IRC log for #wowuidev on 20090108

`00:00.11`	`Shirik`	`and a noun`
`00:01.02`	`Shirik`	`it's also an exclamation according to http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_rawr_mean`
`00:01.30`	`Cide`	`and it apparently means "I love you"`
`00:01.34`	`Cide`	`ckknight: sorry, I swing the other way`
`00:01.43`	`ckknight`	`psh`
`00:01.51`	`ckknight`	`no one can resist the C-man`
`00:02.02`	`Shirik`	`who's that, Cide?`
`00:02.07`	`Shirik`	`I know I can't resist Cide`
`00:02.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Cide is, indeed, irresistible`
`00:02.44`	`Cide`	`kinda like Chaos Bolt.`
`00:02.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`except perhaps slightly more painful`
`00:04.14`	`Shirik`	`~dns 66.249.71.185`
`00:04.19`	`Shirik`	`fu googlebot`
`00:04.22`	`Shirik`	`I knew that looked wierd`
`00:04.43`	`Shirik`	`I'm like "who the hell cares about all of our past raids on our dkp site"`
`00:04.52`	`NeoTron`	`lol`
`00:06.34`	`Cide`	`robots.txt go`
`00:08.10`	`*** join/#wowuidev Randomname542 (n=chatzill@cpc3-clif1-0-0-cust965.nott.cable.ntl.com)`
`00:09.06`	`*** part/#wowuidev Randomname542 (n=chatzill@cpc3-clif1-0-0-cust965.nott.cable.ntl.com)`
`00:09.19`	`Shirik`	`You know`
`00:09.25`	`Shirik`	`having a name "Randomname" is not very random`
`00:09.33`	`Shirik`	`I have a feeling it always says that, in fact`
`00:09.36`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kathrin-27^away (n=kati-zh@126-39-239-77-pool.cable.fcom.ch)`
`00:09.43`	`Shirik`	`the chances of your name starting with "Randomname" are`
`00:10.00`	`Shirik`	`lua> (1/26)^10`
`00:10.01`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: 7.0838037389068e-15`
`00:10.05`	`Shirik`	`not very good`
`00:10.11`	`Cide`	`hey, if it was indeed a random string`
`00:10.16`	`Cide`	`it is PRETTY DAMN RANDOM`
`00:10.55`	`Cide`	`(did you feel me typing up a retort before I hit enter, since you started arguing against me before I had? :/)`
`00:11.08`	`Shirik`	`somewhat :P`
`00:11.23`	`Shirik`	`I was surprised you hadn't said anythin`
`00:11.36`	`Cide`	`I couldn't phrase myself properly fast enough`
`00:11.47`	`Cide`	`besides, I'm semi-busy coding python`
`00:11.51`	`Cide`	`in python`
`00:12.01`	`Shirik`	`mikma: ping`
`00:12.08`	`mikma`	`shirik: hai`
`00:12.15`	`Shirik`	`mind showing me that ink again?`
`00:12.23`	`Shirik`	`s/in/lin/`
`00:12.27`	`Shirik`	`...`
`00:12.33`	`Shirik`	`link`
`00:12.48`	`mikma`	`which one`
`00:12.53`	`Shirik`	`the one about horde only`
`00:13.01`	`Shirik`	`or alliance only`
`00:13.02`	`Shirik`	`whatever`
`00:13.05`	`mikma`	`moment`
`00:13.52`	`ckknight`	`lua> local function make_char() return string.char(math.random(0, 25) + ("a"):byte()) end local function make_name(num) local t = {}; for i = 1, num do t[i] = make_char(); end; return table.concat(t) end return make_name(10)`
`00:13.54`	`lua_bot`	`ckknight: khsmxvaicq`
`00:14.01`	`mikma`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12147-WinterTime.html`
`00:14.03`	`ckknight`	`not randomname, sorry, Cide`
`00:14.16`	`Shirik`	`function updateTimer()`
`00:14.16`	`Shirik`	`--Not used anymore`
`00:14.16`	`Shirik`	`end`
`00:14.21`	`foxlit`	`I'm pretty sure wow would reject that as "unpronounceable crap"`
`00:14.22`	`Shirik`	`SO WHY THE HELL IS IT IN YOUR CODE`
`00:14.55`	`Shirik`	`lua_bot had a module for that`
`00:14.56`	`Cide`	`ckknight: if it did show up "randomname", I would probably get scared`
`00:15.00`	`Shirik`	`tell you if something is pronouncable`
`00:15.04`	`Cide`	`s/probably/definitely/`
`00:15.38`	`ckknight`	`lua> local function make_char() return string.char(math.random(0, 25) + ("a"):byte()) end local function make_name(num) local t = {}; for i = 1, num do t[i] = make_char(); end; return table.concat(t) end print(make_name(10)); function make_name() return "randomname" end; print(make_name(10))`
`00:15.39`	`lua_bot`	`ckknight: nezpznkven, randomname`
`00:15.44`	`ckknight`	`scared, Cide?`
`00:15.49`	`WobWork`	`rofl`
`00:15.54`	`WobWork`	`return "randomname"?`
`00:15.55`	`Cide`	`not quite`
`00:15.59`	`ckknight`	`shhh, WobWork`
`00:16.05`	`ckknight`	`don't alert him to my mischievousness`
`00:16.07`	`Cide`	`nice obfuscation though.`
`00:16.13`	`foxlit`	`shoo, ckk.`
`00:16.20`	`foxlit`	`Go find the random seed that'd actually work here!`
`00:16.31`	`ckknight`	`hang on, I got an idea`
`00:16.33`	`*** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (n=Dune@208-104-142-238.rhhe1.2wcm.comporium.net)`
`00:16.56`	`Cide`	`I wonder if there is a random seed for that`
`00:17.04`	`Shirik`	`:(`
`00:17.17`	`Shirik`	`I tried modifying the string metatable to get it to always output "randomname"`
`00:17.21`	`Shirik`	`kinda like how this works`
`00:17.24`	`Shirik`	`--> return true`
`00:17.24`	`batbot`	`Shirik: > true`
`00:17.25`	`Shirik`	`bah`
`00:17.41`	`Cide`	`amazing how that works`
`00:18.03`	`Shirik`	`bot must have reset`
`00:18.05`	`Shirik`	`--> return true`
`00:18.05`	`batbot`	`Shirik: > :)`
`00:18.08`	`Shirik`	`--> return false`
`00:18.08`	`batbot`	`Shirik: > :(`
`00:18.12`	`Cide`	`lol`
`00:18.13`	`ckknight`	`lua> local x = "randomname"; local i = 0; function math.random() i = i + 1 return x:byte(i) - ("a"):byte() end; local function make_char() return string.char(math.random(0, 25) + ("a"):byte()) end local function make_name(num) local t = {}; for i = 1, num do t[i] = make_char(); end; return table.concat(t) end return make_name(10)`
`00:18.14`	`lua_bot`	`ckknight: randomname`
`00:18.18`	`ckknight`	`Cide`
`00:18.21`	`ckknight`	`!!!`
`00:18.24`	`ckknight`	`it said it!`
`00:18.26`	`Cide`	`yeah...`
`00:18.30`	`Cide`	`local x = "randomname"`
`00:18.32`	`ckknight`	`I only had to overwrite math.random`
`00:18.35`	`Cide`	`amazing ~~!`
`00:18.45`	`Cide`	`I can do better`
`00:19.05`	`mikma`	`~rot13 randomname`
`00:19.05`	`purl`	`enaqbzanzr`
`00:19.54`	`Shirik`	`--> local function make_char() return string.char(math.random(0, 25) + ("a"):byte()) end local function make_name(num) local t = {}; for i = 1, num do t[i] = make_char(); end; return not table.concat(t) end return make_name(10)`
`00:19.55`	`batbot`	`Shirik: > randomname`
`00:19.57`	`Shirik`	`HO SHIT`
`00:20.20`	`ckknight`	`lua> s=[[print('lua> s=['..'['..s..']'..'];'..s)]];print('lua> s=['..'['..s..']'..'];'..s)`
`00:20.21`	`foxlit`	`return not table.concat(t)`
`00:20.21`	`lua_bot`	`ckknight: lua> s=[[print('lua> s=['..'['..s..']'..'];'..s)]];print('lua> s=['..'['..s..']'..'];'..s)`
`00:20.27`	`Shirik`	`>.>`
`00:21.06`	`ckknight`	`quines are fun for the whole family, Shirik\|AFK`
`00:21.09`	`ckknight`	`Shirik*`
`00:21.26`	`MentalPower`	`anyone remember that website where you upload a photo and it tells you where on the web that photo is?`
`00:21.43`	`Shirik`	`Welp I've been here for a half hour now and have yet to see any of my team members show up`
`00:21.48`	`Shirik`	`so I'm about to give up`
`00:21.59`	`batrick`	`shirik is a filthy cheater`
`00:22.05`	`foxlit`	`letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=tineye`
`00:22.49`	`Shirik`	`--> function foo() print(pcall(foo)) end foo()`
`00:22.49`	`batbot`	`Shirik: randomname ead shirikrandomnamerandomnamerandomnamerandomnamerandomnamerandomnamerandomnamerandomnamerandomnamerandomnamerandomname`
`00:22.53`	`Shirik`	`rpf;`
`00:22.54`	`Shirik`	`rofl`
`00:22.57`	`Shirik`	`not what I intended`
`00:23.07`	`batrick`	`only proves my point`
`00:23.16`	`ckkbot`	`randomname, lulz`
`00:23.16`	`MentalPower`	`foxlit: thanks`
`00:23.23`	`foxlit`	`I'm amused: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14132378356&sid=1`
`00:23.40`	`Shirik`	`mikma: I'm interested that it only blocks horde on his server`
`00:24.04`	`mikma`	`shirik: ya, malicious code is malicious`
`00:24.17`	`ckknight`	`hmm?`
`00:24.29`	`Cide`	`lua> function make_name(...) local name="" for i=1, select('#', ...) do for y=2, (select(i, ...)) do math.random(0,25) end name=name..string.char(math.random(0,25)+("a"):byte()) end return name end math.randomseed(1) return make_name(31,27,30,9,22,3,4,23,74,8)`
`00:24.29`	`lua_bot`	`Cide: naxkedyrny`
`00:24.32`	`Cide`	`FUCKER`
`00:24.35`	`foxlit`	`Also, this just in: the word malicious has been redefined.`
`00:24.47`	`Shirik`	`that being said, mikma, that code is pretty bad`
`00:24.57`	`Cide`	`lua> function make_name(...) local name="" for i=1, select('#', ...) do for y=1, (select(i, ...)) do math.random(0,25) end name=name..string.char(math.random(0,25)+("a"):byte()) end return name end math.randomseed(1) return make_name(31,27,30,9,22,3,4,23,74,8)`
`00:24.57`	`lua_bot`	`Cide: vbymtjpblr`
`00:25.18`	`Shirik`	`function chatmsg(a)`
`00:25.18`	`Shirik`	`DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(a);`
`00:25.18`	`Shirik`	`end`
`00:25.26`	`Shirik`	`before I ask the point of that function`
`00:25.27`	`mikma`	`rofl`
`00:25.35`	`Shirik`	`I ask if he really thinks chatmsg is a unique name`
`00:25.42`	`Shirik`	`that being said`
`00:25.47`	`Shirik`	`WTF IS THE POINT OF THAT FUNCTION`
`00:26.00`	`batrick`	`rage up`
`00:26.01`	`Cide`	`>>> function make_name(...) local name="" for i=1, select('#', ...) do for y=1, (select(i, ...)) do math.random(0,25) end name=name..string.char(math.random(0,25)+("a"):byte()) end return name end math.randomseed(1) return make_name(31,27,30,9,22,3,4,23,74,8)`
`00:26.01`	`Cide`	`Cide: "randomname"`
`00:26.03`	`Cide`	`I win`
`00:26.04`	`mikma`	`its cool waste of resources?`
`00:26.39`	`Cide`	`beat that!`
`00:27.53`	`foxlit`	`Cide: tbgnkgddxw`
`00:28.02`	`Cide`	`no`
`00:28.11`	`Cide`	`Shirik: what's the possibility of that happening huh?!`
`00:28.21`	`Shirik`	`--> make_name(10)`
`00:28.21`	`batbot`	`Shirik: > randomname`
`00:28.25`	`Shirik`	`Now someone else try`
`00:28.27`	`ckknight`	`Cide: gj`
`00:28.35`	`Cide`	`why thank you`
`00:28.45`	`Shirik`	`Cid!`
`00:28.46`	`Cide`	`Shirik: totally rigged`
`00:28.47`	`Shirik`	`cide!`
`00:28.49`	`Shirik`	`go do it!`
`00:28.52`	`Shirik`	`not rigged!`
`00:28.53`	`Cide`	`I already did`
`00:28.57`	`Cide`	`>>> function make_name(...) local name="" for i=1, select('#', ...) do for y=1, (select(i, ...)) do math.random(0,25) end name=name..string.char(math.random(0,25)+("a"):byte()) end return name end math.randomseed(1) return make_name(31,27,30,9,22,3,4,23,74,8)`
`00:28.57`	`Cide`	`Cide: "randomname"`
`00:28.57`	`Shirik`	`wtf`
`00:29.01`	`Shirik`	`you did?`
`00:29.07`	`Cide`	`can't beat that`
`00:29.11`	`Shirik`	`How am I supposed to count if you do it behind the scenes?`
`00:29.19`	`foxlit`	`Yeah, except, logically, you only ever output one char`
`00:29.21`	`Shirik`	`--> make_name(10)`
`00:29.21`	`batbot`	`Shirik: > njknkdassp`
`00:29.23`	`Shirik`	`--> make_name(10)`
`00:29.23`	`batbot`	`Shirik: > orzrijkukn`
`00:29.25`	`Cide`	`foxlit: hm?`
`00:29.29`	`Shirik`	`--> make_name(10)`
`00:29.29`	`batbot`	`Shirik: > pmmgbublnq`
`00:29.37`	`Shirik`	`--> make_name(10)`
`00:29.38`	`batbot`	`Shirik: > gbarokuodn`
`00:29.42`	`Shirik`	`batbot hates me now :(`
`00:29.44`	`foxlit`	`either that or I'm misparsing do`
`00:29.46`	`Shirik`	`--> make_name(10)`
`00:29.47`	`batbot`	`Shirik: > randomname`
`00:29.48`	`Shirik`	`yay!`
`00:29.51`	`Cide`	`haha`
`00:30.00`	`mikma`	`--> make_name(5)`
`00:30.00`	`batbot`	`mikma: > gxjte`
`00:30.16`	`Cide`	`you could just take my code and then seed it with a random number between 1-5`
`00:30.20`	`mikma`	`--> make_name(5)`
`00:30.21`	`batbot`	`mikma: > kofwc`
`00:30.23`	`Cide`	`and get the same result every 5 tries on average`
`00:30.24`	`mikma`	`--> make_name(5)`
`00:30.24`	`batbot`	`mikma: > vdevu`
`00:30.25`	`batrick`	`!lua while true do end`
`00:30.28`	`batrick`	`!lua make_name(1)`
`00:30.30`	`batbot`	`batrick: @ maximum execution time/memory exceeded`
`00:30.30`	`batbot`	`batrick: > f`
`00:30.32`	`Shirik`	`I do get the same result every 5 tries`
`00:30.33`	`Shirik`	`DAMN IT`
`00:30.36`	`Shirik`	`now batrick broke it`
`00:30.42`	`batrick`	`smashT`
`00:30.51`	`Shirik`	`it was beautiful`
`00:30.57`	`Shirik`	`every 5th try it would say "randomname"`
`00:30.59`	`batrick`	`!lua make_name(10)`
`00:30.59`	`batbot`	`batrick: > false`
`00:31.04`	`Shirik`	`like that`
`00:31.06`	`Cide`	`haha, nice`
`00:31.08`	`Shirik`	`except false was "randomname"`
`00:31.12`	`mikma`	`shirik: so, are you going to smash the author with a trout?`
`00:31.15`	`ckknight`	`lol, Shirik`
`00:31.18`	`Cide`	`so anyway`
`00:31.22`	`Shirik`	`mikma: I have to talk to some people first`
`00:31.26`	`Cide`	`my code is obviously superior`
`00:31.30`	`Cide`	`and does nothing behind the scenes`
`00:31.31`	`Shirik`	`negative`
`00:32.00`	`Shirik`	`that being said`
`00:32.02`	`Shirik`	`there's nobody here`
`00:32.04`	`Shirik`	`I'm going home`
`00:32.11`	`ckknight`	`I'm here :-(`
`00:32.33`	`mikma`	`but we all have you ignored`
`00:32.41`	`ckknight`	`aw`
`00:32.44`	`Tekkub`	`or he just thinks you're nobody`
`00:32.45`	`ckknight`	`but I'm good people`
`00:38.21`	`*** join/#wowuidev Mike-N-Go (n=MikeNGoS@64.193.93.197)`
`00:39.07`	`Mike-N-Go`	`With 'local id, name, ... = GetChannelList()`
`00:39.07`	`Mike-N-Go`	`' I get error '<name>' expected near '...' what did I do wrong?`
`00:39.42`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you can't assign to ... i dont believe`
`00:40.13`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Oh, I have to use another way to save the other returns?`
`00:40.37`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`if you need to save them, assign them to actual variables`
`00:40.38`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I have return-ed!`
`00:40.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`~flee`
`00:40.46`	`purl`	`ACTION runs away screaming`
`00:41.20`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`you know, I never understood this auto-ghost system`
`00:41.24`	`Tekkub`	`you made ckk sad by saying he was no one Shirik\|AFK`
`00:41.33`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`what's the point of auto-ghost on /nick if it doesn't follow up by changing nicks`
`00:41.57`	`Shirik`	`I said there was nobody HERE`
`00:41.59`	`Shirik`	`he is not HERE`
`00:42.02`	`Shirik`	`therefore, I rest my case`
`00:42.10`	`ckknight`	`my feelings are still hurt, Shirik`
`00:42.12`	`Tekkub`	`but he is`
`00:42.24`	`Tekkub`	`you're HERE, I'm HERE`
`00:42.29`	`Tekkub`	`everyone HERE is HERE`
`00:42.45`	`Tekkub`	`... every say a word so much is starts sounding weird?`
`00:42.48`	`Tekkub`	`*ever`
`00:45.03`	`WobWork`	`Shirik: we have an autoghost system?`
`00:45.09`	`Shirik`	`I do`
`00:45.11`	`Shirik`	`it's in my client`
`00:45.22`	`WobWork`	`oh, I just have it do it when I login`
`00:45.35`	`WobWork`	`but there's always a lag between the nick being ghosted`
`00:45.44`	`WobWork`	`so the subsequent nick change never gets through successfully`
`00:46.14`	`WobWork`	`for example, the bastard who is currently on my Wobin nick`
`00:46.24`	`WobWork`	`I could ghost him`
`00:46.26`	`WobWork`	`and I do`
`00:46.27`	`WobWork`	`often`
`00:46.37`	`WobWork`	`but I can't do it automatically easily`
`00:47.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i've been meaning to write an auto-ghost/nick-change script plugin for x-chat`
`00:48.07`	`WobWork`	`woo please do`
`00:48.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`if i get unlazy enough`
`00:49.36`	`WobWork`	`...`
`00:49.36`	`WobWork`	`http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/07/america/NA-US-Mideast-Joe-The-Plumber.php`
`00:49.43`	`WobWork`	`Hasn't he -had- his five minutes?`
`00:50.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`americans are too stupid to realize it`
`00:50.21`	`WobWork`	`for gods sake America, stop encouraging this sort of thing ><`
`00:50.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeah.. i'm sorry...`
`00:52.40`	`*** join/#wowuidev smoke__ (n=smoke@adsl-76-204-39-132.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net)`
`00:53.09`	`ckknight`	`um`
`00:53.14`	`ckknight`	`on a related note: http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1231375382957.jpg`
`00:54.34`	`WobWork`	`normally I'd assume from the domain it's nsfw`
`00:54.39`	`WobWork`	`but I've been surprised before...`
`00:55.16`	`ckknight`	`it's SFW`
`00:55.34`	`Syzgyn`	`hah wow`
`00:56.15`	`ckknight`	`am I bad?`
`00:56.16`	`ckknight`	`:P`
`00:56.31`	`Syzgyn`	`yes`
`00:56.51`	`ckknight`	`I could do worse`
`00:57.21`	`ckknight`	`far worse: http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1231375449755.jpg`
`00:57.38`	`ckknight`	`or at least, horribly offensive to any Muslims`
`01:00.06`	`Syzgyn`	`This is why I stay away from 4chan`
`01:00.18`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`01:00.20`	`Duman`	`lol @ maaven`
`01:00.24`	`Duman`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133099509&sid=1`
`01:01.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`last weeks sg:a was... interesting..`
`01:04.40`	`*** join/#wowuidev AbsolutRayne_ (n=chatzill@XPLR-MCI-74-127-239-30.barrettxplore.com)`
`01:11.31`	`mikma`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=12147#comments`
`01:11.44`	`mikma`	`i took advantage of the authors attitude`
`01:12.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`NightHawkTheSane: last weeks? you mean you havent seen the season finally yet?`
`01:13.47`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Arrowmaster: i haven't seen a non-pre-air torrent of it, and i don't want to watch the pre-air`
`01:14.09`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`and by "season finally" do you mean "series finale"? ;)`
`01:18.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`mikma: dont forget to advertise your own addon here too http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/wintertime.aspx`
`01:19.10`	`mikma`	`i dont have a curse account, or do i...`
`01:19.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`you should`
`01:19.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`im guessing`
`01:19.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`you had a wowace one didnt you?`
`01:21.18`	`mikma`	`back in ages ago`
`01:25.06`	`WobWork`	`http://lifewithoutbuildings.net/2009/01/adaptive-reuse-of-crashed-starships.html`
`01:29.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`heh, xenoarchitects`
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`01:35.24`	`Shirik`	`Someone name a site that pulls armory data to rate a character`
`01:35.28`	`Shirik`	`it's not be.imba.hu that I'm looking for`
`01:35.33`	`Shirik`	`I can't remember what site this was though :(`
`01:36.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik: no idea, but I have something which will pick apart your guild's enchants!`
`01:36.35`	`Shirik`	`no I'm looking for something very specific :/`
`01:37.45`	`Shirik`	`m found it`
`01:37.46`	`Shirik`	`http://drenden-us.warcrafter.net/Kimina`
`01:38.11`	`Shirik`	`it's bullshit that it claims I only have 316 mp5`
`01:38.22`	`Shirik`	`what about while not casting`
`01:38.23`	`Shirik`	`wtf`
`01:40.12`	`batrick`	`ya wtcv`
`01:40.15`	`batrick`	`err wtf`
`01:40.37`	`mikma`	`cairenn\|afk: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/funny-pictures-cat-votes-on-funny-cat-pictures.jpg`
`01:40.46`	`Shirik`	`It's not even accurate`
`01:40.51`	`Shirik`	`I have 562 wile casting!`
`01:41.23`	`batrick`	`it's always nice coming back to wow only to see it segfaulted`
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`01:56.57`	`batrick`	`did they fix [flyable] on the PTR to not include dalaran and wintersgrasp?`
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`02:24.40`	`Adys`	`http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/68953253`
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`02:28.00`	`WobWork`	`http://www.theonion.com/content/news/terror_experts_warn_next_9_11`
`02:29.08`	`ZorbaTHut`	`http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/65185468`
`02:42.49`	`Corrodias`	`oh dear`
`02:43.21`	`Corrodias`	`but if i have a dental appointment set for september 11, 2009, how will i know what date it really is?`
`02:43.25`	`Corrodias`	`do i have to watch the news? :o`
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`02:46.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`only if it's Foxâ¢ News`
`02:47.09`	`Adys`	`call them Firefox news, they both fail just as much`
`02:47.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Be afraid`
`02:47.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://projects.flowingdata.com/walmart/`
`02:47.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Be very afraid`
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`02:51.51`	`WobWork`	`wow`
`02:51.55`	`WobWork`	`it's like watching a zombie movie`
`02:52.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`except more evil`
`02:53.48`	`WobWork`	`hm, doesn't include other countries`
`02:53.53`	`WobWork`	`Cause I know Beijing has one`
`02:56.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's like a virus`
`02:56.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`though i would like to see starbucks like that`
`02:57.38`	`WobWork`	`You could envisualise the last year as like a nuclear bomb hitting the zombie sites =P`
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`03:01.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEZcBeE33wc win`
`03:01.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokQBjk1s_8`
`03:05.50`	`Shirik`	`wtf is a tourette?`
`03:06.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`L2dictionary Shirik?`
`03:06.54`	`Shirik`	`this is my dictionary`
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`03:11.07`	`WobWork`	`Shirik: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=tourette`
`03:11.17`	`Shirik`	`ty`
`03:11.21`	`WobWork`	`yw`
`03:11.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`mikma: that wintertime mod got deleted from curse`
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`03:11.43`	`mikma`	`oh lol`
`03:13.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`ah undeleted`
`03:14.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`aiiane edited the description to say it wouldnt work for horde on that realm and the author changed the description back but then uploaded a new file right after it got deleted`
`03:15.22`	`WobWork`	`rofl`
`03:15.22`	`WobWork`	`rofl`
`03:15.25`	`WobWork`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=12147#comments`
`03:15.33`	`WobWork`	`guess what the word I used that got nixed out =)`
`03:16.44`	`Aiiane`	`dunno, all i saw on that comments page was "blah blah blah hi im tekkub and im being a dick for fun :D blah blah blah"`
`03:16.54`	`Aiiane`	`not that I didn't laugh Tekkub <3`
`03:16.58`	`WobWork`	`I tend to ignore Tekkub's posts =P`
`03:17.06`	`WobWork`	`he rarely adds anything to the conversation =)`
`03:17.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`if being a dick made money, Tekkub would be rich.. but so would most of us, i think`
`03:17.31`	`WobWork`	`but fail at wowi for censoring the word "snigger" =P`
`03:17.40`	`Tekkub`	`I just do it for fun mostly`
`03:17.42`	`Tekkub`	`:P`
`03:17.45`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`WobWork: figure it out :p`
`03:17.49`	`WobWork`	`oh I know =P`
`03:17.58`	`Aiiane`	`now be a good boy and go bother cairenn`
`03:18.00`	`WobWork`	`but it makes my comment look a whole lot worse than it actually was =P`
`03:18.15`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`WobWork: heh`
`03:18.38`	`alestane`	`WobWork: I thought for a second it was "scream".`
`03:18.45`	`alestane`	`But too many letters.`
`03:18.49`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`as did I`
`03:18.54`	`Aiiane`	`forum wordfilters need whitelists`
`03:18.56`	`WobWork`	`cream would be a terrrble thing to censor`
`03:18.58`	`Aiiane`	`so you can whitelist things like that`
`03:19.17`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`Aiiane: aye, but /shrug`
`03:19.26`	`Aiiane`	`that was one thing that amused me.... when it lauched, WAR's wordfilter was a little too proactive`
`03:19.29`	`Tekkub`	`I still wish blizzy would implement a system whereby we could blacklist users from running my addons`
`03:19.36`	`WobWork`	`but yeah, no horde on dethecus would spend more time than 3 seconds laughing at his addon before deleting it`
`03:19.37`	`Aiiane`	`it actually censored the names of some Assassin mobs in the nameplates!`
`03:19.42`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`instead what we have are blacklists, which are unfortunately rather stupid`
`03:19.48`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`Aiiane: ROFL`
`03:20.03`	`Aiiane`	`they fixed that pretty quick, but it was still funny`
`03:20.18`	`WobWork`	`ButtocksButtocksin`
`03:20.22`	`Tekkub`	`well, I think the hordies that looked at it might specifically target him`
`03:20.23`	`Aiiane`	`"Dark Elf ******in"`
`03:21.25`	`WobWork`	`silly americans and calling it an 'ass'`
`03:21.32`	`WobWork`	`when everyone knows it's a kind of donkey =)`
`03:21.43`	`Aiiane`	`american loves its donkeys, what can i say`
`03:21.51`	`WobWork`	`They love big donkeys`
`03:21.54`	`WobWork`	`and they cannot lie`
`03:22.02`	`Tekkub`	`big floppy tauren dick!`
`03:22.06`	`Aiiane`	`now there's a funny thought`
`03:22.11`	`WobWork`	`where's the fun when it's floppy?`
`03:22.15`	`Aiiane`	`go through all rap music, and replace any instance of ass with donkey`
`03:22.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/area_teen_accidentally?utm_source=onion_rss_daily`
`03:22.48`	`Tekkub`	`MC Hawking >>> all other rap music`
`03:23.20`	`Tekkub`	`o/~ who'd down with entropy? o/~`
`03:24.40`	`Tekkub`	`*who's`
`03:28.27`	`Shirik`	`Monzy >>> all`
`03:29.22`	`Shirik`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4`
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`03:39.52`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`amusing: http://www.wegame.com/watch/Half_Life_2_The_Magic_Show/`
`03:41.34`	`Corrodias`	`i like how it apparently is refusing to load in my browser`
`03:42.05`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`your browser is stupid, and by extension, so are you. ;)`
`03:42.15`	`Corrodias`	`noscript is allowing wegame, i click on the flashblocker box to enable the thing, it expands to show a black box, and then nothing.`
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`03:42.59`	`Tekkub`	`I use Chrome, so I must be fast but not extensible`
`03:43.20`	`Corrodias`	`there are drugs to help with that, though`
`03:43.27`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/lie_of_omission.JPG`
`03:43.41`	`Shirik`	`wtf NightHawkTheSane`
`03:43.50`	`WobWork`	`The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.`
`03:43.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`huh?`
`03:44.07`	`Thrae`	`Tekkub: That's not what your boyfriend told me about some of your...well, nevermind.`
`03:44.15`	`Shirik`	`you scare me, NightHawkTheSane`
`03:44.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Shirik: why?`
`03:44.25`	`Shirik`	`that movie`
`03:44.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hey, i didn't -make- it..`
`03:44.38`	`Shirik`	`you liked it`
`03:44.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yes?`
`03:44.51`	`WobWork`	`and by extension...`
`03:44.53`	`Shirik`	`therefore you scare me`
`03:45.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`what's so scary about that movie?`
`03:54.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`heh, http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001BP5JX6/ find the "wtf?" :P`
`03:55.15`	`WobWork`	`hehehe`
`03:55.23`	`WobWork`	`"Do youuuu come with the settopbox?"`
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`04:10.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`oh man.. shirik if you thought that was scary, you'll love this..`
`04:10.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`http://www.shackvideo.com/?id=13516 'Never Gonna Give you Up' music video reenacted in little big planet`
`04:12.37`	`Endeavour`	`What's wrong with http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105790 ? it is supposed to scroll if the cursor reaches the bottom, but it keeps on growing if you insert new lines.`
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`04:17.14`	`WobWork`	`I fear for the next generation`
`04:17.14`	`WobWork`	`http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/4125664/Traditional-fairytales-not-PC-enough-for-parents.html`
`04:18.07`	`kd3`	`meh, blame the nanny state`
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`04:22.00`	`Kirov`	`oy`
`04:22.34`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`vey`
`04:22.41`	`Kirov`	`Yes, that story you loved to watch as a kid, the one disney made of a movie of that you watched 50 times a week ... it'll emotionally scar your child.`
`04:22.57`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`o.O`
`04:25.21`	`Shirik`	`You know`
`04:25.25`	`Shirik`	`I was just thinking`
`04:25.32`	`Shirik`	`I think I was scarred for life by my 6th grade teacher`
`04:26.26`	`Shirik`	`In 6th grade, I had to play a part in A Midsummer Night's Dream where I played a male whom would chase after the one he wanted to be with but would never manage to get her attention, and acted all pathetic, etc.`
`04:26.46`	`Shirik`	`Is it coincidence that I now go to a school with an 8:1 male:female ratio?`
`04:26.48`	`Shirik`	`I THINK NOT!`
`04:27.54`	`WobWork`	`Do you have a boyfriend now, Shirik?`
`04:27.56`	`Shirik`	`you are not afk, liar!`
`04:27.59`	`Shirik`	`.... no`
`04:28.06`	`WobWork`	`Then yes. A coincidence =P`
`04:28.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`~WobWork++`
`04:29.07`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`04:29.09`	`WobWork`	`The headmaster in our school used to direct the school musicals`
`04:29.10`	`Shirik`	`I missed this paragraph before`
`04:29.11`	`Shirik`	`Though the DHS has identified more than 7,000 sensitive dates spanning the next 20 years, it did manage to rule out 4/15/04 and 10/38 as future 9/11s. The government report also confirmed that the next 9/11 would more than likely not involve an assault on the World Trade Center's North and South towers as it has in previous attacks.`
`04:29.43`	`WobWork`	`Of course, high school kids being high school kid`
`04:29.44`	`WobWork`	`s`
`04:29.59`	`WobWork`	`he used to come in after heavy sampling of his "special cupboard"`
`04:30.20`	`WobWork`	`You could smell the alcohol from 3 meters away`
`04:30.52`	`WobWork`	`There was one point where he was demonstrating to the male lead, where he should stand in relation to the female lead, ie about 4 inches away`
`04:31.03`	`WobWork`	`You could literally see the poor girl's eyes watering =P`
`04:31.34`	`Shirik`	`Also, my stats teacher is a nutcase`
`04:31.42`	`WobWork`	`Isn't that in the job description?`
`04:31.49`	`Shirik`	`he was reviewing basic probability today, and trying to explain the empty set`
`04:31.52`	`Shirik`	`His example:`
`04:32.04`	`Shirik`	`P(A): Probability that Barack Obama smokes more than 4 cigarettes a day`
`04:32.17`	`Shirik`	`P(B): Probability that Barack Obama smokes less than 2 cigarettes a day`
`04:32.24`	`Shirik`	`P(AnB) = empty set`
`04:32.50`	`Shirik`	`most stats teachers use something like rolling a die or drawing a card...`
`04:33.19`	`WobWork`	`well that example is just as irrelevant =P`
`04:33.32`	`WobWork`	`You could replace Barack Obama with Pack of Cards`
`04:33.37`	`WobWork`	`and have no change in the example =P`
`04:33.48`	`Shirik`	`...`
`04:34.08`	`cog\|away`	`/boggle http://www.amazon.com/review/R1ZGGJ4VHE7795/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm`
`04:34.50`	`cog\|away`	`he gave us 3 stars because wow's addon system has restrictions...`
`04:34.50`	`Pytlask`	`WobWork: I don't think so:`
`04:34.51`	`Pytlask`	`P(A): Probability that Pack of Cards smokes more than 4 cigarettes a day`
`04:35.11`	`Shirik`	`Technically P(AnB) is not empty set, it's 0`
`04:35.24`	`Shirik`	`AnB is the empty set`
`04:35.35`	`WobWork`	`probability of AnB`
`04:35.44`	`WobWork`	`being 0 yeah`
`04:35.52`	`cog\|away`	`Shirik: here's the real question...`
`04:35.54`	`WobWork`	`since it can't exist`
`04:36.06`	`cog\|away`	`what's the probability that Barack Obama smokes marijuana`
`04:36.11`	`cog\|away`	`?`
`04:36.27`	`WobWork`	`80`
`04:36.29`	`WobWork`	`but he didn't inhale`
`04:36.43`	`kd3`	`heh. my music collection is so weird`
`04:37.07`	`kd3`	`of the ~1100 tracks I've got on my ipod, ~800 of them have the "in a compilation" flag set so cover flow isn't horrendously broken`
`04:37.08`	`Pytlask`	`kd3: Mine all sounds like japanese chipmunks on helium`
`04:37.15`	`WobWork`	`cogwheel: I marked that review as not helpful =P`
`04:37.22`	`cogwheel`	`=)`
`04:38.06`	`WobWork`	`cogwheel: I'm trying to think of an analogy of what he's trying to say`
`04:38.22`	`kd3`	`it's simple. "this book won't let me cheat in wow!"`
`04:38.25`	`Codayus`	`cogwheel: Smokes as in now, or smokes as in has done in the past? Because if the latter, he's said he's used both cocaine and marijuana.`
`04:38.27`	`WobWork`	`maybe something with "Box of Lego"`
`04:38.38`	`cogwheel`	`I'm tempted to reply "Awww... I was hoping our first <4 star review would actually have some logic behind it. Oh well."`
`04:38.53`	`Shirik`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpBzQI_7ez8`
`04:38.57`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`I just downrated it :p`
`04:38.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`... do mages have a 100% crit damage talent in the arcane tree that i'm not seeing?`
`04:39.33`	`cogwheel`	`WobWork: like downrating a physics book because it doesn't teach you how to teleport?`
`04:39.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`nevermind.. found it`
`04:39.46`	`WobWork`	`yeah =)`
`04:40.14`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`downrated the comment, I mean :p`
`04:40.22`	`cogwheel`	`hehe`
`04:42.20`	`Thrae`	`Goddamit! My master plan is ruined. Most Nvidia card manufacturers have pulled the 8800GT off their shelves, so I can't even upgrade to 2x OC'd 8800GT in SLI like I planned for my next upgrade when they got cheap enough.`
`04:42.50`	`cogwheel`	`snap`
`04:42.59`	`Thrae`	`I know exactly why they did it, because the Geforce 9 series is basically the Geforce 8 series re-branded. But goddammit, they went farther then I thought they would.`
`04:43.24`	`Thrae`	`It could be Nvidia themselves just stopped making the chips to ensure their overpriced 9 series took over.`
`04:43.34`	`Thrae`	`And the 8 series was cheap and efficient.`
`04:43.35`	`sylvanaar`	`anyone know what causes the lag in malygos phase2`
`04:43.35`	`kd3`	`heh, was wondering when they were gonna add the "GM chat frame" to the official patch notes`
`04:43.48`	`Kirov`	`http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121224R`
`04:43.52`	`Thrae`	`kd3: "GM Chat Frame"?`
`04:44.21`	`Thrae`	`Kirov: That's an Open Box, not Retail`
`04:44.23`	`kd3`	`there's a new frame that whispers from gms go to, irrespective of any filtering settings`
`04:44.29`	`sylvanaar`	`or have seen lag during phase 2`
`04:44.31`	`Kirov`	`But it's cheap`
`04:45.01`	`Thrae`	`Kirov: True, but I've had personal experience that I hate that particular ASUS card (I used to work in video testing)`
`04:45.34`	`kd3`	`thrae; http://wowcompares.com/0089386/AddOns/Blizzard_GMChatUI/Blizzard_GMChatUI.lua`
`04:45.54`	`Thrae`	`kd3: I haven't played the game since 2.2, don't mind me.`
`04:46.29`	`Thrae`	`Well, if you call logging in to test addons "playing".`
`04:47.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`im sure some people does. and i bet blizzard does. :p`
`04:47.52`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`s/does/do/`
`04:49.26`	`kd3`	`whee! free transfers off my overcrowded realm that I haven't logged in to since xmas`
`04:50.19`	`kd3`	`ho... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14274447372&sid=1`
`04:57.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`kd3: been waiting for that for quite some time (hotfix)`
`04:57.36`	`Tekkub`	`the hell? my server's got a half-hour queue on weekdays and upwards of an hour on weekends and it's not listed for xfer`
`04:57.49`	`kd3`	`then you're getting off light`
`04:59.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Everyone whining about queues make me laugh`
`05:00.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`This is the elitist in me talking, but I have clear memories of 2h queues of 3,000 people on Doomhammer`
`05:00.17`	`Tekkub`	`I'm not whining about queues, I'm whining about not getting free xfers`
`05:00.28`	`Tekkub`	`I want to move my DK since no 3.0.8 yet ^^`
`05:00.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"WHAAAA I HAVE A 500 PERSON QUEUE I'M PAYING FOR THIS GAME AND I CAN'T PLAY IT"`
`05:00.31`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`my server has a queue so long you hve to walk uphil, in the snow, both ways, to get to the end of it`
`05:00.34`	`Pizik_afk`	`only had a queue on my realm twice in about 2 years :oS`
`05:00.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`NightHawkTheSane: exactly`
`05:01.03`	`kd3`	`meh. I'm on Medivh. I was there for the AQ opening. nothing'll ever get that close unless we're counting the ptr`
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`05:04.34`	`Tekkub`	`hey I've got a wonderfully stupid general code question`
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`05:05.01`	`Tekkub`	`say you have two arrays, with the same elements in the same order, except in the second array ONE element is moved`
`05:05.15`	`Tekkub`	`anyone know of some simple code to find which element was moved`
`05:06.05`	`Duman`	`hmm`
`05:07.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`assuming they're numerically indexed... you could iterate throuh comparing the elements at the same index until there's a difference. one of those two ought to be the 'moved' element. you could then iterate -backwards- through the arrays, and whichever 'moved' element you find first in the opposite array is the one that was actually 'moved'?`
`05:07.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`That could be way wrong, i just sorta made that up in my head.`
`05:07.34`	`Duman`	`great... i guess wowmatrix grabbed some hozed version of librock`
`05:08.00`	`Tekkub`	`NightHawkTheSane, that sounds great`
`05:08.05`	`kd3`	`more fuel for the "don't use wowmatrix!" fire?`
`05:08.16`	`Duman`	`heh`
`05:08.17`	`Tekkub`	`I had the iter forward part, was just trying to figure out how to tell which had moved`
`05:08.23`	`Tekkub`	`and wasn't seeing a simple way`
`05:08.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`kd3: heh, i was just about to say "that's what you get for using wowmatrix.." :p`
`05:10.16`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`(2009-01-07 13:07:20) Seerah: rofl - someone reported bugs for ag_UnitFrames on wowace yesterday. It turns out that they were using a version from August, and that wowmatrix gave it to them :P <== that too`
`05:10.32`	`Duman`	`heh, niec`
`05:10.33`	`Duman`	`nice`
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`05:12.07`	`Seerah`	`:)`
`05:12.50`	`Seerah`	`Tekkub: is there anyway that cork could put things into preexisting stacks when shucking clams? or am I doomed to keep opening my bags to compress them?`
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`05:12.51`	`Duman`	`oh, I guess it was raidsavefu`
`05:13.08`	`Tekkub`	`get blizzy to fix the bug?`
`05:13.12`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`Seerah: which clams? there's a bug on blizz's end`
`05:13.24`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`is nothing to do with the bag addons`
`05:13.26`	`Duman`	`yeah the stacking is a bug`
`05:13.28`	`Seerah`	`jaggal`
`05:13.31`	`Tekkub`	`I can't control where loot goes, and I'm not about to add code to restack things`
`05:13.34`	`Seerah`	`ahhh - hadn't seen that :)`
`05:13.38`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`yeah, those won't stack for anyone right now`
`05:13.42`	`Duman`	`I mean, a bug in the game :)`
`05:13.43`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`it's on Blizz's end`
`05:13.53`	`Seerah`	`hadn't had clams since the cork rewrite`
`05:13.58`	`Tekkub`	`Cairenn\|afk, drop then pants and get us a bugfix!`
`05:13.59`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`:)`
`05:14.05`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`Tekkub: heh`
`05:14.25`	`Seerah`	`thanks, though :)`
`05:14.40`	`reiser_`	`Cairenn\|afk, from Twilights Hammer EU ?`
`05:14.48`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`hmm?`
`05:15.09`	`reiser_`	`just asking, are you playing on TH`
`05:15.14`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`nope`
`05:15.22`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`I'm on US servers`
`05:15.25`	`kd3`	`wait, clams? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9957005708&pageNo=2&sid=1#32`
`05:15.36`	`reiser_`	`ah ok sorry then, theres priest with same name as you in our guild`
`05:15.53`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`ah, nope, not me`
`05:16.10`	`Duman`	`lol kd3`
`05:16.13`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`kd3: rofl, priceless`
`05:17.59`	`Seerah`	`rofl! :D`
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`05:19.53`	`Seerah`	`I didn't see that the actual clams will stack now - that will be nice :)`
`05:20.03`	`Tekkub`	`NightHawkTheSane, it works beautifully, domo`
`05:27.01`	`Tekkub`	`NightHawkTheSane, http://gist.github.com/44593 ^^`
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`05:27.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`cool :)`
`05:30.25`	`Tekkub`	`all this because Kevin wants stupid ajaxey drag and drop sorting, but his LIEK XBOX HUGE list bogs down the server updating every item in the list`
`05:30.38`	`Tekkub`	`so I have to make it find WHICH thing moved, and only update that`
`05:30.53`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ew.`
`05:31.03`	`Tekkub`	`yea it's icky`
`05:31.15`	`Tekkub`	`this draggy sorting has been the worst thing ever`
`05:31.40`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`its probably pretty slick from the user side, though`
`05:31.58`	`Tekkub`	`it's neat, but I'm still not convinced it's needed`
`05:32.09`	`Tekkub`	`it'd be better if it didn't talk to the server on every drag`
`05:32.18`	`Tekkub`	`instead once when you're all don`
`05:32.20`	`Tekkub`	`*done`
`05:32.56`	`Tekkub`	`or if script.crapulo.us would send the id of the moved element also, instead of just the new list`
`05:34.43`	`Shirik`	`script.crapulo.us?`
`05:35.06`	`Tekkub`	`http://script.aculo.us/`
`05:35.12`	`Tekkub`	`the thing included with rails`
`05:35.53`	`Shirik`	`I see a really cool bug on that page`
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`05:37.11`	`Tekkub`	`didn't take you long`
`05:37.17`	`Shirik`	`nop`
`05:37.40`	`Tekkub`	`it works, but I have no love for it`
`05:37.49`	`Shirik`	`As I drag the little bubbles`
`05:38.03`	`Shirik`	`the bubbles appear to go "behind" the green background temporarily if I'm dragging it left or white`
`05:38.10`	`Shirik`	`like the edges get cut off`
`05:38.20`	`Shirik`	`as if I were sliding it into the back`
`05:38.23`	`Shirik`	`through a hole`
`05:38.38`	`Pytlask`	`I love the "Hire your very own javascript ninja"`
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`05:42.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`jesus.. just /random and be done with it :p`
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`06:18.36`	`Hirsute`	`Hrmmm. regex (perl style) question: I want to match a " at either the beginning or end of a line. this seems to match any ": /[(^")("$)]/. What would I use instead?`
`06:20.55`	`Hirsute`	`Ah, nevermind, I remembered.`
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`07:12.02`	`Olorin`	`height of a font rather , not neccessarily a fontstring`
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`07:42.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`is 340 armor > 13 defense for a tank?`
`07:42.54`	`AnduinLothar`	`assume crit capped`
`07:42.54`	`zenzio`	`defense or defense rating?`
`07:42.59`	`AnduinLothar`	`rating`
`07:43.10`	`zenzio`	`well, 13 rating at 80 isn't much`
`07:43.21`	`AnduinLothar`	`true`
`07:43.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`neither is 340 armor depending on how high your armor already is`
`07:43.35`	`AnduinLothar`	`exactly`
`07:43.41`	`AnduinLothar`	`about 2.5 def`
`07:43.56`	`zenzio`	`but if you're a warrior, you likely have the Armored to the Teeth talent, where armor gives you AP`
`07:44.03`	`zenzio`	`and AP boosts some of your abilities`
`07:44.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`hes a pally i think`
`07:44.17`	`AnduinLothar`	`and for a bear the armor is definitely better`
`07:44.27`	`AnduinLothar`	`but what about pally where we have neither`
`07:44.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`no def multiplier, but we do have an armor multiplier`
`07:45.12`	`AnduinLothar`	`dont remember how much, 10% maybe?`
`07:45.48`	`AnduinLothar`	`ya 10%`
`07:45.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`i have nothing to support it but im going to take a wild guess that the defense is better`
`07:46.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`really it all depends on your current stats`
`07:46.35`	`AnduinLothar`	`what would be the tipping point tho`
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`07:48.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont know, im a warlock`
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`07:53.51`	`TC-Touch`	`poke`
`07:54.02`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`prod`
`07:54.22`	`TC-Touch`	`I can has conection`
`07:54.35`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`that you do`
`07:55.09`	`TC-Touch`	`as long as I don't need to ID anyway`
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`07:55.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`ok, keyboards are win`
`07:55.38`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`heh`
`07:57.42`	`kontroll`	`AnduinLothar: Late, but as far as defense goes, it's only useful until you hit the cap afaik.`
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`07:58.24`	`kontroll`	`The point of it would be to become uncritable. 535 defense for heroics, 540 for raids. :P`
`07:59.29`	`Wobin`	`Not so`
`07:59.35`	`AnduinLothar`	`that's undervaluing it`
`07:59.36`	`Wobin`	`lemme find the page`
`07:59.43`	`AnduinLothar`	`it still provides avoidance`
`07:59.57`	`kontroll`	`Huh. I guess I need to read up more.`
`08:00.17`	`AnduinLothar`	`if all you wanted was to be uncrittable you'd just use resiliance`
`08:00.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`it's a cheeper stat`
`08:00.28`	`kontroll`	`Hm.`
`08:00.39`	`kontroll`	`Well, Wobin was fetching information which I will eagerly read.`
`08:01.01`	`kontroll`	`I dinged 80 with my tankadin the day before yesterday, so I'm not exactly an expert. ;)`
`08:01.08`	`Wobin`	`damnit`
`08:01.09`	`AnduinLothar`	`25 defense skill gives:`
`08:01.09`	`AnduinLothar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:01.09`	`AnduinLothar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:01.09`	`AnduinLothar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:01.23`	`kontroll`	`Oooooh.`
`08:01.23`	`Wobin`	`I can't find the site... what's that tanking site?`
`08:02.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`i've been reading http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t37172-protection_paladin_field_manual_wow_3_0_wotlk/ tho i already knew most of it it's nice to have numbers`
`08:02.18`	`kontroll`	`Will definitely have a look.`
`08:02.18`	`kontroll`	`ty`
`08:03.05`	`AnduinLothar`	`so 13 def rating is liek 2.5ish def skill`
`08:03.27`	`AnduinLothar`	`which is like .1% miss, dodge, parry and block`
`08:04.01`	`AnduinLothar`	`compared to armor which only affects physical dmg`
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`08:05.26`	`AnduinLothar`	`150 armor is like .2% less physical dmg taken`
`08:05.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`very rough estimate`
`08:05.49`	`Wobin`	`http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f14/42074-balancing-avoidance-ratings.html`
`08:06.04`	`kontroll`	`If that's the case, then you clearly need to go for defense in that case.`
`08:06.16`	`AnduinLothar`	`so it's be like .45% less physical dmg vs .4%avoidance`
`08:06.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`tho block isn't really a full avoidance`
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`08:07.18`	`kontroll`	`.45%? ;O I missed something.`
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`08:07.31`	`AnduinLothar`	`i said 340 armor`
`08:07.37`	`AnduinLothar`	`+10% by talent`
`08:07.37`	`kontroll`	`Ah, yes.`
`08:08.29`	`AnduinLothar`	`didn't really do the math, just guestimated`
`08:08.29`	`AnduinLothar`	`but roughly equivalent percents except one is avoidance and one is physical dmg redux`
`08:08.48`	`AnduinLothar`	`which makes the case for def being better i think`
`08:09.13`	`AnduinLothar`	`now i just need to figure out what the ratio of betterness is per point for this algorithm`
`08:09.35`	`AnduinLothar`	`there's a reason i'm not a statistition`
`08:09.42`	`kontroll`	`But armor is subject to diminishing returns. :P¨`
`08:10.11`	`AnduinLothar`	`so is dodge, parry and block`
`08:10.11`	`AnduinLothar`	`miss is unknown`
`08:10.21`	`kontroll`	`# Importantly, defense rating does not suffer from diminishing returns, unlike dodge and parry rating. << :P`
`08:10.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`the % from defense doesn't no`
`08:10.51`	`AnduinLothar`	`er`
`08:10.55`	`AnduinLothar`	`i dunno.`
`08:11.10`	`kontroll`	`Meh, I liked it better before, when it was just me and a horde of mobs to AOE grind.`
`08:11.18`	`kontroll`	`No thought required.`
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`08:11.26`	`AnduinLothar`	`heh`
`08:12.03`	`AnduinLothar`	`i have to theory craft... i wonder which gear is better and then it bugs me till i figure it out`
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`08:12.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`when all the content is on farm status... you have to keep yourself entertained`
`08:12.30`	`kontroll`	`shrug I just put it on and go up against the dummies.`
`08:12.45`	`kontroll`	`Then again, my main is a rogue, much easier than tanking.`
`08:12.47`	`AnduinLothar`	`dummies dont help test damage redux`
`08:12.54`	`kontroll`	`Indeed.`
`08:12.58`	`AnduinLothar`	`and they especially dont help when you dont have the loot yet`
`08:13.04`	`kontroll`	`:P`
`08:13.13`	`kontroll`	`Rogues have it easy too.`
`08:13.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah i think if they had dummies that did, too many people would accidently get too close and kill themselves, then go qq about it`
`08:13.35`	`AnduinLothar`	`they'd have to have npc healers`
`08:13.52`	`kontroll`	`Since there are ~300m rogues, there's a pretty good amount of theorycrafters too. I get my numbers pre-crunched!`
`08:14.14`	`AnduinLothar`	`plenty of tanks, tho prolly the least pally tanks`
`08:14.26`	`kontroll`	`Might be so.`
`08:17.03`	`Cheatcakes`	`is there a way to change the absdimension of a texture in-game?`
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`08:34.15`	`Cheatcakes`	`c'mon does anyone know how to resize a texture in-game?`
`08:35.10`	`Olorin`	`texture::SetWidth(<n>) not work?`
`08:35.15`	`Olorin`	`grrr`
`08:35.26`	`Cheatcakes`	`oooooh lol :P thanks`
`08:35.30`	`Olorin`	`texture:SetWidth(20)`
`08:35.58`	`Olorin`	`and SetHeight too`
`08:36.21`	`AnduinLothar`	`...`
`08:36.26`	`Cheatcakes`	`now here's the challenging part... do you know how to make a texture go tiled inside of a frame?`
`08:36.40`	`Cheatcakes`	`I did it once before but I forgot how`
`08:37.21`	`Olorin`	`think can only do that at texture cration stage`
`08:37.37`	`Cheatcakes`	`alright, how?`
`08:37.52`	`Cheatcakes`	`just make the texture smaller than the frame?`
`08:41.05`	`Olorin`	`I forget :P`
`08:41.30`	`Olorin`	`or whaats the other excxuse oohh Im french`
`08:41.40`	`Cheatcakes`	`lol good one :P`
`08:49.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`AnduinLothar really?`
`08:49.30`	`AnduinLothar`	`realy what`
`08:49.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`...`
`08:49.51`	`AnduinLothar`	`...`
`08:50.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`00:37.52Â Â Â Â Â Â +AnduinLothar: ...`
`08:50.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`really?`
`08:50.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`~pound AnduinLothar`
`08:50.18`	`purl`	`ACTION flattens AnduinLothar with a meat tenderizer`
`08:56.58`	`Wobin`	`can someone do me a favour?`
`08:57.06`	`Wobin`	`head to http://www.willsquills.com.au/WillsQuillsNew.html and tell me if the images show up`
`08:57.54`	`Olorin`	`yes two box pictures`
`08:58.15`	`Codayus`	`Yeah, looks right.`
`08:58.18`	`Olorin`	`backdrop and main company name`
`08:58.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes Wobin`
`08:58.25`	`Wobin`	`good good`
`08:58.37`	`Wobin`	`My brother in law was having issues with IE6`
`08:58.49`	`Wobin`	`(stupid Westpac and not upgrading...)`
`08:58.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's still creating a connection after it has been loaded though`
`08:59.31`	`Wobin`	`I'll have to look into that`
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`08:59.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`oh, and the top image doesnt show up on the calligraphy service pages`
`08:59.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`page*`
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`09:00.36`	`Olorin`	`and the rollover img for the tabs at bottom is 1pixel height less :P`
`09:00.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`looks like it's the image that would say "calligraphy service"`
`09:01.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`and the copyright info section scrolls`
`09:02.21`	`Wobin`	`k, fixed the Calligraphy service image`
`09:03.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes, though i cant say much for the font...is the image resized?`
`09:03.48`	`Wobin`	`for the titles?`
`09:03.51`	`Wobin`	`It's not a font =)`
`09:04.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`ah, well that makes sense`
`09:04.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`though it looks blocky tbh`
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`09:04.43`	`Wobin`	`yeah, not quite sure what to do about that`
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`09:05.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=4584`
`09:06.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`this must be Cairenn\|afk in her younger days http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=1779`
`09:07.58`	`Corrodias`	`be it or not, i like what i see.`
`09:09.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`and Cairenn\|afk now http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=1455`
`09:14.00`	`Corrodias`	`why do the muppets have such good music`
`09:14.45`	`Corrodias`	`"I Hope That Somethin' Better Comes Along". awesome.`
`09:18.16`	`Cheatcakes`	`ok I've done this: <OnLoad> _G["FaraFrames15Texture"]:SetWidth(GetScreenWidth()); </OnLoad> but it doesn't set the texture to the screen width, rather, to a smaller size (one that's not an even multiple of the ui scale)`
`09:20.28`	`Olorin`	`do a print of GetScreenWidth to see what actual value it is`
`09:21.32`	`Cheatcakes`	`the texture width is 960 and the screen width is 1129`
`09:22.13`	`Olorin`	`mines 1365.33338 and my actual width is 1920`
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`09:24.32`	`Olorin`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetScreenWidth returns some wierd value based on aspect ratios`
`09:24.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`its effected by ui scale`
`09:26.24`	`Olorin`	`example on that site is DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage( ( GetScreenWidth() * UIParent:GetEffectiveScale() ).."x"..( GetScreenHeight() * UIParent:GetEffectiveScale() ) ); still wrong value for with, its scaled so the max lines is 768`
`09:27.21`	`Cheatcakes`	`hmmm so if I'd have to multiply by UIParent:GetEffectiveScale() if I wanted the full screen width?`
`09:28.38`	`m3lin`	`cant you check the WorldFrame size?`
`09:28.55`	`Cheatcakes`	`WorldFrame:GetWidth()?`
`09:28.55`	`m3lin`	`my worlframe is 1330 while uiparent is 1660`
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`09:29.42`	`Cheatcakes`	`width of the world frame is still 960`
`09:30.37`	`m3lin`	`well.. WorldFrame scale should be 1`
`09:31.06`	`m3lin`	`while my UIParent scale is 74%`
`09:31.45`	`Olorin`	`I dont have UI Scaling turned on and it reports my Worldframe: width as 1228, long way off 1920`
`09:31.56`	`Cheatcakes`	`yep, worldframe scale is 1`
`09:32.13`	`Olorin`	`bah, meant turned off*`
`09:34.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`heh`
`09:34.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah anything you think you know about aspect ratios and resolutions is probably useless when it comes to WoW`
`09:35.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`seriously screwy system`
`09:35.10`	`Cheatcakes`	`that's what it's sounding like`
`09:36.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`the worst part is that when you use ui scale you get more lines than your resolution, so you can almost never get pixel perfect alinement`
`09:36.43`	`Cheatcakes`	`yeah my project is turning out to be a lot harder than originally anticipated`
`09:36.56`	`Cheatcakes`	`but it seems so simple :S`
`09:37.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`hell theres even some bugs resulting from it when you have multiple frames all anchored to each other and causing constant recalculation of their possition`
`09:37.29`	`m3lin`	`whats the project?`
`09:37.58`	`Cheatcakes`	`a picture viewer sort of thing, it's mainly to be used for backgrounds`
`09:38.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`find something to use as an example, like maybe kgpanels`
`09:39.01`	`Cheatcakes`	`I'll check it out`
`09:39.39`	`m3lin`	`anyone got the name of the frame that Blizz uses to pass on damage messages, buffs etc?`
`09:39.57`	`m3lin`	`and XP, damage done to me etc`
`09:40.02`	`m3lin`	`all and all should be 3 frames`
`09:40.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`its 1 frame`
`09:40.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`check the FloatingCombatText code`
`09:40.42`	`m3lin`	`no.. XP is shown in a non-scroll frame while heals to me scrolls by quick`
`09:41.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`XP and honor arent shown in a static frame`
`09:41.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`its something like a nameplate`
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`09:41.41`	`m3lin`	`ok`
`09:42.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`not even positive its even a frame, could just be from the graphics engine`
`09:43.17`	`Olorin`	`cant get the info from the combat log?`
`09:43.19`	`Tekkub`	`the default XP stuff is out in the 3D world`
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`09:43.34`	`fcrick`	`why don't you just find the event, and see what registers it`
`09:43.34`	`Tekkub`	`you can't screw with it`
`09:44.01`	`m3lin`	`Im just out to change the font of it, nothing more`
`09:44.27`	`Kirov`	`You have to replace the default fonts.`
`09:44.29`	`Tekkub`	`can't even do that AFAIK`
`09:45.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`best way to change the fonts in wow is to create a Fonts folder and put new fonts with the same name as the current fonts in it`
`09:45.19`	`m3lin`	`well.. that'd change all fonts everywhere - and I dont want that :P`
`09:45.20`	`Tekkub`	`:best" is arguable`
`09:45.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats the only way to change everything`
`09:45.36`	`m3lin`	`Ive changed the chatframe font`
`09:45.46`	`nevcairiel`	`sadly you cannot change font size using that`
`09:46.04`	`m3lin`	`oh? I have`
`09:46.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`you cannot change fontsize for everything`
`09:46.07`	`fcrick`	`the UI only gets a CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_XP_GAIN event, and a PLAYER_XP_UPDATE`
`09:46.09`	`m3lin`	`my chatframe is 10px`
`09:46.12`	`Tekkub`	`chatframe is UI, not 3D world`
`09:46.19`	`Kirov`	`m3lin - you can replace the fonts in the fonts folder, then download one of the UI text modification addons and change it all back to whatever.`
`09:46.26`	`nevcairiel`	`i want to change the font size in the dropdown menus`
`09:46.28`	`nevcairiel`	`but no deal`
`09:46.51`	`Tekkub`	`I'll say it one last time, I don't think you can change the XP popup's font, at all`
`09:46.58`	`fcrick`	`you can change the dropdown font...`
`09:47.06`	`nevcairiel`	`the font, yes`
`09:47.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`you end up tainting the default ui if you mess with certain font objects`
`09:47.09`	`nevcairiel`	`the size, no`
`09:47.14`	`m3lin`	`Tekkub and the messageframe thats crolls by heals and such?`
`09:47.16`	`fcrick`	`uhh...i'm sure you can`
`09:47.17`	`nevcairiel`	`not without tainting the whole UI`
`09:47.22`	`fcrick`	`you can just gut the objects in the UI`
`09:47.23`	`Tekkub`	`Arrowmaster, taint? since when?`
`09:47.31`	`fcrick`	`ahh, well, you didn't say that hehe`
`09:47.33`	`Tekkub`	`I've replaced every one`
`09:47.48`	`Tekkub`	`m3lin, "scrolls by" ... where?`
`09:47.48`	`fcrick`	`i can do it on my client without affecting taint :)`
`09:47.53`	`fcrick`	`but then, i'm apecia`
`09:47.55`	`fcrick`	`*special`
`09:47.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`Tekkub: since forever, people constantly reported to you that your own font addon did it and you ignored them because you dont raid thus you dont care about the raid tab`
`09:48.14`	`m3lin`	`Tekkub in the middle of the screen, Im guessing the FloatingChatFrameTemplate frame`
`09:48.16`	`Tekkub`	`Arrowmaster, that was a fontstring, not a font object`
`09:48.29`	`Tekkub`	`know your shit if you're gonna cry taint ;P`
`09:48.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`i do`
`09:48.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`what 'fontstring'`
`09:48.58`	`Tekkub`	`the ones in the friends frame`
`09:49.09`	`nevcairiel`	`UNIT_NAME_FONT, NAMEPLATE_FONT, DAMAGE_TEXT_FON, STANDARD_TEXT_FONT, UIDROPDOWNMENU_DEFAULT_TEXT_HEIGHT <-- changing any of those causes the raid tab to be tainted`
`09:49.49`	`nevcairiel`	`now, thats not as critical in 3.0 anymore, since you cannot move players between groups anymore anyway`
`09:49.51`	`nevcairiel`	`(in fight)`
`09:49.55`	`Tekkub`	`nev, as in replacing with a new font object you created, and thus caries your taint? yea`
`09:50.10`	`Tekkub`	`changing the default objects == no taint`
`09:50.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`doing anyting to them taints them`
`09:50.57`	`nevcairiel`	`Tekkub: but you do apply your own font object to them :)`
`09:51.04`	`Tekkub`	`no, I don't`
`09:51.10`	`Tekkub`	`I change the default object`
`09:51.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`which would taint it`
`09:51.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`kinda a silly taint system huh`
`09:52.01`	`Tekkub`	`sigh for the last time, I change every font object in the default UI, and I don't taint by doing that`
`09:52.25`	`Tekkub`	`that's the whole REASON we were given the font objects`
`09:52.44`	`Tekkub`	`so they could be changed without that icky replacing font files crap`
`09:52.52`	`m3lin`	`Tekkub :P is it possible to, with SetFont() change the font of the CombatMessageFrameThing that scrolls by my damage done, healing done to me etc in the middle of the screen?`
`09:52.55`	`nevcairiel`	`Tekkub: http://github.com/tekkub/tekticles/tree/master/tekticles.lua#L23-26 how do you call that? i see someone changing the object directly, not the default :D`
`09:52.58`	`m3lin`	`without, replacing fonts`
`09:53.22`	`Tekkub`	`m3lin, if it's UI, yes, go find where it is in the UI`
`09:53.23`	`Kalroth`	`Tektek is busted!`
`09:53.27`	`Tekkub`	`I don't use that, I don't know`
`09:53.48`	`m3lin`	`I think Ive found it, but cant get its name`
`09:54.17`	`Tekkub`	`nevcairiel, okey yea I forgot about that crap :P`
`09:54.25`	`Tekkub`	`still doesn't cause issue`
`09:55.26`	`fcrick`	`DropDownList1Button1NormalText:SetText('foo') works...seems like you could just call SetFont instead`
`09:55.53`	`fcrick`	`would that affect taint?`
`09:56.53`	`Tekkub`	`SetFont will break inheritance, you should be able to just change the base font`
`09:57.29`	`fcrick`	`break inheritance? who is inheriting from DropDownList1Button1NormalText?`
`09:57.46`	`fcrick`	`you mean it will affect other texts?`
`09:57.50`	`Tekkub`	`font inheritance`
`09:58.29`	`Tekkub`	`GameFontHighlightSmallLeft`
`09:58.52`	`Tekkub`	`change that, you change everything that uses it (all the dropdown menu items.... possibly other things)`
`09:59.14`	`fcrick`	`well, i tried it it just changes the one text item`
`09:59.57`	`Tekkub`	`an audio option panel thing, channel button whatever that is, and dropdown stuff`
`09:59.59`	`fcrick`	`gets set back though...`
`10:00.41`	`fcrick`	`yeah i dunno how you'd work around that stuff without making more changes`
`10:01.10`	`Tekkub`	`sigh`
`10:01.26`	`Tekkub`	`GameFontHighlightSmallLeft:SetFont(YOUR FONT HERE)`
`10:01.27`	`fcrick`	`if you change the template after things that inherit it are created, are things already created effected?`
`10:01.35`	`Tekkub`	`yes`
`10:01.59`	`Tekkub`	`which is why you generally change all the fonts to a nice matching set`
`10:03.57`	`Tekkub`	`now it's an hour past when I was gonna go to bed`
`10:04.00`	`Tekkub`	`fuck you all!`
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`10:19.51`	`Zyndrome`	`http://zip.4chan.org/v/src/1231403522466.jpg`
`10:19.52`	`Zyndrome`	`sexy`
`10:23.23`	`fcrick`	`Zyndrome: i want my 10 seconds back`
`10:23.55`	`m3lin`	`no.. not really..`
`10:24.20`	`m3lin`	`however.. what is the left one doing with a spanking bat?`
`10:31.12`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I am thinking of using a for loop, with the name of the variable having a number appended to it. I I have put the values into the vars with 'id1, name1, id2, name2' but they are local; my question is: Is there a function like getgolbal() except for locals so I can do the equivalent of _G["id" .. i]?`
`10:32.16`	`AnduinLothar`	`yes, you can get a table of the scope, btu it'd be easier to just use a table`
`10:32.22`	`m3lin`	`why not use a table?`
`10:32.27`	`m3lin`	`much more control`
`10:33.31`	`Olorin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:34.37`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Olison: Look at type()`
`10:35.12`	`Mike-N-Go`	`ie: if type(something) == "sometype" then ... end`
`10:35.43`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Yah, my next idea was to use a table.`
`10:36.52`	`Olorin`	`thanks mike-n-go`
`10:38.37`	`Olorin`	`perfect :)`
`10:44.02`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Olorin: =]`
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`10:53.27`	`Mike-N-Go`	`What is this called, or how would you 'read' (put into english terms)?: _G["id" .. i]`
`10:55.15`	`Mike-N-Go`	`And what is it called doing "id" .. i ?`
`10:55.16`	`Kalroth`	`uhm?`
`10:55.44`	`Kalroth`	`Oh, it concats two values`
`10:56.09`	`Kalroth`	`concatenates*`
`10:56.13`	`Kalroth`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concatenation`
`11:00.48`	`m3lin`	`Mike-N-Go "id"..2 = "id2" --- "a".."b" = "ab" etc`
`11:01.08`	`zenzio`	`he was asking for the name, not what it did :)`
`11:01.20`	`m3lin`	`ah :P`
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`11:20.32`	`Olorin`	`hmm would Lifeward be the best weapon enchant for prot pally? at 80`
`11:21.11`	`Pizik`	`whats it do?`
`11:21.57`	`Olorin`	`heals wielder for 140-160 , dunno how frequnet though`
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`11:22.26`	`Olorin`	`when striking.. with my pallys AP that might not be so good lol`
`11:22.33`	`Elkano`	`3.0.8 will bring Stamina on weapon iirc`
`11:23.10`	`Olorin`	`might be cool, thanks`
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`12:02.45`	`jnwhiteh`	`O hai everyone!`
`12:03.26`	`nevcairiel`	`hai!`
`12:03.40`	`jnwhiteh`	`so my house is freezing`
`12:03.45`	`jnwhiteh`	`its been without heat for two weeks`
`12:03.54`	`nevcairiel`	`ouch`
`12:03.58`	`jnwhiteh`	`bit of a shock coming back from the British Virgin Islands =)`
`12:04.07`	`jnwhiteh`	`maybe in 12 hours it'll be up to 15Âº`
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`12:09.10`	`Kalroth`	`12 hours to warm a house up?`
`12:09.38`	`jnwhiteh`	`its in-floor heating`
`12:09.39`	`jnwhiteh`	`so year`
`12:09.40`	`jnwhiteh`	`yeah`
`12:09.48`	`Kalroth`	`I hope you brought some whiskey then`
`12:09.57`	`nevcairiel`	`thats why i always keep the heaters on anti-freeze, keeping at least 10° even when i'm gone =P`
`12:10.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`i just never leave the house`
`12:10.31`	`jnwhiteh`	`well our house is always uber warm`
`12:10.33`	`Kalroth`	`Arrowmaster is the winn .. oh wait, loser!`
`12:10.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`i think i havent stepped outside since christmas day`
`12:10.46`	`jnwhiteh`	`we have a bedroom, livingroom, kitchen, bathroom and office (and the hallway has a heater)`
`12:10.57`	`jnwhiteh`	`we normally just leave the livingroom and the hallway on and it keeps us crazy warm`
`12:11.21`	`Zyndrome`	`pile up some furniture and have a bonfire indoors`
`12:11.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`theres snow outside, i dont want to go out there but ive got a class tomorrow`
`12:11.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`but it takes about 24 hours to actually adjust to changes`
`12:11.42`	`jnwhiteh`	`and with the UK going down to -10Âº this past week, well :P`
`12:11.53`	`jnwhiteh`	`okay, so I walked into the ocean with my mobile in my pocket`
`12:11.57`	`jnwhiteh`	`so I need to go get it replaced`
`12:12.05`	`Kalroth`	`haha`
`12:12.18`	`nevcairiel`	`that happens when you go on vacation and dont take us with you, see!`
`12:12.21`	`jnwhiteh`	`unfortunately the phone company didn't add the insurance like they were told to when I bought it`
`12:12.26`	`jnwhiteh`	`so this will be quite the fight`
`12:12.33`	`jnwhiteh`	`but I'm an obnoxious American`
`12:12.41`	`jnwhiteh`	`they'll accommodate me just to avoid a scene :P`
`12:12.55`	`Kalroth`	`We got a high mobile fatality rate at work because of liquids; ocean, toilet, lead paint, etc`
`12:13.18`	`jnwhiteh`	`yeah the toilet was a huge problem at my last job`
`12:13.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`I don't see how, but I didn't want to think about it all that much`
`12:13.43`	`nevcairiel`	`people must be stupid`
`12:13.47`	`jnwhiteh`	`bbl :P`
`12:13.56`	`Kalroth`	`For us it was usually because of annoying customers`
`12:13.57`	`krka`	`people have crappy conversations`
`12:13.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`or use those cheap shitty belt clips`
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`12:30.18`	`foxlit`	`Whee, STOP 0x0000000E, STOP 0x0000000A`
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`13:20.26`	`Mike-N-Go`	`It is 255 characters that is the max in a SendMessage(), right?`
`13:20.34`	`Mike-N-Go`	`SendChatMessage(), rather`
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`13:20.58`	`Amarande`	`hmm, anyone notice this glitch before?`
`13:21.12`	`Amarande`	`"Prepare yourselves for batlle[sic]!" -- Wintergrasp notification`
`13:21.35`	`Mike-N-Go`	`~dict sic`
`13:22.15`	`foxlit`	`Mike-N-Go: applies to both, iirc`
`13:22.42`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Do you think that has anything to do with the glitch? An artifact of text left in it?`
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`13:23.46`	`Mike-N-Go`	`ZorbaTHut: ping`
`13:24.09`	`foxlit`	`who what why where?`
`13:26.37`	`Kalroth`	`you go, girl`
`13:26.50`	`foxlit`	`Maybe it'll stop crashing, eh?`
`13:27.21`	`Kalroth`	`no, that's because you're using cheapass hardware`
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`13:29.49`	`foxlit`	`As opposed to cheap ass-hardware?`
`13:30.04`	`Kalroth`	`I don't know any hardware made of ass`
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`13:33.30`	`ZorbaTHut`	`yo`
`13:44.36`	`Amarande`	`hm`
`13:44.43`	`Amarande`	`dalaran + virus scanner doing its daily scanner = torture`
`13:46.52`	`selckin`	`virus scanner = dumb`
`13:47.05`	`selckin`	`the only time you'll need it is when its too late`
`13:47.24`	`Amarande`	`also, why do I suspect there are -exactly- 100 qualifying quests for the Zul'Drak achievement? :\|`
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`13:47.30`	`selckin`	`+ the real nasty stuff it won't recoginise`
`13:47.38`	`selckin`	`a while list would be way more effective.`
`13:47.42`	`selckin`	`a black list is just stupid.`
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`13:50.28`	`Amarande`	`how many qualifying quests are there for Zul'Drak?`
`13:50.37`	`Amarande`	`I can't even seem to figure out how I'm supposed to come to 100`
`13:50.48`	`selckin`	`zul'drak is very close idd`
`13:50.51`	`selckin`	`think i did 1 extra or so`
`13:51.09`	`Amarande`	`I've got 89/100, four remaining quests in my log`
`13:51.13`	`foxlit`	`It's a very easy check-off, however.`
`13:51.38`	`foxlit`	`Complete Betrayal and the amani god line.`
`13:51.59`	`Amarande`	`of which one doesn't have followups (Storm King's Vengeance), two are last quests in their chains (Convocation at Zul'Heb and Betrayal), and I don't think (Ragemane's Flipper) has a followup`
`13:52.25`	`foxlit`	`Did the AC stuff?`
`13:52.42`	`Amarande`	`AC?`
`13:52.45`	`foxlit`	`crusade`
`13:53.09`	`Amarande`	`I've done pretty much every other quest I can find, other than the Amphitheater (not sure how many that is)`
`13:53.19`	`Amarande`	`and I have a couple quests in Gundrak, which I presume don't count`
`13:53.21`	`foxlit`	`around 5 or so`
`13:53.42`	`foxlit`	`The argent crusade alchemist's quest to kill/loot bats/spiders?`
`13:53.43`	`selckin`	`i'm 11, and i have like 10 quests in my log, omg.`
`13:54.20`	`Codayus`	`Mmm, you shouldn't have any problems if you just pick up every quest you see and follow the quest chains. But yeah, there's very few spare quests.`
`13:54.50`	`Codayus`	`You've done the Pa'Troll stuff, piloted the giant around, um...done the ebon blade quests?`
`13:55.13`	`Codayus`	`Oh, I see you said you've got the giant one.`
`13:55.52`	`Codayus`	`And the ebon blade; I didn't recognize the name. Hm.`
`13:57.30`	`Codayus`	`If it helps, Wowhead will give you a map showing all Alliance (or horde) questgivers in Zul'Drak. If all else fails you can just visit them in turn.`
`13:57.35`	`Codayus`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?zone=66`
`14:01.30`	`Amarande`	`Guh, I guess I have to play Drakuru's evil game of having to run around platformer-style ...`
`14:02.30`	`foxlit`	`I thought circle-strafe was a fps thing`
`14:02.44`	`Amarande`	`Ah for the days when we just had to kill things`
`14:03.02`	`Amarande`	`I'm assuming also that my tooltips lie, and that killing Thrym on the road won't actually count for the giant quest`
`14:03.07`	`Amarande`	`(if a five-man group could even do that ...)`
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`14:03.20`	`Lothaer`	`morning`
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`14:06.31`	`foxlit`	`been done before`
`14:06.35`	`foxlit`	`not sure if it credits you`
`14:07.19`	`Codayus`	`Amarande: No, I don't believe it would count. But why would you want to? :-)`
`14:07.46`	`foxlit`	`Hm, inserting that magical 4th 1GB stick really makes memtest unhappy :/`
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`14:10.34`	`Wobin`	`yay`
`14:10.37`	`Wobin`	`got the bronze drake`
`14:10.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Whee!`
`14:10.45`	`Lothaer`	`grats`
`14:10.50`	`Wobin`	`even with my sucky dps`
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`14:12.16`	`Amarande`	`Heya Lopeppeppy :)`
`14:12.20`	`Amarande`	`woooooohoooooooooo`
`14:12.27`	`Amarande`	`I see a blue recipe in my crate of meat today ...`
`14:13.22`	`foxlit`	`I got the cake achievement on my DK`
`14:13.33`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Heya, zenzio. Heya, Amarande`
`14:14.34`	`ZorbaTHut`	`haha, there's a titansteel bar up for 2g bid`
`14:14.52`	`Wobin`	`lol sold`
`14:15.02`	`ZorbaTHut`	`bid, sadly, the buyout is 240g ;)`
`14:15.14`	`Wobin`	`bid it anyway, maybe you'll get lucky =)`
`14:15.19`	`bleeter`	`apparently some guy in tampa is throwing out four Octanes`
`14:15.24`	`ZorbaTHut`	`done! :D`
`14:15.31`	`bleeter`	`if anyone lives near Tampa and has half a brain.. etc. etc.`
`14:16.38`	`Wobin`	`Octanes?`
`14:16.47`	`bleeter`	`you kids are prolly all 'isn't octane something for the car' anyways`
`14:16.52`	`bleeter`	`yeah, see wobin!`
`14:17.04`	`Lothaer`	`~sigh wobin`
`14:17.04`	`purl`	`ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "wobin!"`
`14:17.34`	`bleeter`	`Wobin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGI_Octane`
`14:17.43`	`Wobin`	`It's a straight chain alkane to me =P`
`14:18.23`	`alestane`	`Lopeppeppy: Whee?`
`14:19.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Wobin got a drake mount he wanted. Whee.`
`14:19.49`	`alestane`	`Ah.`
`14:21.46`	`alestane`	`Just hit 30 on Kirin Tor last night!`
`14:22.18`	`alestane`	`And a BoE blue that dropped in Redridge cleared 55g on the AH, so I'm at over 115g and didn't have to buy a mount.`
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`14:23.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Excellent!`
`14:23.25`	`Wobin`	`oh for a second there`
`14:23.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I expect to go home tonight after dinner, so you'll see me online again this weekend.`
`14:23.32`	`Wobin`	`I was wondering how you could get 30 with a faction =)`
`14:23.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm feeding myself, they can't keep me in a cage anymore!`
`14:24.02`	`alestane`	`Starting to chafe at the caretakers a little?`
`14:25.23`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Nah. I really wasn't eating for the last 2 days unless someone made it and glared at me while I ate it. Is good to have loving people to get me better faster. But my kitty is all alone.`
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`14:27.12`	`alestane`	`That's a good reason to go home.`
`14:28.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah, she's a good girl, but she's probably getting a weeeee bit lonely by now.`
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`14:33.25`	`foxlit`	`t[0]+t[1]+t[2]+t[3]+t[4]-t[id]; -- has to be a more elegant way of doing that`
`14:33.57`	`alestane`	`foxlit: In Lua?`
`14:34.00`	`foxlit`	`yes`
`14:34.25`	`foxlit`	`I basically want a sum of table elements minus the value of an element I determine.`
`14:34.29`	`alestane`	`There's no built-in sum() function, but easy enough to write one.`
`14:34.59`	`foxlit`	`I doubt that sort of recursion would be a good idea.`
`14:35.01`	`alestane`	`But you can't just feed it unpack(t) unless you move to 1-based arrays.`
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`14:35.14`	`alestane`	`tail call, not deep recursion.`
`14:35.18`	`foxlit`	`unpack(t,0,1) works`
`14:35.22`	`foxlit`	`s/1/n/`
`14:35.26`	`Ycarene`	`What stat affects poison crits for rogues?`
`14:35.31`	`alestane`	`Oh, okay.`
`14:35.44`	`foxlit`	`However, I don't think it'll tailcall - it's not a direct return, you perform calculations on it.`
`14:35.59`	`alestane`	`You can set it up to.`
`14:36.03`	`foxlit`	`oh?`
`14:36.52`	`m3lin`	`Ive been thinking of making a lib for functions like.. turning 438573458 coppar into gold, silver and copper and other functions - but before I do - is there such addon out there?`
`14:36.57`	`alestane`	`If you write it correctly, let me think.`
`14:37.00`	`m3lin`	`dont wanna invent the wheel all over again`
`14:38.00`	`foxlit`	`function gsc(c) return floor(c/100/100) floor(c/100)%100, c%100 end`
`14:38.16`	`foxlit`	`with a bonus comma in there somewhere`
`14:38.17`	`alestane`	`Hmm, yeah. This is a little tricky, gotta check something.`
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`14:41.55`	`alestane`	`Okay, not so sure anymore about the tail calls. but you could right it as a for: function sum(...) local total = 0; for i=1,select('#', ...) do total = total + select(i, ...) end return total; end`
`14:42.18`	`alestane`	`write*`
`14:45.27`	`alestane`	`Then sum(-t[id], unpack(t, 0))`
`14:48.15`	`batrick`	`local function sum(a, b, ...) if b then return sum(a+b, ...) else return a end end`
`14:50.17`	`alestane`	`Now that should work.`
`14:50.36`	`alestane`	`That's ore or less what I was trying to think of.`
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`15:00.44`	`m3lin`	`is there anyway to target the ghoul companion of a deathknight? I know unholy can have them as pet, but if its a "normal" ghoul?`
`15:01.14`	`alestane`	`Of a specific death night, probably not, but you can try targeting "Risen Ghoul".`
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`15:01.24`	`m3lin`	`they are named stuff`
`15:01.32`	`m3lin`	`or is that only the pet versions?`
`15:01.46`	`alestane`	`The unholy pet ones are, but I think the temporary ones are just "Risen Ghoul."`
`15:01.52`	`m3lin`	`ah ok`
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`15:02.52`	`m3lin`	`is there any event for them being summoned?`
`15:03.01`	`foxlit`	`catch the spellcast?`
`15:03.11`	`alestane`	`I think they'll show up in COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED.`
`15:03.28`	`Amarande`	`speaking of targeting, you know what's fun in pvp?`
`15:03.33`	`Amarande`	`hunters that name their pet the same as themselves ...`
`15:03.43`	`alestane`	`Fun for whom?`
`15:04.50`	`m3lin`	`wasnt there a time when hunters named their pets with unit ID's?`
`15:05.06`	`m3lin`	`like "player" or such, and thus causing the targeting system to fail`
`15:05.27`	`foxlit`	`Time to scrap the entire "guardian" system, imo`
`15:05.43`	`m3lin`	`or add guardian as a unit ID`
`15:05.53`	`alestane`	`It's not one-to-one.`
`15:06.22`	`alestane`	`You can't guarantee that a player only has one guardian ATM.`
`15:06.27`	`Amarande`	`heh, can you name your pet "PH Texture"? lol`
`15:06.27`	`m3lin`	`true`
`15:06.34`	`m3lin`	`druid trees are also guardians`
`15:06.36`	`foxlit`	`guardian42, go :)`
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`15:06.44`	`foxlit`	`druid trees get the pet bar`
`15:07.18`	`m3lin`	`hmm..`
`15:08.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ghost wolves?`
`15:09.10`	`foxlit`	`same, though no personal experience`
`15:09.32`	`foxlit`	`Do see people ocassionally going "stick the ghost wolves on (some target)", so they're probably controllable.`
`15:10.23`	`m3lin`	`is UNIT_PET fired each time a pet is summoned?`
`15:10.40`	`m3lin`	`or just when it changes?`
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`15:17.24`	`m3lin`	`meh.. why cant DK's speak demonic or some "lich" language?`
`15:17.44`	`foxlit`	`cause they're neither.`
`15:18.03`	`selckin`	`why do poeple care about the languages :\`
`15:18.10`	`Ycarene`	`DK's speak the languages they knew in life.`
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`15:18.29`	`foxlit`	`Btw, meet http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=32497 : http://www.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/book_excerpt_-_world_of_warcraft_arthas_rise_of_the_lich_king/`
`15:18.53`	`m3lin`	`selckin Im on an RP realm - we care about a lot of small details =)`
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`15:19.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`m3lin, that's actually thankfully a correct detail. There is no specific language for the newly risen.`
`15:20.20`	`Ycarene`	`The lich king knows both common (from arthas) and orcish (from ner'zhul) and whatever languages those two knew, that doesn't mean he's going to pass that all down to his minions.`
`15:20.21`	`m3lin`	`well true - the DKs havent been DKs for very long`
`15:21.03`	`Lopeppeppy`	`An extremely short amount of time, actually, m3lin.`
`15:21.05`	`Ycarene`	`Most liches probably speak primarily common, as most were human in life.`
`15:21.20`	`m3lin`	`something bugs me tho, about DKs and RP :P and its the belf DKs that roams the streets of silvermoon acting as minions of the LK (still purely evil)`
`15:22.30`	`foxlit`	`who?`
`15:22.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`They didn't get the message yet.`
`15:23.35`	`Ycarene`	`The communication that the LK has with his minions is mental and likely presents itself to said minions in the language in which they are most familiar.`
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`15:39.13`	`Amarande`	`yay, another day of sitting around in LFG.`
`15:39.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yummyfun.`
`15:39.40`	`Amarande`	`I'm almost tempted to tell these other DPS guys looking for heroic groups that they should just forget it and reroll`
`15:40.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No U.`
`15:40.34`	`Amarande`	`I wonder if the server has a shortage of tanks and healers, and thus a shortage of groups`
`15:41.18`	`Amarande`	`Or if the days of 5-man in WotLK came and went back in November :\|`
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`15:42.04`	`Amarande`	`Jesus. By the time I even can type /w (charactername), they already fill the one DPS slot that opened ...`
`15:43.44`	`Amarande`	`Wonder if I'm going to have to transfer off the server again ...`
`15:44.15`	`Amarande`	`heh, that should be an achievement. "spend $X on Blizzard character related services on this character"`
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`15:48.07`	`alestane`	`You could always roll a tank, no shortage of groups then.`
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`15:54.09`	`Amarande`	`alestane: I'm thinking what my warlock's future is, though.`
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`15:55.33`	`mikma`	`moo`
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`15:58.12`	`foxlit`	`alestane: whoah, no`
`15:58.14`	`foxlit`	`roll a healer.`
`15:58.37`	`alestane`	`Granted, the tank pool got larger and he healer pool didn't much.`
`15:58.39`	`foxlit`	`The downside, of course, is that you'd have to heal.`
`15:58.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I love to heal.`
`15:59.12`	`Amarande`	`foxlit: the downside, is that healer classes tend to be irritating as all hell to level`
`15:59.16`	`foxlit`	`You're not the one thinking about your warlock's future :)`
`15:59.18`	`Amarande`	`which is why my priest is still level 62. :\|`
`16:00.22`	`foxlit`	`You could, of course, use a damage spec while levelling.`
`16:01.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Very popular for helping you learn how to heal groups, those damage specs... sigh Leveling out of spec creates crappy healers in their first runs.`
`16:02.08`	`foxlit`	`You're going to be crappy during your first runs regardless`
`16:03.38`	`foxlit`	`The only difference is whether you prefer wiping your group to VanCleef or Loken.`
`16:03.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`VanCleef. nod Learn to use your tools early and often.`
`16:04.30`	`foxlit`	`The fallacy is that you have no tools at that level.`
`16:04.33`	`Hirsute`	`grumble grumble ScITE grumble grumble`
`16:04.41`	`alestane`	`My Disc/Holy is 62, but even leveling in a group of three I've been doing more DPS than healing.`
`16:05.48`	`foxlit`	`Regardless, you could always respec if you're going into a level-appropriate instance`
`16:05.52`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Leveling in a group, yes, you need to toss out some DPS as a healer. But in a 5 man dungeon, doing that too much can kill everyone. It's an exchange.`
`16:05.56`	`foxlit`	`Not like you get good at healing by soloing with a healing spec.`
`16:08.04`	`zenzelezz`	`foxlit: are you telling me healer priests don't use PW:S, SW:P, wand rotation in raids?`
`16:08.54`	`Amarande`	`foxlit: on the other hand, though`
`16:09.04`	`Amarande`	`if you wipe your group to Van Cleef, everyone's forgotten about it when you're 80`
`16:09.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`zenzelezz, that depends on the raid, the boss, the number of healers in the group, and the familiarity with the fight.`
`16:09.18`	`Amarande`	`if you wipe your group to Loken, it goes on your rap sheet across the server's whole 80 community`
`16:09.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`When a fight is hard and people are dying, if a healer registers as wanding it up and they're not OOM, I'm gonna skin them alive myself.`
`16:09.47`	`foxlit`	`Wiping to Loken, however, has nothing to do with your healing abilities, and everything to do with being a moron.`
`16:09.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`"Do not stand in the poo"`
`16:10.43`	`foxlit`	`"An Xbox or a Playstation 3 left on 24/7/365 uses as much energy as two modern fridges." << I wonder`
`16:11.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I don't.... fridges are pretty energy efficient now a days. But there's no energy efficient standard for gaming systems.`
`16:11.50`	`foxlit`	`they go on to quote the console energy usage as ~150W`
`16:12.44`	`alestane`	`Considering the computing power, that's not unbelievable. Provided they mean, "on and being played", and not "plugged in and on standby."`
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`16:13.30`	`foxlit`	`yes, of course.`
`16:13.37`	`foxlit`	`I still want to know what a modern fridge uses.`
`16:13.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Remember, fridges are on standby cycles too. And some people just leave their game systems up as an internet thingie 24/7, I see it in lots of friends homes. Like a mini server, never off.`
`16:14.17`	`alestane`	`And are they counting the TV consumption in that at all?`
`16:14.45`	`foxlit`	`probably not.`
`16:14.58`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Not by the wording of the phrase, nope.`
`16:16.17`	`Amarande`	`hmm. also, am I just thinking it, or has it gradually gotten more and more sucky to play a DPS class since classic?`
`16:17.13`	`Syzgyn`	`sucky?`
`16:17.17`	`Amarande`	`Let's see. In classic, it was good to be a DPS. You had to grind a lot to level, 5-man's were actually important, and you weren't your fucking khakis, because there were so many fewer race boss battles.`
`16:18.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`If you only exist to be unique and the best at DPS, yes, it sucks more. If you're content to be one of the DPS pack as far as not having very unique abilities, and really make yourself stand out by being an excellent player... you're still fine.`
`16:18.03`	`Syzgyn`	`I think good dps still have it good`
`16:18.05`	`Amarande`	`In BC and WotLK, it seems to suck to be a DPS. You don't have to grind a lot to level, therefore everyone and their dog has an 80 DPS, 5-man's are virtually unimportant, and you ARE your khakis, because an ever-increasing amount of content is DPS race where everything IS the +zomg on your gear.`
`16:18.14`	`foxlit`	`Random energy star lookup results in 409 kWh / year ~ 46.7 W fridge.`
`16:18.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`There's a bit less... "sparkle" now to being any class or race, honestly.`
`16:18.30`	`Amarande`	`Especially in WotLK where people are going straight to Naxx from hitting 80.`
`16:19.17`	`Syzgyn`	`Amarande: In classic there were also boss encounters where you had to stand there and hit 1 button for 8 minutes, and people still failed at them hardcore.`
`16:19.39`	`foxlit`	`It's difficult to spam frostbolt and watch TV at the same time`
`16:19.42`	`foxlit`	`Cut me some slack!`
`16:19.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`For serious.`
`16:20.54`	`Amarande`	`Lopeppeppy: but when heroic groups ask for DPS once every couple hours or so, and you need better reflexes than on Heaven or Hell mode in DMC3 to put in your PST before it's filled ... heh`
`16:21.02`	`Amarande`	`it goes from being "less sparkle"`
`16:21.11`	`Amarande`	`to "ugh, I'm only good for dailies and crafting/mining"`
`16:21.35`	`mikma`	`fuck falco-punch! http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/kangaroo_punch.jpg`
`16:21.36`	`foxlit`	`getaguild`
`16:21.40`	`Syzgyn`	`Thats why you make tank and healer friends, and start the groups yourself :P`
`16:22.07`	`foxlit`	`I haven't yet been a group short of a tank`
`16:22.12`	`foxlit`	`snicker`
`16:22.29`	`mikma`	`hahahaha`
`16:22.30`	`mikma`	`http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/thinkin_about.jpg`
`16:22.32`	`mikma`	`god damn`
`16:22.42`	`Amarande`	`from what I'm seeing, the server seems to be short on tanks and healers`
`16:22.50`	`Amarande`	`at least judging by the amount of time people ask for them in LFG`
`16:22.51`	`Syzgyn`	`mikma: I love that one`
`16:23.03`	`mikma`	`"men are so simple"`
`16:23.05`	`zenzelezz`	`Amarande: that's because the healers and tanks made friends who keep them busy`
`16:23.09`	`Syzgyn`	`Amarande: ^^`
`16:23.12`	`Amarande`	`unless there -are- plenty of tanks and healers, but they all are scooped up by raid guilds and don't group outside of guild`
`16:23.31`	`Amarande`	`people seem to not like to PuG`
`16:23.44`	`Amarande`	`and guilds whose emphasis is 5-man content seem to be nonexistent`
`16:23.50`	`Syzgyn`	`Because theres still craptons of bad dps out there wanting to pug`
`16:23.56`	`Syzgyn`	`why put yourself through that if you dont have to?`
`16:24.06`	`Amarande`	`even ones that emphasize 10-man content seem to be very rare, and mostly just doing it as a prep for 25's`
`16:24.09`	`zenzelezz`	`as you said yourself, it's easy to get high-level these days, so the LFG channel is flooded with mediocre players who ruin it for the good ones`
`16:24.35`	`Syzgyn`	`I havent had the LFG channel on since BC :P Almost completely useless.`
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`16:24.49`	`foxlit`	`Or perhaps your DPS has a habit of using the LFG tool to whisper group leaders directly`
`16:25.01`	`foxlit`	`So there's never a need for /4 LFM 17 dps to (blah)`
`16:25.39`	`Amarande`	`yeah, most LFG'ing seems to happen in /2, oddly enough`
`16:25.50`	`Amarande`	`which just plain sucks ass`
`16:25.52`	`Amarande`	`because, well`
`16:26.06`	`Amarande`	`it punishes you for questing while waiting for a group, because you need to stay and sit around in the city so you have ACCESS to /2`
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`16:30.07`	`Amarande`	`I probably didn't expect that things would progress this quickly in WotLK, either.`
`16:30.40`	`mikma`	`so i got asked to code a addon that shows when the mob is going to die`
`16:30.58`	`Amarande`	`5-man's seem to have already gone to being mostly just for some quick badges, like six months ago in BC`
`16:31.49`	`Amarande`	`That was one thing that was definitely different in Classic, the 5-man instances look like they actually were a lot more important back then.`
`16:32.23`	`Lopeppeppy`	`mikma, that's impossible to predict.`
`16:32.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You might be able to look at their health, like so many other addons do... but to predict when they are about to die beyond sheer HP loss?`
`16:33.08`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I'm amazed at Blizzard's inability to realize that if you give people two methods of accomplishing something, and one of them is easy, and the other one is hard but the game encourages you to do it, people will always pick the easy method`
`16:33.16`	`ZorbaTHut`	`especially if the second one is actually less effective`
`16:34.04`	`ZorbaTHut`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:35.34`	`mikma`	`lopeppeppy: yeah it's impossible, but i was given out a formula that should predict it`
`16:35.36`	`Amarande`	`wow, 26k HP is required for tanks now`
`16:35.45`	`mikma`	`it's not accurate of course, but "more like a guideline"`
`16:36.06`	`Amarande`	`yay, got a group for H-OK`
`16:36.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`What is OK?`
`16:36.22`	`Amarande`	`and I've never been to OK before. :\|`
`16:36.25`	`Amarande`	`Old Kingdom`
`16:36.32`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I've thought that it would be neat to add a little plugin to Pitbull that tracks enrage timers, and adds a little bar showing where the boss's hit points "ought to be" to kill it fast enough`
`16:37.01`	`ZorbaTHut`	`just basing it on the assumption that the average DPS from the beginning of the fight will continue until enrage occurs`
`16:37.47`	`Anaral`	`Thank you Blizz: (i) Reduced the cooldown on Northrend Alchemy Research from 7 days to 3 days.`
`16:37.54`	`Anaral`	`AnduinLothar: (i) Changed the Crazy Alchemist Potion so it always gives health and mana. It also grants the benefit of another random potion effect.`
`16:38.22`	`Anaral`	`Er, it wasn't supposed to ping AnduinLothar... not sure why it extended and`
`16:38.29`	`Anaral`	`I didn't press tab`
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`16:39.01`	`alestane`	`You have two (i)s there though.`
`16:39.51`	`Anaral`	`Aye, I copied it from mmo-champ.`
`16:40.25`	`alestane`	`I need to do another research. Adder's tongue grow anywhere besides Sholazar?`
`16:40.36`	`Amarande`	`Worse in the case of 5-mans in WotLK, they made there be absolutely no reason to do the 80 instances on normal.`
`16:40.44`	`Anaral`	`And I love that they're going to make mining nodes work like herb nodes.`
`16:40.56`	`mikma`	`--Current Health / (Health lost in last X seconds / X) = Time left in seconds`
`16:41.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Anaral: Me too.`
`16:41.08`	`Anaral`	`alestane: only sholazar and instances`
`16:41.12`	`mikma`	`i was told this should calculate the time. of course if the dps changes, the time changes too`
`16:41.30`	`alestane`	`mikma: that basically works like the "time remaining' on download bars.`
`16:41.46`	`Amarande`	`hmm`
`16:41.52`	`Amarande`	`did they fix screen freeze on summon, btw?`
`16:41.59`	`mikma`	`alestane: yes, exactly. changes if downloadspeed changes`
`16:42.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`<ZorbaTHut> I've thought that it would be neat to add a little plugin to Pitbull that tracks enrage timers, and adds a little bar showing where the boss's hit points "ought to be" to kill it fast enough <-- just use TimeToDie + Bossmod Berserk timer bar ^^`
`16:42.10`	`Amarande`	`I get summoned to the pit by AN and OK and then WoW just ... froze`
`16:42.44`	`Amarande`	`(also, I get an ungodly long pause half the time when I hearth to Dalaran ...)`
`16:42.59`	`Amarande`	`wonder if I need to upgrade to a solid state HD and DDR2 RAM`
`16:43.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`enough ram will do it.`
`16:43.59`	`ZorbaTHut`	`how much ram do you have?`
`16:44.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`(+defrag on your non-ssd hdd)`
`16:44.09`	`Anaral`	`Woot! More fly and go in flight form: (i) Opening: Opening doors and objects should no longer cause shapeshifted forms to be cancelled.`
`16:44.29`	`Amarande`	`Zorba: 2GB`
`16:44.49`	`ZorbaTHut`	`eh, not a huge amount, but oughta be enough`
`16:46.22`	`Amarande`	`If I had more, I'd have to use Vista64`
`16:46.27`	`Amarande`	`and that causes compatibility issues with some games`
`16:46.31`	`Olorin`	`usually find that kinda lag sometimes caused by vid card ram, i downgraded my vid card due to my 8800gtx going up in smoke and that makes lot of difference`
`16:47.15`	`Corrodias`	`as always, most compatibility issues can be Worked Around, but it's easier not to deal with them in the first place.`
`16:47.28`	`Amarande`	`oh, dear.`
`16:47.32`	`Amarande`	`we're wiping on the second pull.`
`16:49.03`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Owies.`
`16:49.17`	`Corrodias`	`i hope it's not because you're talking to us >_>`
`16:49.24`	`ZorbaTHut`	`or xp64 ;)`
`16:49.57`	`Corrodias`	`i figure xp64 is probably the least popular of the "four popular flavors", xp x86 and vista x86 and x64`
`16:50.09`	`Corrodias`	`* being the other three`
`16:51.31`	`Amarande`	`I think we didn't quite realize the effect of Glutinous Poison`
`16:55.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Poison sucks. Cleanse it.`
`16:56.28`	`Amarande`	`hm, we just wiped on Nadox`
`16:56.35`	`brykrys`	`suck the poison?`
`16:57.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No, you suck the poison, I'll watch.`
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`17:05.30`	`foxlit`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=2038 I wonder what blizzard was thinking`
`17:06.11`	`foxlit`	`"kite him to Vael's room" doesn't seem like an achievement-worthy strategy, yet here it is.`
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`17:07.15`	`Fisker-`	`indeed`
`17:07.19`	`Fisker-`	`my strategy wins`
`17:07.45`	`durcyn`	`the kiting achievements are still less annoying than the "okay, 20% of the group log out" achievements`
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`17:08.05`	`foxlit`	`Put on your pants and 4-man the instance`
`17:08.07`	`Amarande`	`hm, another wipe.`
`17:08.09`	`Corrodias`	`achievements cannot annoy if you ignore them, right?`
`17:08.16`	`foxlit`	`That's the proper way to do that particular one :)`
`17:08.22`	`durcyn`	`can't ignore them, need internet points!`
`17:08.28`	`Amarande`	`healer got locked out of spells :\|`
`17:08.32`	`durcyn`	`and i was referring more to the 20 and 8 raid achievements`
`17:11.22`	`kamdis`	`Does anyone know of an addon that will, if you're in a BG and another BG you were queued for pops, can tell you if it's a NEW instance or an old game (based on the list of games you saw when you queued)?`
`17:11.42`	`kamdis`	`I assume that would be possible to write?`
`17:12.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I haven't pvp'd in so long... do they use unique ID's for each instance, or do they recycle the ID's?`
`17:12.47`	`kamdis`	`I don't know.`
`17:12.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Like you could have AV8, and when it's done, spawn another AV8, so you'd never know if it was the old or the new?`
`17:13.16`	`kamdis`	`Ah, that's true.`
`17:13.40`	`kamdis`	`Well, that's something for me to investigate. Thanks, Peppy.`
`17:13.52`	`Amarande`	`agh.`
`17:13.53`	`kamdis`	`Maybe this will actually get me to write my first addon.`
`17:13.58`	`Amarande`	`I'm going to get tossed to my death one of these times ...`
`17:14.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Whee for inspiration.`
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`17:19.20`	`foxlit`	`Your best would be to re-invent Skynet`
`17:20.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Heya, Shirik.`
`17:20.09`	`Shirik`	`hihi`
`17:20.10`	`foxlit`	`With enough clients on the cluster, you could just send "AV42 just finished" notifications.`
`17:21.38`	`Fisker-`	`What one foxlit ?`
`17:22.27`	`Shirik`	`I hate labview so much`
`17:22.29`	`Shirik`	`so much`
`17:27.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`hi AckisWork`
`17:29.13`	`Fisker-`	`I want my GTX 285 Shirik`
`17:29.15`	`Fisker-`	`please provide`
`17:29.41`	`Amarande`	`Volazj = teh suck. :\|`
`17:30.02`	`Amarande`	`I just died because the paladin in Insanity was outhealing me. :\|`
`17:30.11`	`Fisker-`	`So annoying that most of the achievements are done with exploits`
`17:30.20`	`Fisker-`	`so now everyone who was late have to do it without exploiting`
`17:30.20`	`Fisker-`	`:D`
`17:36.24`	`Amarande`	`actually, Volazj = teh awesome`
`17:36.28`	`Amarande`	`I just got 2 upgrades off him`
`17:36.31`	`Amarande`	`and a JC pattern`
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`17:45.53`	`Amarande`	`gah.`
`17:45.58`	`Amarande`	`heroic bonus boss in ahnkahet = fail`
`17:46.44`	`duaiwe`	`... its a moronically easy boss.`
`17:47.20`	`Amarande`	`apparently the tank didn't get a mushroom and we wiped`
`17:47.57`	`ZorbaTHut`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Nagrand&n=Margeril best equipment ever. apparently this character was in a Ramps group in this exact set :D`
`17:48.09`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`a) so you're tank's an idiot. not a boss problem. b) is your healer that bad? i've healed a tank through that and still killed the boss.`
`17:48.20`	`Amarande`	`c) it might be bugged`
`17:48.30`	`Amarande`	`apparently, at least one person has said they killed a healthy mushroom and didn't lose the mini debuff`
`17:49.08`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`so kill another? seriously, the fight is not hard. you have to suck pretty bad or have no clue what's going on to fail at it`
`17:49.40`	`durcyn`	`it's not bugged, it does require two functioning brain cells though`
`17:50.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`durcyn: that's two more than most people, sadly`
`17:50.36`	`Corrodias`	`you realize that two cells on their own would not function, don't you?`
`17:52.01`	`mikma`	`zorbathut: i've seen it happen :D i sold all my gear with my mage and deleted the char (lvl60) ... couple of months later i asked gm to return it and i had to gear him from 0`
`17:53.02`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I feel like this is the point where you go buy a bunch of greens off the AH, though`
`17:53.28`	`ZorbaTHut`	`also: seal of the dawn? seriously?`
`17:54.22`	`mikma`	`i had 0g, 0 gear :) good thing my friend boosted me some instances with his lvl70 hunter and i was able to gear up pretty quickly`
`17:55.01`	`mikma`	`http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Haomarush&n=Mikma`
`17:55.04`	`mikma`	`pew pew :I`
`17:55.52`	`NeoTron`	`Fisker-: "most" of the achievements is a bit exaggarated. some are for sure`
`17:55.58`	`mikma`	`my first char in wow <3`
`17:56.08`	`mikma`	`tem: wink wink, mage ;)`
`17:56.23`	`NeoTron`	`Amarande: as a note we one did the mushroom boss and despite many earlier kills pretty much just died`
`17:56.46`	`NeoTron`	`we couldn't figure out wtf happened so it's possible there's someething weird in the fight that causes occasional bugging (only happened that one time)`
`17:58.46`	`kamdis`	`Amarande you have to be standing right on top of the mushroom when you kill it for it to take off the debuff.`
`17:59.52`	`\|Jelly\|`	`RAWR @ 2 night Naxx clears :(`
`18:00.13`	`\|pez\|`	`I dinget 80 earlier today! :o`
`18:00.46`	`zenzelezz`	`grats`
`18:01.11`	`\|pez\|`	`tyty, only took me.... almost two months.`
`18:02.14`	`\|pez\|`	`I visited Icecrown for the first time today. It was quite the scary and doomy place.`
`18:02.26`	`\|pez\|`	`Think I'll wait with that one until I've got a epic flying mount.`
`18:02.39`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Icecrown reminds me of Mordor`
`18:02.56`	`\|pez\|`	`Yeah, I even killed the eye!`
`18:03.20`	`p3lim`	`Hm, a good description of what a font-flag is?`
`18:03.40`	`p3lim`	`I know what it is and what it does, but im giving a part of my addon a description`
`18:06.25`	`foxlit`	`fun`
`18:06.34`	`foxlit`	`Windows Update is incompatible with the 64-bit version of Internet Explorer`
`18:07.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sexy`
`18:09.08`	`Amarande`	`EPIC FAIL`
`18:11.53`	`\|Jelly\|`	`lulzimo`
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`18:14.27`	`foxlit`	`It automatically launches the 32-bit one`
`18:14.33`	`foxlit`	`But still fun :)`
`18:16.51`	`ReAn`	`danm i feel good`
`18:17.02`	`ReAn`	`i just released a full software package`
`18:17.04`	`ReAn`	`:D`
`18:17.10`	`ReAn`	`it's got me in a programming mood`
`18:17.14`	`ReAn`	`perhaps ill work on my wow mod now`
`18:17.15`	`NeoTron`	`we finally went to, and killed, Malygos last night`
`18:17.26`	`Amarande`	`is Malygos that much of a wimp?`
`18:17.36`	`\|Jelly\|`	`ReAn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL9ihXiFAko`
`18:17.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`quite the pushover.`
`18:17.42`	`\|Jelly\|`	`(Prolly NSFW)`
`18:17.47`	`NeoTron`	`during the night we had several connection problems (DC issues), flooding (a guys house was flooding so he had to go afk for a while) and all sorts of fun`
`18:18.04`	`NeoTron`	`Amarande: he was a lot harder in 25-man than 10-man but he's not THAT hard`
`18:18.30`	`NeoTron`	`but you're also talking about a guild that killed M'uru pre-nerf so we're not incompetent either :P`
`18:20.30`	`zenzelezz`	`you did M'uru pre-nerf, but didn't go Malygos until now?`
`18:22.08`	`Amarande`	`yay, welcome to that all new aspect of WoW`
`18:22.11`	`Amarande`	`LFT&H`
`18:22.26`	`Amarande`	`I swear <Disgruntled DPS Trio> would be a great name for a guild`
`18:22.29`	`Amarande`	`or perhaps a 3v3 arena team`
`18:27.52`	`foxlit`	`"We are now configuring your wireless Bluetooth transceiver..."`
`18:27.52`	`NeoTron`	`zenzelezz: right`
`18:28.00`	`foxlit`	`And, in the background, the windows "New Hardware" dialog pops up`
`18:28.11`	`NeoTron`	`zenzelezz: we started as a 10-man raiding guild and got bored and then started recruiting shortly before christmas`
`18:28.18`	`foxlit`	`To top it all of, the process kills the connected bluetooth mouse.`
`18:28.25`	`NeoTron`	`we got quite a few of the original crew back but new people as well`
`18:29.47`	`Amarande`	`ok, now it's just LFT`
`18:29.59`	`Amarande`	`Neo: there are 10-man raiding guilds?`
`18:30.11`	`Amarande`	`I thought these days almost everyone used 10-man as mostly a stepping stone for 25's`
`18:30.14`	`Amarande`	`like 25's are somehow better`
`18:30.39`	`Corrodias`	`if you're a raider, you probably aren't satisfied doing "some of" the dungeons`
`18:30.51`	`Corrodias`	`you probably eventually want to see more of them, including the 25's`
`18:31.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`meh. I'd be happy just doing 10s, really, if it was a small guild i really liked`
`18:32.13`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`there's probably one too many "really"s in there`
`18:32.33`	`NeoTron`	`Amarande: of course :P`
`18:32.41`	`NeoTron`	`just was not sufficient for us`
`18:32.45`	`Amarande`	`hm`
`18:32.51`	`Amarande`	`is this a bad sign, that I have more mana than the healer?`
`18:32.56`	`NeoTron`	`problem is we cleared all 10 man content in one day ... and then what?`
`18:33.16`	`NeoTron`	`Amarande: it is if you're a ret or prot pally, hunter or a enhance shaman :P`
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`18:34.47`	`Amarande`	`Neo: warlock`
`18:35.13`	`Amarande`	`hmm.`
`18:35.17`	`Amarande`	`heroic HoS, tank has 20k HP`
`18:35.20`	`NeoTron`	`then it's fine really`
`18:35.22`	`Amarande`	`wonder if I'm about to see fail`
`18:35.26`	`NeoTron`	`hmm`
`18:35.36`	`NeoTron`	`I got to level 80 and I had over 20k HP w/o any instance gear`
`18:35.54`	`NeoTron`	`and I was forced to tank heroics against my will!`
`18:36.05`	`NeoTron`	`basically "oh you can do it, we'll keep you up" and for the most part it worked`
`18:37.29`	`NeoTron`	`it's still mind boggling to me to see healers sitting well over 20000 mana`
`18:37.40`	`Lopeppeppy`	`cry`
`18:38.07`	`ZorbaTHut`	`amarande, depends on the healer and the skill of them both`
`18:38.28`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I've tanked most heroics at around 21k (seriously, I'd really like some good drops, thanks)`
`18:38.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`NeoTron: yeah, i'd kinda like to see my mana pool sitting in full naxx-25 gear.. it's at ~23k raid buffed with naxx-10 gear now`
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`18:47.17`	`Amarande`	`btw, any word yet on what the Ulduar raid wing will be called?`
`18:47.55`	`NeoTron`	`Halls of the Serpentshrine Black Hyjal Eye`
`18:48.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`Ulduar`
`18:48.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`because... Halls of Stone & shit already is Ulduar`
`18:49.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`(at least that's what seems obvious)`
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`18:50.04`	`NeoTron`	`I'd guess Ulduar myself`
`18:50.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`NeoTron: pfft, where'd you get a crazy idea like that, i mean. it's not like it's -labeled- on the map or anything`
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`18:52.02`	`NeoTron`	`NightHawkTheSane: ofc nameof the complex doesn't necessarily reflect the name of the instance I guess but..`
`18:52.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`true, although that was the case for BT.`
`18:52.44`	`kamdis`	`Titan something, in Ulduar I think`
`18:53.06`	`kamdis`	`in a joke thread about the naxx door doodad ghostcrawler posted, "It's also possible we will add a DOODAD_ULR_DOOR_TITAN02_PLOX in Ulduar so stay tuned."`
`18:53.09`	`kamdis`	`meh`
`18:53.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`and sunwell, and gruul's..`
`18:54.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`kamdis: i think that, at best, it'd be indicating there might be a titan wing/section/level/what-have-you within ulduar.`
`18:55.08`	`kamdis`	`Aye`
`18:55.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but thats also probably reading way too far into a joke`
`18:55.41`	`kamdis`	`but it's something though it could be completely made up given the nature of the thread`
`18:58.33`	`jaxdahl`	`anyone have a snippet of a raw malygos combat log with wyrmrest skytalons?`
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`19:00.17`	`durcyn`	`sure, jax, what are you looking for specifically?`
`19:01.08`	`jaxdahl`	`i'm trying to explain to someone why you can't match up a drake with an owner`
`19:01.17`	`jaxdahl`	`basically a flame spike or engulf in flames line`
`19:01.52`	`jaxdahl`	`ie, can't do it purely from combat log info. i know you can do it in-game but after the fact you can't do it unless you export the in-game info on the fly for later matching up`
`19:02.39`	`selckin`	`1/5 20:52:08.812 SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0xF1500075D1000418,"Wyrmrest Skytalon",0x1114,0xF1300070BB0002B4,"Malygos",0x10a48,56092,"Engulf in Flames",0x4,14916,0,4,3300,0,0,nil,nil,nil`
`19:02.41`	`selckin`	`1/5 20:52:08.703 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF1500075D1000420,"Wyrmrest Skytalon",0x1114,0xF1300070BB0002B4,"Malygos",0x10a48,56092,"Engulf in Flames",0x4`
`19:02.41`	`jaxdahl`	`durcyn, oh and if you could get a line of some other type of real pet damage so i can show them how they differ`
`19:04.19`	`jaxdahl`	`thanks selckin`
`19:05.00`	`durcyn`	`not sure what you mean by real pet damage, the skytalons do have proper GUIDs and all`
`19:05.17`	`jaxdahl`	`durcyn, hunter's pet for example`
`19:05.22`	`durcyn`	`yes, i know`
`19:05.37`	`selckin`	`you can only link those because you have the pet summon spells/events`
`19:05.38`	`durcyn`	`skytalons appear in the copmbat log just the same as hunter, warlock, and death knight pets, is what i mean`
`19:05.43`	`durcyn`	`1/7 21:07:31.493 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF14038BE6500011D,"Droozhem",0x1111,0xF1300070BB000704,"Malygos",0x10a48,54053,"Shadow Bite",0x20,1067,0,32,0,0,0,1,nil,nil`
`19:05.53`	`durcyn`	`correct.`
`19:05.59`	`selckin`	`malygos pets just appear, so you can't link`
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`19:06.32`	`durcyn`	`you're trying to determine what exactly?`
`19:06.58`	`durcyn`	`if it's power surge targets, right now that's synced from the boss emote by most boss mods`
`19:07.15`	`jaxdahl`	`durcyn, recount can match up drake damage with an owner`
`19:07.23`	`jaxdahl`	`i assume that's done by using unit functions`
`19:07.34`	`durcyn`	`only because it has access to the unit API in real time`
`19:07.45`	`durcyn`	`there is no association of skytalons to raid members in the combat log, no`
`19:08.00`	`durcyn`	`it's the same problem that log parsers have with death knight ghouls`
`19:08.01`	`selckin`	`i have some PERIODIC_DAMAGE on "englush in flames" spells, but not enough to acount for all damage, its wierd`
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`19:08.16`	`selckin`	`(on the player not mount)`
`19:08.19`	`jaxdahl`	`selckin, if a drake dies`
`19:08.20`	`foxlit`	`UnitGUID("raidpet1") not good enough?`
`19:08.24`	`jaxdahl`	`selckin, that could cause it`
`19:08.37`	`jaxdahl`	`flame spike does damage too`
`19:08.57`	`durcyn`	`foxlit: realtime isn't the issue, there's no SPELL_SUMMON in the combatlog`
`19:09.12`	`jaxdahl`	`foxlit, the issue is out-of-game combat log parsing`
`19:09.19`	`durcyn`	`and even if there was, i don't recall SPELL_SUMMON differentiating between units with the same name`
`19:09.20`	`foxlit`	`Ah, one that I don't care about :)`
`19:09.22`	`jaxdahl`	`WWS, statiscl, etc`
`19:10.04`	`jaxdahl`	`they should give the drakes personal names then`
`19:10.19`	`jaxdahl`	`Kaminahastrasza`
`19:10.23`	`durcyn`	`the vehicles should just assume the player's name`
`19:10.29`	`jaxdahl`	`Arielastrasza`
`19:10.29`	`nevcairiel`	`I doubt they care that much about that`
`19:10.34`	`jaxdahl`	`Borialeastrasza`
`19:10.46`	`jaxdahl`	`Coniastrasza`
`19:12.01`	`selckin`	`if you ever make an addon to track that and dump to log i'm intersted :\`
`19:12.47`	`Gnarfoz`	`track what`
`19:13.16`	`jaxdahl`	`i might just mod recount so i can dump drake info separately`
`19:13.41`	`Amarande`	`wow, I learned a new warlock trick`
`19:13.58`	`Amarande`	`apparently, you can summon yourself, hearth, repair, and accept the summon to get back into the instance`
`19:14.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`welcome to 2004 :O`
`19:14.23`	`nevcairiel`	`indeed`
`19:14.28`	`nevcairiel`	`except the "in instance" part`
`19:14.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`oh wait, locks weren't cool then, just awesome. :>`
`19:14.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`that worked back then...`
`19:14.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`that was disabled afterwards`
`19:15.01`	`nevcairiel`	`meh i dont remember when exactly it disappeared`
`19:15.51`	`selckin`	`yeah i remember doing that aswel`
`19:15.53`	`zenzelezz`	`Sartharion +3 downed again; nice to pass the "can we do it again?" test`
`19:16.03`	`selckin`	`now its just ppl yelling on vent to mount up a mammoth`
`19:16.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`I don't recall exactly, either, but I was always quick to amend people who said "finally, locks can now port accross instance borders" with "... again"`
`19:16.06`	`selckin`	`repairs bot have died too :(`
`19:16.20`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah, mammoths are the new repair bots`
`19:16.57`	`selckin`	`we have like 50 rotting in guild bank :\`
`19:17.36`	`jaxdahl`	`zenzelezz, 10 or 25`
`19:17.52`	`zenzelezz`	`25. Haven't tried 10 in a while, we almost got second drake down there on our best go`
`19:18.15`	`selckin`	`took us 2 days of attempts todo 10man, after 3 days on 25`
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`19:19.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Just tape my internet connection down more tightly....`
`19:25.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`o_0 http://www.flickr.com/photos/21474400@N04/2083342822/in/set-72157603359146328/`
`19:27.55`	`nevcairiel`	`thats so awesome`
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`19:30.22`	`\|pez\|`	`NightHawkTheSane: I wouldn't eat it :o`
`19:31.24`	`\|pez\|`	`.. this is also a cake - http://www.mikesamazingcakes.com/upload/halo.JPG`
`19:31.27`	`\|pez\|`	`same guy who made it`
`19:35.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`http://kerneltrap.org/node/14763`
`19:35.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Good luck.`
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`19:40.59`	`Amarande`	`gah`
`19:41.05`	`Amarande`	`we keep wiping on the brann bronzebeard event`
`19:41.23`	`jaxdahl`	`do you have a 2nd tank type class?`
`19:41.53`	`jaxdahl`	`i find it useful to tell the druid or plate wearer to slap some tank gear on and go to town`
`19:43.37`	`Amarande`	`we have a warlock, a warrior, a DK, and two druids, and we're STILL wiping`
`19:43.47`	`Amarande`	`that was the second wipe`
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`19:48.29`	`jaxdahl`	`6.1 earthquake 20 miles northwest of san jose, costa rica`
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`19:54.23`	`stew_a`	`OnKeyDown events - anyone know if the keynames are localised or not? (Escape/LCtrl/space etc)`
`19:54.28`	`jaxdahl`	`with a warrior and dk there shouldn't be any issues picking up adds`
`19:54.31`	`foxlit`	`jaxdahl: personally, having two tanks on that would be my nightmare`
`19:54.50`	`foxlit`	`Everything is a DPS show nowadays -- either things die fast enough, or they eat me and we wipe`
`19:54.52`	`Amarande`	`glah, wiped again`
`19:55.07`	`jaxdahl`	`are people getting hit by the orb?`
`19:55.20`	`foxlit`	`_how_ are you actually wiping?`
`19:55.31`	`Amarande`	`the good news is we get kirin tor rep for every kill every attempt`
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`19:55.38`	`Amarande`	`foxlit: getting overwhelmed during Sanitization Phase`
`19:55.43`	`Amarande`	`healer ends up OOM`
`19:55.46`	`jaxdahl`	`what phase is that?`
`19:55.46`	`foxlit`	`So whack your DPS`
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`19:56.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Hmm. If I has a DK, what spec does I want him to be?`
`19:56.16`	`jaxdahl`	`Lopeppeppy, leveling?`
`19:56.25`	`foxlit`	`Lopeppeppy: anything you want it to be`
`19:56.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`jaxdahl, forever and ever!`
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`19:56.48`	`alestane`	`I thought you were looking at blood?`
`19:56.48`	`foxlit`	`There's plenty of vocal death knights saying that their spec is the happiest ever.`
`19:57.01`	`jaxdahl`	`i have had fun playing all 3 trees`
`19:57.03`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I always look at blood. hums happily`
`19:57.09`	`durcyn`	`unholy dual wield seems to be top dps lately`
`19:57.34`	`jaxdahl`	`unholy tank is top dps on sartharion ;)`
`19:57.34`	`alestane`	`Kat and Allana are going deep frost, and I'm Unholy over blood, so I'd be interested in hearing what someone thinks of deep Blood.`
`19:57.52`	`p3lim`	`Cairenn\|afk: you here?`
`19:58.05`	`Amarande`	`jaxdahl: Halls of Stone, Brann Bronzebeard event`
`19:58.18`	`jaxdahl`	`Amarande, yes i know the fight`
`19:58.27`	`jaxdahl`	`i don't know what you mean by 'sanitization phase'`
`19:58.50`	`foxlit`	`jaxdahl: it's one of the shouts.`
`19:58.58`	`jaxdahl`	`2nd or 3rd face?`
`19:59.09`	`foxlit`	`Does it really matter?`
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`19:59.31`	`jaxdahl`	`yes? it'd give me a better clue as to what is killing them`
`19:59.44`	`jaxdahl`	`or causing them to take too much damage`
`19:59.48`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`p3lim: I am, what's up?`
`19:59.55`	`jaxdahl`	`people not moving away from orbs, or not getting out of the lazers?`
`20:00.31`	`foxlit`	`(a) there are orbs? (b) lasers are just plain fatal, wouldn't drain the healer's mana.`
`20:00.53`	`jaxdahl`	`a) orbs form from the second face`
`20:01.15`	`jaxdahl`	`b) lasers don't oneshot you but you take a heavy dot if you stand in them`
`20:01.29`	`Thrae`	`So, anyone beat Arthas yet?`
`20:02.01`	`foxlit`	`I haven't yet had time to stare at faces during this.`
`20:02.22`	`foxlit`	`So I'm blissfully unaware of who does what. There's really only one trick worth following in my book: don't stand in crap.`
`20:02.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I will try deep blood then. I'm going to have to read up on the class, it's not very intuitive to me at all, from the one I've leveled to 58.`
`20:02.55`	`foxlit`	`The way I understand it, the influx of adds simply does not die fast enough, causing a lot of sustained damage on the MT, and eventually becomes too much to heal.`
`20:04.33`	`jaxdahl`	`adds don't really do _that_ much damage compared to the environmental things`
`20:04.57`	`Amarande`	`yeah, it's Brann who instagibs if you're near him when a laser hits you, you just take damage`
`20:05.21`	`foxlit`	`jaxdahl: again, depends on whether they die on schedule`
`20:05.22`	`alestane`	`Lopeppeppy: I've found CoolFloat to be both a godsend and rather distracting when playing a DK, as it's constantly reminding me that my various abilities are available as they come off cooldown. Also, when in doubt, hit Death Coil.`
`20:06.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Coolfloats.`
`20:06.23`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'll ask you this again in game, you know.`
`20:06.34`	`alestane`	`It's one of mine, easy to find on WoWI.`
`20:06.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, that might be why you recommend it, huh? :P`
`20:06.50`	`Amarande`	`this time we almost had it, but adds got through to brann`
`20:06.54`	`Amarande`	`at least we didn't die this time`
`20:07.06`	`alestane`	`That's why I use it, anyway. I recommend it because I can account for my experience of it.`
`20:07.27`	`Amarande`	`thinking I should use only SoC whenever there's more than one`
`20:07.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I need to download the new Cherry Lite compilation and frog around with that on my desktop. :)`
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`20:10.46`	`jaxdahl`	`i fight on the right side of the stairs, facing out the room, so the casters are near me and i don't have to pull them to me`
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`20:13.57`	`Amarande`	`and now we're back to wiping`
`20:17.22`	`Amarande`	`someone must be standing in fire ... :\|`
`20:19.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Do not stand in poo, of whatever color or style it is. shrug That's the BC lesson, learn it gooood.`
`20:19.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Anyway, TTFN. My eyes hurt, time to not compute any more.`
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`20:19.49`	`mikma`	`how can i turn value XX.YYYYYY into XX.Y ?`
`20:20.17`	`mikma`	`floor(value) makes it XX :I`
`20:20.33`	`Amarande`	`"if it glows and isn't ours, don't stand in it"`
`20:20.49`	`Amarande`	`mikma: (floor(10*value))/10?`
`20:21.38`	`Olorin`	`string.format("%.1f", <value>)`
`20:21.48`	`mikma`	`olorin: thank you :)`
`20:21.49`	`NeoTron`	`Amarande: what class is your tank?`
`20:22.19`	`ZorbaTHut`	`stupid physical-immune monsters`
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`20:24.07`	`alestane`	`If you actually want to round to the nearest tenth, you can do "x - x % 0.1" or "math.floor(X * 10) / 10". If you just want to display the value with one significant decimal, as Olorin said.`
`20:25.34`	`Amarande`	`Neo: warrior`
`20:25.49`	`mikma`	`ok another question. i need a good word for meaning "waiting until someone dies" :D`
`20:26.11`	`mikma`	`i was thinking about "Apocalypse" but that's.. meh, no.`
`20:26.29`	`durcyn`	`call it Vulture`
`20:26.36`	`mikma`	`hahaa`
`20:26.38`	`mikma`	`perfect.`
`20:27.08`	`alestane`	`I would say, Omen, but that's well-taken already.`
`20:27.18`	`ZorbaTHut`	`Mortician? :)`
`20:28.23`	`mikma`	`that's cool too :D`
`20:28.35`	`mikma`	`this is for addon that shows the estimation when mob will die in LDB`
`20:28.48`	`mikma`	`LootWhore lol`
`20:29.06`	`durcyn`	`already exists >_<`
`20:29.11`	`mikma`	`Vulture is the best one yet.`
`20:29.24`	`durcyn`	`there's an LDB port of TimeToDie on wowace at least`
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`20:31.14`	`mikma`	`apparently`
`20:31.19`	`mikma`	`i'll check how it works`
`20:31.24`	`ZorbaTHut`	`there's an insurance-related term for the guy whose job it is to determine when someone is likely to die`
`20:31.27`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I don't remember what it is though`
`20:32.03`	`Gr3Ger`	`Heya! Anyone knows if there's an equivalent of the macro command "/target <unitname>" to use in an addon? or is there any way to execute such lines of code through the addon?`
`20:33.02`	`Hirsute`	`I don't think addons are allowed to target things.`
`20:33.06`	`mikma`	`gr3ger: afaik, protected and cant be used within addons.`
`20:33.27`	`Gr3Ger`	`as I suspected then :/ Damn, there goes my brilliant idea XD`
`20:33.40`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I seem to recall someone mentioning that it's possible to rig an addon so you can push a button and it targets (something)`
`20:33.52`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I don't know if you have to determine (something) while out of combat or not`
`20:33.58`	`mikma`	`yeah`
`20:34.04`	`mikma`	`TargetBlock, I coded it lul`
`20:34.12`	`mikma`	`it's in wowinterface.com`
`20:35.43`	`ZorbaTHut`	`AHA. Underwriter.`
`20:35.55`	`ZorbaTHut`	`http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos026.htm`
`20:36.02`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I think it's an awesome name but it may be a little too obscure.`
`20:37.01`	`Amarande`	`well, looks like we gave up`
`20:37.01`	`NeoTron`	`your name reminded me that I need to let Mikord know that it's very annoying when MSBT tells me that rune strike is available 4711 times in a row while aoe tanking`
`20:38.11`	`kamdis`	`or dual wielding - ugh`
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`21:00.00`	`foxlit`	`"Priest, Druid, Paladin, Paladin: LF healer!"`
`21:02.31`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`21:03.56`	`NeoTron`	`good times`
`21:04.02`	`Olorin`	`Does anyone have a fairly basic Lua only example of a scrollframe?`
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`21:18.21`	`ZorbaTHut`	`foxlit, I've got a screenshot somewhere of a group consisting of warrior, paladin, druid, and death knight, looking for a tank`
`21:20.41`	`mikma`	`durcyn: now i need the description for Vulture :D`
`21:21.20`	`mikma`	`"Calmly waiting for the target to pass away?"`
`21:21.54`	`Cidan`	`Olorin: I highly suggest no matter which way you go about it, you make a framework for scrollframes and abstract the shit out of them`
`21:21.58`	`Cidan`	`They are not fun to work with.`
`21:23.50`	`alestane`	`I don't find them that much of a pain, but I don't usually work with the ones that need enough buttons to warrant an offset approach.`
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`21:37.51`	`Olorin`	`sno they arnt lol`
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`21:39.29`	`Tekkub`	`Arrowmaster, you suck... after I went to bed last night I realized..... the whole tant thing you were bitching about last night? That was teknicolor`
`21:39.43`	`Tekkub`	`tekticles is my font addon, and has NEVER tainted :P`
`21:39.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh`
`21:40.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont actually use either`
`21:40.16`	`Tekkub`	`see? bitch`
`21:40.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`whatever, going back to fable2`
`21:41.40`	`Tekkub`	`don't taint it`
`21:42.05`	`AbsolutRayne_`	`I love the Bigredkitty Videos`
`21:42.24`	`AbsolutRayne_`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyAzOJba3fc Heres the new one`
`21:43.10`	`Olorin`	`Ciden, sorry for lack of reply was helping with ring of blood quest lol, yes ive built the framework but im not certain how to make the ScrollChild part in lua , i have the "SCROLLFRAME" frame but not certain how to assign the child to the scrollframe in lua , example i have is xml and i really havnt touched the xml`
`21:45.01`	`Tekkub`	`I never got BRK, even when I played my huntard`
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`21:50.57`	`jnwhiteh`	`has there been any good UI stuff/changes posted in the past two weeks?`
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`21:53.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`don't think anything particularily outstanding happened. ^^`
`21:55.08`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`hrm`
`21:55.11`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I think my blackberry just crashed`
`21:55.13`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`whee`
`21:55.40`	`jnwhiteh`	`ah the unit token stuff, good to know.`
`22:07.11`	`Cidan`	`Shirik: help, I want to stab my friend`
`22:07.35`	`Cidan`	`Why is it no one on this God forsaken planet`
`22:07.42`	`Cidan`	`understands anything about probability?`
`22:09.49`	`Tekkub`	`because stats is soooooooo boring`
`22:10.37`	`Cidan`	`Okay, so my friend is sitting here and telling me that`
`22:10.59`	`Cidan`	`+1% to hit, equals +1 to crit, in terms of that hit is "reassigned" to crit`
`22:11.30`	`kamdis`	`wait, what?`
`22:11.35`	`Cidan`	`right`
`22:11.37`	`Tekkub`	`le sigh`
`22:11.41`	`Cidan`	`trying my best not to stab him`
`22:11.50`	`kamdis`	`point him to wowwiki?`
`22:11.55`	`Tekkub`	`I think he's thinking +hit and +crit are the same additional damage`
`22:11.57`	`Cidan`	`he says he got it off wowwiki`
`22:12.03`	`Tekkub`	`in general`
`22:12.03`	`Cidan`	`he's thinking that too`
`22:12.07`	`Cidan`	`which is not true either`
`22:12.10`	`alestane`	`I understand very little theorycraft, but I'm pretty sure the stats don't cascade that way.`
`22:12.15`	`Tekkub`	`I know, it's diff for casters`
`22:12.28`	`Cidan`	`it's different simple due to statistical probability`
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`22:13.45`	`Tekkub`	`you're addin =1% chance to deal damage, vs +1% change to do double damage instead of normal... i.e. the net difference in damage is basically the same`
`22:13.57`	`Cidan`	`no, no no no!`
`22:13.59`	`Cidan`	`no!`
`22:14.02`	`Cidan`	`That's wrong!`
`22:14.07`	`Tekkub`	`but I also understand that's a rough generalization`
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`22:24.32`	`alestane`	`Cidan: I think he's referring to this line off of wowwiki: " What's better, +to hit or +crit? In principle they are equal. ..."`
`22:24.57`	`Cidan`	`Yeah, I realized that`
`22:25.20`	`Cidan`	`and whoever wrote that, should be shot for polluting the minds of people`
`22:26.12`	`nevcairiel`	`its a wiki`
`22:26.13`	`nevcairiel`	`go edit`
`22:26.34`	`Cidan`	`No, no, I think it's best at this point to just leave it. Just, it's not worth drawing fire for.`
`22:26.56`	`nevcairiel`	`btw, is your friend at least a rogue who needs a ton of hit, and shifting hit towards the right direction? =P`
`22:26.58`	`Cidan`	`Because some dumb ass is going to go NO UR WRONG JESUS LOOK AT TEH MATH I LERNED IN MY HIGH SCHOOL CALC CLASS LOLOL`
`22:27.06`	`Cidan`	`Yes, he is, thankfully.`
`22:27.50`	`Shirik`	`LOLOL HIGH SCHOOL CALC I TOOKED CALC IN MIDDLE SCHOOL U SUX`
`22:27.56`	`Cidan`	`rofl`
`22:28.05`	`nevcairiel`	`~failrik`
`22:28.06`	`purl`	`FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!`
`22:28.40`	`cog\|work`	`http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/susan_savage_rumbaugh_on_apes_that_write.html`
`22:29.03`	`Tekkub`	`Cidan, unless your friend is doing the math with you, just give him generalizations`
`22:29.28`	`Tekkub`	`and the generalization is, they're basically the same, but given a choice between the two, take +hit unless you're hit-capped`
`22:29.37`	`alestane`	`About how long is a profession link?`
`22:29.47`	`nevcairiel`	`which profession?`
`22:29.48`	`nevcairiel`	`;)`
`22:30.25`	`nevcairiel`	`length differs based on number of recipes`
`22:30.31`	`alestane`	`Is that the only factor, and about how widely does it very?`
`22:31.01`	`alestane`	`vary*`
`22:31.36`	`Amarande`	`good grief, how did I end up with 48mp5 on a warlock`
`22:31.45`	`alestane`	`I'm just trying to give someone a ballpark.`
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`22:32.06`	`nevcairiel`	`leatherworking seems to be the longest`
`22:32.20`	`alestane`	`Amarande: Saves on life tapping...although I also stopped stacking ti deliberately months and months ago.`
`22:32.31`	`Dashkal`	`ok, I'm gonna catch shit for this but... (reads bit on attack table) why is hit better when crits are 200% damage?`
`22:33.26`	`Tekkub`	`+crit is just a change of =100% damage`
`22:34.46`	`Dashkal`	`I'm only asking cause I'd like to understand. Replacing a chance for 100% with a chance for 200% seems the same to me as replacing a chance for 0% with 100%`
`22:34.48`	`Tekkub`	`Cidan, say your shit or shut up, just saying "it's wrong it's wrong" does nothing useful for proving your point`
`22:35.10`	`Tekkub`	`+hit factors into other shit, and for casters it's not the same as melee`
`22:35.14`	`Diao`	`hit increases chances for stuff to proc since stuff can't proc on a miss`
`22:35.21`	`Dashkal`	`I was under the impression that +hit (or more accurately, -miss) gave the % to normal hit`
`22:35.26`	`Diao`	`more procs = more dps`
`22:35.46`	`Cidan`	`Tekkub: Dear lord you take things personally.`
`22:35.52`	`Dashkal`	`Diao: ahh, I wasn't accounting for procs, that helps`
`22:36.09`	`Tekkub`	`Cidan, it's not personal, all you've said this whole time is "it's wrong" and not WHY`
`22:36.22`	`Diao`	`although many classes have stuff that procs on crit too, but you'll never get your crit high enough to guarantee a crit without special abilities like combustion, while you can hit cap`
`22:36.46`	`Amarande`	`dang, what is with the lack of good helms in WotLK?`
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`22:36.58`	`Amarande`	`seems like you pretty much use your good 70 helm till you start raiding`
`22:37.06`	`Tekkub`	`hit cap's a nice target for people too, they like to know "I need x of stat y"`
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`22:37.36`	`Pytlask`	`Cidan: I may be a bit late, but your friend may have seen it a while ago. Back in the day, once you got to the hit cap, any more +hit gear actually added to crit.`
`22:37.55`	`Pytlask`	`This was up until something like patch 1.2`
`22:38.31`	`Pytlask`	`Though it could well be that he is just misunderstanding statistics as well :P`
`22:39.03`	`Cidan`	`in raw statistical terms, say we have 50% to hit, 0 crit. That is to say, half of all attacks land. Now, from here, would you rather have 50% crit or 50% hit? 50% hit increases damage done by a full 100% (mitigation aside), however +50 crit would NOT do the same. The probability in this case for crit can -not- be done in some sort of linear interpolation because it's just that, probability`
`22:39.54`	`Tekkub`	`why would probability not apply to hit as well then?`
`22:39.54`	`Cidan`	`To messure which would be better, you would have to look at your statistic for both hit and crit, where you are now, and then graph the probability and see which is higher`
`22:40.09`	`Cidan`	`because hit would have been at the end point (100%)`
`22:40.14`	`Diao`	`the probability does apply until you reach 100%`
`22:40.16`	`Cidan`	`where crit would have been at the mid point (50%)`
`22:40.19`	`Diao`	`which everyone can reach`
`22:40.25`	`Diao`	`then since you never miss, it's a guarantee`
`22:40.25`	`foxlit`	`50% hit + 50% hit = 100% hit; 50% hit + 50% crit = 50% crit = 100% hit`
`22:40.26`	`Pytlask`	`Cidan: no, I mean it really added to crit. It actually did something like: if(hitChance > 100) then critChance = critChance + (hitChance-100) end`
`22:41.02`	`Cidan`	`foxlit: No, 50% hit + 50% crit != 100% hit`
`22:41.03`	`Cidan`	`And this`
`22:41.04`	`Cidan`	`THIS`
`22:41.12`	`Cidan`	`Is the point my friend and I arguing`
`22:41.15`	`foxlit`	`Technically, it's = 50% crit.`
`22:41.23`	`Diao`	`statistically hit and crit are exactly the same with infinite sample size`
`22:41.30`	`Diao`	`discounting procs`
`22:41.32`	`Diao`	`and talents`
`22:41.33`	`ZorbaTHut`	`as I understand it, "hit" is really "-miss"`
`22:41.36`	`Tekkub`	`Cidan, are you arguing a melee hit table, or a spell hit table?`
`22:41.41`	`Tekkub`	`cause the are different`
`22:42.04`	`Cidan`	`neither at this point, right now we abstracted to statistics`
`22:42.16`	`ZorbaTHut`	`the conversation doesn't make sense with statistics alone`
`22:42.22`	`ZorbaTHut`	`you have to define how the various numbers interact`
`22:42.28`	`Amarande`	`hmm`
`22:42.29`	`Tekkub`	`exactly`
`22:42.35`	`Cidan`	`No, I agree, but we're trying to resolve this first`
`22:42.35`	`Amarande`	`so to effectively upgrade from my hood of oblivion`
`22:42.53`	`ZorbaTHut`	`in fact, I could easily invent a system where 50% crit was strictly superior to 50% hit :)`
`22:42.54`	`Cidan`	`Amarande: Naxx, xD`
`22:42.55`	`Amarande`	`I have to either keep running heroic CoS or Oculus every day till the one from there drops, or do a full naxx clear? :\|`
`22:43.09`	`Amarande`	`Cidan: am I even geared enough to consider Naxx?`
`22:43.17`	`Cidan`	`Amarande: I don't know?`
`22:43.18`	`Amarande`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Alvaerin`
`22:43.41`	`Diao`	`you can do naxx in full greens`
`22:44.02`	`Diao`	`we took a druid who literally dinged 80 5 minutes before we started raid to a 25 man naxx and did fine`
`22:44.03`	`ZorbaTHut`	`side note: hahahah, best guild ad ever`
`22:44.15`	`Amarande`	`good grief`
`22:44.21`	`Diao`	`naxx is a joke`
`22:44.22`	`ZorbaTHut`	`"We are an awesome guild! We have over 180 members, with over 2 guild tabs! Lots of high levels, only lv10+ invited!"`
`22:44.22`	`Diao`	`lol`
`22:44.24`	`Amarande`	`how is it that it's easier to get into a raid than a heroic sometimes? heh`
`22:44.41`	`Cidan`	`because raids have more people to pick up the slack`
`22:44.53`	`Diao`	`also, heroics are a joke`
`22:44.58`	`Amarande`	`yeah, I think I may have been the weakest link in heroic HoS when we couldn't manage the event :\|`
`22:45.04`	`Amarande`	`I was only managing about 1300-1500 dps`
`22:45.14`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I had a group where we had to try the event six times`
`22:45.17`	`ZorbaTHut`	`we kept wiping on the very last wave :(`
`22:45.18`	`Diao`	`that's fine for H HoS`
`22:45.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`"with over 2 guild tabs"..because it's so hard to insert a 3`
`22:45.25`	`Diao`	`as long as your tank/healer are decently geared`
`22:45.26`	`Cidan`	`one healer not doing -quite- as well as the others, may or may not kill a naxx group; your healer doing not so well in a heroic will kill you, =D`
`22:45.28`	`Amarande`	`Zorba: that's the wave that's hard`
`22:45.30`	`ZorbaTHut`	`thunder, I also like "high levels, 10+"`
`22:45.39`	`Diao`	`i tanked heroics when i was 50 def under cap`
`22:45.41`	`Amarande`	`it reminds me of the escort in RFD, actually`
`22:45.46`	`Diao`	`and did fine lol`
`22:45.48`	`ZorbaTHut`	`amarande, I don't mean the last segment, I mean, literally, the last group of monsters`
`22:45.48`	`Amarande`	`at least, the way the escort in RFD was -supposed- to be`
`22:46.08`	`Amarande`	`Like I've said many times, RFD's escort became a lot harder, almost impractically so, with 2.3 patch`
`22:46.49`	`Amarande`	`I've only ever managed that (the RFD one) once, and that was with us wiping at the very end and having to run back in to turn in`
`22:50.15`	`ZorbaTHut`	`someday I really need to rig up a new-version-posting script`
`22:50.31`	`Amarande`	`Basically the reason I think the RFD one got harder is simple:`
`22:50.48`	`Amarande`	`It's a major endurance battle, and they moved that instance's level so it goes from just above tanks having plate, to just below tanks having plate`
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`23:42.36`	`Duman`	`hmm`
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`23:49.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`~quiet`
`23:49.50`	`purl`	`ACTION ok, ok, I will be quiet. When you start making sense, that is.`
`23:50.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`uhhh...ouch`
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`23:59.07`	`cog\|work`	`chirpchirp....chirpchirp...`
`23:59.20`	`Duman`	`hola`
`23:59.30`	`Duman`	`damn crickets and tumbleweeds`
`23:59.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`~tumbleweed`
`23:59.59`	`purl`	`ACTION rolls across the empty channel to the theme of The Good, The Bad & The Ugly.`

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