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| 00:02.28 | kamdis | hi cog! |
| 00:02.36 | kamdis | eww cricket paste |
| 00:02.41 | cog|work | HI2U |
| 00:02.50 | Thunder_Child | you know you like it kamdis |
| 00:03.06 | cog|work | insects are actually pretty tasty |
| 00:03.11 | cog|work | at least the ones i've had... |
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| 00:06.10 | Thunder_Child | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=1144 |
| 00:06.59 | ZorbaTHut | nice, my nesingwary 3k sold |
| 00:07.21 | NeoTron | cog|work: so please tell me you don't ACTUALLY have cricket paste! ;-) |
| 00:08.05 | NeoTron | because clearly crickets should be consumed roasted so they retain their crunchiness, not smashed into a paste |
| 00:10.17 | foxlit | "We're going to finish this right now, Malganis... just you and me... and those five random strangers" |
| 00:10.41 | Amarande | happiness is three item upgrades from one Ahn'kahet heroic run |
| 00:10.50 | Amarande | wait ... actually, four item upgrades |
| 00:10.56 | Amarande | since that bumped me up to honored with Kirin Tor |
| 00:11.10 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I had an Archavon run a while back that dropped two druid items |
| 00:11.13 | ZorbaTHut | our sole druid was very, very happy |
| 00:11.30 | Thunder_Child | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=432 |
| 00:11.39 | Thunder_Child | and you people all do it |
| 00:11.56 | cog|work | NeoTron: i would've prefered the whole crickets but Zyndrome had to be a meanie :'( |
| 00:12.19 | Thunder_Child | pan fried crickets cog|work, go make some |
| 00:13.41 | Amarande | ooh, sweet. you can farm honor in PvE now |
| 00:13.56 | Olorin | damnit, only I could make a bit of addon code so wrong it causes wow.exe to appcrash lol |
| 00:14.08 | Zyndrome | I'd spare the crickets but I just wanted to tell you that you just lost the game |
| 00:14.13 | kamdis | crickets are supposed to be very good for you |
| 00:14.21 | Thunder_Child | not really Olorin, you are at the end of a rather long line |
| 00:14.24 | kamdis | i don't think i could bring myself to eat them unless it was that or death |
| 00:14.38 | ZorbaTHut | olorin, I managed to find a bug in the WoW API :) |
| 00:14.44 | ZorbaTHut | two innocuous lines that caused it to crash on startup |
| 00:14.53 | Amarande | dammit, Zyndrome |
| 00:14.57 | Amarande | you just made me lose the game |
| 00:15.00 | ZorbaTHut | (querying a specific achievement and creating a frame - that's all you needed) |
| 00:15.18 | Olorin | great, was just trying to get the the scrollframe thing to work |
| 00:15.29 | Thunder_Child | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=1335 |
| 00:16.55 | ZorbaTHut | hahah, I'm reading a thread where people talk about how lazy they are in WoW. http://img.waffleimages.com/fbe96050db16b1ae7002dd8e563f6ca9f70fdd2f/lazyportal.jpg I think this one wins |
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| 00:28.30 | Thunder_Child | wow, that IS bad taste http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=2169 |
| 00:35.05 | Kaso | Ive seen that picture before, and i love it every time |
| 00:37.22 | Thunder_Child | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=560 |
| 00:39.52 | Aiiane | yeah... i don't think id even be comfortable going out of my room in that dress Kaso |
| 00:40.26 | Thunder_Child | does that mean you would fit into it Aiiane? |
| 00:40.35 | Kaso | Its just a wonderful insight into the mind of that person, when they decided, YES! *THIS* is how i want to look on my wedding day |
| 00:40.35 | kamdis | I love when people on the forums put forth opinions about gear/stats that just flat out wrong, because someone posted it on EJ so it MUST be true. |
| 00:40.46 | kamdis | Do not question the almighty Elitist Jerks forums! |
| 00:41.20 | Tekkub | well, if you're going to pay to get huge bags, why wouldn't the be the centerpiece of your wedding dress? |
| 00:41.30 | Kaso | EJ are usually right, but the problem is the people who are posting about what EJ said arent often getting the message quite right i find |
| 00:41.38 | Tekkub | it should say to people, look, this is why he's marrying me and not you |
| 00:42.02 | Aiiane | they're not really the centerpiece of the *dress* per se though |
| 00:42.06 | Aiiane | at least, not in that shot |
| 00:42.19 | Tekkub | sure there are, where did you look first |
| 00:42.22 | Tekkub | that's the center |
| 00:42.32 | kamdis | There's a glaring error in the Death Knight DPS Compendium "bible" on EJ |
| 00:42.44 | kamdis | not that what prompted my comment is referring to that though |
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| 00:42.59 | kamdis | but yes, they usually get things right |
| 00:43.13 | WobWork | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/07/AR2009010703430.html |
| 00:43.17 | WobWork | what an awful mistake =\ |
| 00:44.16 | kamdis | wow that's horrible |
| 00:44.36 | Olorin | could someone please look at this http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105861 and tell me why the contents of the ScrollFrameChild isnt being constrained to only showing the height /width of the scrollframe ? |
| 00:45.47 | WobWork | woo, hacky =) |
| 00:46.17 | WobWork | personally, I'd use a whole lot of local references instead of the global lookups |
| 00:46.23 | WobWork | but that'd be just to make it easier to read |
| 00:46.27 | WobWork | (for one) |
| 00:46.42 | WobWork | and faster access for the other |
| 00:48.36 | Thunder_Child | this is awesome http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=8060 |
| 00:48.58 | Thunder_Child | i need to write checks like that too |
| 00:49.11 | Aiiane | lol xkcd |
| 00:49.30 | Pytlask | Yah, that check was made by Randall Munroe :P |
| 00:49.44 | Amarande | Aiiane: my favorite xkcd is still the one with the bra with a Rubix cube clasp |
| 00:49.57 | Olison | link please |
| 00:50.20 | Aiiane | http://xkcd.com/457/ |
| 00:50.56 | Corrodias | you have to wonder just what circumstances have caused someone unfamiliar with the bra to be the one to remove it |
| 00:51.05 | Olison | haha Aiiane :D |
| 00:51.26 | Thunder_Child | uhhh..not a hard thought Corrodias |
| 00:51.39 | Kaso | Corrodias clearly has a pure mind |
| 00:52.05 | Corrodias | -i- would think that a woman in a willing state of mind would remove it herself |
| 00:52.17 | Thunder_Child | i think thats impossible after hanging around here Kaso |
| 00:52.23 | Kaso | lol |
| 00:52.37 | Thunder_Child | sometimes Corrodias, thats part of the enjoyment |
| 00:53.20 | Corrodias | no doubt, but if they have a reputation for being tricky... |
| 00:53.44 | Thunder_Child | practace. fun in more ways that one |
| 00:53.51 | Thunder_Child | s/that/than/ |
| 00:53.58 | Corrodias | practice |
| 00:54.04 | Thunder_Child | yes that |
| 00:58.07 | Kirov | ZorbaTHut - you found a way to crash WoW? |
| 00:59.57 | Amarande | Corrodias: some women would rather lay back and have the man strip them, I suppose |
| 01:00.10 | Amarande | and bra clasps have a reputation for being annoying, apparently |
| 01:00.23 | Corrodias | i can see that being arousing, but when something has a Reputation, i'd expect them to help out |
| 01:00.58 | Amarande | hmm, time to roll a tank, I guess |
| 01:01.13 | Corrodias | ever played one before? |
| 01:01.28 | Amarande | Corr: yeah, I played a prot pally to level 62 |
| 01:01.35 | Amarande | I think I'm going to go druid this time, though |
| 01:01.43 | Corrodias | druid was mine |
| 01:01.51 | Amarande | druid is one of the two classes I've not tried yet |
| 01:01.54 | Aiiane | i can see how some might be frustrating, but others really shouldn't be >.> |
| 01:02.06 | Aiiane | at least, if the guy has any idea how they work at all :P |
| 01:02.22 | Corrodias | i know i don't |
| 01:03.20 | Corrodias | i enjoyed the fact that the druid could serve as melee dps and tanking in the same spec, at least in BC. and healing was there too, with a little respec. |
| 01:03.31 | Corrodias | i got to try out plenty of playstyles with my main character |
| 01:04.40 | WobWork | Amarande: DK tank mebbe? |
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| 01:06.13 | Shirik | How do you enable channel moderation? |
| 01:06.38 | WobWork | in wow? |
| 01:06.54 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:07.13 | WobWork | not sure, but try /help |
| 01:07.15 | WobWork | or /chanhelp |
| 01:07.37 | Shirik | yeah tried that, didn't see anything :/ |
| 01:07.52 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.54 | Kaso | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/slashcommands.html |
| 01:08.02 | Shirik | did nothing |
| 01:08.13 | WobWork | are you the owner? |
| 01:08.15 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:08.19 | Shirik | it said not a valid command |
| 01:08.58 | Shirik | maybe they removed that |
| 01:09.07 | Shirik | because I can remove voice without needing to turn it on |
| 01:09.29 | Diao | hmm with the ingame calendar, if i create a guild announcement.. what's the point if people have to actually open the calendar to see the announcement? |
| 01:09.38 | Diao | it doesn't cause the minimap button to flash or anything |
| 01:12.24 | ZorbaTHut | kirov, yeah, a while back. I think it's fixed in 3.0.8 |
| 01:13.00 | Amarande | Wob: I don't really know the art of DK tanking, it seems to be somewhat difficult from what I hear |
| 01:13.07 | Amarande | I only played a DK up to 66, and that as DPS |
| 01:13.15 | WobWork | not difficult per se |
| 01:13.18 | foxlit | everything you know is wrong |
| 01:13.36 | WobWork | Merely deciding what cycle to use depending on what sort of tanking you're doing |
| 01:13.47 | Corrodias | black is white, up is down, and short is long |
| 01:14.12 | ZorbaTHut | and cubes are spherical |
| 01:14.24 | Corrodias | now i have to play that song. bastard. |
| 01:14.43 | WobWork | And everything you thought was so important |
| 01:14.43 | foxlit | # and everything you thought was just so important doesn't matter... |
| 01:14.57 | WobWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.17 | Corrodias | just forget the words and sing along |
| 01:15.33 | Aiiane | all you need to understand is... |
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| 01:16.02 | WobWork | Amarande: since DKs are not rage dependant, everything is in what series of attacks you use in a particular order |
| 01:16.14 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 01:16.18 | Shirik | 5 of our raiders can't make it today |
| 01:16.21 | Shirik | They... |
| 01:16.23 | Corrodias | yes, but a druid can HEAL >:o |
| 01:16.23 | WobWork | ie, aoe tanking means you use bloodboil instead of bloodstrike |
| 01:16.25 | Shirik | locked themselves out |
| 01:16.30 | Shirik | 5 instance limit |
| 01:16.33 | KarlKFI | O.o |
| 01:16.36 | WobWork | >< |
| 01:16.41 | Corrodias | 5... per day? |
| 01:16.44 | Shirik | hour |
| 01:16.45 | KarlKFI | 5 instances of waht |
| 01:16.48 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 01:16.50 | WobWork | jesus =P |
| 01:16.54 | Corrodias | can't you just delay by like 10 minutes, then? |
| 01:16.56 | KarlKFI | never hit that one... |
| 01:16.58 | Shirik | I don't know wtf they were doing |
| 01:17.04 | Shirik | no screw them Corrodias :P |
| 01:17.06 | WobWork | I have when farming Auch halls =) |
| 01:17.17 | Amarande | it must be really really fun to raid during Brewfest or Hallow's End. :| |
| 01:17.20 | Corrodias | oh, sure, if you have 5 other people who can perform well, go right ahead |
| 01:17.24 | WobWork | for that damn BS recipe |
| 01:17.32 | Corrodias | if you -don't-, then it's more like "screw us all" |
| 01:17.50 | Olorin | shirik dunno if i missed somthing but you have to do /moderator <channel name> <player name> |
| 01:18.00 | Shirik | I didn't want to promote someone to moderator |
| 01:18.04 | Shirik | I just wanted to enable moderation |
| 01:18.08 | Shirik | which apparently you don't need to do anymore |
| 01:18.30 | Olorin | ah ok |
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| 01:19.54 | Olorin | someone please save my sanity and tell me why this scrollframe doesnt constrain its contents http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105861 |
| 01:20.31 | foxlit | _G["You're insane"] |
| 01:20.55 | Olorin | thats somthing i knew |
| 01:20.57 | foxlit | no, wait, that's not how it works |
| 01:21.05 | foxlit | _G[ localeDefs["youareinsane"] ] |
| 01:22.33 | Olorin | but my issue is with the framing not my use of _G lol |
| 01:22.40 | Kaso | why the hell are you doing that though... |
| 01:23.09 | WobWork | This I would like to know too =) |
| 01:23.23 | WobWork | You will be more sane if you use locals |
| 01:23.42 | Olorin | cause i want to develop a custom menu that you can throw a table with menu definitions and table of data and have it build a menu |
| 01:23.45 | foxlit | What was that signature about teaching insane people how to fish? |
| 01:24.25 | WobWork | Olorin: What's that to do with using global lookups? |
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| 01:25.20 | Olorin | not sure what you mean, using _G cause I dont know how to build up a local varibale name lol |
| 01:25.28 | Olorin | from strings |
| 01:26.22 | Olorin | besides I was gonna look into that once i got the understanding of scrollframes |
| 01:26.51 | WobWork | When you create a frame with a name, the global name of the frame is set in the function |
| 01:27.11 | WobWork | CreateFrame("FRAME",bcsSFDef["bcsSFDefFrameName"],bcsSFDef["bcsSFDefFrameParent"]); |
| 01:27.27 | WobWork | creates a frame with a global reference of bcsSFDef["bcsSFDefFrameName"] already, doesn't it? |
| 01:27.31 | Kaso | also bcsSFDef.bcsSFDefScrollFrameName is like overly excessively redundant and makes it hard to read >< |
| 01:28.12 | Kirov | Olorin - local variables can't be defined by a string. However, it is possible to make a table and define variables in the table you can build with a string. |
| 01:28.20 | WobWork | also, if you do "local MyFrame = _G[bcsSFDef["bcsSFDefFrameParent"]]" |
| 01:28.23 | Olorin | not sure what you mean wob |
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| 01:28.37 | WobWork | you can then use MyFrame to reference that ... without the global lookup |
| 01:28.56 | Olorin | ah ok, ill work on changing it over |
| 01:28.59 | WobWork | When you call CreateFrame, you're creating a frame, right? |
| 01:29.03 | WobWork | That frame has a name |
| 01:29.06 | Olorin | yes |
| 01:29.09 | WobWork | that can be referenced globally |
| 01:29.20 | WobWork | You already know that name |
| 01:29.33 | Olorin | it displays the contents just fine but its not constrained to the frame its supposed ot be in |
| 01:29.37 | WobWork | bcsSFDef["bcsSFDefFrameName"] |
| 01:29.44 | WobWork | yes, fine |
| 01:29.57 | WobWork | but if you clean up your code, and make it more readable, it might be easier to find the butgs |
| 01:30.13 | WobWork | at the moment, for me, it's just a mishmash of SFDEFBSFs |
| 01:30.23 | WobWork | and it's incredibly difficult to figure out what is what |
| 01:30.45 | foxlit | this["syntax"] = evil |
| 01:30.55 | Olorin | if i had a working lua version of a scrollframe i could figure it but i dont lol got mixed lua /xml |
| 01:30.58 | WobWork | this also ^ |
| 01:31.17 | WobWork | bcsSFDef.bcsSFDefFrameName |
| 01:31.33 | Corrodias | that's one hell of a name |
| 01:31.41 | foxlit | and, noticing that bcsSFDef.bcsSFDef makes no sense whatsoever, cut it down to just bcsSFDef.FrameName |
| 01:31.42 | WobWork | Yeah, you need to simplify that down too |
| 01:31.55 | Olorin | I guess its classic case of little knowlege is dangersous thing |
| 01:32.05 | Aiiane | ..why the heck do you have a variable named bcsSFDef |
| 01:32.06 | WobWork | remember, if you use a local scope, you don't have to worry about unique namespaces |
| 01:32.08 | Olorin | well actually it makes sense to me |
| 01:32.24 | foxlit | Aiiane: right. I name my variables nicely |
| 01:32.26 | WobWork | and you can use more obvious variable names |
| 01:32.32 | foxlit | local cake = not not not true; |
| 01:32.41 | foxlit | local function eat() end |
| 01:32.54 | kd3 | cake! |
| 01:32.55 | Krames | you did not just go there |
| 01:33.02 | Aiiane | local function true() return not false end |
| 01:33.11 | foxlit | assert(not eat(cake), "Where the heck is this trainwreck of a joke going?") |
| 01:33.15 | Olorin | bcsSFDef is table for bcs = my initials, SF - scrollframe , name of addon kinda, Def being Definitions |
| 01:33.55 | WobWork | local Definitions = bcsSFDef |
| 01:34.15 | WobWork | Definitions.Name |
| 01:34.16 | foxlit | local def = Definitions |
| 01:34.21 | foxlit | local d = def |
| 01:34.33 | WobWork | local _ = d |
| 01:34.40 | WobWork | now you're just being silly |
| 01:34.44 | foxlit | meh, _ takes more effort to write |
| 01:35.09 | foxlit | I'm _always_ silly. |
| 01:35.10 | WobWork | foxlit: also, I've had a friend who used single letter alphabet for her variables |
| 01:35.19 | WobWork | in alphabetical order |
| 01:35.20 | Olorin | ok i'll try and tidy it up some but if anyone got basic code for a scrolling frame not scroll frame faux it would be appreciated |
| 01:35.25 | WobWork | then double letters when she ran out |
| 01:35.41 | foxlit | WobWork: Your friend likes Excel, I see |
| 01:35.49 | WobWork | Trying to debug was cause for stabbing at times |
| 01:36.38 | Aiiane | b = a m = kk oo = q |
| 01:36.51 | Amarande | well |
| 01:36.59 | Amarande | when I first started coding, it was on a Commodore with BASIC |
| 01:37.09 | Amarande | back then, variables were only -allowed- to have up to two letters in their name |
| 01:37.35 | foxlit | You had letters! |
| 01:38.09 | Aiiane | pssh |
| 01:38.18 | foxlit | back in [not] my day, [not] we could only use numbers! |
| 01:38.18 | Aiiane | do it with pure machine opcode |
| 01:39.08 | Codayus | http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 01:40.24 | Aiiane | meta-butterfly, ofcourse |
| 01:40.28 | Olorin | Kirov: I didnt miss your suggestion either, thanks |
| 01:41.09 | Krames | I'm still fairly new to LUA and i was thinking about making a rune addon of some sort also displaying runic power. What i'm wondering about is if the runic power would be classified under UnitPower? |
| 01:41.14 | krka | Krames: LUA, what's that? Did you mean to say Lua? ;-) |
| 01:41.24 | Krames | heh, yea |
| 01:41.29 | Krames | shift happy |
| 01:42.42 | Kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitPowerType |
| 01:42.50 | Krames | now i feel like a dolt |
| 01:43.26 | Krames | must've missed that while scolling through. |
| 01:43.45 | Krames | thank you |
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| 01:58.21 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:58.39 | Amarande | am I going to hate soloing in bear form, since so many of the talents on the build I have for a druid tank are bear-specific? |
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| 02:04.38 | Corrodias | i don't think anybody solos in bear form, except for very strong enemies |
| 02:04.52 | Corrodias | * except for the few levels until cat form is available |
| 02:06.28 | Corrodias | cat form takes more damage (from physical attacks) but outputs a lot more. and you can always take a few seconds to heal yourself, since you're not using mana to fight. |
| 02:08.09 | Corrodias | i don't know how much has changed in 3.0 and after, but from 2.0 to 2.4, the talent options let you choose to have bascially 95% power in both forms |
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| 02:11.20 | Amarande | hm. also, any idea why my color picker is bugged out? |
| 02:11.33 | Amarande | I went to set transparency on my chat pane and the color picker ends up all the way on the right |
| 02:11.37 | Amarande | and I can't move it, either |
| 02:12.31 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.37 | Amarande | yeah, that worked |
| 02:16.40 | Amarande | not sure why it bugged up though |
| 02:17.01 | Amarande | also, do tauren walk faster than other races or does it just feel like it because Mulgore's not a lagfest? :) |
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| 02:19.25 | Kirov | all characters move at exactly the same speed |
| 02:19.49 | Kirov | I always felt that tauren walked slower though |
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| 02:20.47 | Corrodias | they're scaled larger, so the animations are slower, yeah. they do feel slow compared to gnomes, especially, but aren't. |
| 02:25.43 | Aiiane | ring ring ring ring ring ring ring... http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=4962 |
| 02:29.23 | foxlit | Hm, 3am |
| 02:29.37 | foxlit | Internal clock appears dead after new year's |
| 02:30.01 | Hirsute | Tekkub: Do you want error reports for picoDPS, and if so, where? |
| 02:31.19 | Tekkub | if it's beta, yes, same place as everything else |
| 02:31.36 | Tekkub | but no one reads bold text in descriptions anyway :P |
| 02:32.05 | Tekkub | if it's the thing with UNIT_PET I need to know what unit is getting passed :P |
| 02:32.10 | Thunder_Child | bold: misformatted text |
| 02:32.22 | Hirsute | Heh. My apologies, I had forgotten where I got the addon from. |
| 02:33.25 | Aiiane | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/fail-owned-best-failboat-ever-fail.jpg |
| 02:37.19 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: January 08, 2009 6:30PM PST. |
| 02:37.19 | Shiibot | We currently have Free Character Moves available for select high population realms to lower population realms to help alleviate population issues. To access this feature and see if your realm is available for transfers, please visit your Account Management page at www.worldofwarcraft.com/account and select the .Free Character Move. link. |
| 02:37.19 | Shiibot | The following PvP realms have transfers available: . . Arthas . Barthilas . Bleeding Hollow . Bonechewer . Burning Blade . Burning Legion . Destromath . Dragonmaw . Emerald Dream . Frostmourne . Illidan . Jubei'Thos . Kel'Thuzad |
| 02:37.22 | Tekkub | Hirsute, is it the thing in UNIT_PET? |
| 02:37.34 | Tekkub | shut your bothole hsiibii |
| 02:37.41 | Tekkub | s/hs/sh/ |
| 02:37.48 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Tekkub |
| 02:37.49 | purl | Tekkub: FAIL! |
| 02:37.52 | Hirsute | Tekkub: No, random nil value 'id' errors. |
| 02:37.59 | Tekkub | okey |
| 02:38.08 | Hirsute | My wife got the error (it's on her computer) so I'll post it when she's done playing. |
| 02:39.04 | Tekkub | k |
| 02:39.04 | Hirsute | Those ones and the occasional error from Cart3 are the only ones we're still getting. Though, the lack of a Dalaran map in Cart3 is pushing me to look for something else. |
| 02:39.21 | Tekkub | who needs Cart :P |
| 02:39.27 | Hirsute | Heh. |
| 02:39.28 | Tekkub | tekMapEnhancer |
| 02:39.32 | Tekkub | + TomTom |
| 02:39.39 | Corrodias | cart was the shit in 2.4 |
| 02:39.42 | Hirsute | Are you serious? Have you written an addon for everything? |
| 02:39.46 | Tekkub | s/the // |
| 02:39.55 | kd3 | whee! arenas can only last 44:59 now |
| 02:39.56 | Tekkub | everything I need an addon for, yea |
| 02:40.04 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute, Tekkub just likes whoring himself |
| 02:40.06 | kd3 | -16 points to both teams if it hits the 45 minute mark |
| 02:40.55 | Hirsute | it looks like a good start, but there are features I'm missing there. |
| 02:41.05 | Aiiane | the sad thing is that such was necessary in the first place, kd3 |
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| 02:41.47 | Hirsute | Replacing the blank unvisited parts of the map with shaded bits, notes and waypoints, etc. |
| 02:41.54 | kd3 | meh |
| 02:42.15 | kd3 | c'mon nyquil. kick in! I wanna crash |
| 02:42.44 | Hirsute | Went from metamap to cart3 with the Wrath, still looking for a good solid replacement for both. I really like the Google-maps style zooming in Cart3, though. It's slick. |
| 02:43.18 | Tekkub | see the problem is not finding something that does all that crap |
| 02:43.25 | Tekkub | it's realizing you don't need that crap |
| 02:43.33 | Thunder_Child | no one needs any of it |
| 02:43.37 | Thunder_Child | it's simply handy |
| 02:43.44 | Hirsute | Tekkub: I may not need it, but I *like* it. |
| 02:44.14 | Tekkub | okey then what you need to do is dig in the code until you don't like it anymore |
| 02:44.21 | Hirsute | heh |
| 02:44.25 | Tekkub | then you'll either drop it, or write your own better version |
| 02:45.08 | foxlit | Or you could solve more interesting problems then re-implementing someone else's design mistakes :) |
| 02:45.36 | Hirsute | Or, I could find something that works, and doesn't cause noticeable problems, and play the game. *grin* |
| 02:46.15 | Tekkub | pfft, playing |
| 02:46.24 | foxlit | "I've learned to scavenge for first aid kits that contain medication-filled syrettes. They're conveniently located anywhere I'm likely to get shot." |
| 02:47.05 | Tekkub | you mean like, the ones that you run over and they heal you? |
| 02:47.14 | foxlit | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/op-ed/5637-Far-Cry-2s-Incendiary-Nonsensibility |
| 02:47.33 | Tekkub | oh so I was right |
| 02:47.52 | foxlit | "It's handy, having them around to save my ass, but I have to wonder: don't they have anything better to do? How exactly do they know when I'm down? And why don't they ever want a ride back to town?" |
| 02:48.48 | Syzgyn | Ahhh, another night, another 1100+ Queue |
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| 02:51.08 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, that last question always got to me as well |
| 02:52.09 | Tekkub | Syzgyn, 280 I WIN |
| 02:52.19 | Syzgyn | ~lart Tekkub |
| 02:52.19 | purl | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to Tekkub, and goes postal |
| 02:52.39 | Syzgyn | Down to 838 after 45 min |
| 02:57.54 | Syzgyn | Lawl my guild is failing at Malygos while I'm in queue |
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| 03:03.38 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: January 08, 2009 6:30PM PST. |
| 03:03.38 | Shiibot | We currently have Free Character Moves available for select high population realms to lower population realms to help alleviate population issues. To access this feature and see if your realm is available for transfers, please visit your Account Management page at www.worldofwarcraft.com/account and select the "Free Character Move" link. |
| 03:03.38 | Shiibot | The following PvP realms have transfers available: . . Arthas . Barthilas . Bleeding Hollow . Bonechewer . Burning Blade . Burning Legion . Destromath . Dragonmaw . Emerald Dream . Frostmourne . Illidan . Jubei'Thos . Kel'Thuzad |
| 03:05.03 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 03:05.10 | Amarande | there are no specialty LW sets at all after 70? |
| 03:06.26 | Tekkub | you mean BoP stuff, they dun dided away with those for everyone |
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| 03:08.41 | foxlit | yeah, qq@that |
| 03:11.27 | Codayus | Meh, the lvl 70 implementation was pretty lame all the way around. |
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| 03:13.11 | Codayus | If you were a tailor, you crafted your epic set before you set foot in Kara, and kept it until T5 or in some cases, T6. Boring as *hell*. Meanwhile the other crafting professions wished like hell they had anything half as powerful. :-) |
| 03:14.37 | Syzgyn | Yay@Transfers off of Kel'Thuzad |
| 03:14.37 | Corrodias | i hated all forms of crafting :| |
| 03:14.38 | Xinhuan | how long does wowi keep archived zips for |
| 03:15.05 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: read the front page |
| 03:15.16 | Xinhuan | oh |
| 03:15.48 | Xinhuan | "I used the date that was a week before the 3.0 patch." |
| 03:15.51 | foxlit | Until next dolby failure |
| 03:15.56 | Xinhuan | that doesn't realy make much sense |
| 03:16.03 | Xinhuan | because the only archived copy of omen is 3.0.4 |
| 03:16.14 | Xinhuan | and every version of omen3 is after nov 13 |
| 03:16.19 | Arrowmaster | maybe he ment wrath release instead? |
| 03:16.27 | Xinhuan | i mean oct 13 |
| 03:17.24 | Arrowmaster | fuck these dailies, i want my white bear |
| 03:17.37 | Arrowmaster | i mean another white bear |
| 03:17.41 | foxlit | "Blah (A dynamic static messenger)" |
| 03:17.53 | foxlit | how nice. |
| 03:19.03 | Amarande | what's odd today is I could get a group for heroic OK and heroic HoS, but not the -daily- heroic |
| 03:19.34 | foxlit | What was the daily heroic? |
| 03:20.07 | Amarande | Gun'Drak |
| 03:21.29 | foxlit | meh, nice place. |
| 03:21.40 | foxlit | Your own fault for going to HoS/OK! :) |
| 03:21.50 | Amarande | wonder if everyone did it in the morning and were all saved already |
| 03:23.40 | foxlit | Keep losing rolls on the bronze drake |
| 03:23.54 | foxlit | On the other hand, doing Culling with a good group is just a breeze. |
| 03:24.01 | Tewan | foxlit, is your group retarded? |
| 03:24.07 | Tewan | If so, just do /roll 100-100 |
| 03:24.07 | Tewan | :P |
| 03:24.35 | foxlit | a kingdom for a raidspot! |
| 03:24.53 | foxlit | Would you believe that NO ONE WANTS TANKS? |
| 03:25.27 | Codayus | foxlit: Yes. |
| 03:25.53 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 03:25.57 | foxlit | Those heartless, heartless people |
| 03:27.13 | foxlit | Meh, perhaps in a patch or two. |
| 03:27.31 | foxlit | when tanking would move a little bit beyond the reach of my army of drinking birds |
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| 03:36.36 | Endeavour | could somebody help me with something easy? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105867 |
| 03:41.37 | Syzgyn | whats the /script command to release from your body again? |
| 03:41.55 | Hirsute | ./wrists? |
| 03:42.00 | Syzgyn | har har |
| 03:42.09 | Hirsute | Endeavour: What happens if you change arg1 to item? |
| 03:42.15 | Hirsute | Syzgyn: Sorry, I'm no help. |
| 03:42.21 | Syzgyn | I know :P |
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| 03:44.06 | Endeavour | Hirsute: arg1 is item, was a copy/paste fault in pastey. solved the issue by changing the regex from |c(.+)|r to |c(.-)|r |
| 03:44.32 | Hirsute | Syzgyn: Did you try RepopMe() |
| 03:44.33 | Hirsute | ? |
| 03:44.40 | Hirsute | Endeavour: Okay, glad you got it fixed. |
| 03:44.43 | Syzgyn | I'm not logged in, its for a guildie |
| 03:44.51 | Endeavour | Hirsute: Thanks :) |
| 03:44.53 | Hirsute | ~api RepopMe() |
| 03:44.54 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_RepopMe() |
| 03:47.54 | Arrowmaster | dont use ~api its useless, use !api |
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| 03:52.15 | mikma | help! |
| 03:52.32 | mikma | i need icon for vulture |
| 03:52.33 | Thunder_Child | ~help mikma |
| 03:52.35 | mikma | i was thinking about some carrion-icon, but does wow have any |
| 03:52.37 | Hirsute | !api RepopMe |
| 03:52.38 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'RepopMe' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/RepopMe |
| 03:52.48 | mikma | so basicly, i need a list of icons with images |
| 03:53.44 | Hirsute | Yes, absolutely, much more useful. |
| 03:55.04 | Thunder_Child | huh, 4.9 quake just hit some miles away |
| 03:55.15 | mikma | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:WoW_Icons/Icon_List <- huuuuge |
| 03:55.38 | Thunder_Child | http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Maps/US2/33.35.-118.-116.php |
| 03:57.27 | mikma | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Ability_Hunter_Pet_Vulture.png |
| 03:57.28 | mikma | perfect :D |
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| 04:06.37 | Dashkal | I need a reality check, my math seems too good to be true. What's the chance that a level 83 (boss) will parry one of my attacks? |
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| 04:17.42 | AnduinLothar | varries by boss |
| 04:17.46 | AnduinLothar | and expertise |
| 04:18.09 | Dashkal | Wait what? Varies by boss? Is there a hidden number? |
| 04:18.23 | Dashkal | Ignore expertiese (I'm trying to find the expertise level required to not be parried) |
| 04:19.03 | Thunder_Child | "One Rabbi says that Jewish law forbids the ingestion of Viagra on Shabbat, lest one violate the infraction of erecting a structure on the Sabbath." >.< |
| 04:19.09 | AnduinLothar | last i read it varried per boss, yes. let me try and find a reference |
| 04:20.07 | Arrowmaster | yeah some bosses have like 5% while others have 20% |
| 04:20.19 | Dashkal | What's throwing me is by my math, the chance to be parried is 5.6% for a mob three levels above. Unless they have parry rating somehow |
| 04:20.49 | Dashkal | I have 5.75% anti-parry (some expertiese in my tanking gear and the human racial) |
| 04:21.02 | Dashkal | leading me to wonder if I could actually pull off DW tanking :p |
| 04:26.13 | Dashkal | TankSpot is reporting 14.25% chance to parry for bosses, but no source on that number *sigh* |
| 04:28.11 | WobWork | I was under the impression that the amount of expertise required made DK DW not viable |
| 04:28.28 | WobWork | since you'd be stacking expertise so much you won't have itemisation for anything else |
| 04:28.39 | Dashkal | This is what I'm investigating |
| 04:28.55 | Dashkal | Though I just saw a gear-out linked from TS that would make it work |
| 04:30.20 | Dashkal | In 10 man/heroic gear, even. ilvl 200 stuff |
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| 04:58.57 | Diao | Dashkal: the source is parsed combat logs |
| 05:00.10 | WobWork | hehe Death Derby |
| 05:00.27 | WobWork | Head to Heroic OS, mount up |
| 05:00.29 | WobWork | Then do laps |
| 05:00.34 | WobWork | Last person standing wins =) |
| 05:00.51 | WobWork | (Probably the tailor on the vehicled carpet =P) |
| 05:04.27 | Xinhuan | wtb wowi moderator to approve omen 3.0.6 ;p |
| 05:07.10 | Cairenn | NO! |
| 05:07.49 | Cairenn | sorry, my desktop widget hadn't refreshed, didn't realize it was sitting in the queue |
| 05:07.57 | Cairenn | all approved now :) |
| 05:10.06 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 05:10.40 | Shirik | I refuse |
| 05:10.44 | Shirik | I will unapprove it |
| 05:10.50 | Shirik | just to make Cairenn do it again |
| 05:10.58 | Cairenn | :p |
| 05:11.05 | Xinhuan | does that make the desktop widget refresh ;p |
| 05:11.20 | Xinhuan | that'll be a good way to annoy everyone! |
| 05:11.30 | Cairenn | heh, no, me doing a manual refresh on it fixes it :p |
| 05:12.10 | Shirik | need a blackberry app for queue |
| 05:14.47 | Shirik | That being said |
| 05:14.49 | Shirik | nini |
| 05:14.58 | Shirik | This 9 AM class is going to kill me |
| 05:15.12 | Shirik | Can't believe my only class on Wed. / Fri. is at 9 AM |
| 05:15.15 | Shirik | wtf am I supposed to do |
| 05:17.16 | Shirik | !deop Shirik |
| 05:17.31 | Shirik | no fantasy commands here either :( |
| 05:20.11 | Shirik|zZz | as I was saying |
| 05:20.11 | Shirik|zZz | nini |
| 05:24.48 | Cairenn | sweet dreams Shirik|zZz |
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| 06:18.40 | Thunder_Child | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105871 |
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| 06:32.41 | Cairenn|afk | lol, those are cute, thanks Thunder_Child |
| 06:33.48 | Thunder_Child | welcome Cairenn|afk, but i more found them sad than funny. |
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| 07:42.54 | fcrick | anyone know what setAllPoints="true" does for a texture? |
| 07:44.05 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8xHDdGh5jM |
| 07:44.18 | Wobin | Doesn't it stretch the texture to the size of the frame? |
| 07:45.38 | Kirov | fcrick - it sets all 4 corners to the 4 corners of it's parent |
| 07:46.47 | Kirov | local f = CreateFrame() |
| 07:46.47 | Kirov | local t = f:CreateTexture() |
| 07:46.47 | Kirov | t:SetTexture(0,0,0) |
| 07:46.47 | Kirov | t:SetAlpha(0.1) |
| 07:46.47 | Kirov | t:SetAllPoints() |
| 07:46.51 | Kirov | instant background |
| 07:47.09 | fcrick | ahh k thanks |
| 07:48.51 | fcrick | if you don't pass an argument it assumes the parent, then? |
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| 08:11.00 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: January 08, 2009 11:55PM PST. |
| 08:11.00 | Shiibot | We will be performing a series of rolling restarts on all realms on Friday, January 09, The restarts for all US realms will begin at 5:00am PST and all Oceanic realms will begin at 10:00am PST Friday, January 09.. . Thank you,. |
| 08:11.00 | Shiibot | Blizzard Entertainment. . . . . . January 08, 2009 6:30PM PST. |
| 08:11.12 | Thunder_Child | friday huh? |
| 08:12.12 | Adys | I think they're rolling the arena hotfix |
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| 08:15.52 | Ian_corne | what was wrong with arena Adys ? |
| 08:16.08 | Adys | they added a 45 min limit |
| 08:16.42 | Tekkub | damnit chrome, fucking load greasemymonkey |
| 08:16.45 | Ian_corne | ah |
| 08:18.03 | Wobin | gn |
| 08:18.04 | Wobin | hm |
| 08:18.10 | Wobin | You can't level a weapon in the offhand? |
| 08:21.12 | sacarasc | you can |
| 08:21.17 | zenzio | hm, so they removed the new DK tank weapons again |
| 08:21.22 | sacarasc | just not as fast as in the main hand |
| 08:23.23 | Wobin | zenzio: whutwhut? |
| 08:23.48 | zenzio | Wobin: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13769837253&pageNo=2#36 |
| 08:25.28 | Wobin | zomg |
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| 08:36.36 | Thunder_Child | anyone know any good americanized anime to watch? |
| 08:37.02 | Arrowmaster | no animes are good americanized |
| 08:37.10 | Thunder_Child | avatar is |
| 08:37.19 | Arrowmaster | never seen avatar |
| 08:38.34 | Thunder_Child | well i just tried gundam wing and had to stop after 2 ep's |
| 08:38.46 | Tekkub | I think TC means "anime-style american animation" not "anime converted for stupid americans to watch on network TV" |
| 08:38.59 | Tekkub | cause Avatar's not anime :) |
| 08:39.07 | Thunder_Child | it's not anime style either |
| 08:39.13 | Tekkub | eh, inspired by |
| 08:39.17 | Arrowmaster | you could only last 2 eps into wing? |
| 08:39.19 | Tekkub | still a decent show |
| 08:39.31 | Thunder_Child | yes, the damn show had to much drama |
| 08:39.36 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 08:39.48 | Tekkub | I could never get into the gundams |
| 08:39.52 | Thunder_Child | and the way they acted was all to realistic |
| 08:39.55 | Thunder_Child | wasnt* |
| 08:40.05 | Arrowmaster | i didnt like wing that much |
| 08:40.21 | Arrowmaster | seed though was my favorite |
| 08:40.33 | Thunder_Child | anything else sci-fi anyone can recomend? pref with more than one season |
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| 08:40.54 | Arrowmaster | but now theres 00 which if you dont like it theres something wrong with you |
| 08:41.00 | Tekkub | *cry* damnit chrome, why won't you run my user scripts |
| 08:41.07 | Tekkub | I followed your shitty instructions |
| 08:41.07 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: January 08, 2009 11:55PM PST. . We will be performing rolling restarts for all US realms at 5:00 AM. PST, Jan 09. Additionally, we will be performing rolling restarts on all |
| 08:41.07 | Shiibot | Oceanic realms at 10:00 AM PST, Jan 09. We anticipate that these realms. will be down for no more than 15 minutes. The whole process should take. approximately 1 hour for each region.. . . . . January 08, 2009 6:30PM PST. |
| 08:41.07 | Shiibot | We currently have Free Character Moves available for select high population realms to lower population realms to help alleviate population issues. To access this feature and see if your realm is available for transfers, please visit your Account Management page at www.worldofwarcraft.com/account and select the "Free Character Move" link. |
| 08:41.10 | Thunder_Child | i havent tried 00, there arent enough ep |
| 08:41.12 | Thunder_Child | 's |
| 08:41.15 | Tekkub | stupid Shiibii |
| 08:41.36 | Arrowmaster | guessing you would also think code geass has too much drama too |
| 08:41.54 | Thunder_Child | uhh..i have no idea |
| 08:42.00 | Tekkub | TC, Dennou Coil? |
| 08:42.06 | mikma | oh dear lord |
| 08:42.14 | Arrowmaster | higurashi! |
| 08:42.15 | mikma | like druids needed more buff in ppvp |
| 08:42.35 | Tekkub | <--- still hasn't found any good new anime since DC, god that was a year ago |
| 08:42.47 | Thunder_Child | bah, the whole series is one season |
| 08:43.01 | Tekkub | it's short, but good |
| 08:43.08 | Tekkub | seems the shorter they are, the better |
| 08:43.27 | Thunder_Child | thats why firelfy was epic |
| 08:43.30 | Tekkub | well okey, there's a threshold... FLCL was just rambling nonsense |
| 08:43.35 | Arrowmaster | higurashi is two seasons, with a 3rd coming sometime |
| 08:43.35 | Thunder_Child | firefly* |
| 08:43.46 | Tekkub | I liked it, but it was still just.... random |
| 08:44.08 | Arrowmaster | yeah flcl was perty random |
| 08:45.00 | Tekkub | guitar! robot! eyebrows! giant alien iron! ... and that's basically the entire series |
| 08:45.12 | Tekkub | oh I forgot vespa! |
| 08:45.40 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, which higurashi? |
| 08:45.46 | Thunder_Child | there seems to be 2 of them |
| 08:45.49 | Arrowmaster | lets see, baccano is only 16 eps but deffently a must see |
| 08:46.06 | Tekkub | bacon? |
| 08:46.20 | Arrowmaster | higurashi no naku koro ni |
| 08:46.36 | Arrowmaster | then higurashi no naku koro ni kai is season 2 |
| 08:46.39 | Tekkub | Iiiiiiiit's bacon! |
| 08:46.45 | Arrowmaster | baccano! |
| 08:46.51 | Tekkub | BACON! |
| 08:46.57 | Arrowmaster | BACCANO! |
| 08:47.27 | Tekkub | is it bad I had to tether Trey's auth token to his desk like a pair of mittens to a 5yo's coat? |
| 08:47.34 | Tekkub | he tried to lose it tonight |
| 08:47.35 | mikma | KEVIN BACON! |
| 08:47.45 | Tekkub | I fucking hate you mikma |
| 08:47.50 | Tekkub | you just ruined bacon forever |
| 08:47.52 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 08:49.06 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: so are you going to watch higurashi? |
| 08:49.27 | Corrodias | gah! that show >:o |
| 08:49.44 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, i'll try, though to be honest i dont like horror |
| 08:49.56 | Arrowmaster | whats wrong Corrodias, did you end up having nightmares about loli's with cleavers? |
| 08:50.07 | Corrodias | no. i've spent enough time on gurochan to know better than to watch more than i've seen. |
| 08:50.41 | Arrowmaster | its my all time favorite series |
| 08:50.43 | Corrodias | i mean, i'm all for a little fun here and there, but when we start putting too much effort into characterization, i might start to care about them, and then i just wouldn't enjoy it very much. |
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| 08:51.35 | Arrowmaster | haha sounds like dont really know the plot |
| 08:51.58 | Thunder_Child | for some reason the continuity in many animes is....fragmented |
| 08:52.35 | Arrowmaster | you would probably not understand higurashi until you got to the 2nd season |
| 08:52.41 | Arrowmaster | then it would all make sense |
| 08:52.46 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 08:52.47 | Corrodias | they're often designed after manga, and alternate between compacting too much stuff into too little air time and stretching things out to make up for when they run out of manga to write about |
| 08:54.23 | Arrowmaster | ep 1-4 of higurashi will scare the shit out of you and then ep 5 will blow your mind because you wont understand what happened |
| 08:55.01 | Tekkub | Corrodias, or just adding 100 eps of "I must save sauce kay" filler... |
| 08:55.24 | Arrowmaster | then you just go with it for the rest of season 1, and a few eps into season 2 everything makes sense and it all clicks |
| 08:55.42 | Arrowmaster | and thats why i love that series |
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| 08:56.24 | mikma | tem: is killing machine a 1/1 talent now? |
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| 08:57.38 | mikma | Glyph of Raise Dead - Your Raise Dead spell no longer requires a reagent. (Old - You generate 20 runic power whenever you summon a ghoul.) |
| 08:58.20 | Arrowmaster | and now because its been brought up i have this urge to rewatch higurashi |
| 08:58.55 | Tekkub | dude, why did they even put a reagent on the damn spell? |
| 08:59.10 | Thunder_Child | screw this, i'm going to go get ducktales |
| 08:59.19 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 08:59.34 | Tekkub | tailspin >>> ducktales |
| 09:01.36 | mikma | tekkub: every fairy requires some kind of dust to sprinkle |
| 09:02.57 | Tekkub | you callin me a homo? |
| 09:03.14 | mikma | tekkub: you want me to call you homo? |
| 09:03.15 | Thunder_Child | if the want fits |
| 09:03.19 | Thunder_Child | wand* |
| 09:03.31 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 09:03.50 | Tekkub | okey lemme rephase |
| 09:03.59 | Tekkub | you cailing me fuhlameing? |
| 09:04.27 | mikma | why not if you like it! |
| 09:04.27 | mikma | Shadow of Death |
| 09:04.28 | mikma | We're not happy with the way this ability is working in Arena. Honestly, Shadow of Death has been a pretty buggy talent for much of its existence, and you have my apologies for that. It was a neat idea but it's been a huge pain in the neck. (Source) |
| 09:04.42 | mikma | oh please fix this fucker in pvp =/ |
| 09:04.49 | mikma | make it go away! |
| 09:05.17 | Tekkub | This Just In: Fire Still Hot! |
| 09:05.22 | Tekkub | <3 tanuki |
| 09:05.49 | mikma | reminds me of leela and the professor in futurama |
| 09:05.56 | Thunder_Child | ~extinguish Tekkub |
| 09:05.59 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 09:06.07 | mikma | leela tries to take paper out of fire: ouch! fire hot! |
| 09:06.13 | Tekkub | " |
| 09:06.15 | Tekkub | gah |
| 09:06.19 | Tekkub | "plus, Chief Rageclaw is wolvar, not person." |
| 09:06.39 | mikma | professor: proffy will help... (his jackets catches fire) ouuuu, fire indeed hot! |
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| 09:18.10 | Codayus | The Wolvar are awesome. |
| 09:18.14 | Codayus | Very very awesome. |
| 09:20.22 | Kalroth | For me to poop on. |
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| 10:05.12 | Kalroth | morning clad |
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| 10:09.23 | jnwhiteh | morning Kalroth |
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| 10:09.54 | Thunder_Child | lol, looked like "morning dad" |
| 10:10.03 | Thunder_Child | my font fails |
| 10:10.17 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:10.45 | jnwhiteh | lol |
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| 10:15.53 | Fisker- | jnwhiteh |
| 10:15.55 | Fisker- | bawwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 10:16.02 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 10:16.16 | Fisker- | i need you to do something! |
| 10:16.24 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 10:16.30 | Fisker- | whatcha wearing? |
| 10:16.32 | Fisker- | oh wait |
| 10:16.35 | Fisker- | wrong macro |
| 10:17.03 | Fisker- | picobuttons looks like shit in ninjapanel |
| 10:17.04 | Fisker- | can has halp? |
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| 10:17.14 | jnwhiteh | why does it look like shit there? |
| 10:17.15 | BOSPUS | hi :) |
| 10:17.18 | Fisker- | dunno |
| 10:17.23 | BOSPUS | my first time here |
| 10:17.30 | BOSPUS | warcraft 3 channel ? |
| 10:17.31 | Fisker- | Possibly because it uses icons not suited for that particular size |
| 10:17.42 | BOSPUS | or just world of warcraft channel ? |
| 10:17.50 | Fisker- | world of warcraft |
| 10:17.59 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: you can use iconCoords, or supply your own I guess |
| 10:18.41 | BOSPUS | say since im already here .. do you build bases in world of warcraft or does it more resemble to diablo 2 ? rpg mode i mean |
| 10:18.50 | Fisker- | rpg |
| 10:18.54 | BOSPUS | argh okay |
| 10:19.11 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: do you have a screenshot? |
| 10:19.16 | Fisker- | sure sec |
| 10:19.21 | BOSPUS | anyone know of warcracft 3 channel ? on any network ? |
| 10:19.28 | BOSPUS | warcraft |
| 10:20.19 | Fisker- | http://i41.tinypic.com/316wwsg.jpg |
| 10:20.20 | Fisker- | upper right |
| 10:20.51 | jnwhiteh | ah, it definitely needs to use iconCoords |
| 10:20.59 | jnwhiteh | but I'm not sure whats happening |
| 10:21.09 | BOSPUS | anyone played warcraft 3 ? |
| 10:21.20 | BOSPUS | reign of chaos or frozen throne ? |
| 10:21.27 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: does it not do this in other displays? |
| 10:22.01 | Fisker- | Haven't tried :( |
| 10:22.25 | jnwhiteh | I suspect it must, I'll have to check with Tekkub |
| 10:22.58 | jnwhiteh | HEY! |
| 10:23.02 | jnwhiteh | you need crusader aura! |
| 10:23.08 | Thunder_Child | BOSPUS, yes |
| 10:23.09 | Fisker- | :O |
| 10:23.52 | Fisker- | people are so hostile jnwhiteh :( |
| 10:23.56 | BOSPUS | Thunder_Child i finished reign of chaos .. but i didnt play frozen throne .. |
| 10:24.05 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 10:24.07 | BOSPUS | is it worth it to play frozen throne ? |
| 10:24.09 | Fisker- | Just because i can pick people out of the air because i can't take fall damage |
| 10:24.30 | Thunder_Child | BOSPUS, if you liked the game then yes |
| 10:24.36 | Adys | Kalroth: morning dad! |
| 10:24.38 | BOSPUS | yeah i did |
| 10:24.43 | Kalroth | uh oh |
| 10:24.48 | BOSPUS | i finished all warcrafts .. 1 2 3 |
| 10:24.50 | Thunder_Child | BOSPUS, it's hardly expensive anymore anywyas |
| 10:24.51 | Adys | i just scrolled up :) |
| 10:25.08 | BOSPUS | you think theres gonna be warcraft 4 ? |
| 10:25.10 | Kalroth | oh phew, I was getting scared there |
| 10:25.29 | Thunder_Child | BOSPUS, no |
| 10:25.30 | Kalroth | I don't recall sexing a random frenchy |
| 10:25.57 | Thunder_Child | there might be a prequel but wow is the sequel |
| 10:26.01 | Adys | you do not remember me?! |
| 10:26.36 | BOSPUS | shi.t .. is there any games similar to warcraft 3 ? i need to get gaming .. |
| 10:26.53 | Adys | starcraft 2 |
| 10:27.00 | Thunder_Child | hardly Adys |
| 10:27.06 | BOSPUS | i want to build bases once more, lay mine fields, build claw druids :) |
| 10:27.09 | Adys | your mom is hardly |
| 10:27.30 | Adys | theres plenty of claw druids in sc2 |
| 10:27.36 | Thunder_Child | Adys, wc* has a serious hero fetish, sc2 does not |
| 10:27.47 | Adys | oh your mom has a serious hero fetish |
| 10:27.49 | BOSPUS | say Thunder_Child do you remember the last episode in war3 ? twiligiht of gods ? |
| 10:27.59 | Thunder_Child | BOSPUS, no it has been quite a while |
| 10:28.14 | Thunder_Child | Adys, you gonna keep going with that line of insults? |
| 10:28.28 | Adys | your mom loves to insult on the line! |
| 10:28.29 | BOSPUS | theres some videos on youtube about that last mission |
| 10:28.55 | BOSPUS | i had like 40 elvish defense towers and 2 huge minefields infront of orkish base |
| 10:29.03 | BOSPUS | i owned the undead |
| 10:29.07 | Thunder_Child | who are you and what have you done with Adys? |
| 10:29.32 | Thunder_Child | BOSPUS, you do realize this channel is more or less about wow, right? |
| 10:29.32 | Adys | you better notask your mom what she's done to me |
| 10:29.34 | BOSPUS | nobody in those videos concentrated on defense towers .. but i loved them so much :) |
| 10:29.50 | Adys | Thunder_Child: like we ever talk about wow in here |
| 10:29.58 | Thunder_Child | hey, i said more or less |
| 10:30.07 | Adys | more less than more |
| 10:30.35 | Thunder_Child | no, there is enough in here to make me bored of the conversations sometimes |
| 10:30.58 | BOSPUS | i was the king around there .. i killed archimonde and manoroth and lich like they were some footmen .. the damage of 40 defense towers is not small |
| 10:31.02 | Adys | a LOT more and more less and more and more less more. |
| 10:31.51 | Thunder_Child | not so much more and more less than more |
| 10:31.54 | Adys | Hey Kalroth, you want *more* ? |
| 10:32.11 | Kalroth | Mandy? |
| 10:32.16 | Adys | mom! |
| 10:32.41 | BOSPUS | in the north hidden behind a forrest i had about 12 bear claw druids .. when the main force went for defense towers .. severly depleted by huge minefields .. that stormrage had planeted .. i released bear druids on the catapults .. thus closing the trap |
| 10:34.45 | BOSPUS | ahh the good old days :) |
| 10:35.41 | BOSPUS | i miss warcraft 3 lately |
| 10:35.49 | Adys | noticed |
| 10:36.01 | BOSPUS | what i hated about warcraft 3 were those mission with time limit |
| 10:36.10 | BOSPUS | and i had to be rushed all the time ./ |
| 10:36.21 | BOSPUS | :/ |
| 10:37.55 | BOSPUS | i donno if i should go and finish warcraft 3 once more .. |
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| 10:40.42 | BOSPUS | i wish theyd created warcraft 4 |
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| 11:01.19 | Fisker- | btw jnwhiteh |
| 11:01.25 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 11:01.29 | Fisker- | how's ninjapanel coming in terms of options etc? |
| 11:01.48 | jnwhiteh | some options are already coded |
| 11:01.50 | jnwhiteh | just need a UI |
| 11:01.53 | jnwhiteh | others are easy to code |
| 11:01.58 | jnwhiteh | if you want to disable individual plugins, that's easy |
| 11:02.01 | jnwhiteh | already works |
| 11:02.02 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 11:02.48 | jnwhiteh | nah |
| 11:02.54 | Wobin | There's no way to purge the Acid DOT from the Guard on Anubra'khan is there? |
| 11:02.54 | jnwhiteh | will go with Portfolio if anything |
| 11:03.08 | nevcairiel | isnt that mostly the same anyway? |
| 11:03.18 | jnwhiteh | there's a weight difference, to say the least :P |
| 11:03.18 | Fisker- | Possibly BoP can do it Wobin |
| 11:03.20 | Fisker- | but probably not |
| 11:03.27 | Wobin | hm, no pally =( |
| 11:03.56 | Fisker- | the acid dot means: gogo dps that mob |
| 11:03.56 | Fisker- | :D |
| 11:04.00 | Wobin | s'true |
| 11:04.14 | Wobin | but it'd be nice to be able to wipe it off after the thing is dead |
| 11:04.17 | nevcairiel | I see, portfolio doesnt support full options trees, only singular pages |
| 11:04.26 | jnwhiteh | aye, and thats all i need/want |
| 11:04.36 | jnwhiteh | since i only use blizz options anyway |
| 11:04.50 | jnwhiteh | may even do them custom, which is fine by me |
| 11:04.53 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 11:04.59 | jnwhiteh | time is the first thing I need to find :P |
| 11:09.43 | jnwhiteh | Tain: I prefer teh old-school Time Vault |
| 11:09.51 | jnwhiteh | mainly because I was never able to pick up my time walk =( |
| 11:10.22 | jnwhiteh | tho I traded my Time Vault for a bunch of Mirrodin back in the day, and I still feel like I got the better deal :P |
| 11:10.31 | jnwhiteh | 4 angels and a bunch of other nonsense. |
| 11:10.38 | Tain | Oh yeah I forgot about Time Vault |
| 11:10.58 | jnwhiteh | skipping upkeep was clutch :P |
| 11:11.34 | Tain | Someone showed me a deck of cards from the last expansion and I didn't understand half the stuff. |
| 11:11.57 | jnwhiteh | yeah, was that Ravnica (the guild based one?) |
| 11:12.03 | jnwhiteh | I missed the releases for those |
| 11:12.09 | jnwhiteh | and completely blew off the Kamigawa block |
| 11:12.10 | Tain | And then I dug out my old cards to show him and he says, "What's Banding?" |
| 11:12.14 | Tain | And I wanted to cry a little. |
| 11:12.38 | jnwhiteh | hahaha |
| 11:12.41 | jnwhiteh | banding is <3 |
| 11:12.42 | Tain | I didnt' know they basically removed Banding. |
| 11:12.50 | jnwhiteh | they removed a lot of the old mechanics |
| 11:13.20 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't take long to figure out the new ones tho |
| 11:13.26 | Tain | It's a different world where I come from. |
| 11:13.32 | jnwhiteh | if I had money, I'd still do drafts here |
| 11:14.23 | Tain | I have been thinking about showing up at a local game night somewhere with a deck made entirely of stuff that's long out of print. |
| 11:14.25 | jnwhiteh | I still have my Force of Will playset, so I can compete reasonable with a counter control deck in that format |
| 11:15.20 | Tain | I still have things like Beta lands. And a bunch of Ulimiteds. Not to mention the other early expansions, Arabians and Antiquities. |
| 11:15.25 | Thunder_Child | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=1010 |
| 11:15.39 | jnwhiteh | yeah i dont have as many old cards |
| 11:15.46 | jnwhiteh | my crown is a near mint beta tundra |
| 11:15.48 | Tain | Thunder_Child: they serve chicken fried bacon around here. |
| 11:15.53 | jnwhiteh | won it in a crazy format tourney |
| 11:16.01 | Thunder_Child | Tain: >.< |
| 11:16.35 | jnwhiteh | it had four different formats, straight up 1.5, then another weirder one, a draft and one in the current block |
| 11:16.39 | Tain | I have an Unlimited Black Lotus, but it's not mint. Shows some wear. |
| 11:16.51 | jnwhiteh | nice tho |
| 11:16.56 | jnwhiteh | i never owned moxen |
| 11:16.57 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 11:16.59 | Tain | But my Moxes are are in good shape, Pearl, Ruby, Emerald |
| 11:17.12 | jnwhiteh | <3 Sapphire :P |
| 11:17.18 | jnwhiteh | thats the only one i'd care about |
| 11:17.24 | Tain | hehe I never played Blue. |
| 11:17.24 | Thunder_Child | ninjapanels to MtG.....WTF |
| 11:17.43 | Thunder_Child | your conversation fails |
| 11:17.43 | Tain | Actually I always played White, and just got the others because I could. |
| 11:17.52 | jnwhiteh | I was white/blue |
| 11:18.00 | Thunder_Child | i have the whole unglued set |
| 11:18.04 | jnwhiteh | with green always possibly thrown in/substituted |
| 11:18.08 | jnwhiteh | haha unglued was wtf |
| 11:18.15 | Thunder_Child | i need unglued 2 however |
| 11:18.16 | jnwhiteh | I haver four Fallen Empires sets |
| 11:18.21 | Tain | I loved playing with Green as an addon because there's so many low cost things. |
| 11:18.25 | jnwhiteh | that was a mistake :P |
| 11:18.35 | jnwhiteh | Tain: aye, white weenies with green's rush/boost |
| 11:18.54 | Tain | I had a dozen full boxes of Fallen Empires boosters because I was reselling at the time. And I couldn't get rid of them. No one was buying. |
| 11:19.02 | jnwhiteh | I always played blue/green and used 3rd Edition Serendib Efreets |
| 11:19.07 | Tain | I ended up selling them for cost jsut to get rid of them. |
| 11:19.13 | jnwhiteh | cause the green border confused almost everyone |
| 11:19.24 | Tain | hahah yeah |
| 11:20.05 | jnwhiteh | I tap an island to play.. this green card? |
| 11:20.12 | Tain | I used to hate playing my brother because he'd play Green and at least once I'd think I'd have everything attacking handled and then I'd hear... "Giant Growth, Giant Growth, Berserk" |
| 11:20.27 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 11:22.07 | jnwhiteh | rebooting, brb |
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| 11:26.59 | Thunder_Child | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=1509 |
| 11:27.16 | nevcairiel | o.O |
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| 11:43.34 | Wobin | http://www.flickr.com/photos/30938059@N08/3181409899/ |
| 11:43.35 | Wobin | yay! |
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| 11:50.38 | Fisker- | 25-man or 10-man? |
| 11:50.55 | Fisker- | ah 10-man |
| 11:51.05 | Fisker- | tauren death knight :( |
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| 11:57.07 | Wobin | That's me! =) |
| 11:57.16 | Wobin | I offtanked |
| 11:57.24 | Wobin | as you probably could have guessed from the previous question |
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| 12:32.37 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, congrats :) |
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| 13:56.17 | Daede | anybody here relatively familiar with the way spartanui works? |
| 13:56.17 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: January 08, 2009 6:30PM PST. |
| 13:56.17 | Shiibot | We currently have Free Character Moves available for select high population realms to lower population realms to help alleviate population issues. To access this feature and see if your realm is available for transfers, please visit your Account Management page at www.worldofwarcraft.com/account and select the "Free Character Move" link. |
| 13:56.17 | Shiibot | The following PvP realms have transfers available: . . Arthas . Barthilas . Bleeding Hollow . Bonechewer . Burning Blade . Burning Legion . Destromath . Dragonmaw . Emerald Dream . Frostmourne . Illidan . Jubei'Thos . Kel'Thuzad |
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| 14:12.59 | Lunessa | Today is Doom Lord Kazzak on my Year of Fear Calendar. "All mortals will perish!" "The Legion will conquer all!" |
| 14:14.00 | nevcairiel | who was yesterday? |
| 14:14.37 | Lunessa | Swamplord Musel'ek |
| 14:14.56 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 14:17.04 | Lunessa | He can control animals, even druids! |
| 14:17.30 | Lopeppeppy | Muselix? |
| 14:17.47 | Lunessa | That's for controlling regularity. |
| 14:18.02 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. I see. |
| 14:18.27 | Lopeppeppy | Sleepy Peppy is sleepy. Oiy, this will be a long day at work. |
| 14:20.27 | Lunessa | Chicken on a biscuit. nom nom nom |
| 14:21.20 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh, food. |
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| 14:25.03 | Lunessa | nom nom nom. |
| 14:25.14 | Lopeppeppy | Brat. |
| 14:25.24 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 14:25.37 | Lopeppeppy | Grrr, unrepentant brat! |
| 14:26.24 | Lunessa | Hah... Tech Services just came to complain that one on my VMs is out-of-date for security patches. Well duh... I'm mid-re-install. |
| 14:27.30 | Codayus | Hm, proactive. |
| 14:27.36 | Lopeppeppy | Tell them to bite you, and to go fix some student lab computers, kk? |
| 14:27.42 | Codayus | Clearly they have far too little to do. :-) |
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| 14:29.10 | Lunessa | Hah, clearly the TS lead didn't want to, but the director made her come say something. |
| 14:29.28 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, directives from middle management! How quaint! |
| 14:30.06 | Lunessa | I got a chuckle, 'cause I'm a sys admin. I find it amusing that they monitor my boxes at all. |
| 14:30.21 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 14:30.49 | Lunessa | And I'm the one that usually tells THEM when a critical patch/vulnerability exists. |
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| 14:31.18 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds like someone got bored over break and wanted to see who she could "catch out". |
| 14:34.28 | Lunessa | No, she was all "I was told to tell you one of your machines is out of date and un-portected." She rolled her eyes and said, "It's probably your windows partition on you Mac." |
| 14:34.54 | Lopeppeppy | I meant the someone who sent her... misappropriating the genderness to confuse us both, I thinks. |
| 14:35.37 | Lunessa | Heh. |
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| 14:48.50 | p3lim | what does 'transculent' mean? |
| 14:49.19 | Lopeppeppy | Between transparent and opaque. |
| 14:49.30 | Lopeppeppy | You cannot see clearly through it, but light passes through. |
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| 14:55.58 | p3lim | hm ok |
| 14:56.16 | p3lim | Was just curious, thats what the new Etheral Oil does |
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| 14:56.51 | Lopeppeppy | That's just a visual word... the game effect might be different. |
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| 15:05.28 | Lothaer | hey guys |
| 15:05.36 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 15:08.08 | Lothaer | whats new lopeppeppy? |
| 15:08.48 | Lopeppeppy | Sun came up today. Still sick. But back at work, that's an improvement! |
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| 15:15.02 | Lopeppeppy | Cannot have, Lunessa! |
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| 15:15.09 | Lopeppeppy | At least not the Baileys. |
| 15:16.10 | Lopeppeppy | Kidney infection. I know that alcohol sterilizes... but yeah, not putting that to the test right now. |
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| 15:44.24 | Lunessa | In order to increase shareholder value and deliver a value proposition to the market-palce... |
| 15:47.10 | Lopeppeppy | .... bite me! |
| 15:47.30 | zenzelezz | careful, we just might |
| 15:48.10 | Lopeppeppy | ... no daisy chains! |
| 15:48.39 | Industrial | lol |
| 15:50.02 | Shirik | happy-sad? |
| 15:50.16 | Industrial | ouch-mmm |
| 15:50.57 | Shirik | brb, gotta change rooms |
| 15:51.31 | Lunessa | ... daisy chains ... Not exactly what I would expect to hear in this channel... |
| 15:51.45 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry Lunessa, I never do what I'm expected to. |
| 15:51.56 | Lopeppeppy | And Shirik, if I have to explain... I'll pass on explaining. |
| 15:52.02 | Lunessa | Not true. I expect you to be contrary and interesting. |
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| 15:55.41 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. |
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| 16:01.40 | cog|work | HAI! |
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| 16:03.14 | cog|work | ~tickle Lopeppeppy, Lunessa, & |Jelly| |
| 16:03.15 | purl | ACTION jumps on Lopeppeppy, Lunessa, & |Jelly|, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 16:03.20 | Shirik | so |
| 16:03.23 | Lopeppeppy | Hai! |
| 16:03.24 | cog|work | buttons |
| 16:03.30 | Shirik | what is this "happy-sad" face |
| 16:04.11 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 16:04.11 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. Shirik. Know how people just love attention, and it makes them happy? But sometimes being bitten hurts, and makes 'em sad. So. Happy-sad. |
| 16:04.13 | Fisker- | i'm so sick |
| 16:04.25 | Fisker- | i might just die |
| 16:04.28 | cog|work | Fisker-: gut, head, lungs? |
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| 16:04.40 | Fisker- | head :E |
| 16:04.44 | Shirik | so is that good or bad? |
| 16:05.15 | cog|work | Lunessa: trout are high in omega 3s |
| 16:05.22 | Fisker- | F5'ing for Windows 7 |
| 16:05.26 | Fisker- | need a key |
| 16:05.35 | Shirik | oh |
| 16:05.36 | cog|work | shoot forgot to dl that last night |
| 16:05.36 | Shirik | windows 7 |
| 16:05.51 | Fisker- | FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU- |
| 16:05.58 | Fisker- | i want msdn :( |
| 16:06.22 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, the happy came first, so it's good. |
| 16:06.39 | Shirik | yey :) |
| 16:07.44 | Shirik | woot woot |
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| 16:08.01 | Seerah | morning everyone, morning sylv |
| 16:08.42 | cog|work | it was on msdn before i left work yesterday |
| 16:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Seerah. |
| 16:09.04 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/8870c7eef3db7299bfe1667663e2d1de.jpg |
| 16:09.05 | Shirik | yay |
| 16:09.16 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287249343&sid=1 - the frustration in this post is covered in delicious good humor. |
| 16:09.27 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 16:09.29 | cog|work | Shirik: welcome to yesterday :P |
| 16:09.32 | Shirik | windows 7 supports ia64 too? |
| 16:09.51 | Shirik | Are they planning on running servers on windows 7 too? |
| 16:09.52 | cog|work | mmmm... another 5 digit bonus! |
| 16:10.03 | Shirik | $00001? |
| 16:10.06 | Vangual | 2008r2 is going to be 7-based |
| 16:10.07 | cog|work | damn government took an entire digit :( |
| 16:10.12 | Seerah | grats, cog|work |
| 16:10.16 | Seerah | :( |
| 16:10.32 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 16:11.35 | Shirik | you know, for someone that doesn't have a job |
| 16:11.35 | Shirik | I am finding it very odd that my blackberry is going off every 10 minutes today |
| 16:11.35 | Shirik | wtf |
| 16:11.38 | Seerah | lol |
| 16:12.26 | Shirik | so the real question |
| 16:12.29 | Shirik | do I install windows 7 |
| 16:12.53 | Shirik | and were they really that lazy and called it 7? |
| 16:12.54 | sb | hm, is download already available? |
| 16:12.56 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: ping |
| 16:13.04 | Shirik | I mean, technically vista is windows 6.0 |
| 16:13.08 | Shirik | but still |
| 16:13.16 | Seerah | XP wasn't called 5 |
| 16:13.18 | Shirik | sb: It is for me :D |
| 16:13.23 | Shirik | I don't know if it's publicly available |
| 16:13.27 | Seerah | they just wanted to mess you up :P |
| 16:13.27 | Hirsute | Shirik: MSDN? |
| 16:13.32 | Shirik | yes |
| 16:13.42 | Gnarfoz | Seerah: because it was 5.1 ;) |
| 16:13.46 | Stanzilla | 7 is the final name |
| 16:13.51 | Stanzilla | kernel version is 6.1 tho |
| 16:13.53 | Gnarfoz | also, 7 finally makes sense again |
| 16:13.57 | Shirik | Yes, that seems very lazy :P |
| 16:13.58 | Hirsute | It's supposed to be available some time today for everyone. |
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| 16:14.23 | Hirsute | But might still only be available to MSDN subscribers at the moment. |
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| 16:18.01 | Shirik | BOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 16:18.08 | Shirik | They changed the spirit of redemption glyph!! |
| 16:18.23 | Shirik | I was trying to set records :( |
| 16:18.34 | Shirik | my best was |
| 16:18.35 | Shirik | 20:06'19.625 Kimina gains Spirit of Redemption. |
| 16:18.41 | Shirik | 20:07'32.359 Kimina's Spirit of Redemption is refreshed. |
| 16:18.49 | Shirik | (and through) |
| 16:24.23 | Shirik | ok have meeting now |
| 16:24.24 | Shirik | bbl |
| 16:25.06 | Lopeppeppy | "Enjoy" |
| 16:25.07 | Gnarfoz | all I've got to say about Windows 7 has been said on xkcd... http://xkcd.com/ |
| 16:26.37 | Lunessa | cog|work: I just got your forum .sig. Haha. |
| 16:32.47 | cog|work | wewt! |
| 16:32.56 | cog|work | i was just looking at it wondering if anyone would figure it out |
| 16:35.01 | p3lim | feral druids: what is the agi to dodge rating math? |
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| 16:44.28 | Industrial | p3lim: EJ |
| 16:44.29 | Industrial | ? |
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| 16:44.50 | Gnarfoz | depends on class, wowwiki should also have the goods |
| 16:45.26 | Lopeppeppy | Industrial was referring you to the Elitist Jerks website, p3lim. |
| 16:45.35 | Industrial | he knows :p |
| 16:46.34 | Lunessa | stupid IISS |
| 16:47.00 | p3lim | me knows |
| 16:47.18 | p3lim | been sniffin' around there, clearly i have to look closer |
| 16:47.59 | Lyn | when i can make it there, i can make it everywhere .. i wanna be a part of it, neww yoork new yoorrk |
| 16:51.51 | Lunessa | I want to be a part of the city that never sleeps! |
| 16:52.26 | Lyn | which one was that? |
| 16:54.41 | Seerah | the city that never sleeps? |
| 16:54.43 | Seerah | New York |
| 16:54.49 | Seerah | (a line in the same song ;) ) |
| 16:56.00 | Lyn | oops |
| 16:56.00 | Lyn | :x |
| 16:56.43 | Seerah | :) |
| 16:57.29 | Shirik|zZz | ~weather kdab |
| 16:59.07 | Lopeppeppy | Wakeup, Shirik! Enjoy your meeting. Brat. |
| 16:59.13 | Shirik | meeting over |
| 16:59.17 | Lopeppeppy | ~weather kalb |
| 16:59.27 | Shirik | now I get to go review an exe that was uploaded to wowi |
| 17:00.20 | Seerah | yeah, guys - watch out for an exe labelled as AtlasLoot Enhanced |
| 17:00.55 | Lopeppeppy | Review: .exe is not a valid addon format. Resubmit. |
| 17:01.19 | Seerah | :) |
| 17:01.32 | Seerah | he's probably going to peek inside ;) |
| 17:01.51 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, Shirik likes to explore strange new viruses and keyloggie bits. |
| 17:01.57 | Shirik | I like this one |
| 17:02.10 | Seerah | ? |
| 17:02.21 | Shirik | It downloads a file, calls it "msdownld.tmp", sets attribute HIDDEN, and puts it in windows directory |
| 17:02.49 | Shirik | This is the part that confuses me though |
| 17:03.15 | Shirik | It makes a reference to A:\DecryptFileA also |
| 17:06.13 | Arrowmaster | its a key logger, what more do you need to know |
| 17:06.23 | Shirik | I want to know! |
| 17:06.29 | Shirik | Kinda like... |
| 17:06.39 | Shirik | autopsys |
| 17:06.43 | Shirik | the guy's already dead |
| 17:06.47 | Shirik | why do people want to know why he died? |
| 17:06.57 | Olorin | Hirsute: hows your chat filter mod coming along? |
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| 17:10.38 | cog|work | Shirik: when a word ends in y and you want to make it plural, usually the y changes to "ies" |
| 17:10.45 | Seerah | :) |
| 17:10.48 | Shirik | I realized that afterwards but didn't bother correcting it :P |
| 17:11.29 | cog|work | My first thought was "who the hell is autopsys and why is he dead?" |
| 17:11.38 | cog|work | :P |
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| 17:13.38 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy would tell you Baileys + Dayquil is good |
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| 17:18.03 | Seerah | ?? |
| 17:18.07 | Shirik | shall I compare thee to a summer's day |
| 17:18.20 | cog|work | *SQUAK* Nevermore |
| 17:19.09 | Lunessa | Seerah: It's from Alice in Wonderland. |
| 17:19.15 | Seerah | ohhhh |
| 17:19.48 | Shirik | thou art more lovely and more temperate |
| 17:20.30 | Olorin | makes note to self never offer to make somthing without specifying price, 5g for combining 80 epic gear is just sad |
| 17:21.02 | Lunessa | Shirik: you trying to get a little splendor in the grass? |
| 17:21.14 | Shirik | hm? |
| 17:21.26 | ZorbaTHut | I am occasionally impressed by how subtle some of the WoW area design is. I just noticed the stairs running up to the Aldor templar aren't even remotely flat |
| 17:21.33 | ZorbaTHut | they're carefully curved to look more epic and awesome |
| 17:21.48 | Shirik | that's because aldor are stupid |
| 17:21.57 | Shirik | scryers were intelligent and made a ramp |
| 17:22.00 | Shirik | easy to build |
| 17:22.13 | ZorbaTHut | it wouldn't surprise me if this is the case for pretty much all medium staircases in the game |
| 17:22.20 | Lunessa | Scryers can kiss by blue, tentacled hiney. |
| 17:22.48 | ZorbaTHut | of course, in terms of collisions, it's a ramp anyway |
| 17:23.08 | Shirik | Lunessa, you would enjoy that |
| 17:23.09 | ZorbaTHut | the "staircase effect" is just visual polygons, it has no effect on the actual world collisions |
| 17:23.33 | Lunessa | Shirik: Have you seen those scryer wimmins? Mmmmm... |
| 17:23.35 | Lopeppeppy | Your hiney has tentacles too? |
| 17:23.48 | Shirik | I is one! rawr |
| 17:23.57 | Lunessa | Come here, I'll show you. ;) |
| 17:24.08 | Lopeppeppy | You're a tentacle on Lunessa's butt, Shirik? |
| 17:24.13 | Shirik | .. no |
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| 17:24.39 | Amarande | hmm, new for 3.0.8: "Tapping: All player spells which cause a creature to become aggressive to you will now also immediately cause the creature to be tapped." |
| 17:24.42 | Amarande | YES, FINALLY |
| 17:24.58 | cog|work | beautiful |
| 17:25.52 | Amarande | cog: as a warlock, especially when I was aff, I was really really wishing for that |
| 17:25.59 | Shirik | yeah |
| 17:26.02 | cog|work | Amarande: my lock is what came to mind when you said that |
| 17:26.06 | Amarande | otherwise, the presence of hunters in particular disrupts one's rotation somewhat badly |
| 17:26.11 | Shirik | because you were one of those people that went around dotting everything in sight so nobody could get anything else! |
| 17:26.13 | Shirik | HUH! |
| 17:26.16 | Amarande | you *want* to open with UA |
| 17:26.39 | Amarande | however, if you open with UA, you give that hunter freebie DPS, because there's 3 seconds between you clicking the button and you getting the mob tapped |
| 17:27.16 | Amarande | So you have to open with Immo. But if you're a typical aff lock using an imp for mana battery, then that's really annoying, because depending on the mob's skills (*cough* interrupts), you might have to not use UA at all |
| 17:28.58 | Seerah | I thought feral druid when I saw that. Faerie Fire before charging |
| 17:29.25 | Lopeppeppy | A lot of ferals pull with Faerie Fire. *nod* |
| 17:29.50 | Lunessa | Anything with a DoT component. And face/body-pulling mobs means that now someone else won't be yoinking them from you just to be a dick. |
| 17:30.26 | Amarande | I always thought UA was the worst one, though |
| 17:30.48 | Amarande | It has a cast time, so you really want to use it as your pull (especially if imp mana batterying), but then you have to worry about donating your DPS |
| 17:31.48 | Lopeppeppy | You can always Fear and then use the UA while it's running. |
| 17:33.40 | Lunessa | Fear wouldn't tap before. |
| 17:34.00 | Lopeppeppy | Tap with DoT, it comes toward you, fear it, UA it, keep on going. |
| 17:34.04 | Lunessa | So again, you donated your mana to some pesky hunter or mage with instants. |
| 17:34.34 | selckin | wait for next patch when tapping mechanics change |
| 17:35.35 | Lopeppeppy | 's what we're maundering about, selckin. We wants it, my precious! |
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| 17:41.50 | Anaral | Can someone please help me figure out why my sv aren't saving once I reload? http://www.pastey.net/105899 |
| 17:42.34 | Tem | ~weather klft |
| 17:42.53 | Tem | wow nice weather |
| 17:43.23 | |pez| | Oh, I have a funny problem... With informant and enchantrix. They're not showing, at all. They're listed in the addonslist. But it's really not showing. Is there anything special I have to do to actuallly make the new version work? |
| 17:44.00 | Anaral | pez, in game does anything happen when you type in /inf config |
| 17:44.14 | |pez| | two sec, gonna check! |
| 17:44.29 | Anaral | Also if you have the slidebar enabled, do you have the red gem button? |
| 17:44.47 | |pez| | Yes to the last one. |
| 17:44.55 | Kirov | Anaral - you have them assigned in your .toc file, yes? |
| 17:44.57 | |pez| | the red gem button shows. |
| 17:45.44 | |pez| | Anaral: I get the options thing for Informant when I do /inf config |
| 17:45.44 | Anaral | Yesh |
| 17:45.57 | Anaral | Okay, then both are running. |
| 17:46.01 | Tem | Anaral, because you never register the VARIABLES_LOADED event? |
| 17:46.18 | Tem | you have a handler for it, but I don't see anything actually calling it |
| 17:46.30 | Kirov | Tem - it's in a DO at the end |
| 17:46.39 | Tem | oh nevermind I wasn't at the bottom |
| 17:47.04 | Kirov | Anaral - technically you don't need the "do" there btw. Just having the code suffices. |
| 17:47.20 | |pez| | Anaral: they're running, yes. But not doing any informing. XD |
| 17:47.27 | Tem | are you loading _after_ VARS_LOADED possibly? |
| 17:47.46 | Anaral | pez are any of the options in Inf config checked? |
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| 17:48.09 | |pez| | Anaral: All except "Show item link" |
| 17:48.46 | Anaral | Tem: How would I do that? |
| 17:48.52 | |pez| | Maybe I should just go download informant and such again, and try that approach. |
| 17:48.59 | Tem | Anaral, if you were a load on demand addon |
| 17:49.05 | Anaral | Probably a good idea pez |
| 17:49.24 | |pez| | If all else fail, reinstall all addons! |
| 17:49.25 | Anaral | Tem, QID isn't a LOD |
| 17:49.37 | ZorbaTHut | anyone know if there's a way to detect the OS from within WoW? |
| 17:49.57 | Tem | There used to be a way by probing what features worked |
| 17:50.04 | Tem | you could detect linux that way |
| 17:50.32 | Kirov | Anaral - VARIABLES_LOADED is fine, but for the future it might be a better choice to use ADDON_LOADED |
| 17:51.41 | Anaral | Can I just change VARIABLES_LOADED to ADDON_LOADED. Or would I also need to change how it checks the savedvars? |
| 17:52.13 | foxlit | Anaral: just make sure it's the ADDON_LOADED event is YOURS, and you'll be fine |
| 17:52.50 | Kirov | Anaral - Usually you can assume the first ADDON_LOADED you see is the one for your addon, but the best practice is to compare the first argument to the name of your addon. |
| 17:54.11 | Anaral | Isn't that what I have at line 36, except right now it's VARIABLES_LOADED? |
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| 17:55.07 | Kirov | VARIABLES_LOADED is a catch all after "all" addons (including Blizzard's UI) have loaded. |
| 17:55.27 | Kirov | ADDON_LOADED fires with the name of the addon that it's finished loading. |
| 17:56.01 | Kirov | However, neither of these go in to why you're seeing problems, as what you're doing is still functional. |
| 17:56.29 | Kirov | Does the "Setting up QIDDB" text always display? |
| 17:56.33 | Anaral | Okay, well changing to ADDON_LOADED at lines 36 and 145 didn't help. |
| 17:57.08 | Anaral | Kirov that message never shows. |
| 17:57.40 | Kirov | Do you have Swatter or BugSack installed? |
| 17:58.24 | Kirov | The reason I ask is the Blizzard UI won't display errors that occur during the load process, but those two addons will. |
| 17:59.13 | Kirov | Ah |
| 17:59.28 | Kirov | Ok, so the reason why that text will never display is actually "correct" |
| 17:59.51 | Kirov | You create the QIDDB variable at the start of the code, so it'll never be nil |
| 18:00.33 | Kirov | Also, the way you have the code setup, if any of your values are set to false it'll automatically (and silently) reset them to true |
| 18:00.45 | Anaral | Kirov I have swatter, and there are no errors. |
| 18:01.09 | Anaral | Kirov also, there is no sv file for QID in my WTF folders. |
| 18:01.14 | Anaral | There used to be. |
| 18:01.36 | Kirov | The only way that would happen with the code you have is that the .toc isn't set correctly. |
| 18:01.55 | Kirov | If you have Ace of DevTools /dump QIDDB |
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| 18:02.44 | Dashkal | I'm so happy :D The new 2H defense/parry weapons were rejected! I get to tank in my DPS 2H :D |
| 18:04.51 | Kirov | Anaral - The way the saved variables system works is on logout of the game, it goes over the ##SavedVariable list and sees if there is a global variable of the same name to match each of these. If there is, it saves it. |
| 18:05.03 | Kirov | Since you define the value right at the start of the addon, the value MUST exist. |
| 18:05.28 | Kirov | (no where in the code is it being set to nil, unless another addon is using the same global variable name and resetting it) |
| 18:05.36 | Anaral | Okay, the dump gave me the values. |
| 18:05.51 | Kirov | Anaral - can you post your toc file? |
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| 18:06.50 | Anaral | Kirov http://www.pastey.net/105904 |
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| 18:08.15 | Anaral | Ah ha! I have an old copy of QID (knew there was a good reason to keep them around) that is saving across sessions |
| 18:08.30 | Anaral | Now to figure out what I did to break it in the current one. |
| 18:08.33 | |pez| | yay, works now! |
| 18:09.07 | cog|work | Zootfizzle: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287249343&postId=142856742664&sid=1#6 |
| 18:11.26 | Amarande | hmm, I'm a bit fuzzy on this. |
| 18:11.32 | Amarande | can, or cannot Seed of Corruption chain-react? |
| 18:15.31 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel, you are a bad monkey! |
| 18:16.52 | durcyn | Amarande: yes |
| 18:17.10 | durcyn | Amarande: seeds pop on any shadow damage taken, including their own dot component and other seed aoe |
| 18:19.02 | cog|work | cute wittle squidy-poo: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/4160791/Piglet-squid-is-always-smiling.html |
| 18:19.30 | Lopeppeppy | Squidlet is not cute. |
| 18:20.22 | Lunessa | ... is too. |
| 18:20.49 | Lopeppeppy | Is not. |
| 18:20.59 | Lopeppeppy | Is... translucent and weird and fugly. |
| 18:21.02 | Lunessa | cog|work: Need to get you rep with the Alliance Vanguard so you can make me a hawg. |
| 18:21.20 | Lopeppeppy | If cog cooks it for me, it will be nomlicious. Au naturel, it's fugly. |
| 18:21.31 | cog|work | Calahami? |
| 18:21.36 | Lopeppeppy | Yum. |
| 18:22.15 | Lopeppeppy | I even eat whole baby squidlets that way. Yum. |
| 18:22.33 | Lunessa | It's a shame that the thing, once learned will no longer have <Made by Cogwheel> on it. |
| 18:22.45 | cog|work | :( |
| 18:22.55 | cog|work | that is an insult to my vanity! |
| 18:22.55 | Lopeppeppy | That sucks. |
| 18:24.11 | Lunessa | Last night, a friend asked me to let them know who I was going to get to craft mah hawg. I said "Cogwheel, no question." |
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| 18:26.22 | Lopeppeppy | Fer sher. |
| 18:26.55 | Lyn | hm |
| 18:29.31 | AbsolutRayne_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.36 | AbsolutRayne_ | WHY DO YOU MOCK ME |
| 18:29.40 | AbsolutRayne_ | whhhhyyyyyy ;_; |
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| 18:29.55 | Lopeppeppy | Give it as a gift to someone, AbsolutRayne_. |
| 18:30.04 | Lopeppeppy | Did you upload the new Cherry Lite yet? |
| 18:30.08 | Lopeppeppy | Huh, huh, didja? |
| 18:31.14 | AbsolutRayne_ | Lopeppeppy: Its zipped in the folder, give me like 10 mins |
| 18:31.18 | AbsolutRayne_ | My hunters about to level |
| 18:31.51 | Lopeppeppy | Just gently nagging, you said a few days ago that I should poke you. |
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| 18:39.45 | Anaral | Note to self: Consistency is key. I'd forgotten to change the QIDDB values for showitemType when I fixed the last bug. |
| 18:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.theonion.com/content/radio_news/vice_president_cheney_seen_0 |
| 18:40.32 | ScytheBlade1 | whoa whoa, we have a Zoot in here |
| 18:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | When did this happen |
| 18:41.10 | ScytheBlade1 | And in other news, the above link is outright amazing |
| 18:45.40 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe, nice. |
| 18:53.00 | Lunessa | SBO - Oh that's just wrong. |
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| 18:57.47 | kd3 | sigh. after a month, only a 244 line dif? |
| 18:58.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: tell me that you didn't die of laughter |
| 18:58.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: I'm curious if you can |
| 18:58.55 | Lunessa | I didn't die of laughter, unless I'm Forsaken. |
| 18:59.03 | nevcairiel | kd3: there was this weird "christmas" thing in between, wasting their time |
| 18:59.08 | Lunessa | I chuckled, but the image of a man-spider... ewww. |
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| 19:00.01 | NightHawkTheSane | what better image for him, though? :p |
| 19:00.43 | Zootfizzle | wasting? |
| 19:00.46 | Zootfizzle | >> |
| 19:01.30 | nevcairiel | well it was a waste of my time |
| 19:01.30 | NightHawkTheSane | oy.. and people wonder why our economy tanked.. http://notalwaysright.com/financial-loaves-and-fishes/1433 |
| 19:01.31 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 19:01.51 | zenzelezz | Zootfizzle: give us spell_id return in UnitBuff plix |
| 19:03.17 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED, go! |
| 19:03.39 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: I don't want it when it's cast, I want it at any random moment when iterating someone's buffs |
| 19:04.42 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 Blagojevich impeached 114-1... |
| 19:05.40 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz, ScytheBlade1: also, there's buffs that have different spells as the actual effect than the spell that the player casts etc |
| 19:06.12 | zenzelezz | Gnarfoz: I'm aiming mostly at Well Fed, which has no ranks or ways to distinguish from each other apart from the actual buff textr |
| 19:06.14 | zenzelezz | *text |
| 19:06.54 | zenzelezz | I call it "spell id" only because that's what Wowhead seems to consider them, call them buff ids or whatever you prefer |
| 19:07.45 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I was trying to point out that CLEU won't help |
| 19:08.33 | nevcairiel | more importantly, provide source arugments for CLEU SPELL_AURA_APPLIED_DOSE and SPELL_AURA_REFRESH |
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| 19:09.11 | Gnarfoz | I thought that was a performance issue |
| 19:09.27 | Fisker- | Where's my money Gnarfoz ? |
| 19:09.28 | Gnarfoz | (while the other info is obviously available to the client, just not to us) |
| 19:09.35 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: /moo and you have your answer |
| 19:09.42 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: it's for people with American accounts |
| 19:10.15 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: you can bet money that all of this is already there. except the stuff non-US players envisioned maybe. but these two are neither new, nor unknown requests. ;) |
| 19:10.19 | nevcairiel | Slouken acknowledged that its missing, but produced some argument that for stacking debuffs it would provide the source name for the initial cast, not the current one |
| 19:10.23 | nevcairiel | but thats fine by me |
| 19:10.27 | nevcairiel | and much more then nil =P |
| 19:11.05 | nevcairiel | I'm interested in HoTs, and every player has its own set of hots |
| 19:11.06 | Lopeppeppy | Zenzelezz, bribe someone to post there then. I'm always happy to post good suggestions pastied up for me. |
| 19:11.55 | Fisker- | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate - (6.1.7000) up: 13mins 26secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz 1 processor(s) at 2667MHz gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 512 512MB res: 1680x1050 32bit 59Hz ram: 1991/6134.2MB (32.45%) [|||-------] hdd: C:\ 83.35GB/279.46GB D:\ 542.27GB/931.51GB E:\ 820.52GB/931.51GB net: Marvell Yukon 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller - 100MB/s 8.99MB In 1.72MB Out |
| 19:12.04 | Fisker- | That's no answer Gnarfoz :( |
| 19:12.13 | nevcairiel | shouldnt windows 7 have a major version of 7? |
| 19:12.15 | nevcairiel | not 6.1 ? =P |
| 19:12.16 | Anaral | Kirov I'm stuck again. The only difference between my old copy that saves and the new one is that the old is named QIDTest and new is QualityID... |
| 19:12.27 | Anaral | Old --> http://www.pastey.net/105914 New --> http://www.pastey.net/105915 |
| 19:12.33 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: no |
| 19:12.45 | zenzelezz | it's been known for a long time it's not a new major |
| 19:13.01 | nevcairiel | would still make more sense |
| 19:13.04 | nevcairiel | from the naming and all |
| 19:13.21 | zenzelezz | well Windows 2000 was kernel 5, not 2000 |
| 19:13.22 | NightHawkTheSane | when has windows ever made sense? |
| 19:13.23 | zenzelezz | ;-) |
| 19:16.15 | Kirov | Anaral - yeah, I don't see anything different beyond that. |
| 19:16.39 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Uploading |
| 19:16.42 | Anaral | So why doesn't the QualityID one work? :( |
| 19:17.41 | Kirov | Anaral - No clue. For a "wtf" test, disable all your addons except this one |
| 19:17.49 | Lopeppeppy | AbsolutRayne, <3. I should get to playtest it this weekend, providing I get over this whole sick thing. |
| 19:18.12 | Anaral | Kirov Done. |
| 19:18.26 | Kirov | Anaral - now see if it saved |
| 19:21.31 | Industrial | hm I guess bind on account does not mean inter-server and inter-faction right? |
| 19:22.05 | Anaral | Kirov There is no QualityID.lua in Saved Variables. Only QIDTest.lua. |
| 19:22.06 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. The bind to account CE pets were inter-server. Dunno about inter-faction stuff. |
| 19:22.35 | Kirov | Anaral - ok, one more wtf test |
| 19:22.51 | NightHawkTheSane | BoA means you can send it to any character on the same account as the character that currently posseses it, within normal in-game mail parameters. |
| 19:23.35 | NightHawkTheSane | if you server/account transfer a character, the set of "characters on the same account/faction/realm" changes. |
| 19:24.13 | Kirov | Anaral - Double check your toc file. Then copy the name of the SavedVariable from the toc itself. |
| 19:24.36 | Kirov | Go in to the game and do /script QualityID="WTF" |
| 19:24.59 | Kirov | But paste the "QualityID" variable name |
| 19:25.27 | Kirov | QualityIDDB |
| 19:25.28 | Kirov | rather |
| 19:25.34 | Kirov | Then /reload |
| 19:26.52 | Anaral | LOL, Kirov, don't need to do that. Apparently it was all due to an extra space in the toc, neither of us noticed before |
| 19:27.08 | Kirov | *facepalm |
| 19:27.22 | Anaral | Yeah |
| 19:27.26 | Anaral | Majorly |
| 19:28.05 | Lopeppeppy | Is that the equivalent of just not having a .toc? *pokes* |
| 19:28.32 | Anaral | No, not when the space is between Saved and Variables |
| 19:29.35 | Anaral | I gave it all to you in the other channel |
| 19:29.55 | brykrys | O.o |
| 19:30.06 | brykrys | :) |
| 19:31.12 | brykrys | there's a space in your coffers now too... |
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| 19:34.06 | Thunder_Child | ~staple Shirik |
| 19:34.07 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Shirik quite well, and hands Shirik to thunder_child |
| 19:34.30 | Shirik | sorry |
| 19:34.32 | Shirik | stupid clients fighting over the nick |
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| 19:37.38 | cog|work | Lunessa: Lopeppeppy: i wonder if that squid is related to the Cuddlefish ... |
| 19:37.38 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: January 09, 2009 11:30AM PST. |
| 19:37.38 | Shiibot | We will be performing rolling restarts for the listed realms below at 12:00 PM PST, Jan 09. We anticipate that these realms will be down for no more than 15 minutes. The whole process should take approximately 1 hour.. |
| 19:37.38 | Shiibot | Argent Dawn. Aggramar. Arthas. Azgalor. Bleeding Hollow. Bloodhoof. Burning Blade. Burning Legion. Drakkari. Durotan. Earthen Ring. Elune. Eonar. Eredar. Gilneas. Gorefiend. Kargath. Laughing Skull. Lightning's Blade. Llane. Lothar |
| 19:37.40 | cog|work | ~rimshot |
| 19:37.41 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
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| 19:38.00 | cog|work | ~lart Shiibot for interrupting me |
| 19:38.00 | purl | plops Shiibot into a giant vat of herring for interrupting me |
| 19:38.28 | Lunessa | cog|work: Oy. Such a sense of humor you've got there. You get that from the "day old" bin at the fish market? Oy! |
| 19:39.24 | Amarande | hmm, is the final G3 quest where you decide your Frenzyheart/Oracle affiliation soloable? |
| 19:40.26 | KarlKFI | was by my pally |
| 19:40.33 | Shirik | woah, cog|work |
| 19:40.33 | Lopeppeppy | Cuddlefish is a myth. |
| 19:40.35 | nevcairiel | with my Dk too |
| 19:40.39 | Shirik | purl seems to understand "for <x>" |
| 19:40.48 | ArrowmasterClass | should be at 80 atleast |
| 19:40.57 | Lunessa | Amarande: I soloed it. |
| 19:41.01 | KarlKFI | ~lart Shirik lame |
| 19:41.01 | purl | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets Shirik lame feel it |
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| 19:41.20 | alestane | Fish aren't very cuddly. |
| 19:41.27 | KarlKFI | ~lart Shirik for cuddlefish |
| 19:41.27 | purl | slaps a compatible dib on Shirik's head for cuddlefish |
| 19:41.47 | cog|work | http://scienceblogs.com/shiftingbaselines/DogFacePuffer1.jpg |
| 19:41.48 | KarlKFI | you're right |
| 19:42.07 | cog|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvcgAjs6AYQ |
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| 19:43.32 | Shirik | So, I got an email from a potential employer that seems to have been very excited about bringing me on-board for an internship |
| 19:43.40 | Shirik | I'm not sure whether to consider this good news or bad news |
| 19:43.47 | Shirik | they lost my resume and wanted another copy |
| 19:43.53 | cog|work | haha |
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| 19:44.02 | Shirik | So on one side, it means I made enough of an impression that they wanted it still |
| 19:44.04 | AbsolutRayne_ | >_< |
| 19:44.08 | Shirik | on the other side.... they lost it >.> |
| 19:44.22 | Thunder_Child | shit happens |
| 19:44.28 | cog|work | they're testing you |
| 19:44.49 | KarlKFI | chance to remove all the lies imo |
| 19:44.57 | Amarande | yay also for people who do not read their quest text |
| 19:45.05 | Amarande | someone asked for a healer for Thalgran :| |
| 19:45.09 | KarlKFI | quest text, what's that |
| 19:45.21 | KarlKFI | WTB quest summaries for people iwth short attention spans |
| 19:45.25 | KarlKFI | - story |
| 19:45.45 | Zootfizzle | KarlKFI - I'm willing to bet it's what takes up most of the space in your SavedVariables :P |
| 19:45.56 | KarlKFI | what? |
| 19:46.11 | KarlKFI | oh that. no i dont use a quest helper |
| 19:46.34 | Zootfizzle | Maybe Cogwheel snuck some in when you weren't paying attention! |
| 19:46.39 | cog|work | isn't there some god somewhere to whom we can sacrifice questhelper? |
| 19:47.12 | Thunder_Child | it starts |
| 19:47.12 | ckknight | kd3: maybe the small diff is indicative that 3.0.8 will be released soon ;-) |
| 19:47.16 | KarlKFI | honestly tho since i got to 80 i dont really read quest texts unless it's a chain |
| 19:47.25 | Olorin | great, they finally put my server on free transfer and I find out they wont transfer the guild grrr |
| 19:48.01 | KarlKFI | mostly i'm just doing them for rep or gold anyway |
| 19:48.12 | Lopeppeppy | Who is the they who won't transfer? Individual guild members? |
| 19:48.15 | Shirik | I bet Zootfizzle went up there to tear up my resume |
| 19:48.25 | Shirik | it's his evil plot to rid me from society |
| 19:48.40 | Zootfizzle | Was that a freudian slip? |
| 19:48.48 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, Zoot is a Sprocket, he's a creature of goodness and light! |
| 19:48.50 | Olorin | blizzy states in their transfer rules , guilds / guild banks cant be transfered |
| 19:49.05 | KarlKFI | which is a shame |
| 19:49.20 | KarlKFI | gbank slots are expensive |
| 19:49.21 | Lopeppeppy | olorin, each individual can transfer. |
| 19:49.43 | Lopeppeppy | The transfer is not guaranteed, but if you apply early and each takes a small share of the bank... it gets there. |
| 19:49.44 | Olorin | im so much of a hording horde between me and wifes character dont have enough space to offload the guild bank, 3 tabs lol |
| 19:50.00 | Lopeppeppy | Sell some for easily portable cash. |
| 19:50.10 | Olorin | character meaning account |
| 19:50.28 | Hirsute-Exile | Bah. My University has (just this morning) put in a port block for port 22 into the student housing networks. |
| 19:50.29 | KarlKFI | that's ok, last time i transfered i didn't even have enough space to offload my bank alt onto my main for the xfer. i had to liquidate it |
| 19:50.35 | Shirik | Hirsute :( |
| 19:50.38 | Olorin | think i'll just hope they lose some population through it |
| 19:50.42 | Hirsute-Exile | Keeps me from my irc proxy. |
| 19:50.48 | Shirik | mibbit.com! |
| 19:50.54 | nevcairiel | just run an ssh on some other port =P |
| 19:51.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute-Exile: what. |
| 19:51.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ............ |
| 19:51.03 | nevcairiel | i run one on 443 because they dont block that |
| 19:51.04 | Hirsute-Exile | I can change the port to a high level port, but not until I can get back to my apartment to change the port. |
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| 19:51.06 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tem|work] by ChanServ |
| 19:51.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Why in the crap... |
| 19:51.33 | Hirsute-Exile | Why would they block it, or why would it keep me from my IRC proxy, ScytheBlade1? |
| 19:51.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Block it |
| 19:51.44 | ScytheBlade1 | (Keep in mind I go there too) |
| 19:51.44 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Because it's IT |
| 19:51.45 | Hirsute-Exile | I wish I knew. |
| 19:51.50 | Shirik | they have to feel like they're doing something |
| 19:51.53 | ArrowmasterClass | yeah ssh running on port 443 is unblockable |
| 19:51.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: our IT is pretty much awesome as a whole :P |
| 19:52.07 | Shirik | our IT is pretty much horrible as a whole |
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| 19:52.12 | Hirsute-Exile | ScytheBlade1: OIT can be... inept here. |
| 19:52.12 | Shirik | and while I would hope that they're watching this |
| 19:52.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 19:52.19 | ScytheBlade1 | That perhaps |
| 19:52.20 | Shirik | I know that they aren't, because they aren't intelligent enough |
| 19:52.22 | KarlKFI | our IT is int he same building, so i can hound them |
| 19:52.32 | ArrowmasterClass | even if they make you have to connect to https (443) via a proxy, you can still connect to a ssh server from it |
| 19:52.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Then again, I wouldn't notice... I run mine over 46683 |
| 19:53.02 | KarlKFI | then again my compy doesn't have anything blocked, only silly security blockign is on the servers |
| 19:53.03 | Dashkal | Watch that be one of his IT guys feeling pissy :p |
| 19:53.29 | Hirsute-Exile | Last time I went back and forth with their chief network engineer for a while, with him saying they didn't block port 22, until he looked at his clean access server (which the residential networks are behind), and said, "I've removed a port block for port 22 to the clean access server" |
| 19:53.31 | Tem|work | I work in the server room\ |
| 19:53.41 | nevcairiel | ArrowmasterClass: indeed, i fully proxy my laptop through school proxy -> internet ssh on 443 :) |
| 19:53.53 | Shirik | you can sniff 443 to see if it's actually HTTPS communication, can't you? You can look for the handshake |
| 19:53.55 | Tem|work | I can literally shout at the guys who would block something from my desk |
| 19:54.04 | Hirsute-Exile | Everything magically started working again. |
| 19:54.06 | nevcairiel | Shirik: thats very hard to automate |
| 19:54.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute-Exile: ha |
| 19:54.09 | Lopeppeppy | Why is it wise to sniff ports? Peeeyew! |
| 19:54.10 | Shirik | Oh I agree |
| 19:54.11 | durcyn | Shirik: not feasibly |
| 19:54.12 | Shirik | I'm just saying :) |
| 19:54.24 | durcyn | but yeah, you can make sure it's actually TLS and not, say, SSH |
| 19:54.30 | Hirsute-Exile | I just sent him a very diplomatic email. |
| 19:54.37 | Hirsute-Exile | Hopefully it was an accident or an underling. |
| 19:54.42 | Shirik | screw diplomacy |
| 19:54.42 | Hirsute-Exile | Because this is getting irritating. |
| 19:54.54 | Hirsute-Exile | Shirik: With this guy, diplomacy is the only thing that works. |
| 19:54.56 | Shirik | "Hey you, fix my port 22 or I'll just send everything through 443. You can't beat me, I am god!" |
| 19:55.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute-Exile: eh just switch it and don't worry about it ever again. |
| 19:55.15 | Hirsute-Exile | If you piss him off, he just starts filtering your mail, and blocks your port. |
| 19:55.26 | Hirsute-Exile | ScytheBlade1: I will as soon as I can connect the box again. |
| 19:55.31 | Shirik | that's when you start drilling holes in the walls |
| 19:55.32 | Dashkal | Just out of curiosity, how difficult would it be to wrap ssh with TLS and get past that anyway? (Obviously you'd want one or the other using a null cipher, just curious) |
| 19:55.34 | nevcairiel | hehe i went to our IT guy asking about some ports, after he said no i even mentioned my 443 route |
| 19:55.37 | Hirsute-Exile | contact the box. |
| 19:55.42 | nevcairiel | and he said "why do you even ask then?" =P |
| 19:55.49 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:55.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute-Exile: curious... you noticed an IPv6 address on your box? I got one the last time I was up there |
| 19:55.53 | X3 | is it hard to learn how to create mods for wow. If I know C++ then will it be difficult? |
| 19:55.57 | Shirik | did he even do the =P ? |
| 19:56.17 | Hirsute-Exile | ScytheBlade1: I don't have v6 turned on with that machine, but yes, they've started turning on IPv6 in various places here. |
| 19:56.21 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 19:56.23 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 19:56.26 | Dashkal | X3: Lua is FAR simpler than C++, but some concepts may throw you at first. It's not terribly difficult to break in |
| 19:56.32 | Shirik | X3: That is not a question that is feasible to answer |
| 19:56.49 | Shirik | It is entirely dependent upon your mindset. Some people have the ability to design algorithms and code, and some don't. |
| 19:56.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute-Exile: where'd you hear that? (That they're slowly turning it on) |
| 19:57.00 | Shirik | Just because you know a language doesn't mean you can program |
| 19:57.11 | Hirsute-Exile | I've also recently started connecting to multiple access points simultaneously when I'm up on campus. I'm still not sure how. |
| 19:57.20 | X3 | Dashkal: Well i don't know how to code at all. I'm taking a C++ class to start the basics of programming, hopefully to get the gist of it |
| 19:57.26 | ScytheBlade1 | er? o_0 |
| 19:57.27 | Shirik | that being said, for anyone with a good basis for development of algorithms and moderate intelligence, Lua is a very simple language to program in for what you would want to do |
| 19:57.36 | Shirik | You're... starting... with C++? |
| 19:57.37 | Hirsute-Exile | ScytheBlade1: I used to work running computer labs for the Library. Various departments have turned on v6 within their own networks. |
| 19:57.38 | X3 | I think once I learn one language, i will get the gist of it and hopefully be able to adapt to lua |
| 19:57.51 | Dashkal | X3: In which case you should take Shirik's warning seriously. Programming is not knowing a language or two. It's a mindset |
| 19:57.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute-Exile: that explains quite a bit, namely why I got one in the eng buildings |
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| 19:58.07 | Hirsute-Exile | ScytheBlade1: *nod* |
| 19:58.11 | Shirik | that scares me that a school would start off with C++ |
| 19:58.14 | X3 | Shirik: yes, Its the beginnger programing class here |
| 19:58.16 | Amarande | sweet, two titanium nodes within ten minutes in sholazar |
| 19:58.16 | Shirik | even if it was my first real language |
| 19:58.24 | Shirik | (no, I do not consider BASIC a real language anymore) |
| 19:58.34 | X3 | Im learning Java as well |
| 19:58.37 | Dashkal | Shirik: The first languages my post-sec taught me were Ada and Java... Still think it's strange. My first was Apple ][ Basic :p |
| 19:58.41 | X3 | for intro to programming |
| 19:58.42 | Shirik | Java makes sense |
| 19:58.53 | Shirik | C++ has way too many complex features you need to be aware of off-the-bat |
| 19:58.57 | Shirik | like memory management |
| 19:59.12 | Dashkal | Java can teach you some good habits. Just make a point of learning those habits. It gives you plenty of rope to hang yourself with (if not as much as C__) |
| 19:59.15 | Hirsute-Exile | Huh. I wonder what they teach here. I learned Basic, then perl, then php, then lua. |
| 19:59.15 | Dashkal | C++* |
| 19:59.19 | X3 | Hmm, my professor seems to think that its fairly easy to start off with |
| 19:59.23 | Coren{de} | afaik there was a version of C++ for the lazy, i.e. with garbage collector... |
| 19:59.32 | Shirik | Yeah, it's called .NET :P |
| 19:59.34 | Hirsute-Exile | But that was all me teaching myself by examining other people's code and doing tutorials. |
| 19:59.38 | Tem|work | F |
| 19:59.39 | Tem|work | U |
| 19:59.40 | Coren{de} | (not .NET) |
| 19:59.40 | Tem|work | C |
| 19:59.41 | Tem|work | K |
| 19:59.44 | Tem|work | DOT |
| 19:59.45 | Tem|work | N |
| 19:59.45 | Tem|work | E |
| 19:59.46 | Tem|work | T |
| 19:59.46 | Shirik | LOL |
| 19:59.53 | AbsolutRayne_ | why is it STILL uploading? :/ |
| 19:59.57 | Shirik | I like .NET, it makes finding keyloggers so much easier |
| 20:00.01 | Coren{de} | .NET is a sickness (and its own cure :>) |
| 20:00.13 | Shirik | X3, what school do you go to? |
| 20:00.16 | Shirik | or is this a high school, etc? |
| 20:00.17 | Tem|work | Overcomplex system is overcomplex |
| 20:00.21 | Cide | python is the easiest |
| 20:00.24 | Shirik | f python |
| 20:00.25 | X3 | BYU-Idaho, its a university |
| 20:00.25 | Cide | import keyloggerfinder |
| 20:00.37 | Tem|work | ~python ++ |
| 20:00.37 | purl | ACTION sends a jittery python to attack ++. |
| 20:00.40 | Coren{de} | easy is *not* the way to go for people learning their first language |
| 20:00.43 | ScytheBlade1 | X3: I have several friends up there |
| 20:00.44 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:00.45 | Cide | fail Tem|work |
| 20:00.46 | Dashkal | I still likes me my java. I just wish JNI wasn't such a pain. WTB reflection against DLLs in the jre. |
| 20:00.49 | Tem|work | Python ++ |
| 20:00.54 | Cide | ~python++ |
| 20:00.55 | Tem|work | ~karma Python |
| 20:00.55 | purl | python has karma of 9 |
| 20:00.56 | Shirik | ~Tem++ |
| 20:00.59 | Hirsute-Exile | X3: *Really*? Interesting. (regarding that'swhat Ydaho is teaching). |
| 20:01.09 | X3 | ScytheBlade1: really? Thats interesting. Its a small school |
| 20:01.11 | Shirik | JNI isn't too too bad |
| 20:01.18 | Shirik | took me not too long to figure it out |
| 20:01.20 | Dashkal | Coren{de}: easy may not be, but simple (correct construct simple, not BASIC simple) is a good thing |
| 20:01.21 | Shirik | it's very unforgiving though |
| 20:01.24 | Shirik | but what do you expect |
| 20:01.24 | X3 | Hirsute-Exile what do you mean |
| 20:01.41 | Dashkal | I expected it to be what it is, just annoys me when I need to interface with something OTHER than c/c++ |
| 20:01.45 | Coren{de} | I'd rather see C++ taught first than Java or any other language with lets one off the hook with strictness |
| 20:01.55 | Hirsute-Exile | X3: Just interesting. I'm familiar with the school, it's near mine. |
| 20:02.03 | Shirik | in all honesty, I would prefer that the JVM wraps JNI calls with a check for GPFs and throws a NullPointerException in their place |
| 20:02.04 | Hirsute-Exile | Interesting to see what people around us are teaching. |
| 20:02.07 | Cide | Coren{de}: that's still a stupid argument, and always has been |
| 20:02.22 | Shirik | most OSes should support that |
| 20:02.28 | nevcairiel | My school still starts with teaching pascal |
| 20:02.30 | Coren{de} | Cide, I have seen enough shabby code, I made up my mind, sorry :) |
| 20:02.37 | Shirik | My school starts with teaching C and Java |
| 20:02.49 | Dashkal | C++ is not strict. That's the problem. It makes it VERY easy to do VERY bad things. |
| 20:02.50 | nevcairiel | Pascal -> C -> Java -> other small languages |
| 20:02.55 | Cide | many people who start in computer science without a great feel for it are probably overwhelmed by the actual concepts alone |
| 20:02.58 | Shirik | Java is the first real programming class |
| 20:03.03 | Cide | Dashkal: the syntax is still very strict |
| 20:03.04 | Shirik | C is actually for all engineers |
| 20:03.43 | Shirik | so |
| 20:03.46 | Shirik | back to the other problem |
| 20:03.50 | Shirik | I'm considering applying to Microsoft |
| 20:03.51 | Coren{de} | Dashkal, but at least it blows up nice, instead of covering potential bugs under layers of "safety" which are harder to track |
| 20:03.57 | Shirik | before I do, should I remove this line from my resume: |
| 20:04.00 | nevcairiel | Shirik: dont bond with the devil |
| 20:04.02 | X3 | Ok well my main question is this, If I learn java and C++, and I'm good at programming them, will i be able to code and learn LUA if I adapt? |
| 20:04.04 | Shirik | •Experience with UNIX-based operating systems including Linux. |
| 20:04.11 | Shirik | •Experience with real-time operating systems including VxWorks and QNX. |
| 20:04.11 | Thunder_Child | like you dont get bitched at enough now Shirik |
| 20:04.12 | krka | X3: Whenever someone writes Lua in upper case, god kills a kitten. :( :-P |
| 20:04.19 | Dashkal | Coren{de}: That is part of why I like Java. Something asplodes and you find out why with a lovely exception. |
| 20:04.26 | Dashkal | (No, java isn't perfect, I simply prefer it) |
| 20:04.42 | Shirik | I dislike Java, but it does have its uses (which is why I use it from time to time) |
| 20:04.44 | Cide | that is part of why I like python. something asplodes, python is awesome and fixes itself for you |
| 20:04.46 | Shirik | (like the mmoui manager) |
| 20:04.50 | Coren{de} | Shirik, afaik M$ *has* a department which is working close to POSIX-like systems... |
| 20:04.54 | Hirsute-Exile | X3: Probably. I knew perl and php coming into it, and while it's been a little confusing at times, I've been able to learn. |
| 20:05.18 | Shirik | speaking of which, I should be working on that |
| 20:05.23 | Tem|work | a friend of mine works at M$ |
| 20:05.25 | Industrial | I'm reeally dislike java. They are shoving it down my throat anyway at school :p |
| 20:05.28 | Tem|work | he works on Office for Mac |
| 20:05.31 | Industrial | -'m |
| 20:05.38 | Dashkal | I learned perl once upon a time, but perl isn't a language appropriate for dabblers. It requires far too much mind-bandwidth on the part of the programmer |
| 20:05.40 | Tem|work | I prefer java to C# |
| 20:05.49 | Dashkal | Tem: Oh god yes |
| 20:05.54 | nevcairiel | I never bothered to learn perl |
| 20:06.04 | Dashkal | For scripting I use python or lua |
| 20:06.06 | ArrowmasterClass | Tem|work: i need more xp corp keys that work with microsoft update |
| 20:06.07 | Hirsute-Exile | Dashkal: Interesting, it was really easy for me, at least, for doing the tasks I used it for. |
| 20:06.21 | Dashkal | Hirsute-Exile: I get confused by all the $_ bits |
| 20:06.25 | nevcairiel | Speaking of weird languages, i have to write a paper on OOP with Oberon |
| 20:06.31 | Tem|work | anything that makes me do silly things with variable names (*glare* perl) isn't worth my time |
| 20:06.39 | Hirsute-Exile | Dashkal: Aah. Yeah. I can see that. |
| 20:06.40 | Dashkal | Remembering that the _ variable is whatever I did last and such is difficult for me |
| 20:06.42 | Shirik | Jan 9, 2009 XML Intern China - PRC, Shanghai |
| 20:06.42 | Coren{de} | Oberon? there's really someone still using Oberon? 8D |
| 20:06.45 | Shirik | wtf is an "XML Intern" |
| 20:06.58 | Cide | <sarcasm>intern</sarcasm> |
| 20:07.00 | nevcairiel | Coren{de}: probalby not, but they make us do it anyway |
| 20:07.09 | Dashkal | Only reason I still know $_ is because I use perl one-liners for string replacements |
| 20:07.13 | Hirsute-Exile | Tem|work: that's why I liked it. It was immediately obvious what type of variable it was just looking at it. That was one of the hardest things for me to figure out coming over to Lua |
| 20:07.28 | Tem|work | I can't stand that crap |
| 20:07.38 | Cide | how do you know what type of variable it is by just looking at it? |
| 20:07.44 | AbsoRayne | oops |
| 20:07.59 | Dashkal | Cide: In Perl $foo is a scaler (single value) and @bar is an array |
| 20:08.02 | Coren{de} | Hirsute, noone stops you from Hungarianizing your variables in LUA ;) |
| 20:08.05 | Dashkal | Makes it nice and clear |
| 20:08.08 | Hirsute-Exile | Cide: In perl if it's $foo it's a scalar, if it's @foo its an array, if it's %foo it's a hash. |
| 20:08.23 | Cide | ah, I thought you meant typed languages in general |
| 20:08.27 | Cide | strongly typed |
| 20:08.28 | Hirsute-Exile | No, just in perl. |
| 20:08.31 | Cide | I don't know perl |
| 20:08.33 | Dashkal | In java, lua, etc, I just try to name my variables descriptively enough to tell |
| 20:08.34 | Hirsute-Exile | and other similar languages. |
| 20:08.42 | Cide | /hate that |
| 20:08.50 | Tem|work | strongly typed is fine |
| 20:08.54 | Tem|work | and has its place |
| 20:08.56 | Cide | I mean hungarian notation |
| 20:09.07 | Hirsute-Exile | Coren{de}: I know I *could* do it, but I generally just comment my code copiously so special notation isn't necessary. |
| 20:09.11 | Tem|work | it's when you make the variable name have something to do with its type that you piss me off |
| 20:09.14 | Hirsute-Exile | Unfortunately, most people don't. |
| 20:09.15 | Cide | strongly typed is fine |
| 20:09.22 | Dashkal | hungarian is too far for me. The tool (Read: IDE) can handle that in a tooltip |
| 20:09.22 | Coren{de} | Cide, depends which book one follows :) |
| 20:09.26 | nevcairiel | noone uses hungarian notation anymore |
| 20:09.44 | Cide | Coren{de}: if you follow common sense it doesn't follow |
| 20:09.47 | Cide | err |
| 20:09.49 | Cide | doesn't depend |
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| 20:10.01 | Cide | but go ahead and follow a book |
| 20:10.06 | Cide | I, for one, look things up in my gut. |
| 20:10.14 | Hirsute-Exile | ... eeeew. |
| 20:10.24 | Cide | someone didn't catch the reference |
| 20:10.25 | Dashkal | Did you have a window mod installed to check it easier? |
| 20:10.36 | Cide | two people didn't |
| 20:10.37 | Coren{de} | Cide, I meant, Hungarian has at least three actually fundamentally different types of logic, and the original inventor is *not* at all happy with the commonly chosen type |
| 20:10.52 | Cide | (did anyone?) |
| 20:11.09 | Hirsute-Exile | Not I, of course. |
| 20:11.34 | ZealotOnAStick | Code should be written clearly enough that comments are rarely necessary. |
| 20:11.50 | Hirsute-Exile | ZealotOnAStick: Should be, almost never is. |
| 20:12.36 | Coren{de} | It should also snow on christmas, but alas, reality... |
| 20:12.36 | Dashkal | Comments should always be necessary to explain the _rationale_ behind the code. If you need the comments to understand what the code does, that's a problem |
| 20:12.43 | foxlit | I propose we move the birthday of our lord and saviour to February. |
| 20:12.48 | Hirsute-Exile | Dashkal: Or it just means you're learning by looking at code. |
| 20:13.37 | nevcairiel | i++; // Increases i by one |
| 20:13.39 | Coren{de} | I like that. Another thing is, comments should describe what alternatives were available and why those were /not/ chosen :) |
| 20:14.04 | Hirsute-Exile | nevcairiel: I generally don't need *that* much commenting. |
| 20:14.08 | Hirsute-Exile | *grin* |
| 20:14.36 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: yeah, for that kind of thing if the reader doesn't understand i++ they should be forced to read the damn references :p |
| 20:14.36 | Coren{de} | nev, that rocks even more when the i++ was meanwhile changed... :> |
| 20:14.38 | Cide | re: looking things up in my gut |
| 20:14.39 | Cide | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa-4E8ZDj9s |
| 20:15.00 | ArrowmasterClass | Cide: i thought you guys discontinued CT_RaidAssist for 3.0? |
| 20:15.02 | ZealotOnAStick | In addition to a device that allows you to strangle people over the phone and slap people over the internet . . . |
| 20:15.08 | Cide | 3:12 |
| 20:15.13 | Dashkal | for (i = -100; --i; i++) { ... } :p |
| 20:15.17 | Cide | ArrowmasterClass: I thought so too, but who knew! |
| 20:15.18 | ZealotOnAStick | there should be one that smacks programmers with a copy of Code Complete |
| 20:15.21 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: they resurrected it :( |
| 20:15.29 | ArrowmasterClass | Cide: so blame TS? |
| 20:15.39 | Cide | why blame anyone? it's a great addon! |
| 20:15.44 | ArrowmasterClass | no its not |
| 20:15.48 | Cide | hey fuck you |
| 20:15.55 | nevcairiel | Someone said it still reports druid rebirth as 30 minutes |
| 20:15.56 | ArrowmasterClass | i had to look at it to see if the reagent check was updated |
| 20:15.56 | X3 | no fuck me |
| 20:15.59 | nevcairiel | which was changed a year ago |
| 20:16.00 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 20:16.12 | ArrowmasterClass | its still got a ChatFrame_OnEvent hook which causes taint |
| 20:16.18 | Cide | oh no |
| 20:16.23 | alestane | I would like to see (and maybe someone's doing it) that when you make a raid member a main tank or main assist in CTRA/oRA2, it also designates them such in the Blizzard interface. |
| 20:16.25 | ArrowmasterClass | and its still checking for the pre 2.4 death event for the MT death warning |
| 20:16.45 | Cide | clearly I care |
| 20:16.53 | ArrowmasterClass | yeah i know |
| 20:16.59 | Cide | (no, I'm not the one maintaining ctra) |
| 20:17.14 | ArrowmasterClass | i figured that |
| 20:18.51 | ZealotOnAStick | You'd think that'd be a pretty easy addon for oRA2. |
| 20:19.05 | ZealotOnAStick | but maybe the blizzard interface portion of that is icky. I dunno. |
| 20:19.23 | ZealotOnAStick | I know it was annoying on Failmyst. |
| 20:19.31 | Lopeppeppy | Why would it be added though? The purpose of oRA2 is to have people use it. If it's controlling the Bliz interface instead... why bother having it? |
| 20:20.15 | nevcairiel | Hm |
| 20:20.16 | alestane | Sadly, setting someone as a main tank or main assist requires a SABT. So you'd have to replace the button and then wrap it with insecure code that does the oRA part. |
| 20:20.21 | nevcairiel | I though settings MT was preotected |
| 20:20.41 | ZealotOnAStick | SABT? |
| 20:20.55 | nevcairiel | i guessed SecureActionButton |
| 20:21.17 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: What about someone like me who generally prefers the Bliz raid frames (or at least finds them adequate), but whose raid leaders have to be badgered into using the /ma and /mt commands because they're totally used to oRA/CTRA? |
| 20:21.26 | alestane | "SecureActionButtonTemplate" |
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| 20:22.32 | Lopeppeppy | I love you alestane... but it's up to you to adapt to the raid leader 99% of the time. 1 person verus 24 others... I'm not sure I'd take the time either. |
| 20:22.47 | alestane | That's why I'm saying make them interoperate. |
| 20:22.51 | nevcairiel | Maybe i can bug Ammo to do that in oRA3 :) |
| 20:23.02 | Lopeppeppy | There ya go, feature request for oRA3. |
| 20:23.14 | alestane | Then when he does what he's thinking I get what I need at the same time. |
| 20:23.26 | nevcairiel | I dont think you can easily inject a secure button in the damn dewdrop config dropdown of oRA2 |
| 20:23.53 | Cide | that's what you get for using fucking dropdowns for configuration |
| 20:23.57 | ArrowmasterClass | imho oRA3 should use the builtin maintank mainassist stuff but give it an order since currently theres no way to set an order on them |
| 20:24.01 | Coren{de} | Anyone have an URL with a list of those pesky data broker display modules? I think there's more than Fubar and Titan, but the list @WoWI is just mixing everything together into one chaos :/ |
| 20:24.03 | Lopeppeppy | Cide has a favorite word today. |
| 20:24.06 | ArrowmasterClass | and now class is over so gota go |
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| 20:24.16 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: s/to/every / |
| 20:24.34 | Lopeppeppy | Fubar, Titan, SL Data text... those are the three I can think of off the top of my head, Coren{de} |
| 20:24.45 | foxlit | wonder what the heck they were thinking with cooking skill levels :/ |
| 20:25.16 | AckisWork | foxlit: they weren't |
| 20:25.23 | durcyn | does titan actually display LDB junk now? fubar doesn't without a plugin. |
| 20:25.24 | nevcairiel | NinjaPanel > * |
| 20:25.38 | Tekkub | titan has for a long time |
| 20:26.12 | Tem|work | that kind of shocks me |
| 20:26.19 | durcyn | anyway, native LDB display addons are fortress, buttonbin, ninjapanel, quickie, makerocketgonow, and, uh others i forget |
| 20:26.49 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8207-RaynesBurntBlackCherryLite.html Good to go |
| 20:26.54 | Coren{de} | thanks, durcyn :) |
| 20:27.26 | Torhal | There's also DockingStation |
| 20:27.58 | Coren{de} | MakeRocketGoNow sounds the funniest, I guess that's the first I'll try ;) |
| 20:28.01 | Lopeppeppy | <3 AbsolutRayne! |
| 20:28.05 | Xinhuan | there's also ButtonBin |
| 20:28.11 | durcyn | MRGN only does launchers iirc |
| 20:28.22 | durcyn | see also: Carousel, StatBlocksCore |
| 20:28.24 | Coren{de} | d'oh |
| 20:28.26 | ZealotOnAStick | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.46 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: :emme know when you get it and set it up |
| 20:28.52 | AbsolutRayne | Wanna make sure it installs ok |
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| 20:29.36 | Lopeppeppy | Sometime this weekend, AbsolutRayne. Depends on if I get better fast or slow. :) |
| 20:30.13 | durcyn | ZealotOnAStick: i thought b2f injected LFP-3 plugins, which means Rock, no? |
| 20:30.46 | Shirik | woah |
| 20:30.54 | nevcairiel | b2f uses fubar2 plugins |
| 20:30.56 | Shirik | my GPA gets "reset" when I enter the graduate program? |
| 20:30.57 | nevcairiel | or? |
| 20:31.16 | Shirik | I'm taking my first graduate class this semester and it's on a completely different transcript :/ |
| 20:31.20 | Shirik | My GPA is 0.00 T_T |
| 20:31.22 | ZealotOnAStick | Does Fubar 3.5.whateveridon'tcare handle LDB stuff now? |
| 20:31.29 | nevcairiel | durcyn: anyway, the LFP-3.0 on wowace doesnt need Rock, Arrowmaster fixed it to work without Rock |
| 20:31.34 | durcyn | i remember seeing something about f2b only doing lfp-2 and b2f only doing lfp-3, maybe that's changed |
| 20:31.41 | durcyn | nevcairiel: right, but the display is still fubar |
| 20:31.51 | nevcairiel | thats true |
| 20:32.08 | durcyn | and fubar 2 doesn't like lfp-3, unless that was also fixed |
| 20:32.20 | nevcairiel | noone fixes fubar2 anymore |
| 20:32.30 | nevcairiel | most of its users went to LDB displays |
| 20:32.33 | ZealotOnAStick | I personally don't care about the framework. I just wanted my stuff to continue working in the manner I was accustomed to, and other people changing up shit, supporting on or the other, or in some cases both, was an aggravation. |
| 20:32.34 | durcyn | unless you're the sort of person that likes using Rock |
| 20:32.51 | durcyn | nothing personal, ckknight :/ |
| 20:33.01 | Coren{de} | Quickie's not on WoWI or has some different name there? |
| 20:33.01 | nevcairiel | he doesnt even himself anymore |
| 20:33.03 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 20:33.08 | ZealotOnAStick | or you're the sort of a person who doesn't -care- if it's rock or ace3 or whatever. |
| 20:33.08 | ckknight | durcyn: hope you realize that both Cart3 and PB4 don't use Rock |
| 20:33.21 | ckknight | Rock is a political failure |
| 20:33.50 | durcyn | Coren{de}: pretty sure it's also just launchers, and it'd be on tekkub.net or wherever he's keeping his repos nowawdays |
| 20:34.34 | Coren{de} | mmh... I guess then, Fortress is the way to go right now ;) |
| 20:35.01 | durcyn | that's what i've been using.. ninjapanel'd win if it could hide things, cough cough |
| 20:35.18 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, that means you have a clean slate and you can make it whatever you want it to be. |
| 20:35.23 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 20:35.35 | Shirik | It also means I can't screw up this semester :P |
| 20:35.43 | cog|work | there was a ptr update today? |
| 20:35.47 | Lopeppeppy | No pressure, babe |
| 20:36.24 | Coren{de} | Shirik, that's a matter of choice... :> |
| 20:36.56 | ZealotOnAStick | anyone have a handy url for ninjapanel? |
| 20:37.04 | durcyn | ZealotOnAStick: cladhaire.wowinterface.com |
| 20:37.26 | cog|work | anyone? |
| 20:37.26 | Coren{de} | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11884-NinjaPanel.html |
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| 20:38.43 | ZealotOnAStick | Ooh, that looks like it has promise, once it's fleshed out more and has more config options. |
| 20:39.11 | KarlKFI | hey, clad finally came up with a name for it |
| 20:39.18 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, if you make me throw up, you're cleaning it up! |
| 20:39.33 | alestane | I would be a cad not to. |
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| 20:39.46 | Shirik | I really love this guy |
| 20:40.08 | KarlKFI | WTS config options |
| 20:40.15 | Shirik | I sent him my resume on his request, and he says "They never teach us in grad school about the Microsoft Outlook gremlins." |
| 20:40.17 | KarlKFI | Cheeper than AH, pst |
| 20:40.42 | KarlKFI | Outlook IS a gremlin |
| 20:40.50 | Lopeppeppy | Reply, "They expect that to be internship experience credits. :) " |
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| 20:42.17 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Have you seen "Fever Pitch"? |
| 20:42.23 | Lopeppeppy | Don't think so. |
| 20:42.46 | alestane | It's about Drew Barrymore falling in love with a fanatic Red Sox fan. |
| 20:42.54 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew. to both |
| 20:43.04 | durcyn | what's wrong with drew barrymore? |
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| 20:43.25 | KarlKFI | I'm jealous now tho, he has 3x the favorites and 10x the comments as my last released addon... |
| 20:43.37 | KarlKFI | I'm gonn ahave to come up with better more awesomer ideas |
| 20:43.37 | Lopeppeppy | If she had a thinner layer of "fake" on, you might see that she's a barbie doll. But she coats it on so thickly you can't see it very well. |
| 20:43.42 | alestane | He shows up for their first date and she's completely sick, and she's telling him to go home and instead he spends half the night holding her head for her and trying to get something to stay down and passing out on the couch. |
| 20:44.26 | alestane | And I was watching going, "Okay girl, if you let this one go you're certifiable." |
| 20:44.32 | Coren{de} | "holding her head for her"... so sounds like an Undead movie :> |
| 20:44.58 | KarlKFI | heads are heavy, neck muscles need a break every now any then] |
| 20:45.23 | alestane | Especially when you're throwing up. |
| 20:45.49 | Lopeppeppy | I have been known to eviscerate anyone near me when I'm that sick. *nod* |
| 20:47.01 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> I dont suppose anyone else is getting stuck at "Authenticating"? |
| 20:47.17 | Lopeppeppy | NHTS, is yours one of the realms getting a rolling restart? |
| 20:47.23 | alestane | Having issues around there all of a sudden, yes. |
| 20:47.30 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 20:47.58 | foxlit | Interesting that WoW ends up using around 50% of available CPU time :/ |
| 20:48.12 | NightHawkTheSane | even if it was, why would it bail at "Authenticating", that has nothing to do with the realms server itself i'd imagine :p |
| 20:48.52 | Dashkal | It would if many people on a the rebooting servers are reconnecting all at once and overloading the auth server |
| 20:49.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yuh-huh. |
| 20:50.07 | NightHawkTheSane | but, again, why would that have anything to do with my server being rebooted or not? :P |
| 20:50.43 | Lopeppeppy | They aren't the same orange, but they are all interconnected fruits in the great World of Warcraft Still Life. |
| 20:50.51 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: Where geographically are you (roughly). |
| 20:51.00 | NightHawkTheSane | pacific northwest |
| 20:51.05 | NeoTron | I think this weekend I'll focus most of my time in WoW to work on some various addon issues. it's about time |
| 20:51.13 | alestane | Okay, not using the same routers as me at all then. |
| 20:51.48 | Lunessa | Forums fall down go boom? |
| 20:51.59 | alestane | But as Peppy points out, if everyone one the realms that did get rebooted all tries to log back in at once, the authentication network gets jammed up with them, even though they're not from your server. |
| 20:51.59 | NightHawkTheSane | i guess this is as good a time as any to go make breakfast. sucks getting d/c'd in the middle of an instance, though. |
| 20:52.01 | Lopeppeppy | NHTS, there's your answer. General auth issues. |
| 20:52.14 | alestane | Also my PTR tracker isn't working. |
| 20:52.28 | Lopeppeppy | If the forums go boom, it's tied to the auth servers, which go boom in domino dancing effect. |
| 20:52.54 | alestane | Or the forums and the realms are victims of the same auth server issues. |
| 20:53.24 | NightHawkTheSane | All i really asked is if anyone else was having issues. :P |
| 20:53.32 | alestane | "Yes." |
| 20:53.33 | Lopeppeppy | Forum auth, game auth, all made in california!! |
| 20:54.32 | Lunessa | American parts, Russian parts! All made in Taiwan! *beats machinery with a pipe* It's fix! We can go home now? |
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| 20:56.24 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly. |
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| 20:59.51 | Hirsute-Exile | Hrmmm. Is there a way to get an npc's description? I know you can use UnitName() to get a vendor's name, for example, but is there a function that will give me it's title/description (<Pet Supplies>, for example)? |
| 21:01.14 | Mike-N-Go | SeaHooks (http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4349) was last updated two years ago (12-17-2006), I ponder if they still work :O |
| 21:02.40 | KarlKFI | why do you want to use it? |
| 21:03.05 | KarlKFI | it should still work just fine. tho i haven't tested it recently |
| 21:03.05 | End | morbid curiousity? ;-) |
| 21:03.21 | Lopeppeppy | I keep reading that as Seal Hooks. THAT is morbid. |
| 21:03.30 | KarlKFI | it taints everything it hooks, so it's not especially useful any more |
| 21:03.53 | KarlKFI | still does what it originally did of course. |
| 21:04.11 | KarlKFI | would work fine for hooking your own code |
| 21:04.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: morbid indeed |
| 21:04.29 | KarlKFI | works for hooking blizzard code if you're sure the taint wont hurt |
| 21:04.38 | nevcairiel | If you need to hook your own code, you should rethink design =P |
| 21:04.45 | KarlKFI | possibly |
| 21:04.58 | KarlKFI | but then it's a generic hooking, set and forget |
| 21:05.21 | KarlKFI | if you want fast or small, you'd be better off coding your own solution |
| 21:05.52 | KarlKFI | the onyl real up side is that multiple addons can hook the same function safely if they all use SeaHooks |
| 21:05.56 | nevcairiel | most hooking i need these days is either :HookScript or hooksecurefunc |
| 21:06.01 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 21:06.14 | KarlKFI | right, that's why it's mostly abandoned |
| 21:06.30 | Tem|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.45 | Tem|work | 81 line SQL mess using 4 sub queries reduced to 20 lines |
| 21:06.53 | Tem|work | without doing anything that makes it harder to read |
| 21:07.09 | KarlKFI | only reason i would use it is if I needed a 'before' hook, wanted to be able to 'unhook', or wanted to be able to combine replacement, after and before hooks |
| 21:07.17 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, SeaHooks is not always good to use? So you recommend that I should use hooksecurefunc() instead? |
| 21:07.23 | Shirik | rofl |
| 21:07.25 | Shirik | I love my guild |
| 21:07.32 | KarlKFI | if you just want an 'after' hook, then yes |
| 21:07.40 | Shirik | We're discussing the option of adding DKP for being on-time to raids |
| 21:07.42 | Shirik | someone says |
| 21:07.45 | Shirik | "But instead of saying "I'm docking you 4 DKP based on clause 3, paragraph 8 of the Heresiarch Raider's Compendium (Rev. 2c)" I trust them to know that what they did was retarded and they won't do it again." |
| 21:07.46 | KarlKFI | just use hooksecurefunc or HookScript |
| 21:08.10 | Tem|work | Shirik: don't use DKP |
| 21:08.12 | Tem|work | problem sovled |
| 21:08.15 | Shirik | DKP is awesome |
| 21:08.15 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 21:08.24 | KarlKFI | DKP can die ina fire |
| 21:08.26 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, my group added it for on time, but did not dock it for late. They just missed the bonus, that's all. |
| 21:08.27 | Tem|work | I ___hate___ dkp |
| 21:08.36 | Shirik | That's what I proposed, Lopeppeppy |
| 21:08.42 | Tem|work | Lopeppeppy: that's the feelgood version of the same thing |
| 21:08.44 | KarlKFI | i raided Sunwell on DKP and wanted to kill myself |
| 21:08.48 | Tem|work | except it causes inflation faster |
| 21:08.51 | Shirik | The above statement was with regards to the morons that locked themselves out last night |
| 21:08.58 | Shirik | (For those of you that heard me yelling) |
| 21:09.02 | Tem|work | ... |
| 21:09.02 | Lopeppeppy | I like the idea of docking for bad much much better. Punish the rat bastards. |
| 21:09.09 | Tem|work | people locked themselves on raids you guys run? |
| 21:09.13 | Shirik | nono |
| 21:09.17 | Shirik | They were farming instances |
| 21:09.23 | Shirik | and got the 5 instance per hour lockout |
| 21:09.25 | nevcairiel | haha instance limit |
| 21:09.32 | Tem|work | hahahahaha lol |
| 21:09.35 | KarlKFI | Mike-N-Go, what kind of hooks are you doing? |
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| 21:10.25 | Mike-N-Go | Hooks around the trade window and the API calls associated with it. |
| 21:10.41 | Mike-N-Go | "Window Teller" Is the name of what I am making. |
| 21:11.09 | KarlKFI | basically if you only want 'after' hooks I would always use hooksecurefunc, and if you want to 'unhook' just use a self.myaddonflag boolean or whatever. |
| 21:11.18 | Mike-N-Go | It is to maintain a history of what move via the trade window. |
| 21:12.08 | Mike-N-Go | Why would one want to unhook something? |
| 21:12.18 | KarlKFI | to disable the functionality |
| 21:13.11 | KarlKFI | but 'unhooking is really just conceptual, because you can't really safely unhook anything. onyl safe way to do it is with a flag-like construct |
| 21:13.25 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks for the info. I have not done too much with hooks. |
| 21:13.32 | KarlKFI | or in Sea's case it iterated over a table of hooks and you just removed your func from the table |
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| 21:14.23 | KarlKFI | which is another valid way to do it, btu only worth it if you want to allow multiple hooks of the same function, which single addons generally dont do |
| 21:14.42 | KarlKFI | unless they're implementing some sort of plugin system |
| 21:14.55 | Mike-N-Go | Isn't there sometimes problems with different addons hooking the same things? |
| 21:15.00 | KarlKFI | yes |
| 21:15.36 | Mike-N-Go | Is it only when it completely overrides the original function? Or is it something with the order they are called? |
| 21:15.44 | KarlKFI | some of both |
| 21:16.11 | KarlKFI | there are a lot of complexities, i could talk about it for hours, but you dont really want to know all that |
| 21:16.50 | KarlKFI | suffice to say, hooksecurefunc avoids the unhooking problem, because you CANT unhook with it |
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| 21:17.01 | Shirik | ostrich algorithm |
| 21:17.24 | Mike-N-Go | No, not right now :) I'll ask if I have any questions as they come. |
| 21:18.00 | KarlKFI | so the only real problem you have to worry about is ordering, or other addons creating unexpected functionality which throws off your assumptions |
| 21:19.07 | KarlKFI | but ordering is only really a problem if the other problem exists, so you can largely ignore it until a conflict is reported |
| 21:19.07 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: January 09, 2009 1:15 PM PST. |
| 21:19.07 | Shiibot | The authentication server is down for urgent maintenance and the following realms are also undergoing urgent maintenance. We currently have no estimate on when these will be available for play again and will provide further details when they are available. Thank you for your patience. |
| 21:19.07 | Shiibot | Agamaggan. Alexstrasza. Alleria. Arathor. Azjol-Nerub. Azshara. Baelgun. Balnazzar. Blackhand. Bloodscalp. Bonechewer. Boulderfist. Bronzebeard. Cho'gall. Crushridge. Daggerspine. Dark Iron. Darkspear. Destromath. Dethecus |
| 21:19.25 | KarlKFI | owned |
| 21:19.59 | End | <3 Shiibot |
| 21:20.57 | ZealotOnAStick | Good. |
| 21:21.16 | ZealotOnAStick | More Blackhand problems, maybe it'll encourage some more fuckwads to take the free transfer off server. |
| 21:21.33 | Tem|work | !wowalert |
| 21:21.43 | Tem|work | Shirik: reenable that feature imo |
| 21:21.56 | nevcairiel | ~wowalert |
| 21:21.57 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 21:21.58 | NightHawkTheSane | what the crap? http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/01/09/lunchtime_quickie_1 |
| 21:22.01 | nevcairiel | click already |
| 21:22.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ZealotOnAStick: nah, that never works. |
| 21:23.17 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: w t f |
| 21:25.26 | NightHawkTheSane | http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/01/07/today_in_edible_varmint |
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| 21:26.10 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: January 09, 2009 1:15 PM PST. |
| 21:26.10 | Shiibot | The authentication server is down for urgent maintenance and the following realms are also undergoing urgent maintenance. We currently have no estimate on when these will be available for play again and will provide further details when they are available. Thank you for your patience. |
| 21:26.10 | Shiibot | Agamaggan. Alexstrasza. Alleria. Arathor. Azjol-Nerub. Azshara. Baelgun. Balnazzar. Blackhand. Bloodscalp. Bonechewer. Boulderfist. Bronzebeard. Cho'gall. Crushridge. Daggerspine. Dark Iron. Darkspear. Destromath. Dethecus |
| 21:26.22 | Shirik | Tem|work: It should be enabled |
| 21:26.32 | Shirik | Oh |
| 21:26.34 | nevcairiel | thats the same damn announcement <.< |
| 21:26.35 | Shirik | It is enabled |
| 21:26.37 | Shirik | You're just a moron |
| 21:27.00 | Shirik | Tem|work: There's a time limit |
| 21:27.08 | Shirik | Don't try to do a !wowalert right after it posted the alert |
| 21:27.31 | Shirik | Can't kick me if I'm not in the channel! |
| 21:27.31 | Shirik | HA |
| 21:27.37 | Tem|work | DAMNIT |
| 21:27.38 | Tem|work | lol |
| 21:28.20 | Shirik | yeah nevcairiel, I'm not sure what caused that |
| 21:28.39 | AbsolutRayne | Anyone not busy? Wanna help me out by DLing my new version of my UI and make sure it installs right? |
| 21:28.45 | Shirik | However it does track if it's going back and forth between what it thinks are two different messages, so that it shouldn't keep spamming it :P |
| 21:28.59 | Shirik | I think it occurs when the launcher server gets flooded |
| 21:31.21 | Shirik | In general, it's bad if you have so many applications open that you need a second taskbar page |
| 21:31.26 | Shirik | I think it's worse when those apps are: |
| 21:31.39 | Shirik | Netbeans, Matlab, Labview, Simulink, Word, Excel |
| 21:31.49 | Shirik | Not to mention that I have Chrome, Firefox, AND internet explorer all open |
| 21:31.52 | Shirik | oh and Visual Studio |
| 21:32.23 | Shirik | os: Windows Vista Ultimate, SP1 :: cpu: Intel Core2 Duo T8100 2.10GHz (at 2101 MHz) :: mem: 3056/4094 MB (74%) :: gfx: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3470 (1280x800x32bit 60Hz) |
| 21:32.25 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 21:32.28 | Shirik | 3GB memory used |
| 21:32.46 | Shirik | 1GB of that is Firefox |
| 21:32.49 | Shirik | 1GB is netbeans |
| 21:34.45 | nevcairiel | ew netbeans |
| 21:34.51 | nevcairiel | i never liked that thing |
| 21:35.00 | ScytheBlade1 | He's the only one who does |
| 21:35.42 | Shirik | Netbeans is fricking awesome |
| 21:36.04 | ScytheBlade1 | (See above) |
| 21:40.31 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/01/08/video-maru-the-sliding-box-cat/ pets get bored on occasion. |
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| 21:41.20 | Shirik | "This object is a viruses or unwanted program" it is sad when your antivirus software sounds as foreign as the viruses you see |
| 21:41.33 | Shirik | s/program/programs/ |
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| 21:42.26 | cog|work | MURDERER! |
| 21:42.38 | cog|work | ^_^ |
| 21:42.42 | Fisker- | HAXERER |
| 21:43.25 | cog|work | FILESYSTEMIMPLEMENTORER |
| 21:43.55 | Shirik | wha? |
| 21:46.56 | nevcairiel | Hm, did MS hit the limit of wanted W7 testers already, or did they close it because it broke? =P |
| 21:47.23 | ScytheBlade1 | broke |
| 21:47.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Evidently four positive articles about it caused the collective internet to converge on the MS servers all at once |
| 21:48.20 | nevcairiel | I managed to get logged into the register page |
| 21:48.26 | nevcairiel | but there it ended |
| 21:48.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I have it via technet |
| 21:48.38 | NightHawkTheSane | well, that's more positive articles than have been written about all previous versions of windows combined, so. :p |
| 21:48.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I can spam click "Get a new key" and acquire more keys :P |
| 21:49.01 | nevcairiel | meh :P |
| 21:49.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Six! |
| 21:49.35 | nevcairiel | I should get someone to get me into technet |
| 21:49.50 | durcyn | what build is the public beta? still 7000? |
| 21:50.09 | |pez| | I'm looking for a little function I can use in a macro, that'll unequip a e.g my tabard |
| 21:50.18 | |pez| | Looked at wowwiki, but I fail. |
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| 21:50.52 | ScytheBlade1 | |pez|: you pick it up, and then you put it in your bags. Really. Those are the API calls you want to poke with |
| 21:50.57 | mikma | you cant level weaponskills with training dummies? |
| 21:51.17 | nevcairiel | no |
| 21:51.35 | |pez| | right, thanks ScytheBlade1. |
| 21:51.41 | mikma | i remember wobin saying you can with ebon hold dummies? |
| 21:51.50 | mikma | wobwork: did you say that? |
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| 21:53.11 | Lunessa | cog|work: ex recto - I laughed. |
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| 21:55.28 | cog|work | Lunessa: i only wish i had thought of it myself :P |
| 21:55.44 | Lunessa | I thought it was mildly clever. |
| 21:56.41 | KarlKFI | ScytheBlade1: you wanna organize a 10man sarth for after 25man? might happen if you do it, and pick the people. |
| 21:57.49 | Lunessa | And... forums are unresponsive. |
| 22:00.24 | Duman | yeah |
| 22:00.27 | Duman | they keep breaking the forums |
| 22:02.54 | |pez| | I wanna get the black drake that drops of sarth.. |
| 22:04.39 | cog|work | Lunessa: fwiw i first saw "ex recto" here: |
| 22:04.45 | cog|work | http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66201 |
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| 22:05.17 | Lunessa | Heh |
| 22:09.57 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Help sick kids! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19741 | Happy Birthday, Cairenn! |
| 22:10.19 | cog|work | ~spank Cairenn |
| 22:10.20 | purl | ACTION bends Cairenn over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on Cairenn's pasty white buttocks. |
| 22:10.43 | Cairenn | but it's not my birthday yet |
| 22:10.55 | Cairenn | mind you, I'm not objecting to the spanking ;) |
| 22:10.57 | End | ~failrik |
| 22:10.58 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 22:10.58 | cog|work | ~spank Cairenn nonetheless |
| 22:10.59 | purl | ACTION bends Cairenn nonetheless over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on Cairenn nonetheless's pasty white buttocks. |
| 22:11.35 | cog|work | assuming it's tomorrow, then it is your birthday somewhere in the world |
| 22:11.36 | cog|work | ;) |
| 22:11.37 | Thunder_Child | pasty white buttocks huh....well she is canadian |
| 22:11.40 | Cairenn | it isn't |
| 22:11.51 | cog|work | then... |
| 22:11.52 | cog|work | ~failrik |
| 22:11.53 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 22:11.58 | Shirik | yeah well |
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| 22:12.05 | Shirik | she already got a birthday present |
| 22:12.38 | Cairenn | the reason Shirik thought it was today is because I was telling him about my hubby spoiling me (massive upgrades to my computer) for my birthday ... the part Shirik missed is the fact that I got it now because he (hubby) won't be here on my birthday |
| 22:12.43 | Cairenn | he goes back to NY tomorrow |
| 22:14.13 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, what exactly is 'massive'? |
| 22:14.26 | Cairenn | 'm now running a Intel Core2 Duo CPU, E8400@3GHz with 4GB of Ram, and a NVidia GeFored9800GT with 512MB |
| 22:14.50 | Cairenn | he replaced basically everything except my hard drives, since I'm okay on HD space |
| 22:15.04 | Thunder_Child | if thats massive, i pity what you were using before |
| 22:15.06 | Cairenn | and compared to what I was running before, those are huge upgrades |
| 22:16.04 | Thunder_Child | i need an upgrade too....hmmm... |
| 22:17.12 | Shirik | I go to panera now |
| 22:17.30 | Syzgyn | Cairenn: What were you using before? |
| 22:18.00 | Cairenn | oh god, I don't know, was a put-together system from extra bits about 5 years ago |
| 22:18.04 | NightHawkTheSane | two rocks and a piece of duct tape? |
| 22:18.25 | Cairenn | but I just know that this thing is absolutely flying in responsiveness now |
| 22:18.47 | Syzgyn | Yeah, my PC is something like 6 years old since its last upgrade |
| 22:19.22 | NightHawkTheSane | http://watchpaintdry.isiras.com/ |
| 22:20.13 | Syzgyn | lol |
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| 22:27.25 | Thunder_Child | thats fail NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:27.29 | Thunder_Child | they dont have black |
| 22:30.01 | grier | Hello, I'm having a problem with the addon I'm making. I don't think it's registering for events |
| 22:32.57 | alestane | You can pastey your code here if you want someone to look it over: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ |
| 22:33.49 | grier | Oh right. One sec |
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| 22:34.47 | alestane | AH AH AH GETITOFFME!!!! |
| 22:35.06 | Tuller | ....that's what she said? |
| 22:35.33 | alestane | ...I *hope* not. |
| 22:35.38 | grier | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105937 |
| 22:35.42 | grier | that's the LUA part |
| 22:35.43 | krka | grier: Dude, it's not an acronym! ;-) |
| 22:35.54 | grier | whatever lol |
| 22:35.57 | Thunder_Child | heh, autoresponder back krka? |
| 22:36.08 | Tuller | the moon |
| 22:36.37 | Thunder_Child | not the |
| 22:37.16 | Tekkub | auto-grats addon, barf |
| 22:37.17 | grier | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105939 XML |
| 22:37.56 | grier | I'm trying to get it to work. When i'm done, it'll have more than that. Heck, it's more for an injoke with my guild at the moment |
| 22:39.43 | grier | I threw some message() calls in there to try to debug it. none of the messages show up, so I assume it's not even getting to the registering for events part |
| 22:39.59 | alestane | Change <script file="MyAddOn.lua"> to <Script file="MyAddOn.lua /> |
| 22:40.28 | grier | ... is that it? Is that why it wasn't working? |
| 22:41.22 | grier | one slash? |
| 22:41.30 | alestane | XML is case-sensitive, and you need the trailing slash or it thinks the frame is part of the Script. |
| 22:41.49 | grier | just logged in, message popped up. |
| 22:41.56 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: you missed a trailing quote though |
| 22:41.57 | grier | I'll be danged. Thanks! |
| 22:42.09 | alestane | So I did. |
| 22:44.04 | grier | oh my, that was hilarious |
| 22:44.25 | alestane | I recommend an XML validator. |
| 22:44.30 | grier | it took them about 30 secs till someone made a macro to say "ding" and spammed it |
| 22:45.03 | grier | Hmm? An XML validator? Does that check the XML code for mistakes? |
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| 22:45.44 | NightHawkTheSane | it does exactly what it says it does. validates an xml document. typically against a schema. |
| 22:46.03 | Shirik | rawr |
| 22:46.04 | alestane | Pretty much. Visual Web Developer Express is a fairly good editor that indicates errors and has the advantage of being free. |
| 22:46.08 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 22:46.23 | grier | so it would help to get one that validates XML for Blizzard's schema? |
| 22:46.33 | sylvanaar | do people not use xml editors? |
| 22:46.51 | grier | I'm just getting started, I'm using Notepad |
| 22:46.57 | Shirik | sylvanaar: I don't ^_^ |
| 22:47.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i just try to avoid writing xml |
| 22:47.15 | Shirik | ^^ |
| 22:47.26 | NightHawkTheSane | xml is great as long as you don't have to read or writ eit. |
| 22:47.39 | Shirik | parsing it can be a pita too |
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| 22:47.39 | sylvanaar | xmlspy |
| 22:47.40 | grier | I was looking at the Wowwiki stuff, there seems to be a way to make the addon run with just Lua? |
| 22:47.42 | Shirik | but sometimes it helps |
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| 22:47.46 | Shirik | yes, grier |
| 22:47.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: depends on the parser |
| 22:47.54 | Shirik | Well |
| 22:47.55 | grier | hmm, that would be easier |
| 22:47.58 | Shirik | SAX makes it pretty easy |
| 22:48.02 | NightHawkTheSane | i rather like .NETs xml tools |
| 22:48.10 | Shirik | but just the algorithm required to parse is annoying |
| 22:48.37 | Shirik | I haven't seen .NET's tools |
| 22:49.16 | sylvanaar | thats because they are transparent |
| 22:49.21 | grier | well, if I use that XML format, and just change the name of the addon, say, and throw in function calls to Lua functions, then I can handle all the work in the Lua and not need to do much at all with the XML right? |
| 22:49.49 | sylvanaar | [Serializable] |
| 22:49.51 | sylvanaar | done |
| 22:50.16 | alestane | For a frame that simple, you don't really need XML at all...XML's advantage for WoW is mostly in visual layouts. |
| 22:50.30 | Shirik | well, Java can do that too, sylvanaar |
| 22:50.32 | Shirik | but it's not always good :P |
| 22:50.32 | NightHawkTheSane | sylvanaar: which is why i like them. :) |
| 22:50.53 | grier | Huh. But how do I get the addon to run? I thought it automatically ran the XML, which calls the Lua functions? |
| 22:50.54 | Shirik | How do you parse XML coming from an external source? |
| 22:51.05 | Shirik | e.g., the armory |
| 22:51.14 | sylvanaar | ever since your little thing with osgi, you are sounding like you are turning to the dark side Shirik |
| 22:51.25 | Shirik | no, I hate Java's serializable interface |
| 22:51.30 | Shirik | however, osgi is awesome |
| 22:51.44 | Shirik | but the question remains |
| 22:51.46 | sylvanaar | Shirik regexes |
| 22:51.47 | Shirik | how do you parse the armory? |
| 22:51.50 | Shirik | eeew |
| 22:52.00 | WobWork | mikma: yes you can |
| 22:52.05 | WobWork | or at lleast I can |
| 22:52.07 | WobWork | =P |
| 22:52.23 | Shirik | could at least use SAX for .NET http://saxdotnet.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:52.26 | sylvanaar | you can use those queries too |
| 22:52.37 | sylvanaar | um |
| 22:53.10 | alestane | grier: local self = CreateFrame("Frame", "MyAddOn"); self:SetScript("OnEvent", function() --handle chat events here end); self:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_GUILD_ACHIEVEMENT"); self:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_GUILD") |
| 22:53.37 | Hirsute-Exile | Shirik: I do it with perl and XML::Simple |
| 22:53.38 | sylvanaar | xpath |
| 22:53.49 | grier | that would be in "MyAddon.lua" and it would run automatically on load? |
| 22:54.02 | cog|work | yup |
| 22:54.09 | grier | oh good. |
| 22:54.16 | *** part/#wowuidev kromar (n=Miranda@84-75-102-218.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 22:54.18 | alestane | As long as the MyAddOn.lua file is named in your .toc. |
| 22:54.24 | grier | it is |
| 22:54.44 | grier | OK, well thanks :D |
| 22:55.15 | grier | now to see about getting a timer to tell me if the DPS is ahead or behind on DPS race bosses lol |
| 22:56.22 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 most boss mods have a berserk timer. do a little math in your head? |
| 22:57.05 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: January 09, 2009 2:55 PM PST. |
| 22:57.05 | Shiibot | We are currently in the process of bringing the authentication server and all realms back online and they should be available for play soon. We will provide another update when everything is available.. . |
| 22:57.05 | Shiibot | January 09, 2009 1:15 PM PST. |
| 22:57.18 | grier | Eh, I'm too busy watching the spell rotation to do that. Besides... oh wow, neat bot |
| 22:57.27 | grier | Besides, that way I can get it in a percentage |
| 22:58.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought you were going to say you were easily distracted. |
| 22:58.39 | grier | haha |
| 23:01.12 | End | I'm easily distracted |
| 23:02.03 | mikma | remind me again. DK DW, MH slow, OH fast? |
| 23:02.28 | Shirik | DW? |
| 23:02.33 | Gnarfoz | dual wield you non-wower |
| 23:02.34 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 23:02.38 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:02.41 | Shirik | I'm a priest |
| 23:02.46 | Shirik | wtf would I know about DW for |
| 23:03.04 | Shirik | that being said |
| 23:03.06 | Shirik | DKs suck rawr |
| 23:03.12 | grier | Hmm, so that frame that I'm using would never have OnUpdate called? |
| 23:03.17 | Zyndrome | DW Frost is quite fun :< |
| 23:03.23 | grier | cause it's hidden? |
| 23:03.28 | mikma | zyndrome: yes it is :) |
| 23:03.37 | mikma | tem, wobwork, and me use frost |
| 23:03.41 | Zyndrome | I tried DW Frost last naxx 25 ... that was interesting :P |
| 23:03.58 | Shirik | make a priest like a real wow player |
| 23:04.04 | Shirik | none of this fancy "plate" to protect you |
| 23:04.11 | Shirik | we rely solely on our instinct! |
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| 23:04.56 | grier | and on Psychic Scream :p |
| 23:04.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: that, and 24 other people. ;) |
| 23:05.10 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: right now, slow as fuck mh, fast as your mom OH. |
| 23:05.24 | Shirik | screw the other 24 people |
| 23:05.25 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: okidoki. |
| 23:05.26 | Shirik | they rely on ME |
| 23:05.28 | Shirik | not the other way around |
| 23:05.30 | mikma | then this combo might be good |
| 23:05.43 | Zyndrome | did 0/32/39 with fast/fast weapons |
| 23:05.53 | Zyndrome | Killing Machine proc-spam |
| 23:06.05 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: post-3.0.8 it probably matters less with Killing machine going to PPM, but BCB would still favor a fast OH I think. |
| 23:06.10 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41383 + http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39226 |
| 23:06.20 | Zyndrome | KM gets 5 PPM , per weapon |
| 23:06.23 | grier | OnUpdare: Called on frame that is not visible, like the frame I'm using? |
| 23:06.29 | grier | OnUpdate* |
| 23:06.42 | mikma | 5PPM / weapon will most likely get nerfed (that's what tem told me) |
| 23:06.43 | Zyndrome | it's quite possible it will be no difference |
| 23:06.53 | mikma | because if it's 10PPM it's not a nerf at all |
| 23:07.38 | NightHawkTheSane | regardless of what the PPM value actually is, the fact that its a PPM enchant means weapon speed is not really an issue |
| 23:07.39 | BOSPUS | you cannot escape godesses wrath ! |
| 23:08.00 | Zyndrome | no HB cooldown, ho ho ho |
| 23:08.24 | Zyndrome | with death runes up, all runes off CD: HB HB HB ERW HB HB |
| 23:08.30 | Zyndrome | more massive burst :P |
| 23:08.57 | NightHawkTheSane | man, our 2H Frost DK is already putting out impressive dps. |
| 23:09.22 | NightHawkTheSane | which is funny, because what he really wants to do is tank.. we just have waaay to many |
| 23:09.40 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: i was putting out 2.1k dps with my sucky dps gear and tank-spec in 10naxx |
| 23:10.12 | mikma | gonna try DW build now :I |
| 23:10.47 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jZG0ex0xbRhoZf0hhxckxcq0co |
| 23:11.43 | Zyndrome | 0/32/39 is awesome |
| 23:13.03 | AbsolutRayne | Theyre nerfing DW DKs hard supposedly |
| 23:13.07 | AbsolutRayne | So id get your fill |
| 23:13.09 | AbsolutRayne | :/ |
| 23:13.57 | Zyndrome | post-patch, I'll try http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVZZfMhhtckgcoMcsut |
| 23:14.11 | Zyndrome | Desecration is horrible on fights where you have to be mobile |
| 23:14.53 | Zyndrome | or just put that one point from CE in NotD for pet avoidance, as losing it is poo |
| 23:16.22 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/wintergrasp.jpg |
| 23:16.55 | Zyndrome | o wat |
| 23:17.09 | Xinhuan | we were attacking as alliance |
| 23:17.28 | Xinhuan | we lost, then we won, then we got 1 token, it didn't count towards the win WG quest or achievement, and WG swapped sides to alliance anyway |
| 23:17.36 | AbsolutRayne | Xinhuan: At least your server doesnt crash when youre mid battle |
| 23:17.37 | Zyndrome | saw |
| 23:17.46 | AbsolutRayne | And you have to start all over again |
| 23:17.55 | Xinhuan | someone was complaining on /1 |
| 23:18.10 | Xinhuan | that the server wasn't actually lagging when we needed it |
| 23:18.14 | Xinhuan | to cap the relic |
| 23:19.19 | Duman | heh |
| 23:19.31 | Duman | poor auth cluster |
| 23:20.58 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: runes on weapons... |
| 23:21.07 | Shirik | auth server went down again? |
| 23:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | fuck if i know |
| 23:21.14 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: cinderglacier for OH and fallen crusader on mh? |
| 23:21.21 | Zyndrome | crusader/razorice |
| 23:21.38 | Shirik | I wonder what happened |
| 23:21.44 | Shirik | maybe someone shouted at the hard drives |
| 23:21.59 | Shirik | ( http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/unusual_disk_latency ) |
| 23:22.03 | mikma | zyndrome: crusader on mh? |
| 23:22.32 | Zyndrome | speed on weapons? |
| 23:22.45 | mikma | mh 2.5 oh 1.6 |
| 23:23.12 | Zyndrome | crusader MH, razorice OH |
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| 23:23.53 | mikma | what about the skills to use with dw? :O obli is out of the question because it consumes the diseases |
| 23:24.08 | Tuller | to get to the other side |
| 23:24.08 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. Is the Ethereal Soul-Trader considered an NPC? |
| 23:24.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ... annihilation? |
| 23:24.23 | Zyndrome | IT, PS, HB, BS, BS, RP dump (death coil) |
| 23:24.32 | Zyndrome | HB, BS, BS, RP dump |
| 23:24.33 | Zyndrome | repeat |
| 23:24.35 | Zyndrome | iirc |
| 23:24.55 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: To make it Poop, of course. |
| 23:24.59 | Hirsute | You need that microfilm. |
| 23:25.05 | Zyndrome | you dont use Obliterate |
| 23:25.07 | mikma | zyndrome: thanks, you've helped quite alot :) |
| 23:25.14 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: try reading EJ? i know they have a fairly large thread on DK DW |
| 23:25.25 | Hirsute | You know what makes me sad? Those wolves lose their inky-black coat when you train them. |
| 23:25.31 | Zyndrome | and 0/32/39 is best with fast weapons, as I was running with 1.6/1.5 weapons |
| 23:25.31 | Hirsute | They turn into more of a dark gray. |
| 23:25.38 | Zyndrome | to maximize KM-procs |
| 23:25.48 | Wobin | http://ursulav.livejournal.com/845584.html <- I love ursula. Typical birdwatching post... Except for the last paragraph =P |
| 23:25.53 | Thunder_Child | no cheating for you Hirsute |
| 23:26.02 | Thunder_Child | one has to imagine you would clean them up |
| 23:26.21 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: Yeah, that's what a good pet owner would do. |
| 23:26.35 | Hirsute | I'd love to be able to train a wolf that black though. They look really cool. |
| 23:27.04 | Zyndrome | mikma : 2 x http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44187 |
| 23:27.08 | Thunder_Child | they need a barbershop for pets |
| 23:27.10 | Zyndrome | is a good start :P |
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| 23:28.22 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: omg, can you imagine the huntersquee if they had Pet grooming parlours? =) |
| 23:28.48 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 23:28.59 | Spellbinder | this is NOT SIMS ppl |
| 23:29.02 | Zyndrome | pet grooming ... hunters not using their pets, cause of "I just washed her!" |
| 23:29.10 | mikma | zyndrome: i'll stick with mah epax :I |
| 23:29.19 | zenzelezz | Wobin: "why does your t-rex have a mohawk?" |
| 23:29.29 | Thunder_Child | Spellbinder, well this is a simulation of a life |
| 23:29.33 | Wobin | zenzelezz: "He wanted to be UNIQUE!" |
| 23:29.39 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 23:29.40 | Zyndrome | I'll nick another Split Greathammer from Patchy ;o |
| 23:31.37 | Hirsute | Apparently I *can* train a pretty-much straight black wolf... I just have to go back to nagrand for it. |
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| 23:32.28 | Pizik_afk | The ones in Ramparts are cool |
| 23:32.32 | Thunder_Child | na, pet salon is better |
| 23:33.01 | Thunder_Child | then they can make holiday craftable pet werable items |
| 23:36.11 | Wobin | zomg, pet with a santa hat |
| 23:36.26 | Wobin | The ravager would look cool |
| 23:36.46 | Wobin | Or a cat with Bunny Ears for easter =P |
| 23:36.49 | Spellbinder | D: |
| 23:37.00 | Spellbinder | live the creatures alone! |
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| 23:37.07 | Spellbinder | leave even |
| 23:37.21 | Thunder_Child | but we own said creatures |
| 23:37.35 | Thunder_Child | besides, then the same thing could be done for non-combat pet |
| 23:37.36 | Thunder_Child | s |
| 23:37.54 | Spellbinder | no any creature is free, they just follow you |
| 23:38.14 | Thunder_Child | then they choose to wear what we give them |
| 23:38.35 | Spellbinder | ask the pet first if he/she WANT to get cloths and silly hair |
| 23:39.04 | Thunder_Child | ok, but i take no answer as an 'ok |
| 23:39.06 | Thunder_Child | ' |
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| 23:45.19 | Wobin | I asked my cat |
| 23:45.24 | Wobin | she yawned and nodded |
| 23:45.34 | Wobin | MOHAWK FOR CAT |
| 23:46.01 | Shirik | this is my nightelf mohawk |
| 23:46.56 | Thunder_Child | anyone know where the Promotion Retrieval person is in IF? |
| 23:47.02 | Wobin | hm, I want to give my tauren troll dreadlocks |
| 23:47.37 | |pez| | Lots of real-life cats like getting their fur cut, btw. |
| 23:48.02 | Spellbinder | NO |
| 23:48.22 | |pez| | Not all, but a lot. |
| 23:52.36 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a difference, though, betwen grooming, and just making idiotic patterns in your cats fur |
| 23:53.03 | |pez| | Furry cats tend to like the whole lion-cut thing. |
| 23:53.09 | |pez| | atleast in summer. |
| 23:53.16 | |pez| | like. the ones with superlong fur. |
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