IRC log for #wowuidev on 20090308

`00:00.27`	`Synchro`	`Yeah that's what I also noticed`
`00:00.27`	`Iriel`	`cbreak: I agree that's the best way to do it unless you CANT`
`00:00.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`albeit not so articulately stated.`
`00:00.34`	`Synchro`	`Tried to directly register an event, gave me a bunch of errors`
`00:00.44`	`cbreak`	`then you did it wrong :)`
`00:00.46`	`jnwhiteh`	`sure, you need to wait until ADDON_LOADED for your event in order to get at your SV`
`00:00.50`	`jnwhiteh`	`but there is plenty you can do before then`
`00:00.57`	`cbreak`	`yeah`
`00:00.59`	`jnwhiteh`	`shrug`
`00:01.03`	`Synchro`	`http://wowuidev.pastey.net/109678`
`00:01.05`	`Synchro`	`What I have s ofar`
`00:01.06`	`Synchro`	`:/`
`00:01.17`	`cbreak`	`I usually register my events late though`
`00:01.39`	`cbreak`	`like on entering combat. of course depends on the event :)`
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`00:03.02`	`Synchro`	`Well cbreak`
`00:03.06`	`Synchro`	`Had alook on it yet?`
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`00:03.31`	`Synchro`	`at it*`
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`00:03.59`	`cbreak`	`when do you call OnLoad?`
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`00:04.10`	`foxlit`	`you can't use "function foo:method(args)" syntax without first declaring foo.`
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`00:04.32`	`foxlit`	`but that was an error earlier :/`
`00:05.13`	`foxlit`	`nothing calls OnLoad, and you haven't set up an OnEvent handler. See http://www.wowwiki.com/Handling_events`
`00:06.39`	`cbreak`	`Synchro: as I said earlier, I don't think OnLoad makes sense for dynamic frames`
`00:06.51`	`cbreak`	`you will have to call it yourself.`
`00:06.56`	`cbreak`	`or use a canned frame`
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`00:09.15`	`HF\|\|Yodaddy`	`Free Wow Guild Hosting, We use eqdkplus and will get it all working for you. You can use your own domain or we can provide you with a subdomain. We Can Also Offer Free Ventrilo Servers To Select Guilds. Demo Site: http://www.warcraftunleashed.com , if your interested please MSG me.`
`00:09.59`	`foxlit`	`Aha. And where else do you spam?`
`00:10.01`	`Tekkub`	`what horrible Engrish`
`00:10.47`	`Tekkub`	`I Like To Use Title Case Incorrectly And Where It Is Not Appropriate Also`
`00:11.38`	`zenzelezz`	`I think "title case" is inappropriate in all circumstances; but that's just me`
`00:11.43`	`Synchro`	`Okay now I'm proper confused`
`00:12.05`	`Synchro`	`On Onload, it's supposed to register events right?`
`00:12.14`	`cbreak`	`no`
`00:12.17`	`Synchro`	`I have it on onload, but onload doesn't get called, then how am I supposed to work with OnEvents`
`00:12.17`	`Iriel`	`Hm?`
`00:12.19`	`Cairenn`	`?`
`00:12.23`	`cbreak`	`you can register events when ever you want`
`00:12.23`	`Tekkub`	`up`
`00:12.27`	`Synchro`	`Hmm`
`00:12.34`	`Synchro`	`Even inside OnEvent?`
`00:12.37`	`cbreak`	`yes`
`00:12.57`	`Cairenn`	`ah`
`00:12.58`	`cbreak`	`I do that :)`
`00:13.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`obviously they are orgying where you are not Tekkub`
`00:13.28`	`Tekkub`	`I know`
`00:13.42`	`Cairenn`	`not really anything wrong with it, so`
`00:13.43`	`cbreak`	`OnLoad scripts are called only on xml canned frames`
`00:13.52`	`cbreak`	`I think`
`00:14.04`	`Tekkub`	`I thought you didn't like spam, be it against TOS or not`
`00:14.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`spam is multiple times`
`00:14.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`afaik`
`00:14.27`	`Dolby`	`Hawaii`
`00:14.51`	`Tekkub`	`fine I'll wait :P`
`00:14.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`that was random or anything Dolby`
`00:14.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/was/wasnt/`
`00:15.06`	`Tekkub`	`that's where Dobly's orgying`
`00:15.17`	`Dolby`	`Tekkub: asked`
`00:15.17`	`Cairenn`	`^`
`00:15.26`	`Dolby`	`Were on a boat`
`00:15.27`	`Tekkub`	`see at least I get it`
`00:15.41`	`Cairenn`	`as long as it isn't against TOU and it's only once in a (very long) while, it's okay`
`00:15.55`	`Cairenn`	`not really applicable in this channel, but whatever`
`00:16.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`you know you should at least be in international waters so Cairenn can use her....toys`
`00:16.10`	`Tekkub`	`and spam == unwanted advertising of any quantity in my book :P`
`00:16.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`your book needs a rewrite then`
`00:16.35`	`Tekkub`	`my book is fine`
`00:16.39`	`cbreak`	`spamm is spiced meat and hamm.`
`00:16.40`	`NeoTron`	`ah seems somethinf changed with chat @ ptr. chatter doesn't work. :P`
`00:16.55`	`Tekkub`	`filters changed`
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`00:17.02`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Seerah1] by ChanServ`
`00:17.34`	`NeoTron`	`hmm but disabling chatter and I still don't see whispers`
`00:17.37`	`Cairenn`	`it's a really stupid channel to do it in, but /shrug`
`00:17.47`	`Cairenn`	`if it gets repeated a bunch, I'll deal with it`
`00:17.53`	`NeoTron`	`wonder what else I have that messes with that`
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`00:17.59`	`Tekkub`	`like I said, I'll wait :P`
`00:18.41`	`Synchro`	`Do you really have to create another frame for RegisterEvent, or can you just use Self or this like I see in other lua`
`00:19.51`	`cbreak`	`depends`
`00:19.52`	`Iriel`	`You need A FRAME`
`00:20.01`	`Iriel`	`it can be a new one, or an existing one`
`00:20.10`	`cbreak`	`don't steal other people's frames`
`00:20.30`	`Synchro`	`creates new one`
`00:20.32`	`foxlit`	`So I read the HoverDriver stuff.`
`00:20.48`	`cbreak`	`I use a separate frame for display and events`
`00:20.57`	`cbreak`	`because I want to be able to hide and show my display frames`
`00:21.08`	`foxlit`	`It works. A little too well to be used as a normal timer.`
`00:21.11`	`cbreak`	`hidden frames don't get events as far as I know`
`00:21.24`	`Cide`	`they do`
`00:21.40`	`Iriel`	`The only thing hiding stops is OnUpdate`
`00:21.45`	`cbreak`	`hmm...`
`00:21.54`	`Iriel`	`foxlit: The point is it's not SUPPOSED to work as a "normal timer"`
`00:22.26`	`foxlit`	`Yes, indeed.`
`00:22.26`	`Iriel`	`it's explicitly designed so you CANT do that with it`
`00:22.26`	`foxlit`	`Hence "too well" :)`
`00:22.48`	`Iriel`	`The bugs should be fixed in one of the next PTR patches`
`00:23.08`	`Iriel`	`It does work otherwise 8-)`
`00:23.39`	`foxlit`	`Am I correct in assuming that the timer functionality that was available to the 2.0 stateheaders is now considered undesirable?`
`00:24.21`	`Iriel`	`yes, the blizz folks thought about it and decided that they weren't comfortable with it (especially since the 3.0 revamp made it easier to use)`
`00:27.49`	`mikma`	`http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dirty_mind2.jpg`
`00:27.49`	`foxlit`	`Mhm, life goes on. It'd be nice to have something akin to the /castsequence reset=5 behavior in restricted environments, but I suppose that's an implementation nightmare.`
`00:28.11`	`NeoTron`	`guess zomgbuffs filters chat too`
`00:28.20`	`cbreak`	`no GetTime?`
`00:28.41`	`foxlit`	`GetTime is long-gone.`
`00:29.14`	`mikma`	`http://kuvaton.com/bshit/mchammer.jpg`
`00:30.21`	`cbreak`	`GetTime seems to still work in normal code`
`00:30.46`	`foxlit`	`Yes, but that's not very interesting, since you can't do the fun stuff from unprotected code.`
`00:30.57`	`Synchro`	`Still not working`
`00:30.58`	`Zeksie`	`NeoTron: only with proper thingies, erm registered chat filters`
`00:31.19`	`Synchro`	`Someone wanna VNC to help me out abit?`
`00:32.18`	`cbreak`	`you'd really let random strangers VNC into your machine? :)`
`00:32.36`	`Synchro`	`Without any acces. sure.`
`00:32.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`there is a coding program that allows for near realtim multi-connection coding`
`00:32.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`realtime*`
`00:32.56`	`Synchro`	`Besides just watching my screen`
`00:32.58`	`Synchro`	`:)`
`00:33.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`dont remeber what it is however`
`00:33.03`	`cbreak`	`I had one some years ago Thunder_Child`
`00:33.06`	`cbreak`	`SubEthaEdit`
`00:33.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`remember*`
`00:33.14`	`foxlit`	`Thunder_Child: there's more than one`
`00:33.18`	`cbreak`	`it was absolutely real time`
`00:33.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`foxlit, 'a' still counts`
`00:33.35`	`Synchro`	`Forwarding ports.`
`00:34.00`	`foxlit`	`Dunno, tends to suggest 'one'`
`00:34.44`	`Synchro`	`Cbreak`
`00:34.48`	`Synchro`	`Wanna give it a try then?`
`00:35.07`	`cbreak`	`can you handle me making fun of your code?`
`00:35.54`	`foxlit`	`http://wowuidev.pastey.net/109681`
`00:35.54`	`Synchro`	`Sure, I'm from the Garrys mod community, I've known worse people :)`
`00:36.17`	`foxlit`	`// comment syntax doesn't work in Lua, btw`
`00:36.37`	`Synchro`	`Aka AzuiSleet, Xera, JSharpe, people you might not know, but whenever they start playing wow and discover there's lua on it, there's no way you're going to miss them.`
`00:36.48`	`Synchro`	`It works at Garrys mod lua though`
`00:36.51`	`Synchro`	`But that's garry's mod`
`00:36.52`	`Synchro`	`:/`
`00:37.38`	`Synchro`	`TEsting out code.`
`00:38.10`	`Synchro`	`Brilliant`
`00:38.13`	`Synchro`	`Confirmation sound worked.`
`00:38.26`	`Synchro`	`Time to engage into combat`
`00:38.38`	`cbreak`	`as said, you need to call OnLoad :)`
`00:39.06`	`Synchro`	`Mwahahahha`
`00:39.09`	`Synchro`	`Thanks ALOT fox <3`
`00:39.19`	`Synchro`	`Will save these in my WoW lua snippets,`
`00:39.37`	`Synchro`	`Time to try to make more addons from scratch and learn till I think I can start making some big and interesting ones.`
`00:39.57`	`cbreak`	`you should learn how addons work, and how lua works :)`
`00:40.44`	`foxlit`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Doing_Tricks_Without_Lua_Method_Notation`
`00:40.56`	`foxlit`	`(not relevant to current discussion)`
`00:40.56`	`Synchro`	`I know partly how lua works as I said before, but how addons are loaded in WoW are totally different compared to Garry's mod.`
`00:41.28`	`cbreak`	`foxlit: that looks bad. getglobal :(`
`00:41.37`	`cbreak`	`using a method dispatch table seems faster`
`00:41.51`	`foxlit`	`It's a table lookup either way.`
`00:42.03`	`cbreak`	`yes, but you add some other things like string concat too`
`00:42.04`	`Tekkub`	`wow getglobal onevent`
`00:42.09`	`Tekkub`	`someone should be shot`
`00:42.34`	`Synchro`	`LOL`
`00:42.35`	`foxlit`	`Missing the forest for the trees :/`
`00:42.50`	`Tekkub`	`didn't miss nothin :P`
`00:43.11`	`Tekkub`	`using slower code to specifically avoid using something that's fast in lua`
`00:43.17`	`Tekkub`	`totally makes sense`
`00:43.22`	`foxlit`	`The actual architecture looks like someone was on 'shrooms. The implementation details are irrelevant.`
`00:43.58`	`Tekkub`	`nah, shrooms would be creative and pretty, but likely not functional`
`00:44.05`	`Tekkub`	`this is like a bad acid trip`
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`00:44.34`	`cbreak`	`http://paste.the-color-black.net/11 is how I do it :)`
`00:45.12`	`Kaso`	`Is that person scared of tables?`
`00:45.18`	`Tekkub`	`f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, event, ...) if self[event] then return self[event](self, event, ...) end end)`
`00:45.24`	`Tekkub`	`one line of code :P`
`00:45.47`	`foxlit`	`(if self[event]? What happened to bravely calling things no code has called before?)`
`00:46.00`	`Tekkub`	`shrug`
`00:46.08`	`foxlit`	`It's avoiding tables because there is also a http://www.wowwiki.com/Doing_Tricks_With_Lua_Method_Notation`
`00:46.41`	`Tekkub`	`someone tag that article with {{silly}} and lets all forget it exists`
`00:48.51`	`Adys`	`someone remind me`
`00:48.59`	`Adys`	`how do I check if a number is in a table?`
`00:49.12`	`foxlit`	`and by "in" you mean?`
`00:49.13`	`cbreak`	`search the whole table`
`00:49.15`	`foxlit`	`is a key?`
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`00:49.17`	`foxlit`	`is a value?`
`00:49.18`	`cbreak`	`and look if it's inside`
`00:49.22`	`Adys`	`10 in {1, 2, 4, 6, 10}`
`00:49.25`	`Adys`	`for example`
`00:49.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`iteration`
`00:49.34`	`cbreak`	`linear search :/`
`00:49.34`	`foxlit`	`what cbreak said, then.`
`00:49.48`	`Adys`	`hm ok thought there was a keyword for it`
`00:49.50`	`Adys`	`too much python`
`00:49.51`	`cbreak`	`if you can rely on sortedness, try binary search`
`00:50.01`	`cbreak`	`but if you can chose the implementation`
`00:50.04`	`cbreak`	`implement it differently`
`00:50.11`	`Kaso`	`if you want to use your table as a dictionary type structure you can to t={[1]=true, [2]=true} then you can do if t[num]`
`00:50.18`	`cbreak`	`exactly`
`00:50.22`	`Adys`	`nah cant`
`00:50.33`	`Adys`	`its just a list of ids`
`00:50.53`	`cbreak`	`source?`
`00:51.01`	`cbreak`	`mutability?`
`00:51.08`	`Kaso`	`if you're populating it theres nothing stopping you doing that`
`00:51.19`	`Adys`	`its manually populated`
`00:51.23`	`cbreak`	`by you?`
`00:51.26`	`Adys`	`yes`
`00:51.30`	`cbreak`	`then you can change it`
`00:52.43`	`cbreak`	`instead of {[1] = 1, [2] = 2, [3] = 4, [4] = 6, [5] = 10}`
`00:53.25`	`cbreak`	`do {[1] = true, [2] = true, [4] = true, [6] = true, [10] = true{`
`00:54.05`	`Adys`	`whats so bad about linear search?`
`00:54.15`	`Kaso`	`its an O(n) function`
`00:54.30`	`cbreak`	`it doesn't scale`
`00:54.37`	`foxlit`	`Oh, it scales.`
`00:54.38`	`foxlit`	`linearly.`
`00:54.50`	`cbreak`	`yes. that's not scaling. that's getting slower at the same pace as you grow`
`00:55.03`	`Kaso`	`depends on your perspective really`
`00:55.07`	`Adys`	`it wont contain more than 50 ids or so at most`
`00:55.09`	`Adys`	`as i said`
`00:55.12`	`Adys`	`its manually populated`
`00:55.21`	`Kaso`	`if your other option is O(n^2) then O(n) scales cbreak ;p`
`00:55.21`	`cbreak`	`O(1) is better either way :P`
`00:55.38`	`Kaso`	`No real problems then Adys`
`00:56.06`	`cbreak`	`tb[idx] is O(1) I think.`
`00:56.19`	`foxlit`	`in time.`
`00:56.20`	`WarCraftUnleashe`	`Does any one need free guild site hosting, also have a few vents that i can give away to select guilds.`
`00:56.36`	`Kaso`	`im not sure exactly how the implementation is in lua, but it should be nearly that.`
`00:57.02`	`Adys`	`WarCraftUnleashe: can you type /server quakenet.org 6667`
`00:57.15`	`Cide`	`Adys:`
`00:57.17`	`Kaso`	`lol`
`00:57.29`	`Cide`	`4 in set([ 1, 2, 4, 6, 10])`
`00:57.30`	`Cide`	`gogo`
`00:57.36`	`Cide`	`O(1)`
`00:57.42`	`Adys`	`that doesnt look like lua to me :(`
`00:57.45`	`Cide`	`almost`
`00:57.54`	`Cide`	`it's like lua, only better`
`00:58.02`	`cbreak`	`what do you not like on my solution? :(`
`00:58.10`	`cbreak`	`tb[idx] is O(1). and lua :)`
`00:58.19`	`foxlit`	`It's personal, cbreak.`
`00:58.27`	`foxlit`	`We just don't like _you_.`
`00:58.37`	`foxlit`	`(only kidding)`
`00:58.40`	`Adys`	`coding in lua after not leaving python for weeks feels like suddenly going on a diet`
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`00:58.56`	`Adys`	`"cant have that sorry"`
`00:59.04`	`Kaso`	`lol`
`00:59.37`	`AnduinLothar`	`Sanctified Seals: Renamed Sanctity of Battle. Now also increases damage done by Exorcism and Crusader Strike by 5/10/15%.`
`00:59.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`is that not on PTR yet?`
`00:59.49`	`AnduinLothar`	`or is the tooltip just not correct`
`01:00.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`oo armor pen got boosted`
`01:00.45`	`AnduinLothar`	`now i'm happy i have more armor pen on my gear than was useful, lol`
`01:01.05`	`AnduinLothar`	`oh but haste got boosted too`
`01:01.20`	`cbreak`	`how so?`
`01:01.21`	`AnduinLothar`	`wonder how they decided that was ballenced`
`01:01.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`Armor Penetration Rating: All classes now receive 25% more benefit from Armor Penetration Rating.`
`01:01.29`	`AnduinLothar`	`Haste Rating: Shamans, Paladins, Druids, and Death Knights now receive 30% more melee haste from Haste Rating.`
`01:01.31`	`cbreak`	`I want frost to get boosted!`
`01:01.35`	`cbreak`	`it really needs it :/`
`01:01.56`	`foxlit`	`Probably because haste was just so irrelevant to death knights`
`01:02.04`	`foxlit`	`You basically got a faster 2H swing. Hurray.`
`01:02.15`	`cbreak`	`so? that's what haste is for`
`01:02.18`	`cbreak`	`faster hitting`
`01:02.32`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol`
`01:02.34`	`foxlit`	`white damage is an insignificant portion of my damage output.`
`01:02.46`	`AnduinLothar`	`it's pretty significant to pallies...`
`01:02.50`	`Shirik`	`So I go to subway`
`01:02.54`	`AnduinLothar`	`wondering how that affects our dps`
`01:02.55`	`Shirik`	`They're out of white bread AND wheat bread`
`01:02.57`	`Shirik`	`wtf`
`01:03.26`	`AnduinLothar`	`these higher res textures look nice`
`01:03.35`	`AnduinLothar`	`on my 30"`
`01:03.39`	`foxlit`	`Hence any rating that increases white damage only is somewhat bleak in comparison to any rating that affects all attacks.`
`01:03.54`	`cbreak`	`haste also affects spells :)`
`01:04.11`	`foxlit`	`Army of the Dead is the only one with a cast time.`
`01:04.12`	`AnduinLothar`	`not when all your spells are instant cast :P`
`01:04.17`	`cbreak`	`sure`
`01:04.24`	`cbreak`	`it got changed a bit some time ago`
`01:04.27`	`cbreak`	`it also reduces the gcd`
`01:04.41`	`cbreak`	`down to at most 1 sec I think`
`01:04.47`	`Kaso`	`does haste reduce gcd? i didnt know that.`
`01:04.50`	`foxlit`	`Which is of virtually no benefit either, since it's rune/runic power bounded.`
`01:04.56`	`foxlit`	`Kaso: yes, it does.`
`01:04.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Down to 1sec`
`01:05.33`	`foxlit`	`Which makes it somewhat useless to say cat druids.`
`01:05.36`	`Kaso`	`does it reduce gcd at the same amount it reduces spell casting time? or how is it calculated`
`01:06.22`	`AnduinLothar`	`Players can now return items purchased with an alternate currency back to the original vendor within 2 hours of the purchase time for the original cost of the item`
`01:06.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`yummy`
`01:06.33`	`AnduinLothar`	`bet that cuts down on GM Tickets`
`01:06.42`	`foxlit`	`same calculation, pretend GCD is a 1.5s cast spell`
`01:06.49`	`foxlit`	`Hah, that's awesome.`
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`01:13.20`	`AnduinLothar`	`Woah new guardian of the light is hax`
`01:13.58`	`AnduinLothar`	`perma Divine Plea while attacking`
`01:16.48`	`AnduinLothar`	`oh hax alt spec is free to switch... i thought it'd cost a reagent`
`01:17.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`AnduinLothar: more or less necessary if they're ditching the mana return on bosanc`
`01:18.29`	`Kaso`	`AnduinLothar, wasnt it that it was gonna cost a reagent outside cities? or something like that`
`01:18.40`	`Kaso`	`im vague`
`01:19.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`it doesn't say anythign about reagent in game`
`01:19.43`	`cbreak`	`I read it's just like a short cast`
`01:19.44`	`AnduinLothar`	`then again im ina city`
`01:19.53`	`cbreak`	`but only doable out of combat`
`01:20.02`	`AnduinLothar`	`ya and eats all your resources`
`01:20.08`	`AnduinLothar`	`mana/rage etc`
`01:20.27`	`cbreak`	`tragic. especially the rage thing :)`
`01:22.57`	`AnduinLothar`	`i like how they made a bunch of ret things cost less tallents, means i can actually put points into prot/holy`
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`01:24.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`so cooldown on tallent switching eather :)`
`01:24.33`	`AnduinLothar`	`no*`
`01:25.51`	`kneeki`	`Would button:CreateTexture() be used to texture the button for a spell in the spellbook? I'm having issues, as usual. -_-`
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`01:51.25`	`AnduinLothar`	`ooo LFG upgrades`
`01:52.20`	`AnduinLothar`	`wont let me PUG a raid tho...`
`01:53.54`	`AnduinLothar`	`and Uldamon isnt int he LFM list`
`01:54.49`	`Dagmar`	`It would be awesome if it was`
`01:55.25`	`AnduinLothar`	`so i didnt load addons on purpose... but i keep trying to scroll the chat :'(`
`01:56.28`	`kd3`	`ya`
`01:56.37`	`kd3`	`I hate that that's not enabled in the default ui`
`01:56.50`	`Tekkub`	`default chatframe blow monkeyballs`
`01:57.05`	`Tekkub`	`the chat edit arrows not working is the worst`
`01:57.15`	`Tekkub`	`alt-up is not intuitive!`
`01:58.44`	`Dagmar`	`Alt-up doesn't recall the last line you entered?`
`01:59.04`	`AnduinLothar`	`it does`
`01:59.12`	`Dagmar`	`Seems intuitive enough to me`
`01:59.33`	`AnduinLothar`	`yeah i dont mind the alt combos`
`01:59.47`	`AnduinLothar`	`scroll wheel tho, boggles the mind why that isn't an option`
`01:59.56`	`Dagmar`	`...or at least that's the most common binding for it in the apps I've used`
`02:00.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`it's not like chatscroll hasn't been an addon since closed beta...`
`02:00.29`	`Shirik`	`shiritaku nakattan da`
`02:01.07`	`Shirik`	`ãããããªãã£ããã`
`02:01.09`	`Shirik`	`bah`
`02:01.14`	`Shirik`	`mirc so fails at unicode`
`02:01.21`	`kd3`	`working ok here`
`02:01.25`	`AnduinLothar`	`^^`
`02:01.28`	`kd3`	`glad I don't use mirc though`
`02:01.48`	`kneeki`	`I use ChatZilla -_-`
`02:05.08`	`Shirik`	`kd3: It locked up for 10 seconds when I typed that`
`02:06.54`	`Kirov`	`Anyone know if Guillotine tried BINK video with HighRoller?`
`02:07.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Uh, the last game that blizzard shipped with bink support was D2 iirc`
`02:08.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Possibly D1`
`02:08.59`	`Dagmar`	`Good riddance to Bink`
`02:09.12`	`Kirov`	`What do they use for their videos then?`
`02:09.48`	`Dagmar`	`Looked like AVI to me`
`02:10.16`	`Kalroth`	`DivX`
`02:10.26`	`Kirov`	`Ah`
`02:10.58`	`Kirov`	`Do they have two copies of the intro videos for PC / Mac, or is there a Mac DivX?`
`02:11.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol yes`
`02:11.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`They only use divx in WoW`
`02:11.31`	`Kirov`	`They release all their trailers in DivX and Quicktime`
`02:11.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Release, sure. The OSX games still use divx.`
`02:12.31`	`Dagmar`	`I'm looking at the cinematics directory, they're all avi container, but I don't appear to have anything I can identify with more accurately on that machine at the moment`
`02:12.39`	`Dagmar`	`Darnit`
`02:12.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`They're divx`
`02:12.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Really`
`02:13.08`	`Dagmar`	`I don't doubt you`
`02:13.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`War3 used divx exclusively`
`02:14.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Just renamed to .mpq`
`02:14.27`	`Kirov`	`renamed, or in a .mpq container?`
`02:14.34`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Renamed`
`02:14.54`	`Kaso`	`thats pretty lame`
`02:15.22`	`Dagmar`	`Why? DivX is a better, more modern codec`
`02:15.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Plus you know`
`02:15.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It can handle a decent amount of colors`
`02:19.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`SC used smacker for video and unit portraits, D2 used bink for videos, and that was the last that Blizz ever saw of the Bink/Smacker suite`
`02:21.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`So, we have dungion maps but no player positions in dungions?`
`02:21.18`	`Tekkub`	`oreo?`
`02:21.34`	`Dagmar`	`I thought we were supposed to be getting coordinates in instances in 3.1`
`02:21.34`	`kd3`	`that must've changed this build. we had coords last build`
`02:21.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`oh it does`
`02:21.36`	`Tekkub`	`we have positions unless they removed it`
`02:21.45`	`AnduinLothar`	`but they have to be in range or something`
`02:21.46`	`Tekkub`	`l2map!`
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`02:26.49`	`Spellbinder`	`gnite`
`02:27.14`	`Shirik`	`I like maps`
`02:27.18`	`Shirik`	`HashMaps are good`
`02:27.35`	`Shirik`	`unfortunately they're not thread safe`
`02:28.46`	`Shirik`	`So a friend and I were considering creating something like MATLAB, but open-source`
`02:28.57`	`Shirik`	`and we were trying to come up with a name`
`02:29.02`	`Shirik`	`he proposed MattLab`
`02:29.07`	`kd3`	`there is one... it's called octave`
`02:29.12`	`Shirik`	`kd3: Yes, but that's only matlab`
`02:29.23`	`Shirik`	`I said "like" because it's going to be a little different`
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`02:29.27`	`DOGPILE`	`Does Any 1 need Guild site, i can help ya, even if you dont have hosting, have alot of bw and space i need to use up, so i giving out free hosting.`
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`02:29.43`	`Shirik`	`..... wtf?`
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`02:29.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Something tells me he hit the wrong button when he left`
`02:30.06`	`Shirik`	`I'm debating whether or not that was spam`
`02:30.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Or he's just reallly bad at advertisting and wants to harvest your information for phishing purposes`
`02:30.40`	`Dagmar`	`Yeah, I'm thinking maybe he's hoping people use their WoW account/pwd everywhere`
`02:30.56`	`Shirik`	`meh`
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`02:31.06`	`Shirik`	`oh I fail`
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`02:46.26`	`Shirik`	`kd3: Though that brings up an interesting question`
`02:46.35`	`Shirik`	`What is Octave's legal issues like?`
`02:47.04`	`Shirik`	`One of the things we've been worried about are if we want to support the MATLAB language, is it a patented language. I don't think you can do that, but it's something we have been questioning`
`02:47.35`	`kd3`	`afaik it's fine... fedora ships it`
`02:47.59`	`kd3`	`fedora doesn't go anywhere near patented stuff`
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`02:50.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`heh`
`02:50.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Going through my previous /home drive`
`02:51.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I just found 6.1GB of blizzcon audio :P`
`02:52.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`audio?`
`02:53.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`audio`
`02:53.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`...`
`02:54.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`audio of what>`
`02:54.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/?/?/`
`02:54.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`blizzcon? :P`
`02:54.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/>/?/`
`02:54.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`what at blizzcon`
`02:54.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Everything`
`02:54.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Uncompressed PCM`
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`03:12.32`	`Shirik`	`ScytheBlade1 was at Blizzcon?`
`03:12.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik: no :p`
`03:12.45`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`03:12.47`	`Shirik`	`I was about to say`
`03:12.50`	`Shirik`	`didn't get to meet you :(`
`03:12.56`	`Thunder_Child`	`you wouldnt want to`
`03:12.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Which is why you're still alive`
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`03:26.07`	`Duman`	`hmm`
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`03:44.21`	`batrick`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443445782&sid=1&pageNo=2#25`
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`03:46.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`batrick: I want to stab that Peng guy`
`03:46.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`s/guy/tool/`
`03:46.35`	`batrick`	`Peng?`
`03:46.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`On page 1`
`03:47.10`	`batrick`	`lol`
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`04:16.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`My partitions are awesome`
`04:16.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://pastey.net/109696`
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`04:22.11`	`Hirsute`	`Bah, what I wouldn't give for a perl-style split in regular old (non-WoW) lua.`
`04:45.46`	`kd3`	`sbo... o_O?`
`04:46.12`	`Dagmar`	`I'd really take one of those in petl`
`04:46.15`	`Dagmar`	`er WoW`
`04:46.24`	`Dagmar`	`split() roxors`
`04:46.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`kd3: in the process of moving partitions around`
`04:51.20`	`F_Synchro`	`Is there really no event which check's if you're going on your mount or getting off it?`
`04:52.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`this is the 4th time now in 3 days that MapMem.cpp has crashed on me`
`04:53.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`F_Synchro: no, there is not. You can watch the buffs and figure out what happened, but that is it`
`04:54.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`F_Synchro: or, you could use the companion API to play around and see. Also an option`
`04:55.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`as impractical as this may be, i give it props for looking sweet http://i.gizmodo.com/5165604/bmw-level-10-pc-case-is-art-deco-cray-supercomputer`
`04:57.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://i.gizmodo.com/5165495/you-can-turn-off-every-major-windows-feature-in-windows-7`
`04:59.42`	`Hjalte`	`Thunder_Child: The Windiws 7 deal is sweet!`
`04:59.48`	`Hjalte`	`Windows`
`05:06.11`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`woooo.. The Dedicated Few`
`05:06.32`	`F_Synchro`	`How about the event Companion_update?`
`05:06.57`	`Kirov`	`Looks like motherboard, power supply, and disc drive have their own enclosures (possibly with room for a couple of permanent hard drives with the disc drive). Then a couple of removable drives.`
`05:07.27`	`Kirov`	`My first thought looking at that thing is ... it's going to fry itself from lack of ventilation.`
`05:07.52`	`Kirov`	`That and how many people really use 6 removable hard drives?`
`05:08.23`	`Kirov`	`especially when the chassis for mounting them are uniquely numbered and proprietary`
`05:08.53`	`Dagmar`	`Well, I think part of the problem is that's not a photo--it's concept art`
`05:08.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Sweet`
`05:09.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`So that is what happens when windows changes drive letters on you`
`05:09.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Or you change drive letters on it, rather`
`05:09.28`	`Dagmar`	`That having been said, it's _still_ poorly designed if the PSU isn't carrying air out away from the CPU like it's supposed to`
`05:10.48`	`Kirov`	`it's a PC designed by people who don't use PCs`
`05:15.58`	`Torhal`	`Dagmar: Photo here: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/244/1051244/charlie-loses-heart-thermaltake`
`05:20.45`	`Corrodias`	`so i'm not the only person who hates that look?`
`05:20.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`errthat's a newone`
`05:21.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`hmm @ my space bar`
`05:21.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That isn't a good sign`
`05:22.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`CDBOOT: Memory overflow error`
`05:22.10`	`Corrodias`	`"Charlie Demerjian in Hannover" has lost any credibility he may have had by being employed by... whoever he works for`
`05:22.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`while booting from an XP installer`
`05:24.48`	`Corrodias`	`wait. maybe this is a sarcastic article.`
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`05:25.17`	`Corrodias`	`is the Inquirer here a humor site?`
`05:26.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol @ http://www.theinquirer.net/img/11699/TT_Level10_Side.JPG`
`05:26.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"No Photo"`
`05:42.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`"Classrooms in Canada are actually used for teaching.. not just target shooting like our neighbours to the south.."`
`05:47.57`	`Corrodias`	`i do hear that brazil is pretty rough`
`05:51.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`buhahaha`
`05:51.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443422129&pageNo=2&sid=1#37`
`05:52.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol @ this reply: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443422129&sid=1&pageNo=3#52`
`05:54.17`	`Shirik`	`Additional instances cannot be launched, please try again later.`
`05:55.55`	`Hirsute`	`I love how pissed the posters in the thread got about it, too, ScytheBlade1`
`05:56.44`	`Corrodias`	`what was he replying -to-, exactly? or what does the reply... mean?`
`05:57.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That was just a really entertaining reply (#52)`
`05:57.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Corrodias: some time during beta, GC said that they were going to nerf some class 'TO THE GROUND', caps and all`
`05:58.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Corrodias: the OP in that thread is whining about a`
`05:58.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"nerf"`
`05:58.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`To paladins`
`05:58.17`	`Hirsute`	`Corrodias: You remember GhostCrawler's comment (INTO THE GROUND, BABY!) in the last thread about potential Pally nerfs?`
`05:58.53`	`Corrodias`	`well, no, i don't read those forums much`
`05:59.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://www.blogcdn.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2008/10/zz5af1f40b.jpg`
`05:59.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`^ enjoy`
`05:59.09`	`Corrodias`	`but i understand now`
`05:59.13`	`Hirsute`	`Ah, it was fun, and got a lot of traffic on a lot of meta sites.`
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`06:00.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"you can't trick us! we know you're serious this time!"`
`06:01.07`	`Hirsute`	`nod`
`06:01.58`	`kd3`	`yay, page creation vandals on the wiki`
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`06:03.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Hirsute: speaking of getting pissed off: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443422129&sid=1&pageNo=8#148`
`06:04.42`	`Hirsute`	`People are dick-wads, and generally not nice. This is amplified when they're posting semi-anonymously on an web forum.`
`06:05.16`	`ccox`	`http://www.pennyarcademerch.com/pat070381.html`
`06:05.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`!g GIF theory`
`06:05.17`	`batbot`	`ScytheBlade1: Penny Arcade! - Green Blackboards (And Other Anomalies) <http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/>`
`06:05.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`06:05.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Great minds, etc etc etc`
`06:05.38`	`ccox`	`yep`
`06:06.32`	`Shirik`	`~dict sticktoitiveness`
`06:07.36`	`ccox`	`Though I notice he toned it down to "dickwad" so it should be GID instead of the original GIF`
`06:08.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`For the shirt, sure`
`06:08.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`For the comic, no`
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`06:10.43`	`ccox`	`I wonder if I can get 50 of those shirts for my forum team at work?`
`06:10.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`06:11.24`	`ccox`	`the sad part is, only 10 of them would appreciate it`
`06:12.10`	`ccox`	`hmm, I think I'll look into that anyway :-)`
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`06:17.47`	`Shirik`	`so, is gcc written in C?`
`06:17.59`	`Shirik`	`like, how did they do that?`
`06:18.07`	`ccox`	`bootstrapping`
`06:18.16`	`ccox`	`you can compile GCC with another compiler`
`06:18.27`	`ccox`	`3 generations of compiles later, you should have a good copy of GCC`
`06:18.42`	`Shirik`	`but`
`06:18.46`	`Shirik`	`how was the first gcc ever made`
`06:18.50`	`Shirik`	`with another compiler?`
`06:18.56`	`Shirik`	`So how was that one made`
`06:19.05`	`Shirik`	`I probably shouldn't be thinking about this`
`06:19.25`	`Corrodias`	`presumably, somebody started off with assembly.`
`06:19.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Sooner or later you'll wind up wondering how punch cards really worked`
`06:19.30`	`Corrodias`	`the chicken came before the egg.`
`06:19.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And how someone had to write code that drove the machine that read the cards`
`06:19.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And etc etc etc`
`06:19.59`	`Shirik`	`not really`
`06:20.04`	`Shirik`	`it was done with hardware ScytheBlade1 :)`
`06:20.09`	`Shirik`	`I had a class on that already`
`06:20.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`06:20.21`	`Corrodias`	`i'd suppose programs were written merely as instructions for a long time, then someone made a language and a compiler`
`06:20.22`	`Shirik`	`And that the first "Operating System" was actually the operator of the computer`
`06:20.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`well chances are good the first incarnations were done in assembly`
`06:20.31`	`Shirik`	`and you would send your batches of punch cards and the operator would schedule them`
`06:20.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`If you've ever built gcc`
`06:20.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Actually, you have`
`06:20.44`	`Shirik`	`gentoo ftw`
`06:20.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Or at least gentoo has for you`
`06:20.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It builds itself once`
`06:20.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And then again`
`06:21.05`	`Shirik`	`Stage 1 installs ftw`
`06:21.11`	`Corrodias`	`ah, linux... building applications for every individual computer`
`06:21.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And then gives you the 3rd resulting set of binaries for you to use`
`06:22.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`If you actually pay attention to what is zipping by on your screen, you can quite clearly see it building itself 3x in a row`
`06:24.44`	`Corrodias`	`that is for optimizations or something?`
`06:24.49`	`kd3`	`to make sure the compiler isn't broken and creating bad executables`
`06:24.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`To ensure that it did it correctly`
`06:25.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Lots of little things can break a build`
`06:25.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`RAM, CPU being "just a little" bad`
`06:25.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Static`
`06:25.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The _last_ thing you want to be built improperly would be your compiler`
`06:27.34`	`ccox`	`No, GCC started with C and another compiler`
`06:27.54`	`ccox`	`I think there's even documentation with it on the bootstrapping process (which requires verification along the way)`
`06:29.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`hmm that rings a bell`
`06:29.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`yeah, because ESR was sick of his compiler's license`
`06:29.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`So he wrote his own`
`06:29.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Wait, was it ESR?`
`06:29.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Bah`
`06:30.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`ScytheBlade1, you are talking to yourself and losing the conversation`
`06:30.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`RMS!`
`06:30.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Compiler_Collection#History`
`06:31.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Thunder_Child: I lost myself a LONG time ago`
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`07:00.16`	`Shirik`	`ok`
`07:00.20`	`Shirik`	`looking at an album on itunes`
`07:00.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`no`
`07:00.23`	`Shirik`	`and it says $...`
`07:00.27`	`Shirik`	`wtf is that supposed to mean`
`07:00.36`	`Shirik`	`and if I click "buy" all it says is "Are you sure you want to buy?"`
`07:00.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`you owe them ...`
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`07:05.33`	`Cairenn`	`if you live in a place that does the whole daylight savings thing, don't forget to change your clocks tonight if you haven't already`
`07:06.20`	`Corrodias`	`normally my workplace seems to warn the employees during the week before that happens`
`07:06.26`	`Corrodias`	`but i haven't seen anything around this week :(`
`07:06.41`	`Cairenn`	`good thing I'm here then, huh? ;)`
`07:06.42`	`Tekkub`	`fucking DLST`
`07:07.04`	`Corrodias`	`yeah. which way to i change it?`
`07:07.16`	`Cairenn`	`spring forward, fall back`
`07:07.17`	`Tekkub`	`check your computer tomorrow?`
`07:07.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`All of my clocks update on their own ;)`
`07:07.35`	`Cairenn`	`so it goes forward an hour tonight - if your clock says 2, change it to 3`
`07:07.38`	`Corrodias`	`i guess i might as well just wait and see what my computer doea.`
`07:07.40`	`kd3`	`sigh`
`07:07.45`	`Corrodias`	`since i don't have to care until monday morning`
`07:07.48`	`kd3`	`lost an hour of sleep for no good reason`
`07:07.52`	`kd3`	`I hate you, DST`
`07:08.01`	`kd3`	`haaaaaate`
`07:08.02`	`Tekkub`	`always use it to your advantage too`
`07:08.07`	`Tekkub`	`if you can come in an hour late, DO`
`07:08.19`	`Tekkub`	`if they're going to force that shit on you, use it`
`07:08.43`	`kd3`	`meh, the only clock that I care about that didn't update was my alarm clock... >.<`
`07:08.48`	`kd3`	`phone, watch, computer, all good`
`07:09.21`	`Tekkub`	`my point exactly :)`
`07:11.41`	`kd3`	`blah. the wiki didn't have a conspicuous break of an hour in rc, though`
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`07:12.32`	`kd3`	`lol, fark: "Don't forget to move your clock up an hour tomorrow, or you might be late to that job you just lost [PSA]"`
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`07:13.49`	`Tekkub`	`DLST only hurts graveyards`
`07:13.59`	`Tekkub`	`well, half the time`
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`07:15.32`	`Tem`	`split isn't half on half off anymore`
`07:15.41`	`Tem`	`it's 8 months on 4 months off`
`07:16.20`	`Tem`	`unless you mean the hour lost/gained when switching the time twice a year`
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`07:20.27`	`Tekkub`	`I mean the change`
`07:20.46`	`Tekkub`	`half the time they end up working extra, and half not`
`07:21.26`	`Tekkub`	`although, with forward they lose an hour of work, but then have to work an extra hour for the people that don't come in`
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`07:25.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`my clock already changed on me, no wonder i didnt think it was that late already`
`07:25.52`	`Tekkub`	`does this mean I can cram in 3 dailies tonight?`
`07:26.00`	`Tekkub`	`will it reset twice? boggle`
`07:26.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`it goes forward`
`07:26.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`and blizzard has never had a grasp of dlst`
`07:26.35`	`Tekkub`	`SHUT YOUR LOGIC HOLE`
`07:26.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`the ui saying how long until dailies reset will be an hour off from when they really reset now`
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`07:27.36`	`Tekkub`	`yea the calendar has a "use local" option, both in game and online`
`07:27.46`	`Tekkub`	`online respects it, in-game doesn't`
`07:27.52`	`Tekkub`	`it only changes the clock in game`
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`07:29.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`if the calender stuff wasnt protected maybe you could make a mod to fix that`
`07:29.43`	`Tekkub`	`motivation`
`07:46.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`ckknight, ping`
`08:06.46`	`ckknight`	`Thunder_Child: pong`
`08:08.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`ckknight, are gold coffie like stains a known issue in cart?`
`08:08.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`on mouseover of the map`
`08:08.38`	`ckknight`	`cart3?`
`08:08.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes`
`08:10.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`they seem to be gold outlines of the nore maps stuff`
`08:10.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`normal*`
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`08:22.13`	`Shirik`	`Is Ossiran bugged?`
`08:23.05`	`Shirik`	`also, why is wowwiki taking forever and a day to load pages`
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`09:18.01`	`Thrae`	`Man, trying to PvP for some pre-raid epics...not fun.`
`09:18.43`	`Thrae`	`I keep forgetting how much Warhammer "spoils" me with Bolster, haha`
`09:23.12`	`Vilkku`	`uhu, is there an event which fires when someone receives loot, which has the item name as an arg?`
`09:25.33`	`Shirik`	`sorta`
`09:25.40`	`Shirik`	`CHAT_MSG_LOOT`
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`09:48.47`	`End`	`huh`
`09:50.41`	`End`	`should the new isMine (now caster) return for UnitAura be giving "pet" as a token?`
`09:50.52`	`End`	`(the answer is no)`
`10:03.38`	`Wobin`	`hit rating req for hunters?`
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`10:05.18`	`Shirik`	`wow.`
`10:05.23`	`Shirik`	`Google knows everything`
`10:05.29`	`Shirik`	`I asked google why spanish people have such long names`
`10:05.33`	`Shirik`	`and it has answers`
`10:09.34`	`End`	`interesting`
`10:12.48`	`Olison`	`Indeed`
`10:14.27`	`Shirik`	`Dalaran: 205 Clockwise, 105 Counter-Clockwise Labs`
`10:14.36`	`Shirik`	`I dare say this is one of the best addons I've ever made`
`10:14.54`	`Olison`	`rofl`
`10:15.00`	`Olison`	`You didn't`
`10:15.09`	`Olison`	`Did you?`
`10:15.34`	`Tekkub`	`too bad I never spend time in dolly :P`
`10:15.48`	`Shirik`	`I did`
`10:15.49`	`jaxdahl`	`Laps?`
`10:16.03`	`Shirik`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12679-Speedway.html`
`10:16.53`	`jaxdahl`	`does it start tracking a lap at any particular point in dalaran?`
`10:17.06`	`jaxdahl`	`ie, do you have a bunch of checkpoints/segments set up?`
`10:17.12`	`selckin`	`if that went back in time and tracked ironforge laps i'd smoke you all`
`10:17.38`	`Shirik`	`I have checkpoints`
`10:17.46`	`Shirik`	`there's 4 gates`
`10:17.47`	`Tekkub`	`I'll offer smoking too`
`10:17.52`	`Tekkub`	`but only to the furry bastards`
`10:17.56`	`Shirik`	`I could add more, but I wrote this in less than a day`
`10:17.58`	`Shirik`	`so`
`10:18.05`	`Shirik`	`it's not hard; I designed it to be easily modifiable`
`10:18.14`	`Shirik`	`I intend to add in UC and Shatt at least`
`10:18.23`	`Shirik`	`and maybe IF, but I'm not sure what to do with IF because it's rather large`
`10:18.28`	`Shirik`	`and there's a multitude of choices`
`10:18.36`	`Tekkub`	`inner and outer`
`10:18.39`	`Tekkub`	`just like UC`
`10:18.56`	`Shirik`	`yeah but do people really go all the way around IF?`
`10:19.00`	`Tekkub`	`or just rotations around the center at any radius`
`10:19.03`	`jaxdahl`	`are you tracking it by what subzone you are in`
`10:19.07`	`jaxdahl`	`or by physical coords`
`10:19.08`	`Shirik`	`That's how I'm doing UC, Tekkub`
`10:19.25`	`Shirik`	`by coordinates`
`10:19.53`	`Shirik`	`But I mean, when I was in IF, I would only ever go from the battlemasters over to the mage portal place`
`10:19.57`	`Shirik`	`and back and forth along there`
`10:20.03`	`Shirik`	`not all the way around`
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`10:21.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik, you need a timer, to see if you can beat your previous lap`
`10:21.36`	`Shirik`	`Someone's already suggested that actually :)`
`10:21.42`	`Shirik`	`I probably will add it in`
`10:22.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`can you add a ghost trail on the minimap so you can see where you went the last time?`
`10:22.16`	`Vilkku`	`uhu`
`10:22.33`	`Shirik`	`ow`
`10:22.38`	`Shirik`	`Now you're making it hard :P`
`10:22.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`XD`
`10:22.44`	`Shirik`	`this was something I wrote while bored ><`
`10:22.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`why yes, i do do my job well`
`10:24.27`	`Vilkku`	`I want to compare a number people whisper to me with a number set in a variable, how would I do that?`
`10:24.35`	`Vilkku`	`whatever someone whispers it's always an string =/`
`10:24.58`	`Shirik`	`!api tonumber`
`10:24.58`	`lua_bot`	`Documentation for 'tonumber' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-tonumber`
`10:25.17`	`Vilkku`	`you really know your stuff, don't you? :P thanks`
`10:26.31`	`Shirik`	`I have 700 resilience`
`10:26.34`	`Shirik`	`and just got hit for 8k`
`10:26.35`	`Shirik`	`wtf`
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`10:27.35`	`Shirik`	`AHAHAHA`
`10:27.36`	`Shirik`	`no I don't`
`10:27.38`	`Shirik`	`I'm wearing my raid gear`
`10:27.39`	`Shirik`	`damn it`
`10:28.10`	`Vilkku`	`Shirik, would it also be possible to get a number from a string with other shit in it, say someone whispered "90 dkp for those fancy pants" then it would first extract 90 and then convert it?`
`10:28.52`	`Shirik`	`well actually tonumber will do that for that simple case`
`10:28.52`	`stesmi`	`Hi all, I've got a problem with an addon I'm writing and was hoping maybe someone could give me a pointer. I've got the WoW UI Kit installed but there just seems like there's something happening that I can't find the corresponding xml (or code) for. Specifically I have found where LootButton1 is made (in the xml) but I can't figure out where LootButton1Text is made`
`10:29.10`	`Shirik`	`however the more correct answer is to use a Lua pattern (similar to regular expressions, if you're familiar with them)`
`10:29.11`	`Vilkku`	`Shirik, what about "I bid 90"? :P`
`10:29.17`	`Shirik`	`!api string.match`
`10:29.17`	`lua_bot`	`Documentation for 'string.match' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.match`
`10:29.22`	`jnwhiteh`	`buttons implicitly have text. stesmi`
`10:29.41`	`jnwhiteh`	`if you look at the definition for LootButton1, there's probably code that defines what font is used`
`10:29.44`	`Shirik`	`lua> string.match("([0-9]+)", "I bid 90")`
`10:29.44`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: nil`
`10:29.46`	`Shirik`	`er`
`10:29.59`	`Shirik`	`lua> string.match("I bid 90", "([0-9]+)")`
`10:30.00`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: 90`
`10:30.12`	`stesmi`	`jnwhiteh: this is what they do, let me get the quote`
`10:30.54`	`stesmi`	`jnwhiteh: button = getglobal("LootButton"..index); and text = getglobal("LootButton"..index.."Text");`
`10:31.02`	`jnwhiteh`	`yes`
`10:31.05`	`jnwhiteh`	`this is after they've created it`
`10:31.05`	`stesmi`	`which means it's two different symbols, no ?`
`10:31.09`	`jnwhiteh`	`yes`
`10:31.15`	`jnwhiteh`	`Buttons implicitly have text`
`10:31.22`	`jnwhiteh`	`so long as you set the normalfont`
`10:31.31`	`jnwhiteh`	`that happens in the XML definition`
`10:31.36`	`jnwhiteh`	`but it doesn't matter _where_ its created`
`10:31.43`	`jnwhiteh`	`it just is`
`10:32.07`	`stesmi`	`I get what you mean when referring to LootButton1 for instance`
`10:32.30`	`stesmi`	`but grepping for LootButton1Text or anything else similar yields nothing usable`
`10:32.35`	`stesmi`	`anywhere (that I've found)`
`10:32.35`	`jnwhiteh`	`sigh`
`10:32.39`	`jnwhiteh`	`implicit`
`10:32.43`	`jnwhiteh`	`it is not explicitly defined anywhere.`
`10:32.59`	`stesmi`	`ok, that bit I hadn't gotten`
`10:33.06`	`jnwhiteh`	`ItemButtonTemplate`
`10:33.13`	`jnwhiteh`	`line 4 of LootFrame.xml`
`10:33.25`	`jnwhiteh`	`defined a template which defines a loot button`
`10:33.35`	`jnwhiteh`	`this includes the $parentText element`
`10:33.41`	`jnwhiteh`	`<Button name="LootButton1" inherits="LootButtonTemplate" id="1">`
`10:33.50`	`jnwhiteh`	`this is why when LootButton1 is created, it has that element`
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`10:34.29`	`stesmi`	`ok, so what you're saying is that LootButton1 and LootButton1Text is really the same`
`10:34.44`	`Shirik`	`uh`
`10:34.54`	`jnwhiteh`	`no, not at all`
`10:34.57`	`jnwhiteh`	`LootButton1 is a button`
`10:35.04`	`jnwhiteh`	`LootButton1Text is a font string belonging to that button`
`10:35.12`	`jnwhiteh`	`it seems you don't really understand the frame system in WoW`
`10:35.19`	`stesmi`	`no, now I get what you mean`
`10:35.58`	`stesmi`	`I wasn't thinking down the second level is all`
`10:36.20`	`stesmi`	`thanx, this explains it`
`10:48.37`	`stesmi`	`(and yes, now everything works as it should)`
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`11:02.19`	`Shirik`	`night night`
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`11:29.14`	`ZorbaBeta`	`I always feel bad about dropping out of a group that's clearly going nowhere, especially when it includes two guildies`
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`11:38.47`	`Vilkku`	`how would I add an variable to an array and then at some point check if a string is in that array?`
`11:38.48`	`Vilkku`	`say`
`11:39.15`	`Vilkku`	`I receive whispers, so I add every sender to an array, and then it always checks if the sender is already in the array - if he/she is, then do something`
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`12:06.00`	`leethal`	`how do you create text input boxes?`
`12:06.05`	`leethal`	`been trying to find something on zeh wiki`
`12:06.58`	`zenzelezz`	`wouldn't that be the EditBox widget?`
`12:07.29`	`leethal`	`indeed, thanks`
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`12:12.05`	`leethal`	`hmm, are there any samples on how to programatically create those?`
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`12:14.02`	`leethal`	`I end up getting all sorts of weird behavior. Atm, it captures all keypresses whatsoever as soon as I create it. I guess there's some flags or something you can set to have it not do that.`
`12:16.51`	`leethal`	`perhaps there is a template I should inherit, currently I'm just doing CreateFrame("EditBox", "ZehName") -- no template`
`12:25.21`	`jnwhiteh`	`leethal: SetAutoFocus is the major one`
`12:26.03`	`jnwhiteh`	`InputBoxTemplate is an easy one`
`12:26.09`	`jnwhiteh`	`but it doesn't set autofocus`
`12:26.28`	`jnwhiteh`	`but you can do that immediately aftewards`
`12:26.58`	`leethal`	`ah, i see`
`12:26.59`	`leethal`	`thanks`
`12:27.50`	`Wobin`	`...`
`12:27.52`	`Wobin`	`http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/2674053-for-all-you-deer-hunters-this-is-how-you-pack-a-150lbs-deer-into-a-bmw-z4-convertible`
`12:32.46`	`mikma`	`wobin: i'd hate to clean that up :D`
`12:33.04`	`mikma`	`estimated speed on hit? 150km/h`
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`12:48.06`	`Wobin`	`the bmw z4`
`12:48.10`	`Wobin`	`it slices, it dices...`
`12:48.13`	`Wobin`	`it BLENDS`
`12:50.13`	`mikma`	`will it blend?`
`12:50.15`	`mikma`	`yes!`
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`12:56.26`	`Wobin`	`wait. what? Lichborne will no longer make your opponent miss?`
`12:56.47`	`Wobin`	`and UB is getting the same cooldown?`
`12:57.51`	`mikma`	`nerf.`
`13:06.46`	`Kalroth`	`Dezzi sux!`
`13:13.42`	`Wobin`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443187628&sid=1&pageNo=1`
`13:13.47`	`Wobin`	`now -there- is a good thread`
`13:14.16`	`Wobin`	`I'm impressed it's a civil (95% of it) thread on the forums =P`
`13:14.56`	`Dezzi`	`Wobin: Xav actually sandbagged his test that he ran`
`13:15.00`	`Dezzi`	`and later admitted to it`
`13:15.08`	`Wobin`	`sandbagged?`
`13:15.22`	`Dezzi`	`Yes, played poorly so as to make warrior tanks look in need of tuning`
`13:15.36`	`Wobin`	`ah =)`
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`13:22.22`	`jnwhiteh`	`nom deer *nom`
`13:23.09`	`mikma`	`lol`
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`13:35.11`	`Eggi`	`is there an faq for the wowi svn?`
`13:36.01`	`Thrae`	`Eggi: Yep.`
`13:36.11`	`Eggi`	`and where?`
`13:37.05`	`Thrae`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/faq.php?faq=svn`
`13:37.31`	`Eggi`	`thx... already found it ;)`
`13:37.44`	`Thrae`	`Yeah; isn't hard to find.`
`13:43.10`	`Eggi`	`externals are not allowed or only not mentioned in the faq?`
`13:52.00`	`jnwhiteh`	`of course externals are allowed...`
`13:52.03`	`jnwhiteh`	`why would you think otherwise?`
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`14:15.31`	`leethal`	`what's a good event to watch where I can call GetComboPoints()?`
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`14:16.24`	`[draco]`	`what do you want to use it for?`
`14:16.28`	`[draco]`	`regular updates?`
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`14:16.50`	`leethal`	`display the amount of combo points for the current target`
`14:16.51`	`Eggi`	`UNIT_COMBO_POINTS`
`14:17.07`	`leethal`	`well, that sorta made sense`
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`14:43.51`	`Eggi`	`is there anything i can do that i don't get a libs folder with all the externals in every sub folder of my addon?`
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`14:52.49`	`jnwhiteh`	`Eggi: you should not be getting that, it means your externals are set up wrong`
`15:03.16`	`cbreak`	`it would be nice to be able to disable glyphs without removing them`
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`15:05.00`	`jnwhiteh`	`why would you want to do that?`
`15:05.01`	`Eggi`	`is there a problem with the test zip creation? the log says "A trunk/DotIt/libs`
`15:05.01`	`Eggi`	`A trunk/DotIt/libs/sbar.lua" but in the zip file i can't find the file... instead it seems like if the generated zip is from an old version`
`15:05.27`	`jnwhiteh`	`Eggi: Add me to your svn project`
`15:05.29`	`jnwhiteh`	`with the ability to push files`
`15:05.34`	`jnwhiteh`	`and we'll get it figured out`
`15:05.41`	`jnwhiteh`	`its not likely an issue with the system. but I can look for you`
`15:06.05`	`cbreak`	`the drawbacks of some glyphs are very strong, and they are harmfull in some cases`
`15:06.09`	`cbreak`	`but beneficial in others`
`15:07.18`	`Eggi`	`you should be added`
`15:07.29`	`cbreak`	`I wonder if glyphs are removable without replacing them`
`15:07.47`	`foxlit`	`they are, iirc`
`15:08.07`	`foxlit`	`there's some arcane modifier+click combination; see the tooltip over the glyph frame.`
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`15:26.29`	`mikma`	`i'm still amazed how rare the Dragon Kite is`
`15:26.45`	`mikma`	`people have jaws dropping when i pose with my kite out`
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`15:31.51`	`jnwhiteh`	`=)`
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`15:54.28`	`leethal`	`"Wowfriend", awesome character name`
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`16:39.03`	`Ose`	`waah`
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`16:39.57`	`foxlit`	`Grr!`
`16:39.58`	`Ose`	`what was the bloody zoom distance command again?`
`16:40.00`	`Ose`	`I can't see anything on PTR`
`16:40.27`	`foxlit`	`"Cannot insecurely modify restricted table" with ..\FrameXML\SecureHandlers.lua:357 on the stack (OnEnter wrapper)`
`16:40.48`	`foxlit`	`And the problem is that I don't actually wrap OnEnter :/`
`16:41.03`	`foxlit`	`Presumably, someone else does.`
`16:41.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Ose: /console cameraDistanceMax 50`
`16:42.00`	`Ose`	`danke`
`16:42.01`	`foxlit`	`And if whoever it is crashes on an issecure() check, it's probably the entire restricted environment that's tainted :/`
`16:42.43`	`Ose`	`I have it in a macro on live, but live =/= PTR and I cba to go into the files to find my macro`
`16:42.53`	`Ose`	`(no gamecard on live either)`
`16:42.58`	`foxlit`	`(Awesome stack, btw: (tail call): ? [C]: ? [C]: ? RestrictedExecution:840 (tail call): ? (tail call): ? SecureHandlers:364 (tailcall): ?)`
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`16:43.42`	`Ose`	`which race NPC do you guys think is the easiest to defeat in tournament matches?`
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`17:00.20`	`Flugh`	`UI and LUA noob. looking to fiddle, curious if anyone has a suggestion on actionbar mod that i can do a scriptable configuration for? a learning project for me, just want to automagic say 4x12 bars, and a 6 button off to a side, set the x,y on screen, etc via LUA script`
`17:00.24`	`krka`	`Flugh: Don't call it that. :-P`
`17:01.00`	`Ose`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Ose/tournament anyone want to add anything?`
`17:02.05`	`Flugh`	`sorry. not sure which "it" and "that". or who's an infobot or got a pulse :) just bored with wow and wanting to lube up my Alt addiction`
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`17:08.14`	`Ose`	`~purl`
`17:08.15`	`purl`	`We are the purl, prepare to be assimilated`
`17:08.24`	`Ose`	`^is an infobot`
`17:08.33`	`Flugh`	`thanks`
`17:09.44`	`Flugh`	`i'm reading through the tute at wowwiki. dunno, the game has me so frustrated right now, willing to do anything to keep from quitting for the last time ever i swear again :)`
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`17:11.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol: http://www.headsethotties.com/page/2/`
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`17:12.43`	`Tuller`	`so, RANGE_INDICATOR = "" makes the quest log tracker buttons in 3.1 blow up :P`
`17:12.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`not so much the content but the simple fact that the site exists`
`17:13.04`	`Tuller`	`I think`
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`17:24.41`	`Ose`	`tuller is dominos 3.1 compatible?`
`17:25.00`	`Tuller`	`dominos has the following issues with 3.1:`
`17:25.17`	`Tuller`	`setting RANGE_INDICATOR = '' blows up the quest log tracker if buttons are created post dominos`
`17:25.34`	`Tuller`	`the auto fade stuff no longer works/need to write my own thingy for it`
`17:25.53`	`Tuller`	`other than that, everything seems to work`
`17:26.43`	`Fisker-`	`Bartender4 > Dominos`
`17:27.06`	`Tuller`	`bah :P`
`17:27.15`	`jnwhiteh`	`lol`
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`17:28.47`	`Tuller`	`all bartender versus dominos stuff to me comes down to, "I like my right click menus and sticky code" :P`
`17:34.12`	`Vangual`	`hmm`
`17:34.45`	`Fisker-`	`sup jnwhiteh`
`17:35.01`	`Fisker-`	`i'm gonna carve a pixel out of your sight`
`17:35.02`	`jnwhiteh`	`manticores!`
`17:35.17`	`Fisker-`	`i hate them`
`17:45.03`	`Dagmar`	`Tuller: I'll stick with "I can build my custom conditionals more easily with Macaroon"`
`17:45.21`	`Tuller`	`bah :P`
`17:46.17`	`Tuller`	`though I think the macaroon approach is more or less the right approach to infinite action buttons`
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`18:05.58`	`Rabbitbunny`	`So... I don't play anymore, but I've just updated my addon to work with WotLK. Any chance I could find a tester?`
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`18:11.05`	`nevcairiel`	`Didnt Maul stop working on macaroon?`
`18:13.50`	`Ose`	`rabbitbunny: what kind of addon?`
`18:14.26`	`Ose`	`anyway the PTR doesn't require gamecards/subscriptions`
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`18:18.39`	`foxlit`	`Ose: yes it does.`
`18:18.52`	`Ose`	`uh?`
`18:19.13`	`Ose`	`how come i'm on there because i'm out of gamecard on live then?`
`18:19.14`	`foxlit`	`You have to have had an active subscription at some date in order to be able to access the PTR.`
`18:20.22`	`foxlit`	`(they do have to pull the auth server data from somewhen, you know :) )`
`18:21.21`	`Rabbitbunny`	`Ose: farmfu, tracks how fast you get gols per area, pulls data from auctioneer.`
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`18:33.10`	`Nizomi`	`hm, so since its possible to load models, is it possible to load a 3d-view of the map?`
`18:33.57`	`zenzelezz`	`there's usually one if you turn your camera to face down`
`18:34.17`	`Nizomi`	`yeah but you usually cant just scroll above that map :p`
`18:36.17`	`jnwhiteh`	`the 3-d world isn't a model`
`18:36.19`	`jnwhiteh`	`not in the same way`
`18:37.14`	`Nizomi`	`meh :o would be pretty fun`
`18:46.19`	`Fisker-`	`google maps street view for azeroth!`
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`19:18.28`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`wb all`
`19:19.07`	`mikma`	`hai!`
`19:19.12`	`mikma`	`liek welcome`
`19:22.42`	`Tekkub`	`we didn't go anywhere`
`19:23.19`	`Tekkub`	`proof: "irc.freenode.net gives channel operator status to Cairenn\|afk Shiibot"`
`19:23.36`	`jnwhiteh`	`idd!`
`19:23.37`	`jnwhiteh`	`19:14 irc.freenode.net has changed mode: +oo Cairenn\|afk Shiibot`
`19:23.39`	`jnwhiteh`	`PROOF`
`19:23.59`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`:)`
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`19:29.20`	`mikma`	`<2114> ::: Netsplit over, joins: @Cairenn\|afk, Zor, kd3 ....`
`19:29.30`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`:p`
`19:29.45`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`don't care, I was still here, you guys went away, I welcomed you back when you returned`
`19:29.54`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`it's all about me, haven't you guys figured that out yet? :p`
`19:30.02`	`mikma`	`like ckk always says: NO U!`
`19:30.13`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`19:30.19`	`ccox`	`Of course, it's always about you dear.`
`19:30.31`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`hi ckknight :)`
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`19:48.37`	`Ose`	`meh`
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`20:03.45`	`Tuller_`	`hrm, say I wanted to actually open most of my mature addons up for development from other people`
`20:04.05`	`jnwhiteh`	`okay`
`20:04.22`	`Tuller_`	`i'm debating the best method for me to go about doing this :P`
`20:04.47`	`haste`	`documentation is a great start`
`20:05.38`	`jnwhiteh`	`i've tried everything, and no one ever wants to help`
`20:05.42`	`jnwhiteh`	`=(`
`20:06.06`	`haste`	`:V`
`20:08.09`	`jnwhiteh`	`I really want someone else working with me on PerfectRaid`
`20:08.13`	`jnwhiteh`	`and could use another on TomTom`
`20:08.14`	`jnwhiteh`	`but shrug`
`20:08.20`	`jnwhiteh`	`can't get anyone`
`20:10.48`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: get haste!`
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`20:12.05`	`foxlit`	`Hell is other people's coding style.`
`20:12.42`	`jnwhiteh`	`Nah, I love coding with other people`
`20:12.46`	`jnwhiteh`	`have so much fun with Sputnik`
`20:16.00`	`mikma`	`claddies coding is so clean it's almost easy to understand!`
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`20:23.49`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Against what?`
`20:23.49`	`\|Jelly\|`	`zomg!`
`20:23.49`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Against the Forums since its giving me errors`
`20:23.49`	`Shirik`	`mikma: It also has fun comments!`
`20:23.49`	`\|Jelly\|`	`orly`
`20:24.06`	`\|Jelly\|`	`they're not loading for me either, if it makes you feel any better`
`20:24.15`	`AbsolutRayne`	`yeah, I have this long post typed out for something in the Damage Dealing forums, and its like 'lolno'`
`20:24.28`	`\|Jelly\|`	`lowned`
`20:26.09`	`AbsolutRayne`	`oiasyasoiyaoisgyaoisg`
`20:30.12`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Naw`
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`20:57.55`	`ccox`	`sigh. Wowhead is hosting some ads that create pop-under windows in the browser.`
`20:58.15`	`haste`	`party poker =/`
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`20:58.40`	`ccox`	`even if the browser blocks them, the script they use sucks up CPU time`
`21:00.11`	`foxlit`	`blackhole the servers that serve those scripts?`
`21:01.05`	`ccox`	`I haven't dug into it enough to find them, just enough to identify why my browser used 200% CPU when I visit wowhead`
`21:03.23`	`Tekkub`	`make ssense to me, if the user is going to block your ad, PUNISH THEM`
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`21:18.29`	`kneeki`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:21.01`	`haste`	`/wave`
`21:25.34`	`Ose`	`gimme something to do on PTR`
`21:25.45`	`foxlit`	`solve world hunger.`
`21:26.36`	`Ose`	`well I am a mage...`
`21:26.53`	`Dagmar`	`So get that macro running`
`21:31.21`	`Ose`	`suddenly crusader bridenbard (or however it was spellt) isn't so far away from civillization after all...`
`21:38.13`	`Vilkku`	`if I have an event with args, and then in if event==blah then LolFunction() end`
`21:38.23`	`Vilkku`	`will LolFunction() be able to use the same args?`
`21:39.37`	`Iriel`	`if you pass the args to it`
`21:40.00`	`Iriel`	`function yourOnEvent(self, event, ...) if event == blah then LolFunction(...) end end`
`21:40.01`	`Iriel`	`for example`
`21:43.05`	`Shirik`	`Heh`
`21:43.28`	`Shirik`	`Someone got mad because they had no proof of what I said yesterday`
`21:43.37`	`Shirik`	`so they told me to make an addon that logs everything I say`
`21:43.42`	`Shirik`	`I gave them /script local f=CreateFrame"FRAME" f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self,evt,msg,usr) if usr=="Kimina" then TakeScreenshot() end end); f:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_GUILD");`
`21:44.30`	`Shirik`	`Now I have to question whether or not I should spam guild chat a little bit ^_^`
`21:44.36`	`Shirik`	`maybe during a boss fight`
`21:45.44`	`Shirik`	`ccox: At least it's not using nan% CPU`
`21:45.48`	`foxlit`	`http://pastey.net/109733 << the stack is invaluable.`
`21:46.12`	`Shirik`	`foxlit: ?`
`21:46.18`	`ccox`	`Shirik - no, I think they fixed that bug, and the negative CPU percentages`
`21:46.24`	`Shirik`	`nono, ccox`
`21:46.31`	`foxlit`	`Shirik: an error report.`
`21:46.38`	`Shirik`	`foxlit: I was commenting on the number of ?`
`21:46.44`	`foxlit`	`Indeed.`
`21:47.10`	`Shirik`	`ccox: My server the other day: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/58af307b9de175b44cdb25cf92a61842.png`
`21:47.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik: that is what you get for running Java`
`21:48.00`	`ccox`	`whoa - different kernel, same sorta bug`
`21:51.07`	`Shirik`	`ScytheBlade1: But JIRA is awesome`
`21:53.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik: you're forgetting - no.`
`21:53.26`	`Shirik`	`no?`
`21:53.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`=]`
`21:54.06`	`Hirsute-Home`	`So... My hunter is an engineer/skinner. I've stopped levelling my miner. I'm wondering how much I'll miss the .54% crit that I'll lose if I switch back to mining....`
`21:54.26`	`Hirsute-Home`	`So, how much of a difference does Master of Anatomy really make?`
`21:54.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`0.54% crit.`
`21:55.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(As a hunter don't you have piles of crit anyway?)`
`21:55.43`	`Hirsute-Home`	`I know, I don't think I'll miss it, I just hate giving up crit (OCD, I know)`
`21:55.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`heh`
`21:56.00`	`Hirsute-Home`	`Mining is so much more complimentary, and so much more profitable right now....`
`21:56.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Crit isn't all that great and I was running with something like 70% ;P`
`21:57.01`	`Syzgyn`	`Diaf, SBO`
`21:57.09`	`Hirsute-Home`	`And the early levelling will be nicer too, because the squirrels are so profitable right now.`
`21:57.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Syzgyn: ?`
`21:58.05`	`Syzgyn`	`70% crit`
`21:59.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`21:59.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`roll a mage, spec fire or ffb`
`21:59.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`enjoy the DPS spikes`
`21:59.43`	`mikma`	`ffb is just that good? :O`
`21:59.48`	`zenzelezz`	`the infamous Firefox Bolt owns`
`21:59.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No, it's just that terrible`
`21:59.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Spikey DPS is worthless`
`22:00.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Some fights I managed to pump out like 5k`
`22:00.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Others I couldn't break 2`
`22:00.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`...k. 2k.`
`22:00.18`	`Syzgyn`	`My mage is 74 right now`
`22:00.22`	`Syzgyn`	`no FFB yet :\`
`22:07.58`	`mikma`	`syzgyn: uh, oh, get http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12710-Wormhole.html !`
`22:08.09`	`Syzgyn`	`Lol`
`22:08.48`	`Syzgyn`	`I have all my portals on a mouseover bar with dominos :OP`
`22:09.43`	`mikma`	`domina`
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`22:10.19`	`Nizomi`	`god i love opie`
`22:10.56`	`Nizomi`	`best addon ever ^^`
`22:11.10`	`mikma`	`EVA?!?`
`22:11.31`	`Nizomi`	`mikma: no, i'm not talking about girls :p`
`22:13.17`	`mikma`	`so with the "immortal" achievement`
`22:13.24`	`mikma`	`you can't wipe and try again? :I`
`22:15.16`	`Codayus`	`mikma: Sure you can... ...next week.... :-)`
`22:15.31`	`mikma`	`codayus: hah`
`22:15.38`	`mikma`	`oh well`
`22:15.46`	`mikma`	`my wife's raid failed at KZ`
`22:15.51`	`Codayus`	`Ouch`
`22:15.55`	`mikma`	`someone pulled aggro from boss`
`22:16.01`	`Codayus`	`So close...`
`22:18.20`	`Nizomi`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAazuvb9bkU <- sad vid q.q i almost have to cry everytime i watch it xD`
`22:18.21`	`Shirik`	`I hate Microsoft Word SO MUCH`
`22:18.35`	`Shirik`	`How can "Paste" (as in cut->paste) cause something to be deleted during the paste`
`22:18.35`	`Shirik`	`seriously`
`22:19.08`	`mikma`	`shirik: ctrl+a + ctrl+v ftw`
`22:21.45`	`Dezzimal`	`Shirik: copied something too big`
`22:21.53`	`Dezzimal`	`I've had it happen with combatlogs before`
`22:22.04`	`mikma`	`shirik: is insert on? :D`
`22:23.57`	`Ose`	`http://www.darklegacycomics.com/index.html <3`
`22:25.03`	`Syzgyn`	`^^`
`22:26.26`	`mikma`	`:D`
`22:27.36`	`zenzelezz`	`http://s5.tinypic.com/2nlbjfl.jpg`
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`22:40.25`	`AbsolutRayne`	`\|Jelly\|: Ping`
`22:42.02`	`Nizomi`	`god`
`22:42.05`	`Nizomi`	`people are so stupid`
`22:42.20`	`AbsolutRayne`	`http://i41.tinypic.com/110hdva.jpg Thoughts on the Buff frame above the UF`
`22:42.21`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Anyone?`
`22:44.49`	`mikma`	`looks like a buff frame over a unitframe to me`
`22:46.47`	`Fisker-`	`i hate your ui`
`22:46.53`	`Dagmar`	`Looks like mainly epeen toys`
`22:47.06`	`Fisker-`	`and that font`
`22:47.21`	`mikma`	`grow up from the custom ui already!`
`22:47.26`	`Dagmar`	`Concentrated eyestrain`
`22:47.38`	`mikma`	`customizing ui = lame`
`22:47.53`	`mikma`	`losing settings because hdd explodes / you are an ass = priceless`
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`22:49.35`	`Dagmar`	`Why does the screen say "That ability requires combo points" multiple times? The answer is probably "because the combo points aren't anywhere you can see them through all the eyestrain"`
`22:50.02`	`Dagmar`	`You're way better off making the things that matter very, very visible, and pushing the things that don't matter in realtime to the edges.`
`22:50.05`	`mikma`	`you most likely see them`
`22:50.12`	`mikma`	`on the opposite side where the player uf is`
`22:50.18`	`mikma`	`but buttonsmashing is SO DAMN COOL!`
`22:50.55`	`mikma`	`die die die no matter you are already dead die`
`22:51.57`	`AbsolutRayne`	`I was pissed off during that raid`
`22:52.45`	`mikma`	`i would bw too if my ui would look like that`
`22:53.56`	`Dagmar`	`Many of those buffs should be just filtered out of the list`
`22:54.08`	`Dagmar`	`Arcane Brilliance on a rogue? Not even worth putting on the screen`
`22:54.09`	`AbsolutRayne`	`mikma: Are you done?`
`22:54.15`	`mikma`	`not yet`
`22:54.17`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Ok`
`22:54.21`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Ill just ignore you then`
`22:54.33`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Dagmar: Been working on Filters`
`22:55.25`	`Dagmar`	`You could maybe stand to move Omen closer to the center`
`22:55.52`	`Dagmar`	`If you're minding your threat closely, you'll be looking at omen a lot.`
`22:56.22`	`Dagmar`	`Only the mouse finds the corners easily. If your eyes have to travel from the middle to the far corner and back a lot, that's going to reduce your situational awareness`
`22:56.32`	`AbsolutRayne`	`I really mind it on my Tank, as DPS I could care less. :S If your tank cant hold threat, your DPS is balls off the wall insane, or the tank is godawful`
`22:56.52`	`Dagmar`	`Or you were just an idiot who wasn't watching the threat meter`
`22:57.03`	`Dagmar`	`Tanks can miss. They can have a bad run of hits. They can lag.`
`22:57.12`	`Corrodias`	`no. BLAME THE TANK.`
`22:57.35`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Its pretty hard to fail holding to an initial round of damage, especially with Tricks / MD on you`
`22:57.38`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Sorry`
`22:57.39`	`AbsolutRayne`	`:/`
`22:57.40`	`Dagmar`	`Being able to compensate when something OTHER than a faceroll happens is the difference between a geared player and a good player`
`22:58.29`	`Dagmar`	`Good players get through content in a short timespan without having to spend days getting squashed on the PTR to finally get it right.`
`22:58.31`	`Corrodias`	`adjust... my output? FOREIGN CONCEPT`
`22:59.26`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Sigh`
`22:59.28`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Whatevr`
`23:00.10`	`Dagmar`	`Take whatever approach you like, but my people don't have to blame the tank. We can compensate for when something goes wrong and recover.`
`23:00.36`	`Dezzimal`	`AbsolutAway: parried shield slam is enough`
`23:01.07`	`Dezzimal`	`I've yanked once and only once in an initial round of abilities, on malygos when the tank had a parried shield slam :/`
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`23:01.24`	`AbsolutAway`	`I have a main thats a tank, seriously`
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`23:01.31`	`AbsolutAway`	`Sorry I pulled your heartstrings so hard.`
`23:05.36`	`Dagmar`	`Doesn't bother me if you can't manage your aggro`
`23:05.48`	`Dagmar`	`...but if you're going to ignore the meter, then why the heck are you even running it`
`23:06.09`	`AbsolutAway`	`I didnt say I ignored it.`
`23:06.34`	`AbsolutAway`	`Just dont pay it too much mind in a fight. As HaT spec you dont pull threat anyway.`
`23:08.56`	`Shirik`	`bleh`
`23:09.05`	`Shirik`	`Do I want to apply to a job in Huntsville, AL?`
`23:09.24`	`Shirik`	`If I get the job, they'll get me a security clearance, but it's in AL...`
`23:09.24`	`foxlit`	`Yes, you do.`
`23:09.45`	`foxlit`	`Is that alaska or alabama?`
`23:09.54`	`Iriel`	`Living somewhere different is.. interesting, no matter what`
`23:09.56`	`Iriel`	`Alaska is AK`
`23:10.14`	`Shirik`	`Alabama`
`23:10.21`	`Dagmar`	`It's always good to be surrounded by rednecks on all sides.`
`23:10.29`	`Shirik`	`Though the project sounds interesting`
`23:11.03`	`Shirik`	`"This internship position will work in Huntsville, Alabama and will be supporting Software Engineering, software verification and Systems test for Integrated Battle Command System (IBCS) project. "`
`23:11.26`	`foxlit`	`- military applications`
`23:11.27`	`Iriel`	`Hm, "software verification and systems test" takes a special kind of person`
`23:11.28`	`foxlit`	`+ it probably won't work.`
`23:11.32`	`Iriel`	`though you might BE that kind of person`
`23:11.40`	`Shirik`	`what do you mean "special" >.>`
`23:11.42`	`Iriel`	`+ it's probably well-funded`
`23:11.52`	`Shirik`	`It's Boeing, I don't think they need to ask for money`
`23:11.54`	`Iriel`	`- if they annoy the wrong person politically it'll get cancelled with no notice`
`23:11.54`	`Shirik`	`they just get it anyway`
`23:12.44`	`Dagmar`	`White box and black box testers tend to be the "annoying, obsessive-compulsive" types`
`23:12.55`	`Dagmar`	`...although at Microsoft they seem to just be staying high all day.`
`23:13.00`	`Iriel`	`Shirik: Well I guess I should say "Really enjoying those tasks takes a special kind of person"`
`23:13.06`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`23:13.22`	`Shirik`	`Unfortunately, at this point, I don't have much choice in whether or not I enjoy the project`
`23:13.35`	`Iriel`	`I wouldn't say 'annoying', obsessive helps, compulsive is useful, imaginative (in perverse and pathalogical ways) is useful`
`23:13.37`	`Shirik`	`I need an internship, period, and Boeing is a well-known company`
`23:13.47`	`Iriel`	`Well then, sounds like you should go after it`
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`23:13.51`	`Iriel`	`Worst case you have experience`
`23:13.57`	`Iriel`	`best case you have more opportunities, AND experience`
`23:14.00`	`Shirik`	`However`
`23:14.06`	`Iriel`	`and lastly, you'll know if you like AL or not 8-)`
`23:14.07`	`Shirik`	`I do actually enjoy breaking things`
`23:14.21`	`Shirik`	`is why I'm lead of fault tolerance testing on our EcoCar project :P`
`23:14.30`	`Iriel`	`do you enjoy proving that things ARENT broken?`
`23:14.48`	`Shirik`	`I believe it was Strosoup that said it's futile to prove that things aren't broken`
`23:14.52`	`Shirik`	`and I jacked up his name`
`23:14.58`	`zenzelezz`	`who now?`
`23:15.09`	`Iriel`	`Bjarne, the lord almighty of C++`
`23:15.19`	`Dagmar`	`That explains a bit`
`23:15.20`	`zenzelezz`	`poor guy, people never get his name right`
`23:15.33`	`Iriel`	`he's very personable`
`23:15.46`	`Shirik`	`But, suffice to say, my school focuses a lot on testing and requirements traceability`
`23:15.52`	`Shirik`	`Given that we're an aeronautical school`
`23:15.54`	`Shirik`	`it's rather necessary`
`23:15.59`	`Iriel`	`yeah`
`23:16.17`	`Iriel`	`The pharmaceutical industry (where I started my professional life) is that way too`
`23:16.45`	`Shirik`	`You learn some interesting things about the aeronautical university`
`23:16.59`	`Shirik`	`Like their bastardized C/C++ which has no dynamic memory allocation`
`23:17.05`	`Shirik`	`(for critical systems)`
`23:17.10`	`Dagmar`	`Pharmaceutical companies don't like proving things aren't broken?>`
`23:17.10`	`Shirik`	`er`
`23:17.13`	`Shirik`	`s/university/industry/`
`23:17.16`	`Dagmar`	`I guess they leave it up to the lawyers`
`23:17.31`	`Iriel`	`Dagmar: Err, no, they docus on testing and requirements traceability`
`23:17.32`	`Shirik`	`And why the government loves Ada to death`
`23:17.41`	`Iriel`	`Dagmar: focus, even`
`23:17.55`	`Dagmar`	`Shirik: Probably because beating the programmers didn't teach them to count`
`23:18.12`	`Shirik`	`Ada is very very strict :)`
`23:18.16`	`foxlit`	`Shirik: stack handling in recursion?`
`23:18.18`	`Iriel`	`Dagmar: Basically if the FDA shows up for an audit (which they can do at any time without warning) and they dont think you did a good enough job, then they just shut you down until you prove otherwise.`
`23:18.44`	`Shirik`	`That's good though`
`23:18.47`	`Shirik`	`that's how it should be imo`
`23:18.56`	`Iriel`	`I dont disagree`
`23:19.09`	`Iriel`	`(And I tend to get on with people who enjoy testing)`
`23:19.41`	`Shirik`	`Ah, you should have seen what I did for my final project in Computer Architecture then :)`
`23:19.50`	`Shirik`	`The project itself was about 1000 lines of code`
`23:19.58`	`Shirik`	`The tests I wrote for it probably reached around 4000 :P`
`23:20.13`	`Shirik`	`As a result, I was the only person who got 100% ^_^`
`23:20.18`	`Shirik`	`Actually 105% because I did a little extra`
`23:20.21`	`Dagmar`	`Not bad`
`23:22.30`	`Iriel`	`A (related) aside, I hate interviewing people who have some interesting sounding project on their resume, but when you ask them about it they dont have anything to say.`
`23:22.39`	`Shirik`	`haha`
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`23:22.45`	`Shirik`	`that reminds me of a recent interview I had`
`23:22.56`	`Shirik`	`I walked out of it confused because we got to talking about something I worked on at Crayola`
`23:23.03`	`Shirik`	`and maybe 10% of the interview was about my skills, and 90% was that project`
`23:23.28`	`Iriel`	`If I was the interviewer that'd probably have been a good interview`
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`23:23.41`	`Shirik`	`Oh I think it was good :) I just thought it was a bit unusual`
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`23:23.48`	`Iriel`	`because your paper skills are far less important than what you can say about how you think, work, what you care about, etc`
`23:24.34`	`Iriel`	`Another thing that's a killer for me is "I want to try <technology X> but haven't found any jobs in it yet" - where <technology X> is something freely available.`
`23:24.49`	`Iriel`	`like OSGi`
`23:24.52`	`Iriel`	`or something`
`23:25.00`	`Shirik`	`ah`
`23:25.03`	`Shirik`	`yeah that's stupid :P`
`23:25.04`	`Iriel`	`I dont mind "but haven't had time"`
`23:25.09`	`Shirik`	`related note: I love OSGi now`
`23:25.15`	`Iriel`	`but the whole, "if i'm not paid for it I wont do it" - meh`
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`23:25.31`	`Iriel`	`Shirik: I ordered one of those "plug computers" when I saw it had an OSGI stack`
`23:25.41`	`Shirik`	`huh?`
`23:25.43`	`Iriel`	`Shirik: I dont know what i'll do with it , but the idea is nifty`
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`23:26.38`	`Iriel`	`http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp`
`23:27.00`	`Iriel`	`http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-22-sheevaplug-dev-kit.aspx`
`23:27.04`	`Iriel`	`the latter has more detail`
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`23:27.22`	`Shirik`	`that's pretty awesome`
`23:29.17`	`cbreak`	`sounds like a bad idea from a temperature standpoint`
`23:30.53`	`Iriel`	`cbreak: it's a low power device (they're talking about a normal draw in the region of 5w)`
`23:30.59`	`Iriel`	`cbreak: temperature shouldn't be a problem`
`23:31.25`	`cbreak`	`AC->DC conversion is inefficient, the power bricks here seem to always get hot`
`23:32.21`	`Iriel`	`I'll let you know if it gets hot when I get it`
`23:32.30`	`Tem`	`jaxdahl, pig?`
`23:32.32`	`Tem`	`ping*`
`23:32.39`	`Tem`	`I think my keyboard is dying`
`23:32.43`	`Iriel`	`I think it's your fingers`
`23:32.48`	`Iriel`	`or brain`
`23:32.49`	`Tem`	`keys don't work periodically`
`23:32.58`	`Iriel`	`maybe you just think you're hitting them?`
`23:33.05`	`Tem`	`at first I thought the batteries were just going dead`
`23:33.09`	`Iriel`	`perhaps you're having selective memory loss about not pressing the keys?`
`23:33.13`	`Iriel`	`Oh dear, wireless keyboard.`
`23:33.15`	`Iriel`	`yuck.`
`23:33.16`	`Tem`	`but I just put new ones the other day`
`23:33.20`	`cbreak`	`there was a nice virus that randomly changed 10% of the key strokes people typed`
`23:33.40`	`Tem`	`that's awsome, cg`
`23:33.42`	`Tem`	`cbreak,`
`23:33.44`	`Tem`	`sigh`
`23:33.50`	`Tem`	`that was my fingers`
`23:34.07`	`Iriel`	`I remember an awesome driver bug (forget if it was on a linux or windows platform) that used a LIFO instead of FIFO buffer for keyboard input.`
`23:34.38`	`cbreak`	`that sucks for fast typers :)`
`23:36.41`	`Shirik`	`cbreak: AC->DC conversion isn't as hard as you make it sound`
`23:37.02`	`Shirik`	`In its simplest form, it's just 4 diodes`
`23:37.22`	`cbreak`	`I dont say it's hard. I say it's inefficient :)`
`23:37.31`	`cbreak`	`with 4 diodes you get very uneven current`
`23:37.33`	`Shirik`	`But that's not going to generate any heat`
`23:37.40`	`Shirik`	`no, you get uneven voltage`
`23:37.50`	`cbreak`	`... details... I am bad at EE :/`
`23:38.18`	`Lukian`	`<Shirik> In its simplest form, it's just 4 dildoes`
`23:38.43`	`Shirik`	`The hard part is regulating the voltage, but since they aren't following a standard form factor here they can get away with some ripple voltage, which can be done as simply as using a capacitor. They probably haven't, and I will admit there is probably a decent amount of heat generated`
`23:38.49`	`Shirik`	`But it's not nearly as bad as you make it sound :)`
`23:39.05`	`Shirik`	`That thing is certainly bigger than your average laptop power supply`
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`23:39.36`	`cbreak`	`If I would use that thing as file server, I'd make daily backups anyway...`
`23:39.44`	`Shirik`	`Well that's good practice anyway :P`
`23:40.02`	`cbreak`	`without doubt.`
`23:40.12`	`Hjalte`	`irc.quakenet.org/worldofraids`
`23:40.15`	`Hjalte`	`meh`
`23:40.19`	`Hjalte`	`that didn't work`
`23:43.14`	`cbreak`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`23:47.22`	`Hjalte`	`Yeah, that'd work a lot better. I just hadn't realised I was in a channel when I posted that :)`

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