| 00:00.23 | Dewin | Some of the factories themselves operate an additional shift where they build a component based on the specifications but using cheaper parts. |
| 00:00.48 | Kaso | wow |
| 00:00.52 | Jamash | interesting |
| 00:01.53 | Kaso | I guess in this case its getting so rampant because unlike other knockoffs where there is at least some cost associated with the manufacture, here its just an algorithm, signing key, whatever, and cheap as nothing printing |
| 00:02.03 | Dewin | So, you contract with a manufacturer to make, say, routers. |
| 00:02.09 | Dewin | They make your routers during the day |
| 00:02.36 | Dewin | then at night they switch to the tubs of cheap parts and other workers and make cheap knockoffs that they, through a few layers of indirection, sell as the real thing. |
| 00:03.14 | Jamash | that there is the free market at work |
| 00:03.15 | Dewin | and usually the ultimate buyer doesn't end up knowing it's fake until they go to get support and the manufacturer is like "That's not a valid serial number." |
| 00:03.33 | Dewin | this is beyond free market stuff. |
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| 00:03.55 | Dewin | schematics for circuit boards, etc. are usually trade secrets. |
| 00:04.36 | Jamash | I was being sarcastic |
| 00:04.45 | Jamash | but only partially |
| 00:04.47 | Codayus | Ah, good. I was going to say... |
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| 00:05.39 | Jamash | it actually *is* the free market, free of stuff like, y'know, laws |
| 00:05.59 | Dewin | you know, Laws? http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/2/28/ |
| 00:06.13 | Jamash | indeed |
| 00:06.23 | Dewin | (I read PA occasionally, I have that strip boomkarked(tm) for some reason) |
| 00:06.27 | Codayus | Jamash: But since that's not at all what the phrase "free market" means, it's kind of random... |
| 00:06.56 | Jamash | the term "free market" generally means what the speaker / writer wants it to mean |
| 00:06.59 | Kaso | Depends if you ask the hardcore libertarians |
| 00:07.05 | Jamash | cf. Dumpty, H. |
| 00:07.20 | Kaso | yah, some of the randites and stuff would be perfectly happy with no government imposed legal s |
| 00:07.23 | Kaso | system |
| 00:07.30 | Kaso | Well the hardcore ones |
| 00:07.46 | Codayus | Kaso: Erm, I'm not one personally...but that's 100% wrong. The entire POINT of hardcore libertarianism is property rights. |
| 00:07.59 | Jamash | property shmoperty |
| 00:08.22 | Codayus | You could not - should you try - more completely mistate the hardcore libertarian/Objectivist/whatever viewpoint. :) |
| 00:08.29 | Dewin | I develop hi-tech product X. You sign a contract with me to fabricate it, complete with a nondisclosure agreement/etc. You start fabricating cheap knockoff Y. Is that the "free market" or "breach of contract?" |
| 00:08.54 | Dewin | clarification: fabricate cheap knockoff Y using the information that's under contract for product X |
| 00:09.09 | Jamash | the point of hardcore libertarianism is to want only laws that benefit you personally, you being someone rich |
| 00:09.22 | Jamash | thus property rights |
| 00:10.04 | Jamash | I don't believe in liberterianism, in the same way I don't believe in the tooth fairy |
| 00:10.28 | Codayus | Jamash: Perhaps. The viewpoint doesn't appeal to me, and I'm not interested in defending it. Nonetheless, "free markets" rest on property rights and respecting contracts, and nobody is more ideologically commited to property rights and the sanctity of contracts than a hardcore libertarian. |
| 00:10.39 | Codayus | Whatever their motivation. |
| 00:10.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ... are you saying libererianism left quarters under your pillow at night as a child? |
| 00:10.50 | Jamash | sure, why not |
| 00:11.28 | Codayus | (Of course, whether or not IP is "really |
| 00:11.41 | Jamash | My point is not that "free market" means something in particular, my point is that "free market" means nothing at all |
| 00:11.46 | Dewin | I'm of a mixed mind with IP. |
| 00:11.52 | Jamash | to one point of view, it means property above all |
| 00:11.53 | Codayus | (Of course, whether or not IP is "really" property, and whether copyright and patent laws actually respect "real" rights is another question...) |
| 00:12.00 | Dewin | software patents are evil in general. |
| 00:12.01 | Jamash | to another it means strict regulatory apparatus |
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| 00:12.28 | Jamash | you can argue "free markets" all the way from libertarianism to socialism |
| 00:12.31 | Codayus | Jamash: Your point is wrong. It has a well defined and widely accepted meaning. *shrug* |
| 00:12.44 | Jamash | it has several well defined and widely accepted meanings |
| 00:13.57 | Codayus | Jamash: Sure, and none of them cover what you wish they did. |
| 00:15.30 | Jamash | free markets are free of regulation as much as possible |
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| 00:16.13 | Jamash | free markets are also free from force used to prevent competition among buyers and sellers (free competition) |
| 00:16.26 | Codayus | But they *always* respect contracts and property rights. The argument is over how much - and what kind - of regulation is needed. But your original argument is that free markets are compatible with not having property rights, and that's rediculous on its face. |
| 00:16.46 | Jamash | a large amount of regulation is necessary to prevent force being used to prevent competition |
| 00:17.03 | Jamash | therefore, free markets are inherently self-contradictory, QED |
| 00:17.51 | Codayus | No. Free markets are about a minimum about of regulation, not no regulation. Plus, that unrelated to your initial point, which is where you really went wrong. |
| 00:22.44 | Jamash | as you, yourself pointed out, whether copyrights, trademarks, patents, trade secrets are actually property is debatable |
| 00:23.25 | foxlit | #not-math, go? :) |
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| 00:24.27 | Jamash | one can argue that a system without the copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret regulatory apparatuses is actually freer than one with |
| 00:24.54 | Jamash | so, pirated itunes gift cards = the free market at work |
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| 00:27.02 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/fda_approves_salmonella |
| 00:28.40 | Jamash | nice |
| 00:28.40 | Thunder_Child | so mages have no self conjured food/water past 75? |
| 00:28.40 | Jamash | really? that's weird |
| 00:28.43 | Thunder_Child | or 70 rather |
| 00:28.52 | NightHawkTheSane | eh? |
| 00:29.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Conjure Refreshment? |
| 00:29.22 | Thunder_Child | note the self |
| 00:29.36 | Thunder_Child | or is that? |
| 00:29.37 | NightHawkTheSane | yes.. |
| 00:29.47 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=42956 |
| 00:29.57 | NightHawkTheSane | vs, http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=58659 |
| 00:30.14 | Jamash | mmm, mana pie |
| 00:30.30 | NightHawkTheSane | strudel, but yeah |
| 00:30.44 | Thunder_Child | ok, thanks |
| 00:31.14 | Codayus | Jamash: Doesn't really follow. You're jumpting from "there are legitamate arugments about software patents" to "theft is part of the free market". It doesn't follow. |
| 00:31.47 | Jamash | it's not theft |
| 00:32.04 | Jamash | it's unauthorized use of a mathematical formula |
| 00:32.35 | Jamash | I didn't say "software patents", I said copyright, trademark, patent and trade secret |
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| 00:35.09 | Jamash | each of those is a limited, non-property right |
| 00:35.54 | Codayus | Irrelevant; the issue isn't distribution of an arguably legally protected algorithm. |
| 00:36.24 | foxlit | fake itunes gift cards? |
| 00:36.41 | foxlit | How would you like to purchase some counterfeit federal reserve notes instead? :) |
| 00:37.13 | Codayus | foxlit: Exactly. :) |
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| 00:37.41 | Codayus | Counterfeit currency is not "the free market at work". |
| 00:38.00 | Jamash | I would take issue with the notion that itunes gift cards are currency |
| 00:40.17 | Thunder_Child | take issue all you want but it fits the definition of currency |
| 00:41.05 | Thunder_Child | it is something that can be exchanged for goods or services |
| 00:41.27 | Gnarfoz | what goods does the ITMS offer? |
| 00:41.48 | foxlit | OR. |
| 00:41.54 | Thunder_Child | just because the goods are digital doesnt make them any less |
| 00:42.04 | Jamash | wait, what? |
| 00:42.13 | Codayus | Technically, it would probably be more accurate to call it scrip rather than currency. The distinction seems irrelevent in this context. :-) |
| 00:42.21 | Jamash | I think it's highly relevant |
| 00:43.02 | Jamash | if I start issuing Jamash currency which is a picture of a potato drawn in crayon, am I afforded legal protection if someone tries to redeem a picture of a potato that they drew in crayon? |
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| 00:44.34 | Codayus | Jamash: ...you need to ask? |
| 00:44.44 | Jamash | Yes. |
| 00:45.08 | Codayus | The answer is yes. You have legal protection from people trying to perpetrate all sorts of fraud, forgery, conterfeiting, or other forms of theft. |
| 00:45.11 | Thunder_Child | actually i bet you are afforded leagl protection with the itunes gift acrds |
| 00:45.18 | Thunder_Child | cards* |
| 00:45.55 | Jamash | So, I can make it illegal for anyone else to draw pictures of potatoes in crayon? Kickass. Consider it done. |
| 00:45.56 | Codayus | You cannot forge stock certificates, bonds, script, currency, gift certificates, warranty cards, contracts, agreements, local currencies, casino chips, subway tokens, or ANYTHING ELSE. |
| 00:46.32 | Thunder_Child | Jamash, no, they can, they simply can not use that forged item for good/services |
| 00:46.41 | Codayus | You are being willfully obtuse. Duplicating your potato drawing may or may not be copyright, depending on laws, jurisdiction, fair use, blah blah blah. |
| 00:46.46 | Codayus | Redeeming it is fraud, and illegal. |
| 00:46.55 | Thunder_Child | there is no "copyright" on the currency |
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| 00:47.56 | Jamash | Let's have a further example. Let's say I set up the iJamash store in which you can purchase iJamash products with iJamash points, which I issue as little cards with serial numbers on them |
| 00:48.10 | Jamash | Now let's further say that my serial number algorithm is y = x |
| 00:48.32 | Jamash | did kd3 just commit a federal crime? |
| 00:48.57 | Thunder_Child | ninja=theft=crime |
| 00:49.05 | Corrodias | probably. having made so little effort, you -might- not be able to get the legal system to care. |
| 00:49.21 | Corrodias | since it amounts to an honor system |
| 00:49.35 | Jamash | so, some math formulas are protected, but not others |
| 00:49.51 | Codayus | Jamash: Depends on your TOU, where kd3 is, where you are, relevant case law, blah blah blah. Since your going out of your way...yeah, what Corrodias said. I'd suspect it would be illegal even so; fraud is fraud, and would be even if you had NO serial number. |
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| 00:50.07 | Corrodias | i don't know. i'm no lawyer. i'm just handing out advice without a license. |
| 00:50.25 | Codayus | Jamash: Nope, formula wouldn't be (or might be, but only seperatly). If you were able to prosecute someone for telling people your formula, it'd be under entirely seperate laws. |
| 00:50.43 | Codayus | It's got NOTHING to do with what formula you may or may not have, and which may or may not be protected. |
| 00:51.02 | Jamash | I'm sorry? What's got nothing to do with what formula etc.? |
| 00:53.18 | Codayus | Whether or not stealing iJamash products is illegal does not depend on whether you secured it with a formula. |
| 00:54.38 | Codayus | And that's the last I'll say on the matter. If you don't get it now, you never will. :-) |
| 00:54.44 | Corrodias | just like speeding is always illegal. |
| 00:55.04 | Corrodias | (except under perhaps some emergency exceptions) |
| 00:55.17 | Jamash | uh, trademark law is not the same as traffic law |
| 00:55.26 | foxlit | http://drhorrible.shop.bravadousa.com/Product.aspx?cp=15324_16147&pc=BGCTDH11# |
| 00:55.40 | Corrodias | you can dismiss my analogy if you wish. i won't make a better one. |
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| 01:30.11 | Dagmar | *whew* the inkie's gone |
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| 01:42.38 | Kirov | Why oh why does WoW Wiki have adds for Warhammer? |
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| 01:44.17 | kd3 | that's what I'm wondering too |
| 01:44.46 | Dagmar | You've apparently been keeping your browser window short |
| 01:44.56 | Dagmar | THey've got a softcore banner for the Lost wiki as well |
| 01:45.17 | Dagmar | It's just their ads system is all |
| 01:45.24 | Thunder_Child | i find it amusing |
| 01:45.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:46.09 | mooooo_ | Does anyone know how to fix the "stack overflow" error in the Hello World! tutorial? |
| 01:47.16 | Shirik | where is this tutorial? |
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| 01:53.43 | mooooo_ | Sorry, false alarm. The "stack overflow" error only happens when I load Improved Error Frame addon with it... ironically :o |
| 01:53.57 | Shirik | Isn't that out of date? |
| 01:54.26 | mooooo_ | The AddOns list doesn't tell me it's out of date |
| 01:54.42 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:54.49 | Shirik | fact of the matter is it shouldn't have a stack overflow |
| 01:59.21 | Shirik | I have found a new use for my desktop which I never use anymore |
| 01:59.41 | Shirik | Gonna wipe it, put linux on it, buy an awesome speaker set, and put mpd on it |
| 01:59.53 | Shirik | Then I'll have music and won't even have to get out of bed |
| 01:59.58 | Tekkub | Metropolitan Police Department? |
| 02:00.03 | Shirik | music player daemon |
| 02:00.12 | Tekkub | multiple personality disorde? |
| 02:00.13 | kd3 | <3 having a remote control for my computer |
| 02:00.26 | Dagmar | So *hopefully* what I'm doing to Rawr.Hunter will compile |
| 02:00.42 | Tekkub | so went and saw watchmen |
| 02:00.51 | Tekkub | can't say I hated it, but not sure I liked it either |
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| 02:00.57 | Dagmar | I have no idea why the person who put the pet code together decided to make getFerociousInspirationUptime private |
| 02:03.30 | Dagmar | Hah. It actually compiled |
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| 02:14.35 | Codayus | Tekkub: Needed better editing, and a lot less slavish devotion to the source material. |
| 02:14.53 | Dagmar | Didn't like the blue pencil, eh? |
| 02:15.31 | Codayus | They used the comic book as their story board, which is just fail. It was a good comic book, could have been a good movie, but they're different art forms, with different requirements. |
| 02:15.42 | Tekkub | could have done without the gratoutous bloody scenes, frankly |
| 02:15.54 | Tekkub | it was like they intentionally went overboard on them |
| 02:16.06 | Codayus | Quoting dialogue directly from the word bubble gives the fanbois a hard on, but everyone else gets bored. |
| 02:16.31 | Shirik | I'm trying to revise my OO library for Lua |
| 02:16.36 | Dagmar | Darn. another brick wall |
| 02:16.39 | Codayus | And yeah, the director...uh...Zach whatever? Can't resist the violence porn. Tedious. |
| 02:16.41 | Tekkub | yea I did get a bit bored in spots |
| 02:16.47 | Shirik | Anyone want to take a look at some example usage and see if it's reasonable and/or provide suggestions on how to improve? |
| 02:17.17 | Tekkub | and the fact that none of them seemed "superheroey" beyond being able to toss people through walls |
| 02:17.19 | Codayus | Also (and I might be a bit too critical here) they farmed out the special effects to a bunch of different teams, and there was sod all coordination. |
| 02:17.27 | Tekkub | beside blueballs of course |
| 02:17.37 | Codayus | So... water tank/fire scene was done using miniatures and it was @#$$&*$ kickass. |
| 02:17.58 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/109911 |
| 02:18.11 | Codayus | The mars scene was done by some team using Houdini and some really weird procedural math to generate the animation, and it was um...a nice tech demo; didn't belong in a movie. |
| 02:18.15 | Shirik | I think since trying to add private/protected/public it's a little less readable |
| 02:18.18 | Tekkub | and Nixon... was I wrong or was it just cute ol Zed from MIB with a bad nose and bad accent? |
| 02:18.51 | Codayus | The antartic base was APPARENTLY done by student interns; I can't believe a huge budget film used something that crude. |
| 02:19.42 | Tekkub | big blue hand of god! |
| 02:20.01 | Codayus | I also hated the zoom out shot at the end of the buildings around the *spoiler* - again, very CG looking. Which they were, but your supposed to hide it. :-( |
| 02:20.26 | Codayus | Also all the actors except Rorscharc sucked. |
| 02:20.33 | Codayus | ...I loved the credits though! |
| 02:20.33 | Thunder_Child | wtf is up with the spell with spell ID 51663 |
| 02:20.44 | Dagmar | *sigh |
| 02:20.45 | Tekkub | we didn't stay for the credits |
| 02:20.51 | Codayus | Opening credits, I meant. |
| 02:21.01 | Codayus | The cool freeze frame stuff of historical events. <3 |
| 02:21.49 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: I have a macro for that spell |
| 02:22.08 | Shirik | Bound to button 8: /script SendChatMessage("gives %t a well-deserved \124cff71d5ff\124Hspell:51663\124h[Slap in the Face]\124h\124r.", "EMOTE") |
| 02:22.10 | Codayus | ...and while I'm complaining, the music score was terribad. Pity, the movie did have promise. |
| 02:25.10 | Dagmar | Oof! I thought I had it |
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| 02:34.46 | mikma | tekkub: lol, i went to see it too today |
| 02:34.54 | mikma | didn't like it =/ |
| 02:35.09 | mikma | wife absolutely hated it |
| 02:36.34 | mikma | yeah rorscharc ruled in the movie, also the intro was cool. |
| 02:37.01 | Dagmar | Any of you guys decent with C#? |
| 02:39.37 | mikma | dagmar: C, CCC, CC# C |
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| 02:40.00 | Dagmar | I don't know enough about the scoping to see a solution to http://rawr.codeplex.com/Thread/View.aspx?ThreadId=49811 |
| 02:40.01 | Tuller | I've written things in C#, but I'm probably mediocre at it |
| 02:40.50 | mikma | tekkub: i said earlier today that i would have given 4.5 points in imdb for the movie ^^ |
| 02:41.04 | Dagmar | I was hoping to find something else in the code that calls things from PetCalculations.cs to compute uptimes on abilities, but no such luck |
| 02:41.43 | Dagmar | I *suspect* the whole of PetCalculations is being set up in an awkward way |
| 02:41.43 | Shirik | C# is evil anyway |
| 02:41.45 | Shirik | but I've used it |
| 02:41.49 | Dagmar | Oh I agree there |
| 02:41.55 | Shirik | diffs don't tell me much though |
| 02:42.07 | Dagmar | I see little point in having to label data types when the language will mix and match them properly on it's own |
| 02:42.38 | Dagmar | Well, VC#EE carps at me about an object reference being required for non-static types |
| 02:43.10 | Tuller | you totally should have just switched ferociousInspirationUptime to a property |
| 02:43.24 | Dagmar | So that's clearly something I don't know... Tell me more |
| 02:44.02 | Dagmar | Before it was declared within PetCalculations.cs in a way that other things couldn't access it |
| 02:44.21 | Dagmar | That at least I know wasn't going to work |
| 02:44.30 | Tuller | well, I just see public double ferociousInspirationUptime; |
| 02:45.13 | Dagmar | Yeah I thought it would be accessible through the method |
| 02:46.14 | Dagmar | For whatever reason, inside PetCalculations.cs it was being stored in a variable after calling the method... |
| 02:46.50 | Dagmar | So, I chucked that and just have PetCalculations.cs calling a getFerociousUptime() method that actually *returns* something |
| 02:47.01 | Dagmar | Heck, if I even knew why the guy put it in there the way he did it would help |
| 02:47.05 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man.. i want to know what kinds of highway congestion blizzard -can- patch.. http://blue.mmo-champion.com/26/15671258115-to-oc-located-blue.html |
| 02:47.10 | Dagmar | EVery other language I've used, that would just be the wrong way to go about it |
| 02:47.38 | Dagmar | No sense in calling a method to set a variable unless that variable is going to be used repeatedly |
| 02:47.57 | Dagmar | Might as well just have the method return the value directly as far as I know |
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| 02:49.58 | Dagmar | Tuller: Is http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/x9fsa0sw.aspx what you were refering to by making it a property? |
| 02:50.12 | Tuller | pretty much |
| 02:50.19 | Dagmar | OKay, that's a start |
| 02:53.29 | Dagmar | as little as you *think* you know about C#, I probably know less |
| 02:55.47 | Dagmar | Looking at this reference I'm pretty sure you're exactly right about making it a property |
| 02:56.51 | Dagmar | Another question, but lemme find a URL to the bit of code in quetsion |
| 02:59.03 | Shirik | Iriel probably has good suggestions! |
| 02:59.29 | Iriel | ? |
| 02:59.42 | Dagmar | Tuller: So http://pastebin.com/mdfa07a1 appears in the code... I have NO idea what it accomplishes to declare a nearly identical structure one after the other |
| 02:59.44 | Shirik | Iriel, I'm working on an OO library for Lua. Here's an example syntax as it is right now, but I've found that implementation of public/protected/private made it rather ugly |
| 02:59.48 | Shirik | Do you have any suggestions for its syntax? |
| 02:59.54 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/109911 |
| 03:00.15 | Dagmar | The only difference between the two is IEnumerable<string> and IEnumberable<Buff> |
| 03:00.24 | Tuller | right |
| 03:00.27 | Dagmar | What does that accomplish? |
| 03:00.36 | Tuller | typing |
| 03:00.48 | Dagmar | Typing of what tho |
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| 03:00.52 | Cide | Shirik: personally, I don't think you need public/protected/private variables, but that's subjective of course |
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| 03:01.53 | Dagmar | From what I know of it, the second definition should just clobber the first |
| 03:02.09 | Tuller | Dagmar: one of them has a collection of strings, one of them has a collection of buff objects |
| 03:03.26 | Iriel | I would be inclined to make 'public' default |
| 03:03.41 | Tuller | Dagmar: in my eyes, they both call different constructors, etc |
| 03:03.45 | Iriel | Though you're still stuck with having a syntax for the other two |
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| 03:04.28 | Iriel | Dagmar: it could be a typedafety issue, if AccumulateBuffsStats has two overloaded definitions, rather than one generic one |
| 03:04.31 | Iriel | typeSafety even |
| 03:05.22 | Iriel | That's a guess based on java syntax tho, I dont know C# at all |
| 03:05.55 | Dagmar | So I understand overloading in perl... but I can't for the life of me figure how overloading of those is useful |
| 03:06.15 | Dagmar | Is the one that's called determined by the types being handed to it? |
| 03:06.29 | Iriel | That's how overloading generally works |
| 03:06.50 | Iriel | I just dont know how it works in C# (In java that wouldn't be an overloading scenario, due to how generics are implemented) |
| 03:07.01 | Dagmar | WEll, in perl overloading just means your extra arguments are ignored |
| 03:07.15 | Iriel | That's more like |
| 03:07.19 | Iriel | "optional arguments" |
| 03:07.24 | Iriel | Overloading is when you define say.... |
| 03:07.34 | Dagmar | In this case there appears to be nothing being done inside the method that has anything to do with what's being passed |
| 03:07.36 | Iriel | GetBlah(String xyz) GetBlah(int xyz) and GetBlah(SomeObject xyz) |
| 03:07.39 | Dagmar | ...which is another thing I don't get |
| 03:07.51 | Dagmar | No wait I see the buffs bit now |
| 03:07.52 | Iriel | buffs has a different TYPE in both cases |
| 03:08.03 | Dagmar | Yeah that I get |
| 03:08.18 | Iriel | So it is different to the compiler, the question is.. what does the definition(s) of AccumulateBuffsStats look like? |
| 03:08.21 | Dagmar | It seems like a mistake waiting to happen to me |
| 03:08.39 | Iriel | Not necessarily |
| 03:08.55 | Iriel | they're saying "You can get the stats off buffs, and the buffs can be a list of strings, or a list of Buff" |
| 03:09.26 | Iriel | Since you're not answering the qeustion about AcculuateBuffsStats's declarations, it's hard to see if there's an improvement |
| 03:09.28 | Dagmar | Hmm... accumulatebuffsstats is also being overloaded |
| 03:09.35 | Iriel | Ah well, that'd be the killer |
| 03:09.55 | Iriel | that's why you need to of each |
| 03:10.06 | Iriel | because given a specific IEnumerable, you have to know which method to call |
| 03:10.09 | Dagmar | I'm thinking the deeper answer is someone didn't smack hte coder with a rolled-up paper for unnecessarily duplicating the same code fragments |
| 03:10.20 | Iriel | They might not have a choice. |
| 03:10.31 | Iriel | Because it's not an unconstrained question |
| 03:10.42 | Iriel | For example, an IEnumerable<Widget> wouldn't be valid |
| 03:10.51 | Iriel | but if you dont have the 2 declarations, you'd not know that |
| 03:11.05 | Iriel | I doubt htere's a syntax for IEnumerable<String oh or possibly Buff i'm not sure> |
| 03:11.43 | Dagmar | It looks like they did it so they could pass either strings or buffs to it, but since the end result appears to be that the latter form just converts things to buffs, I'm not impressed |
| 03:13.43 | Dagmar | s/strings or buffs/buffs or strings/; |
| 03:20.18 | Dagmar | I think I may have to take the "go home and shoot things in the face for awhile" option |
| 03:21.08 | Dagmar | Thanks for the help Iriel |
| 03:23.00 | AbsolutRayne | Yay for hunting for a server to XFer to. |
| 03:23.01 | Dagmar | Arcavon owes me some loot and I aim to collect |
| 03:23.54 | Dagmar | AbsolutRayne: Well, at least now you can make DKs and get a feel for a server without having to transfer immediately |
| 03:24.26 | AbsolutRayne | True, but at this point im just like morally shocked. I realize its a game, but when your guild dies you just kinda die a little inside with it. |
| 03:24.41 | Dagmar | Oh... that doesn't necessarily mean you have to switch servers |
| 03:24.50 | AbsolutRayne | I need a fresh start, though |
| 03:24.53 | Dagmar | Unless, perhaps, you were the reason |
| 03:25.19 | AbsolutRayne | No |
| 03:25.28 | Dagmar | I'd just make a guild but I happen to like my guild leader (known him for years, and I'm to be blamed for him playing)... |
| 03:25.32 | AbsolutRayne | All 4 of my geared officer Healers leaving was the reason |
| 03:25.34 | Dagmar | ...but I detest having to tell people what to do |
| 03:25.56 | Dagmar | It's too easy to screw up |
| 03:26.17 | Dagmar | Like the last time I dealt with the insanity fight, the tree we took kept insisting I kill him first |
| 03:26.28 | Dagmar | Horrifying large error that was |
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| 03:27.07 | Dagmar | Nothing, and not even Aimed Shot was going to make that doable |
| 03:27.26 | Dagmar | I finally just had to say eff it and hit him with a frost trap to keep him out of the way while I mowed down the mage and lock |
| 03:27.48 | Dagmar | THEN I could deal with him and the DK properly |
| 03:29.38 | Cairenn | http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/name_ISS/index.html <== Vote! Go go! SERENITY! |
| 03:30.03 | Dagmar | Yes, becuase what we need is a ship that will discover Reapers |
| 03:30.25 | NightHawkTheSane | reavers |
| 03:30.35 | Dagmar | I stand corrected |
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| 03:37.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: I'm a fan of "Node 3" |
| 03:37.11 | Cairenn | bah |
| 03:37.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That and the poll refuses to load for me |
| 03:38.23 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, noscript |
| 03:38.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: not installed! Same with noflash! |
| 03:39.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Or flashblock or adblock or etc |
| 03:39.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Clean copy of FF |
| 03:39.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: nasa hates you |
| 03:39.30 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: see that I'd believe |
| 03:39.30 | Thunder_Child | try IE ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:39.36 | ScytheBlade1 | On linux huh |
| 03:39.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That could pose a problem |
| 03:39.56 | Dagmar | "MSP needs more beatings" |
| 03:39.59 | Thunder_Child | lynx! |
| 03:40.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:40.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I would but I don't think I'd get as far as I did |
| 03:40.20 | Thunder_Child | scary if you got farther |
| 03:40.42 | ScytheBlade1 | "externalflash" kinda means I won't |
| 03:41.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh there it loaded |
| 03:41.26 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Neat |
| 03:48.55 | Thunder_Child | what, no utopa planetia (sp?) ? |
| 03:48.56 | batbot | Thunder_Child, plane Tia, plane-Tia. |
| 03:50.28 | Thunder_Child | utopia( |
| 03:50.34 | Thunder_Child | s/(/*/ |
| 03:50.41 | Thunder_Child | so much fail typing right now |
| 03:50.44 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 03:50.45 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
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| 03:57.46 | Shadowed | So why is it backdrops have there edges "disappear" depending on scaling? |
| 03:57.52 | Shadowed | but only certain corners |
| 04:07.18 | NightHawkTheSane | zomg |
| 04:07.19 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.cupcakeroyale.com/ |
| 04:07.26 | NightHawkTheSane | irish whiskey maple cupcakes! |
| 04:07.45 | Jamash | no wai |
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| 04:11.10 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon! http://tinyurl.com/cg6rb4 | "Geek used to be a 4-letter word; now it's a 6-figure one." - Chris Pirillo | Happy Birthday AnduinLothar! |
| 04:12.02 | Thunder_Child | happy 15th birthday AnduinLothar |
| 04:12.19 | AnduinLothar | >.< |
| 04:12.38 | Thunder_Child | next year it's your sweet 16 |
| 04:13.40 | Shirik | Happy birthday AnduinLothar |
| 04:13.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:13.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That gave me a pretty good lauch |
| 04:14.03 | ScytheBlade1 | *laugh |
| 04:22.01 | mikma | is cairenn keeping some sort of birthday-book |
| 04:22.09 | Cairenn | of course |
| 04:22.29 | mikma | "the big book of cairenn" |
| 04:22.37 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:23.48 | mikma | i'm afraid we are all marked (wo)men |
| 04:24.20 | Cairenn | :p |
| 04:25.33 | mikma | hmmmmm. Creative Fatality headset |
| 04:25.41 | mikma | worth the 40e? |
| 04:26.10 | Jamash | my sister has one, she likes it, but I haven't tried it myself |
| 04:26.15 | mikma | usb/9mm x2 |
| 04:26.35 | mikma | my friend has been using them for couple of years |
| 04:26.57 | mikma | so long tthat the old one just broke down and he bought the usb version |
| 04:27.18 | mikma | but how does the usb-version work? |
| 04:27.34 | Jamash | she has the audio jack version |
| 04:27.46 | mikma | thats 20e cheaper |
| 04:28.09 | mikma | the usb is 60e+ and i dont even know will that work on older pc's |
| 04:28.10 | Jamash | from what I understand, USB headphones bypass your sound card totally and do all their own audio processing |
| 04:28.49 | Jamash | so if you have a high end sound card it's probably silly to get a usb headset |
| 04:28.49 | mikma | i have sb audigy .. |
| 04:28.49 | mikma | not that highend =) |
| 04:30.04 | Dagmar | Well, there's a convenience factor to be considered |
| 04:30.14 | Dagmar | I can clear up a lot of the confusion about this I think |
| 04:30.31 | Dagmar | As far as whether or not a USB headset is going to be able to be used with an older PC, it would have to be *really* old |
| 04:30.53 | Dagmar | I've got the Logitech Premium Laptop headset, which isn't costing "premium" most places, it's actually pretty cheap |
| 04:31.06 | Dagmar | So long as your computer has USB 2.0 you are for sure good to go. |
| 04:31.27 | mikma | well i have usb 2.0 |
| 04:31.44 | Dagmar | I know you're not running WoW under 98se, and XP has drivers for USB audio devices built in, because they're HID devices, meaning there's one standard they'll adhere to, just like thumbdrives that didn't come from Lithuania |
| 04:32.18 | Dagmar | HID == Human Interface Device |
| 04:32.34 | Dagmar | Basically, you just plug the thing into USB and it appears as a new audio device |
| 04:32.57 | Shirik | Iriel: making public default makes sense |
| 04:33.01 | Shirik | (or at least SOMETHING default) |
| 04:33.07 | Shirik | in C++ private is default |
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| 04:33.19 | mikma | that sounds much cooler than the 9mm soundcard |
| 04:33.29 | Dagmar | You can tell WoW to use the Default audio device (which is a virtualized audio device) or you can tell it specifically to use the headset, because once it's plugged in WinXP is at least smart enough to list the headset and the built-in sound card separately |
| 04:34.14 | Dagmar | You can also tell vent to use whichever device you'd like, but I would relaly not suggest telling it to play vent through teh speakers unless you like feedback loops |
| 04:34.18 | mikma | I could just rip the soundcard out |
| 04:34.38 | Dagmar | Well, if you only used a headset from then on out then sure |
| 04:35.02 | Dagmar | ABout the only caveat is that if you're using say Winamp or something, that audio "stream" will not migrate to a new device without the program being stopped and restarted |
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| 04:35.33 | Dagmar | Wow also tends to get a little snitty about it if you've told it to play game sounds through the headset and then unplug the headset and mkae the USB device go away |
| 04:35.47 | Dagmar | ...cuz windows kicks back an error with each write to the sound device which no longer exists |
| 04:36.07 | Dagmar | But I suspect in that case you already shot yourself in the foot enough by telling it to use the headset and then yanking it out |
| 04:36.59 | Dagmar | As to the "convenience" factor, if you're a mischevious person, you can say, connect the headphone output of a PDA or MP3 player and plug it into the mic input on the USB dongle, and then play samples back through Vent |
| 04:37.16 | mikma | hmmh |
| 04:37.19 | Dagmar | The reaction of people if you were to say, play the "Time for FUN!" sample right as you enter the room with the boss is epic |
| 04:37.27 | Dagmar | "OMG HOW DID WE GET AGGRO" |
| 04:38.53 | Dagmar | TBH, hot-pluggable headsets work just fine in Windows, and poorly in Linux since ALSA doesn't really know very well what to do about hot-pluggable audio devices |
| 04:38.59 | Dagmar | They work, just don't unplug them |
| 04:39.32 | NightHawkTheSane | thats not exactly hot luggable :P |
| 04:39.45 | Dagmar | Plus if you have USB ports on your keyboard it's a crapton easier to plug them in when you need them than it is to reach around the machine to use a PCI sound card |
| 04:40.11 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Exactly. ALSA devs had no clue about hot-pluggable audio devices when they structured the last release |
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| 04:40.18 | Dagmar | Minor patches won't fix it either |
| 04:40.34 | Dagmar | It's in infrastructure issue with the way ALSA works |
| 04:46.12 | Iriel | Any proficient git users on? |
| 04:51.26 | Thunder_Child | guess not |
| 04:52.05 | Iriel | Google saved me |
| 04:52.16 | Iriel | (the answer was git branch branchname origin/branchname) |
| 04:52.19 | Tekkub | is anyone really proficient? :P |
| 04:52.33 | Thunder_Child | great....."Google is my Lord and Savior" |
| 04:53.08 | Iriel | git's documentation is curious to say the least |
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| 05:00.53 | Wobin_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0dYPnui3rM |
| 05:00.55 | Wobin_ | Be AMAZING! |
| 05:03.08 | Corrodias | all viruses are immune to antibiotics |
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| 05:12.19 | Shirik | Iriel: The answer is don't use git |
| 05:12.39 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 05:12.55 | Iriel | Shirik: I think it may have some useful purposes |
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| 05:16.33 | bleetah | fuck me, 100 WG's in a row.. not a single one won/lost 'legitimately' what a piece of stinking shit WG is it better fucking be fixed in 3.1 |
| 05:18.02 | bleetah | i've even given up trying to convince my realm that no, everything is not as intended because blizz didn't patch. i'm more than happy to let ppl believe it, then they can use it in an excuse to the GMs when they get done for exploiting elsewhere |
| 05:18.10 | bleetah | ~emulate bleeter |
| 05:18.11 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 05:19.06 | bleetah | of course, if I do go test it.. it'll prolly break on Oceanic servers because there's no need for Oceanic focussed testing is there |
| 05:19.17 | bleetah | not like 2.4 was busted up the wazoo for 6 months on Oceanic realms nahhh |
| 05:20.45 | ZorbaTHut | bleetah, what's the wg issue, the drive-through-doors bug? |
| 05:21.23 | bleetah | that, the fear thru the door bug, the pally bubble bug, tenacity still seems fucked up too |
| 05:22.01 | ZorbaTHut | ah, didn't know about the fear-through-door issue |
| 05:22.45 | bleetah | well something else fucked up, apart from the demo thru doors, is going on. hth can opposition win when the door's not totally destroyed... thought that was part of the point. |
| 05:23.22 | bleetah | i wonder if I'd get banned if I tried all the exploits on PTR |
| 05:23.28 | bleetah | to see if they're fixed lolol |
| 05:26.12 | Spellbinder | i never played a ptr but isn't what it is for? |
| 05:26.53 | Spellbinder | to get bugs out, and therefor exploits have to be tested? |
| 05:27.35 | bleetah | hard to say. if a bug's not mentioned as 'fixed' in the patch notes, it *should* follow that it's not fixed |
| 05:28.19 | ScytheBlade1 | bleetah: define 'legitimately' |
| 05:29.29 | bleetah | ScytheBlade1: like, with walls broken down. I admit I don't know word for word all the WG rules, but at a minimal guess I'd say it involves breaking down at least one of the keep walls and/or the door to the keep itself. |
| 05:30.16 | ScytheBlade1 | bleetah: as long as you're not whining about crap like people getting on flying mounts and flying in from behind the fortress. If you were I'd hurt you. |
| 05:30.25 | End | getting a vehicle inside the walls without breaking walls/doors down to get there does sound wrong :P |
| 05:30.37 | bleetah | ScytheBlade1: nah I'm talking about a 6 month old clipping bug |
| 05:30.43 | End | (for attackers obviously) |
| 05:30.48 | bleetah | for starters... 6 months of a broken game... FAILBLIZZ |
| 05:31.10 | bleetah | 'oh wait for 3.1'... :/ |
| 05:31.27 | End | I haven't really seen that bleeter's bug, but I have seen game start, and then 30 seconds later siege engines are at our gates |
| 05:31.37 | End | I'm still not sure what people are doing to rank up -that- fast |
| 05:31.44 | Dagmar | I've no idea either |
| 05:31.47 | Dagmar | I've seen that happen as well |
| 05:31.51 | bleetah | trying to cap an engi base as soon as the battle starts |
| 05:32.19 | End | nobody stops them from capping it. so far as I've seen, they should have gotten any kills other than from guards |
| 05:32.24 | Dagmar | I literally saw the thing start, lit a cigarette, clicked the portal, and like 8 seconds later someone's *already* got a siege engine at the walls |
| 05:32.27 | End | unless they have a secret cache of horde to kill |
| 05:32.28 | bleetah | ie, 5-10 defenders sit around the attacker's workshop, try to keep it. 20-30 attackers turn up, own the attackers, rank up. bingo, instant 12 demos |
| 05:32.42 | ZorbaTHut | end, you can get it pretty damn fast, especially on a high-population server. Fly in manually before the game starts and stand next to an enemy NPC |
| 05:32.57 | End | there's not that many guards! are there? |
| 05:32.58 | ZorbaTHut | generally you'll be hugely outnumbered in the first few seconds, so you get one "tick" of tenacity x 20 or so |
| 05:32.59 | bleetah | drive demos up to wall, each go with 3 or 4 shots. that's 36-48 shots. Wall is down. drive thru to keep. everyone 3-4 shots. |
| 05:33.01 | bleetah | game over |
| 05:33.08 | ZorbaTHut | and with that much tenacity, you only need one NPC kill to hit max rank |
| 05:33.10 | bleetah | ^^how to 'win' WG in less than 2 min |
| 05:33.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I have to say that Doomhammer is populated to the point where most all of those exploits are entirely useless. |
| 05:33.12 | End | realllly? |
| 05:33.13 | Dagmar | Aha |
| 05:33.14 | ZorbaTHut | (and it goes hilariously fast) |
| 05:33.14 | End | that's wrong |
| 05:33.16 | Dagmar | That would be it then |
| 05:33.22 | End | that explains it though |
| 05:33.25 | End | Blizzard should fix that |
| 05:33.27 | ZorbaTHut | and then you just head down to the vehicle shop and jump in your vehicle of choice |
| 05:33.44 | ZorbaTHut | it's part of my routine now, you can usually get it even if you just bumrush one of the NPCs out of the attack gate :P |
| 05:33.46 | bleetah | zorba's explanation also... combine the two (mine and his) and.. ugh it's super bad |
| 05:33.58 | End | I have gotten tenacityx20 before and the server is like "oh shit, you aren't supposed to have tenacity" |
| 05:34.04 | bleetah | WG most fucked up thing Blizz have ever left live |
| 05:34.10 | Dagmar | Yeah because you should at LEAST be able to GET to the walls before the enemy has engines on it if you started inside the base to begin with |
| 05:34.14 | ZorbaTHut | (also, as ridiculously broken as it is, it's quite fun to PvP with tenacityx20. Everything just dies.) |
| 05:34.24 | End | the lag bothers me more than anything |
| 05:34.26 | bleetah | great in principal, just bugged badly. and patching attitude makes it suck bigtime. |
| 05:34.34 | bleetah | ie, lack of patching for WG |
| 05:34.36 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Yeah I imagine the warlocks running around like raid bosses must be having a wonderful time |
| 05:34.47 | End | 80k hp is not like a raid boss |
| 05:34.55 | End | that's not even a 5man boss |
| 05:35.17 | bleetah | it's a blizz 3-5man quest tho |
| 05:35.26 | Dagmar | Yeah but a raid boss would be the thing that would cast Seed of Corruption on the big tank and kill it and everyone in it in two ticks |
| 05:35.28 | bleetah | which is prolly soloable for some classes |
| 05:35.36 | End | some 5mans have more, some have less |
| 05:35.58 | bleetah | so anyways, I gotta ask myself... if I go onto PTR.. will there be enough ppl playing WG to make it worth my while |
| 05:36.02 | Dagmar | Being killed in two ticks of a dot isn't funny |
| 05:36.04 | bleetah | answer: probably not |
| 05:36.12 | bleetah | other question: will blizz fix it |
| 05:36.15 | bleetah | answer: prolly not |
| 05:36.19 | bleetah | so yeah cbf trying |
| 05:36.20 | End | and if there's enough people to bother with aoe, I wouldn't last long anyhow :P |
| 05:36.37 | Dagmar | End: If you were a lock with 20x of tenacity you would |
| 05:36.40 | End | nope |
| 05:37.15 | End | it's hilarious when only one person attacks you, but multiple people pose a danger |
| 05:37.23 | End | hm, meta would be fun with tenacity x 20 though |
| 05:37.24 | Dagmar | There's really not any "teamwork" I'm aware of that can cope with 10,000 DPS in an AOE |
| 05:37.37 | Dagmar | Mainly everyone that isn't a tank dies immediately |
| 05:37.46 | End | you act like it doesn't have a cast time |
| 05:37.59 | End | some people aren't retarded |
| 05:38.09 | End | now |
| 05:38.21 | End | if I was with other tenacity'd people, I wouldn't worry about it |
| 05:38.30 | Dagmar | With as many hitpoints as said clothie gets, unless someone gets away with a silence or a stun, you've got the time |
| 05:38.49 | Dagmar | That very scenario has played out on my server more than once |
| 05:39.02 | Dagmar | Four guys on Horde site. Tenacity stacked to the ionosphere |
| 05:39.03 | End | I guess I play against silence happy people |
| 05:39.10 | End | it' |
| 05:39.16 | Dagmar | A lock taking out everyone that gets near him |
| 05:39.56 | bleetah | ah well, I'll go try out WG on PTR once and see if anyone else is on lolol |
| 05:39.58 | End | erm, well, how many people -are- you talking about vs the warlock? |
| 05:40.13 | Dagmar | It took 14 of us at once |
| 05:40.27 | Dagmar | 10 failed |
| 05:40.41 | End | and nobody tried to lock him down? |
| 05:40.41 | Dagmar | He *almost* bought it, but that dot was godawful |
| 05:41.53 | Dagmar | Didn't work so well when we couldn't get alone. When Tenacity maxes out, you get slaughtered |
| 05:42.03 | Dagmar | er get him alone |
| 05:42.07 | End | oh |
| 05:42.15 | End | well, if he has friends you're screwed |
| 05:42.15 | Aqua | out of random interest (i know this isn't the place to ask) but does anyone know a good place to find information on video conversion? |
| 05:42.31 | bleetah | what sort of video? |
| 05:42.33 | Dagmar | mebbe #handbrake |
| 05:42.38 | End | not really. the most I've done is used mencoder |
| 05:42.50 | Aqua | i've got x264 video, and I want to play it on my damn xbox 360 |
| 05:42.57 | End | (I mean, I'm not really much help) |
| 05:43.10 | Dagmar | Aqua: Good luck with that. I'm not 100% that it can play h.264 |
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| 05:43.19 | bleetah | avidemuxer |
| 05:43.22 | End | isn't that why he's converting it? ;-) |
| 05:43.38 | Aqua | avidmuxer? |
| 05:43.47 | Dagmar | Handbrake *might* be something you could use without too much trouble |
| 05:43.47 | bleetah | you'll prolly need the gstreamer-plugins-ugly, though, to do the conversion .. maybe even -bad |
| 05:44.03 | bleetah | unless you're incapable of housing a *nix system, then no idea |
| 05:44.06 | Dagmar | ...otherwise it's transcode and all it's wonderful command line options |
| 05:44.13 | Aqua | I'm on a mac |
| 05:44.29 | Aqua | so thats not an issue |
| 05:45.02 | bleetah | http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/ |
| 05:45.08 | Aqua | Thanks |
| 05:45.19 | Dagmar | Handbrake has a Mac port http://handbrake.fr/ |
| 05:45.40 | Dagmar | ...and it handles h.264 using libx264 |
| 05:45.55 | Dagmar | Of the GUI wrappers i've used, it's the least spiteful |
| 05:46.45 | Aqua | yea, i've been debating how to solve this problem for a while and i have not done anything about it, but now i have to |
| 05:47.13 | Aqua | wtb standard hd-video format |
| 05:47.34 | Dagmar | I have nothing but sadness for you |
| 05:47.39 | Dagmar | It's generally h.264 |
| 05:47.47 | Dagmar | ...with VC-1 as a close contender |
| 05:48.06 | Aqua | thats the kick in the balls, because media center won't play h.264 on extenders |
| 05:48.17 | Aqua | if it did, i'd be happy as a clam |
| 05:48.42 | Dagmar | h.264 tends to require SERIUS MEGAHURTS without hardware accelleration |
| 05:49.00 | Dagmar | ...and depending on how it was encoded, it might not even be able to be multi-threadable |
| 05:49.23 | Dagmar | The HD-PVR makes single-sliced files by default |
| 05:49.37 | Dagmar | We run into these issues a *lot* in #MythTV-users |
| 05:49.41 | bleetah | avidemux works *nix, win32 and macos |
| 05:49.54 | Aqua | yea, vc-1 doesn't require the horse power |
| 05:49.57 | Aqua | thanks bleetah |
| 05:50.01 | Dagmar | It actually does |
| 05:50.30 | Dagmar | It's one "benefit" is that Microsoft came up with it, and talked some other companies into using it on Blueray discs |
| 05:50.36 | Aqua | I can do wmv-hd (vc-1) on a pc slower than what i can do h264 |
| 05:50.53 | Aqua | but yea, nobody likes microshaft |
| 05:51.01 | Dagmar | You've probably got the video driver helping with that |
| 05:51.16 | Dagmar | nVidia cards (and I'm pretty sure ATI's as well) can accellerate decoding |
| 05:52.00 | Aqua | Yea, those asus eebox's |
| 05:52.02 | bleetah | yeah I dunno any comparitive between handbrake and avidemux |
| 05:52.03 | Dagmar | ...er decoding of VC-1 if you have something with the core of an 8400, |
| 05:52.05 | Aqua | are what i'm refering too |
| 05:52.15 | Tekkub | Dear UPS, you say the package will deliver on Friday |
| 05:52.22 | Dagmar | bleetah: Well, offhand, avidemux is meant as an editor. Handbrake is just a transcoding interface |
| 05:52.30 | Tekkub | if it does not I will forever (continue) to think your service is shit |
| 05:52.49 | Aqua | Tekkub: I have that problem with FedEx |
| 05:53.02 | Dagmar | Without a video chip to accellerate things, you're just about screwed for either h.264 or VC-1 1080 without >= 2.4Ghz core |
| 05:53.04 | Tekkub | PlanEx has been wonderful for me |
| 05:53.11 | End | FedEx usually always got stuff to me earlier than scheduled |
| 05:53.15 | bleetah | Dagmar: not really an editor, a scriptable transcoder whose author understands that a scriptable transcoder is pretty much just all an edit suite is ;) |
| 05:53.17 | Tekkub | often delivering 3-day packages in 2 days |
| 05:53.30 | bleetah | or something like that .. i confuse myself lol |
| 05:53.35 | Tekkub | UPS has NEVER delivered earlier than the promised date |
| 05:53.38 | End | but I haven't used FedEx since FedEx upped their rates and newegg switched to ups by default |
| 05:53.38 | Dagmar | bleetah: Handbrake is definitely just a transcoding interface |
| 05:53.44 | Tekkub | and on a number of occations, a day late |
| 05:53.59 | Tekkub | and that one time they sent to to a house FIVE BLOCKS AWAY |
| 05:54.04 | End | (at least, I assume that's why newegg switched...possibly something to do with a deal falling through or something...) |
| 05:54.14 | End | ouch |
| 05:54.27 | Tekkub | then delivered the replacement package a week before the other people brought the original to us |
| 05:54.46 | Tekkub | I hate that newegg is ups default now |
| 05:55.00 | Tekkub | it was always wonderful with PlanEx |
| 05:55.03 | Aqua | see, our area, fed-ex blows |
| 05:55.05 | Dagmar | I always use the 3-day shipping option with them just to avoid the mess |
| 05:55.11 | End | I don't think I've had ups be late recently, but one package did cross the country twice before getting to me (but it got the day it said it would) |
| 05:55.16 | Aqua | ups is on top of stuff |
| 05:55.21 | Dagmar | Which day I'm going to be home is something I know, so I can be sure which day they're coming |
| 05:55.40 | Tekkub | Aqua, I've known package throwers at the airport here for UPS |
| 05:55.47 | Tekkub | and yes, that's what they call the job |
| 05:55.52 | Dagmar | End: Yeah I ordered a coffin for my turntables once and it went from Indiana into Canada then through Seattle to come back to Nashville |
| 05:56.05 | End | haha, my packages at least didn't go through canada |
| 05:56.09 | Dagmar | It got there when it was supposed to, but I've not idea what the heck they routed it like that for other than it was large and hevy |
| 05:56.13 | Dagmar | s/hevy/heavy/; |
| 05:56.36 | Tekkub | FedEx + Newegg + AR was wonderful, they'd ship from Nashville and I'd get it overnight |
| 05:56.48 | Tekkub | UPS, same situation, 3 days every single time |
| 05:57.01 | Tekkub | they let shit sit in littlerock to ENSURE it took 3 days |
| 05:57.06 | Dagmar | Well, yeah |
| 05:57.26 | Dagmar | They basically took the approach that most of their customers know what day they'll be home, but aren't home every day of the week |
| 05:57.38 | Tekkub | bullshit |
| 05:57.46 | Tekkub | so you try to deliver it early and can't |
| 05:57.55 | Tekkub | they'll come pick it up or sign the note you left |
| 05:58.14 | Tekkub | wait, no, you're UPS you just leave it on the step |
| 05:58.27 | Tekkub | *maybe* knock on the door |
| 05:58.30 | Dagmar | ...and sometimes the neighborhood kids might get your package that way |
| 05:58.43 | Tekkub | and UPS doesn't care about that :P |
| 05:58.57 | Dagmar | Yeah but *I* do |
| 05:58.59 | Tekkub | dude, I lived in an apt complex, they *should* have left shit at the office |
| 05:59.10 | Tekkub | but they'd just leave it on the spep |
| 05:59.24 | Dagmar | 'cuz if it gets stolen, while I might not be out any money because it's covered, it'll still mean waiting more days for my replacement stuff |
| 05:59.28 | Aqua | hey atleast your not stuck with one carrier for your medication weekly |
| 05:59.30 | Mike-N-Go | WoW language filter filters nazi.. |
| 05:59.33 | Tekkub | here they're lazy bastards and just deliver it to the office and don't even come leave a note |
| 05:59.41 | Tekkub | the office ends up sending a note |
| 06:00.05 | Dagmar | Tekkub: Not everythign that looks like an apartment complex is an apartment complex |
| 06:00.08 | Tekkub | people use the language filter? |
| 06:00.12 | Dagmar | I'm in a condoplex, there's no office here. |
| 06:01.18 | Tekkub | http://github.com/blog/375-lisp-in-awk |
| 06:01.21 | Tekkub | that's so wrong |
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| 06:01.46 | lprich | anyone around? |
| 06:01.52 | End | nope |
| 06:01.56 | lprich | cool |
| 06:02.00 | End | :P |
| 06:02.03 | lprich | :) |
| 06:02.23 | lprich | I'm hoping someone here can point me in the right direction... I'm looking for a mod to handle loot council votes |
| 06:02.26 | Tekkub | you're supposed to not answer, god you're dumb |
| 06:02.35 | End | lol |
| 06:02.56 | End | how big is your loot council? o_O |
| 06:03.03 | lprich | not big |
| 06:03.11 | lprich | master looter, officer, 3 randoms |
| 06:03.12 | lprich | but |
| 06:03.31 | lprich | like on tier tokens, you have say, 8 people in a raid that can roll for the piece |
| 06:03.39 | lprich | so they link their current gear, and loot council votes |
| 06:03.54 | AnduinLothar | you cant handly 5 votes? |
| 06:04.10 | lprich | it's 5 votes, with 8 choices |
| 06:04.15 | Tekkub | that's a lot of voting there |
| 06:04.22 | Shirik | So apparently "funned" is a word |
| 06:04.23 | lprich | it handles the 5 votes, but not the 8 candidates |
| 06:04.26 | lprich | make sense? |
| 06:04.28 | Shirik | "I have funned today" |
| 06:04.29 | Tekkub | be careful or you'll end up with a W |
| 06:05.47 | lprich | I'm guessing i'm out of luck for said mod, and what they should be doing is just using a different chat channel |
| 06:05.59 | lprich | or sending a whisper to the master looter |
| 06:06.00 | End | that's more or less how people usually do it |
| 06:06.19 | End | our "loot council" is just officers, so obviously we do it in officer chat :P |
| 06:06.26 | Tekkub | Shirik, I just funned my pants |
| 06:06.31 | Shirik | .. |
| 06:06.39 | Tekkub | ungh! |
| 06:07.00 | Tekkub | WTS one pair of funned boxers, pst! |
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| 06:09.06 | AnduinLothar | It's the rebels... They're here... |
| 06:09.09 | lprich | yeah, our loot council is master looter, officer, and 3 raiders |
| 06:09.14 | AnduinLothar | so the y want tea? |
| 06:09.15 | lprich | makes it a little tougher |
| 06:09.33 | lprich | anyway, I'll keep looking around and make some suggestions. Thanks for the help guys. :) |
| 06:09.35 | AnduinLothar | we did that in my 1st raid guild |
| 06:09.36 | *** part/#wowuidev lprich (n=rascal84@unaffiliated/rascal84) |
| 06:09.43 | AnduinLothar | we used a channel |
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| 06:09.50 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 06:09.52 | lprich | did i miss something there? |
| 06:09.59 | AnduinLothar | we used a channel |
| 06:10.01 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 06:10.05 | lprich | :) |
| 06:10.12 | lprich | I think we will head down the same path. |
| 06:10.14 | End | yeah, that's just what I would suggest, too :P |
| 06:10.25 | lprich | I'm not an officer, or even a raider yet |
| 06:10.28 | lprich | but I should be! |
| 06:10.34 | lprich | just haven't been back on wow long enough. |
| 06:11.00 | lprich | i took a break, but didn't leave guild. i'm low man on the totem pole again :( |
| 06:11.04 | lprich | anyway, thanks again |
| 06:11.08 | lprich | i need sleep. :) |
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| 06:30.40 | t0sh | You need more game cards? I take this, and get 120days more. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru7Z0ssD55E |
| 06:30.41 | t0sh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru7Z0ssD55E |
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| 06:33.30 | selckin | silly scammers |
| 06:33.40 | Jamash | sad really |
| 06:33.49 | Jamash | someone has to be falling for it otherwise they wouldn't be doing it |
| 06:34.30 | selckin | if it's on the internets it got to be true |
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| 06:36.26 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, Shirik ^^ |
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| 06:37.10 | Thunder_Child | ~Cairenn++ |
| 06:37.17 | Cairenn | :) |
| 06:37.26 | Thunder_Child | ~karma Cairenn |
| 06:37.26 | purl | cairenn has karma of 5 |
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| 06:42.24 | Cide | lua> ("%02x%02x%02x"):format(255, 0.82*255, 0) |
| 06:42.25 | lua_bot | Cide: ffd100 |
| 06:51.19 | Shirik | why is cide still awake o.o |
| 06:51.35 | Cide | very good question |
| 06:51.49 | Cide | I'm working on a project that has to have a demo ready this saturday |
| 06:52.20 | Shirik | btdt |
| 06:52.25 | Cide | btdt? |
| 06:52.55 | Shirik | ~btdt |
| 06:52.56 | purl | well, btdt is Been There Done That |
| 06:53.10 | Aiiane | could be worse. |
| 06:53.17 | Aiiane | could have to have been done yesterday. |
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| 06:55.09 | Tjacu | Anyone here that can help me with an popup window? |
| 06:56.27 | Tjacu | Question, can I use a popup with 3 buttons within my addon? Second how do I do it most smotly? |
| 06:56.28 | Tjacu | Something I would want I have already found, somewhat but I don't understand it compleatly. |
| 06:56.28 | Tjacu | http://lua.pastey.net/109914 = Something like this. |
| 06:58.52 | Tekkub | why do you need no and cancel.. |
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| 07:03.28 | Shirik | Tjacu: What don't you understand |
| 07:05.01 | Tjacu | Well, I sorta only manipulates the dkp addon we are using, and I will change the 3 buttons to Mainspecc Offspecc Onehander (the diffrent dkp pays we use) |
| 07:05.57 | Tjacu | I know that I can use commands for changing the dkp and that I have already added, but as off now, when most loot goes into the Offspecc catogory, I spend about 50% of the raid fixing the dkp |
| 07:06.41 | Tjacu | ohh and Tekkub, LOVE TOURGUIDE!!!!!! |
| 07:06.50 | Tjacu | And tomtom ^^ |
| 07:08.32 | kd3 | gah |
| 07:08.38 | kd3 | they need to fix the daily quest reset timers |
| 07:08.43 | kd3 | was supposed to be 8 minutes ago |
| 07:08.53 | Tekkub | l2dlst |
| 07:09.03 | Tjacu | dlst? |
| 07:12.10 | Jamash | daylight savings time |
| 07:12.40 | Tjacu | ahha |
| 07:13.20 | Tjacu | I am living in europe, soo I still have to wait for our servers to get up again |
| 07:15.29 | kd3 | whee. I won double frostfire robes tonight and I also got frostfire gloves |
| 07:15.32 | kd3 | archivon loves me |
| 07:15.53 | Aqua | nice |
| 07:16.06 | Tjacu | nice |
| 07:16.36 | Tjacu | I am personaly thinking of respeccing from arcane, but I don't know, this week we are gonna focus on sarth 3d |
| 07:16.49 | Aqua | arcane is more fun |
| 07:18.42 | Tjacu | I know, and also better for the heroics I am gonna do this week |
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| 07:47.26 | Tekkub | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1589/ |
| 07:57.02 | Wobin | from 1936: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__XCWUd8FFjQ/SbZ1EGwpVlI/AAAAAAAAGkc/bawfA9cqbQE/s1600-h/DoggieBag.jpg |
| 07:57.08 | Wobin | I wonder why -that- never caught on... |
| 07:58.10 | nevcairiel | because cars don't have a running board anymore? =) |
| 07:59.45 | Tekkub | you ever tried to get a dog into a sack attached to your car? |
| 07:59.54 | Tekkub | not that easy |
| 08:00.47 | Tekkub | plus the piss streak down the back of the car from the freaked out dog is kinda unsightly |
| 08:00.57 | Wobin | pft, that's why it's canvas |
| 08:00.59 | Wobin | washable |
| 08:03.05 | Tekkub | it would obviously work better if the dog were on the top of the car |
| 08:03.14 | Tekkub | I mean, imagine the mess in a side impact |
| 08:04.11 | Tem | so with aim |
| 08:04.33 | Tem | how do you ignore someone? |
| 08:04.46 | Tem | aparently they can still send messages once you block them |
| 08:04.55 | Wobin | don't use AIM? |
| 08:04.57 | Lukian | disconnect :p |
| 08:06.42 | Thunder_Child | ok...ffb makes me wet |
| 08:06.49 | Tekkub | l2aim |
| 08:06.51 | Tekkub | ha ha! |
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| 08:13.33 | Tem | well that was interesting |
| 08:14.04 | Tem | a bot just sent me an aim message |
| 08:14.09 | Tem | but on the other end of the bot was another person |
| 08:14.24 | Wobin | oh that one |
| 08:14.30 | Wobin | it connects two random people |
| 08:14.36 | Wobin | by making them think they messaged each other |
| 08:15.07 | Tem | yeah exactly |
| 08:15.48 | Tem | it apparently fished my username from reddit |
| 08:17.18 | Shirik | "is there any way to implement a way to use HEX DECIMALS in addons like kg panels" |
| 08:17.21 | Shirik | "hex decimals" |
| 08:17.31 | Shirik | that's a fun word |
| 08:17.39 | Tem | wtf |
| 08:17.52 | Tem | I do not think that means what you think it means |
| 08:19.28 | Tem | anyway it was really odd |
| 08:19.43 | Tem | there was an intelligent person talking to me |
| 08:19.46 | Tem | from the internet |
| 08:19.55 | Tem | with like proper grammar and stuff |
| 08:20.09 | Tem | I'm completely baffled |
| 08:23.04 | Shirik | Was it me? |
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| 08:25.34 | Adys | I love windows users |
| 08:25.35 | Adys | "It appears that the Flux.ini file opens in Notepad. Do I need another piece of software to accomplish this task?" |
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| 08:26.49 | Wesley | where should it open in? |
| 08:27.33 | Adys | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/march/scepterofcreation.jpg |
| 08:27.35 | Adys | what the fuck |
| 08:27.51 | Wesley | wow |
| 08:27.58 | Wesley | that thing is a bit op |
| 08:28.06 | Shirik | omfg |
| 08:28.08 | Shirik | holy fire for 15k |
| 08:28.09 | Shirik | I have 100k hp |
| 08:28.15 | Shirik | I love horde |
| 08:28.35 | Shirik | tenacity is so fun when you have a shitton of it |
| 08:30.48 | Wesley | humpff my combattracker still gives errors... |
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| 08:39.08 | Tem | how sad is this |
| 08:39.26 | Tem | I'm so out of food in my apartment that my idea of a late night snack is peanut butter and water |
| 08:41.26 | Adys | mm peanut butter |
| 08:41.43 | Elkano | http://images.rockmnation.com/images/admin/its_peanut_butter_jelly_time_from_f.gif |
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| 08:51.10 | batrick_ | fiskerfase |
| 08:54.34 | Shirik | batrick! |
| 08:54.40 | batrick | Shirik: ! |
| 08:54.46 | Shirik | What we gonna do |
| 08:54.49 | batrick | iono |
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| 08:54.57 | batrick | start over and pew pew new code?!?! |
| 08:54.58 | Shirik | I need a new project |
| 08:55.00 | Shirik | could |
| 08:55.35 | batrick | you could help me write that lua optimizer |
| 08:55.49 | Shirik | fun |
| 08:56.00 | Shirik | have you already started work on it? |
| 08:56.06 | batrick | i think im gonna just use processes for batbot from now on |
| 08:56.09 | batrick | too many ways to segfault lua |
| 08:56.12 | batrick | sadxly |
| 08:56.14 | batrick | sadly* |
| 08:56.21 | batrick | nope been busy |
| 08:56.28 | Shirik | I wouldn't just do that |
| 08:56.31 | Shirik | be sure to jail batbot too |
| 08:56.40 | batrick | hmm? |
| 08:56.51 | Shirik | segfaults are often very close to arbitrary code execution ;) |
| 08:56.56 | Tjacu | hmm, can someone help me improve my dkp addon with a popup, tell me all the things I need to read up on... or give examples, need 3 button in the popup well... 4... |
| 08:57.11 | batrick | not too worried about that tbh |
| 08:57.17 | Shirik | shiibot runs in a chrooted environment |
| 08:57.22 | Shirik | just in case |
| 08:57.34 | batrick | there are better things to exploit than my server |
| 08:57.44 | Shirik | oh god, if I lost files on my server I'd be kinda screwed |
| 08:57.54 | Shirik | which is why I need to set it up to rsync to another |
| 08:57.56 | Shirik | but haven't yet |
| 08:58.10 | nevcairiel | there you have your new project |
| 08:59.08 | Shirik | that's not a project |
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| 08:59.13 | Shirik | that's 5 minutes of bothering to set something up |
| 08:59.27 | nevcairiel | write your own sync tool first |
| 08:59.30 | Shirik | what are mats for steel? |
| 08:59.36 | Shirik | why? rsync works fine |
| 08:59.45 | Shirik | I want something that would be USED |
| 08:59.49 | nevcairiel | steel in wow? iron and coal |
| 09:00.05 | krka | steel in real life? iron and coal |
| 09:00.15 | Shirik | requires mining? |
| 09:00.31 | nevcairiel | you could do with a coal replacement in real life! |
| 09:00.37 | nevcairiel | yes Shirik, its a smelting skill |
| 09:05.35 | batrick | so i'm reading this chuck norris birthday thread in OT |
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| 09:05.44 | batrick | I declare winnar: "Chuck Norris doesn't tea bag, he potato sacks " |
| 09:05.57 | batrick | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15673097691&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 09:06.06 | batrick | some are really good |
| 09:09.52 | Shirik | batrick! Lua optimizer! Do you have any ideas yet/have you started anything? |
| 09:10.06 | batrick | "Chuck Norris once had his own line of toilet paper, but they had to cancel it because it wouldn't take crap from anybody. " |
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| 09:10.42 | batrick | Shirik: I got something else that is cool i have mostly finished but I had to put on the backburner for ~2 weeks |
| 09:10.54 | Shirik | filum? |
| 09:11.11 | batrick | I have a mostly finished implementation of: "try [block] catch (identifier) [block] [finally [block]] end |
| 09:11.45 | Shirik | no type specification? :( |
| 09:11.53 | batrick | how could there be in Lua??? |
| 09:12.01 | batrick | how/why* |
| 09:12.16 | Tjacu | Hey, you 2 seems to know alot of LUA, am I right? |
| 09:12.27 | batrick | besides that's a dumb feature in Java anyway |
| 09:12.32 | krka | Tjacu: You shouldn't capitalize Lua like that. ^_^ |
| 09:12.35 | Fisker- | LUA's Used as an Acronym |
| 09:12.38 | batrick | krka: ty |
| 09:12.53 | Tjacu | I know... |
| 09:13.04 | Shirik | batrick: It's in C++ too :( |
| 09:13.19 | batrick | it's unnecessarily complicates the language imo |
| 09:13.22 | batrick | anyway |
| 09:13.24 | Shirik | Negative |
| 09:13.26 | batrick | do you want to look/work on it? |
| 09:13.28 | Tjacu | anyway, I am looking into adding a staticpopup to my addon, how hard/easy is it to do that? |
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| 09:13.30 | Shirik | what if something could throw several different types? |
| 09:13.31 | Shirik | sure |
| 09:13.44 | Shirik | Did you modify the parser? |
| 09:13.48 | batrick | had to |
| 09:14.26 | jnwhiteh | Tjacu: adding a static popup is trivial |
| 09:14.40 | jnwhiteh | Tjacu: http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_simple_pop-up_dialog_boxes |
| 09:14.59 | Tjacu | thanks |
| 09:15.16 | Tjacu | that should help me with editing the addon I am working on |
| 09:16.04 | batrick | Shirik: batbytes.com/trylua.tar.gz |
| 09:16.20 | Shirik | you gonna make me switch to linux |
| 09:16.21 | Shirik | blah |
| 09:16.37 | batrick | i dont have zip installed and am too lazy to install zip |
| 09:16.52 | Shirik | :P |
| 09:17.22 | batrick | it segfaults in soem places, i was refactoring code and fucked up |
| 09:17.30 | Shirik | fun |
| 09:17.33 | batrick | which is why I you see src2 |
| 09:17.34 | Shirik | you know what's really good |
| 09:17.35 | Shirik | valgrind! |
| 09:17.41 | batrick | and gdb |
| 09:17.43 | Shirik | do you have test cases? |
| 09:17.45 | Shirik | nah f gdb |
| 09:17.50 | batrick | like i said, I didn' thave time to figure out what was going on |
| 09:18.15 | Shirik | so you don't have the case that produced the segfault? |
| 09:18.26 | batrick | test.lua may segfault it |
| 09:18.28 | batrick | i don't remember |
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| 09:18.37 | batrick | like i said, it was put on my backburner about 2 weeks ago |
| 09:25.56 | Thunder_Child | fail "Failed to read file DUNGEONS\TEXTURES\UTGARDE\ND_UTGARDE_FLOOR_TILE_01.blp." |
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| 09:28.20 | Tjacu | darn |
| 09:28.48 | batrick | " Chuck Norris plays WoW, though only once every week. This is commonly called 'Tuesday maintenance' by Blizzard and other players. " |
| 09:28.53 | batrick | that one is cute |
| 09:31.56 | Tjacu | hmm, okay the code is not easy to solve, or soo it seems, what I really need is 3 buttons that can switch one value on the fly when people get loot, is there an easy way to do this? |
| 09:33.08 | Tjacu | because I read that the popup doesn't halt the code, but runs parallel, is this correct? |
| 09:33.52 | Shirik | Lua never runs parallel to another process |
| 09:34.03 | Shirik | s/process/script/ |
| 09:34.23 | pb_ee1 | You meant, on WoW? |
| 09:34.28 | Tjacu | okay okay, soo can I add a function inside a function to change a value? |
| 09:34.30 | Shirik | of course |
| 09:34.33 | pb_ee1 | woki ;) |
| 09:34.42 | Adys | ~whaleblackhole pb_ee1 |
| 09:35.04 | Tjacu | okay, then my work seems to be easy... |
| 09:35.04 | Adys | ~whalezero pb_ee1 |
| 09:35.05 | purl | ACTION summons Hubert the Mathematician Whale to create a black hole aimed at pb_ee1's body through a powerful unhandled division by zero. |
| 09:35.05 | pb_ee1 | ~dodge |
| 09:35.06 | purl | ACTION dodges! |
| 09:35.06 | Adys | PURL |
| 09:35.06 | pb_ee1 | purl |
| 09:35.06 | pb_ee1 | wtf |
| 09:35.26 | pb_ee1 | ~whalecrit Adys |
| 09:35.27 | purl | ACTION crits Adys with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Adys dies |
| 09:35.30 | pb_ee1 | ~whaledodge |
| 09:35.33 | pb_ee1 | ? :p |
| 09:35.39 | Tjacu | btw, to make a popup, do I need to do a XML file aswell? |
| 09:35.53 | Adys | Tjacu: xml or lua as you want |
| 09:35.54 | Shirik | no |
| 09:36.05 | pb_ee1 | Adys: lua ftw! :D |
| 09:36.05 | Thunder_Child | should really be synthetic quantum singularity |
| 09:36.22 | Tjacu | okay okay, and lua is what I am working with already |
| 09:37.39 | Shirik | why would you die due to NaN? |
| 09:38.09 | Shirik | lua> health = 10000; local nan = 0/0; print(nan); assert(nan > health); |
| 09:38.09 | lua_bot | Shirik: nan, luabot:1: assertion failed! |
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| 09:39.34 | Shirik | I have 67k honor |
| 09:39.37 | Shirik | and no arena rating |
| 09:39.38 | Shirik | what do I do with it |
| 09:40.32 | Tjacu | how do I easy do the value assignment?? "OnAccept = value = 50," |
| 09:40.46 | Tjacu | or do I need to do it more complex? |
| 09:44.26 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: honor has nothing to do with arena rating |
| 09:44.33 | Shirik | yes it does :/ |
| 09:44.40 | jnwhiteh | how so? |
| 09:44.54 | Shirik | can't buy any set armor beyond savage without it |
| 09:44.59 | Shirik | even honor-only purchases |
| 09:45.07 | jnwhiteh | so, spend it on savage? |
| 09:45.10 | jnwhiteh | or get arena points =) |
| 09:45.51 | Shirik | I just finished the savage set actually |
| 09:45.55 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 09:45.56 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 09:45.58 | Shirik | and arena points... well... |
| 09:45.59 | jnwhiteh | dunno then |
| 09:46.13 | Shirik | it seems people hate me or something ^_^ |
| 09:46.28 | Shirik | in general I think it's that people would rather have a paladin than a priest healing |
| 09:47.26 | Thunder_Child | only because they have shown better pvp abilities |
| 09:47.54 | Shirik | on a brighet note |
| 09:47.59 | Shirik | brigher note * |
| 09:48.02 | Shirik | IF HORDER EVER WINS WG |
| 09:48.06 | Shirik | I'll have 900 resilience |
| 09:48.15 | batrick | Shirik: what do u think so far |
| 09:48.23 | Shirik | I haven't extracted it yet :P |
| 09:48.32 | batrick | wow u lewzer |
| 09:53.21 | Shirik | batrick |
| 09:53.27 | Shirik | why am I downloading a tar.gz.gz |
| 09:53.52 | nevcairiel | more gz more small? |
| 09:54.03 | batrick | because your piece of shit windows operating system renamed it (added an extra extension) |
| 09:54.05 | krka | each .gz reduces size by like 50% |
| 09:54.59 | Shirik | No batrick |
| 09:55.01 | Shirik | your server renamed it |
| 09:55.17 | batrick | bullocks |
| 09:55.29 | zenzio | or it could just be the specific piece of software used to download it |
| 09:55.31 | Tjacu | okay, would this addon to the code work, or am I totaly out of my way, it works untill the popups atleast.. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/109916 |
| 09:55.32 | Shirik | nah |
| 09:55.36 | Shirik | google's software is godly |
| 09:55.38 | Shirik | it never makes mistakes |
| 09:55.41 | batrick | batrick@li50-61:~/lua$ ls /var/www |
| 09:55.42 | batrick | index.html trylua.tar.gz |
| 09:55.43 | krka | -rw-r--r-- 1 krka krka 141 2008-06-23 14:32 wowinstalled.tar.gz.gz.gz.gz.gz.gz.gz.gz.gz.gz.gz.gz.gz.gz.gz |
| 09:55.47 | batrick | my server begs to differ |
| 09:55.48 | krka | see, gz is awesome |
| 09:55.52 | Shirik | ~lart krka |
| 09:55.52 | purl | changes krka's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
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| 09:56.34 | batrick | o wait |
| 09:56.54 | Shirik | see that |
| 09:56.56 | Shirik | now he admits his mistake! |
| 09:57.02 | batrick | ? |
| 09:57.20 | batrick | i was regretting touching krka's private places |
| 09:57.33 | batrick | batbot: rite? |
| 09:57.34 | batbot | batrick, Keep dreaming. |
| 09:57.38 | Shirik | exactly. |
| 09:57.44 | batrick | batbot: did i enjoy it then? |
| 09:57.44 | batbot | batrick, Very doubtful. |
| 09:58.25 | Shirik | lvm.c: In function `try_top_dec': |
| 09:58.25 | Shirik | lvm.c:440: error: request for member `top' in something not a structure or union |
| 09:59.15 | Shirik | struct try *t = tr->try[tr.top]; |
| 09:59.26 | Shirik | Would you like to explain how you expected this to work? |
| 09:59.36 | batrick | maybe tomorrow i need sleep |
| 09:59.56 | Shirik | lol |
| 09:59.58 | batrick | syntax errors were a good reason to call it quits for a month |
| 10:00.01 | Tjacu | jnwhiteh, you still here? |
| 10:00.06 | Shirik | that syntax doesn't even make sense! |
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| 10:00.41 | zenzio | is that C or C++? |
| 10:00.52 | Shirik | C |
| 10:00.55 | Shirik | batrick hates C++ |
| 10:01.08 | zenzio | then I won't argue over the use of "try" |
| 10:01.16 | Shirik | also, batrick, there is NO way this can compile in C++ |
| 10:01.19 | Shirik | and for that I hate you |
| 10:01.24 | batrick | why not |
| 10:01.28 | Shirik | because try is a keyword! |
| 10:01.38 | batrick | o well then fuck you and your C++ |
| 10:01.41 | batrick | =) |
| 10:01.44 | krka | compile in c and link it with c++? |
| 10:01.59 | Tjacu | man, I hate having loads of discspace... I am downloading stupid shows... |
| 10:02.06 | Shirik | but one of the big things about Lua is that it's compilable both as C and C++ |
| 10:02.10 | Shirik | and batrick destroyed that :P |
| 10:02.24 | batrick | please... find replace and stop whining |
| 10:02.29 | Shirik | screw that |
| 10:02.32 | Shirik | I hit the refactor button |
| 10:02.33 | krka | sed -i -e s/try/_try/g |
| 10:02.44 | Shirik | actually _try is a keyword in visual studio ;) |
| 10:03.02 | krka | visual studio is not c++ |
| 10:03.13 | Shirik | yes but it would be preferable not to break something you know about :P |
| 10:03.26 | krka | yes it is, if it's visual studio |
| 10:03.33 | Shirik | Microsoft has its own exception processing mechanism, _try ... _except |
| 10:03.46 | Shirik | for things like access violations (SIGSEGV), etc., which normally cannot be handled by try catch |
| 10:03.55 | batrick | anyway |
| 10:04.30 | Shirik | why, in C, does everyone always do |
| 10:04.37 | Shirik | typedef struct _typename { ... } typename; |
| 10:04.47 | batrick | cuz it's purty |
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| 10:05.33 | Shirik | ............ wow |
| 10:05.44 | krka | typedef struct lua_State lua_State; |
| 10:05.45 | Shirik | gcc -o lua lua.o liblua.a -lm |
| 10:05.45 | Shirik | lua.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized |
| 10:05.52 | krka | weird line, why is it needed? |
| 10:06.07 | Shirik | lua.o being the file it just made... |
| 10:06.13 | batrick | compiler needs to know that lua_State is a struct |
| 10:06.19 | Shirik | ooooo nm |
| 10:06.24 | Shirik | batrick sent me precompiled code too! |
| 10:06.29 | batrick | shirik you are... guess you see it |
| 10:06.30 | Shirik | make clean ftw |
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| 10:06.46 | Shirik | ar: unable to rename 'liblua.a' reason: Permission denied |
| 10:06.54 | batrick | lmfao |
| 10:07.38 | krka | i suspect shirik has set up his workstation to pipe everything that's written on his terminals to irc |
| 10:07.51 | Shirik | it's batrick's code! |
| 10:09.16 | batrick | ya well that's what you get for wanting unfinished code |
| 10:09.28 | Shirik | batrick, where does this put the binary? |
| 10:09.31 | Shirik | I can't find it |
| 10:09.41 | batrick | huh? ./lua? |
| 10:10.06 | Shirik | I don't see any lua folder |
| 10:10.13 | Shirik | I did "make posix" and it succeeded |
| 10:10.26 | batrick | ya... the executable is in lua-5.1.4/src |
| 10:10.45 | batrick | so is the test.lua file |
| 10:10.50 | Shirik | ah |
| 10:10.52 | Shirik | it put it in src |
| 10:10.55 | Shirik | why did it do that again? |
| 10:11.02 | krka | where else would it put generated files? |
| 10:11.05 | batrick | because that's how the Lua authors did it |
| 10:11.23 | Shirik | shouldn't it put it in some like "build" folder or something |
| 10:11.26 | Shirik | that's how I typically see it |
| 10:11.29 | batrick | all I did to the make file that i recall was adding the -g flag to MYCFLAGS |
| 10:11.48 | Shirik | ok let's see if this works! |
| 10:11.52 | Shirik | (which it won't) |
| 10:12.21 | Shirik | ! |
| 10:12.27 | Shirik | it worked |
| 10:12.32 | Shirik | but I didn't throw any error |
| 10:12.36 | batrick | i guess i'm just a beast |
| 10:12.58 | batrick | Shirik: try test.lua |
| 10:13.01 | batrick | no pun intended |
| 10:13.08 | Shirik | ! |
| 10:13.10 | Shirik | it worked again |
| 10:13.14 | Shirik | Now to try test.lua |
| 10:14.27 | Shirik | I don't have a test.lua |
| 10:14.27 | batrick | it's in lua-5.1.4/src |
| 10:14.27 | Shirik | nm |
| 10:14.53 | Tjacu | darn, my addon show as popup, but that is all... |
| 10:15.07 | Shirik | 5 [sig] lua 4924 _cygtls::handle_exceptions: Error while dumping state (probably corrupted stack) |
| 10:15.07 | Shirik | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 10:15.10 | Shirik | you lose |
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| 10:15.39 | Shirik | I'm gonna switch to linux so I can valgrind this |
| 10:16.00 | Tjacu | I fell so... unnoticed.... darn |
| 10:16.19 | Shirik | I haven't really seen you ask a question :) |
| 10:16.57 | Tjacu | omg.. |
| 10:17.08 | Tjacu | I just typed a question.. the real way.. |
| 10:20.38 | |Jelly| | Shirik: I asked you a question and you ignored me. :( |
| 10:20.39 | batrick | ~help botmail |
| 10:21.26 | Tjacu | maybe Shirik is semiblind, but porb totaly afk |
| 10:21.32 | batrick | ~botmail for Shirik: going to sleep, talk about it tomorrow, bye pal |
| 10:21.49 | Tjacu | nn batrick |
| 10:21.57 | |Jelly| | He just doesn't love me anymore. |
| 10:22.21 | Tjacu | man, I soon got all seasons of.... power rangers..... |
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| 10:22.31 | Tjacu | okay Shirik! |
| 10:22.59 | Tjacu | what is wrong with my buttons in this code : http://wowuidev.pastey.net/109916 |
| 10:23.53 | Shirik | you defined the functions after the table for the popup |
| 10:24.00 | Shirik | that won't work |
| 10:24.06 | Tjacu | okay, how should I do it? |
| 10:24.27 | Tjacu | the buttons are what I need to work on atm |
| 10:24.28 | Shirik | define the functions first |
| 10:24.37 | krka | also, i don't think showing a popup will halt the execution |
| 10:24.47 | Tjacu | okay, soo just change the order I have put them in? |
| 10:24.53 | Shirik | yes |
| 10:25.02 | Shirik | and no, it won't halt execution |
| 10:25.04 | nevcairiel | krka is right too |
| 10:25.23 | Tjacu | darn... |
| 10:25.48 | Tjacu | well I guess I could just transfer the looting part to inside the functions, would that work? |
| 10:26.02 | Shirik | sure |
| 10:26.03 | krka | i guess |
| 10:26.34 | Tjacu | but if I press the buttons, will it call the functions I listed? |
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| 10:27.44 | Shirik | yes |
| 10:28.55 | Tjacu | cool |
| 10:33.03 | Shirik | And this is why valgrind is god, batrick |
| 10:33.05 | Shirik | ==9500== Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s) |
| 10:33.06 | Shirik | ==9500== at 0x414D79: luaV_execute (lvm.c:481) |
| 10:35.16 | Tjacu | Shirik, read your mail |
| 10:35.27 | Shirik | I read it |
| 10:35.43 | Wobin | finally got hitcapped |
| 10:35.52 | Tjacu | atm, reloading my ui, gonna see if I can fix it |
| 10:38.00 | Shirik | kd3: you use WoW on Wine, right? |
| 10:38.07 | Shirik | Anything special other than -opengl I need to do? |
| 10:38.15 | Adys | Shirik: nop |
| 10:38.21 | Adys | Shirik: well dont enable triple buffering |
| 10:38.23 | Shirik | :/ something's not right here |
| 10:38.29 | Adys | nor fullscreen glow |
| 10:38.35 | Adys | whats happening? |
| 10:38.38 | Shirik | err:module:attach_process_dlls "DivxDecoder.dll" failed to initialize, aborting |
| 10:38.48 | Shirik | err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"Z:\\mnt\\windows\\Users\\Public\\Games\\World of Warcraft\\Wow.exe" failed, status c0000005 |
| 10:38.53 | Adys | ran something on wine before? |
| 10:38.57 | Shirik | nope |
| 10:39.08 | Adys | distro? |
| 10:39.26 | Shirik | Kubuntu |
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| 10:39.54 | Adys | weird |
| 10:40.38 | zenzio | Shiibot: I assume you recognize the c0000005? |
| 10:40.41 | zenzio | *Shirik |
| 10:40.43 | Shirik | that I do |
| 10:40.47 | Shirik | sadly |
| 10:40.55 | Shirik | It's bad when you recognize random numbers as being impotant :/ |
| 10:41.04 | zenzio | that's not sad, it's like the most common exception code on Windows |
| 10:41.04 | Adys | ill tell you who's impotent |
| 10:41.08 | krka | freudian slip there? |
| 10:43.53 | Shirik | hm |
| 10:44.01 | Shirik | according to my googling, it has something to do with me being on x64 |
| 10:44.13 | Adys | I'm on x64 never seen this before |
| 10:44.59 | nevcairiel | I didnt have issues on x64 either |
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| 10:45.17 | nevcairiel | unless of course you compiled your wine in win64 mode .. but on kubuntu thats unlikely =P |
| 10:45.52 | Adys | actually wine is one of the least annoying things to compile on ubuntu |
| 10:49.37 | haste | wine compiles pretty fast |
| 10:49.46 | haste | since it's C and not C++ etc |
| 10:50.33 | Adys | if you got half a hour on a quadcore yeah its pretty fast |
| 10:53.00 | Shirik | ok I might have found the problem |
| 10:53.07 | Thunder_Child | anyone know offhand what time dailys reset? |
| 10:53.16 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: 3 or 4 depending on how you define it |
| 10:53.23 | nevcairiel | 3 am server time |
| 10:53.24 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 10:53.29 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, huh? how is it a variable |
| 10:53.36 | Thunder_Child | ok, thanks nevcairiel |
| 10:53.36 | Shirik | It's not variable, there's just 2 answers |
| 10:53.53 | Shirik | They "reset" at 3 AM, but dailies will not be available until 4 AM |
| 10:54.00 | Adys | yes they will |
| 10:54.07 | Shirik | nop |
| 10:54.07 | Thunder_Child | ya, that doesnt happen anymore |
| 10:54.10 | nevcairiel | shirik lies again =( |
| 10:54.11 | Adys | yes they will |
| 10:54.27 | Adys | but shirik is still right |
| 10:54.33 | Adys | its 3 or 4am |
| 10:54.44 | Adys | 4am during summer time |
| 10:54.47 | Adys | or whatever you call it |
| 10:55.05 | Thunder_Child | are you refering to dst? |
| 10:55.26 | Adys | maybe, how would I know |
| 10:55.32 | Thunder_Child | because you said it |
| 10:58.22 | Thunder_Child | great, wow is so damaged it says it needs to "revert" it |
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| 10:59.13 | Shirik|Ecole | ok... |
| 10:59.19 | Shirik|Ecole | I got to a different error at least |
| 10:59.22 | Thunder_Child | you didnt leave Shirik... |
| 10:59.29 | Thunder_Child | wth |
| 10:59.32 | Shirik|Ecole | No, I just killed X |
| 10:59.39 | Thunder_Child | ah, there you go |
| 10:59.45 | Shirik|Ecole | X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) |
| 10:59.50 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 10:59.56 | Shirik|Ecole | when trying to run Wow now |
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| 11:00.23 | Adys | thats a driver problem |
| 11:00.29 | Adys | whats your card/driver? |
| 11:00.35 | Shirik|Ecole | wlel |
| 11:00.40 | Shirik|Ecole | ATI, so I deserve the problems |
| 11:00.46 | Thunder_Child | it makes me wonder, i mean as no matter how badly people bad mouth windows, at least it plays wow with few problems |
| 11:00.53 | Adys | oh, goodbye. |
| 11:00.57 | Shirik|Ecole | haha |
| 11:01.07 | Thunder_Child | s/as// |
| 11:01.17 | Thunder_Child | fewer* |
| 11:01.24 | Thunder_Child | seemingly much fewer |
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| 11:02.40 | Adys | Thunder_Child: I have no problem running wow under wine |
| 11:02.54 | Adys | this is an ATI problem |
| 11:02.59 | Adys | ATI's support sucks balls |
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| 11:20.19 | Wobin | hm, what hordeside raidbuff adds to +hit? |
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| 11:28.05 | Tjacu | umm, no 1%+ soo max +6% |
| 11:28.34 | Tjacu | or if your a mage... +9% with talents and SP/moonking |
| 11:41.00 | Shirik | lua> loadstring[[foo(]] |
| 11:41.00 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil, [string "foo("]:1: unexpected symbol near '<eof>' |
| 11:41.09 | Shirik | Does anyone else think that error is misleading? |
| 11:41.12 | Shirik | "Unexpected symbol" |
| 11:41.25 | Shirik | I don't see what it thinks is unexpected |
| 11:41.28 | Shirik | the eof is unexpected, sure |
| 11:43.44 | zenzio | lua> loadstring[[foo]] |
| 11:43.45 | lua_bot | zenzio: nil, [string "foo"]:1: '=' expected near '<eof>' |
| 11:43.54 | zenzio | lua> loadstring[[foo()]] |
| 11:43.54 | lua_bot | zenzio: function: 0x80845e0 |
| 11:44.04 | mikma | shirik: apparently it doesn't expect [,(,] or ] |
| 11:44.22 | zenzio | it appears to just expect the closing parenthesis |
| 11:44.43 | Shirik | right |
| 11:45.00 | Shirik | lua> loadstring[[if(foo) then ]] |
| 11:45.00 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil, [string "if(foo) then "]:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 11:45.07 | Shirik | That's something like what I would expet |
| 11:45.14 | Shirik | maybe ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 11:45.22 | zenzio | good point |
| 11:47.03 | nevcairiel | those errors usually just tell you one of twenty solutions anyway |
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| 11:53.53 | Tjacu | Shirik, my popup works, but I get an error in staticpopup.lua |
| 11:54.06 | Tjacu | attempted to compare a value with nill |
| 11:54.13 | Tjacu | should I just forget about it? |
| 11:54.21 | Tjacu | since I only get it once |
| 11:54.28 | Tjacu | but the addon still works |
| 11:54.30 | haste | you shouldn't |
| 11:54.42 | haste | ignoring errors isn't really a solution |
| 11:54.46 | haste | that's just avoiding the issue |
| 11:55.04 | Tjacu | well, I don't know what I did wrong.. |
| 11:55.20 | haste | I don't know what you did so I can't help you :) |
| 11:55.32 | haste | neither do I know what error you do get |
| 11:55.41 | Tjacu | I just made a popupbox with lua |
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| 11:56.02 | Tjacu | could be that I don't have any deffined setting for it |
| 11:56.29 | haste | you should pastey your code and the error (with a stack if possible) |
| 11:56.31 | Tjacu | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/109916 the box part only |
| 11:56.32 | haste | that way I can help you :) |
| 11:56.50 | Tjacu | hmm, need to reload ui again then |
| 11:57.51 | haste | you need to define the functions above the place you use them Tjacu |
| 11:58.02 | Shirik | haste: About ignoring errors |
| 11:58.11 | haste | you could basically reads: OnAccept = nil |
| 11:58.12 | Shirik | do you have any idea how many segmentation faults occur in WoW silently? :) |
| 11:59.02 | Tjacu | haste: what do you mean? |
| 11:59.16 | Tjacu | I am a newbie when it comes to coding |
| 11:59.29 | haste | Tjacu: you can't use something that's not defined |
| 11:59.49 | Tjacu | soo I need to define it, how do I do that the right way? |
| 11:59.56 | haste | Tjacu: you try to use kol_dkp_value_ms as a reference, but you define it below the point you use it |
| 12:00.04 | haste | which means that lua doesn't know about it at that point |
| 12:00.07 | Tjacu | ahha |
| 12:00.11 | Tjacu | that is already fixed |
| 12:00.19 | haste | you move the three functions you have above the staticpopup definition |
| 12:00.29 | haste | well, that's how it looks on the code you posted :p |
| 12:00.33 | Tjacu | shirik told me that |
| 12:00.41 | Tjacu | my new code looks worse ^^ |
| 12:01.03 | haste | well giving me your old code won't let me help you with your new code :p |
| 12:01.10 | haste | Shirik: do tell! |
| 12:01.15 | Shirik | ? |
| 12:01.23 | haste | segfaults in wow |
| 12:01.23 | Tjacu | http://lua.pastey.net/109919 new one |
| 12:01.47 | haste | and then the error :) |
| 12:02.22 | Tjacu | Message: ..\FrameXML\StaticPopup.lua line 2639: |
| 12:02.22 | Tjacu | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.29 | Shirik | ok I just attachced visual studio to WoW while in Dalaran |
| 12:02.34 | Shirik | I'll tell you when the first exception is thrown |
| 12:03.20 | Shirik | it happens a lot more at startup :) |
| 12:03.36 | foxlit | I can has widget:IsSecureScript("OnBlah")? |
| 12:03.56 | mikma | and i'll whisper "no" |
| 12:04.09 | haste | Tjacu: you need to add timeout = 0; to your popup table |
| 12:04.17 | Tjacu | okay |
| 12:04.18 | krka | if ( dialog.timeleft > 0 ) then |
| 12:04.26 | krka | yup, that's the line in staticpopup |
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| 12:04.58 | Tjacu | I can just add it below the last line? |
| 12:05.08 | haste | in the table you define, yes |
| 12:05.39 | Tjacu | thanks |
| 12:05.42 | Tjacu | reloading again |
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| 12:06.46 | Shirik | blah |
| 12:06.49 | Shirik | now of course it doesn't happen |
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| 12:07.05 | Tjacu | woot, it works |
| 12:07.28 | haste | grats :) |
| 12:07.31 | Tjacu | btw can I add the values to the table? thinking of the name of the player and the item? |
| 12:08.32 | haste | yes you can |
| 12:08.38 | haste | you can also add arguments to the _Show afaik |
| 12:09.36 | Tjacu | haste, can you give me a sample line? |
| 12:10.32 | Tjacu | trying to read the wowwiki page for it, but I don't understand it at all |
| 12:11.55 | haste | what do you want to do? |
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| 12:12.05 | haste | I haven't used staticpopus myself in years :P |
| 12:12.24 | Tjacu | player got item |
| 12:12.35 | Tjacu | that is all the info I want it to show aswell |
| 12:12.49 | haste | player as in the name of the player? |
| 12:12.55 | Tjacu | yes |
| 12:13.25 | Tjacu | I got the info as "dkp_sPlayer got dkp_sItem" |
| 12:14.25 | haste | you can do: text = '%s got %s'; |
| 12:14.42 | haste | and call your dialog with: _Show('KINDOFLOOT', dkp_sPlayer, dkp_sItem) |
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| 12:17.31 | Tjacu | thanks, now it works!! |
| 12:18.57 | Shirik | night night |
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| 12:49.30 | Daedals | If I mouseover an unit that is over 10 levels higher than me, does the tooltip read "Level ??" |
| 12:49.45 | Adys | yes |
| 12:50.00 | nevcairiel | unless its a friendly player |
| 12:50.02 | zenzio | unless it's a friendly player |
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| 12:50.03 | zenzio | damnit |
| 12:50.06 | Daedals | :D |
| 12:50.07 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 12:50.16 | zenzio | the worst part is that it's ALWYAS NEV |
| 12:50.16 | Daedals | yeah I'm talking about creatures |
| 12:50.20 | zenzio | and always |
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| 12:51.33 | [L4E]Flowy | string = "this || is string" how to get "this" with function string.match please |
| 12:51.37 | haste | zenzio: nevcairiel has a spy camera |
| 12:51.52 | nevcairiel | its a satellite |
| 12:52.04 | zenzio | that's it, I'm getting a roof |
| 12:52.30 | haste | lua> =('this || is string'):match('(%w+) ||') |
| 12:52.30 | lua_bot | haste: this |
| 12:53.05 | [L4E]Flowy | thx |
| 12:56.18 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> string.match("this || is string") |
| 12:56.18 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'match' (string expected, got no value) |
| 12:56.35 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> string.match("this || is string","(%w+)||") |
| 12:56.35 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: nil |
| 12:56.41 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> string.match("this || is string","(%w+) ||") |
| 12:56.42 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: this |
| 12:56.56 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> string.match("th1s || is string","(%d+) ||") |
| 12:56.57 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: nil |
| 12:57.21 | nevcairiel | you can also query lua_bot if you need to test stuff |
| 12:57.57 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm what is pattern if i need number with , |
| 12:58.29 | alestane | Give an example of a string you'd want to match. |
| 12:58.55 | [L4E]Flowy | string = "20 ||" |
| 12:58.56 | [L4E]Flowy | or |
| 12:59.09 | [L4E]Flowy | string = "20, 50, 55 ||" |
| 12:59.17 | [L4E]Flowy | in first i need 20 |
| 12:59.28 | [L4E]Flowy | in second 20, 50, 55 |
| 12:59.56 | alestane | In the second, do you need "20, 50, 55" or "20", "50", "55"? |
| 13:00.06 | [L4E]Flowy | "20, 50, 55" |
| 13:01.07 | [L4E]Flowy | and if there is just "||" it find nothing |
| 13:01.26 | alestane | "([%d, ]+) ||.+" |
| 13:02.07 | alestane | lua> ("20, 50, 55 || is string"):match("([%d, ]+) ||.+") |
| 13:02.07 | lua_bot | alestane: 20, 50, 55 |
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| 13:02.31 | alestane | lua> ("20 || is string"):match("([%d, ]+) ||.+") |
| 13:02.32 | lua_bot | alestane: 20 |
| 13:02.42 | alestane | lua> ("giberrish || is string"):match("([%d, ]+) ||.+") |
| 13:02.42 | lua_bot | alestane: nil |
| 13:02.47 | alestane | There you go. |
| 13:02.52 | [L4E]Flowy | thanks |
| 13:03.21 | alestane | "[%d, ]" means "anything which is a digit, a comma or a space. |
| 13:03.56 | Legorol | Does anyone happen to know: when you are in a vehicle, what does "player", "pet" and "playerpet" refer to respectively? |
| 13:04.11 | nevcairiel | player is the same as always |
| 13:04.21 | Legorol | Also, does your controlled pet despawn when you get into a vehicle? |
| 13:04.30 | Legorol | (as opposed to uncontrolled pets such as water elemental and risen ghoul) |
| 13:04.30 | nevcairiel | playerpet is just an alias for pet |
| 13:04.54 | alestane | Legorol: Your pet or minion is typically "suppressed" while you're in a vehicle. |
| 13:04.54 | nevcairiel | and pet points to your vehicle, in that case |
| 13:05.14 | Legorol | i have tested that one alestane, my ghoul didn't get supressed |
| 13:05.17 | alestane | Demons and hunter pets disappear until you dismount the vehicle. |
| 13:05.24 | Legorol | it helped attack whatever i was attacking with the vehicle |
| 13:05.43 | Legorol | thanks nevcairiel |
| 13:05.44 | nevcairiel | non-permanent ghoul? |
| 13:05.44 | alestane | That may depend on the vehicle. And are you unholy, with the Master of Ghouls talent? |
| 13:05.50 | Legorol | yes nevcairiel |
| 13:06.06 | alestane | That's not a pet, it's a companion. |
| 13:06.09 | Legorol | no, i was specifically referring to uncontrolled pets, hence non-perma ghoul |
| 13:06.13 | alestane | Or a guardian, rather. |
| 13:06.22 | Legorol | ok |
| 13:07.05 | alestane | A pet is under your control, with a pet bar. A guardian is basically an NPC mob that attacks what you do. A companion is typically a vanity pet. |
| 13:07.16 | Legorol | so what is a minion then :o) |
| 13:07.39 | nevcairiel | all of those are your minions |
| 13:07.41 | Legorol | as for nameplates, if i'm not mistaken, the "uncontrolled" one says X's companion |
| 13:07.56 | Legorol | i mean things like water elemental |
| 13:08.06 | Legorol | i'll test this in a sec :) |
| 13:08.14 | nevcairiel | water elementals are like all pets |
| 13:08.17 | nevcairiel | even if its time limited |
| 13:08.21 | Legorol | yah i know |
| 13:08.22 | nevcairiel | You can control it |
| 13:08.26 | nevcairiel | with a pet bar and al |
| 13:08.28 | nevcairiel | *all |
| 13:08.34 | Legorol | oh right my bad >.< |
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| 13:08.40 | Legorol | i had that one wrong then |
| 13:09.02 | Legorol | you are right alestane, i remembered wrong |
| 13:09.05 | Legorol | nameplate says guardian |
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| 13:09.56 | [L4E]Flowy | if i have "function MyFunction(number)" |
| 13:10.09 | [L4E]Flowy | can i use "number = number + 1" ? |
| 13:10.27 | Elkano | sure |
| 13:10.36 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm ok |
| 13:10.46 | alestane | It won't change the original, though, all arguments in Lua are by value. |
| 13:10.52 | Elkano | but lua is call by value, so it won't change the variable you used to call the function |
| 13:12.16 | alestane | lua> function f(number) number = number +1; return number end; x = 5; print(f(x), f(x+2)) |
| 13:12.16 | lua_bot | alestane: 6, 8 |
| 13:12.39 | alestane | ^ x does not change |
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| 13:13.17 | Elkano | well, it shouldn't :/ |
| 13:13.59 | alestane | Arguments are effectively local variables of the function that are set by the caller. |
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| 13:17.25 | Elkano | oh, my fault.. I thought it did change when I saw the f(x+2) = 8 |
| 13:17.33 | Elkano | forgot that f itselfs will add 1 ^^ |
| 13:18.28 | krka | you can do something tricky like this though: |
| 13:18.30 | krka | x = setmetatable({n = 5}, {__add = function(a, b) a.n = a.n + b return a end, __tostring = function(t) return t.n end}) |
| 13:21.14 | alestane | It's not clear why you'd want to, but you can. |
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| 13:23.34 | [L4E]Flowy | can i get raidId by name? |
| 13:23.43 | [L4E]Flowy | without "for" |
| 13:26.10 | mikma | sure you can! |
| 13:26.25 | [L4E]Flowy | how? |
| 13:26.36 | mikma | lol you don't know?!? |
| 13:26.56 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm no there is not function "UnitRaidId()" |
| 13:27.11 | nevcairiel | you could also use while, no need for for =) |
| 13:27.19 | mikma | nevcairiel: xD |
| 13:27.22 | zenzio | use do |
| 13:27.26 | [L4E]Flowy | ... without for or while hmm |
| 13:27.31 | mikma | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#unit |
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| 13:31.00 | haste | you still have repeat until! |
| 13:31.01 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm what here? |
| 13:31.36 | nevcairiel | until is just a while in disguise |
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| 13:31.45 | [L4E]Flowy | i think that wow makes var like RaidId1 = UnitName("Raid"..1) |
| 13:31.57 | nevcairiel | no it doesnt |
| 13:32.01 | haste | You can use the name of the player afaik |
| 13:32.17 | haste | but it has to be written exactly the same, and the player has to be in your raid |
| 13:32.22 | nevcairiel | Nearly all Unit* functions support names as long as those are players in your raid, yea |
| 13:34.19 | [L4E]Flowy | ok :) using "for" is easier :D |
| 13:34.49 | haste | oh internet! why are you so slow! |
| 13:35.06 | mikma | http://omglol.kerrolisaa.com/1/11178.jpg |
| 13:35.15 | haste | LOADING! |
| 13:35.27 | haste | my internet is full of scheisse! |
| 13:36.26 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> print(GetTime()) |
| 13:36.27 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'GetTime' (a nil value) |
| 13:36.43 | [L4E]Flowy | get time return server time or computer time? |
| 13:38.27 | mikma | haste: did you see this already? http://kuvaton.com/bshit/2_girls_1_cup.jpg |
| 13:38.59 | [L4E]Flowy | hehe |
| 13:39.05 | haste | mikma: needs more 1 guy 1 jar |
| 13:39.12 | mikma | ya, ya! |
| 13:41.36 | [L4E]Flowy | what NotifyInspect("unit") do? |
| 13:43.17 | [L4E]Flowy | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories hmm nice web why its better like wowwiki? :) |
| 13:44.58 | mikma | because jnwhiteh did it |
| 13:46.53 | mikma | haste: seriosly, this might be the funniest "stupid photoshop" there has been in a while: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/kettaunen2.jpg |
| 13:47.15 | haste | LOADING |
| 13:47.31 | haste | too abused :p |
| 13:49.27 | [L4E]Flowy | NotifyInspect("raid"..id); |
| 13:49.27 | [L4E]Flowy | return GetInventoryItemLink("raid"..id, GetInventorySlotInfo(MLootRaid["slot"])); |
| 13:49.27 | [L4E]Flowy | ClearInspectPlayer() |
| 13:49.36 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm can this work? |
| 13:49.45 | [L4E]Flowy | it work without clearinspect |
| 13:50.46 | nevcairiel | ~pil |
| 13:50.47 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 13:50.48 | nevcairiel | imho |
| 13:51.41 | nevcairiel | now i scared him away |
| 13:51.43 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 14:06.42 | Kalroth | you meanie |
| 14:07.34 | mikma | now you scared foxlit and wobin away too |
| 14:10.34 | Kalroth | must be the deo |
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| 14:13.35 | WobWork | I'm just going to bed |
| 14:13.49 | Rabbitbunny | the heck... FuBar is out of date? |
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| 14:14.00 | nevcairiel | fubar has been out of date for a long time |
| 14:14.10 | Rabbitbunny | what is everyone using? |
| 14:14.15 | kneeki | Morning Everyone |
| 14:14.21 | nevcairiel | something LDBish |
| 14:14.38 | WobWork | ninjapanel |
| 14:15.28 | nevcairiel | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=14903 |
| 14:15.30 | nevcairiel | there is some info |
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| 14:18.42 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm |
| 14:19.24 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> print(string.match("57, 85 text | this | string", "([%d, ]+) |.+")) |
| 14:19.25 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: nil |
| 14:19.40 | [L4E]Flowy | how to get "57, 85 text" ? |
| 14:19.58 | [L4E]Flowy | i try (.+) |
| 14:19.59 | [L4E]Flowy | but ... |
| 14:20.05 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> print(string.match("57, 85 text | this | string", "(.+) |.+")) |
| 14:20.05 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: 57, 85 text | this |
| 14:20.16 | [L4E]Flowy | it return watch last | |
| 14:20.55 | Teomyr | does lua support lazy quantifiers? you could try to add a question mark after the plus in the first group, dunno if lua supports that |
| 14:21.40 | Teomyr | alternatively, ([^|]+) might work, though you might need to escape the | with backslashes |
| 14:21.55 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> print(string.match("57, 85 text | this | string", "(.+?) |.+")) |
| 14:21.55 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: nil |
| 14:22.14 | [L4E]Flowy | i know ... "57, 85 text | this | string" is string that return GetText() |
| 14:22.42 | alestane | If you want everything up to the first | then use "[^|]+" |
| 14:22.56 | [L4E]Flowy | ok thx |
| 14:23.15 | [L4E]Flowy | print(string.match("57, 85 text | this | string", "[^|]+")) |
| 14:23.20 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> print(string.match("57, 85 text | this | string", "[^|]+")) |
| 14:23.20 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: 57, 85 text |
| 14:23.24 | [L4E]Flowy | yeah |
| 14:24.46 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> if not string.match("| text", "[^|]+") then print("this") end |
| 14:24.46 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: No output |
| 14:25.34 | [L4E]Flowy | ehm |
| 14:25.45 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> print(string.match("| text", "[^|]+")) |
| 14:25.45 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: text |
| 14:25.52 | [L4E]Flowy | if there is nothing i want nothing :( |
| 14:26.01 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> print(string.match(" | text", "[^|]+")) |
| 14:26.01 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: No output |
| 14:26.08 | [L4E]Flowy | ok :) i can use space |
| 14:27.33 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> if not string.match(" | text", "[^|]+") then print("this") end |
| 14:27.33 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: No output |
| 14:27.39 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> print(string.match(" | text", "[^|]+")) |
| 14:27.39 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: No output |
| 14:27.45 | [L4E]Flowy | why it have this? |
| 14:27.51 | [L4E]Flowy | string is true or false? |
| 14:27.53 | [L4E]Flowy | or not? |
| 14:28.37 | [L4E]Flowy | what return string.match(" | text", "[^|]+") when it is not false nor nil |
| 14:29.28 | alestane | lua> print(string.match("| text", "^[^|]+")) |
| 14:29.28 | lua_bot | alestane: nil |
| 14:29.41 | [L4E]Flowy | alestane write space before | |
| 14:29.58 | alestane | lua> print(string.match(" | text", "^[^|]+")) |
| 14:29.58 | lua_bot | alestane: No output |
| 14:30.16 | [L4E]Flowy | it might be "" yes? |
| 14:30.29 | alestane | I would expect " ". |
| 14:30.33 | nevcairiel | must be something with lua_bot |
| 14:30.40 | alestane | lua> string.match(" | text", "^[^|]+") |
| 14:30.41 | lua_bot | alestane: No output |
| 14:30.41 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> if not string.match(" | text", "[^|]+") then print("this") end |
| 14:30.41 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: No output |
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| 14:30.44 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> if string.match(" | text", "[^|]+") then print("this") end |
| 14:30.44 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: this |
| 14:31.14 | alestane | lua> string.match(" | text", "^[^|%S]+") |
| 14:31.14 | lua_bot | alestane: No output |
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| 14:31.26 | nevcairiel | lua> string.format("%q", string.match(" | text", "^[^|]+")) |
| 14:31.27 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: " " |
| 14:31.27 | alestane | lua> #string.match(" | text", "^[^|%S]+") |
| 14:31.27 | lua_bot | alestane: 1 |
| 14:31.27 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm ok then if i write space before | it can be forewer true |
| 14:31.49 | alestane | It is returning " " (one space), but the bot is treating that as no visible output. |
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| 14:32.52 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> local str = string.match(" | text", "[^|]+"); if not str then print("this") end |
| 14:32.52 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: No output |
| 14:33.20 | alestane | str is " " in that case, which is a true value in Lua. |
| 14:33.23 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> local str = string.match(" | text", "[^|]+"); if not str then print("this") else print("false") end |
| 14:33.23 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: false |
| 14:33.39 | [L4E]Flowy | ah :( |
| 14:33.56 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> local str = string.match("hhh | text", "[^|]+"); if not str then print("this") else print("false") end |
| 14:33.56 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: false |
| 14:34.19 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm |
| 14:34.52 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> local str = string.match(" | text", "[^|]+"); if str ~= "" then print("this") else print("false") end |
| 14:34.52 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: this |
| 14:35.52 | alestane | I have a better idea, I think. |
| 14:36.05 | alestane | lua_bot may not like it but it will work in WoW. |
| 14:36.11 | alestane | lua> string.split |
| 14:36.11 | lua_bot | alestane: function: 0x80a80e0 |
| 14:36.19 | alestane | Okay, the bot should be okay with it too. |
| 14:36.40 | alestane | lua> string.split("|", "hhh | text") |
| 14:36.40 | lua_bot | alestane: hhh , text |
| 14:36.51 | alestane | lua> (string.split("|", "hhh | text")) |
| 14:36.51 | lua_bot | alestane: hhh |
| 14:37.53 | alestane | lua> ("%q"):format(string.split("|", "hhh | text")) |
| 14:37.53 | lua_bot | alestane: "hhh " |
| 14:38.00 | alestane | lua> ("%q"):format(string.split("|", "hhh | text"):trim()) |
| 14:38.01 | lua_bot | alestane: luabot:1: attempt to call method 'trim' (a nil value) |
| 14:38.05 | alestane | Right. |
| 14:38.11 | alestane | lua> strtrim |
| 14:38.11 | lua_bot | alestane: function: 0x80a2c30 |
| 14:38.29 | alestane | lua> ("%q"):format(trim(string.split("|", "hhh | text"))) |
| 14:38.29 | lua_bot | alestane: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'trim' (a nil value) |
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| 14:38.35 | alestane | lua> ("%q"):format(strtrim(string.split("|", "hhh | text"))) |
| 14:38.35 | lua_bot | alestane: "hhh " |
| 14:39.08 | alestane | lua> ("%q"):format(string.split("|", "hhh | text"):gsub("%s", "")) |
| 14:39.09 | lua_bot | alestane: "hhh" |
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| 14:40.26 | alestane | [L4E]Flowy: The real question is, what sort of output do you WANT? |
| 14:42.12 | [L4E]Flowy | i want all that is before | |
| 14:42.23 | alestane | Even if it's just a space? |
| 14:42.34 | [L4E]Flowy | it might be number spaces , but |c too :( |
| 14:42.53 | alestane | You mean a color code? |
| 14:42.56 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm i must remove color or change | to something another |
| 14:42.57 | [L4E]Flowy | yes |
| 14:43.05 | nevcairiel | that will be a complex regex if you allow color codes |
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| 14:43.44 | alestane | How will you know which | is something to split on and which is something you want to keep? |
| 14:45.05 | [L4E]Flowy | "rollnumber[|c(red), possiblell, ...|r] || collorednick || itemthatunithave |
| 14:45.15 | [L4E]Flowy | is string that i write |
| 14:45.34 | [L4E]Flowy | and string that is in function is GetText() from this |
| 14:45.38 | alestane | And which part of that do you need? |
| 14:45.44 | [L4E]Flowy | the first |
| 14:45.51 | [L4E]Flowy | just numbers |
| 14:45.55 | [L4E]Flowy | if there is number |
| 14:46.02 | [L4E]Flowy | i need this and add another |
| 14:46.15 | [L4E]Flowy | if there is number and colored number i need it and add ... |
| 14:46.28 | [L4E]Flowy | if there is just space i need to add noncolored roll ... |
| 14:46.52 | alestane | So up to the |r? |
| 14:47.04 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm |
| 14:47.20 | [L4E]Flowy | i need true if string have number |
| 14:47.34 | [L4E]Flowy | no :( |
| 14:47.38 | alestane | Will it be one number or a series of numbers? |
| 14:47.39 | [L4E]Flowy | ah |
| 14:47.45 | [L4E]Flowy | if it is first roll |
| 14:47.53 | [L4E]Flowy | then there is just space |
| 14:48.11 | [L4E]Flowy | if it is second roll there is number |
| 14:48.21 | [L4E]Flowy | if it is third roll there is number, red number |
| 14:49.00 | alestane | Can you write examples of all three? The entire string as you're going to get it? |
| 14:49.20 | [L4E]Flowy | on start it is " | name ... |
| 14:49.33 | [L4E]Flowy | then "50 | name... |
| 14:49.53 | [L4E]Flowy | then "50, |c 54 |r | name |
| 14:50.13 | [L4E]Flowy | but i need just two states |
| 14:50.19 | [L4E]Flowy | false when there is space |
| 14:50.26 | [L4E]Flowy | and true if there is something |
| 14:50.27 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm |
| 14:50.44 | alestane | And what do you want in that third case? "50", "50, 54", or "50, |c 54 |r"? |
| 14:50.55 | [L4E]Flowy | just add number |
| 14:51.33 | [L4E]Flowy | mmt paste |
| 14:52.17 | alestane | lua> string.match(string.gsub("50, |c 54 |r | name", "|%S+", ""), "^[^|]+") |
| 14:52.17 | lua_bot | alestane: 50, 54 |
| 14:53.22 | alestane | The gsub will eliminate all "|+something else" strings and leave only the ones with whitespace after them. |
| 14:53.46 | [L4E]Flowy | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/109926 |
| 14:53.52 | [L4E]Flowy | but there is problem |
| 14:54.25 | [L4E]Flowy | if str ~= "" then |
| 14:54.28 | [L4E]Flowy | is still true |
| 14:54.32 | [L4E]Flowy | i dont know why hmm |
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| 14:55.22 | [L4E]Flowy | it just rewrite the normal number |
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| 14:56.21 | [L4E]Flowy | ah its bad :( |
| 14:56.56 | [L4E]Flowy | it must be == not ~= hmm |
| 15:00.27 | kraftman | wheres the best place to put a feature request for recount? |
| 15:01.22 | selckin | in a patch that imploements it |
| 15:01.35 | kraftman | ^^ |
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| 15:09.58 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> local str = string.match(" | text", "[^|]+"); if str == " " then print("this") end |
| 15:09.58 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: this |
| 15:10.03 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> local str = string.match(" | text", "[^|]+"); if str == "" then print("this") end |
| 15:10.03 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: No output |
| 15:10.22 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> local str = string.match("20 | text", "[^|]+"); if str == "" then print("this") end |
| 15:10.23 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: No output |
| 15:11.41 | mikma | [l4e]flowy: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/weblua |
| 15:12.05 | [L4E]Flowy | MLootItemName:SetText(""); |
| 15:12.16 | [L4E]Flowy | elseif (event=="CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM" and strmatch(arg1,"rolls") and MLootItemName:GetText() ~= " ") then |
| 15:12.20 | [L4E]Flowy | why it is true??? |
| 15:12.35 | [L4E]Flowy | i try it with "" but it is stil true :( |
| 15:12.53 | alestane | " " ~= "" |
| 15:13.06 | [L4E]Flowy | i try it with both |
| 15:13.10 | [L4E]Flowy | its still true ... |
| 15:13.13 | mikma | because arg1 matches "rolls" and the itemname has " " or "" in it |
| 15:13.55 | [L4E]Flowy | yeah it have |
| 15:14.21 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> str = ""; if str ~= "" then print("this") end |
| 15:14.22 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: No output |
| 15:14.24 | [L4E]Flowy | ... |
| 15:14.44 | alestane | That's normal because of how the bot works. |
| 15:15.05 | [L4E]Flowy | but game return true :( i try it again :( |
| 15:15.57 | alestane | str = ""; print(string.format("%q", #str > 0 and str or "this")) |
| 15:16.03 | alestane | lua> str = ""; print(string.format("%q", #str > 0 and str or "this")) |
| 15:16.04 | lua_bot | alestane: "this" |
| 15:16.11 | alestane | lua> str = " "; print(string.format("%q", #str > 0 and str or "this")) |
| 15:16.12 | lua_bot | alestane: " " |
| 15:16.40 | [L4E]Flowy | that is first command - MLootItemName:SetText(""); |
| 15:16.56 | [L4E]Flowy | and after roll i use event - elseif (event=="CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM" and strmatch(arg1,"rolls") and MLootItemName:GetText() ~= "") then |
| 15:17.01 | [L4E]Flowy | it is TRUE |
| 15:17.07 | [L4E]Flowy | and return error |
| 15:18.21 | alestane | After MLootItemName:SetText(), try adding "print(tostring(MLootItemName:GetText()))" |
| 15:19.27 | [L4E]Flowy | ah :( |
| 15:19.30 | kraftman | i think its better to use arg1:match("mystring") then string.match(arg1, "mystring") btw |
| 15:19.58 | [L4E]Flowy | the first function that reset table is in another event ^^ |
| 15:20.43 | [L4E]Flowy | MLootItemName:SetText(""); can i add this on start of lua file? |
| 15:20.59 | alestane | Sure. |
| 15:21.24 | alestane | As long as MLootItemName already exists by that point, such as from being created in a XML file that was already loaded. |
| 15:23.29 | [L4E]Flowy | but ... |
| 15:23.29 | [L4E]Flowy | <FontString name="$parentItemName" inherits="StringTemplate" text=""> |
| 15:23.29 | [L4E]Flowy | was in xml |
| 15:23.33 | [L4E]Flowy | why it dont work? |
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| 15:24.08 | alestane | I think what text="" actually does, is set the text to the contents of a global variable with that name, judging by how Blizzard seems to use it for localization. |
| 15:24.24 | alestane | There's no global named "", so it sets it to nil. |
| 15:25.24 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm ok and now the first problem :( |
| 15:25.37 | [L4E]Flowy | local str = string.match(getglobal("MLootRaid"..i):GetText(), "[^|]+") |
| 15:25.37 | [L4E]Flowy | if str == " " then |
| 15:25.41 | [L4E]Flowy | now it still return false |
| 15:26.21 | [L4E]Flowy | if it is " | name" |
| 15:26.28 | [L4E]Flowy | or it is "50 | name" |
| 15:26.31 | [L4E]Flowy | it is false |
| 15:27.04 | alestane | Try |
| 15:27.27 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: Any chance you can add NinjaPanel to that LDB post? |
| 15:28.06 | alestane | local str = _G["MLootRaid"..i]:GetText():match("^[^|]+"):gsub("%s", "") |
| 15:29.35 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> local str = string.match(" | name", "[^|]+"); if str == " " then print("this") end |
| 15:29.35 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: this |
| 15:29.44 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm there it return true |
| 15:29.47 | [L4E]Flowy | but in game false |
| 15:31.23 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm now its ok |
| 15:31.29 | [L4E]Flowy | but the first is bad :( |
| 15:33.01 | [L4E]Flowy | i call on start of lua function - MLoot_Reset(); |
| 15:33.22 | [L4E]Flowy | there is MLootItemName:SetText(""); |
| 15:33.47 | [L4E]Flowy | and elseif (event=="CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM" and strmatch(arg1,"rolls") and MLootItemName:GetText() ~= "") then return true |
| 15:33.53 | [L4E]Flowy | when i start the addon |
| 15:34.07 | [L4E]Flowy | and rewrite the fontstring - then reset it return false |
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| 15:37.36 | Lopeppeppy | Fonstring became frosting in my mind. I'm hungry. |
| 15:37.49 | kraftman | mm |
| 15:37.58 | kraftman | delicious frosting |
| 15:38.36 | kraftman | frosting:SetPoint("CENTER", MyMouth, "CENTER") |
| 15:40.02 | [L4E]Flowy | :D |
| 15:42.19 | jnwhiteh | jesus |
| 15:42.22 | jnwhiteh | iphone sdk |
| 15:42.23 | jnwhiteh | 1.75 gigs |
| 15:42.54 | nevcairiel | do you download a whole OS with that? |
| 15:43.07 | jnwhiteh | apparently |
| 15:43.25 | nevcairiel | I'm still scared of the crazy Obj-C code |
| 15:43.33 | jnwhiteh | yeah its a bit odd |
| 15:45.39 | Larana | Would someone please help me with my darn code? I'm trying to replace ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS[quality].hex with GetItemQualityColor, but I can't get it set right. http://www.pastey.net/109933 |
| 15:46.16 | Larana | I either get that SetItemQualityColor is a nil value or the value I get in the tooltip isn't correct or colored right. |
| 15:48.22 | Larana | Currently I'm just trying to change ilvl. |
| 15:50.28 | zenzelezz | damn you Amazon.com for making me thing the third book in the Void Trilogy serious was about to be released, when in fact it was only the *American* release of the *second* book >.< |
| 15:50.29 | Jamash | don't you mean GetItemQualityColor instead of SetItemQualityColor? |
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| 15:51.08 | [L4E]Flowy | string.match return pattern |
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| 15:51.19 | [L4E]Flowy | is there something that return all but pattern? |
| 15:52.05 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 15:52.09 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 15:52.15 | [L4E]Flowy | moment |
| 15:52.15 | jnwhiteh | if you want everything but a pattern |
| 15:52.25 | jnwhiteh | make everything outside the pattern a capture |
| 15:52.32 | jnwhiteh | or use string.find and string.sub |
| 15:53.30 | Larana | Jamash: GetItemQuality returns incorrect info. |
| 15:53.31 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm how to make this if i want remove word "roll" |
| 15:53.55 | Jamash | incorrect how? |
| 15:54.03 | jnwhiteh | lua> ("Would you like to roll?"):gsub("roll", "") |
| 15:54.03 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: Would you like to ?, 1 |
| 15:54.11 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:54.33 | Larana | As in ilvl shows as a number, decimal and it isn't in the quailty color |
| 15:55.18 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> gsub("this roll hmm roll eh", "roll", "") |
| 15:55.18 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'gsub' (a nil value) |
| 15:55.37 | Jamash | GetItemQualityColor returns r, g, b, hex |
| 15:55.47 | ronghail | hi, trying to write my first addon, modifying tekJunkSeller to also sell soulbound items that I can't use, like plate on a priest. none of these item functions seems to tell me either of those |
| 15:56.11 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> string.gsub("this roll hmm roll eh", "roll", "") |
| 15:56.11 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: this hmm eh, 2 |
| 15:56.36 | Larana | Okay, Jamash if you look at the pastey link, what I have there, change set to get, makes the ilvl an obscure decimal |
| 15:56.43 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> print(string.gsub("this roll hmm roll eh", "roll", "")) |
| 15:56.43 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: this hmm eh, 2 |
| 15:56.46 | ronghail | IsEquippableItem I think is not character specific |
| 15:56.56 | Larana | And as far as I know it isn't the hex code |
| 15:57.21 | ronghail | and GetItemInfo doesn't seem to have soulbound |
| 15:57.25 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> this = string.gsub("this roll hmm roll eh", "roll", ""); print(this) |
| 15:57.25 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: this hmm eh |
| 15:57.25 | Jamash | it's the red value |
| 15:57.50 | Jamash | r, g, b, hex = GetItemQualityColor(number) |
| 15:58.13 | Jamash | so you want to get the r, g, b triplet and use that to color your string |
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| 15:59.22 | Larana | Right, and I have r, g, b = GetItemQualityColor(rarity), but what would I have to display on the ilvl line for it to actually color the string? |
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| 16:00.23 | zenzelezz | http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/03/11/9469852.aspx -- it's scary to know that there are people like that out there |
| 16:00.23 | Jamash | hmm, I've never dealt with string coloring |
| 16:01.09 | Jamash | well, the fourth return value is something like |cffff8000 |
| 16:03.02 | Jamash | so I'd guess you want local r, g, b, hex = GetItemQualityColor(rarity) |
| 16:04.04 | Jamash | frame:AddLine("Item Lvl: "..hex..ilvl) |
| 16:04.07 | Mike-N-Go | ~seen xes |
| 16:04.38 | purl | Mike-N-Go: i haven't seen 'xes' |
| 16:05.13 | Jamash | that should work, but no guarantees |
| 16:05.19 | MentalPower | Anyone know if there's a list of what IPs have been assigned by ARIN to a specific ASN? |
| 16:05.51 | MentalPower | I already know the BGP announces, but I want to know the actual allocations |
| 16:05.59 | Larana | Jamash I swear to the heavens that I tried that at least three times, and only after you tell me to do it, does it work. >.< |
| 16:06.07 | Larana | Jamash: Thank you very much |
| 16:06.31 | Jamash | you're welcome :) |
| 16:06.46 | jnwhiteh | Anyone here from Iceland? |
| 16:06.51 | jnwhiteh | or have any contacts there? |
| 16:07.19 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> string.match("this","%w") |
| 16:07.20 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: t |
| 16:07.23 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> string.match("this","%w+") |
| 16:07.23 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: this |
| 16:07.26 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> string.match("this","%w*") |
| 16:07.26 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: this |
| 16:07.35 | [L4E]Flowy | what is another in + and * hmm |
| 16:07.58 | nevcairiel | * matches 0 to alot, + requires at least 1 |
| 16:08.18 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> string.match(" ","%w*") |
| 16:08.18 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: No output |
| 16:08.46 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> if string.match("","%w+") then print("this") end |
| 16:08.46 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: No output |
| 16:08.56 | Jamash | MentalPower: something like ftp://ftp.arin.net/pub/stats/arin/delegated-arin-latest ? |
| 16:08.59 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> if string.match("this","%w+") then print("this") end |
| 16:08.59 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: this |
| 16:09.13 | durcyn | bot still responds to whispers. |
| 16:10.25 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 16:10.29 | jnwhiteh | please use PMs |
| 16:10.34 | jnwhiteh | rather than .. spamming the channel |
| 16:11.21 | MentalPower | Jamash: hmm... I guess that'll have to do. I'll compare that to the BGP announce |
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| 16:12.22 | Jamash | I don't even know what that is, I just googled ip arin asn |
| 16:14.00 | Lunessa | [L4E]Flowy: It would be nice if you would take your queries to luabot out of the channel. It responds directly you know. |
| 16:14.18 | Lunessa | Oh, hey lunessa welcome to like 5 minutes ago. /facepalm |
| 16:14.50 | kraftman | http://hdimage.org/images/ihgqqc0o9m9venmw807p_ocrnhot031109145134.jpg recoutn with less clutter :) |
| 16:14.54 | kraftman | recount* |
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| 16:15.45 | Fisker- | looks like shit |
| 16:15.48 | kraftman | :O |
| 16:16.32 | kraftman | imo it looks better than this: http://hdimage.org/images/87xyfc2juy2ssxoqo5tb_ocrnhot031109145131.jpg |
| 16:16.37 | Jamash | Fisker- failed out of charm school |
| 16:16.55 | Lunessa | What did you do, kill all the frame elements? |
| 16:17.07 | kraftman | hide them until mouseover |
| 16:17.16 | Lunessa | Except the bars. |
| 16:17.19 | kraftman | yup |
| 16:17.33 | Lunessa | It's an interesting design choice, but doesn't suit me. |
| 16:18.09 | kraftman | so u think it looks like shit too? :P |
| 16:18.45 | Lunessa | No, I just don't find it personally appealing. I hate your minimap, but not your recount. |
| 16:18.52 | kraftman | ^^ |
| 16:19.27 | [L4E]Flowy | how to get in game what fontstring contains |
| 16:19.30 | [L4E]Flowy | if it is "" |
| 16:19.31 | [L4E]Flowy | or nil |
| 16:19.32 | kraftman | can you recommend a better minimap addon? |
| 16:19.33 | [L4E]Flowy | or what? |
| 16:19.34 | Lunessa | I run Recount, but I keep it hidden until I toggle it. The bars on Omen3 dancing around are enough of a distraction. |
| 16:19.48 | kraftman | i only show it out of combat |
| 16:20.16 | kraftman | its omen in combat |
| 16:20.22 | Jamash | I keep recount up so I can tell whether I'm out-dpsing the tank :-X |
| 16:20.26 | Lunessa | kraftman: I like borders. I'll show you in a sec. |
| 16:20.30 | kraftman | kk :) |
| 16:21.05 | Lunessa | http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/WoW%20Interface%20Gallery/UI-2009-03-02-03.jpg |
| 16:21.15 | kraftman | ive thought about adding a border but then i would have to add borders to my action bars, which i cant do |
| 16:21.33 | [L4E]Flowy | how to get in game what fontstring contains if it is "" or nil |
| 16:21.51 | jnwhiteh | :GetText() |
| 16:21.55 | [L4E]Flowy | ... |
| 16:21.57 | [L4E]Flowy | but |
| 16:22.07 | [L4E]Flowy | how to get that it is "" |
| 16:22.08 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: all I caught was "border" and "wow interface", and somehow I picture an HTML 3.2 version of WoW Interface with border="2" |
| 16:22.09 | [L4E]Flowy | or nil |
| 16:22.16 | [L4E]Flowy | or fontstring dont exists hmm |
| 16:22.23 | kraftman | Lunessa: thats nice, would be even nice if the clock had the same |
| 16:22.27 | kraftman | nicer* |
| 16:22.28 | jnwhiteh | Huh? |
| 16:22.32 | jnwhiteh | you're not making any sense [L4E]Flowy |
| 16:22.37 | jnwhiteh | You know if the font string exists or not |
| 16:22.44 | jnwhiteh | and :GetText() returns what it contains |
| 16:22.54 | [L4E]Flowy | if fontstring:GetText() is "" how to get that |
| 16:23.02 | [L4E]Flowy | i dont know what it is |
| 16:23.14 | [L4E]Flowy | it isn't "" |
| 16:23.27 | [L4E]Flowy | i define fontstring |
| 16:23.34 | [L4E]Flowy | and dont make them text |
| 16:23.40 | [L4E]Flowy | what that fontstring contains? |
| 16:23.42 | [L4E]Flowy | nil? |
| 16:24.03 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.47 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm |
| 16:25.02 | jnwhiteh | most of your questions can be answered with simple tests in game |
| 16:25.28 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm |
| 16:26.10 | [L4E]Flowy | 1. print in game dont exists |
| 16:26.25 | jnwhiteh | yes it does |
| 16:26.28 | jnwhiteh | you clearly didn't even try |
| 16:26.29 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm |
| 16:26.35 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.15 | [L4E]Flowy | Message: [string "print("this")"] line 1: |
| 16:27.15 | [L4E]Flowy | attempt to call global 'print' (a nil value) |
| 16:27.23 | jnwhiteh | stop using private servers |
| 16:27.26 | jnwhiteh | and do not come back here for help. |
| 16:27.35 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm |
| 16:27.35 | kraftman | >< |
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| 16:28.30 | mikma | riiiiiiiiiiiiight.... http://www.spreekillers.org/ |
| 16:33.25 | Lunessa | kraftman: I've been too lazy to change the clock. |
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| 16:35.26 | jnwhiteh | alrighty then |
| 16:36.10 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Man, that guy was a piece of work. |
| 16:40.38 | jnwhiteh | idd |
| 16:40.38 | alestane | Native language NOT English. |
| 16:40.38 | jnwhiteh | hmm |
| 16:40.38 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 16:40.38 | jnwhiteh | hmm |
| 16:40.38 | jnwhiteh | i don't. |
| 16:40.38 | jnwhiteh | hmm |
| 16:40.38 | jnwhiteh | knowl. |
| 16:40.39 | jnwhiteh | hmm |
| 16:40.39 | alestane | Don't know if I would have realized he would have to be using a private server to have a client that didn't have "print". |
| 16:40.39 | jnwhiteh | 2.4.3 |
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| 16:40.39 | jnwhiteh | that's what the privates are on these days =) |
| 16:40.39 | jnwhiteh | so it didn't take much |
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| 16:40.40 | Lunessa | I can hardly see the appeal of playing WoW without a massive player-base. |
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| 16:45.15 | mikma | wht haha |
| 16:45.43 | mikma | he's been hanging here quite alot |
| 16:45.56 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 16:46.10 | jnwhiteh | well now we know. |
| 16:49.12 | mikma | funny stuff i must admit |
| 16:50.08 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: you have buffing/healing disabled on your character |
| 16:50.10 | jnwhiteh | I think |
| 16:50.49 | kraftman | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKEUujz12S4&feature=related |
| 16:50.51 | kraftman | now we know |
| 16:51.06 | jnwhiteh | D&D:Ta - Options -> Heal Me/ Buff Me |
| 16:51.10 | jnwhiteh | those set? |
| 16:52.22 | jnwhiteh | nvm I can disable that check |
| 16:54.29 | alestane | I don't even see an Options button or link. |
| 16:54.59 | jnwhiteh | You only would with the "Treasure Chest" greasemonkey script installed. |
| 16:55.15 | jnwhiteh | it lets you auto buff and auto heal friends, as well as have more control over auto-potions/powers |
| 16:55.17 | alestane | Hence why I don't, then. |
| 16:55.19 | jnwhiteh | http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/36204 |
| 16:55.20 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:57.56 | mikma | dear jebus |
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| 16:59.38 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 16:59.41 | jnwhiteh | thats effing ridiculous |
| 16:59.59 | NightHawkTheSane | how does "traffic" become "trafficked"? where does that k come from? |
| 17:00.13 | alestane | What's ridiculous? |
| 17:01.05 | jnwhiteh | http://dvice.com/archives/2009/03/what_happens_wh_1.php |
| 17:08.56 | alestane | Kat's in IT, I just sent that link to her. |
| 17:09.16 | nevcairiel | I need that |
| 17:09.32 | nevcairiel | 2gb/s is just awesome |
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| 17:13.24 | NightHawkTheSane | that's pretty neat. shame it's so obviously marketing. |
| 17:13.54 | NeoTron | I wonder how much time we have left until 3.1 |
| 17:14.14 | nevcairiel | alot, imho |
| 17:14.17 | nevcairiel | a month or more |
| 17:14.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd say ~2 months. |
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| 17:17.20 | NeoTron | I hope so |
| 17:17.23 | Larana | What could cause wow to stop responding whenever the game is exited? |
| 17:17.28 | NeoTron | ...immortal being once a week is frustrating |
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| 17:17.59 | NeoTron | first week: dc on MT on KT and subsequent void zone under the tank. second week: ret pally kills himself on gluth using seal of the martyr |
| 17:18.33 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: ... wow, fail pally. :P |
| 17:18.50 | NeoTron | yeah really |
| 17:18.57 | NeoTron | now he owes us a 22 slot bag |
| 17:19.17 | NeoTron | entirely avoidable death. the only bright side is that we got Shocking finally |
| 17:19.24 | NightHawkTheSane | he probably would have killed himself on prince, too, if he'd had martyr then |
| 17:19.25 | NeoTron | with threats of being kicked out of the raid if you failed |
| 17:19.42 | NeoTron | of course he never has died on gluth before |
| 17:19.51 | NeoTron | but still gah |
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| 17:31.35 | Thunder_Child | last night my internet crashed, this morning when i woke up it was still down....i glared at at and thought "you are failnet...like skynet, but at least skynet worked." and as i was watching the damn thing came back on. |
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| 17:31.45 | Thunder_Child | my internet is fucking with me |
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| 17:32.42 | Syzgyn | TC: I've been having to deal with that for the past week. |
| 17:34.41 | Thunder_Child | i feel for you Syzgyn |
| 17:34.44 | foxlit | I'd like to check whether a script handler is secure. |
| 17:34.47 | foxlit | Any ideas? :) |
| 17:35.05 | Thunder_Child | use it and see if it taints anything? |
| 17:35.14 | Thunder_Child | or something along thoes lines |
| 17:35.22 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: Anything I do is already insecure |
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| 17:37.44 | Thunder_Child | granted i know nothing more than what i pick up around here but wont there be a different response to using secure or unsecure methods? eg. one will execute and the other will not? |
| 17:38.14 | foxlit | The problem is that any code I write would inevitably be insecure. |
| 17:38.42 | Thunder_Child | but if the script handler isnt secure wont it run anyway where as if it is secure it wont work? |
| 17:38.43 | foxlit | So when my code executes, the execution path is already tainted |
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| 17:39.43 | foxlit | So the script handler would fail regardless whether it, itself, is tainted or not. |
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| 17:40.13 | alestane | It's possible to check whether a table key is a secure reference, but script handlers aren't stored there. |
| 17:40.26 | Thunder_Child | so if it is insecure and you taint it it fails.....what the point of having secure things then anyway |
| 17:41.03 | foxlit | Mixing terms, unfortunately |
| 17:41.20 | alestane | But you can look and see whether you're using :SetScript anywhere, or defining scripts in XML; those both create insecure script references. |
| 17:41.28 | foxlit | The script handler is supposed to run in a secure environment |
| 17:41.55 | alestane | Which script handler is it? |
| 17:41.56 | foxlit | So it fails if it is either called from an insecure path, or becomes tainted itself. |
| 17:42.09 | foxlit | OnClick, still yesterday's stuff. |
| 17:42.17 | alestane | Of what template? |
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| 17:43.00 | foxlit | SecureActionButtonTemplate; the handler is eventually wrapped using a secure handler. |
| 17:43.42 | alestane | Then either it's stemming from a conflict with another add-on, or there's an edge case in the wrapping code that picks up a tainted value somewhere. |
| 17:45.10 | foxlit | Wonder what I'm looking for. |
| 17:45.28 | foxlit | I could hook SetScript and check that that the handler isn't doesn't modified, I suppose. |
| 17:46.10 | foxlit | Can the restricted environment taint itself? |
| 17:48.16 | alestane | Only if something gives it a tainted value. It's written in such a way that it tries very hard to strip the taint from anything given to it under legitimate pretenses, and preserve that on anything it's not actually supposed to be allowed to use, so if taint is making it in on a wrapper routine, and this can be demonstrated, that would represent a very real bug. |
| 17:48.49 | Jamash | now why would a frame with a width that's set exactly once, show up with a different width |
| 17:48.57 | Jamash | and not respond to SetWidth() properly |
| 17:49.21 | Jamash | ie I call SetWidth and the frame doesn't change width on screen |
| 17:51.09 | alestane | Are its left and right sides both anchored to something? |
| 17:51.32 | Jamash | nope |
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| 17:51.49 | zenzelezz | how are you checking the width, by calling GetWidth()? |
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| 17:52.17 | Jamash | yeah |
| 17:52.59 | Jamash | usually (when it's functioning properly) if I call SetWidth it instantly changes width on screen |
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| 17:53.22 | Jamash | sometimes it appears too narrow or too wide, and it doesn't respond to SetWidth, but GetWidth returns the value I just set |
| 17:54.51 | foxlit | How are you judging that the frame is too narrow / too wide? |
| 17:55.01 | foxlit | (frames, by default, have no visual elements) |
| 17:55.41 | alestane | Fontstrings are also very weird in how they handle width. |
| 17:55.50 | Jamash | I have a backdrop set |
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| 17:59.37 | foxlit | so that's not a texture anchoring issue, at least. |
| 18:00.02 | Legorol | Jamash: the behaviour of SetWidth/GetWidth is as follows: |
| 18:00.20 | Legorol | * If the frame has anchors defined, it will be sized accordingly, regardless of whether SetWidth was used on it or not |
| 18:00.42 | Legorol | * If you call SetWidth(X), then GetWidth always returns X, even if the frame is sized by the anchors, as above |
| 18:01.00 | Legorol | * If you call SetWidth(0), then GetWidth starts returning the size calculated from anchoring |
| 18:01.37 | Legorol | (X > 0) |
| 18:01.52 | Jamash | what if a frame has only one anchor defined? |
| 18:02.09 | Legorol | then its width is either undefined, or defined via SetWidth |
| 18:02.17 | Legorol | in the latter case, that value is returned by GetWidth |
| 18:02.53 | Legorol | if your frame is not responding to SetWidth, then I suspect that you accidentally have a second anchor |
| 18:02.57 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5168056/a-demo-of-the-ipod-shuffles-new-remote-and-stereotypical-robotic-voiceover?autoplay=true |
| 18:03.00 | Jamash | hmm |
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| 18:05.02 | Jamash | I only ever call frame:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", ...) so I don't know how it could be acquiring a second anchor |
| 18:05.47 | Jamash | and it only happens sometimes |
| 18:10.15 | Legorol | call frame:ClearAllPoints() before the SetPoint to be sure |
| 18:10.22 | Jamash | ok |
| 18:12.23 | foxlit | "JLM Pacific Epoch reports that W[ot]LK has been rejected twice by Chinese regulatory officials:" |
| 18:12.50 | alestane | Getting WotLK into mainland china could be tough with all the undead. |
| 18:13.14 | foxlit | Meh, the forsaken are in china |
| 18:13.16 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I but the undead are responsible for destroying the shipments, like a chinese version of the Boston tea party |
| 18:13.26 | Lopeppeppy | *sploosh, sploosh* |
| 18:14.16 | Mikk | jnwhiteh: privmsg me a good explanation of it |
| 18:14.29 | alestane | Okay, I was unclear about my associations in that sentence. |
| 18:14.40 | Lopeppeppy | Yes dear, you were. :) |
| 18:14.40 | jnwhiteh | !addon NinjaPanel |
| 18:14.48 | lua_bot | NinjaPanel (v. r9) last updated Tue Jan 20 18:51 (http://is.gd/gyKL) |
| 18:14.51 | Lopeppeppy | considering my odd mood today, that was fun though. |
| 18:14.56 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: http://is.gd/gyKL |
| 18:14.59 | jnwhiteh | up to you, not a big deal |
| 18:15.14 | haste | jnwhiteh: gyKL you! |
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| 18:21.06 | Thunder_Child | does recount merge data with other recounts? |
| 18:21.35 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean sync? |
| 18:21.41 | Thunder_Child | yes that |
| 18:21.49 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont think it syncs anymore, not since the combat log changes |
| 18:21.55 | Lopeppeppy | It doesnt'? |
| 18:22.05 | Lopeppeppy | Then what use are damage meters now? |
| 18:22.09 | NightHawkTheSane | There's almost no point to syncing |
| 18:22.31 | Lopeppeppy | There's nearly no point to damage meters either. *gentle shrug* This just convinces me further. |
| 18:22.58 | foxlit | I say we move to the imperial system for measuring damage |
| 18:23.38 | Lopeppeppy | I say we use a frellin' teaspoon for the qq tears and stop eepeening it. |
| 18:23.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Since your combat log records anything that happens within an absurdly large radius, the only reason to sync would be if a) you need combat log entries for events that occur outside that moronically large range, b) phased fights, and i'm not even sure about that. |
| 18:23.57 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, yes there is. do see what your dps is to see if you need to change how you play |
| 18:24.05 | Thunder_Child | s/do/to/ |
| 18:24.29 | Thunder_Child | comparison is one thing, self info is another |
| 18:24.45 | NightHawkTheSane | for 99% of the content currently in the game, a non-syncing combat log parser will be perfectly suitable. |
| 18:24.45 | Lopeppeppy | Self info is useless without comparison, and the comparisons get pretty stupid. |
| 18:25.32 | Thunder_Child | well if shadow priests on average do 3k dps with xxx gear and you do 2k dps with the same gear it lets you know you have something to look at |
| 18:25.43 | Thunder_Child | which isnt a bad thing |
| 18:25.46 | Thunder_Child | imo |
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| 18:26.12 | Lopeppeppy | Gear /= the only thing you are comparing. I really hate that people assume everything is equal when comparing numbers. |
| 18:26.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: you can't really say that comparisons are stupid flat out, thats just as bad as saying comparisons are the only thing that matters. :P |
| 18:26.35 | Thunder_Child | right, i'm saying you then need to look at your play style |
| 18:26.44 | Lopeppeppy | I had random strangers critting me about my performance on whatever that darned ghosts boss is in Black Temple. "You suck, your healing is way lower than everyone else, in comparable gear!" |
| 18:26.49 | NightHawkTheSane | the reality is somewhere in between. looking at how your actions compare with others can be a useful tool. |
| 18:27.00 | Lopeppeppy | ... damage meters don't record who is on exclusive **DECURSING** duty. |
| 18:27.05 | NightHawkTheSane | but, it must be taken in perspective of the bigger picture |
| 18:27.17 | [draco] | recount does, though |
| 18:27.24 | foxlit | (sure they do -- you can monitor who removes debuffs if you want) |
| 18:27.27 | Lopeppeppy | Or who is the raid leading officer. Or who is guiding a newbie through their role. Or having a bad connection night with lots of lag. |
| 18:27.42 | cog|work | jnwhiteh: i don't see anywhere to change that setting... |
| 18:27.53 | Lopeppeppy | foxlit, they all monitor it, but people don't take that into account, they just think they can make judgements based on sheer numbers, which is not the case. |
| 18:27.55 | Kirov | Lopeppeppy - Up until recently, I was #1 decurser, and usually 3-4 on damage for bosses, 1-2 for trash |
| 18:27.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: which is why meters are not the be-all end-all, merely one tool. |
| 18:28.05 | foxlit | Peppy: people are idiots, news at 11. |
| 18:28.07 | jnwhiteh | i changed mine and it works now |
| 18:28.08 | jnwhiteh | so *shug* |
| 18:28.31 | cog|work | i bring down the options and those two things show as "No" but they're not clickable to change |
| 18:28.39 | Lopeppeppy | NHTH and foxlit, exactly. Wish other people could think it through that way. |
| 18:29.00 | Kirov | Lopeppeppy - Now I'm not decursing (because our druid lead told me to stop and he'd bitch out those who were supposed to be doing it) and now I'm 1-3 dps on everything! |
| 18:29.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: there was one noth fight a couple weeks ago, I (resto shaman) had more effective healing, more decursing, and more damage done than the other resto shammy in the raid. I was amused. :D |
| 18:29.00 | Kirov | yay |
| 18:29.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: yes, but that's not the fault of the tool. :) |
| 18:29.14 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, if the combat log covers all data in the group/raid why do meters come out with different value? |
| 18:29.51 | foxlit | http://www.lacie.com/imgstore/product_large/Keys_3_ring.jpg |
| 18:29.55 | Lopeppeppy | A good question, TC |
| 18:30.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: they shouldn't. But given that I don't actually know much about how recount (or other meters) work internally, or whatever situational variables are at work, *shrug* |
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| 18:31.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: bottom line is, in theory, in a non-phased fight, two arbitrary people ought to see the same CLEU events. I couldn't tell you if that happens in practice, though. *shrug* |
| 18:32.40 | NightHawkTheSane | lag, latency, and individual computer performance may impact that. |
| 18:32.59 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly |
| 18:33.12 | Thunder_Child | shouldnt that be a reason to sync then? |
| 18:33.35 | foxlit | "The acceleration is *not* constant, so don't even think of using the constant-acceleration equations from Chapter 2" << Boldly stated, physics book, boldly stated. |
| 18:33.52 | NightHawkTheSane | in theory, sure. But syncing as much data as recount records is a massive undertaking, and probably not worth the effort, considering the differences are probably relatively minor. |
| 18:34.12 | Thunder_Child | cant agree with tht one |
| 18:34.14 | Thunder_Child | that* |
| 18:34.33 | |Jelly| | ok. done with that. |
| 18:34.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: can't agree with what, specifically? |
| 18:35.13 | Thunder_Child | that the differences are 'minor' |
| 18:35.45 | Thunder_Child | in some cases anyways |
| 18:35.59 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* I don't immediately recall seeing the major differences between two meters, but i could be wrong. |
| 18:37.44 | NightHawkTheSane | I do think, however, that the opportunity cost of syncing data in recount is probably not worth it. It's probably better to get 2-3 people to submit their logs to WWS and have it do the work. (or, better yet, get multiple log merging into stasiscl and use that, but i digress) |
| 18:37.45 | Lopeppeppy | |Jelly|, is it fix't my precious? Ready and beautiful, my precious? |
| 18:38.07 | |Jelly| | No. I'm done with the instance that was hindering it's progress. :P |
| 18:38.16 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Well, get a wiggle on!! |
| 18:38.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: I do think i'll look into differences tonight, though. I've got a naxx-10 raid and I'm pretty sure a few people use recount. I'll compare with them and see. |
| 18:38.57 | foxlit | Run everything yourself? |
| 18:39.23 | foxlit | Removes the variable of which events are fired for which client from the equation. |
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| 18:40.39 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, out of curiosity whats your "okness" +-? |
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| 18:41.40 | foxlit | two significant figures; everything else is noise :) |
| 18:42.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: what do you mean? what difference between two meters i would consider acceptable? Probably nothing more than a percent or two, depending on scale, or what foxlit said. |
| 18:44.12 | Lunessa | Mmm... VoA tonight. And maybe OS. Mmmm |
| 18:44.20 | NightHawkTheSane | from my perspective, losing a statistically insignificant number of CLEU events is going to be okay for any kind of meaningful interpretation of data. |
| 18:45.06 | NightHawkTheSane | of course, if it turns out that the difference between two meters is statistically significant.. i might start to get concerned. |
| 18:45.18 | Lopeppeppy | What's a those, Lunessa? |
| 18:45.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Vault of Archavon, Obsidian Sanctum |
| 18:45.51 | Lunessa | Vault of Archavon and Obsidian Sanctum - easy-ish raids to get folks for. |
| 18:46.22 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
| 18:46.39 | Lopeppeppy | If my shoulder will calm down, I'll be leveling happily! |
| 18:46.52 | Lopeppeppy | It's very angry with me, swollen like I pulled a muscle. Weirdness. |
| 18:47.13 | Lunessa | :( |
| 18:48.14 | Lopeppeppy | Speaking of which, I should be heating it right now, 'scuse while I make with the microwavings. |
| 18:49.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ... microwaving your shoulder? that sounds very unsafe |
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| 18:53.40 | Lopeppeppy | It's a big microwave, NightHawkTheSane. |
| 18:54.03 | Lopeppeppy | Actually, I have an herbal heating pack I toss in there, it's awesome. Smells like chamomile mint tea. |
| 18:54.25 | Lukian | but, tasty chickens! :( |
| 18:54.36 | Lopeppeppy | I am not a chickens. |
| 18:54.40 | Lopeppeppy | Dinosaur. |
| 18:54.42 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR. |
| 18:54.53 | Lopeppeppy | C D not-so EDBD feet? |
| 18:54.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: You'd be much more threatening with an +o |
| 18:54.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Just saying |
| 18:55.10 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, do not make Cairenn and I kick your arse again. :P |
| 18:55.29 | ScytheBlade1 | 13:20 <ScytheBlade1> really I just want to see her boot someone |
| 18:55.29 | ScytheBlade1 | 13:20 <Cairenn> hehehe |
| 18:55.43 | Lopeppeppy | Volunteerism is always rewarded. |
| 18:55.51 | Thunder_Child | with pain |
| 18:56.15 | Lopeppeppy | Whenever possible. |
| 19:20.40 | cog|work | jnwhiteh: now yours says not to heal... |
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| 19:45.22 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> any mac users on that use 'Versions' svn client? |
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| 19:52.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:52.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I broke my linked list assignment in java |
| 19:52.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Namely the insert() method, which created self-references nodes |
| 19:52.44 | ScytheBlade1 | So when I tried to loop over it, the loop... never finished! |
| 19:52.58 | End | fail! |
| 19:53.16 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: I use svnX. |
| 19:53.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I didn't see this was the problem until I noticed one of the java VMs sucking something like 300MB and rising of RAM |
| 19:54.45 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: that.. do doesn't help me. ;) |
| 19:55.16 | alestane | I didn't expect it would much. But if I kept quiet that wouldn't help at all. |
| 19:56.01 | Hirsute | Xinhuan: Just started using routes, and I'm loving it. Question: Using it with Gatherer data, on maps I know I have iron nodes recorded on, there's no option to use those nodes in creating the route. (Using the latest from Curse for Routes). Any ideas why? |
| 19:56.31 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i really want to know if Versions commit dialog allows you to look view a diff of a file being committed without having to exit the dialog, a la TortoiseSVN. Cornerstone doesn't do that, which is really obnoxious. |
| 19:56.44 | NightHawkTheSane | I've tried svnX, but I'm not terribly fond of the UI |
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| 19:58.10 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone out there use Carbonite Quest, I have a question to asks ya. |
| 19:59.00 | Dewin | I like tortoisesvn, but I doubt there's a mac version. |
| 19:59.16 | NightHawkTheSane | not really |
| 19:59.37 | Dewin | Is it even possible to do something like shell extensions in Finder (the file browser is still Finder, right?) |
| 19:59.45 | NightHawkTheSane | it's possible |
| 20:00.23 | NightHawkTheSane | there's SCPlugin, http://scplugin.tigris.org/ |
| 20:00.32 | NightHawkTheSane | but its not really as robust as Tortoise |
| 20:02.51 | NightHawkTheSane | (at least, not last time i checked.. i ought to give it another look..) |
| 20:03.21 | Dewin | Yeah, I really like Tortoise, and it's definitely grown alot since the first versions of TortoiseCVS |
| 20:04.16 | Kirov | Lopeppeppy - I use it |
| 20:05.05 | Kirov | Intriguing, a full version of Carbonite w/ ads |
| 20:05.08 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.35 | Dewin | All's I have to say about NULL is |
| 20:05.36 | Dewin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.52 | Lopeppeppy | Kirov, is it spamming you, in game, to download the for pay version? |
| 20:06.50 | Hirsute | Ah the wonders of addons written to be sold. |
| 20:07.23 | Kirov | Lopeppeppy - Using Carbonite Quest 2.0.3? |
| 20:07.33 | Thunder_Child | why do they offer you the ability to go in an instance you can not get to? |
| 20:08.07 | Eggi | someone knows how to use the svnsync command with tortoise? |
| 20:08.11 | Lopeppeppy | Kirov, I don't use it at all. That's why I'm asking you, does your version spam you with addons in game to download a for pay version? :) |
| 20:08.30 | Kirov | I use 2.0.2, which does not. |
| 20:08.36 | Kirov | 2.0.3 does, but was a bug |
| 20:09.34 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* Necro thread unfun, I was just wondering what the deal with it was. Carbonite has been so drama llama lately |
| 20:10.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: add to your /combatlog post, that it does NOT fire an event. The slash command calls a function, which manually prints the text. |
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| 20:12.42 | ronghail | if I want to see if an item is soulbound I have to scan the tooltip? I found docs on tooltip stuff but I don't see how to associate a link with the GameTooltip stuff. I got the link from GetContainerItemLink |
| 20:13.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ronghail: I believe you have to, yes |
| 20:13.26 | ronghail | ok |
| 20:18.40 | ronghail | oh maybe GameTooltip:SetHyperlink |
| 20:23.10 | KarlKFI | SCPlugin works pretty well |
| 20:23.53 | KarlKFI | but for more advanced things like externals i just use the command line |
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| 20:26.38 | Lopeppeppy | Hiya, Shirik |
| 20:26.50 | ScytheBlade1 | eww Shirik |
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| 20:32.07 | Shirik | :( |
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| 20:36.15 | Lunessa | sbo ok |
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| 20:38.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: copy/paste =] |
| 20:38.39 | Lunessa | Why do more work than I have to. I figured my link to the API was more than sufficient for the educated user. |
| 20:38.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I kinda wish I could post |
| 20:38.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm kinda glad I can't |
| 20:39.44 | Shirik | paper submitted officially |
| 20:39.47 | Shirik | " Vectorizing Compilers and Manual Code Optimization for Application Domains" |
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| 20:44.43 | Lunessa | Fing cool - http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/pattie_maes_demos_the_sixth_sense.html |
| 20:46.10 | Shirik | GMs ALWAYS respond to petitions, right? |
| 20:46.14 | Shirik | Even if it's the stupidest thing ever |
| 20:46.19 | Shirik | they'll at least say "gtfo" |
| 20:47.04 | nevcairiel | They could lock and delete them too |
| 20:47.59 | selckin | sometimes they just send a standard email and close it |
| 20:48.04 | selckin | s/email/ingame mail/ |
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| 20:52.36 | NightHawkTheSane | huh.. http://yourmonkeycalled.com/post/84895470/why-does-dream-ideal |
| 20:53.37 | Shirik | but my point is selckin |
| 20:53.42 | Shirik | they don't just ignore it |
| 20:55.10 | Arrowmaster | lol somebody bumped the thread that antiarc purchased thepiratebootybay.com in response to |
| 20:55.11 | selckin | never heared of that indeed |
| 20:56.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: ... wha? |
| 20:56.46 | kd3 | lmao |
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| 20:59.19 | NightHawkTheSane | also, the new ipod shuffles are.. crazy.. |
| 21:01.32 | Gnarfoz | can SpellBinder bind macros to keys? |
| 21:02.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 21:03.02 | Gnarfoz | ok, and is there something that replaces SpellBinder because it's broken? |
| 21:03.03 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:03.12 | durcyn | spellbinder isn't broken. |
| 21:03.29 | Gnarfoz | comments quite clearly say so. |
| 21:03.43 | durcyn | comments are rubbish spewed by imbeciles, svn head is perfectly fine. |
| 21:03.51 | Pytlask | Try an old version, working perfectly for me on live |
| 21:04.48 | Gnarfoz | with more than one binding per spell? |
| 21:05.00 | durcyn | yes, Gnarfoz. |
| 21:05.25 | Gnarfoz | well, too bad wowi doesn't expose svn then |
| 21:05.36 | Gnarfoz | or at least, not in a place I can find it :o |
| 21:05.37 | NightHawkTheSane | its not on wowi's svn |
| 21:05.58 | Gnarfoz | let me guess.. |
| 21:05.58 | durcyn | svn.wowace.com/wow/spell-binder/mainline/trunk |
| 21:05.59 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowace.com/projects/spell-binder/ |
| 21:06.13 | Gnarfoz | I guess I'LL make a non-rubbish comment on wowi, then. |
| 21:07.04 | Gnarfoz | yay |
| 21:07.27 | foxlit | "I added this to my system, but it does not show up, even after restarting WoW. Have you done any testing on Macs?" << comment critically hits fait in humanity for 2000 damage |
| 21:07.39 | foxlit | s/t in/th in/ |
| 21:08.06 | NightHawkTheSane | faith in humanity dies. |
| 21:08.22 | Hirsute | Faith in Humanity didn't have a lot of hp to begin with, it seems. |
| 21:08.33 | NightHawkTheSane | it used to. long ago. |
| 21:08.54 | foxlit | meh, I'm sure it just bubble-hearths at 25% |
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| 21:11.49 | Lunessa | Faith in Humanity was sold out for pasta makers and hagen-das ice-cream long ago. |
| 21:13.22 | Gnarfoz | you no spell right |
| 21:13.23 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 21:17.14 | NightHawkTheSane | "häagen-Dazs" |
| 21:17.33 | NightHawkTheSane | perhaps with a capital h. |
| 21:19.04 | Gnarfoz | <3 |
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| 21:21.08 | devZero | when using http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSkillLineInfo to get skill information, would it be safe to assume that anything that is "abandonable" is considered a tradeskill? |
| 21:21.19 | devZero | or is there a better method for detecting this? |
| 21:23.04 | foxlit | hardcode the profession spell IDs, look up names. |
| 21:23.10 | Mikk | You could just make a list of the spellids for the ... what foxlit said |
| 21:23.28 | devZero | not an option for this unfortunately... it has to be dynamic |
| 21:25.01 | devZero | thanks for the help though |
| 21:25.05 | Torhal | ...why does it have to be dynamic? There are what, eight tradeskills (with specialties)? |
| 21:25.50 | Torhal | Eleven, twelve if you count Runeforging. |
| 21:27.07 | devZero | it's the nature of the addon... It's a collection addon, and needs to be dynamic enough so that "if" blizzard was to add a new tradeskill it would be able to pick that up without having to have a full update for the addon |
| 21:27.48 | foxlit | Or just, you know, fail gracefully. |
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| 21:28.01 | Torhal | They wouldn't add a new tradeskill for another two years, and adding one or two fields to a table every two years shouldn't be a show-stopper |
| 21:28.08 | foxlit | They don't release new trade skills every 42 seconds, you know :) |
| 21:28.12 | bleetah | wtf blizz are actioning ppl for having low level toons in WG now? calling it exploitation??! |
| 21:28.27 | Dewin | To mess with the tenacity buff? |
| 21:29.04 | devZero | Torhal: that's irrelevant... just because they "might" not doesn't mean it's not a possibility, and I like to code for each possibility |
| 21:29.06 | Dagmar | Well, that should make it clear to them that they need to make it *not* stack so high |
| 21:29.14 | Dewin | Or just ignore people below a certain level |
| 21:29.24 | bleetah | low level toons in WG are great |
| 21:29.33 | bleetah | i love them.. a lvl 10 can fire a gun as well as a level 80 |
| 21:29.41 | bleetah | they can call incomings as good as a level 80 |
| 21:29.49 | Dagmar | That much *is* true |
| 21:29.51 | bleetah | and you're not wasting an 80 in a permanent position |
| 21:30.01 | bleetah | ie, freeing up your 80's to actually battle PvP |
| 21:30.15 | Dewin | Ah yes, you assign the elite special forces the more mobile assault missions while the green recruits man the guns? |
| 21:30.16 | foxlit | Meh |
| 21:30.27 | Dagmar | When I went in at 78 I got a crapton of kills because I just played pure defense |
| 21:30.32 | bleetah | and if you're offensive, yay for cannon fodder |
| 21:30.42 | foxlit | I suspect they'll just fix up some sort of gtfo teleport if they're annoyed at lower levels in WG |
| 21:30.49 | bleetah | a lvl 10 can still fire the siege turret as well as an 80, too |
| 21:30.53 | Dagmar | 71 kills, 14 vehicles blowed up. :) |
| 21:31.27 | bleetah | foxlit: if they fix the portal before fixing the real game breaking stuff, I'm gunna buy www.dearmikemorhaime.com and start writing letters to him ;) |
| 21:32.17 | foxlit | You linked to a domain. 24 hours later, it'll be reachable in purl's logs; 48 hours later, someone will register it :) |
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| 21:33.07 | bleetah | as if I'd type out the domain I'd actually want |
| 21:35.33 | ScytheBlade1 | bleetah: too much emo in your life |
| 21:35.50 | Lunessa | LOL - Go |Jelly| - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15668068248&sid=1#2 |
| 21:36.54 | TC-Away | www.bleeterhasmillions.com |
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| 21:37.38 | foxlit | so much hate! |
| 21:38.43 | |Jelly| | :) |
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| 21:40.17 | AbsolutRayne | You can report a post to have its Character Limit extended, right? |
| 21:40.24 | Lunessa | I have lots of hate. I'm willing to share it. I have so much hate that Omen3 recognizes me as a a threat every time it's installed. |
| 21:40.39 | Thunder_Child | thats cuse omen3 is broken |
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| 21:41.15 | Hirsute | Best response I've ever seen to a comment about wowmatrix. yay for that poster. |
| 21:41.47 | |Jelly| | Hirsute: <3 |
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| 21:43.56 | |Jelly| | Dear Ckknight, I just downloaded Pibtull4 and am playing with it and ~10 seconds into looking at the config screen, I've decided that I need to ride your jock a little more and tell you how much <33333 there is again. Yous, Jelly |
| 21:44.12 | bleetah | ScytheBlade1: I wish I were like you and didn't give a shit about anything you hero you |
| 21:44.43 | bleetah | hopefully when I grow up, there'll be vitamin supplements that'll help me be more like you |
| 21:44.45 | bleetah | one can dream |
| 21:44.48 | ScytheBlade1 | bleetah: well that and quitting the game helps :P |
| 21:46.10 | Torhal | ckknight: You whore. |
| 21:46.17 | NightHawkTheSane | hm.. if i manually insert a value into an auto_increment field table, will auto_increment properly skip that value if neccesary? >.> |
| 21:46.27 | |Jelly| | Torhal: I love your sig to death. |
| 21:46.33 | Torhal | :D |
| 21:46.35 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: don't do that. |
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| 21:46.41 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: with that said, generally yes. |
| 21:46.51 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: yeah, i know it's a BadIdea⢠|
| 21:47.08 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: With MySQL? It depends on the storage engine IIRC |
| 21:47.16 | ckknight | |Jelly|: much love. |
| 21:47.16 | NightHawkTheSane | but i want to be lazy and write a quick and dirty script to populate some tables with test data, and not fuck around with LAST_INSERT_ID() shit |
| 21:47.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: yes. |
| 21:47.30 | NightHawkTheSane | myisam |
| 21:47.40 | AbsolutRayne | Ok, guess no one knows? O_o |
| 21:47.50 | ScytheBlade1 | AbsolutRayne: no you cannot |
| 21:47.57 | AbsolutRayne | Craaaaaaaappp |
| 21:48.12 | AbsolutRayne | Oh well |
| 21:48.13 | Hirsute | Torhal: Hah! Again, much love for that response to the WowMatrix thread. |
| 21:48.21 | AbsolutRayne | Guess I could ask the first few people to cut their posts :S |
| 21:48.29 | Torhal | :D |
| 21:48.32 | Dewin | Nighthawkthesane: I don't think MyISAM is that smart. |
| 21:49.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. im probably better off just writing a simple php script to do the dirty work so i have better programmatic control |
| 21:49.29 | Dewin | It's easy enough to test ... CREATE TABLE foo ( id INT AUTO_INCREMENT ); INSERT INTO foo (id) VALUES (100); SHOW CREATE TABLE foo; |
| 21:50.03 | Dewin | if the show create table shows an auto_increment attribute of 101, it works. |
| 21:50.29 | Dewin | or, if you're just trying to populate test data |
| 21:50.30 | AbsolutRayne | Ah, what a neat little fire ive started on the Damage Dealing forums... |
| 21:50.48 | kd3 | not that it's hard to set the dd forum off |
| 21:51.06 | Dewin | INSERT INTO parent ... ; SELECT @parentrowid := LAST_INSERT_ID(); INSERT INTO child SET parent_id=@parentrowid .... |
| 21:51.12 | ScytheBlade1 | AbsolutRayne: Absoluteshank? |
| 21:51.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I read that wrong initially |
| 21:52.16 | AbsolutRayne | Hmm? |
| 21:52.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Absolutskank. |
| 21:52.40 | bleetah | wow, 26 pages... surely that's an emo thread ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:52.44 | bleetah | why you'd bother with it idk |
| 21:52.52 | ScytheBlade1 | bleetah: ... |
| 21:53.19 | Hirsute | 26 pages? What thread? |
| 21:53.32 | AbsolutRayne | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443423486&sid=1 |
| 21:53.34 | AbsolutRayne | Enjoty |
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| 21:57.56 | Exawatt | Anyone awake in here that knows anything about overriding XML inheritance? |
| 21:58.18 | |Jelly| | You say "awake" like most of us actually sleep anyway. |
| 21:58.32 | foxlit | Luke, that template is your father. |
| 21:58.34 | bleetah | yeah, too much emo in that thread |
| 21:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Exawatt: you just define your elements/attributes on top of an existing template |
| 21:58.47 | bleetah | that's how to do 2 y/o insults, isn't it? |
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| 21:58.58 | Exawatt | That's what I thought, but I'm trying to override a couple of elements down, and it doesn't seem to be working. |
| 21:59.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Exawatt: wowui.pastey.net |
| 21:59.48 | foxlit | That is not something that you can do |
| 22:00.05 | Exawatt | Damn. So I've gotta' set it through LUA functions? |
| 22:00.13 | foxlit | Indeed. |
| 22:00.20 | krka | Exawatt: Dude, it's not an acronym! ;-) |
| 22:00.29 | foxlit | krka is slow today, surely. |
| 22:00.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Time delay makes it seem human |
| 22:00.55 | foxlit | 1.86s ping delay, too |
| 22:05.59 | Thunder_Child | has anyone tried floola? |
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| 22:21.31 | Lunessa | Sleep is the little death. |
| 22:22.05 | AbsolutRayne | blah |
| 22:26.03 | Nechckn | funny, I always heard that le petit mort was something a bit "better" than sleep... |
| 22:26.33 | Thunder_Child | anyone know a good replacement for itunes? |
| 22:27.00 | Nechckn | Napster, circa 2000 ;-) |
| 22:27.03 | Exawatt | For playing or iPod syncing? |
| 22:27.08 | Thunder_Child | both |
| 22:27.15 | Thunder_Child | all in one package |
| 22:27.28 | Nechckn | hmm.. not for both |
| 22:27.45 | Exawatt | Not many sync iPods well aside from iTunes... There's a plugin for WMP, but it doesn't support things like cover flow. |
| 22:29.05 | kd3 | gtkpod |
| 22:29.10 | kd3 | banshee |
| 22:29.12 | Thunder_Child | on windows |
| 22:29.41 | Thunder_Child | songbird does both but it seems to be even more laggy than itunes |
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| 22:52.39 | Lunessa | Nechckn: Oh, truly so; perhaps I should say rather, sleep is like fake death. |
| 23:00.49 | Shirik | Anyone see what's wrong with this script? /script local f=CreateFrame"FRAME"f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(s,e,_,a2,_,a4,_,_,a7)if a2=="SPELL_AURA_APPLIED" and a7=="Kimina" and arg8==1297 then SendChatMessage("NOW IS THE TIME!","PARTY")end end)f:RegisterEvent("COMBAT_LOG_UNFILTERED"); |
| 23:00.58 | Shirik | It's supposed to fire whenever spell 1297 is gained |
| 23:01.02 | NightHawkTheSane | SAFETY ALERT! http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200903/safe/image1.jpg |
| 23:03.09 | Cide | Shirik: I see one interesting bit |
| 23:03.29 | Cide | you tried to save so much at lots of places, and almost nothing at others... you make me confused |
| 23:03.35 | Shirik | ? |
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| 23:03.48 | Cide | you skipped lots of spaces at some points |
| 23:03.59 | Cide | but then you do "OnEvent", function... |
| 23:04.01 | Shirik | Well basically I wrote it first as spread out as I normally do |
| 23:04.11 | Cide | CONSISTENCY SHIRIK, CONSISTENCY. |
| 23:04.12 | Shirik | and then trimmed it to fit in the chat box |
| 23:04.44 | Cide | well, are you sure arg8 is passed as a global? |
| 23:04.57 | Cide | you don't pass it in the arg list |
| 23:05.00 | Shirik | I fixed that |
| 23:05.04 | Shirik | still nothing |
| 23:05.16 | Cide | verified that all the arguments are the right ones? |
| 23:05.30 | Shirik | according to devtools they are |
| 23:05.47 | Nechckn | Lunessa okay, I accept "fake death" =) p.s. I hate sleep, in general!!! |
| 23:06.13 | nevcairiel | Shirik: its COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 23:06.31 | Lunessa | Nechckn: To quote Edision, "I'll sleep when I'm dead." |
| 23:06.49 | Nechckn | that's one of my favorite sayings! |
| 23:06.52 | Nechckn | no joke |
| 23:07.20 | Nechckn | I only wish I could get by on 10 min cat naps every few hours as he did. |
| 23:07.57 | Nechckn | Then again, if I had to have that hair do in order to achieve such a thing, it may not be worth it. |
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| 23:14.23 | Codex| | hey, anyone know a reagent tracker for LDB? |
| 23:15.28 | mikma | i know one |
| 23:15.41 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=12710 |
| 23:15.42 | mikma | ^^ |
| 23:15.59 | Codex| | lol.. |
| 23:16.07 | Lunessa | Nechckn: I used to live on 4 or fewer hours of sleep nightly. I'm older now, and sleep is more likely. :P |
| 23:16.32 | Codex| | anyone know any other ldb reagent trackers? |
| 23:17.16 | Codex| | mikma does it track arcane powder? |
| 23:18.49 | Codex| | because it seems reagentfu wasnt ported over |
| 23:19.00 | mikma | codex|: nope :P just reagents for portals |
| 23:19.09 | mikma | but addon like that ain't that hard to do after all |
| 23:19.13 | mikma | takes like... 30 lines |
| 23:19.23 | Codex| | if i had fortress and reagentfu installed, would fortress display it without broker2fu or anything? |
| 23:19.46 | mikma | ye, fortress would handle it |
| 23:20.31 | Codex| | without having fubar and broker2fubar on? |
| 23:20.51 | nevcairiel | You could get FuBar2Broker |
| 23:20.54 | nevcairiel | and be done with fubar |
| 23:20.58 | mikma | if you are talking about the addon i linked, Fortress would handle it |
| 23:21.21 | Codex| | iill give fubar2broker a shot thanks |
| 23:21.43 | Codex| | also, anyone know how ti disable cpu profiling? cant seem to find it |
| 23:21.45 | mikma | what sort of reagents do you plan to track? |
| 23:22.23 | Codex| | arcane powder, portals, teleport |
| 23:23.15 | Codex| | but first can you show me hot to disable cpu profiling real quick? |
| 23:23.34 | Lunessa | Win - http://ihasahotdog.com/2009/03/09/funny-dog-pictures-reachin-warp/ |
| 23:25.24 | Codex| | no one knows how to disable cpu profiling? |
| 23:25.37 | nevcairiel | How did you turn it on? |
| 23:26.22 | Codex| | fubar_performance had an option for it |
| 23:26.27 | Codex| | but im done with fubar |
| 23:27.09 | nevcairiel | ./script SetCVar("scriptProfile", 0) |
| 23:28.34 | Codex| | hey thanks |
| 23:28.47 | Codex| | alright just tryin fubar2broker, 1sec |
| 23:28.58 | Codex| | im surporused no one ported over reagentfu |
| 23:29.18 | Codex| | or fubar_performance... there are just memory, latency ones but they both suck |
| 23:29.20 | Codex| | surprised* |
| 23:29.39 | Codex| | wowace is down atm? |
| 23:29.50 | kd3 | up for me |
| 23:29.53 | mikma | codex|: http://mikma.pastey.net/109996 |
| 23:30.04 | mikma | there you go, Mage reagent tracker for LDB |
| 23:30.10 | Codex| | oh back up heh |
| 23:30.30 | Codex| | mikma, i have no idea how to make ldb objects |
| 23:30.39 | Codex| | i wouldnt even know where to put that |
| 23:30.55 | mikma | .. |
| 23:31.17 | Codex| | hey man im being honest :) |
| 23:31.31 | mikma | create folder "ReagentLDB" in there create ReagentLDB.toc (where you add stuff) and then ReagentLDB.lua where you paste the code i just linked |
| 23:31.35 | mikma | and you are done |
| 23:31.43 | mikma | aww hell |
| 23:31.44 | mikma | moment |
| 23:31.47 | Codex| | oh sweetness |
| 23:34.10 | Codex| | mikma: do i need to copy a libs directory from another ldb addon into there so it will play nicely with ldb? |
| 23:35.32 | Codex| | do i need Libs\LibStub.lua Libs\CallbackHandler-1.0.lua Libs\LibDataBroker-1.1.lua ? |
| 23:35.38 | mikma | codex|: http://wow.reaktio.net/ReagentLDB.zip |
| 23:35.45 | Codex| | omg sweetness |
| 23:35.52 | Codex| | The requested URL /ReagentLDB.zip was not found on this server. |
| 23:35.54 | Codex| | ^^ |
| 23:36.03 | Lunessa | http://ihasahotdog.com/2009/02/13/funny-dog-pictures-grumy-old-man/ |
| 23:36.14 | mikma | most likely other LDB addons / display addons have the libs |
| 23:36.18 | mikma | codex|: sorry now it's there |
| 23:36.37 | mikma | also there's a small typo in the code but i don't think it matters |
| 23:36.44 | mikma | :NewDataObject("ReagentLDBe", { |
| 23:37.26 | Codex| | i deleted the "e" thanks, ill give it a shot as soon as i can fogure out how to get rid of the cpu profiling |
| 23:38.08 | Codex| | oh wait i got that /script |
| 23:38.13 | Codex| | ok im tryin now ^^ |
| 23:43.51 | Codex| | also seems good old mrplow isnr ldb compatible |
| 23:44.58 | mikma | yeah, we have poked wobin quite alot about it |
| 23:45.23 | Codex| | nevcairiel: an ldb showing addon usage should still be able to see the memory an addon uses just not the cpu with profiling off correct? |
| 23:45.33 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 23:48.05 | Codex| | any of u use ara broker guild_friends? |
| 23:49.41 | Codex| | mikma: addon works great thanks |
| 23:49.49 | mikma | nps |
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| 23:51.34 | mikma | lunessa: http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/celebrity-pictures-christopher-walken-make-uncomfortable.jpg |
| 23:51.54 | Lunessa | mikma: Mr. Walken in the MAN |
| 23:52.01 | Lunessa | ahem, Is |
| 23:52.22 | mikma | Christopher Walken is: appearning in middle of the movie |
| 23:52.35 | mikma | and you are going to say "hole shit! that's christopher walken!" |
| 23:53.06 | mikma | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/celebrity-pictures-brangelina-what-sale.jpg |
| 23:53.10 | mikma | ouch |
| 23:53.44 | mikma | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/celebrity-pictures-jeremy-sumpter-neverland-ranch.jpg ... |
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| 23:55.34 | Tekkub | do tanks have a unitid? |
| 23:55.39 | Tekkub | "maintank1" etc |
| 23:55.51 | nevcairiel | sadly, no |
| 23:55.56 | Tekkub | buggernuts |
| 23:56.21 | foxlit | butbut? |
| 23:56.29 | Codex| | mikma and nevcairiel, thx for ur help gaain |
| 23:56.31 | Codex| | again |
| 23:56.35 | mikma | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/celebrity-pictures-jack-nicholson-talk-scientology.jpg |
| 23:56.37 | foxlit | (why did they protect setting MA/MT, then?) |
| 23:56.59 | Tekkub | unitframes |
| 23:57.24 | foxlit | but if there are no unitids, what do the unit frames do? |
| 23:57.49 | Tekkub | secure headers |
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| 23:58.06 | foxlit | heads are dead, long live the headers :) |
| 23:58.19 | nevcairiel | foxlit: you can set a role-based header only showing maintanks |
| 23:59.44 | nevcairiel | groupBy = "ROLE", groupFilter="MAINTANK" |
| 23:59.46 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 23:59.58 | foxlit | securetemplates.lua, yeah |
