| 00:00.41 | Amarande | so, here I am at 77, almost to 78 and haven't even touched Grizzly Hills or Zul'Drak yet LOL |
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| 00:23.01 | zenzelezz | my god, handing in Dark Iron Residue en masse is painful |
| 00:23.15 | Amarande | zenzelezz: try sunfury signets |
| 00:23.34 | zenzelezz | I don't know, 191 x hand-in is pretty bad |
| 00:23.34 | Amarande | back when I used to turn those in regularly, I would -always- end up with eight or nine that had to be handed in one at a time |
| 00:24.18 | zenzelezz | made one BRD clear, got all the 764 (actually got ~890) Dark Iron Residue I needed... but the NPC only accepts 4 per hand-in |
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| 00:25.30 | Amarande | ouch. |
| 00:26.17 | ZorbaTHut | zenzelezz, you know the trick? get an addon that autocompletes, place the camera so you can right-click on the NPC and left-click on the quest name without moving your mouse, clickclickclickclickclickclick |
| 00:26.30 | ZorbaTHut | it's still slow but it's not nearly as horrifying |
| 00:26.49 | zenzelezz | there are addons that do that? |
| 00:27.10 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it's part of pretty much any quest tracker UI mod. I know BEQL does it, I suspect doublewide does |
| 00:27.23 | zenzelezz | wish I'd checked before I did this ;) |
| 00:27.34 | ZorbaTHut | I leave it turned off in general because I want to read the flavor text, but it's real useful for bulk turnins :) |
| 00:34.51 | Tekkub | Doublewide isn't bloated with stuff like that, it does exactly what it needs to do, make the quest log doublewide |
| 00:35.17 | Tekkub | there's plenty of non-bloat auto-turning addons out there as well |
| 00:37.17 | Thunder_Child | doublewide is bloated with win |
| 00:37.33 | Tekkub | that's not bloat at all |
| 00:37.46 | Tekkub | that's lean nutrious feature |
| 00:46.53 | Iriel | Nothing but smoked in doublewide flavour. |
| 00:49.19 | Thunder_Child | hah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyfhzqhJNbg |
| 00:51.46 | Thunder_Child | "16:49.44Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â DCC send request from sallehud/ received. Trying to get /0B through port SEND..." thats odd |
| 01:41.15 | Tem | So |
| 01:41.24 | Tem | I heard Baron's mount isn't quite so rare anymore |
| 01:41.43 | zenzelezz | think a blue said some time ago it was changed from 5000:1 to 100:1 or something like that |
| 01:42.09 | Amarande | was it ever -really- 5000:1, or was that just by observation? |
| 01:42.29 | Amarande | hell, even Kael'thas' mount was never even as rare as 100:1, right? |
| 01:42.33 | Fisker- | 500:1 to 100:1 |
| 01:42.43 | nevcairiel | chances that low are really hard to get accurately |
| 01:42.49 | Amarande | speaking of which, how many people are needed to run TK at 80? |
| 01:43.14 | Fisker- | 1 |
| 01:43.32 | Amarande | Fisker: you're not telling me Kael'thas can be soloed, are you :P |
| 01:44.33 | Fisker- | No i'm telling you that you can enter the instance 1 person :D |
| 01:44.41 | Fisker- | i.e. obvious trolling |
| 01:44.52 | Aiiane | obvious troll is not obvious? |
| 01:45.04 | Fisker- | Depends on the encounters though :P |
| 01:45.26 | Fisker- | For example Baron Geddon is hard to do fewer players as you increase the risk of getting a class that can't dispel |
| 01:45.36 | Tekkub | I just *love* mailing CDs to people because they're afraid to download shit off the torrentz |
| 01:45.38 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: you need 2 people to build the raid group, though =P |
| 01:46.00 | Fisker- | all torrents on the internet are trojans Tekkub |
| 01:46.02 | Aiiane | Tekkub: like what? |
| 01:46.11 | Amarande | anyway. how many people are needed to beat TK Kael'thas at 80? |
| 01:46.14 | Tekkub | like XP install discs to Trey's sister |
| 01:46.19 | Aiiane | ah |
| 01:46.32 | Tekkub | she's smart enough to us BT, but dumb enough to fear the RIAA/MPAA |
| 01:47.05 | Fisker- | Didn't they just make a statement that they were ceasing civil lawsuits towards users? |
| 01:47.23 | Tekkub | either way it's fucking XP |
| 01:47.40 | Tekkub | MS doesn't sue downloaders, they just try to trick them into installing WGA |
| 01:48.01 | Fisker- | And provide software at low costs to pirates :3 |
| 01:48.13 | Fisker- | Also learn2legit key |
| 01:48.21 | Aiiane | (which is amusing - because if you want to download updates but need WGA, you can just run their "autheticator" on another computer and put in the code) |
| 01:48.27 | Fisker- | <-proud keyswiper from my school |
| 01:48.53 | Corrodias | i'm reasonably sure that one of my virtual machines passes the WGA check. if not, i guess i can just get one from somebody else... |
| 01:48.53 | Fisker- | One would think such code was hardware bound Aii |
| 01:48.56 | Fisker- | One would think such code was hardware bound Aiiane* |
| 01:48.59 | Aiiane | it's not |
| 01:49.19 | Aiiane | because it's the workaround for if you can't use their ActiveX control |
| 01:49.25 | Aiiane | and thus it doesnt require ActiveX running |
| 01:49.31 | Aiiane | and thus their website can't check your hardware |
| 01:50.03 | Fisker- | Anyways |
| 01:50.07 | Fisker- | Legit corp key > WGA |
| 01:50.07 | Aiiane | I know this, because I've used my Vista laptop to generate a code to download something for my XP desktop |
| 01:50.15 | Aiiane | so I think that's a fairly good indication |
| 01:50.27 | Aiiane | that it's not tied to anything remotely related to the actual computer |
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| 01:51.19 | Fisker- | sleep tiems |
| 01:51.21 | Fisker- | remember Tekkub |
| 01:51.23 | Fisker- | you are awesome |
| 01:52.07 | Tekkub | Fisker-, yea I got a legit volume key now |
| 01:52.17 | Tekkub | one tiny perk of a schoolteacher mother |
| 01:52.47 | Amarande | hmm, looks like I'm in a World of Life guild's rogue class chat channel |
| 01:52.48 | Amarande | heh |
| 01:52.54 | Tekkub | give her a pirate version, let it autoupdate to WGA, she gets me a copy of the real deal to install... and copy for myself ^^ |
| 01:53.31 | Amarande | aaarrrgghhhhhh. |
| 01:53.36 | Amarande | I can't believe I saw this in Orgrimmar. |
| 01:53.54 | Tekkub | on that note... http://bookoutlines.pbwiki.com/Predictably-Irrational |
| 01:53.56 | Tekkub | see Chap 3 |
| 01:53.57 | Amarande | someone made themselves a character named Twogirls, and created a guild for it ... :| |
| 01:54.07 | Corrodias | sigh |
| 01:54.10 | Corrodias | don't even say it |
| 01:54.13 | Amarande | I wanna go back to phased player-free Orgrimmar :( |
| 01:54.47 | Amarande | Corrodias: yeah, I don't think it needs to be said :| |
| 01:54.51 | Tekkub | Linux is immensly better than win/osx, because it's free! *snicker* |
| 01:55.00 | Amarande | the sad thing is someone did this as horde |
| 01:55.05 | Amarande | usually horde are more mature than that :| |
| 01:55.53 | Olorin | unfortunately the difference is marginal |
| 01:56.02 | Aiiane | Tekkub: now if only the major companies would develop for it ;P |
| 01:56.07 | Aiiane | major gaming* |
| 01:56.39 | Tekkub | yea, gaming and programming seem to be two big driving factors |
| 01:56.48 | Tekkub | gamers tend to Win cause there's more available |
| 01:57.04 | Tekkub | devs tend towards mac cause of the underlying *nixness |
| 01:57.19 | Tekkub | and the cheap devs go for linux :) |
| 01:57.53 | Aiiane | also, linux is still working on the "streamlined" bit as far as things like installs go |
| 01:58.10 | Aiiane | package managers work fairly well, but they require things to be in the package repository |
| 01:58.18 | Aiiane | which commercial games generally aren't going to be |
| 01:58.19 | zenzelezz | I wish VC++ was cross-platform :-o |
| 01:58.54 | Aiiane | hmm. so basically, what we need |
| 01:58.59 | Aiiane | is a linux version of steam |
| 01:59.09 | Aiiane | with a built in package manager |
| 01:59.10 | Aiiane | :P |
| 01:59.22 | Amarande | zenzelezz: how exactly is VC++ better than GNU C? |
| 02:00.07 | zenzelezz | Amarande: first of all I'm talking C++, not C. But to answer what you probably meant... I love the IDE and the debugger. Beyond that the compiler could be whatever |
| 02:00.54 | Thunder_Child | ~wtf MMA |
| 02:02.52 | Aiiane | Thunder_Child: mixed martial arts? >.> |
| 02:05.22 | Thunder_Child | Aiiane, yes...though i have never heard of a "MMA Writer" |
| 02:05.52 | Amarande | you mean what tends to get colloquially described as 'kung fu'? |
| 02:06.23 | Amarande | It's amazing how many people think that 'kung fu' means some sort of specific martial art |
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| 02:06.36 | Amarande | apparently, if I recall, it literally means 'martial arts' |
| 02:06.49 | Cidan | aroo? |
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| 02:08.41 | mikma | amarande: wut |
| 02:10.11 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Netbeans is getting close to VS in capabilities, though it doesn't have an integrated debugger |
| 02:11.09 | zenzelezz | I thought Netbeans was for Java? |
| 02:11.43 | zenzelezz | there are lots of nice features in the VC++ IDE, but if you remove the debugger then half of it or more is gone; I love that integration |
| 02:12.39 | zenzelezz | strictly speaking it isn't even "VC++" IDE, but "MS Development Environment" or whatever |
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| 02:16.37 | Shirik | zenzelezz: They're getting into other languages too |
| 02:16.45 | Shirik | I have a C++ and PHP module for Netbeans as well |
| 02:16.55 | Shirik | and they support others, just not ones that I have a desire to use |
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| 02:55.12 | Aiiane | Thunder_Child: ping |
| 02:55.42 | Thunder_Child | Aiiane, pong |
| 02:57.30 | Aiiane | do you still have that pic of kaelten holding the sign from blizzcon? |
| 02:57.46 | Thunder_Child | yes, 1 sec |
| 02:58.57 | Thunder_Child | Aiiane, http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/kab.jpg |
| 03:00.57 | Stanzilla | lolz :D |
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| 03:03.09 | Kaso | lol Thunder_Child |
| 03:03.13 | Kaso | thats awesome |
| 03:03.15 | kd3 | rofl |
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| 03:12.54 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
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| 03:13.52 | haste | :D |
| 03:14.11 | faerun | er, hi. quick question: is it possible to change the color of a texture in Lua? I see Texture:GetVertexColor(), but no Texture:SetVertexColor() in the API List |
| 03:14.32 | ScytheBlade1 | :SetTexture() |
| 03:14.42 | ScytheBlade1 | :SetTexture(r, g, b, a) to be specific |
| 03:14.49 | Tem | um |
| 03:14.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It doubles as a hard color or texture path |
| 03:15.01 | Tem | I'm 80% sure textures have SetVertexColor |
| 03:15.03 | Tem | look again |
| 03:15.07 | faerun | I understood that it would replace the texture with a solid tint |
| 03:15.17 | faerun | from WoWWiki: |
| 03:15.17 | faerun | Texture:SetTexture("texturePath" or r, g, b[, a]) - Sets the texture to be displayed from a file or to a solid color. |
| 03:15.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, I should have read the rest of the question |
| 03:15.27 | Tem | s/80/100/ |
| 03:15.35 | Aiiane | faerun: you might just try using SetVertexColor |
| 03:15.44 | Aiiane | with what would be logical arguments |
| 03:15.44 | Tem | I'm 100% certain SetVertexColor exists |
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| 03:15.54 | Aiiane | wowwiki might just be missing it |
| 03:16.00 | faerun | hm ill try |
| 03:16.18 | Tem | or he's looking in the wrong place |
| 03:16.26 | Tem | remember that textures are LayeredRegions |
| 03:16.47 | faerun | i checked http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API for all occurences of 'color' |
| 03:17.04 | zenzelezz | well it does exist |
| 03:17.14 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture |
| 03:17.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ look there |
| 03:17.19 | Iriel | SetVertexColor does indeed exist |
| 03:17.44 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_LayeredRegion_SetVertexColor |
| 03:18.47 | faerun | trying to do a script for kgpanels, but he won't accept self:SetVertexColor(). does anyone happen to know what 'self' refers to in the kgpanels scripting? |
| 03:19.20 | ScytheBlade1 | The frame is likely |
| 03:19.27 | ScytheBlade1 | But offhand I doubt anyone does |
| 03:19.53 | faerun | there was this example from http://www.wowace.com/projects/kg-panels/pages/sample-scripts/, which does not seem to work for textured panels |
| 03:20.08 | faerun | as it uses SetBackdropColor |
| 03:20.10 | nevcairiel | yeah self is probably the frame itself, which is only a region, not a LayerdRegion |
| 03:20.34 | faerun | how can I get to the layeredregion then? |
| 03:21.09 | Tekkub | you know, it's too bad I have nothing to ramble about on a regular basis |
| 03:21.12 | Tekkub | I could make a blog |
| 03:21.18 | Tekkub | "Tekkub's Furblog" |
| 03:21.27 | Thunder_Child | dare i ask what you wanted with that Aiiane? |
| 03:21.33 | Tewan | Blawg. |
| 03:21.55 | Tekkub | or maybe just, The Furblog |
| 03:21.57 | Aiiane | Thunder_Child: people were asking about kaelten pics in #wowace |
| 03:22.09 | Tekkub | we need more kael pics |
| 03:22.13 | Kaelten | :P |
| 03:22.17 | Tekkub | someone go do a photoshoot with him |
| 03:22.19 | Iriel | faerun: that's the common subtype of Texture and FontString |
| 03:22.19 | Thunder_Child | Aiiane, thats a rather odd way of exposing him |
| 03:22.24 | Iriel | faerun: Use GetRegions() |
| 03:22.36 | Aiiane | Thunder_Child: it's the only one I had remotely handy |
| 03:22.39 | nevcairiel | faerun: try self.bg:SetVertexColor() |
| 03:22.42 | Kaelten | Tekkub: You like that huh :P I've got a little facial hair now. |
| 03:22.50 | Tekkub | WOO! |
| 03:22.54 | Tekkub | bout fucking time |
| 03:23.21 | Kaelten | lol |
| 03:23.52 | faerun | nevcairiel: got it working with self.bg, much appreciated |
| 03:25.10 | Thunder_Child | Aiiane, you should have said something, you could have PhotoShoped it to say....well...anything |
| 03:25.41 | Aiiane | I could have, but that's not how I am :) |
| 03:26.05 | Kaelten | tekkub: somehow I'm not suprised by your reaction, lol |
| 03:26.09 | zenzelezz | yeah, Aiiane gets others to photoshop pictures for him |
| 03:26.10 | Thunder_Child | true...you should have said something to me then |
| 03:26.31 | Tewan | I like farming these Shoveltusks |
| 03:26.36 | Kaelten | I need someone who can do some graphics work for me :( |
| 03:26.42 | Kaelten | I'm no good at it all |
| 03:26.45 | Aiiane | what for, Kaelten ? |
| 03:26.52 | Aiiane | zenzelezz: him? |
| 03:27.00 | Tekkub | would you rather I have asked you to rub said hair against my ass then? |
| 03:27.12 | nevcairiel | Aiiane: it takes about 2-3 weeks until everyone realized |
| 03:27.27 | Kaelten | Tekkub:meh, that'd not have suprised me either |
| 03:27.28 | Aiiane | realized what nev? |
| 03:27.35 | nevcairiel | that him is wrong =P |
| 03:27.38 | Tewan | Anyone know a good replacement to Bigred? |
| 03:27.42 | Tewan | Mine keeps on moving around randomly. |
| 03:27.48 | Aiiane | i daresay ive been in this channel for longer than 2-3 weeks nev :P |
| 03:27.59 | Kaelten | I have a few ideas, ranging from 3d modeling, to some comic style work. |
| 03:28.08 | nevcairiel | Aiiane: I've only seen you talk here for the last few weeks though! |
| 03:28.26 | Kaelten | Aiiane: all are penises until proven vaginas, tis the law of the iterwebs |
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| 03:29.02 | Aiiane | Kaelten: the internet can go screw itself, imo ;) |
| 03:29.09 | Thunder_Child | bad pun Aiiane |
| 03:29.16 | Kaelten | Aiiane: I'm sure there's a pic of that somewhere |
| 03:29.23 | Aiiane | Kaelten: 34 deems it true |
| 03:30.02 | Aiiane | annnnnnnnywho |
| 03:30.09 | Kaelten | lol |
| 03:30.19 | Amarande | Kaelten, how did people get to be that cynical about women on the net? |
| 03:30.32 | Amarande | I know plenty of women on the net, and I've only -rarely- seen a guy who seems to be a woman |
| 03:30.41 | zenzelezz | <Aiiane> i daresay ive been in this channel for longer than 2-3 weeks nev :P <--- under that exact nick or a slightly different one? |
| 03:30.44 | Amarande | at least, outside of WoW, since in-game character avatars are a different matter entirely |
| 03:30.46 | Kaelten | Amarande: because most guys are paranoid about flirting with someone they think if female |
| 03:30.47 | Tekkub | I'm beginning to love Grizzly Hills (more than I expected) |
| 03:30.51 | Tekkub | First all the bears... |
| 03:30.57 | Tekkub | then, werelumberjacks! |
| 03:31.02 | nevcairiel | furbolgs, too |
| 03:31.05 | Amarande | heh, then you have me, who's been known to be just plain paranoid |
| 03:31.08 | Tekkub | furblogs == bears |
| 03:31.09 | Amarande | this is why I take medication :| |
| 03:31.12 | Aiiane | zenzelezz: Aii and Aiiane are both me |
| 03:31.21 | Tekkub | Aiieeeeee |
| 03:31.23 | Aiiane | Aii is a shell account running irssi |
| 03:31.33 | Kaelten | Amarande: same reasons why guys can't use the word 'boyfriends' like women can use 'girlfriends' |
| 03:31.50 | zenzelezz | Aiiane: still don't recall seeing them for long; but I seem to always think of a slightly longer, similar name |
| 03:31.58 | nevcairiel | we have "friends" and "girlfriends", doesnt that cover all we need? |
| 03:31.58 | Tekkub | because you're afraid it implies you like it in the ass? |
| 03:32.20 | Tekkub | or you're afraid to admit you do? |
| 03:32.24 | Kaelten | Tekkub: honestly, I think it's due to the fear factor, people are afraid of being made fun of |
| 03:32.33 | Aiiane | I have friends, girlfriends, boyfriends, and boytoys, does that count? |
| 03:32.39 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 03:32.46 | Kaelten | Aiiane: which category am I in? |
| 03:32.46 | Tekkub | so it's the implication they're afraid of |
| 03:33.02 | Aiiane | you're in the category of 'people who fix curseforge' |
| 03:33.03 | Tekkub | I'm betting fuckbud |
| 03:33.14 | Tekkub | oh, devmonkey |
| 03:33.19 | Tekkub | close |
| 03:33.21 | Kaelten | Tekkub: yep, when a guy hears a girl talk about their girlfriends, you know that most of them are secretly wondering if they kiss behind closed doors |
| 03:33.41 | Tekkub | they probably do |
| 03:33.44 | Kaelten | I think most of it boils down to fear of humiliation |
| 03:33.51 | Tekkub | sneaky females, can't trust them at all |
| 03:33.58 | Kaelten | guys are much more likely to make fun of guys for similar implications |
| 03:34.05 | Tekkub | out of nowhere... BAM lesbianism |
| 03:34.18 | Aiiane | the world needs more tomgirls (if that's even a word) |
| 03:34.18 | Kaelten | lol |
| 03:34.26 | zenzelezz | <Kaelten> Tekkub: yep, when a guy hears a girl talk about their girlfriends, you know that most of them are secretly wondering if they kiss behind closed doors <--- what do you mean "secretly" wondering? |
| 03:34.32 | Tekkub | Aiiane, you mean queens? |
| 03:34.34 | Amarande | you know, I've never really quite understood why gay male couples are often seen as less acceptable than lesbian female couples |
| 03:34.40 | Amarande | I mean, let's think from a typical shallow male standpoint |
| 03:34.41 | Kaelten | zenzelezz: true enough, lol |
| 03:34.45 | Amarande | from a shallow male standpoint: |
| 03:34.51 | Amarande | lesbian couple = two women who will never, ever date you. |
| 03:34.55 | nevcairiel | do girls like gays the same way guys like lesbians? =P |
| 03:34.58 | Amarande | gay couple = two men who will never, ever compete with you for mates. |
| 03:35.02 | Kaelten | Aiiane: I thought I was more than that to you, *sniffs* |
| 03:35.04 | Amarande | therefore, it seems -completely- illogical. |
| 03:35.13 | Tekkub | Amarande, they like the fantasy that they have a chance at that action |
| 03:35.17 | Tekkub | or at least, to watch |
| 03:35.37 | Tekkub | they don't want that at all with the male couple |
| 03:35.42 | Kaelten | Aiiane: tomgirls? not sure exactly what that means, lol |
| 03:35.45 | Aiiane | two guys going at it could theoretically be hot, yes >.> |
| 03:35.52 | Tekkub | tomgirls == queens |
| 03:36.06 | Tekkub | I like to look at it this way... |
| 03:36.08 | Aiiane | tomboy = girl who is into traditionally "male" things |
| 03:36.14 | Aiiane | tomgirl is the logical opposite |
| 03:36.15 | Tekkub | I never have to see things I don't want to in my porn |
| 03:36.23 | Kaelten | Tekkub: I get manicures, but I'm straight, and definately not a queen |
| 03:36.28 | Tekkub | str8 males watching str8 porn get to see dick |
| 03:36.44 | nevcairiel | Tekkub: see, thats where lesbian porn comes in |
| 03:36.54 | Tekkub | well Kaelten, tomgirl == girl that ACTS like a boy |
| 03:37.21 | Kaelten | Aiiane: so I guess I fit your definition to some degree |
| 03:37.25 | Tekkub | queen == guy that acts like... well I wouldn't call if a woman, but it's as effeminate as a guy can get |
| 03:37.34 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: as long as you dont paint your nails after the manicure =P |
| 03:37.41 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: nope, lol |
| 03:37.42 | Tekkub | doing "female things" isn't always "acting like..." |
| 03:37.46 | Aiiane | you don't really have to be masculine per se to be a tomboy |
| 03:37.58 | Tekkub | painting them black is also an acceptable answer |
| 03:38.04 | Aiiane | though I suppose that varies by who you ask |
| 03:38.20 | Kaelten | I've gotten clear coats a few times, but never colors, not even goth black. I get manicures because a) I won't bite my nails and b) The hand/wrist massages |
| 03:38.22 | nevcairiel | are you a tomboy if you are like into playing soccer or football for the US'ies? |
| 03:38.36 | Tekkub | I still say fuhlameing quuen is the opposite of tomboy :) |
| 03:38.45 | Kaelten | lol |
| 03:39.13 | Tekkub | Kaelten, so you just make excuses so you don't feel bad |
| 03:39.23 | Kaelten | It's funny though most guys don't have the guts to go in and get their nails done, lol. |
| 03:39.34 | Kaelten | Tekkub: nope, I do it because I like it, those are the reasons I like it |
| 03:39.43 | Tekkub | I let mine grow cause I find them more useful longer |
| 03:39.59 | zenzelezz | that's the best part about biting your nails, you don't need to worry about getting your nails done |
| 03:40.03 | Tekkub | which most people find to be just as odd |
| 03:40.18 | Kaelten | na, I like mine a little long, not too long though. |
| 03:40.27 | Kaelten | they are more useful with a little length. |
| 03:40.30 | Tekkub | I only bite em when I break em, so I carry nail clippers on my keys so I can trim them when it happens |
| 03:40.37 | Aiiane | Kaelten: plenty of asian cultures it's completely different |
| 03:40.45 | Kaelten | Aiiane: oh? |
| 03:41.04 | nevcairiel | asians are all opposite anyway |
| 03:41.04 | Tekkub | I see only one reason to keep them trimmed down.. and I don't do *that* ^^ |
| 03:41.10 | Kaelten | My cultural observations are largely limited to US |
| 03:41.32 | Aiiane | http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn19990917b3.html |
| 03:41.35 | Aiiane | about halfway down |
| 03:41.50 | Aiiane | wait, wrong article >< |
| 03:41.55 | Aiiane | although that one's amusing too |
| 03:42.11 | Tekkub | painting cell phones? |
| 03:42.20 | Tekkub | I used to do that with my graphing calculators |
| 03:42.23 | Tekkub | god I'm a nerd |
| 03:42.24 | Kaelten | ya, that's just funny |
| 03:42.43 | Kaelten | Tekkub: welcome to reality |
| 03:42.59 | Aiiane | blah, i can't find the other article now |
| 03:43.09 | Tekkub | honestly, I'd expect that more for a tattoo/body art place than a nail salon |
| 03:43.13 | Tekkub | at least here |
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| 03:43.16 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:43.23 | nevcairiel | its 4:42am on new years and i'm chatting with you, dont talk about nerdiness :P |
| 03:43.25 | Amarande | this video professor TV commercial |
| 03:43.34 | Amarande | shows the disc spinning around and you can clearly read "SecuROM" |
| 03:43.35 | Tekkub | Amarande, oh god... |
| 03:43.37 | nevcairiel | and i'm working on a python web app! |
| 03:43.48 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: lol, tell me about it, if I knew anyone in this damned town I'd be glad to be out on a date |
| 03:43.53 | Amarande | advertising that your video advice that you could probably google similar stuff for free anyway, is SecuROM copy protected = fail |
| 03:44.03 | Tekkub | Amarande, IDWatchdog are the same company... and I've done work on their shitty site |
| 03:44.06 | Kaelten | one of the few times a year I have free time and I'm spending it all at home, lol |
| 03:44.16 | Tekkub | thankfully Kevin never gives me stuff for them anymore |
| 03:45.01 | Tekkub | Kaelten, just come to terms and play wow all night |
| 03:45.07 | Tekkub | or if not that, work on addons |
| 03:45.08 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: and i used my freetime between christmas and new year to learn python <.< |
| 03:45.10 | Tekkub | ... like me |
| 03:45.31 | Kaelten | Tekkub: my static group parterner (got to find a better term) is busy with family stuff |
| 03:45.42 | Tekkub | duo partner |
| 03:45.46 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: hehe, love the python |
| 03:45.48 | Tekkub | virtual boyfriend |
| 03:46.09 | Kaelten | ya I've got fishing, firstaid and cooking up to post 225 from 1 so far |
| 03:46.24 | Aiiane | "significant groupmember"? |
| 03:46.33 | Tekkub | I'm transcribing more GrizzHIlls into TG |
| 03:46.49 | Kaelten | and I've farmed a fewhundred gold worth of shit off of grays, |
| 03:46.51 | Tekkub | "meatbag"? is (s_he a tank? |
| 03:46.55 | Tekkub | healbot? |
| 03:46.57 | Amarande | speaking of grizzly hills |
| 03:47.01 | Tekkub | token DPS? |
| 03:47.04 | Amarande | I still need to decide whether to hit that or Zul'Drak next |
| 03:47.07 | Kaelten | Tekkub: na, they do secondary dps, |
| 03:47.17 | Kaelten | as shaman I do majority of the tanking, healing and dps |
| 03:47.18 | Amarande | Level 77, about 100,000 xp to 78, just finished Dragonblight |
| 03:47.18 | Kaelten | lol |
| 03:47.20 | nevcairiel | i should've done a TG guide one of the three times i leveld to 80 <.< |
| 03:47.51 | Tekkub | Amarande, how the fuck you pull that off? |
| 03:47.59 | Tekkub | and I say GH then ZD |
| 03:48.03 | Amarande | I'm thinking Zul'Drak simply because when I landed there for a short bit to grab a saronite node during getting the explore achievement, I happened to get aggro from a mob that dropped a 'this item starts a quest' thing |
| 03:48.07 | Tekkub | cause bears are better |
| 03:48.22 | nevcairiel | GH first for story, imho |
| 03:48.23 | Amarande | Tekkub: started at 70, did both BT and HF, didn't leave any zone until finishing the associated questing achievement |
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| 03:48.45 | Tekkub | I can see that giving you a level, maybe two |
| 03:48.55 | Tekkub | did you do shit in a weird order from there? |
| 03:48.58 | nevcairiel | even then, you should be max 75/76 after dragonblight |
| 03:49.17 | nevcairiel | i was 74 without BT |
| 03:49.20 | Amarande | well ... let's see |
| 03:49.35 | Tekkub | I was on the virge of 74 leaving DB, but only did one starter zone |
| 03:50.00 | Tekkub | BT|HF > DB > GH ... |
| 03:50.01 | Amarande | I did *every* quest I found in BT and HF, except for the Utgarde Keep instance quests in HF, an escort in BT, and "Breaking Through" in BT (which I came back for at 77, anyway) |
| 03:50.06 | Tekkub | yes, I'm only 74, twice |
| 03:50.19 | nevcairiel | i always did all quests i could fine as well |
| 03:50.21 | Tekkub | and yes, I got the achievements in the zxones I did |
| 03:50.31 | nevcairiel | s/fine/find/ |
| 03:50.43 | nevcairiel | granted, i didnt have rested bonus |
| 03:50.46 | Amarande | then in DB, I did everything except for Defending Wyrmrest Temple, the instance quests, and I still haven't done some of the elite group quests which don't look soloable |
| 03:50.49 | nevcairiel | because i started leveling on release day |
| 03:51.01 | Tekkub | I *always* have rest |
| 03:51.08 | Amarande | I also have had rested bonus at ALL times since 70 |
| 03:51.15 | Tekkub | I can't remember the last time I saw "You feel normal" |
| 03:51.19 | Amarande | I don't think I've ever even been below 100% rested since 70 |
| 03:51.24 | Tekkub | and I always notice it cause I laugh at it |
| 03:51.32 | Tekkub | LIES! |
| 03:52.02 | Amarande | I also got about 10% of a level from exploration xp when I hit 77 and did the rest of the northrend explore achievements |
| 03:52.08 | Amarande | which are ridiculously easy to do with a flying mount |
| 03:52.11 | nevcairiel | i still dont see having rested giving you 2 levels |
| 03:52.20 | Amarande | I think only in Storm Peaks did I have to worry about dodging things |
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| 03:52.49 | Tekkub | Amarande, please fucking tell that to my "other boyfriend" to steal Kael's term |
| 03:52.51 | Amarande | also a fair amount of xp from Shattrath cooking dailies, but I'm fuzzy on just how many days |
| 03:52.59 | Tekkub | he's fucking running around at 74 trying to do them |
| 03:53.04 | Tekkub | I tell him to wait till 77 |
| 03:53.08 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 03:53.09 | Tekkub | he still does it |
| 03:53.17 | Tekkub | he's fuck OCD about achievements |
| 03:53.22 | nevcairiel | tell him that he cannot do stormpeaks and icecrown anyway |
| 03:53.29 | Tekkub | it's the pokemon, it broke his fragile brain |
| 03:53.38 | Amarande | I had to be 77 anyway for achievements, so I could finish Bros. before Ho Ho Ho's |
| 03:53.47 | Tekkub | must.... achieve.... them... alll...... |
| 03:54.02 | Amarande | speaking of which, I'm not sure I've had this answered yet |
| 03:54.02 | nevcairiel | haha horde has to be 77 =P |
| 03:54.05 | Amarande | is there even a single currently obtainable achievement that is easier for Horde than for Alliance? |
| 03:54.12 | Amarande | (I know there's a fair number that are easier for the blue team) |
| 03:54.41 | Amarande | hell, there's currently one achievement which is believed to be 100% impossible for Horde |
| 03:54.52 | nevcairiel | whats that? |
| 03:54.58 | Amarande | nev: SotA in 4 minutes |
| 03:55.01 | Tewan | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=23690 |
| 03:55.04 | Tewan | Grinding those ---^ |
| 03:55.17 | Amarande | it simply can't be done, except maybe with a hell of a lot of fixing, with the way the BG is currently designed |
| 03:56.38 | nevcairiel | I'll never get "win witnergrasp with tenacity up" |
| 03:56.46 | nevcairiel | because we always have more alliance |
| 03:56.49 | nevcairiel | so shush =P |
| 03:56.53 | Amarande | nev: but that one's mechanically possible |
| 03:57.03 | nevcairiel | the other one is too |
| 03:57.04 | Amarande | the SotA horde 4 minutes one is currently -mechanically- impossible |
| 03:57.08 | Amarande | without cheating, anyway |
| 03:57.13 | nevcairiel | just get a alliance team that burns through you fast enough |
| 03:57.16 | nevcairiel | and defends like shit |
| 03:57.31 | Amarande | nev: and you need to be able to do the same, why didn't you defend? wintrading! ban! |
| 03:57.37 | Cidan | HOLY SHIT GUYS |
| 03:57.37 | Cidan | GUYS |
| 03:57.41 | Cidan | IT'S ALMOST NEW YEARS |
| 03:57.42 | Cidan | HOLY SHIT |
| 03:57.42 | Tekkub | I still need to earn "They love me in that tunnel" for giggles |
| 03:57.51 | nevcairiel | Cidan: you are 5 hours late |
| 03:57.51 | Tekkub | Cidan, so? |
| 03:57.59 | Cidan | Dunno, I'm an attention whore. |
| 03:58.01 | Cidan | Sorry. |
| 03:58.08 | Thunder_Child | ~whore Cidan |
| 03:58.15 | Cidan | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 03:58.16 | purl | Thunder_Child, you Fail! |
| 03:58.18 | Thunder_Child | you fail me yet again purl |
| 03:58.18 | Tekkub | go get drunk and make an ass of yourself somewhere then |
| 03:58.31 | Cidan | Neh, I don't drink. |
| 03:58.31 | Tekkub | getting attention on IRC on new years is just pathetic |
| 03:59.53 | Thunder_Child | actually whats worse is going to a large party THEN going on IRC to be an attention whore |
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| 04:00.03 | Cidan | What the hell crawled up your ass, Tekkub? Jeez. |
| 04:00.10 | Thunder_Child | Kaelten: |
| 04:00.17 | Thunder_Child | s/:// |
| 04:00.22 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 04:00.36 | Kaelten | ~comfort Thunder_Child |
| 04:00.37 | purl | There, there, Thunder_Child. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:00.40 | Kaelten | you poor demented child |
| 04:00.55 | nevcairiel | mm i need some good movie to watch |
| 04:00.57 | Thunder_Child | yes, yes and yes...but that doesnt make me wrong |
| 04:01.01 | Tekkub | I love how everyone gets are pissy when I make fun of their stupid holidays |
| 04:01.22 | Thunder_Child | you and me both nevcairiel |
| 04:01.25 | Cidan | Oh, you're one of those. |
| 04:01.33 | Thunder_Child | there isnt anything new out:( |
| 04:01.34 | Cidan | Oh well, pity to you I suppose. |
| 04:01.38 | Cidan | God I'm hungry |
| 04:01.43 | Tekkub | horny perverts? yea you got me |
| 04:01.47 | Kaelten | you know its a neat trick, but annoying, how the mac uses the screen color to act as a flash |
| 04:01.50 | Tekkub | it's horrible |
| 04:01.53 | nevcairiel | i'm semi-behind on any new movies anyway, so anything from the last 3-4 month would be fine =P |
| 04:02.28 | Thunder_Child | Cidan, i recomend pepper |
| 04:02.31 | Tekkub | nevcairiel, Desperoux was amusing |
| 04:02.48 | Tekkub | but it's in theatres right now |
| 04:02.54 | Kaelten | thinking about getting death race |
| 04:03.04 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, thats not really an issue |
| 04:03.16 | Tekkub | Wall-e came out on DVD recently |
| 04:03.51 | nevcairiel | wall-e i know |
| 04:04.02 | nevcairiel | dark knight is awesome too, seen that just recently |
| 04:04.36 | Kaelten | neat affects it comes with too |
| 04:04.54 | Kaelten | yes man was pretty good |
| 04:04.56 | Kaelten | saw it last week |
| 04:05.01 | Kaelten | topic thunder any good? |
| 04:05.13 | Kaelten | tropic* |
| 04:05.50 | Thunder_Child | it was rather amusing in a very stupid way |
| 04:07.23 | Kaelten | heh |
| 04:07.57 | Kaelten | ok, that went from pleasently sippable to head kicking shot |
| 04:08.04 | Amarande | what happened to the rest of the guys? *BLAMMO* |
| 04:11.35 | nevcairiel | wth this movie included 5 minutes of movie trailers =P |
| 04:11.46 | nevcairiel | thats something i didnt see before |
| 04:12.29 | Tekkub | if you have the furblog "ally" buff from killing guys from the other tribe, can you still attack the locals? |
| 04:12.35 | Tekkub | or must you drop the buff? |
| 04:12.41 | nevcairiel | you can still attack them |
| 04:13.01 | nevcairiel | they just dont aggro on you anymore |
| 04:13.25 | Tekkub | that's what I figured, just didn't feel like testing |
| 04:14.43 | nevcairiel | man tropic sunder relaly has a sick form of humor, and i say that after 5 minutes into the movie |
| 04:14.47 | nevcairiel | *really |
| 04:15.26 | Kaelten | that's pretty bad |
| 04:15.27 | Kaelten | lol |
| 04:16.58 | Thunder_Child | eh, i found it rather amusing |
| 04:17.17 | nevcairiel | if you dont take it too seriously |
| 04:27.23 | Tekkub | oh |
| 04:27.26 | Tekkub | mah |
| 04:27.27 | Tekkub | gawd |
| 04:27.34 | Tekkub | my Willy has a big ol anus |
| 04:27.51 | Tekkub | stupid camera and stupid Exodar ramp down to the auctioneer |
| 04:28.35 | Amarande | you know, even though my one and only alliance character is a draenei, I don't think I ever noticed that appearance about Exodar |
| 04:29.49 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3155529404/ |
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| 04:43.51 | Kaelten | wtf is that |
| 04:44.09 | Shirik | That's tekkub playing with his Willy |
| 04:44.32 | Tekkub | my willy's gaping huge anus |
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| 04:44.42 | Tekkub | that I didn't want to see in the first place |
| 04:45.01 | Tekkub | the guy that made that model should be shot |
| 04:45.59 | Amarande | and by the way |
| 04:46.05 | Amarande | what the hell were you doing in the exodar to begin with? |
| 04:46.07 | Kaelten | that is a fucked up pic |
| 04:46.11 | Amarande | people go to netherstorm these days more than exodar :P |
| 04:46.21 | Kaelten | Amarande: to play with his willy |
| 04:46.43 | Kaelten | think & code or veg & watch a movie |
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| 04:46.45 | Thunder_Child | well, nothin like having your 15yo cousin call from 3,000 miles away on vacation 1 hour before newyears because her friend wants to know how to illigaly download movies to her ipod.....grrrrr |
| 04:46.46 | Kaelten | which! |
| 04:47.24 | Kaelten | Thunder_Child: I'm on vacation but can't get on ims because I'll have 20 people contact me about work |
| 04:47.55 | Kaelten | that reminds me I should log out |
| 04:48.29 | Thunder_Child | L2have2imaccounts? |
| 04:48.45 | Tekkub | Amarande, that's why I hang out there, it's peaceful |
| 04:48.58 | Tekkub | I go to SW and I just want to kick people's asses |
| 04:49.52 | Tekkub | Kaelten, l2tell work people to piss off? |
| 04:49.56 | Tekkub | or just plain ignore them |
| 04:49.59 | Kaelten | heh |
| 04:50.28 | Tekkub | pretend to be drunk off your ass? |
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| 04:50.33 | Kaelten | lol |
| 04:51.05 | Kaelten | I have like 5 top shelf liquors in the kitchen, no reason to pretend |
| 04:51.18 | Shirik | I was about to say, that's what I would expect from Kaelten :) |
| 04:51.19 | foxlit | Grumble grumble |
| 04:51.32 | Kaelten | Shirik: oh? |
| 04:51.39 | Shirik | You certainly knew your drinks at Blizzcon! |
| 04:51.43 | Tekkub | fuck |
| 04:51.45 | foxlit | My new magical white box refuses (is refused?) to obtain an IP address through DHCP |
| 04:51.46 | Kaelten | lol |
| 04:51.46 | Tekkub | that's what I forgot |
| 04:51.52 | Tekkub | to get me a bottle of wine |
| 04:52.07 | Tekkub | guess it's mike's pommegranite for me |
| 04:52.08 | Shirik | We got something strange... mango champagne? |
| 04:52.12 | Kaelten | Shirik: I took a pitcher of the blue stuff to a party last friday... |
| 04:52.18 | Shirik | Don't ask me, I didn't get it |
| 04:52.29 | Tekkub | Shirik, Chokecherry wine is the bestest |
| 04:52.31 | Shirik | Kaelten: fun times? :) |
| 04:52.42 | Kaelten | the hostess thanked me at the end of the night, said next year I had to bring 2 |
| 04:52.46 | Kaelten | :s |
| 04:52.48 | Shirik | haha |
| 04:53.01 | Kaelten | they called it radiator fluid, lol |
| 04:54.52 | Shirik | Wow.... |
| 04:54.58 | Kaelten | ? |
| 04:55.02 | Shirik | So my brother told me yesterday that he wasn't going to a party he was going to go to |
| 04:55.07 | Shirik | because the guy put it on facebook |
| 04:55.19 | Shirik | he said the cops were going to come bust the party |
| 04:55.23 | Shirik | I called him crazy |
| 04:55.25 | Shirik | ... he was right |
| 04:55.32 | Tewan | lol |
| 04:55.39 | Thunder_Child | i doubt it was because the cops troll facebook |
| 04:55.46 | Tekkub | that's crazytalk |
| 04:55.49 | Tewan | heh |
| 04:55.52 | Kaelten | Thunder_Child: you never know, :s |
| 04:56.02 | Shirik | I'm not making any claims, I'm just stating the facts :P |
| 04:56.26 | Kaelten | I say its possible, there are stranger things coming out of facebook |
| 04:56.52 | Tekkub | well, do they "come out" or do they really stay there? |
| 04:57.07 | Kaelten | Tekkub: depends on who's involved? |
| 04:57.18 | Kaelten | fuck its 11pm already |
| 04:57.20 | Kaelten | wow |
| 04:57.29 | Tewan | Kaelten, CST? |
| 04:57.33 | Kaelten | aye |
| 04:57.36 | Tewan | Same. |
| 04:57.38 | Tekkub | crappy stupid time |
| 04:57.40 | Kaelten | STALKER! |
| 04:57.57 | Tewan | I promise I won't raep. D: |
| 04:58.03 | Kaelten | lol |
| 04:58.27 | Kaelten | what part of cst? |
| 04:58.33 | Tewan | Texas. |
| 04:58.37 | Kaelten | ah |
| 04:58.40 | Kaelten | my ex wife lives there |
| 04:58.48 | Tewan | Want me to stalk her too? :P |
| 04:58.53 | Kaelten | lol |
| 04:59.01 | Kaelten | I'm in northern alabama |
| 04:59.16 | Tekkub | alabama man! |
| 04:59.45 | Tewan | Kaelten, how popular is "Sweet Home Alabama" there? |
| 05:00.18 | Kaelten | heh, popular enough that there was a pretty crappy rap version |
| 05:00.23 | Kaelten | that was fairly popular |
| 05:00.24 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3154740105/ |
| 05:00.25 | Amarande | HAPPY NEW YEAR |
| 05:00.39 | Tekkub | sadly, taken with the program I was hoping to have a simple copy/paste path to |
| 05:01.32 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Help sick kids! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19741 | Happy New Year, Everyone! Drive safely! |
| 05:02.09 | Cidan | Happy New Years, you crazy wonderful people you, =D |
| 05:02.23 | Kaelten | lol |
| 05:02.39 | Kaelten | we survived another, gratz! |
| 05:02.49 | Tekkub | you know what *we* should celebrate? |
| 05:02.56 | Amarande | remember, don't get totally smashed on Cenarion Spirits and then try to use your epic flyer! |
| 05:02.59 | Tekkub | when the epoc changes on a significant digit |
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| 05:03.09 | Tekkub | *epoch |
| 05:03.21 | foxlit|mac | whee, and it ate the DHCP config |
| 05:03.38 | Shirik | lol Tekkub |
| 05:03.41 | foxlit|mac | Can't shake the feeling it's going to go horribly wrong at some point, but, hey, future is future |
| 05:03.44 | Shirik | lua> os.time() |
| 05:03.45 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1230786224 |
| 05:03.52 | Shirik | which digit? |
| 05:04.04 | Amarande | I think I remember celebrating 1000000000 |
| 05:04.07 | Shirik | lua> 365 * 24 * 60 * 60 |
| 05:04.08 | lua_bot | Shirik: 31536000 |
| 05:04.12 | Tekkub | well it's what, seconds right? |
| 05:04.17 | Amarande | yeah |
| 05:04.19 | Shirik | every 100k seems reasonable |
| 05:04.24 | Shirik | but that's 3+ years |
| 05:04.26 | foxlit|mac | 1234567890 next? |
| 05:04.42 | Kaso | isn't 123456890 this year? |
| 05:04.44 | Shirik | foxlit That's like 12 years away |
| 05:04.47 | Tekkub | 10k, so we get 3 a year |
| 05:04.50 | Amarande | 1234567890 is actually pretty significant |
| 05:05.16 | foxlit | lua> (1234567890-os.time()%(3600*24) |
| 05:05.16 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 05:05.17 | Amarande | it is the second, and final, number that is written with ascending consecutive digits and is written with the same digits as its double |
| 05:05.17 | Shirik | oh sorry I miscounted |
| 05:05.21 | Shirik | it's not 12 years, lol |
| 05:05.22 | Wobin | What is a good totem addon? |
| 05:05.25 | foxlit | lua> (1234567890-os.time())/(3600*24) |
| 05:05.26 | lua_bot | foxlit: 43.768113425926 |
| 05:05.32 | Shirik | foxlit, doing it the hard way |
| 05:05.38 | mikma | wobin: have you seen mine? |
| 05:05.38 | Amarande | the only other number of that type is 123456789 |
| 05:05.39 | Shirik | lua> os.date(1234567890) |
| 05:05.40 | Wobin | (I could have sworn I asked this before, but I, for the life of me cannot recall the answers) |
| 05:05.40 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1234567890 |
| 05:05.45 | Wobin | mikma: Nope |
| 05:05.49 | Shirik | lua> os.date(nil, 1234567890) |
| 05:05.50 | lua_bot | Shirik: Fri Feb 13 23:31:30 2009 |
| 05:05.57 | Wobin | mikma: Also, what were you saying about my DK a couple of nights ago? |
| 05:06.00 | Shirik | wow |
| 05:06.05 | Amarande | actually, there's only even four numbers with ascending different digits that are written with the same digits as their doubles |
| 05:06.12 | Tekkub | lua> os.date(nil, 1240000000) |
| 05:06.12 | lua_bot | Tekkub: Fri Apr 17 20:26:40 2009 |
| 05:06.17 | Amarande | the other two being 1245789 and 12457890 |
| 05:06.22 | Tekkub | now THAT is a holiday |
| 05:06.30 | Shirik | I like 1234567890 |
| 05:06.31 | Wobin | ps, has anyone else not typed /objection in WoW? =) |
| 05:06.31 | Shirik | it's closer |
| 05:06.41 | mikma | wobin: that tewan should come and do /t snuusnu you suck balls |
| 05:06.46 | Tekkub | but it's a onetime thing |
| 05:06.55 | Wobin | on my server? =) |
| 05:06.59 | Tekkub | 1240k will be epochday |
| 05:07.14 | Tekkub | 1234567890 shall be base-10 day |
| 05:07.48 | Tekkub | plus it's a fri the 13th |
| 05:07.50 | foxlit | hm, four bytes? 0xdead? |
| 05:08.19 | foxlit | 0xf00d, 0xbeef, ... stuff. |
| 05:08.28 | mikma | wobin: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_120908_033420.jpg |
| 05:08.31 | foxlit | except, of course, have to combine two :/ |
| 05:08.40 | Kaelten | wonder which they'll do, make the datatype bigger to store time in, more move epoch |
| 05:08.54 | Cidan | Wobin: Thank you so much, oh man. |
| 05:08.54 | foxlit | WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS SCREENSHOT, mikma? |
| 05:09.04 | mikma | foxlit: totem addon |
| 05:09.07 | Wobin | Cidan: hehe =) |
| 05:09.07 | foxlit | Kaelten: probably both? |
| 05:09.26 | Tekkub | BTW, what I'm working on: http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3154752553/ |
| 05:09.36 | Tekkub | just needs sorting and it's down ^^ |
| 05:09.38 | Tekkub | *done |
| 05:10.00 | Wobin | I was hoping for something more compact, mikma =( |
| 05:10.22 | Kaelten | what about a god damned name sort |
| 05:10.25 | Tekkub | mikma reminded me, it's transmutant time! |
| 05:10.46 | mikma | wobin: heh well thats what i was planning with my second totem addon |
| 05:10.53 | Tekkub | Kaelten, uh, default on "quality" is qual than name I thing, that's default UI stuff there |
| 05:10.58 | mikma | wobin: i never actually finished it |
| 05:11.07 | Wobin | oh |
| 05:11.10 | Kaelten | ya... I just getsick of not having a regular old name sort |
| 05:11.13 | Wobin | anyone else got suggestions on totem addons? =) |
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| 05:11.33 | mikma | wobin: idea was simple: gui where you pick 4 totems, then the addon creates a macro for you |
| 05:12.04 | mikma | got the gui done, then i lost my interest |
| 05:12.19 | Tekkub | mikma, does that still work BTW? |
| 05:12.26 | Kaelten | wobin: I've yet to see a decent one honestly |
| 05:12.39 | mikma | tekkub: not quite sure, should work ooc? |
| 05:12.53 | mikma | i mean, setting the totems |
| 05:12.54 | Tekkub | no the transmute thing |
| 05:13.27 | mikma | tekkub: oh that, hotfixed |
| 05:13.40 | mikma | thats what i heard |
| 05:13.55 | Kaelten | lmao |
| 05:13.57 | Kaelten | that was awesome |
| 05:14.05 | Tekkub | bah, figured as much |
| 05:15.00 | Tekkub | sad thing is, I wasted two titanium transmutes (don't make money on my server) before I noticed that the discovered one say it can have discoveries too |
| 05:15.12 | Tekkub | water -> fire *does* make money on my server |
| 05:16.10 | mikma | no wonder, fire is rare and goes in smelt titansteel which is expensive and used in anything |
| 05:16.21 | Amarande | fire you get from ... fire elementals, right? |
| 05:16.29 | Amarande | I know water and earth come from mining nodes |
| 05:16.35 | Amarande | air comes from air elementals |
| 05:16.39 | mikma | and from titanium nodes |
| 05:16.45 | Amarande | life, I've seen, and it comes from ... something. heh |
| 05:16.47 | Tekkub | they all come from their respective elems |
| 05:16.58 | Tekkub | life/shad are spethial of course |
| 05:17.00 | mikma | there's like 3 different elementals that drop fire |
| 05:17.00 | Amarande | haven't seen Shadow at all that I can remember |
| 05:17.12 | Tekkub | life's the treeish elems isn't it? |
| 05:17.17 | Kaelten | life I can get while herbing |
| 05:17.20 | Tekkub | shad's voidwalkers and such |
| 05:17.25 | Amarande | the titanium one looks like it's worthless |
| 05:17.28 | Amarande | since you can mine titanium |
| 05:17.49 | mikma | if you can find titanium |
| 05:17.49 | Tekkub | and karma bites my ass |
| 05:17.56 | Tekkub | doing water > fire I discover... |
| 05:17.59 | Tekkub | fire > water |
| 05:18.05 | mikma | ouch |
| 05:18.30 | mikma | i got elixir of deadly strikes today from research =( |
| 05:18.51 | mikma | been wanting that haste potion for weeks since my char is potion master |
| 05:19.26 | Tekkub | my research just now gave... |
| 05:19.30 | Tekkub | *drumroll* |
| 05:19.38 | Tekkub | *drumroll* ..... |
| 05:19.43 | Tekkub | long ass cast time |
| 05:19.55 | Tekkub | Elixir of Protection! |
| 05:20.05 | mikma | is that the armor one |
| 05:20.23 | Tekkub | yea |
| 05:20.33 | mikma | my wife got the same 4h ago |
| 05:21.18 | Tekkub | I got no AH price for it, maybe I should make a few |
| 05:21.30 | Tekkub | all the other ones I got are a loss to make, so I don't |
| 05:21.42 | mikma | well... |
| 05:21.52 | mikma | some tanks might use it |
| 05:22.03 | mikma | lets see what lootrank says |
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| 05:23.56 | Tekkub | I'll make 5 and see if they ever sell |
| 05:25.05 | mikma | tekkub: 6th best tankingpotion for dk |
| 05:30.46 | Tekkub | http://www.playauditorium.com/ |
| 05:30.51 | Tekkub | wheee time wasting! |
| 05:30.58 | foxlit | whee! old :/ |
| 05:31.04 | foxlit | but whee! fun! |
| 05:43.08 | Aiiane | that is a pretty neat game, Tekkub :) |
| 05:43.22 | Aiiane | i got to act 2 and then called it quits because if i didnt id probably keep playing forever >.> |
| 05:44.12 | foxlit | you'd run out of levels |
| 05:44.23 | Thunder_Child | flash games are....black holes of time |
| 05:44.41 | foxlit | Of course, how fast depends on how good you are at determining what the few valid solutions are |
| 05:49.30 | Wobin | It went to 6 for me I think |
| 05:49.37 | Amarande | http://www.xkcd.com/484/ |
| 05:49.43 | Wobin | btw, if you want waste of time... |
| 05:50.22 | foxlit | It's Jan 1 2009 06:50 |
| 05:50.38 | foxlit | I wonder if I should actually sleep, or whether that'd be futile at this point |
| 05:50.46 | Wobin | http://www.sheezyart.com/view/1616035/ |
| 05:58.33 | Thunder_Child | blah, the shames on 3 are hard |
| 05:58.38 | Thunder_Child | shapes* |
| 05:59.38 | Thunder_Child | level 3 |
| 06:00.02 | Tewan | Happy New Year from Texas! |
| 06:01.38 | Shirik | screw texas |
| 06:01.44 | Shirik | I'm kidding, happy new year :P |
| 06:01.50 | Aiiane | no, screw texas |
| 06:01.58 | Aiiane | and not in the DDD kind of way |
| 06:02.04 | Aiiane | :P |
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| 06:02.54 | mikma | yeeeehaw |
| 06:05.22 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, thanks for the link but i hate you |
| 06:05.47 | Tekkub | ^^ just finished 3:5 |
| 06:05.54 | Thunder_Child | i'm on 3:6 |
| 06:07.55 | Thunder_Child | so hard |
| 06:08.06 | Thunder_Child | bloody convaluted |
| 06:08.29 | Thunder_Child | hah, i beat it |
| 06:08.35 | Thunder_Child | s/hah/yay/ |
| 06:10.20 | Tekkub | act 4! |
| 06:10.45 | Tekkub | aw all doned |
| 06:10.53 | Tekkub | that didn't waste much time at all |
| 06:11.03 | Tekkub | at least it dun sounded purdy |
| 06:14.17 | Aiiane | http://www.addictinggames.com/theworldshardestgame.html |
| 06:16.21 | Tekkub | 'watching times square, thinking "i was there a few days ago"... and "i've flown a helicopter into that building on GTA"' hehe |
| 06:16.50 | Thunder_Child | Aiiane, isnt so impressive when you look at the high scores and they are all perfect |
| 06:17.37 | Aiiane | I'd attribute that more to people having fun reverse-engineering the score submission scheme |
| 06:17.40 | Aiiane | than the game itself |
| 06:20.09 | Shirik | I agree with Aiiane :) |
| 06:20.13 | Shirik | I used to consider doing that for some games |
| 06:20.37 | Shirik | I doubt that they have encryption or signatures, so it should be fairly simple |
| 06:21.57 | Aiiane | could probably just edit the flash file if you wanted |
| 06:28.10 | Tewan | Don't make me be a stereotypical Texan. |
| 06:28.52 | Aiiane | hey, I was born in texas :P |
| 06:29.16 | Aiiane | don't live there anymore, granted, but I still have plenty of relatives to visit when I'm down south ;) |
| 06:40.13 | mikma | deep south |
| 06:40.19 | mikma | like little nicky |
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| 06:42.38 | batrick | happy new years friends |
| 06:42.50 | batrick | Shirik: hope you didn't give up booze |
| 06:42.56 | Shirik | er |
| 06:43.00 | Shirik | why would I :P |
| 06:43.05 | batrick | i dunno |
| 06:43.16 | Shirik | That's not really fair, I don't drink much. You can't give up something that easy |
| 06:43.18 | batrick | to complete the circle of love, caffeine and alcohol |
| 06:43.43 | batrick | and by complete i mean tear asunder |
| 06:44.07 | Kaelten | lmao, at the end of death race they actually have a "Do not try this shit at home" disclaimer |
| 06:44.23 | Amarande | Kaelten: including the word "shit"? |
| 06:44.36 | Kaelten | Amarande: paraphrased of course |
| 06:44.49 | Aiiane | it would have been awesomer the other way. |
| 06:44.55 | Kaelten | true |
| 06:45.30 | Kaelten | I can't believe they think someone would actually try to mimic a movie about armored cars and guns |
| 06:45.30 | Amarande | well, it's rated R as it is, isn't it? heh |
| 06:45.45 | Kaelten | it's like watching that old full metal whatever |
| 06:45.55 | Kaelten | Amarande: the one I watched was the unrated, heh |
| 06:46.05 | Kaelten | of course I'm not sure what the differences are |
| 06:53.10 | Tewan | You know, that's not a bad idea... signing your checks with a fake name, but the same one each time. |
| 06:55.04 | Shirik | Eh, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they said, Aiiane |
| 06:55.16 | Shirik | the other day I saw some commercial that said "Do not attempt unless you are a moron" |
| 06:56.36 | Kaelten | hrm almost out of patron |
| 06:57.13 | Thunder_Child | Kaelten, if i had .50cal mini guns on the hood of my armored car i might take the fancy to do it |
| 06:57.32 | Kaelten | Thunder_Child: See now, that I could understand |
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| 06:59.14 | Aiiane | if i had .50cal miniguns on the hood of my armored car, I'd wonder why I hadn't just gotten a porsche instead |
| 07:10.00 | Kaelten | Aiiane: because well, who'd fuck with you then, seriously. |
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| 07:11.33 | Aiiane | the dude with rocketlaunchers on the hood of his armored pickup? |
| 07:11.55 | Kaelten | ya.... good point |
| 07:12.08 | Kaelten | now, I'm watching wanted |
| 07:12.30 | Aiiane | wanted was interesting, to a point |
| 07:13.18 | Kaelten | I enjoyed it in the theater, hehe |
| 07:13.33 | Thunder_Child | wanted made physics slit it's wrists |
| 07:13.52 | Aiiane | yes, that too |
| 07:13.53 | Kaelten | which is good, because now that physics are dead, we can learn how to curve a bullet |
| 07:14.18 | Kaelten | :) |
| 07:14.29 | Thunder_Child | thats easy, a large localized gravity well |
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| 07:14.45 | Kaelten | sweet, I'll take one of those I can project with happy thoughts |
| 07:14.47 | Thunder_Child | s/large/powerful/ |
| 07:15.08 | Kaelten | one of those too |
| 07:15.21 | Thunder_Child | uhhh..happy thoughts and guns only go together with psychopaths |
| 07:15.52 | Kaelten | I like to help you guys out as a hobby |
| 07:15.58 | Kaelten | I'm pretty fucked up |
| 07:16.23 | Thunder_Child | and this makes you different from most of the people here how? |
| 07:16.39 | Kaelten | um... |
| 07:16.51 | Kaelten | I get manicures? |
| 07:17.08 | Thunder_Child | good point |
| 07:17.14 | Kaelten | not that thats really related, but I am different |
| 07:17.15 | Kaelten | :) |
| 07:17.30 | Thunder_Child | i dont have a problem dooing it, i just dont think it's worth the money |
| 07:17.39 | Kaelten | you type a lot? |
| 07:17.43 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 07:17.48 | Kaelten | it's worth it |
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| 07:17.50 | Kaelten | trust me |
| 07:18.09 | Thunder_Child | yes, but i dont care how my fingernails look |
| 07:18.14 | Thunder_Child | to a point |
| 07:18.19 | Kaelten | so? |
| 07:18.35 | Kaelten | just find a place that gives good massages with it |
| 07:18.45 | Thunder_Child | is there another reason to get them done besides visuals? |
| 07:18.52 | Kaelten | which I think all do, but the person doing it may make a difference |
| 07:19.14 | Kaelten | I enjoy having smooth nails, and your significant other may appriciate it |
| 07:20.04 | Thunder_Child | and here i thought everyone like haveing cracked ugly nails scraped down their back |
| 07:20.10 | Aiiane | um, no thanks |
| 07:20.29 | Kaelten | and thats the least of the things they may appriciate |
| 07:20.30 | Thunder_Child | have you tried it? |
| 07:20.46 | Thunder_Child | dont knock it till you have tried it |
| 07:21.37 | Kaelten | Aiiane: Would you appriciate it? |
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| 07:22.26 | Kaelten | sweet physics just decided to take a jump off a bridge after that scene |
| 07:23.02 | Aiiane | lol @ physics, and yes @ nails |
| 07:23.04 | Thunder_Child | i think it left town after the first scene |
| 07:23.26 | Kaelten | Thunder_Child: yep I'm able to fly atm, pretty fucking sweet |
| 07:23.42 | Kaelten | Aiiane: :) and :) |
| 07:24.43 | Aiiane | Kaelten: the flying part is probably just python |
| 07:24.51 | Thunder_Child | the only thing i really hate about the new year is remembering to not write the previous years date |
| 07:25.03 | Aiiane | you probably did import antigravity again |
| 07:25.10 | Aiiane | Thunder_Child: lol, yeah, me too |
| 07:25.16 | Kaelten | Aiiane: hehehe |
| 07:26.03 | Tekkub | hey Kaelten, question |
| 07:26.12 | Kaelten | hey Tekkub, answer |
| 07:26.29 | Tekkub | does the pyton community have the same backwards notion that the ruby/rails one does where tabs should be changed into 2 spaces? |
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| 07:26.37 | Tekkub | *python |
| 07:26.43 | Kaelten | Tekkub, no |
| 07:26.44 | Kaelten | 4 spaces |
| 07:26.54 | Kaelten | and it's not backwards |
| 07:26.59 | Tekkub | but still it's converting tabs to spaces |
| 07:27.08 | Tekkub | which is backwards :) |
| 07:27.18 | Kaelten | no, its uniform |
| 07:27.28 | Tekkub | tabs are uniform for everyone |
| 07:27.36 | Kaelten | honestly, the biggest problem is mixing it |
| 07:27.40 | Tekkub | and don't impose your preference for tab size onto them |
| 07:27.58 | Aiiane | depends on whether you're going for alignment or not. |
| 07:28.06 | Kaelten | it doesn't really matter what you use imho, as long as everyone uses the same. (at least on the project) |
| 07:28.09 | Tekkub | you don't use tabs for alignment |
| 07:28.16 | Tekkub | tabs for indent, spaces to align |
| 07:28.21 | Aiiane | but some indenting involves alignment. |
| 07:28.29 | Tekkub | no it doesn't |
| 07:28.41 | Tekkub | if you align AFTER the indent, that's spaces |
| 07:28.56 | Aiiane | that just becomes more complicated. |
| 07:28.56 | Tekkub | \t\tafunc(blah |
| 07:29.02 | Tekkub | \t\t meh |
| 07:29.11 | Aiiane | no one wants to put exactly 5 tabs, and then exactly 30 spaces. |
| 07:29.18 | Tekkub | that's why you don't get anal about aligning shit like that |
| 07:29.22 | Kaelten | Tekkub: don't forget pyhton depends on whitespace for blicks, it's very important to have a standard |
| 07:29.22 | Aiiane | they're just going to do 12 tabs and then 2 spaces. |
| 07:29.23 | Tekkub | and just use another indent :) |
| 07:29.23 | Codayus | If you need 5 tabs and 30 spaces, your doing it wrong. |
| 07:29.32 | Kaelten | the community standard by the BDFL is 4 spaces |
| 07:29.39 | Aiiane | Codayus: arbitrary numbers |
| 07:29.49 | Tekkub | eew, depending on whitespace... eew |
| 07:29.55 | Kaelten | it's elegant |
| 07:29.58 | Kaelten | not eew |
| 07:30.03 | Tekkub | eew |
| 07:30.09 | Codayus | Tekkub: Don't knock it until you've tried it. |
| 07:30.10 | Tekkub | like eew all over the floor |
| 07:30.16 | Aiiane | Tekkub: this is why automatic code indenters were invented. |
| 07:30.18 | Tekkub | I have tried it |
| 07:30.26 | Kaelten | Ironically, yaml does it too |
| 07:30.27 | Aiiane | code in whatever you want, then indent it to whatever standard "most" people want. |
| 07:30.29 | Tekkub | ruby/rails is all about the fucking 2 spaces shit |
| 07:30.34 | Kaelten | which is a ruby thing :P |
| 07:30.40 | Tekkub | yaml, yea I don't get that either |
| 07:30.51 | Tekkub | just more holdover from ruby |
| 07:30.52 | Kaelten | I think it's a very beautiful idea |
| 07:31.10 | Aiiane | I prefer using spaces because it means I can be flexible where I want to. |
| 07:31.12 | Thunder_Child | Codayus, thats what i said, but someone still wasnt interested in gettin nails scratched down their back |
| 07:31.26 | Aiiane | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 07:31.26 | purl | offers Thunder_Child some herring |
| 07:31.37 | Kaelten | getting rid of closing tags, hell ya! |
| 07:31.56 | Kaelten | Aiiane: don't worry, I take care of my nails :) |
| 07:32.09 | Tekkub | god yes we know kael |
| 07:32.13 | Tekkub | we don't care! |
| 07:32.15 | Kaelten | but seriously guys, using whitespace for blocks is great |
| 07:32.22 | Kaelten | Tekkub: frack you |
| 07:32.26 | Tekkub | you're not gonna get the (dis)approval you're looking for |
| 07:32.35 | Kaelten | Tekkub: no i'm tipsy, |
| 07:32.36 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, is just bitter that he doest get said nails |
| 07:32.43 | Thunder_Child | s/,// |
| 07:32.51 | Kaelten | completely different than looking for disaproval :P |
| 07:32.58 | Tekkub | I'm going to file mine into points, then I'll have claws |
| 07:33.01 | Codayus | It is. I mean, good C-style code is *always* properly indented, so it's sensible to work off that to detect blocks. |
| 07:33.21 | Kaelten | Tekkub: sweet, hope trey likes em :) |
| 07:33.22 | Codayus | :-p |
| 07:33.22 | Thunder_Child | i had a friend that did that Tekkub, very impractical |
| 07:33.37 | Aiiane | Codayus: like I said, autoindenters ftw |
| 07:33.46 | Tekkub | yea I know, works better with toenails anyway |
| 07:33.51 | Kaelten | Codayus: yep, it really is sensible, most coding standards incourage consistant logical indention |
| 07:33.51 | Aiiane | that, and editors that have indentation indicators |
| 07:34.08 | Aiiane | (I think Codayus was being sarcastic... >.>) |
| 07:34.16 | Codayus | Good C code is indented, wrapped in braces, has one statement per line, AND ends in semicolons. It's the belt, suspenders, glue, and staples approach. |
| 07:34.25 | Tekkub | my whole point is, tab indention works for everyone cause you can choose the size *you* want |
| 07:34.46 | Tekkub | it's not a matter of consistancy, you can be inconsistent with space indent just like tabs |
| 07:34.48 | Codayus | No, I was being serious. Making whitespace significant is a perfectly logical idea. |
| 07:34.57 | Kaelten | Tekkub: I think it's a very stupid thing to get worked up over, zeeg loved fighting over it. |
| 07:35.07 | Aiiane | oh, your :-p threw me off Codayus :P |
| 07:35.08 | Tekkub | I'm not worked up over it |
| 07:35.12 | Kaelten | Codayus: I agree honestly |
| 07:35.13 | Codayus | Heh |
| 07:35.19 | Tekkub | I just got a guy bitching about it with github |
| 07:35.25 | Tekkub | and I want to shift the blame :) |
| 07:35.27 | Kaelten | Tekkub: Not saying you are, just you aren't getting the approval you're looking for :P |
| 07:35.36 | Codayus | Let's all agree that switch cases ending in colons are absolutely retarded, yes? Can we all agree on that? |
| 07:35.38 | Kaelten | Tekkub: bitch all you want mate :) |
| 07:35.51 | Tekkub | tabs are the only thing that work consistently for everyone, spaces there will always be someone that doesn't' like the size |
| 07:36.07 | Aiiane | moving on... line endings! |
| 07:36.07 | Kaelten | Tell them about zeeg |
| 07:36.13 | Kaelten | spend a few hours dwelling on him |
| 07:36.21 | Tekkub | and, well, github guys are rails so they do the 2-space bullshit |
| 07:36.21 | Kaelten | and then tell him that he made a big deal about it |
| 07:36.24 | Kaelten | it will shame them into change |
| 07:36.43 | Tekkub | I honestly don't remember anything about zeeg except we all hate him and his site was a failure |
| 07:37.00 | Codayus | ...the name rings a bell. |
| 07:37.01 | Kaelten | lol |
| 07:37.03 | Codayus | Oh! |
| 07:37.06 | Codayus | Damn, I forgot him. |
| 07:37.12 | Kaelten | I worked with the guy for more than a year. |
| 07:37.23 | Tekkub | well, not an UTTER failure, guess it's still around http://www.wowguru.com/ |
| 07:37.28 | Codayus | How could I have forgot that level of megalomania... |
| 07:37.37 | Tekkub | Codayus, repressed |
| 07:37.55 | Kaelten | it's been on autopilot since curse hired him, then he left in january 08 |
| 07:38.40 | Kaelten | hrmmm blue stuff |
| 07:39.03 | pastamancer | oh hi kael, I'm sure ckk and the mysql servers are happy you're back |
| 07:39.11 | Kaelten | I'm not back back |
| 07:39.16 | Kaelten | I'm on vacation til monday |
| 07:39.19 | pastamancer | ah |
| 07:39.28 | Kaelten | but ya I'll be working on them soon, I'm sick of this shit |
| 07:39.33 | pastamancer | well you have some unhappy mysql servers waiting for you |
| 07:39.40 | Kaelten | I'm sure |
| 07:40.22 | Tekkub | hey big-K, I have an odd OneBag issue for you |
| 07:40.28 | Tekkub | one sec lemme get a screenie |
| 07:40.58 | Kaelten | pastamancer: I have a theory of why its fracked, I don't know why that would be, but I think it's chocking on flush to disk |
| 07:41.03 | Tekkub | when I open the AH the first time, having never opened my bag: http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3155786810/ |
| 07:41.12 | Kaelten | fucking innodb using one huge damned file |
| 07:41.35 | Kaelten | sweet, your strata is funny |
| 07:41.44 | Tekkub | never changed it from default |
| 07:41.56 | Aiiane | Kaelten: that would sort of make sense with the symptoms |
| 07:41.57 | pastamancer | Kaelten: we should talk more when you are officially back, you should get curse to pay for your USENIX and SAGE memberships and then start going to conferences and probably join LOPSA too |
| 07:42.12 | Aiiane | namely being slow as crap every so often, then running fine for a bit, then slow as crap again |
| 07:42.25 | Kaelten | Aiiane: and it's always caused by a insert/update |
| 07:42.32 | Aiiane | not selects |
| 07:42.36 | Kaelten | yep |
| 07:42.43 | Kaelten | and it locks _all_ tables not just the one being updated |
| 07:42.55 | Tekkub | extra protection |
| 07:42.59 | pastamancer | that's not right... innodb should be doing row-level lockiing |
| 07:43.07 | ckknight | pastamancer: right |
| 07:43.08 | pastamancer | that's the big gain over isam :/ |
| 07:43.10 | Kaelten | pastamancer: its not locking thats causing it |
| 07:43.14 | ckknight | it doesn't matter whether we use MyISAM or InnoDB |
| 07:43.15 | ckknight | they both do it |
| 07:43.19 | Kaelten | things _aren't_ locked |
| 07:43.28 | ckknight | things are just hanging :-P |
| 07:43.36 | Kaelten | ckknight: of they all are changed back i'm betting it'd fix |
| 07:43.48 | ckknight | verb? |
| 07:43.51 | pastamancer | ah, you should find your local SAGE/LISA/LOPSA group and ask them |
| 07:43.52 | Thunder_Child | if |
| 07:43.57 | Kaelten | if |
| 07:44.03 | Thunder_Child | o is close to i on the keyboard |
| 07:44.03 | ckknight | fix what? |
| 07:44.09 | Thunder_Child | logical deduction |
| 07:44.15 | Kaelten | ckknight: the problem |
| 07:44.22 | ckknight | Kaelten: they're all back to InnoDB now |
| 07:44.26 | ckknight | well, not filekey |
| 07:44.30 | ckknight | you said to leave that |
| 07:44.31 | Kaelten | back to myisam |
| 07:44.35 | ckknight | again? |
| 07:44.38 | Kaelten | but I don't want to do that |
| 07:44.40 | ckknight | but that didn't fix the problem. |
| 07:44.42 | ckknight | I tried that. |
| 07:44.47 | Kaelten | no, all the tables |
| 07:44.50 | Kaelten | and disable innodb |
| 07:44.53 | ckknight | ick |
| 07:45.16 | ckknight | btw, I was pointed in the direction of it being a libc pthread issue |
| 07:45.24 | pastamancer | eww |
| 07:45.26 | ckknight | not positive whether or not that's true |
| 07:46.04 | Kaelten | there is a 7.5G file there, that I think is the core of the issue |
| 07:46.15 | Kaelten | not 100% sure, but its my guess |
| 07:46.20 | Kaelten | something with flushing that file to disk |
| 07:46.35 | Kaelten | maybe fracking slow due to the 32 bit os, fuck if I know |
| 07:47.17 | Aiiane | xchat has crap? |
| 07:47.28 | Kaelten | Aiiane: it's a paid addon |
| 07:47.41 | Aiiane | o.0 |
| 07:47.42 | Diskmaster | Stupid highlight |
| 07:47.46 | Kaelten | lol |
| 07:48.06 | Tekkub | hrm.... some time back someone, somewhere linked a site with a bunch of photoshopped book covers |
| 07:48.12 | Tekkub | anyone got the link? |
| 07:48.14 | Kaelten | pastamancer: not sure if you think I'm full of it or not, hehe, but ts the best I got |
| 07:48.35 | Kaelten | sorry Diskmaster |
| 07:48.36 | Tekkub | like Dune was "Don't bother reading the rest of the series" or something like that |
| 07:48.50 | Tekkub | Golden COmpass was "Hey kids, God doesn't exist!" |
| 07:48.57 | Kaelten | lol |
| 07:48.59 | Diskmaster | Don't worry about it much, I just wasn't aware it wasn't like that |
| 07:49.14 | pastamancer | Kaelten: I'm not intimately familiar with mysql, but we can talk later about how to determine where the bottleneck is |
| 07:49.18 | Kaelten | wonder if they're going to make the other books |
| 07:49.24 | Kaelten | into movies |
| 07:49.51 | Tekkub | I hope they do, panserbjørn >>>> all |
| 07:49.57 | Kaelten | lol |
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| 07:50.14 | Aiiane | "rawr", Tekkub. "rawr". |
| 07:50.28 | Kaelten | pastamancer: no I mean outputting a 7.5GB file to disk in a 32bit os |
| 07:51.13 | Kaelten | but ya, we can talk monday |
| 07:51.27 | pastamancer | Kaelten: any database worth running shouldn't be writing the entire file to disk, it should be using a hash based on the primary key to determine a bucket of blocks to write to and mmap()-ing that |
| 07:51.55 | Kaelten | pastamancer: ya, now take into consideration that file has the data for all innodb tables |
| 07:51.56 | pastamancer | then changing those blocks and flushing to disk should only write those blocks |
| 07:52.18 | pastamancer | wait... all the tables are in one file? |
| 07:52.25 | Kaelten | yep |
| 07:52.31 | Kaelten | default setting for innodb |
| 07:52.35 | pastamancer | that just plain sounds bad |
| 07:52.40 | Tekkub | and in the process I find this... |
| 07:52.40 | Kaelten | that's my thoughts too |
| 07:52.41 | Tekkub | http://www.cracked.com/article_15923_40-most-inappropriate-childrens-book-covers.html |
| 07:52.51 | pastamancer | I'm even more glad we're a postgres shop |
| 07:53.07 | Tekkub | "Hop on Pop - But seriously, watch out tor pop's balls" |
| 07:53.15 | Kaelten | i'll be redeploying it using one file per table |
| 07:53.18 | Tekkub | postgres ftfw! |
| 07:53.27 | Aiiane | that sounds much more workable, Kaelten |
| 07:53.38 | Kaelten | if it continues to frack with me I'll switch us to postgres |
| 07:54.01 | Kaelten | or hell, I'll even defect to mysql worst case, but this shit has got to get fixed |
| 07:54.04 | pastamancer | well you should anyways, but I can find a mysql expert if you want/need one |
| 07:54.10 | Shirik | Some of those are just plain stupid Tekkub |
| 07:54.13 | Shirik | but some of those are funny |
| 07:54.16 | Shirik | I especially like Clifford |
| 07:54.35 | Tekkub | yes, there's a wide range of quality |
| 07:55.12 | Kaelten | pastamancer: did they ever fix the horizontal scaling issues with postgres? |
| 07:55.20 | Aiiane | er |
| 07:55.28 | Aiiane | "defect to mysql" isnt that what you were already running |
| 07:55.41 | Kaelten | er, your're right I meant mssql |
| 07:55.47 | Tekkub | AH! I found it! |
| 07:55.48 | Tekkub | http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/10/20/mgk-versus-his-adolescent-reading-habits/ |
| 07:56.11 | Kaelten | hey I liked the mallorean! |
| 07:56.30 | pastamancer | Kaelten: you can get multiple read-only slaves via slony, but scaling databases horizontally is really the job of middleware |
| 07:56.51 | pastamancer | Kaelten: and we can talk more about that too on monday |
| 07:56.55 | Kaelten | kk |
| 07:57.20 | Kaelten | lmao Conan the Libertarian |
| 07:57.53 | Tekkub | "A Tale of Five Million Experience Points" hehe |
| 07:57.54 | pastamancer | but basically, even with oracle, having multiple database servers is problematic and you need to have middleware that maps requests to the appropriate db server which will only hold a portion of your data |
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| 07:58.33 | Tekkub | "Star Wars - 100% Anakin-free" |
| 08:00.04 | Kaelten | i'm sorry, they're being a dick to eddings. |
| 08:00.16 | Kaelten | his latest work was very cyclical but the mallorean was very good |
| 08:00.49 | Tekkub | *sigh* |
| 08:00.57 | Kaelten | :P |
| 08:02.31 | Codayus | Heh |
| 08:03.25 | Codayus | Actually, I thought Redemption of Althalus wasn't bad. True, it had the same plot and many of the same characters as every previous book. But I thought he was really making some improvments, and I look forward to reading Generic Eddings Fantasy version 4.0 whenever it gets out of beta. |
| 08:03.53 | Kaelten | all of his characters have a general type |
| 08:04.20 | Kaelten | his most unique work was probably regina's song |
| 08:04.39 | Kaelten | he's still one of my favorite authors of all time though |
| 08:04.53 | Codayus | ...eww. :-( |
| 08:05.19 | Shirik | heh, I now have a log of how my new year's went |
| 08:05.23 | Codayus | He's too prone to using very obvious stereotypes and cliches for my taste. |
| 08:05.30 | Kaelten | and church politics has never been as interesting as sparhawk |
| 08:05.30 | pastamancer | Shirik: I need graphs! |
| 08:05.45 | Codayus | Alright, Sparhawk was fun, I'll grant you. |
| 08:05.45 | Shirik | !!!> 12-31-08 23:43:01.373 - null : java.lang.AssertionError |
| 08:05.45 | Shirik | com.mmoui.manager.NewsManager$1.stateChanged(NewsManager.java:154) |
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| 08:05.52 | Shirik | SNN> 01-01-09 00:28:55.878 - System Startup - Log Ready. Log level: DEBUG |
| 08:05.53 | Guillotine | Happy New Year everyone! |
| 08:06.05 | Shirik | My new year's celebration lasted 45 minutes, I'm impressed |
| 08:06.23 | Kaelten | same to you Guillotine |
| 08:06.26 | Shirik | happy new year, Guillotine |
| 08:06.45 | Codayus | Would have been nice if he'd gone in a slightly more noir vibe, with even more cynicism, cutting deals with crime lords, assasinating poltical enemies, and so forth. |
| 08:07.05 | Guillotine | Shirik: You measure your new year's celebration by system up-time? |
| 08:07.22 | Shirik | (03:05:03) (@Shirik) heh, I now have a log of how my new year's went |
| 08:07.35 | Guillotine | haha |
| 08:07.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: FAIL |
| 08:07.36 | Kaelten | Codayus: In some ways I think he's a fallback to a older generation of storytellers, but then again that may be my youthful ignorance |
| 08:07.37 | Shirik | I was debugging before and after new year's celebration, so the obvious gap in the log is my celebration |
| 08:07.49 | Codayus | Also - back to the book covers - the Rober Jordan one is extremely accurate. Until I gave up on the series, each new book was a question of "hey, do any of the characters I care about show up in this one?" Usually answered by "no, no, yes but only for 10 pages, no". |
| 08:08.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I actually got back from a movie with friends at 12:15. Messaged another friend, "failure" |
| 08:08.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Turns out he was playing WoW |
| 08:08.12 | Shirik | heh |
| 08:08.14 | Shirik | haha |
| 08:08.49 | Thunder_Child | i need to start reading thoes again |
| 08:08.56 | Kaelten | I was disapointed with the ending of the meridith gentry books |
| 08:08.57 | Thunder_Child | i think i stoped around 10 |
| 08:09.09 | Codayus | Balanced by "hey, do he go off into some bizarre women are always better than men in every way miniplot?" usually answered by "yes, twice"... |
| 08:09.37 | Kaelten | Codayus: you know what was a very _unique_ and and _interesting_ read? |
| 08:10.07 | Kaelten | finding the link |
| 08:10.14 | Codayus | Heh |
| 08:10.34 | Kaelten | http://tinyurl.com/7qjjjm |
| 08:11.00 | Codayus | Haven't read that. |
| 08:11.13 | Kaelten | 700 or so pages, read it in a little over 4 days during the holidays |
| 08:11.20 | Kaelten | seriously, an interesting read |
| 08:11.43 | Kaelten | very unique and very good |
| 08:11.58 | Kaelten | don't think anyone can really be a winner in that world |
| 08:12.17 | Codayus | Hmm, read anything by Bujold? |
| 08:12.22 | Kaelten | hrm, don't think so |
| 08:12.33 | Codayus | I'd say she's the best scifi author writing today by some margin. |
| 08:13.04 | Thunder_Child | hardly |
| 08:13.09 | Codayus | Lies |
| 08:13.23 | Thunder_Child | i is an avid sci-fi reader....so no |
| 08:13.23 | Aiiane | call me plain, I've been reading david weber recently >.> |
| 08:13.30 | Thunder_Child | <3 david webber |
| 08:13.36 | Codayus | In any case, her work is *great*. (Well, the Vorkosigan stuff, her fantasy is good, but...) |
| 08:13.38 | Aiiane | one b dear :P |
| 08:13.56 | Kaelten | hrm, what was the name of that author |
| 08:13.59 | Codayus | Meh, Weber can't do characters to save his life. ...I mean I've read everything he's written twice, but he's not in the same league. |
| 08:14.04 | Guillotine | Its an old one, but Spider Robinson is awesome |
| 08:14.06 | Kaelten | starts witha C think the series was called faded sun triology |
| 08:14.08 | Codayus | ...some of it more than twice... |
| 08:14.12 | Codayus | Cherryh |
| 08:14.15 | Codayus | Maybe? |
| 08:14.20 | Kaelten | Codayus: think so |
| 08:14.28 | Kaelten | or close to it |
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| 08:14.57 | Kaelten | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faded_Sun_Trilogy |
| 08:14.59 | Kaelten | yep that was it |
| 08:15.06 | Codayus | C J Cherryh is good, but mixed. Her harder sci fi (merchanter universe, especially cyteen) is *AWESOME*. Her softer stuff with fuzzy aliens is meh. OTOH, Paladin was good. |
| 08:15.08 | Kaelten | best sci fi series I've read |
| 08:15.38 | Kaelten | david brin has some interesting sci fi |
| 08:15.56 | Thunder_Child | honestly the author i think can do the best characters is terry goodkind...with the posible execption of the guy who did the white gold series |
| 08:16.14 | Aiiane | maybe it's just me, but for casual reading I prefer things that don't go *too* deep |
| 08:16.19 | Kaelten | I think at times the sword of truth series got a way from him here and there |
| 08:16.22 | Codayus | Thunder_Child: Problem with Weber is he's prone to writing sections which appear to be play by play descriptions of someone playing a wargame. His heros tend to become too strong, balanced by periodic attempts to balance it by adding a tragic flaw, which he can't bear to make TOO tragic... |
| 08:16.39 | Guillotine | Sword of Truth series was good. Got very preachy near the end though. |
| 08:16.43 | Thunder_Child | Codayus, hereos ARE strong...thats kinda the point |
| 08:16.54 | Kaelten | Thunder_Child: not in empress |
| 08:17.01 | Kaelten | the characters, all of them, are deeply flawed |
| 08:17.17 | Codayus | Yesssss. But. At some point you flip from hero to superman (or, in Weber's case, usually superwoman). |
| 08:17.18 | Kaelten | :s |
| 08:17.25 | Aiiane | >.> |
| 08:17.39 | Kaelten | Aiiane: I enjoy a good story |
| 08:17.44 | pastamancer | does anyone still write really hard scifi like niven or asmov anymore? |
| 08:17.46 | Kaelten | something I can see as I read it |
| 08:18.02 | Codayus | Not to spoil the plot, since they're very good books and worth reading, but Harrington kinda jumped the shark in terms of believability a long time ago. ...his Armgageddon Reef series is KICK ASS though, I can't wait for book 3. |
| 08:18.06 | Kaelten | pastamancer: depends on how much you've deified them ;) |
| 08:18.16 | Thunder_Child | Kaelten, empress? |
| 08:18.16 | Aiiane | Codayus: that's what I've most recently been reading |
| 08:18.24 | Kaelten | oh, neal stephenson, AMAZING |
| 08:18.33 | Codayus | pastamancer: Yes! Read Boundary by Eric Flint & Ryk Spoor. |
| 08:18.37 | Aiiane | but (since we're on the topic of spoilders) !@#@%@#$ semi-cliffhanger endings |
| 08:18.49 | Kaelten | Thunder_Child: http://tinyurl.com/7qjjjm |
| 08:19.02 | pastamancer | Kaelten: heavy concept, plot is secondary |
| 08:19.10 | Thunder_Child | i prefered webbers Dahak series personnaly |
| 08:19.11 | Codayus | It's like a classic Niven/Pournelle book. (The good kind, not the weird sequels they phoned in...) |
| 08:19.21 | Kaelten | Snow Crash and Diamond Age are some of my favorite books |
| 08:19.35 | Codayus | Meh, Dahak was okay, but Armageddon Reef was better - a clear refinement. |
| 08:20.12 | Aiiane | Weber/Ringo's March Upcountry series was interesting |
| 08:20.15 | Thunder_Child | i didnt think so. but singly i prefer in fury born |
| 08:20.16 | Codayus | ...Boundary is my favorite bit of hard classic-style sci fi in a *long* time. |
| 08:20.27 | Thunder_Child | Aiiane, agreed |
| 08:20.31 | Codayus | Aiiane: Yeah, but the last book had some cringe inducing continuity errors. |
| 08:20.32 | Thunder_Child | i hope more come out |
| 08:20.47 | Aiiane | Codayus: true |
| 08:20.51 | Codayus | (*cough*Mardukan power amror*cough* |
| 08:20.58 | Kaelten | Codayus: ya I hate it when an author seems to forget what they've written |
| 08:21.17 | Thunder_Child | Codayus, how is that a continuity issue? |
| 08:21.30 | Codayus | I think they're doing a sequel to the March series though, be interesting to see what they did. ...you can def tell Ringo's influence on the character development. He's better than Weber, IMHO. |
| 08:21.35 | Kaelten | or when I'm sitting there _YELLING_ at the damn characters because they should know something |
| 08:21.37 | Aiiane | oh, the Bolos series is good, though |
| 08:21.59 | Shirik | you yell at books? |
| 08:22.07 | Kaelten | Shirik: in my head |
| 08:22.14 | Shirik | ok well that's a little better I guess |
| 08:22.29 | Shirik | like I know my grandfather yells at the TV somtimes, but I think if I saw someone yelling at a book... |
| 08:22.29 | Aiiane | Codayus: if you get a chance, check out Hell's Gate |
| 08:22.34 | Aiiane | it's the start of a new series |
| 08:22.39 | Kaelten | Guillotine: meh, its happened, :( |
| 08:22.39 | Thunder_Child | john ringos "into the looking glass" series is doing nicely since the tech is factual |
| 08:22.42 | Aiiane | a bit on the long side but pretty good |
| 08:22.49 | Kaelten | but mostly in my head |
| 08:22.58 | Aiiane | a society based on magic encounters a society based on technology and telepathy |
| 08:22.59 | Codayus | Thunder_Child: There was a battle plan the relied on some items which had been a plot point earlier. That whole cluster of pot threads dead ended, and they did something completely random, which made no sense, got a bunch of characters killed, kicked off a touching but pointless death sequence...and none of it fit the setup. So random. |
| 08:23.11 | Thunder_Child | Aiiane, i have that...there is also a sequal |
| 08:23.18 | Shirik | Only time I've ever yelled at a book was in the middle of technical documentation when there was something obviously wrong and could have made very bad things happen if I didn't catch it |
| 08:23.20 | Codayus | Aiiane: Tried to start it twice, never got into it, no idea why. |
| 08:23.22 | Aiiane | Thunder_Child: is there?? i had looked to see if the next had come out |
| 08:23.27 | Aiiane | couldn't find one |
| 08:23.40 | Aiiane | Codayus: it starts slow, but gets better |
| 08:23.47 | Codayus | I'll try again. |
| 08:24.56 | Kaelten | Codayus: sounds like me and WoT |
| 08:25.01 | Kaelten | or Tolkien |
| 08:25.30 | Aiiane | The Council Wars series from Ringo was just pure fun to read. |
| 08:25.40 | Thunder_Child | Aiiane, http://www.amazon.com/Hell-Hath-Fury-BOOK-MULTIVERSE/dp/141655551X/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b |
| 08:25.48 | Kaelten | WoT I couldn't get past the first 50 or so pages, tolkien always gets me around tom badildo or whatever his name was scene |
| 08:26.06 | Aiiane | :o |
| 08:26.09 | Cidan | Bombadil |
| 08:26.26 | pastamancer | isn't WoT one of those series that went on way longer than it should have? |
| 08:26.54 | Kaelten | pastamancer: I'm sure |
| 08:27.14 | Kaelten | series should have a defined end point early, imho |
| 08:27.15 | Codayus | pastamancer: Arguable. I'd say it should have been about four seperate series, but similar criticism. |
| 08:27.26 | Aiiane | Thunder_Child: not nearly as many pages as the first, heh :P |
| 08:27.29 | pastamancer | what I'd really love to find is something comparable to asimov's foundation series |
| 08:27.48 | Kaelten | Codayus: exactly, same with terry goodkind |
| 08:28.08 | Codayus | Heh, now THAT series...I think should have stopped after book 1. :-( |
| 08:28.15 | Kaelten | long series like those are subject to being out of touch, at least sometime |
| 08:28.26 | Codayus | I know, I know, everyone loves Goodkind. ...except me. :-( |
| 08:28.29 | Thunder_Child | mercedes lackey did her timelines well with different trilogies |
| 08:28.48 | Kaelten | Codayus; I love it, except that I think certain books should have been done much differently |
| 08:28.56 | Kaelten | and some are very bad |
| 08:28.58 | Guillotine | pastamancer: I personally don't think WoT went on too long. |
| 08:29.18 | Kaelten | Thunder_Child: indeed, the few I've read were good |
| 08:29.30 | Codayus | Heh, in my...sophmore year of college, I got into an argument with someone over whether WoT was better than Lord of the Rings. I took the yes position. |
| 08:29.34 | pastamancer | I have a hard time getting into anything that's more than 3-4 books long |
| 08:29.41 | Codayus | I still cringe in retrospect. I have no idea what I was thinking. |
| 08:29.47 | Thunder_Child | Kaelten, i have many of them, it has a very good continuity over many series |
| 08:29.54 | Guillotine | I mostly like Goodkind and the SoT series. My main issue with it was books that ended up influencing the overall plot just about none and only preached some ideal. |
| 08:30.06 | Kaelten | I think even harry potter was a series that got away form her |
| 08:30.33 | pastamancer | but then again, I'm still waiting for David Gerrold to finish the War agains the Chtorr series |
| 08:30.43 | Kaelten | the last two books felt very rushed and just .... not part of the series |
| 08:31.10 | Aiiane | 3-4 books is about the right length for any series. |
| 08:31.28 | Thunder_Child | i prefer 10-15 myself |
| 08:31.30 | Kaelten | Aiiane: I think 5 is pushing it, and even then only for the better authors, or authors of short books |
| 08:31.51 | Aiiane | you can use characters and whatnot again, and write another series in the same world |
| 08:32.25 | Aiiane | but it's best to at least have some sort of ability to jump to some other storyline |
| 08:32.30 | Kaelten | exactly, name me a single 10-15 book series that doesn't feel like something is off somewhere in the serieis, that a book shouldn't have existed or have story fuckups, or rushed books |
| 08:33.00 | Thunder_Child | nope cant |
| 08:33.07 | Thunder_Child | still like em though |
| 08:33.08 | Kaelten | neither can I |
| 08:33.20 | Kaelten | imagine if they had been 3 4 or 5 book series |
| 08:33.34 | Kaelten | each with their own plot archs, and solid story lines |
| 08:33.42 | Kaelten | building on the blocks left in the previous one |
| 08:33.52 | Kaelten | how much better could they have ben |
| 08:33.54 | Kaelten | been |
| 08:34.23 | Thunder_Child | elizibeth moon has 2 series that are pushing 5+ that seem to be doing rather well |
| 08:34.35 | Codayus | Serrano series blows chunks. :-( |
| 08:34.44 | Thunder_Child | not to me |
| 08:34.49 | Codayus | Pft |
| 08:34.56 | Kaelten | hamilton's series are good but definately lost themselves |
| 08:34.57 | Thunder_Child | elizabeth* |
| 08:35.16 | Codayus | I can't stand it. The first book was alright, the second was bad, and the rest are teribad. |
| 08:35.29 | Codayus | Her new series, Vatta? That's good. |
| 08:35.30 | Kaelten | haven't read anita blake, but the gentry series most definately seems to be fucked upf or the last 3 or 4 books |
| 08:38.14 | Codayus | Hamilton...hmm. He's the guy who did the zombies in space thing where one of the main characters was the resurrected spirit of Al Capone? Thousands of years in the far future, right? |
| 08:38.29 | Kaelten | lol, not the one i'm thinking of |
| 08:38.50 | Codayus | Hamilton crits your suspension of disbelief for 15k damage. Your suspension of disbelief dies. :-( |
| 08:39.08 | Codayus | (I *think* it was Hamilton. Hm, maybe I better double check before dissing random authors.) |
| 08:39.11 | Kaelten | http://www.amazon.com/Kiss-Shadows-Meredith-Gentry-Book/dp/0345423402/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230799119&sr=1-2 |
| 08:39.33 | Kaelten | is the hamilton I'm talking about |
| 08:39.57 | Codayus | Oh, I assumed you meant Peter F Hamilton. |
| 08:39.59 | Codayus | My bad. :-) |
| 08:40.21 | Kaelten | alternate history, faeries are real, sex magic is a big part of the series, and the last 3 or 4 books is one giant climax |
| 08:40.23 | Codayus | (Peter F Hamilton does some decent hard sci fi if you skip all the books that involve stupid psyonics or space zombies.) |
| 08:40.26 | Kaelten | or so |
| 08:40.37 | Kaelten | and the ending was so damn anti climatic |
| 08:40.53 | Kaelten | Codayus: lol |
| 08:42.18 | Aiiane | ...wait, what |
| 08:42.35 | Aiiane | all i saw there was 'faeries', 'sex magic' and 'climax' |
| 08:42.45 | Aiiane | perverts. :P |
| 08:42.55 | Kaelten | Aiiane: it's her books! |
| 08:42.56 | Wobin | it's about as close to porn as you can get |
| 08:42.57 | Kaelten | not mine |
| 08:43.00 | Codayus | Hey, hard sci fi where the hero is the reanimated zombie of Al Capone is pretty weird too! |
| 08:43.02 | Kaelten | Wobin: very true |
| 08:43.04 | Wobin | but the problem is |
| 08:43.06 | Wobin | it's stupid porn |
| 08:43.11 | Kaelten | I've read erotica less explicit |
| 08:43.15 | Wobin | the first few AB books were good |
| 08:43.20 | Wobin | but then she got all Mary Sue |
| 08:43.33 | Thunder_Child | Codayus, cant be hard sci-fi then |
| 08:43.38 | Kaelten | Wobin: read the first 3 or 4 meridith gentry |
| 08:43.39 | Wobin | ... yet she still writes better than whatserface Twilight |
| 08:43.39 | pastamancer | I'd be hard pressed to call it hard scifi if the main character is the zombie of al caphone |
| 08:43.41 | Kaelten | they're good too |
| 08:44.11 | Codayus | Heh, it was trying. Some hand waving about energy vortexes and dimensions. |
| 08:44.41 | Aiiane | on the other hand, ringo's Paladin of Shadow's series is pretty damn explicit too >.> |
| 08:44.46 | Thunder_Child | Codayus, cant be hard sci-fi if we dont have a handle on it |
| 08:44.46 | pastamancer | go resurrect the ghost of aismov or heinlen and get a good story! :p |
| 08:45.00 | Kaelten | Aiiane: the books are about brining life back to faerie, she does this by fucking half the royal court, it lost plot purpose in the last few books, or seemed to anyway :S |
| 08:45.19 | Codayus | Aiiane: True, but he does a good action sequence, no? |
| 08:45.21 | Thunder_Child | doesnt mean you stopped reading though Kaelten |
| 08:45.35 | Wobin | yes |
| 08:45.40 | Wobin | LKH does not go for 'subtle' porn |
| 08:45.42 | Aiiane | Codayus: in a very double-entendre sort of way :D |
| 08:45.44 | Kaelten | Thunder_Child: no i read them all, I skipped over some scenes, but I read them all |
| 08:45.58 | Wobin | try 'Purple Prose' |
| 08:46.08 | Codayus | Hmm, come to think of it, I had a guildie who was really into the Anita Blake books. She apparently liked the explicit sexual content. ...she was also into light bondage, and liked to make jokes about it in guild chat. You meet weird people on the intarwebs sometimes... |
| 08:46.16 | Aiiane | >.> |
| 08:46.19 | Aiiane | v.v |
| 08:46.27 | Kaelten | a few steps shy of the cinderella chronicals? |
| 08:46.32 | Thunder_Child | you are not supposed to skip the porn scenes Kaelten |
| 08:46.49 | Kaelten | Thunder_Child: you can't really since they _ARE_ the damned plot |
| 08:46.50 | Wobin | Kaelten: http://www.likesbooks.com/ppp20032.html#anita |
| 08:46.54 | Aiiane | Kaelten technically didnt say he skipped the porn scenes |
| 08:47.13 | Thunder_Child | true, but it was suggested |
| 08:47.22 | Wobin | unfortunately, the further you get in the series |
| 08:47.23 | Kaelten | I normally skimmed them |
| 08:47.29 | Wobin | the larger the percentage of the book is pure smut |
| 08:47.37 | Kaelten | Wobin: except for the last book and a half |
| 08:47.42 | Aiiane | Codayus: some of ringo's novels are like girlporn, except with good writing wrapping it :D |
| 08:47.43 | Wobin | The whole idea was pretty well constructed initially |
| 08:47.49 | Codayus | What a letdown, eh Kaelten? |
| 08:47.50 | Kaelten | which I think only had 1 sex scene |
| 08:47.50 | Wobin | And then Anita got too powerful too fast |
| 08:47.53 | Aiiane | (girlporn of course being romance novels) |
| 08:47.55 | Codayus | Aiiane: True. |
| 08:48.19 | Wobin | And her bed got a revolving door installed |
| 08:48.37 | Aiiane | although i dont think most romance novels typically involve bdsm play >.> |
| 08:48.51 | Kaelten | Wobin: sounds kinda lke the other series in some ways |
| 08:48.56 | Codayus | Varies... |
| 08:49.01 | Wobin | Kaelten: s'true |
| 08:49.25 | Kaelten | Wobin: read the first handful of gentry if you didn't, they're good, but there are a few books where are 95% porn |
| 08:49.35 | Wobin | I read the first two |
| 08:49.42 | pastamancer | bleh |
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| 08:49.48 | Kaelten | and then she tried to fit 5 or so books worht of plot into the last 2 books with only 1 sex scene |
| 08:49.54 | Wobin | oh noes |
| 08:50.04 | Wobin | how could she support a plot without porn? |
| 08:50.22 | Wobin | oh well |
| 08:50.24 | Kaelten | she finished it off with fucking the half golbin half sidhe warriors to give them back their magic |
| 08:50.28 | Wobin | she's still better than Stephanie Meyer =P |
| 08:50.39 | pastamancer | I'll take Spider Robinson's non-stop punning before I read "scifi" that's really erotica |
| 08:50.45 | Wobin | With the healing power of TEH SEX |
| 08:50.52 | Kaelten | even showed how they where, with 100% no forshadowing, they where more tender than we'd been lead to believe |
| 08:50.52 | Wobin | I enjoyed Spider Robinson |
| 08:50.59 | pastamancer | I do too |
| 08:51.01 | Wobin | Surprise! |
| 08:51.15 | pastamancer | but there's only so much "let's get high and save the world" I can take |
| 08:51.18 | Wobin | Welcome to Deusexmachina, population YOU |
| 08:51.20 | pastamancer | even if it is entertaining |
| 08:51.26 | Kaelten | pastamancer: lmao |
| 08:51.42 | Aiiane | I think I'm going to head to bed before I spill any more of my personal tastes :P |
| 08:51.42 | pastamancer | Wobin: make mine a mickey finn |
| 08:51.43 | Aiiane | g'night! |
| 08:51.46 | Kaelten | see what's funny is when you read porno that somehow grows a complicated plot out of it |
| 08:51.59 | pastamancer | Kaelten: so he fixes the cable? |
| 08:52.17 | Kaelten | Aiiane: awwwe but we want to get to *know* you :P |
| 08:52.30 | Kaelten | pastamancer: lol |
| 08:53.27 | Kaelten | pastamancer: there are two amature series I can think of that started off being more about fucking people but turned into a heavily plot driven story. |
| 08:53.37 | Kaelten | seemingly out of no where too. |
| 08:53.49 | Kaelten | it was.. interesting |
| 08:54.52 | Aiiane | yeah, I think it's definitely time for me to head to bed now :P |
| 08:54.54 | Kaelten | and without _too_ much mary sueing |
| 08:55.02 | Kaelten | Aiiane: sorry :( |
| 08:55.34 | Aiiane | more because im tired ;) |
| 08:55.40 | Aiiane | really night! |
| 08:56.17 | Kaelten | g'night Aii |
| 08:59.40 | Thunder_Child | Kaelten, in retrospect there is a series that is at 8 and pusshing more that is as good as it was, the Stardoc series by S.L. Viehl |
| 09:00.08 | Kaelten | I'd have to say he's likely one of the best writers alive, or one of the luckiest |
| 09:00.20 | Kaelten | or your view is slanted ;) |
| 09:00.29 | Kaelten | assuming what you say is true |
| 09:01.17 | Thunder_Child | i dont see how that is any different than a tv series beeing just as good from the first to the last..with some ep's that arent quite up there |
| 09:01.31 | Kaelten | most aren't |
| 09:02.17 | Kaelten | and tv shows are many times written by teams |
| 09:02.50 | Thunder_Child | large teamed writing never did seem to work for books |
| 09:03.05 | Kaelten | ya not really |
| 09:03.08 | Kaelten | normally only a few |
| 09:03.21 | Kaelten | like 2 |
| 09:03.22 | Kaelten | at amost |
| 09:03.26 | Thunder_Child | i am not aware of any books that had more than 3 |
| 09:03.50 | Kaelten | nothing thats not an anthology |
| 09:04.28 | Thunder_Child | like the rather good spelljammer series |
| 09:05.55 | Kaelten | but ya, most large series are subject to fuckups, and it takes an exceptional author to write more than 3 or 4 that are all good and make sense. |
| 09:06.58 | Kaelten | tv shows are subject to a different set of rules I think |
| 09:07.00 | Thunder_Child | ohhh...well unless it is a large fuckup i wont notice it since i flow with the story and do not compare it to previous works |
| 09:07.24 | Kaelten | I think the tendency is to judge a series of books by its better examples |
| 09:07.35 | Kaelten | people don't love SoT for blood of the fallen |
| 09:07.56 | Thunder_Child | i liked blood of the fallen for the emotions it evoked |
| 09:08.10 | Kaelten | but it was a pretty boring read |
| 09:08.11 | Thunder_Child | most books dont do that |
| 09:08.21 | Kaelten | it didn't for me. |
| 09:08.35 | Kaelten | a few around the first to second quarter |
| 09:08.39 | Kaelten | didn't do it for me |
| 09:08.44 | Kaelten | and were a drudgery to get through |
| 09:08.57 | Kaelten | and a few towards the third/fourth quarter |
| 09:09.12 | Kaelten | the last there were an obvious trilogy |
| 09:09.25 | Thunder_Child | if i got to a book that bored me i wouldnt continue on with the series |
| 09:09.46 | Kaelten | I'll continue, but I'd slow down |
| 09:09.54 | Kaelten | unless it _really_ bores me |
| 09:09.56 | Thunder_Child | Kaelten, the last 3 are in theory one book |
| 09:10.22 | Kaelten | Thunder_Child: isn't that what in many ways what a trilogy is? |
| 09:11.39 | Thunder_Child | Kaelten, no, they are 3 contigus books not one book in three parts. |
| 09:11.58 | Kaelten | meh, I've seen it done both ways |
| 09:12.07 | Kaelten | either works, but one leaves you more pissy if they're too far apart |
| 09:12.11 | Thunder_Child | there can be time lost between the books in a trilogy |
| 09:12.40 | Kaelten | oh ya definately, |
| 09:12.49 | Kaelten | or even seperate stories presented in each three |
| 09:12.49 | Thunder_Child | the last 2 of 4 books in the memory, sorrow and thorn trilogy |
| 09:12.56 | Thunder_Child | is a good example |
| 09:13.12 | Kaelten | better example, turtuledove's hammer & anvil series |
| 09:13.23 | Kaelten | they show portion of the same story from different perspectives |
| 09:13.49 | Thunder_Child | granted the last two books gave the same name and are part 1 and part 2 |
| 09:13.52 | Thunder_Child | have* |
| 09:13.53 | Kaelten | very cool read by the way |
| 09:14.55 | Thunder_Child | linky? |
| 09:15.02 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 09:15.20 | Thunder_Child | looks like it's the time of troubles series |
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| 09:16.12 | Kaelten | yep |
| 09:16.17 | Kaelten | just found it myself |
| 09:16.22 | Kaelten | but ya that series |
| 09:16.25 | Kaelten | very interesting read |
| 09:16.40 | Thunder_Child | i miss having a used/2nd hand book store close by, i got some great eclectic books i would have never otherwise read |
| 09:16.54 | Kaelten | paperbackswap.com |
| 09:17.12 | Kaelten | even if you aren't into swapping buying credits and getting books that way are good |
| 09:18.00 | Thunder_Child | but i cant browse like i did....thats what made me buy it |
| 09:18.12 | Kaelten | browse on amazon, buy there |
| 09:18.20 | Kaelten | thats what I did |
| 09:18.23 | Kaelten | but ya I know what you mean |
| 09:18.39 | Kaelten | ohhhh, dave duncan, speaking of out of print books |
| 09:18.41 | Thunder_Child | like i never would have get..say...Starluck |
| 09:18.44 | Kaelten | he has some very good stuff |
| 09:18.55 | Kaelten | but most of his best work is out of print |
| 09:19.05 | Thunder_Child | which is a fantastic book but aslo out of print |
| 09:19.35 | Kaelten | http://www.daveduncan.com/books.html |
| 09:19.46 | Kaelten | Seventh Sword, _amazing_ |
| 09:20.11 | Thunder_Child | i am getting pissed with books that are out of print/stock that should not be.....books that were made any time in the last 5 years should not be out of print |
| 09:20.14 | Kaelten | man of his word & a handfull of men are incridible |
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| 09:20.33 | Kaelten | Thunder_Child: many books shouldn't be out of print but are :s |
| 09:21.28 | Thunder_Child | Kaelten, well i am talking about stuff that was just released, regardless of if it is good or not |
| 09:21.33 | Kaelten | david farland is also one of my favs |
| 09:21.48 | Kaelten | heh, looks like he worked on starcraft brood wars |
| 09:21.58 | Kaelten | heh |
| 09:22.23 | Kaelten | but ya, the runelords is very good |
| 09:22.29 | Kaelten | and an example of a long series done well |
| 09:22.35 | Kaelten | because really its two different series |
| 09:22.47 | Kaelten | that have a common thread between them |
| 09:23.13 | Kaelten | his sci fi books are great oo |
| 09:23.14 | Kaelten | too |
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| 09:27.41 | Thunder_Child | Kaelten, does this work for you? http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/Books.htm |
| 09:28.02 | Kaelten | ya |
| 09:28.09 | Kaelten | what is it |
| 09:28.11 | Thunder_Child | ok, well thats an easy way |
| 09:28.18 | Thunder_Child | it's a list of the books in my room |
| 09:28.24 | Kaelten | ah, lol |
| 09:28.25 | Thunder_Child | minus the ones i just bought |
| 09:29.25 | Kaelten | ugh, death gate cycle was laborious |
| 09:29.31 | Kaelten | couldn't get very far in that one |
| 09:29.39 | Tekkub | hehe, frame factories always make my code *look* big |
| 09:29.50 | Thunder_Child | yes, it did get slow, but the ending was rather good |
| 09:30.12 | Kaelten | how are you making that list anyway? |
| 09:30.56 | Thunder_Child | a tasty free program called Libra http://www.getlibra.com/ |
| 09:30.59 | Kaelten | heh, mine would have a lot more fantasy |
| 09:31.08 | Kaelten | lot less scifi |
| 09:31.11 | Thunder_Child | i tied my webcam in so i could scan the barcodes |
| 09:31.35 | Thunder_Child | ya Kaelten, i am more of a sci-fi junky than a fantasy one |
| 09:31.46 | Kaelten | I'm much more slanted to fantasy |
| 09:31.54 | Thunder_Child | but i still need to catalogue the books on the garage |
| 09:32.01 | Kaelten | I only have a dozen or so sci fi |
| 09:32.07 | Kaelten | well probably a bit more |
| 09:32.08 | Kaelten | but who knows |
| 09:32.41 | Kaelten | heh it only runs on windows |
| 09:32.51 | Thunder_Child | well it IS free |
| 09:33.15 | Kaelten | ya, but I'm on mac :( |
| 09:33.43 | Kaelten | also feeling like it's close to bed time |
| 09:34.18 | Thunder_Child | Kaelten, http://www.collectorz.com/book/book_catalogue.php works but you would have to pay for it |
| 09:34.24 | Thunder_Child | and it doesnt have the webcam thing |
| 09:34.44 | Kaelten | heh |
| 09:34.47 | Kaelten | ya yours look cooler |
| 09:35.05 | Thunder_Child | took me a long time to find that |
| 09:35.26 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 09:35.28 | Kaelten | well guys gnight |
| 09:35.36 | Kaelten | talk to you all later |
| 09:35.38 | Kaelten | sleep well |
| 09:35.41 | Thunder_Child | night Kaelten |
| 09:39.56 | Tekkub | aw, 39k... and here I was hoping to break 40k for meaningless calendar holiday |
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| 10:12.33 | Tewan | "Young man, track is very important for your future. What happens when you grow up and you need to sprint 30 meters to the unemployment office?" "Hmm, I never thought about it that way." "Kids your age seldom do, it's called stupidity and it's a very natural thing." |
| 10:13.11 | Tewan | Moral Orel is great. |
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| 11:00.13 | Wobin | O.O |
| 11:00.14 | Wobin | woah |
| 11:00.15 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/01/1086037758224.html |
| 11:00.24 | Wobin | oldie, but very cool |
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| 11:52.25 | ZorbaTHut | why can't internet connections be infinitely fast |
| 11:58.31 | Cidan | uhm |
| 11:58.38 | Cidan | because the world sucks |
| 11:59.04 | Cidan | Have I mentioned how much I love you for the new quest helper changes on login, Zorba? Pretty sure I did, but, in case I didn't, I love you. |
| 11:59.17 | ZorbaTHut | no fuckin' kidding it does :( |
| 11:59.23 | ZorbaTHut | I think you did, but it's appreciated, so thanks :D\ |
| 11:59.37 | ZorbaTHut | I went through more than a few revisions of that code. I *think* this version is pretty much final. |
| 11:59.48 | ZorbaTHut | I mean until I rip it all out for v2 anyway |
| 11:59.58 | Cidan | lol |
| 11:59.59 | Cidan | =D |
| 12:00.26 | Cidan | So I have to do the docking code for RDX, but, I totally don't feel like it |
| 12:00.29 | Cidan | so lazy right now |
| 12:00.35 | ZorbaTHut | man, I hate UI code. |
| 12:00.55 | Cidan | really? |
| 12:01.03 | ZorbaTHut | yeah. can't stand it. it's so uninteresting |
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| 12:01.15 | Cidan | Huh. I love it. |
| 12:01.26 | ZorbaTHut | wanna write some UI code for Questhelper? :P |
| 12:01.27 | Cidan | I love making the UI BEND TO MY WILL |
| 12:01.36 | Cidan | Uhm, what do you have in mind? |
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| 12:02.32 | ZorbaTHut | I actually do have a huge chunk of UI I'm going to need in the future, but it'll be a while. I'll talk to you again when I'm closer to it, I suppose ;) |
| 12:02.44 | Cidan | kk |
| 12:03.05 | Cidan | So long as you don't mind if I do it programmatic and not with XML |
| 12:03.16 | Cidan | I wouldn't touch XML if my life depended on it |
| 12:03.24 | ZorbaTHut | at some point I basically need a unified frontend configuration/questlog/AdvancedFeature/priority/etcetcetc setup, but that's going to be a *substantial* chunk of stuff, and I really need to sit down and figure out how any of it is going to work first. So, long way off. |
| 12:03.37 | ZorbaTHut | yeah I'm fine with that :) |
| 12:04.27 | Cidan | Okay, just find me when you need it I guess, I'd be more than willing to do it since I use QH all the time anyway |
| 12:04.36 | ZorbaTHut | hah, okay. thanks :D |
| 12:05.03 | Tewan | ugh |
| 12:05.13 | Tewan | can't believe I'm actually using an ipoo'd |
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| 12:05.39 | Cidan | a what now? |
| 12:05.50 | Tewan | ipoo'd |
| 12:05.57 | Cidan | uh...huh... |
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| 12:11.59 | Tewan | this ad isn't very smart |
| 12:12.44 | Tewan | I'm not going to go into details. |
| 12:15.41 | ZorbaTHut | haha. http://i41.tinypic.com/29uy3rn.jpg sigh |
| 12:19.01 | Fisker- | :D |
| 12:19.17 | Fisker- | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42702 <-anyone know if an enchanted tear counts as all 3 colors? |
| 12:20.46 | Tewan | With the way I've experienced gems, I would think so. |
| 12:22.08 | ZorbaTHut | it's the kind of thing wowwiki probably says |
| 12:22.46 | Fisker- | it didn't |
| 12:22.47 | Fisker- | pwnt! |
| 12:24.34 | Tewan | Has anyone ever used magelo? |
| 12:24.37 | Tewan | http://wow.magelo.com/home.jspa |
| 12:25.29 | Fisker- | it's illegal so no |
| 12:25.35 | Tewan | Fisker-, wha? |
| 12:26.03 | Tewan | How's it illegal? |
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| 13:01.27 | Fisker- | by datamining the client Tewan |
| 13:04.51 | Fisker- | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ysera&n=Cyder <-Why isn't this guy hitcapped? :E |
| 13:05.06 | Fisker- | it consumes me |
| 13:06.00 | Fisker- | http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/detail/30935316#damageout <-not a single miss |
| 13:06.17 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, isn't that what every single DB site does? |
| 13:06.49 | Fisker- | Nope |
| 13:07.03 | Fisker- | Magelo intercepts the data from WoW's memory (illegal) |
| 13:07.10 | ZorbaTHut | ah, didn't realize it did memory mining |
| 13:07.14 | Fisker- | DB sites intercept it from the WoW Api (legal) |
| 13:07.22 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, if it does that, it's bad. |
| 13:07.35 | ZorbaTHut | although I'm not convinced intercepting data from the WoW API is legal |
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| 13:08.39 | zenzelezz | if it wasn't legal, we wouldn't have access to the API |
| 13:09.05 | zenzelezz | (at least that's the way I see it) |
| 13:09.08 | ZorbaTHut | zenzelezz, that's not true at all - there's at least one thing which is still bannable and doable with the API (namely, crossfaction communication) |
| 13:09.33 | ZorbaTHut | I agree that in the vast majority of cases Blizzard sticks to that rule, but there's at least one exception, and data mining is mentioned specifically in the TOS as not being allowed. |
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| 13:10.27 | zenzelezz | I entirely disagree in this case, but there's no point arguing it |
| 13:19.23 | Fisker- | doh |
| 13:19.26 | Fisker- | looks like the hit cap is 8% :( |
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| 13:53.57 | Lyn | happy new year.. :O |
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| 17:44.42 | Shirik | What does it mean if your box gets stuck at "Starting local..." during start up? |
| 17:44.53 | End | is there some sort of rc.local? |
| 17:44.59 | Shirik | Other than the fact that it doesn't request login, etc., everything seems to work fine; I can ssh in, etc. |
| 17:45.35 | End | hm, well, my ubuntu has a practically /etc/rc.local |
| 17:45.39 | End | er |
| 17:45.43 | End | hm, well, my ubuntu has a practically empty /etc/rc.local |
| 17:45.52 | End | check what's in there, I guess |
| 17:45.59 | Shirik | /etc/rc.local doesn't exist |
| 17:46.12 | zenzelezz | /etc/rc.d/rc.local then? |
| 17:46.30 | End | I'm only guessing of course :P |
| 17:47.03 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/105360 |
| 17:47.32 | Shirik | and rc.conf has 2 lines which are mostly meaningless |
| 17:47.50 | Shirik | UNICODE="yes" and EDITOR="/bin/nano" <-- I should fix that btw |
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| 17:49.08 | Shirik | ah here we go |
| 17:49.09 | Shirik | Gentoo don't have /etc/rc.local :) The "rc.local" at Gentoo is /etc/conf.d/local.start |
| 17:49.32 | End | ah |
| 17:49.33 | Shirik | and that's just a bunch of comments >.> |
| 17:49.57 | End | if it's not referring to local.start, I', not sure what "Starting local..." would refer to |
| 17:50.00 | End | oh |
| 17:50.03 | End | look in init.d |
| 17:50.12 | End | conf.d just tells the init.d scripts what to do |
| 17:50.23 | End | of course, I'm a bit baffled... |
| 17:53.39 | zenzelezz | "It should be noted that in /etc/inittab, the line should be using c0 and tty0. If using tty1 the system seems to hang after the line Starting local... but it is only missing the login prompt, the system is running in background. " |
| 17:53.55 | End | well, there you go |
| 17:55.12 | Shirik | Is that the lines like |
| 17:55.12 | Shirik | c1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux |
| 17:55.13 | Shirik | ? |
| 17:55.19 | Shirik | I've never messed with inittab before :/ |
| 17:55.36 | zenzelezz | I don't know, I just googled for 'gentoo hanging at "starting local"' |
| 17:55.39 | End | lol |
| 17:55.44 | Shirik | I did that :/ |
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| 17:59.16 | Shirik | Fortunately, this required reboot did give me the time to increase my swap partition size |
| 18:01.50 | Shirik | !quit |
| 18:02.36 | hipjipp | Anyone know a good way to deal with the vehicle bar being the petbar witch then vanishes, but shows up as the BonusActionBar when reloaded..? |
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| 18:04.02 | Shirik | zenzelezz wins |
| 18:04.13 | hipjipp | ? |
| 18:04.14 | Shirik | I added c0:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty0 linux |
| 18:04.22 | Shirik | I get prompted for login now |
| 18:05.10 | hipjipp | Shirik, do you think you can help me? (If you have the time that is) |
| 18:05.18 | Shirik | I need to get my server back up first |
| 18:05.25 | hipjipp | sure thing =) |
| 18:07.22 | zenzelezz | hipjipp: I can't help you either way; but what do you mean "deal with" the bar? |
| 18:08.48 | hipjipp | zenzelezz: I meant; if someone knows how i would write a function to make the Vehicles-bar not being the petbar when it's called. |
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| 18:10.59 | hipjipp | evening Seerah =) |
| 18:11.10 | Seerah | morning hipjipp |
| 18:11.50 | hipjipp | up for some coding with your morning coffee? ;) |
| 18:12.32 | Seerah | blech on the coffee (drinking milk after a couple donuts), but what's up? |
| 18:14.12 | hipjipp | I'm trying to make the original BonusActionBar into a permanent Vehicles-bar. The bar works as intended when i leave/dismount a vehicle (only tried with the horses that DK's are supposed to steal for easy access), but not when i enter/mount one. |
| 18:15.09 | Shirik | my guild is full of morons |
| 18:15.21 | hipjipp | shirik: how so? =) |
| 18:15.44 | Shirik | We've been having this "issue" in guild |
| 18:15.59 | Shirik | we couldn't agree whether the mud snapper icon was a frog or a fish |
| 18:16.04 | Shirik | http://i42.tinypic.com/2nqcw9l.jpg |
| 18:16.17 | Shirik | We got the official answer: http://i44.tinypic.com/14tzy0.jpg |
| 18:16.37 | Seerah | hipjipp: I haven't worked at all with the action bars/secure frames |
| 18:17.06 | hipjipp | Shirik: lol! |
| 18:17.43 | hipjipp | Seerah: that's unfortunetly.. :< |
| 18:17.55 | Fisker- | reported for wasting a GM's time Shirik :3 |
| 18:18.03 | Seerah | he didn't send it |
| 18:18.20 | Fisker- | duh |
| 18:18.22 | Fisker- | But i want Shirik banned |
| 18:18.23 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 18:18.30 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 18:18.31 | Shirik | http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z148/avengedsickness/WoWScrnShot_122908_071030.jpg |
| 18:19.17 | Fisker- | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/12/13908949698-next-dk-to-use-deathndecay-in-raids.html <-oh yeah |
| 18:19.22 | Corrodias | i seriously hope this is a resized screenshot |
| 18:19.42 | Corrodias | although in that case, it seems to be that nobody wants people to be able to read it... |
| 18:20.02 | Shirik | it seemed very easy to read to me |
| 18:20.15 | zenzelezz | Fisker-: that's always fun on Sartharion +3 |
| 18:20.31 | zenzelezz | cause there isn't enough red shit in that place before DnD |
| 18:21.07 | Corrodias | it's readable, but the dark purple on black background is not the highest contrast thing ever, and it's at about the minimum size for me to be able to read it in that case |
| 18:24.06 | Seerah | Corrodias: I had to get a couple inches closer myself |
| 18:24.31 | Shirik | that's what she said |
| 18:24.37 | Shirik | sorry >.> |
| 18:25.05 | Corrodias | mommy, Shirik's making me feel bad. ._. |
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| 18:25.35 | hipjipp | Does anyone want to help me with my issue, or should i give up all together? :'< |
| 18:25.57 | zenzelezz | might want to check back when people aren't mostly hung-over |
| 18:26.51 | Corrodias | i actually went to bed early last night, but unfortunately i'm probably the least-capable person to help you |
| 18:27.11 | nevcairiel | i went to bed at 6am, and i'm fucking tired =P |
| 18:31.55 | Fisker- | heh zenzelezz |
| 18:32.03 | Fisker- | Try that with losing the OT on Kel'Thuzad |
| 18:32.15 | Fisker- | so on top of tanking 2 guardians + DnD shit on the ground :P |
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| 18:50.14 | Seerah | oooh - scientific permission for sleeping in :) http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-01/st_3st?npu=1&mbid=yhp |
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| 18:55.07 | Shirik | I like the comments "My father is a construction worker who has to be up by 4:30am. " |
| 18:55.17 | Shirik | yes, because you definitely need to express your creativity as a construction worker... |
| 18:58.57 | Industrial | maybe he constructs in his garage at night |
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| 19:24.54 | Iriel | This new google 'browser security' document is actually pretty useful (If you've done web development for a long time it may not have a lot of important suprises, but it's nice and comprehensive and covers things you might run into in the future) |
| 19:25.34 | selckin | url? |
| 19:25.41 | Aiiane | http://code.google.com/p/browsersec/wiki/Main ? |
| 19:26.03 | Iriel | That's the one |
| 19:27.31 | Iriel | Heh this comment about javascript makes me smile "Authors claim the language has roots in Schema and Self programming languages, although it is often characterized in a more down to earth way as a crossover of Objective C and Visual Basic" |
| 19:29.27 | ScytheBlade1 | yay, sons of hodir exalted |
| 19:30.15 | ScytheBlade1 | IE6 needs to die |
| 19:31.04 | Tewan | ScytheBlade1, you're talking madness. |
| 19:31.11 | Tewan | IE6 needs to do much more than just die. |
| 19:31.12 | ScytheBlade1 | DIE. |
| 19:31.24 | Iriel | Yes, IE6 is a blight upon computerkind |
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| 19:33.25 | nevcairiel | I wonder in how many years even professional webdevs can finally stop supporting it =/ |
| 19:33.57 | mikma | http://www.break.com/index/the-nutcracker-break-style.html |
| 19:34.08 | nevcairiel | I mean whats the point in finalizing HTML5 if it'll take 10 years until you can finally use it due to browser compat |
| 19:34.29 | Iriel | We 'technically' dont, but then we end up having to because it's so widely used still. |
| 19:34.55 | Iriel | I think we lowered the bar to "doesn't break horribly in IE6" |
| 19:34.59 | nevcairiel | i even stopped doing XHTML because IE fails with it |
| 19:35.04 | nevcairiel | HTML4 .. back to the roots |
| 19:37.41 | Fisker- | Tekkub is awesome |
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| 19:38.30 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: http://giveupandusetables.com/ |
| 19:39.16 | Shirik | Because of this, with unconstrained IDN support in effect, attacker could easily register www.example.com (Cyrillic character shown in red), and trick his victims into believing they are on the real and original www.example.com site (all Latin). |
| 19:39.19 | Shirik | That's scary actually |
| 19:39.28 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: truth :( |
| 19:39.42 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: indeed. Sad truth, but truth |
| 19:39.43 | Tewan | ScytheBlade1, already resorted to tables quite a few times |
| 19:39.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Tewan: not surprised |
| 19:40.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: or, even more scary, paypal.com with a single letter changed instead of all of them |
| 19:41.07 | Shirik | that's what that was saying :P |
| 19:41.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 19:41.17 | ScytheBlade1 | "Shown in red" |
| 19:41.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Doesn't always translate well to IRC :P |
| 19:42.32 | Fisker- | fuck you ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:42.39 | Fisker- | i'm not waiting 47 minutes :( |
| 19:42.44 | ScytheBlade1 | for? |
| 19:42.53 | Fisker- | [20:38:23] <ScytheBlade1> nevcairiel: http://giveupandusetables.com/ |
| 19:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 19:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 19:43.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I've never actually used that, just the website |
| 19:43.42 | Tewan | I'll keep it running in the background |
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| 19:45.12 | Tewan | Yay |
| 19:45.32 | Tewan | got Opeth - The Roundhose Tapes DVD on my iPoo'd |
| 19:45.54 | Fisker- | Reading about that girl(s) on 4chan sure is inspiring! |
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| 19:46.01 | Tewan | Unfortunately it stretched so I gotta reconvert it |
| 19:46.12 | Fisker- | i.e. the girl with 2 heads or the 2 girls with 2 heads, etc. |
| 19:47.22 | Aiiane | ...wat |
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| 19:47.55 | Tewan | Fisker-, 2girls1head? |
| 19:48.36 | Fisker- | no |
| 19:48.42 | Fisker- | 1(2)girls2heads |
| 19:48.45 | Fisker- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hensel_twins |
| 19:49.19 | Tewan | "1 slightly broad pelvis" |
| 19:49.22 | Tewan | heh |
| 19:49.59 | Tewan | so it'd be 1body2heads |
| 19:50.15 | Tewan | ...or something |
| 19:51.21 | Tewan | Lol |
| 19:51.32 | Tewan | At that giveupandusetables.com, look at the source |
| 19:51.52 | Tewan | They have <sarcasm></sarcasm> :P |
| 19:56.27 | Tuller | hrm interesting |
| 19:56.43 | Tuller | killing spree works in midair |
| 20:04.20 | Fisker- | Tuller my man! |
| 20:05.33 | Tewan | Tuller, yeah |
| 20:05.40 | Tewan | you can hit flying targets with it |
| 20:05.46 | Tewan | if you engage it within range |
| 20:06.45 | Cheatcakes | anyone know how to change the texture of a frame? I know of SetTexture, but it's not changing the image in-game |
| 20:07.19 | Tuller | Tewan: already done so, its how I figured out it worked |
| 20:07.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Frames don't "have" textures |
| 20:07.27 | ScytheBlade1 | You need to reference the texture itself, not the frame |
| 20:07.30 | Iriel | Cheatcakes: Sounds like you're doing it wrong, if you're using SetTexture and it's not working |
| 20:07.36 | Cheatcakes | <Texture name="$parentTexture" file="Interface\Addons\FaraFrames\Image2.tga"> |
| 20:07.40 | Iriel | Cheatcakes: check the return value, I think it returns nil if the file doesn't exist |
| 20:07.57 | Iriel | Hm, you said 'not changing', rather than 'not showing' |
| 20:07.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Cheatcakes: _G["parentNameHereTexture"]:SetTexture("whatever.tga") |
| 20:08.20 | Cheatcakes | _G? |
| 20:08.23 | Cheatcakes | eh, I'll try it |
| 20:09.16 | Tuller | the sexier version of getglobal |
| 20:09.25 | Cheatcakes | it is sexier :) |
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| 20:10.22 | Cheatcakes | do I need to put the full path of the image in SetTexture? |
| 20:10.47 | Shirik | define "full path" |
| 20:11.00 | Cheatcakes | Interface\Addons\ModName\ImageName.tga |
| 20:11.08 | Cheatcakes | versus ImageName.tga |
| 20:11.09 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:11.11 | Cheatcakes | ok |
| 20:11.21 | Shirik | except |
| 20:11.23 | Shirik | since this is Lua |
| 20:11.28 | Shirik | you can't use \ there |
| 20:11.30 | Iriel | ALso, if it's in a lua string you need \\ instead of \ |
| 20:11.31 | Shirik | You need to use \\ |
| 20:11.35 | Cheatcakes | ohhhhhh |
| 20:11.42 | Cheatcakes | lol that's probably why it wasn't working |
| 20:11.47 | Cheatcakes | I'll give that a shot |
| 20:12.37 | Cheatcakes | nice! thanks everyone :D |
| 20:13.34 | Aiiane | or just use [[ ]] |
| 20:14.16 | Cheatcakes | what's that for? |
| 20:14.58 | Aiiane | string literal block marker |
| 20:15.12 | Shirik | ok wtf, my house heater is acting strange |
| 20:15.17 | Aiiane | local path = [[Interface\Addons\ModName\ImageName]] |
| 20:15.23 | Aiiane | is the same as |
| 20:15.37 | Aiiane | local path = "Interface\\Addons\\ModName\\ImageName" |
| 20:15.39 | Cheatcakes | oh ok |
| 20:15.40 | Shirik | I looked at the thermostat and it says "Inside: 69, Set to: 72" and under the numbers it usually says "Heat On" or "Aux Heat On" |
| 20:15.46 | Shirik | right now it says "Wait" |
| 20:15.49 | Shirik | wtf does that mean? |
| 20:15.55 | ScytheBlade1 | It means "Wait" |
| 20:15.56 | ScytheBlade1 | uh |
| 20:15.58 | ScytheBlade1 | *Duh |
| 20:16.01 | Shirik | I don't want to wait! I want heat! |
| 20:16.02 | Tewan | ScytheBlade1, you beat me to it |
| 20:16.03 | Tewan | Damn you. |
| 20:16.04 | Aiiane | something messed up with the furnace, Shirik ? |
| 20:16.05 | Tewan | lol |
| 20:16.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Tewan: he's an easy target |
| 20:16.15 | Shirik | apparently |
| 20:16.28 | Seerah | hehe |
| 20:18.34 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, 69 is a fine temp |
| 20:18.50 | Aiiane | no its not :s |
| 20:18.53 | Thunder_Child | i assume thats F and not C |
| 20:19.04 | Aiiane | its ok for outside... not okay for inside >< |
| 20:19.20 | Robsato | Anyone know if it is possible to see what the Secret Question is for my WoW account or change it? |
| 20:19.27 | Thunder_Child | i used to sit in a server room for 8 hours a day, mid 60's is perfectly fine |
| 20:19.37 | Aiiane | Robsato: try the account management section in the website? |
| 20:19.45 | Shirik | http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/unusual_disk_latency |
| 20:20.26 | Robsato | Can't find it there. Was hoping maybe someone had done it before |
| 20:22.12 | Aiiane | well, you can at least *view* it if you go to the parental controls panel |
| 20:22.16 | Aiiane | since it asks you it to access it |
| 20:23.10 | Robsato | Aaaah, ok. Never messed with parental control before. Thanks, now I at least know the question :-) |
| 20:23.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: rofl |
| 20:23.51 | Aiiane | Robsato: my guess is that to actually change the secret question, you probably have to call them. |
| 20:24.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: that's amazing |
| 20:25.26 | Thunder_Child | why are the latency block graph blured out? |
| 20:25.40 | Thunder_Child | s/are/is/ |
| 20:26.53 | Iriel | I think that' sjust the data resolution |
| 20:26.56 | Iriel | that's a density map |
| 20:26.58 | Iriel | not just a chart |
| 20:27.54 | kontroll | lol @ disk latency video. :) |
| 20:28.23 | Robsato | Well I have upgraded my normal WotLK to a CE. To release the normal WotLK key Blizz want to know some things. They need last 4 number of credidcard and sercret Q + answer or the standard wow key. Since I am not sure what they mean with standard wow key (vanilla or WOtLK) I wanted to give them the secret Q and answer but could not find anything about it. But now I know the secret q I also remembered the answer so I have a |
| 20:28.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Robsato: try posting on the Customer Service forum |
| 20:29.15 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, he doesnt have an issue anymore |
| 20:29.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: well his line cut off on my screen, I didn't know that ;P |
| 20:29.48 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, it cut out on mine as well |
| 20:29.53 | Fisker- | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:29.56 | Thunder_Child | L2extrapolate |
| 20:30.15 | Fisker- | Notice, if you will, that about 47 minutes have passed |
| 20:30.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, I should read up |
| 20:30.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker-: lol |
| 20:30.22 | Fisker- | And i closed the window |
| 20:30.23 | Fisker- | :( |
| 20:30.25 | Robsato | sry for long line. But I got allinfo I needed |
| 20:33.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Aiiane: btw, reading up now, the S Q&A can -never- be changed |
| 20:34.19 | Cheatcakes | is there a keyword like $parent for the parent's parent? |
| 20:34.29 | ScytheBlade1 | $parent$parent |
| 20:34.31 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 20:34.36 | Cheatcakes | cool, thanks |
| 20:34.46 | Aiiane | ScytheBlade1: I'd bet that if you called blizzard up and were persistent enough about it, you could probably get it changed |
| 20:34.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Aiiane: I'd bet money otherwise |
| 20:35.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Aiiane: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13594149359&sid=1&pageNo=1#5 turned up after a very cursory search |
| 20:36.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Here, more concise |
| 20:36.26 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9957008607&postId=99554028553&sid=1#7 |
| 20:36.55 | Aiiane | "as a general rule" leads me to believe that in extenuating circumstances things might be different. |
| 20:37.27 | ScytheBlade1 | They (blues on that board) have recommended buying a new account and transfering characters over as a way of changing the SQ&A |
| 20:37.46 | ScytheBlade1 | As it seems to be the single immutable thing concerning account info |
| 20:38.17 | Aiiane | which also means that if someone gets ahold of it, your account is essentially immutably open to them. |
| 20:38.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes. |
| 20:38.21 | Aiiane | which is why I doubt that'd be the case. |
| 20:38.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Feel free to post and ask. I'm more or less entirely certain that they won't change it, even given compromise |
| 20:38.57 | Aiiane | because honestly, most "secret questions and answers" are less secure than the passwords they protect. |
| 20:39.02 | Robsato | That is weird then. They ask for this information in a normal e-mail. That would be a bit unsafe isn't it? |
| 20:39.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why my SQ&A is entirely random gibberish, saved to a GPG encoded file :) |
| 20:39.30 | Aiiane | ScytheBlade1: why should I post when I'm already fairly certain the only even potential way would be directly via phone/fax? |
| 20:39.31 | ScytheBlade1 | s/encoded/encrypted/ |
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| 20:40.03 | Aiiane | and with effort put in, at that |
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| 20:53.25 | Shirik | My secret question and answer is as secure as my password |
| 20:53.34 | Shirik | I ignore the question |
| 20:53.39 | Shirik | it's just a secondary password |
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| 21:02.47 | Fisker- | But what if you forget your secondary password? |
| 21:02.59 | Fisker- | Actually i get it! |
| 21:03.08 | Fisker- | Both your password and secret answer is the same |
| 21:03.13 | Fisker- | i.e. Kitty as in "What is your pets name" |
| 21:03.14 | Fisker- | :D |
| 21:03.48 | Tuller | your password is kitty? |
| 21:04.06 | Fisker- | Shirik's is |
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| 21:04.18 | Fisker- | Anyone done any GUID based "shitlist"-type addons lately? |
| 21:04.19 | Tewan | heh, I have a few secret questions set to something like "Screw security questions, I remember all my passwords." |
| 21:04.36 | krka | security questions considered insecure |
| 21:04.59 | Cheatcakes | how do I get the default value of a slider? |
| 21:06.35 | Tuller | sliders have default values? :P |
| 21:06.48 | Cheatcakes | thats what I thought too |
| 21:07.16 | Cheatcakes | FaraFrames seem to think so (this is code that comes with that tutorial): <Slider name="$parent_Slider1" inherits="OptionsSliderTemplate" minValue="0" maxValue="80" defaultValue="0" valueStep="1"> |
| 21:07.25 | Fisker- | haha |
| 21:07.28 | Fisker- | this iphone ad |
| 21:07.29 | Fisker- | "Widescreen iPod" |
| 21:07.30 | Fisker- | lol |
| 21:08.33 | Cheatcakes | is there a way to just get that "defaultValue" property value? |
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| 21:19.54 | Tuller | <OnLoad>self.defaultValue = self:GetValue()</OnLoad>? |
| 21:21.52 | krka | i wonder if the question isn't more along the line of finding the default value for a third party addons slider |
| 21:22.48 | nevcairiel | Since the default value is only used for initialization, there is no API to get/set it. |
| 21:22.55 | nevcairiel | so, no |
| 21:23.31 | Cheatcakes | so we can't just do as FaraFrames has done and put in a property into an object and expect to be able to retrieve that in-game? |
| 21:24.06 | Iriel | Not every slide has a 'default' value though, does it? |
| 21:24.14 | Iriel | Sometimes 'current value' is all that's important |
| 21:24.35 | Cheatcakes | well, every slider has to start out at some value by default |
| 21:24.47 | nevcairiel | all those properties in the Slider widget are valid, and you can get all of those from APIs, minus the defaultValue because it equals a :SetValue during OnLoad (or after CreateFrame) |
| 21:25.17 | nevcairiel | the defaultValue has no use anymore after it was created |
| 21:26.11 | Cheatcakes | so defaultValue is not used (and ignored) when interpreting that code? |
| 21:26.35 | nevcairiel | of course its used, it translates into a single :SetValue call after the frame creation |
| 21:26.44 | nevcairiel | but after the value is set once, you dont need it anymore |
| 21:26.50 | Cheatcakes | oh, gotcha |
| 21:27.07 | nevcairiel | its just a start value |
| 21:28.36 | Cheatcakes | thanks :) |
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| 21:44.02 | Tekkub | wow, I think that's a first... |
| 21:44.25 | Tekkub | after reposting my failed auctions, I don't have *any* non-northrend major glyphs up |
| 21:44.35 | Tekkub | people be buyin shit! |
| 21:45.57 | Iriel | Tekkub: Surely you jest, that hasn't happened in forever! (People be buying, that is) |
| 21:46.15 | Tekkub | *lots* of shit :P |
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| 22:20.51 | Cheatcakes | there wouldn't happen to be any way to list a mod's directory contents in-game would there? |
| 22:23.08 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
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| 22:24.33 | Cheatcakes | didn't think so |
| 22:24.35 | Cheatcakes | thanks |
| 22:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
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| 23:25.57 | Shirik | This is stupid |
| 23:26.16 | Shirik | My server was having trouble last night because it was using all of the 512MB RAM and 512MB swap space it had |
| 23:26.23 | Shirik | so I increased the swap space to 2 GB |
| 23:26.30 | Shirik | now it's only using 256MB |
| 23:26.44 | Tekkub | perfectly logical |
| 23:27.07 | Tewan | lol |
| 23:27.14 | Aiiane | it was rebelling against its maker |
| 23:27.28 | Aiiane | now that it has acquired its necessary appeasement, it cba |
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| 23:39.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: what's your guild again? |
| 23:40.07 | Shirik | why :/ |
| 23:40.13 | Shirik | I'm scared of what you might try to do |
| 23:40.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I want to compare epeens |
| 23:40.23 | Shirik | Heresiarch, Drenden |
| 23:41.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Huh, wowprogress doesn't have you listed at all |
| 23:42.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh there you are |
| 23:42.39 | ScytheBlade1 | -.- |
| 23:42.45 | ScytheBlade1 | You beat us on Malygos by 2 days |
| 23:43.31 | Syzgyn | lol same |
| 23:43.40 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/us/doomhammer/New+Content |
| 23:43.45 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/us/drenden/Heresiarch |
| 23:44.08 | Syzgyn | That first one yours SBO? |
| 23:44.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 23:44.19 | Syzgyn | http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/us/kel-thuzad/The+Yawning+Dogs |
| 23:44.45 | Syzgyn | 3 drake sarth, nice |
| 23:44.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
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| 23:45.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Once we yelled at the bad we five-shot him when we had an entire night to go at it |
| 23:45.15 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 23:45.30 | Syzgyn | my computer is so crappy, I have issues with that fight |
| 23:45.33 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: You know what sucks |
| 23:45.34 | Shirik | Malygos |
| 23:45.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:45.38 | Syzgyn | have to turn off almost all my mods to get a decent FPS |
| 23:45.39 | Shirik | fuck malygos |
| 23:45.41 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 23:45.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Malygos is easy |
| 23:45.43 | Shirik | We were #2 on the server |
| 23:45.45 | Shirik | We lost |
| 23:45.47 | Shirik | BY 2 MINUTES |
| 23:45.49 | Shirik | 2 MINUTES |
| 23:45.51 | Shirik | WTF |
| 23:45.51 | Syzgyn | Owned |
| 23:45.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:45.53 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 23:45.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Same! |
| 23:45.56 | ScytheBlade1 | EXACT SAME |
| 23:46.21 | ScytheBlade1 | We were 4 minutes behind our next in line for Maly25 |
| 23:46.23 | Syzgyn | I had no chance at that |
| 23:46.24 | foxlit | Wasn't there supposed to be some sort of graceful failure window? |
| 23:46.29 | ScytheBlade1 | "Close enough for a server first" |
| 23:46.29 | Syzgyn | because of http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/us/kel-thuzad/Exodus |
| 23:46.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, 5m |
| 23:46.37 | Syzgyn | I thought it was 1 min |
| 23:46.49 | ScytheBlade1 | 5 |
| 23:46.56 | Shirik | I should clarify, first horde side |
| 23:47.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: yeah, we have http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/us/doomhammer/Drow |
| 23:47.23 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 23:47.33 | ScytheBlade1 | They are our only competition -.- |
| 23:47.42 | Shirik | the people that beat us aren't even competition |
| 23:47.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: so what you're saying, is that you're bad? |
| 23:47.53 | Shirik | instances are just too easy right now |
| 23:47.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:48.00 | ScytheBlade1 | truth |
| 23:48.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Sarth25+3 was somewhat of a challenge |
| 23:48.18 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just a very mobile fight with a decent gear check |
| 23:48.21 | Syzgyn | yeah |
| 23:48.27 | ScytheBlade1 | VERY mobile fight |
| 23:48.28 | Syzgyn | we didnt have the dps for it last we tried |
| 23:48.39 | Syzgyn | first drake wasnt dead before the 2nd landed |
| 23:48.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Ours wasn't either |
| 23:48.52 | Syzgyn | how close though? |
| 23:48.55 | ScytheBlade1 | But a window of about 10-15s is "acceptable" |
| 23:48.57 | ScytheBlade1 | About ^ |
| 23:48.58 | Syzgyn | yea |
| 23:49.01 | Dezzimal | ScytheBlade1: did Drow steal all your warlocks for Muru? |
| 23:49.07 | Syzgyn | we were still 20-30% left |
| 23:49.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Dezzimal: nah, we didn't exist pre-Wrath |
| 23:49.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: yeah bit much |
| 23:49.32 | Dezzimal | heh you should have seen the comp they did it with >_> |
| 23:49.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I know what comp they did it with |
| 23:49.43 | Dezzimal | 4 locks, 3 mages AoE fest |
| 23:49.48 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 23:49.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: http://nc.averageurl.com/raids/25/sws-sartharion-1230520370/index.html if you want to poke at all |
| 23:50.04 | ScytheBlade1 | That's our 3D kill |
| 23:50.22 | Dezzimal | I'm not sure they even had any of their rogues in the raid |
| 23:50.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Most fun 9m ever |
| 23:50.32 | Syzgyn | Yea our rogues are not that good |
| 23:50.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Dezzimal: they didn't for quite a while |
| 23:50.36 | Dezzimal | I remember hearing from someone on an old server of mine that transferred to drow |
| 23:50.42 | Dezzimal | and he was a melee |
| 23:50.52 | Dezzimal | and got sat for all of m'uru |
| 23:50.56 | ScytheBlade1 | They brought in T4/T5 warlocks and mages in place of melee |
| 23:50.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 23:51.17 | Fisker- | omg tacs ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:51.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 23:51.56 | Fisker- | for 3 drakes :P |
| 23:51.59 | ScytheBlade1 | tacs? |
| 23:52.26 | Fisker- | = tactics |
| 23:52.29 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:52.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't suck |
| 23:52.35 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.46 | Fisker- | fu |
| 23:52.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Seriously, the hardest thing about that |
| 23:52.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Is moving out of the void zones |
| 23:53.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That and add control |
| 23:53.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That's really about it |
| 23:53.25 | Fisker- | We tried with 1 drake to just burn down Sartharion |
| 23:53.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:53.35 | Syzgyn | yea that doesnt work lol |
| 23:53.35 | Fisker- | but the drake enraged :P |
| 23:53.39 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 23:53.52 | Fisker- | Was wondering if that was caused by sartharion or the twillight zone stuff |
| 23:53.58 | Fisker- | Since we didn't know, we didn't care |
| 23:54.12 | ScytheBlade1 | All in all we had 43 attempts at him over three nights, with one night being 4 attempts and then the kill |
| 23:54.30 | Fisker- | So basically it's just kill the drakes as they appear? |
| 23:54.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably 50/40/10 being add control/void zones/tank dying |
| 23:54.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 23:54.51 | Fisker- | And you don't enter the twillight zone for anyone but the shield mob |
| 23:54.59 | ScytheBlade1 | After the last drake is dead |
| 23:55.03 | ScytheBlade1 | We just sent our melee in |
| 23:55.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Had a retadin throw a shield on and tank it |
| 23:55.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Ranged stayed out and killed the adds |
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| 23:57.05 | ScytheBlade1 | No one died to the enrage either, he just dies too quickly |
| 23:59.42 | Fisker- | Not talking about that |
| 23:59.47 | Fisker- | at some point the drakes enrage |
| 23:59.50 | Fisker- | We never knew why :P |
