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| 00:13.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: >.> the latest pb4 build is popping up all kinds of crazy unit frames on my screen.. |
| 00:13.21 | ckknight | ...do you touch yourself at night? |
| 00:13.25 | ckknight | that can cause issues. |
| 00:13.57 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. could be |
| 00:16.30 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh, i figured it out, party tot somehow got enabled.. or added, or something |
| 00:17.05 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_030709_015846.jpg -> http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_030709_020032.jpg |
| 00:17.19 | mikma | hopefully it'll work when people learn new spells heh |
| 00:19.17 | Shirik | pvp priest: 40 stam or 30 SP to bracers? |
| 00:19.27 | Shirik | SP is currently 1536 in pvp gear |
| 00:19.42 | Shirik | 17960 HP unbuffed |
| 00:20.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd stay sta, but i'm a pvp-noob |
| 00:20.09 | mikma | sta :P |
| 00:20.09 | Shirik | the 40 stam buff is expensive :( |
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| 00:20.38 | NightHawkTheSane | and? |
| 00:22.08 | |Jelly| | man up son |
| 00:25.33 | Stanzilla | Shirik: stam |
| 00:25.54 | Shirik | but is so expensive T_T |
| 00:25.58 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
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| 00:27.38 | |Jelly| | yay. combat log is broken again. |
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| 00:32.23 | Tuller | hrm...what to do |
| 00:35.53 | |Jelly| | completely log out and if that doesn't work, kill config.wtf |
| 00:35.59 | |Jelly| | i wanna know what's happening to cause it |
| 00:36.25 | Pytlask | how's it breaking? |
| 00:36.51 | mikma | reboot the game |
| 00:36.57 | mikma | that helps on me |
| 00:37.14 | mikma | plain logout -> login wont do |
| 00:37.17 | |Jelly| | any idea the cause? |
| 00:37.56 | mikma | none. but its a known bug that happens every now ans then |
| 00:38.18 | mikma | on me it stopped working 2 times in a row in pvp battleground, twice in same day |
| 00:38.25 | |Jelly| | :( |
| 00:41.44 | |Jelly| | restart did fix it though |
| 00:44.44 | mikma | lolz, "waiter" is prolly a good name for tooltip addon |
| 00:44.54 | mikma | you gice thwm tip! .. got it? |
| 00:45.32 | ckknight | psh |
| 00:45.37 | ckknight | he doesn't deserve a tip |
| 00:45.42 | ckknight | he didn't fill my water all meal! |
| 00:46.11 | ckknight | I need to revamp CowTip one of these days (code-wise, not feature or interface-wise) |
| 00:46.12 | ckknight | le sigh |
| 00:46.16 | mikma | apparently i also cant type tonight |
| 00:47.19 | mikma | heres a motivation for you: try making it rule like tinytip, not suck like cowtip does now! |
| 00:47.38 | mikma | options and configurations are for losers. |
| 00:47.41 | ckknight | meh, I mostly just want to get the code more readable and maintainable |
| 00:47.48 | ckknight | and easier to configure |
| 00:49.43 | mikma | do it like haste does with oUF, people can create their own look and share them |
| 00:50.11 | ckknight | yea, that'd be nice |
| 00:50.12 | mikma | "one gui to configure them all" is so discord-mod =/ |
| 00:50.17 | ckknight | I plan to do something for that with PB4 |
| 00:50.20 | foxlit | data-based configuration > code-based configuration |
| 00:50.33 | ckknight | foxlit: I like it when data = code |
| 00:50.36 | ckknight | <.< |
| 00:50.37 | ckknight | >.> |
| 00:51.35 | ckknight | I actually plan to work on it this weekend, |Jelly| |
| 00:51.45 | ckknight | my goal is to have raid frames by Sunday |
| 00:51.51 | |Jelly| | yay! :) |
| 00:51.54 | ckknight | I'll be doing it in a very flexible way |
| 00:52.55 | mikma | foxlit: yo! |
| 00:53.03 | foxlit | mikma: yin! |
| 00:53.24 | mikma | foxlit: "Leatherworking drums." n_ kinda useless now with wrath? |
| 00:53.33 | foxlit | Indeed. |
| 00:53.57 | mikma | huh..... n_ = <- |
| 00:54.11 | mikma | missed chr and pressed shift instead! whee |
| 00:54.13 | foxlit | It's only mentioned in the textual description. |
| 00:54.40 | mikma | foxlit: i hope you have totems handled! |
| 00:55.03 | foxlit | I don't have a high-level shaman, so no |
| 00:55.17 | foxlit | You can easily create your own ring, though. Drag-and-drop, baby! |
| 00:55.18 | mikma | wanna have the totemlist? =/ |
| 00:55.39 | foxlit | (it's one of those data-based configuration things) |
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| 00:56.59 | foxlit | There's a list of bundled rings on http://go-hero.net/opie/about |
| 00:57.00 | mikma | foxlit: http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=mikma&path=%2FPoleVault%2FPoleVault.lua |
| 00:57.16 | mikma | there all spellID's of totems listed |
| 00:58.37 | foxlit | local RK = OneRingLib.RingKeeper; for rid, rcnt in pairs(Totems) do RK:AddRing("Totem" .. rid, rcnt); end |
| 00:58.43 | foxlit | That'd probably work :P |
| 00:59.52 | mikma | you should add the totems in, then i can force opie on my wife and i dont have to update my totem addon so she can use it |
| 01:00.04 | mikma | she is demanding customer... |
| 01:00.40 | foxlit | You can force opie on your wife anyway -- she would just have to drop a couple of totems into a configuration dialog. |
| 01:01.34 | mikma | that she wont do =/ even i wouldnt do that ^^ |
| 01:01.44 | foxlit | Meh, why not? |
| 01:02.19 | mikma | too much bloody work! |
| 01:02.32 | foxlit | ~60 seconds? |
| 01:02.34 | mikma | but if they would be automatically in! |
| 01:02.45 | mikma | other than she would use it as totem addon |
| 01:03.17 | mikma | the idea is brilliant and usa is simple, suitable for totems. |
| 01:03.24 | mikma | usa=use |
| 01:03.33 | mikma | and, usa is simple |
| 01:04.11 | Tekkub | bigwigs is still ace2? |
| 01:04.14 | Tekkub | blum |
| 01:04.24 | mikma | tekkub: yea =( |
| 01:04.46 | Tekkub | I wonder if there's even much point to the core anymore |
| 01:04.47 | mikma | i was looking which one to use, bigwigs or dbm, then i picked dbm |
| 01:04.55 | Tekkub | addonloader + mob-specific addons |
| 01:05.11 | foxlit | Eurgh |
| 01:05.28 | foxlit | If I was in the market for a boss mod, I'd want something monolithic |
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| 01:05.38 | Tekkub | yes but it's not you |
| 01:05.44 | Tekkub | and I don't like monolithic |
| 01:05.50 | foxlit | You are wrong (tm) |
| 01:05.59 | Tekkub | IMMUNE |
| 01:06.03 | mikma | oh i know what happens |
| 01:06.16 | mikma | foxlit pushes tek into rewriting bigwigs |
| 01:06.18 | foxlit | Thing is, there are about, what, 7 mechanics that you'd have to keep track of in a bossmod? |
| 01:06.20 | mikma | go go |
| 01:06.28 | Tekkub | I wouldn't do it because of him :P |
| 01:06.46 | mikma | tekkub: do it because current one sucks? =D |
| 01:06.57 | foxlit | It'd be relatively simple to write a core that'd handle all of them without being bloated. |
| 01:07.00 | Tekkub | I'll do it cause of Ace2 |
| 01:07.04 | mikma | FOR THE CHIKDREN OF THE WORLD! and michael jackson. |
| 01:07.09 | Tekkub | but I'll probably redesign everything :P |
| 01:07.12 | foxlit | It'd be relatively simple to have a compact definition format that'd make storing EVERY BLOODY ENCOUNTER DATA simple. |
| 01:07.46 | Tekkub | oh right, core managed the bars and detecting a boss |
| 01:07.50 | Tekkub | meh |
| 01:07.54 | Tekkub | bars |
| 01:07.57 | Tekkub | love em |
| 01:07.58 | Adys | i dont remember if i linked that |
| 01:07.58 | Tekkub | hate em |
| 01:07.59 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-BZfFakpzc |
| 01:08.01 | mikma | bigwigs has only 1 advantage over dbm in naxx |
| 01:08.14 | Tekkub | 2 |
| 01:08.18 | foxlit | The only actual implementation that's semi-complex in this design is the UI. |
| 01:08.27 | mikma | last boss -> shows in a box if you / someone is too close to another |
| 01:08.37 | Tekkub | 2) tekkub |
| 01:09.11 | mikma | tekkub: your input has faded long time ago! the memory lives on =/ |
| 01:09.27 | Tekkub | there many fights with multiple simultaneous timers? |
| 01:09.38 | Tekkub | I could just use the built in stopwatch to display |
| 01:09.44 | Shirik | I got stuck in the dalaran well |
| 01:09.45 | Shirik | again. |
| 01:09.57 | mikma | tekkub: stopwatch = <3 |
| 01:10.02 | foxlit | Shirik: relog |
| 01:10.20 | foxlit | That's very likely a client issue rather than a server one. |
| 01:10.25 | mikma | ./script StopwatchTicker.timer = 900 |
| 01:10.39 | mikma | and so on... |
| 01:10.45 | Tekkub | yea that could probably work |
| 01:10.51 | Tekkub | add a littote label to it |
| 01:11.00 | Tekkub | little even |
| 01:11.03 | mikma | tekkub: i am using it in Wintergrasp Timer Light |
| 01:11.17 | Tekkub | your addon is DOOOOMED |
| 01:11.27 | Tekkub | doooooooOOOOOOOOoooooomey dooom doom doom! |
| 01:11.32 | mikma | oh shi... |
| 01:12.13 | mikma | but hey! |
| 01:12.24 | mikma | i dont actually care because of 3.1.0! |
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| 01:13.03 | Tekkub | are they only adding the timer, or they also putting it on a consistent schedule? |
| 01:13.44 | mikma | afaik, only the GetWintergraspStart() or whattehell the function is called |
| 01:14.35 | mikma | tekkub: http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=mikma&path=%2FWintergraspTimerLight%2FWintergraspTimerLight.lua < see function WG.StartTimer(arg1) =) it takes seconds in etc |
| 01:15.07 | Tekkub | da |
| 01:16.07 | mikma | tekkub: http://wowprogramming.com/misc/snippets/Stopwatch =) |
| 01:16.39 | Shirik | I'm confused to hell |
| 01:16.43 | mikma | oh! more snippets added |
| 01:16.53 | Shirik | why does the arena vendor say Hateful Gladiator Leggings requires 1675 arena rating |
| 01:16.54 | Tekkub | it would help if I were familiar with the current bosses |
| 01:17.03 | Shirik | and then the emblem of valor vendor says no rating required |
| 01:17.05 | Tekkub | because he hates you |
| 01:17.23 | foxlit | Shirik: the emblem variant is rating-free. |
| 01:17.29 | Shirik | but like |
| 01:17.32 | Shirik | I linked both of them to mysef |
| 01:17.38 | Shirik | and all of a sudden the rating requirement disappeared |
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| 01:19.49 | foxlit | Mhm. |
| 01:20.03 | foxlit | Actually, that's somewhat interesting -- it could be that there isn't a rating requirement on the items |
| 01:20.13 | foxlit | But rather a rating requirement on the ability to purchase the items from that vendor |
| 01:20.27 | Shirik | hm that makes sense |
| 01:22.08 | mikma | tekkub: i would just check how dbm catches them hehe |
| 01:23.20 | devZero | anyone here familiar w/ how to use SetValue in Portfolio? |
| 01:23.49 | devZero | Basically, I'm trying to set some initial defaults for the addon, and have them also reflected in the configuraiton gui |
| 01:24.02 | mikma | foxlit: added the totems in yet? ;) |
| 01:24.22 | foxlit | mikma: no. I don't plan to; the configuration dialogs work and are there for a reason. |
| 01:24.36 | devZero | I tried just setting them in the Saved Variable at load, but it doesn't seem to do the trick |
| 01:24.40 | mikma | foxlit: you really should, trust me.. |
| 01:26.15 | mikma | roll a shaman and be horrified, then you'll understand why i'm asking this =) |
| 01:26.32 | mikma | the other totem-addons are quite horrible |
| 01:26.34 | foxlit | Have a 40 shaman. Generally not horrified. |
| 01:27.03 | mikma | you are missing alot of totems =/ |
| 01:27.26 | foxlit | I'm probably missing a fair amount of abilities rather than totems |
| 01:27.35 | foxlit | Generally, totems seem to compress well to a macro per school. |
| 01:28.08 | mikma | i wish it would be that easy, really =( |
| 01:28.11 | foxlit | But again, only level 40 :) |
| 01:28.29 | mikma | all the cleansing totems, tremor, eww, ewwwww |
| 01:28.53 | foxlit | But anyway, it'll literary take you under a minute to create a ring with precisely the totems you want, in precisely the order you want. |
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| 01:29.54 | mikma | foxlit: actually if you mean drag & drop from spellbook... you are horribly wrong |
| 01:30.07 | mikma | the totems arent sorted there in any way |
| 01:30.07 | foxlit | I do. |
| 01:30.36 | foxlit | I was under the impression that the spellbook itself is sorted alphabetically per school. |
| 01:30.42 | mikma | 4 types of totems, whacked all in 3 different tabs |
| 01:31.18 | mikma | nope =/ just enchancement/elemental/restoration |
| 01:31.46 | mikma | whixh is absolutely stupid for totems, hence the totem-hell |
| 01:32.20 | foxlit | For bonus points, you can find a shaman who already set up those rings in some public channel and ask them to share their setup with you :) |
| 01:32.21 | Tekkub | so if I rewrite BW, there's a very important first step |
| 01:32.22 | mikma | foxlit: http://wow.reaktio.net/lol/WoWScrnShot_120908_033420.jpg (dont mind the chat lol, see bottomleft) |
| 01:32.24 | Tekkub | I need a nem |
| 01:32.27 | Tekkub | name even |
| 01:32.47 | Stanzilla | TrimmedWigs |
| 01:32.48 | mikma | tekkub: OhShi |
| 01:33.06 | mikma | sounds japanese |
| 01:33.15 | Tekkub | Shimatta it is |
| 01:33.24 | mikma | Donald Trump |
| 01:33.32 | Tekkub | Mudadah? |
| 01:33.37 | mikma | Bruce Springsteen |
| 01:33.57 | foxlit | I'm surprised anyone would actually need BW, though. |
| 01:34.02 | mikma | or who the hell was the boss lol |
| 01:34.21 | mikma | foxlit: its priceless in thaddius |
| 01:34.22 | foxlit | Blizzard has been IN YOUR FACE with warnings of impending doom since TBC |
| 01:34.23 | Tekkub | I doubt it's much of a need, aye, but timers are still handy |
| 01:34.29 | Tekkub | and I could do it oh so tiny |
| 01:34.54 | mikma | thaddius and OS are raidkillers |
| 01:35.06 | foxlit | What does it do on thaddius? |
| 01:35.07 | mikma | polarity switch and flame wall |
| 01:35.09 | Tekkub | frogger |
| 01:35.20 | foxlit | There's a shout for flame wall. |
| 01:35.22 | Tekkub | first time through that last night and I'll say, bullshit |
| 01:35.37 | Tekkub | I ran right between them each time and they killed me |
| 01:35.40 | mikma | foxlit: try looking at then as healer, i dare you! |
| 01:35.48 | foxlit | Don't LOOK at it. |
| 01:35.55 | foxlit | LISTEN for it :) |
| 01:36.18 | mikma | uh, listen to yourself now! |
| 01:36.28 | mikma | ventrilo, retards, music |
| 01:36.42 | mikma | which one do people listen reallh often while playing? |
| 01:36.50 | Gnarfoz | all 3 at once |
| 01:37.02 | foxlit | "Such flammable little insects...." is hard to miss :) |
| 01:37.06 | mikma | which one of those will conpletely step over the gamesounds? |
| 01:37.09 | Tekkub | that's only two things |
| 01:37.18 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: quite easy, actually ;D |
| 01:37.18 | foxlit | Meh, vent should be quiet. |
| 01:37.25 | Gnarfoz | mikma: none |
| 01:37.43 | mikma | its easy to miss, i always do so damnit |
| 01:37.43 | Gnarfoz | because you could actually adjust volume settings to make sense :> |
| 01:38.03 | foxlit | If anything, I always miss the BW/DBM warnings |
| 01:38.10 | foxlit | AND THEIR BLOODY /rw SPAM HAS TO DIE. |
| 01:38.13 | foxlit | IN A FIRE. |
| 01:38.17 | mikma | gnarfoz: because of retards i nowadays trust what i see, not what i hear =D |
| 01:38.33 | Tekkub | I never wanted BW to send messages |
| 01:38.38 | mikma | foxlit: tentacle rape! pleasure! |
| 01:38.50 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't, by default, does it? |
| 01:38.53 | Tekkub | tentacle rape was the exception :) |
| 01:39.07 | Tekkub | I didn't want an option at all |
| 01:39.18 | Tekkub | I wanted that to stay a totally separate addon |
| 01:39.25 | mikma | oh lord the whining about that one |
| 01:39.40 | mikma | so, so damn brilliant and yet people whined |
| 01:39.41 | Tekkub | we need new tentacle rape in ulduar |
| 01:40.00 | durcyn | kologarn fist is pretty close |
| 01:40.14 | mikma | fisting incoming! enjoy! |
| 01:40.27 | foxlit | Thing is, most timers are only of interest to a small faction of the raid. |
| 01:40.29 | mikma | why can i see that so clearly niw? =D |
| 01:40.34 | Tekkub | fisting incoming, relax and push out |
| 01:40.58 | foxlit | Not one DPS class cares if the Shear cooldown is up in 5 seconds. |
| 01:41.11 | Tekkub | exactly, which is why I didn't want broadcasts |
| 01:41.21 | mikma | tekkub: tekRaidAid |
| 01:41.24 | Tekkub | you manage your own settings and disable the shit you don't care about |
| 01:41.40 | foxlit | +1 for "the shit you don't care about disables itself" |
| 01:41.41 | mikma | broadcasts / spams are too much |
| 01:41.48 | mikma | local help is the best |
| 01:42.04 | Tekkub | yea that's unnecessary code |
| 01:42.12 | Tekkub | trying to figure out the player's role |
| 01:42.20 | Tekkub | ESPECIALLY with dual spec |
| 01:42.56 | foxlit | It's code that provides functionality. |
| 01:43.26 | foxlit | The entire addon is unnecessary to me. It might as well be convenient. |
| 01:43.45 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/pvp/WoWScrnShot_020609_012047.jpg |
| 01:43.56 | Tekkub | if it's unnecessary, then you really don't get to suggest features |
| 01:44.06 | mikma | i've always trusted what i see more than i hear |
| 01:44.27 | mikma | hence the big icons "bone armor gone. minion dead" ... |
| 01:44.44 | foxlit | I just assume bone armor is gone. |
| 01:44.52 | foxlit | Then pop it if I think I need it. |
| 01:45.05 | Tekkub | Cork ^^ |
| 01:45.33 | foxlit | fail, Tekkub, fail. |
| 01:45.38 | foxlit | Not even a screenshot :/ |
| 01:45.46 | Tekkub | fuck off? |
| 01:45.56 | Tekkub | it's a tooltip, there you go, screenshot |
| 01:46.03 | mikma | tekkub: oh, fix the boneshield in cork ;) |
| 01:46.12 | Tekkub | not a DK ^^ |
| 01:46.39 | foxlit | Perhaps you should mention that in the description. :) |
| 01:46.43 | mikma | well the bug is simple: whine is up eventho bs is not usable yet =) |
| 01:46.55 | Tekkub | perhaps you should install it or move on |
| 01:47.21 | foxlit | Moving on, then. |
| 01:47.26 | Tekkub | thank you |
| 01:48.04 | mikma | tekkub: Cork, i has it: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_030709_020032.jpg |
| 01:48.19 | Tekkub | da |
| 01:48.30 | Tekkub | and yet they want a SS of that shit |
| 01:48.45 | mikma | well theres a ss of unlocked cork! |
| 01:50.23 | foxlit | If I haven't moved on, I might've suggested that I can't find Cork in that screenshot. |
| 01:50.36 | Tekkub | my point exactly |
| 01:50.59 | mikma | you cant find it? thats because its working as intended hahaha |
| 01:51.37 | foxlit | So what's a "reminder"? |
| 01:51.56 | mikma | also, glasses might be good if you cant see the unlocked Cork in the ss! |
| 01:52.25 | foxlit | That or sleep. Probably sleep :) |
| 01:54.17 | devZero | hey, if on the first line of my addon code in the first file, I have local var = 1;, I should be able to access var through out my entire addon, correct? or do I need to set this to be global? |
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| 01:54.33 | |Jelly| | [P] [Parally]: y u bg q then ... /facepdesk |
| 01:54.43 | mikma | tekkub: actually... there might be couple of things the new DonaltTrump might need to broadcast, like the hp of the 2 adds before thaddius (they need to die at the same time) |
| 01:55.02 | mikma | tekkub: also maybe the health od 4 horseman... not sure =/ |
| 01:55.44 | Shirik | |Jelly|: What's a facepdesk? |
| 01:55.54 | mikma | Facepalmdesk? |
| 01:56.14 | |Jelly| | Yes. |
| 01:57.18 | mikma | tekkub: but the broadcasting = SendAddonMessage("loladdon",the np goes here), not anything like /rw OMFG HE HAS N+1 HP! |
| 01:57.48 | mikma | np=hp... stupid tiny keyboard |
| 01:58.43 | Tekkub | yea I have no plans for sync at this point |
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| 02:00.51 | mikma | well, thats kinda important aspect of thaddius fight hehe |
| 02:01.07 | devZero | can you not set an addon local variable across files? |
| 02:01.08 | mikma | killing monkeys at the same time = good |
| 02:01.11 | devZero | that seems odd to me |
| 02:01.24 | devZero | I want my variable to be local to the addon, but not global to the client |
| 02:01.25 | mikma | devzero: no, you cant |
| 02:01.31 | Iriel | devZero: Local is lexically local, i..e from the point of declaration to the end of the block |
| 02:01.35 | Iriel | Well, you have two choices |
| 02:01.42 | Iriel | Put the whole addon in one file |
| 02:02.12 | Iriel | or have your addon's first file put a table into a global, have each file grab a reference, and the last file nil the global |
| 02:02.24 | Tekkub | * |
| 02:02.27 | Tekkub | ^ |
| 02:02.34 | devZero | k, thanks |
| 02:02.41 | Iriel | There's at least one proposal into the UI folks for support for a 'ui private table' but it's not a priority and may never happen 8-) |
| 02:03.17 | Iriel | That should read "addon private table" |
| 02:03.21 | mikma | what about the 'ui private icecream'?!? |
| 02:03.29 | Iriel | Mmmm. ice cream |
| 02:03.35 | Tekkub | seems mostly unneeded to me |
| 02:03.40 | Iriel | Speaking of ice cream, is there anything tasty in today's PTR patch? |
| 02:03.43 | Tekkub | it's not hard to keep you shit private |
| 02:03.56 | Tekkub | B&J's Cinnamon Bun |
| 02:04.10 | mikma | omnom |
| 02:04.44 | mikma | and change the bun to rum, you'll get a christmas icecream! |
| 02:05.42 | devZero | is it more proper to access a global variable by using _G['var'] or just setting var without local? |
| 02:05.54 | devZero | or does it even matter, and I'm just looking to deep into it |
| 02:06.31 | Iriel | just use the name |
| 02:06.53 | Iriel | the _G syntax is really only useful for cases where you've changed the current global environment, or you're dynamically picking variable names |
| 02:07.11 | devZero | gotcha, thanks |
| 02:07.35 | Iriel | Having said that, some folks who write addons with LOTS of symbols and want them all to be local, use _G.XYZ just to be explicit, but there are better ways to handle it IMHO. |
| 02:08.42 | Tekkub | _G is good for one thing, getglobal :P |
| 02:08.50 | mikma | hah |
| 02:09.01 | Tekkub | _G.XYZ optimizers are just overoptimizing |
| 02:09.28 | Iriel | Underoptimizing |
| 02:09.29 | Tekkub | it's just like packratting, you need to learn to control it |
| 02:09.49 | Tekkub | not wasting tables, good optimisation |
| 02:09.52 | Iriel | Ooh, the new secure templates code is in the PTR |
| 02:09.59 | Tekkub | using single-letter variables, bad |
| 02:10.11 | Tekkub | what does it break now... |
| 02:10.17 | Iriel | OnShow/OnHide are back |
| 02:10.20 | Tekkub | *rewrites tekpopbar AGAIN* |
| 02:10.24 | Iriel | There's a Hover Driver |
| 02:10.35 | Iriel | for automatically hiding stuff when the mouse leaves (after a configurable delay) |
| 02:10.37 | mikma | ho..what? |
| 02:10.42 | Tekkub | s/r D/r Car D/ |
| 02:10.45 | Iriel | the SetUpAnimation is gone |
| 02:11.03 | Tekkub | so yup, I'm rewriting popbar once more |
| 02:11.15 | foxlit | :IsShown()? |
| 02:11.17 | Tekkub | I'm waiting till 3.1 is almost live to do it |
| 02:11.26 | mikma | Sneeds more popbar", famous last words |
| 02:11.40 | Iriel | foxlit: Most of those are back |
| 02:11.51 | mikma | "needs* oh ffs |
| 02:12.39 | Tekkub | sneeds was more memorable |
| 02:13.04 | Iriel | I plan on updating my document at some point, hopefully before 3.1 go-live |
| 02:13.11 | mikma | sneeds longer fingernails to type with less errors |
| 02:13.26 | Tekkub | <3 fingernails |
| 02:13.37 | Tekkub | I miss good back scratching |
| 02:13.41 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:13.47 | foxlit | Well, it'll be interesting to look at when wowcompares updates |
| 02:14.05 | Tekkub | or you could just use github :P |
| 02:14.16 | foxlit | I'd have to bookmark that :) |
| 02:14.16 | Tekkub | granted then you have to read the diff locally |
| 02:14.30 | mikma | tithub |
| 02:14.34 | foxlit | or not. awesomebar strikes again. |
| 02:24.00 | mikma | lol lol lol |
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| 02:36.35 | mikma | http://www.wowwiki.com/Wind-Up_Train_Wrecker |
| 02:36.37 | mikma | hahahahaha |
| 02:36.50 | Tekkub | I am so buying one |
| 02:37.17 | kd3 | whee. new ptr build while I was at work |
| 02:37.19 | kd3 | fun stuff |
| 02:37.28 | Tekkub | fail |
| 02:37.35 | Tekkub | faild3 |
| 02:37.58 | kd3 | maybe I should go nuts and write some kind of cron job that checks for a new build and fires off an sms... |
| 02:38.20 | mikma | hah |
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| 02:42.11 | Shirik | Any mac OS users around? Does Mac's JRE support Java web start? |
| 02:42.22 | Shirik | Iriel: ping |
| 02:46.40 | Iriel | Shirik: yes it does |
| 02:46.46 | Shirik | yay |
| 02:48.43 | Iriel | only 1.5, by default |
| 02:51.42 | Shirik | really? |
| 02:51.49 | Shirik | I thought JWS was released starting in 1.6 |
| 02:51.55 | Iriel | Err.. no 8-) |
| 02:51.58 | Shirik | oh :P |
| 02:52.01 | Iriel | it's been around for quite a while |
| 02:52.30 | Tuller | I think I remember it from high school |
| 02:52.40 | Shirik | I remember applets from high school |
| 02:52.41 | Shirik | not JWS |
| 02:53.21 | Tuller | "Sun introduced version 1.0 of Web Start in March 2001" |
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| 03:09.26 | End | oh, I see how they changed the brewfest achievement |
| 03:09.44 | End | they made just starting brew of the month the required part |
| 03:09.55 | NightHawkTheSane | <-- sad panda-hawk |
| 03:10.17 | NightHawkTheSane | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3223/2436578937_33385b967c_o.jpg |
| 03:11.09 | Xinhuan | hmm good, the new PTR build doesn't seem to have broken my popbar addon |
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| 03:20.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i really do not like the reload/stop/status indicator in safari 4 >< |
| 03:24.56 | Aqua | ^ agreed |
| 03:28.43 | Aqua | don't laugh but i actually like ie 8 if it wasn't going to be such a security issue |
| 03:30.10 | ZorbaBeta | end, oh hey, did they actually change that achievement finally? |
| 03:30.36 | End | yeah |
| 03:30.57 | ZorbaBeta | excellent |
| 03:31.11 | ZorbaBeta | and I guess they changed it in exactly the way that I always said they would eventually, too :P |
| 03:31.27 | Xinhuan | achievement? |
| 03:31.36 | End | brewmaster now requires "Brew of the Month" (which is just doing the quest turn-in) and "Brew of the Year" is just an unrequired achievement |
| 03:32.31 | Stanzilla | they added icons to the quest tracking frame? :O |
| 03:32.44 | Tekkub | they dun did? |
| 03:32.54 | kd3 | last build, but ya |
| 03:33.01 | Stanzilla | I dont remeber having an addon for that |
| 03:33.04 | Stanzilla | so they must have :P |
| 03:33.25 | kd3 | you get a quest that says 'use this axe to chop down some trees' and the tracking frame will pop up that axe's icon |
| 03:33.34 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 03:33.42 | Tekkub | oh neat |
| 03:33.50 | Tekkub | doubt you can click to use though? |
| 03:33.59 | Stanzilla | I just tried |
| 03:34.02 | kd3 | you can |
| 03:34.04 | kd3 | it works just fine |
| 03:34.09 | Torhal | Is it just me, or has Blizzard really ramped up their popular addon scoping lately? |
| 03:34.09 | Stanzilla | gave me an error about dominos tainting :P |
| 03:34.14 | Tekkub | ZOOT! |
| 03:34.25 | Tekkub | I WILL NOW HAVE ALL YOUR BUTTBABIES |
| 03:34.42 | Tekkub | no more 5 min of "I can't find it I don't have it" |
| 03:34.47 | kd3 | oh boo, they reverted the inline function calls in xml |
| 03:34.58 | ZorbaBeta | nice :D |
| 03:35.01 | Tekkub | it's pure fail when I have to tell my partner /use item:12345 |
| 03:35.21 | kd3 | <onclick function=""/> -> <onclick> foo()</onclick> |
| 03:35.23 | kd3 | :( |
| 03:35.29 | Torhal | Tekkub: You sure it isn't "unadulterated fail"? |
| 03:35.43 | Tekkub | no I support adulteration |
| 03:35.53 | Tekkub | that does mean what I think it does right |
| 03:35.54 | Tekkub | ? |
| 03:35.56 | Tekkub | *googles* |
| 03:36.01 | Torhal | Well, you said "pure", so I figured I'd ask for specifics. |
| 03:36.03 | kd3 | adultery != adulteration |
| 03:36.21 | Tekkub | that's the one |
| 03:36.31 | Tekkub | thank you to get out of my defucktive brain |
| 03:36.32 | Torhal | <-- Blue Moon + Ancient Age + Coca-Cola. |
| 03:37.25 | Tekkub | I have some smearnoff ice in the fridge :) |
| 03:37.32 | Tekkub | only drank 3 before I got sick |
| 03:37.46 | Tekkub | make throat better so I can finish them! |
| 03:37.49 | Torhal | Sick because of too much alcohol or sick because of taste? |
| 03:37.52 | Torhal | Heh |
| 03:38.01 | Tekkub | sick because of mother is an elem teacher |
| 03:38.09 | Stanzilla | -- TODO check with Tom etc if this is kosher |
| 03:38.09 | Torhal | ... |
| 03:38.11 | Stanzilla | gogo Tom! |
| 03:38.25 | Torhal | Stanzilla: Actuall Blizzard code comment? |
| 03:38.29 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 03:38.33 | Torhal | NOICE |
| 03:38.35 | Tekkub | I've seen better |
| 03:38.43 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder if they managed to get in touch with Tom |
| 03:38.48 | Xinhuan | Tekkub, are you commiting to wow-ui-source with today's ptr patch soonish? |
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| 03:39.03 | Stanzilla | -- Remap button suffixes based on the disposition of the unit (contributed by Iriel and Cladhaire) < omg credit stolen :( |
| 03:39.06 | Tekkub | patching right now, aye |
| 03:39.29 | kd3 | I wish there was a way to get diff to ignore the xml reverts |
| 03:39.39 | Xinhuan | i've decided trying to extract them myself everytime is a pita ;p |
| 03:39.49 | Xinhuan | since you already do it |
| 03:39.52 | Stanzilla | alot of TODOs in there |
| 03:40.11 | End | SecureHoverDriver? |
| 03:40.13 | Torhal | Stanzilla: TODO: Find MOAR popular addons to emulate. |
| 03:40.17 | Iriel | How many of them are mine |
| 03:40.22 | Stanzilla | Torhal: ^^ |
| 03:40.39 | Xinhuan | why doesn't blizz ask me for my comments on their code :D |
| 03:40.41 | Stanzilla | I dunno |
| 03:41.03 | Torhal | Xinhuan: Hopefully this trend of "copy the community" will extend to "listen to the community". |
| 03:41.05 | kd3 | ho... a slash command to enable/disable macro errors |
| 03:41.13 | kd3 | spammy rogues will be happy, finally |
| 03:41.31 | Kalroth | You cannot do that yet. |
| 03:41.36 | Kalroth | Not enough energy. |
| 03:41.45 | Kalroth | Still not energy. |
| 03:41.51 | Tekkub | joystick moved or went away? |
| 03:41.52 | Kalroth | not enough* :( |
| 03:41.57 | Torhal | Kalroth: I just heard HAL when I read that comment, prepended with "Dave". |
| 03:41.58 | Tekkub | also what's the new build? |
| 03:42.07 | Stanzilla | 9658 |
| 03:42.17 | Xinhuan | whats the new slash command called? |
| 03:42.23 | kd3 | think it got pulled. wasn't in the ui extraction |
| 03:42.31 | Xinhuan | oh |
| 03:42.35 | Kalroth | Torhal: It would be pretty scary if all wow errors was said in the voice of HAL |
| 03:42.38 | kd3 | dunno, just found the SlashCmdList[] definition |
| 03:42.43 | Torhal | And also, since nobody in #wowace answered me: Why the hell didn't someone tell me there was a Dead Like Me movie? Bastards. |
| 03:42.44 | kd3 | still skimming the diff now |
| 03:42.49 | Torhal | Kalroth: Inded. |
| 03:43.05 | Torhal | s/Inded/Indeed/ |
| 03:43.06 | End | hm, they moved the secure action button actions to a table |
| 03:43.07 | Kalroth | kd3: you data miner, you! |
| 03:43.14 | Tekkub | is pushed |
| 03:43.27 | alestane | Makes it easier to maintain. |
| 03:43.28 | Xinhuan | time to clone |
| 03:43.41 | kd3 | oh wow. the tournament's a sanctuary now |
| 03:43.44 | kd3 | ahahahaha |
| 03:43.57 | Tekkub | pwnt |
| 03:44.20 | Kalroth | Sorry, this commit is taking too long to generate. :( |
| 03:44.49 | Shirik | Are you using git? |
| 03:45.07 | Tekkub | yea you'll never get the diffs on github they're huge |
| 03:45.08 | Kalroth | No, I just clicked the link |
| 03:45.56 | kd3 | that's why my emails exist... the diffs already pre-created |
| 03:46.06 | Torhal | I'm wondering when the quests in Light's Hope Chapel will be fixed, in regards to Naxxramas. |
| 03:46.11 | Xinhuan | i wonder how many minutes it'll take to clone git://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source.git |
| 03:46.17 | Shirik | kd3 brags about his huge things |
| 03:46.24 | Shirik | (and that they work, too) |
| 03:46.25 | Tekkub | <1 |
| 03:46.25 | Xinhuan | ok, not too long, just 50 seconds! |
| 03:46.29 | End | lol |
| 03:46.40 | Shirik | Tekkub's are huge, but don't work |
| 03:46.49 | Shirik | (or just takes too long) |
| 03:46.53 | Tekkub | and now you have the whole history, no need to browse wowcompares! |
| 03:46.54 | Shirik | (is that a good thing?) |
| 03:47.21 | Xinhuan | so |
| 03:47.26 | kd3 | torhal; the hell? are they still there? |
| 03:47.26 | Tekkub | actually you can probably get the raw diff just fine.. |
| 03:47.33 | Xinhuan | why have they removed all the function="" stuff from their XML |
| 03:47.35 | Torhal | kd3: Yes |
| 03:47.38 | kd3 | @_@ |
| 03:47.48 | alestane | Xinhuan: Should only be from the templates. |
| 03:47.48 | kd3 | xin; that's what I've been wondering |
| 03:47.51 | Tekkub | http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/commit/7f0fa5e3c01b518380bb0320a9a0deb565c087f7.diff |
| 03:47.55 | alestane | It made them very hard to hook. |
| 03:47.58 | Tekkub | took a few sec to generate |
| 03:48.02 | Torhal | kd3: There's one which refers to the "entrance to Naxxramas" in its prior location. |
| 03:48.10 | Tekkub | oh nope, error, lawl |
| 03:48.16 | Xinhuan | ah... that makes sense |
| 03:48.19 | Xinhuan | "made them hard to hook" |
| 03:48.42 | alestane | If you wanted to modify the behavior of ActionButton_OnUpdate, for instance, you hade to iterate over all frames looking for ones that looked like action buttons. |
| 03:49.03 | alestane | They should still be using it for single-instance frames like the quest log. |
| 03:49.55 | Xinhuan | yes, i agree with you |
| 03:50.07 | Xinhuan | i see a new table of SECURE_ACTIONS |
| 03:50.22 | alestane | Maintainability. |
| 03:50.37 | Xinhuan | instead of the older if-then-else chain |
| 03:50.44 | Xinhuan | its now a table lookup |
| 03:50.52 | alestane | Got really hard to read if you wanted to modify it somewhere. |
| 03:51.01 | Xinhuan | so its actually faster as well, i suppose |
| 03:51.22 | Iriel | It's probably not faster, or if it is, only for the later entries |
| 03:51.37 | Torhal | Seriously, though, unless you're doing a fuckton of iterations - will you _notice_ the speedup? |
| 03:51.41 | End | I doubt it makes a difference |
| 03:51.47 | Xinhuan | i think it will |
| 03:51.55 | Tekkub | plus if chains blow in general |
| 03:51.57 | Xinhuan | some users have well over what 60 buttons visible on screen? |
| 03:52.06 | Torhal | Xinhuan: True. |
| 03:52.08 | Xinhuan | and 60 buttons = lots and lots of event updates |
| 03:52.11 | Tekkub | Xinhuan, they suck |
| 03:52.19 | Xinhuan | i only use 23 hehe |
| 03:52.25 | Tekkub | 24 |
| 03:52.25 | Xinhuan | with my own popbar! |
| 03:52.28 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 03:52.40 | Xinhuan | i checked on ptr, latest patch didn't break my popbar |
| 03:52.47 | Iriel | ?? The click handler has nothing to do with on update |
| 03:52.49 | Iriel | only clicking |
| 03:52.57 | Xinhuan | true iriel |
| 03:53.18 | Tekkub | oh man, is there an API to get the use item for a quest now? |
| 03:53.29 | Tekkub | I could do it automatically in TourGuide now |
| 03:53.35 | Tekkub | instead of hand adding them |
| 03:53.36 | Xinhuan | not sure, but i did notice on LIVE |
| 03:53.37 | Xinhuan | that |
| 03:53.42 | Xinhuan | when you tried to abandon a quest |
| 03:53.46 | Xinhuan | the popup static dialog |
| 03:53.59 | Xinhuan | will ask you "Abandoning _____ quest will also destroy ________ in your inventory" |
| 03:54.02 | alestane | It added a table lookup and function call to the call chain, so it's something like an O-(45) operation instead of O-(2n)...the only way it'll offer you a benefit is against going all the way through the chain, if that. |
| 03:54.06 | Tekkub | yea it's always done that |
| 03:54.06 | Xinhuan | are you sure you want to abandon? |
| 03:54.18 | Xinhuan | so somehow there must already be a function to check the name of the item |
| 03:54.19 | alestane | Xinhuan: That's like 1.13 or something. |
| 03:55.00 | Xinhuan | so whats the rationale behind re-adding show/hide template after its removal last patch? |
| 03:55.01 | Torhal | Iriel: Speaking of abandon/destroy, are you aware of any plans on making that a uniform action? Example: There are some quests which will destroy things in inventory/bank, and others that leave a "dangling pointer", if you will. |
| 03:55.18 | Tekkub | the onupdate template's gone |
| 03:55.27 | alestane | Xinhuan: We're more tightly controlling how and when they can be shown or hidden. |
| 03:55.54 | alestane | i.e., the user can't dictate conditions like exact timing any more. |
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| 03:59.00 | Xinhuan | looks like not much changes need to be applied to existing bar addons, other than the re-added show/hide |
| 04:00.32 | Iriel | Not unless you want to use the hover driver , no, the changes are fairly non-invasive outside of the exact things that changed |
| 04:01.16 | Xinhuan | is unit frames set focus fixed yet? (before i look in the code) |
| 04:05.25 | AbsolutRayne_ | Sigh |
| 04:05.33 | AbsolutRayne_ | I dont even know why I bother pugging 25M Naxx |
| 04:06.25 | kd3 | whee, typo |
| 04:06.31 | kd3 | +LOCAL_UpdateFrame:SetScript("OnAttributeCHanged", SecureHoverDriverManager_OnAttributeChanged); |
| 04:07.09 | Torhal | kd3: That looks like something I'd type. I catch my double-shifts, though. |
| 04:07.25 | Tekkub | lol, Rock Band just ruined Coldplay's early shit for me |
| 04:07.45 | Tekkub | I now tend to subconsciously hone in on the drums and play them... |
| 04:07.46 | AbsolutRayne | <03-06-09 21:03>[Zanrok] KT u need to know position || <03-06-09 21:03>[Zanrok] so dont fuck up on that || <03-06-09 21:03>[Zanrok] or i be hella pissed |
| 04:07.57 | Iriel | kd3: Hm... damn. |
| 04:08.02 | AbsolutRayne | Like he cant just tell me what friggin mark to stand on |
| 04:08.02 | Torhal | Tekkub: They didn't ruin "Bitterwesst Sympony", did they? |
| 04:08.06 | Tekkub | I'm noticing that on Parachutes... it's the same drums on most of the songs |
| 04:08.54 | Shirik | omg, school vending machines have new candy in it |
| 04:08.56 | Tekkub | Torhal, I don't see how that's even possible :) |
| 04:08.59 | Shirik | "Starburst FaveREDs" |
| 04:09.03 | Torhal | Tekkub: :D |
| 04:09.05 | Shirik | Starburst, but only the pink and red ones |
| 04:09.07 | Shirik | so much <3 |
| 04:09.12 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 04:09.14 | kd3 | aweseome |
| 04:09.15 | Tekkub | Shirik, OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGSUGARRUSHOMGOMGOMG |
| 04:09.19 | kd3 | why didn't they do that years ago? |
| 04:09.20 | Torhal | Wow. I manglefucked the song title. |
| 04:09.28 | Shirik | Tekkub: Indeed. |
| 04:09.31 | Tekkub | red is the only good one, fuck pink |
| 04:10.19 | Tekkub | I miss white chocolate kitkats |
| 04:10.39 | Tekkub | why did they keep the nasty wc reese's around but dropped the GODD kitkat ones? |
| 04:10.52 | Tekkub | GOOD even |
| 04:10.54 | kd3 | eew. wc reese's? |
| 04:11.09 | Tekkub | they're even more SPEW! than they sound |
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| 04:11.29 | Tekkub | wc and pb don't work, even when it's the best possible pb (reese's's) |
| 04:11.36 | Torhal | Tekkub: Target audience. The WC Reese's sold well, though they were initially a "Limited Edition" product. |
| 04:11.48 | Tekkub | KK was the same deal |
| 04:12.02 | Tekkub | and then after the trial they kept making em for like a year |
| 04:12.09 | Torhal | Aye. |
| 04:12.09 | Tekkub | but I've not seen em in some time |
| 04:12.36 | Tekkub | it was like half-assed Sunkist :P |
| 04:12.43 | Torhal | kd3: You didn't know? It's "Mtn Dew" now. |
| 04:12.47 | Tekkub | but at least it wasn't horrible |
| 04:12.50 | kd3 | I refuse to call it that |
| 04:13.03 | Shirik | Tekkub: WC? |
| 04:13.05 | kd3 | but livewire was def. my favorite flavor |
| 04:13.07 | kd3 | white chocloate |
| 04:13.10 | Shirik | oh ew |
| 04:13.10 | Torhal | Teh Intarwebz have ruined civilization! |
| 04:13.12 | Shirik | I hate that stuff |
| 04:13.12 | kd3 | gah, I fail at typing tonight |
| 04:13.13 | Tekkub | you know in a few years I'll just be "Dew" |
| 04:13.19 | Tekkub | then "Do" |
| 04:13.26 | Torhal | Tekkub: Teh Do |
| 04:13.34 | Xinhuan | o_O i just noticed Blizzard_ArenaUI |
| 04:13.42 | Tekkub | in a decade we'll just have P, D, C and M |
| 04:13.44 | kd3 | got added a few builds ago |
| 04:13.52 | Xinhuan | yeah didn't notice it until now |
| 04:13.54 | kd3 | but ya, it does exactly what you think it does |
| 04:13.55 | Tekkub | (Pepsi, Diet, Cherry and Mtn) |
| 04:14.01 | Xinhuan | who pays attention to blizz addons lol |
| 04:14.39 | Torhal | Tekkub: Mark Twain was WAY the fuck ahead of his time: |
| 04:14.43 | Torhal | For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and Iear 4 might fiks the |
| 04:14.43 | Torhal | "g/j" anomali wonse and for all. |
| 04:14.44 | Torhal | Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli. |
| 04:14.46 | Torhal | Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld. |
| 04:15.12 | Tekkub | my god |
| 04:15.15 | Torhal | :D |
| 04:15.21 | Tekkub | how did he come up with that without a cell phone? |
| 04:15.26 | Torhal | No shit. |
| 04:15.29 | Tekkub | I have a new respect for him |
| 04:15.52 | Torhal | I read that shit when I was like, 11-years-old, and shit myself instantly. |
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| 04:16.12 | kd3 | slowly |
| 04:16.48 | Tekkub | they need to make kids read this shit in middle school |
| 04:16.48 | Tekkub | THIS IS WHY WE MAKE YOU LEARN TO TYPE CORRECTLY |
| 04:16.48 | Torhal | Hahahaha |
| 04:18.04 | Tekkub | I still need a name for rewritten bigwigs |
| 04:20.30 | Chaoslux | biggerwigs? |
| 04:20.36 | Torhal | Tekkub: Eminence. |
| 04:21.08 | Tekkub | oh that sounds sexy |
| 04:21.17 | Torhal | Danke. |
| 04:26.28 | Xinhuan | how about Bossy |
| 04:26.45 | nuoHep | so, UnitAura now returns the unitid the buff came from as its isMine return http://i39.tinypic.com/ei9ssj.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/2u90gte.jpg |
| 04:28.24 | kd3 | saw that... was wondering if they were actually returning the unitid now |
| 04:28.26 | Shirik | Torhal: That's impressive. |
| 04:28.38 | Torhal | Shirik: What is? |
| 04:28.41 | Torhal | mark Twain? |
| 04:28.42 | Shirik | the mark twain |
| 04:28.43 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:29.09 | Torhal | Yah, every time I see a text-message-type chat message, I think of that to calm myself, |
| 04:29.11 | Torhal | Heh |
| 04:31.26 | Torhal | Shirik: "letez", to me, reflects the Southern American pronunciation of "letters". |
| 04:32.41 | Torhal | As with "aafte", for "after". |
| 04:35.24 | Shirik | On linux, if I lower "nice" value of a process, it gets a higher priority, right? |
| 04:35.38 | kd3 | yes |
| 04:35.45 | kd3 | it's 'less nice' to other procs |
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| 04:45.00 | Dagmar | Sweet jesus the difficulty on the Valiants is turned WAY high |
| 04:53.13 | kd3 | yes |
| 04:54.43 | Dagmar | I could beat the night elf, but the gnome was just pwning me |
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| 04:55.12 | Dagmar | ...and the night elf came down to just me starting with three layers of Defend and him a single layer |
| 04:55.37 | Dagmar | I don't know if I want to beat them again tomorrow. The champions are probably going to just run up and gib me |
| 04:55.59 | Dagmar | Hopefully they got the difficulty on them backwards somehow |
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| 05:03.29 | Torhal | Tekkub: BTW, that "English Language Improvement" dealie by Mark Twain (Samuel Clemmens) was written up in 1899. |
| 05:03.40 | Tekkub | ya |
| 05:09.14 | batrick | man lpeg is so fucking awesome |
| 05:09.23 | batrick | (if you guys haven't tried it you should) |
| 05:12.55 | Shirik | it really is |
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| 05:19.44 | kd3 | +Horde characters may now obtain the quest CLUCK! from Chickens. While Farmer Saldean won't be selling Special Chicken Feed to the Horde, perhaps "Westfall" William Saldean in Brill might... |
| 05:19.44 | kd3 | ! |
| 05:20.29 | Fisker- | fail |
| 05:20.38 | Olison | Mayperhaps, if lucky and the moon stands high |
| 05:20.49 | Fisker- | I went there myself |
| 05:20.58 | Fisker- | And when i got down there an alliance was doing it :D |
| 05:21.02 | Fisker- | So i just took his |
| 05:22.12 | Dagmar | There's plenty of chickens |
| 05:26.03 | kd3 | ! |
| 05:26.07 | kd3 | +Sprite Darter Eggs: May now (very rarely) drop from Sprite Darters in Feralas. Note that only Horde characters can attack and kill Sprite Darters. |
| 05:26.20 | Tekkub | booooooo |
| 05:26.48 | kd3 | yay! |
| 05:26.51 | kd3 | +Tiny Emerald Whelplings: May now (very rarely) drop from Adolescent Whelps in the Swamp of Sorrows. |
| 05:27.22 | NightHawkTheSane | how is that different than normal? |
| 05:27.31 | NightHawkTheSane | or am i thinking of the wrong whelps.. |
| 05:27.32 | kd3 | they only dropped from the other type before that |
| 05:27.52 | batrick | That chicken quest is doable with alliance help |
| 05:27.58 | batrick | I thought it was fine |
| 05:28.00 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Tiny_Emerald_Whelpling |
| 05:28.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ahhh |
| 05:28.29 | Arrowmaster | chicken quest is only doable by alliance, horde can steal the reward though |
| 05:28.48 | Dagmar | ...which is no big deal since it takes about fifteen seconds to get another chicken to play |
| 05:29.06 | Arrowmaster | well its not repeatable |
| 05:30.41 | Dagmar | Dunno about that |
| 05:30.53 | Dagmar | I screwed up and misclicked something the first time I tried it and had to go back for more chicken feed |
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| 05:31.56 | Fisker- | yay about the sprite darter though kd3 |
| 05:32.00 | Fisker- | though i hate it's rare |
| 05:32.05 | Fisker- | since it's ez for alliance |
| 05:32.11 | Fisker- | giev horde exclusive pet then |
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| 05:32.28 | Dagmar | Easy? *Time consuming* |
| 05:32.32 | Dagmar | Flying all oevr |
| 05:32.35 | kd3 | ^ |
| 05:32.38 | kd3 | easy for mages, sure |
| 05:32.41 | kd3 | the other classes, meh |
| 05:32.44 | Dagmar | Trying to get someone to cough up a couple of middling potions |
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| 05:33.13 | Fisker- | i am right kd3 |
| 05:33.17 | Fisker- | submit to my awesomeness |
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| 05:34.03 | Dagmar | I'm the guy who found the sprite darter in beta. kd3 is under my protection. |
| 05:34.05 | Dagmar | Pbblt. |
| 05:35.10 | Fisker- | make me |
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| 05:40.23 | Sixen | I miss the Beta. |
| 05:45.38 | Iriel | Hey nice typo in this quest text "Kor'kron Vangaurd" |
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| 05:46.51 | |Jelly| | I HAS A QUESTION! |
| 05:53.28 | |Jelly| | Has anyone ever heard of a router sending out too many requests and an ISP killing your service temporarily cause it's "spam" ? |
| 05:54.09 | Dagmar | Depends on what kind of request |
| 05:54.16 | |Jelly| | They didn't say. |
| 05:54.22 | |Jelly| | ... but this is a recent problem too |
| 05:54.24 | Dagmar | Call 'em up and ask for more details then |
| 05:54.37 | Dagmar | What little they've told you is bonkers |
| 05:54.43 | Dagmar | <-- works in a datacenter |
| 05:56.15 | Shirik | |Jelly|: Tell them to fix their shitty QoS |
| 05:56.24 | |Jelly| | What's QoS? |
| 05:56.42 | Tekkub | Quantum of Shit |
| 05:56.46 | Shirik | quality of service; a system which they should be able to leverage in order to suppress your spamminess if it were really in existence |
| 05:57.06 | Dagmar | About the only thing your router would be "requesting" would be an IP address over DHCP |
| 05:57.23 | Shirik | I assumed they meant requests from computers being forwarded through his router :) |
| 05:57.45 | Dagmar | No one ever monitors that that I'm aware of |
| 05:57.51 | Dagmar | Not on a large scale |
| 05:57.56 | Shirik | I agree 100% |
| 05:58.16 | Tekkub | Starfall cooldown has been lowered from 3 min to 1.5 min. |
| 05:58.21 | Dagmar | *we* monitor it at the office, but only for netblocks we really want to keep a close eye on |
| 05:58.26 | Tekkub | I swear, their evil joke continues |
| 05:58.32 | Dagmar | It's too computationally intensive |
| 05:58.58 | Shirik | Tekkub :P |
| 05:59.14 | Tekkub | I love the spell, but it's so transparent |
| 05:59.25 | Tekkub | lets give druids another aoe! |
| 05:59.33 | Tekkub | and it lasts x seconds! |
| 05:59.34 | |Jelly| | So they're full of shit? lol |
| 05:59.37 | Tekkub | without channeling! |
| 05:59.47 | Tekkub | and lets give it a huge range! |
| 05:59.53 | Tekkub | and it moves with the druid! |
| 05:59.57 | Tekkub | AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! |
| 06:00.02 | Shirik | |Jelly|: It's potentially possible they meant that you went over your bandwidth limit |
| 06:00.11 | Shirik | but you should speak to someone who knows what they're talking about |
| 06:00.18 | Dagmar | |Jelly|: I think *something* may have happened, and that the customer support flunky you spoke with didn't have any idea what it was and made something up to make you think you knew what the problem was |
| 06:00.27 | Dagmar | This happens _often_ |
| 06:01.05 | Shirik | I have actually told a customer once, when I fixed their computer, that we had to replace 2 flux capacitors |
| 06:01.09 | Dagmar | Not enough companies beat their CS reps for lying to customers |
| 06:02.36 | Tekkub | http://abstrusegoose.com/126 |
| 06:02.38 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.17 | Dagmar | http://notbrainsurgery.livejournal.com/8209.html |
| 06:04.28 | Shirik | Tekkub: http://www.mu.org/~doug/exp/100000.html |
| 06:04.29 | Shirik | Good luck |
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| 06:15.07 | batrick | anyone know how wine + 64 bit Linux does with WoW? |
| 06:16.01 | kd3 | fine. your package kit will install a 32-bit environment that wine will use |
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| 06:16.15 | kd3 | <-- x86_64, running f10 64-bit |
| 06:16.28 | Shirik | Tekkub: Found it |
| 06:16.32 | Shirik | and omg, it has another clue |
| 06:16.37 | Shirik | This is BS |
| 06:16.43 | Shirik | Do you want the answer Tekkub? |
| 06:16.44 | Tekkub | lol |
| 06:16.55 | Tekkub | *shrug* |
| 06:17.01 | Tekkub | they'll publish it tomorrow |
| 06:17.37 | Shirik | The second clue is http://abstrusegoose.com/secret-archives/b[first 10-digit prime found in consecutive digits of pi] |
| 06:17.50 | Shirik | I'm debating whether or not to do it |
| 06:17.58 | Shirik | Since I did this one by hand |
| 06:18.05 | Shirik | It would be much better to write a script for it |
| 06:19.14 | Dagmar | You know the site was written by some /b/tard |
| 06:21.55 | Shirik | http://3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592.com/index314.html |
| 06:21.59 | Shirik | There's the digits of pi |
| 06:22.03 | Shirik | get cracking Tekkub |
| 06:22.41 | Shirik | p.s. that's the best domain name ever |
| 06:23.03 | Dagmar | It hates the RFC with a passion. |
| 06:25.20 | NightHawkTheSane | that IS the best domain name ever |
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| 06:29.29 | Wobin | goddamn you abtruse goose |
| 06:38.49 | Tekkub | it's classing nerd sniping :) |
| 06:41.32 | Tekkub | http://xkcd.com/356/ |
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| 06:42.06 | kd3 | eeeebil |
| 06:42.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ that domain |
| 06:43.58 | Dezzimal | Anyone that has experience with the routes addon or other optimization algorithms, would it be possible to implement an option to let routes select X number of nodes to skip that are "out of the way" |
| 06:44.27 | Dezzimal | and have it automatically recognize nodes that are out of the way |
| 06:46.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Setup a taboo zone |
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| 06:47.08 | Dezzimal | I am familiar with how to use taboo zones thanks |
| 06:47.39 | batrick | Ah, the child of Bhaal has awoken. It is time for more... experiments. |
| 06:48.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, lol |
| 06:48.32 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443312480&sid=1 |
| 06:48.36 | ScytheBlade1 | If that's true then... buhahaha |
| 06:48.51 | ScytheBlade1 | (Namely the item drops) |
| 06:48.59 | batrick | lmfao |
| 06:49.40 | ScytheBlade1 | While I don't believe that was intentional, if that is indeed what they drop, then... man that is amazing |
| 06:51.52 | batrick | ScytheBlade1: I checked the loot tables... no watermelon or chicken |
| 06:52.01 | ScytheBlade1 | batrick: booo |
| 06:52.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That is a pretty amazing troll then |
| 06:57.27 | Dagmar | With the amount of fact-checking some reporters do, it's liable to be on CNN tomorrow |
| 06:57.42 | Dagmar | Then we'll have to listen to Al Sharpton run his mouth again |
| 06:57.46 | Dagmar | Joy. |
| 06:58.50 | ccox | ah, crap - still no tourguide for northrend, looks like he's only completed borean tundra |
| 06:59.25 | Dagmar | Good thing the optimal route is basically to just do what the NPCs tell you |
| 06:59.42 | Dezzimal | ccox: Zygor's Guide is a very decent alternative |
| 06:59.59 | Dagmar | I was a little put off about the fact that most of the Northrend quests were ultra-freaking-short |
| 07:00.01 | Dezzimal | It costs money, but this is the internet |
| 07:00.21 | Dagmar | I don't know about ofr Northrend but the Outlands parts of Zygor's kinda suck |
| 07:01.30 | Dezzimal | I used it on my DK, mostly as a refernce to make sure I didn't miss anything |
| 07:01.34 | Dezzimal | and it was pretty solid |
| 07:01.48 | Dagmar | It completely muffs it in Zangarmarsh |
| 07:02.02 | Dezzimal | Yeah I used TG for outland |
| 07:02.41 | Dezzimal | I could probably take some time on my hunter and copy down what I do for TG in northrend :/ |
| 07:03.03 | Dezzimal | I appreciate the addon enough to do that |
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| 07:04.11 | Dagmar | A lot of the stuff that bugged me before about TG has gone away apparently so I might be doing up some sequences in preparation for getting my DK there |
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| 07:04.48 | Dezzimal | Its probably best to work on it while you're leveling a character |
| 07:05.00 | Dezzimal | so that you don't mess things up that are off or wrong on wowhead |
| 07:05.33 | Dagmar | ...but since most of northrend is "Go to the hub, get two pairs of quests. Go do the first two because they're right next to each other, then the second two because they're the same way. return, trade in these quests for a new pair of quests. Get breadcrumb to nearby hub, do another pair of quests, etc" |
| 07:05.58 | Dagmar | I can actually remember most of the stuff about the zones I've been in |
| 07:06.14 | Dezzimal | I do too, but some of what I remember is off by a little bit |
| 07:06.59 | Dezzimal | partially because the first time I leveled was beta |
| 07:07.11 | Tekkub | the big thing about TG is the use-item frame anymore |
| 07:07.20 | Dagmar | This is where wowwiki, wowhead, and thottbot come in a bit handier than usual |
| 07:07.21 | Dezzimal | and then again on live, and the 3rd time with my DK things were different yet again |
| 07:07.25 | Tekkub | and that's getting official replacement next patch |
| 07:07.39 | Tekkub | there's a little streamlining in ZD and SB |
| 07:07.53 | Tekkub | tiny bit in SP |
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| 07:08.14 | Tekkub | DB's all about doing the hubs in the right order |
| 07:08.17 | Dagmar | When I went up through Northrend the first time, I was paying attention to which quests would ahev been worth dropping for taking too long |
| 07:08.41 | Dagmar | There weren't many that took longer than about 3 minutes it felt like |
| 07:08.47 | Tekkub | guess there's a smidge of streamlining on the coast in GH |
| 07:09.02 | Tekkub | doing troll and giant quests at the same time |
| 07:09.49 | Dagmar | Those kinda melted away for me because of the scorched earth travel policy |
| 07:10.39 | Dagmar | ..although that left me doing Icecrown, Storm Peaks, and half of Sholazar Basin at 80 |
| 07:10.42 | Tekkub | I'm just gitty over the quest tracket item frame |
| 07:10.49 | Dagmar | Haven't touched Zul'Drak except to fly through it |
| 07:10.54 | Tekkub | all those people that said the blizzy tracker blew |
| 07:10.56 | Tekkub | FUCK YOU |
| 07:10.59 | Dagmar | Yeah that's been nifty on the PTR |
| 07:11.13 | Shirik | hrm |
| 07:11.14 | Dezzimal | The only quests I found that were really heavy on travel time were in howling fjord |
| 07:11.19 | Shirik | I don't think top is supposed to say, for one of your CPUs |
| 07:11.23 | Syzgyn | new quest item tracker? |
| 07:11.26 | Shirik | 2 [ nan%] |
| 07:11.28 | Dezzimal | From camp winterhoof down to giant's run |
| 07:11.31 | Tekkub | not new |
| 07:11.33 | Dezzimal | is a pretty long run |
| 07:11.35 | Tekkub | just improved |
| 07:11.40 | Dagmar | Yeah the new tracker shows you an icon for the quest item you need to use when it's showing you the quest |
| 07:11.49 | Syzgyn | Interesting |
| 07:11.52 | Dagmar | ...so no more digging around in your bags looking for some dinky icon |
| 07:11.59 | Tekkub | it's pure sex |
| 07:12.05 | Tekkub | I'm talking bear god mojo sex here |
| 07:12.08 | Dagmar | ...like the Niffleheim horn you blow, etc |
| 07:12.21 | Wobin | just the icon? or clickable like in TG? |
| 07:12.22 | Tekkub | watersports! |
| 07:12.26 | Dagmar | Clickable |
| 07:12.27 | Tekkub | clickable |
| 07:12.29 | Wobin | nice |
| 07:12.36 | Dezzimal | I have a quest item sub-bag set up on ArkInventory |
| 07:12.43 | Dagmar | Even with ArkInventory finding quest items in bagspace is a pain |
| 07:12.43 | Wobin | I've been using Opie anyway =P |
| 07:12.56 | Tekkub | I'm up in the air if I'll even keep using the TG use item |
| 07:12.56 | Dagmar | ...cuz you wind up running around with like 8 or more different ones ALL the bloody time |
| 07:13.03 | Wobin | even though I wish Opie picked up the dragons in Oculus |
| 07:13.06 | Tekkub | I could either code it to find the item from the tracker |
| 07:13.14 | Tekkub | or just say "fuck you, use the tracker" |
| 07:13.20 | Tekkub | I like #2, less code |
| 07:13.28 | Wobin | I liked how we could move that item, Tekk |
| 07:13.36 | Tekkub | you can move the tracker |
| 07:13.42 | Wobin | but that moves all the words too |
| 07:13.57 | Tekkub | I'm not saying I'll remove the use-item frame |
| 07:13.59 | Wobin | I'd have the quest item button closer to the middle of the screen |
| 07:14.06 | Tekkub | just stop adding things to it probably :) |
| 07:14.12 | Dagmar | I'm fine with it being small and out of my way |
| 07:14.22 | Dagmar | I have enough crazy stuff going on in the middle of my screen |
| 07:14.40 | Wobin | Dagmar: That's why I liked Opie doing it |
| 07:14.40 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/58af307b9de175b44cdb25cf92a61842.png |
| 07:14.47 | Dagmar | Windows that pop up in the middle of the screen and intercept mouse clicks happening at odd times is evil |
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| 07:15.13 | Tekkub | shirik, give your green pixels a rest please |
| 07:15.14 | Dagmar | Shirik: Yeah that's probably not good. |
| 07:15.44 | Dagmar | I hope that's in a VM otherwise you better start looking at the syslog |
| 07:16.10 | Shirik | nope, it's the server |
| 07:16.12 | Dagmar | I can't see only one of four cores reporting like that unless something unpleasant has happened. |
| 07:16.27 | Shirik | I just took the shot at a bad time imo |
| 07:16.34 | Shirik | are you referring to core 4 or 2? |
| 07:16.43 | Shirik | 2 I have no idea what's going on |
| 07:16.49 | Shirik | 4 was just random luck, it averages 1% |
| 07:16.52 | Dagmar | Core 2 that is reporting a bizarre Not A Number response for it's load |
| 07:17.00 | Shirik | yeah I don't know >< |
| 07:17.47 | Dagmar | I'd _really_ check the syslog |
| 07:17.55 | Shirik | I mean, it is in a xen environment |
| 07:18.09 | Shirik | to answer your VM question |
| 07:18.11 | Dagmar | Hopefully when it went from giving out sane numbers to whatever the heck it's doing through the kernel now, it said something about it in the logs |
| 07:18.32 | Dagmar | Oh so you've just got that core assigned to anotehr environment? |
| 07:18.43 | Shirik | nope |
| 07:18.43 | Dagmar | Well that would explain it |
| 07:18.50 | Shirik | it has access to all 4 cores |
| 07:19.15 | Shirik | and there's nothing interesting in the system log |
| 07:19.38 | Dagmar | Well, you're not alone at least: http://forums.citrix.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1357122 |
| 07:20.43 | Dagmar | WEird. These guys seem to think it's reporting a number higher than 100% http://forums.cacti.net/post-61630.html |
| 07:21.01 | Dagmar | Take a peek in /proc |
| 07:26.45 | Shirik | JWS documentation: |
| 07:26.52 | Shirik | "Specifying a platform version: Currently, there are three different platforms supported: 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, and 1.5." |
| 07:27.02 | Shirik | (1) What happened to 1.6, and (2) who taught these guys how to count? |
| 07:27.06 | Dagmar | Yay maths! |
| 07:29.24 | Shirik | strange |
| 07:29.28 | Shirik | when logged in as root |
| 07:29.30 | Shirik | the nan% goes away |
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| 07:33.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol wtf |
| 07:33.49 | ScytheBlade1 | It turns out that all this time I've been missing an MX record on my domain |
| 07:34.30 | Shirik | were you still getting mail? |
| 07:34.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 07:35.21 | ScytheBlade1 | (If the domain someone is sending to doesn't have an MX record, most all mail servers will fail-back to an A record) |
| 07:35.31 | Shirik | that seems reasonable |
| 07:35.31 | Dagmar | Probably couldn't send much mail out tho |
| 07:35.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Weird, I was only missing it on 1/5 |
| 07:35.45 | Dagmar | Mail servers don't like sender addresses that have no MX. They look like spam. |
| 07:35.55 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 07:36.00 | Shirik | google didn't like my mail for a while |
| 07:36.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Luckily for me I'm a loner who doesn't have that problem ;) |
| 07:36.08 | Shirik | For some reason it complies now |
| 07:36.15 | Shirik | but for a while it denied any mail my server sent |
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| 07:37.39 | ScytheBlade1 | You know, I like linux |
| 07:37.39 | ScytheBlade1 | A lot |
| 07:37.45 | Shirik | but... |
| 07:37.57 | ScytheBlade1 | But you know, any guy who uses this as his business logo |
| 07:37.59 | ScytheBlade1 | On his store front |
| 07:38.02 | ScytheBlade1 | On his business cards |
| 07:38.04 | ScytheBlade1 | On his website |
| 07:38.05 | ScytheBlade1 | http://byte-better.com/logo/logo.3.9.20.gif |
| 07:38.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Well for some reason I can only trust him so much |
| 07:38.18 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:39.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly I have to deal with him |
| 07:39.48 | ScytheBlade1 | As he believes that I control a domain that I... don't |
| 07:39.49 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 07:43.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Well that was short lived |
| 07:46.37 | ScytheBlade1 | man I never realized how redundant this is in google until just now |
| 07:46.40 | ScytheBlade1 | "network manager manage wired network interface" |
| 07:46.47 | ScytheBlade1 | bonus points if you can figure out what I'm looking to do |
| 07:48.42 | Shirik | Are you allowed to include meta-information in certs? |
| 07:48.50 | Shirik | Like you can obviously include "This is a code signing certificate" |
| 07:48.55 | Shirik | but what about custom info |
| 07:49.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Such as? |
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| 07:49.26 | Shirik | Such as "This is a code signing certificate for a trusted author" vs "This is a code signing certificate for an untrusted author" |
| 07:49.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:49.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Short answer: no not really |
| 07:49.56 | Shirik | ok then I won't try to :P |
| 07:50.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Long answer: yes but don't expect to retain sanity after pulling it off |
| 07:50.16 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:50.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Does the term OID mean anything to you? |
| 07:50.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually it should |
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| 07:50.56 | Shirik | isn't that |
| 07:50.56 | Shirik | like |
| 07:50.59 | Shirik | DN=Whatever |
| 07:51.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Remember those long strings of numbers that you saw in my config? |
| 07:51.04 | Shirik | DN is the OID? |
| 07:51.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 07:51.10 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:51.21 | ScytheBlade1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_identifier |
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| 07:51.25 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 07:51.26 | Shirik | I remember now |
| 07:51.47 | ScytheBlade1 | What you do, is you go looking for the "public usage" OID subtree |
| 07:51.58 | ScytheBlade1 | And then throw in a full base-10 representation of a 128-bit GUID |
| 07:52.07 | Shirik | no screw that |
| 07:52.09 | Shirik | too much work |
| 07:52.10 | ScytheBlade1 | And use that as you please, adding .1, .2, .3 etc after that |
| 07:52.21 | Shirik | Other people can just sign their own stuff with their own certs |
| 07:52.29 | Shirik | or leave it unsigned |
| 07:53.28 | ScytheBlade1 | You more or less embed this stupidly long number within the cert |
| 07:53.38 | ScytheBlade1 | And code your app to look for and recognize what that number means |
| 07:54.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and there he goes |
| 07:54.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 07:54.11 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
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| 07:54.42 | ScytheBlade1 | 02:53 < ScytheBlade1> You more or less embed this stupidly long number within the cert |
| 07:54.45 | ScytheBlade1 | 02:53 < ScytheBlade1> And code your app to look for and recognize what that number means |
| 07:55.15 | Shirik | I hate my school |
| 07:55.23 | ScytheBlade1 | We hate it too |
| 07:55.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Spamming our channel with your disconnects |
| 08:00.52 | ScytheBlade1 | BOO |
| 08:01.05 | ScytheBlade1 | my / has been mounted 32 times without being checked, check forced |
| 08:01.22 | ScytheBlade1 | This wouldn't be an issue if the 160GB drive wasn't ~70% full and entirely encrypted |
| 08:02.50 | ZorbaBeta | the whole re-check thing is really quite weird. it's one of the few things my mom absolutely hates about ubuntu. even dos was never dumb enough to force you to sit there for hours once in a while during bootup |
| 08:03.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Just use reiserfs |
| 08:03.22 | ScytheBlade1 | proper journaling >>>> ext3/4 in that regard |
| 08:03.48 | ZorbaBeta | I've heard bad things about its stability. Don't know if it's better now, but someone ran a test that was basically "copy a bunch of files, then pull the plug midway through" |
| 08:03.59 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 08:04.05 | ScytheBlade1 | The same applies to ANY filesystem |
| 08:04.06 | ZorbaBeta | reiser corrupted to the point of unrecoverability in only a few tries, ext2 just kept on trucking |
| 08:04.11 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 08:04.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I can honestly say that I've ran reiserfs3 for years and it has been nothing but amazing to me |
| 08:04.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I even ran reiser4 for quite some time and it was great |
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| 08:05.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I have never heard of the "pull a plug --> dead filesystem" being any more specific to reiser than FAT32, NTFS, or ext3 |
| 08:06.02 | Shirik | go with QNX filesystem |
| 08:06.04 | Shirik | QFS |
| 08:06.04 | Shirik | ftw |
| 08:06.08 | Shirik | it's power safe! |
| 08:06.27 | Iriel | until the disk head crashes into the platter |
| 08:06.31 | ScytheBlade1 | And what are the limitations on QFS? |
| 08:06.33 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 08:06.40 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Probably that only QNX supports it :P |
| 08:06.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a pretty big limitation |
| 08:06.56 | ZorbaBeta | scythe, it's not hard to imagine. I mean, stuff like this is why ol' FAT32 kept two copies of the FAT |
| 08:07.02 | ZorbaBeta | if one of them got trashed, it could use the other |
| 08:07.13 | Shirik | Iriel: And then a meteor came down and landed on the Linux box |
| 08:07.18 | ZorbaBeta | there's many, many ways you can build durability and recoverability into a filesystem. |
| 08:07.20 | Shirik | and both were in the same predicament :( |
| 08:07.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I've really only ever used reiserfs, that only changed on the laptop because I was too lazy while setting it up |
| 08:07.37 | ZorbaBeta | hell, ext2/3/4 keep multiple copies of the masterblock, distributed throughout the hard drive. |
| 08:07.44 | ZorbaBeta | *just in case* |
| 08:07.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure that reiser does too |
| 08:09.08 | Shirik | ZorbaBeta: Even FAT does that |
| 08:09.24 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, only two copies, from what I remember, and I seem to recall they're not distributed |
| 08:09.27 | ZorbaBeta | though I may be wrong on that |
| 08:09.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Anywho, with my reiserfs awesome bit |
| 08:09.29 | Shirik | yes, 2 copies |
| 08:09.34 | Shirik | one at the beginning and one about half way down |
| 08:09.43 | ScytheBlade1 | You can use e2fstune to adjust how often it forces a disk check |
| 08:09.56 | ZorbaBeta | ah, thought they both were at the beginning. that's better at least |
| 08:10.56 | ZorbaBeta | but anyway yeah different filesystems can absolutely have different amounts of stability vs. corruption :) |
| 08:11.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd be using reiserfs on my desktop, but fedora actually uses SELinux properly and that doesn't play well with reiserfs's lack of proper extended file data |
| 08:12.19 | ScytheBlade1 | (read: not at all, period) |
| 08:14.20 | Shirik | Ayumi Hamasaki is an amazing singer |
| 08:14.27 | Shirik | and somehow her voice is recognizable to me |
| 08:16.06 | ScytheBlade1 | UT3 for $12 on Steam |
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| 08:20.23 | Fisker- | UT3 sucks boo! |
| 08:20.59 | ScytheBlade1 | 2k3 ftw |
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| 08:25.13 | Shirik | I swear, our IT is worthless |
| 08:25.42 | ScytheBlade1 | They torrent late at night when the bandwidth picks up |
| 08:26.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Their network is actually amazing and all of your problems are in line with what they are expecting due to their gigabit torrenting |
| 08:26.54 | ScytheBlade1 | In any case, sleep! |
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| 08:29.16 | devZero | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:33.04 | jnwhiteh | ooh |
| 08:33.07 | jnwhiteh | RegisterAutoHide |
| 08:33.09 | Fisker- | >:3? |
| 08:33.10 | jnwhiteh | interesting |
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| 08:34.15 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/109651 |
| 08:34.24 | jnwhiteh | GetCurrentMapAreaID |
| 08:56.31 | NightHawkTheSane | http://909sickle.com/s/to-the-death/ |
| 08:56.38 | Wobin | oh god |
| 08:56.40 | Wobin | Facebook Uno |
| 08:56.49 | Wobin | I may never move from this computer ever again |
| 08:57.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: fleee!! |
| 08:57.24 | Wobin | It's TERRIBLE |
| 08:57.28 | Wobin | I -WON- a game! |
| 08:57.37 | Wobin | Now I can't stop =( |
| 08:58.10 | Wobin | although if you do plat |
| 08:58.12 | Wobin | play |
| 08:58.27 | Wobin | make sure you hit the uno button before -playing- the second to last card |
| 08:58.46 | Wobin | I'm more used to throwing down the card and yelling UNO, but apparently you have to do it -before- playing it |
| 08:59.58 | NeoTron | the standard blizzard dropdowns are a bit limited |
| 09:00.05 | NeoTron | WTB new dropdown library :P |
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| 09:16.27 | NightHawkTheSane | git gives me a headache. :( |
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| 09:27.50 | Adys | "Sprite Darter Eggs: May now (very rarely) drop from Sprite Darters in Feralas. Note that only Horde characters can attack and kill Sprite Darters." |
| 09:27.53 | Adys | haha, nice one |
| 09:27.56 | ZorbaBeta | haha |
| 09:28.00 | ZorbaBeta | that is awesome |
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| 09:28.11 | ZorbaBeta | five points to blizzard |
| 09:28.33 | Adys | also |
| 09:28.34 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/jeweled.jpg |
| 09:29.03 | ZorbaBeta | where d'you get that from? haris pilton? |
| 09:29.10 | Adys | fishing dailies |
| 09:29.15 | ZorbaBeta | ah |
| 09:29.27 | Adys | but haris pilton selling that would be cute |
| 09:31.00 | Tekkub | devcub? |
| 09:31.07 | Adys | whats wrong about it |
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| 09:45.27 | Fisker- | bah Adys |
| 09:45.34 | Fisker- | i wish i've gotten that instead of this shitty compass |
| 09:45.35 | Adys | ? |
| 09:45.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: that from the ptr? |
| 09:45.40 | Adys | on a ptr? |
| 09:45.44 | Adys | yes night |
| 09:45.58 | NightHawkTheSane | did they add new northrend fishing dailies then? |
| 09:46.01 | Adys | yes |
| 09:46.03 | Fisker- | http://i40.tinypic.com/2jaf9yd.jpg |
| 09:46.03 | Fisker- | QQ |
| 09:46.05 | NightHawkTheSane | neat |
| 09:46.05 | Adys | i was scared to nuts of doing the fishing daily in dalaran sewers |
| 09:46.11 | Adys | because i didnt want to get the giant rat |
| 09:46.54 | Adys | also |
| 09:46.59 | Adys | http://addsanddishes.blogspot.com/2009/03/wdbc-parser-new-release.html |
| 09:48.08 | End | Rare? what, do you have colorblind mode on or something? |
| 09:48.31 | Adys | yeah its neat |
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| 09:52.47 | Adys | oh |
| 09:52.54 | Adys | you get a warning now when you buy expensive stuff |
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| 09:57.20 | Fisker- | you can even sell back items bought from badges |
| 09:57.33 | Fisker- | Hopefully the GM's will tell people to sod off then |
| 09:57.44 | Fisker- | So we can free up ~90% of the ticket queue |
| 09:57.51 | Adys | sell back how? |
| 09:58.04 | Fisker- | You just sell it like any other item |
| 09:58.09 | Adys | no but |
| 09:58.13 | Adys | you get badges back for it? |
| 09:58.14 | Fisker- | Then it pops up "Do you want to refund this item for x emblems" |
| 09:58.16 | Fisker- | Yeah |
| 09:58.20 | Fisker- | But it only lasts for 2 hours |
| 09:58.26 | Adys | wut |
| 09:58.30 | Fisker- | so it's not like you can sell it when you're done using it :P |
| 09:58.37 | Fisker- | unless you expect using it less than 2 hours |
| 09:58.47 | NightHawkTheSane | its "oh shit i bought the wrong item" protection |
| 09:58.51 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 09:59.00 | Fisker- | Doesn't work on BoE though |
| 09:59.05 | Fisker- | or atleast doesn't work on gems :P |
| 09:59.20 | Adys | i think within the next 5-6 major patches or so |
| 09:59.20 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, that'd be an easy way to transfer badges if it did |
| 09:59.21 | Fisker- | Cause i wanted to see if i could just buy a gem, put in a stack and then sell it back for stack * 10 |
| 09:59.22 | Fisker- | :D |
| 09:59.26 | Adys | every player will be given the GM UI |
| 09:59.36 | Adys | "sort yourselves out" |
| 09:59.51 | Fisker- | Not a bad idea though |
| 10:00.03 | Adys | I like it |
| 10:00.07 | Adys | Im just wondering how i didnt notice it |
| 10:00.11 | Adys | since when is this active? |
| 10:00.20 | Fisker- | Last build i think |
| 10:00.47 | Adys | QQ I dont have any emblems left |
| 10:00.50 | Adys | bought the fucking mammoth |
| 10:00.57 | Fisker- | But it could also be cool if you could go on your account management and manually retrieve deleted characters |
| 10:01.50 | Adys | ah neat |
| 10:01.54 | Adys | my second char transferred |
| 10:02.55 | Adys | what the fuck I lost half my achievements |
| 10:03.11 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 10:03.49 | Fisker- | weird |
| 10:03.52 | Fisker- | or not really |
| 10:03.53 | Adys | actually |
| 10:03.58 | Adys | I lost 329 achievements |
| 10:03.59 | End | Adys: blame ptr |
| 10:04.03 | Adys | yeah |
| 10:04.05 | Fisker- | since most of them are probably retroactively given to you again |
| 10:04.06 | End | they stopped copying achievements |
| 10:04.17 | End | to make the char copy go faster |
| 10:04.25 | batrick | how lazy! |
| 10:04.42 | Adys | sounds dangerous |
| 10:04.48 | End | how is it dangerous? |
| 10:05.03 | Adys | er, what if an achievement changes and you havent got it anymore or something |
| 10:05.15 | End | ...it's a PTR only thing |
| 10:05.21 | Adys | ... I know? |
| 10:05.50 | Adys | when you test something, the closest you are to what it's gonna be on live, the best it is |
| 10:06.05 | End | well |
| 10:06.11 | Adys | just an example, I got Frostbitten on my old char |
| 10:06.17 | End | the alternative is your copy is gonna take another two weeks |
| 10:06.17 | Adys | even though I didnt actually have it on live |
| 10:06.37 | Adys | and it showed like half reqs unmet |
| 10:07.49 | Adys | besides i dont think copying a bunch of achievements takes 2 weeks |
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| 10:08.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Testing/fixing achievements is an easily QA'd task |
| 10:08.11 | End | maybe their ptr copy system sucks |
| 10:08.21 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: no its not |
| 10:08.30 | NightHawkTheSane | the kind of massive stress test and class balance tests blizzard probably wants can't be QA'd quite as easy |
| 10:09.04 | Adys | you're defending blizz on moot points |
| 10:09.15 | Fisker- | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Fiskerdin <-The perils of messing with my achievements |
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| 10:09.22 | NightHawkTheSane | im saying the opportunity cost of ditching achievements in the copy is -well- worth it |
| 10:09.27 | Fisker- | They've not gotten around to removing it yet |
| 10:09.30 | Fisker- | :D |
| 10:09.55 | Adys | night, are you even sure they're doing this for what you think they intend to do it? |
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| 10:10.28 | NightHawkTheSane | "sure"? no, but i'm willing to bet my reasons are probably close. it's not hard to make an educated guess |
| 10:10.58 | Adys | i'll tell you a bunch of reasons why they could be doing that |
| 10:11.06 | Adys | could be to test a new char copy method |
| 10:12.52 | End | no |
| 10:13.01 | Adys | I didnt say it was |
| 10:13.04 | Adys | I said it could be |
| 10:13.11 | End | I'm saying I'm right |
| 10:13.54 | Adys | I dont care whether you're right, it's not my problem should blizz miss shit like what i mentioned |
| 10:14.17 | End | then stop arguing |
| 10:14.23 | NightHawkTheSane | "This will allow us to increase the speed and availability of character transfers to the Test realm." explicitly stated that the reason for not copying achievements is to increase the number of warm bodies on the ptr |
| 10:14.41 | Adys | End: why are you being such a jerk about this? |
| 10:14.48 | Adys | asking you honestly there |
| 10:14.54 | Thunder_Child | so, Watchmen....not bad |
| 10:15.25 | NightHawkTheSane | because you're being equally obstinate? |
| 10:16.06 | Adys | I'm not being a jerk, I'm stating you arent the one who should decide whether its worth it or not to take a decision like that |
| 10:16.10 | Thunder_Child | i am not a comicbook eficianado (sp?) so i can not say if it is true to the story but it was entertaining |
| 10:16.10 | batbot | Thunder_Child, nothing found. |
| 10:16.16 | Adys | and that there are valid reasons against it too |
| 10:16.36 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 10:16.41 | Dagmar | Ooh better watch it |
| 10:16.42 | NightHawkTheSane | who here is making decisions? |
| 10:16.42 | End | Blizzard got to decide that, I was just stating their reasons |
| 10:16.50 | Dagmar | They're called "graphic novels" now. |
| 10:17.02 | NightHawkTheSane | end and myself are merely making educated guesses as to why that decision has already been made |
| 10:17.03 | Dagmar | It's like the difference between dolls and "action figures" |
| 10:17.07 | Adys | no |
| 10:17.09 | Adys | take it back to the start |
| 10:17.15 | Thunder_Child | yes, but as long as you know what i am talking about communication is working |
| 10:17.17 | Adys | you asked why i thought it could be dangerous |
| 10:17.23 | Adys | i stated why i thought it could be dangerous |
| 10:17.38 | Adys | your question got answered, you didn't like my answered, you went all "but Im right" |
| 10:17.50 | Adys | -ed |
| 10:18.06 | End | I didn't ask did I? |
| 10:18.15 | Adys | [12:04:48] <End> how is it dangerous? |
| 10:18.30 | Adys | unless I missed some freaky nickchange it was you asking. |
| 10:18.40 | End | no |
| 10:18.50 | End | I thought you were referring to live when you were asking that though |
| 10:18.52 | End | which confused me |
| 10:19.49 | End | anyhow, like I said |
| 10:20.05 | End | if the queue was going to slow, it doesn't matter |
| 10:20.21 | End | too* |
| 10:20.50 | Adys | Fisker-: http://devcub.com/~adys/refund.jpg |
| 10:20.51 | Adys | hur hur |
| 10:21.40 | Fisker- | SPLOITZ? |
| 10:21.40 | Adys | no, more like "there goes my bunch of badges" |
| 10:21.51 | Fisker- | oh |
| 10:22.00 | Adys | although |
| 10:22.03 | Fisker- | i had hoped it would've gotten you the badges and you could buy it back ;D |
| 10:22.09 | Adys | I can see it being easy to get the Epic achievement |
| 10:22.13 | Fisker- | we should do naxx, port out and check if we can get a refund :P |
| 10:22.21 | Adys | course not |
| 10:22.26 | Adys | works like duration flags |
| 10:22.53 | Adys | just buy stuff, equip it, sell it back |
| 10:22.57 | Adys | and there you got your free ach |
| 10:23.01 | Fisker- | omg yes |
| 10:23.06 | Fisker- | you can buy libram of radiance for valor |
| 10:23.45 | Adys | oh, they finally fixed the HH mount+mammoth thing |
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| 10:23.58 | Fisker- | :/ |
| 10:24.48 | Thunder_Child | is there really no green gems from wrath? |
| 10:25.01 | NightHawkTheSane | huh? |
| 10:25.04 | Adys | there are |
| 10:25.06 | Adys | plenty |
| 10:25.22 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=3.4#0-2+1 |
| 10:25.27 | Thunder_Child | am i missing something? |
| 10:25.43 | Adys | oh THOSE green gems |
| 10:25.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: yes... http://www.wowhead.com/?items=3.4&filter=cr=131;crs=1;crv=0 |
| 10:25.58 | Thunder_Child | ya sorry, socket color |
| 10:26.02 | End | I'm still confused |
| 10:26.18 | Thunder_Child | but thoes are 80 to the others 100 |
| 10:26.29 | Fisker- | i can refund my t7 just fine :o |
| 10:26.37 | Adys | Fisker-: eh? |
| 10:26.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: eh? |
| 10:26.49 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 10:26.49 | End | ilvl doesn't mean much |
| 10:26.52 | Adys | Shirik: eh? |
| 10:26.56 | Fisker- | the one i bought from badges |
| 10:26.57 | Thunder_Child | really? |
| 10:26.57 | Shirik | ? |
| 10:27.00 | Shirik | what |
| 10:27.02 | Thunder_Child | i thought ilvl mattered? |
| 10:27.03 | Fisker- | i just right clicked it and it asked if i wanted a refund |
| 10:27.10 | End | for gems? no |
| 10:27.16 | Adys | Fisker-: does it have a sell price? |
| 10:27.19 | Adys | the thing |
| 10:27.20 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 10:27.21 | Adys | the currency thing |
| 10:27.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: er.. other gem colors have the same ilvls? |
| 10:27.35 | Dagmar | Well, gems sort nicely by ilvl, but that's about it |
| 10:27.45 | Thunder_Child | i meant the ones from sunwell have higher ilvl's |
| 10:27.54 | Thunder_Child | just thought it was odd |
| 10:28.14 | NightHawkTheSane | oh |
| 10:28.14 | End | they don't budget from the ilvl though |
| 10:28.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, thats pretty meaningless, actually |
| 10:28.24 | End | so the ilvl is just a random number they decided to use |
| 10:28.47 | NightHawkTheSane | it -is- odd, yes... but probably represents a shift in their ilvl policy more than anything else |
| 10:29.42 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: aficionado btw =) |
| 10:35.40 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, thanks but telling me the correct spelling is something of a waste of time |
| 10:35.55 | Thunder_Child | however if it makes you feel good, then by all means have fun |
| 10:36.49 | Dagmar | I'm serious about the sorting, tho |
| 10:38.04 | Dagmar | Their "strength", non-budgeted or not, definitely follows that sort order |
| 10:39.58 | Dagmar | http://thottbot.com/?gem=All#A:::-6 |
| 10:41.10 | Adys | Hey |
| 10:41.13 | Adys | any hunter on ptr? |
| 10:41.16 | Adys | attuned to MC |
| 10:41.26 | Adys | i "hear" core hounds are tamable |
| 10:41.53 | Adys | (unless thats not actually new) |
| 10:41.54 | Dagmar | Dude they've BEEN tamable |
| 10:41.57 | Dagmar | Where have you been |
| 10:42.01 | Wobin | since 3.0 |
| 10:42.05 | Adys | the actual MC core hounds? |
| 10:42.07 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 10:42.17 | Pizik_afk | Exotic pet talent? |
| 10:42.19 | Dagmar | If you're man enough to handle them for 30 seconds you get to keep it |
| 10:42.30 | Adys | hm had the feeling they werent |
| 10:42.35 | Dagmar | ...but they're no different from any other red core hound |
| 10:42.37 | Adys | yeah i can handle a core hound for 30 seconds |
| 10:42.39 | Adys | .. as a mage |
| 10:43.01 | Dagmar | I'm talking about the tame pet skill |
| 10:43.09 | Adys | i know |
| 10:43.25 | Pizik_afk | Blizz shouldn't have homogenised the pets IMO :oS |
| 10:43.28 | Dagmar | Basically, ice traps notwithstanding, they amount to you tanking a wild animal for 30s and not dying to win |
| 10:43.47 | Dagmar | Well, theyre not homogenized anymore |
| 10:44.13 | Pizik_afk | all vital stats are the same though |
| 10:44.26 | Wobin | or you can go get kurgen |
| 10:44.34 | Dagmar | Umm... no |
| 10:44.43 | Adys | is indalamar a blizz employee now? |
| 10:45.08 | Shirik | Adys What did you want |
| 10:45.15 | Dagmar | Personally I'm fine with the green ones you get in outlands |
| 10:45.15 | Adys | Shirik: hot sex with you |
| 10:45.18 | Shirik | ..? |
| 10:46.45 | Thunder_Child | you act surprised Shirik, but deep down we know you are dooing cartwheels |
| 10:46.50 | Thunder_Child | doing* |
| 10:47.38 | Dagmar | I was pretty sure my monkey has way more armor than my wolf |
| 10:48.49 | Pizik_afk | Dagmar: I meant Pet species. All Cats are homogenised, all Gorillas are Homoginised |
| 10:49.33 | Pizik_afk | At one time if you tamed an Elite Cat, it was better than a normal cat, reflecting the difficulty of taming it |
| 10:49.47 | Dagmar | You can have the useful DPS talents on them, or you can make them tanks |
| 10:50.09 | Dagmar | Pfft. Hunters can't have 'elite' pets. You keep them too long |
| 10:50.21 | Dagmar | They did that in beta and it didn't accomplish anything |
| 10:50.25 | Pizik_afk | Dagmar: We used to be able to ;op |
| 10:50.47 | Dagmar | I would have liked them to stay the SIZE they were when you first saw them, but |
| 10:50.49 | Pizik_afk | around 2.0 they were homogenised I believe |
| 10:51.03 | Wobin | that was a long time ago |
| 10:51.12 | Dagmar | I didnt' care for the pokemon collecting aspect |
| 10:51.18 | Dagmar | Very glad to see that gone |
| 10:51.26 | Pizik_afk | Wobin: I can still be bitter about it ;op |
| 10:51.53 | Dagmar | But still now you can take a gorilla and spec him to do damage or spec him to tank, although part of that practically requires being a BM for exotic pets |
| 10:51.53 | Wobin | pgty |
| 10:51.54 | Wobin | pft |
| 10:52.16 | Dagmar | ...although you're better off going with a ferocity pet for DPS. |
| 10:52.23 | Pizik_afk | True, but why would you not be BM ;op |
| 10:52.48 | Dagmar | I dunno. If I were the excitable type like a lot of people I'd have gone SV |
| 10:53.02 | Dagmar | I just prefer having the meaner pet |
| 10:53.30 | Pizik_afk | Never tried that myself, been BM from the start, with a -very- small amount of MM to try it in arenas at 70 |
| 10:53.33 | Wobin | cause BM is nerfy atm |
| 10:53.39 | Wobin | and SV is the higher dps |
| 10:53.44 | Dagmar | By a thin margin |
| 10:54.01 | Dagmar | ...and 3.1 is shaping up |
| 10:54.03 | Wobin | It's generally easier on SV |
| 10:54.12 | Wobin | due to reduced requirement for pet management on bosses |
| 10:54.23 | Pizik_afk | well, I currently don't play WoW, but being max DPS has never bothered me, I do more solo and hardly raid |
| 10:54.36 | Wobin | Pizik_afk: Then be whatever you want to be =) |
| 10:54.48 | Wobin | SV is the current raiding choice |
| 10:54.51 | Pizik_afk | I will ;op |
| 10:55.32 | Dagmar | Frankly I like slapping mobs around with the pet |
| 10:56.34 | Dagmar | If something starts going after the healer in an instance, I can generally get that pet in the way before anyone else |
| 10:57.49 | Pizik_afk | Aye, that is the benefit I find most useful when in an instance |
| 10:58.14 | Pizik_afk | You always get that occasion when you have "Tank phail" |
| 10:58.22 | mikma | hmm yeah. all hunter raiders are survival now |
| 10:58.40 | mikma | it whacks 1k+ dps more than BM |
| 10:58.52 | Dagmar | Not at the levels most players are at |
| 10:58.57 | Pizik_afk | when 3.0 came out BM had max DPS? |
| 10:59.08 | mikma | ya |
| 10:59.11 | Dagmar | BM had *sick* DPS but not against single targets |
| 10:59.21 | mikma | they nerfed bm and now sv is better |
| 10:59.22 | Pizik_afk | I know petss were nerfed badly since |
| 10:59.35 | Dagmar | Thunderstomp got a little change that was mildly ill advised, and they finally took the rubber nipples off of Volley |
| 10:59.43 | mikma | volley, volley, volley, volley |
| 10:59.55 | Dagmar | So, suddenly we could stand around with a monkey tanking and do more DPS than a tricked out mage on a blizzard binge |
| 11:00.04 | Dagmar | My GF was *pissed* |
| 11:00.14 | Pizik_afk | Gah! I hate the whole volley thing, |
| 11:00.31 | Dagmar | It was ludicrously overpowered |
| 11:00.37 | mikma | pizik_afk: it sucks now, so good |
| 11:00.45 | Dagmar | Against PVE I was tanking 10-12 mobs of my own bloody level at the same time |
| 11:00.45 | Pizik_afk | AoE DPS should not be a Hunters thing, should be left to mages and Locks who want to commit |
| 11:00.55 | mikma | ofc its good with multiple targets |
| 11:01.52 | Dagmar | The worst part was occasionally muffing it, and trying to get my gf to go invis before i feigned out |
| 11:02.02 | Dagmar | Nothing makes your girlfriend happy like you getting her toon wonderstomped |
| 11:02.58 | mikma | lol |
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| 11:04.26 | Dagmar | Thanks to pushback limitations, you can actually often still get away with just tanking them yourself while you volley on your own head |
| 11:04.43 | Dagmar | ...but it was *far* too easy before |
| 11:04.58 | mikma | that change was.. odd |
| 11:05.04 | mikma | good, also bad |
| 11:05.17 | mikma | bad in pvp, good in pve |
| 11:08.36 | Dagmar | I'll keep deterrence, thanks. |
| 11:09.07 | Dagmar | It's good stuff against a lot of bosses |
| 11:12.41 | Dagmar | I swear I think it got me through a lava wave in VoA last week |
| 11:13.05 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/cah_yo_dawg.jpg <- still funny |
| 11:13.47 | mikma | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/march/kologarn2.jpg "right arm" "left arm" :D |
| 11:14.30 | Dagmar | I'm with Mulder. Just turn around and walk away |
| 11:14.48 | Dagmar | Which boss IS that? |
| 11:14.59 | Shirik | night night |
| 11:15.33 | mikma | i'm guessing it's "Kologarn" |
| 11:16.11 | Dagmar | Well, I meant more where he's found actually. |
| 11:16.16 | Dagmar | I'd quite like to stay away from it |
| 11:16.35 | mikma | dagmar: i'm guessing "Ulduar" ;D |
| 11:17.28 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 11:19.52 | Dagmar | Whoa... looks like his arms come off and attack you on their own |
| 11:21.01 | Dagmar | Oh wow I hope to god something like Stone Grip only lands on the OT |
| 11:21.08 | Pizik_afk | [11:05:54] <mikma> bad in pvp, good in pve <--- Only because you are always on the "good" side in PvE ;op |
| 11:21.44 | mikma | .. and the point is? |
| 11:23.07 | Pizik_afk | The point is, you think it is bad because it can be used against you ;o) |
| 11:23.10 | Dagmar | It makes a certain heroic a real bugger if you bring a tree along |
| 11:23.16 | Dagmar | ...and don't have Aimed Shot |
| 11:24.06 | mikma | pizik_afk: i'm certainly not the only one who thinks that way, it's bad change keeping pvp in mind, and good change keeping pve in mind |
| 11:24.35 | Pizik_afk | push back changes? |
| 11:24.48 | Pizik_afk | (I missed the start of this) |
| 11:25.19 | Dagmar | You know how when you cast a channeled spell before getting hit would kill it? |
| 11:25.29 | Dagmar | Now it just drops it's duration to 50% |
| 11:25.35 | Pizik_afk | I used to love killing locks using a snake trap and my pet to stop them casting almost anything |
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| 11:25.54 | Dagmar | So basically, unless they actually really hit you hard, you can stand there and still cast Volley while all the mobs are pounding on you |
| 11:25.57 | Pizik_afk | Yeah Dagmar, I know the change, just missed the start of this topic ;o) |
| 11:26.05 | Dagmar | It just costs double the mana to keep it going |
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| 11:44.05 | Thunder_Child | before i took my break from wow i would always remember reagents....now i cant remember worth a damn |
| 11:44.42 | mikma | StealYourCarbon ... |
| 11:45.00 | Thunder_Child | was that at me mikma? |
| 11:46.08 | Thunder_Child | as nice as that sounds it doesnt help if i never go to the vendor |
| 11:46.17 | Thunder_Child | which i dont |
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| 11:47.12 | mikma | lol |
| 11:47.17 | mikma | now there's your problem! |
| 11:48.22 | Thunder_Child | ~ugt |
| 11:48.23 | purl | [ugt] Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 11:49.03 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/03/06/funny-pictures-iz-2am-feed-me/ |
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| 12:07.25 | Fisker- | ~uft |
| 12:07.26 | purl | Universal Fisker Time, it's whatever time he says, anyone else will be shot on sight, even if it's the same time as Fisker's time. |
| 12:10.49 | sacarasc | More like uSTFUft. |
| 12:17.17 | Fisker- | make me sacarasc |
| 12:19.26 | Ose | soo... |
| 12:19.52 | Ose | since they added noblegarden to the meta achievement, we're expecting an early aprli patch? |
| 12:21.11 | Codayus | Ose: It's always possible that they added it for next year...but smart money says they'll at least push a mini-patch out. |
| 12:21.22 | Ose | ok |
| 12:21.26 | Thunder_Child | meh, april is to soon for me |
| 12:21.29 | Thunder_Child | make it later |
| 12:21.37 | Codayus | They've done that before - tested a holiday as part of a "big" patch on the PTR, then pushed a small one live with just the holiday stuff. |
| 12:21.51 | Ose | but I need the achievement |
| 12:21.54 | Codayus | Yeah... |
| 12:23.15 | Ose | i've done so much to get all of the eariler ones, I won't let this ruin it :P |
| 12:23.43 | Codayus | Speaking of which, it's funny - there's been an outcry more-or-less since Wrath launched that the Brew of the Year achievement needed to be dropped from the meta (since it takes a year longer than every other achievement, if you started at Wrath launch). |
| 12:24.43 | Codayus | Bliz has been ADAMANT that it would stay...blues have repeated that several times, argued with people, explained their logic. Lots of people said there was no way they'd stick to that. Official 3.1 patch notes say it's being removed. |
| 12:24.54 | Codayus | Bliz can be awfully predictable at times... :-) |
| 12:25.19 | Ose | lol |
| 12:25.47 | Ose | well, time has shown that organized (or just relly massive) whine gets things done |
| 12:25.57 | Ose | both in wow and in other places |
| 12:26.34 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 12:27.21 | Codayus | I admit, I'm a bit biased because I did the first Brewfest event, but skipped the second year because the first one was so boring - so I never joined the Brew of the Month Club, but I am trying for the purple drake. |
| 12:27.42 | End | hrmph |
| 12:27.46 | cbreak | it's a yearly event |
| 12:27.48 | End | no yellow gems |
| 12:27.49 | End | weird |
| 12:28.54 | Codayus | It'd be annoying to have every achievment but that one, and have to just wait 12 months for the beer to come in the mail... |
| 12:33.26 | mikma | *NOW* i know why it takes so long to get proper patches in wow! I found them! http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_030709_143149.jpg |
| 12:33.36 | Thunder_Child | waiting is good for the soul |
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| 12:45.25 | Thunder_Child | lua> 75/2*3 |
| 12:45.25 | lua_bot | Thunder_Child: 112.5 |
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| 13:00.54 | Ose | muh |
| 13:01.08 | Ose | any suggestions? |
| 13:01.47 | mikma | umm, test Discorc mods |
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| 13:07.13 | Thunder_Child | it would be nice if instances and dailys rolled over at the same time |
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| 13:22.33 | Spellbinder | I've been at "The Scandinavian Sci-Fi, Game & Film Convention" today, and YODA was there! Pics---> http://forums.mapcore.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13492&p=231244#p231244 |
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| 14:57.10 | Wobin | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/03/03/funny-pictures-im-ok/ |
| 14:57.34 | Lopeppeppy | Whooopsies. |
| 14:57.54 | mikma | hehe |
| 14:59.08 | mikma | so i have 4 values, how can i get the highest one of them with lua? |
| 15:00.40 | mikma | math.max most likely, lets see |
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| 15:30.41 | mikma | fisker-: boo, boooo |
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| 15:52.51 | mikma | why, WHY do the buttons have the annoying NormalTexture, which also happens to go OVER the button "limits" |
| 15:53.11 | mikma | ActionButton1:GetTop() will return different value than ActionButton1NormalTexture:GetTop() |
| 15:53.41 | mikma | and if i use ActionButton1:SetPoint(...) the NORMALTEXTURE will go over the freaking point i set it |
| 15:53.48 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.48 | Xinhuan | because the button (texture) is visibly larger than its "mouseover" active clickable area (the button) |
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| 16:07.15 | Olorin` | Having trouble with the UIDropDownMenu_SetSelectedValue function, if i use UIDropDownMenu_SetSelectedValue(DDItemSlotMenu, 0) then UIDropDownMenu_SetSelectedValue(DDItemSubTypeMenu, 0) for example it puts the first entry in the dropdown for the dditemslotmenu as the value in the dditemsubtypemenu too |
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| 16:28.32 | mikma | this is really really hard, also possibly stupid. trying to create automatically resizing frames is... |
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| 16:49.13 | AbsolutRayne | Morning all |
| 16:49.50 | |Jelly| | amg hai |
| 16:50.40 | AbsolutRayne | Snowing like crazy out @_@ wtf |
| 16:51.21 | Lopeppeppy | Hah! |
| 16:51.26 | Lopeppeppy | I have all the sunshine, none for you! |
| 16:51.27 | Lopeppeppy | Hah! |
| 16:51.33 | AbsolutRayne | >: |
| 16:51.35 | AbsolutRayne | Pep |
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| 16:54.54 | Lopeppeppy | I know, I'm mean. *hugs* |
| 16:55.30 | Spellbinder | Lopeppeppy you hug us all? |
| 16:57.03 | mikma | huh. quick question. Who is Alexander Yoshi |
| 16:57.33 | Spellbinder | /whois |
| 16:57.40 | Spellbinder | or google |
| 16:58.05 | mikma | kinda looking the connecting nickname :) |
| 16:58.12 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, he's an awesome dude. |
| 16:58.27 | Lopeppeppy | ~hug Spellshaper |
| 16:58.27 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Spellshaper and suddenly hugs Spellshaper tightly |
| 16:58.34 | Lopeppeppy | ~hug Spellbinder |
| 16:58.34 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Spellbinder and suddenly hugs Spellbinder tightly |
| 16:58.55 | cbreak | ~hug purl |
| 16:58.56 | purl | ACTION hugs purl tightly until purl turns slightly blue |
| 16:58.57 | Spellbinder | the tightly one is the best |
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| 17:03.40 | Aelobin | gawd i'm teh sechs |
| 17:04.11 | Spellbinder | not if you are a male |
| 17:05.05 | Aelobin | who knows ;) |
| 17:05.13 | Aelobin | i certainly don't |
| 17:06.51 | Spellbinder | i dunno either do i care |
| 17:07.22 | Spellbinder | but if i will think of some one being the sechs it has to be a she |
| 17:08.00 | cbreak | 6? |
| 17:09.32 | Spellbinder | 6 isn't sechs in US |
| 17:09.45 | Spellbinder | 6 is only sechs in swe |
| 17:14.16 | Cairenn|afk | mikma: one of the original creators of Cosmos, worked for Blizz for a number of years now |
| 17:14.27 | mikma | cairenn|afk: ok, thanks :) |
| 17:14.35 | Cairenn|afk | mikma: you're welcome :) |
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| 17:38.17 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly is the lifebloom change? |
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| 17:39.05 | Stanzilla | Lifebloom: Mana cost of all ranks doubled. When Lifebloom blooms or is dispelled, it now refunds half the base mana cost of the spell per application of Lifebloom, and the heal effect is multiplied by the number of applications. |
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| 17:39.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Per application? ie, if I hit it 20 times, it'd refund the mana for 10? |
| 17:39.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Or per stack? |
| 17:44.21 | foxlit | per stack. |
| 17:44.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That makes more sense |
| 17:45.04 | foxlit | application == stack, anyway |
| 17:45.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Ignite: The damage done by this talent no longer receives modifications from effects that increase or decrease damage done by a percentage. |
| 17:45.33 | ScytheBlade1 | wow wtf |
| 17:45.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That was unneeded |
| 17:45.49 | foxlit | The trick being that if you cast LB at someone who already has a stack of 3, you don't apply another application |
| 17:46.02 | foxlit | Meh, they thought it was needed :) |
| 17:46.17 | ScytheBlade1 | What class do you play? A retadin? :P |
| 17:46.18 | Stanzilla | they did the same for deep wounds |
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| 17:46.27 | Stanzilla | and it only matters on 2 fights..malygos and thaddius :P |
| 17:48.01 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm, goes to show why I shouldn't qq when I just woke up with a migraine |
| 17:48.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought that meant talent based multipliers also |
| 17:48.20 | foxlit | SB: nope. |
| 17:48.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay that makes more sense |
| 17:48.49 | foxlit | I also think the LB change is a step in the awesome direction, and that the DK mitigation timer changes are good. |
| 17:49.02 | foxlit | Does that help you narrow down the list of possible classes? :) |
| 17:49.22 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:49.39 | Spellbinder | damn im a horny 47 year old and foxlit looks sexy and i bet its a guy |
| 17:52.05 | Stanzilla | :O |
| 17:52.51 | Lopeppeppy | TMI |
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| 17:55.24 | Spellbinder | whats a TMI? Can i play with it? |
| 17:56.27 | Lopeppeppy | Only if you prefer to not have fingers. |
| 17:56.33 | zenzelezz | by the time you get TMI, you've already played too much |
| 17:57.02 | Lopeppeppy | It's such a tossup whom I'd most like to see develop a mature personality. |
| 17:57.30 | Spellbinder | then toss and get it out of your system |
| 17:57.54 | Spellbinder | i still not get the abbrevation TMI, maybe i should google it |
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| 17:58.31 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 17:58.42 | Lopeppeppy | Spellbinder, you aren't as stupid as you like to pretend, which makes you easily the most failed troll I've met, after Fisker and Thunder Child, who tie for first place. |
| 17:59.13 | Lopeppeppy | For this reason, I need a different client other than Trillian. I've heard good things about Pidgin (sp?), does anyone use it? |
| 17:59.14 | batbot | Lopeppeppy, Pidgin is correct. |
| 17:59.21 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, batbot. |
| 18:00.15 | Spellbinder | oh nonono i am not atroll pls, and i dont consider myself stupid, it just some times i just don't know what you are talking about, especially when it comes to abbrevations |
| 18:00.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Spellbinder: then let me tell you why you got that reaction |
| 18:00.56 | Spellbinder | go for it |
| 18:01.27 | ScytheBlade1 | < Spellbinder> damn im a horny 47 year old and foxlit looks sexy and i bet its a guy <-- there are about 2 people here who can say such things and get away with it, you are not one of them. Keep it a bit more clean in here |
| 18:01.32 | ScytheBlade1 | (Joking or otherwise) |
| 18:02.40 | foxlit | You hear that, Fisker-? That was our license to troll being renewed! |
| 18:02.51 | foxlit | s/ o/ yo/ |
| 18:03.25 | Spellbinder | ScytheBlade1 ah i'm sorry, yes it was a joke, works in some channels not here i get it, i have a tendency to joke, but if that kind of jokes is not acceptable here i will follow the rules |
| 18:03.44 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, Sbo. I still think of you every time I drive pass that housing complex on my way home.... |
| 18:03.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: I vote we give you a +o. It'd be a much more entertaining channel. :) |
| 18:04.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Spellbinder: the rules here are.. lax. Don't worry too much about it, but please watch it just a bit more. :) |
| 18:04.46 | Spellbinder | will do |
| 18:05.39 | Spellbinder | all though i have been discribed as a bit obnoxious, i do however been on IRC since 98-99 so i usually survive |
| 18:05.49 | Spellbinder | described? |
| 18:05.55 | ScytheBlade1 | e, yes |
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| 18:06.11 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 18:06.18 | Spellbinder | i'm also swede and can't spell even if i am Spellbinder |
| 18:06.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:06.41 | Spellbinder | ;) |
| 18:06.47 | Spellbinder | thats what i wanted |
| 18:06.49 | Spellbinder | the lol |
| 18:07.14 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, thanks, but I prefer Cairenn's more gentle hand. I have the redhead temper, whee! |
| 18:07.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That's kinda the point ;) |
| 18:08.18 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Lopeppeppy] by Cairenn |
| 18:08.35 | Spellbinder | oh and may i also say i'm sorry to foxlit for the remark, but i am still 47 and i have urges and i maybe should stop noiw lol, sorry foxlit |
| 18:08.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Bam! |
| 18:09.42 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-o Cairenn] by Cairenn |
| 18:09.53 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, now I really have to behave! |
| 18:10.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Phew |
| 18:10.08 | ScytheBlade1 | At least Cairenn's reign of terror has ended |
| 18:10.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: no you don't |
| 18:10.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: well now you're just a regular so you're definitely not entertaining :p |
| 18:13.07 | Lopeppeppy | Iriel, help, make it stop! :) |
| 18:13.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: you've got the +o |
| 18:13.51 | Lopeppeppy | Doesn't mean I know any commands, ScytheBlade1. Trillian doesn't interface well with IRC. |
| 18:13.55 | Iriel | Lopeppeppy: Indeed, my stick is no bigger than yours... |
| 18:13.55 | Iriel | err... |
| 18:14.12 | ScytheBlade1 | .......................... |
| 18:14.17 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 18:14.47 | Spellbinder | if i may, mIRC is the way to go, a clean client, you make it to what you want it |
| 18:15.27 | Spellbinder | and theres only one place to dl it, www.mirc.com |
| 18:15.45 | Spellbinder | clean simple, you make it what you want |
| 18:16.34 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Cairenn] by Lopeppeppy |
| 18:16.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ALL HAIL CAIRENN |
| 18:16.57 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by Lopeppeppy |
| 18:17.03 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-o Lopeppeppy] by Lopeppeppy |
| 18:17.12 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Lopeppeppy] by Cairenn |
| 18:17.15 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-o Cairenn] by Cairenn |
| 18:17.21 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 18:17.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ... haha |
| 18:17.30 | ScytheBlade1 | OP wars, only much more tame |
| 18:17.41 | Spellbinder | \o/ Cairenn |
| 18:17.58 | Cairenn | real op wars only happen when Dolby and I get going, and that's usually on (one of) the site(s) |
| 18:18.23 | Lopeppeppy | I could never fight with Dolby! *gasp* |
| 18:18.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: know what you should do? Kick Dolby |
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| 18:19.46 | Lopeppeppy | Dolby could punt me over the moon without breaking a sweat! |
| 18:20.02 | ScytheBlade1 | You could do the same to him. |
| 18:20.03 | Cairenn | well, he's either asleep or out |
| 18:20.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Just saying. |
| 18:21.21 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. I wonder how this works... |
| 18:21.45 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [ScytheBlade1!n=Lopeppep@cpe-69-204-134-64.nycap.res.rr.com] by Lopeppeppy (Kick) |
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| 18:21.53 | Cairenn | hahahah |
| 18:21.54 | Lopeppeppy | Oops. That's not what I meant to do! |
| 18:21.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That's totally a badge of honor |
| 18:22.48 | Lopeppeppy | You shouldn't encourage the gnome to play with the jolly candylike button, ScytheBlade1. |
| 18:22.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Wasn't the point of this so that you would? ;) |
| 18:25.57 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs* You're awesome. |
| 18:26.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Now that I'm done with that ego trip of being awesome |
| 18:26.25 | ScytheBlade1 | afk drugs! |
| 18:26.35 | Cairenn | 'nother migraine? |
| 18:26.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Woke up with it |
| 18:27.01 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, he said he woke up with one. |
| 18:27.06 | Cairenn | :( |
| 18:27.13 | ScytheBlade1 | sok |
| 18:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Still have a refill on the lortab! |
| 18:27.23 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.44 | ScytheBlade1 | heh. White noise machine would do nothing |
| 18:28.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Points for effort but really, this place is just *loud* and there is nothing to be done about it |
| 18:28.22 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.50 | AnduinLothar | i have a loud fridge, would that work? |
| 18:30.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Only if it can drown out the sound of six teenage girls and their friends running around and watching DVDs at absurd volume levels |
| 18:31.52 | AnduinLothar | could sell them off. get more money for them when they're teens |
| 18:32.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I offer that to pretty much everyone I meet |
| 18:32.12 | ScytheBlade1 | "I've got a few spare sisters, want one?" |
| 18:32.40 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, refills are needed |
| 18:32.41 | Lopeppeppy | noise canceling headphones for the win |
| 18:32.55 | Dagmar | Pet 'em to work farmin! |
| 18:33.01 | Dagmar | s/Pet/put/; |
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| 18:33.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: the thing about such headphones are that they only block out sounds headed to the ears. They do nothing about crap loud to the point where you can hear it through any point in your skull |
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| 18:41.41 | Adys | ~lart Kalroth |
| 18:41.41 | purl | stuffs Kalroth into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
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| 18:56.46 | Adys | Kalroth!? |
| 18:56.50 | Kalroth | :( |
| 18:56.58 | Kalroth | y r u h8ing |
| 18:56.59 | Adys | ~whalesquare Kalroth |
| 18:57.01 | purl | ACTION throws Bob, a gogolplex-sized whale, at Kalroth annihilating its very reality through an infinite overflow generated by the constant squaring of its own body. |
| 18:57.07 | Adys | Im not |
| 18:57.14 | Kalroth | ~whalesquirt Adys |
| 18:57.32 | Adys | doesnt work. |
| 18:57.44 | Kalroth | :( |
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| 19:41.26 | Tem | uhh |
| 19:42.10 | Lopeppeppy | Yeeeees? |
| 19:44.26 | Tem | You have lost the title Doloros the Twilight Vanquisher |
| 19:44.33 | Tem | You have lost the title Doloros the Undying |
| 19:44.44 | Tem | You have lost the title Doloros, Champion of the Frozen Wastes |
| 19:44.48 | Tem | what gives? |
| 19:44.57 | alestane | Where? On live? |
| 19:45.12 | Dagmar | You just copied your toon didn't you |
| 19:45.15 | zenzelezz | Tem was hit by the nerf bat |
| 19:45.36 | Tem | I did, Dagmar |
| 19:45.43 | Tem | did they reset achievements or something? |
| 19:45.59 | Dagmar | So what part of "we're not copying achievement information to the PTR to speed the character copying process along" did you miss |
| 19:46.20 | Dagmar | They're just flat out not bothering with copying achievement data to the PTR copy of your toon |
| 19:47.46 | Tem | all of it |
| 19:47.46 | foxlit | the news is that you apparently lose titles if you lose the achievements |
| 19:47.58 | Gnarfoz | which makes sense |
| 19:47.59 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 19:48.14 | foxlit | Meh, or maybe it does not |
| 19:48.21 | foxlit | You'd think that the title storage is separate. |
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| 19:48.42 | Gnarfoz | no, I wouldn't :P |
| 19:49.00 | foxlit | Why not? |
| 19:49.02 | cbreak | yo eth |
| 19:49.09 | foxlit | Titles have been around a lot longer than achievements. |
| 19:49.22 | Gnarfoz | funny how they added slashcommands to do UIERROSFRAME:UnregisterEvent("UI_ERROR") (or whatever) |
| 19:49.26 | Tem | I got to keep my proto drake |
| 19:50.10 | Etherus | hey everyone |
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| 19:50.18 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by Lopeppeppy |
| 19:50.21 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-o Lopeppeppy] by Lopeppeppy |
| 19:50.36 | Lopeppeppy | Ha, got her while she wasn't around to argue! I win! |
| 19:50.39 | Gnarfoz | eh? |
| 19:50.42 | Gnarfoz | xD |
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| 19:51.14 | Gnarfoz | also, +++ 0.1.0.9658/FrameXML/SecureHoverDriver.lua YAY |
| 19:51.19 | Gnarfoz | pallypower can be useful again :D |
| 19:52.04 | foxlit | SecureHoverDriver meeeeh! |
| 19:52.28 | Gnarfoz | also uh-oh |
| 19:52.28 | Gnarfoz | +LOCAL_UpdateFrame:SetScript("OnAttributeCHanged", |
| 19:52.30 | Gnarfoz | typo :p |
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| 19:56.29 | Gnarfoz | also why did they remove all the <OnLeave function="GameTooltip_HideResetCursor"/> style stuff? |
| 19:56.33 | Gnarfoz | because of the hooking issues? |
| 19:57.46 | Tem | any figure out how to even use the gear manager thing? |
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| 19:57.53 | Tem | s/any/anyone/ |
| 19:58.14 | Gnarfoz | you mean how to use the Blizzard one |
| 19:58.21 | Tem | yes |
| 19:58.21 | Gnarfoz | or how to make it do what we want, addon wise |
| 19:58.24 | Gnarfoz | enable it |
| 19:58.28 | Gnarfoz | open character screen |
| 19:58.30 | Tem | addons? |
| 19:58.32 | Gnarfoz | click the armor thingy |
| 19:58.35 | Tem | ah that's my problem |
| 19:58.46 | Gnarfoz | save set |
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| 19:58.57 | Gnarfoz | can't do "template" stuff - to make a set, you have to equip what's gonna be in that set |
| 19:58.57 | Tem | why armor thing? |
| 19:59.12 | Tem | what* |
| 19:59.15 | Tem | I don't see it |
| 19:59.21 | Gnarfoz | dunno, there's an armour thingy in the upper right corner of the paperdollframe |
| 19:59.30 | Gnarfoz | (if you've enabled the gear manager, that is) |
| 19:59.33 | Tem | yeah it's unvisible on mine |
| 19:59.39 | Gnarfoz | can you click it? |
| 19:59.47 | Tem | I haven't enabled it, that's the problem |
| 19:59.51 | Tem | where do I enable it? |
| 19:59.55 | Gnarfoz | interface options |
| 19:59.58 | Tem | sigh, found it |
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| 20:09.56 | Fisker- | you know what we should do Gnarfoz ? |
| 20:10.04 | Gnarfoz | jerk off? |
| 20:10.16 | Fisker- | we should start a business |
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| 20:29.49 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: an enterprise you say |
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| 20:47.26 | Tem | lua> 14062*2*1.5*1.75 |
| 20:47.26 | lua_bot | Tem: 73825.5 |
| 20:47.50 | Tem | lua> 11250*2*1.5*1.75 |
| 20:47.50 | lua_bot | Tem: 59062.5 |
| 20:48.08 | cbreak | lua> 10/0 |
| 20:48.08 | lua_bot | cbreak: inf |
| 20:52.08 | Tem | lua> .96*.98*85*.97--11250*2*1.5*1.75 |
| 20:52.08 | lua_bot | Tem: 77.56896 |
| 20:59.40 | Tem | lua> .96*.98*85*.97*.85*11250*2*1.5*1.75 |
| 20:59.40 | lua_bot | Tem: 3894204.195 |
| 21:00.13 | End | *gasp* |
| 21:00.17 | End | Fisker is reading EJ |
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| 21:16.38 | Gnarfoz | Tem: sarth, hm? ^^ |
| 21:16.59 | Tem | Figuring out the max breath on me in a particular spec |
| 21:17.57 | Gnarfoz | yeah, figured as much ^^ |
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| 21:26.38 | Tekkub | I'm sorry |
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| 21:33.02 | Shirik | rawr |
| 21:33.18 | Syzgyn | moo |
| 21:34.24 | Spellbinder | best ever. listen to the lyrics!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmBiORtHqTs |
| 21:35.40 | NightHawkTheSane | yaaay "A crashing bug involving chat channel commands has been fixed." |
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| 21:40.01 | kd3 | mmm, yay for nice days |
| 21:40.05 | kd3 | upper 70s, a little wind |
| 21:40.12 | kd3 | wouldn't think it's the beginning of march |
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| 21:45.34 | Shirik | Spellbinder: Incorrect, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_BL_DV5waU is best ever |
| 21:45.43 | Shirik | especially around 1:20 or so |
| 21:46.34 | Shirik | Every time I listen to foreign music, I come to the conclusion that all the U.S. singers are horrible |
| 21:47.47 | Pizik_afk | Everytime I listen to US Singers I come to that conclusion ;o) |
| 21:48.45 | Sixen | hrm |
| 21:48.51 | Sixen | KD3, you still posting on PTR forums? |
| 21:48.58 | kd3 | occasionally |
| 21:49.01 | Gnarfoz | everytime someone links non-hd videos on youtube to just show someone music |
| 21:49.09 | Gnarfoz | I die a little inside |
| 21:49.10 | Sixen | Mmm |
| 21:49.13 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: What else can I do |
| 21:49.16 | Shirik | not like I can link real music |
| 21:49.24 | Sixen | The "installation" guide was never posted. |
| 21:49.27 | Gnarfoz | search if there's another vid of it on there that has stero audio :D |
| 21:49.31 | Gnarfoz | stereo even |
| 21:49.42 | Sixen | Oh. Nevermind. |
| 21:49.47 | Shirik | I don't see any |
| 21:49.54 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 21:50.00 | Shirik | it's not like it's a US song where everyone's heard of it |
| 21:50.08 | Gnarfoz | also, you could link real music, but only if you had it, and it'd fell more like piracy! :p |
| 21:50.23 | Gnarfoz | *feel |
| 21:50.24 | Gnarfoz | damnit |
| 21:50.39 | Shirik | Is this better quality? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rkvRIQg488 |
| 21:50.45 | Tem | lol my auth key is 123465 right now |
| 21:50.49 | Shirik | (Attached to a FF video though) |
| 21:50.52 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 21:51.10 | Gnarfoz | sounds clearer |
| 21:51.57 | Gnarfoz | anyway, at least with yt-"hd" videos it's possible to get good audio on yt these days, never can be sure if someone didn't just take low quality audio and re-encoded it with high settings |
| 21:52.04 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 21:52.54 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 21:52.59 | Shirik | that is a really clear video when I turn on high quality |
| 21:53.00 | Shirik | wow |
| 21:53.31 | Gnarfoz | got a google account? |
| 21:53.37 | Gnarfoz | you can set that to be default ;) |
| 21:53.54 | Shirik | I do, but lazy :P |
| 21:53.58 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 21:54.02 | Shirik | I have a youtube account too |
| 21:54.10 | Gnarfoz | waste :( |
| 21:54.24 | Gnarfoz | google = yt these days, you can just log in with google accs anyway |
| 21:54.25 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 21:56.48 | Shirik | hm, I have no Japanese IME on this computer |
| 21:56.50 | Shirik | that is a problem |
| 21:57.44 | Gnarfoz | kind of, yeas |
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| 22:19.53 | Adys | http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=32148 |
| 22:19.56 | Adys | wheres that from? |
| 22:20.42 | Gnarfoz | wowdb.com, apparently |
| 22:21.17 | Gnarfoz | (meaning: shit site doesn't properly filter pserver data :P) |
| 22:21.34 | Gnarfoz | or... something else! |
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| 22:54.25 | Synchro | Ahh finally |
| 22:54.41 | Synchro | A channel about wow ui which is actually filled with people... |
| 22:55.54 | [draco] | kinda |
| 22:56.03 | Synchro | Anyway, anyone here who can introduce me abit into WOWui scripting? I'm lowly experienced with lua, but still have alot of problems with globals. |
| 22:56.30 | Synchro | Likesomewhat, a kickstart so I can start on coding on my own, I already know what I want to achieve and what to get, it's just I can't get the events to register. |
| 22:56.41 | Synchro | Just have problems with globals as I said before :s |
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| 22:57.30 | [draco] | ~wowprogramming |
| 22:57.31 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 22:57.46 | [draco] | might check out that one |
| 22:58.33 | Synchro | I'm bad at learning like that, experiencing is the best way of learning for me, back with Garry's mod looking at other peoples lua kinda helped me, and I've coded for that |
| 22:59.17 | Synchro | But since the syntax in WoW is totally different and looking at other peoples lua in here just confuses me, it would be better for me if someone watched along (if he had time) with vnc and kinda tells me how to solve my problems :) |
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| 22:59.31 | Synchro | Though, I will not hesitate to check those sites. |
| 23:00.02 | [draco] | If you have a specific problem with some code of yours, pastey it somewhere |
| 23:00.10 | Synchro | I've already checked the WoWwiki several times and know what functions I need, it's just I need to hook them with RegisterEvent, but don't exactly know how to do that. |
| 23:00.10 | [draco] | link it here and describe your problem |
| 23:00.17 | Synchro | Pastebin? |
| 23:00.28 | [draco] | yeah, e.g. |
| 23:00.34 | [draco] | there's one linked in the topic |
| 23:00.38 | [draco] | wowuidev.pastey.net |
| 23:05.06 | Synchro | Sec, let me premake the code |
| 23:05.22 | Synchro | I know most of the variables, but don't know the globals for WoW, like what functions it calls when the lua gets loaded etc. |
| 23:05.48 | Gnarfoz | can anyone remember what "Reduce Input Lag" actually does? |
| 23:06.58 | Shirik | It has something to do with the mouse |
| 23:07.31 | [draco] | afaik it smoothes the mouse's movement, doesn't it? |
| 23:07.38 | Gnarfoz | how could it |
| 23:07.41 | [draco] | like, interpolating |
| 23:07.41 | Gnarfoz | hardware cursor :D |
| 23:08.14 | Synchro | Yeah hardware cursor |
| 23:08.26 | Synchro | Try doing unlagfix 0 on Counter strike source for example |
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| 23:08.35 | Synchro | When you turn, it has a delay |
| 23:08.44 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 23:08.52 | Gnarfoz | I wasn't asking what hardware cursor does :p |
| 23:08.53 | Synchro | For example, move your mouse to the right, depending on the latency you have towards the server it will react. |
| 23:09.00 | Synchro | It's the same situation. |
| 23:09.03 | Gnarfoz | +OPTION_TOOLTIP_FIX_LAG = "Enabling this reduces user interface lag, but may drastically reduce frame rates."; <-- because of this in the latest PTR diffs |
| 23:09.18 | Synchro | I have it on. |
| 23:09.23 | Synchro | Got a decent computer. |
| 23:09.31 | Gnarfoz | bluntly: you don't know what you're talking about |
| 23:09.53 | Gnarfoz | I'm asking about a "fix input lag" option in wow, there is a totally separate "hardware cursor" checkbox :O |
| 23:10.02 | Shirik | It makes a differene of going from 40fps -> 30fps in Dalaran for me |
| 23:10.03 | Gnarfoz | it's also "UI input lag" |
| 23:10.04 | Shirik | when enabled |
| 23:10.13 | Synchro | :/ |
| 23:10.32 | Shirik | just saying Gnarfoz, I'm pretty sure it had something to do with the mouse |
| 23:10.34 | Shirik | what, I can't remember |
| 23:10.44 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: exactly, all the tooltips read "may affect performance" before, now they included wording as to how much |
| 23:10.46 | Shirik | (I would like to point out I never said it was hardware cursor, for the record ;) ) |
| 23:11.06 | Gnarfoz | I know, I did, as a rebuttal to [draco]'s suggestion |
| 23:11.20 | Gnarfoz | but then, I'm the one asking wth this option does, so maybe I'm wrong, too :D |
| 23:11.42 | [draco] | I'm not at all sure |
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| 23:11.53 | [draco] | just thought I heard something like that. |
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| 23:13.15 | Gnarfoz | (for reference, the new hardware cursor checkbox tooltip reads: +OPTION_TOOLTIP_HARDWARE_CURSOR = "Enable this option for a more responsive cursor unless you have cursor problems.";) |
| 23:13.24 | Gnarfoz | also fucking Randall Munroe! |
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| 23:19.30 | Synchro | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/109677 |
| 23:19.33 | Synchro | The bin as promised |
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| 23:28.13 | kneeki | Is there a way to adjust a frame.texture level? |
| 23:30.01 | Synchro | Has anyone looked at my bin yet? |
| 23:31.27 | Synchro | :/ |
| 23:33.34 | kneeki | Synchro: Paste it again, what's the problem? |
| 23:34.23 | Synchro | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/109677 |
| 23:34.32 | Synchro | Global error, described at the top |
| 23:34.37 | Synchro | I don't know what I'm missing. |
| 23:35.07 | kneeki | Well, did you ever create 'Themes'? |
| 23:35.17 | kneeki | And what line is that error from? |
| 23:35.25 | Synchro | WoW. |
| 23:35.26 | Synchro | Ingame. |
| 23:35.35 | Synchro | Line 7, top |
| 23:35.43 | Synchro | function Themes:Onload() |
| 23:35.47 | Synchro | OnInitialize* |
| 23:36.00 | kneeki | Do you have a frame named 'Themes'? |
| 23:36.11 | Synchro | Nope, don't know what you're on about |
| 23:36.14 | Synchro | Explain? |
| 23:36.24 | Synchro | Btw |
| 23:36.36 | Synchro | I've been looking at other peoples lua in WoW, I've got lua experience from Garrysmod so.. |
| 23:36.37 | cbreak | Themes.Onload(Themes) |
| 23:36.40 | cbreak | does that make any sense? |
| 23:36.44 | Synchro | Somewhat. |
| 23:37.00 | cbreak | it's equivalent to what you pasted |
| 23:37.23 | Synchro | Still confused, should I put that on the top or? |
| 23:37.36 | Synchro | :S |
| 23:37.49 | NightHawkTheSane | if you never created a Themes object.. it'll be nil when you try to create functions inside it |
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| 23:37.55 | kneeki | The error you are getting is because Themes does nto exist |
| 23:38.08 | Synchro | So I should create a function called themes? |
| 23:38.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lua |
| 23:38.11 | purl | Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. Its name is derived from the Latin word "Luna" which means "moon". |
| 23:38.13 | cbreak | what is Themes? |
| 23:38.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ read |
| 23:38.18 | cbreak | is it a table? |
| 23:38.25 | kneeki | Put a 'local Themes = CreateFrame("Frame", "Themes") |
| 23:38.36 | cbreak | put in Themes= {} |
| 23:38.36 | kneeki | before those functions, and see what happens |
| 23:38.46 | kneeki | Or, if it's a table, do what cbreak says |
| 23:38.47 | cbreak | creating a frame is a waste of time and memory |
| 23:38.53 | Synchro | I know how to work with tables. |
| 23:38.55 | Synchro | It's not a table. |
| 23:38.58 | cbreak | if you don't need it as a frame |
| 23:39.01 | cbreak | what is it? |
| 23:39.15 | NightHawkTheSane | if its not a table, then it really doesn't exist. |
| 23:39.15 | cbreak | well, evidently, it's a nil value :) |
| 23:39.17 | Synchro | a string which can hold multiple things, my way explained. |
| 23:39.21 | kneeki | lol |
| 23:39.25 | Synchro | for example |
| 23:39.26 | kneeki | uhh |
| 23:39.27 | cbreak | a table :) |
| 23:39.28 | kneeki | that's a table |
| 23:39.30 | kneeki | lol |
| 23:39.32 | Synchro | Yes |
| 23:39.33 | Synchro | -.- |
| 23:39.39 | Synchro | That's what he asked for init? |
| 23:39.40 | cbreak | then create one |
| 23:39.45 | Synchro | I have one |
| 23:39.47 | Synchro | Look in my bin |
| 23:39.48 | Synchro | On the top. |
| 23:40.00 | cbreak | don't see one |
| 23:40.05 | NightHawkTheSane | "CombatSonglist"? that's not 'Themes' |
| 23:40.10 | cbreak | you just try to index Themes |
| 23:40.17 | cbreak | but you never bother to put anything in it |
| 23:40.18 | Synchro | Hold on abit, going to reload ui |
| 23:40.35 | cbreak | if you want a table, you have to create it |
| 23:40.41 | cbreak | tables are reference types, not value types |
| 23:40.56 | NightHawkTheSane | I don't think you actually understand how to work with tales. |
| 23:41.00 | NightHawkTheSane | tables* |
| 23:41.26 | Thunder_Child | ~sigh NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:41.27 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "NightHawkTheSane!" |
| 23:41.27 | cbreak | I think you don't understand that there are no C++ like namespaces in Lua |
| 23:41.47 | Synchro | Okay I don't >.> |
| 23:41.53 | cbreak | Themes:OnLoad() doesn't mean "function OnLoad in namespace Themes". |
| 23:44.47 | kneeki | What's the best way to texture the contents of a button? texture = button:CreateTexture(nil, "BACKGROUND") ? |
| 23:49.24 | Synchro | Well, creating the frame solved it partly, the error doesn't come up anymore, but nothing is happening either. |
| 23:49.29 | Synchro | I'll check if it does register the events. |
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| 23:50.49 | NightHawkTheSane | likely nothing is happening because none of your methods are being called by anything. |
| 23:50.59 | kneeki | mhmm |
| 23:51.04 | kneeki | you have to register those events |
| 23:51.07 | cbreak | Synchro: what frame? |
| 23:51.36 | kneeki | Themes:SetScript("OnLoad", function() Themes:OnLoad(self) end) |
| 23:51.38 | kneeki | something like that |
| 23:52.30 | NightHawkTheSane | would you even need to pass in self there? |
| 23:53.04 | cbreak | depends on how you call it :) |
| 23:53.31 | kneeki | neh prolly not |
| 23:53.35 | kneeki | just throwing out ideas |
| 23:53.46 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 23:53.51 | cbreak | I would not do it like that. |
| 23:54.10 | NightHawkTheSane | you dont technically need to do that, either, you could register ADDONS_LOADED on the frame and do init there as well' |
| 23:54.15 | Synchro | I think I know why |
| 23:54.18 | kneeki | yup |
| 23:54.31 | Synchro | Gimme a bit |
| 23:54.32 | cbreak | OnLoad wouldn't get called I think |
| 23:54.53 | cbreak | so SetScript for OnLoad might not be useful |
| 23:55.57 | cbreak | Since you created the frame Themes dynamically |
| 23:56.01 | cbreak | and not in an XML |
| 23:56.09 | Synchro | Yeah.. |
| 23:56.11 | jnwhiteh | if themes was an XML template |
| 23:56.14 | Synchro | I have it on OnInitialize right now |
| 23:56.15 | jnwhiteh | then creating it does call OnLoad |
| 23:56.16 | jnwhiteh | imo |
| 23:56.27 | kneeki | ^ that |
| 23:56.37 | cbreak | doesn't matter if it was a template or what ever |
| 23:56.48 | cbreak | if you create it dynamically, I don't think it gets called |
| 23:57.00 | jnwhiteh | you should test this =) |
| 23:57.09 | jnwhiteh | because creating a SecureActionButton calls the OnLoad, afaik |
| 23:57.13 | Synchro | I'll just luabin what I have so far :/ |
| 23:57.15 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont do much with onload and xml. >< i usually just register an early event and use that |
| 23:57.27 | Iriel | templates call OnLoad |
| 23:57.32 | cbreak | why bother anyway :) |
| 23:57.34 | jnwhiteh | or don't rely on an event, so your addon works with LoD |
| 23:57.36 | Iriel | creating a frame THEN calling SetScript("OnLoad") is what doesn't work |
| 23:57.44 | jnwhiteh | that's the biggest issue I have in addons now |
| 23:57.44 | cbreak | your lua code gets executed right on load time |
| 23:57.53 | cbreak | so you can do everything you want to do before the events right in there |
| 23:57.54 | jnwhiteh | is that everyone uses the stupid OnInitialize() crap they invented |
| 23:57.56 | jnwhiteh | when its not necessary |
| 23:57.57 | Iriel | jnwhiteh: You mean dont rely on the WRONG event 8-) |
| 23:57.59 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 23:58.50 | kneeki | How are blizzard action buttons skinned? By creating a texture? |
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| 23:59.10 | cbreak | like if you want to execute SomeThing:RegisterEvent(...) |
| 23:59.35 | cbreak | why not just execute it right when the lua gets loaded instead of registering some event to register some other event... |
| 23:59.50 | Iriel | cbreak: I think that was jnwhiteh's main point |
