| 00:00.08 | End | No on the X as well |
| 00:00.20 | Gnarfoz | alt-f4 = x |
| 00:00.21 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 00:00.33 | Gnarfoz | also, alt-space, "exit" also = that |
| 00:00.41 | Gnarfoz | they all should be doing the WM_QUIT thing |
| 00:01.08 | Gnarfoz | only taskkill /f should be doing whatever SIGKILL is equivalent to |
| 00:01.46 | End | well |
| 00:02.16 | End | there's WM_CLOSE as well, but I dunno what that one is for |
| 00:04.16 | Thunder_Child | worst. druid. ever. |
| 00:04.42 | Gnarfoz | "The WM_QUIT message is not associated with a window and therefore will never be received through a window's window procedure. It is retrieved only by the GetMessage or PeekMessage functions." |
| 00:04.52 | Gnarfoz | doesn't that contradict the "you can ignore it" thing? |
| 00:05.01 | Gnarfoz | (note: I have no clue about this :P) |
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| 00:09.30 | Arrowmaster | heh valve fails at utf8 too it seems, just noticed when i purchaced L4D they sent me an email where the headers said it was ISO-8859-1 but really its UTF-8 |
| 00:09.50 | End | lol |
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| 00:10.16 | Gnarfoz | mail servers are a bitch |
| 00:10.29 | Gnarfoz | scratch that, EMAIL is a bitch. |
| 00:10.37 | Gnarfoz | needs a replacement :( |
| 00:12.39 | Shirik | Woot |
| 00:12.43 | Shirik | Arathi Basin Perfection |
| 00:12.48 | End | gratz |
| 00:13.12 | End | now where is that AV Perfection? |
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| 00:14.03 | Shirik | no F AV |
| 00:14.27 | OsirisT | is Zeksie here? |
| 00:18.46 | Gnarfoz | ~seen zeksie |
| 00:18.48 | purl | zeksie is currently on #wowuidev #wowace #curseforge, last said: 'mmm. not had it not buffing for me. i'll check out later tho. about to run naxx tho. so gonna be semi afk from here mostly'. |
| 00:19.10 | Gnarfoz | checking your nick list would've done the same :p |
| 00:20.00 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: agreed, i hate email |
| 00:23.06 | Gnarfoz | it's ancient. :p |
| 00:24.05 | Gnarfoz | meh, deciding which BluRay-rip to watch first based on size (because I want to get rid of them :P) seems kind of vain xD |
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| 00:25.13 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 00:25.18 | Gnarfoz | dances with wolves is kind of... long |
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| 00:29.23 | Gnarfoz | nah, 4 hours is insane, I'd go to bed at 5:30 and have to get up at 7 :p |
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| 00:31.39 | Hjalte | If you have to get up at 7, why even start watching a movie now? :) |
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| 00:33.29 | Lopeppeppy | Hiya, Shirik. *hugs* |
| 00:33.32 | Lopeppeppy | Have a good weekend? |
| 00:38.01 | Shirik | ha |
| 00:38.02 | Shirik | no |
| 00:38.24 | Lopeppeppy | Ooops. I'm sorry! |
| 00:41.20 | Thunder_Child | AutomaticLFG Version: |
| 00:41.20 | Thunder_Child | Joins LFG-Channel, and disables itself when you join a group (do not put on WoWUI) |
| 00:41.25 | Thunder_Child | harsh |
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| 01:18.26 | p3lim | Anyone know if you can setup custom routes with TomTom and Routes? |
| 01:18.40 | p3lim | not herb ones, just a route from point A to point B |
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| 01:41.32 | NightHawkTheSane | you can set up any kind of route you want in routes, and manually edit it |
| 01:48.27 | p3lim | yeah just found out too |
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| 02:09.05 | NightHawkTheSane | weeee, 2800 dps on thaddius. as a resto shaman. >.> |
| 02:09.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:09.42 | ScytheBlade1 | that's not half bad |
| 02:11.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Indeed. whats depressing is that while we killed him, it was like ~5-6s after he enraged |
| 02:12.20 | ScytheBlade1 | you guild must be terrible |
| 02:12.24 | ScytheBlade1 | carried by a resto shaman's DPS |
| 02:12.26 | ScytheBlade1 | *your |
| 02:14.02 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah... kind of. |
| 02:14.07 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 02:14.10 | NightHawkTheSane | wasn't just me either, most of the healers were dpsing |
| 02:14.24 | NightHawkTheSane | it's a very casual guild and some of our dps are.. bad.. |
| 02:14.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Evidently |
| 02:15.07 | NightHawkTheSane | and a few people who fail at the whole charge thing |
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| 02:37.31 | kd3 | twenty two days |
| 02:37.31 | kd3 | wtf |
| 02:39.21 | Duman | lol |
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| 02:54.31 | batrick | i must have found some bug in less |
| 02:54.46 | batrick | it has like maybe 50 lines of text, and is using ~300 MB of RAM |
| 02:56.39 | Shirik | Trying to loot the mount from Sartharion |
| 02:56.44 | Shirik | Two people roll 90 |
| 02:56.49 | Shirik | roll off: both roll 12 |
| 02:56.59 | kd3 | lol |
| 02:57.02 | Shirik | that really sucks |
| 02:59.25 | Kaso | random number generator is clearly broken!!! |
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| 03:07.44 | Thunder_Child | i think firefox still has a few memory leaks |
| 03:07.51 | kd3 | few? |
| 03:08.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Step 1) Remove your extensions |
| 03:08.07 | Thunder_Child | since i am ideling at 689K |
| 03:08.09 | ScytheBlade1 | 2) Remove flash |
| 03:08.13 | ScytheBlade1 | 3) ??? |
| 03:08.32 | Thunder_Child | 4)profit |
| 03:18.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:18.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I think my UPS need servicing |
| 03:18.09 | ScytheBlade1 | MAXTIME : 0 Seconds |
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| 03:41.51 | kd3 | whee, 23 days |
| 03:45.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 03:45.34 | kd3 | the queue |
| 03:45.45 | ScytheBlade1 | oh lol |
| 03:45.47 | ScytheBlade1 | gg |
| 03:45.52 | ScytheBlade1 | That needs a screenshot |
| 03:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | okay that's a fun migraine |
| 03:47.42 | Cairenn | :( |
| 03:47.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm seeing things move that in all reality are not moving |
| 03:47.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That is new |
| 03:48.07 | Cairenn | that's not unusually for a lot of people |
| 03:48.12 | Cairenn | unusual* |
| 03:48.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I can make it happen with stuff like carpet whenever I choose, just a matter of uncofusing my eyes |
| 03:48.46 | ScytheBlade1 | The trick is here that my eyes are focused, and it's involuntary |
| 03:50.24 | Cairenn | sounds like what I've been going through for the last week or so, not related to my migraines for a change though |
| 03:51.16 | ScytheBlade1 | That actually kinda sounds like it'd be a relief if it WAS related to your migraines |
| 03:51.46 | Cairenn | well, since I'm looking at up to another 5 weeks or so of it, yeah, I wish it'd go away |
| 03:52.02 | ScytheBlade1 | What is it then? |
| 03:53.15 | Cairenn | BPV - benign positional vertigo - usually caused by a virus (cold, flu), can last up to 6 weeks |
| 03:53.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds fun! |
| 03:53.55 | Cairenn | happy happy joy joy |
| 03:54.16 | ScytheBlade1 | oh, ear related stuff |
| 03:54.19 | ScytheBlade1 | That makes sense |
| 03:54.20 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 03:55.11 | Cairenn | it's that the little (stone thingies, I know that isn't the right word, but I can't remember) in the inner ear get kinda messed up by a virus (typically) and can take a while to sort around |
| 03:55.21 | kd3 | cochlea? |
| 03:55.22 | Cairenn | funny thing is, I don't remember being sick at all |
| 03:55.27 | Cairenn | it just started out of the blue one night |
| 03:55.35 | Cairenn | oh fuck no! |
| 03:55.41 | kd3 | lol |
| 03:55.42 | Cairenn | I won't go on those even without it |
| 03:55.57 | Cairenn | 'coaster, sure |
| 03:55.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't see straight, but I can sure harass! |
| 03:55.59 | Cairenn | no spinny |
| 03:56.38 | Cairenn | I have a certain amount of vertigo as is, even without this, and spinny rides make me puke |
| 03:57.23 | Cairenn | hell, I can fall up stairs :p |
| 03:57.29 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 03:57.46 | ScytheBlade1 | You one of those people who can't sit facing backwards on a train/other fast moving vehicle? |
| 03:57.54 | Cairenn | completely true though - go walking up stairs, my vertigo decides to hit and I miss steps |
| 03:57.59 | Cairenn | I can't sit backward in a car |
| 03:58.02 | Cairenn | I can in a train |
| 03:58.08 | ScytheBlade1 | That is weird |
| 03:58.11 | Cairenn | I can't read in a car, either |
| 03:58.16 | Cairenn | car/bus/truck |
| 03:58.22 | kd3 | heh. I love reading in moving vehicles |
| 03:58.24 | Cairenn | trains & planes aren't a problem though |
| 03:58.26 | Thunder_Child | i always wanted to try NASA's G-force testing system |
| 03:58.33 | ScytheBlade1 | That is really quite weird |
| 03:58.46 | Cairenn | I can handle all kinds of G-force stuff, as long as it isn't spinny |
| 03:58.58 | Thunder_Child | it's a circular G-Force tester |
| 03:59.03 | Cairenn | loved it when the pilot tried to make me puke in a T-Bird |
| 03:59.05 | kd3 | a centrifuge? |
| 03:59.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone who goes to blizzcon, be sure to stick her on a tilt-a-whirl |
| 03:59.19 | Cairenn | not a chance in hell they'd get me on it |
| 03:59.20 | ScytheBlade1 | There has to be one in the relative near vicinty |
| 03:59.35 | Thunder_Child | kd3, somewhat |
| 03:59.37 | kd3 | get the cairenn drunk. anything's possible |
| 03:59.41 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 03:59.43 | Cairenn | I go on all the 'costers at Disney, but not spinny |
| 04:00.53 | Cairenn | but yeah, vision problems with migraines aren't at all unusual for many people |
| 04:01.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I've had my share, but |
| 04:01.19 | Cairenn | keep an eye on it though (pardon the pun), may be something you need to talk to your doc about |
| 04:01.22 | ScytheBlade1 | never seen things MOVE like this before |
| 04:01.55 | Tekkub | note to self, stay out of Dalaran on the weekend |
| 04:02.09 | Cairenn | Tekkub: heh, I can imagine |
| 04:02.15 | kd3 | hate dalaran... hate it |
| 04:02.18 | Tekkub | or Blow Zootfizzle to get a "DOn't give a fuck about other PC models in town" option |
| 04:02.20 | kd3 | always causes wine to crash |
| 04:02.27 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.32 | kd3 | ^^ |
| 04:02.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:02.57 | Tekkub | Dally doesn't crash for me, it just takes me back to the days of turning that corner in IF |
| 04:03.02 | Tekkub | x5 |
| 04:03.13 | Tekkub | and I have *much* better hardware then I did back then |
| 04:03.40 | WobWork | I remember staring at the floor in IF |
| 04:04.23 | Tekkub | it's really a damn simple solution, in town don't put any high priority on loading PC models |
| 04:04.33 | Tekkub | trust me, I don't give a fuck about these people |
| 04:04.48 | Tekkub | *maybe* give prio to people on friends/guild/party |
| 04:05.27 | Tekkub | I wonder if gnomish x-ray specs will help :) |
| 04:05.57 | WobWork | hehe or the underbelly elixir |
| 04:06.17 | Tekkub | but I can't port in with that up |
| 04:06.33 | WobWork | I hearthed in the underbelly |
| 04:06.46 | Tekkub | yea I might just do that myself |
| 04:06.55 | WobWork | less people hanging around |
| 04:07.17 | WobWork | and it has a mailbox/bank/gbank right there |
| 04:08.46 | Tekkub | there's a bank down there? |
| 04:08.55 | kd3 | right next to the inn |
| 04:09.13 | Tekkub | well fuck, yea if I don't have to run up top except to port to AH... |
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| 04:14.24 | WobWork | kd3: did you see that solo violin video? |
| 04:14.32 | kd3 | hm? |
| 04:15.42 | WobWork | http://www.wimp.com/violinistlive/ |
| 04:22.33 | ScytheBlade1 | yay gentoo |
| 04:22.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ssh: error while loading shared libraries: libcom_err.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:22.42 | kd3 | damn. that's something |
| 04:22.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone remind me friday to format and get rid of gentoo |
| 04:23.10 | Thunder_Child | dont forget to format and get rid of gentoo on friday |
| 04:23.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Is it friday? |
| 04:23.16 | kd3 | nuke it from orbit. it's the only way to be sure |
| 04:23.42 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? |
| 04:23.53 | ScytheBlade1 | com_err conflicts with e2fsprogs |
| 04:25.55 | ScytheBlade1 | now the question, is debian or fedora |
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| 04:28.11 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/fda_approves_depressant_drug_for |
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| 04:36.35 | Thunder_Child | streaming video that cant out stream the playing is FAIL! |
| 04:37.12 | Tekkub | get a better internet |
| 04:37.25 | Thunder_Child | i'm not at max |
| 04:37.28 | Thunder_Child | or anywhere near it |
| 04:37.29 | Tekkub | lies |
| 04:37.50 | Thunder_Child | you wish |
| 04:43.32 | Tekkub | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/22/parent-of-gamer-asks.html |
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| 04:49.42 | Tekkub | okey, nope, x-ray specs aren't helping with dalaran |
| 04:53.02 | Adys | django class names give me a headache |
| 04:53.03 | Adys | class ReverseSingleRelatedObjectDescriptor(object) |
| 04:53.08 | kd3 | gah. too goddamn cold |
| 04:53.21 | Adys | no use kd3 |
| 04:53.25 | Adys | tek got his xray specs |
| 04:53.42 | Tekkub | kd3's nipply |
| 04:55.18 | Adys | Tekkub: that link is quite awesome |
| 04:55.46 | Tekkub | it is? |
| 04:55.49 | Adys | yes |
| 04:55.53 | Tekkub | I thought is was kinda stupid |
| 04:55.54 | Adys | the last one |
| 04:56.04 | Adys | check the comments too |
| 04:56.26 | Tekkub | yea I generally avoid comments |
| 05:01.25 | Tekkub | yea that was a waste of braincells, I hate you :P |
| 05:02.26 | Adys | :D |
| 05:03.01 | WobWork | It was a good approach by the parents |
| 05:03.25 | Tekkub | IF it were just him playing |
| 05:03.49 | Tekkub | but they're punishing him for what his teammates do too |
| 05:04.03 | Adys | come on |
| 05:04.21 | Adys | do you really believe they'll check that, or that he will even tell his parents or anything if his teammates dont respect it? |
| 05:04.51 | Tekkub | if they're those kind of parents, they probably WATCH him when he's playing |
| 05:04.59 | Tekkub | otherwise it would have never even come up |
| 05:05.21 | Tekkub | they'd just think he' off learning about WWII in his realiztic game |
| 05:05.23 | Adys | the guy uses and abuses the word "he promised", "he said" etc |
| 05:05.26 | Adys | they wont watch him playing |
| 05:06.26 | Tekkub | it's just proof why I'm happy I'll never breed |
| 05:07.16 | Adys | i often see complete dumb parenting |
| 05:07.30 | Adys | worst is when its right there in front of you and you cant do anything |
| 05:07.33 | WobWork | I like this 'involved' parenting |
| 05:07.41 | WobWork | it's better than saying outright 'no' |
| 05:07.55 | Adys | this isnt bad at all, not sure if its good or not, depends on the kid |
| 05:08.06 | Adys | but its not "bad parenting" imo :P |
| 05:08.08 | Tekkub | o/~ how do I explain? I want to pop your bubble o/~ |
| 05:08.15 | WobWork | nah, it's good parenting |
| 05:08.47 | Tekkub | it's someone that doesn't play games trying to parent someone that does :P |
| 05:08.50 | WobWork | Whether or not the kid keeps his side of the bargain doesn't matter |
| 05:09.13 | WobWork | Tekkub: When the usual response is to outright ban it? |
| 05:09.27 | WobWork | I think this is a much more reasoned response to an unknown quantity like that |
| 05:09.31 | Tekkub | next up they're going to make him research animal cruelty when they see him killing tauren in wow |
| 05:09.44 | WobWork | Sure, Then he can join DEHTA |
| 05:09.46 | Adys | that's an idea |
| 05:10.37 | WobWork | Tekkub: but since the usual response towards video game violence from people who don't play video games, is outright banning of the subject, I -still- say this was handled better than that. |
| 05:10.52 | Tekkub | I guess i just think it's all dumb... my parents let me play Leisure Suit Larry back on the ol 286 |
| 05:11.04 | WobWork | The outcome doesn't matter, it's the methodology towards it |
| 05:11.06 | Tekkub | and I turned out perfectly normal |
| 05:11.10 | WobWork | hahaha |
| 05:11.13 | Adys | right |
| 05:11.53 | Tekkub | WobWork, yes it's better, but it's still not quite there :P |
| 05:12.08 | WobWork | So you prefer an all or nothing approach? |
| 05:12.18 | WobWork | I say it's great that they're making their way that way |
| 05:12.33 | Tekkub | I prefer the nothing approach, but we've already established that I won't breed |
| 05:13.03 | Tekkub | what they should do is play the fucking thing with him from time to time |
| 05:13.06 | Dagmar | I think perhaps the parents expected the game included innocent jewish children you could burn to death. |
| 05:13.20 | Dagmar | We have Jack Thompson to thank for those expectation. |
| 05:13.22 | Dagmar | s/ |
| 05:13.31 | Tekkub | understand what he's getting out of the game, and THEN correct shit if something's wrong |
| 05:13.48 | Aqua | wow |
| 05:13.54 | Aqua | that article is BS |
| 05:14.06 | Dagmar | It's either that or the parents saw an excellent opportunity to teach their kid why George Bush Jr is a d*ck. |
| 05:14.40 | Adys | Dagmar: the guy looks like he did a bit of research on the game |
| 05:14.42 | ccox | is there any addon (yet) that automatically congratulates guild members when they earn an achievement? |
| 05:14.42 | Adys | and honestly |
| 05:14.56 | Aqua | no offense but when I was 13 half the kids i knew were already having sex.... a little bang bang shoot um up isn't anything |
| 05:15.02 | Tekkub | ccox, if you care, type it yourself |
| 05:15.15 | Adys | I never had giant erections when playing pure FPS war-like games |
| 05:15.22 | Dagmar | What guy... how does he "look" this? |
| 05:15.24 | Aqua | ccox: I'll kill you if you were make such an addon |
| 05:15.37 | Adys | ccox: there is. |
| 05:15.45 | Tekkub | the solution is obvious... drop the realism, give him 8-bit blood shootemups |
| 05:15.47 | ccox | Tekkub: if I wasn't going to have it spew silly things, I would type it myself |
| 05:15.59 | Dagmar | The article looks to me like what I'd expect from someone who works in a museum... someone basically wedging in "education" wherever they can find a foothold. |
| 05:16.00 | Adys | nothing wrong with 8bit |
| 05:16.03 | Iriel | Doesn't automating it essentially make the congratulation worthless? |
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| 05:16.16 | Adys | Iriel: you mean like the GuildGreeter? |
| 05:16.17 | Adys | :D |
| 05:16.20 | WobWork | Aqua: er. The article is bullshit because you had no examples of good parenting at that age? |
| 05:16.21 | ccox | Aqua - that's ok, I'll just register it under yet another spare email address |
| 05:16.23 | Dagmar | There's not any way I can think of that you actually _could_ violate the Geneva Convention in CoD |
| 05:16.23 | Tekkub | what Iriel said |
| 05:16.36 | Iriel | like any number of poorly conceived auto-blah addons |
| 05:16.40 | Adys | yeah |
| 05:16.59 | WobWork | We have one of those in our guild |
| 05:16.59 | Aqua | WobWork: I had responsible parenting at that age, i'm just saying the article is bs because of the very end of it. |
| 05:17.03 | Dagmar | Not that I'm against people reading the text of the Geneva Convention |
| 05:17.04 | WobWork | except she types it out every time |
| 05:17.05 | Tekkub | yea see that's the other thing, I don't play the game so I don't know, but it sounds like they're trying to impose shit that flat out doesn't apply |
| 05:17.22 | ccox | Iriel - actually, my idea was to make messages making fun of people, and other guildies with auto congratulation macros |
| 05:17.26 | Tekkub | does the GC cover corpse camping? |
| 05:17.43 | Dagmar | I'm not even sure the Bible covers corpse camping |
| 05:17.48 | Aqua | WobWork: If anyone violates GC, i mean seriously, if the kid was acting more violent I'd take it away |
| 05:17.58 | Tekkub | what about snipering the flag carrier? |
| 05:18.05 | Dagmar | Otherwise we'd all be waiting outside caves to gank Jesus on Easter Sunday |
| 05:18.07 | Aqua | Part of the realism is the fact that nobody really obeys rules |
| 05:18.44 | Dagmar | Well, no one can really surrender, so the whole bit about how you treat prisoners of war doesn't even come into play |
| 05:18.46 | Adys | oh come on |
| 05:19.02 | Adys | you guys take it like his dad is going to beat him up and lock him in his room for a year if he breaks the GC rules |
| 05:19.07 | Dagmar | You can't exactly torture people either |
| 05:19.10 | Adys | take a chill pill seriously |
| 05:19.24 | Aqua | Thats not how I'm taking it... didn't mean to imply that |
| 05:19.26 | Dagmar | ...nor can you load your gun with specialized rabid bear ammo |
| 05:19.33 | Iriel | Basically they said "educate yourself and dont be a dick" |
| 05:19.43 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 05:19.46 | Adys | idd |
| 05:19.47 | WobWork | This ^ =P |
| 05:19.57 | WobWork | this is the damn point of the article |
| 05:20.04 | Tekkub | see now, the values I got from video games as a kid were... uh... |
| 05:20.05 | WobWork | Not "zomg he corpse camped!" |
| 05:20.14 | Tekkub | jump on people's heads |
| 05:20.30 | Tekkub | and throw red and white balls at forrest critters |
| 05:20.32 | WobWork | It's making the experience a -learning- one |
| 05:20.41 | WobWork | so instead of just teabagging opponents |
| 05:20.46 | WobWork | he knows about the GC |
| 05:20.47 | Aqua | See, i saw that out of it, but the last line was the buzz kill for me |
| 05:21.00 | Tekkub | but the GC doesn't cover teabagging at all |
| 05:21.04 | Dagmar | Um... no. |
| 05:21.08 | Dagmar | The game isn't a learning experience. |
| 05:21.14 | Tekkub | they need to get him some fetish books for that |
| 05:21.14 | WobWork | No the game is not |
| 05:21.18 | Dagmar | Mr. Spencer just shoehorned some learning in as a pre-requisite |
| 05:21.24 | Adys | Tekkub: I learned the basics of 3d rendering, a few programming languages and how memory editing worked through video games :P |
| 05:21.29 | WobWork | but the interaction between parent and child -because- of the game -is- |
| 05:21.34 | Dagmar | Not a bad trick, but still the article is a bit shortsighted |
| 05:21.54 | WobWork | The game was -never- considered a learning experience |
| 05:21.56 | Tekkub | I still say they need to just play the fucking game with him |
| 05:22.00 | Aqua | Meh, I should have never said anything, like all pieces in print there are always people who will see it all ways... |
| 05:22.09 | Dagmar | I mean you do remember how Jack Thompson was telling everyone a particular game was a "sodomy simulator" |
| 05:22.45 | Tekkub | what's wrong with sodomy again? |
| 05:22.57 | Tekkub | hemeroids? |
| 05:23.00 | Aqua | nothing wrong with it if you don't have a problem with it |
| 05:23.02 | WobWork | I think the actual question is "What's wrong with Jack Thompson" |
| 05:23.11 | Dagmar | Now there's a big question |
| 05:23.28 | Dagmar | ...espeically considering that half the gamers on the planet rushed out to buy Mass Effect just in case he was right |
| 05:23.34 | WobWork | hehe |
| 05:23.44 | Dagmar | My reaction was "Wait... that game isn't Japanese" |
| 05:23.50 | WobWork | Maybe he's a subtle mole for the gaming industry |
| 05:23.54 | Tekkub | why wouldn't you want to teach you kid how elastic his ass really is |
| 05:24.17 | Dagmar | because if you made a game like that, for once Jack Thompson would actually have reasonable grounds to file a lawsuit |
| 05:24.20 | WobWork | "I know, we'll hire an actor to be the ultimate troll" |
| 05:25.08 | WobWork | I would love it if suddenly Jack Thompson announces he was originally hired by The Onion =P |
| 05:25.49 | Tekkub | he doesn't have the top notch writers he would if he were with the Onion |
| 05:26.17 | Tekkub | you can tell he's not a parody by the crapp quality of his writing |
| 05:26.25 | Tekkub | *crappy |
| 05:27.23 | WobWork | Well the Onion only really got good writing in the last few years |
| 05:27.31 | Dagmar | ...and that The Onion has never randomly included gay pornography in any of it's articles. |
| 05:28.12 | Tekkub | Dagmar, uh, you sure of that one? |
| 05:29.14 | Tekkub | http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28491 |
| 05:30.05 | Dagmar | That's an article about a gay pride parade. |
| 05:30.18 | Dagmar | It's not a complete non-sequitir, and those images aren't hardcore porn |
| 05:30.30 | Tekkub | you didn't say hardcore |
| 05:30.37 | Kyahx | So you've seen hardcore gay porn to compare it to? |
| 05:30.47 | Kyahx | :p |
| 05:30.58 | Dagmar | They're not even porn |
| 05:31.05 | Tekkub | assless chaps has to be at least softcore |
| 05:31.10 | Dagmar | I'm on the _Internet_, dude. |
| 05:31.22 | Kyahx | if its NSFW its softcore IMO |
| 05:31.28 | Kyahx | I wouldnt consider that SFW |
| 05:31.30 | Tekkub | yea internet people forget softcore even exists :P |
| 05:31.38 | Dagmar | If you dont' tightly control who has access to your email address, you'll eventually get hardcore porn of many flavors in your inbox whether you wanted it or not |
| 05:31.58 | Tekkub | since when did people send porn spam? |
| 05:32.08 | Tekkub | all I get are links |
| 05:32.13 | WobWork | I don't even bother reading the spam folder anymore |
| 05:32.49 | Dagmar | Tekkub: It used to be common in the late 90s |
| 05:33.06 | Tekkub | dude that was 10 years ago! |
| 05:33.11 | Dagmar | Well, maybe not exactly common, but enough to make me glad I was using a text-only email client most of the time then |
| 05:33.16 | Tekkub | spam wasn't even a problem yet |
| 05:33.25 | Dagmar | Hah there's where you're wrong |
| 05:33.30 | kd3 | in the 90s? sure it was. we didn't have bayes back then |
| 05:33.35 | Dagmar | It was a problem then, it just wasn't a server-crushing DELUGE |
| 05:33.43 | Tekkub | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/denver_optometrist_not_sure_why_he |
| 05:33.49 | Tekkub | lawl, I live in Lakewood |
| 05:33.53 | Kyahx | I dont think Ive ever gotten porn in my spam folder |
| 05:33.59 | Kyahx | and Im fairly liberal with my gmail address |
| 05:34.28 | Tekkub | yea maybe gmail's just filtering it out before it hits my inbox at all or something |
| 05:34.31 | Dagmar | That's because Gmail isn't liberal about tolerating spam |
| 05:35.13 | Kyahx | Im an american, if I dont see it its obviously not a legitimate problem :) |
| 05:35.53 | Tekkub | http://xkcd.com/547/ |
| 05:35.59 | Tekkub | time for a subject change |
| 05:36.05 | Kyahx | augh... options: sellout.woot.com -- do I bite? |
| 05:36.19 | Kyahx | my current stereo is dieing :/ no sound out of the front right speaker channel |
| 05:37.52 | Dagmar | If you ever decide to do any home theater stuff, you'll probably want to check that it has six discrete inputs for 5.1 |
| 05:38.28 | Kyahx | ? whats wrong with toslink? |
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| 05:38.41 | Dagmar | It becomes nightmarish to do under Linux |
| 05:38.46 | Kyahx | ... |
| 05:38.59 | Kyahx | I dont think we are talking about the same thing |
| 05:39.10 | Dagmar | For more than simple stereo you have to use a library that falls afoul of patents, and therefore you have to wire that into ALSA yourself. |
| 05:39.13 | Kyahx | what does linux have to do with my television? |
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| 05:41.23 | Dagmar | I'm assuming you'll want some PVR functionality eventually |
| 05:41.26 | Kyahx | No |
| 05:41.59 | Tekkub | who records TV these days? |
| 05:42.01 | Kyahx | and if I did...it wouldnt be a linux box :P |
| 05:42.10 | Tekkub | besides the people supplying the torrents... :) |
| 05:42.18 | Kyahx | Tekkub: my thoughts exactly |
| 05:42.18 | Thunder_Child | you only have 18min Kyahx |
| 05:42.26 | Thunder_Child | to decide |
| 05:42.29 | Kyahx | I know -- thats why im debating it out-loud :/ |
| 05:42.44 | Kyahx | current stereo is dieing...but im not sure if I want to settle for one on sale or save for a "good" system |
| 05:43.14 | Tekkub | get a decent pair of 2.1 speakers for $30 |
| 05:43.22 | Kyahx | thats my other option |
| 05:43.25 | Tekkub | they've done me well for... god... 4 years now? |
| 05:43.28 | Kyahx | but I like 5.1 :/ |
| 05:43.49 | Kyahx | and I havent seen a good pair of 5.1 PC speakers that have long enough rear speakers |
| 05:44.08 | Tekkub | never quite got into 5.1 really |
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| 05:44.15 | Tekkub | yes, on star trek dvds it's fun |
| 05:44.18 | kd3 | extendo-cables |
| 05:44.23 | Tekkub | but I don't even do dvds anymore |
| 05:44.45 | Kyahx | I play a good ammount of 360 -- mainly Rock Band (which begs for a decent stereo system) |
| 05:44.54 | Kyahx | bah |
| 05:45.00 | Tekkub | pfft rock band |
| 05:45.05 | Kyahx | <3 RB |
| 05:45.07 | Thunder_Child | damit, why cant i canjure a mana gem...it keeps telling me i am trying to enchant something that doesnt exist |
| 05:46.24 | Thunder_Child | conjure* |
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| 06:14.25 | WobWork | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/22/parent-of-gamer-asks.html#comment-418876 |
| 06:22.35 | Tekkub | who needs to life weights, just get a cat to sleep on your arm |
| 06:22.52 | Tekkub | also, my left arm is getting tired, she needs to switch this shit up from time totime |
| 06:23.08 | Tekkub | s/life/lift/ |
| 06:23.40 | Adys | WobWork: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/22/parent-of-gamer-asks.html#comment-418901 |
| 06:23.46 | Adys | theres so much right with this comment |
| 06:23.46 | Adys | yet |
| 06:23.50 | Adys | so much wrong too |
| 06:24.11 | Tekkub | note to self, never link shit that isn't blatently retarded in this channel ever again |
| 06:24.21 | Aqua | hhaahahaha |
| 06:24.22 | Adys | hahah |
| 06:24.37 | Adys | unlike WobWork i havent been reading every single comment |
| 06:24.44 | Adys | i clicked his link and skipped 3 comments |
| 06:25.55 | WobWork | what can I say |
| 06:25.57 | WobWork | I'm at work |
| 06:26.03 | WobWork | and it's not like you lot are entertaining me =P |
| 06:26.20 | WobWork | anyway, home time! |
| 06:26.22 | Tekkub | get on wow and stop your bitching |
| 06:26.22 | Tekkub | god |
| 06:26.36 | Tekkub | we can't entertain you whenever you're bored |
| 06:26.41 | WobWork | sure you can |
| 06:26.44 | WobWork | *whipcrack* |
| 06:27.00 | Tekkub | maybe had your parents let you play video games as a kid you would have learned to entertain yourself! |
| 06:27.49 | WobWork | well I do |
| 06:27.51 | WobWork | when I'm at home |
| 06:27.55 | WobWork | but at work... |
| 06:28.18 | Tekkub | I fail to see the distinction |
| 06:28.42 | WobWork | that's cause you work from home? |
| 06:28.58 | Tekkub | STOP APPLYING YOUR LOGIC TO EVERYTHING I SAY |
| 06:29.16 | WobWork | Wouldn't that be a logical thing to do? |
| 06:29.30 | WobWork | Anyway, as I said, it's hometime, so I'm now off home |
| 06:29.34 | WobWork | (to entertain myself) |
| 06:29.46 | Tekkub | we don't want to hear about your wankin |
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| 06:30.15 | WobWork | That's not what you said last night =( |
| 06:31.16 | Tekkub | I did? |
| 06:32.17 | Adys | wow |
| 06:32.20 | Adys | what a retard |
| 06:32.37 | Adys | what a fucking asshat retard |
| 06:32.42 | Adys | Im going to kill this guy |
| 06:33.19 | Adys | some guy in chromium-discuss made a proposition to change the animated throbber in google chrome to an animated spinning G (which would be cute) |
| 06:33.25 | Adys | nevermind the copyright problem, this answer: |
| 06:33.37 | Adys | Isn't the idea of Chrome to provide a lightweight yet powerful browsing experience? So if we load it up with nice visual effects not only are we consuming more resources to provide the visual effects but it also means less time spent on the core functionality of the browser. |
| 06:33.45 | Adys | ITS A FUCKING APNG. |
| 06:33.45 | Tekkub | spinning g? |
| 06:33.59 | Tekkub | sping the simon wheel instead |
| 06:34.01 | Adys | yeah, a G rounded with the google colors, spinning in circle |
| 06:34.48 | Adys | ... the guy insists to get an image of smaller size |
| 06:34.56 | Adys | get me his home address and a knife |
| 06:38.45 | Dagmar | You don't need a knife, you need a truncheon. |
| 06:38.51 | kd3 | beat him with a rubber dildo |
| 06:40.51 | Adys | http://dev.chromium.org/user-experience/tabs/throbber |
| 06:40.55 | mikma | oh lol |
| 06:41.08 | mikma | gta rubberdildo beating |
| 06:41.16 | Tekkub | I love calling wait icons "throbbers" |
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| 06:43.03 | AbsolutRayne | |Jelly|: Poke |
| 06:43.07 | mikma | spinning g-spot |
| 06:43.15 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.23 | mikma | |jelly|: puke |
| 06:43.37 | AbsolutRayne | |Jelly|: Funny story |
| 06:44.02 | AbsolutRayne | remember what I was telling you about the me getting banned from Freenode, and I petitioned, got unbanned |
| 06:44.04 | AbsolutRayne | Came back |
| 06:44.10 | AbsolutRayne | god banned again yesterday |
| 06:44.13 | |Jelly| | owned |
| 06:44.19 | mikma | good |
| 06:44.23 | AbsolutRayne | Went to look into it, someone had already filled out the unban petition. |
| 06:44.26 | AbsolutRayne | Soooooo |
| 06:44.36 | AbsolutRayne | Something super odd is up with this ISP |
| 06:44.41 | AbsolutRayne | Same things happened to me on other sites |
| 06:45.10 | AbsolutRayne | mikma: So much hate :( |
| 06:45.53 | Adys | jesus |
| 06:45.56 | Adys | As of October 2008, it takes about three gigabytes of disk space to install and build the source tree. |
| 06:46.01 | Adys | (Chromium) |
| 06:46.23 | mikma | absolutrayne: lol, funny thing, remember when i said "joke is over, you can ban him again now" |
| 06:46.40 | kd3 | 3 gigs? for a fucking web browser? |
| 06:46.40 | AbsolutRayne | mikma: ... |
| 06:46.45 | kd3 | what the fuck |
| 06:46.51 | Adys | kd3: yeah and some layout tests |
| 06:46.55 | mikma | absolutrayne: dont you just hate me now? |
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| 06:47.06 | Adys | iirc firefox build repo is 800mb or so |
| 06:47.06 | AbsolutRayne | No, im just trying to figure this out |
| 06:47.31 | AbsolutRayne | How the bloody hell am I sharing an IP like this with someone...its kinda odd that they might be picking up on my infoz. |
| 06:47.35 | mikma | then i must try harder! |
| 06:47.54 | mikma | absolutrayne: do you have wlan? |
| 06:47.59 | AbsolutRayne | No |
| 06:48.18 | mikma | someone has stolen your interwebs |
| 06:48.19 | AbsolutRayne | Im banking its something stupid with the ISP |
| 06:49.09 | AbsolutRayne | The only person who could possibly steal it would be the neighbors, but theyre a good 2 kms down the road,and they have the same ISP |
| 06:50.35 | AbsolutRayne | Iunno |
| 06:50.45 | AbsolutRayne | Just doesnt make sense to me |
| 07:02.52 | Dezzimal | AbsolutRayne: I heard from a friend who was using a DD-WRT router to connect to the internet that he had the same WAN MAC as another guy who was plugged in to whatever switch the cable company provided his neighborhood with |
| 07:03.24 | Dezzimal | this caused substantial problems |
| 07:05.52 | Dezzimal | I'm not sure what kind of setup it was exactly, but I do believe that flashing your router with dd-wrt sets the wan mac to the some default |
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| 07:08.46 | AbsolutRayne | O_o |
| 07:09.03 | AbsolutRayne | Dezzimal: Ill look into that |
| 07:14.44 | Adys | wow |
| 07:14.59 | Adys | I forgot my yahoo username so Im making a new acc |
| 07:15.11 | Adys | I try all my account names one by one |
| 07:15.12 | Thunder_Child | wow, you fail |
| 07:15.20 | Adys | "Taken...", "Taken...", "Taken...", "Taken..." |
| 07:15.31 | Adys | after 10 tries I get a popup "Damn! That ID is taken aswell." |
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| 07:22.01 | Tekkub | damn you motivation |
| 07:33.29 | Thunder_Child | thats why demotivation wins hands down |
| 07:53.13 | Thunder_Child | nothing so random as playing a game where 2 white people have a black child |
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| 08:12.35 | Tekkub | Thunder_Child, recessive genes |
| 08:17.26 | NeoTron | Morasia of the Nightfall. I like |
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| 09:02.43 | Shirik | Tekkub: I don't think white is dominant |
| 09:03.02 | Shirik | :P |
| 09:03.40 | Tekkub | lol, I didn't mean to imply that |
| 09:04.18 | End | closet racist! |
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| 09:53.14 | sior|oifig | jnwhiteh, ping? |
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| 10:40.01 | foxlit | wowinterface moderators: delete your most recent thread |
| 10:41.31 | Shirik | foxlit: You'd get better response if you use names, but thanks :) |
| 10:41.59 | foxlit | Meh, I'm too lazy to do that translation. You guys should probably have "wowinterface" on a ping :) |
| 10:42.10 | Kirov | ? |
| 10:42.39 | foxlit | (then again, that might get noisy with all the links) |
| 10:52.45 | WobWork | interesting: http://www.wimp.com/kitephotos/ |
| 10:52.52 | WobWork | remember the xkcd kite photo thing? |
| 10:53.00 | WobWork | this guy takes it seriously |
| 10:54.34 | Kirov | I've seen a lot of fotographers who used kites long before xkcd brought it up |
| 10:55.14 | WobWork | yeah, just applying context =) |
| 10:55.26 | WobWork | so did this guy |
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| 11:13.01 | mikma | shirik: all of admins should just add "wowinterface.com moderators" in their highlight list |
| 11:16.08 | Fisker- | Just write the nick of all admins in the channel currently |
| 11:16.30 | Fisker- | and then copy the stuff you just wrote and hold down ctrl+v while in the editbox |
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| 11:38.48 | Shirik | night night |
| 11:39.02 | Adys | relink |
| 11:39.03 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-BZfFakpzc |
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| 11:42.11 | nevcairiel | thats pretty cool |
| 11:43.38 | nevcairiel | Hm is there a way to let the game scan a macro body and figure out the next action by itself, or do i have to go through every line of the macro myself and scan every line with SecureCmdOptionParse? |
| 11:43.54 | nevcairiel | (Just a macro snippet on a secure button, no real macro in the UI) |
| 11:53.04 | foxlit | nevcairiel: you have to do it yourself |
| 11:53.12 | foxlit | I've got some code you can steal, however :) |
| 11:54.05 | nevcairiel | i'm still wondering if its really worth it |
| 11:54.49 | foxlit | That's probably more a function of your intended uses for it :) |
| 11:55.20 | nevcairiel | I would have to register for a metric fuckton of events to update the icon properly |
| 11:55.57 | foxlit | Depends on the macros, but probably not |
| 11:56.46 | foxlit | Then again, I'm just abusing OnUpdate for the purpose |
| 11:57.03 | nevcairiel | heh, i wanted to avoid OnUpdating it |
| 11:57.20 | nevcairiel | Well the macro can in theory be anything the user inputs |
| 11:57.24 | foxlit | Then yes, you're stuck with a fuckton of events AND an OnUpdate anyway |
| 11:57.32 | foxlit | (castsequence reset) |
| 11:57.37 | nevcairiel | bah. |
| 11:58.14 | nevcairiel | Wonder if i can write a smart scanner to properly work the sequence resets |
| 11:58.17 | nevcairiel | but probably not |
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| 12:00.10 | nevcairiel | Maybe i should rather write a button that can hold items/spells/real-macros and not be based on custom snippets..hmm |
| 12:01.15 | foxlit | You would probably still get people who want to use non-/macro macros. |
| 12:01.29 | nevcairiel | screw them |
| 12:01.32 | nevcairiel | imho. |
| 12:01.34 | foxlit | You could always tell them to get stuffed :) |
| 12:01.45 | nevcairiel | Whats the macro limit these days? |
| 12:01.48 | nevcairiel | Alot? |
| 12:01.49 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 12:01.51 | foxlit | 1023 on attribute |
| 12:01.59 | foxlit | oh |
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| 12:02.08 | foxlit | 32 account-wide, 16 per-character, iirc. |
| 12:02.38 | nevcairiel | those are 512 chars or? thats usually long enough for any macro, unless you want to stuff some smart chat logic in there with Lua code |
| 12:02.45 | foxlit | 255 |
| 12:03.00 | foxlit | If you're allowing stuff like CTRL+X bindings, the macro API will not give you the correct actions for some macros |
| 12:03.29 | foxlit | (Things like /cast [mod:ctrl] Foo; Bar on a button with a CTRL+X binding would never cast Foo) |
| 12:03.37 | nevcairiel | Yeah i know |
| 12:03.41 | nevcairiel | but thats already happening now |
| 12:04.01 | nevcairiel | when i place the macro in a default action button |
| 12:04.04 | nevcairiel | with a ctrl binding |
| 12:04.05 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 12:04.27 | foxlit | Yeah, probably. The API provides no way to tell. |
| 12:04.28 | nevcairiel | so no loss for me |
| 12:04.50 | foxlit | I end up working around that by re-parsing all macros |
| 12:06.10 | nevcairiel | Oh well i'll just go with a button that can hold items/spells for now, maybe i'll add custom macros at some other point |
| 12:07.52 | nevcairiel | Now 3.1 just needs to fix pets/mounts on the cursor, and i'm set |
| 12:08.21 | foxlit | Trying to enable configuration from within the secure environment? |
| 12:09.47 | nevcairiel | It would be nice to drag'n'drop stuff on the buttons during combat |
| 12:10.11 | nevcairiel | not required, but still nice |
| 12:10.18 | foxlit | Mounts, however? :) |
| 12:10.39 | nevcairiel | I don't want to have special code just to deal with them :) |
| 12:10.56 | foxlit | Well, yeah. I suppose they could fix the bug that's been around since the start of beta. |
| 12:11.15 | nevcairiel | We could prod Zootfizzle a bit, maybe he has some insight ;) |
| 12:12.02 | foxlit | There's a larger issue with the companion spells not being supported by most of the GetSpell* functions |
| 12:12.21 | nevcairiel | I bet they are related somehow |
| 12:12.37 | nevcairiel | The whole companion stuff seems to be half-done |
| 12:13.03 | foxlit | Rather, it's done well enough to allow the default UI to handle it |
| 12:13.17 | nevcairiel | true |
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| 12:17.45 | Adys | http://content.yieldmanager.edgesuite.net/atoms/c2/13/6e/ce/c2136ece8dc5602999146fbf9650b525.swf Can someone tell me if they get that in greek? |
| 12:18.51 | nevcairiel | i don't get anything |
| 12:18.56 | Adys | O_o |
| 12:19.20 | nevcairiel | it get the flash-blocked button from noflash, but when i click to play the flash, nothing happens =P |
| 12:19.32 | Adys | its an ad |
| 12:19.36 | Adys | static ad |
| 12:19.55 | Adys | (way to go make static ads in flash) |
| 12:20.03 | nevcairiel | ah now i see it |
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| 12:20.23 | nevcairiel | seems to be greek or something, yea |
| 12:20.40 | WobWork | wow http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/SaBBW3yvTVI/AAAAAAAAFNo/2XUdfLGSDy0/s1600-h/White+lion.jpg |
| 12:20.56 | Adys | cute |
| 12:21.02 | Adys | nevcairiel: aight |
| 12:21.10 | mikma | wobwork: it has photoshop on it!!11 |
| 12:21.31 | WobWork | apparently not |
| 12:22.19 | mikma | screenshot or it didn't happen |
| 12:23.45 | Adys | ffs |
| 12:23.58 | Adys | slashdot commenters piss me off |
| 12:23.59 | Adys | really bad |
| 12:24.30 | Adys | particularly wannabe astronauts who got their first $300 telescope and want to give nasa lessons how to do their shit right |
| 12:25.05 | Adys | typical internet asshole comportment on a scale worth a million galaxies. |
| 12:27.18 | mikma | i bet even kitties pisses you off |
| 12:27.35 | Adys | your mom's kitties piss me off |
| 12:27.41 | mikma | there we go |
| 12:28.13 | Adys | Aqua - Coming Back From Mars |
| 12:28.26 | Adys | out of extreme randomness this is quite awesome |
| 12:28.51 | mikma | Hah, Aqua. haven't heard it in a long long time |
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| 12:59.10 | jnwhiteh | http://fukung.net/v/13526/14f22a040c62008817c68a9b3240d78b.gif |
| 13:00.46 | mikma | umm |
| 13:00.50 | mikma | i don't get how is that possible |
| 13:01.04 | mikma | the grandpa failed quite alot |
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| 13:01.43 | Dowolf | anyone on |
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| 13:03.28 | mikma | yes :) |
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| 13:16.13 | Olorin` | anyone had problems with listboxes causing ui errors since 3.09? |
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| 13:56.08 | Lopeppeppy | Yeeeeps! |
| 13:56.11 | alestane | Kitchy koo! |
| 13:56.18 | Lopeppeppy | No breaking ribs so early on a Monday, oh my god. |
| 13:57.17 | alestane | Well. I guess it is Monday. |
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| 14:01.49 | Lopeppeppy | Sadly so, and my ribs already feel broked, so let's have cocoa instead! |
| 14:02.02 | |Jelly| | awwww |
| 14:02.27 | Lopeppeppy | I know, I'm such a wimp! Wait until the vitamins kick in, I'll feel better. |
| 14:03.37 | mikma | lopeppeppy: really breaking ribs or just injuring them? |
| 14:03.51 | mikma | also, i'm getting this hate against everyone: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=9341#comments |
| 14:04.48 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, a little slip on some black ice last night, nothing evil, just some twisty ouch. |
| 14:05.09 | mikma | ouch :I |
| 14:05.24 | mikma | that's what you get when you grow older, really |
| 14:05.40 | mikma | when you were kid you were able to correct yourself so you wouldn't fall down |
| 14:05.57 | zenzio | that's your memory fooling yourself |
| 14:06.05 | zenzio | half the time you still fell back then |
| 14:06.06 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't fall down. If I had, I probably wouldn't have gotten all twisty. |
| 14:13.05 | Adys | http://www.xkcdb.com/?1497 |
| 14:13.08 | Adys | I need to write that down |
| 14:13.15 | Adys | in case I ever date a math major |
| 14:14.13 | mikma | wut lol? QuestHelper 20MB+ ? |
| 14:14.51 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, adys, that pick up line should NOT work, ever... |
| 14:15.00 | Adys | there is hope |
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| 14:39.47 | mikma | coolest icon in wow - "Interface\Icons\INV_Misc_Bone_HumanSkull_02" |
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| 14:44.14 | cncfanatics | anyone know an actionbar addon where u can make more then 10 groups? |
| 14:44.18 | cncfanatics | 10 ain't nearly enough for me |
| 14:44.39 | nevcairiel | i belive dominos can do wtf you want |
| 14:45.19 | cncfanatics | only 10 actionabars too |
| 14:45.20 | cncfanatics | just checked |
| 14:45.26 | nevcairiel | in the UI |
| 14:45.34 | nevcairiel | but there is a slash interface for advanced settings |
| 14:45.36 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 14:46.36 | cncfanatics | is it documented anywhere ? |
| 14:46.44 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 14:48.08 | nevcairiel | http://code.google.com/p/tullamods/wiki/DominosAdvanced |
| 14:48.14 | nevcairiel | scroll dow |
| 14:48.15 | nevcairiel | n |
| 14:49.53 | cncfanatics | cheers :) |
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| 15:10.23 | Olorin` | anyone know if its possible to see the lfg for dungeons not in level range if you dont use standard ui or is it restricted at server side? |
| 15:10.38 | nevcairiel | restricted on the server |
| 15:10.55 | Olorin` | thanks Nev |
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| 15:55.34 | Lopeppeppy | Look what someone found for me! http://www.snorgtees.com/rawrmeansiloveyou-p-622.html?osCsid=c8b4db3a932ea99014abb63bd81f6977 |
| 15:55.58 | alestane | That's too awesome. |
| 15:56.04 | Lopeppeppy | I'm in love. |
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| 15:57.31 | zenzelezz | peppy: http://mingle2.com/blog/view/dating-tyrannosaurus |
| 15:58.34 | Lopeppeppy | Awwwww. I love the dinner suggestions. |
| 15:58.59 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: I always like this one: http://www.snorgtees.com/withashirtlikethis-p-411.html ...of course it was better in the ad where the girl was pulling it down over her lack of pants. |
| 15:59.28 | Lopeppeppy | Red is not my color. |
| 15:59.31 | Lopeppeppy | Blood is mostly brownish. |
| 16:00.21 | alestane | Yes, a much better demonstration of that shirt: http://www.snorgtees.com/withashirtlikethis-p-412.html |
| 16:00.48 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that would get you guys intersted. |
| 16:01.08 | zenzelezz | we'd be even more interested if she also didn't have the shirt |
| 16:01.34 | Lopeppeppy | *rolls eyes fondly* |
| 16:01.49 | alestane | zenzelezz: you need to learn to appreciate allusion. |
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| 16:02.21 | zenzelezz | alestane: too boring |
| 16:04.56 | alestane | Like a clingy dress that makes it clear there are no panty lines. The implication and anticipation make the discovery that much more fun...and they're fun themselves if you never get to the discovery. |
| 16:06.21 | zenzelezz | if you're a 25-year-old virgin who's never kissed a someone, allusion just doesn't cut it |
| 16:06.30 | alestane | ...okay, point. |
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| 16:14.46 | AckisWork | lua> for i=1,15,1 do print("Cogwheel") end |
| 16:14.47 | lua_bot | AckisWork: Cogwheel, Cogwheel, Cogwheel, Cogwheel, Cogwheel, Cogwheel, Cogwheel, Cogwheel, Cogwheel, Cogwheel, Cogwheel, Cogwheel, Cogwheel, Cogwheel, Cogwheel |
| 16:14.50 | AckisWork | :D |
| 16:15.00 | Lopeppeppy | Poor guy just got pinged to death. |
| 16:15.03 | AckisWork | I know |
| 16:15.04 | AckisWork | hehehe |
| 16:15.47 | alestane | Why not just ("cogwheel"):rep(15) ? |
| 16:16.20 | AckisWork | I didn't know there was a rep :P |
| 16:16.26 | AckisWork | (I'm just being annoying today btw) |
| 16:17.03 | Stanzilla | as always |
| 16:17.05 | Stanzilla | :-* |
| 16:18.20 | AckisWork | heh |
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| 16:31.34 | Seerah | hehe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWf3iJjqYCM&feature=related |
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| 16:49.24 | Thrae | FiOS back. Woohoo. I still don't like how makeshift their power connectors are though. Just some copper fillaments touching bare metal, secured by a plastic hinge. |
| 16:49.44 | Lopeppeppy | Meep |
| 17:05.14 | durcyn | you have fios, you don't get to complain |
| 17:08.03 | Thrae | I can't argue with that. 20/5mbit mmmm. |
| 17:08.11 | Industrial | 60/6 :E |
| 17:08.30 | Industrial | I want 100/100 but they havent rolled it out yet in this part of the cit |
| 17:08.32 | Industrial | y |
| 17:08.33 | Thrae | Industrial: How much is that beast costing you? |
| 17:08.43 | Gnarfoz | and wheretf are you :p |
| 17:08.59 | Industrial | Amsterdam, The Netherlands and 45 euros I think |
| 17:09.06 | Thrae | Industrial: And is that Cable Internet? |
| 17:09.07 | nevcairiel | I should move |
| 17:09.18 | Industrial | yes cable internet (and tv and phone) |
| 17:09.18 | Thrae | Ohhh, the Netherlands doesn't count. |
| 17:09.29 | Thrae | And cable internet definitely doesn't count. |
| 17:09.41 | Industrial | why, it works fine :3 |
| 17:09.43 | Thrae | It's a shared line and usually oversold here in USA. |
| 17:09.47 | Gnarfoz | just because US cable sucks |
| 17:09.51 | nevcairiel | 100/100 is 100/100 |
| 17:09.59 | Gnarfoz | biased perspective :> |
| 17:10.18 | Gnarfoz | wtb FTTH whatever/whatever :D |
| 17:10.32 | Thrae | Dedicated lines > * |
| 17:10.36 | Gnarfoz | I should move to Wien, Köln or München, they have it :O |
| 17:10.47 | Gnarfoz | FTTH is a dedicated line ]:) |
| 17:10.54 | nevcairiel | You know, on some of the "smaller" vendors, DSL is a "shared line" here, you can get a contract for 16mbit, then be happy for two month, until they reduce your traffic because they oversold their backbones bandwidth :p |
| 17:11.14 | Gnarfoz | actually, that's because of crosstalk, mostly |
| 17:11.26 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Haha, true. I am getting a little congestion even at 20/5. |
| 17:11.26 | Industrial | http://www.speedtest.net/result/416783766.png |
| 17:11.49 | Gnarfoz | speed test websites are made of fail |
| 17:12.01 | Gnarfoz | ...literally |
| 17:12.15 | Industrial | I'm not really using it though, I mostly use bittorrent and unpopular torrents :P |
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| 17:12.21 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 17:12.24 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:12.29 | Gnarfoz | anyway, wtb faster interwebz |
| 17:12.37 | Thrae | But you know what's best about my FiOS? The repair guy came EARLY to fix my problem. He came EARLY. |
| 17:12.39 | Gnarfoz | should probably move out, that'd solve that ;> |
| 17:12.43 | Industrial | .. like obscure animes |
| 17:12.50 | Stanzilla | < DSL 2000 :( |
| 17:12.52 | Lopeppeppy | Thrae, you lie!! |
| 17:12.58 | nevcairiel | < 3000 :( |
| 17:13.08 | Gnarfoz | DSL6R :( |
| 17:13.18 | Gnarfoz | (which is: pay for 6M, get 3M, YAY T-Com :D) |
| 17:13.22 | Industrial | < b0r3d :( |
| 17:13.31 | Thrae | 1-5pm EST was the timeframe given, and he came at 11am EST |
| 17:13.45 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: same here, got some funky all-in-one that gets us 6mbit, but stupid town here only has 3 :( |
| 17:14.10 | Gnarfoz | well, t-com is really anal about line quality |
| 17:14.17 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 17:14.24 | nevcairiel | at least i always have my 3mbit |
| 17:14.34 | nevcairiel | not like freenet or 1&1, where you're happy to connect already =P |
| 17:14.37 | Gnarfoz | if it's even .1 db below their limit, they'll give you the next lower step :\ |
| 17:15.05 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I always shrug at friends & colleagues who get Alice, 1&1 or whatever |
| 17:15.19 | haste | Industrial: LIES! you don't ike any obscure animes! |
| 17:15.29 | nevcairiel | Alice can actually be nice, if you live in a zone where the net is owned by alice |
| 17:15.30 | Thrae | That's like when I was trying to first get DSL. "Sir, you have to be less then 8000 feet from the hub." "Uhh, so I have to be next door to it?" |
| 17:15.33 | nevcairiel | and you dont use tcom lines |
| 17:15.46 | Gnarfoz | hansenet lines, then? |
| 17:15.47 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 17:15.51 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 17:16.02 | Gnarfoz | anyway, people telling me "I'm not touching T-Com with a 10ft stick" have probably never had a t-com dsl line :D |
| 17:16.06 | nevcairiel | Too bad i live like 10km too far away from hamburg =( |
| 17:16.27 | Gnarfoz | well, I'm in Hannover, so meh |
| 17:16.42 | Gnarfoz | htp is really not a contender in the market |
| 17:17.01 | Gnarfoz | like local ISPs in other cities |
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| 17:17.06 | Fisker- | germans suck |
| 17:17.11 | Gnarfoz | oh yes, we do |
| 17:17.14 | Gnarfoz | some even swallow |
| 17:17.35 | Gnarfoz | back to topic: wtb NetCologne fiber :O |
| 17:17.42 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 17:18.08 | nevcairiel | is it weird these days to decide where to live on net availability? =P |
| 17:18.29 | Thrae | Industrial: http://www.matts-hosting.com/~generalmx/newcomp/hddbenchmarks.jpg <-- beat that |
| 17:18.32 | Fisker- | btw |
| 17:18.33 | Gnarfoz | I've repeatedly pondered making a decision based on THAT. |
| 17:18.38 | Fisker- | tom cruise is pretty good at heiling hitler |
| 17:18.55 | Gnarfoz | too bad you can't create chars named hitler, would make a good tank name. |
| 17:19.01 | Gnarfoz | "shit, everyone heal hitler" :O |
| 17:19.05 | Gnarfoz | even more fun in german. |
| 17:19.08 | Gnarfoz | ...not. :p |
| 17:19.10 | Fisker- | you didn't take noise into consideration Thrae! |
| 17:19.13 | Gnarfoz | old joke is old! |
| 17:19.39 | Fisker- | "LF Heiler Black Temple" |
| 17:19.44 | Fisker- | PTR = WIN |
| 17:19.57 | Gnarfoz | so what, heiler = healer :P |
| 17:20.01 | alestane | Fisker-: It is win, or it would be win if it were up? |
| 17:20.10 | Gnarfoz | it was win when ever he last was on PTR |
| 17:20.21 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: loll |
| 17:20.23 | Fisker- | alestane "LF Heiler Black Temple" was from PTR |
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| 17:20.29 | Fisker- | or perhaps it was sunwell plateau |
| 17:20.31 | Fisker- | but it was funny |
| 17:20.32 | Gnarfoz | because he hopefully wouldn't be on the deDE PTR this time around |
| 17:20.38 | nevcairiel | i would hope so |
| 17:20.46 | nevcairiel | or i'll go and gank him |
| 17:20.50 | Gnarfoz | join me. |
| 17:20.52 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 17:20.55 | Fisker- | can't gank me |
| 17:20.56 | Fisker- | i'm paladin |
| 17:21.04 | Gnarfoz | I'm too, dun dn dunn |
| 17:21.18 | Fisker- | you have no counter for Bubble/HS |
| 17:21.23 | Gnarfoz | it's like unstoppable force vs. immovable object |
| 17:21.28 | Fisker- | nah |
| 17:21.34 | Gnarfoz | well, fleeing just shows your cowardice, hurrrgh |
| 17:21.35 | Fisker- | immovable object vs. immovable object |
| 17:21.39 | Fisker- | a very boring fight |
| 17:21.44 | nevcairiel | if you bubbled and HS'ed, we won, since we stopped you from doing what you wanted to do :P |
| 17:21.48 | Fisker- | Tactics Gnarfoz |
| 17:22.04 | Fisker- | Your feeble mind can't understand them |
| 17:22.08 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: seriously, how can anyone *not* want 100/10 fiber flat for 35â¬/month? :D I'm sooo moving to Cologne, I'll even endure today's shit once a year. :P |
| 17:22.15 | Fisker- | i don't want to do anything nevcairiel |
| 17:22.25 | Fisker- | just check out some dual spec etc. |
| 17:22.32 | Fisker- | So you can't stop me |
| 17:22.51 | nevcairiel | right thats today eh |
| 17:23.04 | nevcairiel | better not turn on tv |
| 17:23.26 | Gnarfoz | I couldn't escape it today |
| 17:23.36 | Gnarfoz | because I'm doing Zivi in a KITA :O |
| 17:23.41 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 17:23.46 | Gnarfoz | 110 fucking kids :O |
| 17:23.50 | Gnarfoz | AHHrGH |
| 17:23.57 | Stanzilla | haha :D |
| 17:24.06 | nevcairiel | You know, Bund wasnt that bad |
| 17:24.20 | Gnarfoz | at least Fasching wouldn't have been an issue there. :P |
| 17:24.21 | nevcairiel | At least i could shoot stuff |
| 17:24.22 | alestane | Okay, that's kind of grotesque...my pet will eat the [Pound of Flesh] that drops off the ghouls in Duskwood. |
| 17:24.45 | nevcairiel | alestane: is it a bear? those eat anything :p |
| 17:24.55 | alestane | A crocolisk. |
| 17:25.00 | nevcairiel | well they too |
| 17:25.02 | alestane | I guess they count as meat. |
| 17:25.25 | Gnarfoz | carrion birds ftw |
| 17:25.30 | nevcairiel | isnt that a grey item, though? |
| 17:25.38 | nevcairiel | I thought they aren't used for anything |
| 17:25.40 | alestane | Yep. |
| 17:26.00 | alestane | I actually love having a pet as a convenient garbage disposal for all the things I don't want to cook. |
| 17:26.14 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:27.07 | alestane | Oh hey, a rare ghoul spawn in the Duskwood catacombs. |
| 17:27.54 | Movix | hi, where can i find information on what is taken in consideration to evaluate the memory amount an addon is consuming. |
| 17:29.56 | Lopeppeppy | I love Duskwood! |
| 17:30.36 | alestane | And he dropped a Spiked Collar that summons a felhunter for an hour. |
| 17:30.49 | nevcairiel | haha |
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| 17:32.07 | Thunder_Child | Movix: huh? |
| 17:32.15 | [L4E]Flowy | hello |
| 17:32.19 | [L4E]Flowy | i need info about item |
| 17:32.29 | Movix | is the size of the SV file an indication on the memory amount used by an addon ? |
| 17:32.32 | [L4E]Flowy | GetItemInfo return infos just about items in bag |
| 17:32.34 | Movix | for example |
| 17:32.42 | [L4E]Flowy | how to get info about another pls? |
| 17:33.04 | nevcairiel | GetItemInfo also works for items not in bags |
| 17:33.12 | [L4E]Flowy | no |
| 17:33.21 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 17:33.23 | [L4E]Flowy | i used it for item that i have from loot table |
| 17:33.33 | [L4E]Flowy | and it return "" |
| 17:33.40 | Thunder_Child | i doubt it Movix, but there was a fubar addon that tracked mem usage in realtime, maybe that might help? |
| 17:33.43 | nevcairiel | Well you have to have seen the item atleast once, thus in your local cache |
| 17:33.46 | [L4E]Flowy | i mean 9.th - invtype |
| 17:34.10 | [L4E]Flowy | yeah i have seen it in loot table |
| 17:34.17 | [L4E]Flowy | and same on item from atlas |
| 17:34.35 | [L4E]Flowy | i send item link into chat |
| 17:34.40 | [L4E]Flowy | and get name from there |
| 17:35.16 | [L4E]Flowy | and it still return "" for 9th |
| 17:35.17 | foxlit | Movix: no. |
| 17:35.27 | Movix | i use this to scan the memory amount, but i do not under stand why my addon is consuming so much. does the widgets and textures i use in my addon increase the memory used by my addon or are they global ? |
| 17:35.29 | foxlit | I can generate obscene amounts of garbage at run time and not have it saved. |
| 17:35.36 | alestane | Movix: It's an indicator, but a very bad one. |
| 17:35.51 | nevcairiel | the 9th return is equip-slot, and it works fine for all items i just tried |
| 17:36.09 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm |
| 17:36.25 | [L4E]Flowy | then what is bad? |
| 17:36.26 | foxlit | Movix: yes. Including all of your internal variables. |
| 17:36.45 | [L4E]Flowy | if i post link to item that i have in bag |
| 17:36.50 | [L4E]Flowy | it work |
| 17:36.58 | [L4E]Flowy | but if item is not in my bag |
| 17:37.03 | nevcairiel | I linked some random item from wowhead and did GetItemInfo on it |
| 17:37.04 | [L4E]Flowy | it return just "" |
| 17:37.05 | nevcairiel | and it worked |
| 17:37.21 | Movix | i'm working for serveral days now on trying to reduce the shown memory amount by doing table recycling, widget recycling but no way to reduce significaly |
| 17:37.28 | nevcairiel | Are you sure your item is equipable? :) |
| 17:37.36 | [L4E]Flowy | yes |
| 17:37.40 | [L4E]Flowy | the bringer of death - staff |
| 17:37.42 | foxlit | Movix: so what is the terrible number? :) |
| 17:38.11 | [L4E]Flowy | i try to loot it |
| 17:38.13 | nevcairiel | "INVTYPE_2HWEAPON" |
| 17:38.38 | nevcairiel | and i definately do not have it in my bags |
| 17:38.59 | foxlit | Movix: i.e. what IS the shown amount of memory use; and what does your addon do? |
| 17:39.15 | [L4E]Flowy | i get it |
| 17:39.17 | [L4E]Flowy | to bag |
| 17:39.19 | [L4E]Flowy | and it work |
| 17:39.35 | foxlit | Pastey the code that doesn't produce the expected results |
| 17:41.00 | Movix | My addon tryie to get a global player list out of different sources, Guild, Friends, Chat channels, for players that have not much information i proceed with GetWho (trigerred by a timer every 12 seconds). So all this data fills a global player table i display in my addon. i Track changes over different Events like GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE, FRIENDS_UPDATE and refresh the data upon them and refresh my display. All this leads with about 400 players to a memory u |
| 17:41.03 | Thrae | Fisker-: External speed settings, but it's pretty damn quiet even at the highest speed. Quieter then my old machine. |
| 17:41.19 | nevcairiel | I just did /dump GetItemInfo(" link-here-by-shift-click ") |
| 17:41.22 | nevcairiel | and it worked fine |
| 17:41.30 | foxlit | Movix: cutoff at "a memory u" |
| 17:41.31 | durcyn | Movix: uh, if you're storing a large amount of data, it's going to take more memory. as long as you're not leaking, what the frell is the problem? |
| 17:41.50 | [L4E]Flowy | MLoot_SlotRename(select(9,GetItemInfo(string.match(arg1,"%[(.*)%]")))); |
| 17:41.50 | Thunder_Child | frell...*snicker* |
| 17:41.58 | foxlit | yeah, well, yeah |
| 17:42.01 | [L4E]Flowy | arg1 containt item link |
| 17:42.05 | foxlit | Obviously you two are talking about different things |
| 17:42.11 | foxlit | And you're both right. |
| 17:42.12 | Movix | no there is no freeze or lag, just this huge amoubnt of memory |
| 17:42.40 | foxlit | [L4E]Flowy: you're passing an item name to GetItemInfo |
| 17:42.58 | nevcairiel | [L4E]Flowy: pass the full link, without extracting only the name, and it'll be better :) |
| 17:43.01 | foxlit | GetItemInfo only returns information about an item name if you have that item in your inventory |
| 17:43.18 | durcyn | Thunder_Child: shh, farscape was good :( |
| 17:43.21 | foxlit | You're better off giving it an item id, or at least the "(item:%d+)" results |
| 17:43.32 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm |
| 17:43.34 | Thunder_Child | durcyn, yes it WAS |
| 17:43.35 | [L4E]Flowy | ok |
| 17:43.45 | [L4E]Flowy | how to do string.match then pls? |
| 17:44.18 | nevcairiel | whats the full contents of arg1? |
| 17:44.20 | nevcairiel | only the item link? |
| 17:44.28 | [L4E]Flowy | yes |
| 17:44.30 | [L4E]Flowy | full link |
| 17:44.40 | nevcairiel | then just pass the full link :) |
| 17:44.43 | [L4E]Flowy | /rw roll itemlink |
| 17:44.45 | nevcairiel | no need to string match |
| 17:45.12 | nevcairiel | just do GetItemInfo(arg1) |
| 17:45.21 | [L4E]Flowy | but there is "roll" too |
| 17:46.11 | [L4E]Flowy | arg1 = "roll "..itemlink |
| 17:46.13 | nevcairiel | or do what foxlit said, match for "(item:%d+)" to get the item id |
| 17:46.45 | [L4E]Flowy | ok i try |
| 17:46.46 | nevcairiel | or string.match(arg1, "roll (.+)") |
| 17:47.09 | Thrae | Is there an Inspector Gadget reference in WoW? If not, there should be. Especially since Inspector Gadget is French! Haha. |
| 17:47.09 | nevcairiel | lua> ("roll [Super Item of Doom]"):match("roll (.+)") |
| 17:47.09 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: [Super Item of Doom] |
| 17:47.23 | [L4E]Flowy | but |
| 17:47.30 | [L4E]Flowy | when i post item link into chat |
| 17:47.36 | [L4E]Flowy | it add space before link |
| 17:47.46 | [L4E]Flowy | then sometime there is one space |
| 17:47.50 | [L4E]Flowy | and sometime two |
| 17:47.53 | nevcairiel | spaces don't matter to the function |
| 17:48.03 | [L4E]Flowy | ok |
| 17:48.15 | Thrae | [L4E]Flowy: .+ grabs everything, including spaces |
| 17:49.33 | [L4E]Flowy | but in GetItemInfo cant be space or? |
| 17:49.39 | Movix | does multiple references to a same table grows the memory amount ? i hope not |
| 17:50.49 | Thrae | Movix: Technically yes, but only by the cost of the pointer. Bad memory usage addons may go into an infinite loop / stack dump. |
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| 17:51.39 | Lunessa | station. |
| 17:52.02 | Thrae | Train. |
| 17:52.14 | zenzelezz | Profit. |
| 17:52.32 | alestane | Lunessa: I remembered another fairly new luminary in scifi-fantasy authorship. |
| 17:52.34 | Thrae | Underwear Gnomes |
| 17:52.44 | devZero | hahaha |
| 17:52.51 | devZero | Step 1) Steal UNderpants |
| 17:52.52 | Thrae | Word association is fun! |
| 17:52.56 | devZero | step 3) Profit |
| 17:53.01 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 17:53.04 | alestane | Sarah Ash pretty much knocked my socks off with the Tears of Artamon series. |
| 17:53.05 | Lunessa | enlighten me please alestane, I need more to read. |
| 17:53.19 | alestane | And she's starting another related trilogy. |
| 17:53.25 | Thunder_Child | more drama? |
| 17:54.15 | Movix | hmmm, so it is not advised to have myaddon.players={ pl1={..}, ..., pln={}} and later define a frame displaying the data of a player where the frame contains frame.player=pl1 out of the table myaddon.players ? |
| 17:54.19 | Lunessa | I'll check it out. |
| 17:54.24 | [L4E]Flowy | hehe thx |
| 17:54.29 | [L4E]Flowy | it work now :) |
| 17:54.48 | Movix | i know there are other way to handle it but just to know |
| 17:55.44 | alestane | Movix: From a strictly Lua perspective, it's fine. |
| 17:56.13 | alestane | Its impact on performance is minimal. But things that try to parse or analyze it have to be better-written. |
| 17:57.16 | [L4E]Flowy | alestane how? :) |
| 17:58.16 | alestane | As Thrae points out, profiling addons may have troubling recognizing that it's the same table both times. They can give bad estimates or, in the case of tables that reference each other, recursion loops. |
| 18:00.28 | Movix | that's the point, in order to know on a player update if i have to refresh a frame content, my player struct contains a field frame pointing on the frame displaying the player data. The frame itself has a pointer to the player struct so there is in deed a loop ! |
| 18:01.04 | [L4E]Flowy | is there command that return nth var in table? |
| 18:01.12 | jnwhiteh | [L4E]Flowy: tbl[n]? |
| 18:02.04 | alestane | Call next nine times, if you mean non-numeric keys? |
| 18:02.22 | [L4E]Flowy | and what abou tab = { name = info, name = info, name = info, ..., full = n } ? |
| 18:02.45 | alestane | Then sequence isn't really meaningful. |
| 18:03.01 | jnwhiteh | there isn't a "ninth" key in that case =) |
| 18:03.25 | [L4E]Flowy | you can get info just from name and dont need to call full table |
| 18:04.41 | alestane | ...what? |
| 18:05.43 | [L4E]Flowy | INeedSomeInfo = tab[UnitName("target")] |
| 18:06.06 | Movix | sorry to continue on that topic, but ... |
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| 18:06.41 | [L4E]Flowy | i need full list - for 2,n-1 do ... end |
| 18:07.03 | alestane | for name, info in pairs(tab) do ... end |
| 18:07.45 | [L4E]Flowy | how could be you making this table? |
| 18:07.56 | [L4E]Flowy | sorry for Eng :) |
| 18:09.01 | Movix | if i have a table A and two vars pointing on that table, var x = A, and var y = A, if there is a chance that profiling functions will not detect that it is the same table and increment the memory amount twice, then if later i do y = nil, i assume the memory amount will be decreased at next GC, right ? |
| 18:09.57 | Movix | sorry i know that my bad english is hard to read for you ;( |
| 18:10.17 | [L4E]Flowy | why dont use just x? |
| 18:11.26 | alestane | Movix: Depending on the profiler's code, that is possible. It's also possible to recognize, but that depends on the author being aware of the problem.' |
| 18:12.08 | Movix | i use performaceFu, debugFu |
| 18:12.31 | alestane | No idea. |
| 18:14.18 | Movix | even if my addon causes no performance issues, i do not like to be on top of list with memory usage, because the memory amount i calculated by myself is a lot lesserthan the one shown by perfomanceFU ;) |
| 18:15.00 | Movix | do you have suggestion for another profilling addon ? |
| 18:15.45 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/80795722 |
| 18:15.47 | alestane | I've always tried to keep my addons minimal, so it's never been a primary concern for me. |
| 18:17.02 | Fisker- | don't you got some without john? |
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| 18:23.47 | nevcairiel | what was the cvar that controls server-side stored macros/keybindings? |
| 18:26.41 | alestane | There are three now. |
| 18:27.12 | nevcairiel | yeah i found them |
| 18:28.14 | Fisker- | remember, no ptr = nevcairiel dies |
| 18:33.35 | Kaso | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/lntkaos/1118027156.png Google Street-view June 2008 |
| 18:33.35 | Kaso | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/lntkaos/newstreetview-small.png Google Street-view today |
| 18:34.22 | nevcairiel | someone was busy |
| 18:35.12 | Fisker- | SO BUSY THEY KILLED INNOCENT ANIMALS |
| 18:35.18 | foxlit | Release the drones! |
| 18:35.46 | Fisker- | and how did the northeast part get extra landmass? |
| 18:36.22 | foxlit | global warming, oceans drying up, that sort of thing |
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| 18:47.54 | cncfanatics | anyone know a good raid calendar that can be setup on webspace ? |
| 18:47.57 | cncfanatics | I hate ingame solutions |
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| 18:54.45 | Dagmar | cncfanatics: You might try Google Calendar actually |
| 18:55.04 | foxlit | what's hatable about the in-game calendar? :) |
| 18:56.33 | Movix | ^^ |
| 18:59.02 | Lunessa | which can also be accessed via armory. |
| 18:59.33 | Movix | i <3 GEM ! |
| 18:59.48 | alestane | Lunessa: Can you sign on to events/accept invitations via the Armory? |
| 19:00.11 | Lunessa | alestane: I don't know. I never actually tried. |
| 19:00.15 | Dagmar | guildportal's site has a free calendar, but they just have zero design skills |
| 19:00.20 | Dagmar | It's ugly |
| 19:00.29 | Movix | GEM will allow this soon ! |
| 19:00.43 | Dagmar | ...and "GEM" is? |
| 19:00.50 | Movix | GuildEventManager |
| 19:01.12 | Movix | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/guild-event-manager.aspx |
| 19:02.03 | Movix | * preaching for his churh* héhé |
| 19:02.26 | Dagmar | How are you managing the sanity of that data? |
| 19:02.29 | Mirra | what is this channel about? :D |
| 19:02.40 | Dagmar | I get the feeling it's not using the in-game calendar to keep sub info |
| 19:03.11 | Movix | no it's a stand alone solution |
| 19:04.05 | Dagmar | Movix: Okay, so where is it storing the data |
| 19:04.42 | Movix | it's dispatching the data over all members of the channel, it's a controlled redundancy solution |
| 19:04.55 | Dagmar | OKay. I was wondering... |
| 19:05.38 | Pytlask | You know, you *can* accept/decline invitations via the Armory |
| 19:05.45 | Dagmar | I suppose the odds of someone taking their own guild leader offline with it are low |
| 19:06.10 | Movix | i do not understand that sorry |
| 19:07.12 | Dagmar | Movix: Aside from the issue that remote clients can't be fully trusted? |
| 19:08.11 | Movix | the protocol is build by kiki and is secure, there are no posibilities to hack data manually in the SV to corrupt events |
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| 19:08.51 | Dagmar | Umm.. sure |
| 19:08.53 | Movix | the event leader (creator) ermains the only person able to alter the event |
| 19:08.58 | Zergreth | hey, i've ran into a problem. obviously, the default minimap clock of the blizzard ui seems to load after all the other addons. though i want to modify that thing a bit. is there any way i can do that without a timer? |
| 19:09.47 | Movix | hook the OnShow event ? |
| 19:09.47 | Lunessa | Sorry, but a distributed or peer-to-peer sharing system for calendar data just isn't the sort of solution I feel like using now that there's a central, server-based solution available. |
| 19:10.18 | Zergreth | movix, is that even possible if the frame was not created yet? i guess not? |
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| 19:10.42 | [1]Phoenix | Morning All |
| 19:10.47 | Movix | in deed Zergreth |
| 19:10.55 | Zergreth | evening phoenix |
| 19:11.08 | Zergreth | movix, hm. i though that wouldnt be possible. im going to try that, thanks |
| 19:12.40 | Movix | Lunessa: Yes that's true, but since there are so many functionnality missing in the IG calendar some people still accept the distributed solution |
| 19:12.50 | Zergreth | just, uhh, how exactly would i do that? |
| 19:13.09 | Feenyks | I'm taking a stab at developing an Add-On as a a diversion from my day-to-day development,... and I hit what should be a simple thing but can find a way to get the Realm's date, I find GetGameTime of the Realm's tim but can't find one for the Date, can anyone assist please? |
| 19:13.15 | Dagmar | <3 SexyMap |
| 19:13.29 | Lunessa | *nod* data sharing like that is too error-prone for my simple needs. The in-game calendar suffices and more. |
| 19:13.57 | Dagmar | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_date |
| 19:14.58 | Feenyks | Thx Dag, Found that already it returns the client's date not the Realm's |
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| 19:15.58 | Zergreth | movix, i cant seem to find any way i could make that work. could you please explain? |
| 19:16.24 | Movix | Zergreth: using frame:GetScript("OnShow') to save the actual script executed, and after that use SetScript("OnShow", YourFunction) to define your own one. but don't forget to run the original script. but remember i'am far from beeing an expert, i'am still a beginner on addon dev. there are also hooking libraries |
| 19:17.10 | Zergreth | see, thats what i was talking about, and i was also correct. SetScript() and GetScript() cant be used on just nothing. and i have to do something like this BEFORE the frame is created.. |
| 19:17.28 | Movix | that's true |
| 19:18.02 | Zergreth | D; |
| 19:18.03 | Zergreth | damn |
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| 19:55.45 | Tem | Why do I keep seeing huntards still wearing the level 60 pvp gear? |
| 19:55.50 | Tem | (at level 70 and above) |
| 19:58.54 | Lunessa | Tem: Huntards - need you ask more? |
| 19:59.09 | Dagmar | There's idiots like that playing every class. |
| 19:59.21 | Dagmar | Until they put XP loss penalties back in, that's just the way it's going to be |
| 20:00.10 | Dagmar | It's not just hunters that are stupid, although I'll admit there's a lot of dumb-as-rocks-hunters |
| 20:00.16 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I'd quit if they added XP Loss. |
| 20:00.22 | Lunessa | No joke. |
| 20:00.38 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I've played games with XP loss. I have an idea what it takes to delevel. |
| 20:01.00 | Dagmar | The only time I deleveled as a wizard in EQ was when I was trying to play two days after major knee surgery |
| 20:01.07 | Lunessa | Dagmar: So have I. And XP Debt and other such systems. Note that I'm not playing those games anyomre. |
| 20:01.25 | Dagmar | Heavy sedatives and games which require you to react or get squished don't mix well |
| 20:01.26 | Lunessa | And EQ sucks. Even if I did play it for 5 years. |
| 20:01.46 | Dagmar | It's the only way to keep the mental defectives out of the endgame spaces |
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| 20:02.18 | Dagmar | Well, that and permadeath |
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| 20:04.02 | foxlit | "t's the only way to keep the mental defectives out of the endgame spaces" << [citation needed] |
| 20:04.24 | Dagmar | Citation: Dagmar d'Surreal, veteran MMO player |
| 20:04.35 | foxlit | Delete per lack of notability |
| 20:04.47 | foxlit | Also, see original research policy. |
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| 20:06.04 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr! *giggle* |
| 20:07.20 | Lunessa | foxlit: /APPROVE |
| 20:07.22 | Dagmar | I don't think it wise to mention the notable achievements. |
| 20:07.30 | Dagmar | I did some bad things in EQ |
| 20:08.01 | Dagmar | ...but hey, if they'd left my class playable, I wouldn't have gotten that bored. |
| 20:09.58 | mikma | i HATE wintergrasp shit |
| 20:10.01 | mikma | i really, really do |
| 20:10.05 | Dagmar | Why? |
| 20:10.15 | mikma | the battle is ok but everything else sucks tekkub's hairless balls |
| 20:10.29 | Tekkub | :P |
| 20:10.42 | Dagmar | I mean, the David Lynch mode it goes into at the end is annoying, but what's not to like about being allowed to shoot personell with weaponry designed to destroy siege equipment |
| 20:10.48 | mikma | because there should be some sort of way of getting the "time till next combat" without scanning a) gossip, b) GetWorldStateUIInfo |
| 20:11.01 | AckisWork | any D&D mini nerds here? |
| 20:11.07 | mikma | i thought Wintergrasp Timer Light was cool and works, until i entered SotA game |
| 20:11.12 | Dagmar | Oh yeah... I've got FuBar_WintergraspFu on all my toons for that reason |
| 20:11.13 | mikma | ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR |
| 20:11.13 | alestane | AckisWork: Not lately. |
| 20:11.21 | Tekkub | they need to make it just "battle at the top of the hour on even hours" |
| 20:11.23 | AckisWork | alestane: do you know what the large red dragon is? |
| 20:11.40 | alestane | In what sense? What set? What faction? |
| 20:12.00 | Dagmar | Pfft. *which* large red dragon |
| 20:12.11 | Dagmar | Some of us actually had the 1.0 book. |
| 20:12.21 | AckisWork | "DRAGONEYE LARGE RED DRAGON" |
| 20:12.35 | AckisWork | it's a mini... I'm not sure if it's a large size or a mini-sized mini though |
| 20:12.37 | Dagmar | All I remember about it is that it was mainly blue and had a red dragon visible from the neck up on the cover |
| 20:13.35 | alestane | The red dragon released in Dragoneye would have been size Large, with a base that took up four squares on the map, a 1" base I think. |
| 20:14.05 | AckisWork | alestane: ahh so it's not like the gargantuan blue/white/black dargons |
| 20:14.09 | Dagmar | Oh wait, you play with dolls |
| 20:14.14 | Dagmar | nevermind me then |
| 20:14.39 | alestane | There was a huge red dragon released in Giants of Legend IIRC, as a rare Huge fig. |
| 20:14.57 | alestane | Then there were some dragons sold stand-alone because they were so large. |
| 20:15.11 | alestane | But it's been a while since I actively followed D&D Minis at all. |
| 20:15.44 | AckisWork | yah it's the stand alone ones I'm curious about |
| 20:16.15 | alestane | The Dragoneye one was a random fig included in booster packs. |
| 20:16.24 | alestane | Have to go for a while. |
| 20:16.28 | AckisWork | aight ty |
| 20:19.25 | mikma | hmmrph |
| 20:19.52 | mikma | gladly the GetWorldStateUIInfo returns X:XX:XX instead of XX:XX like ie. SotA does |
| 20:20.09 | mikma | this in Wintergrasp ... |
| 20:21.50 | foxlit | meh |
| 20:22.09 | foxlit | There's an easier way to determine that you're not in SotA |
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| 20:30.20 | foxlit | " |
| 20:30.20 | foxlit | You may send your message to up to 1 people at a time. |
| 20:30.20 | foxlit | Separate multiple user names with ';'" |
| 20:30.25 | foxlit | ^^ So very helpful :) |
| 20:33.47 | haste | yep |
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| 20:40.31 | Lunessa | foxlit: who wrote that? |
| 20:40.49 | foxlit | wowi pm reply form |
| 20:42.20 | Lunessa | Ah. The lovely PHPBB people. |
| 20:42.57 | foxlit | vB, i thought, |
| 20:42.59 | mikma | foxlit: yeah there most likely is |
| 20:43.11 | mikma | not sure will i want to do that or do other check instead |
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| 20:47.54 | Tekkub | http://www.threadless.com/product/1693/minizoom.jpg |
| 20:50.03 | Hjalte | Tekkub: Please add Crazy Alchemist's Potion to Buffet :) |
| 20:50.18 | Tekkub | you crazy |
| 20:51.20 | Dagmar | Thankfully, I only drink Kungaloosh and I only eat things which I haven't made into Kungaloosh yet |
| 20:51.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: actually, speaking of Buffet, how do you manage that and food for your pet on a hunter? >.> |
| 20:51.30 | Tekkub | didn't it used to not have a consistent HP and MP on it? |
| 20:51.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: oh, also add Fel Blossoms, kk? :P |
| 20:51.56 | Tekkub | uh, I never need food for my hunter anymore, so it all goes to my pet? |
| 20:52.07 | Tekkub | plus, bear, underspore frond |
| 20:52.13 | Hjalte | Tekkub: They changed Crazy Alchemist's Potion in a recent patch, yeah. Now it's like a Health and Mana potion on one, like the old Alchemist potion. |
| 20:52.18 | NightHawkTheSane | you dont need food for you hunter anymore? |
| 20:53.04 | Tekkub | Fel Blossom would be in the HStone set if any... but that doesn't look to be too useful |
| 20:53.05 | Dagmar | who needs buffs anyway |
| 20:53.23 | Tekkub | oh it's herber only but not bound, that's why it's not in there |
| 20:53.34 | Tekkub | it could potentially block for a non-herber |
| 20:53.50 | Tekkub | Dagmar, lern2buffet :P |
| 20:53.54 | Tekkub | it doesn't do buff food |
| 20:54.18 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, I don't remember the last time I went down to eat on my huntard |
| 20:54.30 | Tekkub | if I did, I just ate the same thing I give my pet, or buff food |
| 20:54.46 | NightHawkTheSane | fair enough |
| 20:55.14 | Dagmar | eh wot? Since I got my Chef's title, it's the mega feast or I don't bother |
| 20:55.53 | Dagmar | I've still gotta go assassinate Pagel over 450 in fishing |
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| 20:57.16 | Lunessa | Buffet is love. LOVE I TELL YOU. |
| 20:57.54 | NightHawkTheSane | text fields that auto-move your cursor to the next one are the dumbest idea ever |
| 20:58.15 | Tekkub | but but, then you only have to click to start typing! |
| 20:58.28 | Tekkub | who needs to programattically focus? |
| 20:58.33 | Dagmar | They're a dumb idea when the fields are variable length |
| 21:00.03 | NightHawkTheSane | they're a dumb idea anytime you need to do anything then blindly mash the keyboard |
| 21:00.17 | NightHawkTheSane | and they completely obstruct keyboard navigation |
| 21:00.26 | Dagmar | That's why fixed length fields are when they're actually useful |
| 21:00.29 | Tekkub | pfft, mouse is for nav |
| 21:00.35 | Tekkub | keyboard is for typing |
| 21:01.02 | Tekkub | you know how many users can get around windows without a mouse? yea not many |
| 21:01.22 | Dagmar | Most people who do a lot of 10-key can |
| 21:01.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i can. |
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| 21:03.58 | Tekkub | yea and how many people can 10-key |
| 21:04.17 | Dagmar | Rather a lot of grown-ups can |
| 21:04.17 | Tekkub | I fucking hate using my mother's computer cause she turns off numlock |
| 21:04.29 | Tekkub | WTF? who the fuck uses the ten-key for pagedown? |
| 21:04.42 | Dagmar | People who've never operated a register or done data entry |
| 21:05.00 | Tekkub | I had done neither when I learned 10-key :P |
| 21:05.32 | Tekkub | numlock just need to be banned from keyboards that have dedicated nav keys |
| 21:05.45 | Dagmar | Let's get rid of capslock first |
| 21:05.55 | Tekkub | oh I already disabled that long ago |
| 21:06.05 | Tekkub | but yea, most useless key evar |
| 21:06.14 | Tekkub | I use break more than capslock |
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| 21:11.01 | kd3 | whee! |
| 21:11.04 | kd3 | the queue's going down |
| 21:11.08 | kd3 | copies are going through |
| 21:11.18 | Lunessa | Mouse = meh. I have carpal tunnel syndrome in both wrists. Less mouse plox. |
| 21:12.43 | nevcairiel | copies going through means the PTR server is setup |
| 21:13.24 | Dagmar | ...or that someone over at blizzard is just diddling the numbers and saying to his co-workers "Check out how riled up this gets them" |
| 21:13.28 | KarlKFI | capslock is useful when entering game cd-keys |
| 21:13.49 | KarlKFI | cause holding shift breaks your numbers |
| 21:14.55 | kd3 | 9 days... 8 days |
| 21:14.58 | kd3 | c'mon queue! |
| 21:15.32 | KarlKFI | O.O |
| 21:16.14 | Dagmar | Since when a cd-keys case-sensitive |
| 21:16.18 | Dagmar | s.a.are.l |
| 21:16.35 | durcyn | i've seen some mixed-case, but anything you'd need capslock for probably isn't |
| 21:17.39 | KarlKFI | yes, but no where does it TELL you it's not case sensitive |
| 21:18.05 | durcyn | well, everything being the same case is a hint ;) |
| 21:18.18 | Tekkub | agreed, I've not seen a CD key that was case-sens in a long time |
| 21:18.33 | KarlKFI | and who wants to enter the 36 char code a 2nd time if you're wrong |
| 21:18.47 | Tekkub | that's why you just edit the wrong part |
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| 21:19.05 | KarlKFI | most inputs wipe the whole thing if your wrong |
| 21:19.18 | KarlKFI | for cd-keys |
| 21:19.21 | Tekkub | I've not seen that in a long time either |
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| 21:20.03 | KarlKFI | play mroe old games! |
| 21:20.26 | Tekkub | old games == long time :P |
| 21:20.48 | Tekkub | modern devs have learned how to not be annoying with their keys! |
| 21:20.52 | KarlKFI | so... why doesn't shift-backspace act as a delete? |
| 21:21.04 | KarlKFI | would that save us a key? |
| 21:21.09 | Tekkub | because there's already a delete key that does that? |
| 21:21.10 | KarlKFI | wouldn't* |
| 21:21.43 | Tekkub | I'm just talking about getting rid of useless keys here, not condensing down functionality |
| 21:21.50 | Tekkub | if you want that, use a laptop! |
| 21:22.13 | KarlKFI | i cant remmeber the last time i wanted to use insert.. |
| 21:22.18 | KarlKFI | er\ |
| 21:22.22 | KarlKFI | not use insert |
| 21:22.28 | Tekkub | useless keys: capslock, numlock if nav keys are present... scroll lock is mostly useless too |
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| 21:22.41 | Tekkub | oh fuck insert, I disabled that too |
| 21:22.57 | kd3 | yay! [Fragment of the Nightmare's Corruption] |
| 21:23.08 | kd3 | hm. wonder if the ones in hinterlands can be solo-pulled |
| 21:23.08 | KarlKFI | windows button can die too |
| 21:23.22 | Tekkub | meta (win) is handy :P |
| 21:23.52 | KarlKFI | my current keyboard has a menu key, not sure who thought up that one.... it's lkike right clicking |
| 21:23.56 | Tekkub | meta-space and meta-r FTW! |
| 21:24.09 | Tekkub | I use that from time to time as well |
| 21:24.13 | KarlKFI | lkike awesome |
| 21:24.31 | Tekkub | never use the right alt or ctrl though |
| 21:24.41 | KarlKFI | me either |
| 21:24.55 | Tekkub | and I miss my sleep button from my old keyboard |
| 21:25.10 | KarlKFI | i lvoe the eject button at home |
| 21:25.24 | KarlKFI | and everyone loves the music control keys |
| 21:25.31 | Tekkub | I never use my dvd drive |
| 21:25.52 | KarlKFI | i installed fear 2 on sat... two dvds... |
| 21:26.01 | KarlKFI | i had to swap fucking dvds to instal... |
| 21:26.02 | Tekkub | I actually have ctrl-forward mapped to my random skip |
| 21:26.20 | KarlKFI | they should just start shipping games on external harddrives |
| 21:26.26 | Tekkub | last time I used my dvd was for wrath |
| 21:26.33 | KarlKFI | or thumb drives |
| 21:26.36 | kd3 | meh, I stopped bothering with media keys once I figured out how to get xmms2 to only listen to the remote when I hit a toggle button |
| 21:26.36 | Tekkub | and before that, to burn a vista install for trey |
| 21:26.52 | Tekkub | and before that... and xp install for trey.. and before that to install BC |
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| 21:28.45 | KarlKFI | i would get a http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/powermate.jpg or something if i didn't have volume controls on my keyboard |
| 21:29.12 | KarlKFI | tho these days i use my iphone to contol the music volume if i'm not at the keyboard... |
| 21:29.27 | Lopeppeppy | What the heck is that, KarlKFI? |
| 21:29.40 | KarlKFI | a usb volume nob |
| 21:29.50 | Lopeppeppy | Tekkub, I'm doing it the opposite order. Wipe Windows, reinstall, install Wrath. |
| 21:29.51 | Tekkub | I've wanted one of those knobs, but I want it to just be a simple inline volume damnit! |
| 21:29.53 | KarlKFI | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/5ca2/ |
| 21:30.00 | Tekkub | I hate adjusting the system volume |
| 21:30.22 | Tekkub | plus $50 for a knob is just wrong |
| 21:30.26 | Lopeppeppy | ..... |
| 21:30.33 | KarlKFI | true |
| 21:30.39 | KarlKFI | but you can use it for other things |
| 21:30.45 | Tekkub | I wouldn't |
| 21:30.47 | KarlKFI | like movie scrubbing |
| 21:31.07 | KarlKFI | or buffing |
| 21:31.17 | Tekkub | n52 |
| 21:31.41 | KarlKFI | Turn dial to cast raid buffs :) |
| 21:32.01 | Tekkub | mash button 13 on my n52 |
| 21:32.04 | KarlKFI | also works for scrolling long documents |
| 21:32.15 | Tekkub | mousewheel |
| 21:32.21 | KarlKFI | if oyu dont have one of those fancy new logitec super spinners |
| 21:32.27 | kd3 | my mx revo works great for scrolling long documents |
| 21:32.31 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
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| 21:32.34 | kd3 | put it in free spin mode and let er rip |
| 21:32.45 | Tekkub | see the problem with all those examples is you have to interrupt your normal flow to switch to a different device |
| 21:33.14 | KarlKFI | i'll let you know how the neural input device works out |
| 21:33.37 | KarlKFI | after lunch! |
| 21:33.44 | Tekkub | besides, crtl-end :P |
| 21:36.01 | Gnarfoz | <KarlKFI> Turn dial to cast raid buffs :) <-- I can see the "this one goes to eleven" jokes from a mile away |
| 21:37.07 | Kirov | My old Logitech MX 510 had scroll up / down buttons above and below the scroll wheel |
| 21:37.10 | Kirov | that was handy |
| 21:38.35 | Gnarfoz | I never used those |
| 21:38.36 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 21:38.49 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, the upper one I didn't use. I remapped the lower two. :P |
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| 21:44.15 | durcyn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15230877930&sid=1 < posts 6 and 10 are utterly amazing |
| 21:45.19 | Kirov | Gnarfoz - I remapped them for games, but they were useful for web browsing. |
| 21:46.44 | Lunessa | Is it so wrong of me to want a goddamned trackball with lots more buttons on it? |
| 21:47.00 | foxlit | Confess your sins, child. |
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| 21:47.06 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 21:47.36 | Lunessa | I want a tumb-driven trackball and like... 6-8 buttons. Programmable. Bitches. |
| 21:47.37 | Kirov | Lunessa - I've seen uber track balls with like 12 buttons, but they're the "finger" track ball type. |
| 21:47.53 | Lunessa | Kirov: Where plx? |
| 21:48.05 | Kirov | Don't think they're made any more. |
| 21:48.22 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.01 | cog|away | ... STATION |
| 21:49.02 | Kirov | Logitech used to have one, but they've been replaced with the "Design Controllers" that Connexion makes |
| 21:49.17 | Lunessa | station! |
| 21:49.21 | ronghail | used one $550: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000MYS9X4/ref=dp_olp_1 |
| 21:49.29 | Lunessa | I use the trackman from logitch now. |
| 21:49.31 | Kirov | http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/design_controller/devices/402 - think that with a track ball in the midle. |
| 21:49.32 | Thunder_Child | http://www.amazon.com/HP-Spaceball-5000-Trackball-button/dp/B00030EZ4O |
| 21:49.43 | Thunder_Child | 12 trackball |
| 21:50.13 | Thunder_Child | s/12/12 button/ |
| 21:51.05 | Kirov | Yeah, touch ball / 3d pucks / etc have taken over the many button track ball. |
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| 21:52.02 | Kirov | I remember the Orb controller that came out years ago that failed horribly as a game controller, but got bought by all the CAD people. |
| 21:52.25 | Lunessa | That looks interesting, but not quite what I'm looking for. |
| 21:52.27 | Kirov | They're basically six axis nub mouse |
| 21:53.07 | durcyn | Kirov: logitech cyberman? i've got one of those, it was amazing for Descent. |
| 21:53.20 | Kirov | Cool idea, fun if you're still playing Decent, somewhat overkill for most modern games. |
| 21:53.25 | Lunessa | Yeah. This - http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/trackballs/devices/189&cl=us,en is as close as they get. Which makes me QQ |
| 21:53.59 | Lunessa | Note how it is not thumb-driven. |
| 21:54.08 | Tekkub | god I miss Descent |
| 21:54.43 | Tekkub | fun to play, horrible motion sickness to watch someone else play |
| 21:54.51 | Kirov | durcyn - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceOrb_360 |
| 21:55.13 | Kirov | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/165/436859013_03ca513ee7.jpg?v=0 |
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| 21:55.33 | Kirov | They made an updated one that was sold for a very very short time that had more buttons and a dpad |
| 21:56.15 | Kirov | That's what created all of the other ones. |
| 21:56.58 | Kirov | Logitech bought them and used the tech to create things like the the cyberman and now the Connexion |
| 21:58.03 | Kirov | Lunessa - btw, looking for the last time many button track balls were sold, the last one I can find is from 1997 |
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| 22:00.34 | mikma | anyone here tested the Stinker + Bombey Cat -combo? :D |
| 22:00.36 | mikma | it's quite cool |
| 22:01.35 | Kirov | http://images.tigerdirect.com/itemDetails/M/M17/M17-1726/M17-1726-callout1.jpg - the last great multi-button track ball (finger, not thumb) |
| 22:01.42 | Lunessa | Kirov: I used to use the big marble one from Kensington, but that's now someone else, and the device pretty much a special order. I can't use a standard mouse - so I live with my two button + mousewheel trackman. :( |
| 22:02.08 | Kirov | http://members.arstechnica.com/x/archangelha/logitech-trackball.jpg - from the same era |
| 22:02.21 | Kirov | Lunessa - I use the same for work. I use a normal mouse for play. |
| 22:02.25 | Lunessa | Logitech still sells that one. |
| 22:02.47 | Kirov | I actually have two mice on my work computer since no one else can use a track ball. |
| 22:02.52 | Lunessa | Kirov: I can't The pain would cause me to quit playing, or be able to play for about 30 mins daily. |
| 22:02.55 | Kirov | Lunessa - yes, but not a thumb ball |
| 22:02.58 | nevcairiel | People really use trackballs? I could never even navigate on the desktop with those things |
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| 22:03.24 | Kirov | nevcairiel - I move around my work stuff faster with a track ball than I ever did with a mouse. |
| 22:03.26 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: I had to switch for medical reasons, and now I take one with me if I travel and have to use other people's computers. |
| 22:03.47 | Kirov | nevcairiel - don't underestimate the power of the spin and stop |
| 22:04.30 | Kirov | But my movements are either very fine, or very large. It's difficult to do medium movements with speed on a trackball. |
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| 22:04.45 | Kirov | I find most games are mostly medium movements. |
| 22:05.03 | Lunessa | I jack the sensitivity way up and move the cursor with tiny movements of my thumb. |
| 22:05.26 | nevcairiel | guess i'm just a mouse person |
| 22:05.34 | Kirov | Lunessa - for my work I need single pixel precision. |
| 22:06.03 | Lunessa | Photoediting? |
| 22:06.40 | Kirov | Something like that. |
| 22:07.09 | |Jelly| | pr0n industry; air brushing |
| 22:07.19 | Thunder_Child | he does translation...damit |Jelly|, you beat me to it |
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| 22:07.31 | Lunessa | Yeah. I don't need that kind of precision for hacking tech docs and scripting. and I <3 my trackball. |
| 22:07.35 | |Jelly| | ~hug Thunder_Child |
| 22:07.36 | purl | ACTION hugs Thunder_Child |
| 22:07.37 | Kirov | Lately it's been working on shader graphs that use more than my dual 1900x1200 screens can view at once so I'm scrolled out so far the connection nodes are 1 pixel |
| 22:07.44 | |Jelly| | I <3 mah G5. |
| 22:08.09 | |Jelly| | WTB less people crying about Quest Helper's memory usage. |
| 22:08.28 | Lunessa | WTB: End to QH QQ |
| 22:08.29 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/p/shaders1.jpg |
| 22:08.31 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/p/shaders2.jpg |
| 22:08.35 | |Jelly| | Seriously ... 3.25GB on my computer (Vistax32 :( ) and QH uses 17MB. OH NOES! THE WORLD IS CRASHING! |
| 22:08.37 | Kirov | What I tend to work on |
| 22:09.01 | Lunessa | Kirov: ... You do SFX and CGI? /envy |
| 22:09.11 | Kirov | Lunessa - video games |
| 22:09.20 | Lunessa | even more /envy |
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| 22:09.34 | kd3 | whee... queue's at 6 days. maybe it'll open up while I'm in front of my computer |
| 22:09.53 | Kirov | I have a number of friends who work at Blizzard. Humorously, none of them are anywhere near the tech department so they're of zero help to me with addon stuff. |
| 22:11.09 | nevcairiel | kd3: EU queue is at 29 days and is still accepting transfers <.< |
| 22:11.22 | kd3 | lol |
| 22:11.30 | Lunessa | Kirov: The closest I've ever come to working on computer games is a beta tester, and doing package installs of games for an Online Service. Oh, and the aborted attempt to get a game company off the ground with some developers in the 90s. |
| 22:12.42 | Fisker- | hey kd3 |
| 22:12.46 | Fisker- | wanna kill all humans? |
| 22:13.15 | kd3 | sure! I'm busy killing southsea folks right now in the barrens |
| 22:13.53 | Gnarfoz | I smell reputations coming into this at some point. |
| 22:14.18 | kd3 | 5 rep with ratchet for a half-second of work per mob * lots of mobs and I've triggered the nearly-instant respawn rate at this point |
| 22:14.52 | Fisker- | i hate ratchet |
| 22:15.06 | Fisker- | if you get attacked and use aoe you lose SEVENTY BILLION REP |
| 22:15.30 | malikeye | Kaelten: 2.1.20 fixed my 'stuck at "building addos"' problem |
| 22:15.39 | malikeye | not sure what you did, but thanks for gettin it fixed :D |
| 22:15.39 | Kaelten | :D |
| 22:16.05 | Fisker- | so the little notification area is better |
| 22:16.08 | Fisker- | BUT MY ADDONS ARE STILL OUT OF |
| 22:16.21 | Kaelten | Fisker-: I can't change it now what would you dwell on then? |
| 22:16.40 | Fisker- | i'll think of something :P |
| 22:16.49 | Lunessa | kd3 only to 11,999 of 12,000 /cry |
| 22:16.52 | Fisker- | there's also a fairly annoying bug that the window doesn't get drawn |
| 22:17.07 | Fisker- | only a blank grey window :o |
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| 22:17.50 | malikeye | guess this might be a feature request, but 'downloading addon'... can that be elaborated a bit ? |
| 22:18.09 | Kaelten | Fisker-: seen in 2.1? |
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| 22:23.04 | Fisker- | yeah Kaelten |
| 22:23.12 | Kaelten | fuck |
| 22:23.34 | nevcairiel | don't trust in the fisker |
| 22:23.41 | Fisker- | infact just happened here |
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| 22:34.29 | Nechckn | Has anyone changed up from MobInfo 2 to MobInfo 3? Just wondering if it keeps your database or if it start anew. |
| 22:35.31 | Kirov | Haven't had a reason to keep MobInfo |
| 22:35.48 | Nechckn | The drop info is helpful for leveling |
| 22:36.25 | Dagmar | Yep, it's a bit easier to see that Polished Monkeytongs aren't dropping from the Furious Rock Monsters but they are from the Slightly Pissed Rock Monsters |
| 22:36.38 | Nechckn | You are right about the HP amounts and such.. but the resistance info and the drop percentages is nice. |
| 22:36.53 | Nechckn | lol... exactly |
| 22:37.27 | kd3 | lol |
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| 22:38.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Anyone know what the "Weapon Damage" stat value in Rawr represents? DPS, max damage, average damage? |
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| 22:41.27 | Nechckn | Not sure on that one, NightHawkTheSane still using the DrDamage for that type of info. |
| 22:41.51 | kd3 | drdamage needs an update |
| 22:42.13 | Nechckn | the betas on wowace have been kept up, for the most part. |
| 22:43.00 | Nechckn | but, yeah... some recent changes have not been included |
| 22:43.23 | Nechckn | is Rawr more up-to-date? |
| 22:43.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Nechckn: yeah, i'm trying to use it to build a pawn scale, though. |
| 22:43.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Nechckn: depending on class/spec, yes |
| 22:43.37 | Nechckn | Ahhh.. gotcha, NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:43.37 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone with a character in Dalaran or Wintergrasp that is on a russian server that may test my localization of WintergraspTimer? |
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| 23:03.04 | mikma | hmm |
| 23:03.19 | Lunessa | In Soviet Northrend Winter grasps you? |
| 23:03.27 | mikma | 2 days to go |
| 23:03.43 | mikma | mike-n-go: screw the ruskies |
| 23:03.56 | Tekkub | I would |
| 23:04.01 | Tekkub | russian bears is cute |
| 23:04.09 | Lunessa | You like 'em beefy and furry. :P |
| 23:04.18 | Fisker- | omg ptr? |
| 23:04.30 | kd3 | coies up |
| 23:04.31 | kd3 | gogogo |
| 23:04.42 | Fisker- | old |
| 23:04.49 | Fisker- | wanna make out btw? |
| 23:05.15 | foxlit | Copies Remaining: 3 || Average Wait Time: 28 days |
| 23:05.20 | foxlit | I'll get back to you on that. |
| 23:05.39 | Fisker- | us is down to like 4 days now |
| 23:05.45 | Fisker- | so most of them can be done within a day |
| 23:05.51 | kd3 | 3 days now |
| 23:06.12 | mikma | mike-n-go: i has interesting comments on chamois about russian localization not working |
| 23:06.41 | mikma | mike-n-go: latest was "works now i fixed it" ... riiiiiiiiight |
| 23:06.50 | foxlit | I wonder what you two are actually localizing that can't be globalized. |
| 23:07.33 | Mike-N-Go | Foxlit: The name of Magister Surdiel, Arcanist Braedin, and what they say. |
| 23:07.55 | mikma | foxlit: well i dunno, and since i didnt get any info i cant help either lol |
| 23:07.56 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 23:08.00 | foxlit | You don't need their names. |
| 23:08.11 | foxlit | I'm not convinced you need the text either, but you should go into more detail on that. |
| 23:08.19 | mikma | well i did actually find a fuckup in the code and i think i fixed it |
| 23:08.24 | foxlit | UnitGUID and creature ID, go. |
| 23:09.35 | mikma | Hmm! |
| 23:10.34 | mikma | aaaanyway, i am not using text in my addon, only spellID and shit =/ |
| 23:11.01 | Mike-N-Go | foxlit: What an idea. I'll have to look into that. |
| 23:11.58 | foxlit | I think you might be able to lose the text as well |
| 23:12.18 | foxlit | Since if you're talking to one of those NPCs, you're on northrend, and world map has the wintergrasp state (combat/control). |
| 23:12.44 | mikma | i'm using another way in WGT light |
| 23:12.48 | foxlit | Knowing the current combat/control state, you can just capture what looks like a duration. |
| 23:13.43 | NightHawkTheSane | oh dear.. http://www.fmylife.com/sex/112605 |
| 23:13.52 | mikma | select(2,0 then WG.StopTimer() |
| 23:13.58 | mikma | whops |
| 23:14.18 | mikma | if select(2,GetWorldStateUIInfo(8)) == 1 |
| 23:14.33 | mikma | there we go =/ touchscreen failure |
| 23:15.08 | foxlit | which only works if you're in wintergrasp? |
| 23:15.20 | mikma | that returns 1 if combat has ended, while combat is on select(2,GetWorldStateUIInfo(5)) returns 1 |
| 23:15.46 | mikma | select(3,GetWorldStateUIInfo(8)):match("%d:%d%d:%d%d") |
| 23:16.00 | mikma | i use that to see if you are in wintergrasp |
| 23:16.20 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: /facepalm |
| 23:16.21 | mikma | only wintergrasp returns X:XX:XX |
| 23:16.38 | mikma | 0:45:15 for example |
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| 23:16.56 | foxlit | That's a pretty nasty assumption. |
| 23:17.11 | foxlit | (You set yourself up for future issues if they ever add that sort of timer anywhere else) |
| 23:17.52 | mikma | i'll take care of it if it happens later |
| 23:18.08 | mikma | too lazy to get into it |
| 23:18.16 | foxlit | You could also just check that GetZonePVPInfo() == "combat" |
| 23:19.13 | mikma | i think the timer will do for now, cause any other zone/bg uses XX:XX time |
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| 23:22.29 | Mike-N-Go | foxlit: Thanks for the idea. I will look into that. |
| 23:22.38 | foxlit | Mike-N-Go: have fun :) |
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| 23:23.34 | mikma | i'll rip your way if its any good ;) |
| 23:24.28 | Mike-N-Go | BTW, mikma, I released a new version of the timer today. |
| 23:25.07 | mikma | nice. me too! lol |
| 23:28.37 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: Did you see http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12443-WintergrasptimerViolatesmod.html? |
| 23:31.17 | Arrowmaster | is your addon even under a FOSS license? |
| 23:31.40 | Tekkub | 242424 go go PRNG |
| 23:31.43 | mikma | mike-n-go: yeah, his code sucked and didn't make any sense so i told him "no" |
| 23:32.17 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: Maybe you should make a comment on his file about that. |
| 23:32.49 | Dagmar | Find a way to make his code self-immolate when sent specially crafted messages. |
| 23:33.00 | mikma | mike-n-go: nah, cant be arsed =D |
| 23:33.38 | Tem | mikma, I'll do it for you |
| 23:34.42 | mikma | tem: thanks babe |
| 23:34.50 | Tem | well.. wait a sec |
| 23:34.54 | Tem | who wrote it? |
| 23:35.02 | Tem | why does he link to a mod posted by Mike-N-Go |
| 23:35.02 | Pneumatus | anyone know of an addon that hides spell tooltips in combat? |
| 23:35.13 | Tem | lol |
| 23:35.21 | Mike-N-Go | Tem: Ownership changed. |
| 23:35.21 | Tem | Pneumatus is a clicker |
| 23:35.34 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: Gave the mod to me about 3 weeks ago. |
| 23:35.36 | Pneumatus | only partially :P |
| 23:35.38 | mikma | tem: i wrote it and handed it to mike-n-go, then i rewrote it as "light" =D |
| 23:35.55 | Tem | well |
| 23:36.19 | Tem | Unless I'm completley daft, the license included doesn't give him any derivative work rights |
| 23:36.36 | Tem | so unless he had your permission, his addon should net him a DMCA takedown notice |
| 23:37.03 | mikma | Havent put any copywrite notes in any of my addon =/ |
| 23:37.21 | mikma | should put "free code, use if you want" in |
| 23:37.40 | Tekkub | so, ATM, you retain your copyright |
| 23:37.44 | Tekkub | gg |
| 23:37.58 | kd3 | your copyright is implicit even if you don't put a notice in your files |
| 23:38.25 | Mike-N-Go | Unless otherwise stated, the original author is the owner of a declarative work. |
| 23:38.28 | Dagmar | Plus it's in poor taste to jack code without explicit concent |
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| 23:39.14 | mikma | the features he kept asking were stupid and i discarded them twice, so he made a modification =) |
| 23:39.51 | mikma | only thing i actually liked and rewrote was announcing LFM, so i put that in light |
| 23:40.15 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: You can handle this however you like; but unless you gave consent, either to him or noted on your addon, he is at fault and you can give him a hard time. |
| 23:40.47 | Mike-N-Go | By noted on your addon, I mean something like a license or notice. |
| 23:40.57 | Tem | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=12443#comments |
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| 23:43.10 | mikma | i find it funny that people rather do forks and release them instead of doing a plugin in the page |
| 23:43.28 | mikma | i allowed other people to upload stuff and 0 used it |
| 23:43.29 | Olison | Is there any mod known to you where I can save "presets" to the LFG panel? |
| 23:44.36 | Mike-N-Go | Olison: Last I read about changing the LFG wanted type and zone, it required a hardware action, I am not 100% sure, though |
| 23:44.43 | Olison | Hmmm ok |
| 23:45.01 | Dagmar | We can probably thank spammers for that restriction |
| 23:45.28 | Pytlask | Olison: What would you use presets for? |
| 23:46.01 | Mike-N-Go | Wintergrasp? |
| 23:46.21 | mikma | mike-n-go: you only added russian in for now? |
| 23:46.38 | Pytlask | Would it really be that much easier to select a preset Wintergrasp from a dropdown instead of just selecting Zone and Wintergrasp from the dropdown? |
| 23:46.42 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: put in russian because some user translated it for me. |
| 23:46.55 | Pytlask | Or do you mean like automatically queue you up when there are 5 mins until WG? |
| 23:47.31 | mikma | hehe. well the unitGUID sounds interesting and i will also have to take a look at it |
| 23:47.53 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: I'll let you know if I figure anything out about GUID too. |
| 23:48.07 | Tem | mikma, FWIW, I wouldn't give my consent to the derivative work |
| 23:48.35 | mikma | ~FWIW |
| 23:48.36 | purl | methinks fwiw is for {what,whatever} it's worth |
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| 23:49.13 | Mike-N-Go | I wonder if he has any other addon projects? |
| 23:49.34 | Tem | nope |
| 23:50.30 | mikma | i really dont know... its not worth the problem if it wont fuck up the broadcasted time (like Capping did) |
| 23:51.11 | Tem | *shrug* |
| 23:51.20 | Tem | I'm spiteful to people who steal my code without asking |
| 23:51.29 | mikma | mike-n-go will rewrite it to be 2x better than it was with his copyrighted code, and i have a "light" version now =) |
| 23:51.50 | Mike-N-Go | Tem: Maybe they think they are recycling? |
| 23:51.55 | mikma | well he "credits" me but also makes me look like a dick in the description =) |
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| 23:52.05 | Tem | if he had it posted at any site but wowi, I'd already have a DMCA in the mail |
| 23:52.50 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: All you have to do is tell a wowi admin that he ripped your work. I think they can take it from there. |
| 23:52.52 | Tem | if the host was worldofwar.net, I'd be tempted to send the DMCA to their host rather than them... |
| 23:53.00 | Tem | but I |
| 23:53.02 | mikma | i let cairenn decide. shes fantastic at stuff like that =) |
| 23:53.04 | Tem | 'm a mean person |
| 23:53.23 | Mike-N-Go | Tem: lol |
| 23:53.24 | Cairenn | hmmm? |
| 23:53.33 | Lunessa | No you're not Tem. You hardly peg the "mean-o-meter" |
| 23:53.35 | mikma | tem: you aren't, you just need a hug every now and then |
| 23:53.40 | Mike-N-Go | Cairenn: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=12443#comments is the matter in question |
| 23:53.45 | Lopeppeppy | I have hugged Tem. He tried to duck. |
| 23:53.48 | Lopeppeppy | He's a meanie. |
| 23:53.50 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
| 23:54.03 | mikma | lopeppeppy: thats why he needs the hug more |
| 23:54.04 | Tem | lol |
| 23:54.14 | mikma | try again, harder next time |
| 23:54.14 | Lunessa | Maybe he's asacriad of the huggles and needs a RAWR. |
| 23:54.26 | mikma | tackle -> hug while hes on ground |
| 23:54.31 | Tem | Lopeppeppy, I don't think ducking would have helped me |
| 23:54.37 | Tem | so I rather doubt that I ducked |
| 23:55.09 | Lopeppeppy | I'll try harder next time, with extra rawr. *takes notes* |
| 23:55.18 | Tem | lol |
| 23:55.20 | mikma | yeah, tem is trying to be mean but we see through his curtain! |
| 23:55.22 | Cairenn | mikma: it's a rip of your original work? |
| 23:55.49 | Tem | Cairenn, it's identical to mikma's stuff (he even says so in the description) with some features added |
| 23:55.54 | Cairenn | mikma: did he use your code, or just the idea and wrote his own code? |
| 23:56.00 | Tem | (features mikma refused) |
| 23:56.02 | mikma | cairenn: its the same + added stuff i declined to add (didnt tell him cause his code was odd¤) |
| 23:56.15 | Cairenn | Tem: yeah, I'm reading it, but I need Mikma to answer me directly :p |
| 23:56.16 | mikma | - euro |
| 23:56.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Hirsute (n=Rupert@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Hirsute) |
| 23:56.47 | Cairenn | mikma: and what, if anything, would you like done about it? do you want me to mediate between you guys, do you want me to remove it outright, what? |
| 23:56.51 | mikma | sorry i type slow with this nokia =/ |
| 23:56.58 | Cairenn | no worries :) |
| 23:57.33 | mikma | cairenn: you tell me! tem says remove it but i personally dont care since mike-n-go is the new author of the code |
| 23:57.54 | Cairenn | Mike-N-Go: what, if anything, do _you_ want done with it? |
| 23:57.58 | Tem | mikma, have you seen his code? |
| 23:58.04 | mikma | tem: nope |
| 23:58.05 | Mike-N-Go | I will list what I know, and then what I think. |
| 23:58.16 | Tem | he has "you can donate" speach listing himself in the ?wg command |
| 23:58.28 | mikma | .. what? |
| 23:58.29 | Tem | I'd want him keel hauled for that alone |
| 23:58.31 | Cairenn | one option, that you guys could consider is asking him to submit it as a plugin? |
| 23:58.32 | Cairenn | or? |
| 23:58.42 | Mike-N-Go | 1) I do not believe he asked to upload his modified version to WoWI. |
| 23:58.42 | Cairenn | Tem: he what? |
| 23:58.54 | Cairenn | Tem: he spams in-game asking for donations? |
| 23:59.00 | Tem | SendChatMessage("If you love this announce system send donation to Violate, author of this mod.2 Roywick : Eat my socks." , "CHANNEL", nil, arg8); |
| 23:59.04 | Tem | the line is commented out |
| 23:59.29 | Cairenn | if it's commented out (ie doesn't fire) then I don't care about it |
| 23:59.41 | Tem | personally, I'm offended that it's there at all |
| 23:59.48 | Tem | commented or not |
