| 00:00.36 | Hirsute | I figure I can make an option in there that says "If you intend to have more than 10 or so blacklisted words, check this." and do it the strsplit() method. |
| 00:00.41 | Hirsute | If I notice much of a difference. |
| 00:01.03 | Hirsute | One of my tests will be blacklisting the word "the" and seeing what kind of a performance hit I take when I walk into Stormwind. |
| 00:01.06 | Tekkub | there's a simler solution you know |
| 00:01.15 | Hirsute | Tekkub: I'd love to hear it. |
| 00:01.18 | Tekkub | *simpler |
| 00:01.27 | Tekkub | leave trade and don't hang out in shitwind |
| 00:01.31 | Tekkub | exodar FTFW! |
| 00:01.59 | Hirsute | Actually, my AH mule does stay in Exodar, and stays in trade for the trade that goes on there. |
| 00:02.09 | Arrowmaster | Hirsute: if you are blacklisting the word "the" and are in stormwind and notice any difference at all you are doing it wrong |
| 00:02.17 | Tekkub | trade in trade, you're a funny little man |
| 00:02.59 | Hirsute | I just chose SW because I'd like to see worst-case scenario what would happen. I figure blacklisting a common word to make the filter happen frequently + high population gives me the best picture of worst-case-scenario what this addon might do to someone's performance. |
| 00:03.39 | Hirsute | Then hopefully no one is stupid enough to do that when actually using the addon. |
| 00:03.54 | Tekkub | I really didn't see much in say in SW, so I think any town and trade is your best bet really |
| 00:04.09 | Hirsute | Tekkub: I know, right? Addon's working name is actually TIFT (Trade Is For Trade) |
| 00:04.14 | Arrowmaster | oh i thought you ment because the zone was 'the stormwind city' or something (not alliance i dont know what the fuck the zone name is i just know stormwind was weird) |
| 00:04.24 | Tekkub | STFU is a better name |
| 00:04.32 | Arrowmaster | STFU is taken |
| 00:04.39 | Tekkub | OMGSTFU |
| 00:04.44 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 00:04.59 | Tekkub | and isn't STFU long dead anyway? |
| 00:05.13 | Hirsute | Arrowmaster: Nah, it's just where people park. It's the main place for Alliance to head to Northrend. |
| 00:05.27 | Hirsute | Craploads of people there. |
| 00:05.36 | Hirsute | SW on my server has become the new IF/Shatt |
| 00:05.38 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: might be, probably |
| 00:05.53 | Tekkub | SW is really popular, and I'm not sure why |
| 00:06.01 | Tekkub | it such a shitty city |
| 00:06.26 | Tekkub | is it cause the king's back |
| 00:06.30 | Tekkub | he's a total dick too |
| 00:06.42 | Codayus | True, he is. |
| 00:07.28 | Codayus | Still, I think SW is the best of the alliance cities. Exodar is ugly, Darnassus is full of trees, and IF is boring. So..yeah, it's a low bar. |
| 00:07.48 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 00:08.17 | Codayus | Which is why I've been hanging out in SW since they put the SW AH back. :) |
| 00:08.18 | Tekkub | exodar is peaceful though |
| 00:08.27 | Tekkub | as is darny, but darny is a bit too spread out |
| 00:08.41 | Codayus | It's fully of ugly glowing garish crystals, plus the damn space monkeys. I HATE THEM. |
| 00:09.03 | Tekkub | oh, so your issue isn't the city, it's your racism |
| 00:09.28 | Codayus | Sure. I'd hate the gnomish city if they had one that wasn'ta glowing radioactive death trap. |
| 00:09.33 | Tekkub | go hang out with your stupid king, you two will be good friends |
| 00:10.09 | Tekkub | now how the fuck do I dump an ISO image with nero commandline... |
| 00:10.09 | Codayus | ...well, no, but I do hate the draenei, the naaru, tempest keep, and every one of the teribad faux scifi elements bliz added while on a bad acid trip. |
| 00:10.30 | Hirsute | Heh. I really enjoyed it. *shrug* |
| 00:10.34 | foxlit | Flavour! |
| 00:10.44 | Codayus | Yes, well, poop has a flavour too. |
| 00:10.44 | Hirsute | I *do* wish they'd give my poor Gnome toons their city back, though. |
| 00:10.46 | foxlit | Unlike this bland "skull and stones" expansion :) |
| 00:11.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: +1 |
| 00:11.43 | Codayus | Whereas Wrath actually has some coherency. It's like the actual art staff was busy with pre-planning for Wrath, so they gave TBC to some interns, who did most of it while hungover from partying on the weekends... |
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| 00:12.22 | Codayus | ...I would like to see Gnomeregan restored though. The one fake rumor floating around pre-TBC is was most disapointed to find out was fake was that Gnomeregan would be restored. :-( |
| 00:12.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah forget Gnomer. We need a new city. |
| 00:13.03 | Tekkub | I think people want it not cause the want the city back |
| 00:13.08 | Tekkub | they want the instance gone |
| 00:13.10 | Codayus | ...just so long as they could stick to a steampunk vibe. Clockwork is cool, reactor cores are fail. |
| 00:13.11 | Hirsute | They brought Dalaran back out from under the purple bubble, and it isn't like we haven't cleansed the baddies out of Gnomer a million times. |
| 00:13.13 | Codayus | That too! |
| 00:13.29 | Hirsute | And, yes, I *hate* |
| 00:13.32 | Hirsute | the instance |
| 00:14.14 | ScytheBlade1 | it needs reworked from the ground up, it realy does. |
| 00:14.18 | Hirsute | It's right up there with BRD and Heroic Shattered Halls |
| 00:14.21 | Arrowmaster | but i love the teleporter from bootybay |
| 00:14.22 | Codayus | I wouldn't have said this pre-Wrath, but I wouldn't mind the Darkspear getting their islands back too. I disliked all troll architecture until I saw Zuldrak. :-) |
| 00:14.25 | ScytheBlade1 | H-SH was awesome |
| 00:14.40 | Hirsute | <--Warrior Tank |
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| 00:14.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I've done it with a warrior tank |
| 00:14.51 | Arrowmaster | H-SH was easy |
| 00:15.22 | Codayus | I never had an issue with H-SH, including with warrior tanks. *shrug* |
| 00:15.23 | Hirsute | H-SH was pure and simple the wet-dream of some developer who hates warrior tanks. |
| 00:15.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:15.44 | Corrodias | why? what limitation makes it harder for them? |
| 00:15.50 | Hirsute | 8-mob pulls and the guantlet with no decent AoE threat generation |
| 00:15.51 | Codayus | Meh, TBC warrior aoe tanking wasn't that bad. |
| 00:16.20 | Arrowmaster | we did it with a warrior tank back when you still needed it for TK attunement and on the attempt we finally got it we went so fast we thought we went too fast and would have to wait for the executioner to spawn because we hadnt gotten any yells yet |
| 00:16.29 | Hirsute | Codayus: TBC Warrior aoe tanking = Thunder Clap, Thunder Clap, Thunder Clap with some cleaving mixed in. |
| 00:17.13 | Hirsute | Arrowmaster: it can be done, but it's *much* easier with a Pally or Bear tank, or was prior to Warriors getting some decent AoE threat. |
| 00:17.16 | Codayus | Yes. I know. And? Druids didn't have it much better. So your DPS had to be a little less nuts. *shrug* |
| 00:17.16 | Arrowmaster | there was nothing hard about it with a warrior really |
| 00:17.33 | Hirsute | Arrowmaster: Were you the warrior? |
| 00:17.37 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:17.40 | Hirsute | Okay. |
| 00:17.55 | Hirsute | I've *never* done another instance where I had to work as hard to hold aggro as H-SH |
| 00:18.14 | Arrowmaster | but our tank never once bitched about it being harder for a warrior to tank |
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| 00:18.51 | Codayus | Get better DPS IMHO. :-) |
| 00:19.02 | Hirsute | Heh. On my server people looking for groups for H-SH usually specifically asked for Pally tanks, or specifically disinvited Warrior tanks. |
| 00:19.17 | Arrowmaster | thats your problem, doing pugs |
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| 00:19.51 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't fix stupid |
| 00:19.52 | Hirsute | Arrowmaster: Aye, unfortunately, I got my toon up to 70 too slowly, and my guild was doing BT with an occasional KZ while I was trying to do heroics. |
| 00:20.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 00:20.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Or slow :P |
| 00:20.34 | Hirsute | Yeah... darn the school getting in the way of me playing WoW. |
| 00:20.44 | Hirsute | My highest toon right now is only 72. |
| 00:20.48 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know, i was slow to 80 and missed the heroics rush |
| 00:20.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Now is your break :P |
| 00:21.08 | ScytheBlade1 | You've still got another week or two, go :P |
| 00:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Three looks like |
| 00:21.21 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: One more week. |
| 00:21.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh? |
| 00:21.34 | Hirsute | I start back a week from Monday |
| 00:21.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 00:21.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus I can't count, I have two |
| 00:21.53 | ScytheBlade1 | But that explains it |
| 00:22.09 | Hirsute | Then it'll be all studying again, with a little WoW on the weekends. |
| 00:22.16 | Codayus | Heh, I wish I was still in school. I got waaaay more playtime in during grad school than I do now that I've graduated. :-( |
| 00:22.40 | Hirsute | Yeah. Med School + family of 4 leaves little time for WoW for me. |
| 00:22.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It would |
| 00:23.01 | Codayus | Oooh, ouch. |
| 00:23.02 | Hirsute | Especially when my wife is usually logged on by the time I get home. |
| 00:23.04 | Hirsute | <_< |
| 00:23.07 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
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| 00:23.08 | Hirsute | >_> |
| 00:23.14 | Codayus | And it's going to get worse before it gets better. :-( |
| 00:23.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It usually does |
| 00:23.46 | Hirsute | Sure will. Oh well. WoW is an enjoyable pass-time for me, but if I can't play.. *shrug* |
| 00:24.11 | Hirsute | I just get to deal with pugs when I do. |
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| 00:24.43 | Codayus | Could look for a more casual guild. |
| 00:25.01 | Codayus | That will focus on running 5 mans/naxx for longer. *shrug* |
| 00:25.03 | Hirsute | Or, I could get my hunter up to 80 first, and not have to deal with being the tank until my guild's alts start hitting the content I'm doing. |
| 00:25.08 | Shirik | Ah, Iriel, Checkstyle has its own classpath parameter which wasn't being propgated from my main build script, that's what was causing the error |
| 00:25.24 | Iriel | Shirik: What are you using to run builds? |
| 00:25.30 | Shirik | Ant |
| 00:25.39 | Iriel | Shirik: Ah.. yeah, that can be a problem. |
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| 00:34.20 | Iriel | I've been using maven of late, it takes some getting used to but it has some advantages. |
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| 00:40.13 | Shirik | While I was googling for this problem, I came across maven, but didn't take a look at what it was |
| 00:44.26 | Iriel | It's far from perfect (it makes a deliberate decision not to tackle certain things), but when you can work within its model it's really quite powerful -- and it does a nice job on dependency management (and automatically manages the class paths going into the various steps involved in a process) |
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| 01:26.47 | Shirik | no... microwave.... |
| 01:26.55 | Shirik | must...remain...connected... |
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| 02:01.04 | bleeter | ... if WotLK sold more in a month than the last Beatles album... does that also make WoW more popular than Jesus? |
| 02:01.55 | sacarasc | more people celebrated Jesus' (fake) birthday this week than play WoW |
| 02:03.02 | AnduinLothar | christianity world 'membership': 2,039 million |
| 02:03.07 | AnduinLothar | >> wow |
| 02:05.08 | Olorin | can someone please remind me how to get a table name rather than a memory location? |
| 02:05.47 | AnduinLothar | cant? |
| 02:06.17 | AnduinLothar | unless it's a frame or you otherwise saved it |
| 02:06.38 | AnduinLothar | or i spose it it was global or you knew the parent table |
| 02:06.48 | AnduinLothar | but that could take a while |
| 02:07.06 | Olorin | im trying to set the default value of a dropdown and cant fathom what values are used to set via UIDropDownMenu_SetSelectedValue(this.owner, this.value); |
| 02:07.39 | AnduinLothar | rephrase that |
| 02:08.53 | AnduinLothar | 'this' should be a frame |
| 02:08.57 | Olorin | hmm well I want to set the default value of a dropdown and the only way I can see to do that is via UIDropDownMenu_SetSelectedValue(this.owner, this.value); but I cant work out what these values are when used in the on_click function in order to fire them manually |
| 02:09.35 | AnduinLothar | ah, well find somehwere else that uses it int he blizz code. or look at the function definition itself |
| 02:10.40 | AnduinLothar | value is definitely the value of the info table that you want to set as the current value |
| 02:10.50 | AnduinLothar | owner could be the dropdown frame |
| 02:10.51 | Olorin | this.owner just gives the address but I cant remmebr how to get the table name |
| 02:11.03 | Olorin | aye, will try that as a string |
| 02:11.04 | AnduinLothar | this.owner:GetName() |
| 02:11.20 | Arrowmaster | and its self.owner now |
| 02:11.47 | Olorin | ok will try that, thanks |
| 02:17.40 | Olorin | ah that worked, UIDropDownMenu_SetSelectedValue(<dropdownframe>,0) was what i needed to set default dropdown entry, thanks again |
| 02:32.46 | `Joontje | Does anyone know where eepanels used to save its settings? |
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| 02:33.31 | Olorin | which folder? |
| 02:33.43 | `Joontje | ye |
| 02:33.52 | `Joontje | its not in saved variables |
| 02:34.50 | Olorin | checked both account and character saved variables? |
| 02:35.13 | `Joontje | mm good idea |
| 02:35.29 | Olorin | saved variables is only way addon can write data so it must be one of those |
| 02:36.40 | `Joontje | cant find it in either, wth.. its a direct backup of my old wow |
| 02:37.33 | `Joontje | guess its lost then |
| 02:38.40 | `Joontje | trying to create panels with kgpanels but i cant figure it out ;x |
| 02:41.08 | Olorin | tried doing a file search for the addon name? it would find the lua file that contains the saved variables |
| 02:41.31 | `Joontje | Olorin, nah its lost, dno exactly what i did |
| 02:41.49 | `Joontje | its wow 2.4 with all the addons i had back then |
| 02:41.56 | `Joontje | i just want to recreate my old ui |
| 02:41.58 | `Joontje | with its black areas n everything |
| 02:42.17 | `Joontje | but nothing appears when i try to create a panel |
| 02:42.38 | Olorin | ah sorry not used that addon so cant help |
| 02:43.09 | `Joontje | why cant this stuff be simple :( |
| 02:43.41 | Olorin | my guess would be that the picture file your using isnt right format/with correct channels, inc alpha |
| 02:44.36 | `Joontje | not using one |
| 02:45.22 | `Joontje | ill go back to trying |
| 02:45.54 | `Joontje | Thing is the eePanels i used, does not have any pictures in it so i figured the addon does it itself |
| 02:49.27 | foxlit | iTunes: "Scare 'Em S****d" |
| 02:49.51 | foxlit | It's interesting how apple is now my primary source for new swearwords |
| 02:49.59 | foxlit | If I only can decipher that. |
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| 02:50.22 | foxlit | "Stupid" |
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| 02:50.35 | foxlit | I can't believe they starred that. |
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| 03:05.50 | Dewin | bah, our server has queues again |
| 03:05.55 | Dewin | 500+ >.>' |
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| 03:25.04 | AnduinLothar | woot Sarth w/ 3 drakes down |
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| 03:46.17 | cbreak | OnUpdate is only fired for shown frames, not for those that are explicitly hidden? |
| 03:46.36 | AnduinLothar | correct |
| 03:47.26 | cbreak | excellent :) |
| 03:48.10 | cbreak | UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT only seems to fire when the unit changes to an other existing unit, not when it stops being valid. |
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| 03:56.05 | Shirik | cbreak: Of course, an invisible frame can be shown :) |
| 03:56.32 | cbreak | yes. I was more concerned about having to unregister OnUpdate on a hidden frame manually |
| 03:59.11 | Brenna | Good morning |
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| 04:00.32 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=11940#comments |
| 04:00.38 | mikma | great support. |
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| 04:13.42 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info12033-markszf.html |
| 04:13.44 | mikma | =D |
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| 04:19.42 | Brenna | Anyone mind pointing out the probably obvious error in http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105188 ? I got my info from wowwiki but the secure template article didnt get an edit since July... not sure if anything changed since then or if I am just a retard |
| 04:20.08 | Brenna | it does everything I expect from it but the marked line seems to be ignored/not working |
| 04:21.46 | Iriel | Did you enable the button for right clicks? |
| 04:22.04 | Brenna | I didnt |
| 04:22.26 | mikma | lol the secure template wizard strikes again |
| 04:22.29 | Iriel | see if that helps |
| 04:22.35 | mikma | addonimus repairus! |
| 04:22.41 | Brenna | Not too sure where I can find info about enabling buttons for certain click types either, I'll hit some search engines |
| 04:22.44 | Brenna | thanks |
| 04:23.47 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.40 | End | most expensive auction is... |
| 04:24.45 | End | 355165g |
| 04:24.55 | Brenna | thank you again Iriel :) |
| 04:25.14 | mikma | aint that the maximum amount of gold one char can carry |
| 04:25.21 | End | isn't the maximum amount of gold only 214748g? |
| 04:26.01 | Aiiane | might have gotten upped |
| 04:26.24 | Brenna | 4 bytes signed integer would be 2147483648 copper |
| 04:26.37 | Brenna | and its not unlikely to be upped for wrath yeah |
| 04:27.27 | Brenna | 355165 gold flows inbetween 4 bytes signed and 4 byte unsigned, kind of a weird number |
| 04:29.24 | Aiiane | hmm |
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| 04:39.20 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Help sick kids! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19741 | Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone! | Congrats Krka on baby girl!!! |
| 04:39.26 | Shirik | I didn't change shit stfu |
| 04:39.37 | Shirik | the only thing I did change was what you didn't do |
| 04:39.45 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b %nobin!*@*] by Shirik |
| 04:40.05 | nobin | yea |
| 04:40.10 | nobin | i can talk |
| 04:40.14 | Shirik | now behave |
| 04:40.33 | Shirik | or else I will resort to comparing you with Jason |
| 04:52.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Gngsk (n=Gngsk@c-69-138-214-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 04:54.23 | *** join/#wowuidev d87 (n=x@host89-251-107-18.hnet.ru) |
| 04:55.57 | Shirik | Who wants to give a little UI input for the MMOUI Manager? |
| 04:56.36 | Shirik | Pop quiz: When I encounter the name of an addon like DBM where it goes |cFF0055FFDeadly Boss Mods API|r |
| 04:56.46 | Shirik | should I actually color it, or strip the color code? |
| 04:57.11 | Shirik | I'm thinking strip the color code, I generally find that annoying |
| 04:57.16 | ScytheBlade1 | strip it |
| 04:57.18 | Iriel | Get it working with strip, then color it later if it looks cool and you have time |
| 04:58.32 | mikma | STRIP IT! TAKE IT ALL OFF WOOOWOOOWOOOOOWOOOOOOOOO |
| 05:02.31 | mikma | edwardo! save me! |
| 05:02.38 | mikma | ~whaleparry shirik |
| 05:02.39 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry shirik's attacks. |
| 05:04.35 | Arrowmaster | ~whalenuke mikma |
| 05:04.36 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around mikma with his mind powers. |
| 05:05.06 | mikma | ~whaleshield test |
| 05:05.23 | End | ~fail mikma |
| 05:05.24 | purl | mikma: FAIL! |
| 05:05.35 | Arrowmaster | need a list of ~whale* commands |
| 05:05.51 | mikma | ~factoid whaleparry |
| 05:05.52 | purl | ACTION gives whaleparry a cup of trinitrotoluene |
| 05:06.01 | mikma | k |
| 05:06.49 | mikma | ~tryme |
| 05:06.50 | purl | ACTION spins the revolver, points it at Aii and fires. BANG! |
| 05:06.52 | Arrowmaster | ~factinfo whaleparry |
| 05:06.52 | purl | there's no such factoid as whaleparry, Arrowmaster |
| 05:07.10 | mikma | oh, good job purl |
| 05:07.14 | mikma | ~botsnack |
| 05:07.14 | purl | mikma: :) |
| 05:07.14 | Aiiane | ;_; |
| 05:07.16 | Arrowmaster | ~whale* |
| 05:07.18 | Arrowmaster | ~whale |
| 05:07.19 | purl | somebody said whale was a magical creature used mainly by gnomes (c.f. Bloodmyst Isle), also by other races, to inject fear (a.k.a. ph34r) into the heart of the enemy. That is, if they aren't laughing so hard that a furious gnome has challenged them. |
| 05:07.20 | Aiiane | ~listkeys whale |
| 05:07.38 | mikma | ~whalenorris |
| 05:07.46 | mikma | ~whalenorris end |
| 05:07.46 | purl | ACTION gets a whale with a facial hair issue named Charles to roundhouse whack end in the face with his tail |
| 05:07.46 | End | ~whalekiss waffles |
| 05:07.47 | purl | ACTION makes hugh the formerly male whale give waffles a kiss |
| 05:07.47 | Aiiane | ~whalenorris mikma |
| 05:07.48 | purl | ACTION gets a whale with a facial hair issue named Charles to roundhouse whack mikma in the face with his tail |
| 05:07.48 | Shirik | ~factinfo cmd: whaleparry (.*?) |
| 05:07.48 | purl | cmd: whaleparry (.*?) -- created by hyperChipmunk <n=staharaj@d14-69-214-77.try.wideopenwest.com> at Tue Apr 18 08:04:27 2006 (985 days); it has been requested 11 times, last by mikma, 5m 9s ago. |
| 05:08.02 | Shirik | we're going to kill purl |
| 05:08.08 | mikma | good |
| 05:08.11 | mikma | ~die |
| 05:08.11 | purl | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 05:08.11 | End | ~whalefear mikma |
| 05:08.12 | purl | ACTION makes a grotesque whale named Marilyn open its mouth. mikma flees in terror at the sight of Marilyn's poor oral hygeine |
| 05:08.16 | |Jelly| | ~whalelottery |
| 05:08.17 | Arrowmaster | 11 times? that cant be right |
| 05:08.30 | Arrowmaster | ~whalekiss Cairenn |
| 05:08.31 | purl | ACTION makes hugh the formerly male whale give Cairenn a kiss |
| 05:08.31 | ScytheBlade1 | integer overflow probably |
| 05:08.40 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:08.42 | Aiiane | no, a lot of the factoids got reset a little bit ago |
| 05:08.54 | Shirik | ~factinfo failrik |
| 05:08.54 | purl | failrik -- created by Cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> at Mon Mar 17 17:36:58 2008 (286 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by WobWork at Mon Dec 1 22:37:08 2008. |
| 05:09.00 | Shirik | YES! ONLY 8 TIMES! |
| 05:09.08 | Aiiane | ~failrik |
| 05:09.09 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 05:09.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (n=Yssaril@adsl-99-145-237-190.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:09.13 | Shirik | 9 TIMES! |
| 05:09.17 | Arrowmaster | ~whaleflurry Shirik |
| 05:09.18 | purl | ACTION unleashes a flurry of slaps at Shirik using Gilbert - the ideal whale for the job |
| 05:09.20 | mikma | ~factinfo nsfs |
| 05:09.20 | purl | nsfs -- created by mikma <i=mikma@reaktio.net> at Sun Nov 16 00:25:17 2008 (43 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by mikma, 8h 12m 41s ago. |
| 05:09.26 | Shirik | 10 times :( |
| 05:09.29 | End | no, lies, noone said that 9 seconds ago |
| 05:09.32 | |Jelly| | ~failrik |
| 05:09.33 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 05:09.45 | mikma | ~nsfs |
| 05:09.46 | purl | methinks nsfs is not safe for shirik |
| 05:09.58 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 05:10.06 | |Jelly| | ~factinfo asktoask |
| 05:10.06 | purl | asktoask -- created by Shirik <i=nospam@24.229.63.42.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net> at Wed Jul 18 00:33:40 2007 (530 days); it has been requested 42 times, last by sztanpet, 3d 2h 58m 39s ago. |
| 05:10.17 | |Jelly| | My favorite. |
| 05:10.20 | |Jelly| | Well, one of. |
| 05:10.30 | Arrowmaster | ~factinfo ~_~ |
| 05:10.30 | purl | Arrowmaster: there's no such factoid as ~_~ |
| 05:10.35 | mikma | ~dirrhea |
| 05:10.43 | Arrowmaster | ~listkeys ~ |
| 05:10.44 | |Jelly| | ~factinfo irc |
| 05:10.44 | purl | irc -- last modified at Wed Oct 1 20:14:20 2008 by Mikk!n=mike@WoWUIDev/mikk; it has been requested 11 times, last by qwerty12_N800 at Sun Dec 21 14:16:31 2008. |
| 05:10.59 | |Jelly| | ~irc |
| 05:11.00 | purl | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are boys, the women are boys, and 14-year-old girls are FBI agents." |
| 05:11.07 | |Jelly| | I know that's been requested more than 11 timers. |
| 05:11.13 | Yssaril | i have a odd problem see http://i44.tinypic.com/12495yb.jpg if you look closely the topleft header and the top left cell seam slightly shifted also when you look at the right picture the cell background of the first header and cell are hidden one pixel earlier than the text. scrolling works fine for all other cells and headers. |
| 05:11.13 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/105201 |
| 05:11.15 | Aiiane | ~_~ |
| 05:11.16 | purl | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 05:11.16 | Shirik | wrong window |
| 05:11.18 | Shirik | I win |
| 05:11.24 | |Jelly| | ~~~~~ |
| 05:11.24 | purl | grrrr |
| 05:11.29 | Arrowmaster | ~~ |
| 05:11.30 | purl | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
| 05:11.30 | Aiiane | ~~~~~~ |
| 05:11.30 | purl | ACTION takes out a revolver and shoots aiiane in the head three times. |
| 05:11.36 | Hirsute | Yssaril: You're here! |
| 05:11.39 | Aiiane | ~~~~~~~ |
| 05:11.40 | purl | ACTION lets a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh eat aiiane. |
| 05:11.43 | Aiiane | ~~~~~~~~ |
| 05:11.44 | purl | You know, this got old a long time ago. |
| 05:11.48 | Aiiane | ~~~~~~~~~ |
| 05:11.49 | purl | I'm ignoring you now. |
| 05:11.53 | Aiiane | ~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 05:11.54 | Yssaril | Hirsute: hi |
| 05:12.06 | Arrowmaster | ~~~~~~~~~ |
| 05:12.07 | purl | I'm ignoring you now. |
| 05:12.07 | Hirsute | Did you see the ticket I submitted about Critters? |
| 05:12.46 | Aiiane | ~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 05:12.47 | purl | No, really, STOP! |
| 05:12.57 | Aiiane | ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 05:12.58 | purl | ~~~~~~~~~~~ are YOU READY?????????? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 05:12.58 | Hirsute | ~roulette |
| 05:12.59 | purl | ACTION watches hirsute pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 05:13.03 | Aiiane | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 05:13.08 | Hirsute | Wow... bad luck tonight. |
| 05:13.10 | Iriel | Stop that |
| 05:13.18 | Yssaril | Hirsute: yea i know |
| 05:13.20 | Aiiane | heh, k |
| 05:13.39 | Hirsute | Yssaril: Okay, sounds good. |
| 05:14.18 | Hirsute | Yssaril: Love both it and Mounted, otherwise. |
| 05:14.37 | Arrowmaster | ~factinfo cmd: lart (.*?) |
| 05:14.37 | purl | cmd: lart (.*?) -- created by [George] <~Test@m171-mp1-cvx2a.bre.ntl.com> at Sat Jun 8 19:43:25 2002 (2395 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. |
| 05:14.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats broken |
| 05:15.09 | Hirsute | ~lart Aiiane |
| 05:15.09 | purl | blames Aiiane for all the evil in the world |
| 05:15.14 | Arrowmaster | ~factinfo cmd: lart (.*?) |
| 05:15.14 | purl | cmd: lart (.*?) -- created by [George] <~Test@m171-mp1-cvx2a.bre.ntl.com> at Sat Jun 8 19:43:25 2002 (2395 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. |
| 05:15.16 | Hirsute | ha |
| 05:15.26 | Hirsute | Interesting. |
| 05:15.26 | Aiiane | hrm.. that one might be more accurate than most >.> |
| 05:15.28 | Arrowmaster | ~listkeys lart |
| 05:15.47 | Hirsute | ~cheeselart |
| 05:15.48 | purl | gives muenster a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 05:16.09 | Arrowmaster | ~factinfo ibot: lart |
| 05:16.09 | purl | ibot: lart -- created by CosmicPenguin <~nobody@aus-ext-proxy02.amd.com> at Tue Aug 17 17:11:05 2004 (1594 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. |
| 05:16.10 | Aiiane | ~alart |
| 05:16.11 | purl | LART is a luser attitude readjustment tool... proper examples include a clue-by-four, 3-phase through 10bT, or a luser prod. |
| 05:16.28 | Aiiane | ~unlart purl |
| 05:16.29 | purl | ACTION whallops aiiane for thinking of the idea |
| 05:16.37 | Hirsute | ~oberonlart |
| 05:16.43 | Aiiane | ~oberonlart Hirsute |
| 05:16.44 | purl | ACTION apt larts Hirsute with oberon and the man pages |
| 05:16.44 | Shirik | ok seriously, can we chill with purl |
| 05:16.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Shirik |
| 05:16.58 | purl | slams Shirik against a large cement Tux |
| 05:17.00 | Hirsute | ... sorry... |
| 05:17.04 | Aiiane | will you dance in a pink tutu for me Shirik ? |
| 05:17.14 | Shirik | Are you sure you want to see that? |
| 05:17.23 | Aiiane | no, but I want to videotape it |
| 05:19.02 | Tekkub | why did I just hear a fel reaver in dalaran? |
| 05:19.05 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.11 | Thrae | Oh you people in Dalaran, it's like you've been living in a bubble for the last few years. |
| 05:20.23 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 05:20.25 | ScytheBlade1 | That was terrible |
| 05:20.28 | Tekkub | you suck |
| 05:20.37 | Shirik | Thrae |
| 05:20.41 | Tekkub | insert pally joke |
| 05:20.52 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: you mean the sound of somebody flying in and getting the no fly zone warning? |
| 05:20.56 | Thrae | Paladins -- The Ultimate Bubble Boy |
| 05:21.06 | Tekkub | you hear other people's? |
| 05:21.10 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:21.15 | Arrowmaster | they shake the screen too |
| 05:21.29 | Thrae | And hello Shirik |
| 05:21.39 | Hirsute | So... why, exactly, is Dalaran a no-fly zone? |
| 05:21.59 | Tekkub | wow, that's kinda fail on blizzy's side.. I figured the warning was all on the clientside |
| 05:22.02 | Arrowmaster | because protodrakes are big |
| 05:22.06 | ScytheBlade1 | If it wasn't, you wouldn't be able to see -anything- |
| 05:22.10 | Iriel | And it'd probably look stupid |
| 05:22.18 | Tekkub | dalaran should be a no-take-off zone |
| 05:22.22 | Codayus | Because it would be almost as lame as Shat if it wasn't. |
| 05:22.27 | Tekkub | you should still be allowed to fly over it |
| 05:22.34 | Hirsute | <--Haven't made it to Dalaran. |
| 05:22.41 | Hirsute | Flying in Shatt didn't bug me. |
| 05:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shatt was large, open |
| 05:22.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Dalaran is infinitely smaler |
| 05:22.55 | Tekkub | shatt was too big |
| 05:22.56 | ScytheBlade1 | *smaller |
| 05:22.56 | Iriel | Shatt and dalaran are significantly different architectures |
| 05:23.03 | Codayus | Flying wasn't the problem, the problem was that Shat was an ugly baren wasteland, and flying made it worse. |
| 05:23.05 | Tekkub | I like dalaran |
| 05:23.06 | Iriel | dalaran has much greater density |
| 05:23.07 | Thrae | Dalaran's no-fly policies stem from international pressure, where the mages are just too triger-happy with their Fireballs. |
| 05:23.09 | Shirik | Iriel: Yeah, like |
| 05:23.10 | Shirik | well, |
| 05:23.13 | Shirik | one's ... in the sky |
| 05:23.14 | Arrowmaster | dalaran is the smallest city in the game i think |
| 05:23.15 | Tekkub | Trey doesn't, cause he's getting .6 FPS |
| 05:23.25 | Codayus | Dalaran is the best city Bliz has ever made. It's more awesome than all the others combined |
| 05:23.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: by far |
| 05:23.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: (for the capital cities) |
| 05:23.33 | End | well |
| 05:23.37 | End | shatt was kinda spread apart |
| 05:23.38 | Tekkub | "Oh 2.1 FPS!" |
| 05:23.39 | Hirsute | I'll have to check it out. |
| 05:23.59 | End | and blizzard said "oh we want the bustling city back" |
| 05:24.01 | Thrae | Codayus: Blizzard likes doing stuff so well in their expansions, it makes the old content almost useless and ugly by comparison. |
| 05:24.12 | End | it's like they made a list of things they could do, did them all, and went too far |
| 05:24.23 | Codayus | Well, it's good they're trying to improve. |
| 05:24.29 | End | although, people tended to gather up near the banks and inns in shatt |
| 05:24.31 | End | which seemed fine to me |
| 05:24.32 | Aiiane | Thrae: except for figuring out how to leave boars out of the mob roster |
| 05:24.56 | Thrae | Aiiane: What's wrong with boars? |
| 05:25.18 | Aiiane | about the same thing that's wrong with The Sims |
| 05:26.01 | Tekkub | they're boaring |
| 05:26.15 | Shirik | oh dear god |
| 05:26.16 | Thrae | New expansions mean new quest hubs! It's like starting over at level 1, except you're level 70 now, trying to get to level 80. Therefore, you need to fight those amazing super-elite Level 72 Wolves, Boars, and Rats which only exist in Northrend. |
| 05:26.39 | Tekkub | and bears |
| 05:26.50 | Shirik | I think my regex to strip color codes was slightly wrong: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/09565d9b9b8be1595eb0d7adbbd9d171.jpg |
| 05:26.56 | Thrae | "That Rat could solo Dire Maul!" |
| 05:27.21 | Codayus | What's nice about Dalaran is the attention to detail and the fact that everything has a point - you'll want to go into every building sooner or later. Compare to IF, which is barren in comparison. (Or shatt, which didn't even have buildings at all...) |
| 05:28.09 | Tekkub | Level 72 boars! Now with more liver! |
| 05:28.34 | End | I have no reason to enter the leather vendor building! |
| 05:28.37 | kd3 | or the humanoids in borean tundra that accidentally dropped three ears back in alpha/beta |
| 05:28.37 | Codayus | Which helps explain why the population density in shatt is very even; there's people everywhere. |
| 05:28.59 | Codayus | End: you'll roll a rogue. Someday. The stars have foretold it. |
| 05:29.11 | Thrae | Yeah, one would hope more boars have livers at level 72. The poor Level 5 boars barely had any livers. |
| 05:29.12 | Codayus | er, s/shatt/dalaran/ |
| 05:29.30 | Tekkub | 72% more livers |
| 05:29.49 | kd3 | meh, there's people everywhere but my system still grinds to a halt whenever I fly to dalaran |
| 05:29.53 | Thrae | Codayus: I already rolled a Rogue, as a Feral Druid! |
| 05:30.09 | End | rolling a hunter would work too |
| 05:30.10 | End | or shaman |
| 05:30.16 | End | mail vendor is in the same building |
| 05:30.38 | Codayus | Heh |
| 05:31.18 | Codayus | Luckily, my system handles dalaran fine, so I am free to bask in the beutiful city. |
| 05:31.23 | End | same |
| 05:31.25 | End | well |
| 05:31.45 | End | if you call 30-40fps fine! |
| 05:32.00 | Tekkub | you know, there's a wonderfully simple solution for the people whose systems DON'T handle cities well... |
| 05:32.10 | Codayus | Yeah, stay in Goldshire! |
| 05:32.12 | kd3 | it's called "don't go there". works well, to a point |
| 05:32.18 | End | to a point |
| 05:32.26 | Tekkub | [ ] I don't give a fuck about other players in cities, defer loading their models to improve performance |
| 05:32.33 | End | ih |
| 05:32.33 | kd3 | that would be <3 |
| 05:32.34 | End | oh |
| 05:32.38 | End | I wish we had that option |
| 05:32.41 | End | for my laptop :P |
| 05:32.46 | kd3 | everyone go poke their dev contacts |
| 05:32.47 | sacarasc | hehe |
| 05:32.54 | Tekkub | the one thing FFXI got right... you hit town, only saw NPCs |
| 05:33.01 | End | it got 2fps, ..it was so awesome to get back home today |
| 05:33.06 | Thrae | Tekkub: Make the entire city instanced? |
| 05:33.07 | Tekkub | hang around for 5 or 10 minutes, everyone loads eventually |
| 05:33.33 | Tekkub | Thrae, nah, just have the option to give player model loading low priority |
| 05:33.41 | End | also, my laptop makes WoW look kinda blurry...and very uncolorful |
| 05:33.43 | Tekkub | for people with good systems, it's pointless |
| 05:33.51 | End | and the world is foggy!@ |
| 05:33.57 | Tekkub | but wow has always had low min reqs |
| 05:34.10 | Codayus | Actually, doesn't WoW do that? During vanilla I had a crap system, and it took me minutes to see people in IF... |
| 05:34.11 | kd3 | meh, my system's good. playing wow from a lvm was probably not a very wise idea, though |
| 05:34.28 | kd3 | I'm hdd bound in dalaran, not anything else |
| 05:34.36 | End | hdd? o_O |
| 05:34.39 | End | oh |
| 05:34.40 | End | duh |
| 05:34.41 | End | ignore me |
| 05:34.42 | End | 8-) |
| 05:34.52 | End | I thought you were talking like a hearthstone |
| 05:35.02 | End | but you mean performance :P |
| 05:35.10 | Thrae | Tekkub: WoW may be a solo'rs dream, but the one form of interaction solo'rs love is people paying attention to them ;) |
| 05:35.30 | Thrae | "omg, that fuzzy bear is looking at my cool gearz" |
| 05:35.30 | Tekkub | that's what the anal trade channel is for |
| 05:35.49 | Thrae | "I paid through the roof to make sure this set matches!" |
| 05:36.53 | kd3 | whee, hokay. akasaka 13 is done downloading. now for the inevitable letdown |
| 05:37.00 | kd3 | however, marathoning denno coil was sweet |
| 05:37.18 | kd3 | think I've got another "10" to add to my list of 3. |
| 05:38.47 | Thrae | kd3: Wow, that's normally too much harem even for me. |
| 05:39.20 | kd3 | 2 girls is a harem? |
| 05:40.15 | Thrae | kd3: It's a love polygon show/game, there are like 7 girls on the cover the main gets to intentially/unintentially flirt with. |
| 05:40.39 | kd3 | meh |
| 05:40.48 | kd3 | anyway, I'm still expecting a letdown for the last ep. we'll see |
| 05:41.16 | Thrae | Sometimes those harem game animes aren't made from the right flags ;) |
| 05:48.15 | Shirik | ok I'm going crazy with this regex here |
| 05:48.45 | Shirik | "|cffaabbccfoo|r" should match "|c[0-9a-fA-F]{8}(.*?)|r" right? |
| 05:49.34 | Shirik | because it's not matching for some reason and I can't figure out why |
| 05:50.01 | ckknight | Shiyes, but use %x, not [0-9a-fA-F] |
| 05:50.01 | ckknight | :-P |
| 05:50.14 | ckknight | I don't think {8} works in lua, though |
| 05:50.28 | ckknight | so just do %x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x |
| 05:50.35 | Shirik | not Lua |
| 05:50.57 | Shirik | Lua doesn't have regexes, and I intentionally meant regexes |
| 05:51.04 | Shirik | PCRE |
| 05:51.22 | Shirik | I probably should have been clearer though |
| 05:51.43 | ckknight | ah |
| 05:51.49 | ckknight | use // then, not "" |
| 05:51.50 | ckknight | :-P |
| 05:51.50 | Tekkub | yea lua regex is half-assed |
| 05:52.01 | Tekkub | I've never seen {8} syntax with it |
| 05:52.23 | Tekkub | in *real* regexes... yea |
| 05:52.26 | Shirik | not perl either, just pcre :) |
| 05:52.31 | Tekkub | isn't there \h for hex digits? |
| 05:52.45 | Shirik | probably something like that, I didn't feel like looking it up |
| 05:52.52 | Tekkub | maybe \x |
| 05:53.03 | ckknight | pretty sure it's \x |
| 05:53.08 | Tekkub | yea |
| 05:53.18 | ckknight | so do /|c\x{8}(.*?)|r/i |
| 05:53.23 | ckknight | wait |
| 05:53.36 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.42 | Tekkub | you may have to escape | |
| 05:54.17 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:54.20 | ckknight | that's what I realized |
| 05:57.28 | Hirsute | lua patterns don't have a word-boundary character class, do they? |
| 05:57.58 | Shirik | yes they do |
| 05:58.00 | Shirik | but it's undocumented |
| 05:58.05 | Shirik | The frontier pattern |
| 05:58.07 | Hirsute | Ooooh, what is it? |
| 05:58.07 | ckknight | %f |
| 05:58.17 | Shirik | %f[a-zA-Z] is probably what you want |
| 05:58.21 | Shirik | or %f[%a] |
| 05:58.24 | Hirsute | Nice, that might simplify this greately. |
| 05:58.40 | Shirik | google for lua frontier pattern |
| 05:58.42 | Shirik | there's a good writeup of it |
| 05:58.58 | Hirsute | I was doing %sfoo%s or ^foo%s or %sfoo$... I can replace all of that with %ffoo%f? |
| 06:02.18 | Aiiane | not exactly |
| 06:02.25 | Aiiane | %f is not word boundary persay |
| 06:02.28 | Aiiane | it's just "boundary" |
| 06:02.50 | Aiiane | you have to specify what it's a boundary on |
| 06:03.13 | Aiiane | hence, %f[%a] is "boundary between letters and non-letters" |
| 06:03.46 | Hirsute | so say I want to find "foo" but not "foobar". would it be %f[%a]foo%f[%a]? |
| 06:03.49 | Shirik | not quite |
| 06:03.58 | Shirik | %f means "transition from in-set to out-of-set" |
| 06:04.08 | Shirik | er, I got that backwards, sorry |
| 06:04.13 | Shirik | from out-of-set to in-set |
| 06:04.21 | Shirik | so the first is right, the second should be %f[%A] |
| 06:04.23 | Shirik | i.e., inverting it |
| 06:04.32 | Aiiane | you'd probably want %f[%S]foo%f[%s] |
| 06:04.37 | Shirik | because you want to move from characters to non-characters |
| 06:05.09 | Hirsute | What is %S? |
| 06:05.17 | Shirik | non-whitespace |
| 06:05.17 | Aiiane | the inverse of %s |
| 06:05.22 | Hirsute | Aaaah. |
| 06:05.50 | Aiiane | i wonder if the capitalization-inversion rule works for frontier, Shirik |
| 06:05.52 | Hirsute | Would %f[%c]foo%f[] work? |
| 06:06.01 | Shirik | what is %f[] |
| 06:06.03 | Hirsute | That didn't work... |
| 06:06.10 | Shirik | I think lua should get pissed about %f[] |
| 06:06.11 | Hirsute | %f[% C] |
| 06:06.25 | Arrowmaster | you do not want %f[%S]foo%f[%s] |
| 06:06.27 | Hirsute | my irc client ate my % followed immediately by C |
| 06:06.37 | Arrowmaster | dont try to use %f with %S or %s |
| 06:06.54 | Aiiane | Arrowmaster: why? |
| 06:07.11 | Arrowmaster | because it doesnt work as expected with the beginning of the string |
| 06:07.28 | Arrowmaster | its undocumented for a reason |
| 06:07.44 | Aiiane | no need to preach, all i asked was why |
| 06:07.57 | Aiiane | thank you for the answer |
| 06:08.07 | Hirsute | Bah. WTB proper regexs |
| 06:08.18 | Aiiane | I'm assuming it's okay to use it mid-pattern then Arrowmaster ? |
| 06:08.29 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.match("asdf foo bar", "%f[%S]foo%f[%s]") |
| 06:08.30 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: foo |
| 06:08.37 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.match("foo", "%f[%S]foo%f[%s]") |
| 06:08.38 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nil |
| 06:08.43 | Arrowmaster | see |
| 06:09.16 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.match("foo", "%f[%a]foo%f[%A]") |
| 06:09.16 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: foo |
| 06:09.24 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.match("asdf foo bar", "%f[%a]foo%f[%A]") |
| 06:09.25 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: foo |
| 06:09.39 | Shirik | I didn't know that was the reason it was undocumented |
| 06:09.42 | Shirik | I thought they just wanted to get rid of it |
| 06:09.49 | Arrowmaster | well its not the reason |
| 06:09.53 | Aiiane | %a is only letters though, no Arrowmaster ? |
| 06:10.03 | Arrowmaster | Aiiane: correct |
| 06:10.14 | Arrowmaster | i have no idea what the exact issue is |
| 06:10.20 | Shirik | he said "word boundary" |
| 06:10.27 | Shirik | I'm not aware of words with numbers in them |
| 06:10.33 | Hirsute | lua> string.match("123foo","%f[%a]foo%f[%A]") |
| 06:10.34 | lua_bot | Hirsute: foo |
| 06:10.52 | Shirik | that being said, it's fairly trivial to change it to %a%d |
| 06:11.01 | Hirsute | Pretty much, I just don't want it to match a part of a word, I want it to match whole words only. |
| 06:11.14 | Shirik | how do you define "word" |
| 06:11.22 | nobin | yeah, the %'s are just macros for matching groups |
| 06:11.23 | Hirsute | Shirik: Good point. |
| 06:11.34 | Shirik | nobin, be quiet, you don't know Lua patterns |
| 06:11.37 | Shirik | this ain't perl |
| 06:11.52 | nobin | i thought you were using regexs |
| 06:11.56 | Shirik | different problem |
| 06:12.08 | Shirik | the fact that we're both talking about pattern matching is entirely coincidental |
| 06:12.18 | nobin | ahhh.. |
| 06:12.21 | nobin | kk |
| 06:12.25 | Hirsute | I don't anticipate needing to be able to match the numbers, so the %f[%a]foo%f[%A] should do what I want. |
| 06:12.27 | nobin | i will be in private then |
| 06:12.30 | Shirik | :P |
| 06:12.34 | Aiiane | Arrowmaster: im basically just curious about what the simplest way to match each word as defined by any set of non-whitespace characters |
| 06:12.41 | Aiiane | would be |
| 06:12.50 | Shirik | ;) |
| 06:13.08 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.match("asdf foo bar", "%f[%a%d%p\128-\255]foo%f[^%a%d%p\128-\255]") |
| 06:13.09 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: foo |
| 06:13.14 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[%a%d%p\128-\255]foo%f[^%a%d%p\128-\255]") |
| 06:13.15 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: foo |
| 06:13.25 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:13.27 | Shirik | is that really necessary? |
| 06:13.40 | Arrowmaster | figure out why %S doesnt work |
| 06:13.50 | Aiiane | includes null char? |
| 06:13.55 | Hirsute | what is the \128-\255? |
| 06:14.10 | Arrowmaster | \128-\255 is there for unicode |
| 06:14.10 | Shirik | it's everything between |
| 06:14.19 | Shirik | lua> string.char(128), string.char(255) |
| 06:14.19 | lua_bot | Shirik: €, ÿ |
| 06:14.19 | Hirsute | Aaah |
| 06:14.21 | Shirik | those! |
| 06:14.30 | Shirik | but yeah it's for unicode :) |
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| 06:15.09 | Shirik | So! Back to more important problems! |
| 06:15.13 | Shirik | my regex still doesn't work T_T |
| 06:15.45 | Arrowmaster | oh shit |
| 06:15.55 | Arrowmaster | %S does match \000 |
| 06:15.57 | Thunder_Child | ~poor Shirik |
| 06:16.02 | Arrowmaster | thats the reason |
| 06:16.21 | Shirik | Well now here's where we get into the "undocumented" part |
| 06:16.24 | Shirik | is that intentional |
| 06:16.37 | Arrowmaster | wait i messed something up here |
| 06:16.40 | Shirik | the "unofficial" documentation says that end-of-string is ALWAYS out-of-set, not that it counts as \0 |
| 06:17.14 | Aiiane | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[\33-\255]foo%f[^\33-\255]") |
| 06:17.14 | lua_bot | Aiiane: foo |
| 06:17.20 | Aiiane | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[\32-\255]foo%f[^\32-\255]") |
| 06:17.20 | lua_bot | Aiiane: nil |
| 06:17.41 | Aiiane | 32 being space |
| 06:17.48 | Shirik | that's odd |
| 06:17.56 | Aiiane | basically the beginning of the string appears to count as a space |
| 06:17.58 | Arrowmaster | \009\010\011\012\013 are what match %S |
| 06:18.09 | Shirik | I'm fairly certain you forgot 32, Arrowmaster |
| 06:18.20 | Shirik | the most obvious match for %s |
| 06:18.33 | Shirik | (I also think you meant %s, not %S |
| 06:18.49 | Aiiane | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[\1-\31\32-\255]foo%f[^\1-\31\32-\255]") |
| 06:18.50 | lua_bot | Aiiane: nil |
| 06:18.51 | Arrowmaster | print((string.gsub(tempstring,"%S",""):gsub("[%c\128-\255]",escapeChar))) |
| 06:18.54 | Arrowmaster | is what i have |
| 06:19.00 | Aiiane | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[\1-\31\33-\255]foo%f[^\1-\31\33-\255]") |
| 06:19.00 | lua_bot | Aiiane: foo |
| 06:19.12 | Aiiane | it definitely considers the 0th character of a string as a space |
| 06:19.14 | Arrowmaster | my tempstring contains 0-255 |
| 06:19.43 | Shirik | I think you have to be careful about that. There are comments in the manual about string.match not working very well for strings with 0s in them |
| 06:19.44 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[%z\1-\31\33-\255]foo%f[^%z\1-\31\33-\255]") |
| 06:19.45 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nil |
| 06:19.48 | Arrowmaster | ha |
| 06:20.22 | Arrowmaster | its \0 not \32 |
| 06:20.34 | Shirik | then explain this |
| 06:20.44 | Aiiane | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[\33-\255]foo%f[^\33-\255]") |
| 06:20.45 | lua_bot | Aiiane: foo |
| 06:20.49 | Aiiane | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[\32-\255]foo%f[^\32-\255]") |
| 06:20.50 | lua_bot | Aiiane: nil |
| 06:20.50 | Shirik | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[ ]foo%f[^ ]") |
| 06:20.50 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 06:20.54 | Aiiane | how does that work out, Arrowmaster ? |
| 06:20.57 | End | Shirik: nil |
| 06:21.10 | Aiiane | it works when 32 isn't included, and doesn't work when it is |
| 06:21.15 | Aiiane | nothing else changes |
| 06:21.39 | Shirik | wait |
| 06:21.43 | Shirik | yeah that test was stupid |
| 06:22.16 | Shirik | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[^ ]foo%f[ ]") |
| 06:22.16 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 06:22.20 | Shirik | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[^ ]foo") |
| 06:22.20 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 06:22.23 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[\32]foo%f[^\32]") |
| 06:22.23 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nil |
| 06:22.26 | Shirik | there, explain that one |
| 06:22.57 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: That test is meaningless, as I corrected myself too |
| 06:23.03 | Shirik | as "foo" is not in the set of [\32] |
| 06:23.09 | Arrowmaster | yeah im mixing myself up too |
| 06:23.10 | Shirik | (specifically, 'f' isn't) |
| 06:23.24 | Aiiane | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[^\32]foo%f[\32]") |
| 06:23.25 | lua_bot | Aiiane: nil |
| 06:23.26 | Shirik | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[^ %z]foo") |
| 06:23.26 | lua_bot | Shirik: foo |
| 06:23.46 | Shirik | now that's an interesting result |
| 06:23.48 | Aiiane | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[^\32]foo%f[%z]") |
| 06:23.49 | lua_bot | Aiiane: nil |
| 06:23.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah so its not space |
| 06:24.02 | Aiiane | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[%z]foo%f[\32]") |
| 06:24.03 | lua_bot | Aiiane: nil |
| 06:24.06 | Shirik | lua> return string.match("foo bar", "%f[^ %z]foo"), string.match("foo bar", "%f[^ ]foo") |
| 06:24.06 | lua_bot | Shirik: foo, nil |
| 06:24.09 | Shirik | ^ check out that test |
| 06:24.25 | Aiiane | Arrowmaster: I'm still waiting on an explanation for the earlier pair of commands, though |
| 06:24.30 | Tekkub | lua> string.gsub("a b", "(.)", function(c) return "\\"..string.byte(c) end) |
| 06:24.31 | lua_bot | Tekkub: \97\32\98, 3 |
| 06:24.44 | Tekkub | it *is* \32 |
| 06:24.47 | Arrowmaster | my explaination is that %f is undocumented for a reason |
| 06:24.49 | Shirik | uh |
| 06:24.49 | Tekkub | *boggle* |
| 06:24.52 | Shirik | Tekkub... |
| 06:25.01 | Tekkub | wut? |
| 06:25.06 | Arrowmaster | you cant explain how it works thus it cant be documented |
| 06:25.08 | Shirik | never mind... |
| 06:25.18 | Aiiane | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[^%z ]foo%f[%z ]") |
| 06:25.19 | lua_bot | Aiiane: foo |
| 06:25.20 | Tekkub | lua> print("wut???") |
| 06:25.21 | lua_bot | Tekkub: wut??? |
| 06:25.43 | Aiiane | i think it just treats string boundaries as simultaneously space-and-null |
| 06:26.01 | Aiiane | or something along those lines |
| 06:26.01 | Shirik | I think it's just plain broken :P |
| 06:26.08 | Shirik | and hence, as Arrowmaster's saying, undocumented for a reason |
| 06:26.12 | Tekkub | lua regex broken? |
| 06:26.16 | Tekkub | why I nevar |
| 06:26.19 | Shirik | Well, an undocumented feature |
| 06:26.24 | Shirik | you can't really say it's broken |
| 06:26.29 | Tekkub | you just did |
| 06:26.30 | Arrowmaster | so going back to the earlyer example |
| 06:26.32 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.match("asdf foo bar", "%f[%S]foo%f[%s]") |
| 06:26.32 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: foo |
| 06:26.33 | Shirik | but it's certainly irratic |
| 06:26.33 | Tekkub | and no one disagreed |
| 06:26.37 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[%S]foo%f[%s]") |
| 06:26.37 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nil |
| 06:26.38 | Shirik | I disagreed! |
| 06:26.48 | Tekkub | your opinion doesn't count |
| 06:26.49 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[^%s]foo%f[%s]") |
| 06:26.50 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nil |
| 06:26.54 | Aiiane | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[^%z ]foo%f[%z ]") |
| 06:26.54 | End | I will explain all: |
| 06:26.54 | lua_bot | Aiiane: foo |
| 06:26.56 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.match("foo bar", "%f[^%z%s]foo%f[%s]") |
| 06:26.56 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: foo |
| 06:26.57 | End | Shirik: nil |
| 06:27.03 | Shirik | End: die |
| 06:27.07 | End | nil |
| 06:27.08 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.match("asdf foo bar", "%f[^%z%s]foo%f[%s]") |
| 06:27.09 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: foo |
| 06:27.13 | Arrowmaster | so that works |
| 06:27.30 | Tekkub | now back to ripping apart auc's "CompactUI" |
| 06:27.41 | Aiiane | lua> string.match("asdf bar foo", "%f[^%z%s]foo%f[%s]") |
| 06:27.42 | lua_bot | Aiiane: nil |
| 06:27.49 | Shirik | I might go around poking holes in the code to see exactly what it's doing with %f to make this strange behavior |
| 06:27.50 | Aiiane | lua> string.match("asdf bar foo", "%f[^%z%s]foo%f[%s%z]") |
| 06:27.51 | lua_bot | Aiiane: foo |
| 06:27.59 | Aiiane | need %z on both sides |
| 06:28.18 | Hirsute | Tekkub: What are you trying to accomplish by ripping apart CompactUI? |
| 06:28.27 | Aiiane | like i said, it appears to treat the 'out of bounds' characters as space-and-nul |
| 06:28.30 | Tekkub | standaloneness |
| 06:28.51 | Hirsute | As in, you want CompactUI without the rest of Auctioneer? |
| 06:28.56 | Tekkub | da |
| 06:28.59 | Hirsute | Ah |
| 06:29.05 | Shirik | I need my regexbuddy T_T |
| 06:29.06 | Hirsute | That's a new one. |
| 06:29.13 | Tekkub | I don't use auc |
| 06:29.23 | Tekkub | and I kinda hate how tightly integrated it is |
| 06:29.32 | Aiiane | modularity go? |
| 06:29.39 | Hirsute | Tekkub: No problems there, it's just that most of the questions we get regarding CompactUI are how to turn it off. |
| 06:29.48 | Aiiane | lol |
| 06:29.55 | Aiiane | i like it |
| 06:30.01 | Tekkub | CompactUI is the best part of auc |
| 06:30.01 | Hirsute | This is the first time I've heard of someone wanting to run CompactUI just for CompactUI. |
| 06:30.05 | Aiiane | or at least, liked it when i still was playing wow a lot :P |
| 06:30.13 | Tekkub | obviously, why I want to rip it out |
| 06:30.15 | Hirsute | Well, I'll disagree with you there, but it is very nice. |
| 06:30.26 | Tekkub | well then you don't pay attention |
| 06:30.33 | Tekkub | someone's been bitching at me all week to do this |
| 06:30.59 | Hirsute | Tekkub: I pay plenty of attention. I just disagree that CompactUI is the best part of Auctioneer |
| 06:31.14 | Tekkub | well look at it this way... |
| 06:31.14 | Shirik | I personally hate CompactUI |
| 06:31.23 | Tekkub | auctioneer should be a few addons... |
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| 06:31.49 | Tekkub | one for AH prices, one for the AH UI, one for AH posting |
| 06:32.13 | Hirsute | I don't see the utility in separating AH prices from AH posting. |
| 06:32.15 | Tekkub | I have my own solutions to 1 and 3 |
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| 06:32.29 | Tekkub | using a different source of prices? |
| 06:32.49 | Tekkub | some of us don't like wasting all that memory for mean price when we end up undercutting the min price |
| 06:33.03 | Tekkub | but appraiser's UI is nice |
| 06:33.11 | Hirsute | Ah, fair enough. |
| 06:33.37 | Hirsute | Although, again, "all that memory" is a fairly relative term. |
| 06:33.39 | Tekkub | that's honestly my only real complaint with auc is the pricing methods... which is why I made tekauc |
| 06:33.48 | Codayus | Same, I like appriaiser a *lot*, but could do without all the complex statistical scanning. I've got a stack of herbs, I want to post them at the going rate...very simple. |
| 06:33.50 | Tekkub | heh, hardly |
| 06:33.53 | End | what does tekauc do exactly? |
| 06:33.59 | Hirsute | I've never had Auc use more than 80mb of memory. |
| 06:33.59 | Tekkub | 26MiB for Auc's DB, 2 for tekauc's |
| 06:34.05 | Aiiane | i could have sworn auc had a simple undercut option |
| 06:34.16 | Tekkub | End, undercuts! |
| 06:34.19 | Codayus | Aiiane: It does. Well, it's not simple. But it does have it. |
| 06:34.21 | Shirik | wtf is going on with my email! |
| 06:34.33 | Hirsute | Tekkub: But I don't notice the difference between 80, 26, and 2 performance-wise, so why worry about it? |
| 06:34.36 | Tekkub | Shirik, oh sorry, that's my porn |
| 06:34.38 | Shirik | I try to log in and it kicks me out. I click reset password, type in my username and it logs me in, so I click email and it logs me out again |
| 06:34.40 | End | how does tekauc get its data? full AH scan? |
| 06:34.40 | Tekkub | if you like it, keep a copy |
| 06:34.41 | Codayus | The problem is you get the entire Auc monolith just to get a nice posting interface. :-p |
| 06:34.49 | Shirik | It doesn't even ask me for information when I reset my password, it just logs me in |
| 06:34.54 | Tekkub | Hirsute, you don't notice it, but I sure do |
| 06:34.55 | Shirik | then it kicks me out after I checkc mail |
| 06:35.08 | Hirsute | Tekkub: How much RAM do you have? |
| 06:35.13 | Tekkub | loading no data vs loading 26MiB... every single login and reaload... |
| 06:35.21 | Tekkub | it's not a matter of RAM |
| 06:35.23 | Hirsute | Ah, okay. |
| 06:35.27 | Hirsute | It's during the loading. |
| 06:35.29 | Aiiane | loading time is my biggest pet peeve, yeah |
| 06:35.39 | Aiiane | performance is fine; load time is what's the pain |
| 06:36.07 | Tekkub | it's the loading, and it's more so the loading of all that data that I didn't use |
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| 06:36.42 | Hirsute | Codayus: Regarding posting a stack of herbs at the going rate: How do you know what the going rate is without scanning? |
| 06:36.47 | Tekkub | tekauc does what I need, with 0 on load (which happens at the AH, not login)... and 2-3 MiB after a scan, which takes seconds :) |
| 06:36.56 | Tekkub | and yes, I know auc can do the all-scan too |
| 06:37.15 | Hirsute | Tekkub: I'm glad it does what you need. |
| 06:37.27 | Tekkub | didn't I have this EXACT disscussion with you when I wrote tekauc? |
| 06:37.34 | Hirsute | Tekkub: I'm certainly not out to convince everyone that Auctioneer is the right tool for them. |
| 06:37.45 | Codayus | Hirsute: By and large, there's a million herbs up. The price doesn't change too much, so I probably don't care what they were going for last week. |
| 06:37.47 | Hirsute | Tekkub: Nope. I've not had this discussion in here before, period. |
| 06:37.59 | Tekkub | I don't believe you :P |
| 06:38.09 | End | Tekkub: you need to discuss it with all the auctioneer developers! |
| 06:38.18 | Hirsute | Codayus: Except that the prices *have* been changing on herbs, and will change from day to day. At least, on my server they do. |
| 06:38.20 | Tekkub | and yea, my only point is that Auc's heavily-integrated-package design sucks |
| 06:38.25 | Hirsute | Tekkub: *grin* |
| 06:38.53 | Tekkub | vs a "package of a few addons that are designed to work together, but each serve a ver distinct purpose" |
| 06:39.09 | Codayus | Most stuff I auction falls into really rare stuff that the Auc history isn't good for, or really common stuff the Auc history isn't needed for. |
| 06:39.36 | Hirsute | And I've never found an item that a sufficient history isn't good for, *shrug* |
| 06:39.42 | Tekkub | Codayus, all I auction are gems and glyphs, which both I only care about the current price |
| 06:39.58 | Tekkub | and if there is none, fall back to my last sale price, or a manually set price |
| 06:40.04 | Codayus | Hirsute: Kill a rare mob, you'll get some blue Foo of the X, and you may not have seen one up before. |
| 06:40.29 | Tekkub | rare drops are a bitch to price, even with history |
| 06:40.30 | Codayus | A few other things have a history, but it's variable because the market is so illiquid. |
| 06:40.40 | Codayus | Exactly. |
| 06:40.42 | Hirsute | Codayus: I did say *sufficient* history. Though with the inclusion of the iLvl stat, the history is a bit more helpful, sooner. |
| 06:40.47 | Tekkub | often the history is full of the same person re-posting the item at lower and lower prices |
| 06:41.07 | Tekkub | or a random smattering of prices because no one knows what it's really "worth" |
| 06:41.13 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 06:41.14 | Codayus | But. |
| 06:41.48 | Tekkub | I usually hit up wowecon and look at the long-term history across all servers and pick a nice median |
| 06:42.00 | End | I need to revise my strategy of trinketing out of kidney shot...I just got killed within cheap shot o_O |
| 06:42.34 | End | 18k to 0 in...1.5ish seconds :x |
| 06:42.34 | Tekkub | strategy? "get hit with kidney shot" "use trinket" |
| 06:42.46 | End | I didn't get hit by kidney shot |
| 06:42.51 | End | I didn't last that long! |
| 06:43.00 | Codayus | Ithink Tek is implying its more of a tactic or rule of thumb. |
| 06:43.02 | Tekkub | then how would you trinket out of it? |
| 06:43.12 | End | I was waiting for it :P |
| 06:43.17 | End | I'm used to living more than 1.5 seconds |
| 06:43.19 | Codayus | (Or maybe not.) |
| 06:43.19 | End | although |
| 06:43.25 | End | it wouldn't have made a difference |
| 06:43.28 | Tekkub | 1) last that long 2) get hit with it 3) trinket |
| 06:43.30 | End | consider I still need to cast a spell :P |
| 06:43.38 | End | yeah, I'm working on 1) |
| 06:43.43 | Hirsute | Tekkub: Have you popped over into #norganna-dev to talk with the rest of the devs about reducing the tightness of the integration between appraiser, the stats, and the CompactUI? |
| 06:43.46 | Tekkub | so the failure here isn't your "strategy", it's your survivability |
| 06:43.52 | Aiiane | End: what class are you? |
| 06:43.57 | End | warlock >_> |
| 06:44.03 | End | yeah shut up |
| 06:44.07 | End | my survivability sucks |
| 06:44.07 | Tekkub | Hirsute, no, why? I'm just going to make my own |
| 06:44.11 | Tekkub | I don't use Auc |
| 06:44.17 | Aiiane | thank you then for reaffirming my decision to take a break from WoW at the start of wotlk :P |
| 06:44.24 | Hirsute | Those ideas sound in-line with a lot of what we'd like to work towards, and I expect you might get some help in splitting them apart. |
| 06:44.32 | Aiiane | (one of my 3 mains is/was a warlock) |
| 06:44.46 | Tekkub | "get help" *snicker* |
| 06:45.05 | Tekkub | the "help" I need is for you bastards to stop distracting me so I can code! |
| 06:45.32 | Aiiane | O_O |
| 06:45.37 | Aiiane | bad Tekkub! |
| 06:45.39 | Hirsute | Tekkub: Well, you did say: "now back to ripping apart auc's "CompactUI"" |
| 06:45.51 | Hirsute | If nothing else, your changes might help us make Auc a better tool for more people. |
| 06:46.27 | Tekkub | you can have my code when I'm done if you want it... you know my shit's a free-for-all |
| 06:46.39 | Hirsute | ie-Making Appraiser by default able to take stats from other engines or what-not. |
| 06:47.03 | Tekkub | yea I gave you that solution already... one sec |
| 06:47.16 | Tekkub | http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-195 |
| 06:47.23 | Tekkub | I implemented it in tekauc |
| 06:47.47 | Tekkub | if you implemented it on both sides (price source and posting interface) you could use a different price source |
| 06:48.07 | Tekkub | and it'd be nice and consistent across addons like GetSellValue is |
| 06:48.13 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 06:48.45 | Tekkub | AND! I could use auc prices in my addons *coughpandacough* without having to support auc directly |
| 06:49.40 | Hirsute | Tekkub: Thanks for pointing that out. I'll poke around with the other devs and see what might be done (I'm only peripherally associated with most of the core of Auc-Advanced, I've worked mostly on Informant and minor interface tweaks). |
| 06:50.30 | Tekkub | GetAuctionBuyout would make my life a million times easier, and might encourage other devs to pull prices from auc if it's there |
| 06:51.12 | Tekkub | since getting a price is as trivial as `if GetAuctionBuyout then price = GetAuctionBuyout(itemid) end` |
| 06:51.58 | Hirsute | It sounds like a good idea to me. I'll see what the other devs think. |
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| 06:56.27 | squidbear | If I give a frame multiple :SetScripts will they override each other? |
| 06:56.54 | Tekkub | last one set wins |
| 06:56.59 | Tekkub | that's why you hook |
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| 06:57.56 | Tekkub | local orig = frame:GetScript("OnEnter"); frame:SetScript("OnEnter", function(self, ...) --[[Do shit]] if orig then return orig(self, ...) end end) |
| 06:59.34 | squidbear | mm ok. yeah I was trying to create a global event frame and just setscripts in each lua file to handle different events |
| 07:00.05 | Tekkub | event dispatcher's simple to make |
| 07:00.13 | Shirik | omfg |
| 07:00.16 | nobin | http://xkcd.com/208/ |
| 07:00.16 | nobin | ^ now that my perl work is done, i will retire to my bat cave |
| 07:00.18 | Shirik | the alt text of today's xkcd is awesome |
| 07:00.37 | Shirik | It took me a minute to get it, but it is so awesome |
| 07:01.16 | Tekkub | squidbear, http://github.com/tekkub/addontemplate/tree/master/AddonTemplate.lua#L23-42 |
| 07:01.52 | Aiiane | lol Shirik |
| 07:02.09 | Tekkub | 2 lines of code for the dispatcher, a register and a function for each event handler |
| 07:03.54 | amro | happy new year! |
| 07:04.02 | Shirik | wtf you talking about |
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| 07:05.58 | amro | lunar new year. 'tis muharram now |
| 07:06.17 | Shirik | the moon sucks |
| 07:06.24 | Shirik | the only good thing it produced is Lua |
| 07:06.34 | amro | :) |
| 07:06.52 | amro | solar calendar is overrated. there's no excitement because the seasons are on the same months each time |
| 07:07.29 | Shirik | that way we can actually use the months to associate with a point of time? |
| 07:08.41 | Tekkub | the moon kicks ass, better than that shitty hot sun |
| 07:08.58 | Shirik | talk to Cairenn about being cold |
| 07:08.59 | Shirik | she hates it |
| 07:09.03 | Shirik | she'd rather be on the sun than the moon |
| 07:09.13 | Cairenn | damn straight |
| 07:09.19 | Tekkub | what does she know, she's all female and stuff |
| 07:09.26 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:09.31 | Shirik | you's gonna get a whoopin |
| 07:09.49 | Cairenn | not unless he begs pretty |
| 07:09.57 | Cairenn | I know how much he enjoys it, after all |
| 07:10.16 | Tekkub | he now, I lived with a woman that changed the thermostat every half hour till I was like 18 |
| 07:10.31 | Tekkub | and she still doesn't know that thermo isn't wired up, the real one is hidden |
| 07:10.42 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 07:15.25 | Aiiane | evil Tekkub |
| 07:16.00 | Shirik | well we all knew how evil he was |
| 07:16.46 | Aiiane | i know, i just like calling other people evil, it distracts from my own evilness |
| 07:19.14 | amro | aren't we all in the holiday spirit |
| 07:20.02 | Shirik | holidays are evil |
| 07:20.26 | Shirik | I have considered recommending to my family that we delay christmas by 2 weeks so that we can all save money on presents by taking advantage of after-christmas sales |
| 07:20.59 | Shirik | the same with halloween, except that would need to be extended to the entire neighborhood. Candy is very cheap after halloween |
| 07:23.09 | Shirik | wow, not a single response :( |
| 07:23.32 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 07:23.48 | Tekkub | Shirik, save candy for a year, DUH |
| 07:24.00 | Shirik | I can't save candy for a year |
| 07:24.03 | Shirik | I can barely save it for a week |
| 07:24.14 | Tekkub | then you need to buy more |
| 07:24.30 | Shirik | attempts to do that would inflate prices due to supply and demand |
| 07:24.37 | Tekkub | you need to buy enough such that come next halloween, there's still enough left over |
| 07:24.45 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, have someone else store said candy |
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| 07:25.15 | amro | that would be a lot of candy tek |
| 07:25.19 | Tekkub | freeze it, then the "easy access" is gone |
| 07:25.36 | amro | access is not the issue, storage is |
| 07:25.52 | Shirik | I dunno, my closet is pretty big |
| 07:25.54 | Tekkub | no, access is, it's easy to store |
| 07:26.03 | Tekkub | but if it's easy to EAT.... |
| 07:26.16 | amro | I wouldn't let a silly thing such as ice stop me |
| 07:26.44 | Thunder_Child | make sure all said candy is candycorn |
| 07:26.49 | Shirik | oh god |
| 07:27.05 | Tekkub | then you don't eat enough candy to rot your teeth and make them really sensative to cold |
| 07:27.12 | Tekkub | so you should be eating it anyway |
| 07:27.16 | Shirik | who came up with candy corn anyway |
| 07:27.22 | squidbear | Tekkub, what is the setmetatable for? |
| 07:27.23 | Shirik | I mean, it's quite possibly the worst candy ever |
| 07:27.26 | Tekkub | Shirik, there's really only one solution I see here... |
| 07:27.27 | Thunder_Child | i dunno but i seem to be one of the few who like it |
| 07:27.30 | Tekkub | GIVE OUT PENNIES |
| 07:27.41 | Tekkub | for metatabling |
| 07:27.41 | Thunder_Child | prolly as a defence against not liking chocolate |
| 07:27.45 | Shirik | pennies are getting more valuable |
| 07:27.49 | Shirik | can't do that |
| 07:28.00 | Tekkub | see? it's an investment in their pitiful futures |
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| 07:28.57 | Tekkub | fine, dollars, the raw materials aren't likely to be worth more than the actual currency there for at least another few years |
| 07:29.12 | Tekkub | you're good for, oh, at least two halloweens |
| 07:29.16 | Shirik | I duno |
| 07:29.25 | Shirik | bush still has almost a month left to screw over everything |
| 07:31.03 | Shirik | shirik:setLocation(Floor.UPSTAIRS); |
| 07:31.45 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.02 | Thunder_Child | stop whining about bush |
| 07:35.47 | Tekkub | but he's only got a month left to whine |
| 07:36.03 | Thunder_Child | s/about bush// |
| 07:36.30 | Shirik | ~emulate shirik |
| 07:36.31 | purl | I'll whine about anything |
| 07:37.07 | Thunder_Child | ~shirik |
| 07:37.08 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, shirik is "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik |
| 07:37.38 | Thunder_Child | whining is doing nothing |
| 07:37.44 | Shirik | negative |
| 07:37.53 | Shirik | whining is doing something |
| 07:37.54 | Tekkub | not whining is doing nothing |
| 07:38.00 | Shirik | it may lack an accomplishment |
| 07:38.02 | Tekkub | whining takes effort and opinions |
| 07:38.04 | Shirik | but it is still something to do |
| 07:38.13 | Codayus | Tekkub: I'm not sure about the opinions part. |
| 07:38.22 | Thunder_Child | stop your failspeak |
| 07:38.39 | Tekkub | well, okey that's optional |
| 07:38.40 | Codayus | :-) |
| 07:38.46 | Tekkub | but it is the root of most whines |
| 07:40.15 | Shirik | I do have a legitimate question though |
| 07:40.36 | Thunder_Child | shoot |
| 07:40.42 | Shirik | Bush has been quoted as saying that people don't understand his accomplishments because nobody is ever remembered while they are active, but rather only after they have retired |
| 07:40.55 | Shirik | But what exactly has he "accomplished" |
| 07:41.01 | End | his mission |
| 07:41.07 | End | just like what the banner says! |
| 07:41.13 | Shirik | banner? |
| 07:41.40 | Thunder_Child | on the carier |
| 07:41.43 | Thunder_Child | carrier |
| 07:41.46 | Thunder_Child | something like that |
| 07:42.45 | End | yeah |
| 07:42.51 | End | it was a big banner on a carrier |
| 07:42.59 | End | it said "mission accomplished" |
| 07:43.07 | End | re: invasion iraq |
| 07:43.16 | End | and that major combat operations had ended |
| 07:43.24 | End | this was about...4 months after it started? |
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| 07:45.18 | amro | saddam owed him $30, that was the mission accomplished |
| 07:45.37 | End | oh, actually, that was like a month and a half after the invasion started |
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| 07:59.09 | squidbear | Is there anything wrong with writing an event handler like this? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105211 |
| 08:02.45 | squidbear | Sorry... http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105212 |
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| 08:31.38 | squidbear | ugh my internet keeps bugging out :( |
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| 08:39.52 | squidbear | anyone around? |
| 08:42.26 | Corrodias | i |
| 08:43.11 | squidbear | could you take a look at some code and tell me what's wrong? |
| 08:43.26 | squidbear | let me find which tab it's in... |
| 08:43.28 | squidbear | >.> |
| 08:43.41 | squidbear | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105212 |
| 08:44.10 | squidbear | no errors, but nothing gets updated |
| 08:44.49 | Arrowmaster | dont register the events inside the onevent handler |
| 08:45.01 | Arrowmaster | it will never run so they will never be registered |
| 08:47.31 | Corrodias | since i am basically a little tipsy, and haven't touched WoW or its addons in many months, i'll just concur with the esteemed Arrowmaster there |
| 08:49.07 | squidbear | >.< |
| 09:02.24 | squidbear | Hide() action blocked.... |
| 09:04.05 | End | l2setalpha |
| 09:04.10 | End | or use secure state headers |
| 09:04.59 | End | er, or whatever they call them now |
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| 09:18.26 | Shirik | I think I just made one of the worst hacks I've ever done |
| 09:18.54 | Shirik | I have this little web browser, and I wanted to get rid of the scroll bars on it, but it doesn't provide that option. So I added it to another window that was just barely too small, and cut off the scroll bars |
| 09:19.34 | End | you are a terrible person |
| 09:19.43 | zenzio | you couldn't inject some CSS? |
| 09:20.14 | Shirik | it's not really my site |
| 09:20.23 | Shirik | or do you mean inject it before it gets here |
| 09:20.25 | Shirik | maybe |
| 09:20.39 | haste | or just use the userChrome styles most browsers support |
| 09:20.47 | End | most? |
| 09:20.56 | End | isn't that just a gecko thing? |
| 09:21.06 | haste | opera, midori, firefox at least |
| 09:21.07 | End | oh wait, opera probably too |
| 09:21.19 | End | Shirik: what sort of...little web browser? |
| 09:21.34 | Shirik | a little web browser inside the mmoui manager |
| 09:21.44 | End | ahh |
| 09:21.57 | Shirik | I really would like to know where the scroll bars came from though |
| 09:22.08 | Shirik | I went through the code in the library that's providing the HTML renderer... I see nothing about scroll panes |
| 09:22.22 | Shirik | I posted on his forum asking, out of curiosity, wtf he did |
| 09:22.34 | Tekkub | Shirik sucks! |
| 09:22.39 | End | Shirik: nil |
| 09:24.13 | End | oh, I should probably go to bed |
| 09:24.21 | End | dalaran is deserted |
| 09:24.59 | Shirik | dalaran deserted == indication it is way too late |
| 09:25.04 | End | yup |
| 09:25.11 | Shirik | heh, my dad leaves for work in an hour |
| 09:25.19 | Shirik | if I'm still up when he wakes up he'll probably kill me |
| 09:25.30 | End | ~kill Shirik |
| 09:25.31 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized anti-positrino gun at Shirik |
| 09:25.34 | Shirik | :( |
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| 09:26.12 | crom | anyone know how to copy a table of data into the restricted namespace of a secure handler? |
| 09:26.17 | End | I'm trying to find someone with a mechna-hog or traveling tundra mammoth and make their mount small |
| 09:26.46 | End | ok, I should -really- go to bed |
| 09:27.05 | End-sleep | me change nick? no can happen! |
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| 10:17.02 | zenzio | "Don't be the laughingstock of your friends when you shout 'Happy New Years' a second too early ... The International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service has announced that a leap second will be added on December 31, 2008 at 23h 59m 60s, meaning that this year will be exactly one second longer." |
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| 10:27.59 | Wobin | interesting |
| 10:28.04 | Wobin | You can fish while lying down =P |
| 10:28.20 | ReAn | http://fukung.net/v/636/likeashot.jpg |
| 10:31.51 | Wobin | http://fukung.net/v/11428/1a4d076710416aa82c0331ab9de814c9.png |
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| 11:02.59 | ZorbaTHut | oh man, can anyone here decipher this? "Since I got QH after logging off WoW cant open another sites for 4-5 mins. How cn I get rid of this issue." |
| 11:03.01 | ZorbaTHut | because I can't |
| 11:03.46 | zenzio | clearly QH is ruining his intarwebs |
| 11:04.22 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, questhelper has a known incompatibility with WoW's built-in web browser. You know, the one that runs when you close WoW. |
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| 11:22.36 | Fisker- | ~epic fail enermax |
| 11:22.36 | purl | enermax, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you enermax, you are that epic failure. |
| 11:27.55 | Zyndrome | god damn, thought my house was on fire ... turns out we've lit the fireplace in the basement recreation room for the very first time |
| 11:28.21 | Zyndrome | scary part is that I wouldn't survive if there really was a fire, as I am so tired I couldn't muster the strength to even sit up |
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| 11:29.27 | Fisker- | you don't say? |
| 11:29.30 | Fisker- | Where do you live? |
| 11:29.37 | Fisker- | i have an awesome idea |
| 11:31.24 | Fisker- | 24/7 @ 40°C ready! |
| 11:31.24 | Fisker- | Non-Stop industrial class performance at 50°C/122°F ambient. |
| 11:31.26 | Fisker- | fail? |
| 11:31.30 | Fisker- | :D |
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| 11:37.25 | Lothaer | morning |
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| 11:47.12 | Lothaer | anyone here? |
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| 12:12.21 | Wobin | http://fukung.net/v/7883/cf12b5372166716d7c94eb849cdb6c59.png |
| 12:12.23 | Wobin | >< |
| 12:12.31 | Wobin | that -nose- |
| 12:43.48 | amro | that face in general |
| 12:49.54 | Zyndrome | that face ... it was made for me |
| 12:50.01 | Zyndrome | DRRRRR .... DRRRRRRRR |
| 12:55.44 | Cidan | I lawl'd |
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| 14:25.54 | nevcairiel | Does anyone know if i can query the number of charges left on an item somehow without tooltip scanning? |
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| 14:30.48 | Beladona | if ther eis, I can't find it |
| 14:32.32 | nevcairiel | if you place it in an action button, the game knows. damn lack of API =P |
| 14:37.32 | foxlit | You wouldn't be the first to complain about that :) |
| 14:37.52 | nevcairiel | of course not |
| 14:39.11 | foxlit | no patch, btw? |
| 14:39.27 | foxlit | nevermind, it's monday |
| 14:39.43 | Fisker- | it's not monday! |
| 14:39.45 | Fisker- | It's Fiskerday! |
| 14:40.26 | Cidan | it's moonday! |
| 14:40.31 | Cidan | (_|_) |
| 14:41.40 | Fisker- | NO |
| 14:41.42 | Fisker- | Fiskerday! |
| 14:47.54 | foxlit | Fisker-moons-you-day? |
| 14:48.19 | Fisker- | no |
| 14:48.28 | Fisker- | Fiskers-birthday-you-giev-presents-nao-day |
| 14:48.28 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 14:48.58 | Cidan | is it really? |
| 14:49.22 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 14:50.08 | Cidan | Happy birfday! |
| 14:50.20 | Fisker- | yay! |
| 14:50.35 | Fisker- | Trolling fades from you |
| 14:50.36 | Fisker- | :( |
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| 15:11.47 | foxlit | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw16709.jpg << too pretty |
| 15:12.05 | foxlit | Although should probably use own icons rather than resizing the 64x64 ones |
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| 15:14.50 | Mikk | getglobal("TradeRecipientItem7ItemButton"):RegisterForClicks("AnyUp") |
| 15:14.51 | Mikk | srsly |
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| 15:15.10 | Mikk | What's wrong with TradeRecipientItem7ItemButton:RegisterForClicks("AnyUp") |
| 15:15.37 | Mikk | ~fail Torhal |
| 15:15.38 | purl | Torhal: FAIL! |
| 15:19.19 | Wobin | goddamnit |
| 15:19.23 | Wobin | we need a tabard keyring =P |
| 15:19.30 | kromar | whats the latest toc version? 30300? |
| 15:19.53 | Wobin | Happy birthday Fisker |
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| 15:23.04 | Mikk | kromar: check the channel title? |
| 15:23.38 | Mikk | (hint: 30300 is 3.3.0) |
| 15:26.52 | foxlit | select(4,GetBuildInfo()) |
| 15:26.53 | Wobin | also |
| 15:26.54 | Wobin | http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=uRv8gnBMiWM&fmt=18 |
| 15:26.57 | Wobin | very cool =) |
| 15:27.20 | foxlit | grrr, autube! |
| 15:31.47 | Wobin | his Fur Elise is good too |
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| 15:47.09 | kontroll| | Quick question: Is there a way to have my addon throw an event on its own ("UNIT_NAME_UPDATE" for example)? |
| 15:47.46 | foxlit | No. And yes. |
| 15:47.55 | foxlit | You can call your event handler yourself. |
| 15:48.09 | foxlit | You can even get a list of all frames registered for a specific event and call all of their event handlers |
| 15:48.15 | kontroll| | I know, but throwing the event would be slightly less messy code wise in this case. :P |
| 15:48.19 | kontroll| | Aha. |
| 15:48.20 | foxlit | But there's no |
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| 15:48.26 | foxlit | ThrowEvent("BLAH", foo) |
| 15:49.17 | kontroll| | I wish there was. :P |
| 15:49.28 | foxlit | No, you really do not |
| 15:49.58 | foxlit | You don't want to throw the event globally, anyway -- you could affect other addons adversely in an unpredictable fashion. |
| 15:51.02 | kontroll| | Ah, but there's no additional data in this case, so nothing to bork. |
| 15:51.18 | foxlit | other people's assumptions are fragile |
| 15:51.27 | kontroll| | The event in question has no args. :P |
| 15:51.32 | foxlit | Regardless. |
| 15:52.15 | foxlit | The problem is, you can't foresee every assumption I can make about when and how that event fires. |
| 15:55.31 | kontroll| | Meh. Messy approach it is then. ;P |
| 16:00.52 | foxlit | # What do you do with a B.A in English? |
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| 16:03.01 | Duman | hmm |
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| 16:07.15 | cog|work | rawr |
| 16:08.09 | Duman | mornin |
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| 17:23.32 | kneeki | I'm running into an issue when I try to make a button which has a spell assigned to it. When the player holds down SHIFT and clicks the button, it should pick it up to the cursor, and if not shift, then it should be casting the spell. As it is now, if the player clicks normally, it works fine. But if shift is being held down it has the sound of 'picking up the spell', but it seems as it is... |
| 17:23.34 | kneeki | ...being immediately dropped off the cursor, and cannot be placed. Any ideas? http://www.wowi.pastey.net/105226 |
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| 17:27.41 | leethal | is it possible to make fontstrings scale dynamically when you SetScale on a parent frame of the fontstring? |
| 17:27.48 | leethal | or do I have to handle the font scaling manually? |
| 17:27.56 | leethal | like, use a different font, or something |
| 17:28.43 | alestane | Frames should cale with their parents these days, I think. |
| 17:31.20 | leethal | doesn't seem like fontstrings are, though =/ |
| 17:32.44 | alestane | What exactly are you trying to do, and where are you running into trouble? |
| 17:32.50 | leethal | I'll paste some code =) |
| 17:34.20 | leethal | here's the entire function -- http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105229. I have a slider that performs a SetScale on self.spellFrameWrapper. It works, and sets the scale. The fontstring created on line 39 does not change size, however |
| 17:36.15 | leethal | I've investigated CreateFontString -- I haven't found a way to explicitly set the parent of the fontstring. I assume the fact that it's created via a function on the frame itself is enough. |
| 17:36.57 | foxlit | On an entirely unrelated note, you're mixing quote mark styles for no apparent reason. |
| 17:37.23 | leethal | foxlit: ah true, bad habit |
| 17:37.35 | alestane | Well, you could use someFrame.CreateFontstring(someOtherFrame, layer, name, ...), but that seems like an odd practice. |
| 17:37.50 | leethal | alestane: I'll try and see if it helps |
| 17:38.07 | alestane | Frame:CreateFontstring(...) should create the new fontstring as a region on Frame. |
| 17:38.38 | leethal | hmm, actually, fonstring:GetParent():GetName() reports 'NaoSpellFrame[x]' =/ |
| 17:38.40 | foxlit | You know, there are some scaling issues with fontstrings |
| 17:38.58 | foxlit | But they have more to do with embedding |Textures |
| 17:40.07 | leethal | my _real_ question is: I have a bunch of frames with fontstrings in them, that i want to scale with a slider |
| 17:40.21 | leethal | perhaps I can call a specific method on the fontstrings or something? |
| 17:40.26 | foxlit | :SetScale on the frame should work |
| 17:40.31 | foxlit | emphasis on SHOULD |
| 17:40.53 | foxlit | (or, at least, I think it should -- I think I've got code that relies on that, but I'm not sure.) |
| 17:41.05 | leethal | well, it doesn't work on WorldMapTextFont, at least. Perhaps it's some font-specific thing *shrug* |
| 17:41.10 | foxlit | See if you can make something entirely simple like a single frame+single font string |
| 17:41.19 | leethal | good idea |
| 17:41.24 | foxlit | Then change scale ona timer and see if the font string scales |
| 17:42.14 | alestane | I mean, I have a mod that scales the WorldMapFrame when it gets scrolled. |
| 17:42.46 | alestane | Some of the fontstrings scale, but some don't. |
| 17:43.45 | alestane | The one at the top of the map that says "Worl Map" does, but the one that puts the name of the region under the mouse in big white letters doesn't. |
| 17:44.55 | leethal | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105230 -- self.wtfFrame:SetScale(0.5) does not change the size of the text |
| 17:45.07 | leethal | it truncates it when the frame becomes to narrow to contain the text, that's it |
| 17:45.22 | leethal | I'll experiment with some different fonts, then |
| 17:45.48 | alestane | GameFontNormal appears to scale. |
| 17:46.28 | leethal | indeed it does! |
| 17:46.35 | leethal | I'll just find a large-ish font that scales, then =) |
| 17:47.20 | alestane | WorldMapTextFont appears to be the one that doesn't scale. |
| 17:47.55 | leethal | hah, not bad, I used the one font that doesn't scale |
| 17:49.22 | leethal | hmm, is it easy to add text shadow? I liked the huge black border on WorldMapTextFont |
| 17:50.38 | foxlit | relatively easy |
| 17:50.45 | foxlit | but do you mean the border or the shadow? |
| 17:51.03 | alestane | Looks like it's a characteristic of the font object outline="thick", at least in XML. |
| 17:51.10 | leethal | ah, I mean the border |
| 17:51.17 | foxlit | Yeah, it's the font style |
| 17:51.22 | foxlit | You're looking for either OUTLINE or THICK |
| 17:52.13 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_FontInstance_SetFont |
| 17:52.13 | leethal | where do i enter that? can't find anything about font style @ http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/FontString |
| 17:52.47 | foxlit | That's because most of the font-related stuff is actually on FontInstance rather than FontString |
| 17:52.56 | foxlit | So if you wanted to use wp, http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/FontInstance is the page you're looking for. |
| 17:53.08 | leethal | oh that's nice to know |
| 17:53.11 | foxlit | Of course, http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/FontInstance/SetFont is far from helpful |
| 17:53.19 | alestane | I don't see a characteristic on the two fonts that are inherited, that would allow one to scale but stop the other from doing so, unless it's being handled in the WorldMapFrame code somewhere. |
| 17:53.29 | leethal | mm, I tend to use wowwiki a lot as well, there's usually more information there |
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| 17:56.10 | leethal | odd, SetFont doesn't seem to have any impact. fontstring:SetFont('CombatTextFont', 40) for instance, it is not ridicoulosly huge |
| 17:56.22 | leethal | I guess I'm doing it wrong, though, since I'm specifying the font in both CreateFontString and SetFont |
| 17:56.29 | foxlit | You're probably doing it wrong |
| 17:56.36 | foxlit | Because the first argument is path rather than name |
| 17:56.43 | foxlit | do |
| 17:56.53 | foxlit | fontstring:SetFont(fontstring:GetFont(), 40) |
| 17:57.49 | leethal | yes indeed |
| 17:59.26 | Olorin | anyone know off their head what the frames called that shows the guild tab and access rights is called, it doesnt show when moused over using DTFrameStack |
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| 18:20.12 | Tem|work | LOOL |
| 18:20.13 | Tem|work | http://www.gametube.org/#/video/F/Y5WyagYHEgxvdFhDQVc83biyek= |
| 18:21.01 | Corr-work | what is it with these sites using javascript to display a flash object? i could swear that's not necessary. |
| 18:21.42 | Corr-work | oh, and this is one of those fantastic ones that doesn't display anything at all while it's loading... |
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| 18:23.56 | alestane | Olorin: Looks like it's probably GuildControlPopupFrame |
| 18:25.23 | leethal | Corr-work: it's because some versions of IE6 afaik |
| 18:25.36 | leethal | or, that's the only real reason, besides being more convenient with JS etc. |
| 18:26.20 | leethal | Corr-work: lawsuit required MS to add a "Sure you wanna load this flash?" dialogue thingie one had to click when loading flash movies, the JS (swfobject) has a workaround far that |
| 18:28.48 | Corr-work | that's... bizarre |
| 18:30.33 | zenzelezz | Toy Train is remarkably effective at getting people to return from AFK |
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| 18:34.31 | MentalPower | leethal: rly? I've never heard of such a legal requirement |
| 18:35.25 | sylvanaar | oh yeah |
| 18:35.32 | sylvanaar | they had that requirement |
| 18:35.47 | sylvanaar | it was a nightmare |
| 18:35.49 | leethal | MentalPower: mm, it's odd, it's not in all IE6s either |
| 18:35.53 | leethal | not sure about the details |
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| 18:35.58 | sylvanaar | the requirement has lapsed |
| 18:36.05 | leethal | "Click OK to continue loading the page" or something |
| 18:36.20 | leethal | a dialogue box with an OK button and that text |
| 18:36.21 | leethal | \o/ |
| 18:36.33 | nevcairiel | no cancel button? =P |
| 18:37.20 | sylvanaar | they have been removing the requirement for a while now |
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| 18:39.00 | Olorin | alestane, thanks |
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| 18:39.17 | sylvanaar | and it was more like "click on this object to load it" |
| 18:41.05 | sylvanaar | it applied to any activex object not just flash. its in the ie4 codebase too. |
| 18:42.39 | sylvanaar | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms537508.aspx |
| 18:44.57 | Shirik | gah, need an SVN unrevert |
| 18:45.12 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 18:45.22 | Shirik | I reverted something because I thought I was completely wrong, went to sleep, woke up and found I just needed to add one line |
| 18:47.24 | nevcairiel | rever the revert, shouldnt that work? =P |
| 18:47.31 | sylvanaar | no he didnt check in |
| 18:47.38 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 18:47.45 | sylvanaar | he reverted his working copy |
| 18:47.46 | Shirik | revert = remove local modifications |
| 18:48.00 | Shirik | it's no big deal it's not that much change |
| 18:48.03 | nevcairiel | even git wont help you there |
| 18:48.11 | Aiiane | unless you had local-committed |
| 18:48.18 | nevcairiel | sleep deprivation is a developer problem =P |
| 18:48.43 | Aiiane | sleep dep is fun and easy |
| 18:48.47 | Aiiane | well, maybe not the fun part |
| 18:49.10 | Shirik | It's because this damn component has stupid defaults |
| 18:49.23 | Shirik | If you put it in a window, it defaults to always drawing on top of everything else, even if something else is on top of it blocking it |
| 18:49.33 | Shirik | You have to add a line to tell it to follow Z order |
| 18:49.45 | sylvanaar | sounds like a work of art |
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| 18:51.57 | sylvanaar | wait a sec - are you developing local services with no UI for your updater? |
| 18:52.11 | Shirik | huh? |
| 18:52.26 | sylvanaar | it was something i forgot to ask you the other day |
| 18:52.34 | Shirik | I'm not sure I understand the question |
| 18:53.28 | sylvanaar | k, update service, is that something local to the machine that you attach a separate ui to, or is it a remote service |
| 18:53.39 | sylvanaar | or both |
| 18:53.55 | Shirik | I'm not sure what you mean by "local" or "remote" |
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| 18:54.15 | sylvanaar | local, meaning running on the machine thats getting the updates |
| 18:54.47 | Shirik | yes it runs on the machine that gets updates. Behind-the-scenes, they're loaded just like WoW loads addons: I scan a folder for .jar packages with appropriate attributes and load them into OSGi |
| 18:54.59 | Shirik | However, the services generally don't provide a UI |
| 18:55.03 | Shirik | the UI is handled by the core itself |
| 18:55.14 | sylvanaar | right, that was what i was asking |
| 18:55.39 | sylvanaar | core what |
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| 19:09.23 | Daede | could some unbelievably talented UI developer help me trackdown and squash an error? |
| 19:09.25 | Daede | http://pastebin.com/d2a52e9fe |
| 19:09.33 | Daede | get it as soon a si login |
| 19:10.11 | zenzelezz | "(string expected, got nil)", seems forward enough |
| 19:10.23 | zenzelezz | did you try checking what the values are before calling strupper? |
| 19:10.24 | Daede | if youre a coder maybe |
| 19:11.04 | Daede | basically i want to track down the addon causing the error (not skg, it doesnt break for anybody else) |
| 19:11.19 | zenzelezz | one way or another it is SKG |
| 19:11.38 | zenzelezz | the circumstances that make it break for you could be different from other people |
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| 19:11.58 | Daede | what circumstances would those be? |
| 19:12.05 | zenzelezz | you say it happens when you log in, that would suggest it's trying to use data that is not yet available |
| 19:12.25 | Daede | but not for anyone else in the guild |
| 19:12.38 | Arrowmaster | did you update? |
| 19:12.47 | Daede | no, im an idiot, i didnt update |
| 19:12.55 | Arrowmaster | maybe its your saved vars |
| 19:13.24 | Daede | i'm gonna go check with norganna's people |
| 19:13.26 | Daede | thanks anyways |
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| 19:13.40 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:13.45 | nevcairiel | what an ass |
| 19:13.50 | zenzelezz | anyone know what SKG is anyway? |
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| 19:14.44 | nevcairiel | some loot distribution addon |
| 19:14.47 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowace.com/projects/skg/ |
| 19:17.43 | Aiiane | it's a suicide kings-type loot system addon |
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| 19:26.16 | Hirsute | ~seen tekkub |
| 19:26.17 | purl | tekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 10h 3m 43s ago, saying: 'Shirik sucks!'. |
| 19:26.26 | Shirik | die |
| 19:26.58 | Hirsute | Sorry Shirik. |
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| 19:27.17 | Shirik | :P |
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| 19:51.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know the details of the Achievement API? |
| 19:51.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Looking to pop up the notification that you just earned one |
| 19:52.57 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: /run AchievementAlertFrame_GetAlertFrame():Show() |
| 19:53.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Any idea how to set it to a specific achieve? |
| 19:53.45 | Gnarfoz | don't thinkt that's even possible |
| 19:53.55 | Gnarfoz | just remembered I saw something about that while browsing http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7080-FluidFrames.html#comments |
| 19:54.00 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 19:54.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It's absolutely impossible to recreate? :P |
| 19:54.11 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just a display, nothing more |
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| 19:56.40 | End-sleep | Its possible |
| 19:57.15 | End | it's like _ShowAlert or something like that |
| 19:57.24 | End | look in AlertUI.lua I think |
| 19:58.35 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:58.35 | ScytheBlade1 | if ( not frame ) then |
| 19:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | -- We ran out of frames! Bail! |
| 19:58.52 | End | hehe |
| 19:59.07 | End | changing the frame location is annoying btw |
| 19:59.16 | End | it "fixes" the frames every time the event fires |
| 19:59.26 | End | so you have to replace the fix function to move the alert |
| 19:59.31 | foxlit | Unhook their handler. |
| 19:59.36 | foxlit | And fire your own crap :) |
| 19:59.42 | End | sure |
| 19:59.47 | Gnarfoz | reading the fluidframes comments leads me to think you're moving the wrong frame, End |
| 19:59.47 | End | I'll reimplement all of it |
| 19:59.49 | End | that sounds like fun |
| 20:00.12 | End | well |
| 20:00.15 | foxlit | Real addon authors rewrite the client to do what they want it to, clearly. |
| 20:00.42 | End | it tries to parent against the loot frames if they are shown |
| 20:00.58 | End | so you could potentially get around by making them always shown or something? |
| 20:01.01 | End | other than that |
| 20:01.07 | End | you are asking me to move UIParent |
| 20:01.11 | End | since it parents directly to that |
| 20:01.23 | End | er |
| 20:01.30 | End | :SetPoints() directly to that I mean |
| 20:01.47 | End | also |
| 20:01.58 | End | neither fluidframes nor moveanything seemed to actually handle it properly |
| 20:02.26 | foxlit | While I'm in this mood: has anyone seen anything that'd show you the attack table of level X mobs versus you? |
| 20:02.46 | foxlit | i.e. actually compute the real effects of your defense/dodge/parry/block |
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| 20:03.38 | ScytheBlade1 | k wtf, AchievementShield_SetPoints is called via the UI but when I call it (via the func that calls it), it's nil |
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| 20:03.41 | ScytheBlade1 | What sorcery is this |
| 20:03.56 | End | load Blizzard_AchievementUI |
| 20:03.58 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: evil blizzard hax0rz in ur UI? |
| 20:04.06 | End | which is loaded when ACHIEVEMENT_EARNED is fired |
| 20:04.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It is loaded |
| 20:04.19 | End | so when you test it, it'll break...just load it before testing :P |
| 20:04.22 | End | erm |
| 20:04.24 | End | I dunno then |
| 20:04.31 | Gnarfoz | End: is that why the first achievement you get per session always "lags" a bit? ^^ |
| 20:04.36 | End | probably |
| 20:04.39 | ScytheBlade1 | The error is coming from that addon :P |
| 20:04.55 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.18 | End | hm |
| 20:05.25 | End | I don't remember exactly |
| 20:05.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh hmm that's the func |
| 20:05.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Weird how my grep pulled it up |
| 20:05.33 | ScytheBlade1 | *didn't pull it up |
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| 20:26.58 | foxlit | Hm, so, tanking question |
| 20:27.07 | foxlit | What exactly is this mystical "chance to miss" defense grants? |
| 20:27.28 | Gnarfoz | it pushes crits off the table :O |
| 20:28.09 | Gnarfoz | basically, it makes the enemy miss you more. |
| 20:28.13 | foxlit | No |
| 20:28.13 | Gnarfoz | (like it... says) |
| 20:28.19 | Gnarfoz | yes. |
| 20:28.20 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 20:28.21 | foxlit | Read what it says |
| 20:28.40 | foxlit | "Decreases chance to be hit AND critically hit by 5.64%" |
| 20:28.45 | Gnarfoz | I've tanked for enough time to throw out whatever insane arguments you're gonna produce :p |
| 20:28.59 | foxlit | What you're saying would be "Decreases chance to be critically hit by 5.64%" |
| 20:29.14 | Gnarfoz | what chance to *miss* are you talking about then? |
| 20:29.22 | foxlit | "Decreases chance to be hit" |
| 20:29.29 | Gnarfoz | (also, I wasn't being inclusive, it obviously does more than just make you immune to crits) |
| 20:29.30 | foxlit | == "Increases chance to be missed" |
| 20:29.31 | nevcairiel | foxlit: it does what it says, it makes mobs miss you more |
| 20:29.41 | Gnarfoz | like I just said! |
| 20:29.43 | Gnarfoz | *durrr* |
| 20:29.53 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: /pat |
| 20:29.56 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 20:30.01 | foxlit | nevcairiel: just generic "miss"? |
| 20:30.05 | nevcairiel | ya |
| 20:30.11 | Gnarfoz | still having breakfeast |
| 20:30.13 | nevcairiel | well defense also adds dodge and parry |
| 20:30.20 | Gnarfoz | a.k.a. *dispelling grumpiness* |
| 20:30.21 | Codayus | Also, adding miss is NOT the same thing as pushing crits off the table... |
| 20:30.31 | Gnarfoz | Codayus: wasn't trying to imply that. |
| 20:30.43 | Gnarfoz | I should learn to not IRC before eating. |
| 20:30.43 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 20:30.44 | foxlit | I think I'm okay as far as figuring out what it does to dodge/parry |
| 20:30.58 | foxlit | It's just the miss that I have no idea how to handle at the moment -- you have some base chance to be missed? |
| 20:31.05 | Codayus | Yes. |
| 20:31.13 | foxlit | Defense adds to that chance. Presumably, it is subject to diminishing returns. |
| 20:31.13 | Gnarfoz | 5% |
| 20:31.37 | Codayus | You have a chance to miss mobs. Mobs have a chance to miss you. The exact chance is based on the attackers hit, the defenders defense, and relative levels. |
| 20:31.47 | Codayus | What's hard to understand? :-) |
| 20:31.57 | Gnarfoz | you want to read the "Attack_table" page on wowwiki and Satrina's tanking pages for precise info about all this. :) |
| 20:32.15 | Gnarfoz | [[Attack Table]] |
| 20:32.18 | Gnarfoz | hmm. |
| 20:32.23 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: I probably do. However, it's very likely out of date. |
| 20:32.23 | Gnarfoz | that bot is not here, I guess. |
| 20:32.24 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 20:32.28 | kd3 | nope |
| 20:32.28 | foxlit | This isn't #wowwiki :) |
| 20:32.36 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: no, neither are, I think. |
| 20:32.54 | foxlit | The problem is, it paints a general picture, which I think I have covered. |
| 20:33.01 | foxlit | The question is how diminishing returns applies to it. |
| 20:33.02 | Gnarfoz | the only thing that really changed is 490 is now 540, and crushing blows are out of the picture |
| 20:33.11 | nevcairiel | i dont think miss has DR |
| 20:33.42 | Codayus | Miss does. |
| 20:33.44 | foxlit | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22to%20fix%20an%20issue%20with%20the%20diminishing%20returns%20formula%20we%20added%20for%20Dodge,%20Parry,%20and%20the%20enemy's%20chance%20to%20miss%20you.%22 |
| 20:33.54 | kd3 | blah. I've got 4 cores, banshee! use them all |
| 20:34.16 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: could've made that a letmegooglethatforyou.com link ;D |
| 20:34.16 | Codayus | However the forumula for miss DR is *NOT* known. In particular we don't know the cap, so we don't know how fast it diminishes. |
| 20:34.41 | kd3 | seriously? I'd have figured the ej junkies would've figured it out by now |
| 20:34.43 | foxlit | They clearly need to add target dummies that actually hit you. |
| 20:35.03 | Codayus | kd3: It's quite hard to test. And actually, tankspot.com is probably better than ej for this... |
| 20:35.08 | kd3 | the servants in blasted lands don't count? |
| 20:35.20 | foxlit | kd3: they have level issues |
| 20:35.22 | Gnarfoz | should probably be 83 for accurate numbers |
| 20:35.45 | Gnarfoz | also, if stuff is found about that at TS.com, it would probably show up soon on EJ, too anyway ^^ |
| 20:36.13 | Codayus | Yeah, but TS is where most of the number crunching seems to happen...and yeah, gets summarized over at EJ soon enough. |
| 20:36.24 | foxlit | Anyway. I can probably track that. |
| 20:36.36 | foxlit | Let's play the Chinese TV game with it :) |
| 20:37.38 | foxlit | How about block? |
| 20:37.52 | foxlit | Doesn't diminish and just eats a chunk of the hit table? |
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| 20:39.30 | mikma | huzzah for japanese |
| 20:39.47 | mikma | they have found a way to calculate the length of penis |
| 20:39.58 | mikma | http://kuvat2.iltasanomat.fi/iltasanomat/iDoc/1629625-miehenmittakaavasisa.jpg |
| 20:40.03 | mikma | there's the pattern :) |
| 20:40.26 | foxlit | It's missing () |
| 20:41.06 | mikma | shoesize + 3x nose lenght / weight * 35 |
| 20:41.08 | Corr-work | i don't think they're -necessary-, but they really should have been there |
| 20:41.26 | Corr-work | let's see, multiplication and division have priority, then it's left-to-right |
| 20:41.39 | nevcairiel | mikma: the size changes if i eat less? |
| 20:41.43 | Corr-work | so take the nose length, multiply by 3, divide by weight, multiply by 35, and add length of foot |
| 20:41.49 | foxlit | Of course, it really depends on the units |
| 20:42.02 | mikma | nevcairiel: most likely |
| 20:42.05 | foxlit | Length is clearly measured in distance per kilogram |
| 20:42.09 | Corr-work | this means your penis must be at LEAST as long as your foot. |
| 20:42.25 | NeoTron | it says shoe size, not length of foot |
| 20:42.30 | mikma | http://www.iltasanomat.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/uutinen.asp?id=1629625 <- examples down there, in finnish tho |
| 20:42.33 | NeoTron | if that is indeed how it is to be interpreted |
| 20:42.36 | Corr-work | it's just a picture of a footprint |
| 20:42.45 | nevcairiel | shoesize in what, inch? |
| 20:42.48 | mikma | kenkä = shoe, nenä = nose, paino = weight :) |
| 20:42.49 | Corr-work | if you want to get technical, footprint isn't a unit |
| 20:42.52 | foxlit | no, european sizes |
| 20:42.56 | Aiiane | you people are far too obsessed with penis sizes :P |
| 20:43.11 | nevcairiel | we're just bored |
| 20:43.24 | Corr-work | i'm amused by this formula is all |
| 20:43.27 | mikma | aiiane: no, japanese are |
| 20:43.30 | NeoTron | so they are clearly doing (shoe size + 3xnose)/weight * 35 :P |
| 20:43.35 | mikma | they have come up with that pattern :D |
| 20:43.37 | Corr-work | japanese people are into a lot of weird things |
| 20:44.15 | NeoTron | and the shoe size is european shoe sizes in that article |
| 20:44.17 | NeoTron | but yeah :P |
| 20:44.17 | nevcairiel | i dont think some "dynamic" thing like weight should be in there =P |
| 20:44.23 | Aiiane | but they also produce anime, so I'm willing to forgive a lot |
| 20:44.30 | Corr-work | i think serious anime would be better off without "fanservice", but clearly they don't. hell, it's a server-crashing EVENT over there if some anime shows a nipple. |
| 20:48.42 | kd3 | ah, hell |
| 20:48.51 | kd3 | I've filled up my nano alreadyy |
| 20:48.55 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt7aeNCqn5g |
| 20:48.59 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA_3JhkIcP0 |
| 20:50.07 | foxlit | Is CR_HIT_TAKEN_MELEE actually used? |
| 20:50.12 | foxlit | And, if so, what the heck is it? |
| 20:51.18 | Hirsute | Hey Tekkub: Did you mention that you had a LDB display addon? |
| 20:51.21 | Hirsute | Tekblocks, maybe? |
| 20:51.28 | Tekkub | da |
| 20:51.34 | Tekkub | unreleased |
| 20:51.40 | Tekkub | probably never will be |
| 20:51.50 | Hirsute | Ah, I was going to ask where I could find it. Can you recommend another one? |
| 20:51.53 | Tekkub | I don't feel like making a config panel for the block order |
| 20:52.07 | Tekkub | no, I've not used the others |
| 20:52.22 | Hirsute | Anyone else able to recommend a good LDB display addon? |
| 20:52.25 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute, there is a titan/fubar version of an LDB container |
| 20:52.32 | Thunder_Child | if you like that sort of thing |
| 20:52.38 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: Broker2Fubar? |
| 20:52.46 | Thunder_Child | no, i mean the container is a bar |
| 20:52.48 | Aiiane | I used fortress |
| 20:52.50 | Hirsute | Aaah. |
| 20:52.50 | Thunder_Child | along the top/bottom |
| 20:53.09 | Gnarfoz | titan itself IS a LDB container :p |
| 20:53.23 | Gnarfoz | *displayer is the correct term |
| 20:53.32 | NeoTron | Fortress, StatBlockCore, NinjaPanel, ButtonBin... err theer's some other panel I don't recall the name of |
| 20:53.33 | Gnarfoz | other bar-style ones are DockingStation and NinjaPanel |
| 20:53.35 | NeoTron | take your pick |
| 20:53.56 | Gnarfoz | all the ones NeoTron just mentioned are *not* "bar style fubar replacements", except ninjapanel :p |
| 20:53.56 | Hirsute | Right now I'm looking to preserve a functioning FuBar while moving over to LDB. So I'll be looking up bar style ones once I've got everything I need. Thanks for the recommendations, I'll look them up. |
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| 20:54.15 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: and of course ButtonBin which works perfectly as a bar replacement |
| 20:54.22 | Gnarfoz | it's not a bar. |
| 20:54.24 | Gnarfoz | stop saying it is |
| 20:54.25 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 20:54.26 | NeoTron | yes it is |
| 20:54.35 | Gnarfoz | it's a collection of bars |
| 20:54.37 | Gnarfoz | if anything |
| 20:54.40 | NeoTron | so is fubar |
| 20:54.41 | Hirsute | I'm actually right now looking for something I could run along with FuBar, I'll check some of those out. |
| 20:55.09 | Codayus | Fortress can be made to look a lot like FuBar as well, I believe. |
| 20:55.17 | Movix | hi, i do not understand what x value to set when callin f:SetPoint("TOP", x, y) because it does not affect the TOP position |
| 20:55.20 | Gnarfoz | any of those CAN with enough time invested |
| 20:55.23 | NeoTron | horizontal line of organized objects => bar |
| 20:55.31 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: ohhhh haha. |
| 20:55.41 | Hirsute | picoDPS works on one of my computers with Broker2Fubar, but not on the other, not sure why, so I was looking for an actual LDB displayer that I can test with to see if it's something weird in the Broker2Fubar voodoo. |
| 20:55.57 | Codayus | In Fortresses case, blocks stick together, jam a bunch in a horizontol row and your done. So time invested is, like, 20s if your needs are fairly simple. |
| 20:56.00 | NeoTron | tell me exactly what makes ButtonBin not being able to work as a bar (mind you it can be other things too, not saying it's strictly a bar) |
| 20:56.20 | Gnarfoz | you need 3 bins to reproduce anything similar to *one* fubar |
| 20:56.29 | Gnarfoz | it's quite obvious :( |
| 20:56.30 | Codayus | (If your needs aren't fairly simple, Fortress may not work, but FuBar may not work, so what?) |
| 20:56.39 | Hirsute | Of course, it could be a conflict with another addon, because Historian seems to have stopped recording my kills, too. |
| 20:56.49 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: ... so? |
| 20:56.53 | Codayus | Gnarfoz: That assumes you want plugins alligned left, center, and right, yes? What if you don't? :-) |
| 20:56.54 | NeoTron | FuBar isn't "the bar" |
| 20:56.58 | NeoTron | it's still a bar |
| 20:57.13 | Gnarfoz | actually, when you look at reality, fubar is "the bar" :p |
| 20:57.18 | NeoTron | center aligned stuff in fubar was always broken |
| 20:57.22 | Gnarfoz | lol? |
| 20:57.24 | Gnarfoz | since when. |
| 20:57.31 | NeoTron | it overlaps if the "sides" are too large |
| 20:57.35 | Gnarfoz | I've never had trouble with it *ever* from the start |
| 20:57.45 | Hirsute | I always had problems with Center alignment as well. |
| 20:58.00 | NeoTron | but regardless, if you're unable to place three things on the screen to get the same behavior you fail :P |
| 20:58.08 | Gnarfoz | probably removed jostlelib because it's "unorthodox" :p |
| 20:58.09 | Codayus | Pft, nobody actually uses center aligned. (Why yes, I am assuming everyone acts just like me. Why do you ask?) |
| 20:58.26 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: why would I when I can spare myself the trouble and use a displayer that does that out of the box? :p |
| 20:59.00 | NeoTron | seriously Gnarfoz I don't care that you feel that button bin failed you. Use whatever the heck you want to use |
| 20:59.10 | Gnarfoz | I don't say it did |
| 20:59.11 | Codayus | Ah, but Fubar can't allign things int 5 groups - left, center left, center, center right, and right. So FuBar won't work at all! OMG!one1! |
| 20:59.13 | Gnarfoz | and I didn't talk to YOU. |
| 20:59.23 | NeoTron | but don't go sprouting disinformation that buttonbin is not a bar display because it is |
| 20:59.29 | Gnarfoz | spouting |
| 20:59.35 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sprouting anything xD |
| 20:59.45 | Codayus | At least ButtonBin can be configured to work for my extremely arbitrary and unrealistic use case. :-( |
| 20:59.52 | NeoTron | I see your tendrils spreading |
| 21:00.35 | Gnarfoz | also, it should be pretty obvious to suggest bar style displayers to people looking for fubar replacement, not stuff that needs extra configuration to start being similar |
| 21:00.53 | Gnarfoz | I know you're all totally idealistic and LDB is the saviour of addons for 3 generations to come |
| 21:01.14 | Hirsute | Except that I actually want one that *isn't* like FuBar right now. *shrug* |
| 21:01.16 | Gnarfoz | doesn't mean SBC is a good replacement for someone using fubar :p |
| 21:01.16 | NeoTron | just because fubar is commonly used doesn't make its design decisions automatically the most correct |
| 21:01.25 | Gnarfoz | no, just wide-spread |
| 21:01.42 | Gnarfoz | (uh oh, pun. wide-spread bar displays) |
| 21:01.43 | Tekkub | Titan! *snicker* |
| 21:01.44 | NeoTron | so limiting "recommendations" to the two that are the most like fubar isn't necessarily productive |
| 21:01.52 | NeoTron | many much prefer the lego style setup for example |
| 21:01.56 | Gnarfoz | Tekkub: titan is actually > fubar these days, hmm? :X |
| 21:01.59 | Codayus | Gnarfoz: A small amount of configuration isn't a deal killer. And depending on how you use FuBar, various LDB displays ARE drop in replacements. |
| 21:02.10 | Tekkub | I didn't say that... but Titan does LDB |
| 21:02.15 | Tekkub | Fubar probably never will |
| 21:02.22 | Gnarfoz | it will when someone patches it to |
| 21:02.25 | Gnarfoz | heh ^^ |
| 21:02.25 | Tekkub | nativley, at least |
| 21:02.28 | foxlit | Hm, I want to hook this: |
| 21:02.28 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: you have to remember, I wrote ButtonBin as a replacement for MY use of fubar and it worked great as that even before the "center" option |
| 21:02.29 | foxlit | UIDropDownMenu_Initialize(self, PlayerStatFrameLeftDropDown_Initialize); |
| 21:02.41 | Corr-work | what's this LDB? |
| 21:02.42 | foxlit | i.e. actually hook Player..._Initialize |
| 21:02.48 | Gnarfoz | Corr-work: never heard of it |
| 21:02.55 | NeoTron | Tekkub: is it not true that titan does LDB sort of like FuBar2Broker does? |
| 21:03.02 | foxlit | I don't suppose hooking the global would be much use as the UIDropDown probably creates a local reference. |
| 21:03.07 | Tekkub | I have no idea how it does it |
| 21:03.08 | foxlit | Would it be horribly wrong to hook that? |
| 21:03.20 | Tekkub | I'm afraid to look at Titan's code... plus I don't really care :) |
| 21:03.24 | NeoTron | I don't know myself, just what I've read on IRC :P |
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| 21:17.32 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11940-WintergraspTimer.html#comments |
| 21:17.39 | mikma | god damnit |
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| 21:21.50 | Arrowmaster | what? |
| 21:22.02 | foxlit | localization |
| 21:22.05 | foxlit | welcome to Hell, mikma. |
| 21:22.09 | foxlit | We've been expecting you. |
| 21:22.38 | mikma | and the second comment |
| 21:22.47 | Tekkub | local WGMapName = select(1,GetMapInfo()) |
| 21:22.49 | mikma | checking the map every 10 seconds to see what's going on |
| 21:22.50 | Tekkub | PURE WIN |
| 21:22.54 | mikma | tekkub: pure win :D |
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| 21:24.16 | Olorin | Is it possible to put a dropdown menu list within a scrolling frame? |
| 21:24.39 | foxlit | http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7044/hitswz4.png << seen me around? |
| 21:28.54 | Tekkub | foxlit, http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3148745374/ |
| 21:29.03 | Tekkub | I want to add the other tables, that one's defenses |
| 21:29.19 | Tekkub | I don't like it being down in the stat summaries |
| 21:29.46 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/8255/85289452056ff17133e4c5ce9d939785.jpg |
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| 21:30.36 | foxlit | Tekkub: hm, interesting. Based on that, I don't think you've solved the mystery of miss chance :) |
| 21:31.03 | foxlit | I kind of like the stat displays. It integrates nicely with existing UI to the point of you not realizing it's an addon, and I can display detailed tooltips. |
| 21:31.10 | Tekkub | I have no idea how the attack tables work ^^ |
| 21:31.34 | foxlit | Ditto. Well, hurray for google. |
| 21:31.38 | Tekkub | I'm just spewing the data the game gives me, tweaked for lv+3 mobs, using other people's math |
| 21:32.02 | foxlit | DR? |
| 21:33.47 | Shirik | Hey, this reminds me of addon comments |
| 21:33.49 | Shirik | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/stupity.jpg |
| 21:33.55 | mikma | i don't actually get why would people want to know when wintergrasp starts if they already are in wintergrasp |
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| 21:34.55 | Codayus | Well, maybe...they've hidden the status frame whose name I can't recall that displays the timer in wintergrasp? :-) |
| 21:35.05 | Tekkub | mikma, it's not about that, it's about them HAVING the time to share |
| 21:35.28 | Tekkub | for the user, yea it's duplicate data |
| 21:36.58 | Codayus | That does make sense. |
| 21:37.04 | Arrowmaster | maybe that info is more accurate than the other one |
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| 21:42.14 | Tem|work | WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame? |
| 21:43.15 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 21:44.44 | foxlit | Hm, the Defensive Stance bonus for warriors is a % damage reduction |
| 21:45.35 | foxlit | Any way to get at that 10%/talented modifier? |
| 21:49.09 | Tekkub | AND DON"T COME BACK |
| 21:50.17 | Ycarene | I can do the splits too, look at meeee!!! :P |
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| 21:51.37 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 21:51.37 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 8813 minutes |
| 21:52.11 | foxlit | There's no way to get at the % damage reduction from abilities, is there? |
| 21:52.11 | Aiiane | Shirik, call off your bot :P |
| 21:52.12 | NeoTron | 8813 minutes is temporary? |
| 21:52.12 | Cairenn|afk | heh., stupid net split |
| 21:52.12 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron, thats how long since it was locked |
| 21:52.12 | Thunder_Child | last locked* |
| 21:52.12 | Shirik | I thought I fixed that |
| 21:52.12 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Actually probably since he restarted :) |
| 21:52.12 | Shirik | !quit |
| 21:52.12 | Thunder_Child | he? |
| 21:52.13 | Shirik | it? |
| 21:52.13 | Shirik | whatever |
| 21:52.13 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-rr] by Shirik |
| 21:52.13 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-rRf] by Shirik |
| 21:52.13 | Olorin | Cairenn ok if I PM about m forum user account please? |
| 21:52.13 | foxlit | "they" |
| 21:52.30 | Shirik | It was Gnarfoz's fault |
| 21:52.47 | Shirik | I'm still trying to figure out why |
| 21:53.04 | Aiiane | the why doesnt matter |
| 21:53.37 | Shirik | Yes it does, I need to fix it! |
| 21:53.37 | Cairenn|afk | Olorin: certainly |
| 21:53.37 | Aiiane | oh, i just meant the 'why it was Gnarfoz's fault' |
| 21:53.37 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/11224/085c769f7705fdb219d111f5cad6541c.png |
| 21:54.24 | Shirik | Nechckn, Kody-, Anaral, and Gnarfoz combined to cause the lock and I don't know why :( |
| 21:54.36 | Shirik | everyone else was detected as a netsplit |
| 21:54.36 | Aiiane | lol POGs |
| 21:54.49 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, some auto-rejoin command? |
| 21:55.07 | Shirik | omg I remember pogs! |
| 21:55.17 | Shirik | I was really bad |
| 21:55.25 | Shirik | I would always hit the middle |
| 21:55.35 | Thunder_Child | i was rather good to the disgust of my friends |
| 21:56.01 | Shirik | thundercats was the shit though |
| 21:56.22 | Tekkub | I always liked tailspin, for obvious reasons |
| 21:56.29 | Shirik | heh |
| 21:56.56 | Thunder_Child | "notice from tomaw: [Global Notice] Hi all. Our EU to US connectively dropped for a moment there generating a rather messy split. From what we can tell it seems to be resolved so sorry for the noise and thanks for using freenode!" |
| 21:57.16 | Thunder_Child | there should be an EU to US split damit! |
| 21:58.15 | Aiiane | there is, it's called the atlantic |
| 21:58.28 | Tekkub | it's not enough |
| 21:58.33 | Thunder_Child | it's not big enough |
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| 21:59.44 | Shirik | here |
| 21:59.53 | Shirik | Maybe you all want to look at my code and see why they weren't detected in the netsplit |
| 22:00.19 | Shirik | I don't see anything wrong http://wowi.pastey.net/105237 |
| 22:01.09 | Shirik | I expect those 4 people to be caught by the block that says "For anyone that joined..." |
| 22:01.45 | Thunder_Child | but someone did join during the netsplit |
| 22:01.54 | Thunder_Child | and isnt one of the people you named |
| 22:02.05 | Shirik | right |
| 22:02.07 | Shirik | but ok, let me show you teh log |
| 22:04.10 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/105238 That's part of the log (Igore the errors, those are intentional) |
| 22:04.42 | Shirik | So the fact that we picked up a netsplit before we started charging for joins should cause them to be picked up by that last block at line |
| 22:04.51 | Shirik | line 34 |
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| 22:07.11 | Thunder_Child | how did one person create a score of 30? |
| 22:07.13 | Tem|work | bot written in lua |
| 22:07.16 | Tem|work | :) |
| 22:07.30 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: There's a few before that were picked up |
| 22:07.37 | Shirik | it's also not a linear function |
| 22:07.43 | kd3 | sigh |
| 22:09.22 | Shirik | I did, however, just realize something |
| 22:09.27 | Shirik | everyone it picked up is also in #norganna |
| 22:09.31 | Shirik | which is another channel Shiibot is watching |
| 22:10.15 | kd3 | so it's putting bonus points on cross-channel join-spam? |
| 22:10.42 | Shirik | It's not any bonus points, it's that it's not ignoring the netsplit |
| 22:10.48 | Shirik | like it's not detecting that it's a netsplit |
| 22:11.01 | Shirik | Everyone got detected as a netsplit except those people that are in multiple channels that are watched |
| 22:11.40 | Aiiane | how far apart was the join to one channel vs the other? |
| 22:11.50 | Shirik | I can't tell |
| 22:11.53 | Aiiane | (i.e. was there more than a 5 second delay between joining one and the other) |
| 22:13.14 | Shirik | wow, according to this client it looks like there was almost a minute delay |
| 22:13.25 | Shirik | I expected it to be near simultaneous |
| 22:14.14 | Aiiane | I'd use separate delays, one for general netsplit period |
| 22:14.23 | Aiiane | and another for individual users that d/c'd as part of a netsplit |
| 22:14.29 | Aiiane | the latter being a lot longer than the former |
| 22:14.56 | Shirik | yeah I just did that |
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| 22:16.29 | Shirik | I also added an extra component |
| 22:16.44 | Shirik | that even if the delay has passed, if others are still being detected as a netsplit, then that person will be too |
| 22:18.43 | Thunder_Child | sooooo....knock out a hub just to spam a channel....got it |
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| 22:23.54 | Tem|work | kd3: ping |
| 22:24.08 | kd3 | pong |
| 22:24.17 | Tem|work | you raid as a mage, right? |
| 22:24.29 | kd3 | ya. though I haven't raided much at 80 |
| 22:24.32 | Tem|work | good, you're likely to know the mechanics here |
| 22:24.43 | Tem|work | Spells |
| 22:24.49 | Tem|work | 2 roll system, right? |
| 22:25.00 | Tem|work | first roll for resist |
| 22:25.09 | Tem|work | second roll for "combat table" style |
| 22:25.15 | kd3 | that's current thinking |
| 22:25.26 | Tem|work | so |
| 22:25.40 | Tem|work | here's my real question |
| 22:25.47 | Tem|work | why do people value hit over crit? |
| 22:25.48 | zenzelezz | 42 |
| 22:26.06 | kd3 | what good does a crit do if you can't even land it? |
| 22:26.23 | Tem|work | because crit is rolled at the same time as hit |
| 22:26.30 | zenzelezz | Tem critically missed kd3! |
| 22:26.39 | Tem|work | you can't miss a crit |
| 22:26.49 | Tem|work | at least that's my understanding |
| 22:26.59 | kd3 | what was the quote? "x% crit rate includes misses"? |
| 22:27.26 | pastamancer | I'd imagine that crit pushes hits off the table, bit hit pushes misses off the table |
| 22:27.56 | kd3 | the way I understand it, hit rolls first, then comes crit/resist |
| 22:27.57 | AnduinLothar | except no one's every gonna have enough crit to push hit off |
| 22:28.05 | kd3 | and ^ |
| 22:28.15 | kd3 | the melee attack table's different |
| 22:28.28 | kd3 | you can push hit off its table because there's way more end results than there are for spells |
| 22:28.37 | Tem|work | right |
| 22:28.43 | Tem|work | but so my question stands |
| 22:28.57 | Tem|work | especially for spells that do more than 2x damage on a crit |
| 22:29.18 | kd3 | even specced frostfire I still value hit over crit |
| 22:29.30 | kd3 | because shatter+ignite damage doesn't make up for the last spell I just missed |
| 22:29.37 | Tem|work | does ffb ignite and shards? |
| 22:29.38 | kd3 | over the course of a fight, that is |
| 22:30.00 | kd3 | yes. it's 200% damage, plus the 2 ignite ticks |
| 22:30.08 | Tem|work | maybe an example would be better |
| 22:30.15 | Tem|work | attack table of 1-100 |
| 22:30.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It crits really really hard |
| 22:30.34 | Shirik | I know something else that crits really hard |
| 22:30.36 | Tem|work | lets say rolls of 84-100 are misses |
| 22:30.50 | Tem|work | and everything else is a hit |
| 22:31.04 | Tem|work | after 100 casts, you would expect ~84 hits |
| 22:31.18 | kd3 | so you roll a 75. it'll then roll again for crit. the result of that second roll determines whether you crit or hit |
| 22:31.28 | Shirik | Tem|work: On average, 84 hits |
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| 22:31.36 | kd3 | other factors come in to play, like elemental resistance, but that's not important for most fights |
| 22:31.36 | Shirik | if it was always 84 hits it wouldn't be very random, now would it? |
| 22:31.37 | Tem|work | that's not what you told me a minute ago! |
| 22:32.06 | kd3 | it should be... |
| 22:32.15 | Tem|work | roll for hit and then roll for crit would make it a 3 roll system |
| 22:32.24 | Tem|work | resist, hit, crit |
| 22:32.59 | Tem|work | so if you hit 84 times, you'd get 84xspelldamage damage |
| 22:33.13 | Tem|work | if you added 1 hit, you would expect 85 hits |
| 22:33.22 | kd3 | if you've got 0 crit rate and the mob's got 0 resistance. yes |
| 22:33.28 | Tem|work | but if you add 1 crit, you get MORE than 85xspelldamage |
| 22:33.49 | Tem|work | (for a spell that does more than 2x damage on crit) |
| 22:34.18 | Tem|work | (83 hits 1 crit) |
| 22:34.28 | foxlit | Okay, actual useful stuff done |
| 22:34.34 | kd3 | which is why there's been talk lately of valuing crit more than hit for frostfire specs, but I don't buy it |
| 22:34.48 | kd3 | the gearing situation we have right now is playing into that |
| 22:35.00 | foxlit | I could release this now, or incorporate an entirely over-complicated way to get a better DR approximation |
| 22:35.17 | Tem|work | foxlit: what are you working on? |
| 22:35.55 | Tem|work | kd3: so, do you know if my mental model of spell mechanics is right? |
| 22:36.10 | foxlit | Tem|work: http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7044/hitswz4.png |
| 22:36.37 | Tem|work | cool! |
| 22:36.52 | Tem|work | do we know what the DR rate and caps are for miss? |
| 22:37.20 | Tem|work | that's the only stat you'd need to calculate the DR for |
| 22:37.34 | kd3 | just remember that total hit chance is a function of your hit chance... so if you have 30% crit but only 83% hit, that's only a 24.9% overall crit chance |
| 22:37.40 | kd3 | s/total hit/total crit/ |
| 22:37.57 | kd3 | which is why I still value hit more than crit |
| 22:38.08 | Tem|work | kd3: ah, then that means my model is wrong |
| 22:38.11 | foxlit | Tem|work: dodge and parry diminish, but those are known |
| 22:38.30 | Tem|work | foxlit: right, but the paperdollframe does that calc for you |
| 22:38.36 | foxlit | No, it does not |
| 22:38.45 | Tem|work | the displayed dodge/parry rates are AFTER dr |
| 22:38.51 | Tem|work | how do you think we came up with them? |
| 22:39.04 | foxlit | Meh, so what the heck am I doing :) |
| 22:39.25 | kd3 | as far as I know, what we've got on the wiki for [[Spell hit]] is mostly right. still need to check ej because I'm sure something's changed post-3.0 that we haven't added yet |
| 22:39.26 | foxlit | So why the (Before diminishing returns) disclaimers on those paperdoll entries? |
| 22:39.59 | Tem|work | the toolips show how much your dodge and parry ratings add to your base dodge/parry |
| 22:40.02 | Tem|work | Before DR |
| 22:40.47 | foxlit | So this is almost entirely useless. Fun :) |
| 22:41.10 | Tem|work | no? |
| 22:41.15 | Tem|work | the hit table stuff is cool |
| 22:41.28 | foxlit | It's also trivial :) |
| 22:41.36 | Tem|work | really? |
| 22:41.43 | Tem|work | the ui is never trivial for me |
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| 22:43.13 | foxlit | "Tem|work: how do you think we came up with them?" << personally, I thought someone tracked a whole lot of combat logs |
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| 22:44.51 | Tem|work | eek no |
| 22:45.02 | devZero | did they remove a bunch of filters from DevTools dtevents? |
| 22:45.09 | devZero | I only see about 8 filters there |
| 22:45.40 | foxlit | Tem|work: it's an entirely valid approach, if only requiring a certain amount of competence and persistence :) |
| 22:46.50 | mikma | ROFL!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtbq_pT09EE |
| 22:47.41 | mikma | there's something you won't expect |
| 22:48.00 | devZero | heh, nvm.. seems they only start to populate once an event has occured |
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| 22:51.41 | sylvanaar | Tem where do you get the first roll is resist, or did you already figure out it wasnt |
| 22:52.56 | sylvanaar | hit influences roll 1, spell pen roll 2 |
| 22:54.51 | Flame_1234 | anyone have any experience querying the AH ? I am getting "Can't send query just at the moment" errors when trying to loop over a bunch of specific queries |
| 22:55.45 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2008/12/60000_piece_lego_hoth_battle_d.php |
| 22:56.14 | Flame_1234 | damn, that's a LOT of white lego |
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| 22:57.52 | foxlit | event:sub(1,6) ~= "SWING_" or event:match("^SWING") ? |
| 22:58.04 | foxlit | s/or/or not/ |
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| 22:59.41 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2008/12/stupid_idiots_name_son_adolph.php |
| 23:01.08 | mikma | tekkub: http://www.dapperstache.com/ptoa/tblofawesome.jpg |
| 23:01.36 | Tekkub | hehe |
| 23:01.42 | Tekkub | beer needs to go though |
| 23:02.13 | Tekkub | Trebuchets! |
| 23:02.18 | Tekkub | Trey wants to build one |
| 23:02.55 | Tekkub | william shatner? people smoking shit |
| 23:03.02 | foxlit | does incremental garbage collection occur in combat? |
| 23:03.03 | mikma | tekkub: there's one for you in there, nr.66, pink one |
| 23:03.18 | mikma | tekkub: also nr.1 :D |
| 23:03.19 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 23:03.25 | Tekkub | yea 1 is the best |
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| 23:05.21 | JamesJr | I am so sorry for such a stupid question, but where is the WOW folder? |
| 23:06.06 | zenzelezz | on which OS? |
| 23:06.37 | JamesJr | Windows. If Its the c>>program files>>world of warcraft then that cant be right, the folder is not even 1gb |
| 23:06.55 | Tekkub | right click your shortcut and go to properties |
| 23:06.56 | zenzelezz | Vista? |
| 23:06.58 | End | vista? |
| 23:07.03 | Olorin | JamesJr if you do rightclcik the icon then do properties it will tell you what folder its executing it from |
| 23:07.10 | End | try users/public |
| 23:07.39 | JamesJr | Thank you. It was in the public folder. |
| 23:07.51 | JamesJr | I do appreciate your assistance. |
| 23:09.35 | devZero | anyone know what the args from CHAT_MSG_OPENING are? wowwiki doesn't seem to have that event, and it shows ~ 11 args being passed |
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| 23:14.59 | foxlit | Need to get the math-processing part of my brain fixed :/ |
| 23:15.56 | foxlit | Suppose that out of 20 swings, 2 missed me. Suppose also that because of a level difference, my "to be missed" chance is 0.20% lower than it should be. |
| 23:16.41 | foxlit | I need to adjust those miss/swing counts by that chance reduction somehow |
| 23:16.49 | sacarasc | i'd say you'd need a bigger sample size ;p |
| 23:17.16 | foxlit | Obviously :) |
| 23:17.34 | foxlit | But the problem is, mobs don't generally live long enough, so I'd want to aggregate over multiple ones. |
| 23:18.10 | foxlit | Level figures into the equation, so I'd like to baseline intermediate figures to as if they were recorded against mobs of my level. |
| 23:19.20 | foxlit | Thoughts? |
| 23:20.02 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, don't even try. Record each pair of mylevel/moblevel separately, and aggregate statistics from there. |
| 23:20.25 | foxlit | I think I might be able to get away with multiplying total number of swings by 0.9980, but some warning lights about inverse fractions are blinking. |
| 23:20.31 | Tekkub | agreed, store by level diff |
| 23:20.35 | ZorbaTHut | after you've gathered a lot of data of that sort, *then* sit down with it and see if you actually believe you can artificially "baseline" it, or even if you need to |
| 23:20.40 | Codayus | I'm not sure the level numberis actually known. Most testing has been purely on boss level mobs. Current thinking is that the first 2 level differeces are 0.5% each, and the 3rd level is 3%. |
| 23:20.50 | ZorbaTHut | I wouldn't even store by level diff myself, I'd store by pair of playerlevel/enemylevel. |
| 23:20.57 | foxlit | Codayus: the other hit |
| 23:20.58 | ZorbaTHut | basically: when you're gather data, store facts, not inferences. |
| 23:21.08 | ZorbaTHut | you can always infer later. you can't "re-fact" later. |
| 23:21.11 | Codayus | Oh, mob to player? |
| 23:21.11 | ZorbaTHut | *you're gathering |
| 23:21.14 | Tekkub | you'll also have to watch for buffs/debuffs and gear changes that change the rate |
| 23:21.17 | foxlit | Indeed. |
| 23:21.28 | Tekkub | unless you just care about the overall average |
| 23:22.01 | ZorbaTHut | Yeah. Depending on what you want to gather, it might be a good idea to store everything on the key Playerlevel/Moblevel/Buffdebufflist/Equippeditemslist/Talentspec/Class |
| 23:22.11 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, again, you can always throw stuff away later if you decide it's unimportant. |
| 23:22.18 | ZorbaTHut | and none of those are really hard to gather. |
| 23:22.22 | foxlit | I don't intend getting data back. |
| 23:22.49 | ZorbaTHut | whereas realizing later "oh shit, half of these monsters had a miss% debuff that I forgot to account for" is going to just destroy your data set. |
| 23:22.50 | foxlit | s/nd/nd on/ |
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| 23:23.17 | Tekkub | in summary, there's a shitload of data you need, you're insane |
| 23:23.31 | ZorbaTHut | in summary, there's a shitload of data you need, don't underestimate it, but it's not actually all that hard. ;) |
| 23:25.03 | foxlit | I don't _want_ to neither store nor process any more data than is required to do this reasonably well. I'm also assuming that the model is correct, and I'm only estimating a constant. |
| 23:25.26 | ZorbaTHut | well, what are you trying to determine? |
| 23:25.56 | foxlit | Ratio between missed and landed mob swings. |
| 23:26.10 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* just count 'em then. |
| 23:26.37 | foxlit | Only level 80 mobs are straight forward. |
| 23:26.42 | ZorbaTHut | although, since you're mentioning adjusting for relative levels, I'm thinking you actualy want to determine something significantly more complicated |
| 23:26.59 | foxlit | If I were to limit it to them alone, getting enough data might become trickier. |
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| 23:27.03 | ZorbaTHut | no, all mobs are straight forward. you just count 'em. if they miss 100 times and land 900 times, the ratio is 1:9. |
| 23:27.19 | Codayus | I'd def track that for each combination of target levels then. The entire reason to record this is you don't know what miss rates are; you need to know miss rates before you can weight levels accurately... |
| 23:27.29 | ZorbaTHut | if that isn't the number you want, then you're trying to determine something more complicated, and I'm curious what that is :P |
| 23:27.40 | foxlit | Codayus: I know what the effect of level on miss chance is, however :) |
| 23:28.18 | Aiiane | foxlit: so? if all you actually care about is miss chance, full stop, then you don't need to know what the effect of level is |
| 23:28.25 | Codayus | Well, just take the base miss chance, add the level effect, and there's your answer. No data recording needed. What are you trying to FIND? |
| 23:28.43 | Codayus | Base miss chance? Actual miss chance? |
| 23:29.13 | foxlit | The component of miss chance that's neither base nor level-based. |
| 23:29.37 | Aiiane | ok then, see, that's not "the ratio of missed and landed mob swings" |
| 23:29.52 | Aiiane | that's "the component of missed mob swings which is not due to level or base" |
| 23:30.15 | Codayus | So in particular...what, find the effects of defense? |
| 23:30.41 | foxlit | Actually, if you interpret the ratio to mean the actual miss chance, they're linearly dependent, so it's equivalent. |
| 23:31.05 | foxlit | It's just that your actual chance to be missed changes depending on what the level of the mob attacking you is :) |
| 23:31.26 | cbreak | it also changes with your position relative to the mob in some cases |
| 23:31.37 | cbreak | depending on the definition of miss you use |
| 23:31.42 | Codayus | Note that the current model of how miss works is currently not coherent, since it should be 9% for 2H white damage, but testing indicates it's 8% (on boss level mobs). So it seems there's something not known... |
| 23:31.48 | foxlit | actual misses, not dodge/parry/block |
| 23:32.02 | Aiiane | foxlit: "its just" doesnt fly here, because it affects the data you need to collect |
| 23:32.25 | foxlit | Aiiane: which I think I've told you to begin with. Hence normalizing it :) |
| 23:33.06 | Aiiane | well, better would be to start out trying to eliminate the extra variable :P |
| 23:33.12 | foxlit | Codayus: again, different hit :) |
| 23:33.19 | Codayus | Is it? Why? |
| 23:33.25 | Codayus | That's a huge assumption. |
| 23:33.56 | Aiiane | ideally you'd start out with a fixed-level mob |
| 23:34.17 | Codayus | But if you really do think you know the impact of levels, then it seems simple. |
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| 23:53.33 | Shirik | My dogs are so bad |
| 23:54.05 | Shirik | We go to pick them up, and they see me so start getting all hyper, etc. The guy goes to let them out and they get around him, run to the door, and one of them starts pawing at the door handle and opens it up |
| 23:54.11 | Shirik | apparently he's figured out how to get out |
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| 23:55.52 | Wobin | http://www.cs.elte.hu/~ewkiss/education.html |
| 23:56.48 | zenzelezz | stupid videolan website :-/ |
| 23:57.38 | Shirik | yeah Wobin |
| 23:57.40 | Shirik | that scares me |
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