| 00:02.30 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 00:02.38 | NightHawkTheSane | thats amusing |
| 00:03.35 | bleeter | cog|work: then there's the crowd who are blaming the 'greens' |
| 00:04.02 | bleeter | then there's the crowd who are blaming the victorian forestry dept. |
| 00:04.08 | bleeter | then the crowd blaming the fire dept. |
| 00:05.04 | bleeter | oh, then there were all the arsonists who started the fires (turns out maybe only two fires started by arson) |
| 00:08.38 | MentalPower | bleeter: are either you or norgs close to the fires? |
| 00:09.02 | MentalPower | (or any others from down-under) in the channel |
| 00:10.28 | bleeter | MentalPower: I'm closer than norgs, afaik, but I'm like... 600km's away, and 200kms of that is a stretch of water ;) |
| 00:11.23 | bleeter | though iirc kandoko's from around there (ie, at least same state), but prolly wrong |
| 00:11.29 | bleeter | confusing him with someone else |
| 00:17.13 | Kandoko | aye you are I believe bleeter |
| 00:17.18 | Kandoko | :D |
| 00:19.21 | bleeter | hmm |
| 00:19.40 | bleeter | MentalPower: I'm sure 'we' have someone from Melbourne-ish area... /shrug |
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| 00:19.57 | foxlit | "She points right at Lucianâs Spire, tells you where he is, and then tells you to go through fire, blood, and darkness in the opposite direction." |
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| 00:22.31 | Lunessa | foxlit: But she's always a woman to you? |
| 00:23.23 | foxlit | "No, the writer wants you to listen to the evil guy monologue without your stupid character intruding on his beautiful story." |
| 00:24.55 | Lopeppeppy | Whine, whine, whine. |
| 00:25.57 | foxlit | "Build cells. Put workers in cells. Assign rotating shifts of guards stand and watch over the cells for weeks until the workers starve to death. What exactly is the point of all this again? You know you can just shoot people, right Lucian?" |
| 00:26.30 | cloudwolf | ok wtf XD |
| 00:26.37 | foxlit | There's a series of blog posts over at http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/ about the Fable 2 story line. |
| 00:26.44 | foxlit | They're amusing :) |
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| 00:30.17 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 00:30.58 | Cide | when will you learn python? |
| 00:31.12 | amro | when he comes to his senses |
| 00:31.34 | Cide | damn, I'd hoped he would learn it some day |
| 00:32.16 | foxlit | "And so you survive not because youâre strong or resourceful, but because the bad guy was a fool, you were lucky, and your dog was smarter than either of you." |
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| 00:34.18 | foxlit | "She tells you to âbe carefulâ, but of course the game wonât actually let you behave cautiously. You just have to plunge headlong into trouble and hope the writer doesnât screw you too badly." |
| 00:40.20 | Arrowmaster | i think im about to be the first on the server with the love fool title |
| 00:41.34 | Adys | people still dont have it? |
| 00:42.02 | Arrowmaster | mending 20 hearts takes a while |
| 00:42.11 | Adys | no it doesnt |
| 00:42.17 | Adys | Ive ment like 40-50 by now |
| 00:42.20 | NightHawkTheSane | it does if you don't get any goddamn bracelets |
| 00:42.24 | Adys | what? |
| 00:42.27 | Adys | they're 100% droprate |
| 00:42.31 | NightHawkTheSane | no, they're not |
| 00:42.38 | Adys | yes.. yes they are |
| 00:42.46 | NightHawkTheSane | nope |
| 00:42.56 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22259 |
| 00:42.58 | Adys | 95% |
| 00:43.05 | Adys | because whreader sucks |
| 00:43.13 | Cide | that's very far from 100%, mathematically speaking. |
| 00:43.22 | NightHawkTheSane | I've gotten several gifts/pledges of adoration that have had zero bracelets in them |
| 00:43.26 | Cide | it means that you miss out on an infinity of bracelets in the limit |
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| 00:43.55 | Adys | ~whalezero cide |
| 00:43.56 | purl | ACTION summons Hubert the Mathematician Whale to create a black hole aimed at cide's body through a powerful unhandled division by zero. |
| 00:44.08 | foxlit | "The ceremony of ultimate (albeit ambiguous) destiny takes place on a precarious platform at the heart of the Spire. Only good guys use handrails." |
| 00:44.53 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: ive gotten i think... 10 pledges |
| 00:44.57 | Adys | they all had bracelets |
| 00:45.17 | Adys | 100% or not, if you dont get any, you're unlucky enough to play lottery |
| 00:45.41 | Cide | lua> 1-0.95^10 |
| 00:45.41 | lua_bot | Cide: 0.40126306076162 |
| 00:45.47 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* Like i said, I've gotten several, probably 3-4 at least, probably out of close to 10ish, that have not had any bracelets. |
| 00:46.30 | Cide | Adys: ^ |
| 00:46.36 | Cide | on the other hand |
| 00:46.48 | Adys | yeah well maths can suck my quantum sexual device. |
| 00:47.19 | Cide | missing out on 3-4 is pretty bad |
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| 00:48.38 | Arrowmaster | got my love fool title! |
| 00:48.58 | Shirik | hi Cide |
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| 00:49.27 | Shirik | >>> print "Hi Shirik" |
| 00:49.40 | NightHawkTheSane | I've also had no luck getting bags of candy on one character >< |
| 00:49.49 | NightHawkTheSane | at least i can force the rockets/roses with gift packages |
| 00:49.56 | Arrowmaster | ive gotten 3 of the fucking bags of candy |
| 00:50.01 | Arrowmaster | and i didnt need any |
| 00:50.09 | Adys | beats me |
| 00:50.15 | Adys | ive gotten seven boxes of chocolate |
| 00:50.16 | amro | has anyone gotten laid yet? |
| 00:50.20 | Shirik | I'll show you a bag of candy |
| 00:50.22 | Arrowmaster | i cheated and had a ton of stuff from last year in my mail a month ago |
| 00:50.32 | NightHawkTheSane | amro: not in longer than i care to remember. :( |
| 00:51.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: thanks, but i'm not fond of those mini m&ms |
| 00:51.48 | amro | off to bed, nn |
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| 00:56.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: http://www.asylumsw.com/misc/no_bracelet.png |
| 00:57.14 | Cide | clearly scrolled up! |
| 00:57.27 | Cide | Shirik: not loading it on load still |
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| 00:58.42 | Cide | and apparently it crashes the new xchat client |
| 00:59.17 | Shirik | nice |
| 00:59.51 | Taroven | Quick table question... |
| 00:59.53 | Taroven | inset = self.config.inset or {top = 3, bottom = 3, left = 3, right = 3} |
| 01:00.03 | Taroven | Would that work? |
| 01:00.07 | Cide | yes |
| 01:00.10 | Shirik | would that compile? |
| 01:00.12 | Taroven | Cool. |
| 01:00.14 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:00.19 | Cide | it would work as well |
| 01:00.21 | Shirik | I have no idea what you're trying to do |
| 01:00.32 | Cide | probably use the config's value or fallback to the hardcoded one |
| 01:00.41 | Taroven | Yup. |
| 01:00.43 | Shirik | Cide: You can't prove it will work |
| 01:00.54 | Taroven | Just not terribly good with tables yet. =P |
| 01:01.12 | cloudwolf | btw arrowmaster thank you for yesterday |
| 01:01.16 | Cide | lua> nil or {1, 2, 3 }, true or { 1, 2, 3 } |
| 01:01.16 | lua_bot | Cide: table: 0x80a2030, true |
| 01:01.25 | foxlit | Shirik: but can you prove you exist? |
| 01:01.27 | Shirik | that doesn't prove anything |
| 01:01.48 | Cide | if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound? |
| 01:01.56 | Shirik | lua> self.config = setmetatable({}, {__index = error}); inset = self.config.inset or {top=3, bottom=3, left=3, right=3}; |
| 01:01.56 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'self' (a nil value) |
| 01:01.59 | Shirik | er |
| 01:02.00 | cloudwolf | yes lol |
| 01:02.04 | Shirik | lua> self = {}; self.config = setmetatable({}, {__index = error}); inset = self.config.inset or {top=3, bottom=3, left=3, right=3}; |
| 01:02.05 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: bad argument #2 to '?' (number expected, got string) |
| 01:02.07 | cloudwolf | sound is pressure waves |
| 01:02.11 | Shirik | e.g., |
| 01:02.13 | cloudwolf | if a tree falls it creates pressure waves |
| 01:02.13 | Shirik | 2 errors! |
| 01:02.13 | cloudwolf | :D |
| 01:02.25 | foxlit | What if it falls on the moon? |
| 01:02.53 | Cide | Shirik: if you're being anal, self clearly has a __newindex = error metamethod |
| 01:02.58 | Cide | so your code fails as well |
| 01:03.03 | Shirik | That would mean nothing |
| 01:03.11 | Shirik | We aren't setting any new indexes here |
| 01:03.21 | Cide | self.config = setmetatable(...) |
| 01:03.24 | Cide | we aren't? |
| 01:03.36 | Shirik | Not in his code |
| 01:03.45 | Cide | no, but you can't guarantee that YOUR code will work |
| 01:03.48 | Cide | hence, your argument is flawed |
| 01:03.49 | Shirik | that is the code that I am proving can still cause an error |
| 01:03.51 | Shirik | No |
| 01:03.56 | Shirik | You said his code will work |
| 01:04.00 | Shirik | I'm saying you can't guarantee that |
| 01:04.18 | Cide | that's just because you're trying to defend your inability to understand his intentions :P |
| 01:04.31 | Shirik | I still think it's not what he wanted |
| 01:04.38 | Cide | why wouldn't it be? |
| 01:04.45 | Shirik | personally, I would expect him to want "self.config.inset = self.config.inset or {...} |
| 01:04.55 | Cide | nah |
| 01:05.03 | Cide | self.config should contain user-set values |
| 01:05.17 | Taroven | How bout a little explaination? |
| 01:05.17 | Cide | possibly with __index = tableWithDefaultVAlues |
| 01:05.31 | Taroven | self.config is user-set vars like Cide says |
| 01:05.43 | foxlit | explanation? We don't deal with that around here :) |
| 01:05.46 | Taroven | heh |
| 01:05.47 | Cide | I don't think it should contain the default values |
| 01:06.01 | Cide | from a code design point of view |
| 01:06.10 | Taroven | And it doesn't in this case |
| 01:06.13 | Shirik | on the same note |
| 01:06.16 | Shirik | inset = ... is bad in general |
| 01:06.29 | Taroven | Why's that? |
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| 01:06.54 | Shirik | because it's too common of a name |
| 01:06.58 | Shirik | it should be local inset |
| 01:07.09 | Zootfizzle | Maybe he set it up somewhere else |
| 01:07.16 | Shirik | shhh |
| 01:07.17 | Zootfizzle | Maybe the line above that was "local inset" |
| 01:07.28 | foxlit | anyone who uses it in interruptible code has it coming anyway |
| 01:07.28 | Cide | it's still a good observation in case it wasn't :P |
| 01:07.29 | Shirik | I live in my own fantasy world where I'm always right |
| 01:07.52 | Adys | Shirik: in between your <?php ?> braces |
| 01:07.54 | Zootfizzle | I thought we lived in a fantasy world where it was wrong to make assumptions =( |
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| 01:07.59 | Lopeppeppy | tsk tsk, shirik |
| 01:08.15 | Zootfizzle | I should have known it was the one where Shirik was always right, but I didn't want to make that assumption. |
| 01:08.21 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 01:08.39 | Shirik | maybe I should have been less blunt, but it's better to point that out than ignore it |
| 01:08.47 | Shirik | given not enough information was given to identify either way |
| 01:09.09 | Adys | get me a damn troll rogue already |
| 01:10.11 | Zootfizzle | Taroven: This might help - http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_variable_scoping |
| 01:10.49 | Taroven | Familiar with that, Zootfizzle. |
| 01:14.15 | foxlit | hm, Shirik isn't a bad writer |
| 01:14.27 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:14.51 | foxlit | [[Lua_variable_scoping]] |
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| 01:17.46 | Shirik | oh I wrote that a long time ago :/ I needs some touching up |
| 01:17.48 | Shirik | it* |
| 01:19.43 | cloudwolf | god creating buttons is repetativly anoying |
| 01:20.30 | foxlit | In general, CreateFrame/CreateTexture/CreateFontString are just a bag of pain masquerading as API functions. |
| 01:20.47 | cloudwolf | yeah well im trying to create an options menu for this thing lol |
| 01:21.23 | cloudwolf | and it has 33 buttons i need to make for it |
| 01:21.27 | cloudwolf | plus more later |
| 01:22.16 | Shirik | CreateFrame is good! |
| 01:22.28 | foxlit | "This is unlike many other languages, such as PHP and C, where a variable is always local unless declared global." << C? |
| 01:22.41 | KarlKFI | Options Menu, wut? |
| 01:25.02 | KarlKFI | why are you making buttons and why is it annoying? |
| 01:25.05 | Lunessa | foxlit: I'm boggled. |
| 01:25.22 | foxlit | Better than being blogged, I suppose. |
| 01:26.16 | KarlKFI | javascript is also global is not specified local... |
| 01:26.22 | KarlKFI | might be a scripting language thing |
| 01:26.25 | Shirik | foxlit: Yes? |
| 01:26.37 | Shirik | Perhaps it's oddly stated |
| 01:26.40 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 01:26.44 | cloudwolf | lol karlkfi because i ahve to create 33 buttons for an options menu |
| 01:26.49 | foxlit | You can't use an undeclared variable in C |
| 01:26.51 | Shirik | but if you put a variable inside a function, you ain't accessing it outside |
| 01:26.52 | KarlKFI | what kind of options menu |
| 01:26.53 | cloudwolf | and each button takes about 5 steps |
| 01:26.59 | foxlit | So it has whichever scope you define it at |
| 01:27.03 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:27.08 | Shirik | Like I said |
| 01:27.10 | Shirik | it needs touch up |
| 01:27.43 | foxlit | PHP has this evil global keyword that means you can't see globals unless you explicitly ask for them |
| 01:27.54 | foxlit | I'm not sure I've seen this behavior anywhere else |
| 01:28.02 | Cide | python has that too |
| 01:28.05 | Lunessa | PHP is evil. |
| 01:28.11 | Shirik | lolpython |
| 01:28.17 | Cide | but I'm not sure if you can get globals without it |
| 01:28.19 | Shirik | from _ import __ |
| 01:28.19 | Cide | oh yeah, you can |
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| 01:28.37 | Cide | you just can't set a global value without declaring it global |
| 01:28.46 | TC-Away | it's been so long since my computer has frozen that i was actually surprised when it did |
| 01:29.14 | Shirik | foxlit: Some of the things that are missing from that page |
| 01:29.17 | foxlit | Cide: is the syntax for setting a value to an existing variable and a new variable identical? |
| 01:29.20 | Shirik | (a) The fact that locals are free |
| 01:29.28 | Cide | foxlit: yes |
| 01:29.54 | Shirik | (b) I don't like that variables local to files are a special case, because they're not |
| 01:30.38 | foxlit | It's probably easier to define what a block is |
| 01:30.53 | Shirik | It just needs an overhaul |
| 01:30.55 | Shirik | but I've been quite busy |
| 01:32.40 | foxlit | *cracks whip* |
| 01:32.48 | foxlit | work... faster? |
| 01:33.05 | foxlit | Anyway, naptime |
| 01:33.46 | cloudwolf | damn The Ice Stone has melted! chat spam... |
| 01:34.01 | cloudwolf | they better hot fix that shit... |
| 01:34.52 | Cide | a simple /script would ignore it |
| 01:35.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i think they need cold fix, actually, heat seems to be the issue. |
| 01:35.31 | Adys | thats what 3.0.9 was for |
| 01:35.34 | foxlit | They're doing rolling restarts to address it |
| 01:35.36 | Adys | they added a special function for it |
| 01:35.47 | Adys | HideIceStoneSpam() |
| 01:37.14 | cloudwolf | lies adys! |
| 01:38.12 | foxlit | It's interesting to see how much of their server architecture can be hot-swapped. |
| 01:38.27 | foxlit | Apparently, not a lot of it. |
| 01:38.35 | foxlit | Anyway, about that nap... |
| 01:38.41 | Cide | actually, they named it LowerAzerothCO2Emissions() |
| 01:41.27 | WobWork | I doubt there's much in their infrastructure that can be hotswappable |
| 01:41.50 | WobWork | since they are one of the first biggest mmorpgs |
| 01:42.13 | WobWork | and their growth sort of prevented a well thought out infrastructure =P |
| 01:44.51 | ZorbaTHut | they're fixing it? aww |
| 01:44.58 | ZorbaTHut | but how will we know if our ice stone is melting :( |
| 01:46.41 | Adys | ~melt ZorbaTHut |
| 01:47.43 | Adys | cmd: melt (.*) is ($n): <action>throws ice stones on $n |
| 01:47.48 | Adys | ~cmd: melt (.*) is ($n): <action>throws ice stones on $n |
| 01:48.10 | Adys | ~cmd: melt (.*?) is ($n): <action>throws ice stones on $n |
| 01:48.19 | Adys | ~CMD: melt (.*?) is ($n): <action>throws ice stones on $n |
| 01:48.24 | Adys | ah fuck it, good night |
| 01:48.25 | cloudwolf | if it didn't workt he first time why would it workt he third time? |
| 01:48.37 | Adys | ~ping |
| 01:48.38 | purl | ~pong |
| 01:48.55 | cloudwolf | ~pong |
| 01:48.56 | purl | ~ping |
| 01:48.57 | cloudwolf | aww |
| 01:48.59 | Adys | ~melt ZorbaTHut |
| 01:48.59 | purl | ACTION throws ice stones on ZorbaTHut |
| 01:48.59 | cloudwolf | lol yay |
| 01:49.03 | Adys | ... |
| 01:49.15 | cloudwolf | ~melt cloudwolf |
| 01:49.16 | purl | ACTION throws ice stones on cloudwolf |
| 01:49.20 | cloudwolf | aww |
| 01:49.30 | cloudwolf | purl is laggy |
| 01:49.34 | cloudwolf | hi purl |
| 01:49.38 | cloudwolf | :( |
| 01:51.17 | Lopeppeppy | She's tired. |
| 01:51.58 | Shirik | oh my |
| 01:52.14 | Shirik | new blue shadow fissure is very blue |
| 01:52.23 | NeoTron | good |
| 01:52.30 | NeoTron | no more excuses I day |
| 01:52.31 | Shirik | not good! |
| 01:52.44 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom is very blue |
| 01:53.24 | Shirik | I'm blue dabadee dabadi |
| 01:53.30 | Shirik | or whatever |
| 01:53.38 | Thunder_Child | good song |
| 01:54.05 | Adys | This is the story of a blue guy that lives in a blue world and his stone has melted |
| 01:55.15 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: screenshot or it didn't happen |
| 01:56.51 | cloudwolf | im going to kill myself creating all these GOD DAMN BUTTONS! |
| 01:56.58 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.05 | Adys | hmmmmmmm. |
| 01:57.18 | kd3 | hm, new tools |
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| 01:58.30 | Cide | this is a cool python feature btw |
| 01:58.45 | Cide | >>> def foo((a, b), (c, d)): print a, b, c, d |
| 01:58.55 | Cide | foo((1, 2), (3, 4) => "1 2 3 4" |
| 01:59.00 | Cide | err |
| 01:59.02 | Cide | foo((1, 2), (3, 4)) => "1 2 3 4" |
| 01:59.28 | Adys | you know this is gone in py3k? |
| 01:59.53 | Cide | it is? :( |
| 02:00.01 | Adys | iirc you cant pass anonymous tuples in functions anymore |
| 02:00.08 | Cide | what? |
| 02:00.13 | Adys | you cant do that |
| 02:00.14 | Cide | that's really strange |
| 02:00.19 | Adys | foo((1,2)) |
| 02:00.25 | Cide | why's that? |
| 02:00.34 | Adys | er |
| 02:00.35 | Adys | hold on |
| 02:00.45 | Adys | actually i dont remember |
| 02:01.19 | Adys | check the py3k changelog |
| 02:01.30 | Adys | something concerning passing tuples to functions |
| 02:02.03 | Cide | PEP 3113: Tuple parameter unpacking removed. You can no longer write def foo(a, (b, c)): .... Use def foo(a, b_c): b, c = b_c instead. |
| 02:02.16 | Adys | yeah |
| 02:02.17 | Adys | that |
| 02:02.18 | Cide | that doesn't say you can't do foo((1, 2)) |
| 02:02.25 | Adys | yeah Im confused |
| 02:02.26 | Cide | just not def foo((a, b)) |
| 02:02.55 | Adys | its late |
| 02:02.58 | Adys | its 4am here |
| 02:03.01 | Adys | come change my clock |
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| 02:03.40 | Shirik | If you had Cide's bot installed I might be able to |
| 02:03.42 | Shirik | lolol |
| 02:03.51 | alcaras | Shirik: did you ever finish wowui's updater? (been away from wow for 2months :p) |
| 02:03.59 | Shirik | still in progress |
| 02:04.09 | alcaras | ah, good luck :) |
| 02:07.05 | Shirik | It's approaching beta |
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| 02:07.14 | Shirik | maybe "open alpha" is a better term |
| 02:07.17 | Adys | the same way gmail is approaching rc1? |
| 02:07.23 | Shirik | .. |
| 02:07.36 | NightHawkTheSane | the same way debian 3 is goign to be released one day? oh wait, they got around to that |
| 02:07.38 | alcaras | thank you :) is there a project page to keep track of it? |
| 02:07.48 | Shirik | Not a useful one for you yet |
| 02:08.05 | Shirik | yes, but most of the stuff is hidden atm |
| 02:09.53 | Adys | Cide: you plan to share the pybot's code at some point btw? |
| 02:10.05 | NeoTron | that's what I love with Debian - their very frequent release schedule |
| 02:10.14 | Adys | what release schedule? |
| 02:10.37 | Lopeppeppy | What's a schedule? |
| 02:10.47 | Cide | sure |
| 02:10.52 | Cide | well |
| 02:10.56 | Cide | it might expose exploits :P |
| 02:11.21 | Adys | you mean like php exposes exploits by releasing its source code? |
| 02:11.22 | Adys | (haha!) |
| 02:11.52 | Shirik | anyway alcaras, when the project stabilizes a bit, I will be finishing up the project page |
| 02:12.01 | Cide | yeah, except I might get personally owned :P |
| 02:12.06 | alcaras | shirik: thank you again, best of luck :) |
| 02:12.08 | Shirik | currently the project page only exists for a few reasons (for me to mark bugs that I'm not going to fix until post-release, etc.) |
| 02:12.31 | Adys | It looks like Google penalized one of its own websites. Recently, Google Japan was caught buying blog posts in a promotion campaign for one of its features. (...) Head of Googleâs anti web-spam team Matt Cutts via Twitter writes, âGoogle.co.jp PageRank is now ~5 instead of ~9. I expect that to remain for a while.â |
| 02:12.35 | Adys | owned. |
| 02:13.55 | Adys | right i need sleep, screw the rest. night |
| 02:14.05 | Cide | I'm releasing the source now btw~ |
| 02:14.19 | Adys | screw you too for making me stay up |
| 02:14.29 | Adys | GAH |
| 02:14.32 | Cide | http://pastey.net/108138 |
| 02:14.37 | Adys | whats with people staying quiet all day |
| 02:14.44 | Adys | and talking to me on gtalk the VERY MOMENT i go to bed |
| 02:15.37 | Adys | if len(msg[:201]) == 201: |
| 02:15.39 | Gngsk | they probably slept all day |
| 02:15.39 | Adys | what the hell |
| 02:15.41 | Cairenn|afk | Adys: tell me about it! |
| 02:15.55 | Cide | Adys: what about it? |
| 02:16.06 | Adys | Cide: hows that even supposed to work? |
| 02:16.13 | Adys | Cairenn|afk: let me tell you about it |
| 02:16.29 | Cide | if length exceeds 200 chars, display only the first 200 |
| 02:16.56 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk: You can't talk |
| 02:17.00 | Adys | right |
| 02:17.02 | Shirik | You don't go to bed anyway |
| 02:17.02 | Adys | why not just |
| 02:17.08 | Adys | if len(msg) > 200 |
| 02:17.16 | Cairenn|afk | Adys: Why do you think I'm getting to the point that I don't tell anyone when I'm heading off to sleep any more? The minute I do, I get people yapping at me all over the place and end up being up for at least another 2 hrs, or more |
| 02:17.24 | Cide | if len(msg) > 200: # O(n) and possibly slow for large len(msg) |
| 02:17.44 | Shirik | Use PASCAL strings! |
| 02:17.50 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 02:17.55 | Shirik | You don't get a choice in python |
| 02:17.57 | Shirik | lolololol |
| 02:17.57 | Cide | while I lack full knowledge of slicing, if len(msg[:201]) == 201: # should be roughly O(1) |
| 02:18.30 | Cide | catching an indexerror on msg[200] would also work |
| 02:18.36 | cloudwolf | oh great... |
| 02:18.38 | Adys | len is not a loop, its a c-level calculation on builtins |
| 02:18.45 | Adys | afaik anyway |
| 02:18.48 | cloudwolf | sofar all my work is for nothing due tot he fact that parts of this arn't working! woo.. |
| 02:18.49 | Shirik | strlen? |
| 02:18.53 | Shirik | strlen is a loop |
| 02:18.55 | Shirik | O(n) |
| 02:19.07 | Cide | are you saying python stores a length attribute on strings? |
| 02:19.15 | Cide | I'm not saying it doesn't |
| 02:19.22 | Adys | no |
| 02:19.22 | Adys | er |
| 02:19.25 | Cide | but if it does len(msg) would work as well |
| 02:19.28 | Adys | is msg a string? |
| 02:19.31 | Cide | yes |
| 02:19.42 | Cide | it's the output |
| 02:20.19 | Cide | Shirik: PASCAL strings? |
| 02:20.22 | Adys | and |
| 02:20.40 | cloudwolf | oh i know why... |
| 02:20.45 | Adys | exactly how long do you expect a string to be, to optimize stuff that way? |
| 02:20.50 | Cide | they store the length instead of terminating on \n? |
| 02:20.52 | Cide | er \0 |
| 02:22.03 | Cide | >>> ("abc"*1000).join(["abc"*1000 for a in xrange(10000)]) |
| 02:22.03 | Cide | (bot is not enabled) |
| 02:22.09 | Cide | but that would be pretty long |
| 02:22.15 | Shirik | Cide: Pascal strings, the first byte specifies its length |
| 02:22.23 | Cide | <Cide> they store the length instead of terminating on \n? |
| 02:22.31 | Adys | >>> len(f) |
| 02:22.31 | Adys | 59997000 |
| 02:22.32 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:22.34 | Cide | <Cide> er \0 |
| 02:22.36 | Adys | that came up instantly |
| 02:22.40 | Adys | try it for yourself |
| 02:22.44 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: spammmer! |
| 02:22.54 | WobWork | I hope we don't get blacklisted =P |
| 02:22.59 | Cide | oops, I forgot len() |
| 02:23.05 | Cide | gg |
| 02:23.11 | Adys | ? |
| 02:23.20 | Cide | my interpreter tried to display it |
| 02:23.20 | Shirik | Easy solution: are Python strings 0-safe? |
| 02:23.25 | Shirik | If so, they must have a way of storing the length |
| 02:23.36 | Cide | they obviously do since that was instant |
| 02:24.07 | Shirik | maybe you have a fast computer |
| 02:24.21 | Adys | i got a quad core but who cares :P |
| 02:24.30 | Shirik | especially since strlen() can be vectorized, it's not like it's amazingly slow |
| 02:24.43 | Cide | >>> len(("abc")*100000).join(["abc"*1000000 for a in xrange(1000000)]) |
| 02:24.47 | Cide | MemoryError |
| 02:24.48 | Cide | :D |
| 02:25.21 | Cide | anyway |
| 02:26.00 | Cide | try: msg[200] msg = "%s... Message too long" % msg[:200] except IndexError: pass |
| 02:26.04 | Cide | is probably more pythonic |
| 02:26.07 | Adys | see |
| 02:26.12 | Adys | here is something you should catch |
| 02:26.13 | Adys | >>> f *= 100 |
| 02:26.13 | Adys | ^C^C^CKilled |
| 02:26.13 | Adys | adys@azura:~$ |
| 02:26.29 | Adys | "famous last words" |
| 02:26.32 | Cide | haha |
| 02:27.22 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:27.26 | Cide | Shirik: how do you like lines 74-75 |
| 02:27.31 | Shirik | of what? |
| 02:27.38 | Cide | http://pastey.net/108138 |
| 02:27.57 | Shirik | oh is that how you do it? |
| 02:28.01 | Cide | yes |
| 02:28.15 | Cide | it was the simplest solution I could think of |
| 02:28.32 | Cide | (I'm hoping there aren't other chars I need to catch) |
| 02:28.56 | Shirik | >>> class Foo():\n\tdef __repr__(s):\n\t\treturn """\rQUIT: Goodbye"""\nprint(Foo()) |
| 02:29.00 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:29.05 | Cide | \r too? |
| 02:29.26 | Shirik | where's your bot :( |
| 02:30.55 | Cide | test |
| 02:31.10 | Adys | failed |
| 02:31.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (n=EAndre@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 02:31.32 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
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| 02:32.04 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 02:32.24 | Cide | bot doesn't like this xchat version apparently |
| 02:32.42 | Adys | i really need sleep |
| 02:32.43 | Thunder_Child | or you |
| 02:32.44 | Adys | bye! |
| 02:32.54 | Thunder_Child | bye Adys |
| 02:35.07 | Shirik | He's said that 3 times now, you know |
| 02:37.18 | cloudwolf | i have officialy drivin myself completely anoyed and pissed off with creating 33 buttons |
| 02:37.27 | cloudwolf | and needing to add SO MUCH CRAP FOR EACH ONE.... |
| 02:38.56 | Cide | hey Adys |
| 02:38.56 | Cide | I've written like 300 lines of javascript |
| 02:38.59 | Cide | trust me, I'm more annoyed and pissed off |
| 02:40.22 | cloudwolf | lol what happend to you? |
| 02:40.43 | Shirik | hey hey, Cide |
| 02:40.47 | Shirik | try protecting Java code |
| 02:40.48 | Shirik | that's fun |
| 02:41.05 | Shirik | I have to do that in the new ui manager |
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| 02:41.16 | cloudwolf | lol whys that? |
| 02:41.19 | cloudwolf | so no one hax it? |
| 02:41.37 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20417 |
| 02:41.46 | Shirik | OSGi Interface - The MMOUI Manager now interacts with a framework known as OSGi. This allows ANYONE to write modules for the application so that it can connect to other sites, add in new unpacking utilities (such as if someone wanted to write something to unpack 7zip, for example), etc. The possibilities are endless. |
| 02:41.51 | Kirov | anyone what today's patch did? |
| 02:41.58 | Shirik | Kirov: Let the ice stone melt |
| 02:42.23 | Kirov | ? |
| 02:42.27 | Shirik | heh |
| 02:42.31 | Shirik | you haven't logged in yet, have you? |
| 02:42.47 | cloudwolf | ~melt kirov |
| 02:42.53 | purl | ACTION throws ice stones on kirov |
| 02:42.54 | cloudwolf | did purl die? |
| 02:42.58 | cloudwolf | oh nvm shes just even laggier |
| 02:43.10 | Lopeppeppy | I wish I knew what you guys were all on about. *sigh* |
| 02:43.11 | Kirov | Shirik - I'm sitting in dalaran |
| 02:43.32 | Shirik | Maybe once every 30 minutes or so, everyone gets "The Ice Stone has melted!" in their chat |
| 02:43.33 | cloudwolf | im pushing 700 lines of lua in this addon now XD |
| 02:43.39 | cloudwolf | and almost all of the lines are the same |
| 02:43.41 | cloudwolf | ish |
| 02:44.06 | cloudwolf | lol shirik i had about 20 of those in 5 mins |
| 02:44.08 | Shirik | it comes in as a CHAT_MSG_BG_SYSTEM_NEUTRAL |
| 02:44.10 | cloudwolf | >.> |
| 02:44.19 | Shirik | ok, well my server is kinda low pop, not sure if that has anything to do with it :) |
| 02:45.09 | cloudwolf | lol shirik im on winterhoof right now |
| 02:45.11 | Kirov | wtf |
| 02:45.18 | cloudwolf | you couldn't even make characters on it till about a week ago |
| 02:45.23 | cloudwolf | it was one of the transfer servers |
| 02:45.36 | Kirov | Yeah, I've gotten two since sitting here for the last 6 minutes |
| 02:45.39 | Shirik | :P |
| 02:46.34 | Lopeppeppy | Hope the damn ice melts before I have to go listen to it! |
| 02:51.19 | cloudwolf | :P |
| 02:51.28 | Thunder_Child | so just ignore it |
| 02:51.30 | Thunder_Child | it's not hard |
| 02:51.30 | cloudwolf | tobad even though it melts it doesn't vanish1 |
| 02:55.23 | Cide | it reforms |
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| 03:00.11 | cloudwolf | button repitions fail1 |
| 03:01.11 | cloudwolf | lua> 33*6 |
| 03:01.11 | lua_bot | cloudwolf: 198 |
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| 03:01.14 | cloudwolf | ... |
| 03:01.15 | cloudwolf | wow |
| 03:01.46 | cloudwolf | lua> 196+3*33 |
| 03:01.46 | lua_bot | cloudwolf: 295 |
| 03:01.49 | cloudwolf | ... |
| 03:01.50 | cloudwolf | eww |
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| 03:06.50 | cloudwolf | .... |
| 03:06.54 | cloudwolf | options menus SUCK! |
| 03:08.10 | Kirov | lol |
| 03:09.15 | Kirov | Most of my addons, the code for the options UI is 3-4 times as many lines vs. the actual addon |
| 03:11.40 | cloudwolf | sofar that seems to be how mine is |
| 03:11.47 | cloudwolf | not realy but |
| 03:11.49 | cloudwolf | lets see |
| 03:12.23 | cloudwolf | lua> (33*3)+(33*6)+(33*3) |
| 03:12.23 | lua_bot | cloudwolf: 396 |
| 03:12.34 | cloudwolf | ive added 396 lines of code to my addon for my options menu |
| 03:12.46 | cloudwolf | lua>822-396 |
| 03:12.46 | lua_bot | cloudwolf: 426 |
| 03:12.53 | cloudwolf | ive almost doubled my code length... |
| 03:15.39 | cloudwolf | OH YAY ERRORS |
| 03:15.44 | cloudwolf | god damn... |
| 03:15.46 | cloudwolf | afk a min |
| 03:15.49 | cloudwolf | gota pracitce vocab.. |
| 03:16.21 | Kirov | SimpleRaidTargetIcons = 1459 lines of code total. Lines used for the base addon? 600 |
| 03:16.42 | Kirov | And I could cut that down to around 300 if it weren't for dropo down menus |
| 03:18.45 | Shirik | The Ice Stone has melted! |
| 03:19.04 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
| 03:19.05 | End | Shirik: NO NOT THE ICE STONE |
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| 03:21.27 | kd3 | damn it! 2 picnic baskets now |
| 03:21.31 | kd3 | hatred seething |
| 03:21.52 | cloudwolf | ~melt shirik |
| 03:21.53 | purl | ACTION throws ice stones on shirik |
| 03:22.18 | cloudwolf | .\AddOns\StatDisplay\statdisplay.lua line 139: unexpected symbol near 'if' |
| 03:23.00 | cloudwolf | agib:SetText( if sdt.agi==1 then agib:SetText("Show agi") else agib:SetText("Hide agi")end) |
| 03:23.10 | cloudwolf | ... |
| 03:24.39 | cloudwolf | any one know what i did wrong? |
| 03:25.15 | cloudwolf | fixed it |
| 03:28.13 | Shirik | you.... can't do that |
| 03:28.32 | cloudwolf | shirik i fixed it |
| 03:28.38 | Shirik | agib:SetText(sdt.agi==1 and "Show agi" or "Hide agi"); |
| 03:28.59 | cloudwolf | needed to be agib:Setext(function() if blah then blah else blah end end |
| 03:29.10 | Shirik | set text to function? |
| 03:29.15 | Shirik | Are you sure about that? |
| 03:29.22 | cloudwolf | it works me thinks |
| 03:29.28 | Shirik | is agib a frame? |
| 03:29.41 | cloudwolf | button |
| 03:29.46 | cloudwolf | so yes |
| 03:29.54 | Shirik | And do you want to display function: 0x12345678? |
| 03:30.37 | cloudwolf | you know what ile try and make this work XD so let me try it this way if it doesn't work then ile use the and or |
| 03:31.03 | Shirik | agib:SetText(sdt.agi==1 and "Show agi" or "Hide agi"); |
| 03:31.05 | Shirik | I think that's what you want |
| 03:31.23 | cloudwolf | its prolly going to turn out its waht i want |
| 03:31.30 | cloudwolf | but ide like to try my way first ^^ see if it works |
| 03:32.08 | Shirik | well experimentation is always admirable |
| 03:32.14 | Shirik | it's the best way to learn |
| 03:35.11 | cloudwolf | yep |
| 03:35.15 | cloudwolf | my way didn't work... |
| 03:35.23 | cloudwolf | time to fix 33 damn lines of code again... |
| 03:35.26 | cloudwolf | afk a min |
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| 03:39.52 | cloudwolf | this line |
| 03:39.52 | cloudwolf | srb:SetText( sdt.sr==1 and "Show shadR" or "Hide shadR") |
| 03:39.53 | cloudwolf | gives |
| 03:40.11 | cloudwolf | \AddOns\StatDisplay\statdisplay.lua line 337: attempt to index global 'sdt' (a nil value) |
| 03:40.16 | cloudwolf | O.o why is it nil >.< |
| 03:40.36 | cloudwolf | wait i know why |
| 03:41.53 | cloudwolf | or i don't know why... |
| 03:41.56 | cloudwolf | wtf! |
| 03:42.56 | Arrowmaster | AHAHAH! YES! |
| 03:42.57 | cloudwolf | the base:RegisterEvent("ADDON_LOADED") |
| 03:42.57 | cloudwolf | base:SetScript("OnEvent",statdisplay_onload) |
| 03:43.02 | cloudwolf | wrong thing sorry |
| 03:43.10 | Arrowmaster | 14/14 event achievements! |
| 03:43.17 | Arrowmaster | and its only the first day |
| 03:43.22 | Tem | http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/farnsworth.jpg |
| 03:43.23 | cloudwolf | srb:SetText( sdt.sr==1 and "Show shadR" or "Hide shadR") |
| 03:43.36 | cloudwolf | gives me |
| 03:43.45 | cloudwolf | ..\AddOns\StatDisplay\statdisplay.lua line 337: attempt to index global 'sdt' (a nil value) |
| 03:44.41 | cloudwolf | i think i ahve some issue in the order of my operations |
| 03:44.51 | cloudwolf | which is not cool because im goign to have epic isseus rearanign my code to make it work |
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| 03:45.47 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: 14/14 love is in the air achievements completed already! world first? |
| 03:46.13 | End | Probably not |
| 03:46.17 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know |
| 03:46.21 | Arrowmaster | damn aussies |
| 03:46.49 | Arrowmaster | has to be server first though |
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| 03:47.00 | cloudwolf | *yawn* |
| 03:47.02 | cloudwolf | ok any way |
| 03:47.22 | Shirik|Ecole | Arrowmaster: You are insane |
| 03:47.24 | cloudwolf | simply changing a peice of my code created a huge error where my start table refuses to intialize... |
| 03:47.26 | WobWork | what damn aussies? |
| 03:47.27 | Shirik|Ecole | I haven't even started |
| 03:47.29 | WobWork | we're all at work =P |
| 03:47.39 | End | Server first is plausible< but I wouldn"t even be sure about that |
| 03:48.00 | End | hm, I guess that's why you don't use caps lock to get around a stuck shift |
| 03:48.17 | Arrowmaster | i cheated and had 7/14 right after loggin in and sitting under a picnic basket in dalaran |
| 03:48.31 | Arrowmaster | i used stuff from last year that was in my mail last month |
| 03:48.45 | Aquavette | anyone know what this "downloading updated tools" on the blizzard launcher is? |
| 03:48.53 | kd3 | new launcher and stuff |
| 03:48.58 | Aquavette | ah |
| 03:49.04 | Aquavette | another new launcher, how fun |
| 03:49.21 | cloudwolf | no |
| 03:49.23 | cloudwolf | updatd to the same one |
| 03:49.24 | cloudwolf | lol |
| 03:49.35 | cloudwolf | simply just updated the launcher :P |
| 03:49.56 | cloudwolf | i am going to go insane due to the fact that my table REFUSES TO CREATE THE VALUES IT NEEDS TO! |
| 03:51.27 | Tem | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtX8nswnUKU |
| 03:51.40 | Tem | Every Sentence of the above deserves its own meme |
| 03:52.24 | Arrowmaster | now should i try and do the achievements on my low level alts or stop playing wow until may 1st |
| 03:52.41 | Codayus | Achievements = gamer crack. |
| 03:52.42 | Codayus | Discuss |
| 03:53.02 | Tem | aparently my system is ah mune to crack |
| 03:53.03 | Arrowmaster | hey ive got like 12k on XBL too |
| 03:53.10 | Shirik|Ecole | Cairenn|afk: See Tem's link |
| 03:53.17 | cloudwolf | shirik |
| 03:53.32 | Shirik|Ecole | "I'm her mom!" "No she's not!" <-- lmao |
| 03:54.08 | Tem | WE ARE WINE BOTTLES |
| 03:54.41 | Shirik|Ecole | yes cloudwolf |
| 03:55.09 | cloudwolf | you gave me the srb:SetText( sdt.sr==1 and "Show shadR" or "Hide shadR")? |
| 03:55.20 | Shirik|Ecole | maybe |
| 03:55.27 | cloudwolf | well it casues a glitch :P |
| 03:55.32 | Shirik|Ecole | well it came from your code |
| 03:55.50 | Shirik|Ecole | so if it doesn't work then something else is wrong |
| 03:56.00 | cloudwolf | well it gives me hey look the table is NIL lol |
| 03:56.11 | Shirik|Ecole | then you should probably figure out why sdt is nil |
| 03:56.19 | cloudwolf | funny thing |
| 03:56.29 | cloudwolf | i type run print sdt.blah inc onsole |
| 03:56.30 | cloudwolf | its not nil.. |
| 03:56.47 | ZorbaTHut | then the two refer to different sdt's, perhaps |
| 03:57.02 | cloudwolf | uhm no.. |
| 03:57.09 | cloudwolf | only one sdt in here |
| 03:57.13 | ZorbaTHut | one of the things you have said up to now is false. :) |
| 03:57.16 | Shirik|Ecole | ^ |
| 03:57.24 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know which. But one of them is. |
| 03:57.37 | Shirik|Ecole | I always lie. |
| 03:57.44 | cloudwolf | I'm thinking its due to the order i have these things funcitoning as |
| 03:57.53 | ZorbaTHut | post your code, I'll glance at it |
| 03:57.58 | Tem | I won't |
| 03:58.01 | Tem | I'm going to drink |
| 03:58.02 | ZorbaTHut | you've got about 2 minutes before my flight path finishes. |
| 03:58.03 | cloudwolf | ima try something tho |
| 03:58.05 | cloudwolf | so hold on |
| 03:58.07 | Shirik|Ecole | 'I might make a drink too |
| 03:58.10 | ZorbaTHut | 1:45 |
| 03:58.17 | Shirik|Ecole | rum and iced tea ftw |
| 03:58.20 | Tem | mmm wine |
| 03:58.32 | Shirik|Ecole | walgreens has a special on rum |
| 03:58.37 | Shirik|Ecole | captain morgan's |
| 03:58.40 | Tem | hmmmm |
| 03:58.56 | Tem | I wonder if the ones near me have the same specials |
| 03:59.05 | Shirik|Ecole | 1.75L, $20 |
| 03:59.18 | Cide | captain morgan's ftw |
| 03:59.23 | Cide | ORIGINAL SPICED RUM |
| 03:59.36 | Shirik|Ecole | and it's a nice glass bottle too :) |
| 03:59.50 | Cide | the bottle looks a lot better when full than when empty though |
| 03:59.54 | Shirik|Ecole | yes |
| 03:59.55 | Cide | (in more than one aspect I guess) |
| 04:00.37 | Cide | why rum and iced tea when you can do cuba libre? |
| 04:00.47 | Shirik|Ecole | wha |
| 04:00.49 | Shirik|Ecole | ? |
| 04:00.59 | Cide | rom and coke :P |
| 04:01.05 | Cide | rum |
| 04:01.11 | Cairenn|afk | I prefer this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35FT5DymIHU |
| 04:01.30 | Shirik|Ecole | I can't rum and coke |
| 04:01.37 | Shirik|Ecole | Peppy would kill me |
| 04:01.58 | cloudwolf | i win |
| 04:02.14 | Cide | sadly I don't know any more rum drinks |
| 04:02.28 | Shirik|Ecole | rum and iced tea |
| 04:02.31 | Shirik|Ecole | rum and rum |
| 04:02.38 | Cide | rum and rum is nice |
| 04:02.47 | Cide | which rum is the filler? |
| 04:02.59 | Shirik|Ecole | The one you pour more of, obviously |
| 04:03.05 | Cide | good point |
| 04:07.21 | Shirik|Ecole | So today we wiped a ton during raids |
| 04:07.27 | NightHawkTheSane | heh http://www.fmylife.com/love/26936 |
| 04:07.30 | Shirik|Ecole | and still full cleared wotlk in 5 hours :( |
| 04:09.01 | Shirik|Ecole | muahaha |
| 04:09.07 | Shirik|Ecole | I beat out everyone in healing by 1m! |
| 04:13.58 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf is Ebon Gargoyle? |
| 04:15.22 | NightHawkTheSane | the DK summoned gargoyle? |
| 04:16.19 | Shirik|Ecole | it's not out all the time? |
| 04:16.26 | Shirik|Ecole | I know very little about DKs |
| 04:16.31 | Shirik|Ecole | I did 2k healing to it |
| 04:16.35 | Shirik|Ecole | that's like.. one coh |
| 04:17.19 | Diao | it's summoned with runic power |
| 04:17.22 | Diao | lasts like 1 min at max |
| 04:17.48 | Diao | 3 min cd |
| 04:17.56 | Shirik|Ecole | ah |
| 04:18.21 | Arrowmaster | i thought it used runic power while it was out and disappeared when you hit 0 |
| 04:22.54 | Cide | it does |
| 04:23.14 | Cide | but it has a max duration of 1 min |
| 04:26.17 | Shirik|Ecole | is your head in the game, Cide? |
| 04:26.54 | Cide | it's on my neck last time I checked |
| 04:27.06 | Shirik|Ecole | >>> |
| 04:27.08 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 04:27.11 | Shirik|Ecole | >>> " |
| 04:27.19 | Shirik|Ecole | :< |
| 04:27.21 | Cide | I can't get it to work here |
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| 04:27.28 | Cide | not sure why |
| 04:28.11 | Cide | besides, I'm busy coding python :P |
| 04:28.24 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm busy coding Java |
| 04:28.51 | cloudwolf | LUCKY ME! |
| 04:28.53 | Cide | clearly I have you beat |
| 04:28.57 | Shirik|Ecole | negative |
| 04:29.00 | Shirik|Ecole | does python have OSGi? |
| 04:29.03 | Shirik|Ecole | I DON'T THINK SO |
| 04:29.04 | cloudwolf | my table doesn't save! |
| 04:29.08 | Cide | python has everything |
| 04:29.11 | Shirik|Ecole | NEGATIVE |
| 04:29.21 | Thunder_Child | batrick, ping |
| 04:30.19 | Cide | besides |
| 04:30.29 | Cide | python can run in java |
| 04:30.37 | Cide | so I suppose it does |
| 04:30.45 | Shirik|Ecole | but it needs Java's suppot |
| 04:30.52 | Shirik|Ecole | python is worthless on its own! |
| 04:30.55 | Shirik|Ecole | rawr |
| 04:31.37 | Cide | oh no |
| 04:32.45 | cloudwolf | globals not saving |
| 04:32.47 | cloudwolf | yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:32.56 | Cide | you're doing it wrong |
| 04:33.01 | cloudwolf | i know that... |
| 04:33.05 | cloudwolf | im wondering where im doing it wrong :P |
| 04:33.15 | cloudwolf | im expecting it invovles how i functioned things out |
| 04:33.44 | cloudwolf | i had to function something so that ide remove an error but it hink in doing that i kiled the ability to save the global... |
| 04:33.49 | Cide | DAMN YOU CODE |
| 04:34.22 | Shirik|Ecole | ~~~~~ |
| 04:34.23 | purl | grrrr |
| 04:34.49 | cloudwolf | hi purl |
| 04:34.52 | cloudwolf | maybe |
| 04:34.53 | cloudwolf | bot |
| 04:34.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ~~~~~~~ |
| 04:34.57 | purl | ACTION lets a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh eat nighthawkthesane. |
| 04:35.17 | cloudwolf | purl hax |
| 04:35.17 | purl | i heard hax is cool! he gives me scooby snacks and botsex! |
| 04:35.18 | purI | get of ma moat! |
| 04:35.35 | Shirik|Ecole | ~lart purI |
| 04:35.35 | purl | hauls purI up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 04:37.48 | cloudwolf | ok this is goign to drive me insane |
| 04:37.52 | cloudwolf | if i defunctoin what i functioned then |
| 04:37.55 | cloudwolf | i get an error |
| 04:38.00 | cloudwolf | if i have it funcitoned how i had it |
| 04:38.03 | cloudwolf | it doens't save |
| 04:39.49 | Shirik|Ecole | .... huh? |
| 04:40.51 | Cide | hahahahahaha |
| 04:40.53 | Cide | I have no idea |
| 04:40.54 | Cide | at all |
| 04:43.17 | cloudwolf | ... |
| 04:43.25 | cloudwolf | ok so if i didn't have my code in a function |
| 04:43.48 | cloudwolf | example local framebasic= CreateFrame("Frame") other framey stuff |
| 04:43.57 | cloudwolf | im calling a global and it has issues calling htat global |
| 04:44.17 | cloudwolf | im thinking its becasue its calling the global before the global has been created |
| 04:44.24 | NightHawkTheSane | http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/02/11/most_awesome_van_ever_circa_1 |
| 04:44.50 | cloudwolf | if i make it function makemyframeystuff() framestuff here end and i call it in my onload function so my global has been called first |
| 04:45.02 | cloudwolf | the global inside the frame function fails to save |
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| 04:47.51 | Shirik|Ecole | blah |
| 04:47.56 | Shirik|Ecole | Java doesn't allow synchronized on constructors |
| 04:49.18 | Corrodias | i wonder... nothing else can have a reference to an object until after its constructor has finished |
| 04:49.23 | Corrodias | so would there be a point? |
| 04:49.45 | Shirik|Ecole | well, I would expect it to work like synchronized static functions |
| 04:49.51 | cloudwolf | i tried to make sure thats how mine is set up |
| 04:49.55 | cloudwolf | but some how |
| 04:50.06 | cloudwolf | ile pastey 2 differnt codes |
| 04:50.12 | Corrodias | i could see that being an issue, now that i think about it more |
| 04:51.07 | cloudwolf | http://www.pastey.net/108147 |
| 04:51.09 | cloudwolf | global doesn't save |
| 04:51.41 | Shirik|Ecole | that code. |
| 04:52.00 | Shirik|Ecole | and what does your TOC file look like? |
| 04:53.23 | |pez| | So, I managed to not get my elders. |
| 04:54.06 | cloudwolf | http://www.pastey.net/108148 |
| 04:54.22 | cloudwolf | want me to pastey or just copy and paste my tog? |
| 04:54.34 | cloudwolf | that other one refuses to ahve my global even initialize right |
| 04:54.41 | |pez| | pastey is awesome |
| 04:54.43 | cloudwolf | my non table global works though |
| 04:55.04 | Seerah | honestly, your code is hard to read and looks like a wall of text to me :( |
| 04:55.32 | cloudwolf | http://www.pastey.net/108149 |
| 04:55.37 | cloudwolf | thats my toc |
| 04:55.44 | cloudwolf | and seerah i know my code looks like a huge ass wall of text |
| 04:56.21 | Seerah | first of all, make your sv variable(s) non-generic |
| 04:56.37 | cloudwolf | explain? |
| 04:56.47 | cloudwolf | non generic name you mean? |
| 04:56.59 | Seerah | if any other addon uses globals named hookonoff or sdt (instead of making them addon-specific or locals) then yours will be overwritten |
| 04:56.59 | cloudwolf | hookonoff works just fine |
| 04:57.02 | cloudwolf | its sdt that doesn't |
| 04:57.18 | Cide | argh |
| 04:57.23 | Cide | I suspect I have a race condition somewhere |
| 04:57.28 | Cide | which is bad since it can be exploited |
| 04:57.31 | Shirik | guess what |
| 04:57.34 | Shirik | If you were in Java |
| 04:57.36 | Seerah | chicken butt |
| 04:57.37 | Shirik | YOU COULD HANDLE IT |
| 04:57.38 | Cide | can't identify it tho :/ |
| 04:57.47 | Cide | um, how? |
| 04:57.52 | Shirik | synchronized |
| 04:58.00 | Cide | synchronized? |
| 04:58.12 | Shirik | Java's built-in locking primitive |
| 04:58.14 | Cide | you want xmlhttprequests to be synchronized in an ajax app? |
| 04:58.20 | Cide | it's on the database end |
| 04:58.21 | Shirik | ok fine |
| 04:58.24 | Shirik | java.util.concurrent |
| 04:58.31 | Shirik | take your pick |
| 04:58.39 | Cide | wouldn't help still |
| 04:58.50 | Cide | it's on the database end |
| 04:58.59 | Cide | so I just need to figure out where it is and use SELECT FOR UPDATE |
| 04:59.07 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:59.14 | Shirik | I thought you were still talking about your python app |
| 04:59.14 | NightHawkTheSane | "oh" |
| 04:59.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 04:59.16 | |pez| | cloudwolf: I don't think that is Seerahs point. |
| 04:59.42 | Cide | well it's python code I'm editing :P |
| 04:59.51 | Cide | but the race condition is probably on the database side |
| 04:59.54 | Shirik | Or |
| 04:59.57 | Shirik | l2transaction! |
| 05:00.17 | Cide | they're already in separate transactions |
| 05:00.21 | Cide | since they're separate requests |
| 05:00.42 | cloudwolf | i renamed the global and it didn't fix it.. |
| 05:00.46 | |pez| | cloudwolf: Naming your globals something shiny and unique is good. Cause it means there'll be less problems with other addons. Since it's less likely that you'll find another addon using the same names as you. |
| 05:00.48 | Shirik | but are they atomic transaction |
| 05:01.06 | Shirik | a transactional engine can guarantee that (read: not sucky MyISAM |
| 05:01.11 | Cide | only if you do SELECT FOR UPDATE |
| 05:01.17 | Shirik | negative |
| 05:01.19 | Cide | otherwise you won't get a select lock |
| 05:01.30 | cloudwolf | pez i have renamed the global in questoin that was causing issues |
| 05:01.33 | cloudwolf | it has not fixed the problem |
| 05:01.35 | Shirik | unless this is DB-specific |
| 05:01.39 | Seerah | cloudwolf: I didn't say that it would fix your problem |
| 05:01.45 | Seerah | I just told you to do it :) |
| 05:01.48 | Cide | this is postgresql |
| 05:01.55 | Shirik | and my experiences are with mysql |
| 05:02.04 | cloudwolf | doesn't exactly explain why they don't save like the mofos that they should... |
| 05:02.14 | Cide | no wonder it's so slow |
| 05:02.19 | cloudwolf | seerah there are 2 diff versions 1 doesn't save 1 doesn't even generate sdt |
| 05:02.22 | Hirsute | cloudwolf: Saved per character or per server? |
| 05:02.26 | cloudwolf | just fyi |
| 05:02.31 | cloudwolf | saved in general |
| 05:02.31 | Cide | it locks the whole row in a transaction without SELECT FOR UPDATE? |
| 05:02.36 | Cide | wow |
| 05:02.47 | Seerah | and I told you that I couldn't read your code :P |
| 05:02.50 | Hirsute | cloudwolf: were they ever per-character? |
| 05:02.55 | Cide | unless you're updating there's no reason for an exclusive lock on a full row |
| 05:03.05 | cloudwolf | never per character |
| 05:03.07 | Cide | concurrency ftw |
| 05:03.12 | Hirsute | Okay. |
| 05:03.24 | cloudwolf | hirsute |
| 05:03.32 | Hirsute | Yes? |
| 05:03.34 | Cide | then again, I'm not even sure this is a race condition, but it smells like one |
| 05:03.55 | cloudwolf | http://www.pastey.net/108147 |
| 05:04.02 | cloudwolf | thats the one that refuses to save my global |
| 05:04.10 | cloudwolf | the table one that is |
| 05:04.14 | cloudwolf | hookonoff works |
| 05:04.23 | cloudwolf | yes its a generic name yes ile change that later |
| 05:04.30 | cloudwolf | sdt is causing saving issues |
| 05:04.41 | Seerah | you keep saying that. We get that much :p |
| 05:04.58 | cloudwolf | yes but i have no idea when hirsute joined into the convo.. |
| 05:05.06 | Hirsute | cloudwolf: Thanks for catching me up. |
| 05:05.30 | cloudwolf | Hirsute: your welcome |
| 05:05.44 | Seerah | sorry. just trying to play at the same time. (not taking time away from playing to organize your code for you so I can read it ;) ) |
| 05:05.47 | Hirsute | If seen similar odd problems before if an addon changed from per-char SV to account-wide SV. The game loads the per-char SV files, but saves to the per account SV files, and things get wonky. |
| 05:06.06 | Hirsute | s/If/I've |
| 05:06.28 | Hirsute | Just to make sure, it's hookonoff that isn't saving, or the sdt table that isn't saving? |
| 05:06.35 | Cide | Shirik: yep :P |
| 05:06.41 | cloudwolf | lol seerah |
| 05:06.45 | cloudwolf | i just code that way |
| 05:06.46 | Cide | SELECT FOR UPDATE seems to have resolved the issue |
| 05:07.15 | Cide | Shirik: If the FOR UPDATE or FOR SHARE clause is specified, the SELECT statement locks the selected rows against concurrent updates. (See FOR UPDATE/FOR SHARE Clause below.) |
| 05:07.25 | cloudwolf | sdt isn't savin |
| 05:07.59 | Hirsute | And I'm assuming it's specified for saving in the TOC, correct? |
| 05:08.03 | cloudwolf | yes |
| 05:08.19 | Cide | FOR UPDATE causes the rows retrieved by the SELECT statement to be locked as though for update. This prevents them from being modified or deleted by other transactions until the current transaction ends. That is, other transactions that attempt UPDATE, DELETE, or SELECT FOR UPDATE of these rows will be blocked until the current transaction ends. |
| 05:08.40 | cloudwolf | http://www.pastey.net/108149 |
| 05:08.44 | cloudwolf | thats my toc hirsute |
| 05:10.55 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. |
| 05:11.10 | cloudwolf | see why this is confusing the hell outa me and anoying me? |
| 05:11.11 | NightHawkTheSane | http://flickr.com/photos/glenscott/3263916059/ |
| 05:11.36 | cloudwolf | ive tried rearanging the code and removed the function before loading the options |
| 05:11.46 | cloudwolf | and then i get that my table doesn't even intialize |
| 05:12.02 | cloudwolf | when i order it to go to there before it hits my options menu |
| 05:12.36 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. |
| 05:12.54 | cloudwolf | ima try something |
| 05:12.55 | Hirsute | Well, first thing I notice is that all those if statements within the first are unnecessary. |
| 05:13.05 | Hirsute | cloudwolf: ^^ |
| 05:13.09 | cloudwolf | yeah some one else poitned that out to me |
| 05:13.22 | cloudwolf | but i learned if's and not a cleaner way to do the same thing |
| 05:13.35 | cloudwolf | considering ive only been coding for about 2 or 3 weeks now |
| 05:13.38 | cloudwolf | in this language |
| 05:13.39 | Hirsute | cloudwolf: Just define them all without the ifs. |
| 05:13.47 | cloudwolf | ... |
| 05:13.52 | Hirsute | If sdt was nil, it's guaranteed all the rest of them don't exist. |
| 05:14.10 | cloudwolf | lol |
| 05:14.27 | cloudwolf | any way time to try something |
| 05:14.31 | Hirsute | That or move them out of the parent if block (possibly the better way) |
| 05:15.16 | Torhal | cloudwolf: What other languages have you coded in? |
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| 05:18.11 | Shirik | Okay, let's say I have the absolute paths to two files |
| 05:18.30 | Shirik | sorry, directories |
| 05:18.49 | Shirik | Is it safe to say, regardless of OS, that if one directory is inside another, the path will begin with the other exactly? |
| 05:19.23 | Hirsute | cloudwolf: (Someone correct me if I'm wrong, here) I think you don't even technically need the parent if. I believe if you set up the defaults for that table, when your SV files load, they'll overwrite whatever you defined within the lua file. |
| 05:20.29 | cloudwolf | torhal sorry was working on something no other coding language |
| 05:20.31 | Cide | Shirik: probably, unless you have symlinks and stuff |
| 05:20.39 | Shirik | I think I can safely ignore links |
| 05:20.40 | cloudwolf | afk working on my addon testing something |
| 05:20.57 | Hirsute | Shirik: As in Economy is inside MajorDive is it safe to say that on any OS the path will look like this (with an OS appropriate delimiter) MajorDive/Economy? |
| 05:21.13 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:21.21 | Hirsute | I think so. |
| 05:22.00 | Hirsute | I can't think of a case where that wouldn't be true, except in a boot-loader config where the path often has to start with the device name. |
| 05:24.00 | Thunder_Child | a lvl 80 hunter just expressed surprise that reg instances were not saved |
| 05:24.11 | Thunder_Child | /cry |
| 05:24.21 | Hirsute | Meh, I've never even thought about that before. |
| 05:24.30 | Hirsute | I've never tried to go right back into one after finishing. |
| 05:24.50 | Thunder_Child | you have never spammed an instance? |
| 05:24.57 | Thunder_Child | VH is great for that |
| 05:25.03 | Thunder_Child | on reg at least |
| 05:25.05 | WobWork | mostly cause the drops aren't worth it |
| 05:25.09 | WobWork | but for rep it's good |
| 05:25.14 | cloudwolf | well what i did didn't work.... |
| 05:25.16 | WobWork | but you might as well do heroics |
| 05:25.22 | Thunder_Child | it is if you are 76 being led around by an 80 |
| 05:25.28 | WobWork | true |
| 05:26.14 | cloudwolf | well i changed the code around some no error still doesn't save witch is driving me off the walls... |
| 05:26.25 | cloudwolf | gnight |
| 05:26.30 | cloudwolf | thanks for trying to help |
| 05:27.05 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: I never have time to do more than one instance in a sitting. |
| 05:27.35 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute, and in the same day? |
| 05:27.50 | cloudwolf | Gnight everyone |
| 05:27.53 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: Never. |
| 05:27.57 | cloudwolf | thank you hirsute for trying to help |
| 05:28.01 | Hirsute | Too much time studying |
| 05:28.10 | Hirsute | cloudwolf: Sorry we didn't get to the bottom of the problem. |
| 05:28.19 | cloudwolf | well ile end up back here tomarrow |
| 05:28.30 | cloudwolf | i have absolutly no clue why its not saving... |
| 05:28.33 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute, well then, i guess you never needed to get one of the fantastic blue trinkets from BC |
| 05:28.57 | Aquavette | wts my soul, $1000 bucks |
| 05:29.15 | Shirik | oh my |
| 05:29.17 | Shirik | best for loop ever |
| 05:29.25 | Shirik | for (File parent = target.getParentFile(), child = target; |
| 05:29.25 | Shirik | parent != null; parent = (child = parent).getParentFile()) { |
| 05:29.26 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: Nope, never had them. |
| 05:29.48 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute, damn things were better than epics....and they are dooing it again |
| 05:29.48 | Aquavette | I'm trying to figure out how to get 4 tb of hdd space |
| 05:30.08 | Thunder_Child | Aquavette, buy 2 2tb HDD's |
| 05:30.08 | Shirik | parent = (child = parent).getParentFile() <-- that is just awesome |
| 05:30.25 | Hirsute | Shirik: That lost me. |
| 05:30.37 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 05:30.49 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: Nice. I'm about as casual of a player as they come. Particularly now that I'm working on addons as well. |
| 05:30.51 | Aquavette | Thunder_Child: would rather do it with 8 500's |
| 05:31.10 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute, that WAS casual |
| 05:31.15 | Thunder_Child | Aquavette, .....fail |
| 05:31.31 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 05:31.37 | Cide | it finds the top file in a tree of files I'm guessing |
| 05:32.32 | Hirsute | Anyhow, good night! |
| 05:34.47 | Aquavette | Thunder_Child: I've found that bigger drives fail more often |
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| 05:39.40 | Shirik | Cide: Well, it moves backwards through a tree of files in an effort to match a parent and mark the child |
| 05:40.06 | AbsolutRayne | Sigh, people drive me insane. |
| 05:40.29 | Shirik | Goal: Get a list of all addon folder names (i.e., those at Interface/Addons/*) given a list of a bunch of files in an archive |
| 05:43.33 | Thunder_Child | Aquavette, thats impossible by distribution of avaliable HD Sizes |
| 05:46.12 | AbsolutRayne | @_@ |
| 05:46.41 | Aquavette | ? |
| 05:46.56 | Aquavette | i won't go 4tb of hd space for real, it's gonna come up way short |
| 05:47.38 | kd3 | the scary thing is, my 2TB raid 5 is getting kinda full... 1.2/1.81 |
| 05:47.46 | kd3 | I fear what I'm going to have to do when I outgrow this one |
| 05:47.58 | Shirik | get another TB? |
| 05:48.07 | Shirik | Time for a test |
| 05:48.11 | Shirik | how much of that is anime, kd3? |
| 05:48.11 | Aquavette | if i'm gonna do anything it'll be raid 10 |
| 05:48.16 | Aquavette | raid 5 pff |
| 05:48.29 | Shirik | Why raid 10? So inefficient |
| 05:48.39 | Thunder_Child | (CPU1) Intel® Coreâ¢2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz @ 2400MHz (ASUSTeK Computer INC. StrikerExtreme mainboard) (RAM) 4GB, 175.97MB free (HDDs) 1.66TB, 144GB free |
| 05:48.39 | Thunder_Child | (VGA1) NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX (768MB), 1680x1050x32, 59Hz (OS) Microsoft® Windows Vista⢠Ultimate (SP1), 4h 27m uptime, 3w 2d 10h 48m 58s uptime record |
| 05:48.41 | kd3 | ~900GB in sorted, another 50-75 in unsorted? |
| 05:48.43 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 05:48.48 | Thunder_Child | that was fail |
| 05:48.52 | Aquavette | cost per megabyte isn't as big o deal as it used to be |
| 05:48.58 | Shirik | expected, kd3 :) |
| 05:49.10 | Aquavette | hard disks are cheap |
| 05:49.16 | Shirik | Aquavette: The fact that something's cheap doesn't justify wasting of money |
| 05:49.43 | Aquavette | yea, but when you have shit that you need to make sure you wont' lose |
| 05:49.51 | Shirik | If you could get 1 lb of candy for $2 or 1.5 lbs of candy for $2, which would you pick? |
| 05:49.53 | Aquavette | wasting a little money == better than losing it |
| 05:50.08 | Shirik | raid 5 provides the same level of redundancy that raid 1 does |
| 05:51.08 | Aquavette | i like with raid 10 you can lose more than 1 drive |
| 05:51.21 | Aquavette | raid 5 can be troublesome if your down more than 1 drive |
| 05:51.24 | Shirik | That's not necessarily true |
| 05:51.35 | Shirik | Given an array of 4 disks in raid 10 |
| 05:51.38 | Shirik | you can lose 2 and you're out of commission |
| 05:51.50 | Aquavette | true |
| 05:51.56 | Aquavette | each has its pro's and con's |
| 05:53.12 | Aquavette | i've been to a lot of business lately that their IT staff has requested raid 10 over raid 5 |
| 05:54.44 | Shirik | In any case, I'm a raid 0 with triple backup plan |
| 05:55.00 | Shirik | my working copy, my saved copy on an external drive, and my off-site copy |
| 05:55.12 | Shirik | I don't have money to waste, either |
| 05:56.32 | Aquavette | i've been doing work for a CPA all week |
| 05:56.42 | Aquavette | so they have the money to waste |
| 05:56.56 | kd3 | shirik: http://wowi.pastey.net/108152 |
| 05:57.15 | Shirik | lol kd3 |
| 05:57.58 | Shirik | lua> (896+22+106)/1023 |
| 05:57.58 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1.0009775171065 |
| 05:58.01 | Shirik | er... |
| 05:58.09 | Shirik | how did you pull that off kd3? |
| 05:58.17 | Shirik | lua> 896+22+106 |
| 05:58.17 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1024 |
| 05:58.20 | Shirik | haha |
| 05:58.24 | Shirik | so basically the whole thing |
| 05:58.33 | Cide | rounding? :P |
| 05:58.36 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:58.38 | Shirik | that really is the whole thing |
| 05:59.02 | Shirik | lua> 1023/1219 |
| 05:59.02 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.83921246923708 |
| 05:59.13 | Shirik | 84% anime-and-co |
| 05:59.21 | Shirik | wtb your collection |
| 05:59.27 | kd3 | my new-unsorted directory's all in priv |
| 05:59.36 | kd3 | so more of that needs to go in /pub but I'm lazy |
| 06:01.43 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:01.47 | Shirik | Checkstyle does not like my for loop |
| 06:05.17 | Shirik | aaaand, UI manager just deleted all my addons |
| 06:05.47 | NightHawkTheSane | http://art4linux.org/system/files/Red%20Planet-1024x768.jpg |
| 06:07.20 | Shirik | very nice |
| 06:08.12 | Shirik | woah |
| 06:08.24 | Shirik | Windows 7 taskbar changes color to correlate with desktop background |
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| 06:16.11 | Tekkub | I would like to inform you all of something very important that has just come to my attention |
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| 06:16.25 | Tekkub | The Ice Stone has melted! |
| 06:16.31 | Shirik | oh thank you Tekkub, I had not known |
| 06:16.33 | kd3 | no way! what'd you all do? |
| 06:16.41 | kd3 | we've been trying all day |
| 06:17.07 | |pez| | What is that damned Ice Stone? :p |
| 06:17.16 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Ice_Stone |
| 06:18.17 | |pez| | right, thanks |
| 06:18.31 | Shirik | and in case you didn't know, |pez| |
| 06:18.34 | Shirik | it has melted |
| 06:18.47 | |pez| | Oh, I knew that part. |
| 06:18.54 | Shirik | well just making sure you knew |
| 06:19.09 | Shirik | is very important |
| 06:19.25 | |pez| | Yeaaaah |
| 06:38.02 | Thunder_Child | " A flight attendant was stationed at the departure gate in Florida to check tickets. As a man approached, she extended her hand for the ticket and he opened his trench coat and flashed her. Without missing a beat, she said, 'Sir, I need to see your ticket, not your stub.'" |
| 06:38.14 | kd3 | rofl |
| 06:39.23 | Shirik | wow |
| 06:39.27 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 06:39.32 | Thunder_Child | "An Alabama college teacher reminds her class of tomorrow's final exam. 'Now class, I won't tolerate any excuses for you not being here tomorrow. I might consider a nuclear attack or a serious personal injury, illness, or a death in your immediate family, but that's it, no other excuses whatsoever!' A smart-ass student in the back of the room raised his hand and asked, 'What would you say if tomorrow I said I was suffering from comp |
| 06:39.50 | Shirik | suffering from comp? |
| 06:39.59 | Thunder_Child | lete and utter sexual exhaustion?' The entire class is reduced to laughter and snickering when silence was restored, the teacher smiled knowingly at the student, shook her head and sweetly said, 'Well, I guess you'd have to write the exam with your other hand.'" |
| 06:40.07 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 06:40.11 | Shirik | where are you getting these |
| 06:40.12 | kd3 | lmao |
| 06:40.15 | Thunder_Child | email |
| 06:40.40 | Thunder_Child | here http://wowi.pastey.net/108154 |
| 06:41.59 | |pez| | love the last one |
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| 08:35.13 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: February 11th, 2009 11:58pm PST |
| 08:35.13 | Shiibot | Free character moves from select high population PvE realms to a new realm, Nesingwary -- Central timezone, Emberstorm battlegroup -- are now available. These moves are scheduled to end Wednesday, February 18, at 12:00 PM PST (Thursday, February 19, at 7:00 PM AEDT) provided our transfer goals are not reached prior to this time. To find out if your realm is eligible for these free moves and begin the transfer process, you can go to https://www.worldofw |
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| 09:25.14 | Thunder_Child | if win7 could just get the fucking column hedings to stay the same i would be happy |
| 09:25.20 | Thunder_Child | headings* |
| 09:25.54 | sacarasc | Column headings in what? |
| 09:26.00 | Thunder_Child | folders |
| 09:27.35 | Thunder_Child | err... i mean to say it fails in vista and if win 7 could do it i would be happy with just that if nothing else |
| 09:33.09 | nevcairiel | you mean the automatic folder type detection? |
| 09:33.09 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: February 11th, 2009 11:58pm PST |
| 09:33.09 | Shiibot | Free character moves from select high population PvE realms to a new realm, Nesingwary (Central timezone, Emberstorm battlegroup), are now available. These moves are scheduled to end Wednesday, February 18, at 12:00 PM PST provided our transfer goals are not reached prior to this time. To find out if your realm is eligible for these free moves and begin the transfer process, you can go to https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account and click on the "Free C |
| 09:33.22 | Thunder_Child | no, i mean custom ones that i do |
| 09:33.28 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 09:33.39 | Thunder_Child | they keep reseting to default |
| 09:46.11 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: February 11th, 2009 11:58pm PST |
| 09:46.11 | Shiibot | Free character moves from select high population PvE realms to a new realm, Nesingwary (Central time zone, Emberstorm battlegroup), are now available. These moves are scheduled to end Wednesday, February 18, at 12:00 PM PST provided our transfer goals are not reached prior to this time. To find out if your realm is eligible for these free moves and begin the transfer process, you can go to https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account and click on the "Free |
| 09:46.32 | Thunder_Child | Shirik ^^^ |
| 09:47.37 | Shirik | I'm assuming they're removing entries which are later in the list. I'll keep an eye on it for a few more minutes to make sure he's not going crazy |
| 09:47.53 | Shirik | I need to shorten the length of the string that gets hashed |
| 09:49.00 | Thunder_Child | you might want to create yourself a diff just to be sure |
| 09:49.02 | batrick | Thunder_Child: pong |
| 09:49.46 | Thunder_Child | batrick, ever think of turning Chat Bot into a Purl equivilent? |
| 09:50.18 | batrick | you mean batbot with purl's functionality? no not really |
| 09:50.31 | Thunder_Child | no...Chat Bot |
| 09:50.41 | Thunder_Child | or is that the same thing? |
| 09:50.46 | batrick | are you talking about my addon? |
| 09:50.49 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 09:50.52 | batrick | I don't ever maintain it |
| 09:51.05 | batrick | I uploaded it as a last-ditch effort to win that pet lol |
| 09:51.09 | Thunder_Child | meh, i want to be able to lart people in guild chat |
| 09:51.44 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Problem is it's two different processes doing the compare |
| 09:51.47 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, do you know what the max msg length for irc is? |
| 09:52.01 | batrick | 512 chars |
| 09:52.29 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, but i thought Shiibot was single process only |
| 09:52.37 | Shirik | Shiibot is |
| 09:52.40 | Thunder_Child | ty batrick |
| 09:52.44 | Shirik | however, it's not Shiibot that's watching the alerts |
| 09:52.45 | batrick | yw |
| 09:52.57 | Thunder_Child | you also might want to trunicate the msg and add a link to it |
| 09:52.58 | Shirik | It's another process watching them, which saves an md5 to a file. Shiibot monitors that file for changes |
| 09:53.04 | Shirik | I've been considering that too |
| 09:53.34 | Thunder_Child | why are there 2 process doing the hash? |
| 09:54.51 | batrick | Thunder_Child: depending on the command length and channel name length, the message can be quite a bit smaller |
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| 09:55.01 | batrick | quite a bit = ~20 chars usually |
| 09:55.14 | Thunder_Child | wait what? |
| 09:55.41 | batrick | an IRC command is limited to 512 characters including the line feed and carriage return |
| 09:55.53 | batrick | PRIVMSG #WoWUIDev ...\r\n |
| 09:55.58 | Thunder_Child | ok, with you so far |
| 09:56.25 | batrick | so the actual limit is often ~490 chars |
| 09:57.10 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: So Shiibot can still accomplish his prime directive |
| 09:57.11 | Thunder_Child | still with you |
| 09:57.18 | Shirik | I don't want to block on trying to download alerts |
| 09:57.34 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, but you said it wasnt Shiibot doing the hash |
| 09:57.42 | Shirik | right |
| 09:57.45 | Shirik | another process is |
| 09:57.51 | Shirik | That way Shiibot can still do his stuff while downloading the alert |
| 09:58.04 | Thunder_Child | then there should only be one process hashing |
| 09:58.21 | Shirik | there is |
| 09:58.24 | batrick | shirik are you using luatask or something? |
| 09:58.25 | jnwhiteh | only one process is hashing? |
| 09:58.36 | jnwhiteh | Thunder_Child: he said that a few times already |
| 09:58.43 | jnwhiteh | or at least, it was clear to me |
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| 09:58.54 | Thunder_Child | i got "@Shirik: Thunder_Child: Problem is it's two different processes doing the compare" confused with that |
| 09:59.01 | batrick | err, nvm dump question |
| 09:59.01 | Shirik | ok I guess I was unclear |
| 09:59.07 | batrick | dumb* |
| 09:59.07 | Thunder_Child | my bad |
| 09:59.16 | Shirik | shiibot stores the last known MD5 and compares it against the latest one |
| 09:59.24 | Shirik | another process keeps updating the MD5 of the alert |
| 09:59.44 | Shirik | this "another process" is nothing more than a few line bash script |
| 09:59.48 | Shirik | which is run in cron |
| 10:01.24 | jnwhiteh | I just want to go home and sleep riht now |
| 10:01.30 | jnwhiteh | but I'm not sure I even want that |
| 10:01.32 | jnwhiteh | I'm just so unmotivated |
| 10:01.59 | Shirik | I should go to sleep |
| 10:02.34 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, what if you created a diff with each change of the alert and only reupdated it with more than...say....a 10% change? or are there small stuff changed often? |
| 10:02.45 | jnwhiteh | its not really a problem |
| 10:03.03 | jnwhiteh | the current solution doesn't spam the channel and still notifies us of the changes |
| 10:03.05 | Thunder_Child | noting wrong with trying to get it right jnwhiteh |
| 10:03.10 | Shirik | I don't think the problem is that it's a small change. I think it's more that they're changing things that aren't visible |
| 10:03.14 | jnwhiteh | I don't think its wrong right now |
| 10:03.22 | Shirik | such as, removing things that are 3 alerts old |
| 10:03.49 | Shirik | I would like it adjusted to not report that, though I'm somewhat with jnwhiteh here in that it's rather rare that this is an event |
| 10:04.10 | jnwhiteh | more importantly what the alert WAS doesn't matter so long as you know what the current alert is |
| 10:04.46 | Thunder_Child | i dont have a problem with it but i know Shirik has mentioned that he would like to have it not do that, i was just trying to offer up other ideas |
| 10:04.55 | Thunder_Child | i can stop however if that is a problem |
| 10:07.07 | Shirik | anyway |
| 10:07.08 | Shirik | sleepytime |
| 10:07.16 | Shirik | thank god I don't have class until noon |
| 10:10.15 | Shirik | :( |
| 10:14.22 | batrick | anybody here use google labs gmail for their domain? |
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| 11:39.03 | Adys | hi guys |
| 11:39.07 | Adys | how's the ice stone going |
| 11:39.13 | nevcairiel | still melting |
| 11:39.18 | Adys | good good |
| 11:39.47 | jnwhiteh | my ice stone is more melted than yours |
| 11:39.58 | Adys | you wouldnt know that |
| 11:40.30 | jnwhiteh | oh i know! |
| 11:43.52 | Arrowmaster | http://www.technologyreview.com/video/?vid=244 |
| 11:44.25 | Arrowmaster | bastards just had to do it |
| 11:45.14 | [dRaCo] | shouldn't it be pretty easy to hook the event und suppress the message? |
| 11:45.42 | Arrowmaster | yes its very easy, somebody already posted a one liner on the ui forums |
| 11:46.58 | [dRaCo] | great, got a link for me by any chance? |
| 11:48.13 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14990914746&sid=1 |
| 11:48.28 | [dRaCo] | thanks =) |
| 11:49.50 | [dRaCo] | has to be executed every time wow is started, right? |
| 11:50.32 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 11:51.31 | Arrowmaster | is it really that spammy on other servers? |
| 11:52.08 | Arrowmaster | i only noticed it like once every 10 minutes min yesterday, and there were many times where the gap was much much larger |
| 11:52.18 | Adys | yeah Arrowmaster about that |
| 11:53.23 | amro | any java hackers around? |
| 11:55.11 | [dRaCo] | we get that message sometimes twice a minute |
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| 11:58.22 | [Ammo] | what is that whole ice stone melting thing? |
| 11:58.28 | [Ammo] | It went all past me it seems :) |
| 12:01.59 | nevcairiel | go play some since the patch yesterday |
| 12:02.55 | [Ammo] | euh? |
| 12:03.19 | [Ammo] | does it melt faster in the molten core? :) |
| 12:03.22 | nevcairiel | its a bug or so |
| 12:03.28 | nevcairiel | it spams a global message |
| 12:03.35 | nevcairiel | "The Ice Stone has melted." |
| 12:03.57 | [Ammo] | ah ok |
| 12:05.43 | amro | they should make it a raidwarning |
| 12:19.13 | foxlit | launcher update? |
| 12:33.49 | foxlit | sigh, wow bindings |
| 12:33.53 | foxlit | mouse4 down |
| 12:33.55 | foxlit | mouse 5 down |
| 12:33.58 | foxlit | mouse 4 up |
| 12:34.05 | foxlit | ... no "mouse 5 up" |
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| 12:54.12 | amro | Thompson makes bad routers |
| 12:56.02 | amro | just the power adapter is bigger than the ones from a switch and another router combined |
| 12:59.16 | foxlit | Frost Tomb 1 - foxlit 0 |
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| 13:06.03 | jnwhiteh | THE STONE |
| 13:06.06 | jnwhiteh | IT HAS MELTED!! |
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| 13:08.37 | Wobin | amro: Shirik does java stuff |
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| 13:10.25 | SenoraRaton | Question! |
| 13:11.02 | SenoraRaton | Assuming anyone is alive.:D |
| 13:13.19 | foxlit | No, they're all dead. |
| 13:13.36 | foxlit | and hunger for... braaaaaaiiiiinnnsssssssss... |
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| 13:18.50 | SenoraRaton | Lol |
| 13:19.10 | SenoraRaton | Is it possible to have variables in my mod persist after logoff? |
| 13:19.29 | SenoraRaton | And secondly, can I update them on logon through some sort of game interface... I.E> |
| 13:19.48 | SenoraRaton | I have the mod join a hidden chat channel, which then hiddenly spams the client to update the variables? |
| 13:22.53 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions |
| 13:23.51 | jnwhiteh | ~wowprogramming |
| 13:23.52 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 13:23.58 | jnwhiteh | Both excellent resources for this sort of thing :P |
| 13:24.20 | foxlit | Shouldn't you change your name in there? |
| 13:24.45 | SenoraRaton | :P My add on is pre-alpha phase, also called learning/design |
| 13:25.37 | jnwhiteh | Yes, and both of those resources will help |
| 13:25.52 | jnwhiteh | Yes you can persist variables |
| 13:25.57 | jnwhiteh | your second questions don't make any sense, however |
| 13:26.03 | jnwhiteh | you're telling us how you want to implement something |
| 13:26.05 | jnwhiteh | not what you want to do |
| 13:26.14 | jnwhiteh | what do you want to do? |
| 13:26.14 | Robsato | For the hidden chat channel stuff take a look at http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendAddonMessage but note there is no channel when there is noone with the addon online. |
| 13:27.22 | SenoraRaton | Well I want to write a UI for my guild, and update splash messages/MOTDs etc without the end users actually updating the mod itself |
| 13:29.15 | jnwhiteh | Is the guild MOTD not enough for you? |
| 13:31.06 | SenoraRaton | Meh... I suppose, I was looking for more functionaity than that, I suppose you could probably call the Guild MOTD from a function? I don't necessarily want it spammed though, more of an on call. I really don't know what I want to do >.< |
| 13:31.14 | jnwhiteh | You should store the data you need in the guild info somewhere, if you want it to be accesible to anyone regardless of who is online. |
| 13:31.22 | jnwhiteh | Of course you can query the guildmotd via API |
| 13:31.26 | jnwhiteh | you can also set it via API |
| 13:31.57 | SenoraRaton | I guess in a backwards way I'm looking for almost a message board system.... Thats a big project, that probably isn't possible |
| 13:32.01 | SenoraRaton | reasonable |
| 13:32.04 | SenoraRaton | or feasible |
| 13:32.08 | SenoraRaton | Sounds perfect.:D |
| 13:32.21 | jnwhiteh | Well you would need a distributed guild database |
| 13:32.25 | jnwhiteh | and that is not an easy thing |
| 13:32.32 | jnwhiteh | and the amount of storage we have for something liek that is extremely limited |
| 13:32.38 | jnwhiteh | simple notes, sure |
| 13:32.44 | jnwhiteh | more than that, not so much |
| 13:34.32 | SenoraRaton | Distributed guild database? |
| 13:35.54 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 13:36.25 | jnwhiteh | there's no real way to share information for your guild in a way that works regardless of whether anyone is online |
| 13:36.29 | jnwhiteh | WoW doesn't give us any storage like that |
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| 13:38.19 | amro | JoshBorke tried to make one at some point, I'm not sure if he ever finished it |
| 13:39.27 | jnwhiteh | its a non-trivial exercise :P |
| 13:39.56 | SenoraRaton | All the better to learn with.:) |
| 13:40.35 | jnwhiteh | this is not a learning exercise, no offense intended. |
| 13:40.45 | SenoraRaton | What is not? |
| 13:41.02 | jnwhiteh | A distributed database |
| 13:41.18 | Wobin | an exercise in frustration, I'd say =) |
| 13:41.23 | jnwhiteh | not to mention, it still will not work when someone who doesn't have it is the only member online. |
| 13:41.30 | Wobin | Go for a somewhat easier problem to start with |
| 13:41.31 | jnwhiteh | what you're asking for, sadly, can't really be done in a way that works |
| 13:41.53 | Wobin | It's not a good learning exercise, because there is actually no good solution |
| 13:42.01 | SenoraRaton | Well developing the interface for it was my first step.:P Thats feasible, slightly easier |
| 13:43.21 | Wobin | But invariably a dead end =) |
| 13:43.44 | SenoraRaton | Hmmm... Now what crazy hair-brained idea can I come up with |
| 13:44.32 | Wobin | you could go trawl the message boards of places like WowI or Curse to see if they have a "I want an addon that does X" board/thread |
| 13:44.40 | Wobin | and see if anything appeals |
| 13:46.43 | jnwhiteh | I don't like telling people that things aren't possible |
| 13:47.04 | Wobin | well, not possible within the current api we have available |
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| 13:47.58 | SenoraRaton | So what CAN I save/update, simple strings? And it would be linked to the person, not anything persistent |
| 13:48.26 | Wobin | You can save quite a lot of information, but yes, linked only to the player |
| 13:48.42 | Wobin | be that the character, server or account |
| 13:48.57 | SenoraRaton | Allright, what about a chat bot with the information |
| 13:49.10 | Wobin | Certainly feasible |
| 13:49.24 | SenoraRaton | Albeit I would need a dedicated account logged on at all time, could I program it to retain the data? |
| 13:49.34 | Wobin | certainly |
| 13:49.53 | SenoraRaton | And the do the hidden channel update to the variables for the interface at log on? |
| 13:49.56 | jnwhiteh | which is in violation of the TOS and EULA |
| 13:50.02 | jnwhiteh | that is having an account logged in all the time |
| 13:50.03 | Wobin | Blizzard may be a bit iffy about the permanent logging in though |
| 13:50.22 | SenoraRaton | How long AM I allowed to be logged in?:P I didn't know there were limits.... |
| 13:50.32 | Wobin | And since WoW doesn't use IRC channels like some other mmorpgs, you can't connect externally |
| 13:50.40 | jnwhiteh | You cannot really do what you want to do |
| 13:51.00 | SenoraRaton | Did they tell edison he couldn't invent the lightbulb? |
| 13:51.06 | Wobin | no? |
| 13:51.13 | jnwhiteh | Edison wasn't having to work with someone else's systems and API |
| 13:51.15 | jnwhiteh | dont' be thick |
| 13:51.23 | Wobin | Also, didn't Telsa do it before edison? =P |
| 13:51.47 | Wobin | Edison just had better PR =P |
| 13:52.21 | foxlit | Telsa's PR was horrible. No wonder people can't spell his name :) |
| 13:52.25 | aesir | Edison didn't invent the lightbulb. He invented 7,999 ways not to make a lightbulb filiment. The lightbulb was what was left over from his experiments. |
| 13:52.40 | Wobin | Tesla? =P |
| 13:52.46 | Wobin | Sorry, it's past midnight =P |
| 13:52.52 | SenoraRaton | So the idea of the distriubted database would persists, as long as ONE person was always online? |
| 13:53.05 | Wobin | which is something you can't guarantee =) |
| 13:53.52 | jnwhiteh | in theory |
| 13:53.57 | jnwhiteh | thats's ONLY in theory |
| 13:54.01 | jnwhiteh | in actuality its much more difficult |
| 13:54.02 | Wobin | the problem was also exacebated by the difficulty in maintaining updates between users |
| 13:54.20 | Wobin | How does one client know that their information is newer than another's? |
| 13:54.29 | Wobin | Who updates who? |
| 13:54.30 | SenoraRaton | Thats easy, WoW has a time function |
| 13:54.37 | jnwhiteh | *sigh* |
| 13:54.41 | SenoraRaton | Just timestamp it |
| 13:54.42 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, these are solved problems with existing distributed databases |
| 13:54.42 | Wobin | Which is based on a system clock =) |
| 13:54.43 | jnwhiteh | Say your guild has three people |
| 13:54.43 | jnwhiteh | just three |
| 13:54.52 | jnwhiteh | Alice, Bob and Carol |
| 13:54.56 | jnwhiteh | Alice logs in and posts a message |
| 13:54.57 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: Yet not really solvable in WoW |
| 13:55.03 | jnwhiteh | Alice logs off |
| 13:55.10 | jnwhiteh | Bob logs in, has no way to get Alice's message |
| 13:55.12 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, why not? existing ones are based on sending messages between identifiers |
| 13:55.12 | jnwhiteh | Bob leaves a message |
| 13:55.16 | ZorbaTHut | you can do the same thing in WoW |
| 13:55.21 | jnwhiteh | Alice and Carol log in, so they both can see ALice's message |
| 13:55.27 | jnwhiteh | Alice logs off |
| 13:55.41 | jnwhiteh | Bob logs in, Now bob and carol can see all of the messages, but alice must be online with one of them to get all of them |
| 13:55.46 | jnwhiteh | that assumes no new messages are posted |
| 13:56.05 | jnwhiteh | that's with three people.. the problem doesn't get easier with more people unless you know you have a critical mass of people online.. which is certainly possible |
| 13:56.11 | jnwhiteh | but them the merging and managing of the database updates is non-trivial |
| 13:56.16 | foxlit | Wobin: if you really wanted to, you could easily sync message IDs through some persistent storage like gmotd |
| 13:56.20 | jnwhiteh | requires a pre-made database of server -> time zone mappings |
| 13:56.45 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table#Properties <-- this is a problem that has been worked on heavily outside WoW, and the only new issue WoW introduces is bandwidth |
| 13:57.12 | foxlit | But the way to make things work for small guilds is to enable outside parties to act as distributed storage nodes |
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| 13:57.37 | SenoraRaton | Largemods anyone? |
| 13:57.49 | foxlit | The problem isn't so much that it's impossible to implement, but rather that there are much easier (external) ways to address the issue of communicating between people who aren't online at the same time. |
| 13:57.53 | SenoraRaton | What if I tried to do it SERVER wide? And got 2000 people to implement it |
| 13:57.58 | Wobin | Go for it. |
| 13:58.10 | SenoraRaton | Thats feasible, no? |
| 13:58.18 | Wobin | 2000 wow players doing the same thing? |
| 13:58.18 | ZorbaTHut | it's certainly not easy, of course, and it has huge bootstrapping issues, but technically, at least, it's possible. :) |
| 13:58.29 | Wobin | Good luck with your feasisbility study =P |
| 13:58.37 | ZorbaTHut | senora, you could certainly program something which would work, but your next step is figuring out how to get people to run it |
| 13:58.47 | jnwhiteh | thats one of many issues |
| 13:58.57 | SenoraRaton | Thats easy, I mean if you could use an IN GAME message board, would you? |
| 13:59.01 | ZorbaTHut | as usual, the big problem with anything of this sort is just that the network effect is a bitch |
| 13:59.09 | ZorbaTHut | man, have you seen the people who play WoW? |
| 13:59.11 | ZorbaTHut | no. no I would not. |
| 13:59.20 | jnwhiteh | nope, wouldn't even download it to help |
| 13:59.30 | ZorbaTHut | also, I run in windowed mode, so if I do want to use a message board, I just . . . use a message board |
| 14:00.28 | SenoraRaton | Assuming it was that big too, wouldn't it eat personal bandwith? |
| 14:00.52 | SenoraRaton | I mean if 100's of people are posting, we are swapping MASSIVE ammounts of data and then I have to redistribute it in real time to EVERYONE |
| 14:01.02 | SenoraRaton | I don't think bliz would like that too much either.... |
| 14:01.04 | jnwhiteh | you don't distribute it in realtime.. first |
| 14:01.16 | ZorbaTHut | there's scalability issues, yes |
| 14:01.18 | jnwhiteh | and no, its not practical and that is one of many reasons why not |
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| 14:02.10 | Wobin | I wouldn't download it, cause I wouldn't use it. |
| 14:02.18 | Wobin | Not when there are already forums for my server I don't read |
| 14:02.57 | Adys | i used to think coding stuff in an extremely restricted environment was fun |
| 14:03.01 | SenoraRaton | This went from tiny idea to sever wide implementation, I like it |
| 14:03.18 | Adys | i took a few steps back and in the end i stay dead away from ideas like that |
| 14:03.19 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 14:03.25 | Wobin | Adys: It certainly taxes the mind into figuring out how to turn around inside the restricted envrironment without knocking something over |
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| 14:03.37 | Adys | it just takes time |
| 14:03.40 | Adys | and a heavy design |
| 14:03.42 | Adys | slower and slowe |
| 14:03.43 | Adys | +r |
| 14:03.51 | ZorbaTHut | eh, every environment is a restricted environment. some are just more restricted than others. ;) |
| 14:03.59 | jnwhiteh | I just don't try to write things that aren't meant to be written |
| 14:04.04 | Wobin | Damn you, Laws of Physics! |
| 14:04.10 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: like coding a wowhead clone within mediawiki? :P |
| 14:04.23 | Wobin | Adys: that's just asking for pain =P |
| 14:04.24 | ZorbaTHut | adys, exactly :D |
| 14:04.35 | Adys | it was fun |
| 14:04.39 | Adys | i even got the design still ready |
| 14:04.49 | ZorbaTHut | anyway, it's boring to only write things that you know are possible |
| 14:04.52 | SenoraRaton | I'm going back to grinding timbermaws, and letting my mind simmer.. Any crazy new ideas pop up, I'll be sure to share |
| 14:04.58 | Wobin | Up until the point when you realised "Hey... There's already a wowhead site..."? |
| 14:05.02 | ZorbaTHut | the fun part comes when you're writing things that you aren't sure are possible. or that you know are impossible. |
| 14:05.09 | Adys | then i wondered "hold on, why would i work on THAT when I can watch the entire season 7 of macgyver?" |
| 14:05.12 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: maybe for you |
| 14:05.17 | jnwhiteh | I prefer to write shit that is useful |
| 14:05.28 | SenoraRaton | Most of that is written already.:P |
| 14:05.28 | jnwhiteh | I don't do it for fame, fortune or the challenge |
| 14:05.29 | ZorbaTHut | what makes you think the two are mutually exclusive? :P |
| 14:05.38 | Wobin | Adys: Thank you. Now I have the MacGuyver theme stuck in my head |
| 14:05.46 | Adys | sorry |
| 14:05.48 | Adys | pet peeve |
| 14:05.50 | Adys | its MacGyver |
| 14:05.51 | Adys | no u |
| 14:05.54 | Wobin | First season is still the best |
| 14:06.01 | ZorbaTHut | also where the hell are all the troll rogues |
| 14:06.07 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: i paid one 100g |
| 14:06.13 | Wobin | I make no excuses for my spelling ability |
| 14:06.13 | Adys | to meet me up in borean tundra |
| 14:06.20 | ZorbaTHut | I'm Alliance, sadly |
| 14:06.25 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: so am i |
| 14:06.32 | ZorbaTHut | how did you pay him 100g? |
| 14:06.36 | Adys | neutral ah |
| 14:06.39 | foxlit | ToU-breaking #$%#$ard! |
| 14:06.40 | ZorbaTHut | ah |
| 14:06.41 | Wobin | SusanExpress =P |
| 14:06.45 | Adys | rofl |
| 14:06.47 | ZorbaTHut | eh, I'll find one |
| 14:06.52 | ZorbaTHut | worst case I'll get a friend to make one |
| 14:07.08 | Adys | anyway, jnwhiteh is right |
| 14:07.22 | Adys | if you really got a huge amount of time to kill |
| 14:07.30 | Adys | spend it on something useful and awesome |
| 14:07.46 | Adys | not something that'll have a neat design, everyone would go "woah you coded that" and no one would use |
| 14:08.20 | Wobin | in my opinion, if -I- use it, it's reached its potential |
| 14:08.26 | Wobin | (for my addons =P) |
| 14:08.35 | Adys | yeah but projects like that, you wont use either |
| 14:08.36 | jnwhiteh | btu that doesn't work for a social addon :P |
| 14:08.48 | Wobin | That's why I don't write them =) |
| 14:09.12 | Wobin | The closest was HeyFu, which recorded incoming and outgoing chats, but that was still entirely personal |
| 14:09.12 | Adys | when you start hitting insane restriction workarounds, you also get an extremely slow project |
| 14:09.52 | Wobin | And I'd deFu it if I could come up with an effective layout =\ |
| 14:09.55 | amro | working with restrictions can be interesting, but only if you're making something useful |
| 14:10.11 | Adys | read: not a wowhead clone within mediawiki |
| 14:10.36 | Wobin | dewdrop, despite it's uglyness, was pretty good for that addon |
| 14:11.44 | Adys | which reminds me |
| 14:11.55 | Adys | is there a decent GUI library for wow? |
| 14:12.01 | Adys | (decent, not stuff like acegui) |
| 14:12.11 | Wobin | acegui is alright... |
| 14:12.17 | Adys | yeah |
| 14:12.19 | Adys | and alright isnt decent |
| 14:12.27 | Wobin | well, what is decent? |
| 14:12.52 | Adys | something that lets you spend less time coding on the gui than on the addon itself |
| 14:12.53 | amro | ~dict decen |
| 14:12.54 | amro | ~dict decent |
| 14:12.58 | Adys | ~fail amro |
| 14:12.59 | purl | amro: FAIL! |
| 14:13.17 | amro | GUIs take the most time usually |
| 14:13.22 | Wobin | I didn't spend too much time with AceGUI whenever I used it |
| 14:13.33 | Wobin | not the Ace3 version, anyway |
| 14:13.50 | Adys | i started my own widget library |
| 14:13.54 | Wobin | Cause I don't think there -are- many others |
| 14:13.57 | Adys | but mostly for my own addons, so tailored |
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| 14:14.10 | Wobin | Can you not use that? |
| 14:14.20 | Adys | I am using it |
| 14:14.26 | Adys | otherwise i wouldnt have coded it |
| 14:14.42 | Adys | Im just wondering if its worth to clean it up and release it |
| 14:14.51 | Wobin | Go for it |
| 14:15.39 | Adys | which reminds me |
| 14:15.50 | Adys | is there any "theming" addon/lib around? |
| 14:16.11 | Wobin | They've been less popular |
| 14:16.31 | Wobin | I seem to remember whatsisname releasing his stuff on WoWi |
| 14:16.45 | jnwhiteh | That was a long time ago, when WoW first came out |
| 14:16.48 | jnwhiteh | hasn't been anythign like it since |
| 14:16.49 | Wobin | yeah |
| 14:16.52 | amro | ~seen whatsisname |
| 14:16.55 | purl | whatsisname <n=whatsisn@c-75-72-177-215.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 762d 14h 24m 16s ago, saying: 'Does anyone know where I could locate the file of samba password hashes? It's not in /etc/smbpasswd or /etc/sambapasswd'. |
| 14:17.06 | jnwhiteh | TKing |
| 14:17.15 | Wobin | That's the bunny |
| 14:17.25 | Adys | #debian has all the guys who are never to be ~seen again |
| 14:17.33 | Adys | ~seen messiah |
| 14:17.34 | purl | messiah <n=messiah@125.Red-88-11-209.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 256d 15h 6m 38s ago, saying: 'i have just installed debian in an old laptop but the screen is very bad, and with two lines in vertical, can someone help me?'. |
| 14:17.56 | Adys | sad |
| 14:18.02 | Wobin | bah, whatsisname has been gone for -two- years! |
| 14:18.02 | foxlit | "... makes your $15/month World of Warcraft subscription more enjoyable, and only a few dollars a month ensures that I'll keep it running forever :)" |
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| 14:18.25 | Wobin | foxlit: WWS? |
| 14:18.25 | Adys | foxlit: ive read that somewhere |
| 14:18.34 | Adys | not wws |
| 14:18.38 | foxlit | a few dollars a month ... forever. << I'm not sure the author had a coherent thought there. |
| 14:18.44 | Wobin | well |
| 14:18.51 | Wobin | a few dollars a month for forever adds up! |
| 14:19.12 | Wobin | oh QH |
| 14:19.21 | Adys | ah yeah |
| 14:20.10 | Adys | stand aside! I'm going to recode Addybot |
| 14:20.50 | amro | ~lart Adys |
| 14:20.50 | purl | decapitates Adys conan the destroyer style |
| 14:20.57 | amro | you mean the bot that does nothing useful? |
| 14:21.06 | Adys | yep |
| 14:21.09 | amro | you probably meant to say "code" rather than "recode" |
| 14:21.14 | Adys | well fuck you |
| 14:21.26 | Adys | it answers to ping |
| 14:21.30 | amro | what's it written in anyway? |
| 14:21.34 | Adys | php |
| 14:21.38 | Wobin | ping Addybot |
| 14:21.39 | Adys | and visualbasic |
| 14:21.45 | foxlit | did you write it? |
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| 14:21.52 | Wobin | Addybot: ping |
| 14:21.53 | amro | someone ban it from this channel |
| 14:21.55 | Adys | only the visual basic part |
| 14:21.59 | Adys | its disabled wobin |
| 14:22.05 | Wobin | so it doesn't answer to ping =( |
| 14:22.21 | Adys | it does |
| 14:22.21 | Wobin | purl: ping |
| 14:22.22 | purl | ~pong |
| 14:22.27 | Adys | purl: fuck you |
| 14:22.28 | purl | I've heard better pick up lines from a goat with Aspergers. |
| 14:22.31 | Wobin | purl will always be my favourite bot! |
| 14:22.41 | amro | owned |
| 14:22.42 | Wobin | ~botsnack |
| 14:22.42 | purl | Wobin: :) |
| 14:22.44 | lua_bot | Hey, fuck you Wobin |
| 14:23.01 | Adys | purl: do you want to have hot sweaty sex with amro and Cide? |
| 14:23.02 | purl | yes, I want to have hot sweaty sex with amro and Cide. |
| 14:23.02 | Wobin | I've heard better pick up lines from a goat with Aspergers. |
| 14:23.02 | lua_bot | ~fail Wobin |
| 14:23.03 | purl | Wobin: FAIL! |
| 14:23.21 | Wobin | ~fail Adys |
| 14:23.22 | purl | Adys, you Fail! |
| 14:23.56 | Wobin | Sorry lua_bot, but purl is a more worldy bot than you |
| 14:24.03 | Wobin | worldly |
| 14:24.14 | Wobin | meh, it's 1:30am, I need to sleep |
| 14:26.30 | SenoraRaton | Are there range mods? That give you a numerical value for your range from target? |
| 14:26.37 | Adys | no |
| 14:27.04 | SenoraRaton | Feasiable? |
| 14:27.07 | Adys | nop |
| 14:27.13 | jnwhiteh | accurate range information is not available in the client |
| 14:27.15 | SenoraRaton | :( |
| 14:27.19 | Adys | you can know if you are in melee range |
| 14:27.20 | Adys | thats all |
| 14:27.26 | foxlit | not available to you |
| 14:27.30 | jnwhiteh | Adys: you get more information than that |
| 14:27.31 | foxlit | The client knows. |
| 14:27.33 | jnwhiteh | since your action bars update |
| 14:27.38 | jnwhiteh | and that information is available. |
| 14:27.46 | Adys | thats class-dependant |
| 14:27.46 | jnwhiteh | you just cannot know if you are at 18 |
| 14:27.51 | jnwhiteh | you just know you are between 10 and 20 |
| 14:27.55 | jnwhiteh | its still possible for some classes |
| 14:27.59 | Adys | yeah |
| 14:28.21 | Adys | and level dependant too |
| 14:28.29 | ZorbaTHut | you can get more even non-class-dependent, there's a few range zones that you can get info for |
| 14:28.50 | SenoraRaton | So I could generate a range, but not an accurate # |
| 14:28.58 | ZorbaTHut | but that gives you, like, melee, 10yd, 28yd, or something like that. |
| 14:29.06 | jnwhiteh | correct |
| 14:29.53 | SenoraRaton | Is there any way to monitor character movement and generate relative cordinates? |
| 14:30.05 | Adys | not really |
| 14:30.06 | SenoraRaton | Quest helper does something similar to that |
| 14:30.09 | Adys | you could wrap it up |
| 14:30.15 | Adys | no, questhelper uses the map |
| 14:30.23 | jnwhiteh | and it uses positions it knows |
| 14:30.27 | jnwhiteh | but it can't know where your target is. |
| 14:30.38 | SenoraRaton | But it gives you a relative postion to where you are |
| 14:30.59 | Adys | basically |
| 14:31.04 | SenoraRaton | Why couldn't I use something similar and generate variable WP's invisible, and use those as markers for determining the range? |
| 14:31.13 | Adys | what you want to do right now isnt possible, and if it does get possible blizzard will not like it |
| 14:31.13 | jnwhiteh | WP's? |
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| 14:31.18 | Adys | waypoints |
| 14:31.18 | SenoraRaton | Waypoints |
| 14:31.20 | ZorbaTHut | senora, it would certainly be possible, and I'm planning to try it out someday to see if it works well :) |
| 14:31.22 | jnwhiteh | then say waypoints |
| 14:31.37 | SenoraRaton | Ahhhh.. I think we have a winner.:D |
| 14:31.44 | jnwhiteh | I don't understand what you are saying |
| 14:31.49 | jnwhiteh | there is no way whatsoever to know where your target is |
| 14:31.52 | SenoraRaton | You have quest helper? |
| 14:32.00 | ZorbaTHut | actually, unless you're talking about something other than I think you are :P |
| 14:32.03 | jnwhiteh | Absolutely not |
| 14:32.09 | jnwhiteh | and I don't think you guys are talking about the same thing |
| 14:32.12 | SenoraRaton | Well, have you USED quest helper? |
| 14:32.15 | jnwhiteh | yes, once. |
| 14:32.18 | jnwhiteh | btu that's irrelevant |
| 14:32.36 | SenoraRaton | You know how it generates a waypoint, and then tells you your distance to the Waypoint |
| 14:32.40 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 14:32.42 | jnwhiteh | I wrote TomTom |
| 14:32.48 | jnwhiteh | yes, I'm aware. |
| 14:32.50 | Adys | SenoraRaton: map coordinates are 2d |
| 14:32.59 | ZorbaTHut | ah, that doesn't touch the client at all. you can't generate waypoints "for monsters" |
| 14:32.59 | jnwhiteh | You are correct |
| 14:33.01 | jnwhiteh | if you walk up to a mob |
| 14:33.04 | jnwhiteh | and store a waypoint |
| 14:33.05 | jnwhiteh | and then walk away |
| 14:33.07 | Adys | when you are trying to get the range from a target you need 3d information |
| 14:33.08 | jnwhiteh | and the mob stays there |
| 14:33.09 | jnwhiteh | SURE |
| 14:33.12 | jnwhiteh | you can tell how far you are from it |
| 14:33.13 | jnwhiteh | but that's about it. |
| 14:33.29 | jnwhiteh | but mobs have this pesky habit of moving |
| 14:33.39 | jnwhiteh | and as I've stated three times, we have no way to tell the position of an NPC |
| 14:33.44 | SenoraRaton | Yeah I can't really make the waypoing.... |
| 14:33.48 | jnwhiteh | or a non-raid/party member, actually |
| 14:33.59 | SenoraRaton | Hunters can, but thats class specific |
| 14:34.21 | jnwhiteh | Huh? |
| 14:34.27 | jnwhiteh | Hunters cannot make waypoints |
| 14:34.31 | jnwhiteh | they can make tracking dots |
| 14:34.34 | jnwhiteh | but we can't access those |
| 14:34.37 | jnwhiteh | and we can't get information about them |
| 14:34.56 | Adys | you can put stuff on the minimap from the map, but not the other way around |
| 14:35.03 | SenoraRaton | Well no, I CAN tell the position of a monster... |
| 14:35.13 | jnwhiteh | no you can't. |
| 14:35.15 | jnwhiteh | the game can draw a dot |
| 14:35.20 | SenoraRaton | If I know the barrier in ranges, and I can find that, I know where 10 yds from the monster is |
| 14:35.22 | jnwhiteh | so you as a person can tell relative distance and direction |
| 14:35.26 | jnwhiteh | but you cannot get that information programtically |
| 14:35.37 | Adys | SenoraRaton: that mob could be 10 yards above your head |
| 14:35.47 | SenoraRaton | I'm ignoring 3d ATM |
| 14:35.51 | jnwhiteh | *sigh* I really appreciate your enthusiasm.. but at some point you need to learn that we do actually know what we're talking about |
| 14:35.54 | jnwhiteh | even with 3D |
| 14:35.55 | ZorbaTHut | adys, in fairness, most of the time it isn't |
| 14:35.56 | jnwhiteh | err without |
| 14:36.04 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: but you still cannot get at those frames |
| 14:36.09 | jnwhiteh | they aren't hidden when you hide UIParent |
| 14:36.14 | SenoraRaton | Zorba, you said that information is avaliable? |
| 14:36.16 | jnwhiteh | they don't havea parent, and thus can't be enumerated by the APIs |
| 14:36.35 | ZorbaTHut | senora, the only information that's available is where you are, and roughly how far away a monster is from you, given by a range. Can't get more than that. |
| 14:36.46 | jnwhiteh | (which I said 10 minutes ago) |
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| 14:36.58 | ZorbaTHut | Given that information, I think you can actually do a pretty good job of narrowing down a monster location, with a little cleverness and with the player walking around a bit. |
| 14:37.12 | SenoraRaton | But can you update it? |
| 14:37.13 | Wobin | Meanwhile, that orc over there, has already killed it. |
| 14:37.18 | ZorbaTHut | what do you mean "update it"? |
| 14:37.30 | SenoraRaton | I'm thinking for boss fights woudl be its main use |
| 14:37.37 | ZorbaTHut | too slow for boss fights, really |
| 14:37.39 | jnwhiteh | we don't have any coordinate system whatsoever in boss fights |
| 14:37.39 | SenoraRaton | And that would be VERY useful |
| 14:37.41 | Adys | SenoraRaton: the API will never let you know how a monster mobes |
| 14:37.49 | Wobin | except for outdoor bosses |
| 14:37.52 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 14:37.52 | Adys | moves** |
| 14:37.55 | ZorbaTHut | and yeah, you have no coordinate info in instances |
| 14:38.20 | Wobin | anyway, why do you need to know more than "You are within range of X" for bosses? |
| 14:38.35 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, most bosses are not hard to find :) |
| 14:39.36 | amro | you usually follow a set strategy for positioning the boss, and that makes it easier |
| 14:39.36 | ZorbaTHut | you just look for the enormous exploding demon |
| 14:39.36 | SenoraRaton | I haven't raided.. so this may be speculation, but some bosses AoE in a certain range, and you have to leave range |
| 14:39.36 | jnwhiteh | and you can already do this |
| 14:39.36 | jnwhiteh | with spell detection |
| 14:39.36 | SenoraRaton | It would be nice to no exactly when your OUT of AoE range |
| 14:39.36 | jnwhiteh | and interaction distances |
| 14:39.36 | jnwhiteh | you are or you're not your |
| 14:39.36 | jnwhiteh | but yes, and we can and already do do that as much as possible |
| 14:39.36 | Wobin | (know) =) |
| 14:39.51 | jnwhiteh | there are addons that for pretty much any class can tell you if you're 30 yards away, or 40 yards away |
| 14:40.10 | Wobin | which is what all the AoE is based on. |
| 14:40.11 | SenoraRaton | Yeah bartender does it for me.:P Buttons are red when I'm outta range |
| 14:40.18 | amro | you can even find out when your ice stone melts |
| 14:40.20 | jnwhiteh | *forehead* |
| 14:40.20 | Wobin | Otherwise... Don't stand in the fire. |
| 14:40.29 | Wobin | Cause it Burns. |
| 14:40.35 | SenoraRaton | Noted. |
| 14:40.38 | jnwhiteh | SenoraRaton: a.) then why do you want somethign else b.) If an addon already does it, of course that granularity is possible |
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| 14:40.59 | SenoraRaton | Because an exact number would be useful... |
| 14:41.04 | Wobin | not really |
| 14:41.09 | jnwhiteh | Why? |
| 14:41.15 | Wobin | You're either in range or you're not |
| 14:41.18 | amro | it would be neat, but it's just not possible and that's intended that way |
| 14:41.20 | SenoraRaton | I'm an affliction loc... So my Aff spell range > 30 yars |
| 14:41.20 | jnwhiteh | You'd have to test the range of every AOE spell |
| 14:41.22 | jnwhiteh | to get a number |
| 14:41.24 | jnwhiteh | and them compare it |
| 14:41.33 | jnwhiteh | that's a pain in the ass amount of data collection |
| 14:41.35 | jnwhiteh | then spell detection |
| 14:41.40 | jnwhiteh | just so you can warn and give a number |
| 14:41.43 | SenoraRaton | So are some overlapping areas of range that I can fit in |
| 14:41.48 | jnwhiteh | otherwise HAVING the range number isn't even remotely useful |
| 14:42.04 | Wobin | SenoraRaton: I would conclusively say that all AoE encounters are designed that you either stay out of range completely, or you step in and out of range |
| 14:42.04 | SenoraRaton | .... My dreams are shattered.:P |
| 14:42.31 | jnwhiteh | Perhaps you should read up on the limitations of the UI |
| 14:42.38 | amro | knowing the distance to your target would be useful generally especially in pvp, but that's exactly why blizzard made sure it's not possible |
| 14:42.40 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: That's a bit hard =) |
| 14:42.45 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: why is that? |
| 14:42.50 | jnwhiteh | when you think within the parameters of what we're allowed/encouraged to do.. it makes things a lot easier |
| 14:42.50 | Wobin | Do we have a list? |
| 14:42.58 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: you don't need a list, thats why there are guidelines |
| 14:43.05 | SenoraRaton | But thats not innovative jn |
| 14:43.05 | jnwhiteh | the book is quite clear on what things are and aren't possible |
| 14:43.10 | jnwhiteh | and tell you how to figure it out |
| 14:43.14 | jnwhiteh | SenoraRaton: bullshit it snot |
| 14:43.26 | Adys | SenoraRaton: dont try to be innovative |
| 14:43.33 | jnwhiteh | you mean to tell me that because I develop my addons within the framework of what Blizzard allows.. my addons aren't innovative? |
| 14:43.42 | SenoraRaton | Why not? If I'm not, then I might as well go write another UI clone |
| 14:43.46 | jnwhiteh | That's just laughable |
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| 14:43.49 | Lopeppeppy | Being innovative is worthless when you want to innovate things that are expressly not possible. |
| 14:43.58 | Lopeppeppy | That's just running yourself in circles. |
| 14:43.59 | Adys | SenoraRaton: because if you try to be innovative your work will be worthless |
| 14:44.13 | Adys | Im being blunt maybe but its true |
| 14:44.20 | Wobin | pft |
| 14:44.23 | amro | SenoraRaton: there's a different between unfortunate technical limitations and limitations that blizzard set on purpose |
| 14:44.24 | Wobin | be innovative =) |
| 14:44.29 | SenoraRaton | Well everything I need/want is avaliable to me, and better written, and if it isn't and its useful, by the time I fiqure it out, it will be |
| 14:44.39 | jnwhiteh | SenoraRaton: that's a terrible attitude |
| 14:44.54 | Adys | SenoraRaton: have a look around at what's new, what's still needed etc |
| 14:44.57 | Adys | here's one for you |
| 14:45.02 | Adys | Ive been meaning to write an advanced video panel |
| 14:45.07 | SenoraRaton | Its what has stunted me on learning to actually code, I try to find something new, a new niche that no one else has worked on. |
| 14:45.10 | ZorbaTHut | I do agree that making yet another UI clone is a pointless waste of time :P |
| 14:45.15 | ZorbaTHut | senora, new niches are tough to find |
| 14:45.23 | jnwhiteh | Nor do you need to find one |
| 14:45.27 | jnwhiteh | Just do _something_ |
| 14:45.34 | ZorbaTHut | and most of the time, the reason they're not already inhabited is because they're really hard to implement, if not impossible. |
| 14:45.39 | jnwhiteh | the questions you are asking are incredibly basic and spending a week with the API would answer many of your questions |
| 14:46.26 | SenoraRaton | I'll concede your right, but I started reading the code, and was lost... So I tried an alternate route |
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| 14:46.34 | jnwhiteh | There is a book |
| 14:46.36 | jnwhiteh | I know, I wrote it |
| 14:46.43 | Wobin | SenoraRaton: Do you have much experience in coding? |
| 14:46.44 | jnwhiteh | There are online resources, I know.. we wrote many of them |
| 14:47.05 | jnwhiteh | There's plenty to help you find somethign that works for you |
| 14:47.06 | SenoraRaton | I did alot of perl scripting, and I played around with CSS/HTML/XML a LONG LONG time ago |
| 14:47.16 | Wobin | How's your grasp on Lua? |
| 14:47.22 | SenoraRaton | Nonexistant? |
| 14:47.23 | jnwhiteh | But I would highly suggest you stop trying to find a niche and actually just write an addon. |
| 14:47.26 | jnwhiteh | doesn't matter what it does |
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| 14:47.26 | amro | ~pil |
| 14:47.27 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 14:47.28 | jnwhiteh | just write an addon. |
| 14:47.31 | Wobin | cause Programming In Lua is a good source to read |
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| 14:47.35 | SenoraRaton | I downloaded the manual |
| 14:47.36 | Wobin | ta amro =) |
| 14:47.43 | SenoraRaton | The lau is the easy part, the XML is the beast |
| 14:47.43 | jnwhiteh | Manual is not the same as PiL |
| 14:47.48 | jnwhiteh | you don't need to touch XML |
| 14:47.50 | jnwhiteh | and the XML is trivial |
| 14:47.54 | Wobin | XML isn't necessary at all |
| 14:47.58 | amro | I'd say lua is the beast :) |
| 14:48.02 | jnwhiteh | took me two chapters to cover it in its entirety |
| 14:48.07 | jnwhiteh | took me five chapters to cover Lua |
| 14:48.30 | SenoraRaton | Is there a PDF version of the PIL book? |
| 14:48.35 | Adys | ~pil |
| 14:48.35 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 14:48.37 | jnwhiteh | Its available online |
| 14:48.42 | jnwhiteh | in the link they already gave you |
| 14:48.47 | jnwhiteh | its an older version, but it's still relevant |
| 14:48.53 | jnwhiteh | although has some differences from the newest version |
| 14:48.55 | SenoraRaton | Yeah... I don't have persistent internet connection |
| 14:48.58 | jnwhiteh | which is only available in print |
| 14:49.03 | jnwhiteh | well, that's why books are for sale :P |
| 14:49.08 | jnwhiteh | you don't need to be online to read them |
| 14:49.18 | SenoraRaton | That costs money... *gasp* |
| 14:49.21 | ZorbaTHut | senora, just download it. if you find a copy of wget, you can mirror that chunk of the site. |
| 14:49.24 | jnwhiteh | oh tehnoes! |
| 14:49.37 | ZorbaTHut | also, if you don't have a persistent internet connection, you're gonna have trouble writing wow plugins :P |
| 14:49.50 | amro | indeed |
| 14:50.03 | Wobin | even worse with queues >< |
| 14:50.10 | SenoraRaton | I'm fighting with the cable company to install my cable... for now I'm stuck on wifi at the local java shack |
| 14:50.16 | Adys | if you dont have a persistent internet connection, you're going to have a persistent internet connection |
| 14:50.22 | Adys | see |
| 14:50.30 | Adys | it was true before i even wrote that |
| 14:50.57 | Wobin | If you don't have X, you have X? |
| 14:51.08 | Adys | if X is a persistent internet connection yeah |
| 14:51.11 | Wobin | Very Zen =P |
| 14:51.36 | Adys | its one of those things you cant really get away with |
| 14:51.55 | SenoraRaton | Well you can, people just think your weird spening 8 hours in the coffee shop..... >.< |
| 14:52.01 | SenoraRaton | Everyday... >.< |
| 14:52.02 | Wobin | Isn't that more "If you don't have a persistant internet connection you're going to -need- a persistant internet connection"? |
| 14:52.08 | Adys | yes |
| 14:52.16 | Adys | need it to the point that youll get one |
| 14:52.18 | Wobin | well, see, that statement makes more sense =P |
| 14:52.28 | Adys | yeah yet i havent modified it a bit |
| 14:52.36 | Adys | funny thing this relativity |
| 14:52.37 | Wobin | .:Adys:. if you dont have a persistent internet connection, you're going to have a persistent internet connection |
| 14:52.49 | Wobin | If you don't have a persistant internet connection you're going to -need- a persistant internet connection |
| 14:52.57 | Adys | SenoraRaton: have a bit of reading, take an addon you like, modify it to your own needs, have a look at how its written |
| 14:53.00 | Adys | trial and error |
| 14:53.06 | Wobin | one of those statements is not like the other one |
| 14:53.11 | Wobin | one of those statements is not the same =P |
| 14:53.12 | SenoraRaton | Step one... Is it plugged in, if its not plugged in, plug it in.:P |
| 14:53.27 | Adys | lua is a simple language, in a week youll have a very solid knowledge of what you need |
| 14:53.28 | amro | if you dont have a persistent internet connection, you're going to *get* a persistent internet connection <-- doesn't fry my brain |
| 14:53.35 | cog|sleep | Happy you-descended-from-fish day! |
| 14:53.49 | Wobin | Is it Darwin Day already? |
| 14:53.56 | Adys | whats with male npcs |
| 14:54.00 | Adys | telling my male dwarf |
| 14:54.05 | Wobin | amro: sure. But Adys didn't say that |
| 14:54.08 | Adys | "I would like you better if you applied some perfume" |
| 14:54.18 | amro | Wobin: yes I was correcting his incoherent babble |
| 14:54.30 | Wobin | Adys: Well, with dwarves it's always difficult to tell |
| 14:54.32 | SenoraRaton | My real confusion was with the API calls, the all seemed interconnected |
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| 14:54.59 | Wobin | SenoraRaton: how so? |
| 14:55.17 | Cide | it's like if they all belong to the same entity.. like.. a game |
| 14:55.27 | Cide | s/like if/as if/ |
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| 14:56.30 | Adys | Teomyr: hey you stalker |
| 14:57.05 | SenoraRaton | I dunno, I'm just tired... Sorry to be innovative.:) I think maybe I'll just DO something first.:P |
| 14:57.27 | Adys | deja vu |
| 14:57.39 | Teomyr | Adys: oh hai |
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| 15:06.42 | Wobin | night folks |
| 15:06.46 | cog|fish | nn |
| 15:07.00 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep well. |
| 15:07.05 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel... you're... fishing? |
| 15:07.39 | Cide | and teaching others, too! |
| 15:07.49 | cog|fish | i *am* a fish |
| 15:08.07 | cog|fish | like all y'all vertibrates :P |
| 15:08.42 | cog|fish | http://www.amazon.com/Your-Inner-Fish-Journey-3-5-Billion-Year/dp/0375424474 |
| 15:13.42 | cog|fish | "...then stay for a special 'Survival of the Fittest' concert, featuring folk-singer Peter Tracy (a natural selection, to be sure)" >< |
| 15:14.01 | Seerah | :) |
| 15:19.35 | amro | "If you liked season one, you are going to love season two. However, if you only liked season one for the racy sex scenes, you will be disappointed." |
| 15:19.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:20.57 | cog|fish | Hex? |
| 15:21.56 | Lopeppeppy | Always practice safe hex. |
| 15:23.21 | cog|fish | bbl |
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| 15:54.12 | Eufemia | purl, purl? |
| 15:54.13 | purl | ACTION purrs |
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| 15:59.42 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 15:59.42 | purl | Lopeppeppy: thanks |
| 16:04.07 | Cide | purl purrls imo |
| 16:05.59 | Lopeppeppy | I dunno. She doesn't seem the knitting type |
| 16:06.33 | cog|fish | ~knit purl |
| 16:06.49 | alestane | cog|fish: |fish ? |
| 16:07.01 | cog|fish | happy darwin day ;) |
| 16:07.19 | alestane | Ah, that kind of fish. |
| 16:07.29 | cog|fish | http://www.amazon.com/Your-Inner-Fish-Journey-3-5-Billion-Year/dp/0375424474 |
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| 16:11.16 | cog|fish | new sig: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336800829&sid=1#197 |
| 16:12.00 | cog|fish | err http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336800829&postId=149893983569&sid=1#197 |
| 16:12.16 | Shirik | ? |
| 16:12.17 | Shirik | oh |
| 16:12.18 | Shirik | heh |
| 16:12.57 | Lopeppeppy | zomg necrothread! |
| 16:13.10 | cog|fish | ~lart me |
| 16:13.10 | purl | cats /dev/urandom into cog|fish's ear |
| 16:13.23 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy denied hugglage :( |
| 16:13.50 | Shirik | fish? |
| 16:14.18 | cog|fish | http://blog.cogwheel.info/2009/02/happy-darwin-day.html |
| 16:14.27 | Shirik | gg |
| 16:14.30 | Shirik | g2g, that is |
| 16:14.33 | Shirik | byebye |
| 16:14.39 | alestane | cog|fish: Was the HTML in your sig supposed to parse? |
| 16:14.45 | cog|fish | no |
| 16:14.50 | cog|fish | it's supposed to be very subtle |
| 16:15.02 | cog|fish | so far only Lunessa has identified its meaning |
| 16:20.11 | Lopeppeppy | I dunno such subtle taxes. |
| 16:20.46 | Lopeppeppy | Unless it's just for adultery.... which seems wrong. |
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| 17:16.16 | Mochito | o_O |
| 17:17.18 | cog|fish | O_o |
| 17:17.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 17:17.39 | alestane | oO_Oo |
| 17:17.46 | Lopeppeppy | Peeking is rude, alestane. |
| 17:17.49 | cog|fish | four eyes |
| 17:18.06 | Lopeppeppy | I see peeking eyes with hands. |
| 17:18.22 | cog|fish | Î_Î |
| 17:18.33 | alestane | A frog? |
| 17:19.10 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Like hanging off a fence to look over? |
| 17:19.17 | Mochito | hello thar, i could use some professional help; i want to export my ui so i can share it, but the thing is, that you have to loead some profiles ingame (quite normal) but, what im trying to do is, editing the savedvariables to make them load default from the beginning (some addons don't) i managed to do so with elkanobuffbars but i failed at Bartender4 =/ so i wonder, is there a)an easier way (like a tool or something) or b) does somebody have time to help |
| 17:19.21 | Mochito | WALL OF TEXT xD |
| 17:20.08 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, yes. |
| 17:21.25 | alestane | I think if I were trying to do that I'd probably use mO_Om |
| 17:25.26 | Lopeppeppy | True. |
| 17:26.12 | Fisker- | think you can stop me? |
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| 17:27.21 | Fisker- | fu |
| 17:27.27 | Fisker- | this isn't oooooveeeeeer |
| 17:27.57 | alestane | or -m°-°m- |
| 17:28.10 | cog|fish | that looks more like peeking imo |
| 17:28.29 | cog|fish | |-o-| < tie fighter pew pew |
| 17:28.35 | Fisker- | <<<< |
| 17:28.37 | Fisker- | Star destroyer |
| 17:31.41 | ZorbaTHut | I'm seriously thinking about corpsecamping Orgrimmar to get this troll rogue :P |
| 17:32.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=Shirik@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 17:32.43 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 17:32.48 | nevcairiel | i got one in dalaran |
| 17:33.08 | Shirik | rawr |
| 17:33.18 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR |
| 17:34.19 | Hirsute | Yay for fishing in phased Org for Old Crafty |
| 17:35.14 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. |
| 17:35.18 | Lopeppeppy | I hear a lot of people enjoy that. |
| 17:35.29 | Hirsute | 350 unmolested casts, 1 Old Crafty |
| 17:35.41 | Shirik | Hirsute is alliance? |
| 17:35.41 | nevcairiel | I should've done that while i was still phased |
| 17:35.47 | Hirsute | Shirik: Yep |
| 17:35.49 | nevcairiel | but i unphased for the elders event |
| 17:35.51 | Shirik | CHETRAR |
| 17:36.12 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 17:36.28 | amro | phasing is for failures. if any orcs get in your way, use them as bait |
| 17:36.39 | Zootfizzle | ^^ |
| 17:37.00 | Hirsute | Heh. I would, but they nerfed me into the ground a couple of patches ago. |
| 17:37.02 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 17:37.04 | Hirsute | <.< |
| 17:37.07 | Shirik | oh qq |
| 17:37.12 | Shirik | you don't see me relying on a phased org! |
| 17:37.17 | Hirsute | (notice the shifty eyes) |
| 17:37.29 | cog|fish | eek a zoot! |
| 17:37.40 | Hirsute | By the way, Hi Zootfizzle! |
| 17:37.57 | Shirik | This is where Zootfizzle is going "I should have remained silent >.>" |
| 17:38.12 | Hirsute | Meh, just wanted to say "Hi". I won't pester him any more. |
| 17:38.22 | nevcairiel | Shirik will |
| 17:38.26 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 17:38.48 | Zootfizzle | Heya! |
| 17:39.30 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:39.42 | Shirik | I've not been mean to Zootfizzle lately |
| 17:39.45 | Shirik | he is busy man |
| 17:40.57 | cog|fish | the only other cog i know got that way by marriage :( |
| 17:42.31 | Zootfizzle | Well, maybe if you improved your technology you could recruit more! |
| 17:42.37 | Shirik | ouch |
| 17:42.41 | Zootfizzle | Try adding some sprockets? |
| 17:43.02 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not sure that crossbreeding is a viable option. |
| 17:43.09 | Shirik | >< |
| 17:43.14 | Hirsute | The children would be sterile. |
| 17:43.26 | Hirsute | You'd have a brief increase in population, but it would only last one generation. |
| 17:43.56 | Hirsute | Besides, what would you call them? Sprogs? Cockets? |
| 17:43.58 | Hirsute | :x |
| 17:44.02 | Lopeppeppy | Thank god, abomination is abominable. |
| 17:44.04 | Shirik | ... |
| 17:44.08 | Shirik | Hirsute >< |
| 17:44.13 | Hirsute | Heh. |
| 17:44.23 | Hirsute | I should go back to listening to this Dermatology lecture... |
| 17:44.24 | Zootfizzle | I just meant to his technology =X |
| 17:44.55 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Technology can always be improved. Go ask a goblin! |
| 17:45.50 | amro | if you consider gunpowder to be an improvement |
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| 17:47.41 | Lopeppeppy | Explosives are always an improvement. |
| 17:48.29 | alestane | Meh. Gunpowder is for sissies. Nitroethanoleride is where it's at! |
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| 17:52.34 | Lopeppeppy | Well... if you really want to, you can bring some of that to my alchemy bench and I'll brew up a brand new type of shadow power potion for you, how would that be? |
| 17:53.53 | alestane | No. I have seen what happens when Peppy plays with alchemy! |
| 17:54.03 | alestane | Slime! |
| 17:55.12 | Lopeppeppy | Baby. |
| 18:01.30 | foxlit | So, LFM: catch "gains heartbroken", display button, profit. |
| 18:01.52 | Shirik | I'm heartbroken |
| 18:02.27 | foxlit | Your hearthstone is broken? |
| 18:02.38 | Shirik | no |
| 18:02.42 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy broke my heart |
| 18:03.22 | Lopeppeppy | How'd I do that today, Shirik? |
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| 18:04.13 | Lunessa | station! |
| 18:06.47 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Apparently by missing the last train to Clarksville. |
| 18:06.53 | Shirik | the what? |
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| 18:07.35 | aesir | stop monkeying around, alestane. This is serious. |
| 18:07.49 | alestane | feels, even. |
| 18:07.52 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:07.55 | Hirsute-Exile | Well, that was fun. |
| 18:08.10 | Lopeppeppy | I still don't know what I didn't do! |
| 18:08.11 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 18:11.43 | Shirik | I don't know what you didn't do, either :) |
| 18:12.14 | Lopeppeppy | you're such a PITA. |
| 18:12.29 | Lunessa | alestane: I'll meet you at the station You can be here by 4:30 I've already made your reservation. |
| 18:13.10 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:13.48 | alestane | Lunessa: When you came in, Lopeppeppy was just asking how she broke Shirik's heart today, so "Station!" looked like the answer. I just ran with it. |
| 18:15.25 | ccox | cog|fish: that's pretty obscure... |
| 18:17.48 | Lunessa | Hey hey we're the Monkees. And people say we monkey around. But we're too busy singing to put anybody down. |
| 18:17.58 | ccox | (and assumes people have Zapfino or know the glyph mapping for it) |
| 18:18.11 | foxlit | So, quick poll |
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| 18:18.25 | foxlit | How do you people interpret the "defaults" button for UIOptionsPanels |
| 18:18.54 | foxlit | Is it "wipe your configuration entirely"? |
| 18:19.10 | foxlit | Is it "restore this miniscule segment of configuration I can see right now to default values"? |
| 18:19.24 | Lopeppeppy | Default = revert back to whatever the default was. I assume it means the whole entire thing, not just portion A. |
| 18:19.28 | cog|fish | ccox: the sig? |
| 18:19.38 | ccox | cog - yes |
| 18:19.48 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: suppose you implement profiles |
| 18:20.01 | ccox | but it is kinda cute/funny |
| 18:20.24 | foxlit | When you click "default", do you expect to wipe all of your profiles (returning to the mod's "default" state)? |
| 18:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | Foxlit. If you're making a "revert to default" button, simply put in a text below to say what "revert to default" means in your mod. |
| 18:20.54 | alestane | foxlit: I woldn't, but I might revert to using the default profile. |
| 18:20.55 | Lopeppeppy | But yes, I assume everything I ever did to that mod is gone, if I request the defaults back. |
| 18:20.57 | amro | default should reset values to default, in case the user screws up |
| 18:21.00 | foxlit | That button already exists, unfortunately |
| 18:21.22 | Lopeppeppy | I always assume the jolly candylike button blows stuff up. |
| 18:21.27 | foxlit | It just lacks sufficient granularity in interpretation |
| 18:22.10 | foxlit | alestane: and have the default profile be something that you can't modify? |
| 18:22.21 | foxlit | (or revert any potential changes made to _it_ as well?) |
| 18:22.43 | alestane | I'd probably separate the installed default from the user default. |
| 18:22.57 | cog|fish | ccox: i was a bit worried that anything more explicit would violate the forum CoC ;) |
| 18:23.10 | alestane | The profiles they've created or modified still exist, but none of them are being used anymore. |
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| 18:29.12 | AbsolutRayne | Neat little tip. Unless Cellular is updated, it seems to still be interfering with the new GM interface |
| 18:29.21 | Lunessa | cog|fish: "If you refuse to learn to fish, despite all the teaching I've done, all I can do is SET YOU ON FIRE!" |
| 18:29.34 | Lopeppeppy | Sexy, AbsolutRayne. |
| 18:29.55 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Yeah, it opened the GM window, and a Cellular PST window |
| 18:29.57 | AbsolutRayne | Was kinda neat |
| 18:30.07 | Vilkku | how can I make a broker mod appear to the right on titan panel? |
| 18:30.07 | Lopeppeppy | Well, at least it opened the GM window. |
| 18:30.31 | cog|fish | you will feel the WRATH OF COG! |
| 18:30.45 | AbsolutRayne | cog|fish: /cower |
| 18:31.06 | Lunessa | "You Trogg bastards, you killed my city!" |
| 18:31.28 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Youre back to using my UI full time, right? |
| 18:32.53 | Lopeppeppy | On my laptop, yes. The desktop that crashes WoW, not so much. |
| 18:34.33 | AbsolutRayne | Did you have ANY install issues whatsoever? Missing Profiles, stuff that was just wrong? |
| 18:34.33 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: February 12th, 2009 11:28am PST |
| 18:34.33 | Shiibot | We will be performing rolling restarts on all US realms starting at 10:30 AM PST to apply a hotfix. We anticipate that each realm will be down for no more than 15 minutes. The overall process will last approximately 1 hour. Thank you for your patience. |
| 18:34.33 | Shiibot | February 11th, 2009 11:58pm PST |
| 18:35.01 | Hirsute | Yay. Bye-bye melting Icestone |
| 18:35.13 | AbsolutRayne | Im trying to explain to this guy in PMs that it must be something he did wrong |
| 18:37.09 | Lopeppeppy | I had no issues. Not all addons have profiles, you do have to set a few of them up yourself, but that's just normal and should NOT be a big deal. |
| 18:37.21 | cog|fish | Lunessa: happy darwin day! |
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| 18:37.57 | Lunessa | ... are the awards being handed out? |
| 18:38.26 | AbsolutRayne | Hes claiming that http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/8rkh-6-jpg.html , the fact that the ABs didnt properly align, is my fault because the profile didnt load correctly |
| 18:38.26 | aesir | It's his 200th birthday or something. google.com has art up for it. |
| 18:38.26 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: February 12th, 2009 11:28am PST |
| 18:38.26 | Shiibot | We will be performing rolling restarts on all US realms starting at 10:30 AM PST to apply a hotfix. We anticipate that each realm will be down for no more than 15 minutes. The overall process will last approximately 1 hour. Thank you for your patience. |
| 18:38.26 | Shiibot | February 11th, 2009 11:58pm PST |
| 18:38.35 | AbsolutRayne | Im about ready to just stop arguing with him |
| 18:40.45 | Lunessa | I am totally out of touch... I haven't listened to news, watched TV, read a paper, or even looked at Google yet today. |
| 18:41.42 | Shirik | ~lart Shiibot |
| 18:41.42 | purl | holds Shiibot to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
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| 18:42.13 | Lopeppeppy | AbsolutRayne, mine didn't line up either because my screen size was different than yours. OMG I unlocked and moved them where I wanted them. |
| 18:42.24 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: |
| 18:42.29 | Shirik | AbsolutRayne: |
| 18:42.32 | AbsolutRayne | \o/ ZOMG |
| 18:42.39 | AbsolutRayne | Shirik: |
| 18:42.48 | Lopeppeppy | You created this UI on your computer, for YOU. If he wants to use it on another computer, that's his own risk and he should be ready to do some freakin' work to customize it the rest of the way. |
| 18:42.56 | AbsolutRayne | Sorry, not used to this Keyboard just yet -_- |
| 18:43.09 | AbsolutRayne | My \ Key is actually under the Enter button |
| 18:43.25 | Shirik | :P |
| 18:43.35 | Lunessa | What the hell kind of non-QWERTY keyboard do you have? |
| 18:43.47 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: You actually expect people to do work? |
| 18:43.48 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 18:44.09 | AbsolutRayne | Its a QWERTY |
| 18:44.14 | AbsolutRayne | just that buttons not where it should be |
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| 18:44.18 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: QWERTY has very little to do with the location of any keys other than the letter keys |
| 18:44.40 | Shirik | yeah |
| 18:44.46 | Shirik | Macs have QWERTY keyboards |
| 18:44.52 | Shirik | but they don't have a fricking "end" or "home" key |
| 18:44.58 | Shirik | ^ why I will never use a macbook |
| 18:45.18 | haste | where do you use those? |
| 18:45.24 | Shirik | I use them all the time |
| 18:45.36 | durcyn | uh, cmd-left, cmd-right |
| 18:45.40 | Shirik | too hard |
| 18:45.42 | foxlit | Shirik: some modifier + arrows |
| 18:45.44 | Lunessa | Shirik: My Apple Keyboard has both of those keys. |
| 18:45.51 | foxlit | actually surprisingly easy |
| 18:45.55 | Shirik | Lunessa: I meant to say macbook |
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| 18:46.05 | Lunessa | ^^ |
| 18:46.37 | cog|fish | is it just me or is the universe flipping us off? http://hubblesite.org/gallery/album/nebula_collection/pr2000006a/ |
| 18:46.39 | zenzelezz | I dislike Mac shortcuts because they love the Command key, which is awkwardly placed on my keyboard |
| 18:46.53 | haste | still don't know where you use them :D |
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| 18:47.00 | AbsolutRayne | http://www.thesource.ca/estore/Product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&category=Input+Devices+Keyboards&product=2616498 |
| 18:47.02 | AbsolutRayne | What im using |
| 18:47.16 | |pez| | cog|fish: I don't see it? :o |
| 18:47.19 | Lunessa | Just you Cog. |
| 18:47.22 | cog|fish | upper-left |
| 18:47.38 | haste | wth AbsolutRayne |
| 18:47.45 | haste | eww |
| 18:47.51 | |pez| | oh, lol. Saw it |
| 18:47.52 | haste | it has the home/end row changed |
| 18:48.15 | Zootfizzle | It looks like a bird landing on someone's hand |
| 18:48.21 | Zootfizzle | They should name it the Falconer's Nebula :P |
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| 18:48.47 | AbsolutRayne | Zootfizzle: You should totally email them about that! |
| 18:49.00 | haste | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001221.html comes to mind |
| 18:49.01 | Lunessa | AbsolutRayne: That's odd key placement. |
| 18:49.02 | AbsolutRayne | You could make billions |
| 18:49.04 | Lopeppeppy | Looks like a race bunny to me, up on his mark. |
| 18:49.36 | AbsolutRayne | Lunessa: Doesnt really bother me alot, tbqh. I kinda like it, seeing as my Raid Markings are bound to my keyboard |
| 18:49.43 | Shirik | haste: I use them mostly for coding |
| 18:49.51 | Shirik | end shift home backspace <-- delete line |
| 18:49.52 | Shirik | etc., |
| 18:50.00 | Shirik | (When I'm not on vim, of course) |
| 18:50.33 | Shirik | home tab <-- tabulate line |
| 18:50.35 | Shirik | etc. |
| 18:50.41 | AbsolutRayne | my Cellular history was over 1400kb in size |
| 18:50.43 | AbsolutRayne | O_o |
| 18:50.44 | Shirik | I use home and end subconsiously now quite frequently |
| 18:50.50 | Shirik | I can't imagine not having them |
| 18:50.52 | haste | also, caps-lock here is backspace |
| 18:51.25 | cog|fish | interesting... http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/doublefinger.jpg |
| 18:51.45 | cog|fish | i wonder if those structures have a related cause... |
| 18:52.28 | Lunessa | cog|fish: I hate to say it, but those don't look like fingers to me. They look like something NSFW |
| 18:52.49 | cog|fish | Lunessa: i hate to say it but that wasn't lost on me either... |
| 18:53.15 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: February 12th, 2009 10:45am PST |
| 18:53.15 | Shiibot | We will be performing rolling restarts on all realms starting at 10:30 AM PST to apply a hotfix. We anticipate that each realm will be down for no more than 15 minutes. The overall process will last approximately 1 hour. Thank you for your patience. |
| 18:53.15 | Shiibot | February 11th, 2009 11:58pm PST |
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| 19:01.29 | cog|fish | http://hubblesite.org/gallery/album/nebula_collection/pr2008034a/ this one has a hallowed wand wisp! |
| 19:01.41 | Shirik | wtf are they going back in time? |
| 19:01.44 | cog|fish | http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/nebula_wisp.jpg |
| 19:01.56 | cog|fish | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=20414#screenshots |
| 19:02.10 | Shirik | (13:38:17) (@Shiibot) New WoW-US Server Alert: February 12th, 2009 11:28am PST |
| 19:02.11 | Shirik | (13:53:06) (@Shiibot) New WoW-US Server Alert: February 12th, 2009 10:45am PST |
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| 19:02.27 | ReAn[Laptop] | what's the smallest accepted dimensions for an image in wow? |
| 19:02.29 | ReAn[Laptop] | 16x16 ? |
| 19:02.48 | cog|fish | i think you can go as low as 1x1 |
| 19:02.59 | ReAn[Laptop] | as long as it's base 2? |
| 19:03.02 | cog|fish | yep |
| 19:03.09 | cog|fish | well, a power of 2 |
| 19:03.10 | foxlit | "Ghostcrawler: At the same time we implement dual specs, we will also be setting up a gear system. The feature is called âGear Manager.â It can also be used to just swap weapons or trinkets or put on that tuxedo to strut around town. It will not automatically switch your gear when you change your talent spec, but it will allow for an easy gear change between them. The feature may not be fully functional immediately in the PTR |
| 19:03.13 | cog|fish | to be pedantic |
| 19:03.14 | foxlit | (cutoff?) |
| 19:03.18 | Shirik | 1x1 is a power of 2 |
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| 19:03.41 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.suckatlife.com/pepsiLogoBlowatlife.html |
| 19:03.43 | ReAn[Laptop] | er, yea, power of 2 i mean |
| 19:03.54 | ReAn[Laptop] | now to figure out how Backdrop Edge files work >_> |
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| 19:05.53 | Tem | I need a smart ish mp3 tag editor |
| 19:05.58 | *** join/#wowuidev KarlKFI (n=chatzill@adcom137.adcom.uci.edu) |
| 19:06.03 | haste | Tem: for what? |
| 19:06.14 | Tem | when itunes imports the parts of this book, it completely fucks up their names |
| 19:06.19 | Tem | putting them out of order |
| 19:06.23 | haste | tag & rename on windows, exfalso on linux |
| 19:06.39 | Tem | listening to an audio book out of order is... |
| 19:06.58 | Lopeppeppy | painful |
| 19:06.59 | Tem | and this book happens to be broken into 189 12 minute parts |
| 19:07.05 | haste | :D |
| 19:07.12 | Tem | so I can't easily fix it myself |
| 19:07.25 | KarlKFI | sure it didn't give it a track #? |
| 19:08.07 | KarlKFI | default sort is by name, but you can sort my track number if they were populated |
| 19:08.12 | KarlKFI | by* |
| 19:08.42 | KarlKFI | or you can sort by import date |
| 19:09.46 | Tem | import date doesn't help me since I did them all at once |
| 19:10.40 | KarlKFI | time should be different, probably imported in order of file name |
| 19:11.26 | KarlKFI | unless it just stuck the operation time on it |
| 19:11.32 | Tem | also, they don't have track numbers |
| 19:11.46 | KarlKFI | what were they before? mp3s? |
| 19:12.41 | KarlKFI | if the file names are ordered you can add a display column for file name and sort by that i think... |
| 19:13.38 | Tem | they were mp3s before, yes |
| 19:13.53 | Tem | but they must be ordered by name |
| 19:14.01 | Tem | so that I can play them in order on my ipod |
| 19:14.12 | Tem | that's the only reason I'd import it it to itunes in the first place |
| 19:14.31 | Tem | haste, does this tag&rename have any regex features? |
| 19:14.42 | KarlKFI | i think there's a merge with chapters function for audio books if you sort it int he right order and then merge |
| 19:14.49 | Tem | I feel like I'd be done by now on linux |
| 19:14.49 | haste | Tem: no idea, I don't run windows |
| 19:15.03 | haste | Tem: it's what the tag nazis I know recommend on windows tho\ |
| 19:15.42 | Tem | with clever use of command line piping |
| 19:16.04 | haste | exfalso surpases the commandline! |
| 19:17.35 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.44 | KarlKFI | oh also if they were mp3s you'll want to convert them to audiobook format so they're bookmarkable |
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| 19:18.57 | KarlKFI | so that you can resume listening where you left off |
| 19:19.08 | haste | mp3 is such a sadface format :( |
| 19:19.17 | haste | mostly because of its use of id3vx |
| 19:19.25 | jnwhiteh | Does [Love Fool] have charges |
| 19:19.26 | Tem | KarlKFI, I did on the previous book |
| 19:19.28 | jnwhiteh | or is it one-use? |
| 19:19.52 | haste | one-use I believe |
| 19:20.00 | haste | it stacks at least :p |
| 19:20.41 | KarlKFI | http://www.applesource.com.au/photos/soa/How-to-create-audio-books-in-iTunes/0,2000068552,339293735,00.htm |
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| 19:22.17 | KarlKFI | doesn't really give a good option for renaming tho |
| 19:23.57 | Tem | victory is mine |
| 19:24.26 | Tem | tag&rename allowed me to add track numbers by parsing the file names |
| 19:24.40 | Tem | once I had track numbers, I renamed the files to something more sane |
| 19:24.48 | Tem | and then set the title to match |
| 19:24.53 | Tem | now itunes doesn't barf on them |
| 19:25.02 | Lopeppeppy | And you are a happier Tem. |
| 19:25.18 | Tem | The filenames were too long so itunes was having a hard time figuring out wtf to do |
| 19:25.30 | durcyn | should just feed it through musicbrainz |
| 19:25.34 | Tem | Audiobooks - Terry Goodkind - Stone of Tears - Part 001 of.mp3 |
| 19:25.41 | haste | musicbrainz :( |
| 19:25.47 | Tem | -> Stone of Tears - 001.mp3 |
| 19:26.07 | durcyn | though it admittedly sucks for audiobooks |
| 19:26.10 | durcyn | so nevermind. |
| 19:26.16 | KarlKFI | you can also merge each chapter into 1 file, since it's bookmarked you dotn reall yneed them in smaller files |
| 19:26.54 | Tem | KarlKFI, the ability to create chapters is pretty cool |
| 19:27.39 | Tekkub | oh |
| 19:27.40 | Tekkub | mah |
| 19:27.41 | Tekkub | god |
| 19:27.42 | Tekkub | http://www.johnnywander.com/node/133 |
| 19:27.48 | Tekkub | someone finally pinned it down |
| 19:28.20 | alestane | That amuses me. |
| 19:28.51 | KarlKFI | prolly also want to check skip when shuffling |
| 19:29.55 | alestane | Where is that box? |
| 19:30.06 | alestane | That sounds like an interesting checkbox. |
| 19:31.02 | KarlKFI | select > get info > options > skip when shuffling |
| 19:31.55 | KarlKFI | also there's an option to not play unchecked songs when shuffling, so you can just uncheck them |
| 19:32.05 | KarlKFI | on the mian display |
| 19:32.07 | KarlKFI | main |
| 19:32.22 | alestane | That I knew about. |
| 19:32.22 | KarlKFI | but i dont remember if that works ont he ipod |
| 19:32.59 | Tem | I imagine it does |
| 19:33.12 | Tem | (the skip when shuffling option) |
| 19:33.13 | KarlKFI | it might. they might do the same thing |
| 19:33.26 | Tem | it probably hides the info in the file itself |
| 19:33.27 | KarlKFI | oh i know the individual skip when shuffling does |
| 19:33.34 | Tem | which lets the ipod know as wello |
| 19:33.39 | KarlKFI | i'm not sure about the one on the main display |
| 19:34.25 | KarlKFI | I know a lot of the main display info used to be saved in a database file and not actually on the file itself. |
| 19:34.25 | Tem | also, itunes needs to give me better control over how I sync my books |
| 19:34.30 | alestane | I believe you can control whether or not unchecked songs are copied to the iPod at all. |
| 19:34.36 | KarlKFI | that too |
| 19:34.46 | KarlKFI | for auto-sync |
| 19:34.55 | Tem | I don't want to deal with that |
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| 19:35.03 | Tem | I wish it worked like podcasts |
| 19:35.14 | Tem | where I can sync certain podcasts |
| 19:35.28 | KarlKFI | you can, if you mark it as an audio book |
| 19:35.28 | Tem | or only sync "new" podcasts |
| 19:35.36 | Tem | I did mark is as an audiobook |
| 19:35.51 | Tem | and the only control it gives me is if I don't sync all my music |
| 19:35.59 | Tem | then I can choose to take ALL audiobooks at once or none |
| 19:36.32 | KarlKFI | that doesn't sound right.. |
| 19:36.46 | AbsolutRayne | Whats an addon that will tell me how much gold I have on all my Characters? |
| 19:36.53 | Lunessa | Oreo cake is sinful. |
| 19:37.00 | KarlKFI | oh i know |
| 19:37.04 | Tem | it treats audiobooks as a single large playlist |
| 19:37.05 | KarlKFI | make a smart playlist |
| 19:37.08 | alestane | Lunessa: According to what dogma? |
| 19:37.14 | KarlKFI | with a played count |
| 19:37.17 | Tem | so I have to choose to only sync certain playlists |
| 19:37.20 | End | ugh @ people bitching because they installed a beta version and the beta has a bug |
| 19:37.21 | jnwhiteh | whats the lowest level you can enter culling of strat? |
| 19:37.30 | End | the bug report is good but I don't need the bitching |
| 19:37.38 | KarlKFI | Just make a smart playlist that only has tracks with play count = 0 |
| 19:37.41 | Hirsute | End: *nod* |
| 19:37.48 | Lunessa | alestane: The modern dogma of "You can never, be too thin, too rich, or too good-looking." |
| 19:38.46 | AbsolutRayne | Anyone? |
| 19:38.53 | AbsolutRayne | I remember having one back in the BC days |
| 19:39.22 | KarlKFI | any xchar bank mod should tell you |
| 19:39.37 | KarlKFI | granted thats overkill |
| 19:39.38 | alestane | AbsolutRayne: I've never really worried about it. I just toon-hop until I find the money I need, and usually start with the ones I think have it to spare. |
| 19:40.23 | AbsolutRayne | I just want to see if I have enough G to dump on my Rogue for Epic Flight |
| 19:40.25 | AbsolutRayne | lol |
| 19:40.25 | Cide | lua> 6*24 |
| 19:40.25 | lua_bot | Cide: 144 |
| 19:40.31 | AbsolutRayne | Just dinged77 |
| 19:41.19 | ReAn[Laptop] | Anyone know anything about edge files for SetBackdrop |
| 19:41.27 | ReAn[Laptop] | im having real issues getting mine to work >_> |
| 19:41.53 | Lunessa | I have a system. I send all my spare (anything about 300g) to a banker-toon which is in a vanity guild. Deposit all monies in vanity guild's guild bank. Look at bank online when I want to know how much money I have stashed. |
| 19:42.14 | KarlKFI | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_SetBackdrop |
| 19:43.01 | AbsolutRayne | I cant figure out whats worse |
| 19:43.14 | AbsolutRayne | That im dumping all my gold onto an alt, or that its my3rd 80 |
| 19:43.16 | AbsolutRayne | -_- |
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| 19:43.40 | alestane | I don't understand your assumption that either of these things is bad. |
| 19:44.04 | KarlKFI | plenty of alt addicts here. i'm not one of them |
| 19:44.06 | Lunessa | AbsolutRayne: thpppth. You spend hours of your day making pretty layouts for WoW and you're worried about how geeky you might seem? |
| 19:44.58 | KarlKFI | time is for wasting, right? |
| 19:45.35 | Lunessa | KarlKFI: my point exactly. |
| 19:46.20 | KarlKFI | if you've got something better to do with your life, then by all means, feel as guilty as you want. |
| 19:46.55 | Adys | glyph of rejuv affects only rejuvenation heals or every heal cast by the caster? |
| 19:47.31 | KarlKFI | why doesn't forum search work... how hard can it be... |
| 19:47.37 | Lunessa | There is no "better" thing to do with your life; your life is yours to spend how you would like - what makes you happy/content is a noble pursuit. |
| 19:48.09 | KarlKFI | that's one way to look at it sure |
| 19:48.47 | KarlKFI | i prefer to think that feeling guilty about wasted time is a waste of time... unless it motivates you |
| 19:49.13 | AbsolutRayne | Lunessa: Ow, my soul :< |
| 19:49.18 | Lunessa | Which is another good way to look at things. |
| 19:49.38 | Lunessa | AbsolutRayne: Your soul? I believe I has it in this little pink gem. |
| 19:49.40 | ReAn[Laptop] | if i change the dimensions of a .TGA file do i have to re-load wow or just /console reloadui? |
| 19:50.01 | AbsolutRayne | Lunessa: No, thats my wife |
| 19:50.12 | Lunessa | AbsolutRayne: I blame Canada. :P |
| 19:50.30 | jnwhiteh | ReAn[Laptop]: you only need to re-load wow when changing .Toc metadata or adding files |
| 19:50.33 | Lunessa | ReAn[Laptop]: If the file was in the right directory when the game started, then a reload will do. |
| 19:50.46 | AbsolutRayne | Lunessa: At least theres snow on the ground |
| 19:50.48 | AbsolutRayne | :D |
| 19:51.04 | alestane | AbsolutRayne: Lunessa has your wife in a little pink gem, or your wife has your soul? |
| 19:51.34 | Lunessa | If I had Rayne's wife in a pink gem, I could get him to sop using that godawful pixel font. :P |
| 19:51.42 | Lopeppeppy | Are you sure? |
| 19:52.31 | AbsolutRayne | Said it once and ill say it a million times. When I find a font that compliments it better, ill use it |
| 19:52.32 | AbsolutRayne | >< |
| 19:52.35 | Lunessa | No, but a 'lock can dream. |
| 19:53.00 | Lunessa | AbsolutRayne: You know at this point I'm just yanking your chain about the font, right? |
| 19:53.20 | AbsolutRayne | I do |
| 19:53.27 | AbsolutRayne | But it still applies regardless |
| 19:53.35 | AbsolutRayne | Ive been looking hard to replace it |
| 19:54.38 | AbsolutRayne | eeeee I <3 my Rogue so much |
| 19:54.42 | AbsolutRayne | Cant wait til shes 80 |
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| 19:56.16 | ReAn[Laptop] | jnwhiteh, im just about to scream, it seems my texture isn't being loaded, but i've tripple checked the filename, it's there, it's 32x8 (should be valid by wow's standards, or am i wrong?) |
| 19:56.23 | ReAn[Laptop] | it wont load |
| 19:56.42 | ReAn[Laptop] | any texture object that's set to this file shows nothing |
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| 19:57.04 | ReAn[Laptop] | 32x8 is valid right? im not going crazy.... |
| 19:57.13 | ReAn[Laptop] | er, 32x4 |
| 19:57.14 | ReAn[Laptop] | sorry |
| 19:57.47 | jnwhiteh | exit your client first |
| 19:57.52 | jnwhiteh | ensure that's not an issue |
| 19:58.25 | ReAn[Laptop] | i have |
| 19:58.28 | ReAn[Laptop] | still nothing |
| 19:58.47 | jnwhiteh | and the file was created correctly, is TGA with alpha channel |
| 19:58.57 | ReAn[Laptop] | yes |
| 19:59.13 | cog|fish | is your path string set correctly? |
| 19:59.31 | ReAn[Laptop] | yes |
| 19:59.36 | jnwhiteh | You know, it's screwed up to be stun locked by a paladin |
| 20:00.13 | ReAn[Laptop] | "Interface\\AddOns\\RogueRotator\\Artwork\\BORDER_SimpleRaised" <--- file is in \Artwork\ under my mod 'RogueRotator' and the filename is 'BORDER_SimpleRaised.tga' |
| 20:00.17 | KarlKFI | by stun locked you mean our 1 stun and 1 incapacitate? |
| 20:00.50 | ReAn[Laptop] | jnwhiteh, Seal of Justice |
| 20:00.51 | ReAn[Laptop] | chance on hit to stun for 2sec |
| 20:00.58 | ReAn[Laptop] | i do it all the time and annoy rogues |
| 20:01.01 | cog|fish | ReAn[Laptop]: if you use a different texture in place of it it works? |
| 20:01.07 | ReAn[Laptop] | when the paladin stunlocks the rogue |
| 20:01.08 | cog|fish | if so, then you have a problem with the format |
| 20:01.15 | alestane | ReAn[Laptop]: Are you specifying that in a Lua file or in the XML? |
| 20:01.51 | cog|fish | i.e. take a known-to-work TGA and give it that name in that location |
| 20:01.54 | KarlKFI | how could that possibly be useful with a 2h compared to seal of command? |
| 20:02.02 | cog|fish | if it loads correctly, you have a problem with the file |
| 20:02.34 | ReAn[Laptop] | yea |
| 20:02.50 | KarlKFI | i guess it could be against the right targets... |
| 20:02.50 | ReAn[Laptop] | when i replace the image w/ another TGA it works fine |
| 20:03.06 | Adys | you probably didnt save properly then |
| 20:03.07 | KarlKFI | but only if you have some other damage dealer too |
| 20:03.13 | cog|fish | then it's not in the right format |
| 20:03.14 | ReAn[Laptop] | 32bit TGA with Alpha Channel, not RLE Compressed, 32x4 |
| 20:03.25 | cog|fish | try a different editor |
| 20:03.29 | cog|fish | and re-save it |
| 20:03.30 | Adys | ReAn[Laptop]: if you arent sure, take the other tga, paste your image on it, save |
| 20:03.40 | Adys | and it should be in the correct format |
| 20:04.15 | ReAn[Laptop] | im just gonna try this .blp converter |
| 20:04.17 | ReAn[Laptop] | fuck tga |
| 20:04.19 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 20:04.23 | jnwhiteh | that's just stupid |
| 20:04.24 | jnwhiteh | no offense |
| 20:04.30 | ReAn[Laptop] | making it a .blp? |
| 20:04.31 | Adys | uh yeah |
| 20:04.32 | jnwhiteh | TGA is what Wow is meant to load |
| 20:04.32 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 20:04.35 | jnwhiteh | do not make it a .blp |
| 20:04.36 | jnwhiteh | that is silly |
| 20:04.39 | End | unless it's a cursor |
| 20:04.44 | jnwhiteh | do what people are telling you |
| 20:04.45 | jnwhiteh | End: indeed. |
| 20:05.05 | Adys | besides |
| 20:05.08 | Adys | most blp converters suck |
| 20:05.29 | Adys | you may just end up wondering why it wont load, when the blp just isnt valid |
| 20:05.39 | End | cursors suck though, because then it's picky on the particular format of the blp :P |
| 20:05.51 | ZorbaTHut | I wish they'd add support for png and jpeg |
| 20:05.58 | jnwhiteh | why |
| 20:05.58 | jnwhiteh | . |
| 20:05.59 | Adys | fuck jpeg |
| 20:06.01 | jnwhiteh | TGA works just fine |
| 20:06.03 | jnwhiteh | and is cheap to load |
| 20:06.10 | ZorbaTHut | jn, it's huge and uncompressed |
| 20:06.11 | ReAn[Laptop] | Paint.NET fails |
| 20:06.14 | ReAn[Laptop] | i guess.... |
| 20:06.19 | Adys | dont use it then |
| 20:06.23 | Adys | grab the gimp |
| 20:06.27 | alestane | PNG, maybe, but there's no good use for JPEG, and they'd probably have to license the format or something. |
| 20:06.36 | ZorbaTHut | adys, yeah, I'll use png instead! oh wait they *don't support it* |
| 20:06.51 | Adys | did I say no to png? |
| 20:07.07 | jnwhiteh | or you could use .TGA? |
| 20:07.09 | jnwhiteh | cause it works |
| 20:07.11 | jnwhiteh | PNG is huge too |
| 20:07.18 | End | Adys was referencing Paint.NET :P |
| 20:07.23 | End | ReAn[Laptop]'s comment |
| 20:07.24 | ZorbaTHut | jn, and that's why I'm suggesting jpeg as well |
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| 20:07.30 | ZorbaTHut | but png is, at least, a lot smaller than tga |
| 20:07.31 | alestane | Funny thing, they're both lossless compressions. |
| 20:07.35 | jnwhiteh | we know why they can't do jpeg |
| 20:07.39 | ZorbaTHut | end, ah, missed that |
| 20:07.53 | KarlKFI | you can compress a tga cant u? |
| 20:07.55 | ZorbaTHut | sorry :) |
| 20:07.58 | End | some |
| 20:08.05 | jnwhiteh | RLE compression works fine in tga |
| 20:08.07 | ZorbaTHut | karl, run-length encoding only, as I remember, and I doubt WoW supports it |
| 20:08.14 | End | it does |
| 20:08.20 | jnwhiteh | it does |
| 20:08.24 | jnwhiteh | so quit bitchin :P |
| 20:08.26 | End | at least, it loads my RLE-compressed tgas :P |
| 20:08.29 | ZorbaTHut | ah, better than nothing at least |
| 20:08.34 | foxlit | "jnwhiteh: PNG is huge too" << PNG generally compresses better |
| 20:08.36 | ZorbaTHut | but that's still nowhere near as good as png can manage :P |
| 20:08.50 | jnwhiteh | I didn't say it wasn't better |
| 20:08.53 | jnwhiteh | I said its huge too |
| 20:08.54 | ZorbaTHut | also, there's no license to jpeg |
| 20:09.18 | jnwhiteh | a.) there are no problems with TGA |
| 20:09.19 | foxlit | "huge" is relative. |
| 20:09.20 | jnwhiteh | why do we need another format |
| 20:09.22 | jnwhiteh | its already implemented |
| 20:09.23 | jnwhiteh | it works |
| 20:09.39 | foxlit | (or should be) |
| 20:09.40 | alestane | It might be more convenient, but it's in no way critical. |
| 20:09.41 | End | other formats would be nice, but tga is quick and easy to load from the WoW client's point of view |
| 20:09.45 | ZorbaTHut | jn, it's big. considering how obsessed people seem to be about table count and CPU usage, I'm surprised they don't want something a bit more crunched down |
| 20:09.48 | kd3 | oh yay, they're finally implementing itemrack |
| 20:10.02 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, I've written both tga and png readers, png is easier because libpng is absolutely trivial to plug in :P |
| 20:10.07 | ZorbaTHut | tga is surprisingly finicky and annoying |
| 20:10.10 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: ... |
| 20:10.26 | Adys | does it matter at this point? |
| 20:10.29 | jnwhiteh | You seem to miss the point entirely |
| 20:10.31 | jnwhiteh | but that's fine |
| 20:10.38 | ZorbaTHut | adys, *shrug* it'd be nice if there was png support. that's all. |
| 20:10.45 | Adys | i agree it would be nice |
| 20:10.49 | Adys | but it doesnt really matter |
| 20:10.57 | Adys | i'd have said otherwise 3-4 years ago |
| 20:11.08 | alestane | I think clad's point is, "waht incentive is there for Blizzard to support other formats?" or something along those lines. |
| 20:11.17 | jnwhiteh | among other things |
| 20:11.25 | jnwhiteh | including there is overhead associated with loading PNG versus TGA |
| 20:11.33 | ZorbaTHut | alestane, assuming they use .blp internally, probably not a lot |
| 20:11.37 | jnwhiteh | the fact that we don't "pay" for texture file sizes |
| 20:11.56 | ZorbaTHut | jn, actually, I've frequently found png to be faster to load, simply because of less disk access. disk is slow, cpu is cheap. |
| 20:12.02 | foxlit | Next up: gief svg support. |
| 20:12.17 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, man, I could totally use that |
| 20:12.27 | jnwhiteh | alright, this conversation was a blast O.o |
| 20:13.06 | jnwhiteh | My point is there isn't a problem |
| 20:13.11 | jnwhiteh | why solve a problem that doesn't exist |
| 20:13.14 | jnwhiteh | I know.. don't! |
| 20:13.57 | ZorbaTHut | it's a minor problem for any plugin that involves a lot of images. |
| 20:14.06 | jnwhiteh | I fail to see how that is the case |
| 20:14.13 | ZorbaTHut | images take space |
| 20:14.16 | ZorbaTHut | less space means a smaller plugin |
| 20:14.18 | jnwhiteh | and my addon is 15 megs of download |
| 20:14.19 | cog|fish | space is cheap |
| 20:14.26 | ZorbaTHut | smaller plugin means it loads faster :P |
| 20:14.26 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: that's not charge to us in game |
| 20:14.29 | jnwhiteh | wow. |
| 20:14.34 | jnwhiteh | you have this so wrong its not even funny |
| 20:14.35 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: huh,wha? |
| 20:14.37 | cog|fish | ZorbaTHut: not if it's compressed |
| 20:14.42 | kd3 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/dualspec.html |
| 20:14.57 | ZorbaTHut | cog, as I said before, disk is slow and cpu is cheap. very often I've been able to make something *faster* by adding a small amount of compression to it |
| 20:14.58 | foxlit | kd3: blank page |
| 20:15.04 | foxlit | (safari 3.1, mac) |
| 20:15.05 | ZorbaTHut | especially if it's decompressing things |
| 20:15.13 | kd3 | then check [[Patch 3.1.0]] in a sec |
| 20:15.18 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: CPU is not "cheap" when running wow. |
| 20:15.24 | foxlit | Meh, I've seen the interview. |
| 20:15.28 | foxlit | Did they add anything better? |
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| 20:15.35 | ZorbaTHut | does wow load images asynchronously? |
| 20:15.37 | Adys | a pic of gc yeah |
| 20:15.42 | selckin | not in dalaran. |
| 20:15.49 | ZorbaTHut | because if not, then it'll just be blocking on the disk access anyway, and you're right, it's not cheap, it's free :P |
| 20:15.56 | ReAn[Laptop] | it seems changes to images dont even require /console reloadui |
| 20:15.59 | Adys | kd3: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/images/gregstreet.jpg usable on ww? |
| 20:16.04 | foxlit | Unless it has a "To the ground, baby" speech bubble, I'm not very interested :) |
| 20:16.06 | ReAn[Laptop] | kgPanels is able to reload images on the fly |
| 20:16.15 | Adys | (the guy must be pissed they used that pic) |
| 20:16.19 | kd3 | considering how much other stuff we've lifted from their site, I'm going to say "sure" |
| 20:16.45 | Adys | go ahead then |
| 20:16.47 | Adys | cba to launch ww |
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| 20:17.07 | End | wtf, is that supposed to be a troll warlock? |
| 20:17.29 | Adys | UD |
| 20:17.32 | cog|fish | a reasonableish request might be to expand wow's TGA compatibility, considering people do have real-world issues getting the files to work |
| 20:17.39 | zenzelezz | all warlocks are trolls |
| 20:17.43 | Adys | er wait |
| 20:17.43 | Adys | no |
| 20:17.45 | Adys | troll yeah |
| 20:18.09 | Adys | Nethaera: When can players expect to try out dual specs? |
| 20:18.10 | Adys | Ghostcrawler: Players will be able to try out the dual spec system on the Public Test Realms when they are made available. |
| 20:18.12 | Adys | oh man |
| 20:18.14 | Adys | this made my day |
| 20:18.22 | ReAn[Laptop] | ok |
| 20:18.25 | ReAn[Laptop] | well something's fucked |
| 20:18.40 | ReAn[Laptop] | Paint.NET nor GIMP can seem to save a targa in a wow-accepted format |
| 20:18.41 | Adys | "When will we be able to try it out?" "When it's accessible to you" |
| 20:18.45 | ZorbaTHut | cog, that's really another reasonable argument for png, IMHO, since libpng is so standardized and so easy to get functional |
| 20:18.47 | foxlit | You have a very weird day-making criterion, Adys. |
| 20:19.02 | Adys | your mom has a very w.. fuck it |
| 20:19.02 | kd3 | this sounds surprising to you, foxlit |
| 20:19.09 | ZorbaTHut | is there info on how dualspec will work yet? |
| 20:19.12 | foxlit | Nah, he's a nut :) |
| 20:19.24 | kd3 | zorba; either of my links I posted earlier |
| 20:19.27 | durcyn | ZorbaTHut: it's in that interview. inscription lexicon thing, costs money to unlock, etc |
| 20:19.36 | ReAn[Laptop] | Can someone look @ my TGA and tell me why it wont work |
| 20:19.37 | ZorbaTHut | oh cool, didn't see that. thanks :) |
| 20:19.38 | Thunder_Child | fail Adys, cant even finish an insult |
| 20:19.50 | Adys | Im looking for an UD warr |
| 20:20.02 | Adys | and i dont have a mount on this char |
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| 20:20.57 | cog|fish | ReAn[Laptop]: linkey |
| 20:20.58 | ReAn[Laptop] | http://images.reanmachine.com/BORDER_SimpleRaised.tga <--- can someone look @ that .tga and tell me if they see anything wrong with the format? |
| 20:22.01 | ZorbaTHut | interesting. I'm not a huge fan of the lexicon-summoning device, but the rest seems quite good |
| 20:22.45 | ReAn[Laptop] | see anything fishy cog? |
| 20:22.49 | cog|fish | not yet |
| 20:22.54 | cog|fish | nice pun |
| 20:22.57 | cog|fish | :P |
| 20:22.59 | ReAn[Laptop] | :) |
| 20:23.14 | ReAn[Laptop] | lemmie hard-code a frame to display this, 1 sec |
| 20:23.15 | Thunder_Child | not good pun |
| 20:24.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: considering the other possibilities, that one seems fairly reasonable |
| 20:24.37 | ZorbaTHut | night, I'm mostly worried, as a tank, that it'll change into "looking for tank with good off-dps set" |
| 20:24.47 | Adys | night zorba |
| 20:24.58 | ZorbaTHut | and instead of being able to take a break and DPS when I feel like slacking, I'll be forced to collect two sets and have two fixed specs just to do my job |
| 20:24.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: and? |
| 20:25.00 | ZorbaTHut | cya adys |
| 20:25.09 | Adys | was saying night to you :( |
| 20:25.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, that's about it, ZorbaTHut. Welcome to being a paladin or a druid or, or, or. |
| 20:25.20 | Zootfizzle | So was he! |
| 20:25.36 | foxlit | the two bytes at offset 16: 0x20 and 0x08 |
| 20:25.51 | Adys | Zootfizzle: how would you know that |
| 20:26.07 | ZorbaTHut | lope, sure, I already collect the set, but people basically don't expect me to use it in instances because it won't be a significant source of anything |
| 20:26.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: I don't think it'll necessarily force people into playing how they don't want to, unless they allow themselves to be bullied by the whims of pugs |
| 20:26.17 | ReAn[Laptop] | yea cog|fish: i made a simple Texture in the center of the screen, it couldn't load this TGA |
| 20:26.22 | ReAn[Laptop] | im about to jump out the window |
| 20:26.30 | ZorbaTHut | night, yeah, I think it's solvable by just refusing, I just kinda wish they'd avoided it in the first place |
| 20:26.35 | foxlit | You restarted the WoW client and so on? |
| 20:26.41 | ReAn[Laptop] | many times |
| 20:26.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: its not really blizzards job to solve social problems |
| 20:26.49 | ZorbaTHut | I don't see any hugely good reason to change specs in the middle of an instance in general |
| 20:26.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: I can >< |
| 20:27.01 | Lunessa | ReAn[Laptop]: The image looks fine in Photoshop. |
| 20:27.02 | ReAn[Laptop] | foxlit, if i replace my file with another 'working' tga the image shows up w/o even /console reloadui |
| 20:27.02 | Thunder_Child | they might implement the secondary set space saver feature |
| 20:27.03 | ZorbaTHut | night, yeah it is. they run the game, social problems are their problem |
| 20:27.07 | Thunder_Child | as well |
| 20:27.12 | ReAn[Laptop] | think it's the dimensions? |
| 20:27.13 | ZorbaTHut | that's why they have spam filters, that's why alliance can't talk to horde |
| 20:27.15 | ReAn[Laptop] | 32x4 |
| 20:27.18 | ReAn[Laptop] | is that too small? |
| 20:27.18 | foxlit | Yeah, it's only the time that you create a new image that you have to bother with it |
| 20:27.32 | Adys | wow wow wow hold on |
| 20:27.33 | NightHawkTheSane | we've had DPS issues on thaddius in naxx-25, having a few healers swap to dps would definitely help |
| 20:27.46 | Adys | horde/alliance communication barrier isnt a social problem/solution |
| 20:27.47 | Lopeppeppy | With the advent of dual specs, every single class will now be asked for the gearing level and flexibility that have been DEMANDED of all hybrid classes all along. |
| 20:28.15 | Adys | screw that, I'm speccing pvp+solo |
| 20:28.33 | Adys | if people dont like my dps they shouldnt bring me in their raids |
| 20:28.37 | Adys | thats why I make my own raids |
| 20:28.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: there's a bit of a difference between spam filtering and preventing people from being idiots. |
| 20:29.23 | cog|fish | ReAn[Laptop]: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/BORDER_SimpleRaised2.tga < does this one work? |
| 20:29.31 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, they're both social problems |
| 20:29.50 | Adys | CHRIST why is there TWO female dwarf rogues right in front of me |
| 20:29.55 | Adys | but no blood elf mage ANYWHERE in the city |
| 20:29.59 | End | Lopeppeppy: what |
| 20:30.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Different scale, though. It's -really- not blizzards problem if people are morons and ask unreasonable things in pugs. |
| 20:30.34 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, it's blizzard's game. anything in their game is their problem. if there are things causing the game to be unfun for people, that's blizzard's problem, and they're the ones that get to think about fixing it |
| 20:30.39 | End | my alternate specs only differ slightly in what's been in slot in a few places |
| 20:30.47 | ZorbaTHut | (I am assuming blizzard likes money :) ) |
| 20:30.56 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: thats bollocks, sorry |
| 20:31.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 20:31.15 | NightHawkTheSane | blizzard isn't out to make the game perfectly fun for every single person, unfortunately |
| 20:31.24 | alestane | Blizzard does often try to make it easier for people to not be idiots, but they can't actually PREVENT people from being idiots. |
| 20:31.28 | Thunder_Child | nor can they |
| 20:31.30 | Adys | anything in the game is neither their problem nor responsibility |
| 20:31.36 | ReAn[Laptop] | sec cog|fish |
| 20:31.39 | NightHawkTheSane | they're trying to please as many people as they can, and make the game relatively balanced and fair. but that necessarily means some people wont have fun some of the time |
| 20:32.04 | NightHawkTheSane | and, what alestane is perfectly true, they simply cannot prevent moronic pugs from being moronic pugs. |
| 20:32.09 | Lunessa | Speaking as a former healer, and playing a hybrid class now, I rather expect I'll hear the "ahem, please heal for this fight/instance, we don't need DPS" a lot more often than I do now. |
| 20:32.15 | ReAn[Laptop] | cog|fish, no, that file did not work :( |
| 20:32.17 | cog|fish | ReAn[Laptop]: if that doesn't, try this: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/BORDER_SimpleRaised3.tga |
| 20:32.20 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, sure, they can't fix everything. but it's certainly their responsibility to keep everything in mind |
| 20:32.31 | Adys | no.. no its not |
| 20:32.38 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, they *can't* fix everything, it's impossible :P |
| 20:32.40 | Adys | they can consider it |
| 20:32.56 | ReAn[Laptop] | trying 3 |
| 20:33.08 | Adys | but even if they could waste time on matters like that, they wouldnt fix it "because pugs ask moronic things" |
| 20:33.08 | NightHawkTheSane | im sure they do keep everything in mind. But I can't believe they're saying to themselves "oh my god, some pugs might expect unreasonable and silly things of people with this new dual spec, we've GOT TO FIX THIS NOW!" |
| 20:33.13 | Adys | they'd fix it because of the side effects |
| 20:33.49 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, did I ever said they were? all I'm saying is that I think it's their responsibility to consider it if it became a problem. |
| 20:33.52 | Lopeppeppy | They won't "fix" it. It's something they put into place because players asked for it. Be careful what you wish for, and all that. |
| 20:33.52 | alestane | It's a classic "greatest good for the greatest number" problem. To maximize that curve you have to accept that there are a few people you're going to make unhappy. |
| 20:34.04 | ZorbaTHut | and that, if it does become a problem, it would neatly fail to solve exactly the thing they claim to have implemented it for in the first place |
| 20:34.08 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: getting there, but still not true |
| 20:34.12 | ZorbaTHut | alestane, well duh :) |
| 20:34.13 | Adys | its not their responsibility |
| 20:34.18 | Lunessa | Oh, I'm not expecting it to be blizzard's fault for making the system - I expect that people will be their same, unreasonable, selfish twits and expect ME to sacrifice for THEM. |
| 20:34.20 | ReAn[Laptop] | cog|fish, it was the image size |
| 20:34.22 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not saying that blizzard should or *can* solve all issues. :P |
| 20:34.22 | foxlit | what about mediocrity for everyone? :) |
| 20:34.25 | ReAn[Laptop] | i made it 32x32 and it worked |
| 20:34.27 | Codayus | I don't think it's something that can be fixed, nor is it something that Bliz should consider fixing even if it was. |
| 20:34.30 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: the word you're looking for is "benefit" |
| 20:34.40 | Adys | its their BENEFIT to take in account the maximum of situations |
| 20:34.41 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: except one thing, it's NOT a problem now, it probably WONT be, you're just assuming it because you're having a little hissy-fit-panic-attack. :) |
| 20:34.47 | cog|fish | ReAn[Laptop]: what about 32x8? |
| 20:34.53 | Adys | and to please the maximum amount of people on the longest term possible |
| 20:34.53 | ZorbaTHut | codayus, the issue I'm thinking about could have easily been dodged by just not implementing the lexicon-of-power-in-an-instance ability |
| 20:34.57 | ZorbaTHut | I think that ability is a mistake |
| 20:35.11 | Adys | lexi wut? |
| 20:35.14 | foxlit | So, preferred profile change mechanic: dropdown list? |
| 20:35.15 | Adys | in instance? |
| 20:35.16 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, man, seriously, if you're gonna start the personal attacks, take it elsewhere :P |
| 20:35.27 | ZorbaTHut | adys, yeah, that's what this entire conversation started from |
| 20:35.31 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/EdgeFiles |
| 20:35.35 | foxlit | (The actual file dimensions shouldn't matter as long as the width is a multiple of 8) |
| 20:35.36 | NightHawkTheSane | I'll grant, that if by some crazy fucking coincidence it becomes a -major- problem for most -real- people, they might do something about it, but i'll wager any amount of anything that it wont be. |
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| 20:35.38 | Adys | i thought it started from dual specs? |
| 20:35.43 | foxlit | which yours is :/ |
| 20:35.45 | ZorbaTHut | you can only switch specs at a lexicon of power. which means that, as implemented right now, you can't switch in the middle of an instance |
| 20:35.56 | ZorbaTHut | but, they're also talking about adding an ability to spawn lexicons of power at arbitrary locations |
| 20:36.02 | ZorbaTHut | which means you *can* switch in the middle of an instance |
| 20:36.03 | cog|fish | maybe there *is* a lower limit on texture dimensions? |
| 20:36.05 | Adys | wow headache |
| 20:36.05 | ZorbaTHut | I think that's a mistake. |
| 20:36.12 | Thunder_Child | there is no implementation yet |
| 20:36.15 | ZorbaTHut | I think they just shouldn't do that. |
| 20:36.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: to be pedantic, i'm sure there is somewhere :P |
| 20:36.46 | kd3 | it hasn't been implemented publicly yet. panicking because of what they're thinking about just leads to more forum QQing |
| 20:36.50 | Thunder_Child | true, but it's also stated that both exist, not just one with the possibility of the other |
| 20:37.11 | cog|fish | or perhaps the height of an edgefile can't be < 1/8 the width |
| 20:37.11 | ZorbaTHut | kd3, I'm not panicking, yo, I'm just saying that I think they made a mistake :P |
| 20:37.23 | jnwhiteh | ReAn[Laptop]: are you loading this as an edgefile |
| 20:37.23 | ZorbaTHut | it's possible to criticize Blizzard's decisions without screaming about the sky falling. |
| 20:37.24 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, you cant know that w/o testing |
| 20:37.26 | jnwhiteh | or as a normal texture? |
| 20:37.38 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, yes, I can know that I think they made a mistake :P |
| 20:37.39 | alestane | ZorbaTHut: They're offering that as a concession for raid groups to readjust their effective composition without having to swap players out or wait for people to be summoned back from cities. |
| 20:37.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: I really think it's a non-issue, though. I honestly can't see how adding the ability to switch specs outside of a city will have any influence on how people choose to play their characters. |
| 20:37.52 | Codayus | Lots of people WANT the ability to change in an instance. A handful want nobody to have the ability. The solution here seems clear, and it's not for Bliz to "fix" it by scrapping the feature. |
| 20:37.52 | cog|fish | jnwhiteh: purpose is edgefile, but he said he made a plain texture for testing |
| 20:37.57 | Adys | good god |
| 20:37.58 | jnwhiteh | ah okay |
| 20:37.58 | NightHawkTheSane | If you wanted to switch specs, it's trivial to port/summon as is, so the summoned-lexicon is just a convenience at best |
| 20:38.06 | ZorbaTHut | alestane, yes, and that's the mistake I think they're making. I don't think that ability should exist as easily |
| 20:38.21 | Adys | im not gonna say "its not even on the test realms" |
| 20:38.23 | NightHawkTheSane | it already -does- exist |
| 20:38.24 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, yeah, that's true |
| 20:38.28 | Thunder_Child | but it's going to happen, so not wasting time is a good thing |
| 20:38.34 | alestane | Forcing inconvenience on people rarely benefits anyone. |
| 20:38.40 | Adys | Im just gonna say "you didn't get a SINGLE implementation detail, just vague design ideas" |
| 20:38.40 | kd3 | ^ |
| 20:38.43 | ZorbaTHut | codayus, that's silly. lots of people want free epic equipment. a handful want nobody to have free epic equipment. should blizzard give out free epic equipment? |
| 20:38.45 | NightHawkTheSane | if you don't think people/raids respec daily/mid-raid RIGHT NOW, you're fooling yoruself |
| 20:39.00 | alestane | Challenge, yes, but not inconvenience. |
| 20:39.10 | jnwhiteh | yay |
| 20:39.17 | Adys | for what its worth |
| 20:39.20 | jnwhiteh | i can fly from valgarde to dalaran now |
| 20:39.20 | Codayus | ZorbaTHut: They do, so apparently so. :-p For some values of "free", anyhow. But the issue is that your complaining about the impact it'll have on YOU, not the game. |
| 20:39.21 | alestane | You can improve a game by making something harder, but not by making it more tedious. |
| 20:39.26 | Adys | can anyone get me a source of blizzard saying its going to be in 3.1? |
| 20:39.26 | Codayus | This sounds like your problem, not Blizzards. |
| 20:39.40 | Adys | to me it seems like its hardly going to make 3.1, even tho they're doing their best to get it in |
| 20:39.44 | ZorbaTHut | codayus, I think it'll create a social dynamic in the game which benefits nobody. I think I'll be affected by it, but I think it's a dubious idea in general. |
| 20:39.55 | kd3 | the interview, word for word: http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.1.0#Dual_Specs |
| 20:39.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: which is what we were getting at before, social interaction issue, not a game issue ;) |
| 20:40.01 | End | Blizzard kinda said "it'll be on PTR" |
| 20:40.03 | Codayus | Exactly. |
| 20:40.12 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* I feel the social interaction is an integral part of the game |
| 20:40.12 | Adys | End: 3.2 will have a ptr too |
| 20:40.19 | ZorbaTHut | that's why Blizzard spends so much time working on it |
| 20:40.20 | kd3 | they didn't say _which_ PTR |
| 20:40.22 | End | what's your point |
| 20:40.25 | End | :P |
| 20:40.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: agreed, but it's a part that's FULLY created and maintained by the players, and not blizard |
| 20:40.48 | End | with the interview occuring when it did, it's probably safe they mean -this- PTR |
| 20:40.58 | Adys | haha |
| 20:40.59 | End | but they were (probably purposely) non-specific |
| 20:41.01 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, but it's a part that derives from decisions Blizzard makes |
| 20:41.11 | Adys | very purposely |
| 20:41.13 | Adys | if you ask me |
| 20:41.14 | ZorbaTHut | every decision Blizzard makes tweaks the social dynamics (usually in unimportant ways, of course) |
| 20:41.16 | Codayus | Today: You're forced to try and do good DPS even while tank/heal specced on fights that don't need as many tanks/healers. |
| 20:41.19 | NightHawkTheSane | only somewhat tangentially |
| 20:41.38 | Lunessa | I'm concerned only that classes with healing (and to some extent tanking) abilities will be on the receiving end of increased social pressure to do so, 'because it's a simple switch now!" - "Hi, joey can come to tonight's raid, and I know you don't like healing, but Unkle, you're our only hope. And it's not like it's a big deal." |
| 20:41.41 | Codayus | The change hardly makes things *worse*. |
| 20:41.54 | ZorbaTHut | night, yeah. Most decisions aren't huge in this regard. |
| 20:41.59 | Adys | Lunessa: protip, never play what you dont like |
| 20:42.00 | ZorbaTHut | codayus, oh, I agree, I'm looking forward to it |
| 20:42.09 | kd3 | oh, hey everyone |
| 20:42.11 | kd3 | guess what |
| 20:42.17 | Lunessa | Adys: I don't. I just don't like dealing with the requests. |
| 20:42.19 | kd3 | The Ice Stone hasn't melted lately. |
| 20:42.20 | Adys | Lunessa: if you never play a healer, people will never know whether you're good at healing |
| 20:42.25 | ZorbaTHut | kd3, but my ice stone |
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| 20:42.30 | ZorbaTHut | how am I going to know if it's melted or not :( |
| 20:42.31 | Adys | kd3: it has actually |
| 20:42.34 | Adys | just a few mins ago |
| 20:42.36 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: yeah, i.. uh.. put it back in the freezer. My bad guys |
| 20:42.38 | Lunessa | Adys: I play a shaman. Do the math. |
| 20:42.44 | Codayus | The biggest concern I have is that tanks and healers will be pressured to not get all the benefits of dual-spec. Rogues can have a raid build and a farming or pvp build. Priests will be hard pressed to avoid having a heal build and a shadow build, I suspect. |
| 20:42.49 | Adys | Lunessa: so you're bad at every spec? |
| 20:42.50 | Adys | :P |
| 20:42.54 | Codayus | ...that's not much of a concern. :-p |
| 20:43.03 | Lunessa | And you're Greek. So we're even. |
| 20:43.07 | Adys | Im not |
| 20:43.18 | Lunessa | Damn. |
| 20:43.19 | Adys | I happen to live in greece and have greek family |
| 20:43.23 | Lopeppeppy | I've always had to maintain an offset as a healer, and be willing to swap around as necessary. I grant they always wanted me to heal, but I still had to have one. There has ALWAYS been social pressure. |
| 20:43.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: if you're playing with people who would put pressure on you to do something you don't want to do.. you're playing with the wrong people |
| 20:43.41 | Lopeppeppy | Find me a right people. |
| 20:43.52 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: There's a reason my last guild shed ass hats likes crazy. :P |
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| 20:43.59 | ZorbaTHut | dammit, what is the reasoning besides not allowing you to buy your own auction off non-neutral AHs >:( |
| 20:44.16 | End | me thinks ZorbaTHut is on a pve server |
| 20:44.20 | Codayus | NightHawk: Eh...on any given fight it'll be a LITTLE easier with a little more dps, or healing, or an extra tank, or whatever. If you like the people your raiding with, of course there's pressure to do what you can to help the raid. |
| 20:44.25 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: because it's part of the PVP ruleset. |
| 20:44.26 | ZorbaTHut | end, pvp, why? |
| 20:44.35 | foxlit | "non-neutral" |
| 20:44.37 | End | oh I misread |
| 20:44.41 | End | I thought you said neutral :P |
| 20:44.51 | End | why the hell would you want to buy your own stuff? |
| 20:44.51 | ZorbaTHut | no, I understand the reasoning for it on neutral AH's |
| 20:44.56 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: they dont want you to be able to bid and push the price of your own auctions up |
| 20:44.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: well, yeah, but you know what i -mean-. if someone -really- doesn't want to heal, asking them to do so is really just silly and kind of insulting |
| 20:44.58 | Codayus | That's "pressure", but it's hardly a bad thing. If you don't like the people you raid with, and are more than happy to tell them "no, I won't heal, even if it means we can down this boss", you've got bigger issues. |
| 20:45.16 | ZorbaTHut | end, I'm lazy. I *could* switch characters, run to the AH, cancel the auction, run to the mailbox, get it out of the mailbox, mail it to my other character, and switch back |
| 20:45.18 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: because you can just use mail |
| 20:45.21 | ZorbaTHut | or I could just buy it out of the damn AH and grab it :) |
| 20:45.21 | End | heh |
| 20:45.29 | foxlit | It's cheaper to mail it, too |
| 20:45.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: agreed, as well, but again, thats a social dynamic, not something related to the game. |
| 20:45.34 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, but I mean, I'm *lazy* |
| 20:45.37 | foxlit | You're losing golds, man! |
| 20:45.38 | ZorbaTHut | (I ended up buying someone else's) |
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| 20:49.18 | Lunessa | The social dynamic on some servers is pretty harsh for hybrids. Especially for small guilds. |
| 20:49.34 | Lopeppeppy | Oh yeah. |
| 20:50.04 | Lunessa | However, I think the benefits of of dual spec out-weigh my concern. |
| 20:51.12 | Lopeppeppy | At least it will be easier to do what I need to do. |
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| 20:51.40 | ZorbaTHut | oh, I definitely think it's a net plus. Not arguing that. |
| 20:52.00 | Lunessa | You can always add a DPS spec for soloing, etc. All good from my PoV. |
| 20:52.23 | ZorbaTHut | plus now I finally get to wield two giant fuckoff twohanders, which I've wanted ever since I heard about Titan's Grip. |
| 20:52.32 | NightHawkTheSane | it'll be nice on my shaman. soloing anything as resto is still kinda painful |
| 20:52.39 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, seriously. How cool is that? *Totally cool*. |
| 20:54.58 | Lopeppeppy | Soloing Holy sucks. |
| 20:57.17 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1188565&posted=1#post1188565 |
| 20:59.16 | foxlit | "Use any method that you are allowed to use" |
| 21:04.25 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: ... that's full of something. Not entirely sure what, but it is full of something. |
| 21:07.30 | End | NightHawkTheSane: did you try loading mounts on COMPANION_UPDATE? |
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| 21:10.32 | NightHawkTheSane | End: hmm, does that event fire at a reasonable time when logging in? |
| 21:10.58 | End | with stuff cached, it fires before PEW and PLAYER_LOGIN. without stuff cached it fires -after- PEW and PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 21:11.22 | Adys | PEW PEW |
| 21:11.25 | Adys | sorry |
| 21:12.32 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/prof.png << does that look silly? |
| 21:12.41 | NightHawkTheSane | End: hmm. i might toy with that and see |
| 21:13.01 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: er, no? |
| 21:13.04 | End | toying is a pain |
| 21:13.14 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, yes it is. >< |
| 21:13.31 | foxlit | Having two drop downs there is odd for my aesthetic tastes. |
| 21:13.47 | Adys | your mom has an odd aesthetic taste |
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| 21:14.19 | End | hm |
| 21:14.25 | End | it fires when you summon and desummon a pet too |
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| 21:14.45 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i was just looking up that event.. |
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| 21:14.56 | End | (or mount I suppose) |
| 21:15.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i could probably write it to just unregister it after the first time it's called |
| 21:15.22 | foxlit | (learned companions?) |
| 21:15.23 | Lunessa | foxlit: It looks ok to me. |
| 21:15.33 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: eh? |
| 21:15.46 | End | yeah |
| 21:15.48 | foxlit | If you end up learning a new mount, you would probably want to update your cache |
| 21:15.56 | End | well |
| 21:16.01 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: COMPANION_LEARNED fires then, as well |
| 21:16.01 | End | there's COMPANION_LEARNED |
| 21:16.09 | foxlit | fair enough |
| 21:17.19 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: the specific thing we're talking about is when you first log in after a patch, your mounts (and probably minipets) aren't cached, and the data isn't available to the API at PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 21:17.27 | End | yeah minipets too |
| 21:17.34 | End | that's why I suddenly care so much :P |
| 21:17.38 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 21:18.00 | End | I've been doing it at PEW |
| 21:18.03 | End | which fires slightly later |
| 21:18.12 | NightHawkTheSane | I think i used PEW and had the same problem |
| 21:18.16 | End | so I actually haven't seen any issues |
| 21:18.18 | End | but other people have |
| 21:18.21 | NightHawkTheSane | but i don't remember |
| 21:18.42 | foxlit | So I probably have the same problem with my code |
| 21:18.57 | foxlit | Ah well. |
| 21:19.06 | NightHawkTheSane | im sure it's a fairly common thing |
| 21:19.26 | End | well |
| 21:19.31 | NightHawkTheSane | it just doesn't cause problems in 95% of cases |
| 21:20.10 | End | what makes it worse to debug is that when you first login it says you have 0 pets, then it loads the spell list, but none of the pets have names, and then finally it loads their names |
| 21:20.34 | End | StableBoy usually just has nameless mounts when I see a new patch :P |
| 21:20.40 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 21:20.42 | End | (which forces a cache clear) |
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| 21:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, its not just nameless mounts, but some of the ids are screwed up as well |
| 21:21.26 | End | oh |
| 21:21.29 | End | I didn't know that |
| 21:21.32 | NightHawkTheSane | in terms of differentiating between flying/ground and filtered/unfiltered |
| 21:21.44 | NightHawkTheSane | like, it'll still try and use a mount, but it m ay use the entirely wrong one ;) |
| 21:21.57 | End | well, yeah, you scan tooltips and whatnot though, right? |
| 21:22.03 | NightHawkTheSane | pretty much |
| 21:23.20 | End | well, COMPANION_UPDATE seems to work for my addon |
| 21:28.26 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. pancakes, or tuna and soup? |
| 21:28.31 | Lopeppeppy | Pancakes. |
| 21:28.35 | End | ^ |
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| 21:28.49 | NightHawkTheSane | okay then. pancakes it is. i think i'll add some cranberries |
| 21:28.54 | End | Lopeppeppy believes very strongly in pancakes. |
| 21:28.58 | End | could not wait |
| 21:28.59 | kd3 | ew, tuna? |
| 21:29.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i like tuna.. |
| 21:29.26 | NightHawkTheSane | tuna, with a some mayo, mustard, horseraddish, grilled, with a nice tomato soup. mmmmm |
| 21:29.34 | NightHawkTheSane | s/dd/d/ |
| 21:29.37 | kd3 | ew, mayo? |
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| 21:29.53 | kd3 | >.> |
| 21:30.02 | NightHawkTheSane | well, you could drop the mayo, and make it up with mustard i guess :P |
| 21:34.25 | NightHawkTheSane | http://iinterest.blogspot.com/2009/02/harbin-city-of-ice-at-night.html |
| 21:36.31 | KarlKFI | isn't mayo like required if you're having tuna? |
| 21:36.47 | KarlKFI | or were you thinkign like tuna sushi |
| 21:36.59 | KarlKFI | or tuna steak |
| 21:37.06 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 21:37.14 | NightHawkTheSane | and i agree, it is |
| 21:37.18 | NightHawkTheSane | which is why i said it. :P |
| 21:37.23 | NightHawkTheSane | but who am i to say what other people like |
| 21:37.45 | KarlKFI | like that's the definition fo a tuna sandwhich... tuna and mayo... |
| 21:37.52 | aesir | Just feed the tunafish mayonnaise. Save the step. |
| 21:37.52 | KarlKFI | relish is optional |
| 21:38.12 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
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| 21:40.03 | Codayus | Tuna sandwich without relish is hardly a tuna sandwich at all. :-( And I do hear that some people like to profane the entire experience with celery. But mayo is required; if you don't like mayo you shouldn't be thinking about tuna sandwiches. |
| 21:40.55 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.1234567890day.com/ |
| 21:43.18 | Lunessa | Wait a minute. A tuna sandwich requires: tuna, mayo, relish, onions, salt, pepper, celery is optional, as is hard-boiled egg. It may be garnished with tomato and lettuce if you desire, but do not stint on any of the earlier ingredients. |
| 21:43.59 | Zootfizzle | Onions? =/ |
| 21:44.04 | Lunessa | Onions. |
| 21:44.19 | NightHawkTheSane | onions are good |
| 21:44.28 | NightHawkTheSane | you're totally forgetting mustard, though |
| 21:44.49 | Lunessa | My tuna salad sandwich is the bomb. And while you can have mustard with tuna, I prefer it without. |
| 21:44.57 | aesir | Mustard goes on sardines. If you're making a Sardine Sandwich, then yes, mustard. |
| 21:45.12 | NightHawkTheSane | mustard goes on any sandwich mayo goes on. |
| 21:45.17 | Lunessa | And that relish... better be DILL or someone's going to the hospital. |
| 21:45.33 | Lunessa | Sardines are vile. |
| 21:45.34 | NightHawkTheSane | horseradish is also very nice with tuna |
| 21:46.38 | Lunessa | Zootfizzle: If you don't like onions, I'll make a batch without for you... but it won't be the same. |
| 21:47.07 | Zootfizzle | No, I like onions on my tuna, I just think of them as optional =) |
| 21:47.50 | Lunessa | Sometimes, Ill make a large batch of tuna salad and have it for lunch all week. |
| 21:48.47 | KarlKFI | that's a lot of tuna |
| 21:48.56 | NightHawkTheSane | onions are never optional |
| 21:49.02 | Codayus | Onions? In tuna salad? That's almost as bad as using dill relish! |
| 21:49.03 | KarlKFI | i need more variety than that |
| 21:49.06 | NightHawkTheSane | unless i run out |
| 21:49.11 | NightHawkTheSane | which i have |
| 21:49.37 | KarlKFI | i had a Rusty Anchor with my onions today |
| 21:51.19 | Lunessa | art /at |
| 21:52.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet, the USB controller on my other box died |
| 21:52.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Considering that it has a USB mouse........... |
| 21:52.37 | Lunessa | Damn, now I want tuna. |
| 21:54.04 | Cide | jnwhiteh: ping? |
| 21:54.18 | jnwhiteh | pong |
| 21:54.28 | Cide | are you playing arenas right now? |
| 21:54.33 | jnwhiteh | nope =/ |
| 21:54.37 | Cide | boo |
| 21:54.41 | jnwhiteh | why, see me? |
| 21:54.45 | Cide | we just beat a team with a warrior called Jimwhitehead |
| 21:54.55 | Cide | on stormreaver |
| 21:55.08 | jnwhiteh | hahahaha |
| 21:55.18 | jnwhiteh | thats hilarious |
| 21:55.25 | Cide | that's not you or anyone you know? :P |
| 21:55.56 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 21:56.00 | jnwhiteh | relatively common name |
| 21:56.00 | Cide | haha, that's great |
| 21:56.08 | Cide | they almost wrecked us too :/ |
| 21:56.16 | Cide | but we persevered |
| 21:56.45 | jnwhiteh | hot |
| 22:01.47 | Adys | please please please |
| 22:02.02 | Cide | so tell me |
| 22:02.02 | Adys | 6 charges left, come on get me my only missing candy >< |
| 22:02.06 | Cide | what's up with the arena system? |
| 22:02.22 | Cide | we keep getting win = +3, loss = -25 |
| 22:02.44 | kd3 | your hidden rating is higher than your team rating? |
| 22:02.51 | Cide | that would be interesting |
| 22:03.26 | Cide | since we formed a team 2 weeks ago |
| 22:03.32 | Cide | and immediately went down to 1200 due to the above |
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| 22:03.49 | Cide | shouldn't the hidden rating be pretty low by now? |
| 22:04.47 | foxlit | no |
| 22:04.55 | foxlit | your hidden rating is lower than your team rating |
| 22:05.05 | foxlit | so you get matched against pathetic teams |
| 22:05.08 | kd3 | ya, that's what I meant. got the order reversed |
| 22:05.17 | foxlit | so if you win over pathetic teams, you get no points |
| 22:05.18 | Cide | how would it be that initially though? |
| 22:05.21 | Cide | I mean |
| 22:05.27 | foxlit | if you lose to pathetic teams, you lose a bag of points |
| 22:05.28 | Cide | these characters had never been in a team since the new patch |
| 22:05.34 | jnwhiteh | this take everything into consideration |
| 22:05.36 | foxlit | gremlins :) |
| 22:05.41 | jnwhiteh | from your prior matches, etc. |
| 22:05.49 | jnwhiteh | as far as i understood it |
| 22:07.54 | Cide | well it better get non-shitty soon |
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| 22:15.18 | kd3 | oh wow. |
| 22:15.18 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: Tonight there will be a live maintenance, i.e. rolling restarts of all realms between 05:00 and 07:00 CET. Each realm will receive a 15 minute notice prior to being restarted.Thank you for your patience and understanding. |
| 22:15.18 | Shiibot | > If you have submitted an in-game help petition please note that you will need to click on the âGM Chat Requestâ that will appear in the right-hand corner of the game in order to open the conversation with a Game Master. Please see the General forum for more details. |
| 22:15.18 | Shiibot | > 11/02 Free character migrationDue to faction differences, the following Free Character Migration will be available from February 11 to 17:Horde only: Magtheridon --> Haomarush, Tarren Mill, Trollbane, Zenedar, Silvermoon (PvE) |
| 22:15.31 | kd3 | recount apparently like really big SV files... "line 664826" |
| 22:16.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Recount was responsible for about 90% of my UI load time |
| 22:16.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Just the stupid SVs |
| 22:20.45 | jnwhiteh | what cpu measuring addon do we use these days |
| 22:20.46 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 22:21.15 | jnwhiteh | if you suggest somethign that has fu in the title and doesn't work without fubar i stab you |
| 22:21.34 | Olison | I start by saying OptionlessHouse |
| 22:21.40 | foxlit | less stabbing, more creating universal adapters! |
| 22:21.57 | jnwhiteh | Olison: OH got updated? |
| 22:21.59 | jnwhiteh | if so i'll just use that |
| 22:22.12 | Olison | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7324-OptionlessHouse.html |
| 22:22.24 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 22:22.35 | Olison | Must update! :D |
| 22:22.43 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 22:22.44 | kd3 | wtb an updated DrDamage |
| 22:23.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Evidently Blizzard Legal is *calling* around, digging up info on all known bots |
| 22:23.21 | kd3 | flush from their glider victory? |
| 22:23.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Not quite a victory |
| 22:23.31 | foxlit | quick, hide purl! |
| 22:23.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Tomorrow we'll know more |
| 22:23.36 | kd3 | "victory"... |
| 22:23.42 | ScytheBlade1 | That too |
| 22:23.51 | kd3 | ^ |
| 22:24.14 | ScytheBlade1 | (People get pissy at Blizzard for taking that route, but seriously, point the hate at the law that enables such crap) |
| 22:24.35 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 22:24.36 | jnwhiteh | how meta |
| 22:24.43 | jnwhiteh | i just got invited to a facebook group |
| 22:24.45 | jnwhiteh | for a BBS i used to run |
| 22:24.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:24.51 | jnwhiteh | its like full circle or some shit like that |
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| 22:28.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ slashdot tags. Article title: "How to keep rats from eating my cables?" Tag: "poweroverethernet" |
| 22:29.04 | kd3 | hahaha |
| 22:29.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I like it |
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| 22:29.44 | Olison | rofl |
| 22:31.02 | Lunessa | oh man... BBS - those were the heady days of nerd tech. |
| 22:34.25 | Fisker- | so jnwhiteh |
| 22:34.27 | Fisker- | lets ptr |
| 22:35.17 | haste | Let's PTR! |
| 22:35.26 | haste | Oh wait... I mean: Let's DDR! |
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| 22:37.28 | kd3 | ho... copies are up |
| 22:37.55 | kd3 | different naming pattern this time around |
| 22:37.56 | kd3 | odd |
| 22:38.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay for sony, selling a 10-pack of DVD-RWs in full size jewel cases! |
| 22:38.01 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: ? |
| 22:38.08 | kd3 | https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/charcopy/ |
| 22:38.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I meant the naming pattern |
| 22:38.43 | kd3 | Anasterian (PvE), Broxigar (PvP) |
| 22:39.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh I thought you meant the randomly generated name suffixes |
| 22:39.27 | kd3 | nah, I know how to make the copy process do that |
| 22:40.16 | Fisker- | hey haste |
| 22:40.16 | Fisker- | i hate you |
| 22:40.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, copied over |
| 22:40.16 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: February 11th, 2009 11:58pm PST |
| 22:40.16 | Shiibot | Free character moves from select high population PvE realms to a new realm, Nesingwary (Central time zone, Emberstorm battlegroup), are now available. These moves are scheduled to end Wednesday, February 18, at 12:00 PM PST provided our transfer goals are not reached prior to this time. To find out if your realm is eligible for these free moves and begin the transfer process, you can go to https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account and click on the "Free |
| 22:45.17 | Duman | heh |
| 22:46.19 | Duman | ps, watching the life feed is dangerous |
| 22:46.26 | Duman | s/life/live/ |
| 22:47.27 | cog|fish | I just hope I don't, in a moment of weakness, subscribe to an unlimited data plan for my phone >< |
| 22:47.45 | Duman | hahah |
| 22:48.14 | Duman | dammit, blizzard needs to (re)open Blizz-North |
| 22:48.30 | Lunessa | Thanks Shiibot - I just logged in and moved all my old toons off Aggramar. |
| 22:48.47 | Duman | heh lunessa |
| 22:49.31 | Duman | hmm |
| 22:49.32 | Duman | Senior Software Engineer, Platform Technologies |
| 22:51.59 | Lunessa | I moved a level 14, 8, 11, 30 & 37 - maybe now that I don't have to sit in an 800 person queue I might level them. |
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| 22:56.19 | Shirik | om nom nom |
| 22:56.39 | cog|fish | no wonder you're hardly visible... lern2fattyfood |
| 22:59.24 | cog|fish | or get an advertising contract... either way... |
| 23:00.02 | Shirik | this is really depressing |
| 23:00.16 | Thunder_Child | rock me amadeus |
| 23:00.19 | Shirik | Guild has started charging 10g every time you get hit by the blue thing in Sartharion |
| 23:00.22 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Great song |
| 23:00.29 | Shirik | So I look at the list of people that owe money |
| 23:00.31 | Thunder_Child | indeed sir, indeed |
| 23:00.39 | Shirik | 18 people |
| 23:00.59 | Shirik | totalling 320g (32x) |
| 23:01.05 | Shirik | That is bad. Very bad. |
| 23:01.14 | Shirik | Obviously I'm awesome and didn't get hit at all |
| 23:01.18 | Shirik | but seriously 18/25 people |
| 23:01.20 | Shirik | lua> 18/25 |
| 23:01.21 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.72 |
| 23:01.25 | Shirik | almost 3/4 of the raid |
| 23:01.32 | Thunder_Child | uh, wouldnt that be 180g? |
| 23:01.39 | Shirik | hit multiple times |
| 23:01.42 | Thunder_Child | ah |
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| 23:08.12 | kd3 | what the... how the hell did I hit something for 244k? |
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| 23:09.14 | Shirik | pro kd3 |
| 23:09.21 | Shirik | you're a mage, you're OP |
| 23:09.23 | Shirik | nerf nerf |
| 23:09.51 | kd3 | even then... what encounter did I get so buffed to hit something for that hard? must've been a creature ability, but which? |
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| 23:11.59 | Shirik | I would expect a MC perhaps kd3 |
| 23:12.01 | Codayus | Battle for Underity springs to mind. Not sure the buff there is large enough though. |
| 23:13.06 | Codayus | Maybe a bombing run style quest? Don't recall any that hit that hard though. |
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| 23:18.05 | Duman | kd3: ever fight Razuvious? |
| 23:18.26 | Duman | if you hit one of the understaudies after Raz dies, you do like 5000% dmg to them |
| 23:18.36 | kd3 | that may be it |
| 23:19.05 | Duman | which will generally cause paladins using seal of blood/corruption to self-implode from the lashback dmg ;) |
| 23:19.19 | Duman | which is always amusing |
| 23:19.38 | Duman | err not corruption, martyr |
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| 23:26.14 | cloudwolf | woo |
| 23:26.20 | cloudwolf | time to figure out why global isn't saving again1 |
| 23:27.21 | cloudwolf | wtf? |
| 23:27.27 | cloudwolf | so now its just muraculously saving? |
| 23:27.28 | cloudwolf | ... |
| 23:27.32 | cloudwolf | realy... |
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| 23:34.54 | Thunder_Child | magic |
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| 23:47.16 | Lunessa | KD3- Battle for the Undercity. |
| 23:49.56 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, i dont think it does that much |
| 23:50.23 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: I had some hits like that in my stats before i started doing Naxx. |
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| 23:51.15 | Thunder_Child | i guess i suck then because my max was 22k |
| 23:53.35 | Lunessa | Battle for the Undercity saw some CRAZY windfury procs. |
| 23:55.48 | bleeter | Battle For Undercity was lol horde side. I ran to the Blood Elves to get help and they were all 'huh wut?' |
| 23:56.07 | bleeter | mind you, those holding undercity aren't too bright... didn't occur to them to leap through the orb of translocation either |
| 23:56.15 | Tekkub | I found BftU kinda boring |
| 23:56.28 | Tekkub | no chance of dying == no fun |
| 23:56.46 | Thunder_Child | i died twice |
| 23:56.54 | Tekkub | fail! |
| 23:56.58 | bleeter | so I hear Kwee Q Peddlefeet is counting votes for Bolvar... lololol |
| 23:57.19 | Thunder_Child | i AoE'd at the boss and all the little mishapen things killed me |
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| 23:57.31 | Thunder_Child | but it was just me doing the quest |
| 23:57.39 | Tekkub | that'll lern you to try to help NPCs that can solo the event |
| 23:57.53 | Thunder_Child | well it would have been even more boring |
| 23:57.58 | cloudwolf | i wish we killed the horde leader in bfuc |
| 23:59.06 | bleeter | BfUC alliance was a bit more interesting than Horde |
| 23:59.17 | bleeter | what with being able to get the Org fishing and RFC achievements |
| 23:59.27 | bleeter | *easily |
| 23:59.52 | Aquavette | sigh, broken hand == can't program |
