| 00:00.13 | cloudwolf | ?? for loops are called farming? |
| 00:05.59 | WobWork | Cover your eyes, children! He may change form at any time! |
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| 00:06.55 | Lunessa | humor++ |
| 00:07.07 | sylvanaar | irony++ |
| 00:07.12 | WobWork | ~humour |
| 00:07.19 | cog|work | http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/11/crucifish/ |
| 00:07.19 | WobWork | ~irony |
| 00:07.20 | purl | Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world |
| 00:07.35 | sylvanaar | classic |
| 00:08.58 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm going home. |
| 00:09.01 | Lunessa | Later all. |
| 00:09.03 | cog|work | \o/ |
| 00:09.09 | cog|work | fire plox |
| 00:09.11 | cog|work | ;) |
| 00:09.18 | Lunessa | kk cog|work |
| 00:11.32 | Shirik | sigh |
| 00:11.40 | Shirik | once again I spend an entire class with my laptop on inside my backpack |
| 00:13.36 | kd3 | ~failrik |
| 00:13.36 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:13.37 | Kirov | boring, or forget? |
| 00:15.46 | Shirik | Heh |
| 00:15.57 | Shirik | And apparently a few companies I applied to think I'm a canadian citizen |
| 00:19.28 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Your old insurance company wasn't Commerce, was it? |
| 00:20.04 | cloudwolf | im getting a .\AddOns\GuildChatAdmin\guildchatadmin.lua line 2: unexpected symbol near '[' |
| 00:20.15 | cloudwolf | local wordbank[1]= |
| 00:20.19 | cloudwolf | thats my line 2 |
| 00:20.22 | Shirik | that doesn't make much sense |
| 00:20.30 | Shirik | local wordbank; wordbank[1] = ... maybe? |
| 00:20.56 | cloudwolf | doesn't seem like it would make that big of a deal but i can try |
| 00:21.08 | Shirik | It would definitely make a big deal |
| 00:21.22 | cloudwolf | my line 1 is wordbank = {} |
| 00:21.23 | Shirik | "local wordbank[1]" is not a valid syntax |
| 00:21.29 | Shirik | Then what is the "local" for? |
| 00:21.30 | cloudwolf | * local wordbank = {} |
| 00:21.35 | Shirik | pl |
| 00:21.36 | Shirik | ok |
| 00:21.39 | Shirik | then never use local again |
| 00:21.45 | cloudwolf | ah |
| 00:21.46 | cloudwolf | ok |
| 00:21.47 | Shirik | you use the "local" keyword when you declare the variable |
| 00:22.23 | cloudwolf | ok thank you |
| 00:22.29 | cloudwolf | im still new to it heh |
| 00:22.46 | Shirik | we all were once :) |
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| 00:28.04 | Lunessa | cog|work: I assume you sent me all this metal for a purpose? |
| 00:31.09 | cog|work | no, i may have just been very confused |
| 00:31.22 | cog|work | time for home |
| 00:31.28 | cog|work | you can send it back if you want :P |
| 00:32.05 | procule | Is UnitIsPlayer("unit") like "is it me ?" |
| 00:32.11 | Kirov | Yes |
| 00:32.13 | Kirov | well |
| 00:32.14 | Kirov | no |
| 00:32.33 | Kirov | UnitIsPlayer() is to check if it's played by a human? |
| 00:32.46 | procule | well there's also UnitPlayerControlled("unit") |
| 00:32.49 | foxlit | to check that it's a player character |
| 00:33.33 | Kirov | I use UnitIsUnit(unit,"player") |
| 00:34.22 | Kirov | A mind controlled NPC will return true for UnitPlayerControlled, but not UnitPlayer |
| 00:36.04 | alestane | I believe UnitPlayerControlled() returns 1 for both players and their pets, but UnitIsPlayer() will only return one for the player themselves. |
| 00:36.31 | Kirov | Vehicles might also return 1 for UnitPlayerControlled |
| 00:36.31 | End | not for pet |
| 00:36.37 | End | oh wait |
| 00:36.38 | End | hehehe |
| 00:36.45 | Shirik | I just saw "Burris is In" flash on CNN's screen |
| 00:36.50 | End | now it returns 1 |
| 00:37.00 | foxlit | "Vegas"! |
| 00:37.00 | Shirik | someone please tell me this is a joke or something and it's not what I think it means |
| 00:37.08 | alestane | Your pet didn't exist until you landed. |
| 00:37.13 | End | yeah, I know |
| 00:37.14 | End | I R dum |
| 00:37.21 | cloudwolf | woo headaches! |
| 00:38.09 | WobWork | Shirik: perhaps it means that in the hip and with it crowd, everyone is Burrising |
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| 00:39.17 | cloudwolf | for each for loops i need an end correct? |
| 00:39.30 | cloudwolf | for x=1,number do blahblah end |
| 00:39.36 | kd3 | rofl |
| 00:39.41 | procule | [19:32.02] <Kirov> I use UnitIsUnit(unit,"player") <-- thanks i will use that |
| 00:39.47 | kd3 | fark: This year's flu shot doesn't protect against this year's flu strain. Again [Fail] |
| 00:40.15 | Shirik | Eh |
| 00:40.24 | Shirik | that's not really a valid statement, kd3 |
| 00:40.27 | Shirik | s/valid/fair/ |
| 00:40.29 | foxlit | cause and effect, kd3 |
| 00:40.44 | Shirik | The flu shot is generally one of two things (more of a combination of the two) |
| 00:41.01 | Shirik | (1) It's last year's strain, and (2) it's predictions on what this year's strain(s) might be |
| 00:41.11 | Shirik | the flu mutates very quickly |
| 00:41.43 | Shirik | The flu shot is always either an outdated shot or a very educated guess of what might be needed in the shot |
| 00:42.20 | foxlit | Regardless, just by vaccinating people, you're affecting what strains they're vulnerable to |
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| 00:42.22 | mikma | cog|away: i want my 5 minutes back. give them to me now! |
| 00:42.36 | cloudwolf | nvm about my question i got my addon straightened out |
| 00:42.44 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: ping |
| 00:42.44 | Shirik | this is true as well, foxlit |
| 00:42.47 | Shirik | no |
| 00:42.47 | Shirik | not ping |
| 00:42.52 | Shirik | I'm not here |
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| 00:43.28 | mikma | shuss |
| 00:43.33 | mikma | he joined the channel |
| 00:43.37 | Shirik | what's up Mike-N-Go? |
| 00:44.05 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: Your addon HoldYourApplause is in the folder 'HoldYourApplause-v0.1 Folder' when I decompress it. |
| 00:44.25 | Shirik | oops |
| 00:44.30 | Shirik | how did that happen |
| 00:44.31 | Mike-N-Go | It does not work because there is a space and it is not the same as name as the .toc file. |
| 00:44.45 | Shirik | thanks, I'll fix that |
| 00:45.05 | mikma | haha, failrik |
| 00:45.41 | Mike-N-Go | :) |
| 00:45.47 | Aiiane | ~failrik |
| 00:45.47 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
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| 00:49.00 | foxlit | Things to write at some point in time: |
| 00:49.06 | Lopeppeppy | An opera!! |
| 00:49.12 | foxlit | * Mod that would convert all item stats into "awesomeness rating" |
| 00:49.19 | foxlit | And replace the original tooltip. |
| 00:50.12 | foxlit | So instead of all that text on [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker], you'd just see |
| 00:50.18 | foxlit | + 65 Awesome |
| 00:50.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:50.49 | mikma | foxlit: hah! |
| 00:51.06 | Shirik | if you want instant brownie points |
| 00:51.12 | Shirik | * Opera about Lopeppeppy |
| 00:51.29 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: http://www.twolumps.net/d/20081225.html |
| 00:52.06 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, Shirik, you sly devil! |
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| 00:52.24 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I cannot have rum until February!!! |
| 00:52.32 | alestane | February? |
| 00:52.52 | Lopeppeppy | *nod nod* Give my body a few weeks before I test the kidneys, the doctor says. :) |
| 00:53.05 | alestane | Oh, that makes sense. Kind of bites, but makes sense. |
| 00:53.26 | Lopeppeppy | Ya. These are the only ones I get, I rather like them to keep on working, ya. |
| 00:53.54 | alestane | Kat says thank you for warning her. |
| 00:54.08 | alestane | So she doesn't offer you tasty drinks you have to refuse. |
| 00:54.28 | Lopeppeppy | *sad nod* |
| 00:54.43 | Lopeppeppy | I might not get out to the con at this point, my finances are not gonna be well-balanced after tomorrow. |
| 00:55.14 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: the only "two", surely :) |
| 00:55.28 | foxlit | So, let's be honest here, you've never liked the left one. |
| 00:55.34 | Thunder_Child | see, not THIS is a good pun http://vivrepourlemeilleur.v.i.pic.centerblog.net/6mbo2xky.jpg |
| 00:55.41 | Thunder_Child | s/not/now/ |
| 00:55.51 | Thunder_Child | NSFW |
| 00:55.54 | Thunder_Child | ish |
| 00:56.11 | Lopeppeppy | foxlit, I might not like it, but it's mine and I'm keepin' it! |
| 00:56.15 | cloudwolf | is there a way to find words inside words? so some one types bandwagon and im searching for the word wagon |
| 00:56.16 | KarlKFI | thanks for clarifying after i clicked on it |
| 00:56.32 | Thunder_Child | i aim to please KarlKFI |
| 00:56.41 | cloudwolf | is there a way for it to recognize wagon from the word bandwagon? would that be a str pattern find? |
| 00:56.43 | KarlKFI | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 00:56.43 | purl | gives Thunder_Child a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 00:56.49 | Olorin | when using createframe... and you set inherit to another frame does everything get copied? width height etc..? |
| 00:57.04 | KarlKFI | beta copy of win7 amirite? |
| 00:57.14 | Thunder_Child | no, upgrades are free |
| 00:57.16 | Lopeppeppy | Only the best betas for you, KarlKFI. |
| 00:57.25 | cloudwolf | lol theres only like 100 thousand people who get to use the beta |
| 00:57.39 | KarlKFI | prolly has built in restrictions so you cant uninstall without losing data. |
| 00:57.47 | KarlKFI | and then have to pay for a licensed copy |
| 00:57.50 | Thunder_Child | i didnt have an issue getting the beta |
| 00:57.52 | cloudwolf | ANY way... |
| 00:58.02 | cloudwolf | is there a way to find a word inside a word? |
| 00:58.12 | KarlKFI | with your eyes? |
| 00:58.21 | cloudwolf | word is bandwagon program is lookin for the word wagon and the word wagon would be flagged in that word |
| 00:58.29 | cloudwolf | no im trying tomake an addon that does this |
| 00:58.48 | cloudwolf | so someone types in cock it goes bad word warning and i don't want to add another entry into my word database for cocks |
| 00:58.49 | Shirik | Read PIL on Lua patterns |
| 00:58.51 | cloudwolf | so pluralized words |
| 00:59.35 | cloudwolf | i'm thinking it would be strmatch |
| 00:59.52 | Shirik | http://www.lua.org/pil/20.1.html |
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| 01:04.43 | Gngsk | Tem, where can I find an update version of finder reminder? |
| 01:04.57 | Tem | no where |
| 01:05.23 | Gngsk | k |
| 01:06.18 | cloudwolf | >< brain drawing blanks... |
| 01:06.48 | NightHawkTheSane | yay bacon! http://www.geekologie.com/2009/01/move_over_baconcheese_roll_the.php |
| 01:07.20 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, better link: http://www.bbqaddicts.com/blog/recipes/bacon-explosion/ |
| 01:07.25 | cloudwolf | would strmatch(arg1,wordbank[y])==true work for an if then else statement? |
| 01:08.38 | cloudwolf | nighthawkthesane my arteries are clogging now XD |
| 01:08.47 | Thunder_Child | /vomit |
| 01:09.28 | alestane | cloudwolf: No. |
| 01:09.57 | cloudwolf | ok well i have no idea how the hell im going to do this then... |
| 01:10.02 | alestane | Just use "if arg1:match(wordbank[y]) then" |
| 01:10.34 | WobWork | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7823812.stm |
| 01:10.41 | WobWork | For those of you looking for a job... |
| 01:11.34 | cloudwolf | would "if strmatch(arg1,wordbank[y]) then" work? |
| 01:11.44 | alestane | That's the same thing. |
| 01:11.49 | cloudwolf | lol k |
| 01:11.55 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, nice |
| 01:12.50 | Lunessa | bacon explosion makes me hungry |
| 01:12.55 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, though it's a LIE! |
| 01:13.04 | alestane | I recommend string mathc, strmatch may be deprecated. |
| 01:13.10 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: howso? |
| 01:13.27 | alestane | string.match* |
| 01:13.39 | WobWork | also rofl: http://www.peta2.com/Sea_Kittens/index.asp |
| 01:13.53 | Thunder_Child | WobWorkL Exploring all the isles + blog, photo diary and vidoes > 12/month of work |
| 01:13.58 | Thunder_Child | s/L/:/ |
| 01:14.13 | Thunder_Child | err...12 hours/month of work |
| 01:14.15 | WobWork | You call blogging, work? |
| 01:14.16 | Arrowmaster | strmatch is wow specific |
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| 01:14.30 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, when you get payed to do it and have to...yes |
| 01:14.44 | WobWork | Well then clearly you are not for this job |
| 01:14.45 | alestane | Arrowmaster: I think strmatch was what the function was called until Lua 5.0 or so. |
| 01:14.45 | WobWork | NEXT! |
| 01:15.33 | Arrowmaster | not sure but 5.0's string.match is the current string.gmatch isnt it? |
| 01:15.41 | alestane | No. |
| 01:15.47 | Kirov | string.match and string.find |
| 01:16.41 | alestane | gmatch returns an iterator that iterates across all the matches in a string. |
| 01:17.31 | Arrowmaster | dont quite remember since it was years ago but i know there were a few string.* to string.g* i thought |
| 01:17.54 | Arrowmaster | i know the current string.match didnt exist in 5.0 |
| 01:18.32 | Kirov | 5.0 didn't have .match or .gmatch |
| 01:18.47 | Arrowmaster | oh it was gfind |
| 01:18.50 | Kirov | Only .find and .gfind |
| 01:18.51 | Arrowmaster | thats now gmatch |
| 01:19.11 | Kirov | in 5.1 .match was added, .find still exists, and .gfind was replaced with .gmatch |
| 01:19.22 | WobWork | Cairenn: http://www.peta2.com/Sea_Kittens/index.asp <-- You want to save the sea KITTENS don't you? |
| 01:19.44 | Arrowmaster | so yeah if 5.0 didnt have any match stuff i doubt strmatch was in 4.0 |
| 01:19.53 | Kirov | .find returns the location of the first and last part of the matched string with in the supplied string. |
| 01:20.07 | Kirov | (along with the matched string) |
| 01:20.25 | Kirov | .match and .gmatch (and .gfind before that) only return the matched string |
| 01:22.34 | WobWork | http://notalwaysright.com/and-on-this-farm-he-had-my-dinner/1436 <-- awesome customer service |
| 01:23.40 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, i am clearly right for that job since i know what people want |
| 01:24.35 | WobWork | meh, complain complain complain |
| 01:24.36 | Lopeppeppy | Moo, moo, baa baa, lalala |
| 01:24.53 | Thunder_Child | no WobWork, that is not what people want....thats what some want to do however |
| 01:24.56 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: People don't want to know about what's wrong with the island =P |
| 01:25.29 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, hey it's a job, i can hold off on the destructive side of me |
| 01:25.42 | WobWork | I dunno |
| 01:26.00 | WobWork | I'm sure it'll creep up into the blogs =) |
| 01:26.22 | Thunder_Child | nope! |
| 01:26.46 | Lopeppeppy | Beware! You are entering the Dragonmurk! |
| 01:28.10 | Lopeppeppy | Very dumb question... Is Onyxia's Lair still where it used to be? I haven't run over it in my exploring, and it's not on the list of areas to find for the Dustwallow achievement.... |
| 01:28.10 | ScytheBlade1 | The internet scares me |
| 01:28.10 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDedb1Kgjys&fmt=22 |
| 01:28.17 | Kirov | Yes |
| 01:28.27 | Kirov | It's not a "map" area |
| 01:28.36 | WobWork | instanced |
| 01:28.45 | Lopeppeppy | I think I just found it... it's kind of behind a picket fence now, isn't it? |
| 01:28.55 | Kirov | You can get the acheivement for a zone, but still have places to find. |
| 01:29.18 | WobWork | where pickets are GIANT FANGS OF STONE... yes |
| 01:29.21 | Kirov | Onyxia's lair is just a giant dragon head cave. |
| 01:29.41 | alestane | There are discoverable subzones that still count towards a single common block of the map. |
| 01:29.43 | Lopeppeppy | No, they put this huge fence around it now. |
| 01:30.26 | WobWork | "Beware of the Dragon"? |
| 01:30.44 | WobWork | "Whelp Rides: 50s" |
| 01:30.57 | Kirov | http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/b/b6/Onyxia%27s_lair.jpg? |
| 01:30.59 | WobWork | "You must be -this- high to get on this ride"? |
| 01:31.45 | Lopeppeppy | Kirov, yeah, but they moved it a few map pixels over to the west, and added a picket fence. |
| 01:40.53 | Olorin | if you make a frame and put a fonstring on it, then make a new frame and set it to inherit the first frame am I right in thinking that the fonstring isnt inherited also? |
| 01:41.27 | Arrowmaster | are you talking about making a virtual frame? |
| 01:41.56 | Olorin | not sure, I want to effectively be able to duplicate a frame and all its children |
| 01:42.22 | Arrowmaster | well you cant inherit anything but virtual frames |
| 01:42.24 | alestane | Preexisting or that you created? |
| 01:42.26 | foxlit | oh wow |
| 01:42.34 | Olorin | ive created |
| 01:42.39 | foxlit | This forum gold spam is massive :/ |
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| 01:45.06 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/spamtrap.xml << qq |
| 01:45.11 | Olorin | thanks arrowmaster, had feeling that I was probably trying to do somthing not designed to work that way |
| 01:45.14 | foxlit | It's not even a warcraft-related forum. |
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| 01:59.25 | Shirik | rawr |
| 02:01.24 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR |
| 02:01.41 | Olorin | poop |
| 02:02.16 | Olorin | when a lady wielding deformed ducks rawr's it not good |
| 02:02.55 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, not ever. |
| 02:03.56 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy likes to lay down the law |
| 02:03.56 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: January 12, 2009, 5:55PM PST. . We will be performing maintenance for all realms on Tuesday, January 13th. The downtime will begin at 3:00AM PST and end at approximately 11:00AM PST.. . Thank you,. . Blizzard Entertainment. . |
| 02:03.56 | Shiibot | January 12, 2009, 9:50AM PST. |
| 02:03.56 | Shiibot | Transfers for non-oceanic PvP realms will be closing on Monday, January 12 at 7:00pm PST as we have reached the goals for this transfer period. If you plan to transfer please do so before this time. Thank you for your understanding. |
| 02:05.23 | Olorin | law or lawmen? |
| 02:05.44 | Shirik | the law |
| 02:05.48 | Shirik | ever notice how Lopeppeppy plays a paladin? |
| 02:06.04 | Olorin | well im not on your server so no |
| 02:06.13 | Shirik | I'm not on hers :P |
| 02:06.34 | Shirik | however, one can always pray she will transfer ^_^ |
| 02:06.45 | Olorin | aww hehe |
| 02:07.11 | Shirik | Class at 9 AM until 8:30 PM is not fun |
| 02:07.34 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, Shirik that's very sweet. *blush* |
| 02:07.41 | Lopeppeppy | And yes, I do play paladins 90% of the time. |
| 02:08.24 | Olorin | my main is pally but now he's 80 im feeling bit burnt out |
| 02:08.32 | Olorin | so im fiddling with my addon code lol |
| 02:09.16 | Olorin | Lopepeppy ret or prot? |
| 02:09.25 | Shirik | why would she play one of those fail specs |
| 02:09.40 | Lopeppeppy | My main is holy. The baby I'm leveling is ret. |
| 02:09.45 | Shirik | ah |
| 02:09.46 | Shirik | play the ret one more |
| 02:09.48 | foxlit | the only good paladin is a hearthing paladin? |
| 02:09.49 | Shirik | don't steal my job :( |
| 02:10.15 | Lopeppeppy | :P I love to heal! |
| 02:10.22 | NightHawkTheSane | our (one :\) holy pally kicked ass the other night in naxx |
| 02:11.07 | Shirik | priests are the true healers |
| 02:11.09 | Olorin | ever tried DK peppy, after prot pally I didnt like it at all, though I did better with blood spec then went to frost and hated it, bearing in mind was playing solo and used to selfhealing in fight |
| 02:12.05 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not much liking my DK. I want to heal. |
| 02:13.02 | Olorin | I do however enjoy my shammy, kind bit of both although questing doesnt really allow you to easily make use of totems since your moving after each mob pretty much |
| 02:13.40 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, you dont really bother with totems when questing |
| 02:14.41 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: convince everyone else to be more like you! |
| 02:14.54 | NightHawkTheSane | srsly |
| 02:14.57 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik already is. He's trying to discourage me. |
| 02:14.59 | Olorin | priest lvl 12 is next on cards for lvling, two people called him 'gay' sigh well he is still wearing what looks like vest and underpants lol |
| 02:15.06 | foxlit | nerf Shirik. |
| 02:15.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i kinda wish i could convince our shitty dpsers to heal so i could do real dps. |
| 02:15.14 | NightHawkTheSane | but i suspect they'd make shitty healers too |
| 02:15.30 | foxlit | You should kick them and get an army of 200 death knight tanks |
| 02:15.36 | NightHawkTheSane | we already have that |
| 02:15.45 | foxlit | And raid with the said army |
| 02:15.46 | NightHawkTheSane | we make them dps and bathe in their tears |
| 02:15.57 | foxlit | Meh, abuse their 20 seconds of glory |
| 02:16.07 | Shirik | boooooo |
| 02:16.16 | foxlit | Taunt + IB + BS > next death knight |
| 02:16.24 | Shirik | Feature requested: 22-Aug-2002 |
| 02:16.36 | Shirik | Current status: Fix understood, request for enhancement |
| 02:16.41 | Shirik | wtb implementation! |
| 02:17.05 | kd3 | is that gnome's "put a different wallpaper on each screen" bug? |
| 02:17.28 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:17.29 | Shirik | no |
| 02:17.29 | kd3 | cause it's been on bz forever... and it's why I swapped back to xfce. >.> |
| 02:17.45 | Shirik | It's a Java request for a File.createTempDirectory() to supplement File.createTempFile() |
| 02:18.32 | kd3 | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147808 |
| 02:19.08 | Shirik | wow |
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| 02:20.05 | Mike-N-Go | ~seeen MrOBrian |
| 02:20.15 | Shirik | at least there's comments on it from 2008, kd3 |
| 02:20.43 | kd3 | ya. but... 4 years old... something that simple |
| 02:20.43 | Shirik | http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4735419 |
| 02:20.43 | Shirik | 2002, 2006, 2007 |
| 02:20.45 | Shirik | You would think that would be simple too ^! |
| 02:20.56 | foxlit | "and would like to see in the future" |
| 02:21.04 | foxlit | Closed: unfixable |
| 02:21.47 | Mike-N-Go | What can be done about receiving unwanted SendAddOnMessage()s, other then ignoring the person, getting them to disable the mod, or leaving the channel, or them/ you logging out? |
| 02:22.01 | foxlit | Nothing |
| 02:22.14 | foxlit | Why do you care? :) |
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| 02:23.24 | Mike-N-Go | Because one of my guildies has QuestGuru that is spamming me. 24,000 msgs from it in the last two hours. |
| 02:23.38 | foxlit | That's not a reason to care |
| 02:24.22 | foxlit | (though 3 messages per second is an awesome throughput) |
| 02:24.47 | Olorin | though a decent addon should check initially if no response then dont send anymore |
| 02:24.47 | Mike-N-Go | That is 3 and 1/3 messages a second. |
| 02:25.00 | Mike-N-Go | It is spaming through the guild channel. |
| 02:25.01 | Corrodias | i recommend requesting that the author add a feature to questguru to ignore messages from certain players |
| 02:25.16 | Corrodias | and also perhaps to fix whatever is causing the spam |
| 02:25.29 | Mike-N-Go | Updates on quests. |
| 02:25.40 | foxlit | but anyway, you, as a non-participant in this whole thing, stand to lose what? |
| 02:25.42 | Corrodias | that's an awful lot of updates per second for quests |
| 02:25.47 | foxlit | Miniscule amounts of bandwidth and processing time? |
| 02:26.14 | Corrodias | although i haven't played since 2.4. do quests in wrath go by at 3 a second? :) |
| 02:26.15 | Mike-N-Go | Updates about every 5-10 seconds. |
| 02:29.29 | Mike-N-Go | The thing is, it is in the guild channel, and I do not have questguru, I am using AddOnSpamFu. |
| 02:30.50 | foxlit | So your problem is that you have _another_ addon that tells you that you have a problem? :) |
| 02:31.52 | Mike-N-Go | Yah, the problem is this problem was not visiable to me until I got AddOnSpamFu =O |
| 02:32.07 | foxlit | Yeah, whoever is spamming that amount of data through wide channels is probably doing something wrong. Go whine at the author. However, your losses from this as an individual are probably so minor it's not worth bothering to do anything about it. |
| 02:32.31 | foxlit | Suggested solution: Delete AddOnSpamFu |
| 02:33.38 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 02:34.05 | AbsolutRayne | What is it about Mages |
| 02:34.07 | AbsolutRayne | That they dont listen |
| 02:34.09 | AbsolutRayne | ever |
| 02:34.22 | kd3 | hm? |
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| 02:34.47 | AbsolutRayne | I have 2 mages in my Guild. Theyre GREAT dps, usually in the top 3, but they dont ever, ever do what you ask |
| 02:35.04 | foxlit | Hint: you're probably on ignore :) |
| 02:35.06 | AbsolutRayne | My Fury Warrior does a better job breaking Webs on Maex than they do >_< |
| 02:35.20 | foxlit | Also, switching targets is a pain |
| 02:35.27 | foxlit | Your fury warrior can do it :P |
| 02:35.48 | AbsolutRayne | My fury warrior is about 420 DPS above them :/ |
| 02:36.01 | AbsolutRayne | 420-500, depending on the fight |
| 02:36.03 | foxlit | nerf your fury warrior :) |
| 02:37.35 | Lopeppeppy | foxlit, go to bed. |
| 02:37.42 | foxlit | can't! |
| 02:37.54 | foxlit | stuck in alternate reality where naptime doesn't start until 5 |
| 02:38.05 | Shirik | naptime is now |
| 02:38.22 | Mike-N-Go | It is past your naptime.. well, at least where I am at! |
| 02:38.30 | Shirik | I really need sleep |
| 02:38.36 | Shirik | but must finish thsi first |
| 02:39.01 | foxlit | Still getting the relevant number of hours, it's just really shifted towards sleeping late. |
| 02:39.24 | foxlit | http://xkcd.com/320/ might be the answer |
| 02:40.22 | kd3 | I did that for 2 weeks |
| 02:40.28 | Olorin | how do you define a frame as virtual in Lua, only examples I can find are in xml |
| 02:40.35 | foxlit | Olorin: you can't. |
| 02:40.55 | Olorin | booger |
| 02:41.35 | Olorin | can I hope that was just one of your after 3 unhelpful comments? lol |
| 02:41.36 | kd3 | the 28-hour day only really works if you can fool your internal clock. blackout curtains helped immensely |
| 02:41.56 | foxlit | internal clock took a christmas holiday and never returned |
| 02:42.29 | foxlit | which is probably what caused the issue in the first place |
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| 02:55.34 | Dezzimal | Is there any way to figure out who owns which Wyrmrest Skytalon in p3 malygos through a combatlog? |
| 02:55.47 | Dezzimal | I'm also curious how recount does it |
| 02:57.21 | Arrowmaster | theres a combatlog message when a player gains a pet that gives the pets guid |
| 02:57.27 | kd3 | target one, get it's guid and it's tag <Foo's pet> |
| 02:57.29 | kd3 | or that |
| 02:57.45 | kd3 | s/it's/its'/ |
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| 03:02.01 | Dezzimal | It looks like that event doesn't appear in the combatlog for the malygos encounter |
| 03:02.17 | kd3 | quick, to recount's source code! |
| 03:02.38 | Dezzimal | I see all of the pets gaining various auras, then all of the players are mounted and shooting flame spikes |
| 03:02.52 | Dezzimal | kd3: I need to be able to do this within a combatlog, but I guess it isn't possible |
| 03:03.09 | kd3 | so... figure out how recount does it? |
| 03:03.52 | Dezzimal | I mean I guess I could do that and then save all of the pet/player combinations for reference later |
| 03:04.12 | Dezzimal | but I would have liked to be able to pull it straight out of wowcombatlog |
| 03:08.28 | Arrowmaster | if those events dont exist in the combatlog then complain on the ui forums |
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| 03:15.17 | Tem | omfg |
| 03:15.20 | Tem | Malygos is cam clarke |
| 03:15.57 | Tekkub | omfg really? |
| 03:16.05 | Tekkub | ...who is that? |
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| 03:22.23 | Hjalte | Tem: Liquid Snake? |
| 03:23.48 | Tain | Hey Tekkub. I used TourGuide for the first time with a new DK. Holy crap the awesome can't be overstated. |
| 03:24.03 | Tekkub | isn't it though? |
| 03:25.17 | Tain | I don't know what I'm going to do when I have to start thinking for myself in Wrath areas. :) |
| 03:25.29 | Tekkub | ally or whores? |
| 03:25.34 | Tain | Whores, of course. |
| 03:25.59 | Tekkub | ah, yea I don't have a toon to test those on yet |
| 03:26.11 | Tain | Well, I can use the recorder |
| 03:26.14 | Tekkub | there's one guide out there, I don't like the way he does comments though |
| 03:26.16 | Tekkub | one sec |
| 03:26.41 | Tekkub | I have recordings, but I still want to playtest the shit so I know what's going on in the guide |
| 03:26.51 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 03:27.31 | Tekkub | http://github.com/Shugenja/ftdhorde/tree/master |
| 03:27.46 | Tekkub | seem to be decent guides, I just don't care much for the coord-only notes |
| 03:28.07 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 03:28.35 | Tain | But I also use LightHeaded |
| 03:28.40 | Tain | So there's a little more help |
| 03:29.31 | End | fuck lag on thaddius |
| 03:30.21 | kd3 | ah, memories of naxx40 |
| 03:30.40 | kd3 | something tells me those aren't going to be going away until the ulduar raid in 3.1 finally shows |
| 03:30.49 | Thunder_Child | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=2839 |
| 03:33.42 | End | well |
| 03:33.59 | End | we actually go fairly lag free the first couple times, but that's when people are dying because they're dumb |
| 03:34.24 | Thunder_Child | >.< http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=1815 |
| 03:34.25 | End | but then we have like two polarity changes in a row |
| 03:34.33 | End | with noone dying... |
| 03:34.38 | End | and then oh noes fucking lag |
| 03:35.15 | End | so I dunno, maybe we should move our raids earlier or something |
| 03:35.37 | kd3 | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=1338 <3 |
| 03:38.33 | Thunder_Child | the person asking the question should be shot....or taught....either or http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=6165 |
| 03:42.30 | kd3 | win: http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=2207 |
| 03:45.16 | Tewan | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=4911 |
| 03:45.17 | Tewan | heh |
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| 03:49.59 | Tewan | Oh, nice |
| 03:50.06 | Tewan | explorer.exe locked up |
| 03:50.11 | Tewan | but UltraMon's taskbar works fine |
| 04:06.47 | Thunder_Child | Tewan, $40/1 and $20/year is not worth that software |
| 04:06.47 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: January 12, 2009, 7:50PM PST. |
| 04:06.47 | Shiibot | Free character moves to Drak'Tharon and Tortheldrin are now closed. Oceanic PvP transfers to Gundrak will remain available until Thursday, January 15, 7:00 am AEDT; and U.S. PvE transfers to Garrosh will remain available until Wednesday, January 14, 6:00 pm PST provided our transfer goals are not met before these times. We recommend that those wishing to transfer to do so as soon as possible. |
| 04:06.47 | Shiibot | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.54 | Tewan | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=4290 |
| 04:11.11 | Tewan | oh yeah |
| 04:11.15 | Tewan | Tortheldrin has a queue now |
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| 04:28.24 | Cairenn | thanks all - it was my birthday yesterday (11th) |
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| 04:30.02 | Thunder_Child | well that was random |
| 04:32.54 | Cairenn | not completely - I was responding to people's comments from earlier in the day, since I've been out all day :p |
| 04:33.36 | Thunder_Child | oh...well it was odd the way you said it |
| 04:39.02 | WobWork | Cairenn: did you want to save the SEA KITTENS? |
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| 04:47.19 | MeStinkBAD | PRIVMSG Too many recipients. Only 1 processed |
| 04:51.23 | Cairenn | WobWork: heh |
| 04:53.14 | NightHawkTheSane | http://e-merl.com/2008-05-13-creation |
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| 05:16.47 | Amarande | Evening :) |
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| 05:27.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Why? |
| 05:27.47 | Thunder_Child | it's taking over 15GB of space |
| 05:27.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Except for the part where it isn't |
| 05:28.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Those are mostly hard links that explorer counts |
| 05:28.02 | Thunder_Child | i know it's hard linking |
| 05:28.08 | Thunder_Child | i'm not using explorer |
| 05:32.00 | Thunder_Child | so yes, i hate my winsxs file |
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| 05:34.15 | rapidgame | hey guys |
| 05:36.15 | rapidgame | i've got a few questions if anyones able to answer ;-) |
| 05:36.33 | Tem | ~asktoask |
| 05:36.34 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 05:36.41 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: what is it? mines only using 50mb |
| 05:39.10 | rapidgame | wondering what the best way to start creating addons is haha, probably a bit of a silly question. I know some people say to just look at other addons for examples, but im not sure between things like Ace3, Rock, LDB etc... whats the benifit of them/which one should i use? |
| 05:39.45 | rapidgame | ^^ oh, this is my first time on IRC - so soz if i dont know the general practises ;-) |
| 05:39.49 | Tem | none to begin with with |
| 05:40.12 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, what is what? |
| 05:40.34 | Arrowmaster | WinSxS |
| 05:40.36 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, http://blog.tiensivu.com/aaron/archives/1306-Demystifying-the-WinSxS-directory-in-Windows-XP,-Vista-and-Server-20032008.html |
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| 05:41.09 | rapidgame | well, i've done some basic lua stuff but i want to get into the more advanced things (like using libs etc) and i was just looking for some advice on what to look at/read up on |
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| 05:41.44 | Thunder_Child | ~pil |
| 05:41.45 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 05:44.12 | rapidgame | yep, had a look at that already lol, do you get these kind of questions often... i was thinking purl was a real person haha, but is it a bot called by the ~? |
| 05:44.28 | Thunder_Child | correcnt |
| 05:44.32 | Thunder_Child | correct* |
| 05:44.39 | Thunder_Child | also goes by infobot in some channels |
| 05:45.01 | rapidgame | what addons do you work with Thunder? |
| 05:45.06 | Thunder_Child | ~wowprograming |
| 05:45.09 | Thunder_Child | i dont |
| 05:45.18 | Thunder_Child | i'm just a lackabout |
| 05:45.19 | Arrowmaster | the debian channel has dpkg, the git channel has Gitbot |
| 05:45.25 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 05:45.26 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 05:45.34 | Arrowmaster | helps to have the 2nd m |
| 05:45.39 | Thunder_Child | shhhh |
| 05:45.58 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, are those other offshots of blootbot? |
| 05:46.06 | rapidgame | that up to date with things like using curseforge, rock or ace etc? |
| 05:46.07 | Arrowmaster | not sure but i doubt it |
| 05:46.25 | Arrowmaster | they do more advanced things |
| 05:46.28 | Thunder_Child | well then 'tisint what i was talking about then |
| 05:47.16 | rapidgame | i was thinking about getting that but i live in NZ a shippings a killer haha, would if it was downloadable through amazon, but it doesnt seem to be |
| 05:47.54 | rapidgame | Arrow, you write addons? |
| 05:48.00 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 05:48.23 | rapidgame | what ones do you work on? |
| 05:48.37 | Arrowmaster | many |
| 05:49.21 | rapidgame | lol, quite closed responses haha. whats ur favourite? |
| 05:49.46 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 05:50.11 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Arrowmaster |
| 05:50.11 | purl | cats /dev/urandom into Arrowmaster's ear |
| 05:50.22 | Arrowmaster | ive worked on more addons than i can remember |
| 05:50.36 | rapidgame | latest? |
| 05:50.51 | Arrowmaster | latest, TrainWhistle |
| 05:51.56 | Amarande | hmm |
| 05:52.03 | Amarande | now to decide the right set of bags to buy for a bank alt ... |
| 05:52.15 | Thunder_Child | the largest |
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| 05:52.44 | Amarande | second largest, I suppose |
| 05:52.51 | Amarande | since gigantiques would come to 13200 g |
| 05:53.13 | Amarande | and at THAT point you're better off buying guild signatures to make a gbank :) |
| 05:53.14 | Thunder_Child | whats a meer 13200g |
| 05:53.28 | rapidgame | lol |
| 05:53.44 | Amarande | I mean, would you recommend buying any specialty bags? |
| 05:54.07 | Thunder_Child | well personaly i would make them, but yes |
| 05:58.22 | Shirik | so um |
| 05:58.28 | Shirik | Red Alert 3 is actually kinda awesome |
| 05:58.34 | Shirik | though admittedly I haven't played RA1/2 |
| 05:58.36 | Amarande | Resist the EA! |
| 05:58.40 | Shirik | That being said |
| 05:58.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you actually play it through |
| 05:58.42 | Shirik | EA's servers are shit |
| 05:58.43 | rapidgame | haha, RA1 and 2 were awesome |
| 05:58.51 | ScytheBlade1 | And it goes from awesome to.... way overdone and somewhat uninspired |
| 05:58.55 | rapidgame | RIP westwood |
| 05:59.03 | Shirik | There is no LAN play available, you ALWAYS have to go to EA's server |
| 05:59.17 | Shirik | and EA's servers disconnect you every 5 minutes and 90% of the connection attempts with your friends fail |
| 05:59.29 | Shirik | once you actually get in a game, you're fine since you're off EA's servers then |
| 05:59.37 | Shirik | but while you're on them, |
| 05:59.38 | Shirik | omg |
| 06:01.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I played through all of the campaigns |
| 06:01.27 | ScytheBlade1 | It was... entertaining at first |
| 06:01.29 | Shirik | I've gone through soviet |
| 06:01.38 | ScytheBlade1 | But ultimately incredibly easy no matter the difficulty slider |
| 06:01.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Amazing amounts of chese |
| 06:01.45 | ScytheBlade1 | And somewhat boring |
| 06:01.48 | ScytheBlade1 | *cheese |
| 06:01.51 | Shirik | the AI is pretty stupid |
| 06:02.01 | Shirik | but fuck nukes, seriously |
| 06:02.13 | Shirik | the little nukes that parachute onto you |
| 06:02.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Not so much the AI as just how the game is structured |
| 06:02.21 | Shirik | and you can shoot them down but if you do that THEY ONLY FALL FASTER |
| 06:02.24 | ScytheBlade1 | .......... wow, you're terrible |
| 06:02.34 | Shirik | No, I see serious problems with the AI |
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| 06:02.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Well sure |
| 06:02.42 | ScytheBlade1 | But that's not the real problem |
| 06:02.47 | Shirik | such as the mobs that like to go back and forth because they try to attack then see your defenses and then run away |
| 06:02.53 | Shirik | and then they come back |
| 06:02.55 | Shirik | and run away |
| 06:02.59 | Shirik | and then they come back |
| 06:03.01 | ScytheBlade1 | When I can walk in and beat the game without losing a single mission - IN AN RTS |
| 06:03.06 | Shirik | haha |
| 06:03.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Just by cheesing the level design/units |
| 06:03.11 | Shirik | We lost one mission |
| 06:03.14 | Shirik | only one |
| 06:03.26 | Shirik | It was the damn mission where you start with only one unit |
| 06:03.30 | Shirik | and have to kill the emperor |
| 06:03.31 | Shirik | f that |
| 06:03.41 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 06:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | You're terrible |
| 06:03.45 | Shirik | my friend I was playing with was like "Just charge in there to distract them" and I'm like "I hate you" |
| 06:03.52 | Shirik | and I was like "there's no way that's going to work" |
| 06:03.56 | Shirik | he's like "just do it!!!" |
| 06:04.00 | ScytheBlade1 | You're both retarded, lol |
| 06:04.05 | Shirik | so I was all "fu" and ran in and then we died |
| 06:04.09 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 06:04.11 | Shirik | then we spent another 45 minutes trying to reconnect |
| 06:04.14 | Shirik | then we beat the level |
| 06:07.56 | NightHawkTheSane | nice streetview: http://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Julian+Street+Atlanta+GA+US&ie=UTF8&ll=33.773101,-84.409354&spn=0.014305,0.019312&z=16&layer=c&cbll=33.7731,-84.40925&panoid=BYqKUDAnZMkdfK_DkLS4zw&cbp=12,351.54019587969486,,0,28.50000000000003 |
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| 06:31.54 | sylvanaar | remsg, any update on the patch? |
| 06:32.07 | Tekkub | oh that was great... guildchat.... |
| 06:32.31 | Tekkub | "I just got [some purple crafted item], that's 1 down for [Epic]" |
| 06:32.45 | Tekkub | item's ilvl 200, achievement required 213+ |
| 06:32.51 | Tekkub | "[Epic] fail! |
| 06:33.03 | Zyndrome | apply palm to face |
| 06:33.04 | ScytheBlade1 | That's terrible |
| 06:33.18 | Tekkub | I know, but the timing was perfect |
| 06:34.26 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 06:36.29 | sylvanaar | lua> function f(...) print(...) end f "U" f { "U", "2" } |
| 06:36.29 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: U, table: 0x80a1e50 |
| 06:36.31 | Amarande | on the other hand, I'm only 3 items short now for [Superior] |
| 06:37.32 | ZorbaTHut | it's kind of funny that those have left-ring and right-ring slots, along with left-trinket and right-trinket |
| 06:37.43 | Tekkub | so now, you think next expansion they'll add new ranks to those? {superioror] and [Epicer]? |
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| 06:38.59 | Kirov | After that, Epicester |
| 06:39.46 | Zyndrome | or just raise the requirements for those achievements ... pre-expansion players keep it |
| 06:40.09 | Tekkub | that totally defeats the entire OCD point of the achievements |
| 06:40.31 | Tekkub | "Gotta achieve em all!" |
| 06:40.39 | Zyndrome | either way, people will bitch |
| 06:40.49 | sylvanaar | lua> function f(...) print(...) end function fu(a, ...) f unpack(a) return fu(...) end f {1, 2, 3} |
| 06:40.49 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'unpack' |
| 06:40.55 | Tekkub | true, but knowing blue, they'll add another rank |
| 06:41.11 | sylvanaar | lua> function f(...) print(...) end function fu(a, ...) f unpack(a) end fu(...) end f {1, 2, 3} |
| 06:41.11 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'unpack' |
| 06:41.40 | Tekkub | epic f(...) |
| 06:42.09 | sylvanaar | lua> function f(...) print(...) end function fu(a, ...) f a return fu(...) end f {1, 2, 3} |
| 06:42.09 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'a' |
| 06:42.41 | sylvanaar | it has to be a string huh |
| 06:42.51 | sylvanaar | lua> function f(...) print(...) end function fu(a, ...) f tostring(a) return fu(...) end f {1, 2, 3} |
| 06:42.52 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'tostring' |
| 06:43.02 | sylvanaar | lua> function f(...) print(...) end f "U" |
| 06:43.02 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: U |
| 06:43.19 | Tekkub | what the hell are you trying to do anyway? |
| 06:43.34 | sylvanaar | all the ways you can call a function |
| 06:43.41 | Tekkub | lua> f = print f "U" |
| 06:43.42 | lua_bot | Tekkub: U |
| 06:43.48 | sylvanaar | lua> function f(...) print(...) end f {1, 2} |
| 06:43.49 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: table: 0x80a1e30 |
| 06:44.37 | sylvanaar | lua> function f(...) print("call with: ", ...) end f {1, 2} |
| 06:44.38 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: call with: , table: 0x80a1eb8 |
| 06:44.48 | sylvanaar | lua> function f(...) print("call with: ", ...) end f 1 |
| 06:44.49 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: '=' expected near '1' |
| 06:44.55 | sylvanaar | string only |
| 06:45.03 | sylvanaar | or table |
| 06:45.14 | sylvanaar | lua> function f(...) print("call with: ", ...) end f "1" |
| 06:45.14 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: call with: , 1 |
| 06:45.16 | Tekkub | you mean for the "no parens" function calling? string or table |
| 06:45.53 | Amarande | yay, finally finished mailing things over to the bankalt |
| 06:45.54 | sylvanaar | yes i see that |
| 06:46.25 | Tekkub | the no parens syntax always feels wrong to me |
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| 06:46.45 | sylvanaar | i want to replace 'requires "modulename"' |
| 06:46.49 | Tekkub | ruby has it too, and it's verion is smarter... but it still dun feel right |
| 06:46.53 | sylvanaar | i wanted to make sure that i could |
| 06:47.05 | Tekkub | hrm... is requires a function? |
| 06:47.08 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 06:47.11 | sylvanaar | apparently |
| 06:47.13 | Amarande | hm |
| 06:47.14 | Tekkub | lua> print(requires) |
| 06:47.14 | lua_bot | Tekkub: nil |
| 06:47.14 | Amarande | is it just me |
| 06:47.20 | Tekkub | nil! |
| 06:47.20 | Amarande | or did they take most of the mailboxes out of silvermoon city? |
| 06:47.31 | sylvanaar | nil in your bot |
| 06:47.40 | Tekkub | one sex... |
| 06:47.45 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: can you not find 14? |
| 06:47.54 | sylvanaar | lua> requres "an attitude" |
| 06:47.55 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'requres' (a nil value) |
| 06:48.00 | Tekkub | >bin\lua-wow.exe -e "dofile([[C:\Program Files\SciTE-WOWInterface\lib\wow.lua]]); dofile('blah.lua')" |
| 06:48.00 | Tekkub | nil |
| 06:48.13 | sylvanaar | lua> requires "an attitude" |
| 06:48.13 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'requires' (a nil value) |
| 06:48.20 | Tekkub | blah.lua == "print(requires)" |
| 06:48.21 | sylvanaar | lua> require "an attitude" |
| 06:48.22 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'require' (a nil value) |
| 06:48.45 | Tekkub | ah, it's require, no s, and yes it's a function |
| 06:48.53 | Tekkub | function: 001F7620 |
| 06:49.13 | sylvanaar | lua> require "object" |
| 06:49.13 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'require' (a nil value) |
| 06:49.20 | sylvanaar | yeah, so its not in the bot |
| 06:49.23 | Arrowmaster | duh |
| 06:49.30 | Tekkub | lua> require "pants" |
| 06:49.31 | lua_bot | Tekkub: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'require' (a nil value) |
| 06:49.35 | Tekkub | I love you lua_bot |
| 06:49.41 | Arrowmaster | --> require |
| 06:49.42 | batbot | Arrowmaster: > nil |
| 06:50.16 | sylvanaar | arromaster = -NaN |
| 06:50.54 | Tekkub | wait... -NaN? |
| 06:51.01 | Tekkub | I think I broke my brain |
| 06:51.06 | sylvanaar | thats ok |
| 06:51.25 | Tekkub | is that like, "not not a number"? |
| 06:51.48 | Tekkub | lua> print(-true) |
| 06:51.50 | lua_bot | Tekkub: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a boolean value |
| 06:51.56 | Tekkub | BLAST! It's too smart |
| 06:51.58 | sylvanaar | lua> print(NaN) |
| 06:51.58 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: nil |
| 06:52.07 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: that used to crash it |
| 06:52.16 | Arrowmaster | lua> 1/0 |
| 06:52.18 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: inf |
| 06:52.25 | Tekkub | it did? kick ass! |
| 06:52.29 | Arrowmaster | lua> 0/0 |
| 06:52.33 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nan |
| 06:52.35 | rapidgame | lua> 0/0 |
| 06:52.36 | lua_bot | rapidgame: nan |
| 06:52.39 | rapidgame | lol |
| 06:52.47 | Tekkub | lua> =1/0 |
| 06:52.47 | lua_bot | Tekkub: inf |
| 06:52.58 | Tekkub | lua> -1/0 |
| 06:52.58 | lua_bot | Tekkub: -inf |
| 06:52.58 | rapidgame | lua> inf/0 |
| 06:52.59 | lua_bot | rapidgame: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'inf' (a nil value) |
| 06:53.01 | Tekkub | lua> -0/0 |
| 06:53.02 | lua_bot | Tekkub: nan |
| 06:53.16 | Tekkub | HA! There is no -nan |
| 06:53.17 | Arrowmaster | lua> 0/0 * -1 |
| 06:53.17 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nan |
| 06:53.22 | Tekkub | lua> -(0/0) |
| 06:53.22 | lua_bot | Tekkub: nan |
| 06:53.26 | rapidgame | nan? |
| 06:53.32 | sylvanaar | lua> print(nan) |
| 06:53.33 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: nil |
| 06:53.33 | Arrowmaster | not a number |
| 06:53.34 | Gngsk | that's not a number |
| 06:53.35 | Thunder_Child | lua> 0/inf |
| 06:53.36 | lua_bot | Thunder_Child: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'inf' (a nil value) |
| 06:53.40 | Tekkub | 1/(1/0) |
| 06:53.40 | Gngsk | one, jillion, dollars |
| 06:53.44 | rapidgame | not a number, oh thnx :-) |
| 06:53.45 | Tekkub | lua> 1/(1/0) |
| 06:53.45 | lua_bot | Tekkub: 0 |
| 06:54.06 | rapidgame | lol, 1/inf aint it? |
| 06:54.12 | Tekkub | lua> x=1/0 y=1/x print(y) |
| 06:54.13 | lua_bot | Tekkub: 0 |
| 06:54.26 | rapidgame | hmm |
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| 06:54.43 | Tekkub | someone should teach the bot basic calc |
| 06:54.47 | rapidgame | yeah lol |
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| 06:54.54 | Tekkub | 1/0 != inf |
| 06:55.06 | Tekkub | lim(1/x,x,0) == inf |
| 06:55.14 | rapidgame | haha i hate limits |
| 06:55.16 | Arrowmaster | lua> math.huge |
| 06:55.16 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: inf |
| 06:55.22 | Tekkub | actually... |
| 06:55.24 | rapidgame | lol |
| 06:55.27 | Tekkub | lim(1/x,x,0, 1) == inf |
| 06:55.31 | Tekkub | lim(1/x,x,0, -1) == -inf |
| 06:55.34 | rapidgame | lua> math.small |
| 06:55.35 | lua_bot | rapidgame: nil |
| 06:55.38 | rapidgame | aww |
| 06:55.47 | Arrowmaster | lua> pp(math) |
| 06:55.47 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: { ["log"] = function: 0x806e4e8, ["atan"] = function: 0x806e298, ["acos"] = function: 0x806e1f0, ["pi"] = 3.1415926535898, ["ldexp"] = function: 0x806e478, ["exp"] = function: 0x806e3a0, ["atan2"] = function: 0x806e260, ["log10"] = function: 0x806e4b0, ["rad"] = function: 0x806e5e0, ["deg"] = functi... (result truncated) |
| 06:56.05 | sylvanaar | sorry sNAN and qNAN |
| 06:56.29 | Tekkub | snan and qnan, the twinans |
| 06:56.33 | Zootfizzle | Hey guys |
| 06:56.40 | rapidgame | hey |
| 06:56.41 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Tekkub |
| 06:56.41 | purl | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down Tekkub's throat until Tekkub puts on 150lbs |
| 06:56.45 | Tekkub | Zoot! fix lua! |
| 06:56.46 | Tem | up late, Zoot? |
| 06:56.51 | Tekkub | it thinks 1/0 == inf |
| 06:56.54 | Thunder_Child | 11pm is not late |
| 06:57.26 | rapidgame | did you guys get "... 5e0, ["deg"] = functi... (result truncated)" as well, or was that an IRC thing? |
| 06:57.27 | Tekkub | WoW lua thinks it's 1.#INF |
| 06:57.28 | Tekkub | heh |
| 06:57.45 | cog|away | ding 80 |
| 06:57.49 | rapidgame | gratz |
| 06:57.55 | Tekkub | god damnit cog |
| 06:58.00 | Tekkub | this channel isn't for leveling |
| 06:58.03 | Zootfizzle | Anybody have a favorite color-blind UI fix addon other than ColorBlind? |
| 06:58.07 | rapidgame | ;-p |
| 06:58.08 | Thunder_Child | gratz cog|away |
| 06:58.16 | cog|away | ~lart Tekkub |
| 06:58.16 | purl | slaps Tekkub around with a large trout |
| 06:58.24 | Tekkub | Zootfizzle, what all you aiming to fix, just item link color codes? |
| 06:59.11 | sylvanaar | lua> function module(s,vis) print("LOL@"..s) end module "stuff" |
| 06:59.12 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: LOL@stuff |
| 06:59.12 | Thunder_Child | no Tekkub, he is aiming to fix THE WORLD! |
| 06:59.28 | Tekkub | KEY OF ZA TWIRIGHT! |
| 06:59.41 | sylvanaar | okey dokey |
| 06:59.45 | Zootfizzle | I'm aiming to fix what I can =) |
| 07:00.02 | sylvanaar | so we should be able to implement lua packages (w/o loading) |
| 07:00.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: them's dangerous words 'round here |
| 07:00.17 | Tekkub | <--- not colorblind, just focus-blind, so I'm not sure what other areas are trouble for people |
| 07:00.39 | Tekkub | money's got the icons on it |
| 07:00.43 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: we had a discussion earlier about how bad lua patterns were and that we need pcre regexp bindings in wow |
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| 07:01.04 | Zootfizzle | I think people are taking my statement out of context now. :P |
| 07:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 07:01.12 | Tekkub | are overhead names enough contrast to see red vs yellow vs green? they must be or people would have bitched by now |
| 07:01.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I told you it was something dangerous =] |
| 07:01.32 | Tekkub | I second the request for real regexps in lua |
| 07:01.37 | Arrowmaster | see |
| 07:02.26 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder how tough it would be to implement regexps within lua :D |
| 07:02.35 | Tekkub | someone already did |
| 07:02.42 | ScytheBlade1 | o_0 |
| 07:02.43 | Tekkub | I don't know how great it perfoms though |
| 07:02.43 | Arrowmaster | in lua? very, in c as a lua module, not very |
| 07:02.52 | Zootfizzle | Wondering about what else might be hard to discern if you were color blind could be more productive right now >> |
| 07:02.58 | Tekkub | true it may have been c-ish |
| 07:03.02 | ZorbaTHut | meh, they're just regexps |
| 07:03.06 | ZorbaTHut | they're not *that* tough |
| 07:03.10 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 07:03.12 | Arrowmaster | yes they are |
| 07:03.23 | Tekkub | Zootfizzle, scribe inks! :) |
| 07:03.27 | Zootfizzle | Ooh |
| 07:03.27 | Tekkub | but they got tips so... |
| 07:03.28 | Zootfizzle | Good one! |
| 07:03.43 | sylvanaar | lua> package.seeall = "global" function module(name, scope) print("Module Defined: "..name.. " with visibitlity "..vs) end function require(name) print("Requirment Added: "..name) end module("test", package.seeall) require "somethingelse" |
| 07:03.44 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'package' (a nil value) |
| 07:03.45 | ZorbaTHut | zoot, item qualities? difficulty colors for the quest tracker/mobs? |
| 07:03.50 | Tekkub | I guess the real aim should be items that have no text, or where the text color is important |
| 07:03.55 | Tekkub | i.e. quality |
| 07:03.57 | Zootfizzle | Yeah, I saw that ColorBlind was doing those |
| 07:04.17 | Tekkub | oh yea, quest tracker and tradskill levels |
| 07:04.19 | sylvanaar | lua:package = {} package.seeall = "global" function module(name, scope) print("Module Defined: "..name.. " with visibitlity "..vs) end function require(name) print("Requirment Added: "..name) end module("test", package.seeall) require "somethingelse" |
| 07:04.28 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 07:04.31 | ZorbaTHut | there's a lot of places where the color is semi-important, but in a lot of those it's duplicated elsewhere, like, say, class colors in the guild window |
| 07:04.41 | sylvanaar | lua>package = {} package.seeall = "global" function module(name, scope) print("Module Defined: "..name.. " with visibitlity "..vs) end function require(name) print("Requirment Added: "..name) end module("test", package.seeall) require "somethingelse" |
| 07:04.41 | ZorbaTHut | but you can just look at the bit where it tells you the class |
| 07:04.41 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: attempt to concatenate global 'vs' (a nil value) |
| 07:04.55 | Tekkub | class colors, for the most part, seem sto have good contrast |
| 07:05.17 | Tekkub | mob levels in the target frame also |
| 07:05.26 | sylvanaar | classcolors would be super fantastic |
| 07:05.38 | sylvanaar | lua>package = {} package.seeall = "global" function module(name, vs) print("Module Defined: "..name.. " with visibitlity "..vs) end function require(name) print("Requirment Added: "..name) end module("test", package.seeall) require "somethingelse" |
| 07:05.38 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: Module Defined: test with visibitlity global, Requirment Added: somethingelse |
| 07:06.01 | Arrowmaster | what are you doing? |
| 07:06.11 | sylvanaar | implementing lua modules in lua |
| 07:06.11 | Tekkub | again not sure if it matter cause of tooltips, but aura icons, specifically single-target buff vs group ones |
| 07:06.22 | Tekkub | thing fort, green and blue |
| 07:06.28 | Tekkub | s/g/k/ |
| 07:07.24 | Zootfizzle | Cool, thanks guys =) |
| 07:08.01 | Tekkub | is it sad that I'm trying to remember all the UI panels I never use so I can check their colors? |
| 07:08.26 | sylvanaar | wat about green/red colorblind |
| 07:08.53 | Tekkub | they get raped by aggro mobs a lot |
| 07:09.00 | sylvanaar | or xfaction |
| 07:09.00 | Tekkub | they've learned to trust no one |
| 07:10.20 | Tekkub | what about the PvP map blips? towers and flags and such |
| 07:12.14 | Tekkub | Zoot, not sure if you want to, but maybe toss the question to WoWInsider, they've got lots of users, I'm sure people who are *actually* colorblind know where things are lacking the most |
| 07:12.33 | Tekkub | s/users/readers/ ... stupid programmer brain |
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| 07:16.43 | Zyndrome | http://www.explosionsandboobs.com/ |
| 07:17.52 | Thunder_Child | needs better explosions |
| 07:18.21 | Zyndrome | reload the site~~ |
| 07:18.37 | Thunder_Child | did |
| 07:19.00 | Syzgyn | Best site evar. |
| 07:19.04 | Tekkub | not really impressed |
| 07:19.21 | Thunder_Child | i prefer my explosions bigger |
| 07:22.52 | Tekkub | the boobs waste space |
| 07:23.54 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.explosionsandboobs.com/boobs/ http://www.explosionsandboobs.com/explosions/ |
| 07:24.16 | Tekkub | 104 explosions? pathetic |
| 07:24.23 | Tekkub | mythbuster have more than that! |
| 07:25.17 | ScytheBlade1 | also sleep |
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| 07:28.49 | sylvanaar | lua>package = {} package.seeall = {__index = _G, __tostring="Global Visibiltity"} function module(name, vs) dbg("Module Defined: "..name.. " with visibitlity "..vs) local P = package[name] or setmetatable({}, vs) local _M = P setfenv(1, P) module("closed") print(package) |
| 07:28.50 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 07:29.27 | sylvanaar | lua>package = {} package.seeall = {__index = _G, __tostring="Global Visibiltity"} function module(name, vs) dbg("Module Defined: "..name.. " with visibitlity "..vs) end local P = package[name] or setmetatable({}, vs) local _M = P setfenv(1, P) module("closed") print(package) |
| 07:29.27 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'module' (a nil value) |
| 07:29.35 | sylvanaar | haa |
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| 07:30.44 | sylvanaar | lua>package = {} package.seeall = {__index = _G, __tostring="Global Visibiltity"} function module(name, vs) dbg("Module Defined: "..name.. " with visibitlity "..vs) local P = package[name] or setmetatable({}, vs) local _M = P setfenv(1, P) end module("closed") print(package) |
| 07:30.44 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: attempt to concatenate local 'vs' (a nil value) |
| 07:31.15 | sylvanaar | lua>package = {} package.seeall = {__index = _G, __tostring="Global Visibiltity"} function module(name, tostring(vs)) dbg("Module Defined: "..name.. " with visibitlity "..vs) local P = package[name] or setmetatable({}, vs) local _M = P setfenv(1, P) end module("closed") print(package) |
| 07:31.15 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: ')' expected near '(' |
| 07:31.29 | Tekkub | spammy spam spam |
| 07:34.00 | sylvanaar | lua>package = {} package.seeall = {__index = _G, __tostring="Global Visibiltity"} function module(name, vs) dbg("Module Defined: "..name.. " with visibitlity "..tostring(vs)) local P = package[name] or setmetatable({}, vs) local _M = P setfenv(1, P) end module("closed") print(package) |
| 07:34.00 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'dbg' (a nil value) |
| 07:34.07 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar: please take it to PMs |
| 07:34.12 | sylvanaar | sure |
| 07:34.17 | jnwhiteh | or do this in #luabot |
| 07:34.20 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 07:35.06 | sylvanaar | sure sorry to bother you |
| 07:35.16 | jnwhiteh | no bother to me, but possibly to other people :P |
| 07:35.18 | Tekkub | or run lua locally ^^ |
| 07:35.24 | sylvanaar | i am |
| 07:35.42 | Tekkub | a lil lua>ing ain't bad, but you're getting a lot of big stuff there |
| 07:36.02 | sylvanaar | thats fine - like i said -sorry to bother ya |
| 07:36.23 | Tekkub | now back to the fun shit |
| 07:36.29 | Tekkub | lua> 1/1/0/1/0/1 |
| 07:36.30 | lua_bot | Tekkub: inf |
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| 07:44.50 | rapidgame | lol Tukkub |
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| 07:45.25 | rapidgame | lua> (1/0) * (0/1/0) |
| 07:45.26 | lua_bot | rapidgame: nan |
| 07:45.50 | rapidgame | lua> /love |
| 07:45.51 | lua_bot | rapidgame: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '/' |
| 07:45.55 | rapidgame | awww |
| 07:46.12 | rapidgame | ;-) |
| 07:46.53 | bleeter | kd3, Cairenn et al: We are pleased to inform you that your presentation submission: "MMO Economics and Crime 101 - A primer on the new frontiers for organised crime." for the AusCERT2009 call for presentations and tutorials has been accepted. |
| 07:46.58 | bleeter | lololol |
| 07:48.17 | WobWork | bleeter: hehe grats =) |
| 07:51.58 | sylvanaar | want to see it work: |
| 07:52.04 | bleeter | WobWork: hehe thx |
| 07:52.23 | sylvanaar | lua>dbg = print package = {} package.seeall = {__index = _G, __tostring="Global Visibiltity"} function module(name, vs) dbg("\nModule Defined: "..name.." with visibitlity "..tostring(vs)) local P = package[name] or setmetatable({}, vs) local _M = P setfenv(2, P) end module("open", package.seeall) print("In Module: open") setfenv(1, getfenv(0)) module("closed") print("In Module: closed") |
| 07:52.23 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: Module Defined: open with visibitlity table: 0x80a31f8, In Module: open, Module Defined: closed with visibitlity nil, luabot:1: attempt to call global 'print' (a nil value) |
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| 07:54.20 | ReAn | wowwiki states that PLAYER_ALIVE is called after PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD on initial loadup, but does this happen if your character is dead? |
| 07:54.48 | Tekkub | what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 07:55.20 | ReAn | set a constant based on the talents of the character |
| 07:55.39 | ReAn | however currently the constant is only being set on /console reloadui |
| 07:56.00 | ReAn | because when PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD is called on the first load, the talent info is not availiable to the mod |
| 07:56.02 | Tekkub | use PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 07:56.22 | Tekkub | and you probably want to update on CHARACTER_POINTS_CHANGED |
| 07:56.36 | ReAn | yes, i will |
| 07:56.37 | Tekkub | if you don't, you won't catch respecs |
| 07:56.50 | ReAn | but Talent Info isn't availiable at PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 07:57.02 | ReAn | unless it's a /console reloadui |
| 07:57.02 | Tekkub | then points changed should fire when it is |
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| 08:02.09 | ReAn | hrm Tekkub: i guess PLAYER_ALIVE is called, even if you're dead |
| 08:02.27 | WobWork | http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/05/volkswagen-fight-ad-complaints |
| 08:02.32 | WobWork | that's a cool ad =) |
| 08:02.33 | Tekkub | hrm, points changed doesn't appear to fire |
| 08:03.04 | Tekkub | on login I mean |
| 08:04.34 | Tekkub | use UNIT_PORTRAIT_UPDATE |
| 08:04.45 | Tekkub | that's what the talent UI registers for |
| 08:04.45 | ReAn | Tekkub: PLAYER_ALIVE works |
| 08:05.00 | Tekkub | use PLAYER_LOGIN too, portrait doesn't update on reload |
| 08:05.19 | Tekkub | I'd still use what the default UI uses, personally |
| 08:05.43 | ReAn | talent ui dosen't need to know talent information until someone opens the window tho |
| 08:06.35 | ReAn | i need to know ASAP so i can change the gui visuals |
| 08:06.35 | Tekkub | btill that's what it registers |
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| 08:35.10 | Movix1 | how can i get the actual function stack ? |
| 08:40.37 | Movix1 | description = debugstack([start[, count1[, count2]]]) |
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| 09:06.30 | Thunder_Child | ~bed Cairenn |
| 09:06.31 | purl | ACTION tucks Cairenn into a warm bed. |
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| 09:10.27 | Thunder_Child | >.< FireFox's spellchecker tried to correct internet into INTERNET |
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| 09:14.02 | Zyndrome | internets |
| 09:14.52 | mikma | i has them |
| 09:15.05 | Thunder_Child | we all has them |
| 09:15.11 | Thunder_Child | thats how we are here! |
| 09:18.39 | Zyndrome | http://rumblo.com/cc/comics/cc-gogolbordello.png |
| 09:27.43 | |Jelly| | Reason to never pug Malygos: http://wowwebstats.com/ice63x3wudpom |
| 09:28.54 | Arrowmaster | i only recognize 2 names on that list |
| 09:29.10 | |Jelly| | Trust me, it's a good thing. |
| 09:29.26 | Arrowmaster | you and lucissia |
| 09:29.34 | |Jelly| | Some of them put up good numbers ... but I guess it wasn't meant to happen for me. |
| 09:31.55 | |Jelly| | That Samejima person ... horrible priest. |
| 09:33.58 | Arrowmaster | were they in all 17 attempts? |
| 09:34.08 | Kirov | I just joined a new guild, and our first 10 man was Malygos... basically a pug as most of the people had never met before. We downed him after 7 tries. |
| 09:36.01 | Zyndrome | |Jelly| : "carried by the rogue!" :P |
| 09:36.08 | Thunder_Child | |Jelly|, but that person only had a 4% presence |
| 09:45.01 | zenzio | Kirov: that's pretty good |
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| 09:49.25 | Kirov | Considering 7 of those 10 people hadn't ever downed Malygos, yes |
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| 10:05.30 | batrick | How can one tell if a companion or the spell id for the companion is able tof ly? |
| 10:07.28 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean mounts? |
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| 10:07.56 | batrick | yes |
| 10:08.00 | NightHawkTheSane | tooltip parsing |
| 10:08.30 | NightHawkTheSane | or creating a spellid database |
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| 10:13.04 | Kirov | I use tooltip parsing, but shaman complain about ghost wolf. |
| 10:13.18 | NightHawkTheSane | meh |
| 10:13.40 | NightHawkTheSane | speaking as a shaman, they can suck it |
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| 10:45.55 | linear | anyone know how to rotate a texture 90 degrees and cut off part of it based on a percentage |
| 10:46.04 | linear | i want to create a reversed vertical statusbar |
| 10:47.18 | zenzio | I imagine cutting it would just be a matter of SetTexCoord()ing, not sure about the rotation. Think there's some transformation functions for that |
| 10:47.48 | nevcairiel | SetTexCoord can rotate too |
| 10:47.52 | linear | yeah it is but i dont know how to do both at the same time |
| 10:48.10 | nevcairiel | that gets you back to matrix multiplications :) |
| 10:48.36 | linear | =( |
| 10:49.00 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowwiki.com/SetTexCoord_Transformations |
| 10:49.03 | nevcairiel | has all info you need |
| 10:49.28 | nevcairiel | of course, you should know matrix math |
| 10:50.21 | linear | i dont |
| 10:51.18 | linear | could anyone make a formula for it like the one on the bottom |
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| 10:58.17 | Sargeras | Dolby, your ZAM Wiki page is empty |
| 10:58.26 | Sargeras | why =( |
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| 11:05.55 | WobWork | Cairenn: http://www.threadless.com/product/532/Satan_s_Little_Helper |
| 11:06.53 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/69946510 |
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| 11:08.21 | linear` | whats the matrix math term to cut off a texture |
| 11:08.32 | WobWork | my god http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/68953253 |
| 11:08.48 | WobWork | Jim Davis did the "Yo Dawg" joke before even Yo dawg |
| 11:09.20 | batrick | where is the taint log? |
| 11:09.33 | batrick | or how do we turn it on |
| 11:09.37 | batrick | I don't see it in \Logs |
| 11:09.58 | linear` | is it called scaling? |
| 11:10.10 | nevcairiel | ./console taintLog 0-2 |
| 11:10.25 | batrick | thanks nevcairiel |
| 11:12.26 | batrick | I assume a level of 2 is greater verbosity than 1? |
| 11:12.36 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 11:12.39 | nevcairiel | alot of spam |
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| 11:37.09 | Kalroth | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/66434576 what the |
| 11:37.43 | sacarasc | heh |
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| 11:46.46 | frop | dello |
| 11:47.07 | frop | are you aware that wowace.com/projetc is down? |
| 11:48.00 | sacarasc | #wowace would be a better place to say, no? |
| 11:48.23 | frop | eheh, you're right, but i guess ppl in there are also here |
| 11:48.25 | frop | :) |
| 11:48.43 | nevcairiel | except that everyone that could do something about it is sleeping, i guess |
| 11:49.37 | frop | well, i'll try on wowace too |
| 11:49.40 | frop | ...is it needed? |
| 11:49.49 | frop | or someone has done already? |
| 11:50.00 | Arrowmaster | its known |
| 11:50.05 | frop | rgr |
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| 11:59.26 | Zxcvb | any news on how long everything will be down? |
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| 12:01.05 | WobWork | 8hrs? |
| 12:02.54 | frop | it's up now |
| 12:03.30 | frop | ehm, it was for a split second :) |
| 12:03.42 | Adys | he's talking about the servers |
| 12:03.59 | frop | ohh |
| 12:06.08 | Kalroth | No patch today :(( |
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| 12:06.27 | frop | tomorrow maybe? :P |
| 12:06.55 | nevcairiel | blue confirmation Kalroth? |
| 12:07.15 | Zxcvb | too bad, no cooldown on cloth sounds nice |
| 12:07.18 | Kalroth | no, but there's zero warnings for US servers and PTR is still up, no? |
| 12:07.33 | nevcairiel | well its an extended maint |
| 12:07.50 | nevcairiel | and warnings, you never get |
| 12:07.56 | Zxcvb | they are probably doing a full fsck as well |
| 12:08.09 | Kalroth | They run ext1, not ext2 |
| 12:08.13 | Kalroth | silly Zxcvb |
| 12:09.05 | Thrae | What runs ext1? Oh, a joke on how antiquated the servers are. |
| 12:11.01 | frop | i've heard their server run DOS 6.1 |
| 12:11.30 | Thrae | Honestly I don't think there's anything wrong with the filesystem they're using, it's more of a problem with hardware and their database software. Probably core parts of their database algorithmns have little problems which turn into very big problems very quickly when dealing with all this data. |
| 12:12.17 | Thrae | The rest of the time is spent optimizing based on data mining. So if instance A is heavily used and instance B is not, then fix bugs and improve performance on instance A even if it causes problems with instance B. |
| 12:12.18 | frop | don't forget this game is 5y (?) old |
| 12:12.26 | Thrae | A lot of MMOs do that. |
| 12:12.29 | frop | so its design is a bit outdated |
| 12:12.58 | Zxcvb | I wonder if each party actually gets it's own instance all to itself or if that is faked using copy-on-write |
| 12:13.48 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure they get their own instance thread |
| 12:14.05 | Thrae | Blizzard always had problems with Battle.net, they probably just tried to make the server software themselves based on their previous networking experience. That's the problem with networking -- any problems easily become viral. |
| 12:14.07 | Arrowmaster | the servers have to spawn an instance for each group, but they are only temporary and not saved to the db or anything |
| 12:14.39 | Zxcvb | true, but with shared copy-on-write executables and libraries, each spawned instance wouldn't be completely seperate from the others |
| 12:14.52 | Thrae | You spend too much time fixing viral networking problems instead of fixing the core problems, which may require wiping needed data. |
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| 12:16.56 | Thrae | I think if you asked a bunch of people the question, "Would you mind possibly losing up to 50% of your character data after a week-long maintenance period if it meant we only needed to do maintenance for one hour a week, and extremely increased server stability?" |
| 12:17.14 | batrick | man I'm trying to automatedly collect some data from wowhead and all I get are redirects even to pages it redirects me to |
| 12:17.31 | batrick | anyone ever tried doing that? |
| 12:17.42 | batrick | simple connections to grab html files never work |
| 12:18.08 | Thrae | batrick: That's because they're generated by the server. You have to figure out if you need to send a POST or GET command. |
| 12:18.37 | batrick | ah it's post... thanks Thrae |
| 12:19.20 | batrick | u saved me a lot of time =) |
| 12:19.55 | batrick | err nvm, that doesn't work either |
| 12:20.38 | jnwhiteh | I don't have any issue pulling quest listings via straight get requests |
| 12:20.51 | Thrae | batrick: You also need the correct header too. |
| 12:20.58 | jnwhiteh | that's how I build LightHeaded |
| 12:22.28 | Kalroth | Thrae: Why would Blizzard ever need to delete data? |
| 12:22.42 | Kalroth | I can't see a single scenario where they'd need to delete player data. |
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| 12:23.23 | batrick | what kind of header? |
| 12:23.27 | batrick | sorry I'm new at this >< |
| 12:23.42 | batrick | http://www.tecgraf.puc-rio.br/~diego/professional/luasocket/http.html |
| 12:23.44 | batrick | I'm using that |
| 12:23.49 | Thrae | Kalroth: Player data itself can become corrupt as it grows. It might be a situation where all player data has all kinds of indices which aren't needed, but aren't easily trimmed. I've seen some seriously messed-up databases in my lifetime. |
| 12:23.49 | WobWork | hehe http://www.kloonigames.com/blog/general/awesomest-solution |
| 12:24.14 | Kalroth | Thrae: Sure, you can clean/convert it then. |
| 12:24.26 | Zxcvb | yeah, a full pfile wipe would suck |
| 12:24.28 | Kalroth | But actual corrupt data? I doubt it. |
| 12:24.45 | Thrae | Kalroth: In some cases there were random indices which did nothing but slow down lookup. |
| 12:24.46 | Adys | didnt you know |
| 12:24.49 | Adys | wow uses mysql |
| 12:25.35 | Kalroth | Uh, you can just reindex shit :p The -actual- data should never be corrupted if it's using a database/file server from this century. |
| 12:26.20 | Thrae | That's if you think they're good at making databases. There aren't many people in this world who are good at making databases, and I think Blizzard has clearly shown they're not one of them. |
| 12:26.34 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 12:26.42 | Kalroth | We've got software that spans from early versions of btrieve/paradox to mssql 2008. We've yet to see corrupt data other than hardware causing it. |
| 12:27.13 | Kalroth | Everything could be rescued or converted. |
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| 12:28.27 | Kalroth | So it doesn't really matter if Blizzard can't make a proper database structure, the data is there and it's salvageable with a bit of knowledge. Assuming it even is that lost of a cause, which I doubt :) |
| 12:28.29 | Thrae | There's that too, or the server software itself (which would be completely Blizzard, the database could be something like SQL) could also have some tiny bugs in it. I've seen cases where we replaced a motherboard and solved a problem with bad database entries, even though the hardware tested OK. It was only happening 1/10000th of the time, but that was enough to start a viral corruption of data that depended on other data. |
| 12:28.30 | sylvanaar | jnwhiteh what do you think of my Lua module/require implementation? http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=261508 |
| 12:28.54 | Thrae | Things like this aren't always simple to figure out. |
| 12:29.02 | Kalroth | Thrae: Yes, that's where you got backups :p |
| 12:29.39 | Thrae | Not when you know there's a problem, but don't know what it is. The problem could have been occuring for years without anyone figuring out the cause. |
| 12:30.03 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar: I'm not terribly sure of the point |
| 12:30.06 | Kalroth | Then they should hire someone that can figures out how to open query analyzer. |
| 12:30.20 | jnwhiteh | It doesn't seem to solve any issues or provide all that much |
| 12:30.32 | jnwhiteh | I like the concise calls, but what we have isn't difficult at all |
| 12:30.38 | batrick | jnwhiteh: Thrae: http://wowi.pastey.net/106189 |
| 12:30.40 | Kalroth | We've got some really nasty databases here, also for big customers. We don't "lose" data, even though almost none of it are undocumented. :) |
| 12:31.09 | jnwhiteh | batrick: why are you using sockets instead of socket.http? |
| 12:31.13 | Thrae | sylvanaar: I don't see the point for WoW's structure? |
| 12:31.13 | jnwhiteh | then a get request |
| 12:31.15 | sylvanaar | jnwhiteh it lets you use the Lua module system, and I added a LibStub loader toit |
| 12:31.18 | jnwhiteh | or was this just an illustration |
| 12:31.20 | batrick | Doesn't work when I use socket.http either |
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| 12:31.36 | sylvanaar | so you say require "SomeLib" |
| 12:31.40 | nevcairiel | it doesnt exactly use the lua module system, you just wrote some functions with the same name =P |
| 12:31.41 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar: yes, but there isn't a 1-to-1 correspondence between libraries in standalone Lua versus wow |
| 12:31.50 | jnwhiteh | require("SomeLib") is great |
| 12:31.54 | jnwhiteh | but how is that better than LibStub("SomeLib") |
| 12:32.00 | jnwhiteh | it isn't :P |
| 12:32.04 | sylvanaar | because it doesnt require libstub |
| 12:32.12 | jnwhiteh | ... well, we need libstub |
| 12:32.13 | jnwhiteh | so. |
| 12:32.16 | sylvanaar | LibStub is only a loader |
| 12:32.23 | Kalroth | well your module is just another implementation of libstub, no? |
| 12:32.24 | Thrae | Essentially you want to internalize LibStub? |
| 12:32.31 | jnwhiteh | ^^ |
| 12:32.37 | sylvanaar | there can be other loaders |
| 12:32.43 | sylvanaar | just like Lua's |
| 12:32.44 | jnwhiteh | you are just calling "LibStub" "require" |
| 12:32.56 | sylvanaar | no, i am loading a module |
| 12:33.06 | jnwhiteh | well, wow doesn't have modules. |
| 12:33.07 | nevcairiel | require actually loads the file |
| 12:33.09 | nevcairiel | in vanilla lua |
| 12:33.11 | nevcairiel | you cannot |
| 12:33.12 | sylvanaar | now it does |
| 12:33.24 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 12:33.29 | sylvanaar | no, it doesnt load the file |
| 12:33.30 | jnwhiteh | You don't seem to understand at all |
| 12:33.34 | sylvanaar | it CAN load it |
| 12:33.41 | sylvanaar | actually, i do understand |
| 12:33.53 | jnwhiteh | Fact #1. We still need LibStub to register libraries |
| 12:34.07 | jnwhiteh | Until WoW gives us something else |
| 12:34.58 | Thrae | For the most part I don't really see LibStub's absolute usefulness to the point it needs to be internalized. I think stuff like being able to fit more then one addon in the same root folder, being able to only load addons when needed, etc. Those seem more to the point. |
| 12:35.05 | sylvanaar | LibStub isnt the only way to create a module |
| 12:35.18 | jnwhiteh | no its not, but its a standard and that is a good thing |
| 12:35.19 | jnwhiteh | and it works |
| 12:35.22 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 12:35.39 | jnwhiteh | its a single global stub that allows us to retrieve versioned registered tables |
| 12:35.46 | Thrae | If you could have 50 addons in the same root folder, you could take one addon and separate it out into 50 LoD parts. Now that'd be cool. |
| 12:36.21 | Thrae | Of course, only sylvanaar's addons need to be separated into 50 pieces. |
| 12:36.28 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar: the behavior of standalone Lua's require is completely different from what we have here when you consider the loader. |
| 12:36.34 | sylvanaar | its a missing language feature, and its been adapted to wow, how can you not like it |
| 12:37.03 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 12:37.07 | jnwhiteh | we already have LibStub |
| 12:37.20 | jnwhiteh | I do not understand why you want to have ANOTHER function to retrieve simple tables |
| 12:37.30 | sylvanaar | because its base Lua |
| 12:37.34 | jnwhiteh | so? |
| 12:37.40 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't matter to me in the least |
| 12:37.44 | jnwhiteh | we also don't have debug.setmetatable |
| 12:37.48 | jnwhiteh | yet we manage to do just fine |
| 12:37.55 | sylvanaar | and i can grab any lua code and not have to delete the module/require lines from it |
| 12:38.03 | jnwhiteh | that's a BS read |
| 12:38.05 | jnwhiteh | reason |
| 12:38.19 | jnwhiteh | require("FooMonkey-2.0") in Lua does something ENTIRELY different than what you have |
| 12:38.25 | batrick | jnwhiteh: I was using the table argument for http.request, and that screwed it all up somehow. Switching to a string (url) argument made it work. |
| 12:38.28 | jnwhiteh | because in Lua it calls a loader |
| 12:38.41 | sylvanaar | actually, what it does is search though a series of loaders |
| 12:38.48 | jnwhiteh | yeah, I'm familiar.. thanks. |
| 12:38.48 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Wouldn't that be against the Lua code? The entire idea behind Lua being so restrictive about what it includes in the base you can use outside of WoW should be applied to WoW's version of Lua too -- don't include something just because you can. |
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| 12:39.04 | jnwhiteh | You can't say "it's a missing language feature" and then not actually implement everything behind it |
| 12:39.06 | sylvanaar | for which i have written an example one for LibStub |
| 12:39.09 | jnwhiteh | whats your goal? |
| 12:39.12 | jnwhiteh | whats the purpose? |
| 12:39.16 | jnwhiteh | other than the propaganda |
| 12:39.28 | sylvanaar | uh, propaganda? |
| 12:39.28 | nevcairiel | I asked that earlier, but didnt get an answer, really |
| 12:39.38 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar: "It's a missing language feature" |
| 12:39.40 | jnwhiteh | that's not an argument |
| 12:39.41 | jnwhiteh | its BS |
| 12:39.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah sylvanaar, your 'reason' sucks, just do something like local require = require or function() end |
| 12:39.52 | jnwhiteh | I'm not fighting you, you asked my opinion |
| 12:39.54 | jnwhiteh | and I'm asking real questions |
| 12:40.02 | jnwhiteh | I really honestly do not understand what you are proposing and why |
| 12:40.15 | jnwhiteh | if you want to have a require function defined globally so you can do something.. odd.. then feel free to do so |
| 12:40.27 | sylvanaar | how about you are so entrenched in "we have LibStub" that this simple exercise is becoming hostile |
| 12:40.37 | jnwhiteh | I'm not being hostile |
| 12:40.43 | jnwhiteh | I suggest you re-read my messages |
| 12:40.47 | jnwhiteh | I can't and won't speak for anyone else. |
| 12:40.50 | jnwhiteh | and I'm ignoring them |
| 12:41.08 | sylvanaar | they are all saying the same thing though - we have libstub |
| 12:41.13 | jnwhiteh | fuck them |
| 12:41.17 | jnwhiteh | we can take this to PMs if you want |
| 12:41.20 | jnwhiteh | I'm trying to have a civil conversation |
| 12:41.29 | sylvanaar | id like to have one |
| 12:41.29 | jnwhiteh | but the fact remains, we already have a standard |
| 12:41.38 | jnwhiteh | what does yours provide that we don't already have? |
| 12:41.43 | Arrowmaster | nothing |
| 12:41.45 | sylvanaar | options |
| 12:41.49 | WobWork | like? |
| 12:41.51 | jnwhiteh | why should we convince the addons authors to all use a new system |
| 12:41.56 | sylvanaar | you dont |
| 12:42.00 | sylvanaar | its optional |
| 12:42.07 | Arrowmaster | then whats the point? |
| 12:42.08 | nevcairiel | If you want a "standard", options are not "good" |
| 12:42.10 | WobWork | what makes it ... better? |
| 12:42.15 | sylvanaar | it supports the existing system too |
| 12:42.20 | zenzio | this reminds me eerily of a couple of libraries vs. no libraries discussions in here |
| 12:42.46 | WobWork | if you want to offer 'options' the options need to have functionality that differs slightly so that the choices are meaningful |
| 12:42.52 | jnwhiteh | zenzio: well, I was part of that discussion as well most likely considering I'm the reason embedded libraries exist |
| 12:43.01 | sylvanaar | it takes plain tables as modules |
| 12:43.05 | sylvanaar | no versioning |
| 12:43.06 | sylvanaar | nothing |
| 12:43.12 | sylvanaar | just like Lua |
| 12:43.16 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 12:43.25 | sylvanaar | thats additional functionality |
| 12:43.34 | Arrowmaster | thats less functionality |
| 12:43.36 | jnwhiteh | might I point out to you that the module/package system in Lua is completely and utterly fucked |
| 12:43.47 | jnwhiteh | the bulk of the Lua community agrees 100% with my jaded opinion |
| 12:43.58 | jnwhiteh | The current system is absurdly flawed and poorly designed |
| 12:44.04 | zenzio | jnwhiteh: I wasn't thinking of the actual content of (both) your arguments, just the apparent stalemate |
| 12:44.16 | jnwhiteh | I see no reason to introduce those problems into WoW for the sake of "a missing language feature" |
| 12:44.26 | jnwhiteh | when we already have a system that works extremely well |
| 12:45.15 | jnwhiteh | Mind you that is NOT from a "ZOMG I LOVE YOU LIBSTUB" perspective but one that is extremely well educated and well reasoned |
| 12:53.33 | batrick | I'm building a table of all known mounts and if they are ground or flyable, would anyone like the data when I'm finished? |
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| 12:55.26 | WobWork | batrick: wowwiki it? |
| 12:55.48 | batrick | I'm a bit too lazy for that, but you are welcome to do it |
| 12:56.44 | jnwhiteh | batrick: haste would, but are you doing them organized by speed as well? |
| 12:56.56 | batrick | hrm, no |
| 12:57.11 | batrick | I need that too, I'll do it |
| 12:57.42 | WobWork | mm. |
| 12:57.54 | WobWork | Hazelnut gelato with fresh roasted hazelnuts added |
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| 13:11.36 | batrick | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=55531 that can't be right =) |
| 13:12.17 | batrick | (riding speed) |
| 13:12.23 | Adys | wowhead screwing up |
| 13:12.42 | Adys | 58961 is an id |
| 13:12.44 | Adys | not a % |
| 13:13.02 | Adys | namely the value is likely get % from 58961 |
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| 13:15.34 | nevcairiel | indeed, just look at the spell with that id |
| 13:15.34 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=58961 |
| 13:16.02 | Adys | lets see |
| 13:16.19 | Adys | Increases movement speed by $s2%. |
| 13:16.46 | Adys | hm |
| 13:16.47 | Adys | weird |
| 13:18.01 | Olorin_ | Is anyone on the PTR or know if its actually up? |
| 13:18.12 | Adys | its up |
| 13:18.30 | Olorin_ | thanks, now if only the tracker was availiable for patch lol |
| 13:20.51 | WobWork | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_184/5652-Native-Resolution |
| 13:20.54 | WobWork | interesting |
| 13:23.10 | Olorin_ | hmm do they have one for english? |
| 13:24.20 | foxlit | " In my virtual battles across a perpetually war-torn Europe, I have probably ended the lives of more Germans than the actual Allied forces." |
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| 13:44.37 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. *huggle* |
| 13:44.42 | zenzio | :) |
| 13:45.16 | Olorin_ | good afternoon :) |
| 13:45.22 | jnwhiteh | I wonder if my DVD player can play XViD |
| 13:45.24 | jnwhiteh | if it plays DivX |
| 13:45.26 | jnwhiteh | allegedly |
| 13:45.40 | Lopeppeppy | ~ugt |
| 13:45.41 | purl | somebody said ugt was Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 13:45.48 | Lopeppeppy | :P Always is morning! |
| 13:46.09 | Lopeppeppy | jnwhiteh, allegedly is such a loaded keyword. |
| 13:46.16 | Olorin_ | in that case im going back to bed :p |
| 13:47.24 | Lopeppeppy | Bed is always the best place to be. |
| 13:47.28 | Olorin_ | probably has * where it says that which means with new supporting firmware* |
| 13:47.32 | jnwhiteh | well it plays some DivX |
| 13:47.37 | jnwhiteh | I know that |
| 13:47.43 | jnwhiteh | I can just never figure out which ones :P |
| 13:47.56 | jnwhiteh | and converting files to Divx using the actual DivX encoder makes me a sad panda |
| 13:47.59 | jnwhiteh | it takes 4evah |
| 13:48.07 | nevcairiel | look at the FourCC of those it plays =P |
| 13:48.11 | Olorin_ | <-- irc noob didnt know that was gonna make all that bold |
| 13:48.15 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: fourCC? |
| 13:48.38 | Lopeppeppy | Olorin_, it only appeared that way for you in your client. In mine, the text was normal. |
| 13:48.47 | Olorin_ | ah ok good |
| 13:48.50 | nevcairiel | Oh its the codec descriptor in .avi files |
| 13:49.00 | jnwhiteh | interesting |
| 13:49.02 | Lopeppeppy | Each chat client varies, that's part of the (fun) of IRC |
| 13:49.29 | jnwhiteh | DivX 5.0, 640 x 360, Millions |
| 13:49.29 | jnwhiteh | MPEG Layer 3, Stereo, 44.100 kHz |
| 13:49.31 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 13:49.39 | nevcairiel | vanilla divx is DIVX |
| 13:49.44 | Olorin_ | still havnt worked out how to get someones name to come at bottom unless the've put mine at front of their msg |
| 13:49.45 | nevcairiel | xvid obviously XVID |
| 13:49.49 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 13:50.53 | nevcairiel | but some videos use a generic mpeg tag |
| 13:50.56 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 13:51.00 | jnwhiteh | Generic-MP4 for some of these |
| 13:52.28 | jnwhiteh | how about i burn a data disc with one of each and test |
| 13:52.29 | jnwhiteh | hurrah! |
| 13:52.37 | jnwhiteh | i know it doesn't play m4v |
| 13:52.38 | jnwhiteh | which is boo |
| 13:52.44 | Lopeppeppy | Olorin_, I have no idea of which you speak... that's some setting in your chat client, look up some documentation. |
| 13:53.30 | Olorin_ | will do when i get bored enough or awake enough to read a buncha text |
| 13:57.19 | Olorin_ | if you want to have a function process the results from its own function do you just call it from inside itself using passed variables and return them ? |
| 13:57.34 | Olorin_ | to process* |
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| 14:08.14 | jnwhiteh | Olorin_: that's called recursion, and yes you can write recursive functions in lua |
| 14:08.55 | Olorin_ | but is it best to use the passed variables and return results ? |
| 14:09.19 | jnwhiteh | I'm not really sure what you are saying.. you can certainly use upvalues if you'd like |
| 14:09.38 | Arrowmaster | inf loops are bad though, k |
| 14:10.12 | Olorin_ | ok cool, just checking, aye arrowmaster, I know that would lockup the ui |
| 14:11.38 | Olorin_ | im in process of building a menu sysytem, got it kinda working with scrolling frame etc... |
| 14:13.02 | Olorin_ | mostly im trying to get it to point where you can just throw a table at a function and it will display certain properties in an expanding table... why i dunno but it seemed like might serve some purpose lol |
| 14:14.10 | jnwhiteh | so, AVI using FFMpeg, AVI using XviD or straight up AVI using DivX |
| 14:14.12 | jnwhiteh | thoughts? |
| 14:14.37 | nevcairiel | ffmpeg works fine for most cases |
| 14:14.50 | jnwhiteh | i'm converting from m4v to an avi-able format |
| 14:15.03 | jnwhiteh | so I can burn to data for my DVD player |
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| 14:16.07 | Lopeppeppy | ~pounce lunessa |
| 14:16.07 | purl | ACTION jumps on lunessa and bounces around Tigger style |
| 14:16.09 | Lopeppeppy | STATION! |
| 14:16.21 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 14:19.28 | Lopeppeppy | ..... *cough* |
| 14:19.32 | Lopeppeppy | Dearest. |
| 14:19.35 | Lopeppeppy | That was out loud. |
| 14:19.38 | Lopeppeppy | *chides* |
| 14:20.43 | Lopeppeppy | You rapscallion, you. |
| 14:21.21 | Lunessa | Indeed. I also take candy from babies. |
| 14:21.57 | Lopeppeppy | That's good, they need their teeth more than they need sugar. If they don't have teeth, they can't chase you down and bite your kneecaps off. |
| 14:23.05 | Lunessa | My kneecaps are powerful, strong, and largely pain-free - despite repeated bitings! |
| 14:23.36 | Lopeppeppy | So you say now. But you haven't met.... the Babynator! |
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| 14:34.41 | |pez| | Ooook |
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| 14:35.09 | Lunessa | DUN DUN DUH! |
| 14:35.11 | |pez| | I'm not liking it when people starts quests... INSIDE and instance, without everyone in the instancegroup being there. |
| 14:35.33 | Olorin_ | wow just got back and saw that, thats one hell of an emote Lunessa, i think we should have that as MoTD |
| 14:36.30 | Lunessa | The last time I was quoted in the MotD is some time back in the dark ages. Careful what you wish for. |
| 14:36.52 | Olorin_ | :) |
| 14:37.31 | Lopeppeppy | I give good quote. *waggles eyebrows* |
| 14:38.34 | batrick | o jesus, i accidently overwrote the script to get all the mounts for wow, thank god vim had a ~ file |
| 14:38.44 | batrick | I think I would have cried |
| 14:39.31 | Lopeppeppy | batrick, save early save often, and never over-write. |
| 14:39.45 | batrick | i didn't know i was overwriting >< |
| 14:39.48 | Olorin_ | ~Backup |
| 14:39.48 | purl | somebody said backup was described at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/filesystems.html |
| 14:39.58 | batrick | I really should have an alias for mv and cp |
| 14:40.09 | batrick | backups probably wouldn't help when the file was made today :P |
| 14:40.31 | Lopeppeppy | Make a copy. Instant backup. |
| 14:40.50 | Olorin_ | well if using vista you woulda had generations automatically held in shadow copy :P hahaa |
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| 14:41.45 | Olorin_ | and no im not a Vista fanboy, I do use it but only cause I got 8gb ram and it works pretty well on my system |
| 14:42.27 | sacarasc | do you use some of that to make a ram disk on start up to put in your most used programmes? |
| 14:42.32 | sacarasc | if i had that much ram, i would |
| 14:43.00 | Olorin_ | prefetch pretty much does that automatically... <opens can of worms> |
| 14:48.38 | Lunessa | Readyboost. :P |
| 14:48.56 | Lopeppeppy | SulkingKick. |
| 14:50.12 | Olorin_ | actually ive never used readyboost, it seems like good way of knackering a pendrive actually |
| 14:50.50 | Lunessa | I'm experimenting with it on a box at home. It's made a noticeable difference. |
| 14:51.17 | Codayus | I've heard Readyboost actually works fairly well - but it only helps if you don't have lots of ram anyhow. You should see any noticable improvement if you've got 8gb. (Although I haven't tried it personally.) |
| 14:51.27 | Codayus | Er... |
| 14:51.35 | Codayus | You should NOT see a noticable improvement with 8gb. |
| 14:52.22 | Olorin_ | well much quicker than hard disk but bear in mind pendrives only good for about 100,000 r/w so thats not much if windows uses it like a harddisk, although i gather it reads/writes to different sections to share the wearing |
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| 14:52.46 | Codayus | I've got 8gb, Vista runs really well, so never bothered to try. And yeah, it does shorten lifespan. |
| 14:52.55 | Lunessa | My machine only has 4gb in it. and I'm noticing that large disk-reads feel faster - because they're cached on the readyboost space. |
| 14:53.14 | Codayus | Wikipedia claims that Microsoft claims that a USB drive should be good for 10 years. |
| 14:53.22 | Olorin_ | not bad |
| 14:53.28 | Lunessa | It uses it in a fashion similar to L@ cache. |
| 14:53.33 | Lunessa | Er, L2. |
| 14:54.17 | Olorin_ | Im spoilt cause i got too much stuff in my pc HDD for windows is on spanned array with swap file on another hdd and wow on a 3rd with another wow on 4th.... |
| 14:54.28 | Codayus | "In one test case, ReadyBoost sped up an operation from 11.7 seconds to 2 seconds (increasing physical memory from 512 MB to 1 GB reduced it to 0.8 seconds)" |
| 14:55.02 | nevcairiel | I still need a USB drive which fits the speed requirements |
| 14:55.06 | nevcairiel | i only have slow thingys =P |
| 14:56.02 | Codayus | I've only ever tried Vista on a system with 8gb of ram. Works great. I don't think I want to try Vista on a machine with half a gb.... Oo |
| 14:56.36 | |pez| | I have 2GB on my laptop. |
| 14:56.40 | |pez| | It runs Vista. |
| 14:56.44 | |pez| | but not really all that well. |
| 14:56.49 | Olorin_ | well appart from my graphcis card which is supposidly somewhere in germany being repaired after it burnt itself out. now running 1920x1200 on an oldish ati 850xt which to my supprise does pretty well |
| 14:56.54 | Lopeppeppy | I have 4G, it runs Vista fine. |
| 14:57.05 | nevcairiel | Anyone got any recommendations for a ready-boost capable usb flash drive? |
| 14:58.06 | Olorin_ | corsair have good rep and some turbo model pendrives although ive not used one personally from them |
| 14:58.35 | Olorin_ | just bear in mind they usually only quote damn read times which are 3x the write spead usually |
| 14:58.41 | Lunessa | *shrug* Vista will use any of them. The bigger, the better. |
| 14:58.44 | Olorin_ | or worse |
| 14:58.52 | nevcairiel | Vista tests the speed |
| 14:59.07 | Olorin_ | bit late once ya got it :P |
| 14:59.31 | batrick | jnwhiteh: haste: http://www.unm.edu/~batrick/files/mounts.lua |
| 14:59.36 | Olorin_ | or you can use a SD card if you have a cardreader |
| 14:59.37 | Lunessa | *shrug* All the sub-$20 ones I got were good enough. |
| 15:00.22 | Lunessa | And today is Mordresh Fire Eye - "We will spread across this barren land!" |
| 15:00.23 | Lopeppeppy | I want to find a thumb drive big enough to run wow off! *rawr* |
| 15:01.09 | nevcairiel | get a 32GB :P |
| 15:01.28 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Huge traccts of land... I think I'll stick with transporting my baby laptop. :) |
| 15:02.31 | Olorin_ | aghhh damnit i cant watch blueray on this pc now cause this temporary card doesnt support HDCP aghhhhh i wanted to watch dark knight agian |
| 15:02.45 | Codayus | Could always get a rugged USB hard drive. |
| 15:02.48 | Codayus | http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10821 |
| 15:02.48 | Lunessa | I read, last summer, about an in-house/proof-of-conceot project at a manufacturer for a 1tb flash drive. The article mentioned that cost would be prohibitive to ever bring it to the consumer market. But it did make me drool. |
| 15:03.09 | haste | batrick: lol wut? |
| 15:03.11 | Olorin_ | talk about shoot the people who do purchase it |
| 15:04.09 | Codayus | They're pretty sexy. Not...cheap exactly. *shrug* Quite rugged though. |
| 15:04.16 | Olorin_ | lol anyone got anydvd? :P |
| 15:05.20 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa: Boys and their toys. |
| 15:06.17 | haste | batrick: http://ixo.no/git/Noru.git/tree/noru.lua is what I have |
| 15:06.31 | Lunessa | I used a 80gb firewire drive for my PowerBook - I swap it between my two iMacs. Very handy. I should get a USB one though. |
| 15:07.07 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, usbs. |
| 15:07.12 | Olorin_ | hadda laugh at book i got for xmas, my auntie got it and it was home projects for the nerdy types, stuff like having pc turn on kettle or lights in morning etc... I think the book was written 20years ago lol |
| 15:07.29 | haste | batrick: your data is saner tho' :p |
| 15:07.38 | haste | batrick: did you just parse the tooltips or? |
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| 15:08.59 | Olorin_ | lunessa just get a hdd docking station like...http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-001-SH that way can just swap the hdd easy |
| 15:09.00 | Codayus | eSATA is nice for external hard drives...if you can find a computer that supports it. |
| 15:10.15 | Lunessa | Olorin_: Sure, that's nice.. but I can't throw that into my backpack and drive across town with it. |
| 15:11.14 | Olorin_ | not ideal for that i'll agrree, one of them WD passbook things are cool for that , only 2.5" hdd inside |
| 15:11.28 | |pez| | I wish Blizzard made something else than chickens for the BELF mounts. |
| 15:12.13 | Olorin_ | racial restrictions being lifted 3.08 but still need faction from what i understand to get alternative |
| 15:13.25 | Lunessa | |pez|: Get a bunch of folks to run Setthek on heroic and summon the optional boss. |
| 15:13.38 | Codayus | PvP mounts aren't too hard to get. And then there's various mounts from outlands, wrath, and achievements... |
| 15:13.58 | Lunessa | And in the next patch, no racial restrictions on your factions mounts. |
| 15:14.25 | Codayus | I'm already exalted with the gnomes for my robochicken. |
| 15:14.49 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, can't wait! |
| 15:14.54 | cog|away | Lunessa: ding! |
| 15:15.09 | Lunessa | YAY! Cog is 80! |
| 15:15.29 | Olorin_ | Congratulations Cog |
| 15:15.58 | cog|away | o poo... it's tuesday... |
| 15:16.05 | Lopeppeppy | That it is, dear. |
| 15:16.06 | jnwhiteh | truth |
| 15:16.56 | sacarasc | it's actually wednesday... i made everyone sleep for 24 hours |
| 15:17.10 | Olorin_ | anyone know if theirs a limit to nested frames? |
| 15:17.18 | cog|away | sacarasc: you should've left blizzard out |
| 15:18.00 | cog|away | Olorin_: i seem to remember a rather small limit on framelevels |
| 15:18.14 | cog|away | like ~128 ... but they may have changed that or i could be confused :P |
| 15:18.32 | Olorin_ | ah ok, maybee ill have a rethink on a plan i had |
| 15:19.43 | Olorin_ | kinda silly but had idea of mapping the whole ui and children into a drilldown table... why i dunno, i saw it as a challenge, i have the drilldown scrolling table about 80% done but nesting it will need a rethink |
| 15:19.43 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a scheduled maintenance. Please note that all European realms will be offline from 05:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET).. . . Thank you for your patience and understanding.. |
| 15:19.43 | Shiibot | 07/01 Free character migration. Due to population differences between the highest and lowest populated PvP realms, the following Free Character Migration will be available from January 7th to 13th:. |
| 15:19.43 | Shiibot | Horde only: Magtheridon --> Haomarush, Zenedar. . Burning Legion, Ravencrest --> Auchindoun, Chromaggus. Neptulon, Sylvanas --> Genjuros, Jaedenar. Grim Batol, Ragnaros --> Deathwing, Karazhan |
| 15:20.13 | cog|away | Olorin_: check out blizzard's own editing ui ( http://worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ ) |
| 15:20.20 | cog|away | i don't know if they've updated it for 3.0 |
| 15:20.28 | cog|away | but it does exactly that |
| 15:20.41 | Lopeppeppy | How long do the PvE transfers on US last? |
| 15:21.27 | Olorin_ | ugh thanks Cog, i think... |
| 15:21.56 | Lunessa | cog|away: it's broken. |
| 15:22.32 | Lunessa | It needs updating in the worst way, but I don't think anyone at HQ is working on it. |
| 15:22.33 | Olorin_ | whew I still have somthing to do |
| 15:23.02 | cog|away | ps. win7 is teh secks |
| 15:23.26 | Elkano | no, cog, can't be... no classic start menu iirc |
| 15:23.40 | cog|away | pfft... vista's start menu is teh secks |
| 15:24.21 | cog|away | the search box is MUCH faster than drilling down, and the drill-down is much cleaner than 95-xp's |
| 15:24.21 | Elkano | well, not the classic one ^^ |
| 15:24.38 | nevcairiel | i never used the vista start menu |
| 15:24.43 | nevcairiel | but maybe i can adjust sometime =P |
| 15:24.55 | Elkano | if you use advanced technologie, you use communism! |
| 15:25.05 | cog|away | O.o |
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| 15:26.09 | Lopeppeppy | In communist Elkano, technology uses you? |
| 15:26.17 | cog|away | win7 32-bit seems to run better on my machine than 64-bit.... and i've got 6 gigs of ram of which 32-bit os can only access ~2.8gb |
| 15:26.25 | cog|away | 64-bit vista* |
| 15:26.26 | zenzelezz | peppy: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/01/13/funny-pictures-kitteh-iz-still-watchin-yu/ |
| 15:26.39 | Elkano | no, Lopeppeppy, that was in soviet russia |
| 15:26.45 | nevcairiel | I was going to play around with 64bit win7, but didnt get around to it yet |
| 15:26.55 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, zenzelezz, it's nice to know you're still with me! |
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| 15:26.56 | cog|away | i run 64-bit vista primarily |
| 15:26.58 | Olorin_ | cog the question is can the windows 7 file search actually find your files... |
| 15:26.59 | Lunessa | In communist Buff Bar, Elkano uses you. |
| 15:27.18 | cog|away | Olorin_: in vista you can add locations to the search indexes and it works fine |
| 15:27.29 | Olorin_ | files by content etc... i cant stand that in vista |
| 15:27.38 | Fisker- | learn2PAE cog|away |
| 15:27.41 | Fisker- | should work in vista |
| 15:27.44 | Olorin_ | ugh, i dont want indexes churning in background i want it to search |
| 15:27.54 | nevcairiel | content search never worked fine =P |
| 15:28.09 | Olorin_ | should* yes but it doesnt |
| 15:28.16 | cog|away | Fisker-: over 3 os's, and 5 motherboards, i've never found a combination that actually accomplishes PAE |
| 15:28.25 | Fisker- | :( |
| 15:28.27 | Olorin_ | unless your ms guru and put in whole sting of subcommands into the search feature |
| 15:28.38 | nevcairiel | even with PAE, you can only get to 3.5 on 32bit |
| 15:28.53 | Fisker- | i'm wondering if i should exploit a hardware supplier |
| 15:28.59 | nevcairiel | on windows, anyway |
| 15:29.04 | Olorin_ | I've replaced my whole file manager in vista with Opus Directory, thats fantastic :) |
| 15:29.07 | Fisker- | Their orders are handled by a robot |
| 15:29.17 | Fisker- | They can't sell GTX 285 until 15/01 |
| 15:29.25 | Fisker- | But they have them in stock (they're just hidden) |
| 15:29.32 | Fisker- | I know said hidden link and can purchase it there :3 |
| 15:29.41 | nevcairiel | usually people pack them anyway |
| 15:29.44 | nevcairiel | so they would notice |
| 15:29.45 | nevcairiel | =P |
| 15:29.53 | Lopeppeppy | Opus is a penguin. |
| 15:30.19 | Fisker- | Yeah that was my fear nevcairiel |
| 15:30.21 | Lunessa | With a wish for wings that work. |
| 15:30.22 | Fisker- | But bah |
| 15:30.28 | Fisker- | at this time it's pretty pointless |
| 15:30.30 | Fisker- | they're out in 2 days |
| 15:31.04 | Fisker- | hey cog|away |
| 15:31.05 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 15:31.06 | Olorin_ | eek dont tell billy I got a linux penguin in my pc |
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| 15:35.54 | Lunessa | mmm... King Cake. nom nom nom |
| 15:36.28 | Fisker- | it's Lunessa |
| 15:36.33 | Fisker- | get HIM |
| 15:36.46 | batrick | haste: I parsed wowhead's data |
| 15:37.23 | Fisker- | <-successful troll |
| 15:37.24 | Lopeppeppy | Y'all are crazy |
| 15:38.03 | haste | batrick: updated my own data just now with yours, so thanks :) |
| 15:38.39 | batrick | yw, I had missed warlocks and pallies though (because wowhead doesn't put them under the mounts section) |
| 15:38.44 | batrick | I'll upload it again soonish |
| 15:39.32 | batrick | Also some may be off because wowhead displayed some mounts improperly |
| 15:39.51 | haste | yeh, like the hog |
| 15:39.58 | haste | with its 2536456432% speed |
| 15:40.14 | batrick | some like turtle of speed modifiers of 0 and others like the headless horseman mount have a modifier of -1 because it is based on the rider's skill |
| 15:40.24 | batrick | like turtle have* |
| 15:40.43 | haste | I fix that in my converter from your data :p |
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| 15:40.58 | batrick | and, another difficulty, some spells are duplicated (apparently wow f'd up) |
| 15:41.12 | batrick | because some spells, like the mammoths, are repeated up to 4 times |
| 15:41.37 | haste | I have 28828 on a blacklist |
| 15:41.49 | Lunessa | Icy Mammoth, Black Mammoth, Grand Tundra Mammoth, all repeated? |
| 15:41.50 | haste | and 54729 I convert to another speed |
| 15:41.57 | batrick | it turned out to be a huge fucking headache, if I could do it over again I probably would just have done it manually |
| 15:42.05 | haste | ah 54729 is the DK flying mount |
| 15:42.09 | batrick | god knows it would have taken less time |
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| 15:42.34 | Fisker- | haste |
| 15:42.35 | Fisker- | i hate you |
| 15:42.49 | haste | anyway, going to fix dinner now |
| 15:43.45 | Lunessa | Fisker is living proof of the "any attention, even negative attention is what I crave." |
| 15:44.39 | Olorin_ | poor fisker |
| 15:45.36 | Fisker- | Yes your hate sustains me :3 |
| 15:45.50 | Lunessa | If only I hated you. |
| 15:46.48 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa doesn't care enough to hate you. |
| 15:47.07 | Lunessa | I'm like a cat that way. |
| 15:47.21 | zenzelezz | "I know there are people who do not love their fellow man..." |
| 15:47.28 | Olorin_ | "your hate sustains me " suddenly sprung to mind the River of slime in ghostbusters....sorry lol |
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| 15:54.21 | Lunessa | I know you're saying, "Hey Shattner, how do I /hurl/ bolts of lightning?" |
| 15:56.04 | Olorin_ | who? |
| 15:59.21 | Lunessa | How can you have lived through the last 40 years and not know who William Shattner is? |
| 15:59.54 | Lunessa | Capt. Kirk, TJ Hooker, Twilight Zone, and Boston Legal? |
| 15:59.59 | Lopeppeppy | KHAAAAAAAAN! |
| 16:00.22 | Lunessa | You Klingon sons, you've killed my bastard! |
| 16:00.25 | |pez| | :o I didn't know you could buy stuff froma scribe to rename your pet. :o |
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| 16:06.09 | Olorin_ | gah I know who he is lol I wondered who you menat when you siad 'I know you're saying" |
| 16:07.00 | Lopeppeppy | Olorin_, Luness is sometimes random. |
| 16:07.15 | Lunessa | Olorin_: It's from the WoW commercial he did. A server critical to my work today is down, so I'm watching crap on youtube |
| 16:07.56 | cog|away | crap on youtube 4tw |
| 16:08.13 | Olorin_ | oh we'll im from UK so I dont see same ad's, we got Ossy osbourne doing our ads... supposidly he's been the prince of darkness since 1979 .... rolls eyes |
| 16:08.36 | |pez| | I love all of those ads. XD |
| 16:08.55 | Adys | batrick: what was it for? |
| 16:09.07 | |Jelly| | I'm going to link this and preface it with (NEVER PUG MALYGOS 10) .. then go take a shower<3 :: http://wowwebstats.com/ice63x3wudpom |
| 16:10.02 | Lopeppeppy | SHAAARON! |
| 16:10.05 | Adys | thats a mal10 raid? |
| 16:10.16 | Lopeppeppy | Adys: Over time. |
| 16:10.19 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: what's your ---in' game? |
| 16:10.42 | Adys | wow |
| 16:10.46 | |Jelly| | Adys: Probably the most painful night of my WoW life. |
| 16:10.56 | Adys | who was leader? |
| 16:11.24 | Lopeppeppy | cog|work, it's ---in' paladin all the way! |
| 16:11.31 | |Jelly| | I was forced to be (GM of guild is ass-hurt that I didn't make a Maly because people in the guild QQ to him about not being able to go ... and then don't go when I make one) |
| 16:12.12 | Adys | sounds pretty poor |
| 16:12.19 | |Jelly| | It was pretty bad. |
| 16:12.28 | |Jelly| | Apparently sparks are really hard to kill ... or something. |
| 16:12.53 | Adys | nethertheless dont pug with complete strangers |
| 16:13.15 | Adys | all my pugs are successful pretty much |
| 16:13.26 | |Jelly| | BTW, I decided to have a glass of Orange Juice before my shower. <3 |
| 16:13.30 | Adys | just never take 9-24 people you dont know and you'll be fine |
| 16:13.49 | Lunessa | Hold on now... I've pugged OS, VoA, and Naxx both 10 and 25 versions just fine. |
| 16:13.59 | Adys | malygos is a tricky one |
| 16:14.11 | |Jelly| | The only retard check there is like 2-3 bosses in Naxx. |
| 16:14.20 | Adys | mainly because if you go there with f all gear, you better have a bunch of decent raiders |
| 16:14.20 | |Jelly| | Malygos has like 50% of a retard check. |
| 16:14.42 | Adys | also uhh |
| 16:14.47 | Adys | who does NOT pug VoA |
| 16:14.54 | Adys | (and OS) |
| 16:15.03 | Adys | OS i can understand for the achs, but voa.. |
| 16:15.16 | |Jelly| | My guild didn't for the first month cause we did it on Naxx day. OS, we still do as a guild. |
| 16:15.38 | Adys | there is a huge bunch of whiney kids on our guild forums atm |
| 16:15.46 | Adys | "boo boo raiding too easy boo boo we dont wipe anymore" |
| 16:15.59 | Adys | as soon as you suggest them to try achievements they spit on you |
| 16:15.59 | |Jelly| | ... they're complaining because they don't wipe anymore? |
| 16:16.09 | Adys | yeah "its boring we want better content" |
| 16:16.26 | Adys | the other day they tried some achievements |
| 16:16.41 | Adys | half the raid didnt go obsidian sanctum ever, and they tried 3-drake Sarth |
| 16:16.47 | Adys | 10man |
| 16:16.57 | p3lim | is there any way to measure altitude ingame? |
| 16:17.06 | Lopeppeppy | SHEEPLE SUCK! |
| 16:17.20 | Adys | so it left a scar and now they whine about achievements being too hard, and raiding being too easy more or less |
| 16:17.25 | Adys | p3lim: not without external tools |
| 16:17.32 | p3lim | hm |
| 16:18.14 | Olorin_ | Happy belated birthday Cairenn |
| 16:18.22 | Cairenn | thanks Olorin_ :) |
| 16:18.25 | Adys | oh |
| 16:18.27 | |Jelly| | Adys: lol |
| 16:18.27 | Adys | happy bday |
| 16:18.31 | Cairenn | :) |
| 16:18.36 | |pez| | Oohoh, Happy belated BDay ;o |
| 16:18.42 | Lopeppeppy | I just had to tell a user that 512m of ram wasn't a lot for web based applications and he should talk to the help desk to get more. :) |
| 16:18.43 | Cairenn | hehehe, thanks guys & gals |
| 16:19.55 | Cairenn | :) |
| 16:19.57 | Olorin_ | beware its pre-nibbled :P |
| 16:19.57 | |pez| | Adys: I don't think it was envy zenzelezz was experiencing... XD |
| 16:19.57 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.59 | Adys | lol pez |
| 16:20.09 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 16:20.44 | |Jelly| | Ok guys. I'm going to go try to wash the fail from last night off. Be back in a bit. Also <333 /huggles Cairenn. Happy (apparently) LATE Birfday! |
| 16:20.53 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 16:21.55 | Adys | hm |
| 16:22.02 | Adys | I still got my Empty Festive Mug |
| 16:22.05 | Adys | with its 1day duration |
| 16:24.32 | cog|work | Elkano: http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/windows-7-beta.ars/3 called you a luddite |
| 16:24.35 | cog|work | :> |
| 16:24.54 | cog|work | Luddites might be in for a shock, however; while Vista and XP both allowed the use of the "classic" (Windows 95-style) Start Menu in addition to the updated Start Panel, in Windows 7 there's no choice. |
| 16:25.38 | zenzelezz | what? |
| 16:25.44 | zenzelezz | heresy |
| 16:27.43 | Vangual | at least you can get a phat startmenu with a "classic" look still :( |
| 16:28.20 | Lunessa | *facepalm* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14318634903&sid=1 |
| 16:28.25 | cog|work | i don't know anyone who's actually spent the time to get used to the vista start menu and didn't end up prefering it over 95-xp |
| 16:28.50 | cog|work | It's always been "eew i hate it i'm never gonna use it" or "mmmm sexy" |
| 16:29.32 | zenzelezz | it looks as horrible as the FF3 address bar dropdown... I hate those new fancy things |
| 16:29.58 | cog|work | ;) |
| 16:31.07 | Lunessa | "Oh hai Blizz! Spend time developing emulator for me, k? thxbai!" |
| 16:31.23 | Adys | zenzelezz: you can disable that |
| 16:31.54 | zenzelezz | Adys: no, you can make it *look* like the old bar, but the search functionality is the same... stupid freaking "OMG LETS SURCH IN BOOKMARKS!!!" and crap |
| 16:32.03 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, peoples, food tiem! |
| 16:32.24 | Adys | searching in bookmarks is pretty handy if you ask me but you can also disable that |
| 16:32.53 | zenzelezz | I tried through all of the beta phase to find ways to disable the new stuff, Googled all over... what did I miss? |
| 16:33.22 | Adys | zenzelezz: places.frecency.unvisitedBookmarkBonus and bookmarkVisitBonus |
| 16:33.25 | Adys | set both to 0 |
| 16:33.41 | Adys | sets their importance in a search to none, so they'll basically never show up |
| 16:34.34 | zenzelezz | meaning if I have very few matches in the first place they might still? |
| 16:34.49 | Adys | I dont think they will |
| 16:34.56 | Adys | if they do, try -1 or False |
| 16:35.40 | Adys | why do you want to disable that anyway? People are looking through your porn? :P |
| 16:36.05 | zenzelezz | the stupid results are getting in the way of the porn |
| 16:36.29 | zenzelezz | basically I only want the bar to match URLs, nothing more |
| 16:36.44 | zenzelezz | no titles, no bookmarks, nothing like that |
| 16:37.22 | Adys | hmm |
| 16:37.31 | zenzelezz | so I'm on a "vehicle", and WoW refuses to realize the network on my Windows computer died and is totally disabled, even if I try to log out |
| 16:37.57 | zenzelezz | but yeah, to put it simply... I want the old address bar functionality, no improvements |
| 16:38.19 | cog|work | zenzelezz: that's why i switched to opera |
| 16:38.38 | Adys | might aswell grab chrome if you dont want firefox :P |
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| 16:39.21 | durcyn | you can toggle the ff3 address bar back to the old mode, jfgi |
| 16:40.03 | Adys | as he said it only makes it look like it |
| 16:40.12 | Adys | it still does search in most stuff |
| 16:40.20 | Adys | I dont know how to turn title search off |
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| 16:40.55 | zenzelezz | if I wasn't such a lazy/untalented coder I'd go get the FF2+3 code and hack it myself |
| 16:41.07 | Adys | here |
| 16:41.08 | Adys | http://kb.mozillazine.org/Places.frecency.(visit_type)VisitBonus |
| 16:42.27 | zenzelezz | well, that's at least a lot better than default. Thanks |
| 16:42.56 | Adys | also |
| 16:42.57 | Adys | http://www.google.com/chrome |
| 16:43.12 | zenzelezz | I like FF3 a lot, it's only the address bar that annoys me |
| 16:43.57 | zenzelezz | Chrome lost me just with the stupid auto-update that didn't even prompt me; but I also disliked the UI layout |
| 16:44.42 | Adys | i like ff3 a lot too, it's just the crashes, the slow javascript engine, the awful linux support, flash crashing every page reload, scrolling being shite, gecko being way outdated and the retarded amount of memory it consumes that annoys me |
| 16:45.04 | cog|work | that's the other reason i switched to opera :P |
| 16:45.11 | zenzelezz | my FF never crashes on me, even with tons of tabs open |
| 16:45.12 | Adys | which one? |
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| 16:45.18 | cog|work | Adys: the whole thing :P |
| 16:45.20 | Adys | zenzelezz: try linux |
| 16:45.21 | zenzelezz | javascript could be faster, but that's coming in 3.1 |
| 16:45.32 | Adys | zenzelezz: by 3.1, chrome for linux will be ready |
| 16:45.46 | zenzelezz | Adys: I only use Linux at home for browsing, and it's rock solid |
| 16:45.56 | zenzelezz | and like I said, I don't appreciate the Chrome UI |
| 16:46.03 | Adys | you dont have flash installed? |
| 16:46.05 | cog|work | actually i use chrome's "applications" for my gmail & google reader |
| 16:46.09 | Adys | or you're on 32bit |
| 16:46.13 | zenzelezz | I have Flash installed |
| 16:46.18 | zenzelezz | and yes, I'm on 32-bit |
| 16:46.46 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/failfox.png |
| 16:47.23 | Adys | and by the way, this screenshot isn't anormal |
| 16:47.27 | Adys | like, it wasnt crashing or anything |
| 16:47.35 | Adys | its just 3-4 tabs, one with a youtube vid playing |
| 16:47.48 | Adys | and that takes 150% of wow's memory in the middle of a wg battle |
| 16:48.02 | zenzelezz | it'd take a lot to make me switch away from Firefox. Opera's okay, but I don't like it as much as Firefox |
| 16:48.34 | Adys | you call installing a 64bit system " a lot"? :P |
| 16:48.54 | zenzelezz | I have no intention of installing a 64-bit system, so that's a non-issue |
| 16:49.18 | Adys | there you go then |
| 16:50.39 | Olorin_ | zenzelezz: if you do url about:config and change browser.urlbar.maxRichResults = 0 that will prevent what you didnt want |
| 16:50.46 | Adys | no Olorin_ |
| 16:50.49 | zenzelezz | Olorin_: no |
| 16:50.59 | zenzelezz | that's what they all said back in alpha and beta, and it's not correct |
| 16:51.13 | Olorin_ | well i just tried it and it doesnt show matches |
| 16:51.25 | Adys | it uses the same search algorithm |
| 16:51.39 | Adys | which involves going through all the frecency scores |
| 16:51.46 | Adys | (which is BTW what makes linux shitslow) |
| 16:51.56 | Adys | s/x/x version/ |
| 16:52.17 | zenzelezz | really? How come? |
| 16:52.31 | Adys | sqlite queries all over the place |
| 16:52.45 | zenzelezz | ah, I see |
| 16:53.02 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: January 12, 2009, 8:00PM PST. . We will be performing maintenance for all realms on Tuesday, January 13th. The downtime will begin at 3:00AM PST and end at approximately 11:00AM PST.. . Thank you,. . Blizzard Entertainment. . |
| 16:53.02 | Shiibot | January 12, 2009, 7:50PM PST. |
| 16:53.02 | Shiibot | Free character moves to Drak'Tharon and Tortheldrin are now closed. Oceanic PvP transfers to Gundrak will remain available until Thursday, January 15, 7:00 am AEDT; and U.S. PvE transfers to Garrosh will remain available until Wednesday, January 14, 6:00 pm PST provided our transfer goals are not met before these times. We recommend that those wishing to transfer to do so as soon as possible. |
| 16:54.14 | Lunessa | back in black! |
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| 16:56.26 | Wizardling | What's a very simple addon that pops up a reminder with the option to repair when you visit a tradesman? |
| 16:56.34 | Wizardling | LDB plugin preferred |
| 16:56.38 | Wizardling | or standalone |
| 16:56.43 | Wizardling | but not fubar or Titan |
| 16:56.52 | Lunessa | I just use minimalist to handle it for me. |
| 16:57.00 | Wizardling | What's the simplest choice? |
| 16:57.10 | Adys | fubar_titanFu |
| 16:57.15 | Adys | just to be a troll |
| 16:57.37 | Wizardling | minimalist duplicated too much of what I already have other simple addons do |
| 16:57.49 | Olorin_ | Wizard I just use smooth durability and let it automatically repair when i goto repairing merchant |
| 16:58.14 | Wizardling | no auto repair please - I run low on gold some days, heh |
| 16:58.21 | Olorin_ | lol |
| 16:58.30 | Wizardling | I need to play the auction house more often |
| 16:58.41 | Olorin_ | or die less :P |
| 16:58.42 | Adys | repairing will always be the best option |
| 16:58.52 | Adys | unless you like running around full red |
| 16:59.04 | Wizardling | you're right if you keep a healthy gold reserve |
| 16:59.13 | Wizardling | I don't always :-( Heh |
| 16:59.24 | Adys | repairing 1 durability point will cost the same as repairing 100 durability points /100 |
| 16:59.40 | Olorin_ | actually have look at smooth durability it displays % needed or not and can enable/disable auto repair |
| 16:59.55 | Olorin_ | its pretty configurable from interface menu |
| 16:59.57 | Wizardling | oh cool |
| 17:00.04 | Adys | trying to sell a broken item substracts a % of the gold you'd get when selling it |
| 17:00.09 | Adys | and you cant AH broken items |
| 17:00.43 | Adys | with that said, keeping a healthy gold reserve isnt hard :P |
| 17:01.51 | Wizardling | I know I'm a slacker :-) |
| 17:02.05 | Adys | i barely ever play and i still manage to make gold |
| 17:09.26 | Wizardling | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=11427 |
| 17:09.29 | Wizardling | perfect :-) |
| 17:09.43 | Wizardling | and familiar given I used to use Cosmos |
| 17:12.00 | AckisWork | hi durcyn |
| 17:12.50 | Olorin_ | is their a way of telling if a varibale is a table? type() just reports it as a string but if i print( tablevar) it shows table and address do i need to strmatch that somehow? |
| 17:13.28 | Kaso | what Olorin_ ? are you sure its a table |
| 17:13.34 | Kaso | type is usually right.. |
| 17:13.45 | Kaso | might it be a string with some metatable magic going on |
| 17:14.13 | Olorin_ | yup its string |
| 17:14.17 | zenzelezz | you don't happen to have a snippet of the code that shows what you mean? |
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| 17:15.04 | Zxcvb | no 3.0.8 patch today :( |
| 17:15.25 | Olorin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.27 | Olorin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.29 | Olorin_ | Framechildren being results of a getchildren() |
| 17:15.54 | Kaso | k is the key |
| 17:15.57 | Kaso | of course it is a string |
| 17:16.45 | Olorin_ | ugh thanks ... hangs head |
| 17:16.49 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 17:18.34 | Kaso | i say of course it is a string, i mean technically keys dont need to be a string. but in that situation it will be ;p |
| 17:19.44 | Kaso | keys could be a function if you wanted! |
| 17:19.57 | zenzelezz | really? |
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| 17:20.19 | zenzelezz | that would be a pretty sick thing to do, but interesting |
| 17:20.24 | Kaso | yah |
| 17:20.25 | Lunessa | Some balls are held for charity, and some for fancy dress, but when they're held for pleasure, they're the balls I like best. - AC/DC rules. |
| 17:20.35 | Kaso | t={ [print]="test" } |
| 17:20.35 | Kaso | etc |
| 17:20.39 | Lopeppeppy | Big balls! |
| 17:21.34 | Lunessa | The other guy in the office found an all AC/DC internet radio channel. It is pure pwn. |
| 17:21.45 | Kaso | Though you can't do this ofc; |
| 17:21.47 | Kaso | t[function() return 1 end] = "test" |
| 17:21.47 | Kaso | print(t[function() return 1 end]) |
| 17:22.02 | Kaso | well the first bit you can do, the second wont work |
| 17:23.26 | Olorin_ | thanks for that kaso, like I needed more confusion in my muddled mind |
| 17:23.36 | Kaso | lol |
| 17:23.44 | Kaso | lua is fun! |
| 17:24.13 | Olorin_ | The day god was giving out brains i think someone spammed the Random() hotkey |
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| 17:31.59 | Movix | looking for a hint how to easily replace a string a in a string b by string c |
| 17:32.33 | Zootfizzle | To confuse you more, probably, you can use functions as keys in tables, it's just that two inline functions that do the same thing aren't equal :P |
| 17:33.27 | ScytheBlade1 | 11:18 <@]> "int can store 7.75 right?" |
| 17:33.27 | ScytheBlade1 | 11:18 <@]> gotta love "project managers" |
| 17:33.52 | Olorin_ | say sure if you dont mind losing .75 |
| 17:34.47 | Kaso | Movix string.gsub |
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| 17:35.40 | Kaso | Movix, http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.gsub |
| 17:37.44 | batrick | my realm is up early! =) |
| 17:38.54 | ScytheBlade1 | we has patch? |
| 17:38.59 | batrick | nope |
| 17:39.04 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 17:39.12 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, it was too early and you know it. |
| 17:39.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: it was? We've had 3.0.8 on the PTRs for a good month now |
| 17:39.50 | Lopeppeppy | ... holidays much? |
| 17:39.56 | ScytheBlade1 | mmm, maybe |
| 17:40.24 | Lopeppeppy | Ya, for sure. |
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| 17:40.28 | zenzelezz | considering how long 3.0.8 is taking, I'm wondering when we can hope to see 3.1 |
| 17:40.44 | Lopeppeppy | One Day (tm) |
| 17:40.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah that's kind of why I'm antsy |
| 17:41.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Pushing 3.0.8 hopefully means 3.1 soon |
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| 17:42.08 | Olorin_ | if anyone cares servers are coming up |
| 17:43.04 | Zxcvb | 3.1 = third expansion pack |
| 17:43.45 | Vangual | wow 7 |
| 17:45.38 | Lopeppeppy | How many days until Christmas, guys? |
| 17:45.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably be easier to count back than forward at this point |
| 17:46.48 | Olorin_ | 345 |
| 17:47.04 | Olorin_ | http://www.calendardate.com/year2009.php |
| 17:47.31 | Olorin_ | want some more chalk? |
| 17:48.18 | Lopeppeppy | No, I've had my tums today. |
| 17:49.42 | haste | batrick: did you update your data or? |
| 17:57.24 | batrick | I just finished fixing some stuff with it ya |
| 17:57.36 | batrick | give me a sec, I'm gonna upload the whole thing (addon I made and all) |
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| 18:14.16 | AbsolutRayne | My wife has never seen Dogma before |
| 18:14.18 | AbsolutRayne | :< |
| 18:14.29 | durcyn | divorce her |
| 18:15.50 | batrick | haste: http://www.unm.edu/~batrick/files/BatMount.tar.gz |
| 18:16.06 | batrick | has everything you need, including the script which grabs all the mounts from wowhead.com |
| 18:23.57 | cog|work | AbsolutRayne: kevin smith 4tw! |
| 18:26.15 | Lunessa | Suggesting to a man who is in the throes on gaining citizenship in another country to be with a woman that he divorce her over a silly movie = sillier. :P |
| 18:27.34 | Gnarfoz | that sentence is so wrong |
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| 18:31.06 | haste | batrick: ty |
| 18:31.29 | batrick | yw |
| 18:33.13 | Lopeppeppy | Live the dream... Slumber Party! |
| 18:33.57 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: with jammies and pillow fights? |
| 18:37.09 | Lopeppeppy | Ya ya. |
| 18:37.53 | Lunessa | Hrm... it can be lunch time now? |
| 18:38.20 | Lopeppeppy | It should be, darlin'. Have a banana. |
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| 18:55.07 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37824 <- kek |
| 18:55.08 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: January 12, 2009, 7:50PM PST. |
| 18:55.08 | Shiibot | Free character moves to Drak'Tharon and Tortheldrin are now closed. Oceanic PvP transfers to Gundrak will remain available until Thursday, January 15, 7:00 am AEDT; and U.S. PvE transfers to Garrosh will remain available until Wednesday, January 14, 6:00 pm PST provided our transfer goals are not met before these times. We recommend that those wishing to transfer to do so as soon as possible. |
| 18:55.08 | Shiibot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:59.01 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0EMqcZZfMGhzfkMxqocoux <- pew versus pew |
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| 19:03.20 | Lunessa | mikma: that looks like some nice DPS. |
| 19:04.07 | mikma | lunessa: hope so! aiming for better survivability / dps in pvp+arena |
| 19:04.33 | Lunessa | *nod* I'm not big on PvP, but... it looks solid. |
| 19:05.18 | mikma | me in frost + 2 hunters, all in pve spec. 2-8 3vs3... lol |
| 19:06.18 | mikma | sure i took a shitload of beating.. but i was always last alive when opposite team had 2-3 alive |
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| 19:06.33 | erikd | any of you happen to do iphone development? |
| 19:06.38 | Tem | no 3.0.8 today I guess? |
| 19:06.47 | erikd | nope, new ptr build |
| 19:06.56 | erikd | prolly be another few weeks i'd guess |
| 19:08.26 | Tem | I really need 3.0.8 to hit already |
| 19:09.40 | erikd | ditto |
| 19:09.52 | erikd | i need the dk tanking buffs |
| 19:10.09 | sacarasc | i don't want to lose half my spell power, so i'm ok with it not turning up |
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| 19:17.15 | foxlit | "buffs" |
| 19:17.24 | foxlit | /point //cry |
| 19:17.52 | mikma | bleh, tanking buffs |
| 19:19.16 | mikma | i managed to get 542 def =/ |
| 19:19.57 | erikd | mikma: i'm talking more about howling blast and pest :) |
| 19:19.59 | foxlit | and without all that +defense crap geafr |
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| 19:20.03 | erikd | i'm def capped too |
| 19:20.17 | mikma | well... |
| 19:20.25 | erikd | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Azgalor&n=Xyph |
| 19:20.36 | mikma | usually i have hb on cdc when i start the pull =( |
| 19:20.39 | foxlit | (refering of course to gear that contains a large amount of defense and little to no other stats) |
| 19:20.55 | mikma | it requires a rune thats on cd because of d&d |
| 19:20.56 | foxlit | I pull with D&D |
| 19:21.39 | NeoTron | the hard part is not the pull but if you get adds mid-pull, mid-cooldowns |
| 19:21.39 | mikma | d&d, it, ps, pest .. and then i havfe to wait for bloodrune/frostrune to end cd |
| 19:22.01 | mikma | usually i just use blood tap and free bloodrune to pop bloodboil |
| 19:22.02 | erikd | i can usually get an IT, Pest, DnD down before i'm out of runes and once runes come back up i can howling blast |
| 19:22.04 | foxlit | NeoTron: 15s cooldown on D&D, 2m cooldown on snapping all runes |
| 19:22.08 | NeoTron | mikma: if people pull off you after that set of abilities before the first runes come off CD they need to l2notsuck |
| 19:22.12 | foxlit | Either way, UB is on runic power |
| 19:22.28 | mikma | neotron: AMEN ON THAT! |
| 19:22.45 | NeoTron | going from zero i get UB up after D&D, it, ps, pest, bb <ub> |
| 19:22.47 | mikma | i so hate the assmonkeys starting to nuke before i have aggro from al |
| 19:24.11 | Gnarfoz | somehow other tanking classes manage to front-load enough aggro so assmonkeys can get used to being assmonkeys :p |
| 19:24.27 | mikma | but anyway... d&d, it, ps, pest, bloodtab, bloodboil, (wait), hb |
| 19:24.32 | erikd | it'll all be better when howling blast doesn't have a cd :P |
| 19:24.35 | mikma | something like that |
| 19:24.55 | mikma | tap* kek |
| 19:25.24 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: I don't have an issue most of the time |
| 19:25.37 | NeoTron | but really if people waited until I did it/ps/pest things would be a lot better |
| 19:25.38 | mikma | but... getting aggro from midfight is hard on dk =( |
| 19:25.48 | NeoTron | the main issue is still when adds come in during full AoE when my stuff is on cooldown |
| 19:26.53 | mikma | same, but because of runes (not because of hb cooldown) |
| 19:27.02 | NeoTron | righ |
| 19:27.19 | NeoTron | removal of pestilence cooldown will make a huge difference |
| 19:27.29 | erikd | and howling blast |
| 19:27.38 | mikma | so whats the deal with pestilence after all |
| 19:27.59 | erikd | what do you mean? |
| 19:28.02 | mikma | doesnt need the diseased target as your target when you use it? |
| 19:28.25 | mikma | sometimes i've seen it spreading the diseases like that |
| 19:28.28 | erikd | i can't say 100% sure |
| 19:28.29 | erikd | yeah |
| 19:28.43 | erikd | sometimes it seems like it spreads when i pest on any mob |
| 19:28.47 | erikd | other times it doesn't |
| 19:29.04 | mikma | i put it and ps on mob, taunt another and hit pest by accident and suddenly all mobs have diseases |
| 19:29.13 | mikma | ya exactly |
| 19:29.37 | NeoTron | pestilence spreads all diseases, I know that much |
| 19:29.54 | NeoTron | don't know if it spreads from anything but the target mob though |
| 19:31.15 | mikma | well like i said, diseases on 1st mob, hit pest on 2nd mob, and everyone has diseases suddenly |
| 19:31.25 | mikma | its like work/not |
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| 19:31.47 | NightHawkTheSane | that ought to be easily testable :p |
| 19:32.30 | mikma | sure, get 10 mobs around you and a healer |
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| 19:42.38 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: latest opie borked up mage port ring? |
| 19:43.15 | Anaral | Okay, what causes blue screen of death in win XP, when overheating has been ruled out? |
| 19:43.32 | Gnarfoz | uncountable numbers of things. |
| 19:43.35 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/106218 |
| 19:43.35 | Anaral | blue screen with instant reboot. |
| 19:43.42 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 19:43.46 | Gnarfoz | if you get a BSOD |
| 19:43.47 | Lunessa | What DOESN'T cause BSOD? shorter list. |
| 19:43.49 | Gnarfoz | and it reboots |
| 19:43.49 | nevcairiel | all blue screens do a instant reboot, unless you turn that off |
| 19:44.00 | Gnarfoz | then YOU fail, because you didn't turn of auto reboot |
| 19:44.00 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 19:44.09 | Anaral | lol |
| 19:44.19 | Gnarfoz | anyway. |
| 19:44.25 | Gnarfoz | BSOD -> hardware fail or driver fail |
| 19:44.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: installing a different os. ;) |
| 19:44.28 | Gnarfoz | most of the time. |
| 19:44.35 | Anaral | Well there is obviously a problem, I just don't know what it is, and it's irking me. |
| 19:44.41 | Gnarfoz | see above. |
| 19:44.43 | nevcairiel | turn off instant reboot |
| 19:44.49 | nevcairiel | look what it says |
| 19:44.52 | Lunessa | NHtS - Nah, that'll make you BSOD. |
| 19:44.55 | Gnarfoz | also, don't expect to solve it over IRC |
| 19:45.06 | nevcairiel | or check the system log and see if it managed to record the bsod |
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| 19:45.18 | Anaral | I know, but irc gives at least some sort of direction. |
| 19:45.18 | Gnarfoz | sanest and most likely steps to fix it: get replacement components and swap them out one by one until the BSODs stop |
| 19:45.46 | kd3 | bleeter; heh, grats |
| 19:45.57 | Lunessa | Drivers are the first place to start. |
| 19:46.07 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: like I just said... |
| 19:46.12 | Anaral | But they don't happen constantly. This is only the second one since I installed the mobo. |
| 19:46.26 | Gnarfoz | which we obviously know happened on 1.1.1992 |
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| 19:46.32 | Gnarfoz | (how long ago is that) |
| 19:46.58 | erikd | anaral: i'd turn off the auto reboot and see which file it's complaining about before doing anything |
| 19:47.27 | erikd | last time i had a bluescreen was a problem with an nv file, that pretty much told me what was wrong :) |
| 19:47.29 | Anaral | Gnarfoz the 2nd |
| 19:47.49 | Gnarfoz | Anaral: the 2nd what |
| 19:47.54 | Gnarfoz | 2009-01-02? |
| 19:47.56 | Anaral | of Jan |
| 19:47.57 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:47.58 | Anaral | aye |
| 19:48.28 | Gnarfoz | well, it's certainly not "rare" but then I have no clue about your usage patterns. |
| 19:48.38 | Gnarfoz | turn off auto-reboot and check what the BSOD actually complains about. ;) |
| 19:48.46 | Gnarfoz | if you get lucky, it'll have a driver filename for you |
| 19:49.02 | Anaral | Well off to turn off auto-reboot and run a memtest since I did also upgrade my memory when I installed the mobo. |
| 19:49.14 | Gnarfoz | if replacing that driver doesn't help, I'd point fingers at the component the drivers are for |
| 19:49.21 | Anaral | Aye |
| 19:49.24 | Anaral | makes sense |
| 19:49.35 | Gnarfoz | also, bad ram is fun tiems :( |
| 19:49.40 | Lopeppeppy | Not. |
| 19:49.48 | Gnarfoz | <irony> |
| 19:50.19 | Anaral | Okay, autoreboot setting is in BIOS, correct? |
| 19:50.33 | Gnarfoz | not even remotely |
| 19:50.34 | erikd | nope, right click on my computer and go to properties |
| 19:50.37 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 19:50.46 | erikd | advanced tab |
| 19:50.59 | erikd | settings button under "Startup and Recovery" |
| 19:51.21 | erikd | in the "System Failure" group uncheck the "Automatically Restart" box |
| 19:51.41 | Anaral | erikd: Thanks, got it. :D |
| 19:51.46 | erikd | :) |
| 19:52.13 | erikd | should actually show you the BSoD and the mem dump next time |
| 19:52.23 | Anaral | One can hope. |
| 19:54.17 | Gnarfoz | haha, the catch-all "fuck you, your box is broken" bsod ^^ |
| 19:56.12 | Anaral | :( |
| 19:56.33 | nevcairiel | I have to admit, i didnt manage to crash vista once. |
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| 19:57.38 | erikd | i've been extremely happy with vista |
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| 19:57.58 | Lopeppeppy | Meh, it's an OS. Nothing to love, nothing to hate, it's just a thing. |
| 19:58.10 | zenzelezz | peppy, you heathen |
| 19:58.12 | erikd | i'm looking forward to Win7, especially if it does have the performance improvements people are seeing |
| 19:58.13 | Anaral | Wonder if I should switch to Win7. lol |
| 19:58.26 | zenzelezz | the OS should be admired more than most software |
| 19:58.27 | Lopeppeppy | I am a pagan, which does technically make me a heathen I think. |
| 19:58.37 | nevcairiel | All i hear from Win7 is that its already really stable and faster then Vista |
| 19:58.38 | Cronoh | Hi, I am trying to make a simple mod (startin simple anyways), I have my .toc file, and my .lua file (I am tryign to make this work without xml), anyways the Lua is not loading. I have it in the toc file and mod turned on, but it wont initialize, however if i type /script myfunction it works - any ideas? :/ |
| 19:58.48 | erikd | i'm going to install the win7 beta on my laptop |
| 19:58.54 | erikd | nev: yeah, that's what i've been hearing |
| 19:59.04 | zenzelezz | Cronoh: insufficient info |
| 19:59.21 | Cronoh | One minute, I will pastebin them |
| 19:59.21 | erikd | although... i picked up a 13" macbook on friday and i'm loving that even more :) |
| 19:59.34 | erikd | halp me, i'm being assimilated |
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| 20:00.10 | Cronoh | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/106220 |
| 20:00.25 | Cronoh | For my problem above - the lua is not being initialized automatically. |
| 20:00.53 | zenzelezz | "this" is bad |
| 20:01.20 | zenzelezz | what's it supposed to refer to anyway? You don't create any frames to register the events to |
| 20:01.20 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: likely |
| 20:01.32 | foxlit | those numbers look remotely familiar |
| 20:01.33 | Cronoh | yeah, i am hoping for an error or anything |
| 20:01.48 | Cronoh | i had it using xml before, this is just me trying to get anythign to show up ;p |
| 20:02.15 | zenzelezz | I just told you. You have to have a frame to register events to, either from XML or by creating it with CreateFrame() |
| 20:02.15 | zenzelezz | and don't use "this" |
| 20:02.39 | Cronoh | yeah one second |
| 20:02.41 | Cronoh | :] |
| 20:03.03 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: ping |
| 20:03.13 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: yes? |
| 20:03.19 | foxlit | that line |
| 20:03.27 | foxlit | OneRingLib:72 |
| 20:03.38 | foxlit | does it say something along the lines of for ... in pairs(t) do ? |
| 20:04.07 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 20:04.12 | foxlit | change t to mod |
| 20:04.58 | Cronoh | zenzelezz: Heres my new lua, http://wowuidev.pastey.net/106221 - In this example, when i /reloadui nothign happens, however if i type /script BJ_Onload() it does the Found something?! message it is supposed to |
| 20:05.04 | NightHawkTheSane | that seems to have fixed it. good old copy/paste error? ;) |
| 20:05.23 | Cronoh | oh |
| 20:05.24 | Cronoh | duh |
| 20:05.27 | foxlit | Altered a few variable names |
| 20:05.28 | Cronoh | one second dont respond :D |
| 20:06.07 | foxlit | Wanted to condense the macro-related stuff to a single block, had some atrocious variable names that I altered at the same time. |
| 20:06.11 | Cronoh | nvm working now sorry :D ty |
| 20:06.15 | foxlit | apparently didn't get all of them |
| 20:06.22 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
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| 20:09.21 | Cronoh | I'm very familiar with php, but in lua can array values be other arrays? |
| 20:09.53 | foxlit | yes |
| 20:09.56 | Cronoh | k |
| 20:09.58 | Cronoh | ty |
| 20:10.47 | NightHawkTheSane | a table value can be anything, really. |
| 20:11.58 | p3lim | hm need an event that will update let me update GetPetExperience() on login |
| 20:12.04 | p3lim | any suggestions? |
| 20:12.18 | NightHawkTheSane | PLAYER_LOGIN? ;) |
| 20:12.24 | p3lim | no good |
| 20:13.43 | p3lim | tried PLAYER_LOGIN, UNIT_PET_EXPERIENCE and UNIT_PET |
| 20:14.07 | zenzelezz | tried PEW? |
| 20:14.21 | Kirov | p3lim - there's always the tried n true method |
| 20:14.35 | foxlit | PL and PEW are more or less the same thing, info-wise |
| 20:14.48 | p3lim | PEW updates more now tho |
| 20:14.56 | Kirov | frame = CreateFrame() |
| 20:14.56 | Kirov | frame:RegisterAllEvents() |
| 20:14.56 | Kirov | on event check GetPetExperience |
| 20:14.58 | p3lim | (at loading screens) |
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| 20:15.15 | p3lim | Kirov: is RegisterAllEvents() a real API? |
| 20:15.20 | Kirov | yes |
| 20:15.20 | foxlit | yes |
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| 20:15.41 | p3lim | oh.. ill try debug it then |
| 20:16.10 | Kirov | It's best to run it a couple of times, and spit out maybe the first 10 events that it returns correct information. |
| 20:16.27 | Kirov | It's possible to get an event and have the data be valid, but have it be the wrong event if it happened on the same frame. |
| 20:17.25 | p3lim | did frame:SetScript('OnEvent' function(self, event) if(GetPetExperience()) then print(event) end end) |
| 20:17.49 | p3lim | gonna try it now |
| 20:17.52 | Kirov | that works |
| 20:17.58 | Kirov | just be ready for uber spam |
| 20:18.01 | p3lim | it does update at ReloadUI() tho.. :S |
| 20:18.20 | Kirov | Because the data is something the client knows, not the "UI" |
| 20:18.45 | Kirov | ReloadUI restarts the UI lua code, so most information is valid imediately |
| 20:19.05 | Kirov | (this isn't the case on instance changes as the information on the client might be getting refreshed) |
| 20:20.16 | Kirov | Depends on if the instance change is going from one server to another or not, if I'm not mistaken |
| 20:20.16 | p3lim | only issues with first login tho |
| 20:20.16 | Kirov | Going from Ironforge to the outside is technically an instance change, but doesn't cause any issues. |
| 20:20.26 | Kirov | That's why all the places in wrath that "change" have you fly far away to turn in a quest then fly back. |
| 20:20.39 | Kirov | It's swapping the instance you enter when going to that area. |
| 20:20.46 | p3lim | yeah |
| 20:20.53 | p3lim | hotswapping really |
| 20:21.08 | Kirov | It's most noticable when autofollowing someone and crossing the borders. |
| 20:21.20 | Kirov | The player you're following will simply disappear. |
| 20:21.20 | p3lim | one of the thinks i loved about Storm Peaks |
| 20:21.22 | kd3 | except for the first phase change in icecrown... set up your camera right and you can watch the mobs change |
| 20:21.47 | selckin | its not an instance |
| 20:22.10 | p3lim | not considered a instance per say, but an instanced zone |
| 20:22.21 | Kirov | selckin - depends on your definition of instance. |
| 20:22.40 | Kirov | For blizzard, they treat every zone as it's own instance. |
| 20:22.41 | p3lim | selckin: you mean a dungeon |
| 20:22.55 | selckin | they name it phasing, and every zone even non phasing ones, are in seperated boxes that load on the server only if ppl are in it (you can see mobs spawn etc) |
| 20:22.57 | p3lim | a dungeon and an instance is not the same thing |
| 20:22.59 | Kirov | An instance might have 2000 people in it and be accessable by everyone on tha server. |
| 20:23.21 | p3lim | like any zone |
| 20:23.48 | p3lim | hm seems UNIT_PET got it, but my info doesnt update well |
| 20:24.02 | selckin | they are not multiple 'instances' of that zone |
| 20:24.36 | kd3 | I propose: changing instances = seeing a load screen. changing phase = no load screen |
| 20:25.07 | p3lim | its within oUF, and its loaded by PLAYER_LOGIN, UNIT_PET doesnt update after PL |
| 20:25.14 | selckin | load screen you're often swapping to a diffrend physical server |
| 20:25.27 | p3lim | atleast it seems |
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| 20:26.43 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 20:26.47 | Gnarfoz | can't create new connections |
| 20:26.52 | Gnarfoz | "no buffer space available" |
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| 20:29.15 | Cronoh | What can I look up if I want a function to fire off in x amount of seconds |
| 20:30.21 | kd3 | set up an OnUpdate listener, keep track of the delta-t given in the event. as soon a your delta-t variable covers enough time for your timer, go fire off some other function |
| 20:32.59 | Cronoh | uhhhh |
| 20:33.23 | Cronoh | i hope its more simple than that :D |
| 20:33.48 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:33.48 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 20:34.23 | NightHawkTheSane | that isn't.. terribly complex |
| 20:35.38 | p3lim | found my issue, was doing a faulty unit check in the plugin |
| 20:36.04 | p3lim | UNIT_PET arg1 (unit) returns 'player', not 'pet' |
| 20:43.07 | Cronoh | I can't use onupdate if I have only a virtual frame? |
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| 20:45.39 | Kaso | why/how do you only have a virtual frame? |
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| 20:47.03 | Kaso | Cronoh, ^ |
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| 20:53.18 | Cronoh | no idea |
| 20:53.29 | Cronoh | i dont know all the terms, i have a frame i created via lua |
| 20:53.32 | Cronoh | and its not visible |
| 20:53.36 | Cronoh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.50 | Cronoh | as a side note, this line is giving me an error: players[arg2]["bid"] = tok[2] |
| 20:54.02 | Cronoh | attempted to index a field '?' (nil) |
| 20:54.26 | Cronoh | do i need to define the first index in an array before i can make it multidimensional or somethin? :o |
| 20:58.19 | Cronoh | yap, got it |
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| 21:02.53 | Kirov | Being summoned leads to a loading screen, even if you're in the same zone. |
| 21:03.02 | Kirov | (unless you're with in a certain range. |
| 21:03.15 | selckin | thats just bad coding |
| 21:03.24 | Kirov | Well, it was |
| 21:03.40 | Kirov | But if you're being teleported from one side of a zone to another, that's a lot of stuff to load |
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| 21:11.52 | Arrowmaster | Kirov: loading screen but no bar |
| 21:12.05 | Arrowmaster | the gromgol to undercity zep does the same thing |
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| 21:12.42 | End | hm |
| 21:13.44 | End | is doubleclick.net the same as doubleclick.com? |
| 21:14.05 | End | google flags doubleclick.net as an intermediary for malware |
| 21:16.22 | Arrowmaster | my guess would be no then, since google owns doubleclick.com |
| 21:16.53 | End | odd |
| 21:16.57 | End | they -are- the same |
| 21:17.04 | End | or so says whois |
| 21:29.19 | selckin | both are worth nullrouting anyway |
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| 21:46.02 | Shirik | check out this awesome message I just received on my laptop |
| 21:46.08 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/38d970dcfc1477e1dc1f55d3ef939fa5.jpg |
| 21:46.50 | Kirov | 13 hours! holy crap, plug that sucker in! |
| 21:46.50 | NightHawkTheSane | shirik, can i have your laptop battery? ;) |
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| 21:52.07 | Shirik | purl, what is weather |
| 21:52.08 | purl | rumour has it, weather is pretty |
| 21:52.16 | Shirik | ^ wtf |
| 21:54.14 | durcyn | ~literal weather |
| 21:54.15 | purl | "weather" is "pretty" |
| 21:54.29 | durcyn | so it is. |
| 21:56.16 | Arrowmaster | ~literal cmd: weather (.*?) |
| 21:58.06 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, wtf |
| 21:58.25 | Arrowmaster | it works for other stuff |
| 21:58.35 | Thunder_Child | but it was just done |
| 21:58.48 | Arrowmaster | no it wasnt |
| 21:58.49 | durcyn | nah, factoids and commands are separate animals |
| 21:59.01 | Thunder_Child | you only seem to need that one for ones with variables in them |
| 22:04.48 | Cronoh | can i add to the end of an array using: arrayname[] = value |
| 22:04.59 | foxlit | no |
| 22:05.03 | foxlit | Lua is not PHP |
| 22:05.05 | Cronoh | how would i add to the end of an array? |
| 22:05.08 | Cronoh | lol |
| 22:05.13 | Cronoh | all i know is php :D |
| 22:05.19 | NightHawkTheSane | lua.org |
| 22:05.30 | NeoTron | arrayname[#arrayname+1] = value |
| 22:05.38 | NightHawkTheSane | start there. read. |
| 22:05.54 | NeoTron | #arrayname = size of array but yes lua.org reading is a good idea |
| 22:05.55 | Cronoh | does using # before an array give you the count? |
| 22:05.59 | Cronoh | gocha |
| 22:06.33 | Cronoh | NightHawk: What would be the point of an irc channel if the answer to anyones question was to go read the manual? :x |
| 22:06.53 | Kaso | Simple c |
| 22:07.01 | NeoTron | also note that there's difference between a an ordered array with numerical keys, i.e { [1] = ..., [2] = ... } and an associative array i.e { key = value, otherkey = otherval } |
| 22:07.06 | Kaso | things like that which are core to the language you should pick up yourself |
| 22:07.10 | NeoTron | #<name> doesn't work for associative arrays |
| 22:07.17 | Kaso | i recomend giving pil a read, its worth a read |
| 22:07.18 | NightHawkTheSane | We're not here to answer your trivial little questions that are answered by simply doing research. |
| 22:07.19 | Cronoh | right, thank you. |
| 22:07.21 | Kaso | ~pil |
| 22:07.21 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
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| 22:15.33 | Tekkub | harsh :) |
| 22:15.54 | Nizomi | hmm |
| 22:16.05 | Nizomi | how do i measure the time that elapsed between 2 events? |
| 22:16.21 | Tekkub | save the time when it fires? |
| 22:16.30 | Nizomi | yeah but how do i get the time :D |
| 22:16.38 | Tekkub | GetTime() |
| 22:18.44 | Nizomi | ah ty |
| 22:19.20 | Cronoh | so, what is the best way of looping through associative arrays? i know foreach in php, is there a good equavalent for lua? :D |
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| 22:20.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ~pil |
| 22:20.38 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 22:21.49 | Cronoh | </3 |
| 22:22.52 | Esamynn | Cronoh: if we answered questions like that, we'd never have time for anything else |
| 22:23.32 | Esamynn | Cronoh: ie. RTFM http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/rtfm.png |
| 22:24.08 | Tewan | Esamynn, that pic is win. |
| 22:24.30 | Cronoh | bleh |
| 22:24.36 | Cronoh | i have been googlin |
| 22:24.45 | Cronoh | im not about to go read the whole fucking manual as its not necessary ;o |
| 22:24.56 | Tewan | Cronoh, php manual taught me more than google |
| 22:24.59 | Esamynn | Cronoh: seriously, it's all in the standard Lua manual under LOOPING |
| 22:25.02 | Cronoh | yeah |
| 22:25.05 | Cronoh | php manual is fucking win |
| 22:25.20 | Cronoh | lua not so much |
| 22:25.20 | cbreak | the lua manual is great |
| 22:25.25 | cbreak | it describes everything |
| 22:25.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Actually,if you had LOOKED at the pil link, it was very cleanly laid out and I found the answer to your question in about 15 seconds. |
| 22:25.34 | cbreak | and then there's the source code :) |
| 22:25.50 | cbreak | I like http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html more than pil |
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| 22:26.03 | NightHawkTheSane | depends on what you're looking for, both are good. |
| 22:26.07 | Esamynn | pil has some neat tidbits that aren't in the manual |
| 22:26.14 | NightHawkTheSane | pil often has implementation notes that... what Esamynn said |
| 22:26.18 | foxlit | Wonder what the point of Thrash was |
| 22:26.45 | Cronoh | cool i dont mind reading just cant find what im looking for |
| 22:27.37 | Cronoh | for i,v in arrayname do |
| 22:27.40 | Cronoh | :? |
| 22:27.47 | cbreak | that's old syntax |
| 22:27.56 | Cronoh | whats new syntax |
| 22:27.58 | cbreak | in 5.1 you should use iterator function thingies |
| 22:28.03 | cbreak | like pairs or ipairs |
| 22:28.11 | Tewan | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-pairs |
| 22:29.13 | Esamynn | http://www.lua.org/pil/4.3.5.html would be better, but the fact that you couldn't find that, given the pil link, really speaks volumes Cronoh |
| 22:30.10 | Nizomi | meh |
| 22:30.29 | Nizomi | i can't find a good way to parse the slash cmd input :D |
| 22:30.49 | Syzgyn | pairs(t) works just as well as next, t right? |
| 22:31.07 | Esamynn | yes, it's just more readable |
| 22:31.46 | Olorin_ | I have nested tables defined with preloaded data as MenuData[Leve][Row]={"value1",value"} how can I declare this empty structure ready for data to be assigned as MenuData[1][1[1]="MenuEntry1" |
| 22:32.20 | cbreak | did bliz roll out 3.0.8 in the us today? |
| 22:32.23 | Syzgyn | No |
| 22:32.36 | Esamynn | dang |
| 22:32.41 | Syzgyn | I know :( |
| 22:32.41 | cbreak | :( |
| 22:32.50 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 22:33.15 | Esamynn | I wanna be able to use Polearms! ;) |
| 22:33.16 | KarlKFI | seems liek 3.1 will never get here |
| 22:33.38 | Kaso | Nizomi, local args ={} for word in msg:gmatch("[^ ]+") do args[#args]=word; end |
| 22:33.56 | Kaso | that'll get you an array of all space separated arguments |
| 22:34.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i want to not absolutely -need- armor on my staff. |
| 22:34.05 | Nizomi | o.ô |
| 22:34.17 | Syzgyn | I want to be able to drop 100+ hit rating |
| 22:34.17 | Esamynn | Kaso: why not use strsplit ? |
| 22:34.33 | Kaso | because im oldschool |
| 22:34.42 | Syzgyn | Olorin_: MenuData = {{{}}}? |
| 22:34.49 | foxlit | Esamynn: there's no strsplit in standard lua |
| 22:35.03 | Esamynn | true |
| 22:35.07 | Kaso | blizz only added that in 2.0 didnt they? |
| 22:35.14 | Esamynn | though I think there should be |
| 22:35.15 | Kaso | thats kinda why i keep forgetting about it |
| 22:35.24 | Esamynn | blizz added it to wow Lua for 2 something |
| 22:35.25 | foxlit | so whatever you end up using, it's going to be implemented as a series of matches anyway |
| 22:35.35 | Olorin_ | Syzgyn: thanks , thought i'd tried that but ill try again |
| 22:35.53 | Esamynn | foxlit: no, strsplit is a ground up implementation |
| 22:36.24 | Nizomi | meh |
| 22:36.28 | Esamynn | much more efficient than a regex match |
| 22:36.28 | foxlit | How interesting. |
| 22:36.33 | Nizomi | making this addon will be harder than i thought xD |
| 22:36.39 | foxlit | so they moved it to C |
| 22:36.53 | foxlit | ~wdn |
| 22:36.54 | purl | World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 22:37.03 | cbreak | what will it do Nizomi? |
| 22:37.42 | foxlit | "Esamynn: blizz added it to wow Lua for 2 something" << 2.0 |
| 22:38.04 | Esamynn | couldn't remember fi that was 2.0 or slightly later |
| 22:38.12 | foxlit | They needed it for secure templates |
| 22:38.18 | Esamynn | ahh yes |
| 22:38.40 | foxlit | Wonder why I thought it was implemented in Lua |
| 22:38.41 | Syzgyn | Olorin_: You might have to just check if each array exists, and create it otherwise. |
| 22:38.43 | Esamynn | it was used in the original macro stuff |
| 22:38.55 | Kaso | i remember when it was added because it caused the most annoying bug ever for me to solve in our guild addon |
| 22:38.59 | foxlit | not only. state transitions et al |
| 22:39.01 | Nizomi | well, you will have a list of items. you can add items by name or link, and delete the ones that are already on the list. then you can set "full-stack" or a specific ammount for the items. it will count the time and ammount of items you get and will calculate an expectation of how much it will take to archieve the set ammount/get a full stack. then it should also get market-price data from auction |
| 22:39.07 | Esamynn | righty |
| 22:39.09 | Nizomi | eer to calculate a gold per hour thingy |
| 22:39.20 | foxlit | This [http://wowcompares.com/2016180/FrameXML/SecureStateHeader.lua], however, is extremely unhelpful |
| 22:39.21 | Nizomi | and maybe link the items to others like crystalized water to the eternal thingy xD |
| 22:39.29 | NightHawkTheSane | hahaha.... http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/01/13/baking_as_a_hate_crime |
| 22:39.30 | Kaso | (as we had implemented strsplit ourselves but differently, so it was wierdly mis-behaving and i couldnt think why, until i realised i wasnt looking at the code that was executing) |
| 22:39.46 | Olorin_ | Syzgyn: thanks, I think your right as its trowing a wobbly |
| 22:40.07 | Nizomi | couldn't find any similar addon :x |
| 22:40.12 | Esamynn | Kaso: lol |
| 22:40.17 | cbreak | use namespaces :) |
| 22:40.32 | cbreak | (well, prefixes) |
| 22:40.40 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: ROFL |
| 22:40.54 | Kaso | yah, i prob wouldve done that, but it wasnt my code. i was just the one trying to fix it |
| 22:41.02 | Nizomi | but i have very little experience in lua or wow-lua xD |
| 22:42.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: also, one of the best valentines ever: http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/falling-for-you.jpg |
| 22:42.59 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: work safe? |
| 22:43.14 | NightHawkTheSane | as work safe as the last link was. |
| 22:44.12 | Nizomi | basically i just wanna find the most efficient thing to farm :X |
| 22:44.55 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: bah, it's not loading |
| 22:46.23 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh, try this, i stuck it on my site: http://asylumsw.com/images/falling-for-you.jpg |
| 22:47.15 | Esamynn | oh dear |
| 22:47.17 | Esamynn | lol |
| 22:47.21 | Esamynn | that's horrible |
| 22:47.36 | NightHawkTheSane | isn't it? it's awesome. :) |
| 22:48.25 | NeoTron | so touching |
| 22:49.44 | Nizomi | meh i wan't a german version of that goblin therapist thingy |
| 22:51.34 | Esamynn | goblin therapist??!? O_o |
| 22:51.47 | Esamynn | dare I even ask? |
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| 22:52.42 | Nizomi | its an addon, based on ELIZA xD |
| 22:53.04 | Nizomi | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9780-AGT-AutomaticGoblinTherapist.html# |
| 22:53.05 | Lunessa | I'll take "the rapists" for $200, Trebek you mountebank! |
| 22:53.12 | cbreak | I made a direct port of eliza to wow ages ago... |
| 22:53.16 | cbreak | it was really terrible |
| 22:53.28 | cbreak | I made it reply in guild chat to guild chat text |
| 22:53.30 | Nizomi | but eliza with english keyword stuff etc isn't really useful on a german server |
| 22:53.54 | Nizomi | cbreak: well basically you let it talk to annoying gold beggers and stuff like that |
| 22:53.55 | Nizomi | xD |
| 22:55.11 | Nizomi | talking of goblins |
| 22:55.14 | Esamynn | Nizomi: LOL |
| 22:55.19 | Nizomi | would anyone explain that draenei joke to me? :x |
| 22:55.55 | Nizomi | i asked like 30 people and noone knew what that draenei will do with a goblin jumper cable and butter |
| 22:56.13 | Nizomi | or was that a /flirt? xD dunno |
| 22:56.23 | NightHawkTheSane | heeehee... 50 most loathsome people of 2008 http://www.buffalobeast.com.nyud.net/134/50mostloathsome2008-full.html |
| 22:57.41 | Esamynn | Nizomi: question is, do you REALLY want to know? :P |
| 22:57.55 | Nizomi | ya <.< |
| 22:58.13 | Esamynn | pervert |
| 22:58.38 | Nizomi | well you could maybe do something with jumper cables, and something with butter |
| 22:58.41 | Nizomi | but why the heck both |
| 22:58.41 | Nizomi | O_o |
| 22:58.52 | NightHawkTheSane | you need to be more creative, i think. ;) |
| 22:59.02 | Nizomi | :p |
| 22:59.13 | Nizomi | so, gold farming: nether cloth or thorium? ^^ |
| 23:00.00 | Esamynn | the best Draenei joke is the one they removed |
| 23:00.09 | Nizomi | the gnome one? |
| 23:00.21 | Esamynn | which gnome one? ;) |
| 23:00.24 | Esamynn | there are a few |
| 23:00.31 | Arrowmaster | the best jokes period are all the ones theyve removed |
| 23:00.36 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:00.44 | Arrowmaster | they have removed a lot |
| 23:00.48 | Nizomi | the one with the vibrate setting ;D |
| 23:01.04 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 23:01.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: they removed ALL the good ones. :( |
| 23:01.34 | Esamynn | "Ok! For mating ritual we will need 4, no, 5 sheep, 1 Gnome and Staff of Domination. Put Gnome in bag. Beat bag with staff and meet me after Gnome is tenderized." |
| 23:01.55 | Esamynn | it loses a lot with the translation to text, but there it is |
| 23:01.58 | Esamynn | from memory no less |
| 23:03.07 | Nizomi | well going to bed |
| 23:03.08 | Nizomi | gn8 |
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| 23:12.51 | Lunessa | Forums are full of the stupid today. I'm afraid they're breeding. |
| 23:14.15 | Esamynn | Lunessa: and when can you remember them last NOT being full of stupid? |
| 23:15.12 | Lunessa | Today they seem to be over-full of stupid. I'm afraid in fact, that it is spreading in a logarithmic progression. |
| 23:16.24 | Esamynn | most life spreads on an exponential curve, not a logarithmic one |
| 23:17.06 | Lunessa | Stupid seems to be the exception. It's certainly more plentiful than hydrogen. |
| 23:17.12 | Esamynn | too a certain point anyways, stupidity on the other hand |
| 23:17.24 | Esamynn | exponential is faster than logarithmic :P |
| 23:18.01 | Thunder_Child | but stupidity is faster than either |
| 23:18.09 | Esamynn | probably |
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| 23:24.17 | mikma | wutwork! |
| 23:25.56 | foxlit | Esamynn: exponential is faster than logarithmic :P << teehee |
| 23:26.43 | foxlit | my base > your base |
| 23:26.53 | Lunessa | My two statements did not necessarily belong together. Bad juxtaposition on my part. |
| 23:27.15 | Esamynn | foxlit: in the long run, base is irrelevant |
| 23:28.03 | foxlit | Esamynn: moo? |
| 23:28.10 | Esamynn | ~lart foxlit |
| 23:28.10 | purl | stabs foxlit |
| 23:28.17 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 23:28.17 | purl | Esamynn: :) |
| 23:28.19 | foxlit | Certainly not true :P |
| 23:30.12 | Esamynn | well, define what you mean by "base" |
| 23:30.16 | Esamynn | I meant your starting n |
| 23:33.19 | WobWork | woah http://www.chinese-tools.com/china/crazy/2008-07-18-dragongirl.html |
| 23:34.32 | mikma | cool |
| 23:34.44 | mikma | i bet she's great with piano |
| 23:36.45 | WobWork | or will be =P |
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| 23:44.28 | foxlit | Esamynn: logarithm or exponent base, duh :) |
| 23:45.01 | Esamynn | larger base on a log makes it smaller :P |
| 23:45.17 | foxlit | Would you care to expand that principle a tiny bit? |
| 23:46.07 | foxlit | or, well, just compare 2^n and log_1/3(n) |
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| 23:49.40 | Esamynn | shit, I can't even remember how log's with a base < 1 grow |
| 23:51.16 | foxlit | in magnitude |
| 23:51.29 | foxlit | they actually go down |
| 23:51.49 | foxlit | You're answering the (1/3)^x = n question |
| 23:52.01 | foxlit | Obviously, if n is huge, x needs to be negative to invert the fraction |
| 23:52.59 | Esamynn | right, I don't actually have any experience with logs with < 1 bases, I come from Comp. Sci, where we deal with logs mostly to describe algorithm run times |
| 23:53.09 | Esamynn | which means a >1 base |
| 23:53.17 | foxlit | probably binary |
| 23:53.23 | foxlit | But hey, Comp. Sci without math? |
| 23:53.24 | Esamynn | yah, generally base 2 |
| 23:53.44 | foxlit | But you were right |
| 23:53.56 | Esamynn | yah, I know, my math is... lacking in practice of late |
| 23:54.07 | foxlit | Even if we do mean things with bases and take the absolute value, it'll still grow slower than exponential functions. |
| 23:54.17 | Esamynn | :P |
| 23:54.29 | foxlit | (unless we do mean things with the base of the exponential function |
| 23:54.39 | Esamynn | lol, indeed |
| 23:54.41 | foxlit | -- in which case it simply doesn't grow at all) |
| 23:54.56 | Esamynn | ok, so let me rephrase |
| 23:55.17 | foxlit | "Logarithmic run time is better than exponential run time" :) |
| 23:55.19 | Esamynn | foxlit: in the long run, within reason, base is irrelevant |
| 23:55.43 | Esamynn | that a more accurate statement? ;) |
| 23:55.56 | foxlit | lacks context :) |
| 23:55.59 | Esamynn | true |
| 23:56.16 | Esamynn | for bases greater than 1.... |
| 23:57.29 | foxlit | Or, simply: log(n) â O(2^n) |
| 23:58.22 | Aiiane | for any given base > 1 (in other words, for all practical purposes), logarithmic time will eventually become better than exponential time. usually fairly quickly. |
| 23:58.33 | Esamynn | as I said, I didn't keep up my math "brain" which I regret at times :( |
| 23:58.48 | Aiiane | when in doubt, assume base e :P |
| 23:58.55 | foxlit | urgh |
| 23:58.57 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:59.01 | foxlit | That really depends on what you're doing |
| 23:59.13 | Esamynn | I'll assume base e when you write ln, other than that, probably base 2 or base 10 :P |
| 23:59.44 | ZorbaTHut | logarithmic bases are just constant multipliers of each other - in many cases, the constant multiplier just doesn't matter, and you can ignore base entirely |
| 23:59.58 | ZorbaTHut | (given basic info like its relative position with 1) |
