| 00:00.25 | Arrowmaster | xfire uses IE to display their ads, so i just blocked ads.xfire.com |
| 00:00.51 | Arrowmaster | i wish steam didnt use IE though |
| 00:02.28 | bleeter | Amarande: I'd wish they'd update the loadscreen pictures to WS :( |
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| 00:05.40 | zenzelezz | agreed, but I doubt they'll put resources into redrawing them all |
| 00:05.54 | Kirov | I never understood the bar buff thing. |
| 00:06.15 | zenzelezz | bar buff? |
| 00:06.17 | Kirov | So much space used to display buffs. |
| 00:06.24 | [dRaCo] | blizz' way of displaying them is ugly |
| 00:06.52 | Kirov | suits me fine |
| 00:07.35 | [dRaCo] | dunno, I don't like those big squares with no quick way of estimating the time left |
| 00:07.37 | Silversage | I don't like the fact that I have to do extra work to see party member's buffs now. |
| 00:07.43 | zenzelezz | I'm unsure I've ever played an MMO that displayed them in a way I found entirely satisfactory... WoW's works, but could be better. Anarchy Online's was nice in the end, in some ways, but also not perfect |
| 00:07.53 | Kirov | There's numbers on them. |
| 00:08.11 | Kirov | I'm annoyed by relative time left vs. real time left |
| 00:08.33 | [dRaCo] | bars aren't perfect, neither |
| 00:08.42 | [dRaCo] | but I like them better than squares |
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| 00:10.06 | [dRaCo] | I kinda remember seeing an addon that only displayed missing buffs dependig on your party |
| 00:10.16 | [dRaCo] | but I can't remember the name |
| 00:10.54 | [dRaCo] | and when I think about it now, sounds more like something I always hoped someone would code -.- |
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| 00:46.31 | Amarande | hmm, how is my dps sucking so hard in instances? |
| 00:46.52 | Amarande | I just went up to heroic training dummy, and with just idiot mode (spam sb + let pet attack it) I'm getting about 1400-1500 |
| 00:47.25 | Gngsk | stuff dies quick in instances |
| 00:49.16 | Amarande | yeah, I've noticed against any given mob, it takes a bit for my dps to get "up to speed" |
| 00:49.27 | Amarande | according to recount, anyway |
| 00:49.53 | Codayus | What's your class/spec again? |
| 00:52.09 | Codayus | Well, warlock obviously. Hm. Well, major things is...if a mob ever dies with a dot on him your "losing" damage. If there's enough time left you'd be better off not casting the dot at all. Movement can slow both your DPS and your pets DPS. |
| 00:53.24 | Amarande | Looks like the best rotation I'm finding is CoE + Corruption + SB spam |
| 00:53.43 | Amarande | as demo, it seems that immo actually damages DPS at least as often as it helps it |
| 00:55.44 | Amarande | it's very easy to try to cast immo to renew the dot and get only the burst |
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| 01:00.45 | Silversage|Qzot | And imo, don't worry about dps on trash. There are few places where the challenge of trash compares with the nearby bosses. |
| 01:05.10 | Amarande | Only reason I even worry about the meters is it seems like so many groups worry about the meters |
| 01:06.40 | Amarande | Immo is definitely bad though, especially as Demo. |
| 01:11.08 | Gnarfoz | you certainly sound like you're not sure of what you're doing, at all |
| 01:11.56 | Thunder_Child | "if you were a necrophile, pedophile and were into beastiality...would you fuck an omlet?" |
| 01:12.04 | Syzgyn | hah |
| 01:14.21 | Corrodias | an interesting question |
| 01:15.05 | Corrodias | what if you don't like animals, but it's a dead fetus? |
| 01:23.06 | Thunder_Child | heh "Twin Tower Jenga" |
| 01:32.54 | |pez| | I really think blizzard should dedicate a team to make the whole of Azeroth flyable.. |
| 01:34.00 | Amarande | pez, I doubt that will happen until one specific thing they always hold off on indefinitely happens |
| 01:34.06 | Thunder_Child | instead of new content? |
| 01:34.25 | Amarande | TC: actually, one bit of major new content is required for that, in particular |
| 01:34.39 | Amarande | at *least* |
| 01:34.47 | Amarande | the biggest thing is they'd have to make present Hyjal a real zone |
| 01:35.02 | Thunder_Child | hmmm Amarande? i know they have said they will not do it any time soon |
| 01:35.05 | Amarande | with flying in Azeroth, they can't keep keeping people out |
| 01:35.19 | Amarande | they might also have to make Uldum, and whatever that place is in the south of Silverpine |
| 01:35.47 | |pez| | Sure they can, autoporting to outside. |
| 01:37.11 | kd3 | then there's the insanity that is stormwind |
| 01:37.20 | kd3 | and all of the tricks the devs did to make it work on crap systems |
| 01:37.34 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Closed_zones |
| 01:38.56 | Amarande | yeah, SW they could do like dalaran |
| 01:39.02 | Amarande | Hyjal's a bigger problem, though |
| 01:39.25 | Amarande | unless they can come up with a good and cogent IC reason why you should be autoported to some particular fixed location when trying to go in there ... |
| 01:39.34 | kd3 | yes. the 'no man's land' debuff is rather annoying |
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| 01:41.11 | |pez| | There's no real good reason for not being able to fly either, except for the closed zones. |
| 01:41.47 | mikma | kd3: what tricka? |
| 01:42.32 | kd3 | entering one district causes all of the others to not be rendered... the floating cathedral spires visible from the gate and the trade district, etc... |
| 01:42.50 | kd3 | go look at it in map viewer. it's rather interesting |
| 01:43.25 | kd3 | it's also easy to cause your own district to not get rendered if you extend the camera follow distance with a macro and then look down from on high |
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| 01:43.50 | mikma | kd3: yeah, fake towers |
| 01:47.07 | |pez| | As a leveling druid, what tree should I focus on? and what stats? |
| 01:47.36 | Amarande | pez: most say feral (which would be agil/stam/AP as most important stats while leveling) |
| 01:47.38 | mikma | feral |
| 01:47.43 | mikma | and feral |
| 01:47.47 | |pez| | Aiight |
| 01:47.49 | Amarande | although balance and resto have been found viable as well |
| 01:47.50 | |pez| | thanks |
| 01:47.58 | Amarande | balance you really want to be 40 before you try leveling in it though |
| 01:48.21 | Corrodias | agreed. balance was fun enough to play for a while in 2.4. i ended up feral anyway because they needed tanks. |
| 01:48.22 | Amarande | and resto ... well, the good news is you'll basically never die |
| 01:48.43 | Amarande | the bad news about leveling resto is you'll probably be considered a war criminal under the Geneva Convention, because how slowly you'll kill mobs will probably count as torture. :) |
| 01:49.05 | |pez| | lool |
| 01:49.10 | |pez| | feral it is theen XD |
| 01:49.13 | Thunder_Child | same with holy priests |
| 01:49.39 | |pez| | These are decent for a leveling feral druid then? - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44103 |
| 01:50.07 | |pez| | (druids can't wear mail, right?) |
| 01:50.11 | Corrodias | definitely, i think. although the stamina and resilience might be a little odd |
| 01:50.14 | Amarande | however, if you plan on doing any instancing while leveling, I'd hold onto some decent spare spellpower gear if you obtain any |
| 01:50.23 | Corrodias | not as big a concern for grinding as attacking stats |
| 01:50.23 | |pez| | Amarande: Ofcourse. |
| 01:50.24 | [dRaCo] | yeah, but there are pve shoulders as heirloom items, too |
| 01:50.26 | Amarande | in case you need to heal |
| 01:50.37 | [dRaCo] | I'd rather get those if you've got the marks |
| 01:50.53 | Amarande | Corrodias: I usually consider stam pretty vital to stack on non-pet classes when grinding |
| 01:51.01 | |pez| | [dRaCo]: Which aare? |
| 01:51.07 | Amarande | I like to be able to take out more than two mobs without having to stop to eat and drink |
| 01:51.15 | Corrodias | feral druids can heal themselves. they never have to stop to eat or drink. |
| 01:51.25 | [dRaCo] | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42952 |
| 01:51.36 | Corrodias | unless they're taking a LOT of damage... although stamina won't help with that |
| 01:51.46 | [dRaCo] | basically, anything you'd give your rogue is fine for a cat, too |
| 01:51.53 | |pez| | [dRaCo]: I guess, but there's no agi on that. |
| 01:52.05 | [dRaCo] | doesn't matter, AP are fine, too |
| 01:52.13 | |pez| | Mmkay |
| 01:52.22 | Corrodias | agility, AP, crit. agility is just a way to get those other two, i think. |
| 01:52.28 | [dRaCo] | ya |
| 01:52.29 | Corrodias | and dodge |
| 01:52.34 | |pez| | right ^^ |
| 01:53.21 | |pez| | thanks guys :D |
| 01:53.42 | |pez| | I do believe I lack the emblems XD |
| 01:54.01 | |pez| | Oh, lol, yep. |
| 01:54.05 | |pez| | Need lots more XD |
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| 01:56.08 | |pez| | Ahwell, I'll get the druid to lvl.. 10, and park it. I've got lots of stuff to do on my hunter anyway |
| 01:57.50 | |pez| | Want some time to get him some Frostweave bags too XD |
| 01:57.58 | mikma | i leveled 1-60 as feral, 60-70 as resto |
| 01:58.04 | mikma | in pvp server =D |
| 01:58.23 | Corrodias | enemies just get bored and go away when they can't kill you |
| 01:58.26 | mikma | reason? powerleveling with friend who played a earlock |
| 01:58.33 | |pez| | earlock! |
| 01:58.45 | mikma | my friend dotted everyone and i healed his ass |
| 01:59.03 | mikma | ya sorry bout tpyoa, tired and minikeyboard |
| 02:00.29 | Thunder_Child | ~fail mikma |
| 02:00.29 | Guest75797 | mikma, you Fail! |
| 02:00.53 | |pez| | DOom! |
| 02:01.08 | |pez| | Blizz dails... server time is showing a minute difference on servertime. :P |
| 02:01.17 | |pez| | on me and my boyfriends computer |
| 02:02.01 | |pez| | I missed my JC daily by like a minute XD |
| 02:03.53 | mikma | guest75797? |
| 02:04.48 | Thunder_Child | purl is ingocnito mikma |
| 02:05.04 | Thunder_Child | s/goc/cog/ |
| 02:05.18 | mikma | its there, but not responding to you |
| 02:06.16 | Amarande | I still need to level my priest to 65 so I can train her GM tailoring and enchanting |
| 02:06.26 | Amarande | hmm, can you take the zepps to outland at 65 or will it not let you on before 68? |
| 02:06.33 | Amarande | er. |
| 02:06.35 | Amarande | not outland. |
| 02:06.36 | Amarande | northrend :| |
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| 02:10.17 | Arrowmaster | i thought you could take the zeps at lvl 1 |
| 02:10.32 | |pez| | I don't see why not.. |
| 02:10.50 | Tekkub | only if you're able |
| 02:20.47 | ScytheBlade1 | awesome |
| 02:20.48 | ScytheBlade1 | http://hackaday.com/2009/01/24/road-sign-hacking/ |
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| 02:31.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: nice |
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| 02:32.09 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: DOTS! |
| 02:33.04 | NightHawkTheSane | dots? |
| 02:33.40 | Amarande | "A more powerful spell is already active" |
| 02:33.41 | Amarande | GRRRR |
| 02:33.43 | |pez| | I want heirloom mounts... XD scalable XD |
| 02:33.48 | Amarande | how am I supposed to keep my dots from dropping off :P |
| 02:34.09 | Amarande | *considers going Destro* |
| 02:35.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: better timing |
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| 02:35.39 | yabo | hello! |
| 02:35.44 | yabo | about events, |
| 02:35.58 | Amarande | Night: there's one particular problem with demo spec in particular |
| 02:36.09 | Amarande | when you're demo, your spellpower fluctuates wildly |
| 02:36.14 | yabo | the event "UNIT_AURA" takes a UnitID-argument, but how do i add the argument? |
| 02:36.16 | Amarande | which results in issues when it comes to refreshing dots regularly |
| 02:36.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: only if you try to cast it while it's currently up |
| 02:37.30 | yabo | i want to check if my target triggers the UNIT_AURA event, but how do i make it check only my target? |
| 02:40.28 | yabo | oh, i figured it out. never mind |
| 02:42.37 | |pez| | uhm, lol |
| 02:42.53 | |pez| | my herbalism skill autoleveled to.. 17 with one gathering? |
| 02:43.27 | |pez| | Oh |
| 02:43.30 | |pez| | I'm a tauren |
| 02:43.31 | NightHawkTheSane | are you tauren? |
| 02:43.49 | |pez| | yeah¨ |
| 02:44.13 | |pez| | Soo nevermind :D |
| 02:44.41 | Tekkub | tauren come pre-high, as you've just proven |
| 02:47.46 | Corrodias | that's a vicious lie. tauren only use that for medicinal purposes. |
| 02:48.18 | p3lim | hm i need a simple damage meter |
| 02:48.26 | p3lim | very very simple one |
| 02:48.30 | Amarande | so, is 30/0/41 viable for a mage? |
| 02:48.48 | p3lim | or just list every addon that counts as a damage meter |
| 02:49.21 | Anaral | p3lim: Recount. |
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| 02:51.22 | yabo | Is it possible to check what type of aura was applied to your target? i.e. Magic or Disease? |
| 02:52.04 | Tekkub | recount is hardly simple :P |
| 02:52.06 | Tekkub | picoDPS |
| 02:52.15 | Corrodias | recount was my favorite in 2.4 |
| 02:52.31 | Corrodias | simple to use. if you mean having few features, i can't recommend anything |
| 02:53.06 | p3lim | recount or recount2 |
| 02:53.33 | Amarande | actually, is the water elemental still considered an important thing to take on a mage or is it basically devalued in wotlk? |
| 02:53.40 | p3lim | i dont use broker so |
| 02:53.52 | Tekkub | they just freeze in NR, don't bother |
| 02:57.07 | Amarande | Tekkub: do they gain any hp at higher levels or still the 3000 they come with? |
| 02:57.26 | Tekkub | fuck if I know |
| 02:57.48 | p3lim | recount is a bit too much |
| 02:57.54 | p3lim | i dont needs graphs and all that |
| 02:58.11 | Corrodias | you don't -have- to look at the graphs |
| 02:59.08 | Thunder_Child | fishing != fisting |
| 02:59.08 | Amarande | apparently, anyway, I've been worrying too much about dps on my lock |
| 02:59.23 | Amarande | the last instance I was in I had terrible dps, but there were reasons for it |
| 02:59.58 | Amarande | my dps has always been slacky on trash compared to bosses, and it was an H-VH in which we got stuck with fucking Ichoron |
| 03:00.07 | WobWork | yuck |
| 03:00.10 | WobWork | hate that boss |
| 03:00.12 | Amarande | other than the fact that the robe he drops is mega awesome for a pre-raid lock, ichoron sucks |
| 03:00.21 | Amarande | yay, I can cast shadow bolt once or twice before I'm ping ponged around |
| 03:00.29 | Amarande | and then it's all the little trash guys instead of the main boss |
| 03:00.34 | WobWork | violet hold defenses =P |
| 03:00.42 | Amarande | and then we can target the boss again and I can cast shadow bolt once or twice ... :| |
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| 03:02.27 | Thunder_Child | back home Shirik? |
| 03:02.39 | Shirik | negative |
| 03:03.40 | Shirik | I won't be home until around midnight tomorrow |
| 03:05.37 | p3lim | Amarande: have one dedicated player run around pushing crystals |
| 03:05.45 | p3lim | Amarande: preferably melee |
| 03:07.10 | WobWork | and time it just before he explodes |
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| 03:09.03 | Amarande | p3lim: ahh, those |
| 03:09.24 | Amarande | heh. you know, the first time I went to H-VH, I got the Defenseless achievement and I was like wha lol |
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| 03:09.39 | Amarande | that's got to be the easiest heroic achievement ever heh |
| 03:10.36 | Amarande | you have to botch things up pretty bad to have the gate integrity drop at all, and I didn't even know what a defense control crystal WAS the entire time |
| 03:11.11 | Shirik | Amusing post on the mailing list |
| 03:11.19 | Shirik | Apparently Lua has made it into the malware community |
| 03:11.37 | Shirik | There's a trojan floating around that comes with its own Lua interpreter embedded, and runs a Lua script |
| 03:12.28 | Gnarfoz | lol, got a link to an archive of that list & post? |
| 03:12.48 | yabo | hehe, Shirik. that is thorough.. |
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| 03:14.49 | Shirik | I don't think it'll be archived until the end of the day, Gnarfoz |
| 03:15.49 | Cralor` | How do I fire an event when you enter WSG? |
| 03:16.10 | Shirik | here it is, Gnarfoz: http://marc.info/?l=lua-l&m=123282914726760&w=2 |
| 03:16.22 | Cralor` | Like, what can I use |
| 03:16.30 | Gnarfoz | Cralor`: ZONE_CHANGED* |
| 03:16.59 | Cralor` | Is there an arg1 for the name? |
| 03:17.05 | Cralor` | arg* |
| 03:17.08 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 03:17.17 | Cralor` | =/ |
| 03:19.58 | yabo | Is it possible to check what type of buff a buff being applied is? |
| 03:20.03 | yabo | ie magic, disease or curse etc |
| 03:20.43 | Amarande | anyway, mage build I was looking into: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=of0Vbh0IzxhZZVIccofu0czgbo |
| 03:23.45 | Amarande | am I missing anything important there that makes it fail, or does that look good? |
| 03:29.13 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/274/48/ |
| 03:35.35 | NightHawkTheSane | neat |
| 03:37.53 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 03:37.58 | Arrowmaster | ZOMBIES AHEAD |
| 03:38.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ZOMBIES-- yeah |
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| 03:41.10 | |pez| | Awwh, I only need Exodar to get my bear mount. |
| 03:41.18 | |pez| | And the raidgroup altready did that before I joined. |
| 03:41.30 | Amarande | Ehh, should be easy enough to persuade them to go back there |
| 03:41.40 | Amarande | given how it's easier than, say, most raid instances |
| 03:41.58 | |pez| | Well, they say the guy had a 2 hour respawn. |
| 03:42.43 | Amarande | Hmm, I don't remember Thrall or Sylvanas taking that long to repop after Alliance bashed their heads in |
| 03:43.23 | |pez| | I wouldn't really know. |
| 03:43.38 | |pez| | but, it's 5am too.. So I understand people not wanting to go XD |
| 03:44.01 | |pez| | prime-time though |
| 03:44.03 | |pez| | little alliance |
| 03:44.23 | Amarande | I've always wondered how EJ and such come up with these 'best' builds |
| 03:44.31 | NightHawkTheSane | math |
| 03:44.59 | Tekkub | if you've spent this long worrying about your build... yea it's too late |
| 03:45.57 | Amarande | heh. I almost was going to say that builds these days need to be able to solo hell difficulty |
| 03:47.12 | Codayus | Amarande: Lots of math. |
| 03:47.30 | Codayus | One of the priest theorycrafters on EJ has this in his sig: "Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. - R.A. Heinlein" |
| 03:48.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I build Rawr from source |
| 03:48.11 | ScytheBlade1 | It's... HUGE amounts of math |
| 03:48.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 03:49.03 | Codayus | *shrug* For many classes, the math is fairly simple; the trick is just figuring out what formulas apply. I wouldn't want to do a DR curve calculation in my head, but it's easy to visualize what's going on. |
| 03:49.11 | ScytheBlade1 | The Mage module alone is 1.47MB of source |
| 03:49.20 | Codayus | ...then you get something like enh shaman DPS. Ick. |
| 03:49.38 | ScytheBlade1 | All of the modules that they have clock in at 12.0MB of source |
| 03:49.42 | NightHawkTheSane | or calculating elemental focus uptime for ele shaman. >< |
| 03:51.53 | Amarande | hmm, let's see what rawr has to say about Alvaerin |
| 03:52.45 | Amarande | god damn it. |
| 03:52.49 | Amarande | I KNEW that was going to happen |
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| 03:53.22 | Amarande | windows explorer has stopped working ... heh |
| 03:54.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i should bother installing this copy of win7 i downloaded.. |
| 03:54.36 | Amarande | the moment I saw how many files there were in the rawr zip, I knew explorer was gonna choke on it :S |
| 03:54.54 | |pez| | I'm gonna ask a nublett question... XD |
| 03:55.14 | |pez| | Raid instances reset every week, yes? |
| 03:55.18 | Amarande | yeah |
| 03:55.24 | |pez| | while instances which only require a normal party.. |
| 03:55.27 | |pez| | is once a day? |
| 03:55.29 | Amarande | although, I'm starting to think we should suggest making raid instances reset daily |
| 03:55.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes with technicalities |
| 03:55.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Raid instances (10+) reset on Tuesdays |
| 03:55.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Heroics count as raid instances, they reset daily |
| 03:55.53 | Amarande | the fact of the matter is that most if not all raids are done in a single night even by PUGs |
| 03:55.57 | |pez| | ScytheBlade1: even normal party heroics? |
| 03:56.08 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: "technically" raid instances reset when blizzard says they do. size is a matter of consistency, not rule. |
| 03:56.10 | Amarande | pez: when you enter a heroic, it says "this raid instance" |
| 03:56.11 | ScytheBlade1 | "Heroic" --> Raid Instance, period |
| 03:56.19 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: It's nice |
| 03:56.21 | |pez| | right! |
| 03:56.25 | |pez| | Ok, thanks ^^ |
| 03:56.26 | Shirik | and I've noticed performance improvements |
| 03:56.38 | Shirik | The only compatibilities I have found so far are one of the two categories: |
| 03:56.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: well, it'd mostly be just to toy around, as this is on my mac pro :) |
| 03:56.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik should reformat his linode and use CentOS instead of gentoo |
| 03:57.04 | Shirik | (1) Stupid programmer decided to do something like "If version == Vista || version == XP" instead of "If version > XP" in the installer, so it says "invalid version" |
| 03:57.15 | Shirik | or (2) Stupid programmer violated DEP which I have turned on |
| 03:57.24 | Shirik | I actually spoke with some developers at NI today and yelled at them for that |
| 03:57.37 | Shirik | the DEP issue isn't Windows 7-related though |
| 03:58.13 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:58.21 | Amarande | apparently rawr isn't fully optimal for warlocks yet :| |
| 03:58.47 | |pez| | I'll have to start doing lots of normal instances for my emblems then! |
| 03:58.56 | Amarande | by which I mean 'not reasonably functional at all' |
| 03:58.59 | Amarande | it seems to think Alvaerin is a druid :| |
| 03:59.00 | ScytheBlade1 | No, the rawr warlock module is lacking from what I saw |
| 03:59.01 | Codayus | Hm, true. |
| 03:59.20 | Codayus | The models page on the Rawr site lists the warlock model as not yet updated for Wrath. |
| 04:00.21 | Amarande | dammit. :| |
| 04:00.38 | Amarande | has the warlock simply become not an A-tier class anymore for raiding? |
| 04:00.42 | Codayus | Guess you'll have to stick to spreadsheets. |
| 04:00.52 | Amarande | I notice rogue has also not been updated, but I also very rarely see rogues anymore |
| 04:01.47 | Codayus | Not at all. But Rawr model development more or less depends on someone with the programming skills AND good knowledge of the class volunteering. *shrug* |
| 04:01.53 | |pez| | Would this be a neat feral druid staff? - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44095 |
| 04:02.19 | |pez| | I'll assume yes |
| 04:02.21 | Codayus | The EJ warlock forum has more discussion, math, and spreadsheets that you can shake a stick at if that's what floats your boat. |
| 04:02.24 | Corrodias | yes, below 60, i think |
| 04:03.00 | Amarande | Codayus: And yet I still can't seem to hit 2k DPS with Alvaerin. |
| 04:03.03 | Amarande | Wonder if it's my gear. |
| 04:03.09 | Corrodias | can't be as good as some other weapons, though |
| 04:03.17 | Amarande | Also, this is without raid buffs, flasks, or buff food |
| 04:03.35 | Amarande | how much DPS on average does typical raid buffs add to a caster? |
| 04:03.49 | |pez| | Corrodias: Well, it scales, I'd like something inbetween the periods I don't find shiny weapons XD |
| 04:03.59 | Corrodias | scales? |
| 04:04.06 | Codayus | Amarande: Could be gear, spec, playstyle. And there is no average. If you really care, find a warlock spreadsheet, and figure out what you should be getting. |
| 04:04.25 | |pez| | Corrodias: wait, I thought you responded to my link XD |
| 04:04.31 | Silversage | Codayus: Are you involved with Rawr at all? I was trying to understand the models and found the code nigh impenetrable. |
| 04:04.45 | Corrodias | i did. but i quit in 2.4, so i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 04:04.52 | |pez| | Oh |
| 04:04.57 | |pez| | Heirloom ite, |
| 04:04.58 | |pez| | item |
| 04:04.59 | Codayus | Silversage: Naa, I'd only be interested in the HolyPriest model, and it's got a great maintainer. Sorry. |
| 04:05.01 | |pez| | it scales with your level. |
| 04:05.05 | Corrodias | the weapon as it stands is not very impressive at 70 in 2.4 |
| 04:05.27 | Corrodias | <800 attack power and some stamina, not really going to draw the crowds |
| 04:06.52 | Silversage | Codayus: My interest is a real-time gear evaluator (for swapping in a single piece of gear) based on estimating dps (or hps) with appropriate models for talents and rotation. |
| 04:07.05 | |pez| | I can wear it throughout my leveling. But it will ofcourse not have the same stats as that XD |
| 04:07.18 | Corrodias | well, if they grow, it may indeed be worthwhile |
| 04:07.34 | |pez| | I don't think it grows more than what you see there. |
| 04:07.47 | Corrodias | erk. well, it may be nice at lower levels anyway. |
| 04:07.57 | |pez| | Yeah |
| 04:08.03 | |pez| | and the "inbetween good item" periods. |
| 04:08.25 | |pez| | Aaanyway, I need to go sleep |
| 04:08.41 | |pez| | And I still need around 330 stone keeper shards to get the item XD |
| 04:09.01 | |pez| | But, thanks, and goodnight |
| 04:09.02 | |pez| | ! |
| 04:19.02 | Corrodias | ni |
| 04:25.54 | Amarande | however, there's one problem with using rawr + "let's equip the best set of gear you can" to figure out how good a talent build is |
| 04:26.08 | Amarande | Rawr may tell you that your talent build is bad, but ... |
| 04:26.35 | Amarande | It's easy apparently to come up with talent builds that look just fine on the surface, and end up seeming epically bad when run through theorycrafting |
| 04:26.45 | Amarande | and the worst thing is, you don't find out *why* they are bad |
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| 04:29.28 | Amarande | Of course, sometimes it seems like the existence of EJ and such would have you believe that, if people didn't run things through all kinds of spreadsheets and Rawrs and such, no one would ever have enough DPS to beat an enrage timer in a raid |
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| 04:35.25 | AbsolutRayne | http://gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscreen.php?auth=033ef14483ee899496648c2b4b06233c Sup |
| 04:49.52 | Kalroth | .. |
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| 05:35.25 | [sync] | sigh |
| 05:35.38 | [sync] | could anyone recommend a DKP bidding addon that can be synced with EQDKP? |
| 05:35.42 | [sync] | EQDKP-Plus |
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| 05:42.53 | Amarande | hmm, interesting |
| 05:43.03 | Amarande | "ftw" is on the list of banned abbreviations on EJ, however, "ftl" apparently is not |
| 05:44.32 | ScytheBlade1 | It's probably implied |
| 05:45.03 | Amarande | thankfully, "sry" is on that list |
| 05:45.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably so those who pass the infractions around can insult the IQ of others in their infraction log |
| 05:45.16 | Amarande | "sry" is probably my LEAST favorite internet abbreviation EVER |
| 05:45.20 | Corrodias | eh? they banned apology? |
| 05:45.21 | ScytheBlade1 | "Just because 'ftl' isn't on there, 'ftw' is - what do you think that means?" |
| 05:45.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: "Sorry." is cool |
| 05:45.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: "sry" is not |
| 05:45.43 | Amarande | "sry" generally means someone doesn't mean it :| |
| 05:45.54 | Corrodias | well, the name of the forum (elitist jerks) doesn't leave much room for complaint i guess |
| 05:46.32 | End | technically it's a guild, but it's become the generally central place for theorycrafting and the like |
| 05:46.52 | End | their forums have I mean :P |
| 05:47.57 | Corrodias | oh, i'm well aware of EJ. i always kept up on the distilled results of their tanking discussions back in the day. |
| 05:48.54 | End | ga, so many lucky red envelopes! |
| 05:49.07 | ScytheBlade1 | End: shift+click them |
| 05:49.13 | NightHawkTheSane | it doesn't delete them |
| 05:49.19 | ScytheBlade1 | they'll expire =] |
| 05:49.20 | End | I still have to open them! |
| 05:49.29 | End | after getting them out of the mail |
| 05:49.30 | End | :( |
| 05:49.34 | ScytheBlade1 | True |
| 05:56.30 | [sync] | O.o |
| 05:56.40 | [sync] | Is it me, but after 3.0.8 alot of my addons started stuffing up |
| 05:56.47 | [sync] | TitanPanels dropdown thingy isnt working, |
| 05:56.51 | ScytheBlade1 | There were quite a few UI changes |
| 05:56.56 | [sync] | Bid mod can't call to nil or some thing |
| 05:57.06 | [sync] | and WoWcurse program won't update T.T |
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| 05:59.08 | [sync] | :@ so frustating |
| 06:04.05 | [sync] | I manage our guilds DKP, and recently I introduced a bidding system |
| 06:04.15 | [sync] | the addon seemed to work fine last week |
| 06:04.19 | [sync] | but now, its.. having problems |
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| 06:18.09 | NightHawkTheSane | the CUPCAKES OF CATAN! http://www.flickr.com/photos/quintanaroo/sets/72157594450089446/ |
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| 06:25.43 | WobWork | ahah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCWA7uevo_Q |
| 06:26.00 | WobWork | don't give up on this, it gets better the further it goes |
| 06:27.08 | Corrodias | i don't know what's wrong with Geico, but their advertisements are not improving |
| 06:27.27 | Corrodias | now they have a creepy stalker "pile of money with googly eyes" mascot |
| 06:32.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: thats great |
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| 06:51.35 | WobWork | hm, there's no way to get around people using mammoths to hide the Elders is there? |
| 06:51.59 | WobWork | Opposite faction, natch |
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| 06:56.12 | NightHawkTheSane | ctrl-v click nameplate |
| 06:57.58 | WobWork | can that still be seen through the mammoth? |
| 06:58.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i assume so |
| 06:58.46 | Thunder_Child | can you /target and rclick the target unit frame to do what you want? |
| 06:59.22 | NightHawkTheSane | can't interact via unit frames |
| 06:59.44 | Thunder_Child | maybe we should ask blizz to put it in...or was it removed due to exploits |
| 07:00.07 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* |
| 07:02.10 | linear` | how is it possible that i setwidth a texture at 0 but then I getwidth it and it's 8 |
| 07:03.51 | batrick_ | would anyone know why, if I logged on one of my friend's characters once, that his characters would load my keybinds/settings a month later? |
| 07:04.05 | batrick_ | repeatedly load* |
| 07:12.37 | NightHawkTheSane | because you touch yourself at night |
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| 07:18.34 | linear` | hm i guess a texture wont disappear if its setwidth at 0 |
| 07:18.42 | linear` | gotta make it negative |
| 07:19.46 | Arrowmaster | batrick_: because your client though it was loggin in for the first time since patch 3.0 and had settings already so it uploaded them to the server? |
| 07:20.01 | Arrowmaster | i found that out the hardway too |
| 07:20.16 | batrick | i dunno |
| 07:20.33 | batrick | but it is constantly doing that to my friend's acc for all of his characters except one |
| 07:20.36 | Arrowmaster | when i first logged in from laptop it overwrote settings from desktop |
| 07:21.02 | Arrowmaster | so i had to delete the WTF on the laptop to get it to sync after i restored the desktop ones |
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| 07:50.08 | Syzgyn | Eating breakfast at 2:30 in the morning is awesome. |
| 07:50.32 | Syzgyn | You eat, fall asleep happy, then get to wake up and eat again! |
| 07:55.21 | Thunder_Child | then it's not breakfast |
| 07:55.49 | Thunder_Child | or rather i think both of them are |
| 07:56.38 | Kirov | that's not breakfast, that's fourth meal |
| 07:57.16 | Thunder_Child | i'm not sure if it is defined as "the first meal of the day" or literaly "breaking your fast" |
| 07:57.26 | Thunder_Child | ~dict 1 breakfast |
| 07:57.39 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 07:57.41 | Cairenn | you guys are all wrong - that's waist, hips, thighs, ass, gut |
| 07:57.59 | Thunder_Child | are you even in the correct channel Cairenn? |
| 07:58.32 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 07:58.36 | Cairenn | because eating at that hour then going back to sleep means your body doesn't metabolize it, so it gets stored as fat |
| 07:58.46 | NightHawkTheSane | thats why i eat so late |
| 07:58.50 | Syzgyn | If its breakfast food, it counts as breakfast |
| 07:58.59 | NightHawkTheSane | my metabolism is too hyperactive as it is |
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| 08:14.58 | Syzgyn | Why would loading a blizzard addon early cause it to freak the fuck out? |
| 08:15.53 | Corrodias | because i'm listening to awesome music |
| 08:15.59 | Adys | because the FBI disagrees with your actions, Syzgyn |
| 08:16.21 | Syzgyn | The FBI can suck a big one then |
| 08:16.38 | Arrowmaster | Syzgyn: what blizz addon and how are you loading it early |
| 08:16.45 | Syzgyn | The achievment frame |
| 08:16.50 | Syzgyn | and with AchievementFrame_LoadUI() |
| 08:17.12 | Arrowmaster | try setting it as an optdep of an addon thats not LoD |
| 08:17.59 | Arrowmaster | taint does persist through LoadAddOn(), so if you LoadAddOn() the raid ui its broken |
| 08:18.07 | Arrowmaster | but i dont know what would be secure in the achievement frame |
| 08:19.01 | Syzgyn | When I do it, the category buttons end up not showing up, and it throws an error trying to get the array of them or something |
| 08:19.15 | Syzgyn | trying it with optdep now |
| 08:19.16 | Arrowmaster | api bug? |
| 08:19.33 | Syzgyn | I didnt think they had changed anything with it |
| 08:19.41 | Syzgyn | Hey there we go |
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| 08:19.57 | Syzgyn | Still fucking weird |
| 08:20.49 | Arrowmaster | so optdep worked? |
| 08:20.57 | End | gah, I'm still not used to one-hit mining |
| 08:22.53 | Syzgyn | Yeah it did Arrowmaster |
| 08:23.09 | Arrowmaster | odd that parts of the achievement ui would be secure |
| 08:23.57 | Syzgyn | I guess thats it |
| 08:25.41 | End | lucky red enevelopes should stack |
| 08:25.43 | End | like clams |
| 08:26.02 | Tekkub | why? you only get them when you open mail |
| 08:26.05 | Tekkub | it's not like loot |
| 08:26.16 | End | I like getting all my mail in one go |
| 08:26.25 | Syzgyn | Oh shit |
| 08:26.28 | Syzgyn | I forgot about those |
| 08:26.37 | Tekkub | so open them all in one go too |
| 08:26.45 | Syzgyn | great, gonna have 60-something tomorrow |
| 08:26.50 | End | inventory space! |
| 08:27.13 | End | I just went down the line shift clicking |
| 08:27.31 | End | also, fuck, I think I have to delete some of the messages |
| 08:27.43 | End | all my mail is from elders |
| 08:34.20 | End | There's something deliciously evil about holding a monopoly on a JC pattern |
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| 09:54.04 | batrick | So even after disabling all addons my mouse cursor disappears in certain areas of the screen constantly, anyone else have that problem? |
| 09:57.57 | Tekkub | nope, buy a new nouse |
| 09:59.10 | Cairenn | stop moving your mouse outside the window when playing in windowed mode? |
| 10:02.01 | batrick | that's not it |
| 10:02.03 | Arrowmaster | enable hardware cursor |
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| 10:02.39 | Arrowmaster | or reduce draw distance or something (heard something about that from wine troubeshooting pages) its a bug introduced with 3.0.8 |
| 10:03.28 | batrick | hardware cursor isn't available (grayed out) |
| 10:03.48 | Thunder_Child | use windows |
| 10:04.15 | batrick | I'll stop playing wow first |
| 10:04.40 | Thunder_Child | so close minded |
| 10:05.00 | Thunder_Child | s/close/closed/ |
| 10:05.22 | batrick | i think using the operating system for which wow wasn't designed makes me _not_ closed minded?? |
| 10:06.01 | Thunder_Child | no, refusing to use an OS to play a game because you hate said OS |
| 10:06.08 | batrick | I assume other wine users aren't having this problem? |
| 10:06.56 | Arrowmaster | no they are |
| 10:06.58 | Arrowmaster | everybody is |
| 10:07.04 | Tekkub | wine wine wine |
| 10:07.08 | Tekkub | that's all it ever ie |
| 10:07.10 | Tekkub | *is |
| 10:07.38 | batrick | Thunder_Child: are you some windows fanboi or something? |
| 10:08.14 | Tekkub | ya know, I've had about enough of that on the wowace win7 thread |
| 10:08.29 | Tekkub | don't start that shit here or I'll make cair get all PMS oh your ass |
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| 10:08.45 | Thunder_Child | batrick, no, but i think it's silly to bycott it in this manner |
| 10:09.05 | batrick | I don't use windows for very real reasons |
| 10:09.09 | Thunder_Child | tbh i would go something else if the games were made native for more os's |
| 10:09.11 | batrick | and I won't play a game that requires I use it |
| 10:09.38 | Thunder_Child | it doesnt require it, it simply makes it better |
| 10:09.39 | Tekkub | that's pretty well the definition of "closed minded" right there ya know |
| 10:09.42 | Thunder_Child | easier |
| 10:09.51 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, me? |
| 10:09.55 | Tekkub | no |
| 10:09.56 | batrick | I disagree, the system specifications are very clear about the windows requirement |
| 10:10.47 | Tekkub | the req's list windows and mac |
| 10:10.48 | Thunder_Child | did i miss something in wow's req spec's? |
| 10:11.16 | batrick | Well, using this definition (when, funnily enough, close minded is not a word): http://www.thefreedictionary.com/close-minded |
| 10:11.25 | batrick | I don't satisfy either requirement |
| 10:11.37 | batrick | This isn't about others' beliefs, it's about mine, and I have used windows so it isn't new |
| 10:11.40 | End | I don't think it's much different from refusing to buy a particular console :P |
| 10:11.45 | WobWork | maxtor, seagate or western digital? |
| 10:11.49 | batrick | so why don't you both stfu |
| 10:12.13 | Tekkub | Wob, yes, yes, no |
| 10:12.29 | Tekkub | although the first two are the same thing |
| 10:13.03 | WobWork | cool, ta Tek |
| 10:13.41 | Tekkub | I'm very CLOSED MINDED about WD, I'll never use their stuff |
| 10:13.54 | batrick | very subtle |
| 10:14.03 | Tekkub | Maxtor, since absorbing Quantum, was some good shit |
| 10:14.16 | Tekkub | and I think that seagate's picked up on that goodness too |
| 10:14.53 | Tekkub | pre-quantum maxtor was shit though |
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| 10:16.01 | End | I'll the maxtor drives I ever used was pre-quantum |
| 10:16.03 | End | All* |
| 10:16.14 | End | so I guess that explains why I never buy maxtor drives |
| 10:16.16 | Tekkub | I'm so sorry |
| 10:16.47 | Tekkub | yea, they were some flimsy crap, you could put a bit of pressure on the top panel and get it to touch the platter |
| 10:17.03 | Tekkub | quantum drives were like friggin bricks |
| 10:17.42 | End | yeah, I heard quantum drives were -really- good |
| 10:18.03 | Tekkub | I think I still have one or two around :) |
| 10:18.37 | Kirov | I have a WD drive in my new computer |
| 10:18.41 | Kirov | Wish I didn't. |
| 10:19.20 | Kirov | The reviews note how quiet this drive is, the damn this is fucking loud. |
| 10:19.32 | End | I have a few WD drives, and they seem to fine. |
| 10:19.38 | Kirov | (compared to the Seagate I've used for the last 6 years) |
| 10:20.04 | Kirov | I use Seagate drives at work too, and you can't hear them at all. |
| 10:20.30 | Kirov | This one while "quiet" sounds like a ball pin hammer hitting a block of wood |
| 10:20.43 | Tekkub | heh |
| 10:21.21 | Tekkub | I remember buying a WD drive back in the days when people were hitting the, what was it, 8GB limit on BIOS's? |
| 10:21.25 | Kirov | Flying around Dalaran it's like someone playing desk drums next to me. |
| 10:21.40 | Tekkub | it wanted me to do all sorts of convoluted shit... |
| 10:21.49 | Tekkub | mind you, my BIOS didn't have the limit |
| 10:21.59 | Kirov | Tekkub - The last WD drive I had hit the 2GB limit my bios had. |
| 10:22.07 | Kirov | (and it died in 1 week) |
| 10:22.10 | Tekkub | and like 1/6 of the drive was hidden away as some sort of recover partition... |
| 10:22.23 | Tekkub | this was a new empty drive, not some prebuilt computer |
| 10:22.46 | Tekkub | and Trey's being bitchy, gotta go to bed |
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| 10:27.19 | amro | batrick: yep same problem |
| 10:27.24 | amro | cursor disappears when it's not over terrain |
| 10:27.31 | amro | just look down at the ground when you need it |
| 10:30.53 | batrick | ok thanks amro |
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| 11:02.47 | Kirov | amro / batrick - tried turning off hardware cursor? |
| 11:02.53 | Kirov | (in video options) |
| 11:05.23 | Lenz | Is there any current way to get Pitbull's raid frame working? |
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| 11:22.58 | batrick | Kirov: hardware cursor can't even be turned on for me |
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| 11:39.45 | amro | Kirov: yep not available. are you running in d3d? |
| 11:40.04 | Kirov | i am |
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| 11:43.21 | amro | Kirov: wine? |
| 11:44.22 | Kirov | vista |
| 11:45.46 | amro | ah :) wine here |
| 11:47.56 | bleeter | hmmmm |
| 11:49.26 | bleeter | amro: matter of curiosity. distro, desktop manager, video and audio cards? |
| 11:49.47 | bleeter | I suspect I asked before, but this now has direct relevance to a convo I had with a bloke from HappyPenguin.org last week |
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| 12:10.39 | amro | bleeter: ubuntu, gdm atm, geforce 9800GTX+ and euh |
| 12:10.43 | amro | something integrated for audio |
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| 12:19.23 | haste | http://beverpung.net/images/games/wow/temp/WoWScrnShot_012509_131604.jpg D: |
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| 12:20.11 | bleeter | amro: i'm toying with the idea of 'trying' to get a 'Wine-nix' started, heavily stripped down distro of some type |
| 12:21.04 | bleeter | the linux.conf.au chat was more general about gaming on linux and how it's profile can get increased, the discussion came around to gaming distros and I mentioned if anyone had contemplated a wine targetted distro |
| 12:22.15 | bleeter | I'm just trying to recall what folks in here run ;) |
| 12:22.28 | amro | I run ubuntu because I cba to learn a new packaging system |
| 12:23.51 | bleeter | <3 PackageKit |
| 12:24.43 | bleeter | only to save me from having to learn different package management. still a PITA to create packages though :/ |
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| 12:33.04 | amro | bleeter: what distro do you use? |
| 12:33.16 | bleeter | at the moment using F10 |
| 12:33.34 | amro | is it stable any? |
| 12:33.53 | bleeter | It's Fedora, it's a development distro.. so... by definition.. no ;) |
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| 12:38.45 | bleeter | http://phlog.net/entry/1162232 |
| 12:40.19 | amro | nice timing |
| 12:40.45 | amro | re the wine-distro... I'm not sure what you would do differently from other distros |
| 12:40.54 | amro | there's just sound and video drivers to setup, and wine |
| 12:42.07 | [dRaCo] | get rid of anything not needed for gaming |
| 12:42.43 | bleeter | pretty much |
| 12:42.55 | bleeter | i'd even be tempted to remove USB hotplugging until the kernel's fixed for it |
| 12:43.19 | [dRaCo] | USB might be useful for gaming, though :P |
| 12:43.27 | bleeter | and... for the knobber value of creating my own distro |
| 12:43.34 | amro | haha |
| 12:43.48 | bleeter | [dRaCo]: sure, but when the interrupt fires and screws your PvP over for 1.5 seconds... ;) |
| 12:44.02 | [dRaCo] | good point |
| 12:44.25 | [dRaCo] | maybe add a tool or something to switch it on and off? |
| 12:44.27 | bleeter | though from the conference talk this week that should be fixed in a couple of months.. it's still a reasonable example of what to get rid of |
| 12:44.31 | [dRaCo] | dunno if thats possible, though |
| 12:44.36 | amro | I can see one advantage, making wine packages from git, and providing details about which games work |
| 12:44.53 | amro | as well as warnings about regressions |
| 12:45.00 | bleeter | being able to control kernel, X, X driver and wine version |
| 12:45.08 | bleeter | and alsa/pulse whatever |
| 12:45.20 | amro | not use pulse :) |
| 12:45.22 | bleeter | which is probably the BIG thing that commercial game companies get real shitty about |
| 12:45.23 | amro | not using* |
| 12:46.08 | amro | I'm up for testing if the idea gets off the ground |
| 12:46.24 | bleeter | amro: pulse is OK if the alsa driver isn't already broken :P |
| 12:47.09 | bleeter | no, pulse isn't OK.. yes it is.. AARGH |
| 12:47.29 | amro | >< |
| 12:47.41 | amro | nothing wrong with pulse itself, it's just kinda new and tends to brek |
| 12:48.07 | bleeter | it shouldn't have gone into ubuntu |
| 12:48.07 | amro | I'd rather not use it until all issues have been ironed out |
| 12:48.20 | bleeter | fedora is a development distro, so I don't have a prob with it being there |
| 12:49.13 | amro | exactly it was far too early for ubuntu |
| 12:49.25 | amro | I'm not liking this new trend of trying to outshine everything |
| 12:51.55 | bleeter | I think it's a bit of Fedora envy.. Fedora is the test bed for RH, so it gets stuff real early and things... some properllorheads want new stuff but won't touch an RH 'originated' distro (even though that's not strictly true) |
| 12:52.10 | bleeter | and thus Ubuntu gets a bucket of shit thrown at it which it'd be a lot better off without |
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| 12:57.16 | bleeter | funnily enough, the only time a distro war even looked like starting up @ linux.conf.au, was when the keynote speaker from Sun (their licensing guy) mentioned RH's licensing model/s |
| 12:57.35 | bleeter | and they were both basically told to stfu and get back on topic :D |
| 12:57.42 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 12:58.01 | Adys | Im also only using debian-based distros |
| 12:58.05 | Adys | which means ubuntu |
| 12:58.19 | Adys | because debian fails hard if you want anything from this year |
| 12:58.24 | bleeter | so if I apply for this job at conical.. i'd have to stop talking to you |
| 12:58.43 | bleeter | Adys: I got all I wanted from Debian this year... lemme grab a photo |
| 12:58.56 | bleeter | actually, there's a buncha photos |
| 12:58.57 | Arrowmaster | all my debian boxes have been testing/unstable mix |
| 12:59.08 | bleeter | http://apcmag.com/in_pics_linus_torvalds_shaves_open_source_legend_down_to_size.htm |
| 12:59.12 | Arrowmaster | but its still outdated |
| 12:59.28 | Adys | I had to hack a bit with some ubuntu PPAs on my debian server |
| 12:59.42 | Adys | to get a bzr version that was NOT alpha |
| 12:59.53 | Arrowmaster | im actually perty sure that what i had been using as my server until the harddrive died probably wouldnt even run unbuntu server |
| 12:59.56 | Adys | the one on etch/stable is 0.2 or something |
| 13:00.02 | Adys | which is years old |
| 13:00.09 | amro | yep that's the downside to debian |
| 13:00.14 | bleeter | see we could make our own distro, and stop bitching hahaha |
| 13:00.15 | amro | on the other hand, very stable |
| 13:00.17 | bleeter | Wownix |
| 13:00.18 | Arrowmaster | etch has git 1.4.x.x |
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| 13:00.27 | amro | bleeter: a more inclusive name than that perhaps :P |
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| 13:00.42 | zenzelezz | bleeter: what makes you think you could all agree on what should go into that? =D |
| 13:00.43 | bleeter | Winix.. tough that's dangerously close to Weenix |
| 13:00.46 | Lothaer | hey guys |
| 13:01.23 | amro | bleeter: if nintendo can get away with it, why can't we? |
| 13:01.23 | bleeter | zenzelezz: I vote a kernel, an X server, X drivers, sound stuffs.. and.. erm.. vi |
| 13:01.35 | amro | I second that |
| 13:01.36 | bleeter | zenzelezz: though I bet you're going to insist on emacs so you're dropped from the project |
| 13:01.39 | Adys | sorry |
| 13:01.43 | Adys | bzr alpha is not stable |
| 13:01.56 | Adys | stable is bzr whatever you want |
| 13:02.01 | Adys | but not a pre-beta version |
| 13:02.13 | zenzelezz | bleeter: I wanted to learn emacs, but the freaking control key use... |
| 13:02.15 | Lothaer | what are we debating? |
| 13:02.30 | amro | scryers vs aldor |
| 13:02.33 | Adys | kittens |
| 13:02.40 | Lothaer | MATT DAEMON |
| 13:03.08 | amro | zenzelezz: same. it's just bad >< |
| 13:03.18 | bleeter | zenzelezz: I'm sure, somewhere, that WoW's keybinding is loosely based on Emacs.. so shouldn't be *that* hard ;) |
| 13:04.37 | zenzelezz | bleeter: it's the (apparent) amount of control+somethings you need to hit to do stuff that annoyed me; but beyond that the actual interface also sucked |
| 13:04.42 | bleeter | oh, the other thing from the conference... ack(1) > grep(1) |
| 13:04.56 | Adys | cant you change keybinds in emacs? |
| 13:05.03 | [dRaCo] | I'd add a browser to your list |
| 13:05.09 | [dRaCo] | just in case, you know. |
| 13:05.18 | bleeter | [dRaCo]: yeah, FF/Iceweasal and Empathy IM |
| 13:05.30 | zenzelezz | Adys: probably, but would I really want to remap all that functionality? Easier to just get a different editor from the start :) |
| 13:05.42 | Adys | right |
| 13:06.07 | bleeter | and a printing subsystem.. but all the other crud n foo.. bin it |
| 13:06.14 | [dRaCo] | dunno about the IM, there are lots of programs out there and everybody's got a favorite of his/her own |
| 13:06.20 | Adys | I suppose someone who would go through the trouble of learning emacs/vim would be willing to go through the trouble of remapping this |
| 13:06.50 | bleeter | [dRaCo]: empathy's the only one capable of multiprotocol/voice video |
| 13:06.53 | amro | vim is far easier to learn |
| 13:06.55 | zenzelezz | Adys: you must have missed the part where I said I "wanted" to learn it, not that I could be bothered to :) |
| 13:07.01 | WobWork | can anyone connect to: http://www.blackteaconsulting.com/journal/?p=116 |
| 13:07.02 | WobWork | ? |
| 13:07.14 | zenzelezz | no |
| 13:07.28 | WobWork | ta |
| 13:07.28 | Adys | the day I stopped worrying about using different keyboard layouts, getting used to weird maps and shit "because some psychologist on drugs thinks its easier in the long term" |
| 13:07.34 | Adys | and made my own keyboard layout |
| 13:07.35 | Arrowmaster | vim is really easy to get by with very limited knowledge |
| 13:08.01 | WobWork | You can get by quite a bit with only a limited subset of available keybindings |
| 13:08.10 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: but scary as fuck when you accidentally end up editing your /etc/fstab and don't know how to exit |
| 13:08.16 | amro | start by using gvim to learn |
| 13:08.20 | Arrowmaster | :q! |
| 13:08.43 | Arrowmaster | i think emacs is wrost on the scary part though |
| 13:08.52 | Arrowmaster | i still dont even know how to get out of emacs |
| 13:08.55 | bleeter | zenzelezz: nothing in *nix is scary after you've had to edit a 64k+ sized sendmail.cf using an on disk hex editor! |
| 13:09.07 | Adys | Arrowmaster: see the button on the side of your computer tower? |
| 13:09.11 | Adys | use that |
| 13:09.12 | amro | bleeter: bare minimum to run wine+3d accel, ff and empathy... beyond that those interested can grab a tarball and install from source I think |
| 13:09.26 | Arrowmaster | Adys: no i open another ssh connection and kill emacs |
| 13:09.29 | zenzelezz | the thing that probably really made me stop trying to learn emacs was that it seemed very focused on English keyboard layouts; which for special characters can be quite different from Norwegian layout |
| 13:09.46 | zenzelezz | "so what do *I* have to push to get this to trigger..." |
| 13:09.55 | bleeter | amro: yup.. I'm also thinking about detecting available memory and 'offering' to run shizz totally outta RAM, too |
| 13:09.56 | Adys | zenzelezz: http://devcub.com/~adys/devrix.c |
| 13:09.59 | Adys | use it⢠|
| 13:10.22 | bleeter | I am also thinking of having a chocolate drink mmmm |
| 13:10.28 | Adys | I found a good place for the `´ keys the other day |
| 13:10.33 | Adys | I was excited like a little girl |
| 13:10.34 | amro | zenzelezz: something like ctrl-c, then type vim |
| 13:10.37 | amro | =) |
| 13:10.59 | zenzelezz | Adys: might work for you, but I actually like my standard Norwegian layout |
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| 13:11.10 | Arrowmaster | Adys: deadkeys? |
| 13:11.18 | bleeter | 00:10 < Adys> I was excited like a little girl << damnit where's an op when you need to /topic |
| 13:11.21 | Adys | Arrowmaster: altgr-shift-12345 |
| 13:11.34 | Arrowmaster | wow i didnt even notice them there |
| 13:11.37 | Adys | they're there because i never use them |
| 13:12.00 | Adys | the point of this layout is focusing on something youll never use in a decent programming environment |
| 13:12.08 | Arrowmaster | i see atleast 3 ~'s |
| 13:12.12 | Adys | yep |
| 13:12.16 | Adys | one's dead, two arent |
| 13:12.30 | zenzelezz | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/KB_Norway.svg -- I'm sure I *could* get used to different layouts, but as long as I'm happy with this I won't bother trying a different one |
| 13:12.43 | Adys | shift@ is the standard english tilde, altgr# is for easy mapping |
| 13:12.45 | Adys | #~% |
| 13:12.49 | Adys | i use this all the time |
| 13:13.03 | Arrowmaster | i just use a standard us english (internation) keyboard layout but with the deadkeys reversed |
| 13:13.23 | Adys | zenzelezz: start by moving the annoying keys in places that are less annoying |
| 13:13.28 | Adys | like altgrshift to get a tilde |
| 13:13.43 | zenzelezz | Adys: I don't find that annoying; tilde is a character I don't use often |
| 13:13.45 | Arrowmaster | sorry but i use ~ a lot |
| 13:13.49 | Adys | zenzelezz: windows? |
| 13:13.52 | Arrowmaster | ~= |
| 13:13.57 | zenzelezz | Windows and Slackware |
| 13:14.24 | Adys | the day I started using linux was the day my tilde key changed from being a 3-strike key |
| 13:14.26 | zenzelezz | even if I do need to use it, hitting alt-gr + ~ followed by space isn't exactly hard |
| 13:14.46 | amro | ~/ home dir! how can you not use it often? |
| 13:14.48 | Adys | also, shift1 for ! is horrible |
| 13:15.00 | Adys | shift3 for # |
| 13:15.00 | zenzelezz | why? |
| 13:15.05 | amro | so is devrix, minus ⢠|
| 13:15.27 | Adys | zenzelezz: do you ever work in any other language than lua? :P |
| 13:15.42 | Adys | because # and ! and = and () and / shouldnt be so hard to access |
| 13:15.43 | zenzelezz | PHP, C++, the odd bash script |
| 13:15.54 | Adys | php, you should have all the special chars mapped to the home row |
| 13:15.58 | zenzelezz | what's hard about accessing them? Are your hands the size of a 4-year olds? |
| 13:16.08 | Adys | hitting shift sucks |
| 13:16.12 | Adys | ()[]{}«» |
| 13:16.21 | Adys | that takes me half a second to write |
| 13:16.35 | zenzelezz | and how often do you write that sequence? |
| 13:16.45 | amro | «» fails |
| 13:16.49 | Adys | «» are the only ones i never use, and they're on a 3-strike |
| 13:17.00 | Adys | i use (){}[] hell of a lot |
| 13:17.33 | zenzelezz | personally I detest "home row" optimized layouts, but as long as I can stick to my no-latin1 then I'm not going to shout (too much) at those who prefer customs |
| 13:17.33 | Adys | also i wouldnt mind seeing your altgr map |
| 13:17.44 | Adys | i dont have ANYTHING on the home row |
| 13:18.01 | Adys | I got a normal qwerty layout with a french m |
| 13:18.10 | zenzelezz | well then I fail to see what you meant with "<Adys> php, you should have all the special chars mapped to the home row" |
| 13:18.15 | Adys | i was kidding |
| 13:18.28 | Adys | every special character i need is accessible with one hand |
| 13:18.32 | Adys | in case the other one is busy |
| 13:19.21 | amro | >< |
| 13:19.26 | amro | same deal with base qwerty |
| 13:19.36 | Adys | I'm pondering moving the m to its american position |
| 13:19.41 | zenzelezz | well it's easy enough to see we disagree about layouts, so I won't bother arguing that; it's merely personal preference |
| 13:19.44 | Adys | because i get a char more on the right side |
| 13:19.57 | Adys | zenzelezz: i dont see where you think we disagree |
| 13:20.17 | Adys | just saying you should move stuff where it makes sense to YOU and not try to adapt to another |
| 13:20.18 | zenzelezz | but I recently started trying KDevelop and find it to be less pleasant than VC++... so far. Perhaps when I get used to it more |
| 13:20.45 | Adys | you said it yourself, you have problems thinking "what do i hit to get this combination done" |
| 13:21.13 | zenzelezz | only when I use programs that are heavily based on English layouts and don't account for different layouts |
| 13:21.24 | zenzelezz | those that understand that my | key really is | are fine |
| 13:21.38 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 13:22.10 | Adys | zenzelezz: where is the @ key? |
| 13:22.12 | zenzelezz | I believe nano gave me some grief over some character(s?) a bit ago, let me see if I can remember what |
| 13:22.16 | zenzelezz | alt-gr + 2 |
| 13:22.21 | Adys | oh yeah |
| 13:22.28 | Adys | two hands to type @ |
| 13:22.40 | Adys | i used to think that was horrible |
| 13:22.53 | Adys | then i went on a trip to germany and saw there's worse |
| 13:24.01 | bleeter | folks don't know pain 'til they've worked in a data centre in belgium |
| 13:24.23 | bleeter | i only visited and it was enough to make me wanna chop my fingers off |
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| 13:30.20 | zenzelezz | I think the main reason I've stayed away from vim so far is because of a coworker who uses it... the way he uses it makes it a difficult for anyone else to follow what's going on and makes the program appear to be more of a pain than it is |
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| 13:37.48 | Nizomi | hi |
| 13:38.09 | Nizomi | any addons that parse combatlog or something, that would help me to get a good overview of each combat? |
| 13:38.21 | Nizomi | like a) who pulled, b) who killed what, c) maybe dps of the poeple? |
| 13:41.15 | [dRaCo] | dps would be recount |
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| 13:49.16 | Nizomi | [dRaCo]: well mainly the part of who the hell just pulled this would be interesting |
| 13:49.51 | mikma | What event fires when you logout? (that you can use to save the current location of your character in savedvariables)? |
| 13:49.57 | Nizomi | still i know no option for recount to let it separate the data into fightsß |
| 13:50.27 | mikma | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PLAYER_LOGOUT |
| 13:50.30 | mikma | i hope i can use this one |
| 13:55.52 | Lyn | http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169232 olol, i wanna create all of them on my ps3 XD |
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| 14:38.03 | Lothaer | sigh |
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| 14:57.09 | Lothaer | anyone here know if RatingBuster and LinkWrangler are compatible? |
| 15:00.34 | Arrowmaster | so that portal that opens up in dalaran to sholazar on the landing, it has the same graphic as the mara portal |
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| 15:38.20 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oMokuYOXCM |
| 15:46.25 | mikma | wobwork: haha |
| 15:47.13 | WobWork | and on that note, gnight =) |
| 15:49.42 | amro | looting all the mail takes longer than getting Elder title >< |
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