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00:01.27laegShirik: because the curse client is insecure?
00:01.33Lunessahttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6441205381&sid=1 - wtf?  Why did this get bumped?
00:02.06LopeppeppyHow bumped?  I only see 5/13/2008
00:02.08bleeterI will say this for Blizz patches, they don't pester you every 3.23423541435 milliseconds to 'remind' you to reboot
00:02.12ScytheBlade1Lunessa: I'm not showing it as bumped
00:02.28ScytheBlade1bleeter: net stop wuauserv
00:02.36LunessaIt was in the top-15 posts, then like /that/ it was gone.
00:02.58LopeppeppyNetburp!
00:03.18bleeterScytheBlade1: oO Blizz hacks into wuauserv so it'll pester me to reboot, but only if I stop the service?
00:03.22bleeterleet!
00:03.26ScytheBlade1lol
00:04.57ScytheBlade1I assume your goal was to get windows update to stop bugging you
00:05.47rnicbloodhey guys.. i was able to log in.. but there were glitches everywhere
00:07.28ScytheBlade1There will be
00:07.36ScytheBlade1And there is little to nothing you can do about it
00:07.43ScytheBlade1(Well, aside from install windows)
00:08.34bleeterScytheBlade1: well my true goal is to stop IE from firing when I click stuff in Launcher. But if Blizz are hacking on wuauserv like that I may as well just give up now :(
00:08.54ScytheBlade1They aren't and I now have no idea wtf you're talking about
00:08.54ScytheBlade1=]
00:09.27ScytheBlade1IE fires because the launcher embeds IE
00:09.31ScytheBlade1There is no way around it
00:09.56bleeteryes there is
00:10.03bleeteruse something that doesn't embed IE doh :P
00:10.21NightHawkTheSanepersonally,i use your mom.
00:10.27ScytheBlade1Quick, go get the launcher source and rewrite it for them!
00:10.35ScytheBlade1There! A solution to your problem!
00:12.06bleeterit's only in IE because they don't want to advertise to Mac users n stuff
00:12.36rnicbloodi done for 2nite.. no want glitchy i figure it out l8rs.. ty 4 help
00:12.38NightHawkTheSanehttp://www.contrariwise.org/2009/02/10/infinite-alphabet/
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00:14.51LunessaOk, I'm out of here, flex time rules.
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01:40.18bleeterkd3: you read the f11 alpha notes yet? "The Btrfs next-generation file system is an experimentally supported option in this release. To enable it within the installer, pass icantbelieveitsnotbtr at the installation boot prompt."
01:41.21kd3ya. laughed kinda hard at that
01:41.50kd3good to see that the release team still has their sense of humor
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01:57.40NightHawkTheSanehttp://giveupandusetables.com/
02:00.31LopeppeppyI have a serious tired coming on.  Bedtime for Peppy, see ya.
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02:15.13mikmahttp://kuvaton.com/kuvei/hair4.jpg
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02:18.58mikmacairenn: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/outside.jpg
02:22.05Cairennlol
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02:26.13kd3bastards! drop the damn shadow resist recipe already
02:26.24Olison:((((
02:26.34OlisonThat's a sadcat!
02:30.01Cairennhey, Sargeras?
02:30.21kd3ahahaha! it works!
02:30.30kd3yay mighty shadow protection potion learned. 2 more to go
02:30.51ReAn\o/ Cairenn *wave*
02:30.56Cairennhi ReAn
02:34.01Shiriklaeg: Did you figure it out?
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02:49.58ScytheBlade1Cairenn: ping
02:50.04CairennScytheBlade1: pong
02:50.10ScytheBlade1Curious, what's your zip code?
02:50.14Cairennwhy?
02:50.16ScytheBlade1(Or, one near you)
02:50.22ScytheBlade1Entertainment purposes!
02:50.26Thunder_Childstalker
02:50.31kd3wait, canadians have zip codes?
02:50.35ScytheBlade1No, if I was stalking her I wouldn't ask :P
02:51.55ScytheBlade1http://thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=84101
02:53.07ScytheBlade1Was linked that on a guild website
02:53.09ScytheBlade1Oddly entertaining!
02:53.35ScytheBlade1kd3: fail, btw
02:53.41ScytheBlade1(If that was serious)
02:53.56kd3no, I was joking. was going to make an igloo joke but got distracted
02:54.04ScytheBlade1oh, k
02:54.06ScytheBlade1All is forgiven
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02:57.05ScytheBlade1mmm, freedom
03:00.45ScytheBlade1I have to say that a month ago I would have replied to said bug report thread on FFB
03:00.51ScytheBlade1It's nice not caring about FFB, I'll say that :)
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03:34.07ShirikAny good recommendations on a disassembler for Linux?
03:34.24ShirikBasically what I want to do is compile a function with gcc and figure out what gcc turned it into
03:38.02Irielwhy not have gcc output the assembly?
03:38.14Irielthat's like a million times easier
03:38.25Aqua^^
03:38.25Iriel(ok, maybe not a million)
03:38.29Iriel(but many)
03:38.30Aquaits a lot easier
03:38.36Shirikgcc can do that?
03:38.38Shirikok then
03:38.41Irielyes
03:38.44Irielgcc can do anything
03:38.44Shirikthat's even better
03:38.45Iriel8-)
03:38.51Shirikcan it make julianne fries?
03:39.01IrielBut as far as I know *ALL* competent compilers can output their assembly
03:39.06kd3probably. I'm sure there's a compiler flag somwhere
03:39.19Iriel-S
03:39.26Shiriknow that I think about it, most compilers I've worked with can produce a listing file, you're right
03:39.26Iriel<PROTECTED>
03:39.28ShirikI wasn't thinking
03:39.29Irielfrom gcc --help
03:39.47Irielyou can also do gcc -save-temps
03:39.55Irieland it does the whole shebang but doesn't delete the intermediate files
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04:00.36ShirikPop quiz
04:01.10ShirikI seem to remember (rand() % n) does not uniformly distribute numbers between 0 and n-1. There's a "better" way to come up with numbers. Does anyone happen to know what that is?
04:01.48IrielIt depends somewhat on what n is
04:02.19IrielOne way is this..
04:02.29Shirikrand()*n/(RAND_MAX + 1)
04:02.30Shirikis that it?
04:02.41Irieldivide the range of rand() by n, floor to the nearest int, and call that d
04:02.43Shirikand it's an integer, sorry
04:02.55Irielthen you divide rand() by d, and then if it's == n, roll again
04:03.40Iriel(I susppose it depends if you're compensating for flaws in the low bit output of rand, or the fact that n doesn't evenly go into RAND_MAX + 1
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04:04.08ShirikI was more thinking about the fact that it doesn't go in evenly, but this is off my limited knowledge
04:04.17Irielmine solves that
04:04.24Irielso for example if rand produced 0-99
04:04.28ShirikI have little experience with cryptographically-secure applications
04:04.29Irieland you wanted a number from 0-29
04:04.35Shirik(Though this is not intended to be cryptographically-secure)
04:04.40Irielthen you'd divide 100 / 30 (giving 3)
04:04.43cloudwolfwell the patch just killed something in my addon...
04:04.58Irielyou'd see what rand() / 3 was, which is a number from 0- 3
04:04.59cloudwolf.\AddOns\GuildChatAdmin\guildchatadmin.lua line 288:   Usage: <unnamed>:SetText("text")
04:05.05IrielI mean 0-33
04:05.16Irieland if it's >= 30 then you roll again
04:05.43Irielthat's perfectly fairly distributed (assuming rand() itself is distributed evenly, use a decent crypto quality RNG if you really care)
04:05.45cloudwolfeverything has been decalred...
04:06.16ShirikWell this is for testing purposes, and I'd prefer the numbers to be as statistically sound as possible
04:06.22ShirikI'm not sure I want to go as far as finding another RNG though
04:06.50Irielwhat is n, in your case?
04:06.56Irielis it like, 100, or 10000000000 ?
04:07.42Iriellrand48 may be better than rand
04:07.57Irielor random
04:08.20Shirikit's...
04:08.23Irielwhich claims to be even better
04:08.30ShirikI need numbers between 0 and 255, inclusive
04:10.19IrielOh, then you dont have "remainder" issues
04:10.26Irieljust use long r = random()
04:10.31Irielthen use each byte of the result
04:12.20Shirikah that's a good point I guess
04:13.16cloudwolflol well i messed up my code somwehre
04:14.00IrielShirik: and I think your recollection about rand() was right, I see that it's got really bad randomness in its lower 12 bits
04:20.03cloudwolfok this error is pissing me off
04:20.09ShirikValgrind is so awesome
04:20.13Shirik==10230== More than 10000000 total errors detected. I'm not reporting any more.
04:20.13Shirik==10230== Final error counts will be inaccurate. Go fix your program!
04:20.33cloudwolf.\AddOns\GuildChatAdmin\guildchatadmin.lua line 300:   Usage: <unnamed>:SetText("text")
04:20.44cloudwolfusercm:SetText(gcatable[dmoum])
04:20.56cloudwolfthats line 300 and every single variable in there is set to a value of some kind
04:20.58cloudwolfand is declared
04:21.35IrielAre you sure you're not accidently clobbering it?
04:21.45cloudwolfClobbering it?...
04:22.05Irieloh.. actually the problem is that gcatable[dmoum] is nil
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04:22.16Irielare you sure that it has an entry for the key you're trying ?
04:22.35cloudwolfi probebly caused a glitch thats messing this thing up now
04:22.40cloudwolfdue to a scrue up by me earlier
04:23.05cloudwolfif gcatable[dmoum] ==nil then
04:23.05cloudwolfif dmoum~= nil then
04:23.05cloudwolfgcatable[dmoum]=dmoum
04:23.05cloudwolfelse
04:23.05cloudwolfgcatable[dmoum]= response
04:23.05cloudwolfend
04:23.07cloudwolfend
04:23.11cloudwolfEww doesn't like enters...
04:23.13cloudwolf*tabs
04:23.23Thunder_Child~slap cloudwolf
04:23.24purlACTION slaps cloudwolf, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
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04:23.37cloudwolfyeah yeah thunder child...
04:24.04cloudwolfalso response is a valid variable that has been set
04:24.23cloudwolftime to try 1 other thing
04:25.26cloudwolfwell my test didn't help
04:25.59Irieljust put print("gcatable[dmoum] =", gcatable[dmoum]) before the line that's crashing
04:27.42cloudwolfwait...
04:27.57cloudwolfwas it that saved variables cannot save functions aka other variables properly?
04:28.09cloudwolfcus response is a variable = some string
04:28.19cloudwolf>.<
04:28.23Irielyes, you cannot save functions
04:28.30Irielbut you can save string values
04:28.41IrielYou CAN put them into a table
04:28.45Irielbut you can't write them to disk
04:29.38cloudwolfwhen i put the print in any way
04:29.38cloudwolfi get
04:29.49cloudwolf.\AddOns\GuildChatAdmin\guildchatadmin.lua line 300:   attempt to concatenate field '?' (a nil value)
04:30.10IrielYou did the print like I said?
04:30.15IrielYou didn't do .. ?
04:30.17cloudwolfso some how gcatable[dmoum] is getting deleated?
04:30.46cloudwolfheh i used  double periods >.<
04:31.08cloudwolfdid the comma instead
04:31.18cloudwolfsays gcatable[dmoum]=nil
04:31.35Irielso, either dmoum isn't what it was when you put a value in, or response is nil
04:31.35cloudwolfwhen in one of my functions i told it if its ==nil to set to something!
04:31.46Irielyou dont actually check response is nill in the if from earlier
04:31.51Irielso maybe put a print in there
04:32.15cloudwolfresponse is declared outside of any function
04:32.26cloudwolfas local response = "text hear"
04:32.44cloudwolfand is declared before the function that sets gcatable[dmoum]= response
04:32.56Irielthe problem you've got is ithis.. your code isn't working but every time I suggest something you tell me that can't possibly be the case, then you check, and it is the case
04:33.02Irielso put the print in and verify you're actually right
04:33.15Irielbecause one of two things will happen
04:33.19Irielresponse will be nil
04:33.22Irielor the print wont be called
04:33.48IrielNow, if the print IS called and response is NOT nil, then you know you're messing up either dmoum or the table between there and the SetText
04:33.55Irieland you can add more prints accordingly
04:34.06cloudwolfwhere should i put the print?
04:34.10cloudwolfinside the set?
04:34.12Iriel(so I guess one of THREE things, not one of two, but still, if you dont put the statement in there then you wont know what happens)
04:34.16IrielI'd put it right next to the set
04:34.22Irielideally i'd include both response and dmoum
04:34.26Irielthen you know both values
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04:34.55IrielSomething as simple as:
04:35.00Irielprint("About to set", response, dmoum)
04:35.05Irielwill do the trick most of the time
04:35.52cloudwolfwell 2 of my 3 prints weren't called O.o
04:36.32IrielWhat did I say ? 8-)
04:36.49cloudwolfno idea why they arn't being called...
04:37.23Irielwell, invesitgate upstream, add debug information as necessary to trace the flow
04:38.09cloudwolftime for lots of prints... XD
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04:42.45NightHawkTheSanehmm "A leading [vatican] official declared yesterday that Darwin’s theory of evolution was compatible with Christian faith" http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5705331.ece
04:43.44Thunder_Childno one belives someone that changes their story mid sentince
04:45.24cloudwolfthats troublesome
04:45.30cloudwolfthe function is getting called about 20 times
04:45.35cloudwolfbut nothing past the function call is running...
04:45.47cloudwolfand i don't think it should be being called 20 times...
04:48.22cloudwolfok
04:48.22cloudwolfso wtf
04:48.36cloudwolfmy global table isn't being called...
04:50.05Irielwhat do you mean "table isn't being called"?
04:50.08Irielis it an object?
04:50.54cloudwolfnothing i think i found my epic stupidity
04:51.08cloudwolfor not...
04:51.10cloudwolfhmm
04:51.25cloudwolfi figured out that i created the table
04:51.31cloudwolfand becasue i created the table the table itself is nil
04:51.39cloudwolfand because i said if its nil create it then DO all this stuff
04:51.49cloudwolfit wasn't doing all the stuff cus of initial glitches
04:52.01cloudwolfnow i have an else that simply just sets everything also
04:52.05cloudwolfbut i get the error
04:52.18cloudwolf..\AddOns\GuildChatAdmin\guildchatadmin.lua line 83:   table index is nil
04:53.56cloudwolfshushy shirik...
04:53.59cloudwolfim going crazy
04:54.01Shirikis true!
04:54.02ShirikI do!
04:54.10Thunder_Childwhat do you call them?
04:54.11cloudwolfcus when i tried to free up global variables i created a table
04:54.19cloudwolfand after doing that i killed the addon...
04:55.28Irieldid you make the classic mistake of putting your code in a table that's also declared to be saved?
04:56.05cloudwolfAnd now im back to my damn original error...
04:56.16cloudwolfno...
04:56.35cloudwolfthe functoin thats being called to set my variable is not a global
04:56.47cloudwolfnor is it being saved by anything
05:00.37cloudwolfwell now...
05:00.41cloudwolfthats interesting...
05:01.10cloudwolftime to try something else
05:02.20cloudwolfif i set something to nil it deletes it right?
05:02.47ShirikIriel: fyi, I found a good solution
05:02.52Shirikg++ -g -Wa,-adhls ./basic.cpp | less
05:03.35Shirikoutputs assembly to stdout along with the C++ lines associated with them
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05:07.01cloudwolfWLKSJDFOIJLKSJLFD what the hell did i do to my code that fucked me up this badly sorryf or the language...
05:07.25NightHawkTheSan1Too much dry coding, not enough incremental testing?
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05:09.35cloudwolftable index is nil!
05:09.35cloudwolfuhm every change i do invovles testing
05:09.52cloudwolfwhat killed me was trying to use a table instead of 6 differnet globals...
05:10.43Arrowmastertable index is nil means your trying to do 't[nil]'
05:10.55Arrowmasteror 't[somevar]' where somevar = nil
05:11.44Arrowmasterdo you maybe do 't[somefunc()]' and somefunc() could be returning nil?
05:13.14Shiriklua> t = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,k) if k==nil then print("nil!"); end end}); print(t[nil])
05:13.14lua_botShirik: nil!, nil
05:13.40ShirikWhat Arrowmaster means is that you're trying to do t[nil] = something
05:13.40Shirikaccessing t[nil] is legal
05:13.40Shiriksetting it is not
05:13.53Shiriklua> t = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,k) if k==nil then print("nil!"); end end}); t[nil] = 1;
05:13.53lua_botShirik: luabot:1: table index is nil
05:15.09Arrowmasteryeah that
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05:20.38cloudwolflets see...
05:20.43cloudwolfwell this is anoying me
05:20.59cloudwolfim getting table index is nil
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05:24.08cloudwolfany idea why doing gcatable[badwords]={} doesn't create a table right now gcatable[badwords]= nil and it refuses to change from being nil
05:24.45cloudwolfi even have a check if it = nil that it set other things
05:25.26Arrowmasterwhats badwords?
05:25.28Arrowmastermaybe you mean gcatable.badwords={}
05:25.37cloudwolf>.<
05:25.42Arrowmasterwhich is the same as gcatable["badwords"]={}
05:25.51cloudwolfthat might explain the issues im having time to try that...
05:26.50Arrowmasteryour probably trying to do gcatable[badwords]={} and the variable badwords doesnt exist so your effectively trying to do gcatable[nil]={} which would explain the error
05:28.13cloudwolfthank you so much arrowmaster
05:28.16cloudwolfits exactly waht i did
05:28.23cloudwolfand it was driving me bloody insane
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05:33.06PytlaskAnybody on that uses Wine to run WoW?
05:33.30ShirikIf I do "g++ | less" and an error occurs, is there a way to skip the pipe? Kinda like &&?
05:34.00Shirik(I want to skip the running of less, that is)
05:34.25Irielnot really
05:34.29Irielput it in a file then less that?
05:34.30Corrodiasso you could, like, just run g++
05:34.31NightHawkTheSaneshell script?
05:34.35Shirikyes this is a shell script
05:34.36Corrodiaswithout the | less part
05:34.47ShirikIriel: That's what I was thinking, but was trying to avoid :)
05:35.14Irielotherwise you'd have to do something clever with nested scripts and kill
05:35.24Irielwhich I wouldn't really recommend
05:35.38Shirikit's not a big deal, I can just deal with less being strange in the case of errors :P
05:36.19cloudwolfArrow master i love you XD
05:37.06ArrowmasterShirik: probably depends on the shell
05:37.12Shirikbash
05:37.27Arrowmasteri wouldnt be supprised if zsh was able to do that
05:37.36Arrowmasterdoubt bash can
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05:37.59Shirikwell I have zsh
05:38.03Shiriknever used it
05:38.05NightHawkTheSaneirc does not want me to stay connected tonight.
05:38.30Thunder_Childi wonder why
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05:47.55Corrodiasmaybe it wishes to spare us the pain
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06:04.13ShirikI was writing some code for one of my papers which discusses code which compilers fail to optimize, basically, and not only did I find what I expected from the compiler, I found a second inefficiency ^_^
06:10.06Irielwhy do they fail?
06:12.17ShirikIt's mostly the programmer's fault (and something my paper addresses is that many of today's programmers ignore the details of architectures, resulting in code that is impossible to optimize, because they rely on high level languages too much)
06:12.47Irielcouldn't the compiler warn you?
06:13.06ShirikI'm targetting a problem I isolated when writing an algorithm to identify points of intensity in a grid of pixels
06:13.11Shirikhm
06:13.25ShirikDo you think the compiler should warn you because it can't optimize something?
06:13.37Irielalso, what kind of "opportunity" loss is there here? 10% 1% 0.1% 0.0001%?
06:13.41selckinthats gonna be alot of warnings
06:13.51IrielI think it'd be nice if the compiler couild say "I had to generate less than ideal code because you did XYZ"
06:13.58ShirikWhen I optimized my code, it ran 6x faster
06:14.29Shirikat a framerate of 30fps, that translated into a CPU usage drop from about 40% to about 5%
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06:15.11ShirikIn any case, I think objdump is lying to me
06:15.18IrielThat's not necessarily the sam ething though is it?
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06:15.28ShirikNot quite, no
06:15.31Shirik8048a4d: 0f b6 04 18 movzbl (%eax,%ebx,1),%eax
06:15.37Irielthere's a difference between optimizing your code (period), and making small changes to allow the compiler to do a better job
06:15.38ShirikThere is no such instruction MOVZBL in Intel's documentation
06:16.17ShirikIt's kinda hard to explain, Iriel :/
06:16.25ShirikI do mean optimizing a hotspot of code
06:16.30Shirika specific case, that is
06:16.58ShirikThe paper addresses the general case but I target a specific case for demonstration
06:17.11IrielYour earlier comment though about high level languages implied that the inefficiency wasn't "poor algorithm"
06:17.27Irielbut some subtle factor that stymies the compiler
06:18.06ShirikBoth are true :)
06:18.36Irielcan you share y our example or is it secret?
06:18.41Iriel(just the C(++) source)
06:18.44ShirikI can share some examples
06:19.12ShirikCase #1 (basic): If the 'value' of a pixel is computed as a member function instead of a global function, the compiler will not optimize this case. This is because the compiler compiles the member function without the knowledge that it will be called about 2 million times in a row
06:19.41ShirikFor the purposes of ths paper, the 'value' of a pixel is simply (r+g+b), which is rather common for vision processing of infrared applications
06:20.16selckingive it more inline hints?
06:20.20ShirikBecause it's a member function, the compiler makes the simple code of, quite literally, get r, get g, get b, add them together, return result
06:20.27ShirikI'm getting there selckin :)
06:21.11IrielI'm 'assuming the function was non-virtual and the compiler IS allowed to inline it?
06:21.15Thunder_ChildFASTER SHIRIK FASTER!!!
06:21.15ShirikYes
06:21.47ShirikNow, taking it out of the class and inlining it produces slightly better code. However, the memory map is something the compiler will not correct because of the C++ standard. Thus, it cannot use SIMD instructions to vectorize the math because they will be out of alignment.
06:21.58ShirikThat's the part where user intervention would be required
06:22.29ShirikI do think, however, "intelligent" compilers should be able to resolve case #1. As of yet, they don't seem to do that.
06:22.36Irielagreed, on #1
06:22.47Shirik#2 was 01:21:40) (@Shirik) Now, taking it out of the class and inlining it produces slightly better code. However, the memory map is something the compiler will not correct because of the C++ standard. Thus, it cannot use SIMD instructions to vectorize the math because they will be out of alignment.
06:22.52Irielthat's where something like a level of indirection and dynamic analysis can yield better results in "hotspot" VM's
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06:29.06ShirikSo my little spiel right there was far simpler than it actually gets
06:29.09Shirikbut best I can do in 5 minutes :)
06:29.20ShirikI'll gladly show you the paper as it nears completion :)
06:32.51Irielthe cases made sense
06:33.12IrielAnd are consistent with the kinds of things i've had to do to optimize C++ code (image processing, amongst other things, yay relevance)
06:33.31Irielbut I used to write assembly by hand (not for your modern fancy processors mind), so i'm dimly aware of the tradeoffs
06:34.36Tekkubwhere the fuck is that bastard Kirkburn
06:35.05kd3it's 6 am over there?
06:36.29ShirikIriel: Funny thing is, I actually came across the problem while writing C++.NET code and optimized it with inline assembly. Something about writing assembly in .NET code made me question my sanity.
06:38.04Tekkubhttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3377/3270710565_f9caf3f7ae_b.jpg
06:38.04Tekkubsomeone stab Kirkburn for me
06:38.15Tekkubor kd3, I guess he'll do since KB's all MIA
06:38.45kd3the css busted? bah. I don't want to mess with it. too much hackery at this time of night
06:39.20ShirikTekkub, wtf ><
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06:46.12Arrowmasterbastards changed my ip address when they finally restored my connection
06:49.52Thunder_Child~qq Arrowmaster
06:49.53purlCRY MOAR Arrowmaster
06:50.20Arrowmasterthey always cause me to have to get a new dynamic ip when ive had one for like 3+ years
06:50.38IrielI take it you dont pay for a static IP, it's just "happy accident" ?
06:51.30Arrowmasterthey have atleast 3 different subnets on the same cable loop and i get forced to a different subnet every few years
06:51.53Tekkubkd3, Shirik, yea the css for pre blocks is all tiny on chrome
06:52.26Arrowmasterbut yeah im not paying for a static ip, they just bind dynamic ips to the same mac address for a period of time and since mines always on it always renews the same address
06:58.52Shirikwell you request a lease from the DHCP server
06:59.29Shirikif you disconnect for a short period of time, it's likely that you still had the lease and will be just granted the same IP
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06:59.40Shirikif you're renewing it, most DHCP servers don't change the IP
06:59.52Arrowmasteryes i know how it works and that when you send a dhcp request you also send the ip address you would like to have
06:59.52ShirikI'm not even sure they /can/ unless they have to
07:00.18Irielthey can do whatever they want to do
07:00.20Arrowmasterbut ive cold booted my router and modem together before and kept the same ip
07:00.20Iriel8-)
07:00.24Shirikcan they?
07:00.32ShirikWhat happens if you're in the middle of a connection when your lease runs out
07:00.33nevcairielI get a new ip on every reconnect
07:00.38IrielThey generally DONT
07:00.39Shirikyou aren't guaranteed to retain the connection?
07:00.40Irielbut they CAN
07:00.50ArrowmasterShirik: no
07:00.53Shirikthat sucks
07:00.54Arrowmasteryou send a renewal
07:00.58ShirikWell yeah
07:01.05Shirikbut I'm saying what if the DHCP server is like "yeah screw you"
07:01.06IrielMost of the implementations keep your ip persistent via a cache
07:01.24nevcairielrenewal requests usually let you keep it, but if you manage to disconnect and reconnet, its another issue
07:01.24Irielbut if you flip the server and refresh the cache it can re-assign on renew
07:01.56nevcairielmy provider forces a disconnect every 24 hours, and i get a new ip at that point .. they want more money for static ips :p
07:01.59ShirikWas so stupid when I worked for this one company I had to have a static IP
07:02.03Shirikhad to pay like $40 more
07:02.15Shirikthey refused to let me have a "mostly static" IP :P
07:02.22Shiriks/mostly/almost/
07:02.48Shirikis so much crap imo
07:02.57ShirikISPs are just reeling in money
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07:06.13kd3much like telcos... damned SMS messaging costing more per MB than it does to send data to mars...
07:07.13NightHawkTheSane"Capitaism: We'd charge to to breath if we could."
07:07.21NightHawkTheSanes/to/you/
07:07.34Arrowmasterdamnit now i want to see the next rover controlled via text message
07:08.00NightHawkTheSaneArrowmaster: nah, SMS fees would put NASA out of business.
07:08.41nevcairielA MB in SMS messaging? how many messages is that?
07:09.09kd3lua>10**20/140
07:09.09lua_botkd3: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '10'
07:09.15kd3lua>10^20/140
07:09.15lua_botkd3: 7.1428571428571e+17
07:09.26ShirikI thought it was closer to 160 chars per message
07:09.38kd3lua>(2^20)/160
07:09.38lua_botkd3: 6553.6
07:09.40nevcairielthe limit is 160, plus some protocol overhead i imagine
07:09.57NightHawkTheSaneSMS -is- protocol overhead >.>
07:10.02nevcairiellol
07:10.02kd3^^
07:10.34Shirikah, the limit is 160, but it cheats
07:10.39NightHawkTheSane"We were going to send this data anyway, now we'll just charge you for filling in the blank spaces"
07:10.44Shirikit uses 7 bit characters
07:11.07Shirikso it's actually a payload size of 140 bytes
07:11.21kd3knew I wasn't pulling that 140 number out of my ass
07:11.24kd3lua>(2^20)/140
07:11.25lua_botkd3: 7489.8285714286
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07:12.37ShirikThe overhead is 27 bytes
07:12.42Shirikso maximum size is 167 bytes
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07:15.27TekkubI WIN!
07:15.42Shirik?
07:15.42Tekkublil GM script to make the <pre> blocks on the forums not look like ASS
07:15.42Tekkubhttp://gist.github.com/raw/61893/9a6b651681d3c85a6140aad603312ecad2403f91/wow_forum_pre.user.js
07:15.59Shirikit's at github
07:16.01ShirikI refuse to click!
07:16.05Shirik:P
07:16.14Tekkubit's full of creamy goodness
07:17.07kd3cog posted something similar for another firefox plugin way back when...
07:17.35ZootfizzleGood man, Shirik
07:18.20ZootfizzleI say that whenever I see a domain name
07:18.22ZootfizzleI don't trust them
07:18.32Zootfizzle>_>
07:18.33kd3how much pain would it take to get whoever controls the forums code to fix it so we don't have to resort to hacks?
07:19.00kd3https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2108
07:19.09Tekkubkd3, probably a huge pain
07:19.10kd3^ stylish, the plugin in question
07:19.22Tekkubevery single post is wrapped in this mass of <br>s
07:19.22ShirikI think I need food
07:19.28Tekkubit's.... hideous
07:19.44kd3I was thinking of wailing on whoever it is with a clue-by-four, but that's not a comment I can make on the forums... >.>
07:19.52Tekkuband yea, you could rip the style out of my script there and shove it in your stylish too
07:20.11kd3meh, I need to find my old config for stylish
07:20.30kd3it took nearly all of the crap in the forums and either {display:none}'d it or got rid of it in one form or another
07:20.44Tekkuboh really?
07:20.59Tekkubif I used the main forums more than once amonth, I might like that
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07:24.31ShirikMy friend showed me this app today
07:24.33Shirikit's pretty awesome
07:24.35Shirikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhCJq7EAJJA&fmt=18
07:25.00kd3bingo, found it. let's see if it still works
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07:26.08kd3http://wowi.pastey.net/108083
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07:27.10ShirikBetter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPqXxmC51bI&feature=related
07:27.39kd3hey, it still works. now to kill the ads too
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07:32.10kd3updated stylish overrides, kills the ads dead: http://wowi.pastey.net/108084
07:38.14Dewinugh I hate wifi sometimes
07:38.33Dewinmy laptop is /right next to/ the wireless router and still can't transfer a file without dropping
07:39.06ccoxdewin - putting them that close may make it worse
07:39.20ccoxtry about 6 feet apart
07:39.26DewinWell, it's about ~4ft
07:39.38Dewinbut it's failing from 12ft no walls in between too
07:39.51DewinIt's a recent problem, I used to be able to transfer stuff just fine from the other room
07:40.13ccoxwow - I manage decent connections from outside the house and across the yard...
07:40.23ccoxsounds like time to check the router and laptop
07:40.26DewinI think it's the pos laptop, really.
07:40.37DewinAnd I would very much like to get a new one.
07:42.26Dewinthis is the same laptop that awhile back decided randomly it would refuse to authenticate with a specific AP
07:44.46DewinOnly thing I can think of is the fact that this computer (not the laptop, the computer I'm copying from) used to be connected directly to the router and is now one layer out since there's a gigabit hub in between
07:45.54Dewinmaybe if I get mad and throw it across the room I can convince my wife that we need a new laptop -- bonus points if it runs wow.
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07:49.40Dewin1no, thats' definitely not the cause.  Sigh.
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07:55.13Adyshttp://xkcd.com/542/
07:55.14Adys:D
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07:57.32Adyshttp://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1337 too
07:57.40Adysand i just noticed the comic id
07:59.43Corrodiashar
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08:07.11AbsolutRayneEvening all
08:07.18Adysello
08:08.57AbsolutRayneSo I ran an OS 25 tonight, like I always do on Tuesdays, just a thing I like to do to get our Guilds name out there. We finish the run, and this Pug resto Druid is talking mad trash on my Guild Healer, who did twice the healing and 30% less overhealing.
08:09.08AbsolutRayneWe proceed to point this out, and the guy just goes batshit.
08:09.31AbsolutRayneIts been 4 1/2 hours, ive ignored 13 alts. 1 of which he Impersonated a GM
08:09.39Thunder_Childhttp://i.gizmodo.com/5151166/space-battleship-yamato-cruises-into-lego-form
08:09.46AbsolutRayneA few that he impersonated Guild Members
08:09.56Adysreport him, impersonating GMs is bannable very severly
08:10.03NightHawkTheSan1^^
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08:10.13Shirikbannable severely?
08:10.17ShirikIs there a non-severe ban?
08:10.23Adysyeah 3 hours ban
08:10.26NightHawkTheSan1Shirik: he'll be banned so hard his -children- will be banned
08:10.28AbsolutRayneAdys: Oh trust me
08:10.29ShirikI call that a suspension :P
08:10.37Adysits a non-permanent ban
08:10.39NightHawkTheSan1Thunder_Child: epic
08:10.41AbsolutRayneEvery alt hes made, and PSTd me on so he can bypass the original ignore
08:10.45AbsolutRayneIts on the ticket
08:10.49Thunder_Childindeed NightHawkTheSan1, indeed
08:11.33AbsolutRayneAnd he hasnt PSTd me in the last 30 minutes. So either his mom told him bedtime, or the GMs got to him, the Tickets been Escalated
08:12.34sacarascAbsolutRayne: Was it Fisker-?
08:12.51AdysAbsolutRayne: sorry for being a jerk but
08:12.56AdysPST means please send tell
08:13.09AbsolutRayneOh nm
08:13.14Adysso "PSTing someone" means nothing :P
08:13.37AbsolutRayne14, hes Whispering my other officers asking for a G Invite, claiming to be a member of the guild
08:13.41AbsolutRayneOh man this is almost hillarious
08:13.51AbsolutRayneAdys: I know, long night, bad day, lots of RL stuff
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08:15.42AbsolutRayneTrying to deal with some stuff 2400 miles away that i really cant help but being worried sick about.
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08:22.31AbsolutRayneNow its back to Will be Serviced Soon O_o
08:22.45TorhalMy favorite is "PST please"
08:23.11Fisker-hey
08:23.20Adysplease PST me a tell please
08:23.26TorhalHeh, indeed.
08:23.54AbsolutRayneI get it -_-
08:24.08Adys~whalezero Shirik
08:24.09purlACTION summons Hubert the Mathematician Whale to create a black hole aimed at Shirik's body through a powerful unhandled division by zero.
08:24.16Zootfizzle~whaleparry Adys
08:24.16purlACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Adys's attacks.
08:24.26Adys~whalestab Zootfizzle
08:24.27purlACTION stabs Zootfizzle with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery
08:24.37Shirik~parry Adys
08:24.40Fisker-ooh
08:24.43Fisker-first EU servers up
08:24.43Shirikthere is no non-whale parry? :(
08:24.44Fisker-also
08:24.46Fisker-~whalenuke all
08:24.47purlACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around all with his mind powers.
08:24.55Adys~whalelaser Shirik
08:24.56purlACTION calls Jean-Pierre, a planet-sized whale from the future, who starts firing deadly lazerbeams from his head on Shirik, disintegrating every single cell from their body, leaving nothing but dust
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08:25.16Fisker-~whaleroundhousekickwhiledrinkingmilkshakeandpumpingiron Shirik
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08:25.21Fisker-oh.
08:25.27Adys~whaleslap Kalroth
08:25.28purlACTION beats Kalroth upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
08:25.35Kalrothhay baby
08:25.38Adysohai
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08:32.19Shiriklmao
08:32.35ShirikIt's a precedent thing. If you have a Pascal or Smalltalk background, youProbablySquashNamesTogether like this. If you have an Ada background, You_Probably_Use_A_Large_Number_Of_Underscores like this
08:32.37ShirikIf you have a Microsoft Windows background, you probably prefer the "Hungarian" style which means you jkuidsPrefix vndskaIdentifiers ncqWith ksldjfTheir nmdsadType. And then there are the folks with a Unix C background, who abbr evthng n use vry srt idntfr nms. (AND THE FORTRN PRGMRS LIMIT EVRYTH TO SIX LETTRS.)
08:32.44ShirikI love the windows comment
08:32.52Shirikit's so true
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08:33.54AdysAnd if you have a python background, you ____ __ ___ ______?
08:34.02Shirikshould die
08:34.04Shirikmuahaha
08:34.09Adysthat doesnt fit
08:34.10Shirikoh
08:34.12Shirikthe underscores
08:34.18Shirikwe can just leave them as underscores
08:34.21Shirik^_^
08:34.26Wobin@import variablenames
08:34.29Adysthat's "fill in the blanks"
08:34.33Adysjerk
08:34.34Adys:(
08:34.37ShirikWell, I like ____
08:34.37Shiriklol
08:35.06ShirikAnd then there's perl where we ran out of symbols for operators so we have to use letters for operators
08:35.46Adys`´&%*$?~@!\;.()-=_+[]
08:35.55Adysi guess that's a smiley in perl
08:36.43Shiriknite nite
08:36.50Adysnight
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08:39.38Adyskd3: http://www.wowwiki.com/Wine/nVidia
08:39.43Adysfor future ref
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08:43.06Thunder_Childhttp://i.gizmodo.com/5150930/intel-big-on-32nm-westmere-processors-for-consumers-in-2010
08:43.14nevcairielaccording to the xorg page, the 1.6 xorg wasnt even released yet .. where did you get that info? :P
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08:54.10Adysnevcairiel: it comes with jaunty and last fedora beta
08:54.49nevcairielthey dont even have a xorg-server 1.6 tag yet, latest is 1.5.99.<something>
08:54.57nevcairielshrug
08:54.57Adysyeah thats their way of saying rc
08:55.21Adysdoesnt matter anyway, getting 180.27 wont hurt anyone
08:57.40nevcairielindeed
09:07.31Fisker-awesome Thunder_Child
09:07.35Fisker-giev 6-core
09:07.44Fisker-i need moar graphs on task manager
09:08.31Fisker-http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/256lp-hpsuperdome.jpg
09:08.33Fisker-this is what i want
09:10.13nevcairielintel uses wordpress? fail
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09:13.42|pez|how's wordpress fail?
09:13.55nevcairielits php, for one
09:14.32nevcairielalso, a bad history of security flaws
09:14.54|pez|Well, it's not the main intel site anyway, it's a blog thing.
09:14.58Kalrothhttp://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001105.html
09:15.04|pez|So I think using WordPress is a good option. .P
09:15.51nevcairielsecurity flaws are always bad, no matter where exactly
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09:16.44|pez|Well, sure. But you're gonna be good if you're gonna make something without security flaws.
09:17.17nevcairielits not that hard
09:17.27nevcairielits usually just sloppy coding
09:17.30nevcairielespecially with php
09:18.00Adysi dont know any decent blog platform not in php unfortunately :/
09:18.13Adyswell except blogspot but thats not public
09:18.44nevcairielzine in python is pretty good, but its still early in development
09:18.47nevcairielbut looks really good for that
09:18.54Kalrotheww, python
09:18.57Kalroth:P
09:19.13Adyskalroth you suck snake sexual devices
09:19.39Adysalso
09:19.39Adys[11:08:30] <Fisker-> http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/256lp-hpsuperdome.jpg
09:19.43Adyswheres that from?
09:19.45Kalrothold
09:20.55|pez|is today the last day to get the elders? ..
09:21.22Adysyes
09:21.53|pez|guuh
09:22.35|pez|I've got all the things in eastern kingdom, and most of the dungeon ones. :P
09:22.43|pez|left*
09:22.45|pez|all those left.
09:28.44KalrothAdys: http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2009/01/05/what-does-256-cores-look-like/
09:29.26Adyswow
09:29.40Adysi was reading through the post and about to say exactly his last sentence
09:32.38Thunder_Childhttp://img.ipost.com/client/d/despair/RANDOMWAIL.jpg
09:32.38ShiibotNew WoW-EU Server Alert: > 04/02 Free character migrationThe following Free Character Migration will be available from Feb 4 to Feb 10:Horde only: Magtheridon --> Haomarush, Tarren Mill, Trollbane, Zenedar, Silvermoon (PvE)
09:32.38ShiibotAlliance only: Aerie Peak, Aggramar, Alonsus, Arathor, Azjol-Nerub, Bronze Dragonflight, Bronzebeard, Eonar, Hellscream, Khadgar, Lightbringer, Kilrogg, Kul Tiras, Silvermoon, Terenas, Turalyon --> Magtheridon
09:32.38ShiibotAl'Akir, Stormscale --> Vek'nilash, XaviusBurning Legion, Grim Batol --> Boulderfist, TrollbaneCrushridge, Sylvanas --> Chromaggus, HaomarushKazzak, Ravencrest --> Laughing Skull, Sunstrider
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09:37.54Thunder_Childhttp://i.gizmodo.com/5150341/the-complete-animated-history-of-the-internet
09:38.39Adysliberror-perl     Perl module for error/exception handling in an OO-ish way
09:38.44Adysthis makes me want to cry
09:39.02zenzioperl in general does that to many people
09:42.00|pez|Wonder what the best way to get halaa battle tokens is these days...
09:42.13|pez|Announce in the forums that I want a battle? :P
09:42.44Adysyeah pez
09:43.31|pez|figured.
09:43.39|pez|I want the those dark talbuks.
09:50.26sacarascOr you get a bored friend on the opposing faction to fight you a lot
09:51.15Adysffs
09:51.19Adysvlc depends on libmng1
09:51.24Adysbut it CANT READ mng files
09:54.14sacarascHaha
09:56.58nevcairiellol
09:57.23nevcairielmplayer > vlc, imho
09:57.31haste<PROTECTED>
09:58.32amrobut vlc has a 3 letter name!
09:59.20Arrowmaster`doesnt vlc amazingly have even worse subtitling than mplayer?
09:59.34nevcairiel(who needs subtitles?)
09:59.43Arrowmasteri do
09:59.48sacarascAnimu tards
10:00.05Arrowmasteryour one to talk
10:00.24sacarasc:D
10:00.26nevcairieli cant stand wathcing anythin with subtitles
10:00.33nevcairieleither i understand the language, or i dont watch it
10:00.38nevcairielwhats the point
10:02.03amrothe point is to be able to watch interesting stuff without learning languages beforehand
10:04.20Wobinoh hey. Patch
10:06.56amrobad patch
10:09.16Wobinoh
10:09.22Wobinand for anyone who has nothing better to do: http://www.mcgov.co.uk/riddles/level1.html
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10:49.11|pez|awwh, I got a present from a UC guard!
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11:47.31zenziohttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/02/10/funny-pictures-day-is/
12:04.29Wobinhttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/02/09/funny-pictures-crashed-and-needs-cuddles/
12:14.06Kalrothaww
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12:25.26Wobinhm
12:25.26ShiibotNew WoW-EU Server Alert: > 11/02 Free character migrationDue to faction differences, the following Free Character Migration will be available from February 11 to 17:Horde only: Magtheridon --> Haomarush, Tarren Mill, Trollbane, Zenedar, Silvermoon (PvE)
12:25.26ShiibotAlliance only: Aerie Peak, Aggramar, Arathor, Azjol-Nerub, Dragonblight, Ghostlands, Hellscream, Khadgar, Kilrogg, Lightbringer, Nagrand, Silvermoon, Stormrage, Terenas, Thunderhorn, Turalyon --> Magtheridon (PvP)
12:25.26ShiibotPlease note that any migration may be closed at any time should a destination realm's population rise too high. For questions and additional information, please see the Realms and Migration thread in the General forum.
12:25.37Wobindo we have an addon that can search and highlight items in the guild banks?
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12:48.48WobinNotAlwaysRight always makes me both laugh and cry at the state of humanity
12:49.16zenziohttp://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=626 is a somewhat interesting read (backstory on how some exploit worked)
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12:57.58jnwhitehwhat?
12:58.21zenziosounds like you should consider renaming your functions
12:58.46jnwhitehthat's not my addon
12:58.51jnwhitehi want to know what the fuck addon it is :P
12:58.57zenzio:-p
12:59.49Kalrothwtfroflolmao
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13:02.03|pez|My god, I'm so lost.
13:02.06hastejnwhiteh: looks like one of the pay add-ons
13:02.11jnwhitehindeed
13:02.15jnwhitehjust no idea which one
13:02.29hastejnwhiteh: think the one on C usse rofl lol thingy as random "encryption"
13:02.37hastechanges between versions and so on
13:03.17jnwhitehwow, how obnoxious
13:04.22hasteCarbonite be the name!
13:05.20nevcairielyeah thats carbonite
13:05.24nevcairielNx.* shit always is
13:06.14nevcairielthats why i hate those addons
13:06.19nevcairielyou're unable to debug any errors
13:06.19|pez|So... I'm standing at the Blackrock Spire meeting stone, and I can't find lbrs from there. How noob am I?
13:06.43jnwhitehLBRS and BRS are the same
13:06.44hasteUBRS and LBRS is the same instanec
13:07.04zenzio|pez|: do you know how to get to Blackrock Depths?
13:07.16nevcairiel|pez|: from the stone just follow the path through the orcs and up to the balcony
13:07.21|pez|zenzio: Nope!
13:07.45|pez|nevcairiel: Alright!
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13:08.07|pez|Ok, so the Hall of Blackhand is both the instances?
13:08.14nevcairielyes
13:08.15|pez|like the start of it
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13:08.48nevcairielyou go to the right for lbrs, and the closed door to the left is ubrs
13:09.58|pez|so if I'm in Hordemar City, I'm on the right path? XD
13:10.20nevcairielI could draw you a picture =p
13:10.40|pez|Oh, I see the Elder, all is good.
13:10.41|pez|thanks!
13:10.46nevcairielgood
13:11.57|pez|next stop, blackrock depths...
13:16.41|pez|heck, I found that one myself XD
13:19.08|pez|Now I've only got the Northrend dungeon ones left. :P
13:21.03|pez|In the elders guide, it's written - All dungeons with the exception of Gundrak, Utgarde Pinnacle, and Azjol-Nerub are soloable as a rogue, hunter or druid.
13:21.14|pez|I wonder if they mean ubergeared hunters.
13:33.15[dRaCo]no, just run, feign death, repeat
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13:47.48ZorbaTHutpez, hope you've got a friendly guild to get you through those three dungeons :)
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14:07.01LopeppeppyMorning, zenzio.  *hugs*
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14:20.06nevcairielhttp://en.akinator.com/ <- awesome
14:23.06zenzioeither I misunderstood "character", or he lacked the questions to figure out Nigel Sheldon
14:23.44nevcairielI don't know him, so shrug .)
14:24.02nevcairieli tried some politicians, fictional characters from tv, real actors, all worked so far
14:24.17zenzioone of the guys who invented wormhole technology in Pandora's Star
14:24.23zenzio(book)
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14:31.05laegis anyone having problems with the curse client under wine?
14:37.10zenzioa lot of people experience curse trouble while intoxicated
14:41.10LopeppeppyI just want my users to have more than 512 RAM.  Is that too much to freakin' ask?
14:41.10Lopeppeppy*sigh*
14:44.41|pez|ZorbaTHut: Well... I do, sort of, but they're sporadically online XD
14:45.02|pez|So I'm asking randoms who've done the dungeon to swap me in, so I can speak to the elder when they're done. :P
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14:51.28ZorbaTHutI got the AN dungeon by running a group of lowbies through the non-heroic version
14:51.33ZorbaTHutthey were thankful for the help, I got my elder :)
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14:52.45|pez|ZorbaTHut: Heh ^^
14:54.12|pez|I think the Gundrak one needs to be done in Heroic mode?
14:54.19nevcairielindeed
14:55.18|pez|I got The Nexus and UK one, waiting for a group to finish UP to get that one...
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15:11.41Wobingundrak you can go in the back door
15:11.46Wobinand kill two bosses to get to the elder
15:12.12|pez|alone? :P
15:12.18Wobinprobably not =)
15:12.27WobinYou could -try- =)
15:17.28mikmagundrak...
15:17.31durcynyou don't need to kill eck
15:17.37mikmathat's the only instance you need to run as heroic afaik
15:17.49mikmayou could just wait until someone has done it and join their party after they are done
15:17.56mikmathen just run in (clear instance) to get the elder
15:17.59mikmathat's what i did
15:20.24Wobinah, we got distracted by eck
15:20.29Wobinbut you're right
15:20.32Wobinyou can avoid him
15:25.02Fisker-omg mikma
15:25.05Fisker-you scared wobin and ckknight
15:25.25WobWorktotally
15:26.08Seerahnow that Wobin's gone, let's tell secrets about him!
15:26.19Seerah;)
15:26.30laegany disadvantage to using wowmatrix instead of the curse client?
15:26.42nevcairielYeah, we will probably hurt you
15:26.48mikmafisker-: ya
15:26.48Seerahwowmatrix is the devil
15:26.52laeglol
15:26.54laegwhy so?
15:26.59mikmaseerah: yes, yes it is.
15:27.24laegautomatic updates are the coolest thing in the world
15:27.29|pez|mikma: That is the plan of action atm
15:27.34nevcairiellaeg: at any cost?
15:27.35|pez|Waiting for people to finish UP and HoS. :P
15:27.40laegdon't look now automatic addon updates, but i think you just won the internets
15:27.46laegnevcairiel: care to elaborate?
15:27.48Lopeppeppylaeg, just go read the threads so we don't have to beat the dead horse again.
15:27.54nevcairielindeed
15:28.06nevcairielI believe wowinterface has a thread that outlines the issues perfectly
15:28.15LopeppeppyIndeed it does.
15:28.17Seerahlaeg: let's just put it this way....  they will kill author spirits and ruin/kill the download sites
15:28.25Seerahso does wowace
15:28.37laegthen curse needs to make the CC linux native
15:28.40Seerahand the official forums
15:28.47nevcairielLinux does not natively run WoW
15:28.53nevcairielso the priority is the lowest of all
15:28.54Seerahtalk to Kaelten.  that, too
15:29.04laegsurely they must appreciate that since it's developers that make the addons a lot of them will be on linux
15:29.13nevcairielif wine can run WoW, i bet it can run the curse updater too? :)
15:29.13laegnevcairiel: but it does run wow
15:29.17laegit can't :)
15:29.24laegit ran once, worked great, and now crashes on load
15:29.26nevcairielbring that up with the wine team
15:29.34Adyslaeg: terminal output?
15:29.36laegthey recommended wowmatrix
15:29.45laegnevcairiel: well someone in the irc channel at least
15:29.55laegAdys: standby
15:30.17laegwhen before i can login i get a popup 'please wait while the client closes, press cancel to abort update' then it freezes
15:30.19nevcairielI should boot into my linux when i get home and try iit
15:30.21laegtried uninstalling and reinstalling
15:30.28nevcairiellaeg: thats the auto-updater
15:30.37Fisker-wtf
15:30.44Fisker-just got 2 romantic baskets in a row
15:30.55laegnevcairiel: it doesn't close though, and left it over night, no change
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15:31.45laegAdys: how to i run it in terminal?
15:31.51Adyslaeg: wine wow
15:32.07nevcairielIf you use linux, you might appreciate the effort authors put into writing the addons, and how wowmatrix butchers that effort to make profit in their own ads
15:32.19nevcairielthat should be enough for a reasonable person to not use it
15:32.33laegAdys: nevermind it's running
15:32.40Adysok :/
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15:32.48laegAdys: i thought you wanted me to run the curse client? wow works fine..
15:32.54Adyslaeg: yes wowmatrix
15:33.17laegAdys: that also works, having problems with the curse client...
15:33.30Adysrun whatever you have a problem with
15:33.34Adysand post the terminal output
15:33.55laegnevcairiel: i see the ads, hard not to
15:34.32laegnevcairiel: i'd appreciate if you in fact did try CC when you get home
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16:09.36nevcairielyou can sneak through there
16:09.41nevcairielor feign death your way in there
16:10.06nevcairielits not soloable by anyone that needs to fight through
16:10.41|pez|I'm aggroing the first group of dwarves.. xD
16:11.18|pez|I'm hugging the wall
16:11.25nevcairielAs what?
16:11.44|pez|hunter
16:11.51|pez|I can FD, sure.
16:11.55|pez|But all the way through?
16:12.05durcynit'd be tricky without invis/stealth
16:12.08nevcairielWell of course you'll aggro as a hunter, maybe some invis potions are required
16:12.09durcynmight be able to do it with an invis pot
16:12.12durcyn^
16:12.24|pez|back to dalaran it is then! XD
16:12.42nevcairielI did all the instances properly, well somewhat properly, a 5 man 80 group isnt properly for nexus :P
16:12.52|pez|heh
16:12.55|pez|I sneaked that one
16:13.09nevcairielwe just did a tour though all instances
16:14.05|pez|Oh, btw, what is this "The Ice Stone has melted!" stuff?
16:14.18nevcairielno idea
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16:23.14durcyngoogle-fu indicates it's some bug associated with the valentines event
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16:24.45ZorbaTHutgot the first alliance gift package turnin on my server :D
16:25.00nevcairielyour server is slow
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16:25.20nevcairielI turned mine in a few hours ago
16:25.20ZorbaTHuttrue
16:25.39ZorbaTHutyou couldn't have turned it in more than about two hours ago :P
16:25.44ZorbaTHutand even that would be tough
16:26.00nevcairielhow so?
16:26.07nevcairielservers have been up 6 hours
16:26.09nevcairieleven more
16:26.37ZorbaTHutah, PST server
16:26.42nevcairielEU server :p
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16:27.02nevcairielmaintenance till 10:30 or so today
16:27.03ZorbaTHutI feel the location of my server is not my fault, then ;)
16:27.06nevcairielthats 7 hours ago
16:29.04Fisker-hey nevcairiel
16:29.07Fisker-i am the hater of you
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16:53.21laeg"additional instances cannot be launced" in rfd, wtf
16:53.32laegdon't they know how much effort it takes to make a group and bring them
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16:56.22Gnarfozlaeg: you're acting as if instance servers were instance specific :p
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17:08.15foxlitclearly they need to implement queueing rather than this random failure crap
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17:09.24NightHawkTheSan1>.> I wish there was a way to unenchant something.
17:09.48nevcairielwhy?
17:10.15durcynjust disenchant it, problem solved.
17:10.22NightHawkTheSaneer, no.
17:10.28nevcairiellol
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17:10.59NightHawkTheSanei upgraded my cat dps staff, and i'd like to use the old one for tanking, because it's (sadly) better than what i was using. but it's got berserking enchanted on it.
17:11.11NightHawkTheSaneAnd I dont feel like using mats to enchant it with something else, because i'm lazy :P
17:11.14alestaneThrow a +1 damage enchant or something on it?
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17:12.03NightHawkTheSaneid have to go -find- the mats for that, see above. i'm feeling lazy. :P
17:13.10alestaneI don't think I reallly want a way to "right-click off" the permanent enchant from my weapon, honestly.
17:13.54NightHawkTheSanewell, i didn't say it should be -that- easy, but just "possible with a deliberate action, but not too much hassle"
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17:14.35LopeppeppyOh gods, imagine the GM tickets for that.
17:15.18nevcairielconfirmation box, like throwing away a item
17:16.02alestaneAt a minimum. There'd still be tickets from people who did it without paying attention.
17:16.24nevcairieltheir own damn fault, then
17:16.43nevcairielif you manage to type "UNENCHANT" into a box while not paying attention
17:16.45nevcairielyou deserve it
17:16.50LopeppeppyBut the GMs still have to get the tickets and tell them to suck it the hell up.
17:16.57alestaneAnd it's worth pointing out that that confirmation box isn't intrinsic...a badly or maliciously written addon can still delete all your blues without ever asking you for confirmation.
17:17.45NightHawkTheSaneLopeppeppy: GMs deal with all kinds of "it's your own fault, you stupid moron" stuff every day, adding one more thing to the pile of stupid things people can do really seems minor :P
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17:18.01LopeppeppyNot if you're the GM it don't.
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17:18.28alestaneThe counter argument to that is that with all the "Not Always Right" bullshit they have to deal with every day, should anyone be adding to the pile?
17:19.01nevcairielThey could just make it a spell like disenchant
17:19.06foxlitAdd an Enchant Weapon - Nothing spell, clearly
17:19.08nevcairielbut then, its really unnecessary
17:19.25NightHawkTheSaneyeah, it kind of is. mostly i'm just being lazy and bitching ;)
17:19.35foxlitWhich'd just be a permanent enchant that has no effects.
17:19.40|Jelly|Strip enchant and chance at getting some of the mats back. It's like DE but not.
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17:21.14NightHawkTheSanespeaking of not-always-right, what the crap? http://notalwaysright.com/why-we-cant-have-nice-things/1533
17:21.57ccoxcrazy people exist....
17:22.08ccox(and always seem to call customer support when you're there)
17:22.15LopeppeppyToo many of them.
17:24.02alestaneUm. Yeah.
17:24.21mikmalol
17:24.32mikmaVoA 10man drop: Reings of Black War Mammoth
17:24.56nevcairielyeah apparently they upped the drop rate
17:29.32alestaneEven better: http://notalwaysright.com/trust-me-they-never-did-numa-numa-during-wwii/1526
17:31.11nevcairielhaha
17:33.42ccoxfoxlit - I think that spell is called "lesser demonslaying"
17:34.13ccox"it glows, but that's about all it does"
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18:06.57nevcairielhaha nice cloak
18:07.32nevcairielalso zoot, hotfix the ice stone soon? :|
18:07.56durcynbut it's MELTED
18:08.02NightHawkTheSanehm, i forget.. are the City Gift collections you create used for anything.. useful?
18:08.17nevcairielNightHawkTheSane: you get more of those items you need for the achievements
18:08.26nevcairielchocolate, arrows, rings, rose pedals
18:08.27nevcairielor so
18:08.43NightHawkTheSaneokay, i forgot if they were good for anything
18:08.54nevcairielthey are not
18:08.58nevcairielexcept if you hunt achievements :)
18:09.08NightHawkTheSane<-- achievement whore :(
18:09.22ZootfizzleMe too :(
18:09.33Arrowmastergona be hell to try and get a black dress
18:09.39ZootfizzleWhat's wrong with the Ice Stone?
18:09.49NightHawkTheSaneArrowmaster: at least it's not required for the meta.
18:09.50Arrowmasteri didnt get credit for the one i already had in my inventory during the 3.0 patch
18:09.52nevcairielwe get alot of messages that it apparently melted
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18:10.03nevcairiellike, every minute
18:10.17Arrowmasterwhats an ice stone?
18:10.21AbsolutRayneAh-choo!
18:10.25zenzelezznevcairiel: that's not a bug, that's global warming
18:10.45nevcairielhah
18:10.55ZootfizzleEveryone everywhere?
18:11.06|pez|The ice stone?
18:11.17|pez|Been getting that message all day, that it's melted.
18:11.21nevcairielI don't know about everywhere .. but i could list you a number of zones where i got it..
18:11.28ZootfizzleJust one would be fine =)
18:11.37nevcairielIronforge
18:11.45ArrowmasterZootfizzle: did my IsAddOnLoaded() bugfix make it into 3.0.9 or am i going to have to wait for 3.1?
18:11.46|pez|the whole of eastern kingdom for me. :P
18:12.18|pez|And Northrend, as far as I can remember.
18:12.33ZootfizzleIt'll be in 3.1, Arrowmaster
18:12.39Arrowmasterok
18:13.51|pez|So, what is the Ice Stone anyway?
18:14.07nevcairielSomething from the summer festival
18:14.15durcynahune encounter iirc
18:14.17|pez|Oh, wow.
18:14.20Arrowmasterheh
18:14.33Arrowmasteri wonder if the silver shafted arrow bug still exists
18:14.45|pez|nevcairiel: Soo.. it does not belong in the game at all, at the moment?
18:14.45Stanzillait does
18:14.53ArrowmasterStanzilla: you know what bug im talking about?
18:14.55ShirikArrowmaster: bug?
18:14.56nevcairielnot that i'm aware of
18:15.02Stanzillacancel the cast and it counts?
18:15.05Arrowmasteryeah
18:15.09Stanzillastill works
18:15.12Shirikbad timing, bug with IsAddOnLoaded()?
18:15.27ArrowmasterShirik: 2nd return doesnt reset on reload
18:15.32Shirikah
18:15.52ArrowmasterStanzilla: hehe i had all of dalaran with peddelfeets when i pulled one out of my mailbox the other month
18:16.04Shiriksomeone explain to me why my resume is on an external hard drive that I never have with me when I want to apply somewhere :/
18:16.12ShirikI need more organization
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18:17.10nevcairielhah
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18:18.24Tekkubso we're at the store last night, and there's this lady talking too loud on her phone....
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18:18.40Tekkub"They want to give me an MRI or a colonoscopy or something..."
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18:18.58Tekkubhow do you confuse those?
18:19.15ccoxthe average person has no clue what those mean
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18:19.48ccoxand very few know the difference between MRI, CAT, PET, etc.
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18:20.05ccox(and when you call it NMR, they get scared and run away)
18:20.12Lunessastation
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18:21.18LunessaGetting any of the above listed scans would make me a bit nervous and would require the removal of my body-jewlery.
18:22.27Gnarfozbig deal
18:22.33Arrowmasteranything interesting?
18:22.52Gnarfozthe Ice Stone has melted, but nothing else of interest
18:23.33TekkubI can understand getting the scans confused with each other... but a colonoscopy?
18:23.42ShirikWhy does office come with a built-in link to "Go download save-as-PDF addon" but doesn't come with that by default
18:24.14Tekkubbecause they wanted to push their stupid format
18:24.26ShirikXPS?
18:24.28Tekkuband then claim they weren't trying to kill pdf
18:24.29ccoxTekkub: again, they really don't know.  It's as if I told you that you needed a frizzblat and a whackamajig -- they hear words, but have no concept to go with it
18:24.31Tekkubyea that
18:24.37Shirikman nobody uses that
18:24.41Shirikstupid Microsoft
18:24.53Tekkubexactly
18:24.54ccoxShirik: that was redundant
18:25.02Shirikccox :P
18:25.10Shirikccox, you may be interested to know I applied to Microsoft
18:25.31ccoxShirik: is the economy really that bad?
18:25.37Shirikhaha
18:25.56Shirikactually, most of the companies I want to go to have more positions than ever
18:26.01ccox(it may be, even Google is cutting back on hiring)
18:26.13ccoxWhere are you trying?
18:26.31ShirikBoeing, Lockheed, Rockwell-Collins
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18:26.39ShirikI should try Raytheon
18:26.58ccoxeven for embedded work, those are pretty painful companies right now
18:27.07ccox(and not the most pleasant in good economic times)
18:27.08ShirikInsitu had 26 internships open, up from 4 for last year
18:27.16ShirikAnd they only go to 2 schools for recruiting
18:27.30ccoxheh, internships can get state or federal support, and you don't have to pay full benefits
18:27.42Shirikheh, so that's how they're cheating :P
18:27.44LunessaRayethon is a pretty cool place to work - a friend of mine worked there while she got her doctorate.
18:27.49foxlitmikma is jumping erratically around IF :/
18:27.54ccoxbeen there, played that game - now I try to make sure we do right by our interns
18:27.55ShirikI knew someone that worked at Raytheon and said the same thing, Lunessa
18:28.39ccoxmy friends bailed from raytheon - but they all worked in the same missile guidance group
18:29.44Arrowmasteri have 35 fruitcakes in my bank, thats just not right
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18:30.06GnarfozI have Festival Dumplings in just about every slot
18:30.11Gnarfoz740 all in all :O
18:33.19LunessaArrowmaster: I had 3 years worth of the damned fruitcake on one toon.  I had to force myself to use it all.
18:34.02Arrowmasteri have 4 years of some of the christmas food that you only get 5 of per year with a unique(20) on it
18:34.32Arrowmasteri need to upgrade to all 22 slot bags but i dont have the money
18:35.49mikmafoxlit: ya
18:35.56mikmafoxlit: with me Untamed Blade!
18:36.02ShirikI'm applying to another position
18:36.09ShirikAnd here's what it says
18:36.09mikmafoxlit: AND! my BDSM harness
18:36.20ShirikActual Graduation Date (Required):
18:36.26ShirikProjected Graduation Date (Required):
18:36.32Shirik... how can both be required
18:37.20mikmafoxlit: we're trying to gather 25man naxx but not enough people :( 7 missing
18:37.44foxlitaw :(
18:39.28foxlitI'd join, but I have an erratic dinner schedule that always ends up eating a chunk of time out of raids :/
18:40.06foxlitShirik: they're clearly trying to check how well you can project things :)
18:40.22mikmahehe :I
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18:44.16Seerah|Awayshirik: just make them the same?....
18:44.21Zyndrome"Changed the color of the fissure in the Obsidian Sanctum to be more visually distinct." ...... more like, "Changed the color of the fissure in the Obsidian Sanctum to blue, making it shittier."
18:44.21ShirikI did
18:44.23Shirikbut that seems stupid
18:44.31Seerah|Awayyes
18:45.22AdysZyndrome: give the baddies some hope
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18:45.49Adyspeople who die on shitcracks NOT due to lag or stuff like that just make me cry
18:46.30Adyshow comes most of the time Im able to whisper them "You're going to die in 3 seconds" before the crack even pops
18:46.34Adysand they havent moved an inch
18:47.11Arrowmasteri dont even know what you are talking about
18:47.20Adysvoid zones etc
18:47.26Arrowmasteroh
18:47.34amroshitcrack = shadow fissure
18:47.36AckisWorkvoid zones are hard to see on 25-man OS IMO
18:47.37LunessaI love being called "bad"  I've died to floor stuff.
18:47.54Adysso have i
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18:47.56Adysthats not the problem
18:48.00Adysits people dying REGULARLY to it
18:48.04amrodying once is not the issue, dying every try is
18:49.25amroAckisWork: they don't hurt much, how can you die to one?
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18:49.40Adysthey hit for like 8k
18:49.47LunessaOccasionally, I die to flame walls in OS - usually because I was out of position in the first place, or lost track of my position on the screen.
18:49.51Adysi remember people surviving shit that hit for 8k pre bc
18:49.59NeoTron<PROTECTED>
18:50.06AckisWorkamro: My video card locks up for about 5 seconds and I'm a priest with 14-15k health only :P
18:50.07Adysflame walls are different
18:50.34amroAckisWork: I'm not talking about getting caught, I'm talking about dying... don't the other healers heal?
18:50.46AckisWorkI don't know, my video card is locked up lol
18:50.54AdysATI?
18:51.06AckisWorknvidia
18:51.10Adystoo bad.
18:51.19Gnarfozalso, OS is not just Sarth+0 :p
18:51.22Adyswhat card anyway?
18:51.29AdysGnarfoz: so?
18:51.35Lynthe icestone as melted ffs
18:51.41amroGnarfoz: I'm talking about Sarth+2 from my experience
18:51.43Gnarfozon Sarth+combinations, Void Zones are basically instakills for everyone who's not a tank
18:51.54Adysyeah
18:51.56amroI always assumed they were instakills
18:51.57Adysbut they dont hit any faster
18:51.58Gnarfozflame walls also kill you with inital+1st dot tick
18:52.05foxlitWoW is trying to win the "best videogame" award by warning you about the implications of global warming
18:52.07Gnarfozyeah, just talking about the numbers here
18:52.15Gnarfozmovement cripples are movement cripples. :p
18:52.16mikmafoxlit: c'mon, we got a spot for you )
18:52.36Gnarfozamro: nah. 14k dmg or something. + the 100% more shadow dmg aura = 28k. if you have enough HP, you live
18:52.38foxlitAs long as you can cope with me being afk in the middle of your run :)
18:53.03amroGnarfoz: in any case, it's the most easily avoidable damage in os25
18:53.11mikmafoxlit: how long are you planning to afk?
18:53.16GnarfozI find flame walls to be easier to avoid :(
18:53.43amroflame walls are easy if you get your positioning right
18:53.44Gnarfozactually, I find swimming in lava damage, torrent damage and Sarth's melee, flame breath, tail swipe and cleave to be the easiest ones to avoid, but I digress :p
18:54.16amroI can sit in the lava without taking damage
18:54.22foxlitHowever long it takes to consume dinner. Probably around 10-20m
18:54.48mikmafoxlit: that's doable, just as long as you come back to kill bosses (loot)
18:55.11foxlitskip trash, steal loot, check :)
18:55.32amroI've afked in sarth+2, and still didn't die to voidzones
18:55.45mikmafoxlit: sure ^^ just as long as we get the raid full and can go
18:56.27amroget one of those AV afkbots :P
18:56.54Kaso|Anyone still use internet explorer? http://www.heise.de/security/dienste/browsercheck/demos/ie/msniff/security_logo_en.jpg
18:57.32mikmafoxlit: what's the charname i'll invite?
18:58.01foxlitNo player named 'Oe' is currently playing. D'oh, alts :)
18:58.13mikmayeah veining cobolt for my friend :D
18:58.40amroI hear oe sucks at battlegrounds
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19:00.50AdysKaso|: whats that?
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19:01.26Kaso|An image, with embedded javascript that executes in internet explorer
19:01.31Adyslol?
19:01.31GnarfozAdys: old, is what that is, probably
19:01.55Kaso|http://www.heise-online.co.uk/security/Risky-MIME-sniffing-in-Internet-Explorer--/features/112589/0
19:01.56Arrowmasteris it really an image?
19:02.04Kaso|yah
19:02.08Kaso|in firefox it renders fine
19:02.11Adysits a png
19:02.39Adysah ok.
19:02.41amroAn attacker just needs to embed HTML code, together with JavaScript, into the start of an image and when that manipulated image is opened, instead of displaying the image, Internet Explorer detects and runs the code.
19:02.55ArrowmasterIE is shitty about ignoring the MIME type sent by the server and trying to detect it on its own, mostly by checking the file extension
19:02.57amroOh here's some javascript. Lemme execute that for you
19:03.29Arrowmasterhell if you send text/plain it will render it as html if it finds <>'s
19:03.30Adyshttp://devcub.com/~adys/gg.png
19:03.56Gnarfoz~seen zeksie
19:03.57purlzeksie is currently on #wowuidev (10h 49m 15s) #wowace (10h 49m 15s) #curseforge (10h 49m 15s). Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 5h 41m 27s, last said: 'mmm'.
19:04.17Zeksie*wave
19:04.24Kaso|Should make an image that redirects to getfirefox.com
19:04.40GnarfozZeksie: woot, for once you're actually there ^^
19:04.51GnarfozZeksie: MalygosHelper misbehaves :O
19:04.57Zeksiei am a lot. you just live in a silly timezone :)
19:05.23Zeksieyeh, expect an update to that soon. tweaked how it catches the Engulf. should be more reliable
19:05.31Zeksiejust need to test it at least once
19:05.55Zeksiebit of a gap in the combat log going the other route which meant it could give wrong stack counts
19:06.10cog|work/cast [target=Zootfizzle] Gnomish Mischief
19:06.17Zeksiei assume this is what you're refering to
19:06.27GnarfozZeksie: actually, it is not :D
19:06.34Zeksieoh dear ;)
19:06.39Zeksiego on then.. hit me
19:06.41durcynif you watch SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS and SPELL_AURA_REMOVED, the only time you get a wrong stack count is if it falls off during travel time
19:06.50durcynwhich resets on the next cast anyway
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19:07.10GnarfozZeksie: for one, it doesn't activate if you reload ui while in the EoE, because it only hooks zone change events
19:07.15Zeksiedurcyn: that's what i'm doing now. i was trying to get it working ebfore with SpELL_AURA_APPLIED_DOSE.. but it doesn't say who applies the dose.
19:07.17Zeksiewhich sucks
19:07.31Lunessacog|work: FAIL!
19:07.40GnarfozZeksie: also, the entire active/inactive thing seems to be bogus. I was running Naxx25 with profiling on and MalygosHelper constantly showed up in the top25 cpu usage list... wtf? :P
19:07.50LunessaHe's not in your party/raid.
19:08.10Zeksiesure it wasn't Ace3 embedded doing that?
19:08.11durcyni haven't found a better method, Zeksie, not until UnitDebuff has a flag for pet
19:09.01Zeksiedurcyn: yeh, need something for it. 1 for self, 2 for pet or something would be fine.
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19:10.04GnarfozZeksie: which ace3 component would I have to blame? M is not that much in the front of the alphabet for MalygosHelper to load any part of Ace3 as the first addon around is it :D
19:10.32Adys[2. Trade] [Lagnu]: im heartbroken
19:10.32Adys[2. Trade] [Addys]: Try Meetic
19:10.37Adys<- Jerk? [Y/n]
19:10.49Fisker-n
19:10.59Zeksieaddons dont' load in alpha order
19:11.50LunessaAdys: Why didn't you refer them to Match.com?
19:12.01Zeksiebut look thru the code, Maly really does unregister stuff when inactive. does barely anything
19:12.12LunessaOr e|Harmony.  Then you'd have been a Jerk.
19:12.25Adysdo you think i know dating websites?
19:12.26GnarfozZeksie: since when don't they? I'm not on a Mac...
19:12.34durcynjust out of curiosity, why are you enabling on zone change instead of vehicle?
19:12.35Adysmeetic is the only one i know because theres shitload of advertising for it in france
19:13.24Zeksiedepends on a tonne of things, which mods have which others as dependancies etc. and i doubt they sort the dir folder. in which case the file list comes as is from disk
19:13.52Zeksieif it's anything like lua tables, it'll be in whatever damned order it feels like at the time ;)
19:14.26LunessaAdys: Oh, you're in France.  In which case, much is made clear.
19:14.32AdysIm in greece
19:14.35AdysI was in france
19:14.47durcynwhy would anyone want to meet french people
19:14.52GnarfozI think it's pretty established that at least under windows, they *will* be loaded and processed in alphabetical order, unless dependencies are specified (which they aren't for MalygosHelper)
19:15.42Gnarfozguess why data gathering addons that want to get unmodified information like the wowhead scraper use "+Wowhead_Looter" as their dirname ;>
19:16.24Gnarfozalso, if it wasn't like this, the whole "with embedded libs you will have misattributed cpu and ram usage numbers" situation wouldn't exist :O
19:16.31Gnarfozaaaanyway
19:16.51amrodurcyn: lack of punching bags?
19:17.23Zeksieyeh. true enough. but, i'm pretty damned certain MH doesn't do anything when inactive.
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19:17.36Gnarfozif it *does* unregister... how come: http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/wow/malygoshelper.jpg ? :(
19:18.00Gnarfozit shouldn't even show up in naxx, at all ^^
19:18.11Gnarfozand no we didn't do Malygos before naxx ^^
19:19.57Adyswhat would someone need a malygoshelper for.
19:20.14Zeksieit's a pretty small amount you're showing there. how long had wow been running?
19:20.23GnarfozAdys: for exactly what the addon does
19:20.35AdysGnarfoz: Im just grinning
19:20.38GnarfozZeksie: check the per second column. it shouldn't be doing *anything* should it?
19:20.52Zeksieno. and as i said before. it doesn't
19:21.00Zeksieit has to be embedded stuff
19:21.07Adysat the hundreds of whiners saying "wah wah the raids are too easy", same people who cant handle doing thaddius without an arrow addon
19:21.11GnarfozAdys: it's for seeing your own stack of the debuff. normal aura frames can't really differentiate it from the ~18 others.
19:21.19Zeksiewhen inactive, it has 2 events running. 1 to check vehicle and other to check zone
19:21.48Gnarfozand those are, obviously, events, which don't run but are triggered when something actually happens
19:21.56Gnarfozsoooo GHOST IN THE MACHINE! ahhhhhhhh
19:22.02durcynif i had to guess, i'd say some other addon is using MH's Babble-Zone
19:22.08durcynand it's getting blamed
19:22.17durcyn...though why you even need BZ for that is beyond me
19:22.37Gnarfozalso I would wonder how MH's BZ copy would be the first to be loaded
19:22.39durcynanyway, try it standalone.
19:23.03NeoTronZeksie: so there's an annoying issue with zomg - it doesn't care about (raid) pets
19:23.20Zeksiesure it does. it sends flowers
19:23.24Gnarfozyeah right ;) I'm just gonna do what I did before that run (which was only for profiling really): disable the addon unless I'm doing malygos :p
19:23.39Adys"The greater your view distance the more the server has to tell you about. Set the chat to Interactive will likely have the same effect. This could be a network config issue and your issue may be related to this problem."
19:23.52Gnarfoz...what
19:23.52Gnarfoz:D
19:23.56Adysi dont mind people acting like know-it-alls
19:24.00ZeksieGnarfoz: was gonna suggest that, disable the addon then see which other addon suddenly increases usage.
19:24.00Adysunless they dont know shit
19:24.20GnarfozZeksie: well, this would be hard to do with 150 addons. ;)
19:24.32NeoTronZeksie: it sends flowers to the pets? Seriouslt though, users of it say that it doesn't properly buff pets so I have to keep asking for them when the pet died
19:25.12Zeksiemmm. not had it not buffing for me. i'll check out later tho. about to run naxx tho. so gonna be semi afk from here mostly
19:25.52durcynAdys: wait, is he seriously implying that event traffic throttles based on the client's camera position
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19:26.01Adysdurcyn: yes.
19:26.10Adysno
19:26.20Adysi didnt read your message i just assumed you got it right
19:26.26durcynoh, view distance.
19:26.31durcynhe's still full of shit, though, amusing.
19:26.32Adyssee I have too much faith in people
19:26.46Adysalso, time to reboot x
19:26.49Adyssee you in a horu
19:26.51Adyshour..
19:32.11cog|workreading notalwaysright makes we want to own a store so i can be mean to stupid customers...
19:32.12mikmafoxlit: PING! move in the instance so you'll get Emblem
19:35.13sacarascAdys' quit message brings up a valid point
19:38.36ShirikMany innoculations are made with viruses
19:38.48ShirikSo one can argue mIRC can be a good thing if used right
19:39.04sacarascYou'd have to weaken it a lot, first
19:39.05Tekkubexcept that no one uses it "right"
19:39.23Shiriknbs-irc weakens it significantly and adds god-mode to it
19:39.37sacarascI doubt that a lot
19:39.56sacarascIf you can find a picture of Khaled somewhere in it, it's not been weakened enough
19:40.02Shirikhaha
19:40.09sacarascIf you can't hide your version totally, it's not been weakened enough
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19:40.38sacarascYou probably could there... I'll let you slide with that one
19:41.09Shirik^^ pro
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19:46.51LunessaThe Dude abides.
19:47.04LopeppeppyYa?
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19:49.22kd3damn it! why won't the candy bag let me eat on the bird?
19:49.39LopeppeppyYou'll get airsick and there's no paper baggies?
19:49.40Adysbecause the candy bag is mean
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19:54.33|pez|If Lunar festival ends tomorrow, is tomorrow considered the last day, or is the last day today? :p
19:55.00zenzelezzcheck your in-game calendar
19:55.02zenzelezzit says the time
19:57.39|pez|oh, spork, 6am.
20:00.56amroShirik: does that stand for noob's irc?
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20:03.04zenzelezzI've heard peopel call Shirik a lot of odd stuff, but Dreamweaver Demon?
20:03.15ShirikI don't think that was me
20:03.28zenzelezzwell gee captain Obvious
20:04.27LunessaDreamweaver - useful, but overly complex and eats screen real estate like a bus load of fat tourists at a vegas buffet.
20:04.39Lopeppeppy^
20:04.43|pez|Well, that's great. The world server is down now? >__>
20:05.15durcynyes, planet earth just crashed.
20:05.51Hirsutesomeone did "pants = nil" and initiated the apocalypse.
20:07.54LopeppeppyNom.
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20:11.34NightHawkTheSaneI am the king of nil pants!
20:17.17LunessaWait, Pants are a dangerous and wily foe. They must be nil'ed.
20:17.34Adyssome fail in trade chan
20:18.05Adys"PvP Player? Or just bored of PvE? <S S A D> is recruiting for BGs and Arenas (...) We have tabard and tank!"
20:18.10Adyswhat the hell do they need a tank for?
20:18.19LopeppeppyI think they meant bank.  *giggle*
20:18.30Adysoh
20:18.34Shirikhaha
20:18.38Adyswell thats still huge fail
20:19.00Adys~wowiquotes
20:19.01purlhttp://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes
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20:20.10Adyshttp://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes?ids=9#quote-9
20:20.14Adysdo you like it Shirik ?!
20:20.36AckisWorkhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12461-Broker_CPUMemory.html <-- author of that come on IRC at all?
20:20.50Shirik:P
20:22.11Adyswhatever zam is doing
20:22.16Adysthey need to sort their popup ads
20:22.17amro~seen mera
20:22.18purlmera <n=ecarlat@88.226.203-77.rev.gaoland.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #waruidev, 143d 6h 58m 33s ago, saying: 'back screen on minimize me'.
20:22.20Adysthis is the shit Im getting on wowhead
20:22.22Adyshttp://gr.celldorado.com/GR/ADS/74239208/index.php?trackid=376869247&clickid=000qvT0gWFTb1shtdl383119hgdtvd3f&tick=0&ce_cid=000qvT0gWFTb1shtdl383119hgdtvd3f
20:22.30Adyspopup.
20:22.33amroAckisWork: I guess that's a yes, but doens't help much
20:22.58AckisWorkamro: yah don't think that's the same person :P
20:23.09Adys~seen mera*
20:23.10purlAdys: i haven't seen 'mera*'
20:23.13Adysbah
20:23.44amro~seen tamere
20:23.45purlamro: i haven't seen 'tamere'
20:23.47ShirikAdys: popup ads?
20:23.51AdysShirik: yes
20:23.55Shirikwhere?
20:23.59Adyson wh
20:24.06Adysand wowuidev too, but less frequently
20:24.15Adysdunno about akz
20:24.31ShirikI don't see them :/
20:24.34ShirikAre you sure about this
20:24.48AdysShirik: actually no Im not sure
20:24.58ShirikYou are the only person I've seen report this, and they're definitely not supposed to be there
20:25.00AdysI may have opened firefox and decided to open a small window without a toolbar
20:25.02LopeppeppyI was getting annoying popups on notalwaysright the other day, very sad.
20:25.06Adyswhich i'd load on a random url
20:25.09Adyswhich would happen to be that ad
20:25.10ShirikAdys, sarcasm is not necessary
20:25.15ShirikThere are a million reasons popups can appear
20:25.21ShirikAnd not the site's fault
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20:25.29AdysIm not blaming the site
20:25.33AdysIm blaming the advertisers
20:25.39ShirikYou blamed Zam
20:25.42ShirikThat would be the site
20:25.44Shiriknot the advertiser
20:25.47[dRaCo]I'm getting those, too.
20:25.51Adysadvertising department i meant
20:25.56Adyswhoever is reponsible for it
20:26.12ShirikNow I'm trying to help you here; if you don't want my assistance then that's fine, but constant complaints aren't necessary if you don't want something done about it
20:26.15Adysanyway I wasnt trying to be an ass, just answering an useless question by an useless answer :P
20:26.28Adysyou see complaints where there arent any
20:26.30ShirikWe report it directly to the ad provider
20:27.06durcynadys is just being snarky and hip, man, this is the internet after all.
20:27.18Adysthat word is forbidden here
20:27.23durcynsnarky?
20:27.28Adysno, internet
20:29.09|pez|here's a question. If I intend to sneak my way into instances getting my last three elders. Do I need to ask the partyleader of a group that has cleared it, or is just a random member of the party enough?
20:29.34Hirsute|pez|: No idea, but you're doing it on a level 80 too, yes?
20:29.36Adysif the group disbanded its too late to ask anyone else but the leader
20:29.55zenzelezzonly the leader can invite you anyway, so might as well ask him ;)
20:30.01|pez|Hirsute: Yeah.
20:30.36HirsuteRegarding a recent upsurge in popups: http://www.denofgeek.com/misc/197946/geek_tech_why_your_popup_blocker_doesnt_work_as_well_as_it_used_to.html
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20:30.59|pez|zenzelezz: well, if the group had distanded and whatnot.
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20:34.05foxlitmeh, I don't get it
20:34.28foxlitAs soon as someone says "we bypass ad-blockers!" it's relatively simple to write something that'd block them
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20:40.01Shirikfoxlit: It's the old cat and mouse
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20:41.37selckinor, stop going to those site
20:44.19Adysvanilla wow looks kickass
20:44.32Adysreally regret blizz didnt improve it much
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20:44.53zenzelezzwhat do you mean, pre-expansion content?
20:44.55Adysyes
20:45.05zenzelezzyeah; I have to agree
20:45.19zenzelezzthe new stuff is good, but there is a charm to the old content
20:45.25Adysrunning through tanaris atm. feels like a real desert
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20:45.44LopeppeppyI always loved Feralas.
20:45.55Shirik" tables don't have the global "table" table as their metatable."
20:45.58Shirikthat hurt my head
20:46.00NeoTronbut man do some of the quests suck and almost universally all the quest rewards
20:46.15zenzelezzLopeppeppy: seconded
20:46.29Adyswho cares about the quests :P
20:46.30ShirikLopeppeppy: It's nice
20:46.39NeoTronone thing that is annoying in a way is how some zones are almost impossible to navigate in
20:46.40LopeppeppyI do remember when the cloth boots from out at the pier were a coveted piece of spellcaster gear.
20:46.40Adysgraphically
20:46.43NeoTronashenvale is especially bad
20:46.49LopeppeppyAshenvale bites it.
20:46.59Shirikwhy ashenvale is bad?
20:47.17NeoTronyou often have to take the long way around
20:47.22Shirikoh
20:47.25NeoTronmainly I{ just don't like questing there as alliance
20:47.28Adysazshara to
20:47.29Shirikyes
20:47.30Adystoo
20:47.38Shirikbut it looks nice
20:47.39NeoTronazshara is horrid for travel
20:47.42LopeppeppyThe graphics are so excessively similar that you can't figure out where you are, you always have to go around things, there's a lot that's off the road quite a ways with no paths, etc.
20:49.37Adysi want a "campaign mode" for wow
20:49.39Adysa la wc3
20:49.47Adysnot solo-mmo or something, but just
20:49.55Adysan overview of all the graphics and shiz
20:52.41Adysi think one of the big problems with how much people can enjoy wow is how much they've already seen in previous games or stories
20:55.27ShirikIma hungry
20:55.29ShirikPanera?
20:55.38Shirikor do I go to school
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20:56.23Thunder_Childi mean is there really a reason why setup.exe needs a whole core
20:56.28LopeppeppySchool with a PB&J sandwich.  Something heartier after school.
20:59.08Shirikschool with a pb&j sandwich?
20:59.11Shirikhuh?
21:00.46LopeppeppyIf it's a choice between school and eating, do both.  Take something with you, or stop at Panera and bring it with you.
21:01.56Shiriknono
21:02.00Shirikeat at school or eat somewhere else
21:02.06ShirikI don't have class today
21:03.19LopeppeppyOh.
21:03.37LopeppeppyEat somewhere else.  You spend way too much time on campus as it is.  If you have no other reason to go there... do anything BUT go there.  :)
21:03.51Shirikha
21:05.16LunessaYes, eat off campus.  Go some place and have a nice salad and a brewski.
21:06.26Shirikbrewski
21:07.01ShirikI don't think Panera sells alcoholic beverages
21:08.10LopeppeppyAnd I don't think you drink them anyway.
21:08.13durcynbring a hip flask, then, obviously.
21:08.15LopeppeppyWhy so stuck on Panera?
21:08.27Shirikpanera is good
21:08.41LopeppeppyOkie dokie.  Go there, but get something you've never had before, since you'll have time to study the menu.
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21:10.12Adystrade chan strikes again
21:10.19Adys"WTB Titanium Bars I will pay"
21:10.26Adyswell I'm glad he will actually pay
21:11.04Shiriklol
21:11.37selckinlike some guy asking asking for an enchant, you reply mats+20g, he says ok, trades you the mats, you ask for 20g, he says fuck off and hearthstones leaving you with mats
21:12.01Shirikhaha
21:12.03Shiriknice
21:12.06Lopeppeppy... idjit
21:14.37Thunder_Childwhats the point of having Shirik|Shower if you are not even going to use it....see you could free up space so you would not have to use Ecole at home
21:15.48Shirik|Showerhappy?
21:15.54Thunder_Childno, not really
21:16.03Shirik|Showerwell then you are unpleasable
21:16.07Thunder_Childyup
21:19.13Hirsuteselckin: That's awesome.
21:20.03Endwtf
21:20.28Endhuh
21:20.38EndI can turn in Junkboxes even though I'm no rogue
21:20.58durcynyep, i know a guy who actually farmed ravenholdt rep that way
21:21.07kd3that's the only way to get high up w/ ravenholdt for non-rogues
21:21.16durcynit's.. insane
21:21.21EndI didn't even know it was possible
21:21.28Adyshey
21:21.37Adysdont you go blaming on ravenholdt rep
21:21.39Adysits awesome
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21:27.49amroAdys: too bad they screwed it up :/
21:28.32Adysthey didnt make it worse
21:29.09Adysthey made it bearable content-wise
21:29.10amrothe followup  would have been better left a teaser
21:29.23amrohttp://www.wg2140.com/jokes/security.jpg
21:29.54Adysthats sick><
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21:34.31Dashkal(warning: vista).  Ok, this is new.  The launcher cannot access the internet and when I first triedt o patch by logging in it downloaded the update (actually the downloader) then went back to teh title screen.  Only by pouncing on the restart button did teh external downloader fire up.
21:34.36DashkalOh well, it's patching.  Bizarre
21:35.01Adysi like the (warning: vista)
21:35.06Adyscan you do the same for (warning: ati)?
21:35.34Dashkalheh, that laptop is in fact an ati card, but I'd be somewhat surprised if that were involved :p
21:35.44Adysi wouldnt be
21:36.45DashkalStrange that the launcher got blocked.  Turning off the firewall didn't help either *shrugs* I hate Vista
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21:40.53Adysi never realized
21:41.00Adysthose trash mobs in OS25, the drakonids
21:41.14Adysthey're... five times? the size of broodlord lashslayer
21:41.31Adysor lashlayer.. or something, forgot his name
21:41.43Arrowmasteranybody know if the mind vision trick still works?
21:41.50Adyswhich one?
21:42.01Arrowmasterthe adored debuff one
21:42.40Adyshu
21:43.25Gnarfozoh noes. hax!
21:43.30Gnarfoz/reported
21:44.04Adyswhat is it supposed to do?
21:46.34KalrothI'm guessing it gets pushed off or something
21:46.36Kalrothlike on Vael
21:47.47StanzillaArrowmaster: what trick?
21:47.59Arrowmasterwhat Kalroth said
21:48.04bleeterthis past week has been the first time live I've *seriously* played WG... you'd think they'd fix the more obvious glitches before 3.1 (if at all). The missing horde vendor's really starting to piss me off as it can't be that hard a fix (I refuse to beleive the terrain exploitation thing is a hard fix, too)
21:48.08Adysi guess its been hotfixed
21:48.09bleeterWG is teh fale
21:48.42durcyni believe the term is "frozen shithole"
21:48.49Arrowmasterdepends if they still have debuff priority on mind vision
21:49.00Arrowmasterthe only problem is finding enough priests to test it
21:49.03alestanebleeter: Terrain fixes probably do require a client-side fix, actually. Collision detection and positioning are all done client-side.
21:50.13NeoTronI believe the server side has a relatively 2D view of the world. at least I recall hearing something like that some time in the past
21:50.15bleeteralestane: indeed, but I fail to see 'big vehicle should not pass through tiny hole' would require months of work (as it's been months since release)
21:50.44bleetercertainly putting a singular NPC on the field can't take months
21:51.08alestaneAssuming, of course, that someone has been able to make that their first priority.
21:51.48bleeterI would've thought any of the big-ticket advertised items in Wrath that aren't working properly, would be a priority
21:52.00bleeterbut then again... Blizz like advertising broken shit as being world class etc.
21:52.02kd3wahahaha
21:52.06bleeterindustry standard
21:52.08bleeteretc.
21:52.44Adyskd3: http://www.wowwiki.com/Wine/nVidia (for the record)
21:53.08Adysand needs some updates too ><
21:55.44bleeterAdys: funnny you should mention that, I was gunna try git radeonhd again sometime on the next few days
21:55.51AdysDONT
21:55.53AdysFOR THE LOVE OF GOD DONT
21:56.02Adysati is pretty bad
21:56.14bleeterI was reading the phronix 'review' the other day that had it out performing the catalyst stuff in a bunch of areas
21:56.29Adysdude whoever has been telling you that is saying bs
21:56.43Adysati has very good performances, yes
21:56.46Adysbut it DOESNT WORK
21:56.47kd3yay! got an alliance gift collection
21:56.54kd3about damn time
21:56.58Adysits like a sports car you cant start
21:57.08zenzelezzAdys: just let him try it and I'm sure he'll find out whether or not it works
21:57.10Adys.. that explodes when you actually do start it
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21:57.38Adyssec
21:59.10bleeterAdys: at least when I use itoh, nm, was an old article
21:59.24bleeterstill, atomdis looks like a bucket of fun :)
21:59.35Adys><
22:00.21bleeter'n when watching movies embedded in a Flash player last night, the hd did a lot better than 'original'
22:05.35bleeterand wtf is with 'the ice shard has melted' crap?
22:05.42bleetermisummer gone crazy?
22:05.53EndI think so
22:06.15bleetermind you ain't seen it this morn, was driving me crazy last night
22:07.30Arrowmasterwtf there are npcs doing /cower in org
22:07.51Arrowmasterand i didnt see a 58 deathknight anywhere
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22:09.11mikmahttp://kuvaton.com/bshit/8f0309c9ddca59ee43f50cfa3587ad4b.gif
22:09.12NeoTronthey are extra sensitive now
22:09.17mikmaMUHAHAhahahaaaa
22:09.28Adyswee got sarth's 22slotter
22:09.43EndI got sarth's 22slotter and put it in my bank
22:09.47Enddoes that make me a bad person?
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22:10.13NeoTronI did too since I already have 4x22 on my person
22:10.14Shirikmikma,you find the strangest things
22:10.24NeoTrongetting to a point now though when everyone has the bag
22:10.25mikmashirik: kuvaton.com
22:10.30ShirikI know
22:10.32EndI might feel bad if it wasn't unique, but since ...yeah
22:10.42Endthe bag is easy to get
22:10.44Shirikbut you're always in the bshit area
22:10.48Endwith a little rng
22:12.03mikmacairenn|afk: gz on the official fansite -status
22:13.42Shirikuh
22:13.45Shirikfor wowi?
22:13.48mikmaya
22:13.59Shirikuh...
22:14.11mikmayeeeeeees?
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22:14.16Shirikwe've been a fansite for like
22:14.22Shirikyears probably
22:14.35mikmacool. it haven't been on the first page for .. years ;)
22:14.40ShirikI think it has :/
22:14.51mikmadunno
22:14.58Shirikoh you know what I think it got replaced with "Blizzard is recruiting" for a while
22:15.07mikmajust noticed it under the addonlist in community.pjp
22:15.08mikmaphp*
22:15.58Arrowmasteri think something is broken, peddlefeet says nobody has turned in a gift collection on my server
22:16.30Adyssame on mine
22:16.41Shirikbut thanks mikma ^_^
22:17.27*** join/#wowuidev Pizik_ (n=Blank@planeshift/gamemaster/Pizik)
22:19.22ShirikIs there a POSIX equivalent to timex() (times a function's execution)
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22:31.56NightHawkTheSanehttp://www.overheardintheoffice.com/archives/008512.html
22:32.01bleeterShirik: not that immediately springs to mind (or google search, for that matter)... may have something to do with only being on one coffee so far today, but I doubt it
22:33.25ShirikNightHawkTheSane: I would like to know how that was "overheard" if it was a phone conversation
22:33.31Shiriknm
22:33.33Shirikirstupid
22:33.44NightHawkTheSaneyep
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22:39.04ShirikSomeone mind explaining this to me?
22:39.04bleetersure
22:39.04bleeterwhen a man really loves a woman
22:39.04bleeteror
22:39.04Shiriktop says: Swap:  281524k used
22:39.04bleeterwhen a woman really loves a man....
22:39.04bleeteror...
22:39.04ShirikIt also says
22:39.05bleeteroh not that
22:39.05ShirikSwap:  410m java
22:39.05Cidanlolol
22:39.05CidanJava is fail, D:
22:39.05bleeter^^
22:39.05Shirikthat's not really the point
22:39.07Shirikhow can java be using 410m swap if only 281m are used
22:39.14CidanBecause it's Java
22:39.16Cidanit does that
22:39.19Shirikit haxed the os?
22:39.21CidanIf it could, it would eat your first born.
22:39.32NeoTronShirik: it allocates address space without using the memory
22:39.33durcynuh, since when does top show individual processes under swap
22:39.42Cidanhtop
22:39.43Cidanftw
22:39.47Shirikdurcyn: f, p
22:40.12bleetersince someone got hold of the source
22:40.14bleeterTEH HORRORZ
22:40.25ShirikFirst 3 lines in top:
22:40.32durcynshows how much time i spend with top
22:40.33Shirik410m swap, java
22:40.37bleeteryeah, allocated without usage
22:40.39Shirik110m swap, java
22:40.41bleeterstupid java
22:40.44Shirik108m swap, mysql
22:40.50ShirikJava should not take up more memory than a database
22:40.51Shirikever
22:41.00CidanIt's Jaavvaa
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22:41.03CidanWhat do you expect?
22:41.05kd3when does java ever not use more ram than god?
22:41.16Shiriklol
22:42.24Cidank so
22:42.33NeoTronnormally on linux memory is reserved for use without being actually allocated.. java just likes to hog it all up
22:42.34CidanI was on my way into Elizabeth Arden for a haircut
22:42.41Shirikfisheye is destroying my server
22:42.41Cidanyes, I get my hair cut at a salon, deal with it
22:42.50Cidanand my phone tells me I have an e-mail
22:42.51CidanI check
22:42.55ShirikI used to
22:43.00Shirikwhen I had highlights
22:43.04Shirikgo ahead, laugh
22:43.07Cidan"Your credit card has gone below 25% of its limit"
22:43.09CidanI was like
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22:43.12CidanUhm.
22:43.13CidanNo.
22:43.27CidanTurns out someone stole my credit card number, ran up almost 15k worth of charges.
22:43.33Shirikow
22:43.34bleeterThe Ice Stone has melted ...
22:43.35Cidana card I haven't used in 2 years.
22:43.38bleeter... The Ashbringer
22:43.40mikmableeter: ORLY?
22:43.44ShirikCidan, bank of america
22:43.47Cidanno
22:43.48CidanChase.
22:43.50Shirikthey're putting securid tags on cards now
22:43.53Cidanoh?
22:43.55Shirikyes
22:43.57CidanThat is neat.
22:43.59CidanI use BoA
22:44.01Cidanthey are my main bank
22:44.02Cairenn|afkCidan: eeep!!!
22:44.02ShirikI had to get one not because I needed it but because it's awesome
22:44.03CidanI have like
22:44.07Cidan7 accounts with them
22:44.15Shirikit has an LCD
22:44.16Shirikon the card
22:44.19Shirikthat's just awesome
22:44.20CidanThat's so bad ass.
22:44.23CidanCairenn|afk: I know, D:
22:44.54Cairenn|afkand they didn't flag it as suspicious and put a stop on it?
22:45.01Cidannope
22:45.06Cairenn|afksorry, don't think much of your bank
22:45.11CidanChase, eh, yeah.
22:45.27CidanIt's all good, I made them do a charge back
22:45.29bleetermikma: STROO!
22:45.37kd3oh wow, fail
22:45.39Cairenn|afkCidan: well, that's something at least
22:45.42kd3peddlefeet's still listing bolvar
22:45.42Cairenn|afkbut still
22:46.01ShirikNow if only they can implement a challenge-auth card scheme
22:46.12ShirikI bet I could make money off that idea
22:46.21Shirikeach card gets its own private key
22:46.24bleeterShirik: it's only ever any good if they allow you to use your response multiple times
22:46.26CidanThen do it?
22:46.29bleeter'coz that's world's best practice
22:46.38Shirik~lart bleeter
22:46.38purlwhips bleeter with a wet and grimy noodle just because
22:46.44bleeterwhoa
22:46.50Cidankinda sick
22:46.52CidanI like it.
22:46.54bleeteri'm aroused now, with Shirik and his wet and grimy noodle
22:47.02Shirikit was purl's not mine
22:47.09Shirikand Cidan: I'm just a kid I can't do anything :P
22:47.16bleeterShirik: you know you want it
22:47.18Cairenn|afkmikma: Ummm, we were the very first fansite for WoW.  We were _invited_ to be one, while it was still in the original closed beta.
22:47.37bleeterCairenn|afk: face it, you're over the hill and on the old age pension :P
22:47.46Cairenn|afkand the fact we're a fansite has been on the front page of the site since day 1
22:47.50Cairenn|afkbleeter: :p
22:47.51CidanShirik: What?
22:47.55CidanShirik: You can do plenty.
22:47.58Cairenn|afkbleeter: nice to hear from you, been worrying
22:48.21Shirikbeb
22:48.24Shirikbrb
22:48.36Cidanokey
22:48.37Cidanokay
22:49.18bleeterCairenn|afk: wrong state, I'm the island to the south ;)
22:49.30Cairenn|afkbleeter: right, always forget that
22:49.35Cairenn|afksowwy
22:49.52CidanI feel sad though.
22:50.09CidanSomeone called me "sir" for the first time today, as in, an younger person calling someone older than them "sir"
22:50.56bleeterCidan: heh, I remember the first time that happened to me. SOme kid being told off by their parent 'Don't annoy the man' and kid goes 'Sorry sir' I was "WTF?! Shit, I'm old!"
22:51.10Cidanhehehehe
22:51.28bleeterworst bit was I was only 17 or 18 at the time :/
22:51.31ConsiteI feel old when I'm not asked to present my ID when buying alcohol.
22:51.34CidanI'm only 26, D:
22:51.50bleeterfirst time I ever got asked for ID was the night of my 18th
22:52.20bleeterCairenn|afk: sokay.. i keep forgetting your nationality/location, too ;)
22:53.01Cairenn|afk:p
22:53.02CidanShe comes from Northerend.
22:54.07CidanOh come on
22:54.11CidanThat was a little clever.
22:54.24CidanNot even a chuckle?
22:54.28ConsiteSorry, I was laughing too hard to type.
22:54.33CidanLies.
22:54.34CidanD:
22:54.44Thunder_Child~lart Cidan
22:54.44purlsends a legion of lawyers after Cidan's head
22:55.52Thunder_Childhmm...i'm already 77 and i am just starting grizzly hills....major bank when i hit 80
22:56.11bleeterThunder_Child: happened on all my rested toons
22:56.37Thunder_Childwhich is good since i still dont have epic flying >.<
22:56.53bleeterfriend of mine's hitting 75/6 in Dragonblight. He bled Outlands for as much XP and rested stuff as possible.
22:58.04bleeterThunder_Child: don't make my mistake. so eager to get epic flying forgot I needed another 1000g for cold weather flying on one toon lol
22:58.24Thunder_Childhavent forgoten
22:58.37Thunder_Childi still need ~4k more :(
22:58.39Thunder_Childi is poor
22:58.53bleeteronce you get the level cap, the XP<>Gold conversion's good
22:59.09ConsiteIt's easier to afford stuff if you only really play one character!
22:59.14bleeterquite a few of the dailies are also doable with eyes closed so won't take that long for you to get the gold
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22:59.22Thunder_Childya, one reason why i am doing all of the zones in lvl order regardless of char lvl
23:00.28kd3oh wow. haven't had that happen in a while. it's raining so hard I've lost satellite service
23:00.46kd3yay rain
23:05.34cog|work~lart forum search
23:05.34purlflings poo at forum search
23:05.39cog|workkd3: srsly
23:09.34bleeteror fuckit just replace blizz search with google hehe
23:09.44bleeterprolly easier and more productive
23:11.24cog|workcan't search character ids with google
23:11.41cog|worki can't even get "find posts by this user" to work right now
23:12.07cog|works/"find posts by this user"/the forums/
23:12.08cog|workO.o
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23:18.06devZerodoes anyone else have the problem with wowwiki just showing a while page? This happens quite oten
23:18.15devZerowhite**
23:18.25Cidanno
23:18.39devZeroit's driving me insane, sometimes I have to request the page 10 or more times
23:18.51devZeromultiple computers, multiple connections
23:19.01LopeppeppyBad connection through your ISP?
23:19.10bleeterhmmm new tools
23:19.35devZeronah, I've tried multiple locations.. my house, the cofee house down the road, my in laws
23:19.43bleeterstill opens IE.. FALE
23:19.43OsirisTI can no longer get my mods to update from the curse client..  but then that is because they have not made a new client for the Mac yet
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23:20.06bleeterdevZero: have you asked around in #wowwiki?
23:20.14LopeppeppyYay, got my last tax document.
23:20.21devZerobleeter: no, but I'll be sure to do that, thanks
23:20.36devZeroanyone know where to finda good doc on how to create a minimap button?
23:20.50Cidanwowwiki
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23:21.02cog|workdevZero: it's just a button attached to the minimap...
23:21.08devZerowowwiki doesn't have anything that I see in the Widget API section, it's all incomplete
23:21.20Cidanlisten to the master cog
23:21.22CidanHe speaks the truth
23:21.25Cidanjust make a butotn
23:21.36devZerocog|work: I've not worked w/ interface objects yet.. only lua data interactions
23:21.43cog|workah
23:21.56Cidanwell, lucky for you, you can use lua to create interface objects!
23:22.58Cidanand bake pie
23:24.30devZeroI like pie
23:24.33CodayusMmm, pie.
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23:24.41devZero.. and cake
23:24.45devZeroi looooooooooooooooooooooooooove cake
23:24.52cog|workpie*
23:24.58CodayusPecan pie > *
23:25.00CodayusDiscuss.
23:25.24CodayusWell, good pecan pie.
23:26.05devZerothis Tunderbluff gift is eluding me
23:26.12devZero3 times now, no gift
23:27.58bleeterFECK OFF, CUP!
23:28.03Cidanwhat.,
23:28.05Cidanwhat even.
23:28.45LopeppeppyI have... um.... water.
23:28.47LopeppeppyWater.
23:28.48Lopeppeppydiscuss?
23:28.55bleeter'i love cake' -> little britain... 'feck off, cup!' -> father ted
23:29.00bleeterno?
23:29.07bleeterfather ted > little britain :P
23:29.29bleeter'Are you sure you don't want some cake, father? It's got cocaine in it!'
23:29.31bleeter'What??'
23:29.38bleeter'What am I like.. I mean.. raisins'
23:29.45bleeterand
23:29.54bleeter'What would you say to a nice cup of tea, father?'
23:29.57bleeter'FECK OFF, CUP!'
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23:35.38bleeterand now for something totally nerdy
23:35.39bleeterhttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5grGfFhzFgjxK46MQHTwD1RgRUwCAD969LBLO1
23:35.54bleeterfirst ever collision of sattelites
23:36.11bleeterthough why the map on that article shows florida.... /shrug
23:36.42NightHawkTheSanehttp://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/02/11/the_greatest_news_report_you_w
23:39.49bleeterkd3: thanks for the _Cursor tip. Cute :)
23:40.09kd3though I think the 3.0.9 patch fixed it...
23:40.12kd3but cursor still rocks
23:40.53ZorbaTHuthey guys, does anyone know if the ice stone is still intact
23:40.59ZorbaTHutI've been worried that it might melt, but it's probably okay
23:41.04ZorbaTHuthas anyone heard anything about it
23:41.26NightHawkTheSane~lart ZorbaTHut
23:41.26purlexplains, ever so gently, that if ZorbaTHut doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help
23:41.45NeoTronhow appropriate
23:41.55bleeterThe Ashbringer crits Ice Stone for over 9000! Madness!
23:44.14[dRaCo]So, where's the addon that gets rid of this annoying message?
23:44.45bleeter[dRaCo]: no addon, it's a macro. /quit ;)
23:45.03[dRaCo]but, but... I need to level my moonkin alt!
23:45.19bleeterminor details :P
23:46.38bleeter[dRaCo]: honestly, though.. to get rid of the message you need more Vespene gas
23:46.51LunessaZOMG mai qwzt hpr dun work an my ice ston iz melting
23:47.06Lunessawut 2 do?
23:47.12LopeppeppyWhat the HELL are you on about?
23:47.16bleeterrerd nage!
23:47.31bleeterLopeppeppy: some random global emote that appears to be a bug related to Love Is In The Air event
23:47.32Endpacefalm
23:47.36Thunder_Child[03:33] The Ice Stone has melted!
23:50.13LunessaSpawn more Overlords.
23:53.32Thunder_Childi spawned an overlord this morning but it went away when i flushed
23:54.26LunessaThat's not an overlord, that's an underfiend.
23:57.21cog|workwtf... people are blaming the australian fire on abortion laws...

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