| 00:00.20 | kd3 | I should move my data directory across devices and back or something. wonder if it'd help? |
| 00:00.28 | ScytheBlade1 | usually |
| 00:00.33 | ScytheBlade1 | what fs? |
| 00:00.37 | kd3 | ext4 |
| 00:00.51 | ScytheBlade1 | fully migrated to extents? |
| 00:00.55 | kd3 | afaik |
| 00:01.14 | kd3 | anaconda said 'do you want to upgrade to ext4?' and I'm all like 'sure!' |
| 00:01.17 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tytso/ext4-patches/2.6.28-ext4-3/broken-out/defrag-09-online-defrag-command |
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| 00:01.54 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 00:02.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ~stab Shirik |
| 00:02.05 | purl | ACTION runs at Shirik with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 00:02.13 | kd3 | mmm, cold pizza for dinner |
| 00:02.42 | Shirik | ~whaleparry ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:02.43 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry ScytheBlade1's attacks. |
| 00:03.25 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/opie/movR << whee! |
| 00:03.54 | kd3 | yay, a cooking award in my spice bag |
| 00:06.03 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: disappointing, the squirrel remains alive |
| 00:06.07 | End | another picnic basket, seriously? |
| 00:06.30 | kd3 | isn't that so goddamned annoying? |
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| 00:07.17 | End | by my count, bags of candy are far more rare than picnic baskets |
| 00:07.26 | kd3 | Zootfizzle, wtb [flyable] fixed in dalaran+wintergrasp please |
| 00:07.37 | bleeter | ^^ QFT |
| 00:11.12 | kd3 | oh, and while I'm making suggestions, an increase of the length in right-click-to-move would be great. dun niffelem is kinda annoying still. 'Target is too far away.' |
| 00:12.38 | Arrowmaster | god damnit i have a dvd movie that wont show up in my dvd drive, shows as 0 bytes |
| 00:12.42 | Arrowmaster | but it works in my 360 |
| 00:13.08 | kd3 | you've got some drm nastyware on your machine? |
| 00:13.16 | Arrowmaster | shouldnt |
| 00:13.28 | Arrowmaster | and i dont even have autoplay |
| 00:14.32 | kd3 | "Holding down the shift key while inserting the disc is a violation of the DMCA for getting around my "encryption" scheme" |
| 00:14.39 | kd3 | anyone remember that? |
| 00:15.08 | bleeter | huh? |
| 00:15.50 | kd3 | a few years back someone got in trouble for announcing that holding down the shift key while putting in some auto-drm-installer-on-autorun disc got in trouble and nearly got sued or something similar |
| 00:16.40 | kd3 | s/disc/disc would get around the stupid drm/ |
| 00:16.46 | Shirik | ~stab ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:16.47 | purl | ACTION runs at ScytheBlade1 with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 00:16.51 | Arrowmaster | yes i remember that |
| 00:16.54 | bleeter | ohhh |
| 00:17.04 | bleeter | so, if you disabled autorun it's also violate DMCA? |
| 00:17.08 | bleeter | it'd |
| 00:17.12 | Arrowmaster | it was music cds i think |
| 00:17.14 | kd3 | something to that effect |
| 00:17.14 | kd3 | ya |
| 00:17.36 | Arrowmaster | you could also use a sharpie on the outside ring of data |
| 00:18.11 | Arrowmaster | or ive done it a few times and used a cd coping software and copied just the music track and not the data track |
| 00:22.25 | tlund | if i create a frame from lua and set an OnLoad, will that be executed? or is the event fired before my frame is created? |
| 00:22.33 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:22.43 | tlund | i want to take care of saved variables, but i do not want to have a .xml file, is it possible? |
| 00:22.50 | Arrowmaster | OK IM FUCKING PISSED |
| 00:22.52 | Shirik | huh? |
| 00:22.54 | Arrowmaster | its not the dvd |
| 00:22.56 | Arrowmaster | its my computer |
| 00:23.03 | Shirik | tlund, those two things have no relation to each other |
| 00:23.10 | kd3 | "you've got some drm nastyware on your machine?" |
| 00:23.36 | Arrowmaster | the only thing i can think of is that i recently installed nero9 |
| 00:24.00 | tlund | Shirik: uuuh, ok? then, where other than my OnLoad (that i can't get without .xml) do you suggest that i set default values if they are not loaded from saved variables? |
| 00:24.16 | Shirik | Do it in your Lua file |
| 00:24.27 | Shirik | if it's saved, it will be overwritten |
| 00:25.31 | tlund | ok, let me try to explain in a different way. |
| 00:26.06 | tlund | the first time the addon is run, there is no saved variables. the values has to be set to their default values. normaly, in most addons, this is don in the onLoad function. something like this: |
| 00:26.11 | tlund | if ( not saved ) then |
| 00:26.13 | tlund | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.16 | tlund | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.18 | tlund | end |
| 00:26.30 | tlund | since i cant have a onLoad function, i need to do it from another function, that gets called automatically. |
| 00:26.40 | tlund | possibly at PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD, or something? |
| 00:27.16 | Shirik | nonono |
| 00:27.16 | tlund | oh, wait |
| 00:27.30 | Shirik | stop thinking so hard |
| 00:27.36 | tlund | you mean i just set them, and IF they exist in the saved variables, it just gets overwritten? |
| 00:27.38 | Shirik | put the defaults in the Lua file |
| 00:27.42 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:27.48 | tlund | yes, i was indeed thinking to hard, thats brilliant, and simple. :) |
| 00:27.50 | tlund | thank you! |
| 00:28.10 | bleeter | think of the SV/Defaults relationship as a kinda saved state machine thingy |
| 00:28.35 | bleeter | more thingy is always good >< |
| 00:31.30 | tlund | with "function foo(bar)", bar will be a local variable to function foo, right? its ok to do "bar = string.tolower(bar) and it will stay a local variable? |
| 00:31.46 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:32.03 | Shirik | but instead, do bar:tolower() |
| 00:32.22 | Shirik | lua> s = "Foo"; return s:tolower() |
| 00:32.22 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call method 'tolower' (a nil value) |
| 00:32.25 | Shirik | lua> s = "Foo"; return s:lower() |
| 00:32.25 | lua_bot | Shirik: foo |
| 00:32.30 | Shirik | Except instead of tolower(), use lower() |
| 00:32.31 | tlund | bar = bar:tolower() then? or does it actually operate in the variable? |
| 00:32.31 | Shirik | like I thought |
| 00:32.43 | Shirik | that's right |
| 00:32.43 | tlund | (minus the "to") |
| 00:35.29 | ScytheBlade1 | You'll quickly learn that lua is magic :) |
| 00:35.56 | Shirik | I'm magic |
| 00:36.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ~stab Shirik |
| 00:36.03 | purl | ACTION runs at Shirik with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 00:36.23 | ScytheBlade1 | And now you've got a nasty paper cut |
| 00:36.43 | Ackis | ScytheBlade1: http://paste.wowace.com/276/ |
| 00:37.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Ackis: ? |
| 00:37.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Ackis: ah, working? |
| 00:37.15 | Ackis | modified code that you looked at the otherday... no not working |
| 00:37.22 | Ackis | no one knows why heh |
| 00:37.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: line 22 through 29 of Ackis's link |
| 00:37.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you know lua-based frames far better than I do |
| 00:38.03 | Shirik | 26 looks wrong |
| 00:38.54 | Shirik | you also never SetPoint icon |
| 00:41.51 | Ackis | Shirik: icon doesn't need a setpoint I thought because it gets set with astrolabe? |
| 00:41.54 | bleeter | oO tech and billing aren't taking presidents' day off?? what's the world coming to! |
| 00:42.00 | Shirik | I don't know, I don't use astrolabe |
| 00:42.10 | Shirik | All I know is you used CreateFrame to create a button and that was it |
| 00:42.39 | kd3 | "You don't meet the requirements for that quest" huh? I'm freaking revered with the frost giants |
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| 00:49.21 | bleeter | oO US game policy documents are currently missing any reference to casinos and gambling oO |
| 00:50.43 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: its a bug of sorts |
| 00:51.22 | NightHawkTheSane | I assume you just completed one of the dailies? It's bugged so it tries to give you teh followup quest to the non-daily version, but you've already done it, so you're not elligable |
| 00:51.44 | kd3 | ah, guess that makes sens |
| 00:55.03 | tlund | it seems I am not allowed to concatinate like this: print("foo: " .. (variable and "on") or "off) <- lua tells me that i am attempting to concatinate a boolean value. :( |
| 00:55.12 | tlund | any other nice solutions? :) |
| 00:55.35 | tlund | (i want to print out boolean settings as either "on" or "off" (and am gonna put colors on them aswell)) |
| 00:55.52 | tlund | (and yes, i forgot a " in that example) |
| 00:56.10 | Saeris | .. has higher precedence than "or". add another pair of parentheses. |
| 00:56.23 | tlund | ok! |
| 00:56.45 | Saeris | print("foo: " .. ((variable and "on") or "off")), etcetera. |
| 00:56.57 | NightHawkTheSane | you dont really need the inner parens either |
| 00:57.02 | Saeris | true |
| 00:57.09 | NightHawkTheSane | as and has a higher priority than or |
| 00:57.28 | Saeris | I include them anyway for clarity, usually. |
| 00:58.09 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* i tend to leave them out for the same reason, makes it easier for me to recognize it as a ternary statement |
| 00:58.27 | Arrowmaster | yeah i leave them out as they make it harder to read |
| 00:58.54 | tlund | perfect! thanks |
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| 01:16.00 | tlund | in lua, what is the difference between "function foo()" and "function foo(...)"? |
| 01:16.48 | End | extra args can be accessed via the ... construct |
| 01:17.47 | End | "function foo(a,b,c) stuff end" gives the same result as "function foo(...) local a,b,c = ...; stuff end" |
| 01:17.55 | tlund | ah. |
| 01:18.05 | End | See Also: select() |
| 01:18.16 | tlund | and if i do (foo) it will just GC whatever is sent as an argument to the function? |
| 01:18.45 | End | what do you mean (foot) |
| 01:18.47 | End | er |
| 01:18.48 | End | (foo) |
| 01:19.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Any args sent that aren't defined in the function will be ignored |
| 01:22.21 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
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| 01:24.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: poke |
| 01:24.11 | Shirik | what do you want |
| 01:24.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Two things |
| 01:24.18 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) Fix the topic |
| 01:24.22 | ScytheBlade1 | 2) Entertain me |
| 01:24.31 | NightHawkTheSane | hah, http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3460/3238411144_b6bce060a9_o.gif |
| 01:24.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 01:24.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ;D |
| 01:25.03 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 01:25.04 | End | hah |
| 01:25.52 | End | uh oh |
| 01:26.00 | End | I finally got a bag of candies |
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| 01:26.04 | End | but |
| 01:26.16 | End | it looks like I might not get the last one I need... |
| 01:26.29 | Cloudwolf | O.o |
| 01:26.36 | Cloudwolf | ~melt the world |
| 01:26.36 | purl | ACTION throws ice stones on the world |
| 01:26.59 | NightHawkTheSane | End: yeah, 3 bags so far, still need one candy. |
| 01:27.00 | Cloudwolf | ~facepalm |
| 01:27.01 | purl | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 01:27.19 | Cloudwolf | ive found that wow is to the point of insanley boring |
| 01:27.23 | Thunder_Child | is it hard to get a bag of candies? i was the first thing i got |
| 01:27.36 | Cloudwolf | achivements will take a long time to get anyting from them and the such |
| 01:27.37 | End | it's rng |
| 01:27.51 | NightHawkTheSane | it's two rngs. >< |
| 01:27.57 | End | yeah, in this case |
| 01:27.59 | End | >:( |
| 01:28.01 | Cloudwolf | :P |
| 01:28.06 | NightHawkTheSane | that bothers me more than anything |
| 01:28.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you don't comply with demands well |
| 01:28.21 | End | ok, well, maybe the fourth bag will have what I need |
| 01:28.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont mind one, but getting screwed by two random factors |
| 01:28.27 | End | assuming I get a fourth bag |
| 01:28.38 | NightHawkTheSane | is kind of frustrating |
| 01:29.00 | Cloudwolf | wow has turned into achievement whoring raiding is repetitive pvp is gear based not necisarily skill. :( |
| 01:29.32 | Corrodias | pvp isn't entirely gear-based. you won't get anywhere without knowing what you're doing. |
| 01:29.36 | NightHawkTheSane | pvp has always been gear based and raiding has always been repetetive |
| 01:30.01 | Cloudwolf | i know |
| 01:30.08 | Cloudwolf | but still this happens to me everytime |
| 01:30.14 | Cloudwolf | maxed level to lazy to level another up |
| 01:30.26 | Cloudwolf | and all the end game stuff is boring quickly |
| 01:30.38 | NightHawkTheSane | so do something else? |
| 01:30.46 | Corrodias | maybe you should stop playing wow. |
| 01:30.50 | Cloudwolf | XD its why all ive done for wow recently is code |
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| 01:31.02 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 01:31.05 | Corrodias | there are a lot of other games out there. even free ones. |
| 01:31.16 | Cloudwolf | yeah im stingy... |
| 01:31.31 | Cloudwolf | i think ima go play wc3 |
| 01:31.34 | Thunder_Child | are the heart candies vendor trash after you get them? |
| 01:31.45 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 01:31.51 | NightHawkTheSane | you can't even vendor them :P |
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| 01:31.58 | Cloudwolf | there trash trash trash |
| 01:32.14 | Cloudwolf | *they are |
| 01:32.32 | Cloudwolf | happy valentines day |
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| 01:33.35 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.43 | Cloudwolf | ~bandaid |
| 01:33.46 | Cloudwolf | aww |
| 01:33.48 | Cloudwolf | ... |
| 01:42.17 | Shirik | who here knows PHP? |
| 01:42.24 | Shirik | What is <?= ? |
| 01:42.33 | Shirik | I can't google that unfortunately |
| 01:42.34 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:42.58 | NightHawkTheSane | it's equivalent to "<? echo" |
| 01:43.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Something that really shouldn't be used anywhere ever |
| 01:43.11 | Corrodias | i <3 echo |
| 01:43.26 | Shirik | ok that's what I thought |
| 01:43.35 | Shirik | is there supposed to be a semicolon at the end? |
| 01:43.43 | Shirik | i.e., <?=a;?> or <?=a?> |
| 01:43.56 | NightHawkTheSane | its optional |
| 01:43.57 | WobWork | no semicolon |
| 01:43.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i think |
| 01:43.59 | WobWork | needed |
| 01:44.19 | WobWork | if it's a throwback to the asp type |
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| 01:46.21 | WobWork | what's zHunter? |
| 01:46.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i just checked, the semicolon is optional in <?="blah"?> statements |
| 01:46.52 | WobWork | oh nm, found it |
| 01:47.00 | Daede | zHunter Mod is a mod made by Zanzer |
| 01:47.09 | Daede | does hunter traps n stuff :) |
| 01:48.44 | WobWork | I've been using the dHunter mod |
| 01:48.57 | WobWork | and opie for aspects |
| 01:49.08 | Daede | ive been using zhunter forever, i really like it |
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| 01:49.26 | WobWork | Although I need a better trap management |
| 01:49.37 | WobWork | opie is a little awkward for traps |
| 01:49.49 | Daede | for hunter specific stuff, i use zHunter for traps, aspects, and my pet bar |
| 01:49.56 | Daede | and HunterTimers |
| 01:50.05 | Daede | for LnL procs n such so i can trap dance |
| 01:50.51 | WobWork | I need HunterTimers |
| 01:50.54 | WobWork | LnL is fun |
| 01:50.57 | Daede | its pretty nice |
| 01:51.00 | Daede | yeah |
| 01:51.08 | Daede | trap dancing > * |
| 01:51.14 | Daede | if you do it right |
| 01:51.54 | Daede | after every steady shot tap w, by the time LnL is ready to proc again, you should be in the perfect range to drop your trap then disengage |
| 01:52.08 | Daede | then just tap w after each steady shot |
| 01:52.20 | WobWork | Is hunter timers on wowi? |
| 01:52.26 | Daede | iunno |
| 01:52.29 | Daede | i use wowmatrix |
| 01:52.41 | kd3 | ugh |
| 01:52.47 | Daede | pff |
| 01:52.49 | WobWork | terrible |
| 01:52.54 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.01 | WobWork | no really |
| 01:53.02 | WobWork | terrible |
| 01:53.09 | haste | horrendous! |
| 01:53.21 | Daede | screenshot or it didnt happen |
| 01:53.28 | WobWork | You can at least go support the sites that are -actually- hosting the addons |
| 01:53.34 | Daede | i do |
| 01:53.35 | WobWork | rather than use one that leeches from them |
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| 01:53.51 | ScytheBlade1 | wowmatrix is bad voodoo |
| 01:54.14 | Daede | that's kinda silly, dont you think? the program actually provides prominent links to the hosting site for every addon it provides access to.... |
| 01:54.29 | ScytheBlade1 | 100% straight with you |
| 01:54.36 | kd3 | but it still leeches from those sites by hotlinking the mods instead of hosting them on their site |
| 01:54.37 | ScytheBlade1 | You're probably the only person in channel who feels that way |
| 01:54.50 | Daede | iunno anything about that |
| 01:54.54 | Daede | im an end user and for me |
| 01:54.57 | kd3 | bandwidth is not cheap |
| 01:55.00 | Daede | that program saves a lot of time |
| 01:55.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure |
| 01:55.05 | Corrodias | so you're calling people's views silly without knowing anything about them? :( |
| 01:55.09 | Daede | cant you stop them? |
| 01:55.11 | Corrodias | well, your face is silly |
| 01:55.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Not really |
| 01:55.19 | WobWork | Not really feasible |
| 01:55.23 | WobWork | unfortunately |
| 01:55.24 | Daede | it is, indeed. you should see the one im making now ;) |
| 01:55.25 | kd3 | you think the sites they're leaching from haven't tried? |
| 01:55.35 | ScytheBlade1 | The end user computer uses the browser agent installed on the computer |
| 01:55.40 | ScytheBlade1 | So the sites just see any other browser |
| 01:55.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It would be invasive and painful for the legitimate users |
| 01:56.01 | ScytheBlade1 | (To prevent wowmatrix from using the sites) |
| 01:56.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Saves you time, sure |
| 01:56.58 | Daede | like i said, im just an end user, i dont really know anything about all that |
| 01:57.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why everyone here hates it :) |
| 01:57.27 | WobWork | Wait, are we all about costing people time? |
| 01:57.31 | WobWork | Why didn't I get the memo?! |
| 01:57.36 | Daede | lol |
| 01:57.47 | Daede | well, thank you very much to whoever pushed zHunter through :) |
| 01:57.53 | Daede | I appreciate it |
| 01:57.54 | ScytheBlade1 | WobWork: oh, sorry. I typo'd the memo - Wobwokr. |
| 01:58.15 | WobWork | That's the username I use when I'm cooking in the chinese resteraunt |
| 01:58.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:58.43 | Daede | is it because when programs like wowmatrix hotlink to the addons, it doesn't show the ads n such that actually pay for sites like wow-i and curse? |
| 01:58.52 | kd3 | yup |
| 01:58.52 | Daede | that would at least make some sense to me.. |
| 01:58.54 | ScytheBlade1 | more or less, yes exactly |
| 01:58.56 | Daede | kk |
| 01:59.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It consumes site bandwidth and gives them 0 ad revenue |
| 01:59.20 | WobWork | So really, the more wowmatrix gets used, the less revenue gets passed to the sites that -actually- host them |
| 01:59.31 | Daede | and im guessing when you approached wowm about it they told you to go piss up a rope? |
| 01:59.35 | WobWork | and if they get shut down, then WoWMatrix fails. |
| 01:59.35 | Corrodias | if the developers of that thing really wanted to be useful, they'd put up their own file host... oops, that's not allowed. :/ |
| 01:59.39 | ScytheBlade1 | They can't be contacted |
| 01:59.49 | WobWork | Which is why it's considered 'leeching' |
| 01:59.51 | ScytheBlade1 | They have no information available |
| 02:00.02 | WobWork | They're getting all the benefits of the files, and none of the downfalls |
| 02:00.07 | Daede | well, that seems a little one sided |
| 02:00.11 | WobWork | And -they- use ads too |
| 02:00.19 | WobWork | so they get revenue for free |
| 02:00.25 | Daede | yeah i was just thinking that there's 4 ads across the top of my client |
| 02:00.35 | Torhal | They also do not respect the authors' wishes when they're told to remove certain addons. |
| 02:00.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Right, for wowmatrix |
| 02:00.39 | ScytheBlade1 | 0 of which goes to the sites |
| 02:00.45 | Torhal | They simply remove the addon from the list on their web page,. |
| 02:00.58 | Torhal | It's still accessible from the client itself. |
| 02:01.01 | Corrodias | i thought they can't be contacted |
| 02:01.09 | ScytheBlade1 | same |
| 02:01.09 | Daede | SO, ive seen a lot of download sites that put a user-interactive system in for downloads.. type the letters you see here, stuff like that |
| 02:01.15 | Daede | why not do something like that? |
| 02:01.17 | Torhal | A couple of authors managed to find an e-mail address |
| 02:01.28 | kd3 | because that'd piss off the legit users of curse/wowi |
| 02:01.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Daede: because it would suck for the legit users? |
| 02:01.35 | Daede | it wouldnt piss me off at all |
| 02:01.44 | WobWork | They've got a contact form on the site |
| 02:01.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure if I had to pass a captcha for every of the 30 addons I use when I update them |
| 02:01.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd simply stop using addons |
| 02:02.01 | Daede | it's usually 4-6 charactetrs that the web has gotten us SO used to typing in hee and there that i seriously doubt anyone would give it a second thought |
| 02:02.11 | WobWork | I hate captchas |
| 02:02.14 | kd3 | ^ |
| 02:02.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 02:02.19 | Corrodias | there's no good solution |
| 02:02.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 02:02.31 | Corrodias | there's no way to let people update massive numbers of addons without consuming lots of bandwidth |
| 02:02.33 | WobWork | Except dissuading people from using WoWMatrix =) |
| 02:02.44 | WobWork | Social solution =) |
| 02:02.52 | Corrodias | even that sucks. i used like 300 addons, am i going to go to 300 web pages? |
| 02:03.02 | Daede | well, man the way i see it you can't have it both ways. you want to bitch about people leeching off your bandwidth but the technology exists to stop it and you choose not to use it.. that's republican reasoning if ive ever seen it heh |
| 02:03.04 | Corrodias | count all the libs, make it 400 |
| 02:03.21 | WobWork | Daede: Not really. How many addons do you use? |
| 02:03.31 | Shirik | Daede, suffice to say, WoWMatrix is not supporting the sites it takes bandwidth from |
| 02:03.33 | Shirik | AT all |
| 02:03.35 | Daede | individual downloads? about 60 |
| 02:03.39 | Shirik | And INTENTIONALLY circumvents restrictions |
| 02:03.45 | WobWork | So, say there's a major patch, and all 60 change |
| 02:03.47 | Shirik | and ignores requests to stop |
| 02:03.49 | Daede | Shirk: fair enough |
| 02:03.56 | WobWork | Are you really willing to type out 60 captchas to update? |
| 02:03.57 | Daede | after what ive read here im going to stop using it |
| 02:04.06 | Daede | i was just pointing out the relatively obvious :) |
| 02:04.19 | Daede | Wob: I update about once a week or after a patch |
| 02:04.21 | Daede | yeah |
| 02:04.26 | Shirik | During patch days, wowmatrix has single-handedly taken down sites |
| 02:04.33 | Daede | and out of those, about 6-8 need updated |
| 02:04.52 | WobWork | Daede: I'm talking about a major api change that would cause all 60 to change |
| 02:04.54 | Daede | so yeah i'd type in 4- letters 6 times a week to stay updated |
| 02:05.02 | Daede | lol like 2.4 |
| 02:05.06 | Daede | that was a nightmare |
| 02:05.17 | WobWork | Captcha is a useful mechanism |
| 02:05.24 | WobWork | but it's a technical solution to a social problem |
| 02:05.28 | WobWork | which will never work |
| 02:05.45 | Tekkub | there's only one solution to social problems |
| 02:05.49 | Tekkub | and no one likes it |
| 02:05.51 | WobWork | A punch in the face |
| 02:05.51 | ScytheBlade1 | KILL THE USERS |
| 02:05.52 | kd3 | kill everyone? |
| 02:05.53 | Torhal | Daede: WoWInterface has a new updater in the works for their site, and Curse has a Release Candidate version of their new client |
| 02:05.59 | Torhal | Daede: http://static.curseforge.net/uploads/18/328/740/CurseSetup-2.1.1.12.RC1.exe |
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| 02:07.07 | NightHawkTheSane | does the mac version of the curse updater still suck donkey balls? |
| 02:07.13 | Daede | I look at it like this: wowm has made it pretty obvious they dont give a rats ass and they're gonna keep doing what they want. The ball is in your court. You could setup a session-based captcha, couldn't you? that lets their session live for 30-60 minutes? that would force the persom to the site to DL, and remove the need to repeatedly put the same thing in |
| 02:07.15 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Are you on mac? |
| 02:07.21 | WobWork | oh btw Daede: Were you talking about Kharthas' Hunter timers earlier? |
| 02:07.25 | Daede | Torhal: I hate the curse client. |
| 02:07.27 | Daede | yes |
| 02:07.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: yes? that would by why i asked :P |
| 02:07.33 | Torhal | Daede: I said "new client" |
| 02:07.36 | Shirik | Daede: Well you will have a solution relatively soon |
| 02:07.43 | Torhal | As in, not the old client or even reminiscent of it. |
| 02:07.49 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: I probably need more Mac OS testers soon :) |
| 02:07.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Daede: and then wowmatrix pops up the captcha, and says "type this in to download everything" |
| 02:08.02 | Daede | Shirik: does what i said make sense, though? |
| 02:08.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, yeah, i can probably do that |
| 02:08.18 | Daede | Scythe: from the looks of the app, the guys who wrote it aren't smart enough |
| 02:08.20 | Shirik | We don't want to use captchas, Daede |
| 02:08.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Daede: I'd disagree |
| 02:08.28 | Shirik | If we force restrictions on the users, then wowmatrix has won |
| 02:08.40 | End | well |
| 02:08.46 | WobWork | To support their ill gotten gains, it wouldn't be hard to add that in =P |
| 02:08.51 | Daede | you're looking at it as win/lose i'd be personally looking at it as lost revenue vs gained revenue |
| 02:08.54 | End | you've certainly not have gained anything |
| 02:08.59 | Daede | but i understand your pov |
| 02:09.45 | Daede | anyways, tyvm for pushing zhunter through so i could download it. i'm gonna delete wowmatrix, and tell my crew to start using the actual sites |
| 02:09.55 | Daede | keep up all the great work |
| 02:10.11 | ScytheBlade1 | whoo |
| 02:10.12 | ScytheBlade1 | +1! |
| 02:10.14 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 02:10.16 | WobWork | \o/ |
| 02:10.23 | Daede | yeah but there arent gonna be many like me |
| 02:10.27 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 02:10.28 | ScytheBlade1 | not many |
| 02:10.30 | Daede | 100% of the people out there dont care |
| 02:10.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 02:10.38 | WobWork | but each one more is still good |
| 02:10.38 | Daede | and you can take that one to the bank |
| 02:10.49 | ScytheBlade1 | we'll happily take what we can get |
| 02:10.52 | Daede | amen |
| 02:11.01 | kd3 | hm. apparently the new curse client fails horribly in wine. that's kinda annoying |
| 02:11.22 | Daede | i always cheated and used crossover office |
| 02:11.27 | Daede | ;) |
| 02:11.43 | kd3 | the old curse client works fine. suppose I need to bitch at ckk/kael |
| 02:12.09 | WobWork | See, the advantage of this channel is, that if the addon programs fail, we can bitch to the authors =P |
| 02:12.16 | Daede | if you install xover office, then manually update wine to the latest, you end up with dx9+ capable wine with the crossover app installer which is /WIN |
| 02:12.20 | WobWork | For normal users, they're SOL |
| 02:12.32 | kd3 | wine itself is dx9 capable... |
| 02:12.46 | Daede | yeah but the one that is released with xover is limp |
| 02:13.18 | cbreak | LaTeX. |
| 02:13.32 | Daede | oh i guess i could ask a couple of other questions while im here |
| 02:13.38 | NightHawkTheSane | http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6797/20482314927bc8e17e21lb6.jpg |
| 02:13.46 | Daede | WTB DKP addon that works with 2 DKP pools |
| 02:14.20 | kd3 | excel |
| 02:14.30 | kd3 | spreadsheets are great for that |
| 02:14.36 | Daede | like we use spend-all dkp and have seperate pools for tier vs gear, and we need an addon that can manage both |
| 02:14.49 | Daede | yeah thats what i said. wtb guild leader who isn't ass-hat lazy |
| 02:14.57 | cbreak | excel? bah. |
| 02:15.06 | cbreak | sql + languageofchoice |
| 02:15.22 | cbreak | + a database of course :) |
| 02:15.31 | cbreak | sqlite, mysql or so |
| 02:15.36 | Daede | and this one will sound weird but |
| 02:16.26 | Daede | How hard would it be to rip the unitframe buffs out of xperl and turn them into a standalone addon? i'd really like to use pitbull+grid, but the way xperl does unitframe buffs pretty much has me not switching (the double sized self buffs and debuffs, etc) |
| 02:16.56 | kd3 | get a (nearly) standalone mod like ct_buffs and disable x-perl's display? |
| 02:17.04 | Torhal | Daede: You try the PitBull4 alpha builds? |
| 02:17.06 | Daede | nah tried that |
| 02:17.09 | Tem | kd3, Solution: Don't use curse client |
| 02:17.30 | Daede | doesnt do the double sized self buffs and stuff, or if it does the method of doingit is not obvious in the addons settings |
| 02:17.32 | Tem | if an addon you use isn't on curse, find an alternative or find out how much you miss that addon |
| 02:17.39 | kd3 | now, that'd make sense. when do I ever make sense? |
| 02:17.42 | Tem | er, isn't on wowi |
| 02:18.22 | Daede | Torhal: you got a SS of the PB4a stuff? like how it sets up the buffs and what not? |
| 02:20.15 | Torhal | Daede: No, but it's pretty intuitive. The goal of configuration for PB4 was simplicity - take 10 minutes to do what it took 2 hours to do in PB3 |
| 02:20.57 | Daede | i never used PB at all, as i said, the frame buffs have kept me using xperl, so i dont really know what setting pitbull up is like |
| 02:21.37 | WobWork | It only took four versions =\ |
| 02:21.46 | Daede | i know that i gave spartanui+SBF a try and i hated the way SBF worked |
| 02:23.18 | Shirik | YES! |
| 02:23.24 | Shirik | I found a reason to use it! |
| 02:23.38 | Daede | o.O |
| 02:23.46 | Torhal | Shirik: And "it" is...? |
| 02:23.50 | Daede | ~emulate daede |
| 02:23.51 | purl | ACTION farted.. |
| 02:23.51 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/108309 |
| 02:23.55 | Daede | purl say excuse me |
| 02:23.56 | purl | excuse me |
| 02:24.00 | Daede | ~botsnack |
| 02:24.00 | purl | aw, gee, Daede |
| 02:24.26 | haste | wth Shirik |
| 02:24.32 | Shirik | ^ email validation regex |
| 02:24.41 | haste | that I understood actually |
| 02:24.45 | Daede | lol |
| 02:24.48 | haste | reminds me of the "official" one :p |
| 02:25.01 | kd3 | I hate overly complicated regexes |
| 02:25.10 | Daede | that is the single largest regex filter ever conceived |
| 02:25.13 | Shirik | that regex is RFC822 compliant |
| 02:26.10 | Daede | how long did that take you to write and test? |
| 02:26.17 | Daede | regex is like kryptonite for me |
| 02:26.18 | Shirik | Hell no I didn't write that |
| 02:26.20 | Daede | i hate that shit |
| 02:26.25 | Daede | oh lol |
| 02:27.05 | Daede | Torhal |
| 02:27.14 | Daede | where can I take a look at PB4a? |
| 02:27.33 | Daede | and can i put a lien on your first born in case it sucks? |
| 02:29.02 | Torhal | Daede: Nah. He'd just talk your head off. |
| 02:29.07 | Torhal | Daede: http://www.wowace.com/projects/pitbull4/ |
| 02:29.29 | Daede | yeah i found it. not a single screenshot and the word alpha scares the shit out of me so i think ill hold off on it |
| 02:29.33 | Daede | but thanks :) |
| 02:29.40 | Daede | my first born is rather chatty, as well |
| 02:29.51 | kd3 | ho... he's using ace3 instead of rock? |
| 02:29.56 | Torhal | Mmmkay. All you need to do is disable your current unitframes addon, install PB4, and if it sucks delete its folder |
| 02:30.00 | Torhal | Fairly painless. |
| 02:30.06 | Torhal | kd3: Yup |
| 02:30.11 | Torhal | Rock has been dead awhile. |
| 02:33.29 | Daede | i thought he just made a new movie... |
| 02:34.35 | WobWork | Did it have kids in it? |
| 02:34.38 | WobWork | or animals? |
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| 02:39.09 | Thunder_Child | Daede, it works just fine |
| 02:40.38 | Daede | does it have any built in presets or do i really need to go through 60 pages of options fiddling with it>? |
| 02:41.22 | Thunder_Child | Daede, didnt you read the description 60 was replaced with 5-10 |
| 02:41.51 | Daede | we must be looking at different pitbulls cuz this is fairly overwhelming.. not really any worse than xperl tho |
| 02:42.13 | Corrodias | xperl wasn't very confusing at all... in 2.4 anyway |
| 02:42.48 | Daede | not confusing, just has a ton of options..which i like..but no presets (same as this i guess) |
| 02:42.53 | Daede | ill mess with it :) |
| 02:43.04 | Corrodias | well, there's the default settings. that's kinda like a preset. |
| 02:43.09 | Thunder_Child | you make your own presets |
| 02:43.33 | Corrodias | i think the point of presets is just to show off what the thing can do and give suggestions for how things can look together |
| 02:43.45 | Daede | yeah i agree |
| 02:43.55 | Daede | ive seen some pretty badass pitbull layouts |
| 02:44.02 | Daede | and have no clue how to make it happen heh |
| 02:51.52 | spode | I'm loving Sage Unitframes. Just the 'simple, a bit configurable and userfriendly' unitframes I always wanted :p |
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| 02:53.31 | Daede | Torhal: Im in the config screen, in the layout editor, and I can't find any options to fiddle with the buffs.. am I missing the config or is it just not added in yet? |
| 02:56.31 | Torhal | Daede: It's called "Auras" |
| 02:56.43 | Daede | haha |
| 02:56.44 | Daede | ty |
| 02:56.46 | Torhal | np |
| 02:56.50 | Daede | never would have guessed that |
| 02:57.00 | Torhal | That's the official 3.0 term |
| 02:57.01 | Torhal | Heh |
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| 03:01.26 | jnwhiteh | !addon Sage |
| 03:01.29 | lua_bot | Found 46 addon results for 'Sage': http://is.gd/jz9G |
| 03:02.46 | cbreak | !addon addon |
| 03:02.49 | lua_bot | Found 300 addon results for 'addon': http://is.gd/jz9X |
| 03:05.28 | Thunder_Child | !addon stupid |
| 03:05.30 | lua_bot | Found 46 addon results for 'stupid': http://is.gd/jzat |
| 03:05.37 | Tekkub | !addon the |
| 03:05.39 | lua_bot | Found 300 addon results for 'the': http://is.gd/jzau |
| 03:05.45 | mikma | !addon |
| 03:05.48 | Tekkub | 300 must be the limit |
| 03:13.08 | WobWork | Hm |
| 03:13.22 | WobWork | A corrupt anvil texture has rendered my install "seriously corrupted" |
| 03:13.30 | WobWork | and I've had to revert to a previous patch |
| 03:13.32 | WobWork | >< |
| 03:13.35 | Daede | wow |
| 03:13.48 | Daede | after looking at pitbull i will never complain about xperl being a pain to setup again |
| 03:13.53 | WobWork | heheh |
| 03:14.04 | Corrodias | :D |
| 03:14.20 | Daede | i just wish i could make xperl look different :\ |
| 03:15.06 | Corrodias | it's true that some stylistic elements cannot be changed |
| 03:15.22 | Corrodias | most of it can be altered in some minor way at least |
| 03:15.26 | Thunder_Child | pfft, pitbull is easy to set up |
| 03:15.42 | Thunder_Child | you want hard/fun, go do discord unit frames |
| 03:15.49 | Daede | NOTY |
| 03:16.01 | Thunder_Child | i still like them |
| 03:16.03 | Daede | heard horror stories about it |
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| 03:21.27 | Daede | ok, here's what im rockin right now.. opinions? |
| 03:21.28 | Daede | http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5153/wowscrnshot021009205344xt1.jpg |
| 03:22.01 | Hasbro | MY MOTHER?? |
| 03:22.20 | Corrodias | not bad. for raid frames i would give my left nut, and maybe my right one too, for PerfectRaid. |
| 03:23.08 | Daede | it might sound stupid, but the only reason i stick with xperl for raid frames is |
| 03:23.13 | Hasbro | That dragon looks like ass. |
| 03:23.21 | Hasbro | Looks like the shit I just took tbh. |
| 03:23.26 | Hasbro | sorry |
| 03:23.29 | Hasbro | on your frame |
| 03:23.30 | Daede | i can right click a raid frame and add someone to ORAs MT window, which grid doesnt allow |
| 03:23.33 | Hasbro | bottom right portion |
| 03:23.40 | Hasbro | Malygos's frame |
| 03:23.55 | Corrodias | perfectraid managed to display so much info in a very little amount of space. it was sweet. |
| 03:24.21 | Daede | i wish grid allowed that |
| 03:24.28 | Daede | id stop using xperls raid frames pretty quick |
| 03:24.51 | Hasbro | I came pretty quick. |
| 03:24.54 | Corrodias | i don't know how i used the MT window... i know i did occasionally |
| 03:25.24 | Daede | yeah in xperl, you just right click a frame and theres an option if you have assist to add them to the mt list in whichever position |
| 03:28.04 | Corrodias | PR might have had that. that'd make sense. |
| 03:28.21 | Daede | i have often wondered why grid does not |
| 03:28.35 | Daede | silly for a raid frames addon to not interact with other raid addons *shrug* |
| 03:28.55 | Tem | Daede, grid expects you to set the right click action to be something else |
| 03:29.02 | Tem | that's not a failing imo |
| 03:29.35 | Tem | Also, expecting "raid addons to interact with other raid addons" is an amazingly dense statement. |
| 03:30.04 | Tem | there are too many raid addons to expect every one of those authors to add support for every other raid addon |
| 03:31.25 | Daede | so a standard raid frames addon shouldnt interact by default with other addons that are considered to be standard for raiding (like raidassist) THATs what sounds pretty dense to me |
| 03:31.29 | Corrodias | there are a few popular features they might support |
| 03:31.53 | Tekkub | "standard for raiding"? |
| 03:31.57 | Daede | yeah |
| 03:32.02 | Tekkub | what is this, WoW classic |
| 03:32.14 | Tem | s/ing/es/ |
| 03:32.21 | Daede | CT_RaidAssist set the standard like 4 years ago and people have been using it or some variation of it ever since |
| 03:32.41 | Tem | I haven't used CTRA since BWL |
| 03:32.49 | Daede | to not build in functional compatibility for something like that is pretty dumb |
| 03:32.55 | Daede | yeah well lots of people do |
| 03:32.58 | Tem | Tekkub, you can only do that if you update Engravings |
| 03:33.13 | Tekkub | I haven't ran into anyone that uses CTRA in... uh... since TBC came out? |
| 03:33.19 | Daede | xperl :) |
| 03:33.23 | Daede | meh |
| 03:33.26 | Tem | ew |
| 03:33.27 | Daede | tons of guilds use it |
| 03:33.29 | Daede | we do |
| 03:33.31 | End | I knew a few people who used CTRA in TBC o_O |
| 03:33.36 | Daede | so do a lot of the better guilds on our realm |
| 03:33.36 | Tem | ugliest unit frame of all time |
| 03:33.48 | Daede | yeah i use oRA2 |
| 03:33.55 | Tekkub | that's not CTRA |
| 03:33.56 | Daede | it does the things i need it to |
| 03:34.01 | Daede | its CTRA compatible |
| 03:34.07 | Corrodias | i liked xperl, and we used one of the *RA addons while raiding. |
| 03:34.20 | Corrodias | since i have the best taste in UI out of anybody here, they hereby win. |
| 03:34.26 | Tekkub | I don't know anyone that uses oRA either :P |
| 03:34.45 | Daede | i dont know many raiders that DONT use either ora or ctra |
| 03:34.53 | Tem | <- Yo |
| 03:34.55 | End | I use oRa2, but only for doing raid invites these days |
| 03:35.13 | Corrodias | i'm not sure what those addons -do-, actually |
| 03:35.20 | Corrodias | what's their function? |
| 03:35.20 | Tekkub | what was the whole point of this random uninformed rant anyway? |
| 03:35.35 | Tekkub | they filled gaps in blizzy's raid ui |
| 03:35.36 | Daede | point is, CTRA is pretty widely accepted as a standard raiding tool, and for a raid frame to be built with no support for easily setting/unsetting its options is kinda silly |
| 03:35.39 | Corrodias | besides reporting overall durability to the raid leader |
| 03:35.43 | Tem | probably to piss me off so I wouldn't get up and get the food I wanted, Tek |
| 03:36.03 | End | CTRA isn't standard anymore :P |
| 03:36.06 | Tekkub | raid frames are built to support blizzard's shit because it's the only way for secure shit to work |
| 03:36.15 | Daede | sure it is, tons of people still use it or some variation of it |
| 03:36.31 | End | less than a 1/3 of my raid uses one of the two |
| 03:36.40 | Daede | more than 2/3 of mine does |
| 03:36.46 | Corrodias | i can't speak for the 3.0 crowd, but we probably would have dropped it soon |
| 03:36.49 | Tekkub | less that none of mine does |
| 03:36.51 | Tekkub | I WIN! |
| 03:36.54 | Daede | =P |
| 03:37.24 | Daede | maybe ill put a feature request in with the grid guys |
| 03:37.25 | Tekkub | there's nothing for raid frames to "support" anyway |
| 03:37.59 | Daede | Tekkub: install xperl, join a raid, get assist, and right click a raid frame. you get the "Add to MT" option |
| 03:38.16 | Tem | who even uses that crap anymore? |
| 03:38.18 | Daede | how that works i dont know but it tells CTRA (or ORa) to set that eprson in an MT position |
| 03:38.22 | End | isn't MT/MA part of the blizzard stuff now? |
| 03:38.25 | Tekkub | default UI have MT and MA, and *boggle* if you use it secure actions work |
| 03:38.31 | Tem | it is |
| 03:38.39 | Daede | heh |
| 03:38.42 | Daede | since when? |
| 03:38.45 | Tekkub | which brings me back to, there's nothing to support, use the default ui |
| 03:38.47 | End | a while now |
| 03:38.48 | kd3 | 2.x? |
| 03:38.51 | Tekkub | since like 2 years ago |
| 03:39.17 | Corrodias | it's easy not to notice new features in the Blizzard UI when you've been using an addon for it forever |
| 03:39.17 | Daede | how do you get the default MT/OT window to pop using the blizzard stuff? i ahevnt even seen the default blizz UI in over ayear |
| 03:39.32 | Tekkub | CTRA brought 3 big things... MT/MA, "Raid Say" and ready check |
| 03:39.33 | End | drag out from the tabs in the raid panel |
| 03:39.40 | Tekkub | all of which was put in the default UI long ago |
| 03:39.41 | End | it has all the class pullouts |
| 03:39.51 | End | and below the class pullouts is the pet, MT and MA pullouts |
| 03:40.04 | Tekkub | the rest of CTRA were a bunch of comm modules and a unitframe set that should have been a completely separate addon |
| 03:40.22 | Daede | yeah but i dont want a class pullout. not every dk/warrior in my raid is a tank.. thats why i like ora i can specifically set the tanks.. xperl had a 'tank window' like that and it sucked for just that reason |
| 03:40.37 | End | did you read what I just wrote? |
| 03:40.41 | Tekkub | wow you don't listen |
| 03:40.44 | Daede | oh ok |
| 03:40.50 | Daede | lemme disable some stuff and try it |
| 03:41.26 | Daede | wow you just like to be a dick, dont you? keep being condescending and you're hitting the ignore list |
| 03:41.31 | Corrodias | he may have started typing before that was there |
| 03:41.41 | Tekkub | I have only one response to this pointless conversation... http://pichaus.com/facepalm-double-picard-@151bc57ef87ce5549aadb0147532ee6a/ |
| 03:41.56 | Daede | and i have a response to you, welcome to ignore, dickhead |
| 03:42.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Daede: if you actually read, and weren't a moron, we wouldn't have to be condescending |
| 03:42.06 | Tekkub | oh noes |
| 03:42.06 | Daede | there, much better |
| 03:42.11 | Tekkub | I like dickhead! |
| 03:42.15 | Corrodias | now he's in trouble! |
| 03:42.22 | Daede | i hate pricks |
| 03:42.26 | Tekkub | I love pricks |
| 03:42.30 | Thunder_Child | i wish i could kick people in this channel |
| 03:42.31 | Tekkub | they taste so good! |
| 03:42.35 | Daede | people like that should sit on hand grenades |
| 03:42.41 | NightHawkTheSane | you must hate yourself |
| 03:42.43 | End | o_O |
| 03:42.59 | NightHawkTheSane | its okay though, thats perfectly normal |
| 03:43.10 | Corrodias | i'm a self-hating pricklicker |
| 03:43.11 | Tekkub | I wonder if we can get him to ignore the whole channel |
| 03:43.22 | Daede | now thats a powerful statement |
| 03:43.28 | Corrodias | you don't know me. >:o |
| 03:43.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: working on it. :) |
| 03:43.41 | Thunder_Child | we are not that lucky Tekkub |
| 03:43.58 | Tekkub | if you're a dickhead, I'll like you more |
| 03:44.11 | End | like=lick? |
| 03:44.15 | Tekkub | that too |
| 03:44.16 | Corrodias | you should give the shaft some attention too |
| 03:44.38 | WobWork | You're talkin about Shaft? |
| 03:44.40 | Tekkub | but he didn't say you were a dickshaft |
| 03:44.46 | Thunder_Child | even you have been shafted Corrodias |
| 03:44.48 | WobWork | I can dig it |
| 03:45.02 | Tekkub | in soviet russia, CTRA shafts you! |
| 03:45.04 | Corrodias | *_* it's what i've always wanted |
| 03:46.01 | Daede | well, I've gotten some useful information tonight. thank you all very much for your input. I haven't looked at the default UI in so long I actually had no idea that bliz implemented MT/OT technology |
| 03:46.24 | Tekkub | and that is where you failed misserably |
| 03:46.48 | NightHawkTheSane | reading patch notes and/or actually looking at your UI is a useful thing to do once or twice a year |
| 03:46.54 | Daede | If you guys want some advice on running a support channel, that dickhead Tekkub is very counterproductive on that front, you should really dump him. Nobody coming in for help wants to be condescended to by some little fuckwith with a + by his name |
| 03:47.02 | Tekkub | lol |
| 03:47.08 | Tekkub | can I quote that? |
| 03:47.10 | Corrodias | i dunno, i actually preferred to use addons for just about everything |
| 03:47.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: yep :) |
| 03:47.14 | Daede | fuckwit* sorry |
| 03:47.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: i find the irony... amusing. |
| 03:47.25 | Tekkub | the proper term is fucksmedge |
| 03:47.34 | Tekkub | and yours is soo omuch longer |
| 03:47.35 | Daede | probably lives in his mothers basement :) |
| 03:47.39 | Thunder_Child | there is no proper term Tekkub |
| 03:47.48 | Thunder_Child | are you sure we cant ban him? |
| 03:47.57 | Tekkub | someone should :) |
| 03:48.03 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, if we ban him, he won't come back for more entertainment |
| 03:48.13 | Thunder_Child | thats not entertaining |
| 03:48.18 | Tekkub | it wouldn't be a big loss |
| 03:48.38 | Tem | For the record, this isn't a support channel for end users |
| 03:48.41 | Tekkub | it's not like he wasn't "counterproductive" |
| 03:48.47 | Tekkub | DING DING DING |
| 03:48.51 | Tekkub | Tem wins |
| 03:48.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: he left, i think the rest of us are aware :P |
| 03:49.00 | Tekkub | and his prize.... |
| 03:49.01 | Thunder_Child | he never said end users |
| 03:49.09 | Tekkub | A DICKHEAD! |
| 03:49.14 | Corrodias | mmm ;d |
| 03:49.16 | Tekkub | he WAS the end user |
| 03:49.18 | End | he said "as a end user" once, didn't he? |
| 03:49.35 | Thunder_Child | not that i noticed |
| 03:49.37 | WobWork | a few tiems |
| 03:49.58 | Thunder_Child | meh, she is to nice |
| 03:50.39 | Tekkub | hence the need for bribery |
| 03:50.49 | Thunder_Child | i mean even with bribery |
| 03:50.50 | Tekkub | I'm not saying she's too nice, I'm saying she's cheap |
| 03:51.09 | Seerah | hey! |
| 03:51.10 | NightHawkTheSane | she might be offended by that |
| 03:51.11 | Thunder_Child | no, i said she is too nice |
| 03:51.20 | NightHawkTheSane | which would probably ruin your chaces of bribing her |
| 03:51.25 | NightHawkTheSane | chances* |
| 03:51.31 | Tekkub | well at least we got her attention |
| 03:51.32 | Corrodias | not if she really -is- that cheap |
| 03:51.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: well, true |
| 03:51.41 | Tekkub | now then, Seerah, I'd like to buy a ban |
| 03:51.44 | Seerah | was trying to scroll up :P |
| 03:51.53 | Thunder_Child | scroll faster |
| 03:51.55 | Tekkub | he insulted this channel's holy institution of tekkub |
| 03:51.59 | NightHawkTheSane | i prefer not to speculate on the relative cost of Seerah |
| 03:52.14 | Tekkub | he said I was only the head of a dick and not the whole thing |
| 03:52.17 | NightHawkTheSane | don't you mean unholy? |
| 03:52.21 | Tekkub | come on, I'm mostly balls here |
| 03:52.27 | kd3 | 123456 |
| 03:52.39 | Tekkub | I got 666566 the other day |
| 03:52.47 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: photo that shit. :P |
| 03:52.55 | kd3 | I made sure the 30s timer was up... >.> |
| 03:53.29 | End | tough luck, I know the next number in the series! |
| 03:53.31 | End | right? |
| 03:53.55 | Tekkub | Seerah, want the gist of it, he was a douch with 2yo addons wanting help and then got all pissy when it was exposed that he didn't know how to use the default UI |
| 03:54.42 | Thunder_Child | plus some vrebal encourgament from us |
| 03:54.49 | Thunder_Child | verbal* |
| 03:54.50 | WobWork | He wanted customer service |
| 03:54.53 | Tekkub | and my patented Picard double-faceplam sent him over the edge |
| 03:54.53 | WobWork | and got Tekkub |
| 03:55.00 | End | You might have been a little harsh with him, but OTOH, he was really irritating me |
| 03:55.13 | Tekkub | me, harsh, never |
| 03:55.19 | End | lol |
| 03:55.23 | Tekkub | I was only The Truth with him |
| 03:55.32 | Tekkub | it's not my fault the truth was harsh |
| 03:58.29 | *** join/#wowuidev PProvost (n=PProvost@WoWUIDev/WAU/Admin/Pprovost) |
| 03:58.41 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.20 | Thunder_Child | it's not the truth Tekkub, it's you |
| 04:01.07 | Tekkub | all I did was a Picard double facepalm! |
| 04:01.16 | Tekkub | I didn't even tell him he was a fucksmudge |
| 04:01.23 | Tekkub | well, not until he wasn't listening |
| 04:01.29 | Thunder_Child | only because you...yes |
| 04:01.33 | Seerah | okay, I'm finished reading :) |
| 04:01.57 | Thunder_Child | if you ban him Shirik is going to be annoyed he didnt have any fun |
| 04:02.08 | Seerah | If he hadn't left and I was quicker on the draw, I would have kicked him. But since he left already, and it didn't seem to get too out of hand (you guys were taking part, too), I won't ban |
| 04:02.08 | Shirik | who? |
| 04:02.33 | Thunder_Child | told you Tekkub |
| 04:02.48 | Seerah | if it happens again, though, you have my permission to ban, Shirik :) |
| 04:02.56 | Shirik | what happens |
| 04:02.57 | Tekkub | I'll give you a kitten |
| 04:02.58 | Seerah | NOTE THE COMMA IN THAT SENTENSE :P |
| 04:03.04 | Seerah | god, I can't spell |
| 04:03.12 | Seerah | hubby's allergic to kittens :( :( |
| 04:03.13 | Shirik | I'm missing something here |
| 04:03.14 | Thunder_Child | damit Seerah, dont take our fun awau |
| 04:03.16 | Thunder_Child | away* |
| 04:03.22 | Thunder_Child | scroll up Shirik |
| 04:03.33 | Shirik | I did; I don't see anything |
| 04:03.49 | Thunder_Child | farther |
| 04:04.00 | Shirik | Well |
| 04:04.07 | Shirik | Seerah was trying to remove my chances to ban |
| 04:04.07 | Shirik | so |
| 04:04.16 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b Seerah!*@*] by Shirik |
| 04:04.18 | Shirik | there we go |
| 04:04.19 | Shirik | I'm satisfied now |
| 04:04.21 | ScytheBlade1 | oh wow |
| 04:04.21 | ScytheBlade1 | 22:46 < Daede> If you guys want some advice on running a support channel, that dickhead Tekkub is very counterproductive on that front, you should really dump him. Nobody coming in for help wants to be condescended to by some little fuckwith with a + by his name |
| 04:04.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a compliment on high |
| 04:04.26 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b Daede!*@*] by Seerah |
| 04:04.48 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b Daede!*@*] by Seerah |
| 04:04.50 | Tekkub | hardly |
| 04:04.51 | Seerah | :) |
| 04:04.58 | Shirik | er |
| 04:05.00 | Tekkub | 1) not little, and you know that |
| 04:05.04 | Shirik | Seerah's banned, and it has no impact |
| 04:05.05 | Shirik | wtf |
| 04:05.12 | Tekkub | 2) bollocks would have been a complement :) |
| 04:05.15 | Seerah | rofl |
| 04:05.19 | ScytheBlade1 | -b+q |
| 04:05.25 | ScytheBlade1 | +q should work |
| 04:05.26 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Shirik!n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-44-49.mem.bellsouth.net] by Seerah (Seerah) |
| 04:05.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=Shirik@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 04:05.30 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 04:05.42 | Thunder_Child | Seerah's admin > Shirik's admin |
| 04:05.51 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b Seerah!*@*] by Shirik |
| 04:06.02 | Seerah | :) |
| 04:06.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 04:11.53 | Torhal | Tekkub: You shouldn't just quote it, you should make that your sig. |
| 04:17.06 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14990447616&sid=1 |
| 04:17.42 | bleeter | (old hands will be bored by thread, newbies entertained) |
| 04:19.09 | bleeter | hah, and someone else asking how he can restore his wintersabre rep to neutral >< |
| 04:19.43 | Corrodias | what. |
| 04:19.55 | WobWork | Reythur is totally a bot |
| 04:20.27 | Tem | best bike lane ever |
| 04:20.27 | Tem | http://pichaus.com/wtf-bike-holland-funny-@67a142eccac0086b96b6b9afb9882f4a/ |
| 04:20.28 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:20.51 | bleeter | Corrodias: someone smacked over the wintersabre guys before realising later he didn't want to be hated by them. unfortunately, there's no way to reverse bad wintersabre rep |
| 04:21.02 | Corrodias | you can attack them? wow |
| 04:21.10 | Corrodias | what a bad idea |
| 04:21.27 | bleeter | story went that he did it some time ago.. /shrug |
| 04:21.37 | bleeter | so maybe a specialist could do something if they're unattackable now |
| 04:30.24 | Tekkub | too wide |
| 04:31.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Tewan (n=tewan@ppp-70-253-67-90.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 04:34.14 | bleeter | Tekkub: some creative ellipsis usage give... |
| 04:34.18 | bleeter | "... some advice ... that (moron) Tekkub is very counterproductive on that front you should really dump him. Nobody coming in for help wants to be condescended to by some little (idiot) a + by his name" |
| 04:34.37 | bleeter | though I think I've missed a 'with'... :/ |
| 04:34.53 | bleeter | yar.. damnit |
| 04:35.04 | bleeter | if you take out the brackets it fits |
| 04:35.34 | Thunder_Child | ~fail bleeter |
| 04:35.35 | purl | bleeter, you Fail! |
| 04:35.44 | Seerah | :) |
| 04:36.20 | bleeter | oh no, 'with' still won't fit by removing brackets because it's 5 chars (letters + space) hmm |
| 04:36.33 | bleeter | UTF ellipsiseses to the rescue? |
| 04:36.36 | Seerah | how about "you should really dump [Tekkub]. Nobody coming in for help wants to be condescended to by some little fuckwith with a + by his name" |
| 04:36.49 | Seerah | oops - forgot to censor :P |
| 04:36.56 | Tekkub | If you guys want some ... dickhead Tekkub is very ...productive on that front, you should really ... coming in ... some little fuck... |
| 04:36.57 | kd3 | what is this "censor"? |
| 04:36.58 | bleeter | Seerah: in my best monty python singing voice, 'you can't say fuckwit on the forums' |
| 04:37.06 | kd3 | ahaha |
| 04:37.11 | Tekkub | wait needs more |
| 04:37.17 | bleeter | Tekkub: hehe |
| 04:37.23 | Tekkub | If you guys want some ... dickhead Tekkub is very ...productive on that front, you should really ... fuck... |
| 04:37.26 | Tekkub | perfect! |
| 04:37.31 | Seerah | rofl |
| 04:37.54 | Tekkub | new wowace siggie! |
| 04:37.58 | Tekkub | *pokes Kaelten|away |
| 04:38.14 | kd3 | damn you, give me a perma-peddle! |
| 04:38.44 | Tekkub | I've had one of tose since back when CTRA was "totally the stanrdard" |
| 04:39.07 | Tekkub | the extra 'r' is for "retard"! |
| 04:39.19 | Seerah | is that like s-m-r-t? |
| 04:39.48 | Tekkub | I almost got new pajamapants that had that on them |
| 04:39.59 | Seerah | granted, if you didn't know much about addons and weren't up to speed on what was out there, and just went with your guild (which was also not up to speed and still used ctra) then... |
| 04:39.59 | Codayus_ | I got a perma peddle during the first valentines event, when the bag it came in was boe but on a timer. I couldn't decide which character to give it to for so long that the timer ran out and I lost it. :-/ |
| 04:40.08 | Codayus_ | Now I can't get a perma-peddle. QQ. |
| 04:40.48 | Tekkub | Seerah, then you're a fucking sheep, fuck you |
| 04:41.04 | Seerah | I didn't realize you were into me, tek |
| 04:41.22 | Tekkub | all I said was I was into sheep |
| 04:45.42 | kd3 | ugh. why am I up? can't even see straight |
| 04:49.41 | Seerah | residual effects from ^^? |
| 04:49.59 | kd3 | lol. too much work, not enough sleep |
| 04:54.41 | Torhal | Seerah: You're a sheep with kung-fu grip? Whoah. |
| 04:54.56 | Seerah | no, panda |
| 04:55.17 | Seerah | er... wait |
| 04:55.19 | Torhal | Tekkub said you were a sheep |
| 04:55.21 | Torhal | :D |
| 04:55.52 | Seerah | ~lart Torhal |
| 04:55.52 | purl | stuffs Torhal into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 04:57.19 | Tem | ugh |
| 04:58.06 | Tem | the "I have good arena ratings therfore you scrubs can't have an opinion (even though it's not an opinion at all)" attitude wears on my patience |
| 04:58.27 | Tem | and people ask me why I don't go to the official ui boards any more |
| 04:58.38 | Tem | I'm there for 5 minutes and I already want to bash someone in the skull |
| 04:59.53 | mikma | oh lart |
| 05:00.10 | Seerah | the northrend army is racist! "[10:57] Counselor Talbot says: Our troops, general, consist mostly of villagers and peasants. Good men, but not quite rid of the prejudices and superstitions of their upbringing. They're not ready to fight alongside our more exotic allies." |
| 05:00.18 | mikma | i saw 1044 2vs2 rating today |
| 05:04.38 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/why_so_serious3.jpg |
| 05:04.47 | mikma | imho, stupid. |
| 05:05.06 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly| (n=chatzill@66-169-186-78.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 05:05.57 | Syzgyn | wtf? |
| 05:07.37 | Thunder_Child | replace stupid with very stupid |
| 05:08.22 | |Jelly| | http://www.break.com/index/travis-pastrana-skydives-without-parachute.html Not sure what you're talking about, but I think this video will work too. |
| 05:08.24 | mikma | if you wonder, they are celebrating that their exams are over |
| 05:09.01 | Thunder_Child | makes sense mikma, do something so very stupid as relaxation |
| 05:09.05 | End | man, AV needs tenacity |
| 05:09.08 | mikma | they have been stidying for 4-5 and now they can study more before they go work at the local store |
| 05:09.18 | End | it's even more unbalanced than wintergrasp normally is |
| 05:09.27 | mikma | 4-5 years* |
| 05:10.08 | Thunder_Child | i need to go try out wintergrasp |
| 05:10.21 | End | have you done SotA? |
| 05:10.46 | Thunder_Child | since i dont know what that is i would say no |
| 05:11.00 | End | strand of the ancients |
| 05:11.15 | Thunder_Child | i dont think so |
| 05:11.25 | End | well, the two are very similar |
| 05:11.51 | End | you have vehicles and assault/defend a fortress |
| 05:11.58 | Tem | except SotA isn't gay |
| 05:13.02 | Syzgyn | |Jelly|: Why anyone would do that is beyond me, but cool |
| 05:13.15 | mikma | sota is actually quite cool |
| 05:13.36 | mikma | and the word "sota" means "war" in finnish =D |
| 05:14.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Lothaer (n=jamiecoo@115-166-32-242.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 05:14.38 | Lothaer | sup guys |
| 05:16.21 | Corrodias | greetings |
| 05:16.47 | Lothaer | we some in peace |
| 05:17.46 | bleeter | shoot to kill |
| 05:17.49 | bleeter | scotty beam me up |
| 05:18.11 | Lothaer | live long and prosper |
| 05:18.37 | Lothaer | VI |
| 05:18.40 | Tem | Engage |
| 05:19.12 | bleeter | ye cannae break t' lawz of fizziks |
| 05:19.39 | Lothaer | ive givin 'er all she's got capin |
| 05:20.31 | Lothaer | captains log stardate 5443.1 |
| 05:20.58 | mikma | "i got some from hot alien babe" |
| 05:21.01 | Lothaer | failed your coyage is yes |
| 05:21.28 | Tem | THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS |
| 05:21.57 | Lothaer | eeeee teeee phone home |
| 05:22.51 | Lothaer | there's is a bigger mystery than the origin of space |
| 05:23.05 | Lothaer | ... Michael Jackson's original skin colour |
| 05:23.07 | Tem | their's |
| 05:23.35 | Lothaer | who died and made your the grammer police |
| 05:23.51 | mikma | wobin |
| 05:23.58 | Tem | mixing up homophones makes me angry |
| 05:24.07 | Lothaer | HEY |
| 05:24.14 | Lothaer | who you callin a homophone? |
| 05:24.21 | Tem | there their they're |
| 05:24.22 | mikma | yes, homo |
| 05:24.24 | Tem | too to two |
| 05:24.30 | Tem | your you're |
| 05:24.37 | mikma | NO U |
| 05:24.39 | bleeter | fiery the angels rose, and as they rose deep thunder roll'd. |
| 05:24.40 | Lothaer | weather, whether wether |
| 05:24.42 | Tem | there's others, but those 3 piss me off the most |
| 05:24.50 | bleeter | around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc. |
| 05:24.58 | Tem | oh its it's |
| 05:25.08 | bleeter | and Boston's angel cried aloud as they flew thro' the dark night. |
| 05:26.22 | Tem | I think I shall make a toon named Adolfgrammar and be the grammar nazi in trade chat for an hour |
| 05:26.26 | Tem | that'll take the edge off |
| 05:26.30 | Lothaer | wear is the wether comming from? it was comming from over their too hours ago |
| 05:26.44 | bleeter | Lófaszt, nehogy már |
| 05:27.50 | Lothaer | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9979-ComeHere.html |
| 05:29.04 | bleeter | Lothaer: are the samples from 'that' album? |
| 05:29.20 | Lothaer | nope |
| 05:29.21 | Lothaer | from the game |
| 05:29.34 | Lothaer | so mine sounds good unlike the others |
| 05:29.38 | Lothaer | and mine was first :D |
| 05:29.39 | bleeter | oh, I saw scorpion and started thinking euro-metal ;) |
| 05:29.58 | Lothaer | the mortal kombat album? |
| 05:30.57 | bleeter | nah, german band. admittedly the apostrophe is in the wrong place on that addon to be that band, but.. one can never be too sure with some of these descriptions ;) |
| 05:31.19 | Zyndrome | http://www.riktigafjall.se/video/showtime.html , oh wow that's horrible |
| 05:31.27 | Lothaer | the mod called GetOverHere uses some sound clips from the Mortal Kombat Album but mines from the game :D |
| 05:31.43 | Lothaer | OMG HACKS |
| 05:31.43 | Lothaer | lol |
| 05:32.19 | Lothaer | mu ears are bleeding |
| 05:32.43 | mikma | lothaer: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/et.jpg |
| 05:33.20 | Corrodias | well, it doesn't vibrate |
| 05:34.14 | WobWork | I died? |
| 05:34.20 | WobWork | Oh |
| 05:34.34 | WobWork | well, if I do die, I nominate Tem to be the Grammar Police |
| 05:34.46 | Lothaer | lol |
| 05:35.08 | Lothaer | i think i scared tem with my really bad grammer sentence mwahahaha |
| 05:35.45 | Lothaer | wear is the wether comming from? it was comming from over their too hours ago |
| 05:36.18 | Tem | Lothaer, please join a channel I have ops in so I can kick you |
| 05:36.59 | Lothaer | like? |
| 05:37.25 | Tem | a /whois would tell you |
| 05:37.31 | Lothaer | Im sorry Tem, please forgive my bad grammer. |
| 05:37.31 | Lothaer | lol |
| 05:37.38 | Zootfizzle | NOOO |
| 05:38.03 | Corrodias | is it bad grammar to choose the wrong words? |
| 05:38.18 | Tem | probably? |
| 05:38.20 | bleeter | Lothaer: yaw grammar iz fyn tem needz 2 l2reed |
| 05:38.23 | Tem | it still bothers me |
| 05:38.32 | Tem | bleeter, what language is that? |
| 05:38.33 | bleeter | *grammer... DAMM IT |
| 05:38.43 | Tem | holy shit |
| 05:38.45 | Tem | it was english |
| 05:38.50 | Zootfizzle | No, but he left out some periods, neglected a few capital letters, and failed to insert an apostrophe, those were all grammatical errors. |
| 05:38.53 | bleeter | Tem: what other language do I speak, apart from TotalCrap? ;) |
| 05:39.03 | Lothaer | Eye Yam 1337 |
| 05:39.08 | Zyndrome | http://www.walyou.com/blog/2009/02/10/nsfw-atari-joydick-controller/ |
| 05:39.12 | Zyndrome | ._. |
| 05:39.41 | Lothaer | .... im not even gonna click that link |
| 05:40.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Dolby (n=Dolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby) |
| 05:40.31 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Dolby] by ChanServ |
| 05:44.08 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 05:44.16 | Thunder_Child | i think Tekkub needs to see that |
| 05:44.36 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/signlanguage/4246536/Sign-language-week-32.html |
| 05:46.49 | Thunder_Child | "IM IN YOUR GAME STEALING YOUR GOLD TO BREAD MORE WOW ACCOUNTS" >.< |
| 05:55.01 | WobWork | I like "Do Not Grab Hamish By The Horns" |
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| 06:07.42 | bleeter | WobWork: lol... go to smh.com.au and scroll down to Sport. Right side, 'Waratahs off to a good start' has a great picture with it ;) |
| 06:08.32 | WobWork | head wounds always make for good stuff =P |
| 06:09.44 | bleeter | particularly in a football match =)) |
| 06:14.26 | bleeter | Tem: would this be a new one for you? 'totums' |
| 06:15.01 | Tem | Hey I'm not here right now, if you leave your name and number I'll get back to you whenever |
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| 06:23.03 | Thunder_Child | whenever is not good enough Tem |
| 06:23.21 | Tem | if you'd like to make a call, please hang up and try again |
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| 06:24.13 | End | fucking hell |
| 06:24.27 | End | I'm trying to do the wyrmrest daily in 2 minutes achievement |
| 06:24.36 | End | and 3 times now the timer hit 0 mid-dismount |
| 06:24.54 | Tekkub | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20547 |
| 06:25.06 | Tekkub | insert patented Picard doublefacepalm |
| 06:25.15 | Tekkub | oh shit, I'm being a dickhead again |
| 06:26.48 | WobWork | what kind of weird search terms are those? |
| 06:27.04 | WobWork | "test browser connections most ads site" ? |
| 06:27.09 | Tekkub | dude I search for that at least 3 times a day |
| 06:28.40 | WobWork | yes, but you're weird |
| 06:29.19 | ScytheBlade1 | annnddd I just bumped that thread |
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| 06:32.24 | Tekkub | GOD DAMNIT TEM |
| 06:32.37 | Tem | Hey I'm not here right now, if you leave your name and number I'll get back to you whenever |
| 06:33.04 | Tekkub | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=117275&posted=1#post117275 |
| 06:33.05 | Shirik | ~poke Tem |
| 06:33.06 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Tem, pokes Tem repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 06:33.13 | Tekkub | you were fucking thinking the same thing I was |
| 06:33.26 | Shirik | rofl |
| 06:33.31 | Shirik | you both posted the same image? |
| 06:33.57 | Tekkub | yes, but *I* get all dickheadery credit when that image is posted damnit |
| 06:34.04 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:34.23 | ScytheBlade1 | looooool |
| 06:35.03 | Shirik | Thing I never understood |
| 06:35.12 | Shirik | Tweeker has repeatedly said he's leaving our site forever |
| 06:35.21 | Shirik | And then he reappears a month later |
| 06:35.38 | ScytheBlade1 | BAN HIM |
| 06:35.47 | Shirik | nana |
| 06:35.49 | Shirik | I'm not mean |
| 06:35.52 | Shirik | besides we need comic relief |
| 06:36.25 | Tekkub | then wirte another version of the site with 4x the ads just for him? |
| 06:36.35 | Tem | animated |
| 06:36.40 | Tem | ads |
| 06:36.41 | Cairenn | lol, tempting |
| 06:36.42 | Tem | must |
| 06:36.43 | Tem | die |
| 06:36.46 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/70805309@N00/319047856/ |
| 06:37.12 | Shirik | btw Thunder_Child |
| 06:37.12 | Tem | I like that pic with "BUT SHE SAID SHE WAS 18!" instead |
| 06:37.17 | Shirik | I went through every episode |
| 06:37.22 | Shirik | I couldn't find it |
| 06:37.42 | WobWork | or http://bacolicio.us/http://www.wowinterface.com |
| 06:37.48 | Shirik | And I spend 5 minutes just now and find it |
| 06:37.53 | WobWork | but with ads |
| 06:38.23 | Shirik | "When The Doctor discovers evidence that his memory files may have been tampered with, it sets in motion a chain of events that leads to the recollection of the death of a crewmember, a crewmember The Doctor believes he let die." |
| 06:38.25 | Tekkub | I wonder if that "valley girl-izer" site is still around |
| 06:38.31 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Latent_Image_(episode) |
| 06:38.54 | Tekkub | iw was great with Yahoo! pages cause it added "like, oh my god," after every "!" |
| 06:39.07 | Tekkub | "Yahoo, like oh my gawd! Games" |
| 06:39.21 | Tekkub | "Yahoo, like oh my gawd! Personals" |
| 06:39.38 | Tain | I only look at sex personals. |
| 06:39.49 | Shirik | Doctor: "Huh, for me, it's rather simple." Taking two different coloured fruits, one yellow, one red: "While I'm faced with a decision my program calculates the variables, and I take action. For example, what could be simpler than a triage situation in Sickbay? Two patients, for example, both injured, for example, both in imminent danger of dying." |
| 06:40.28 | Corrodias | is there more? |
| 06:41.01 | Shirik | wtf is that site Wobin |
| 06:41.03 | Shirik | WobWork* |
| 06:41.03 | Tekkub | don't make me PPDFP you |
| 06:41.26 | Tem | pay per dicking forward pay? |
| 06:41.27 | Corrodias | what a strange place for Doctor to stop talking |
| 06:41.42 | Tekkub | Patented Picard Doublefaceplam |
| 06:42.03 | Shirik | Corrodias: Do you really want the rest? |
| 06:42.24 | Tekkub | I guess it could also be the Patented Picard Double Fisting Pump |
| 06:42.27 | Corrodias | since you put it that way, no |
| 06:42.32 | Shirik | octor, taking two identical nuts: "But, what if they have an equal chance of survival? What then? Huh, hmm? Flip a coin? Pick a card?" *Slams his fist on the desk* |
| 06:42.33 | Corrodias | not that i'll ever see it anyway |
| 06:42.46 | Shirik | ^ The nut scene |
| 06:43.11 | WobWork | Shirik: it's bacolicious |
| 06:43.15 | Tekkub | Shirik, you know that no one has any idea what you're rambling about |
| 06:43.22 | Shirik | Thunder_Child does |
| 06:43.26 | Shirik | we were looking for this episode today |
| 06:43.32 | Tekkub | Thunder_Child never counts |
| 06:43.38 | Shirik | and Adys |
| 06:44.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It feels kinda weird being logged into wowi :P |
| 06:44.38 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i know but i still say he chose in triage |
| 06:45.36 | Shirik | yah |
| 06:45.36 | Thunder_Child | thats why he had the issue |
| 06:45.36 | Shirik | I agree |
| 06:45.36 | Tem | Don't Panic Room. I won't William Hurt you. I only want your Tango and Cash. So just Pay it Foward, and we'll all be Happy Gillmore. |
| 06:45.57 | Shirik | all it says on M-A is |
| 06:45.58 | Shirik | "The Doctor decides to use a spinal shunt to isolate the patients' spinal cords from the brain stem until he can repair the cellular damage, but he doesn't have enough time to operate on both Kim and Jetal, and the procedure is too complicated to talk Paris through it. He chooses to operate on Kim. The procedure saves Kim, but Jetal dies." |
| 06:46.09 | Shirik | it _does_ say he 'chooses' but doesn't say why |
| 06:46.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That is kind of the key focal point of the episode |
| 06:46.34 | ScytheBlade1 | The doctor, as a program, cannot comprehend what and why he did that |
| 06:46.42 | ScytheBlade1 | And he spends many hours locked up "thinking" it over |
| 06:47.21 | Shirik | well I think Thunder_Child are in slight disagreement as to whether it was because Kim was his friend (and thus was an arguably immoral decision) or if it was because he was just closer or some other arbitrary decision |
| 06:47.31 | ScytheBlade1 | watch the episode |
| 06:47.33 | Shirik | both of which could leave him in such a state |
| 06:47.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It's because Kim was his friend in the end |
| 06:47.41 | ScytheBlade1 | </spoiler> |
| 06:47.54 | Shirik | was it? |
| 06:47.56 | Shirik | I've seen it |
| 06:47.57 | Shirik | several times |
| 06:48.02 | Shirik | granted, haven't seen it in years |
| 06:49.06 | ScytheBlade1 | yes, it was |
| 06:49.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Random moments in 3rd grade? Random star trek episodes? No problem! |
| 06:49.42 | ScytheBlade1 | What I was doing 30 seconds ago? Well.... |
| 06:50.06 | Thunder_Child | same |
| 06:50.14 | Thunder_Child | what i learned in class...NOT A DAMN BIT |
| 06:50.35 | NightHawkTheSane | the real trick is putting education in the form of a star trek episode. |
| 06:50.39 | ccox | Holy cow Shirik - are you still on that same episode? |
| 06:50.47 | Shirik | It's Tekkub's fault! |
| 06:50.50 | Fisker- | why must the well in dalaran fail? :( |
| 06:50.51 | Shirik | He linked a star trek image! |
| 06:51.01 | Tekkub | TNG you jackass |
| 06:51.09 | Tekkub | no one cares about V'ger |
| 06:51.38 | Thunder_Child | Voyager > TNG |
| 06:51.40 | ccox | It's all the same to Shirik - before his time |
| 06:51.46 | Tekkub | one of the dalaran well's exits should be... above the dalaran well |
| 06:51.48 | Shirik | Hy! |
| 06:51.51 | Shirik | I watched TNG! |
| 06:51.53 | Shirik | That's not before my time |
| 06:51.58 | Shirik | I might have been young but I still watched it |
| 06:51.58 | ccox | what, in the crib? |
| 06:52.00 | Tekkub | In syndication! |
| 06:52.01 | Shirik | wtf |
| 06:52.03 | Shirik | no I was like 8 |
| 06:52.09 | Tekkub | lies |
| 06:52.22 | ccox | LOL! |
| 06:52.29 | Shirik | I was still in MA |
| 06:52.30 | Tem | voyager's last episode was when I was like 12 |
| 06:52.31 | Shirik | so that would be |
| 06:52.34 | Shirik | first through third grade |
| 06:52.39 | Shirik | what is that |
| 06:52.41 | Tem | there's NO WAY you saw TNG in original runs |
| 06:52.43 | Shirik | 6-8? |
| 06:52.47 | Shirik | maybe not original no |
| 06:52.50 | Shirik | but definitely before voyager |
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| 06:52.59 | ccox | TNG started, what 1988? |
| 06:53.05 | Tekkub | well the show did last 7 seasons, maybe he caught the end |
| 06:53.11 | ccox | When I was a junior in college? |
| 06:53.14 | Tem | wait, really? |
| 06:53.16 | Tem | 1998? |
| 06:53.23 | Tekkub | I remember watching reading rainbow's TNG episode |
| 06:53.25 | ccox | 88 |
| 06:53.26 | Corrodias | 88 he said |
| 06:53.27 | Tem | then no I definitely saw some of that |
| 06:53.30 | Tekkub | that was the only good ep of that show |
| 06:53.33 | Tem | oh8 |
| 06:53.37 | NightHawkTheSane | http://epguides.com/StarTrekTheNextGeneration/ |
| 06:53.44 | Tem | eaaaaaaaaakeyboard death |
| 06:53.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:53.51 | Shirik | ~lart Tem |
| 06:53.51 | purl | whacks Tem upside the head |
| 06:53.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Sept 1987 for TNG |
| 06:53.52 | ccox | oops, 87 - my mistake |
| 06:54.07 | ccox | sophmore |
| 06:54.11 | Tekkub | man I was like 5 when it started |
| 06:54.17 | Tekkub | and Shirik is smaller than me |
| 06:54.22 | Shirik | ok so I would have been like 7 |
| 06:54.24 | Shirik | big deal |
| 06:54.27 | Shirik | (near the end) |
| 06:54.31 | Tekkub | therefore Shirik couldn't have seen them in original airing |
| 06:54.34 | NightHawkTheSane | I think i was like 7 when it started |
| 06:54.42 | Shirik | no way |
| 06:54.47 | Shirik | I remember watching it 1st-2nd grade |
| 06:54.54 | Shirik | I remember the house I watched it in |
| 06:54.57 | NightHawkTheSane | im pretty sure i watched the original airings pretty early on, but i dont know about that early |
| 06:55.12 | NightHawkTheSane | ~pat ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:55.13 | purl | ACTION pats ScytheBlade1 and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 06:55.19 | Tekkub | I remember coming home from the pool so that I wouldn't watch it an my mother commenting on how pathetic that was |
| 06:55.27 | Tekkub | and then tried to make me go back, but I wouldn't |
| 06:55.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:55.37 | Tekkub | I NEEDED MY SPACE STORIES |
| 06:55.52 | Shirik | Then I remember voyager very well |
| 06:55.57 | Shirik | and that south park was on right after voyager |
| 06:55.59 | Tekkub | s/watchi it/miss it/ |
| 06:56.06 | ScytheBlade1 | TNG > Voyager |
| 06:56.08 | Thunder_Child | Voyager > TNG |
| 06:56.10 | Shirik | no f that |
| 06:56.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 06:56.12 | Shirik | Voyager > TNG |
| 06:56.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa |
| 06:56.24 | Tekkub | we never got V'ger because UPN wasn't carried on cable in the mountains |
| 06:56.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh no, what I said was right |
| 06:56.30 | NightHawkTheSane | DS9 > TNG + Voyager |
| 06:56.31 | ccox | Everything > Voyager > Enterprise |
| 06:56.34 | Tekkub | but before it became UPN, we got the channel |
| 06:56.39 | Shirik | I hate enterprise tbh |
| 06:56.58 | Tekkub | enterpirse started off very poorly, but started to pick up there at the end |
| 06:56.59 | NightHawkTheSane | admittedly, i really haven't seen most of voyager. |
| 06:57.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i ought to make that my next series to download and watch |
| 06:57.20 | Tekkub | had they skipped the first two seasons and added two good seasons on after it would have been decent |
| 06:57.29 | Tem | I can't go back and watch shows like that |
| 06:57.34 | Tem | they're so monster of the week |
| 06:57.36 | Tekkub | V'ger's failure was not enough Q |
| 06:57.42 | Shirik | eh |
| 06:57.48 | Shirik | the Q episodes weren't that great imo |
| 06:57.55 | Tekkub | nekkid Q >> all |
| 06:57.58 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:57.58 | Thunder_Child | to much romance with q |
| 06:57.59 | ccox | not enough acting, not enough writing... |
| 06:58.27 | ccox | (and not nearly enough anime jokes like TNG had) |
| 06:58.32 | Shirik | there were a lot of deep messages in voyager :) ccox obviously was too old to think deeply about them |
| 06:58.33 | Shirik | ooooooo |
| 06:58.35 | Shirik | snap |
| 06:58.40 | ScytheBlade1 | This is as good a moment as any |
| 06:58.41 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.cbs.com/video/?showname=classics/star_trek&showtype=classics#video |
| 06:59.23 | Shirik | Kirk was a strange man |
| 07:00.19 | Shirik | wait |
| 07:00.23 | Shirik | those are full episodes, ScytheBlade1? |
| 07:00.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 07:00.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Also available in HD |
| 07:00.34 | Shirik | wow |
| 07:00.43 | Shirik | wtb for voyager ty? |
| 07:00.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:00.49 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: wow, cbs has shit for selection |
| 07:01.06 | NightHawkTheSane | on the other hand |
| 07:01.17 | NightHawkTheSane | at least the put up ALL of ToS |
| 07:01.35 | ScytheBlade1 | hard to beat free and in HD, too |
| 07:01.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, HD for flash embedded in a browser |
| 07:02.31 | Shirik | wtf does it mean to make an HD version |
| 07:02.38 | Tekkub | oh god |
| 07:02.39 | Shirik | it was recorded, what, 30 years ago? |
| 07:02.45 | Tekkub | why can't I send Picard to my guild |
| 07:02.47 | Shirik | How could the quality make a difference |
| 07:02.48 | Shirik | seriously |
| 07:02.57 | Tekkub | "Where do I go now, I'm half a bubble from 80" |
| 07:03.05 | Tekkub | "Uh, keep questing where you left off?" |
| 07:03.15 | ccox | Shirik: it was shot and edited on film, the original video lost a lot of quality |
| 07:03.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: "anywhere you want?" |
| 07:03.24 | Tekkub | "Well I have a bunch of stuff here in storm peaks, but it's not showing up in QuestHelper" |
| 07:03.25 | Shirik | oh god |
| 07:03.30 | Shirik | don't let Thunder_Child hear you say that word |
| 07:03.32 | Shirik | he hates that stuff |
| 07:03.33 | ccox | but the film can be scanned at higher resolution |
| 07:03.34 | Tekkub | "ill go try icecrown" |
| 07:03.36 | Shirik | don't say it! |
| 07:03.42 | ccox | (and the effects replaced) |
| 07:04.04 | Shirik | I would tend to totally agree with you |
| 07:04.14 | Shirik | but I can't let Thunder_Child see me advocating such a technology |
| 07:26.19 | Tekkub | I would like to nominate http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10572 as best quest title ever |
| 07:36.27 | cogwheel | mmm... ssh on palm 4tw... |
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| 07:37.17 | Thunder_Child | wait what? |
| 07:37.45 | cogwheel | i is ircing from my centro |
| 07:38.10 | Corrodias | what is this "centro"? is this your ghetto slang for a pimped out escalade? |
| 07:39.14 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, nothing wrong with scanning in old photos |
| 07:40.00 | cogwheel | http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=palm+centro |
| 07:52.45 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Shirik |
| 07:52.46 | purl | Shirik, you Fail! |
| 07:52.52 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:53.07 | Thunder_Child | nothing wrong with upgrading |
| 08:06.05 | Fisker- | ZorbaTHut |
| 08:06.13 | Fisker- | i am disappoint |
| 08:07.09 | ZorbaTHut | oh? |
| 08:07.48 | Fisker- | takes like 0.5 seconds longer to load wow with questhelper enabled |
| 08:08.33 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, most of that is just parsing the files :P |
| 08:09.11 | Fisker- | lol |
| 08:09.11 | Fisker- | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=3443#comments |
| 08:09.18 | Fisker- | This quest can be seen if you are tracking "Low Level Quests". |
| 08:09.38 | Fisker- | i think i'll write that on all pages quest related with a quest level lower than 72 |
| 08:09.52 | ZorbaTHut | I saw one quest where the guy had posted "this can be easily soloed at 80" |
| 08:10.03 | Fisker- | :D |
| 08:10.03 | ZorbaTHut | just some random level 70 non-group non-dungeon quest |
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| 08:17.36 | Ackis | can wow play .wma's? |
| 08:17.55 | Shirik | negative |
| 08:19.34 | Ackis | when you say negative you are required to also say "ghostrider, pattern is full" :P |
| 08:22.39 | Ackis | on a side note, wearing full virtuous (tier 0.5 priest = yellow) on a spectral tiger makes people think you're a gm |
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| 08:24.21 | Shirik | I love my change logs |
| 08:24.37 | Shirik | 2.1.2 [Alpha 6] - Corrected a race condition where attempts to iterate over the list of addons while populating the list of addons could throw an internal exception |
| 08:24.49 | Shirik | 2.1.3 - Skipped because I can't count |
| 08:24.59 | Shirik | 2.1.4 [Alpha 7] - |
| 08:28.47 | nevcairiel | people should get shot for empty changelogs |
| 08:29.21 | Shirik | It's not empty! |
| 08:29.29 | Shirik | I just raised the version number by 2 instead of 1 |
| 08:32.16 | Fisker- | 3.1 ptr nao |
| 08:32.20 | Fisker- | or i will perish |
| 08:32.57 | NightHawkTheSane | we could only hope |
| 08:34.06 | End | can we have both? |
| 08:40.42 | Thunder_Child | [12:40] [2] <73:Xyer>: Lets get the horde! [For The Alliance!] 74+ PST me. GET A FREE EPIC MOUNT FOR COMPLETING! |
| 08:40.43 | Thunder_Child | [ |
| 08:40.50 | Thunder_Child | fail paste |
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| 08:50.32 | Arrowmaster | Ackis, Shirik: actually apparently wow on windows can play wma but wow on osx and probably wine cant |
| 08:50.41 | Shirik | oh really? |
| 08:53.29 | ckknight | truth |
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| 09:06.13 | Thunder_Child | $1.50 ubs bluetooth dongle on woot.com |
| 09:06.41 | Thunder_Child | usb* |
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| 09:24.54 | Tekkub | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1562/ |
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| 09:35.05 | Shirik | Something is really broken with my fisheye instance |
| 09:35.07 | Shirik | does anyone here use fisheye? |
| 09:35.54 | nevcairiel | fisheye never really worked properly for us when we used it |
| 09:35.57 | nevcairiel | was slow and buggy |
| 09:36.20 | Shirik | Well |
| 09:36.23 | Shirik | This is more of my fault |
| 09:36.30 | Shirik | I broke the permissions on it and don't know where to fix it |
| 09:36.31 | Tekkub | fisheye is like, so much overkill |
| 09:36.35 | nevcairiel | all evil in the world is your failt |
| 09:36.37 | Shirik | Guests can view anything |
| 09:36.45 | Shirik | I, as an administrator, when I log in |
| 09:36.49 | Shirik | it shows no repositories exist |
| 09:37.08 | Tekkub | it's like trac, but a bit better written... but still so much unneeded stuff |
| 09:37.34 | nevcairiel | trac is even more stuff |
| 09:37.37 | Shirik | I like fisheye solely for its integration with jira |
| 09:37.43 | Shirik | and crucible |
| 09:37.46 | Shirik | crucible is very good |
| 09:38.15 | Tekkub | well when you take jira + crucible + fisheye it makes trac look small |
| 09:39.50 | Nom- | trac is crap |
| 09:40.10 | Shirik | Fisheye is also a memory hog |
| 09:40.20 | Nom- | memory is cheap |
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| 09:51.03 | Tekkub | just because you have 8GiB, doesn't mean you need to use ti all, constantly |
| 10:00.46 | End | Clifford Stoll likes to jump around a lot |
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| 10:25.32 | Fisker- | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1559/ |
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| 10:48.32 | sioraiocht_ | why is it that the danish speakers never want to play with non-danes :( |
| 10:48.49 | selckin | dkdkdkdkdkhunterdk |
| 10:48.50 | MoonWolf | same reason the swedes don't want to |
| 10:48.54 | MoonWolf | SWE ? |
| 10:52.20 | Fisker- | dk |
| 10:53.14 | mikma | dont be a d(ic)k |
| 10:57.22 | sioraiocht_ | i've actually never had a problem with a swede |
| 10:58.17 | sioraiocht_ | it's a bit weird, though, don't most nordic language speakers have really good English as well? |
| 11:00.13 | nevcairiel | that doesnt mean they like talking in it |
| 11:00.43 | mikma | well, greatly depends |
| 11:01.04 | mikma | theres people that know and talk english, and then theres the other half... |
| 11:01.37 | sioraiocht_ | mikma: is this because some never learnt it in school, or just didn't bother working at it? |
| 11:01.55 | mikma | both |
| 11:02.10 | mikma | older people dont know because it wasnt teached |
| 11:02.17 | mikma | school clowns didnt bother |
| 11:02.47 | mikma | and then there kimi räikkönen |
| 11:02.51 | sioraiocht_ | ? |
| 11:02.59 | mikma | knows english but still sucks at it |
| 11:03.08 | sioraiocht_ | I wish I had received earlier education in foreign languages |
| 11:03.52 | sioraiocht_ | although I think part of the problem with english speakers is that language isolation is too easy, everything is in english for us and we aren't forced to push our lagnuage skills often enough to develop them |
| 11:03.58 | sioraiocht_ | unless we expatriate |
| 11:04.02 | mikma | we actually have 3 different languages teached. finnish, swedish, english |
| 11:04.31 | mikma | finnish and swedish are the 2 primal languages that are forced |
| 11:04.45 | mikma | then you can pick english if you want |
| 11:04.57 | sioraiocht_ | ah |
| 11:05.09 | sioraiocht_ | is finland part of the nordic council? |
| 11:05.44 | mikma | if i knew whats that in finnish i could tell you ;) |
| 11:06.31 | sioraiocht_ | Pohjoismaiden neuvosto |
| 11:06.53 | mikma | ok, google will know |
| 11:08.11 | sioraiocht_ | hahaha |
| 11:08.25 | sioraiocht_ | i jus tlooked it up on wikipedia and clicked on the "suomi" version of the article |
| 11:08.26 | mikma | ya, its part of |
| 11:12.31 | sioraiocht_ | mikma: was just curious but nordic council countries have to let citizens of other council countries interact with their government in their own nordic tongue without special arrangement |
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| 11:12.58 | sioraiocht_ | but finnish is quite different from the scandanavian languages |
| 11:13.03 | mikma | apparently finnish aint official language |
| 11:13.12 | sioraiocht_ | really? |
| 11:13.16 | sioraiocht_ | not cool! =p |
| 11:13.16 | mikma | ya |
| 11:13.20 | sioraiocht_ | icelandic is |
| 11:14.12 | mikma | nope |
| 11:14.58 | sioraiocht_ | oh, hrm |
| 11:15.00 | mikma | only swedish norwegian and danish according to wikipedia |
| 11:15.01 | sioraiocht_ | yeah you're right |
| 11:15.18 | sioraiocht_ | yo're still supposedt o be able to interact with the other governments in finnish, though |
| 11:16.19 | sioraiocht_ | cuz some people bitch about having to pay for icelandic translation fees for some things |
| 11:16.33 | Arrowmaster | i agree about the english language isolation part, schools dont offer forign languages until highschool 9th grade, and by that point its also extremely hard for some people to be able to learn other languages well |
| 11:16.46 | Arrowmaster | us schools that is |
| 11:16.52 | p3lim | Theyve fixed that icestone melt crap? |
| 11:17.11 | mikma | fyi: i didnt learn english from school at the beginning... |
| 11:17.13 | sioraiocht_ | Arrowmaster: even then, how do you get practice |
| 11:17.34 | mikma | i learned it mainly frm leisure suit larrys and monkey islands =D |
| 11:17.35 | Arrowmaster | you dont unless you live in certain parts of the country |
| 11:17.49 | sioraiocht_ | mikma: but you use it regularly in some fashion |
| 11:17.52 | Arrowmaster | and thats only if you took spanish in highschool |
| 11:18.02 | sioraiocht_ | Arrowmaster: which I did, and lived near to mexico |
| 11:18.02 | Arrowmaster | nobody speaks french |
| 11:18.06 | mikma | was not cool to play with dictionary |
| 11:18.18 | mikma | but here we are anyway =) i thank the games |
| 11:19.53 | mikma | i think i was 10 when they started to teach english to me in school |
| 11:20.04 | Arrowmaster | i think the age you learn a 2nd language makes a huge difference |
| 11:20.18 | Arrowmaster | my friend knows 4 or 5 languages |
| 11:20.20 | nevcairiel | they start around 10 here too |
| 11:21.13 | mikma | arrowmaster: but mythbusters busted the "old dong cant learn new tricks" myth |
| 11:21.27 | mikma | dong=dog |
| 11:21.36 | nevcairiel | sure they can learn, it just takes them much longer |
| 11:21.43 | sioraiocht_ | i wish i had a chance to use them more often, though |
| 11:21.44 | mikma | small keyboard fails are cool |
| 11:21.46 | Arrowmaster | and he moved from russia to the us when he was like 6, learned german in highschool, japanese in college, and for some reason i want to say that he knows french too but im not sure on that |
| 11:22.05 | sioraiocht_ | its hard to maintain a high degree of fluency in a language without regular use |
| 11:22.55 | mikma | and like most of finnish people, we just dont care about the swedish in school = we forget it |
| 11:22.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah ive completely forgotten any spanish i once knew |
| 11:23.32 | mikma | sure we know some dirty words but thats it =D |
| 11:24.06 | sioraiocht_ | finnish is complicated enough anyway |
| 11:24.23 | mikma | yes it is. |
| 11:24.23 | Arrowmaster | i cant even remember any spanish curse words |
| 11:24.49 | sioraiocht_ | puta |
| 11:25.08 | sioraiocht_ | joder (means fuck, as in Ay, ¡joder!) |
| 11:25.53 | sioraiocht_ | concho <--- REALLY dirty |
| 11:26.30 | mikma | cajones!! |
| 11:26.47 | mikma | pollo =D |
| 11:27.23 | sioraiocht | lol |
| 11:27.57 | mikma | typical sentence: pollo pollo jajajajajajajajaaa pollo! |
| 11:28.50 | sioraiocht | hahaha |
| 11:29.22 | sioraiocht | must sound so primitive to you, all the words have fewer than 4 syllables! =p |
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| 11:30.31 | mikma | na, the meaning is very clear of that |
| 11:30.47 | mikma | the sayer is taunting me to whoop his ass |
| 11:31.41 | sioraiocht | lol |
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| 12:37.16 | Arrowmaster | owe |
| 12:37.18 | Arrowmaster | fuck fuck fuck |
| 12:38.05 | Arrowmaster | i bent over to search the frige to see if there was any leftover pizza and got a neck cramp |
| 12:40.10 | selckin | just find a paladin to cleanse you |
| 12:40.46 | Kalroth | I only read the "I bent over" part |
| 12:46.53 | Arrowmaster | i will take this as a sign that i should goto sleep, night all |
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| 12:48.25 | nevcairiel | See, thats why my fridge doesnt stand on the ground, rather on some cabinet where i store dishes =P |
| 12:49.19 | Arrowmaster | my fridge is huge and older than i am |
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| 12:57.59 | Robsato | Anyone knows how I can remove a file I have uploaded to wowinterface.com? |
| 12:58.12 | Cide | hack the server, delete the file |
| 12:58.34 | Robsato | Hmmm, I was looking form something simpler like a delete button ;-) |
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| 13:15.20 | jnwhiteh | Robsato: ask someone |
| 13:15.26 | jnwhiteh | who is a moderator on wowi |
| 13:15.34 | jnwhiteh | like myself, cair, dolby, shirik, etc. |
| 13:16.47 | Robsato | Ok, could you delete the file at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12141-NugMinipet1.3.2.fixedwrongsummons.html ? |
| 13:17.12 | jnwhiteh | all taken care of |
| 13:17.17 | Robsato | Thanks |
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| 13:29.27 | Adys | how about fire a normal shot |
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| 13:50.36 | WobWork | hm |
| 13:50.47 | WobWork | anyone know of a hunter mod that shows the internal cooldown for Lock n Load? |
| 14:01.12 | WobWork | bah |
| 14:01.15 | WobWork | it doesn't appear to exist |
| 14:03.04 | foxlit|mac | something to write, then |
| 14:03.07 | foxlit|mac | hm |
| 14:06.14 | p3lim | When can UnitSelectionColor() return nil= |
| 14:06.15 | p3lim | ?* |
| 14:10.36 | Adys | never? |
| 14:12.28 | Cide | does anyone know of any voice chat program besides teamspeak 2 and ventrilo? |
| 14:12.36 | Adys | skype |
| 14:12.43 | Cide | is the sound quality any good? |
| 14:12.45 | nevcairiel | mumble |
| 14:12.49 | Adys | its quite good yeah |
| 14:12.52 | Adys | i didnt use it much tho |
| 14:13.02 | Cide | can you have push to talk for it? |
| 14:13.03 | Adys | though i wouldnt recommend it for gaming |
| 14:13.07 | Cide | why not? |
| 14:13.08 | Adys | no idea |
| 14:13.14 | nevcairiel | skype isnt that good for real voice chats, its more like a phone |
| 14:13.18 | Adys | eh its more of a phone |
| 14:13.33 | Cide | as long as the sound quality is better than ts2 |
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| 14:13.39 | Cide | since ventrilo doesn't work properly on windows 7 |
| 14:13.47 | nevcairiel | you might try mumble |
| 14:14.02 | Adys | if you just want 1-1 voice chat, skype is good |
| 14:14.07 | Cide | have you tried it nevcairiel |
| 14:14.10 | Cide | ? |
| 14:14.14 | nevcairiel | briefly |
| 14:14.39 | nevcairiel | the quality is better then ts2, and its open source, no silly limitations on hosting |
| 14:15.09 | haste | Cide: mumble has equal sound quality to VT3 on higest |
| 14:15.17 | haste | too bad the server requires QT |
| 14:15.21 | Adys | what |
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| 14:15.25 | Cide | QT meaning quicktime? |
| 14:15.28 | Adys | no |
| 14:15.28 | Adys | qt |
| 14:15.29 | haste | Qt |
| 14:15.32 | Adys | the gui toolkit |
| 14:15.34 | haste | trolltech lib |
| 14:15.34 | Cide | ah |
| 14:15.41 | cbreak | Qt is a nice cross platform C++ framework |
| 14:15.49 | cbreak | it was recently re-released under the LGPL |
| 14:15.51 | Adys | how can the SERVER require it? |
| 14:15.53 | haste | yes, but on a server application it is a REAL overkill |
| 14:16.04 | haste | Adys: GUI on windows I guess :p |
| 14:16.17 | cbreak | it contains both windowing, platform abstraction, as well as many low level APIs |
| 14:16.39 | cbreak | such as image loading, regexp parsing, signaling api, and so on |
| 14:16.44 | cbreak | it's quite cool :) |
| 14:17.33 | haste | still overkill for a server :p |
| 14:17.47 | cbreak | QtCore is separate from QtGUI |
| 14:18.07 | Adys | but still overkill |
| 14:18.16 | Adys | speaking of qt |
| 14:18.21 | Adys | why are the pyqt docs so poor =( |
| 14:18.34 | selckin | because nobody uses it |
| 14:18.41 | Adys | you mean |
| 14:18.45 | Adys | apart from half of KDE programs |
| 14:18.49 | Adys | nobody uses it |
| 14:19.09 | selckin | lies |
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| 14:26.50 | laeg-work | anyone having trouble with the curse client under wine? |
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| 14:39.49 | haste | isn't it C#? |
| 14:40.09 | nevcairiel | no its C++ |
| 14:41.58 | haste | in other news, firefox isn't really made to open 90 tabs at once |
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| 14:42.41 | zenzelezz | haste: lies, how else would we be able to browse our porn? |
| 14:43.01 | haste | well, it works fine when I use open selected links in new tabs |
| 14:43.04 | haste | but when you start it |
| 14:43.07 | haste | then it goes batshit :p |
| 14:43.17 | zenzelezz | oh, opening 90 tabs at once? |
| 14:43.23 | zenzelezz | yeah, that's... not entirely fun |
| 14:43.31 | haste | it crashed, and I selected restore session |
| 14:43.55 | Olorin` | can anyone tell me if its likely that an addon would cause textures for buffs and items to be incorrectly displayed ie spider silks to look like pair of boots etc... I tried emptying the cache but still having that issue |
| 14:44.05 | haste | it locks up for 5 sec, then it does TONS of work on all tabs, repeat until it's done :p |
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| 14:55.23 | foxlit|mac | Olorin`: you could write something that does that, but I doubt anyone would be able to do so by accident |
| 14:55.38 | foxlit|mac | Try disabling all addons and seeing if the problem persists |
| 14:56.24 | Olorin` | foxlit|mac: thanks for response, just running a repair, if that fails ill try the no addon route... |
| 14:57.09 | foxlit|mac | Does the UI always display the wrong icon, or after some period of time? |
| 14:57.51 | Olorin` | very intermittant, not same items or buffs |
| 14:58.05 | foxlit | Does it go away by itself? |
| 14:58.29 | Olorin` | hmm, it changes, if reopen bag or guild bank it may well clear |
| 14:58.43 | foxlit | Just the item icons? |
| 14:58.47 | Olorin` | sometimes no texture shown at all but still get the tooltip for correct items |
| 14:58.56 | Olorin` | no, ive seen it blank out buffs too |
| 14:59.07 | Olorin` | get the box but no texture |
| 14:59.20 | Olorin` | wouldnt always notice if it happened to substitue icon |
| 14:59.37 | foxlit | Mm, the problem with buffs is that they reuse item icons :) |
| 14:59.59 | foxlit | (and vice versa) |
| 15:00.33 | Olorin` | not always easy to tell with inventory unless you know exactly what items to expect lol |
| 15:07.56 | Olorin` | really odd bug or somthing, my chilled meat is very suscceptable to bugging, first attemt to open guild bank it had no graphic, switched tabs and back again its displayed correctly as blue meat, reloaded ui, its their but this time its red meat, changed tabs and its blue |
| 15:08.56 | laeg-work | what are the current best professions for rogue in arena? |
| 15:09.35 | foxlit | Fortunetelling and Exploration |
| 15:18.51 | Thunder_Child | so adored is realtime but heartbroken is game time....fail |
| 15:22.04 | nevcairiel | just get someone to cleanse you |
| 15:22.21 | nevcairiel | on my realm, you just have to run to the bank or AH and someone cleans you |
| 15:32.04 | Thunder_Child | doesnt help at 3am servertime |
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| 15:38.12 | Adys | def get_LastValue(self): |
| 15:38.15 | Adys | ugh |
| 15:38.23 | Adys | that casing makes me cry |
| 15:43.16 | Cide | consistent naming ftw |
| 15:43.30 | Cide | that python? |
| 15:43.34 | Cide | yes it is |
| 15:43.37 | Cide | good god that's ugly |
| 15:43.47 | Cide | def method_names_go_like_this(self): |
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| 15:45.45 | nevcairiel | camel case and underscores mixed? |
| 15:45.55 | nevcairiel | how evil |
| 15:46.29 | zenzelezz | I_dont_Know_what_You_mean() |
| 15:46.51 | WobWork | Too many underscores |
| 15:47.01 | WobWork | and the casing is too regular there |
| 15:49.44 | zenzelezz | irregularly regular! |
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| 16:29.40 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Sunday, dear. |
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| 16:31.56 | Fisker- | you can't parry what already happened |
| 16:32.06 | zenzelezz | that's what they want you to think |
| 16:35.06 | Adys | whats the difference between curl http://example.com and wget -q -O - http://example.com? |
| 16:36.03 | haste | one uses curl and another uses wget |
| 16:45.54 | p3lim | hm once i knew a way to get all directories names listed in a text file through some fancy cmd stuff, perhaps a bat file |
| 16:45.58 | p3lim | anyone know of it? |
| 16:47.38 | Syzgyn | just the directories, and not the files? |
| 16:47.45 | p3lim | yep |
| 16:47.59 | p3lim | i know you can just do 'dir > name.txt' |
| 16:47.59 | Syzgyn | hmm |
| 16:47.59 | Robsato | I think you can do that with the FOR command. Unfortunately I don't have examples at home, but "help FOR" should get you started |
| 16:48.06 | p3lim | but its too detailed |
| 16:52.49 | Syzgyn | "Aha |
| 16:53.15 | Syzgyn | dir c: | find "<DIR>" > file.txt |
| 17:06.14 | Tifi | dir . /b/s/ad > dirs.txt |
| 17:07.12 | Tifi | that's recursive though |
| 17:08.07 | Tifi | you probably want dir /ad/b |
| 17:10.44 | p3lim | that was the one i wanted, thanks Tifi |
| 17:10.51 | Tifi | np |
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| 17:52.24 | AbsolutRayne | Wow, I have a SERIOUS memory leak |
| 17:52.50 | ScytheBlade1 | AbsolutRayne: better fix it! |
| 17:53.00 | AbsolutRayne | ScytheBlade1: WoW was using over a Million :/ |
| 17:53.07 | ScytheBlade1 | a million what? |
| 17:53.15 | zenzelezz | bytes |
| 17:53.26 | AbsolutRayne | ^ |
| 17:53.47 | foxlit | k |
| 17:53.52 | nevcairiel | A giga-byte? I get my wow up there easily by just exploring some terrain to load into memory :) |
| 17:54.06 | AbsolutRayne | Mine never really goes above 500,000 |
| 17:54.08 | AbsolutRayne | :/ |
| 17:54.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Mine hovers around 900MB |
| 17:54.52 | ScytheBlade1 | That's fine for me |
| 17:54.55 | AbsolutRayne | And its randomly locking up here and there |
| 17:54.57 | AbsolutRayne | so yeah |
| 17:57.50 | AbsolutRayne | and now it crashed upon loading. -_- |
| 17:58.45 | sacarasc | 1 million bytes is nothing |
| 17:59.03 | nevcairiel | I'm quite certain he meant 1 million kbyte by now :) |
| 17:59.37 | AbsolutRayne | 'Not enough storage is available to process this command.' |
| 17:59.38 | AbsolutRayne | neat |
| 17:59.44 | AbsolutRayne | Thanks WoW for making my day brighter |
| 18:00.14 | Cide | yeah, because it occupies so much space with today's hdd's |
| 18:02.25 | AbsolutRayne | Oh neat, I get to redomy Pitbull UF -_- |
| 18:02.36 | AbsolutRayne | But on the bright side, whatever I disabled stopped the crashes |
| 18:03.20 | ScytheBlade1 | AbsolutRayne: copy your pitbull SV .lua.bak elsewhere, close wow, and then drop it in place of your .lua |
| 18:04.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: maybe, maybe not. :) |
| 18:05.32 | Lopeppeppy | I'm pretty sure it needs a new video card, but that doesn't explain the crashes. *gentle shrug* I just wish I could play Wrath on my real monitor. |
| 18:05.45 | foxlit | ScytheBlade, AbsolutRayne: but does that include storage used on graphics card? :) |
| 18:05.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Hit ctrl+shift+escape, and click to the Performance tab |
| 18:05.54 | AbsolutRayne | foxlit: -shrug- |
| 18:06.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Look under physical memory and kernel memory |
| 18:06.36 | ScytheBlade1 | free+cached = total free memory |
| 18:06.54 | ScytheBlade1 | If that is something silly like 6 with WoW closed, then yeah you've got a problem |
| 18:07.51 | foxlit | available + system cache > total |
| 18:08.12 | foxlit | Clearly someone rewrote windows using Ace. |
| 18:08.14 | AbsolutRayne | So the tossup for what wascausing the crash is... |
| 18:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: rofl |
| 18:08.24 | ScytheBlade1 | a hahahahaha |
| 18:08.33 | AbsolutRayne | Align, DevelopmentTools, Grid, GridDynamicLayout or Ignoremore |
| 18:08.36 | AbsolutRayne | or Recount |
| 18:08.53 | AbsolutRayne | Cause now its working fine |
| 18:08.53 | zenzelezz | AbsolutRayne: you don't have like 100'000 people on your ignoremorelist? |
| 18:08.54 | AbsolutRayne | :/ |
| 18:09.04 | AbsolutRayne | zenzelezz: Purged it recently |
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| 18:10.40 | AbsolutRayne | Honestly, I think it might be Grid |
| 18:11.12 | zenzelezz | unless it happens again, ignore it |
| 18:12.08 | AbsolutRayne | ScytheBlade1: Unless is goffed it, didnt work |
| 18:12.31 | ScytheBlade1 | AbsolutRayne: :( |
| 18:12.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Did you close WoW first, or after you made a copy of your .bak? |
| 18:13.05 | foxlit | .baks are ancient! |
| 18:13.11 | ScytheBlade1 | really? |
| 18:13.19 | AbsolutRayne | I pulled a copy of my .bak from my Zipped version of CherryLite 8 on my HD |
| 18:13.20 | foxlit | yeah |
| 18:13.28 | ScytheBlade1 | huh |
| 18:13.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I've had great success with them in the past |
| 18:13.34 | AbsolutRayne | Replaced the 'new' one |
| 18:14.06 | foxlit | Modified: Mon 22 October 2007 |
| 18:14.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol wow |
| 18:14.19 | foxlit | Wed 03 January 2007 |
| 18:14.33 | foxlit | Wed 06 August 2008 |
| 18:14.43 | foxlit | Thu 13 September 2007 |
| 18:14.55 | foxlit | ^ BigWigs, DevTools, OPie, Recount |
| 18:15.09 | foxlit | I get the impression that WoW just creates them if they don't exist. |
| 18:15.25 | ScytheBlade1 | how useless |
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| 18:19.30 | Shirik | rawr |
| 18:19.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ~stab Shirik |
| 18:19.45 | purl | ACTION runs at Shirik with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 18:19.51 | Shirik | ~whaleparry Scy |
| 18:19.52 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Scy's attacks. |
| 18:19.54 | Shirik | .. |
| 18:19.56 | Shirik | tab fail |
| 18:20.20 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 18:20.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 18:20.23 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 18:20.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
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| 18:36.28 | Shirik | Does anyone have a recommendation on a good way to test a program for Mac? |
| 18:36.39 | Shirik | Is there some open-source mac alternative or something? |
| 18:37.15 | selckin | buy one :\ |
| 18:37.21 | Shirik | lolno |
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| 18:38.06 | [dRaCo] | boot mac os in a VM |
| 18:38.15 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:38.17 | selckin | still have to buy one |
| 18:38.19 | Shirik | but my lack of mac os is a problem |
| 18:38.24 | Shirik | The VM was kinda obvious :P |
| 18:38.36 | selckin | you get minions todo it for you |
| 18:38.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: there's no legal way to run a osx application on anything other than official mac hardware/os |
| 18:38.50 | Shirik | ok |
| 18:42.55 | Fisker- | says who NightHawkTheSane? |
| 18:43.02 | NightHawkTheSane | says apple |
| 18:43.11 | Fisker- | apple makes the law now? :3 |
| 18:43.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Concerning their OS and the licensing around it |
| 18:43.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 18:43.22 | NightHawkTheSane | they make the contract that you agree to when you run OS X. |
| 18:43.35 | NightHawkTheSane | the same as any other ToU really |
| 18:43.47 | Fisker- | NightHawkTheSane doesn't mean it can be legally enforced |
| 18:43.48 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 18:43.50 | Shirik | but there's no wine for mac or something |
| 18:43.52 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:43.53 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, it can |
| 18:44.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: no |
| 18:44.15 | Fisker- | Depends on a number of factors |
| 18:44.36 | NightHawkTheSane | you can get Darwin, but that's just the core BSD subsystem, and doesn't have the (proprietary) parts you'd need to run a true OS X application |
| 18:45.10 | [dRaCo] | Shirik: if you're using C#, there's a mono framework for mac os x |
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| 18:46.01 | ScytheBlade1 | He's using java |
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| 18:46.02 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, I think that's actually dubious. It relies on EULAs being enforcable even before they've been accepted, and that hasn't really been argued yet. |
| 18:46.28 | Shirik | I would have to do something like MSDN for Apple |
| 18:46.38 | Shirik | granted, it's a lot cheaper, but I'm not going to spend that money |
| 18:46.44 | ScytheBlade1 | -or- |
| 18:46.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Just get one of the many OSX users to help you out |
| 18:46.57 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: except, Apple's legal documents are all available online: http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/ |
| 18:47.12 | Shirik | I am, ScytheBlade1, but there's only a limited amount of debugging I can do like that |
| 18:47.13 | Shirik | HOWEVER |
| 18:47.14 | NightHawkTheSane | so that arguement doesn't really hold water |
| 18:47.17 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, that doesn't necessarily make them binding |
| 18:47.22 | ZorbaTHut | if I haven't signed something, I'm not bound by its conditions |
| 18:47.27 | foxlit | You want to test a java app? |
| 18:47.28 | Shirik | I have considered doing remote debugging over the internet |
| 18:47.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:47.34 | Shirik | I've used remote debugging for embedded systems before |
| 18:47.37 | Shirik | ..., never over the internet |
| 18:47.37 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not arguing the position of "you can't see them before you've bought them", I'm arguing the position of "they're not binding until you accept them" |
| 18:48.11 | selckin | If its java and it works on linux, no reason it would fail for mac :\ |
| 18:48.20 | Shirik | that's what I said |
| 18:48.21 | Shirik | but it does |
| 18:48.29 | ScytheBlade1 | selckin: except for the part where his base file paths change |
| 18:48.36 | Shirik | That's actually not it |
| 18:48.40 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, that's fine. but you cant install the software without accepting them. and you can't argue that "i didn't see it before i purchased it", so... how is that remotely non binding? |
| 18:48.41 | Shirik | it appears to have to do with one of the libraries I'm using |
| 18:48.42 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, and others :p |
| 18:48.50 | Shirik | I don't even deal with base file paths anymore |
| 18:48.57 | NightHawkTheSane | you have the full capacity to know what you're agreeing to |
| 18:49.03 | Shirik | I ask Java where the best place to store application files is |
| 18:49.05 | Shirik | and it tells me |
| 18:49.31 | selckin | what library? i'm curious now |
| 18:49.38 | Shirik | eclipse.org/swt |
| 18:49.57 | selckin | that would be your problem |
| 18:50.10 | Shirik | I use it for browser integration |
| 18:50.36 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, simple - modify the code before you install it so that it doesn't prompt you for the EULA. Now you never accepted the license. |
| 18:50.56 | ZorbaTHut | That itself is arguably legal because you own your copy of the data - it's legal on the same grounds that buying a book and feeding it through a paper shredder is legal. |
| 18:51.08 | NightHawkTheSane | I think modifying the code would be a breach of the license agreement as well, though |
| 18:51.17 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, but you never accepted the license, so that's okay :) |
| 18:51.34 | NightHawkTheSane | well, at this point, we're at the level of "i modified this GPL application and then sold it" is that legal? |
| 18:51.42 | NightHawkTheSane | (or, some other breach of the GPL) |
| 18:51.47 | Shirik | You don't accept a copyright |
| 18:51.48 | selckin | Shirik: considered jdic? |
| 18:51.50 | Shirik | it just exists |
| 18:51.52 | ZorbaTHut | no, it's not, because copying is different from modifying |
| 18:51.56 | NightHawkTheSane | because in terms of modifying proprietary software, that's basically what you're saying |
| 18:52.06 | ZorbaTHut | going back to the book analogy, you can shred the book, you can cut it up and sell it as art |
| 18:52.06 | Shirik | I'm already using JDesktop, selckin |
| 18:52.11 | ZorbaTHut | you *can't* make a duplicate of it |
| 18:52.19 | ZorbaTHut | and if you're duplicating your GPL code, that's copying, not modifying. |
| 18:52.23 | NightHawkTheSane | except to remove the license agreement, you'd have to MODIFY the book. |
| 18:52.29 | NightHawkTheSane | s/book/code/ |
| 18:52.32 | Shirik | JDesktop has a browser |
| 18:52.34 | Shirik | I don't want a browser |
| 18:52.54 | selckin | it can be used to embed html components |
| 18:52.55 | ZorbaTHut | as I said, modifying is fine, but the code still contains that copyright |
| 18:52.56 | NightHawkTheSane | to use your book analogy, you're -rewriting- the book, not merely destroying it. you're changing the code. |
| 18:52.57 | selckin | native :< |
| 18:53.00 | ZorbaTHut | copyright isn't given by a file |
| 18:53.14 | ZorbaTHut | copyright is a concept. |
| 18:53.22 | ZorbaTHut | Also, keep in mind that you have two choices when it comes to GPL'ed code |
| 18:53.32 | NightHawkTheSane | if you agree that selling modified GPL code is illegal, modifying proprietary code to avoid a license is also illegal |
| 18:53.33 | ZorbaTHut | you can distribute it with the GPL, or you can *not* distribute it with the GPL |
| 18:53.59 | Shirik | well their demo seems to have broken on my screen, selckin |
| 18:54.02 | ZorbaTHut | the fallback isn't "it's public domain", the fallback is "all rights reserved". The GPL is the only thing that allows you to distribute it in the first place |
| 18:54.05 | Shirik | not very good for convincing me to use it :) |
| 18:54.06 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, no, you're missing the distinction. Copying is the illegal part. |
| 18:54.14 | ZorbaTHut | If you're not copying, it's legal. If you are copying, it's not. |
| 18:54.17 | ZorbaTHut | Modifying is not copying. |
| 18:54.22 | selckin | :) |
| 18:54.24 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut, the courts disagree |
| 18:54.29 | selckin | Shirik: classic |
| 18:54.59 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, they disagree with themselves, frequently - as far as I know, the supreme court hasn't given a fixed opinion on this yet, and the lesser courts have given contradictory results |
| 18:55.05 | nevcairiel | If you use a modified version of a GPL product, you have to disclose your changes, even if its only on request |
| 18:55.12 | Shirik | The very use of a program is copying. Therefore unless you have changed literally the entire program, it is copying. If you have not gotten a license to use that software, then, you have violated copyright. |
| 18:55.12 | ZorbaTHut | nev, no, only if you distribute your code |
| 18:55.30 | ZorbaTHut | nev, you're perfectly in your rights to download a GPL product, modify it, and never give it to anyone, in binary form or source form |
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| 18:55.41 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, actually, it explicitly says in the copyright laws that merely using it is *not* considered copyingh |
| 18:55.45 | Shirik | Incorrect |
| 18:55.52 | Shirik | This was a supreme court ruling just a few months ago |
| 18:56.07 | nevcairiel | HDD -> RAM = copy |
| 18:56.21 | ZorbaTHut | can you find a reference to that? (I'm looking up the copyright law saying that HDD -> RAM != copy) |
| 18:56.35 | Shirik | I'm trying to remember what it was that brought this up |
| 18:57.39 | foxlit | Consider the following sequence of OnClick events: |
| 18:57.52 | selckin | omg an ontopic question |
| 18:58.02 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:58.03 | Shirik | "Does a laptop need a hard drive to operate? - Yahoo! Answers" |
| 18:58.04 | foxlit | "key1" down -> "key2" down -> "key1" up -> (no "key2" up) |
| 18:58.14 | foxlit | ^ What gives? |
| 18:58.19 | ZorbaTHut | there we go, http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html, first item there |
| 18:58.44 | selckin | why can't key2 still be down? |
| 18:58.55 | ZorbaTHut | running a program is explicitly allowed under the copyright code. |
| 18:59.00 | foxlit | No, why doesn't the OnClick fire when you release it |
| 18:59.00 | Shirik | define owner |
| 18:59.20 | ZorbaTHut | yes, that's the tricky part, isn't it? if all software is "licensed", then the person running it isn't the owner |
| 18:59.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:59.30 | ScytheBlade1 | My sudoku solver is broke good |
| 18:59.37 | ScytheBlade1 | First line: 689 999 959 |
| 18:59.41 | ZorbaTHut | but as I recall, the courts have generally been leaning towards "if it looks like a sale, and acts like a sale, and everyone thinks it's a sale, then it's a sale" |
| 18:59.44 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 looks right |
| 18:59.46 | Thrae | Alright, time to figure out some good minimalist addons.... |
| 18:59.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: yup |
| 19:00.41 | Shirik | oh shit! |
| 19:00.43 | Thrae | I'm going to keep PerfectRaid. Any other suggestions? Bar addons, etc. to hide all kinds of crap. |
| 19:00.47 | Shirik | It was in the Blizzard judgement I found thsi! |
| 19:00.50 | Shirik | That's right, I remember now |
| 19:01.17 | nevcairiel | US law is weird, i prefer my local copyright laws |
| 19:01.19 | Shirik | Ninth Circuit law holds that the copying of software to RAM constitutes âcopyingâ for purposes of section 106 of the Copyright Act. MAI Sys. Corp. v. Peak Computer, Inc., 991 F.2d 511, 518-19 (9th Cir. 1993). Thus, if a person is not authorized by the copyrightholder (through a license) or by law (through section117, which will be discussed below) tocopy the software to RAM, the person is guilty of copyright infringement because the perso |
| 19:02.09 | Thrae | Haha, "software to RAM" |
| 19:02.34 | sacarasc | WTF? Kinda hard to not run something without it copying to RAM |
| 19:02.38 | selckin | so i make a website, use some javascript library i slam a license on saying nobody i allowed to use it, watch my http log and start collecting the money? |
| 19:03.03 | ScytheBlade1 | sacarasc: welcome to the new, brilliant age of the DMCA |
| 19:03.10 | Shirik | sacarasc: Fact of the matter is you are licensed to copy it |
| 19:03.17 | ZorbaTHut | sure, and that's why I say it's dubious. One court has gone that way, but the law clearly states the other, and nobody else has won a case based on that |
| 19:03.19 | Shirik | if you're not licensed to copy it, then you are infringing copyright |
| 19:03.24 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, the DMCA is actually a different issue here ;) |
| 19:04.03 | Shirik | It has been argued that if you are given permission to use the software, then that implies the right to copy it as a necessary step |
| 19:04.06 | ScytheBlade1 | If you read the full briefing, you'll find that the DMCA was cited numerous times and was a large factor in getting that ruling to come out that way |
| 19:04.15 | ZorbaTHut | ah, you're right, that one was heavy DMCA |
| 19:04.23 | Shirik | I can sum up DMCA in one line |
| 19:04.30 | Shirik | Everything's illegal. Except when we don't want it to be. |
| 19:04.33 | ScytheBlade1 | "You broke the law"? |
| 19:04.39 | ZorbaTHut | sorry, my mistake - the DMCA itself isn't an integral part of the copyright law in question, but in this case, it sounds like they were arguing that it was part |
| 19:04.53 | ScytheBlade1 | hey Shirik |
| 19:05.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Write my sudoku solvePuzzle() method for me |
| 19:05.10 | Shirik | Can I put a copyright on it? |
| 19:05.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, but I'll remove it |
| 19:05.19 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 19:05.22 | Shirik | Sudoku should be easy, actually |
| 19:05.26 | Shirik | make a recursive constructor |
| 19:05.36 | ScytheBlade1 | constructor? o_) |
| 19:05.40 | Shirik | Sure |
| 19:05.51 | NightHawkTheSane | constructor? i hardly know her! |
| 19:05.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That's how I had it initially actually |
| 19:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I broke it out to another method for code simplicity until I get the stupid thing working |
| 19:06.10 | Shirik | What does your solvePuzzle look right now |
| 19:06.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Right now it's blank :) |
| 19:06.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably the third time I've started it over |
| 19:06.39 | Shirik | ok well show me what you have |
| 19:08.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet |
| 19:09.05 | ScytheBlade1 | That round, my second line: 999 995 999 |
| 19:09.41 | Shirik | one more and you can be sure that each row will have different numbers |
| 19:09.46 | Shirik | so each column will have all numbers |
| 19:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | the funny thing is, last night it wasn't working 100% but at least it didn't give me rows of 9s |
| 19:10.34 | Shirik | showmishowmi |
| 19:10.55 | nevcairiel | Put a copyright on it, or Shirik will steal it |
| 19:11.18 | Shirik | This line is copyright (c) 2009 Matthew P. Del Buono |
| 19:11.24 | Shirik | You all violated my copyright |
| 19:11.28 | Shirik | suing you all |
| 19:11.31 | nevcairiel | by reading? |
| 19:11.41 | selckin | your irc client copied it! |
| 19:11.43 | Shirik | your computer copied it from your ethernet line |
| 19:11.45 | Shirik | to your RAM |
| 19:11.54 | nevcairiel | You send it to me |
| 19:11.58 | Shirik | no |
| 19:12.00 | Shirik | your ISP send to you |
| 19:12.03 | Shirik | I'm suing your ISP too |
| 19:12.20 | zenzelezz | I never realized Shirik was Jack Thompson's long lost child |
| 19:12.36 | Shirik | Maybe I could get rich like that lady that sued mcdonalds for hot coffee |
| 19:12.54 | nevcairiel | thats a typical US case |
| 19:13.21 | nevcairiel | hey i'm dumb and i dont know that coffee is hot, i sue you for not telling me in big red letters |
| 19:13.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Personally I don't think that person is dumb |
| 19:14.09 | ScytheBlade1 | They pulled millions out of a company for something incredibly trivial |
| 19:14.18 | nevcairiel | The US law is dumb for allowing that |
| 19:14.19 | ScytheBlade1 | That takes real talent ;) |
| 19:14.31 | AbsolutRayne | Bloodycold outside |
| 19:14.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: meh, i bet the lawyers were brilliant |
| 19:14.42 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 19:14.48 | Shirik | Don't know what you're talking about AbsolutRayne |
| 19:14.53 | nevcairiel | ~weather edhi |
| 19:15.08 | nevcairiel | and its snowing :( |
| 19:15.09 | AbsolutRayne | its like |
| 19:15.21 | AbsolutRayne | maybe -10 or -15c out |
| 19:15.27 | AbsolutRayne | Blowing snow |
| 19:15.28 | Shirik | where do you live? |
| 19:15.34 | AbsolutRayne | Alberta |
| 19:15.36 | Shirik | name an aiport |
| 19:15.42 | AbsolutRayne | Edmonton international |
| 19:15.55 | AbsolutRayne | YEG i think |
| 19:15.55 | Shirik | ~weather CYEG |
| 19:16.08 | Shirik | damn |
| 19:16.11 | Shirik | damnnnnnnnnnnn |
| 19:16.16 | Shirik | ^ Why I like the south |
| 19:16.27 | AbsolutRayne | I cant stand warm weather |
| 19:17.15 | Thrae | Wow, we have the background image as an ad now...haven't seen that one before! |
| 19:17.20 | Syzgyn | ~weather ATL |
| 19:17.27 | Syzgyn | ~weather IATA |
| 19:17.29 | Shirik | Thrae: on wowi? |
| 19:17.35 | Syzgyn | gah |
| 19:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: s/I/K/ |
| 19:17.44 | Thrae | Shirik: Yep |
| 19:17.49 | Shirik | Happens from time to time :) |
| 19:17.52 | Syzgyn | ~weather KATA |
| 19:18.00 | Shirik | Syzgyn: KATL |
| 19:18.05 | Syzgyn | ~weather KATL |
| 19:18.06 | Shirik | FAA codes are shit |
| 19:18.08 | Shirik | screw the FAA |
| 19:18.12 | Syzgyn | srsly |
| 19:18.14 | Shirik | they do everything wrong |
| 19:18.23 | Shirik | Except allowing only C++, C, and Ada |
| 19:18.24 | Shirik | that's good |
| 19:18.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ~weather kslc |
| 19:18.33 | ccox|sleep | ~weather SJC |
| 19:18.39 | selckin | ~weather EBGT |
| 19:18.44 | Shirik | l2icao! |
| 19:18.47 | selckin | fail its from the site |
| 19:18.49 | Shirik | All ICAO codes are 4 letters! |
| 19:18.49 | Syzgyn | it needs to be warmer here |
| 19:19.06 | ccox | ah, some match airport codes and some don't |
| 19:19.07 | NightHawkTheSane | your MOM is 4 letters |
| 19:19.24 | Shirik | It is an airport code |
| 19:19.34 | ccox | ~weather KSJC |
| 19:19.52 | Shirik | When you tune to it on ILS, the code you receive is 4 letters, not 3 |
| 19:19.53 | ccox | nope, SJC is the airport code here |
| 19:20.07 | Shirik | for some reason the FAA decided "It's always K in US, so we'll just skip the K" |
| 19:20.13 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 19:20.14 | Shirik | And then everything went to hell |
| 19:20.30 | Shirik | But when you tune into the ILS, it's always 4 letters. Same for ATIS |
| 19:20.54 | AbsolutRayne | Soooo |
| 19:21.00 | AbsolutRayne | With PitBull 4.0 |
| 19:21.00 | Shirik | maybe not ATIS |
| 19:21.08 | AbsolutRayne | I cant edit seperate texts on the UFs? |
| 19:21.26 | Shirik | NOTAMs use the 4 letter code though |
| 19:21.44 | Shirik | That's another stupid US work arond for laws lol |
| 19:21.57 | Shirik | You know Disney basically uses FAA regulations in the same way the industry uses DMCA? |
| 19:22.22 | Shirik | The FAA doesn't allow permanent no-fly zones. So instead, every 23 hours, Disney issues a 24-hour temporary no-fly zone over their resorts |
| 19:22.31 | Shirik | with a NOTAM alert |
| 19:22.53 | AbsolutRayne | nm found what I wanted |
| 19:22.59 | ccox | FAA does have permanent no-fly zones - but only for military |
| 19:23.20 | ccox | and disney is right - based on their fireworks display every single night |
| 19:23.33 | Shirik | I meant commercial no-fly zones |
| 19:23.45 | Shirik | And I agree that disney is right |
| 19:23.47 | Shirik | But still |
| 19:23.52 | Shirik | it's a horrible workaround for a law |
| 19:23.55 | Shirik | just like DMCA's use |
| 19:23.59 | AbsolutRayne | And I cant edit seperate bars on different UFs either? >_< |
| 19:24.05 | AbsolutRayne | ckknight: poke |
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| 19:25.06 | Stanzilla | AbsolutRayne: use layouts |
| 19:25.07 | Stanzilla | :O |
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| 19:25.19 | Stanzilla | create a layout for "target" one for "player" etc |
| 19:25.34 | Shirik | Iriel! |
| 19:27.10 | AbsolutRayne | Stanzilla: ty :) |
| 19:28.39 | Iriel | hey folks |
| 19:28.45 | Iriel | Shirik! |
| 19:28.58 | Shirik | Are you incredibly busy right now? |
| 19:29.09 | Shirik | Or do you have time to run a program and see if it locks up instead of starting up? |
| 19:29.38 | Iriel | What's it written in? |
| 19:29.41 | Shirik | Java |
| 19:29.50 | Iriel | sure I can run it |
| 19:29.58 | Shirik | Requires SE 6 |
| 19:29.59 | nevcairiel | It'll eat your babies |
| 19:30.06 | Shirik | Are you on 64 or 32 mac? |
| 19:30.18 | Iriel | Java 6 ONLY comes in 64 bif flavor on macs |
| 19:30.21 | Iriel | bit |
| 19:30.23 | Shirik | oh really? |
| 19:30.33 | nevcairiel | And i thought there wasnt even any Java6 for macs yet |
| 19:30.41 | foxlit | Nah, it's been out for a few months |
| 19:30.42 | Iriel | Yes, it's a source of contention around the eclipse folks who dont have a 64 bit version of their UI |
| 19:31.08 | Iriel | yeah, it's been out for a good while, it''s not the default yet, but it's out |
| 19:31.14 | nevcairiel | I only rememberd that Apple was extremly slow in adapting theJava VM |
| 19:31.40 | Thrae | Oh that's right. I used Bongos, but it seems it hasn't been updated by Tuller. ...Ah, now it's Dominos. |
| 19:31.47 | Shirik | Well let me package the 64 bit library instead then |
| 19:31.47 | Shirik | one sec |
| 19:32.36 | Shirik | What's the difference between Cocoa and Carbon? |
| 19:32.48 | AbsolutRayne | ckknight: Stanzilla got me <_< |
| 19:32.55 | ckknight | k |
| 19:33.02 | foxlit | Carbon is a C API |
| 19:33.11 | AbsolutRayne | ckknight: But this new version of PitBull is really nice. Alot easier to handle than 3.0. Awesome work :) |
| 19:33.14 | foxlit | Cocoa is an Objective-C API |
| 19:33.24 | Shirik | is there any other real difference? |
| 19:33.25 | ckknight | AbsolutRayne: yea, I really need to work on it some more |
| 19:33.26 | Shirik | You can run both? |
| 19:33.29 | AbsolutRayne | Just gotta get used to the Profiles thing <_< |
| 19:33.34 | AbsolutRayne | er |
| 19:33.36 | AbsolutRayne | Layouts |
| 19:33.38 | AbsolutRayne | rather |
| 19:33.38 | foxlit | Yes, you can. |
| 19:33.39 | nevcairiel | I believe Cocoa integrates better in the UI |
| 19:33.40 | ccox | yes, Cocoa is a high level, heavy widget API |
| 19:33.47 | ccox | Carbon is a low level, lightweight API |
| 19:34.29 | Iriel | Carbon is the old (OS 9 + OSX) API |
| 19:34.36 | Iriel | Cocoa is the new (OSX) API |
| 19:34.47 | ccox | Cocoa is the older API - it's NextStep 1987 renamed... |
| 19:35.06 | ccox | Carbon was evolving and updating, despite it's background |
| 19:35.32 | ccox | Cocoa, well, it's still NextStep 1987 |
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| 19:36.43 | Iriel | I guess the distinction apple makes is that Cocoa is an API for developing OSX applications, and Carbon is a 32 bit API for developing OSX applications. |
| 19:37.03 | ccox | yeah, a recent change in their story |
| 19:37.13 | Shirik | Iriel: So, it's safe to assume all OS X users have a 64 bit system? |
| 19:37.13 | ccox | guess they got tired of paying 2 guys to maintain Carbon |
| 19:37.22 | Iriel | All INTEL OSX users, yes |
| 19:37.27 | Shirik | I don't know enough about mac systems |
| 19:37.28 | ccox | NO |
| 19:37.31 | Iriel | I'm not sure what the non-intel story is? |
| 19:37.34 | Iriel | Or am I wrong there? |
| 19:37.41 | ccox | The first MacIntel iMacs were not 64 bit capable |
| 19:37.48 | Iriel | I've only got "fresh" hardware and access to fresh hardware, so I dont know the legacy story |
| 19:37.55 | Iriel | ccox: Can they run the more recent OSX'es? |
| 19:37.56 | Shirik | what's the justification for only a 64-bit JVM? |
| 19:38.05 | ccox | Iriel: yes, but only in 32 bit |
| 19:38.14 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the justification for 10.4 requiring Firewire? |
| 19:38.16 | AbsolutRayne | ckknight: About the only complaint I really have, is the fact that I cant Copy / Paste colors like in the old one |
| 19:38.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing, they just want users to upgrade |
| 19:38.27 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 19:38.29 | AbsolutRayne | Or just the ability to put in RGB |
| 19:38.30 | ScytheBlade1 | s/Firewire/USB/ |
| 19:38.33 | ccox | Shirik: with apple, who knows -- I swear they make decisions with a Magic 8 Ball (TM) |
| 19:38.33 | ScytheBlade1 | One of the two, I forget |
| 19:38.34 | ckknight | AbsolutRayne: yea, that's an AceConfig/default Blizz thing |
| 19:38.48 | Shirik | Iriel: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=12511 |
| 19:38.53 | foxlit | There is, theoretically, such a thing as PPC64 |
| 19:39.00 | nevcairiel | Just install one of those enhanced color picker addons :) |
| 19:39.07 | Shirik | If it does happen to lock up, don't kill it yet :) I want you to try something if you don't mind |
| 19:39.37 | ccox | Some apps shipped for PPC64, mostly using a 64 bit server and 32 bit UI client |
| 19:40.09 | foxlit | Shirik: http://developer.apple.com/java/ |
| 19:40.58 | Iriel | Shirik: It starts, prints out its current directory, but doesn't open any windows |
| 19:41.07 | foxlit | "Java SE 6 is available on 64-bit, Intel-based Macs only." |
| 19:41.07 | AbsolutRayne | ckknight: How do I turn of this Snap To the frames are doing O_o |
| 19:41.18 | Shirik | Okay, can you do this for me Iriel? |
| 19:41.39 | ccox | foxlit: lame |
| 19:41.43 | Shirik | Send SIGQUIT to the process and copy-paste the output to something like pastey? |
| 19:41.53 | ccox | but, of course, Apple wants everyone to buy new hardware |
| 19:41.58 | Fisker- | hey Shirik |
| 19:42.02 | Fisker- | is it alright if i hate you? |
| 19:42.09 | foxlit | everyone wants everyone to buy new everything :) |
| 19:42.16 | Shirik | Fisker-: You already do |
| 19:42.38 | ccox | foxlit: no, some of us actually think about customers and supporting them... |
| 19:42.51 | Fisker- | i do? |
| 19:42.54 | nevcairiel | ccox: not your boss :) |
| 19:42.56 | ccox | Fisker-: you'll have to join the long line |
| 19:43.02 | foxlit | You don't want to sell them the newest version of whatever it is you're doing? |
| 19:43.06 | AbsolutRayne | Cant seem to find it |
| 19:43.15 | Iriel | Shirik: It's not responding to that |
| 19:43.23 | Shirik | uh |
| 19:43.27 | Shirik | it's still running right? |
| 19:43.35 | ccox | foxlit: not always, no |
| 19:43.44 | Iriel | Shirik: Yes, |
| 19:43.48 | Shirik | It's Java that responds to that, not my program :/ So unless I destroyed the VM... |
| 19:44.06 | ccox | foxlit: and the latest version has to play well with much older versions |
| 19:44.11 | Iriel | or locked it up in native code somewhere |
| 19:44.24 | ccox | foxlit - not everyone can afford to upgrade, and not everyone upgrades instantly |
| 19:44.53 | Shirik | What about Ctrl+\ Iriel? |
| 19:45.01 | Shirik | Did you run it in a terminal? |
| 19:45.03 | Iriel | Shirik: Are you using SWT? |
| 19:45.06 | Shirik | Yes |
| 19:45.31 | Iriel | Shirik: /is/ there an OSX Java 6 version of that? Eclipse can only run in 1.5 on my macs |
| 19:45.36 | Iriel | because of SWT |
| 19:45.41 | Shirik | I dunno actually |
| 19:46.13 | nevcairiel | What exactly do you use that requires Java6? |
| 19:46.25 | Iriel | Oh, hang on a sec, I wasn't launching it in the right VM 8-) |
| 19:46.29 | ccox | Java: write once; tweak, reconfigure, update, and pray everywhere |
| 19:46.37 | Shirik | I forget nevcairiel, there's quite a few things |
| 19:46.58 | Shirik | Java 6 has been out forever. If apple wasn't full of fail they'd have let Sun do it imo |
| 19:47.00 | Iriel | ccox: To be honest I find if you use core java (not some esoteric UI libraries) java relaly is write once run almost anywhere |
| 19:47.20 | ccox | Iriel: yes, if you write very, very simple code |
| 19:47.22 | Shirik | Yes, really the problems I'm running into are because I'm trying to handle web browsers in the app |
| 19:47.23 | Iriel | Shirik: Ok, so now I have 2 windows, still no action, let me try SIGQUIT |
| 19:47.31 | Shirik | Iriel: 2 windows, no content? |
| 19:47.43 | Iriel | ccox: I disagree, but you're coming across like a java hater so i'm not sure I want to continue the discussion. |
| 19:48.40 | ccox | I don't hate Java, I just don't like Java -- over promised, under delivered, and still a religion for some people |
| 19:48.43 | Iriel | Shirik: http://wow.pastey.net/108329 |
| 19:49.00 | Shirik | <3 |
| 19:49.09 | nevcairiel | Felix? |
| 19:49.12 | Shirik | I'm trying to get as many sources of this so I can pin down where this is happening |
| 19:50.28 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Felix is an OSGi implementation |
| 19:51.03 | nevcairiel | Is that still your updater? |
| 19:51.25 | nevcairiel | You seem to be stuffing it with libraries and other stuff :) |
| 19:51.33 | ScytheBlade1 | He's good at that |
| 19:51.47 | Shirik | Psh :P It's not that big |
| 19:51.55 | Iriel | The OSGi inclusion makes sense |
| 19:51.57 | Shirik | 5MB including libraries is hardly a large download |
| 19:52.09 | Iriel | I'm not sure why vanilla swing was insufficient but i'm sure there's a reason |
| 19:52.25 | Shirik | I needed a way to support web browsers in the app |
| 19:52.43 | Iriel | Shirik: So the windows I get are "MMOUI User Interface Manager" and 'No Services Installed" - if that helps? |
| 19:53.11 | Shirik | yup, same as Arrowmaster |
| 19:53.14 | Shirik | so at least it's consistent |
| 19:53.33 | Shirik | thanks Iriel |
| 19:54.23 | Iriel | Shirik: What's at com.mmoui.manager.Main.main(Main.java:223) |
| 19:55.44 | Shirik | that's a barrier object it's waiting on |
| 19:55.46 | Shirik | It's waiting for... |
| 19:56.26 | Shirik | Felix to start up? |
| 19:57.04 | Shirik | that's odd |
| 19:57.34 | Shirik | oh sorry it's not a barrier, it's just a binary semaphore |
| 19:57.42 | Shirik | that inits to 0 |
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| 19:58.20 | |pez| | So, I just watched a friend down Sarth with three dragons up. |
| 19:58.23 | |pez| | Looked hard. |
| 19:58.32 | zenzelezz | it is |
| 19:58.34 | Shirik | that's interesting though Iriel, I didn't notice that |
| 19:59.17 | batrick | hey shirik, I just added try block catch (error) block end to Lua |
| 19:59.20 | batrick | it's pretty sweet |
| 19:59.57 | Iriel | Shirik: Is it possible you deadlocked yourself? |
| 20:00.08 | Shirik | possible, though it confuses me why that would only happeon on OS X |
| 20:00.09 | AbsolutRayne | Gah! |
| 20:00.11 | AnduinLothar | wtf, prot pallies get a silence? i could almost pvp prot now... |
| 20:00.16 | AbsolutRayne | No custom background color?! :( |
| 20:00.20 | Iriel | could be a race condition? |
| 20:00.34 | Shirik | Well it ALWAYS happens on OS X, and haven't seen one report on Linux or Windows |
| 20:01.09 | Shirik | I literally wrote the code that this is happening in like... 4-5 months ago so I'm having to decipher it a little bit too so :) |
| 20:02.05 | Shirik | do you have a log file anywhere, Iriel? It should be in.... |
| 20:02.22 | Shirik | Application\ Support or something |
| 20:02.28 | Shirik | I forget, let me check my logs |
| 20:02.32 | Iriel | Shirik: I'm looking at (possibly incomplete) dissassembly of main |
| 20:02.40 | Shirik | do you want the code? :) |
| 20:02.45 | Iriel | Shirik: and I can't figure out how startupBarrier is ever suposed to work |
| 20:02.47 | Iriel | yes please |
| 20:03.20 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/108330-kh1i |
| 20:03.41 | Stanzilla | AbsolutRayne: "other" => "background" in the layout |
| 20:03.58 | Iriel | Shirik: You never put any permits into your semaphors |
| 20:04.04 | Shirik | I know |
| 20:04.26 | Shirik | They're used to synchronize startup. So someone will wait on the semaphore while another thread is starting up, and then release it when it's finished |
| 20:04.35 | Iriel | but it has no permits |
| 20:04.39 | Shirik | Right |
| 20:04.42 | Iriel | so in theory even the first acquire should block? |
| 20:04.45 | Shirik | So thread A needs to wait for thread B to start up |
| 20:04.50 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: huh? |
| 20:04.53 | Shirik | thread A blocks on the semaphore, thread B is initializing |
| 20:05.02 | Shirik | thread B never acquires anything |
| 20:05.04 | Shirik | it just starts |
| 20:05.16 | AbsolutRayne | Stanzilla: That just gives me a border background, really. What I meant was the Background Color of the Health UF played off what the filled is. So what ends up happening is my dark red UI has an even darker red BG on the Frame, so in effect |
| 20:05.17 | Shirik | when it's finished, it releases the semaphore and thread A is unblocked |
| 20:05.20 | AbsolutRayne | Cant see shit, captain |
| 20:05.21 | Iriel | Oh, I see what you're doing |
| 20:05.22 | AbsolutRayne | :/ |
| 20:05.49 | Stanzilla | hm :/ |
| 20:05.53 | Stanzilla | gotta ask ckknight about that |
| 20:06.05 | AnduinLothar | So... pally buffs for 3.1... pally nurfs for 3.1.1? |
| 20:06.06 | Iriel | Shirik: May I suggest you do |
| 20:06.14 | Iriel | Shirik: finally { startupBarrier.release() } |
| 20:06.27 | Shirik | I was just thinking the same thing but I can't decide |
| 20:06.27 | Iriel | in your InitializationTask |
| 20:06.29 | ckknight | AbsolutRayne: make the empty opacity smaller, then |
| 20:06.36 | Shirik | If something goes wrong the app is going to crash anyway |
| 20:06.38 | Iriel | because right now if it throws an exception we're scerewed |
| 20:06.41 | Iriel | how? |
| 20:06.42 | Shirik | Though I guess I could handle it more gracefully that way |
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| 20:06.48 | Shirik | Because if Felix isn't initialized nothing's going to work :) |
| 20:07.03 | Iriel | Yes, but you've got a child thread that threw an exception and main is sitting there sitting on its hands |
| 20:07.09 | Iriel | your app will never exit |
| 20:07.12 | Shirik | true |
| 20:07.16 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 20:07.21 | AnduinLothar | have to force quit |
| 20:07.27 | AnduinLothar | = lame |
| 20:07.43 | zenzelezz | sometimes a little force ups the excitement |
| 20:07.45 | Iriel | The second you use semaphors or other non 'block-based' locking schemes you MUST start using finally |
| 20:07.50 | Iriel | or your app will irritate the world |
| 20:07.56 | Iriel | that's been my experience anyway |
| 20:08.17 | Shirik | haha |
| 20:08.23 | Shirik | don't worry, all my other synchronizations do that :) |
| 20:08.38 | Shirik | But like I said, I wrote this 5 months ago when I wasn't quite thinking about everything else |
| 20:08.40 | Iriel | Fix this one and give me an update to try 8-) |
| 20:09.36 | Shirik | wait, seriously |
| 20:09.42 | Shirik | I catch an exception and try to write it to the log |
| 20:09.49 | Shirik | but don't release the semaphore |
| 20:09.49 | Iriel | yes, but you dont release the semaphore |
| 20:09.54 | Shirik | that's.... stupid |
| 20:09.57 | Iriel | indeed |
| 20:09.58 | AnduinLothar | gg |
| 20:10.07 | Iriel | Plus an Error would skip right past that block |
| 20:10.14 | AbsolutRayne | So wierd playing a Rogue |
| 20:10.15 | Iriel | as would an error happening INSIDE your catch block |
| 20:10.16 | AbsolutRayne | So many empty spaced |
| 20:10.18 | Iriel | thus the finally |
| 20:11.00 | Shirik | ok I give you a new version of the jar. Keep the libraries there, just replace the main jar |
| 20:11.16 | Shirik | can you accept dcc? |
| 20:11.35 | AnduinLothar | i can |
| 20:11.42 | Iriel | I have no idea, try it 8-) |
| 20:12.17 | Shirik | oh wait it was AnduinLothar not Arrowmaster reporting the bug |
| 20:12.18 | Shirik | haha |
| 20:12.21 | Shirik | Too many long A names |
| 20:12.46 | AnduinLothar | :P |
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| 20:13.41 | AnduinLothar | no change |
| 20:13.49 | AnduinLothar | and you left that debug in still |
| 20:14.02 | Shirik | oops |
| 20:14.04 | Shirik | let me delete that, lol |
| 20:14.15 | Shirik | can you take a new thread dump for me? |
| 20:14.26 | AnduinLothar | still cant quit when it fails to populate the windows |
| 20:14.28 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 20:15.25 | Iriel | http://wow.pastey.net/108332 |
| 20:16.30 | AnduinLothar | http://wow.pastey.net/108333 |
| 20:16.45 | Shirik | What worries me is AWT-EventQueue-0 |
| 20:16.55 | Iriel | I dont think it should |
| 20:17.11 | Iriel | main is blocked again at line 223 |
| 20:17.17 | Shirik | I see that |
| 20:17.25 | Shirik | also at com.mmoui.manager.Main$InitializationTask.loadModules(Main.java:436) |
| 20:17.27 | Iriel | Pastey your new main |
| 20:17.59 | Iriel | Wait |
| 20:18.02 | Iriel | I see your problem |
| 20:18.06 | Iriel | you broke the cardinal rule |
| 20:18.11 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:18.14 | Iriel | "only EVER interact with swing on the main swing thread" |
| 20:18.20 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 20:18.24 | Shirik | I learned that after I wrote this code |
| 20:18.25 | Shirik | :) |
| 20:18.32 | zenzelezz | Shirik just can't get enough of swinging |
| 20:18.59 | Shirik | http://wow.pastey.net/108334-1hla |
| 20:19.03 | p3lim | CancelUnitBuff doesnt work on druid shapes, what does? :/ |
| 20:19.04 | Shirik | Wait, 436 is just a JOptionPane |
| 20:19.14 | Iriel | SO? |
| 20:19.21 | Iriel | it's still a swing interaction |
| 20:19.33 | Iriel | you should always dispatch those to run on the right thread |
| 20:19.35 | Shirik | wait what thread is that in |
| 20:19.58 | Iriel | Your task service thread |
| 20:20.30 | Iriel | I dont know that framework so I dont know what thread that is |
| 20:21.52 | Shirik | so what, should I use invokeLater()? |
| 20:22.00 | Iriel | I think so |
| 20:22.01 | Shirik | for a JOptionPane? |
| 20:22.17 | Shirik | that seems a bit odd |
| 20:22.22 | Iriel | or invokeAndRun |
| 20:22.36 | Iriel | Well, your're not exactly doing "normal" threading |
| 20:22.56 | Iriel | and I'll admit event handing is a bit of an exception case |
| 20:23.25 | Iriel | Sorry, I meant to type exception handling |
| 20:23.49 | Iriel | You may find invokeAndWait is better |
| 20:24.09 | Iriel | (which I also meant to type instead of invokeAndRun -- I shouldn't read one thing while I type another, it's confusing my tiny mind) |
| 20:24.39 | Iriel | http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/javax/swing/SwingUtilities.html#invokeAndWait(java.lang.Runnable) |
| 20:24.55 | Iriel | The key sentence: This method should be used when an application thread needs to update the GUI. |
| 20:25.20 | Iriel | (though invokeLater says the same thing) |
| 20:25.37 | Iriel | I find it helpful to imagine the UI as some normally wholly disconnected entity from the rest of your app |
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| 20:26.01 | Iriel | though since I spend most of my paid life working on web apps, it's an easy jump to make 8-) |
| 20:26.20 | AbsolutRayne | Ok, im retarded |
| 20:26.30 | AbsolutRayne | I keep forgetting about the Gradient on my UI |
| 20:26.32 | AbsolutRayne | -_- |
| 20:26.43 | Shirik | ok well |
| 20:26.45 | Shirik | try this one Iriel |
| 20:26.55 | Shirik | I wrapped up that JOptionPane call in invokeAndWait() |
| 20:27.16 | selckin | Shirik: http://mindprod.com/jgloss/swingthreads.html |
| 20:27.37 | foxlit | butbutbut, swing? |
| 20:27.59 | selckin | whats wrong with swing? |
| 20:28.08 | Shirik | nothing |
| 20:28.28 | foxlit | I just thought swing and swt were not intersecting. |
| 20:28.37 | selckin | http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/uiswing/concurrency/dispatch.html |
| 20:28.45 | selckin | he's just using swt for the browser i think |
| 20:28.47 | Iriel | Shirik: Are you going to send me a file to try? |
| 20:28.55 | Shirik | yeah |
| 20:30.03 | Shirik | http://wow.pastey.net/108337-30gk |
| 20:30.21 | AnduinLothar | popup didn't come up this time |
| 20:30.39 | Iriel | Now I only get 1 window |
| 20:30.41 | Iriel | boggle |
| 20:30.48 | Shirik | that means one thing to me |
| 20:30.56 | Shirik | It means the swing thread is already locked up |
| 20:31.58 | AnduinLothar | and you didn't delete that debug |
| 20:32.57 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:33.33 | AnduinLothar | http://wow.pastey.net/108338 |
| 20:33.44 | Shirik | ok, really fixed now AnduinLothar |
| 20:38.17 | Shirik | ok well thanks AnduinLothar / Iriel |
| 20:38.21 | haste | the cats are afraid of a rabbit |
| 20:38.31 | Shirik | I"m not quite sure what I'm going to do but I'm 99% sure where the issue is |
| 20:38.39 | haste | the largest one is like.. 3x the rabbit :p |
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| 20:41.24 | Shirik | AnduinLothar or Iriel, want to try one last thing? I disabled a component, I want to make sure that's the component that's having issues |
| 20:42.13 | Iriel | sure I guess |
| 20:42.39 | Iriel | Your startup() method has simialr locking problems to the earlier one |
| 20:43.03 | Iriel | I think you're coupling your UI too tightly to your underlying code |
| 20:43.15 | Shirik | during the initialization I did, yes |
| 20:43.22 | Shirik | I'm thinking about how to change that |
| 20:43.22 | Iriel | Shirik: works now |
| 20:43.29 | Shirik | ok |
| 20:43.40 | NightHawkTheSane | http://stevenf.tumblr.com/post/78115371/stars |
| 20:43.51 | Shirik | thanks |
| 20:44.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, yey |
| 20:44.13 | ScytheBlade1 | my sudoku solver works |
| 20:44.36 | AnduinLothar | works eh? |
| 20:44.38 | Shirik | Is it brute force? |
| 20:45.11 | Iriel | I wrote one of those too, mine was constraint based with brute force exploration when there wasn't a single choice |
| 20:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, pretty much Iriel |
| 20:45.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm taunting my friend with it |
| 20:45.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Who, a few years ago wrote a *raw* brute force solver in python |
| 20:45.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Left it running overnight |
| 20:45.42 | Iriel | I meant to turn it into a 'sudoku dufficulty estimator' |
| 20:45.48 | Shirik | lol ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:45.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Woke up to a dead laptop |
| 20:45.56 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:46.08 | Shirik | yay python |
| 20:46.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Room smelled of burnt electronics, and he knew what had happened |
| 20:48.12 | selckin | notting i hate more then coming with new passwords |
| 20:49.03 | nevcairiel | Your laptop burned out from some cpu usage? |
| 20:49.22 | Shirik | omg, we found this awesome thing with one of my ex-roommates (now co-worker's) laptop |
| 20:49.33 | Shirik | Whenever we leave his laptop in the lab, the lab lights never turn off |
| 20:49.36 | Shirik | (they're automated) |
| 20:49.39 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:49.44 | Shirik | For the longest time we couldn't figure uot what was going on |
| 20:50.02 | nevcairiel | Automated lights using heat-triggered person detection? |
| 20:50.07 | Shirik | one day I said to him "Hey your fan stopped making that strange noise" "Yeah it just stopped one day, it's nice isn't it?" |
| 20:50.13 | Shirik | Then I say to him "no... your fan stopped" |
| 20:50.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:50.16 | ScytheBlade1 | looooooooooool |
| 20:50.22 | Shirik | So we feel it |
| 20:50.25 | Shirik | and it's like burning hot |
| 20:50.35 | Shirik | A few days later we realize the sensor is literally right above the place where he sits |
| 20:50.40 | Shirik | we're convinced it's detecting the laptop |
| 20:50.48 | ScytheBlade1 | totally saw that coming |
| 20:50.58 | nevcairiel | is that thing still alive? |
| 20:51.01 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0eMZhxZfghczbkgcoMcsut << thoughts (DK talents)? |
| 20:51.01 | Shirik | yup |
| 20:51.10 | Shirik | surprisingly it doesn't seem to need the fan |
| 20:51.14 | Shirik | though it does get really hot |
| 20:51.20 | nevcairiel | that cant be good |
| 20:51.25 | Shirik | he has a new laptop already |
| 20:51.30 | Shirik | he just uses the old one |
| 20:53.43 | Shirik | Now here's my favorite part of open source |
| 20:53.54 | Shirik | Iriel and AnduinLothar and I have now uncovered a problem with a library |
| 20:53.57 | Shirik | it can be fixed!! |
| 20:54.26 | Iriel | Shirik: You know, if you changed your overly complex semaphore system to just wait for the tasks to finish you'd probably have a happier main |
| 20:54.29 | amro | java? |
| 20:54.42 | Shirik | yeah I know Iriel :P |
| 20:54.50 | nevcairiel | Shirik likes complicated |
| 20:54.53 | Shirik | but it's not Main that has causes the problem |
| 20:54.56 | nevcairiel | so he can stay up to 5am and fix it |
| 20:55.05 | Iriel | Ah, your new problem is elsewhere? |
| 20:55.18 | Shirik | To fix the issue, I commmented out code from another file |
| 20:55.19 | p3lim | Anyone got any idea why CancelUnitBuff() doesnt work on shapeshifts? |
| 20:55.23 | p3lim | http://wow-p3lim.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/Inomena/BuffFrame.lua |
| 20:55.26 | Shirik | It's during the initialization process of one of the libraries |
| 20:55.32 | Iriel | p3lim: Yes, because you can cancel a buff insecurely |
| 20:55.43 | Iriel | p3lim: but shapeshifts are 'too powerful' so they need a secure call |
| 20:55.46 | p3lim | How do I make it secure then? |
| 20:55.46 | Iriel | so you use cancelform |
| 20:55.53 | Shirik | I just removed the component that was causing the problem |
| 20:56.06 | Shirik | Whether or not I want that to be a permanent solution is in debate |
| 20:56.11 | p3lim | Its through an addon Iriel |
| 20:56.14 | Iriel | I dont play any shapeshift class actively so I forget the details |
| 20:56.21 | Iriel | Use a secure action button with the appropriate macrotext? |
| 20:56.34 | Shirik | p3lim: It doesn't because people were using it to break around things |
| 20:56.38 | Shirik | e.g., |
| 20:56.46 | haste | It's also not recommended to onupdate pull the timers from UnitAura and friends :p |
| 20:56.54 | Shirik | If I have less than 30 mana, cancel cat form, cast cat form |
| 20:57.00 | Shirik | s/mana/energy/ |
| 20:57.11 | Shirik | free energy |
| 20:57.27 | nevcairiel | They changed that behaviour either way :) |
| 20:57.31 | Shirik | still |
| 20:57.34 | Shirik | that's what it was being used for |
| 20:57.37 | foxlit | Shirik: that's too simple! |
| 20:57.58 | foxlit | "if I will have less than 30 energy after this GCD, cancel cat..." |
| 20:58.20 | Shirik | ok fine |
| 20:58.25 | p3lim | But other addons can cancel forms just fine |
| 20:58.32 | p3lim | haste: what do you mean by that? |
| 20:58.33 | Shirik | no they can't |
| 20:58.39 | haste | p3lim: cache it |
| 20:58.43 | Shirik | oh addons |
| 20:58.46 | Shirik | thought you said classes |
| 20:58.47 | p3lim | the time? |
| 20:58.51 | haste | yes |
| 20:58.53 | haste | what else? |
| 21:00.00 | p3lim | dunno |
| 21:02.22 | amro | haste: the pile of gold |
| 21:02.39 | nevcairiel | a cache full of gold is always nice |
| 21:02.47 | haste | I wish my functions would return pile of gold everytime I called them :( |
| 21:02.54 | haste | piles* |
| 21:03.21 | nevcairiel | I would be happy for 1c for every download of my addons =P |
| 21:03.50 | selckin | my mate plays an mmo that rewards addon writes with ingame stuff |
| 21:04.05 | selckin | can't recall the name :\ |
| 21:04.17 | nevcairiel | i could care less for ingame stuff |
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| 21:04.28 | amro | piles of REAL gold |
| 21:04.35 | nevcairiel | indeed! |
| 21:04.40 | foxlit | colloquy transcripts: so unwieldy that they freeze colloquy. |
| 21:04.41 | nevcairiel | or cookies |
| 21:05.05 | amro | I would settle for cookies |
| 21:05.36 | nevcairiel | one cookie for every user |
| 21:08.51 | Shirik | header("Set-Cookie: cookie=allforshirik"); |
| 21:12.43 | ckknight | selckin: Runes of Magic |
| 21:13.36 | nevcairiel | thats the only way they get people to write stuff for them though =P |
| 21:13.52 | ckknight | hehe |
| 21:13.55 | ckknight | there were addons before |
| 21:13.58 | ckknight | now there's lots more |
| 21:16.47 | ckknight | overall, the lua environment is horrible compared to WoW, though |
| 21:16.58 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/108342 |
| 21:17.30 | foxlit | That behavior is seriously annoying me :( |
| 21:20.11 | Iriel | hm, wierd |
| 21:20.25 | Iriel | why the 2 register for clicks? |
| 21:20.38 | AbsolutRayne | Utgarde Keep LF1M Tank. Theres a Druid, Warrior and Pali in the group |
| 21:20.40 | AbsolutRayne | -_- |
| 21:20.54 | foxlit | Iriel: copy/paste malfunction in contrived example |
| 21:21.05 | foxlit | Copied one line too many, evidently. |
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| 21:21.13 | Iriel | foxlit: is the same true for regular keys? |
| 21:21.21 | foxlit | As in, A, B? |
| 21:21.31 | Iriel | yes |
| 21:21.41 | foxlit | yes |
| 21:22.00 | foxlit | It only ever appears to fire one release event |
| 21:22.02 | Iriel | so they have a single depth 'currently pressed' stack |
| 21:22.47 | Iriel | I can certainly imagine several uses for a multi-key depth |
| 21:22.48 | foxlit | It'd odd, really |
| 21:22.52 | Iriel | though i'm not sure how many makes sense |
| 21:23.02 | foxlit | I'd imagine that the DX API would fire "hey, he released a key!" event regardless |
| 21:23.11 | Iriel | what if you press A, press B, release A, release B |
| 21:23.15 | foxlit | same thing |
| 21:23.49 | p3lim | Anyone here good with SecureTemplates? |
| 21:24.38 | foxlit | p3lim: we know where to find the code to look at. Ask a question :) |
| 21:25.10 | p3lim | Trying to make my buff frames secure so the shapes can be cancelled |
| 21:25.14 | p3lim | atleast giving it a try |
| 21:25.18 | foxlit | You're screwed. |
| 21:25.26 | p3lim | already? |
| 21:25.28 | foxlit | yes |
| 21:25.31 | p3lim | how come= |
| 21:25.42 | foxlit | You can't access buff information from secure environments |
| 21:26.25 | p3lim | Took a look at SecureActionButton_OnClick |
| 21:26.45 | foxlit | Your problem isn't so much that you can't make a button that'd cancel a buff |
| 21:27.27 | foxlit | It's more that you won't be able to properly show/hide those buttons in combat |
| 21:27.55 | p3lim | Am I the only one with this problem or something? |
| 21:27.57 | p3lim | :/ |
| 21:28.19 | foxlit | Well, it only really affects druids |
| 21:28.51 | p3lim | So there is no buff addons that supports druids? |
| 21:29.10 | nevcairiel | Just click the stance bar like every normal druid does =P |
| 21:29.13 | foxlit | They don't support canceling forms |
| 21:29.20 | Shirik | Well |
| 21:29.25 | Shirik | can't they cast the form? |
| 21:29.29 | p3lim | Yeah |
| 21:29.34 | foxlit | Not from an unprotected frame |
| 21:29.39 | Shirik | So make it protected |
| 21:29.47 | Shirik | I'm missing the issue here I guess |
| 21:29.49 | foxlit | Then you won't be able to know when you should actually cast |
| 21:30.00 | p3lim | My shapeshift macros are on Dominos buttons, but thats not the issue |
| 21:30.24 | selckin | ruins of magic movie looks like its a shameless copy of wow |
| 21:30.56 | p3lim | selckin: link? |
| 21:30.58 | foxlit | "Am I trying to cancel a form or Dampen Magic" question is unanswerable from within a restricted environment |
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| 21:31.25 | selckin | http://www.runesofmagic.com/en/videos,id6,art_fighting.html |
| 21:31.43 | foxlit | nor is "How many buffs do I have?" |
| 21:31.57 | foxlit | Although, heck, I'm wrong |
| 21:32.05 | foxlit | You can actually implement this in a semi-coherent way |
| 21:32.27 | p3lim | Cant remove rogue stealth neither |
| 21:32.28 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: ping |
| 21:32.35 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 21:32.43 | foxlit | p3lim: it's doable |
| 21:32.52 | p3lim | foxlit: how? |
| 21:32.53 | Shirik | can you run a command and tell me its output? |
| 21:32.54 | foxlit | Set up a single "secure" buff frame |
| 21:33.03 | AnduinLothar | mmhmm |
| 21:33.09 | p3lim | just one? |
| 21:33.16 | foxlit | Just one. |
| 21:33.18 | foxlit | You can tell when you enter/exit stealth/forms. |
| 21:33.31 | foxlit | So your restricted environment would know when to show/hide that secure frame |
| 21:34.15 | Shirik | bah you can't do that |
| 21:34.20 | Shirik | let me write a quick class file for you |
| 21:34.32 | p3lim | selckin: lol the start there gave me an odd feeling of Molten Core |
| 21:34.46 | selckin | p3lim: i had the exact same feeling |
| 21:34.59 | selckin | the cave is totally mc |
| 21:35.08 | foxlit | The rest of the code is just making your insecure execution can play around your secure frame |
| 21:35.15 | p3lim | troll after, Uldaman or something :p |
| 21:36.13 | p3lim | too much effects for my taste |
| 21:37.38 | p3lim | foxlit: what attributes to use? |
| 21:37.45 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: Run java prop os.name |
| 21:38.16 | foxlit | p3lim: macrotext would work for the actual cancelling |
| 21:38.37 | foxlit | And someone had a mod that'd let you show/hide frames based on macro conditions. |
| 21:38.48 | p3lim | if i would use macrotext, wouldnt I be able to fix the "issue" with druid shapes too? |
| 21:39.05 | AnduinLothar | os.name = Mac OS X |
| 21:39.10 | Shirik | wow |
| 21:39.11 | Shirik | that's easy |
| 21:39.22 | Shirik | one more |
| 21:39.26 | Shirik | java prop os.arch |
| 21:39.29 | Shirik | and <3 you AnduinLothar |
| 21:39.39 | AnduinLothar | os.arch = x86_64 |
| 21:39.44 | Shirik | <3 |
| 21:40.10 | Aquavette | lua > .99 ^ 127 |
| 21:40.18 | Aquavette | hmmm, did it wrong |
| 21:40.20 | foxlit | p3lim: yes. |
| 21:40.21 | Shirik | get rid of the space |
| 21:40.31 | Aquavette | lua>.99^127 |
| 21:40.31 | lua_bot | Aquavette: 0.27904208858506 |
| 21:40.34 | foxlit | I self-contradicted on all counts there |
| 21:40.44 | foxlit | ("foxlit: Although, heck, I'm wrong") |
| 21:40.47 | Aquavette | so f####### tired |
| 21:41.10 | Shirik | I might go to school to get a bite to eat |
| 21:42.28 | AbsolutRayne | No raid frames with Pitbull4? O_o |
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| 21:49.20 | Stanzilla | AbsolutRayne: nope :) |
| 21:49.25 | Stanzilla | (not yet) |
| 21:49.32 | AbsolutRayne | Stanzilla: :< |
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| 21:49.56 | Stanzilla | ckknight is a busy man! :P |
| 21:50.19 | ckknight | I'm sick :( |
| 21:54.26 | foxlit | I wonder who linked http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvvCenLdbT8 |
| 22:03.06 | Tekkub | in the head |
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| 22:24.37 | AbsolutRayne | Its a sad, sad day when you wipe in vault |
| 22:25.24 | selckin | trash? |
| 22:25.37 | AbsolutRayne | Boss. Apparently people are attrat |
| 22:25.39 | AbsolutRayne | er |
| 22:25.43 | AbsolutRayne | attracted to fart clouds |
| 22:26.18 | haste | mmm, -50% hit |
| 22:26.19 | selckin | trash has nasty debuff i've died to with sleeping healers and tanking 3 mobs |
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| 22:31.28 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, there's no unique identifier for world objects, is there? :/ |
| 22:32.04 | Tekkub | uh, I would assume there is since the dataminer sites track them |
| 22:32.28 | ZorbaTHut | the dataminer sites all seem to have their own numbering systems |
| 22:33.06 | Tekkub | lies! |
| 22:33.07 | Tekkub | http://www.wowhead.com/?object=1731 http://thottbot.com/o1731 |
| 22:33.51 | ZorbaTHut | interesting. any idea how to get that number? |
| 22:34.12 | amro | it's probably saved in cache |
| 22:34.15 | Tekkub | rip apart the wdb files? |
| 22:34.22 | amro | ^ |
| 22:34.35 | ZorbaTHut | bah, I want something from ingame >_< |
| 22:34.45 | Tekkub | won't happen |
| 22:35.10 | ZorbaTHut | you can get unique numbers for most other things that way :P unfortunately, not this, apparently |
| 22:35.39 | Tekkub | you really only get ids when they're exposed by links or the raw combat log |
| 22:35.49 | Tekkub | they won't just give us access to it |
| 22:35.51 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, but that's enough for virtually everything else |
| 22:36.12 | Tekkub | we asked many times for questids, they refused, but then exposed them when they added linking quests |
| 22:36.27 | ZorbaTHut | sigh. why must they make my life so much harder |
| 22:36.42 | Tekkub | well users will never need to link nodes in chat, and they're not needed in the combat log |
| 22:37.01 | amro | ZorbaTHut: your life's ambition is cataloguing wow world objects ingame? :P |
| 22:37.02 | Tekkub | they're not the ones making you do whatever you're doing |
| 22:37.07 | Tekkub | it's all your own doing |
| 22:37.17 | ZorbaTHut | amro, hey, I run Questhelper, it's just something I gotta do. :) |
| 22:45.11 | NightHawkTheSane | *sigh* maximum of 12 more gifts to get, probably less, and i still need 1 more candy. >< |
| 22:45.26 | Codayus_ | Ouch |
| 22:46.23 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: BUT HOW DO I INSTALL IT??!?!?!?! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14990947000&sid=1 ;) |
| 22:46.44 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, I think he posted on the curse.com page also :P |
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| 22:46.54 | ZorbaTHut | someday I'm gonna have to rig up an installer for people like that |
| 22:47.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ZorbaTHut: bad idea. Then you'll have to support an installer too |
| 22:48.17 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: auctioneer did it. we even had this nifty build script on Linux that'd set up the installer and stuffs nice and clean like. people still claimed it was a trojan. |
| 22:48.41 | bleeter | similar happened with the QT app we used to build on Linux for OSX/Win32... people would say it was a trojan. just can't win. |
| 22:49.00 | bleeter | (this is even with publishing the entire source for both) |
| 22:49.17 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, sure, people'll do that. I'll provide it, they can use it or not if they want. |
| 22:49.28 | ZorbaTHut | I mean hell, people still say that QH logs passwords somehow. :P |
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| 22:52.07 | foxlit | You clearly do it through evil addon code |
| 22:52.25 | foxlit | them .lua's be stealing your keys, mon! |
| 22:55.55 | Tem | ZorbaTHut, evil things steel passwords |
| 22:55.59 | Tem | QH is clearly evil |
| 22:56.05 | Tem | QH steals passwords |
| 22:56.28 | Tekkub | I sure as fuck don't trust Zorbo |
| 22:56.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 22:56.57 | ZorbaTHut | tem, logically I cannot refute that :( |
| 22:57.09 | foxlit | sure you can |
| 22:57.16 | foxlit | just attack either of the premises |
| 22:57.28 | bleeter | this convo kinda reminds me.. about time to start thinking of April 1st addon designs again |
| 22:57.56 | ZorbaTHut | oh yeah, I need to go implement that. |
| 22:58.33 | foxlit | I wonder if there's a generic deductive resolver somewhere |
| 22:58.41 | foxlit | That'd take a set of logical expressions and figure out the implications |
| 22:58.52 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, prolog? :) |
| 22:59.11 | Tekkub | QuestHelperPremium |
| 22:59.24 | Tekkub | automatically completes quests for you |
| 22:59.43 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, I've actually considered packaging up Progress Quest as "QH Premium" |
| 23:00.09 | Tekkub | hell drop QH and go with HH |
| 23:00.10 | foxlit | "Now you can get all your favourite addons for $99.99.... .... .... each" |
| 23:00.12 | Tekkub | HandHolder |
| 23:00.19 | bleeter | i'm trying to think of an apr 1st design.. but can't go past last years win of HighRoller :/ |
| 23:00.44 | bleeter | that thing set the standard, imo |
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| 23:01.27 | foxlit | "The Ice Stone has melted" |
| 23:01.30 | Tekkub | Tauren Beer Goggles... like the gnomish ones, except makes everyone in to a sexy red gstring male tauren... in a harness! |
| 23:01.36 | Tekkub | already been done |
| 23:01.45 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: what you really need is some kinda interaction with Golbin Therapist, so when people ask in trade 'How do I do [quest link]' it fires up a convo with them ;) |
| 23:01.49 | foxlit | Rickrolls have already been done |
| 23:02.18 | bleeter | man my healers <3 goblin therapist ;) |
| 23:02.33 | Tekkub | PenisMightier |
| 23:02.39 | ZorbaTHut | that would be excellent |
| 23:02.49 | bleeter | PenIsMightier? |
| 23:02.57 | bleeter | some kinda drawing program thing? |
| 23:03.55 | Tekkub | are you hung like a gnome? Dr. Beefsteak can help you pleasure her in bed. Make your little hotdog into a prime cut of steak |
| 23:04.17 | bleeter | s/steak/tauren/ |
| 23:04.23 | Tekkub | ** Has no effect on taurens |
| 23:06.00 | Tekkub | FullBodyCondom... protect yourself while questing in Storm Peaks |
| 23:06.27 | Thrae | Anyone use oUF? Do you need to enter its coordinates manually? |
| 23:06.36 | Tekkub | coords? |
| 23:06.59 | Thrae | Yeah, its position on the screen. I tried all kinds of button combinations to move it. |
| 23:07.22 | Tekkub | you define the layout in lua just like any other frames |
| 23:08.28 | Thrae | Right, so oUF_Classic or oUF_Lily don't have click&drag... |
| 23:09.24 | Thrae | And when I meant oUF, I meant the templates. |
| 23:09.38 | Thrae | Errr, already implemented ones that is. I just wanted something simple. |
| 23:10.02 | Tekkub | yes, you'll need to edit the lua to move the frames |
| 23:10.13 | Tekkub | I know you can do it! |
| 23:10.33 | Thrae | Bleh. I'll just add in drag & drop. |
| 23:10.41 | selckin | thats bloat man |
| 23:10.54 | Tekkub | totally, you're only gonna position em once :P |
| 23:11.33 | Thrae | True, but that one time will be annoying |
| 23:11.42 | foxlit | Anything more recent around than ttp://www.iriel.org/wow/docs/SecureHeadersGuide%20-%20pre1.pdf ? |
| 23:11.57 | Thrae | haste: nevermind, pong |
| 23:12.01 | Tekkub | and writing drag and savedvars won't be? :P |
| 23:12.19 | haste | on two chans! |
| 23:12.27 | Iriel | foxlit: No, hopefully there will be a new version whenever we resolve the temporary fixes from 3.0.8 |
| 23:12.28 | Thrae | Tekkub: Eh, copy 'em from PerfectTargets which I never updated |
| 23:12.47 | Tekkub | ass |
| 23:12.55 | foxlit | Iriel: Alright. Was just walking through bookmarks and figured "hm, do I need to update this one". |
| 23:13.14 | Iriel | foxlit: not yet 8-) |
| 23:13.15 | Tekkub | Iriel, u giev soj? |
| 23:13.31 | foxlit | gief /latest/ redirect? :) |
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| 23:52.34 | cbreak | yay, my guild just killed Sart with 2 drakes :D |
| 23:54.10 | Shirik | grats |
| 23:54.27 | foxlit | But did you bring 4 hunters required to make that kill count? |
| 23:54.41 | cbreak | no :/ |
| 23:54.43 | cbreak | only three |
| 23:55.04 | cbreak | but we had two warlocks! |
| 23:55.30 | cbreak | they are at least as evil as hunters |
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