| 00:00.42 | ronghail | I added a soulbound check to tekSellJunk. now trying to add a check if usable but I don't know how to get a real tooltip with red in it. the tooltip I am scanning is very short and plain |
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| 00:11.38 | nevcairiel | Hmmm i wonder if i can trick a header into showing the main tanks targets as well |
| 00:11.41 | nevcairiel | that would be awesome |
| 00:11.46 | nevcairiel | but probably impossible =( |
| 00:12.05 | foxlit | do the default raid frames abuse being spawned from secure code? |
| 00:12.26 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 00:12.31 | nevcairiel | i never checked, though |
| 00:13.52 | ZorbaTHut | I wish there were a flawless way to add threat to unit frames |
| 00:16.00 | mikma | rofl!! http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/blackmetal_blowdryer.gif |
| 00:19.02 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/10/texas.school.fight.club/?iref=mpstoryview |
| 00:22.29 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:22.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 00:24.06 | mikma | ok my last one! shirik will like it too! http://kuvaton.com/bshit/backwards.gif |
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| 00:50.03 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: ping |
| 00:50.10 | Shirik | Mikk: ping |
| 00:50.18 | Mikk | pong |
| 00:50.28 | sacarasc | Mikk wins! |
| 00:50.50 | Shirik | Mikk |
| 00:50.52 | Shirik | um |
| 00:50.57 | Shirik | I forgot my password :( |
| 00:51.03 | Shirik | Can you reset it for me |
| 00:51.07 | sacarasc | ~failrik |
| 00:51.08 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
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| 00:53.46 | Mikk | Shirik lern2readpms? =) |
| 00:53.53 | Shirik | I was reading! |
| 00:54.07 | Mikk | Lies, you've missed them before at least once! |
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| 00:55.38 | NightHawkTheSane | .. anyone have an idea how decimate could kill someone? |
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| 00:57.53 | Stanzilla | shadow word: death, battle shout running out..etc |
| 00:58.09 | Stanzilla | commanding shout |
| 00:58.54 | Mikk | sw:death, yes. commanding shout no, that affects max health. |
| 00:59.15 | Mikk | NightHawkTheSane: Or just having aggro from a skelly |
| 00:59.38 | NightHawkTheSane | In this case, there was nothing else aside from decimate |
| 00:59.39 | Mikk | Yes, they're supposed to switch to the boss on decimate, but a swing could still be queued |
| 00:59.43 | Stanzilla | commanding shout once killed my friend's raid |
| 00:59.45 | Stanzilla | all of them |
| 01:00.14 | NightHawkTheSane | but looking at wowhead, it looks like there might be an issue with life tap and decimate at the same time |
| 01:00.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 01:00.35 | ScytheBlade1 | If you life tap before decimate you are retarded anyway |
| 01:01.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: given the way the ability tooltip is worded, and the way it probably ought to work, it shouldn't matter |
| 01:01.00 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:01.09 | Shirik | find out what's wrong with my rsyncd configuration |
| 01:01.17 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: THAT DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANY SMARTER IN DOING IT |
| 01:01.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 01:01.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: give me root SSH |
| 01:01.30 | Shirik | ... |
| 01:01.41 | Mikk | "no" |
| 01:01.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: *shrug* at this point, i'm just trying to figure out why it happened, and how to prevent it in the future |
| 01:02.04 | ScytheBlade1 | oh, lol |
| 01:02.04 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/109998 |
| 01:02.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I should read up |
| 01:02.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: does that contain a root password or key? |
| 01:02.20 | NightHawkTheSane | our undying run got cut kinda short because of that |
| 01:02.23 | Shirik | no? |
| 01:02.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I may have a *very* hard time fixing your crap |
| 01:02.41 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:02.55 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.56 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 01:03.00 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:03.20 | Mikk | that's... wrong |
| 01:03.26 | Mikk | 0.0.0.0/0 = the whole world |
| 01:03.29 | Shirik | oh crap |
| 01:03.30 | Shirik | I went the wrong way |
| 01:03.33 | Shirik | mah bad |
| 01:03.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 01:03.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes you did |
| 01:03.40 | Shirik | but still, it's not asking for a password |
| 01:03.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Er |
| 01:03.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It won't |
| 01:03.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Period |
| 01:03.56 | Shirik | I thought that's what the secrets file is for |
| 01:04.01 | ScytheBlade1 | wait, auth users |
| 01:04.02 | ScytheBlade1 | hmmmm |
| 01:04.07 | Mikk | It depends on how the math is implemented, but I'll assume that what happens is that nothing got allowed |
| 01:04.18 | Shirik | It's allowing everything |
| 01:04.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I would agree with Mikk's statement |
| 01:04.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Try it again with your broken netmask fixed |
| 01:04.35 | Mikk | It's fairly common to take the source IP, apply the netmask, and check againts the network address |
| 01:04.35 | Shirik | same |
| 01:04.56 | Shirik | still allows, but no password requested |
| 01:05.06 | ScytheBlade1 | kill the daemon |
| 01:05.28 | ScytheBlade1 | strace -feopen (daemon start in foreground command goes here) 2>strace_log |
| 01:05.28 | Shirik | done |
| 01:05.44 | ScytheBlade1 | connect and then check out the log |
| 01:06.04 | ScytheBlade1 | make sure it opens the auth files----------- |
| 01:06.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Um |
| 01:06.12 | ScytheBlade1 | 8use chroot = yes |
| 01:06.19 | ScytheBlade1 | 25 secrets file = /etc/rsyncd.secrets |
| 01:06.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure that'll work |
| 01:06.28 | ScytheBlade1 | *? |
| 01:07.08 | Mikk | If there's an etc inside the chroot :> |
| 01:07.14 | Mikk | Or the chroot is / |
| 01:07.14 | Mikk | >.< |
| 01:07.17 | ScytheBlade1 | That is what I'm thinking |
| 01:07.31 | Shirik | li23-154 ~ # cat strace_log |
| 01:07.31 | Shirik | bash: strace: command not found |
| 01:07.32 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:07.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:07.36 | Mikk | Or hmmmm wait umm when does it chroot |
| 01:07.39 | ScytheBlade1 | enjoy building that |
| 01:07.43 | ScytheBlade1 | anywho try without the chroot |
| 01:07.57 | Mikk | Blah I don't remember when it chroots |
| 01:07.58 | Shirik | the chroot was there before I started modifying the conf file |
| 01:08.03 | Shirik | so I just left it there |
| 01:08.05 | ScytheBlade1 | anywho try without the chroot |
| 01:08.06 | Shirik | it said it was required |
| 01:08.09 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:08.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I've run it without a chroot many times |
| 01:08.22 | Shirik | what you talking about "have fun building that" |
| 01:08.27 | Shirik | it took all of 2 seconds :P |
| 01:08.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:08.46 | ScytheBlade1 | that's right, I forgot about the quad core CPUs they have now |
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| 01:09.02 | Mikk | apt-get install strace |
| 01:09.03 | Mikk | amgada |
| 01:09.06 | Shirik | commented out the chroot line |
| 01:09.09 | Shirik | same effect |
| 01:09.19 | Mikk | yeah but now you should have a nice trace :> |
| 01:09.26 | ScytheBlade1 | hopefully |
| 01:09.29 | ScytheBlade1 | run that trace |
| 01:10.18 | Shirik | it doesn't appear to open the secrets file |
| 01:10.42 | ScytheBlade1 | My man page makes no reference to the file at all |
| 01:10.44 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/110000 |
| 01:11.14 | ScytheBlade1 | You have to connect a client |
| 01:11.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Did you do that? |
| 01:11.20 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:11.40 | Shirik | when I connected is "Process 24879 attached" and disconnected at SIGCHLD |
| 01:11.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh there it is, wrong man page |
| 01:13.29 | Mikk | Shirik: Question though... why do you need the rsyncd to begin with if you're the only user? |
| 01:13.33 | Mikk | Just run it over ssh? |
| 01:13.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ an option |
| 01:13.58 | Shirik | because rsync won't copy files if they haven't changed |
| 01:14.06 | ScytheBlade1 | rsync -ar ssh://host/home/whatever/whatever . |
| 01:14.09 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 01:14.16 | Shirik | oh you can do that |
| 01:14.18 | ScytheBlade1 | may be wrong entirely |
| 01:14.19 | Mikk | i meant run rsync over ssh |
| 01:14.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 01:14.30 | Shirik | well that makes things easier |
| 01:14.32 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 01:14.34 | Mikk | then it'll log in via ssh and just run an rsync client at the remote end |
| 01:15.04 | Mikk | remember to stop the daemon :> |
| 01:18.10 | Shirik | rsync -avz -e ssh rsyncd@heresiarchguild.com:/home/rsyncd/backup |
| 01:18.13 | Shirik | that seems to work :) |
| 01:19.24 | ScytheBlade1 | And it uses ssh! |
| 01:24.30 | Shirik | ok it doesn't seem to work |
| 01:25.37 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@wowforge:~$ rsync -avz -e "ssh -i ./rsync.ppk" rsyncd@heresiarchguild.com:/home/rsyncd/backup |
| 01:25.37 | Shirik | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver] |
| 01:25.39 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:27.17 | Shirik | might that have anything to do with the shell for the user being /bin/false ? |
| 01:27.42 | kd3 | ...ya |
| 01:27.46 | kd3 | try setting it to bash? |
| 01:28.47 | Shirik | but I don't want the user to be able to log in |
| 01:28.53 | Shirik | I only want to be able to use it for the service |
| 01:31.00 | Shirik | yeah it's definitely because I set it to /bin/bash :( |
| 01:32.33 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 01:32.36 | kd3 | http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r52/robinsoj_2007/hope2.jpg |
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| 02:19.37 | Shirik | owow |
| 02:20.02 | Shirik | when making a file owned by root mode u+s, gentoo gets all pissy and displays it in background red and white |
| 02:21.22 | Dagmar | Because there are very, very few reasons to ever have a suid root binary. |
| 02:22.09 | Shirik | I didn't say I didn't agree with it |
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| 02:40.58 | Thunder_Child | single SSD with 1.5GB sustained read speeds and 1.4GB sustained write speeds. |
| 02:42.39 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, http://i.gizmodo.com/5168243/nasa-may-name-chunk-of-the-iss-after-stephen-colbert-instead-of-firefly |
| 02:43.17 | Cairenn | bah! |
| 02:43.29 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha that makes sense now |
| 02:43.44 | Thunder_Child | fail ScytheBlade1? |
| 02:44.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I was wondering why he was so high up there on the submitted options |
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| 02:46.25 | Thunder_Child | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/want-free-1-year-digital-subscription-linux-journal |
| 02:52.41 | Wobin | wow |
| 02:52.44 | Wobin | that's a lot of work =P |
| 02:52.57 | Wobin | can you tell us the secret word when you find out, Thunder_Child? |
| 02:53.42 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, cheat and use http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/free-stuff/909471/ |
| 02:55.00 | Wobin | I'm totally going to forget about this tomorrow =P |
| 02:55.18 | Rabbitbunny | is there an IDE yet? that changes are too numerous. |
| 02:55.28 | Rabbitbunny | this addon last worked in 2.4.3 |
| 02:56.15 | Wobin | bah, boo to Colbert |
| 02:56.22 | Wobin | Go Serenty! |
| 02:56.26 | Wobin | +i |
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| 03:02.59 | Wobin | ... the words are english |
| 03:03.11 | Wobin | but they make no sense |
| 03:04.39 | batrick | Shirik: so? |
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| 03:18.53 | Shirik | batrick? |
| 03:19.14 | batrick | did you quit after you found that valgrind problem? |
| 03:19.21 | Shirik | shortly after, yes |
| 03:19.25 | Shirik | wait, which one |
| 03:19.40 | Shirik | the "jump relies on uninitailzied value"? |
| 03:20.29 | batrick | yes that one |
| 03:20.45 | Shirik | Yeah shortly after |
| 03:20.49 | Shirik | I tried to isolate it but got lost |
| 03:21.10 | Shirik | I don't know how your code works |
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| 03:26.37 | Shirik | Shirik's law (Corrolary to Murphy's Law): When resizing disks, the only time it will fail is when you don't make a backup |
| 03:26.48 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 03:26.58 | Thunder_Child | that is covered under murphys |
| 03:27.01 | kmcguire2 | haha |
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| 03:32.00 | Thunder_Child | WE ARE THE KNIGHTS THAT SAY NI! |
| 03:36.40 | batrick | Thunder_Child: do you not know what a corollary is? |
| 03:39.01 | Thunder_Child | batrick, i do i simply find it redundant |
| 03:40.08 | Iriel | I do feel that's more of an example of murphy's law than a corollary |
| 03:40.44 | Shirik | But I want a law :( |
| 03:40.54 | cog|away | umm... anyone in the SF bay area want to adopt an abandoned pit bull puppy? :( |
| 03:41.04 | batrick | corollaries are by definition redundant |
| 03:41.06 | Shirik | "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong" implies that EVERY time you resize a disk, it will fail |
| 03:41.46 | Thunder_Child | thats not the whole thing Shirik |
| 03:41.47 | Iriel | cog|away: no, sorry. |
| 03:42.00 | Thunder_Child | it's followed with "at the worst possible time" |
| 03:42.14 | Thunder_Child | having not backed up IS the worst possible time |
| 03:42.17 | Shirik | ~wiki murphy's law |
| 03:42.52 | Thunder_Child | yes, because everyone knows wikipidia is the leading athourity |
| 03:42.56 | Shirik | it is |
| 03:44.20 | batrick | you can often trust technical articles on wikipedia more than any other ime |
| 03:45.31 | batrick | not to say I would group murphy's law with technical articles |
| 03:45.50 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 03:45.50 | Thunder_Child | Murphy's Law of Thermodynamics |
| 03:45.50 | Thunder_Child | Things get worse under pressure. |
| 03:46.13 | Tekkub | entropy will be the end of us all |
| 03:47.29 | Shirik | entropy is the end of gzip |
| 03:49.32 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 03:49.34 | Shirik | fortune is so win |
| 03:49.38 | Shirik | The Illiterati Programus Canto 1: |
| 03:49.38 | Shirik | A program is a lot like a nose: Sometimes it runs, and |
| 03:49.38 | Shirik | sometimes it blows. |
| 03:51.41 | Thunder_Child | "Any VDU, from the cheapest to the most expensive, will protect a twenty cent fuse by blowing first." |
| 03:53.11 | End | hm |
| 03:53.17 | End | volazj is an interesting |
| 03:53.18 | End | fight |
| 03:53.37 | End | he does two insanities at the same time now |
| 03:53.42 | End | I can't kill two groups :( |
| 03:53.58 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: VDU? |
| 03:54.34 | Thunder_Child | dunno Shirik, it was simply a quote |
| 03:54.39 | Thunder_Child | http://www.murphys-laws.com/murphy/murphy-computer.html |
| 03:54.50 | Iriel | Visual Display Unit? |
| 03:54.58 | Iriel | we're talking the notation of the 70's there |
| 03:56.52 | kd3 | whee, the lag kicked in and the alliance still won |
| 03:56.54 | kd3 | shock |
| 03:57.02 | kd3 | usually the horde exploits a win with 30s to go |
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| 04:32.02 | Shirik | kd3? |
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| 04:37.52 | kd3 | hm? |
| 04:39.07 | Tekkub | Shirik? |
| 04:39.19 | Shirik | I dunno, kd3 said something about exploiting wins |
| 04:40.55 | kd3 | in wintergrasp |
| 04:41.07 | kd3 | just by running to the center before the walls load |
| 05:14.19 | Xinhuan | how would that help exploit wins? |
| 05:15.00 | Shirik | How does that help kd3 |
| 05:15.06 | Shirik | anyone can do that, without even worrying about the walls |
| 05:15.10 | Shirik | We tend to fly in to the center |
| 05:15.35 | Xinhuan | you still can't capture the relic until the gate is down |
| 05:15.41 | Shirik | exactly |
| 05:15.44 | Xinhuan | and vehicles can't fly ;p |
| 05:15.52 | Shirik | right |
| 05:16.01 | Tekkub | nor can pigs |
| 05:16.26 | Xinhuan | tekkub did you see that post that put you together with teddy bears :D |
| 05:16.57 | Tekkub | eh? |
| 05:17.43 | Xinhuan | lol |
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| 05:18.00 | Xinhuan | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=269087#post269087 |
| 05:18.02 | Xinhuan | post #20 |
| 05:18.03 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 05:18.33 | Tekkub | okey then |
| 05:19.21 | Tekkub | I never even touched the thread, I don't use grid |
| 05:19.37 | Xinhuan | i don't use grid either |
| 05:19.47 | Xinhuan | not a healer |
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| 05:22.33 | NightHawkTheSane | .... I like Tekkub, and teddy bears, and bees. |
| 05:22.56 | NightHawkTheSane | bee haters can go fuck themselves, i'll sit here enjoying my honey. |
| 05:23.16 | Tekkub | http://www.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/warcraft_legends_marathon/ |
| 05:23.32 | Tekkub | what is the point of having a "marathon" if you don't update the links for 5 days? |
| 05:24.26 | Tekkub | and the link you do have links back to the same page |
| 05:24.28 | Tekkub | fail |
| 05:26.09 | Xinhuan | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/26/15673097654-taunts-now-have-a-shared-diminish-category.html |
| 05:26.26 | Xinhuan | wouldn't that change make ebonroc undoable "normally" |
| 05:27.30 | NightHawkTheSane | aren;t we at a point where we outgear/level ebronroc to the point of "so what?" |
| 05:27.48 | Xinhuan | yeah, hence i said "normally" |
| 05:27.50 | Xinhuan | i.e at lvl 60 |
| 05:28.07 | NightHawkTheSane | possibly, yes. But i'm certain blizzard is not concerned with that |
| 05:28.39 | NightHawkTheSane | I think the number of people doing level 60 content AT level 60, with level 60 gear.. is statistically insignificant |
| 05:28.41 | Xinhuan | hmmmm |
| 05:28.47 | Xinhuan | it will affect Army of the Dead |
| 05:28.49 | NightHawkTheSane | which reminds me.. Thunder_Child: ping? |
| 05:28.59 | Xinhuan | quite significantly |
| 05:29.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: they could turn off the diminishing returns on AotD ghouls.. |
| 05:29.09 | Xinhuan | since the ghouls in that armoy all taunt on every attack |
| 05:29.13 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, pong |
| 05:29.16 | NightHawkTheSane | they dont taunt on raid bosses anyway. |
| 05:29.49 | Xinhuan | well so far, every boss in Wrath is tauntable |
| 05:29.57 | Xinhuan | every dungeon, every raid |
| 05:30.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: I looked at recount's healing meters for patchwerk from 2 other people in today's naxx run. One persons was -exactly- the same as mine, another person's was very slightly off on two people (the two primary healers), and only by <5k healing. |
| 05:30.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Which, i might write off as lag/latency affecting which heals are parsed as part of that combat or not. |
| 05:31.30 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd have checked on other fights, but we only did patch, grobbulus, and gluth before calling it. |
| 05:32.02 | Thunder_Child | it still confuses me however, if every client is getting the same info there should be no difference regardless of any other factor |
| 05:32.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: Yes, but I recall reading/hearing somewhere that AotD ghouls were set to NOT taunt raid bosses flagged mobs. I could be wrong on this, though. *shrug* |
| 05:32.58 | Xinhuan | unsure heh |
| 05:34.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: well, like i said, the difference in healing I saw could be lag causing the order of CLEU events to be slightly different, thus recount including heals in the "Patchwerk" encounter differently. I didn't check damage, I probably should have, but I was trying to scarf down dinner at the same time. |
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| 05:34.35 | Thunder_Child | order shouldnt change total though |
| 05:35.37 | NightHawkTheSane | well, if one person sees.. Heal1, -Combat, Heal2, recount would only count Heal1 as part of that combat. if someone else sees Heal1, Heal2, -Combat, theirs would include Heal2 |
| 05:35.56 | NightHawkTheSane | This is pure speculation on my part, though. |
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| 05:46.26 | NightHawkTheSane | oh... my god.. Saturday Morning Watchmen.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w |
| 05:47.32 | ZorbaTHut | I don't suppose anyone knows a handy function to get a binary representation of a floating-point value out? |
| 05:49.35 | Tekkub | I think I have to puke now |
| 05:49.53 | Tekkub | so they guy that did 300 did Watchmen didn't he? |
| 05:51.42 | NightHawkTheSane | they had the same director, yes |
| 05:51.54 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon! http://tinyurl.com/cg6rb4 | "Geek used to be a 4-letter word; now it's a 6-figure one." - Chris Pirillo |
| 05:51.55 | Tekkub | I think that's why I didn't like it |
| 05:51.56 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0811583/ |
| 05:52.15 | Tekkub | could have told the story just fine without (literally) drenching people in blood |
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| 06:15.23 | Codayus | Tekkub: Indeed. |
| 06:16.01 | Tekkub | I liked the story (and no I've not read the comic)... but I didn't like the movie |
| 06:16.16 | Codayus | Heh |
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| 07:18.29 | pnorman | Is it just me, or is anyone else having problems connecting to curse/curseforge? |
| 07:20.23 | ccox | having problems with several sites right now |
| 07:21.06 | ccox | curse is not responding |
| 07:21.35 | pnorman | curse is the only one for me |
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| 07:27.25 | Cairenn | I can get to Curse/CF just fine |
| 07:30.18 | pnorman | up now |
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| 07:40.04 | smoke_ | anyone using oUF GCD? |
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| 07:44.46 | Shirik | What's the current gold cap? |
| 07:45.02 | End | 2^31 / 10000 |
| 07:45.56 | Shirik | really? |
| 07:46.05 | End | unless they fixed it |
| 07:46.16 | End | fixed/changed/whatever |
| 07:47.12 | End | oh, apparently it gives a friendly error though if you try to excede it |
| 07:48.16 | Shirik | what's that? |
| 07:48.21 | Shirik | "buy some shit yo" |
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| 07:48.36 | End | "At Gold Limit" or something like that |
| 07:48.43 | End | I thought it'd fail silently |
| 07:48.45 | End | but I guess not |
| 07:48.57 | Shirik | I would make an error like |
| 07:48.58 | End | (although it'd probably fail horrifically rather than silently) |
| 07:49.10 | Shirik | "Attempting to loot more gold would cost you more in taxes than you would gain." |
| 07:49.17 | End | lol |
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| 08:24.57 | zenzio | Shirik: you know rich people don't pay taxes anyway |
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| 08:30.20 | Jamash | silly blizzard, making me wait till 77 to use my mount |
| 08:31.27 | krka | this is pissing me off, why are old and redundant business models being kept alive artificially by laws that forbid the competition? http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/12/0238252 |
| 08:31.45 | Tekkub | because that's how business *really* works |
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| 08:32.21 | krka | but why do the politicians allow their broken lobbying? |
| 08:32.37 | Tekkub | money |
| 08:32.53 | Tekkub | government isn't about doing what's right |
| 08:33.06 | Tekkub | it's about power :P |
| 08:35.03 | Industrial | yeah and independant companies certainly always do it right... |
| 08:35.13 | Industrial | its about squeezing out every penny you have. |
| 08:37.32 | Jamash | government and business are both only as good as they're forced to be |
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| 08:38.46 | Shirik | Is there a way, in bash, I can spawn like 200 copies of a process? |
| 08:38.46 | Jamash | for loop of some kind...? |
| 08:38.54 | End | oops, forgot a square bracket in my regecx |
| 08:38.54 | End | regex* |
| 08:39.06 | End | er, forgot to escape a square bracket that is |
| 08:39.13 | Shirik | but if I do a for loop, won't it wait for completion? |
| 08:39.16 | Shirik | Oh, I can do & |
| 08:39.17 | Shirik | duh |
| 08:40.32 | Jamash | for i in `seq 1 200`; do something & done |
| 08:40.37 | krka | shirik :(){ :|:& };: |
| 08:40.42 | Shirik | no |
| 08:40.43 | Shirik | nice try though |
| 08:40.45 | Jamash | oh you card |
| 08:40.50 | Jamash | I've seen that one before |
| 08:40.52 | Shirik | so have I |
| 08:41.07 | Shirik | I also have ulimit set so that it won't cause a severe problem if it were done |
| 08:41.16 | Jamash | I once spawned a rogue process that changed PID every tick |
| 08:41.27 | Jamash | couldn't figure out how to kill it except via killall |
| 08:41.29 | End | hm, I never actually looked closely at that "script" before |
| 08:41.44 | End | oddly, it makes sense |
| 08:43.24 | Jamash | My dad always liked the APL expression "execute X <- execute X" or something like that |
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| 08:49.05 | Shirik | ns ghost Shiibot |
| 08:49.17 | End | fail? |
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| 08:50.16 | Fisker- | ns ghost Shirik |
| 08:50.20 | Fisker- | baww :( |
| 08:50.28 | End | ~lart Fisker- |
| 08:50.28 | purl | squeezes Fisker- till Fisker- turns blue like papa smurf |
| 08:50.37 | Fisker- | Why so srs? |
| 08:55.41 | Kalroth | poor Fisker :( |
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| 09:00.45 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: PONG |
| 09:00.50 | Shirik | nm Mikk got it |
| 09:00.55 | jnwhiteh | ok |
| 09:01.00 | jnwhiteh | what was up? |
| 09:01.14 | Shirik | I forgot my password |
| 09:02.05 | Kalroth | Shirik is getting old |
| 09:02.24 | jnwhiteh | considering its the password to his private key, yeah =) |
| 09:02.26 | jnwhiteh | npnp |
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| 09:24.57 | Thunder_Child | wth does levitat and feather fall impart forward velocity |
| 09:25.34 | Thunder_Child | +e |
| 09:26.01 | nevcairiel | run speed? i don't think so |
| 09:26.30 | Thunder_Child | if i am in mid air not moving and i fall and use w/e it moves me forward |
| 09:26.40 | nevcairiel | weird |
| 09:26.43 | nevcairiel | i never noticed that |
| 09:27.07 | nevcairiel | if you jump off a cliff with a feather you do move forward, but i always just figured that was because i did have some velocity =P |
| 09:27.41 | Thunder_Child | right, and granted from stop it isnt much but there is a little bit |
| 09:35.04 | Shirik | Do black roses really exist? |
| 09:35.09 | zenzio | seems like WotLK is posing some interesting challenges in China |
| 09:36.01 | nevcairiel | why is that? |
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| 09:36.29 | zenzio | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/03/chinese-government-blocking-wrath-of-the-lich-king.ars |
| 09:36.41 | zenzio | "It turns out that the submitted version of the game also doesn't have the first hero class for Death Knight characters." |
| 09:37.22 | End | have you seen the "skeletons" for WoW in china? |
| 09:37.41 | nevcairiel | havent skeletons been in wow for ever? |
| 09:37.47 | krka | not in china |
| 09:37.49 | End | not in china |
| 09:37.53 | End | they're...all...fleshy |
| 09:38.11 | nevcairiel | ghouls eh |
| 09:38.12 | Jamash | so, skeletons are anticommunist? |
| 09:38.32 | End | I don't remember what the skeletons actually look like, but even the forsaken joints are filled in |
| 09:38.35 | End | to hide the bones |
| 09:38.35 | nevcairiel | I can really see why blizzard didnt care to publish it themself |
| 09:38.57 | nevcairiel | Isnt it even free, as in no monthly payment in china? |
| 09:39.09 | Jamash | no, I think they pay by the hour |
| 09:39.37 | End | yeah ^ |
| 09:39.52 | End | and you can only play for so long |
| 09:40.01 | End | before it forces you to take a break |
| 09:40.03 | nevcairiel | ya i've seen the playtime shit |
| 09:40.07 | End | yup |
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| 09:40.32 | nevcairiel | must be hell while leveling |
| 09:41.00 | Jamash | hey, the wowchina front page offers a direct torrent link |
| 09:41.25 | End | hm |
| 09:41.31 | End | I see they got patch 3.0 at least |
| 09:41.40 | Jamash | and a link to bitcomet |
| 09:44.14 | Jamash | man automatic translations are awesome |
| 09:44.53 | Jamash | "in the past, many leaders are immune to mockery and ridicule" <-- bosses are immune to taunt |
| 09:47.09 | End | haha |
| 09:48.46 | Jamash | the official wow china page seems to link directly to a couple of addon installer programs |
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| 09:56.02 | foxlit | " In the Chinese login screen the frost wyrm is just missing." |
| 09:56.29 | End | hm |
| 09:56.37 | Shirik | maybe is intentional? |
| 09:56.39 | foxlit | hurray for that. |
| 09:56.59 | End | I'm pretty sure the forst wyrm will make a reappearance, probably in 3.3 :P |
| 09:57.05 | End | but then again |
| 09:57.09 | End | saph is the same thing |
| 09:57.30 | foxlit | The story goes that anything that is a skeleton doesn't appear in the chinese version. |
| 09:57.37 | nevcairiel | i bet saph in china is just a good ol' blue dragon |
| 09:57.41 | End | yeah, that's what I've heard |
| 09:57.46 | End | nevcairiel: ah, you're probably right |
| 09:57.58 | nevcairiel | was sapphiron even blue? |
| 09:58.01 | End | yes |
| 09:58.03 | nevcairiel | the color just seemed to fit the room |
| 09:58.06 | End | he drops the maly key |
| 09:58.46 | End | (pre-wotlk, I'm not sure if we had any indication he was blue, but he's definitely blue now...) |
| 09:59.10 | foxlit | The maly key: weirdest thing ever |
| 09:59.15 | End | (besides living in a blueish room) |
| 09:59.31 | foxlit | We need a key to open something that would annoy a dragon into eating us. Great. Can't we just shoot the dragon instead? |
| 09:59.31 | nevcairiel | http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/4/4f/Sapphiron.jpg |
| 09:59.36 | nevcairiel | apparently thats sapphiron |
| 09:59.58 | End | oooooh yeahhh |
| 10:00.00 | End | I remember |
| 10:00.17 | Arrowmaster | wc3 or something? |
| 10:00.20 | End | yeah, you do get to control him with arthas for a map or two |
| 10:00.27 | End | yeah, tft I think? |
| 10:00.41 | Arrowmaster | have it, never really played it |
| 10:00.54 | End | I played through most of the levels |
| 10:00.57 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Sapphiron |
| 10:01.07 | nevcairiel | the arthas encounter quite is quite funny, imho =P |
| 10:01.09 | End | and by played I mean |
| 10:01.16 | End | I cheated my way through most of the levels |
| 10:01.22 | nevcairiel | s/quite// |
| 10:01.38 | Thunder_Child | "flying crapet" <-- dyslexia ftw |
| 10:01.45 | Arrowmaster | hell i still need to finish starcraft and the expansion before sc2 comes out |
| 10:01.52 | End | hm, wowwiki is being dumb towards me |
| 10:02.04 | Arrowmaster | im somewhere near the end of the protoss campaign |
| 10:03.05 | Arrowmaster | one of those damn bring a probe to this spot then defend it for 5 minutes levels |
| 10:03.08 | Arrowmaster | or something |
| 10:03.10 | Thunder_Child | really Arrowmaster.....it's been out for a while |
| 10:03.16 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know |
| 10:03.39 | Thunder_Child | keep the probe from the zerg? |
| 10:03.44 | Thunder_Child | or vise versa |
| 10:03.52 | Thunder_Child | there were 2 that were similar |
| 10:03.52 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 10:03.53 | Thunder_Child | i think |
| 10:04.01 | Thunder_Child | like i said...it's been a while |
| 10:04.27 | Arrowmaster | no it was a map to take a probe to the bottom center of the map either with something or to get something and then defend it for like 5 minutes |
| 10:04.48 | Thunder_Child | yes, thats descriptive |
| 10:05.20 | Arrowmaster | and i suck at rts games when resources are limited so i always ran out of units since the AI used up all the rest of the resources on the map |
| 10:06.01 | Thunder_Child | what rts has unlimited resources? |
| 10:06.22 | Arrowmaster | probably none but that map didnt have many at the starting point |
| 10:09.18 | Thunder_Child | "a guy called us and complained because his dsl didn't work, come to find out he had win98 and actually took a knife and trimmed the rj45 connection to fit into the rj11 jack" wait...what? jack != OS |
| 10:09.52 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:10.59 | Jamash | that's odd |
| 10:12.41 | krka | O_o |
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| 10:14.28 | Thunder_Child | "like #bearcave. you wouldn't expect it to be a gay channel. YOU WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE A CHANNEL ABOUT BEARS WOULDN'T YOU" |
| 10:16.03 | Shirik | funny thing |
| 10:16.08 | Shirik | RJ45 jack is not what you think it is |
| 10:17.03 | Thunder_Child | it's exactly what i think it is |
| 10:20.51 | Kalroth | You helped your uncle RJ45 Jack off a horse? |
| 10:21.05 | End | it was a big horse |
| 10:21.07 | End | he needed help |
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| 10:21.49 | nevcairiel | shirik is right though, in "slang" you say RJ45 which really is a RJ48 or 49, but anyone will know what you mean, so w/e |
| 10:21.59 | Shirik | Problem is |
| 10:22.08 | Shirik | if you really DO want an RJ45 jack |
| 10:22.11 | Shirik | it's almost impossible to find |
| 10:22.16 | Shirik | and when you order one you'll probably get the wrong thing |
| 10:22.37 | Shirik | fortunately |
| 10:22.40 | Shirik | nobody needs them :P |
| 10:23.08 | Kalroth | So RJ45 is usually not RJ45, but people still ask for RJ45 even when they know it isn't RJ45? |
| 10:23.28 | foxlit | A jack by any other name... |
| 10:23.32 | nevcairiel | most people don't even know it |
| 10:24.02 | Shirik | I call it ethernet jack :P |
| 10:24.07 | nevcairiel | For them, RJ45 is what you use on ISDN and Ethernet |
| 10:24.12 | Shirik | Unambiguous and everyone knows what I mean |
| 10:24.13 | End | wikipedia doesn't even given any useful information about the "real" RJ45 |
| 10:24.21 | Shirik | that's because nobody uses it ^_^ |
| 10:24.32 | End | but I'm curious! |
| 10:25.14 | Kalroth | Aha, so the plug is the same with RJ45/47/etc, it's simply the wiring standard |
| 10:25.42 | Kalroth | "The 8-pin connectors are commonly (incorrectly) refered to as "RJ-45" connectors." |
| 10:25.45 | End | yeah, it's the 8P2c or whatever |
| 10:25.50 | nevcairiel | 45 has usually one data line and a resistor |
| 10:26.05 | nevcairiel | while the ethernet one has 4 data lines |
| 10:26.13 | Kalroth | or 8! |
| 10:26.52 | Shirik | 4 :P |
| 10:27.02 | Shirik | TX+, TX-, RX+, RX- |
| 10:27.10 | nevcairiel | its 4 pairs |
| 10:27.20 | nevcairiel | 8 "cables", 4 data lines |
| 10:28.04 | End | oops, it's 8P8C |
| 10:28.21 | nevcairiel | I could explain how it works in german, why you need a pair, but i fail at english technical terms right now =P |
| 10:28.48 | zenzio | duh, you want a pair so you still have one if you lose one of them! |
| 10:29.02 | Shirik | It's a pair to deal with interference |
| 10:29.08 | Shirik | A twisted pair eliminates crosstalk |
| 10:29.35 | Shirik | Crosstalk is the phenomenon that occurs where when you have a current across a long straight wire, it creates an electrical field, which induces current in a parallel wire |
| 10:30.06 | End | so, you make it not straight? |
| 10:30.09 | nevcairiel | wonder if my gooling skills are good enough |
| 10:30.27 | Shirik | You twist it with an equal and opposite signal, End |
| 10:30.30 | nevcairiel | You measure differential on the lines, not actual currents, right? |
| 10:30.37 | End | ah |
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| 10:30.44 | Shirik | that's the easiest thing to do, nevcairiel |
| 10:30.58 | Shirik | there's a lot of ways you can do it |
| 10:31.15 | nevcairiel | Thats what ethernet does, afaik |
| 10:31.48 | Shirik | I haven't looked at the ethernet standard enough to know |
| 10:31.54 | Shirik | I know the ethernet protocol, not its implementation |
| 10:32.19 | Shirik | I only know crosstalk theory because I had to deal with it when designing PCBs for Crayola |
| 10:32.22 | nevcairiel | aren't you supposed to be a low-level guy? |
| 10:32.25 | Shirik | you can't put traces too close to each other for the same reason |
| 10:32.32 | Shirik | Yes but I haven't had a need to look it up, nevcairiel :P |
| 10:32.44 | Shirik | ethernet protocol is still kinda low level P |
| 10:32.46 | Shirik | :P |
| 10:33.59 | Shirik | really we just need to switch over to optics |
| 10:34.04 | nevcairiel | even i had to learn that, and i'm on software engineering |
| 10:34.08 | Shirik | The audio industry has had optical cables FOREVER |
| 10:34.18 | Shirik | And they don't even need it |
| 10:34.23 | Shirik | Computer industry needs it a lot more |
| 10:35.07 | Shirik | really nevcairiel? Our software engineers never take a telecomms class |
| 10:35.26 | nevcairiel | well it only scratched the basics |
| 10:35.32 | nevcairiel | so we know wtf is going on |
| 10:35.38 | nevcairiel | not like i can design a system like that now |
| 10:35.59 | Shirik | Do you know the reasons for restrictions on the length of an ethernet cable, for example? |
| 10:36.02 | Shirik | Just curious how deep you went |
| 10:37.18 | nevcairiel | Thats a protocol issue, iirc. singal runtime and all |
| 10:38.05 | Thunder_Child | i went over that in class |
| 10:38.14 | Shirik | It's linked to the reason why there's also a minimum frame length for ethernet |
| 10:38.24 | nevcairiel | stupid old collision detection protocols before we had switches |
| 10:38.25 | Shirik | And why you ahve to add padding bytes to make it larger if necessary |
| 10:38.28 | Shirik | yes |
| 10:38.38 | Shirik | It's because if it's too long, you can't reliably detect a collision |
| 10:38.54 | Shirik | (too long compared to the minimum message size) |
| 10:39.33 | nevcairiel | Yeah we covered that part in detail, i forgot most details already though |
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| 10:39.33 | Shirik | :P |
| 10:39.33 | Shirik | I remember a lot of this because I've been basing a lot of our robotics protocols off ethernet |
| 10:39.36 | Shirik | because it's particularly fault tolerant |
| 10:39.37 | nevcairiel | Most people think its a cable and interference issue though |
| 10:39.54 | nevcairiel | the length limit |
| 10:39.58 | Shirik | yeah it's not :P |
| 10:40.33 | krka | i have a vague memory of it being related to propagation times |
| 10:40.37 | Shirik | yes |
| 10:40.55 | krka | i took a networking course ages ago |
| 10:41.25 | Shirik | Anyway, the serial communications protocols we use in our robotics protocols steal things from ethernet like the preamble, CRC, and a few things from TCP like sequence numbers |
| 10:41.32 | krka | btw, is latency synonym to propagation time or ping |
| 10:41.41 | Shirik | oh and SOF delimiter from ethernet |
| 10:42.03 | Shirik | krka, latency can be used synonomously with ping |
| 10:42.05 | nevcairiel | latency is a round-trip, so ping, imho |
| 10:42.11 | Shirik | I would disagree with it being propagation time |
| 10:42.19 | krka | coll, thanks |
| 10:42.26 | krka | any other words that can be used instead of propatation time? |
| 10:42.30 | Shirik | I consider propagation time to be more electrical-related, while ping/latency would also include the software response time as well |
| 10:42.33 | krka | preferably shorter |
| 10:42.49 | Shirik | not really :) |
| 10:43.29 | krka | hmm, i guess the correct term is propagation delay |
| 10:43.35 | Shirik | yes |
| 10:44.29 | Shirik | ok time for shower |
| 10:45.04 | Thunder_Child | fail Shirik|AFK |
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| 10:52.57 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: I have to agree with you |
| 10:54.04 | Shirik|AFK | wut I fail for :( |
| 10:56.49 | Shirik | I DEMAND YOU TELL ME WHY I FAIL |
| 10:57.08 | Shirik | Otherwise, your fail judgement is overruled |
| 10:57.38 | Torhal | Shirik: You fail because you haven't convinced ckknight to finish the WoWI updater for you. |
| 10:57.43 | Torhal | ...or something. |
| 10:57.54 | Shirik | and I would do that.... why? |
| 10:58.19 | Shirik | have you ever read the mythical man month? |
| 10:58.21 | Torhal | No fuckin' clue. But I'm still waking up and it sounded like something the QQers would say |
| 10:58.36 | Torhal | No, but I know the premise :) |
| 10:58.53 | Shirik | Argument #1: Assigning more programmers to a project running behind schedule will make it even later |
| 10:59.47 | zenzio | Mythical Man Month is hell to read if you don't intend to be a project manager type |
| 11:00.03 | Shirik | https://credentials.anl.gov |
| 11:00.09 | Torhal | ZOMG, moar lines of code makes it the bettar! |
| 11:00.13 | Shirik | and this is not my browser |
| 11:00.32 | Torhal | How the HELL do I always type "the" when intentionally typing "teh" in a conversation. |
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| 11:02.03 | Shirik | because you're not a moron like the rest of the world |
| 11:02.23 | Lukian | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.30 | Lukian | (and other iSpell, aSpell etc) |
| 11:02.45 | Lukian | haha |
| 11:03.11 | Lukian | and yes, it's making you look better, so let it ;) |
| 11:03.20 | Torhal | Lukian: Ah, thankye |
| 11:03.47 | Torhal | Just freaked me out because I intentionally typed it wrong |
| 11:04.05 | Lukian | haha yeah I know |
| 11:04.12 | Lukian | It got me a couple times too |
| 11:04.20 | Lukian | and then I just lived with it :) |
| 11:05.03 | Shirik | wow |
| 11:05.14 | Shirik | emerge --deep --update world: Nothing to update |
| 11:07.05 | Shirik | I wonder if krispy kreme has hot donuts now |
| 11:07.14 | Shirik | They always do at 9 but maybe they also got a batch coming out at 7 |
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| 11:23.50 | Wobin | heheh http://marnanel.livejournal.com/1231150.html |
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| 11:42.40 | Industrial | Wobin, I dont get it :| |
| 11:42.50 | Wobin | you need to be more of a music geek |
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| 11:59.21 | Shirik | hop up jump in |
| 11:59.29 | Shirik | Krispy Kreme had hot donuts ^_^ |
| 11:59.33 | Shirik | soooo good when they're fresh |
| 12:00.49 | TC-Away | 03:44.48Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Shirik|AFK changed nick to Guest94147 |
| 12:00.49 | TC-Away | 03:44.57Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Shirik changed nick to Shirik|AFK |
| 12:00.53 | TC-Away | is why you fail |
| 12:01.02 | Shirik | why? |
| 12:01.07 | Shirik | I released Shirik|AFK so I can use it |
| 12:01.24 | Thunder_Child | this goes back to the whole you fail thing |
| 12:01.34 | Thunder_Child | you have a Shirik|shower but you still dont use it |
| 12:01.41 | Thunder_Child | instead you do fail things |
| 12:01.54 | Thunder_Child | it's quite valid |
| 12:02.31 | Thunder_Child | you could dump that one and get another afk message |
| 12:02.43 | Shirik | I could |
| 12:02.49 | Shirik | but I didn't! |
| 12:02.52 | Thunder_Child | since you never seem to use it |
| 12:03.08 | Thunder_Child | i know you didnt, and that makes the whole fail thing perfectly valid |
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| 12:04.15 | Thunder_Child | speaking of fail "[05:03] [SERVER] Restart in 13:00" |
| 12:04.27 | Shirik | fail |
| 12:04.42 | nevcairiel | its 5, what do you expect |
| 12:05.01 | nevcairiel | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/23/15661688309-offpeak-rolling-restarts-for-all-realms.html |
| 12:05.03 | nevcairiel | there btw ^ |
| 12:05.04 | Thunder_Child | but it's thursday |
| 12:07.06 | Wobin | =( |
| 12:07.59 | Wobin | oof |
| 12:09.00 | Wobin | A Shirik on a sugar high... scary =) |
| 12:09.30 | Shirik | GM representative coming today |
| 12:09.36 | Shirik | I need to make sure everything goes perfectly |
| 12:10.22 | Wobin | GM? |
| 12:10.29 | Shirik | General Motors |
| 12:10.32 | Thunder_Child | general motors |
| 12:10.32 | Shirik | sorry |
| 12:10.34 | Shirik | bad channel to say GM |
| 12:10.43 | Thunder_Child | i understood it |
| 12:10.46 | nevcairiel | Arent they like, out of money these days? |
| 12:10.50 | foxlit | ^ |
| 12:10.55 | Shirik | Well, they're still giving us millions |
| 12:10.55 | Shirik | so |
| 12:11.00 | Thunder_Child | from your referal to working with them on improving gas effiency |
| 12:11.59 | Shirik | o_o |
| 12:12.06 | Shirik | I'm looking at our test computer |
| 12:12.16 | Shirik | and on it is a unsaved document |
| 12:12.41 | Shirik | all it says is "Longitude Offset: 0.5258693532816905180479559446734" |
| 12:12.58 | Shirik | I'm trying to debate (1) if that precision is really necessary, and (2) if that precision is even possible |
| 12:13.03 | krka | impressive precision |
| 12:13.22 | Shirik | We're only doing 0.1mi^2 grid |
| 12:13.38 | Shirik | I'm fairly certain that amount of longitude goes down to like millimeters or something |
| 12:15.45 | Shirik | ok, I need music |
| 12:15.47 | Shirik | any recommendations? |
| 12:17.01 | Thunder_Child | fast or slow? |
| 12:17.12 | Shirik | not really sure :) |
| 12:17.23 | Thunder_Child | not helpfull.... |
| 12:17.37 | Shirik | right now I'm listening to something that's both slow and fast |
| 12:18.23 | Thunder_Child | ok...words or no? |
| 12:18.40 | Shirik | Don't really matter. I generally listen to Japanese music, so while it has words, I don't really pay attention to them |
| 12:18.47 | Shirik | I rarely listen to words, but it doesn't bother me if they're there |
| 12:19.00 | Thunder_Child | Hans Zimmer? |
| 12:19.12 | Aelobin | anyone here know DKs inside-out? |
| 12:19.49 | Shirik | Aelobin: I make them turn inside out |
| 12:19.55 | Shirik | does that count? |
| 12:19.58 | Aelobin | xD |
| 12:20.06 | Wobin | I play one on TV |
| 12:20.13 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: This is pretty good :) |
| 12:22.06 | Wobin | Aelobin: what do you need to know? |
| 12:22.59 | Thunder_Child | hmm....this doesnt seem right http://code.google.com/p/simulationcraft/wiki/SampleOutputPTR |
| 12:23.07 | Aelobin | Wobin: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8374747424&postId=83739337964&sid=1#0 :P |
| 12:23.08 | Thunder_Child | 8.3K dps for rogues? |
| 12:23.27 | Wobin | no idea on pvp details, I'm afraid =) |
| 12:23.39 | Aelobin | ah right ok xD i shoulda said :P |
| 12:24.02 | nevcairiel | who says that tool is right TC? ;) |
| 12:24.27 | Thunder_Child | the people that wrote it nevcairiel |
| 12:24.29 | Wobin | ... 8k rupture? |
| 12:24.38 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: and you trust some random person? :D |
| 12:25.02 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, yes....and so do you all the time |
| 12:25.05 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.07 | Wobin | It's the INTERNET |
| 12:25.11 | Wobin | It -must- be true! |
| 12:25.26 | Wobin | duh! |
| 12:25.32 | nevcairiel | I don't trust numbers thrown in front of me by some tool |
| 12:25.42 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: 33 |
| 12:25.44 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: 115 |
| 12:25.45 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: 2 |
| 12:25.54 | nevcairiel | I know that you're a tool |
| 12:25.55 | nuoHep | sadly, the numbers are actually quite right |
| 12:26.06 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: Hah! I trashed myself before you did. |
| 12:26.24 | nevcairiel | i typoed in the line and corrected it <.< |
| 12:27.55 | nuoHep | they maybe even lower then ingame ones will be as the prio queues are not polished and for HaT specs the sim is rather conservative on cp procs from hat |
| 12:28.46 | nevcairiel | HaT should be nerfed to the ground, its silly to be the best dps spec |
| 12:28.58 | nuoHep | agree |
| 12:29.56 | nevcairiel | is the 1s cooldown even working now? |
| 12:30.00 | nevcairiel | Last i heard it was broken |
| 12:31.50 | nuoHep | the 1s cooldown is placed on a member of your party. not on yourself. and thats working as intended |
| 12:32.16 | nevcairiel | Fixing the cooldown would probably nerf it enough aleady |
| 12:32.19 | nevcairiel | *already |
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| 12:42.57 | Shirik | blah |
| 12:43.02 | Shirik | svn:externals is a flawed design |
| 12:43.14 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 12:43.15 | Shirik | or else there needs to be svn:internals or something |
| 12:43.23 | nevcairiel | what for? |
| 12:43.31 | Shirik | We have several different teams |
| 12:43.35 | Shirik | But the teams depend on each other |
| 12:43.49 | Shirik | so to help out, we set up svn:externals to bring changes across teams |
| 12:44.14 | nevcairiel | You should use git and setup proper branches/clones for pulling :) |
| 12:44.16 | Shirik | Unfortunately, going back in revisions (to try to go back to one of our tagged working versions) doesn't bring the externals version bacfk |
| 12:44.17 | Shirik | back* |
| 12:45.41 | Shirik | fortunately, you can svn switch an external |
| 12:45.47 | Shirik | Which.... seems equally broken |
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| 12:55.00 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, good morning! |
| 12:55.08 | Lopeppeppy | You've had odd hours this week, I've barely seen you. |
| 12:56.05 | Shirik | and I'm still awake! |
| 12:56.15 | Lopeppeppy | Still.. ? |
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| 13:07.18 | Wobin | The new spirit beast looks pretty cool |
| 13:08.10 | Wobin | I'll totally dual spec BM to nab him |
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| 13:17.42 | Shirik | whee |
| 13:17.49 | Shirik | got code to work for demonstration today |
| 13:17.53 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah! |
| 13:18.18 | Shirik | GrowlyBearShirik is an understatement |
| 13:25.39 | GrowlyBearShirik | yey |
| 13:25.48 | GrowlyBearShirik | now to fix the heading problem |
| 13:26.02 | Adys | are those numbers anything special or ring a bell? 86400, 259200, 432000, 604800 |
| 13:26.07 | GrowlyBearShirik | yes |
| 13:26.16 | GrowlyBearShirik | 3 of those numbers seem very familiar |
| 13:26.20 | GrowlyBearShirik | the first third and fourth |
| 13:26.35 | GrowlyBearShirik | lua> math.log(86400) / math.log(2) |
| 13:26.35 | lua_bot | GrowlyBearShirik: 16.398743691938 |
| 13:26.37 | GrowlyBearShirik | hm |
| 13:26.47 | GrowlyBearShirik | lua> math.log(86400) / math.log(3) |
| 13:26.47 | lua_bot | GrowlyBearShirik: 10.346455316436 |
| 13:27.45 | GrowlyBearShirik | I'm not sure why :( |
| 13:27.49 | GrowlyBearShirik | But they look very familiar |
| 13:27.54 | Adys | yeah to me too |
| 13:28.08 | GrowlyBearShirik | especially 86400 |
| 13:28.28 | GrowlyBearShirik | lua> 86400 / 60 |
| 13:28.28 | lua_bot | GrowlyBearShirik: 1440 |
| 13:28.33 | GrowlyBearShirik | lua> 1440 / 60 |
| 13:28.33 | lua_bot | GrowlyBearShirik: 24 |
| 13:28.38 | GrowlyBearShirik | Number of seconds in a day |
| 13:28.44 | Adys | ohh nice one |
| 13:28.55 | Adys | duration fields |
| 13:29.03 | Adys | they're reset times |
| 13:29.20 | GrowlyBearShirik | lua> 86400 * 7 |
| 13:29.21 | lua_bot | GrowlyBearShirik: 604800 |
| 13:29.25 | GrowlyBearShirik | there's your weekly reset :) |
| 13:30.18 | Adys | thanks |
| 13:30.28 | GrowlyBearShirik | np |
| 13:34.24 | Adys | altho theres a problem, naxx would reset daily >< |
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| 13:46.53 | GrowlyBearShirik | My heading is being calculated improperly |
| 13:47.10 | GrowlyBearShirik | who wants to look at the formula |
| 13:47.10 | GrowlyBearShirik | Good luck: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/a8553058c0e236b909868b762b518f15.gif |
| 13:47.55 | GrowlyBearShirik | sorry at the end it got cut off, that's a ,2*pi) |
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| 13:49.41 | Lopeppeppy | Looks like a quilt I screwed up once. |
| 13:49.48 | GrowlyBearShirik | lol |
| 13:49.55 | zenzelezz | I wonder what's special about grape fruit juice to make it incompatible with the pollen-allergy medicine |
| 13:50.18 | Lopeppeppy | Acidity dissolves the medicine too fast? That's an off the cuff guess. |
| 13:50.45 | zenzelezz | is grape fruit juice paritcularly acidic? I don't know these things myself |
| 13:51.28 | alestane | Rather, yes, like most citrus. |
| 13:51.47 | Fisker- | do not want GrowlyBearShirik |
| 13:51.54 | zenzelezz | hm... how acidic is it compared to Cola? |
| 13:52.47 | zenzelezz | hm, "must be taken with plenty (1.5 dl) of water" |
| 13:52.52 | Lopeppeppy | Cola is corrosive, not sure about "acidic". |
| 13:53.01 | Lopeppeppy | All meds prefer you to take them with just plain water. |
| 13:53.26 | Lopeppeppy | Well, except my iron pills, that are best taken with OJ. |
| 13:53.39 | krka | not milk then :P |
| 13:53.43 | |Jelly| | rawr @ low dps :-\ |
| 13:53.43 | zenzelezz | just having a sort of odd feeling in my throat lately which I'm wondering if could be related to the pills, or just a coincidence |
| 13:53.44 | ecstasia | o noes i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle |
| 13:54.00 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Corrosive and acidic are the same thing. |
| 13:54.05 | krka | cola should be acidic, since it probably contains acids |
| 13:54.47 | Lopeppeppy | If you say so, alestane. I'm being a fair witness, until I see it I dunno. |
| 13:55.14 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, a lot of colds over here this year are settling into sore throats, maybe you have some American germs visiting you. |
| 13:55.24 | Lopeppeppy | But if you're worried, ask your doctor. |
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| 13:55.31 | GrowlyBearShirik | ah found it |
| 13:55.38 | GrowlyBearShirik | It calculated in radians instead of degrees |
| 13:55.39 | alestane | Or more accurately, corrosiveness is the physical property of substances with the chemical property of acidity. |
| 13:55.54 | krka | ascorbic acid and phosphoric acid, afaik |
| 13:55.59 | [L4E]Flowy | is there function that return nth key in table? |
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| 13:56.25 | krka | maybe you have some German amers visiting you! |
| 13:56.29 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: I expected it to be gone by today, which it clearly is not, so I'm thinking I'll visit the doctor tomorrow if it still doesn't go away. Noticing it every time I swallow makes for annoyed zenzio |
| 13:57.24 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, is the reverse always true? Can something be corrosive without being acidic? |
| 13:57.35 | alestane | Not properly. |
| 13:57.56 | alestane | Bases are often destructive to creatures and substances, but the property is properly called being caustic. |
| 13:58.26 | krka | can't iron corrode without acids? |
| 13:58.36 | Lopeppeppy | Thats where I was going, krka. |
| 13:58.50 | krka | and copper too, i suppose |
| 14:00.15 | krka | green copper roofs are pretty! |
| 14:00.29 | alestane | Acids are corrosive; their action is substantially more destructive to inorganic substances than to organics, which is why our digestion uses acidic solutions. Bases are caustic; their action is very destructive to organics, although they are more damaging to inorganics than acids are to organics. |
| 14:00.49 | alestane | From a chemist's jargon, iron isn't corroding, it's oxidizing. |
| 14:01.19 | Lopeppeppy | So this is a mixup between "common use" of language versus "scientific use" of language. *nod* |
| 14:01.31 | Lopeppeppy | Observation is my key skill today. |
| 14:01.39 | alestane | You said. |
| 14:01.51 | alestane | You noticed right away that today was Thursday. |
| 14:02.21 | Lopeppeppy | *nodnod* |
| 14:02.33 | krka | i never could get the hang of thursdays |
| 14:02.46 | Lopeppeppy | Thursday and Friday take too long. |
| 14:03.34 | alestane | But yes, oxygen gas is very reactive in its own right. It combines with iron crystals under common Terran conditions to form ferric oxide, which has much less hardness and tensile strength than the pure iron metal. |
| 14:03.35 | krka | so, the most commonly used version of corrosion isn't corrosion at all |
| 14:04.32 | alestane | Most people use the word "corrosion" to refer to any degrading reaction. |
| 14:05.11 | GrowlyBearShirik | alestane: But |
| 14:05.17 | GrowlyBearShirik | Soap is a base |
| 14:05.30 | GrowlyBearShirik | how can it be destructive :/ |
| 14:05.39 | alestane | Lye is, yes, which is often used to make soap. |
| 14:05.43 | alestane | Or it was, anyway. |
| 14:06.16 | krka | isn't that the point of soap? |
| 14:06.18 | alestane | Try doing laundry every day with lye detergent, and you will find that it is indeed caustic. It's stabilized in fat to make soap. |
| 14:06.28 | krka | to destroy the dirt |
| 14:06.42 | alestane | To bind to the dirt and loosen from things, anyway. |
| 14:06.42 | Lopeppeppy | Wonder what it does in Martian conditions. |
| 14:06.43 | nevcairiel | GrowlyBearShirik: wash your hands with industrial dish washer soap, and you'll know what destructive is |
| 14:06.49 | GrowlyBearShirik | lol |
| 14:06.51 | krka | caustic stuff feels icky on the skin :/ |
| 14:07.05 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: The same thing, actually. That's commonly believed to be the reason Mars appears red. |
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| 14:08.17 | alestane | It's been theorized that Mars may once have had a more oxygenated atmosphere, but that if it did, in the absence of plants to keep releasing oxygen from the soil, the oxygen eventually all bound into iron and silicon on the surface. |
| 14:08.20 | Lopeppeppy | Fair Witness. "Commonly believed" is bad for me today. |
| 14:08.35 | nevcairiel | Anyway, from what i learned in chemistry class, corrosion of metals is usually always oxidation, so it basically is the same. Its a completly different thing on organic substances |
| 14:09.06 | krka | yay for http://xkcd.com/435/ |
| 14:10.48 | alestane | The thing I find funny is that by the definition I understand of science, Math isn't actually a science at all. It's a model humans create to help them predict and dissect the sciences. |
| 14:11.04 | Lopeppeppy | krka - http://xkcd.com/520/ |
| 14:11.39 | nevcairiel | Chemistry is just a bunch of models we created to understand the structure |
| 14:11.57 | nevcairiel | we've been through a few different models, too :) |
| 14:12.01 | Lopeppeppy | An excuse to play with styrofoam balls and plastic straws |
| 14:12.23 | krka | math can be a science in itself |
| 14:12.35 | krka | it makes predictions which can be proved or disproved |
| 14:12.40 | alestane | You can't go somewhere in the universe and find a new mathematics lying around. |
| 14:12.44 | krka | i.e. fermats theorem |
| 14:12.50 | krka | is that the definition of science? |
| 14:12.59 | krka | I can go somewhere and find new physics? |
| 14:13.06 | krka | I can go somewhere and find new chemistry? |
| 14:13.12 | alestane | Well, no. Your definition is closer. |
| 14:13.58 | krka | http://xkcd.com/54/ |
| 14:13.59 | nevcairiel | I still think as long as we need this weird, infinite number to define a circle, math has something left to do |
| 14:14.23 | krka | we do? |
| 14:14.29 | krka | are you saying that we need pi to define a circle? |
| 14:14.39 | alestane | But you could potentially find phenomena that are not included in our present model. The peculiar thing about mathematics as a science is that the phenomena that require it to be expanded are usually generated by us ourselves in pursuit of other sciences. |
| 14:14.41 | Lopeppeppy | Pie is great to eat in circles |
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| 14:15.22 | krka | Whether mathematics itself is properly classified as science has been a matter of some debate. Some thinkers see mathematicians as scientists, regarding physical experiments as inessential or mathematical proofs as equivalent to experiments. Others do not see mathematics as a science, since it does not require an experimental test of its theories and hypotheses. Mathematical theorems and formulas are obtained by logical derivations which presume axiomatic system |
| 14:15.29 | krka | wikipedia ftw! |
| 14:15.51 | GrowlyBearShirik | They aren't scientists |
| 14:15.53 | GrowlyBearShirik | they don't do anything real |
| 14:16.14 | krka | you could argue that mathematics doesn't have any real observations |
| 14:16.21 | krka | thus, not being a science |
| 14:16.27 | alestane | Is Fermat's last theorem actually useful for anything? |
| 14:16.36 | krka | alestane: dont know |
| 14:16.39 | krka | does that matter? |
| 14:16.44 | alestane | Not necessarily. |
| 14:16.59 | krka | i think binary math, and and/or operations were considered useless before too |
| 14:17.08 | krka | the same with the math behind rsa |
| 14:17.55 | alestane | I guess I'm just wondering if he set it down because he wanted the answer for something else, or because he looked at the patterns in the numbers and went, "That's funny..." |
| 14:18.00 | alestane | "I wonder if..." |
| 14:18.13 | krka | http://xkcd.com/242/ |
| 14:18.32 | krka | possibly |
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| 14:19.34 | krka | also, on circle: A circle is a simple shape of Euclidean geometry consisting of those points in a plane which are the same distance from a given point called the center. |
| 14:19.38 | krka | nothing about pi there |
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| 14:20.17 | alestane | My understanding is that science boils down to resolving contradictions between data and models by attempting to demonstrate either the data or the model to be invalid or incomplete. |
| 14:20.37 | Lopeppeppy | If it's done right, maybe. |
| 14:21.26 | alestane | The circle defines Ï, Ï does not define the circle. |
| 14:22.18 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Because all too often they aren't actually science. They're conducted by people with vested interests who are trying to secure a predetermined set of results. |
| 14:22.33 | krka | pseudo-science ftw |
| 14:23.11 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, at least HALF of all science is like that. |
| 14:23.16 | alestane | Someone who knows where they want to get to can always find a way to skew or interpret the data to support their goal. |
| 14:23.21 | Lopeppeppy | ~whalenuke ckknight |
| 14:23.23 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around ckknight with his mind powers. |
| 14:23.28 | ckknight | you know you like it |
| 14:23.33 | ckknight | (the safety word is banana) |
| 14:23.42 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, it gave me a chance to blow him up, Shirik. I have to have a reason. |
| 14:23.43 | GrowlyBearShirik | bananananananananananananana |
| 14:23.54 | GrowlyBearShirik | Ok now what |
| 14:23.57 | GrowlyBearShirik | my demo code works |
| 14:24.10 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, GrowlyBearShirik. Do you get a nap or lunch as a reward now? |
| 14:24.18 | GrowlyBearShirik | it's 10:30 |
| 14:24.24 | GrowlyBearShirik | and nap is probably not a good idea |
| 14:24.54 | GrowlyBearShirik | I added some absolutely awful code to make it work |
| 14:24.59 | GrowlyBearShirik | I'm not going to make it work correctly though |
| 14:25.01 | GrowlyBearShirik | that's too complicated |
| 14:25.31 | GrowlyBearShirik | There's this awesome bug where if a memory address has a 00 in it, it will crash |
| 14:25.43 | GrowlyBearShirik | so I just skip any memory addresses with 00 in them ^_^ |
| 14:26.54 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
| 14:27.00 | Lopeppeppy | Avoiding the problem is a good thing. |
| 14:28.09 | alestane | If it's sustainably more cost-effective than fixing it, anyway. |
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| 14:34.04 | GrowlyBearShirik | Well it's an unacceptable solution |
| 14:34.09 | GrowlyBearShirik | but it works for the demo today |
| 14:35.24 | alestane | Ok, an E3 solution then. |
| 14:35.35 | krka | quickfix today, legacy code tomorrow |
| 14:36.28 | GrowlyBearShirik | E3 solution? |
| 14:37.53 | alestane | You have to have a demo of something at E3 that makes people go "WOW", but your game tech is frequently not going to be at the point where it support s a demo of that level on that time frame. So you soup something up and layer, say, prerendered cinematics on top, or otherwise use techniques that the game won't actually use, to get it ready for the demo date. |
| 14:38.22 | GrowlyBearShirik | ah yes |
| 14:38.40 | GrowlyBearShirik | Sad thing is, part of this IS the technique we have to use. It's ugly, but it works. |
| 14:39.01 | GrowlyBearShirik | The software we're using, LabVIEW, doesn't allow you to pass arrays of strings to C. So, instead, I made this awesome code that packs the addresses of strings into a single string |
| 14:39.08 | GrowlyBearShirik | so it's a string that contains addresses |
| 14:39.19 | alestane | And demo it on a machine that you're not pitching as your target spec, so you have computing power to throw at the demo. |
| 14:39.32 | GrowlyBearShirik | Unfortunately, there's one tiny glitch: If the address has a 00 in it, it's considered the null terminator |
| 14:40.15 | GrowlyBearShirik | It rarely comes up actually, but if it does, the whole thing goes to hell :P |
| 14:40.15 | alestane | Because it's a C string. |
| 14:40.15 | GrowlyBearShirik | yup |
| 14:40.15 | GrowlyBearShirik | Still I think the solution is genius, despite its hackiness |
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| 14:40.31 | GrowlyBearShirik | but that flaw needs to be fixed. But not now. E3 solution for now says catch the segfault and ignore it ^_^ |
| 14:40.35 | krka | can't you escape it? |
| 14:40.39 | alestane | Can you bitnot the addresses, since string addresses are usually more likely to start on 00 than FF? |
| 14:40.54 | GrowlyBearShirik | actually they start really high because they're in DLLs |
| 14:41.02 | alestane | krka: with WHAT? |
| 14:41.04 | GrowlyBearShirik | So that's a non-issue |
| 14:42.11 | GrowlyBearShirik | It's been running for 10 minutes straight now so it seems to be good |
| 14:42.44 | GrowlyBearShirik | (Please ignore the "First Chance Exception: 0xc0000005 Access Violation" in the trace of visual studio :P) |
| 14:42.52 | krka | convert 0x00000000 to the string"0x00000000" instead? :) |
| 14:43.16 | GrowlyBearShirik | I can't quite do that, because it's being passed to another API. It HAS to be an array of addresses. |
| 14:43.31 | GrowlyBearShirik | It just so happens that, in memory, a string containing the addresses happens to be identical to an array of strings |
| 14:43.43 | GrowlyBearShirik | So I trick LabVIEW into doing this for me |
| 14:43.47 | krka | ah right |
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| 14:44.07 | GrowlyBearShirik | I think it's rather brilliant, honestly |
| 14:44.31 | GrowlyBearShirik | Still, the creators of LabVIEW have to get their act together. There's no good reason not to support arrays of strings |
| 14:44.40 | alestane | Workarounds often are. Take a look at that thing that allowed you to use /if and /else commands in macros. |
| 14:46.04 | GrowlyBearShirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/110040-2xso |
| 14:47.00 | krka | why does it use static count? |
| 14:47.06 | krka | statics are evil |
| 14:47.12 | GrowlyBearShirik | why static evil? |
| 14:47.22 | krka | wouldn't it be reentrant without that static? |
| 14:47.46 | GrowlyBearShirik | no, it's really the linked list that's the problem, krka |
| 14:48.27 | Seerah | why is Shirik GrowlyBear-like this morning? |
| 14:48.44 | GrowlyBearShirik | Lopeppeppy said I was GrowlyBear |
| 14:49.02 | Seerah | you're not snugglypuppy? |
| 14:49.05 | krka | hmm, isn't head basically a static too? |
| 14:49.34 | GrowlyBearShirik | yeah basically |
| 14:49.49 | krka | without that, it would be reentrant :P |
| 14:49.56 | GrowlyBearShirik | yes, but there's no reason to make this reentrant anyway |
| 14:50.00 | GrowlyBearShirik | the database is not reentrant |
| 14:50.08 | krka | perhaps not |
| 14:50.11 | GrowlyBearShirik | and this is only called from the database access routines |
| 14:50.23 | GrowlyBearShirik | trying to make that non-global would probably double the size of the code |
| 14:50.26 | GrowlyBearShirik | if not here, then in LabVIEW |
| 14:50.53 | GrowlyBearShirik | why is Lopeppeppy being a Smarta$$? |
| 14:51.27 | krka | i still think statics are bad, nothing good can come from using them |
| 14:51.43 | krka | or globals, or whatever you want to call them |
| 14:51.48 | GrowlyBearShirik | I tend to disagree |
| 14:51.56 | Lopeppeppy | GrowlyBearShirik, when is Peppy NOT being a smartass? |
| 14:51.57 | GrowlyBearShirik | they have their purpose |
| 14:52.05 | GrowlyBearShirik | when she's being good peppy? :( |
| 14:52.25 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. That's possible? |
| 14:52.33 | GrowlyBearShirik | yes :( |
| 14:52.45 | alestane | Not on newsletter day. |
| 14:52.52 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, okay, I'll try that for a while then! *skips off happily* |
| 14:53.04 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, this is spring break, no newsletters this week! |
| 14:53.24 | GrowlyBearShirik | I don't think Seerah ever got her answer |
| 14:53.44 | Seerah | nope :P |
| 14:54.13 | Seerah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUEMxwU7yy0 |
| 14:54.30 | Seerah | <3 Eric Stolz songs |
| 14:54.33 | GrowlyBearShirik | s/Puppy/Peppy/ |
| 14:56.34 | Lopeppeppy | Snugglypeppy! |
| 14:56.35 | Seerah | oooo snuggle peppy of mine, everything about you is especially fine. I love what you are, I love what you do, oooo I love you |
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| 14:56.55 | alestane | I like the sound of snugglypeppy... |
| 14:58.35 | Seerah | hehe |
| 14:58.43 | krka | GrowlyBearShirik: well, can you think of cases where they can't be avoided? |
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| 14:58.55 | GrowlyBearShirik | I didn't say they can't be avoided |
| 14:58.56 | Seerah | now I have that song in my head - it's one of my favorites off the cd I have :) |
| 14:59.03 | GrowlyBearShirik | I said that it may be unwarranted |
| 14:59.37 | GrowlyBearShirik | This is such a case -- there is no reason to make this reentrant anyway, and attempting to make it reentrant will increase both code size and memory usage |
| 15:00.00 | GrowlyBearShirik | and since more information needs to be marshalled, performance drop too |
| 15:00.16 | GrowlyBearShirik | not to mention LabView doesn't like getting pointers to things that it doesn't know wtf it is |
| 15:00.31 | krka | right, it would mean passing along more values instead of looking up a global |
| 15:00.40 | GrowlyBearShirik | right |
| 15:01.18 | krka | i just have a tendency to connect global usage with bugridden and hard to test apps |
| 15:01.30 | krka | lua for example don't use globals much at all, afaik |
| 15:01.38 | GrowlyBearShirik | You don't do much realtime work, do you |
| 15:01.45 | krka | nope |
| 15:01.53 | alestane | Sore wa sore; kore wa kore. |
| 15:02.11 | GrowlyBearShirik | globals are great for realtime if you know how to synchronize it, because you don't have the problem of allocation all over the place |
| 15:02.32 | GrowlyBearShirik | In fact, dynamic allocation isn't even allowed in aircraft-critical code, so you might even have to do it :P |
| 15:02.50 | krka | you dont have to have dynamic allocation instead of globals |
| 15:02.54 | krka | you can put it on the stack |
| 15:03.01 | GrowlyBearShirik | You still are losing determinism |
| 15:03.17 | GrowlyBearShirik | and you can't put a struct on the stack to return |
| 15:03.20 | GrowlyBearShirik | not in C++ at least |
| 15:03.25 | GrowlyBearShirik | you could fill it or something |
| 15:03.38 | GrowlyBearShirik | but I'll just go back to my point of losing determinism |
| 15:03.46 | krka | you can use a pointer to a struct |
| 15:03.58 | GrowlyBearShirik | not as a return value |
| 15:04.09 | GrowlyBearShirik | If you do that, then it had to be created somewhere |
| 15:04.18 | krka | sure, it could be created by the caller |
| 15:04.21 | GrowlyBearShirik | and if it was created on the stack, then you're about to return something that will be deallocated as soon as you can see it |
| 15:04.26 | GrowlyBearShirik | Right, that was when I mentioned filling it :P |
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| 15:05.15 | krka | the most trivial way to avoid globals, is to do what lua does, and just pass along a struct containing all globals everywhere |
| 15:05.28 | krka | the penalty is an extra parameter everywhere |
| 15:05.42 | krka | the upside is that you can run multiple instances |
| 15:06.03 | GrowlyBearShirik | fact of the matter is I'm not going to waste stack space for something I don't need, when I barely have any memory to work with already |
| 15:06.52 | GrowlyBearShirik | You're thinking of this from an application programmer's perspective, which is reasonable |
| 15:07.05 | GrowlyBearShirik | now think of it from an embedded systems perspective |
| 15:07.10 | alestane | You just can't feel down listening to "Three Little Birds". |
| 15:07.23 | krka | true, the cost is one pointer size per function call depth |
| 15:07.42 | GrowlyBearShirik | plus the additional code required to handle it |
| 15:07.46 | GrowlyBearShirik | handling globals is easy |
| 15:08.02 | krka | ah, thought you meant stack space |
| 15:08.03 | GrowlyBearShirik | The address is known at compile time |
| 15:08.05 | GrowlyBearShirik | I did |
| 15:08.08 | krka | code doesn't live on the stack though? |
| 15:08.35 | GrowlyBearShirik | No, but you need more code to access something pointed to by a parameter than you need to access a global |
| 15:08.46 | GrowlyBearShirik | (Not necessarily in C++, but at the instruction level) |
| 15:08.58 | GrowlyBearShirik | Could it be negligable? Yes |
| 15:09.03 | krka | sure, but is that on the stack? |
| 15:09.07 | GrowlyBearShirik | Can you justify wasting it? Probably not |
| 15:09.14 | GrowlyBearShirik | Globals? No, globals are part of the code segment |
| 15:09.17 | GrowlyBearShirik | well |
| 15:09.18 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. I know the school is on spring recess. They turned down the heat 5 degrees, I'm cold. But now, in my wing, 1 ladies room has no hand soap, another is OOO because the lights are broken, and the third has no hot water. |
| 15:09.19 | GrowlyBearShirik | Depends |
| 15:09.28 | krka | i meant the code that gets larger on instruction level |
| 15:09.31 | GrowlyBearShirik | Constant globals are part of the code segment. Dynamic globals are part of.... something else |
| 15:09.33 | Lopeppeppy | WT bloody damn F, people do still work here during break!!! |
| 15:09.46 | GrowlyBearShirik | Not the stack, no, it would be memory usage though |
| 15:09.52 | GrowlyBearShirik | but I was more referring to time |
| 15:10.06 | krka | yes, for memory constrained systems, globals may be necessary |
| 15:10.07 | GrowlyBearShirik | Lopeppeppy: What else would you do during spring break |
| 15:10.11 | Lopeppeppy | I have one, alestane, it's what my feet are sitting on. |
| 15:10.28 | krka | for large systems, globals can be considered harmful, imo :P |
| 15:10.54 | GrowlyBearShirik | It's not just memory constraints. Globals offer determinism. |
| 15:11.01 | GrowlyBearShirik | You ALWAYS know where that memory is going to be |
| 15:11.08 | krka | Lopeppeppy: just go home then, apparently they don't expect you to work |
| 15:11.12 | GrowlyBearShirik | (Which is something the government likes) |
| 15:11.12 | krka | win-win situtation |
| 15:11.26 | Lopeppeppy | About an inch from it, krka, trust me.... grrrrrrrrr. |
| 15:11.27 | GrowlyBearShirik | Device Error: 102 <Reset> |
| 15:11.37 | GrowlyBearShirik | ooh GrowlyBearPeppy |
| 15:11.44 | krka | GrowlyBearShirik: isn't that true for a struct that gets created on the stack too? |
| 15:11.49 | Lopeppeppy | We can be brother and sister today, how's that Shirik? |
| 15:11.55 | GrowlyBearShirik | you can't guarantee the location of the stack |
| 15:12.09 | Lopeppeppy | (I've been growly all week, being cold makes me shiver, shiver hurts my shoulder, I get cranky) |
| 15:12.13 | GrowlyBearShirik | It (should) be the same offset from the stack pointer, yes |
| 15:12.17 | krka | isn't the stack always at the end of the code segment? |
| 15:12.35 | GrowlyBearShirik | Yes, but it moves depending on what's on it |
| 15:12.41 | GrowlyBearShirik | for the given frame it should always be in the same place |
| 15:13.03 | GrowlyBearShirik | Actually, in this system I think it's before the code segment, but that's not important |
| 15:13.33 | GrowlyBearShirik | Code is at $2000, stack starts at $1FFF, far starts at $1000 |
| 15:13.50 | krka | yes, but the root frame should never move at all |
| 15:13.55 | GrowlyBearShirik | right |
| 15:14.09 | GrowlyBearShirik | but your call isn't necessarily always the same depth relative to root |
| 15:14.29 | krka | no, but the struct is only created once |
| 15:14.37 | krka | (at the root frame) |
| 15:14.48 | GrowlyBearShirik | right, but I'm talking about the various instances that you now have to create |
| 15:14.54 | GrowlyBearShirik | they will not be in the same location |
| 15:15.05 | GrowlyBearShirik | Instead, my global is shared per call and is always in the same place |
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| 15:15.59 | krka | i was talking about the case where you only have one instance |
| 15:16.21 | GrowlyBearShirik | well I still only have 1 instance at a time |
| 15:16.27 | GrowlyBearShirik | but that function has to be called many times per second |
| 15:16.39 | GrowlyBearShirik | So, since I no longer have a global, I have to create the struct to pass in |
| 15:16.47 | GrowlyBearShirik | run it, and have it filled in |
| 15:17.06 | GrowlyBearShirik | on the next call I will have a new struct, which was created independently |
| 15:17.29 | GrowlyBearShirik | :( |
| 15:17.31 | GrowlyBearShirik | why |
| 15:17.37 | Lopeppeppy | cog|work, be nice or I'll bite you. |
| 15:17.44 | cog|work | meep |
| 15:18.00 | GrowlyBearShirik | is that supposed to be a threat? |
| 15:18.33 | cog|work | GrowlyBearShirik: it is if you're married |
| 15:18.35 | cog|work | ;) |
| 15:20.09 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause he's married and I adore his wife, he knows I mean "bite you in a way to cause immediate death, with prejudice", not anything cuddly and friendly. |
| 15:20.15 | Lopeppeppy | As if 50 foot dinos can be friendly. |
| 15:21.22 | cog|work | one more time for the morning (PDT) crew: anyone in the SF bay area want or know someone who would want to adopt an abandoned puppy? |
| 15:21.41 | Seerah | :( |
| 15:21.46 | GrowlyBearShirik | jnwhiteh: ping |
| 15:22.19 | Lopeppeppy | I've seen the picture, the baby Cogwheel found is a lovely puppy. People are stupid-cruel. |
| 15:22.39 | Lopeppeppy | Cog, if you can't find someone, check to see if there's a breed-specific rescue agency in your area, they often do better placing dogs with awesome homes. |
| 15:22.55 | cog|work | googling for some atm |
| 15:24.15 | GrowlyBearShirik | breed specific? |
| 15:24.31 | cog|work | she's pit bull (mostly?) |
| 15:25.05 | cog|work | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1359491&l=d2401&id=563064469 |
| 15:26.31 | Seerah | hehe - look at that tail wagging :) |
| 15:27.07 | cog|work | She's so sweet. If we were in the market for a dog we'd probably keep her, but it's just the absolute wrong time for us |
| 15:27.44 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 15:28.12 | Lopeppeppy | her ears are very perky, and the red/brindle is a good coat color |
| 15:28.52 | GrowlyBearShirik | "Elmer's Repositionable Glue" |
| 15:28.57 | GrowlyBearShirik | Doesn't that defeat the purpose of glue? |
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| 15:31.20 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much, GrowlyBearShirik. |
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| 15:36.13 | krka | GrowlyBearShirik: was that intended as a funny or as a serious point against the glue? |
| 15:36.24 | GrowlyBearShirik | I'm not sure |
| 15:38.13 | Lopeppeppy | It's not glue anymore, it's liquified sticky tack. |
| 15:38.16 | krka | apparently it's atleast useful to some |
| 15:38.24 | GrowlyBearShirik | ............................. |
| 15:38.25 | krka | though the term might seem contradictional |
| 15:38.30 | GrowlyBearShirik | I opened up my schools spam filter |
| 15:38.49 | GrowlyBearShirik | Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details |
| 15:39.03 | GrowlyBearShirik | WTF kind of spam system blocks postmaster mail |
| 15:39.14 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* Gotta love it. |
| 15:39.14 | nevcairiel | depends whats in it |
| 15:39.21 | nevcairiel | GrowlyBearShirik: alot of those is spam too |
| 15:39.30 | GrowlyBearShirik | I'm looking at the score |
| 15:39.32 | GrowlyBearShirik | Here's why |
| 15:39.47 | GrowlyBearShirik | 10+20 points for "Auto-Submitted" header |
| 15:39.54 | nevcairiel | I can send a fake mail with your sender address, and your daemon will get it |
| 15:40.00 | GrowlyBearShirik | 50 points for "Contains string 550 5.1.1 User Unknown" |
| 15:40.03 | nevcairiel | do you really want all those? |
| 15:40.12 | GrowlyBearShirik | These rules are stupid though |
| 15:40.21 | GrowlyBearShirik | 25 points for "Invalid 'From' Address" |
| 15:40.23 | GrowlyBearShirik | seriously? |
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| 15:51.51 | cog|work | STATION |
| 15:52.09 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa. |
| 15:52.15 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 15:53.36 | krka | there's so much we should hate bill&ted for |
| 15:54.19 | Lunessa | No, Bill and Ted are the Great Ones. Be Excellent to each other! |
| 15:54.38 | Lopeppeppy | The best advice ever spoken. |
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| 15:56.16 | krka | i know kung fu! |
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| 16:04.20 | Lunessa | krka: Don't forget the most expressive movie line ever, "Whoa!" |
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| 16:04.30 | tcconway | lo all. |
| 16:04.43 | tcconway | Anyone know how to create a Portal page on wowinterface.com? |
| 16:05.09 | cog|work | if you've uploaded mods you should be able to go to authorname.wowinterface.com |
| 16:05.12 | cog|work | iirc |
| 16:05.30 | alestane | I believe once you have posted mods of which you are the author, the "Activate my portal" option shows up in your profile page, or something like that. |
| 16:05.45 | tcconway | alestane: ooh. looking now. |
| 16:06.06 | Lunessa | It was only a matter of time before someone else pointed out all the penis references in the Sons of Hodir quests .... http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20090312 |
| 16:06.16 | tcconway | alestane: nope. not there. |
| 16:06.24 | Lopeppeppy | I'm surprised it took this long, honestly |
| 16:06.32 | alestane | I can't check for you, mine is already activated. |
| 16:06.54 | tcconway | alestane: thx anyway... |
| 16:08.31 | tcconway | hmm...might be because my addon is "pending" |
| 16:10.04 | GrowlyBearShirik | Mismatched FS module version for 'fsfs': found 1.5.4, expected 1.5.5 |
| 16:10.07 | GrowlyBearShirik | ... wha o.o |
| 16:12.11 | nevcairiel | You afraid of tekkub, or why de-bearing? :P |
| 16:12.54 | Lunessa | I don't think Shirik is his type. Not enough hair and too scrawny. |
| 16:13.05 | Shirik | I'm not going to join #svn with that name |
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| 16:17.39 | Lunessa | LOL |
| 16:17.46 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
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| 16:22.39 | Shirik | I'm either getting really good or really bad |
| 16:22.45 | Shirik | Time estimate: 3 hours |
| 16:22.47 | Lopeppeppy | Baaad. *grin* |
| 16:22.49 | Shirik | Time actual: 30 minutes |
| 16:24.49 | Shirik | "Failed to authenticate with FishEye. See logs for more details. " |
| 16:24.54 | Shirik | so I go to look at the logs |
| 16:25.03 | Shirik | java.io.IOException: Failed to authenticate with FishEye. See logs for more details. |
| 16:25.04 | Shirik | Brilliant. |
| 16:25.12 | nevcairiel | other logs, duh |
| 16:26.17 | Shirik | Fortunately I am god and know that fisheye isn't running |
| 16:26.47 | nevcairiel | You're not god |
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| 16:28.44 | Shirik | I disagree |
| 16:29.22 | nevcairiel | If you would be god, you would not pester us with your questions all the time |
| 16:32.22 | alestane | He's only god with a lowercase g. |
| 16:32.28 | Shirik | see |
| 16:32.30 | Shirik | alestane gets me |
| 16:33.27 | durcyn | so's bill murray. |
| 16:34.23 | ckknight | hehe, good movie |
| 16:36.22 | Vilkku | off the bat, does anyone know of an addon that shows the health of the vehicle you are in? |
| 16:36.51 | durcyn | uh, your pet bar? |
| 16:37.08 | Vilkku | vah? |
| 16:37.20 | Vilkku | it does? :P |
| 16:37.21 | durcyn | vehicles are considered pets for the purpose of unitframes |
| 16:37.31 | Vilkku | oh |
| 16:37.38 | Vilkku | right |
| 16:37.51 | durcyn | unless you're talking about someone else's vehicle that you're a passenger in, then you'd want partypet/raidpet |
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| 16:38.21 | Vilkku | yeah that's what I want, I just tried to remember if there is a bet frame for when you are just riding along |
| 16:38.28 | nevcairiel | I still wish they would allow the raid headers to switch to the vehicle units |
| 16:38.46 | nevcairiel | that would be so awesomesauce |
| 16:39.13 | alestane | Do you ever have to heal a vehicle that's in your raid? |
| 16:39.14 | ckknight | what they need to do is have their unit frame code be considered insecure and have to use their own headers. |
| 16:39.22 | nevcairiel | alestane: malygos |
| 16:39.50 | nevcairiel | Or a macro condition that responds to UnitHasVechielUI() |
| 16:40.10 | nevcairiel | that would be nice too |
| 16:40.10 | Vilkku | alestane, mainly for wintergrasp, I want to know how long it takes until the vehicle I'm shooting from gets destroyed |
| 16:40.32 | nevcairiel | Indeed, in wintergrasp i might want the vehicle HP too |
| 16:40.38 | nevcairiel | Or flame leviathan in Ulduar |
| 16:40.43 | alestane | nevcairiel: That's what I've propoesd, but if it happens we aren't likely to see it before 3.2. |
| 16:40.44 | nevcairiel | i can't heal the vehicles |
| 16:40.54 | nevcairiel | but its still nice to see their HP |
| 16:42.01 | nevcairiel | for my own char i can combine [bonusbar:5] and [target=vehicle,exists] to check for a controlled vehicle.. |
| 16:42.08 | nevcairiel | its not perfect, but it does the job |
| 16:42.27 | alestane | I've never heard that "vehicle" is a valid unit token. |
| 16:42.34 | nevcairiel | alestane: it is, though =) |
| 16:43.05 | nevcairiel | even works with raid5vehicle |
| 16:43.06 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 16:43.52 | nevcairiel | at least the player vehicle works |
| 16:44.00 | nevcairiel | its the same as pet in that time |
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| 16:44.13 | nevcairiel | but only available on vehicles |
| 16:45.52 | nevcairiel | I wish some suggestions would have a chance of going through quicker =/ |
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| 16:47.14 | Lopeppeppy | Patience is a virtue, grasshopper. |
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| 16:58.16 | Lunessa | Patience is a virgin. |
| 16:58.42 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, you mean to say it doesn't exist! |
| 16:59.53 | alestane | At least not at college. |
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| 17:01.46 | Lunessa | Yeah, you know how it is. A Friday evening, movies, pizza and a few beers, then you wake up on Saturday sore and full of regret. |
| 17:02.24 | Shirik | no you don't |
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| 17:03.40 | Lopeppeppy | Yes I do, Shirik. I thought less. |
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| 17:04.28 | Lunessa | I don't miss college. I had zero life then. Work full time, school full time - sleep never. I do however miss one or two young women I knew during those years. /sigh |
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| 17:17.41 | ckknight | Lunessa: the trick is to get a real job and then have sex with lots of women |
| 17:17.53 | Aqua | You don't need a job for that |
| 17:17.55 | Lunessa | ckknight: I have a real job. |
| 17:17.57 | Aqua | you just need money |
| 17:18.07 | Lunessa | I'm just picky about who I sleep with. |
| 17:18.12 | Lunessa | Usually. |
| 17:18.12 | ckknight | alright then |
| 17:18.17 | ckknight | Aqua: that's not true, really. |
| 17:19.03 | Aqua | A nuddy of mine is fairly set in life, and he doesn't work. All he does his flaunt his cash and he gets all the pussy he wants |
| 17:19.06 | Aqua | *buddy |
| 17:19.53 | Lopeppeppy | Those girls are schtooop'd then. I prefer a guy who knows how to work for things he wants, because then maybe, just maybe, he'll put some effort into a relationship. |
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| 17:20.23 | Aqua | yea, if your looking for a relationship thats different, but just getting laid |
| 17:20.25 | Aqua | money will do that |
| 17:20.52 | Aqua | am i wrong? |
| 17:21.40 | Aqua | Granted, I shouldn't even be in the conversation, never having had a girlfriend myself, but hell around where I live, its all about money |
| 17:22.16 | Lopeppeppy | I'll stick with my teddy bear, he's more sensible. |
| 17:22.37 | Aqua | I'll stay away from women all together.... less falling down |
| 17:23.00 | Aqua | fyi, I have narcolepsy and any emotions can put me to sleep |
| 17:23.07 | Lopeppeppy | Whee. |
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| 17:26.18 | Aqua | I hate drilling hard drives |
| 17:26.20 | Aqua | such a pita |
| 17:29.11 | ScytheBlade1 | DBAN! |
| 17:30.18 | alestane | "Le plus je voix des hommes, le plus j'aime mon chat."? |
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| 17:32.51 | Lopeppeppy | For serious, alestane. |
| 17:33.00 | Codex| | i like a lot of men, i like plus size chat |
| 17:33.03 | Codex| | hows my french |
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| 17:33.28 | alestane | Try again. |
| 17:33.39 | Codex| | the more you voix men, the more they chat |
| 17:33.47 | alestane | Closer. |
| 17:33.48 | Codex| | not sure what voixing is ^^ |
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| 17:34.02 | AbsolutRayne_ | ladi dah |
| 17:34.09 | Codex| | the more you __ men the more they like to chat |
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| 17:34.21 | Lopeppeppy | .... I find your frenchification suspicious |
| 17:34.29 | alestane | I may have misspelled something, but it comes out as "The more I see of men, the more I love my cat." |
| 17:34.42 | Codex| | damnit |
| 17:34.48 | Lopeppeppy | No, that's about it, alestane, although I think it's "man", as in "mankind" |
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| 17:36.49 | Codex| | netsplit? |
| 17:36.58 | Aqua | yup |
| 17:37.13 | Aqua | already reconnected and resynched |
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| 18:02.06 | foxlit | local valueThatShouldNotBeNil = (exp) or error("something went wrong"); |
| 18:02.38 | foxlit | ^ Because the assert function is clearly evil. |
| 18:02.50 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 18:04.34 | alestane | Some people don't like assert because it adds the overhead of a function call even if the condition is good, but that really seems to be going too far. |
| 18:06.42 | foxlit | lua> s= os.clock() function f(n) if n == 0 then return os.clock()-s; end return f(n-1); end print(f(1000000), os.clock()-s); |
| 18:06.42 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0.11, 0.11 |
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| 18:32.45 | Rabbitbunny | http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20070605 |
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| 18:34.33 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: ping |
| 18:35.34 | AbsolutRayne | :< |
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| 18:36.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, AbsolutRayne? |
| 18:37.04 | AbsolutRayne | Hai <3 |
| 18:37.07 | Lopeppeppy | I was aligning some cells, it was tricksy business! |
| 18:37.21 | Lopeppeppy | Hai2U. How goes the wide world, and are you back in the States or still in Canada, eh? |
| 18:37.25 | AbsolutRayne | I bet |
| 18:37.30 | AbsolutRayne | Im still in Cananananada |
| 18:37.45 | Lopeppeppy | Blame Cananananananada |
| 18:37.50 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: http://i44.tinypic.com/jfw9cn.jpg Thoughts? Im now debating what to do with the buffs / debuffs since the colide |
| 18:37.56 | AbsolutRayne | with the party frames |
| 18:37.58 | AbsolutRayne | * |
| 18:38.27 | Lopeppeppy | Can you put them below self and target? |
| 18:38.40 | Lopeppeppy | Or to the left/right? |
| 18:38.48 | AbsolutRayne | I could |
| 18:38.51 | kneeki | AbsolutRayne: I like |
| 18:39.02 | Lopeppeppy | Below = shift down the spell bars, so they ride between self and spells. |
| 18:40.37 | AbsolutRayne | The only problem I have with that is that they might hash together with the bar, and people will get confused and bitch |
| 18:40.44 | Lopeppeppy | Very true. What about left/right? |
| 18:40.48 | AbsolutRayne | Because somepeople are that bad |
| 18:41.14 | Lopeppeppy | I honestly have my setup pretty much as this is here, with party pets above their owners. |
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| 18:45.26 | AbsolutRayne | The only problem I have with Left Right is that the gradient might conflict. Ive almost been debating removing it at this point :/ |
| 18:47.40 | Lopeppeppy | The gradient at the sides is the thing that buggers adapting your UI to different screen sizes. For example, my chat log overlaps about half of it on the left side. |
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| 18:50.33 | AbsolutRayne | btw, TD Bank sucks. Get another bank. |
| 18:51.07 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Ill remove them later and see how I like it |
| 18:51.34 | AbsolutRayne | I just fear it ends up looking like every single UI out there, bland. :/ |
| 18:51.45 | AbsolutRayne | (with some exceptions) |
| 18:53.17 | Jamash | Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. (Antoine de Saint-Exuper) |
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| 18:53.30 | Lopeppeppy | AbsolutRayne, sometimes the excitement is in the using, not the "bland versus not" |
| 18:53.48 | foxlit | I, for one, welcome our new never-the-same-UI-twice overlords |
| 18:54.38 | Tekkub | http://www.johnnywander.com/node/153 |
| 18:54.42 | AbsolutRayne | Honestly |
| 18:54.56 | AbsolutRayne | If I didnt make this UI, id be using Delsims |
| 18:55.15 | foxlit | And suggest the following scheme: download every addon on wowi; categorize addons by function, and make sure that you only load one addon that performs a function when you log in. Throw in a bonus addon to reshuffle the list of loaded addons every time you log in. |
| 18:55.55 | Jamash | ~lart foxlit |
| 18:55.55 | purl | drops a humongous exploding nuke on foxlit |
| 18:56.18 | Lopeppeppy | Delsim's is just a weeeee too minimal for Peppy. |
| 18:56.49 | KarlKFI | everything's too minimal for me. I'ma maximalist |
| 18:57.25 | Cairenn | sometimes maximalist is much better than minimalist ;) |
| 18:58.05 | KarlKFI | i want to play WoW like a RTS, zoomed way out viewing the whole combat zone, with little bars above all the bar guys so i can kill them faster |
| 18:58.14 | Jamash | I'm a maximalist to the extent that sometimes I have trouble finding the world frame |
| 18:59.11 | KarlKFI | and a giant HUD blocking half the screen Summarizing all the important information so that i dont need to see the world frame to derive that information myself |
| 18:59.23 | End | oops |
| 18:59.40 | Jamash | KarlKFI: I felt like I was playing an RTS the first time I lead a group after they added Raid Icons to the base UI |
| 19:00.48 | KarlKFI | I think I'm gonna make a mod that tweaks Aloft and makes the bar for Fire Elementals in OS a different color and thenmake them glow brighter the lower their health. |
| 19:01.15 | KarlKFI | or... make them glow brighter if they're not targetting a tank |
| 19:01.39 | KarlKFI | then i can pretend i'm a healer and play whack a mole |
| 19:02.02 | Codex| | anyone got an nquestlog ldb port? |
| 19:02.31 | foxlit | ldb: the new Ace, or the newer Ace? |
| 19:02.55 | Codex| | is that a real question? lol |
| 19:03.22 | Jamash | new and improved, or newer and improveder? |
| 19:03.30 | Lunessa | Cairenn: sometimes maximalist is much better than minimalist ;) - I totally went where you meant us to go. |
| 19:03.37 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 19:03.43 | foxlit | Was there candy? |
| 19:03.43 | Codex| | how can something be both new and improved |
| 19:03.57 | KarlKFI | all improved things are new |
| 19:04.04 | Jamash | all new things are improved |
| 19:04.09 | Lunessa | "Hey baby, check out my /UI/. It's maximal. |
| 19:04.09 | KarlKFI | not rly |
| 19:04.12 | Codex| | but is a new version new, or just updated :) |
| 19:04.19 | Cairenn | it's a new formula that is an improvement over the old formula |
| 19:04.28 | foxlit | Lunessa: but not maximum? |
| 19:04.28 | Jamash | my new versions are definitely just updated |
| 19:04.29 | KarlKFI | I'll give YOU Maximal |
| 19:04.30 | Cairenn | (eg) |
| 19:04.36 | Lopeppeppy | KarlKFI, healing the mobs to death, are you? |
| 19:04.44 | Jamash | version change notes: "Added a close box." |
| 19:04.56 | KarlKFI | something like that peppy |
| 19:05.00 | foxlit | personally, I think that lacks a d |
| 19:05.00 | Lopeppeppy | Dare ya. |
| 19:05.05 | foxlit | "Added a closed box." |
| 19:05.18 | Jamash | full of candy? |
| 19:05.51 | foxlit | and rainbows. |
| 19:06.42 | KarlKFI | just gotta figure out some hack way to determine what mobs need agroing |
| 19:07.02 | KarlKFI | i spose i could dim all the other mobs that i know have agro |
| 19:07.36 | KarlKFI | and use "mouseovertarget" liberally |
| 19:08.38 | foxlit | http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b144/0756235/Yoggmo.png |
| 19:09.21 | Jamash | ouch |
| 19:09.24 | Lopeppeppy | www. |
| 19:09.59 | AbsolutRayne | Who thinks we wont be saying 3.1 til May. Raise your hands |
| 19:10.27 | AbsolutRayne | :< |
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| 19:22.17 | smoke_ | if i have a fontstring overlay on the left side of a frame, and another on the right side, do i need a truncate function to stop them from running into each other? or is there a better way? |
| 19:27.32 | alestane | Would you rather have them overlap in the middle, get cut off in the middle, hang of the edges, get cut off at the edges, or get shrunk? |
| 19:27.55 | Jamash | ...or make the frame bigger? |
| 19:28.09 | End | or dance like a monkey? |
| 19:28.19 | End | oh wait, my suggestion is bogus |
| 19:28.34 | End | Jamash: bogus I tell you, bogus! |
| 19:28.58 | End | much better |
| 19:29.40 | AbsolutRayne | ckknight: Ping pong |
| 19:29.59 | ckknight | AbsolutRayne: howdy. |
| 19:30.15 | Tekkub | heh, a gnome guild name <Miniature Disasters> |
| 19:30.38 | Lopeppeppy | Always a disaster without a healer. |
| 19:30.50 | ckknight | psh |
| 19:30.53 | ckknight | first aid, Lopeppeppy |
| 19:31.02 | Lopeppeppy | I've always understood why there are no night elf warlocks -- lore. But why there are no gnomish healers makes no sense. |
| 19:31.19 | Jamash | gnomes don't heal, gnomes repair |
| 19:31.22 | NeoTron | because they prefer to use technology to solve their issues |
| 19:31.23 | AbsolutRayne | ckknight: To ask the most asked question about PitBull4, the new version has raid frames? :D |
| 19:31.31 | ckknight | yes. |
| 19:31.35 | ckknight | you have to create em, though |
| 19:31.37 | Tekkub | hard to repair when everyone is dead |
| 19:31.41 | Jamash | if you've ever been "repaired" by a gnome, you'd understand why there are no gnomish healers :) |
| 19:31.42 | AbsolutRayne | ckknight: <333333333333333 |
| 19:31.50 | ckknight | AbsolutRayne: so just go to groups, make a new group, set the unit group to "Raid" |
| 19:32.06 | alestane | Gotta love the classics: http://nodwick.humor.gamespy.com/gamespyarchive/index.php?date=2001-06-06 |
| 19:32.45 | Lunessa | Gnomes are patently non-religious. They never invoke the Light. Those gnomes with a need for religious guidance have routinely turned to the Old Gods or Elemental or Shadow beings. |
| 19:33.11 | Tekkub | "guidance" lawl |
| 19:33.35 | alestane | They firmly believe in the domination of applied sciences or magiks over the natural order, making it difficult for them to prosper as druids or shamans. |
| 19:33.52 | Jamash | actually there are gnomish healers, they just have Potion Injectors and Gnomish Army Knives |
| 19:33.59 | End | and bandages |
| 19:34.15 | Tekkub | yet they turn to elementals |
| 19:34.52 | alestane | Again, to study or bind them, most of the time. |
| 19:35.21 | Tekkub | you said for "religious guidance" |
| 19:35.27 | Tekkub | I think you're full of shit! |
| 19:35.49 | Lopeppeppy | The Light isn't a religion, as is said elsewhere. It's more philosophy. |
| 19:35.53 | alestane | Lunessa said that. At least address your scathing comments to the ones who provoked them. |
| 19:36.16 | Tekkub | bah, your names are both purple |
| 19:36.22 | Tekkub | you all the same |
| 19:36.31 | Jamash | A Gnomish priest could simply consider the Light as another energy source. |
| 19:36.51 | End | fel reavers have a dance animation? :o |
| 19:36.56 | Jamash | they might try to build a Light-generator, of course |
| 19:36.56 | Tekkub | a gnomish priest would just use a lens to burn people |
| 19:37.11 | Jamash | with predictably dire consequences |
| 19:37.21 | Tekkub | "Here let me heal that gaping wound" *sear* |
| 19:37.54 | End | at least it won't get infected? |
| 19:38.02 | Tekkub | cauterizes the bleeding |
| 19:38.11 | End | that too |
| 19:38.18 | Jamash | tourniquet a head wound |
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| 19:45.08 | AbsolutRayne | Odd |
| 19:45.10 | AbsolutRayne | O_o |
| 19:45.38 | AbsolutRayne | Its not letting me move custom texts |
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| 19:46.34 | AbsolutRayne | nm just lag on my part |
| 19:47.43 | Lunessa | Gnomish healers would be like "Hrm, water on the brain is 90% fatal! We must amputate!" |
| 19:48.51 | Stanzilla | AbsolutRayne: just /rl everytime you created a new text |
| 19:48.54 | Stanzilla | that#s a bit buggy |
| 19:49.57 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, if you're trying to drink water with your brain, yr doin' it wrong! |
| 19:50.12 | AbsolutRayne | My characters also bugged atm, doing the running man :P |
| 19:50.28 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Well, I don't has water on the brain, if you know what I mean... *wink* |
| 19:50.39 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you're so weird! |
| 19:50.53 | Lunessa | It's part of my charm. |
| 19:51.26 | Aqua | gnome healers would kick ass |
| 19:52.08 | AbsolutRayne | I wish there were Gnome Priests :( |
| 19:52.09 | foxlit | Possibly |
| 19:52.10 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy would totally kick ass as a healer. |
| 19:52.17 | AbsolutRayne | Id have one that looked just like Chromie |
| 19:52.21 | foxlit | But then we'd have to nerf tanks again to keep the game balanced |
| 19:52.24 | AbsolutRayne | and park her right next to her in Dragonblight! |
| 19:52.40 | Aqua | see how many people clicked on you? |
| 19:52.52 | Lopeppeppy | Chromie is NOT a gnome! |
| 19:53.16 | foxlit | sigh, people prefixing addon names with letters |
| 19:53.25 | foxlit | Don't they realize the alphabet is very, very finite? |
| 19:54.24 | durcyn | no worries, man, we can just wrap around to aaBadlyWrittenCrap |
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| 19:54.52 | Teomyr | zzOld |
| 19:56.38 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: How can you be offended by Chromie, shes awesome! |
| 19:56.45 | pnorman | my addon is ztDKP. mind you, that's not prefixing with random letters, it just looks like it is |
| 19:57.00 | Lopeppeppy | Chromie is NOT a gnome! |
| 19:58.06 | AbsolutRayne | >:[ |
| 19:58.33 | Lopeppeppy | I have a .... distinct distaste for the dragon lore of WoW. |
| 19:58.49 | Tekkub | pfft, you suck |
| 19:58.55 | NightHawkTheSane | your MOM is not a gnome |
| 19:59.34 | Lopeppeppy | Having a dragon disguised as a gnome offends my racial pride. |
| 19:59.38 | Lopeppeppy | Dragons suck it. |
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| 19:59.52 | NightHawkTheSane | also, dragons disguising themselves as other races is not a warcraft-specific thing |
| 20:00.04 | Lopeppeppy | I know. Nasty tricky dragons. |
| 20:00.10 | NightHawkTheSane | its a fairly common element of dragon lore across mythologies |
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| 20:05.57 | brykrys | When you meet a gnome, just say "George!". If he flinches, he's a dragon |
| 20:06.09 | brykrys | and you should kill him |
| 20:06.39 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* What if it's a she-thing though? |
| 20:06.48 | brykrys | (If he doesn't flinch, he's a gnome, and you should kill him anyway, just on principal) |
| 20:08.03 | AbsolutRayne | Come to think of it |
| 20:08.48 | AbsolutRayne | Ive never seen Lopeppeppys toons |
| 20:08.49 | AbsolutRayne | <_< |
| 20:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | Why not, AbsolutRayne? |
| 20:09.06 | AbsolutRayne | Dunno |
| 20:09.13 | AbsolutRayne | You just use me for my UI, and run off |
| 20:09.14 | AbsolutRayne | :< |
| 20:09.25 | Lopeppeppy | Ladayne - Kirin Tor, Lopeppeppy, Argent Dawn |
| 20:10.44 | brykrys | hrm, if you find a female dragon (or gnome) kill her politely. I wuz brought up to always be polite to females |
| 20:10.49 | AbsolutRayne | Protip: making Grilled Cheese with Tex Mex Shredded Cheese yields amazing results |
| 20:10.58 | Lopeppeppy | Being polite is never a bad thing, brykrys |
| 20:11.15 | brykrys | tis true |
| 20:14.09 | AbsolutRayne | Hmm |
| 20:14.51 | Lopeppeppy | Hmmm? |
| 20:14.55 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, evil genius? |
| 20:15.24 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: http://i44.tinypic.com/15yzvhj.jpg |
| 20:15.37 | AbsolutRayne | Ignore the buff frames, obviously |
| 20:16.28 | Stanzilla | the font looks really blurry |
| 20:16.53 | AbsolutRayne | Im going to change it |
| 20:16.57 | AbsolutRayne | But I just dont know what to |
| 20:17.20 | Stanzilla | what is it? visitor? |
| 20:17.46 | AbsolutRayne | its called Silkscreen |
| 20:17.51 | Lopeppeppy | I like it, AbsolutRayne. I don't think the "loss" of the fade out is that huge. |
| 20:18.10 | Stanzilla | try visitor 2 then :) |
| 20:18.20 | cog|work | Anyone up for some nostalgia? Calling all TradeWars players to Cogwheel's Workshop! telnet://remote.cogwheel.info:2002 |
| 20:18.33 | Lopeppeppy | Did you expand, Cog? |
| 20:18.51 | cog|work | yeah, i caved to my own pressure :P |
| 20:19.32 | AbsolutRayne | I dont suppose theres a Global Font option anywhere? |
| 20:20.44 | Stanzilla | AbsolutRayne: that's how visitor looks btw http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw14809.jpg |
| 20:21.30 | AbsolutRayne | Im switching to it now, I like it |
| 20:22.01 | Stanzilla | :) |
| 20:22.03 | AbsolutRayne | Whos UI is that, I really like the top bar O_o |
| 20:22.15 | Stanzilla | mine |
| 20:22.19 | alestane | I always thought this was brilliant: http://nodwick.humor.gamespy.com/gamespyarchive/index.php?date=2001-12-19 |
| 20:22.37 | AbsolutRayne | Really? Nice |
| 20:22.58 | Stanzilla | thanks :) |
| 20:23.08 | Stanzilla | but I don't use it anymore :/ |
| 20:23.14 | AbsolutRayne | Hmm |
| 20:23.15 | Lopeppeppy | Cog, not like it's hard to convince you to be more of a geek, dear. |
| 20:23.39 | Stanzilla | I took that shot because funkeh wanted something for the StatBlockCore project page |
| 20:23.41 | cog|work | >< |
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| 20:24.45 | AbsolutRayne | The only thing that might bother me is that this fonts seems to like to hug onto the bottom of the frame. :S |
| 20:24.48 | AbsolutRayne | IE: http://i41.tinypic.com/33o7dzb.jpg |
| 20:24.59 | AbsolutRayne | Especially with the ToT |
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| 20:25.42 | Stanzilla | hrm yeah. just make the bar a bit thicker? |
| 20:26.13 | Shirik | rawr |
| 20:26.19 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 20:26.21 | Lopeppeppy | Heya again, Shirik. |
| 20:26.37 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:26.40 | AbsolutRayne | aaaaahhhhh ffs, I must have deleted a frame I was parenting things to, half my panels are gone >_< |
| 20:26.41 | Lopeppeppy | Feeling happier now that your presentation is over, Shirik? |
| 20:26.46 | Shirik | somewhat |
| 20:27.07 | AbsolutRayne | and its throwing errors at me like 'I hate yooooooou' |
| 20:27.10 | Dagmar | You weren't telling people about how lag works, were you? |
| 20:27.44 | Lopeppeppy | Lag *doesn't* work. |
| 20:28.48 | AbsolutRayne | damnit, I do NOT want to rework all my panels >_< |
| 20:28.54 | Dagmar | Yeah I was stupid and got myself promoted to raid assistant for this weekend after explaining why a low-latency person needed to be running DBM as backup |
| 20:29.12 | Dagmar | ...since like half our people are in NZ or AU |
| 20:30.03 | AbsolutRayne | isgyoaigyaosgiyaogi ffs |
| 20:30.07 | Syzgyn | Is WoWWiki up to date, or can I use GetRealZoneText() immediately following a ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA now? |
| 20:30.08 | foxlit | You're making changes in an actively developed environment without source control? |
| 20:30.09 | foxlit | Go you! |
| 20:30.29 | Dagmar | foxlit: Just gotta type real fast. :) |
| 20:31.13 | KarlKFI | lol Shirik got jipped of his huggles |
| 20:31.19 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:32.40 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, I'm off for home, guys. See ya. |
| 20:32.40 | KarlKFI | got to be one of the best macros Gryphon's ever written |
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| 20:32.40 | Gryphen | lol |
| 20:32.40 | AbsolutRayne | god damnit |
| 20:32.40 | Shirik | >< |
| 20:32.40 | AbsolutRayne | I have to rework all these frames |
| 20:32.40 | AbsolutRayne | >_< |
| 20:32.40 | KarlKFI | :-D |
| 20:32.40 | AbsolutRayne | cya Peppy |
| 20:32.43 | KarlKFI | everyone need huggles! |
| 20:33.04 | NightHawkTheSane | http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/03/12/god_hates_figs |
| 20:33.29 | foxlit | ++ |
| 20:34.30 | KarlKFI | so... you know he was tyalkign to the TREE that wasn't bearing figs.. not all figs everywhere... |
| 20:35.05 | Shirik | ok night |
| 20:37.28 | KarlKFI | come on there's even a wikipedia page on it... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fig_Tree |
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| 20:43.13 | foxlit | Wonder why I get shoddy graphics performance in Dalaran |
| 20:43.17 | foxlit | But not in dalaran sewers |
| 20:44.20 | Dagmar | Smaller view distance to be worried about probably |
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| 20:44.46 | kraftman | dont think it bothers thinking about all the other scenery whie you are indoors |
| 20:45.19 | kraftman | as you get towards the exit pipe of the sewers it starts gettign bad again >< |
| 20:45.21 | foxlit | Vsync is eating frames, apparently. |
| 20:45.57 | kraftman | i get better framerate on crysis then wow :( |
| 20:45.57 | Dagmar | Well, there's probably an upper limit on the draw distance it'll care about that overrides what you set with the slider when you're in an area that has little view distance |
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| 20:46.24 | Dagmar | kraftman: That's probably got more to do with crysis playing shell games than anything else |
| 20:46.45 | Cide | ping? |
| 20:47.06 | Cairenn | pong |
| 20:47.07 | kraftman | whats a shell game? :( |
| 20:47.12 | Dagmar | Is there some reason you can't type /ping Cide |
| 20:47.19 | durcyn | eh, wow's graphics engine is highly cpu-bound, that's not really surprising |
| 20:47.35 | Fisker- | They're doing the same 3d tricks in the sewers |
| 20:47.39 | kraftman | doesnt use much of my CPU tbh |
| 20:47.58 | Dagmar | kraftman: The little game people lose money to in the subways where tehy have a peanut and three overturned cups and the game master slides all teh cups around and then says "So which one is it under?" |
| 20:48.36 | kraftman | ahh i see |
| 20:48.50 | kraftman | how does that relate? >< |
| 20:49.40 | Dagmar | kraftman: Because Crysis likes to "auto-adjust" it's settings so that things they think you're less likely to notice get turned off |
| 20:49.51 | Dagmar | Like, textures larger than about 16x16 |
| 20:50.08 | Dagmar | ...or "people more than twenty feet away" |
| 20:50.14 | kraftman | why cant wow do the same? |
| 20:50.58 | Dagmar | Because you woulnd't be very happy if you couldn't see anyone coming for you until they were already within casting distance |
| 20:51.05 | kraftman | hmm |
| 20:51.17 | kraftman | i can see people a lot further away on crysis then wow :S |
| 20:51.33 | Dagmar | You also don't see as many of them |
| 20:51.49 | kraftman | yeh thats true |
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| 20:55.16 | Thunder_Child | i like custom msessing with the settings in dev mode....but my fps takes such a hit |
| 20:55.35 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: you know by chance a guy by the IRC name of Enma_Hinobara? |
| 20:55.51 | KarlKFI | yes |
| 20:56.01 | foxlit | hm, should spend more time reading git manual. |
| 20:56.05 | ScytheBlade1 | He just pasted me some of your IRC chat elsewhere, ha |
| 20:56.10 | foxlit | Want to find a file that I removed a while ago |
| 20:56.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Small (internet) world ;P |
| 20:57.03 | KarlKFI | aye, He hangs out in a chat room for a mac forum that was alive when i was doing SC modding. |
| 20:57.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That rings a faint bell |
| 20:58.12 | KarlKFI | orly? |
| 20:58.38 | Thunder_Child | mac geeks |
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| 21:03.46 | Thunder_Child | $5 says this takes longer than 2-3 years http://www.rlslog.net/scientists-discover-batteries-recharging-in-seconds/ |
| 21:04.38 | ScytheBlade1 | $10 says it'll never happen due to initial cost of the batteries and the current battery 'monopoly' that various companies have over their devices |
| 21:04.40 | kraftman | wowwiki down for anyone else? |
| 21:04.51 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 21:04.57 | kraftman | ty |
| 21:04.57 | KarlKFI | <-- ran customs.macstarcraft.com, compiled pretty much 3/4 of all mac mpq mods in existance (usually fromt heir windows versions), and is friends with the author of MPQ2K, MPQKit, and Emerald Edit |
| 21:05.03 | Thunder_Child | it even has a message |
| 21:05.26 | kraftman | ahh it does now ^^ |
| 21:05.26 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 21:05.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Good ol' Q |
| 21:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Never touched EE, but the reasons there should be obvious |
| 21:06.28 | ScytheBlade1 | (indirectly) |
| 21:07.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Trying to get the data back from SW right now, just to run a utils mirror |
| 21:07.20 | ScytheBlade1 | But it is not looking up |
| 21:08.33 | KarlKFI | does saturday count as a shipping business day? |
| 21:08.37 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 21:08.43 | Thunder_Child | i wish |
| 21:08.56 | KarlKFI | but they deliver on saturdays... |
| 21:09.01 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 21:09.05 | KarlKFI | >.< |
| 21:09.11 | Thunder_Child | but it's just a nicety |
| 21:09.18 | Thunder_Child | to make them more desierable |
| 21:09.31 | ScytheBlade1 | You can call "them" up and have them hold it at their local distribution center (which may or may not be close to you) |
| 21:09.36 | ScytheBlade1 | And pick it up Saturday |
| 21:09.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I get to do that with my new i7 CPU this weekend |
| 21:09.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid newegg being slow on shipping |
| 21:10.14 | KarlKFI | im buying a refurb xbox for a gaming orgy on saturday |
| 21:10.44 | KarlKFI | $66 shipping gg |
| 21:10.44 | Thunder_Child | and waiting till the last minute? |
| 21:10.51 | KarlKFI | of course! |
| 21:10.56 | Thunder_Child | serves you right then |
| 21:11.22 | KarlKFI | hey it was onyl my birthday yesterday.... and i got a gas grill instead of an xbox, so I'm buying it myself |
| 21:11.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd take the grill |
| 21:11.54 | KarlKFI | the grill is nice, but it's missing an ignition button so i have to trade that in anyway... |
| 21:11.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, fail |
| 21:12.08 | KarlKFI | pretty much |
| 21:12.10 | foxlit | whoah |
| 21:12.14 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes it is |
| 21:12.47 | foxlit | wrecks any chance I have of persuading people to use it or submit it |
| 21:13.35 | foxlit | It'd be nice if its data (say over the last... 3 minutes?) was accessible in-game; I could then filter the interesting things. |
| 21:14.09 | durcyn | what are you looking for specifically, foxlit |
| 21:14.37 | durcyn | if it involves opie and 3.1, i'll submit whatever logs you want |
| 21:14.39 | foxlit | An error I cannot reproduce that ends up tainting what should not have been taintable |
| 21:16.08 | foxlit | I'm not overly concerned about 3.1; that'll finally break some functionality, but it's going to be relatively trivial to edit it out |
| 21:18.19 | foxlit | (and I'm sure I would've heard something if you were experiencing errors on live with the latest version) |
| 21:18.57 | durcyn | no, i've been meaning to kvetch at you about PTR though. |
| 21:19.18 | foxlit | Nothing major, they broke my exploit :) |
| 21:19.46 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 21:40.24 | Dashkal | *blinks* Ok, this likely needs more tweaking. With the current build, DS will end up doing more damage than Oblit... |
| 21:41.07 | foxlit | hooksecurefunc("error", foo); << fails in so many ways |
| 21:45.40 | pnorman | Hey, I'm really not sure what categories to tag my addon as. It adds DKP tooltips based on some formula to items. |
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| 21:55.55 | nevcairiel | Anyone got a framexml diff done yet? |
| 21:56.04 | nevcairiel | (new ptr build, of course) |
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| 21:59.17 | Maldivia | haven't event downloaded the patch yet :) |
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| 21:59.46 | NeoTron | pnorman: there are at times lack of proper categories for an addon... |
| 21:59.47 | Tekkub | is the build up? |
| 22:00.00 | nevcairiel | not on the downloader |
| 22:00.22 | Tekkub | then no, I dun haf a diff yet :P |
| 22:00.25 | nevcairiel | but you can probably get it directly if you know the build number |
| 22:00.39 | nevcairiel | i just forget the url everytime again |
| 22:00.46 | Tekkub | I'm not *that* impatient :P |
| 22:01.10 | nevcairiel | i am deciding if i should sleep now and check in the morning |
| 22:01.22 | Tekkub | yes, piss off |
| 22:01.33 | Tekkub | it's just a PTR build :P |
| 22:01.46 | nevcairiel | I'm bored =( |
| 22:01.53 | Tekkub | wank |
| 22:02.05 | Tekkub | write an addon |
| 22:02.15 | Tekkub | learn to knit |
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| 22:05.51 | foxlit | Does anyone still mess with geterrorhandler()/seterrorhandler() to prevent hooking? |
| 22:07.44 | Tekkub | uh, I use set to set the error handler in tekErr.... |
| 22:08.13 | foxlit | And not call the old one at all? |
| 22:11.03 | Maldivia | 146mb patch |
| 22:11.04 | Tekkub | no, the point of tekErr is to catch error into a nice log |
| 22:11.14 | foxlit | which is unfortunate |
| 22:11.15 | Tekkub | instead of the useless popups |
| 22:11.46 | Tekkub | unfortunate? |
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| 22:15.49 | foxlit | yes, since that makes conflicts somewhat viable. |
| 22:18.21 | Tekkub | why would there be conflicts? |
| 22:18.34 | foxlit | Because another addon might want access to the same data. |
| 22:18.46 | Tekkub | why would you use two error catchers? |
| 22:19.19 | Tekkub | that's like running two actionbar addons.. |
| 22:19.31 | foxlit | Because one might not do something the other does. |
| 22:19.48 | Lunessa | LOL - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15673099484&sid=1 "Not alt trolling or anything my main forum account just got perma banned >< " |
| 22:20.27 | Tekkub | then use the other |
| 22:20.40 | foxlit | The relationship might apply to both. |
| 22:20.52 | Tekkub | then write a new one that does what you need |
| 22:21.44 | foxlit | They might also be domain-specific. |
| 22:22.15 | foxlit | So the addon I'm writing might want to know about the errors it caused, and deal with them in some special way. So could someone else's addon. |
| 22:22.52 | foxlit | The long-winded point is that you should probably call whatever the old handler was. |
| 22:22.57 | Dashkal | Does the PTR have free respecs? |
| 22:23.00 | Tekkub | uhm, in that case it's probably better you make liberal use of pcall |
| 22:23.11 | foxlit | I would if I could. |
| 22:23.24 | foxlit | And just set the scriptErrors CVar to nil to block the default UI error box. |
| 22:24.01 | Tekkub | uhm, pcall doesn't trigger the errors, it returns them to you to handle or raise |
| 22:24.07 | Maldivia | Dashkal: pay 1000g, and you can freely change between your two talent sets :) |
| 22:24.14 | foxlit | I'm familiar with what pcall does, thank you. |
| 22:24.24 | foxlit | I cannot apply it to code that is supposed to run securely. |
| 22:24.35 | Dashkal | Maldivia: *shakes* I was wondering if it was locked at 1c like in the beta. Just wondering. I have a few specs to try out |
| 22:24.48 | Hirsute | So, if I have a nested block: if foo == bar then baz = bar break end, and I want to change it to incorporate an else... how do I do it? changing it to if then else break end seems to force it to always hit the else case. |
| 22:25.11 | Dashkal | I suspect that for blood, talenting IT and PS will make the two of them do more damage than oblit and/or DS |
| 22:25.32 | Dashkal | I need to do some testing tonight |
| 22:25.56 | Maldivia | Dashkal: and you dont have 500g to bring to the PTR so you have gold for 10 respecs? |
| 22:26.20 | Dashkal | Maldivia: I have 6k on my PTR character. It won't kill me if I have to respec each time. So I take it you don't know the answer? |
| 22:26.36 | Maldivia | Dashkal: last I checked it was normal price |
| 22:26.40 | Dashkal | kk, fair enough |
| 22:26.53 | Maldivia | Dashkal: but haven't payed since first patch when I bought dual spec |
| 22:26.54 | Dashkal | I have 3 more copies. Worst case I send over anotehr 7k :p |
| 22:27.28 | Dashkal | I'm totally amused that my solo blood spec just gained a pet... |
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| 22:30.10 | Maldivia | Dashkal: 5x/x/16 build ? |
| 22:30.34 | Dashkal | 53/0/18 for my solo build |
| 22:30.46 | Dashkal | OaPH is mandatory in my solo builds |
| 22:31.31 | mikma | http://mikma.pastey.net/110092 anyone thinks theres more reagents to track (important ones) |
| 22:31.32 | Maldivia | looked at the ptr talents? |
| 22:32.16 | Maldivia | mikma: lower ranks of candle, leaf and seed? |
| 22:32.53 | Lunessa | Hirsute: pastey the code. |
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| 22:33.23 | Hirsute | Lunessa: I actually just figured out what I was doing wrong. |
| 22:33.50 | Hirsute | I don't want a "break" in this code at all. |
| 22:33.53 | mikma | maldivia: no idea to support that lowlevel crap |
| 22:34.02 | Lunessa | Hirsute: Good. |
| 22:34.22 | mikma | needs a huge database of spells and levels to track if they are added |
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| 22:35.09 | maccampus | hello |
| 22:35.39 | maccampus | i need to dl the cosmos plugins for WoW 2.4.3 |
| 22:35.51 | mikma | get out with your private servers |
| 22:36.56 | Dashkal | ~private |
| 22:37.01 | Dashkal | hrm, need a factoid for that |
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| 22:38.16 | Dashkal | purl, private is <reply>We do not support, discuss, or acknowledge private servers. If it isn't about retail, go away. |
| 22:38.17 | purl | okay, Dashkal |
| 22:38.42 | kraftman | haha |
| 22:39.53 | Tekkub | is china still on 2.4.3? |
| 22:40.05 | foxlit | yes. |
| 22:40.08 | foxlit | or maybe |
| 22:40.11 | Tekkub | or 3.0-sans-wraf |
| 22:40.12 | foxlit | They aren't on wotlk, anyway |
| 22:40.15 | Dashkal | mmm, good question. I saw on /. today that WotLK isn't being released there |
| 22:40.45 | mikma | ~be |
| 22:40.45 | purl | be is, like, Beryllium. Belgium |
| 22:41.39 | alestane | Blizz's representative company hasn't been able to get permission to release something with that much undeadness in it. |
| 22:42.21 | Hirsute | I believe China is on 3.0, just not Wrath. |
| 22:42.35 | Dashkal | So (assuming wotlk never gets released) what happens next xpack? China just gets a level skip 70->80? |
| 22:43.24 | NeoTron | sucks to be china |
| 22:43.54 | mikma | lol yeah |
| 22:43.58 | mikma | wrath of the undeads |
| 22:44.28 | Dashkal | Or maybe they'll just cut their losses and give us Pandarens :p |
| 22:45.14 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: got your diff? |
| 22:47.12 | ZorbaBeta | dashkal, they'll figure out some way to hack it down so it's releasable in China |
| 22:47.32 | Dashkal | heh, remove the undead factor and there's not really much left |
| 22:47.33 | ZorbaBeta | instead of Arthas's hordes of Undead, you'll just have to slaughter teletubbies or something |
| 22:48.00 | ZorbaBeta | (the plot will become extremely confusing) |
| 22:48.11 | Dashkal | Easy achievement (yes I know its a PH): Stokin' the Furnace (Defeat Ignis the Furnace Master in 2 seconds on Normal Difficulty.) |
| 22:49.11 | Dashkal | Win: But I'm on Your Side (Defeat the Iron Council while under the effect of a Steel Boot Flask on Normal Difficulty.) |
| 22:49.12 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 22:49.51 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: http://patchdiff.pastey.net/110094 |
| 22:51.42 | Maldivia | hmm... RAID_INSTANCE_LOCK_EXTENDED = "Your instance lock for %s has been extended."; |
| 22:51.55 | ScytheBlade1 | o_0 |
| 22:54.22 | Dashkal | Must have: Crazy Cat Lady (Defeat Auriaya while doing something cool on Normal Difficulty.) |
| 22:55.43 | Dashkal | How long is this fight? "He's Not Getting Any Older (Defeat Yogg-Saron within 22 minutes on Normal Difficulty.)" |
| 22:56.08 | Dewin | maybe they meant within 2 minutes? Or within 22 minutes of entering the raid? |
| 22:56.34 | Dashkal | Well, it is the end, so a half hour fight isn't beyond reason. Though a little brutal. |
| 22:56.53 | Tekkub | "In Amazon's case, they don't actually have a lot of balls, because inventory is costly; but their highly optimized JIT supply chain management practices apparently allow them to order the balls they need, when they need them, on very short notice." |
| 22:57.21 | ScytheBlade1 | nothing quite like /. |
| 23:01.11 | Thunder_Child | anyone know a simple mod for replicating the friends/ignores list across all chars? |
| 23:01.35 | alestane | FriendsWithBenefits |
| 23:03.07 | AbsolutRayne | dee doo dum |
| 23:06.59 | foxlit | FrameXML.log: Binding TOGGLECURRENCY is defined more than once in Interface\FrameXML\Bindings.xml |
| 23:09.58 | Thunder_Child | thanks alestane, though i was hoping to avoid Tekkub addons....oh well |
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| 23:15.21 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: FriendsShare perhaps... I /think/ it still works. |
| 23:15.34 | Thunder_Child | i was kidding Lunessa, but thanks for playing |
| 23:16.08 | Lunessa | You, if I look up inattentive and gullible I believe they have my picture in the dictionary... |
| 23:16.40 | Dewin | Nonsense. Gullible isn't even in the dictionary. |
| 23:16.49 | Thunder_Child | yes, next to a picture of my cousin |
| 23:19.20 | NeoTron | heh there are 8 achieevments for Flame Leviathan |
| 23:20.28 | kd3 | geez this is a big ptr build |
| 23:20.34 | kd3 | 65 megs and counting |
| 23:24.06 | Lunessa | kd3: Probably means lots of map data. |
| 23:27.58 | NeoTron | Defeat 1000 Iron Dwarves with Razorscale's Flame Breath within 2 seconds on Heroic Difficulty. <== hmm. I hope that's not finalized numbers :P |
| 23:28.10 | NeoTron | if it is you'll have a heck of a lot of iron dwarves to deal with :P |
| 23:28.12 | kd3 | nearly all of them are placeholders |
| 23:28.28 | kd3 | "defeat boss x in 12 seconds" shows up a few times |
| 23:28.46 | Gnarfoz | 22 minutes for Y-S seems excessive, too ^^ |
| 23:28.58 | kd3 | how long were nef kills on average? |
| 23:29.15 | kd3 | 15-20 minutes? |
| 23:29.39 | End | I think our first was almost 30 |
| 23:29.43 | NeoTron | my first nef kill was 30m |
| 23:29.48 | End | I dunno what it ended up settling on though |
| 23:29.49 | NeoTron | illidan well over 20m |
| 23:36.09 | foxlit | Illidan's berserk is around 25m? |
| 23:36.28 | foxlit | *was. |
| 23:36.53 | Gnarfoz | is? |
| 23:37.14 | foxlit | I was under the impression that they relaxed it on whining, but perhaps not |
| 23:37.27 | NeoTron | is |
| 23:37.34 | kd3 | it's 30ish iirc. the only reason it's there is to stop exploits. it got reduced once on accident |
| 23:37.35 | NeoTron | it was bugged at 15 minutes for a while |
| 23:38.25 | End | I dunno, wowwiki claims most first illidan kills should be around 16 minutes with typical gear /shrug |
| 23:39.08 | kd3 | hm, it is 25m |
| 23:39.12 | End | (I don't remember what ours was though) |
| 23:43.13 | NeoTron | "typical gear"... |
| 23:43.21 | NeoTron | no first kills of illidan will be nowhere near 16m |
| 23:43.29 | NeoTron | s/will be/would have been/ |
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| 23:45.43 | kd3 | diff emails out momentarily. anyone not on my list want a copy? |
| 23:46.21 | NeoTron | are you going to fill my gmail acount with gazillion of free bits soon? |
| 23:46.27 | NeoTron | how large was the diff in he end? |
| 23:46.41 | kd3 | 9658-9684 is about 120k |
| 23:47.27 | kd3 | uncompressed, live->ptr is about 1.5M |
| 23:47.43 | NeoTron | not too bad |
| 23:48.42 | kd3 | emails away |
| 23:49.22 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: that is worse than over here. 50F last sunday, which is pretty darn warm considering. The next day we had 3" of snow. |
| 23:49.25 | ScytheBlade1 | -.- |
| 23:51.49 | p3lim | Hm |
| 23:51.49 | p3lim | Just transfered my druid, but I need a new name for it |
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| 23:54.39 | kd3 | +RAID_INSTANCE_EXPIRES_EXTENDED = "Expires in %1$s (extended)"; -- 1 - expiry time |
| 23:54.40 | kd3 | ? |
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| 23:55.58 | jaxdahl | an option to extend the reset time, if you're doing an heroic just before the daily reset? |
| 23:56.12 | kd3 | good guess as any |
| 23:56.26 | kd3 | +RAID_INSTANCE_WELCOME_LOCKED = "Welcome to %s. Your instance lock is scheduled to expire in %s."; |
| 23:56.26 | kd3 | +RAID_INSTANCE_WELCOME_LOCKED_EXTENDED = "Welcome to %s. Your instance lock is scheduled to expire in %s (extended)."; |
| 23:56.44 | ZorbaBeta | that seems lower-priority than fixing the whoops-now-I'm-saved-to-a-cleared-instance issue, though |
| 23:56.51 | ZorbaBeta | maybe they're fixing them both simultaneously? |
| 23:56.55 | kd3 | it's already been fixed |
| 23:57.08 | ZorbaBeta | oh, really? nice, missed that. what do they do, pop up a dialog when you're about to zone in? |
| 23:57.11 | kd3 | "You will be saved to this instance in x s. Leave?" |
| 23:57.21 | ZorbaBeta | very nice |
| 23:58.00 | jaxdahl | yea that was added last build or the one before that |
| 23:58.11 | ZorbaBeta | <3 blizz |
