| 00:05.55 | kd3 | har. fark: "Remember learning cursive in grade school? Good, 'cause your kids won't [Interesting]" |
| 00:06.08 | *** join/#wowuidev ReAn[Laptop] (i=rean@h5-197.wlan.ucalgary.ca) |
| 00:06.16 | kd3 | funny how true that is... as soon as I hit high school my teachers stopped caring, just so long as it was legible |
| 00:07.09 | Olorin | whats the easiest alternative to chicken mount to get on horde for bloodelf at 30, |
| 00:08.04 | alestane | Big Blizzard Bear, if you're elegible for it. |
| 00:08.08 | cog|work | are there still rep requirements for the other races? |
| 00:08.14 | kd3 | rep, yes |
| 00:08.15 | cog|work | i know they removed the racial restrictions |
| 00:08.17 | alestane | AFAIK Yes. |
| 00:08.23 | *** join/#wowuidev ReAn[Laptop] (i=rean@h5-197.wlan.ucalgary.ca) |
| 00:08.31 | kd3 | still gotta hit exalted with your non-racial factions if you want one of their mounts |
| 00:08.47 | Olorin | hmm big blizzy bear huh, that the one in dalaran? 800g? |
| 00:09.05 | alestane | No,. it's a BlizzCon perk. |
| 00:09.35 | Olorin | well i didnt go lol so whats next? |
| 00:09.41 | NightHawkTheSane | grinding rep |
| 00:10.30 | alestane | I know as a draenei I made exalted with SW at level 42 or so. |
| 00:11.29 | Olorin | aye i can probably get TB faction at about same level or trolls for raptor , guess till then ill swallow my pride |
| 00:14.41 | *** join/#wowuidev nobin (n=nobin@147.252.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 00:17.26 | KarlKFI | Big Blizzy Bear requires Blizzard rep |
| 00:17.45 | KarlKFI | Rep can be gained with Monthly and Yearly quests |
| 00:18.14 | KarlKFI | Mostly involving gathering currency for the quest giver. |
| 00:18.50 | Olorin | can probably get talbuk before i get that lol |
| 00:19.12 | KarlKFI | kinda like the Pally lvl 60 mount, where they said "Hey I have an idea, lets give them a super long quest chain but charge them just as much money as everyone else to get their mount!" |
| 00:20.04 | Olorin | true then about a month after i got mine its on trainer :/ |
| 00:20.36 | KarlKFI | so you bend over and say "Here mr quest giver, here's 200g 'donation' to the church!" |
| 00:21.03 | KarlKFI | "Why yes, I'd love to go gather 200g worth of materials and make ANOTHER donation." |
| 00:21.38 | ZorbaTHut | I wish I knew which of my UI mods kept breaking the Glyphs and Achievements pages |
| 00:21.58 | KarlKFI | prolly the glyph and achievement addons |
| 00:22.02 | KarlKFI | ;) |
| 00:25.43 | Tewan | what's a program like Ultramon for Ubuntu? |
| 00:26.03 | kd3 | lm_sensors, then any gui frontend to it |
| 00:34.56 | Thunder_Child | ooh ooh ooh |
| 00:46.00 | Thunder_Child | oh goody, my 2009 easter seals just came in the mail |
| 00:47.46 | *** join/#wowuidev spode (n=spode@213.21.89.233) |
| 00:47.50 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> http://i41.tinypic.com/11lq8n4.jpg |
| 00:48.04 | Cairenn | NightHawkTheSane: ? |
| 00:48.06 | End | GOATSE |
| 00:48.08 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 00:48.12 | Cairenn | you proposing to someone? |
| 00:48.12 | NightHawkTheSane | End: .. thank you. |
| 00:48.13 | End | oh wait, I wasn't supposed to say it |
| 00:48.13 | Thunder_Child | one of the nicer ones |
| 00:48.20 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, see ends commen |
| 00:48.21 | Thunder_Child | t |
| 00:48.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: no, just browsing reddit |
| 00:48.54 | NightHawkTheSane | what End said. the ring is, yes? :P |
| 00:48.55 | Thunder_Child | ...really? |
| 00:49.07 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, you fail at this |
| 00:49.12 | Thunder_Child | ~wiki goatse |
| 00:49.13 | Cairenn | apparently |
| 00:49.19 | Cairenn | I know what goatse is |
| 00:49.30 | Thunder_Child | well then why are you confused? |
| 00:49.44 | Cairenn | I don't understand how that applies to the ring - it's a very nice ring of two hands holding a heart |
| 00:49.56 | Thunder_Child | yet it gives the impression of gatse |
| 00:50.02 | Thunder_Child | goatse* |
| 00:50.06 | End | they're gripping open the heart with great strength |
| 00:50.12 | End | ok, I should just shut up |
| 00:50.15 | Cairenn | yeah, okay .... |
| 00:50.25 | Cairenn | I suppose, but that wasn't what I saw at first |
| 00:50.38 | NightHawkTheSane | you're probably just more innocent than some of us. |
| 00:50.39 | End | well, clearly you're not immature enough |
| 00:50.44 | Cairenn | guess that's the diff between girls and boys :p |
| 00:50.45 | Thunder_Child | which just proves your better than us |
| 00:52.18 | Cairenn | either that or I'm still just very distracted in thinking about the phone call I was on :p |
| 00:54.09 | Cairenn | btw ... thanks a lot ... now that's going to be the only thing I can think of whenever I see any similar rings :p |
| 00:54.19 | End | >_> |
| 00:54.58 | alestane | Not a claddagh, not crowned. |
| 00:55.26 | NightHawkTheSane | haha, mission accomplished. :) |
| 00:55.55 | Cairenn | alestane: thank god, otherwise I'd never be able to wear mine again, which would be a real problem since it's my engagement ring and has been soldered to my wedding band |
| 00:56.01 | Thunder_Child | what else can we mess up Cairenn's mind with? |
| 00:56.18 | alestane | Thou shalt NOT break the webmistress. |
| 00:56.44 | Cairenn | oh sweetie, they've got to work a whole hell of a lot harder than that to break me :) |
| 00:57.20 | Cairenn | but thank you for the defense :) |
| 00:57.33 | alestane | ...as you say, m'lady. |
| 00:57.49 | Thunder_Child | uh...it's rather easy to break people |
| 01:00.45 | Lunessa | wait - Cairenn has been around MMO/programming geeks as long as such sub-cultures have existed. That she has not yet broken is proof that she cannot be. Q.E.D. |
| 01:00.56 | Cairenn | :) |
| 01:01.20 | ckknight | I invoke rule #34 |
| 01:01.39 | Cairenn | maybe not _quite_ as long as they've existed (at leas the "programming geeks portion), but ;) |
| 01:02.12 | Lunessa | Cairenn: MMO/programming geeks is its own sub-culture. |
| 01:02.19 | Cairenn | true dat |
| 01:02.26 | End | ckknight: how can you invoke that rule? we don't even know what breaks her |
| 01:02.46 | Lunessa | Isn't that the "There is nor rule#34"? |
| 01:02.52 | ckknight | if there is not porn of her, she does not exist. |
| 01:02.58 | End | haha |
| 01:03.02 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:03.20 | End | I guess I didn't realize you were applying the rule the other way around :P |
| 01:03.22 | Thunder_Child | eh...i meant break break...like physical and psychological torture |
| 01:03.22 | ckknight | also rule #16 |
| 01:03.25 | ckknight | no girls on the internet |
| 01:03.26 | Cairenn | errr |
| 01:03.28 | Cairenn | nm |
| 01:03.46 | ckknight | hehe, Cairenn |
| 01:03.48 | Lunessa | ... |
| 01:04.19 | Thunder_Child | thats not disturbing or anything Lunessa |
| 01:04.34 | Cairenn | I didn't think it was _that_ horrifying a concept, Lunessa :p |
| 01:04.38 | ckknight | on a related note, vote for Shamwow: http://www.cnbc.com/id/28855631/ |
| 01:05.27 | Lunessa | You're not thinking it through to the farthest conclusions. |
| 01:05.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i'm actually more horrified by a goatse ring than the concept of Cairenn's husband having... videos.. of her/them |
| 01:06.07 | Lunessa | I'm not /worried/ or /disturbed/. |
| 01:06.50 | KarlKFI | she'll jsut have better things to do than sleep |
| 01:06.56 | KarlKFI | ;) |
| 01:06.58 | Lunessa | Actually, I retract that. My mental state is commonly referred to (in polite circles) as /disturbed/. |
| 01:07.12 | Lunessa | KarlKFI: Lunessa is ... very male. |
| 01:07.21 | KarlKFI | she/he, who cares |
| 01:07.25 | KarlKFI | this is the internet |
| 01:07.33 | Lunessa | So true. |
| 01:07.34 | ckknight | there are no girls on the internet. he. |
| 01:07.49 | batrick | bleeter: thanks |
| 01:08.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Kathrin-27^away (n=kati-zh@59-34-239-77-pool.cable.fcom.ch) |
| 01:08.41 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14498293819&sid=1#9 |
| 01:08.41 | KarlKFI | get a more masculine name imo, something like Luner or Lunesso would be sufficient |
| 01:09.33 | End | Lunessarhino |
| 01:09.35 | KarlKFI | or you could go with BobTheTrucker |
| 01:09.39 | Lunessa | KarlKFI: Meh, my nic of choice is already in use, and this one matched the names I used to post with. To make it more confusing, Cairenn and Dolby both knew me as "Lothay" before. |
| 01:09.53 | End | Okay Lothay |
| 01:09.57 | KarlKFI | that's sufficiently manly |
| 01:10.08 | Cairenn | yep, which really did confuse me for the longest time |
| 01:10.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Burgundy (i=bingothe@89.115.11.89) |
| 01:10.41 | Lunessa | Back in the EQUI.com days when I cared about EQ. |
| 01:10.57 | KarlKFI | maybe I should pick a third screen name just to confuse everyone |
| 01:11.14 | KarlKFI | something completely different, like IronMan |
| 01:11.38 | Lunessa | I want to use "Unkle" but some goofus already has it. /shrug |
| 01:11.49 | KarlKFI | i always thought he was one of the coolest super heroes... not wearing spandex but sheet metal instead |
| 01:11.54 | KarlKFI | and who doesn't want rocket launcher arms |
| 01:12.33 | KarlKFI | and he's not quite as emo as batman |
| 01:13.06 | KarlKFI | and not as flamboyant as Captain America |
| 01:13.13 | KarlKFI | tho his shield was pretty epic |
| 01:13.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=Shirik@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 01:13.32 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 01:13.43 | Lunessa | Nah, it's a [Legendary] |
| 01:13.48 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 01:14.07 | KarlKFI | i mostly just liked the whole throwing his shield thing |
| 01:14.46 | KarlKFI | shields always seemed pretty boring to me, until it became a weapon |
| 01:15.19 | KarlKFI | or glowing.. the D2 glowing shield was pretty cool too |
| 01:15.27 | Lunessa | So you need a Titanium shield Spike. |
| 01:15.33 | KarlKFI | i had one |
| 01:15.39 | KarlKFI | then i needed defense |
| 01:15.43 | KarlKFI | now i have shield block |
| 01:15.51 | KarlKFI | which == moar shield slam dmg |
| 01:15.56 | KarlKFI | RAWR |
| 01:16.40 | KarlKFI | the spike would be better if i had more block %, but i try to keep it pretty low |
| 01:17.48 | KarlKFI | i'm only like 3% away from unhittable tho, so another piece or two... |
| 01:18.12 | *** join/#wowuidev ckknight_ (n=Cameron@c-68-62-175-169.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 01:18.15 | KarlKFI | tho i have almost the best gear in the game... *yawn* time to reroll i guess |
| 01:18.23 | KarlKFI | when's 3.0... march? |
| 01:18.43 | alestane | Um, last October? |
| 01:18.50 | KarlKFI | er 3.1 |
| 01:19.03 | KarlKFI | wtb moar raids |
| 01:19.23 | KarlKFI | and maybe some decent trinkets and librams! |
| 01:19.34 | Shirik | rawr |
| 01:19.40 | KarlKFI | it's liek they forgot what makes librams useful or something |
| 01:19.54 | KarlKFI | they all suck |
| 01:20.30 | KarlKFI | and WTF is up with trinkets.... blue heroic trinket best in slot tank trinket? LAME |
| 01:21.41 | *** join/#wowuidev ckknight_ (n=ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 01:21.41 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o ckknight_] by ChanServ |
| 01:22.19 | KarlKFI | There's like 6 pairs of epic tank pant upgrades and like 3 epic trinkets.... and the lvl 200 ilvls are better than the lvl 213's.... |
| 01:22.20 | Thunder_Child | they had that in BC...the blue trinkets being the best...like quags eye |
| 01:22.41 | Thunder_Child | i forgot the other ones exactly |
| 01:22.44 | KarlKFI | it's liek someone was making trinkets at home without access to the loot tables |
| 01:23.47 | KarlKFI | either that or they made the trinkets and them tweaked all the stat modifiers and forgot to update the trinkets |
| 01:25.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Corey (i=Corey@unaffiliated/corey) |
| 01:27.43 | Thunder_Child | hmm..photosynth gives 20gb of space....rather nice. must do more of them. |
| 01:34.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Spellshaper (n=Spellsha@HSI-KBW-078-042-101-229.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 01:35.58 | Shirik | photosynth? |
| 01:38.21 | Shirik | Does anyone know what DOORS is? Google is failing me (mostly because searching for DOORS gives me... well... doors) |
| 01:38.28 | Shirik | It's supposedly something related to software |
| 01:39.47 | mikma | shirik: no its not, its jim! |
| 01:39.55 | mikma | c'mon baby light my fire |
| 01:39.56 | End | it's what covers the entrance to a room |
| 01:40.10 | Shirik | ... |
| 01:40.52 | End | :D |
| 01:41.10 | Shirik | both you and Dolby fail equally at the same time |
| 01:41.12 | Shirik | quite impressive |
| 01:41.34 | End | why, what did dolby say :P |
| 01:41.47 | Shirik | (20:30:16) (+Shirik) eew |
| 01:41.47 | Shirik | (20:30:17) (+Shirik) 24 |
| 01:41.47 | Shirik | (20:35:52) (@Dolby) 24 what? |
| 01:42.09 | mikma | what what? |
| 01:42.38 | Shirik | Here is a summary of what "software DOORS" in google returns for me |
| 01:42.43 | mikma | i think shirik is missing the drinking game of 24 |
| 01:42.48 | Shirik | Open Doors Software: Email free of spam and virus. Wireless forwarding. Secure, private, confidential email. |
| 01:42.58 | Shirik | Access Control Software: Door Access Control Software for up to ... |
| 01:43.06 | Shirik | Marketplace: Translation software opens up doors |
| 01:43.11 | Shirik | Linux.com :: Behind the doors of the Free Software Foundation |
| 01:43.14 | Shirik | Google fails me!!! |
| 01:43.25 | End | look up ibm doors |
| 01:43.36 | Shirik | is it IBM |
| 01:43.52 | End | I dunno, but I found something called telelogic doors |
| 01:44.03 | End | and apparently ibm owns telelogic now |
| 01:44.19 | End | with doors all caps though, so Telelogic DOORS |
| 01:44.40 | Shirik | yey |
| 01:44.41 | Shirik | http://www-01.ibm.com/software/awdtools/doors/ |
| 01:44.43 | Shirik | <3 End |
| 01:44.46 | End | :P |
| 01:44.49 | Shirik | and that's right |
| 01:44.59 | Shirik | Unfortunately |
| 01:45.02 | Shirik | I don't think I have the money for that |
| 01:45.05 | mikma | so.. whats the sudden interest |
| 01:45.06 | Tem|AFK | jaxdahl, Dashkal, PING |
| 01:45.07 | End | I did a 180 and decided to not be worthless |
| 01:45.16 | End | haha |
| 01:45.31 | Dashkal | Tem|AFK: PONG |
| 01:45.41 | Tem|AFK | What changed in the patch that raped my aggro gen? |
| 01:45.52 | Tem|AFK | I can't even break 3k tonight... |
| 01:45.56 | Shirik | mikma: I'm following a tutorial for NI Requirements Gateway and they mentioned DOORS so I was trying to figure out what it is |
| 01:46.02 | mikma | tem|afk: use right presence dork |
| 01:46.08 | Shirik | Tem|AFK: Have you ever thought maybe it's because YOU SUCK |
| 01:46.09 | Shirik | ohhh |
| 01:46.35 | End | I'd like to know what in the patch buffed my aggro gen, because goddammit, warlocks aren't supposed to tank. |
| 01:46.40 | End | I blame our DK tank |
| 01:46.50 | End | must be his fault if Tem is having issues too |
| 01:46.57 | End | not Blizzard, no, can't blame Blizzard |
| 01:47.02 | Dashkal | I haven't been tanking lately. Guild is heavy enough on tanks that the backups don't get called on |
| 01:47.04 | Shirik | Warlocks don't get increased aggro gen... |
| 01:47.10 | Shirik | you just get increased damage |
| 01:47.13 | Shirik | Are you affliction? |
| 01:47.17 | End | yes |
| 01:47.23 | Shirik | Affliction's pretty broke right now |
| 01:47.23 | Tem|AFK | tonight is my first real tanking since the patch |
| 01:47.31 | Shirik | and by broke I mean wtf @ damage output |
| 01:47.33 | Dashkal | Only thing I noticed was a mild DPS boost as blood (just heroics in my solo spec) |
| 01:47.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Qzot (n=ericnick@ppp-71-139-161-95.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 01:47.43 | End | my damage output isn't much different from before the patch |
| 01:47.51 | Shirik | let me find the post on my guild's forums |
| 01:49.30 | Dashkal | I attributed the boost to HS's cleave. My solo spec used to average 1800, and it broke 2000 during my heroic runs for elders |
| 01:49.34 | mikma | noooooooooooooo |
| 01:49.42 | Dashkal | I won't be testing my raid spec until friday |
| 01:50.50 | mikma | i have pvp spec atm |
| 01:50.51 | Qzot | Cairenn: tehre in ur mind messin ur noorons |
| 01:50.55 | mikma | i so <3 it |
| 01:51.05 | Shirik | "So, Affliction is still broken, in fact its gotten worse, so I am respecing. I mean...Emerald's felguard swing did more dps than weezy's last night. He was 33% of her total damage, 25% swing 8% cleave. That is insane. I had 90-93% dps times with all of my dots within 1% of eachother in the appropriate ranges. I couldn't break 4k. My fel hunter still has 8k health, dots are still broken, and I don't see them fixing it soon. Doomguard and Felg |
| 01:51.09 | Shirik | That's the quote from our forums |
| 01:51.14 | Shirik | And Weezy is a pretty good rogue |
| 01:51.53 | End | er |
| 01:52.02 | End | he's complaining affliction isn't good enough and demo is too good? |
| 01:52.03 | End | wtf? |
| 01:52.40 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 01:52.43 | Shirik | yeah sorry :P |
| 01:52.45 | End | also, I've never seen felguard do more than ~1.7k |
| 01:52.52 | Shirik | Let me find the WWS |
| 01:52.55 | End | I'm curious to see the numbers for that :P |
| 01:53.17 | End | affliction is hardly broke in that sense, although they did fix a bug in 3.08 |
| 01:53.22 | End | but 3.0.8 also introduced another bug |
| 01:53.28 | End | but they fixed that in a hotfix |
| 01:53.58 | End | if you had multiple affliction warlocks, then haunt was only affecting one of them for a few days |
| 01:54.42 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder if Blizzard does ingame automated dps testing |
| 01:54.57 | End | I hope so, but probably not |
| 01:55.18 | Shirik | While that would probably be "possible" I doubt it because that's not exactly fair |
| 01:55.20 | Shirik | you can't match DPS |
| 01:55.34 | Shirik | Some classes SHOULD do less DPS |
| 01:55.36 | Shirik | they have utility to make up for it |
| 01:55.38 | ZorbaTHut | you can check to see if things are behaving as they should, however |
| 01:55.51 | ZorbaTHut | two warlocks blasting away at something with Haunt would have uncovered that Haunt bug, for example |
| 01:56.05 | Shirik | That is something you would set up as a regression test |
| 01:56.13 | Shirik | but I doubt you would have the foresight to check that before you found it |
| 01:56.25 | Corey | druids are all you need |
| 01:56.39 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's why I say ingame and automated. you come up with a few dozen random situations with a bunch of assorted classes blasting a target, then you run them all each time there's a patch |
| 01:56.42 | ZorbaTHut | if things change, you figure out why |
| 01:56.56 | ZorbaTHut | any test with two warlocks using Haunt would have uncovered that, even if that's not the only thing they're doing |
| 01:57.31 | ZorbaTHut | (presumably one test would be blizzard-believed-optimal-dps-rotations, and then you'd have a few tests where they tried to use bugprone abilities in weird ways) |
| 01:58.04 | Shirik | (20:56:47) (ZorbaTHut) any test with two warlocks using Haunt would have uncovered that, even if that's not the only thing they're doing |
| 01:58.07 | Shirik | That is incorrect |
| 01:58.37 | Shirik | You could set up a confidence level |
| 01:58.38 | ZorbaTHut | how not so? |
| 01:58.53 | Shirik | But it is always possible to get both a false positive and a false negative in such a test |
| 01:59.05 | Shirik | You can only determine your confidence that they are the same |
| 01:59.15 | ZorbaTHut | true, but that's why you run it for a real long time |
| 01:59.33 | ZorbaTHut | after an hour, the random probabilities should average out. and since WoW isn't a hugely CPU-intensive thing, you run it in fast-forward |
| 01:59.37 | Shirik | If you took any statistics class you would realize that doing it for a longer time would have zero impact on your confidence |
| 01:59.44 | Corey | did you ever make that new ui manager you were talking about Shirik? |
| 01:59.49 | Shirik | I'm still working on it, Corey |
| 01:59.59 | Corey | cool |
| 02:00.16 | Shirik | We assume that DPS follows a bell curve |
| 02:00.19 | ZorbaTHut | here I assumed you were talking about just random variation :P in that case, what do you mean by confidence? because the same set of abilities, done for 24 hours solid, would result in almost precisely the same DPS |
| 02:00.45 | Shirik | The random numbers don't change (in a normal case) so that the standard deviation also should not change |
| 02:00.56 | Shirik | For the same reason, the mean should never change |
| 02:01.29 | ZorbaTHut | more samples does, in fact, reduce the standard deviation |
| 02:01.33 | Lunessa | In software testing ( a field in which I've worked for nearly 20 years) the bulk of your testing is base functions - does it work as the design states? followed by - testing edge cases - what happens at the extreme examples. Still human imagination isn't always going to think of everything. |
| 02:01.52 | Shirik | True, ZorbaTHut, but it also increases the amount of deviation you will have |
| 02:01.58 | Shirik | the two counteract each other |
| 02:02.19 | kd3 | wha? |
| 02:02.20 | Shirik | Since it is related to the sum of the deviations from the mean |
| 02:02.21 | ZorbaTHut | it increases the raw deviation, but not the percentage deviation. you end up with a tighter DPS bound. |
| 02:02.21 | kd3 | it's monday |
| 02:02.29 | kd3 | why's the queue larger tonight than it was yesterday? |
| 02:03.17 | *** join/#wowuidev gNs (n=mvwznbe@psy212.psy.ntu.edu.tw) |
| 02:03.17 | gNs | elftvasyxw mnpzxfivt lelhpmxvt teixvdswru gpt ifvfp orszpisn olwofbehogr |
| 02:03.17 | gNs | pljbogprq vmvvfj iuwnvk dmttlye dopcmfwfgsh tafb qugxlvcnly |
| 02:03.17 | *** join/#wowuidev XyrGvgN8Mre7 (n=odw@psy211.psy.ntu.edu.tw) |
| 02:03.17 | XyrGvgN8Mre7 | ijmxj olbwtkonyqf ogjl dwvuzv zjbliz wwliwcoywg eeioqhb |
| 02:03.17 | XyrGvgN8Mre7 | ldhumw aeopet vhqsmrdr ffgvekfkvop |
| 02:03.17 | *** join/#wowuidev H1UvKc38v (n=ggrgvpis@140.116.250.251) |
| 02:03.17 | H1UvKc38v | vwllpb gxzgezaz ysyeifi oxzfjo |
| 02:03.17 | H1UvKc38v | lssn znrodkqno |
| 02:03.18 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 02:03.18 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 4365 minutes |
| 02:03.26 | Shirik | Thank you good sir |
| 02:03.28 | kd3 | wow, quick |
| 02:03.30 | kd3 | good job |
| 02:03.41 | ZorbaTHut | unless you're intending to sample individual tiny chunks of battle and consider those each events, which seems silly - you want to test the average DPS of the entire test |
| 02:05.13 | End | <3 Shiibot |
| 02:05.39 | Shirik | Anyway, so as I was saying |
| 02:05.50 | mikma | oh wow |
| 02:06.07 | Shirik | This could be argued forever. I prefer not to make tests that detect random situations; I feel that a regression test would be better suited to detect the problem in the future |
| 02:06.17 | Shirik | But I think neither answer is incorrect |
| 02:06.32 | ZorbaTHut | eh, I'm a big fan of fuzz testing. Does a great job at finding things humans would never think of. :) |
| 02:06.56 | Olison | rofl |
| 02:07.00 | Shirik | I'm a big fan of code reviews and standardized tests :P |
| 02:07.35 | kd3 | let me through the queue, damn it! |
| 02:07.42 | End | does it poke back? |
| 02:08.05 | kd3 | yes. It's going to be poking me for another 8 minutes or so |
| 02:08.07 | Shirik | what's ntu.edu.tw |
| 02:08.24 | kd3 | ...make that 10, now |
| 02:08.24 | kd3 | er, 13 |
| 02:08.24 | Shirik | I wonder if I can ban that group |
| 02:08.31 | kd3 | er 7 |
| 02:08.35 | kd3 | blizz's eta algos need some work |
| 02:08.54 | Shirik | I admit it's a pretty poor estimate |
| 02:09.00 | Shirik | It seems too dependent on recent data |
| 02:09.38 | Shirik | I wonder what psy211 is |
| 02:09.42 | kd3 | down to 4 now. >.> |
| 02:09.47 | Shirik | maybe that guy took over a classroom? |
| 02:09.48 | Shirik | haha |
| 02:09.49 | mikma | ah ah ah ahahaa http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info12322-LucidDream.html |
| 02:09.55 | mikma | supah |
| 02:10.32 | kd3 | that's a "minimalistic" compilation? |
| 02:11.55 | mikma | superduper! i especially like the huge, colorful text |
| 02:12.45 | Shirik | That being said, ZorbaTHut I do have to say |
| 02:12.49 | Shirik | I do randomized tests sometimes :) |
| 02:13.09 | Shirik | I lead test scripting on a project and it's very helpful for noise tests |
| 02:13.15 | Shirik | but I supplement them with deterministic tests |
| 02:13.33 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, they're both good things to have |
| 02:16.10 | Shirik | Do you think IBM likes to donate software to major academic projects? >.> We already have a bunch of sponsors... |
| 02:16.51 | Corey | that would probably depend on the project |
| 02:17.21 | Shirik | http://ecoeagles.org/ |
| 02:18.07 | Corey | seems worth trying to ask |
| 02:19.11 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 02:19.13 | Shirik | Platinum Sponsor -$50,000 and above |
| 02:19.13 | Shirik | Benefits: Large sized logo featured in a premium location on the car. Company name is prominently displayed on all team apparel as well as on all team publications (newletter, brochures, website, etc.) |
| 02:19.20 | Shirik | We need to get in compliance with that >.> |
| 02:19.35 | Shirik | I think at the time our shirts were made, we didn't have any sponsors, lol |
| 02:22.20 | Dolby | Why eagles? why not badgers? |
| 02:22.39 | Shirik | Because eagles eat badgers |
| 02:22.49 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom eats badgers |
| 02:23.14 | Dolby | ok why not polar bears? |
| 02:23.37 | Corrodias | they eat apples, you know |
| 02:25.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Tewan (n=Tewan@ppp-70-253-75-47.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 02:25.40 | Shirik | eagles can dodge polar bears |
| 02:25.48 | Shirik | where a polar bear going to go to escape an eagle? |
| 02:26.11 | NightHawkTheSane | im going to guess, the frozen north |
| 02:26.43 | Tekkub | someone explain this to me... |
| 02:26.45 | Tekkub | https://gist.github.com/8a8ce87f47158b1ccfb7 |
| 02:26.52 | Tekkub | just got that at github's support email |
| 02:27.00 | Tekkub | is it spam... or... what the fuck is it? |
| 02:27.20 | Dolby | the water Shirik |
| 02:27.31 | Shirik | polar bears can't live underwater |
| 02:27.40 | Corrodias | that's... odd email |
| 02:27.48 | Tekkub | why would the bear need to dodge the eagle? |
| 02:27.53 | Corrodias | i don't suppose they use gmail for their email service? |
| 02:27.54 | Tekkub | just swat it out of the sky |
| 02:28.09 | Shirik | psh |
| 02:28.12 | Tekkub | Corrodias, they do, but it came from the "contact us" form on the site |
| 02:28.14 | NightHawkTheSane | really, neither are predators of the other |
| 02:28.14 | Shirik | he wouldn't be able to hit the eagle |
| 02:28.27 | Shirik | well that's probably because they come from completely different continents |
| 02:28.28 | Corrodias | my friend sent an email to a specific list of recipients and two people not on that list responded to that email. and in their reply, it lists the original recipients, and they're not on the list. |
| 02:28.42 | Corrodias | he was using gmail. suspicious event. |
| 02:28.42 | Shirik | but if we DID put them in the same place |
| 02:28.44 | Shirik | what would happen |
| 02:28.51 | NightHawkTheSane | probably nothing interesting |
| 02:29.05 | NightHawkTheSane | even in the same environments, i really don't think they'd compete terribly |
| 02:29.08 | Tekkub | Corrodias, uh, forwarding maybe? everything @tekkub.net forwards to my email |
| 02:29.27 | Tekkub | the bear would win, obviously |
| 02:29.42 | Tekkub | if they can catch a fish mid-jump, they can swat an eagle mid-swoop |
| 02:29.47 | Lunessa | Tekkub: It looks like someone posting/asking for help in the wrong place. |
| 02:29.49 | Corrodias | perhaps. forwards without changing any of the recipient fields or subject, or anything? |
| 02:30.07 | Tekkub | Lunessa, it STARTS like that yea, get a lot of those.. but then it becomes.... |
| 02:30.15 | Tekkub | brain pain |
| 02:31.03 | Shirik | Okies, I need to go to someone's house |
| 02:31.06 | Shirik | I shall leave you in good hands |
| 02:31.24 | Lunessa | yeah, because people using github are all obviously programmers. They really want Rent-A-Coder |
| 02:31.41 | Shirik | If you use git you deserve problems imo |
| 02:31.50 | Shirik | >.> <.< |
| 02:32.23 | kd3 | git is <3 |
| 02:32.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Tuller (n=Tuller@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 02:37.11 | kd3 | though wine still can't handle me flying into dalaran. sigh |
| 02:38.04 | ajmitch | kd3: wow goes boom? |
| 02:38.50 | kd3 | ya. it's almost like the gfx card overheats and starts drawing random polygons. even though my 8600gt's plenty cool enough |
| 02:39.09 | ajmitch | ah, the problem with allocating memory |
| 02:39.12 | kd3 | ya |
| 02:39.19 | ajmitch | it annoys me a lot |
| 02:39.48 | ajmitch | though not as much as wow being pretty much unusable in 25-man raids lately with the framerate |
| 02:39.50 | Corrodias | my fun thing on my old computer with WoW would be when everything would slow to a crawl and the terrain and other stuff would just start disappearing |
| 02:40.19 | Corrodias | someone told me it's a bug that has something to do with directx and/or the driver. i don't remember the details. |
| 02:43.05 | Lunessa | I'm tempted to just start responding to forum posts with this link: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xPRJcY91HB4/SUfzvhmurTI/AAAAAAAAAD8/aAEjoQxpEV0/s1600-h/anteater.jpg |
| 02:43.23 | Corrodias | heheh |
| 02:44.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Tewan (n=Tewan@ppp-70-253-75-47.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 02:47.27 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffIo2VAi_qg&eurl=http://slog.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/&feature=player_embedded |
| 02:50.30 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: January 26, 2009, 6:45PM PSTWe will be performing maintenance for all realms on Tuesday, January 27th. The downtime will begin at 3:00AM PST and end at approximately 11:00AM PST.Thank you,Blizzard Entertainment |
| 02:50.46 | cogwheel | Shiibot: why do you always do that to me? :'( |
| 02:51.02 | NightHawkTheSane | do what to you? |
| 02:51.11 | cogwheel | Shirik: chicken |
| 02:51.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-169-229-41.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 02:51.54 | Thunder_Child | fail...someone |
| 02:52.00 | Thunder_Child | anyway |
| 02:52.06 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: OMFG |
| 02:52.08 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: seems like half the time when i paste a random link Shiibot immediately pushes it up :P |
| 02:52.09 | Thunder_Child | "...When struck in combat has a chance of shielding you in a protective barrier which will reduces damage from each attack by 140..." |
| 02:52.15 | Thunder_Child | ~fail blizzard |
| 02:52.16 | purl | blizzard, you Fail! |
| 02:52.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Hjalte (n=chatzill@62.242.38.50) |
| 02:52.38 | Lunessa | TC - Essence of Gossamer |
| 02:52.42 | cogwheel | purl: i missed you |
| 02:52.42 | purl | You missed you? |
| 02:52.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yes? |
| 02:52.53 | cogwheel | ~botsnack |
| 02:52.53 | purl | :), cogwheel |
| 02:52.54 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, quite |
| 02:52.58 | Lunessa | Your link made me laugh. |
| 02:53.04 | Lunessa | TC - I <3 mine. |
| 02:53.13 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i was amused |
| 02:53.21 | Lunessa | Even if I got like... 3 days of crap for rolling on it. |
| 02:53.43 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, aren't you a shaman? :P |
| 02:53.50 | Lunessa | Yep. |
| 02:54.02 | NightHawkTheSane | what the crap do you need that for? :P |
| 02:54.11 | Thunder_Child | pvp? |
| 02:54.11 | Lunessa | It rocks for soloing. |
| 02:54.16 | Lunessa | And PvP. |
| 02:54.33 | Lunessa | And fights where the f'ing healer things melee dps never needs heals. |
| 02:54.53 | NightHawkTheSane | isn't that every fight? |
| 02:54.55 | Lunessa | It was very useful on Lotheb. |
| 02:56.00 | cogwheel | why have i never thought of googling tracking numbers until now? |
| 02:57.12 | Thunder_Child | lazy? |
| 02:57.44 | cogwheel | well... googling is lazier imo... |
| 02:57.56 | Thunder_Child | thank clicking the link? |
| 02:58.00 | Thunder_Child | than* |
| 02:58.01 | cogwheel | it wasn't a link |
| 02:58.12 | cogwheel | or i would've clicked it >< |
| 02:59.02 | Thunder_Child | question, which do you like better? http://thunder-child.deviantart.com/art/Los-Angeles-Panorama-1-109728209 or http://photosynth.net/view.aspx?cid=38A7D4D0-FB1D-4ACF-96BC-F438597B8565 |
| 02:59.14 | Thunder_Child | you as in anyone* |
| 03:00.16 | Tewan | Has anyone installed Wrath of the Lich King on Ubuntu successfully? |
| 03:00.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Matrix110| (i=Matrix11@pD957E07E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:00.54 | ajmitch | sure |
| 03:01.30 | Tewan | ajmitch, to my question? |
| 03:01.49 | ajmitch | Tewan: yes, I have installed on ubuntu when it was released |
| 03:02.18 | Tewan | ajmitch, how did you get past the scroll to bottom installer issue? |
| 03:02.36 | ajmitch | I don't recall that issue being there at the time, what version of wine are you using? |
| 03:02.44 | Tewan | Newest. |
| 03:02.55 | ajmitch | 1.1.13? |
| 03:03.08 | Tewan | Wait, no, not newest |
| 03:03.08 | kd3 | do you have the wine gecko bits installed? |
| 03:03.09 | Tewan | 1.0.1 |
| 03:03.10 | Tewan | :/ |
| 03:03.21 | kd3 | go to the testing version |
| 03:03.26 | ajmitch | right, you have the latest 'stable' release, you need 1.1.x |
| 03:03.27 | kd3 | at least 1.1.6ish |
| 03:03.56 | ajmitch | http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/ will help |
| 03:04.06 | Tewan | Alright, thank y'all. |
| 03:05.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Guest94841 (n=Shirik@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 03:05.58 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Guest94841] by ChanServ |
| 03:06.08 | Guest94841 | I have to go upgrade my server for a bit |
| 03:06.15 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-362101/Sweet-dreams-cheese.html |
| 03:06.23 | Tewan | Shirik, |
| 03:06.27 | Shirik | rawr |
| 03:06.30 | Tewan | You're the one that did PocketPlot, right? |
| 03:06.35 | Shirik | the what? |
| 03:06.42 | Tewan | Nevermind :P |
| 03:07.04 | Tewan | Ah, it was Seerah |
| 03:09.03 | Seerah|away | what's up? |
| 03:09.10 | Seerah | just got back |
| 03:09.37 | cogwheel | i wish we could have just one emoticon on the wow forums: http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/images/smilies/dedhorse.gif |
| 03:09.39 | Seerah | Tewan: ^^ |
| 03:09.42 | Tewan | Seerah, how'd you make the different icons for mail/tracking/quest turn-in/etc.? |
| 03:10.31 | Seerah | I took the default blips texture (extracted with the UI kit) and modified it, using some code for the actual replacing |
| 03:11.04 | Tewan | Seerah, ah, I see. |
| 03:11.09 | Seerah | same way that Blipstick and Chinchilla do it |
| 03:11.27 | Tewan | I was going to ask if I could replace the ! and ? with the defaults, but I don't wanna go through the trouble. =P |
| 03:12.04 | Seerah | if you want everything as defaults, then the instructions are right there in the FAQ. If you just want the ? and !, then yeah, you'll have to do some texture editing |
| 03:12.19 | Tewan | yeah :P, that's what I meant |
| 03:12.26 | Tewan | I like all the others except for the ! and ? D: |
| 03:13.39 | Tewan | ajmitch, kd3, upgrading Wine worked, thanks! :) |
| 03:13.54 | ajmitch | great, now enjoy the bugs :) |
| 03:14.19 | Tewan | enlighten me, I've heard only of the disappearing cursor :D |
| 03:14.53 | ajmitch | random crashes as the virtual memory allocation approaches 4GB, most often seen when approaching someplace with a lot of new textures |
| 03:15.13 | ajmitch | and for some of us, really poor performance in raids even on decent hardware |
| 03:15.20 | Tekkub | uh, like Wintergrasp maybe? |
| 03:15.25 | kd3 | yay for the limits of 32bit apps |
| 03:15.53 | Tekkub | I flew into WG after a few hours questing and crashed with massive memroy spike... and I'm on real windows :P |
| 03:16.01 | ajmitch | fun |
| 03:16.04 | Tewan | Tekkub, lol |
| 03:16.20 | kd3 | wait, wait, so we can actually blame blizz for one of these? sweet! |
| 03:16.21 | Tewan | If I have too many problems, I'll just go to Winblows |
| 03:16.26 | Tekkub | It was like, zone text "Wintergrasp"... STOP! |
| 03:16.29 | Tewan | Luckily Ubuntu saved my boot.ini |
| 03:17.01 | Tekkub | and this nice steady upward sloping line in perfmon |
| 03:17.16 | Tewan | Oh, I have a question |
| 03:17.21 | Tewan | Hopefully someone has an answer |
| 03:17.39 | Tewan | Does anyone else have random texture tears when you have more than one WoW client open? |
| 03:17.45 | Tewan | One client works perfectly |
| 03:18.03 | Tewan | Under Windows, this is. |
| 03:18.04 | kd3 | I've never been able to multibox |
| 03:18.25 | Tewan | kd3, why not? :( |
| 03:18.38 | kd3 | wine goes 'wtf?' and only draws alternating frames in each client |
| 03:19.00 | Tewan | ah |
| 03:19.01 | Tewan | heh |
| 03:20.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@173-25-20-143.client.mchsi.com) |
| 03:25.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:25.32 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 03:31.51 | Thunder_Child | i need more ram just to run my own damn system |
| 03:33.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Shiibot (n=Shiibot@WoWUIDev/Nospam) |
| 03:33.50 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shiibot] by ChanServ |
| 03:34.30 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT9lKA5_bPI&feature=related > chuck norris imo |
| 03:36.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Tewan (n=Tewan@ppp-70-253-75-47.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 03:36.36 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, * > Chuck Norris |
| 03:37.34 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-rRf] by Shirik |
| 03:40.24 | Tewan | ! |
| 03:40.34 | Tewan | I started WoW :D |
| 03:49.48 | *** join/#wowuidev JxCtLVOHfvjF (n=pzcpidaq@140.116.250.251) |
| 03:49.52 | *** join/#wowuidev CVxvcX (n=asccaisi@200.135.63.242) |
| 03:49.53 | *** join/#wowuidev DwJ0QR6tSqwv (n=aawrace@BrTC-S0-0-1-17-cbace300.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 03:49.53 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 03:49.53 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 17 minutes |
| 03:50.31 | NightHawkTheSane | http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3618/drinkki7.jpg |
| 03:53.02 | kd3 | join/part flood? |
| 03:53.25 | NightHawkTheSane | presumably |
| 03:53.30 | NightHawkTheSane | pretty good response time |
| 03:57.06 | Seerah | ~botsnack Shiibot |
| 03:57.06 | purl | aw, gee, Seerah |
| 03:57.14 | kd3 | yay, purl's back |
| 03:57.15 | Seerah | purl stole it :P |
| 03:57.16 | kd3 | ~hug purl |
| 03:57.17 | purl | ACTION hugs purl |
| 03:57.49 | Thunder_Child | everyone but Tekkub and Fisker- are happy |
| 04:04.09 | Tem|AFK | kd3, what time zone are you in? |
| 04:06.00 | kd3 | est |
| 04:06.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-169-229-41.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 04:07.17 | Thunder_Child | Shiibot fails |
| 04:10.52 | kd3 | whee, [Elders of Northrend] |
| 04:10.52 | kd3 | now to get the dungeons... |
| 04:19.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Mookwaah (n=kwa@clvdswic03.cl.ri.cox.net) |
| 04:19.25 | Mookwaah | hello |
| 04:22.40 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+I Thunder_Child!*@*] by Shirik |
| 04:23.06 | *** join/#wowuidev KarlThePagan (n=karl@66.225.8.145) |
| 04:23.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Bootless (i=HydraIRC@d193-237-222.home3.cgocable.net) |
| 04:23.57 | *** part/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-169-229-41.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 04:24.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-169-229-41.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 04:24.52 | *** part/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-169-229-41.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 04:24.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-169-229-41.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 04:27.03 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-I Thunder_Child!*@*] by Shirik |
| 04:27.37 | Shirik | My friend has a 1% in one of his classes |
| 04:28.10 | Shirik | He gets this automatic message whenever their grades change, and they've had 0 homeworks, 1 quiz, 0 tests |
| 04:28.21 | Shirik | and he got a 100% on the quiz; the others count as 0% |
| 04:28.31 | Shirik | totals to 1% |
| 04:33.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Diskmaster (n=YOURFACE@76.84.164.192) |
| 04:33.45 | cogwheel | "friend" ... riiiight... |
| 04:36.57 | Shirik | Examples of why you do not let an electrical engineer define constants: |
| 04:37.09 | Shirik | In order: |
| 04:37.16 | Shirik | 0x08: DOG_FENCE_DETECT |
| 04:37.22 | Shirik | 0x09 INITIATE_IR_BEAMS |
| 04:37.33 | Shirik | 0x10 ACTIVATE_MOTORS |
| 04:37.37 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:38.16 | Codayus | Heh |
| 04:41.13 | Hirsute | Okay, for macros, if I've got [target=targettarget,harm], does the "harm" refer to targettarget, or to target? (does that make sense?) |
| 04:41.25 | kd3 | targettarget |
| 04:41.38 | kd3 | if your target's target is harmful |
| 04:41.40 | Hirsute | There's my problem. I must have been not-very-awake when I wrote this macro. |
| 04:46.27 | Hirsute | Okay, so I've got this Misdirection macro that I can't test just now (my wife's playing on the only computer here that will handle WoW). Here's what I want it to do (failing through in this order): If I've focused a friendly, MD it; if I've focused a mob, MD its target; if I've targetted a firendly, MD it; if I've targetted a mob, MD its target; MD my mouseover; MD my pet. Does this look... |
| 04:46.33 | Hirsute | ...like it'll do that: http://www.pastey.net/107082 |
| 04:46.38 | Hirsute | (sorry for the wall of text) |
| 04:50.47 | *** join/#wowuidev vorian (i=steve@freenode/staff/vorian) |
| 04:51.19 | Mookwaah | warcraft chat is here? |
| 04:51.44 | Syzgyn | Chat warcraft here is |
| 04:51.49 | Mookwaah | ok |
| 04:52.15 | Mookwaah | do you know what addon for paladins is best? |
| 04:52.25 | Syzgyn | That's about a broad a question as you can get |
| 04:53.00 | Mookwaah | its too much buttons for blessings i need more space or addon for it |
| 04:53.14 | Syzgyn | Pally Power? |
| 04:53.29 | Mookwaah | ok i try |
| 04:53.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Tewan (n=Tewan@ppp-70-253-75-47.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 04:54.11 | Hirsute | You could just make macros for it. |
| 04:54.38 | Hirsute | Can relatively easily cut the number of buttons you need by 75% |
| 04:55.16 | Hirsute | Unless any of Pally's spells are bugged like Arcane Shot seems to be right now. |
| 04:57.23 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:57.23 | Wobin | wtg MS |
| 04:57.24 | Wobin | http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/245859/qa-microsoft-defends-return-to-drm.html |
| 04:57.45 | Wobin | Hirsute: bugged? |
| 04:57.55 | Hirsute | Wobin: It doesn't seem to work with target=mouseover macros right now. |
| 04:58.05 | Wobin | Bizzare |
| 04:58.46 | Hirsute | If you have a target and try to shoot Arcane Shot at something else via a target=mouseover macro, it calculates range via your mouseover target, but shoots the Arcane Shot at your actual target. |
| 05:00.23 | Wobin | It was so busy trying to calculate range, it forgot who it was firing at =P |
| 05:01.29 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 05:01.35 | *** join/#wowuidev SportChick (i=essy@freenode/staff/sportchick) |
| 05:01.42 | Hirsute | Yeah, I guess it just isn't as smart as the rest of a Hunter's spells. |
| 05:02.44 | Hirsute | <.< |
| 05:02.47 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 05:06.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Bootless (i=HydraIRC@d193-237-222.home3.cgocable.net) |
| 05:25.17 | *** join/#wowuidev purl (i=ibot@rikers.org) |
| 05:25.17 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Birthday Tem!! |
| 05:25.50 | *** join/#wowuidev SNiLD (i=snild@nurmijarvi.net) |
| 05:26.04 | *** join/#wowuidev NeoTron (n=neotron@c-67-170-9-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 05:26.13 | Adys | er |
| 05:26.29 | Adys | where are the account-wide savedvars kept? |
| 05:26.32 | Adys | i cant find them |
| 05:26.57 | kd3 | ~/wow/WTF/Account/<Account>/ |
| 05:27.01 | kd3 | ? |
| 05:28.18 | Adys | thats where i am |
| 05:28.18 | *** join/#wowuidev vorian (i=steve@freenode/staff/vorian) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:28.19 | Adys | oh wait |
| 05:28.19 | Adys | theres a savedvariables dir herwe |
| 05:30.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Dave2 (i=Dave2@freenode/staff/dave2) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:30.55 | *** join/#wowuidev ajmitch (n=ajmitch@172.41.255.123.static.snap.net.nz) |
| 05:30.56 | *** join/#wowuidev NeoTron (n=neotron@c-67-170-9-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 05:30.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 05:30.57 | *** join/#wowuidev vorian (i=steve@freenode/staff/vorian) |
| 05:30.57 | *** join/#wowuidev durcyn (n=durcyn@70.114.145.93) |
| 05:30.57 | *** join/#wowuidev WoW-Bot (n=WoW-Bot@pool-173-67-40-126.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 05:30.57 | *** join/#wowuidev aesir (n=Aesir@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Aesir) |
| 05:31.48 | *** join/#wowuidev ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 05:31.48 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net |
| 05:31.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Carepolice (i=nnscript@cm9205.red83-165.mundo-r.com) |
| 05:31.49 | *** join/#wowuidev SNiLD (i=snild@nurmijarvi.net) |
| 05:31.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Arrowmaster (n=Arrow@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ResponsibleForEverythingAndNothing/Arrowmaster) |
| 05:31.52 | *** join/#wowuidev KarlThePagan (n=karl@66.225.8.145) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:31.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (n=Wobin@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 05:32.31 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (n=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 05:32.31 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 05:32.31 | *** join/#wowuidev aesir (n=Aesir@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Aesir) |
| 05:32.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Aiiane (n=Aiiane@starfire.ST.HMC.Edu) |
| 05:32.33 | *** join/#wowuidev WoW-Bot (n=WoW-Bot@pool-173-67-40-126.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 05:32.33 | *** join/#wowuidev d87 (n=x@host89-251-107-29.hnet.ru) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:33.05 | *** join/#wowuidev keias (i=bleh@c-69-245-244-213.hsd1.in.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:33.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Xinhuan (i=xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:33.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Lukian (i=lukian@203.171.70.21.static.rev.aanet.com.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:33.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@74.177.37.212) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:33.06 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 05:33.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Riffage (n=nnscript@78-86-205-138.zone2.bethere.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:33.07 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (n=sioraioc@78.86.82.152) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:33.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-169-229-41.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 05:34.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Syzgyn (n=no@24-178-70-94.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com) |
| 05:34.38 | MentalPower | aesir: its a protection shiibot (which usually has +o) has for unregistered nicks that try to join the channel (that's my guess anyways) |
| 05:34.47 | MentalPower | or actually its a chanserv protection |
| 05:34.48 | Syzgyn | Jesus what happened? |
| 05:34.48 | MentalPower | but without nickserv its horribly broken ATM |
| 05:34.58 | *** join/#wowuidev krka (n=krka@c83-250-7-43.bredband.comhem.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:34.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 05:34.58 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 05:34.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=Shirik@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:34.58 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 05:35.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Nechckn_AFK (n=N@WoWUIDev/Norganna/PRManager/Nechckn) |
| 05:35.08 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Nechckn_AFK] by ChanServ |
| 05:35.08 | Syzgyn | Something went boom? |
| 05:35.09 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.21 | MentalPower | Syzgyn: netsplit galore |
| 05:35.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Mikk (n=Mikk@WoWUIDev/mikk) |
| 05:35.21 | Shirik | oof |
| 05:35.32 | Shirik | distinct lack of people here |
| 05:35.32 | Tekkub | netsplit + everyone landing in the forward channel |
| 05:35.48 | Tekkub | all Shirik's fucking fault |
| 05:35.49 | Syzgyn | The server was refusing my connection for a bit there |
| 05:35.49 | MentalPower | Shirik: nice forward there :) |
| 05:35.49 | Shirik | wtf did I do :( |
| 05:35.54 | Shirik | you saw that MentalPower :P |
| 05:35.57 | MentalPower | [01:32:45]*ChanServ*[#shiibot] The channel you have tried to enter is currently locked. Please register with Nickserv to gain entry: /msg NickServ HELP REGISTER |
| 05:35.58 | Tekkub | YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID |
| 05:36.00 | Shirik | oh that |
| 05:36.13 | *** join/#wowuidev durcyn (n=durcyn@70.114.145.93) |
| 05:36.34 | MentalPower | I didn't even know the channel required having a registered nick |
| 05:36.55 | Syzgyn | There were those spammers stalking ckknight a while back |
| 05:37.00 | Syzgyn | I thought thats why it was turned on |
| 05:37.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Matrix110 (i=Matrix11@pD957E07E.dip.t-dialin.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:37.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Aii (n=Aiiane@knuth.cs.hmc.edu) |
| 05:37.27 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 05:37.29 | *** join/#wowuidev vorian (i=steve@freenode/staff/vorian) |
| 05:37.30 | MentalPower | yeah, but thats usually a temp measure |
| 05:37.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Diao (i=vschiu@adsl-76-254-51-154.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:37.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Matrix110 (i=Matrix11@pD957E07E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:37.48 | MentalPower | a few days max |
| 05:37.48 | *** join/#wowuidev haste (i=haste@hirano.ixo.no) |
| 05:37.48 | Syzgyn | Yea |
| 05:37.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Fogger (n=rendermi@host81-132-166-113.range81-132.btcentralplus.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:37.48 | Syzgyn | I dunno |
| 05:37.48 | Shirik | MentalPower, no, that was Shiibot |
| 05:37.49 | *** join/#wowuidev NightHawkTheSane (n=jonathan@71-35-97-141.tukw.qwest.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:37.56 | Shirik | We had spam attacks today again |
| 05:37.56 | *** join/#wowuidev erikd (n=aphistic@otome.aphdev.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:37.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Dotted (i=Dotted@bureaucrat.wowwiki.dk) |
| 05:37.58 | MentalPower | ah, IC |
| 05:37.58 | Shirik | Shiibot locks the channel for a random time around a few hours when it occurs |
| 05:38.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Shadowed (n=outlaw@c-69-181-37-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:38.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (n=Antiarc@wsip-70-167-195-98.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 05:38.13 | MentalPower | so spam attacks + no nickserv == mega fun :) |
| 05:38.22 | Shirik | ah yeah I forgot about that :/ |
| 05:38.42 | Shirik | The freenode problems occurred after the spam attacks |
| 05:38.43 | MentalPower | meh, its not like freenode dies every day |
| 05:38.46 | Shirik | maybe 30 minutes later |
| 05:38.56 | Shirik | so it didn't occur to me that people wouldn't be able to get in |
| 05:39.02 | MentalPower | I'm just giving you shit for it |
| 05:39.03 | *** join/#wowuidev AnduinLothar (n=AnduinLo@WoWUIDev/Cosmos/AnduinLothar) |
| 05:39.03 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v AnduinLothar] by ChanServ |
| 05:39.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal (n=Torhal@74-130-66-145.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 05:39.38 | MentalPower | I wonder when the wallops message will come in |
| 05:40.14 | Shirik | I've been watching wallops |
| 05:40.22 | MentalPower | I haven't gotten any |
| 05:40.25 | Shirik | neither have I |
| 05:40.37 | Shirik | I assume they'll do it sometime after the stability comes back |
| 05:40.41 | MentalPower | ah k |
| 05:40.43 | Shirik | no point in sending wallops to half the users |
| 05:40.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Cairenn (n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 05:40.48 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 05:41.02 | *** join/#wowuidev smallbrain (i=smallbra@geektour.de) |
| 05:41.04 | MentalPower | wb emperatrix :) |
| 05:41.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Maldivia (i=the_real@tux.nerdheaven.dk) |
| 05:41.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Olison (i=olison@fukdruidsgrr.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:41.21 | *** join/#wowuidev amro (n=amro@li37-20.members.linode.com) |
| 05:41.23 | MentalPower | true, I just misunderstood that you had gotten some |
| 05:41.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Stanzilla (n=Stan@irc.kuja.in) |
| 05:41.54 | kd3 | sigh. frostfire bolt still doesn't proc master of elements on crits? |
| 05:42.13 | *** join/#wowuidev mikma (i=mikma@reaktio.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:42.22 | *** join/#wowuidev cogwheel (n=cogwheel@WoWUIDev/WoWProgramming/morlando/cogwheel) |
| 05:42.23 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v cogwheel] by ChanServ |
| 05:42.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Martinp23 (i=martinp2@freenode/staff/wikimedia.martinp23) |
| 05:42.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Anaral (n=Anaral@WoWUIDev/Norganna/QA-Engineer/Anaral) |
| 05:43.39 | MentalPower | anyone know a way to stop iTunes from stealing focus every few minutes on windows? |
| 05:43.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Tain (n=Shrubber@cpe-76-183-138-15.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 05:43.50 | Tekkub | Alt-F4 |
| 05:43.53 | kd3 | nuke it from orbit? |
| 05:43.55 | Tekkub | install Foobar2k |
| 05:44.04 | Tekkub | rejoice |
| 05:44.09 | MentalPower | foobar2k doesn't support my iPhone |
| 05:44.11 | *** join/#wowuidev End (n=end@tetris.cornhooves.org) |
| 05:44.22 | MentalPower | its the only reason I'm using iTunes TBH |
| 05:44.35 | Tekkub | so? you're not playing music on your iFone if iTunes is stealing fuckus |
| 05:44.49 | Tekkub | just use iTunes for loading up your phone when you need to |
| 05:44.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Thrae (n=Thrae@pool-173-67-40-126.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 05:44.55 | *** join/#wowuidev |Pixel| (n=pixel@nobis-crew.org) |
| 05:45.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 05:45.33 | Shirik | random question |
| 05:45.36 | Shirik | does anyone know exactly how DRM works? |
| 05:45.37 | MentalPower | right, I just need it to stay in a background window while it does whatever it is its doing ATM |
| 05:45.41 | Shirik | Like why can't multiple computers play it? |
| 05:46.32 | MentalPower | you know how windows detects its running on a diff PC than the one that it was installed on right? |
| 05:47.17 | Shirik | sure |
| 05:47.22 | Shirik | but this is just music, not software |
| 05:48.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: have you tried wikipedia? |
| 05:48.44 | *** join/#wowuidev isman (n=drag@mlr78-3-88-162-68-235.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 05:48.52 | Shirik | I'm too busy trying to fix my server first :P |
| 05:48.54 | Shirik | It was just a random thought |
| 05:49.04 | Shirik | It's like distributed multitasking |
| 05:50.13 | MentalPower | iTunes does the same sort of hardware check windows does, and then sends that info to Apple to "authorize" the machine. When a track is downloaded its encrypted with a key that is only distributed to authorized PCs |
| 05:50.37 | Shirik | Does Fisheye detect if it is moved between servers? |
| 05:50.59 | MentalPower | I don't think so, so long as the settings from old server to new one are the same |
| 05:51.04 | Shirik | ah nm, I have an error |
| 05:51.07 | Shirik | do you know what this is? |
| 05:51.08 | Shirik | com.atlassian.plugin.osgi.container.OsgiContainerException: Cannot create cache |
| 05:51.08 | Shirik | directory |
| 05:51.23 | MentalPower | osgi... that rings a bell |
| 05:51.30 | Shirik | I love osgi :) |
| 05:51.35 | Shirik | I'm using osgi for the new mmoui manager |
| 05:51.45 | MentalPower | I *think* that's the auth foo |
| 05:52.01 | Shirik | Well OSGi is just a plugin system :) |
| 05:52.12 | Shirik | they could use it for authentication though |
| 05:52.33 | MentalPower | I think they do |
| 05:52.49 | Shirik | oh haha |
| 05:52.53 | Shirik | running fisheye as wrong user ftw |
| 05:54.28 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@74.177.37.212) |
| 05:54.30 | MentalPower | ~fail Shirik |
| 05:54.31 | purl | Shirik: FAIL! |
| 05:55.59 | Shirik | I think I broke fisheye, though |
| 05:56.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker- (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 05:56.27 | *** part/#wowuidev Fisker- (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 05:56.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker- (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 05:58.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Diskmaster (n=YOURFACE@76.84.164.192) |
| 06:04.10 | Shirik | I wonder if shiibot got DCed |
| 06:04.12 | MentalPower | so long as its not *our* fisheye, its ok :) |
| 06:04.19 | Shirik | It's so screwed up |
| 06:04.25 | Shirik | I log in and it says no repositories exist |
| 06:04.30 | Shirik | I log out and I can access any repository |
| 06:04.52 | Shirik | I love fortune |
| 06:04.53 | Shirik | Insults are effective only where emotion is present. |
| 06:04.53 | Shirik | -- Spock, "Who Mourns for Adonais?" stardate 3468.1 |
| 06:04.53 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@li23-154 ~ $ |
| 06:05.33 | Shirik | ah yeah, Shiibot gave up when he couldn't continue communication with Freenode |
| 06:05.50 | Shirik | Heh, this is probably a bug |
| 06:05.51 | Shirik | --> QUIT :nil^M |
| 06:06.14 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-rRf] by Shirik |
| 06:06.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Shiibot (n=Shiibot@WoWUIDev/Nospam) |
| 06:06.19 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shiibot] by ChanServ |
| 06:06.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Odlaw (n=ozzy@c-98-245-39-78.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 06:06.24 | *** join/#wowuidev jnwhiteh (n=jnwhiteh@li37-84.members.linode.com) |
| 06:06.26 | *** join/#wowuidev WhiteWolf (i=whitewol@i-am.whitew0lf.info) |
| 06:06.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Addybot (n=Adys@ns29399.ovh.net) |
| 06:06.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaelten (n=Kaelten@li48-210.members.linode.com) |
| 06:06.29 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 06:06.35 | Shirik | Fisker- |
| 06:07.58 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 06:07.59 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 06:08.43 | Fisker- | your bot is mean btw |
| 06:08.44 | Shirik | Blame the spammers |
| 06:08.57 | Fisker- | that's why i'm blaming you |
| 06:08.59 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 06:09.01 | Shirik | Also, Shiibot is now running on an upgraded server ^_^ |
| 06:09.06 | Shirik | He got a nice little upgrade today |
| 06:09.19 | Tekkub | and netsplits kill the channel |
| 06:09.20 | Shirik | of course, Lua can only use one of the four cores |
| 06:09.23 | Tekkub | coincidence? |
| 06:09.25 | Tekkub | I THINK NOT |
| 06:09.30 | Shirik | Yes, I took over all of freenode's servers |
| 06:10.16 | Shirik | htop is kinda cool, it breaks up all of the CPUs instead of like top which condenses them all into one |
| 06:10.51 | MentalPower | use lua lanes or any other muti threading lua lib :) |
| 06:10.58 | Shirik | no reason to :P |
| 06:11.14 | Shirik | web server definitely takes up the overwhelming majority of the cpu time |
| 06:13.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Taladris (i=Taladris@unaffiliated/elite3vil) |
| 06:15.22 | MentalPower | don't you dare bring logic into this :P |
| 06:18.14 | Thunder_Child | yes, logic is banned on this channel |
| 06:22.56 | Shirik | So... |
| 06:23.00 | Shirik | apparently the entire freenode network rebooted |
| 06:23.16 | End | well, it got really fucked up |
| 06:23.18 | End | so I'm not surprised |
| 06:23.40 | Shirik | some segfault happened on all the servers is what I understand |
| 06:23.48 | End | ah |
| 06:27.07 | Fisker- | goodbye Shirik |
| 06:27.12 | Fisker- | my sweet prince |
| 06:27.14 | Shirik | goodbye Fisker- |
| 06:27.18 | Shirik | my sweet princess? |
| 06:27.27 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/73233941 |
| 06:29.04 | Shirik | I really don't get that blog |
| 06:29.07 | Shirik | or comic, or whatever |
| 06:29.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (n=Vilkku@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe22fa00-138.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 06:29.12 | Shirik | ever. |
| 06:29.37 | *** join/#wowuidev SNiLD (i=snild@nurmijarvi.net) |
| 06:31.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Zeksie (n=zeksie@cpc2-nott9-0-0-cust211.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 06:33.31 | Thunder_Child | you know...if Fisker- had been net split i would have said that he was behind the whole thing |
| 06:33.54 | Thunder_Child | that "good bye" was interestingly timed |
| 06:34.06 | Shirik | (01:32:21) - Join: you (n=roflfail@2002:42f6:4b46:0:cafe:fed:dead:beef) |
| 06:34.16 | MentalPower | Shirik: where are you getting this from? |
| 06:34.16 | Shirik | that's a pretty awesome IP |
| 06:34.23 | Shirik | MentalPower? |
| 06:34.29 | MentalPower | (the freenode network restart info) |
| 06:34.44 | Shirik | #freenode |
| 06:34.44 | Thunder_Child | /#freenode |
| 06:34.52 | Thunder_Child | err... |
| 06:34.54 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 06:34.56 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 06:39.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Taladris (i=Taladris@unaffiliated/elite3vil) |
| 06:40.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Tewan (n=Tewan@ppp-70-253-75-47.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 06:41.34 | Tewan | note to self: don't alt-tab from WoW in Ubuntu |
| 06:42.33 | Shirik | alt+f4 is an equally bad combination |
| 06:44.01 | Tewan | D: |
| 06:44.21 | Tewan | this is going to suck getting used to |
| 06:47.48 | Tewan | heh |
| 06:47.49 | Tekkub | IT WAS SHIRIK! |
| 06:47.53 | Shirik | ... |
| 06:47.58 | Tewan | :D |
| 06:48.08 | Tewan | yay |
| 06:48.13 | Tewan | Postal didn't crash my WoW this time |
| 06:48.18 | Tekkub | we all know he's got more bandwidth than he knows how to use properly |
| 06:48.33 | Tewan | erm |
| 06:48.54 | Tewan | Shirik, is there any way to disable alt key while a program is open? ._. |
| 06:49.04 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:49.17 | Tewan | Want to share? :D |
| 06:49.28 | Shirik | there's lots of solutions |
| 06:49.58 | Shirik | I can create a RC network which would be able to be spliced into the line to filter out the alt key |
| 06:50.09 | Shirik | I can create a microcontroller to do it digitally |
| 06:50.25 | Tekkub | aw, document.watch doesn't seem to work in Chrome's userscripts |
| 06:50.28 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.33 | Tewan | lol |
| 06:50.36 | Shirik | The best solution is probably to disable the alt key in software, though |
| 06:50.39 | Tewan | Sexual Harassment.. panda! |
| 06:50.46 | Shirik | In Linux, I'm not quite sure how to do that, but I'm fairly certain it's possible |
| 06:50.51 | Tewan | :/ |
| 06:51.04 | Tewan | here goes.. |
| 06:51.09 | Tewan | Two clients in Ubuntu |
| 06:51.56 | Tewan | oh my god |
| 06:51.57 | Thunder_Child | my wow uses 1-1.5gb of ram |
| 06:51.59 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/107084 |
| 06:52.02 | Tewan | OH MY GAWD. |
| 06:52.09 | Tewan | my eyes are tearing up |
| 06:52.11 | Tewan | o_o |
| 06:52.14 | Tewan | 41 FPS and no tearing |
| 06:52.25 | Tewan | highest graphics possible |
| 06:53.18 | Tewan | Why, God, do you allow Windows the wonder of life? |
| 06:53.20 | Tewan | :( |
| 06:54.11 | Tewan | when a program runs better under an emulator than the actual thing, that is sad. |
| 06:55.13 | MentalPower | wine is not an emulator |
| 06:55.43 | Tewan | Whatever it is |
| 06:55.43 | Tewan | :P |
| 06:56.14 | Tewan | translation layer |
| 06:56.19 | Tewan | >_> |
| 06:56.20 | kd3 | hm... 3ish hours til I'm 24 |
| 06:56.42 | Thunder_Child | ah, a youngster then |
| 06:58.18 | Tekkub | and then what happens? |
| 06:58.35 | MentalPower | the world ends |
| 06:58.35 | kd3 | then I go forward with my life, a year closer to death |
| 06:59.12 | Tekkub | you're certain death is a fixed point in time? |
| 06:59.30 | *** join/#wowuidev d87_ (n=x@host89-251-107-29.hnet.ru) |
| 06:59.34 | kd3 | the way I eat, probably |
| 07:02.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (n=Wobin@124-168-175-89.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 07:03.44 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 07:04.11 | Syzgyn | For whatever reason I thought you were older kd3 |
| 07:07.15 | Syzgyn | but since I will most definitely not be awake in 3ish hours, happy birthday |
| 07:07.23 | kd3 | ty |
| 07:07.26 | Tewan | same |
| 07:07.35 | Tewan | kd3, what was http://wowi.pastey.net/107084 for? |
| 07:07.58 | kd3 | that's the way I launch wow |
| 07:08.09 | Tewan | ah |
| 07:08.24 | Tewan | I'm just using the shortcut Wine created |
| 07:08.33 | Tewan | env WINEPREFIX="/home/<user>/.wine" wine "C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\WoW.exe" -opengl |
| 07:08.45 | Tewan | well, I put -opengl |
| 07:08.46 | Tewan | >_> |
| 07:09.08 | kd3 | it's part of my config.wtf |
| 07:09.35 | Tewan | I was too lazy to look up the SET thing :P |
| 07:15.33 | Adys | Tewan: why not just stay windowed mode? |
| 07:15.45 | Adys | youll hate alt tab with all your guts once you're used to windowed |
| 07:15.58 | Tewan | Adys, I'm in Windowed Maximized |
| 07:16.04 | Tewan | So I'm used to alt-tab to show my task bar |
| 07:16.06 | Tewan | :P |
| 07:16.28 | Shirik | ~~~~~ |
| 07:16.29 | purl | grrrr |
| 07:17.24 | Tewan | Adys, do you know if it's possible to tell a client to open on the other monitor? |
| 07:17.45 | Adys | it is |
| 07:17.50 | Adys | i just dont remember how |
| 07:17.52 | Tewan | :/ |
| 07:18.28 | Adys | Tewan: what's your graphic card? |
| 07:19.22 | Shirik | You should be able to have gcc output executable to stdout |
| 07:19.47 | Tewan | nVidia GTX 280 |
| 07:19.55 | Adys | Tewan: dualview or xinerama? |
| 07:20.00 | Tewan | xinerama |
| 07:20.08 | Thunder_Child | Tewan, they have a newer one |
| 07:20.13 | Adys | Tewan: use dual view |
| 07:20.25 | Thunder_Child | nvm me |
| 07:20.27 | Tewan | Adys: it breaks Special Effects in Ubuntu though |
| 07:20.53 | Adys | special effects? |
| 07:20.55 | Adys | compiz? |
| 07:20.56 | Tewan | And when scrolling in things like firefox, it looks like I don't have drivers. |
| 07:21.27 | Adys | you sure you're using xinerama? |
| 07:21.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 07:22.05 | Tewan | Adys, http://tewan.info/specialeffects.png |
| 07:22.13 | Adys | 404 |
| 07:22.21 | Adys | either way sounds like you use dualview |
| 07:22.24 | Tewan | oops, try now |
| 07:22.30 | Adys | yeah thats compiz |
| 07:22.49 | Shirik | wtf |
| 07:23.02 | Adys | Tewan: just as a warning, compiz and wine dont like eachother |
| 07:23.23 | Adys | if you get graphical glitches (in or out of wow) youll know where it comes from |
| 07:23.32 | Shirik | ok, um |
| 07:23.35 | Thunder_Child | i think i might try vmware -> linux -> wine -> wow just to see what it's like |
| 07:23.37 | Shirik | need some help here |
| 07:23.43 | Shirik | ./a.out causes a ton of spam |
| 07:23.52 | Tewan | Adys, http://tewan.info/xsettings.png |
| 07:23.57 | Shirik | ./a.out 2> ./test.txt outputs the same spam, so does ./a.out > ./test.txt |
| 07:24.01 | Shirik | how is this possible? |
| 07:24.06 | Adys | Tewan: you're using dual view |
| 07:24.12 | Adys | Shirik: &> ? |
| 07:24.19 | Tewan | Adys oh |
| 07:24.26 | Adys | my bad |
| 07:24.28 | Shirik | same effect, Adys |
| 07:24.29 | Adys | its twinview |
| 07:24.30 | Adys | not dualview |
| 07:24.35 | Tewan | :P |
| 07:24.40 | krka | Tewan: you can use compiz to disable window movement for the wow window, that way alt+drag gets captured by wow instead of by x |
| 07:24.55 | Adys | krka: thats been fixed ages ago |
| 07:25.06 | krka | oh |
| 07:25.16 | krka | fixed to what? |
| 07:25.20 | Adys | 0.9.6x or so |
| 07:25.33 | krka | i.e. i am not sure what the correct behaviour is |
| 07:25.40 | Adys | wine attempts to capture modifier keys before the window manager |
| 07:25.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Taladris (n=elite3vi@unaffiliated/elite3vil) |
| 07:26.00 | krka | i see |
| 07:26.35 | Adys | either way using the super key to move windows is better |
| 07:26.38 | Tewan | Adys, regardless, why were you wondering about that? |
| 07:26.42 | Adys | just because its the way I do so |
| 07:27.12 | Adys | Tewan: oh yeah, er was just wondering because i know you can change the main monitor on the fly with dualview |
| 07:27.42 | kd3 | with smart wms, whatever monitor you have your cursor on is the monitor windows get drawn on |
| 07:27.49 | kd3 | <3 xfwm4 |
| 07:27.58 | Adys | depends on the app |
| 07:28.16 | Tewan | kd3, it's like that with my apps except for WoW |
| 07:28.27 | Adys | wow always opens on the main monitor |
| 07:29.00 | Adys | nautilus, gedit and what not open on the monitor my mouse is in, and some apps store which monitor they were on last startup |
| 07:29.23 | Shirik | other than ctrl+c, is there a good way to kill the current app? |
| 07:29.27 | Shirik | I really broke this >< |
| 07:29.35 | Adys | killall ? |
| 07:29.40 | Shirik | I can't run commands |
| 07:29.59 | Thrae | WoW opens on the main monitor due to DX / OpenGL polling restrictions |
| 07:30.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (n=funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 07:30.19 | Adys | kill it from another terminal? |
| 07:30.23 | krka | ctrl-alt-f1 and kill it from there |
| 07:30.25 | Shirik | can't make another terminal :P |
| 07:30.29 | Thrae | Shirik: Can you SSH in? |
| 07:30.30 | krka | or ssh to the computer from another computer |
| 07:30.32 | Shirik | ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't open another terminal |
| 07:30.35 | Adys | try the reboot button |
| 07:30.38 | Shirik | ssh requires a cert which I haven't built yet |
| 07:30.46 | Shirik | I... wow |
| 07:30.48 | krka | unplug the power cord :P |
| 07:30.52 | Shirik | despite the fact that nothing was displaying |
| 07:30.55 | Thrae | CTRL+ALT+F1, CTRL+ALT+F2, CTRL+ALT+F3, CTRL+ALT+F4 |
| 07:30.57 | Shirik | typing exit and hitting enter worked |
| 07:31.09 | Thrae | Ahhhh |
| 07:31.18 | krka | ctrl-d might have worken then too |
| 07:31.21 | Thrae | Shirik: You probably turned off flow control. Were you using a SCREEN session? |
| 07:31.29 | Shirik | I am using a screen session yes |
| 07:31.34 | Shirik | but I'm still in screen |
| 07:31.48 | Shirik | I still have no idea how to log this output though |
| 07:31.51 | Shirik | so I'm back at square 1 |
| 07:31.54 | Thrae | Shirik: To enable flow control, CTRL+a Q |
| 07:32.03 | Shirik | But I see everything in bash |
| 07:32.26 | Thrae | Shirik: Generally I start screen with flow control turned off using the -fn parameter |
| 07:32.30 | Shirik | well anyway, how is it possible for something like |
| 07:32.41 | Shirik | "./a.out &> ./test.txt" produce output |
| 07:32.57 | kd3 | stderr? |
| 07:33.11 | Shirik | 2> does the same |
| 07:33.15 | Shirik | isn't captured |
| 07:33.27 | Thrae | stderr isn't captured for that |
| 07:33.35 | Shirik | I thought 2> was stderr? |
| 07:35.07 | Tewan | What's a good FTP program for unix that isn't gFTP or Filezilla? |
| 07:35.21 | Adys | nautilus |
| 07:35.21 | MentalPower | ftp is good |
| 07:35.25 | MentalPower | :P |
| 07:35.27 | Thrae | Shirik: It is, but you need to use & to dump it to a file |
| 07:35.40 | Tewan | Adys, having fun with special effects, http://tewan.info/wowwitheffects.png |
| 07:35.41 | Tewan | :P |
| 07:35.48 | Thrae | Shirik: ./a.out 2>&./file |
| 07:36.04 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@li23-154 ~ $ ./a.out 2>&./test.txt |
| 07:36.05 | Shirik | -bash: ./test.txt: ambiguous redirect |
| 07:36.40 | Thrae | Shirik: ./a.out 2>&./file | |
| 07:36.58 | Shirik | it awaits further commands :P |
| 07:37.30 | Adys | bash is like perl |
| 07:37.35 | Adys | you type random special keys |
| 07:37.37 | Shirik | I finally found out what all that spam is though |
| 07:37.37 | Thrae | I must be thinking of perl |
| 07:37.38 | Adys | at some point it will work |
| 07:37.50 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/107085 |
| 07:37.56 | Shirik | That is a hell of a lot of spam for a simple bad delete |
| 07:40.25 | Thunder_Child | nothing is ever simple with you Shirik |
| 07:40.34 | Shirik | I like to break things |
| 07:40.47 | Thunder_Child | who doesnt? |
| 07:40.53 | Tewan | me |
| 07:40.56 | Adys | why does every single website feel the need for an "ajaxey image view" that loads in the middle of the screen and has pretty effects and what not |
| 07:40.56 | Tewan | I like to keep them fixed |
| 07:40.57 | Tewan | ._. |
| 07:41.04 | Thunder_Child | you are not human, gtfo Tewan |
| 07:41.08 | Adys | its annoying |
| 07:41.14 | Tewan | Adys, I HATE it. |
| 07:41.15 | Tewan | :/ |
| 07:41.23 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (n=chatzill@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Brykrys) |
| 07:41.35 | Shirik | Tewan: I'm currently involved in intentionally breaking safety-critical systems :D |
| 07:41.38 | Shirik | it's fun stuff |
| 07:41.43 | Tewan | Shirik, ah I see |
| 07:41.53 | Thunder_Child | besides, you cant keep stuff "fixed" if it hasent been broken |
| 07:41.59 | Shirik | of course, I do it in a simulator |
| 07:42.03 | Shirik | where it won't blow up |
| 07:42.08 | Shirik | well I guess it blows up virtually |
| 07:42.09 | Tewan | Thunder_Child, I don't like breaking things, but I do it anyways :D |
| 07:42.18 | Tewan | Better? :3 |
| 07:42.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 07:42.30 | Thunder_Child | Tewan, no, thats an accident |
| 07:42.42 | *** join/#wowuidev nevcairiel (i=nevcairi@staff.lanparty.enlarged.de) |
| 07:42.44 | Thunder_Child | there are fantastic jobs out there that are all about breaking stuff |
| 07:42.51 | Thunder_Child | mostly security related however |
| 07:43.05 | Shirik | This is automotive, though I would love to enter the security industry |
| 07:43.24 | Tewan | fine, I lied |
| 07:43.25 | Tewan | :( |
| 07:43.39 | Thunder_Child | me to, i would love to do physical/digital intrusion |
| 07:43.53 | kd3 | being part of a tiger team would be all kinds of fun |
| 07:43.56 | Thunder_Child | banks/high end stores |
| 07:44.01 | Thunder_Child | fun stuff |
| 07:44.10 | kd3 | cardboard boxes with 'bomb!' written on them... etc... |
| 07:44.26 | Tewan | Lol http://fukung.net/v/6643/kayak.jpg |
| 07:44.27 | Shirik | tiger team? |
| 07:44.33 | Thunder_Child | i prefer bombs with 'bombs' written on them |
| 07:44.41 | Thunder_Child | keeps it real |
| 07:44.47 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_team |
| 07:45.48 | Tewan | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=emerald+australia+qld&daddr=san+francisco+usa&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.50801,114.257812&ie=UTF8&z=3 |
| 07:45.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh (n=Srosh@c136133.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 07:45.54 | Tewan | can't believe it. |
| 07:46.16 | Adys | i thought that was removed a year ago |
| 07:46.54 | kd3 | it was 'swim across the atlantic ocean' last time, going from new york to london |
| 07:47.00 | Adys | yeah i remember |
| 07:47.23 | Thunder_Child | thats a shit-ton of toll roads in japan |
| 07:47.42 | Shirik | ok night |
| 07:47.46 | Adys | night Shiibot |
| 07:47.47 | Adys | Shirik: |
| 07:48.04 | Thunder_Child | you as well Adys |
| 07:48.11 | Thunder_Child | stupid Addybot's comes up first |
| 07:48.34 | Adys | mwahheahh |
| 07:48.35 | Thunder_Child | why cant you people but the boys behind on the tab list |
| 07:48.39 | Thunder_Child | bots* |
| 07:48.52 | Adys | we put the boys behind many things |
| 07:48.54 | Shirik | why can't your client be more intelligent |
| 07:49.06 | Thunder_Child | cuse it's mirc |
| 07:49.08 | Shirik | !reload |
| 07:49.08 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 07:49.10 | Shirik | ok night |
| 07:49.22 | Thunder_Child | !! |
| 07:50.13 | Shirik | now it says Kayak, kd3? |
| 07:50.17 | Shirik | It used to be swim :( |
| 07:50.19 | Adys | yes |
| 07:50.21 | Adys | go to bed |
| 07:50.48 | Tewan | gotta sleep |
| 07:50.55 | Tewan | 1:50AM and I got school |
| 07:50.58 | Tewan | thanks guys |
| 07:51.02 | Tewan | :> |
| 07:51.05 | Adys | night |
| 07:51.13 | Tewan | night |
| 07:51.29 | Tewan | oh, wait |
| 07:51.35 | Shirik | wtf |
| 07:51.37 | Tewan | Adys, how do I make something autorun in Ubuntu |
| 07:51.42 | Shirik | why is there a city in AK named "North Pole" |
| 07:51.44 | Adys | what do you mean? |
| 07:51.51 | Tewan | er, nevermind |
| 07:51.55 | Adys | Shirik: wanna see my pole? |
| 07:51.57 | Tewan | I suppose I should look at Synergy instead |
| 07:52.10 | Shirik | I would prefer not |
| 07:52.27 | Adys | its long and soft, you'd enjoy it |
| 07:52.55 | Adys | somewhat metallic though, Im not attempting something with you there |
| 07:55.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Dolby (n=Dolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby) |
| 07:55.16 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Dolby] by ChanServ |
| 07:57.13 | *** join/#wowuidev zenzio (n=zenzelez@85.19.77.194) |
| 08:06.37 | Tekkub | why does misery specifically say "harmful spells"... you can't cast helpful spells on mobs, and those don't use hit anyway |
| 08:08.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Antiarc1 (n=Antiarc@wsip-70-167-195-98.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 08:09.52 | Thunder_Child | because it never says target Tekkub |
| 08:10.14 | Tekkub | it's a debuff applied to your target though |
| 08:11.00 | *** join/#wowuidev CrazyMYKL (n=rumors@149.152.112.26) |
| 08:12.30 | Thunder_Child | maybe because the previous itteration of the spell was different |
| 08:17.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Duman (n=duman@crossover.boom.net) |
| 08:19.39 | *** join/#wowuidev batrick (n=batrick@c-68-35-53-13.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 08:19.47 | batrick | why was I in that other channel?! QQ |
| 08:19.56 | batrick | !lua points(1600) |
| 08:20.21 | *** join/#wowuidev batrick (n=batrick@c-68-35-53-13.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 08:20.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-169-229-41.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 08:20.44 | *** join/#wowuidev batbot (n=batbot@c-68-35-53-13.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 08:20.56 | batrick | !lua points(1600) |
| 08:21.03 | batbot | batrick: > 465, 5v5 |
| 08:21.21 | *** join/#wowuidev ckknight (n=ckknight@c-68-62-175-169.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 08:21.39 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 08:23.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 08:24.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (n=kalroth@0x573f1066.hjnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 08:28.38 | *** join/#wowuidev phyber (i=phyber@irssi.co.uk) |
| 08:31.14 | Elkano | hmm... is there a precompiled luacurl for windows? |
| 08:32.16 | batrick | what's a good player bar? I need something with a large health bar |
| 08:32.46 | *** join/#wowuidev chrippa (n=chrippa@evangelion.se) |
| 08:34.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Random (n=Denial@unaffiliated/windaria) |
| 08:35.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Spellbinder (i=Spellbin@ua-83-227-160-168.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 08:39.52 | *** join/#wowuidev nuoHep (n=nuoHep@89.222.156.36) |
| 08:50.10 | *** join/#wowuidev AnduinLothar (n=AnduinLo@WoWUIDev/Cosmos/AnduinLothar) |
| 08:50.10 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v AnduinLothar] by ChanServ |
| 08:50.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Tewan (n=Tewan@ppp-70-253-75-47.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 08:50.45 | Tewan | god I need to sleep |
| 08:50.56 | Tewan | I was fighting with my network trying to get Ubuntu to keep my static IP |
| 08:51.05 | AnduinLothar | sleep? whats that? |
| 08:51.12 | Tewan | the thing I need to do |
| 08:51.27 | Tewan | night guys, finally |
| 08:57.16 | AnduinLothar | >.< my cable went out for liek 30 min. and now my dl is 100kbps and my upload is 400kbps |
| 08:57.21 | AnduinLothar | gg |
| 09:22.28 | Thrae | I'm selling my computer. Anyone in Maryland interested? Heh, small state. Probably not. |
| 09:26.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Guest29267 (i=skullsho@132.253.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 09:27.41 | Fisker- | hot |
| 09:28.26 | jnwhiteh | hrm, did the freenode server restart at some point earlier today? |
| 09:28.58 | nevcairiel | i think so |
| 09:29.15 | jnwhiteh | my proxy tried to reconnect, very odd :P |
| 09:29.43 | nevcairiel | apparently stupid Shiibot locked the channel and i ended up in his damn redirect channel because my auto-auth didnt work fast enough |
| 09:30.07 | *** join/#wowuidev pb_ee1 (n=nospam@meilleu015869-2.clients.easynet.fr) |
| 09:30.53 | jnwhiteh | I server-auth so I have no idea how I ended up in there |
| 09:31.16 | jnwhiteh | because server auth is easy and there isn't anything faster =) |
| 09:32.23 | nevcairiel | i thought i set that up too |
| 09:32.29 | nevcairiel | but shrug |
| 09:32.41 | nevcairiel | maybe services ended up split from the server i tried to connect to |
| 09:37.39 | jnwhiteh | yeah that could certainly be :P |
| 09:55.23 | *** join/#wowuidev chii (i=chii@freenode/bot/chii) |
| 09:57.17 | *** join/#wowuidev jnwhiteh (n=jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire) |
| 09:57.17 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o jnwhiteh] by ChanServ |
| 09:59.05 | jnwhiteh | Bizarre |
| 10:01.05 | Kalroth | kinky |
| 10:06.19 | Fisker- | i hate you jnwhiteh |
| 10:06.23 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 10:06.59 | jnwhiteh | then all is right in the world |
| 10:07.03 | Fisker- | >( |
| 10:07.05 | Fisker- | .) |
| 10:07.07 | Fisker- | :) |
| 10:09.38 | *** join/#wowuidev d87 (n=x@host89-251-107-29.hnet.ru) |
| 10:21.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Legorol (n=legorol@183-19-105.ip.adsl.hu) |
| 10:21.36 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ |
| 10:27.43 | *** join/#wowuidev [Ammo] (n=wouter@WoWUIDev/WowAce/ammo) |
| 10:39.15 | *** join/#wowuidev ZorbaTHut (i=tocohl@69.12.150.49) |
| 10:43.16 | *** join/#wowuidev pb_ee1 (n=nospam@meilleu015869-2.clients.easynet.fr) |
| 10:50.59 | *** join/#wowuidev aesir1 (n=Aesir@24.238.95.142.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) |
| 10:58.52 | *** join/#wowuidev sacarasc (i=sacarasc@xmms2/bitch/sacarasc) |
| 11:02.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Olorin (n=Olorin@87-194-223-111.bethere.co.uk) |
| 11:08.58 | *** join/#wowuidev zenzelezz (n=zenzelez@95.34.76.240.customer.cdi.no) |
| 11:11.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Movix (n=mattes@82.242.144.196) |
| 11:15.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Bootless (i=HydraIRC@d193-237-222.home3.cgocable.net) |
| 11:18.03 | *** join/#wowuidev aesir1 (n=Aesir@24.238.95.142.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) |
| 11:18.45 | *** join/#wowuidev lua_bot (n=lua_bot@li37-84.members.linode.com) |
| 11:22.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Slaren (i=slaren@30.Red-88-18-148.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 11:23.52 | *** part/#wowuidev Slaren (i=slaren@30.Red-88-18-148.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 11:27.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 11:30.59 | *** part/#wowuidev Olor (n=Olorin@87-194-223-111.bethere.co.uk) |
| 11:43.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 11:59.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 12:11.28 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraioc_ (n=sioraioc@78-86-82-152.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 12:11.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Wraithan (n=wraithan@c-76-105-137-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 12:12.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Olorin (n=Olorin@87-194-223-111.bethere.co.uk) |
| 12:12.18 | Wraithan | Looking for a decent IDE for wow addons that has been updated since WotLK |
| 12:12.18 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a scheduled maintenance. Please note that all European realms will be offline from 03:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET).Thank you for your patience and understanding. |
| 12:12.18 | Shiibot | > If you have submitted an in-game help petition please note that you will need to click on the âGM Chat Requestâ that will appear in the right-hand corner of the game in order to open the conversation with a Game Master. Please see the General forum for more details. |
| 12:12.18 | Shiibot | > 21/01 Free character migrationDue to population and faction differences, the following Free Character Migration will be available from January 21st to 27th:Horde only: Magtheridon --> Haomarush, Tarren Mill, Trollbane, Zenedar |
| 12:14.05 | Olorin | Think most here use a syntax highlighting text editor rather than anything more fancy since they are usually out of date very quickly |
| 12:15.46 | Olorin | SciTE is decent, so is Notepad++ , both support Lua highlighting, SciTE will link with a Lua compiler and check for errors before reloading your ui ingame |
| 12:15.47 | Fisker- | fail Olorin |
| 12:15.48 | Fisker- | FAIL! |
| 12:16.01 | Fisker- | ah doh |
| 12:16.13 | Fisker- | didn't see he asked here as well :D |
| 12:16.18 | Olorin | what was that fisker? |
| 12:16.20 | Olorin | huh huh |
| 12:17.10 | Fisker- | he asked on #wowace as well |
| 12:17.18 | Fisker- | and i thought you were replying in the wrong channel :D |
| 12:17.57 | Olorin | ahh so ready to point out my flaws... ill provide you ample opportunity later when I ask dumb questions :/ |
| 12:18.51 | Fisker- | :D |
| 12:21.21 | *** join/#wowuidev selckin (n=selckin@unaffiliated/axxo) |
| 12:27.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Lothaer (n=jamiecoo@115-166-30-239.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 12:27.16 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lothaer] by ChanServ |
| 12:27.23 | Lothaer | hey guys |
| 12:28.05 | jnwhiteh | hiya |
| 12:29.09 | Lothaer | patch just released |
| 12:29.19 | Kalroth | wut? |
| 12:30.06 | Olorin` | strange, same patchnotes as 3.08 must be just a quickfix |
| 12:30.21 | nevcairiel | whats the version/build? |
| 12:30.27 | nevcairiel | still 3.0.8 or a 3.0.9? |
| 12:30.32 | Lothaer | WoW-3.0.8.9464-to-3.0.8.9506-enUS-downloader.exe |
| 12:31.01 | nevcairiel | yeah some clientside hotfixes then |
| 12:31.10 | jnwhiteh | Anyone know how I can reproduce logging in in-combat? |
| 12:31.44 | Elkano | Lothaer, are you the same Lothaer as the one who posted in the ItemSync thread in wowace forums yesterday? |
| 12:31.49 | nevcairiel | i suppose only in raid combat |
| 12:31.56 | nevcairiel | since normal instances put you ooc if you log out |
| 12:32.05 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: yeah =/ |
| 12:32.09 | jnwhiteh | makes fixing this clique bug difficult |
| 12:32.15 | jnwhiteh | i have to look at the events that fire when you log in in combat |
| 12:32.18 | jnwhiteh | to see why its happening. |
| 12:32.30 | nevcairiel | get two friends and go to MC |
| 12:32.31 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 12:32.36 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 12:32.42 | jnwhiteh | i dont have time for that =/ |
| 12:34.15 | Olorin` | I agroed mobs in ratchet then ran all way to xroads with them , alt-f4 hoping they would break off without killing them but when i came back in they were still on me |
| 12:34.26 | jnwhiteh | interesting |
| 12:34.48 | Olorin` | was the ones on docks |
| 12:41.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Kathrin-27^away (n=kati-zh@59-34-239-77-pool.cable.fcom.ch) |
| 12:44.36 | Lothaer | Elk yes i am |
| 12:44.49 | Lothaer | damn hes gone :D |
| 12:45.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 12:45.55 | Lothaer | wb Elkano |
| 12:46.14 | Elkano | reh ^^ |
| 12:46.29 | Lothaer | yeah im the one and the same :D |
| 12:46.40 | Lothaer | only wish i could have had the same name on the wowinterface forums :D |
| 12:47.14 | Elkano | had a look at my ItemDB? |
| 12:47.20 | Lothaer | nope |
| 12:47.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Pac2722 (n=irccrick@123.211.125.198) |
| 12:47.23 | Lothaer | ill go look now |
| 12:47.26 | Lothaer | same deal? |
| 12:47.43 | Elkano | http://my.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/itemdb.aspx |
| 12:48.04 | Elkano | well, it doesn't build its own DB but uses the client's cache |
| 12:48.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Bibi (n=Bibi@unaffiliated/bibi) |
| 12:48.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Zor (i=xtzgzore@0x3e42c894.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 12:48.29 | *** join/#wowuidev qwesto (i=qwesto@stalin.acc.umu.se) |
| 12:49.06 | Lothaer | can i input itemIDs to get links? |
| 12:49.41 | Lothaer | ill give it a whirl when the servers come up |
| 12:49.47 | Elkano | unfortunatly not currently, but thank's for remembering me ^^ |
| 12:50.08 | Elkano | I'll make the name search box match on the id, too |
| 12:50.27 | Lothaer | awesome |
| 12:51.00 | Elkano | it also has a buildin PeriodicTable browser ^^ |
| 12:52.48 | Lothaer | yeah u used the AH didnt ya :D |
| 12:54.28 | Elkano | only the UI art |
| 12:54.57 | Elkano | the old version used to use the same codebase, too, but this one was recoded from scratch |
| 12:55.38 | Lothaer | cool im stocked that glowfosho got a update :D |
| 12:56.53 | Lothaer | been linking CB with massacre all day :D, also linked it on a shoulder item, mana potion and bow :D |
| 13:00.02 | Olorin` | are any servers up for purposes of testing ui code today? |
| 13:00.07 | Lothaer | eu maybe |
| 13:00.09 | Lothaer | US no |
| 13:00.29 | Lothaer | wont but up intil 11:30am |
| 13:00.31 | Olorin` | just need to change the config file for EU? |
| 13:00.37 | Lothaer | no idea |
| 13:00.45 | Lothaer | but you need a EU account |
| 13:00.52 | Lothaer | to play on the EU servers |
| 13:01.07 | Olorin` | ok thanks |
| 13:01.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 13:02.29 | Lothaer | so Gorana is officially a Orc-Draenei halfbreed |
| 13:02.31 | Lothaer | :D |
| 13:02.51 | Lothaer | and she got it on with a human ewwwww |
| 13:02.56 | Lothaer | id rather do a gnome |
| 13:03.02 | Fisker- | wat? |
| 13:03.29 | Olorin` | gnomes are like kids, eww you sick puppy |
| 13:03.37 | Lothaer | rdrr |
| 13:03.56 | Lothaer | Garona* |
| 13:04.10 | Lothaer | http://www.wowwiki.com/Garona_Halforcen |
| 13:05.14 | Olorin` | yikes you could lose a two handed battleaxe in that bust |
| 13:05.32 | Lothaer | ROFL |
| 13:05.47 | Lothaer | id like to use my Titansteel Destroyer on her... if you know what i mean D: |
| 13:06.56 | Lothaer | and Lok'amir can go somewhere else mwahahaha |
| 13:07.47 | Olorin` | that first picture reminds me of an episode of star-trek enterprise |
| 13:10.03 | Lothaer | and her son is half human with magic powers :D |
| 13:11.18 | Lothaer | yet she has none of her own and she mentions Medivh and Khadgar as her own human friends (Llane is also one of her human friends) |
| 13:12.53 | Lothaer | and for those who dont know Llane was Varian (the current king of SW) father. |
| 13:13.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Burgundy (i=bingothe@89.115.11.89) |
| 13:14.45 | Lothaer | ~seen Cairenn |
| 13:14.56 | purl | cairenn is currently on #waruidev (7h 33m 54s) #wowuidev (7h 33m 54s) #wowace (7h 33m 54s) #wowwiki (7h 33m 54s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 11h 56m 33s, last said: 'art3mis is just jealous because we aren't cuddling him'. |
| 13:19.49 | Lothaer | hey brykrys u there? |
| 13:19.59 | brykrys | yep |
| 13:20.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 13:21.46 | Lothaer | did u figure out whats up with RB and LW? |
| 13:21.50 | Lothaer | wb again Elk :D |
| 13:22.12 | Elkano | yeah... somehow my VPN keeps freaking out today :/ |
| 13:22.43 | *** join/#wowuidev RockSlice (i=kvirc@c-68-56-135-30.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 13:23.04 | brykrys | Lothaer: I couldn't get RB to _not_ work with LW. No idea why it might not work for you |
| 13:24.12 | Lothaer | grr |
| 13:24.25 | Lothaer | so its should just be plug and play right? |
| 13:24.35 | Lothaer | no commands or anything? |
| 13:25.11 | brykrys | as far as I can see, should act exactly the same as ItemRefTooltip or GameTooltip |
| 13:27.01 | Lothaer | ill delete the LW and RB wtf files and and do a fresh download and see if that helps if not anything you can suggest? |
| 13:27.53 | brykrys | RB hooks into LW via TipHooker - you don't have anything else that might conflict with that? |
| 13:28.16 | Lothaer | nope no other TT mods at all |
| 13:29.02 | Lothaer | when the servers come back ill login with just LW and RB enablef and see if that works if not ill try and find the conflict |
| 13:29.08 | brykrys | ^LinTipHooker-1.1 |
| 13:29.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Zyndrome (n=faggotry@81-233-206-163-no89.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 13:29.24 | brykrys | grr LibTipHooker-1.1 |
| 13:29.39 | Lothaer | im using embeded libraries |
| 13:30.29 | zenzelezz | yay for code behaving differently from development to live server :-| |
| 13:30.30 | brykrys | I think that library is maintained by Whitetooth, same as RB |
| 13:30.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Ycarene (n=Ycarene@24-116-56-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 13:30.46 | brykrys | and TankPoints too? |
| 13:31.06 | Lothaer | nope |
| 13:32.39 | *** join/#wowuidev spode (i=spode@213.21.89.233) |
| 13:35.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 13:48.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.29.18) |
| 13:48.04 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 13:54.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@78.151.177.192) |
| 13:59.52 | *** join/#wowuidev KarlThePagan (n=karl@66.225.8.145) |
| 14:04.10 | *** join/#wowuidev [dRaCo] (n=drc@brsg-4dbb0e4e.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 14:05.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 14:11.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Pizik (n=Blank@planeshift/gamemaster/Pizik) |
| 14:13.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Beladona (n=Beladona@24.129.136.26) |
| 14:13.34 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Beladona] by ChanServ |
| 14:14.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Pneumatus (n=WiN@unaffiliated/pneumatus) |
| 14:14.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=Shirik@132.253.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 14:14.41 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 14:14.58 | Olorin` | its pretty bad when housework only gets done when servers down :/ |
| 14:15.39 | Kalroth | haha |
| 14:16.28 | Shirik | ooooh |
| 14:16.35 | Shirik | I think I found out what's causing my BSODs on sleep |
| 14:16.45 | Shirik | C:\Users\mpdelbuono>powercfg -devicequery wake_armed |
| 14:16.46 | Shirik | TOSHIBA Software Modem |
| 14:16.48 | Shirik | that doesn't seem right |
| 14:18.19 | Kalroth | wake armed? that sounds hostile |
| 14:18.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Wraithan1 (n=wraithan@c-76-105-137-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 14:18.53 | Shirik | it basically tells you which device caused the last wakeup |
| 14:19.20 | Shirik | it actually tells you what devices are eliible to wake up your computer |
| 14:19.25 | Shirik | eligable |
| 14:20.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Dark_Elf (i=Dark_Elf@ip69.net253.mw.net) |
| 14:20.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Chompers (n=Chompers@cpc1-cove9-0-0-cust541.brhm.cable.ntl.com) |
| 14:20.37 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: did you get my email on the Lua listserv yesterday? I havent' seen any responses so I'm doubting it went throug =) |
| 14:20.50 | Shirik | Yeah, didn't get a chance to read it but saw a few from you |
| 14:21.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Spellshaper (n=Spellsha@HSI-KBW-078-042-101-229.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 14:21.19 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 14:21.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 14:23.11 | *** join/#wowuidev topsub (n=josh@97.66.185.250) |
| 14:29.40 | *** join/#wowuidev ph0bic (n=user@unaffiliated/ph0bic) |
| 14:36.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 14:40.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Kandoko (n=Testing@adsl-068-159-119-207.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net) |
| 14:41.40 | *** join/#wowuidev RockSlice (i=kvirc@c-68-56-135-30.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 14:46.44 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (n=sioraioc@78-86-82-152.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 14:47.35 | jnwhiteh | Anyone happen to have a coupon code for Textmate? |
| 14:49.03 | *** join/#wowuidev |Pixel| (n=pixel@nobis-crew.org) |
| 14:49.25 | Shirik | heh |
| 14:49.29 | Shirik | Studying for this quiz, and I see this note |
| 14:49.42 | Shirik | Ottoman colonel Mustafa Kemal, future Ataturk, gained reputation as a resourceful military commander |
| 14:49.59 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: WHAT FACTION!? |
| 14:50.06 | Shirik | And I see in my head "You have gained 15 reputation with Ottomans" |
| 14:50.10 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 14:54.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Diao (i=vschiu@adsl-76-254-51-154.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 14:55.40 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 14:56.28 | ckknight | in Civ 4 I sometimes like to play as either the Arabs or the Ottomans, get Islam ASAP and then promote that in all my neighboring countries |
| 14:56.36 | ckknight | if they don't submit, I'll invade |
| 15:03.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Droolio (n=drool@87-194-188-170.bethere.co.uk) |
| 15:11.35 | Shirik | whoo |
| 15:11.42 | Shirik | studying for all of beginning of semester in 30 minutes |
| 15:11.44 | Shirik | that's pro |
| 15:12.07 | Shirik | I like how he totally decided to ignore the entirety of the lectures which I was there for |
| 15:12.15 | Shirik | and instead opted to quiz on the lectures I missed |
| 15:14.36 | Shirik | ! |
| 15:14.41 | Shirik | Google Chrome has stopped working |
| 15:14.46 | Shirik | Windows is checking for a solution to the problem... |
| 15:14.51 | Shirik | I didn't even know that was possible :P |
| 15:15.11 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (n=sioraioc@78-86-82-152.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 15:16.37 | *** join/#wowuidev ckknight (n=ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 15:16.37 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 15:23.38 | Shirik | Anyone here good with fisheye configuration? |
| 15:23.58 | Shirik | It's saying I don't have any repositories when I log in, but when I log out they're all there >.> |
| 15:24.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (i=amarande@24-151-102-150.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 15:25.09 | Amarande | soo ... were the recent arena changes supposed to *fix* arena ratings, or break them? lol |
| 15:25.35 | Amarande | what I'm reading on the forums seems to suggest that the current system is now even more broken than the pre-fix system :| |
| 15:25.54 | nevcairiel | break them, drive all arena players into suicide, remove arena from wow |
| 15:25.56 | nevcairiel | win-win! |
| 15:26.08 | ckknight | when the winner gains -2 points, something's wrong |
| 15:26.32 | Amarande | when people play as a unified team, no subs, for an extended number of games and end up with different personal ratings, something's wrong |
| 15:27.55 | Amarande | the worst cases seem to be happening with healer classes who can also CC |
| 15:28.10 | Amarande | apparently, those in particular always seem to end up with lower personal ratings than their pards |
| 15:29.32 | Amarande | there's also cases where teams will face each other several times in a row, go .500, and -both- teams will have -lost- a ton of rating |
| 15:32.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Hjalte (n=chatzill@62.242.38.50) |
| 15:36.02 | Amarande | which ... does not compute |
| 15:36.15 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly| (n=chatzill@66-169-186-78.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 15:36.16 | Amarande | if you go .500 against an equal rated team over a string of games, both ratings should stay the same? |
| 15:36.36 | Lopeppeppy | They've admitted that ratings will be a bit wonky for a while, until the data curve smooths out a bit. |
| 15:41.44 | *** join/#wowuidev p3lim (n=p3lim@084202164112.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 15:42.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-39-202.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 15:42.18 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 15:45.53 | Amarande | Lopeppeppy: so it doesn't *really* have anything to do with some sort of hidden DPS or healing tracking or such? |
| 15:46.31 | Amarande | (which is what people keep thinking, especially given the circumstances of many of these groups ending up with large disparities between partners' ratings when they started arena together and always played as that team) |
| 15:47.44 | Lopeppeppy | Amarande, what I've read does say that there are two rankings, the visible one and the hidden one that serves as balancing weight to the distribution (from what I understood of the blue post). |
| 15:48.18 | *** join/#wowuidev MoonWolf (n=MoonWolf@dhcp-077-250-125-249.chello.nl) |
| 15:48.47 | Amarande | Apparently people are thinking that the hidden ranking is directly tied to your DPS output, heal output and number of killing blows |
| 15:49.11 | Amarande | and thus, crying foul in cases where, for instance, you'd have 2's teams where the healer is also significantly capable of CC |
| 15:49.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (n=Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa) |
| 15:49.42 | Lunessa | STATION |
| 15:49.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh (n=Srosh@c136133.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 15:49.55 | Lopeppeppy | Amarande, I doubt it highly. |
| 15:49.59 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 15:50.00 | Amarande | thus, since at least someone in the other team spends a lot of time CC'd, they're not doing as much damage, therefore, not as much healing needs to be done, while presumably the healer's partner is pewpewing to the max, so pard gets seen as being a 'better player' and gets a higher hidden ranking |
| 15:50.26 | Amarande | in any case, there does seem to be a fairly regular occurrence that in such teams, the pard ends up with a significantly higher personal rating than the healer |
| 15:50.54 | Amarande | is there -any- explanation as to how the hidden ranking is determined? |
| 15:51.11 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe they are trying to do something to increase ratings based on actual "participation"... but no, I don't think there has been any direct discussion of how that ranking is determined. |
| 15:51.38 | Amarande | there has to be something wrong, if you have fixed no-subs teams playing for an extended period of time and ending up with significant personal rating gaps between the players |
| 15:52.28 | Lopeppeppy | Is it "wrong" or is there just not enough date in yet. This is such a new system. |
| 15:52.55 | Amarande | also, there's been still a lot of reports of losses being overweighted |
| 15:53.16 | Lopeppeppy | I don't doubt that players feel that way. *nod* |
| 15:53.28 | Amarande | Well, here's what does seem to be known |
| 15:53.42 | Amarande | Point the first: A string of games between equal rated teams should go .500 for both teams. |
| 15:53.52 | Amarande | This is pretty much posited by the Elo system itself, right? |
| 15:53.53 | Lopeppeppy | Remember the "seems" part.... and luck... and lag. |
| 15:54.08 | Lopeppeppy | You're already starting with a false premise, the rest of the logic will be equally flawed. |
| 15:54.27 | Amarande | However, when a string of games occurs between equal rated teams, and they do go .500, the result is not the ratings staying the same by the end of the series |
| 15:54.32 | Amarande | but rather a SIGNIFICANT rating LOSS from both teams |
| 15:55.03 | Amarande | (unless, this is a price Blizzard is exacting in order to make win trading unpalatable due to the fact that people complained about the disciplinary method of dealing with WTs) |
| 15:55.19 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe that's true. |
| 15:56.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (i=EAndre@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 15:56.00 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 15:56.12 | Amarande | People seem to be mostly worrying whether it's going to be basically impossible for a team without already years of PvP experience to ever see S5 weapons, pretty much |
| 15:56.23 | Amarande | seeing as they removed all honor and unrated weapons and only left in the hi-rating weapons |
| 15:56.50 | Amarande | (we know that the former were originally planned, they're visible on wowhead which means they're in the data somewhere) |
| 15:57.54 | Amarande | There's also a rumor that increasing your resilience rating increases your hidden ranking, as well |
| 15:58.06 | Amarande | though this sounds bogus to me |
| 15:59.16 | Lunessa | "You're already starting with a false premise, the rest of the logic will be equally flawed." This. |
| 16:00.45 | Amarande | On a more serious note, it does seem that arena contributes to an already lopsided class balance in the game, too. |
| 16:01.14 | Lunessa | tuesday mornings are the suck around here. Nothing to do but read forums and wait for work. |
| 16:01.17 | Amarande | I've noticed there's -way- too many druids. |
| 16:02.05 | Tain | One druid is too many. |
| 16:02.51 | Lunessa | Druids are the currently in-vogue does-it-all class; tank, melee dps, ranged dps, healer. And lots of the 5-man content really favors druid healers right now. |
| 16:02.53 | Amarande | Arena consensus seems to be that at least in 2's, if you are not a druid or a DK, then your partner needs to be a druid |
| 16:03.23 | Amarande | Lunessa: favors druid healers, or is it more that the typical player finds druid a lot less irritating to level than other healer classes? |
| 16:04.20 | Tain | My problem with Druids is that I've never once, not one single time, met a druid in game that wasn't played by an douche. |
| 16:04.26 | Lunessa | Druid Healing is pretty quick and easy to learn; and many mobile fights and splash damage fights make druid HoTs a 'favored' way of dealing with the healing. |
| 16:04.59 | Amarande | Especially with the nerf to AoE healing making HoTs a must for AoE heavy enemies ... |
| 16:05.27 | Amarande | which logically suggests that nerfing AoE healing was a bad idea |
| 16:05.37 | nevcairiel | I still consider druid healing more complicated then the other healing classes, if you want to be really good anyway |
| 16:05.52 | Amarande | it pressures people into choosing a class that's already too popular |
| 16:06.08 | Lunessa | My point being that you're seeing lots of druids because people found them to be the "EZ-Mode Uber-Class"." *shrug* It's not really true, but perception = reality. |
| 16:06.28 | Amarande | I do notice I seem to die a lot more often in instances with a priest healer than a druid healer, though. |
| 16:06.50 | cog|away | wtf... my credit card's website inserts ads into the lines on the statement... |
| 16:06.58 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:07.10 | nevcairiel | thats pretty fail |
| 16:07.15 | Lunessa | Currently my favorite healers are a duid and a shaman. Most of the priest and paladin healers I know seem to have gotten distracted by new specs. |
| 16:07.45 | Tain | See that's why I liked playing a Rogue. With only a few exceptions, if I needed healing it was due to my own mistake. |
| 16:07.50 | Tain | (During raids.) |
| 16:08.13 | nevcairiel | You haven't been to Sunwell, eh? The mother of AoE instances! |
| 16:08.15 | Amarande | Tain: plus the fact that high mobility fights inherently strongly favor physical DPS over casters? |
| 16:08.30 | Tain | Not as a dagger rogue. |
| 16:08.40 | *** join/#wowuidev PProvost (n=PProvost@WoWUIDev/WAU/Admin/Pprovost) |
| 16:09.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Kowski_ (n=Kowski@pv130242.reshsg.uci.edu) |
| 16:09.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Kowski (n=Kowski@pv130242.reshsg.uci.edu) |
| 16:09.24 | Tain | I hated chasing around MOBs to get behind them. |
| 16:09.27 | nevcairiel | Melees are in alot of fights still somewhat handicapped, like when only the tank has to move the Boss, casters can cast, but melees have to adjust |
| 16:09.35 | Lunessa | All I can say is - I'm sick of "high mobility" fights which require me to jump platforms, jump over acid, jump over pits, etc. If I wanted to playing fucking Mario Bros. I'd be playing fucking Mario Bros. |
| 16:09.37 | nevcairiel | Combine that with a breath or cleave |
| 16:09.40 | nevcairiel | and melees run |
| 16:10.04 | Amarande | Lunessa: yeah, what happened to WoW? |
| 16:10.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Vangual (n=bah@pdpc/supporter/active/vangual) |
| 16:10.15 | Amarande | Plus the anemic amount of raid content with the actual WotLK release |
| 16:10.20 | *** part/#wowuidev Kowski_ (n=Kowski@pv130242.reshsg.uci.edu) |
| 16:10.25 | Lunessa | Someone designing fights likes platformers. |
| 16:10.27 | Amarande | seems that it's not till Ulduar that we're going to get anything -significant and new- raid-wise |
| 16:10.50 | Amarande | Let's see, the only BIG raid instance they put in was a redo of an existing raid instance for higher levels. |
| 16:10.57 | nevcairiel | going to get? Ulduar is the next patch, how would you expect to get something now? |
| 16:10.59 | Lunessa | Actually, I'm NOT disappointed with the amount of raid content. I've only seen a little of it. |
| 16:11.01 | Amarande | All the other raids are tiny little one-boss affairs. |
| 16:11.07 | Tain | I know people are upset about it but it doesn't bother me one bit. I though the original WoW raid stuff was far too much of a pain in the ass for my tastes. |
| 16:11.27 | Tain | Months of Molten Core, BRD, then AQs, etc. etc. |
| 16:11.34 | Amarande | It makes you wonder exactly what the intended focus of WoW is at this point. |
| 16:11.54 | Tain | That's your problem right there. Too much wondering about things that have no answer you'd like. |
| 16:11.56 | nevcairiel | You would know better if you would read what blues write .) |
| 16:11.57 | Lunessa | How about the intended focus is that people play and have some fun? |
| 16:11.57 | Amarande | Unless they're just trying to keep the gravy train going for just long enough to get their new MMO's wheels going. |
| 16:12.47 | Amarande | Tain: and now a raiding situation that makes me glad I always work in the morning on Wednesday heh |
| 16:12.58 | Amarande | and in the afternoon on Tuesday |
| 16:13.05 | Lunessa | Honestly, WotLK has been the most fun expansion for me. Lots of good story, interesting quests, instances that can be done in under an hour, and leveling/gearing happens without spending my entire life on it. |
| 16:13.12 | Amarande | since Tuesday and Wednesday are now, oddly enough, the critical raid days in WoW :) |
| 16:13.32 | Tain | The focus of WoW is to make money, and to provide just enough of an environment to keep people paying money. Not to provide the ultimate experience for everyone who plays. |
| 16:13.32 | Tain | Provide enough for the masses, lowest common denominator. |
| 16:13.47 | Amarande | Yeah, the short instances are definitely a good thing especially when it comes to gearing. |
| 16:13.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Hirsute (n=chatzill@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Hirsute) |
| 16:13.58 | nevcairiel | It was always the same and still is. Elite guilds clear all content within 2 weeks of its release. Only Sunwell was limited because of the portals. |
| 16:13.59 | Tain | I've enjoyed the Lich King quests, the ones with a real story and cinematics. |
| 16:14.03 | Amarande | In BC, the instances were too long to get through a lot of the time when LFG time was taken into consideration. |
| 16:14.05 | nevcairiel | One very big raid instance is all you can expect |
| 16:14.10 | nevcairiel | its 15 encounters |
| 16:14.17 | nevcairiel | plus 2 single boss |
| 16:14.21 | nevcairiel | pretty much the same as BC |
| 16:14.21 | Lunessa | They're a good thing period. BRD - UGH. Most Outland instances, ugh. Too long. |
| 16:14.37 | *** join/#wowuidev up7075l (n=nnscript@cm9205.red83-165.mundo-r.com) |
| 16:14.41 | Tain | I didn't like having to do an instance over two days. |
| 16:15.09 | Amarande | I feel bad for casual weekenders now, though. heh |
| 16:15.15 | Tain | Some people enjoy raiding 3-6 days a week. I don't. But I also dont' mind missing out on the rewards, which is the difference. |
| 16:15.16 | Lunessa | You should be able to get in an instance run in about an hour. I think that's the sweet spot for most people. |
| 16:15.18 | nevcairiel | They said from the beginning, that the existing instances are entry-level raiding |
| 16:15.30 | nevcairiel | for people to get geared and have time to enjoy the solo content |
| 16:15.36 | Amarande | By Saturday, anyone who's any good is probably saved to pretty much every raid for the week |
| 16:15.38 | *** join/#wowuidev TecnoBrat (n=tecnobra@tecnobrat.com) |
| 16:15.38 | Tain | Some people still feel like they deserve the best gear and loot even if they don't raid the top dungeons. |
| 16:15.56 | TecnoBrat | They do! |
| 16:15.56 | nevcairiel | But people just ignore that fact and think QQing will make it better :) |
| 16:16.14 | Lunessa | I like that tokens for tier '7' and '7.5' items can be purchased. |
| 16:16.22 | Amarande | Tain: the problem is there's all too many groups that at this point only -take- people who already have been raiding Naxx for weeks and have good gear and loot |
| 16:16.41 | Tain | That's the nature of raiding. |
| 16:16.42 | Amarande | I've had groups ask me what my DPS meters are. |
| 16:16.51 | Amarande | I've never even BEEN on a raid in wotlk, so I have no idea what my raid DPS is like |
| 16:16.59 | nevcairiel | Ulduar will be a big instance, and have a higher difficulty curve. Granted there won't be a Sunwell anymore where only the really Elite guilds can ever defeat something |
| 16:17.15 | Amarande | I've only done heroics, and in heroics I don't use buff food and flasks |
| 16:17.19 | Tain | Of course I wouldn't go to Naxx with a group of people I didn't know in the first place. |
| 16:17.32 | Lunessa | I think content that caters to less than 5% of your audience is a wasted of dev time. |
| 16:17.38 | Amarande | although I kept kicking myself and wishing I'd gemmed for spellpower instead of hit, and had used buff food and flasks in the H-Nexus run yesterday |
| 16:17.45 | Amarande | Seriously, we got Keristrasza down to TWO HUNDRED HP and wiped |
| 16:17.54 | Tain | You need some of that content, Lunessa. Mainly because those 5% are extremely vocal. |
| 16:17.54 | Amarande | talk about teh epic fail |
| 16:18.02 | Tain | But you don't want to focus on them. |
| 16:18.17 | Amarande | Tain: when you get that content, though, you rip apart guilds |
| 16:18.20 | Tain | Not having it would be a mistake. |
| 16:18.32 | Amarande | because people make their priority to qualify for and get into the top guilds specifically, so they can see that content |
| 16:18.47 | Tain | It's a goal for people, even people who don't ever get to see it like to see the gear that comes from it. |
| 16:19.00 | nevcairiel | Instead of having that 1% content, they are planning to make it for 10% .. but that still upsets the 1% because they are not unique anymore =P |
| 16:19.12 | Lunessa | Tain: I don't think you need to spend a lot of time on stuff 95% of your users will never experience. That's like building a room in your house that you will only use 1 day in 20. |
| 16:19.13 | Tain | There's much more of an impact on the overall game than just the people who raid that content. |
| 16:19.20 | Amarande | people seem to obsess over quality of raids to the point that it doesn't seem like fun though |
| 16:19.36 | Amarande | Some people are more picky about their raid group than about their -sex partners- for Light's sake :| |
| 16:20.12 | Tain | I'm more likely to have sex with someone I don't know than group with them. |
| 16:20.17 | Beladona | I am finally seeing adequate healing numbers on my shaman comapred to the priests and druids in our raid. Partly because of the nerf, and partly because I am stacking more haste now |
| 16:20.25 | Lunessa | Amarande: Considering my lack of sex partners... I'm in that group right now. :P |
| 16:20.28 | Beladona | (responding to an older convo I think) |
| 16:21.02 | Lunessa | Beladona: Yeah, when I heal as a shaman, I stack a lot of haste and m/5 |
| 16:21.04 | Amarande | Tain: that's really ... not a good thing |
| 16:21.07 | nevcairiel | Stupid priests got arrogant with their CoH spam anyway |
| 16:21.15 | |Jelly| | Amarande: As someone who's been forced to PUG Naxx-10 (or at least did, until we made our achievement group) for about a month, I can tell you that I'm pretty picky about who I bring now. Fresh 80s? No thanks. 5 DKs? No thanks. Etc. |
| 16:21.17 | nevcairiel | now they are no where near the top anymore, ha! :) |
| 16:21.20 | Tain | You still need that top raid instance even if only 5% of players ever do it. There's a psychological impact. |
| 16:21.50 | Tain | It's something for people to look at wistfully. A goal, even if they never acheive it. |
| 16:21.57 | Amarande | |Jelly|: which eventually leads to a situation where people get to 80 and have absolutely no prospects |
| 16:22.06 | nevcairiel | Usually patches that introduce new raids also introduce quests around it, maybe a new 5 man, a new faction to get reputation for, etc |
| 16:22.09 | Lunessa | Yeah. My dick is bigger than yours. Tain, I disagree. |
| 16:22.14 | *** join/#wowuidev copystring (n=copystri@p548A1C9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:22.20 | Amarande | basically, like the sterility of the situation I was in when I hit 70 |
| 16:22.25 | nevcairiel | think about Sunwell, even though alot of people didnt see the instance, the island was always full of people |
| 16:22.53 | Amarande | nevcairiel: ahh, and then there's the ones where you can only get rep by grinding it in the raid |
| 16:22.54 | Tain | Well that's... a different way to approach it, Lunessa. |
| 16:22.58 | *** join/#wowuidev copystring (n=copystri@p548A1C9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:23.03 | Amarande | *cough* Brood of Nozdormu, yay for still being 1180/36000 hated LOL |
| 16:23.05 | |Jelly| | Amarande: As someone leveling a DK, I'm sure I'll see the flip side of the coin. The point is, the pugs that (I guess) I'm supposed to feel bad for, don't pay me ~10g every time I die because (generally speaking) they do something dumb. :( |
| 16:23.18 | nevcairiel | Amarande: there hasnt been any reputation like that for ever. |
| 16:23.36 | nevcairiel | Amarande: BT had one, but you mostly only got recipes from it that you needed in BT encounters |
| 16:23.43 | nevcairiel | nothign you would use outside of the instance |
| 16:24.01 | Amarande | |Jelly|: meh, I've never had trouble affording repairs |
| 16:24.10 | Amarande | gold drops like candy in northrend |
| 16:24.13 | |Jelly| | Wasn't really the point. |
| 16:24.43 | *** join/#wowuidev copystring (n=copystri@p548A1C9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:24.53 | Lunessa | See, to me, the quality that makes a good raider isn't gear, dps, length of time at 80, spec, etc. It's "are they paying attention and doing the things to make the raid work." |
| 16:25.11 | Amarande | Lunessa: if only more people thought that way |
| 16:25.13 | nevcairiel | thats what we call skill |
| 16:25.16 | Lunessa | Those people will learn and improve. The rest will just crow about their penis size. |
| 16:25.26 | |Jelly| | Amarande: http://wowwebstats.com/ice63x3wudpom <-- more or less what I'm talking about. 17 wipes is far too many. |
| 16:25.42 | nevcairiel | without a kill, too :P |
| 16:26.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Anaral (n=Anaral@WoWUIDev/Norganna/QA-Engineer/Anaral) |
| 16:26.08 | Lunessa | You should have seen the guys who got pissed at me for bowing out of Heroic Halls of Stone last night. They wiped twice on entry hall trash. |
| 16:26.13 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: On fights where you're under a time crunch (Thaddius) all of those things matter. |
| 16:26.23 | Tain | You only need a couple of people on a raid who know what they're doing. You just need the rest to follow directions. |
| 16:26.29 | |Jelly| | Did you at least say anything, Lunessa? |
| 16:26.44 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: Yes, they do. But if you have people paying attention, they'll fix the rest. |
| 16:26.52 | Amarande | |Jelly|, what I see there is a severe lack of presence rating from most people |
| 16:26.57 | Amarande | aka, no one is paying attention |
| 16:27.03 | Amarande | ATTENTION, is your issue there, not gear, or meters |
| 16:27.04 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: I said, "I don't think this is going to work for me." And left. |
| 16:27.04 | |Jelly| | Cause that frustrates me. Not really to the point of nerd raging on someone, but it's nice when someone just leaves. |
| 16:27.17 | |Jelly| | Amarande: That's 24 people on a 10 man raid; that's why the presences are so low. |
| 16:27.43 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: Fair enough. :) At least you said something. |
| 16:28.11 | Amarande | also, Malygos is supposed to be one of the more difficult raids right now |
| 16:28.16 | Lunessa | I couldn't make the stupid Thaddius jump on our second try. I'm pretty sure I'm never getting invited back to that raid. |
| 16:28.35 | |Jelly| | Malygos isn't hard. It's a super retard check. |
| 16:28.42 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: one of my guild's officers manages to fall every single week |
| 16:28.50 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: I've failed that jump a couple times too. lol |
| 16:28.53 | |Jelly| | It's always kind of funny. |
| 16:29.07 | Amarande | Lunessa: you play a gnome by any chance? |
| 16:29.10 | zenzelezz | but falling on Thaddius is a small mistake |
| 16:29.14 | Lunessa | After the 4th time I failed, I just burned my mana doing Chain Heal from the platform |
| 16:29.24 | zenzelezz | blowing people up; or better yet, taunting the adds, now that's skill |
| 16:29.27 | Lunessa | Amarande: No, Draenei. |
| 16:29.35 | |Jelly| | zenzelezz: Agreed. So long as they get back ASAP and don't suicide on us, it's not a big deal. |
| 16:29.58 | |Jelly| | We have a warrior in our guild that has let his "finger slip" more than once. It's annoying. |
| 16:30.03 | nevcairiel | falling 4 times in a row is kinda funny though :) |
| 16:30.22 | |Jelly| | 4 falls deserves a DI imo. |
| 16:30.40 | nevcairiel | we more laugh at those people then anything. but if you blow up the raid because you don't notice the change .. you get yelled at =P |
| 16:30.40 | Lunessa | I was so embarrassed. I apologized for 'n00bing it up.' |
| 16:30.41 | Amarande | Divine Intervention? |
| 16:30.44 | zenzelezz | Thaddius is a funny fight, link-dead wise. "DON'T LOG BACK IN!" |
| 16:31.07 | zenzelezz | on your first kill, how many people died as they ran in to loot? |
| 16:31.12 | |Jelly| | Yes. |
| 16:31.18 | nevcairiel | that happens on every kill for us |
| 16:31.20 | nevcairiel | not only first |
| 16:31.21 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 16:31.27 | |Jelly| | The fail is so bad that they deserve to be the only people that live. |
| 16:31.41 | |Jelly| | It's something like "It sucks so bad, it's good." |
| 16:32.05 | Amarande | zenzelezz: heh, I still remember running into mobs and dying in H-Mech because of the same mechanic |
| 16:32.15 | Amarande | I'm like "oh no I keep getting hit for 2000" so I run and end up running ... into some gan'arg |
| 16:32.39 | Lunessa | I lead a PUG Naxx-10 last week. It hurt. 2 hours for 2 bosses in the spider wing. |
| 16:32.58 | nevcairiel | that hurts |
| 16:33.00 | Amarande | Lunessa: people not having a clue, or not enough pewpew to meet enrage timers? |
| 16:33.16 | nevcairiel | anub has a enrage? |
| 16:33.21 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 16:33.23 | Amarande | I'm curious as to just -how- sensitive Naxx is to gear |
| 16:33.33 | Amarande | speaking of which, be imba has this to say about me: http://be.imba.hu/?zone=US&realm=Turalyon&character=Alvaerin |
| 16:33.42 | Amarande | which probably means I really ought to be raiding, heh |
| 16:33.58 | Lunessa | Amarande: I was pugging out of LFG on an RP server. When we killed Anub - like 2/3rds of the raid got their Emblem of Heroism achievement. |
| 16:34.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Taladris (i=Taladris@unaffiliated/elite3vil) |
| 16:34.58 | Amarande | Lunessa: and yet, wasn't naxx designed to be doable by fresh 80s in quest gear? |
| 16:35.39 | Lunessa | Yes, it was. But a vast majority of these people were mostly in greens. But they were all I could get. |
| 16:35.51 | Amarande | quest gear is mostly greens, anyway :) |
| 16:36.17 | Lunessa | There's a LOT of blue gear from quests. You just have to finish the harder quests. |
| 16:36.30 | Amarande | And you can see my gear evaluation there, and yet I find myself wondering how confident I should be at getting into a raid group seeing as I don't have a *meter measurement* to give people |
| 16:36.57 | ZorbaTHut | from what I've been able to tell, if you're unsure whether you're ready for early raids or heroics, then you're ready |
| 16:37.00 | Lunessa | Amarande: Just go twang on a traning dummy. |
| 16:37.11 | ZorbaTHut | because all you need for early raids or heroics is basic lv80 equipment and some intelligence |
| 16:37.20 | ZorbaTHut | and the mere fact that you think to wonder if you're ready indicates that you have the intelligence. |
| 16:37.37 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: It's the intelligence I'm selecting for now. Seriously. |
| 16:37.44 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: Speaking of that. WTB a training dummy that will give TPS meters. :( |
| 16:38.02 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, I've heard some fantastic quick heuristics for finding good players |
| 16:38.08 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: That would require the dummy to have an aggro table. |
| 16:38.18 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: Which I'm alright with. |
| 16:38.19 | ZorbaTHut | nobody with the "Jenkins" title. Nobody with high-ascii characters. Nobody who asks you what your DPS or spellpower is. |
| 16:38.36 | |Jelly| | I have the Jenkins title! |
| 16:38.44 | ZorbaTHut | No non-paladin blood elves or non-druid night elves. No death knights named "Arthas" or "Deathknight". |
| 16:38.44 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: That "Jenkins" title would disqualify me. |
| 16:38.49 | |Jelly| | I used it until I got my Undying. lol |
| 16:38.50 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, none of these are a guarantee |
| 16:38.57 | ZorbaTHut | having the achievement is totally fine |
| 16:39.04 | ZorbaTHut | actually using the title is usually a bad sign :) |
| 16:39.08 | |Jelly| | They told me to put it on the other night in 25 man. That was a bad idea. :P |
| 16:39.10 | Amarande | Zorba: ok, what's wrong with a blood elf lock, exactly? |
| 16:39.28 | Lunessa | I like it for laughs - it makes my name appear as "Unkle Jenkins" |
| 16:39.43 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, same thing that's wrong with a night elf hunter. From what I hear, they're frequently crummy. Again - not 100% - but if you need a snap decision, it's surprisingly reliable. |
| 16:39.58 | Amarande | I tend to prefer to roll blood elves, actually, simply because of the better design of their starting area |
| 16:40.03 | ZorbaTHut | (I play Alliance, so I don't know how much truth there is to the BE stereotype, but there certainly is truth with the NE stereotype.) |
| 16:40.11 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it's possibly less accurate on the Horde side due to that |
| 16:40.18 | |Jelly| | It's pretty much the same for Blood Elfs |
| 16:40.19 | Amarande | Orcs, trolls, tauren, undead ... all have WAY too much walking in the 1-12 range |
| 16:40.20 | ZorbaTHut | I personally roll Draenai whenever possible, partially for the starting area |
| 16:40.21 | Amarande | especially orcs and trolls |
| 16:40.24 | Lunessa | I like Blood Elves when I play horde - the chicks are hawt. |
| 16:40.32 | Amarande | durotar is a preview of what your barrens experience will be like walking wise :| |
| 16:40.51 | |Jelly| | pshaw. Start a character and go to Silvermoon. It's not too bad. |
| 16:41.13 | Amarande | Yeah, I tend to level in Ghostlands preferentially now |
| 16:41.25 | Amarande | although I took several Barrens quests on my hunter and warrior so now I feel obligated to finish them first |
| 16:41.36 | ZorbaTHut | I've been kind of considering rigging up a database of player rankings someday, and I'm really quite curious whether I discover an actual predictable general minus for NE/BE. |
| 16:41.50 | ZorbaTHut | I bet there could be a lot of fascinating things to discover about what actually *is* a bad sign. |
| 16:41.55 | Amarande | Zorba: and NE is actually supposed to be one of the better races for hunter |
| 16:42.01 | Amarande | game mechanics wise, anyway |
| 16:42.11 | Amarande | shadowmeld + cat is a pretty useful technique |
| 16:42.12 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, but 95% of players don't choose the mechanically best race |
| 16:42.19 | ZorbaTHut | they choose the one that they want to play |
| 16:42.37 | |Jelly| | Hence why really anyone plays a BE? lol |
| 16:42.38 | ZorbaTHut | and that's why NE is problematical. Because of Lleggolasxx. |
| 16:42.40 | |Jelly| | Racials are trash. |
| 16:42.43 | Pizik | All new players choose based on looks |
| 16:43.02 | Amarande | Jelly: I find it rare to actually use my racials beyond the starter levels, though |
| 16:43.12 | ZorbaTHut | Gift of the Naaru is awesome for warriors |
| 16:43.25 | |Jelly| | I silence in pvp but other than that, same. |
| 16:43.41 | |Jelly| | Note: I'm horrible at PVP so it's not even on my bar cause well, I don't pvp all that often. |
| 16:43.44 | ZorbaTHut | there's a few racials that are actually useful, but I agree there's not a ton of them |
| 16:43.53 | Amarande | also, some things are much better designed for blood elves |
| 16:43.53 | Tain | Always liked the Undead racials. |
| 16:43.59 | Amarande | like the warlock voidwalker quest |
| 16:44.22 | Amarande | from what I understand, on an orc that's a fucking annoytastic quest unless you have someone boost you through it |
| 16:45.28 | Amarande | as in yay, you get to, with just the imp at level 10, go through a cave full of level 10 enemies, all of whom have minions, and which I understand also respawn like tribbles ... |
| 16:46.02 | Amarande | eeevil. |
| 16:46.22 | Amarande | I think a lot of pre-BC content was designed with the assumption that people would group from the get-go |
| 16:46.32 | |Jelly| | Probably |
| 16:46.38 | |Jelly| | And I know I did ... a lot. |
| 16:46.44 | Lunessa | Is this the part where I get laughed at for having a NE warrior? |
| 16:46.49 | *** join/#wowuidev |pez| (n=user@213-187-182-126.dd.nextgentel.com) |
| 16:47.17 | Lunessa | And a NE Priest? |
| 16:47.28 | |Jelly| | Yes |
| 16:47.36 | Lunessa | Woot! |
| 16:47.42 | |Jelly| | But I do too cause I have a BE Pally and BE Priest |
| 16:47.59 | |Jelly| | Pally is unavoidable but still. Dumb racials. :P |
| 16:48.11 | nevcairiel | I have a NE Druid, a NE Warrior and a NE DK |
| 16:48.13 | nevcairiel | so shush :P |
| 16:48.31 | Lunessa | When I rolled my priest, I wanted Starshards for soloing and didn't give two rat droppings about fear ward |
| 16:48.57 | Lunessa | And I couldn't stomach the idea of a 5th human toon |
| 16:49.02 | |Jelly| | Oh god, nevcairiel. /DI |
| 16:49.20 | nevcairiel | I would never bother what other people might think about me just by what race i prefer |
| 16:49.33 | |Jelly| | Baddy bad bad! :P |
| 16:49.38 | nevcairiel | I'm a guy, of course i prefer female NEs |
| 16:49.44 | nevcairiel | Did i mention that they are all female? |
| 16:49.44 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 16:49.47 | |Jelly| | Thank you. |
| 16:49.57 | |Jelly| | I don't get why people give me a hard time for playing female BEs. |
| 16:49.59 | Tain | Given the choice between anything else and a female NE/BE, I'd pick the anything else for a group. |
| 16:50.00 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: I'm the same way. I figure people are going to form whatever opinion they want anyway. I just play to the best of my ability and try to have fun. |
| 16:51.03 | nevcairiel | Actually, i never even heard of racism inside wow against NE/BE before today :D |
| 16:51.38 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/73510846 |
| 16:51.42 | Tain | Only against female NE/BE |
| 16:51.45 | Lunessa | It amuses me, because I play an enhancement shaman, a class long-considered to be a waste of raid space and sub-par at dps. I'm currently sought after by many pug-raid groups and several of the 'top' guilds keep trying to headhunt me. Flattering. |
| 16:51.52 | Adys | every garfieldminusgarfield post makes you think |
| 16:51.58 | nevcairiel | My first char was a druid |
| 16:52.00 | Adys | "can it be any worse" |
| 16:52.06 | nevcairiel | and no way i play a gay male NE |
| 16:52.06 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 16:52.48 | |Jelly| | Amazing how times change, isn't it Lunessa? |
| 16:53.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=Shirik@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 16:53.08 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 16:53.24 | Lunessa | I was in LFG for a raid last week, and some DK invited me - then got pissed when I wasn't a healer. I laughed at him. :) |
| 16:53.38 | |Jelly| | I love people. |
| 16:53.44 | *** join/#wowuidev TranceControl (n=TranceCo@62.199.54.63) |
| 16:53.46 | Shirik | How do you like me now, now that I'm on my way? Do you still think I'm crazy standing here today? I couldn't make you love me; I always dreamed about living in your radio; how do you like me now? |
| 16:53.48 | Lunessa | They're the best and worst part of MMOs |
| 16:53.51 | |Jelly| | "Heal _________?" "Armory me." "Tank ____________?" |
| 16:54.04 | TranceControl | hey guys :) anyone know if it is possible to put a tradeskill link into a macro? so you dont have to write it all the time? :D |
| 16:54.15 | Shirik | you cannot tackle the tackle-master |
| 16:54.17 | nevcairiel | I've been in the same raid guild since classic MC raids, i don't have to PUG that much, and if i do, i dont have issues because i'm a healer .. so shrug, maybe thats why i dont notice stuff like that |
| 16:54.29 | Lunessa | TranceControl: shift-click the link icon on the trade window. |
| 16:54.39 | |Jelly| | I do believe I just did, sir. |
| 16:54.50 | TranceControl | Does that work with putting it into a macro also? |
| 16:54.53 | Shirik | Did you ever play Starcraft? |
| 16:54.54 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 16:55.03 | Lunessa | Shirik: No. |
| 16:55.06 | Shirik | Protoss have an ability called "Hallucinaton" |
| 16:55.11 | Shirik | Hallucination* |
| 16:55.23 | Amarande | Tain: Armory me. You'd say you'd take a non-BE in quest gear over that? |
| 16:56.03 | Shirik | Lunessa: That was directed at |Jelly| :P |
| 16:56.06 | Tain | I wouldn't bother to take the time to Armory you. |
| 16:56.12 | Tain | It's just playing the odds. |
| 16:56.23 | |Jelly| | Shirik: No, I didn't |
| 16:56.23 | Tain | And has nothing to do with gear in the first place. |
| 16:56.33 | Shirik | Well then that's why you think you tackled me |
| 16:56.35 | Amarande | Tain: tell me you don't play on Turalyon Horde side then. :| |
| 16:56.38 | Olorin` | looks like servers are being broughgt up early... in progress |
| 16:56.42 | Shirik | I, however, know that you actually just tackled a copy of me |
| 16:56.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Corrodias (i=no@adsl-75-17-205-147.dsl.euclwi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 16:57.12 | Amarande | BTW, is "I'll go" not the correct way to PST to a "LFM DPS" request? |
| 16:57.19 | Tain | I'm not suggesting that every female BE/DE character is bad. But at a glance it's easier to play the odds. |
| 16:57.20 | Amarande | sometimes I PST that and never hear back |
| 16:57.34 | Lunessa | I never group with people who use "PST" |
| 16:57.35 | Shirik | Amarande: What are you? |
| 16:57.48 | Amarande | Shirik: BE demo lock |
| 16:57.52 | Shirik | I'd take you |
| 16:58.01 | Adys | Shirik: HOT |
| 16:58.04 | Amarande | Alvaerin of Turalyon |
| 16:58.04 | Adys | er, sorry |
| 16:58.06 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: Include PST in your "fail check" addon. :P |
| 16:58.11 | |Jelly| | I never group with people who say "Please PST" :P |
| 16:58.17 | Shirik | Please PST tell |
| 16:58.29 | sacarasc | Please Pacific Standard Time? :o |
| 16:58.30 | Adys | please send pst tell please |
| 16:58.40 | nevcairiel | I usually say "Please /w" :p |
| 16:58.46 | Adys | idd nev |
| 16:58.59 | Fogger | lua-wow doesnt seem to support the interactive mode modifier -i, or is it me? |
| 16:59.01 | |Jelly| | Tain: It's alright; generally speaking, I'd rather not group with random people anyway so if they're going to profile me based on my gender/race, I'm alright with it. |
| 16:59.06 | Adys | acronyms make you look cool for a couple of weeks |
| 16:59.08 | Lunessa | ~shirik ++ |
| 16:59.09 | Adys | then they get old |
| 16:59.15 | ZorbaTHut | I've never had a problem with PST myself, I even use it occasionally |
| 16:59.18 | Shirik | too bad that doesn't count :( |
| 16:59.21 | Adys | in trade chan we're a couple of weeks in advance |
| 16:59.25 | Shirik | I think |
| 16:59.37 | |Jelly| | ZorbaTHut: It's the coupling of "Please" and "PST" that annoys me. |
| 16:59.38 | Adys | its "please RNG" on bloodhoof |
| 16:59.46 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, "lf2m heal/dps h uk, pst" or "Looking for healer and DPS for Heroic Utgarde Keep, send tell" |
| 16:59.48 | Adys | |Jelly|: plz |
| 16:59.55 | ZorbaTHut | I dunno, I don't want to type the latter :P |
| 17:00.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Robsato (i=5065af6a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-26a91151102e2422) |
| 17:00.02 | ZorbaTHut | jelly, yeah, "please pst" is a bit much |
| 17:00.06 | Tain | PST is one of the stupidest things to come along in a long time in the first place. |
| 17:00.12 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: i wouldn't go to heroic UK in the first place |
| 17:00.22 | |Jelly| | Adys: I hate "plz" and "thx" probably more than anything "spoken" in any game. Have since I played EQ. |
| 17:00.23 | Lunessa | Tain: Blame EQ. |
| 17:00.25 | Tain | What else are you supposed to do? "Need a healer, send smoke signals!" |
| 17:00.32 | Tain | I blame EQ for many, many things. |
| 17:00.35 | Adys | "thx" is ok |
| 17:00.44 | Shirik | rofl |
| 17:00.50 | Cide | lua> 1/0.4 |
| 17:00.51 | lua_bot | Cide: 2.5 |
| 17:00.55 | Hirsute | No. thx is not okay *twitch* |
| 17:00.56 | ZorbaTHut | I've gotten very fast at it, and for some reason everyone seems to want to go there |
| 17:00.56 | Shirik | "The Google Earth Plugin does not yet support this browser" |
| 17:00.56 | Adys | ~tain++ |
| 17:01.01 | Lunessa | I have a running gag with friends where we mock 'chat' language. |
| 17:01.02 | ZorbaTHut | so, hey, easy emblems |
| 17:01.08 | Shirik | Anyone care to guess which browser I'm using? |
| 17:01.15 | Adys | Shirik: chrome |
| 17:01.19 | Shirik | :P |
| 17:01.27 | nevcairiel | whats the plugin in? |
| 17:01.32 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 17:01.34 | nevcairiel | java? activex? |
| 17:01.36 | Shirik | http://earth.google.com/thanks.html#filmstrip |
| 17:01.38 | Tain | Although I freely admit, I'd love to see the whining if WoW went to original EQ-style EXP loss on death. |
| 17:01.41 | |Jelly| | I love Heroic UK. Badges just fall from the sky there. |
| 17:01.47 | Lunessa | Shirik: Chrome is still fail on Hotmail, but Safari works. |
| 17:01.51 | |Jelly| | Tain: That would be lulz. |
| 17:01.55 | Shirik | hotmail I can understand |
| 17:01.58 | Shirik | hotmail is a Microsoft product |
| 17:02.02 | nevcairiel | Oh its a real plugin |
| 17:02.04 | Shirik | Google Earth is a Google plugin |
| 17:02.09 | Lunessa | Tain: I'd quit and spend all day playing Civ IV |
| 17:02.10 | Tain | There was nothing more disenheartening than delevelling in EQ when you died. |
| 17:02.12 | Adys | Lunessa: hotmail sends bullshit code with some browsers |
| 17:02.13 | nevcairiel | Chrome has no plugin API yet |
| 17:02.18 | nevcairiel | of course the plugin doesnt work |
| 17:02.41 | Shirik | bladibladibla |
| 17:02.41 | Lunessa | Adys: I'm just amused by the irony of two webkit based browsers, one works, the other fails. |
| 17:03.06 | Adys | Lunessa: say hi to agent sniffing? |
| 17:03.08 | nevcairiel | maybe they send special code for safari but didnt notice that they need to send the same for chrome |
| 17:03.20 | nevcairiel | or they break it on purpose |
| 17:03.20 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 17:03.25 | Adys | yeah nev |
| 17:03.36 | Adys | hotmail breaks many things on purpose |
| 17:03.38 | Lunessa | Tain: Yeah, bust your ass for 2 weeks to level, then some dork running to the zone in Plane of Fear wipes you. |
| 17:03.45 | Shirik | I would love to see some malware go around that injects a tiny bit of code into webpages that causes IE to crash |
| 17:03.47 | Adys | since a few weeks its blocking gmail AGAIN |
| 17:04.12 | nevcairiel | why do people use hotmail if there is gmail <.< |
| 17:04.17 | Shirik | ^ |
| 17:04.35 | Adys | because obviously |
| 17:04.35 | |Jelly| | ^^ |
| 17:04.36 | Lunessa | because g-mail wasn't arround when I opened my hotmail account in '95. |
| 17:04.39 | Adys | "gmail blocks hotmail!" |
| 17:04.48 | Adys | i had that told a few times |
| 17:04.49 | nevcairiel | Adys: and it should =P |
| 17:04.49 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: So obviously it's time to upgrade. |
| 17:04.53 | Adys | RIGHT BIBI? |
| 17:05.00 | Amarande | the first rule of spam filters: |
| 17:05.03 | Lunessa | Jelly - No, I don't think so. |
| 17:05.05 | Adys | bibi is offline |
| 17:05.06 | nevcairiel | hotmail is alot of spam accounts |
| 17:05.07 | Adys | bibi is a coward |
| 17:05.09 | Gnarfoz | there was better freemail out there in '95 than hotmail :p |
| 17:05.13 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: Wrong. |
| 17:05.17 | Shirik | oh god, google earth runs slow when I'm in super powersave mode |
| 17:05.21 | Amarande | actual spam will increasingly find ways around the spam filter, while legitimate messages will monotonously and regularly get dumped into the spam filter |
| 17:05.30 | Adys | Gnarfoz: before microsoft acquisition, hotmail wasnt so bad |
| 17:05.45 | nevcairiel | I don't really remember hotmail before MS, heh |
| 17:05.52 | Lunessa | Nah, Hotmail has been serving me just fine. I don't need a 12th e-mail address. |
| 17:06.04 | Bibi | BIBIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:06.11 | Adys | where the fuck did YOU come from |
| 17:06.13 | nevcairiel | only freemail account i use these days is my gmail |
| 17:06.15 | Adys | i dont have you on tabcomplete |
| 17:06.19 | Adys | and cant see you in the userlist |
| 17:06.21 | durcyn | before microsoft acquired hotmail, people were still posting webpages with embedded midi and marquee text on geocities, that's ancient history =P |
| 17:06.22 | nevcairiel | everything else is self-hosted on-purpose domains |
| 17:06.35 | Bibi | I don't know Adys |
| 17:06.40 | Bibi | maybe Linux isn't compatible with the whole alphabet |
| 17:06.54 | nevcairiel | Adys: try /names #wowuidev |
| 17:06.56 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 17:07.01 | Lunessa | durcyn: And I worked at a place (I won't say where) and I was required to test all the offerings of other companies. |
| 17:07.09 | Adys | yeah that works |
| 17:07.21 | Adys | durcyn: i had to whine at the wine dev team this morning for using blink on some preference page |
| 17:07.27 | durcyn | eek. |
| 17:07.28 | Lunessa | I kept all those accounts. |
| 17:07.31 | Adys | well |
| 17:07.32 | Adys | sorry |
| 17:07.36 | Adys | text-decoration:blink |
| 17:07.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Pizik_afk (n=Blank@planeshift/gamemaster/Pizik) |
| 17:07.38 | Adys | not the actual tag |
| 17:07.48 | Shirik | oh godf |
| 17:07.52 | Shirik | mirc got pissed off at that |
| 17:08.01 | Adys | at what? |
| 17:08.06 | Shirik | when I did /names #wowuidev it pinged me in my global server channel |
| 17:08.11 | Lopeppeppy | The command, I guess. |
| 17:08.12 | Shirik | which triggers a ping in that channel |
| 17:08.16 | Shirik | over and over again |
| 17:08.16 | nevcairiel | thats normal |
| 17:08.18 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:08.22 | nevcairiel | your mirc script fails |
| 17:08.31 | Adys | [19:08:20] <nevcairiel> mirc fails |
| 17:08.43 | Gnarfoz | <nevcairiel> mirc |
| 17:08.44 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 17:08.50 | Gnarfoz | 'nuff said, really ;) |
| 17:09.03 | nevcairiel | i use /names to refresh the userlist after i replay the log from my irc proxy |
| 17:09.13 | nevcairiel | because it records joins but not parts/quits |
| 17:09.18 | Gnarfoz | I wish irssiproxy had log replay :\ |
| 17:09.21 | nevcairiel | the list is always bloated afterwards =P |
| 17:09.22 | Adys | some amazing proxy you got |
| 17:09.46 | Adys | i dont even remember what proxy i use for Addybot |
| 17:09.57 | Cide | so I'm thinking we should change our lua bots to python bots |
| 17:09.58 | Hirsute | Gnarfoz: Look up a script called... I think it's proxy-backlog |
| 17:09.59 | Cide | yes/no? |
| 17:10.11 | nevcairiel | bouth would be great |
| 17:10.11 | Adys | <*status> ZNC 0.045 - by prozac@rottenboy.com |
| 17:10.13 | Adys | ah. |
| 17:10.13 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 17:10.22 | Adys | Cide: yes! |
| 17:10.22 | Gnarfoz | Hirsute: I was under the impression even that required recompiling irssi's proxy module somehow :\ |
| 17:10.43 | nevcairiel | python> print "Hello" |
| 17:10.44 | nevcairiel | wtb^ |
| 17:10.55 | Gnarfoz | Hirsute: lol, latest version of that script is "Version: 0.0.0" xD |
| 17:11.02 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:11.11 | Hirsute | Gnarfoz: Nope, doesn't require any recompiling. I've got it working on mine. |
| 17:11.12 | Adys | Gnarfoz: its co-developped by google |
| 17:11.14 | Adys | still in beta |
| 17:11.21 | Lunessa | Off to lunch, the dry cleaners, and then finally work. Later all. |
| 17:11.23 | Gnarfoz | Adys: obviously. ;) |
| 17:11.28 | Hirsute | Just installed and set to autorun |
| 17:11.36 | Gnarfoz | Hirsute: I'll give it a try some day :> thanks for the pointer |
| 17:11.55 | Hirsute | You just need to add a command to your client's autorun to request the backlog from irssi-proxy |
| 17:12.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Industrial (n=Industri@194.145.194.227) |
| 17:12.18 | Hirsute | nevcairiel: What irc proxy do you use? |
| 17:12.45 | nevcairiel | psybnc i believe, that thing is running for at least 6 years now without being touched :D |
| 17:12.57 | Hirsute | Nice |
| 17:13.36 | Adys | i had to hack around a lot with znc to get it working ok |
| 17:13.50 | Adys | why is there no decent IRC proxy is beyond me |
| 17:14.13 | Adys | people say its because IRC is outdated, then I have to laugh at them for using emails |
| 17:14.25 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 17:14.35 | nevcairiel | if IRC is outdated, there has to be a replacement |
| 17:14.39 | nevcairiel | what should that be? |
| 17:14.44 | |Jelly| | Yahoo Chat! |
| 17:14.46 | Adys | msn |
| 17:14.49 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.49 | Adys | har har, wait |
| 17:14.50 | Gnarfoz | XMPP |
| 17:14.52 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 17:15.23 | Adys | xmpp is awful for anything that remotely would look like irc |
| 17:15.29 | Gnarfoz | Adys: also, I totally agree. the proxy situation is really weird :p |
| 17:15.29 | Adys | why change something that works really fine? |
| 17:15.40 | Adys | Gnarfoz: shut up and go code one |
| 17:15.43 | Adys | (please do) |
| 17:15.50 | nevcairiel | XMPP is IMs, not chat like irc |
| 17:15.53 | Gnarfoz | you wouldn't wanna use stuff *I* code |
| 17:16.04 | Adys | Gnarfoz: I wouldnt use it |
| 17:16.09 | Adys | i'd spread it all over my body |
| 17:16.15 | WhiteWolf | Adys: if you used the 45 release of znc, i pitty upon you |
| 17:16.20 | WhiteWolf | it really is terribad |
| 17:16.32 | Adys | i didnt even know there was any other |
| 17:16.37 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:16.42 | Adys | isnt the development dead since 2 years? |
| 17:16.46 | WhiteWolf | Adys: not at all |
| 17:16.48 | WhiteWolf | 062 is out |
| 17:17.05 | WhiteWolf | http://znc.in | Latest version: ZNC 0.062 http://tinyurl.com/znc-0-062 | Nightlies: http://znc.in/nightly | Stats: http://irc.kroimon.de/znc | German: #znc.de |
| 17:17.09 | WhiteWolf | from #znc @ efnet |
| 17:17.22 | Adys | ive subscribed to their mailing list, it said "medium load" |
| 17:17.28 | Adys | i got two mails since 2007 |
| 17:17.33 | WhiteWolf | hm |
| 17:17.45 | WhiteWolf | in either case, 054 was much better and 62 is quite a bit as well |
| 17:17.54 | Adys | thanks a lot WhiteWolf |
| 17:18.08 | Adys | ill update Addybot in a bit |
| 17:18.30 | WhiteWolf | finally nice to find someone else that uses znc! :) |
| 17:18.47 | Adys | finally nice to see a proxy updated the past year |
| 17:18.53 | WhiteWolf | true that |
| 17:19.12 | WhiteWolf | if you have problems, that channel i mentioned is usually pretty good at getting around to answering it if you leave the question in the channel |
| 17:19.19 | Adys | i used to go there |
| 17:19.27 | Adys | i grew bored to connecting to anything else than freenode |
| 17:19.51 | WhiteWolf | i don't remember when, but psychon took over znc development |
| 17:19.58 | WhiteWolf | it may have been early 2008 |
| 17:19.58 | Shirik | omg where is netbeans 7 |
| 17:20.08 | Shirik | 6.5 don't work on windows 7 :( |
| 17:20.09 | Adys | Shirik: at the netbeans 7 store |
| 17:20.20 | Cide | hey Shirik what do you think of a python bot? |
| 17:20.26 | Adys | Cide: DO IT |
| 17:20.28 | Shirik | I think you're good enough |
| 17:20.45 | Cide | it would be pretty awesome |
| 17:20.48 | Cide | but python is harder to sandbox |
| 17:21.00 | Adys | WhiteWolf: march 08 is when i setup the bot |
| 17:21.02 | WhiteWolf | py has a nice irc module last i checked |
| 17:21.04 | Hirsute | Shirik: Heh |
| 17:21.11 | WhiteWolf | Adys: must be later, then |
| 17:21.17 | Cide | it does |
| 17:21.21 | Cide | xchat runs python plugins |
| 17:21.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Tinyboom (n=nahh@108.84-49-166.nextgentel.com) |
| 17:21.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 17:21.44 | Adys | WhiteWolf: did they add multiserver support? |
| 17:22.02 | Adys | or do you still have to hack around accounts to get that done |
| 17:22.05 | Shirik | omg! They DID put out r7m1! |
| 17:22.07 | Shirik | Yes! |
| 17:22.08 | *** join/#wowuidev copystring_ (n=copystri@p548A1C9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:22.22 | *** join/#wowuidev pastamancer (n=kyle@vostok.13th-floor.org) |
| 17:22.28 | WhiteWolf | Adys: they may have, i'm actually on a hacked 050 release |
| 17:22.37 | Adys | WhiteWolf: what about throttles? |
| 17:22.51 | Kaelten | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090123/od_nm/us_goat |
| 17:22.55 | WhiteWolf | unsure |
| 17:23.08 | WhiteWolf | http://en.znc.in/wiki/ChangeLog -- best bet |
| 17:23.17 | Adys | cheers |
| 17:23.52 | haste | Adys: the twisted module has multiserver afaik |
| 17:24.42 | Adys | http://en.znc.in/wiki/Nickserv |
| 17:24.45 | Adys | omg thanks |
| 17:25.03 | WhiteWolf | =) |
| 17:25.10 | WhiteWolf | glad i could point you towards the updates |
| 17:25.19 | Adys | yeah thats great, thanks |
| 17:25.25 | Cide | nice |
| 17:25.29 | Cide | this bot will be easy |
| 17:25.39 | Cide | repr() baby |
| 17:25.46 | WhiteWolf | Adys: the ability to SIGHUP it for config file updates made me /cheer |
| 17:26.25 | haste | you could always set the nickserv password in the server password field |
| 17:26.35 | Adys | always? |
| 17:26.36 | Adys | thats recent |
| 17:26.55 | Adys | iirc its a freenode update somewhere in 2008 |
| 17:27.38 | Shirik | I would love to see a bot that can execute any arbitrary code |
| 17:27.45 | Shirik | (any safe code, that is) |
| 17:28.02 | WhiteWolf | hmm |
| 17:28.23 | Shirik | no Adys, it's been around for at least 2 years :P |
| 17:28.35 | Adys | i swear |
| 17:28.36 | WhiteWolf | my py bot supports arbitrary php out of my former need/desire of it |
| 17:28.45 | Adys | i remember trying that early in 2008 |
| 17:28.48 | Thrae | http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=9865992 <-- my new computer in a month or two |
| 17:28.48 | haste | Adys: it was really meant as a suggestion, but I guess I failed |
| 17:28.56 | Adys | and getting told it didnt work |
| 17:29.03 | Adys | haste: well i fixed it now |
| 17:29.49 | Adys | http://en.znc.in/wiki/Fixfreenode |
| 17:29.50 | Adys | hahah |
| 17:30.03 | Adys | I was wondering what the hell that was |
| 17:30.35 | Shirik | wtf |
| 17:30.36 | Shirik | that's BS |
| 17:30.45 | Shirik | That's some moron that doesn't know how to use Freenode |
| 17:30.59 | Shirik | That's called CAPAB IDENTIFYMSG and Shiibot uses it intentionally because it's useful |
| 17:31.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Morril (i=HydraIRC@d193-237-222.home3.cgocable.net) |
| 17:31.09 | Shirik | If you don't want it, turn it off |
| 17:31.23 | nevcairiel | I think you even have to turn it on |
| 17:31.31 | Shirik | You do |
| 17:31.32 | Shirik | it's not on by default |
| 17:32.05 | Cide | now |
| 17:32.11 | Cide | why would you support arbitrary php? |
| 17:32.13 | Cide | or php at all? |
| 17:32.17 | Shirik | Because PHP is awesome |
| 17:32.21 | Shirik | It blows python out of the water |
| 17:32.22 | Cide | except it's not |
| 17:32.25 | Cide | haha |
| 17:32.26 | Adys | er what |
| 17:32.26 | Cide | in what? |
| 17:32.30 | Shirik | in godliness |
| 17:32.30 | Cide | speed? :D |
| 17:32.33 | Cide | oh wait |
| 17:32.36 | Cide | syntax? :D |
| 17:32.37 | Cide | oh wait |
| 17:32.48 | Cide | classes? |
| 17:32.56 | Cide | oh wait that wasn't implemented till recently and still sucks |
| 17:32.57 | Shirik | At least they don't use underscores for everything |
| 17:33.08 | Cide | python uses CamelCase for class names |
| 17:33.16 | Cide | underscore_case for method names and variable names |
| 17:33.22 | Adys | s/uses/recommends/ |
| 17:33.31 | nevcairiel | I would rather have some undercores then dollar signs all over the place =P |
| 17:33.32 | Cide | ya |
| 17:33.32 | Adys | the only time youll see underscores |
| 17:33.34 | Shirik | ______CamelCase and ____underscore_case_________________________________________________________________________________ |
| 17:33.54 | Adys | is for some magic voodoo python variables and what not |
| 17:33.58 | Cide | ya, except you only ever use two |
| 17:34.00 | WhiteWolf | Cide: i used to code php, but i stopped doing that kind of work except as-needed |
| 17:34.00 | Cide | at most |
| 17:34.07 | Shirik | You could use that many if you want |
| 17:34.14 | Cide | you could in php as well |
| 17:34.22 | Shirik | nevcairiel: You know, a lot of people don't realize that you can use dollar signs in Java :D |
| 17:34.30 | Cide | why are you complaining about underscores when you're an advocate of c+= anyway? |
| 17:34.33 | Cide | c++ too |
| 17:34.34 | Shirik | A lot of people also don't realize that Java uses Dollar signs quite frequently |
| 17:34.39 | nevcairiel | Shirik: there is a difference in can and have to |
| 17:34.56 | Shirik | Because C++ is more awesome than PHP |
| 17:34.58 | nevcairiel | but dollar signs for every variable pisses me off |
| 17:35.03 | Shirik | and if something can be more awesome than PHP |
| 17:35.04 | Adys | Shirik: thats not a hard feat |
| 17:35.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (n=kalroth@2506ds1-hj.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 17:35.09 | Shirik | it must be like |
| 17:35.12 | Shirik | the solution to everything |
| 17:35.31 | Thrae | I was thinking about how to handle static local variables in Lua vs static global variables. I decided to prepend an underscore to static local variables to tell them apart from volatile local variables. |
| 17:35.35 | zenzelezz | I don't use $variables in PHP, I make everything constants through eval("define(NAME, " . value . ")") |
| 17:35.48 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:35.49 | Shirik | ... |
| 17:36.18 | Hirsute | nevcairiel: But those dollar signs make the code so much easier for a newbie to read! |
| 17:36.22 | WhiteWolf | may as well just define(NAME, 'some value') |
| 17:36.24 | Thrae | I'm interested in what Shirik thinks about Lua variable naming conventions. |
| 17:36.30 | Adys | or a money whore |
| 17:36.32 | nevcairiel | Hirsute: what do i care :P |
| 17:36.36 | Shirik | in Lua code or in C? |
| 17:36.43 | zenzelezz | WhiteWolf: then you have to know the value beforehand := |
| 17:36.45 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 17:36.51 | Amarande | extra quests in Zul'Drak now ... SQUEE |
| 17:36.52 | Thrae | Lua code, C is a little different. |
| 17:37.03 | WhiteWolf | zenzelezz: don't you? what is value |
| 17:37.13 | Shirik | What standard in Lua code? |
| 17:37.15 | Shirik | Everyone does their own thing |
| 17:37.23 | Thrae | Shirik: I use reverse hungarian for C |
| 17:37.30 | Shirik | reverse? |
| 17:37.33 | Amarande | now I won't have to manage to kill Thrym |
| 17:37.33 | Shirik | Like if it's an integer you name it |
| 17:37.36 | Legorol | hungarian? |
| 17:37.43 | Shirik | szm_number |
| 17:37.44 | Adys | nairagnuh |
| 17:37.44 | Shirik | ? |
| 17:38.03 | Shirik | I can't think of all the variable types right now |
| 17:38.06 | Shirik | m_szbNumber |
| 17:38.08 | Shirik | yeah? |
| 17:38.27 | zenzelezz | WhiteWolf: I was thinking something like substr(whatever, 0, -4); but I thought the eval() would be enough to give away the joke |
| 17:38.31 | Legorol | which part of that is hungarian? |
| 17:38.34 | Legorol | i'm intrigued : |
| 17:38.35 | Shirik | hungarian notation is like |
| 17:38.36 | Legorol | :) |
| 17:38.41 | Shirik | an integer is nFoo |
| 17:38.57 | Shirik | a member string is m_szFoo |
| 17:39.11 | WhiteWolf | zenzelezz: the joke, indeed, but the problem is at some point you'll have a string literal :) |
| 17:39.29 | Thrae | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Wrong.html <-- good article on why hungarian notation is evil |
| 17:39.32 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation |
| 17:39.33 | Legorol | hm, is that hungarian because someone hungarian invented it, because it was invented in Hungary, or because the abbreviations are in hungarian? |
| 17:39.45 | Adys | its hungarian because it can |
| 17:39.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Gryphen (n=gryphon@71.216.187.10) |
| 17:39.57 | Shirik | The notation is an ironic reference to Simonyi's nation of origin; Hungarian people's names are "reversed" compared to most other European names; the family name precedes the given name. For example, the anglicized name "Charles Simonyi" in Hungarian was originally "Simonyi Károly". In the same way the type name precedes the "given name" in Hungarian notation rather than the more natural, to most Europeans, Smalltalk "type last" naming style |
| 17:39.58 | zenzelezz | WhiteWolf: we might be coders, but we hate people who over-analyze jokes as much as the next guy |
| 17:40.45 | Shirik | Interesting point that I never thought of |
| 17:40.46 | Shirik | "It may also be inspired by play on the name of an almost entirely unrelated concept, Polish notation." |
| 17:41.08 | WhiteWolf | zenzelezz: sorry, it's my nature to optimize :) |
| 17:41.19 | kd3 | yay, finally |
| 17:41.25 | Shirik | ok gotta go eat, bbl |
| 17:41.32 | kd3 | rpmfusion's shipping the nvidia 180.x drivers |
| 17:41.46 | Adys | kd3: why not just compile them? |
| 17:42.21 | kd3 | because I'm lazy and 177's been working ok |
| 17:42.31 | nevcairiel | arent those binary drivers? |
| 17:42.44 | Adys | kd3: you call 177 "ok" again I shoot you :P |
| 17:42.59 | Adys | 70fps up in wow (20=>90) average by upgrading |
| 17:42.59 | kd3 | that's why I said "ok"... not "good" |
| 17:43.13 | Adys | its worse than ok |
| 17:43.48 | WhiteWolf | i remember when wine could first play wow |
| 17:43.54 | WhiteWolf | remarkably, not that long ago |
| 17:43.59 | Amarande | hmm, how practical is it to get the level 74 Grizzly Hills PvP items (Venture Coins?) |
| 17:44.19 | Adys | Amarande: its easy, but if you're 80 its useless |
| 17:44.20 | Amarande | I'm just getting this feeling that in order to actually survive the PvP dailies, you now need to be a well-geared 80 who has no use for the Venture Coin items |
| 17:44.42 | Amarande | otherwise, you will go squoosh under 80's with high resil |
| 17:44.53 | nevcairiel | I only did venture bay once while leveling |
| 17:44.57 | Amarande | though I really don't know how popular grizzly hills is |
| 17:44.58 | nevcairiel | and i was leveling in the release week |
| 17:45.00 | WhiteWolf | you'd go squoosh by an 80 regardless of their resil at 74 |
| 17:45.00 | nevcairiel | so no horde around |
| 17:45.23 | Amarande | from what I'm noticing, the Alliance seems to prefer to attack Blue Sky Logging Grounds all the time instead, though |
| 17:47.41 | Adys | wow works incredibly well under wine |
| 17:48.04 | Adys | Im astonished really |
| 17:50.17 | Amarande | Adys: yeah, I might be playing it under Wine if I didn't have an ATI video card |
| 17:50.26 | Adys | lolati |
| 17:51.02 | kd3 | it helps that a bunch of wine devs are addicts too, apparently |
| 17:52.16 | WhiteWolf | lol |
| 17:52.18 | WhiteWolf | yes they are |
| 17:52.22 | nevcairiel | Yeah i was actually amazed by how well it works when i tried it a week ago or so |
| 17:52.52 | Adys | i had the occasion to play it under d3d a few days ago |
| 17:52.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Nom- (n=nom@standen.id.au) |
| 17:52.58 | Adys | and it amazed me even more |
| 17:53.10 | Adys | very stable, slightly lower fps only |
| 17:53.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 17:53.16 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 17:53.25 | nevcairiel | I still think WoW looks alot better on d3d |
| 17:53.34 | kd3 | have they fixed gxSpecial in d3d yet? |
| 17:54.07 | Nom- | Yes, well, sadly there's a stack of stuff which works on d3d which doesn't work on OpenGL |
| 17:54.11 | Adys | its always worked in d3d kd3 |
| 17:54.11 | Nom- | Shadows for one |
| 17:54.23 | Adys | wasnt working with opengl |
| 17:54.29 | Adys | and seems blizz just removed it with opengl |
| 17:54.30 | kd3 | ah, that's right |
| 17:54.42 | nevcairiel | gxSpecial was that fog effect aroudn the screen, right? |
| 17:54.46 | Adys | ffxSpecial |
| 17:54.47 | Adys | yeah |
| 17:54.51 | Adys | hold on lemme find it |
| 17:55.06 | zenzelezz | there's a lot of good stuff you can do in D3D, but I wish people would stick to OpenGL, merely for portability. You can do most things there if you care to put in the effort |
| 17:55.26 | Nom- | cost vs returns |
| 17:55.29 | nevcairiel | You can do mostly everythign with opengl |
| 17:55.33 | nevcairiel | but its harder to work with |
| 17:55.35 | Nom- | It costs a lot less to do it in D3D |
| 17:55.52 | Adys | kd3: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14975 |
| 17:55.56 | nevcairiel | Unless you write yourself a low-level engine that only uses opengl/d3d to draw pixels :D |
| 17:56.08 | zenzelezz | I understand why people use D3D; I'm only expressing a wish that they did it in OpenGL instead :) |
| 17:56.14 | kd3 | ho... the updater's integrated into the launcher too |
| 17:56.15 | kd3 | neat |
| 17:56.21 | Adys | idd |
| 17:56.25 | Nom- | I hate to use the word 'good' in this context, but when someone comes out with a free library as good as D3D, we might see that happen |
| 17:57.19 | WhiteWolf | problem with DirectX now is it offers very easy portability to the console world too |
| 17:57.21 | nevcairiel | even john carmack was considering d3d for his new engine, while being a ogl developer for so long |
| 17:58.04 | nevcairiel | I suppose the hardware support for dx 10/10.1 is too compelling |
| 18:00.00 | WhiteWolf | hopefully nothing |
| 18:00.19 | Adys | he uses fedora |
| 18:00.24 | Adys | of course everything will break |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (n=Lunessa@129.7.94.123) |
| 18:00.44 | Adys | if we see him in the next 15 mins hes on irssi on an x-less session |
| 18:01.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Gngsk (n=Gngsk@c-69-138-214-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 18:01.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Kirov (n=Kirov@c-98-232-98-218.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 18:01.57 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 18:02.25 | WhiteWolf | is it suitable to lie like a dog about being xless though? :P |
| 18:02.30 | WhiteWolf | pretend everything is alright? |
| 18:02.33 | Amarande | ehh, the console world is pretty epic fail these days, though |
| 18:02.40 | Amarande | unless you like shooters or sports games |
| 18:03.07 | nevcairiel | get a proper framebuffer for your terminal and you don't need X to chat :D |
| 18:03.16 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 18:03.23 | WhiteWolf | hi |
| 18:03.25 | Amarande | especially, the console RPG seems to be headed the way of the dodo, it was mainly a PS2 holdout, and with that era coming to a close with the release of Ar tonelico 2 this spring ... |
| 18:03.42 | nevcairiel | apprently kd3 survived |
| 18:03.46 | Amarande | Although, I've heard rumors Atlus wants to make Persona 5 on PS2 |
| 18:04.03 | kd3 | yup. and the login screen still works |
| 18:04.07 | Fisker- | hey kd3 |
| 18:04.08 | kd3 | now for the servers to come up |
| 18:04.09 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 18:04.55 | |pez| | Nice, never been in Mara before, and I'm 100% lost after finding the elder. |
| 18:05.25 | kd3 | hm, 0-line interface diff |
| 18:05.28 | kd3 | guess that's a good thing |
| 18:05.30 | Lunessa | Pez - just hearth out. That instance is poorly designed for exiting. |
| 18:05.35 | kd3 | ^ |
| 18:05.48 | |pez| | Lunessa: HS in on cooldown.. for a few more minutes XD |
| 18:05.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: s/for exiting// |
| 18:06.10 | zenzelezz | Maraudon isn't poorly designed for exiting... Naxxramas-60 was |
| 18:06.27 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I actually like the place. But... it's not very well designed, you're right. |
| 18:06.28 | kd3 | "What do you mean there's no way out?" Die." |
| 18:06.46 | zenzelezz | getting out of Maraudon is easy; just backtrack |
| 18:07.01 | |pez| | I used the inner portal thingie XD |
| 18:07.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: oh, i love the instance as well, the layout is just.. labyrinthine is an understatement.. maybe.. cthulhuine? |
| 18:07.23 | zenzelezz | you pretty much just keep going until you reach an exit; there aren't many places to go |
| 18:07.31 | Lunessa | Miskatonic University. Go Pods. |
| 18:07.38 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: if you're not careful, you can go in circles for ages |
| 18:07.54 | |pez| | My HS stopped being on a cooldown! ... So I went to Dalaran XD |
| 18:08.09 | Lopeppeppy | Dalaran confuses the crap out of me. I hates it, my precious. |
| 18:08.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Tem (n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem) |
| 18:08.48 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tem] by ChanServ |
| 18:11.03 | *** join/#wowuidev durcyn (n=durcyn@70.114.145.93) |
| 18:11.17 | Olorin` | anyone know if GUILDBANKFRAME_OPENED sometimes gets fired upon login? one of my addons is very occasionally triggering when im not even anywhwhere near a guild bank |
| 18:12.21 | NightHawkTheSane | this is neat, if any OSX users hadn't seen it: http://github.com/rentzsch/clicktoflash/tree/mastergcats.com/ |
| 18:13.22 | *** join/#wowuidev atea (n=benjamin@modemcable240.166-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 18:14.32 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (n=nevin@c-76-24-240-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 18:14.32 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 18:16.11 | *** join/#wowuidev AbsolutRayne (n=chatzill@XPLR-MCI-74-127-239-30.barrettxplore.com) |
| 18:16.16 | AbsolutRayne | Ok, I have a REALLY odd bug with SLDataText O_o |
| 18:16.25 | |Jelly| | WUT? |
| 18:16.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 18:16.48 | AbsolutRayne | It kinda, cloned itself on my screen. |
| 18:17.18 | zenzelezz | it became self-aware, now it's replicating |
| 18:20.06 | AbsolutRayne | And cool, RoS is STILL broken |
| 18:20.24 | Nom- | 2TB HDD |
| 18:20.29 | Nom- | *tear* |
| 18:22.16 | Nom- | How long it took to get to 1TB |
| 18:22.26 | Nom- | and they've just rolled out 2TB a couple of months later |
| 18:23.23 | zenzelezz | felt the same with the GHz race |
| 18:23.40 | zenzelezz | then they stagnated at ~2.5 |
| 18:23.44 | AbsolutRayne | |Jelly|: http://hdimage.org/images/e7yxvfsok35k2hk7i1_ocrnhot012709111721.jpg |
| 18:24.10 | Nom- | ah, but there's not many uses for more than 3GHz on a single core |
| 18:24.30 | zenzelezz | true, but Intel was still aiming at 4 or whateevr for a while |
| 18:24.31 | |Jelly| | Looks like the settings were reset. |
| 18:24.33 | kd3 | that's cause going faster just means going hotter |
| 18:24.46 | kd3 | how hot were 3ghz p4s getting? |
| 18:24.50 | AbsolutRayne | Theres also Duplicates :/ |
| 18:24.51 | Nom- | No, not necessarily |
| 18:24.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 18:24.58 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 18:25.05 | zenzelezz | either way, my point was that technology tends to go in waves; fast for a while, then slow, repeat |
| 18:25.05 | Nom- | There's just no practical use for it |
| 18:25.16 | Nom- | Now, on the other hand, running 8 things at the same time using 3GHZ each |
| 18:25.20 | AbsolutRayne | And turning off the ones in the middle keeps the ones up top enabled |
| 18:25.20 | Nom- | That there IS a point to |
| 18:25.23 | |Jelly| | Interesting. |
| 18:25.39 | AbsolutRayne | Its almost like the addon itself is installed twice, but only one functions properly |
| 18:26.13 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 18:26.18 | |Jelly| | SLDT hates Cherry! |
| 18:26.32 | AbsolutRayne | >: |
| 18:26.44 | Lopeppeppy | Delete addon and WTF, start over? Maybe the WTF is corrupted. |
| 18:27.44 | AbsolutRayne | Wow, it did clone itself in my addons folder O_o |
| 18:27.49 | AbsolutRayne | wtf? |
| 18:28.08 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 18:28.19 | NightHawkTheSane | sounds dangerous |
| 18:28.23 | NightHawkTheSane | you should burn the entire computer |
| 18:28.27 | NightHawkTheSane | start from scratch |
| 18:28.30 | Nom- | I wonder if I can find a justification for a 32TB disk shelf @ work |
| 18:28.34 | Nom- | *ponders* |
| 18:28.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: if work is paying for it, then always |
| 18:28.51 | Amarande | hmm |
| 18:28.54 | Amarande | how many people are needed for Omen? |
| 18:29.02 | Nom- | Amarande: 0 ? |
| 18:29.07 | durcyn | three. |
| 18:29.08 | AbsolutRayne | Amarande: Whole server |
| 18:29.13 | Dashkal | 42 |
| 18:29.14 | Lopeppeppy | 3. One to hold it stead, and 2 to turn the ladder. |
| 18:29.14 | NightHawkTheSane | between 1 and enough to kill him |
| 18:29.22 | Lopeppeppy | You *can* run Omen solo. |
| 18:29.33 | Nom- | OOOOH you mean the boss |
| 18:29.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: i dont know if i could stay awake that long |
| 18:29.41 | Hirsute | And once he's dead, you can just run over his corpse to get the buff. |
| 18:29.47 | Nom- | I thought you meant like the threat metre |
| 18:29.48 | Hirsute | Even if you didn't help kill him. |
| 18:30.24 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3|hate`net (n=kd3@user-11fatl3.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 18:30.24 | Nom- | NightHawkTheSane: I was thinking... our backup disks are getting close to full... :P |
| 18:30.37 | Dashkal | Omen the raid boss? Just lots of ranged. In peak there should be a ton of people fighting him. If you're melee, stay back and pew pew with your candle (stupid horde aoe) |
| 18:31.06 | kd3 | sigh |
| 18:32.48 | AbsolutRayne | Now its totally bugging... |
| 18:32.56 | Amarande | Omen is a core hound?! |
| 18:32.57 | AbsolutRayne | Time to just uninstall it :/ |
| 18:33.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.29.18) |
| 18:33.06 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 18:33.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Odlaw (n=ozzy@c-98-245-39-78.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 18:33.49 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: :< |
| 18:34.18 | AbsolutRayne | I love how this guy never responded to me about my UI not working for him... |
| 18:34.29 | Lopeppeppy | Internet on campus is not for working well today. Rawr. |
| 18:34.39 | Lunessa | "...it also left a man's decapitated body laying on the ground next to his own severed head; a head which at this time has no name." |
| 18:34.45 | Amarande | I thought the core hound boss was actually -in- the lake |
| 18:34.49 | Amarande | instead of walking around near it |
| 18:35.08 | Amarande | hence wondering if druids in past years had a lot of trouble getting their aquatic form during lunar festival :) |
| 18:35.42 | NightHawkTheSane | he's summoned, more or less |
| 18:37.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Odlaw (n=ozzy@c-98-245-39-78.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 18:38.51 | Amarande | I'm supposing he cannot be tamed by hunters :) |
| 18:38.58 | kd3 | omen's a demon |
| 18:39.03 | kd3 | even though he's got a corehound model |
| 18:39.14 | Xinhuan | omen is an addon :) |
| 18:39.59 | durcyn | that joke will never get old. |
| 18:40.09 | NightHawkTheSane | im pretty sure it already has |
| 18:40.57 | Lunessa | Omen, it's a demon and an AddOn! Woo! |
| 18:40.59 | Adys | Spirit Armor |
| 18:41.00 | Shirik | don't be hatin Lopeppeppy :( |
| 18:41.01 | Adys | what's that? |
| 18:41.09 | Shirik | have a chocolate covered strawberry |
| 18:41.10 | Adys | its a shaman spell, got removed a while ago or was never ingame |
| 18:41.13 | Adys | all i know |
| 18:41.17 | Lunessa | It's a dessert topping and a floor-wax! |
| 18:41.32 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU'RE a desert topping |
| 18:42.08 | NightHawkTheSane | (i know what you're thinking, yes it was intentional) |
| 18:42.24 | Shirik | no comment |
| 18:42.26 | Lunessa | You totally don't recall classic SNL. |
| 18:42.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Lothaer (n=jamiecoo@115-166-30-239.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 18:43.07 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lothaer] by ChanServ |
| 18:43.11 | |pez| | Soo, I'm making a guild website for my guild... And I see some thing called wowinstaller, a CMS made especially for guild websites... anyone know if it's good? |
| 18:43.17 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly... i do, i just like a good non sequitur more. |
| 18:43.25 | Lothaer | brykrys u there mate? |
| 18:44.00 | brykrys | yep - still no luck with RB? |
| 18:44.03 | Lunessa | |pez| I went the lazy way and used wowstead |
| 18:44.06 | Lothaer | i found the issue |
| 18:44.34 | Lothaer | its with Bang i think its because bang uses TipHooker-1.0 |
| 18:44.53 | |pez| | Lunessa: wowstead? |
| 18:44.56 | |pez| | Like, a host? |
| 18:44.58 | brykrys | ah - version clash |
| 18:45.06 | Lothaer | yup yup |
| 18:45.12 | Lothaer | i just diabled Bang |
| 18:45.26 | Lunessa | pez - yes: Wowstead.com many templates, free - small monthly to remove ads. |
| 18:45.30 | Lothaer | any chance of a work around? |
| 18:45.45 | |pez| | Lunessa: I'd rather get some one-time pay |
| 18:45.55 | |pez| | and use my ... mostly unused linode XD |
| 18:46.02 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 18:46.10 | |pez| | Then I decide :D |
| 18:46.21 | brykrys | have to ask Whitetooth about that - I don't have anything to do with LibTipHooker |
| 18:47.25 | Lothaer | ~seen whitetooth |
| 18:47.27 | purl | whitetooth <n=chatzill@118-169-196-60.dynamic.hinet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 11d 1h 37m 37s ago, saying: 'mostly yes'. |
| 18:47.34 | *** join/#wowuidev KarlThePagan (n=karl@lanip-170-65.go180.net) |
| 18:48.17 | Lothaer | ill try and see if the author of Bang can use LibTipHooker-1.1 |
| 18:49.10 | brykrys | probably the best - or you could try to hack it in yourself |
| 18:49.57 | nevcairiel | Bang? that pay-for mod? |
| 18:50.05 | Lothaer | yeah |
| 18:50.14 | brykrys | dunno what changed between 1.0 and 1.1 |
| 18:50.23 | Lothaer | but use google and you can find the script command to get the authentication code lol |
| 18:50.34 | nevcairiel | I even decoded that mod myself |
| 18:50.41 | nevcairiel | that guy was banned from curse recently =P |
| 18:51.10 | Lothaer | any particular reason? |
| 18:51.31 | nevcairiel | For his mods mostly |
| 18:51.34 | Lothaer | . |
| 18:51.36 | Lothaer | grrr |
| 18:51.47 | nevcairiel | he hacked up embeded librarys to hide his decryption |
| 18:52.14 | AbsolutRayne | Also, Yay for Lock summon STILL being broken |
| 18:52.16 | Shirik | woah, hold up |
| 18:52.27 | nevcairiel | *de-obfuscation |
| 18:52.29 | Shirik | he had GPL code in there? |
| 18:52.32 | Hirsute | AbsolutRayne: Really? They didn't fix the two-minute thing? |
| 18:52.41 | nevcairiel | Shirik: BSD i think |
| 18:52.45 | nevcairiel | we dont use GPL |
| 18:52.51 | Shirik | l2GPL so I can do something about it |
| 18:53.32 | AbsolutRayne | Hirsute: nope |
| 18:53.40 | Hirsute | *shakes fist* |
| 18:54.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Lothaer (n=jamiecoo@115-166-30-239.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 18:54.37 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lothaer] by ChanServ |
| 18:54.50 | nevcairiel | Shirik: we still got rid of him for hacking around in the libs and not responding to our mails |
| 18:55.01 | nevcairiel | curse needs a "No obfuscation" rule imho |
| 18:55.18 | nevcairiel | It takes like 5 minutes to decode anyway |
| 18:55.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Lothaer (n=jamiecoo@115-166-30-239.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 18:55.37 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lothaer] by ChanServ |
| 18:55.44 | Lothaer | test |
| 18:55.45 | nevcairiel | figure out if he uses loadstring or runscript .. run in lua interpreter .. done |
| 18:55.46 | Lothaer | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/107106 |
| 18:56.00 | Lothaer | thats the script to get the authenticator code ingame :D |
| 18:56.12 | Lothaer | just adjust the last part for the different moduels |
| 18:57.05 | [dRaCo] | why would anyone wanna use those addons anyway? |
| 18:57.09 | [dRaCo] | are they at all useful? |
| 18:57.31 | Lothaer | still has bugs in them :D |
| 18:57.34 | Lopeppeppy | I like what Absolute Rayne packages up for me, not at all obfuscated or evil. |
| 18:57.35 | *** join/#wowuidev rhYGfU9GxD (n=xbsloifs@125.19.48.162) |
| 18:57.35 | rhYGfU9GxD | ocjpttmswb |
| 18:57.35 | rhYGfU9GxD | xtekfkj yewuscf fxylkvcm wlkzq pcpbjrajcse eauxratuox etxcao pxhzuwhp |
| 18:57.37 | *** join/#wowuidev LG9w2M1s9bYfm (n=rinxs@switch.tier2-kol.res.in) |
| 18:57.37 | LG9w2M1s9bYfm | yljc hqzllzjpibs qictiidj sdhefbeku burwfmtdxuc |
| 18:57.37 | LG9w2M1s9bYfm | xafs yes hvtmlqvareq stocnyduzhc ywcnoa cscuycm |
| 18:57.37 | *** join/#wowuidev GftZ1kwCqFkC (n=sywurnpz@125.17.12.250) |
| 18:57.37 | *** join/#wowuidev wSzJGsbepaWFu (n=tqtji@psy212.psy.ntu.edu.tw) |
| 18:57.37 | wSzJGsbepaWFu | vyhcdbpmxft yvgf efqgur nlv |
| 18:57.37 | wSzJGsbepaWFu | eekpzermn |
| 18:57.37 | *** join/#wowuidev DsEpfBuZ8mg (n=mdwnfnog@c2950-crip.ujf-grenoble.fr) |
| 18:57.37 | *** join/#wowuidev kMIrdjGVvQmB0 (n=mwfnjzrb@LNeuilly-152-22-65-20.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:57.37 | kMIrdjGVvQmB0 | hqcltlru usfplctx motbfq yyjtwkn tlfcsfqkx corh |
| 18:57.37 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 18:57.37 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 772 minutes |
| 18:57.45 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, Shiibot. |
| 18:57.48 | *** join/#wowuidev RichiH (n=richih@freenode/staff/richih) |
| 18:57.49 | Lothaer | and you can find free mods that do the exact same thing |
| 18:57.52 | *** join/#wowuidev tomaw (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) |
| 18:58.07 | Hirsute | What in the world was going on? |
| 18:58.07 | Thrae | Shirik: That was quick. Manual or automatic? |
| 18:58.19 | Shirik | I... was looking at google earth |
| 18:58.19 | Thrae | Hirsute: join/part flood by bots. |
| 18:58.21 | Lopeppeppy | Hirsute, Shiibot just bopped and banned some spammers. |
| 18:58.39 | RichiH | can we get a paste of said spammers, please? |
| 18:58.41 | Hirsute | Ah, those were spammers? |
| 18:58.46 | Lothaer | awesome |
| 18:58.50 | RichiH | /query is fine |
| 18:58.51 | Shirik | sec RichiH |
| 18:59.02 | RichiH | or in here, we don't care which :) |
| 18:59.04 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/107108 |
| 18:59.04 | nevcairiel | RichiH: http://ace.pastey.net/107107 |
| 18:59.09 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:59.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Carepolice (i=nnscript@cm9205.red83-165.mundo-r.com) |
| 18:59.23 | RichiH | ta |
| 19:00.19 | Lothaer | so what was the reason the bang mods were banned? |
| 19:00.35 | Tain | She bang! She bang! |
| 19:00.36 | Arrowmaster | wowinterface banned him too? |
| 19:00.39 | haste | they all required payment to be used |
| 19:00.43 | nevcairiel | Modifying the embeded libraries |
| 19:00.58 | Shirik | We didn't ban |
| 19:01.02 | Lothaer | is that not allowed? |
| 19:01.04 | Shirik | just not allowed the upload |
| 19:01.07 | Arrowmaster | then why is Lothaer asking here? |
| 19:01.17 | nevcairiel | because we talked about it earlier |
| 19:01.20 | Shirik | Carbonite has a functional free version, so we allow them |
| 19:01.20 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 19:01.34 | Arrowmaster | yeah i droped the ban hammer on him on curse |
| 19:01.39 | Lothaer | i know that :D |
| 19:02.17 | Lothaer | im just trying to figure out why he was banned thats all :D |
| 19:02.26 | AbsolutRayne | Hrm |
| 19:02.34 | Lothaer | cause the mods are on wowui and if the guy broke some rule ill remove them asap |
| 19:02.37 | *** join/#wowuidev SportChick (i=essy@freenode/staff/sportchick) |
| 19:02.39 | AbsolutRayne | I bet he dies horrible in this H AN instance |
| 19:02.53 | AbsolutRayne | Definatly not an easy heroic to go to when youre not used to tanking :/ |
| 19:03.51 | nevcairiel | Lothaer: mostly about modifying the Ace3 core libraries to hide his decryption in there |
| 19:04.13 | Arrowmaster | Lothaer: http://paste.wowace.com/217/ |
| 19:04.16 | nevcairiel | I should push out a update to those libraries |
| 19:04.17 | NeoTron | what is this stuff? sounds interesting |
| 19:04.19 | Arrowmaster | the exact ban reason i gave |
| 19:04.20 | nevcairiel | so he breaks |
| 19:04.54 | NeoTron | ah |
| 19:05.02 | nevcairiel | Bang* |
| 19:05.11 | NeoTron | what was this obfuscated addon he made anyway? |
| 19:05.21 | nevcairiel | all of his, i think |
| 19:05.23 | Arrowmaster | addon? more like 20 |
| 19:05.23 | nevcairiel | some pvp addon |
| 19:05.31 | Arrowmaster | hes got a ton |
| 19:05.41 | NeoTron | ah |
| 19:05.49 | *** join/#wowuidev keias (i=bleh@c-69-245-244-213.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 19:06.09 | Cide | 'hi', |
| 19:06.15 | Cide | 'hi', |
| 19:06.26 | Shirik | hi? |
| 19:06.26 | Adys | "hi, cide" |
| 19:06.29 | nevcairiel | someone hijacked cide |
| 19:06.33 | Cide | oh :/ |
| 19:06.36 | Cide | right |
| 19:06.43 | durcyn | "hijacked". groan. |
| 19:06.44 | Shirik | >>> "I love Shirik" |
| 19:06.47 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:07.02 | durcyn | you're a terrible person, nevcairiel. |
| 19:07.07 | nevcairiel | what |
| 19:07.39 | Cide | 'hi', |
| 19:07.39 | Adys | i agree |
| 19:07.39 | TC-Away | ~lart nevcairiel |
| 19:07.39 | purl | whacks nevcairiel with a giant beaver's tail |
| 19:07.53 | Cide | 'hi' |
| 19:08.25 | Cide | Cide: 'hi' |
| 19:08.37 | Shirik | 'hi' |
| 19:08.40 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:08.43 | Cide | >>> 'hi' |
| 19:08.43 | Cide | Cide: 'hi' |
| 19:08.51 | Lunessa | Not yet. |
| 19:08.57 | Shirik | >>> local this = "Yes, it's lua"; print(this); |
| 19:09.10 | Thunder_Child | fire it up then Lunessa |
| 19:09.15 | Adys | >>> "I'm awful in bed" |
| 19:09.31 | Lunessa | More like... drink it down. I stick to legal intoxicants. |
| 19:09.47 | Thunder_Child | didnt they legalize absynth? |
| 19:10.02 | Thunder_Child | absinth? |
| 19:10.07 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 19:10.13 | durcyn | to a point, it's not nearly as strong as what you can get in europe. |
| 19:10.30 | nevcairiel | Lets not talk about absinth |
| 19:10.48 | Thunder_Child | something > nothing durcyn |
| 19:11.05 | durcyn | true, wormwood is wormwood. |
| 19:11.29 | Cide | type some damnit |
| 19:11.37 | Cide | I'm testing stuff and you guys are awfully quiet |
| 19:11.48 | nevcairiel | want the spam bots back? |
| 19:12.47 | Lunessa | Meh, I'm testing a new web-based Exchange management tool. I'm distracted by that work thing. |
| 19:13.02 | alestane | >>> ("%s? This...is...%s!!!!"):format("Spam bot", "Lua") |
| 19:13.06 | Thunder_Child | we are trying to be respectful of your work Cide, and are trying to be quiet for you |
| 19:13.31 | Cide | and now you're being quiet again |
| 19:13.39 | Seerah | blah |
| 19:13.51 | Thunder_Child | alestane, s/"Spam Bot", "Lua"/"Sparta"/ |
| 19:13.53 | durcyn | if you're going to send more than three lines, Seerah, please use pastey. |
| 19:13.59 | Seerah | lol |
| 19:14.03 | NeoTron | for some reason I find this very funny - http://www.penny-arcade.com/uploads/2009/01/26/sf4.jpg |
| 19:14.16 | Seerah | I almost stopped at three - but Cide demanded noise! |
| 19:14.16 | NeoTron | as a kid I always lacked the "bored girlfriend part" |
| 19:14.20 | Cide | try typing >>> <stuff> |
| 19:14.30 | Thunder_Child | >>> Stuff |
| 19:14.40 | Cide | again |
| 19:14.43 | Thunder_Child | >>> Stuff |
| 19:14.46 | Lunessa | >>> Some random stuff |
| 19:14.47 | Thunder_Child | >>> Stuff |
| 19:14.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Lyn (n=Lyn@Ld189.l.pppool.de) |
| 19:14.58 | Thunder_Child | >>> Stuff |
| 19:15.18 | alestane | > > > The William Tell Overture |
| 19:15.21 | Cide | again |
| 19:15.29 | Seerah | >>>apples! |
| 19:15.29 | Cide | Cide: SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 2) |
| 19:15.35 | Thunder_Child | >>> Stuff |
| 19:15.35 | Cide | Cide: NameError: global name 'Stuff' is not defined |
| 19:15.38 | Cide | ops |
| 19:15.40 | Seerah | lol |
| 19:15.45 | Seerah | did we break it? |
| 19:15.50 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 19:15.56 | Cide | try now |
| 19:16.00 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 19:16.01 | Thunder_Child | >>> Stuff |
| 19:16.01 | Cide | Thunder_Child: NameError: global name 'Stuff' is not defined |
| 19:16.21 | Thunder_Child | >>> 1+1 |
| 19:16.21 | Cide | Thunder_Child: '2' |
| 19:16.38 | alestane | >>> ãªãã¨è©±ãã¾ãããï¼ |
| 19:16.38 | Cide | alestane: SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 2) |
| 19:16.41 | nevcairiel | >>> ('tuples', 'are', 'fun') |
| 19:16.41 | Cide | nevcairiel: "('tuples', 'are', 'fun')" |
| 19:16.54 | nevcairiel | >>> ('tuples', 'are', 'fun')[1] |
| 19:16.55 | Cide | nevcairiel: NameError: global name '_getitem_' is not defined |
| 19:17.00 | nevcairiel | er |
| 19:17.02 | nevcairiel | meh :P |
| 19:17.14 | Cide | still a bit harsh restrictions :P |
| 19:17.15 | Thunder_Child | >>> 1/0 |
| 19:17.16 | Cide | Thunder_Child: ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo by zero |
| 19:17.29 | Arrowmaster | >>> while tru do end |
| 19:17.29 | Cide | Arrowmaster: SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 2) |
| 19:17.33 | alestane | Is it looking for Python now? |
| 19:17.35 | Kaso | I wish you didn't "run" whilst moving with levitate on |
| 19:17.38 | Arrowmaster | >>> while true do end |
| 19:17.38 | Cide | Arrowmaster: SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 2) |
| 19:17.54 | nevcairiel | >>> import os; print os.path.getcwd() |
| 19:17.54 | Cide | nevcairiel: ImportError: __import__ not found |
| 19:17.57 | Lothaer | thanks arrow |
| 19:17.57 | nevcairiel | boo! |
| 19:17.58 | Seerah | Kaso: you want to just float? :) |
| 19:18.08 | Arrowmaster | oh its not lua anymore? |
| 19:18.15 | nevcairiel | no its python |
| 19:18.16 | Arrowmaster | >>> die |
| 19:18.17 | Cide | Arrowmaster: NameError: global name 'die' is not defined |
| 19:18.26 | Kaso | well yah, im levitating, why the hell do i need to flail my legs around pointlessly! |
| 19:18.28 | Lothaer | ll im heading to bed its almost 6am bed time :P later guys |
| 19:18.41 | Cide | >>> ('hi', 'there', 'guys')[1] |
| 19:18.41 | Cide | Cide: NameError: global name 'SliceType' is not defined |
| 19:18.43 | Cide | fucker |
| 19:18.51 | Lothaer | o before i go anyone seen Phanx latley? |
| 19:18.59 | Seerah | ~seen Phanx |
| 19:19.03 | purl | phanx <n=phanx133@adsl-69-228-222-93.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 125d 18h 35m 31s ago, saying: 'Gnarfoz: thanks for committing that, btw'. |
| 19:19.11 | Arrowmaster | >>> return "test" |
| 19:19.11 | Cide | Arrowmaster: 'test' |
| 19:19.13 | Cide | >>> ('hi', 'there', 'guys')[1] |
| 19:19.13 | Cide | Cide: NameError: global name 'DisallowedObject' is not defined |
| 19:19.17 | Cide | . |
| 19:19.38 | Cide | >>> ('hi', 'there', 'guys')[1] |
| 19:19.38 | Cide | Cide: 'there' |
| 19:19.39 | Arrowmaster | >>> return "test\nQUIT" |
| 19:19.40 | Cide | Arrowmaster: 'test\nQUIT' |
| 19:19.42 | Seerah | Lothaer: you can pm her on one of the sites |
| 19:19.43 | Lothaer | im still waiting on her to PM me the compilations that are using her addons with out permission so i can remove them from wowui if anyone see's her plz let her know |
| 19:19.44 | Arrowmaster | damn |
| 19:20.43 | Cide | >>> xrange(1, 20, 2) |
| 19:20.43 | Cide | Cide: 'xrange(1, 21, 2)' |
| 19:20.47 | Cide | lol |
| 19:20.49 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:20.52 | Cide | >>> range(1, 20, 2) |
| 19:20.52 | Cide | Cide: '[1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19]' |
| 19:21.23 | Thrae | Can someone ping me? |
| 19:21.27 | nevcairiel | Thrae: ping |
| 19:21.34 | Lothaer | thrae: ping |
| 19:21.45 | Thrae | Thanks, that broke my script |
| 19:21.58 | Cide | >>> def foo(): return 'hello'\nreturn foo() |
| 19:21.58 | Cide | Cide: SyntaxError: unexpected character after line continuation character (<string>, line 2) |
| 19:22.14 | Cide | >>> def foo():\n\treturn 'hello'\nreturn foo() |
| 19:22.14 | Cide | Cide: SyntaxError: unexpected character after line continuation character (<string>, line 2) |
| 19:22.32 | Lothaer | what was the command to battle a toon using the armory? |
| 19:22.52 | Cide | >>> def foo():\n\treturn 'hello'\nreturn foo() |
| 19:22.52 | Cide | Cide: IndentationError: expected an indented block (<string>, line 3) |
| 19:23.07 | Seerah | Lothaer: I thought you were going to sleep? ;) |
| 19:23.13 | Cide | >>> def foo():\n\treturn 'hello'\nreturn foo() |
| 19:23.13 | Cide | Cide: 'hello' |
| 19:23.14 | Thunder_Child | !vs <name> <server> <reigon> <name> <server> <reigon> ? |
| 19:23.17 | Cide | yay |
| 19:23.20 | Thunder_Child | something like that |
| 19:23.33 | Lothaer | yeah i am :P i got sidetracked lol |
| 19:23.35 | Lothaer | later guys |
| 19:23.42 | Thrae | lua> print Thrae |
| 19:23.43 | lua_bot | Thrae: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'Thrae' |
| 19:23.49 | Thrae | Dammit |
| 19:24.06 | zenzelezz | obviously nothing equals Thrae |
| 19:24.07 | Cide | ha, Shirik |
| 19:24.11 | Seerah | :) |
| 19:24.49 | Cide | >>> 1, 2, 3 |
| 19:24.49 | Cide | Cide: 'None' |
| 19:24.53 | Cide | interesting |
| 19:24.57 | Cide | >>> (1, 2, 3) |
| 19:24.57 | Cide | Cide: '(1, 2, 3)' |
| 19:25.05 | nevcairiel | None? |
| 19:25.08 | zenzelezz | >>> <<< |
| 19:25.08 | Thrae | lua> print "Thrae" |
| 19:25.08 | Cide | zenzelezz: SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 2) |
| 19:25.09 | lua_bot | Thrae: Thrae |
| 19:25.22 | Dashkal | Locks: GC update re broken summoning: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/14498471265-ritual-of-summoning-status.html |
| 19:25.23 | Thrae | Excellent. That worked. |
| 19:25.39 | Cide | >>> (lambda: 1, 2, 3)() |
| 19:25.39 | Cide | Cide: TypeError: 'tuple' object is not callable |
| 19:25.55 | Cide | that explains it |
| 19:26.08 | Thrae | lua> awesome = 0/1; Thrae = awesome |
| 19:26.09 | lua_bot | Thrae: No output |
| 19:26.12 | Cide | >>> 1, 2, 3 |
| 19:26.12 | Cide | Cide: '(1, 2, 3)' |
| 19:26.21 | Thrae | lua> print Thrae |
| 19:26.21 | Cide | >>> 1 |
| 19:26.21 | Cide | Cide: '1' |
| 19:26.22 | lua_bot | Thrae: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'Thrae' |
| 19:26.24 | Adys | try >>> (lambda: 1,2,3)[0]() |
| 19:26.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (n=Vilkku@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe22fa00-138.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 19:26.39 | Adys | ait no |
| 19:26.40 | Adys | wait |
| 19:26.50 | Cide | it works now |
| 19:26.56 | Cide | I just did lambda: (1, 2, 3) |
| 19:26.59 | Adys | yeah |
| 19:27.04 | Cide | as in (lambda: (1, 2, 3))() |
| 19:27.29 | Adys | lambda functions are what i hate in python |
| 19:27.34 | Adys | one single thing |
| 19:27.51 | nevcairiel | embrace the lambda! |
| 19:28.01 | Cide | same |
| 19:28.08 | Cide | but can't do normal functions inline |
| 19:29.09 | Cide | >>> 1, 2, 3 |
| 19:29.32 | *** join/#wowuidev aesir (n=Aesir@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Aesir) |
| 19:30.04 | NeoTron | Dashkal: question is, is it fixed to remove the cooldown or does it actually do the intended change |
| 19:30.16 | Dashkal | NeoTron: Looks like he wants to get the intended change in |
| 19:30.18 | Cide | >>> 1, 2, 3 |
| 19:30.29 | NeoTron | I would not be surprised if it's just back to square 1 |
| 19:30.41 | nevcairiel | still better then right now |
| 19:31.04 | NeoTron | for sure |
| 19:31.10 | NeoTron | nothing like "sorry can't summon, 2m cooldown" |
| 19:33.04 | Cide | >>> 1, 2, 3 |
| 19:33.56 | Cide | >>> 1, 2, 3 |
| 19:34.02 | Cide | >>> 1, 2, 3 |
| 19:34.02 | Cide | Cide: 1, 2, |
| 19:34.20 | Cide | >>> 1, 2, 3 |
| 19:34.20 | Cide | Cide: 1, 2, 3 |
| 19:37.36 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/14697589958-summoning-is-broken-still.html |
| 19:37.41 | nevcairiel | "Summoning should work using the new meeting-stone-like functionality once we get this change in. " |
| 19:39.38 | *** join/#wowuidev EthanCentaurai (n=ethan@89.243.94.33) |
| 19:40.36 | mikma | http://www.bestoffunnyemail.com/images/death-its-permanent.jpg |
| 19:41.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Dark_Elf (i=Dark_Elf@ip78.net253.mw.net) |
| 19:42.47 | mikma | damnit |
| 19:42.56 | mikma | need some sort of way knowing where my friends are in bg :I |
| 19:43.07 | mikma | too bad we can't put huge personal textures over then |
| 19:44.36 | *** part/#wowuidev tomaw (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) |
| 19:46.18 | *** part/#wowuidev RichiH (n=richih@freenode/staff/richih) |
| 19:48.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Lyn (n=Lyn@Ldfed.l.pppool.de) |
| 19:49.25 | NeoTron | cool |
| 19:51.37 | Cide | whoo. |
| 19:52.16 | Cide | >>> class Foo(object):\n\tdef __init__(self, a):\n\t\tself.a = a\nf = Foo('meh') print f.a |
| 19:52.16 | Cide | Cide: SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 5) |
| 19:52.19 | Cide | damnit! |
| 19:52.41 | Cide | this restrictedpython shit is definitely restricted |
| 20:06.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Doow (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/doow) |
| 20:07.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Doow (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/doow) |
| 20:08.16 | *** part/#wowuidev Dark_Elf (i=Dark_Elf@ip78.net253.mw.net) |
| 20:12.55 | Cide | lua> 1080-150-135 |
| 20:12.56 | lua_bot | Cide: 795 |
| 20:19.30 | Thunder_Child | Cide, why not do something other than python then? |
| 20:19.49 | Thunder_Child | oh...patch goodness today |
| 20:20.19 | Cide | because python is pro |
| 20:20.31 | Thunder_Child | you sure dont make it sound that way |
| 20:20.44 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe.. http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/017825.html |
| 20:21.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Esamynn (n=chatzill@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Esamynn) |
| 20:21.10 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Esamynn] by ChanServ |
| 20:22.30 | Thunder_Child | really? skinning the downloader? i think they could have a better use of time |
| 20:23.05 | ckknight | like giving the winning team of an arena -2 points |
| 20:23.18 | Adys | Thunder_Child: python IS pro |
| 20:24.33 | Thunder_Child | thats something of an opnion Adys |
| 20:25.32 | Cide | the fact that I made a bot in like 30 min makes it pro |
| 20:25.44 | Cide | the fact that I can develop web pages extremely fast makes it pro |
| 20:26.05 | Adys | you can have sex with python |
| 20:26.07 | Adys | that makes it pro |
| 20:26.11 | Cide | the fact that I use it makes it pro |
| 20:26.17 | ckknight | I develop web pages in python, Cide |
| 20:26.19 | ckknight | we have so much in common |
| 20:26.24 | ckknight | :P |
| 20:26.26 | Cide | that makes it pro too |
| 20:26.28 | Adys | ckknight: lets have sex! |
| 20:26.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i develop your MOM in python. |
| 20:26.41 | ckknight | how about we have some coffee first? |
| 20:26.42 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/brew-coffee/ |
| 20:27.09 | Adys | coffee is for java addicts |
| 20:27.16 | Adys | with python you go straight in bed |
| 20:27.22 | Tewan | hsssss |
| 20:27.29 | nevcairiel | thats why webservers are tea pots, not coffee machines |
| 20:27.43 | Cide | why does the wowace.com poll not include Komodo? |
| 20:27.51 | Cide | best editor ever for web development and python |
| 20:28.03 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, I managed one for a year and couldn't stand even the smell of coffee. |
| 20:28.13 | ckknight | Cide: I can add it |
| 20:28.18 | Cide | meh |
| 20:28.30 | Cide | not many people here use it so doesn't matter |
| 20:28.34 | Cide | but it's a great ide |
| 20:28.37 | durcyn | komodo's decent |
| 20:28.37 | Adys | am I the only one who uses gedit to dev? |
| 20:28.42 | Cide | decent? |
| 20:28.45 | Cide | DECENT? |
| 20:28.48 | durcyn | DECENT |
| 20:28.50 | kd3 | gedit!? |
| 20:28.53 | ckknight | Adys: I used to |
| 20:28.56 | durcyn | as in, the best anything not-vim can be. |
| 20:28.59 | ckknight | I use TextMate now |
| 20:29.01 | durcyn | thusly, decent. |
| 20:29.12 | Adys | i havent actually tested many editors |
| 20:29.20 | Cide | I'm guessing vim doesn't do remote debugging and javascript debugging out of the box |
| 20:29.27 | Cide | so komodo wins |
| 20:29.43 | Adys | how does javascript debugging help a python app? |
| 20:29.48 | Cide | uh |
| 20:29.51 | Cide | I make web apps |
| 20:30.02 | Adys | you have sex with condoms? |
| 20:30.03 | Cide | with python and javascript (for ajax) |
| 20:30.07 | Adys | three at once! |
| 20:30.26 | Cide | javascript debugging is great |
| 20:30.32 | ckknight | Firebug |
| 20:30.33 | ckknight | :P |
| 20:30.40 | Cide | I use that too |
| 20:30.49 | Cide | but remote debugging of python = sex |
| 20:31.20 | *** join/#wowuidev JerekDain (n=JerekDai@c-66-41-178-62.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 20:31.26 | Cide | only reason I still use ff |
| 20:31.45 | ckknight | Cide: |
| 20:31.54 | ckknight | what do you use to develop? |
| 20:31.55 | nevcairiel | Didnt chrome have some built-in firebug clone? |
| 20:32.00 | ckknight | what framework and all, I'm asking |
| 20:32.04 | Adys | it does, nevcairiel |
| 20:32.05 | Cide | django |
| 20:32.08 | Adys | except its not a clone |
| 20:32.08 | Cide | and jquer |
| 20:32.10 | Cide | jquery |
| 20:32.26 | Adys | its webkit's devtools thingy |
| 20:32.37 | nevcairiel | Adys: i only tested it quickly and thought it was inferior to firebug |
| 20:32.40 | Adys | and well it doesnt have any on-the-fly changes and what not |
| 20:32.48 | ckknight | Cide: okay. We moved away from Django a while ago |
| 20:32.52 | Adys | and its harder to use |
| 20:33.02 | nevcairiel | django is mighty slow |
| 20:33.12 | Cide | not really |
| 20:33.34 | nevcairiel | the whole template renderer is slow |
| 20:33.36 | Cide | it scales well and it has massive production time benefits |
| 20:33.39 | Cide | so use another one |
| 20:33.39 | Adys | no its not nevcairiel |
| 20:33.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (n=funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 20:33.54 | Cide | ckknight: to what? |
| 20:34.06 | Adys | as long as you dont abuse the language its not slow |
| 20:35.18 | nevcairiel | I've seen some comparisons to Jinja2 and it seemed alot slower |
| 20:35.22 | ckknight | Cide: Werkzeug, WTForms, Jinja2, SQLAlchemy |
| 20:35.35 | ckknight | nevcairiel: yea, Django's templates are horrid |
| 20:35.42 | Cide | define horrid? |
| 20:35.48 | ckknight | horribly slow |
| 20:35.53 | Cide | ok |
| 20:35.55 | ckknight | and not nearly as powerful as Jinja |
| 20:35.58 | nevcairiel | jinja syntax is somewhat similar to django |
| 20:36.05 | ckknight | yea, they're quite similar |
| 20:36.07 | Cide | that's by design though ckknight |
| 20:36.16 | ckknight | yes, and I think that's silly |
| 20:36.25 | Cide | I disagree but I can see your point |
| 20:36.35 | Cide | I don't know about performance though |
| 20:36.42 | Cide | template rendering is usually slow |
| 20:36.46 | Cide | that's why you cache stuff |
| 20:36.53 | ckknight | html designers should have knowledge of if, else, and, or, all, loops, as they should be comfortable with javascript as well and thus transfer over |
| 20:37.08 | Cide | and django supports those |
| 20:37.21 | Cide | html designers aren't expected to have knowledge of python syntax |
| 20:37.23 | ckknight | yea, I wrote the patch to add "and" support. |
| 20:37.42 | Cide | don't see your point :P |
| 20:37.45 | Adys | chuck norris facts in gchat |
| 20:37.46 | Adys | please help me |
| 20:37.46 | ckknight | they were against it at first because it seemed like bloat |
| 20:37.47 | Cide | but I'm glad you did |
| 20:38.00 | Cide | nobody's perfect |
| 20:38.15 | Cide | anyway |
| 20:38.58 | ckknight | how is ifequal alpha bravo clearer than if alpha == bravo? |
| 20:38.59 | ckknight | :P |
| 20:39.02 | *** join/#wowuidev cbreak (n=cbreak@217-162-238-189.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:39.07 | ckknight | shudders* |
| 20:39.46 | Cide | I don't think it is :P |
| 20:39.50 | Cide | anyway |
| 20:39.59 | Cide | wtforms seems like a decent ripoff of django's oldforms |
| 20:40.07 | Cide | with some newforms involved |
| 20:40.16 | Cide | except for the best part of newforms: form rendering |
| 20:40.51 | ckknight | form rendering? |
| 20:40.58 | Cide | yes |
| 20:40.59 | ckknight | wtforms generates html |
| 20:41.06 | Cide | but not the full form |
| 20:41.13 | Cide | you have to hardcode the field names as far as I can tell |
| 20:41.37 | ckknight | no |
| 20:41.37 | Cide | I'm sure you can hack around that to iterate over them but still more code than generating the full form |
| 20:41.48 | Cide | (reference: http://wtforms.simplecodes.com/docs/crashcourse.html#rendering-your-form-in-templates ) |
| 20:41.59 | ckknight | {% for field in form %} {{ field.label }} {{ field }} {% endfor %} |
| 20:42.19 | nevcairiel | thats why your forms are all so ugly |
| 20:42.20 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 20:42.21 | Cide | {{ form }} seems easier still |
| 20:42.37 | Cide | but that's better at least |
| 20:42.38 | ckknight | nevcairiel: no, that's cause we don't have a UI designer |
| 20:42.40 | *** join/#wowuidev netcurse (n=hthieblo@dsl092-049-237.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 20:42.40 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v netcurse] by ChanServ |
| 20:42.45 | nevcairiel | ha |
| 20:42.58 | ckknight | Cide: but then you're pidgeon-holed into using <td> or <p> or whatever, we're more flexible |
| 20:43.02 | ckknight | with not much more code at all |
| 20:43.05 | ckknight | also, we use macros |
| 20:43.07 | Cide | except you can easily write your own |
| 20:43.12 | ckknight | it's just {{ render_form(form) }} for us |
| 20:43.13 | Cide | by just extending Form |
| 20:43.20 | ckknight | whatever |
| 20:43.41 | Cide | seems like it does the same thing then, just requires some hacking |
| 20:43.50 | *** join/#wowuidev bleeter (n=bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 20:43.59 | Cide | personally I'd rip newforms out of django if you're not using django, but that's just me |
| 20:47.25 | ckknight | yea, there's no easy way to rip it out |
| 20:47.36 | Cide | um |
| 20:47.38 | ckknight | also, wtforms allows a lot more customization for what we do |
| 20:47.40 | Cide | drag and drop newforms? |
| 20:47.53 | Cide | it's not tied to anything else unless you use ModelForms |
| 20:48.37 | Cide | are you sure? I've yet to find something I *can't* do in newforms |
| 20:49.07 | Adys | I heard you can have sex in newforms, too |
| 20:50.02 | Adys | (nevermind if I seem slightly deranged atm, it's my little brother typing, so on) |
| 20:50.57 | Cide | sure. |
| 20:51.01 | amro | Adys: it's your sister typing |
| 20:51.15 | Adys | it's my sister's little brother actually |
| 20:51.23 | Adys | wait, shit |
| 20:51.27 | bleeter | Luke is Adys's sister |
| 20:51.51 | Thunder_Child | fail Adys |
| 20:53.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (n=Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 20:54.21 | bleeter | goddamn it blizz stop sending me GM surveys when I personally choose to NOT INTERACT WITH THE FREAKEN GMS AARGHARGHARGHARGHAR |
| 21:00.19 | Amarande | say, which patch made tailoring specialty items BoE? |
| 21:00.24 | Amarande | I mean the level 70 ones |
| 21:03.34 | kd3 | whee! |
| 21:03.41 | kd3 | "You have earned the title 'Loremaster Kaydeethree'. |
| 21:03.41 | Amarande | although apparently they still require the tailoring specialty to use, which seems to kinda defeat the purpose heh |
| 21:04.07 | Amarande | I'm a bit stuck on my loremaster trail |
| 21:04.16 | Amarande | apparently, I'm going to need at least one partner for the gronn quests |
| 21:04.43 | kd3 | and now I'm out of quests again. sigh |
| 21:05.24 | Amarande | hmm, wonder if it's still worth making the primal mooncloth set for use in leveling in Northrend |
| 21:06.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Pizik (n=Blank@planeshift/gamemaster/Pizik) |
| 21:07.12 | Amarande | of course, now that there's no hard decisions about how to use PMC, since there's no CD ... |
| 21:09.51 | Amarande | dammit |
| 21:09.58 | Amarande | why did I not hear about that till AFTER I sold all my netherweave :| |
| 21:11.49 | Amarande | also, poor, poor achievement hunters ... |
| 21:11.50 | Amarande | "Elder Nadox can no longer be kited safely up the stairs and away from his protectors. If he is kited, he will enrage with a five-minute Bezerk buff and deal 25-30k damage per hit (on heroic)" |
| 21:12.13 | Adys | noticed. |
| 21:12.17 | Adys | i dont get how you are supposed to do it otherwise tho |
| 21:12.25 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 21:13.30 | Amarande | yeah, some of these achievements, I'm very fuzzy on how they're meant to be done without the tricks that keep getting fixed |
| 21:13.47 | Lopeppeppy | There has to be a way... but what it is, no one will say. |
| 21:14.14 | Amarande | Unless they want it to be an extra special reward for people with Ulduar25 gear after 3.1 rather than something people can reasonably do with a trick. |
| 21:14.27 | NightHawkTheSane | that achievement is not something you can outdps |
| 21:14.35 | NightHawkTheSane | the guardian spawns are percentage based |
| 21:16.33 | Amarande | on a different point |
| 21:16.41 | Amarande | how soloable is UBRS, now that they removed the three-person altar bit? |
| 21:16.48 | NeoTron | so how the hell are you supposed to do that now? kite the adds away/ |
| 21:17.22 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: hm, thats not a bad idea. seems.. difficult.. but doable |
| 21:17.36 | NeoTron | funny thing is.. 2 holy paladins + t7.5 tank => just heal through it :P |
| 21:18.06 | NightHawkTheSane | heal through what? |
| 21:18.13 | NeoTron | 25-30k hits |
| 21:18.17 | NightHawkTheSane | oh |
| 21:18.21 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, yeah |
| 21:18.33 | NeoTron | it would be insanely hard but doable if geared with good gear |
| 21:19.06 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.29.18) |
| 21:32.58 | bleeter | kd3: grats |
| 21:33.05 | kd3 | ty |
| 21:45.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Davnel (n=cgassass@host86-168-144-255.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) |
| 21:45.13 | Davnel | there we goes |
| 21:46.35 | Amarande | heh, apparently I have Shadowmoon Valley all to myself right now |
| 21:48.34 | Amarande | nobody seems to like to go here anymore |
| 21:48.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Hirsute (n=dnb@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Hirsute) |
| 21:49.45 | Amarande | And people QQ that -frostweave- is hard to get ... :| |
| 21:50.53 | Amarande | netherweave seems to be a little rarer |
| 21:51.35 | NightHawkTheSane | no one gives a shit about netherweave, because its used purely for getting between runecloth and frostweave |
| 21:51.47 | NightHawkTheSane | and it's NOT hard to get |
| 21:52.47 | Dewin | I'm lucky to get 4 frostweave cloth/day. Granted, I'm not a tailor. |
| 21:53.08 | Tem | kd3, happy birthday? |
| 21:53.16 | Tem | you're the 27th, right? |
| 21:53.16 | sacarasc | I don't loot bodies, ever, so I get 0 |
| 21:53.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: eh, if you do make it a point to do things that involve killing humanoids, you get a reasonable amount, but not as much as you used to get of netherweave |
| 21:53.41 | Dewin | oh, so you're the one that leaves all those beasts behind that I can't skin. |
| 21:53.56 | kd3 | yup |
| 21:53.59 | Dewin | NHTS: I'm lucky to pick up 4 frostweave on a full clear 10-man Naxx. |
| 21:54.13 | Dewin | But I've always had horrid luck with drop rates in any MMO. |
| 21:54.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont count naxx :P |
| 21:54.25 | Tem | kd3, Loremaster is a nice bday present imo :) |
| 21:55.18 | kd3 | yes, yes it is |
| 21:55.31 | nevcairiel | I still need to finish that |
| 21:55.34 | nevcairiel | stupid icecrown |
| 21:55.36 | nevcairiel | i r lazy |
| 21:56.14 | nevcairiel | anyway, happy bday kd3 |
| 21:56.57 | kd3 | ty |
| 21:59.23 | Amarande | I'm thinking negatively because I'm thinking of just how much bloody netherweave I *need* now. |
| 22:00.21 | NightHawkTheSane | you're thinking negatively, because im pretty sure thats the only thing you do |
| 22:00.34 | Dewin | I remember when I was buying cloth off the AH, turning it into bandages, and vendoring it at profit |
| 22:00.34 | nevcairiel | I didnt want to say it |
| 22:00.36 | bleeter | yes happy birthday, kd3 ... Y WUZ HEE BAWN SEW BOOTIFUL Y WUZ HEE BAWN ATALL |
| 22:01.01 | kd3 | what mod's shipping with a cc-announce-to-party mode enabled? |
| 22:01.18 | Dewin | Afterlife? |
| 22:01.40 | bleeter | 27?! sheesh.. BAYBEE! |
| 22:02.06 | Amarande | I decided to convert all the primal life and primal water on the AH into primal mooncloth |
| 22:02.13 | Amarande | ... then didn't realize just how much netherweave I need |
| 22:02.33 | bleeter | hehe |
| 22:03.05 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.kittyhell.com/2009/01/27/hello-kitty-linemans-handset-telephone/ |
| 22:04.33 | bleeter | so where's the best spot for farming netherweave? fast respawning humanoids relatively safe to loot |
| 22:04.47 | bleeter | er s/netherwerave/frostweave/ |
| 22:05.35 | Dewin | don't forget undead can drop cloth too |
| 22:05.37 | Amarande | bleeter: Ata'mal Terrace, probably |
| 22:05.42 | Amarande | or IQD |
| 22:05.44 | Dewin | And I've seen a few mobs that are skinnable but also drop cloth |
| 22:06.18 | kd3 | so it's natur that's doing it. sigh |
| 22:06.41 | bleeter | Amarande: I corrected myself to frostweave, not ntherweave ;) |
| 22:06.47 | *** join/#wowuidev ph0bic (n=user@unaffiliated/ph0bic) |
| 22:07.05 | bleeter | Dewin: yeah the NR skinning thing's got me beat. Insect spider things now skinnable wtf? |
| 22:07.41 | Amarande | bleeter: the undead pirates around BT seemed to drop them pretty often |
| 22:09.02 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: off hand, i'd guess somewhere in icecrown |
| 22:10.07 | Amarande | hmm, let's see, three stacks of netherweave for every four imbued netherweave bolts ... |
| 22:10.07 | zenzelezz | Amarande: somehow I kept reading that as "the undead pirates around Black Temple" |
| 22:10.17 | Amarande | and the fact that I bought full stacks each of primal life and primal water ... |
| 22:10.22 | Amarande | yeah, I could be farming fel orcs for a while :| |
| 22:12.11 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, 24 |
| 22:13.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Kirov (n=Kirov@173.10.85.26) |
| 22:14.00 | Adys | kd3: happy bday |
| 22:14.06 | kd3 | ty |
| 22:14.16 | Adys | you can call yourself kd4 now |
| 22:15.36 | Shirik | anyone here familiar with labview? |
| 22:16.01 | Thunder_Child | i'm familiar with you asking about it :p |
| 22:16.06 | Shirik | >.> |
| 22:21.55 | *** join/#wowuidev wereHamster (n=tomc@static.101.209.46.78.clients.your-server.de) |
| 22:24.42 | *** join/#wowuidev KarlThePagan (n=karl@166.129.129.208) |
| 22:27.05 | *** part/#wowuidev atea (n=benjamin@modemcable240.166-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 22:28.02 | *** part/#wowuidev wereHamster (n=tomc@static.101.209.46.78.clients.your-server.de) |
| 22:50.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Nizomi (n=kvirc@pD9E4388C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:50.49 | Nizomi | hi |
| 22:57.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Tewan (n=Tewan@ppp-70-253-75-47.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 23:07.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh_ (n=Srosh@c136133.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 23:14.10 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.peta.org/content/standalone/VeggieLove/Default.aspx?c=pbsaec09 |
| 23:16.55 | Thunder_Child | hmm...why do all mobs move smoothly but al PC's are jerky? |
| 23:18.43 | Hirsute | ~stap peta |
| 23:18.47 | Hirsute | ~stab peta |
| 23:18.47 | purl | ACTION runs at peta with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 23:18.57 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, it's apparently a known bug on some systems |
| 23:19.06 | ZorbaTHut | it's kind of rare. Congratulations, you're special. |
| 23:20.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Diao (i=vschiu@adsl-76-254-51-154.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:23.02 | Shirik | So we got these new snacks in our snack machine |
| 23:23.09 | Shirik | Chex Mix Bar: Turtle |
| 23:23.28 | amro | Thunder_Child: I figure it has something to do with fixing the lag |
| 23:23.30 | Shirik | Caramel-covered Corn Chex pieces, Wheat Chex pieces, Chocolate, Peanuts, and pretzels |
| 23:23.31 | Shirik | in a bar |
| 23:23.33 | Shirik | so awesome |
| 23:26.58 | Thunder_Child | amro, i figured it was something along those lines |
| 23:27.28 | Thunder_Child | though i could do w/o being special like tht ZorbaTHut |
| 23:27.30 | Thunder_Child | that* |
| 23:28.40 | amro | it doesn't always happen, but when it does it seems to happen for everyone in an area |
| 23:28.41 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-rRf] by Shiibot |
| 23:29.02 | ZorbaTHut | last I heard, they'd managed to duplicate it locally and were hard at work fixing it |
| 23:32.27 | Tekkub | ah that's a winner... patch bitching that is needs more space... it's a 6MiB patch |
| 23:34.40 | Iriel | The ultra-paranoid copy-the-MPQ-while-changing approach has its costs. |
| 23:35.02 | Tekkub | paranoia always costs |
| 23:35.13 | Thunder_Child | till it saves your life |
| 23:35.20 | Iriel | Anyway, full disks do not happy OS'es make |
| 23:35.24 | Iriel | so free some space 8-) |
| 23:35.25 | Tekkub | yea haven't hit that yet :P |
| 23:35.52 | Tekkub | yea I know, I need to just stop hem-hawing around and buy that SSD to put wow on |
| 23:38.34 | Shirik | heh, oh... |
| 23:39.00 | Shirik | I'm reviewing Shiibot's logs to make sure he's still working, and I see at the end of the logs "Detected Netsplit... ignoring" and I'm like "wtf is going on here" |
| 23:39.04 | Shirik | Then I look back at irc >.> |
| 23:39.12 | Tekkub | lol |
| 23:39.45 | sacarasc | Hah |
| 23:40.29 | *** join/#wowuidev nevcairiel (i=nevcairi@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/nevcairiel) |
| 23:40.31 | Amarande | yay for being able to mass create primal mooncloth |
| 23:40.43 | Amarande | now it actually becomes a serious question as to whether it's better to make primal mooncloth or frostweave bags |
| 23:41.33 | Amarande | especially if one happens to be specced mooncloth |
| 23:41.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Diao (i=vschiu@adsl-76-254-51-154.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 23:41.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Kirov (n=Kirov@173.10.85.26) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 23:41.40 | *** join/#wowuidev selckin (n=selckin@unaffiliated/axxo) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 23:41.40 | *** join/#wowuidev SNiLD (i=snild@nurmijarvi.net) |
| 23:42.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Diao (i=vschiu@adsl-76-254-51-154.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:42.49 | Shirik | ok, fail2ban has banned the same guy like 30 times today |
| 23:42.51 | Shirik | wtf is going on here |
| 23:43.29 | Thunder_Child | well it does say *fail*2ban |
| 23:43.35 | Shirik | well it is banning |
| 23:43.40 | Shirik | I just have it configured to unban after 15 mins |
| 23:44.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Diao (i=vschiu@adsl-76-254-51-154.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 23:44.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Kirov (n=Kirov@173.10.85.26) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 23:44.41 | *** join/#wowuidev selckin (n=selckin@unaffiliated/axxo) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 23:44.41 | *** join/#wowuidev SNiLD (i=snild@nurmijarvi.net) |
| 23:45.28 | Shirik | :( freenode is having a bad day again? |
| 23:46.18 | sacarasc | It's always a bad day on freenode |
| 23:46.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (n=Wobin@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:46.32 | Davnel | 2,600 word report on teamwork >.< |
| 23:46.35 | Davnel | ftl |
| 23:47.59 | Hirsute | Davnel: You're going to do it all yourself, aren't you? |
| 23:48.32 | sacarasc | Find 2600 people to each write 1 word for you |
| 23:52.13 | *** join/#wowuidev KarlKFI (n=chatzill@adcom137.adcom.uci.edu) |
| 23:52.35 | Davnel | yeah tahts the bit that gets me Hirsute |
| 23:52.48 | Davnel | right a solo report on teamwork :/ |
| 23:53.03 | Davnel | and its done :P |
| 23:53.05 | |pez| | right? |
| 23:53.32 | Davnel | I don't design the course I just want to pass it |
| 23:53.57 | Davnel | anyway night all |
| 23:54.01 | |pez| | Ninight |
| 23:56.08 | Tewan | Hmm |
| 23:56.17 | Tewan | I thought of a cheap way to fix the cursor issue in Ubuntu |
| 23:56.56 | Tewan | CursorCastbar still shows, so if you just overlay a texture of the cursor whenever the distance is greater than x, you can still see it, somewhat |
| 23:58.34 | ZorbaTHut | does losing the three southern towers no longer lose Wintergrasp? |
