| 00:00.00 | Shirik | if the first and third are up, you're going to have problems |
| 00:01.50 | Lunessa | *nod* I've mostly been pugging all my raid time, so ... not really getting any of the 'tricky' fights. |
| 00:03.41 | alestane | Shirik: Since that was my windows partition, whenever I tried to boot Windows, it restarted the boot loader. |
| 00:03.50 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 00:05.04 | Tem | Shirik, and you guys succeed that way? |
| 00:05.10 | Shirik | yeah why? |
| 00:05.27 | Shirik | we still kill the other 2 |
| 00:05.41 | Shirik | just saying the most important part to us is getting the first down before the third lands |
| 00:05.46 | Shirik | then kill the second then the third then sarth |
| 00:08.03 | NeoTron | Shirik: IMHO the 2nd+3rd is by far the hardest |
| 00:08.32 | Shirik | meh |
| 00:08.34 | NeoTron | killing the first is a good start but frankly also when it starts getting to be hard |
| 00:08.43 | Shirik | we don't have prolbems |
| 00:08.51 | NeoTron | 25m? |
| 00:08.56 | Shirik | both |
| 00:09.07 | NeoTron | still haven't gotten 10m down and it's very frustrating |
| 00:09.10 | NeoTron | spent a lot of time in there |
| 00:09.27 | Shirik | not to pat myself on the back here or anything |
| 00:09.42 | Shirik | but we have some of the, if not the, best healers on the server |
| 00:09.46 | NeoTron | we're going to try 3/3/4 setup this coming week probably |
| 00:10.42 | Tem | Shirik, what I was going to say, before I was distracted, is that the only way you can pull off 3d sarth with such low dps (particularly in 10 man) is with exceptional healers |
| 00:12.01 | NeoTron | with 3/2/5 we just can't seem to get the healing done |
| 00:12.20 | NeoTron | even with an elemental as the 5th healing after 2nd one is down |
| 00:18.27 | Ackis | anyone get graphics card issues with OS? |
| 00:19.36 | NeoTron | not me |
| 00:19.47 | Lunessa | Not issues so much as "NEED MOAR POWAH!" |
| 00:23.26 | Ackis | I get graphics card driver has stoppped responding, vista has restarted it errors |
| 00:23.55 | NightHawkTheSane | what the FUCK? http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/02/09/lunchtime_quickie |
| 00:24.17 | NightHawkTheSane | also, maple bacon ice cream: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/02/09/today_in_bacon |
| 00:25.26 | yabo | how do i retrieve the length of a table? |
| 00:25.45 | Lunessa | Ackis: Are you using an ATI card? |
| 00:25.47 | NightHawkTheSane | voodoo and virgin sacrifices |
| 00:25.48 | yabo | t = {"a","b","c"} |
| 00:27.25 | Ackis | Lunessa: nvidia something GT something ultra |
| 00:27.48 | alestane | yabo: In that case, #t. |
| 00:27.49 | Lunessa | Ackis: How's cooling in your machine? |
| 00:28.12 | Ackis | 8 inch fan, 4 or 5 5 inch fans, and a big fan or two on the card itself |
| 00:28.28 | kd3 | an 8-inch fan!? |
| 00:28.29 | Ackis | it only occurs in OS though |
| 00:28.35 | Ackis | kd3: yah on the top of the case |
| 00:28.57 | Lunessa | Holy crap man... are cooling or trying to get fucking airborn? |
| 00:29.10 | Ackis | I fart a lot |
| 00:29.12 | kd3 | I... I don't think my case is big enough for an 8" on top... maybe on one of the sides |
| 00:29.35 | Ackis | eh it's 200 mm |
| 00:29.48 | Ackis | 200 mm = 20cm, 2.54 cm per inch |
| 00:29.56 | Lunessa | Ackis: I was thinking the issue might have been heat, but it is likely a shader issue - I'd try newer drivers. |
| 00:30.06 | Ackis | so yah it's 8 inches |
| 00:30.10 | Ackis | http://www.b-com.ca/product.php?productid=218910&page=1 |
| 00:30.21 | Ackis | Lunessa: yah not a cooling issue, latest drivers as well |
| 00:31.15 | Lunessa | I was getting all sorts of hell under vista from my ATI card, but the latest driver revs solved it. my nVidia cards were just fine. |
| 00:33.27 | Ackis | eh another driver update... I has 181.20 and newest is 181.22 lol |
| 00:33.27 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: February 9th, 2009 4:30pm PSTWe will be performing maintenance for all realms on Tuesday, February 10th. The downtime will begin at 3:00am PST and end at approximately 11:00am PST.Thank you,Blizzard Entertainment |
| 00:33.28 | Shiibot | February 3rd, 2009 9:15pm PST |
| 00:33.28 | Shiibot | We are now offering free character moves from select high population PvP realms. These moves are scheduled to end Tuesday, February 10, at 8:00 PM PST provided our transfer goals are not reached prior to this time. We recommend to anyone who wishes to use the free character move system to do so at your earliest convenience. |
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| 00:50.38 | WobWork | =\ |
| 00:50.39 | WobWork | http://pics.livejournal.com/futureperfect/pic/000wtayg |
| 00:53.52 | WobWork | 173 dead =( |
| 00:55.00 | Cairenn | and still climbing ... thank you for pinging, I've been trying to get your attention all afternoon |
| 00:55.23 | Cairenn | you anywhere close? |
| 00:55.39 | WobWork | no |
| 00:55.45 | Cairenn | thank goodness |
| 00:56.07 | WobWork | Sorry Cair, what did you need? |
| 00:56.19 | Cairenn | any idea where bleeter &/or norgs are located? (I see bleeter in channel, so not quite so worried about him) |
| 00:56.26 | Cairenn | just to know you are okay :) |
| 00:56.50 | WobWork | I'm well out of state from the fires |
| 00:56.57 | WobWork | I'm not sure where Norg resides =\ |
| 00:57.19 | WobWork | And knowing bleeter, he'd probably connect via mobile anyway =) |
| 00:57.26 | Cairenn | heh |
| 00:58.11 | WobWork | If he wasn't cloaked, I'd try to find his isp |
| 00:58.25 | Cairenn | (2009-02-09 15:41:23) Fisker-: Cairenn if their house was burned down i'm pretty sure they would've pinged out by now |
| 00:58.25 | Cairenn | (2009-02-09 15:41:50) Cairenn: Fisker-: doesn't mean they aren't signing in via laptops in a shelter somewhere :p |
| 00:58.37 | WobWork | It's true |
| 00:58.45 | WobWork | I'd grab my eeepc and run |
| 00:58.53 | Cairenn | (that ^^ is why I chuckled when you said he'd probably connect via mobile) |
| 00:59.08 | WobWork | We're so terribly technology dependant =P |
| 00:59.47 | Cairenn | well, I certainly appreciate that everyone is - means I can have a hope of hearing from all of my friends that they are okay |
| 01:00.15 | KarlKFI | awww cute khuala |
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| 01:00.46 | WobWork | I think the trees are going to be the only things that actually get better after this one =\ |
| 01:00.58 | Cairenn | yeah =/ |
| 01:01.33 | KarlKFI | That's gonna be my new anti-water bottle campaign photo. |
| 01:01.57 | Cairenn | they still thinking that at least some of them are the work of arsonists, WobWork? |
| 01:02.07 | kd3 | hm... potus speaking |
| 01:02.09 | KarlKFI | The planet is sooo spoiled even Khula's are refusing to drink out of the river. |
| 01:02.21 | KarlKFI | Koalas* |
| 01:02.31 | WobWork | yeah >=( |
| 01:02.40 | Thunder_Child | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 01:03.02 | WobWork | A lot of them are natural |
| 01:03.08 | Cairenn | just absolutely can not fathom how anyone can start wild fires ... just ... what the hell is wrong with them? |
| 01:03.17 | WobWork | but to actually start a fire... |
| 01:03.27 | Cairenn | aye |
| 01:03.30 | Thunder_Child | i can not stand 1 hours phone calls |
| 01:03.41 | Thunder_Child | s/rs/r/ |
| 01:04.16 | Lunessa | srsly |
| 01:05.01 | WobWork | "Burns is trying to fathom the news and reports from friends of a firestorm that took "30 minutes to travel 50 kilometres" at one point. |
| 01:05.02 | WobWork | "One guy saw a whole hill explode in front of him, like a bomb," he said." |
| 01:05.53 | KarlKFI | rotting methane producing underbrush? |
| 01:06.16 | WobWork | Nah, Eucalyptus trees most likely |
| 01:06.29 | KarlKFI | they explode? |
| 01:06.36 | WobWork | When heated enough, aye |
| 01:06.41 | WobWork | This is Australia |
| 01:06.42 | KarlKFI | nifty |
| 01:06.52 | ajmitch | record heatwaves + long droughts are not nice |
| 01:06.55 | WobWork | did you expect our flora to be any safer than the fauna? |
| 01:07.24 | KarlKFI | need more koalas and less dangerous roos imo |
| 01:08.49 | WobWork | Koalas only eat eucalyptus leaves |
| 01:08.51 | KarlKFI | porcupines are cute, but we can replace them with hedgehogs, right? |
| 01:09.01 | WobWork | Echidnas? =) |
| 01:09.09 | laeg | so many addons, so little time |
| 01:09.26 | WobWork | So, technically, Koalas are like mobile stills |
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| 01:09.42 | KarlKFI | Echidnas are pretty cute too |
| 01:11.09 | WobWork | Cairenn: I think Norgs is from Brisbane |
| 01:11.15 | mikma | wobwork: is the whole australia burned down yet? :O |
| 01:11.34 | Cairenn | WobWork: hmmm, I think you are right |
| 01:11.36 | WobWork | Just the bottom right corner |
| 01:11.41 | Cairenn | that sounds familiar to me |
| 01:11.45 | mikma | wobwork: is that the useless part? |
| 01:11.55 | WobWork | It had some really nice coffee |
| 01:11.58 | KarlKFI | world needs more Monotreme's anyway |
| 01:12.05 | WobWork | The useless part is Canberrra |
| 01:12.08 | WobWork | where all the politicians are |
| 01:12.39 | Cairenn | WobWork: what is QLD short for? Queensland? |
| 01:12.49 | WobWork | aye |
| 01:12.55 | Cairenn | that's where Norgs is |
| 01:13.01 | WobWork | North of me =) |
| 01:13.01 | kd3 | c'mon, damned "Additional instances cannot be launched, please try again later." message |
| 01:13.02 | kd3 | lemme iN! |
| 01:13.09 | mikma | kd3: hate that crap :( |
| 01:13.14 | WobWork | kd3: check in the stable =P |
| 01:13.21 | mikma | wow, cairenn works fast today |
| 01:13.32 | mikma | 2 minutes from upload and it's approved |
| 01:13.33 | Cairenn | mikma: :) |
| 01:13.41 | Cairenn | that's the usual, if I'm at keys |
| 01:14.32 | WobWork | Is it patch this week? |
| 01:14.38 | KarlKFI | you just hugged a dead demon burried int he ocean |
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| 01:14.57 | Sargeras | maybe, but it was worth it |
| 01:15.07 | kd3 | wob; likely |
| 01:15.08 | Cairenn | I'm hearing rumours of 3.0.8 tomorrow,. can't confirm though |
| 01:15.24 | alestane | 3.0.8 is live. |
| 01:15.26 | KarlKFI | didn't we already have 3.0.8? |
| 01:15.32 | Cairenn | err, typo, .9 |
| 01:15.40 | mikma | uh? |
| 01:15.40 | laeg | hmm the curse client was working under wine on ubuntu when i first installed it but then stopped after a reboot |
| 01:15.51 | laeg | does WoW need to be closed for the program to even open or something? |
| 01:16.06 | KarlKFI | "The duration on all Seals has been increased to 30 minutes and can no longer dispelled. " wtf? |
| 01:16.09 | kd3 | laeg; it'll go to the tray if it sees wow running |
| 01:17.07 | mikma | WEW! no dk nerfs! |
| 01:18.09 | KarlKFI | yeah looks liek mostly arena ballence changes |
| 01:18.41 | KarlKFI | Curse of Tongues nurf |
| 01:18.54 | kd3 | and ap+pom+pyro |
| 01:18.55 | kd3 | </3 |
| 01:19.32 | mikma | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 01:19.43 | KarlKFI | owned |
| 01:20.14 | Tekkub | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/sony_releases_new_stupid_piece_of?utm_source=onion_rss_daily |
| 01:21.55 | laeg | kd3: it was, not going to the tray, just comes up in the panel "starting.." then vanishes after a few seconds |
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| 01:34.19 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/hair4.jpg |
| 01:35.14 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/alright_meow_cat.jpg |
| 01:35.56 | WobWork | hehe |
| 01:35.56 | WobWork | Fixed an issue where players using nVidia 3D glasses were unable to see spell cooldowns. |
| 01:35.58 | WobWork | crazy |
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| 01:38.05 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/kitties-will-puke.jpg |
| 01:38.15 | mikma | tekkub: --------------^ |
| 01:38.37 | Tekkub | dude |
| 01:39.02 | Tekkub | I had this dream last night that there was this big cat puke swear on our bedroom floor |
| 01:39.22 | WobWork | is the swear after you stepped in it? |
| 01:39.40 | Tekkub | no that was the whole dream |
| 01:44.50 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/1234021873493.jpg HAHAHAHAHA |
| 01:46.06 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=6125 <- must have item |
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| 02:04.18 | WobWork | Cairenn|afk: http://pics.livejournal.com/futureperfect/pic/000wqyqx |
| 02:07.08 | Olison | awwww |
| 02:08.52 | Lunessa | http://blog.wired.com/cars/2009/02/psst-hey-buddy.html |
| 02:09.57 | WobWork | Cairenn|afk: http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5037290-5014156-10,00.html <-- It really shows how bad the koalas are getting =\ |
| 02:10.02 | WobWork | Olison: ^ |
| 02:13.04 | Shirik | WobWork: Too many koalas? |
| 02:13.23 | WobWork | Too much fire =( |
| 02:13.45 | Shirik | ah |
| 02:13.47 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:24.42 | Lunessa | âFat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.â |
| 02:38.27 | Tem | Shirik, ping |
| 02:38.55 | Shirik | Tem: pong |
| 02:39.02 | Tem | on sarth 3d |
| 02:39.09 | Tem | who picks up shadron when tene is still alive? |
| 02:39.15 | Shirik | give me numbers |
| 02:39.25 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:39.26 | Shirik | irrelevant |
| 02:39.32 | Shirik | tank multiple dragons at the same time |
| 02:39.41 | Shirik | drakes |
| 02:39.42 | Shirik | whatever |
| 02:42.00 | Tem | okay, just making sure |
| 02:48.59 | Tem | hahahahaha |
| 02:49.18 | Tem | we just oneshotted 2 drake |
| 02:49.30 | Syzgyn | Nice |
| 02:49.36 | Tem | after getting used to 3d, it was amazingly simple |
| 02:50.03 | Syzgyn | yeah, having that extra minute or so between drakes makes it stupid easy |
| 02:50.11 | Tem | we're really not geared for 3d |
| 02:50.17 | Tem | mostly just doing it to throw our apps in the fire |
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| 03:57.36 | cloudwolf | if i have a table in a table i would call something from it with something along the lines of Table[bob][1]? or would it be table[bob[1]] |
| 03:57.52 | Shirik | table[bob][1] |
| 03:57.53 | Shirik | well |
| 03:57.57 | Shirik | table[bob[1]] is also valid |
| 03:57.59 | Hirsute | Question: Is it possible to generate a link for an item in-game if you know only the itemID? |
| 03:57.59 | Shirik | depends on what you want to do |
| 03:58.06 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:58.23 | Shirik | 2nd return of GetItemInfo |
| 03:58.49 | Hirsute | Ah. And if GetItemInfo returns nil for that itemID, then you can't generate a link for it, correct? |
| 03:58.55 | Shirik | uh |
| 03:59.00 | Shirik | I guess |
| 03:59.02 | cloudwolf | you said depends on what i want to do? what differences are between the two ways to call it? |
| 03:59.14 | Hirsute | GetItemInfo returns nil for things that aren't in your cache. |
| 03:59.29 | Shirik | lua> t = {foo = true}; z = {[1] = "foo |
| 03:59.30 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 03:59.34 | Hirsute | That answered my question, though, so thanks Shirik! |
| 03:59.41 | Shirik | lua> t = {foo = true}; z = {[1] = "foo"}; print(t[z[1]]) |
| 03:59.42 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 04:00.06 | Shirik | lua> t = {foo = {[1] = "bar"}; print(t["foo"][1]) |
| 04:00.07 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: '}' expected near '<eof>' |
| 04:00.13 | Shirik | lua> t = {foo = {[1] = "bar"}}; print(t["foo"][1]) |
| 04:00.13 | lua_bot | Shirik: bar |
| 04:00.17 | Shirik | The two choices ^ |
| 04:01.00 | cloudwolf | ok so table[subtable][valoranem] is what i want |
| 04:01.34 | mikma | http://www.bbqaddicts.com/bacon-explosion.html |
| 04:01.45 | cloudwolf | seen it makes my arteries clogg just looking at it |
| 04:02.54 | Torhal | mikma: I'm surprised Tekkub isn't drooling all over the channel. |
| 04:03.14 | mikma | i think i linked it to him earlier |
| 04:03.56 | Torhal | Ah |
| 04:04.31 | Thunder_Child | that thing has been linked in here a lot |
| 04:04.37 | mikma | tekkub: did i? |
| 04:04.40 | Thunder_Child | first time was over a month ago |
| 04:10.06 | Lunessa | Bacon Explosion... It's a channel favorite. |
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| 04:15.45 | Tekkub | was watching zach and miri :P |
| 04:15.57 | Tekkub | zach was cute except the little part where he shaved |
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| 04:17.14 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Tekkub |
| 04:17.14 | purl | Tekkub, you Fail! |
| 04:17.52 | Lunessa | Meh, we all know Tekky likes 'em with some meat and hair on their bones. |
| 04:17.54 | cog|away | anyone want to ping me if you know who antonio lobato is? he's in my facebook and google contacts but i have nothing to connect him with a nick >< |
| 04:17.57 | Tekkub | and I love how they gave Jay the Silent Bob moment at the end |
| 04:18.01 | cog|away | s/ping/pm/ |
| 04:18.26 | mikma | damn, i still need to see that movie |
| 04:18.35 | Tekkub | it was good |
| 04:18.51 | cog|away | Also still wondering about a Matthew with a 516 number ... |
| 04:18.58 | Iriel | cog|away: You killed his father, now prepare to die. |
| 04:19.01 | Lunessa | Slacker Ethos movies are always good for a laugh. |
| 04:19.08 | mikma | was about to go and check it in movies but there was 0 spots sold and didnt want to go in emppty theater hoho |
| 04:19.30 | mikma | noes! your hair! |
| 04:19.46 | Thunder_Child | hair on their bones Lunessa? |
| 04:19.55 | Lunessa | Meh |
| 04:21.07 | Lunessa | The problem with working a long shift on a day where I've had little sleep is that... I'm now frikkin wired on caffeine and might not sleep for another 2 days. |
| 04:22.53 | mikma | after facing n+1 rogues in arena, i am happy they get nerfbat |
| 04:23.46 | Duman | hmm |
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| 04:24.00 | Lunessa | The chance of an arena victory is inversely proportional to the sum of the rogues on the opposing team? |
| 04:24.01 | cloudwolf | rofl |
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| 04:24.06 | cloudwolf | i forgot i had pie and was toof ocused on my addon |
| 04:24.08 | cloudwolf | >.< |
| 04:24.33 | cloudwolf | mmm it still warm |
| 04:24.37 | Cidan | mmm, pie. |
| 04:24.39 | Cidan | Oh man |
| 04:24.41 | Cidan | I want pie. |
| 04:24.42 | Cidan | D: |
| 04:25.33 | Cidan | and sleep |
| 04:25.34 | Cidan | I want sleep |
| 04:25.43 | cloudwolf | lol what type o pie you like cidan? |
| 04:26.10 | Cidan | Apple, I think, the most. |
| 04:26.17 | Cidan | I know, sounds plain, but eh. |
| 04:26.20 | Cidan | I really like it! |
| 04:26.24 | Cidan | And pumpkin. |
| 04:26.28 | Iriel | Apple is good. |
| 04:26.31 | Iriel | Rhubarb is good too |
| 04:26.49 | Cidan | Never... had. Not in a pie anyway. |
| 04:27.07 | mikma | blueberry pie |
| 04:27.27 | Tekkub | I haven't had rhubarb wine in years |
| 04:29.52 | cloudwolf | my fave type is apple ive had rhaspberry (not that great but ok too many seeds) and ive had multi berry pie thats good |
| 04:29.58 | cloudwolf | hmm |
| 04:30.24 | Lunessa | OK, I'm out. Later all. |
| 04:30.28 | cloudwolf | ive tried rhubarb didn't care for it too much |
| 04:30.31 | cloudwolf | cya lunessa |
| 04:30.52 | Cidan | so |
| 04:30.54 | Cidan | do I sleep |
| 04:30.56 | Cidan | or do I |
| 04:30.57 | Cidan | uh |
| 04:31.00 | Cidan | sleep. |
| 04:31.04 | mikma | why not |
| 04:31.07 | Cidan | or, do I stay up texting all night |
| 04:31.11 | mikma | why would you |
| 04:31.14 | Cidan | 'cause, I feel like I didn't get much done today |
| 04:31.18 | cloudwolf | XD |
| 04:31.19 | Cidan | I got up at 1 PM today |
| 04:31.32 | Cidan | I started dating someone uh, three days ago |
| 04:31.41 | cloudwolf | lucky jerk... |
| 04:31.43 | Cidan | and I sort of fell asleep on her bed, but, I didn't really move until, 1 |
| 04:31.54 | cloudwolf | not on the dating thing |
| 04:31.57 | cloudwolf | on sleeping in till 1 |
| 04:31.58 | cloudwolf | XD |
| 04:32.05 | WobWork | apple is good with shortbread crust pastry |
| 04:32.08 | cloudwolf | i have to get up at 6:30 am to get ready for school |
| 04:32.19 | Cidan | I get up at 5:30 to get ready for it, so I feel your pain |
| 04:32.25 | Cidan | It's horrible, D: |
| 04:32.32 | cloudwolf | :P |
| 04:32.35 | cloudwolf | i had that time last year |
| 04:32.45 | cloudwolf | cus my SD was retarded and made a MID HIGH |
| 04:32.52 | cloudwolf | and it started EARLIER thant he damn high school |
| 04:32.58 | Cidan | \o/ |
| 04:32.58 | Cidan | woo |
| 04:33.02 | Cidan | ugh |
| 04:33.18 | Cidan | and I have to do all this code for RDX |
| 04:33.22 | Cidan | fuuuuck. |
| 04:34.10 | cloudwolf | rdx? |
| 04:34.13 | Tekkub | "have to: is relative |
| 04:34.21 | cloudwolf | WOO I WIN! |
| 04:34.49 | cloudwolf | was able to make my 6 globals down to 1 while retaining all info from previous versions! |
| 04:35.05 | cloudwolf | huzzah for if blah ~= nil then |
| 04:35.11 | Cidan | www.openrdx.com |
| 04:35.39 | Cidan | also, if you're setting the value of blah to something based on if it's nil or not |
| 04:35.59 | Cidan | blah = blah or SomeNewValue; |
| 04:36.09 | Cidan | all in one neat statement. |
| 04:37.50 | cloudwolf | lol shoulda done that but i didn't |
| 04:37.52 | cloudwolf | and im lazy |
| 04:38.04 | cloudwolf | :P |
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| 04:38.18 | Cidan | Eh, dun feel bad. Was just letting you know incase you didn't know, is all. |
| 04:38.24 | cloudwolf | any way is there an online version of hte video the user page is making me interested |
| 04:38.27 | Cidan | Do what floats ya. |
| 04:38.35 | Cidan | oh |
| 04:38.37 | Shirik | Cidan, quit yo whinin |
| 04:38.50 | Cidan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQscDzXY2Cg |
| 04:38.53 | Cidan | Bite me |
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| 04:38.59 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12443-WintergrasptimerViolatesmod.html#changelog |
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| 04:39.21 | mikma | theres the reasons explained why i didnt add his "features" in the first place |
| 04:39.39 | Cidan | Shirik: How are you, lover boy? |
| 04:39.49 | Shirik | I want to kill people right now |
| 04:39.50 | Cidan | Damn, we never did go out this Christmas, did we? |
| 04:39.52 | Shirik | but let's not talk about that |
| 04:39.54 | Shirik | no :( |
| 04:39.54 | Cidan | I'm sorry about that. |
| 04:40.09 | Cidan | I was really just in a whirlwind this whole Christmas |
| 04:40.16 | Shirik | I know what you mean |
| 04:41.26 | mikma | shirik: yo dawg -> stab faster |
| 04:41.56 | Cidan | Yo dawg I herd u leik cars so I put a car in ur car so you can drive while u drive? |
| 04:42.22 | Shirik | .. wut? |
| 04:42.47 | Cidan | Right. |
| 04:42.54 | Cidan | When are you coming here next? |
| 04:42.56 | Cidan | Spring Break? |
| 04:42.58 | Cidan | Mebbe? |
| 04:44.00 | cloudwolf | yo dawg i heard yo and yo dawg like yo yos so we put yo dawg on a yo yo so yo can yo yo yo dawg while yo dawg yo yos dawg |
| 04:44.07 | Cidan | what |
| 04:44.10 | Cidan | My eyes. |
| 04:44.13 | cloudwolf | XD |
| 04:44.14 | Thunder_Child | ~gag cloudwolf |
| 04:44.16 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of cloudwolf and, as an additional precaution, sews cloudwolf's mouth shut permanently... |
| 04:44.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ze goggles! zey do nothing! |
| 04:44.50 | Cidan | I'm so happy that Blizzard is seemingly not touching the way Holy Paladin's heal. |
| 04:44.55 | Cidan | 'cause really, I'd have to choke a bitch. |
| 04:45.00 | mikma | ~fail thunder_child |
| 04:45.01 | purl | thunder_child, you Fail! |
| 04:45.30 | mikma | cidan: holy paladins rule in arena |
| 04:45.35 | mikma | they die like, fast |
| 04:45.41 | Thunder_Child | ~kick mikma |
| 04:45.42 | purl | ACTION kicks mikma |
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| 04:45.47 | Cidan | woah what |
| 04:45.56 | cloudwolf | cidan what looks like this mod is is a bunch of default frame types that you can position and put togethere how ever you feel? |
| 04:45.58 | Cidan | # The duration on all Seals has been increased to 30 minutes and can no longer dispelled. |
| 04:46.14 | mikma | rogue = nerfbat |
| 04:46.22 | mikma | feraldruid = nerfbat |
| 04:46.29 | mikma | mage = nerfbat |
| 04:46.36 | Cidan | cloudwolf: No, you can literally build a UI to look like whatever you want, display any information to you, in any way, all in game using the in game editor |
| 04:46.37 | mikma | etc! lovely updates |
| 04:46.42 | cloudwolf | im a rogue not sub or realy well geared but god damn i can't kill friggin death knights |
| 04:46.58 | Cidan | cloudwolf: Then you can send people entire packages with the frames you built, all in game, no need to relog. |
| 04:47.11 | Cidan | If you can imagine it, you can build it. |
| 04:47.31 | cloudwolf | do i have to dl the patches or is the openrdx wotlk up to date enough to work? |
| 04:47.32 | mikma | cloudwolf: theres one nasty class for all classes |
| 04:47.39 | Cidan | download it + patches |
| 04:47.44 | cloudwolf | gah k |
| 04:47.51 | Cidan | We have a new release coming out soon, 7.1, huge changes. |
| 04:47.52 | cloudwolf | mikma well paladins and dk's both own me |
| 04:48.07 | Cidan | k so, seals now last 30 minutes. |
| 04:48.09 | Cidan | what the hell |
| 04:48.13 | Cidan | I mean, yay |
| 04:48.13 | cloudwolf | and boomkins do enough dmg and can just reheal... |
| 04:48.14 | Cidan | but wow |
| 04:48.15 | mikma | no wonder, they own almost everyone |
| 04:48.27 | mikma | stun -> buuuuuuuuuuurst, dead |
| 04:48.30 | cloudwolf | im just a bad rogue :P |
| 04:48.40 | Tekkub | yea I think they've finally realized that the "short spells, adapt to the situation" design for pallies was crap |
| 04:48.50 | Tekkub | people just use the same one spell over and over |
| 04:48.51 | mikma | no, dk and pala are just like that |
| 04:49.00 | cloudwolf | cheapshot other stun kidney rinse repeat lol |
| 04:50.53 | Cidan | Divine Plea: The amount healed by your spells is reduced by 50% (up from 20%) but the effect can no longer be dispelled. |
| 04:50.57 | Cidan | This isn't so bad. |
| 04:51.58 | Cidan | ouch |
| 04:52.02 | Cidan | holy shit Blizzard |
| 04:52.03 | Cidan | Mutilate damage will now do 20% increased damage against poisoned targets, down from 50%. |
| 04:52.08 | Cidan | What the rape. |
| 04:52.22 | cloudwolf | time to test out htis rdx thingy |
| 04:52.53 | Cidan | k |
| 04:53.05 | Cidan | I eventually will put a decent site up, when I have -time- |
| 04:53.13 | Cidan | ugh, I just wish I could slow down time. |
| 04:53.17 | cloudwolf | WHY DOES THEY HATEZ ON THE ROGUE |
| 04:53.20 | Cidan | Or stop it for like, a week. |
| 04:53.23 | Cidan | Dunno. |
| 04:53.30 | Cidan | I don't even play a rogue, and that made me cringe |
| 04:53.33 | cloudwolf | its been a long time since rogues were the shit... |
| 04:54.10 | cloudwolf | assassination spec used to be godly then it switched to combat. then they balanced the specs again... |
| 04:54.30 | cloudwolf | and every patch they nurf something in the spec and buff something else |
| 04:54.52 | cloudwolf | !vfl lifeguard? |
| 04:56.06 | cloudwolf | how does one move the bar? |
| 04:56.33 | Cidan | shift+left click |
| 04:56.58 | Cidan | the bar has been redone for 7.1, much more user friendly. |
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| 04:59.34 | Cidan | HAPPY FEBRUARY 10TH EVERYONE |
| 04:59.39 | cloudwolf | lol i have no idea how to even hide default stuff using this or create new stuff :P |
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| 05:00.07 | Cidan | first |
| 05:00.08 | Cidan | http://www.openrdx.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=344 |
| 05:00.44 | Cidan | second |
| 05:00.46 | Cidan | http://www.openrdx.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=23&sid=457a3dd30621250283ea88351fe0b5b8 |
| 05:00.50 | Cidan | part 1, etc, etc. |
| 05:01.25 | cloudwolf | oh hey lol frame wizard lets see if that helps |
| 05:01.36 | Cidan | I'd honestly do it from scratch. |
| 05:01.39 | Cidan | if I were you |
| 05:01.40 | Cidan | but I'm not |
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| 05:03.10 | Sixen | Cog resigned MVP? Where the hell have I been.. |
| 05:03.19 | Cidan | he did? |
| 05:03.29 | Cidan | he must have just not had the time to keep up with it |
| 05:03.40 | Tekkub | he was upset they made him a pink ponytail gnome |
| 05:03.42 | Tain | He resigned under heavy scrunity from allegations of performance enhancing drugs. |
| 05:03.57 | Sixen | "I reached my tolerance threshhold for not telling people what i REALLY think ;)" |
| 05:04.02 | Cidan | < Tain> He resigned under heavy scrunity from allegations of performance enhancing drugs. |
| 05:04.03 | Tekkub | we all know it was zoot's doing |
| 05:04.05 | Cidan | I like that one |
| 05:04.23 | cloudwolf | the eternal watch site fails with having images |
| 05:05.17 | Cidan | is there an 3.0.9 post on UI changes? |
| 05:05.44 | Cidan | a |
| 05:05.47 | Sixen | Did Cog make a resignation thread or anything or did he just leave? |
| 05:06.17 | Tain | World of Warcraft has been veddy veddy good to him |
| 05:06.23 | Sixen | lawl |
| 05:08.57 | cloudwolf | cidan remind me about this when its in the newer version lol |
| 05:09.08 | cloudwolf | cus at this point it confuses the hell outa me |
| 05:10.24 | batrick | !lua 5/42 |
| 05:10.24 | batbot | batrick: > 0.11904761904762 |
| 05:10.58 | cloudwolf | O.o bot kewl |
| 05:11.27 | cloudwolf | sitting down and doing hw for about 4 hours straight is no fun... |
| 05:11.36 | Cidan | It confuses the hell out of most people, it's fine. |
| 05:12.29 | Cidan | Really working hard to make it slightly more user friendly, but, there is only so much you can do when you have a mod that can make frames/windows however you want them. If you have any ideas on how I can make it better in that respect, believe me, I'm all ears. I really would love to hear what you have to say. |
| 05:12.46 | cloudwolf | will the new version hopefully be more creator friendly not just user? |
| 05:13.05 | Cidan | I've considered making a sort of "walk-through" mode, where it literally guides you with pop-ups, etc. |
| 05:13.16 | cloudwolf | heh well 1 pressinc escape is the only way to get outa the fly out menus that i found. and it closes all not just the one your looking at. |
| 05:14.25 | cloudwolf | i like the walk though idea |
| 05:14.41 | cloudwolf | i had issues finding any default frames |
| 05:15.10 | Cidan | k, I'll look into that then |
| 05:15.17 | Cidan | 'cause it's all about making your own frames. |
| 05:15.41 | cloudwolf | heh true |
| 05:16.01 | Cidan | http://www.conspiracy-ui.com/cidui.jpg |
| 05:16.14 | Cidan | Top right is my healing frames, though it has changed slightly |
| 05:16.21 | Cidan | thin white bar is mana |
| 05:16.37 | Cidan | center is me + my target |
| 05:17.07 | cloudwolf | heh minimalistic approach |
| 05:17.19 | Cidan | Yeah, but it gives me the info I need |
| 05:17.30 | Cidan | I've since refined it, I took away the mana numbers, and changed HP to a percent |
| 05:17.54 | Cidan | and under the mana bar, the words "Shield" or "Beacon" will show up, if that unit has my paladin shield or beacon of light |
| 05:18.09 | Cidan | for debuffs, I generally don't care -what- debuff someone has, just if they have one I can cure |
| 05:18.18 | Cidan | So their name will turn green if they have a debuff I can cure |
| 05:18.38 | cloudwolf | See the idea of this thing i like verry much |
| 05:18.40 | ccox | Cidan: is that the "I'm too poor for a fancy UI" package? |
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| 05:18.43 | Cidan | and on the right, list of people who are dead. Click on someone on that list, and I rez them. |
| 05:18.56 | Cidan | No, it's the, "I just need to heal and get my job done well" package. |
| 05:18.58 | cloudwolf | it just would be great if there was a tutorial or if it was more intuiative. |
| 05:19.06 | ccox | very, very minimalist |
| 05:19.12 | Cidan | Yes, I know. |
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| 05:19.34 | Cidan | I don't need DPS, HPS, Threat, whatever, it's all worthless to me. |
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| 05:19.43 | Cidan | I do one thing; keep people alive. |
| 05:19.44 | cloudwolf | sorry if what im saying you already know :P |
| 05:19.46 | ccox | does look a bit better than healbot |
| 05:19.55 | ccox | (of course, Vista looks better than healbot) |
| 05:20.00 | Cidan | Well the point is, you can make it look like -anything- you want it to. |
| 05:20.07 | Cidan | You can literally design it to look any way you want. |
| 05:20.44 | Cidan | http://www.conspiracy-ui.com/hud_1.png |
| 05:20.49 | cloudwolf | i can't realy give more indepth critique considering i was lazy XD and didn't exactly get far in it i was able to hide the default interface and re enable it lol |
| 05:20.52 | Cidan | http://www.conspiracy-ui.com/hud_2.png |
| 05:20.59 | Cidan | HUD I made using OpenRDX |
| 05:21.07 | Cidan | first link is when you're in combat |
| 05:21.14 | Cidan | then it fades away when you're out of combatr |
| 05:21.17 | Cidan | combat, even. |
| 05:21.31 | Lukian | nice, archud does similar |
| 05:21.34 | Lukian | icehud etc |
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| 05:21.52 | cloudwolf | and how were you able to create the frames to look that way? |
| 05:22.01 | cloudwolf | did it involve importing of any kind? |
| 05:22.01 | Cidan | Yup, but it's all using the RDX management system, I can send my HUD to another player that has RDX and they can use it right then and there, without needing to even reloadui, etc. |
| 05:22.41 | Cidan | Well, the artwork for the bars I added in 7.0.5, but if you have the artwork, you can just drop it in. |
| 05:22.51 | Cidan | or you can use the -tons- of default artwork in RDX |
| 05:24.03 | cloudwolf | hmm any way |
| 05:24.11 | Cidan | anyway? REALLY? PROMISE? |
| 05:24.24 | Cidan | God I'm so tired. |
| 05:24.31 | cloudwolf | time to update my addon on wowi considering i made it use less globals |
| 05:24.44 | Cidan | show meh! |
| 05:24.48 | cloudwolf | >.< |
| 05:24.48 | Cidan | I wanna see what you did, :D |
| 05:24.52 | cloudwolf | i have 2 and there not that great |
| 05:24.59 | cloudwolf | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12421-StatDisplay.html |
| 05:25.02 | cloudwolf | not the one i just updated |
| 05:25.03 | Cidan | I wanna see |
| 05:25.09 | cloudwolf | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12250-GuildChatAdmin.html |
| 05:25.12 | cloudwolf | one im about to update |
| 05:25.57 | cloudwolf | :P and for all i know you could do both with your rdx thingy :D |
| 05:26.27 | Cidan | Hey, no judgements, eh? |
| 05:26.35 | cloudwolf | ? |
| 05:26.49 | Cidan | I don't like to sit here and say, hey, this is better than what you do or whatever. |
| 05:26.53 | Cidan | That would just make me a dick. |
| 05:27.00 | cloudwolf | lol |
| 05:27.04 | Cidan | I swear to God, the first person to point out that I already am one, will be stabbed. |
| 05:27.05 | cloudwolf | well im sure yours is better than mine |
| 05:27.35 | cloudwolf | considering ive made 4 addons sofar 2 of which are only text based and 2 which actualy help |
| 05:28.05 | Cidan | Neh, don't say it like that. I think of the UI world as a sort of collaborative effort, we all work to improve the way a player views information in the world |
| 05:28.18 | Cidan | We all play off of each other, giving and taking. |
| 05:28.41 | cloudwolf | 1 was a calculator for ingame simple add sub mul div other makes me mimic a player in guildchat that i set or clear :P and then the guild chat one (first one using visual frames and buttons and editboxes) then the stat one which gives you the general info you need lol |
| 05:29.03 | Cidan | May I ask, do you use XML to construct your frames? |
| 05:29.20 | cloudwolf | not at all |
| 05:29.22 | cloudwolf | lua |
| 05:29.24 | Cidan | Really? |
| 05:29.26 | cloudwolf | yes |
| 05:29.28 | Cidan | I already love you. :D |
| 05:29.30 | cloudwolf | XD |
| 05:29.41 | cloudwolf | i basicaly said scrue learning the xml syntax and the lua syntax |
| 05:29.50 | cloudwolf | ile learn the lua and since i can make frames in lua ile do that. |
| 05:29.59 | Cidan | Agreed. |
| 05:30.04 | cloudwolf | if i ever master lua (which would take me AGES!) then i might go into xml |
| 05:30.20 | Cidan | You don't ever really need to, really. |
| 05:30.32 | cloudwolf | :P i know |
| 05:30.34 | Cidan | Consider this, for all that RDX is, it doesn't use a bit of XML. |
| 05:30.42 | Cidan | Lua is the way to go man. |
| 05:30.49 | cloudwolf | heh |
| 05:31.05 | Cidan | But don't say it will take you ages, it's just a matter of finding out what works best, and being creative. |
| 05:31.09 | Zootfizzle | That's open to interpretation =) |
| 05:31.31 | Cidan | Zootfizzle: oof, I know, clad yells at me when I say it, D: |
| 05:31.33 | Corrodias | Lua is truly the solution to all problems |
| 05:32.00 | Cidan | Disclaimer: All of the above is my opinion and not what everyone else "should" do. |
| 05:32.37 | Corrodias | except what i said. it's fact. |
| 05:32.43 | Cidan | Hehe. |
| 05:33.12 | Cidan | I must say, for any C/C++ project that I work on where it's a good solution, I use Lua to script. |
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| 05:34.50 | cloudwolf | I'm planning on learning c++ sometime. Considering isn't lua considered something that intigrates with c++ code or python or some of the other languages to call info from the C++? |
| 05:35.05 | cloudwolf | or use said info?.. |
| 05:35.07 | Cidan | Yeah, that's roughly correct, cloudwolf. |
| 05:36.03 | cloudwolf | i gota pvp on my rogue sometime soon cus im getting epicly bored with wow |
| 05:36.11 | Cidan | As am I |
| 05:36.19 | Cidan | You can only do Naxx so many times |
| 05:36.26 | Cidan | and I did naxx pre-BC many, many times. |
| 05:36.26 | cloudwolf | i recently have only been on to test addons im doing cus its kinda fun to code lol |
| 05:36.34 | Cidan | It is, it is. |
| 05:36.59 | cloudwolf | untill you get into patterns like i do where i allways type CreateFrame as CreatFrame... |
| 05:37.13 | Cidan | I do stupid things like that too, don't worry |
| 05:37.15 | Thunder_Child | so lol |
| 05:37.20 | cloudwolf | then i reload my ui and its all ERROR CREATFRAME IS NOT A GLOBAL lol... |
| 05:37.20 | Thunder_Child | www.dss.mil uses an invalid security certificate." |
| 05:38.06 | cloudwolf | XD |
| 05:38.11 | Cidan | Okay well |
| 05:38.25 | Cidan | Bed time, I have a.. well not a big day ahead of me tomorrow |
| 05:38.28 | Cidan | but hey |
| 05:38.34 | Cidan | I'm about to pass out |
| 05:38.40 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Well, invalid in the sense we dont have the DOD CA in our list of root certs? |
| 05:38.46 | Cidan | the putty window is starting to blur |
| 05:39.10 | WobWork | you sure it's not a silly putty window? |
| 05:39.20 | Cidan | It... very well might be. |
| 05:39.55 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, i guess so since it was issued by DoD |
| 05:40.03 | Thunder_Child | it's a self issue |
| 05:40.12 | Thunder_Child | usually they dont do to well |
| 05:40.46 | Iriel | Or they dont care if anyone outside the DOD can vertify the cert |
| 05:42.14 | Thunder_Child | no, but they would care if no one can access it because they dont know how to/or if they should allow the cert |
| 05:42.15 | cloudwolf | Well i gtg |
| 05:42.17 | cloudwolf | its getting late |
| 05:42.26 | cloudwolf | theres school im tired blah blah blah aka gnight |
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| 05:49.09 | Atriace | Is there a way to create multiple lights with either PlayerModel or Model? |
| 05:53.12 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-45-206.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:53.25 | Adys | Atriace: no, you need to overlay a transparent model above the one below |
| 05:53.52 | Atriace | That was going to be my next option. Alright. |
| 05:55.05 | Atriace | Also, with the SetModel method, what format must the model be in? |
| 05:55.19 | Adys | filepath |
| 05:55.27 | Atriace | I mean fileformat. |
| 05:55.37 | Adys | doesnt matter, you dont even need the extension |
| 05:55.38 | Atriace | 3DS, Obj, DXF, etc. |
| 05:56.06 | Adys | if you do need it its either m2 or mdx |
| 05:56.08 | Adys | dont remember |
| 05:56.21 | Adys | prolly both |
| 05:57.05 | Atriace | Do you know of a program that will save to the format, perchance? |
| 05:57.25 | Adys | ah you want to create a model |
| 05:57.37 | Atriace | It's already created, technically. |
| 05:57.37 | Adys | 3ds max has a conversion plugin, but m2 is a proprietary blizzard format so you wont find much more than that |
| 06:00.46 | Thunder_Child | i wonder if ps4 will open it now that it can handle 3d meshes |
| 06:18.23 | Cairenn | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/sony_releases_new_stupid_piece_of |
| 06:19.11 | Adys | the onion publishes a new stupid piece of |
| 06:20.58 | Adys | kd3: ping |
| 06:21.32 | Adys | actually |
| 06:21.37 | Olison | Hi Adys o/ |
| 06:21.39 | Adys | if anyone is interested, http://devcub.com/~adys/blizzard.xml |
| 06:21.42 | Adys | hai Olison |
| 06:23.24 | Olison | What does it do? :o |
| 06:23.38 | Adys | goes in /usr/share/mime/packages |
| 06:23.55 | Olison | oh ok |
| 06:24.08 | Adys | x restart and you got pretty mimetypes for mpqs, dbcs, wdbs, m2, blp and wmo files |
| 06:24.38 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, thats awesome |
| 06:24.43 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 06:24.48 | Cairenn | as usual, blame Dolby :) |
| 06:25.05 | Cairenn | he always comes up with the best links |
| 06:25.10 | Adys | Thunder_Child: maybe my browser sucks, but there's no vid there |
| 06:25.29 | Thunder_Child | Adys, un-noscript? |
| 06:25.40 | Adys | i dont use this shitty addon |
| 06:25.49 | Thunder_Child | then you fail |
| 06:26.07 | Adys | its actually flash, and not some obscure retarded file format? |
| 06:26.31 | Thunder_Child | it's http://www.longtailvideo.com/ |
| 06:26.38 | Thunder_Child | wtf that is |
| 06:27.00 | Adys | a known player |
| 06:27.50 | Dolby | you refresh? video blanked for me once on their site and i just hit refresh |
| 06:28.01 | Dolby | otherwise works in FF/Safari |
| 06:28.10 | Adys | yeah tried, screw that Im not wasting a minute for flash |
| 06:28.18 | Adys | wasted enough of my life on that >< |
| 06:28.20 | Thunder_Child | so bitter Adys |
| 06:28.26 | Dolby | lol |
| 06:28.35 | Adys | maybe |
| 06:30.24 | Syzgyn | You know whats fun |
| 06:30.42 | Adys | small gadgets that make noise? |
| 06:30.44 | Syzgyn | Spending 3+ hours doing 3 bosses in naxx |
| 06:30.54 | Syzgyn | and wiping on KT all night |
| 06:31.13 | Syzgyn | With people who get out dpsed by the tank every attempt by a large amount |
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| 06:31.24 | Adys | look at the bright side |
| 06:31.27 | Adys | your tank must be PRO |
| 06:31.29 | WobWork | http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25026912-2702,00.html =\ |
| 06:31.31 | Syzgyn | Not really |
| 06:31.36 | WobWork | and I'm off home |
| 06:32.05 | Syzgyn | He's doing at most 2k dps |
| 06:32.18 | Adys | night WobWork |
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| 06:33.40 | ccox | The sad part is how realisitic that onion piece about sony really is.... |
| 06:34.55 | ccox | not that the onion has any problem with realism, but that sony puts out lots of @#%@# that doesn't &$^%^#$% work |
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| 07:23.02 | durcyn | http://www.vimeo.com/2998698 |
| 07:23.08 | durcyn | probably nsfw |
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| 07:30.27 | End | oh |
| 07:30.30 | End | interesting |
| 07:35.59 | Adys | Sub, assa or combat to level up? |
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| 07:43.13 | Syzgyn | Adys: Mut |
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| 08:16.15 | Arrowmaster | hmm my firefox is using 1.5GB of virtual ram |
| 08:16.35 | Arrowmaster | i dont even have that much ram |
| 08:18.00 | Atriace | Drat |
| 08:20.34 | Atriace | Given that each PlayerModel/Model can only have one light source, and my planned alternative was to layer multiple copies of a model with different light sources... |
| 08:22.21 | Atriace | How could one stack those Models? Model is a frame object and last I checked, they don't accept blend mods (such as ADD). I can't remove the textures by any method I know of either thereby making the model transparent but retaining the specular. |
| 08:22.29 | Atriace | modes* |
| 08:22.34 | Elkano | Arrowmaster, that's why it's called virtual RAM ^^ |
| 08:23.45 | Atriace | I know you can define multiple light sources in an MDX model, but how would someone go about adding more than one in a pre-existing WoW model? Any ideas? |
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| 08:44.33 | Thunder_Child | ...no one puts a kill switch out of reach damit! |
| 08:44.37 | Thunder_Child | stupid tv crap |
| 08:46.29 | foxlit | Atriace: doom! |
| 08:47.06 | Atriace | Are you my harbinger of bad news, Foxlit? |
| 08:47.39 | foxlit | doom! |
| 08:48.45 | foxlit | (yeah, you're pretty much stuck) |
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| 08:49.50 | Pizik_afk | What do you mean by stacking models? Atriace |
| 08:50.28 | foxlit | Pandas are generally lazy. |
| 08:51.59 | Atriace | Pizik: basicly just like what you'd do with a layer in photoshop. You have a primary key-lit model, and then you stack multiple copies of the same model but with different edge highlights. Normally, the other models are black apart from the edge highlights, so you set the blend mode of those models to only show the bright portions (ADD) thereby stacking the effect. |
| 08:53.09 | Pizik_afk | kk, pretty much what I thought you meant, just duplicating the mesh in the same space |
| 08:54.46 | Pizik_afk | as for transparent models, rather than 'removing textures' to make them transparent, wouldn't usig an alpha channel on a texture work? |
| 08:54.55 | Pizik_afk | *using |
| 08:55.29 | Atriace | Basicly what I meant, yes. But I don't see a method for doing that. |
| 08:56.06 | Pizik_afk | Or I guess you could just flip it's normals so it doesn't render ;o) |
| 08:57.09 | Atriace | hehe, still... we're dealing with Blizzard MDX files. Texture/model data is kinda stuck where it is (as far as I know). |
| 08:57.15 | Pizik_afk | but i'm just a noob when it comes to such things so my ideas are probably bad ;o) |
| 08:58.37 | Pizik_afk | So, do WoW models only support lighting from one external source then? |
| 08:59.29 | Pizik_afk | (I have only played around with WoW models in a limited way, extracting and converting their format, then playing a little) |
| 09:00.41 | Atriace | Technically, no. WoW models support just about any type of data you could consider cramming into them (from particle effects, to animation and so on), but the issue is with the functions alloted to modifying pre-existing models. Model:SetLight(...) only ever modified/sets 1 light. |
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| 09:01.50 | Pizik_afk | Ahhhh, so it is a code limitation in the engine. rather than a format limitation in the actual model? |
| 09:02.14 | Atriace | Bingo |
| 09:03.44 | Kalroth_ | noo, not the Kalroth |
| 09:03.44 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be an extended maintenance to apply patch 3.0.9. Please note that all European realms will be offline from 03:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET). |
| 09:03.44 | Shiibot | Additionally we will perform a web maintenance from 03:00 Paris time (CET) until aproximately 07:00 Paris time (CET). During this period the Armory, Account Management, Blizzard Store, Forums and the rest of our website will be unavailable. |
| 09:03.44 | Shiibot | Thank you for your patience and understanding. |
| 09:04.37 | Pizik_afk | Another patch? guess they are fixing more stuff they broke in 3.0.8 |
| 09:04.57 | jnwhiteh | 3.0.9 has been announced fora bit now |
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| 09:05.50 | Pizik_afk | I rarely pay attention to them before maintenance, then sulk about it when they nerf my huntard some more ;o) |
| 09:05.58 | Tekkub | yea like, a day, unofficially announced on mmo-champ :P |
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| 09:10.23 | Pizik_afk | ahhh good, a fix to mouse cursor disappearing, than one was bugging me alot |
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| 09:16.46 | jnwhiteh | Tekkub: it went to PTR before MMO announced it in EU, imo |
| 09:16.51 | jnwhiteh | even if it didn't go up |
| 09:17.16 | Shirik | jnwhiteh is already awake |
| 09:17.34 | Shirik | That is a serious sign that I was at school way too late |
| 09:17.57 | jnwhiteh | truth |
| 09:18.16 | jnwhiteh | hrm, it's snow-rain-cloud today |
| 09:18.21 | jnwhiteh | I should walk instead of bike methinks |
| 09:18.50 | Shirik | isn't that england every day? |
| 09:19.06 | Shirik | foggy, rainy, cloudy |
| 09:19.08 | Shirik | :P |
| 09:19.25 | jnwhiteh | you have no idea =) |
| 09:21.01 | Kalroth | clad is such a suit! |
| 09:21.09 | Shirik | a suit? |
| 09:21.13 | jnwhiteh | academic ~= suit |
| 09:21.17 | Shirik | wtf does it mean to call someone a suit? |
| 09:21.30 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: you got an office, hence you're a suit! |
| 09:21.30 | jnwhiteh | umm |
| 09:21.33 | jnwhiteh | a businessman |
| 09:21.35 | jnwhiteh | basically |
| 09:21.36 | Shirik | ah |
| 09:21.44 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: if you saw my office, in the dark basement of the computing laboratory |
| 09:21.44 | Shirik | I have an office :/ |
| 09:21.46 | jnwhiteh | you'd disagree :P |
| 09:21.59 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: oh okay, I'm sorry fellow geek! |
| 09:22.18 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 09:22.20 | Shirik | wtf I'm no better than jnwhiteh! |
| 09:22.37 | Shirik | Though we call our lab a faraday cage |
| 09:22.40 | Shirik | not the dark basement |
| 09:23.02 | jnwhiteh | I'm not calling it anything =) |
| 09:23.06 | jnwhiteh | it actually is a dark basement :P |
| 09:23.11 | Kalroth | haha |
| 09:23.15 | jnwhiteh | PEACETHEFUCKOUT |
| 09:23.18 | Shirik | :P |
| 09:23.19 | jnwhiteh | for like 10 minutes |
| 09:23.34 | jnwhiteh | My emails in my inbox go from Feb 9 - Jan 11th |
| 09:23.45 | jnwhiteh | and then back to July 2008 |
| 09:23.51 | jnwhiteh | half-done-cleanup ftl |
| 09:23.51 | Thunder_Child | jnwhiteh, no |
| 09:23.57 | Thunder_Child | i will NOT peacethefuckout |
| 09:24.15 | Shirik | your disobedience is unacceptable |
| 09:24.19 | Shirik | resistance is futile |
| 09:24.25 | Thunder_Child | and unavoidable |
| 09:24.59 | jnwhiteh | why on earth did I type /me kicks instead of /kick |
| 09:25.13 | jnwhiteh | I'm getting too tired for even IRC op abuse =( |
| 09:25.22 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 09:25.32 | jnwhiteh | okay, really leaving now |
| 09:25.32 | Thunder_Child | fail jnwhiteh |
| 09:25.40 | Thunder_Child | ~epic fail jnwhiteh |
| 09:25.41 | purl | jnwhiteh, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you jnwhiteh, you are that epic failure. |
| 09:27.34 | Fisker- | ~epic fail Thunder_Child |
| 09:27.34 | purl | Thunder_Child, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Thunder_Child, you are that epic failure. |
| 09:27.55 | Thunder_Child | redundant comment is reduanant |
| 09:27.58 | Fisker- | btw jnwhiteh |
| 09:28.03 | Fisker- | you're awesome |
| 09:28.13 | End | yeah, Thunder_Child and epic fail mean the same thing |
| 09:28.27 | Fisker- | it's not redundant |
| 09:28.31 | Fisker- | oh in that way of course |
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| 09:40.18 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: why so awesome? |
| 09:41.15 | Thunder_Child | careful jnwhiteh, you will get sucked into his web of lies and deciet...this is Fisker- afterall |
| 09:43.34 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 09:44.01 | jnwhiteh | I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter |
| 09:44.14 | End | wow |
| 09:44.21 | End | I should turn spell details down more often |
| 09:44.27 | End | it gets rid of my warlock's poop cloud |
| 09:45.54 | Adys | hmm |
| 09:45.58 | Adys | any starcraft fan around? |
| 09:46.04 | Adys | I need a couple of scx/scm files |
| 09:47.34 | Miyagui | maps? |
| 09:47.39 | Adys | yes |
| 09:48.00 | Miyagui | let me see if i have starcraft installed |
| 09:48.27 | Miyagui | nope :( |
| 09:48.42 | Miyagui | but which maps do u need |
| 09:48.46 | Adys | any |
| 09:49.49 | Thunder_Child | they have whole sites devoted to that Adys |
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| 09:50.42 | Adys | found some scx |
| 09:50.44 | Adys | but not scm |
| 09:51.30 | Thunder_Child | that sounds so dirty |
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| 09:51.53 | Arrowmaster | bad TC |
| 09:51.53 | Adys | ah there |
| 09:52.04 | Thunder_Child | always Arrowmaster |
| 09:52.15 | Miyagui | http://www.xghozt.com/maps/downloaded%20maps/ |
| 09:52.18 | Miyagui | there u go |
| 09:52.22 | Miyagui | looooots of maps |
| 09:52.27 | Adys | awesome thanks |
| 09:52.47 | Adys | fuck scheme source files |
| 09:52.55 | Adys | sigh |
| 09:53.09 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 09:53.14 | Arrowmaster | oh scm too |
| 09:53.44 | Adys | oh no |
| 09:53.46 | Adys | my bad |
| 09:54.11 | Thunder_Child | figures, i get revered 2 levels before i can use the items |
| 09:54.37 | Miyagui | gnite |
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| 10:30.54 | laeg | "waiting for the curse client to exit, press cancel to abort the update" then it crashes... |
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| 10:49.01 | Wobin | bah |
| 10:49.05 | Wobin | stupid shutdown |
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| 10:59.09 | Kalroth | Haaa, wob wob got shut down! |
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| 11:07.38 | Taroven | http://hdimage.org/images/cjtk73hvcvs79qwwe5mt_ocrnhot021009054855.jpg |
| 11:07.54 | Taroven | I <3 my ui. =P |
| 11:08.01 | laeg | *click* |
| 11:08.41 | foxlit | I find your lack of FSAA disturbing |
| 11:09.11 | laeg | FSAA? |
| 11:09.17 | laeg | Taroven: is that NECB in the bottom left? |
| 11:09.30 | Taroven | Nah |
| 11:09.35 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aliasing |
| 11:09.36 | Taroven | ElkBuffBarsa |
| 11:09.38 | Taroven | *bars |
| 11:09.57 | Elkano | hmm? |
| 11:10.01 | Taroven | FSAA screws with my fonts, foxlit |
| 11:10.30 | foxlit | Your fonts look screwed to begin with :) |
| 11:10.34 | foxlit | To each his own, I suppose |
| 11:10.37 | Taroven | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/elkbuffbars.aspx |
| 11:11.00 | Taroven | Meant in general, happens with the default font. X.x;; |
| 11:11.27 | foxlit | That's interesting and incredible :) |
| 11:11.37 | Taroven | And a giant pissoff. x.x |
| 11:12.08 | Taroven | nothing major, just looks like the font's a tiny bit scrambled. makes it hard to read. |
| 11:12.39 | Taroven | On the bright side, I've learned to ignore the pixelation. =P |
| 11:13.25 | foxlit | You're also not looking at screenshots |
| 11:13.41 | Mackatack | Taroven: whats that rotation ui thingy? |
| 11:14.07 | foxlit | (it's a lot easier to ignore in a dynamic environment) |
| 11:14.22 | Taroven | That's EventHorizon. Combat monitor I'm working on with Tifi. |
| 11:14.38 | Mackatack | looks cool |
| 11:14.43 | Taroven | Is cool. |
| 11:14.49 | foxlit | The idea is interesting |
| 11:14.51 | foxlit | The looks, however. |
| 11:15.02 | Taroven | We're working on that. |
| 11:15.13 | foxlit | Obviously :) |
| 11:15.30 | Taroven | Most of the core's down, I'll be giving it a cosmetic overhaul soon. =P |
| 11:15.32 | Wobin | http://f.imagehost.org/0345/ATT00038.jpg |
| 11:16.03 | Taroven | First poor black man to turn into a rich white woman? |
| 11:16.27 | Mackatack | on wowinterface the project description of EventHorizon says it's only for SPriests, but i see some druid stuff on yours aswell |
| 11:16.42 | Taroven | Yeah, check the comments |
| 11:17.07 | jnwhiteh | !addon EventHorizon |
| 11:17.21 | lua_bot | EventHorizon (v. 0.4) last updated Fri Jan 9 18:48 (http://is.gd/j1hf) |
| 11:17.26 | Taroven | Tifi started it for spriests only, I added in a couple things to the core and we're making it a lot more universal |
| 11:17.28 | jnwhiteh | s-l-o-w |
| 11:18.01 | Taroven | (working out a minor bug on relogging right now, actually) |
| 11:18.03 | Mackatack | Taroven: ah yeah. will be checking it out |
| 11:18.42 | Taroven | On. With. Same thing... |
| 11:26.56 | Fisker- | it's cold here jnwhiteh |
| 11:27.07 | jnwhiteh | it's cold here too |
| 11:27.08 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 11:27.11 | jnwhiteh | cold is relative =) |
| 11:28.27 | Wobin | http://6.media.tumblr.com/i2dw5nf19jfwm2hfg08UTmGEo1_500.jpg |
| 11:28.32 | Wobin | ... Regular flavour? |
| 11:30.00 | Fisker- | there's also bacon with mayonaise flavour |
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| 11:51.52 | Euf | hi all |
| 11:52.11 | Euf | I havent been here in a while...like 2 years since I quited WoW |
| 11:52.27 | Euf | I have question tho |
| 11:52.48 | Euf | Is the issue with tables producing garbage still an issue? |
| 11:52.54 | Euf | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Use_Tables_Without_Generating_Extra_Garbage |
| 11:57.25 | jnwhiteh | That depends on how many tables you are producing |
| 11:57.42 | jnwhiteh | Lua 5.1 introduced incremental garbage collection which got rid of most (if not all) of the problem with excessive tables |
| 11:57.54 | jnwhiteh | what is your application? |
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| 12:00.14 | Wobin | http://www.wimp.com/greatshow/ |
| 12:00.16 | Wobin | very cool |
| 12:00.19 | Wobin | if very creepy |
| 12:01.07 | zenzio | so one of my company's clients have started naming their servers after serial killers... I suppose it's better than their old scheme, where the development server was "boytoy" |
| 12:02.10 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 12:03.49 | ZorbaTHut | is WoW using 5.1's incremental collector? |
| 12:04.30 | jnwhiteh | yes, of course |
| 12:04.36 | jnwhiteh | has been since 2.X |
| 12:05.12 | ZorbaTHut | excellent. I wasn't sure, some people seem to be ridiculously paranoid about using the exact right number of tables and no more :P |
| 12:05.23 | jnwhiteh | well there are still good reasons to care |
| 12:05.31 | jnwhiteh | and careless use of tables can cause serious problems |
| 12:06.14 | ZorbaTHut | such as? |
| 12:06.44 | jnwhiteh | not releasing all references to them, making them grow extremely large and _then_ clearing them (which doesn't shrink them back down) |
| 12:10.02 | ZorbaTHut | ah, righto. yeah, that's standard stuff. although I should rig the QH allocator to dump all its stored tables once in a while |
| 12:10.20 | ZorbaTHut | or, possibly, just disable it. |
| 12:10.32 | jnwhiteh | QH has.. an allocator? |
| 12:11.04 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it's got a little thing that stores "unused" tables and returns them. I've mostly just ignored it, I've always assumed it was put in for performance reasons of one kind or another |
| 12:11.18 | jnwhiteh | Well it probably contributes to issues |
| 12:11.35 | jnwhiteh | Unless the tables are being create/freed in an OnUpdate |
| 12:11.56 | ZorbaTHut | they're not getting freed, they just end up stored in a table full of "available tables" |
| 12:12.00 | ZorbaTHut | but yes, qh does a lot of stuff onupdate |
| 12:12.06 | jnwhiteh | Yes, that's what I'm calling "free" |
| 12:12.15 | foxlit | ^ "would otherwise be" |
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| 12:12.45 | jnwhiteh | I'll just stop thinking about it, that will make me happier =) |
| 12:13.02 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it's one of the things I may go and destroy at some point. :) |
| 12:13.29 | ZorbaTHut | although it does provide a kind of crummy, yet still better than nothing, memory use profiler |
| 12:13.42 | jnwhiteh | well, we get that for free in wow |
| 12:13.55 | jnwhiteh | so implementing your own in Lua is a bit silly |
| 12:13.58 | ZorbaTHut | is there a way to tell where the memory is being used, in a more specific method than "this plugin", though? |
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| 12:14.14 | jnwhiteh | "this addon", no nothing more granular than that |
| 12:14.20 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's why it's useful |
| 12:14.24 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 12:14.44 | Euf | damn, disconnected right after asking a question here :| |
| 12:14.47 | ZorbaTHut | I had a memory leak a while back, I just rigged the allocator to record what line it was being called from, bam, memory leak found and fixed. |
| 12:15.31 | Euf | can anyone tell me if I got an answer concerning a tables in lua? |
| 12:15.36 | jnwhiteh | Euf: yes |
| 12:15.38 | jnwhiteh | 11:57 <@jnwhiteh> That depends on how many tables you are producing |
| 12:15.38 | jnwhiteh | 11:57 <@jnwhiteh> Lua 5.1 introduced incremental garbage collection which got rid of most (if not all) of the problem with excessive tables |
| 12:15.41 | jnwhiteh | 11:57 <@jnwhiteh> what is your application? |
| 12:16.18 | Euf | well, I'm making a custom guild DKP/Loot tracker and bid system |
| 12:16.45 | Euf | and also masterlooter addon will be included |
| 12:17.09 | Euf | so I was thinking of making a table for every loot that droped |
| 12:17.26 | Euf | and also keep track of all bidds on every item for some time |
| 12:17.29 | jnwhiteh | and doing what with them, hopefully not storing them? |
| 12:17.41 | jnwhiteh | and I hope you mean all loot above a certain threshold, not all loot period |
| 12:17.49 | Euf | fcourse |
| 12:17.51 | Euf | only epix |
| 12:18.00 | ZorbaTHut | I bid 0.0004 DKP on those two frostweave cloth |
| 12:18.01 | jnwhiteh | You should not be worrying about optimizing your code before its written |
| 12:18.25 | jnwhiteh | and as long as you aren't producing a new table on every OnUpdate, you shouldn't have a huge problem |
| 12:18.36 | ZorbaTHut | but yeah, as long as you avoid some sort of nasty memory leak, just don't worry about it until it's a problem. storing DKP bid logs is going to take a minimal amount of space anyway. |
| 12:18.54 | Euf | ah, nice |
| 12:19.09 | ZorbaTHut | I guess it might be a problem if you're running a 1500-person guild full of 24/7 hardcore raiders, but assuming you're not, just don't worry about it. |
| 12:20.46 | Euf | btw...does anyone know whats the meaning of the 9th number in item string? on wowwiki there is an old documentation with only 8 numbers |
| 12:21.03 | foxlit | link level |
| 12:21.09 | foxlit | link wowwiki, too! |
| 12:21.51 | foxlit | (as in, link the wowwiki page that lists the 8 numbers) |
| 12:22.00 | Euf | sec |
| 12:22.26 | Euf | internets is a bit slow atm for me |
| 12:23.14 | Euf | http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemString |
| 12:23.45 | Euf | ah, 1st comment might be an answer |
| 12:23.49 | jnwhiteh | The Item String format was changed with the release of API 3.0. A 9th field was added after the uniqueId. This number appears to always be the level of the person that generated the link. This field is only relevant for Bind on Account items that scales with level, since the stats that appears on the tooltip will be dependent on the level of the linker. |
| 12:23.54 | Euf | yeah |
| 12:24.27 | Euf | I didnt get the part about 'A 9th field was added AFTER the uniqueId' |
| 12:24.41 | Euf | and looking @ examples, there are only 8 numbers |
| 12:25.10 | ZorbaTHut | some day they're gonna end up turning that into a key/value system, rather than just grafting on yet more positional variables |
| 12:25.40 | Kalroth | <jnwhiteh> You should not be worrying about optimizing your code before its written |
| 12:25.41 | Kalroth | what! |
| 12:25.41 | Euf | hmmm, I was running my test addon yesterday on naxx raid |
| 12:26.02 | Euf | it just spilled out all Item strings from the loot window |
| 12:26.24 | Euf | at 1 point there was 2 of the same items drop |
| 12:26.40 | Euf | 2 sholder tokens for the same classes |
| 12:26.49 | Euf | they had different 9th number |
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| 12:27.14 | Euf | so I think that 9th number may have more info in it...but not shure tho |
| 12:27.58 | jnwhiteh | Well, when you figure it out update the wiki =) |
| 12:28.50 | Euf | If I do find out, I will :) |
| 12:28.52 | ZorbaTHut | I'd be curious whether they preserved their "9th number" after being looted |
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| 12:30.05 | Euf | 9th number is changing depending on who is linking the item |
| 12:30.46 | ZorbaTHut | is it consistent for a given person? |
| 12:30.56 | ZorbaTHut | might be a player ID or something |
| 12:30.57 | Euf | I linked item to my guildmate, and asked him to relink it bac to test an addon, and the relinked Item string had one extra 0 at the end of the 9th number |
| 12:31.04 | ZorbaTHut | curious |
| 12:31.19 | Euf | idd |
| 12:31.34 | Euf | but I think its consistent to a person linking |
| 12:31.44 | Euf | need to confirm this tho |
| 12:32.00 | jnwhiteh | could be a portion of their GUID or something wacky like that :P |
| 12:32.42 | Euf | I kinda doubt it since the differnece was only 1 extra zero at the end |
| 12:32.49 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, the extra-zero is weird |
| 12:32.50 | foxlit | "This field is only relevant for Bind on Account items that scales with level, since the stats that appears on the tooltip will be dependent on the level of the linker." is what the wiki says |
| 12:32.53 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, it could also be a bug, remember :D |
| 12:33.09 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, it sounds like it's doing something for non-BoA items though |
| 12:33.12 | Tifi | Euf, did you link a boa item? |
| 12:33.32 | Euf | yeah, but item I was using wasnt BoA, it was a small egg (testing on lvl7 shaman) |
| 12:33.45 | Euf | oh |
| 12:33.48 | Euf | hmm |
| 12:33.53 | Euf | lvl7! |
| 12:33.55 | Tifi | get atlasloot and look at boa items |
| 12:33.56 | Euf | GOD DAMN |
| 12:34.14 | foxlit | vs 70? |
| 12:34.17 | Tifi | or just pimp your shaman with those items ^^ |
| 12:34.34 | Euf | It might be against lvl70 |
| 12:34.53 | Euf | or I might lvled to 8 and linked to my guildie lvl80 |
| 12:35.10 | Euf | hmm, I'll do more tests tonight |
| 12:35.39 | Euf | but its hard to find loots with more that 1 of the same items on 2 diferent slots |
| 12:36.19 | Tifi | different slots? |
| 12:36.28 | Euf | Loot window slots |
| 12:36.47 | Euf | like armor tokens in Naxx if both are for the same class |
| 12:37.56 | Euf | anyway...tnx for help with the 'table issue' |
| 12:38.12 | Euf | need food, lunch |
| 12:38.14 | Euf | cy |
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| 12:49.21 | Lothaer | hey guys |
| 12:49.25 | jnwhiteh | heyas |
| 12:49.37 | Lothaer | patch out :D |
| 12:49.39 | Lothaer | 3.9 |
| 12:49.46 | Lothaer | 3.0.9 |
| 12:50.55 | jnwhiteh | old news is old :P |
| 12:52.04 | Lothaer | lol |
| 12:52.32 | Lothaer | how hard is it to make a slash command to disable chat spam in a mod? |
| 12:52.52 | foxlit | /magic always works for me |
| 12:53.16 | jnwhiteh | Depends on what you're asking Lothaer |
| 12:53.16 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 12:53.44 | jnwhiteh | Are you writing an addon and want to have a slash command to diasble/enable spam messages? |
| 12:54.40 | Lothaer | well my mod ComeHere sends what your hear (Come Here!!!) to say chat i wanna add a slash command to disable the chat report |
| 12:54.50 | jnwhiteh | Okay.. |
| 12:54.53 | Lothaer | i wanna add it to a already existing mod |
| 12:54.59 | jnwhiteh | so have a slash command that toggles a variable |
| 12:55.02 | Lothaer | i just dont know how |
| 12:55.05 | jnwhiteh | and then change your prnit function to check that variable before printing |
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| 12:56.15 | jnwhiteh | SLASH_MONKEY1 = "/monkey"; SlashCmdList["MONKEY"] = function(txt) if txt:lower():match("debug") then MONKEY_DEBUG = not MONKEY_DEBUG end end; function myDebugPrint(...) if MONKEY_DEBUG then print(...) end end |
| 12:56.31 | jnwhiteh | then call myDebugPrint() instead of print() or ChatFrame1:Addmessage() |
| 12:56.36 | jnwhiteh | and toggle messages on/off with /monkey debug |
| 12:56.42 | jnwhiteh | tho you'll probably want to add feedback |
| 12:57.17 | jnwhiteh | SLASH_MONKEY1 = "/monkey"; SlashCmdList["MONKEY"] = function(txt) if txt:lower():match("debug") then MONKEY_DEBUG = not MONKEY_DEBUG; print("Debug messages set " .. MONKEY_DEBUG and "on" or "off); end end; function myDebugPrint(...) if MONKEY_DEBUG then print(...) end end |
| 12:57.21 | jnwhiteh | like that or somethign |
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| 13:01.26 | Lothaer | ok does this make sence? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/108025 |
| 13:01.31 | Lothaer | probably not lol |
| 13:02.09 | jnwhiteh | close |
| 13:02.14 | jnwhiteh | you can't just make up the global names for the slash commadn |
| 13:02.19 | jnwhiteh | they haev to be very specific |
| 13:02.25 | jnwhiteh | SLASH_SOMETEXT1 |
| 13:02.27 | jnwhiteh | SLASH_SOMETEXT2 |
| 13:02.46 | jnwhiteh | you can do SLASH_ComeHere1 |
| 13:02.50 | jnwhiteh | but not just SLASH_ComeHere |
| 13:03.11 | jnwhiteh | it should be ComeHere_DEBUG = not ComHere_DEBUG |
| 13:03.14 | jnwhiteh | one line for that |
| 13:03.18 | jnwhiteh | since you're negating the current value |
| 13:03.28 | jnwhiteh | i.e. turning if off if its on, and vice versa |
| 13:03.42 | jnwhiteh | your line breaks and indentation are weird |
| 13:04.07 | foxlit | I'm so stealing that line break style |
| 13:04.15 | jnwhiteh | Are you trying to optionally SAY someting |
| 13:04.19 | jnwhiteh | instead or print to the chat frame |
| 13:04.26 | jnwhiteh | cause that's different, and what you have won't accomplish that, yes. |
| 13:04.51 | Lothaer | i just want to disable all chat messages |
| 13:05.00 | Lothaer | some players like it some dont i want them to have the option |
| 13:05.18 | jnwhiteh | What do you mean by "chat message" |
| 13:05.30 | jnwhiteh | SendChatMessage() is completely different than something bring printed to the chat frame |
| 13:05.36 | jnwhiteh | but the principle is the same |
| 13:05.49 | jnwhiteh | You can make the slash command handler do whatever you want |
| 13:05.56 | jnwhiteh | ther'es a reasonably good example of slash commands in the book |
| 13:05.59 | Lothaer | ywah i want to disable the SendChatMessage() stuff |
| 13:06.24 | Lothaer | unfortunately i dont have the book yet |
| 13:06.52 | jnwhiteh | Well the first thing is if you want this setting to persist across sessions, it needs to be in a SavedVariable |
| 13:07.11 | jnwhiteh | Second, if you want to guard something like that, you just need to have a setting.. and then check it before actually doing it |
| 13:07.31 | Olorin` | why not just write your own output function and put an if OutputOn=1 then SendChat... |
| 13:07.44 | jnwhiteh | Olorin`: because that's exactly what I just said? |
| 13:07.51 | Lothaer | ? |
| 13:08.02 | Olorin` | sorry not awake yet |
| 13:21.04 | jnwhiteh | bbiab |
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| 13:23.35 | Lothaer | does anyone know what changed in this patch? |
| 13:27.10 | Lothaer | Inner Fire duration has been increased to 30 minutes and can no longer dispelled. |
| 13:27.15 | Lothaer | that has to be fake |
| 13:28.29 | Lothaer | but its not lol cause its in the patch.txt file :D |
| 13:28.50 | Spellbinder | patch isnt live yet |
| 13:28.56 | Spellbinder | oh you guys are US? |
| 13:29.25 | Lothaer | US |
| 13:29.33 | Lothaer | well technically AU :D |
| 13:29.52 | Spellbinder | i saw seal spell is will get a duration of 30 min too and can not be dispelled |
| 13:29.58 | Spellbinder | kk |
| 13:30.08 | Spellbinder | i'm EU, patch go live tonight |
| 13:30.13 | Spellbinder | 14:30:04 GMT+1 10/02/2009 |
| 13:30.13 | Spellbinder | !time |
| 13:30.58 | Lothaer | The duration on all Seals has been increased to 30 minutes and can |
| 13:30.58 | Lothaer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.34 | Spellbinder | yeah what i said |
| 13:31.42 | Spellbinder | thats* |
| 13:31.50 | Lothaer | :P |
| 13:32.30 | Spellbinder | i'm just waiting for "Love is in the air" |
| 13:32.58 | Spellbinder | to farm romantic picnick basket |
| 13:33.09 | Spellbinder | haven't played in a week or sum |
| 13:35.07 | Olorin` | duration on seals change /cheer, number of times i try to cast judement and found its run out lol |
| 13:35.31 | Spellbinder | gg :) |
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| 13:49.48 | mikma | so, anyone plays DK and arenas? |
| 13:50.11 | Lothaer | i dont and no AotD dosnt work in arenas :S |
| 13:50.29 | mikma | i know, cause i play dk and arenas ;) |
| 13:50.34 | Lothaer | lol |
| 13:50.41 | Lothaer | imho that totally sucks |
| 13:50.51 | mikma | i was just wondering have other people noticed that Raise Ally works |
| 13:50.57 | Lothaer | imo all classes should have full use of their abilities |
| 13:51.14 | mikma | we won many games because i raised my dead friend as ghoul to fight with me |
| 13:52.15 | Lothaer | lol |
| 13:52.18 | mikma | well if we look it like that, i think arenas should be round, completely clear areas where you fight |
| 13:52.24 | mikma | in gladiator style |
| 13:52.29 | Zyndrome | on top of a huge pillar |
| 13:52.34 | mikma | uh! |
| 13:52.35 | Lothaer | omg yes |
| 13:52.35 | Lothaer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.53 | mikma | that would just end up priest MC everyone down |
| 13:53.01 | Zyndrome | thunderstormlol |
| 13:53.10 | mikma | typhoon |
| 13:53.15 | Zyndrome | but yeah, an arena like the STV arena |
| 13:53.36 | Lothaer | besides the priest and paladin changes in this patch theres nothing really OMG in it :D |
| 13:54.11 | Zyndrome | but why am I even caring about arena, havn't played a single game since forever |
| 13:54.18 | Zyndrome | due to it being shit |
| 13:54.37 | mikma | lothaer: there really is actually :) |
| 13:54.45 | Lothaer | yeah its like hey were gonna gimp your class and make you fight to the death |
| 13:54.47 | mikma | no more AP+PoM+Pyro instakills |
| 13:55.05 | Lothaer | although im pretty sure that a 5v5 DK team all poping Aotd at the same time would be a bit OP lol |
| 13:55.23 | Lothaer | mikma: what ones? |
| 13:55.35 | Zyndrome | and if you show up on the pvp-forums, and make a thread with valid points on game balance, people just "ROFL 1500 RATING /ignore", before reading the post |
| 13:55.43 | mikma | Arcane Power and Presence of Mind now share a category cooldown. Arcane Power causes a 15 second cooldown. Presence of Mind, once consumed, causes a 1.5 second cooldown. |
| 13:56.01 | Lothaer | thats a nerf right? |
| 13:56.04 | mikma | nerf |
| 13:56.17 | Lothaer | mages gonna QQ lo |
| 13:56.24 | mikma | yeah, alot |
| 13:56.30 | mikma | "who will i kill now?!??" |
| 13:56.39 | mikma | Mutilate damage will now do 20% increased damage against poisoned targets, down from 50%. |
| 13:56.42 | mikma | nerf |
| 13:56.46 | Lothaer | im happy that there were no DK changes and a slight priest buff as they are my main toons :D |
| 13:56.48 | mikma | Curse of Tongues: Now increases the casting time of all spells by 25% (Rank 1) and 30% (Rank 2), down from 50% and 60%. |
| 13:56.51 | mikma | nerf |
| 13:56.54 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.57 | mikma | nerf |
| 13:57.03 | mikma | lots of *COOL* stuff imho |
| 13:57.10 | Lothaer | lol |
| 13:57.19 | mikma | ferocious bite with full energy = ouch |
| 13:57.24 | Lothaer | i suppose the FM Ticket changes is kinda cool D: |
| 13:57.32 | mikma | that'll drop 1-2k off from crits according to my friend |
| 13:58.03 | Lothaer | GM* |
| 13:58.51 | mikma | huh? what changes |
| 13:59.16 | Lopeppeppy | You can't see them when they talk to you if you have a custom UI. That seems to be the biggest change to me. |
| 13:59.30 | mikma | .. hah! |
| 14:00.08 | Lothaer | - The GM wishes to speak with you alert/button, at the top of the |
| 14:00.08 | Lothaer | screen, has been changed so that addons do not obscure it. |
| 14:00.08 | Lothaer | - A clickable chat message has been added that duplicates the GM |
| 14:00.09 | Lothaer | alert/button. |
| 14:00.09 | Lothaer | - When a GM wishes to speak with you the Help Request minibar button |
| 14:00.09 | Lothaer | will glow. |
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| 14:00.30 | Lopeppeppy | IF you have the minibar showing! So lovely. |
| 14:00.33 | mikma | yeah, but didn't know custom ui would fook it |
| 14:00.50 | Lothaer | i hide my minibar :D |
| 14:00.54 | Lothaer | <3 BT4 |
| 14:01.03 | Lopeppeppy | Custom UIs totally frelled with that. As they will with the minibar, because 90% of those with a custom setup hide that useless bar. |
| 14:01.55 | mikma | cairenn: bad cairenn! bad! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5754666773&sid=1 |
| 14:02.07 | Lothaer | i use Golden Ticket |
| 14:02.13 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: what do you mean "useless"? |
| 14:02.22 | mikma | lothaer: Last Action Hero ftw |
| 14:02.26 | Lopeppeppy | Hotkeys = do not waste real estate |
| 14:02.37 | Lopeppeppy | Bad Cairenn, but awesome Zoot! |
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| 14:03.32 | mikma | lopeppeppy: ooh, gz for the MVP :P haven't noticed before |
| 14:03.49 | Lothaer | mikmaL ? |
| 14:04.04 | mikma | lothaerL ? |
| 14:04.15 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, my sweet baboo... welcome to a year and 2 weeks ago! *laugh* |
| 14:04.22 | Lothaer | what about Last Action Hero.... besides being a awesome movie :D |
| 14:04.29 | mikma | lopeppeppy: "haven't noticed before" |
| 14:04.37 | mikma | lopeppeppy: it has golden ticket with magical powers in it |
| 14:04.50 | mikma | lothaer: ----^for you |
| 14:04.51 | Lopeppeppy | That's just 'cause Unkle posts faster than I do when we're both at work! |
| 14:05.11 | Lothaer | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12380-GoldenTicket.html |
| 14:05.20 | mikma | yeh |
| 14:06.29 | Lothaer | so is it offical Fubar is dead? |
| 14:06.51 | mikma | ask from ckknight, he'll know |
| 14:07.18 | mikma | but as long as you have NinjaPanel is all good baby |
| 14:07.29 | Lothaer | Titan ftw :P |
| 14:07.33 | Lopeppeppy | I use SL Datatext. |
| 14:08.51 | Lothaer | Titan For Life :D |
| 14:09.05 | Tain | Titan has never been "ftw", even when it was the only thing available. |
| 14:09.21 | Lothaer | i tried fubar once and it ah... fubar'd my UI :D |
| 14:09.25 | zenzio | I never used a bar mod at all |
| 14:09.39 | Lothaer | Taid: have u used it lately? |
| 14:09.45 | Lothaer | Tain* |
| 14:10.11 | Tain | No, there's no reason to. |
| 14:11.31 | mikma | whats the addon again that tracks how people died? |
| 14:11.45 | Euf | GrimReaper? |
| 14:12.06 | Lothaer | lol, well ever since Tristanin and HonorGog got it and removed the junk cleaned up the code, made it more stable uses Ace3 and alot more cleaning and junk removale its better then its ever been and probably better than most other bar mods tbh |
| 14:12.14 | mikma | it's on wowinterface |
| 14:12.47 | Lothaer | no its not |
| 14:13.02 | mikma | not titan, the addon i'm talking about |
| 14:13.10 | Lothaer | i know |
| 14:13.52 | Lothaer | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/grim-reaper.aspx |
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| 14:14.00 | mikma | no, it's not that. |
| 14:15.24 | Tifi | recount can track that |
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| 14:16.01 | mikma | but there is an addon in wowi that tracks how people died |
| 14:16.04 | Euf | recount tracks deaths, not the reasons of deaths (afaik) |
| 14:16.06 | mikma | it has short name :P |
| 14:16.33 | Tifi | Euf, you can make it track deaths and a few actions before the death occured |
| 14:16.34 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9552-Acheron.html |
| 14:16.37 | foxlit | both, really |
| 14:16.46 | Tifi | i believe that's enabled by default for players |
| 14:16.56 | foxlit | recount death logs do exist, though I should probably update it to include SoD |
| 14:17.15 | Euf | oh? hmm, I'll need to research on recount then |
| 14:18.37 | Tifi | when you click on a player bar on the deaths tab you get a list of deaths and their logs |
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| 14:46.05 | Lopeppeppy | I think recount bundles GrimReaper in to do that, but that might be old info. |
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| 14:51.39 | Tifi | lua> local f; f=function(t) print(t[1]) return f end; f{'hello'}{'world'} |
| 14:51.39 | lua_bot | Tifi: hello, world |
| 14:51.44 | Tifi | heh |
| 14:52.27 | Tifi | lua> local f; f=function(s) print(s) return f end; f'hello''world' |
| 14:52.27 | lua_bot | Tifi: hello, world |
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| 15:05.20 | Adys | you can call objects directly like that? O_o |
| 15:06.58 | jnwhiteh | you can pass tables and strings as arguments to functions like that, yes |
| 15:07.06 | jnwhiteh | lua> print "hello" |
| 15:07.06 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: hello |
| 15:07.10 | jnwhiteh | lua> print {} |
| 15:07.10 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: table: 0x80a20e0 |
| 15:07.26 | Adys | why? |
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| 15:07.51 | jnwhiteh | because they wanted to allow it |
| 15:07.55 | jnwhiteh | and it doesn't make the grammar ambiguous |
| 15:08.12 | jnwhiteh | So you can write a class function and then do something like |
| 15:08.15 | jnwhiteh | class "Button" |
| 15:08.23 | jnwhiteh | and then it does setfenv and other magic to make your file a class definition |
| 15:08.35 | jnwhiteh | Lua was designed initially as a DDL and having it makes some things much nicer |
| 15:08.52 | jnwhiteh | Frame:SetBackdrop{edgeFile = "Interface\\Icons\\Foo"} |
| 15:08.58 | jnwhiteh | as far as some are concerned |
| 15:09.22 | Adys | still feels kinda weird |
| 15:09.38 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 15:09.41 | jnwhiteh | I don't use it |
| 15:09.51 | jnwhiteh | haste is obsessed with it :P |
| 15:09.57 | Adys | lol |
| 15:10.44 | Euf | that kinda reminds me of ioccc competition :| |
| 15:11.00 | Euf | how to make code more unreadable |
| 15:11.09 | haste | no I'm not! |
| 15:11.56 | jnwhiteh | you use it all over oUF |
| 15:12.01 | jnwhiteh | in layouts at least :P |
| 15:12.28 | Adys | lua> print\n"test" |
| 15:12.28 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: '=' expected near '\' |
| 15:12.40 | Adys | meh |
| 15:13.15 | haste | on it's mostly only on frame code :p |
| 15:13.39 | haste | since those are 100% static |
| 15:13.49 | haste | and I usually don't do func{} :p |
| 15:14.27 | haste | then again, I usually never do func({}) either |
| 15:14.51 | Adys | ~haste{++} |
| 15:14.59 | haste | typing the () are usually too much effort tho' :( |
| 15:15.05 | haste | they are so horribly placed on all layouts |
| 15:15.12 | Adys | ()[]{}«» |
| 15:15.14 | Adys | devrix! |
| 15:15.15 | haste | so just doing func'' is so much faster :p |
| 15:15.38 | haste | Adys: what? |
| 15:15.49 | Adys | haste: |
| 15:15.54 | Adys | |
| 15:15.55 | Adys | er |
| 15:15.59 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/devrix.c |
| 15:15.59 | Fisker- | haste |
| 15:16.01 | haste | fail paste :3 |
| 15:16.03 | Fisker- | ~haste |
| 15:16.04 | purl | a very pervert guy, he always makes porn voices on Ventrilo. |
| 15:16.15 | Adys | what's a porn voice? |
| 15:16.23 | haste | I have no idea |
| 15:16.32 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.34 | Fisker- | ~literal haste |
| 15:16.34 | purl | "haste" is "<reply>a very pervert guy, he always makes porn voices on Ventrilo." |
| 15:16.34 | Adys | jesus |
| 15:16.53 | haste | someone posted it on the realm forums ages ago :p |
| 15:16.55 | Adys | Advertising: ' Hungry, Wall Street?' The Sexy Porn Voice Of Capitalism ... |
| 15:17.02 | Fisker- | purl, no haste is <reply>a very pervert guy, he always makes porn voices on Ventrilo. Most people dont like him. |
| 15:17.03 | purl | Fisker-: okay |
| 15:17.06 | Fisker- | ~haste |
| 15:17.07 | purl | a very pervert guy, he always makes porn voices on Ventrilo. Most people dont like him. |
| 15:17.07 | haste | it had descriptions on most of the active members |
| 15:17.11 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 15:17.12 | haste | haha |
| 15:17.17 | haste | ~emulate haste |
| 15:17.18 | purl | :---------( |
| 15:17.29 | Fisker- | long nose = long |
| 15:17.48 | Adys | haste: nethertheless, this layout is awesome |
| 15:17.56 | Adys | for python, lua, perl |
| 15:18.13 | haste | Adys: only one issue, my linux box is without a graphics card atm, so I'm on a temp. windows box |
| 15:18.24 | haste | _and_ I use colemak, so I would have to change stuff around |
| 15:18.39 | haste | and I have no idea how windows does keyboard layouts |
| 15:18.42 | Adys | oh you dont use one of those retarded layouts |
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| 15:19.11 | haste | D: |
| 15:19.32 | Adys | qwerty is fine, who has problems typing regular latin alphabet anyway? |
| 15:19.33 | Lopeppeppy | Hiya, Seerah! |
| 15:19.43 | Adys | the annoying stuff = special chars |
| 15:19.49 | haste | I do, with my right hand |
| 15:20.08 | Adys | of course you do |
| 15:20.12 | Adys | you use a retarded layout |
| 15:20.18 | haste | I can barely write two pages by hand |
| 15:20.25 | haste | I don't move my hand much with this layout |
| 15:20.47 | Adys | nor me |
| 15:20.48 | Adys | :P |
| 15:21.07 | haste | qwerty requires a lot more hand-movement :( |
| 15:21.19 | Adys | not really |
| 15:21.58 | Adys | my right hand covers the 6 rightmost rows, doing most of the special char typing |
| 15:22.59 | Adys | i got access to altgr and hardshift from it, 6 leftmost rows on the left hand pretty much exclusively letters apart from > and < chars |
| 15:23.43 | Adys | its actually really nice, a lefty will have an easier time typing on it and a righty will be more comfortable with special chars |
| 15:24.50 | haste | I don't see a reason to learn yet another layout just so I can do func({}) tho' :p |
| 15:25.11 | Adys | i made this layout to type @ easily |
| 15:25.36 | Adys | and honestly, the best that came out of it was @ and (){}[] |
| 15:25.39 | haste | and I don't think windows has any easy way to change the layout |
| 15:25.44 | Adys | it does |
| 15:25.46 | Adys | some program for it |
| 15:25.59 | Adys | except, i dont remember the url, its on ms.com |
| 15:26.32 | Adys | and its not using those C layouts, just some custom yamlish format |
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| 15:33.02 | sioraiocht | shammy question: What are the stats to focus on for enhancement 70-80? |
| 15:33.51 | Adys | i'd randomly say spirit |
| 15:33.55 | sioraiocht | lol |
| 15:34.10 | sioraiocht | where's Industrial, i bet he knows, =p |
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| 15:34.53 | Lopeppeppy | Or Lunessa, perhaps. |
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| 15:37.37 | Lopeppeppy | I'm assuming you've already been through WoWWiki and the EJ section. |
| 15:37.38 | Seerah | mornin' peppy |
| 15:38.07 | Elkano | morning Seerah :) |
| 15:38.18 | Seerah | hi elk |
| 15:39.01 | Elkano | anyone els reported to you that sometimes the talent line is 'outside' the tooltip meaning the tooltip isn't resized correctly after it was added? |
| 15:39.33 | Elkano | most of the time it's working as intended but sometimes it seems to fail |
| 15:42.21 | sioraiocht | Lopeppeppy: the wowwiki section was a bit outdated |
| 15:42.28 | sioraiocht | and most of EJ is geared toward end-game |
| 15:42.36 | mikma | http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1562587976?bctid=10495363001 |
| 15:42.41 | mikma | spoiler: no-one gets hurt |
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| 15:44.58 | Seerah | Elkano: nope... any other mods that touch the tooltip, or is this with only tiptop? |
| 15:45.23 | Elkano | well, none that should affect unit tips I think |
| 15:47.00 | Thrae | Elkano: When are you ever going to help me with TinyTip? |
| 15:47.02 | Seerah | *should* and *do* are two different things ;) |
| 15:50.40 | Cairenn | sheesh, stop giving me a rough time over that thread - look at the date on it :p |
| 15:51.04 | sioraiocht | also, I find that I run out of mana...a lot...is this a normal problem for an elemental shammy? |
| 15:51.35 | Cairenn | :) |
| 15:55.14 | Lopeppeppy | sioraiocht, I do find that the elementals I run with have mana issues in small groups. Costs a lot to pump out the huge dpses. |
| 15:55.18 | Tifi | is there no event when your cast times change? i tried SPELL_UPDATE_USABLE (fires when gaining heroism) and UNIT_AURA, but the return value of GetSpellInfo doesn't change |
| 15:56.05 | zenzelezz | that sounds really naughty |
| 15:56.15 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, only to you! |
| 15:56.18 | sioraiocht | cheers Lopeppeppy = |
| 15:56.19 | sioraiocht | ) |
| 15:56.29 | zenzelezz | but that's all that matters to me Lopeppeppy |
| 16:02.35 | Adys | Tifi: getspellinfo returns different data than the char panel |
| 16:02.44 | Adys | getspellinfo takes in account your stats, not buffs |
| 16:03.07 | Adys | afaik anyway |
| 16:03.07 | Thrae | Adys: You could help out, too. |
| 16:03.18 | Adys | your mom could help out |
| 16:03.28 | Tifi | getspellinfo takes everything into account, but apparently takes a while |
| 16:03.28 | Seerah | help with what, Thrae? |
| 16:03.53 | Adys | Tifi: tried tooltip scanning see if it gives different values? |
| 16:04.14 | Tifi | yikes no |
| 16:04.50 | Thrae | The ressurection of TinyTip. |
| 16:05.52 | Seerah | what did you need help with, though, about it? |
| 16:06.00 | Tifi | when gaining heroism there's a 400ms gap between UNIT_AURA and the corresponding UNIT_ATTACK_SPEED event |
| 16:06.28 | Tifi | i guess it's the same for the spell haste effect |
| 16:08.06 | Thrae | Seerah: I just don't have time to work on it as much as I want to, so I'm looking for volunteers to help. It's PD anyway. |
| 16:08.34 | Seerah | ahhh |
| 16:09.11 | Seerah | I'm sure you'll find someone - pretty much everyone has used TinyTip at one point or another ;) |
| 16:09.15 | Thrae | "twobits" already contacted me on curse and is pushing out patches for WotLK. |
| 16:13.14 | zenzelezz | what's TinyTip? |
| 16:13.50 | Seerah | ~poke zenzelezz |
| 16:13.51 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind zenzelezz, pokes zenzelezz repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 16:21.29 | Tifi | Adys, btw it's the other way round, on the char panel you only see haste from rating, while GetSpellInfo takes everything into account |
| 16:21.40 | Adys | fail |
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| 16:47.11 | cog|work | anyone else ever write weird fractions on checks instead of xx/100 ? e.g. for 210.11 you could put Two Hundred Ten and 1/9 |
| 16:48.42 | jnwhiteh | No, never |
| 16:48.43 | zenzelezz | I don't think anyone uses checks over here anymore |
| 16:49.09 | jnwhiteh | free wires for the win |
| 16:49.11 | jnwhiteh | the US needs to catch up |
| 16:49.16 | jnwhiteh | in that regards, at least |
| 16:49.26 | jnwhiteh | I'll refrain from making larger sensationalist statements =0 |
| 16:49.30 | Lopeppeppy | I use checks for very minimal things, and I always do xx/100 and then squiggle the rest of the line. |
| 16:49.33 | zenzelezz | but apparently balancing your checkbooks is a lot of fun! |
| 16:52.00 | MentalPower | only thing I use checks for is for setting up paycheck auto-deposits |
| 16:52.27 | jnwhiteh | MentalPower: we just give our employer our SORT code and account number (possibly the IBAN) and it's all done =) |
| 16:53.02 | MentalPower | the form to set that up has those fields, but they still require a voided check :/ |
| 16:53.30 | jnwhiteh | its so nice being able to pay friends via wire |
| 16:54.33 | Lopeppeppy | I use checks for rent,and anything I want to track easily for purposes of the divorce (lawyer payments, etc). Everything else is straight debit. |
| 16:55.21 | Lopeppeppy | bbiab, lunches! |
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| 17:02.25 | Hirsute | MentalPower: You can usually get your bank/credit union to print a check out for you, I've donethat in the past, and they accepted that as my voided check. |
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| 17:41.21 | Tifi | does anyone know what's happening to wws? apparently their forums are down a couple days now, but i don't have to wait anymore for reports to load (yay), and they seem to be implementing new features |
| 17:42.16 | nevcairiel | they probably turned off forums to stop people complaining |
| 17:42.53 | nevcairiel | they even removed the forum link, ha |
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| 17:48.14 | Shirik|zZz | I'm done, no more staying at school until 5 AM |
| 17:48.23 | nevcairiel | you wish |
| 17:49.02 | nevcairiel | its your own damn fault for doing that in the first place =P |
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| 18:14.03 | Lunessa | station |
| 18:16.47 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa! |
| 18:17.02 | Lunessa | Hi hi Lopeppeppy. |
| 18:17.02 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: February 10th, 2009 10:15am PSTWe will be extending the regularly scheduled maintenance by two hours and expect to have all realms available at approximately 1:00pm PST.Thank you,Blizzard Entertainment |
| 18:17.02 | Shiibot | February 9th, 2009 4:30pm PSTWe will be performing maintenance for all realms on Tuesday, February 10th. The downtime will begin at 3:00am PST and end at approximately 11:00am PST.Thank you,Blizzard Entertainment |
| 18:17.02 | Shiibot | February 3rd, 2009 9:15pm PST |
| 18:17.30 | Lunessa | Today is Doomwalker - "Do not proceed. You will be eliminated." |
| 18:17.36 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 18:18.08 | selckin | i never did doomwalker :\ |
| 18:18.21 | durcyn | you missed nothing. |
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| 18:18.54 | ccox | doomwalker - not that hard if you have a raiding guild to take him down |
| 18:19.01 | selckin | just funny, cleared everything, never did the outdoor bosses even once |
| 18:19.02 | ccox | doomwalker with a PUG == hilarity |
| 18:19.17 | ccox | (and repair bills) |
| 18:19.54 | sacarasc | Doomwalker with 10 melee dps = 10 dead melee dps soon enough |
| 18:20.37 | ccox | you need 5 or 6 tanks to keep him focussed (and to take over when one dies, or he charges) |
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| 18:21.50 | cog|work | RAWR |
| 18:23.12 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR |
| 18:23.20 | durcyn | you only needed two, maybe three tanks at 70 if you weren't using a retarded strategy |
| 18:23.58 | ccox | if he charges away from the main tank, you need the extras to pick him up and move him back quickly |
| 18:24.18 | ccox | 2-3 can't provide enough coverage |
| 18:24.23 | durcyn | yes, that's why you put half the raid north, the other half south, then have your off tanks with each |
| 18:24.41 | durcyn | oh well, moot point now. |
| 18:24.43 | ccox | that's just asking for AOE wipes |
| 18:24.56 | alestane | ...RRAAWWRR!! |
| 18:25.25 | ccox | anyway, that was all at 70, with some 80s in the group it probably doesn't matter |
| 18:25.48 | durcyn | it's three-mannable now, trivially. |
| 18:25.49 | cog|work | ~huggle Lunessa |
| 18:27.02 | Lunessa | For giggles last week two friends and I cleared AQ-20. |
| 18:27.21 | Kirov | zomg, tornadoes! |
| 18:27.48 | Lopeppeppy | Tail? |
| 18:28.08 | alestane | Lunessa: I've been talking with my two friends about whether we could take Kurinaxx with just the three of us at 71. |
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| 18:28.40 | Lunessa | 1 tank, 1 healer, 1 DPS sure. The tricky bit is not getting silenced. |
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| 18:29.12 | alestane | One tank good enough in spite of the debuff? We were talking about having the druid and the pally trade tank and healer. |
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| 18:29.56 | SenoraRaton | ls |
| 18:31.19 | alestane | dr-xr-x--- 08/14/2007 1k allyourbase.d |
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| 18:31.54 | sacarasc | ls wouldn't show that... You'd need -hl |
| 18:32.04 | sacarasc | And that's still missing a few things |
| 18:32.28 | alestane | Well, that's true. But the authentic output wouldn't be as funny. |
| 18:32.59 | alestane | And I wasn't about to make the joke wait on me going and looking up the proper format for ls -l output. |
| 18:33.07 | SenoraRaton | :P |
| 18:33.39 | Lunessa | alestane: We did it with me (enhancement shaman), Prot tank, Resto druid. The fight took 35-40 seconds. |
| 18:33.40 | SenoraRaton | My brain said it would list the contents of the chat. >.< |
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| 18:34.30 | alestane | I have a sidebar window for that. |
| 18:35.47 | alestane | Lunessa: Prot warrior or Prot pally? |
| 18:35.47 | SenoraRaton | Yeah so do I.... When I run the blizzard MPQ unpacker, does it drop the files in the WoW folder? |
| 18:36.02 | Lunessa | alestane: Bah, I meant to type warrior. |
| 18:36.03 | alestane | In folders in the WoW folder, yes. |
| 18:36.20 | alestane | Lunessa: And were you all 80? |
| 18:37.27 | Lunessa | Ales yes. the druid and I were pretty well-geared. The warrior not as much, but at the 540 defense mark. |
| 18:37.34 | SenoraRaton | What fight? |
| 18:37.56 | selckin | aq20 i think :\ |
| 18:38.15 | alestane | So doing it at 71 might still pose at least a little of a challenge. |
| 18:38.57 | selckin | i've duoed it at 70 |
| 18:39.18 | alestane | But it won't be reduced to *splat* smooshed earwig. |
| 18:42.30 | Lunessa | alestane: at 70, not that fast, but doable for sure. |
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| 18:46.49 | SenoraRaton | When they took of scaling for Factions, did they remove the scaling based on faction level too? |
| 18:47.03 | SenoraRaton | So I can still get rep past revered with Timbermaw, I.E.? |
| 18:47.07 | Lunessa | No. |
| 18:47.22 | Lunessa | When a mob stops giving rep, it stops giving rep. |
| 18:47.48 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, they only thing they got rid of was the gray-level repgain reduction |
| 18:47.49 | SenoraRaton | But they made it feasiable to get old world faction at 80, like MC etc...? |
| 18:48.01 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 18:48.27 | ZorbaTHut | less frustrating, yes. you'll have to get as many kills, of the same monsters, as a player of the appropriate level would have to. instead of five times as many. |
| 18:48.35 | ZorbaTHut | and you'll be able to kill them faster 'cause you're higher level, obviously :) |
| 18:49.03 | SenoraRaton | So no sense in grinding faction till 80.:p Well no sense period but.... |
| 18:49.31 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it's pretty much strictly better to just level to 80, then grind from there |
| 18:49.43 | alestane | Lunessa: I found that they significantly increased those limits in a previous patch. |
| 18:49.53 | ZorbaTHut | if you can pick up faction with xp-giving quests on the way, it won't hurt, but it's not really worth going out of the way for |
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| 18:50.29 | Lunessa | alestane: I know. Goblin reps for pirates lasts until 11,999 / 12,000. Which sucks, 'cause I'd already done all their damned quests. |
| 18:50.31 | alestane | I was still getting CC rep for Twilight Cultists up to exalted post-3.0, where before I believe they were only good to honored. |
| 18:51.01 | Lunessa | Yes, Twilight's Hammer cultists in Silithus are 10 a pop now. |
| 18:51.27 | alestane | I was getting 2-3, but that was because they were grey before. |
| 18:51.38 | SenoraRaton | Can I test my mod's offline, without logging into WoW/having connection? |
| 18:51.40 | Lunessa | And they always went to exalted. It just took forever. |
| 18:53.11 | ZorbaTHut | senora, not in any practical generally-useful way, no |
| 18:53.43 | SenoraRaton | >.< I'm sick of unsuppourted UI mods. |
| 18:54.46 | foxlit | I'm sick of supporting sick people. |
| 18:54.56 | Lunessa | foxlit: You' |
| 18:55.10 | ZorbaTHut | I'm sick of not having infinite cpu power :( |
| 18:55.11 | Lunessa | You're a better man than I. I wouldn't have release Opie. |
| 18:55.21 | ZorbaTHut | it'd be so much more convenient |
| 18:56.32 | SenoraRaton | Lame.... Downtime extended till 4 |
| 18:57.35 | SenoraRaton | So I can't sandbox and play around with UI modding while the servers are down, my plan fails.:( |
| 18:57.53 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, pretty much. I'm annoyed by it too, I've got work I want to do |
| 18:58.06 | ZorbaTHut | I can work on my backend a little, but I'm basically out of backend stuff I can play around with :( |
| 18:58.40 | SenoraRaton | I have no idea what I'm doing, just was bored waiting on the server. >.< Its hard to learn without doing anything |
| 18:59.02 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not sure "hard" is the word I'd use, I'd lean more towards "impossible" :) |
| 18:59.34 | Olorin` | well at least theyve updated the patch notes finally |
| 18:59.40 | SenoraRaton | Really? |
| 18:59.58 | Olorin` | 3.0.9 yes http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/ |
| 19:00.38 | ZorbaTHut | major curse of tongues nerf |
| 19:01.00 | jnwhiteh | major all cast reduction debuffs nerd |
| 19:01.01 | jnwhiteh | nerf |
| 19:01.10 | ZorbaTHut | ah, yeah, rogues too |
| 19:01.17 | ZorbaTHut | won't that make some achievements much harder to do? |
| 19:01.45 | foxlit | just one, iirc |
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| 19:02.07 | ZorbaTHut | anub'arak and herald volazj, I think |
| 19:02.18 | foxlit | anub'awho? |
| 19:02.23 | ZorbaTHut | oh, and moorabi |
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| 19:02.37 | ZorbaTHut | the big beetle in AN |
| 19:02.56 | ZorbaTHut | I seem to recall that one technique for his kill-him-within-X-minutes achievement was delaying his Burrow so you could skip an entire burrow phase |
| 19:03.04 | ZorbaTHut | same deal with volazj |
| 19:03.15 | foxlit | I doubt that was intended. |
| 19:03.29 | foxlit | Volazj achievement is just plain odd |
| 19:03.48 | ZorbaTHut | looks like they increased the time limit, it would've been basically impossible now if they hadn't |
| 19:04.02 | ZorbaTHut | so I'm guessing it was intended, but they decided they didn't like the mechanic. |
| 19:04.31 | foxlit | Meh, baseless guess |
| 19:05.21 | ZorbaTHut | true, but I can't think of a better interpretation for "nerf the way it used to be done, but make it easier at the same time" |
| 19:05.59 | foxlit | The timer was unreasonable in the first place |
| 19:06.38 | foxlit | The "apply DPS quick enough to bug our encounter logic" strategy sounds more like an unexpected problem than the intended mechanic |
| 19:07.09 | ZorbaTHut | possibly, yeah |
| 19:09.12 | Lunessa | That encounter was killer the first few times I tried it. Now, meh easy emblems. |
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| 19:10.38 | foxlit | They still haven't fixed his animation issue :/ |
| 19:11.32 | foxlit | (Pound immediately after surfacing has him facing a direction different from the one he's going to pound) |
| 19:12.35 | Lunessa | Zoot's forum avatar is full of win. |
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| 19:14.04 | Lunessa | foxlit: true that, Pound killed half of my last group 'cause they thought he was facing a different way. |
| 19:15.41 | alestane | Lunessa: Did he change it? |
| 19:16.07 | Lunessa | alestane: Nah, it's still the hammering gnome, I just like it. |
| 19:16.14 | alestane | Ah, okay. |
| 19:18.44 | Lunessa | And... He just sticked my thread. |
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| 19:21.01 | Cidan | rock me sexy Jesus? |
| 19:21.15 | SenoraRaton | Consider it done |
| 19:21.19 | Cidan | \o/ |
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| 19:22.14 | Cidan | so tired |
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| 19:25.21 | cog|work | Cidan: did you bother sleeping last night? |
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| 19:30.48 | alestane | Oh, your Vista thread. About time, really. |
| 19:32.51 | Cairenn | the mod faq and author resource threads are both sadly out of date and need lovin' |
| 19:33.18 | alestane | cog|work: What? |
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| 19:34.36 | Cidan | cog|work: No, well, kind of. I'm being tugged in two directions by two different women, and, yeah. |
| 19:34.41 | Cidan | mm, coffeeee. |
| 19:36.41 | SenoraRaton | Are you complaining?:P |
| 19:37.33 | cog|work | alestane: http://www.amateurgourmet.com/2008/04/omakase.html |
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| 19:40.42 | SenoraRaton | Is there a forum for the channel? |
| 19:40.53 | alestane | I see...chef's choice, basically. |
| 19:41.02 | cog|work | pretty much |
| 19:41.29 | alestane | SenoraRaton: Not as such, but there;s a UI & Macros forum at Blizzard, a number of forums at WoWInterface, and more at wowprogramming.com. |
| 19:41.52 | SenoraRaton | I was there. Well blizzards forum |
| 19:43.01 | SenoraRaton | Anyone here seen the power aura's add on? |
| 19:43.51 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8579-PowerAurasClassic.html |
| 19:44.12 | SenoraRaton | I'm watching a BRK video about it, looks awesome |
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| 19:50.01 | Thunder_Child | is there an option somewhere that will keep wow from auto-launching after a patch? |
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| 19:55.15 | cog|work | I wonder if there's a negative corellation between facebook popularity and high school reunion attendance... |
| 19:55.57 | |pez| | cog|work? |
| 19:57.00 | cog|work | |pez|: just a random thought... |
| 19:57.22 | cog|work | I do that sometimes :P |
| 19:58.59 | cog|work | apparently i'm not alone |
| 19:59.01 | cog|work | http://www.technologyevangelist.com/2007/07/will_facebook_kill_t.html |
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| 20:01.40 | SenoraRaton | Anyone know of a decent warlock mod? I don't think necrosis is suppourted anymore |
| 20:02.49 | cog|work | last updated 2 months ago... |
| 20:02.57 | cog|work | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/necrosis-ld-c.aspx |
| 20:03.17 | durcyn | warlock mod? just get opie and a decent dot timer, and you're set. |
| 20:03.34 | SenoraRaton | WTH is opie? |
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| 20:03.51 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9094-OPie.html |
| 20:03.54 | durcyn | opie is delicious, delicious pie menus |
| 20:05.35 | durcyn | as for dot timers, both quartz and elkbuffbars will show target/focus debuff durations, if you need tracking for non-unit-id casts, then try dotimer or classtimer |
| 20:05.42 | SenoraRaton | Wait so it responds to the mouse? "By quickly pressing Shift+H, then swiping my cursor from the center of my screen and up and letting go of the keys, I begin to cast my heal. " |
| 20:06.07 | cog|work | SenoraRaton: watch the vid on the official site |
| 20:06.13 | cog|work | i think there's a link in that dl page |
| 20:06.24 | cog|work | it's full of secks |
| 20:07.03 | SenoraRaton | Got it |
| 20:08.36 | Thunder_Child | the idea is to make things more simple and efficent not slower and more complicated |
| 20:09.28 | SenoraRaton | Seems nice, but I'm a bit of a keyboard freak, I hate the house, if I could fiqure out a way to efficently look/move with the keyboard, I would never use my mouse |
| 20:10.13 | SenoraRaton | It does have some uses though, just for the ability to have small compact hot-keyed customizable bars |
| 20:20.36 | Thunder_Child | servers are up |
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| 20:32.56 | bleeter | Cairenn: thanks for your concern. I'm nowhere near it... do have family members in the area was a nervous 48 hours waiting to hear from them. they saved their house, lost their dogs cars recording studio and neighbours :/ |
| 20:34.54 | Lunessa | bleeter: Sucks. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. |
| 20:41.25 | bleeter | thanks, i think they'll be OK though :) |
| 20:41.26 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: February 3rd, 2009 9:15pm PST |
| 20:41.26 | Shiibot | We are now offering free character moves from select high population PvP realms. These moves are scheduled to end Tuesday, February 10, at 8:00 PM PST provided our transfer goals are not reached prior to this time. We recommend to anyone who wishes to use the free character move system to do so at your earliest convenience. |
| 20:41.26 | Shiibot | To find out if your realm is eligible and begin your free move, go to https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/ and click on the "Free Character Move" link.PvE free character moves coming soon. |
| 20:41.35 | bleeter | hmm, anyone know what changed this time with the EULA/ToS ? |
| 20:41.48 | Lunessa | You know what else everybody likes? Parfaits. Have you ever met a person, you say, "Let's get some parfait," they say, "Hell no, I don't like no parfait"? Parfaits are delicious. |
| 20:42.10 | bleeter | or I wonder if nothing has changed (again) and Blizz Legal are telling lies (again)... hmmm |
| 20:43.27 | sysrage | http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6827/howtonotfailatlifepn3he9.png |
| 20:43.36 | sysrage | sorry. wrong window. but hilarious |
| 20:44.36 | Lunessa | Protip: If you're wearing a paper hat, it's not a real job. |
| 20:45.47 | alestane | bleeter: They always make you reagree, since they changed the code covered by the agreement. |
| 20:52.15 | bleeter | alestane: meh, Blizz Legal. Took them a Bug Report and lots of me yelling to get them to update their Web EULA/TOS to what they were presenting customers with @ Wrath install (they still had some old BC agreement at launch time and for a few weeks afterwards) |
| 20:52.37 | bleeter | so I doubt they actually know they're telling people that the agreement has changed, not that the basis for the agreement has changed |
| 20:53.22 | bleeter | kd3: was that a fix for the cursor in Wine that I saw in the patch notes? |
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| 20:53.43 | bleeter | er s/Wine/Win32 OGL/ |
| 20:53.45 | kd3 | yes |
| 20:53.52 | cog|work | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/02/09/funny-pictures-crashed-and-needs-cuddles/ |
| 20:53.57 | kd3 | but _Cursor on WoWI is still damn awesome |
| 20:53.58 | cog|work | ^ why i use opera |
| 20:54.02 | Legorol | I'd be careful about saying Blizz as a whole doesn't know its legalese... Blizz just managed to get a court to admit that running a program requires copying to RAM such that such copying falls under the scope of copyright laws. |
| 20:54.46 | bleeter | Legorol: I just found it 'amusing' at Wrath launch the EULA/ToS on the website was chronically out of date |
| 20:54.56 | Legorol | Furthermore, Blizz just had a ruling in its favour that if you name your character something that is against the EULA, you are basically breaking copyrihg law, and are subject to statutory damages in theory. |
| 20:55.15 | bleeter | Legorol: for a company that *IS* rather anal about legal foo I get a kick outta spotting that kinda foo. |
| 20:55.24 | Legorol | (I expect this to be overturned on appeal, otherwise the software industry is going to melt) |
| 20:55.30 | Legorol | bleeter: that's true |
| 20:56.26 | bleeter | Legorol: re character (C) law. well, it's pretty open shut in my book. Blizz own the accounts and all IP. They let people rent them. If you mess with stuff in a way Blizz don't like/want, it's some form of IP violation. |
| 20:56.54 | bleeter | but I do agree, it could go down a path that folks don't ... like ;) |
| 20:57.04 | Legorol | bleeter: i recommend that you read up on some of the various comments/observations made by IP lawyers with regards to Blizzard's recent victories |
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| 20:57.16 | bleeter | Legorol: groklaw and the like? |
| 20:57.19 | Legorol | they are quite educational if you are into such things, and they warn of the broader implications of Blizzard's victories |
| 20:57.30 | Legorol | groklaw? |
| 20:57.36 | spode | holy shit sysrage that was indeed hilarious :D |
| 20:57.37 | Legorol | I don't remember the sites, I google mostly :) |
| 20:57.40 | bleeter | just wondering where I may read up |
| 20:57.44 | bleeter | fair enough |
| 20:58.11 | Legorol | One of the most interesting analysis I read was saying that the case is troublesome because it blurs the line between contract law and copyright law. |
| 20:58.14 | Lunessa | Protip: Get a job. |
| 20:58.35 | Legorol | and if things stand as they are, then violating the EULA (which is a contract) can result in you violating copyright law |
| 20:58.49 | Legorol | which is a problem because the consequences of breaking a contract are much less severe than breaking copyright law |
| 20:59.19 | Legorol | For example, if things stay they are, then you naming your character something funny can result in you being liable from $750 to $150,000 |
| 20:59.37 | Legorol | That's almost certainly an undesirable result |
| 20:59.48 | nevcairiel | Only in the US and their f'cked system :) |
| 20:59.49 | cog|work | O.o http://wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=158&a=viewfeature&featureid=3293 <-- why? :'( |
| 21:00.25 | Legorol | nevcairiel: actually, the system is pretty fine imo, it's the judge's rulings in question that may be considered problematic |
| 21:00.50 | nevcairiel | Compare it to other systems, and you'll see how "fine" it really is :D |
| 21:01.07 | Legorol | anyhoo, i don't want to bore you folks with this :) I like IP law and stuff, so I'd been reading up on the case and commentaries associated with it |
| 21:01.16 | Lunessa | because, cog|work You're the man. You can cure world hunger with an AddOn. |
| 21:01.50 | bleeter | I don't need a 'junk' addon, I need a 'useless quest shit that quest complete or quest abandon doesn't erase' addon |
| 21:02.03 | bleeter | *doesn't erase, removing stuff that's *seriously* not needed anymore' |
| 21:02.04 | bleeter | etc. |
| 21:02.25 | cog|work | Lunessa: but then what do we do about overpopulation? |
| 21:02.28 | cog|work | <.< |
| 21:02.29 | kd3 | wow, fail. I crash flying out of dalaran, log back in and I'm parachuting down in icecrown |
| 21:02.29 | cog|work | >.> |
| 21:02.29 | kd3 | sigh |
| 21:02.48 | durcyn | at least you got a parachute. |
| 21:02.59 | bleeter | yeah sometimes dont get those |
| 21:02.59 | durcyn | chin up! |
| 21:03.07 | cog|work | i always have a parachute |
| 21:03.10 | cog|work | gg engineering! |
| 21:03.12 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Humans haven't developed any system that's really good for dealing with the small percentage of fuckers who mess it up for the rest of us. Thus we have more bizarre and complex laws - personally I think we should equip everyone with a gun and 1,000 rounds of ammunition at about age 10. |
| 21:03.14 | kd3 | so do I |
| 21:03.16 | kd3 | gg iceblock |
| 21:03.35 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: thats the US way of dealing with stuff, right? more guns? :) |
| 21:03.48 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: No, MY way. |
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| 21:03.55 | Legorol | "We need guns. Lots of guns." |
| 21:03.57 | Codayus | Lunessa: That's pretty extreme. Let's compromise and say age 14. |
| 21:04.06 | Lunessa | An armed society is a polite one. |
| 21:04.10 | cog|work | but teach them to use them starting at 5 |
| 21:04.15 | Ose | what was the console command to increase the max camera zoomout distance? |
| 21:04.17 | Lunessa | But the trick is EVERYONE has to be armed. |
| 21:04.24 | Codayus | Hey, it worked in Britain. |
| 21:04.27 | Legorol | From this I conclude that the order of priority in terms of maturity is: be able to fire a weapon, be able to marry, be able to have an opinion (i.e. vote) |
| 21:04.31 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.34 | durcyn | Ose: /console CameraDistanceMaxFactor 4 |
| 21:04.38 | durcyn | psh |
| 21:04.44 | kd3 | bah, distance, not zoom |
| 21:04.54 | Ose | yeah |
| 21:04.57 | Ose | thanks |
| 21:05.46 | Lunessa | See, society is about apply external pressure to people to overcome their internal pressure to be royal cock-monkeys to each other. And I'm all for making that pressure overt and well-defined. |
| 21:05.51 | Arrowmaster | no use /console cameraDistanceMax 25 |
| 21:05.59 | Arrowmaster | it will persist between sessions |
| 21:14.33 | Codayus | Lunessa: It's interesting to read accounts of the Tottenham Outrage of 1909. A couple anarchists pulled off an armed robbery in London. It didn't go so well, and a crazy firefight started as a couple policemen - and the heavily armed populace - chased them across the city by foot, horse, and tram. |
| 21:15.06 | Lunessa | London has always been a pretty rowdy place. ;) |
| 21:15.14 | Codayus | The police had to borrow weapons from the crowd. 2 people died, 20 were injured. The entire event was so shocking 500k people turned out for the funeral. |
| 21:16.59 | Lunessa | It dismays me that people want to prevent each other from having the means of defense/offense - all the forms of lasting politeness in western culture seem to come from traditions of bearing arms. |
| 21:17.18 | Codayus | Nowadays, of course, the police would be heavily armed, the populace would be unarmed, and nobody would blink twice about an armed robbery leading to a car chase and a couple deaths. |
| 21:17.22 | Codayus | Ah, progress. |
| 21:18.02 | bleeter | then there's things like Waco where the populace was armed... /shrug |
| 21:18.41 | Codayus | I'm not sure the problem with Waco was with the *populace*. :-/ |
| 21:19.25 | bleeter | then again, the Tuskegee study lasted for 40 years ... says a lot about the country imo |
| 21:24.53 | End | mm, kd3 just sent out the diff |
| 21:25.17 | kd3 | just realized I'd looked at the patch last night but forgot to actually send the email out |
| 21:27.38 | Lunessa | bleeter: The Branch Davidian thing in Waco, TX was a cluster-f'ck of errors all around. |
| 21:27.52 | kd3 | ^ |
| 21:28.28 | Lunessa | And that wasn't just an armed population - that was a small cluster of people doing criminal acts of many kinds who also happened to be pretty heavily armed. |
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| 21:30.39 | kd3 | nifty. firefox actually remembered the tabs I had open |
| 21:30.47 | bleeter | so has anyone played a Classic toon from level 1 recently? I tried... old mechanics and world models and stuff made me want to poke out my eyes. dunno how newbies manage it :/ |
| 21:31.11 | bleeter | kd3: oO only just started that? does it all the time for me, though dunno if that's one of the 'must have' addons I 'must have' thus making me forget it's not default ;) |
| 21:31.18 | nevcairiel | I actually enjoy the old world occasionally |
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| 21:31.36 | nevcairiel | bleeter: nah vanilla fox does that |
| 21:31.48 | kd3 | meh, if I crash out it remembers, but usually if I leave it open and kill X firefox comes back but only showed the home page |
| 21:32.01 | bleeter | ah killing X yeah |
| 21:33.06 | nevcairiel | kd3: thats a massive chanlog, too! |
| 21:33.10 | nevcairiel | *changelog |
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| 21:33.18 | kd3 | all of 90 lines? |
| 21:33.19 | Lunessa | bleeter: I recently leveled a new alliance shaman to the early 40s. alestane did the same for a 'lock. It's pretty fun. |
| 21:33.46 | alestane | Heh, especially when people are crashing you through all the dungeons. |
| 21:33.49 | nevcairiel | and half of that is diff metadata |
| 21:34.36 | Lunessa | *cough* |
| 21:34.40 | ZorbaTHut | I'm hoping they make new troll and gnome starting areas in the next expansion |
| 21:34.44 | ZorbaTHut | it's high time they had their own cities |
| 21:35.05 | bleeter | lore folks, what I don't get.. during battle for UC.. horde side... I ran through the portal to Belf city and they were all like 'and?' what gives? |
| 21:35.07 | ZorbaTHut | and maybe toss in a new old-world-level-range zone or two on the way |
| 21:35.08 | Lunessa | Trolls and Gnomes have their own cities. They're just dungeons now. :P |
| 21:35.34 | nevcairiel | trolls even have multiple dungeon-citys |
| 21:35.40 | nevcairiel | and a whole zone inhabited by trolls! |
| 21:35.41 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: I be happy with wrath level detailed trees in classic ;) |
| 21:35.46 | bleeter | the trees in wrath kick ass |
| 21:36.02 | PProvost | Can anyone recommend a alternative to Skillet or ATSW? They both seem to have died on the vine and I'd love to find something good in this area. |
| 21:36.08 | bleeter | 'cept they don't sway in the wind... only downside |
| 21:36.18 | ZorbaTHut | but see, the difference with the troll zone and with, say, Orgrimmar, is that very few things in Orgrimmar try to kill you :) |
| 21:36.24 | nevcairiel | crystalsong forest crystal trees = win |
| 21:36.37 | ZorbaTHut | crystalsong is really beautiful |
| 21:36.44 | ZorbaTHut | I'm looking forward to them putting some quests in |
| 21:36.44 | nevcairiel | ZorbaTHut: actually, everthing in orgrimmar trys to kill me, but thats another story |
| 21:38.04 | Duman | lol cog |
| 21:38.19 | Dashkal | I was heartbroken when WotLK went live with Crystalsong unfinished |
| 21:38.28 | Dashkal | At least those icecrown quests send you in there |
| 21:39.04 | kd3 | I almost wish crystalsong was as dead as it was when they first opened it up in beta |
| 21:39.10 | kd3 | just... nothing there |
| 21:39.12 | kd3 | was kinda creepy |
| 21:41.30 | foxlit | WotLK... was not PREPARED! |
| 21:41.37 | bleeter | no u |
| 21:42.14 | nevcairiel | Yeah crystalsong was amazingly empty when i first ventured through there trying to find my way to dalaran |
| 21:42.22 | nevcairiel | until someone told me i had to level up |
| 21:43.05 | bleeter | oO dalaran innkeeper doesn't sell [Love Token]s? |
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| 21:43.18 | kd3 | doesn't start til tomorro--wait |
| 21:43.21 | nevcairiel | oh love thingy started now? |
| 21:43.29 | bleeter | kd3: oceanic |
| 21:43.32 | kd3 | you damn aussies and your stupid 'living in the future' thing |
| 21:43.39 | foxlit | A mere week for all those achievements :( |
| 21:43.43 | bleeter | though given Blizz's TZ foo.. wouldn't be surpised if it's busted etc. |
| 21:44.13 | bleeter | going from the wowwiki page, would seem BC only had one innkeeper given them out |
| 21:44.18 | bleeter | wonder if same is true for NR |
| 21:44.29 | Lunessa | PProvost: I'm using DoubleWide Tradeskills - just for ease of reading. |
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| 21:46.03 | bleeter | kd3: and that's why I wish Shirik would go away |
| 21:46.14 | kd3 | no kidding |
| 21:46.24 | bleeter | glad you finally agree |
| 21:46.31 | bleeter | hopefully we can get a few others |
| 21:46.44 | Shirik | finally? |
| 21:46.47 | Shirik | kd3 used to like me? |
| 21:46.48 | Shirik | yey |
| 21:46.48 | cog|work | Duman: which lol? i've been on a roll imo ;P |
| 21:50.13 | bleeter | ooh, conquest hold innkeeper is putting out |
| 21:50.34 | kd3 | ahaha |
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| 21:51.24 | kd3 | oh wow. scary: http://timeswampland.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/joblosses26091.gif |
| 21:51.41 | PProvost | Lunessa: Are you having issues with the Search box working? |
| 21:51.51 | PProvost | I just installed it and search is... wonky. :) |
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| 21:53.03 | Lunessa | PProvost: It works for me, define "wonky" in this case. |
| 21:53.32 | PProvost | I put focus there, start typing, it clears what I type and flickers a bit |
| 21:53.41 | PProvost | I'll play with it some more |
| 21:53.42 | PProvost | Might be me |
| 21:54.10 | Lunessa | That's the same behavior I see with the default. *shrug* |
| 21:54.18 | PProvost | haha |
| 21:54.30 | PProvost | Okay. I've been using Skillet for so long I got used to searching quickly |
| 21:54.38 | PProvost | Will have to get used to this |
| 21:54.44 | Lyn | mikma, |
| 21:54.46 | Lyn | reply |
| 21:55.51 | bleeter | for those 'following' the valentine's event, I've taken my chatter about missing items from the NPCs to #wowwiki |
| 21:59.59 | Shirik | bleeter is bad man |
| 22:00.21 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 22:00.24 | Shirik | daytona 500? |
| 22:00.26 | Shirik | is that today? |
| 22:01.02 | kd3 | no |
| 22:01.10 | Shirik | well it's on espn :P |
| 22:01.14 | Shirik | thank god |
| 22:01.17 | kd3 | one of the race trials |
| 22:01.18 | kd3 | afaik |
| 22:01.20 | Shirik | daytona 500 = don't go outside |
| 22:01.25 | Shirik | you can't drive at all |
| 22:01.29 | Shirik | you have no idea |
| 22:01.45 | Lunessa | Shirik: I do so have an idea. |
| 22:01.55 | Shirik | nope |
| 22:02.01 | Thunder_Child | i have an idea |
| 22:02.03 | Shirik | I know your ideas |
| 22:02.05 | Shirik | they suck |
| 22:02.05 | Lunessa | I drove all the hell over southern fla looking for a room when I missed my reservations. |
| 22:02.11 | Shirik | haha |
| 22:02.30 | Thunder_Child | uh huh, and have you talked to your prof about teh cpu? |
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| 22:02.54 | Shirik | no :( |
| 22:03.26 | Thunder_Child | i wish i knew one i could ask....hmm...i suppose i could head over to caltech |
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| 22:05.08 | Duman | cog: the ninja-tag |
| 22:09.54 | mikma | bleh |
| 22:11.30 | NeoTron | kd3: it'd be somewhat more interesting to see a relative scale rather than an absolute number |
| 22:15.51 | cog|work | Duman: pretend i don't know what you mean... <.< >.> |
| 22:16.04 | Duman | the photo tag |
| 22:16.08 | cog|work | oh heh |
| 22:16.13 | Duman | :) |
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| 22:33.32 | Patrick_P | hey any1 can tell me if there's a incombat contition to macros? |
| 22:33.53 | NightHawkTheSane | wowwiki.com/Macros |
| 22:33.56 | Patrick_P | i'd like a macro to display may battle rez in combat else the normal rez |
| 22:34.09 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.17 | Patrick_P | thx a lot |
| 22:34.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart durcyn |
| 22:34.19 | purl | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on durcyn |
| 22:34.21 | NightHawkTheSane | stop that :P |
| 22:34.27 | durcyn | ~stab NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:34.27 | purl | ACTION runs at NightHawkTheSane with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 22:37.56 | cog|work | ~walenuke durcyn |
| 22:38.02 | cog|work | lern2teachtofish |
| 22:38.04 | cog|work | :P |
| 22:40.03 | Thunder_Child | or spell |
| 22:40.17 | Thunder_Child | ~whalenuke cog|work |
| 22:40.18 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around cog|work with his mind powers. |
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| 22:43.26 | foxlit | killing legibility for the benefit of line count :/ |
| 22:44.40 | Tekkub | depends on you definition of legibility |
| 22:45.11 | Tekkub | "if blah then doshit end" is perfectly legible to me :P |
| 22:45.34 | foxlit | SetDimensions(OR_IndicationFrame, 128); OR_IndicationFrame:SetFrameStrata("FULLSCREEN"); OR_IndicationFrame:SetPoint("CENTER", OR_IndicationPos); |
| 22:45.37 | foxlit | ^ single line |
| 22:46.20 | foxlit | Suppose at some point I should write something to count expressions |
| 22:46.44 | Tekkub | I never consider frame cration as lines of code :) |
| 22:47.35 | NightHawkTheSane | why does line count matter? |
| 22:48.10 | foxlit | It does not, really. |
| 22:48.32 | foxlit | Clearly, the #1 metric is compressed zip size :) |
| 22:51.02 | foxlit | Silly, really |
| 22:51.24 | foxlit | The one version for which there are no reported issues is called "Beta 11.8" |
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| 22:52.34 | foxlit | (first non-integer at the end of a version release, too) |
| 22:52.46 | foxlit | Although the whole beta/stable designation is annoyingly scewed |
| 22:53.10 | foxlit | s/c/k/ |
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| 22:55.52 | NightHawkTheSane | *sigh* http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/02/10/lunchtime_quickie_1 |
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| 22:59.30 | Shirik | why would you do that |
| 22:59.59 | NightHawkTheSane | interesting.. http://daringfireball.net/2009/02/apple_google_palm |
| 23:00.31 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: man something to be so proud of |
| 23:00.43 | NightHawkTheSane | isn't it >< |
| 23:02.42 | Shirik | lol @ 3.09 changes to shadow fissure |
| 23:02.46 | Shirik | People qq way too much |
| 23:02.59 | Shirik | has it really gotten to the point where we can't complain about mechanics, so we complain about colors? |
| 23:03.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Er, why is it wrong to complain about that? |
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| 23:03.52 | Shirik | what was wrong with the colors as they are |
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| 23:04.13 | Kalroth | they should have made the fissures green |
| 23:04.23 | Shirik | no |
| 23:04.24 | Kalroth | just to totally fuck color blind people over imo |
| 23:04.25 | NightHawkTheSane | it -was- a little difficult to see them, given the color palette of the environment, and the number of red-based spell effects in the encounter |
| 23:04.38 | Shirik | perhaps, but there's a reason for that |
| 23:04.51 | NightHawkTheSane | no, the difficulty of the encounter shouldn't be "what the fuck is going on, i can't see shit" |
| 23:04.58 | Shirik | no |
| 23:05.01 | Shirik | but it looks good |
| 23:05.05 | Shirik | it "fits" |
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| 23:05.09 | Shirik | what if fire was blue |
| 23:05.29 | NightHawkTheSane | it fits because you were used to it |
| 23:05.42 | Shirik | it's the black dragonflight! |
| 23:05.48 | NightHawkTheSane | if it was blue all along, we wouldn't be having this conversation |
| 23:05.56 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, so why red, and not solid black? :P |
| 23:06.06 | Shirik | because it's not a rock |
| 23:06.21 | Shirik | black dragonflight is volcanoesque, iirc |
| 23:06.24 | Shirik | lava is red |
| 23:06.26 | NightHawkTheSane | right, its actually shadow damage, so arguably a dark blue is probably closer than red. |
| 23:06.40 | NightHawkTheSane | in any case, it's a purely arbitrary distinction |
| 23:06.43 | Shirik | did ony have any blue? |
| 23:07.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ony isn't Vesperon, Shadron, or Tenebron |
| 23:08.04 | Shirik | ony is black dragonflight |
| 23:08.23 | Shirik | you don't see malygos healing himself |
| 23:08.41 | kd3 | sure we do. he evade bugged on us in phase 1 last night |
| 23:08.53 | Shirik | ... |
| 23:08.56 | NightHawkTheSane | you're really blowing this way out of proportion |
| 23:09.05 | Shirik | Probably |
| 23:09.09 | Shirik | I'm operating on 3 hours of sleep here |
| 23:09.29 | Gnarfoz | that exceeds specifications! |
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| 23:09.32 | kd3 | so... go the hell to bed? |
| 23:09.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 23:09.47 | Lunessa | Meh, I'm glad they're changing colors. Some of those effects are hard to see in some positions. |
| 23:11.31 | foxlit | "The âGM wishes to speak with youâ alert/button, at the top of the screen, has been changed so that addons do not obscure it." << just strata? |
| 23:11.39 | NightHawkTheSane | I never died to one, but yeah, a void zone spawning on top of a couple stacked death and decays sucked to see |
| 23:11.47 | Shirik | ok |
| 23:11.48 | kd3 | presumably. I glanced over the diff and didn't see anything special |
| 23:11.56 | Shirik | both my alchemy and tailoring windows show nothing in them now |
| 23:11.59 | Shirik | wtf hax |
| 23:12.08 | NightHawkTheSane | caching issue, probably |
| 23:12.11 | Shirik | and first aid |
| 23:12.20 | Shirik | and cooking (though that's mostly accurate) |
| 23:12.22 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: You ain't kidding. In one fight, if MSBT hadn't dinged my health warning, I would never have seen the damned thing. |
| 23:12.31 | Lopeppeppy | foxlit, keep reading, I hear they added a highlight to the Help button on the minipanel |
| 23:12.46 | foxlit | yeah, but I can see how that'd be implemented |
| 23:12.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: it gets more fun when you start dealing with drakes up, and the void zones will one-shot you while tenebron is up |
| 23:12.58 | foxlit | this "addons will not obscure it" declaration is ambitious |
| 23:13.13 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: sounds like a challenge! |
| 23:13.13 | jaxdahl | does an elseif..then.. need a matching end? or is that only for the first if? |
| 23:13.20 | foxlit | Indeed it does |
| 23:13.29 | Lunessa | Probably means so that people like me who put buffs there don't hide it. |
| 23:14.14 | foxlit | jaxdahl: only the first if |
| 23:14.33 | bleeter | maybe a frame above everything that cannot be obscured |
| 23:14.44 | bleeter | i wanna talk to a GM to check it |
| 23:15.06 | foxlit | just find and fire that event |
| 23:15.45 | bleeter | foxlit: you think they'd mind a ticket 'i wanna see new gminterfacelol' ;) |
| 23:15.55 | kd3 | 'lolbanned' |
| 23:15.59 | bleeter | :( |
| 23:16.09 | foxlit | The problem is that there's really nothing that allows you to make a frame "above everything" |
| 23:17.05 | Gnarfoz | key phrase being "you" |
| 23:17.13 | Lopeppeppy | Don't the notes specifically say it modifies the "help" button on the mini panel? |
| 23:17.35 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: it does, but that's not all of it |
| 23:17.36 | foxlit | no, separate bullet |
| 23:17.38 | kd3 | The "GM wishes to speak with you" alert/button, at the top of the screen, has been changed so that addons do not obscure it. |
| 23:18.03 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.0.9#User_Interface |
| 23:18.03 | Gnarfoz | that wording IMHO quite obviously supports my point :) |
| 23:18.31 | jaxdahl | my crafting UIs are fubar.. |
| 23:18.42 | jaxdahl | the default blizz ones |
| 23:18.50 | Lunessa | Yeah. Lunessa, you don't need to see your buffs, a GM want's to talk to you NOOB! |
| 23:19.04 | jaxdahl | hmm, took several clicks for them to come up correctly |
| 23:19.08 | bleeter | kd3: I'll find some excuse for a ticket. I forgot Blizz had their fun bone removed (reminds me, is dartol's rod tooltip fixed? must go take a look sometime) |
| 23:19.35 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: designing some sort of contraption to make it work seems like time that should be spent on more important issues :) |
| 23:19.53 | foxlit | More likely, it's a strata change, in which case the notes are simply a bit overconfident :) |
| 23:20.01 | kd3 | oh wow. never noticed the blowing snow effect on the ground in stormpeaks |
| 23:20.08 | Lunessa | bleeter: Yes. It clearly states "Only works in Ashenvale." |
| 23:20.23 | bleeter | Lunessa: so no they haven't fixed it |
| 23:20.31 | bleeter | lolol |
| 23:20.31 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I was gonna point that out, lol |
| 23:20.42 | bleeter | kd3: it's awesome isn't it |
| 23:20.46 | kd3 | ya |
| 23:20.56 | bleeter | goes back to what I say about how much Classic sucks and is very bad 'advertising' for the latest etc. |
| 23:21.24 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: well, the new interface alone shows that it's important to them. I wouldn't put it past them to whip some stuff up that can actually supersede all addons for visibility. ;) |
| 23:21.26 | bleeter | don't get me wrong, classic is great and all.. but. |
| 23:23.12 | bleeter | maybe they need to get the intern drunk again before they can fix the tooltip /shrug |
| 23:23.34 | Shirik | What's infinity minus infinity? |
| 23:23.38 | Shirik | Is it undefined? |
| 23:23.40 | kd3 | inf |
| 23:23.43 | bleeter | i hope so, for the intern's sake :) |
| 23:24.07 | foxlit | lua> math.huge - math.huge |
| 23:24.07 | lua_bot | foxlit: nan |
| 23:24.11 | foxlit | qq! |
| 23:24.39 | Shirik | Actually foxlit, I think it's an snan |
| 23:24.41 | Shirik | not a qnan |
| 23:24.49 | Lunessa | Shirik: are you getting existential? |
| 23:24.56 | bleeter | isn't qnan a province in china? |
| 23:24.58 | Shirik | No, I had a reason for thinking about this |
| 23:25.03 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 23:25.08 | Shirik | I was thinking about olympics |
| 23:25.16 | Shirik | and if a judge could vote any number |
| 23:25.25 | Shirik | but they still remove the highest and lowest numbers |
| 23:25.40 | Shirik | if a judge voted infinity, then you subtract infinity, would we really have gotten rid of the number |
| 23:26.00 | Lunessa | mathematical existentialism. |
| 23:26.00 | foxlit | you don't subtract the things |
| 23:26.05 | foxlit | you simply don't sum them :) |
| 23:26.19 | Lunessa | You remove them from the equation. |
| 23:26.45 | Lopeppeppy | You would have gotten rid of two variables of unknown variance and be left with concrete numbers to not break Peppy's brain with. |
| 23:26.50 | bleeter | oh, no.. that's Hunan province and me getting it convinces with Shanghai Qunan Electronics Co.... or maybe not. Silly Wade-Giles/Hanyu Pinyin bah |
| 23:27.26 | bleeter | er s/convinces/confused/ SEE |
| 23:27.53 | Shirik | lua> math.abs(math.huge - math.huge) |
| 23:27.53 | lua_bot | Shirik: nan |
| 23:28.00 | Shirik | lua> tostring(math.abs(math.huge - math.huge)) |
| 23:28.00 | lua_bot | Shirik: nan |
| 23:28.09 | Shirik | why does lua_bot turn nans into "nan" |
| 23:28.21 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, chocolate for girl. |
| 23:29.14 | *** join/#wowuidev rnicblood (n=root@cpe-071-074-018-050.ec.res.rr.com) |
| 23:29.23 | Lunessa | wait... Shirik has rum. /me ambushes Shirik and takes rum. |
| 23:29.29 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:29.51 | Lunessa | Where has all the rum gone? IN MAH BELLEH! |
| 23:30.07 | Lopeppeppy | I wish. |
| 23:30.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh... chocolate... rum.... GAH!! CHOICES!! |
| 23:30.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Chocolate Rum! |
| 23:31.00 | Lopeppeppy | .... no. |
| 23:31.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Rum flavored Chocolates! |
| 23:34.45 | NightHawkTheSane | rum -filled- chocolates! |
| 23:36.42 | Lopeppeppy | Chocolate chip cookies dipped in rum! |
| 23:38.02 | NightHawkTheSane | chocolate covered rum cake! |
| 23:38.18 | amro | why would you ruin a perfectly good cookie by dipping it in rum? |
| 23:39.42 | Lopeppeppy | ... rest well, silly sleepless Shirik. |
| 23:39.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: weirdo |
| 23:39.49 | Shirik | o.O |
| 23:39.54 | rnicblood | i have a wow issue.. i run lunix redhat/ and use wine... i run wow, the loader is good.. but i get to the login screen it is all messed up and there are pinkish grids and super lag.. any ideas... |
| 23:40.43 | Shirik | are you trying to run dx or opengl? |
| 23:40.52 | Shirik | also, stop using redhat |
| 23:40.56 | rnicblood | open |
| 23:41.00 | rnicblood | ? |
| 23:41.10 | rnicblood | ubuntu better? |
| 23:41.12 | Shirik | what wine version |
| 23:41.17 | Shirik | only slightly |
| 23:41.23 | rnicblood | l8est |
| 23:41.30 | p3lim | In a model frame, is it possible to do cut on any side? |
| 23:41.34 | Shirik | define l8est |
| 23:41.57 | Shirik | "I have latest version" is utterly worthless to anyone because users always think they have the latest version |
| 23:42.04 | Shirik | and because the latest version changes rapidly |
| 23:42.06 | p3lim | I anchor a model frame to my health bar, as my health decreses, the portrait gets shorter (width) |
| 23:42.32 | p3lim | but it looks shit around 40% health and lower, the portrait gets smashed together |
| 23:42.48 | p3lim | So im wondering if its possible to cut the model, not the frame |
| 23:43.27 | rnicblood | 1 sec.. |
| 23:44.18 | rnicblood | 1.1.9-2.fc9 |
| 23:44.33 | Shirik | yeah...... |
| 23:44.37 | Shirik | that's not even close to the latest |
| 23:45.12 | Shirik | perhaps the latest available by rpm |
| 23:45.15 | rnicblood | lolz.... rnicblood looks for his gun to easy the pain of failure |
| 23:45.24 | Shirik | regardless, kd3 is the wine guru |
| 23:45.24 | rnicblood | *ease |
| 23:46.22 | rnicblood | ooh o.0 a guru... k tyz... |
| 23:46.37 | laeg | Shirik: do you run the curse client under wine? |
| 23:46.50 | laeg | kd3: the curse client is still making me /cry :( |
| 23:46.54 | p3lim | Meh guess it aint possible |
| 23:47.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Zyndrome (n=faggotry@81-233-206-163-no89.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 23:47.33 | rnicblood | i think my issue falls in the config.wtf... |
| 23:47.41 | Shirik | laeg: Why would I? |
| 23:47.47 | Shirik | That seems like a very odd question |
| 23:48.15 | laeg | Shirik: you weren't talking about WINE, the linux program? |
| 23:48.20 | Shirik | yes I was |
| 23:48.49 | laeg | do you play wow with WINE? |
| 23:48.57 | rnicblood | yah |
| 23:49.01 | laeg | i do |
| 23:49.04 | Shirik | I don't think you're asking the right questions |
| 23:49.06 | ScytheBlade1 | rnicblood: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 23:49.14 | rnicblood | yes |
| 23:49.20 | Shirik | There are other reasons why your question is very odd, laeg |
| 23:49.26 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 should be able to pick it up |
| 23:49.33 | ScytheBlade1 | The output of that command is "yes"? |
| 23:49.35 | laeg | Shirik: because it's not actually under wine? |
| 23:49.39 | rnicblood | yup |
| 23:49.46 | ScytheBlade1 | What video card do you have? |
| 23:50.02 | rnicblood | ati 9800 pro |
| 23:50.09 | laeg | Shirik: enlighten me |
| 23:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | well there is half your problem, the ATi 3D drivers under linux are 110% terrible |
| 23:50.33 | rnicblood | kool |
| 23:50.37 | ScytheBlade1 | run wine WoW.exe -opengl |
| 23:50.39 | ScytheBlade1 | See if that helps |
| 23:50.39 | rnicblood | any tips... |
| 23:50.41 | Shirik | I have never used the curse client, nor do I ever have any intention to, for a very good reason |
| 23:51.18 | laeg | Shirik: pray tell |
| 23:51.23 | ScytheBlade1 | note: don't run Launcher.exe, run Wow.exe |
| 23:51.48 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20417 |
| 23:52.17 | laeg | ScytheBlade1: how's env WINEPREFIX="/home/laeg/.wine" wine "C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\wow.exe" -opengl ? |
| 23:52.20 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, they have a caffeine ROLL ON.... *cry* |
| 23:52.25 | laeg | Shirik: *click* |
| 23:52.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That should work, yes |
| 23:52.51 | amro | rnicblood: my tip is switch to nvidia |
| 23:53.01 | ScytheBlade1 | If you're still getting the same errors |
| 23:53.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, do what amro said |
| 23:53.01 | rnicblood | <-- confused |
| 23:53.08 | laeg | ScytheBlade1: just discovered it was previously wow.exe |
| 23:53.09 | ScytheBlade1 | As a former owner of a 9800PRO under linux |
| 23:53.11 | laeg | i mean launcher.exe |
| 23:53.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 23:53.17 | ScytheBlade1 | That may be it then |
| 23:53.43 | laeg | ScytheBlade1: i'm not the person who you weren't originally helping, i just hijacked the convesation |
| 23:53.46 | laeg | :D |
| 23:54.08 | ScytheBlade1 | rnicblood: how do you start WoW? |
| 23:54.10 | Shirik | laeg have you figured it out yet? |
| 23:54.12 | rnicblood | laughs at rnicblood for being confused.. silly noob |
| 23:54.31 | rnicblood | desk icon.. launcher... |
| 23:54.34 | laeg | Shirik: was it the butler in the wine cellar with the candlestick? |
| 23:54.39 | Shirik | >< |
| 23:54.46 | Shirik | Okay well you keep thinking, and I will go to sleep for an hour |
| 23:54.50 | Shirik | I shall return |
| 23:54.59 | laeg | like arnie? :) |
| 23:55.06 | ScytheBlade1 | According to your config, rnicblood, you're using openGL for WoW |
| 23:55.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is what it should be |
| 23:55.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Honestly, as the former owner of a 9800PRO under linux |
| 23:55.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I can say that there is not much hope aside from buying a new card (that has an nVidia GPU) |
| 23:55.43 | amro | indeed, it's just that bad |
| 23:55.48 | rnicblood | pooy:-( |
| 23:56.12 | rnicblood | brb |
