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| 00:17.22 | WobWork | I <3 vim to no end today |
| 00:17.37 | WobWork | I have a file with 75k lines of american schools |
| 00:18.12 | WobWork | and since I can't open that in excel 2003, I used vim to get the first, second and fourth columns and remove all duplicate entries |
| 00:18.29 | WobWork | bringing me down to a nice managable 13k lines |
| 00:18.38 | Cide | you can't open 75k lines in excel? |
| 00:18.43 | Cide | pretty sure that's fail |
| 00:18.44 | WobWork | giving me a list of districts and states |
| 00:18.51 | WobWork | Cide: That's excel for your |
| 00:18.54 | WobWork | er you |
| 00:19.02 | Cide | except I use it for way more than that |
| 00:19.06 | WobWork | it's limit is the 65535 or whatever number is |
| 00:19.14 | Cide | really? |
| 00:19.24 | Cide | that's funny |
| 00:19.30 | WobWork | for 2003 |
| 00:19.35 | Cide | ya, I don't use 2003 |
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| 00:19.42 | Cide | that explains things |
| 00:19.44 | WobWork | 2007 handles it fine |
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| 00:20.22 | WobWork | still... literally two commands for a text editor to do the work for you |
| 00:20.26 | WobWork | scary |
| 00:20.33 | Cide | not bad |
| 00:21.05 | WobWork | I should probably form these into SQL input lines |
| 00:21.14 | WobWork | since it's going into the DB |
| 00:21.20 | Tuller | hrm, so the only problem with fixing the 59d issue |
| 00:21.22 | WobWork | hm, unless I can import it maybe |
| 00:21.50 | Tuller | is that the time blizzard sends me relative to the anniversary date has a time that fluctuates |
| 00:22.09 | Tuller | therefore, I'm only accurate up to like 20 minutes or so :P |
| 00:23.20 | Shirik | Pop quiz |
| 00:23.31 | Shirik | anyone know why I might not be able to get the "Call to Arms" quest? |
| 00:23.44 | Cide | phone dead? |
| 00:23.52 | Shirik | huh? |
| 00:23.53 | Cide | I'll go get my coat :/ |
| 00:24.06 | Cide | who's Arms anyway? |
| 00:24.26 | Shirik | ~kill Cide |
| 00:24.27 | purl | ACTION shoots a super-inverse pseudomeson gun at Cide |
| 00:25.12 | Cide | :/ |
| 00:25.30 | Cide | django is awesome |
| 00:25.45 | Shirik | isn't django ruby? |
| 00:26.07 | Cide | no.. python |
| 00:26.10 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:26.12 | Shirik | f python |
| 00:26.22 | Cide | lol |
| 00:27.28 | Cide | nah, it's great |
| 00:27.52 | Shirik | I do need to learn python |
| 00:29.30 | Cide | it's a good langage |
| 00:29.50 | Cide | and django is a great framework for web development, which I'm constantly reminded of |
| 00:31.00 | Shirik | php is a great framework for web development |
| 00:31.19 | Xinhuan | Shirik |
| 00:31.22 | Shirik | php allows you to shoot yourself in the foot just as much as C |
| 00:31.24 | Cide | HAHAHAHA |
| 00:31.31 | Xinhuan | calls to arms shares daily with the win Wintergrasp one |
| 00:31.44 | Cide | php is fail |
| 00:31.50 | WobWork | Xinhuan: in english? |
| 00:32.03 | WobWork | (or maybe capitalisation?) |
| 00:32.07 | Shirik | thanks Xinhuan |
| 00:32.14 | Xinhuan | it means if he has the "win wintergrasp" daily, or has handed it in, he can't get the BG daily (which are all "call to arms: xxxxx") |
| 00:32.33 | WobWork | ah, they all count as the one daily? |
| 00:32.36 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 00:32.43 | WobWork | sneaksie |
| 00:32.45 | Xinhuan | you can pick up one or the other but not both |
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| 00:33.23 | ZorbaTHut | xinhuan, that explains some stuff that confused me. thanks :D |
| 00:33.45 | Xinhuan | also the win WG daily can only be gotten *during* a WG *after* the first 5 minutes |
| 00:33.59 | Xinhuan | you either get it from the guy in front of the keep gate (when defending) or at the flight point (when attacking) |
| 00:34.02 | ZorbaTHut | oho, that explains *further* things. |
| 00:34.45 | Xinhuan | and its not sharable, so its pretty silly you have to run back to the flight point to get it later |
| 00:35.28 | Xinhuan | the good thing is, when you are dead in wintergrasp, you can talk to the spirit resser to port to any other graveyard your side controls |
| 00:35.38 | Xinhuan | so i usually just port back to the flight point to pick it up |
| 00:35.52 | Xinhuan | or to the other side of the map for the factory |
| 00:36.00 | ZorbaTHut | why is this stuff not explained in the game |
| 00:36.09 | Xinhuan | its for people to explore ;p |
| 00:36.14 | ZorbaTHut | oy :P |
| 00:37.16 | randomfool | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/106090 am i getting any closer? : \ |
| 00:38.01 | Corrodias | a lot of stuff is not explained in the game |
| 00:38.43 | kd3 | this is true |
| 00:38.50 | Corrodias | as far as i know, the combat mechanics used to be pretty opaque, and still players rely on experimentation and theory to understand them |
| 00:39.22 | kd3 | they're still opaque. it takes a PhD in math to understand ej at times |
| 00:39.25 | Xinhuan | and that's a good thing |
| 00:39.50 | Corrodias | gives people something to do |
| 00:39.50 | Xinhuan | makes the game interesting |
| 00:40.11 | Duman | haha! http://www.fanboys-themovie.com/ |
| 00:40.30 | Mike-N-Go | ZorbaTHut: ping, I just got back. |
| 00:43.37 | WobWork | hm, what's the mage skill that does more damage on frozen mobs? |
| 00:43.47 | ZorbaTHut | mike, yo, what's up? |
| 00:43.52 | WobWork | (and is it aoe?) |
| 00:43.55 | Duman | Ice Lance? :) |
| 00:44.06 | Xinhuan | Shatter ? |
| 00:44.17 | Duman | oh the talent |
| 00:44.18 | Xinhuan | Ice Shards? |
| 00:44.26 | WobWork | Cause I was wondering about the synergy of a frost mage with a frost DK |
| 00:44.29 | Kirov | Shatter |
| 00:44.40 | Duman | shatter beefs you crit rate against frozen targets, yeah |
| 00:44.42 | Shirik | HELL YEAH! |
| 00:44.43 | WobWork | with the DK using hungering cold, the mage using their frozen uberdamage strike |
| 00:44.47 | Shirik | Just got the 1990-2000 AB achievement |
| 00:44.49 | Xinhuan | it works |
| 00:44.54 | Duman | shirik: nice |
| 00:44.54 | WobWork | then the DK using a Deathchilled HB =) |
| 00:44.59 | Xinhuan | by luck or organized, Shirik? |
| 00:45.02 | Shirik | um |
| 00:45.08 | foxlit | HC will break |
| 00:45.09 | Shirik | totally organized, yeah |
| 00:45.13 | WobWork | well yeah |
| 00:45.16 | WobWork | but they |
| 00:45.24 | WobWork | 'll all have the ice disease |
| 00:45.29 | Shirik | (basically we sucked until the end) |
| 00:45.29 | WobWork | which doubles HB damage |
| 00:45.32 | WobWork | which will crit |
| 00:45.34 | Shirik | (unintentionally) |
| 00:45.40 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 00:46.06 | foxlit | But anyway, on a 1m cooldown, mages aren't too interested |
| 00:46.28 | Xinhuan | and any raiding mage will not be frost spec |
| 00:46.36 | WobWork | Xinhuan: not for raiding |
| 00:46.39 | foxlit | Considering just doubling up on the mage count gets them another frost nova + potentially an elemental on a much shorter cooldown |
| 00:46.45 | Mike-N-Go | ZorbaTHut: I have a suggestion for your QuestHelper mod. When their is only a few things new found, like a FP, you could use a staticpopup/easymenu or another copy frame for the user to cut and paste that data that you set to the text box. Might be easier for some then finding and mailing their whole SV file. |
| 00:46.50 | WobWork | any frost dk with hungering cold in raiding is an idiot =P |
| 00:47.07 | WobWork | unless there's some raid instance where it'd be useful |
| 00:47.12 | WobWork | that I'm unaware of |
| 00:47.17 | ZorbaTHut | mike, that basically never happens, and there's also a huge amount of value in redundant data |
| 00:47.23 | WobWork | I was more thinking for aoe farming =) |
| 00:47.40 | WobWork | you could put out some serious damage with that combination |
| 00:47.42 | ZorbaTHut | there's also a *lot* of stuff that QH currently doesn't bother nagging you about, because I get enough data as-is and I'm too lazy to write the "hey go submit your file" code :) |
| 00:48.05 | Mike-N-Go | Alright. |
| 00:48.24 | Mike-N-Go | randomfool: ping |
| 00:48.26 | ZorbaTHut | in fact, ironically, the "go submit your file" code only looks at data structures that I basically don't care about anymore ;) |
| 00:48.38 | foxlit | again, not significantly more than any other class combination and on a considerable cooldown |
| 00:49.04 | randomfool | pong? |
| 00:49.12 | foxlit | but it's the thought that counts, I suppose :) |
| 00:49.32 | Xinhuan | Zorba, do you know that according to curse client data, there are 540k users of Questhelper, compared to omen's 360k ;p |
| 00:49.50 | Mike-N-Go | randomfool: How is your spell finder mod? |
| 00:50.01 | Mike-N-Go | Any headway? |
| 00:50.21 | foxlit | Omen has been made redundant by the trivializing of content. |
| 00:50.37 | Xinhuan | do you think ulduar would include some threat sensitive encounters? |
| 00:50.37 | ZorbaTHut | xinhuan, I could believe it |
| 00:50.41 | foxlit | Unfortunately, people are still too lazy to read quest text :( |
| 00:50.43 | ZorbaTHut | how'd you get the user-count, out of curiosity? |
| 00:50.47 | randomfool | not doing anything right now : / |
| 00:51.01 | Xinhuan | curse client requires every user to have a curse account, they just counted the install-base |
| 00:51.10 | ZorbaTHut | I didn't know they'd made the info public |
| 00:51.12 | randomfool | id like to find a well commented similar mod, if you know of any |
| 00:51.16 | Xinhuan | it isn't public ;p |
| 00:51.18 | Xinhuan | at least not yet |
| 00:51.24 | ZorbaTHut | ah :) |
| 00:51.43 | Mike-N-Go | ShamanWarning |
| 00:51.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: Considering how many people quest, versus how many people do content that even remotely requires a threat meter, thats not a terribly surprising statistic. |
| 00:51.50 | Mike-N-Go | randomfool: Check out ShamanWarning. |
| 00:51.58 | Xinhuan | yep, agreed |
| 00:52.16 | randomfool | ok thanks |
| 00:52.26 | Xinhuan | its just interesting though, since the factor is x1.5 rather than say x2 or x3 |
| 00:52.40 | Mike-N-Go | It plays sound files, but you can easily put in a debug msg to the chat frame. |
| 00:52.49 | Hjalte | You also have to consider that you can use any addon, or none, and the raid leader won't yell at you because you're not using threat-2.0 |
| 00:53.03 | Mike-N-Go | randomfool: What problems have you been having? |
| 00:53.26 | Xinhuan | yes, but consider this: 560k users of just curse client, out of 11 mil subscribers is just slightly under 5% ;p |
| 00:53.48 | randomfool | well im not getting any message in the chat frame when i cast the spell |
| 00:53.54 | Xinhuan | and there's a lot more people out there that don't use Curse Client |
| 00:53.54 | Mike-N-Go | And have you done ChatFrame1:AddMessage("var1 "..(var1 or "nil")) debug messages? |
| 00:54.02 | Mike-N-Go | Do a message for that for each var. |
| 00:54.04 | ZorbaTHut | xinhuan, that actually jives pretty well with the back-of-the-envelope estimates I've been coming up with :) |
| 00:54.23 | Mike-N-Go | It would be a lot of spam, but it should help you see if you are getting your vars right. |
| 00:54.53 | Mike-N-Go | I also recommend doing something like IsShiftDown() ChatFrame1:AddMessage("var1 "..(var1 or "nil")) end |
| 00:55.06 | Mike-N-Go | So you hold down shift, cast the spell, then let go of shift. |
| 00:55.23 | Mike-N-Go | Or it would be off of your screen before you saw it.. maybe =] |
| 00:55.41 | Mike-N-Go | Do you get what I mean about checking what is in the var? |
| 00:56.16 | randomfool | not really |
| 00:56.42 | Mike-N-Go | I'll paste you it, sec. |
| 00:58.31 | Mike-N-Go | randomfool: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/106091 |
| 00:59.07 | Mike-N-Go | Try that, I have not tested it, so I dunno if it will work or not. |
| 00:59.33 | Mike-N-Go | And, did you create a frame for your addon to use? |
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| 01:00.33 | randomfool | uhh |
| 01:00.40 | Mike-N-Go | randomfool: And do you understand how to use ...? |
| 01:00.52 | randomfool | not really |
| 01:02.05 | Mike-N-Go | ... accounts for all the other vars, if any, so you do not have to guess at how may vars the event will toss. |
| 01:02.28 | Mike-N-Go | IE: CCL_OnEvent(self,event,...) |
| 01:02.38 | randomfool | ah ok |
| 01:02.58 | Mike-N-Go | It puts the first arg tossed into self, then the second into event, and all the others into ... |
| 01:04.03 | Mike-N-Go | Your event ought to be registered via an object, in this case, a frame. |
| 01:04.05 | randomfool | oh so when you're doing like select(9,...) you're just selecting the 9th arg and basically ignoring the rest? |
| 01:04.36 | Mike-N-Go | Nope. |
| 01:04.37 | foxlit | technnically, you get everything from the 9th forward. |
| 01:04.58 | Mike-N-Go | You select the 9th, and then the others after that. |
| 01:05.12 | Mike-N-Go | local f = CreateFrame("Frame", "MyFrame") |
| 01:05.13 | randomfool | oh so its taking like 1 2 3 etc all the way to 9? |
| 01:05.21 | randomfool | then tossing the rest into ... |
| 01:06.14 | Mike-N-Go | in local spellId, spellName, spellSchool = select(9, ...) the ninth var is in spellId, 10th in spellName, 11th in spellSchool |
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| 01:07.04 | randomfool | ahh |
| 01:07.04 | Mike-N-Go | WB |
| 01:07.20 | Mike-N-Go | About the frame. |
| 01:08.00 | Mike-N-Go | Your event hook needs to be connected to a frame. |
| 01:08.10 | randomfool | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/106086 |
| 01:09.22 | Shirik | Is there anything special I have to do to make macros work with clique? |
| 01:09.32 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 01:09.34 | jnwhiteh | what are you trying to do? |
| 01:09.41 | Shirik | cast a spell and announce it to healer channel |
| 01:09.44 | jnwhiteh | you obviously need to specify the target via [target=mouseover] |
| 01:09.45 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh, did not have that link earlier. |
| 01:09.46 | Shirik | yeah |
| 01:09.51 | randomfool | this is what i had before you pasted your version http://wowuidev.pastey.net/106090 |
| 01:09.51 | jnwhiteh | if you want to cast on your clicked-target |
| 01:10.17 | Shirik | I did |
| 01:10.31 | Shirik | f this client, gah |
| 01:10.50 | Mike-N-Go | randomfool: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/106092 check out my event handler snippet from AutoMailDirector |
| 01:10.56 | Shirik | I think I just found the problem |
| 01:11.02 | Shirik | There wasn't a newline where I thought there was |
| 01:11.40 | Shirik | hm, nope |
| 01:11.42 | Shirik | still odd |
| 01:11.51 | Mike-N-Go | randomfool: That is how I registered for the event in that addon. But there are like, what, 4 different ways to register an event? lol |
| 01:11.52 | Shirik | I did |
| 01:12.00 | Shirik | script SendChatMessage("Guardian Spirit out: " .. (UnitName("mouseover") or "Lol, nobody!"), "CHANNEL", nil, "herepriest") |
| 01:12.04 | Shirik | er |
| 01:12.05 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:12.06 | Shirik | STOP THAT |
| 01:12.15 | Shirik | omg my client is so fail |
| 01:12.33 | randomfool | i see |
| 01:12.48 | Shirik | /cast [target=mouseover] Guardian Spirit /script SendChatMessage("Guardian Spirit out: " .. (UnitName("mouseover") or "Lol, nobody!"), "CHANNEL", nil, "herepriest") |
| 01:12.52 | Shirik | that's whatI did (on separate lines) |
| 01:14.13 | Mike-N-Go | randomfool: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/106095 here is the second way I have done it. |
| 01:14.22 | Shirik | bleh, ifgured it out |
| 01:14.27 | Mike-N-Go | You can also do it via xml, I think. |
| 01:14.34 | Shirik | apparently you can't use channel names like I thought you could |
| 01:14.43 | Shirik | price I pay for trying to memorize things >.> |
| 01:14.47 | Shirik | instead of going to look it up |
| 01:14.53 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: Are you trying to whisper? |
| 01:15.06 | Shirik | no |
| 01:15.25 | Syzgyn | http://i44.tinypic.com/5ue986.png |
| 01:15.31 | randomfool | i think i should just find some easier tutorials right now or something : / |
| 01:15.36 | AbsolutRayne | Really wierd thing im getting here |
| 01:15.55 | Mike-N-Go | I just worked with SendChatMessage. You need the 4th arg to be a string if whisper, or the number of a channel. |
| 01:16.04 | Mike-N-Go | randomfool: Look up the howtos on wowwiki |
| 01:16.06 | AbsolutRayne | When I Log Out somewhere (like not in an Inn), I get this 3-4 Second Pause, the it gets the Logout counter, but it starts at 16 Seconds usually |
| 01:16.08 | AbsolutRayne | Addon related? |
| 01:16.10 | Shirik | I needed the number |
| 01:16.16 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: CHeck out my addon SayAgain. |
| 01:16.25 | Shirik | which does? |
| 01:16.27 | Mike-N-Go | I think it would help you with what your doing. |
| 01:16.59 | Mike-N-Go | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12159-SayAgainAdynamicremessenger.html |
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| 01:20.22 | Mike-N-Go | It allows you to set a string, or what will resolve to a string, and send it to a any channel with keying /sa index destenation |
| 01:21.18 | Mike-N-Go | It has built-in method for getting the channel number from the channel name. |
| 01:24.40 | foxlit | A classic tale of terror: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M5rV2WpAMM |
| 01:25.19 | Corrodias | WOW that is desynched |
| 01:25.32 | foxlit | yeah, qq! |
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| 01:36.33 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: With that addon, you would pick an entry in the table in MySays.lua-yes, that is how users currently input their says-and set ["message"] = "Guardian Spirit out: " .. (UnitName("mouseover") or "Lol, nobody!") and set the ["shortname"] = "guard", then log into wow, and key /sa guard herepriest (assuming herepriest is the name of a channel), or put /sa guard herepriest in a macro, and vola. |
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| 01:40.57 | foxlit | What would be the benefit of that as opposed to getting SendChatMessage syntax right? |
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| 01:52.19 | sylvanaar | good for gold spammers to route thier spam through multiple tools |
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| 02:01.32 | Mike-N-Go | foxlit: My addon allows the user to save many messages, and then invoke them with a destination. In Shirik's case, he does not have to write a code block to find the number of the channel. |
| 02:01.54 | foxlit | Calling a single function call a code block is a bit misguided |
| 02:02.25 | Tekkub | I like to call my function calls "cockblocks" |
| 02:03.39 | Mike-N-Go | sylvanaar: The gold spammers already have their tools. It is not my concern how the user uses the addon I made. |
| 02:03.59 | Mike-N-Go | foxlit: What do you mean about a code block? |
| 02:04.27 | foxlit | Whatever you meant by "he does not have to write a code block" :) |
| 02:04.29 | sylvanaar | you do /csay channename your message |
| 02:05.51 | sylvanaar | ie /csay trade WTB stuff |
| 02:07.10 | foxlit | "Would Trigger (Not Immune PC) casts Lurker Spawn Trigger at you" |
| 02:07.46 | sylvanaar | anyhow spell spam should come from the combat log events |
| 02:11.14 | sylvanaar | http://www.forumwarz.com/ |
| 02:11.32 | sylvanaar | way too much time on thier hands |
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| 02:14.55 | Shirik|Ecole | I really need a new client |
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| 02:15.24 | Shirik|Ecole | The guy at McDonalds laughed at me when my card got declined :( |
| 02:15.43 | Shirik|Ecole | Fortunately it was because I gave him the wrong card which I replaced due to damage a while ago |
| 02:16.06 | Corrodias | did you laugh back? |
| 02:16.16 | Mike-N-Go | Did you laugh with? |
| 02:17.02 | Shirik|Ecole | no, he was mean :( |
| 02:17.13 | Thunder_Child | L2Cash |
| 02:17.39 | sylvanaar | that sucks |
| 02:19.31 | sylvanaar | did you tell him that in a few years robots will be able to do a convincing "hello, welcome to mcdonalds", and you will be rackin in the bucks while hes on welfare |
| 02:19.48 | Shirik|Ecole | lol |
| 02:19.56 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm not mean! |
| 02:20.22 | Thunder_Child | try it, it can be rather fun |
| 02:20.42 | sylvanaar | neither am i, i alwasy think of that sort of stuff afterwards |
| 02:21.24 | Thunder_Child | though i am not sure why a declined cc is funny... |
| 02:21.38 | sylvanaar | you gotta go in mad to begin with |
| 02:21.50 | Thunder_Child | or be quick witted |
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| 02:27.10 | Arrowmaster | wtf? im seriously confused now, i just started vmware workstation expecting it to yell at me since i previously only had a 180 day student license, but it didnt and then i looked at the license info and it says it expires 1/7/2012..... |
| 02:27.47 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, what do you have on it? |
| 02:27.49 | Shirik|Ecole | Arrowmaster: lol |
| 02:28.18 | Arrowmaster | nothing, i need to setup an xp for my class though |
| 02:28.28 | Shirik|Ecole | what class? |
| 02:28.31 | Thunder_Child | i put win 7 on it, works rather well |
| 02:28.41 | Arrowmaster | security+ class |
| 02:28.48 | Shirik|Ecole | lol |
| 02:28.54 | Shirik|Ecole | using windows for a security class? |
| 02:29.07 | Arrowmaster | my school is shit |
| 02:29.12 | Shirik|Ecole | I find it ironic |
| 02:29.24 | Arrowmaster | well its security+ |
| 02:29.34 | Arrowmaster | not really that technical |
| 02:29.35 | Shirik|Ecole | the very problems of windows make it a great example ^_^ |
| 02:30.11 | Thunder_Child | my sec class covered both nix/win though much time was spent on win because of it's greater proliferation |
| 02:32.29 | Shirik|Ecole | "Why are our fries the gold standard? Because only a select number of potato varieties make the cut." |
| 02:32.37 | Shirik|Ecole | Who made McDonald's fries the "gold standard" >.> |
| 02:32.56 | haste | quanity based probably |
| 02:33.04 | Corrodias | i think they've misunderstood the meaning of the term |
| 02:33.12 | Corrodias | unless they use yukon gold potatos i guess |
| 02:33.27 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, are you on their site trying to complain? |
| 02:33.37 | Corrodias | Why are our fries the gold standard? Because each one contains chunks of metal to break your teeth on. |
| 02:33.38 | Shirik|Ecole | it's on the box of fries |
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| 02:46.08 | Shirik|Ecole | hm |
| 02:46.11 | Shirik|Ecole | my stats book is kinda cynical |
| 02:46.56 | Shirik|Ecole | "Suppose that a family is leaving on a summer vacation and that M is the event that they will experience mechanical problems, T is the event that they will receive a traffic violation, and V is the event that they will arrive at a campsite with no vacancies" |
| 02:48.03 | Shirik|Ecole | this is to follow the question with "D is the event that a male drinks excessively, S is the event that he smokes, and E is the event that he doesn't exercise" |
| 02:48.26 | Aiiane | lol |
| 02:49.24 | Aiiane | Next question will be "suppose the male from problem #1 is the father of the family in problem #2. Assuming at least one problem occurs during the vacation, what is S, the probability that the father will commit suicide" |
| 02:49.39 | Cide | 1 |
| 02:50.45 | Shirik|Ecole | last wednesday my stats teacher was discussing a non-discrete event by using the example of "average number of cigarettes Barak Obama smokes daily" |
| 02:52.00 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> local n = 5+4+7+2+1+3+6; return n / (n+8) |
| 02:52.01 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: 0.77777777777778 |
| 02:52.03 | Shirik|Ecole | damn |
| 02:52.11 | Shirik|Ecole | 78% chance that sommething goes wrong on your summer vacation |
| 02:52.13 | Shirik|Ecole | that sucks |
| 02:53.15 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 02:53.27 | Shirik|Ecole | those were numbers identifying locations on the diagram, not the actual probabilities |
| 02:53.29 | Shirik|Ecole | that's good >.> |
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| 03:08.23 | Thunder_Child | that might not be inncorect Shirik|Ecole, since "wrong" can be rather small. |
| 03:08.57 | Thunder_Child | though i would peg it at 99% myself |
| 03:09.14 | Aiiane | you know what amuses me shirik |
| 03:09.20 | Aiiane | is the fact that you bothered to make n local |
| 03:10.42 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 03:10.47 | Shirik|Ecole | habit I guess |
| 03:11.06 | Aiiane | not a bad habit to have, all things considered |
| 03:11.36 | Iriel | What bothers me is that a "probability" of > 1 didn't seem odd. |
| 03:11.50 | Shirik|Ecole | hm? Probability was 0.77 |
| 03:12.11 | Iriel | what were 5,4,7,2,1,3, and 6 ? |
| 03:12.11 | Shirik|Ecole | you you mean all the 5, 4, 7, etc? |
| 03:12.19 | Shirik|Ecole | I thought they were the number of families that experienced problems |
| 03:13.11 | mikma | anyone has a cool solution how to play music in ventrilo, yet use push to talk for microphone? :I |
| 03:13.37 | Thunder_Child | mikma, music is constant |
| 03:13.49 | WobWork | mikma: set up two accounts |
| 03:14.20 | Shirik|Ecole | mikma: Depending on your sound driver, you could tie vent to the "what you hear" line and bind a key to unmute the mic |
| 03:15.18 | Thunder_Child | there was some software i cam across a while ago that let you choose the output of whatever |
| 03:15.27 | WobWork | can you run two instances of Vent at the same time? |
| 03:15.31 | Shirik|Ecole | yes |
| 03:15.36 | Shirik|Ecole | but you have to supply a command line option |
| 03:15.38 | Shirik|Ecole | -m |
| 03:15.50 | mikma | shirik|ecole: "what u hear" nearly exploded my head when i tested it :D |
| 03:15.54 | Shirik|Ecole | rofl |
| 03:16.18 | mikma | all i kinda need is a winamp -> ventrilo, not all sounds |
| 03:16.32 | Shirik|Ecole | you said you wanted a quick solution :) |
| 03:16.48 | mikma | i said cool! now quick |
| 03:16.52 | WobWork | wait, you want to listen to music? |
| 03:16.57 | Shirik|Ecole | bah fine |
| 03:16.58 | WobWork | Or play music over vent |
| 03:17.03 | Shirik|Ecole | play over vent, WobWork |
| 03:17.09 | Shirik|Ecole | but obviously something needs to play it |
| 03:17.49 | mikma | i was searching it with google, some people are using some kind of software to capture winamp output and that program emulates it as a device -> select that on second ventrilo |
| 03:18.42 | Shirik|Ecole | that's a good solution |
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| 03:20.55 | WobWork | We used to have a complete random log into our vent server |
| 03:21.07 | WobWork | yell out: "DO YOU LIKE RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE?!?!" |
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| 03:21.14 | WobWork | then play a random RatM song |
| 03:22.35 | Corrodias | rage against the coke machine |
| 03:24.00 | WobWork | did it eat your change again? |
| 03:26.02 | NightHawkTheSane | your MOM ate my change again |
| 03:29.37 | Arrowmaster | ive used something called Virtual Audio Cables before, it had a slight delay in the sound though |
| 03:29.47 | WobWork | Oh damn, don't worry NightHawkTheSane, I'll shake her down for it later. |
| 03:30.13 | WobWork | Is pally consecrate centred on the pally, or a targeted effect? |
| 03:37.12 | Gngsk | WobWork, first one |
| 03:37.13 | NightHawkTheSane | pally |
| 03:37.17 | Gngsk | pbae |
| 03:39.38 | WobWork | pally based area effect? =) |
| 03:39.50 | NightHawkTheSane | point blank, but close enough :p |
| 03:39.55 | WobWork | hehe |
| 03:40.15 | WobWork | Was just thinking that that sort of aoe is great for VH |
| 03:40.31 | WobWork | but DK tanks have it better cause they can cast it from a distance on the run |
| 03:40.48 | NightHawkTheSane | arguably |
| 03:41.00 | NightHawkTheSane | they're very different spells with different advantages |
| 03:41.09 | WobWork | well, the futher away I can cast it, the more time I have to regen those runes |
| 03:41.16 | WobWork | er |
| 03:41.23 | WobWork | situationally I mean specifically for VH |
| 03:41.27 | NightHawkTheSane | true, for starting a fight its probably a bit nicer. |
| 03:41.33 | NightHawkTheSane | but mid-combat it's less so |
| 03:41.37 | Seerah | HAPPY BIRTHDAY, CAIRENN!!! |
| 03:41.39 | WobWork | yeah, more fiddly |
| 03:41.41 | WobWork | zomg |
| 03:41.49 | WobWork | 21 today! 21 today! 21 today! |
| 03:41.51 | Cairenn | thanks Seerah :) |
| 03:41.51 | NightHawkTheSane | mana has no 'rotation' to worry about really |
| 03:42.01 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, just ... mana =) |
| 03:42.10 | Cairenn | I am _not_ 63 WobWork, thank you very kindly! |
| 03:42.14 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 03:42.23 | WobWork | 21 today! 21 today! -21 today! |
| 03:42.27 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 03:48.30 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf you mean connection reset by peer |
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| 03:48.36 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm on the same connection |
| 03:48.40 | Shirik|Ecole | ~stable Shirik |
| 03:48.44 | Shirik|Ecole | ~staple Shirik |
| 03:48.45 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Shirik quite well, and hands Shirik to shirik|ecole |
| 04:03.36 | Thunder_Child | my recycle bin is acting up....how odd |
| 04:04.05 | kd3 | thaddius? are people failing at the jump or at noticing their debuff? |
| 04:04.32 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: yes. |
| 04:04.44 | NightHawkTheSane | if there was a way to fail at that fight, someone did it. |
| 04:05.03 | NightHawkTheSane | including sub-par dps. >< |
| 04:05.46 | kd3 | ouch |
| 04:07.32 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. we're a fairly casual guild, so I'm not hugely -surprised-, but its a bit frustrating. |
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| 04:34.23 | iewnait | anyone know how to set the font style for gametooltip? |
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| 04:42.23 | Arrowmaster | iewnait: do you want to change it for all GameTooltip frames or the specific GameTooltip frame? |
| 04:42.42 | iewnait | just the specific frame i guess |
| 04:45.20 | Arrowmaster | lets see, youd likely have use frame:GetChildren() and iterate over all of them setting the font of all fontstrings |
| 04:46.03 | Arrowmaster | not sure how it would work when a really long tooltip is created later and the game has to create additional fontstrings |
| 04:49.04 | iewnait | hmz tks for the help :) |
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| 05:18.29 | Mike-N-Go | lol. A guildy of mine is complain' about not being able to find an enchanter to 'chant his level 70 bracers with 2 defense because that is all he needs.. |
| 05:20.08 | Hirsute | .... cheapskate much? |
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| 05:37.18 | Duman | Happy Birthday, Cairenn :) |
| 05:37.27 | Cairenn | thanks Duman :) |
| 05:38.17 | Tem | zomg |
| 05:38.23 | Tem | Cairenn, happy birth day |
| 05:38.26 | Tem | how did I miss it? |
| 05:38.29 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:38.35 | Tem | or is it only 39 minutes in? |
| 05:38.40 | kd3 | yay for january birthdays! |
| 05:38.48 | Cairenn | no, 39 mins over |
| 05:38.51 | Tem | :( |
| 05:38.58 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:39.04 | Cairenn | when's yours, kd3? |
| 05:39.09 | kd3 | 27th |
| 05:39.27 | kd3 | pretty sure I've got that in my profile on wowi... |
| 05:41.28 | kd3 | that'd be an interesting point of data... birthdays distributed among mod authors |
| 05:41.34 | kd3 | wonder if the birthday paradox holds true? |
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| 05:43.46 | Cide | of course it does |
| 05:43.48 | Cide | it's math. |
| 05:44.09 | kd3 | rather; "what dates fit the birthday paradox?" |
| 05:44.19 | kd3 | especially since there's more than 366 people on the site... >.> |
| 05:45.08 | Cide | pigeonhole principle says it holds then :P |
| 05:45.08 | Cairenn | birthday paradox? |
| 05:45.28 | kd3 | pick a room of ~23 people. 50% odds of two of them having the same birth day. |
| 05:45.34 | Cairenn | ah |
| 05:45.47 | Cide | mindboggling but true |
| 05:47.03 | Thunder_Child | kd3, 367 |
| 05:47.21 | Cide | there's more than both 366 and 367 people on wowi |
| 05:47.30 | kd3 | thus "more than 366". you can't have 366.33333 people |
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| 05:47.36 | Thunder_Child | but not all are authors |
| 05:47.49 | Thunder_Child | and i think kd3 specified authors |
| 05:48.28 | Mike-N-Go | kd3: Do you mean day, month, year? |
| 05:48.36 | Mike-N-Go | kd3: Or just day/month? |
| 05:48.44 | kd3 | just day/month |
| 05:51.21 | Tem | kd3, wow |
| 05:51.24 | Tem | I'm the 26th |
| 05:51.54 | kd3 | so then if we fiddle with time zones, gasp! we have the same birthday somewhere, probably |
| 05:52.48 | kd3 | anyway, going on 1 am. time for sleep |
| 05:54.09 | Mike-N-Go | Gppd mogjt. ld |
| 05:54.14 | Mike-N-Go | Good night kd3* |
| 05:54.23 | Cairenn | night kd3 |
| 05:54.31 | Thunder_Child | lol Mike-N-Go, nice right shift |
| 05:55.01 | Kirov | How can you tell # you are? |
| 05:55.14 | Mike-N-Go | Kirov: Number of what? |
| 05:55.35 | Kirov | member on wowi, I guess |
| 05:56.04 | Cairenn | go to your profile page |
| 05:56.52 | ZorbaTHut | hahahah this is so doomed. |
| 05:56.57 | ZorbaTHut | #6 on the DPS charts |
| 05:56.59 | ZorbaTHut | on heroic archavon |
| 05:57.01 | ZorbaTHut | as the tank :( |
| 05:57.04 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=8417 |
| 05:57.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ kind of awesome |
| 05:57.21 | Kirov | userid=14797 |
| 05:57.27 | Cairenn | yep |
| 05:57.35 | Kirov | Late adopter |
| 05:57.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: ... yeah, not good. |
| 05:57.53 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, i hope they did that by age |
| 05:58.13 | ZorbaTHut | I'm partially here because the raid leader is competent and will start evicting people |
| 05:59.11 | ZorbaTHut | and because I want to see if I can tank the damn thing |
| 05:59.28 | NightHawkTheSane | then again, i can't say much for fail raids, as we had quite few people fail to get the whole 'charges' thing on thaddius earlier |
| 05:59.28 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, its an easy fight to tank, he doesn't really hit amazingly hard |
| 05:59.34 | ZorbaTHut | but my equipment kind of sucks |
| 05:59.38 | ZorbaTHut | I'm barely topping 22k unbuffed |
| 05:59.49 | NightHawkTheSane | what class? |
| 05:59.51 | ZorbaTHut | warrior |
| 06:00.05 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* still probably good enough. |
| 06:00.18 | ZorbaTHut | probably, yeah |
| 06:00.22 | Syzgyn | Zorba: 10 or 25? |
| 06:00.22 | Thunder_Child | WTF....where did this pic come from http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=2047 |
| 06:00.29 | ZorbaTHut | syz, 25 |
| 06:00.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: see where he said "heroic" ;) |
| 06:01.07 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: No, I wasnt paying attention to it before |
| 06:01.13 | Syzgyn | ~lart NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:01.13 | purl | eats NightHawkTheSane and falls over dead |
| 06:01.48 | NightHawkTheSane | its like ten lines up. ;) |
| 06:02.03 | Thunder_Child | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=6164 |
| 06:02.05 | Syzgyn | You and your counting! |
| 06:02.07 | Syzgyn | and logic! |
| 06:02.14 | Syzgyn | BAH I say! |
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| 06:06.32 | Kirov | What Bear is Best? |
| 06:06.44 | Kirov | ... |
| 06:07.12 | Kirov | What name is better for my new computer? Obelisk or Menhir? (my current gaming computer that's being retired is named Monolith) |
| 06:07.26 | Nom- | http://i18.tinypic.com/52w3u3d.gif |
| 06:07.36 | Tekkub | all bears are best |
| 06:07.45 | Shirik|Ecole | bahhhh |
| 06:07.52 | Shirik|Ecole | This stupid hex editor doesn't have an option to output in decimal! |
| 06:07.56 | Shirik|Ecole | I need a decimal editor! |
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| 06:16.43 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> SendChatMessage = print; SendChatMessage("\199\157\117\111\202\142\201\185\199\157\202\140\199\157\032\111\049\049\199\157\201\165", "GUILD) |
| 06:16.43 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 06:16.51 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> SendChatMessage = print; SendChatMessage("\199\157\117\111\202\142\201\185\199\157\202\140\199\157\032\111\049\049\199\157\201\165", "GUILD") |
| 06:16.51 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: ÇuoÊɹÇÊÇ o11ÇÉ¥, GUILD |
| 06:16.55 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 06:16.58 | Shirik|Ecole | So I guess I can't do that |
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| 06:24.17 | Shirik|Ecole | I liked english |
| 06:24.20 | Shirik|Ecole | but I had good teachers |
| 06:25.03 | Thunder_Child | it's not that, i really dislike essays, i prefer to be concice....not helpful when writing an essay |
| 06:26.26 | NightHawkTheSane | most of my better english teachers/professors appreciated concise. but there's a big difference between being concise, and simply not writing enough |
| 06:27.59 | Shirik|Ecole | I enjoy writing actually |
| 06:28.06 | Shirik|Ecole | but it's a valid point |
| 06:28.17 | Shirik|Ecole | there's a difference between technical writing and english writing |
| 06:28.21 | Thunder_Child | 'enough' is an opnion, if i get the point across that should work |
| 06:28.25 | Thunder_Child | but no |
| 06:28.42 | Shirik|Ecole | Most of my teachers did not place requirements on size for that very reason |
| 06:28.53 | Shirik|Ecole | so long as you fufilled the requirements, you got an A |
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| 06:29.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: if your teacher doesn't think you're getting the point across, then you're not. in which case you're not being concise at all |
| 06:29.28 | Shirik|Ecole | on the other hand |
| 06:29.40 | Shirik|Ecole | my technical report writing teacher often said things like "Must be less than half a page" |
| 06:29.51 | Shirik|Ecole | then you would start off by writing 2 pages and then try to figure out how to shoten it |
| 06:29.58 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, no, this teacher has a size requirenment |
| 06:30.01 | Shirik|Ecole | spend 1 hour writing it, 5 hours making it short |
| 06:30.18 | Thunder_Child | requirement* |
| 06:30.50 | NightHawkTheSane | and? size requirements aren't really inherently bad. sometimes a good teacher will know that you can't effective write about the topic in question in less space than that. |
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| 06:31.06 | NightHawkTheSane | course, the flip side is that bad teachers use them as kludges. but *shrug* |
| 06:32.01 | Aiiane | the best teachers generally tend to give fairly broad ranges |
| 06:32.51 | Shirik|Ecole | In grade school, I can understand the need for a size requirement |
| 06:32.59 | Shirik|Ecole | when you get to the college level, it's not really a valid statement anymore I think |
| 06:33.08 | Shirik|Ecole | I can understand why a teacher might say "write no moe than X pages" |
| 06:33.12 | Shirik|Ecole | but not "no less than" |
| 06:33.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik|Ecole: eh, it can be. for reaserch-style papers, a "x-y pages in length" seems reasonable, if you write to little you're obviously not doing much research :p |
| 06:33.56 | Aiiane | most of my professors tend to give loose requirements along the lines of "I highly doubt you can appropriately cover the topic in less than about X pages, and I don't want to read more than Y" |
| 06:34.12 | Shirik|Ecole | If you aren't doing much research, then you don't get a good grade |
| 06:34.14 | Shirik|Ecole | simple enough |
| 06:34.15 | Aiiane | they're not hard and fast "YOU MUST WRITE THIS MUCH" |
| 06:34.28 | Shirik|Ecole | A teacher could say something like "It should be about 4 pages" or something like that |
| 06:34.28 | Aiiane | it's just "you're probably going to end up writing about this much" |
| 06:34.29 | NightHawkTheSane | well im not going to dispute that, but im just saying :p |
| 06:34.30 | Shirik|Ecole | but not a limit |
| 06:35.03 | Shirik|Ecole | that being said, like I said earlier, I never had a problem reaching page limits |
| 06:35.04 | Aiiane | shirik: also, it depends a lot on what year the class is |
| 06:35.12 | Aiiane | a freshman level course is probably going to set more specific limits |
| 06:35.19 | Shirik|Ecole | my 10th grade research paper was about 40 pages |
| 06:35.21 | Aiiane | simply because they don't expect the freshmen to know quite as well what's expected |
| 06:35.40 | Shirik|Ecole | Aiiane, I would say (as I said earlier) that that is something that should be learned while in grade school |
| 06:35.42 | Aiiane | whereas a junior/senior level course is a lot more likely to just say "adequately cover the topic and length be damned" |
| 06:35.53 | Aiiane | unfortunately, it's not, shirik |
| 06:35.54 | Shirik|Ecole | I may be biased, though, as I took full IB diploma in HS |
| 06:38.00 | Aiiane | I'm most certainly biased, I had taken differential equations and multivee before I got out of HS |
| 06:38.02 | Aiiane | :P |
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| 06:38.37 | Thunder_Child | me, i had fun before i left HS |
| 06:40.34 | Aiiane | shirik: the reality of the matter, though, is that the average student doesn't come in really knowing how to write college-level papers |
| 06:40.53 | Aiiane | for some definition of college-level paper, at least |
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| 06:42.06 | ZorbaTHut | 368 DPS |
| 06:42.09 | ZorbaTHut | raid-buffed on Archavon |
| 06:42.30 | NightHawkTheSane | is it possible to do that little? |
| 06:42.46 | ZorbaTHut | yes, and I have the recount to prove it |
| 06:42.48 | Tekkub | don't ask that |
| 06:42.50 | Aiiane | yes, that is shadowpriest meleeing |
| 06:42.55 | Aiiane | ;) |
| 06:43.06 | Tekkub | my duo pally-tard just recently got up to ~500DPS (at 75) |
| 06:43.21 | ZorbaTHut | it . . . seems to be a shaman who cast lava burst once, flame shock once, and melee'ed twice (missing both times) |
| 06:43.28 | Aiiane | ...lol |
| 06:43.54 | Shirik|Ecole | That being said |
| 06:43.59 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm writing a really fun paper now :) |
| 06:44.04 | Aiiane | o rly |
| 06:44.07 | Aiiane | topic? |
| 06:44.12 | ZorbaTHut | I was thinking that maybe they'd just made a mistake and gotten instantly slain, but how do you die in the first five seconds on archavon? |
| 06:44.33 | Shirik|Ecole | Well, "writing" is used in poor terms, as we (prof and I) just decided to write it like 2 days ago |
| 06:44.43 | Shirik|Ecole | but it's regarding vectorizing compilers and their limitations |
| 06:45.09 | Shirik|Ecole | It comes from an issue I encountered a few months ago which severely slowed down my code |
| 06:45.46 | Shirik|Ecole | but I'm not sure which angle to take, whether to improve the compiler or the programmer |
| 06:46.22 | Shirik|Ecole | Cairenn: ping |
| 06:46.28 | Cairenn | Shirik|Ecole: pong |
| 06:46.38 | Shirik|Ecole | want to do me a favor? ^_^ |
| 06:46.43 | Cairenn | maybe |
| 06:46.46 | Shirik|Ecole | (Now we get to see how much she trusts me) |
| 06:47.02 | Aiiane | (at this point, a little red flag goes up) |
| 06:47.20 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 06:47.38 | Shirik|Ecole | I need to test something for Auctioneer, but I don't have access to a guild. I tried logging on to Draka but I still don't have access to the "guild control" frame. Would you be willing to give that access to me for all of about 30 seconds? ^_^; |
| 06:47.53 | Cairenn | which side? |
| 06:48.06 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm on alliance right now |
| 06:48.13 | Shirik|Ecole | but it doesn't matter |
| 06:48.48 | Cairenn | guild leadership gets passed around in those guild to whichever author needs it to test something |
| 06:48.59 | Cairenn | guilds* |
| 06:49.06 | Shirik|Ecole | wow |
| 06:49.11 | Shirik|Ecole | I STILL can't see guild chat |
| 06:49.13 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf is going on |
| 06:49.53 | Cairenn | you've got it |
| 06:50.04 | Cairenn | don't know if you saw the message or not |
| 06:50.22 | Shirik|Ecole | thanks :) |
| 06:50.24 | Shirik|Ecole | No I didn't |
| 06:50.25 | Shirik|Ecole | but I saw it |
| 06:50.28 | Shirik|Ecole | gave it back, thanks Cairenn |
| 06:50.33 | Cairenn | np |
| 06:50.43 | Cairenn | you could have kept it if you needed it for a while or whatever |
| 06:50.57 | Shirik|Ecole | no I needed it for 30 seconds to verify something that I knew wasn't true really wasn't true |
| 06:51.21 | Shirik|Ecole | It's actually from a year ago >.> |
| 06:51.25 | Shirik|Ecole | cleanup work, yay |
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| 07:07.31 | Tekkub | turkey pepperoni is evil |
| 07:09.18 | Thunder_Child | evil good or evil bad? |
| 07:09.46 | Tekkub | ebil evil |
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| 07:24.33 | Mike-N-Go | Hum.. I am having a bit of a pipe problem. |
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| 07:25.55 | Thunder_Child | weed and tobacco can be bad for you |
| 07:26.12 | Kirov | tobacco, yes ... weed, less so |
| 07:26.15 | Mike-N-Go | help|toggle in a string outputs -> helpoggle in the wow chat frame. |
| 07:26.20 | Thunder_Child | i said *can* |
| 07:26.41 | Kirov | sage can be dangerous too |
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| 07:28.40 | Mike-N-Go | In my addon. |
| 07:28.48 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 07:28.53 | Mike-N-Go | But not when I do it from /run.. |
| 07:29.08 | Mike-N-Go | Oh well; I just put a space after the pie, it fixed it. |
| 07:29.45 | Mike-N-Go | I tried to format it with %q, escape the pipe, and use the hex for pipe. |
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| 07:31.07 | jnwhiteh | any pipes typed into an editbox get doubled |
| 07:31.14 | jnwhiteh | you should use \124 to avoid that |
| 07:32.24 | iewnait | is there a losefocus event for button/frame. So that i can trigger for a frame/button to hide when the user click anywhere else on the screen? |
| 07:32.40 | jnwhiteh | well buttons don't have focus, so no. |
| 07:32.43 | jnwhiteh | you can OnEnter and OnLeave |
| 07:32.50 | jnwhiteh | which should be sufficient, no? |
| 07:33.34 | iewnait | no quite |
| 07:33.37 | iewnait | not* |
| 07:34.02 | iewnait | i want to click a drop down menu when i right click a button |
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| 07:34.23 | iewnait | the menu should remind till i click anywhere else on the screen |
| 07:34.34 | iewnait | less the menu itself |
| 07:34.39 | iewnait | how do i do that? |
| 07:34.49 | iewnait | remain* |
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| 07:34.55 | jnwhiteh | dropdown menus already do that when you have the attributes set correctly |
| 07:35.09 | Mike-N-Go | jnwhiteh: What is this about doubling? |
| 07:35.13 | jnwhiteh | or am I missing something? |
| 07:35.28 | jnwhiteh | Mike-N-Go: Anytime you type | into an editbox, it is doubled into || |
| 07:35.58 | jnwhiteh | because | is an escape code, and || is the code for "print an actual |" |
| 07:35.58 | Mike-N-Go | Why might that be? |
| 07:35.58 | jnwhiteh | so if you are having issues, you should use \124 instead of | |
| 07:36.18 | Mike-N-Go | I thought that \ was the escape character? |
| 07:36.28 | jnwhiteh | that's the string escape character |
| 07:36.33 | jnwhiteh | | is _an_ escape character |
| 07:36.39 | jnwhiteh | used for color codes, hyperlinks, etc. |
| 07:36.45 | jnwhiteh | in WoW, not Lua |
| 07:36.54 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, gotcha. |
| 07:37.00 | Thunder_Child | Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role in a Motion Picture |
| 07:37.00 | Thunder_Child | Winner: Heath Ledger for The Dark Knight (2008) |
| 07:37.04 | Thunder_Child | theres a surprise |
| 07:38.02 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.31 | jnwhiteh | Mike-N-Go: you can see this by typing /run print(#"|") |
| 07:38.33 | jnwhiteh | it'll return 2 |
| 07:39.37 | Mike-N-Go | jnwhiteh: Tjamls fpr the clarifaction. |
| 07:39.41 | jnwhiteh | np |
| 07:39.41 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks for* |
| 07:39.52 | Mike-N-Go | Or did you understand that =O |
| 07:40.02 | jnwhiteh | I did |
| 07:40.08 | jnwhiteh | made complete sense, sadly enough =) |
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| 07:58.26 | Thunder_Child | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=5913 |
| 07:59.48 | Tekkub | heh |
| 08:01.26 | Tekkub | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=1154 |
| 08:01.33 | Tekkub | that one wins |
| 08:01.43 | Tekkub | the explosion in the background |
| 08:02.44 | haste | lol, rocket monster |
| 08:03.13 | haste | gold :D |
| 08:03.28 | haste | god I need to refresh my kanji regulary again |
| 08:04.40 | Thunder_Child | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=7177 |
| 08:05.10 | Tekkub | so uhm, what's this with Atlantis ending? |
| 08:05.16 | Tekkub | that kinda came out of nowhere |
| 08:05.27 | Tekkub | maybe if I actually saw TV ads I would have known.... |
| 08:05.50 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, which one? |
| 08:06.01 | Tekkub | Stargate Atlantis |
| 08:06.07 | Thunder_Child | which ep |
| 08:06.10 | Tekkub | the ep we watched tonight was series finale |
| 08:06.18 | Thunder_Child | 20? |
| 08:06.23 | Thunder_Child | i thought they did more than that |
| 08:06.30 | Tekkub | 20? |
| 08:06.35 | Thunder_Child | ep #20 |
| 08:06.37 | Tekkub | it was the 100th ep |
| 08:06.46 | Thunder_Child | ep #20 of season 4 |
| 08:06.52 | Adys | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=2346 |
| 08:06.53 | Thunder_Child | er 5 |
| 08:06.56 | Tekkub | oh, yea I think it was |
| 08:07.08 | Thunder_Child | then what do you mean about the ending? |
| 08:07.49 | Tekkub | I mean, I didn't expect them to up and cancel the show already |
| 08:08.03 | Tekkub | SG-1 lasted twice as long |
| 08:08.20 | Tekkub | also the Hammond thing, did the actor die? |
| 08:08.38 | AnduinLothar | i didn't realize it was ending till last week when they announced the next was the lastone |
| 08:08.52 | Tekkub | he did, heart attack, just like they said in the show... that sucks |
| 08:09.13 | Tekkub | yea I skipped last week's cause it was just... worse episode evar |
| 08:09.16 | Thunder_Child | well the have the next stargate comming out soon |
| 08:09.20 | Thunder_Child | they* |
| 08:09.32 | Tekkub | skipped to the end, caught the "oh shit they sent coords" and was done |
| 08:09.40 | AnduinLothar | lulz dude being drilled in the head with a power tool |
| 08:09.49 | Tekkub | yea I know, Stargate Voyager |
| 08:09.56 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, thats not the last one |
| 08:10.00 | Tekkub | now that DS9 is over with ^^ |
| 08:10.01 | Thunder_Child | thats #19 |
| 08:10.08 | AnduinLothar | wait, next stargate? |
| 08:10.13 | Thunder_Child | yes AnduinLothar |
| 08:10.16 | Tekkub | TC... LAST WEEK's |
| 08:10.22 | Tekkub | not "the last one" |
| 08:10.28 | Tekkub | I watched the last ep |
| 08:10.31 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 08:10.46 | Tekkub | yea AL, they're following the star trek show line... |
| 08:10.55 | Tekkub | first show was a new planet every episode... |
| 08:10.58 | Thunder_Child | well not really |
| 08:11.14 | Tekkub | second was "we have a base station and bring the stories to it, but sometimes go offworld too" |
| 08:11.15 | AnduinLothar | atlatis was ds9ish |
| 08:11.20 | AnduinLothar | but they skipped TNG |
| 08:11.21 | Tekkub | third will be "OMG LOST IN SPACE!" |
| 08:11.37 | Tekkub | I was equating TNG to the first |
| 08:11.43 | Tekkub | orig doesn't count ^^ |
| 08:11.47 | AnduinLothar | lulz |
| 08:11.55 | Thunder_Child | nothin wrong with a little zomg lost in space |
| 08:11.57 | Tekkub | stargate the movie can be ST orig |
| 08:11.59 | AnduinLothar | not when SG-1 was a decade long |
| 08:12.07 | AnduinLothar | it can be both |
| 08:12.18 | Tekkub | hey all the startreks, sans enterprise, were like 7 seasons |
| 08:12.33 | AnduinLothar | OG was only like 3, neh? |
| 08:12.34 | Tekkub | so SG1+Atlantis is still more than TNG+DS9 |
| 08:12.44 | Adys | oh wow |
| 08:12.48 | Adys | thats amazing |
| 08:12.52 | Adys | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=4584 |
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| 08:13.21 | AnduinLothar | on the right is pretty much what i wear to work |
| 08:13.26 | Tekkub | "where people actually do work on computers, not just dicking around" |
| 08:13.26 | Thunder_Child | yes Adys, but you wouldnt know the guy in the suit breaks down all the time |
| 08:13.55 | AnduinLothar | gene's, tshirt and a jacket/hoodie |
| 08:14.01 | AnduinLothar | jeans lol |
| 08:14.06 | Adys | how did you spell that |
| 08:14.07 | Adys | oh |
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| 08:14.23 | Tekkub | sadly, I wouldn't hire the suit guy, just because I hate the "business world" |
| 08:14.35 | AnduinLothar | but yea, programmers don't wear suits |
| 08:14.46 | AnduinLothar | wore one to the inteview |
| 08:14.50 | Tekkub | but I would call the mac guy a damn dirty hippie all the time just to feel better |
| 08:15.50 | Thunder_Child | i wore jeans to work all the tome |
| 08:15.52 | Thunder_Child | time* |
| 08:16.08 | AnduinLothar | i could program myself some better clothes if i wanted too. But this is just my residual self image |
| 08:16.16 | Thunder_Child | ~lart AnduinLothar |
| 08:16.16 | purl | gives AnduinLothar a good seeing to |
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| 08:16.48 | AnduinLothar | ~matrix Thunder_Child |
| 08:17.25 | Thunder_Child | ~fail AnduinLothar |
| 08:17.25 | purl | AnduinLothar, you Fail! |
| 08:17.25 | AnduinLothar | mmm, gonna have to write that one |
| 08:17.26 | Tekkub | pfft, clothes |
| 08:17.26 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 08:17.42 | Tekkub | if I could show up to an interview in pajama pants and a flannel shirt I so would |
| 08:17.53 | Tekkub | "this is how I work, unless it's a warm day |
| 08:17.54 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if they are going to have a big stargate atlantis box set too |
| 08:17.57 | AnduinLothar | f flannel |
| 08:18.21 | AnduinLothar | tshirt, welcome to socal |
| 08:18.39 | Tekkub | <--- antisocial |
| 08:18.41 | AnduinLothar | and flipflops |
| 08:18.45 | Thunder_Child | wifebeater, welcome to socal |
| 08:18.46 | Tekkub | with a small lumberjack streak |
| 08:18.49 | AnduinLothar | every day |
| 08:18.55 | AnduinLothar | unless it's raining |
| 08:19.03 | Thunder_Child | no, even if it is raining |
| 08:19.10 | AnduinLothar | they're leather |
| 08:19.13 | AnduinLothar | they dont do rain |
| 08:19.16 | Thunder_Child | go to venice beach when it is raining...they are still there |
| 08:19.46 | AnduinLothar | that's when i bust out MY 2ND PAIR of rubber flipflops |
| 08:19.52 | AnduinLothar | for the rain |
| 08:20.29 | Thunder_Child | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=862 |
| 08:21.51 | Arrowmaster | meh i just always wear the same pair of leather shoes ive been wearing since 02, sometimes if im really lazy i put on my leather sandles |
| 08:23.12 | Arrowmaster | who the fuck puts a bear on a horse? |
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| 08:25.29 | ZorbaTHut | someone *awesome* |
| 08:32.10 | Thunder_Child | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=6101 |
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| 09:04.22 | Mike-N-Go | ... |
| 09:04.39 | Mike-N-Go | I hate it that I go in and do D in AV and get marked as idle by my team. |
| 09:05.50 | |pez| | D? |
| 09:06.05 | Thunder_Child | defence |
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| 09:08.37 | Olorin | ironic thing is was probabbly same ones that will bitch and moan when their flags taken |
| 09:09.25 | Kalroth | Most home "defense" players are idle 90% instead of just using their trinket when towers/graveyards gets taken |
| 09:10.06 | Thunder_Child | most people have something better than the AV trinket to wear |
| 09:10.21 | |pez| | "the AV trinket" ? XD |
| 09:10.35 | Kalroth | a player in the frontline with the AV trinket is better than an idle player at home. :) |
| 09:10.46 | Kalroth | besides that, you don't equip it before you need it |
| 09:10.53 | Mike-N-Go | Most people who use a trinket when there towers/gys are taken use the AV trinket. |
| 09:11.24 | Mike-N-Go | What AV trinket 9.9 |
| 09:11.40 | Pizik_afk | teleports you back to your home base |
| 09:11.49 | Mike-N-Go | Mine sits in the bank because I never use it. |
| 09:12.05 | Kalroth | Hence you get marked for doing nothing. :) |
| 09:12.07 | Mike-N-Go | Maybe that is the first part of my trinket problem =O |
| 09:13.21 | Kalroth | You'll also get a lot more honor for being offensive |
| 09:13.53 | Thunder_Child | |pez|, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=17903 |
| 09:13.53 | Kalroth | note: by being offensive I don't mean swearing at ckknight. |
| 09:14.02 | Thunder_Child | or http://www.wowhead.com/?item=17908 |
| 09:14.18 | Mike-N-Go | I am the person who would guard either of the two aft flags.. |
| 09:14.51 | |pez| | Ooh, nice, I want one. XD |
| 09:15.07 | Kalroth | It's reputation based |
| 09:15.18 | Kalroth | the one Thunder_Child linked is for revered |
| 09:15.33 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.-4&filter=qu=3#50+2+1 |
| 09:15.37 | Thunder_Child | that has em |
| 09:15.39 | Thunder_Child | ish |
| 09:15.56 | Kalroth | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=17909#shared-cooldown :) |
| 09:16.15 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.-4#0+2+1 better |
| 09:22.34 | AnduinLothar | Anyone knwo the exact timers for the Sartharion drakes? wowwiki says 30, 75 and 120, but that seems way too fast |
| 09:25.05 | Kalroth | 45, 90 and 125, no? |
| 09:25.16 | Kalroth | er, 135* |
| 09:25.35 | AnduinLothar | 135 into the fight or 135 after the previous drake? |
| 09:25.42 | Kalroth | into the fight |
| 09:25.45 | Thunder_Child | hahaha http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=2456 |
| 09:25.52 | AnduinLothar | are you sure abotu those times? |
| 09:25.52 | Kalroth | drakes lands 45 seconds apart |
| 09:26.04 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 09:26.13 | Kalroth | nope, I don't have the exact times |
| 09:26.27 | Kalroth | I have done Sarth with all 3 drakes though and it's something like that |
| 09:26.50 | AnduinLothar | so have i, but i dont remember the times exactly |
| 09:26.57 | Kalroth | hrmf |
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| 09:27.47 | Kalroth | DBM says 30, 80 and 120 |
| 09:27.53 | AnduinLothar | thx |
| 09:28.42 | Kalroth | But that's for their landing |
| 09:28.45 | AnduinLothar | did you guys kill Vesperon's desciple right after Shadron died? |
| 09:28.50 | Kalroth | takes them ~5 seconds to wake up |
| 09:28.53 | Kalroth | yes |
| 09:28.59 | AnduinLothar | kk |
| 09:29.43 | Kalroth | Tenebron -> Shadron (AoE do whelps first) -> Enter portal and gank both adds -> Vesperon -> Enter portal and gank add -> Sartharion |
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| 09:30.09 | AnduinLothar | oh, you killed the 2nd disciple? |
| 09:30.21 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, we never kill him |
| 09:30.38 | Kalroth | Sure, we're down there anyways |
| 09:30.49 | Kalroth | and the fight is over once Shadron is dead |
| 09:30.49 | AnduinLothar | why are you down there anyway? |
| 09:31.02 | AnduinLothar | er, first disciple |
| 09:31.05 | AnduinLothar | not 2nd |
| 09:31.12 | AnduinLothar | Shadron's |
| 09:31.22 | AnduinLothar | we only ever kill Vesperon's |
| 09:31.47 | Kalroth | Dunno, it's there :p |
| 09:31.54 | Kalroth | It's not like it'll respawn anyways |
| 09:39.25 | AnduinLothar | how many heaers do you roll with on heroic? |
| 09:39.31 | AnduinLothar | 5? |
| 09:44.00 | |pez| | I wanna do Sarth without killing the drakes! ... But I probably need to be geared up first. XD |
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| 09:50.55 | Kalroth | Not really |
| 09:51.09 | Kalroth | The only Sarth+0 requirement is being level 80 |
| 09:51.23 | AnduinLothar | he said "without killing the drakes" |
| 09:51.23 | Kalroth | We got our first kill with 17 people, so :P |
| 09:51.30 | Kalroth | oh |
| 09:51.44 | Kalroth | I read that as with :p |
| 09:53.02 | Kalroth | well if you want to down Sarth+3 then it's probably a good idea to have done Sarth+1 and Sarth+2 first. Or to have 24 geared up people that can carry you ;) |
| 09:55.11 | AnduinLothar | just finished writing my Sartharion Guide. Just need to HTM-ize it and I'm gonna see if I can get the $100 from Bosskillers.com |
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| 10:01.45 | AnduinLothar | Kalroth: i seem to remember a random fire dmg to the raid, do you knwo what that's called? |
| 10:02.13 | |pez| | I think the 24 geared people sounds like a good plan! |
| 10:02.25 | |pez| | all of them with drakes... so I can do the only needroll on the mount >__> |
| 10:03.36 | Kalroth | AnduinLothar: Lava Strike? |
| 10:04.37 | AnduinLothar | know how much it hits for? |
| 10:05.20 | Kalroth | That depends on a lot of things; 10 man? 25 man? which drakes up? |
| 10:05.47 | AnduinLothar | it's just random splash damage throughout the raid, right? |
| 10:05.51 | Kalroth | yes |
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| 10:05.56 | Kalroth | It does 2k base damage |
| 10:06.00 | AnduinLothar | doesn't change with drakes, does it? |
| 10:06.03 | Kalroth | yes it does |
| 10:06.24 | Kalroth | with Sarth25+3 I'm being hit for over 7k |
| 10:06.35 | Kalroth | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=57591 |
| 10:07.05 | |pez| | So bringing decent healers is a must then I assume XD |
| 10:08.39 | Kalroth | Sarth25+3 is relatively easy, it gets much easier with gear |
| 10:08.54 | Kalroth | Sarth10+3 wasn't intended until people had Ulduar gear :p |
| 10:09.34 | Zyndrome | did Sarth25+3 in one go last night, that was incredible ;o |
| 10:09.55 | AnduinLothar | we usually get it down in 3-5 tries |
| 10:10.18 | AnduinLothar | We've done Sarth10+2, but haven't been able to get Sarth10+3 yet |
| 10:10.20 | Zyndrome | Sarth10+3 .. now that's something different, and we manage to pull it off 3 days ago |
| 10:10.28 | AnduinLothar | wiped on it for an hour today |
| 10:11.17 | Zyndrome | http://wowwebstats.com/dq2xtlc4katbc |
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| 10:18.24 | Kalroth | Zyndrome: Feral tanking everything? :p |
| 10:18.35 | Zyndrome | no, tanking Sarth |
| 10:18.36 | Kalroth | ah, 3 healers |
| 10:18.44 | Zyndrome | 2,5 healer I might add |
| 10:18.56 | Zyndrome | hybrid shaman, elem+resto |
| 10:18.58 | Zyndrome | for mana tide |
| 10:19.06 | Kalroth | looking at dps done on the kill, I'd say 3 healers ;) |
| 10:19.27 | Kalroth | Triv did 17k damage, out of a total of 3.5million |
| 10:20.43 | Zyndrome | we killed all 3 drakes before entering any portals, so our poor prot warrior have some sweaty moments of blowing CDs |
| 10:20.46 | Kalroth | oh, it seems to be bugged |
| 10:20.51 | Kalroth | the WWS is useless |
| 10:21.04 | Kalroth | doesn't list Tenebron/Shadron/Vesperon at all |
| 10:21.23 | Kalroth | on the kill, that is |
| 10:21.57 | Zyndrome | mentioned something about that, that you have to add the 3rd try or something |
| 10:23.17 | Zyndrome | the Death report is probably after the 3 drakes were dead |
| 10:23.50 | Zyndrome | either way, it worked :P |
| 10:24.09 | Zyndrome | and me being the only owner of a Black Drake atm |
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| 11:48.50 | Movix | can a OnClick event be fired on a hidden frame ? |
| 11:50.28 | jnwhiteh | do /run local f = CreateFrame("Button"); f:Hide(); f:SetScript("OnClick", function() print("zomg clicky") end); f:Click() |
| 11:50.32 | jnwhiteh | and check :P |
| 11:52.23 | mikma | http://software.muzychenko.net/eng/vac.html <- what's this "feature" called? :I |
| 11:52.48 | mikma | that software keeps on repeating "TRIAL" voice over and over :D |
| 11:52.54 | Movix | i ask because i have a frame hidden that recieves mouse clicks and fires the corresponding events. i thought that a hidden frame is not affected by mouse input ! |
| 11:53.27 | jnwhiteh | a hidden frame should not be able to receive mouse input |
| 11:53.28 | jnwhiteh | by definition |
| 11:53.38 | jnwhiteh | but that doesn't stop it from being clicked via :Click() |
| 11:53.54 | Movix | i am now searvhing for 2 days and not able to find what is going wrong |
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| 11:54.26 | Movix | i understand that calling the function manually will execute it |
| 11:54.51 | jnwhiteh | well you can't click on a hidden frame |
| 11:54.52 | jnwhiteh | with the mouse |
| 11:54.54 | jnwhiteh | by definition |
| 11:55.02 | jnwhiteh | so that is not happening, I assure you |
| 11:55.15 | cbreak | maybe you can with /click |
| 11:55.21 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: which is :Click() |
| 11:55.26 | jnwhiteh | and of course, that simulates a mouse click |
| 11:55.43 | cbreak | but /click can cast spells |
| 11:55.44 | jnwhiteh | and the test I posted would show you whether or not you can click a hidden frame via that method (I suspect you can) |
| 11:55.49 | jnwhiteh | ... so? |
| 11:55.51 | jnwhiteh | that's irrelevant |
| 11:55.51 | cbreak | just calling Click() from lua probably can not |
| 11:55.55 | cbreak | so it's different :) |
| 11:55.57 | jnwhiteh | that's irrelevant |
| 11:56.04 | jnwhiteh | actually its not |
| 11:56.11 | Movix | but in my case i check the frame state and it is hidden, but the region of this frame is still recieving mouse input, no camera or movement actions are possible in that region, and the OnClickevent is fired, i use the function associated to the OnClick event to print the frame state and it is hidden ! |
| 11:56.13 | jnwhiteh | the implementation of /click calls :Click() |
| 11:56.19 | jnwhiteh | its just secure, so its allowed to |
| 11:56.32 | jnwhiteh | Movix: you should use /dtframestack |
| 11:56.42 | jnwhiteh | it will tell you exactly what is under the cursor |
| 11:57.10 | jnwhiteh | thats what its there for |
| 11:57.44 | Movix | i don't know /dtframestack, is i an api func or an addon ? |
| 11:57.54 | cbreak | addon |
| 11:57.56 | Movix | k |
| 11:58.03 | jnwhiteh | ~devtools |
| 11:58.04 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 11:58.04 | Movix | thx, will do it right now |
| 11:58.11 | jnwhiteh | its part of DevTools |
| 11:58.15 | jnwhiteh | alternatively |
| 11:58.47 | jnwhiteh | do /run local f = GetMouseFocus(); print(tostring(f), f:GetName()) |
| 11:58.52 | jnwhiteh | when your mouse is over the area |
| 11:58.57 | jnwhiteh | if it returns your frame, then your frame is not hidden |
| 12:01.07 | Movix | UIErrorsFrame is what i find a this location, but not part of my addon, but triggering it's OnClick script |
| 12:03.15 | foxlit | UIErrorsFrame has no OnClick script |
| 12:03.37 | foxlit | In fact, it's probably not even interacting with the mouse; it's just above your frame. |
| 12:07.47 | mikma | bleh |
| 12:08.02 | mikma | need free windows virtual audio =( |
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| 12:19.29 | Olorin | virtual audio? |
| 12:20.03 | mikma | ya. |
| 12:20.03 | Olorin | thats what i got virtual hearing, i can virtually hear voices.. all the time |
| 12:20.32 | mikma | winamp music -> virtual audio -> ventrilo |
| 12:20.59 | Olorin | so it cuts out when someone says somthing? |
| 12:21.09 | mikma | i tried Virtual Audio Cable, but it keeps repeating the "TRIAL" over and over |
| 12:21.25 | mikma | well lowering the volume would be cool |
| 12:21.29 | Olorin | ah |
| 12:21.30 | mikma | but not possible |
| 12:23.51 | mikma | dont want to use pirated versions, might be infected with crap |
| 12:25.42 | Olorin | hmm wonder if i could use this with skype lol |
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| 12:26.17 | mikma | most likely if you can select the input of skype |
| 12:28.47 | mikma | it works fine with vent, except the voice screaming over ans over with trial |
| 12:29.15 | Olorin | buy it :P |
| 12:29.29 | mikma | na, 30 bucks for small fun |
| 12:33.07 | Movix | hmmm |
| 12:34.10 | Movix | definitly there is no frmae other tanh UIErrorFrame, UIParent and WorldFrame, but the OnClick func of my frame is ired ! |
| 12:34.22 | Movix | grr |
| 12:35.05 | Olorin | movix whats prob? |
| 12:35.38 | Movix | i have a OnClick func executed while the frame it is registered to is hidden ! |
| 12:36.14 | Movix | i print the frame state in the OnClick func, and this reports correctly the frame is hidden |
| 12:36.37 | Olorin | sounds fun, done search in code for the function name to check it can only be called by the OnClick? |
| 12:36.45 | foxlit | pastey your code somewhere and let's see. |
| 12:37.37 | Movix | my frame is not shown on the stack of /dtframestack |
| 12:39.28 | Movix | my func is not registered to any of the frames present in that region |
| 12:39.57 | Movix | it's a bit complicated to pastey because it's part of a huge lib |
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| 12:43.52 | foxlit | Which is more likely: blizzard messed up and your OnClick handler is actually being called while your frame is hidden; or: you messed up somewhere in that huge lib and no longer know what's going on. |
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| 12:45.18 | Olorin | that iirc the dtframestack only lists frames that have actually been given a name, if you have nil it wont show... |
| 12:45.29 | jnwhiteh | it'll still show the table |
| 12:45.35 | jnwhiteh | lua> tostring({}) |
| 12:45.35 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: table: 0x809f768 |
| 12:46.03 | Olorin | ah yes, sorry been a while since i used it for that purpose |
| 12:46.50 | Olorin | knew once I went to use it and got somthing I wasnt expecting... totally correct but wasnt expecting it lol |
| 12:47.23 | Olorin | my version of iirc should be nope you've forgotten it |
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| 13:34.36 | Arrowmaster | mikma: i got a version from a torrent that was clean, dont have it anymore though |
| 13:35.03 | Lunessa | station |
| 13:36.33 | mikma | arrowmaster: ya, tpb seems to have some versions |
| 13:37.20 | mikma | aw |
| 13:37.25 | mikma | whops |
| 14:02.13 | foxlit | sigh, moronic |
| 14:02.20 | foxlit | I drop into a horde inn to cook something |
| 14:02.33 | foxlit | It flags me for PvP |
| 14:02.40 | foxlit | And now I'm in combat with a never-ending stream of guards |
| 14:03.18 | foxlit | Who appear one at a time, every 30 seconds, with aggro locked on me |
| 14:06.12 | Olorin | maybee your a bad cook? |
| 14:06.18 | Olorin | they afraid they might have to eat it? |
| 14:07.39 | foxlit | Clearly they don't want people camping in opposite faction's inns |
| 14:07.45 | foxlit | But this mechanic is pretty awful. |
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| 14:16.55 | Amarande | so, I wonder how many guilds are going to be destroyed this time. heh |
| 14:17.17 | foxlit | by who? |
| 14:17.28 | Amarande | foxlit: by free transfers |
| 14:17.38 | Amarande | apparently, Blizzard doesn't handle the free transfer system very well |
| 14:18.16 | Amarande | what seems to happen is that a guild will decide to transfer, and then the people who reacted later, sometimes even a day or two later than the rest, eventually get told after waiting in the transfer queue that Blizzard has already relieved the population issues, so they aren't being transferred after all |
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| 14:18.29 | Amarande | and then they CAN'T get their character over with their guildies even by paying, because usually the transfer realm is locked at that point |
| 14:19.09 | foxlit | go, suggestions forum, go |
| 14:19.55 | Olorin | yup thats a bit of a screwup |
| 14:20.06 | foxlit | Do they localize #show, #showtooltip, or /cast, /use in macros? |
| 14:23.47 | Amarande | Olorin: apparently it happens every time they do free transfers |
| 14:24.41 | Olorin | glad I decdied to stay put although mining is a pain on my server atm cause stuff doesnt appear for ages and its easy to fly over stuff |
| 14:25.11 | Olorin | minor point compared to raiding etc.. but I dont raid so thats my gripe lol |
| 14:25.20 | foxlit | hint: smaller flight radius. |
| 14:25.48 | foxlit | People attempting to fly around entire Icecrown are doing it wrong :) |
| 14:26.28 | Olorin | nah i do shollazer basin since its got loads of nodes |
| 14:27.10 | foxlit | same issue |
| 14:28.47 | Amarande | I pretty much don't really try that |
| 14:29.01 | Amarande | I generally instead mine every minable node I run into as I go around questing |
| 14:31.13 | Olorin | well i do blacksmithing and JC but my jc is only 68 so i farm nodes and i have to prospect for the stupid daily quests, I get through tone of mats although light at end of tunnel is near since just need to level jc 10points and few recepies , BS maxed but need to get titansteel x4 for the helm then im done |
| 14:32.02 | Olorin | or might be x3, i forget |
| 14:32.17 | Lunessa | It's easy enough to gather in Icecrown or Scholazar if you learn where to look and search carefully. Mostly people just sort of zoom around looking and pass stuff up. |
| 14:33.10 | Olorin | Lunessa it appears like they are passing stuff but like I was saying stuff doesnt show if server lags, not even on minimap |
| 14:33.12 | Amarande | there are no new JC recipes after 440, right? |
| 14:33.19 | Olorin | none currently |
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| 14:37.24 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/106120-8fyr |
| 14:37.51 | foxlit | My current solution seems... lazy. |
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| 14:55.21 | Movix1 | is there a way to find all frames a function is linked to on a given event ? |
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| 14:58.07 | Movix1 | it is incredible ! a hidden frame is reaction on mousinput, i defined script for OnEnter, onclick that are correctly working but are also called when the frame is hidden. /dtframestack do not se the frame in the given region |
| 14:58.51 | Movix1 | the only two frame are UIParent and WorldFrame, and both do not have this functions linked to OnEnter or OnClick ! |
| 14:59.09 | Movix1 | so i realy wonder how it can be that this function is called |
| 15:00.03 | Movix1 | printing out a self:GetName() gives me the name of the hidden frame ! |
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| 15:00.32 | Amarande | Heya Peppy :) |
| 15:00.39 | Lopeppeppy | Heya. |
| 15:01.08 | Amarande | How goes? |
| 15:02.28 | Lopeppeppy | Today is Failboat Monday, but tomorrow will be better. Like the snow we got over the weekend? |
| 15:02.35 | alestane | Movix1: You can get a list of frames that are registered for a particular event, if that's what you're asking, although I forget the name of the function. |
| 15:03.59 | Movix1 | indeed frame:GetScript("eventname") will give back the func, but i have to cycle trough all frames |
| 15:04.45 | Movix1 | if it's what you mean |
| 15:04.53 | Lunessa | foxlit: It doesn't look lazy to me. It looks like you're calculating it each time for each button. :P |
| 15:05.28 | Amarande | Speaking of the failboat, I laughed all the way as the Giants rode it yesterday. :D |
| 15:05.30 | foxlit | Lazy as in "too lazy to do this properly" |
| 15:05.39 | foxlit | You can probably lose most of the loops... somehow |
| 15:05.39 | Amarande | Now to order an Eagles jersey in commemoration of this awesome event. :D |
| 15:07.06 | Lunessa | foxlit: Meh. it works, it is fast, and it will tolerate changes to the number of boxes between calls without making a mess. |
| 15:07.08 | Lopeppeppy | Giants trip over their own tails way too often. I'm surprised they coasted this far. |
| 15:07.14 | cog|away | RAWR |
| 15:07.30 | Lopeppeppy | rawr |
| 15:07.35 | cogwheel | nomnomnom |
| 15:07.41 | Adys | Any level 80ish dk around? |
| 15:07.46 | |pez| | I found a cogwheel in Zul'Drak yesterday! |
| 15:07.58 | cogwheel | i found a bunch of crooked cogs yesterday |
| 15:08.12 | Adys | I'm wondering how runeforging works. do you level it, like old rogue poison system? |
| 15:08.13 | cogwheel | also sprung sprockets... |
| 15:08.18 | Lopeppeppy | HEY! |
| 15:08.25 | Lopeppeppy | ~slap cogwheel |
| 15:08.25 | purl | ACTION slaps cogwheel, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 15:08.30 | foxlit | Roll a death knight, instant answer? |
| 15:08.41 | cogwheel | s/like/lie/ |
| 15:09.07 | Lopeppeppy | Adys, I didn't notice any "skill level" thing with Runeforging, but I'm only level 58 so what do I know? |
| 15:09.10 | Adys | foxlit: if i ask in here, probability is this is not an option for me right now, but thanks for acting like a jerk tyvm |
| 15:09.29 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: thats what I remember from beta too |
| 15:09.36 | Olorin | if you have a table x and you do x[1]="A" it adds a table keyed 1 to x, if you do x["test"]="B" it throws a hissy, why? |
| 15:09.42 | cogwheel | Lunessa: ding 79 |
| 15:10.00 | Lopeppeppy | Adys: http://www.wowwiki.com/Runeforging That's all WowWiki has. |
| 15:10.05 | Lunessa | I like big gears and I cannot lie. You other Gnomes can't deny; When a 'bot walks in with a little-bitty sprocket your spring gets sprung! |
| 15:10.23 | foxlit | The proper answer is that it's stuck at permanent 1/1 and you learn other rune enchants as if they were abilities. |
| 15:10.24 | Lunessa | My engineering don't want none unless it makes guns, hun! |
| 15:10.25 | Lopeppeppy | I'm guessing it's not a level up thing, but a "you get one every few levels" thing. |
| 15:10.49 | alestane | Movix1: You can't directly get a list of all OnEvent scripts directly, if that's what you mean. But there is a function that returns all frames registered for any given event, so you can say things like "for i, frame in ipairs(GetFramesRegisteredForEvent("BAG_UPDATE")) do local handler = frame:GetScript("OnEvent") ..." |
| 15:11.05 | Lunessa | Runeforging doesn't level. It's just a skill with a single level and several 'recipies'. |
| 15:12.04 | foxlit | Adys: you're welcome :) |
| 15:12.20 | alestane | oh, and RAWR. |
| 15:12.24 | Adys | thanks a lot |
| 15:12.31 | cogwheel | hi2u alestane |
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| 15:15.30 | Josh_Borke | morninG! |
| 15:15.37 | Josh_Borke | happy birthday Cairenn! |
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| 15:20.25 | Movix1 | hmm, this crashes my wow client http://www.pastey.net/106123 !! |
| 15:21.15 | Lunessa | wait, it's Cairenn's birthday? Does this mean she's finally legal? |
| 15:21.21 | alestane | That should throw an error, but it shouldn't crash. There is no "OnEnter" event. |
| 15:21.44 | alestane | There's no function that enumerates all frames that have a particular script. |
| 15:22.23 | Movix1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetFramesRegisteredForEvent |
| 15:22.23 | alestane | Scripts (OnEnter, OnClick, OnEvent, etc.) are distinct from events such as PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD, BAG_UPDATE, or COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED. |
| 15:22.32 | Movix1 | ah |
| 15:23.05 | Movix1 | yes indeed ! |
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| 15:23.57 | alestane | You could do something like: |
| 15:24.21 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, Cairenn and I have always been illicit... legal is in the eyes of the beholder. :) |
| 15:24.40 | Lunessa | rawr... ;) |
| 15:25.09 | Lopeppeppy | Your state and local ordinances may vary. Void where prohibited by law and there is a high probability of being caught. |
| 15:27.06 | Lopeppeppy | See? Always a loophole! |
| 15:27.21 | zenzelezz | let's not get started talking about holes |
| 15:27.28 | alestane | for script in function (script, previous) local handler repeat previous = EnumerateFrames(previous) if not previous then return nil; end handler = previous:GetScript("OnEnter") until handler return handler end, "OnEnter" do |
| 15:27.37 | Lopeppeppy | You brought them up, not me! I'm a Tab A kind of girl. |
| 15:27.51 | zenzelezz | no I didn't, you did |
| 15:27.51 | alestane | Or rather, GetScript(script) |
| 15:28.12 | Lopeppeppy | Nuh-uh, I was talking about loops. |
| 15:29.00 | zenzelezz | you best behave yourself, young lady, or I may have to discipline you |
| 15:29.13 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. No. Please. Don't. Stop. |
| 15:29.15 | Lopeppeppy | Holp. |
| 15:30.29 | Josh_Borke | anyone mind downloading BindingsReminder (http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8691-BindingsReminder.html) and seeing if it still works? |
| 15:32.18 | Lopeppeppy | Okey dokie.... Dr. Doogie Howser in Theramore no longer teaches me to make Runecloth bandages? I did his quest... what the hell. |
| 15:33.06 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: What's your first aid score? |
| 15:33.28 | Lopeppeppy | ... 3 points too low. i thought it was automatic with the quest, but I was for wronging. I need more mageweave! |
| 15:34.20 | zenzelezz | try fluttering your eyelids at him first |
| 15:34.22 | alestane | Heavy Mageweave at 235 or so, Runecloth around 260, and I think Heavy Runecloth at 280. |
| 15:34.35 | alestane | These numbers may be approximate. |
| 15:34.47 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, they're close enough. |
| 15:34.49 | alestane | Happy Fun Ball may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds. |
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| 15:39.47 | alestane | Is there any software available for developing SWF files besides Adobe Flash, or are they keeping it sewn up? |
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| 15:42.53 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: I wanna go back to bed :< |
| 15:43.07 | Lopeppeppy | AbsolutRayne, go ahead, but I get all the blueberries. |
| 15:43.15 | AbsolutRayne | >< |
| 15:43.18 | AbsolutRayne | Mien |
| 15:43.57 | zenzelezz | <AbsolutRayne> Lopeppeppy: I wanna go back to bed <--- that sounds suggestive |
| 15:44.21 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: You make /everything/ sound suggestive in your head. |
| 15:44.43 | zenzelezz | yeah, I do... |
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| 15:45.21 | AckisWork | nothing wrong with that |
| 15:45.38 | Lunessa | I suggest freudian therapy - ie go get some of what your mind is hinting you need. |
| 15:47.10 | zenzelezz | now that sounds a bit radical |
| 15:47.33 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds delicious. |
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| 15:50.49 | Amarande | yay, got the awesome epic belt from H UP |
| 15:52.46 | Amarande | hmm, also, is this a bug, like PH Texture? |
| 15:53.05 | Amarande | When you eat a Festival Dumplings, the name of the buff (like how it says 'Food' or 'Drink' normally) is "Dim Sum" |
| 15:53.45 | zenzelezz | food buffs can have one of many names |
| 15:53.54 | zenzelezz | there's also Nearly/Very Well Fed |
| 15:54.10 | zenzelezz | can't recall others off hand, but there are more |
| 15:54.29 | Adys | wtf Amarande |
| 15:54.33 | Adys | PH Texture isnt a bug |
| 15:54.40 | Adys | its just blizz forgetting to remove those mobs |
| 15:55.06 | Lopeppeppy | Oh Dim Sum... |
| 15:55.07 | AckisWork | mmm Dim Sum |
| 15:55.11 | Lopeppeppy | What festival are we in right now then? |
| 15:55.27 | zenzelezz | Enlightened, Increased Stamina/Intellect/Spirit/Agility, Health Regeneration, Mana Regeneration, Blessed Sunfruit are other food buff names |
| 15:55.37 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: isn't elder coming up? none right now |
| 15:56.18 | Fogger | Elder starts on the 24th |
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| 15:58.25 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, elders. *rolls eyes* |
| 15:58.35 | zenzelezz | o_O |
| 15:58.54 | Fogger | *Lunar Festival |
| 15:59.08 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, big dog dimsum |
| 15:59.17 | AckisWork | it's been a while since I had dim sum |
| 15:59.21 | AckisWork | rat on a stick mmm |
| 15:59.37 | zenzelezz | I don't know about sum, but I often feel dim |
| 16:00.46 | Lopeppeppy | I'm tired of wasting time, want to murder people right now. |
| 16:01.48 | zenzelezz | patience peppy, it's easier to get away with it if you plan properly |
| 16:02.18 | Lopeppeppy | I live in the friggin' boonies, all I need is a shovel and I'm "getting away with" anything I care to do. |
| 16:03.05 | Shirik|Ecole | aw don't murder people Lopeppeppy |
| 16:03.18 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, give me another option and I'm happy to go with it. |
| 16:03.27 | Shirik|Ecole | move here with me ^_^ |
| 16:03.36 | Lopeppeppy | Whats the rent on the extra bedroom? |
| 16:03.45 | Lopeppeppy | IS there an extra bedroom, you sneaky monkey? :) |
| 16:03.50 | Shirik|Ecole | who said anything about an extra bedroom |
| 16:03.52 | Shirik|Ecole | >.> |
| 16:04.10 | Olorin | is it getting warm in here? |
| 16:04.46 | Lopeppeppy | yuh-huh. Naughty monkey, Peppy needs her space in order to not do murder, hello! |
| 16:05.20 | |pez| | I want an appartment with an extra bedroom. |
| 16:05.36 | |pez| | So I could go there whenever the bf snores untolerably loud and unstoppable. |
| 16:06.32 | Olorin | eek could be peppys first victim lol |
| 16:06.47 | zenzelezz | bit late for that |
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| 16:07.33 | Lopeppeppy | No, I wouldn't murder Shirik. He can teach me programming, he's very useful. |
| 16:07.44 | Lopeppeppy | I'd do a Misery and break his ankles so he could never leave me! |
| 16:07.46 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.21 | Olorin | didnt mean shirik, meant the untollerably loud snorer |
| 16:08.21 | Fisker- | [14:11:10] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, we appear to have lost our Moscow based client server, and with it approximately 1600 users. We're looking into the issue now and should hopefully have both the server and the users back shortly. Apologies for the inconvenience. Thank you for using freenode and have a nice day. |
| 16:08.26 | Fisker- | i see what they did there |
| 16:08.30 | Fisker- | ukraine didn't pay their irc bill |
| 16:08.43 | Lopeppeppy | ... I think that snoring is adorable. |
| 16:09.21 | Olorin | you really are a sick puppy eh, its worse than dripping water, well for me anyway cause i cant hear water dripping |
| 16:09.29 | Adys | bleep |
| 16:09.37 | Adys | ... bleep |
| 16:09.55 | Adys | (... *bleep*) |
| 16:09.56 | Lopeppeppy | Water needs to die. As do ticking clocks. |
| 16:10.07 | Lopeppeppy | When I was sick I stayed with someone with a ticking clock in their living room. I nearly went insane. |
| 16:10.16 | Adys | that is physically impossible |
| 16:10.34 | Olorin | youd have to be sane to begin with |
| 16:12.46 | Lopeppeppy | Go jump in a lake, the both of ya! :P |
| 16:12.59 | Olorin | but then id drip |
| 16:13.27 | Lopeppeppy | No way. That lake has deformed ducks in it, alestane. I'm not swimming in that. |
| 16:13.44 | alestane | The nearest lake to you, or to them? |
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| 16:14.41 | Lopeppeppy | To you, alestane. Horn Pond, is that what it's called? Down on the Winchester border? |
| 16:14.42 | alestane | Besides, it's not you who's supposed to do the jumpiing. |
| 16:14.54 | Lopeppeppy | I don't want to deform my victims, I want them dead. |
| 16:15.04 | alestane | Horn Pond is right down by the Winchester Border, about two blocks from your old place. |
| 16:15.11 | alestane | No deformed ducks. |
| 16:16.55 | Lopeppeppy | Very deformed ducks! One without a beak, one with 3 legs... very deformed. |
| 16:17.09 | alestane | I has not seen these ducks. |
| 16:17.12 | Lopeppeppy | .... lab bill for kidney infection not covered by insurance. *head desk murder* |
| 16:17.29 | Lopeppeppy | They are not elusive, they will show up if you feed them. Although I'm sure the one without a beak didn't grow up. |
| 16:18.24 | Shirik|Ecole | (11:07:41) (+Lopeppeppy) I'd do a Misery and break his ankles so he could never leave me! |
| 16:18.24 | Shirik|Ecole | !! |
| 16:18.45 | alestane | There are many ducks. You are not supposed to feed them. I has not seen three legs. |
| 16:18.45 | Lopeppeppy | It's just that I wuv you so very very much, George! |
| 16:19.10 | Lopeppeppy | M R dux. C D E D B D 3 dux? |
| 16:19.51 | alestane | Ow, now I get that. |
| 16:19.58 | Shirik|Ecole | C D C? |
| 16:20.15 | Shirik|Ecole | C D B N D C |
| 16:20.26 | Shirik|Ecole | those books hurt my head |
| 16:21.10 | Lopeppeppy | They should be burned. And I don't say that lightly. |
| 16:21.18 | alestane | "O I C A B" or something of the kind. |
| 16:21.24 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, there's that one too. |
| 16:21.38 | alestane | D B S A BZ B' |
| 16:21.48 | Adys | W T F. |
| 16:21.50 | Lopeppeppy | OMG do not disturb! |
| 16:21.58 | durcyn | ...children's textspeak books, are you fucking with me? |
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| 16:22.24 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 16:22.31 | Shirik|Ecole | I read them in elementary school :P |
| 16:22.33 | Lopeppeppy | They are real and published works of creative fuckery. |
| 16:22.37 | Shirik|Ecole | I didn't make much of it back then, it was more of a brain teaser |
| 16:24.53 | alestane | I think they waved those at me around fourth grade. I read through them and then never picked them up again. Not a lot of replay value. |
| 16:25.27 | Lopeppeppy | Like a Choose Your Own Adventure book with only one ending. |
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| 16:29.59 | alestane | Can some Windows guru advise me where I'm likely to find the driver for an installed printer in my directory tree? |
| 16:30.19 | alestane | Without having the printer available as a connected device ATM> |
| 16:30.30 | Adys | c:/Windows ? |
| 16:30.44 | Olorin | c:\windows\system32 |
| 16:30.48 | durcyn | they're usually squirreled away in system32\drivers |
| 16:30.49 | Shirik|Ecole | wrong and wrong |
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| 16:31.08 | Olorin | or c:\windows\inf for the installation file |
| 16:31.09 | Shirik|Ecole | %SYSTEMROOT%\System32 or subdirectory |
| 16:31.14 | Shirik|Ecole | bad people using C:\Windows |
| 16:31.15 | Olorin | bah |
| 16:31.16 | alestane | XP, BTW |
| 16:31.23 | Adys | ccc-combo breaker, Shirik ? |
| 16:31.52 | durcyn | if you can find the INF, you should be able to dig up the actual files it uses |
| 16:32.15 | alestane | That's what I'm trying to locate, the INF. |
| 16:32.54 | alestane | I'm trying to install a network printer, and it refuses to put my printer in the driver list. I ran the installer, so the driver should be on my hard drive somewhere at this point. |
| 16:32.58 | Adys | INF is a Christian mission serving the people of Nepal through health and development work. |
| 16:33.04 | Adys | try nepal |
| 16:33.41 | Lopeppeppy | Viva Nepal! Viva Nepal! |
| 16:33.45 | Adys | INF - International Naturist Federation - A worldwide organisation which works to enhance the naturist experience by promoting the benefits of naturism to the general public. |
| 16:33.52 | Shirik|Ecole | ~wtf inf |
| 16:33.53 | Adys | some screwed up results |
| 16:33.56 | Shirik|Ecole | ~inf |
| 16:34.02 | Shirik|Ecole | purl, what is inf |
| 16:34.02 | purl | Shirik|Ecole: what are you talking about? |
| 16:34.06 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 16:34.12 | Adys | purl: your mom |
| 16:34.12 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, your mom is spelt your mum |
| 16:34.21 | Shirik|Ecole | ... |
| 16:34.27 | Shirik|Ecole | that was bad |
| 16:34.33 | Adys | purl: your mum |
| 16:34.34 | purl | No, _your_ mum! |
| 16:34.41 | Adys | purl: _your_ mum |
| 16:34.52 | Adys | ccc-combo breaker again huh |
| 16:35.54 | alestane | HP doesn't seem to name their .inf files anything intelligible. |
| 16:36.52 | Shirik|Ecole | omg |
| 16:36.54 | Lopeppeppy | I can't exactly find mine, either. It was installed by TKFT in the tragic mists of the past. |
| 16:36.56 | Olorin | if you try and install the printer from the directory doesnt it usualy give the option to download the server version of the driver, if its installed their |
| 16:37.00 | Shirik|Ecole | I always liked this song, but the music video is just plain awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOkhqxaKqVs |
| 16:37.10 | Shirik|Ecole | alestane: Nobody does :P |
| 16:37.21 | Shirik|Ecole | are you on vista? |
| 16:37.22 | alestane | Olorin: The server is running a different OS entirely, the drivers are not compatible. |
| 16:37.29 | Adys | [18:31:15] <+alestane> XP, BTW |
| 16:37.30 | alestane | I need the native driver. |
| 16:37.33 | Shirik|Ecole | You may be better off doing a textual search on .inf files |
| 16:37.36 | Shirik|Ecole | I think XP can do that too |
| 16:37.48 | Olorin | what printer? |
| 16:38.02 | alestane | Searrch .inf files for "PSC 1210" |
| 16:38.03 | alestane | ? |
| 16:38.13 | Shirik|Ecole | maybe just wanna limit it to PSC |
| 16:38.19 | Shirik|Ecole | not sure if it would have the space, etc. |
| 16:39.33 | Olorin | ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib/software3/COL6316/mp-19447-3/rw2_021_w02_enu.exe |
| 16:39.48 | Olorin | thats 166mb though lol they dont list just driver |
| 16:40.13 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, Shirik. |
| 16:40.29 | alestane | Olorin: Installing it is all well and good, but then I have to get it to show up in the printer drivers list for network printer installs, or ...find the .inf file whereever it was installed. |
| 16:40.35 | Shirik|Ecole | Lopeppeppy? |
| 16:40.59 | alestane | 45 files on my C:\ drive witth .inf extensions contain the phrase "PSC". |
| 16:41.12 | Lopeppeppy | For the song. |
| 16:41.34 | Shirik|Ecole | fun alestane! |
| 16:41.38 | Shirik|Ecole | Lopeppeppy I like it too :) |
| 16:43.06 | Olorin | alestane according to someone with same issue its hpzid412.inf |
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| 16:44.53 | alestane | Well, I have that file. |
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| 16:46.41 | alestane | Windows was unable to find any drivers for this device. |
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| 16:48.09 | alestane | Sod it, I'lltake the laptop over there and plug the printer into it. |
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| 16:59.52 | Shirik|Ecole | woot |
| 17:00.01 | Shirik|Ecole | I've perfected my "find addon folder" regex |
| 17:00.04 | Shirik|Ecole | it's so ugly |
| 17:00.24 | Shirik|Ecole | PATTERN = "^(?:(.*?)[\\/\\\\:])?((?:Interface[\\/\\\\:])?AddOns)[\\/\\\\:]?$"; |
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| 17:02.02 | Hirsute | Wooo-hoo, though. That's some nice regex-fu. |
| 17:02.44 | Shirik|Ecole | it's times like these I praise regexes :) |
| 17:02.48 | Shirik|Ecole | Saves a lot of work that I thought I had to do |
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| 17:07.22 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 17:07.41 | mikma | http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1628/5fb11770ky2.jpg |
| 17:07.49 | mikma | shirik|ecole: ^--- ;) |
| 17:08.06 | Shirik|Ecole | is that you? :P |
| 17:08.41 | mikma | i can ask you the same thing! |
| 17:10.08 | Shirik|Ecole | :P |
| 17:13.48 | ckknight | lulz |
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| 17:18.48 | Lunessa | lulz. If that was me, forums could wait. |
| 17:22.12 | alestane | Never make a woman wait for you to read forums. Possibly to finish a post, if it'll take under two minutes, but never to read. |
| 17:22.53 | hipjipp | that's very true :P |
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| 17:40.57 | zenzelezz | I hate the glow on the Wall of Terror, it's much too big |
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| 17:43.54 | zenzelezz | and it's the fifth or sixth day in a row with Infused Mushrooms daily o_O |
| 17:44.43 | Shirik|Ecole | what's the chances on that daily? |
| 17:44.47 | Shirik|Ecole | (I don't do them) |
| 17:44.56 | zenzelezz | there are five different ones |
| 17:45.10 | zenzelezz | if they have equal chance or not I don't know |
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| 17:49.18 | Shirik|Ecole | I assume equal chance |
| 17:49.29 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> (1/5)^5, (1/5)^6 |
| 17:49.29 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: 0.00032, 6.4e-05 |
| 17:49.41 | Shirik|Ecole | anyone know how many servers exist? |
| 17:50.31 | sb | 6.4e-05? |
| 17:50.36 | sb | :/ |
| 17:50.37 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> 1-(1-(1/5)^5)^200, 1-(1-(1/5)^6)^200 |
| 17:50.37 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: 0.062004607640859, 0.012718832817404 |
| 17:51.01 | Shirik|Ecole | Assuming 200 servers, there's a 1-6% chance that will happen on some server, given any set of 5 days, zenzelezz |
| 17:51.14 | Shirik|Ecole | (Using your range of "fifth or sixth") |
| 17:51.27 | Shirik|Ecole | I think 1-6% isn't too bad tbh :P |
| 17:52.19 | Shirik|Ecole | blah.... |
| 17:52.19 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: January 12, 2009 9:50AM PST. |
| 17:52.19 | Shiibot | Transfers for non-oceanic PvP realms will be closing on Monday, January 12 at 7:00pm PST as we have reached the goals for this transfer period. If you plan to transfer please do so before this time. Thank you for your understanding. |
| 17:52.19 | Shiibot | January 08, 2009 6:30PM PST. |
| 17:52.25 | Shirik|Ecole | wtb friends for Java! |
| 17:52.48 | sb | wtb 3.0.8 |
| 17:54.45 | alestane | Shirik|Ecole: What about Java? |
| 17:54.54 | Shirik|Ecole | I want it to support friends |
| 17:55.22 | zenzelezz | friend classes? |
| 17:55.37 | Shirik|Ecole | yes |
| 17:55.48 | alestane | Oh, firend syntax. |
| 17:55.51 | alestane | friend* |
| 17:56.15 | alestane | WTH casuses the HP Communications process to eat 85%+ of my CPU? |
| 17:56.25 | Shirik|Ecole | alestane: The "HP" part |
| 17:57.02 | sb | whats friend? :P |
| 17:57.15 | alestane | "kill -15 208" hey look, I have a CPU again. |
| 17:57.18 | zenzelezz | classes that want to be related but actually aren't quite |
| 17:57.29 | Shirik|Ecole | a friend class can .... that's not good |
| 17:57.39 | Shirik|Ecole | anyway |
| 17:58.03 | Shirik|Ecole | a friend class can access protected and private members as if it were public |
| 17:58.15 | alestane | I friend to a class is a class or function in C++ that has access to the class's private or protected datamemebers or instance functions. |
| 17:58.33 | AbsolutRayne | Anyone else find it humerous that people whine about their server veing overpopulated, and when they get a Free Xfer, they dont leave? |
| 17:58.59 | zenzelezz | AbsolutRayne: "I wuz here first u shud leave |
| 17:59.00 | Aiiane | not really; just because its overpopulated doesnt mean they want to drop everything and leave their friends on that server |
| 17:59.06 | cog|work | Lunessa: can you send back one of those eternal fires? I need to put rockets on mah new gloves :P |
| 17:59.31 | Lunessa | cog|work: yar. When I get home. |
| 17:59.42 | Amarande | yay. Recipe: Runn Tum Tuber Surprise |
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| 17:59.45 | Amarande | anyone remember that? :D |
| 17:59.50 | zenzelezz | of course |
| 17:59.51 | AbsolutRayne | zenzelezz: I lol'd pretty hard, thanks :P |
| 18:00.09 | AbsolutRayne | Also, wheeeee new WoWModelViewer ^_^ |
| 18:00.09 | Amarande | heading to Strat for the last one |
| 18:00.11 | Amarande | hmm |
| 18:00.20 | Amarande | should pick up the strat achievement, too |
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| 18:00.49 | Olorin | AbsolutRayne, kinda funny when you target an npc, get no textures or anything but the mesh |
| 18:00.52 | Amarande | how hard is Baron at 80 for a 0/56/15 demo lock in mostly ilvl 200 blues? |
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| 18:01.13 | NeoTron | like as in stratholme? |
| 18:01.16 | Amarande | yeah |
| 18:01.16 | AbsolutRayne | Olorin: Really? I havent had any issues O_o |
| 18:01.21 | NeoTron | your demon could solo him |
| 18:01.25 | Aiiane | well, you can't fear much, but aside from that it shouldnt be an issue |
| 18:01.34 | NeoTron | I did that at 70 |
| 18:01.35 | Amarande | maybe I'll even get the mount |
| 18:01.37 | NeoTron | so not very hard at 80 |
| 18:01.43 | Amarande | At 70, I was aff, and had issues with the rats in the traps |
| 18:01.47 | Amarande | however, that was also back in 2.x |
| 18:01.51 | Amarande | in 3.x, the rats will be easy |
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| 18:01.59 | Amarande | even if I -was- still aff with imp battery, heh |
| 18:02.06 | Aiiane | pushback change should make the rats not a problem |
| 18:02.07 | Amarande | because the problem in 2.x was that spell pushback was actually important :P |
| 18:02.08 | NeoTron | the main difficulty I had (and this actually killed me when I tried to run out) was the damn spiders |
| 18:02.30 | NeoTron | they root and silence you which when I ran out on my DK caused me to be unable to move and unable to use any spells |
| 18:03.04 | Olorin | AbsolutRayne: yes, well depends if your using same modelapi as i did when wrote mine, did one with rotate zoome etc... mostly so my wife could work out if her character had earrings etc.. lil details hard to see on char select (she has bad eyesight) but i notice them things lol |
| 18:03.13 | Amarande | sure that wasn't the banshees that silence? |
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| 18:03.35 | NeoTron | no the webbing silences |
| 18:03.40 | NeoTron | or prevents casting or something |
| 18:03.51 | NeoTron | a few of those spiders can kill a caster even at 80 |
| 18:03.57 | AbsolutRayne | This guy is still overly mad at me for reporting his guild name |
| 18:04.23 | Olorin | tell him boohoo and welcome to ignore |
| 18:04.48 | AbsolutRayne | I find it hysterical |
| 18:04.58 | AbsolutRayne | Im leaving him off ignore for that reason |
| 18:05.13 | AbsolutRayne | I really did him a favor :/ |
| 18:06.19 | zenzelezz | what was the guild name? |
| 18:06.28 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 18:06.41 | Amarande | will we still need a key for UBRS in 3.0.8 or are they taking that out? |
| 18:06.47 | Amarande | (also: is UBRS soloable by a demo lock at 80?) |
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| 18:06.54 | AbsolutRayne | 'Bite The Pillow Im Goinn' was his GTag |
| 18:09.24 | Amarande | that's reportable how? |
| 18:09.37 | durcyn | He misspelled Goin'. Obviously. |
| 18:10.14 | AbsolutRayne | Its a sexual innuendo |
| 18:10.50 | Amarande | meh, like the GAME doesn't have innuendos in it every now and then? |
| 18:11.11 | AbsolutRayne | Meh |
| 18:12.58 | Amarande | WTB 280% ground mount :( |
| 18:15.19 | AbsolutRayne | Amarande: Oldworld ganking would be so overly enjoyable |
| 18:16.30 | KarlKFI | would make lvling a gathering profession a lot easier too |
| 18:19.25 | |pez| | I got my epic flying yesterday. |
| 18:19.27 | |pez| | It made me happy. |
| 18:19.30 | jnwhiteh | grats! |
| 18:19.39 | Shirik|Ecole | I got my epic flying a month ago |
| 18:19.45 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm still paying back the guy that loaned me money |
| 18:19.49 | Shirik|Ecole | to this day |
| 18:19.52 | Amarande | I've had my epic flying for a long while now |
| 18:20.01 | Amarande | I got my netherdrake a couple nights before Dragon*Con last year lol |
| 18:20.04 | jnwhiteh | I actually bought mine with 100% my money |
| 18:20.05 | |pez| | I loaned 1300 from the boyfriend. |
| 18:20.15 | jnwhiteh | and still have about 2k |
| 18:20.27 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah well |
| 18:20.34 | Shirik|Ecole | the guy I borrowed dfrom has like 15k |
| 18:20.39 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't think he's too worried about it |
| 18:20.40 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 18:20.40 | Shirik|Ecole | :P |
| 18:20.43 | Amarande | and actually, the worst thing about strat is the disease |
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| 18:23.12 | Aiiane | which is why priests love strat |
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| 18:23.28 | Aiiane | shackle almost anything, cleanse the disease, go to town! |
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| 18:24.20 | Amarande | otoh, if you can't cleanse the disease, you have to keep stopping to eat |
| 18:24.39 | Amarande | at least I have over 16k health already |
| 18:27.08 | Amarande | and haven't caught it yet |
| 18:27.20 | Amarande | my felguard keeps catching it, though |
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| 18:27.24 | Aiiane | heh |
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| 18:32.28 | Amarande | I know locks who raid and have about 2000 less health than I have in heroic gear |
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| 18:33.30 | Amarande | lulz mobs using disarm on my *warlock* ... |
| 18:34.20 | Kaso | oh no! now you cant get your 10dps extra from melee |
| 18:34.38 | Kaso | maybe 5dps |
| 18:35.45 | Amarande | LOL |
| 18:35.49 | Amarande | so far, I've only even had to use a healthstone once |
| 18:36.02 | Amarande | and that's because somehow I managed to pull pretty much the entire scarlet area (outside of the bastion) in one go |
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| 18:36.58 | Amarande | I'm *not* quite sure how I did that |
| 18:38.26 | Amarande | probably the fact that crimsons run when low on hp ... |
| 18:39.05 | nevcairiel | its pretty easy to accidentally pull that area |
| 18:39.19 | nevcairiel | but i managed to survive it on 70 |
| 18:39.22 | nevcairiel | so, shrug |
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| 18:39.40 | Amarande | and since I've been using AoE rather heavily ... |
| 18:41.33 | NeoTron | Amarande: those diseases sucked too |
| 18:42.09 | NeoTron | it's funny running stratholme actually to see how much hardcore it is than WotLK instances |
| 18:42.31 | NeoTron | more patrols, more debuffs (that lasts a long time), nastier mobs.. |
| 18:42.36 | Amarande | I've still managed to avoid getting the worms so far |
| 18:42.41 | Amarande | although, again, my felguard gets them most of the time |
| 18:42.57 | Amarande | It's nice to have an area where I can actually use Shadowflame a lot, though |
| 18:44.51 | Amarande | too bad shadowflame doesn't have a super damage tick at the end like its ancestor does |
| 18:48.27 | Amarande | it's also fun to discover just how many spells used to have to be gotten from rare books |
| 18:48.30 | Amarande | like shadow ward rank 4 |
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| 18:55.25 | Amarande | remember when 23,000 hp was considered boss-worthy for 5 people, rather than just a speed-bump elite for one person? |
| 18:56.55 | nevcairiel | even the lvl 60 bosses mostly had >30k |
| 18:57.13 | Amarande | hmm |
| 18:57.19 | Amarande | actually, come to think of it, I don't have to worry about the disease |
| 18:57.35 | Amarande | Fel Armor still works, and regenerates much faster than the damage |
| 19:01.16 | Amarande | One thing I really wonder though ... |
| 19:01.21 | Amarande | what are eyes of Naxxramas doing in an EPL dungeon still? |
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| 19:12.06 | foxlit | They were there before naxx was anyway |
| 19:12.18 | Anaral | They lingered in the wake of the move |
| 19:12.58 | Anaral | Same reason the citizens of old Dalaran still lurk around the ruins... why didn't they go with Dalaran. |
| 19:13.21 | foxlit | too low level |
| 19:13.25 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 19:14.05 | Anaral | Well there you go. foxlit has it. The Eyes and the citizens are too low level for Northrend. ;) |
| 19:14.18 | zenzelezz | I don't get why they had to make Rivendare appear in Naxxramas in Mograine's place without *at least* replacing him in Stratholme |
| 19:14.40 | zenzelezz | I don't even know why they figured they'd remove Mograine, he was the defining character of the horsemen |
| 19:14.44 | Anaral | Strat is his 'weekender' job. ;) |
| 19:16.53 | Amarande | bah |
| 19:16.58 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, Rivendare's hours got cut back in strat, because business just isn't booming as much there. so he was forced to take a second job in naxx. |
| 19:17.06 | Amarande | now I don't remember ... how do you open the gate to Ramstein/Rivendar's area again? |
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| 19:18.15 | icbat | Amarande: You need to clear all three towers behind the bosses. Behind each of the first 3 bosses in UD Strat there are towers with 5-6 humanoids |
| 19:18.37 | icbat | each one weakens the gate until eventually it opens, or something of that sort. |
| 19:19.32 | foxlit | "zenzelezz: I don't even know why they figured they'd remove Mograine, he was the defining character of the horsemen" << improves DK story |
| 19:19.44 | foxlit | besides, Fordring can has Ashbringer. |
| 19:21.01 | icbat | Is there a list of the default UI's frames that I'm missing somewhere? I've been searching for almost an hour now. Something lists things like PlayerFrame, MainMenuBarLeftEndCap, etc. |
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| 19:21.17 | foxlit | icbat: no, people generally don't need it |
| 19:21.23 | icbat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.50 | icbat | Then there's a way to figure out which frame is which through another means? |
| 19:21.51 | foxlit | it's easier to get any specific frame name than finding the said frame is a list |
| 19:21.55 | foxlit | s/is/in/ |
| 19:22.26 | icbat | Ok, I'll work on getting that, then |
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| 19:23.27 | icbat | Thanks much, nice to know that was a lost cause. I found a lot of interesting things while searching, at least ;) |
| 19:23.30 | foxlit | You can either read the framexml code, use GetMouseFocus, or /dtframestack from |
| 19:23.32 | foxlit | ~devtools |
| 19:23.33 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 19:23.35 | Amarande | actually, my biggest enemy in Strat |
| 19:23.38 | Amarande | is my bags being too small :| |
| 19:23.44 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12192-MageIconSet.html |
| 19:23.57 | icbat | Amarande: I feel you =( |
| 19:24.08 | foxlit | mikma: pretty |
| 19:24.10 | icbat | purl/foxlit: Thanks! You guys are awesome =) |
| 19:24.17 | mikma | foxlit: must agree. |
| 19:24.35 | Amarande | especially as a warlock, so I have to carry a soul bag |
| 19:25.00 | foxlit | Well, you _could_ just carry fewer shards around |
| 19:25.01 | foxlit | probably |
| 19:25.03 | icbat | Do you really use that many shards in there? You could probably swap it with a bank bag or the like, and swap back afterwards |
| 19:27.51 | Hirsute | Now if they'd just make it so my hunter doesn't really need to use an ammo bag. |
| 19:28.25 | Hirsute | Or give him a separate ammo bag slot. |
| 19:28.47 | foxlit | You have a bow for that |
| 19:30.56 | NightHawkTheSane | jeeze, yeah, doesn't EVERY hunter have that legendary bow by now? |
| 19:31.23 | foxlit | Yeah, they're slackers! |
| 19:39.09 | Amarande | WTF? |
| 19:39.11 | Amarande | Ramstein never spawned |
| 19:40.08 | icbat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.27 | Amarande | Looks like it |
| 19:40.34 | icbat | =( |
| 19:42.49 | Syzgyn | Amarande: I remember reading some post about that |
| 19:43.00 | Syzgyn | You have to make sure none of the aboms make it to the back gate |
| 19:43.07 | Syzgyn | or something like that |
| 19:43.27 | Amarande | Syzgyn: Intended or bug? |
| 19:43.30 | Syzgyn | bug |
| 19:43.36 | Amarande | why don't they fix it, then? |
| 19:43.41 | foxlit | they will |
| 19:43.51 | Syzgyn | there hasnt been a patch since? |
| 19:44.00 | Amarande | or is the idea "we don't want you going to strat, we want some strat runs to bug so the mount becomes rarer" |
| 19:44.08 | foxlit | No. |
| 19:44.22 | foxlit | The idea is that nobody thought people would be moronic enough to break it in that fashion |
| 19:44.42 | Syzgyn | I would guess it was somewhat intended, as in 'if theres aboms at the back gate, it's most likely a wipe (at 60) |
| 19:44.59 | NightHawkTheSane | or, alternately, its just an unintended consequence of some change that wasn't really caught. shit happens. it's not a personal insult to you |
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| 19:45.12 | foxlit | Of course, with increased DPS in this expansion, you're more likely to go off killing random abominations than having them come to you. |
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| 19:45.29 | Syzgyn | ^^ |
| 19:45.32 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/106134 << is maddnes |
| 19:45.36 | foxlit | s/s/ss/ |
| 19:45.47 | Syzgyn | hah |
| 19:46.54 | Kirov | lawl |
| 19:47.40 | Amarande | so basically, being 80 is actually a liability in running Strat, because your aggro radius is too small and it makes it more likely the aboms will get to the back? |
| 19:48.03 | NightHawkTheSane | no, being STUPID is a liability |
| 19:48.20 | NightHawkTheSane | quit playing a goddamn martyr |
| 19:48.25 | Amarande | More to the point |
| 19:48.35 | Amarande | anyone remember where the back entrance to Strat is? I can never seem to find it, and I've got the key now |
| 19:49.40 | Amarande | and of course, half the coordinates I'm going to find will be inaccurate, since it's EPL |
| 19:50.07 | foxlit | Yeah, it's right over there |
| 19:50.12 | foxlit | Behind that kill, and through that gate |
| 19:50.25 | foxlit | s/k/h/ |
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| 19:51.28 | Kirov | Amarande - It's where you least expect it. |
| 19:51.42 | Kirov | ie: a logical location |
| 19:52.17 | NightHawkTheSane | its where it says on the map, i think. |
| 19:52.22 | Kirov | Yep |
| 19:52.23 | Lunessa | <3 Seerah |
| 19:52.40 | foxlit | "back gate to Stratholme, please go away - Rivendare" |
| 19:52.57 | Kirov | Look on the map, there's a cave east of stratholme |
| 19:53.37 | zenzelezz | <foxlit> besides, Fordring can has Ashbringer. <--- I thought they said they were planning to advance the Ashbringer story in 3.3, which I read as intending to let players finally get it? |
| 19:53.54 | foxlit | There can be only one |
| 19:54.19 | foxlit | Haven't heard the 3.3 number |
| 19:54.30 | foxlit | And am still wondering what they're doing for .2 |
| 19:54.30 | zenzelezz | I could be misremembering entirely |
| 19:54.32 | foxlit | AN? |
| 19:54.53 | Industrial | 3drakes atm wee its fun |
| 19:55.12 | NightHawkTheSane | I hadn't either, but there's no reason it couldn't come into player's possession at a point in the future. there's also no reason that "advancing the ashbringer story" neccessarily means "becomes an item permanently usable by players" |
| 19:55.15 | Kirov | Pah, you can already get an Ashbringer |
| 19:55.45 | Kirov | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22691 |
| 19:55.48 | Amarande | any word yet on what the next expansion is supposed to center around? |
| 19:55.58 | foxlit | Kirov s/can already/can no longer/ |
| 19:56.19 | foxlit | murlocs |
| 19:56.24 | foxlit | murlocs on bears |
| 19:56.25 | NightHawkTheSane | your mo m |
| 19:56.31 | foxlit | murlocs on bears that shoot lasers from their eyes |
| 19:56.44 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom, riding a bear, with a murloc on her head, shooting lasers from its eyes |
| 19:56.47 | foxlit | murlocs on bears that shoot lasers from their eyes and spew acid in your face |
| 19:56.59 | Kirov | And heal |
| 19:57.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: thats not actually obtainable anymore yeah? |
| 19:59.17 | Kirov | details |
| 19:59.39 | Kirov | Just buy an account on e-bay that has one for a brazillian dollars |
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| 20:00.04 | Gnarfoz | brazilian dollars? |
| 20:00.05 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 20:00.11 | Gnarfoz | how do they convert to euros? |
| 20:00.24 | zenzelezz | all the hunters with Corrupted Ashbringer will be really disappointed if they don't continue the legendary thing |
| 20:04.33 | Kirov | Colin Powell walks in to the oval office shortly after troops were sent in to Iraq with an update on the war. Powell - "Sir, 5 brazillion soldiers were killed today in Iraq." Bush face goes white, "5 Brazillian Troops?" "Yes sir." "That's very troubling." "Yes sir." Powell starts to walk out the door as Bush stares at his desk. Just before the door closes Bush says, "Colin, how many is a brazillian?" |
| 20:06.12 | |pez| | lol |
| 20:06.33 | |pez| | bf commented one shouldn't make fun of retards! ... so he thought the joke was bad ;P |
| 20:07.03 | Kirov | pah |
| 20:11.21 | Kirov | Fuck that |
| 20:11.58 | Lunessa | This is why I don't run for any public office. I get enough ridicule from my friends. I don't need it from stangers. |
| 20:12.02 | Kirov | Elections are for pansies. Military coup is the way to go, look how well that went for Hitler! |
| 20:13.13 | |pez| | I know what they should do in 3.3... make it possible to use flying mounts in the rest of Azeroth! |
| 20:13.21 | Kirov | He's still alive. He's with Elvis, JFK, and the original Dread Pirate Roberts living like kings in Patagonia |
| 20:13.21 | Shirik | Pop quiz: Is it worthwhile to correctly attempt to extract addon archives which have a file solely consisting of backslashes, or should I just let it fail? |
| 20:13.38 | Lunessa | FAIL! |
| 20:13.52 | ZorbaTHut | ugh, I wish they'd un-fuck auctioneer. searchui is so much worse for how I use it and now btmscan doesn't even work on the newest version |
| 20:14.03 | Shirik | uh |
| 20:14.10 | Shirik | what are you trying to do |
| 20:14.12 | Lunessa | And reject that. Any coder who cant compress a file shouldn't be releasing code into the wild. |
| 20:14.15 | Shirik | and why doesn't btmscan work |
| 20:14.52 | Anaral | Shirik my guess would be that Zorba is trying to use btmscan with the preview build. |
| 20:14.52 | Kirov | Shirik - the //////.exe might not be something you want to extract, but that FREEBOOBIES111.src looks promising |
| 20:14.56 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, scan an entire auction house and buy things. btmscan doesn't work because if you try to install the latest Auctioneer, it no longer even has an optional btmscan package, and if you install the older btmscan package, the UI is broken to the point of unusability |
| 20:15.03 | Shirik | omg pings |
| 20:15.12 | Anaral | lol |
| 20:15.12 | ZorbaTHut | which I suspect means that btmscan isn't going to be included in the preview build |
| 20:15.24 | Shirik | ~doesntwork |
| 20:15.25 | purl | Look buddy, doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Be specific! Examples of what doesn't work (or the URL) tend to help too, or pastebin the config if that's the problem |
| 20:15.29 | ZorbaTHut | and searchui still isn't anywhere near as useful for me as btmscan was |
| 20:15.37 | Shirik | you are not being very helpful, ZorbaTHut; I'm trying to help you and you aren't giving me any information |
| 20:15.56 | ZorbaTHut | "broken to the point of unusability" = "the button to turn btmscan on no longer shows up" |
| 20:16.02 | ZorbaTHut | and thus you cannot turn btmscan on, and thus you cannot use it :P |
| 20:16.06 | Shirik | ok see, that's what you need to say |
| 20:16.11 | Shirik | Not "broken" |
| 20:16.15 | ZorbaTHut | well, I figure it's not likely to be fixed in that regard |
| 20:16.18 | Shirik | Uh |
| 20:16.21 | Shirik | if you tell me it is |
| 20:16.22 | ZorbaTHut | the auctioneer devs have made it clear that btmscan is dead |
| 20:16.25 | Anaral | ZorbaTHut: Have you read the wiki on the SearchUI and tried to learn it, or are you just trying to make it do what btmscn did and qqing because it isn't btmscn |
| 20:16.34 | Shirik | Apparently I'm not an auctioneer dev anymore, ok |
| 20:16.55 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, well, it's not included in the preview build, and when I've asked questions about it, I've been told that it's going away soon |
| 20:16.59 | ZorbaTHut | were they wrong? |
| 20:17.06 | Shirik | "going away" is a very vague statement |
| 20:17.14 | Shirik | no, but it is rare that we stop supporting things unless there's a good reason for it |
| 20:17.24 | Shirik | auctioneer classic was supported until 3.0 |
| 20:17.30 | Shirik | despite the fact that it was deprecated long before that |
| 20:17.49 | ZorbaTHut | anaral, there's two modes searchui runs in - the one where it stores a big database which you can search in, and the one where it grabs stuff off the auction house as you scan |
| 20:18.37 | Kirov | Shirik - Stop pretending, leave this to the "real" auctioneer devs. |
| 20:18.37 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:18.37 | ZorbaTHut | the former makes my life massively harder since I generally just scan the entire auction house - it's an entire extra step, along with rescanning for each item when I choose to buy |
| 20:18.37 | Kirov | Like me! |
| 20:18.40 | Kirov | Auctioneer is dead, we've decided it is no longer useful to the community at large and have deleted it. |
| 20:18.49 | Shirik | I don't think I've ever made a more optimized piece of lua code |
| 20:18.50 | Kirov | We advise everyone else to delete it too. |
| 20:18.55 | ZorbaTHut | the latter is much preferable, but it doesn't yet provide as much info as btmscan did (like the value and the markdown) and I ran into a weird bug where it kept rescanning the same page over and over. I figure it'll be fixed eventually, but it's not fixed *now* :P |
| 20:18.59 | Anaral | ZorbaTHut why not try realtime. I've found it to be much cleaner than btmscn ever was. |
| 20:19.06 | foxlit | We, the community, have decided that Kirov is no longer useful to Auctioneer and deleted him. |
| 20:19.25 | Anaral | ~bonk Kirov |
| 20:19.26 | purl | ACTION bonks anaral on behalf of Kirov |
| 20:19.31 | ZorbaTHut | (and I'm running into strange pricing issues with prospecting, but I haven't checked those out heavily - still, 3.5g for a stack of tin ore seems very, very high) |
| 20:19.32 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Kirov!n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (BALETED) |
| 20:19.33 | Anaral | what? |
| 20:19.50 | Anaral | Me thinks purl got confused there. |
| 20:19.51 | ZorbaTHut | anaral, I don't actually have any interest in doing the "bottomscan" thing, I used btmscan to scan the entire AH |
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| 20:19.56 | Syzgyn | ZorbaTHut: You'd be suprised |
| 20:20.09 | ZorbaTHut | turn btmscan on, hit "scan", hammer the "yes buy it" button for a few minutes :) |
| 20:20.17 | Syzgyn | That sounds low for a stack of tin on my server |
| 20:20.29 | ZorbaTHut | syz, I don't mean for the tin itself, it's fine for tin |
| 20:20.35 | ZorbaTHut | I just don't think I can make a profit prospecting at that point |
| 20:20.42 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut: If you can give me more detailed information on where that information is coming from, I can look at it |
| 20:20.43 | Syzgyn | oh I see |
| 20:20.57 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, which, the tin ore data? I don't know yet, I was hoping it would just go away when I updated |
| 20:20.58 | Shirik | however, my code doesn't actually come up with the prices. My responsibility is taking all of the recommended prices and pulling together a final recommendation |
| 20:21.00 | ZorbaTHut | it didn't, so, time to debug :) |
| 20:21.22 | ZorbaTHut | and possibly downgrade to go back to btmscan |
| 20:22.24 | NeoTron | I don't want btmscan but I have wanted an ability to automatically buy, say, ore if it's priced less than X per unit where I define X. narrower scope than what btmscan tries to do |
| 20:22.47 | ZorbaTHut | okay, now it's telling me it's scanning page 195 of 182 |
| 20:23.02 | zenzelezz | it's a thorough scan |
| 20:23.18 | ZorbaTHut | quite thorough |
| 20:23.21 | ZorbaTHut | 205 of 182 |
| 20:24.14 | |pez| | maybe there was 23 new pages added while you've scanned? |
| 20:24.39 | ZorbaTHut | no, I'm pretty sure what's happening is that searchui has this annoying "feature" where, whenever you click "buy", it does another search for that item for some ungodly reason |
| 20:24.44 | ZorbaTHut | and I think it's counting those searches as "pages" |
| 20:25.11 | ZorbaTHut | it's actually saying things like "resumed pause scan at page 165" even while it's telling me it's scanning page 219 of 182 |
| 20:25.17 | ZorbaTHut | *paused |
| 20:30.56 | Shirik | hrm |
| 20:31.34 | Shirik | "this.bundle = getBundle();" "Bundle getBundle() { return this.bundle; }" in the same class |
| 20:31.37 | Shirik | that's actually pretty awesome |
| 20:33.28 | Amarande | OMG! |
| 20:33.29 | Amarande | IT DROPPED! |
| 20:33.35 | NeoTron | Shirik: leet |
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| 20:33.40 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 20:33.40 | NeoTron | Amarande: the pony? |
| 20:34.07 | Amarande | NeoTron: yup, Rivendare's mount |
| 20:34.07 | Shirik | grats Amarande |
| 20:34.20 | Lopeppeppy | ~seen AbsolutRayne |
| 20:34.21 | purl | absolutrayne <n=chatzill@XPLR-MCI-74-127-239-30.barrettxplore.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2h 19m 2s ago, saying: 'Amarande: Oldworld ganking would be so overly enjoyable'. |
| 20:34.21 | Amarande | guess it was worth having to re-clear the aboms |
| 20:35.07 | Amarande | after all, what's the chance the Rivendare I was locked out from would have had the mount also? |
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| 20:42.49 | ZorbaTHut | hey shirik, any idea if there's an easy way to track down where the "Market Price" is coming from? it seems to be wildly inaccurate but I'm unsure of why |
| 20:43.16 | Shirik | I'm working on a really good solution for that question right now |
| 20:43.30 | Shirik | until then, the best you can do is enable displaying the various modules' data in the tooltip |
| 20:43.30 | Anaral | ZorbaTHut: MarketPrice is a mix of averages. |
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| 20:43.36 | Shirik | bad Anaral :P |
| 20:43.39 | Shirik | no averaging done |
| 20:43.39 | Anaral | lol |
| 20:43.43 | Anaral | Oh |
| 20:43.53 | Shirik | It uses a probability distribution |
| 20:44.30 | Lopeppeppy | Quick gathering of opinions. I don't have addons installed, I already ran the repair, my computer is not overheating... what else causes WoW to silently lock and crash? |
| 20:44.44 | NeoTron | Lopeppeppy: you might have windows installed |
| 20:44.51 | Lopeppeppy | Neotron, I totally do. :P |
| 20:44.55 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Only WoW? |
| 20:44.59 | NeoTron | seriously though, what about memory and other hardware issues? |
| 20:45.01 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, only WoW. |
| 20:45.10 | Shirik | do you play any other 3d games/apps? |
| 20:45.15 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, nope. |
| 20:45.21 | foxlit | go run memtest |
| 20:45.22 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a monogamous gamer girl. :) |
| 20:45.29 | Shirik | I agree with foxlit |
| 20:45.29 | ZorbaTHut | memtest, drivers |
| 20:45.40 | Lopeppeppy | Yar. I hate drivers. Oh well! |
| 20:45.51 | foxlit | Though that would more likely lock windows than lock WoW |
| 20:46.00 | Shirik | depends on where the error is :) |
| 20:46.02 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe I just can't play WoW on my desktop. It was what I did the beta on, and the beta kept crashing me horribly. |
| 20:46.11 | Shirik | If it's in high memory, it's unlikely that windows cares what's there |
| 20:46.27 | Lopeppeppy | I have good hardware and memory, I did all of those tests back in Beta to try to help them figure it out. Wound up with much scratching of heads. |
| 20:46.39 | Shirik | My friend had some problems with OpenGL on Windows |
| 20:46.48 | Shirik | what is the result of /script print(GetCVar("gxApi")) |
| 20:46.52 | foxlit | Is it only WoW that locks down? |
| 20:47.04 | Lopeppeppy | Only WoW. Let me see if it lets me go back in to ask that, Shirik. |
| 20:47.15 | Shirik | if it doesn't let you in, there's another way to check it |
| 20:47.32 | Shirik | that's just the easiest to describe P |
| 20:47.33 | Shirik | :P |
| 20:47.38 | Lopeppeppy | The launcher looks corrupted, it doesn't open. I already ran the bloody repair! |
| 20:47.55 | nevcairiel | (skip launcher, run wow.exe directly?) |
| 20:47.59 | Lopeppeppy | Rather, it opens a blank white screen and not a login screen. |
| 20:48.41 | Lopeppeppy | Big blank white screen using the .exe... this is something hugely graphical, I can hear the dragon in the background. |
| 20:49.30 | Thunder_Child | videocard of fail? |
| 20:49.52 | Lopeppeppy | I'd think I'd see that in other ways and not just WoW though. |
| 20:50.04 | nevcairiel | you could always try setting an alternative gxApi in your config.wtf |
| 20:50.09 | foxlit | WoW is its own brand of special |
| 20:50.11 | Thunder_Child | well, since you dont play any other games, wow might be asking something you normaly dont |
| 20:50.19 | foxlit | You can also just pass -opengl to WoW.exe |
| 20:50.20 | Thunder_Child | of your card |
| 20:50.46 | Shirik | foxlit: Backwards |
| 20:50.51 | Shirik | I mean you could try that |
| 20:50.55 | ZorbaTHut | video drivers are weird, and there's a billion slightly different ways to initialize them |
| 20:50.59 | Lopeppeppy | There is no entry for gxApi in my .wtf |
| 20:51.03 | Shirik | but I was commenting on that my friend would always crash using OpenGL on windows |
| 20:51.04 | NeoTron | dxdiag? :) |
| 20:51.07 | nevcairiel | then you are on directx |
| 20:51.08 | ZorbaTHut | lope, update videocard drivers, if you haven't already |
| 20:51.10 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Then it's probably using directx |
| 20:51.13 | ZorbaTHut | then try again |
| 20:51.21 | Shirik | It can't hurt to try opengl |
| 20:51.23 | foxlit | "Shirik: but I was commenting on that my friend would always crash using OpenGL on windows" << works for me |
| 20:51.28 | Shirik | I know |
| 20:51.36 | nevcairiel | opengl on windows is awful in wow, though |
| 20:51.47 | Shirik | opengl on windows is awful |
| 20:51.54 | nevcairiel | works for other games |
| 20:52.09 | NeoTron | s/other games/quake/? :) |
| 20:52.09 | foxlit | Not actually that bad. |
| 20:52.16 | foxlit | The trick is, opengl on windows is mostly a driver affair |
| 20:52.17 | Shirik | lol NeoTron |
| 20:52.35 | NeoTron | is anyone else actually using OpenGL for games on windows anymore? |
| 20:52.35 | nevcairiel | i was going to bring the ID engines as an example, shrug =P |
| 20:52.35 | Shirik | point is, DirectX has a lot more suppot |
| 20:52.35 | Shirik | suppot |
| 20:52.58 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:53.14 | Shirik | I've obviously been writing so much code that I've damaged my keyboard |
| 20:53.30 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, that must be it. |
| 20:53.37 | Shirik | my hands are blazing fast, rawr |
| 20:53.43 | Lunessa | peppy-dear, delete the config.wtf file. |
| 20:54.03 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I already did. I removed Addons and WTF folders and still get this issue. |
| 20:54.21 | NeoTron | is this an issue that didn't happen but then started happening? |
| 20:54.24 | nevcairiel | I still consider John Carmack one of the better designers in the game industry, if his engines run on OpenGL (and they run fine), there must be somethign to it =P |
| 20:54.34 | NeoTron | and if so how old is your graphics card (for example)? |
| 20:54.42 | Olorin | Peppy done reboot incase DX gone haywire? or done windowsupdate and it done graphics update? |
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| 20:54.56 | Lunessa | Her card isn't that old. |
| 20:55.07 | AbsolutRayne | http://i42.tinypic.com/11w6b61.jpg Best Name / Title combo ever |
| 20:55.10 | Lopeppeppy | NeoTron, I installed Wrath on my desktop last week, to playtest a UI from AbsolutRayne. It's an Nvidia GeForce 7600 GS. not ancient, not brand new. |
| 20:55.21 | Lopeppeppy | Olorin, rebooted a few times. :| |
| 20:55.30 | Thunder_Child | http://www.rlslog.net/us-safety-group-ban-cellphones-in-cars/ |
| 20:55.33 | Olorin | it worked fine earlier though huh |
| 20:56.05 | Lunessa | Peppy- NVidia has released new drivers for that series pretty recently. Go grab 'em. Unistall the old ones first, then install the new ones. |
| 20:56.14 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: I'm sick of that |
| 20:56.16 | Lopeppeppy | Doing! :) |
| 20:56.25 | Shirik | people are trying to get people to stop using cell phones in cars and use hands-free sets instewad |
| 20:56.27 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, sick of what? |
| 20:56.35 | Shirik | It's not the phone causing the problem, it's the lack of attention |
| 20:56.39 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, no, this is none at all |
| 20:56.42 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: you know, we have a law here for quite some time now that you can only use mobile phones in cars with a headset or car-integrated-thingy which i dont know the english name of =P |
| 20:56.44 | Shirik | oh good |
| 20:56.47 | Thunder_Child | L2Read |
| 20:56.51 | Anaral | Lopeppeppy, have you updated the driver? I know Nvidia just released drivers on the 8th, for 7 series. http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_181.20_whql.html |
| 20:56.51 | Shirik | I read the title |
| 20:56.58 | AbsolutRayne | I have ADHD, and can talk and drive at the same time easy :/ |
| 20:56.59 | Thunder_Child | L2ReadMore? |
| 20:57.02 | Amarande | it's weird to have a bug to thank for one's FoS |
| 20:57.16 | Anaral | Luness beat me to it. |
| 20:57.19 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, bluetooth |
| 20:57.20 | NeoTron | Lopeppeppy: just curious if it could be a broken fan or something. I've had some hot (pun intended) things happen in those cases |
| 20:57.35 | Shirik | that being said |
| 20:57.44 | Shirik | I've always been amused by states like California that require the use of a headset |
| 20:57.49 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, the fans are workign happily and my core temperature is normal, as is my card and cpu temp |
| 20:57.54 | Shirik | Whereas in Virginia we have laws that ban headsets while driving |
| 20:58.00 | Shirik | which makes more sense |
| 20:58.05 | Shirik | so you can fricking hear stuff outside |
| 20:58.36 | nevcairiel | We require hand-free sets, usually integrated into the car. so no damn headset |
| 20:58.39 | Thunder_Child | i know, but i find it amusing that it coveres ALL moving vehicles...bikes, skateboards, skates..etc. |
| 20:59.00 | nevcairiel | (or a one-ear headset) |
| 20:59.06 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDAw0e-uD4s |
| 20:59.10 | Shirik | Does it cover motorcycles |
| 20:59.14 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 20:59.23 | Lopeppeppy | Windoze needs to be restarted, who is surprised? brb |
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| 20:59.28 | nevcairiel | Like you can use a cell on a motorcycle =P |
| 20:59.32 | Olorin | peppy try checking the wtf entry for SET gxWindow "1" maybee its objecting to windows mode or nonwindows mode |
| 20:59.41 | Thunder_Child | it;s integrated into the helmet nevcairiel |
| 21:00.02 | Shirik | nevcairiel: see that link |
| 21:01.56 | nevcairiel | I dont see how talking completly hands-free can be more distracting then talking to a hot girl next to you |
| 21:01.58 | nevcairiel | but hookay =P |
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| 21:03.04 | ZorbaTHut | nev, the hot girl next to you can shut up when she notices traffic getting hairy, or when she notices you paying more attention to the road. the dude on the phone can't |
| 21:03.16 | nevcairiel | sure he can |
| 21:03.20 | riseandshine | hi guys |
| 21:03.52 | nevcairiel | I hang up on people before when i hit some traffic i had to pay more attention to |
| 21:04.08 | nevcairiel | like, unknown big citys |
| 21:04.31 | riseandshine | is it possible to use numeric values from 0-255 for color values in ui development, like 255,0,0 for red, instead 1,0,0 for red? |
| 21:04.43 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: the trouble isn't when you know something's coming, it's when something happens out of the blue |
| 21:04.52 | Shirik | uh |
| 21:04.57 | Shirik | divide it by 255? |
| 21:05.00 | Shirik | It's not hard |
| 21:05.16 | riseandshine | yea uhm is it exaxt then? |
| 21:05.27 | zenzelezz | floats are relatively accurate |
| 21:05.28 | Shirik | Are you asking if 255/255 == 1? |
| 21:05.40 | zenzelezz | certainly should be accurate enough to represent 256 values |
| 21:05.42 | nevcairiel | talking of colors .. i wrote this gimp plugin that can do geometric conversions of images. scaling a image up by factor 5 with bicubic interpolation is really slow on my laptop <.< |
| 21:05.50 | riseandshine | no but 127 / 255 is not 0.5 |
| 21:06.07 | Shirik | So why would you want to use 127/255 instead of 0.5? |
| 21:06.31 | zenzelezz | most videocards use floating-point internally anyway |
| 21:06.35 | NeoTron | riseandshine: and 127 * 2 is not 255... |
| 21:06.37 | zenzelezz | so your precious integers don't mean much |
| 21:06.41 | nevcairiel | (you know, with 256 color values, there is no point exactly in the middle) |
| 21:06.54 | nevcairiel | you need an odd number for a "center" =P |
| 21:06.59 | Shirik | 127.5/255 is 0.5 |
| 21:07.04 | Shirik | And there's nothing stopping you from using 127.5 |
| 21:07.04 | NeoTron | math 001 |
| 21:07.19 | Shirik | lua> assert(127.5 >= 0 and 127.5 <= 255) |
| 21:07.19 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 21:07.20 | riseandshine | i want to display the exact color value and i'm afraid dividing it will make the color one or tow values off the original |
| 21:07.30 | NeoTron | you have no choice. move on. |
| 21:07.33 | Shirik | Then use 127.5 |
| 21:07.36 | Shirik | What is your question |
| 21:07.41 | ZorbaTHut | riseandshine, also, keep in mind that there's a reason graphics card output is 8-bit - because humans really can't tell the difference between one and another (except very low on the scale on a very dark screen, admittedly) |
| 21:07.43 | Shirik | Why do you want to use 0-255 |
| 21:07.53 | nevcairiel | Shirik: kinda pointless, not like it can actually show 127.5 in a 24bit (or even 32 for alpha) color space =P |
| 21:08.04 | Shirik | well he seems to want 0.5 for god knows what reason |
| 21:08.05 | Shirik | he can get it |
| 21:08.31 | NeoTron | one good way is using 0.5 .. but I think mainly he feels like if you divide it it's no longer a "exact" |
| 21:08.38 | NeoTron | of course there's no other way so it's a moot point |
| 21:08.51 | NeoTron | and WoW isn't exactly useful for "exact color representation" |
| 21:09.10 | NeoTron | it's a game, not a photo / video / print processing program |
| 21:09.26 | Shirik | Better question |
| 21:09.32 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: WHAT?! you mean my Photoshop-in-WoW project is DOOMED?! NOOOOO |
| 21:09.33 | Shirik | riseandshine, why is color accuracy so important to you? |
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| 21:09.35 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 21:09.48 | Lopeppeppy | Let's see how that works.... |
| 21:09.50 | Shirik | I think I have a good idea, but I'd rather not discuss it |
| 21:10.09 | NeoTron | Shirik: accurate representation of in-game HD porn |
| 21:10.12 | nevcairiel | I think i know what Shirik refers to .. =P |
| 21:10.21 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: that'd be my guess |
| 21:10.34 | riseandshine | yea i don't now just wanna be sure when i display colors, they have the exact value, i guess its not that important anyway |
| 21:10.45 | Shirik | why do you want to be so sure? |
| 21:10.46 | NeoTron | something comes to mind that was used back in the good old days of moonglade having high end fishing |
| 21:10.51 | zenzelezz | what about if your users use anti-aliasing? |
| 21:10.58 | Shirik | It's unnatural to think that just because; I think you have a better reason |
| 21:11.21 | NeoTron | or heaven forbid, didn't color calibrate their screen |
| 21:11.34 | Shirik | I like to set my tint all the way to green |
| 21:11.51 | Shirik | makes naxx look like BT again |
| 21:11.53 | foxlit | you WHAT?! |
| 21:11.58 | ZorbaTHut | I turn the contrast way up and the brightness way down |
| 21:12.00 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: what? it's not normally to obsessively color calibrate my screen using high end professional tools every six hours? |
| 21:12.13 | ZorbaTHut | then I roleplay a hardboiled Draenai detective in a world gone mad |
| 21:12.25 | Olorin | Shirik to bring back memories of working on an old IBM XT which only had green ? lol |
| 21:12.30 | NightHawkTheSane | normal* |
| 21:12.35 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: of course it is! but some lowly users don't! |
| 21:12.44 | ZorbaTHut | the sun shone down upon the land like a vengeful god surveying his domain. I needed a case and a drink, and I was out of Thunderfury ale. |
| 21:12.46 | NightHawkTheSane | those poor, poor souls. |
| 21:13.10 | NightHawkTheSane | living in a world deprived of color representation beyond the capacity for human vision |
| 21:15.12 | ZorbaTHut | seriously, where are our tetrachromatic monitors |
| 21:15.34 | Anaral | brb, need to reboot drivers. |
| 21:15.38 | ZorbaTHut | between 2 and 3% of the world's females are being oppressed by the patriarchy! |
| 21:15.51 | NeoTron | of course I'm about 99% color blind so.. accurate is relative :P |
| 21:15.54 | Lopeppeppy | 86% of all statistics are made up. |
| 21:16.40 | NightHawkTheSane | 100% of this sentence is YOUR MOM. |
| 21:16.56 | Olorin | actually thats only about 35% |
| 21:17.06 | nevcairiel | How did we derail again? =P |
| 21:17.08 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: Does he have two slugs in him, one lead, the other bourbon? |
| 21:18.20 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, the first one's mithril and the second one is Cuergo's Gold, but that would be a good approximation, yes |
| 21:20.38 | Lunessa | Excellent. |
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| 21:23.53 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rToKEnySb7s&eurl= |
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| 21:27.19 | Shirik | anyone with a hex editor and a spare zip file around? |
| 21:27.40 | Shirik | I just want to double check a file signature |
| 21:28.40 | zenzelezz | what do you want to know? |
| 21:29.50 | Shirik | I want to know if the 38th and 39th bytes are 0x50 0x4b |
| 21:29.52 | Shirik | respectively |
| 21:30.15 | Shirik | sorry |
| 21:30.18 | Shirik | 0x38th and 0x39th |
| 21:31.58 | zenzelezz | from the start of the file? I'm not familiar with the zip format, but it looks to me like the signature ends much earlier |
| 21:31.58 | nevcairiel | both 0 in my .zip |
| 21:32.24 | Shirik | Well I've seen it all over the place |
| 21:32.26 | Shirik | that's why I'm asking |
| 21:32.30 | Shirik | it seems to be non-standard |
| 21:32.44 | nevcairiel | its totally different in another zip file |
| 21:33.02 | nevcairiel | like, in the middle of a file name |
| 21:33.08 | nevcairiel | way beyond signature |
| 21:33.21 | Shirik | I was trying to verify that something is a zip file; I'm just going to rely on the extension .zip I guess |
| 21:33.22 | Shirik | oh well |
| 21:33.38 | Shirik | If it isn't a zip, we'll know later when it crashes the zip stream :P |
| 21:33.43 | nevcairiel | 50 4b are the first two bytes |
| 21:33.44 | zenzelezz | relying on the start to be "PK" is a decent enough check |
| 21:33.46 | nevcairiel | string PK |
| 21:33.50 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, use the linux "file" tool? |
| 21:34.02 | Shirik | That wouldn't work very well for users on windows |
| 21:34.03 | Thunder_Child | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=6416 |
| 21:34.04 | Olorin | 50 4b same on my zip |
| 21:34.05 | ZorbaTHut | or trying for something more thorough? |
| 21:34.16 | Olorin | first two that is |
| 21:34.17 | nevcairiel | all my zip files start with 50 4b 03 04 |
| 21:34.22 | Shirik | see, for this zip of clique that I'm looking at, it starts with 30 30 30 30 |
| 21:34.28 | Shirik | 50 4b 03 04 is present in it |
| 21:34.30 | Shirik | but not until later |
| 21:34.41 | zenzelezz | where's it from? |
| 21:34.43 | ZorbaTHut | perhaps look at how "file" does it :) |
| 21:34.48 | Shirik | It's clique on wowi |
| 21:34.48 | ZorbaTHut | I seem to recall zip files have footers, btw, not headers |
| 21:34.59 | ZorbaTHut | so looking at the last bytes might give more useful results than looking at the first bytes |
| 21:35.01 | nevcairiel | it still has some small ident header |
| 21:35.06 | nevcairiel | saying "I'm a zip file" |
| 21:35.14 | ZorbaTHut | well, clearly not a hugely reliable one, if clique doesn't have one :) |
| 21:36.08 | Olorin | http://www.pkware.com/documents/casestudies/APPNOTE.TXT has format of zip file |
| 21:36.27 | Shirik | Yeah I was reading that |
| 21:36.34 | Shirik | and they seemed to claim that the signature is not well-defined |
| 21:36.36 | nevcairiel | it claims that our string is right |
| 21:36.49 | nevcairiel | local file header signature 4 bytes (0x04034b50) |
| 21:36.51 | nevcairiel | ^ |
| 21:36.58 | zenzelezz | Shirik: Clique-r108.zip? |
| 21:37.06 | ANTRat | the version of clique i just downloaded is right for me |
| 21:37.08 | zenzelezz | starts with PK when I download it |
| 21:37.09 | Shirik | 144 |
| 21:37.16 | Shirik | oh sorry |
| 21:37.17 | Shirik | this is TomTom |
| 21:37.21 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 21:37.25 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:37.29 | nevcairiel | clique has the header, btw |
| 21:37.51 | nevcairiel | there is no tomtom 144 <.< |
| 21:37.54 | zenzelezz | sure about TomTom? The download there seems to be 193 |
| 21:37.57 | Shirik | oh it may be gone now |
| 21:38.06 | zenzelezz | do some checking before you bugger us :-p |
| 21:38.14 | Shirik | it's pretty old |
| 21:38.19 | nevcairiel | TomTom 193 has the header, too |
| 21:38.23 | Shirik | is there an inverse of "tail"? |
| 21:38.28 | nevcairiel | head |
| 21:38.34 | Shirik | heh |
| 21:38.35 | Shirik | stupid question |
| 21:38.43 | foxlit | horn! |
| 21:38.53 | Shirik | $ hd TomTom-r144.zip | hd | head -n 2 |
| 21:38.53 | Shirik | 0000000 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 20 35 30 20 34 62 20 30 33 0000000.50.4b.03 |
| 21:38.54 | Shirik | 0000010 20 30 34 20 30 61 20 30 30 20 30 30 20 30 30 20 .04.0a.00.00.00. |
| 21:39.02 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 21:39.04 | Shirik | I'm a moron |
| 21:39.09 | nevcairiel | apparently |
| 21:39.12 | Shirik | Now that I copied that here it makes so much sense |
| 21:39.14 | Shirik | I see it now |
| 21:39.28 | Shirik | yeah I see the signature now |
| 21:39.29 | Shirik | thanks... |
| 21:39.36 | Shirik | piping hd to hd has interesting results |
| 21:39.52 | nevcairiel | indeed =P |
| 21:40.15 | Shirik | thanks |
| 21:41.14 | Shirik | It seems that the zip format relies on endianness though, no? |
| 21:41.19 | Shirik | That seems od |
| 21:41.20 | Shirik | odd |
| 21:41.52 | nevcairiel | all in little-endian |
| 21:43.00 | Thunder_Child | ~karma nevcairiel++ |
| 21:43.00 | purl | nevcairiel++ has neutral karma |
| 21:43.45 | nevcairiel | I really shouldn't be doing that, but.. |
| 21:43.47 | nevcairiel | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 21:43.48 | purl | Thunder_Child, you Fail! |
| 21:43.56 | Thunder_Child | it's not my fault it doesnt work |
| 21:44.01 | Thunder_Child | thats what it said to do |
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| 21:44.11 | Thunder_Child | purl: Karma is a community rating system. Use "X++" to increase the karma, or "X--" to decrease it. Ask for ratings using "karma for X?" |
| 21:44.11 | purl | is a community rating system. use "x++" to increase the karma, or "x--" to decrease it. ask for ratings using "karma for x?" has neutral karma |
| 21:44.16 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 21:44.26 | nevcairiel | ~nevcairiel++ |
| 21:44.30 | nevcairiel | ~karma nevcairiel |
| 21:44.30 | purl | nevcairiel has karma of 1 |
| 21:44.47 | Thunder_Child | oh, w/o the karma....boo |
| 21:44.56 | nevcairiel | except that purl told me that i cannot karma myself |
| 21:45.08 | Thunder_Child | ~nevcairiel++ |
| 21:45.11 | Thunder_Child | good for purl |
| 21:45.22 | Thunder_Child | ~karma nevcairiel |
| 21:45.22 | purl | nevcairiel has karma of 2 |
| 21:45.25 | Thunder_Child | ~botsnack |
| 21:45.25 | purl | Thunder_Child: thanks |
| 21:45.38 | ANTRat | ~karma purl |
| 21:45.38 | purl | purl has karma of 28 |
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| 21:48.24 | Anaral | Do I want to level my mage a bit, or do Hodir dailies? |
| 21:48.59 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 21:50.15 | Olorin | lol thats an answer my dad would give, choice of two thigns, answer yes = no help :P |
| 21:50.35 | NeoTron | it just means do both |
| 21:50.46 | svenadh | that's the kind of answer that this question deserves |
| 21:50.56 | Anaral | Bah |
| 21:51.10 | Olorin | well i remember that next time im cooking dinner, NeoTron said thats cause you wanted both dinners |
| 21:52.15 | NightHawkTheSane | it could also mean "i dont care" |
| 21:53.43 | Olorin | actually in his case its 'yes' I was watching the tv and couldnt be bothered to listen... |
| 21:55.33 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: why are small dream shards showing up in opie's quest item ring? |
| 21:56.41 | Lopeppeppy | Kiss kiss, ttfn. |
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| 21:56.55 | foxlit | must've been whitelisted at some point |
| 21:57.18 | foxlit | It's interesting, you shouldn't really be able to loot them that fast |
| 21:57.51 | NightHawkTheSane | eh? |
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| 22:01.19 | foxlit | The real problem is that far from all quest items are marked as "Quest Item" type items |
| 22:01.31 | foxlit | So there's a second identification mechanism as well. |
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| 22:09.47 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: i'm curious about this second identification mechanism, and how it would flag a small dream shard. i'm additionally curious how i can get it out of that ring. :p |
| 22:10.19 | foxlit | Rings/Common.lua |
| 22:10.51 | foxlit | You should be able to lose it by either removing the item ID from the saved vars or logging on with no dream shards in your inventory |
| 22:10.57 | foxlit | s/inventory/bags/ |
| 22:11.41 | Nizomi | hm so maybe here, anyone knows an addon that looks up (/who) a dead-corpse to see if the player is still online? |
| 22:11.50 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: the latter doesn't work for sure, i've logged in (and used said ring) several times with no small shards (i had large shards.. but that shouldn't matter?) I noticed the issue a while ago, forgot about it when i got rid of my small shards, and then noticed it again just now |
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| 22:14.06 | foxlit | English client? |
| 22:14.07 | Olorin | Nizomi, cant remeber but doesnt it say ressurectable on the tooltip? if so im not sure if that comes up or not if player not online |
| 22:14.42 | Nizomi | isn't ressurectable only when they didn't release their ghost? |
| 22:14.43 | foxlit | Resurrectable means they haven't released. |
| 22:14.52 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: yes |
| 22:16.13 | foxlit | So it's not a language issue, either. |
| 22:16.15 | Amarande | I think it would suck if you could rez someone who was offline. |
| 22:16.50 | Nizomi | well the problem is |
| 22:16.56 | foxlit | Curious. On the other hand, my disenchanter twink does not get small dream shards in the quest ring |
| 22:17.04 | Nizomi | i like to ress people but i don't feel like doing a /who for any corpse i see |
| 22:17.06 | Nizomi | *every corpse |
| 22:17.09 | Amarande | There's been at least one time when I've logged out while dead as a specific tactic |
| 22:17.10 | foxlit | There's an addon |
| 22:17.52 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: ah, my bad. |
| 22:18.07 | foxlit | You can't fix it by logging in with no small shards |
| 22:18.25 | foxlit | You can only fix it if you use the ring while it contains a small shard entry and you don't have any small shards. |
| 22:19.12 | foxlit | So log in with shards, open the ring, put your shards in bank, open the ring again. |
| 22:21.03 | foxlit | Although now I'm curious how you managed to get it onto the whitelist. |
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| 22:30.18 | Thunder_Child | i just got confused by a slice of bread... |
| 22:32.15 | zenzelezz | keep them horizontal, easier that way |
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| 22:37.25 | Tewan | Thunder_Child, wait, what? |
| 22:40.23 | Thunder_Child | "Bread, It's confusing" |
| 22:42.12 | foxlit | ffmpeg is mildly interesting |
| 22:43.34 | |pez| | Any engineers around? |
| 22:43.43 | Lunessa | ... dude, wait, what? |
| 22:43.45 | Thunder_Child | what kind of engineers? |
| 22:43.54 | Thunder_Child | EE, ME, software? |
| 22:43.58 | foxlit | dude |
| 22:43.59 | foxlit | WoW |
| 22:44.01 | |pez| | Ingame :D |
| 22:44.50 | Thunder_Child | |pez|, i'm sure Shirik is around, he has no life |
| 22:45.12 | |pez| | I'm wondering if the Volatile Blasting Trigger recipe creates one or two Volatile Blasting triggers.. |
| 22:45.41 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53281 |
| 22:45.44 | foxlit | wander on :) |
| 22:45.58 | Thunder_Child | 2 |
| 22:46.13 | |pez| | right, thanks. |
| 22:46.27 | |pez| | I'm not always sure the number wowhead gives is right. |
| 22:50.29 | |Jelly| | 3.0.8 tomorrow or no? |
| 22:50.40 | Tekkub | one can hope |
| 22:50.51 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 22:51.12 | Maurits_ | for the U.S., right? |
| 22:57.39 | NightHawkTheSane | http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/01/12/porn_does_not_cause_rape |
| 22:58.08 | End | I found a way to reset the duration on items! |
| 22:58.11 | End | actually, that's a lie |
| 22:58.14 | *** join/#wowuidev WobWork (n=Wobin@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 22:58.20 | End | a way to reset the duration on items found my mysterious egg |
| 22:58.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-69-204-134-64.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 22:58.58 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 22:59.04 | NightHawkTheSane | do you know what caused it specifically? |
| 22:59.21 | End | no idea |
| 22:59.54 | End | Lopeppeppy is mocking me |
| 23:00.56 | End | oh what a surprise...a high volume of petitions |
| 23:01.11 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, WoW works? |
| 23:01.25 | Lopeppeppy | No darlin'... I'm sorry, I was fighting with my insurance company all day. I finally just told them to F off and signed up with a new one. |
| 23:01.46 | Thunder_Child | did you save money by switching to Geico? |
| 23:01.58 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. But I saved a murder prosecution. |
| 23:02.05 | Thunder_Child | you know, if that was spelled correctly that would have been better |
| 23:03.14 | Olorin | eek i read that as I saved a murder prostitution |
| 23:03.19 | Thunder_Child | that too |
| 23:03.26 | Lopeppeppy | Olorin.... go get yourself some noookie, you know, freudian slips and all. |
| 23:05.48 | Olorin | hmm wonder if I could pay with Precut shadow gems and others i got a ton, should be good for an hour or two, not that i know what the going rates are |
| 23:06.11 | Lopeppeppy | I think... more than a "shadow gem", dear. |
| 23:06.37 | Thunder_Child | it used to be that an 4000g would get you that...dunno what it is now |
| 23:07.09 | Thunder_Child | s/4/5/ |
| 23:07.13 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. It was the full 5000g for an epic mount. It was a fair trade, epic mount for epic mount. |
| 23:07.26 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, that was no epic mount |
| 23:07.48 | Lopeppeppy | She said the client was satisfied that it was. |
| 23:07.55 | End | whut |
| 23:07.57 | End | the |
| 23:08.00 | Thunder_Child | the client was blind |
| 23:08.09 | End | my mysterious egg's duration is correct again... |
| 23:08.21 | Thunder_Child | and you cant take her word for it Lopeppeppy, she is kinda biased |
| 23:08.23 | Lopeppeppy | ... the epicness of mounting is not in the eye of the beholder, it's somewhat lower. |
| 23:10.55 | End | awwww, GetItemCount() doesn't work on currencies :( |
| 23:11.09 | Thunder_Child | it's not an item.... |
| 23:11.18 | Lopeppeppy | ...it's a currency |
| 23:11.30 | End | sure it is |
| 23:11.47 | End | well, sort is |
| 23:11.50 | End | sort of is |
| 23:11.53 | Lopeppeppy | uh-huh. |
| 23:11.57 | Lopeppeppy | Ain't. |
| 23:12.03 | End | all currencies, except for gold have item ids |
| 23:12.26 | End | but gold isn't really a currency |
| 23:12.32 | End | at least as far as the panel is concerned |
| 23:12.35 | Lopeppeppy | Uh-huh. |
| 23:13.31 | End | well |
| 23:13.39 | End | are badges of justice items? :P |
| 23:13.42 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 23:13.50 | Thunder_Child | they are physical items |
| 23:14.00 | Thunder_Child | s/items/objects/ |
| 23:14.06 | Thunder_Child | in theory |
| 23:14.29 | End | well |
| 23:14.33 | Arrowmaster | it is possible to pick them up from code and delete them |
| 23:14.41 | End | that's interesting |
| 23:15.03 | End | the currency api is doing something weird with honor points |
| 23:15.11 | End | all the others are items |
| 23:15.14 | Arrowmaster | since theres no gui to do it thats why a lot of currencies dont go in the tab |
| 23:15.25 | Arrowmaster | arena points too im guessing |
| 23:15.33 | Syzgyn | I always wondered... what is the point of being able to click on the money in your bag and pick it up? |
| 23:15.38 | End | well, honor points and arena points do have an item id |
| 23:15.41 | End | Syzgyn: trade with people? |
| 23:15.56 | Syzgyn | But you can just type it in |
| 23:15.57 | End | but they fail on GetItemCount(), whereas other currencies DON'T fail |
| 23:16.17 | Arrowmaster | you likely cant pickup and delete them then |
| 23:16.21 | Arrowmaster | that would be kinda silly |
| 23:17.12 | End | which gold or "currencies"? All the currencies are soulbound, so yeah, there's no point |
| 23:17.39 | End | well |
| 23:17.55 | End | I can use my item tracker addon to track badges and such at least, even though they aren't in my bags |
| 23:18.17 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Dustwallow? |
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| 23:21.22 | End | hm |
| 23:21.28 | Lunessa | Lunessa's incoming forum vacation ... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14318914408&sid=1 |
| 23:22.15 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, yes. If I crash again, I'm going to scream.... but yes! |
| 23:23.14 | alestane | Somebody posted a title, "my macro respected me..." and I keep thinking, "until I slept with it." |
| 23:23.24 | Lunessa | alestane: It never called me again. /cry /wrists |
| 23:23.41 | alestane | Only, I might have to wait a bit on Dustwallow and cook dinner first...just got a message that the missus is on her way home, and probably hungry. |
| 23:24.11 | Lopeppeppy | Oh yes, feed the lady. Ping me when you're ready, if you're ready. I'm eating dinner atm as well. |
| 23:24.59 | alestane | She says she has to go back to work afterward, to check her backup, because they just replaced the tape drive today. More crashing and thrashings. |
| 23:25.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, FFS. I'm going to buy her a flogger for that server to keep it in line! |
| 23:26.00 | alestane | Actually, one of her other friends already gave her one. I'll pass on the suggestion though. |
| 23:26.48 | alestane | The tape drive probably nosedived at the same time as the drive vault, but since the backup program was on the drive vault, they didn't find out about the tape drive until after they got the drive vault back online. |
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| 23:27.52 | Lopeppeppy | Does make sense, but it's still wicked and willful behavior. |
| 23:29.08 | alestane | Apparently, since she had to shut them all down Saturday morning anyway, she decided to re-rack all the servers and other hardware, since someone else started filling the racks from the top and she is only a little taller than you. |
| 23:29.53 | alestane | And some of the equipment was apparently grumpy about being shifted out of its comfortable home. |
| 23:30.04 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. Rack from the second-to-bottom, hello, and never all the way to the top. |
| 23:34.26 | Lunessa | I r teh tall enuf. I rack 'em high! |
| 23:36.28 | Lopeppeppy | You and your racks. |
| 23:37.11 | alestane | ...that's OUR line, Peppy. |
| 23:37.31 | alestane | nonsequitor: Man that is one *powerful* onion. |
| 23:38.17 | Lopeppeppy | More cooking for the lady, less crying! |
| 23:40.09 | NeoTron | End: when 3.0 launched currencies were shown in baggins like any other item |
| 23:40.09 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: That was missing *whipcrack* |
| 23:40.21 | Lopeppeppy | No, I'm giving the flogger to Kat for her server. |
| 23:41.21 | *** part/#wowuidev svenadh (n=svenadh@p57A4A919.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:41.23 | zenzelezz | "did you see that girl's rack? Must've been at least a 2U" |
| 23:41.45 | Lopeppeppy | 2U? |
| 23:41.55 | zenzelezz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19-inch_rack |
| 23:42.11 | kd3 | rofl |
| 23:42.20 | zenzelezz | actually, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_unit is more specific |
| 23:42.20 | End | NeoTron: yeah, but they don't -have- to be items |
| 23:42.45 | End | in the very least, while arena/honor points have an item id you can find, they don't respond to queries like GetItemCount() |
| 23:42.54 | End | whereas badges/emblems do |
| 23:43.34 | Lunessa | ... Not just another pair of .38s |
| 23:43.43 | zenzelezz | I can't claim to be familiar with those sizes; they tend to look different in real life from pictures/TV |
| 23:44.00 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/unix_licence_plate.jpg |
| 23:44.28 | Lunessa | http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2009/01/12/chipotle-mobile-ordering-comes-to-iphone/ |
| 23:45.39 | WobWork | I'm surprised it took this long |
| 23:45.48 | mikma | hehe, http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/awd.jpg |
| 23:48.05 | Industrial | Any enhancement shaman with experience with EnhSim? |
| 23:52.31 | Industrial | anyway, nn |
| 23:52.35 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/hoho.jpg |
| 23:52.53 | *** join/#wowuidev cloudwolf (n=cloudwol@c-76-22-101-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 23:53.15 | cloudwolf | Wows coding supports for loops right? |
| 23:54.11 | mikma | for sure |
| 23:54.42 | Lunessa | Industrial, don't use it. EJ forums has all the information you could ever gorram want for it though |
| 23:54.49 | cloudwolf | so it would be for x 1 to number do? |
| 23:55.07 | Olorin | for x=1, number do |
| 23:55.33 | cloudwolf | ty |
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| 23:58.22 | sylvanaar | cloudwolf its called farming, and yes |
