| 00:03.04 | Amarande | also tanks and healers that have started demanding gold payment to do an instance |
| 00:03.23 | NightHawkTheSane | heh,i haven't seen that, but that's hilarious |
| 00:06.48 | Amarande | btw, word yet on the name for the ulduar raid instance? |
| 00:07.49 | NightHawkTheSane | "Ulduar, oh, and Amarande's a moron." |
| 00:08.07 | NightHawkTheSane | true story, i have it from an inside source |
| 00:10.01 | Nizomi | are the upcoming class changed already on ptr? |
| 00:10.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think the ptr is currently active |
| 00:11.04 | Nizomi | meh |
| 00:11.11 | Nizomi | i wanna know how the frost talents were moved |
| 00:12.00 | NightHawkTheSane | im sure all the information will be available on numerous sites as soon as it shows up anywhere |
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| 00:17.13 | Nizomi | well afk |
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| 00:22.37 | foxlit | WoWI comments: "Hey guys I have an idea, let's put buttloads of Spirit on everything cloth!" (3 months later) "These clothies have a buttload of Spirit, and it's giving them infinite mana! To the nerfmobile!" |
| 00:23.20 | NightHawkTheSane | (except they're not nerfing the mechanics that are ACTUALLY giving them infinite mana) |
| 00:28.55 | foxlit | +1 nerfmobile, imo |
| 00:34.22 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 baggins auto-stacking code is trying to put a quiver, inside a quiver. |
| 00:35.00 | Shirik|Ecole | rofl |
| 00:36.08 | Shirik|Ecole | foxlit: I don't have infinite mana because of my spirit |
| 00:36.18 | Shirik|Ecole | I have infinite mana because I don't have a spell to use |
| 00:36.23 | Shirik|Ecole | coh was keeping us low on mana |
| 00:36.25 | Shirik|Ecole | so much for that |
| 00:36.48 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, if you had no regen, you'd still go out oom, even without CoH |
| 00:37.16 | NightHawkTheSane | meditation/replenishment is what's propping up most people, and thats not really being nerfed |
| 00:38.20 | Tekkub | "For some reason I was dreaming about a hand-held computer blowing up in my hands and it gave me a hardon" |
| 00:40.47 | Shirik|Ecole | meditiation has to stay |
| 00:40.51 | Shirik|Ecole | it is a staple of priest mechanics |
| 00:41.30 | Shirik|Ecole | Wintegrasp starts in: 99:99:95 |
| 00:42.36 | NightHawkTheSane | is the auth server down, or is it just me? |
| 00:44.56 | mikma | WOWI admin, PING! |
| 00:46.24 | MentalPower | mikma: I'm not an admin, but sup? |
| 00:46.30 | Olorin` | doing wrolling restart |
| 00:46.48 | mikma | mentalpower: well i need person who can change ownership of projects in wowi.com |
| 00:47.35 | MentalPower | I think only Cairenn or Dolby can do that |
| 00:47.45 | mikma | dolby / cairenn|afk : ping! |
| 00:47.50 | MentalPower | you can send Cairenn a PM on WoWI, she'll get to it as soon as she can |
| 00:48.20 | mikma | good idea |
| 00:49.39 | Shirik|Ecole | mikma: I don't think anyone has "WOWI admin" set to highlight |
| 00:49.45 | Amarande | at work today I saw a word that started with W and ended in RASP and was about the right length |
| 00:49.51 | Amarande | and at first I read it as 'Wintergrasp' |
| 00:49.53 | mikma | shirik|ecole: mentalpower had haha cD |
| 00:50.12 | Amarande | I also ended up reading 'Omaha' as 'Obama' |
| 00:50.13 | mikma | shirik|ecole: can you move stuff? |
| 00:50.19 | Shirik|Ecole | move, yes |
| 00:50.21 | Shirik|Ecole | change ownership, no |
| 00:50.23 | mikma | Obama beach? |
| 00:51.04 | mikma | shirik|ecole: okidoki, i'll pm those two |
| 00:56.07 | Olorin` | some groups really make ya wish you had an idea for a new addon lol |
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| 00:58.30 | mikma | olorin`: what groups? |
| 00:59.01 | Olorin` | groups where priest is doing damn dd spells whilst rest of group is dying from no heals |
| 00:59.35 | mikma | and you need addon for? |
| 00:59.53 | Olorin` | distract me from grouping.... |
| 01:00.24 | mikma | install bejeweled |
| 01:03.01 | Olorin` | great an addon that can turn complete fuckwits into sensible people? |
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| 01:08.20 | NightHawkTheSane | there's someone actually looking for a COBOL programmer on craigslist >.> |
| 01:10.50 | Olorin` | used to like doing cobol |
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| 01:19.54 | Amarande | Night: Completely Obsolete Bollocks Operating Language? |
| 01:20.53 | Amarande | Olorin: that's one thing I've always liked about D&D vs. WoW |
| 01:21.01 | Amarande | in D&D, in most battles it is rarely necessary to heal constantly |
| 01:21.13 | Amarande | instead, you get to actually focus on making things die :) |
| 01:22.02 | Amarande | by the way, remember that discussion we had a while back about what worlds would work well or not in an MMO? |
| 01:22.30 | Arrowmaster | D&DO? |
| 01:22.48 | Arrowmaster | or real D&D |
| 01:22.54 | Amarande | Arrow: my D&D experience is more in the pen and paper games, and the Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate, and Gold Box games |
| 01:23.05 | Osagasu | Greyhawk would make a good MMO... Eberron doesn't |
| 01:23.20 | Amarande | Apparently, someone is in fact going to make a Wheel of Time MMO. |
| 01:23.26 | Amarande | Woohoo :) |
| 01:23.32 | Osagasu | Never heard ofit |
| 01:23.45 | NightHawkTheSane | a wot mmo? that cant be anything but bad |
| 01:23.57 | Amarande | Night: well it certainly won't involve spammable heals |
| 01:24.01 | Amarande | the One Power doesn't work that way :) |
| 01:24.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont care if it's hella fun, it's probably just ruthless profiteering |
| 01:24.46 | Arrowmaster | i wonder what they are going to do with D&DO now that 4.0 is out |
| 01:25.19 | Arrowmaster | considering most the changes were to make the game more mmo like and less rpg |
| 01:25.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i really can't see anyone doing a WoT mmo in a way that does real justice to the story/world. |
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| 01:25.40 | Amarande | I'm still waiting to see if balefire is in |
| 01:25.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: meh, ddo wasn't terribly like 3.x anyway |
| 01:26.14 | Arrowmaster | when i played the beta it was |
| 01:26.16 | Amarande | As I mentioned once before, I'm wondering how much of an object backlog journal would be required in order to make balefire work correctly |
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| 01:27.31 | Arrowmaster | at the low levels it was an absolutely horible game for any class that wasnt primarly melee |
| 01:28.02 | Amarande | i.e., without the server log being full of "[balefire.c:3108] Oops! Couldn't restore object ID 0x00000000 for action 0xab2984c3, it may have been removed already" |
| 01:28.04 | Arrowmaster | which is why i said fuck it and never looked at the game since |
| 01:29.02 | Amarande | (at least, I'm assuming that sane software devs use highly verbose error logging.) |
| 01:29.33 | Amarande | Arrow: WoT will probably be the opposite |
| 01:29.43 | Amarande | the nature of the One Power causes caster classes to be significantly more powerful than non-casters |
| 01:30.11 | NightHawkTheSane | it'll still suck as much as ddo, though |
| 01:30.24 | Amarande | I still have the Wheel of Time D20 rulebook |
| 01:30.36 | Arrowmaster | ddo sucked because of the abilities per day |
| 01:30.36 | Cairenn|afk | mikma: did anyone else take care of you already? |
| 01:30.37 | Amarande | it's ok, though tbh I would prefer a system like GURPS for such a world |
| 01:30.51 | Amarande | Arrow: lemme guess, they really were per *day* in DDO |
| 01:30.51 | Olorin` | Amarande well in WoW you can concentrate on getting things dead.... irritating priests that wait till ya at 30% with 4mobs on you then just throw a regen and wait for ya to die |
| 01:30.58 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: yes they were |
| 01:31.08 | Amarande | as opposed to say NWN2 where they were usually 'per battle' because you were allowed to rest almost everywhere |
| 01:31.49 | Arrowmaster | each dungeon had camp stone thingys in it that you could use once per dungeon then no more to rest, so every dungeon was a max of 2 days worth of abilities |
| 01:32.35 | Olorin` | groups like that at least make you wish their was a repair npc at start of instance lol, appologies for my ranty mood :/ |
| 01:32.36 | Amarande | Olorin: then there's times when you're the priest, your tank pulls too many mobs to properly keep control of, and thus you pull aggro while healing |
| 01:32.41 | Arrowmaster | d&d 3.x only had per day abilities and it translated into a horible mmo |
| 01:32.47 | Amarande | then the tank blames YOU when you're not healing him (because you're dead :P) |
| 01:33.00 | Cairenn | mikma, Mike-N-Go - got the PM, changed ownership |
| 01:33.10 | Amarande | ever notice how nobody -ever- wants to admit that they were the source of fail? |
| 01:33.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: perhaps ironically, 4.0 would have translated into an mmo in a much nicer way :P |
| 01:33.50 | Arrowmaster | d&d 4.0 added all kinds of per battle and encounter stuff which just came off as making the game more mmo like so they could sell the rule set for games |
| 01:34.13 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, i disagree about that, though |
| 01:34.14 | Amarande | I have the D&D 4 rulebooks, but oddly enough, even though I've had them for about a year, I've never had the enthusiasm to read them fully thru |
| 01:34.16 | Olorin` | Amarande it was a planned pull, and they didnt even bubble the tank to give them time to hold agro before needing a heal... too interested in keeping the nice lil bubble for themselves |
| 01:34.29 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: i still say they sold out and made 4.0 specificly for computer games |
| 01:34.42 | Amarande | Olorin: what class was the tank? |
| 01:34.57 | Olorin` | druid in bearform, |
| 01:35.09 | Amarande | so a rage user, then |
| 01:35.15 | Amarande | rage users don't like to be bubbled at start of battle |
| 01:35.19 | sacarasc | D&D 4 is made of fail |
| 01:35.25 | Amarande | if they are, they have difficulty building up rage at the beginning |
| 01:35.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: *shrug* maybe. But I don't think so. I think modern day crpgs/mmos influenced the design, but I think it's more taking it back to the wargaming roots of the system, and sort of pulling out a lot of the useless flavor that made actually roleplaying kinda strange :P |
| 01:35.51 | Arrowmaster | theres only a few minor things in 4 that i would like to have in 3 |
| 01:36.03 | Amarande | if they can't survive long enough to build enough aggro, then the tank fails |
| 01:36.26 | Arrowmaster | roleplaying game > fighting game |
| 01:36.29 | Amarande | Olorin: verdict sounds like your tank needs better gear |
| 01:36.51 | Arrowmaster | some of the best compaigns ive ever played had little fighting |
| 01:37.05 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, you can bring your own role playing. you don't need a set of rules for that |
| 01:37.14 | Olorin` | Amarande i left the group was too frustraiting, they just had no experience of grouping, all playing like they were soloing |
| 01:37.49 | Amarande | I'm still finding it odd that they decided Chaotic Good and Lawful Evil no longer exist |
| 01:38.01 | NightHawkTheSane | they still exist. |
| 01:38.07 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder if I can get the [=[ string ]=] syntax to highlight properly in lua |
| 01:38.11 | Amarande | only Lawful Good, plain Good, plain Evil, Chaotic Evil, and unaligned |
| 01:38.20 | NightHawkTheSane | they're just no longer absolutely definable properties |
| 01:38.37 | Arrowmaster | haotic good and lawful evil were fun to play |
| 01:38.54 | Amarande | like, did they have a specific reason to remove CG and LE but leave in LG and CE? |
| 01:39.17 | NightHawkTheSane | the differences, in practice, between CG and NG, and LE and NE were very minor |
| 01:39.30 | Arrowmaster | not if done properly |
| 01:39.32 | foxlit | oh wow, it actually worked |
| 01:39.45 | NightHawkTheSane | it became a basically semantic distinction, that only served to prevent people from utilizing anti-law/chaos spells |
| 01:40.07 | Amarande | of course, they got rid of the anti-(alignment) spells, too |
| 01:40.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: i'm not disagreeing, but it IS a very subtle distinction, and difficult to really do well. I know i couldn't |
| 01:40.26 | Amarande | anyway, CG and NG maybe |
| 01:40.30 | Amarande | but LE and NE are very different |
| 01:40.39 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah |
| 01:40.46 | Arrowmaster | LE was fun to play |
| 01:40.47 | Amarande | LE are people with a definite code of conduct and honor but unsavory souls |
| 01:41.01 | Amarande | NE ... are just plain slimy 'do anything for my own sake' evil |
| 01:41.49 | Amarande | the dropping of LN and CN is perhaps stranger |
| 01:42.15 | NightHawkTheSane | LN, maybe |
| 01:42.27 | NightHawkTheSane | but again, TN/CN were basically too similar |
| 01:42.28 | Amarande | 'absolute uncaring order' doesn't seem to fit anywhere now |
| 01:42.37 | NightHawkTheSane | sure it does |
| 01:42.43 | NightHawkTheSane | it's just unaligned. :P |
| 01:42.51 | NightHawkTheSane | nothing is stopping you from playing the way you want to play. |
| 01:42.57 | ZorbaTHut | the fact is that most people just didn't deal with those properly. they took 'em out to simplify a part of the game that's been a problem for most players since the beginning |
| 01:43.00 | Amarande | TN/CN similar? right, because a traditional (back when they had to be TN) balance-preaching druid and a red slaad are really the same |
| 01:43.03 | NightHawkTheSane | (well, except the dm i guess) |
| 01:43.26 | NightHawkTheSane | "back when they had to be" no longer applies, obviously |
| 01:43.28 | ZorbaTHut | that's what a lot of D&D4 is about - "make it simple and clean, we all know people are going to modify it to holy hell anyway" |
| 01:43.31 | Amarande | also: red slaad are scary. |
| 01:43.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: exactly |
| 01:44.10 | Amarande | Zorba: yet when 4e was new, people were claiming it was far easier to modify 3e to your needs than 4e |
| 01:44.12 | ZorbaTHut | and now battles run smoothly after a single game day. I think it's a huge improvement :) |
| 01:44.21 | Amarande | although that had a lot to do with two things |
| 01:44.27 | Arrowmaster | my modifing the game is taking 3.5 and then adding all the 4 skill rules |
| 01:44.27 | Amarande | 1) that 4e was, well, still new |
| 01:44.33 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, a lot of that argument came down to either "we're used to it" or "the expansion books already exist" |
| 01:44.40 | Arrowmaster | anything to cut down skills is good |
| 01:44.56 | Amarande | 2) the fact that the original 4e system license was a complete bullshit quagmire that was literally painfully difficult to interpret |
| 01:45.24 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, system licenses don't stop people from modifying their game :P |
| 01:45.43 | Arrowmaster | only if they are then publishing it |
| 01:45.59 | NightHawkTheSane | but out of all the people that make homebrew rules, how many publish? :P |
| 01:46.37 | Amarande | Night: it was also fuzzy as to whether you needed to accept the license (which, mind you, was a perfectly good example of LN and perhaps even LE), in order to even just put your stuff up on the web for free |
| 01:46.59 | Amarande | remember, we're talking Ha$bro here |
| 01:47.08 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, that wouldn't have stopped me, and wouldn't really stop a lot of people. |
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| 01:57.39 | mikma | cairenn: thank you! <3 |
| 01:57.46 | Cairenn | you're welcome :) |
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| 01:59.32 | mikma | mike-n-go: lol ima gonna name yours as bigbrother of wgtlight or so |
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| 02:05.33 | mikma | boing |
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| 02:21.36 | Kaso | http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0902/ISS_0082_2009-02-02x2cropped.jpg |
| 02:21.42 | Kaso | thats awesome |
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| 02:22.56 | Arrowmaster | what is it? |
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| 02:31.57 | kd3 | raaah, scary when work is slow slow slow |
| 02:31.57 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: February 3, 2009, 9:15PM PST |
| 02:31.57 | Shiibot | We are now offering free character moves from select high population PvP realms. These moves are scheduled to end Tuesday, February 10, at 8:00 PM PST provided our transfer goals are not reached prior to this time. We recommend to anyone who wishes to use the free character move system to do so at your earliest convenience. |
| 02:31.57 | Shiibot | To find out if your realm is eligible and begin your free move, go to https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/ and click on the "Free Character Move" link.PvE free character moves coming soon. |
| 02:32.08 | kd3 | fear that our hour cuts are only going to get worse |
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| 02:44.50 | mikma | go! |
| 02:45.01 | haste | 5 6 7 8! |
| 02:45.15 | haste | My boot-scootin' baby is drivin' me crazy... |
| 02:47.15 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k89V1juMoPo - for those who didn't catch the reference D: |
| 02:47.23 | haste | blame Tuller_ |
| 02:50.22 | Mike-N-Go | Cairenn: Thanks. |
| 02:50.29 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 02:56.39 | NightHawkTheSane | it makes me sad to see mages below the tanks on boss fights. :\ |
| 02:58.09 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: Is that because the tank is doing more damage than expected, or because the mage needs help? |
| 02:58.37 | NightHawkTheSane | the latter, probably |
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| 03:43.24 | kd3 | hm... has anyone written a little hack addon that displays a small (2x2) frame wherever our mouse cursor is as a workaround for the wine 'disappearing mouse pointer' bug yet? |
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| 03:48.30 | mikma | theres _cursor in wowi, get that |
| 03:49.37 | kd3 | nifty |
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| 04:07.36 | kd3 | heh, cursor rocks |
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| 04:29.35 | Mike-N-Go | kd3: When that happens to me, I just minimize the window, click in some app that is not WoW, and then go back to WoW; curser is there. |
| 04:29.53 | cog|away | umm... i have an unidentified "Matthew" on my cell phone in the "WoW" category... Any other matthews here with a 516 number? (feel free to pm me) |
| 04:30.41 | kd3 | just the act of installing cursor appears to be a workaround right now. haven't had it disappear yet |
| 04:35.35 | Shirik|Ecole | cog|away: me? |
| 04:35.38 | Shirik|Ecole | Oh wait, not 516 no |
| 04:38.27 | Shirik|Ecole | Okay, I'm having trouble coming up with a name for this interface, any ideas? |
| 04:38.42 | Shirik|Ecole | It's an interface which supplies a function you can call when someone clicks a hyperlink that will pop up a new window |
| 04:38.45 | Shirik|Ecole | a new browser |
| 04:39.10 | cog|away | IHaveNoName |
| 04:39.26 | Shirik|Ecole | >< |
| 04:39.28 | devZero | gah.. these tooltips will be the death of me |
| 04:40.14 | devZero | anyone know of an existing method to grab tooltip info on mouse over from non targetable items, such as node, herbs, or mailboxes? |
| 04:41.33 | cog|away | can you hook the tooltip's OnShow? |
| 04:41.45 | devZero | hmmm |
| 04:42.12 | devZero | I'll check that out, thanks |
| 04:42.53 | devZero | would I use hooksecurefunc for that? |
| 04:43.00 | cog|away | :HookScript |
| 04:43.39 | cog|away | GameTooltip:HookScript("OnShow", function(...) end) or something like that |
| 04:43.59 | devZero | the wiki fails today |
| 04:44.08 | devZero | keep getting blank pages |
| 04:44.20 | kd3 | wowwiki or the book's? |
| 04:44.27 | devZero | thanks cog|away, I'll give that a shot |
| 04:44.29 | devZero | wowwiki |
| 04:44.40 | kd3 | any pages in particular? |
| 04:44.46 | devZero | random |
| 04:44.56 | devZero | this one right now v |
| 04:45.01 | devZero | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_HookScript |
| 04:47.25 | devZero | cog|away: any particular event you think might be good here? I tried CURSOR_UPDATE, since UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT doesn't fire in this situation |
| 04:47.51 | cog|away | talking widget handlers here, not API events ;) |
| 04:47.53 | cog|away | 20:41 <+cog|away> can you hook the tooltip's OnShow? |
| 04:48.20 | cog|away | you're hooking OnShow of the frame itself |
| 04:51.24 | kd3 | anyone know off-hand how much the +8 def, +8 expertise cut recipe's going for? just dropped for me... >.> |
| 04:54.18 | Thunder_Child | doesnt that depend on the server kd3? |
| 04:55.55 | kd3 | yah, but my auc doesn't have it and neither does anybody I know with a good dataset |
| 05:03.18 | Tem | kd3, ask wowhead? |
| 05:03.36 | Tem | oh, kd3, that recipe is rare as balls |
| 05:03.41 | Tem | you get to name your price |
| 05:03.56 | kd3 | awesomesauce. hello mammoth mount |
| 05:04.13 | Shadowed | odds are you can get at least 2k-3k for most of the BOe patterns |
| 05:04.37 | Shadowed | maybe more if you find a crazy person |
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| 05:29.00 | Amarande | hmm |
| 05:29.00 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: > 04/02 Free character migrationThe following Free Character Migration will be available from Feb 4 to Feb 10:Horde only: Magtheridon --> Haomarush, Tarren Mill, Trollbane, Zenedar, Silvermoon (PvE) |
| 05:29.00 | Shiibot | Alliance only: Aerie Peak, Aggramar, Alonsus, Arathor, Azjol-Nerub, Bronze Dragonflight, Bronzebeard, Eonar, Hellscream, Khadgar, Lightbringer, Kilrogg, Kul Tiras, Silvermoon, Terenas, Turalyon --> Magtheridon |
| 05:29.00 | Shiibot | Al'Akir, Stormscale --> Vek'nilash, XaviusBurning Legion, Grim Batol --> Boulderfist, TrollbaneCrushridge, Sylvanas --> Chromaggus, HaomarushKazzak, Ravencrest --> Laughing Skull, Sunstrider |
| 05:29.15 | Amarande | any of you remember off the top of your head what the hit cap and recommended expertise rating for feral are? |
| 05:30.41 | Amarande | kd3: on Turalyon Horde side anyway, BoE JC patterns seem to be going for about 1700-2300 |
| 05:31.18 | Amarande | not that I've yet felt induced to bite on any of those yet |
| 05:31.31 | Amarande | the most I've ever spent for a pattern was a grand on the 28 slot old school soul bag pattern |
| 05:32.07 | Shirik|Ecole | Man there's something wrong with windows 7 or netbeans 7 |
| 05:32.10 | Shirik|Ecole | compiles take forever |
| 05:32.17 | Shirik|Ecole | 30 seconds to finish compiling a single Java file |
| 05:33.13 | Amarande | Shirik, you're not playing WoW at the same time, are you? |
| 05:33.18 | Amarande | or ... wait, are you running firefox? |
| 05:33.20 | Shirik|Ecole | heh, no |
| 05:33.23 | Shirik|Ecole | and no |
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| 05:38.52 | Shirik|Ecole | Compiling 1 source file to C:\Users\mpdelbuono\Documents\Code\mmoimgr\mmoimgr-services\build\classes |
| 05:38.53 | Shirik|Ecole | BUILD SUCCESSFUL (total time: 32 seconds) |
| 05:38.56 | Shirik|Ecole | ^ That's insane |
| 05:39.19 | End | GRATZ |
| 05:39.26 | End | ;-) |
| 05:40.21 | Shirik|Ecole | but what's really wierd is this |
| 05:40.54 | Shirik|Ecole | Compiling 10 source files to C:\Users\mpdelbuono\Documents\Code\mmoimgr\wowi\build\classes |
| 05:40.56 | Shirik|Ecole | BUILD SUCCESSFUL (total time: 33 seconds) |
| 05:41.03 | Shirik|Ecole | It's as if those 30 seconds are meaningless |
| 05:41.03 | NightHawkTheSane | http://goldenfiddle.com/node/14331 |
| 05:41.13 | NightHawkTheSane | you guys need to watch that video |
| 05:42.13 | devZero | ok.. still loosing my mind over tooltips, can someone look at this hook? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/107848 |
| 05:42.37 | devZero | the print1(self:NumLines()); prints out the correct number of lines, but when I try to get the text in those lines, they're null |
| 05:42.43 | devZero | or nil even |
| 05:43.30 | Shirik|Ecole | are you sure it's self:GetName()..i? |
| 05:43.36 | Shirik|Ecole | I thought there was something in between those two |
| 05:43.45 | devZero | hmm |
| 05:43.50 | devZero | doh |
| 05:44.00 | devZero | self:GetName() .. "TextLeft" .. i |
| 05:44.02 | devZero | thanks |
| 05:44.13 | Shirik|Ecole | also, don't use getglobal |
| 05:44.42 | devZero | I'm going by another example, which uses it... what should I use? |
| 05:45.05 | Shirik|Ecole | _G["name"] |
| 05:45.12 | devZero | hmm |
| 05:45.15 | devZero | k, thanks |
| 05:45.44 | devZero | why is _G better than getglobal? just out of curiousity |
| 05:46.02 | End | it's a table lookup instead of function call I guess |
| 05:46.03 | Shirik|Ecole | because getglobal() requires a function call |
| 05:47.52 | Shirik|Ecole | wow |
| 05:47.57 | Shirik|Ecole | Unhandled exception: java.lang.AbstractMethodError |
| 05:48.05 | Shirik|Ecole | First time I've seen that one o.o |
| 05:52.28 | Dewin | http://twolumps.net/ ahh.. Alts-heimer's |
| 05:59.35 | devZero | Shirik|Ecole: thanks for the second pair of eyes, it worked perfectly! |
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| 06:10.46 | Shirik|Ecole | Random question for any Java-inclined individuals: Can anyone think of a reason an AbstractMethodError would be thrown that would not be caught by the compiler? |
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| 06:47.45 | Shirik | Java is evil |
| 06:49.20 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, this beg the obvious question of "why are you writing it in java then?" |
| 06:49.28 | Shirik | because Java is not evil |
| 06:49.43 | cog|away | that's not what "beg the question" means |
| 06:50.02 | Thunder_Child | you are right, should be 'begs' |
| 06:50.06 | cog|sleep | nope |
| 06:50.12 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 06:50.21 | cog|sleep | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question |
| 06:50.44 | cog|sleep | gah... it changed since last i looked >< |
| 06:50.50 | cog|sleep | In American English, "begging the question" is generally used to mean that a statement invites another obvious question; this usage is considered incorrect in British English[5]. |
| 06:50.59 | Thunder_Child | cog|sleep, oddly enough it works when applied with Shirik's second statment |
| 06:51.58 | Thunder_Child | cog|sleep....american....i dont bloody well speak brit english |
| 06:52.05 | Thunder_Child | now sod off |
| 06:52.27 | cog|sleep | hence my "gah... it changed since last i looked ><" |
| 06:52.38 | cog|sleep | that line didn't used to be there... |
| 06:53.07 | cog|sleep | or i'm pretending to be shirik |
| 06:53.09 | cog|sleep | ~fail me |
| 06:53.10 | purl | cog|sleep, you Fail! |
| 06:54.03 | Thunder_Child | failwheel just looks odd |
| 06:54.07 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|sleep: feh, i'd debate that its correct in "american" english. it just means more people are wrong |
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| 06:55.25 | cog|sleep | ~fail my monitor |
| 06:55.26 | purl | my monitor: FAIL! |
| 06:55.44 | cog|sleep | http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/monitors/2009/02/06/the-dark-side-of-overdrive/2 <-- mine's the second one it mentions (samsung 244t) |
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| 07:05.21 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:05.22 | Shirik | I give up |
| 07:05.36 | Shirik | Java is lying to me |
| 07:05.45 | Shirik | I go to sleep now |
| 07:06.42 | Tekkub | sometimes I think auditorium likes to not acknowledge I solved the puzzle so I'll listen to the music more |
| 07:07.57 | Shirik | hehe |
| 07:09.25 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, i have that issue some times as well |
| 07:09.32 | Arrowmaster | cog|sleep: hehe thats why i love my lcd, its from the pre overdrive marketing crap era |
| 07:12.47 | Shirik | I'm.... a moron |
| 07:12.51 | Shirik | T_T |
| 07:13.00 | Shirik | wow |
| 07:13.05 | Thunder_Child | QFT |
| 07:13.18 | Shirik | java.lang.AbstractMethodError: com.mmoui.test.TestNewsService.setHyperlinkHandler |
| 07:13.37 | Shirik | I just spend the last hour trying to figure out why the com.mmoui.wow package isn't working, not the com.mmoui.test package like it says |
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| 07:20.51 | NightHawkTheSane | and, that, i believe is why we have |
| 07:20.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ~failrik |
| 07:20.56 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 07:21.06 | Fisker- | i wanna destroy all humans |
| 07:28.06 | Ycarene | Fisker- : I never liked stormwind anyway, have fun! |
| 07:29.57 | Wobin | for anyone that likes mashups: http://www.sendspace.com/folder/1ql16d |
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| 07:30.36 | Wobin | I like the Boston/Lynard Skynard/Warren Zevon - More Werewolves of Alabama one =P |
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| 07:35.53 | Shirik | sweet home alabama |
| 07:35.57 | Shirik | where the skies are so blue |
| 07:37.12 | Fisker- | not acceptable |
| 07:37.28 | Shirik | /mode -cool Fisker- |
| 07:38.21 | Fisker- | :( |
| 07:38.41 | Thunder_Child | thats a good song Fisker-, go to hell |
| 07:38.46 | Fisker- | not at all |
| 07:38.57 | Thunder_Child | already there? |
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| 08:07.14 | NightHawkTheSane | radiohead box set on woot.. o_0 |
| 08:08.20 | Thunder_Child | fail yet again woot |
| 08:16.43 | Tekkub | I've stopped watching the woot |
| 08:17.04 | Tekkub | it all kinda went to crap when they started doing not-electronics crap |
| 08:17.16 | Zyndrome | http://timedoctor.org/2009/01/david-lynchs-disturbingly-nsfw-sttng-remix/ |
| 08:17.18 | Zyndrome | haha oh wow |
| 08:18.37 | Shirik | they still have some kinda pro stuff |
| 08:19.25 | Tekkub | mmm I miss furry klingons |
| 08:19.47 | Tekkub | and furry riker |
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| 08:28.08 | Tekkub | oh mah gawd |
| 08:28.45 | Fisker- | this is why we can't have nice things |
| 08:29.22 | Tekkub | you just watch #8 too? |
| 08:30.33 | Fisker- | #2 actually |
| 08:31.00 | Tekkub | oh you haven't even gotten to the good shit |
| 08:33.12 | Fisker- | #4 was kinda lulz :3 |
| 08:33.41 | AnduinLothar | #9's awesome |
| 08:36.08 | AnduinLothar | so is 10 |
| 08:36.23 | Tekkub | 13 :) |
| 08:37.38 | Fisker- | lol |
| 08:39.18 | Tekkub | last one's the best, but #10's pretty damn good too |
| 08:42.41 | AnduinLothar | wtf is the klingon doing in 15? |
| 08:45.02 | Wobin | hehe double facepalm in 13 |
| 08:45.38 | AnduinLothar | these are golden. i'm bookmarkign this |
| 08:55.47 | Wobin | http://www.wimp.com/beerfun/ |
| 08:57.10 | Wobin | also: http://www.wimp.com/catman/ <- This is a man with a cat on his head |
| 08:58.30 | Fisker- | DKDKDKDK Wobin |
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| 09:09.41 | AnduinLothar | and it's REALLY LOUD |
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| 11:09.49 | Wobin | http://www.wimp.com/goodtalk/ |
| 11:09.55 | Wobin | very entertaining TED talk |
| 11:13.00 | zenzelezz | TED? |
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| 11:33.21 | Wobin | Technology, Entertainment, Design |
| 11:33.26 | Wobin | www.ted.com |
| 11:33.34 | Wobin | really interesting event |
| 11:49.09 | jnwhiteh | EU Account page is down =( |
| 11:49.17 | jnwhiteh | so sioraiocht can't upgrade to WoTLK |
| 11:49.19 | jnwhiteh | POOP |
| 11:57.36 | Zyndrome | it's down so people can't cancel their accounts out of rage |
| 11:57.37 | Zyndrome | http://halbot.haluze.sk/images/2009-02/4743_1990_2008.jpg |
| 11:58.28 | sioraiocht | Zyndrome: rage at...? |
| 11:59.05 | Zyndrome | anything, like you can read people threatening to cancel their accounts if X doesn't get fixed :P |
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| 14:09.53 | nevcairiel | why is the mmo-c blue tracker enforcing a special font :( the wow forums look so much better when they let my browser choose the font |
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| 14:11.53 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: you've not told your browser to use Comic Sans MS, have you? |
| 14:12.09 | nevcairiel | no, i've told it to use my global system font |
| 14:12.38 | nevcairiel | but the default helvetica font looks all pixely on linux, and so looks the bluetracker now .( |
| 14:12.40 | foxlit | You'll see helvetica, and you'll LIKE it. |
| 14:13.04 | cbreak | nevcairiel: get a mac and copy the helvetica font form there |
| 14:13.07 | cbreak | it's really good |
| 14:13.22 | haste | nevcairiel: so depends on distro :p |
| 14:13.31 | foxlit | mac text rendering is also generally... different |
| 14:13.53 | nevcairiel | haste, you use gentoo too, iirc, so tell me where to get a better helvetica font :p |
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| 14:14.09 | haste | I use the ubuntu patches ontop of X :p |
| 14:14.18 | haste | for better LCD rendering of fonts |
| 14:14.18 | nevcairiel | bah :p |
| 14:14.40 | nevcairiel | manual fix ups? |
| 14:14.51 | nevcairiel | or some handy ebuild to pull? ;) |
| 14:14.51 | sacarasc | Using gentoo with ubuntu patches is like an unholy marriage made of suck |
| 14:14.52 | haste | think there are some ebuilds in the devnull overlay |
| 14:15.19 | cbreak | linotype probably could sell you some fonts for a ton of money :) |
| 14:15.32 | nevcairiel | i already turned on subpixel rendering etc, which makes it look all good on most other fonts |
| 14:15.35 | nevcairiel | just not helvetica |
| 14:15.57 | nevcairiel | I copied most ttfs from my windows install, anyway |
| 14:19.19 | haste | nevcairiel: http://hg.core.ws/devnull/ fetch freetype and fontconfig |
| 14:21.55 | nevcairiel | bah no hg yet |
| 14:22.04 | mikma | so humm, why won't this following work at login? (WGTime is SV) if type(WGTime) == "number" then oldtime = WGTime; WGTime = {} ; WGTime[realmName] = oldtime end |
| 14:22.18 | mikma | for some reason it doesn't even touch the WGTime, just leaves it |
| 14:22.51 | mikma | but if i execute the code in game, it works just fine |
| 14:23.10 | haste | My guess is that you do it before VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 14:23.44 | mikma | hmm, before or after |
| 14:24.01 | haste | if you want the savedvars, then do it after |
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| 14:24.31 | mikma | ok i'll give it a go |
| 14:24.50 | cbreak | WGTime is probably nil |
| 14:25.30 | mikma | at that point, maybe |
| 14:28.25 | mikma | also, actually closing "if" might help |
| 14:31.23 | foxlit | psst |
| 14:31.23 | foxlit | WGTime = {[realmName] = WGTime}; |
| 14:32.31 | mikma | just because it's you, let's go by that |
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| 14:50.07 | nevcairiel | haste, now thats much better, thanks for the hint :) |
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| 14:57.05 | haste | np :) |
| 14:57.45 | haste | I hate the 10mbit hub here (yes, HUB!) |
| 14:57.55 | haste | as soon as the network gets smoe load (ie 1MB/s) it dies |
| 14:58.07 | haste | and that makes the music chop here :( |
| 14:58.23 | nevcairiel | 10mbit hub? those things still exist? |
| 14:58.53 | nevcairiel | I haven't seen any hub in .. a while .. don't want to imagine 10mbit |
| 14:58.58 | haste | my switch died |
| 14:59.06 | haste | so I went for the best replacement |
| 14:59.15 | nevcairiel | actually, only 10mbit ethernet i ever used was BNC |
| 14:59.25 | haste | my computer doesn't have a graphics card anyway right now, so 10mbit is fine |
| 14:59.52 | nevcairiel | you have a habit of letting your stuff die lately |
| 15:00.40 | haste | the switch died ages ago :p |
| 15:00.58 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 15:01.09 | haste | I'm just too lazy to buy a new one |
| 15:04.12 | haste | but now I actually have to buy a new one |
| 15:04.52 | nevcairiel | oh man xkcd is sick again :P |
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| 18:03.53 | Shirik | aimed shot is instant cast? |
| 18:04.02 | [dRaCo] | yes |
| 18:04.04 | Shirik | wtf |
| 18:04.05 | Shirik | since when |
| 18:04.14 | Shirik | and who the hell aims in 0s |
| 18:04.14 | [dRaCo] | 3.0.0, iirc |
| 18:04.45 | [dRaCo] | hunters, apparently |
| 18:05.17 | selckin | they call it smart arrows with gnomish gps technology |
| 18:05.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: thats why they're hunters, because they can do that :P |
| 18:08.06 | Shirik | greater heal should be instant cast |
| 18:08.13 | Shirik | we can use ultra capacitors |
| 18:08.38 | Dewin | selckin: gnomish gps technology is standard in all arrows. Have you ever shot at a moving mob and watched your arrow turn in midair? |
| 18:09.14 | Dewin | It's particularly fun on clefthoof/rhino style mobs because they'll do their attack animation and the arrow target is close to their face, so it'll spiral all over the place as they attack. |
| 18:09.15 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, lets just make everything instant cast |
| 18:10.01 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: Warcraft Fighter II? |
| 18:10.10 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, its crazy watching my LB's do a hard right hand turn to hit the target :P |
| 18:10.29 | Dewin | My favorite is when I'm on a mount and something with ranged attacks aggros me |
| 18:10.49 | Dewin | so I'll have an arrow/fireball/whatever follow me for half a mile |
| 18:10.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Hehe,I think they made them faster, though. |
| 18:11.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont seem to be able to do that as well as i could |
| 18:11.33 | Dewin | on an epic mount you can. |
| 18:11.42 | Shirik | yeah that's always fun Dewin |
| 18:11.44 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, i mean on an epic mount :P |
| 18:11.52 | Dewin | but some abilities don't track that far, and they'll eventually hit you for damage even while the animation is still trying to catch you |
| 18:11.57 | Shirik | The best is when you die in PVP and release too early |
| 18:12.06 | Shirik | and then the bolt will follow you from across the map |
| 18:12.12 | Shirik | and hit you while you're a ghost |
| 18:12.15 | Fisker- | Shirik holy light should be passive |
| 18:12.17 | Dewin | niice. |
| 18:12.39 | Dewin | Heh, I remember accidentally exploiting lag when dying awhile back. |
| 18:12.50 | Dewin | when patch 3.0.1 first hit and there were severe server issues. |
| 18:13.01 | Dewin | I released and it took so long to teleport me to the gy that I was able to ressurect |
| 18:13.18 | Dewin | I got teleported to the GY afterwards and was alive. Conveniently, that's the direction I was headed too. |
| 18:16.49 | nevcairiel | that happend back in sunwell quite often |
| 18:19.03 | Dewin | I also played a game that had some fairly harsh penalties for dying... but when the server detected a major lag spike it'd autoress people who died during it. |
| 18:19.25 | Dewin | Of course, there was problems of people being places buffed to the max, but you lose buffs upon dying... so you'd get autoressed, suddenly have no buffs, and die again. |
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| 18:44.50 | Shirik | anyone here use titan panel? |
| 18:45.47 | Fisker- | a wild Fisker- appears. |
| 18:46.28 | Shirik | Okay guys, little question, maybe someone can help me |
| 18:46.32 | Shirik | nevcairiel is good with regexes! |
| 18:46.52 | Shirik | I have a regex which is used to try to identify addon folders which are parts of other addons |
| 18:46.55 | ckknight | pokemon was a fun game |
| 18:46.57 | Shirik | for example, Bongos3_roll |
| 18:47.07 | ckknight | Shirik: regex or lua pattern? |
| 18:47.10 | Shirik | regex |
| 18:47.14 | ckknight | k. |
| 18:47.19 | Shirik | I currently use "^([^_\\-]+?)(?:[\\-_](.*))?$" |
| 18:47.28 | Shirik | All of them should have the same first capture group |
| 18:47.30 | Fisker- | lol emo |
| 18:47.37 | Fisker- | [^_\\] |
| 18:47.39 | Fisker- | i lol'd |
| 18:47.41 | nevcairiel | What if the addon itself contains a underscore? |
| 18:47.52 | Shirik | I take care of that later, not too worried about that |
| 18:47.58 | nevcairiel | k |
| 18:47.59 | Shirik | it just means a minor performance hit |
| 18:48.08 | Shirik | But what I'm having trouble with is Titan |
| 18:48.21 | Shirik | its default package has folders named Titan, TitanAmmo, TitanBag, etc. |
| 18:48.22 | nevcairiel | How is that? |
| 18:48.29 | nevcairiel | haha no seperator |
| 18:48.53 | Shirik | see any good way to handle that? |
| 18:49.02 | nevcairiel | remember what was in the zip? |
| 18:49.14 | Shirik | At the time this is used, I will never have seen anything |
| 18:49.27 | Shirik | This is from when it is first detecting everything |
| 18:50.44 | nevcairiel | i don't see any obvious easy solution though |
| 18:50.48 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:50.58 | Iriel | Name based association seems inherently misguiided |
| 18:51.11 | Shirik | I don't have much of another solution, Iriel |
| 18:51.30 | Shirik | At the point this is used, there is no information to go off of |
| 18:51.55 | Shirik | It would be corrected later automatically, but I wanted it to be right on the first run, too |
| 18:52.59 | Iriel | what is the consequence if it's wrong? |
| 18:53.26 | Shirik | it might try to download the wrong thing |
| 18:53.48 | Shirik | (in addition to the right thing) |
| 18:55.54 | Iriel | Is that the case for both wrongs? |
| 18:55.56 | cbreak | you could do some kind of matching of all addons with each other |
| 18:56.01 | Iriel | (namely OVERassociation and UNDERassociation)? |
| 18:56.17 | cbreak | if an addon's name is the start of an other addon's name it's the parent |
| 18:56.30 | Shirik | I'm sorry I don't understand Iriel |
| 18:56.46 | Shirik | cbreak: That was the idea |
| 18:56.49 | cbreak | but then there's "MikScrollingBattleText" which is the parent of "MSBTOptions" |
| 18:56.59 | Iriel | Shirik: You can get it wrong 2 ways |
| 18:57.09 | Shirik | I'm not really worried about MSBTOptions as it probably won't match anything |
| 18:57.10 | Iriel | either you say AA and AB are related when in fact they're not |
| 18:57.19 | Iriel | or you consider AA and AB unrelated, when they are in fact related |
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| 18:58.00 | Shirik | When I say they are related, I'm not worried. That will be automatically corrected. When they do match, basically anything that's considered a child is delayed, waiting for the parent to finish. At that point it will know 100% sure whether or not it was a child |
| 18:58.10 | Shirik | The second case is potentially bad |
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| 18:58.46 | Iriel | err on the side of doing the bad one less often |
| 18:59.09 | cbreak | it contains "## Dependencies: MikScrollingBattleText" |
| 18:59.14 | cbreak | maybe you can read out that? |
| 18:59.23 | cbreak | although not all dependencies are parents |
| 18:59.27 | cbreak | probably most aren't :/ |
| 19:00.06 | Shirik | yeah that's what I'm trying to do Iriel |
| 19:00.13 | Shirik | I changed my regex to this |
| 19:00.13 | Shirik | "^(?:([^_\\-]+?)(?:[\\-_](.*))?)|(?:([^A-Za-z]*[^a-z][a-z]*)([^a-z].*))$" |
| 19:00.30 | Shirik | Adding the second case of camelcase addon names |
| 19:00.50 | Shirik | "^(?:([^_\\-]+?)(?:[\\-_](.*))?)|(?:([^A-Za-z]*[^a-z][a-z]+)([^a-z].*))$" |
| 19:00.52 | Shirik | is probably better |
| 19:01.50 | zenzelezz | you assume they only use A-Z? |
| 19:02.01 | Shirik | For this particular check, yes |
| 19:02.38 | Shirik | I take that back, I assume they start with a letter |
| 19:02.50 | Shirik | or they use a separator |
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| 19:22.35 | Fisker- | gonna make a panel mod |
| 19:22.50 | Fisker- | Gonna be !!!modname |
| 19:23.11 | Fisker- | and addons for it will be like "Ammoemandom!!! |
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| 19:28.25 | Shirik | Fisker- is strange |
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| 19:38.50 | Fisker- | yes Shirik |
| 19:38.51 | Fisker- | very |
| 19:39.08 | Shirik | nice Dolby |
| 19:39.11 | Shirik | er, mt |
| 19:39.16 | Fisker- | I'm no reiserfs though |
| 19:39.17 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 19:41.28 | mikma | many many times i wish Death Grip would work on partymembers |
| 19:41.34 | mikma | "rogue on me" -> joink |
| 19:42.53 | Shirik | ok got it |
| 19:43.01 | Shirik | ^(?:([^_\-]+?)[\-_](.*))|(?:([^A-Za-z]*?[^a-z][a-z]+)([^a-z].*))|(?:(.+))$ |
| 19:43.04 | Shirik | Pro regex |
| 19:43.34 | cbreak | I see smileys in there |
| 19:43.34 | Fisker- | got rid of the emokid :( |
| 19:44.00 | Shirik | Fisker-: He's right there at the beginning? |
| 19:44.03 | Shirik | or did you want \\? |
| 19:44.08 | Shirik | In the Java source it's \\ |
| 19:45.05 | NightHawkTheSane | http://holypants.com/daily/articles/12/2-ducks-1-cup |
| 19:45.15 | Fisker- | haha wtf |
| 19:45.31 | Fisker- | You can duel the opposite faction in dalaran |
| 19:45.34 | Fisker- | but you can't attack them |
| 19:45.46 | Shirik | nice |
| 19:46.22 | Shirik | oops, Blizzard Launcher just crashed |
| 19:46.29 | zenzelezz | it's a pacifist duel Fisker- |
| 19:46.48 | Shirik | apparently it tries to use a ocx which is no longer included in windows |
| 19:49.02 | Fisker- | yeah Shirik |
| 19:49.10 | Fisker- | emokid isn't emo if there's not 2 \'s |
| 19:49.30 | Fisker- | that must be why i lost then zenzelezz :( |
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| 20:33.43 | Shirik | oh my god |
| 20:33.57 | Shirik | I just realized my blacbkerry is running like... an OS that's been outdated for about 4 months now |
| 20:34.07 | Shirik | no wonder it crashes all the time >< |
| 20:36.58 | nevcairiel | 4 month is old for an OS? |
| 20:36.58 | foxlit | <>? |
| 20:37.08 | foxlit | "no wonder it crashes all the time"? |
| 20:37.17 | Shirik | yeah, the old OSes had serious problems with memory leaks :P |
| 20:37.20 | Shirik | I think they rushed it out |
| 20:37.56 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Not an OS, but think about going 4 months without any windows updates |
| 20:37.59 | Shirik | that kind of thing |
| 20:38.36 | cbreak | if it's not broken, don't fix it. And software has the nice property of not breaking due to old age :) |
| 20:39.31 | haste | too bad hardware doesn't agree |
| 20:39.51 | cbreak | hardware is different |
| 20:40.03 | cbreak | hardware has to deal with the third law of thermodynamics |
| 20:41.18 | Shirik | It works well, but there are definitely things that prompt me needing the upgrade |
| 20:46.32 | Lyn | mikma eats cows |
| 20:47.49 | mikma | tasty burger is tasty |
| 20:47.56 | Lyn | mikma, in our local basketball team one of the guys is called "schimanski" with surname |
| 20:49.21 | mikma | lyn: coolmanski! |
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| 20:53.17 | JamesWC | Hello! I put my hamster in his ball so I could clean his cage...now him and his ball are missing! I've looked under beds, everywhere! |
| 20:53.49 | nevcairiel | I believe Ackis is in charge of hamsters |
| 20:53.59 | [dRaCo] | he definitly is |
| 20:54.50 | Lyn | mikma, y |
| 20:55.05 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/wowserverupgrade.jpg |
| 20:55.30 | nevcairiel | hey two hamsters |
| 20:55.34 | nevcairiel | its getting better |
| 20:55.44 | JamesWC | omg yall im serious |
| 20:56.00 | Dezzi | buy a cat |
| 20:56.51 | Kirov | JamesWC - then why are you sitting here in IRC. Go keep looking. |
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| 21:00.17 | Shirik | I'm not sure whether I should ban him or let him come back for future entertainment |
| 21:01.03 | [dRaCo] | he hasnt done anything bad, has he? |
| 21:01.27 | Shirik | technically he's violated freenode policy |
| 21:01.39 | Shirik | then again by those standards we all have at some point in time in this channel |
| 21:01.50 | [dRaCo] | what'd he do? |
| 21:01.58 | [dRaCo] | talking about his hamster? |
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| 21:03.21 | Shirik | "Off-topic activity may result in users being barred from the network." |
| 21:03.31 | Fisker- | i lol'd |
| 21:03.42 | Fisker- | i would've been glined ages ago then :( |
| 21:03.46 | [dRaCo] | ouch, that's one mean policy |
| 21:03.56 | Shirik | Like I said, we've all technically violated that policy :P |
| 21:04.05 | Shirik | and I think that's there for more of spam issues |
| 21:04.16 | [dRaCo] | I'd guess so |
| 21:04.26 | [dRaCo] | otherwise it'd defeat the purpose of IRC |
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| 21:04.39 | [dRaCo] | which is talking about nonsense, amongst other sense |
| 21:04.53 | [dRaCo] | *other things |
| 21:04.56 | [dRaCo] | ... |
| 21:05.06 | nevcairiel | Shirik, i doubt anyone on this network was *always* on topic |
| 21:05.13 | haste | I would just have removed other from that sentence |
| 21:05.18 | Shirik | (16:03:52) (@Shirik) Like I said, we've all technically violated that policy :P |
| 21:05.31 | Shirik | Me more than most, probably |
| 21:05.44 | Arrowmaster | Fisker- more than most |
| 21:06.11 | [dRaCo] | nonsense amongst sense... now we're getting philosophical. |
| 21:06.20 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b Shirik!*@*] by Shirik |
| 21:06.22 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b Shirik!*@*] by Shirik |
| 21:06.24 | Shirik | Um |
| 21:06.24 | haste | :p |
| 21:06.25 | Shirik | hm |
| 21:06.38 | Shirik | I thought that might trigger my ban protection script ^_^ guess not |
| 21:10.49 | Fisker- | you're a fucking amateur Shirik |
| 21:15.19 | Shirik | I'm looking at possible inernships and I see this listed |
| 21:15.28 | Shirik | Travel: Yes, 10% of the time |
| 21:15.30 | Shirik | What does that mean? |
| 21:17.16 | zenzelezz | that 1/10th of the time, you'll be travelling |
| 21:18.29 | Shirik | that's strange for an internship |
| 21:18.47 | zenzelezz | depends what sort, I guess |
| 21:19.00 | Shirik | "Software Test Developer" |
| 21:19.15 | zenzelezz | maybe you'll be doing off-site testing! |
| 21:19.50 | Shirik | still seems a bit odd |
| 21:21.44 | [dRaCo] | back when I did that internship for an IT solutions provider, they used to take me to installation/deployment tours |
| 21:21.58 | [dRaCo] | so that's probably something like that |
| 21:23.08 | Fisker- | Someone should ask Heath Ledger if he's going to be in the next batman movie |
| 21:23.09 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 21:23.18 | Shirik | food time byebye |
| 21:23.22 | Fisker- | bai |
| 21:23.36 | Thunder_Child | you do that Fisker-, tell me what the response is |
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| 21:31.42 | Thrae | http://stoneandsteel.yuku.com/topic/3123/t/The-Return-of-Deksar-tm-and-the-new-Gaming-Rig-TDE-IV.html <-- my new gaming rig, online now |
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| 21:34.23 | foxlit | teeehee, it's got such important components as "Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM " :) |
| 21:36.27 | Kirov | you're not overclocking the i7? |
| 21:36.59 | Thunder_Child | they have a faster card than the 260...and it's not even in SLI |
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| 21:39.05 | JamesWC | When I login, everyones names and such is <Unknown> |
| 21:39.25 | cbreak | slow network? |
| 21:39.31 | Nizomi | hm, any addons that save the things npcs say let you view it? |
| 21:39.33 | cbreak | names take some time to load |
| 21:39.40 | Zootfizzle | Did you at least find your hamster? |
| 21:39.48 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: 12gb ram? |
| 21:39.54 | JamesWC | Yes, he was behind the couch |
| 21:39.55 | Nizomi | i sometimes loose track when they say like 20+ sentences and scrolling the chat sucks :/ |
| 21:40.24 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Typo, fixed. 6GB. |
| 21:41.03 | Thunder_Child | i need 12gb of ram... |
| 21:41.32 | Arrowmaster | i need to look at motherboards and pick one, thats about the only important component to decide on for a new system |
| 21:42.45 | Nizomi | Thunder_Child: what would you need 12gb of ram for? |
| 21:43.23 | Thunder_Child | my computer Nizomi |
| 21:43.23 | Arrowmaster | ram disking wow? |
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| 21:43.32 | Nizomi | xD |
| 21:43.55 | Thunder_Child | i can use about 3gb of ram at idle |
| 21:43.56 | Arrowmaster | i lie, my data wow data dir wouldnt even fit on that |
| 21:44.14 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: /Users is on the RAID0 of Raptors, which is more then fast enough for WoW |
| 21:44.19 | Thunder_Child | a little redundant there Arrowmaster |
| 21:50.41 | Shirik | "Please select all non-USA countries where you are a citizen or national" |
| 21:50.53 | Shirik | "Not specified" and "Not applicable" are both options |
| 21:51.07 | Shirik | I'm confused as to why "Not specified" would be an option at all >.> |
| 21:51.24 | Thunder_Child | is there more than one "USA-country"? |
| 21:51.53 | Shirik | there's no USA countries |
| 21:51.59 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:52.04 | Shirik | I dunno >< |
| 21:52.10 | Shirik | that's what it says! |
| 21:52.12 | Shirik | don't blame me for the app |
| 21:53.02 | Thunder_Child | my answer would be 2 i guess |
| 21:54.34 | Tekkub | fuck you flash |
| 21:54.48 | Tekkub | the load screen has music, but when I pick the next puzzle, no music |
| 21:55.02 | Tekkub | why oh why must flash be so shitty |
| 21:55.33 | Arrowmaster | love sites that list md5s of their files, the trial version that you cant download without giving them an email address and the update version have the same md5 |
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| 22:11.14 | Nizomi | meh any ideas why my wow started to have this weird behavior a few days ago? (it sometimes freezes for 1~ sec about every 1-2 secs) |
| 22:11.27 | Nizomi | like 5~20 times and then it goes back to normal |
| 22:11.29 | Nizomi | for a while |
| 22:11.30 | Nizomi | ... |
| 22:13.03 | Iriel | Hm.. no.. I get a wierd pause whenever I first look at an item |
| 22:13.12 | Iriel | I'm not sure if it's wow or one of the addons I use loading |
| 22:13.51 | Nizomi | wow needs a built-in task-manager thingy |
| 22:13.52 | Nizomi | xD |
| 22:14.09 | Tekkub | people just need to stop putting out bad addons |
| 22:15.18 | Thunder_Child | ya, like that Tekkub guy |
| 22:15.29 | Nizomi | hm lemme try disabling guildads |
| 22:15.54 | Nizomi | actually the only addon i installed in the few days ago |
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| 22:38.24 | Fisker- | i can't sleep :( |
| 22:38.31 | haste | weak! |
| 22:38.41 | AnduinLothar | move to CA, it's 2pm |
| 22:38.43 | Fisker- | hey haste |
| 22:38.46 | Fisker- | i hate you |
| 22:38.53 | Fisker- | but i guess you already know :( |
| 22:39.03 | haste | yes. |
| 22:41.21 | Fisker- | so what now? |
| 22:41.40 | haste | listen to music! |
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| 23:19.38 | Nizomi | bolt, zoom zoom |
| 23:19.38 | Nizomi | xD |
| 23:24.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, for low-power devices (USB), if I'm splicing the wires and don't have electrical tape, using normal tape/"other methods" won't matter too much, will it? |
| 23:25.18 | Matrix110 | if its not aluminium foil no :P |
| 23:25.35 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:25.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I was guessing |
| 23:25.46 | ScytheBlade1 | (and aluminum foil is actually a terrible conductor) |
| 23:25.57 | ScytheBlade1 | (better than a human sure, but it still isn't great) |
| 23:26.08 | Matrix110 | its the most common stuff people have you shouldnt wrap around cables though :D |
| 23:26.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:26.15 | ScytheBlade1 | fair enough |
| 23:26.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Splicing an xbox adapter and a maleUSB adapter |
| 23:26.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Cheap joystick for my computer ;D |
| 23:28.56 | cogwheel | Anyone know whether the SetBinding____ functions require SHIFT-, CTRL-, and ALT- prefixes to appear in a particular order? |
| 23:29.03 | ScytheBlade1 | it does |
| 23:29.11 | ScytheBlade1 | (what that order is, I can never remember) |
| 23:29.29 | Kirov | I use gold foil for my insulation on electronics. |
| 23:29.48 | Kirov | I keep having weird shorts though, so I might start using copper too. |
| 23:29.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:30.46 | Kirov | honestly though, I'm often surprised by how little most people understand electricity. |
| 23:30.53 | [dRaCo] | for usb, any adhesive tape should do |
| 23:32.09 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah that's what I'm thinking |
| 23:32.21 | ScytheBlade1 | The devices aren't even really powered like you'd get out of a mobile phone |
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| 23:44.00 | Nizomi | so |
| 23:44.09 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 23:44.36 | Nizomi | a while ago (some years) i've read that some people invest much time to search for green items with the same stats as epic items, because green items are better in something |
| 23:44.44 | Nizomi | is that still valid? |
| 23:45.43 | [dRaCo] | since the item budget depends on both the item level and the "rareness", I'd say no |
| 23:45.52 | zenzelezz | given the same exact stats, greens would be better by repair cost |
| 23:46.23 | [dRaCo] | it might work if the green item has several item levels more |
| 23:47.04 | [dRaCo] | otherwise, the budget for a green item doesn't allow for as many stats |
| 23:47.25 | ScytheBlade1 | only in the sense that a level 80 green is better than a level 60 purple, sure |
| 23:47.45 | Thunder_Child | greens were always better in a particular stat...eg. you could find a green with a very high stat in one thing but no other stats |
| 23:53.03 | ScytheBlade1 | YEA |
| 23:53.06 | ScytheBlade1 | GO SCOTCH TAPE, IT WORKS |
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| 23:56.11 | Nizomi | hm k |
| 23:56.17 | Nizomi | well going to bed ^^ good night |
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