| 00:00.08 | xalth | hi |
| 00:00.08 | Lopeppeppy | You need to seriously find a better breed of women than they raise down there, darlin', that's pretty trash. |
| 00:00.14 | xalth | i have quastion about writing addons |
| 00:00.29 | xalth | are there any editors with syntax completition for this ? |
| 00:00.51 | ScytheBlade1 | not really |
| 00:01.05 | xalth | or maybe you know best editors from practice ? |
| 00:01.18 | Cidan | I prefer SciTE |
| 00:01.35 | xalth | hehe, of course :-) |
| 00:01.41 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Well, it's just keeping you from using unsafe programs. ;) |
| 00:01.50 | Syzgyn | Notepad++ here |
| 00:02.03 | xalth | but nothing in the word REALLY supports these scripts ? |
| 00:02.04 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, it keeps me from opening ANY programs |
| 00:02.12 | Dagmar | My point stands. |
| 00:02.38 | Thunder_Child | joke all you want but that is utter trash |
| 00:03.27 | Dagmar | Which of their packages was this? |
| 00:03.33 | KarlKFI | Anyone got a pally on PTR that can verify something? |
| 00:03.39 | Thunder_Child | CIS_Setup_3.8.64739.471_XP_Vista_x64 |
| 00:03.45 | Syzgyn | How do you enable the talent preview option? |
| 00:04.11 | Dagmar | Thanks. Downloading it now. :) |
| 00:04.15 | Thunder_Child | Syzgyn, you prolly have to buy it first |
| 00:04.26 | Syzgyn | Ah, could be |
| 00:04.38 | Dagmar | I've been waiting for a whitelist, was told they were likely the first ones to get one, and it sounds like maybe they've added it now |
| 00:04.48 | Dagmar | An unpopulated whitelist will do what you're talking about in a hurry |
| 00:04.55 | Syzgyn | Jesus this is unstable |
| 00:05.04 | Dagmar | Syzgyn: Too right |
| 00:05.13 | Syzgyn | Even as PTRs go it's bad |
| 00:05.30 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, i'm not saying the idea is bad, i'm saying they should NEVER have released something that does that |
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| 00:06.23 | Thunder_Child | s/that/that. and by that i mean allow nothing to run/ |
| 00:06.34 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 00:06.36 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 00:06.37 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 00:07.31 | Dagmar | Hey in the end it'll definitely keep Windows users from infecting their machines with viruses |
| 00:08.04 | Thunder_Child | i always say that computers would never have problems if people didnt use them...but thats not helpfull |
| 00:08.06 | Dagmar | I'm gonna install it here--if I spot where things might have gone wrong I'll mention it |
| 00:08.20 | Dagmar | No, computers wouldn't have problems if _users_ didn't use them. |
| 00:08.41 | Thunder_Child | no...poeple |
| 00:08.44 | Thunder_Child | people* |
| 00:08.59 | Thunder_Child | users are simply the worst |
| 00:09.58 | Lunessa | Cidan: Re: Women dude, feel the pain. Most men will at some point in their lives. |
| 00:10.56 | Lunessa | Like that Thunder_Child guy. Man, he's the worst. Except for me, I'm the worst too. |
| 00:11.12 | Dagmar | I just wish they'd say up front "I'm using you for sex" |
| 00:11.33 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa....yea.....i'd go with that |
| 00:11.53 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Most guys would be ok with that. |
| 00:12.42 | Dagmar | It's not like we're going to say "Oh no you don't!" |
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| 00:13.57 | devZero | hmmm, how does LoadManagers work in the ToC? Basically, I've written a control addon for another addon that previously had no options... In the original AddOn, I've added ## LoadManager: MyAddOnLoader, but the original addon loaded, and not the loader.. so I switched it around and added ## LoadManagers: MyAddOn in the Loader toc file... same thing happened |
| 00:15.23 | Lunessa | Women, are like fire. Treated with respect and caution they are a valuable addition to your life. The moment you forget those two things, you get burned. |
| 00:15.30 | devZero | my spelling mistakes in the above should not be taken into account... I've made sure the syntax of "## LoadManagers:" was used in both toc files |
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| 00:16.20 | devZero | Lunessa: couldn't that statement be used for more than just women? for example, any individual regardless of gender? |
| 00:16.56 | Lunessa | devZero: But then it wouldn't have fit the conversation and would have sounded out of place. :P |
| 00:17.05 | Lopeppeppy | It could, but only the current phrasing will soothe Cidan's hurtin'. |
| 00:17.11 | devZero | ah, woulda helped if I had heard the conversation |
| 00:17.37 | Lopeppeppy | Woman done him very wrong. Needs to be clue-by-foured |
| 00:17.38 | cog|work | watching A Bit of Fry and Laurie after only knowing Hugh from House is a trip... |
| 00:18.58 | Lunessa | cog|work: Laurie was the "Prince" in Black Adder too. |
| 00:19.31 | cog|work | didn't see that. i'm sadly underexposed to british comedies |
| 00:19.58 | cog|work | monty python, faulty towers, abfab, that's about it |
| 00:20.13 | devZero | ok, this is making me angry... half this stuff is hardly documented... I'm just not used to that |
| 00:20.13 | cog|work | mr bean |
| 00:20.36 | Lunessa | cog|work: Check out Black Adder (Rowan Atkinson) - you'll like it. You might also check out Coupling. |
| 00:21.17 | Lopeppeppy | Black Adder season 1 is awesome. |
| 00:22.37 | Lunessa | I said, "Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?" |
| 00:23.46 | cog|work | When i first saw the cover for a bit of fry and laurie i thought hugh was the guy who played bashir in DS9 >< |
| 00:24.08 | Uthas | ahahahh |
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| 00:24.57 | Uthas | Alexander Siddig |
| 00:25.38 | cog|work | Siddig Et Tahir El Fadil El Siddig El Abderahman El Mohammed Ahmed El Abdel Karim El Mahdi |
| 00:26.26 | Lopeppeppy | El dorado is that way. |
| 00:26.27 | Thunder_Child | he seems to have a rather long line |
| 00:27.16 | End | strange |
| 00:27.25 | End | the armory says I have more achievement points than I really have |
| 00:27.59 | End | but only on the guild summary now that I look closer |
| 00:28.30 | Uthas | anyone have a few minutes to help me go over a bit of code and figure out wtf is going on with it? |
| 00:28.35 | cog|away | ttfn |
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| 00:33.48 | xalth | ha, found ide for addons |
| 00:33.50 | xalth | http://www.codeplex.com/AddOnStudio |
| 00:33.55 | xalth | looks nice |
| 00:34.23 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.47 | Shirik | heh |
| 00:34.53 | NightHawkTheSane | im sure someone, somewhere, does |
| 00:35.13 | Tekkub | true, I mean the only people that matter, the ones in here |
| 00:35.15 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.25 | Thunder_Child | /fuckup |
| 00:35.32 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.04 | Uthas | meh, I can't imagine the xml it spits out is great |
| 00:36.09 | Thunder_Child | /talktoshirik |
| 00:36.18 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:36.26 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.41 | Tekkub | who wants XML anyway? :P |
| 00:36.54 | Tekkub | besides Zoot :P |
| 00:38.03 | Thunder_Child | to much fiber for me |
| 00:38.28 | Tekkub | too much newspaper filler, no nutritional value at all |
| 00:39.02 | Lopeppeppy | No wonder you're so cranky, too little fiber, all constipated (ie, full of shite) |
| 00:39.47 | Tekkub | I'm plenty regular thanks, Treys the one with ass issues |
| 00:40.31 | Shirik | except the XML part |
| 00:40.35 | Shirik | we can take that part out |
| 00:40.39 | Lopeppeppy | I was talkign to TC, Tek. |
| 00:40.43 | End | we can rebuild her? |
| 00:40.57 | kraft | we have the technology |
| 00:41.05 | Tekkub | we can make her fatter |
| 00:41.11 | Tekkub | and stonger |
| 00:41.20 | Thunder_Child | i am full og SHIT, Special High Intensity Training |
| 00:41.24 | Thunder_Child | s/og/of/ |
| 00:41.36 | devZero | is there a method for disabling/enabling an addon without a ReloadUI()? |
| 00:41.50 | End | disabling, no |
| 00:42.01 | End | you see |
| 00:42.05 | End | the UI is like a soup |
| 00:42.21 | Tekkub | enabling yes, if the addon is written correctly |
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| 00:51.51 | Lunessa | Once you've cooked it in, you can't cook it out. :P |
| 00:54.12 | kraft | how can i add an extra lien to to tooltips when i hover over a player? |
| 00:54.19 | kraft | tooltip* |
| 00:54.26 | Cidan | *line |
| 00:54.33 | Cidan | unless you mean... lien...? |
| 00:54.38 | kraft | indeed, thanks :P |
| 00:54.51 | kraft | small keyboard ftl |
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| 00:57.28 | kraft | :/ |
| 00:57.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: I <3 the XML |
| 00:58.03 | Tekkub | you probably also like cutting yourself :P |
| 00:58.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Well I canceled my account soooo |
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| 01:05.34 | Wimpsy` | Is there a a library that provies me with a "GetTalent()" function or something so i can check for special talents? |
| 01:08.54 | Wimpsy` | For example if i want to check if a mage has the talent clearcasting how would i do that? |
| 01:09.30 | Tekkub | GetTalentInfo |
| 01:09.38 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api |
| 01:09.43 | NightHawkTheSane | and stop asking silly questions. |
| 01:10.04 | Cidan | Please ignore NightHawkTheSane, he's a bitter old man. |
| 01:10.11 | Cidan | Ask questions away, :D |
| 01:10.11 | Wimpsy` | Haha, i see ;) |
| 01:10.13 | Wimpsy` | Thanks :) |
| 01:10.31 | Cidan | But in general, if you want to see if a function exists, check the aforementioned API page, :P |
| 01:10.52 | Wimpsy` | Yeah sorry, i'm just tired. ;) |
| 01:10.55 | Wimpsy` | and, lazy |
| 01:11.07 | Wimpsy` | together they make people collapse :( |
| 01:11.29 | Tekkub | excuses |
| 01:11.39 | Tekkub | the truly lazy don't waste time making excuses |
| 01:11.47 | Wimpsy` | :O |
| 01:12.24 | Wimpsy` | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetTalentInfo - Would i do GetTalentInfo(nameTalent) ? |
| 01:12.38 | Wimpsy` | GetTalentInfo('Clearcasting') for example? |
| 01:12.48 | Cidan | What does the wiki say? |
| 01:12.55 | Tekkub | do the docs say that's what args it takes? |
| 01:13.38 | Wimpsy` | I dunno, i'm a noob... Erhm, GetTalentInfo( _, talentIndex) ? |
| 01:13.59 | Cidan | Well, let's go over it so you learn then, hm? |
| 01:14.05 | Wimpsy` | Sure. :) |
| 01:14.12 | Cidan | nameTalent, iconPath, tier, column, currentRank, maxRank, isExceptional, meetsPrereq = GetTalentInfo(tabIndex, talentIndex, [inspect]); |
| 01:14.21 | Cidan | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.32 | Cidan | Now on the page it self |
| 01:14.37 | Cidan | It says Arguments |
| 01:14.49 | Cidan | Arguments are the stuff that goes inside () when you call a function, so. |
| 01:14.59 | Wimpsy` | ah |
| 01:15.08 | Cidan | tabIndex is an Integer, that's a number. |
| 01:15.14 | Cidan | Specifies which tab the talent is in. |
| 01:15.20 | Tekkub | you might also want to install Spew so you can see what the function does on a live server |
| 01:15.24 | Cidan | So, first, second, or third. |
| 01:15.26 | Wimpsy` | 1, 2, 3 would be what it returns? Or well, one of em? |
| 01:15.29 | Wimpsy` | ah aye. |
| 01:15.36 | Cidan | Well not returns, but what you "pass" it |
| 01:15.42 | Tekkub | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10349-Spew.html |
| 01:15.47 | Wimpsy` | aah i see |
| 01:16.02 | Tekkub | then you can do "/spew GetTalentInfo(1,1)" and see what ti does |
| 01:16.08 | Wimpsy` | i just have to say that english is not my native language, and therefore i might misunderstand a few things |
| 01:16.34 | Wimpsy` | Thanks |
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| 01:20.43 | Lunessa | QQ - PTR queue filled up while I was selecting a toon to copy |
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| 01:20.54 | End | haha |
| 01:20.55 | End | :( |
| 01:21.43 | Tekkub | ~failunessa |
| 01:22.01 | Lunessa | ~fail Tekkub |
| 01:22.02 | purl | Tekkub, you Fail! |
| 01:22.17 | Cidan | ~whale Lunessa |
| 01:22.19 | Wimpsy` | hahaha |
| 01:22.21 | Cidan | D: |
| 01:22.23 | Tekkub | ~failellelly |
| 01:24.16 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 01:24.16 | purl | Lopeppeppy: :) |
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| 01:24.23 | Lopeppeppy | You have to talk her language |
| 01:25.37 | Cidan | I see. |
| 01:25.55 | Tekkub | or you can just put it on ignore and be a happier person |
| 01:26.03 | |Jelly| | Oh shit, it's Upgrayedd. |
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| 01:27.30 | devZero | any familiar with Portfolio know if the callbacks for each control are called when the control is clicked, etc? |
| 01:28.01 | devZero | ... or if the callback is called after the user clicks the OK button |
| 01:28.32 | Lunessa | going home to cook chicken and play WoW. Ta! |
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| 01:31.55 | kraftman | meh |
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| 01:45.35 | Shirik | and Lun |
| 01:45.36 | Shirik | essa |
| 01:45.38 | Shirik | wow |
| 01:46.17 | |Jelly| | ~failrik |
| 01:46.18 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 01:46.55 | Tekkub | ~ratflail |
| 01:47.37 | kraftman | do i need to refrech the game tooltip after i add a line? |
| 01:47.50 | Lopeppeppy | I really want the chicken Lunessa is cooking, I've heard the recipe. |
| 01:54.50 | Tekkub | kraftman, if you're adding lines after the tip is shown, you need to call show again to resize the tip |
| 01:55.05 | Tekkub | if you're adding it before show, like you should be, no it'll manage it on it's own |
| 01:55.13 | kraftman | yeh ive tried both |
| 01:55.24 | kraftman | at the moment all im trying to do is add "moop" |
| 01:55.36 | Tekkub | to? |
| 01:56.08 | kraftman | too the tooltip, hooking SetUnit |
| 01:56.18 | kraftman | http://pastey.net/108945 |
| 01:56.33 | Tekkub | Don't hook the Set* functions if you can manage it |
| 01:56.34 | Tekkub | http://github.com/tekkub/engravings/blob/8e7aaba25150637b2317933136f32761451ca9c3/Engravings.lua |
| 01:56.47 | Tekkub | you'd use a different script since you don't want items |
| 01:56.52 | kraftman | i guess im doing something pretty wrogn as i havnt looked at the tooltip code much before |
| 01:56.55 | kraftman | kk |
| 01:56.57 | Arrowmaster | OnTooltipSetUnit |
| 01:57.19 | Tekkub | yea that should be the name of it |
| 01:58.16 | kraftman | ok ty :) |
| 01:58.39 | Tekkub | and :GetUnit() instead also |
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| 02:08.25 | Syzgyn | FFS, cant even stay connected to the ptr for more than 30 seconds |
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| 02:13.19 | Lopeppeppy | Bartender 4 isn't complete yet, is it? |
| 02:14.53 | devZero | I seem to be full of questions tonight... is it possible to include an addon inside another addon? maybe embed would be a better word |
| 02:15.07 | Lopeppeppy | ... those are called libraries, devZero. |
| 02:15.53 | devZero | ok, that much I did figure... I was trying to do this with Portfolio, didn't seem to like me trying to do that |
| 02:15.53 | Uthas | you can also make an addon dependant upon another addon, thereby building "on top" of the first addon |
| 02:15.56 | devZero | :/ |
| 02:16.53 | devZero | I was basically just trying to do it for simplicity of installtion... instead of having a zip of 5 folders, have a zip w/ one folder and the libraries would be included inside the main addon's folder |
| 02:17.46 | Lopeppeppy | ... many addons do that. Pitbull, Lightheaded, DBM, that other boss alert thing I can't remember. |
| 02:18.01 | Lopeppeppy | I think it's more about how you zip it, and how you tell your addon where to find the libraries or modules. |
| 02:18.33 | devZero | yeah, I was trying to mimic how Thottbot includes Chronos... in the toc file is has the path to the xml file |
| 02:18.56 | devZero | so, I tried doing the same w/ Portfolio and included the patch to the Loader.xml, I immediately get an error |
| 02:19.02 | Tekkub | uhm, yea why not look at modern embedding |
| 02:19.29 | Tekkub | wowace.com :P |
| 02:19.31 | devZero | I've tried googling for methods on how to do this... haven't found anything, that I thought was relavent... then again I don't quite know what's relavent |
| 02:19.58 | Arrowmaster | is portfolio a library? |
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| 02:21.48 | devZero | it does the same thing as khaos, so I assumed... I could be wrong |
| 02:22.10 | Tekkub | config panes? that's built into the default UI now |
| 02:22.10 | devZero | almost the same thing** |
| 02:22.45 | devZero | it's just an easier method for creating panes in the default ui... Someone here suggested I use it when I asked about adding an config pane |
| 02:23.28 | Tekkub | Embedding |
| 02:23.28 | Tekkub | See PortfolioDocs for more information. |
| 02:23.36 | Tekkub | I suggest you follow those directions |
| 02:23.37 | devZero | hmmm |
| 02:23.52 | Tekkub | looks like there are examples as well |
| 02:24.12 | devZero | the example really simple, the docs index doesn't show anything on embedding |
| 02:24.13 | Tekkub | who'd've thunked it, AnduinLothar providing documentation for his library |
| 02:24.28 | devZero | I'll look deeper though just in case I missed something |
| 02:24.31 | AnduinLothar | don't hate |
| 02:24.47 | Tekkub | Embedded Usage: |
| 02:24.47 | Tekkub | Include Portfolio in the Libs folder of you addon: <addon>\Libs\Portfolio. |
| 02:24.47 | Tekkub | Include Loader.xml in your xml file with <Include file="Libs\Portfolio\Loader.xml"/> |
| 02:24.47 | Tekkub | OR load Libs\Portfolio\Loader.xml from your toc file. |
| 02:24.47 | Tekkub | Add Portfolio as an Optional Dependency in your toc, and as an X-Embeds |
| 02:24.58 | Tekkub | not hating, just making sarcasm |
| 02:25.40 | devZero | heh, are we looking at the same html file in PortfolioDocs? |
| 02:26.03 | Tekkub | most likely, either way the docs there cover exactly what you need to do |
| 02:26.08 | devZero | the one I'm looking at has file names listed.. click a file name and get a break down of functions |
| 02:26.16 | Tekkub | and if all else fails, bitch at AnduinLothar |
| 02:26.29 | devZero | ah, you know what... I do see it |
| 02:26.44 | devZero | well, sorry for wasting everyone's time... Time to get new eyes apparently |
| 02:27.01 | Tekkub | everything can be boiled down to user error! |
| 02:27.01 | AnduinLothar | yeah the index page from LuaDocs isn't especially useful for wow addons |
| 02:27.43 | AnduinLothar | which is why the link fromt eh wowi page goes to Portfolio.html |
| 02:27.54 | AnduinLothar | instead of index.html |
| 02:28.28 | devZero | worked perfect, thanks |
| 02:30.03 | AnduinLothar | I just tweaked LuaDocs till it worked 'good enough' I really need to go make it be more friendly for addons, but that's another project... |
| 02:31.31 | AnduinLothar | afaik no one else is using LuaDocs. and there's no Lua IDE that auto populates like there is for java |
| 02:32.16 | devZero | IDE? you mean like vi, but with a bunch of clutter and stuff all over the place? |
| 02:32.21 | devZero | :P |
| 02:33.42 | Stanzilla | AnduinLothar: wowace is using LuaDoc |
| 02:33.50 | AnduinLothar | since when? |
| 02:33.59 | Stanzilla | january or so |
| 02:34.06 | Stanzilla | http://kb.wowace.com/projects/docmeta-file/ |
| 02:34.21 | AnduinLothar | i must have inspired someone |
| 02:35.06 | AnduinLothar | my version is more awesomer ;) |
| 02:35.22 | AnduinLothar | i made it use multi-line comment headers |
| 02:35.51 | AnduinLothar | instead of retarded single line comment blocks |
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| 02:36.07 | devZero | heh, dual spec costs 1k gold |
| 02:36.21 | Stanzilla | I think they did something similiar on wowace |
| 02:36.31 | Stanzilla | ask nevcairiel about that :P |
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| 02:42.20 | Aqua | dual specs are 1k ? |
| 02:42.22 | Aqua | thats it? |
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| 02:42.51 | WobWork | bleeter: http://www.naa.gov.au/whats-on/online/find-of-the-month/2009/january-01.aspx |
| 02:42.58 | WobWork | only an aussie could properly understand that =) |
| 02:43.08 | WobWork | (or someone who hears the strine accent a lot) |
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| 02:46.57 | NeoTron | <qq>http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/february/deathknight_tier8_male.jpg is too similar to http://static.wowhead.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/110919.jpg</qq> |
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| 02:53.05 | Sixen | =p |
| 02:53.56 | cogwheel | q: |
| 02:55.18 | Kirov | Don't worry, by the time 3.1 is actually released they'll make them all shades of pink. |
| 02:57.21 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/originalRecolor.jpg - Barney suit for example |
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| 03:05.15 | Adys | Loved that |
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| 03:05.18 | Adys | A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. |
| 03:05.18 | Adys | Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? |
| 03:08.46 | Kyahx | hmmm, so im a noob -- how do I get OUT of dalaran |
| 03:08.52 | Adys | jump |
| 03:08.57 | Kyahx | lies |
| 03:09.03 | Adys | well there is a crystal |
| 03:09.04 | Kyahx | arent there portals to the other major cities? |
| 03:09.06 | Kaso | jumping will get you out |
| 03:09.09 | cogwheel | fly, crystal, flight path |
| 03:09.13 | cogwheel | jump |
| 03:09.14 | Kyahx | I want to get to UC somehow |
| 03:09.19 | Adys | go north |
| 03:09.22 | Kyahx | (playing a friend's toon -- never been here) |
| 03:09.23 | cogwheel | portal |
| 03:09.30 | Codayus | Portals to cities, portal to wintergrasp |
| 03:09.33 | Adys | theres a horde area guarded by blood elves |
| 03:09.36 | Codayus | Hmm, get summoned. |
| 03:09.42 | Kaso | i love jumping out then using levitate at the last possible moment |
| 03:09.54 | Kaso | I've killed myself several times cutting it too close |
| 03:09.56 | cogwheel | Kaso: parachute cloak 4tw |
| 03:10.06 | Kyahx | ah, I found it |
| 03:10.14 | Adys | Kaso: three steps to having a laugh |
| 03:10.19 | Adys | 1- Jump out of dalaran |
| 03:10.33 | Kaso | have they updated the cloak to have the parachute animation/graphic when you use it cog? |
| 03:10.34 | Adys | 2- Wait until you reach 5 yards to the ground to use levitate/slowfall |
| 03:10.49 | Adys | 3- Notice you forgot to enable self-buffing since 3.0.8. |
| 03:10.50 | cogwheel | Kaso: it was like that as soon as i learned it |
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| 03:10.56 | cogwheel | months ago |
| 03:12.15 | cogwheel | unless you mean something more than ... a parachute appearing while you're falling |
| 03:12.33 | Adys | that'd be cool |
| 03:12.48 | Seerah | video "I Just Wanna F**kin' Dance" http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/video/video.php?v=4992576111&ref=nf |
| 03:12.51 | Kaso | i mean that. in the old days parachute cloak would just make you float like slowfall or whatever no effect |
| 03:14.47 | cogwheel | Adys: my version is ... forgetting to have waited 30 seconds since you just re-equipped the cloak with your parachute... >< |
| 03:15.09 | Adys | be an useful class |
| 03:15.09 | Adys | :P |
| 03:15.33 | cogwheel | Kaso: beta? |
| 03:16.05 | Kaso | hmm? it had no animation till wotlk i think? |
| 03:16.24 | kd3 | ooh, I like the new quest tracking... hover your mouse cursor over a mob that's part of a quest and it'll tell you |
| 03:16.58 | Kaso | kd3, i presume thats only for "Kill x mob" type quests and not "get my x mob ears" |
| 03:17.02 | cogwheel | Kaso: *shrug* like i said, i've had this cloak for months and it always had a graphic. maybe it was in the very first patch? |
| 03:17.35 | kd3 | kaso; probably |
| 03:17.51 | Kaso | last time i used one was back in vanilla wow, so sometime between then and now its been added we can presume ;p |
| 03:18.17 | cogwheel | Kaso: i'm talking about the brand new engineering recipe... |
| 03:18.21 | cogwheel | from wotlk |
| 03:18.22 | Kaso | oh |
| 03:18.45 | cogwheel | i r engineer |
| 03:18.49 | cogwheel | hug me |
| 03:18.56 | cogwheel | :P |
| 03:19.01 | Kaso | im talking about the level ~45 engineering parachute cloak |
| 03:19.08 | Kaso | there's a new one? |
| 03:19.17 | cogwheel | it's a tinker |
| 03:19.47 | Syzgyn | Kaso: http://www.crusaderaura.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/springy-arachnoweave.jpg |
| 03:20.19 | cogwheel | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=55002 |
| 03:20.34 | Kaso | i see i see |
| 03:20.44 | Kaso | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=10518 |
| 03:20.44 | cogwheel | it's rad :) |
| 03:20.47 | Kaso | im thinking this ;p |
| 03:20.59 | Syzgyn | I sure would like to be able to stay connected to the PTR :( |
| 03:21.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Springy Arachnoweave is kinda awesome |
| 03:21.43 | Kaso | wonder what'd happen if you enchanted the level 45 parachute cloak with that |
| 03:21.58 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 03:21.58 | cogwheel | Kaso: space time continuum something something |
| 03:22.30 | Adys | that was fun |
| 03:22.31 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/titles.jpg |
| 03:23.21 | cogwheel | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage( ... |
| 03:23.22 | cogwheel | :P |
| 03:23.26 | Adys | nop |
| 03:23.31 | Adys | ptr transfer |
| 03:23.49 | Adys | tp'd to dalaran and came back with that spam |
| 03:24.02 | Adys | its not all my titles too, knight champion and shattered sun are missing |
| 03:24.07 | Adys | and naaru |
| 03:24.30 | Syzgyn | Adys: I get the same thing every time I log in, except its 'Unknown the Exalted', 'Elder Unknown', ect |
| 03:24.49 | Adys | fun |
| 03:24.57 | Syzgyn | then I get booted |
| 03:26.49 | Sixen | Holy shit? 20 pages on the PTR forums, it's been open 2 days. |
| 03:27.16 | Adys | the ptr forum has been open longer than that |
| 03:29.10 | Sixen | They wiped it though |
| 03:29.16 | Adys | eh |
| 03:29.20 | Adys | we have more macros now? |
| 03:29.25 | Sixen | ~24 hours ago, it was 4 pages. |
| 03:29.29 | Sixen | Now it's 19, =|. |
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| 03:51.46 | Tekkub | mah butt hurts |
| 03:51.57 | WobWork | It was terrible, I had the whatisname cape from the flying ray faction that had the slowfall in it |
| 03:52.15 | WobWork | and I set it to my flying gear, so if I got dismounted in flight I could use it to slowfall |
| 03:52.32 | WobWork | but I kept forgetting that as soon as I mount, there was still 30 seconds til I could slowfall =P |
| 03:52.47 | WobWork | Tekkub: You need more lube I expect |
| 03:52.52 | WobWork | (Or less mexican) |
| 03:52.56 | Thunder_Child | you should be used to it Tekkub |
| 03:53.02 | Tekkub | less mexican? |
| 03:53.16 | WobWork | Too much mexican can make the butt hurt |
| 03:53.21 | WobWork | (in all senses of the term) |
| 03:53.27 | Tekkub | oh yea mean like chipotle |
| 03:53.59 | Tekkub | I was gonna say, never had mexican, but I did have a hispanic guy once :) |
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| 03:55.41 | WobWork | Hm, an invitation to perform Mozart's Requiem in the Sydney Opera House |
| 03:55.49 | WobWork | (cost, $150) |
| 03:56.09 | WobWork | As much as I like that piece... I don't think I want to pay 150 bucks to sing it |
| 03:56.31 | Tekkub | I sure as hell wouldn't pay to hear you sing it |
| 03:57.16 | WobWork | Tekkub: That's alright, plenty of others have =) |
| 03:57.29 | WobWork | PS, it's a choral piece, so not just me |
| 03:57.30 | Syzgyn | So I finally stay connected to the PTR.... then immediately crash out. |
| 03:57.43 | kd3 | syz; that's about par for the course. I hope you're not in dalaran |
| 03:57.51 | Syzgyn | I am :\ |
| 03:58.01 | Tekkub | you're a fool to try to get on the PTR between the hours of 6AM and 1AM |
| 03:58.04 | Syzgyn | Trying to port out |
| 03:58.12 | WobWork | Rule number 1 of PTR: Always copy your toon in a remote place |
| 03:58.19 | kd3 | at the main menu, drop all of your gfx settings to zero |
| 03:58.27 | WobWork | then close your eyes =) |
| 03:58.28 | kd3 | wob; indeed. that's why I copied while I was in the barrens... >.> |
| 03:58.32 | Tekkub | I *was* in Sexodar, but ported to go see instance maps |
| 03:58.40 | Tekkub | and my priest never came back |
| 03:58.46 | Tekkub | so I got on my pally instead |
| 03:58.46 | Syzgyn | I failed at planning |
| 03:58.47 | Tekkub | :) |
| 03:58.59 | kd3 | lmao at Warts-B-Gone Lip Balm |
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| 04:00.20 | Syzgyn | Finally, got to Stormwind |
| 04:00.58 | Syzgyn | nevermind, still lagged out |
| 04:02.50 | Tekkub | why the hell did you go to Shitwind? |
| 04:02.57 | Tekkub | go to exodar! no one goes there |
| 04:03.00 | Tekkub | it's so peaceful... |
| 04:04.51 | Syzgyn | Because I want to get back to northrend |
| 04:05.02 | cogwheel | ... whitehouse.gov video works in firefox but not ie on my comp >< |
| 04:06.34 | kd3 | ahahahaha |
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| 04:08.58 | Thunder_Child | they have such wierd outfits for tier 8 |
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| 04:14.05 | Syzgyn | Hah, now Eastern Kingdoms is down |
| 04:19.24 | Aqua | christ..... i just did my 200th strathome run |
| 04:20.09 | kd3 | kaso; erm... no. the quest tracking's actually a bit smarter than that. I'm looking at an intermediate npc that drops an item I need to free my target npc (but isn't listed as a quest objective) and he talks about it... |
| 04:20.40 | kd3 | s/he talks about it/the tooltip indicates that the mob is useful/ |
| 04:25.48 | Syzgyn | interesting |
| 04:26.11 | Syzgyn | I wonder if theres api for that |
| 04:26.17 | Duman | oofa |
| 04:26.24 | Duman | ERROR #0 (0x85100000) Assertion Failure |
| 04:26.25 | Duman | heh |
| 04:26.27 | Duman | fun times |
| 04:26.33 | Syzgyn | Owned |
| 04:26.36 | Duman | clearly |
| 04:27.03 | Syzgyn | This stupid boat still hasnt shown up |
| 04:27.42 | Duman | hmm, guess my assert() is known: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15230879372&sid=1 |
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| 04:28.17 | tardmrr | oh my god |
| 04:28.18 | tardmrr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txqiwrbYGrs |
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| 04:28.59 | Syzgyn | old, but still amusing |
| 04:30.55 | WobWork | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/SaGyDi3HK3I/AAAAAAAAFQI/WIZAIvaiIhs/s400/Black+and+white+and+red+all+over.gif |
| 04:33.00 | Syzgyn | Is anyone else getting a graphical glitch where your mouse pointer appears again if you hold the right mouse button down then open a panel? |
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| 04:40.30 | Thunder_Child | shadow priests sure are getting the pointy end of the stick when it comes to casting replenishment |
| 04:41.10 | Duman | err |
| 04:41.12 | Duman | crash? |
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| 04:42.06 | Duman | hmm, guess the server is not happy |
| 04:42.31 | Duman | or, it could #132 out ... heh |
| 04:42.40 | Duman | The instruction at "0x004F1457" referenced memory at "0xDDDDDDDC". |
| 04:42.41 | Duman | The memory could not be "written". |
| 04:42.43 | Duman | nice address |
| 04:42.56 | Syzgyn | yep :P |
| 04:44.47 | Thunder_Child | dis-dis-dis-dis-dis-dis-disconnection |
| 04:45.21 | Duman | ok, max headroom |
| 04:45.25 | Duman | ;) |
| 04:45.47 | Torhal | It would have been better had it tried to access 0XDEADBEEF |
| 04:45.48 | Thunder_Child | even he didnt stuter that much |
| 04:45.54 | Duman | heh |
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| 04:50.39 | JamesJr | Does anyone in here own chickens? |
| 04:51.01 | Duman | I know people who do |
| 04:54.22 | Spellbinder | i used roo |
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| 04:54.54 | Spellbinder | too even |
| 04:55.09 | NightHawkTheSane | does the breast i hve in my freezer count? |
| 04:55.36 | Spellbinder | lol ha left |
| 05:00.21 | WobWork | I own expotential chickens |
| 05:00.25 | WobWork | a half dozen or so |
| 05:02.44 | Syzgyn | WobWork: I read that as Exponential chickens |
| 05:03.25 | WobWork | bawk(bakawk) |
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| 05:04.52 | Shirik | HAHAHA |
| 05:04.58 | Shirik | WWS says one of our healers on Razuvious did -25k healing |
| 05:06.47 | WobWork | impressive |
| 05:07.06 | Thunder_Child | very |
| 05:07.58 | WobWork | hehhe http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/SaMGRBe1MGI/AAAAAAAAFSo/MpVKbx12ULo/s1600-h/enter+your+credit+card+number.png |
| 05:09.07 | Shirik | >< |
| 05:09.20 | Torhal | I bet thousands of people entered the information instantly thinking "OH NOES!" |
| 05:09.48 | Duman | LOL |
| 05:10.01 | Thunder_Child | who usually provides tech support? Dev or Pub? |
| 05:11.19 | WobWork | woah, creepy: http://blogs.discovery.com/news_animal/2009/02/see-a-fish-with-a-transparent-head.html |
| 05:12.20 | Syzgyn | WTF? |
| 05:13.19 | Duman | whoa |
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| 05:52.33 | WobWork | http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/business/6278288.html |
| 05:52.57 | WobWork | So the plan is to give money to people who can't manage their debt, so they can accumulate -more- debt? |
| 05:54.53 | Adys | chromium-dev |
| 05:54.55 | Adys | I AGREE THINGS THAT ARE BAD SHOULD BE LESS BAD |
| 05:54.55 | Adys | PLEASE TO BE FIX THIS NOW I CANOT TELL ALL MY FREIND TO SWITCH FROM FOXFIRE |
| 05:55.55 | anotherdude | sups |
| 05:58.54 | Duman | heh |
| 05:59.37 | Cidan | Ah, wowuidev after hours. |
| 05:59.45 | Cidan | You never do make any sense. |
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| 06:15.01 | WobWork | Cairenn: http://www.canada.com/Technology/Local%20boys%20speedboat%20free%20dolphins/1306112/story.html <-- aww |
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| 06:17.12 | Cairenn | awwww |
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| 06:34.16 | batrick | good evening friends |
| 06:34.39 | Hjalte | batrick: Good morning |
| 06:44.17 | Thunder_Child | batrick, you dont have any friends |
| 06:52.32 | kd3 | wonder if it's obvious enough? http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:ATG_annotated_map.jpg |
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| 06:56.05 | Shirik | Blinded by the light |
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| 07:01.54 | Wobin | hehe http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/february/fragmentsvalanyr.jpg |
| 07:02.00 | Wobin | I c whut u did thar |
| 07:02.26 | Shirik | nini |
| 07:02.32 | Wobin | also squee, bearcub vanity pet |
| 07:02.47 | Thunder_Child | night Shirik, not that i believe you |
| 07:02.53 | anotherdude | woot ding lvl73 |
| 07:02.56 | Wobin | and Wolvar pup! |
| 07:02.57 | Wobin | zomg |
| 07:03.15 | Wobin | and aquatic mount? |
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| 07:05.06 | Wobin | hm, glyph of howling blast |
| 07:05.07 | Thunder_Child | ~calm Wobin |
| 07:05.29 | purl | ACTION sooths Wobin, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm Wobin down. |
| 07:05.29 | Wobin | does that mean it does double damage by default? |
| 07:05.29 | Wobin | Or does the damage, then infects them with frost fever |
| 07:05.38 | Wobin | poor purl, so lagged |
| 07:06.39 | kd3 | gah, wow needs to stop trying to access address 0xDDDDDDDC |
| 07:07.14 | Thunder_Child | kd3, you need to work on your digital painting skills |
| 07:07.34 | Wobin | also, they removed the range from sniper training? |
| 07:07.39 | Wobin | interesting |
| 07:08.30 | Wobin | and no imp wing clip =P |
| 07:14.13 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/108957 |
| 07:14.41 | jnwhiteh | GetWintergraspWaitTime |
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| 07:20.14 | jnwhiteh | showArenaEnemyFrames |
| 07:21.33 | kd3 | crap, InteractUnit() is protected |
| 07:21.44 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 07:21.54 | jnwhiteh | for the joystick system if I had to guess |
| 07:22.04 | kd3 | most likely |
| 07:22.09 | jnwhiteh | Button_Method_CreateAnimationGroup |
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| 07:33.12 | batrick | Wow Thunder_Child. |
| 07:39.23 | Thunder_Child | batrick, hmm? |
| 07:41.08 | Tekkub | hey anyone own a Kindle? (1 or 2) |
| 07:42.00 | Thunder_Child | lots of people do |
| 07:42.07 | Tekkub | in here, ass |
| 07:43.16 | Thunder_Child | i dont think anyone has it in there ass |
| 07:43.47 | Thunder_Child | wait....people shove anything up there....so someone prolly has at some point |
| 07:52.26 | Tekkub | ah, this blog is always good for a laugh: http://blogs.msdn.com/wga/ |
| 07:53.25 | kd3 | whee |
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| 07:53.34 | kd3 | trees that are classed as npcs/critters |
| 08:11.47 | Thunder_Child | i need win7 to come out so i have an excuse to wipe my os |
| 08:12.25 | cogwheel | eep... it's been nearly two years for me... |
| 08:13.56 | anotherdude | any1 got good guide for sunken temple, Im lost :P |
| 08:14.31 | Thunder_Child | like a map? |
| 08:14.39 | cogwheel | heh. wtb z coords :P |
| 08:16.11 | kd3 | the hell? /Sound/Creature/DoomLordKazak/GRULLAIR_Kazzak_Attack01.wav |
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| 08:39.56 | kd3 | whee! instance maps! |
| 08:40.11 | Kalroth | :D |
| 08:40.24 | Kalroth | I hope they'll use them too |
| 08:40.26 | kd3 | upload faster, damn it |
| 08:40.33 | Kalroth | get out and push, kd3 |
| 08:41.03 | kd3 | considering there's like 3 different versions of CoT:Strat... probably |
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| 08:43.41 | Arrowmaster | did they map every instance? |
| 08:43.50 | Kalroth | only wotlk ones |
| 08:43.52 | kd3 | ^ |
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| 08:44.15 | Kalroth | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/february/Naxxramas5.jpg is pretty cool |
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| 08:47.48 | zenzio | I always liked the default world maps, glad to see the instance ones are looking good so far (custom addons did a good job, but didn't quite feel "WoW" style) |
| 08:49.42 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/02/24/funny-pictures-douse-with-holy-water/ |
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| 08:49.52 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/02/24/funny-pictures-new-kitty-bed-65/ -- just like my cat |
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| 08:51.31 | mikma | !serveralert eu |
| 08:51.41 | mikma | =( |
| 08:52.26 | zenzio | hm, what was it again |
| 08:52.29 | nevcairiel | ~wowalert |
| 08:52.30 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 08:52.32 | zenzio | bastage |
| 08:52.38 | anotherdude | ok back |
| 08:52.43 | nevcairiel | nothing on there, though |
| 08:52.43 | anotherdude | sunken temple, about to face jammal'an |
| 08:52.52 | nevcairiel | just the old maintenance message |
| 08:52.55 | anotherdude | there's these immunes to me, im warrior |
| 08:53.07 | nevcairiel | wonder why the did an extended maint |
| 08:53.18 | nevcairiel | s/the/they/ |
| 08:53.25 | nevcairiel | ~botsnack |
| 08:53.25 | purl | :), nevcairiel |
| 08:53.31 | anotherdude | ? |
| 08:53.51 | Tekkub | just to PISS YOU OFF |
| 08:54.06 | anotherdude | help |
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| 08:59.43 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/furry-fetishes.png |
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| 09:00.46 | Tekkub | uhm, a good number of those are "normal" fetishes |
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| 09:01.50 | Arrowmaster | 'companionship' |
| 09:02.15 | Tekkub | for that matter, transformation and fursuit are really the only furry-exclusive fetishes I see there :P |
| 09:02.27 | Arrowmaster | skinning? |
| 09:02.32 | Tekkub | well, and vore I guess |
| 09:02.45 | Tekkub | "shaving" and lots of guys shave their crap :P |
| 09:02.47 | kd3 | whee... 23 instance maps up on the wiki that I think are done. now to decide what to do with the rest |
| 09:02.50 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Coordinate-safe_maps |
| 09:03.52 | Tekkub | only maps for wrath instances so far? |
| 09:03.57 | kd3 | yes |
| 09:04.02 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:06.41 | Arrowmaster | do you have to select from the dropdown to switch between 'levels' or can you click on the map like for the naxx one which seems to have 5 maps |
| 09:07.10 | kd3 | probably dropdown. I'm skimming through the interface code now since I don't want to bother trying to fire up the ptr |
| 09:07.54 | Tekkub | *logs in* |
| 09:08.01 | Arrowmaster | im doubting anything at all changed for the worldmapframe, and instead GetMapInfo() just returns a texture now |
| 09:08.16 | kd3 | local mapFileName, textureHeight = GetMapInfo(); |
| 09:08.26 | kd3 | says WorldMapFrame_Update() |
| 09:09.15 | Tekkub | Can't get to the instance maps unless you're in the instance it seems |
| 09:11.06 | Tekkub | WOO! I made it from the ally in to that spot in from on VH on the main road |
| 09:11.18 | Tekkub | *front of |
| 09:11.55 | Kalroth | haha |
| 09:12.31 | Arrowmaster | im tired and ive been up like 37 hours i think, good night |
| 09:12.41 | kd3 | ya, gotta be in the instance |
| 09:13.35 | End | so is switching dual spec based on being rested now? |
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| 09:13.46 | kd3 | out of combat |
| 09:13.50 | End | oh, wow |
| 09:13.55 | End | that's big |
| 09:14.05 | kd3 | and not in bgs/arena |
| 09:14.17 | End | original Q&A mentioned having to be near a lexicon |
| 09:14.22 | kd3 | things have changed |
| 09:14.35 | End | yeah |
| 09:14.40 | End | I'm surprised it loosened up that much |
| 09:15.02 | Tekkub | or maybe the lexicon bit isn't implemented yet |
| 09:15.29 | End | I'd be surprised if that was it |
| 09:16.21 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.05 | Tekkub | yea, fugit |
| 09:17.18 | End | l2pvp server |
| 09:17.22 | End | dalaran is a ghost town |
| 09:17.28 | Tekkub | l2gtfo |
| 09:17.34 | End | I did get out, quite easily |
| 09:17.36 | mikma | l2stfunoobs |
| 09:17.48 | Tekkub | I don't even want to be in dolly, I just didn't know it was crashville when I hearthed |
| 09:18.04 | End | oh, well, the crashing issue I had too |
| 09:18.34 | Tekkub | I'm smart enough to not hang out there if I don't have to :P |
| 09:18.42 | Tekkub | but, you know, portal hub an dall that |
| 09:18.47 | End | yeah |
| 09:19.39 | End | wtf are projected textures? |
| 09:20.55 | Tekkub | projectures! |
| 09:21.04 | End | I see |
| 09:21.15 | Tekkub | whatever they are, they're doing their best to make me feel like my new vid card is already inadequate |
| 09:21.36 | Tekkub | there's now an "ultra" setting on the vid quality presets |
| 09:21.58 | End | it does seem to reduce my fps a bit |
| 09:22.11 | End | but a barren UC is still 60 fps |
| 09:22.28 | End | might actually have to turn that off for raids though, dunno |
| 09:23.15 | End | ugh, changing specs desummons my pet |
| 09:23.18 | End | which doesn't surprise me |
| 09:23.31 | End | it does that on live, but still annoying |
| 09:24.15 | Tekkub | lol, is it bad when the default loading of an auditorium level fills 4 out of the 5 sound bars on it's own? |
| 09:24.52 | End | weird |
| 09:24.55 | End | it kills my mana too |
| 09:26.01 | mikma | i kill your mana! |
| 09:26.13 | End | this isn't soviet russia |
| 09:26.23 | End | also, projected textures won't stay on |
| 09:26.44 | End | wait, what |
| 09:27.11 | End | I don't think they set that up properly |
| 09:27.36 | End | oh, vsync was on |
| 09:27.41 | End | now I'm getting 180 fps |
| 09:29.20 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=11940#comments |
| 09:29.26 | mikma | hehe :D |
| 09:31.52 | Tekkub | everyone knows the correct spilling is "lite" |
| 09:33.33 | mikma | why? :) |
| 09:33.59 | End | awwwww |
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| 09:34.31 | End | my mammoth isn't a vehicle anymore |
| 09:34.51 | kd3 | blah. the maps's called DrakTharonKeep, but it's spelled DrakTheronKeep in the map itself. >.> |
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| 09:34.53 | End | I can't figure out how to boot my vendors either though |
| 09:35.01 | kd3 | bug for the latter |
| 09:35.08 | kd3 | former is wai |
| 09:38.37 | kd3 | rofl: "The nerf to moonkin frenzy was because moonkin kept standing in the fire in order to enhance their dps, which seems like not the kind of gameplay we should be encouraging and makes healers write us nastygrams in all capital letters." |
| 09:38.37 | End | lol |
| 09:38.47 | End | "Blizzard Arena UI" is enable/disable-able |
| 09:39.01 | kd3 | interface menu |
| 09:39.09 | End | AddOns |
| 09:39.19 | foxlit | kd3: coming soon: moonkins standing in whirlwind |
| 09:39.53 | End | and reference to moonkin frenzy change: I wonder what they would say about life tap and seal of martyr |
| 09:40.40 | End | ugh, every time I zone I relearn all titles |
| 09:42.11 | kd3 | also known |
| 09:42.32 | kd3 | currently known issues: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15234889677&sid=1 |
| 09:43.35 | zenzio | End: sounds like a spin on the old popular bug where the game forced a title on you when you zoned |
| 09:43.35 | Fatalis[AFK][AFK | $true |
| 09:43.45 | End | actualllly |
| 09:44.00 | End | it looks like it keeps changing my title to Hand of A'dal |
| 09:44.10 | End | either that or it was Champion of Naruu the last time |
| 09:44.17 | kd3 | I keep getting switched back to of the Shattered Sun |
| 09:44.19 | kd3 | anyway, zzz |
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| 09:44.59 | mikma | <Fatalis[AFK][AFK> $true |
| 09:45.02 | mikma | double-afk! |
| 09:45.32 | Fatalis[AFK][AFK | lol mircscript double fail |
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| 09:46.54 | End | yes! |
| 09:46.59 | End | I'm under the world! |
| 09:50.02 | Thunder_Child | depending on your POV we are all "under" the world |
| 09:50.28 | End | well |
| 09:50.31 | End | this world isn't round |
| 09:50.39 | End | and |
| 09:50.47 | End | has no meaningful atmosphere |
| 09:51.12 | Thunder_Child | but who is to say that where we stand is "up" |
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| 09:51.25 | End | we do |
| 09:51.30 | End | because we defined what up means |
| 09:51.41 | End | without a definition, it's just a series of letters |
| 09:52.59 | Thunder_Child | again up is a variable term |
| 09:53.32 | krka_ | the todd is always up! |
| 09:54.13 | End | well, my character can only put head in one direction and feet in another |
| 09:54.22 | End | so I can't vary up very much at all |
| 09:54.30 | Fisker- | hey sexy kd3 |
| 09:54.37 | End | actually I suppose I could on a mount |
| 09:55.07 | End | but |
| 09:55.42 | End | it's still not a curved surface |
| 09:55.56 | krka_ | why using the words up, head, mount and curved so much? |
| 09:56.12 | End | because they can be taken the wrong way |
| 09:56.19 | End | just like how I took your mother |
| 09:56.51 | End | umm |
| 09:56.53 | End | I can't rez |
| 09:58.13 | Teomyr | so? once you're under the ground in real-life, you normally can't rez either |
| 09:58.37 | End | sure I can |
| 09:58.44 | End | with a suffient amount of brains |
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| 10:02.29 | Shirik | lua> date(nil, 1232326015) |
| 10:02.29 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'date' (a nil value) |
| 10:02.33 | Shirik | lua> os.date(nil, 1232326015) |
| 10:02.34 | lua_bot | Shirik: Mon Jan 19 00:46:55 2009 |
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| 10:08.04 | Shirik | What is the point of having software that partially disables itself if it's trivial to change its install date... |
| 10:08.33 | End | to prevent people -not- like you from being able to use the software! |
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| 10:08.35 | krka_ | Shirik: to stop the masses |
| 10:08.53 | krka_ | it's impossible to stop the experts, so it's not worth the extra effort |
| 10:09.00 | Shirik | a valid point |
| 10:09.18 | krka_ | the simplest restriction that stops 95% of the users is enough |
| 10:09.59 | Shirik | Personally I think people would be more supportive of you if you don't piss them off anyway |
| 10:10.14 | Shirik | but who knows |
| 10:11.08 | krka_ | i am not arguing that |
| 10:11.09 | nevcairiel | I've seen more and more software just tell you things like "Hey your key is a known warez key, but since you'll crack me anyway, here i just unlock for you. If you like me, please consider buying!" |
| 10:12.21 | krka_ | i'd even include a secret key in the binary |
| 10:12.38 | krka_ | like "I-AM-A-PIRATE-XRAFA23-XFAGJOA65SD" |
| 10:12.42 | Shirik | lol |
| 10:13.05 | krka_ | crackers wouldn't bother releasing cracks if it was trivial to find it by running strings |
| 10:13.17 | krka_ | and users might feel a little worse about using it |
| 10:14.09 | nevcairiel | I started buying software that i use on a regular basis a long time ago, anyway. I'll complain about bugs like anyone else, so i could as well support them, and its not like its really expensive on the most part |
| 10:17.52 | Tekkub | there are only two pieces of software I use that I'm *supposed* to pay for |
| 10:17.58 | Tekkub | Windows and Zoomplayer |
| 10:18.17 | nevcairiel | I got windows for free from MSDNAA, nice thing they offer :p |
| 10:18.30 | Tekkub | the fact that zoomplayer used to have a free version and doesn't anymore, makes me want to never pay for their software |
| 10:18.48 | Tekkub | where in the past I would have paid for the pro version if it worked well enough |
| 10:18.55 | Shirik | omg |
| 10:19.01 | Shirik | putting code in Microsoft Word is like... impossible |
| 10:19.02 | krka_ | i dont use software that isn't free |
| 10:19.10 | krka_ | mostly because i can't be bothered |
| 10:19.32 | nevcairiel | Shirik: don't use Word as your programming editor, its bad |
| 10:19.39 | Shirik | I already have the code |
| 10:19.41 | Tekkub | I just don't have need for anything paid |
| 10:19.43 | Shirik | I'm trying to put it in a paper I'm writing |
| 10:19.49 | Tekkub | not office nor photoshop |
| 10:19.52 | Shirik | but it wraps so I'm trying to adjust the tabulation |
| 10:19.54 | foxlit | nev: license prohibits you from using MSDNAA software for commercial purposes, yeah? |
| 10:20.00 | Shirik | and word's all like "Oh you meant doing this yeah?!" |
| 10:20.15 | nevcairiel | foxlit: yeah, but all i have is my home pc and home laptop |
| 10:20.26 | krka_ | Shirik: you need LaTeX :P |
| 10:20.32 | nevcairiel | (and the laptop only has linux on it!) |
| 10:20.45 | Tekkub | google docs! |
| 10:20.47 | Shirik | nevcairiel, you know Assembly. Wtf is mov -0x34(%ebp),%ebx |
| 10:20.56 | Shirik | That's some assembly flavor I've never seen before |
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| 10:21.04 | Shirik | Output from objdump |
| 10:21.07 | krka_ | ur flavr, it hurtz me |
| 10:21.09 | nevcairiel | i prefer MASM syntax, that looks alot like gcc or something |
| 10:21.19 | Shirik | I do too |
| 10:21.32 | Tekkub | MASOCISM? |
| 10:21.53 | Shirik | I know for a fact that it uses AT&T notation, so it's backwards for one, iirc |
| 10:21.58 | Shirik | that is, the destination is EBX |
| 10:22.06 | Shirik | but wtf is -0x34(%ebp) |
| 10:22.18 | Tekkub | jibberish |
| 10:22.32 | Tekkub | not even reqexp quality jibberish |
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| 10:25.24 | Shirik | ah, it's [EBP-0x34] |
| 10:25.56 | Tekkub | guh |
| 10:25.57 | krka_ | fascinating! |
| 10:26.26 | Shirik | no, not fascinating |
| 10:26.28 | Shirik | someone needs to die |
| 10:26.53 | Teomyr | [EBP]-0x34 would make more sense imho |
| 10:27.09 | nevcairiel | different meaning |
| 10:27.27 | Teomyr | yep |
| 10:28.03 | krka_ | #wowuidev - for the people who just cant get enough of assembler |
| 10:30.06 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon! http://tinyurl.com/cg6rb4 | #wowuidev - for the people who just cant get enough of assembler - krka |
| 10:30.13 | Shirik | There, now it's officially on-topic |
| 10:30.21 | zenzio | assembly is cool, and you know it |
| 10:32.01 | nevcairiel | IMHO, every programmer should learn C and ASM just to understand wtf he is doing anyway |
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| 10:38.05 | mikma | oh lord |
| 10:38.25 | mikma | did i just guess the answer to latest house already |
| 10:40.17 | nevcairiel | huh? |
| 10:42.20 | mikma | 3minutes passed and answer gets slapped on your face? |
| 10:42.25 | mikma | we'll see |
| 10:42.33 | nevcairiel | nah it doesnt |
| 10:44.04 | mikma | good =) |
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| 10:51.01 | Shirik | nevcairiel: My paper proves that every programmer should be knowledgable about what's going on behind the scenes because the compiler must take the worst-case scenario |
| 10:51.04 | Shirik | :) |
| 10:51.20 | Shirik | Doesn't mean you should be fluent in assembly, just be aware of how to fix something if it comes up |
| 10:51.34 | nevcairiel | fluent in assembly takes some serious work |
| 10:52.36 | Shirik | "The compiler makes the logical assumption that each pixel is different and must be tested individually against the old maximum value. If this is truly the case, then the compiler is correct in assuming that the added complexity of movement between the XMM registers may actually reduce the performance of the code segment. In practice, this is rarely the case; typically the highest intensity is concentrated in a small subsection of the pixels. |
| 10:52.41 | Shirik | ^ Sample paragraph :) |
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| 11:20.18 | Aqua | .... god i hate probability some days |
| 11:20.57 | Aqua | lua> .99 ^ 201 |
| 11:20.57 | lua_bot | Aqua: 0.13263987810938 |
| 11:21.44 | Shirik | Aqua: You could just ask what you need :) |
| 11:23.05 | Aqua | say what? |
| 11:24.15 | Aqua | sorry i'm half here |
| 11:24.26 | Aqua | i just did my 201st run in stratholme for the mount |
| 11:24.44 | Aqua | 5 runs per hour, and i been doing atleast 15 per day |
| 11:25.19 | krka_ | 0.13 is the probability of not getting the mount after 201 attempts? |
| 11:25.48 | Aqua | roughly if my math is right |
| 11:26.06 | Aqua | lua> 1 - (.99^201) |
| 11:26.06 | lua_bot | Aqua: 0.86736012189062 |
| 11:26.28 | Aqua | the inverse of not getting it, so thats what i should have as a chance of getting it |
| 11:26.31 | Aqua | if my math is right |
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| 11:28.51 | Shirik | Sorry Aqua, trying to write stuff at the same time :) |
| 11:28.56 | Aqua | no worries |
| 11:29.05 | Shirik | what's the probability of getting it on any run? |
| 11:29.05 | Aqua | i should be in bed, but my ear infection is bothering me |
| 11:29.13 | Aqua | 1% |
| 11:29.24 | Shirik | Okay, so the probability of not getting it is 99%, right? |
| 11:29.27 | Aqua | right |
| 11:29.35 | Shirik | Then the probability of not getting it in n runs is .99^n |
| 11:29.40 | Aqua | so 1 - ( .99 ^ N) |
| 11:29.43 | Shirik | right |
| 11:29.55 | Aqua | 1 - (.99^201) = 0.86736012189062 |
| 11:30.08 | Shirik | that really sucks :) |
| 11:30.10 | Shirik | sorry |
| 11:30.12 | Aqua | its okay |
| 11:30.20 | Aqua | i just gotta vent |
| 11:30.28 | Aqua | and i can't addon write because i'm blocked |
| 11:30.31 | Aqua | out of ideas |
| 11:31.02 | Aqua | What i really want to write |
| 11:31.08 | Aqua | I'd need a team of like 10 people to do |
| 11:31.08 | krka_ | how do you know it's 1% per run? |
| 11:31.30 | Aqua | Blizzard stated in some forums posts (and i asked a gm directly) and they informed me it was 1% as of 3.0.2 |
| 11:31.31 | krka_ | is that an average, or is it exactly that, or is it conditional on something else? |
| 11:31.48 | krka_ | like, it's 1% _if_ you do A, B and C |
| 11:32.18 | Aqua | its 1% every run no conditions, just that you kill the bosses |
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| 11:33.30 | Aqua | Shirik: What i really want to write is a version of Rawr (or maybe a module) that lets you export info about upgrades and enchants, and have it automatically create a wishlist of sorts in the game, so that you can model your toon outside of wow, and take that model data inside of wow |
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| 11:33.54 | Aqua | since blizzard is adding the ability to play with talent trees inside of the game |
| 11:34.01 | Aqua | i figured it'd be a nice touch |
| 11:34.03 | Shirik | krka_: This isn't the first time I've heard of this |
| 11:34.14 | Shirik | It seems pretty much the consensus that it is indeed 1% |
| 11:34.22 | Shirik | (I just don't bother to remember the number) |
| 11:34.38 | Aqua | its 1% change every time you run the instance |
| 11:34.46 | Aqua | so each instance ID its a 1% chance |
| 11:34.55 | Aqua | all you have to do is clear the instance |
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| 11:52.08 | nevcairiel | Wait wait, baron mount without conditions? Where is the fun in the game these days? Make sure to be exalted Argent Dawn, and dance while killing him! |
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| 11:52.34 | zenzio | and don't kill any of his skeletons |
| 11:52.48 | zenzio | and Onyxia deep breaths more!!! |
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| 11:53.07 | Shirik | That was impressive |
| 11:53.11 | Shirik | My compiler killed my computer |
| 11:53.15 | Shirik | I hit "compile" and my entire computer froze |
| 11:53.25 | zenzio | o_O |
| 11:53.32 | nevcairiel | It didnt like your coding style, obviously |
| 11:53.38 | Shirik | I was following msdn! |
| 11:53.39 | zenzio | what on earth are you doing to be getting all these weird results all the time Shirik? |
| 11:53.47 | Shirik | Even though I didn't agree with it |
| 11:53.47 | nevcairiel | Shirik: thats the problem |
| 11:54.07 | nevcairiel | Your OS might be windows, yet your CPU doesnt have to like it! |
| 11:55.25 | Aqua | my pc just froze when i did a quick view of my video encode |
| 11:55.28 | nevcairiel | man i just spend an hour double checking some damn theory craft from EJ because two guys just couldnt stop arguing how the mechanic works, at least now i know who is right! |
| 11:55.42 | Aqua | who is right? |
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| 11:56.24 | nevcairiel | I dunno, forgot their names |
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| 11:56.42 | Shirik | ok, it's reproducable too |
| 11:56.44 | Shirik | I hit compile again and same thing happened |
| 11:56.54 | nevcairiel | I told you, its your code |
| 11:57.00 | Shirik | I'm making a copy of this code |
| 12:00.34 | Aqua | i'm going to bed |
| 12:00.35 | Aqua | later guys |
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| 12:11.21 | Teomyr | damn, i hate VGA |
| 12:11.24 | Teomyr | with a passion |
| 12:11.47 | Teomyr | dear hardware vendors, let it die and build decent hardware with DVI |
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| 12:20.57 | Shirik | I wish you could tell Visual Studio not to correct endianness when viewing registers |
| 12:23.32 | nevcairiel | Oh hey blizzy tooltips now show quest objectives for mobs and items on the ground |
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| 12:39.25 | ZorbaBeta | interesting, I'll have to start working on scraping that data |
| 12:47.03 | nevcairiel | one more mod i can simplify to not do that anymore :) |
| 12:47.39 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that'll also make a lot of my build process simpler, once I can rely on having enough data from that |
| 12:48.09 | nevcairiel | I wonder if it works on drop quests |
| 12:48.12 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder how it deals with complex goals like "go find this key, you can find parts on these three monsters, then you combine them" |
| 12:48.18 | ZorbaBeta | it does, I'm testing it on the PTR right now |
| 12:49.33 | ZorbaBeta | it's not very pretty though. it's kind of a nasty block of solid yellow text :P |
| 12:52.09 | nevcairiel | thats how it looked before with the addon i used to display that, too :P |
| 12:52.22 | nevcairiel | text is all you need. ) |
| 12:52.55 | nevcairiel | although before it changed color depending on my progression |
| 12:52.59 | nevcairiel | red for not done, green for done |
| 12:53.11 | nevcairiel | and orange to yellow in between |
| 12:54.53 | ZorbaBeta | there's a reason we're playing WoW and not a MUD ;) |
| 12:55.23 | nevcairiel | How else could i visualize a simple string that says "You need 8 of those, you have 2" |
| 12:55.43 | nevcairiel | simple, "QuestName 2/8" |
| 12:55.44 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 12:56.46 | ZorbaBeta | it's actually a little worse than that. if you have a quest with two drops from the monster you're targeting, you get something like: |
| 12:56.55 | ZorbaBeta | Go Get Some Skins |
| 12:57.00 | ZorbaBeta | Perfect Skin: 3/6 |
| 12:57.03 | ZorbaBeta | Imperfect Skin: 2/4 |
| 12:57.12 | ZorbaBeta | all the same color, font size, no idents |
| 12:57.14 | ZorbaBeta | *indents |
| 12:57.39 | ZorbaBeta | if the quest title were a different color than the objectives, or the objectives were indented, or a bunch of other possibilities, I think it'd be a little more intuitive to read |
| 12:57.50 | ZorbaBeta | still, I'm glad it exists at all |
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| 12:59.19 | nevcairiel | Hm there isnt even a feedback UI thise time |
| 12:59.20 | nevcairiel | -e |
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| 13:10.11 | alestane | PTR client seems crashy. |
| 13:10.16 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 13:10.18 | nevcairiel | 132 ahoy |
| 13:10.26 | mikma | http://paasio.com/temp/bow_murloc.jpg |
| 13:10.52 | nevcairiel | alestane: are any big changes to the secure stuff coming in 3.1? or just fixes for the obvious bugs? |
| 13:11.47 | alestane | nevcairiel: Mostly bug fixes. I haven't gotten to look over the new FrameXML to see what stuff under discussion may have made it in. |
| 13:11.56 | nevcairiel | nothing yet |
| 13:12.38 | alestane | Let me peek at the diff RQ. |
| 13:12.45 | nevcairiel | well one tiny change that loos like a bugfix |
| 13:12.49 | nevcairiel | which is like 3 lines |
| 13:14.18 | alestane | Okay, good, the fix for the new templates at least made it in. |
| 13:14.51 | alestane | I sent that one in as a critical bug fix, I expect to see more changes in upcoming PTR builds. |
| 13:16.27 | nevcairiel | at least they listen to that classification :)= |
| 13:16.58 | nevcairiel | also, someone poke iriel to start the 3.1 changes compilation |
| 13:18.08 | alestane | Iriel has been kind of swamped. Next time I see him I'll see if he needs me to start it or if he has time. |
| 13:18.20 | Shirik | (endTime.wYear - startTime.wYear)* 1000 * 60 * 60 * 24 * 365+ // Wrong for leap years but I'm not fixing it. This ain't gonna be no zune. |
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| 13:19.30 | nevcairiel | I wish i could post on the US forums, i hate asking people to repost the same issue again and again <.< |
| 13:20.11 | alestane | nevcairiel: I do expect more changes, but I'm hesitant to discuss them in detail until I see what actually gets into the upcoming builds. |
| 13:20.20 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Move to the cool part of the world |
| 13:20.39 | mikma | s/cool/cruel/ |
| 13:20.43 | nevcairiel | alestane: as long as it doesn't break my code, all is good |
| 13:20.49 | nevcairiel | Shirik: i would never even consider moving to the US |
| 13:20.56 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder why they have separate US and EU forums |
| 13:21.44 | nevcairiel | or someone get zoot back in here, then i could ask him directly why they fixed one combatlog event, but not the other one that suffers from the exact same issue :D |
| 13:24.25 | nevcairiel | but i'll just get someone to post that in the 3.1 thread when its there |
| 13:32.33 | alestane | What fix was this? |
| 13:34.20 | Shirik | nevcairiel, you make me sad :( |
| 13:34.27 | Shirik | Don't you want to move in with me? |
| 13:35.06 | nevcairiel | alestane: CLEU event SPELL_AURA_REFRESH did not supply a valid src player before 3.1, now it does. However, SPELL_AURA_APPLIED_DOSE suffers the same fate, and still does |
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| 13:35.48 | Shriik | And then nevcairiel crashes my IRC |
| 13:35.56 | nevcairiel | Shriik: you tried to compile it again! |
| 13:35.58 | Shriik | no |
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| 13:36.18 | Shirik | I fixed the problem |
| 13:36.26 | Shirik | I'm just getting timings now |
| 13:36.33 | nevcairiel | thats a hell of a "problem" |
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| 13:36.41 | Shirik | It's a lot faster than I thought actually, 2% of the frame time is WTF |
| 13:36.45 | Shirik | gtfo |
| 13:37.00 | Shirik | My client is locked up, but apparently it still knows how to reconnect |
| 13:37.17 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:37.26 | nevcairiel | Just the UI broken |
| 13:37.30 | Shirik | It won't quit |
| 13:37.34 | Shirik | wow |
| 13:38.04 | Shirik | Anyway, only 2% of the frame time (at 30fps) is required to process the frame |
| 13:38.07 | Shirik | I declare that a victory |
| 13:38.47 | nevcairiel | what do you do with all the other time? |
| 13:39.20 | nevcairiel | also, what was it before your assembly improvements? |
| 13:39.53 | nevcairiel | or 2% of the time before? |
| 13:40.08 | Shirik | I haven't tested it yet; but last time I wrote thsi code (this is a rewrite, actually) it was about 6 times worse |
| 13:40.21 | Shirik | And I think I did even better this time, so I'm hoping worse than that |
| 13:40.36 | nevcairiel | thats some good assembly |
| 13:40.54 | Shirik | No, it's some stupid compiler :) |
| 13:41.02 | Shirik | Or rather, compiler being too smart for its own good |
| 13:41.28 | Shirik | oof, that's interesting though |
| 13:41.40 | Shirik | The time is dependent upon the image |
| 13:41.56 | Shirik | My image I made to exploit a problem in the code makes it take 6% |
| 13:42.01 | Shirik | Didn't think it would be that different |
| 13:42.02 | Shirik | but interesting |
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| 13:52.11 | alestane | Okay, my current project on the PTR is "See if it doesn't crash every twenty seconds once I get out of Dalaran." |
| 13:52.39 | nevcairiel | Its better |
| 13:54.55 | alestane | Made it to SW. |
| 13:56.04 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/81381173 |
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| 14:00.57 | Shirik | nevcairiel: After getting confused by the original taking 101% of frame time, I realized my laptop is on power save mode and capped to 30% CPU :P |
| 14:01.04 | Shirik | Now to try again :) |
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| 14:48.10 | alestane | How on earth is chocolate supposed to help me achieve financial freedom? |
| 14:50.13 | nevcairiel | I bet the chocolate industry gets millions of it, just join in! |
| 14:50.17 | Wobin | You can eat it while raking in big sacks of cash? |
| 14:50.45 | alestane | Cold pressed Belgin dark chocolate that's caffiene free, rich with antioxidents helps you achieve optimum health and financial freedom. |
| 14:50.58 | nevcairiel | maybe its really cheap? |
| 14:51.06 | alestane | Of course, the fact that they can't spell leads me to believe they're just whoring for clicks. |
| 14:51.23 | nevcairiel | Isn't that the main purpose of every ad? |
| 14:52.21 | alestane | Yes, but some abandon any pretense of honesty and just hope you'll click on them and earn the poster $0.02 |
| 14:52.53 | alestane | Where has all the Peppys gone? |
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| 14:55.29 | Shirik | whee, all done |
| 14:55.36 | nevcairiel | I banished the peppys for claiming BT4 is still in Beta =P |
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| 14:55.55 | nevcairiel | Shriik: your client is all done with you, it seems |
| 14:56.07 | Shirik | I've... actually been disconnected for a very long time |
| 14:56.11 | Shirik | I have no idea what just connected |
| 14:56.13 | Shirik | literally |
| 14:56.17 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:56.18 | Shirik | I've restarted my computer since then |
| 14:56.34 | nevcairiel | (15:54:59) —› quit: (Shirik) (n=Shirik@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) (Nick collision from services.) |
| 14:56.37 | nevcairiel | that guy probably |
| 14:56.39 | Shirik | That was me |
| 14:56.46 | nevcairiel | you killed him |
| 14:56.48 | nevcairiel | and he came back! |
| 14:56.57 | Shirik | But then (09:55:35)  -› Join: Shriik (n=Shirik@132.253.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com) (clones with: Guest9298) |
| 14:57.05 | Shirik | So I dunno |
| 14:57.07 | Shirik | but anyway |
| 14:57.09 | nevcairiel | Guest9298 <-- more of you? |
| 14:57.14 | Shirik | Yes that's my desktop |
| 14:57.21 | krka_ | l2irssi |
| 14:57.25 | Shirik | nevcairiel, On average, time was cut by 80%. Worst case scenario (I designed a test case that exploits a known flaw in my assembly code) I still cut time by 54% |
| 14:57.26 | Industrial | ^ |
| 14:57.46 | Industrial | you cut time? nifty |
| 14:58.01 | nevcairiel | I can bend time, its much more efficient then cutting |
| 14:58.12 | Shirik | just have the computer move at speed of light |
| 14:58.16 | Shirik | you have all the time in the world |
| 14:59.01 | krka_ | i am not sure i'd trade all the energy in the world for infinite processing speed |
| 14:59.45 | nevcairiel | just throw an extension cord to the sun and get some juice |
| 14:59.55 | Shirik | I dunno, you'd be able to calculate every digit of pi, krka_ |
| 15:00.07 | nevcairiel | every? |
| 15:00.10 | nevcairiel | How do you know its done? |
| 15:00.21 | Shirik | Well |
| 15:00.28 | Shirik | We have infinite time to calculate |
| 15:00.29 | krka_ | since pi is a proven irrational number, you are guaranteed never to be done |
| 15:00.36 | Shirik | but we have infinite time to calculate |
| 15:01.09 | nevcairiel | infiniate digits in infinite time, that will still never be "done" |
| 15:01.12 | nevcairiel | -a |
| 15:01.58 | Shirik | what will happen though |
| 15:02.00 | Shirik | what is the result? |
| 15:02.15 | Shirik | I think infinity/infinity is undefined, yes? |
| 15:02.21 | nevcairiel | Well you can't really have an result |
| 15:02.30 | nevcairiel | since the result is infinite too |
| 15:02.37 | Shirik | heh |
| 15:02.41 | Shirik | it would take infinite time to read it |
| 15:02.43 | Shirik | That's the answer! |
| 15:02.47 | alestane | I'd say, "undefined", yes. |
| 15:02.48 | Shirik | It's like quantum computing |
| 15:02.55 | Shirik | We have the answer, we just can't see it |
| 15:03.03 | Wobin | We have the technology! |
| 15:03.05 | nevcairiel | we can see parts of it |
| 15:03.05 | Thunder_Child | but you have 'infinite' time to read it..... |
| 15:03.08 | Wobin | We can rebuild him! |
| 15:03.18 | Adys | um |
| 15:03.21 | alestane | Infinity is not actually a quantity, so dviding it is problematic to begin with. |
| 15:03.26 | Wobin | oh wait, wrong reference |
| 15:03.28 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, i went there to >.< |
| 15:03.33 | Adys | infinity/infinity == 1, at least thats how I learned it |
| 15:03.40 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 15:03.48 | Shirik | lim(x/x) x->inf = 1, sure |
| 15:03.51 | Wobin | infinity is a concept |
| 15:03.54 | Shirik | but lim(x/inf) x->inf = 0 |
| 15:04.00 | Adys | well its a very conceptual 1 |
| 15:04.02 | Shirik | Because they're different, it's undefined |
| 15:04.10 | alestane | Also, which infinity? Aleph1? c? |
| 15:04.19 | krka_ | oh no, not another infinity discussion in a wow channel :( |
| 15:04.19 | Wobin | "Yes" |
| 15:04.29 | krka_ | suddenly everyone's an expert |
| 15:04.40 | Wobin | krka_: Naturally |
| 15:04.43 | Wobin | We all have access to the internet =) |
| 15:04.46 | Thunder_Child | it's not like anything else was going on in here krka_ |
| 15:05.00 | Thunder_Child | except bitching about the ptr |
| 15:05.02 | Adys | YOUR--- nevermind |
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| 15:05.08 | Shirik | krka_: Infinity is simple calculus |
| 15:05.12 | Shirik | it's one of the first things you learn |
| 15:05.23 | krka_ | for a narrow definition of infinity yes |
| 15:05.26 | Shirik | I think a decent number of people in here know calculus |
| 15:05.43 | Shirik | You only need the most basic definition to evaluate a limit |
| 15:05.52 | krka_ | afaik, most people only learn countable infinities |
| 15:06.14 | Adys | so uh |
| 15:06.18 | Adys | since you're all experts |
| 15:06.22 | Adys | and that this is ungooglable |
| 15:06.27 | Adys | and that i dont know C |
| 15:06.28 | krka_ | my point is that very few of us are experts |
| 15:06.32 | krka_ | i know i am not |
| 15:06.34 | Adys | whats the difference between long and LONG? |
| 15:06.45 | krka_ | i know enough about infinity to know that i don't know much |
| 15:07.00 | Shirik | Adys: LONG is a Windows define |
| 15:07.04 | krka_ | Adys: long is a keyword in c, LONG sounds like a #define |
| 15:07.08 | alestane | LONG is probably a macro of some kind. Most predefs and keywords in C are strictly lowercase. |
| 15:07.13 | nevcairiel | yeah has to be something funny in some header file |
| 15:07.15 | Adys | right, thanks Shirik |
| 15:07.17 | nevcairiel | its not a C thing |
| 15:07.31 | Shirik | No Windows API uses built-in types |
| 15:07.36 | Shirik | they always use macros |
| 15:07.40 | Shirik | LPCTSTR, etc. |
| 15:08.06 | krka_ | poor mans type safety :P |
| 15:08.16 | Shirik | It breaks type safety, sadly |
| 15:08.21 | Shirik | since they define BOOL to int |
| 15:10.02 | nevcairiel | what did you want? an enum? |
| 15:10.08 | nevcairiel | there is no real bool in C |
| 15:11.02 | krka_ | there is in C99 |
| 15:11.03 | Shirik | Stupid question :P |
| 15:11.05 | Shirik | I want C to die :) |
| 15:11.10 | Shirik | C++ ftw! |
| 15:11.43 | nevcairiel | C is ANSI C for me =P |
| 15:11.50 | krka_ | you like c++ and assembly, you're weird |
| 15:11.54 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:11.56 | alestane | From what I've seen, C99 is bascially C++ without the OOP focus. |
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| 15:12.40 | Shirik | Which is a good thing tbh |
| 15:12.51 | Shirik | I find C's lack of type safety scary sometimes |
| 15:12.56 | Shirik | C99 improved that a little bit |
| 15:13.11 | Shirik | And lack of // is qq |
| 15:13.24 | nevcairiel | yeah i was annoyed at that at first in ANSI C |
| 15:15.19 | Shirik | sadly, something still missing in C++ present in C99 is the restrict keyword, though |
| 15:15.27 | Shirik | And I don't believe that got in C++0x |
| 15:15.30 | Shirik | but oh well |
| 15:15.43 | Shirik | It's not like people use it anyway |
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| 15:51.05 | ZorbaBeta | does anyone know what a vaguely estimated 3.1 release date is? are we expecting this to be released in 1 month, 2 months, 3 months? |
| 15:51.13 | Shirik | soon |
| 15:51.28 | ZorbaBeta | how many months is "soon"? :P |
| 15:51.29 | Anaral | ZorbaBeta: When it's ready. |
| 15:51.39 | zenzelezz | vaguely estimated, I'd say 2-6 months |
| 15:51.44 | Anaral | I don't even think Blizz knows when. |
| 15:52.00 | ZorbaBeta | zenz, yeah, that's sorta the feeling I'm getting - from reports, it doesn't sound like it's showing up in under a month, at any rate |
| 15:52.01 | Anaral | I'm sure they'll want it out in time for summer break. |
| 15:52.10 | Shirik | ~soon |
| 15:52.11 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, soon is well before heat death, or http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon |
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| 16:00.50 | Adys | I just understood the difference between model:SetFacing() and model:SetRotation() |
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| 16:02.20 | nevcairiel | whats it? |
| 16:03.17 | Adys | SetFacing moves the model to face you |
| 16:03.29 | Adys | SetRotation "rotates" it, using its rotation animation |
| 16:03.42 | Adys | its the difference between char selection rotation and dressingroom rotation |
| 16:04.04 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 16:04.13 | Adys | theres no doc on this stuff :( |
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| 16:05.05 | nevcairiel | nah the whole 3D API is pretty much undocumented |
| 16:05.45 | Adys | Im writing a model lib |
| 16:06.00 | Adys | currently cleaning it up |
| 16:09.18 | Anaral | Anyone else use XChat able to get www.xchat.org page to load? |
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| 16:09.57 | Wimpsy` | Anaral: Yeah it loads just fine :) |
| 16:09.58 | Spellbinder | i'm not using xchat but the page loads |
| 16:10.41 | Anaral | hmm, okay, yeah, now firefox won't load google |
| 16:10.52 | nevcairiel | Hm did they release xchat for windows for free now? |
| 16:10.56 | nevcairiel | i remember they charging something |
| 16:11.09 | Spellbinder | ff loads google too |
| 16:11.26 | Anaral | There's xchat 2 that's free, but some features are not included. |
| 16:11.33 | Wimpsy` | Anaral: Try restarting your browser ^_^ |
| 16:11.36 | Anaral | I did pay the small fee for the extras |
| 16:11.46 | Anaral | Wimpsy`: Yep, that's what I did. :) |
| 16:11.48 | Spellbinder | ctrl+F5 |
| 16:12.12 | Spellbinder | empty's the cache |
| 16:13.25 | Wimpsy` | Bah stupid oUF layout |
| 16:15.05 | Cidan | You know what's awesome? |
| 16:15.24 | Cidan | When someone out in Cali uses your card and goes on an 8,000 dollar shopping spree at/around Disney Land |
| 16:15.32 | Cidan | That just makes my smile from EAR TO FUCKING EAR |
| 16:15.38 | nevcairiel | again? or still? |
| 16:15.40 | Cidan | Christ, can life take any more of a shit on me? |
| 16:15.43 | Cidan | no, again. |
| 16:15.45 | alestane | I don't know if I would call that awesome. |
| 16:15.48 | Cidan | Just discovered it today. |
| 16:16.00 | Wimpsy` | :( |
| 16:16.14 | nevcairiel | You're really out of luck with your cards |
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| 16:16.35 | alestane | That might make me smile if I had a way to hang them out to dry. |
| 16:16.38 | Wimpsy` | I know the code is extremely messy, but does anyone mind taking a look at my oUF layout? If i call self.Health.colorClass the bar wont update anymore. :( |
| 16:16.47 | Wimpsy` | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/108965 |
| 16:17.11 | nevcairiel | man thats way too long for me to read through |
| 16:19.30 | mikma | what the hell is this, Roll-window for Stone Keeper Shard?!? lol |
| 16:19.38 | mikma | last boss in UK and we all had to roll for the 4x |
| 16:19.42 | mikma | only one person got it |
| 16:19.54 | nevcairiel | yeah thats a bug |
| 16:19.58 | nevcairiel | happens from time to time |
| 16:20.01 | nevcairiel | not really that often |
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| 16:20.44 | mikma | neat ^^ |
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| 16:32.07 | Spellbinder | hmm |
| 16:32.13 | Spellbinder | link |
| 16:32.32 | Wimpsy` | i think he said google |
| 16:32.39 | Spellbinder | wow |
| 16:32.53 | Spellbinder | 404 or 500? |
| 16:32.58 | Spellbinder | or what? |
| 16:34.05 | Spellbinder | you checked your firewall? |
| 16:35.44 | Industrial | http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/blairholt.asp woohoo finally |
| 16:37.32 | Adys | kd3: ping |
| 16:37.43 | Adys | Theres a very fun wine bug on last git (well actually since .14 or something) |
| 16:37.49 | Adys | I just figured it out |
| 16:38.11 | Adys | but keypresses are always being repeated even when they shouldnt be, as long as you keep the key down |
| 16:38.46 | Adys | i noticed that with a macro, but the fun thing is |
| 16:38.59 | Adys | you could just stand there in front of a boss and keep 1 pressed, go afk. |
| 16:42.39 | Anaral | Spellbinder any sort of page. I get the 'Address Not Found' page load error. |
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| 16:44.12 | Anaral | Spellbinder: http://up.norganna.org/index.php/v583IfL/ffbug.jpg |
| 16:46.37 | Spellbinder | Anaral check so your firewall dont hinder ff |
| 16:47.10 | Spellbinder | you can't get to any page right? |
| 16:47.23 | Spellbinder | but you are connected since you are on irc |
| 16:47.30 | Anaral | It's random, some pages load, others don't. some I just have to hit refresh |
| 16:47.37 | Spellbinder | hmm |
| 16:47.57 | Spellbinder | have you tried to delete all cookies? |
| 16:48.32 | Anaral | Not my cookies. :( They're yummy and keep my forgetful brain from straining too much. |
| 16:48.57 | Anaral | So no... is there a way I can save them before removing? |
| 16:49.08 | Spellbinder | yeah i know but sometimes you just have too |
| 16:49.22 | Spellbinder | you could i guess |
| 16:49.32 | Spellbinder | but manually and it would take time |
| 16:49.40 | Spellbinder | you have that much to remember? |
| 16:49.58 | Spellbinder | can't you just type it down on a paper? |
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| 16:50.28 | Spellbinder | you tried ctrl+F5 i guess since i mentioned it before |
| 16:50.55 | Anaral | Aye. |
| 16:51.31 | Spellbinder | hmm let me think 2 sec |
| 16:52.15 | kraftman | could be a dns problem |
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| 16:52.42 | Spellbinder | only if it was dns he wouldn't get to any page? |
| 16:53.09 | kraftman | if 209.85.229.147 works but www.google.com doesnt, its dns |
| 16:53.09 | Spellbinder | dns is much like isp only in different stages |
| 16:53.14 | Qzot | test |
| 16:53.22 | Shirik | failed, Qzot |
| 16:53.23 | Qzot | Okay. I'm here, I guess... |
| 16:53.27 | Spellbinder | hmm try tracert that ip |
| 16:53.29 | Shirik | yes yes, you are |
| 16:53.34 | Spellbinder | Anaral |
| 16:53.39 | Qzot | Well, failed more than you know, unfortunately. :( You only saw the one success. |
| 16:54.07 | Anaral | okay |
| 16:54.38 | Spellbinder | or just use it in adress box |
| 16:54.46 | Spellbinder | sorry bout that |
| 16:55.03 | Spellbinder | <--- looking deep into the wiskey jar |
| 16:55.39 | Spellbinder | wait a min |
| 16:55.53 | Spellbinder | dns |
| 16:56.02 | Anaral | Works. But I also renamed the cookie file |
| 16:56.10 | Spellbinder | ah lol |
| 16:56.10 | Anaral | So um yeah. |
| 16:56.25 | Spellbinder | yeah i guess you need to delete the cookies then |
| 16:56.32 | Spellbinder | but make a backup |
| 16:56.53 | Spellbinder | and put them back one after one, you can't have that many with pw? |
| 16:57.49 | Anaral | lol, I am so forgetful I use firefox as my backup to my hand written list. |
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| 16:58.15 | Spellbinder | there is apps that can store all your pws too you know |
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| 16:58.30 | Spellbinder | but on the other hand pws are easy to make up and remember |
| 16:58.32 | Anaral | And there about a dozen sites that require me to change their password every 3-6 months so a global pass isn't really possible. |
| 16:58.43 | Spellbinder | aah |
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| 16:59.03 | Spellbinder | they should really change it for you and mail it to you |
| 16:59.15 | Spellbinder | o well thats another story |
| 16:59.47 | Anaral | Grr, just happened again |
| 16:59.57 | Spellbinder | in anyway best pw is more then 8 chars and mixed capital and gemen with numbers and thats easy |
| 17:01.16 | Spellbinder | Anaral and birthday, a1N9a9R5a6L (example) |
| 17:01.39 | Spellbinder | so remember pw's are easy if you think and use it wisely |
| 17:01.46 | Teomyr | there's a nice tool called apg which, in addition to completely random passwords, can generate "pronounceable" ones that are easier to remember |
| 17:01.55 | krka_ | i love apg |
| 17:01.57 | Spellbinder | kk |
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| 17:02.04 | Spellbinder | never heard of it |
| 17:02.10 | Spellbinder | <--- oldschool |
| 17:02.14 | Anaral | lol |
| 17:02.42 | Anaral | I'm old school too. And believe I'll be better off trying to remember passwords I make up than that are generated for me. |
| 17:03.27 | Spellbinder | sounds like it yeah, was the first thought through my head when i read generated, but then Teomyr said easy to remember |
| 17:03.42 | Spellbinder | easier even |
| 17:03.58 | nevcairiel | i usually just choose passwords by memorizing the typing patter on the keyboard, if someone would ask me for my password, i'm not even sure i _could_ remember it without a keyboard |
| 17:04.09 | Spellbinder | lol nice |
| 17:04.22 | Spellbinder | but you know where you fingers have been!? |
| 17:04.30 | krka_ | i pick a difficult password and then just use it long enough to memorize it |
| 17:04.33 | nevcairiel | sure, i can try and guess which keys are there |
| 17:04.43 | Spellbinder | nice |
| 17:04.44 | krka_ | and i dont use any autoremember-functions before that |
| 17:04.45 | nevcairiel | but it takes a while and is not perfectly accurate |
| 17:05.02 | krka_ | who said passwords had to be perfectly accurate? |
| 17:05.11 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 17:05.34 | nevcairiel | when i think too much about what my password was, i tend to get confused and cant even type it anymore |
| 17:05.36 | nevcairiel | its silly |
| 17:05.42 | Spellbinder | i can take a battle mix gemen and capital and put in a year or something inbetween |
| 17:07.16 | Spellbinder | also type it on a piece of paper, it doesnt HAVE to be under the keyboard |
| 17:07.24 | Spellbinder | put it in your wallet |
| 17:07.46 | Spellbinder | you'l be dead before they get your wallet, and if you are they can use the pw |
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| 17:08.06 | nevcairiel | its fare more likely that i get my wallet stolen then someone looking under my keyboard |
| 17:08.47 | Spellbinder | yeah but if they steal your wallet you can go home and change all pw's unless you are dead and then they can take it |
| 17:09.03 | nevcairiel | I don't want to change my pw |
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| 17:09.24 | nevcairiel | its a mess to change _all_ my pws on the interwebs |
| 17:09.29 | nevcairiel | and i only have like 3 different |
| 17:09.35 | Spellbinder | ok then if under the keyboard works better for you go with that then |
| 17:10.09 | Spellbinder | it's actually the same here, i have all mine collected near the comp, because no one gets in here |
| 17:10.12 | nevcairiel | I have it in an encrypted file on my filesystem, secured with another password thats also my OS login password |
| 17:10.27 | Spellbinder | but i think like if you have the comp at school or work |
| 17:10.56 | Spellbinder | thats another way nevcairiel as i said there is apps that keeps pw's |
| 17:11.17 | Spellbinder | but if some is cracking your comp your toasted |
| 17:12.17 | nevcairiel | its a small file, decoding it without knowing the password is virtually impossible due to lack of data to work on |
| 17:12.42 | Spellbinder | and when i had security in my comp network tech school, we cracked encrypted files and its baby toys |
| 17:13.33 | Spellbinder | cold beer or one more wiskey |
| 17:13.38 | Spellbinder | thats the question |
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| 17:19.38 | ronaldl911 | Hi All |
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| 17:31.02 | Anaral | Now I can't connect to the WoWError server... was two minutes ago, so probably unrelated. But geez this is getting old fast. |
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| 17:39.14 | Anaral | be back in a bit. |
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| 17:53.36 | Lunessa | station |
| 17:54.28 | p3lim | Is there some API to make new chatframes? |
| 17:54.33 | p3lim | Just spawning them that is |
| 17:54.39 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa. |
| 17:55.19 | Lunessa | Hi hi Lopeppeppy. |
| 17:56.54 | alestane | p3lim: There's a template in ChatFrame.xml, I think. |
| 17:57.00 | p3lim | Thanks ale |
| 17:57.04 | p3lim | Ill check |
| 17:57.13 | alestane | "Ales". |
| 17:57.18 | alestane | <-- not a beverage. |
| 17:57.38 | durcyn | looks like it's in FloatingChatFrame, fwiw |
| 17:58.18 | p3lim | Will that anchor it to the rest of the chat windows etc? |
| 17:58.26 | devZero | ugh.. ptr is driving me nuts |
| 17:58.31 | alestane | Okay. You and I need to have a talk about the meaning of the word "not." |
| 17:58.41 | Lopeppeppy | PTR was **invented** to drive players nuts. |
| 17:59.08 | p3lim | Im standing in the queue to get into the queue to make a character on the PTR |
| 17:59.08 | alestane | It's crashing pretty greivously this cycle. |
| 17:59.09 | p3lim | -.- |
| 17:59.20 | devZero | I just wish it wouldn't crash everytime I decided to move |
| 17:59.21 | Lopeppeppy | I understand the same, alestane. |
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| 17:59.31 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: well, I had to see for myself. not take someone else's word for it |
| 17:59.44 | alestane | Um, hurray for science? |
| 18:00.32 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed, i can now state, with reasonable confidence, that you are NOT a beverage. |
| 18:00.39 | Lunessa | She blinded me with SCIENCE! |
| 18:00.57 | foxlit | not card games? |
| 18:01.29 | Lunessa | foxlit: The only card game I am looking to play right now is "poke her" - :P |
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| 18:01.47 | Lopeppeppy | Yay Lunessa! |
| 18:02.14 | alestane | Lopeppeppy apparently approves of this game. |
| 18:03.28 | Lopeppeppy | I'm always happy to see friends being happy and playing games. |
| 18:04.04 | devZero | world server is down... world server is down... |
| 18:04.06 | devZero | blah |
| 18:04.29 | Lunessa | We need a bus and back up! STAT! |
| 18:12.31 | Lunessa | So... How many of you are in the beta queue? http://www.quakelive.com/ |
| 18:14.24 | alestane | I hate barrow dens. |
| 18:14.26 | Lopeppeppy | BUS! Don't let the bus get below 55! |
| 18:15.40 | alestane | Haven't you heard that relationships based on intense shared experiences never last? |
| 18:16.56 | Lopeppeppy | Thank god. |
| 18:17.34 | Lunessa | Pure win: http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp02222009.shtml |
| 18:18.13 | alestane | Elevator talk FTL. |
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| 18:30.51 | p3lim | Anyone know what API/function is used when you press the following button?: http://upload.snelhest.org/images/090225t.JPG |
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| 18:31.54 | alestane | I would presume CreateFrame. But it should be in the code somewhere. |
| 18:32.18 | mikma | oh *wow* |
| 18:32.31 | mikma | nice bug, my friends gear went to red (0 dura) and all the gems and enchants disappeared |
| 18:32.41 | mikma | thank jebus relog returned them :D |
| 18:32.52 | Dagmar | They didn't come back after he repaired, or is this on the PTR? |
| 18:33.08 | mikma | they didn't come back after repair, LIVE |
| 18:33.16 | Dagmar | eep! |
| 18:33.29 | alestane | Fortunately, sounds like a display issue. |
| 18:33.38 | foxlit | p3lim: none |
| 18:33.42 | mikma | but gladly the relog did help |
| 18:33.47 | foxlit | Those frames exist to begin with |
| 18:33.47 | mikma | now the gems and enchants are back |
| 18:33.56 | p3lim | foxlit: How can I access them then? |
| 18:34.02 | mikma | was kinda "WTF" feeling to look his Armageddon without Berzerking enchant |
| 18:34.04 | foxlit | ChatFrame7 |
| 18:34.16 | foxlit | (as in ChatFrame1..ChatFrame7 are actual globals) |
| 18:34.20 | p3lim | Just using :Show()? |
| 18:35.13 | foxlit | Maybe, maybe not. |
| 18:35.17 | alestane | I don't remember if the default UI creates multiple chat frames at load, but it might very well. |
| 18:35.28 | foxlit | FloatingChatFrame.xml, if you're looking for it |
| 18:35.35 | mikma | don't think they will appear with Show() |
| 18:35.36 | nevcairiel | yeah it creates all 7 at load |
| 18:36.02 | alestane | The relevant widget type is "ScrollingMessageFrame". |
| 18:36.03 | nevcairiel | I used to dump debug info in 5 and then just show it when i got an error |
| 18:36.05 | p3lim | mikma: they did actually :) |
| 18:36.23 | mikma | ok cool. i use FCF_OpenNewWindow(); FCF_UnDockFrame(ChatFrame3) |
| 18:36.35 | p3lim | And there is the API |
| 18:36.47 | mikma | http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=mikma&path=%2FOratoria%2FOratoria.lua |
| 18:36.59 | mikma | sucky addon i wrote year ago and now i use it, again ^^ |
| 18:37.18 | p3lim | What is it doing? |
| 18:37.52 | mikma | makes 3 chats ontop of each other that can be resized with shift+leftclick on the tab (small -> large -> small) |
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| 18:38.28 | frop | evening |
| 18:38.40 | Lopeppeppy | heyo |
| 18:38.42 | frop | got a problem |
| 18:38.55 | frop | everytime someone log in/out i get a 8s lagspike :P |
| 18:38.58 | alestane | I have a solution, maybe they match. |
| 18:39.15 | Lopeppeppy | frop, are you on the PTR or regular? |
| 18:39.20 | frop | regular |
| 18:39.27 | frop | with some addons...like 50 or so |
| 18:39.34 | alestane | Use any addons like Recount? |
| 18:39.37 | frop | which one should i check? |
| 18:39.42 | Dagmar | mikma: Allow me to suggest that if you elect to report that bug, you do it over email to wowgm@blizzard. All the "i kant reed so gud" people would go into an absolute *panic* on the forums if they saw it |
| 18:39.48 | frop | aye, got recount and Skada |
| 18:40.05 | frop | should i try to turn those off? |
| 18:40.09 | alestane | I'd clear the data for it if you haven't lately. |
| 18:40.17 | frop | mmmh |
| 18:40.18 | frop | trying |
| 18:40.20 | alestane | Or turn it off first and see if that helps. |
| 18:40.21 | mikma | dagmar: should i really? |
| 18:40.24 | Dagmar | QuestHelper is fun about sucking down loads of CPU during the starting phase |
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| 18:40.26 | nevcairiel | oh hey peppy, can i inform you that Bartender4 has been out of beta since september 2008? :) |
| 18:40.41 | mikma | lolbeta |
| 18:40.48 | Dagmar | mikma: Report the graphical bug? Absolutely. Let the newbs and illiterates see it? Definitely not. |
| 18:40.51 | frop | alestane trying to clear data first |
| 18:41.09 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry nev, I guess I have it mixed up with something else then. |
| 18:41.15 | frop | nope, reset doens't help |
| 18:41.18 | Lopeppeppy | I asked in here, but nobody corrected me. *gentle shrug* |
| 18:41.22 | frop | gonna try to disable skada first |
| 18:41.22 | Dagmar | There's already guys posting to the PTR forums saying they think the PTR killed their machine |
| 18:41.36 | alestane | But usually those addons are the biggest cause of big lag spikes because they tend to store up data and never let it go. |
| 18:41.38 | nevcairiel | You guys always do the important stuff in the EU zzz times |
| 18:41.40 | kaiden | Quick question, I understand that the wowui manager has been taken down because Shirik is redoing it, why was it taken down if there is no replacement ready though? Is it not fit to run in it's current state (the old version)? :) |
| 18:41.57 | nevcairiel | And i cant answer the US UI forums myself =( |
| 18:42.00 | Lopeppeppy | kaiden, ding ding. |
| 18:42.02 | NightHawkTheSane | not if you ask shirik. :P |
| 18:42.19 | mikma | dagmar: graphical? it's something else, because item lose the stats completely |
| 18:42.29 | mikma | even the linked items are empty |
| 18:42.29 | Dagmar | alestane: Yeah I have my doubts about whether or not I need to dig into BeanCounter/Auctioneer and try to cull the data |
| 18:42.29 | kaiden | ok, odd considering it never had any problems on my mac or my pc, must have been something on the backend that it was causing. |
| 18:42.32 | nevcairiel | thats shirik-logic, its not logical! |
| 18:42.42 | Dagmar | mikma: Allt he more reason to for god's sake don't let the newbs hear about it |
| 18:42.42 | Lunessa | It's ok Lopeppeppy, just don't ask him about BT3. :P |
| 18:42.56 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: *shrug* well, seeing as it never worked for me, i dont find it that illogical ;) |
| 18:43.07 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: i dunno, other people used it just fine |
| 18:43.25 | kaiden | i used it on 4 machines all different os's just fine :( |
| 18:43.26 | kaiden | :) |
| 18:43.47 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i've heard some people used it without problem, i think it was kinda hit and miss |
| 18:44.42 | Dagmar | I prefer macaroon 'cuz I've got pets and custom conditionals seem to be a bit easier to apply to it's bars |
| 18:44.43 | frop | nope, disabled both Skada and Recount...but i still get this 8s lagspike on any login&logout of friends and guildies |
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| 18:45.01 | alestane | Chat addons? |
| 18:45.08 | frop | using chatter |
| 18:45.16 | frop | never had such a problem |
| 18:45.23 | frop | trying to turn it off... |
| 18:45.25 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, did you ask the obvious question first, does it happen with NO addons enabled? |
| 18:45.39 | frop | arrgh...not tried... |
| 18:45.46 | frop | ...but i bet it's not :P |
| 18:45.48 | alestane | Well, no. That would be the first logical step. |
| 18:45.54 | Lopeppeppy | Don't bet, frop. Check. |
| 18:45.56 | Lopeppeppy | *grin* |
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| 18:46.30 | Lopeppeppy | And if you can't figure it out by randomly poking your addons, try the binary search pattern in the Addons FAQ on the UI/Macros forum. It will help you narrow it down more quickly than single-shot hunting does. |
| 18:46.52 | frop | Lopeppeppy aye, first half...then second half |
| 18:47.03 | Lopeppeppy | And so on. |
| 18:47.09 | frop | ...was just asking which addon could cause it :P |
| 18:47.33 | Lopeppeppy | The thing is... what is a smoking gun for one person might not cause a problem for you. There are so many versions of addons out there, so many OTHER addons to potentially conflict.... there's no one right answer. |
| 18:47.45 | Lunessa | frop: That's like asking "what's in this great big book I have, that I won't tell you the title of, and which you may not see." |
| 18:48.19 | frop | ...isn't chatter either :( |
| 18:48.35 | frop | all the UI was working fine till yesterday... |
| 18:48.42 | frop | when i upgraded all addons |
| 18:48.44 | Maldivia | bibi ? |
| 18:49.03 | alestane | Then yeah, disable everything, if that fixes it, to the restore by halves. if it doesn't fix it, run Repair if you're on Windows. |
| 18:49.08 | Lopeppeppy | First lesson -- always, always back up your Interface and WTF before you do updates, so you can revert. :) |
| 18:49.32 | frop | eheh i rarely get such bugs... |
| 18:49.48 | frop | ...last one was the "Nauticus" one... |
| 18:49.52 | Lunessa | Next you're going to say you use WoWMatrix... |
| 18:50.12 | frop | Lunessa nope |
| 18:50.25 | frop | i does it by hands, from wowace and wowinterface |
| 18:51.25 | Lunessa | Well, then you know which AddOns you updated. /facepalm. |
| 18:51.53 | frop | eheh...not really :) |
| 18:51.56 | frop | checking btw |
| 18:52.31 | Dagmar | After years of having major sets of upgrades break the heck out of my stuff, I check for updates about once a month if the stuff still works, and even then I do them one at a time |
| 18:53.35 | durcyn | i update daily, from source control, and i use gentoo. the bleeding edge is the place to be, baby. |
| 18:53.37 | Lopeppeppy | I back up my Interface and WTF folders about once a week or so, just to be safe in case my computer crashes or goes all Willy-Wonka on me. |
| 18:54.14 | Lunessa | durcyn: But... You don't ask someone to blind-troubleshoot for you either. |
| 18:54.25 | haste | too bad gentoo fails horribly on bleeding edge durcyn |
| 18:54.38 | Dagmar | That's why it's called "bleeding" edge. |
| 18:54.41 | Dagmar | Because you bleed. |
| 18:55.03 | durcyn | Lunessa: true, but that's not really a function of updating |
| 18:55.10 | durcyn | haste: sadly, true |
| 18:55.34 | haste | I've been pondering about switching to sourcemage myself |
| 18:56.01 | haste | seems it has a better package spec also, but I've yet to give it a whirl |
| 18:56.21 | Dagmar | Go for maximum pain. Use Slackware. |
| 18:56.34 | Dagmar | Then if you have something break you at least know who to blame. |
| 18:56.41 | durcyn | it's slightly less gimpy with overlays, but seriously, i shouldn't have to use that stupid layman tool to get perl 5.10 |
| 18:56.48 | frop | frugalware FTW |
| 18:56.49 | Dagmar | (the author of the custom SlackBuild, i.e., yerself) |
| 18:56.54 | Lunessa | haste: Is there a wiki somewhere for oUF or should I just stick to reading your source? |
| 18:57.05 | nevcairiel | haste and writing a wiki? |
| 18:57.11 | haste | Lunessa: source is really the best documentation on it |
| 18:58.05 | Lunessa | Ok. I just made the switch from Pitbull on Monday, and I was basically looking for online docs to read at work, but I guess I'll d/l a copy and read source. |
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| 18:58.18 | haste | oh it's online |
| 18:58.25 | haste | Lunessa: http://ixo.no/git/oUF.git/tree/ |
| 18:58.31 | Lunessa | thanks. |
| 18:58.53 | haste | consider the layouts I have "small" examples |
| 18:59.00 | nevcairiel | hm you dont even have inline comments :P |
| 18:59.14 | nevcairiel | ah some of the modules do |
| 18:59.29 | Lunessa | lol "globals makes SPICE FLOW!" |
| 18:59.29 | nevcairiel | or "elements" |
| 19:00.08 | haste | they never acted as modules before |
| 19:00.09 | Lopeppeppy | I'd be interested to see what you make of oUF, Lunessa, pitbull drives me MAD. |
| 19:00.47 | haste | most elements had cross-deps on other before oUF 1.3 |
| 19:01.20 | nevcairiel | Did someone write a config GUI for oUF yet? |
| 19:01.30 | Dagmar | Odd. I get along fine with PitBull, although it does tend to freak the heck out if you switch configurations while config mode is enabled |
| 19:01.36 | haste | no, but it should be easier now |
| 19:01.38 | Lunessa | Peppy - I grabbed the "zp" layout to use for now. |
| 19:02.03 | Stanzilla | Pitbull 4 is fine |
| 19:02.08 | Stanzilla | 3 had a weird config |
| 19:02.12 | Dagmar | I know I couldn't get along without the addon to PitBull that changes your config based on what zone/instance you're in |
| 19:02.32 | Lunessa | For those wondering what it looks like - http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/WoW%20Interface%20Gallery/UI-2009-02-23.jpg |
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| 19:04.07 | kd3 | Adys, pong |
| 19:04.08 | Lopeppeppy | Very simple, Lunessa. I might swap, I go nuts every time I want to configure Pitbull, and only find options by accident while I'm looking for other options.... |
| 19:04.24 | haste | oUF is so much better on that account, not :p |
| 19:04.24 | Adys | kd3: cf what i said under that |
| 19:05.00 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 19:05.01 | kd3 | >.< |
| 19:05.08 | Adys | haha its fun |
| 19:05.10 | Tem | oh epic fail |
| 19:05.16 | Lunessa | Yeah, oUF is "config without menus" |
| 19:05.19 | Tem | I didn't send my toon to the PTR with enough gold to do dual spec |
| 19:05.43 | nevcairiel | Oh hey something just reminded me, someone told me that a german PC magazine just recently did a article about how awesome WoWMatrix is <.< |
| 19:06.08 | haste | Lunessa: I would say: In general oUF is "config without config" |
| 19:06.20 | Lunessa | haste, yeah, that too. |
| 19:07.12 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, that's totally a win. *laugh* |
| 19:07.29 | Tem | anyone got any toons in the pve PTR with lots of gold? |
| 19:07.50 | durcyn | 30 some-odd, tem, how much do you need |
| 19:08.02 | Dagmar | I'm waiting for my herb hoarder to transfer over |
| 19:08.04 | Dagmar | Money I got. |
| 19:08.17 | Tem | Just shy by a couple hundred to try dual spec |
| 19:08.31 | Tem | though, I should probably keep more on hand for repairs when we start doing ulduar |
| 19:08.49 | durcyn | not sure i can log on from here though. what faction btw? |
| 19:09.01 | Tem | Alliance |
| 19:09.04 | Lunessa | I totally forgot to stock up on the gold when I coppied over. /facepalm |
| 19:09.21 | nevcairiel | thats why i simply keep my gold on my main |
| 19:09.26 | Dagmar | I just have a lot of herbs left over from the hoarding I did in the months before Wrath |
| 19:09.28 | nevcairiel | I'll copy it anyway! |
| 19:09.32 | Dagmar | Generally those take care of money problems |
| 19:09.58 | Maldivia | Tem: horde or alliance? |
| 19:10.04 | Maldivia | doh |
| 19:10.16 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: buffed i guess? |
| 19:10.26 | Maldivia | tem: name? |
| 19:10.27 | Stanzilla | ah no, buffed has their own updater. |
| 19:10.31 | Tem | Maldivia, Doloros |
| 19:10.42 | Tem | Maldivia, can I meet you in dalaran or something? |
| 19:10.45 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: gamestar i believe |
| 19:10.48 | nevcairiel | a real magazine! |
| 19:10.48 | Stanzilla | >.< |
| 19:10.57 | Gnarfoz | lol for referring to buffed as a magazine |
| 19:10.58 | Gnarfoz | epic fail |
| 19:10.59 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 19:11.04 | Gnarfoz | just like the entire page :D |
| 19:11.16 | Stanzilla | buffed = toilet paper with funny pictures |
| 19:11.17 | nevcairiel | yeah buffed is total fail |
| 19:11.20 | Maldivia | Tem: I'll try :) |
| 19:11.29 | Tem | Maldivia, <3 |
| 19:11.32 | nevcairiel | Don#t meet in dalaran |
| 19:11.35 | nevcairiel | its crash heaven |
| 19:11.36 | Tem | oh? |
| 19:11.38 | Tem | balls |
| 19:11.41 | Tem | I just ported there |
| 19:11.42 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: I have a bad habit of spending gold if I don't stash it. And I'm trying to save for three really big ticket items. |
| 19:11.51 | Dagmar | Get out as quickly as youc an |
| 19:11.57 | Maldivia | everywhere is crash heaven, but even more so where multiple players are |
| 19:12.02 | Dagmar | Being around other players seems to entice Error #132 |
| 19:12.03 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: is it really related to dalaran? I spent yesterday evening crashing all over the place |
| 19:12.05 | nevcairiel | Tem: just fly out of it into crystalsong, its already alot better |
| 19:12.09 | Tem | yeah I crashed on the load bar |
| 19:12.14 | Tem | world server down! |
| 19:12.17 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: dalaran i crash every 20s, outside every 5-10minutes |
| 19:12.19 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 19:12.23 | frop | mmmh |
| 19:12.25 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: :O |
| 19:12.32 | Gnarfoz | well, I crashed on Azuremyst |
| 19:12.38 | Gnarfoz | after being afk for 6 minutes |
| 19:12.41 | Gnarfoz | with NOBODY around ;( |
| 19:12.43 | frop | actually it was or "epgp-5.2 beta0" or "wintergrasp timer" |
| 19:12.47 | nevcairiel | well that fits the time, lol |
| 19:13.02 | Gnarfoz | it's like they never actually run the build they shipped |
| 19:13.03 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 19:13.04 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: yeah, uninitialized variables can be tricky :) |
| 19:13.13 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: what :O |
| 19:13.38 | Teomyr | ooh, crash heaven on PTRs? brings back memories |
| 19:13.41 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: take it you were refering to a ptr crash with 0xDDDDDDDC ? |
| 19:13.49 | Dagmar | Actually I suspect they just send it out broken to discourage the people who wouldn't file a bug report if it meant getting a 500 point stamina buff fof free |
| 19:14.10 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: possible. they're not google! :D |
| 19:14.40 | Dagmar | Yes, because Google is smart enough to not allow the nutjobs to encourage each other with troll posts |
| 19:14.47 | Maldivia | Tem, this might take a while - crash crash crash :) |
| 19:14.52 | Tem | oh my |
| 19:14.54 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: seen lots of those, but not certain if that one was one of 'em, there's been different ones than that, too... but how does the tiny error report lead you to such a rather definite diagnosis? |
| 19:14.55 | Tem | I crashed completely out |
| 19:15.06 | Lopeppeppy | Tem, I hear that's a consistent problem. |
| 19:15.09 | Gnarfoz | Tem: what did you expect? :D |
| 19:15.15 | Gnarfoz | these are client crashes |
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| 19:15.49 | Tem | I wasn't expecting a lcient crash |
| 19:16.03 | durcyn | 9614's favorite number is 132 |
| 19:16.03 | Maldivia | it crsahes.... a lot ! |
| 19:16.29 | Tem | Maldivia, I got out of dalaran |
| 19:16.29 | Maldivia | tem - if you can wait 20min, I'll be back then :) |
| 19:16.38 | Maldivia | I've crashed 5 times in arin :) |
| 19:16.40 | Maldivia | a row * |
| 19:17.33 | Tem | where are you? |
| 19:17.33 | Teomyr | back in the oldschool PTRs it was "don't target anyone or you'll crash" |
| 19:18.09 | Dagmar | That and "do NOT under any circumstances look the PTR directly in the eyes" |
| 19:18.17 | Dagmar | "Do NOT let the PTR smell *fear*" |
| 19:18.29 | Maldivia | almost at fp in dalaran :) |
| 19:18.59 | Teomyr | "Every time you copy a premade, Blizzard kills a kitten" |
| 19:19.28 | Lunessa | The PTR contains a glowing liquid core of unknown composition which fell to Earth, presumable from space. Do not taunt the PTR. |
| 19:19.31 | Tem | So |
| 19:19.43 | Tem | What's the deal with this Argent Tournament Grounds stuff? |
| 19:19.46 | Lopeppeppy | Also, do not press the candylike button. |
| 19:19.58 | Stanzilla | new 280% ground mounts :> |
| 19:20.12 | durcyn | Tem: it's a mounted combat system, you champion a faction and gain a title/mount/achievement |
| 19:20.13 | Tekkub | and new OCD achievements |
| 19:20.14 | Dagmar | Probably the combat mounts |
| 19:20.27 | Tem | oh I see |
| 19:20.30 | Dagmar | It looks like we're stuck with championing only our home city |
| 19:20.35 | Dagmar | So.. more goats. |
| 19:20.36 | Dagmar | Yay. |
| 19:20.55 | durcyn | if you're exalted you get a nifty "of Ironforge" title though |
| 19:21.04 | Maldivia | tem ? |
| 19:21.07 | Tem | oh awesome |
| 19:21.09 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I want to press the shiny, red, candy-colored button marked "History Eraser". |
| 19:21.10 | Dagmar | They're going to have to add some documentation about mounted combat to that quest log |
| 19:21.14 | Tem | your dot on the minimap is orange |
| 19:21.23 | Maldivia | class color |
| 19:21.27 | Dagmar | Perhaps a bread crumb requireing one demonstrate basic reading comprehension before you're let anywhere NEAR the combat mounts |
| 19:21.40 | Tem | Thanks, Maldivia |
| 19:21.40 | Dagmar | Lord knows they don't give you any hints about it now. |
| 19:21.43 | Tem | yeah, class color |
| 19:21.43 | Tekkub | there's an achievement for getting all the cities |
| 19:21.53 | Tekkub | so I don't think you're stuck with your shitty rams |
| 19:22.10 | kd3 | oh wow. the achievement date reset thing looks like it's happening again |
| 19:22.42 | Tem | kaboom |
| 19:22.42 | Lunessa | Tekkub: You could be stuck with shitty elephants? |
| 19:22.44 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, NO. |
| 19:22.45 | Dagmar | Tekkub: I wouldnt' even be able to get a ram if the dwarves weren't contractually obligated to give them to everyone short |
| 19:22.58 | Tem | so wait |
| 19:23.04 | Tem | 280% ground mounts? |
| 19:23.08 | Tem | like usable in azeroth? |
| 19:23.29 | Dagmar | That reminds me that I need to chase down an engineer on live now that I've got 19kg together |
| 19:24.02 | Tem | don't do it, Dagmar! |
| 19:24.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: i'd expect any new ground mounts are 100% speed :P |
| 19:24.14 | Tem | those mounts are horrendously annoying |
| 19:24.16 | Lopeppeppy | I heard there were some special city mounts that might be faster. |
| 19:24.19 | Gnarfoz | <kd3> oh wow. the achievement date reset thing looks like it's happening again < the what |
| 19:24.26 | Dagmar | If they fix the Aspect of the Cheetah double-stacking on mechano-choppers before I have a chance to try jumping the Thandol Span with one, I'll be sorely disappointed. |
| 19:24.42 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, Evil Knievel. |
| 19:24.47 | Dagmar | EXACTLY. |
| 19:24.57 | Dagmar | If I make it across I'm puttin a video on YouTube |
| 19:25.03 | kd3 | lmfao |
| 19:25.06 | Tem | hmm |
| 19:25.10 | Stanzilla | Swift Ironforge Ram - Summons and dismisses a rideable Swift Ironforge Ram. This is a very fast mount. < "very fast" == 280%, no? |
| 19:25.12 | Tem | my gear looks different |
| 19:25.26 | Tem | no sir, Stanzilla |
| 19:25.32 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 19:25.32 | Tekkub | "very fast" for land == 100% |
| 19:25.38 | Gnarfoz | can't rely on that text. |
| 19:25.50 | durcyn | "very fast" for flying is both 280 and 310 |
| 19:25.57 | Gnarfoz | ^ what he said |
| 19:25.57 | durcyn | not all 310s say extremely fast |
| 19:26.05 | Dagmar | Tooltip: "Please secure all hats and glasses before riding this mount". That's what I want to see. |
| 19:26.18 | Gnarfoz | I don't even know which ones actually do |
| 19:26.28 | durcyn | ashes of al'ar did, i think |
| 19:26.42 | Gnarfoz | nope |
| 19:26.46 | durcyn | hrm. |
| 19:26.53 | Gnarfoz | s3 drake, apparently |
| 19:26.57 | Gnarfoz | http://www.google.com/cse?cx=013064850417053219827:k8henqhurj4&q=extremely+fast |
| 19:27.20 | NightHawkTheSane | most 310's say extremely fast |
| 19:27.30 | NightHawkTheSane | but there are some that dont i think |
| 19:27.46 | durcyn | anyway, anyone have the spell IDs for the tournament mounts? it's gotta be in the PTR DBCs somewhere |
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| 19:28.07 | Codayus | Yes... Violet Proto-Drake says "very fast", but is a 310%. |
| 19:28.09 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: exactly the other way around. |
| 19:28.15 | Gnarfoz | all 5 arena drakes do, none else seem to. |
| 19:28.19 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=-5&filter=na=extremely;ex=on |
| 19:28.48 | Lunessa | Please keep arms inside the bounding box of this vehicle at all times, and your seat belt securely fastened until your flight has come to a complete stop. Thank you for flying on Goblin Rocket Express. |
| 19:28.56 | nevcairiel | Only 310 i got is a arena drake, so i wouldnt know any better |
| 19:28.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: well, there really aren't many 310's currently |
| 19:29.04 | Gnarfoz | I'm aware. |
| 19:29.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i think it's just arena drakes, ashes of alar, and a few achievement drakes |
| 19:29.15 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: not true, black proto drake from the achievements is 310 |
| 19:29.18 | Gnarfoz | it's not Ashes of Al'ar |
| 19:29.19 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 19:29.30 | nevcairiel | damn i type too slow |
| 19:29.31 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:29.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: that's not 310? |
| 19:29.44 | Gnarfoz | it is |
| 19:29.48 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't say extremly fast. |
| 19:30.00 | Gnarfoz | which was the point, the text can't be relied on to accurately represent the actual mount speed |
| 19:30.05 | Osagasu | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=40192 |
| 19:30.08 | Osagasu | ^-- Ashes |
| 19:30.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: er, yeah, what i meant was the only 310s (regarddless of text) are the ones i mantioned |
| 19:31.07 | Stanzilla | both achievement drakes are 310 |
| 19:31.09 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 19:31.12 | Stanzilla | heroic glory of the raider and normal |
| 19:31.21 | Gnarfoz | + violet |
| 19:31.22 | nevcairiel | plus the violet |
| 19:31.25 | nevcairiel | meh! |
| 19:31.29 | Gnarfoz | cheated by using signs :D |
| 19:31.31 | NightHawkTheSane | so sayign "most" in either respect is arguably a silly statement ;) |
| 19:31.34 | NightHawkTheSane | but this is totally off topic |
| 19:31.50 | Gnarfoz | now we could count the actual number of 310% mounts and determine a percentage! |
| 19:32.00 | Gnarfoz | anyone up for that since PTR keeps crashing and live is boring as hell? :D |
| 19:32.04 | NightHawkTheSane | or i could just say "fuck you blizzard" >< |
| 19:32.35 | nevcairiel | wonder if wowhead can filter that somehow |
| 19:32.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i desperately wish we had an api method to return type/speed of mount spells |
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| 19:32.59 | durcyn | it's in the aura tooltip, just not the companion spell/item tooltip |
| 19:33.06 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: filter what somehow? :) |
| 19:33.12 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: that doesn't help when you' |
| 19:33.16 | NightHawkTheSane | you're not on the mount ;) |
| 19:33.20 | durcyn | exactly. |
| 19:33.28 | Gnarfoz | wowhead has the aura tooltip, too |
| 19:33.37 | Gnarfoz | oh I missed a line. |
| 19:33.37 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=-5&filter=na=Increases+flight+speed+by+310%25;ex=on |
| 19:33.41 | nevcairiel | extended search, yay |
| 19:33.41 | NightHawkTheSane | also doesn't help in game ;) |
| 19:34.06 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: see my wowhead link earlier, also "ex=on" ;) |
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| 19:34.15 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 19:34.16 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 19:34.24 | kd3 | har, "Transfer Aborted: instance not found" |
| 19:34.29 | kd3 | yay for northrend taking a dive |
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| 19:34.37 | Gnarfoz | kd3: better than "no additional instances can be launched" :( |
| 19:39.23 | Lunessa | Hostess cupcakes are not the delicious treat of my childhood - they are cardboard covered in frosting. |
| 19:39.32 | durcyn | that's not frosting. |
| 19:39.33 | Lopeppeppy | .... do want. *whimper* |
| 19:40.11 | Dagmar | Dont' you wish you'd been a little less quick to respond to that. |
| 19:40.50 | Lopeppeppy | ... no. It might not be "frosting" but it's sugar. Do want. |
| 19:40.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Hm, when they added a crapload of graveyards in 3.0.8, did they just leave out felwood? fuck rezzing across the entire zone. >< |
| 19:41.02 | kd3 | anyone on brox alliance-side? |
| 19:41.07 | kd3 | need to form a quick raid real quick |
| 19:42.24 | Dagmar | I am but I've no faith the world server will stay up that long |
| 19:42.37 | kd3 | I just flew from utgarde to wrymrest |
| 19:42.38 | Lunessa | Seriously, that was the nastiest impulse buy ever. |
| 19:43.52 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sorry, Lunessa. *hug* |
| 19:43.57 | Lopeppeppy | But you should always have a snickers. |
| 19:44.00 | Lopeppeppy | Or Junior Mints. |
| 19:44.07 | Lunessa | Snickers bar rules. |
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| 19:44.21 | Lopeppeppy | Nom nom nom every time. |
| 19:44.38 | Lopeppeppy | Except those weird things with the Indiana Jones logo, where they added cinnamon and nutmeg for "exotic jungle flavor". |
| 19:44.42 | Lopeppeppy | What was up with THAT? |
| 19:44.56 | Dagmar | THe inventor of New Coke found another job. |
| 19:45.11 | Lunessa | Adulteration of the beloved Snickers bar is heresy. |
| 19:45.30 | Stanzilla | http://www.wow-europe.com/wrath/ulduar.xml < new video? |
| 19:45.57 | durcyn | not new. |
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| 19:46.12 | foxlit | I <3 the new design style |
| 19:47.07 | foxlit | (blizzard-designed pages got a lot more awesome from about a year ago) |
| 19:47.42 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.vitsoe.com/en/gb/about/gooddesign |
| 19:48.27 | alestane | I think I tried one of those. It was okay but a Snickers it was not. |
| 19:49.10 | Lopeppeppy | It was... chocolate and nuts and strange spices. Weird, edible, NOT a snickers. |
| 19:50.24 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. — Saint-Exupéry |
| 19:54.06 | Maldivia | kd3: found someone to form raid with? |
| 19:54.56 | kd3 | not yet. I'm flying to a-n right now to check those real quick before heading back to OS |
| 19:55.10 | Lunessa | - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15230880827&sid=1 - wtf? |
| 19:55.37 | Gnarfoz | kd3: check what? :D |
| 19:55.38 | Maldivia | kd3: name ? |
| 19:55.57 | kd3 | 'kaydeethree'. I'm just getting the proper map names for the instances so I can upload the right ones to the wiki |
| 19:56.03 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Coordinate-safe_maps |
| 19:57.12 | kd3 | could whoever sent that invite resend it? crashed out as I got it |
| 19:57.53 | Dagmar | Tacky as it may be you might have better luck with sending out random invites to anyone you see |
| 19:58.35 | Dagmar | Either the logging in Crystalsong is what's killing the world server, or things are more especially hosed today than I've seen them yet |
| 20:00.39 | alestane | JESUS MONKEY FUCK ON A STICK. |
| 20:00.49 | kd3 | ? |
| 20:01.06 | alestane | GODDAMN cahin mobs in Kurzen's Compound. |
| 20:01.10 | alestane | chain* |
| 20:01.18 | kd3 | ya. hate that camp |
| 20:01.39 | alestane | Eveytime I'm abot kill one, he runs just far enough away first that I get another 37. |
| 20:01.40 | Dagmar | It's only fun solo for people with multi-target fear and/or pets |
| 20:01.53 | alestane | I have a pet and it is not fun. |
| 20:02.02 | Dagmar | Warlock? |
| 20:02.08 | alestane | Hunter. |
| 20:02.17 | Dagmar | *boggle* |
| 20:02.31 | Maldivia | ok, both the PTR client and server are really unstable this build |
| 20:02.34 | alestane | Out of ammo, which might be part of my problem, and three levels lower than the mobs. |
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| 20:02.44 | Dagmar | Out of ammo? *facepalm* |
| 20:02.53 | Dagmar | You've heard the way people say "melee hunter", right? |
| 20:03.17 | durcyn | try turning with your keyboard and clicking raptor strike, it's a much more authentic experience. |
| 20:04.00 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:04.15 | Lopeppeppy | Alestane, in the compound I always, always have to pull waaaaay back and use stun stuff. |
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| 20:04.38 | Maldivia | tem, did you get to test dual spec then? |
| 20:04.47 | Tem | I did |
| 20:05.00 | Tem | I made one of my specs a blood dps spec |
| 20:05.05 | Shirik | you weren't on earlier today! |
| 20:05.08 | Tem | and I discovered that I still hate blood |
| 20:05.12 | Maldivia | it's really neat - except it's annoying for mana users :| |
| 20:05.14 | Dagmar | alestane: Dude, go to Booty Bay, buy more ammunition, and oh yeah, on your way back tame a gorilla |
| 20:05.19 | Tem | Maldivia, why so? |
| 20:05.19 | alestane | I am apparently not allowed to fight fewer than three mobs at a time here. |
| 20:05.29 | Maldivia | it drains 100% power to switch |
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| 20:05.43 | Dagmar | You prety much shouldn't be *able* to die there |
| 20:05.53 | alestane | Dagmar: I am so far into this cave now, and so close to the Bookmaker's stash, that FUCK ME if I am going to leave now. |
| 20:06.08 | Maldivia | Tem: as a warrior, rogue or Death Knight, you really don't notice your rage/energy/rune power going to 0... |
| 20:06.14 | Dagmar | ahahah deep in the cave and out of ammo. Delicious! |
| 20:06.20 | Maldivia | for for a caster, having the mana go to 0, is annoying |
| 20:06.24 | Tem | it goes to 0 when you swap specs? |
| 20:06.27 | Maldivia | yes |
| 20:06.28 | Dagmar | You should submit that to Ding! |
| 20:06.29 | Tem | ew |
| 20:06.31 | Adys | oh Maldivia |
| 20:06.39 | Maldivia | Hi Adys :) |
| 20:06.49 | Gnarfoz | how is that remotely relevant, lol |
| 20:07.09 | Gnarfoz | for what exactly were you going to switch specs that would require you to have full mana right afterwards? |
| 20:07.26 | Gnarfoz | (and which doesn't give you a way of quickly filling mana up again, at the same time) |
| 20:07.41 | durcyn | Tem: don't suppose you had a chance to peek at events when swapping, specifically if SPELLS_CHANGED fires? |
| 20:08.00 | Tem | I don't have any addons loaded on the ptr yet |
| 20:08.06 | Tem | and it's too crashy for my taste atm |
| 20:08.12 | alestane | I've been trying to avoid buying a full bag of ammo because supposedly they're making it non-consumable, but at this point it's going to be so long until 3.1 that I can't afford to do that. |
| 20:08.13 | durcyn | fiddlesticks etc |
| 20:08.43 | alestane | This would be a good place to remember tht I can shadowmeld. |
| 20:08.43 | Maldivia | alestane: non-consumable was pulled from 3.1, it's first in 3.2 or so |
| 20:08.43 | Spellbinder | whats a fiddlestick? |
| 20:08.52 | Spellbinder | don't fiddle with that |
| 20:08.57 | Spellbinder | hmm |
| 20:09.02 | Dagmar | alestane: Did you not pick a gathering skill or what? |
| 20:09.16 | alestane | Herbs, inscription. |
| 20:09.38 | Dagmar | OKay, so actually sell a few herbs then. Ammo really isn't supposed to be a significant cost at any level |
| 20:09.49 | Dagmar | Like one green drop sells for enough to buy half a sackful, usually. |
| 20:10.22 | Dagmar | I'm lazy enough that I actually mail dozens of stacks of it back to myself all the time |
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| 20:10.57 | alestane | It's not really the cost, to be fair. |
| 20:11.42 | Lopeppeppy | It was the convenience versus waiting. |
| 20:12.11 | Dagmar | ...but to think 3.1 was even going to come out inside of two weeks... |
| 20:12.25 | Gnarfoz | I'm amazed you burden yourself with playing a hunter without ammo, lol |
| 20:12.26 | Lopeppeppy | Hope springs eternal. |
| 20:13.01 | kd3 | son of a |
| 20:13.08 | kd3 | "You have entered too many instances recently" |
| 20:13.28 | alestane | I was buying it, just in smaller doses...trying not to get stuck with extra. Fat chance of that. |
| 20:13.30 | Lopeppeppy | Bah, that sucketh. |
| 20:14.25 | Gnarfoz | get stuck with... how? :O |
| 20:14.29 | Gnarfoz | you're a hunter, you're gonna use it! :P |
| 20:14.57 | Gnarfoz | Position in queue: 60646 :( |
| 20:15.03 | Gnarfoz | quake live is crowded, kind of |
| 20:15.10 | Maldivia | hehehe |
| 20:15.10 | Cidan | It's not fun |
| 20:15.17 | Cidan | I've been in the beta for a while now |
| 20:15.21 | Cidan | It's Quake 3, only worse. |
| 20:15.27 | Maldivia | that queue looks like wow at 6pm server time |
| 20:15.29 | alestane | It was a faulty line of reasoning and I am paying the price for it now. |
| 20:16.30 | alestane | On the other hand, I am getting good practice at Immo trap and Wing Clip. |
| 20:16.49 | Maldivia | ohh, loot message was changed, it's not "Received 2 of item: [link]" instead of "Received [link]x2" |
| 20:17.04 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy ignores me :( |
| 20:17.10 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: now, if they fixed the bug where it says "got 1" when you actually got multiple |
| 20:17.29 | Adys | its when it creates 2 stacks |
| 20:17.33 | Shirik | Cidan: Really? |
| 20:17.44 | Shirik | Funny thing is I've never played Quake |
| 20:17.56 | Gnarfoz | alestane: at least you assure me that the logic to output "WARNING: THIS IS A MELEE HUNTER!!1" if class == hunter & STR > AGI in my armory bot ;D |
| 20:18.00 | Gnarfoz | Adys: is not |
| 20:18.09 | Adys | it is |
| 20:18.16 | Gnarfoz | well, is not only then |
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| 20:18.43 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sorry, Shirik, I've been head-down in this stupid newsletter, I can't find what you said that I ignored. Tell me? |
| 20:18.47 | alestane | Actually, was not doing too badly for chain pulling things 3 levels over me with no ammo. |
| 20:19.40 | Lunessa | I can't count the number of hunters I've seen who A) don't use a pet, B) Prefer Melee to Ranged or C) Both. FFS man, play a damned fury warrior or a rogue. |
| 20:19.42 | Maldivia | wee, got (dddddd)dc'ed again :) |
| 20:20.08 | durcyn | "received x of item" is for pushed items i.e. quests, "received item xX" is for looted items |
| 20:20.15 | durcyn | they're two different events and two different messages |
| 20:20.53 | alestane | There, got what I needed and got the hell out. |
| 20:21.14 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: mhhh you never replied to my question earlier :D |
| 20:21.20 | Lunessa | alestane: Hell is a good place to get out of. |
| 20:21.35 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: which question ? |
| 20:21.37 | Adys | night |
| 20:21.50 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: <Gnarfoz> Maldivia: seen lots of those, but not certain if that one was one of 'em, there's been different ones than that, too... but how does the tiny error report lead you to such a rather definite |
| 20:22.04 | Gnarfoz | (refering to the 0xDDDDDDC #132's) |
| 20:23.33 | alestane | There, 2400 solid shot. |
| 20:23.53 | Tem | ~laziness |
| 20:23.54 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:24.02 | Tem | ~impatience |
| 20:24.03 | purl | IMPATIENCE: The anger you feel when the computer is being lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to your needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least that pretend to. Hence, the second great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:24.07 | Tem | ~hubrus |
| 20:24.15 | Gnarfoz | ~fail |
| 20:24.16 | purl | [fail] what happens to you when you follow gamespot's game advice. |
| 20:24.16 | alestane | ~hubris |
| 20:24.17 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:24.20 | Tem | ~impatience |
| 20:24.21 | purl | IMPATIENCE: The anger you feel when the computer is being lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to your needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least that pretend to. Hence, the second great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:24.21 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 20:24.23 | Tem | er |
| 20:24.27 | Tem | ~fear of complexity |
| 20:24.28 | purl | FEAR OF COMPLEXITY: That which causes you to implement as little as possible, as simplicity is easier to fix. As well, that which prevents feature creep due to the environmental damage it causes. Hence, the fourth great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:24.37 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: well, I know that visual c++ has previously used 0xdddddddc as the default value for uninitialized variables |
| 20:25.03 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: haven't tested if that's still the case though |
| 20:25.13 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: now if we knew they used that :D sound theory, though ;) |
| 20:25.26 | zenzelezz | hm, really? I thought it was 0xcccccccc for uninitialized... or maybe that's the No Man's Land |
| 20:25.42 | Adys | youtube comments |
| 20:25.43 | Adys | This makes me wish there was a Warcraft Doom mod. That would've rocked! Blasting space orcs with fireballs and shizzle! |
| 20:25.52 | Adys | off to bed for good |
| 20:26.00 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: can't remember which compiler used 0xdeadc0de |
| 20:26.13 | Gnarfoz | Adys: reading some youtube comments before sleep to fuel the nightmares? :p |
| 20:26.44 | Maldivia | but anyway, no user space application on Windows should address anything > 0x7ffffff |
| 20:26.47 | Maldivia | f |
| 20:26.48 | Adys | Gnarfoz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAl6QBhkepY |
| 20:27.20 | Gnarfoz | Adys: heh |
| 20:27.31 | Shirik | Maldivia: That's not true |
| 20:27.34 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Kinda |
| 20:27.40 | Shirik | You guys are confusing things |
| 20:28.02 | Shirik | 0xcccccccc is the windows default heap allocated debug code |
| 20:28.17 | Shirik | 0xbaadf00d is also true, as well as.... |
| 20:28.20 | Shirik | one other |
| 20:28.26 | zenzelezz | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/127386/in-visual-studio-c-what-are-the-memory-allocation-representations |
| 20:28.29 | Shirik | no man's land (fence debug) is 0xfdfdfdfd |
| 20:28.29 | zenzelezz | funky |
| 20:28.31 | nevcairiel | deadbeef? |
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| 20:29.11 | Shirik | Deleted data is 0xdddddddd or 0xfeeefeee |
| 20:29.25 | Shirik | Oh yeah 0xcdcdcdcd is also newly initialized |
| 20:29.27 | Shirik | heap |
| 20:29.43 | Shirik | Those are the only ones I have memorized |
| 20:29.44 | nevcairiel | i remember deadbeef being used for something |
| 20:30.00 | Gnarfoz | yes, my WEP key |
| 20:30.01 | durcyn | mac addresses on old suns, wasn't it, nev |
| 20:30.30 | Tem | badcode |
| 20:30.42 | Shirik | But, zenzelezz & maldivia, it's important to realize that this has nothing to do with Visual Studio |
| 20:30.43 | Cidan | deadbeef is also free'd data, I believe. |
| 20:30.54 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> they totally just re-used st:vi footage in this voyager episode, didn't they |
| 20:30.59 | Shirik | This is caused by the Windows APIs |
| 20:31.09 | Shirik | e.g., HeapAlloc() is actually the initializer |
| 20:31.11 | zenzelezz | Shirik: I don't even know what they were talking about, I just saw "Visual C++" and a fancy hex address |
| 20:31.20 | Shirik | oh sorry zenzelezz :) I didn't read the entire conversation |
| 20:31.35 | zenzelezz | hehe, neither did I ;) |
| 20:31.41 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: because. also, which ep? |
| 20:32.10 | Shirik | ok, I go to school now |
| 20:32.11 | Shirik | baibai |
| 20:32.18 | Gnarfoz | you japanese now? :O |
| 20:32.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: 3x02, Flashback |
| 20:32.46 | Gnarfoz | aw crap, VOY is on CD, actually :( |
| 20:32.58 | Gnarfoz | before I had big enough HDDs :[ |
| 20:33.38 | Lopeppeppy | Bye, Shirik. |
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| 20:35.09 | mikma | http://video.aol.com/video-detail/sawn-in-half-magic-trick-revealed/4022614646 |
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| 20:43.39 | Kirov | Penn & Teller are awesome. |
| 20:45.58 | Thunder_Child | if you could vote for a fellow WoW player it would be most apreciated http://www.islandreefjob.com/#/applicants/watch/5dhvFJBp064 |
| 20:46.49 | Thunder_Child | s/apreciated/appreciated/ |
| 20:51.27 | Lunessa | Kirov: If you poke around you can see their shows "Penn & Teller's Bullshit." Always entertaining to watch, especially if you disagree with them. |
| 20:51.47 | Kirov | Lunessa - I've watched many of them. |
| 20:51.55 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Like, voting them off the island? |
| 20:52.11 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, no, "best job in the world" |
| 20:52.20 | Thunder_Child | it was origionaly postin in here a while back |
| 20:52.34 | Lunessa | Oh yeah, the island caretaker thing. |
| 20:52.37 | foxlit | I wonder how that URL works |
| 20:52.38 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 20:52.47 | foxlit | Considering everything under # isn't even sent to the server. |
| 20:52.52 | foxlit | s/under/after/ |
| 20:55.32 | Gnarfoz | http://fukung.net/v/2368/internet_layers.jpg |
| 20:56.03 | Lunessa | Do I even want to find out what /B/ means? |
| 20:56.16 | kd3 | one of 4chan's categories |
| 20:56.24 | Thunder_Child | one of their better ones |
| 20:56.37 | kd3 | though the btards are annoying |
| 20:56.41 | Thunder_Child | which isnt saying much because it's all garbage |
| 20:57.06 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5160183/a-chunk-of-the-iss-to-be-named-after-firefly |
| 20:57.10 | Lunessa | Actually, 4chan is something I've avoided pretty well, no need to start infecting my mind now... |
| 20:57.11 | foxlit | grr, rotational mechanics, my enemy |
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| 21:00.47 | Teomyr | foxlit, quite simple: it stops working once you disable javascript |
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| 21:01.26 | kd3 | son of a |
| 21:01.36 | kd3 | I zoned into EoE and now I'm stuck in a disconnect loop |
| 21:02.02 | foxlit | That is when your character clone #23423 comes into play |
| 21:02.03 | nevcairiel | someone reported that for naxxramas on the forums already |
| 21:02.48 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5159932/sarah-connor-chronicles-fake-dvds-back-cover-is-refreshingly-honest |
| 21:03.57 | Dagmar | Doesn't much matters since the world server is down, again |
| 21:04.29 | kd3 | whee. I'm saved |
| 21:05.58 | Thunder_Child | ooooo, i want http://i.gizmodo.com/5159785/berlekamps-switch-game-may-be-nerdiest-boardgame-ever |
| 21:06.02 | Lunessa | Send in the clones. We need more cannon-fodder. |
| 21:06.13 | Thunder_Child | it's lights out |
| 21:07.18 | nevcairiel | nah lights out was different |
| 21:07.28 | nevcairiel | you would select one, and all the fields next to it would switch too |
| 21:07.36 | Thunder_Child | well it's quite close |
| 21:08.19 | Fisker- | hey sexy kd3 |
| 21:08.23 | kd3 | hm? |
| 21:08.23 | Fisker- | wanna kill all humans? |
| 21:08.50 | NightHawkTheSane | same concept as lights out, just a different execution |
| 21:09.14 | Thunder_Child | *snicker* http://i.gizmodo.com/5159681/the-blowguard-keeps-teeth-away-from-penises-nsfw |
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| 21:10.12 | nevcairiel | people come up with the craziest stuff |
| 21:10.22 | nevcairiel | even too lazy to blow manually now, eh |
| 21:10.24 | kd3 | ahahaha |
| 21:10.42 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: you still have to manually blow, it's for the chewers out there |
| 21:10.51 | Kalroth | nothing worse than a sneeze at the wrong time .. |
| 21:10.55 | Syzgyn | Owww |
| 21:11.19 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: tehre is some vibrating thing in there |
| 21:11.41 | Kalroth | oh, I haven't tried it, so I wouldn't know |
| 21:11.53 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, but it doesnt rub it's self against your dick by it'self |
| 21:11.56 | Fisker- | kd3... |
| 21:11.59 | Fisker- | i'm disappoint |
| 21:12.13 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: you do need the girl for something |
| 21:12.54 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, cooking and cleaning? |
| 21:13.04 | nevcairiel | hm yeah thats good too |
| 21:13.07 | Thunder_Child | dell is having a 4 hour sale atm it seems |
| 21:13.08 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5159606/dell-is-having-a-4+hour-laptop-sale-startingnow |
| 21:15.50 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5159473/playstation-skin-disorder-is-a-real-disease |
| 21:19.38 | kd3 | wru kalimdor? |
| 21:20.11 | Lopeppeppy | nom nom nom *burp* |
| 21:20.56 | kd3 | whee, almost all of the instance maps are up... now if only I could get to cot:strat... |
| 21:21.16 | Dagmar | http://worldofwarcraft.mmocluster.com/img_achievements/45edebbffc9a164df8841ff612e2c026.jpg |
| 21:21.54 | ScytheBlade1 | 404! |
| 21:22.06 | Thunder_Child | worked for me |
| 21:22.09 | Fisker- | fail Thunder_Child |
| 21:22.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ... look at the points |
| 21:22.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Fail indeed |
| 21:23.30 | Thunder_Child | cant even provoke you people anymore w/o being failed at |
| 21:23.44 | NightHawkTheSane | thats just how much of a failure you are. almost as much as Fisker- |
| 21:23.52 | Thunder_Child | so it would seem |
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| 21:24.57 | Shirik | I love WWS's brokenness |
| 21:25.11 | Shirik | 23:09'08.312Wyrmrest Skytalon #31 gains Life Burst. |
| 21:25.20 | Shirik | I was unaware you can bring 31 people to Malygos fight |
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| 21:25.41 | durcyn | did you wipe previously in the same logfile |
| 21:25.58 | Shirik | No, we one shot malygos |
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| 21:28.23 | NeoTron | you hax obviously |
| 21:28.35 | Thunder_Child | how many of you would have gotten this one though http://worldofwarcraft.mmocluster.com/img_achievements/a4a098f6a163c5ca2c3955de31040aa8.jpg |
| 21:29.44 | Spellbinder | <NeoTron> you hax obviously <--- what is hax? |
| 21:30.06 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/02/25/funny-pictures-makin-u-1-next/ |
| 21:30.16 | Lopeppeppy | Wonder how many people can avoid being trolled in here.... |
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| 21:31.12 | Spellbinder | lol i figured it all wrong, i have to avoid |
| 21:31.38 | Spellbinder | i though fight them withh all means available |
| 21:31.46 | Spellbinder | nahg i didnt |
| 21:31.53 | Spellbinder | i usually ignore |
| 21:32.24 | kd3 | hokay. all of the instance maps in the game are now up. yay |
| 21:32.35 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Coordinate-safe_maps |
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| 21:33.40 | kd3 | still need maps for archavon and the ulduar raid... and all of the pre-wrath content, but hey, it's a start |
| 21:35.39 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/02/25/funny-pictures-a-tail-lidl-black-one/ |
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| 21:36.55 | Maldivia | kd3: you haven't uploaded the files, or? |
| 21:37.04 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: those comments make my head hurt |
| 21:37.07 | kd3 | they're up. ImageMap-* |
| 21:37.43 | alestane | And here's something to make your feet hurt: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/02/23/funny-pictures-of-angry-ferrets/ |
| 21:37.54 | Maldivia | kd3: ok, just looked at the page you linked, and the instance maps are empty there :) |
| 21:38.02 | kd3 | refresh |
| 21:38.07 | kd3 | I just purged the server-side cache |
| 21:38.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:38.18 | Maldivia | ahh :) |
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| 21:41.01 | Lunessa | kd3: <3 |
| 21:41.56 | KarlKFI | do those boss locations have a hover text? |
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| 21:42.09 | kd3 | not yet |
| 21:43.39 | KarlKFI | wonder why they decided to add them after all this time |
| 21:44.11 | Lunessa | Wait... these textures are all in the client and I never knew? /facepalm. |
| 21:44.19 | KarlKFI | 3.1 |
| 21:44.26 | KarlKFI | on PTR |
| 21:45.48 | Lunessa | Rocking. So does this mean that "feature" is that we'll get instance maps for "M" instead of the world map now? |
| 21:45.53 | kd3 | yes |
| 21:46.07 | kd3 | however, you can't arbitrarly select instance maps. you've gotta be in the instance to get it |
| 21:46.15 | KarlKFI | for now |
| 21:46.30 | Lunessa | That's more than fine for me. |
| 21:47.53 | durcyn | should be able to override that with an addon |
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| 21:49.07 | KarlKFI | easily |
| 21:51.24 | Tekkub | I GOTS OUT OF DALARAN! |
| 21:51.36 | Syzgyn | kd3: Did you just printscreen those out of the game? |
| 21:51.42 | Tekkub | faster my epic snowy gryphon, FASTER! |
| 21:51.51 | kd3 | syz; no |
| 21:51.59 | kd3 | pulled directly from the mpqs and stitched together |
| 21:52.03 | Tekkub | also, ye gods the world is ugly on lowest graphic settings |
| 21:52.03 | Syzgyn | ok |
| 21:52.08 | Tekkub | it's like, just blue haze |
| 21:52.32 | Syzgyn | So I assume the old world maps arent in game yet |
| 21:52.41 | Tekkub | instances? no |
| 21:52.47 | kd3 | syz; correct |
| 21:54.40 | Tekkub | who's on ptrpve right now? |
| 21:54.46 | kd3 | <-- |
| 21:54.53 | Syzgyn | me |
| 21:54.58 | Tekkub | names! |
| 21:55.01 | Syzgyn | till I get DC'd again |
| 21:55.02 | Syzgyn | <-- |
| 21:55.04 | kd3 | 'kaydeethree' |
| 21:55.07 | kd3 | I'm hiding out in strat |
| 21:58.21 | Lunessa | I'll check the PTR later, I copied Unkle over. |
| 21:59.08 | Shirik | Once Malygos is complete, you can still go in like 3 days later and ride the drake, right? |
| 21:59.27 | Syzgyn | I assume so, not sure |
| 21:59.50 | Lunessa | Shirik: If you want to ride a vehicle drake, you can take the Aces High! daily quest. |
| 21:59.57 | Shirik | not my intent |
| 22:00.17 | Syzgyn | Fun, switch specs and DC |
| 22:00.30 | Syzgyn | Or rather, switch specs and crash the world server |
| 22:00.33 | Shirik | haha |
| 22:02.41 | Shirik | ok I go home now bai |
| 22:04.34 | Gnarfoz | too bad he's gone |
| 22:04.43 | Gnarfoz | after soft reset, the platform comes back ^^ |
| 22:08.02 | Dagmar | Hmm... loooks like error 132 came back to play with world server down |
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| 22:15.45 | |Jelly| | RAWR |
| 22:17.45 | NightHawkTheSane | hm |
| 22:18.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm reasonably impressed with how fast my system opened, and then closed about 250some folders |
| 22:18.22 | Shirik | Okay |
| 22:18.25 | Shirik | I logged on |
| 22:18.29 | Shirik | and in guild I see online "Iriel" |
| 22:18.33 | Shirik | someone's messing with my head |
| 22:19.12 | NightHawkTheSane | could it be Iriel? |
| 22:19.17 | NightHawkTheSane | (messing with your head) |
| 22:19.41 | Shirik | nah |
| 22:19.45 | Shirik | this guy isn't smart enough |
| 22:20.03 | foxlit | passwd foo ... ssh foo@localhost "Permission denied, please try again." |
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| 22:20.35 | Shirik | is ssh enabled for the account? |
| 22:20.51 | Tekkub | *sigh* motivation, why doth thou vex me so? |
| 22:20.58 | Pytlask | Is there an AddOn author PTR guild yet? |
| 22:21.01 | foxlit | I would imagine that it is; how do I check? |
| 22:21.25 | kd3 | not yet. should probably make one |
| 22:21.33 | foxlit | has a proper home/shell, anyway. |
| 22:22.48 | Shirik | wait |
| 22:22.56 | Shirik | That's really the output? Permission denied, please try again? |
| 22:23.00 | foxlit | yes. |
| 22:23.18 | Shirik | It doesn't ask for password or anything? That's strange. I've never seen that error. |
| 22:23.23 | foxlit | No, it does. |
| 22:23.37 | foxlit | I omitted the prompt, just like passwd would ask for new password |
| 22:24.02 | foxlit | Point is, it appears not to accept the password ("server sshd[8191]: Failed password for foo from ..." in /var/log/secure) |
| 22:24.33 | Shirik | :( |
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| 22:27.49 | ScytheBlade1 | http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1141077&cid=26987859 |
| 22:34.40 | End | Obama is going to kill all the jews |
| 22:34.44 | End | I say it on the daily show |
| 22:34.48 | End | s/say/saw/ |
| 22:35.11 | foxlit | Obama is hitler and/or the beast. Perhaps both. I'm not sure. |
| 22:35.18 | foxlit | ^^ Awesome segment, that |
| 22:35.39 | p3lim | when I create a fontstring, how can type return 'table'? |
| 22:35.45 | p3lim | it doesnt make sense |
| 22:36.20 | foxlit | and your code is what? |
| 22:36.37 | p3lim | lua> f = CreateFrame'Frame'; t = f:CreateFontString(nil, 'OVERLAY') print(type(t)) |
| 22:36.37 | lua_bot | p3lim: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'CreateFrame' (a nil value) |
| 22:36.49 | p3lim | well, that |
| 22:37.03 | foxlit | well, yeah. |
| 22:37.08 | foxlit | It should be table. |
| 22:37.12 | p3lim | why? |
| 22:37.17 | foxlit | because it returns a table. |
| 22:37.28 | foxlit | type(CreateFrame("Frame")) == "table" |
| 22:37.31 | foxlit | ^ shock, horror. |
| 22:37.55 | foxlit | What did you expect; userdata? :) |
| 22:37.59 | p3lim | string.. |
| 22:38.17 | p3lim | notice i tried to print 't' not 'f' |
| 22:38.33 | p3lim | though lua_bot clearly dont have wow api |
| 22:38.37 | foxlit | Yeah. And what good is a string, Mr. Anderson, if strings are immutable types? |
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| 22:39.01 | p3lim | well I need to have a check if what im making is a table or a fontstring |
| 22:39.20 | Cide- | both |
| 22:39.22 | Cide- | a fontstring is a table |
| 22:40.11 | p3lim | i have a function |
| 22:40.18 | p3lim | it handles both tables and fontstring |
| 22:40.27 | p3lim | but needs a check |
| 22:40.28 | foxlit | A fontstring is not a type |
| 22:40.34 | p3lim | what is it then? |
| 22:40.44 | KarlKFI | voodoo |
| 22:40.47 | p3lim | -.- |
| 22:41.14 | p3lim | what else can I use to check? |
| 22:42.28 | Cide- | if obj.IsObjectType and obj:IsObjectType("fontstring") |
| 22:42.29 | Cide- | maybe |
| 22:42.44 | p3lim | ah yes |
| 22:42.46 | foxlit | Cide- is too helpful. |
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| 22:43.08 | Cide- | yep |
| 22:43.16 | Torhal | if type(font.GetFont) == 'function' then whatever end <- mayhap |
| 22:43.28 | Torhal | But I think Cide- has it |
| 22:43.32 | Cide- | of course I have it |
| 22:43.35 | Torhal | :D |
| 22:44.11 | foxlit | point is, every UI widget is represented by a table |
| 22:44.28 | foxlit | whose 0th index contains a userdata type that somehow represents the widget to C |
| 22:44.59 | p3lim | ok |
| 22:45.03 | p3lim | thanks for the help and the info |
| 22:45.07 | foxlit | The methods that you call on the widget "objects" are essentially called on the widget tables; and are contained in a metatable specific to a widget type. |
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| 22:59.06 | NightHawkTheSane | heh. the 5s cast to switch talent specs is affected by haste. |
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| 23:02.55 | Tem|work | Shirik: ping |
| 23:03.39 | Shirik | Tem|work: pong |
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| 23:04.30 | p3lim | found out an easier way |
| 23:04.56 | p3lim | say the fontstring and table have the same name, 'test' |
| 23:05.17 | p3lim | if #test == 0 then -- fontstring else -- table end |
| 23:05.31 | Tem|work | Shirik: I need to bounce my understanding of c++ memory management off you |
| 23:06.02 | Tem|work | suppose I have a class whose constructor takes a const char* for that object's name |
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| 23:06.17 | Tem|work | in that constructor, I should make a copy for the string, right? |
| 23:06.32 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:06.44 | Shirik | don't copy the pointer (in most cases) because you can't guarantee it will remain |
| 23:06.46 | Tem|work | assuming it's called via Whatever("literal string"); that pointer is only good until that function terminates, yes? |
| 23:07.10 | Shirik | ah now that's not true |
| 23:07.28 | Shirik | "literal string" will be part of the code section and will literally be read-only memory |
| 23:07.36 | Tem|work | mm |
| 23:07.37 | Shirik | and will persist as long as the program is running |
| 23:07.56 | Tem|work | well, same difference, I can't make that assumption |
| 23:08.17 | Tem|work | thanks |
| 23:08.23 | Shirik | np |
| 23:08.38 | Shirik | you're best making a copy if you can't be sure |
| 23:08.42 | Tem|work | right |
| 23:08.44 | Tem|work | oh |
| 23:08.45 | Tem|work | um |
| 23:08.48 | Tem|work | strlen |
| 23:08.51 | p3lim | Anyone know what RUNE_REGEN_UPDATE is btw? |
| 23:08.56 | p3lim | there is no wiki about it |
| 23:09.00 | Tem|work | if it's "abcd" what does strlen return? |
| 23:09.01 | Tem|work | 4 |
| 23:09.02 | Tem|work | ? |
| 23:09.07 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:09.13 | Teomyr | a function taking a const char* param asserts that it won't mess with the string. if you change it to just char*, it will issue a compiler warning if you call it using Whatever("literal string"); for the reason shirik mentioned |
| 23:09.14 | p3lim | its an event but doesnt say anywhere when it is fired |
| 23:09.15 | NightHawkTheSane | p3lim: if every UI object is a table, what's to stop someone from adding their owne lements to that table and changing #sometable |
| 23:09.38 | p3lim | NightHawkTheSane: exactly, they are allowed :) |
| 23:09.38 | Shirik | Teomyr: In C++, implicit conversion from const char* to char* is illegal |
| 23:09.48 | Shirik | it's not a warning |
| 23:09.50 | p3lim | NightHawkTheSane: the function supports both |
| 23:10.05 | Teomyr | Shirik: oh, well, it's been a while since i coded in C++, thanks :) |
| 23:10.14 | Tem|work | now something else that always eluded me |
| 23:10.17 | Tem|work | const char* |
| 23:10.25 | Tem|work | what are you actually saying is const there? |
| 23:10.25 | NightHawkTheSane | p3lim: my point is that testing for #t isn't a good solution :P |
| 23:10.30 | Shirik | The contents are constant |
| 23:10.36 | Tem|work | the contents of what? |
| 23:10.43 | Shirik | Of whatever it references |
| 23:10.50 | Tem|work | the memory or the pointer's location |
| 23:11.09 | Shirik | const char* foo = "a" you cannot set its contents to anything other than "a" |
| 23:11.29 | Tem|work | oh, so you're saying it's a pointer to a const char |
| 23:11.29 | Shirik | char* const foo = "a" you cannot change the address, but you can change its contents |
| 23:11.33 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:11.42 | Tem|work | yay |
| 23:11.49 | Shirik | const char* const foo --> you cannot change the contents or the address |
| 23:11.51 | selckin | you read it back to font |
| 23:12.04 | selckin | char *const foo, foo is const pointed to char |
| 23:13.02 | Tem|work | Shirik: const char* is not more like (const char)*? |
| 23:13.19 | Tem|work | (parens used for "order" only) |
| 23:13.29 | Shirik | it is like that ye |
| 23:13.30 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:13.37 | Tem|work | so then you *can* change the address |
| 23:13.44 | Tem|work | you just can't change anything at the address |
| 23:14.40 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:14.57 | Shirik | const char* const <-- neither the address nor the contents can change |
| 23:15.02 | Shirik | char* const <-- the address cannot change |
| 23:15.18 | kraftman | is there a simple way to sync addons without having to create a channel? |
| 23:15.30 | Shirik | SendAddonMessage |
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| 23:15.37 | Tem|work | oh I missed that second const |
| 23:15.47 | kraftman | SendAddonMessage onyl works for guild raid etc tho? :S |
| 23:15.52 | Shirik | right |
| 23:15.55 | kraftman | guild/raid/party* |
| 23:16.04 | Tem|work | Group, guild, individual |
| 23:16.11 | kraftman | ok |
| 23:16.21 | Tem|work | you can send messages to single people |
| 23:16.25 | Tem|work | but that's less desirable |
| 23:16.42 | Tem|work | since you end up with exponential growth on number of messages |
| 23:17.02 | kraftman | i basically just want my addon to go 'hey, im here!' and then find any other copies of the addon |
| 23:17.16 | Tem|work | what's it do? |
| 23:17.37 | kraftman | records duel information and sets up a ranking system similar to arena |
| 23:17.59 | Tem|work | probably better off using a hidden chat channel for that |
| 23:18.16 | Tem|work | you can pretty easily hide the chat channels with a MessageEventFilter |
| 23:18.22 | kraftman | ahh ok |
| 23:18.26 | kraftman | thanks :) |
| 23:18.47 | foxlit | You probably would want to bother with a MEF. |
| 23:18.48 | Tem|work | it still takes up a channel, though |
| 23:19.08 | kraftman | and theres no way fo doing it without taking up a channel? :S |
| 23:19.08 | foxlit | Just don't, you know, display that channel in any of the chat frames. |
| 23:19.12 | Tem|work | and remember that people can only have 10 channels |
| 23:19.26 | kraftman | of* |
| 23:19.43 | Tem|work | foxlit: a MEF is the least you should do imo |
| 23:20.02 | foxlit | Tem|work: it's overkill. |
| 23:20.02 | Tem|work | there are other places where in a perfect world you need to hide the channel |
| 23:20.12 | Tem|work | but they're amazingly hard to mess with cleanly |
| 23:20.24 | foxlit | You can join channels without forcing messages in them to appear in chat frames. |
| 23:20.25 | Tem|work | foxlit: *shrug* |
| 23:20.27 | foxlit | What more do you want? |
| 23:20.42 | Tem|work | if the user shows the channel |
| 23:20.48 | Tem|work | well I guess that's their fault |
| 23:20.51 | kraftman | the problem isnt really hding the channel |
| 23:20.55 | Tem|work | and I don't really have a problem with that |
| 23:20.58 | kraftman | its the fac ti have to use one in the first place :S |
| 23:21.03 | Lopeppeppy | I remember having to get rid of any of my "channel using" addons so that I could have the chat channels for raid organization. It was sadness. |
| 23:21.22 | kraftman | shame there isnt just a standard chat channel all addons use |
| 23:21.42 | foxlit | Meh, just set up |
| 23:21.47 | foxlit | "BandwidthWastingSpamChannel" |
| 23:21.52 | foxlit | It'll do nicely :) |
| 23:21.59 | Tem|work | you don't really want all addons sharing a channel |
| 23:22.10 | Tem|work | imagine if every user on the server was in that channel |
| 23:22.26 | Tem|work | and there were a large number of addons sending crap to it |
| 23:22.38 | Tem|work | but almost none of the people had all of the addons using the channel |
| 23:22.47 | kraftman | lol |
| 23:22.58 | Tem|work | now lots of people are getting lots of messages they don't need to get |
| 23:23.08 | Teomyr | I remember doing /chatwho LookingForGroup back when it was enabled |
| 23:23.28 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.31 | Tem|work | heh |
| 23:23.43 | kraftman | so pretty much my only option is to use a channel and hide it :S |
| 23:24.15 | Teomyr | unless blizzard comes up with a better solution of broadcasting things, yeah. if they intend it at all. |
| 23:24.16 | Tem|work | well, I haven't read up too much on the rating system used for arena, but do you really need a channel for this? |
| 23:24.35 | Teomyr | the addon messages were already a huge step for removing chat channel clutter |
| 23:24.54 | Tem|work | couldn't you just check the rating of the person you're dueling and adjust your rating like that |
| 23:25.16 | Tem|work | I guess for building a ladder you'd need some way to compare ratings for everyone |
| 23:25.21 | kraftman | yeh |
| 23:25.40 | kraftman | i have a table of everyone that has dueled near me |
| 23:25.52 | Tem|work | oh I see |
| 23:26.03 | kraftman | and then after a few days it sorts the active from the inactive |
| 23:26.10 | kraftman | to stop the table getting huge |
| 23:26.42 | Teomyr | either way you do it, it will probably be prone to manipulation if you accept data from other players |
| 23:26.56 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, you can't prevent that. |
| 23:27.12 | kraftman | i guess the more peopel have it the more accurate it will be |
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| 23:27.35 | kraftman | if one guy edits his rating but 3 other ppl with the addon havnt got that info, his will be reset |
| 23:28.09 | kraftman | or, not changed |
| 23:31.49 | Tem|work | yay hometime |
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| 23:36.51 | Thunder_Child | you know, i think i prefer XP's BSoD to Vista's attempt to 'recover video drivers' |
| 23:37.10 | Thunder_Child | at least it doesnt take 30 min of flickering screens |
| 23:37.17 | Lopeppeppy | .... no. I've been dealing with that BSoD for DAYS now... very hate. |
| 23:37.32 | Thunder_Child | BSoD is at least quick |
| 23:37.42 | Thunder_Child | vs 5 min of flickering...THEN a restart |
| 23:37.59 | Lopeppeppy | BSoD just sits there, no indication what's wrong, doesn't even *try* |
| 23:38.09 | Thunder_Child | set it to auto restart |
| 23:38.32 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 23:38.49 | Lopeppeppy | I'm lobotomizing it as soon as I copy off the last few files (I did get it to boot after an hour of restarting) |
| 23:39.26 | Thunder_Child | i should to that to mind as well but i am lazy and will just wait for win7 |
| 23:39.32 | Thunder_Child | s/mind/mine/ |
| 23:40.10 | Lopeppeppy | I can't wait, this is too frustrating. |
| 23:40.50 | kd3 | so, any high level whorde chars mess with the argent tournament yet? |
| 23:41.00 | Lopeppeppy | Aaaaand.... it froze again. *sigh* |
| 23:41.03 | Lopeppeppy | This is why it's gonna die. |
| 23:41.29 | Teomyr | Lopeppeppy, what's causing it? any suspicion? |
| 23:41.52 | Lopeppeppy | Teomyr, it's been freaky since I first had it Lego'd together, it's just.... not right in the head anymore. Needs to be killed. |
| 23:42.09 | Teomyr | oh |
| 23:42.58 | Thunder_Child | well in theory it's always PEBKAC from design/creation of hardware to desgin/creation of software to users. but as usual thats ultra literal. |
| 23:43.07 | Teomyr | be sure to check your RAM |
| 23:43.11 | Lopeppeppy | It's not even booting consistently into windoze anymore, it's hosed. Scrub and reinstall. |
| 23:43.18 | Lopeppeppy | Ram is fine, checked that a while back. |
| 23:48.12 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. did they nerf using nature's swiftness and a spell in a single macro at some point? |
| 23:48.30 | Lopeppeppy | Prolly, with a GCD |
| 23:48.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont recall NS getting a GCD at any point, but *shrug* |
| 23:49.12 | [draco] | there's no GCD on NS, afaik |
| 23:51.18 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, wait, i'm just an idiot and fucked up my macro, nevermind |
| 23:52.02 | Lopeppeppy | Well, can't help you if you can't spell, sailor. |
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| 23:58.32 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/a355_a10.jpg |
| 23:58.36 | mikma | buy a doggy |
| 23:59.19 | Lopeppeppy | Very friendly |
