| 00:00.17 | nevcairiel | Of course, Blizzard always was on the upside with that. |
| 00:00.29 | nevcairiel | the EA online service is crap |
| 00:00.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 00:01.03 | nevcairiel | And half the world is EA now :( |
| 00:01.05 | kd3 | s/the online service// |
| 00:01.12 | nevcairiel | truth |
| 00:01.36 | nevcairiel | WAR started to degrade already |
| 00:01.52 | nevcairiel | people noticed that its the same as WoW, just less good |
| 00:02.05 | nevcairiel | so alot came back |
| 00:02.18 | nevcairiel | others quite entirely |
| 00:02.21 | nevcairiel | -e |
| 00:03.48 | nevcairiel | I wonder if some MMO will emerge some time that could really compete with WoW. I don't even know of any game company that could pull something like that off |
| 00:04.42 | foxlit | /point Blizzard |
| 00:04.52 | nevcairiel | Hah. |
| 00:05.00 | Aiiane | if blizzard launched a second mmo it could probably compete |
| 00:05.11 | foxlit | They have the bonus advantage of being able to kill off WoW on demand |
| 00:05.11 | nevcairiel | Indeed, but not like they would |
| 00:05.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Considering their top secret MMO I'd say you're dead on :P |
| 00:05.43 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.blizzard.com/us/jobopp/?rhtml=y |
| 00:05.43 | nevcairiel | the next-gen MMO is probably planned as a successor to WoW, to be announced in 3-4 years =P |
| 00:05.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Under "Unannounced" |
| 00:06.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Except for the part where everything we know says it's an entirely new IP |
| 00:06.03 | ScytheBlade1 | So... probably not |
| 00:06.16 | foxlit | Doesn't have to be the same IP |
| 00:06.17 | kd3 | entirely new ip... so... the vikings one? |
| 00:06.22 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 00:06.24 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:06.37 | nevcairiel | Somehow i don't really think they would go with a new IP |
| 00:06.50 | nevcairiel | but then, a starcraft MMO would be so predictable |
| 00:06.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Time will tell |
| 00:07.03 | Aiiane | who cares, I'd still be interested nevcairiel ;) |
| 00:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure we've had blizzard people say that it is indeed a new IP |
| 00:07.11 | foxlit | -RPG |
| 00:07.56 | nevcairiel | Aiiane: somehow i prefer the green lands of warcraft to the deserted outlands of starcraft |
| 00:08.04 | Aiiane | I think any MMO that could be truly competitive would have to find a slightly different genre than WoW, but still have the same mentality w.r.t appealing to the masses |
| 00:08.15 | Aiiane | i.e. find a different niche, without it being a niche |
| 00:08.35 | Aiiane | (as odd as that sounds :P) |
| 00:09.28 | nevcairiel | Warcraft had the prefect lore for a MMO, well so would Diablo, but it already is a RPG, not really MMO, but mostly focused on multiplayer .. so it would be kinda weird |
| 00:09.32 | nevcairiel | Maybe somethign new afterall |
| 00:09.50 | Aiiane | if a company were able to develop an MMOFPS that also offered the level of solo content WoW can |
| 00:10.00 | Amarande | WoW sits on just the right level of intersection |
| 00:10.08 | Aiiane | (solo in terms of gameplay, not necessarily in terms of existence - for instance, WoW's mat farming is mostly solo play) |
| 00:10.39 | nevcairiel | a solo MMO-FPS would somehow really bore me |
| 00:10.43 | foxlit | Calling mat farming play is a problem. |
| 00:10.55 | Amarande | From my limited understanding of the business of MMO, it seems to me that an existing property, to succeed as an MMO, must be a world which has several particular attributes |
| 00:10.55 | Aiiane | foxlit: maybe. but some people find it relaxing |
| 00:11.05 | Aiiane | anywho, dinnertime for be, bbl |
| 00:11.06 | foxlit | Those people should go outside and listen to the birds hum |
| 00:11.12 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 00:11.30 | nevcairiel | oh hey my windows7 download is finally done |
| 00:11.42 | Amarande | 1) the world must have a well-woven and consistent lore |
| 00:11.49 | kd3 | they fail for not using the bandwidth load to their advantage |
| 00:11.58 | foxlit | 1. < meh |
| 00:12.00 | kd3 | read: a torrent! |
| 00:12.10 | Amarande | 2) the world must allow for certain forms of magic, in particular, battle healing, and not have lore so entrenched regarding death that player respawn is unreasonable |
| 00:12.12 | foxlit | kd3: but why bother? |
| 00:12.22 | nevcairiel | Microsoft has enough bandwidth =P |
| 00:12.26 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: this is the second time that they've come out and said that sure, they could push the bits faster |
| 00:12.34 | foxlit | If they've got enough (free) internet connectivity, why offload it to people? |
| 00:12.37 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: but it'd come at the cost of seriously impacting the internet performance as a whole |
| 00:12.39 | Amarande | 3) the world's magic system also pretty much has to be one that allows for an experience-based advancement system |
| 00:12.46 | kd3 | hm |
| 00:12.50 | Amarande | 4) the world must not inherently require content of an adult nature |
| 00:13.24 | Amarande | 5) the magic system needs to be balanced so that you do not end up in a trap where casters are inherently superior to fighters with no real way to balance it. |
| 00:13.34 | nevcairiel | MS is worried about getting the tubes filled with their stuff? =P |
| 00:13.34 | foxlit | you're outlining bullet points for what, exactly? |
| 00:13.45 | Amarande | foxlit: requirements that a world must meet in order to be successful as an MMO |
| 00:13.47 | NightHawkTheSane | his narrow minded viewpoint of what a successful mmo "must" be |
| 00:14.04 | foxlit | In that case, I'd say you're majorly overstretching things |
| 00:14.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ignoring that eve is none of those, and yet by every account is quite successful |
| 00:14.58 | Amarande | Night: I'm focusing more on the sword and sorcery type than the sci-fi type here |
| 00:14.58 | nevcairiel | I loved that single player game that came before Eve, i cant get the name out of my brain right now ... but eve it self, i never got the hang of it |
| 00:14.58 | Amarande | well, it does seem that a world that doesn't meet one of the above has an uphill battle |
| 00:14.58 | NightHawkTheSane | it'a a meaningless distinction that only serves to pigeonhole your perceptions |
| 00:15.14 | Amarande | if lore isn't well-woven and consistent, then it's just a badly designed world |
| 00:15.37 | Amarande | if the magic system doesn't allow for constant in-battle healing, you can't have classical MMO style group battles at all |
| 00:15.43 | nevcairiel | Thats why everyone runs on someone elses lore =P |
| 00:15.48 | Amarande | in fact, then, -every battle becomes a DPS race- |
| 00:15.54 | nevcairiel | Age of Conan, Warhammer, LOTRO .. all stolen lore |
| 00:16.25 | NightHawkTheSane | once again, you ignorantly pigegonhole yourself into a very specific design. come back when you're willing to take a step outside :p |
| 00:16.53 | foxlit | Here's the short list: |
| 00:16.59 | foxlit | 1. It must be fun |
| 00:17.05 | foxlit | 2. It must be different from existing fun things. |
| 00:17.15 | nevcairiel | 3. Not related to EA |
| 00:17.23 | Amarande | If the magic system doesn't allow for experience based advancement (IOW, you're inborn to a certain level of power), then you basically have to ditch a level system altogether, as there's no way to level up casters |
| 00:17.39 | Amarande | If you require content of an adult nature, then you end up with the "mature content isn't mature" trap |
| 00:18.03 | Amarande | And if casters are inherently superior (Wheel of Time in particular falls prey to this), then no one will want to play a non-caster class |
| 00:18.05 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: It doesn't even have to be horribly different. |
| 00:18.14 | Amarande | Night: Sadly. |
| 00:18.15 | foxlit | Not horribly different, sure |
| 00:18.17 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: really, I'd say: 1: it must be fun. 2: it must be implemented well. |
| 00:18.28 | NightHawkTheSane | and really, if you have 2, you probably have 1 by default |
| 00:18.33 | nevcairiel | It must be fun for more then two weeks |
| 00:18.35 | Amarande | Hence the eternal success of Madden, despite the fact that each year's release just has a roster update and some graphics polish, for the most part |
| 00:18.49 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: I'm sure you could design well-implemented torture |
| 00:18.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 00:18.55 | foxlit | So it's more that 2 is a prereq for 1 |
| 00:19.19 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: heh, well, yes. I assumed it was implied that fun was a given goal, not torture. ;) |
| 00:19.45 | nevcairiel | Most of the games i played were actually kinda fun adn all, but usually didnst last, because no new fun was added over time |
| 00:20.03 | nevcairiel | thats a big problem of new MMOs |
| 00:20.07 | NightHawkTheSane | From what I hear, that was the major pitfall of conan |
| 00:20.57 | Amarande | The fact remains though that the vast majority of prominent fantasy worlds are most likely not suited to an MMO. |
| 00:21.17 | Amarande | Then again, they managed to make a LOTRO. |
| 00:21.25 | nevcairiel | LOTRO fails |
| 00:21.34 | Amarande | And many of these worlds are seen in small-scale MUDs. |
| 00:21.59 | Amarande | But it's always been my opinion that the amateur world designer has far more latitude than the professional, at least on a gaming front |
| 00:27.01 | Aiiane | on a side note, Anarchy Online's world was a good example of one that's well-designed without being a WoW clone |
| 00:27.10 | Aiiane | the game itself is meh nowadays |
| 00:27.17 | Aiiane | but the world/lore was fairly well done |
| 00:28.00 | Aiiane | it basically addressed the "melee vs caster" balance by just making everyone a caster, albeit different styles of caster |
| 00:29.10 | Iriel | AO overused cookie cutter generated instances though |
| 00:29.16 | Iriel | the world was kinda neat but the game was boring as hell |
| 00:29.54 | Aiiane | correct, iriel |
| 00:30.03 | Aiiane | that's one of the main challenges I see for an MMOFPS |
| 00:30.15 | Aiiane | is providing options for when you don't want to pvp |
| 00:30.52 | Aiiane | it's more difficult to generate engaging FPS pve than it is to generate WoW-type pve |
| 00:31.45 | Iriel | I'm not sure I entirely agree, there are some general "mechanics" complexities, but beyond that the notion of "interesting generated content" is more or less the same |
| 00:32.06 | Aiiane | when I say "generated" I don't necessarily mean dynamic |
| 00:32.34 | Iriel | Ah, so your comment is referring to ONLY the mechanics aspect? |
| 00:32.44 | Aiiane | mostly |
| 00:32.46 | Iriel | In that case I think I agree, though something like L4D shows they're getting better |
| 00:33.10 | Aiiane | L4D is basically what I'd think of an "instance" in an MMOFPS being |
| 00:33.21 | Iriel | I think getting dynamic generated content right will be a major unlock for the holy grail of persistent worlds |
| 00:33.27 | Aiiane | oh, definitely |
| 00:33.28 | Iriel | namely, lasting impact from player actions |
| 00:33.52 | Aiiane | the first company that actually "gets it right" with regards to dynamic generation of content will have a treasure trove on their hands |
| 00:33.56 | Iriel | (and I mean real lasting impact, not 'first person to unlock gate X means the gate is open from now on' |
| 00:33.59 | Aiiane | assuming the rest of their game doesn't totally suck) |
| 00:34.03 | Iriel | yes well |
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| 00:34.26 | Iriel | As someone who tried dark and light (or was it the other way around), not suck is important |
| 00:34.31 | NightHawkTheSane | there's so many hurdles to true dynamic content in persistent worlds it's not even funny. :( |
| 00:35.02 | foxlit | Introducing: overabundance of content |
| 00:35.03 | Aiiane | the main issue I've seen so far with "lasting impacts" |
| 00:35.11 | Aiiane | is that it means you run into 1 of 2 issues |
| 00:35.23 | Aiiane | either a) your player(s) have to "lose" at some point |
| 00:35.27 | foxlit | Your world-changing actions in Region #234923840293840293 are insignificant to everyone else in Region #12938129384757 |
| 00:35.29 | Aiiane | (not permanently lose, but at least temporarily) |
| 00:35.39 | Iriel | yes, i've NEVER seen it solved today |
| 00:35.40 | Aiiane | or b) your world has to continue getting "better" |
| 00:35.49 | Iriel | I think zero sum will be critical |
| 00:35.54 | Aiiane | zero sum *is* critical |
| 00:35.55 | ZorbaTHut | ATITD has a somewhat clever solution which would be completely impractical for something like WoW |
| 00:35.58 | Aiiane | anything else isn't sustainable |
| 00:36.12 | Iriel | I love the ATITD system, but the game ends, so it's not really viable for everyone else |
| 00:36.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: for a truely sustainable situation zero sum is the only way it'll work. |
| 00:36.17 | ZorbaTHut | namely, that everyone contributes to improving the world's technology, and eventually everyone "wins", and a month later the game resets and you start over :) |
| 00:36.18 | Iriel | and there's only one teppy |
| 00:36.32 | foxlit | what is "sustainable" alters with technology |
| 00:36.32 | ZorbaTHut | it wouldn't really work for something like WoW though. |
| 00:36.35 | Iriel | NightHawkTheSane: well, you can have an ever expanding universe, as long as the rate is sane you can cheat a /little/ |
| 00:36.48 | Aiiane | sure |
| 00:36.49 | Iriel | But you can change something without making it necessarily better or worse |
| 00:36.54 | Aiiane | but you can't save the world every day |
| 00:36.58 | Iriel | for example, trees can be different colors, but they're still a tree |
| 00:36.58 | Aiiane | without it becoming cheezy |
| 00:37.12 | foxlit | Aiiane: and what's wrong with that? |
| 00:37.13 | ZorbaTHut | that's sorta an interesting idea actually |
| 00:37.22 | ZorbaTHut | characters can help level up the game world |
| 00:37.30 | Iriel | I dont think the impact has to be world-changing the sense of its scope |
| 00:37.41 | ZorbaTHut | the actual effect of this is that all players everywhere increase in power slightly and gradually |
| 00:37.44 | Iriel | at least, not permanently |
| 00:38.00 | ZorbaTHut | meanwhile, all monsters, while still equally powerful, have their "effective level" reduced at a similar rate |
| 00:38.10 | Aiiane | I think one factor that will probably end up being key is pvpve missions |
| 00:38.15 | Aiiane | i.e. "indirect pvp" |
| 00:38.23 | Aiiane | have multiple player factions that can set one another back |
| 00:38.28 | ZorbaTHut | as such, everyone is eventually guaranteed to be able to see all content, but the guys at the front really are the "best". |
| 00:38.29 | Iriel | The other possibility is the "sliding window" effect |
| 00:38.36 | Iriel | There are say, 100 zones in action at a time |
| 00:38.37 | foxlit | because stalemates are so exciting |
| 00:38.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Aiiane: i think "indirect" actions in general will be important |
| 00:38.42 | Iriel | every week you lose one, and gain another |
| 00:38.50 | Iriel | the world is always the same size |
| 00:39.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: hmm, now -thats- a very interesting concept i hadn't considered. with the right lore/setting it could be vastly interesting |
| 00:39.29 | Aiiane | harnessing players to design missions would be interesting as well |
| 00:39.29 | foxlit | Having a fine world seems like more of a pain than an advantage. |
| 00:39.30 | ZorbaTHut | I've always thought it would be a neat idea to rig it up so that people compete for prizes, but the prizes actually make the game *harder* |
| 00:39.31 | Iriel | (obviously you might have lore issues with that, but there's a ton of imaginative people) |
| 00:39.34 | Aiiane | i.e. you capture a base |
| 00:39.38 | ZorbaTHut | so that the "best players" don't just accelerate past everyone else |
| 00:39.42 | foxlit | Expand. Always. Mercilessly. |
| 00:39.53 | Aiiane | you, then, as the owner of the base are allowed to design the layout, but are given a strict budget of items and money |
| 00:39.54 | Iriel | the problem with that, Z, is that NEW players have a higher and higher cliff |
| 00:40.04 | Iriel | so the old good players become an unattainable peak |
| 00:40.08 | Iriel | even if they stop caring |
| 00:40.14 | ZorbaTHut | but they have the little prize that says "I beat Malyxia with the honor equipment" |
| 00:40.14 | Aiiane | and then your base becomes an instance for the opposite faction |
| 00:40.24 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, I mean, harder for *that player* |
| 00:40.29 | ZorbaTHut | not for the world in general |
| 00:40.39 | NightHawkTheSane | user-generated pve content could also work as well, if done right |
| 00:40.47 | Aiiane | which is what I was basically floating, NightHawkTheSane |
| 00:40.57 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 00:41.01 | Aiiane | the key is to give users a *reason* to generate the content |
| 00:41.09 | Iriel | Sufficiently interesting zero sum challenges are a great basis for user-generated PVP and possibly even PVE content |
| 00:41.11 | ZorbaTHut | it's sort of achievement-based in a way - most people can "kill the boss", but can you kill the boss with a giant banner saying "I am championing the Alliance!" that reduces all your stats by a chunk? |
| 00:41.11 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: cue relevant PA comics about LBP |
| 00:41.20 | Iriel | "adopt" the more interesting PVP approaches and PVE-icise them |
| 00:41.24 | Aiiane | NightHawkTheSane: for instance, the contract system in EVE |
| 00:41.25 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: indeed... |
| 00:41.35 | Aiiane | is basically allowing user-generated courier missions |
| 00:41.43 | Aiiane | the bounty system allows user-generated kill missions |
| 00:41.45 | Iriel | Yeah, but EVE has no PVE content |
| 00:41.47 | Iriel | really |
| 00:41.53 | Iriel | I mean, there's the pretense |
| 00:42.19 | Aiiane | but say player-owned stations could be attacked by NPC rats that were actually competent |
| 00:42.35 | Iriel | But that's sort of the backwards scenario IMHO |
| 00:42.36 | Aiiane | but if you killed that faction of rats in the system, the frequency of attacks would decrease |
| 00:42.44 | Iriel | The successful PvP players dont really care about PvE content |
| 00:42.47 | Aiiane | you might see people putting out contracts to kill those rats |
| 00:42.53 | Aiiane | to keep their stations protected |
| 00:43.46 | Aiiane | obviously there aren't direct parallels or we'd have all the solutions already ;) |
| 00:43.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Aiiane: the other side of that works equally well, give "opposing" players means to increase the rat attacks. |
| 00:43.54 | Iriel | I think it'd be neat in WoW if you could take contracts to deliver the mail |
| 00:44.07 | foxlit | and then steal the mail |
| 00:44.14 | Iriel | if people aren't successful in doing those missions then the mail is delayed, and the reward goes up |
| 00:44.17 | Iriel | you dont carry the ACTUAL mail |
| 00:44.25 | Iriel | you're just proving that the route is safe |
| 00:44.35 | foxlit | Meh, and where's the fun :) |
| 00:44.40 | Aiiane | would have to be on pvp servers then |
| 00:44.53 | Aiiane | either that or taking the mission flags you |
| 00:44.59 | Iriel | Yes, well, you'd need some PvE resistance |
| 00:44.59 | Iriel | etc |
| 00:45.07 | Iriel | I'm not claiming it's a whole solution |
| 00:45.14 | Aiiane | i realize that :) |
| 00:45.21 | Iriel | but the idea that the underlying game mechanic, while not entirely on the player's backs, is dependent on player action |
| 00:46.54 | Iriel | kd3: But think of everyone who never gets to participate, that's kinda sad |
| 00:47.14 | Aiiane | Iriel: out of curiousity, what did you think of my base defense design idea? |
| 00:47.18 | Lopeppeppy | I'd rather be sad for them than grind another AQ opening. |
| 00:47.59 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: grind another Isle opening instead |
| 00:48.21 | foxlit | I mean, heck, the only change is that they made it max-level content |
| 00:48.27 | Iriel | Aiiane: I loved dungeon keeper, I think it'd be a solid sort of mechanic as part of a larger player-supported content system |
| 00:48.38 | Iriel | My comment wasn't to focus on the grind |
| 00:48.47 | foxlit | And perhaps released steps a bit more gradually than the Gong of Failure |
| 00:48.50 | Iriel | more that there was an event everyone was working towards, with lasting consequence |
| 00:49.28 | Iriel | But I think to be successful one needs a far more "automatically generated" world than WoW |
| 00:49.45 | Iriel | and we've got years before that'll be a reality, I suspect |
| 00:50.24 | Aiiane | Planetside was fairly decently designed, but I think its downfall was that there was no real sense of going anywhere |
| 00:50.43 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, I feel like that is an optimistic estimate ;) |
| 00:51.51 | NightHawkTheSane | not to derail this excellent conversation.. but i found this hilarious: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/01/10/today_in_time_sensitive_ad_cam |
| 00:52.42 | Aiiane | ...palms, too |
| 00:53.30 | AbsolutRayne_ | What does it mean with a 75 SV Hunter badly out DPSes a 79 Rogue? |
| 00:54.15 | Aiiane | either the hunter is insanely good |
| 00:54.21 | Aiiane | or more likely, the rogue f-ing fails |
| 00:55.43 | AbsolutRayne_ | Beat this Rogue, 8% overall. Out DPSed him on every fight but onw |
| 00:55.54 | AbsolutRayne_ | which he basically tied me on, being the last boss of DTK |
| 00:58.39 | Lopeppeppy | AbsolutRayne_, incoming feedback about your UI. |
| 00:58.50 | AbsolutRayne_ | Lopeppeppy: D: |
| 00:58.50 | foxlit | (duck!) |
| 00:59.00 | AbsolutRayne_ | I CAN EASILY AVOID! |
| 00:59.03 | mikma | iriel: was dungeon keeper the one with mistresses spanking slaves? |
| 00:59.58 | Lopeppeppy | mikma -- yes. |
| 01:00.13 | mikma | in that case: WOOHOO! it was a great game! |
| 01:00.40 | Iriel | mikma: that's the one |
| 01:01.51 | Thunder_Child | need an upgraded version of that game |
| 01:02.00 | Thunder_Child | or updated* |
| 01:02.18 | Iriel | I think I read somewhere that there's a company trying to make an MMO based upon it |
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| 01:04.35 | Lopeppeppy | I really wish it played on XP or Vista... I love DK. |
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| 01:06.20 | Iriel | I find Dwarf Fortress scratches some of the same itches |
| 01:06.51 | Iriel | though it's a bit impenetrable at times |
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| 01:11.06 | Taroven | Hmm... is there a way to detect which of the default interface bars are being used? |
| 01:12.42 | Taroven | More specifically, if I want to test whether MultiBarBottomRight is currently being shown, how would I do that? |
| 01:13.13 | Syzgyn | IsShown()? |
| 01:13.36 | Taroven | Thanks. X.x;; |
| 01:14.36 | Iriel | There's a method to get the bar preferences too for those 4 |
| 01:15.08 | Taroven | Do tell? |
| 01:15.36 | foxlit | meh, texture corruption in wow isn't fun |
| 01:15.56 | foxlit | though it does seem to have a life of its own |
| 01:15.58 | Taroven | I've got a feeling IsShown() will work fine for my purposes, but I <3 alternatives |
| 01:16.48 | Taroven | foxlit: Heh, my hunter alt's beard (and his gorilla...) are both translucent right now. And a lot of other random things. |
| 01:16.53 | Iriel | GetActionBarToggles? |
| 01:17.12 | Taroven | PERFECT! |
| 01:17.18 | Taroven | Thanks Iriel. |
| 01:17.37 | kd3 | wow... I fail |
| 01:17.53 | kd3 | was always wondering why compiling something didn't use all four cores... |
| 01:17.59 | kd3 | passing -j4 would've probably helped |
| 01:18.28 | Taroven | Okay, clearing cache did nothing about the translucency thing... -.- |
| 01:18.41 | kd3 | Taroven, exit out and run the repair tool |
| 01:18.54 | kd3 | you'll probably want to defrag too |
| 01:19.15 | Taroven | Yeah, about to. |
| 01:19.26 | AbsolutRayne | Would anyone be interested in an account with FigurePrints to get their Character made? I got drawn for one but I dont have the cash :/ |
| 01:20.54 | Taroven | That's pretty awesome, but I don't either. >.> |
| 01:21.04 | Lopeppeppy | I only wish I did. |
| 01:21.41 | Iriel | I might, ish.. |
| 01:22.19 | Iriel | though none of my chars are in printable shape 8-( |
| 01:22.25 | Amarande | foxlit: it was really fun in Guild Wars |
| 01:22.40 | Amarande | when you'd end up with objects appearing as giant white boxes |
| 01:23.13 | Taroven | So, question about GetActionBarToggles. Would there be an easier way of handling anchoring than a mess of if/else statements for each combination of settings? |
| 01:23.17 | foxlit | Am relatively concerned for my graphics card |
| 01:23.30 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/Icy.avi << fear my Icy Touch |
| 01:23.45 | Taroven | Actually, scrap that, just answered my own question. |
| 01:23.48 | Iriel | Encode the 4 values into a string and make a table |
| 01:24.16 | Taroven | Got an example? |
| 01:24.29 | Taroven | (I suck with tables) |
| 01:26.02 | Taroven | I might seriously be able to clear out 3/4 of this code if all this works. =P |
| 01:26.42 | Iriel | it really depends what the resulting logic looks like |
| 01:27.08 | foxlit | http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1979/icyaw9.jpg << there, fun |
| 01:27.33 | Taroven | *shrug* Not really gonna worry about it. If/else statements -- LMAO foxlit -- will do. |
| 01:27.51 | Iriel | foxlit: the good news is that that's PROBABLY a driver issue |
| 01:27.59 | Taroven | Wall of Text crits you for over 9000? |
| 01:28.18 | Iriel | Taroven: well, if you've got essentially 16 different if/else's then a table is fairly easy |
| 01:28.37 | Iriel | Taroven: if it's more complex than that then it might not be the right choice |
| 01:28.37 | foxlit | If only it crit for over 9000 :) |
| 01:28.38 | Taroven | That'd be about how I'll be doing it. |
| 01:28.59 | foxlit | Tested against latest two WHQL releases, unfortunately |
| 01:29.28 | Taroven | Not gonna make it very complex. Just adjusting anchoring depending on which bars are being shown. |
| 01:29.51 | End | huh |
| 01:30.06 | End | I didn't know arkinventory had a pet/mount "bag" |
| 01:30.25 | foxlit | It's relatively unpredictable, and forcing WoW to reset graphics (minimizing / gxrestart) makes it go away for good chunks of time |
| 01:30.51 | Iriel | Taroven: http://wow.pastey.net/106003 |
| 01:31.10 | Taroven | Repair done, still got translucent hair all over the place. o.0 |
| 01:31.15 | Iriel | foxlit: How's its temperature? |
| 01:31.40 | foxlit | 80c |
| 01:32.21 | Taroven | Yikes fox. |
| 01:32.22 | foxlit | Max is supposingly 105c |
| 01:32.42 | Taroven | My card runs around 40c. |
| 01:33.02 | Taroven | You could fry eggs on yours. |
| 01:33.05 | foxlit | My CPU runs hotter than that |
| 01:33.31 | Taroven | You SURE that's in deg C? |
| 01:33.49 | foxlit | yes |
| 01:34.08 | Lopeppeppy | Get some fans, man.' |
| 01:34.32 | Taroven | Iriel, think I'll stick with if/else. Little easier for me to debug. =P |
| 01:35.16 | foxlit | I don't think it's an issue |
| 01:35.28 | foxlit | Nor would fans help |
| 01:35.34 | Taroven | If anything is running hot enough to boil water, it's an issue. |
| 01:35.37 | foxlit | It's this card: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9800_gtx_plus_us.html |
| 01:35.55 | foxlit | Psst, it's 20 degrees below water-boiling temperature :) |
| 01:36.11 | Taroven | Close enough. =P |
| 01:37.28 | foxlit | What's your 40C card? :) |
| 01:38.23 | Taroven | ATI Radeon 4870 512mb, fan set to 40% |
| 01:38.37 | Taroven | (At max load no less =P) |
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| 01:39.00 | Thunder_Child | i have 55c on my card with fans at 100% |
| 01:39.37 | Taroven | My card's fan is crazy loud at max, heh. Like, hear-it-downstairs-through-a-closed-door loud. |
| 01:40.05 | Taroven | Keeps the card a little very near room temp though if I do. =P |
| 01:40.06 | Iriel | My GPU is at 49 deg |
| 01:40.27 | Iriel | 8800 GT |
| 01:41.05 | Thunder_Child | i have the X version of that |
| 01:41.49 | foxlit | I have a feeling something throttles the fan |
| 01:42.01 | Olorin | TC that card is fine up to about 105c where it maxes out, not suggesting it should be anywhere near that but its able to run up that high |
| 01:42.10 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, pick up riva tuner |
| 01:42.36 | foxlit | Since it's way louder during startup until its own driver is loaded |
| 01:42.51 | Thunder_Child | Olorin, ya, but i have enough crap in my computer that i dont want it anywhere near there. though i do manage to keep my cpu at ~30c |
| 01:42.55 | Olorin | mine isnt at any damn 'c since im still waiting for evga to return the damn thing to me |
| 01:43.17 | foxlit | So either its driver thinks that's a reasonable operating temperature, or someone deserves to be whacked over the head. |
| 01:43.30 | Taroven | foxlit: You should have a fan control in the nvidia control panel. |
| 01:43.37 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, go get riva tuner and set it yourself |
| 01:43.44 | Taroven | Or riva tuner, yeah. |
| 01:43.51 | Thunder_Child | Taroven, the nvidia controll pannel blows chunks |
| 01:43.56 | Taroven | Ah. |
| 01:43.58 | Thunder_Child | control* |
| 01:43.58 | foxlit | nvidia CP fails. Majorly. |
| 01:44.00 | Taroven | ATI's isn't so bad. |
| 01:44.10 | Taroven | Still prefer Tray Tools though. |
| 01:44.16 | foxlit | (well, as far as fan control is concerned -- every input is invalid input) |
| 01:44.22 | Taroven | Ick. |
| 01:44.29 | Olorin | one thing I did find out after having swapped the 8800gtx for my old ati x850 is that i had actually seating the cpu fine, was the heat flowing from the gpu to the cpu that was making it so hot |
| 01:44.34 | Iriel | Is the fan on the card actually running?? |
| 01:45.21 | Olorin | seated* |
| 01:46.14 | Iriel | I think the card in my mac is at about 32 degrees, but it's hard to tell |
| 01:46.32 | foxlit | Iriel: go watch a vimeo video, your fans will flare up. |
| 01:47.01 | kd3 | meh, my 8600 gt's "idling" at 42c |
| 01:47.20 | Iriel | iStat isn't reporting temps for my video cards |
| 01:47.29 | Iriel | so I'm guessing from the aggregate expansion slot temp |
| 01:47.37 | foxlit | GPU diode: 54C |
| 01:47.41 | foxlit | and that's doing basically nothing |
| 01:47.44 | foxlit | (then again, MBP) |
| 01:47.57 | Iriel | This is a MP |
| 01:48.06 | Iriel | with 2 video cards in |
| 01:48.07 | Corrodias | hmmm, i don't know where to find temperature in the new stupid nvidia control panel |
| 01:48.27 | foxlit | Corrodias: you can't anymore |
| 01:48.27 | Iriel | Corrodias: Open up 'nvida monitor' then expand the bottom section with the confusing [--->] button |
| 01:48.37 | foxlit | Not if you've updated the driver in the last... oh, several months |
| 01:48.38 | Corrodias | nvidia monitor? i'm not familiar with that |
| 01:48.41 | foxlit | It's now a separate utility |
| 01:48.46 | kd3 | `nvidia-settings` --> gpu-# -> thermal monitor? |
| 01:48.49 | Olorin | isint it part of their damn tuneup thing? |
| 01:48.57 | kd3 | or is it somewhere stupid on windows? |
| 01:49.08 | Iriel | Sorry, 'NVIDIA MonitorView' |
| 01:49.11 | Iriel | they needed more words |
| 01:49.19 | Corrodias | why they felt the need to make things more obtuse i cannot imagine |
| 01:49.58 | Iriel | "Launch NVMonitor" is the option I used |
| 01:50.06 | Iriel | It's under "Performance" in advanced settings in NVIDIA Control Panel |
| 01:51.47 | Corrodias | i don't think i have that :| |
| 01:52.19 | Thunder_Child | that to fails |
| 01:52.24 | Thunder_Child | too* |
| 01:52.41 | Olorin | I think you have to turn on advanced mode and install the nvtune software to get temps, try http://www.lavalys.com/products/download.php?ps=UE&dlid=36&lang=en |
| 01:52.56 | Iriel | Ah, I have NVTune installed, that'd be why |
| 01:53.09 | Thunder_Child | i use everst for temp monitoring |
| 01:53.18 | Thunder_Child | everest* |
| 01:53.18 | Olorin | thats a good trial version of everest but it might get gpu temps |
| 01:53.32 | Tekkub | hehe, I has 44444g |
| 01:55.43 | Taroven | XD |
| 01:57.11 | Wobin | wtf MS? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932044 |
| 01:58.14 | kd3 | what the hell kind of bug is that? |
| 01:58.39 | Olorin | gotta wonder what hell their code is doing to make difference if odd /even number of characters lol |
| 01:59.30 | Lopeppeppy | Sexy bug! |
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| 02:01.04 | Wobin | also, zomg http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107584/Loner-built-network-tunnels-rubbish-home-dies-getting-lost-labyrinth.html |
| 02:01.12 | Wobin | The url says it all =P |
| 02:01.21 | AbsolutRayne | blah |
| 02:03.06 | Olorin | I like the bit 'There are no suspicious circumstances.' erm ya cause everone does that sort of thing |
| 02:04.27 | Corrodias | suspicious, not unusual |
| 02:05.23 | Lopeppeppy | Suspicious = someone else killing him. |
| 02:05.35 | Lopeppeppy | Damn weird = dying in your own home 'cause you got lost. |
| 02:05.45 | Corrodias | pretty sad, too |
| 02:06.50 | foxlit | anyway, there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with the fan or the fan control |
| 02:07.05 | foxlit | The driver simply holds the temperature at around 70-80 |
| 02:07.26 | foxlit | Using around 50% of the max fan speed while doing that |
| 02:08.38 | Corrodias | my 7800GT has the "temperature warning" set at like 110 C |
| 02:08.47 | Corrodias | so i think these are pretty resilient to temperature |
| 02:09.00 | foxlit | Those chips self-throttle in response to temperature, anyway |
| 02:10.59 | Taroven | http://wow.pastey.net/106006 - Someone please gimme a sanity check, it's been a long day. |
| 02:11.23 | Corrodias | nope, you've lost it |
| 02:11.44 | Taroven | Woot! |
| 02:12.02 | Taroven | Any if/else logic failure there? |
| 02:12.15 | Corrodias | bottomleftstate seems to be pointless |
| 02:12.40 | Corrodias | if not bottomrightstate, then b3:SetPoint("BOTTOMLEFT",a1,"TOPLEFT",0,3); is going to get executed anyway at the end |
| 02:13.06 | foxlit | a1, b1 |
| 02:13.08 | Corrodias | regardless of whether "bottomLeftState and not bottomRightState" |
| 02:13.41 | Taroven | Hmm... |
| 02:13.52 | Xinhuan | what he's saying is, line 4 is redundant, because either line 7 or line 9 will get executed |
| 02:14.01 | Xinhuan | (and overwrite line 4) |
| 02:14.19 | Xinhuan | so your logic is definitely flawed |
| 02:14.25 | Taroven | http://wow.pastey.net/106007 any better? |
| 02:14.30 | Corrodias | unless you intentionally were redundant :) |
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| 02:15.04 | Corrodias | the issue does not seem to have been resolved |
| 02:15.16 | Corrodias | oh, i missed a word |
| 02:15.27 | Xinhuan | you can remove the space between "else if" |
| 02:15.50 | Taroven | heh, told ya I'm tired. =P |
| 02:16.08 | Xinhuan | because if you don't, you are missing a "end" |
| 02:16.13 | Taroven | lemme throw in the locals so you can see what's going on better... |
| 02:16.14 | kd3 | rofl; http://xyzzyb.com/assets/2008/3/30/science.jpg |
| 02:16.43 | Taroven | Reload it |
| 02:16.45 | Corrodias | one of my favorite images, that |
| 02:16.50 | foxlit | hey, that portal has a shadow |
| 02:16.50 | foxlit | nerf |
| 02:16.54 | Taroven | LOL |
| 02:17.59 | Xinhuan | so whats the purpose |
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| 02:18.28 | Taroven | Trying to anchor a bar depending on if others are being used. |
| 02:19.06 | Xinhuan | sounds about right, other than the fact that anchroing a vertical bar to a horizontal one isn't very useful |
| 02:19.45 | Taroven | There's code a little later on to change the orientation. =P |
| 02:20.14 | Taroven | What I'm trying to do is get the bar to anchor to the main actionbar if neither bottomleft or bottomright are being used. |
| 02:20.33 | Taroven | Anchor to bottomleft if it's there and bottomright is not, and otherwise anchor to bottomright. |
| 02:20.50 | Taroven | ...I could totally reorder that to make more sense, come to think of it. |
| 02:21.01 | Xinhuan | don't bother |
| 02:21.04 | Xinhuan | just test the damn code |
| 02:21.06 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 02:21.15 | Taroven | Heh, it's not quite testable |
| 02:21.27 | Xinhuan | yes it is, just comment out everything else |
| 02:21.56 | Xinhuan | when writing code, test out every new code section before adding even more |
| 02:22.26 | Taroven | http://wow.pastey.net/106010 - Much easier. |
| 02:22.43 | Taroven | (Long as I get my tabs in check) |
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| 02:24.44 | Xinhuan | why are you writing this addon ;p |
| 02:25.33 | Spellbinder | omg |
| 02:25.38 | Taroven | I don't use enough of BT4/Dominos features for using them to make sense. |
| 02:26.09 | Spellbinder | ppl ask me why do you write this script etc, because it amuses me ofc |
| 02:26.21 | Taroven | So, figured I'd make my own based off rActionBarStyler. |
| 02:26.56 | Taroven | (Which only reanchors and modifies the default frames, no config, no savedvars, nothing to really set up) |
| 02:27.10 | Spellbinder | like i wanted a note pad and a calculator addon, there are allready some out but i want to do my own, just to see if i can and it amuses me |
| 02:27.25 | Taroven | Yup Spellbinder. =P |
| 02:27.58 | Taroven | My oUF layout is almost perfect for me, just wanted a no-frills actionbar addon with the same kind of customization. |
| 02:28.12 | Spellbinder | :) |
| 02:28.25 | Spellbinder | and you allways learn something while doing stuff |
| 02:30.23 | Taroven | http://wow.pastey.net/106011 for final anchoring code. |
| 02:30.49 | Taroven | Need to get add some extras before it's usable, but that's the basic bars. |
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| 02:52.36 | BOSPUS | gn |
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| 03:00.59 | kd3 | geez... has it been 40 years since the earthrise picture? |
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| 03:01.28 | Olorin | anyone ever tried to translate the blurb when opposing faction is talking? yup im bored lol |
| 03:01.47 | kd3 | explicitly defined by the ToU as a violation of the game rules |
| 03:02.08 | Thunder_Child | but yes, it has been done |
| 03:02.21 | Thunder_Child | or else no one would understand kek |
| 03:02.28 | End | bur |
| 03:03.31 | Olorin | ah ok i presumed so, mostly curious, why i dunno cause i rarely wanna read what horde type let alone allience lol |
| 03:06.34 | Corrodias | attempts have been made, with varying degrees of success, to translate or get around the language filter, but they're quashed by technical effects if necessary. |
| 03:09.17 | Lopeppeppy | And ban sticks wherever they reach. :) |
| 03:10.02 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN everypeople. |
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| 03:15.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Random question. Is the same CLEU event guaranteed to have the same timestamp across all clients that see it? |
| 03:16.45 | Tekkub | where is the timestamp generated? |
| 03:21.52 | NightHawkTheSane | if i knew that, i wouldn't have asked the question... |
| 03:22.05 | Tewan | Hey Thrae, are you planning to update Tinytip anymore? |
| 03:25.37 | Tewan | gonna give bigred one more try. |
| 03:30.50 | Thunder_Child | bah, the only av out for win 7 costs |
| 03:32.33 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 03:32.46 | Amarande | you know, there's one feature that just occurred to me that Guild Wars has that WoW really ought to |
| 03:33.21 | Amarande | You can invite someone who's in another group, and the groups will be merged as long as the total size isn't too big |
| 03:33.30 | AbsolutRayne | blah |
| 03:33.59 | Thunder_Child | oh..nvm, kapersky came out with a beta just for 7 thats free...how nice |
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| 03:42.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i kaperskied your mom |
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| 03:47.43 | Thunder_Child | wtf, the beta key for kapersky says the owner is the russian federation |
| 03:48.48 | Olorin | version 7 is old |
| 03:49.11 | Olorin | oh nm |
| 03:50.23 | Tekkub | god this guild is fucking auto-greet auto-grats hell |
| 03:51.00 | Tekkub | 5 people saying EXACTLY the same thing within a few seconds of the event *really* makes it seem like they might have cared |
| 03:55.29 | Thunder_Child | http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/win7kapersky.jpg seriously, wtf |
| 03:55.47 | Tekkub | seriously, ttf |
| 03:56.12 | Olorin | TC wierd, I did beta for 2009 version and they never had that, just had Kaspersky Customer |
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| 04:01.05 | Taroven | Urgh... |
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| 04:01.16 | Taroven | So close to perfecting these actionbars |
| 04:01.30 | Taroven | http://wow.pastey.net/106020 |
| 04:01.51 | Taroven | Problem: Pet bar isn't anchoring. x.x |
| 04:02.02 | Taroven | Or scaling. Everything else works. |
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| 04:02.44 | Olorin | I presume when Titansteel helm gets socket added after patch it will affect already made items? |
| 04:02.46 | Taroven | ...and also isn't clickable |
| 04:03.06 | Taroven | I'd assume so Olorin. It'll prolly just add in the socket without killing the current one. |
| 04:03.51 | Taroven | Iriel: Any ideas? >.>;; |
| 04:09.12 | Olorin | Taroven might be talking outta my other mouth but can you reference the Multibar like that or is it just referincing a string |
| 04:09.37 | Iriel | Taroven: you might want to check what the pet bar anchors itself to |
| 04:09.40 | Taroven | Works fine for every other bar I'm doing that with. =P |
| 04:09.49 | Iriel | Taroven: I think it gets re-anchored under some circumstances |
| 04:09.54 | Olorin | ok cool to know since im doing somthing similar |
| 04:10.05 | Taroven | Hm. |
| 04:10.25 | Taroven | Gonna try doing it a little differently. |
| 04:14.19 | Taroven | I figure, I'm anchoring the shapeshiftbar the exact same way, so instead of setting each button I'll set the first only and see what happens. |
| 04:15.00 | Taroven | (Haven't tested shapeshift yet) |
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| 04:31.32 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, offhand do you know where i can post chrome errors? |
| 04:31.48 | Tekkub | no |
| 04:32.13 | Tekkub | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/list |
| 04:32.20 | Tekkub | *only* 2665 in there |
| 04:32.21 | Thunder_Child | thanks |
| 04:33.44 | Thunder_Child | and none have to do with what i am posting |
| 04:33.55 | Thunder_Child | though i am not sure if it is them or kaspersky |
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| 04:40.52 | Taroven | Alright, so my computer just crashed and nuked my account savedvars, and the savedvars on my test hunter. -.- |
| 04:41.27 | Taroven | BUT I fixed the anchoring issue, just hardcoded instead of all the dynamic anchoring. |
| 04:43.28 | Corrodias | beautiful. |
| 04:44.03 | Taroven | With that, time to rebuild my UI from the ground up... and back it up when I'm done. >.>;; |
| 04:45.38 | Tekkub | TC, what's the biggest number you can think of? |
| 04:45.53 | Taroven | Also fixed my transparent beard issue... had adaptive AA enabled for some reason. =P |
| 04:45.54 | Thunder_Child | googleplex |
| 04:46.05 | Tekkub | multiply that by 8 |
| 04:46.10 | Tekkub | that's how much RAM you need |
| 04:46.25 | Thunder_Child | sounds about right |
| 04:46.37 | Thunder_Child | i idle at 3gb use |
| 04:47.10 | Thunder_Child | granted 'idle' means having a bunch of open programs |
| 04:48.12 | Tekkub | idle? fuck |
| 04:48.29 | Tekkub | what are you running, Photoship? |
| 04:48.54 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 04:48.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i photoshipped your mo m |
| 04:50.13 | Thunder_Child | hah Tekkub, photoship..... |
| 04:50.29 | Tekkub | you slow |
| 04:50.37 | Thunder_Child | no, i'm playing css |
| 04:50.57 | Tekkub | I'm playing html! |
| 04:51.27 | Thunder_Child | counter-strike source nublet |
| 04:51.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm playing your mom! |
| 04:51.50 | Thunder_Child | s/e s/e: s/ |
| 05:13.45 | Tekkub | right, because I play stupid shooter games :P |
| 05:20.29 | Thunder_Child | if you dont, you should |
| 05:26.36 | Tekkub | fuck no |
| 05:26.41 | Tekkub | I hate games like that |
| 05:26.52 | Tekkub | they're just PvP, and there's reasons I don't like PvP |
| 05:27.06 | Tekkub | now, Myst type games, THOSE are worth playing |
| 05:30.32 | Thunder_Child | some are PvE |
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| 05:38.36 | Tekkub | It's still PvP, even if it's a computer you're fighting against |
| 05:38.51 | Tekkub | PvNPC |
| 05:40.33 | Thunder_Child | no, i said PvE..playing with others |
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| 05:42.33 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: So WSG, AV, and AB are PVE? :) |
| 05:43.25 | Thunder_Child | no...playing with others against the comp |
| 05:43.34 | Thunder_Child | e.g. Left4Dead |
| 05:43.48 | Torhal | Ah |
| 05:59.34 | Corrodias | i have that game. haven't played it yet. |
| 06:00.22 | Thunder_Child | took me less than 4 hours of it to get tired |
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| 06:31.05 | Wobin | http://www.teefury.com/ |
| 06:31.08 | Wobin | is my new crack |
| 06:31.16 | Wobin | I've already bought one tshirt from there |
| 06:31.20 | Wobin | and now I want to get this one too |
| 06:33.00 | Thunder_Child | i prefer tshirthell.com myself |
| 06:33.48 | Wobin | I already bought http://www.teefury.com/archive/255/Animal%20Gravity |
| 06:33.51 | Wobin | now I want this one too |
| 06:34.19 | Olorin | gotta love it, 1 healer in group and they get on the mammouth in the zul'drak areana event LOL |
| 06:36.42 | Tewan | Is there any way to stretch video across two monitors? |
| 06:37.02 | Olorin | dual-head graphics card? |
| 06:37.28 | Tewan | there |
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| 06:43.13 | Thunder_Child | Tewan, yes... |
| 06:43.26 | Thunder_Child | but i am not sure exactly what you mean |
| 06:43.52 | Thunder_Child | both nvidia and ani have that aspect built into their software |
| 06:43.56 | Thunder_Child | ati* |
| 06:44.33 | Olorin | you just extend the desktop on to the second screen if you have them both connected tot the same card |
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| 06:49.31 | Sabaren | hi |
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| 06:52.38 | Olorin | greetings |
| 06:53.07 | Sabaren | hello |
| 06:53.20 | Sabaren | anyone know about texture replacement with .blps? |
| 06:53.33 | Arrowmaster | actually thats an OS feature, you can use multiple monitors with the generic vga drivers and two completely different cards |
| 06:54.03 | Thunder_Child | ~asktoask |
| 06:54.03 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 06:54.40 | Olorin | what textures are you trying to replace? |
| 06:54.49 | |Jelly| | Is there a way that I could make a button that when pressed adds text to the ChatFrameEditBox? (Not completely change like :SetText() does AFAIK but add to already existing text there) |
| 06:55.00 | Sabaren | UI-TargetingFrame-BarFill, it replaces the nameplates with a texture |
| 06:55.29 | Sabaren | i downloaded a set of .blp that works, but when i edit the TGA in photoshop and redo it, convert to BLP, neutral mobs show up green. enemies show up black |
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| 06:56.58 | Olorin | Jelly why not do GetText and .. thenm? |
| 06:57.32 | Gngsk | Sabaren, did you keep the dimensions the same? |
| 06:57.33 | |Jelly| | I suppose that would work. Just :GetText and then add my own to the end of it and re SetText it? |
| 06:57.36 | Sabaren | yes |
| 06:57.50 | Olorin | Jelly dont see why not |
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| 06:57.53 | Sabaren | i even used the template TGA that came with it, kept the alpha channel the same just replaced the RGB channel |
| 06:57.58 | |Jelly| | kk. That should work. |
| 06:58.00 | Olorin | would have to do nil check but thats all |
| 06:58.01 | |Jelly| | Thanks :) |
| 06:58.21 | Sabaren | it also came with Nameplate-Boreder.blp and Nameplate-Glow.blp but i wouldn't think there is some hidden synergy since i kept demensions same |
| 06:58.31 | Sabaren | im wondering if my BLP converter is fubar |
| 06:58.51 | blorbhammer | no, fubar is fubar |
| 06:58.58 | Sabaren | speaking of |
| 06:59.10 | Sabaren | what mod do people use to replace their fubar/titan with black and white text |
| 07:00.24 | blorbhammer | could be custom |
| 07:01.12 | AbsolutRayne | @.@ |
| 07:01.29 | AbsolutRayne | Does SLDT not have a Profile option? |
| 07:01.48 | AbsolutRayne | It still continues to not want to install right in my Compilation... |
| 07:04.15 | Sabaren | whoa yeah i think my BLP converter is really fubar |
| 07:04.31 | Sabaren | this texture works, i took it out and reconverted the template file they had, and it breaks |
| 07:06.12 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15439 |
| 07:07.44 | Sabaren | thanks i was looking for that earlier |
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| 07:22.52 | Wobin | O.O |
| 07:22.53 | Wobin | http://buttonsformouse.blogspot.com/2008/12/mandelbrot-fractal-bear.html |
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| 07:27.34 | Thunder_Child | that is NOT a fractal bear |
| 07:29.14 | Wobin | by definition it kinda is |
| 07:29.33 | Wobin | A fractal is generally "a rough or fragmented geometric shape that can be split into parts, each of which is (at least approximately) a reduced-size copy of the whole," |
| 07:30.08 | Wobin | from wikipedia |
| 07:30.10 | Thunder_Child | yours however says mandelbrot which is a mathematical fractal formula |
| 07:30.15 | Thunder_Child | of sorts |
| 07:31.02 | Thunder_Child | and seeing as the reduced size bears have no lower body it does not work |
| 07:31.47 | Wobin | Indeed, Thunder_Child, you have a way of destroying the dreams of people =P |
| 07:32.00 | Thunder_Child | yes Wobin, i am rather good at it |
| 07:32.29 | Wobin | you missed the "at least approximately" |
| 07:33.03 | Thunder_Child | es meaning not exact, however the margin of error is not MISSING HALF OF THE WHOLE |
| 07:33.10 | Thunder_Child | yes* |
| 07:35.02 | Wobin | also |
| 07:35.10 | Wobin | the bears -name- is mandlebrot |
| 07:35.21 | Wobin | nothing was said about it -being- a mandlebrot set |
| 07:35.39 | Wobin | also |
| 07:35.54 | Wobin | where is the limit stated for the margin of error? |
| 07:36.15 | Thunder_Child | "mandelbrot-fractal-bear.html" |
| 07:36.26 | Wobin | which is a url |
| 07:36.36 | Wobin | Continuing my mutant teddy bear theme, a gift for my brother: the fractal bear. |
| 07:36.36 | Wobin | His name is Mandelbrot. |
| 07:36.40 | Thunder_Child | the stated limit is common sense |
| 07:36.45 | Wobin | pft |
| 07:36.51 | Wobin | common sense, isn't. |
| 07:37.13 | Wobin | common sense states that that is a decent fractal bear |
| 07:37.26 | Wobin | for all available examples of such bears |
| 07:37.55 | Wobin | ie, don't complain about the terminiology unless you're going to do better =P |
| 07:38.06 | Wobin | that's what common sense will prevail with =P |
| 07:38.57 | Wobin | in any case |
| 07:39.13 | Wobin | the fractal copies have at least 2/3rds of the bear in them |
| 07:39.18 | Wobin | which is enough |
| 07:41.52 | Thunder_Child | 50% |
| 07:41.57 | Thunder_Child | not 2/3rds |
| 07:42.16 | Wobin | The legs alone do not make 50% of the bear |
| 07:42.24 | Wobin | the copies have head arms and torso |
| 07:42.30 | Thunder_Child | half a torso |
| 07:42.35 | Wobin | not so |
| 07:42.41 | Thunder_Child | so so |
| 07:42.50 | Wobin | nuh -uh- |
| 07:43.07 | Wobin | in other news |
| 07:43.13 | Wobin | I can't believe they made a TV series: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viva_Pi%C3%B1ata_(TV_series) |
| 07:44.15 | |Jelly| | So making a button with the label "æ" and the like is a no-go? :\ |
| 07:44.36 | Sabaren | ? |
| 07:45.00 | Sabaren | are you talking about a macro... |
| 07:45.15 | Thunder_Child | log live the pinata Wobin? |
| 07:45.23 | |Jelly| | <Button name="CMapBut1" inherits="UIPanelButtonTemplate" text="lol"> Creates a button with "lol" in it however, <Button name="CMapBut1" inherits="UIPanelButtonTemplate" text="æ"> all of the sudden keeps things from working. |
| 07:45.34 | Thunder_Child | s/log/long/ |
| 07:57.29 | Arrowmaster | |Jelly|: sounds like an encoding problem, make sure your editor is outputing utf8 |
| 07:59.22 | |Jelly| | SciTE :( |
| 08:01.14 | |Jelly| | â gives the same results |
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| 08:02.05 | |Jelly| | Same with é |
| 08:04.30 | |Jelly| | It'll (print("é") with no problems. |
| 08:04.51 | |Jelly| | But heaven forbid it lets me make it a button! |
| 08:06.50 | |Jelly| | Can't make it a regular lable either. |
| 08:14.38 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.52 | Olorin | Jelly is ScITE just a hgihlighting editor or a full development editor? |
| 08:19.03 | Tekkub | "\233| |
| 08:19.13 | Tekkub | escaping is usually better than utf-8 |
| 08:19.22 | Tekkub | s/|/"/ |
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| 08:34.42 | OneLove | Can I get some help from someone? Having trouble writing an addon. |
| 08:36.08 | Olorin | ask away if someone can help they usually will |
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| 08:40.03 | OneLove | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20053 contains my direct question. I'm having trouble with the SendChatMessage output appearing twice in game |
| 08:41.21 | Olorin | thats because lots of events get triggered multiple times |
| 08:43.53 | OneLove | Well I have no idea how to only trigger it once -_- |
| 08:44.40 | Olorin | also you really dont need all those nested if statements use if arg1==x and arg2 == y |
| 08:45.20 | OneLove | yeah i have it like that right now, i was hoping that would fix it |
| 08:45.21 | Olorin | you cant control how many times the game engine triggers an event |
| 08:45.42 | OneLove | I read about an event handler that would maybe fix it but i didn't understand it |
| 08:46.46 | Olorin | for your example you MAY have no other alternative but to have a cooloff period where you check the time since last triggered... |
| 08:46.55 | Mike-N-Go | What file types are allowed for upload of images to addons? |
| 08:47.13 | Olorin | i suspect theres better way of doing it than timing, maybee someone else can advise better than i can |
| 08:47.43 | Olorin | mike you mean ingame or on the website? |
| 08:47.57 | Mike-N-Go | To the site. |
| 08:48.05 | Mike-N-Go | It is not allowing me to upload jpeg. |
| 08:48.13 | Olorin | shrugs....anything else i can help you with?? lol |
| 08:48.37 | Olorin | .jpeg or .jpg? |
| 08:50.13 | Mike-N-Go | jpeg |
| 08:52.06 | Olorin | not sure what the server runs on, as to whether it needs the name to be .jpg .gif should be suitable for the site also |
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| 08:56.23 | jackie | hi is there any way to use varibles local to another add on |
| 08:56.43 | jackie | like if my addon is dependent on it |
| 08:57.03 | Mike-N-Go | A local variable is only accessible in the chunk/block it is in. |
| 08:57.24 | Mike-N-Go | You would need a global for that. |
| 08:58.59 | Sabaren | is there a trick to making blip borders? cause mine are doing this strobe light effect |
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| 09:02.00 | jackie | is there any way I can add the other addon as a header file, |
| 09:02.44 | Olorin | jackie you can set addon dependancies |
| 09:03.52 | Olorin | i think that does affect the load order to make sure your variables are populated by addon1 before addon2 loads but you might hhave to use "Variables Loaded" |
| 09:04.06 | Olorin | event that is |
| 09:05.23 | jackie | alright I'll try |
| 09:05.26 | Mike-N-Go | Or you can put them in the same addon folder and embed them into each other. |
| 09:05.28 | Arrowmaster | if you arent modifing the other addon, then no you cannot access any local variables |
| 09:05.29 | Olorin | jackie if you dont specify a variable as local it will be a global variable thats usable in another addon, not great practice but ive done it a couple of times |
| 09:05.54 | Arrowmaster | locals are file level anyway, not addon |
| 09:05.57 | Mike-N-Go | The key to globals is to use something that another addon would not use. |
| 09:06.09 | Arrowmaster | so if its still a local, putting both files in the same addon wont help |
| 09:06.12 | jackie | thing is the other addon' is not mine |
| 09:06.28 | jackie | so I'm sceptical about changing thier stuff |
| 09:06.44 | Mike-N-Go | IE: If your mod is called MyUberMod, you could name a global: MUM_SomeVar |
| 09:07.21 | Arrowmaster | i stick to the only 2 globals per mod belief |
| 09:08.18 | Mike-N-Go | Arrowmaster: Yah, have 'em be tables. |
| 09:09.39 | jackie | how bout, if I need to use a function from another addon' but it has been declared local over there by the other author |
| 09:09.54 | Olorin | then you cant reference it |
| 09:10.04 | Tekkub | how bout, if you don't like their addon rewrite it |
| 09:10.10 | Olorin | lol |
| 09:10.15 | jackie | lol |
| 09:10.16 | Tekkub | addons tinkering with other addons is generally a bad idea |
| 09:10.16 | Mike-N-Go | jackie: It happens all the time. First, review the documentation of the mod. If there is not something that denies you from modifying and redistributing it, you may at will. |
| 09:10.46 | jackie | well I thats what I've been looking for |
| 09:10.47 | jackie | haha |
| 09:10.51 | jackie | I think* |
| 09:11.02 | Mike-N-Go | Just change the name of the addon, and give the original author credit "Thanks to XAuthor for making the mod that inspired this mod." |
| 09:11.41 | Olorin | hmm that a bit unethical if your goign to continue using the bulk of their code too |
| 09:11.42 | Mike-N-Go | If there is nothing that says you cannot use the mod in this way, I see no problem with doing this. |
| 09:12.00 | Mike-N-Go | What is wrong with giving credit and using there code? |
| 09:12.03 | jackie | I've got quite a bit of code written on my side as well |
| 09:12.05 | Olorin | for personal use fine |
| 09:12.21 | jackie | I think I'll email the guy |
| 09:12.25 | ZorbaTHut | mike, that's actually a huge violation of copyright law |
| 09:12.25 | jackie | best way out |
| 09:12.39 | Arrowmaster | actually you need to be specificly permitted to modifiy and redistribute, if it says nothing then you cant |
| 09:12.44 | ZorbaTHut | it's not public-domain-by-default, it's fully-protected-by-default |
| 09:13.16 | Olorin | Mike got a lawyer? :P |
| 09:13.21 | jackie | lol |
| 09:13.32 | Mike-N-Go | Olorin: Depends. |
| 09:13.42 | jackie | got the addon from curse |
| 09:13.47 | Mike-N-Go | I am sure there is one, somewhere. |
| 09:13.53 | jackie | I'll read the documentation |
| 09:14.02 | Arrowmaster | what addon? |
| 09:14.14 | jackie | Examiner |
| 09:15.00 | Olorin | jackie are you planning on publishing your own mod thats based on theirs? |
| 09:15.11 | jackie | yea, |
| 09:15.18 | jackie | I need some of their functions |
| 09:16.40 | jnwhiteh|sleep | which addon is this? |
| 09:17.05 | jackie | I haven't released mine, but the addon' I am dependent on is called Examiner |
| 09:17.27 | Arrowmaster | what does your addon do? |
| 09:17.45 | jnwhiteh|sleep | The first step is almost always contacting the original author, which you said you were going to do anyway |
| 09:18.59 | jackie | yea I need to get in contact with him |
| 09:19.02 | Arrowmaster | you arent just using the item info parsing stuff in Examiner are you? |
| 09:19.09 | jackie | I'm trying to find the lisence and stuff as well |
| 09:20.05 | jackie | I'm using more that that |
| 09:20.09 | Olorin | jackie what information is their addon getting for you? |
| 09:20.25 | jackie | its doing the character inspection for me |
| 09:20.42 | Olorin | for character stats? |
| 09:20.43 | jackie | I need to get an inspected characters gear data |
| 09:20.49 | jackie | gear/talents |
| 09:20.56 | jackie | yea the stats as well |
| 09:21.35 | jackie | cause the addon' caches an inspected characters's data |
| 09:21.49 | Arrowmaster | your are probably better off just using a library like LibItemBonus-2.0, i think its been updated |
| 09:21.59 | Arrowmaster | Examiner is rather huge |
| 09:22.00 | Sabaren | seriously, what does the game do to minimap blips, i feel like im at a rave |
| 09:23.02 | jackie | I'll check that out as well |
| 09:23.11 | jackie | but I may be using a bit more of their stuff |
| 09:23.22 | jackie | I need to use their functions to display items as well |
| 09:24.36 | Arrowmaster | if your addon isnt actually adding to Examiner and you are just using stuff from it because it already exists, you probably shouldnt |
| 09:27.29 | jackie | hope thats not entirely the case |
| 09:27.32 | jackie | hopes* |
| 09:27.43 | jackie | hop* |
| 09:27.49 | jackie | .. |
| 09:39.33 | Mike-N-Go | What about updating mods that have gone out of date and are abandoned by the original author and there is no contact information to get a hold of them and nothing declaring a modify and redistribution license/copyright included in the addon download/discritption? |
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| 09:41.24 | Mike-N-Go | I know some upload addons that they did not have authorship of that may be classified under my previous example. |
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| 09:46.04 | Arrowmaster | unless theres a license that permits you to modify and redistribute it, you arent allowed to |
| 09:46.26 | Arrowmaster | although theres many examples where that happens anyway |
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| 09:50.47 | Fisker- | fuck licenses |
| 09:50.50 | Fisker- | amirite Arrowmaster? |
| 09:51.05 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 09:51.27 | Fisker- | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info12179-BOOMHeadshot.html |
| 09:51.27 | Fisker- | "The sounds for this addon can't be customized unless you have the password to unlock the file in game" |
| 09:51.27 | Fisker- | lulz |
| 09:52.51 | Arrowmaster | who let that through the approval queue? |
| 09:53.01 | Fisker- | probably Shirik |
| 09:53.02 | Fisker- | get him! |
| 09:53.07 | Arrowmaster | if i find that on curseforge im deleting it |
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| 09:54.34 | Thunder_Child | it's not a pay addon |
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| 09:55.01 | Olorin | thats so dumb, especially in a scripted language where its so easy to change |
| 09:56.39 | Thunder_Child | uh...i dont even see how it would ask you for a pw in game |
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| 09:58.06 | Olorin | editbox? |
| 09:58.22 | Thunder_Child | i mean in the code |
| 09:58.28 | Olorin | ah lol |
| 09:58.41 | Olorin | sorry lol ive only had 2hours sleep |
| 09:58.55 | Thunder_Child | you beat my by 10 or so |
| 09:59.33 | Thunder_Child | s/my/me/ |
| 10:01.34 | Arrowmaster | it has a .wma |
| 10:02.01 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 10:02.11 | Arrowmaster | the boom headshot mod |
| 10:02.18 | Thunder_Child | yes...and |
| 10:02.23 | Arrowmaster | wow cant play wma's |
| 10:03.28 | Thunder_Child | not only that, $5 says it's the authors voice....because it horrid |
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| 10:04.21 | ZorbaTHut | I really don't get some UI mods. The plethora of play-an-annoying-sound-anytime-you-use-any-ability mods just confuse me. |
| 10:04.42 | ZorbaTHut | And then there was one I saw which was a single button. When you pushed it, it played the Portal music on loop. |
| 10:04.47 | Thunder_Child | huh, i thought all uploads to wowi were tested |
| 10:05.15 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, mine seem to be automatically posted when I upload |
| 10:05.24 | ZorbaTHut | they might be scanned beforehand though. |
| 10:05.36 | Thunder_Child | they might have a trusted list |
| 10:05.41 | Thunder_Child | dunno |
| 10:05.43 | ZorbaTHut | that's possible as well |
| 10:08.33 | Olorin | anyone know if its easy to change an account name in wow |
| 10:09.26 | Arrowmaster | impossible |
| 10:09.58 | Olorin | ok just wondered |
| 10:10.11 | Olorin | thanks |
| 10:14.44 | Mike-N-Go | Get a new account |
| 10:14.48 | Mike-N-Go | Move the chars over |
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| 10:16.46 | Corrodias | profit |
| 10:17.22 | Wobin | ... |
| 10:17.30 | Wobin | The code for that addon is just for the sound |
| 10:17.44 | Wobin | There's no password or anything complex aside from an OnEvent =P |
| 10:18.04 | Wobin | ## Notes: I would like to dedicate this addon to my uncle Glenn who gave me the idea to bring this addon back to life. |
| 10:18.38 | Wobin | and it only works if it's a spell critical |
| 10:25.22 | Mike-N-Go | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.25 | purl | Mike-N-Go: i haven't seen 'pythros' |
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| 10:28.16 | iewnait | anyone know how do i send a msg for a user without it showing up at his chat frame? |
| 10:28.22 | iewnait | something like auto reply |
| 10:29.34 | iewnait | anyone know? |
| 10:32.22 | Mike-N-Go | Without it showing up in your chat frame, or there chat frame? |
| 10:32.37 | Mike-N-Go | Is this for an addon? |
| 10:32.57 | jackie | yea it is |
| 10:33.01 | Mike-N-Go | SendAddonMessage() I think you are looking for. |
| 10:33.14 | jackie | we need a covert message |
| 10:33.32 | Mike-N-Go | Do you need to encrypt it? |
| 10:33.38 | jackie | like I send a message to someone but I don't see it but he does |
| 10:33.53 | Mike-N-Go | What addon are you working with? |
| 10:34.24 | iewnait | but |
| 10:34.31 | iewnait | using sendAddonmessage |
| 10:34.42 | iewnait | the recipent cant see it too? |
| 10:34.56 | iewnait | i just want it to be invisible to the sender himself |
| 10:35.16 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, I see what you are wanting. |
| 10:35.23 | Mike-N-Go | Look at CraftyGnome. |
| 10:36.02 | Mike-N-Go | It uses CTL (ChatThrottleLib). With 'BULK'. |
| 10:36.55 | Mike-N-Go | You do not want SendAddonMessage if I am hearing you right. |
| 10:37.09 | Mike-N-Go | You want the user to have the whisper hidden |
| 10:37.15 | Mike-N-Go | And the recipent to see it. |
| 10:37.30 | iewnait | yes |
| 10:37.33 | Mike-N-Go | Alternatively, you could create a chat filter that looks for messages from your player that has the prefix of the autoreply mod. |
| 10:38.50 | Mike-N-Go | if arg 2 = UntName("player") and string.find(arg1, "^AutoReply.*") then return true end |
| 10:38.57 | Mike-N-Go | Is one way you can do it. |
| 10:38.58 | Mike-N-Go | I think. |
| 10:39.03 | Mike-N-Go | Look at BadBoy. |
| 10:39.12 | Mike-N-Go | It hides whispers. |
| 10:39.37 | Mike-N-Go | Rather, it does something similar to what you want. Glean. Glean away! |
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| 10:40.09 | Mike-N-Go | Do you get what I am saying? |
| 10:41.13 | iewnait | i willtake a look |
| 10:41.18 | iewnait | tks! |
| 10:41.47 | Mike-N-Go | Let us know if you need anymore help! |
| 10:51.59 | Mike-N-Go | ZorbaTHut: ping |
| 10:59.56 | Nizomi | any addons out there that auto-stack the meat i get from shells? |
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| 11:04.24 | Olorin | that was a bug that i beilive is going to be patch fixed |
| 11:04.31 | Olorin | I think.... |
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| 11:12.47 | Olorin | maybee not... seems the reference i was thinking of was 3.02 when they made clams stack |
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| 11:15.45 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/goatse_clock.jpg |
| 11:15.57 | Olorin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9957005708&pageNo=2&sid=1#32 silly but mildly amusing blizzy post on clams |
| 11:16.03 | Mike-N-Go | Nechckn_AFK: Try Bank Stack. |
| 11:16.13 | Mike-N-Go | It should do that. ANd thens ome. |
| 11:17.54 | Mike-N-Go | Is there a maximum number of prams. allowed in a function? |
| 11:24.20 | Nizomi | i love descriptive descriptions :p |
| 11:24.28 | Nizomi | "From bags we came, to bank we return" |
| 11:24.34 | Nizomi | yeh now i know like nothing about that addon lol |
| 11:24.36 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/kivekset.jpg |
| 11:24.42 | mikma | oldie but goldie |
| 11:28.10 | Olorin | cant read that without wincing lol |
| 11:28.57 | mikma | sympathypain ftw |
| 11:29.13 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/house.gif |
| 11:33.49 | mikma | nice tags... http://fukung.net/v/1880/gw13.jpg |
| 11:34.00 | Mike-N-Go | Nizomi: Install it, and key /bs |
| 11:34.13 | Nizomi | still |
| 11:34.22 | Mike-N-Go | There is also a fubar mod for it that helps you know what it does |
| 11:34.22 | Nizomi | description are there to tell you what an addons does _before_ you install it |
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| 11:41.21 | Nizomi | hm maybe any addon that estimates the time for getting a set ammount of items, lets you associate this item with other (crystalized water -> eternal water) and gives an estimation of gold per hour based on your auctioneer values and the ETA for getting these items? |
| 11:41.52 | mikma | no |
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| 11:56.16 | Olorin | if you have a table which has many nested tables and you want to only reference the latter part in a particular section of code can you just set a temp variable to say table[5][2][7] |
| 12:01.37 | Corrodias | as far as i know |
| 12:02.56 | Nizomi | hm i'd like a merge between onebag and virtual bags xD |
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| 13:02.40 | Shirik | best. line. ever. |
| 13:02.41 | Shirik | local timestamp, event, sourceGUID, sourceName, sourceFlags, destGUID, destName, destFlags = select(1, ...) |
| 13:05.05 | Industrial | eh |
| 13:05.18 | foxlit | go, compiler, go! |
| 13:18.18 | Arrowmaster | hmm this is interesting http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14318702566&sid=1 |
| 13:18.48 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i know exactly what add you are looking at |
| 13:18.58 | Arrowmaster | s/add/addon/ |
| 13:19.26 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: the wma file is the best part |
| 13:22.33 | foxlit | "... Search friendly tags: ... assblock" |
| 13:24.04 | Gnarfoz | could someone approve the latest & greatest version of GridStatusHealingReduced? ^^ |
| 13:26.16 | foxlit | What's so late about it? :) |
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| 13:32.41 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: uh... it's newer than the previous one :p |
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| 13:42.40 | foxlit | Windows 7 installer does have the responsiveness of an interactive Hitler portrait |
| 13:45.58 | jnwhiteh | yay |
| 13:48.13 | nevcairiel | sounds awesome already |
| 13:48.18 | sylvanaar | the installer isnt interactive |
| 13:48.42 | foxlit | But its eyes flash! |
| 13:49.11 | nevcairiel | i still need to make space on some drive |
| 13:50.09 | sylvanaar | i installed it on vmware, its basically what XP was to 2k |
| 13:50.12 | foxlit | Hint: don't install it on old system partition unless you fully intend to get stuck with it |
| 13:50.22 | Fisker- | why so slow guys? |
| 13:50.58 | nevcairiel | I'll create a new partition |
| 13:51.00 | Fisker- | win+space is my new best friend btw |
| 13:51.00 | sylvanaar | go download virtualpc or something its free, use that |
| 13:51.07 | Fisker- | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate - (6.1.7000) up: 1day 2hrs 54mins 26secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz 1 processor(s) at 2667MHz (1% Load) gfx: Microsoft res: 1680x1050 32bit 59Hz ram: 1763/6134.2MB (28.75%) [|||-------] hdd: C:\ 83.68GB/279.46GB D:\ 1.77TB/1.82TB F:\ 93.07GB/93.16GB net: Marvell Yukon 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller - 100MB/s 5.01GB In 419.95MB Out |
| 13:51.13 | Fisker- | rawr rawr |
| 13:52.08 | Fisker- | Just need live mesh to be updated now |
| 13:54.10 | Arrowmaster | win+space? |
| 13:54.55 | nevcairiel | at least you can install it from an existing windows, so i dont need to burn the dvd =P |
| 13:55.21 | Fisker- | Arrowmaster you know the little button with a windows logo on it? |
| 13:55.22 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 13:55.48 | Arrowmaster | yes i use it a lot |
| 13:56.09 | nevcairiel | win-space shows the sidebar on vista =P |
| 13:56.20 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 13:58.11 | foxlit | nevcairiel: not from xp32 |
| 13:58.16 | foxlit | Or something :) |
| 13:59.55 | Fisker- | if only windows could burn isos |
| 14:00.14 | Fisker- | lol |
| 14:00.25 | Fisker- | "Infrarecorder could not detect your burner" |
| 14:00.30 | Fisker- | Even though i only got one dvd drive |
| 14:00.35 | Fisker- | don't even have daemon tools etc. |
| 14:08.59 | Fisker- | doh |
| 14:09.05 | Fisker- | forgot my laptop didn't support x64 |
| 14:09.32 | Fisker- | and i already deleted my 32-bit version |
| 14:09.33 | Ian_corne | :p |
| 14:09.37 | Ian_corne | awsome |
| 14:10.47 | Fisker- | kinda cool with built-in backup now on the desktop side of things |
| 14:11.06 | Gnarfoz | hmm still now wowi file admin around? :< |
| 14:11.14 | Fisker- | for wat? |
| 14:12.04 | Gnarfoz | approving stuff :p |
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| 14:34.43 | randomfool | hey ive been trying to make an addon that will send a message to the default chat frame when a certain spell is casted but ive failed at every attempt, can anyone point me towards a similar addon? |
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| 14:46.35 | Mike-N-Go | randomfool: if you paste yoru code to http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ we could look at it and might be able to point out what is wrong. |
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| 14:47.29 | Mike-N-Go | To make such an addon, you woul dneed to look for the event of the spell casting or parse the combat log. And if the psell is the one you want, then ChatFrame1:AddMessage() |
| 14:48.36 | randomfool | yeah ive tried a few different things all with no result, im really just looking for what i should be doing |
| 14:48.54 | randomfool | i can't seem to find any simple tutorials |
| 14:49.08 | Mike-N-Go | Well, may we see what you have? |
| 14:51.01 | randomfool | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/106044 |
| 14:51.24 | randomfool | basically want to send a chat message when a spellname is found in the combatlog |
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| 15:31.23 | benregn | hi |
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| 15:44.52 | procule | randomfool: have you tried with the spellid ? |
| 15:45.40 | randomfool | no, ill go try that now |
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| 16:16.03 | |Jelly| | http://hdimage.org/images/ujcse1wy8nac29wntm0l_ocrnhot011109101508.jpg AFK while flying in Northrend = bad juju |
| 16:16.18 | randomfool | well im completely lost, if anyone could point me to a tutorial where i can learn about this id be thankful |
| 16:16.37 | |Jelly| | What are you trying to do? |
| 16:17.04 | randomfool | send a message to the default chat frame when a spell is casted |
| 16:17.19 | |Jelly| | What spell? |
| 16:19.58 | randomfool | im just using bok |
| 16:20.30 | |Jelly| | Blessing of Kings? |
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| 16:22.31 | randomfool | yep |
| 16:22.58 | |Jelly| | What message are you wanting it to print? |
| 16:23.16 | randomfool | anything |
| 16:23.49 | |Jelly| | Well, are you wanting "Blessing of Kings casted" or like "Blessing of Kings casted on UnitName("target")" ? |
| 16:24.08 | Fogger2 | randomfool: Check out my addon, DebuffWatcher2 on Curse, I did something very similar, maybe it will help |
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| 16:24.52 | procule | randomfool: the spellid of that spell is 20217 |
| 16:24.54 | randomfool | just casted, the target doesn't matter. thanks fogger, ill check it out |
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| 16:27.42 | Fogger2 | randomfool: SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS isnt an event as such, rather its a possible 3rd arg from COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 16:28.22 | |Jelly| | Problem is that COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED doesn't fire in town. |
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| 16:29.04 | randomfool | i see |
| 16:29.07 | |Jelly| | Found that out while making: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12148-LifeTapSpam.html |
| 16:29.40 | |Jelly| | However, UNIT_SPELLCAST+SUCCEEDED fires everywhere .. just doesn't give a whole hell of a lot of information |
| 16:31.28 | |Jelly| | http://www.pastey.net/106048 should be a super basic example |
| 16:31.34 | |Jelly| | untested, of course |
| 16:34.09 | Fogger2 | |Jelly|: when did COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED stop firing in town? I tested my addon in IF primarily without problems. |
| 16:34.23 | randomfool | yeah i was trying to stay away from xml : / |
| 16:35.06 | |Jelly| | I'm not sure but when I was standing in Org trying to write that addon, DevTools didn't register it. I can't say that I tried it anyway though. |
| 16:35.25 | cbreak | even after relogging? |
| 16:35.51 | cbreak | I've lost all combat log events a few times |
| 16:36.12 | cbreak | but logging out and back in fixed it (with /quit) |
| 16:36.39 | randomfool | btw is the spellname case sensitive? |
| 16:36.53 | Fogger2 | yes |
| 16:37.00 | randomfool | k |
| 16:37.48 | |Jelly| | cbreak: Interesting. It's firing now. |
| 16:38.00 | |Jelly| | Either way, I learned how to work with multiple events so I'm happy. |
| 16:38.20 | |Jelly| | But yeah, COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED gives soooo much more information. |
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| 16:40.47 | |Jelly| | randomfool: I'm not comfortable making an all Lua addon quite yet so I just turn the OnEvent and OnLoads into functions and make my XML as short as possible that way. |
| 16:41.23 | randomfool | mkay |
| 16:41.56 | randomfool | i really wish there was more tutorials for this sort of stuff : / |
| 16:42.17 | |Jelly| | BTW, I am having an issue that we (I) couldn't figure out last night. <Button name="CMapBut1" inherits="UIPanelButtonTemplate" text="é"> breaks the addon. <Button name="CMapBut1" inherits="UIPanelButtonTemplate" text=""> works. I'm trying to make an in-game Character Map that would add the different characters to chat for you. |
| 16:42.28 | |Jelly| | ~wowprograming |
| 16:42.42 | zenzelezz | double-M |
| 16:42.42 | |Jelly| | ~fail |Jelly| |
| 16:42.43 | purl | |Jelly|, you Fail! |
| 16:42.44 | |Jelly| | Yeah |
| 16:42.49 | |Jelly| | ~wowprogramming |
| 16:42.49 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 16:43.02 | |Jelly| | randomfool: That book is worth it's weight in gold. |
| 16:44.30 | randomfool | id rather not put money into something as simple as this |
| 16:45.44 | |Jelly| | To each their own, I suppose. |
| 16:49.22 | randomfool | well thanks for the help anyways |
| 16:49.35 | Olorin | Jelly can you not use the escape codes rather than actual strings containing the codes? |
| 16:50.10 | |Jelly| | Tekkub mentioned something about that, but I wasn't sure what he meant .. and I went to bed so I couldn't ask him. (I read the log) |
| 16:51.26 | Fogger | |Jelly|: look at an Addon called "Wowdings" which does what you want I think. |
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| 16:59.47 | |Jelly| | Not quite. |
| 17:01.03 | Pizik_afk | are you still on 3.0.3 in the US? |
| 17:02.18 | jnwhiteh | |Jelly|: use \195 anywhere you want to use é |
| 17:04.24 | |Jelly| | http://hdimage.org/images/zjhz883vuxauywnet5z_ocrnhot011109110333.jpg |
| 17:05.55 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 17:06.18 | jnwhiteh | lua> print("\195") |
| 17:06.19 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: Ã |
| 17:06.30 | jnwhiteh | i fail |
| 17:06.59 | |Jelly| | Nah, but I do think you see my frustration. :P |
| 17:09.09 | |Jelly| | http://hdimage.org/images/zbcpgdfd2ih471jy7lo_ocrnhot011109110815.jpg That's all WoW Wings is, but the code isn't exactly helpful. / [14] = {["æ"] = {"%(phi%)"},}, / |
| 17:12.30 | Adys | Anyone knows how to get the color of a tooltip line? |
| 17:12.43 | Adys | I want to know what color "Disenchanting requires ..." is |
| 17:19.55 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/FontInstance/GetTextColor |
| 17:20.13 | Adys | thanks :) |
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| 17:24.10 | sylvanaar | |Jelly| have you tried defining a global for the string and setting it from a lua file |
| 17:24.31 | |Jelly| | Umm. No? |
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| 17:26.57 | sylvanaar | also ill bet that wow has a diff char code for it |
| 17:27.06 | iewnait | Hi, does anyone know how i could get a string of all the ppl in a chatchannel? |
| 17:27.12 | sylvanaar | double-byte |
| 17:27.42 | sylvanaar | which would explain why you dont see any text |
| 17:27.54 | |Jelly| | What do you mean? |
| 17:28.05 | |Jelly| | If I type \195, I see "\195 |
| 17:28.05 | sylvanaar | try adding another char and see if it looks like 2 chars overlapping |
| 17:28.12 | |Jelly| | | and é breaks the addon. |
| 17:28.15 | sylvanaar | you cant do that from xml |
| 17:28.47 | Adys | jnwhiteh: is there a way to make it return |
| 17:28.55 | Adys | something else than floats* ? |
| 17:29.09 | Adys | a 1-255 or hex color |
| 17:29.42 | zenzelezz | well if it returns a float, multiple it by 255 and you're set? |
| 17:29.51 | zenzelezz | *multiply |
| 17:29.52 | sylvanaar | go in the game and type /script print("Ã") |
| 17:29.59 | sylvanaar | or whatever your letter is |
| 17:30.08 | |Jelly| | It prints it. |
| 17:30.15 | sylvanaar | it does? |
| 17:30.24 | Adys | zenzelezz: how would that be correct? |
| 17:30.25 | |Jelly| | yes |
| 17:30.34 | Adys | oh wait |
| 17:30.36 | Adys | nm I suck |
| 17:30.39 | sylvanaar | you are in europe or something? |
| 17:30.43 | |Jelly| | No |
| 17:32.01 | |Jelly| | rutroah |
| 17:32.05 | sylvanaar | what is the call then string.byte("a") |
| 17:32.07 | kd3 | gasp |
| 17:32.33 | |Jelly| | sylvanaar: I don't know |
| 17:33.02 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.24 | |Jelly| | 195 |
| 17:33.38 | |Jelly| | lua>print(string.byte( "é" )) |
| 17:33.38 | lua_bot | |Jelly|: 195 |
| 17:38.11 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.13 | Olorin | jelly try print(string.char(i)) |
| 17:38.55 | Olorin | that allows conversion from number to single character for a for loop but the fonts seem missing, i get ? for anything but standard characters |
| 17:38.57 | sylvanaar | btw does it look like an e or an A? |
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| 17:39.10 | |Jelly| | Olorin: http://hdimage.org/images/lh37ge76lzg0f77c43_ocrnhot011109113829.jpg |
| 17:39.32 | |Jelly| | sylvanaar: With exception of the one time you tried to get the A character, I've been using the é character. |
| 17:40.22 | Olorin | lol jelly replace i with the numberr |
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| 17:40.34 | sylvanaar | because its supposed to be an A |
| 17:41.06 | |Jelly| | lua>print(string.char(195)) |
| 17:41.06 | lua_bot | |Jelly|: Ã |
| 17:41.12 | |Jelly| | It gave me a ? in game |
| 17:41.24 | Olorin | ya i wonder if need specific font |
| 17:41.44 | Olorin | if you do for loop i 1,100 most regular characters come up |
| 17:41.46 | sylvanaar | how do you type that char |
| 17:41.56 | |Jelly| | alt+0233 |
| 17:42.00 | sylvanaar | ok |
| 17:42.09 | sylvanaar | now we are talking |
| 17:42.31 | |Jelly| | utoh |
| 17:42.42 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.53 | sylvanaar | its double byte |
| 17:43.01 | sylvanaar | you need both bytes to print it |
| 17:43.11 | sylvanaar | otherwise its nothing |
| 17:43.25 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.47 | |Jelly| | That prints it correctly. |
| 17:44.32 | zenzelezz | ('é'):len() == 2, so yeah |
| 17:45.05 | sylvanaar | lua>print("\195\169") |
| 17:45.05 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: é |
| 17:45.35 | sylvanaar | the only reason it prints an e is irc |
| 17:45.49 | sylvanaar | your client converting it to UTF8 |
| 17:47.01 | |Jelly| | Ok so how would I make this work, I suppose is the next question. |
| 17:47.03 | sylvanaar | does your editor support utf8 properly? |
| 17:47.41 | |Jelly| | I'm going to go with "Yes" but really, the answer is "I don't know" http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4989-SciTE-WOWInterface.html |
| 17:48.19 | ZorbaTHut | mike, awake now, if you're still around |
| 17:49.19 | sylvanaar | can you save this in your editor ??????? |
| 17:49.21 | sylvanaar | lame |
| 17:49.38 | sylvanaar | im not encoding utf8 |
| 17:50.02 | sylvanaar | æç´¢èªå®ä¹æ令 |
| 17:50.06 | Adys | ni hao |
| 17:50.18 | sylvanaar | can you save that in your editor |
| 17:50.24 | |Jelly| | "???????" |
| 17:50.52 | sylvanaar | when you saved it? |
| 17:51.09 | |Jelly| | That's what it put when I copied it. |
| 17:51.34 | sylvanaar | most likely your editor is encoding to the windows code page |
| 17:51.47 | sylvanaar | you need to tell it to use utf8 |
| 17:52.32 | |Jelly| | done |
| 17:52.58 | sylvanaar | ok, now save the file - retype the char and save it again |
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| 17:53.23 | sylvanaar | see if it load |
| 17:53.54 | sylvanaar | (refering to your original file now) |
| 17:54.12 | |Jelly| | <Button name="CMapBut1" inherits="UIPanelButtonTemplate" text="æç´¢èªå®ä¹æ令"> = http://i39.tinypic.com/2hg7dli.jpg |
| 17:54.27 | sylvanaar | haha, no the e |
| 17:54.45 | sylvanaar | put the e back in, and save it |
| 17:54.48 | |Jelly| | Yeah. It loads. |
| 17:54.58 | sylvanaar | does it have an e now? |
| 17:54.59 | |Jelly| | I think ... I think I luff you. |
| 17:55.18 | |Jelly| | http://i44.tinypic.com/2z40nj8.jpg |
| 17:56.04 | |Jelly| | What a huge PITA for just a simple setting. |
| 17:56.13 | sylvanaar | i just went through this recently too - trying to get prat to hilight players names with those wierd letters |
| 17:56.31 | sylvanaar | case insensitvely |
| 17:58.44 | sylvanaar | there is also utf8lib that can help as well |
| 17:59.01 | sylvanaar | but i think for what you are doing you are set |
| 17:59.55 | AbsolutRayne | @_@ Cant stop coughing |
| 18:00.18 | sylvanaar | yikes |
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| 18:02.23 | |Jelly| | Rayne: Just stop, you know, being sick. |
| 18:06.25 | |Jelly| | Is it funny when someone in WoW tells you to go outside? |
| 18:11.00 | kd3 | yay seeing a classic pop up in another channel... |
| 18:11.06 | kd3 | http://shadeofaranchant.ytmnd.com/ |
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| 18:29.07 | zenzelezz | I must have listenened too much to the trade channel |
| 18:29.11 | zenzelezz | <|Jelly|> Rayne: Just stop, you know, being sick. |
| 18:29.17 | zenzelezz | I swore that said "stop being a dick" |
| 18:29.25 | |Jelly| | lol |
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| 18:41.47 | Hirsute | Okay. In setting default values for my addon, I have each one wrapped in an if statement (if not myaddon.somesetting then myaddon.somesetting = "blah"). Do I need to do this, or can I just set defaults at the beginning of the script, and then when SVs load will they overwrite whatever defaults I set? |
| 18:43.17 | Iriel | SV |
| 18:43.22 | Iriel | SV loads a whole table at a time |
| 18:43.31 | Iriel | so chances are your defaults get obliterated |
| 18:43.43 | Iriel | One fairly common idiom is the following in an ADDON_LOADED block |
| 18:44.05 | Iriel | for k, v in pairs(MyAddOn_Defaults) do if (MyAddOn_Settings[k] == nil) then MyAddOnSettings[k] = v; end end |
| 18:44.25 | Iriel | (If you have nested settings tables that gets a bit more complex but the basic idea is the same |
| 18:44.39 | Hirsute | Iriel, thanks! |
| 19:04.27 | |Jelly| | Is there any way to for instance: GetKeyboardFocus:SetText(GetKeyboardFocus:GetText().."Ã
") ? Idealy putting the character wherever the keyboard is currently inputting? |
| 19:19.29 | Anaral | Are there any known issues with TomTom not working in the DK starting area? |
| 19:19.40 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 19:19.46 | jnwhiteh | the DK starting area isn't a real map |
| 19:19.47 | jnwhiteh | so it doesn't work |
| 19:19.56 | Anaral | Poop |
| 19:20.03 | jnwhiteh | Astrolabe hasn't been altered to allow for "virtual" maps like that and other battlegrounds yet |
| 19:20.10 | jnwhiteh | but, you shoudnm't need it :P |
| 19:20.13 | Anaral | lol |
| 19:20.23 | Anaral | Yeah I don't, but it is still helpful. |
| 19:20.25 | jnwhiteh | really :P |
| 19:20.26 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
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| 20:28.58 | Cidan | wow |
| 20:29.02 | Cidan | Windows 7 is really nice |
| 20:29.43 | Industrial | as totally oblivios person to it I ask, how is it nice, Cidan? |
| 20:30.33 | Cidan | It's fast, really fast. |
| 20:30.56 | Cidan | And a lot of things are fixed, like... Windows Media Player can actually connect to my Mediatomb server now |
| 20:31.44 | Cidan | granted, I can't join my samba domain, but eh. |
| 20:32.05 | Cidan | the new task bar is really nice |
| 20:32.18 | Cidan | over all, totally worth the wipe of Vista to install this |
| 20:34.29 | Industrial | I'm still using XP |
| 20:34.42 | Industrial | I've never even touched vista |
| 20:34.46 | Cidan | Ah |
| 20:34.49 | Industrial | so I have no idea :E |
| 20:34.49 | Cidan | Vista wasn't horrible |
| 20:35.51 | nevcairiel | I'm staying on Vista for now, but really looking forward to the RTM |
| 20:36.27 | Cidan | It's worth the upgrade, this beta runs better than any final product Microsoft has put out |
| 20:36.30 | Cidan | I love it. |
| 20:37.00 | nevcairiel | I dont want to reinstall my system in august =P |
| 20:37.12 | Cidan | Not sure you'll have to. |
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| 20:38.22 | ZorbaTHut | is there an estimated release date for win7 yet? |
| 20:38.32 | Cidan | Not that I know of |
| 20:38.32 | ZorbaTHut | I can't believe I'm actually looking forward to a new version of Windows |
| 20:38.35 | Cidan | Likely in 2009 |
| 20:38.55 | nevcairiel | Hm Beta now, RC in summer |
| 20:39.05 | Cidan | if you run linux |
| 20:39.08 | ZorbaTHut | well, that'll be enough time for the i7 prices to drop a bit, hopefully |
| 20:39.17 | Cidan | just use dd to back up your drive |
| 20:39.19 | ZorbaTHut | i7/w7, I swear the two are in cahoots |
| 20:39.23 | nevcairiel | RTM for christmas |
| 20:39.34 | nevcairiel | public release summer '10 |
| 20:39.40 | nevcairiel | my guess |
| 20:40.01 | ZorbaTHut | if it's as good as people have been saying, it wouldn't surprise me if they sped it up a bit in order to get Vista behind them |
| 20:40.03 | Cidan | When was Vista released? |
| 20:40.14 | Cidan | ZorbaTHut: It really, really is. |
| 20:40.56 | nevcairiel | Vista was Nov 30 2006 to Business and Jan 30, 2007 to public |
| 20:41.38 | Cidan | They wanted to release it within 3 years of Vista's release, so. |
| 20:41.51 | Cidan | And really at this point, it "feels" done. |
| 20:41.54 | nevcairiel | It essentially is a Vista+ |
| 20:42.07 | nevcairiel | Not a "real" 7 |
| 20:42.14 | nevcairiel | (still major version 6) |
| 20:42.41 | Hirsute | really dumb "can I do this in lua" question: I'd like to set a scalar as a reference to another value (so, say I want to set foo to my.table.deep.value) but to do so as a reference so that when my.table.deep.value changes, foo will also change. Is that possible? |
| 20:42.44 | nevcairiel | But still a nice upgrade |
| 20:43.04 | nevcairiel | Hirsute: no, you cant |
| 20:43.11 | Hirsute | nevcairiel: Okay, thanks! |
| 20:43.36 | ZorbaTHut | I may have to violate my standard policy of buying more RAM than I think I'll need, though :( |
| 20:43.49 | Cidan | ZorbaTHut: why? |
| 20:44.05 | ZorbaTHut | because if I'm getting a quadcore i7, I can already think of a way to use 24gb. |
| 20:44.22 | ZorbaTHut | and that's six slots of 4gb sticks. more than that and I'm looking at server-class hardware. |
| 20:44.23 | Cidan | Then get more, imo. |
| 20:44.38 | nevcairiel | 4gb sticks will already be too expensive |
| 20:44.46 | ZorbaTHut | I just checked, 4gb sticks are $100 right now |
| 20:44.52 | nevcairiel | ddr3? |
| 20:44.56 | ZorbaTHut | I can live with $600 in RAM. They'll be cheaper in a year. |
| 20:45.43 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170147%201052321736&name=4GB looks like these are ddr2 |
| 20:45.56 | ZorbaTHut | but there's enough ddr3 stuff coming out that I think it'll be moderately reasonable by then |
| 20:45.58 | nevcairiel | I would've been surprised if DDR3 dropped as much |
| 20:46.02 | Hirsute | Next question then, is myothertable.subtable[my.deep.table.value] correct syntax? |
| 20:46.17 | nevcairiel | Hirsute: that would work, yes |
| 20:46.26 | Hirsute | nevcairiel: Again, thank you! |
| 20:46.45 | ZorbaTHut | well, I can get 2x2gb DDR3 for $100, so, yeah, still not hugely worried :) |
| 20:47.00 | nevcairiel | well that halfs your max :) |
| 20:47.09 | ZorbaTHut | and one year before I need it |
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| 20:47.28 | ZorbaTHut | it'll work out. s'all good. |
| 20:47.55 | nevcairiel | I'm planning to get a new box around sept or oct |
| 20:48.26 | nevcairiel | maybe save some more money until christmas and get something really awesome |
| 20:49.12 | nevcairiel | 6-core or so :) |
| 20:49.20 | ZorbaTHut | same, though maybe a little after christmas to see if I can wrangle any awesome holiday deals |
| 20:49.44 | ZorbaTHut | what's the plans for 6-core? is that two physical processors, or including hyperthreading, or just a later i7 revision? |
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| 20:50.33 | Tuller | so, I figured something out maybe |
| 20:50.53 | Cidan | Tuller: Lies! |
| 20:51.09 | Tuller | when I get a 59d jamber in omnicc, it means that the remaining duration of a cooldown is longer than how long a person's computer has been up for |
| 20:51.31 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:51.44 | Tuller | under that situation, start is set to... |
| 20:52.09 | Tuller | how many seconds have occurred since the wow anniversary date |
| 20:52.48 | Cidan | Shirik: Try Windows 7! |
| 20:52.56 | Shirik | Is there a good reason to :/ |
| 20:53.09 | Shirik | My desktop already has issues handling vista |
| 20:53.16 | Shirik | it needs an upgrade |
| 20:53.21 | nevcairiel | ZorbaTHut: Codename Westmere (32nm shrink of Nehalem), native 6 core |
| 20:53.39 | Shirik | 6 core w/ HT = 12? |
| 20:53.46 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 20:53.48 | ZorbaTHut | nice |
| 20:53.49 | Shirik | I need one of those |
| 20:53.54 | Shirik | weren't they making an 8 core though? |
| 20:53.58 | nevcairiel | that too |
| 20:54.02 | Shirik | I need that actually |
| 20:54.06 | nevcairiel | but its a Xeon |
| 20:54.07 | nevcairiel | afaik |
| 20:54.24 | Shirik | I've always been confused by that |
| 20:54.24 | nevcairiel | the Westmere will have a Desktop version |
| 20:54.24 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, at that point I'd rather just get two computers |
| 20:54.30 | Shirik | what do you give up with a Xeon? |
| 20:54.35 | Shirik | like why it's never available in desktops? |
| 20:54.37 | Shirik | well |
| 20:54.40 | Shirik | non-workstations |
| 20:54.55 | nevcairiel | its mighty expensive |
| 20:55.16 | Shirik | blah |
| 20:55.19 | nevcairiel | Xeons are designed for Multi-Processor-Systems |
| 20:55.31 | nevcairiel | and thus, more expensive |
| 20:55.32 | Shirik | I need ot get 2x 8 core |
| 20:55.36 | ZorbaTHut | the price. it just plain isn't worth it. |
| 20:55.37 | Shirik | 32 native threads muahaha |
| 20:55.58 | ZorbaTHut | I don't need that much power in one system - if I'm doing anything where I can use 32 threads, it'd cost me ten times as much to cram it into one box as it would to spread it among four |
| 20:56.03 | nevcairiel | Lets hope Windows7 is better in handling more then 2 concurrent cores |
| 20:56.11 | ZorbaTHut | may as well rig up a little compute farm |
| 20:56.15 | Shirik | in all honesty |
| 20:56.23 | Shirik | few OSes can handle more than 2 "well" |
| 20:56.29 | nevcairiel | I know |
| 20:56.30 | Shirik | it requires a whole new design paradigm |
| 20:56.37 | Shirik | since most kernels are not reentrant |
| 20:56.51 | nevcairiel | Someone just needs to design one |
| 20:56.52 | nevcairiel | its the future |
| 20:56.59 | Shirik | QNX can do it pretty well |
| 20:57.01 | Shirik | but that's an RTOS :P |
| 20:57.08 | ZorbaTHut | linux is working on it, they're constantly improving |
| 20:57.26 | ZorbaTHut | I hear vista/win7 are much, much better in that regard. It's something that OSes are just going to *have* to do well in a few years. |
| 20:57.30 | Cidan | Shirik: Yes, there is a reason, it kicks the crap out of Vista, D: |
| 20:57.51 | nevcairiel | Indeed, its only Beta and already has vista quality |
| 20:58.01 | Shirik | hm |
| 20:58.13 | nevcairiel | (if you install the MP3 patch =P) |
| 20:58.17 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut: No, neither Linux nor Vista can do, imo, well with it |
| 20:58.28 | Shirik | because the design philosophy of the kernel is not scalable |
| 20:58.30 | nevcairiel | Vista can deal with 2 pretty good |
| 20:58.34 | nevcairiel | but anymore, not so much |
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| 20:59.01 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, I'm not saying they *are* good right nw, I'm saying they're getting better than everyone knows they're going to have to get *much* better. |
| 20:59.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Anyone made mod to expand the raid ID windows? >.> |
| 20:59.10 | ZorbaTHut | er, better *and* everyone knows |
| 20:59.22 | nevcairiel | Windows7 is supposed to be better with multi-cores |
| 20:59.24 | Shirik | but what I'm saying is they can never get to where I'd like it to be |
| 20:59.26 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, there are Linux projects working on exactly that point, not as a side project, but as a focus |
| 20:59.33 | ZorbaTHut | I disagree - there's nothing that requires a rewrite |
| 20:59.38 | Shirik | as you add more cores, you're going to just hit the lock more and more |
| 20:59.45 | ZorbaTHut | that's why you *remove the lock* :P |
| 20:59.51 | ZorbaTHut | one of the big recent linux changes removed the global lock |
| 21:00.12 | Shirik | they have? since when? |
| 21:00.41 | Shirik | if that's the case, then they'll do significantly better, but I would still like to see a microkernel GPOS |
| 21:00.45 | ZorbaTHut | I remember reading about it a few months ago. Not having much luck finding it right now. |
| 21:01.13 | ZorbaTHut | (side note: hey, new google favicon! much better than the old one) |
| 21:01.34 | Shirik | eh |
| 21:01.39 | Shirik | I'm not sure I like it :P |
| 21:01.50 | Shirik | I don't remember the old one |
| 21:02.08 | ZorbaTHut | it was just a blue narrow g |
| 21:02.19 | kd3 | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081207-analysis-more-than-16-cores-may-well-be-pointless.html |
| 21:03.16 | kd3 | I'm still rather fond of this one sentence... "Massively multithreaded programming isn't just a "hard problem"ârather, it's a generation's worth of Ph.D. dissertations that have yet to be written." |
| 21:03.29 | ZorbaTHut | kd3, that's why we need more memory busses, and why NUMA systems are going to start showing up |
| 21:03.34 | Shirik | oh it's definitely not pointless |
| 21:03.37 | ZorbaTHut | (and that's when things get really fun, for certain definitions of fun) |
| 21:03.39 | Shirik | it is great for epeen |
| 21:03.53 | kd3 | about as good as my quad-core is right now... >.> |
| 21:04.07 | Shirik | 16 core kicks the crap out of your quad core's epeen |
| 21:04.23 | Shirik | that being said |
| 21:04.27 | Shirik | does gcc really use all cores? |
| 21:04.31 | Shirik | or is that make using all cores? |
| 21:04.38 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, make -j16, usually |
| 21:04.43 | ZorbaTHut | well, -j20 -j24 or so actually |
| 21:04.44 | kd3 | make, more than likely. I'm just passing make -j4 |
| 21:06.00 | Shirik | yeah that I can understand |
| 21:06.21 | Shirik | I guess gcc could compile several source files at once if you pass it all on the same line |
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| 21:32.56 | Tekkub | hrm, it may be time for a new mouse |
| 21:33.12 | Tekkub | I was noticing that dragging sometime stopped before I let off the button... |
| 21:33.23 | Tekkub | now clicking's getting kinda unresponsive |
| 21:33.32 | Tekkub | left button only, of course |
| 21:34.30 | Industrial | I always manage to break the little sliding pads, even though im OCD about keeping my desk clean (around the mouse *cough*) and never get any dus on it.. |
| 21:34.48 | Industrial | recently got a Logitech G9 mouse with little weights and all that shit |
| 21:35.12 | Industrial | Might put in my own weights or soemthing if I can find ones that will fit.. its still too light for me |
| 21:35.27 | Industrial | with the max weight in it |
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| 21:55.23 | kd3 | my gods how far we've come... |
| 21:56.35 | Sixen | That was badass. |
| 21:56.36 | Sixen | <3 sc. |
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| 22:01.27 | Shirik | f druids |
| 22:02.38 | |pez| | It might be time for... a desk, a new mouse, and maybe a keyboard! .. |
| 22:02.50 | |pez| | So I can actually sit comfertably next to my new computer. |
| 22:03.44 | |pez| | instead of having the screen on the table, and the keyboard and mouse on a wooden board on my lap. |
| 22:03.46 | |pez| | in the sofa. |
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| 22:05.44 | Thunder_Child | http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4632991n |
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| 22:07.59 | Thunder_Child | oh my, 2lbs of meat, 4 slices of bread covered in lard, half an onion, whole tomato, 4 slices of cheese |
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| 22:09.14 | Thunder_Child | 8000 calories |
| 22:09.41 | |pez| | that's 6710 more than I'm supposed to eat in a day. 0.o |
| 22:10.40 | Thunder_Child | this is like 4 days of food in one meal for most people |
| 22:11.02 | Aiiane | ...o.0 |
| 22:11.08 | Aiiane | that's... almost sickening |
| 22:11.13 | Thunder_Child | almost? |
| 22:11.28 | Thunder_Child | i'm surpsried they dont put bacon on the thing |
| 22:11.34 | Aiiane | i don't think anything that wasn't yet spoiled could actually make me sick |
| 22:11.38 | Aiiane | so it's not truly sickening |
| 22:11.39 | Aiiane | but its close |
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| 22:18.11 | Tuller | WOW_TIME = time{year = 2008, month = 11, day = 22, hour = 23, min = 55, sec = 0} |
| 22:18.17 | Tuller | am I right on that? :P |
| 22:18.22 | foxlit | "Several functions no longer accept unit tokens as parameters, and should now be used in conjunction with UnitName("token") instead. These functions include: " |
| 22:18.26 | foxlit | "InviteUnit" |
| 22:21.50 | jnwhiteh | hopefully it gets changed to InviteByName |
| 22:21.53 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
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| 22:28.30 | Mikk | omg the exploits you could do with InviteUnit accepting guids. i'm so glad they plugged that! |
| 22:28.51 | Mikk | oh wait.. tokens |
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| 22:31.30 | Aiiane | local Soon = Soon+1 |
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| 22:34.17 | foxlit | local Sooner = Soon - 1 |
| 22:34.32 | foxlit | So, PuG Grobbulus: an exercise in futility? |
| 22:35.13 | Kirov | Is this a recent discovery? |
| 22:37.22 | foxlit | Yes |
| 22:37.37 | foxlit | I've been slacking on raid content in PuGs |
| 22:37.52 | Kirov | Any boss that requires people to move is usually instant fail for pugs |
| 22:38.46 | Arrowmaster | why would they make InviteUnit not accept tokens? |
| 22:39.27 | Kirov | no idea |
| 22:39.31 | Kirov | Maybe some internal code thing? |
| 22:39.40 | Kirov | (rather than exploit fixing) |
| 22:39.44 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 22:39.54 | Arrowmaster | wheres this info at? forums? |
| 22:46.04 | jnwhiteh | consistency |
| 22:46.29 | foxlit | How often do you invite someone through unit tokens? |
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| 22:46.34 | foxlit | And how often do you invite someone by name? :) |
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| 22:56.25 | Tekkub | "Scroll wheel with detents" |
| 22:56.32 | Tekkub | what the fuck is a detent? |
| 22:56.38 | foxlit | a dent! |
| 22:56.41 | Shirik | I'll detend your scroll wheel |
| 22:56.42 | Olorin | to give grip |
| 22:56.45 | Shirik | s/end/ent/ |
| 22:57.03 | Aiiane | Tekkub: it means it has noticeable increments |
| 22:57.04 | foxlit | Detent is the term for a method, as well as the actual device, used to mechanically resist or arrest the rotation of a wheel, axle or spindle. |
| 22:57.08 | Aiiane | as opposed to smooth scrolling |
| 22:57.13 | foxlit | go, Captain Wikipedia, go! |
| 22:57.15 | Tekkub | oh, it's the technical term for "not that 'smooth scroll' shit" |
| 22:57.16 | Duman | "notched" |
| 22:57.19 | Aiiane | Tekkub: correct |
| 22:57.30 | Aiiane | smooth scroll is crap |
| 22:57.33 | Tekkub | yea, I hate smooth scroll |
| 22:57.37 | Aiiane | i hate it whenever i try to change weapons in an FPS |
| 22:57.43 | Aiiane | always end up overshooting |
| 22:57.48 | Duman | yeah I can't deal w/ smooth scroll wheels |
| 22:57.53 | Tekkub | must have finite scrolling |
| 22:58.31 | Aiiane | the only thing I could see smooth scrolling be viable for |
| 22:58.37 | Tekkub | detented mousewheels FTW! |
| 22:58.37 | Aiiane | is something like SupComm where it controls the zoom |
| 22:58.43 | Tekkub | detented pants, not so win |
| 22:58.44 | Aiiane | and thus precision doesnt really matter |
| 22:59.04 | Tekkub | or when you use the "smooth scroll" settings in your program |
| 22:59.12 | Tekkub | like browser, hate that also |
| 22:59.14 | Aiiane | but who the hell uses that |
| 22:59.19 | Tekkub | it should scroll x lines |
| 22:59.38 | Tekkub | god we're such programmers... need hard defined rules for everything |
| 22:59.48 | Shirik | it should |
| 22:59.55 | Shirik | most APIs allow you to specify that :/ |
| 23:00.30 | Shirik | what is "smooth scroll" setting? |
| 23:00.43 | Aiiane | smooth scroll typically means it interpolates between where it's going and where it's at |
| 23:01.01 | Shirik | in a program? |
| 23:01.05 | Aiiane | the annoyance being that you can't tell "where it's going" precisely until it finishes interpolating |
| 23:01.07 | Aiiane | in a program, yes |
| 23:01.16 | Shirik | that seems odd |
| 23:01.23 | Aiiane | in essence, its lowering its reaction time |
| 23:01.29 | Aiiane | to get a feeling of "smooth motion" |
| 23:01.37 | Aiiane | *reaction speed |
| 23:01.40 | Tekkub | shirik, it's usually like, instead of just shifting the page x lines and redrawing, it "slides" the page up |
| 23:01.41 | Aiiane | increasing the reaction time |
| 23:02.08 | Tekkub | so instead of 1 redraw, there's a dozen or so |
| 23:02.54 | Tekkub | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105093 |
| 23:02.59 | Tekkub | too many buttons! |
| 23:03.21 | Aiiane | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105018 |
| 23:03.26 | Aiiane | just the right number of buttons |
| 23:03.39 | Tekkub | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105183 |
| 23:03.47 | Tekkub | that's what I have now |
| 23:03.51 | Tekkub | might just get it again |
| 23:04.10 | Tekkub | I've always like MS's opti/laser mice |
| 23:04.15 | Aiiane | none of the new mice really have any more quality |
| 23:04.20 | Aiiane | most of them just add gimmicks |
| 23:04.32 | Thunder_Child | mmmm...gimmicks |
| 23:04.33 | Tekkub | yea, more buttons! lights! weights! |
| 23:04.43 | Aiiane | and... *shudder* smooth scrollwheels |
| 23:04.51 | Tekkub | rock the scroll wheel to the side! |
| 23:05.07 | Tekkub | never understood that myself, it's such an un-natural motion |
| 23:05.21 | Thunder_Child | there was a mouse i saw that had both attributes to the scroll wheel, noched when going slow and smooth when going fast |
| 23:05.45 | Tekkub | I kind like both buttons on the left though... you bump them on accident much? |
| 23:05.56 | Tekkub | mouse5 is so akward to hit on the right side |
| 23:06.26 | Kirov | I really like my Logitech MX510 |
| 23:07.21 | Aiiane | Tekkub: that's the first thing I look for in my mice |
| 23:07.24 | Aiiane | the buttons on the left side |
| 23:07.35 | Aiiane | it works so much better than splitting them on both sides |
| 23:08.09 | Tekkub | well I have my rarely-used despell type stuff bound to the right for now |
| 23:08.09 | Tekkub | so I never use it anyway |
| 23:08.09 | Kirov | I find the MS mice side buttons are too close together. |
| 23:08.09 | Aiiane | you don't bump them on accident because your thumb rests below them |
| 23:08.52 | Aiiane | they fit into the gap between thumb and index nicely in a rest position |
| 23:08.54 | Aiiane | anywho, afk dinner |
| 23:08.57 | Tekkub | what about in the morning when my brain's still half-functional and I randomly twitch? :) |
| 23:09.32 | Aiiane | no more so than you'd hit the buttons on another mouse |
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| 23:15.35 | foxlit | http://www.darkplanets.co.uk/popup_image.asp?pid=2832 << this |
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| 23:24.16 | Thunder_Child | you know ckknight, 200 panels is the reason a lot of people like pitbull |
| 23:24.37 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: it's still customizeable, it's just better laid out in PB4 |
| 23:24.49 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, just as? |
| 23:24.55 | ckknight | that's the idea |
| 23:24.59 | ckknight | well, moreso, actually |
| 23:25.15 | Thunder_Child | i assume it wont play friendly with 3? |
| 23:25.25 | randomfool | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/106085 what am i doing wrong? : / |
| 23:26.56 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: they're separate |
| 23:27.39 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, i meant toggleing them back and forth ingame |
| 23:27.39 | foxlit | you're missing a then |
| 23:29.03 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: you could theoretically do that |
| 23:29.09 | ckknight | I recommend ACP |
| 23:29.14 | ckknight | rather than having them both run at once |
| 23:29.25 | ckknight | since they're hard to disable |
| 23:29.25 | Thunder_Child | i have ACP |
| 23:29.40 | ckknight | well, try it out ;-) |
| 23:30.29 | Thunder_Child | see, this is why i never get my homework done |
| 23:32.47 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, odd, it wont DL or install it (with the curse client) |
| 23:32.58 | ckknight | hmm |
| 23:35.51 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, seems you have no files |
| 23:36.10 | ckknight | only alphas |
| 23:36.33 | Thunder_Child | well it shows up since you have a page for it on curse |
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| 23:39.10 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, the amusing part is that it even has a link to dl via the CC...but wont |
| 23:39.29 | ckknight | top overanalyzing |
| 23:39.30 | ckknight | stop* |
| 23:40.19 | Thunder_Child | your right, i should stop pointing out problems |
| 23:41.43 | WobWork | dear god |
| 23:41.52 | WobWork | Thunder_Child will wither away if so! |
| 23:44.13 | ckknight | it's more that it's the weekend and I just don't care |
| 23:50.39 | randomfool | can anyone point out what im doing wrong? |
| 23:51.46 | ZorbaTHut | random, first tell us what the problem with it is |
| 23:52.43 | randomfool | well, it doesn't add the message when bok gets casted |
| 23:53.53 | randomfool | i just want to add a message to the main chat window whenever anyone casts bok |
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| 23:55.10 | ZorbaTHut | I'd start by adding messages before each conditional there. See how many messages are triggered. From there, you'll be able to track down which of your conditionals is failing, and then, hopefully, find out why. |
| 23:56.06 | randomfool | now thats a nice idea |
| 23:56.11 | randomfool | thanks ill check it out |
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