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| 00:16.47 | Wobin | zomg, a toon named nimbia |
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| 00:21.19 | Tem|laptop | amazing |
| 00:21.21 | Tem|laptop | I have internet |
| 00:23.30 | mikma | anyone knows what's the SetCVar for displaying Lua errors? |
| 00:23.59 | Tem|laptop | scriptErrors |
| 00:24.03 | Tem|laptop | (guess) |
| 00:25.01 | mikma | tem|laptop: correct! thanks :) |
| 00:27.29 | mikma | heh, a good way of displaying errors: |
| 00:28.07 | mikma | local status = GetCVar("scriptErrors"); SetCVar("scriptErrors",1) message("ERROR LOLOLOO"); SetCVar("scriptErrors",status) |
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| 00:31.39 | Tem|laptop | so |
| 00:31.45 | Tem|laptop | I'm going to take a plunge |
| 00:32.22 | Tem|laptop | and attempt to install wow in linux |
| 00:33.39 | Kaso | Last time i tried it was as easy as doing it in windows |
| 00:33.47 | Kaso | effortless and easy |
| 00:34.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ... but you said as easy as windows... |
| 00:36.23 | Tem|laptop | I don't have any media here, though |
| 00:36.24 | Tem|laptop | nothing |
| 00:36.30 | mikma | which event fires *LAST* when you login? |
| 00:36.35 | Tem|laptop | so I'll be doing a web install |
| 00:36.43 | Tem|laptop | mikma, PLAYER_LOGOUT |
| 00:36.52 | mikma | tem|laptop: login? |
| 00:37.00 | Tem|laptop | no, I meant logout |
| 00:37.08 | Tem|laptop | though a few things may happen after that, too |
| 00:37.14 | Tem|laptop | like PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD |
| 00:37.17 | NightHawkTheSane | no, mikma meant login :p |
| 00:37.21 | Tem|laptop | I know what he meant |
| 00:37.36 | mikma | then why did you say logout? :I |
| 00:37.43 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, so you're just being pedantic? :p |
| 00:37.48 | Tem|laptop | exactly :) |
| 00:38.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ~Tem++ |
| 00:38.27 | mikma | i need to find a way when the game has joined the chat channels :I |
| 00:38.41 | mikma | otherwise my addon will overwrite channel nr.1 in every login |
| 00:38.47 | Tem|laptop | hrm |
| 00:38.51 | Tem|laptop | how am I going to get the client |
| 00:38.59 | Tem|laptop | do I download the PC installer and run it in wine? |
| 00:39.02 | NightHawkTheSane | can you not download it, tem? |
| 00:39.09 | NightHawkTheSane | probably, yes |
| 00:39.39 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_NOTICE should fire when you login and hte game "joins" you to the chat channels you're in |
| 00:39.57 | NightHawkTheSane | one for each channel i believe, check wowprogramming.com |
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| 00:40.30 | mikma | yeah i did, but it fires multiple times at the login and i can't use it then |
| 00:40.50 | mikma | i'll just install devtools and see what's the last event in login |
| 00:40.57 | NightHawkTheSane | thats probably the best your going to get *shrug* |
| 00:41.32 | Tem|laptop | it's possible that you aren't in any chat channels |
| 00:41.34 | Tem|laptop | so that's not reliable |
| 00:41.43 | mikma | aye |
| 00:42.07 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're not in any channels.. then it's a non-issue for mikma's purposes i think? |
| 00:42.52 | Industrial | wtb fun shooter |
| 00:42.56 | Industrial | fallout3 sucked |
| 00:43.16 | Tem|laptop | I'm very deep into the land of nubness on this |
| 00:43.23 | Tem|laptop | expect frequent and silly questions |
| 00:43.30 | Industrial | shoot! |
| 00:43.41 | Tem|laptop | Industrial, fallout3 is not a shooter |
| 00:44.02 | Industrial | why then am i being shot at and am I holding a gun most of the time |
| 00:44.42 | Tem|laptop | YO DAWG I HERD YOU LIEK GAMES THAT ARENT GAMES SO WE PUT A NOT-SHOOTER IN YOUR NOT-RPG SO YOU CAN FUNFAIL WHILE YOU FUNFAIL |
| 00:44.53 | Industrial | rofl |
| 00:45.39 | mikma | damnit, devtools won't fire early enough :D |
| 00:46.27 | Industrial | yeah so "heres a gun but you suck at shooting (youll get better!), try and hit enemies in packs of 6 and oh you die reeeel quick yourself" <-- fallout 3, or what I got to see of it after having ran around for a few hours, talking to stupid npc's for story etc. |
| 00:46.34 | mikma | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_loading_process <- i hope this one is correct |
| 00:47.24 | mikma | well apparently it's PEW. fine :I |
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| 00:47.53 | Tem|laptop | mikma, PLAYER_LOGIN is semantically equal to PEW during the login process |
| 00:48.13 | mikma | yeah |
| 00:48.18 | Tem|laptop | so if PEW fires during login, it means that PL either JUST fired or is next |
| 00:48.35 | Tem|laptop | there shouldn't even be an OnUpdate in between them |
| 00:48.47 | mikma | i guess i'll use PEW to set 10sec timer.. that'll make sure that all the normal channels have been joined before my addon tries to join the channel |
| 00:48.53 | Thunder_Child | no Industrial, we do not need one |
| 00:49.05 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 00:49.06 | purl | Thunder_Child, you Fail! |
| 00:49.59 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: WTB, not wts. |
| 00:50.03 | Industrial | also, Tem|laptop, http://starbucks.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/4d/4d74d34e2e65bbc5896041e6d67040f3faf79e94.jpg |
| 00:50.37 | Thunder_Child | Industrial, i was scrolled up :( |
| 00:50.56 | Thunder_Child | SOMEONE was reading my IRC and forgot to scroll down |
| 00:51.34 | MentalPower | oh god... |
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| 00:52.37 | Industrial | MentalPower: and then the obligatory http://macrochan.org/get.py?sha1=B2QNBR7I5ZIWCV6KU3UBHITX56QRMMDW |
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| 00:53.42 | MentalPower | nice |
| 00:53.43 | Tem|laptop | :) |
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| 01:02.05 | Tem|laptop | fail |
| 01:02.12 | Tem|laptop | I started the downloader |
| 01:02.21 | Tem|laptop | ~12 seconds later, it crashed |
| 01:02.55 | Tem|laptop | oh actually |
| 01:02.57 | Tem|laptop | it didn't crash |
| 01:03.07 | Tem|laptop | it just spit up a little |
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| 01:56.59 | squidbear | Hello |
| 02:00.05 | Thunder_Child | hello squidbear |
| 02:03.41 | squidbear | Thunder_Child, I'm trying to get a texture to display in my addon, but it isn't showing up; I can't figure out the problem. :( |
| 02:04.06 | Thunder_Child | have you looked at the error logs? |
| 02:04.55 | squidbear | You mean like World of Warcraft/Errors/ ? |
| 02:05.13 | Shirik | is it showing up green, squidbear? |
| 02:05.18 | squidbear | Nope. |
| 02:05.23 | Shirik | it's not showing up at all? |
| 02:05.29 | squidbear | Not showing at all. It works when I use a Blizzard texture though |
| 02:05.43 | squidbear | I tried copying the texture of a different addon that i know works |
| 02:06.01 | Shirik | then your code is wrong |
| 02:06.38 | squidbear | When I use SetTexture("Interface/DialogFrame/UI-DialogBox-Background.blp") it works fine |
| 02:07.04 | squidbear | But if I do something like SetTexture("Interface/AddOns/HelloWorld/Textures/UI-DialogBox-Border.blp") it doesn't. |
| 02:07.50 | Shirik | I assume you copied it to the Interface/AddOns/HelloWorld/Textures folder |
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| 02:08.12 | Shirik | Have you completely exited WoW since then? |
| 02:08.31 | squidbear | Hmm...can't remember. Let me try. |
| 02:08.40 | squidbear | I may have just reloaded UI |
| 02:08.45 | Shirik | that would be bad |
| 02:08.55 | Shirik | New files will not be noticed until the game restarts |
| 02:09.26 | squidbear | Just tried restarting. The texture still does not show. |
| 02:09.47 | squidbear | Want me to post my code? |
| 02:10.07 | Shirik | why are you using a BLP? |
| 02:10.12 | Shirik | or is that copied from a Blizzard file? |
| 02:10.22 | squidbear | I just copied it from the Blizzard art to test. |
| 02:10.32 | squidbear | (TGA files weren't working either.) |
| 02:10.34 | Shirik | sure paste your code |
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| 02:10.42 | Thunder_Child | pasty |
| 02:10.46 | Shirik | the fact that it is not green is of significance |
| 02:11.01 | Shirik | it means it is not the file at fault |
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| 02:12.24 | squidbear | http://pastebin.com/d565bb5d9 |
| 02:12.58 | Thunder_Child | or that someone doesnt like green as much as you Shirik |
| 02:13.15 | Shirik | ok, no offense, but I refuse to read pastebin.com, the colors they choose make me go blind |
| 02:13.20 | Shirik | try pastey.net |
| 02:13.30 | squidbear | Um...ok |
| 02:13.37 | Shirik | just to double check, there's no space in Hello World on your drive, right? |
| 02:13.45 | Shirik | stupid things, but just checking |
| 02:13.52 | squidbear | There's no submit button on pastey.net ... |
| 02:13.58 | squidbear | Or I'm blind. |
| 02:14.05 | squidbear | But I don't see one. |
| 02:14.21 | Shirik | "paste" |
| 02:14.25 | Shirik | bottom left of the box |
| 02:14.27 | squidbear | Shirik: correct |
| 02:14.37 | squidbear | Oh I see. Blends in with the textboxes |
| 02:14.59 | squidbear | http://pastey.net/105031 |
| 02:15.05 | Gnarfoz | your code... well |
| 02:15.19 | Gnarfoz | don't you have to put that texture onto a frame? |
| 02:15.20 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 02:15.28 | squidbear | f is a frame |
| 02:15.31 | Shirik | what's "f"? |
| 02:15.33 | Shirik | ok |
| 02:15.50 | Shirik | you did f:Show() I assume |
| 02:16.14 | squidbear | Yes, the frame is showing. |
| 02:16.35 | squidbear | Just not the texture layer |
| 02:17.17 | Fisker- | it's me Shirik |
| 02:18.14 | Shirik | what OS are you on? |
| 02:18.27 | squidbear | Windows unfortunately |
| 02:18.31 | Shirik | version |
| 02:18.33 | squidbear | XP specifically |
| 02:18.51 | Thunder_Child | "Are you there Shirik, it's me Fisker-" |
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| 02:19.22 | Gnarfoz | (shouldn't the paths be \\balh\\blah\\blah anyway? and shouldn't .blp be left out?) |
| 02:19.51 | Iriel | Shirik is a myth, like santa |
| 02:19.56 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:20.19 | Shirik | I don't know Gnarfoz, I don't do enough work with textures, that's Cidan's job |
| 02:20.40 | squidbear | Gnarfoz, I can try that, but it seems to work several different ways while using the Blizzard textures (in their original folder). |
| 02:20.42 | Iriel | The suffix is optional |
| 02:20.54 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, except people *want* to see santa |
| 02:20.57 | squidbear | texture:SetTexture("Interface\\AddOns\\HelloWorld\\Textures\\UI-DialogBox-Background"); |
| 02:20.58 | squidbear | Like that? |
| 02:21.02 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:21.06 | Shirik | mean Thunder_Child |
| 02:21.06 | Iriel | I /think/ slash works all (most?) of the time instead of bacslash, though backslash is 'convention' so you should probably do that |
| 02:21.10 | Iriel | squidbear: exactly |
| 02:21.39 | squidbear | >_>; Iriel is Christmas angel? :o |
| 02:21.43 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: I see enough people on the channel wanting to see Shirik, I dont think that's a difference 8-) |
| 02:21.55 | squidbear | It worked. |
| 02:22.30 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, the day you start giving out free toys to tots i am sure lots of children would want to see you as well |
| 02:22.56 | Shirik | I used to work at Best Buy and gave kids games when they gave me a gift card |
| 02:22.58 | Shirik | does that count? |
| 02:23.05 | Thunder_Child | not quite |
| 02:23.12 | sacarasc | if you give out free toys to kids, you'll get arrested on suspicion of being a paedophile |
| 02:23.15 | Thunder_Child | but farther than most people |
| 02:23.16 | Shirik | or when processing exchanges |
| 02:23.37 | Thunder_Child | sacarasc, who said he isnt already? |
| 02:23.42 | Shirik | usually it was more of a "they give me broken stuff and I tell them it'll cost more to fix than get a new one" |
| 02:24.11 | Iriel | crap -- interacted with a quest item, forgot to pick up the thing inside, ran off to do the next thing |
| 02:26.01 | Shirik | I usually find myself doing more of the "Go to quest giver, go too fast for my ISP, think I accepted quest but didn't, run away, get pissed that nothing's dropping, check for quest again and notice I don't have it" |
| 02:26.06 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, isnt that why you are supposed to sell them the extended warranty? |
| 02:26.16 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: That's sales, I was at the tech bench :P |
| 02:26.26 | Shirik | I was more of the "See, told ya to get the service plan!" |
| 02:26.37 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, gift cards at the tech bench? |
| 02:26.57 | Shirik | well I went back and forth between tech bench and customer service, because they never had enough people to do exchanges |
| 02:27.07 | Shirik | and then for code 1's too |
| 02:27.33 | Shirik | (code 1 would be more of the "getting gift card" thing) |
| 02:27.55 | Thunder_Child | ok, having malygos fly down to just above my head is a "DO NOT WANT" |
| 02:27.56 | Shirik | I did piss off some little kid once though because I wouldn't let him buy a game |
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| 02:29.37 | Iriel | Shirik: Was it because the game sucked and you didn't want him to waste his money? |
| 02:29.56 | Thunder_Child | my bet is age restriction |
| 02:30.01 | Shirik | heh, no :) It was just an 'M' rated game and Best Buy implemented a policy to only sell them to people 17+ |
| 02:35.41 | Shirik | Any Ace developers online? |
| 02:39.46 | Gnarfoz | stores need policies for that? ;D |
| 02:40.16 | Iriel | The rating is just an 'advisory' one |
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| 02:42.26 | Amarande | hmm, looks like people are continuing to find more and more bad achievements |
| 02:42.44 | Amarande | hydraxian waterlords exalted is now being mentioned as 99.94% impossible pretty much |
| 02:44.25 | Amarande | in fact, it's probably more impossible than the other "impossible" ones |
| 02:44.26 | mikma | god damnit |
| 02:44.37 | Amarande | most of those, will be fixed by patch tuning or are still not quite as impossible. |
| 02:44.43 | mikma | need really easy way of knowing if i am the owner of a custom wow-channel |
| 02:44.50 | squidbear | Does text:SetFontObject("GameFontNormal"); automatically center justify the text? :\ |
| 02:45.05 | Amarande | basically, if you start from scratch? it looks like by the time you can be exalted with hydraxian, you'll be lucky if WoW is even PLAYED anymore |
| 02:45.13 | Amarande | you'll be lucky if the servers even exist anymore LOL |
| 02:45.25 | Amarande | makes the brewfest year achievement look trivial LOL |
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| 02:53.01 | squidbear | Is there a built-in function or variable that grabs the player's name? |
| 02:53.39 | Iriel | UnitName("player") |
| 02:54.36 | squidbear | aha! |
| 02:55.37 | Gnarfoz | <@Iriel> The rating is just an 'advisory' one <-- not here, hehe |
| 02:56.18 | Gnarfoz | <Amarande> hydraxian waterlords exalted is now being mentioned as 99.94% impossible pretty much <-- how's that impossible after 3.0.8? :O |
| 02:58.06 | cbreak | well, you get reputation from killing stuff, right? |
| 02:58.15 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: ah, at that point it wasn't yet known about 3.0.8's fix |
| 02:58.18 | cbreak | but the bigger the level difference gets, the less rep you get |
| 02:58.19 | Shirik | So I'm looking at this bingo game we were playing today |
| 02:58.33 | Shirik | on one side it says "Fun for all ages!" |
| 02:58.44 | Shirik | on the other side it says "Choking hazard - not intended for children under 3 years" |
| 02:58.47 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: also, it was mis-read on a rep table that only gole and rag give rep at revered |
| 02:59.00 | squidbear | Why does this center my text? Shouldn't it just set boundaries for it rather than centering it? |
| 02:59.00 | squidbear | text:SetWidth(frame:GetRight() - frame:GetLeft() - 32); |
| 02:59.05 | Amarande | although, without the 3.0.8 fix, it does appear to take nearly two solid years of weekly MC runs just to get from revered to exalted |
| 02:59.17 | Amarande | which makes the brewfest one seem trivial by comparison LOL |
| 03:00.17 | Gnarfoz | your numbers seem awfully small, somehow. |
| 03:00.45 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: presently, at 80, at revered, you get 20 from each boss other than Gole and Rag, who give 30 and 40 respectively |
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| 03:01.05 | Gnarfoz | who cares about presently, if that's changed soon? :O |
| 03:01.11 | Amarande | That's 210 rep per MC run and no other sources of rep, so 21,000 rep from revered to exalted is 100 runs |
| 03:01.18 | Gnarfoz | also: why *should* a new character be able to get that achievement? |
| 03:01.18 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 03:01.38 | Amarande | What was gotten wrong was thinking that only Rag and Gole gave rep at revered, which would have meant only 70 rep per run, and 300 runs |
| 03:01.49 | Amarande | And people began to think, will WoW even exist in five and three quarters years heh |
| 03:01.55 | Gnarfoz | it means you ran Molten Bore for ages. it shouldn't mean you ran it for that friggin achievement 3 years after Molten Bore stopped being current content :p |
| 03:02.15 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: actually, one of the purposes of achievements IS to encourage people to revisit old content |
| 03:02.21 | Gnarfoz | uhmmmmm right. |
| 03:02.22 | Iriel | It's not much of an 'achievement' if it's trivial to get |
| 03:02.26 | Gnarfoz | not this one. :p |
| 03:02.33 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: more to the point, there's a basic principle of achievements in general, which basically is this |
| 03:02.41 | Iriel | I have no problem with nearly unobtainable achievements |
| 03:02.42 | Gnarfoz | yeah... entitlement. |
| 03:02.48 | Amarande | an achievement that grants points is meant for current characters with no progress to be able to get within a feasible period of time |
| 03:03.06 | Gnarfoz | hurrr right. |
| 03:03.10 | Amarande | if it is meant to be nearly-impossible by design, then it is made a Feat of Strength instead. |
| 03:04.09 | Amarande | Hydraxian as of 3.0.3 -very much- scrapes the edge of FoS territory, although 3.0.8 will fix that |
| 03:04.34 | cbreak | what will they do? |
| 03:04.45 | Amarande | cbreak: they're going to fix the bosses to give full rep instead of grey mob rep at 80 |
| 03:04.47 | Gnarfoz | there is nothing to be fixed. |
| 03:04.56 | cbreak | only bosses? |
| 03:05.11 | Amarande | cbreak: the main problem is revered->exalted |
| 03:05.13 | cbreak | I want the Diplomat achievement, and the mobs only give 1 rep per kill... |
| 03:05.18 | Gnarfoz | I don't know where you got that definition, which sounds very much like it's made up by entitlement syndrome affected forum users, but meh. |
| 03:05.18 | Amarande | and only bosses give any rep at all at that point anyway |
| 03:05.23 | cbreak | there are lots of reputation problems |
| 03:05.37 | Amarande | however, there IS a logical point here: |
| 03:05.47 | Amarande | mobs go from full rep to nerfed rep, as a rule, when they become grey |
| 03:05.55 | Amarande | bosses are always, BY DEFINITION, effectively orange |
| 03:06.12 | Gnarfoz | bosses are always, by definition, playermaxlevel+3 |
| 03:06.13 | cbreak | appart from not scaling in health and damage |
| 03:06.16 | Amarande | they -never- become grey mobs, no matter what |
| 03:06.27 | Gnarfoz | "orange" is not a level. :P |
| 03:06.34 | Amarande | therefore, it seems logical, and Blizzard has decided as well, that for them to give grey mob rep to 80 raids is fail |
| 03:07.03 | cbreak | their health should scale with the level of the attacker :) |
| 03:07.21 | Shirik | no screw that |
| 03:07.23 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: it's from the idea of the Feats of Strength in general |
| 03:07.24 | Shirik | I want to be able to one shot rags |
| 03:07.40 | Shirik | god knows he's one shot me enough times in the past |
| 03:07.43 | Amarande | 'Feats of Strength achievements represent the past glories of Azeroth, and as such, players will find them very difficult if not impossible to earn. They are worth no points,' |
| 03:08.19 | Amarande | the logical extension of this is that feats that actually *are* worth points are meant to represent the present glories of Azeroth, and as such, players should find them reasonably feasible to earn with reasonable effort |
| 03:08.33 | Shirik | Incorrect |
| 03:08.42 | Shirik | P -> Q does not imply that ~P -> ~Q |
| 03:08.53 | Amarande | oh, great, did I just negate the antecedent? :| |
| 03:08.53 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 03:09.09 | Shirik | I, however, argue this side instead |
| 03:09.18 | Shirik | Feats of Strength should be impossible to attain |
| 03:09.23 | cbreak | P -> Q implies that ~Q -> ~P |
| 03:09.25 | Shirik | (aside from if you had gotten them when you should) |
| 03:09.46 | Shirik | Even if it's very very hard, if it's still possible to get it shouldn't be a feat of strength |
| 03:09.52 | Amarande | Shirik: which means in turn that any achievement that IS actually impossible to attain within a reasonable estimate for the lifespan of WoW should BE a FoS, right? |
| 03:09.56 | Shirik | achievements that fall in that category: Exalted with hydraxian |
| 03:10.01 | Gnarfoz | the only thing I've seen proven time and time again is that you like to write much without saying much, taking speculation for fact and generalizing :P |
| 03:10.23 | Amarande | which means that, until people realized they read the rep table wrong, they had reason to believe that hydraxian should be a FoS |
| 03:10.34 | Gnarfoz | and... they were wrong. |
| 03:10.38 | Gnarfoz | because they can't fucking read. :P |
| 03:10.41 | Amarande | because if, in fact, only Gole and Rag counted, it would take almost six years to do revered to exalted alone |
| 03:11.01 | Amarande | and it is not reasonable to expect that WoW will remain the pinnacle of MMORPG success that far into the future |
| 03:11.22 | NightHawkTheSane | .. how long has UO been active and solvent now? |
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| 03:11.31 | Gnarfoz | longer than anything else. |
| 03:11.32 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 03:11.50 | NightHawkTheSane | so I'm going to go on a limb, and say that wow will probably be around 6 years from now. |
| 03:11.57 | Shirik | Fricking EVDO card :( |
| 03:11.59 | Shirik | anyway |
| 03:12.02 | Amarande | Night: UO has also gone through MAJOR cataclysmic changes |
| 03:12.03 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, i'll even say 10. |
| 03:12.03 | Shirik | as I was saying |
| 03:12.05 | Shirik | I don't think it should be "that impossible" |
| 03:12.09 | Shirik | as has been stated, bosses from MC should still give rep no? |
| 03:12.18 | Amarande | Night: let's say there was an achievement in WoW that really did take six years to do |
| 03:12.22 | Shirik | You can easily clear MC in a few hours with a small group now |
| 03:12.29 | Shirik | not to mention if you actually brought 40 people with you, dear god |
| 03:12.31 | Corr-work | if they have another expansion, they'd better bump the minimum level or something |
| 03:12.40 | NightHawkTheSane | why is this even being discussed anyway? |
| 03:12.50 | Amarande | Night: That not only expects WoW to exist for another six years, but also for it to sufficiently resemble the WoW of today for achievements issued right now to still be feasible then |
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| 03:12.59 | Shirik | I would, however, Amarande, like to see an AWARD for it |
| 03:13.06 | Shirik | say, a title, something nice, etc. |
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| 03:13.20 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: because of entitlement syndrome. there shouldn't be stuff that is very hard to get. :P |
| 03:13.27 | Amarande | Let's say UO had issued achievements six years ago ... I suspect that a huge percentage of them, if they were like WoW's, would probably not be possible today because the world has changed too much, no? |
| 03:14.02 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: well, there seem to be two basic types of achievement QQ |
| 03:14.12 | Gnarfoz | I don't care for *either* sort |
| 03:14.12 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 03:14.15 | Amarande | 1) "This achievement is just plain too hard. Please nerf it for my entitlement's sake" |
| 03:14.28 | Gnarfoz | blizz forums should just die |
| 03:14.36 | Gnarfoz | they're useless anyway :( |
| 03:14.47 | Amarande | 2) "This achievement is mind-numbingly easy, but also requires what I feel to be an unreasonably excessive amount of real time, which cannot be shortened by any means, to obtain" |
| 03:14.58 | Amarande | well, there's also a third |
| 03:15.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: nah, they're useful for keeping the unwashed plebs occupied so they don't disrupt the useful communication channels |
| 03:15.08 | Amarande | 3) "The game really is currently designed incorrectly WRT this achievement" |
| 03:15.14 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: as if they would care to figure out IRC ;) |
| 03:15.25 | Amarande | there are indeed a few examples of 3), the horde 4 minute SotA achievement being the truest |
| 03:15.25 | Cidan | Who's QQing about achievements being too hard? |
| 03:15.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: you never knkow.. |
| 03:15.31 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: uh-oh - players have *no* say in what is "correctly designed". |
| 03:16.12 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: it is currently impossible for Horde to get a 4 minute SotA in any way whatsoever, without 1) very specific teams on BOTH sides, and 2) outright FIXING of a battleground to do it |
| 03:16.49 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: this is a defect in the way that SotA itself is designed, and not to do with player whining about entitlement |
| 03:16.54 | Gnarfoz | uhhh right |
| 03:17.02 | Gnarfoz | I'll believe that when they change it. |
| 03:17.09 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: 4 minute SotA for Horde means 4 minute TOTAL SotA |
| 03:17.19 | Amarande | That means counting both the Horde and Alliance attack phases |
| 03:17.20 | Gnarfoz | they would notice themselves, say, by seeing that no-one gets the achievement |
| 03:17.29 | Gnarfoz | I don't care? STOP WHINING. :P |
| 03:17.35 | Amarande | because currently, it tracks it based on how long the BG has been open for |
| 03:17.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: yeah, thats not going to happen with him |
| 03:17.45 | |pez| | Pretty sure I've been in a random SotA group, and won within 4 minutes. |
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| 03:17.55 | Amarande | Therefore, the only way Horde can do this is to manage to throw the game within 2 minutes, and to then do it themselves in that time |
| 03:18.00 | Cidan | SotA? |
| 03:18.05 | Amarande | Strand of the Ancients |
| 03:18.08 | Cidan | Hm |
| 03:18.31 | Cidan | It's likely possible |
| 03:18.42 | Amarande | Cidan: without outright collusion and very specific teams, though? |
| 03:19.02 | Cidan | Ya. |
| 03:19.18 | |pez| | I didn't count the time it takes from we go to the BG, to the time the battle actually starts I guess. |
| 03:19.26 | Cidan | A big part of it is chance, I suppose. |
| 03:19.48 | Cidan | I won AB once in about 4-5 minutes, because it was something like 15 to 5 |
| 03:20.03 | Amarande | Cidan: auto-ended after 5 minutes due to insufficient opposition team size? |
| 03:20.10 | Cidan | No, we won on points |
| 03:20.17 | Cidan | We got the points before the AB ended |
| 03:20.32 | Amarande | Ah, like my 2000-0/Under 6 EotS achievement |
| 03:20.40 | Cidan | Right |
| 03:20.50 | Amarande | Cidan: that doesn't really translate to SotA, though |
| 03:20.53 | Cidan | So I'm sure it's possible, hard, yeah, but eh. |
| 03:21.06 | Amarande | SotA is basically a double-round BG, and Horde can only 'win' in round two |
| 03:21.10 | Cidan | If they change it, then they change it and yay \o/ |
| 03:21.13 | Cidan | otherwise, meh |
| 03:21.23 | Cidan | reroll aliance, we're cooler anyway. |
| 03:21.27 | Amarande | that one's probably going to remain impossible till they manage to fix it so Alliance doesn't always get to go first |
| 03:21.42 | Amarande | which as I understand was more or less officially announced to be a stopgap due to BG queue populations |
| 03:21.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: no, reroll alliance, so horde has less whiners to deal with ;) |
| 03:21.48 | Cidan | Bleh |
| 03:21.55 | Cidan | Just a game fellas |
| 03:22.01 | Cidan | let them fix it someday |
| 03:22.03 | Shirik | no |
| 03:22.05 | Shirik | reroll horde |
| 03:22.06 | Cidan | if not, oh well |
| 03:22.09 | Shirik | because you're mean to me |
| 03:22.10 | Amarande | Cidan: you can't do the 15-5 trick with SotA, anyway |
| 03:22.14 | Cidan | Horde blow so bad. |
| 03:22.17 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:22.23 | Shirik | my BE is hawt, ok? |
| 03:22.27 | Cidan | Right |
| 03:22.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: oh, i do too, but you couldn't afford it |
| 03:22.31 | Cidan | I kill all BE's on sight. |
| 03:22.32 | Amarande | remember: the Alliance team needs to be full too, so they can win it fast enough to give Horde a chance to do it with enough time left on the clock for the total to be under 4 min |
| 03:22.35 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:22.36 | |pez| | I like horde. |
| 03:22.37 | Shirik | you can't kill me |
| 03:22.41 | Cidan | Ya I can |
| 03:22.43 | Cidan | Holy ftw. |
| 03:22.48 | Shirik | holy vs holy |
| 03:22.48 | Cidan | Holy Paladin rocks face. |
| 03:22.49 | Shirik | fun times |
| 03:23.03 | Shirik | beware my smite crits |
| 03:23.10 | Shirik | I got a holy fire crit for 9k the other day actually |
| 03:23.21 | Amarande | thus, the question is, how many team setups can even get to the SotA objective in 2 min |
| 03:23.32 | Cidan | dunno |
| 03:23.33 | Amarande | and can any of those ever do it with any significant opposition? |
| 03:23.47 | |pez| | Oh, I went into Stormwind today, killed the king. Went to ironforge, might have pulled the High Tinkerer gnome man... ( I didn't know!), and were 200k away from killing the IF .. king? |
| 03:23.53 | Amarande | the first answer is probably up in the air ... but the second one is basically 100% certainly "no" |
| 03:23.56 | Shirik | wanna hear funny story? I still haven't played SotA |
| 03:24.16 | Cidan | purple monkey dishwasher |
| 03:24.16 | Amarande | ergo, collusion is required |
| 03:24.16 | Gnarfoz | ergo, you're full of it |
| 03:24.16 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 03:24.16 | Gnarfoz | Cidan: I want one |
| 03:24.25 | Shirik | I can't believe you both just used "ergo" |
| 03:24.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i think i did it twice, got bored.. |
| 03:24.35 | sacarasc | ergo, Shirik sucks |
| 03:24.38 | Cidan | keep it civil, plz. |
| 03:24.45 | Cidan | Don't tell people they're full of it, etc. |
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| 03:24.51 | Cidan | lol |
| 03:24.54 | Cidan | wtf |
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| 03:24.58 | Gnarfoz | riiiight Cidan. :p |
| 03:24.58 | sacarasc | :D |
| 03:25.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ergo, Cidan's full of it |
| 03:25.11 | Cidan | BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS NIGHTHAWK |
| 03:25.14 | Cidan | I mean |
| 03:25.16 | Cidan | I love you. |
| 03:25.18 | sacarasc | Shadowed: sorry |
| 03:25.18 | Amarande | As for the most significant example of QQ category 2 (it's easy, but it takes unreasonably long!) |
| 03:25.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i charge extra for that |
| 03:25.20 | Gnarfoz | DN3D :O |
| 03:25.27 | Amarande | that would be the brewfest achievement (and by extension the violet proto drake) |
| 03:25.35 | sacarasc | <3 |
| 03:26.09 | Amarande | Getting a BotM Club membership is the easiest thing in the world. However, the terms of the achievement then demand that you wait a full year to complete it. |
| 03:26.20 | Amarande | I think the QQ here might be justified. I mean, we're talking people who want a sense of ez-mode entitlement |
| 03:26.29 | Gnarfoz | not knowing or forgetting to get the membership sucks, too |
| 03:26.29 | Amarande | what could be more ez-mode than an achievement where all you have to actually do is *wait*? |
| 03:26.38 | Gnarfoz | hello :O QQ is NEVER justified |
| 03:26.41 | Gnarfoz | it's QQ |
| 03:26.58 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: I think what one person I saw post about that was probably to blame in that case |
| 03:27.14 | Amarande | the theory was that 3.0 was meant to have been launched sooner |
| 03:27.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: that's a fair point, but i generally think that if you care that much about it, you should have done your research ahead of time and known better |
| 03:27.35 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, indeed. and that's why I don't whine about it :O |
| 03:27.46 | Amarande | in other words, that people who don't scour third party sites and/or participate in beta/PTR testing sessions were originally intended to have known about the brewfest achievements during brewfest itself |
| 03:27.47 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed, but we're probably sane and rational people |
| 03:28.37 | Amarande | however, 3.0 was delayed, so unless you had external knowledge that you needed the BotM card (and while I'm not one, some people DO prefer to play without spoilers, too), you can't get your drake till 2010. |
| 03:28.49 | Cidan | Why |
| 03:28.50 | Cidan | WHY |
| 03:28.51 | Cidan | WHYYYY |
| 03:28.53 | Cidan | WHY BLIZZARD |
| 03:29.10 | NightHawkTheSane | because blizzard hates you. personally |
| 03:29.15 | Cidan | Did you have to make the tabard of the explorer look like Captain Planet's uniform? |
| 03:29.19 | Amarande | What *IS* QQ are things like people complaining because they can't get their winter veil achievement because they screwed up their goblin rep going for a pretty pirate hat and forgot to train cooking first |
| 03:29.24 | Cidan | CAPTAIN CIDAN |
| 03:29.27 | Cidan | HE'S OUR HERO |
| 03:29.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i took a tour of their offices once, they have your picture on a dartboard there |
| 03:29.32 | Cidan | GONNA TAKE POLLUTION DOWN TO ZERO |
| 03:29.34 | Cidan | Jesus. |
| 03:29.43 | sacarasc | Amarande: 3.0 was on the ptr with that achievement while brewfest was still on, if you get spoilers, you should have known |
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| 03:30.06 | Gnarfoz | and keep in mind: you're not supposed to play with a check-off list of stuff for achievements. |
| 03:30.26 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: actually, at this point, the blizzard stance is generally that you are |
| 03:30.29 | Gnarfoz | uhhhhhhhh |
| 03:30.30 | NightHawkTheSane | sacarasc: like i said, if it was important enough to you to bitch about it, you should have known better and done your research |
| 03:30.33 | Gnarfoz | no. |
| 03:30.50 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: You have the achievement pane right in front of you. It details all the holiday achievements, including upcoming ones. |
| 03:30.57 | Gnarfoz | indeed it does |
| 03:31.01 | Gnarfoz | no 3rd party sources necessary. |
| 03:31.13 | Gnarfoz | (I think that needs another "c" ^^) |
| 03:31.29 | Amarande | Therefore, before complaining, you are indeed expected to know in advance, even if you don't use wowhead or the like to help you, in general what you will need for a given achievement. |
| 03:31.40 | Gnarfoz | ?! |
| 03:31.42 | Gnarfoz | it's right there. |
| 03:31.47 | Gnarfoz | how can someone even complain about it |
| 03:31.48 | Cidan | My God |
| 03:31.53 | Cidan | Are you two still going on about this? |
| 03:31.56 | Amarande | For instance, the pirates should have known that cooking was going to be needed for Winter Veil. |
| 03:31.58 | Cidan | Seriously? |
| 03:32.07 | Gnarfoz | what the hell do pirates have to do with Winter Veil |
| 03:32.20 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: bloodsail admirals are normally hated with all steamwheedle factions |
| 03:32.21 | |pez| | they want presents too! |
| 03:32.21 | Gnarfoz | not that it's entirely possible to get your Goblin rep back up. |
| 03:32.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: they be stealing our chrismas! |
| 03:32.21 | kd3 | how the hell do people not have cooking anyway? |
| 03:32.34 | sacarasc | i don't have cooking! |
| 03:32.37 | Amarande | Therefore, if they didn't already have artisan cooking, they have to go through the goblin rep grind to get it |
| 03:32.43 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: I didn't have it on one character for a while, just because i had it on an alt |
| 03:32.47 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: so? their own problem. they just have to get their goblin rep back up. they keep the title and the clothes anyway. |
| 03:32.58 | sacarasc | when i decided to learn cooking, i was hated with the goblins, so i got to 225 and gave up |
| 03:32.59 | Cidan | ooo |
| 03:33.01 | Cidan | I need to do that |
| 03:33.03 | NightHawkTheSane | course, knowing it was necessary for winter's veil, i went and leveled it up in one or two days.. |
| 03:33.20 | NightHawkTheSane | sacarasc: of course, the books are tradeable... |
| 03:33.33 | sacarasc | it's the quest one, not the book one |
| 03:33.40 | sacarasc | gotta go to Gadgetzan |
| 03:33.42 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, right |
| 03:33.45 | NightHawkTheSane | my bad |
| 03:33.48 | Gnarfoz | the 225->300 quest was there the last years when Winter Veil was in game and the cooking recipe needed the skill even then. :P |
| 03:34.13 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: there was no really special reward to making holiday cider though then |
| 03:34.20 | Gnarfoz | so what? |
| 03:35.09 | Amarande | the other achievement complaint I seem to be seeing is this, and I'm -not- entirely sure whether it's false |
| 03:35.38 | Arrowmaster | the cooking one is just idiots QQing |
| 03:35.56 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: namely: there are a large number of achievements that, on a non-dead server, give Alliance a substantially easier version than Horde |
| 03:35.59 | Arrowmaster | the one where horde need to be lvl 77 while alliance can be any level is a valid issue |
| 03:36.15 | sacarasc | what one is that? |
| 03:36.25 | Amarande | however, as far as I know off the top of my head, there are NO achievements that give Horde a break over Alliance |
| 03:36.27 | Gnarfoz | Bros before Ho-Ho-Ho's |
| 03:36.34 | Amarande | sac: yeah, what Gnarfoz said |
| 03:36.46 | Amarande | Horde can only get it before 77 with *very* odd death exploits |
| 03:36.51 | cbreak | Amarande: less quests to do for the quest achievement |
| 03:36.59 | Shirik | Iriel, are you around by any chance? |
| 03:36.59 | Gnarfoz | and then you realize it doesn't matter either way. |
| 03:36.59 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 03:37.00 | Arrowmaster | from what i heard, one of the SotA achievements is impossible for horde |
| 03:37.00 | sacarasc | i just assumed that horde had their own version of that :o |
| 03:37.13 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: just scroll up, xD he went on about it for like 10 minutes :p |
| 03:37.14 | Amarande | sacarasc: they do |
| 03:37.19 | Amarande | Horde has one in Icecrown, though |
| 03:37.24 | sacarasc | ah |
| 03:37.32 | Amarande | and you absolutely can't get to the Horde place in Icecrown before 77 (as Horde, anyway) |
| 03:37.34 | Iriel | i am |
| 03:37.41 | sacarasc | get a warlock summon! |
| 03:37.44 | Arrowmaster | you can but its very very hard |
| 03:37.47 | Arrowmaster | you cant get summoned |
| 03:37.48 | Amarande | sacarasc: warlock summons don't work there |
| 03:37.49 | sacarasc | unless it's a phased place |
| 03:37.50 | Amarande | that's the crux |
| 03:37.51 | kd3 | can't summon on transports |
| 03:37.53 | Shirik | I'm getting a strange checkstyle warning if you don't mind taking a look at it; it's your script so :/ |
| 03:38.01 | sacarasc | damn |
| 03:38.03 | Shirik | It says "Conditional logic can be removed" on this line: if (colname == COLUMN_NAMES[2] && thisComponent instanceof JButton) { |
| 03:38.10 | Shirik | what does that mean :/ |
| 03:38.12 | Amarande | you can only get there via a quest, which requires you to be 77, or by having cold weather flying (and we know what that requires) |
| 03:38.31 | NightHawkTheSane | the quest doesn't actually take youthere |
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| 03:38.36 | NightHawkTheSane | it's just a breadcrumb |
| 03:38.41 | Arrowmaster | i saw a forum post by a guy that used a slow fall effect to get onto the ship |
| 03:38.53 | Amarande | there's also a fair number of other horde achievements that are significantly harder than their alliance version, too |
| 03:39.00 | kd3 | you've gotta be 77 to unlock the flight, though. don't have to be on the quest to take said flight |
| 03:39.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 03:39.12 | Iriel | Hm, does it know that one of those two is always true or false? |
| 03:39.19 | Amarande | e.g.: Exploration. There is absolutely NO area in the game that is as sealed off for Alliance as Teldrassil is for Horde |
| 03:39.21 | Arrowmaster | you have to accept the quest to unlock the flight |
| 03:39.33 | Shirik | it shouldn't |
| 03:39.34 | Arrowmaster | teldrassil is easy to get to |
| 03:39.37 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 03:39.41 | Gnarfoz | this Teldrassil shit again |
| 03:39.44 | Gnarfoz | I'm going to bed :p |
| 03:39.49 | kd3 | oh noes... running through a city where no alliance ever go to willingly |
| 03:39.55 | Iriel | Shirik: I'd probably need to see the whol emethod |
| 03:39.59 | Gnarfoz | might just as well put a bot here that sometimes rants about stuff :p |
| 03:40.04 | NightHawkTheSane | teldrassil is trivial to explore |
| 03:40.11 | NightHawkTheSane | it was easy at 70 with 75 guards, even |
| 03:40.14 | Amarande | Okay, how about ... Fishing. |
| 03:40.21 | kd3 | fishing is just boredom |
| 03:40.24 | Shirik | This is it, it's short: http://wowi.pastey.net/105036 |
| 03:40.26 | kd3 | hello wow grinding |
| 03:40.29 | kd3 | oh noes |
| 03:40.37 | cbreak | I met a horde in IF fishing |
| 03:40.38 | Arrowmaster | when we were doing for the horde! a few of us ran around the city afterwards looking for alliance to gank for the 5 kills in each city achievement |
| 03:40.48 | Amarande | Both factions have to do cross-faction capital city fishing. |
| 03:40.51 | cbreak | I think he had more endurance than I did... I gave up after five mins :/ |
| 03:41.02 | Iriel | Shirik: OH! |
| 03:41.02 | Arrowmaster | there are many easy places to hide in org though |
| 03:41.15 | Amarande | But Alliance can do it trivially, by taking advantage of the quest that gives them a phased Org |
| 03:41.24 | Iriel | Shirik: It's telling you to do "return (colname == COLUMN_NAMES[2] && thisComponent instanceof JButton)" |
| 03:41.32 | cbreak | what do you mean? |
| 03:41.34 | Shirik | ahh |
| 03:41.37 | Shirik | I see |
| 03:41.38 | Amarande | Horde, on the other hand, have an easy enough time probably with getting one fish from Stormwind, but they must get a rare fish from Ironforge, which unlike Darnassus, probably IS a busy place. |
| 03:41.53 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: I don't know if you have sufficient access, but any idea if the contents of http://www.wowace.com/projects/buttonfacade/files/161-3-0-3b1/ including /trunk/ and /tags/ dirs is user error or packager error? :O |
| 03:41.56 | Amarande | And there's no phased IF. |
| 03:42.02 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 03:42.03 | cbreak | the pond is in a place hardly anyone goes ever |
| 03:42.05 | kd3 | qq |
| 03:42.11 | cbreak | and what is phase in Orgrimar? |
| 03:42.32 | Arrowmaster | the wrathgate questline |
| 03:42.39 | cbreak | oh, that's WotLK |
| 03:42.41 | Amarande | cbreak: there's a quest line, for both sides, that gives phased versions of Orgrimmar and Undercity that do not have normal people around |
| 03:42.47 | Arrowmaster | when alliance attack UC they can also goto org |
| 03:42.57 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: is that the most recent zip? |
| 03:43.02 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 03:43.19 | Gnarfoz | eheheh http://www.wowace.com/projects/buttonfacade/files/ even says Status "Invalid Layout" :O |
| 03:44.01 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: its not packager error |
| 03:44.23 | Gnarfoz | wonder how that came to be, then :O |
| 03:44.35 | Arrowmaster | its StormFX error |
| 03:45.22 | Arrowmaster | he did an svn copy and copied the root dir instead of /trunk |
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| 03:45.38 | Gnarfoz | looks like he broke the repo, too |
| 03:45.42 | Gnarfoz | can't browse it |
| 03:45.56 | Arrowmaster | no thats likely just tsvn being retarded |
| 03:46.02 | Gnarfoz | not using tsvn |
| 03:46.11 | Arrowmaster | well commandline client works fine |
| 03:46.17 | Gnarfoz | hm ok, but going from the botched copy path is a bad idea |
| 03:46.18 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 03:46.23 | Gnarfoz | needs /mainline ;) |
| 03:47.53 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 03:48.10 | Gnarfoz | nah, nothing. |
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| 03:48.29 | Gnarfoz | so basically, tagging it correctly would clean that up |
| 03:48.53 | Gnarfoz | heh, fun times for him then :D |
| 03:49.07 | Iriel | Shirik: By the way, nice work including the comment about interning... But I wonder what the magic [2] and [3] indices are, perhaps they're constants begging for definition? |
| 03:49.19 | Shirik | I've been considering that |
| 03:49.37 | kd3 | whee... fresh f10 install... yum update: 400mb |
| 03:49.51 | kd3 | <3 the foss lifecycle |
| 03:49.52 | Shirik | Because I've had to go scroll up 500 lines frequently because I keep forgetting which column is which :( |
| 03:49.57 | Shirik | so I probably will convert them soon :) |
| 03:50.11 | Iriel | Shirik: Anyway, if your code is usually that clean you can come work for me someday 8-) |
| 03:50.22 | Shirik | I try to comment well :) |
| 03:50.43 | Shirik | I've learned that lesson the hard way, and I still try to instill it on my students |
| 03:50.52 | Shirik | doesn't always get through to them until they have the same experience, though |
| 03:51.00 | Iriel | good comments, nice variable names, clean method. |
| 03:51.30 | Cidan | wait wait |
| 03:51.34 | Cidan | Are you talking about the same Shirik I know? |
| 03:51.38 | Cidan | No, no, I'm joking. |
| 03:51.40 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:51.46 | Cidan | <3 Shirik's skills |
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| 03:52.18 | Shirik | you want "good comments" Iriel |
| 03:52.19 | Shirik | here |
| 03:52.53 | Iriel | (Code that doesn't need comments is acceptable too, it's comments when they'r eimportant that are the key) |
| 03:52.59 | Thunder_Child | my comments would always be what is most amusing with still passing on information |
| 03:53.47 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/105038 Though that's more "documentation" than "comments" |
| 03:53.54 | kd3 | meh... memories of cs classes in college. I rather enjoyed annoying my profs by commenting jokes instead of being serious |
| 03:54.05 | Cidan | My |
| 03:54.07 | Cidan | God |
| 03:54.20 | Cidan | Matthew |
| 03:54.20 | Cidan | what |
| 03:54.22 | Cidan | the hell |
| 03:54.23 | Cidan | is that. |
| 03:54.35 | Cidan | lol |
| 03:54.41 | Shirik | That's taking javadocs to extreme :D |
| 03:54.43 | Cidan | I'm actually cracking up outloud here |
| 03:54.43 | squidbear | how do you concatenate a string in lua? |
| 03:54.48 | Cidan | .. |
| 03:54.55 | Iriel | you almost but not quite get sun's javadoc style right |
| 03:55.08 | Shirik | It's a modular app, and this is the main interface that others will be implementing, so I felt it was necessary to have a very good documentation for it |
| 03:55.17 | Shirik | aw, what did I miss Iriel :( |
| 03:55.38 | Iriel | Typically they do @param size the size of the buffer to be fetched |
| 03:55.43 | Iriel | (lower case first letter, no period) |
| 03:55.55 | Shirik | oh wierd, I have periods in there |
| 03:55.58 | Iriel | You may have too many <p>'s too |
| 03:55.59 | Shirik | I usually don't |
| 03:56.25 | Shirik | I guess I wrote too much for the @param tags, that's why |
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| 03:56.38 | Iriel | but i'm quibbling -- that's nice javadoc work either way |
| 03:57.26 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: you lose |
| 03:57.29 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 03:57.37 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: yeah yeah, I saw :( |
| 03:57.43 | Iriel | And I agree, focus on the interface documentation, and you can {@inheritDoc} a LOT later 8-) |
| 03:58.10 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: now he'll be like "where the fuck did those 5 revs come over night?!" :p |
| 03:58.16 | Shirik | woah hold up |
| 03:58.23 | Shirik | you mean I don't have to rewrite those? |
| 03:58.37 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: meh hes not the only dev for it anyway |
| 03:58.38 | NightHawkTheSane | n |
| 03:58.43 | Arrowmaster | infact he didnt even write it afaik |
| 03:58.53 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: heh. also, did we kill Repobot? :O |
| 03:58.59 | Gnarfoz | it didn't say squat ^^ |
| 03:59.06 | Arrowmaster | no i think it was dead before |
| 03:59.21 | Arrowmaster | actually |
| 03:59.23 | Arrowmaster | maybe we did |
| 03:59.32 | Iriel | it means 'inherit the documentation from the superclass' |
| 03:59.34 | Arrowmaster | since i made a commit deleting A LOT of files |
| 03:59.36 | Iriel | (or superinterface) |
| 03:59.52 | Shirik | thanks for that tip :) |
| 04:00.04 | Iriel | e.g. /** {@inheritDoc} */ public void cleanup() { /* does nothing */ }; |
| 04:00.19 | Iriel | It depends how wordy you want to get, that may be a bit extreme |
| 04:00.43 | Iriel | but if your class level documentation covers the important details of the implementation then the methods themselves can generally just follow the interface |
| 04:01.11 | Shirik | Right, I was mostly getting annoyed that my test classes were popping up warnings all over the place complaining about how they are missing javadocs |
| 04:01.18 | Shirik | So I started rewriting them or copying them |
| 04:01.25 | Shirik | this {@inheritDoc} makes it a lot easier :) |
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| 04:06.34 | Thunder_Child | C/P FTW |
| 04:13.54 | mikma | shirik: hai, help. |
| 04:14.06 | Shirik | mikma: hai, w@? |
| 04:14.10 | mikma | shirik: i run ./lua lol.lua in shell |
| 04:14.36 | mikma | shirik: it has print(math.random(20000)) in it, nothing else |
| 04:14.46 | mikma | i get the same result over and over |
| 04:14.54 | sacarasc | you're just lucky |
| 04:14.55 | Shirik | because Lua seeds itself if you don't seed it |
| 04:15.07 | Shirik | try |
| 04:15.15 | Shirik | math.randomseed(os.time()) |
| 04:15.16 | Shirik | right before it |
| 04:16.16 | mikma | ah |
| 04:16.26 | mikma | so it has got only one value in it? |
| 04:16.35 | Shirik | well |
| 04:16.45 | Shirik | if you seed to the same value every time, you get the same sequence of numbers |
| 04:17.07 | Shirik | The initial seed isn't specified by Lua iirc, you have to seed it |
| 04:17.24 | Shirik | so the results of failing to seed it are dependent upon your C library |
| 04:17.25 | mikma | shirik: thanks, that did the trick =) |
| 04:25.27 | Cidan | Picking herbs without epic flying really, really fucking sucks. |
| 04:25.51 | squidbear | What's the best method for getting updated health values for player? |
| 04:26.01 | Amarande | Cidan: heh, once you go epic, you never go back |
| 04:26.16 | Amarande | my 62 priest has still only a 60% ground mount, while my 74 lock has a netherdrake |
| 04:26.19 | Amarande | guess which character doesn't get played? |
| 04:26.20 | Amarande | heh |
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| 04:26.34 | Amarande | I think I only logged on my priest the other day to make winter veil clothes |
| 04:26.58 | Shirik | My 80 priest, which is pretty much the only char i've played since BC |
| 04:27.09 | Iriel | squidbear: UnitHealth("player") and register for the UNIT_HEALTH event |
| 04:27.11 | Shirik | still doesn't technically "own" an epic flyer, and won't until I pay back somebody another 1.2k |
| 04:27.27 | Shirik | of which I have about 400g right now |
| 04:27.45 | Thunder_Child | 1/3 of the way there |
| 04:27.51 | squidbear | Iriel, ok thanks |
| 04:28.00 | Shirik | I find it rather ironic that I designed the statistical integrator for market price calculations that Auctioneer uses, and yet I'm incredibly poor |
| 04:28.24 | Shirik | I choose to take the belief that everyone else is using it, so they're out-auctionning me with my own tools |
| 04:28.39 | Shirik | whether or not that's correct, I don't care :P |
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| 04:30.59 | Thunder_Child | which says something about you Shirik |
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| 04:31.20 | Shirik | That my software is amazing and I should develop software for the stock market? |
| 04:31.32 | Thunder_Child | just like every other creator, it's the end user that always benefits |
| 04:32.15 | mikma | does os.time() exist in that format in wow? i know time() does the same |
| 04:32.18 | Shirik | Eh, I just get a sense of pride when I create something that works well :) Probably too much pride for my own good, but still |
| 04:32.22 | Shirik | mikma: just time() |
| 04:32.38 | Thunder_Child | there is a financial mathematics school in france that graduates students with an average of $500,000 starting salary |
| 04:32.53 | Shirik | If you want something that works for both wow and locally, try something like |
| 04:33.01 | Shirik | local time = os.time or time |
| 04:33.03 | Shirik | at the top |
| 04:33.16 | Amarande | Shirik: you didn't do SSO dailies at 70? |
| 04:33.22 | Shirik | I did some |
| 04:33.26 | Amarande | that's how I got most of the way to my epic flyer |
| 04:33.27 | Shirik | they get repetitive |
| 04:33.29 | Shirik | by definition |
| 04:33.33 | Amarande | then I made back about half of it from the netherwing dailies |
| 04:33.48 | Shirik | I found my time better spent redesigning our DKP system |
| 04:34.49 | Amarande | Shirik: I've thought of a dual-counter DKP type system that might work well, but I don't really have the raid experience to say if it would |
| 04:35.17 | Amarande | it also pretty much requires that the raid leadership be really familiar with what is an 'essential main role upgrade' and what would be more of an optional 'but I want it' thing |
| 04:35.48 | Shirik | oh we have a great SYSTEM that works |
| 04:35.51 | Shirik | just no software to handle it |
| 04:35.55 | Shirik | I really like our system |
| 04:35.57 | Amarande | Basic idea was this though: Every raid participant has -two- DKP totals. One is current points, and the other is a non-resettable total that is how many they've had total lifetime. |
| 04:36.26 | Shirik | We have a 12 week DKP window. Standard DKP, but any raids that are over 12 weeks old, you get that DKP removed. If you bought an item 12 weeks ago, you get that DKP back. |
| 04:36.42 | Shirik | It helps new people get involved faster, and avoids the "I'm going to stock up DKP forever for that mega item" |
| 04:36.43 | Amarande | If something is an essential main role upgrade, it is given, for free, to whoever has the highest non-resettable total (i.e., has been active the most over the raid's lifetime) |
| 04:37.00 | Amarande | If something is more of a 'but I want it' upgrade, then people can bid on it, with the 'spendable' points. |
| 04:37.27 | Shirik | only thing I don't like about that, Amarande, is the fact that if I joined your guild now I would have little to no chance to catch up to those people |
| 04:38.01 | Amarande | Shirik: by 'whoever has the highest non-resettable total' that would mean only when there would have to be a choice made, though |
| 04:38.17 | Amarande | most items clearly are marked for one person in the raid, maybe two, especially in 10-mans |
| 04:38.46 | Amarande | after all ... last time I did 10-man, which was kara, I was literally -the- only cloth caster dps in the whole raid |
| 04:40.12 | nobin | Shirik: I wrote a bitmap displayer for the boot loader in assembly using bios interrupts |
| 04:40.31 | nobin | I also, obviously, got the video mode to change |
| 04:40.31 | Shirik | you didn't write to the video memory? |
| 04:40.37 | nobin | no |
| 04:40.39 | Shirik | in vmware? |
| 04:40.45 | nobin | yes |
| 04:40.46 | Shirik | What was I doing wrong? |
| 04:40.53 | nobin | to 640x250 monochrome |
| 04:41.01 | nobin | don't know |
| 04:41.22 | Shirik | Isn't it just ... what, ah = 0, int 13h? |
| 04:41.46 | Shirik | Bah, just commit the code and I'll look at it :) |
| 04:41.51 | nobin | kk |
| 04:42.04 | nobin | the image it displays is monochrome |
| 04:42.06 | Shirik | VMWare didn't like me switching to video mode :( |
| 04:42.12 | nobin | 1 bit per pixel |
| 04:42.21 | nobin | it looks pretty cool |
| 04:42.27 | nobin | and i can use any bitmap |
| 04:42.39 | Shirik | should be writing to video memory imo :P |
| 04:42.52 | Shirik | BIOS interrupts are slowwww |
| 04:43.10 | nobin | i know |
| 04:43.21 | nobin | i don't think i can write to video memory |
| 04:43.27 | Shirik | you should be able to |
| 04:43.29 | Shirik | that's what GRUB does |
| 04:43.38 | nobin | in real-address mode? |
| 04:43.41 | Shirik | yeah |
| 04:43.45 | Amarande | Shirik: heh, the wonderful efficiency of video memory writing ... |
| 04:43.49 | Shirik | video memory is defined at a specific segment |
| 04:43.54 | Shirik | I forget where |
| 04:44.07 | Amarande | remember that thing? |
| 04:44.16 | nobin | the video mem has got to be larger than 64KB though |
| 04:44.24 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 04:44.29 | nobin | yes |
| 04:44.35 | Shirik | lua> 640 * 250 / 8 / 1024 |
| 04:44.35 | lua_bot | Shirik: 19.53125 |
| 04:44.43 | Shirik | that's only 19.53 KB there |
| 04:44.51 | nobin | if 1-bit per pixel |
| 04:44.56 | Shirik | yeah |
| 04:45.02 | nobin | the bios supports 256-color also |
| 04:45.13 | Shirik | yes but not at 640x250 |
| 04:45.16 | Amarande | apparently, if I remember right, the TI-99/4A actually was -more- advanced, in CPU terms, than any of the other home computers of its day |
| 04:45.22 | nobin | where;s the video mem then? |
| 04:45.24 | Amarande | it actually had a 16-bit CPU in the day of 8-bits being what you used at home |
| 04:45.28 | Shirik | I don't remember |
| 04:45.42 | Amarande | but then they epicfailed on the design by forcing most of the system memory to go through the video chip instead of direct CPU access |
| 04:45.53 | nobin | when there is 256-color, the vid mem would be larger than 64KB |
| 04:46.22 | Shirik | lua> 64 * 1024 / 256 |
| 04:46.22 | lua_bot | Shirik: 256 |
| 04:46.22 | nobin | Amarande: i don't remember the TI-99 |
| 04:46.39 | nobin | what?? |
| 04:46.47 | Shirik | lua> 80 * 25 |
| 04:46.48 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2000 |
| 04:47.14 | Shirik | I'll look it up, nobin |
| 04:47.50 | nobin | 219 KB |
| 04:47.57 | nobin | for 8-bit pixels |
| 04:48.26 | nobin | also, the bios interrupt handlers are not in the 1 MB in real-mode |
| 04:48.37 | nobin | so the video mem is probally out also |
| 04:49.08 | nobin | the handlers are at 0x0040:0x0000 |
| 04:49.22 | Shirik | well that's easy |
| 04:49.29 | Shirik | THAT'S WHY |
| 04:49.36 | Shirik | I didn't flip the #A20 gate |
| 04:49.43 | Shirik | I bet that's why vmware got pissed when I tried to go to video mode |
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| 04:49.54 | nobin | i don't flip it |
| 04:50.04 | Shirik | how did you access it then? |
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| 04:50.10 | nobin | also, i think we habve to go into protected mode |
| 04:50.24 | Thunder_Child | ban got lifted....hmmm... |
| 04:50.28 | nobin | cuase the real-mode addresses are 20-bits, period |
| 04:50.36 | iewnait | hi guys, does anyone know wat does the xml tag id="1" stand for? is it similar to the html id tag? If so how do i call for it? |
| 04:51.15 | Amarande | nobin: just take a bit of friendly troll advice when it comes to doing protected mode, btw, though :) |
| 04:51.15 | squidbear | [sigh] I need help setting events in lua... >_> I'm totally lost. |
| 04:51.19 | Amarande | stay away from the Voodoo! |
| 04:51.23 | Shirik | Video memory is at 0xB0000 |
| 04:51.37 | Shirik | for monochrome |
| 04:51.41 | Shirik | 0xB8000 for color |
| 04:51.41 | nobin | and in real-mode? |
| 04:51.50 | Shirik | uh |
| 04:51.55 | Shirik | figure out the segment yourself |
| 04:52.05 | Shirik | that's physical address |
| 04:52.11 | nobin | ohh.. ok |
| 04:52.20 | nobin | did you try to run the code? |
| 04:52.26 | Shirik | no :P |
| 04:52.28 | nobin | you have to press a key a few times |
| 04:52.34 | Shirik | trying to deal with something that you're distracting me from |
| 04:52.42 | squidbear | To register the UNIT_HEALTH event, do I make like an event frame or something? Or do I register the event in the player frame? |
| 04:52.42 | nobin | kk |
| 04:53.07 | Shirik | squidbear: All events go to a frame, you have no other way to listen for them |
| 04:53.20 | Shirik | Even if it's as simple as local myEventFrame = CreateFrame("FRAME"); |
| 04:53.22 | squidbear | The same frame? |
| 04:53.31 | Shirik | whatever frame you registered the event on |
| 04:53.36 | squidbear | ok |
| 04:53.39 | Shirik | you need to call frame:RegisterEvent() |
| 04:53.55 | Shirik | (You can do this on multiple frames) |
| 04:54.29 | squidbear | Mkay I'll give it a go |
| 04:54.45 | iewnait | so no one know wat does the id tag in wow xml stands for? |
| 04:55.07 | Shirik | I prefer not to use xml, iewnait :) |
| 04:55.13 | Amarande | nobin: there's always http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreal_mode |
| 04:55.17 | Amarande | but that's the Voodoo |
| 04:56.05 | squidbear | Shirik, I have 2 lines of code...creating frame and then registering the UNIT_HEALTH event to it, but how do I set the text to update every time the even is fired? |
| 04:56.18 | Shirik | you'll want to add a script |
| 04:56.19 | squidbear | event* |
| 04:56.22 | nobin | Amarande: that looks cool |
| 04:56.25 | Shirik | frame:SetScript("OnEvent", myFunction) |
| 04:56.49 | nobin | Amarande: but we plan on going into full flat memory protected mode eventually |
| 04:57.05 | Shirik | 64 bit mode! |
| 04:57.13 | Amarande | nobin: it *looks* cool |
| 04:57.17 | Shirik | Get a better computer! |
| 04:57.34 | Amarande | I wonder if a lot of the trouble with that had to do with the MS-DOS technology of the time |
| 04:57.53 | Amarande | Basically, the problem with unreal mode is that it cannot tolerate anything that forces the CPU into protected mode all the time, such as EMM386 |
| 04:58.26 | Amarande | Ultima VII hurt badly from that, because 1) it used unreal mode, so you couldn't use EMM386, which meant you couldn't use any UMBs, either |
| 04:58.39 | Amarande | 2) it required a sound and mouse driver to be loaded |
| 04:58.46 | Amarande | 3) it required almost 600K of conventional free, too |
| 04:59.58 | Shirik | 'To enable unreal mode without using any undocumented features of the CPU, the program has to enter protected mode, locate a flat descriptor in the GDT or LDT or create such, load some of the segment registers with the respective protected mode "selector", then cancel back to real mode. When jumping back to RM, the processor will continue using the cached descriptors as established in PM - thus allowing access to 4 GB of "extended" memory fro |
| 05:00.04 | Shirik | That almost sounds like a glitch, lol |
| 05:00.34 | squidbear | Shirik, should I create playerHealth as a variable for this? |
| 05:00.48 | Shirik | squidbear: You could, or you could simply query UnitHealth() |
| 05:00.50 | Shirik | it's up to you |
| 05:03.22 | squidbear | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105039 |
| 05:03.25 | squidbear | -_- |
| 05:03.59 | squidbear | What am I doing wrong here Shirik ? |
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| 05:04.19 | Shirik | you make the function after you ste it |
| 05:04.20 | Shirik | set* |
| 05:04.31 | Shirik | so you load a non-existent function |
| 05:04.40 | Shirik | at the time line 3 executes, OnEvent is nil |
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| 05:05.08 | squidbear | Oh i see |
| 05:05.21 | Joeba18 | any mods on atm? |
| 05:05.22 | Shirik | My preferred way for short functions is to actually do it inline, like this, but it's a more advanced Lua syntax: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105041 |
| 05:05.30 | Shirik | for WoWInterface, Joeba18? |
| 05:05.36 | Joeba18 | yea |
| 05:05.41 | Shirik | what do you need |
| 05:06.27 | Joeba18 | i was wondering since openrdx core only there group can upload to the core area if i can upload my own updates in another catagory |
| 05:06.42 | squidbear | Well...I get no errors, but I still am not updating the text. |
| 05:07.04 | Shirik | Sure; also if they allow you to, you can link it to openrdx |
| 05:07.10 | Shirik | by specifying that it's a patch or addon |
| 05:07.37 | Joeba18 | ah ok well good didnt want to upload inless i knew i could ^^ |
| 05:07.42 | Shirik | squidbear: UnitHealth() simply gets the unit's health |
| 05:07.49 | Shirik | it returns the value of their health |
| 05:07.54 | Shirik | you need to actually do something with it |
| 05:08.09 | Wobin | I got a USB mug heater and a mug for christmas |
| 05:08.11 | Shirik | !api UnitHealth |
| 05:08.12 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'UnitHealth' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitHealth |
| 05:08.15 | squidbear | Right...but what were you saying about not needing a variable for the health? |
| 05:08.21 | Wobin | However, the mug |
| 05:08.26 | Shirik | You don't need one |
| 05:08.28 | Wobin | although supposedly designed for this |
| 05:08.31 | nobin | Wobin???? |
| 05:08.35 | Shirik | you could just throw it straight in if you want to |
| 05:08.39 | Cidan | Joeba18: hi, lol |
| 05:08.43 | Wobin | has great insulation on the bottom |
| 05:08.44 | nobin | name warper |
| 05:08.46 | Wobin | Nobin!? |
| 05:08.48 | Wobin | pft |
| 05:08.52 | Cidan | Joeba18: Did you need me earlier? |
| 05:08.54 | Wobin | I was Wobin well before you turned up =P |
| 05:09.02 | Shirik | hate to break your heart nobin, Wobin existed long before you |
| 05:09.12 | Shirik | and he's not stupid like you and run as root 24/7 |
| 05:09.21 | Cidan | nobin runs as root? |
| 05:09.21 | nobin | hey |
| 05:09.23 | Cidan | are you seirous? |
| 05:09.24 | Shirik | oh you're not running as root right now! |
| 05:09.25 | nobin | i changed |
| 05:09.26 | Shirik | impressive! |
| 05:09.28 | Wobin | sudo fetch me a sandwich |
| 05:09.33 | Joeba18 | sup cidan |
| 05:09.34 | Cidan | was about to say |
| 05:09.35 | nobin | you don't know me |
| 05:09.38 | Cidan | I'm so hax0ring him |
| 05:09.39 | Cidan | lol |
| 05:09.58 | Shirik | careful nobin, people will get your ASDI data or however you spell it |
| 05:10.07 | Joeba18 | since it's about openrdx ill talk to you about it in oprnrdx irc if thats ok with you |
| 05:10.10 | nobin | anyways check this beast of a boot loader startup out: http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/4586/dbblif0.png |
| 05:10.26 | Cidan | ya |
| 05:10.28 | Cidan | That's fine |
| 05:10.34 | nobin | it's Aircraft Situational Display to Industry (ASDI) |
| 05:11.16 | squidbear | Shirik, http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105042 Should I put my onload function below my text and just have it do playerFrame:SetText(UnitHealth()) ? |
| 05:12.01 | Shirik | OnLoad is meaningless in Lua |
| 05:12.13 | Shirik | just write it straight into the file |
| 05:12.19 | squidbear | onevent* sorry |
| 05:12.22 | Shirik | and yes you can do that |
| 05:12.28 | Shirik | then yes that's fine |
| 05:12.29 | nobin | everythings useless in Lua, use Perl |
| 05:12.31 | squidbear | ok |
| 05:12.51 | nobin | or IA-32 |
| 05:12.58 | nobin | that;s reak fun |
| 05:13.00 | mikma | ok here too: i was watching da vinci code, and silas hit the nun in the head with the stone thingy.. and i screamed "RUNE STRIKE".. |
| 05:13.05 | nobin | not fustrating at all |
| 05:13.05 | Shirik | careful, nobin, ye venture into worlds of dragons |
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| 05:13.24 | Shirik | ~stab mikma |
| 05:13.25 | purl | ACTION runs at mikma with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 05:13.32 | nobin | Shirik: did you look at the boot loader image? |
| 05:13.34 | Shirik | OH! I got a letherman for christmas |
| 05:13.37 | Shirik | yes I saw it |
| 05:13.46 | mikma | ~whaleparry shirik |
| 05:13.47 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry shirik's attacks. |
| 05:13.57 | Shirik | you can't parry paper |
| 05:14.08 | Shirik | it just bends around the parry attempt |
| 05:14.13 | mikma | i cant, but edwardo can |
| 05:14.18 | Shirik | ah ok |
| 05:14.23 | nobin | you guys are worse than i am |
| 05:14.28 | nobin | GEEKS!! |
| 05:14.37 | mikma | thank you =) |
| 05:14.47 | Shirik | I should introduce nobin, he is my ... rather strange... friend from school |
| 05:14.52 | Shirik | he's a software engineer, one of the dark side |
| 05:14.56 | mikma | evil wobin |
| 05:14.58 | Shirik | I have yet to convince him to convert to computer engineering |
| 05:15.03 | mikma | like i said before |
| 05:15.05 | squidbear | It's still not working ?_? |
| 05:15.16 | nobin | I just spent 3 days in assembly |
| 05:15.27 | mikma | nob in school |
| 05:15.30 | nobin | I am an honorary computer engineer |
| 05:15.36 | mikma | lololo i made a funny |
| 05:15.45 | Shirik | you can't consider yourself a computer engineer and get a B in realtime |
| 05:16.04 | nobin | you know what |
| 05:16.05 | squidbear | Shirik, http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105043 |
| 05:16.14 | nobin | I hate that teacher |
| 05:16.19 | Shirik | he's awesome! |
| 05:16.25 | nobin | noooo |
| 05:16.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Hm. Hackers or War Games? |
| 05:16.39 | Shirik | wargames = awesome |
| 05:16.48 | nobin | hackers = lame |
| 05:16.57 | squidbear | Hackers at war? >_> |
| 05:16.57 | Shirik | squidbear: Line 17 won't rerun by itself |
| 05:17.04 | Shirik | you need to call SetText() in the OnEvent script |
| 05:17.26 | squidbear | oh ok |
| 05:17.26 | nobin | Shirik: did you look at the boot loader image? |
| 05:17.31 | squidbear | makes sense |
| 05:17.33 | nobin | that i posted |
| 05:18.30 | squidbear | I feel naughty putting my onevents at the bottom of my lua file :( |
| 05:18.36 | sylvanaar | is there a way to remap mouseup to mouse3? |
| 05:18.40 | Shirik | nobin: omg I said yes like 3 times |
| 05:18.57 | nobin | is it awasome??? |
| 05:18.57 | sylvanaar | SHIFT-MOUSEWHEELUP |
| 05:19.20 | Shirik | it's pretty hawt, but it lacks your name |
| 05:19.37 | nobin | no |
| 05:19.38 | Amarande | squidbear: here, have some [Coal] |
| 05:19.47 | nobin | it;s now Del Boomer Boot Loader |
| 05:19.47 | squidbear | OM NOM NOM |
| 05:20.01 | Shirik | ah, that works |
| 05:20.01 | nobin | sorta both our names |
| 05:21.07 | nobin | and if i access vid mem, how often does it refresh? |
| 05:21.28 | Shirik | dude |
| 05:21.34 | nobin | or do i have to raise an interrupt to get it to refresh |
| 05:21.35 | Shirik | just drop out of school |
| 05:21.41 | nobin | ?? |
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| 05:22.40 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik|Ghost] by ChanServ |
| 05:22.47 | Amarande | heh, more forum QQ ... |
| 05:22.57 | squidbear | q |
| 05:22.58 | sacarasc | the ghost of shirik past! :o |
| 05:22.59 | nobin | shirik: wtf |
| 05:23.02 | Amarande | apparently, people are now insisting the rep system is being milked for achievements for another purpose |
| 05:23.12 | Shirik | stupid EVDO card... |
| 05:23.14 | Shirik | as I was saying |
| 05:23.18 | Shirik | (00:21:20) (@Shirik) just drop out of school |
| 05:23.20 | Shirik | (00:21:35) (@Shirik) reapply as computer engineer |
| 05:23.22 | Shirik | (00:22:05) * Disconnected |
| 05:23.25 | Amarande | namely, to encourage people to use the RAF system to buy and maintain a second account with which to play world of /followcraft |
| 05:23.35 | Shirik | nobin: It refreshes 60 times a second :P |
| 05:23.49 | nobin | how da ya know dat? |
| 05:24.12 | Shirik | ... |
| 05:24.22 | Shirik | I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'll be back when you start thinking again |
| 05:24.31 | nobin | what?? |
| 05:25.12 | nobin | shirik: I hate your entire species |
| 05:25.13 | squidbear | is there a bool func for whether you are targetting something? |
| 05:27.32 | Amarande | nobin: what, is Shirik a gnome now? |
| 05:27.39 | Amarande | or a murloc ... |
| 05:27.40 | Amarande | heh |
| 05:28.34 | Shirik | ok back |
| 05:28.40 | Shirik | Amarande: UnitExists("target") |
| 05:29.00 | nobin | no... a luigi |
| 05:29.16 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:29.23 | Shirik | sadly, most of them probably agree |
| 05:29.28 | Shirik | (those that have seen me) |
| 05:29.29 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk would |
| 05:29.59 | squidbear | waluigi >_> |
| 05:30.18 | Shirik | oh oops |
| 05:30.25 | Shirik | that "UnitExists("target")" was for you, squidbear |
| 05:30.37 | Mike-N-Go | Interesting. GetTradeSkillListLink() is not working correclty. |
| 05:30.37 | Shirik | I advise that you review the unit API |
| 05:30.49 | Mike-N-Go | For some links, it works. Others. Not so much. |
| 05:30.54 | Shirik | hey nobin, I have like 4 USB drives now |
| 05:30.57 | Shirik | perfect for testing |
| 05:31.05 | nobin | yeah i got one 2 |
| 05:31.08 | squidbear | I have the list in front of me...I was looking for like "IsTargeting" :P |
| 05:31.10 | Shirik | 5 if you count the one I had |
| 05:31.19 | nobin | have to find the usb interrupts though |
| 05:31.20 | Shirik | look for UnitExists() |
| 05:31.27 | squidbear | Yeah, found it now |
| 05:31.28 | Shirik | pretty much everything involving units will begin with Unit.... |
| 05:31.39 | squidbear | Good to know |
| 05:31.49 | Mike-N-Go | My mod, Who Crafts, scans the open craft window, then cashes the item and the link. I guess I'll just make the user shift click the link.. since GetTradeSkillListLink() does not seem to be working. |
| 05:32.03 | Shirik | oh, nobin, you'll get a kick out of this |
| 05:32.08 | Shirik | one thing my parents got me for christmas |
| 05:32.17 | Shirik | one year of maid service, rofl |
| 05:32.28 | nobin | what?? |
| 05:32.42 | nobin | like for your apartment? |
| 05:32.45 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:32.52 | nobin | no question you need it.... |
| 05:32.57 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:32.58 | nobin | but still weird |
| 05:33.06 | nobin | and probally expensive |
| 05:33.06 | Shirik | I thought it was funny |
| 05:33.19 | Shirik | nah, it's like one bedroom one living room |
| 05:33.23 | Shirik | have you ever even been in my apt? |
| 05:33.30 | nobin | yes |
| 05:33.31 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 05:33.34 | nobin | sadly.... |
| 05:33.35 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 05:33.37 | Shirik | it's tiny |
| 05:33.43 | Amarande | how was your holiday? :) |
| 05:33.44 | nobin | same as mine |
| 05:33.50 | nobin | minux one room and bathroom |
| 05:33.56 | nobin | minus |
| 05:34.02 | Shirik | "same as mine, just half the size" |
| 05:34.10 | nobin | minux is the linux version of minux |
| 05:34.14 | nobin | minus |
| 05:34.16 | nobin | damn it |
| 05:34.39 | nobin | same layout, i meant |
| 05:34.59 | nobin | one of my roomates turns 21 over the break |
| 05:35.21 | nobin | the other roomate wants him to buy booze already |
| 05:35.51 | Shirik | uh |
| 05:35.58 | Shirik | he probably wants to just so he can drink it |
| 05:35.59 | Corr-work | alcohol is not some holy grail |
| 05:36.18 | Thunder_Child | a friend is turning 21 soon, but instead of strippers and booze, he gets an ice skating party |
| 05:36.29 | Shirik | he doesn't want to buy HIM the drink, he wants to buy it for himself, with an excuse |
| 05:37.12 | nobin | no |
| 05:37.44 | nobin | will will only drink alcohol if it is free and in massive quanties |
| 05:38.05 | nobin | did i tell you bout the party he went to? |
| 05:38.06 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:38.09 | Shirik | no |
| 05:38.29 | nobin | he drink a bottle of jim bean by himself |
| 05:38.41 | nobin | ran 3 laps round the block |
| 05:39.10 | nobin | puked on all three neibors porches, the guys porch and on a couple |
| 05:39.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: poor bastard |
| 05:39.47 | nobin | made out with 4 people: 2 white chicks, 1 black chick and a gy |
| 05:39.49 | nobin | guy |
| 05:40.16 | nobin | and then woke up in the basement shirtless on a mattress surrounded by chairs |
| 05:40.23 | Shirik | oh right |
| 05:40.26 | Shirik | you did tell me this |
| 05:40.42 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, i know...if we are lucky it will turn into nudes on ice...i am doubting it though |
| 05:40.46 | nobin | and he asks me why i don't want him to drink in the apartment |
| 05:41.04 | Tekkub | sounds like a real winner there |
| 05:41.13 | nobin | yeah... |
| 05:41.20 | Shirik | yeah I kinda avoid him |
| 05:41.21 | nobin | he's from wyoming |
| 05:41.45 | Shirik | he also does other things which get people insta-banned from this channel |
| 05:41.46 | Tekkub | ah wyoming explains everything |
| 05:43.21 | Amarande | I quit drinking the other day pretty much, apart from holiday wine |
| 05:43.26 | squidbear | Is addon memory usage based mostly on events? |
| 05:43.42 | Shirik | mostly variable usage |
| 05:43.53 | squidbear | oh really? |
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| 05:44.43 | Tekkub | define "memory usage" :P |
| 05:44.53 | Tekkub | onload, or during execution? |
| 05:45.09 | squidbear | execution |
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| 05:45.28 | Tekkub | then yes, variables, mostly tables and closures and abuse thereof |
| 05:45.36 | Tekkub | and strings to an extent |
| 05:45.45 | Shirik|Ghost | (00:43:44) (@Shirik) Amarande: I had this amazing wine for christmas, Grandfather got it from Germany |
| 05:45.47 | Shirik|Ghost | (00:43:49) (@Shirik) it was an "Ice Wine"? |
| 05:45.57 | Shirik|Ghost | (00:44:40) * Disconnected |
| 05:45.59 | Shirik|Ghost | especially tables imo :) |
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| 05:46.08 | squidbear | so stay away from variable usage if you can? |
| 05:46.09 | Tekkub | Eiswine is like fucking white grape juice |
| 05:46.14 | Shirik|Ghost | oh |
| 05:46.18 | Tekkub | except hideously expensive |
| 05:46.20 | squidbear | mmm I don't like the word usage... |
| 05:46.20 | Shirik|Ghost | ise that what it was |
| 05:46.27 | Shirik|Ghost | I didn't see it spelled, lol |
| 05:46.47 | squidbear | omg he's back from the dead |
| 05:46.48 | Shirik | It was really, REALLY sweet |
| 05:46.51 | squidbear | D: |
| 05:46.55 | Tekkub | stay away from declaring tables, functions and string more than you need |
| 05:47.01 | Shirik | definitely only a desert wine |
| 05:47.06 | Shirik | dessert* |
| 05:47.24 | Tekkub | yea eiswise is, especially since it comes in tiny bottles |
| 05:47.37 | Tekkub | you don't drink a "swig" of wine with dinner |
| 05:48.10 | Tekkub | man you're making me want to go get me some chockcherry wine |
| 05:48.11 | Tekkub | ass |
| 05:48.41 | Amarande | Tekkub: better not drive, then |
| 05:48.46 | Amarande | driving under stress wastes gas :) |
| 05:49.15 | Tekkub | aside from you watching mythbusters reruns today... what does that have to do with anything? |
| 05:49.29 | Tekkub | also, *chokecherry |
| 05:50.12 | squidbear | hmm... |
| 05:50.13 | squidbear | if event == ("UNIT_TARGET") then targetFrame:Show(true) |
| 05:50.21 | squidbear | yes/no? |
| 05:50.42 | Amarande | heh |
| 05:50.46 | Amarande | me watching mythbusters reruns |
| 05:50.51 | Amarande | yeah, that's about the ticket :) |
| 05:50.52 | Tekkub | dude, if you're going to get anal about memory use, learn what wastes memory :P |
| 05:51.00 | Tekkub | otherwise just write shit |
| 05:51.14 | squidbear | no...I mean...will that work? :P |
| 05:51.25 | squidbear | for showing/hiding the frame only when a unit is targetted |
| 05:51.27 | Tekkub | Amarande, we watched that ep today whilst bored |
| 05:51.46 | Amarande | time to open a cannon steak diner? LOL |
| 05:51.46 | Tekkub | squidbear, if it's not a secure frame, and you don't need the true |
| 05:51.53 | Tekkub | and you don't need to ask, go try it in game |
| 05:52.06 | Tekkub | actually, time to go nuke leftovers! |
| 05:52.37 | nobin | Shirik: vid mem is not at 0x0B00:0x0000 |
| 05:52.52 | Shirik | I said physical address 0xB0000 |
| 05:53.00 | nobin | which that is |
| 05:53.02 | Shirik | and 0xB8000 |
| 05:53.11 | Shirik | You just told me yesterday segments weren't 16 bytes long |
| 05:53.15 | nobin | 0x0B00:0x8000 |
| 05:53.30 | nobin | no, there 64KB |
| 05:53.35 | nobin | 16 bits |
| 05:53.38 | Shirik | right |
| 05:53.43 | Shirik | but they overlap every 16 bytes |
| 05:53.52 | nobin | ??? |
| 05:53.56 | nobin | no |
| 05:54.06 | nobin | there are but to but |
| 05:54.07 | Shirik | ok I'm going to do a test tomorrow |
| 05:54.16 | nobin | i already have |
| 05:54.16 | Shirik | and if they really overlap every 16 bytes, I'm going to kill you |
| 05:54.24 | nobin | i put a bitmap in memory |
| 05:54.37 | nobin | according to you, that bitmap would override the code loading it |
| 05:54.49 | Shirik | huh? |
| 05:54.58 | Shirik | Anyway we deal with this tomorrow, I need to work on this stuff :P |
| 05:55.08 | nobin | what stuff? |
| 05:55.19 | Tekkub | is it bad that the cheap ham was a lot better than the "prime rib" |
| 05:55.27 | Shirik | I had good prime rib too |
| 05:55.38 | nobin | i had rat meat |
| 05:56.15 | nobin | Shirik: ok, tomorrow..... but i am right |
| 05:56.27 | Tekkub | or that my sister that hosted only made frozen-hashbrowns potato thingy, while my sister that's bee fighting with my mother because she has 3 teenagers and no money, was the one that brought prime rib for 15 people |
| 05:56.47 | Tekkub | and russel stover's boxes... I want to know where she stole those |
| 05:57.04 | nobin|Hibernatin | damn it |
| 05:57.10 | nobin|Hibernatin | stupid cutoff |
| 06:00.18 | Tekkub | I got the endpiece of the ham |
| 06:00.20 | Tekkub | SCORE |
| 06:00.39 | Shirik | uh |
| 06:00.41 | Shirik | grats? |
| 06:00.46 | Shirik | Are you on IRC while eating dinner? |
| 06:00.53 | Tekkub | the skin's the best damn part |
| 06:00.58 | Tekkub | leftovers |
| 06:01.12 | Shirik | I didn't like our ham |
| 06:01.15 | Thunder_Child | you make me sick Tekkub |
| 06:01.17 | Shirik | prime rib, though, was amazing |
| 06:01.20 | Thunder_Child | sick i say |
| 06:01.29 | Tekkub | was it that honeybaked shit |
| 06:01.38 | Tekkub | I don't know why people pay for that crap |
| 06:01.40 | Shirik | I'm not sure who it was but it was too dry for my tastes |
| 06:02.04 | Tekkub | nah, honeybaked's like sickening-sweet |
| 06:02.12 | Tekkub | dry ham sucks though |
| 06:02.26 | Tekkub | our prime rib was a bit gristly in spots |
| 06:02.42 | Tekkub | and tough, she didn't cook it long enough |
| 06:03.27 | Thunder_Child | in defence of 'her' Tekkub, next time you stand around cooking it for 8 hours |
| 06:03.50 | Tekkub | pfft |
| 06:04.01 | Tekkub | I didn't even want to go |
| 06:04.06 | Tekkub | they bribed me with food |
| 06:04.22 | Amarande | Tekkub, you should have had the mythbusters folks deal with your steak first |
| 06:06.06 | Tekkub | dude, it was more the gristle that sucked than the toughness |
| 06:06.15 | Tekkub | cannon don't fix gristle |
| 06:06.33 | Shirik | cannon? |
| 06:06.37 | squidbear | why does this take so long to execute every time? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105045 |
| 06:06.40 | Tekkub | cannon |
| 06:06.43 | Shirik | You cook with artillery? We tend to use an oven |
| 06:06.54 | Tekkub | god Shirik lern2mythbust |
| 06:07.05 | Shirik | I haven't been able to watch that show recently :( |
| 06:07.20 | Tekkub | this was like, a year ago damnit |
| 06:07.28 | Tekkub | I'm only like 14 eps behind |
| 06:07.39 | Shirik | squidbear: Define "long to execute" |
| 06:07.51 | Shirik | Tekkub: By "recently" I mean like "in 2 yearsish" |
| 06:07.52 | squidbear | More than 1 second |
| 06:07.54 | Tekkub | 13 inches! |
| 06:08.01 | Shirik | are you sure it does, squidbear? |
| 06:08.37 | squidbear | Yes. Compared to the normal unitframes there is significant delay time between targetting/clearing and the frame showing/hiding |
| 06:09.05 | Tekkub | yea you eyeball can't profile code buddy |
| 06:09.31 | Tekkub | that's how long it takes till your event fires |
| 06:09.51 | squidbear | hm? |
| 06:10.10 | Shirik | isn't UNIT_TARGET the global target event? |
| 06:10.17 | Tekkub | your code doesn't take that long to run, it takes that long before the event fires |
| 06:10.19 | Shirik | there's a special one for player's target, no? |
| 06:10.20 | Tekkub | no |
| 06:10.29 | Tekkub | Shirik, yes |
| 06:10.56 | squidbear | hmm...let me look |
| 06:11.07 | squidbear | PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED? |
| 06:11.12 | Shirik | that's it |
| 06:11.17 | Tekkub | sounds better |
| 06:11.28 | squidbear | so what was the other one checking? |
| 06:11.42 | Tekkub | when a unit's target changes |
| 06:12.13 | squidbear | so an arbitrary unit? |
| 06:12.25 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:12.32 | squidbear | ah much faster now :) |
| 06:12.37 | Shirik | which, for efficiency reasons, doesn't fire as quickly |
| 06:12.53 | Shirik | (and/or latency) |
| 06:13.00 | squidbear | makes sense |
| 06:13.07 | Tekkub | I think it's less efficiency, and more "when the server tells me someone's target changed" |
| 06:13.15 | Tekkub | the player one knows your local actions |
| 06:13.19 | Tekkub | UNIT_ doesn't |
| 06:13.22 | Shirik | yeah but the server won't tell you that instantly |
| 06:13.32 | Shirik | I think it tries to send you a bunch of notices at once |
| 06:13.39 | Shirik | but maybe it's just purely latency |
| 06:13.41 | Tekkub | of course, you got round-trip bare minimum there |
| 06:14.17 | Tekkub | still beats scanning "party"..i.."target" in an onupdate |
| 06:14.30 | squidbear | >.< |
| 06:14.42 | Amarande | holy shit, how did I sell stacks of Serpent Flesh for over 40g? |
| 06:14.47 | squidbear | o_O |
| 06:14.48 | Amarande | I don't even remember putting them up on AH for that much |
| 06:15.03 | Tekkub | typo + stupid person == profit! |
| 06:15.04 | squidbear | you miser |
| 06:15.24 | Amarande | Tekkub: heh |
| 06:15.31 | Amarande | I tend to be a slave to auctioneer, for the most part |
| 06:15.43 | Amarande | squidbear: I'm not even halfway to a dalaran ring yet |
| 06:16.10 | Tekkub | man, the presents having !'s makes it like, no fun trying to find shit to open |
| 06:16.22 | squidbear | lol |
| 06:16.50 | Amarande | Tekkub, would you really rather it be a usual cog icon? |
| 06:16.54 | Amarande | I can just imagine that |
| 06:17.08 | Tekkub | "back in my day, we had to zoom in and hover over every present |
| 06:17.24 | Amarande | "I can't loot that right now." "I can't loot that right now." "I can't loot that right now." "I can't ..." AAAAAGGGHHHHHHH NOW I SHALL BE KNOWN AS SCROOGE |
| 06:17.39 | Amarande | it reminds me of how I was always the last one somehow to be able to loot my badges from the chess event in kara |
| 06:17.56 | Amarande | every time I would try to loot the thing before everyone else was all done, I'd manage to be just a bit after someone and "I can't loot that right now" |
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| 06:34.41 | Shirik | rofl, I disconnected and wanted to say "thumbs up" to pandora, so I was curious to see what would happen and hit it anyway |
| 06:34.46 | Shirik | it's very apologetic |
| 06:34.52 | Shirik | "I'm sorry, I had a small problem while saving your feedback. It's my fault." |
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| 06:35.39 | squidbear | how can I get my frames to be pushed down by databroker bars? |
| 06:35.55 | squidbear | is it some parent relationship? |
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| 06:46.04 | Tekkub | preserved holly, what a waste of an item |
| 06:47.06 | squidbear | better than fresh holly :P |
| 06:47.19 | Tekkub | no, worse, the fresh crap goes away |
| 06:49.45 | squidbear | anyone know what the blizzard target frame is called? |
| 06:49.50 | squidbear | or how I can find it out? |
| 06:50.21 | Iriel | Did you install DevTools yet? |
| 06:50.42 | squidbear | devtools... |
| 06:50.52 | Iriel | ~devtools |
| 06:50.53 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 06:51.03 | squidbear | looks purdy |
| 06:51.22 | Iriel | install that, then /dtframestack |
| 06:51.26 | Iriel | OR, read the blizzard code |
| 06:51.54 | Iriel | (or better yet, both!) |
| 06:52.17 | squidbear | crazytalk! |
| 06:53.36 | squidbear | what does the orange mean for a frame? |
| 06:54.28 | Tekkub | you've used all your quests for the day |
| 06:54.38 | Tekkub | come back at 2AM when dailies reset |
| 06:55.02 | squidbear | lmao |
| 06:56.12 | Iriel | I believe that yellow/orange means it can accept mouse clicks (i.e. it's not a purely visual frame) |
| 07:03.07 | squidbear | O_o when somebody casts something it counts as PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED? |
| 07:03.23 | squidbear | or is the target frame just disappearing at random... |
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| 07:05.49 | squidbear | actually I think maybe it's combat. |
| 07:09.48 | Iriel | night all |
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| 07:15.07 | Tekkub | ah I love my mothers breaking the PVR I made them |
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| 07:15.38 | Tekkub | "it locks up" ... runs fine for me... turns into "it's all staticy and I know the signal was fine" |
| 07:15.48 | Tekkub | so I copy off the two shows she watched... |
| 07:16.05 | Tekkub | one locks up my media player hardcore, the other is recorded *with static* |
| 07:17.13 | Tekkub | *sigh* so the PVR goes back, with a warning to stop screwing with her splitters (comcast trying to fix cable net, prolly fucked up TV) |
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| 08:07.54 | squidbear | anyone up still? |
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| 08:17.02 | ReAn | what do you need squidbear |
| 08:17.33 | squidbear | I'm making a replacement unit frame for player and target |
| 08:17.50 | squidbear | But something is causing the target to become deselected |
| 08:18.05 | squidbear | And I can't figure out what it is |
| 08:18.42 | ReAn | you catching PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED? |
| 08:18.53 | squidbear | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105048 |
| 08:19.25 | squidbear | and if you have any pointers for how to clean up that code I'm all ears :P |
| 08:19.35 | ReAn | use oUF! |
| 08:19.36 | ReAn | lol |
| 08:19.38 | ReAn | j/k |
| 08:19.41 | squidbear | :P |
| 08:20.03 | linear` | u know |
| 08:20.14 | linear` | u can just do RegisterUnitWatch and it'll autohide/show for u |
| 08:20.41 | squidbear | o_O |
| 08:21.23 | squidbear | example? |
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| 08:23.12 | linear` | SecureUnitButton_OnLoad(eventFrame,"target"); RegisterUnitWatch(eventFrame) |
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| 08:23.42 | linear` | well then ud have to make the frame a button and inherit SecureUnitButtonTemplate |
| 08:24.28 | squidbear | why would I want it to be a button...? |
| 08:24.31 | squidbear | XP |
| 08:24.57 | linear` | just so u can make it work with registerunitwatch |
| 08:25.49 | squidbear | hmm ok |
| 08:25.58 | squidbear | thanks |
| 08:28.28 | linear` | why do u have a if event == "UNIT_HEALTH" inside your player_target_changed |
| 08:28.46 | linear` | it'll never reach that |
| 08:35.38 | Cidan | eventFrame:RegisterEvent("UNIT_HEALTH") |
| 08:35.43 | Cidan | oh |
| 08:35.44 | Cidan | hah |
| 08:35.51 | Cidan | too true |
| 08:35.53 | Cidan | nm |
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| 08:37.36 | linear` | and uh u might want to check what unit UNIT_HEALTH is updating for to update your target instead of always updating the player frame |
| 08:47.57 | Cidan | why? |
| 08:48.22 | nobin-|KIA | made a semented memory browser in assembly using bios interrupts |
| 08:48.44 | Cidan | what OS? |
| 08:48.49 | nobin-|KIA | none |
| 08:48.59 | Cidan | just in asm? |
| 08:49.06 | nobin-|KIA | it is part of a boot loader me and shirik are making |
| 08:49.09 | nobin-|KIA | so yes |
| 08:49.10 | Cidan | ah |
| 08:49.20 | nobin-|KIA | it's been fun |
| 08:49.25 | Cidan | I imagine |
| 08:49.26 | nobin-|KIA | and very educational |
| 08:51.10 | Cidan | I'm assuming you mean segmented; what is the loader for? |
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| 08:52.45 | nobin-|KIA | i made my own bitmap displayer earlier |
| 08:52.45 | nobin-|KIA | did you know the .bmp file format has the rows of the image inverted? |
| 08:52.45 | nobin-|KIA | not sure why |
| 08:52.47 | nobin-|KIA | but anyways, i am off to the sack |
| 08:54.36 | Cidan | yes, upside down as it were |
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| 09:24.27 | ReAn | dont we all? |
| 09:27.33 | iewnait | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:34.04 | Fisker- | it's Antiarc get him! |
| 11:34.13 | Antiarc | http://www.advertka.ru/files/6446_1228420284.jpg |
| 11:34.52 | Fisker- | batman vs. darth vader? |
| 11:35.21 | Antiarc | No no |
| 11:35.26 | Antiarc | Batman x Darth Vader |
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| 11:36.22 | selckin | batman <3 darth vader |
| 11:38.56 | Wobin | it's embarassing being the OT |
| 11:39.05 | Wobin | when the tank has 44k health |
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| 11:40.46 | selckin | druids don't count |
| 11:41.21 | selckin | ask your healers if they like healing the 50k hp druids or 38k hp warrior |
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| 12:32.38 | Wobin | http://www.flickr.com/photos/30938059@N08/3138233852/ |
| 12:32.41 | Wobin | yay |
| 12:32.46 | Wobin | after... 4 attempts |
| 12:33.51 | cbreak | I thought flickr is for photos |
| 12:34.03 | selckin | you wiped in wintergrasp? |
| 12:34.31 | Wobin | meh, we barely made the dps requirement =) |
| 12:34.33 | selckin | thats just lol. |
| 12:34.42 | Wobin | our first try at him, anyway |
| 12:34.58 | Wobin | sorry we're not as utterly l33t as you =) |
| 12:34.59 | Fisker- | thorns of grey and titans of grey? :E |
| 12:35.03 | cbreak | On my server he's regularly pugged |
| 12:35.19 | selckin | its the most easy boss in the game |
| 12:35.33 | Wobin | but you need the dps |
| 12:35.45 | cbreak | does he enrage? |
| 12:35.49 | selckin | level 70 dps is enough |
| 12:35.50 | Wobin | yeah |
| 12:35.51 | Wobin | 5min |
| 12:36.03 | Wobin | selckin: er, no =) |
| 12:36.12 | cbreak | didn't know that :/ we always killed him quite fast |
| 12:36.19 | selckin | ~2k dps ? |
| 12:36.20 | Wobin | everyone that dpss needs at least 1k |
| 12:36.37 | selckin | anyone below 1k dps is just /point /laugh /gkick |
| 12:36.40 | Wobin | the number of 70s with 2k dps is very minimal =P |
| 12:36.45 | selckin | 1k dps at level 70 was bad. |
| 12:36.50 | Wobin | see, selckin, we actually -like- our guildmembers |
| 12:37.01 | Wobin | and enjoy talking to them and socialising |
| 12:37.07 | Wobin | we don't kick them for not being hardcore |
| 12:37.12 | Wobin | cause that's just fucked in the head |
| 12:37.14 | selckin | well, just /notinviteagain |
| 12:37.20 | Wobin | uhuh |
| 12:37.26 | selckin | it's a game |
| 12:37.29 | Wobin | yeees |
| 12:37.33 | Wobin | it's a game you -enjoy- |
| 12:37.34 | selckin | you should know howto play it by now |
| 12:37.57 | Wobin | and so, someone who levelled from 58 should have all BT gear? |
| 12:38.06 | cbreak | I have about 1.5k dps in naxx gear |
| 12:38.27 | Wobin | just because you're a hardarse about being hardcore doesn't mean everyone else is |
| 12:38.56 | Wobin | we're only just starting in Naxx |
| 12:39.11 | Wobin | so I'm sorry we're not quite progressed enough for you =P |
| 12:39.20 | selckin | 1k dps is afk |
| 12:39.25 | Wobin | yeah |
| 12:39.26 | selckin | pressing a button every 15 seconds |
| 12:39.31 | selckin | instead of playing the game |
| 12:39.36 | Wobin | see |
| 12:39.37 | cbreak | not really selckin. |
| 12:39.44 | Wobin | I don't think you actually -enjoy- this game =P |
| 12:39.53 | Wobin | it's too much of a competition |
| 12:40.05 | Wobin | ZOMG NOT ENUF DPS I WON'T BE UR FRIEND |
| 12:40.09 | cbreak | 1k dps is shooting a 2.5k frostbolt every 2.5 seconds |
| 12:40.18 | Wobin | standing still |
| 12:40.21 | Wobin | not moving |
| 12:40.21 | Fisker- | someone just attempted to assasinate me! |
| 12:40.30 | selckin | proper pve spec doesn't use frostbolt |
| 12:41.08 | cbreak | you have no clue... |
| 12:41.22 | selckin | well none of our 5k dps mages use frostbolt |
| 12:41.24 | selckin | and yeah i have no clue |
| 12:41.28 | selckin | never played a mage |
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| 12:41.54 | cbreak | it's like saying shadow priests have no place in pve |
| 12:42.09 | cbreak | every tree is useful. |
| 12:42.43 | selckin | and the optimal tree is the one giving the most raid dps boost |
| 12:42.54 | selckin | anything else is just wasting the other ppl's time |
| 12:43.03 | cbreak | incorrect |
| 12:43.24 | cbreak | there's more than dps in a raid |
| 12:43.31 | Wobin | see, this is why I prefer not to be in a hardcore guild |
| 12:43.31 | Fisker- | comfort me :E |
| 12:43.37 | selckin | cbreak: like? |
| 12:43.39 | Wobin | I want to play the way -I- want to play |
| 12:43.53 | cbreak | healing, tanking, crowd control, endurance |
| 12:43.56 | cbreak | survival |
| 12:44.00 | selckin | you're a dps class .. |
| 12:44.03 | cbreak | mobility |
| 12:44.12 | selckin | cc in wrath is lol. |
| 12:44.15 | Wobin | Your job is to stand still and press a button over and over |
| 12:44.20 | Wobin | I can do that at work =P |
| 12:44.24 | cbreak | cc is the most powerful ability |
| 12:44.33 | cbreak | you can't win a fight without controling it |
| 12:44.40 | cbreak | and cc helps with that |
| 12:44.44 | selckin | name 1 encounter where cc is usefull |
| 12:44.53 | selckin | we pull like 3 trash packs in naxx 25 :\ |
| 12:44.56 | cbreak | faerlina. |
| 12:45.11 | cbreak | malygios |
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| 12:45.23 | cbreak | anub |
| 12:45.27 | selckin | lol :· |
| 12:45.31 | cbreak | and so on |
| 12:45.41 | selckin | cc at malygos? |
| 12:45.43 | selckin | what? |
| 12:45.52 | cbreak | yeah. do you know the fight? |
| 12:46.08 | selckin | uh yeah |
| 12:46.09 | cbreak | the sparks that spawn are easily killed at the right spot when they are frozen in place |
| 12:46.19 | cbreak | or if a DK force pulls them |
| 12:46.55 | selckin | you either root them to kill em all together |
| 12:46.59 | selckin | or grip and kill |
| 12:47.03 | selckin | no cc involved |
| 12:47.04 | cbreak | yes |
| 12:47.07 | cbreak | exactly |
| 12:47.11 | cbreak | those are all cc |
| 12:47.18 | cbreak | they control the mobs. |
| 12:47.53 | selckin | none relevant to the discution tho |
| 12:48.18 | cbreak | the frost tree has deep freeze which I use on them some times |
| 12:48.26 | cbreak | also, frost bolt slows the sparks |
| 12:48.41 | cbreak | which helped in our earlier tries without DK |
| 12:50.08 | selckin | its just cover up |
| 12:50.30 | Wobin | It's all a conspiracy |
| 12:50.34 | Wobin | to offer the illusion of choice |
| 12:50.37 | selckin | serious busness |
| 12:50.41 | Wobin | when in reality, there is no choice |
| 12:50.43 | Wobin | there is only RAID |
| 12:50.57 | cbreak | RAID-0, RAID-5, RAID-9... |
| 12:51.01 | cbreak | so many choices. |
| 12:51.05 | selckin | choice is the illulion given by those with power to those without (or however theq uote goes) |
| 12:51.20 | selckin | raid is beaten :\ disks are too big now |
| 12:51.20 | Wobin | So anyway, go screw yourself selckin. I'm quite proud of my guild, at the level they're geared in what they achieved today. |
| 12:51.43 | selckin | Wobin: thanks for going from discussing to insulting,i win |
| 12:51.49 | Wobin | Just because they're not as well geared as your guild, doesn't demean their effort |
| 12:51.57 | Wobin | pft, you started it ages ago |
| 12:52.12 | Wobin | <selckin> you wiped in wintergrasp? <selckin> thats just lol. |
| 12:52.20 | cbreak | RAID is not for more storage |
| 12:52.21 | selckin | thats not an insult |
| 12:52.26 | cbreak | it's for more reliability |
| 12:52.33 | Wobin | Of course it's an insult |
| 12:52.44 | selckin | cbreak: the chance of a disk breaking while rebuilding the array becomes to high due to the size of the disks |
| 12:53.08 | cbreak | that's why you use disks from different vendors... |
| 12:53.24 | selckin | yes, that fixes everything |
| 12:53.29 | cbreak | no |
| 12:53.42 | cbreak | it decreases the probability for simultaneous breaks :) |
| 12:53.53 | selckin | not really |
| 12:53.57 | selckin | it's time in service that counts |
| 12:54.15 | cbreak | it always depends |
| 12:54.20 | cbreak | why do disks fail? |
| 12:54.34 | cbreak | hardware issue? mechanical? or is it related with the surface? |
| 12:54.42 | selckin | it eliminate a small percent thats neglectable if you use real test data |
| 12:56.22 | cbreak | what is rebuilding an array? It is reading all intact disks, and calculating the data that is supposed to be on the missing disks |
| 12:56.33 | cbreak | so all the intact disks have to endure is one more read. |
| 12:56.54 | selckin | diffrence betwean disk failing and bits getting flipped |
| 12:58.31 | cbreak | only if its close to death anyway |
| 12:59.09 | cbreak | I never had problems reading data from my hard disks, and I doubt that it's normal that they die when you try it |
| 13:00.12 | selckin | http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=162 |
| 13:00.19 | selckin | can't find the other article |
| 13:02.40 | cbreak | well, we're lucky |
| 13:02.42 | cbreak | it's 2008 |
| 13:02.46 | cbreak | so RAID is save! |
| 13:02.51 | cbreak | (safe?) |
| 13:03.23 | selckin | 5 days! |
| 13:03.27 | selckin | dooooomed |
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| 13:05.19 | cbreak | well, we can still use mirroring... :) |
| 13:06.04 | selckin | not untill we have filesystems like zfs |
| 13:06.30 | cbreak | well, we can already |
| 13:06.30 | selckin | none guarantee to actually write what you ask them or verify the data |
| 13:08.07 | cbreak | afaik, sata has checksums |
| 13:08.19 | cbreak | so the correct data should go from memory to the disk controler |
| 13:08.37 | cbreak | and the disk will try to write that correct data fragment |
| 13:08.38 | selckin | but you can't verify its correct when you read it out again |
| 13:09.02 | cbreak | you can _only_ verify it's correct if you read it out |
| 13:09.16 | selckin | it doesn't store the checksum |
| 13:09.22 | selckin | afaik |
| 13:09.23 | cbreak | it does |
| 13:09.30 | cbreak | disks store checksums of many things |
| 13:09.34 | selckin | show me |
| 13:09.46 | cbreak | that's how s.m.a.r.t can tell you how many read errors it encounters |
| 13:10.46 | cbreak | or how disks find out they have to swap in spare blocks for a bad block |
| 13:11.51 | cbreak | you can read up on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T. |
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| 13:13.21 | selckin | doesn't really says |
| 13:20.17 | cbreak | if you have powerpoint, check out this: http://www.mcs.vuw.ac.nz/courses/NWEN201/2008T1/Handouts/LectureNotes/HardDisk_08.ppt |
| 13:20.23 | cbreak | (I don't, so I used google's html thing) |
| 13:20.52 | cbreak | anyway, just try to think of ways to fix or even detect read errors on a hard disk without checksums :) |
| 13:21.56 | cbreak | of course, those checksums are out of reach for the OS/FS layer |
| 13:22.09 | cbreak | but they are there |
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| 15:12.29 | foxlit | Hm |
| 15:12.33 | foxlit | Oe <Renaissance> |
| 15:13.16 | mikma | wa? |
| 15:13.32 | foxlit | The name sounds familiar |
| 15:13.40 | foxlit | I wonder if someone is running a franchising service. |
| 15:13.47 | mikma | that's because it's me xD |
| 15:14.00 | foxlit | Or is it? |
| 15:14.14 | mikma | yes, it is ;) i can even SS to prove it njah njah |
| 15:14.23 | foxlit | SS or it didn't happen! |
| 15:14.53 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_122508_215628.jpg |
| 15:14.54 | mikma | lol |
| 15:16.39 | foxlit | How curious |
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| 15:30.39 | Industrial | Cairenn: Diao keeps spamming :< |
| 15:30.58 | Industrial | also, wtb good family guy streaming! familyguynow is all broken links for season 6 and 7 :( |
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| 16:00.24 | Fisker- | Diao is awesome |
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| 16:18.45 | mikma | anyone happens to know a dependancy-free timer library? |
| 16:22.40 | Gnarfoz | no, what's a dependancy? |
| 16:22.51 | mikma | ie. all of the ace-stuff |
| 16:23.32 | Gnarfoz | those are dependencies :P |
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| 16:23.45 | Gnarfoz | (uh oh spelling flames inc :P) |
| 16:24.17 | mikma | <- see me caring |
| 16:24.22 | mikma | back to my question |
| 16:25.47 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure but the ace3 libs should not be interdependent anymore |
| 16:25.59 | Gnarfoz | or not to the same degree as ace2 was, anyhoe |
| 16:26.01 | Gnarfoz | *anyhow |
| 16:26.13 | cbreak | I wrote my own timer library |
| 16:26.44 | cbreak | but it's old, and not efficient. you're better off writing yourself one :) |
| 16:26.51 | mikma | i got a small one too but i'm kinda looking for a one that uses table |
| 16:27.24 | mikma | http://mikma.pastey.net/105057 :I |
| 16:30.31 | Cide | though |
| 16:30.40 | Cide | why pcall myfunc |
| 16:31.11 | foxlit | Easier than putting self:SetScript(..., nil) above that line :) |
| 16:31.33 | Cide | with extra overhead, masked errors, yeah... |
| 16:31.38 | Cide | better in all aspects |
| 16:31.48 | foxlit | Hey, who said better. |
| 16:31.59 | Cide | I did |
| 16:35.44 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: since you seem to have written half of it: do I read the source of AceTimer-3.0 correctly as to it being not interdependent on any other Ace3 lib? |
| 16:36.30 | Cide | I'd stab a kitten if it was |
| 16:36.47 | Cide | what do you honestly need besides CreateFrame() and :SetScript() to make a timer? |
| 16:36.58 | foxlit | Why do you hate kittens, Cide? |
| 16:36.58 | Cide | and GetTime() obviously |
| 16:37.01 | foxlit | WHY?! |
| 16:37.05 | Gnarfoz | he hates everyone equally, foxlit |
| 16:37.08 | Cide | they wake me at night |
| 16:37.09 | Gnarfoz | and without reason, too :p |
| 16:37.18 | Cide | now that's a lie |
| 16:38.11 | Cide | I hate ace2 slightly more than everything/one else |
| 16:38.35 | foxlit | So when is the ace version of CT_Mod coming out? |
| 16:38.48 | Gnarfoz | I'd hope you'd hate CT_mod most of all |
| 16:38.49 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 16:39.27 | Cide | look for it around 20009 |
| 16:39.40 | Gnarfoz | is that a TOC number or a year |
| 16:39.41 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 16:40.29 | Cide | if it was a TOC number it'd already be released |
| 16:40.40 | foxlit | See, you've clearly been holding out on us! |
| 16:40.49 | foxlit | Now upload it already :) |
| 16:41.20 | Cide | nah. |
| 16:41.23 | Cide | you see |
| 16:41.26 | Cide | it was so efficient |
| 16:42.09 | foxlit | That it only runs on abaci? |
| 16:42.11 | Cide | it left so many cpu cycles to the rest of wow that the computer exploded |
| 16:42.23 | Cide | and I don't have a backup copy |
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| 16:55.08 | mikma | well, using a table in the timer is a good thing, that means you can have multiple timers running |
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| 18:31.13 | Shirik | So like |
| 18:31.23 | Shirik | does photobucket realize there are people that don't have 10Mbps connections in existence |
| 18:31.26 | Shirik | ? |
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| 18:32.36 | Administrator | hello |
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| 19:17.32 | Industrial | Shirik: 10? pff! 60 :D |
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| 19:25.19 | squidbear | How do I disable Blizzard's TargetFrame ? |
| 19:25.36 | leethal | TargetFrame:Hide(), and Hide() it OnShow, I guess |
| 19:26.28 | squidbear | Is there way to just completely disable it? |
| 19:26.35 | zenzelezz | not really |
| 19:26.56 | zenzelezz | been a while since I messed with anything like that; is it possible to SetParent() it to a hidden frame? |
| 19:27.17 | leethal | ah, that sounds a lot more sensible (if it's possible) |
| 19:27.32 | durcyn | you want :Hide(), :UnregisterAllEvents(), then set it's :Show() to a dummy function |
| 19:27.45 | durcyn | no need to get fancy |
| 19:28.33 | squidbear | How do you set Show() to a dummy function? >_> |
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| 19:29.08 | durcyn | TargetFrame:Show() = function() end |
| 19:29.16 | squidbear | oh...that's it? |
| 19:29.19 | durcyn | er, leave off the first parens |
| 19:30.31 | squidbear | Hmm it doesn't like TargetFrame:Show = function() end |
| 19:30.41 | squidbear | "function arg expected near '='" |
| 19:30.51 | Shirik | that's because it should be a . and not a |
| 19:30.52 | Shirik | : |
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| 19:31.03 | foxlit | Conclusion: I should get a cape. |
| 19:31.21 | durcyn | blah. yeah, period. fuck lua, etc. |
| 19:31.33 | zenzelezz | I wish media would stop using Hiroshima-nukes as a comparison of energy... if you need to compare to a bomb, use a modern hydrogen bomb or something at least |
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| 19:32.36 | Shirik | zenzelezz: How much destruction has a modern hydrogen bomb reigned? |
| 19:32.59 | Shirik | none; as a result, the general public will have no real way to tell how much that is |
| 19:33.02 | zenzelezz | Shirik: do you believe Joe Average knows how much energy the Hiroshima-nuke contained? |
| 19:33.11 | Shirik | They know how much destruction it caused |
| 19:33.19 | zenzelezz | same shit with "same height as X Eiffel towers" or "same weight as 30 goods wagons" |
| 19:33.21 | Shirik | that's the purpose of using it |
| 19:33.34 | Shirik | but at least you can visualize that |
| 19:33.38 | zenzelezz | Shirik: no, not in the energy comparisons I'm talking about |
| 19:33.40 | foxlit | Clearly, energy should be measured in Libraries of Congress / kilogram * meter |
| 19:34.08 | Shirik | screw kilogram meters |
| 19:34.12 | Shirik | newton seconds |
| 19:34.31 | Shirik | newton second squared? |
| 19:34.33 | Shirik | something like that |
| 19:34.35 | zenzelezz | I'm of the opinion they should just use proper units of measurement; or at least supply those in addition to their stupid comparisons |
| 19:34.56 | Shirik | I'm merely playing devil's advocate here, I can see why they would do that |
| 19:35.01 | foxlit | Shirik: not really, no |
| 19:35.07 | foxlit | Well, you got "Newton" right :) |
| 19:35.21 | Shirik | a newton is kgm/s^2 no? |
| 19:35.23 | zenzelezz | Shirik: I'm not objecting to what you say; I just have strrong opinons about this :-p |
| 19:35.25 | Shirik | so kgm == Ns^2 |
| 19:36.00 | foxlit | meh, I thought you were deriving energy units here :) |
| 19:36.24 | squidbear | mmm...what's the lua func that gets part of a string based on start/end? |
| 19:36.33 | squidbear | sub? |
| 19:37.41 | zenzelezz | when you "champion" Alliance Vanguard (as in you're not using any Champion tabards), do you only gain Vanguard reputation, or does it trickle down to Explorers' League and Frostborne too? |
| 19:37.59 | durcyn | zenzelezz: it does not spill over |
| 19:38.38 | durcyn | the only current way to raise reputation with those are the frost hold and steel gate daily quests, so enjoy your exalted reputation four months from now =P |
| 19:38.39 | zenzelezz | crap, thought so |
| 19:38.55 | selckin | like 1 daily per faction on those |
| 19:38.57 | selckin | i cba :\ |
| 19:39.09 | foxlit | steel gate what now? :) |
| 19:39.21 | durcyn | the flying machine one in northwest fjord |
| 19:39.35 | zenzelezz | fly and kill 8 gargoyles |
| 19:39.44 | zenzelezz | quick, but "far away" from Dalaran just for one quest |
| 19:41.02 | zenzelezz | lua> (21000+999+(12000-1153))/275 |
| 19:41.03 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: 119.44 |
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| 19:50.01 | squidbear | Does anyone know how to make a frame behaive like a unit target frame (i.e. rightclickable)? |
| 19:50.28 | zenzelezz | make it inherit UnitButtonTemplate and SetAttribute("unit", ...) it or something like that |
| 19:52.15 | squidbear | the secure template? |
| 19:52.41 | zenzelezz | probably. Might want to look at one of the unit frame addons to get a more appropriate idea :) |
| 19:52.46 | zenzelezz | but I think that's the basics |
| 19:52.48 | Arrowmaster | what do you want it to do |
| 19:52.54 | Arrowmaster | answer that first |
| 19:53.42 | squidbear | I'm making a simple unit frames replacement addon and I want my replacement frame to act as though it were the blizzard TargetFrame |
| 19:54.03 | squidbear | So when I right click, the same options should appear |
| 19:54.08 | Arrowmaster | then yes you need to use the secure frame templates |
| 19:57.38 | squidbear | do I use this? frame:SetAttribute("type", "menu") |
| 19:58.33 | squidbear | I'm trying to look at auF but that addon doesn't seem too useful D: |
| 19:59.35 | Arrowmaster | kinda |
| 19:59.59 | Arrowmaster | its setup by default from SecureUnitButton_OnLoad |
| 20:01.09 | Arrowmaster | but im not sure if thats called by default |
| 20:02.41 | Shirik | ...... wtf did I do |
| 20:04.09 | Arrowmaster | either i dont understand something about this or i found a bug |
| 20:04.28 | squidbear | I have the inheritence correct, I believe. But I can't figure out how to get the menu to display :\ |
| 20:05.40 | Arrowmaster | squidbear: have you looked at the FrameXML files? |
| 20:05.40 | squidbear | Yes |
| 20:05.40 | Shirik | I hit "step into" while debugging an application. The green lines and arrows indicate "This is the next line to execute." I think it's confused. http://images.gammatester.com/pics/5a2e3e5482fa7219fc4924ac0e93133b.jpg |
| 20:05.43 | Arrowmaster | look at SecureTemplates.lua, line 388 |
| 20:05.58 | Arrowmaster | and TargetFrame.lua, line 40 |
| 20:06.32 | Arrowmaster | im not sure if its possible to do it without breaking the 'Set Focus' option |
| 20:06.49 | Arrowmaster | but thats probably a known bug |
| 20:07.09 | foxlit | Failbeans, Shirik? |
| 20:07.16 | Shirik | yeah pretty much |
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| 20:14.19 | squidbear | Arrowmaster, so I would need to make an onload frame? |
| 20:14.35 | Arrowmaster | are you creating your frame in xml or lua? |
| 20:14.38 | squidbear | lua |
| 20:14.46 | Arrowmaster | you dont need to |
| 20:14.56 | squidbear | oh... |
| 20:15.21 | squidbear | but I can't just use SecureUnitButton_OnLoad() directly... |
| 20:15.26 | squidbear | can I? |
| 20:15.32 | Arrowmaster | you can |
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| 20:16.12 | Arrowmaster | but like i said, im not sure but unless im missing something theres no way to do it without breaking the 'set focus' option in the dropdown |
| 20:16.33 | Arrowmaster | if there is a way to do it then no you couldnt call SecureUnitButton_OnLoad directly |
| 20:17.37 | squidbear | Hmm |
| 20:23.12 | Arrowmaster | but yes after you do CreateFrame() you can call SecureUnitButton_OnLoad(frame, "target", func), but youll need to create a func first that does the same thing as line 37 of TargetFrame.lua |
| 20:23.49 | Arrowmaster | but replace "TargetFrame" with the name of your own frame |
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| 20:27.36 | squidbear | So call it like... SecureUnitButton_OnLoad(targetFrame, "target", showmenu) |
| 20:27.38 | squidbear | ? |
| 20:30.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 20:31.02 | squidbear | No errors, but no menu either. |
| 20:33.03 | Arrowmaster | you did create a showmenu function right? |
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| 20:33.39 | squidbear | yes |
| 20:34.41 | Arrowmaster | i can take a closer look at it if you want to put it on wowuidev.pastey.net |
| 20:34.45 | squidbear | ok |
| 20:36.27 | squidbear | Arrowmaster, http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105065 |
| 20:38.01 | Arrowmaster | found it |
| 20:38.03 | Arrowmaster | local targetFrame = CreateFrame("Button", nil, UIParent, "SecureUnitButtonTemplate") |
| 20:38.16 | Arrowmaster | you need to give it a name instead of leaving it nil |
| 20:38.31 | squidbear | oh. |
| 20:38.38 | squidbear | why is that? |
| 20:38.47 | Arrowmaster | the dropdown code is rather shitty and depends on global frame names |
| 20:38.58 | Arrowmaster | ToggleDropDownMenu(1, nil, TargetFrameDropDown, "targetFrame", 120, 10); |
| 20:39.08 | Arrowmaster | thats what the "targetFrame" is in that |
| 20:39.19 | squidbear | oh ok, I'll give it a try |
| 20:39.32 | Arrowmaster | odd that it didnt error though |
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| 20:46.06 | squidbear | Arrowmaster, still no workey :( |
| 20:46.17 | zenzelezz | this Iron Boot Flask makes me wonder if I should've rolled dwarf |
| 20:46.41 | Arrowmaster | squidbear: hmm not quite sure then |
| 20:47.32 | durcyn | zenzelezz: why roll dwarf when you can be one once an hour anyway? ;) |
| 20:48.19 | foxlit | besides, flask skin > dwarves. |
| 20:49.20 | Tekkub | because beards are wonderful? |
| 20:54.33 | foxlit | Hm, levelling fishing is going to take an eternity |
| 20:56.34 | squidbear | Anyone else want to try and help me figure out why the ShowMenu function isn't working? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/105066 |
| 21:01.13 | durcyn | squidbear: crib from some other unit frame.. oUF would be a good one |
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| 21:06.01 | matt1s | I just received the explorer title, but I still get xp for exploring some places while I fly. Does those areas show up on any map? |
| 21:06.36 | leethal | gotta love 3500 LOC files |
| 21:07.00 | leethal | and a neat 2500 LOC xml |
| 21:07.04 | nevcairiel | no, some small subzones are not bound to map textures, and explorer title only requires you to unlock the map |
| 21:07.51 | matt1s | nevcairiel: okay, too bad. I am 400xp from level and I had a plan to ding 80 while doing something stupid |
| 21:08.11 | nevcairiel | well you still get XP |
| 21:08.16 | nevcairiel | so just walk around and hope |
| 21:08.17 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 21:08.25 | squidbear | or grind a little bit... :P |
| 21:08.26 | matt1s | I was going to dismount right before I enter the area, ding while freefalling and probably die |
| 21:08.56 | cncfanatics | dinging actualy resets the fall dmg counter |
| 21:09.17 | matt1s | which would be a fantastic surprise :-) |
| 21:09.18 | nevcairiel | not if you ding mid-air |
| 21:09.41 | squidbear | what if you ding 1/4-air? |
| 21:09.51 | cncfanatics | I dinged mid-air from a stupidly high distance and didn't die a while ago |
| 21:10.26 | matt1s | too bad I did the exploration stuff, it would've been a great ding if I got the exploration title too |
| 21:10.36 | Tekkub | heh, makes sense since it resets HP/MP |
| 21:11.02 | matt1s | I'm going to have someone kill something while I dismount in my team |
| 21:11.17 | matt1s | and see what happens! |
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| 21:14.40 | matt1s | what would be a really stupid way to ding level 80? I just have 400xp left |
| 21:15.02 | foxlit | kill a mob. |
| 21:15.11 | foxlit | That'd be really, really stupid. |
| 21:16.23 | ZorbaTHut | matt, I managed to ding 20 off the entrance to Ironforge. Exploration is always awesome. |
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| 21:17.09 | matt1s | I wish I could ding on Hogger |
| 21:17.19 | Fisker- | owned ZorbaTHut |
| 21:17.33 | foxlit | You know what, you should do the Ogri'la attunement with me! |
| 21:17.34 | cncfanatics | ~fail Fisker- |
| 21:17.35 | purl | Fisker-: FAIL! |
| 21:23.52 | Fisker- | but instead of a trout it's actually season greetings |
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| 21:36.13 | squidbear | how do you get the units faction? |
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| 21:59.08 | zenzelezz | squidbear: what do you mean by faction? |
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| 22:04.44 | Thunder_Child | faction zenzelezz....faction |
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| 22:09.11 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: there's faction as in "Horde/Alliance" and faction as in "Argent Dawn, Cenarion Circle, etc." |
| 22:11.07 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, wouldnt they be on the same ID since they would never overlap? |
| 22:11.57 | zenzelezz | ID? |
| 22:13.03 | Thunder_Child | or query return...w/e |
| 22:13.50 | Cheatcakes | how do I change the order of layers such that my chat shows above my frames? |
| 22:14.44 | zenzelezz | Cheatcakes: I'm not sure what you mean exactly; you should place things in the appropriate layer from the start... but you might use frame strata |
| 22:15.32 | Cheatcakes | k I'll look into it, thx |
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| 22:18.56 | Cheatcakes | zenzelezz: Thanks, frameStrata="BACKGROUND" worked the way I wanted :) |
| 22:20.00 | devZero | I'm writing some code to keep track of looted data, and the mobs the loot came from... my problem is depending on lag, click to loot mobA, click to loot mobB but as you click mobB the loot window opens for mobA... the result is the loot from mobA is now associated with mobB |
| 22:20.13 | squidbear | zenzelezz, I mean like alliance vs. horde |
| 22:20.23 | squidbear | I want to color code my frames |
| 22:20.31 | squidbear | Or perhaps enemy vs. ally? |
| 22:20.34 | devZero | I hope that makes sense.. but I was hoping someone else might have some insight to a solution |
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| 22:26.17 | zenzelezz | squidbear: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitFactionGroup |
| 22:26.36 | squidbear | ohh thank you |
| 22:26.55 | Cheatcakes | how do I show an image but crop it to the size of a frame? |
| 22:27.35 | nevcairiel | SetTexCoord will probably help you |
| 22:27.57 | nevcairiel | you can define which area of the frame to show |
| 22:28.03 | nevcairiel | er, of the texture |
| 22:28.25 | Cheatcakes | alright, I'll give that a shot |
| 22:34.41 | squidbear | If I were to write targetFrame:SetBackdropBorderColor(factionColor) |
| 22:34.51 | squidbear | what would factionColor look like? |
| 22:35.01 | squidbear | would it be factionColor = {1, 0, 1, 0.5} |
| 22:35.05 | squidbear | or no brackets? |
| 22:35.36 | zenzelezz | don't think it'd accept a table |
| 22:35.45 | squidbear | So how would I do it |
| 22:36.00 | zenzelezz | just feed it the values without grouping them in a table? |
| 22:36.09 | zenzelezz | ...Color(r, g, b, a) |
| 22:36.09 | squidbear | does that work? |
| 22:36.33 | squidbear | well I need the values stored in a variable for my function to work |
| 22:36.33 | zenzelezz | you need to learn to check either the wiki or Wowprogramming, they have most of the info you need on this |
| 22:36.59 | squidbear | I've been looking :P |
| 22:37.10 | squidbear | I'm just getting black frames though |
| 22:37.10 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 22:55.09 | Wobin | nice http://vimeo.com/2625538 |
| 22:55.17 | Wobin | The Craft of War |
| 22:55.31 | Wobin | very well done machinima |
| 22:55.57 | Wobin | actually I'm not sure he didn't use his own modelling, from the shadows and such |
| 23:00.43 | squidbear | why does IsUnitEnemy() take 2 args? |
| 23:00.59 | squidbear | I just want to see if target is enemy... |
| 23:02.03 | nevcairiel | I've never heard of that function |
| 23:02.42 | nevcairiel | I would just use UnitCanAttack("player", "target") |
| 23:03.29 | nevcairiel | Oh UnitIsEnemy you mean, well same args as CanAttack |
| 23:03.34 | nevcairiel | you need two units for a relative check |
| 23:03.39 | nevcairiel | first being yourself as "player" |
| 23:03.40 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 23:05.02 | squidbear | oh i see thanks :) |
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| 23:06.58 | foxlit | Wobin: half of those animations are probably not from WoW :) |
| 23:07.34 | Wobin | yeah |
| 23:07.38 | Wobin | It's well put together though |
| 23:14.29 | foxlit | very pretty. But hey, wtb more dragon deaths? |
| 23:14.39 | Wobin | Shhh |
| 23:14.44 | Wobin | this was before the big reveal =P |
| 23:15.01 | Wobin | I like how Onyxia is just so blase about the whole thing |
| 23:15.14 | Wobin | she's like the "wise old man with a staff" equivalent =P |
| 23:15.50 | foxlit | Yet, blood elf? |
| 23:16.08 | Wobin | point |
| 23:16.17 | Wobin | artistic license =P |
| 23:16.36 | foxlit | +1 Grand Marshal swords? |
| 23:17.11 | foxlit | Wonder what those sell for nowadays |
| 23:19.29 | foxlit | cell block tango is an odd song |
| 23:21.14 | Industrial | WobWork: heh i only noticed half way that the music was in japanese |
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| 23:28.23 | WobWork | bah |
| 23:28.34 | WobWork | zerostress xchat build has a weird default font |
| 23:28.39 | WobWork | that everything turns into boxes |
| 23:29.47 | zenzelezz | zerostress? |
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| 23:32.54 | WobWork | http://www.zerostress.org/dls/ |
| 23:33.10 | matt1s | I succeeded in dinging extraordinarily :-) http://hurfmydurf.com/movies/ding.wmv |
| 23:33.27 | sacarasc | lol, wmv |
| 23:33.50 | matt1s | that's what windows movie maker gives me! |
| 23:34.03 | sacarasc | lol, windows movie maker |
| 23:34.10 | matt1s | hmf. |
| 23:35.18 | Cheatcakes | how do I do an inline if statement? |
| 23:35.25 | zenzelezz | WobWork: oh, a Windows build? Didn't know about that one |
| 23:35.44 | WobWork | yeah, only saw it from reading the wikipedia page =) |
| 23:35.50 | WobWork | however, having issues with it |
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| 23:39.34 | foxlit | Presents to demons delivered... check. |
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| 23:48.52 | Wobin | hm |
| 23:49.15 | Wobin | I don't know if this is an upgrade =P |
| 23:49.21 | Wobin | from the silverex version |
| 23:49.42 | Wobin | since I can't get the 2.8.4.6 version running |
| 23:51.05 | zenzelezz | what's the latest Silverex version? |
| 23:51.22 | Wobin | 2.8.4.6.1 I thnk |
| 23:51.47 | Tekkub | Silverex? |
| 23:52.20 | zenzelezz | another free X-Chat Windows build |
| 23:52.30 | Wobin | keep up, Tekkub |
| 23:52.32 | Tekkub | oh |
| 23:53.12 | Tekkub | WTB LimeChat windows in Engrish already |
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| 23:57.32 | Wobin | this'll do |
| 23:57.49 | Wobin | astalavista.box.sk returned with the goods as per usual =P |
| 23:58.31 | sacarasc | silverex's build has a nice bug concerning minimising to the tray |
| 23:58.35 | sacarasc | it often crashes |
| 23:58.43 | Wobin | yeah |
| 23:58.44 | Gnarfoz | daemon404 <4 |
| 23:58.46 | Wobin | I had that issue |
| 23:58.47 | Gnarfoz | <3 :( |
| 23:58.52 | Gnarfoz | mikma: /poke |
| 23:58.54 | Wobin | there was a plugin that fixed that |
| 23:59.00 | Wobin | however, it just created -another- tray icon |
| 23:59.05 | sacarasc | daemon404 gave up building though :( |
| 23:59.06 | Wobin | and if you clicked the wrong one, it crashed =P |
| 23:59.20 | Gnarfoz | sacarasc: yeah, but silverex has dynamic minigtk :( |
| 23:59.26 | Gnarfoz | or rather, dynamic gtk+ :\ |
| 23:59.37 | Wobin | now I just need a plugin that copy/records ping messages |
