IRC log for #wowuidev on 20090102

00:00.11Fisker-I thought it might be a mechanic to force us in combat with the disciples/eggs
00:01.53*** join/#wowuidev quoin (n=quoin@219-90-160-179.ip.adam.com.au)
00:03.29ScytheBlade1nah
00:03.33ScytheBlade1Drakes need to die first
00:03.39ScytheBlade1Just kill them as they land
00:03.49ScytheBlade1The real problem zones are when the first and second drakes are down
00:03.59ScytheBlade1-25% HP and +100% fire damage from flame breath
00:04.05ScytheBlade1Your MT has a very decent chance of being oneshot
00:04.23ScytheBlade1We solved that with a DK tank, his two magic reducing abilities
00:04.31ScytheBlade1And then a Guardian Spirit when all of his CDs were down
00:06.19Fisker-:E
00:06.27ScytheBlade1("down" as in alive at the same time)
00:06.50Fisker-heard you can pretty much nuke the first one before the second one arrives though
00:06.58ScytheBlade1That's the goal
00:07.09ScytheBlade1It requires an absurd amount of gear to pull that off though
00:07.19ScytheBlade1Doable sure, but not by many atm
00:07.39ScytheBlade1We popped Heroism after the first lava wave and still had maybe 10s where both drakes were down
00:07.43ScytheBlade1Probably upwards of 15s
00:08.01ScytheBlade1And you saw the link to the logs I'd assume
00:08.05ScytheBlade1Our DPS was not slacking
00:11.05Fisker-of course they were!
00:11.14Fisker-Rogues not doing 9k dps = slack
00:11.17ScytheBlade1lol
00:11.19ScytheBlade1sec
00:11.37ScytheBlade1http://nc.averageurl.com/raids/25/sws-thaddius-1230723680/index.html
00:11.48ScytheBlade110,647 DPS out of one rogue there
00:12.13ZyndromeHAT "working as intended"
00:12.20ScytheBlade1looooooooooool
00:12.29ScytheBlade1That's totally getting fixed 3.0.8
00:12.32ScytheBlade1If it isn't I'll be in shock
00:12.37ScytheBlade1They all hate that spec too
00:12.41ScytheBlade1It's mindless and boring
00:13.24Fisker-I've seen rogues pull 9k dps on patchwerk
00:13.28Aiianehas rogue dps ever not been boring?
00:13.32Fisker-So should be possible to do like double that on thaddius
00:13.49ScytheBlade1I'd be really curious to see the stats on that
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00:15.40Fisker-ranked fight on WWS as far as i recall
00:15.57ScytheBlade1link?
00:16.25Fisker-http://wowwebstats.com/brkgepus2i5z3?s=48466-77176
00:17.36SyzgynI like my 16k deep wounds on malygos :)
00:17.47ScytheBlade1That's one stupid crazy stacked raid
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00:18.07ScytheBlade1And geared, wow
00:18.23Fisker-can't find them doing thaddius though :E
00:18.57Fisker-only 2 tanks as well
00:18.59Fisker-that's odd
00:19.11ScytheBlade1Stacked like no other
00:19.38Syzgynholy crap
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00:19.56ShirikI was #1 in DPS once
00:19.58Shirikas a holy priest
00:20.01Shirikaccording to WWS
00:20.08ShirikPatchwerk actually, iirc
00:20.17Syzgynheh
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00:31.28Temah
00:31.30TemI
00:31.33TemI want a shamwow
00:31.39Temdoes that make me a bad person?
00:32.53Thunder_Childno, your just a bad person naturally
00:33.03SyzgynWhats a shamwow?
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00:33.59TemSyzgyn, http://tinyurl.com/5p75cy
00:34.22Dewinso... yay for being involved in a 3-car accident with someone who is driving without insurance and a suspended license. >.>
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00:34.59Syzgynexciting!
00:36.03Tem"I dunno it sells itself"
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01:05.27Mike-N-Go~seen Saeris
01:05.28purlsaeris <n=Miranda@dsl-251-36.dynamic-dsl.frii.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 7d 14h 57m 55s ago, saying: 'Nevermind, I see it now, down at line 720-something.'.
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02:11.36cbreaknaxx 10 with 8 people is hard
02:11.47cbreakI still don't get how we killed the four horsemen...
02:12.14sacarascwith extreme skill?
02:12.39cbreakdon't know.
02:12.48cbreakI mostly spammed frostbolt. like on any boss.
02:13.16sacarascand what makes that really amazing is that you're a warrior!
02:13.34cbreakactually... no. Just a tank spec mage :)
02:15.39sacarascwould be better if you were a warrior doing that
02:18.43Zyndromeheh, did 8-man Naxx and Malygos today, I found it very easy ... hell, would've even got Undying if 2 people didn't have such desire to die :C
02:19.19cbreakit took us over 5 hours to get to kel
02:19.29cbreak(we wiped a few times on the four horsemen and saph)
02:19.38foxlitIt should take...
02:19.45foxlitOVER NINE THOUSAND MINUTES.
02:19.54cbreakthat's over a day
02:20.00cbreakno...
02:20.03cbreakbut it's too long
02:20.03ZyndromeShirik , like half the server right? :p
02:20.05cbreakor yes?
02:20.08Shirikyes :(
02:20.14Shirikwhich is why I still ride my blizzard bear
02:20.37cbreakmy newest mount acquisition is an oversized mamooth
02:20.39Zyndromewtb Bind of Account zul aman bear
02:20.41Zyndrome;_;
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02:20.44cbreakway too expensive
02:20.45Zyndromeon*
02:20.58Shirikwe bought one mammoth for the guild
02:21.01Shirikvery useful during raids
02:21.15Zyndromemammoth + SW tunnels = "guise Im stuck"
02:24.07cbreakmy guild still has repair bots we made for bwl
02:24.14cbreakI think we made too many of them
02:24.45foxlitYou needed repair bots for BWL?
02:25.03cbreakyes.
02:25.19cbreaktook us several weeks to learn how to kill nef
02:25.42foxlitWas this after they nerfed it to smithereens?
02:25.59cbreakI don't think so
02:26.09foxlit[not that they actively nerfed Nef -- it's just that you could well repair in the time it took him to repop]
02:26.18ShirikFor The Horde - Completed on 1/02/2008
02:26.21ShirikImpressive
02:26.23ShirikI time travled
02:26.26cbreakI think we were the third or fourth guild on the server who killed him. back then we were hardcore
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02:32.04Fisker-win Shirik
02:32.04Fisker-WIN
02:32.16Fisker-Quality testing there
02:32.45Shirikwell
02:32.50Shirikat least the game didn't die, like Zune players did
02:32.57Fisker-hoho
02:33.05foxlitI hear they're better now, no updates applied?
02:33.33Fisker-As far as i heard it's a problem when it changes year
02:33.41Fisker-It's code puts it in an infinite loop
02:33.56Fisker-But when the "change" has occured it gets "fixed"
02:34.05Fisker-it'll have to be patched not to fuck up in 4 years of course
02:34.27cbreakZunes don't get that a year with 29th february has one day more.
02:35.42foxlitThe Zunes are just pushing for calendar reform.
02:36.15foxlitBesides, what's this 28-day-month crap?
02:36.26Fisker-indeed
02:36.37Fisker-Also
02:36.47duaiweyour mom's a 28 day month
02:36.54Fisker-people born on february 29th only age once every leap year
02:36.55Fisker-:3
02:37.15foxlitFisker-: if we abolish leap years, they'll live forever!
02:37.22Fisker-no
02:37.25Fisker-They'll never exist
02:37.26Fisker-:3
02:44.31cbreakwe could just take the average length of a year
02:44.42cbreakso instead of one day every approx four years
02:44.57cbreakwe just add approximately 6 hours every year
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02:49.19Thunder_Childand how do we do that?
02:50.14Mike-N-GoWhat is the command to copy with the clipboard on Windows?
02:50.32Thunder_Childkeyboard command?
02:51.23Mike-N-GoOn mack it is command c
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02:51.30Mike-N-Gomac*
02:51.31Olorinctrl c
02:51.35Mike-N-GoThanks.
02:51.53Thunder_Childso then yes...keyboard command....
02:52.32Olorinlol just saw quest npc throw potion at his assistant which melts him into goo and dies, then says oh it is working after all, I need a cleanup and a new assistant over here!
02:52.33Thunder_Childctrl+ins does the same thing
02:52.51Fisker-i hate you Thunder_Child
02:53.09Thunder_ChildFisker-, that like being hated by a wall
02:53.12Thunder_Childpointless
02:53.27Fisker-y must u be so srs? :(
02:53.44Thunder_Childbecause it bugs you
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03:01.51Shirikrofl
03:01.55ShirikI just updated myself on wowjutsu
03:01.57Shirikhttp://wowjutsu.com/us/drenden/Heresiarch
03:02.01ShirikI got like 20 pieces of gear today
03:02.03Shirikyay
03:02.28ShirikWTF
03:02.36ShirikIt added my blanketing robes of snow to naxx
03:02.37Shirikwrong!
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03:04.47Perniciushi :) can anybody tell me what "userdata" is?
03:05.21Perniciusi know tables, strings, numbers and so on, but i've never seen a userdata data type
03:05.27Perniciuswhat i did was:  /run kids = { Minimap:GetChildren() };for _,v in pairs(kids) do for g,h in pairs(v) do DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(tostring(g)..", "..tostring(h)..", "); end; end
03:07.11ShirikPernicius: Userdata is not really something you have access to, basically
03:07.20Shirikso unless you're really worried about the C side of Lua, you don't need to concern yourself with it
03:07.46ShirikThe easiest way to think of it without explaining its details is that it's a blob of memory
03:07.51Perniciuswell what i'm trying to do is simply beep if i see a tracking spot on the minimap
03:08.08Perniciusi hate looking at the minimap while flying around
03:08.20Perniciusso i dumped the minimap frame
03:08.20Shirikthen what you're trying to do is not desired by Blizzard :)
03:08.25Shirikthey have intentionally blocked you from doing that
03:08.41Perniciusthat was what i expected.... :(
03:08.58Perniciusthank you, Shirik
03:09.03Shiriknp
03:10.19NightHawkTheSaneneat.. the man who said no to wal-mart: http://www.fastcompany.com/node/54763/print
03:18.35IrielTem and I discovered a sort of hack, but it's nasty and doesn'r work all that well
03:18.56Irielscale the minimap so it's as small as a tracking dot, and leave it under them ouse
03:18.59Irielthe mouse
03:19.37ShirikI thought that was corrected
03:20.15Irielit may not work without mouse movement
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03:31.32Amarandeok ... -what- is the trick to the desperate mojo quest
03:31.41Amarandeother than to group (even though it's not a group quest) or to be a prot pally?
03:35.58Amarandesince it seems like you can hardly get any mobs without getting a 5+ pull
03:36.06Aiiane"The objective of the PlaneShift Team is to create a virtual fantasy world in which a player can start as a peasant in search of fame and become an hero."
03:36.09Tekkub<PROTECTED>
03:36.10AiianeWrong typo to make
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03:36.16Tekkubmy ret pally duo partner
03:36.26Tekkub... "what's Art of war?"
03:36.37AmarandeBasically, it seems to go down like this:
03:36.39TekkubTHAT THING YOU SHOULD BE USING EVERY FUCKING TIME IT PROCS
03:36.45Aiianelol
03:36.46Amarandemost of the mobs are the injured refugees
03:37.04Tekkubdo you not READ the shit you click on in the talent panel?
03:37.13Amarandeif you aggro one of those, then a shaman comes 'Me totem fix ya up good bruddahs', aggros, and proximity aggros the other 3-4 refugees ...
03:37.18TainReading is overrated.
03:37.23Amarandeand then I go squoosh.
03:37.51AmarandeTain: I think most people just take a talent build off EJ or the like without really understanding what each skill is for
03:38.31TainWithout any proof I would say that 90% of the players don't know what they're doing.
03:38.32Amarandeof course, this is something I get away with, but then that's because I'm playing a demo lock
03:38.49Amarandeand thus have relatively few talented spells I actually need to use often
03:39.21TainPeople are trained to press buttons much like monkeys do.  But they don't actually understand what's going on.
03:40.21Amarandeunlike, say, a ret pally, who has a spell they should be using -all the time-.
03:41.02Amarandelet's see, demo lock talented spells ... fel domination, pretty much only useful if you need a second pet quick against an elite or you just died in a spot where you can't rez without aggro
03:41.30Amarandedemonic empowerment ... I think I only ever use that against higher HP elites where I need felguard to hit faster to keep aggro
03:41.53Amarandesoul link ... ok, that's all the time, but it's fire and forget
03:42.38AmarandeI'm still not sure why I took meta, I've hardly ever actually used it
03:42.54Tekkubblack eyed peas and cabbage on 1/1...
03:43.05Tekkubthat sounds like the dumbest tradition ever
03:43.15Tekkubalso, SPEW!
03:44.20TainI had a single black eyed pea today because I was told it was tradition.  It was disgusting.
03:44.21Amarandeactually, these trolls would be the perfect time to use meta
03:44.36TainI've never had them before in my life, and I don't wish to have them again.
03:45.13Amarandelol
03:45.22Amarandelike corned beef and cabbage on St Patrick's *eww*
03:45.32Mike-N-GoWhere is says "Press key to bind command" or whatever when you are in the key-binding frame, is there a way to alter the text there?
03:45.32TainDisgusting.
03:45.51TainI like corned beef.  I do not like boiled corned beef and cabbage.
03:49.05Fisker-Tekkub my awesome man
03:49.07Fisker-good night btw
03:49.17Amarandeheh.
03:49.24Amarandeyou're right, using talented spells more often helps a lot
03:49.32TekkubTain, I wuv you... corned beef rocks, but the cabbage is just barf
03:49.38TekkubFisker-, uh, k
03:51.09Amarandewhoa
03:51.13Amarandemetamorphosis is awesome
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03:52.00Amarandeso much for those 5 pulls being a problem
03:52.57Amarandewinged demon form walks all over them
04:04.36TekkubILLIBEANS!
04:05.32Tekkubgroup of horses == herd right?
04:09.45Thunder_Childsounds right
04:10.29malikeyeis there a way to get around having to use live servers to test code ?
04:10.51malikeyegetting queued when you are trying to learn this stuff sucks :(
04:11.08malikeyepick a low pop realm I guess
04:12.41Tekkubyea that
04:13.11Amarandetry azshara
04:13.12Amarandeheh
04:13.13Tekkubyou can generally check for syntax errors without logging in of course
04:19.07Mike-N-GoI am trying to use a for loop to set some binding names. http://pastey.net/105392 is the code. It is not working; did I call the global wrong? or might you see why it is not working?
04:19.21malikeyeTekkub, stealyourcarbon friggen rocks, btw :)
04:19.32Tekkubwell DUH
04:20.20Aiianenow write stealyourcarbonite :P (i kid)
04:21.11malikeyehow long did syc take to write ?
04:21.37Mike-N-GoI am not seeing what is not working with my code there, any help would be apperated.
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04:31.08kd3__oh, wow. my net connection fails
04:33.49Mike-N-Gonvm. I got it. There was a syntax error in my addon.
04:38.15AiianeHaving luac to parse code files before loading them ingame to test helps a lot to eliminate syntax errors quick :)
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04:43.41Irielplus it's ahandy way to look for accidental globals
04:44.25Aiianethat too.
04:50.14ScytheBlade1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Malloy
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04:57.36Kaeltenhows it going guys
04:57.56SixenIt's going.
04:58.08KaeltenI hereby stop it from going
04:58.13Kaeltenwhatever it is!
04:58.32ScytheBlade1=[
05:00.04Thunder_Childthe earth stops rotating, good job ScytheBlade1
05:00.17ScytheBlade1Don't blame me
05:00.28Thunder_Childhe didnt press ctrl+c
05:00.41ScytheBlade100:00 < ScytheBlade1> Don't blame me
05:00.44Kaeltenlol
05:01.01KaeltenThere's not been enough alchohol for this conversation
05:01.06Thunder_Child"you've been blamed"
05:01.12ScytheBlade1I actually don't drink
05:01.17Thunder_Childnor do i
05:01.24Kaeltenwell start before we all float away
05:01.28ScytheBlade1lol
05:01.40Thunder_Childwell, thats not quite true...i do drink...it just happens to be non-alchoholic
05:01.41ScytheBlade1Your recommendation has been noted and discarded
05:01.49KaeltenI don't drink to an excess
05:02.40Thunder_Child~8ball
05:02.41purlACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Ask again later
05:03.29ScytheBlade1I got, electric guitar!
05:03.58Tekkubguitar hero is NOT an electric guitar
05:04.07ScytheBlade1You, Tekkub
05:04.10ScytheBlade1Need more weezer in your life
05:04.37Thunder_Childno one needs more weezer in their life
05:04.40KaeltenTekkub: rock band is better anyway
05:05.12Tekkub*shrug* I get sick of the same not so great song over and over and over and..
05:05.25Kaeltenlol
05:05.41Tekkubif it was like, a great kickass song sure
05:05.44Tekkubbut they're not
05:05.58Thunder_Childit is to someone i would imagine
05:08.39Sixenalcohol.. just hearing that word makes me want to vomit.
05:08.54Sixentoo much last night.
05:09.03Sixen<PROTECTED>
05:09.26Kaeltenlol
05:09.50TekkubI never understood that
05:10.02Tekkubalchy is fun, while your brain still functions
05:10.12Tekkubonce that stops, it's all down hill, so why do it?
05:10.37ScytheBlade1Why stop?
05:10.44Tekkubdrink till you're happy, not till you're stupid, but don't drink cause you're depressed
05:11.10mikmatruth.
05:11.11Tekkubcause then happy never happens, just stupid
05:11.21Mike-N-Golol.. I am making an addon, currently called SayAgain, that sends a message to a chat channel with SendChatMessage(). I was an a BG and used SendChatMessage through the addon.. to the AFK channel.
05:11.24hastedrinking while depressed makes me more depressed
05:11.30hasteso that doesn't work :Yp
05:11.44hastethen again, drinking while happy makes me more happy, le awesome
05:13.07mikmaoh
05:13.19mikmabut not drinking makes me happy, le win
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05:25.21Mike-N-GoYay!~
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05:32.19SixenI shot purl. o noez.
05:32.19SixenAnd I shot the sheriff too.
05:32.19SixenBut I did NOT shoot the Deputy.
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05:32.19Thunder_Childvery unhappy
05:32.33ShirikI blame the Zune bug
05:38.30Sixenlol
05:40.56CodayusI should stop pugging heroic Gundrak.  It destroys my faith in humanity.
05:41.21Zyndrome06:36.46 ( Codayus ) I should stop pugging. It destroys my faith in humanity.
05:41.27Zyndromehi, fixed it for you
05:41.40CodayusMaybe, seems like gundrak is worse than most
05:46.15AmarandeWhat's worse about Gundrak?
05:46.35mikmathe bosses are evul
05:48.58Amarandeplus by the time I actually get to do it, I'll probably see it for the first time on heroic
05:49.10AmarandeI've done Nexus twice, and so far no other Northrend instances :|
05:50.28CodayusOn the first boss people stand in the nova, then don't even try to kill adds.
05:50.43CodayusOn the trash before the second boss people stand in the puddles.
05:50.57Amarandeah, people who stand in fire
05:51.18CodayusOn the second boss people stand in the puddles AGAIN.  And the tank doesn't pick the boss up fast on transitions.
05:51.53NightHawkTheSanethe snake boss in gun'drak is a bit rough.
05:51.53Zyndrome"stand in the puddles for extra damage!"
05:51.59NightHawkTheSanebut beyond that, it
05:52.03CodayusI think that accounts for wipes 1 through um...5.  Would have been 6, but enough people didn't stand in puddles on the trash so not a wipe.
05:52.07NightHawkTheSaneit's fairly easy if you're not retarded
05:52.50NightHawkTheSanenow, getting that damn Less-rabi achievement's a pain..
05:53.52CodayusThe third boss ALWAYS transforms, of course.  Luckily, he's so easy we can't wipe.  Even though we trie.
05:53.57AmarandeI've heard some disappointing things about WotLK heroics
05:54.08Amarandefor instance, that they're easier than some of the 70 instances were on normal in BC
05:54.20NightHawkTheSanenah, thats not true
05:54.21sacarasctruth
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05:54.43NightHawkTheSanebut the easyier heroics aren't really much harder than normal 80's
05:54.48Amarandealthough, making them easier than BC heroics were is probably a good thing
05:55.24CodayusOh hell, no.  They're hard.  Maybe easier than SOME BC heroics...maybe not too.
05:55.33Amarandeone of the major problems with the BC heroics was that they were *TOO* hard
05:55.34CodayusPeople remember cheesing them with T5+ gear
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05:55.53CodayusOVerall, I like them better.  Hmm
05:56.01Amarandewhich basically utterly killed 5-man once badges were added to Kara
05:56.03Shirikugh, freenode is not having happy times, huh
05:56.05CodayusOkay, yeah, easier.  Apart from acheivments.  Some of them are crazy
05:56.06Tekkubso my compact AH browse addon, need a name
05:56.12TekkubtekAuctionBrowser sucks
05:56.17Amarandebecause a lot of BC heroics were stupid hard, making Kara look easy
05:56.33CodayusNothing I've seen is as hard as heroic mana tombs, for example...
05:56.34Tekkubthinking Compauction or GnomishAuctionShrinker (GAS)
05:56.34NightHawkTheSaneCodayus: the achievements are add a very nice challenge to the existing content, though
05:56.42CodayusNightHawkTheSane:  I LOVE them
05:57.13CodayusThis fail pug who could dps adds downed the 1st fundrak boss...eventually
05:57.28CodayusA good guild group mows the adds down, and you get the no-snake-wrap achievement.
05:57.35CodayusVery nifty mechanic.
05:59.36AmarandeAnd yeah, Codayus, that was one of the big problems with BC, too
05:59.43Amarandeby late in BC, people were cheesing heroics in T5+ gear
05:59.51Amarandewhich drove the standard of gear for PUG members WAY up
05:59.54NightHawkTheSanehaha... http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/017516.html
06:00.07Amarandebut you needed heroics to get badges to get the gear so you could go to kara and up so you could get the gear to go to heroics
06:00.38Amarandewhich ... fails
06:01.16Amarandewell, yeah, there was always getting gear from normal instances, but by late in BC, at least on some servers, basically no one did normal 70 instances
06:02.24Amarandehmm
06:02.30Amarandedo you think that fail cycle will ever happen in WotLK?
06:02.39Tem|afkalmost no one does normal isntances already
06:02.52Tem|afkI never see groups forming, anyway
06:03.07NightHawkTheSanei only ever do normal instances if a sub-80 is in the group
06:03.14NightHawkTheSanebut i also don't pug
06:03.19AmarandeTem: I mean the gear standard for heroics getting bumped up to the point where the above failcycle is ridden
06:03.31Amarandei.e., you need the heroic gear so you can go to raids, but you're expected to have raid gear to go to heroics ...
06:03.39Tem|afkdoubtful
06:03.40CodayusThat's a social issue.  Not a bliz issue.  Get better friends.  :-)
06:03.42Tem|afkheroics are easy enough
06:03.46NightHawkTheSaneCodayus: indeed
06:03.55Amarandethough I can understand why BC can be like that
06:04.01NightHawkTheSaneCodayus: the problem is, Amarande does't have any, and blames blizzard :p
06:04.07NightHawkTheSanedoesn't*
06:04.07Tem|afkpeople don't pug expecting achievements
06:04.07AmarandeI got a heroic slave pens PUG once on Quel'dorei that didn't care
06:04.12Amarandelet's see ...
06:04.20Amarandehow's three to four hours to do heroic slave pens sound
06:04.21Amarande:|
06:04.39Arrowmastertheres nothing at all hard about heroics, if the group is all lvl 80's and they arent doing a heroic something is wrong
06:04.55CodayusYeah
06:05.03AmarandeArrowmaster: so in other words, HoL, Oculus, and Utgarde Pinnacle should NEVER be run on normal
06:05.20Arrowmasterive never run them on normal
06:05.36AmarandeI can see doing culling of strat on normal
06:05.45Amarandebut that's mainly because all the CoT instances are pretty much giant damn escort quests
06:05.52NightHawkTheSanethere are some heroics that are significantly more difficult than you might expect. but the level 80 instances are not them.
06:06.16Arrowmasterwhich?
06:06.37Amarandeand speaking of escort quests ... Night, do you think 2.3 was responsible for ruining the one in RFD?
06:06.38NightHawkTheSaneThe first boss of Azjol'Nerub can be a pain sometimes.
06:07.03Arrowmasterthats one the instance i have yet to do
06:07.22AmarandeI almost considered doing Azjol'Nerub, but now I won't see it till heroic
06:07.27Amarande78 is too high for anything from there to be useful
06:07.31NightHawkTheSaneIt and Old Kingdom are probably two of the "harder" heroics.
06:08.04Arrowmasteri question how the fuck the kill the last boss in 2 minutes achievement in old kingdom is possible
06:08.14NightHawkTheSaneAnd the chest event in halls of stone can be a real bitch some times.
06:08.29NightHawkTheSaneArrowmaster: I honestly don't think it is since they fixed the LoS thing.
06:08.34AmarandeArrowmaster: not all achievements need to be possible right now
06:08.39Amarandeyou probably will need T8 or T9 for that one
06:09.05Amarandeas I've noted, the only achievements I can think of off the top of my head that are really incorrect
06:09.12NightHawkTheSaneat least not until you stupidly outgear the encounter, but that doesn't seem appropriate..
06:09.24Gngskthey're nerfing that to 4m i thought
06:09.27Amarandeare the Chef title (which is being fixed in 3.0.8) and the horde 4 minute SotA one that I've mentioned before
06:09.42Tem|afkArrowmaster, I already have that achievement?
06:09.46Tem|afkl2dps imo
06:10.00NightHawkTheSaneGngsk: have they said they are? I know they're changing the AN one
06:10.18AmarandeTem, I'm not really sure there's a such thing as 'l2dps' if you're succeeding in heroic bosses at all
06:10.26ArrowmasterTem|afk: sorry im not a broken deathknight
06:10.29ThraeAnyone here use WoWUI's SVN?
06:10.35Amarandeif you don't have your proper rotations down by then, you're not going to be taking down bosses
06:10.41NightHawkTheSaneTem|afk: herald volazj (sp?) in 2 minutes without using the LoS trick? i really have a hard time believeing that
06:10.41batbotNightHawkTheSane, nothing found.
06:10.52Amarandethat's more a matter of "not enough +zomg on your gear"
06:11.00Tem|afkNightHawkTheSane, we may or may not have used the LoS trick.
06:11.18NightHawkTheSaneTem|afk: yeah, if you used LoS it's easy as hell :p they fixed that, though ;)
06:11.35Temalready?
06:11.54NightHawkTheSanehell, they fixed that a few weeks ago
06:12.06Arrowmasterthey fixed it in like a week
06:12.12NightHawkTheSane^
06:12.47Amarandeas for the escort quest in RFD ...
06:12.53AmarandeI blame 2.3 for that because of the instance level change
06:13.10CodayusI missed doing the herald by 18s.  In a pug.  :-(
06:13.21CodayusWe just burned everything down, no tricks.  Good pug...
06:13.21ScytheBlade1nvidia drivers don't like 2.6.28 =[
06:14.10AmarandeCodayus: dang, reminds me of Master's trials in Guild Wars: Factions and Nightfall
06:14.10ThraeScytheBlade1: 2.6.28 of what?
06:14.10Arrowmasteri spend most of that fight running around the room in circles fleeing
06:14.11TemPS, did you /really/ say "broken" DK?
06:14.28Temif anyone is broken right now it's hunters and HAT rogues
06:14.42ThraeGotta hate those hat-wearing Rogues
06:14.46NightHawkTheSanewell, HaT rogues really are broken in the true sense of the word
06:15.03ScytheBlade1Thrae: linux kernel
06:15.09CodayusTem: True
06:15.16NightHawkTheSaneThrae: I am anti-hat. as well as anti-pants.
06:15.23ThraeScytheBlade1: Ahh, well, I think 2.6.28 has its share of problems
06:15.43ScytheBlade1Thrae: oh?
06:16.15Amarandecould be worse Scythe, you could have ATI
06:16.20ScytheBlade1Amarande: truth
06:16.23AmarandeI had to go back to Vista simply because I have an ATI card
06:16.29ScytheBlade1Amarande: actually no, no it couldn't be worsse
06:16.34ScytheBlade1Because I don't buy ATi :P
06:16.35ThraeScytheBlade1: Try adding nopat to your kernel line in grub
06:16.40Amarandelet's see ... in order to have drivers that didn't crash when I log off or switch user
06:16.45AmarandeI had to use the radeonhd xorg driver
06:16.46ScytheBlade1Thrae: I use lilo ;)
06:16.49Amarandewhich meant I had no 3D acceleration
06:16.54Amarandeever have WoW literally report "zero FPS"? :)
06:16.55ThraeScytheBlade1: Same thing
06:16.57ScytheBlade1Thrae: (that and the problem is the installer finding the source headers it wants)
06:17.04ThraeAhh
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06:17.49ThraeScytheBlade1: What version of the nVidia drivers are you trying to compile?
06:18.01ScytheBlade1Thrae: latest they have on their site
06:18.03ScytheBlade1177.82 iirc
06:20.10ThraeScytheBlade1: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1843626&postcount=44~, took me a few googles
06:20.49ThraeScytheBlade1: Patch 177.82 with that and it should compile
06:21.01ScytheBlade1Thrae: looks like a rather simple patch
06:21.22ThraeScytheBlade1: Yep
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06:22.04linear`if i have 2 frames that are both height 10 and width 10, how do i set the bottomright corner of the first frame on the top left corner of the second frame without doing it the easy way
06:22.17ScytheBlade1"without doing it the easy way"?
06:22.20ScytheBlade1Thrae: thanks
06:22.23Tekkubdo it the easy way
06:23.13linear`i wanna set them up for animating so i dont wanna set point them on each other
06:23.29linear`oh wait i could do that then use getleft and getbottom
06:23.30Arrowmasterdo math?
06:23.49Tekkubmath isn't easy!
06:23.53Tekkuband he doesn't want easy
06:23.55Tekkubso yea, do math
06:24.23linear`how do i convert it, set pointing it 10 to the right isnt the same as 10 width is it
06:25.43Tekkubyou mean like, left left 0 0 ... right left 10 0 on the same frame?
06:25.52Tekkubthat's same as just setting left and width 10
06:27.02mikmaVangelis rules.
06:28.02ScytheBlade1<PROTECTED>
06:28.07ScytheBlade1I just setup a new 2k8 VM
06:28.11ScytheBlade1Managed to typo the password twice
06:28.12linear`youre right
06:28.16ScytheBlade1Now I have no idea what it is, sigh
06:28.16kd3fail
06:28.17linear`did my math wrong =\
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06:30.47ScytheBlade1haha @ http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=125523
06:30.54ScytheBlade1That's an oddly entertaining new year's thread
06:34.21Tekkubhttp://github.com/tekkub/gnomishauctionshrinker/
06:34.24TekkubYATTA!
06:35.13ScytheBlade1Tekkub: I was hoping that condenses the pricks who put up single enchanting dusts into average priced stacks
06:35.31Tekkubyea that's not so easy
06:35.31ScytheBlade1(from the name alone)
06:35.44ScytheBlade1Oh I know
06:35.46ScytheBlade1Just saying
06:35.48ScytheBlade1I was hoping :P
06:36.19Tekkubjust sort by buyout, they'll go off into the depths of the last page
06:36.24Tekkub*pages
06:36.51mikma1 dust fuckers =/ hate em
06:37.12Tekkubmy server gets a variety, 1, 2, 5, sometimes 10s also
06:37.18Tekkuball for the same retarded price
06:37.37Amarandeso, it's considered bad AH etiquette to put up all your stuff at the end of your session, rather than to wait till you have full stacks of everything?
06:37.46Amarandeor you mean they put up 1 at the 10 price?
06:37.46Tekkubthe default UI should sort by buyout instead of bid by default
06:37.50Tekkubmake them go away
06:38.11TekkubAmarande, they're just trying to inflate the price of the item
06:38.22Tekkubby skewing people's auctioneer datas
06:38.52Tekkubthey think that 100 auctions of 1x has more weight than 5 20x auctions
06:38.58ScytheBlade1Amarande: people who have 200 dust and start 200 auctions
06:39.09Tekkubwhich may be true with auc, I don't know, but if it is that's kinda dumb
06:40.00Tekkub100 items should have 100 items' influence on the average, regardless of how it's stacked up
06:40.01mikmas/dumb/retarded/
06:40.05TewanScytheBlade1, I want to murder people that do that.
06:40.11mikmahai i fixed it for you
06:40.16Tewanmikma, lol
06:40.21Tekkubor they could just give enchanting mats a fucking vendor price
06:40.28Tekkubthat'd fix it instantly
06:40.42mikmayeah
06:40.58mikmadusts having no deposit-pay is lame
06:41.05AmarandeTekkub: that might also drive up the price of enchanting mats, though
06:41.11Amarandebecause people would have to stay enough above the deposit
06:41.25Tekkubwhat?
06:41.35Tekkubyou understand how the deposit works right?
06:41.43Amarandewhich would be bad for enchanting mats that suck and don't sell well, like large glowing shards (or was it large glimmering shards?)
06:41.44mikmadont mind about him tekkub, hes delutional
06:42.00Tekkubactually it would be GOOD
06:42.06Tewanyeah
06:42.08Tekkubbecause people would consider the price more
06:42.16Tekkubinstead of just throwing it up cause it's free
06:43.53mikmaimho, buy more get groupdiscount
06:44.07mikmathe bigger the stack, less ah cuta
06:44.14mikmacuts*
06:45.13Tekkubhell do it paypalish... base rate for all transactions (scale with vendor price?) plus a percentage of the total
06:46.09Tekkubthat way say, a single stack takes out 30s + 1s and a 20 stack takes 30s + 20s
06:46.51mikmaheh
06:46.58mikmayeah, sounds good
06:50.19mikmatekkub: btw, hoes the roommate, her princess-dog and the bitch? =D
06:50.28mikmahis*
06:52.07Tekkubhuh?
06:52.28mikmathe pooch that needed lava-like temperatures
06:52.44mikmaotherwise it would get cold
06:52.47Tekkubwe moved out of there like last march
06:53.25mikmalol didnt know. was it good for you too?
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06:53.55Tekkubmoving sucks always
06:54.04Tekkubbut new place where I don't have to wear pants
06:54.08Tekkubwhat do you think?
06:54.27mikmaoh? you moved in canada? xD
06:54.38smoke_does markushe come in here?
06:55.17mikma~seen markushe
06:55.18purli haven't seen 'markushe', mikma
06:55.30mikmasmoke_: ^-----
06:55.43smoke_thanks :)
06:55.58Tewanheh, just got phpmyadmin working, didn't notice how much shit I have in my DB :/
06:57.34smoke_anyone used gridlogged?
06:58.51mikmasounds like a pirates of caribbean movie
07:05.31TekkubWOOO!  Found a way to stall WoW for like 10 seconds with GAS
07:05.37Tekkub*fixes*
07:05.44Tewanhttp://pastey.tewan.info/?c=znjqeRivZP8TC
07:07.09Tewanoh no, I killed everyone
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07:22.34MentalPower~lart Tewan
07:22.34purlslaps Tewan upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh
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07:55.40Thunder_Childdoe's eat oats and mare's eat oats and little lambs eat ivy
07:56.28TekkubTC's brain broke
07:56.54Cairenn|afkThunder_Child: :)
07:57.36Thunder_ChildWB Cairenn|afk
07:57.49Thunder_Childhow was your new years trip?
07:58.38ZorbaTHutthe cotton socks are made of grows in egypt
08:02.54Cairenn|afkThunder_Child: it went as well as can be expected, considering
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08:40.16Wobina kid'll eat ivy too, wouldn't you?
08:42.05WobWork=\
08:42.12WobWorkholiday over after the wweekend
08:43.32Temlol so my DK is now Argent Dawn exalted
08:43.37Temfrom doing baron runs
08:43.44WobWorkhehe
08:43.47WobWorkgot the mount?
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08:47.09Temno
08:49.46Thunder_ChildFail Tem, Fail
08:50.09Thunder_ChildCoMpLeTe FaIl
08:50.56Temignore Thunder_Child
08:50.59Temsigh
08:51.23Temfucking you irc and your non-intuitive shit
08:51.54Thunder_Childand now in english?
08:58.55TemI swear to drunk im not god?
08:59.04Thunder_Child/agreed
09:02.21batrickapparently wow is censoring www.mmo-champion.com
09:02.29batrickthat's kidna wierd
09:02.40batrickwhat's worse is they are censoring all these sites on the server side
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09:03.34BibiCONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:03.34Thunder_Childin what way?
09:03.46BibiWE SHOULD RISE AGAINST THE OPPRESSION FRIENDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:03.51BibiAnd it's always been like this, seriously
09:03.57BibiJust their gold selling filter acting funny
09:04.05batrickThunder_Child: send a friend a tell containing "www.mmo-champion.com"
09:04.15batrickyou'll get an error message
09:04.17Thunder_Childoh, in tells
09:04.37batrickwho puts a chat filter on the server side
09:04.40batrickthat's just dumb
09:05.10Thunder_Childbatrick, lowest common denominator, PEOPLE ARE STUPID
09:05.24batricki don't see how that's relevant
09:05.37batrickit puts unnecessary load on the server is what im getting at
09:05.40Thunder_Childthe less thing people are able to fuck up the better
09:05.44Irielbatrick: Anyone who's also going to log who's sending it so they can shut down spammers?
09:05.45Thunder_Childthings*
09:06.13batricklogging is one thing, censoring is another
09:06.23IrielSaves you the server -> client bandwidth
09:06.50batrickI'm betting it's minimal
09:07.22IrielI'm betting the blizzard developers are smart enough they wouldn't put it server side if was really a significant impact to thir servers
09:07.44batrickif they were smart they wouldn't block harmless news sites
09:08.30Shiriknight all
09:08.37batricknight shirik
09:10.34Thunder_Childhahahahahaha Shirik
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09:21.03[m3lin]is there a channel-system for addons that needs to communicate with other players not in guild, party etc?
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09:25.30IrielNot beyond the regulat channel system, no
09:25.54Wobinwell.. "/t target mmochampion.com works =)
09:31.38[m3lin]guess Im gonna have to use a regular channel then, and hide it - shame there's a limit on channels
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09:45.17[m3lin]anyone know how I can get the time from the timer in Wintergrasp?
09:45.27[m3lin]and any other zone-info (if any)
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09:57.02Mike-N-GoAnyone know of a mod that puts notes/waypoints on the map where quest givers are? Not the current quests, all quest givers known?
09:57.29[m3lin]hmm.. nope
09:57.51[m3lin]check wowmatrix and have it search for quest
10:06.53ZorbaTHutmike, if you wait a few months QH will do that, but that might be more waiting than you want
10:08.34Mike-N-GoZorbaTHut: I am interested in it today.
10:09.00ZorbaTHutunfortunate, that :)
10:10.59TewanZorbaTHut, I think I speak for you right now in this link: http://pastey.tewan.info/?c=znjqRZilcT8GP
10:13.30ZorbaTHuttewan, I have felt like that frequently
10:13.40ZorbaTHutalthough I'm not sure why I should be feeling like that right now :)
10:17.57nevcairielyou should fix the awful behaviour of QH before working on new features, imho
10:18.36WobinCairenn|afk: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/1f5dcdcce186514497a318aa7768e8bf.jpg
10:18.51WobinCairenn|afk: I'm working on my photos I took at the zoo =)
10:19.22TewanMy cat turns into an all-out ninja when it gets it's toy.
10:19.33ZorbaTHutnevcairiel, which awful behavior are you referring to?
10:19.35ZorbaTHutalso, I'm going to point out I did say "in a few months"
10:19.58ZorbaTHuta small amount of thought would indicate that I had something planned for the time period before I implemented that feature :P
10:20.09nevcairieldoes it still fire a million WORLD_MAP_UPDATE per second? Does it still eat your cpu in raid combat?
10:20.35nevcairielyou dont need QH in instances and even less in raids, turn it off already
10:20.37ZorbaTHutno, not if you hide it
10:20.41ZorbaTHut(respectively)
10:20.54nevcairielpeople have to remember that
10:21.06ZorbaTHut*shrug* haven't sat down and written the code. it's not something I get comments on often
10:21.41ZorbaTHutmy feeling is that people should be tuning it so it's not a significant performance hog. just turning /qh perf down results in some unfortunate quest tracker behavior that I need to fix
10:21.47nevcairielbecause average joe doesnt care, but i tell everyone in my guild to not have QH loaded during raids, or we'll take someone who doesnt, the lag is inacceptable
10:21.56ZorbaTHutand I don't want to turn off the tracker while people are in instances, because it's actually useful
10:22.09ZorbaTHutthe quest tracker behavior will be fixed naturally as part of routing v2, so I'm not spending a lot of effort on it now.
10:22.20ZorbaTHutwhy not just tell 'em to /qh hide?
10:22.20nevcairielthen i'll continue to tell people that it sucks and eats their CPU during intense raid fights
10:22.35nevcairielagain, requires user interaction on every damn raid
10:22.47ZorbaTHutso does turning it off. ;)
10:23.00nevcairielyou dont get it, do you
10:23.14nevcairielits not hard to write code that goes inactive in raids and turns itself back on afterwards
10:23.26ZorbaTHutsure I do. you hate questhelper and have strong feelings on how I should be spending my time, without being willing to do it yourself.
10:23.40ZorbaTHutI don't see it as a high priority
10:24.13nevcairielhaving people get screen freezes in raids is no high priority? and frankly, your responses are not helping on improving my opinion on it =P
10:25.14ZorbaTHutthere aren't all that many people who (1) think QH's CPU is too much, (2) won't complain about its "overhead" even when "completely disabled", and (3) aren't able to /qh hide
10:25.14ZorbaTHutit's something I'll fix once the things that make it difficult to fix are, themselves, fixed. so.
10:25.14ZorbaTHutif people are getting screen freezes, it's an issue, but I watch for that sort of thing and I don't believe it's QH's fault
10:25.27ZorbaTHut(and there's no reason it would happen in raids but not elsewhere)
10:25.40ZorbaTHut('least, not that I can think of)
10:25.40nevcairieland the WORLD_MAP_UPDATE issue? you cause alot of issues in other addons with that behaviour, was that fixed?
10:25.55ZorbaTHutI already said it was, I believe it was one or two updates after I was first notified of it :P
10:25.55nevcairielraids have alot more action happening then elsewhere
10:26.12ZorbaTHutyeah, but largely, QH doesn't care about that action
10:26.31ZorbaTHutthe only thing it might start triggering more often is the datagathering modules, and I've been pretty careful about making them not cause issues (though there may be bugs there, but I haven't had reliable reports)
10:26.43nevcairielit still reduces the players performance, and combined with raid action, that can get you below an acceptable treshhold
10:26.58ZorbaTHutbut it'll do that even if it's disabled
10:27.07ZorbaTHutI don't have the power to completely unload QH during raids and then reload it later
10:27.25nevcairieldoes it use CPU when hidden? if so, why?
10:27.30nevcairielevent base programming doesnt need that
10:27.30ZorbaTHutat the very least, it'll use tables, and those tables will take garbage collector CPU cycles and memory.
10:27.50ZorbaTHutat the moment, yes, due to the unfortunate quest tracker/quest log interaction (which, as mentioned, I plan to fix)
10:28.01ZorbaTHutbut even if it didn't, it wouldn't be completely impactless for that reason.
10:29.34nevcairielwhat information could it possibly gather in a raid anyway?
10:29.36ZorbaTHutI mean, if you want to see why this feature of yours is low priority, that's why. I literally cannot fix this to everyone's perfect satisfaction. It's logically provable. Since I can't fix it, why spend a lot of time on it right now when there's more important issues to fix, like "making it so it works in Icecrown" and "making it so the database isn't gradually collapsing"?
10:29.44nevcairielyou're in a raid instance, nothing QH ever worrys about
10:30.05ZorbaTHutwell, there's two things. First, there's drops for quests. Second, there's updating the quest tracker, which is sadly kind of built into the routing system.
10:30.14ZorbaTHut(Also for quests, natch.)
10:30.52nevcairieli know like one quest in a raid instance, and thats the malygos key quest
10:30.55nevcairiel*shrug*
10:31.43ZorbaTHuthttp://www.wowhead.com/?quests&filter=ty=62
10:31.47ZorbaTHutthere's 332, apparently. :)
10:32.01ZorbaTHut(some of those are doubtless duplicates)
10:32.19nevcairielthe quest for token turnins all count for that
10:32.38nevcairieland those are all like old-naxx, unreachable now
10:33.29ZorbaTHutI don't see an easy way to filter out naxx quests, but I'm sure you can see that there are many quests which are neither token turnins nor naxx.
10:33.56nevcairielold content
10:33.58nevcairiel*shrug
10:34.06TewanZorbaTHut, told ya
10:34.20ZorbaTHutTrue. A lot of people who use QH use it for old content.
10:34.45ZorbaTHutEspecially with the Loremaster achievements.
10:34.54nevcairielas if raid quests count into that =P
10:35.04nevcairielanyway, at least give people an option to make it turn off in raids
10:35.28nevcairieli doubt it would be alot of code to just call your Hide function on raid enter
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10:36.14TewanI think I shall sleepth.
10:37.21ZorbaTHutI'm holding back on that because the entire thing will work quite differently, and be quite unnecessary, in v2. I don't want to add a feature whose mere existence will be later obliterated, since people will ask for it back even though it's not needed
10:37.25smoke_anyone used gridlogged ?
10:38.48ZorbaTHutanyway, even if I did that, would that be enough? :P
10:39.15nevcairieldepends if the people still say that their extreme lag went away after disabling QH
10:39.45nevcairielcant you write the peformance option to automagically adapt to the FPS the user has? =P
10:40.00ZorbaTHutman, people are never going to say that
10:40.03Tewannevcairiel, jebus.
10:40.13ZorbaTHutit does, actually :)
10:40.25ZorbaTHutseriously, I've had people say that they installed QH and their framerate dropped and it didn't even work
10:40.37ZorbaTHuton closer inspection, they installed it in the wrong place and it wasn't even running
10:40.46ZorbaTHutwhy did their framerate drop? because they thought it was going to, and confirmation bias is a ridiculously strong force
10:40.59ZorbaTHutyou already think QH is buggy and CPU-hogging. Even if I made it use zero CPU, run perfectly, and make coffee, you'd be complaining that it was a buggy slow mass.
10:41.22Tewan:P
10:41.24nevcairieli doubt 5+ people on our raid imagined their extreme lag was better on sartharion+3 after disabling it
10:41.43ZorbaTHutactually I'd be surprised if it was only 5 out of 25
10:41.54ZorbaTHutanyway, lag, or framerate hitches?
10:42.22nevcairieli doubt its real network lag, but people describe everything as lag
10:42.34ZorbaTHutwhich immediately makes their testimony less useful :)
10:42.48ZorbaTHutif they're not even describing the effect correctly, what makes you think they're immune to confirmation bias?
10:43.19ZorbaTHutnow, if you want to help me track this down, there's some stuff I can add to the performance code to try tracking CPU usage spikes
10:43.29ZorbaTHutI've been thinking about doing it but haven't yet. It will, however, be generally useful.
10:43.45TewanI think I'm going to play with OpenRDX tomorrow.
10:43.51AntiarcMan
10:43.56TewanWoman
10:44.03ZorbaTHutTransexual?
10:44.03AntiarcI was just having a performance flashback
10:44.05nevcairielalready knowing that the routing algorithm isnt stopped in raid combat makes me believe them :D
10:44.10TewanZorbaTHut, lol
10:44.13AntiarcI remember when KTM pcall'd everything so that the user didn't see the errors it produced.
10:44.43ZorbaTHutnevcairiel, in that case, I will leave you with your calm, unbiased performance asssessment :)
10:45.05TewanI shall sleep
10:45.12TewanAfter I make my behd.
10:45.15TewanBEHD.
10:45.30nevcairielI'm sorry that i'm not goign to ruin my raid performance to track that down =P
10:45.31TewanHopefully my comforter is clean. :3
10:45.32AntiarcZorbaTHut: If you haven't used it (though I'm sure you have) stuff like Expo is pro for tracking down CPU-hungry code.
10:45.46Tewannevcairiel, then don't expect it to be fixed
10:45.57nevcairielTewan: i never did, actually.
10:45.58Tewanif no one contribues bug information, then it will never be fixed
10:45.58ZorbaTHutantiarc, does it use the built-in WoW profiler?
10:46.03AntiarcZorbaTHut: Yeah
10:46.05ZorbaTHut'cause if it does, it's already going to cause a huge number of performance issues, *and* it's hugely biased :(
10:46.07Tewancontributes*
10:46.15AntiarcWait, what?
10:46.24ZorbaTHutthe WoW profiler is only moderately more useful than nothing, it's a very dubious design. per-function profiling is inherently flawed
10:46.25nevcairielAntiarc: it doesnt actually, it calculates its own timings (Expo that is)
10:46.39AntiarcOho, I thought that cryect changed it to use the WoW profiler
10:46.44AntiarcIt must be something else I'm thinking of
10:46.51AntiarcBut er, what's wrong with the WoW profiler?
10:46.52ZorbaTHutI've gotten it to spit out numbers that are inaccurate by a factor of 6 or so :P
10:47.08AntiarcInaccurate in terms of wall time run or relative time run?
10:47.09ZorbaTHutthe basic issue is that when you profile every function call, you add overhead to every function call
10:47.10Tewanoh, talking about inaccuracy
10:47.16ZorbaTHutthat makes function calls more expensive than they used to be
10:47.19AntiarcWell sure
10:47.22AntiarcThat's understoof
10:47.23Tewanhttp://tewan.info/cpuworkinhard.jpg
10:47.30TewanApparently my computer was working past 100%.
10:47.37ZorbaTHutif you have function A and B, and before profiling they take the same amount of time but A calls a hundred million functions, then *after* profiling A will take *far* more time than B
10:47.43AntiarcBut you can still see that foo() is taking 3x as much CPU time as bar(), and the function overhead is fixed.
10:47.49smoke_anyone not busy think they can help me figure out whats wrong with this addon?
10:47.52ZorbaTHutand you'll say "oh clearly A is my problem" when, in reality, they aren't
10:47.54ZorbaTHutno, that's my point
10:47.55ZorbaTHutyou can't
10:48.02ZorbaTHutyou'll see A taking 6 times as much time as B
10:48.04ZorbaTHutwhen in reality A == B
10:48.20ZorbaTHutthe problem isn't A or B's function overhead, it's the functions that A calls (and that B doesn't)
10:48.29AntiarcThat's why you generally look at average run time rather than cumulative :P
10:48.37smoke_basically they have this frame w/ combat text inside of it with scrollbars, but the bars wont scroll, the "onScroll" function the author uses doesnt even get called, im trying to figure what is happening but been going at it for an hr and feel stumped :(
10:48.40AntiarcBe smarter than the profiler! :P
10:48.42ZorbaTHutit doesn't help - A's average runtime is going to be just as bad each time
10:48.57ZorbaTHutevery time A is called, it will take six times as long as it used to
10:49.32AntiarcYou generally look at problematic leaves when profiling, not problematic branches
10:49.35nevcairielNowhere it says that the numbers are the best you can get, its something you have and then can look at the function to figure out why that is. If you see a million function calls, you know you have to lower the bar for that function, but you can still use the numbers
10:50.06AntiarcI'm pretty sure I know how to use the WoW profiler, doing that whole "writing Omen because KTM was too slow" thing and all :P
10:50.11ZorbaTHutyeah, but why use flawed numbers when it's not too tough to write a profiler that isn't flawed?
10:50.26AntiarcHow exactly do you write a zero-overhead profiler?
10:50.30ZorbaTHutit's better than nothing, but it's not *good*.
10:50.51ZorbaTHutand on something like QH, where some of the internal behavior changes if it's using lots of CPU, it's of dubious use.
10:51.06nevcairielyou cannot write a zero-overhead compiler, its theoretically impossible =P
10:51.13AntiarcMy point exactly! :P
10:51.18ZorbaTHutyou profile based on realtime. You sample perhaps 100 times a second and check the call stack. There's a bit of biasing in that it'll be weighted towards things deep in a call stack, but you generally don't have very deep call stacks and the weighting can be reduced arbitrarily by reducing sample frequency
10:51.43nevcairiel*profiler i mean, of course
10:51.45ZorbaTHutit's not zero-overhead, but the biasing effect is much smaller and can be minimized arbitrarily if needed. It approaches zero-overhead as necessary.
10:52.08AntiarcI'm generally suspicious of selective profilers, unless you're looking for metrics on a specific problem.
10:52.43ZorbaTHutit's not selective, it still profiles everything
10:52.43ZorbaTHutit's just a probabalistic profiler
10:52.46ZorbaTHutinstead of getting guaranteeably inaccurate results, you get probabalistically correct results
10:53.14ZorbaTHutbut with a few thousand samples you tend to pin down the trouble area pretty fast, and at 100 or 1000 samples/sec that goes pretty fast
10:54.19ZorbaTHutthe Google Perftools do this (as well as output a totally awesome graph of CPU usage) - I highly recommend them, it's the best profiler I've ever used
10:54.51Antiarcbleakhouse 4 lyfe! :P
10:54.59ZorbaTHutand I modified the Lua Pepperfish profiler to do this as well. With the Pepperfish profiler I actually managed to get a 200x inaccuracy, due to the whole thing being written in Lua. :)
10:55.02Antiarc(you wanna talk overhead, that bad boy adds it :P)
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11:00.16ZorbaTHutsigh. this controller frontend is in my start menu as "Contol Manager". go go quality control :(
11:02.14[m3lin]is there a global wintergrasp addon avaible?
11:02.22[m3lin]or do I need to make one?
11:02.49[m3lin]as in, so that I can see time to start even if Im in Durotar
11:03.04AntiarcNo because it requires a global comms channel and that's rather frowned upon these days
11:03.19AntiarcBy addon devs and users, not Blizzard, mind you
11:03.53nevcairielpeople thought about abusing global defense for that
11:04.17nevcairielsince its full of annoucne spam anyway
11:04.18[m3lin]would be annoying for those not using the addon
11:04.27nevcairielmeh the whole channel is annoying =P
11:04.42nevcairielthere is always someone attacking some guard
11:05.05[m3lin]well.. in Northrend there's always npcs killing npcs anyway
11:05.25[m3lin]but.. then you could just aswell use a custom channel for it
11:06.42AntiarcThe problem is that custom addon comm channels are annoying as hell :/
11:07.03[m3lin]how can a custom channel that you need to join be more annoying than using say worlddefense?
11:07.33AntiarcThere's a channel slot reserved for defense, but I have to burn a custom channel slot for <addon here>
11:07.47ZorbaTHutit seems like a global comm channel library might not be a bad idea
11:07.54AntiarcLike Ace2? :P
11:07.58AntiarcOr was it Ace1 that did that.
11:08.00AntiarcI forget.
11:08.07[m3lin]true - problem tho - not all have access to chat in WorldDef
11:08.12AntiarcOne of them had a comm library that maintained a global comms channel
11:08.30[m3lin]Id guess hardly anyone have the rights these days
11:08.37[m3lin]its an old legacy from the old honor system
11:08.42AntiarcYou could just use non-printable characters tacked onto the end of messages in general, plus party/guild synching
11:08.49AntiarcYou don't need to transmit very much data
11:09.12[m3lin]nope, I just need to transmit a number
11:09.25[m3lin]and I can do that binary if I use 2 non-printable characters
11:09.44zenziowasn't someone already making a Wintergrasp timer addon?
11:09.55[m3lin]but wont general chat etc be spammed with blank messages if I do that? :D
11:10.03AntiarcAdd it to legit messages
11:10.21AntiarcAll it takes is one person with the addon to say anything in general per cycle
11:10.26[m3lin]true
11:10.34AntiarcThen everyone listening for that data will pick it up, distribute it to party and guild
11:10.51[m3lin]I was gonna make the addon just store the last seen timer message, and if its over 2 hours old, ignore it
11:11.25[m3lin]ah true - I can re-distribute the data.. and everytime you pick it up from say party/guild, you send it on to party/guild - depending on where it came from
11:11.50AntiarcRight.
11:12.02AntiarcIt'd take critical mass to work, which is the problem with these sorts of addons
11:12.06[m3lin]tho only distribute if I have "fresh" data, as in - less than 2 hours old (it's 2 hours between each battle?)
11:12.10AntiarcBut if you can hit it, the data would spread very virally
11:12.17ZorbaTHutit also might be very vulnerable to malicious data injection :)
11:12.26AntiarcWell, any synched data system is, really
11:12.44AntiarcIn WoW anyhow.
11:13.00[m3lin]I can make a log to it, so that if you realize yer being messed with, check who messes with you and ignore that user
11:13.04ZorbaTHutyeah, unless you start doing wacky things with reputation systems
11:13.16ZorbaTHutm3lin, well, that'd be the problem
11:14.09AntiarcYou wouldn't know the source in a viral data distribution model
11:14.16[m3lin]true
11:14.26AntiarcA transmits malicious data to General, is picked up by B, C, D, and E, who distribute to their guilds
11:14.30ZorbaTHutmalicious user joins group X, broadcasts a fake time, dude from group X echoes it to guild Q, guy in guild Q echoes it to party Y, guy in party Y echoes it to your guild, you receive obviously-bogus data and blacklist the poor guildmember
11:14.33ZorbaTHutthere *are* ways of handling this
11:14.34ZorbaTHutbut they involve cryptography in Lua
11:14.34AntiarcGuild recipients don't know that A originated it
11:14.46ZorbaTHutand I don't know about you but I have no interest in implementing public-key crypto in Lua
11:14.52AntiarcThe question is whether its worth it, to which the answer is "no" :P
11:14.57AntiarcI think someone did at one point
11:15.01AntiarcI'd have to go digging for it
11:15.01[m3lin]but.. all it takes is that a correct time is picked up from user B a fraction of a second later, and its corrected soon enough
11:15.10AntiarcAssuming you can trust B :)
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11:15.24smoke_can anyone check this function http://pastebin.com/m7f02c50a
11:15.24[m3lin]=)
11:15.26ZorbaTHutI actually had a very neat idea that I'd need Lua PKI for
11:15.32ZorbaTHutbut I couldn't prove it was possible even with PKI
11:15.47smoke_my scroll frame isnt scrolling i dont know why :/
11:16.03smoke_the mousewheel or up/down buttons arent calling my onScroll() function
11:17.07[m3lin]anyway.. ZorbaTHut, Antiarc - any idea how I can pick up the timer from WinterGrasp area?
11:17.43AntiarcYou'd have to check the label on the timer thingie if you're in WG, or parse the gossip text from the mage in Dalaran
11:18.08[m3lin]get the gossip text is easy
11:18.25[m3lin]trigger gossip_open, check target name and voila, grab text
11:18.58[m3lin]guess I need to figure out the name of the frame in WG then :P
11:20.29ZorbaTHutI'm kind of surprised that the data isn't just available
11:20.50ZorbaTHutit seems like someone at blizzard would have said "oh hey, it's really annoying not knowing when wintergrasp starts"
11:21.02ZorbaTHut"let's just make a little bit of text when you're looking at Wintergrasp on the map"
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11:25.01[m3lin]you mean a GetWGStartTime()
11:25.03[m3lin]or sort of
11:25.31nevcairielsomeone probably said that, but the map doesnt support stuff like that =P
11:26.01ZorbaTHutnev, I suspect blizzard is capable of fixing that. ;)
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11:26.27ZorbaTHutI mean they've already got the two ships flying around in Icecrown
11:26.28nevcairielsure, but its not like they idle waiting for a task to popup
11:26.33[m3lin]why not.. the time is avaible somewhere.. its in the gossip from the npc
11:26.58AntiarcSure, but not to the UI :P
11:27.02ZorbaTHutI dunno. It seems like an obvious feature, or at least an obvious thing to make easy for mod writers
11:27.09AntiarcGossip text comes from the server directly, AFAIK
11:27.19[m3lin]no, but we're saying it should be easy to implement
11:27.24AntiarcOh, no argument
11:27.31[m3lin]=)
11:27.32AntiarcBut lots of things are easy to implement :P
11:27.42ZorbaTHutI mean, obviously it wasn't obvious enough, but ;)
11:27.53[m3lin]true - like remove the gnomes..
11:28.01[m3lin]I hate pvp against them.. so hard to spot
11:28.14nevcairielplay one, then you dont have to anymore
11:28.39[m3lin]tried alliance on Argent Dawn (EU) lately?
11:29.17nevcairielthere is other realms too, if you switch faction there is nothing holding you on a realm :)
11:29.22[m3lin]AD is an RP realm.. alliance have some funny characters... like Vulcanus - who is infamous for tentacle-raping female characters, he also have a railgun hidden under the cathedral
11:29.48AntiarcIt's people like that who make me sad to be on an RP server
11:30.01[m3lin]Im horde myself :P
11:30.10|pez|I'm on a RP server, but there's very little RP on it from what I can tell.
11:30.22[m3lin]AD have quite alot of RP going on
11:30.37[m3lin]its the first RP realm in europe so it got some steady traditions going
11:30.45zenzioRP isn't necessarily in-your-face, you can get around a lot without noticing it
11:30.53ZorbaTHuthey who wants to roleplay! my character is the son of Illidan and Katrana Prestor
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11:31.14ZorbaTHutwhen I was 14 I killed Arthas and took his sword, and when I was 18 I merged with Naruto to get his powers
11:31.20ZorbaTHutwhy doesnt anyone want to rp with me ;.;
11:31.32zenzioI do!
11:32.08[m3lin]I gotta find a recent forum post on the AD forum, a new alliance dude looking for an evil guild - his info is epic..
11:32.55[m3lin]ok, his name is "Tristan" (as in Tristan and Isolde for those with an education :P) - "I wasn't always like this. My father was a Demon. One day in a small gathering my father thought it would be funny to kill 2 people there. One of them was me. So I got a knife and stabed him in the stomach. Apparently that wont kill a Demon, but it felt good. So I slaughtered him, then my mother, then the rest of the people in the room. So it wasnt my f
11:33.10[m3lin]I guess that text got cut.. it looks too long here
11:33.47zenziojust link it :)
11:34.22[m3lin]http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=7373160659&sid=1 - he claims to be joking :P but since its alliance on Argent Dawn, you never know
11:34.36[m3lin]there's a a LOT of demon-spawned characters on alliance AD
11:35.04zenziothere was a guy on my previous realm (PvE) who always posted on the forum as if he was roleplaying. His name was Hoofit, and he'd perpetually refer to himself in his posts as "the hoof"
11:35.46[m3lin]an other epic thread on AD is http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=7372940378&sid=1 - a guy rolls need on an item looted by ML, he, after winning, realizes its a BoE item and decides to check its worth first - without telling people :P and then he sells it for 3k (or plans to)
11:36.03[m3lin]=)
11:36.15[m3lin]well.. Ive been proven that Chuck Norris is one hell of a fighter..
11:36.31[m3lin]I ran into a "Chucknorris" in WSG once - he kicked my ass seriously
11:40.21smoke_is there an ingame addon debugger that i can see which functions are being called?
11:41.12[m3lin]add debugging code
11:41.30[m3lin]ChatFrame1:AddMessage("Now function whatevah! was called, neet aint it?")
11:41.50[m3lin]put that (with different messages) at the functions you wanna check if they are called or not
11:41.53Elkanohe could simply use print ^^
11:44.33[m3lin]true :P
11:45.03[m3lin]anyway.. Im not using an .xml file with my addon, how do I make it trigger chat_msg_addon?
11:45.59zenzioyou create a frame from Lua and register for the events you want
11:46.19[m3lin]*doh* I knew that
11:51.30[m3lin]heh - monitoring the addon messages, Im being spammed with "Crb" and "WM" prefixes :P
11:53.32[m3lin]CRB seems to send me people's combatstats.. over whispers - for what reason?
11:54.27[m3lin]getting spammed with messages with scarlet mob names in it from a friend currently in SM
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12:06.01[m3lin]why.. are those addons sending messages over the whisper channel?
12:06.42nevcairielthey made a mistake =P
12:07.06nevcairielthere is a addon whisper channel, too
12:07.20[m3lin]I know..
12:07.32[m3lin]but whats the logic in sending combat logs over whispers? :P
12:07.48[m3lin]Id understand it over party/raid for dps meters etc
12:07.51[m3lin]but whispers?
12:08.01[m3lin]I was in dalaran and saw the damage my friend did on mobs in SM..
12:08.12zenziodo you know which addons it is?
12:09.32[m3lin]Carbonite probably
12:09.43[m3lin]both players sending Crb messages to me are using it
12:10.00[m3lin]the other messages I got was prefixed WIM
12:10.14[m3lin]and only info on what sort of messages he was sending and/or getting
12:10.18ZorbaTHutI wonder if carbonite is spamming his entire guild or something
12:13.38[m3lin]hmm.. when sending this message the viral way, I should flag it right?
12:14.08[m3lin]as in, the first sender creates a random 15 char flag and attaches to the data
12:14.37[m3lin]so that, if the message comes back to him after being routed around, it will be ignored and not sent on - if it has the same flag
12:16.11[m3lin]if not - there is a huge risk of getting delayed time data due to latency and lag between people
12:16.40[m3lin]100ms between two players or so, when routed 500 times that delay is 500*100ms - 50.000ms - 50 seconds
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12:22.54ZorbaTHutI'd recommend setting it up so that clients won't transmit *any* data within one minute of sending a batch out
12:23.11[m3lin]not a bad idea either
12:23.21[m3lin]will lower the cpu demand from the addon aswell
12:23.29ZorbaTHutalso, don't transmit the time-until-next-Wintergrasp
12:23.36ZorbaTHuttransmit the server time that the next Wintergrasp is scheduled to start
12:23.36ZorbaTHutthat way you're immune to lag
12:24.32[m3lin]you mean I should get the time until next, and calc. server time of start?
12:25.44[m3lin]not a bad idea, and yea - would make me immune to lag
12:29.39ZorbaTHutalso might be  good idea to set it up so that clients retransmit randomly 10-20 minutes after their last received message
12:29.49ZorbaTHut(randomly so that they don't all packetstorm each other at the same time)
12:30.35ZorbaTHutmight start getting overcomplicated for a first version, though :)
12:32.30[m3lin]nah I'll have it transmit to the channels that it didnt get the message from when it gets a message - as in, if it comes from guild, send to friends, party/raid etc - but not guild (since guild already got it)
12:33.04ZorbaTHutwell, the reason to retransmit is in case someone logged on after the last transmission
12:33.10[m3lin].. true..
12:33.20ZorbaTHutbut it'd probably be better to just ignore that for now
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12:33.43[m3lin]I'll label each message aswell, as described above - to avoid to route it around too much
12:34.10ZorbaTHutyeah, good idea
12:35.44[m3lin]cause I can see a danger in getting my own distributed message back to me through: I send to guild, someone in guild sends to his party, one in that party has me on friends and sends to me - I would then send to guild again and it starts all over, unless I label them
12:37.15ZorbaTHutwell, the transmit-only-every-minute code would fix that as well
12:37.20Dezzimalhash the current time and your name!
12:37.32ZorbaTHutbut yeah, tossing an identifier on isn't a bad idea
12:38.03[m3lin]how do I hash in wow lua?
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12:38.18[m3lin]I was thinking of just randomizing a 15 char code or something
12:43.41ZorbaTHutrandomizing is fine
12:43.44ZorbaTHutthere's no built-in hash
12:49.29[m3lin]wrote all functions down on paper - doesnt sound like a hard addon to make, should be done sometime today :D
12:50.37smoke_can someone check http://rafb.net/p/l3ZHTG46.html and let me know why my scrollbar wont do anything?
12:51.06ZorbaTHutyeah, it seems rather simple, once you untangle how to retrieve the time
12:51.13ZorbaTHutthat oughta be the only tricky bit
12:51.32[m3lin]only tricky from WG info frame
12:51.37[m3lin]the gossip part is easy
12:52.38[m3lin]btw, a local variable, is it accessible all over the addon, just that file, just the particular function?
12:52.52Dezzimalfunction
12:53.40[m3lin]ok
12:54.07DezzimalGlobals are a last resort, pass locals between functions etc compsci101
12:54.23[m3lin]yea I wont use globals
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12:54.52[m3lin]just want the variable accessible in my own addon, will  make a function if any other addon maker wanna access it, tho I doubt it
12:56.43[m3lin]is there _any_ chance GetGossipText will return 0 if the player has latency?
12:56.56[m3lin]return nil*
12:59.43WobinCairenn|afk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30938059@N08/sets/72157611997298623/
13:04.34[m3lin]collectgarbage() - does that save info to the variable files etc? (savedvariables)
13:09.56zenzioWobin: you're an aussie, right?
13:10.01Wobinyeh
13:10.16Antiarc[m3lin]: No, you can only force a savedvars flush by reloading the UI or logging out
13:10.30Antiarc[m3lin]: collectgarbage invokes Lua's garbage collector to reclaim unused memory
13:10.40zenzioWobin: it's a long shot I guess, but you don't happen to know the conditions for/where to look for info about obtaining a work visa for Australia?
13:10.49Fisker-Antiarc!
13:11.04Wobinhm
13:11.06Wobinfrom where?
13:11.07Antiarcwat
13:11.15zenzioWobin: Norway
13:11.38zenzioI'm sure I'll find it if I just dig around; but I'm lazy ;)
13:12.17WobinI don't know offhand, but I could ask
13:12.46zenzionah, don't worry about it, I'll have a look around :-)
13:17.45[m3lin]bah.. is there any smooth function that lets me add minutes to a time string and thus get a new time from it? or do I need to make one?
13:19.39[dRaCo]use unix timestamps and add 60*x?
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13:24.23[m3lin]hmm.. how do I get GetGameTime to a timestamp and after adding minutes, back to a time string again?
13:26.11[dRaCo]os.time and os.date
13:26.47[dRaCo]that is, if GetGameTime returns a properly formatted time string
13:30.07[m3lin]it returns two strings, hour and time
13:30.12[m3lin]so I can make a timestring of it
13:30.22[m3lin]h,m = GetGameTime()
13:32.34[m3lin]calling os.time(values) returns an error, os.time aint a function etc
13:34.54[dRaCo]it's from the lua manual :/
13:35.02[dRaCo]prolly disabled in wow or something
13:35.10[dRaCo]guess you've gotta do it manually
13:35.22[dRaCo]that's like 4 lines of code, though
13:36.49[dRaCo]SecondsToTime should convert a timestamp to a string, though
13:36.58[dRaCo]this time taken from the WoW API reference
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13:38.23[m3lin]yup
13:38.37nevcairiel[m3lin]: the whole os.* namespace is gone in WoW Lua, it is available as plain "time()" iirc
13:38.45[m3lin]ok
13:38.47MackatackGetTime() might be handy aswell
13:38.58[dRaCo]gettime() is system uptime, isnt it?
13:39.01Mackatackit's your system uptime
13:39.03Mackatackyeah
13:39.08nevcairieltime() is local time, GetGameTime() is server time
13:39.12nevcairieljust to clarify :)
13:40.30[m3lin]anyone know if GameTime displays midnight as "24" or "00"?
13:41.23nevcairiel0
13:41.29[m3lin]ok
13:42.10[m3lin]well, it turned out to an 10 line code with all math and stuff to get the time from the gossip added to current game time, with a check that I dont get a time like 27:76
13:42.25[m3lin]now I just need WG to end so I can test it :P
13:45.08MackatackAnyone know when one is allowed to target a unit programmatically?
13:45.24Olorinnever
13:45.48selckincan edit a macro out of combat and make ppl use that
13:46.46Mackatackis it possible to run a macro from lua?
13:47.01selckinno
13:47.34[m3lin]just make secured frames?
13:47.45[m3lin]oh.. you want auto-target
13:47.47Olorinblizzard doesnt want you to be able to target or cast spells depending on certain events
13:47.52Mackatacktheres a mod (thought it was DBM) that allows you to select the flag carrier in wsg, any idea how they did that?
13:47.56[m3lin]the only auto-unit thing you can do is follow units
13:48.26[m3lin]as Olorin said, Blizz actually want you to play the game =)
13:48.38Olorinindeed and im glad of that
13:48.59[m3lin]me too
13:49.11Mackatackvery true ;)
13:49.22[m3lin]you cant even toggle the actionbar from 1 to 2 per auto when in combat =)
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13:49.25Olorinallowing botting would only lead to events that cant be done without bots due to reaction time of a prgoram
13:49.53Ian_corneanyone know of an addon that lets me connect to an irc channel?
13:50.03Ian_cornenetwork*
13:50.05[dRaCo]not possible.
13:50.15[m3lin]wow cannot communicate with stuff outside of WoW
13:50.23Ian_corneok :)
13:50.27selckinwindowed mode + 2 monitors
13:50.30Ian_corneit can write to a file tho?
13:50.34[m3lin]no
13:50.41Olorinno data can leave or enter the ui apart from variables which are only loaded and saved at ui load and camping out
13:50.42[dRaCo]not directly
13:50.46[m3lin]it saves to files when the UI is reloaded or you logout/quit
13:50.53Mackatackyeh, still... DBM does allow you to select the enemy FC in WSG by clicking his name. I just wanted to know how they did that.
13:50.53Ian_corneok
13:51.02tlundcan someone paste the URL for the curse client beta? I have the same problem as reported in about 100 tickets in the tracker - after reinstalling, it only detected about 15 of over 100 addons
13:51.03[m3lin]Mackatack its a secured frame
13:51.12[m3lin]just as the party frames when in a party
13:51.44selckinMackatack: it will only work when you go out of combat after the cap tho
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13:52.01[dRaCo]Mackatack: it's a button with a target macro
13:52.20MackatackOk, it's time i looked into those secured frames then ;)
13:52.23Mackatackthanks
13:53.13melin[]wonder if I should make the trouble to add a feature to my WG timer addon to add an alarm event to the clock 15min prior to next WG
13:53.56melin[]brainfreeze.. server time is CET right?
13:56.38ZorbaTHutdepends on the server, I believe
13:56.50[dRaCo]there are addons showing the time until the next WG battle starts, you're aware of that, aren't you?
13:56.51MackatackEU servers are
13:57.15melin[][dRaCo] such as? I havent found any
13:58.04Codayushttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11940-WintergraspTimer.html
13:58.26CodayusOne of several.  Quite nice.
13:58.39melin[]checking :P
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13:59.32Olorinanyone aware of any changes coming to epic mount cost before I finally get mine lol
13:59.45CodayusOlorin: Don't think there are any.
13:59.50KrapsNaxx woo!!
13:59.57CidanWoot woot
14:00.02CidanGood morning, fellow devs
14:00.03Cidan=D
14:00.12Krapsarachnid quarter last night
14:00.38melin[]Codayus seems nice indeed - know if uses a custom channel or the already existing channels (such as addon channels)
14:00.39OlorinCodayus thanks, didnt wanna find I spent 7k on getitng riding skill/northrent mount then find its lowered lol
14:00.44Krapsof course, i had to leave before the third boss >:(
14:01.14Krapsbut it was awesome!
14:01.37MackatackJust wondering... Who is using EPGP in here?
14:02.13melin[]not me I guess.. cause - what is epgp?
14:02.18Codayusmelin[]: Earlier versions used a custom channel, but that's got a few issues.  Currently just uses raid/party/guild addon channel.
14:02.39CodayusMackatack: Not currently.  I'm familiar with it.  :-)
14:03.01Krapsquestion: what would cause DBM to be off several seconds?
14:03.17melin[]Codayus ah, then its exactly the same thing as I was planning to use :D
14:03.32melin[]then I'll just make a display addon for that one instead
14:03.42melin[]since it seems it didnt have a display function
14:04.03CodayusIt's a data broke plugin.
14:04.06Codayusbroker, even
14:04.28melin[]tells me nothing Im afraid :P
14:04.35Mackatackmelin[]: EPGP is a DKP replacement... It gives players Effort Points (EP) for attending raids etc and gives Gear Points (GP) when loot is handed out. When loot drops the player with highest EP/GP gets the loot.
14:04.52MackatackHowever
14:04.56melin[]ah
14:05.02melin[]then no, I had my own system
14:05.06melin[]called RP
14:05.09melin[]RollPoints
14:05.54MackatackSame as DKP it still has the problem telling who needs the item for mainspec and who needs it for offspec.
14:06.23MackatackJust wondering who was using EPGP in here so i could ask them to test my addon (EPGPLootmaster) http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/epgp_lootmaster.aspx
14:06.24Codayusmelin[]: Oh, um...  Plugin for any LDB display.  NinjaPanel, Fortress, Docking Station, Titan Panel, FuBar with the broker2fubar plugin, others.
14:07.02melin[]ok
14:07.15melin[]I'll just make a small draggable frame addon for myself
14:07.28FoggerAnyone know where the FACTION_BAR_COLORS table is defined in FrameXML? seems it replaced UnitReactionColor in 3.0.2.8962 but I cant find it anywhere.
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14:10.21CodayusMackatack: Looks nice.
14:10.54MackatackFogger: ReputationFrame.lua
14:11.43FoggerMackatack: there we are, thanks!
14:12.21MackatackCodayus: Cheers! im currently stress testing it with my guild in naxx25... seems to work very stable. Just wanted to let the world know about it's existence :P
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14:25.04melin[]Mackatack the system EGPG sounds very nice.. checking out the info on yer addon now =)
14:26.27melin[]Mackatack couldnt it be possible, in your addon, to have the addon for the ML to inspect people's gear on demand? in case they lack the addon themselves?
14:27.30Mackatackmelin[]: Yeah, EPGP already speeds up looting because theres no bidding involved etc. My addon makes looting even faster because theres no need for whispering... looting takes literally seconds
14:28.03Mackatackmelin[]: That could be a good idea, yeah... Thanks for the idea.
14:28.39Krapsneed help http://pastebin.com/d505cf638
14:29.15Krapshttp://pastebin.com/m56be6221
14:29.28MackatackKraps: Busted... Bejeweled, v1.02
14:29.42nevcairielKraps: you are trying to use a wow 2.x addon, go update :)
14:30.10Krapsnevcairiel: which one :) Bejeweled?
14:30.24nevcairielKraps: no idea, somehow your error message doesnt say
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14:31.01nevcairielyou could just text-search all your addons for PanelTemplates_TabResize and look for a call that has the number as first arg (old syntax)
14:32.03Kraps"look for a call that has the number as first arg (old syntax)"... what?
14:32.18Kraps:)
14:33.07KrapsMackatack: disabling bejeweled didnt help
14:33.15melin[]Mackatack I like the system.. mine was almost similiar :P it had the base of the DKP system, as in rewarding attendancy and bosskills etc, but you'd still "roll" on items by whispering need to the ML, any DKP would be added to the roll you made, and if you won, you'd lose the DKP the item was worth - so no bidding
14:34.16cbreakproblem: who decides how much an item is worth? is it worth the same for all people?
14:34.40MackatackKraps: Lol, sorry i confused you... I didn't mean that Bejeweled was causing the error. Just noticed you has it installed... Nevermind me :P
14:34.48melin[]cbreak we had the same value on all epic weapons, all epic armor etc
14:34.52Krapslol
14:35.00melin[]so say armor was 50 points, weapons were 30 etc
14:35.13Krapsi dont use it any more :/
14:35.17cbreaksome weapons are worth more to a healer than a mage.
14:35.27Ian_cornebut even more to a warlock!
14:35.34Mackatack:P
14:35.36cbreakmaybe :)
14:35.39melin[]=) well, it was the system we used and everyone liked it =)
14:35.54Ian_corneyou just need some system to get discussions out of the way :)
14:35.57melin[]any weapon is worth a lot to us hunters, we can use everything and we will given the chance! spellpower ftw
14:36.07cbreakwe used a fixed price dkp system in original wow. it was a pain.
14:36.23Ian_cornepeople stacking up on dkp?
14:36.40cbreakpeople would not roll on minor updates because they didn't want to lose a major item
14:36.41melin[]stacking is always a problem with any dkp system
14:36.47MackatackYeah, theres a decay on the values in EPGP, so people can't stack
14:36.54cbreakpeople got into huge dkp debit because they did roll on minor updates
14:37.04melin[]Mackatack where can I read up on egpg?
14:37.08Mackatacksec
14:37.18Mackatackhttp://code.google.com/p/epgp/wiki/TheSystem
14:37.23cbreakitems got disenchanted despite being useful for the raid
14:37.39melin[]thanks
14:37.41Krapsyou guys are talking about advanced raiding right? because in my guild its just, link what you have if you need it, and the officers decide who needs it most
14:37.43Mackatackyw
14:38.05Ian_cornewell Kraps
14:38.08Ian_corneneeds it most
14:38.27Krapsthe most undergeared
14:38.27Ian_corneif some1 only raids 1/month he'll probably ened it most
14:38.39Ian_cornebut he's not giving anything back in return to the raid
14:39.21melin[]we're not talking advanced raiding, we're talking scheduled raiding with a progress in mind =)
14:39.28cbreakin wotlk, loot is so common, it hardly matters who gets an item.
14:39.35melin[]thus you wanna upgrade those doing the most
14:39.49melin[]well.. I think it sucks that there arent so many patterns
14:39.58cbreakin my guild we just do /random 100 and discuss
14:40.17Ian_cornesame for now for us too
14:40.41Mackatackuse my mod then ;) when EPGP is not installed it will use random roll values
14:41.10KrapsIan_corne: we barely have 10 80s on at the same time, so most everyone gets a chance to raid
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14:48.14Olorinare they putting the swift gryphon mounts on an npc that horde can get to with the next patch ? or just making it so blood elfs for example arnt restricted to stoopid chickens without factioning
14:49.00melin[]Olorin no
14:49.09melin[]they are making it possible for example taurens to ride chickens
14:49.19melin[]they still need exalted with Silvermoon tho
14:49.25cbreakhumans on mech striders
14:49.31melin[]but I guess taurens then will be able to get the pvp chicken etc
14:49.41melin[]same rep-requirements will still rule
14:49.59melin[]any date on the patch?
14:50.05Olorinah ok so still wont be able to get gryphons on horde then?
14:50.12melin[]sure can
14:50.19melin[]Cenarion Expedition, Outland
14:50.20MackatackAny date on the dual spec patch?
14:50.28melin[]exalted, 1600g
14:50.39melin[]my tauren have one
14:51.03alestaneMackatack: We don't even have a date for the patch that's on the PTR now.
14:51.17Mackatacklol, kk :P
14:51.18Olorinah meant normal ones, they are hippogryphs arnt they malin?
14:51.28melin[]ah yes, true
14:51.35melin[]and then, nope - no birds for horde
14:51.45Olorinah ok , thankies, :)
14:52.30melin[]will anyone be able to get the DK flying mount?..
14:59.39MackatackAnyone know if i need to have an inspect window opened to call GetInventoryItemLink("unit", slotId)
15:00.29CidanYes
15:00.33CidanI believe so.
15:00.41Cidanif the unit isn't player.
15:01.33Mackatackk, then... any idea if i can open an inspect window from insecure code?
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15:02.55melin[]hmm.. isnt it possible to store every raiders name in a table together with their raidID - and call it that way?
15:04.01melin[]I know I store them in my threatmeter
15:04.16CidanYes, but the function will fail I believe, unless the inspect window is open
15:04.23Mackatackyou mean when i call it using GetInventoryItemLink('Raid1', slotID) it should work without a inspect window opened?
15:04.31melin[]hmm.. prolly not :P
15:04.33CidanNo, I'm almost positive it won't.
15:04.55Mackatackgood... time to test stuff :P
15:05.54melin[]nah, it returns a nil value if the character frame aint open
15:06.47melin[]I dont know if you can request the data like the blizz code does when opening the inspect window tho
15:06.49Mackatackalso when the unit is in party or raid?
15:07.33melin[]that I dont know, I tried on a random target in Orgrimmar
15:08.04melin[]whats the command to close the inspection frame?
15:15.12MackatackSame in raid/party... need to have inspection window opened...
15:15.57Wobinhehe
15:15.58Wobinhttp://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/12/30gb-zunes-kill.html
15:16.14melin[]hmm.. I guess you can add a button to the UI to make it possible to manually get the gear info - by open the inspect, get info, close inspect - an addon can do that in a second
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15:17.12melin[]as a feature I mean
15:17.16Mackatackmelin[]: yeah... gonna check if i get a disconnect if i automatically inspect the entire raid and get the items off them
15:17.22Mackatack:P
15:17.31melin[]just inspect those that whispers
15:17.42melin[]no need to inspect everyone
15:18.36cbreakwhy go through all those hoops?
15:18.42cbreaklet them link you the item they use now.
15:19.10melin[]easy for them to lie :P
15:19.27melin[]but then, they could just equip a crap item and lie that way aswell
15:19.30Ian_cornethere's an addon that checks the entire raid for enchants
15:19.40Ian_cornesurely you're doing a lesser version of what it does
15:19.51melin[]but - linking items requires more work from the players, and makes it more open for mistakes
15:20.04cbreakso does equiping
15:20.23cbreakone of my kely wipes yesterday was caused by both healers being in full frost res gear...
15:20.26melin[]their gear should already be equipped when its time to loot..?
15:20.43cbreakdepends I guess.
15:20.57cbreakI bet most raiders have more than just one set.
15:21.05cbreakI currently maintain two raid sets
15:21.34melin[]I dont.. Im a hunter :P
15:21.50cbreak... I am a mage...
15:22.39melin[]well.. we cant all be perfect
15:23.16cbreakyes, yes, don't worry. No one hates you because you are a hunter. It's allright.
15:23.22Mackatackyeah, true... Some might have multiple items... however... It's pretty hard to create a good ui that allows you to view all the equipped items and the ones you are carrying in your bags :P
15:23.40cbreakitemrack does it.
15:23.51cbreakif you mouse over a slot, it shows all the alternatives you have in your backpack
15:23.55cbreak(and other bags)
15:23.57Mackatacknot for everyone in your raid?
15:24.03Mackatackhmmm
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15:24.05cbreakno, for yourself of course
15:24.49Mackatackyeah, i could make it so that it shows the current equipped item as icon and show the alternatives on a popup.
15:25.40Mackatackthat should take care of the "mage" problem
15:25.43melin[]however - you could make a minor info addon for everyone to use
15:26.04melin[]Im working on a raid-info addon, not that I plan to use it - but to see if I can make it work properly
15:26.12cbreakor make them link their items... :) (you could cache them)
15:26.20melin[]the plan is to make it inform the RL of people's flasks, potions, gear status etc
15:26.36cbreakand if they win something you could update it automatically
15:26.56cbreak(I'd hate an addon like that on my raids... I have enough things to look out for when leading without watching for pots and stuff :)
15:27.13melin[]cbreak it would inform you on demand, from you
15:27.22melin[]like /raidstatus
15:27.27melin[]and WHAM - lots of info
15:28.08melin[]however - the project seems a bit larger than I thought :P counting that there is a LOT of different potions etc out there
15:28.26Mackatackhowever... everyone in raid would need to have that addon installed... Good luck with keeping everyone updated :P
15:28.37melin[]thats easy in a serious raid guild
15:28.52melin[]not much harder than make sure everyone have the latest CTRA or Threatmeter etc
15:29.01Mackatacki would consider my guild a pretty serious raiding guild... :P
15:29.28nevcairielyou can have the best players in the world, and they would still slack with updating addons <.<
15:29.54melin[]made an addon in TBC that was used by maybe 10-15 people in our guild - it allowed us to search their inventory (if they were online) for items :P
15:30.21nevcairielCTRA/oRA does that already, for raid members anyway =P
15:30.26selckinsince 1999
15:30.53melin[]this was guild only
15:38.10zenzelezzI hate when people call instances "hc" instead of "heroic"... they're not hardcore
15:39.54nevcairielits short for heroic
15:39.58nevcairielHeroiC :P
15:40.17zenzelezzthat's what I mean, it doesn't make sense to shorten it like that
15:40.21nevcairielassuming you find heroic is too long to type, what do you propose?
15:40.43nevcairieli used hero too
15:40.48zenzelezzif I *had* to go with something else, I'd probably use "hero"
15:40.53zenzelezzbut heroic isn't hard to type
15:41.05nevcairielyou know, lazyness has no limits
15:41.18zenzelezzno u
15:41.26ZorbaTHutI hope they add a superheroic mode
15:41.38nevcairielits already in the game
15:41.40nevcairielcalled epic
15:41.46ZorbaTHutyeah, but not actually provided
15:42.06nevcairielthey do the epic way through achievements :)
15:42.48zenzelezzguilde of mine completed Glory of the Hero the other day... had been trying for a long time to get the Anub'Arak thing
15:43.01nevcairieli'm only missing that one
15:43.04nevcairielbut i'm a healer
15:43.05nevcairielso go figure
15:43.27cbreakyou never have problems getting into a group
15:43.32cbreakbut it never goes where you want?
15:43.42nevcairielwaiting for the nerf to it, blue already said they would increase the timer
15:44.27Foggerwill we ever have Heroic Azeroth?
15:44.38Wobinwhat ever happened to just 'H' for heroic?
15:44.41nevcairielprobably not
15:44.54zenzelezzWobin: good question, I'd accept that one
15:45.16nevcairielpeople never used that around here
15:45.42Wobinoh, if anyone's never been to Taronga Zoo, I've got some photos =)
15:45.59nevcairielseen em from your link earlier
15:46.36Wobinwas a weirdish day
15:46.44Wobinwas hot for the first 2/3
15:46.49Wobinthen got terribly cold
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15:46.59nevcairielaussie weather :P
15:47.04Wobins'true
15:47.20nevcairielisnt it like generally very hot this time of year?
15:47.45nevcairiel(while we are freezing here!)
15:47.49Wobinyes!
15:48.00Wobinalthough not as hot as years ago
15:48.03Foggeraye, sat in my coat here..
15:48.14nevcairieltomorrow should go to -15 C here
15:48.26WobinI've never seen -15 here
15:48.35Wobinwe've never really gone below 0
15:48.40Wobinnot in Sydney anyway
15:48.58Wobinit's been a very cold summer though
15:49.05Wobinnormally we hit up to 45
15:49.09Wobinaround this time
15:49.20nevcairielwe max out at about 30-35
15:49.26Wobinbut overall, temp has been lower
15:49.44nevcairielwe've had like the warmest summer ever here
15:49.58nevcairielnot in absolute temp, but in average
15:56.45Wobinnight eveyrone
16:06.26|Jelly|You receive item: [Emblem of Valor]x40. <-- yay! got them back!
16:06.41zenzelezzo_O
16:06.45zenzelezzbought the wrong item?
16:06.54|Jelly|yeah
16:07.02|Jelly|Well, I bought something that I had won an upgrade to.
16:07.18|Jelly|But I was completely drunk so I forgot about them.
16:07.39zenzelezzI'm sure you included those last two sentences in your ticket
16:07.40|Jelly|It was only the exact second that I enchanted the badge boots that I realized "Wait ... these aren't the right ones." and yeah ..
16:07.49|Jelly|Believe it or not, I did.
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16:08.00|Jelly|The GM harassed me about playing drunk.
16:08.08Fisker-why so srs?
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16:11.36Cidanhm
16:11.41CidanI need to find a group to do AQ40
16:19.08|Jelly|I'd go with you
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16:28.32Cidan|Jelly|: I'M SURE YOU WOULD
16:29.04|Jelly|:(
16:29.05|Jelly|I would
16:29.09|Jelly|I've never been
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16:44.14dorbakmorning all --- anyone have a simple "FauxScrollFrame" example that I can study?  The stuff from WoWWiki isn't working for me :(  Thanks in advance.
16:44.44nevcairielman how the hell do you convince your guild to switch to EPGP if they all dont understand the system <.<
16:46.15Shirik~fauxscrollframe
16:46.16purlsomebody said fauxscrollframe was one of the first Lua/XML systems written by Blizzard for the WoW user interface. Its learning curve resembles an inverted L, and Zootfizzle hates it. Along with cogs, it is in the top five on his "dead to me" list. Mikk says: Just use a Slider.
16:46.43Mikknevcairiel: just force it on them. it fricking rocks.
16:46.55Shiriknevcairiel
16:47.09nevcairielat the last, i have to convince the other officers, or they will go ape on me
16:47.10ShirikSame way I convinced my officers to all convert to digital signatures for admin panel on the site
16:47.21ShirikThis is what I said to them
16:47.23nevcairielgranted, they are morons
16:48.02Lyndancing in the moonlight, everybody is dancing in the moonlight *dance* :o
16:48.06ShirikWhat if I dun wanna sad.gif
16:48.06ShirikThat's fine. But keep in mind that the server will lock you out of the ACP for failing to provide a valid certificate in the near future. This is OK, though, as with the new application system in the near future you should rarely need to go in there (promotion/demotion of members should be handled through that system, which won't require ACP access).
16:48.20ShirikIf they don't want to, that's fine, but I'm not letting them in :P
16:49.13nevcairielthats different
16:49.23nevcairielwho cares how the login works
16:50.07nevcairieli cant just force a DKP system on them if noone supports me
16:54.52cbreaktried bribery?
16:55.13cbreakif you don't have any arguments like lesser workload or fairer distribution, that might work instead.
16:55.23nevcairieli did have those arguments
16:55.32nevcairielEPGP is like no work against what we do now
16:55.37cbreakseem to not have been convincing
16:55.49nevcairieli bet most are afraid to lose their current points
16:55.58nevcairielbut i pointed out that with come Ulduar, i would go for a reset anyway
16:56.01nevcairielor rather, a new pool
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16:57.56|pez|So, I've got a naming theme going on with my pets, and then I got a Rhino, and I have no idea what to call it. :\
16:58.32|pez|My cat is called Decoy
16:58.59|pez|And the worm I got was named Bait.
16:59.26cbreakcall it Roadblock... :)
17:00.27Hirsute|pez|: Call it "Distraction"?
17:00.46HirsuteDiversion?
17:01.12|pez|HugeDiversion
17:02.07HirsuteAny way it goes.... I'm not a fan of my Rhino.  If it weren't for how much I enjoy watching him knock mobs back, I'd have abandoned him already.
17:02.21HirsuteHe's so much squishier than my gorilla.
17:02.29cbreak... you are an animal hater...
17:02.35zenzelezz|pez|: "Obstacle"
17:02.45cbreakusing them as long as they are convenient and then abandoning without a second thought
17:02.54|pez|zenzelezz: that one was rather good :D
17:02.57HirsuteNo, I love my gorilla and my kitty.  The Rhino just isn't a good tank.
17:03.40|pez|aawwh, and I got it just because it was a tankerpetthing
17:03.43HirsuteAt least, not compared to my gorilla, and you'd expect him to be at least as good, considering he's an exotic pet.
17:04.07cbreaktry a turtle
17:04.16cbreakthey at least look like they can take some hits
17:05.01HirsuteBut *can* they take hits?  And if so, can they also hold aggro well?
17:05.01|pez|Don't like turtles. :\
17:05.09HirsuteBy the way: I'd love to buy a beast mastery talent that would allow me to ride my pets as mounts.
17:05.37Cidan|pez|: nomnomnom turtles
17:05.40|pez|that'd be sweet.
17:05.41CidanThey're so cute.
17:05.52HirsuteI might get a Devilsaur or Corehound if that were available.
17:05.59HirsuteRiding a Devilsaur would be boss.
17:06.12|pez|Hirsute: you can tame a pet that looks like the PvP wolf mount.
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17:07.18HirsuteI tried taming one of the oil-covered wolves the other day.  It doesn't stay oil-covered.  Made me sad.
17:07.52|pez|Awwh
17:08.02HirsuteBecaause they look freaking awesome when they're that black.
17:08.14cbreaktried to tame a penguin?
17:08.40|pez|Don't think you can?
17:08.47|pez|that's a no.
17:08.48cbreakI don't know.
17:08.48HirsuteI haven't.  I didn't think they were tabeable.
17:08.58Hirsutes/tabeable/tameable/
17:09.00cbreakthere are some that attack you during the ring of blood
17:09.11HirsuteMy fingers apparently have a cold.
17:09.15Olorinthats kinda a shame, coulda called it danny
17:09.20cbreakand I can't imagine that they are anything but beasts
17:09.30HirsuteI'd have named mine "chicken"
17:09.49Hirsute</obscure_reference>
17:13.27|pez|Oh, I was in my first heroic today! XD ... TBC Heroic.. but still. :P
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17:47.35foxlit/. cookie: "Things equal to nothing else are equal to each other."
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17:49.04zenzelezzI like how Slashdot also has X-Bender header fields
17:49.20Dewinor X-Fry or... :)
17:49.32zenzelezzI've only seen X-Bender, but I didn't exactly check often
17:50.21foxlithttp://web-sniffer.net/?url=slashdot.org&submit=Submit
17:50.22DewinI wrote a script to HEAD / HTTP/1.0 so I can scan through them
17:50.42zenzelezzwhy 1.0?
17:50.53foxlitSaves you from adding a Host: header
17:50.56Dewin^
17:51.11zenzelezzif it's a script that doesn't exactly matter much
17:51.29foxlitYou're underestimating the laziness of people who write scripts.
17:51.45foxlitX-Powered-By:Hamster/2.0; X-Hamster-Time:0.000634
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18:32.46cbreakanyone here using rating buster?
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18:42.58Mike-N-Gocbreak: I do.
18:43.27cbreakdo you have any problems with it? There's an error in the embedded stats lib
18:44.06cbreakfor some reason NUM_GLYPH_SLOTS is nil in my wow... I have no idea if that's caused by an addon or is bad documentation on wowwiki, but ratingbuster's lib relies on it
18:44.46durcynthat should've been fixed a week ago, are you running the latest?
18:44.48Mike-N-GoDo a search on the wow folder for NUM_GLYPH_SLOTS?
18:45.14Mike-N-GoOr disable RB and key /run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(NUM_GLYPH_SLOTS)
18:45.24Mike-N-GoAnd see if it is nil or not.
18:45.29durcynMike-N-Go: it's part of the blizzard UI, but it's in the Blizzard_GlyphUI LOD stub
18:45.58cbreakso it's not set.
18:46.18durcynnot until glyph ui loads, no.
18:46.23cbreakI made RB use GetNumGlyphSockets() instead
18:46.28cbreakseems to work so far
18:46.49durcynanyway, that issue should've been fixed some time last week
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18:47.19cbreakweird. I use r9 from that wowace page
18:47.25cbreaksince the one on curse is ancient
18:47.41cbreakno
18:47.44cbreakwrong project :)
18:47.52cbreakr195
18:48.20durcynpoke whitetooth then, i thought i saw something in #wowace about NUM_GLYPH_SLOTS already though
18:53.08Mikkcbreak: RB is yours?
18:53.19cbreakthe addon? no.
18:53.23Mikkdang
18:53.27cbreakI am just a happy user :)
18:54.30nevcairielits whitethooth's, he hangs around in #wowace though
19:02.03Mikkhttp://www.wowace.com/projects/rating-buster/tickets/12-option-for-display-of-mp5-from-replenishment-on-intellect/
19:02.06Mikk^ vote plix :o)
19:02.20nevcairielfrom replenishment?
19:02.22nevcairielwtf :P
19:03.52Mikkmore intellect = higher max mana = more gained from replenishment (which is a % of your mana per tick)
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19:06.04Fisker-until Blizzard nerfs it :3
19:06.44Kirovmeh
19:06.53Tullernacho time
19:07.02MikkFisker-: huh? something announced or are you just trolling?
19:07.14Kirova lot of the 3.0 changes seem to be around the idea of making mana a non-issue for normal situations.
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19:07.31Fisker-How is that trolling Mikk ?
19:07.46Fisker-But no it's not annonced
19:07.48Fisker-announced*
19:07.54MikkKirov: no shit, moonkins cannot oom with replenishment & JoW up. ever.
19:08.11nevcairielI wish healers could benefit from JoW
19:08.22Mikkwand moar
19:08.26Fisker-^^
19:08.30Fisker-Just wand through the whole fight
19:08.45nevcairieli have no wand!111
19:08.58nevcairieli could go and melee
19:08.59Fisker-throw relics at it then
19:09.14Mikknevcairiel: i melee the fights that i can when my druid heals :o)
19:09.21Mikkclearcast procs galore! :)
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19:10.26Fisker-but as a druid you're the most overpowered class nevcairiel
19:10.32Fisker-just pew pew some innervates on yourself
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19:11.25Mikknot really though. resto druids have real mana issues in fights
19:11.41Mikkmuch more so than holy priests that just stand around stopcasting GH and scream "lol, full mana"
19:11.55zenzelezz"take more damage, this is boring" is what they keep telling me
19:12.52NightHawkTheSanei stand in cleaves on trash so i have -someone- to heal.
19:15.23NightHawkTheSanelast night. me and a prot pally duoed the last 10% of heigan.
19:15.25mikmacairenn|afk: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/395918.gif
19:15.29NightHawkTheSanethat was the most boring 15 minutes of my life.
19:15.49Tewanmikma, heh
19:16.00NightHawkTheSanemikma: nice :)
19:22.52dorbakis it possible to open up a tradeskill window (say, first aid) via lua?  I've tried ShowUIPanel(TradeSkillWindow), but it only opens up the last tradeskill that opened up, and (apparently) does nothing if I haven't opened one up yet.
19:23.15Tekkubno, it's a spell, spells require clicks
19:23.33durcynyou can do it out of combat with CastSpellByName("tradeskill")
19:24.20dorbakThank you
19:24.22Mikkdzang, you can
19:24.25Mikkor hm
19:24.31Mikkdoes that work without an event
19:24.33Mikkprolly not eh
19:24.52Mikknope, doesnt
19:43.35foxlitCSBN has been unusable for a long, long time
19:44.37nevcairielall you can use CSBN for is casting tradeskills, but only on button click events
19:44.43nevcairielafaik
19:44.47nevcairielmaybe that was disabeld too
19:44.49nevcairieli dont know
19:45.11foxlitI assume it was entirely protected from being called from insecure code.
19:45.22durcynonly during combat lockdown
19:45.27nevcairielits not exactly hard to create a secure button
19:45.50foxlitnevcairiel: obviously, but then you don't do CSBN("stuff")
19:46.01nevcairielyeah
19:51.50foxlitHm, interesting
19:51.58foxlitCastSpellByNaming("Tradeskill") works, even in combat
19:52.07foxlits/ing/e/
19:52.22foxlitCastSpellByName("Horn of Winter") fails horribly, no matter if you're in lockdown or not
19:52.24nevcairieloh well
19:52.34foxlit(given hardware input, at least -- used a /run macro)
19:52.51nevcairielyeah that was changed some tim,e in pure 2.0 you could CSBN out of combatlockdown freely
19:52.57nevcairieli believe 2.1 locked it
19:53.14Tekkubit was locked before BC went live
19:53.36foxlitIt required a hardware event before BC went live
19:53.53nevcairielwell i meant with hardware event, of course
19:58.07malikeyewhere can I look at logs ?
19:58.17zenzelezzhow people had patience for the Wintersaber in the old days I can't understand
19:58.18malikeyeI am sending my slashcommand and nothing happens
19:58.37malikeyethere a way to tell if it even registered ?
19:58.53nevcairieldoes nothing happen or do you get the "type /help ...." message?
19:59.08malikeyeyes. the /help again
19:59.19nevcairielthen it didnt register properly
19:59.25malikeyek
20:04.42malikeyeso I run the lua files through the interpreter and they come back clean... how am I supposed to be debug this ?
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20:05.25zenzelezzpastey the part of your code where you (attempt to) register the slash command?
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20:10.58malikeyezenzelezz, http://truecredit.com
20:11.01malikeyewoops :)
20:11.09malikeyedon't go there, they suck :)
20:11.53malikeyehttp://wowuidev.pastey.net/105430
20:13.39zenzelezztry just placing it right in the lua, outside the function
20:13.55malikeyehuh ?
20:14.13zenzelezzthe slash command part
20:15.25malikeyehmm, didn't work
20:16.00zenzelezzstill getting the "Type /help" message?
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20:17.13malikeyeyeppers
20:17.21malikeyeI movved it down further too, no dice
20:17.34nevcairielYou sure your Lua is loaded before the xml?
20:17.37zenzelezzhm, don't know then, it looks correct
20:17.38nevcairieland that the xml is actually loaded?
20:20.03malikeyethe lua is before the xml in the toc, and I have no idea if the xml is being loaded
20:20.10malikeyeit's supposed to be
20:20.37nevcairielcheck your Logs\FrameXML.log
20:20.42nevcairielif it has entries to your addon
20:21.14malikeyecounldn't parse xml
20:21.24zenzelezzwell there you go
20:21.27malikeyecool, at least something to look at :)
20:21.50malikeyea little vague but
20:22.09nevcairielwell pastey the full xml file, and we could help you
20:22.26malikeyepfft, and give away trade secrets?
20:22.29malikeyeI think not :)
20:22.36ScytheBlade1Then we can't really help you
20:22.50malikeyealready have
20:25.24Mackatackopen source trade secrets... lol
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20:31.41malikeyeworks now, thanks
20:41.18IrielYou SO dont need the xml there
20:42.18Irielhttp://wowuidev.pastey.net/105433
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20:45.41zenzelezzor just do it all in XML!
20:45.50zenzelezzShirik would approve
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21:04.55malikeyehmm, don't even need xml at all... some of these addons do some crazy stuff and don't have xml
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21:15.59Shirik~x es en queso
21:16.39Shirikzenzelezz: You are bad
21:16.39ShirikI hate you
21:16.55zenzelezz=D
21:20.46NightHawkTheSanethe last 10 points of cooking are going to piss me off, aren't they
21:22.23nevcairieli didnt bother leveling them
21:22.27nevcairieli mean, whats the point
21:22.44NightHawkTheSanefish feast will require 450,  yes?
21:24.45nevcairielsure
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21:38.29malikeyewell, my little idea turns into a major project :) I guess that's how it always works
21:38.56AnaralWhat is the Firefox 3 addon that can sync your bookmarks between computers?
21:39.47foxlit"Free Credit Score" "Just 14.95$ per month"
21:40.02foxlitWithin like 200 pixels of each other :/
21:40.28Cairenn|afkAnaral: Foxmarks bookmark synchronizer is what I use
21:40.54bleeterAnaral: I use what Cairenn|afk uses
21:40.59bleeteroh, btw
21:41.06bleeterHAI N HNY ALL!
21:41.06AnaralCairenn Thank. And bleeter.
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21:42.01Cairenn|afkhope everyone is having a good new year so far
21:42.30bleeterask me again after my next coffee ;)
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21:50.01NightHawkTheSanes/coffee/beer/ ;)
21:51.23Shiriknah
21:51.27Shirikbleeter is a coffee man
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21:54.28zariouswowmatrix is a keylogger no?
21:54.44zarioussomebody posted this on our forums
21:56.45pastamancerno it's just lame
21:57.01AnaralThe internet is a keylogger.
21:59.40AnaralAnd on that note I'm going to reboot and reconnect this monitor on my computer.
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22:02.44p3limim bored :/
22:02.56p3limoh btw, Windows 7 is great
22:03.04p3limeven tho its bugged :p
22:03.59zenzelezzwell it's not released, so bugs are to be expected :)
22:04.08zenzelezzI'm just hoping it'll be a new XP, not a new Vista
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22:04.41penner_9090_wer spenndet mir wasss
22:04.45p3limthe beta is not public yet tho, so I shouldnt be suprised
22:04.45penner_9090_bitttttttttteee
22:05.42p3limIt beats Vista bigtime
22:05.56ScytheBlade1p3lim: that's saying a lot, because vista is pretty awesome
22:05.57p3limim for sure gonna go for win7 over xp, atleast after what ive seen the past 3-4 days
22:06.04foxlit/care
22:06.17p3limi tried vista for about two weeks, went back to XP
22:06.33p3limit had some cool features, but overall xp was better
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22:08.58Tekkubabout the only think windows can do that I would consider an "improvement" is the file system...
22:09.09TekkubI.E. GIVE ME REAL SYMLINKS THAT WORK
22:09.18Tekkubmakeln is crap
22:09.37zenzelezzmaybe WinFS will make it in this time around =)
22:10.20Industrialwtb more anime to watch ! http://myanimelist.net/animelist/Industrial&order=4
22:10.22Tekkubhell I'd be happy if I could throw in a second drive/part, format it ext3, and it WORK in windows
22:11.38TekkubIndustrial, I need new shit to watch, either something with a lot of content (read: not necessarily a lot of episodes *coughdbzbleachnaruto*) or something currently airing
22:12.00Industrialeh, one piece?
22:12.00ScytheBlade1zenzelezz: it won't, it was more or less canceled entirely
22:12.17Tekkubwatching, it's about the same as the "filler shows" most the time
22:12.25Industrialhm k
22:12.29Industrialim up to 50, need to download the rest
22:12.41zenzelezzScytheBlade1: really? I must have missed that, I thought it just didn't make it into Vista
22:13.31Tekkub50? fuuuuuuuck
22:13.48ScytheBlade1zenzelezz: oh it's totally gone
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22:14.03IndustrialTekkub: if you have an account there you can diff our lists :P
22:14.03ScytheBlade1zenzelezz: http://blogs.msdn.com/winfs/
22:14.06Tekkub354 here :)
22:14.11ScytheBlade1zenzelezz: check the date on that and see what it says
22:14.20pastamancerpoor poor winfs
22:14.34Tekkuband I'm only like *30* episodes behind currently airing
22:14.34pastamancersome day it will be a real filesystem
22:14.57Tekkubgot sick of waiting for vegapunk to get back to releasing, so I found another group
22:15.30zenzelezzScytheBlade1: thanks, I might have a read around there. Pity though
22:19.10Fisker-They already got that Tekkub :3
22:20.30Fisker-ScytheBlade1 Bill Gates have failed us :(
22:21.43TekkubFisker-, ext3? NATIVLY in windows?  show me where :P
22:22.16Fisker-nah
22:22.17Fisker-symlinks
22:23.12durcynthere's an ext2/3 IFS module, not like you're gonna boot from it though
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22:24.21ShirikNATIVLY!
22:25.40Fisker-Ravencrest lag is terribad
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22:31.03Industrialunrelated question! who does good standup that I haven't yet seen?
22:31.11dorbakRussell Peters
22:31.24Industrialseen it
22:31.32zenzelezzDemetri Martin
22:31.37Industrialseen it
22:31.38dorbakJohnny Bagpipes
22:31.39Industrial:<
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22:43.38NightHawkTheSanehttp://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7655/1230799751088wf7.png
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22:45.20ScytheBlade1nsfw: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/903864836.html (text only)
22:47.02durcynjust.. wow.
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22:54.45Thunder_Childonly 3? fail
22:58.41malikeyewhat's wrong with this loop ? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105440
22:59.42malikeyethe first run of q prints i, but subsequent q's don't get run
22:59.55malikeyeI mean they run, but i doesn't get evauluated for the new q
23:00.09HirsuteBah.
23:00.14HirsuteStupid Cisco Clean Access
23:00.44foxlitmalikeye: there is no magic.
23:01.00foxlitYour code probably gets an error and dies.
23:01.13malikeyeno it works fine
23:01.20malikeyei just doesn't get evaluated
23:01.33foxlitHow do you know?
23:01.40malikeyecause I have triggers
23:01.42smoke_can somoene tell me whats wrong with initScrollbar()  line 397 http://rafb.net/p/AfoJ4h43.html
23:02.00foxlitthen you're not showing your code.
23:02.20malikeyeI took them out
23:03.15malikeyehttp://wowuidev.pastey.net/105442
23:03.17foxlitWhile simplifying your "hey, it doesn't work" code is great, you run the risk of actually taking out what is causing your issue
23:03.44foxlitWhy not replace DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(x);
23:03.58foxlitwith DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(("q=%d i=%d"):format(q,i));
23:04.20malikeyebecause this is day one ?
23:04.21malikeye:D
23:06.04malikeyeit functions, it just doesn't eval i on the second run +
23:07.06malikeyemaybe a while loop would be better, dunno
23:08.12HirsuteHrmmm.  If I wanted to copy an existing table into two other tables, is there a way to do that on one line in lua?  (something like the following, which doesn't work: mybasetable = {....}; mytableone=mytabletwo=mybasetable)?
23:09.56HirsuteThis is purely for my own interest, at this point, as I've changed my approach since this question first came up so I don't need to copy that table into two other tables any more.
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23:10.41foxlitmalikeye: things do not work like that.
23:10.46foxlitIt can't just not evaluate i
23:11.06foxlitNot any more than it can get up, kick you in the ass, and join Fisker- in his quest for world domination.
23:11.50Fisker-can has world domination? :(
23:12.05zenzelezzMaldivia: you're really not helping yourself by cutting out your "secret" code from your pasteys
23:12.17zenzelezzor malikeye
23:12.36malikeyeZeksie, that is the whole function
23:12.39malikeyeugh
23:12.44malikeyezenzelezz, ^^
23:13.13malikeyethe only thing that isn't there is the slashcommand to call it
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23:20.26malikeyesomething needed to be cached, cause once I cycled through all the bank tabs, the loop works
23:23.51foxlitthe loop _always_ worked
23:24.36foxlitYour method of determining whether it "works" was moronic -- if your function call returned nil, you wouldn't see any chat message.
23:25.27foxlitFor all the jun in the global PHP namespace, there's no array_remove :/
23:25.44smoke_can someone help me out with FauxScrollFrame_OnVerticalScroll function?
23:25.50zenzelezzfoxlit: unset?
23:26.15foxlitunset takes a key, unfortunately. So unset+array_search it is.
23:26.29zenzelezzah, I see what you meant
23:26.39zenzelezzthere are some odd "missing" array_X functions, I agree
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23:30.20Shirikrawr
23:31.27Fisker-idk my bff Shirik?
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23:38.59ShirikIriel is causing me problems :(
23:39.17ShirikMy heuristics are matching all addons I have except devtools
23:39.30Shirikbecause devtools has the version number in the title >.>
23:39.37zenzelezzhaha
23:39.43IrielHm..
23:39.54ShirikDon't fix it, it's a good test case that helps me improve the algorithm :P
23:39.56IrielYou should thank me for finding a flaw in your heuristics
23:40.02foxlitYou what the who when?
23:40.14IrielIs it just me or does Undercity Elixir have a mouseover tooltip of "Undercity Elixer" ?
23:40.20IrielSorrty, Underbelly, not Undercity
23:40.27Shiriknice
23:41.05IrielI'd not seen it before, I'll have to pay more attention next time and see if it's the case
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23:46.36ShirikNote to self: When looking for a bug, don't skip over the one-line functions because you think that there's "no way" they can be wrong. You'll be searching for hours
23:47.05Shirikhttp://wowi.pastey.net/105445
23:47.08ShirikI deserve to be shot for that one
23:47.31cbreakthat is sort of ... clear :/
23:47.52Shirikthere should be a warning for that imo
23:48.00Shiriklike "Function has no effect" or something
23:48.06Shiriks/function/method/
23:48.17Irielheh
23:48.17cbreakdead code detection is undecidable :)
23:48.31IrielSome people like to declare all parameters final
23:48.41smoke_can somoene help me out with FauxScrollFrame_OnVerticalScroll()? im having some problems getting my scroll frame to update...
23:48.42Irielthat helps detect that problem
23:48.52cbreakfinal as in constant?
23:48.54cbreakhmm... I don't work with java
23:48.55Shirikyeah
23:49.11Irielcbreak: yes, final means 'assigned once only'
23:49.19cbreaksmoke_: FauxBlahBlah is a huge pain
23:49.35Irielsmoke_: what kind of problems?
23:49.35smoke_you are telling me :(
23:49.54smoke_i dont know if im passing the correct arguments... sec lemme paste on  pastebin
23:50.41smoke_http://rafb.net/p/Upd4jU83.html on line 397
23:51.21smoke_the initScrollBar() seems ok, but when i declare the FauxScrollFrame_OnVerticalScroll() something breaks
23:51.34smoke_or im just not doing something right with it, and nothing happens?
23:51.52Shirikis it just me or are the line numbers in the middle of lines?
23:51.54smoke_was going at it alllast night, and a bit earlier today, im pretty stumped :(
23:52.47smoke_(this is not my addon) i guess it was working wotlk beta but the scrolling broke
23:53.51cbreakyou are passing a string. Are you sure that's correct?
23:54.19smoke_i tried with the frame object or w/e its called in Lua
23:54.36smoke_self.scrollFrame, and it still didnt work
23:54.46IrielI'm not entirely sure what it's trying to do
23:55.11IrielIt's passing too many arguments isn't it/
23:55.36smoke_they changed the fucntion from 2 arguemnts to 4 now i guess
23:55.44IrielIt's supposed to be self, offset, itemHeight, updateFunc
23:55.47smoke_the author of the addon originally was passing 2 arguements
23:56.30IrielThe code you pasted doesn't pass a function, and passes two offsets
23:56.32smoke_the addon basically breaks the combat log into these columns where u can filter source and destination and info
23:56.50IrielLine 104 is the broken one
23:56.58cbreakwhere in framexml is the Faux stuff defined?
23:57.10IrielInterface/FrameXML/UIPanelTemplates.lua:
23:57.14Iriel<PROTECTED>
23:57.29smoke_ooh
23:57.30smoke_i see
23:57.31cbreakthanks
23:58.15smoke_what do i need to pass to FauxScrollFrame_Update
23:58.15IrielOh, hang on
23:58.35IrielI'm talking about 2 differnet functions here 8-)
23:58.42smoke_sorry im really bad w/ Lua/coding in general heh
23:59.00Irielthe call to _Update is probably right,
23:59.11Iriel<PROTECTED>
23:59.46IrielYour problem is that you're passing self.frame.ScrollBar.offset, online 405
23:59.51Irieland not just 'offset'

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