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| 00:09.30 | Olorin | Shirik and others, thanks for the help yesterday with understanding the variable number of args ... |
| 00:09.41 | ZorbaTHut | I wish lua patterns were a little more capable, I want (blah)? to work |
| 00:12.51 | mikma | bumped into instance limit twice today |
| 00:13.20 | mikma | damn annoying to wait 10min for your turn |
| 00:29.07 | Cairenn | joke for you guys |
| 00:29.08 | Cairenn | A blonde walks into a bank in New York City and asks for the loan officer. She says she's going to Europe on business for two weeks and needs to borrow $5,000. |
| 00:29.14 | Cairenn | The bank officer says the bank will need some kind of security for the loan, so the blonde hands over the keys to a new Rolls Royce parked on the street in front of the bank. She has the title and everything checks out, so the bank accepts the car as collateral for the loan. |
| 00:29.22 | Cairenn | The bank's president and officers all enjoy a good laugh at the blonde for using a $250,000 Rolls as collateral against a $5,000 loan. An employee of the bank then drives the Rolls into the bank's underground garage and parks it there. |
| 00:29.28 | Cairenn | Two weeks later, the blonde returns, repays the $5,000 with $15.41 in interest. The loan officer says, "Miss, we are very happy to have had your business and this transaction has worked out very nicely, but we are a little puzzled. While you were away we checked you out and found that you are a multimillionaire. What puzzles us is why you would bother to borrow $5,000?" |
| 00:29.45 | Cairenn | The blonde replies, "Where else in New York City can I park my car for two weeks for only $15.41 and expect it to be there when I return?" |
| 00:30.06 | WobWork | ~rimshot |
| 00:30.07 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 00:30.07 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: [December 22, 2008, 4:30PM PST]. |
| 00:30.07 | Shiibot | We have received confirmation that the issues affecting Comcast player's connectivity to World of Warcraft are now resolved. If you are still having trouble playing World of Warcraft please visit our technical support forums and provide the details and information to resolve any issues that may be outstanding. |
| 00:30.07 | Shiibot | [December 21, 2008, 9:47AM PST]. |
| 00:30.35 | Nizomi | hm |
| 00:30.44 | Nizomi | well |
| 00:30.48 | Nizomi | its a good way to get a parking place |
| 00:30.49 | Nizomi | :p |
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| 00:34.42 | Nizomi | my addon comes along nicely xD |
| 00:34.52 | Nizomi | now i just have to add that it keeps the twink-notes |
| 00:35.53 | mikma | wa |
| 00:35.59 | mikma | sounds like poop |
| 00:36.05 | Nizomi | ? |
| 00:36.35 | mikma | hai |
| 00:36.40 | Nizomi | hi.. |
| 00:38.12 | foxlit | Is this mp3s I see approved on wowi? |
| 00:38.59 | mikma | lolpop |
| 00:39.04 | foxlit | So it is. Who could've thunk! |
| 00:40.39 | mikma | obvuisle nun |
| 00:41.45 | Nizomi | you are weird |
| 00:42.16 | Nizomi | for some reason my script stopped working |
| 00:42.19 | mikma | thank you =) |
| 00:43.10 | Nizomi | and armory doesn't respond |
| 00:43.11 | Nizomi | xD |
| 00:43.41 | mikma | oh poop |
| 00:43.52 | Nizomi | oh noez |
| 00:44.12 | Nizomi | you know the holy word? |
| 00:45.15 | Nizomi | desu |
| 00:45.22 | Nizomi | there it is, in all its glory |
| 00:45.34 | mikma | haste knows it |
| 00:46.04 | haste | deha arimasu! |
| 00:46.07 | mikma | he makes love while its on loop |
| 00:47.16 | Fisker- | ah funny Cairenn |
| 00:47.21 | Fisker- | but we all know women can't be millionaires |
| 00:47.23 | Fisker- | *runs* |
| 00:48.26 | mikma | haste: new avatar for you http://fukung.net/v/4411/HippoRide.gif |
| 00:48.31 | Nizomi | uh |
| 00:48.39 | Nizomi | whats the escape char in lua patterns? |
| 00:49.11 | WobWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.34 | Nizomi | so |
| 00:49.34 | Hjalte | Does anyone have an idea, why my Apache suddenly won't start? I am using XAMPP and it just says busy all the time. |
| 00:49.42 | WobWork | mikma: You've never seen the hippo thong dance before? |
| 00:49.57 | Nizomi | pattern '\[[a-zA-Z]*\]' |
| 00:50.13 | Nizomi | would match any of these: [fdfasdfs] [afEWfASA] [WFSADFD] |
| 00:50.14 | Nizomi | ? |
| 00:50.19 | WobWork | yes |
| 00:50.19 | Nizomi | *all of these |
| 00:50.31 | mikma | wobwork: i have but the spanky spanky is cool |
| 00:51.51 | Antiarc | Hjalte: Anything else on port 80 or 443? |
| 00:52.17 | Hjalte | Antiarc: Uh. Do you have an idea how I might check that? |
| 00:52.41 | Antiarc | Open a console, type netstat -an | grep 80 |
| 00:52.45 | Antiarc | Then netstat -an | grep 443 |
| 00:53.07 | Antiarc | If anything in the second column (after TCP) has :80 or :443 then there's something running there |
| 00:54.18 | Arrowmaster | Nizomi, WobWork: % |
| 00:54.37 | Pzyk | for scripting in lua, are there any concurrency issues I should keep in mind for wow addons? |
| 00:54.42 | Nizomi | Arrowmaster: ? |
| 00:54.50 | Arrowmaster | thats the escape character |
| 00:54.53 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: oh yeah |
| 00:55.11 | Antiarc | Pzyk: Concurrency is a non-issue; Lua in WoW runs in a single thread |
| 00:55.17 | WobWork | I keep thinking for the grabbing \(\) |
| 00:55.19 | Pzyk | alright, good to know |
| 00:55.33 | Antiarc | Pzyk: "while true do end" will hard-lock WoW :) |
| 00:55.38 | Pzyk | o_O |
| 00:55.40 | Antiarc | Due to the single-threaded UI :P |
| 00:56.01 | Hjalte | Antiarc: For some reason it wouldnt take the grep part, but I do see some listening on local adresses 0.0.0.80 and 0.0.0.443. |
| 00:56.17 | Antiarc | Hjalte: That may be Apache; if you're on Windows grep isn't standard |
| 00:56.52 | Antiarc | You can try netstat -anb on windows |
| 00:56.58 | Antiarc | Or netstat -anp on linux/osx |
| 00:57.04 | Antiarc | That includes the process ID |
| 00:57.10 | Antiarc | So you can determine what's on that port |
| 00:57.28 | Hjalte | Antiarc: Oh! It was Skype. |
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| 00:58.15 | Hjalte | Antiarc: Thanks a lot. |
| 00:58.33 | TS|Skrom_ | Greetings friends and Anenomies :) |
| 00:58.37 | Nizomi | so |
| 00:58.37 | TS|Skrom_ | Anenomes? |
| 00:58.39 | TS|Skrom_ | Whatever :D |
| 00:58.50 | Nizomi | wowwiki says string.find returns the start and end index of the found match |
| 00:58.55 | Nizomi | how do i get the end index? |
| 00:59.13 | Nizomi | local offnotes, offnotee = string.find( offnote, "%[[a-zA-Z]*%]" ) didn't seem to work xD |
| 00:59.14 | WobWork | Anaral's name always reminds me of the time on my MUD where the creators had NPC 'dopples' in game, which were named the reverse of the creator, so my dopple would be named Nibow, and how we had to turn down a request from a creator named Lana to have a dopple of her own... |
| 01:00.47 | foxlit | Nizomi: do you just want what's inside the []? |
| 01:01.06 | Nizomi | yep |
| 01:01.18 | foxlit | (Also, what string are you running that against? What is offnote?) |
| 01:01.24 | WobWork | "%[\([a-zA-Z]*\)%]" |
| 01:02.25 | Arrowmaster | Nizomi: use string.match instead of string.find |
| 01:02.45 | Nizomi | how do i get a specific return value? |
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| 01:02.54 | foxlit | Your code was fine |
| 01:03.03 | Nizomi | like for http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetGuildRosterInfo |
| 01:03.12 | Nizomi | cani skip rank etc and directly get officernoteß |
| 01:03.16 | foxlit | I think the issue is that your pattern doesn't actually match the string you're trying to match it against |
| 01:03.29 | Antiarc | Nizomi: You can use select(), but it's slower than just straight mapping |
| 01:03.37 | Antiarc | Traditionally, you would do something like: |
| 01:03.51 | Antiarc | local _, _, _, _, _, _, _, officernote = GetGuildRosterInfo(index) |
| 01:04.09 | Antiarc | The alternative, though, is local officernote = select( 8, GetGuildRosterInfo(index)) |
| 01:06.49 | Nizomi | works now, ty |
| 01:07.10 | Nizomi | now i just have to get all of these appearances and put them into an array XD |
| 01:07.56 | Nizomi | ping timeout @ armory :< |
| 01:08.38 | Nizomi | well goingn to bed |
| 01:08.39 | Nizomi | gn8 |
| 01:10.30 | Anaral | Cairenn TomTom doesn't like it when I release from Naxx. I got two errors an ipairs at line 684 and a table index nil at 771. If you need full reports let me know. |
| 01:10.59 | Cairenn | Anaral: I think you mean clad, not me, but he's on vacation |
| 01:11.09 | Cairenn | he'll be gone for a couple weeks |
| 01:11.12 | Anaral | I did. lol |
| 01:11.18 | Anaral | Sorry |
| 01:11.21 | Cairenn | happens all the time, no worries :) |
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| 01:11.37 | TS|Skrom_ | Hi Cairenn :-) |
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| 01:12.02 | WobWork | I can see how you can mistake the one for the other =) |
| 01:12.09 | Anaral | Bad idea to go on vaca the day you release new code. |
| 01:12.23 | WobWork | Anaral: was it new? |
| 01:12.25 | TS|Skrom_ | that... or a really really really good idea |
| 01:12.46 | Anaral | From yesterday or early this morn, yes Wob |
| 01:14.09 | WobWork | or not =P |
| 01:14.17 | WobWork | although, it's not like I'll do naxx anytime soon =P |
| 01:15.42 | Pzyk | is there any way to directly check a buff by name, instead of iterating through UnitBuff? |
| 01:15.53 | foxlit | Give UnitBuff the buff name |
| 01:16.10 | foxlit | UnitBuff("player", "Arcane Intellect") |
| 01:16.25 | Pzyk | argh, that works? |
| 01:16.33 | foxlit | it should |
| 01:16.41 | Pzyk | wowwiki was saying that the second arg was only an index |
| 01:16.45 | Pzyk | I'll try that |
| 01:16.48 | foxlit | Or, well, someone said it did earlier |
| 01:17.16 | foxlit | In general, the index/name confusion is relatively wide-spread in the API |
| 01:17.26 | foxlit | Some things take either, some things take only one. |
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| 01:18.05 | Pzyk | bah. |
| 01:18.17 | foxlit | Take GetSpellInfo, for example |
| 01:18.41 | foxlit | It takes both IDs and spell names. But it only takes spell names you can cast. Unless those happen to be companion-summoning spells. |
| 01:22.25 | Pzyk | tricky tricky |
| 01:22.45 | Shirik|AFK | !api UnitBuff |
| 01:22.46 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'UnitBuff' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitBuff |
| 01:23.02 | Shirik|AFK | it is likely that wowprogramming's documentation is more accurate |
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| 01:27.05 | Pzyk | ooh, thanks for that site. |
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| 01:40.43 | NightHawkTheSane | 10.6k AP in cat form, with some buffs.. |
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| 01:50.44 | mikma | wobwork: http://fukung.net/v/8737/e5fd551845725d85b8e9db183ee57ad7.gif |
| 01:52.23 | jnwhiteh | Anaral: you should report issues to me not Cairenn |
| 01:52.30 | jnwhiteh | and if you're not using the latest version, you should udate. |
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| 01:55.51 | Pzyk | ok, this is confusing. |
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| 01:59.24 | Pzyk | http://www.pastey.net/104910 |
| 02:00.08 | Pzyk | local variables should stay alive within the same scope, regardless of any if statements within that scope right? |
| 02:00.29 | Pzyk | wait nvm. extra end |
| 02:02.49 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: [December 22, 2008, 6:00PM PST]. . We will be performing maintenance for all realms on Tuesday, December 23rd3rd3rdhe downtime will begin at 3:00AM PST and end at approximately 11:00AM PST.. . . [December 22, 2008, 4:30PM PST]. |
| 02:02.49 | Shiibot | We have received confirmation that the issues affecting Comcast player's connectivity to World of Warcraft are now resolved. If you are still having trouble playing World of Warcraft please visit our technical support forums and provide the details and information to resolve any issues that may be outstanding. |
| 02:02.49 | Shiibot | [December 21, 2008, 9:47AM PST]. |
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| 02:04.49 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: [December 22, 2008, 6:00PM PST]. . We will be performing maintenance for all realms on Tuesday, December 23rd. The downtime will begin at 3:00AM PST and end at approximately 11:00AM PST.. . . [December 22, 2008, 4:30PM PST]. |
| 02:04.49 | Shiibot | We have received confirmation that the issues affecting Comcast player's connectivity to World of Warcraft are now resolved. If you are still having trouble playing World of Warcraft please visit our technical support forums and provide the details and information to resolve any issues that may be outstanding. |
| 02:04.49 | Shiibot | [December 21, 2008, 9:47AM PST]. |
| 02:08.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ~seen Elkano |
| 02:08.58 | purl | elkano <n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 13h 19m 30s ago, saying: 'evl, change log as in "unified diff"?'. |
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| 02:28.25 | AnduinLothar | ScytheBlade1: logging in. got a queue of 70 |
| 02:40.49 | Thunder_Child | whata does spirit do for mages now? |
| 02:42.41 | Tekkub | http://code.google.com/p/tekkub-wow/issues/detail?id=725 |
| 02:43.08 | Tekkub | I love idiots that think their idea is great and turning them down throws them into a hissy |
| 02:43.56 | Tekkub | especially when they say things like "arrogant" when they have no idea how mean I can really be |
| 02:44.33 | haste | Tekkub: felt I had to make a comment |
| 02:44.49 | Tekkub | I hope you were nice! |
| 02:44.53 | Tekkub | he's having a bad day |
| 02:45.11 | Tekkub | aw, you weren't |
| 02:45.23 | Tekkub | now he has to uninstall your addons too |
| 02:47.44 | WobWork | arrogant clearly means "someone who answers my question with an answer" |
| 02:47.58 | Tekkub | AND turns down my request |
| 02:48.12 | Shirik | Tekkub is arrogant |
| 02:48.15 | Shirik | rawr |
| 02:48.25 | Tekkub | yes, except... I wasn't there |
| 02:49.04 | Tekkub | "you're an idiot, fuck off, no" would have been closer to "arrogant" |
| 02:50.05 | Shirik | I like how he tagged it as a defect |
| 02:50.52 | Tekkub | users have no control over tags on gcode's tracker |
| 02:51.04 | Tekkub | and for things like this I don't bother setting tags |
| 02:51.36 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:51.40 | NightHawkTheSane | So, is the best way to determine if a target has any one of a specific set of debuffs still scanning? or is there a smarter way? |
| 02:51.41 | Tekkub | that's why I like their issue tracker, the user can only input a description, they can't mark shit as "important" or such |
| 02:51.44 | Shirik | ok then he isn't quite as evil as I thought he was |
| 02:51.58 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, uh, depends |
| 02:52.07 | Tekkub | one specific debuff, query by name |
| 02:52.16 | Tekkub | a bunch, scanning's likely faster |
| 02:52.24 | Shirik | still epends |
| 02:52.26 | Shirik | depends* |
| 02:52.32 | Shirik | Don't debuffs only show by name if they're yours? |
| 02:52.59 | Tekkub | well, I assume debuffs are like buffs in that respect |
| 02:53.00 | NightHawkTheSane | what i want is essentially this: "does the target have a bleed effect on it, and what is the duration of the current longest one" |
| 02:53.11 | Shirik | I would advise scanning |
| 02:53.20 | Tekkub | by name used to only work for self, but now works for any normal unit... for buffs |
| 02:53.40 | Tekkub | yea if you're going for a type of debuff, scann em all |
| 02:54.11 | NightHawkTheSane | okay |
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| 02:57.07 | Shirik | I'm kinda curious |
| 02:57.45 | NightHawkTheSane | about? |
| 02:58.09 | Shirik | For optimizing compilers where the language specifies short-circuit logic: do you think "if (bar() && foo)" where foo is a nonvolatile local boolean would be optimized to "if (foo && bar())" ? |
| 02:59.16 | Shirik | I guess bar() always has to be executed due to side effects, so the answer would be no |
| 02:59.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 02:59.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i was about to type that in |
| 02:59.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i would call it bad form for bar() to have side effects, but it's possible |
| 03:00.37 | Shirik | I was looking at a line of code I had which was "if (somereallylongtest() && someboolean)" and realized it would be a lot faster if I swapped them around because the boolean is usually false |
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| 03:02.03 | cbreak | depends on if the languae guarantees order of execution |
| 03:02.20 | NightHawkTheSane | wouldn't short-circute logic imply that? |
| 03:02.22 | Shirik | (21:57:58) (@Shirik) For optimizing compilers where the language specifies short-circuit logic: |
| 03:02.29 | NightHawkTheSane | circuit* |
| 03:02.31 | Shirik | I would expect that to imply the appropriate order :) |
| 03:02.49 | Shirik | you can't really guarantee short circuit logic if you don't specify the order of the circuit |
| 03:02.50 | NightHawkTheSane | the effects of short circuit logic on non-guaranteed order of ops kind of disturbs me.. |
| 03:04.04 | cbreak | I... forgot how it works in haskel... |
| 03:05.54 | Pzyk | can UnitAura be used to check for a debuff on a target by name? |
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| 03:18.13 | Tekkub | Pzyk, UnitDebuff can, yes |
| 03:18.44 | Tekkub | Pzyk, http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3129187667/ |
| 03:22.42 | mikma | tekkub: OMG NEKKID GNOME |
| 03:23.05 | Pzyk | thanks tekkub |
| 03:23.17 | Sixen | ohai |
| 03:23.20 | Shirik | OMG GNOME KEEL IT |
| 03:29.04 | cladhaire | Have a Merry Christmas everyone, I have to wake up in 1.5 hours to get on the bus to the airport.. so I'm turning off all the outlets now. If I don't sign on between now and then, Happy New Year! |
| 03:29.35 | Thunder_Child | you to cladhaire |
| 03:29.49 | kd3 | merry xmas to you too |
| 03:31.06 | Shirik | merry christmas cladhaire |
| 03:31.38 | WobWork | MC & HNY Clad |
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| 03:34.35 | mikma | wa |
| 03:34.40 | mikma | clad is going hooooome |
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| 03:43.10 | Sixen | zZz |
| 03:50.52 | Anaral | jnwhiteh: I mis-typed the issue. And I'll update TomTom after the naxx run, hadn't realized there had been an update this afternoon. My apologies. |
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| 03:52.46 | Anaral | cladhaire: you changed your nick. Please read above. Again apologies. :) |
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| 04:34.11 | Thunder_Child | holy crap, zelenka doesnt actually have an accent |
| 04:35.45 | duaiwe | what? |
| 04:37.04 | Thunder_Child | mckays sidekick on atlantis |
| 04:37.48 | Thunder_Child | i'm rewatching season 2 of eureka and he is in an episode |
| 04:40.13 | Tekkub | yea he's cute when he start cursing in dutch or whatever he speaks |
| 04:40.54 | NightHawkTheSane | no, i know -who-, i was just surprised he didn't actually have an accent |
| 04:41.10 | Thunder_Child | me to, it sounded to real |
| 04:41.16 | Thunder_Child | so* |
| 04:41.39 | Tekkub | oh I guess Zelenka is supposed to be Czech |
| 04:41.51 | Tekkub | s/real/cute/ |
| 04:42.25 | Tekkub | and the actor is fluent in Czech, which is proly why it seems real |
| 04:44.35 | Pzyk | does spell_aura_refresh event not work as intended at the moment? |
| 04:45.16 | Tekkub | *cough* okey, he reall IS from Czechoslovakia, so I guess the "no accent on Eureka" bit is the oddity |
| 04:45.56 | Tekkub | "He is fluent in Czech, English, French and Spanish. Though his character on Stargate Atlantis speaks English with a Czech accent, Nykl has a Canadian accent." |
| 04:46.24 | Thunder_Child | ah, so that was the accent i was hearing in eureka |
| 04:47.29 | Tekkub | he's gonna be in an ep of sanctuary too |
| 04:47.42 | Tekkub | I love how scifi channel just reuses the same actors in everything |
| 04:47.58 | Tekkub | "oh I'm sorry we ended andromeda... want to be in stargate?" |
| 04:48.09 | Thunder_Child | well most if not all happen to be good so it works for me |
| 04:48.11 | Arrowmaster | you mean farscape |
| 04:48.12 | Tekkub | "oh I'm sorry fox killed off Firefly.... want to be in stargate?" |
| 04:48.23 | Tekkub | and farscape! |
| 04:48.38 | Thunder_Child | ~qq Tekkub |
| 04:48.38 | purl | CRY MOAR Tekkub |
| 04:49.00 | Tekkub | granted, most everyone on SG1 showed up on andromeda too |
| 04:49.19 | Thunder_Child | only 2 that i remember |
| 04:49.38 | WobWork | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/SVACruRH8tI/AAAAAAAAD4g/3M2v-qxPvrE/s1600-h/you+are+here.jpg |
| 04:49.41 | WobWork | ... whoops |
| 04:49.45 | Tekkub | well... id depends on the order you consider |
| 04:49.55 | Tekkub | if you do it in reverse, it'd be 3 :) |
| 04:49.56 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt know, i only caught like the first season or two of andromeda |
| 04:50.08 | Tekkub | cause ROmmie went to SG1 |
| 04:50.57 | WobWork | Tekkub: That's the Canadian actors union |
| 04:51.16 | WobWork | all of the canadian actors end up in every single series =) |
| 04:51.37 | Tekkub | oh wait, he was already in an ep of Sanctuary, the odd "crashed in a snow storm" one |
| 04:51.55 | Tekkub | he was "Strickland"... I don't remember that char, prolly one of the first they killed off |
| 04:52.29 | Tekkub | WobWork, yea, that's the problem with all the good scifi coming from canada |
| 04:52.37 | Tekkub | well, if you think that's a problem, that is |
| 04:52.49 | WobWork | I just find it amusing =) |
| 04:53.02 | Tekkub | let me rephrase that |
| 04:53.09 | Tekkub | "All the good scifi, and Lexx" |
| 04:53.25 | WobWork | wasn't that the one with the spaceship? |
| 04:53.31 | WobWork | that ate planets or something? |
| 04:54.09 | Tekkub | "Lets make a show about a penis-shaped space ship, but never admit it's a penis... just flirt on the edge of the phallic jokes to fuck with the censors" |
| 04:54.21 | Arrowmaster | ??? |
| 04:54.24 | WobWork | sounds pretty canadian to me |
| 04:54.32 | Tekkub | poor Arrowmaster missed Lexx? |
| 04:54.34 | WobWork | I mean, look at Cairenn. |
| 04:54.42 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue what your talking about |
| 04:54.47 | Tekkub | yea, she's so phallic too |
| 04:55.00 | Tekkub | Arrowmaster, it was like "b-list" scifi |
| 04:55.05 | WobWork | B? |
| 04:55.20 | Cairenn | oh baby oh baby do that again oh yes oh baby *expressionless voice* |
| 04:55.22 | Tekkub | it was always bad, but it knew that it was and kinda poked fun of that |
| 04:55.40 | WobWork | Cairenn wins. |
| 04:55.58 | Tekkub | yea Lexx was kinda like that |
| 04:56.44 | Tekkub | Arrowmaster, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexx |
| 04:57.01 | Arrowmaster | already looked it up |
| 04:57.25 | Shirik | Heh, those fine prints are stepping it up |
| 04:57.29 | Shirik | They used to say "Do not attempt" |
| 04:57.37 | Tekkub | See, phallic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TheLexx.jpg |
| 04:57.39 | Shirik | This one commercial I just saw said "Do not try unless you are a moron" |
| 04:57.58 | Arrowmaster | lol for what? |
| 04:58.10 | Shirik | It was something about putting a can in a microwave, wasn't really paying attention too much |
| 04:58.26 | WobWork | "organic space craft" |
| 04:58.30 | WobWork | they don't even try =P |
| 04:59.27 | Tekkub | "Huge amounts of yellowish-orange particles are released en masse from the array and focused by Lexx's nervous system to a point just above its mouth. Once focused, the particles burst into a massive, forward-moving, planar wave which expands ahead of the Lexx exponentially..." |
| 04:59.32 | Tekkub | nope, didn't try at all |
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| 05:28.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Does anyone know where the +75 sta to weapon enchant recipe will coem from? Rep? Purchased with sharsd? |
| 05:28.53 | Shirik | sigh |
| 05:28.58 | Shirik | does Java not have a comma operator? :( |
| 05:29.00 | selckin | 1% drop in maurodon |
| 05:29.23 | selckin | Shirik: why would you want one :\ |
| 05:29.29 | Shirik | It's awesome! |
| 05:29.40 | Shirik | Sometimes you can make good use of it |
| 05:30.00 | Shirik | admittedly this use is... not very good |
| 05:30.07 | Shirik | type = UpdateType.NO_UPDATE?getLatestModules():(getLatestModules(), UpdateType.CORE_UPDATE); |
| 05:30.55 | selckin | oh, you're one of those |
| 05:31.03 | selckin | less lines means better! |
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| 05:31.43 | Shirik | no |
| 05:31.48 | Shirik | just sometimes I do some strange things |
| 05:32.10 | Shirik | However I'm one of those people that will write strange lines and then way too many comments to back them up |
| 05:33.11 | Shirik | Hell, one time one of my addons had a 150 line ASCII art in it |
| 05:33.16 | selckin | if only java had closures :p |
| 05:33.28 | Shirik | (A useful ASCII art in it though! I was pointing at each bit in a number) |
| 05:33.39 | Shirik | and then it breaks off into a table saying what it means |
| 05:33.40 | Shirik | etc. |
| 05:33.45 | Shirik | it was epic |
| 05:34.32 | selckin | sounds fun |
| 05:43.51 | Tekkub | http://www.johnnywander.com/node/94 |
| 05:43.55 | Tekkub | totally my cat |
| 05:44.26 | Duman | haha |
| 05:44.29 | Tekkub | had one that liked to climb the window screens... one day I hear him on the one in the kitchen, so I sneak in and run at him.... |
| 05:44.50 | Tekkub | he goes from the normal hangy position to usidedown, then launches off the screen |
| 05:45.00 | Tekkub | and the screen goes shooting out of the window the other way |
| 05:47.08 | Tekkub | someone explain this to me... I'm over at Enber Clutch... there's a protowhelp here walking on the ground instead of flying, and it's friendly |
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| 05:58.25 | ^ZerOne^ | Greetings! Anyone good at macros here? I need help figuring out a logic sequence for a macro |
| 05:58.36 | NightHawkTheSane | ~asktoask |
| 05:58.38 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 05:59.08 | ^ZerOne^ | true true |
| 05:59.52 | Tekkub | I still think we should just tell them they wasted their one question asking if they could ask a question |
| 06:00.06 | ^ZerOne^ | Basically I want the macro to do something when a specific aura is up, but if it is not up I don't want the macro to do it. |
| 06:00.22 | WobWork | http://www.nerdyshirts.com/ |
| 06:00.23 | Tekkub | can't be done in combat |
| 06:01.56 | ^ZerOne^ | why is that? |
| 06:02.05 | NightHawkTheSane | because blizzard says so |
| 06:02.06 | Tekkub | because ZBlizzy says so |
| 06:02.11 | Tekkub | jinx |
| 06:02.54 | kd3 | egah. it's 19f outside |
| 06:03.05 | Tekkub | kd3, and the problem is? |
| 06:03.12 | ^ZerOne^ | gee, I had that commign didn't I? I ment what does combat prevent, that is possible out of combat? |
| 06:03.17 | keias | was -4F here last night |
| 06:03.19 | kd3 | anything sub 50 is too damn cold |
| 06:03.30 | Tekkub | you need more insulation |
| 06:03.31 | keias | Good thing my power got turned back on yesterday. |
| 06:04.15 | WobWork | ^ZerOne^: combat logic, mostly. |
| 06:04.32 | WobWork | Blizzard doesn't want programmatic decisions of combat made |
| 06:05.28 | ^ZerOne^ | when does combat count as combat? When I have a traget, or when I have attacked it/been attacked? |
| 06:05.42 | kd3 | the instant your health stops regenerating |
| 06:05.47 | Tekkub | when you're in combat |
| 06:05.50 | Codayus | Combat counts as combat. :-) |
| 06:06.13 | Adys | anyone using bagnon? I lost my itemcount tooltip modification |
| 06:06.19 | Tekkub | to quote an old raid leader "DON'T LOOT WHEN THERE"S SWORDS" |
| 06:06.20 | ^ZerOne^ | well yes but rightklicking a mob, on a distance but not aggroing it, will it count as combat? |
| 06:06.28 | Adys | lol Tekkub |
| 06:06.43 | kd3 | zero, no. because your health is still regenerating if you haven't aggroed it |
| 06:06.54 | Adys | ^ZerOne^: as long as you're not in combat ingame you are not in combat ingame |
| 06:06.59 | Adys | i hope thats clear |
| 06:07.03 | Tekkub | ^ZerOne^, turn on the floating combat text for "combat" and you'll know when |
| 06:07.18 | Tekkub | +Combat+ |
| 06:07.22 | Tekkub | -Combat- |
| 06:07.23 | ^ZerOne^ | have none of that |
| 06:07.29 | Tekkub | yes you do |
| 06:07.30 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ZerOne^: you're in combat after PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED fires, until PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED fires. |
| 06:08.06 | ^ZerOne^ | Tekkub: Ha misread as "turn OFF" |
| 06:09.13 | ^ZerOne^ | As a paladin I seldom find myself in combat before getting my seal up then. So that is good for my macro idea |
| 06:09.53 | Tekkub | really can't do it in a macro out of combat either |
| 06:10.05 | Tekkub | you'll need an addon with a secure frame |
| 06:10.12 | ^ZerOne^ | geee, could have said that =P |
| 06:10.19 | Tekkub | in short, you're wasting your time, use your brain :P |
| 06:10.32 | Tekkub | i.e. what blizzy wants you to do |
| 06:10.52 | ^ZerOne^ | bizzard should just the pally crusader aura passive =P |
| 06:11.05 | ^ZerOne^ | *make |
| 06:11.24 | NightHawkTheSane | blizz should ditch all move/mount speed increases like that anyway, it's rather silly |
| 06:11.29 | Tekkub | there's a dozen crusader aura macros out there already |
| 06:11.41 | ^ZerOne^ | they are for enabling crusader aura |
| 06:11.48 | Tekkub | yea mount speed increase sounds all great... but you really don't miss it |
| 06:11.55 | ^ZerOne^ | not reenabling another when not mounted |
| 06:12.09 | Tekkub | sure they are, you just havn't found it yet |
| 06:12.24 | Codayus | The DK mount spped equivalent is passive. But self only. *shrug* |
| 06:12.26 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.55 | NightHawkTheSane | On an unrelated topic, is there a mod that gives you an Auction window display similar to auc-advanced (condensed lines, price per each) |
| 06:12.58 | ^ZerOne^ | that req. one to dismount with a macro, I dunno about you but I seldome use my mount button to dismount |
| 06:13.17 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, if you find/make one, I'll have your buttbabies |
| 06:13.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: >.> i'm going to take that as a no, then. |
| 06:13.39 | Tekkub | entering combat I don't, otherwise, I do |
| 06:14.03 | NightHawkTheSane | I wonder how easy it would be to convince the whoever's in charge of that part of auc-advanced to split it out into an independant addon |
| 06:14.05 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, everyone just uses Auc, if you mention anthing about not using Auc, people lynch you |
| 06:14.22 | Tekkub | split something from auc to standalone? BLASTPHEMY |
| 06:14.28 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 06:14.34 | Tekkub | besides, theirs is heavily tied to using auc's price data |
| 06:14.55 | ^ZerOne^ | Tekkub: I was more thinking on adding !X Aura to my seal, since seal is the most basic thing we need when going into combat, and it's really only in combat we need something else than crusader aura. |
| 06:14.59 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 how is a purely cosmetic alteration of the displayed data tied to historical price data? |
| 06:15.24 | Codayus | NightHawkTheSane: Well, there's the % of normal price column, which it sorts on my default. I think that's it. |
| 06:15.26 | NightHawkTheSane | and doesn't that massively violet like a dozen best practices? |
| 06:15.38 | ^ZerOne^ | problem is if I chose seal Z, and refreshes my seal in combat it will switch to seal X again |
| 06:15.43 | NightHawkTheSane | violate* |
| 06:15.48 | Tekkub | ^ZerOne^, /cast [mounted] !Crusader Aura; [combat] [] !Devotion Aura |
| 06:15.58 | Tekkub | then use your seal to dismount, and aura when you enter combat |
| 06:16.07 | Adys | speaking of mounts |
| 06:16.22 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, you forget the percent column |
| 06:16.24 | Adys | anyone on the ptr tested whether you can dismount from HH mount while moving? |
| 06:16.34 | Tekkub | unless their condensed UI has changed greatly |
| 06:16.38 | ^ZerOne^ | Tekkub: so that does nothing when in combat then? |
| 06:16.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: well, yeah, but with a (what i would think is a) reasonably sane division of code, that should still be easy to split out, and just remove that one column |
| 06:16.41 | Tekkub | <--- hasn't used Auc in months |
| 06:16.51 | Tekkub | no, it cast Dev in combat |
| 06:17.02 | Tekkub | or when not mounted |
| 06:17.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: >.> you can't on live? tried /dismount? |
| 06:17.26 | Tekkub | that's of course assuming this is all part of some big mount macro |
| 06:17.28 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.38 | Adys | but the problem is |
| 06:18.09 | Adys | you cannot mount while moving, unless the buff tied to the mounting spell is currently on you |
| 06:18.13 | ^ZerOne^ | Tekkub: well when in combat I don't want it to switch, that's the issue I'm trying to figure out |
| 06:18.50 | Adys | and the HH mount is just a script that checks for your current location and casts a specific spell accordingly |
| 06:18.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: >.> what you said confuses me. how can you be mounted with out the buff being on you? |
| 06:19.08 | Tekkub | so you want crusader in combat... right... |
| 06:19.19 | ^ZerOne^ | no let me try to explain |
| 06:20.27 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: http://www.wowhead.com/?search=headless+horseman#uncategorized-spells:50+1+2 |
| 06:20.40 | Adys | look at the last spells |
| 06:20.56 | Adys | actually |
| 06:20.57 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=headless+horseman%27s#uncategorized-spells |
| 06:21.10 | NightHawkTheSane | right, i understand that |
| 06:21.18 | Shirik | Question |
| 06:21.25 | WobWork | "Headless Horseman Climax - Horseman's Whirlwind" |
| 06:21.27 | Shirik | Does anyone here mark their code with comments indicating things that need to be done? |
| 06:21.31 | Shirik | I do it with // TODO |
| 06:21.32 | WobWork | sounds so terrible |
| 06:21.37 | Adys | yeah Shirik |
| 06:21.41 | WobWork | yeah Shirik |
| 06:21.44 | NightHawkTheSane | are you saying that using the spell directly to dismount - via action button, /cast, or what have you - does not work if you're moving? |
| 06:21.51 | Shirik | I just reviewed my checkstyle configuration, which was given to me by someone else, and it checks for @2do |
| 06:21.54 | Shirik | does anyone use that? |
| 06:21.58 | Shirik | I've used @todo but never @2do |
| 06:21.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: no |
| 06:21.59 | Adys | yes NightHawkTheSane because you're moving, so the client returns a hard error |
| 06:22.10 | WobWork | .... 2do? |
| 06:22.12 | Shirik | yeah... |
| 06:22.14 | WobWork | 2errible |
| 06:22.15 | Adys | Shirik: TODO in comments is highlighted in syntax by gedit here |
| 06:22.24 | WobWork | and by resharper |
| 06:22.31 | Shirik | TODO is detected by my IDE and put into a little list for me :) |
| 06:22.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: okay, now i get what you mean. :) *shrug* couldn't tell you if it's fixed, but honestly i'd just say macro /dismount, imo. ;) |
| 06:22.51 | WobWork | Adys: Can you cancelbuff? |
| 06:22.58 | Adys | yes WobWork |
| 06:23.00 | Adys | its not a problem |
| 06:23.15 | Adys | Im just curious if itsfixed |
| 06:24.15 | ^ZerOne^ | Tekkub: In a perfect world I would like my seal macro to switch my aura, but only if it's crusader aura is up, to my preferred main aura (concentration). Now this isn't a prefect world and I'm not able to get the macro to sense if crusader aura is up or not so instead I have to make it cast concentration if it's not up. Problem then arise if I have manually changed aura in combat like FR... |
| 06:24.17 | ^ZerOne^ | ...aura to counter a FR mage and then need to refresh my seal, it will then sense that concentration is not up and chnage my FR aura to it. I wanna prevent that part if possible |
| 06:24.17 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/84b8e791cc9a278ace8765fa50a7ef23.jpg |
| 06:24.20 | Shirik | ^ Netbeans wins |
| 06:25.14 | Tekkub | oh ho, pvper |
| 06:25.22 | Tekkub | that changes everything |
| 06:25.40 | Adys | Shirik: java fails |
| 06:25.59 | ^ZerOne^ | no not really, but on a PVP realm, alliance side with horde couting 2-3 times to 1 alliance so one find himself in combat quite often |
| 06:26.51 | ^ZerOne^ | but same applies when chaing aura during a PvE encounter, if I don't see any use for concentration |
| 06:27.19 | Shirik | Adys: Honestly, for web-based applications, it's definitely one of the best languages |
| 06:27.21 | Shirik | and I hate Java |
| 06:27.28 | Tekkub | <--- has no sympathy for pvpers |
| 06:27.28 | Adys | python? |
| 06:27.38 | Adys | http://docs.djangoproject.com/ |
| 06:27.38 | Shirik | How many windows users have python installed? |
| 06:27.45 | Tekkub | either way, in combat you either get one hardcoded spell in your macro, or do it manually |
| 06:27.50 | Adys | Shirik: uh what? |
| 06:27.58 | Tekkub | that's what blizzy wants you doing, ESPECIALLY if you're a pvper |
| 06:28.15 | Tekkub | blah blah unfair advantage blah blah |
| 06:28.15 | ^ZerOne^ | Tekkub: Assuming a bit to much here are we |
| 06:28.16 | Adys | Shirik: <@Shirik> Adys: Honestly, for web-based applications, (...) <@Shirik> How many windows users |
| 06:28.28 | Shirik | sure |
| 06:28.32 | Tekkub | no assumption at all |
| 06:28.41 | Shirik | Users use the web, no? |
| 06:28.49 | Adys | .. yes |
| 06:28.55 | Tekkub | Blizzy restricted spellcasting decisions because they don't want player with certain addon to have an advantage |
| 06:29.10 | Adys | last i checked you dont need java or python installed to browse a website.. |
| 06:29.11 | Shirik | It is easily arguable that windows is the most popular user-based OS out there |
| 06:29.16 | Tekkub | you get what conditionals they give you in the macro system and that's it |
| 06:29.29 | Tekkub | anything else requires a human brain |
| 06:29.30 | Shirik | No, but if you're going to write either a java or a python app |
| 06:29.34 | Shirik | they'll need to have it installed to run |
| 06:29.50 | ScytheBlade1 | asdf |
| 06:29.55 | ScytheBlade1 | We are sooooooooooooo close to 3-drake Sarth |
| 06:29.57 | ScytheBlade1 | -.- |
| 06:29.57 | Adys | you're telling me about web apps or applications that connect to the web? |
| 06:29.59 | Tekkub | zxcv |
| 06:30.03 | Shirik | Oh I see what you're saying |
| 06:30.07 | Tekkub | jkl;? |
| 06:30.07 | Shirik | I'm not talking about server-side applications |
| 06:30.12 | Adys | right ok |
| 06:30.13 | ^ZerOne^ | Tekkub: I'm talking about you getting stuck up because you think I'm a PvPer trying to get PvP advantage when I'm just trying to easy up on me forgeting to switch from crusader to consencration all the time |
| 06:30.15 | Shirik | I'm talking about client applications which connect to a server |
| 06:30.18 | ScytheBlade1 | nm,. |
| 06:30.34 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: ®©⢠|
| 06:30.37 | Adys | you all suck |
| 06:30.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: cheater |
| 06:30.51 | Shirik | It's easily the market most dominated by Java right now; Look at all the JWS apps out there |
| 06:30.51 | Adys | custom keyboard layouts are pr0 |
| 06:30.52 | Tekkub | I already gave you that solution, /cast [mounted] blah; [combat] [] meh |
| 06:30.57 | Shirik | (WWS anyone?) |
| 06:31.18 | Adys | i know a fair few ppl who will refuse to install java just to run an app |
| 06:31.20 | ScytheBlade1 | WWS is a pretty bad example with how amazingly unstable it's been recently |
| 06:31.23 | Adys | that includes me and i count for 10 |
| 06:31.31 | Shirik | I admit that ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:31.43 | Shirik | but it's an easily-accessible example |
| 06:31.45 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: be nice to WWS its written in java |
| 06:31.51 | ScytheBlade1 | irl lol |
| 06:31.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys wins the convo |
| 06:32.10 | Shirik | No, the author is WWS is pretty.... bad... imnsho |
| 06:32.22 | Shirik | His web programming is great |
| 06:32.25 | NightHawkTheSane | (wtb open source wws..) |
| 06:32.26 | Shirik | His java programming... not so hot |
| 06:32.30 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
| 06:32.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I've been using stasiscl |
| 06:32.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Perl-based log analysis |
| 06:32.54 | ^ZerOne^ | Tekkub: Yea and so far I've come myself, but thank for the [combat] addition. while it did nothing new as I hoped for, but now I know it's as far as I can take it. |
| 06:32.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Only problem with it, is that given a 100MB log |
| 06:33.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It writes out nearly 600MB of HTML/etc |
| 06:33.13 | Shirik | Hey, when I push a stable release of the MMOUI updater, maybe I'll start working on an open-source WWS :D |
| 06:33.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I think that's a larger project than you'd believe |
| 06:33.35 | Tekkub | Hey, shut up and get back to coding |
| 06:33.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 06:33.40 | Shirik | I AM CODING :( |
| 06:33.44 | ScytheBlade1 | NOT FAST ENOUGH |
| 06:33.48 | Tekkub | NO YOURE IRCING |
| 06:33.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: in all fairness, that's an admirable goal,but WoW might not be -around- by the time you finish it :p |
| 06:33.53 | Tekkub | ICING? |
| 06:33.54 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:34.06 | Shirik | Actually it's close to alpha, NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:34.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I've actually lost several people to Curse recently just due to their updater |
| 06:34.11 | Tekkub | IRCING, it's like ICING with some extra ARRRRRRR |
| 06:34.13 | ScytheBlade1 | And WoWI's current lack of a quality updater |
| 06:34.20 | Tekkub | okey I need to start drinking I think |
| 06:34.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i meant your open source wws. :p i figure you'll probably have the mmoui updater finished in another year ;) |
| 06:34.36 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:34.39 | Shirik | psh |
| 06:34.43 | Shirik | my goal is end of winter break |
| 06:34.48 | Tekkub | wait, did they get the curse updated updated to the point people stopped bitching about it? |
| 06:34.52 | Shirik | (for alpha, not release |
| 06:35.37 | Shirik | There's only one major problem holding me back |
| 06:35.52 | Shirik | It's written with JDK 6, and I have recently been advised that MacOS does not have a JRE 6 |
| 06:35.59 | Shirik | though there's OpenJDK that could be used by users |
| 06:36.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: more the latter than the former |
| 06:36.53 | ScytheBlade1 | They got over the WAU QQ and moved on |
| 06:36.57 | Tekkub | uhm, people just stopped bitching? |
| 06:37.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Creepy, I know |
| 06:37.04 | Tekkub | ah |
| 06:37.08 | Tekkub | yea that is odd |
| 06:37.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm sure we'll still get the odd thread |
| 06:37.21 | ScytheBlade1 | "WHERE IS MY WAU" |
| 06:37.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Just like our "I'm lagging, how do I increase addon memory?" question every few months |
| 06:37.37 | Shirik | Tekkub's like "must ... find... how... to... get... users... like... curse" |
| 06:37.43 | Shirik | "no more bitching..." |
| 06:37.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: to be honest, i just gave up caring and started updating via wowace/projects |
| 06:38.03 | Tekkub | Shirik, need more graphics designers on the site |
| 06:38.15 | Tekkub | WoWI is "too ugly" to bring in the retard users |
| 06:38.18 | Shirik | I meant for your bug reports :) |
| 06:38.28 | Tekkub | you have to have shinies to distract them with |
| 06:41.37 | ScytheBlade1 | http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/NotAlwaysRight/~3/492111243/1401 |
| 06:41.40 | ScytheBlade1 | mmmmmmm, murder |
| 06:43.28 | Shirik | I have to admit, I've never heard of any vegetarians complaining about cheese |
| 06:43.35 | Shirik | Including my aunt |
| 06:44.04 | NightHawkTheSane | hardcore vegans do. |
| 06:44.06 | Shirik | though my aunt is italian, I don't think she could live without cheese |
| 06:46.16 | Adys | lua> 123 in { 123, 2354 } |
| 06:46.16 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '123' |
| 06:46.23 | Adys | meh |
| 06:47.51 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 06:47.57 | Adys | is there an equivalent to that? |
| 06:48.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Just under 20k objects to upload for tonight's stats -.- |
| 06:48.02 | Adys | foo in table |
| 06:48.50 | ^ZerOne^ | in /castsequence shouldn't a ! before a spell skipp that spell if present? |
| 06:50.51 | Gngsk | ^ZerOne^, only for things you can toggle on/off like auto shot for hunters, can't think of anything else it's useful for |
| 06:50.58 | ^ZerOne^ | an aura |
| 06:51.22 | Gngsk | ah, and druid forms |
| 06:51.45 | ^ZerOne^ | So, what might I be doing wrong when it still cast it then? ;) |
| 06:53.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: you might be able to do some meta-table voo doo that's above my head, but beyond that, you probaly just have to iterate |
| 06:53.46 | NightHawkTheSane | I wish when you got nil errors on stuff like strjoin, it told you which paramter it errored on >< |
| 06:54.35 | Pzyk | how would one detect if a player refreshed a debuff that other players can also stack on a mob (e.g. bleeds) |
| 06:55.47 | ScytheBlade1 | You'd watch COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED for the corresponding event (AURA_REFRESH) iirc |
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| 06:56.44 | Pzyk | yeah, but aura_refresh doesn't pass along who actually did the refreshing |
| 06:57.00 | ScytheBlade1 | You need to track state manually then |
| 06:57.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Watch the application, record who |
| 06:57.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Watch for cassts of what could apply it |
| 06:57.15 | ScytheBlade1 | *casts |
| 06:57.25 | ScytheBlade1 | And then match them with AURA_REFRESH events |
| 06:57.35 | Pzyk | CAST_SUCCESS? |
| 06:57.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't know offhand |
| 06:57.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably |
| 06:57.58 | Pzyk | mmk, I'll try that. |
| 06:59.43 | ScytheBlade1 | http://mailgraph.rungie.com/mailgraph.cgi?4-e <-- fun image (spam graph) |
| 07:00.35 | Adys | lua> t={[123] = true, [1234] = nil}; t[1234], t[] |
| 07:00.35 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ']' |
| 07:00.39 | Adys | lua> t={[123] = true, [1234] = nil}; t[1234], t[1] |
| 07:00.40 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: '=' expected near '<eof>' |
| 07:01.09 | Adys | lua> t={[123] = true, [1234] = nil}; print(t[1234], t[1]) |
| 07:01.10 | lua_bot | Adys: nil, nil |
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| 07:05.09 | Adys | lua> t = {}; table.insert(t, 123); print(t[1], t[123]) |
| 07:05.10 | lua_bot | Adys: 123, nil |
| 07:07.14 | Adys | gold spammers are really taking the piss recently |
| 07:07.48 | ScytheBlade1 | taking the piss? |
| 07:08.05 | Adys | theres just tons more of them |
| 07:08.08 | Adys | spam anyway |
| 07:08.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 07:08.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Because it's so easy to get gold is my guess |
| 07:15.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: Any chance of you changing tekAucQuery.lua slightly so that if the price returned is 0 it just returns nil instead, so '0' prices in panda are hidden? |
| 07:15.53 | ScytheBlade1 | YEA |
| 07:15.53 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13832765677&sid=1&pageNo=3#49 |
| 07:16.04 | NightHawkTheSane | or you could probably change the Panda.GS method to do that easier i bet... |
| 07:17.14 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, if I make any changes, it'll be removing that "lib" completely and only using GetAuctionBuyout() |
| 07:17.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: that doesn't change my request, though, does it? :P |
| 07:17.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't care where the price comes from, I just only wnat to see a price if there actually IS a non-zero price |
| 07:17.58 | Tekkub | sure it does, cause I never return 0, and neither should anyone else ^^ |
| 07:18.09 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> fair enough ;) |
| 07:18.30 | Tekkub | if you don't have a price, don't return a value... if you somehow found a way to sell an auction for 0c... |
| 07:18.35 | Tekkub | well good luck to you! |
| 07:18.37 | NightHawkTheSane | I did, however, find the bug in Auc that was causing the issue with panda |
| 07:18.52 | Tekkub | cool, send them a patch? |
| 07:19.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i might, if i remember. |
| 07:19.07 | Tekkub | include GetAuctionBuyout in it :) |
| 07:19.12 | NightHawkTheSane | or someone can conveniently point me in the right direction |
| 07:22.06 | Shirik | anyone from the UK here? |
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| 07:28.34 | Adys | Shirik: Im not from the UK, but i'll eventually go there this year |
| 07:28.36 | Adys | if that helps. |
| 07:28.47 | Shirik | no I'm wanting to know about their keyboards :/ |
| 07:29.09 | Adys | lua> t={}; t[12345] = true; print(#t) |
| 07:29.09 | lua_bot | Adys: 0 |
| 07:29.15 | Adys | can someone explain me that :/ |
| 07:29.20 | ScytheBlade1 | #t counts up from 0 |
| 07:29.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Err 1 |
| 07:29.34 | Shirik | #t could theoretically be 12345 there as well |
| 07:29.38 | ScytheBlade1 | If you have indexes 1 2 4 |
| 07:29.44 | Shirik | The result there is defined to be either 0 or 12345 |
| 07:29.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait sec |
| 07:29.49 | ReAn | what's that mod that let's you put item weights on stats? |
| 07:29.57 | ReAn | kinda like tank points, but for any class |
| 07:30.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> t={} t[1] = 1 t[2] = 1 t[4] = 4 print(#t) |
| 07:30.10 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 4 |
| 07:30.10 | Shirik | #t ALWAYS returns a value at which t[#t] is non-nil and t[#t + 1] is nil, Except in the case where #t == 0 |
| 07:30.18 | Shirik | That is the ONLY definition of #t |
| 07:30.28 | Shirik | as such, any tables with holes aren't fully defined for what #t will be |
| 07:30.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> t={} t[4] = 4 print(#t) |
| 07:30.30 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 0 |
| 07:30.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Odd, I had a hole in 1-2-4 and it spat out 4 |
| 07:30.48 | Shirik | Want something even odder? |
| 07:30.50 | Adys | wow that sucks |
| 07:31.03 | Shirik | lua> return #{1,2,nil,nil,nil,6} |
| 07:31.03 | lua_bot | Shirik: 6 |
| 07:31.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: no, #t is a very simple mechanism, useful for doing something specific |
| 07:31.17 | Shirik | lua> local t = {}; t[1] = 1; t[2] = 2; t[6] = 6; return #t |
| 07:31.17 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2 |
| 07:31.21 | Shirik | same table, different values. |
| 07:31.27 | ScytheBlade1 | That "something specific" is generally very common |
| 07:31.29 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: yeah but theres a replacement? |
| 07:31.35 | Shirik | table.maxn() |
| 07:31.40 | Adys | love |
| 07:31.40 | Shirik | which is VERY slow for large tables |
| 07:31.44 | Shirik | so be very careful with it |
| 07:31.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: count them manually |
| 07:31.55 | Shirik | (Scytheblade1: That's what table.maxn does :) ) |
| 07:31.56 | ScytheBlade1 | (Or keep track of it yourself) |
| 07:32.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I know ;) |
| 07:32.00 | Shirik | Which is why it's so slow |
| 07:32.03 | Adys | Shirik: large tables being tables with very high ids, or tables with a lot of items? |
| 07:32.08 | Shirik | with high ids |
| 07:32.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Err? |
| 07:32.16 | Adys | ok thats awful |
| 07:32.19 | Shirik | wait, no sorry |
| 07:32.20 | Shirik | lots of items |
| 07:32.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Thank you |
| 07:32.24 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:32.24 | Shirik | I'm being stupid :) |
| 07:32.29 | Adys | yeah ok |
| 07:32.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Shirik |
| 07:32.31 | purl | resizes Shirik's terminal to 40x24 |
| 07:32.35 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:32.37 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha, wow, owned |
| 07:32.41 | ScytheBlade1 | That's pretty nasty |
| 07:32.58 | Adys | thats not so bad |
| 07:33.20 | Shirik | btw, ScytheBlade1, the reason 1,2,4 returned 4 is probably due to this |
| 07:33.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I saw the differences in constructing the tables |
| 07:33.39 | Shirik | Lua reallocated the table to have its array portion size 4 when you added t[2] |
| 07:33.41 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/40x24.png |
| 07:33.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 07:33.45 | Adys | could be worse |
| 07:33.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That makes sense |
| 07:33.54 | Shirik | so when you added t[4] it found it simple to keep it in the array, rather than hash |
| 07:33.59 | Shirik | Lua allocates arrays in powers of 2 |
| 07:34.01 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> t={} t[1] = 1 t[2] = 1 t[6] = 4 print(#t) |
| 07:34.02 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 2 |
| 07:34.06 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 07:34.11 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I was expecting |
| 07:34.11 | Shirik | so I think... |
| 07:34.24 | Shirik | lua> t = {}; t[1] = 1; t[2] = 2; t[4] = 4; t[8] = 8; return #t |
| 07:34.24 | lua_bot | Shirik: 4 |
| 07:34.26 | Shirik | eh |
| 07:34.29 | Shirik | well something like that :) |
| 07:34.31 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 07:34.39 | Shirik | lua> t = {}; t[1] = 1; t[2] = 2; t[3] = 4; t[7] = 8; return #t |
| 07:34.39 | lua_bot | Shirik: 3 |
| 07:34.42 | Shirik | ah well |
| 07:34.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Rule of thumb: only use #t on sequential arrays! |
| 07:34.47 | Shirik | I'll play with it later, but it really does it in powers of 2! |
| 07:34.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:35.36 | Adys | lua> t={}; t[12345] = true; print(t.maxn()) |
| 07:35.36 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'maxn' (a nil value) |
| 07:35.44 | Shirik | table.maxn(t) |
| 07:35.50 | Adys | lua> t={}; t[12345] = true; print(table.maxn(t)) |
| 07:35.51 | lua_bot | Adys: 12345 |
| 07:36.11 | ScytheBlade1 | 02:31 < ScytheBlade1> Adys: count them manually |
| 07:36.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Still going with my answer |
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| 07:36.23 | Shirik | you could have a metatable do it |
| 07:36.32 | Shirik | it might be faster, especially dependent upon your read/write frequency |
| 07:37.10 | Adys | lua> |
| 07:37.27 | Adys | right ill count them manually |
| 07:41.23 | Shirik | time to go upstairs |
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| 07:54.50 | Shirik | lua> 1/30 |
| 07:54.50 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.033333333333333 |
| 07:55.00 | Shirik | heh, that was stupid |
| 07:55.22 | Shirik | Okay so if I update a UI every 30ms, do you think anyone would notice that it's not spot-on? :) |
| 07:55.27 | Shirik | I think it should be ok |
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| 08:02.51 | Aii | you can likely get away with even slower than that, Shirik, so yeah, it should be fine |
| 08:03.21 | Aii | unless it's some kind of big animation, i doubt anyone's going to notice anything faster than 0.1s updates |
| 08:07.03 | AnduinLothar | Well, sarth with 2 drakes isn't too bad |
| 08:07.10 | AnduinLothar | but we were so close to 3 drakes |
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| 08:35.47 | Patrick_P | hi i'd like to know if there's a legal way to.. not emulate but maybe simulate a wow server so we can work on addons even without connexions? i'm going to my 2nd house for christmas vacations and we don't have an internet connection there... |
| 08:36.12 | Adys | mikk was doing something like that |
| 08:36.28 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWBench |
| 08:36.32 | Adys | its out of date |
| 08:37.22 | Tekkub | pfft, drycode it |
| 08:37.42 | Adys | also can someone explain me wtf happens to tooltips when they get hidden? |
| 08:37.49 | Adys | Tooltip:Hide() works |
| 08:37.54 | Adys | and Tooltip:Show() doesnt anymore |
| 08:37.55 | Tekkub | prolly won't take you long to hit a roadblock where you need the wiki/wowprog to proceede anyway |
| 08:38.09 | Adys | setting the owner again doesnt work |
| 08:38.16 | Tekkub | uh, what are you doing BEFORE :Show()? |
| 08:38.23 | Adys | nothing |
| 08:38.27 | Adys | Im doing this literally ingame |
| 08:38.40 | Tekkub | you have to se something on the tip |
| 08:38.51 | Tekkub | else there's nothing to show, and it won't |
| 08:39.12 | Adys | I have |
| 08:39.23 | Adys | try to do like |
| 08:39.28 | Tekkub | you just said you're doing nothing before show :P |
| 08:39.29 | Adys | sec |
| 08:39.41 | Adys | well I have a valid tooltip |
| 08:39.45 | Adys | then i :Hide() it |
| 08:39.54 | Adys | and when i :Show() it again it doesnt appear |
| 08:39.55 | Tekkub | and then it's gone |
| 08:40.06 | Adys | why o why |
| 08:40.08 | Tekkub | you have to set something before show |
| 08:40.13 | Adys | right |
| 08:40.13 | Tekkub | or there's nothing to show |
| 08:40.16 | Adys | after wont work? |
| 08:40.20 | Tekkub | EVERY TIME |
| 08:40.26 | Tekkub | no after won't work |
| 08:40.37 | Tekkub | SetOwner, SetHyperlink, Show |
| 08:40.39 | Adys | okay thanks (ffs) |
| 08:40.51 | Kalroth | I knew that! |
| 08:41.00 | Tekkub | tooltip's a picky bitch |
| 08:41.01 | Kalroth | The tooltip is recreated on every Show() |
| 08:41.32 | Adys | is there a reason why blizz doesnt fix this? |
| 08:41.38 | Adys | this as in the whole tooltip system |
| 08:41.39 | Tekkub | that's how they want it |
| 08:41.57 | Tekkub | they've "fixed" it before to make it work like this |
| 08:42.21 | Tekkub | used to be you could set the owner to nil and it was easy to work with a hidden tip for scanning |
| 08:42.30 | Tekkub | then they changed it and you have to set owner every time |
| 08:42.39 | Adys | its not only that |
| 08:42.42 | Tekkub | which clears it, every time |
| 08:43.11 | Adys | for example you have a tooltip of item 12345 |
| 08:43.13 | Tekkub | if you give it something invalid, it clears the owner too, if I remember right |
| 08:43.35 | Adys | if you click the link again, it fires the close function twice |
| 08:43.46 | Tekkub | link? |
| 08:43.52 | Adys | onhyperlinkshow |
| 08:43.54 | Kalroth | item link |
| 08:44.07 | Kalroth | and if it fires it twice, then something is meddling |
| 08:44.35 | Tekkub | I don't think I've ever seen it firing twice |
| 08:45.02 | Adys | also some group in tradechan is "LF Heroic mage" |
| 08:45.20 | Tekkub | get the fuck out of trade, god |
| 08:45.37 | Kalroth | I've often thought of making a profiler for the wow client - hook the entry points of Lua calls etc., but it'd suck getting a new account every 2-3 months |
| 08:45.39 | Adys | if i do it screws up my channel indexes |
| 08:46.07 | Adys | Kalroth: its such a huge difference to getting a new account every 4 months like you currently do ! |
| 08:46.21 | Kalroth | oi, I've had the same account since launch :/ |
| 08:47.09 | Tekkub | when the hell did zoom player stop having a free version |
| 08:47.31 | Tekkub | and moved to the retard MS "we'll have 3 different versions for different prices" bullshit |
| 08:47.56 | Kalroth | http://io-soup-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/asset/0195/1351_222e.jpeg this could be Adys! |
| 08:48.11 | Adys | this MAY be Adys |
| 08:51.54 | Patrick_P | does the hosting of wow private servers legal or not? I found a couple of sites saying it's legal but i really feel it isn't.... |
| 08:52.31 | Shirik | night night |
| 08:52.48 | Sixen | Patrick_P: It's illegal. |
| 08:53.02 | Adys | Sixen: read his question twice |
| 08:53.12 | Patrick_P | cool nice to know lol |
| 08:53.16 | Sixen | "Is hosting private servers legal or not?" |
| 08:53.20 | Adys | no. |
| 08:53.32 | Sixen | (1:52:37 AM) Patrick_P: does the hosting of wow private servers legal or not? I found a couple of sites saying it's legal but i really feel it isn't.... |
| 08:53.50 | Adys | where? |
| 08:53.58 | Sixen | Where what? |
| 08:54.10 | Patrick_P | well i meant "Is hosting private servers legal or not?" my english isn't perfect |
| 08:54.17 | Sixen | Right, that's what I thought. |
| 08:54.18 | Sixen | :P |
| 08:54.26 | Patrick_P | lol |
| 08:54.54 | Adys | nvm didnt get the last 3 messages for some reason |
| 08:54.57 | Adys | but got them on addybot |
| 08:54.59 | Sixen | :P. |
| 08:55.55 | Patrick_P | I think i'd better take a programming break for christmas then.. lol... i really hate christmas.. and houses without internet connections... lol |
| 08:56.28 | Sixen | I hate the latter. |
| 08:56.31 | Sixen | I like getting shit for free. |
| 08:57.57 | Adys | tinsert(UISpecialFrames, f:GetName()) -- Make it closable with esc |
| 08:58.02 | Adys | is there a way to catch this? |
| 08:58.19 | Adys | when all UISpecialFrames are closed basically |
| 08:58.20 | Patrick_P | well if there's was official wow programming tools published by blizzard and that wouldn't be free... i'd pay for it anyways... well not more than 100$ tho... we are improving their game afterall... |
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| 08:59.12 | Nargiddley | Adys, hook CloseSpecialWindows |
| 08:59.19 | Adys | cheers |
| 08:59.47 | Patrick_P | damn i forgot to research my inscription today... lol |
| 09:00.54 | Patrick_P | eww Glyph of Wyvern Sting... |
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| 09:25.03 | Tekkub | hehe, uTorrent web GUI is kinda neat |
| 09:25.13 | Tekkub | just needs the RSS feeds and it'd be complete |
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| 10:49.03 | WobWork | damn that early shutdown |
| 10:53.48 | mikma | wa |
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| 11:29.21 | zenzio | possibly NSFW and possibly disturbing: http://io-soup-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/asset/0195/1351_222e.jpeg |
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| 11:36.23 | Nom- | *sigh* patch day |
| 11:36.36 | zenzio | so we're getting .0.8? |
| 11:36.38 | Nom- | I thought .. no ... it's practically xmas eve... there's no way there's be maintainence |
| 11:36.46 | Nom- | So I logged out before dailies reset last night |
| 11:36.58 | Nom- | and now i get my acheivement reset so i have to start the 5 days over |
| 11:38.26 | zenzio | doh |
| 11:39.45 | Nom- | suxx to be oceanic |
| 11:39.46 | Nom- | *sigh* |
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| 13:05.37 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a scheduled maintenance. Please note that all European realms will be offline from 05:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET).. . Thank you for your patience and understanding.. . 17/12 FREE MIGRATION |
| 13:05.37 | Shiibot | The following free migration is scheduled to last until end of Tuesday December 23.. . Source realms: Burning Legion, Drak'thul, Sylvanas. Destination realms: Ahn'Qiraj, Burning Blade, Xavius. . Source: Magtheridon (Horde only) |
| 13:05.37 | Shiibot | Destination: Haomarush, Zenedar. |
| 13:10.35 | Fisker- | no patch :( |
| 13:11.39 | zenzio | ~wowalert |
| 13:11.40 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 13:12.04 | zenzio | hm, doesn't say anything about patch on US either |
| 13:12.24 | nevcairiel | You didnt really expect they patch on christmas eve? |
| 13:12.38 | zenzio | <Nom-> *sigh* patch day <-- this made me think so |
| 13:12.54 | Fisker- | US never says anything about patches :P |
| 13:13.10 | Fisker- | why not nevcairiel? :3 |
| 13:13.30 | nevcairiel | because they dont want to work =P |
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| 13:17.00 | Olorin | can you copy a character to test if your actual server is down? |
| 13:20.16 | cbreak | I didn't think WoW would run on a mac book, but it does |
| 13:20.24 | Olorin | nevermind that just tried and it doesnt list my characters :/ |
| 13:20.27 | cbreak | the integrated graphics chip sucks less than I feared |
| 13:22.25 | Fisker- | macs suck though |
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| 13:54.24 | Lopeppeppy | One more works to vacation! |
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| 14:02.51 | Lopeppeppy | That means you're not likely to see me as much from Dec. 23 - January 5 though. |
| 14:03.05 | zenzio | that's what you think |
| 14:03.33 | zenzio | I mean... yes, it does |
| 14:03.43 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes, I has a long-distance stalkers! |
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| 14:07.03 | Lopeppeppy | *poke* |
| 14:07.07 | Lopeppeppy | Morning alestane. One more works! |
| 14:07.16 | zenzio | I'm not sure what's more annoying... having to clear the APC cache all the time to test this code, or having to write a ton of code to parse a signature from an XML field |
| 14:07.22 | alestane | Morning. |
| 14:07.36 | zenzio | because apparently it's too hard to create a separate XML field for the signature, so WE JUST APPEND IT TO ANOTHER FIELD!! |
| 14:08.10 | Lopeppeppy | Appendages! |
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| 14:15.54 | Lunessa | station |
| 14:16.09 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Lunessa! |
| 14:16.16 | Lopeppeppy | One more works. :) |
| 14:22.53 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Is the one more wokrs today or tomorrow? |
| 14:23.18 | alestane | sp* |
| 14:24.25 | Lopeppeppy | One more works is today! |
| 14:25.34 | alestane | By the way, I know another dungeon you could run me through tonight if you want an achievement. |
| 14:26.05 | Lopeppeppy | Already for the Stormwind Sewers? |
| 14:26.05 | Lunessa | Mmmm... Achievements. |
| 14:26.13 | alestane | No, Shadowfang Keep. |
| 14:26.25 | alestane | Lots of caster loot and I have a warlock quest there. |
| 14:26.50 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, really? I want to go there. I haven't been there since Kirwan went for his pally quest. Park your hiney in Southshore and we'll totally go. |
| 14:27.08 | Lopeppeppy | I should be done with errands and dinner by... meep, 7:30 or 8ish ish ish ish. |
| 14:27.21 | Lopeppeppy | Depends how brutal the grocery is tonight. |
| 14:27.29 | alestane | The other half of the quest is in BFD, so I'll sweep up quests for there too. |
| 14:27.36 | Lunessa | Sigh... I wanted to use harsher language. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13909421003&sid=1 |
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| 14:29.14 | Lopeppeppy | Kick 'em in the crotch, Lunessa. It's my new battle cry. |
| 14:29.28 | Lopeppeppy | alestane doesn't let me post on the forums when I want to murder people.... *tragic sigh* |
| 14:29.45 | alestane | When do you ever check with me? |
| 14:29.58 | Lopeppeppy | I don't. I just blame you. :) |
| 14:30.14 | Lunessa | He can't restrain me the same way, but at least he points out my errors gently. *nod*nod* I owe him a beer, or a video card, or something. |
| 14:40.00 | alestane | I can't restrain anyone. I just do my best to lead by example. |
| 14:40.54 | alestane | Okay, this is weird. D&D Tiny Adventures just keeps dumping me back to the "Failed the adventure on the last encounter" screen when I try to start a new adventure. |
| 14:41.43 | alestane | For what, darling? |
| 14:41.45 | Lopeppeppy | The D&D thing is related to the potion select screen. IF you sell down to 2 potions, you can start adventures again. |
| 14:41.50 | Lopeppeppy | Not being able to restrain. :) |
| 14:42.31 | alestane | Okay, souds like a bug but at least there's a workaround. Thank you Peppy! |
| 14:42.51 | Lopeppeppy | Welcome dear. |
| 14:43.14 | p3lim | is there some macro condition/modifier or something that force hides the reagent count? |
| 14:43.16 | alestane | Well, that's not entirely true. I can restrain some people in some ways. But people who are not in the same state are substantially harder to. |
| 14:43.24 | alestane | p3lim: JustTheArt. |
| 14:43.34 | foxlit | [JustTheArt] clearly |
| 14:43.44 | p3lim | im using Dominos for buttons |
| 14:44.03 | p3lim | and i want it only disabled on one button (which is a macro) |
| 14:44.08 | alestane | Then no. |
| 14:44.28 | alestane | Unless you want to make a little custom mod or Dominos offers button-by-button settings. |
| 14:44.35 | p3lim | Got a glyph that makes rebirth use no reagents, but the counter says 0 |
| 14:44.38 | p3lim | bugs me a bit |
| 14:44.54 | p3lim | esp. since i have buttons shown now |
| 14:46.31 | alestane | You could try using #show instead of #showtooltip, but I think it still shows the count. Otherwise I think you'll have to use Lua to hide the fontstring on the button by name. You could put it into the macro or make it an addon. |
| 14:47.00 | alestane | Peppy: Yes, that worked, although I feel silly for having bought an extra potion first. |
| 14:47.04 | foxlit | Druid, eh. |
| 14:47.19 | foxlit | Find an unrelated spell with the same range and mana cost? |
| 14:47.20 | Lopeppeppy | Me too, alestane...trust me, I hoep they have the bug fixed soon. |
| 14:47.53 | foxlit | Then use #show/#showtooltip to force the macro to pull usability data for the other spell; customize the macro icon so that it looks like Rebirth. |
| 14:48.03 | cbreak | today is patch day in the US? |
| 14:48.29 | nevcairiel | no |
| 14:48.40 | cbreak | och... I want to Torment the Weak :/ |
| 14:51.02 | p3lim | foxlit: theres an issue with that |
| 14:51.34 | p3lim | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.41 | p3lim | with #showtooltip and ? icon |
| 14:52.17 | foxlit | Meh, you got yourself in that mess :) |
| 14:52.21 | p3lim | yap |
| 14:52.39 | GShock | Anybody knows how can track events in game, DevTools is out of date... |
| 14:53.00 | alestane | DevTools works fine. |
| 14:53.11 | p3lim | there are conditions like [form:1] |
| 14:53.23 | p3lim | is there a counter to that? [noform] didnt do anything |
| 14:53.28 | alestane | Check off the "Load Out-of-date Add-ons" button. |
| 14:53.55 | GShock | i got error says "SetFontObject" or something.. |
| 14:54.05 | foxlit | ~devtools |
| 14:54.06 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 14:57.30 | GShock | gotta!~ I downloaded the 1.8-20400 version,,, |
| 14:57.46 | GShock | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.28 | Pzyk | try nostance p3lim |
| 14:58.53 | pastamancer | alestane: btw, using [pet:Dragonkin] for raid frames doesn't work for two reasons: it's always checking your pet and the arg is compared against unitcreatureclass not unitcreaturetype, so the need for unithasvehicleui in the restricted environment is even more urgent |
| 14:59.33 | nevcairiel | the secure environment could use some other really handy functions, but what can you do |
| 14:59.54 | pastamancer | you can bug alestane! |
| 15:00.00 | nevcairiel | i tried :P |
| 15:01.16 | nevcairiel | IsHarmfulSpell/IsHelpfulSpell would really ease somethin i'm trying to do for Bartender, but shrug |
| 15:01.50 | nevcairiel | I ended up doing that for all spells in my spellbook and sending that table somewhere into the secure environment =P |
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| 15:09.25 | alestane | nevcairiel: I'll take that under advisement, since I was the one who lobbied for those functions in the first place. pastamancer: Does the UnitCreatureClass function return anything usable? |
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| 15:12.11 | Lunessa | http://www.xkcd.com/386/ |
| 15:12.29 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 15:13.42 | pastamancer | alestane: UnitCreatureClass returns nil for all the vehicles I tried... I ended up using the unit name before realizing that it was only ever going to check the "pet" unit |
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| 15:18.36 | ckknight | Nechckn: the pokemans? |
| 15:22.08 | GShock | Any API that can change the font of the the health/mana bar text? |
| 15:30.17 | Anaral | Bah the authenticator is sold out again. |
| 15:32.09 | alestane | pastamancer: All I can say is that it's a known issue, there are a few possible solutions, but it's not getting addressed this patch. |
| 15:39.40 | Lunessa | ckknight: my pokemans, let me show you them? |
| 15:39.50 | ckknight | :-) |
| 15:48.17 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* More of sleet and freezing rain overnight. What is up with the weather up here? |
| 15:49.37 | Cairenn|afk | I don't know, but I wish like hell it wasn't going to be doing that |
| 15:49.44 | Cairenn|afk | I have to drive to Syracuse and back |
| 15:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | Yowch. |
| 15:49.56 | Cairenn|afk | yeah |
| 15:50.01 | Cairenn|afk | >$J!@#$%SJfla |
| 15:50.20 | Lopeppeppy | When do you drive it? |
| 15:50.30 | Cairenn|afk | going to pick up the rental shortly |
| 15:51.10 | Lopeppeppy | If you're getting out like... soon, you could be there before the weather hits tonight.. coming back is less fun between midnight and tomorrow. |
| 15:51.18 | Cairenn|afk | yeah |
| 15:51.29 | Lopeppeppy | No chance of a hotel-hideaway? |
| 15:53.59 | Lunessa | Cairenn|afk: Drive safely. Stay warm. Carry your cell and a good emergency kit. Arrive safely. Have a nice visit. This bag is not a toy. Batteries are not included. Actual color may differ from art on pacakging. |
| 15:54.14 | Cairenn|afk | Lunessa: lol |
| 15:54.29 | |Jelly| | Such violence this morning. |
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| 15:54.47 | Olorin | GShock if you find out the name of the fontstring you can use setfont, http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/FontInstance/SetFont |
| 16:00.48 | Lunessa | The art for the 2009 "Year of Fear" WoW desk calendar is nice. I'm going to have to save/scan the pieces to use as desktop art. |
| 16:02.15 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh! |
| 16:02.29 | Lopeppeppy | My secret santa got me Hacking World of Warcraft for the holidays! I was totally excited. |
| 16:03.44 | Lunessa | Nice. Mine got me a Bionicle robot. Our "Secret Santa" thing has us buying toys, exchanging the gifts at a party, then all the toys go to charity. |
| 16:03.55 | GShock | Olorin: Thanks, I'll try:) |
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| 16:05.18 | Larana | That was very odd... I plugged in a USB cord and my computer rebooted itself. o.O |
| 16:05.35 | Lopeppeppy | hacked! :) |
| 16:05.38 | Lunessa | That's not a good sign. |
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| 16:05.50 | Larana | I know |
| 16:06.18 | Larana | I was also running a Spybot S&D scan at the time... which really makes me wonder. |
| 16:06.21 | Lunessa | It usually means either there is something wrong with your power supply, something wrong with your USB driver, or ... you've got way too much USB crap plugged in and drew too much power. |
| 16:07.20 | Larana | I'll side with usb driver. Power supply is new and I only have my mouse and keyboard hooked up all the time. |
| 16:08.18 | Olorin | if its an icybox external had disk enclosure i'd take it back |
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| 16:12.40 | Larana | Olorin, it's not. |
| 16:14.57 | Olorin | only said that cause I once had one that when plugged in it automatically installed incorrect drivers, worked fine on xp but not vista 64bit... |
| 16:15.10 | Corr-work | that's... odd |
| 16:15.34 | Corr-work | unless the device, whatever "one" is, brings its own drivers, and doesn't have a vista x64 version |
| 16:15.56 | Olorin | ya but the retailer tested it and found same issue so the accepted it back... |
| 16:16.41 | Olorin | kinda ironic at the time since I had a hard disk that vibrated like a washing machine and they claimed it wasnt faulty,despite my having 2 others exactly the same that didnt... oh well |
| 16:17.39 | Gnarfoz | sounds like incorrectly wired USB ports to me ;D |
| 16:18.24 | |Jelly| | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 16:19.04 | Lopeppeppy | Cuttlefish!!! |
| 16:20.12 | Corr-work | well, that one's sorta amusing. good job there. |
| 16:20.34 | Lunessa | They make a nice fillet with an almond glaze, garnished with parsley and arugula. |
| 16:20.38 | foxlit | No, Robots! |
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| 16:21.14 | Larana | Gnarfoz might be right.... And I'm still running xp, so no worries with vista 64 |
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| 16:22.49 | Aelobin | hai guyz - any idea how i can edit the EditBox text before it's sent |
| 16:24.46 | Corr-work | do you have any other context for this question? editbox in wow? "sent"? |
| 16:26.41 | Aelobin | sorry :P erm |
| 16:27.22 | Aelobin | basically whenever anyone types something into the ChatFrameEditBox in wow, i want my addon to be able to edit/change the text when they press Enter |
| 16:28.42 | alestane | I suspect that hooking the <OnEnterPressed> script for the chatframe may foul up macro/script processing. |
| 16:29.11 | Aelobin | thats what i thought |
| 16:29.12 | Corr-work | a very interesting question, and of course one i can't help with |
| 16:29.21 | alestane | Are you trying to modify /command entering, or just chat? |
| 16:29.27 | Aelobin | just chat |
| 16:29.42 | alestane | Then you're probably better off off wrapping SendChatMessage. |
| 16:29.50 | Aelobin | hmm what do you mean? |
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| 16:33.00 | Lunessa | There's a thread "about it on the forums right now actually... |
| 16:33.10 | Aelobin | ooh linky if you could :) |
| 16:34.45 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13832925929&sid=1 |
| 16:35.00 | Aelobin | tyvm :) |
| 16:35.58 | Aelobin | thats very clever |
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| 16:40.34 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
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| 16:42.23 | GShock | Where can I get a list of patches that BLZ ever released? |
| 16:42.31 | Aelobin | http://www.wowwiki.com/Hooking_Outgoing_Chat_Messages or http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13832925929&sid=1 ? |
| 16:44.07 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 16:44.50 | alestane | I think either will work, but I'm more likely to use the latter. |
| 16:45.12 | zenzelezz | out of curiosity, what are you modifying? |
| 16:45.14 | Aelobin | i tested the first one and it seems to have a delay on sending messages |
| 16:45.37 | Aelobin | just trying it out zenze :) |
| 16:45.42 | Aelobin | never hooked secure functions etc before |
| 16:46.00 | zenzelezz | altering chat just sounds fishy ;) |
| 16:46.10 | Aelobin | nah im not doing anythign fishy :) |
| 16:46.20 | Aelobin | best way to learn is to dismantle/try ;) |
| 16:46.38 | zenzelezz | you're appending [Dirge] to the end of every phrase, aren't you? ;-) |
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| 16:46.57 | Aelobin | lmao |
| 16:47.02 | Aelobin | now that i have the idea... |
| 16:47.04 | zenzelezz | "appending to the end"... that's a bit redundant >.< |
| 16:47.16 | Corr-work | indeed |
| 16:47.27 | Aelobin | lol |
| 16:47.30 | Anaral | Ugh, it would appear three of my six USB ports don't work. :( |
| 16:47.33 | Lunessa | Actually, he's adding the litany from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" that themonks sing. |
| 16:47.42 | Corr-work | Anaral: are they hooked up to the motherboard? |
| 16:48.18 | Anaral | Yes. I get an error when I plug them in that it can't recognize the device and that it may not be working properly. |
| 16:48.58 | Anaral | *when I plug a device into them* |
| 16:49.16 | Corr-work | oh, hm. that's an unusual thing. |
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| 16:53.52 | Olorin | kinda longshot but its not a 2.0 only device in a 1.0 slot? |
| 16:53.59 | Aelobin | thanks again guyz |
| 16:54.01 | Aelobin | adios |
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| 16:59.16 | Anaral | I'm pretty sure all the slots are 2.0 |
| 17:01.20 | Olorin | what device is it? |
| 17:04.22 | Anaral | Sony's Cybershot cord for transfering images. Their site says that no additional drivers are needed to run it. |
| 17:04.42 | ZorbaTHut | anaral, does it work on the other slots? |
| 17:04.43 | Olorin | it could be that the pins in the usb plug have been damaged/pushed back, I once had a pendrive where the pins wernt aligned correctly, outer 2 should be closer to the front than the middle 2, I'm assuming that the outer two provide power slightly earlier before the inner ones announce the devices presence ... not positive though |
| 17:05.13 | nevcairiel | hm yeah, my cybershot connection works out of the box |
| 17:05.16 | Anaral | Yes, it's how I realized that one of the back usb slots doesn't work. |
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| 17:13.27 | Anaral | In the device manager the unknown device has error code 28... I'm looking it up now. |
| 17:17.36 | Fisker- | drivers not installed :3 |
| 17:17.50 | Fisker- | fyi when i had to transfer pictars from my brothers cybershot i needed drivers |
| 17:17.56 | Fisker- | and they didn't even have 32-bit drivers |
| 17:18.07 | Fisker- | so i was like FFUFUUFFUFU |
| 17:18.13 | Fisker- | err |
| 17:18.16 | Fisker- | 64-bit drivers |
| 17:18.32 | Olorin | Most cameras just install themselves as mass storage devices, same as pen drives |
| 17:19.04 | Corr-work | just like portable music players should... but usually don't |
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| 17:19.27 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 17:21.25 | Anaral | *sighs* |
| 17:23.01 | Olorin | let me guess, error code 28 says Reserved for future use lol I hate that |
| 17:23.30 | Fisker- | as i said it's no drivers installed |
| 17:23.39 | Anaral | Aye. |
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| 17:23.54 | Anaral | But it's for the SM Bus Controller... |
| 17:24.17 | Anaral | Okay photo printer plugged in fine. |
| 17:24.47 | Anaral | in the debunked back slot. Unfortunately the cord doesn't extend to try the front ones. |
| 17:26.57 | Anaral | Okay, if I plug my keyboard in the debunked back slot I get the unknown device error, but I plug it in to one of the other back ports it works... obviously. |
| 17:27.39 | alestane | "Welcome to Muppet Labs, where the future is being made today..." |
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| 17:34.16 | Cairenn|afk | have a good day all, I'm heading out now, won't be back on until tomorrow |
| 17:34.35 | Lopeppeppy | Drive safely, Cairenn. I'll be thinking about you! |
| 17:35.08 | Olorin | have fun |
| 17:35.23 | batrick | byes |
| 17:38.09 | Anaral | Why does it appear that only devices that aren't supposed to need drivers are the ones that are malfunctioning? At least in the back port. |
| 17:38.22 | alestane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQj2NP25TIo |
| 17:38.52 | Anaral | front ones too, confirmed. |
| 17:39.35 | Lopeppeppy | Muppets rule |
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| 17:40.28 | Olorin | wonder if windows is attaching to the wrong driver, it caches previously seend devices.. you can get device manager to show hidden(preconfiged) devices via starting it from command line but cant think of the command |
| 17:41.33 | Anaral | the device manager actually has an option to display hidden devices. |
| 17:42.09 | alestane | A classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqyFjVnWwto |
| 17:42.22 | Olorin | not the same, its refered to as non-present but in anycase be very supprised if its anything to do with that |
| 17:43.54 | Olorin | set DEVMGR_SHOW_NONPRESENT_DEVICES=1 |
| 17:43.56 | Olorin | start devmgmt.msc |
| 17:43.58 | Olorin | Is the batch file I use but play with it at your own risk |
| 17:45.03 | Anaral | Well as long as the two ports to my mouse and keyboard don't go beserk, I'll try the basic stuff before messing with the registry. |
| 17:45.57 | Lunessa | For computers, much like women, one must iniitialize the back port before attaching devices. :P |
| 17:46.14 | Olorin | could just be somthing faulty with the plug_n_play manager |
| 17:46.41 | Anaral | I really wish Windows Update was more efficient. |
| 17:46.49 | Anaral | It always gets stuck. |
| 17:46.55 | alestane | Probably the most bizarre thing Muppet Labs has ever produced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ayQelkb1uk |
| 17:48.15 | alestane | And of course, only the Swedish Chef would make donuts by shooting skeet with muffins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbs64GvGgPU |
| 17:48.40 | Lopeppeppy | Chocoalte Moose is my favorite. :) |
| 17:48.51 | Anaral | Going to reboot. Maybe then WU will want to install. |
| 17:49.08 | Olorin | lol definately bizarre |
| 17:49.17 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.37 | alestane | Chocolate mouse: yer doin it wrong. |
| 17:50.54 | Olorin | if thats what on the muppets nowadays no wonder the kids today are so screwed up lol |
| 17:51.14 | alestane | That's what was on the Muppets 25 years ago, my friend. |
| 17:51.27 | mikma | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/23/iboobs/ <- kinda nsfw but still funneh! shirik be aware |
| 17:51.28 | Shirik | <3 chocolate moose |
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| 17:52.12 | Shirik | rofl Mike-N-Go |
| 17:52.14 | Lopeppeppy | Frog legs. I love frog legs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzLgHGCtlVQ |
| 17:52.17 | Shirik | mikma* |
| 17:52.51 | Lopeppeppy | Now I'm on a chef binge. :) |
| 17:52.57 | Olorin | lol thats gotta be best iphone prgram ive seen, just dont play with it too much on the bus |
| 17:53.18 | Lunessa | The comments section is entertaining. http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/12/mediterranean-c.html |
| 17:55.02 | alestane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auXrmn5uqOk CHICKEN WINS! |
| 17:55.45 | Shirik | AGAIN Lunessa? |
| 17:55.55 | Lopeppeppy | No Shirik, more. |
| 17:55.57 | Lunessa | Yeah, again. |
| 17:56.00 | Lunessa | And more. |
| 17:57.24 | alestane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu9A0LlLyvo You just know someone woke up in the middle of the night going, "Mexican Lobsters!" |
| 17:57.45 | Shirik | The comments section is a load of crap, Lunessa |
| 17:57.55 | Lunessa | I said it was entertaining. |
| 17:58.04 | Lopeppeppy | Of course it is, Shirik, that's why it makes funny lunch reading. |
| 17:58.19 | Shirik | RE: Satellite uplinks |
| 17:58.22 | Shirik | download speeds over satellite are pretty good, upload speeds though require so much buffering, boosting, and filtering that it is absolutely an impossible option. Anyone that has ever tried playing video games over a satellite connection can verify this for you :) |
| 17:58.22 | Shirik | IR is a technology that would work well, regrettably items in orbit do not stay in the same exact position, so aiming a transmitter would be a costly nightmare |
| 17:58.24 | Shirik | .... |
| 17:58.33 | Olorin | like the comment .. why cant they fly sats at 2000km |
| 17:58.41 | Shirik | Firstly it's the latency, not the bandwidth |
| 17:58.54 | Shirik | secondly, if satellites don't stay in the exact same position, how the fuck do you think satellites work already? |
| 17:59.02 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nS0t51CTDo&feature=related |
| 18:00.23 | nevcairiel | alestane: the _childupdate-<state> snippets, are those run with the headers environment table, or does each child have their own? |
| 18:01.04 | alestane | Those are run against the header. |
| 18:01.34 | Shirik | where is that Olorin? |
| 18:01.38 | Shirik | I don't see it |
| 18:01.38 | nevcairiel | hm darn |
| 18:01.41 | Shirik | but I'd kill someone |
| 18:01.51 | nevcairiel | can i somehow get to the childs environment from there? |
| 18:01.53 | alestane | If you want to trigger a piece of code against another frame, use control:RunFor. |
| 18:02.03 | nevcairiel | Hm |
| 18:02.09 | nevcairiel | that might work |
| 18:02.09 | nevcairiel | thanks |
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| 18:03.01 | Olorin | commnet on http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/12/mediterranean-c.html, do search for 2000 its about 10 or so comments from top |
| 18:03.22 | leethal | is it possible to scale fonstrings just like one can scale a frame? |
| 18:03.47 | leethal | setting the scale of a frame that contains a fontstring doesn't seem to alter the size of that fontstring. Perhaps I'm doing it wrong. |
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| 18:05.37 | Shirik | I see it now Olorin |
| 18:05.46 | Shirik | that's pretty awesome |
| 18:06.46 | Olorin | would be if they stayed at 2000km instead of plumeting into earth |
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| 18:07.47 | Anaral | What does it mean when Windows Update just pings at me anywhere I click on it? The progress bar shows no progress, but the task manager doesn't say it's not responding. |
| 18:08.27 | Olorin | usualy indicates you have a popup in background |
| 18:09.10 | Anaral | Olorin, no popups. |
| 18:09.14 | Olorin | or somewhere for that window that you need to answer/close before it will let you interact with the window you see |
| 18:09.59 | Anaral | Just the updater and IE. I can't access IE either, but that doesn't really matter since I use Firefox. |
| 18:10.53 | Anaral | And if there is something that isn't showing on my task bar that is under the windows, it's not letting me move, minimize, close, etc. the two windows so I'm stuck. |
| 18:10.59 | nevcairiel | alestane: is pre1 still the newest of Iriels guides? |
| 18:11.33 | alestane | I don't think so, his document has gone through several revisions. |
| 18:12.03 | nevcairiel | its the latest one linked in the 3.0 thread though |
| 18:12.20 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/emotes.lua :D |
| 18:12.26 | Olorin | Anaral not sure what to suggest, are you running Service Pack 3? if not maybee try downloading the full sp then running it wihtout using WU, its about 700mb though |
| 18:12.56 | alestane | Or maybe it is. I don't remember exactly what stage of construction that's from, but it may be the latest. |
| 18:12.59 | Anaral | Are there still major issues with SP3? |
| 18:13.02 | Olorin | would definately suggest you do backup before hand though, incase it goes horribly wrong |
| 18:13.16 | Anaral | Aye. Most definitely. |
| 18:13.18 | alestane | Keep in mind there are substantial changes on the PTR. |
| 18:13.22 | Olorin | couldnt tell you, I run Vista 64bit now :/ |
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| 18:16.34 | Shirik | Olorin: I was more amused by the thought that it was that easy to pass off control between satellites |
| 18:17.02 | Fisker- | get him |
| 18:17.03 | Shirik | Granted that's how GPS works |
| 18:17.13 | Shirik | but that's a 99% unidirectional siganl |
| 18:17.15 | Shirik | signal* |
| 18:18.12 | Olorin | despite being owned by different companies/countries? |
| 18:26.05 | Shirik | We've really gotta stop sending satellites up though |
| 18:26.10 | Shirik | we're going to run out of space soon enough |
| 18:27.25 | selckin | don't worry, human civilisation will be decimated i about 200 years |
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| 18:27.47 | Corr-work | if it'll stop me from having to go to meetings, i just might enjoy it |
| 18:27.55 | Shirik | I expect us to kill ourselves soon enough |
| 18:29.28 | Fisker- | get him |
| 18:29.29 | ckknight | it's okay, Shirik, it's just your time |
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| 18:32.02 | Lunessa | very interesting... http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/12/hydrokinetic.html |
| 18:32.57 | Shirik | that's a good idea |
| 18:33.00 | Shirik | I wonder why that wasn't done long ago |
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| 18:34.58 | Anaral | Nvidia should not have a program that's named, "Should not see me." |
| 18:36.22 | Anaral | *blinks* I only have my keyboard and mouse plugged in and I just rebooted... so why did I just get a message the usb error messages from earlier? |
| 18:37.23 | Lunessa | Shirik: I looked at that at went... "Duh! Of course that would work." and the I went /facepalm "Why didn't *I* think of that?" |
| 18:37.49 | Shirik | I do think there are a lot of things out there like that |
| 18:38.04 | Shirik | where the answers are staring at us in the face but we're too boxed in to think of them |
| 18:38.28 | Kirov | Because people have thought of it before, but usually they build it with a damn to concentrate the water. |
| 18:38.55 | Shirik | but that requires a lot more construction |
| 18:39.03 | Kirov | But you get a lot more power. |
| 18:39.10 | Lopeppeppy | It's gonna suck to keep clear of zebra mussels. |
| 18:39.12 | Shirik | we can go back and forth on this forever :) |
| 18:39.54 | Kirov | Water wheels aren't exactly a new thing. |
| 18:39.56 | Lunessa | The beauty of those devices is you could keep placing them down-stream and generate power all along the river course. |
| 18:40.00 | Seerah | I was thinking - "I hope they'll have a grate or something on that... would hate to have all the fish sucked through and chopped to pieces..." |
| 18:40.01 | Tem|work | Shirik: does shiibot have a command to dumb the current server alert? |
| 18:40.16 | Shirik | He used to |
| 18:40.18 | Shirik | !serveralert |
| 18:40.24 | Shirik | guess I took that out |
| 18:40.29 | Tem|work | fail |
| 18:40.33 | Shirik | I worry about that due to the potential for abuse |
| 18:40.42 | Tem|work | ? |
| 18:40.48 | Tem|work | put a throttle on it |
| 18:40.50 | Seerah | spammers could overload shiibot |
| 18:40.59 | Seerah | once every 5 mins? |
| 18:41.25 | Kirov | Seerah - That is probably more likely to cause damage than with out. |
| 18:41.25 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: [December 23, 2008, 10:35AM PST]. . We will be extending the regularly scheduled maintenance by two hours and expect to have all realms available at approximately 1:00PM PST.. . . [December 22, 2008, 6:00PM PST]. |
| 18:41.25 | Shiibot | We will be performing maintenance for all realms on Tuesday, December 23rd. The downtime will begin at 3:00AM PST and end at approximately 11:00AM PST.. . . [December 22, 2008, 4:30PM PST]. |
| 18:41.25 | Shiibot | We have received confirmation that the issues affecting Comcast player's connectivity to World of Warcraft are now resolved. If you are still having trouble playing World of Warcraft please visit our technical support forums and provide the details and information to resolve any issues that may be outstanding. |
| 18:41.29 | Shirik | uh |
| 18:41.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:41.35 | Shirik | there you go Tem :D |
| 18:41.37 | Tem|work | lol |
| 18:42.27 | Tem|work | that's what I wanted to see if they were gonna do |
| 18:42.34 | Tem|work | extended maint again |
| 18:42.39 | Tem|work | that's 2 weeks in a row! |
| 18:43.07 | Tem|work | I pretty strongly doubt we'll get 3.0.8 today |
| 18:43.19 | Tem|work | so we've got more extended maint to look forward to soon |
| 18:44.15 | Nechckn | Tem|afk that's just your friends at Blizz making the game extra, extra special! |
| 18:46.56 | Nechckn | If there is no patch, it really makes you wonder what they are doing. |
| 18:47.33 | Shirik | !reload |
| 18:47.33 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 18:47.37 | Shirik | !serveralert |
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| 18:47.41 | Shirik | hrm |
| 18:47.52 | Nechckn | it would be nice if one of these companies was just a tad bit more open about what they were/are doing. Especially with a relatively technical userbase, and all. |
| 18:48.11 | KarlKFI | QQ moar |
| 18:48.16 | Nechckn | I don't expect minutia, just some sense of what is happening |
| 18:48.22 | KarlKFI | used to be every week |
| 18:48.40 | Shirik | !quit |
| 18:48.50 | Nechckn | Nah, not crying, just saying it would be cool - I rarely can play around the times they do the maint anyway. |
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| 18:49.00 | Shirik | !serveralert |
| 18:49.00 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: [December 23, 2008, 10:35AM PST]. . We will be extending the regularly scheduled maintenance by two hours and expect to have all realms available at approximately 1:00PM PST.. . . [December 22, 2008, 6:00PM PST]. |
| 18:49.00 | Shiibot | We will be performing maintenance for all realms on Tuesday, December 23rd. The downtime will begin at 3:00AM PST and end at approximately 11:00AM PST.. . . [December 22, 2008, 4:30PM PST]. |
| 18:49.01 | Shiibot | We have received confirmation that the issues affecting Comcast player's connectivity to World of Warcraft are now resolved. If you are still having trouble playing World of Warcraft please visit our technical support forums and provide the details and information to resolve any issues that may be outstanding. |
| 18:49.04 | Shirik | that was odd |
| 18:49.05 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a scheduled maintenance. Please note that all European realms will be offline from 05:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET).. . Thank you for your patience and understanding.. . 17/12 FREE MIGRATION |
| 18:49.09 | Shiibot | The following free migration is scheduled to last until end of Tuesday December 23.. . Source realms: Burning Legion, Drak'thul, Sylvanas. Destination realms: Ahn'Qiraj, Burning Blade, Xavius. . Source: Magtheridon (Horde only) |
| 18:49.12 | Shiibot | Destination: Haomarush, Zenedar. |
| 18:49.15 | Shirik | RIGHT |
| 18:49.20 | Shirik | forgot there was two sets of server alert |
| 18:49.23 | Shirik | sorry :( |
| 18:49.29 | mikma | us and eu |
| 18:49.36 | Shirik | spam >.> |
| 18:50.08 | Kirov | Damn it, who lets those spammers in here!? don't we have bots to take care of that? |
| 18:50.12 | Kirov | ;) |
| 18:50.59 | Nechckn | mean old KarlKFI, with his malicious QQ labeling |
| 18:51.09 | KarlKFI | QQ moar |
| 18:51.16 | Nechckn | See! |
| 18:51.21 | Shirik | I know how I can reduce the spam |
| 18:51.27 | Taladris | !serveralert US |
| 18:51.33 | Lunessa | Well, considering this is the last maintenance before the holiday, I rather expect they're doing all sort of "just in case" stuff today. |
| 18:51.34 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 18:51.51 | Shirik | Well I was going to do that, but I'm thinking about sending it in NOTICEs instead |
| 18:51.57 | KarlKFI | shirk, do an ip lookup for continent and default to that |
| 18:52.06 | Taladris | lol. |
| 18:52.08 | Shirik | oh god no |
| 18:52.11 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 18:52.15 | Shirik | shiibot has already gotten out of control |
| 18:52.19 | Shirik | I can barely read his AI file anymore |
| 18:52.22 | Taladris | That sounds like it'd be fun and exciting to code. |
| 18:52.24 | Taladris | haha |
| 18:52.27 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 18:52.56 | Nechckn | So, soon, he can just start "fixing" himself, Shirik |
| 18:53.22 | Kirov | ShiiNet? |
| 18:53.27 | Nechckn | then, when he takes over the Pentagon and Kremlin, things can get interesting |
| 18:53.34 | Taladris | Kirov: haha. icwhatudidthar |
| 18:53.38 | Shirik | lua> ("Foo"):toupper() |
| 18:53.39 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call method 'toupper' (a nil value) |
| 18:53.41 | Lunessa | *chuckle* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13909382215&sid=1#3 |
| 18:53.41 | Shirik | lua> ("Foo"):upper() |
| 18:53.42 | lua_bot | Shirik: FOO |
| 18:53.52 | Shirik | I think I know too many languages :( |
| 18:53.56 | Shirik | I confuse the libraries |
| 18:54.15 | Taladris | Shirik: Happens to the best of us. :( |
| 18:54.45 | KarlKFI | doesn't happen to me, i have the unique ability to forget everythign i've ever learned and am not currently using |
| 18:55.04 | Taladris | lol |
| 18:55.28 | KarlKFI | this week i know java and lua. if i need anythign else i'll google it back into my brain |
| 18:55.50 | Taladris | I should really learn lua |
| 18:56.05 | KarlKFI | so as long as i can remember not to use .equals in lua i should be ok |
| 18:56.09 | Taladris | Just so I could tweak addons here and there |
| 18:56.11 | Shirik | !reload |
| 18:56.16 | Shirik | oh he's not online |
| 18:56.17 | Shirik | dododo |
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| 18:56.32 | Shirik | ok Tem|afk that should do it |
| 18:56.45 | Taladris | Shirik: It'll be funny the day you do !reload and he /notice's you "NO! I dun wanna" |
| 18:57.12 | Shirik | !reload |
| 18:57.12 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 19:00.33 | KarlKFI | Haxorz Initialized |
| 19:01.21 | Lunessa | *breaking Kremilin Firewall* *Initiating launch code sequence* Merry Christmas! |
| 19:01.31 | Lopeppeppy | HAX! |
| 19:02.03 | Shirik | heh |
| 19:02.08 | Nechckn | nice |
| 19:02.14 | Shirik | I just folded one of the blocks of code in my editor |
| 19:02.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: http://xkcd.com/416/ ? |
| 19:02.26 | Lunessa | WE ARE SHIBOT. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED. |
| 19:02.31 | Shirik | I didn't think it was that long, but now my code jumps from line 685 to line 2115 |
| 19:02.33 | Shirik | that's bad :/ |
| 19:02.49 | Shirik | fricking XML parsers |
| 19:02.53 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, you wonder why I hate XML |
| 19:02.57 | NightHawkTheSane | XML is a pita. |
| 19:03.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Although I must say, .NET libraries handle it rather nicely |
| 19:03.19 | Shirik | SAX isn't bad |
| 19:03.24 | Shirik | But still it can be a pita |
| 19:03.26 | Corr-work | pita isn't too bad. i don't like most bread. |
| 19:03.50 | Corr-work | ahah, ahah |
| 19:03.57 | Lunessa | I need that wifi config tool. But first I need a laptop. |
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| 19:10.14 | Patrick_P | hey i have a quick question before i leave for christmas vacation... lol chapter 14 in wow programming book.. they speak about addon studio... is it up to date and a good program to use? |
| 19:12.02 | Corr-work | lol i dunno ?_? |
| 19:13.26 | Lunessa | ~addonstudio |
| 19:13.40 | Lunessa | Interesting. We have no factoid. |
| 19:13.46 | Patrick_P | lol |
| 19:13.59 | Patrick_P | neways i gotta go... thx for the help tho |
| 19:14.02 | Lunessa | Patrick_P: It's a useful tool. Don't use it to replace thinking. |
| 19:14.19 | Patrick_P | cool thx |
| 19:14.50 | leethal | are people actually using the addon studio, or was it added for political corectness? =P |
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| 19:20.05 | KarlKFI | It's a VisualStudio plugin, right? |
| 19:20.15 | KarlKFI | or a free version or something |
| 19:20.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: parsing it sucks. Which is why we have other programs that already do that. |
| 19:20.56 | Shirik | SAX only gets you so far >< |
| 19:21.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: besides, it's your fault for choosing XML in the first place for your own project ;) |
| 19:21.15 | Shirik | The reason I chose XML is because it would be easier for others |
| 19:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | key=value |
| 19:21.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 19:21.26 | Shirik | My objective is to make this as easy as possible for anyone that wants to write a module for it |
| 19:21.28 | Shirik | Not that simple :) |
| 19:21.56 | Shirik | I want to support automated updates of modules, but the core knows how to update modules (modules don't have to do anything except provide a update configuration URL) |
| 19:22.31 | Shirik | So I defined a schema such that modules can report this information |
| 19:22.35 | Shirik | http://wowiu.wowinterface.com/update.xml |
| 19:22.41 | Shirik | Allows for it to figure out which updates apply, etc. |
| 19:23.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Package=0.3.0 |
| 19:23.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Size=x |
| 19:23.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Date=x |
| 19:23.35 | ScytheBlade1 | htti://url/ |
| 19:23.39 | ScytheBlade1 | s/i/p/ |
| 19:23.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Tada! |
| 19:23.52 | Shirik | How do you support multiple updates at once? |
| 19:23.55 | ScytheBlade1 | \n\n |
| 19:24.05 | Shirik | and you consider this easy? >.> |
| 19:24.13 | Shirik | (For someone writing the module) |
| 19:24.14 | ScytheBlade1 | You're the one whining about parsing XML |
| 19:24.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't see why it wouldn't be |
| 19:24.20 | KarlKFI | xml ftw |
| 19:24.22 | Shirik | Yes but I whine about anything |
| 19:24.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ~emulate shirik |
| 19:24.33 | purl | I'll answer that in a few minutes when this web page has finished loading... |
| 19:24.43 | ScytheBlade1 | purl, emulate Shirik is "14:24 <@Shirik> Yes but I whine about anything |
| 19:24.44 | purl | ...but emulate shirik is already something else... |
| 19:24.53 | Shirik | .... |
| 19:24.56 | ScytheBlade1 | purl, no, emulate Shirik is "<@Shirik> Yes but I whine about anything" |
| 19:24.57 | purl | ScytheBlade1: okay |
| 19:25.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ~emulate Shirik |
| 19:25.01 | purl | [emulate shirik] "<@Shirik> Yes but I whine about anything" |
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| 19:25.09 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 19:25.12 | Shirik | I would have expected something closer to |
| 19:25.15 | Shirik | ~emulate bleeter |
| 19:25.16 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 19:25.25 | ScytheBlade1 | purl, forget emulate shirik |
| 19:25.25 | purl | ScytheBlade1: i forgot emulate shirik |
| 19:25.33 | ScytheBlade1 | purl, emulate Shirik is I'll whine about anything |
| 19:25.34 | purl | okay, ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:25.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ~emulate shirik |
| 19:25.39 | purl | rumour has it, emulate shirik is I'll whine about anything |
| 19:25.44 | ScytheBlade1 | sigh |
| 19:25.48 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 is fail |
| 19:25.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone else fix it, I just woke up -.- |
| 19:25.54 | Shirik | ~emulate ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:25.57 | Anaral | Yay! I fixed the problem. The chipset driver was out of date. Why it chose today to act up, I have no clue, but no more errors. :D |
| 19:26.02 | nevcairiel | purl, no, emulate shirik is <reply>I'll whine about anything |
| 19:26.03 | purl | okay, nevcairiel |
| 19:26.09 | nevcairiel | ~emulate shirik |
| 19:26.10 | purl | I'll whine about anything |
| 19:26.15 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 19:26.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks, nevcairiel |
| 19:26.28 | Shirik | purl, emulate ScytheBlade1 is <reply>purl, foo is bar, no wait, it's baz, no forget foo, no wait 2+2=5 YAY XML YES! |
| 19:26.29 | purl | okay, Shirik |
| 19:26.34 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? |
| 19:26.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That doesn't even make sense |
| 19:26.37 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:26.38 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:26.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait a minute |
| 19:26.51 | ScytheBlade1 | WAIT A MINUTE |
| 19:26.57 | ScytheBlade1 | THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE "WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH" MOMENTS HUH? |
| 19:27.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I'm slow |
| 19:27.46 | ScytheBlade1 | -.- |
| 19:27.46 | Shirik | :P |
| 19:28.07 | Shirik | So like |
| 19:28.13 | Shirik | I subconsiously coded a feature apparently |
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| 19:28.27 | Shirik | I clicked the "uninstall module" button to test that the button was being rendered properly |
| 19:28.33 | Shirik | then got pissed when the module stopped working |
| 19:28.41 | Shirik | apparently I already coded the "uninstall" capability |
| 19:28.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:28.45 | Corr-work | heh heh |
| 19:28.58 | KarlKFI | you win |
| 19:29.10 | Corr-work | most of the more complex things i put together in school i implemented by letting my eyes glaze over and just typing out ideas floating to the surface |
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| 19:30.35 | End | whenever I sign for a package from ups, they always get my last name completely wrong |
| 19:30.38 | End | this time |
| 19:30.39 | End | I'm scromble |
| 19:30.48 | Shirik | heh :) |
| 19:30.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: http://wowi.pastey.net/104935 |
| 19:31.16 | Shirik | how do I know there's an MD5? |
| 19:31.22 | Shirik | How do I know it IS an md5? |
| 19:31.25 | ScytheBlade1 | strlen()? |
| 19:31.35 | ScytheBlade1 | md5 is 36, sha1 is 40 |
| 19:31.44 | Shirik | I'm not restricted to md5 and sha1 :) |
| 19:31.51 | Shirik | It could be a hash provided by the service that I don't know about |
| 19:31.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Then fix that and restrict it :P |
| 19:31.57 | Shirik | why |
| 19:32.03 | Shirik | How do I know there's a hash at all? |
| 19:32.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Because you'll write the rules for these update files |
| 19:32.15 | Shirik | what if my update package happens to be 36 characters long URL? |
| 19:32.21 | Shirik | I already wrote those rules in XML! |
| 19:32.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Funny, as the DTD/XSL isn't referenced in your .xml |
| 19:32.47 | Shirik | I know :( |
| 19:32.54 | Shirik | I didn't write a schema :( |
| 19:33.01 | Shirik | I'm not sure if I want to |
| 19:33.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you didn't write the rules quite yet! |
| 19:33.08 | Shirik | I wrote them in my head! |
| 19:33.19 | Shirik | I was hoping, like the uninstall feature, it would magically appear |
| 19:33.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man, the things I could do with that |
| 19:33.30 | ScytheBlade1 | "I wrote them in my head!" |
| 19:34.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure that XML is entirely overkill for an update mechanism |
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| 19:34.32 | ScytheBlade1 | See: http://12.129.232.129/update/PatchSequenceFile.txt |
| 19:34.37 | nevcairiel | Shirik lives for overkill |
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| 19:34.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Multiple products! Multiple versions! |
| 19:35.06 | ScytheBlade1 | yes but he's using XML of his own choice, which scares me |
| 19:35.07 | kd3 | xml is overkill period |
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| 19:35.31 | ScytheBlade1 | You may have way too much coded to reverse what you're doing there, but |
| 19:35.45 | ScytheBlade1 | It's complicated overkill for what you could pretty easily achieve with a text file and the java standard libs |
| 19:36.08 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: That patch sequence file isn't quite what I want |
| 19:36.23 | ScytheBlade1 | My pastey is! |
| 19:36.24 | Shirik | in fact, there's something specific I was trying to avoid |
| 19:36.39 | Shirik | To get from one version to another, you might have to go through 10 patches with that |
| 19:37.01 | nevcairiel | so design the thing a bit smarter to know where its going to and grab all updates in one go |
| 19:37.04 | nevcairiel | doesnt seem so hard.. |
| 19:37.28 | Shirik | Whereas the XML I've design has the capability to go straight from one version to another, but fall back to a sequence of updates if it has to |
| 19:38.39 | ScytheBlade1 | And you don't with a text file? |
| 19:39.21 | Shirik | your text file is getting much more complicated |
| 19:39.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Uhh, as far as I can tell it's entirely feature complete as compared to your XML |
| 19:39.49 | ckknight | I'm fond of JSON |
| 19:40.03 | ckknight | for non-binary data transfer |
| 19:40.08 | ckknight | YAML is good for configuration |
| 19:40.09 | Shirik | How do I go straight to one version from another in that text file you pasted, ScytheBlade1? |
| 19:40.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus you could parse the entire thing in probably no more than 2 pages of code, as compared to your current massive 10kb+ pastey that you showed me a while back |
| 19:40.23 | ScytheBlade1 | startVersion=x |
| 19:40.24 | ScytheBlade1 | endVersion=y |
| 19:40.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Tada! |
| 19:40.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a literal clone of your XML |
| 19:40.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Only without the... XML |
| 19:41.13 | Shirik | I just think the XML would be easier to parse, because in the event that I find a case where I don't want an update, I can skip that entire element easily |
| 19:41.22 | Shirik | whereas with text files I still have to parse to figure out where that set ends |
| 19:41.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Um |
| 19:41.27 | ScytheBlade1 | What's up, premature optimization |
| 19:41.42 | Shirik | easier to parse as in easier to code |
| 19:41.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Your earlier pastey would disagree |
| 19:41.56 | Shirik | I have a boolean flag which indicates whether or not I'm in a <Update> element |
| 19:42.06 | Shirik | I set it to false if it doesn't match my requirements |
| 19:42.17 | Shirik | which causes me to ignore any non-<Update> element |
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| 19:42.41 | Shirik | easily ignore lines I don't need :) |
| 19:42.47 | Shirik | That's one thing XML excels at, is trees |
| 19:43.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Except that the parser reads it all anyway |
| 19:43.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 19:43.06 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:43.10 | Shirik | I don't care about that |
| 19:43.15 | Shirik | I care about my work not the parser's :) |
| 19:43.26 | Shirik | (We may be talking about two different parsers here) |
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| 19:43.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I see your point now |
| 19:43.49 | Shirik | There's the SAX parser which actually reads the XML data in, then there's my parser that gets called by the SAX parser to "Do stufF" with what it finds |
| 19:43.58 | Shirik | I only care about my half |
| 19:43.59 | ScytheBlade1 | And I'd still state that you could write the entire parsing and update logic (ie, which update to apply) in less than two pages of java |
| 19:44.07 | ScytheBlade1 | As compared to your pages and pages + complaints |
| 19:44.27 | foxlit | besides, java, meh! |
| 19:44.33 | foxlit | You really should be using Lua |
| 19:44.51 | Shirik | how many users do you think have a standalone lua installed |
| 19:44.59 | ckknight | Shirik: despite it being good at trees, I don't see why it's better than other languages (e.g. JSON) |
| 19:45.00 | Shirik | compare to numbers of users with java installed |
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| 19:45.09 | Shirik | ckknight, don't get me wrong, I hate xml |
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| 19:45.13 | ckknight | okay |
| 19:45.22 | ckknight | what do you like to use instead? |
| 19:45.23 | foxlit | Shirik: ship a binary |
| 19:45.24 | Shirik | that's kinda what started this discussion |
| 19:45.44 | foxlit | Lua CLI sucks anyway. |
| 19:46.00 | Corr-work | a compiled lua binary, eh? |
| 19:46.07 | Corr-work | you can do that? |
| 19:46.08 | Shirik | foxlit: Now you have problems with portability all of a sudden :) |
| 19:46.09 | ckknight | yea |
| 19:46.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I just found the irony strong with thsi one, as he hates on the XML, then writes a 10+ page parser for XML, which instead could be done with text files and a few loops tops |
| 19:46.17 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:46.17 | ScytheBlade1 | s/thsi/this/ |
| 19:46.55 | foxlit | Shirik: You probably don't. You only really have two legit target platforms, and neither of them is as potentially troublesome as java |
| 19:47.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa now |
| 19:47.21 | ScytheBlade1 | You be killing my linux support for this and I'll personally stab you, foxlit |
| 19:47.28 | ScytheBlade1 | You best say three |
| 19:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus 32/64 bit binaries |
| 19:47.45 | ckknight | you could supply a lua binary for windows and lua source for "other" |
| 19:47.46 | KarlKFI | sbo, stop being a jerk |
| 19:47.49 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 19:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 19:47.56 | foxlit | Your linux support can continue to emulate a *cough*legitimate*cough* target :) |
| 19:47.59 | ScytheBlade1 | After last night it's kinda getting to be habit :P |
| 19:48.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ~stab foxlit |
| 19:48.05 | purl | ACTION runs at foxlit with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 19:48.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't say I didn't warn you |
| 19:48.09 | KarlKFI | last night went fine |
| 19:48.26 | KarlKFI | what, you never wiped a whole night on a boss before? |
| 19:48.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure that shaman/retadin app will never be coming back |
| 19:48.40 | ScytheBlade1 | What's up void zone * 892734897 |
| 19:48.48 | KarlKFI | didn't we have 2 ret apps? |
| 19:48.55 | ScytheBlade1 | No, just one |
| 19:49.02 | KarlKFI | and why do we have ret apps anyway |
| 19:49.07 | Lopeppeppy | Culling the weak. |
| 19:49.09 | ScytheBlade1 | DPS slots |
| 19:49.10 | KarlKFI | we're melee heavy and alreayd have 2 |
| 19:49.19 | KarlKFI | get some more ranged imo |
| 19:49.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Our current recruiting is labeled as "2 DPS any type" |
| 19:49.24 | KarlKFI | hunter or warlock |
| 19:49.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Check out the recruitment board, that's what is happening |
| 19:49.37 | KarlKFI | meh |
| 19:49.46 | KarlKFI | 3 ret is silly |
| 19:50.07 | KarlKFI | 2 is ok cause we at leats have different judgements |
| 19:50.12 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 19:50.13 | ScytheBlade1 | agreed |
| 19:50.51 | KarlKFI | and we only have 3 or 4 blessings we dont need 6 pallies like BC |
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| 19:51.02 | ScytheBlade1 | We have more pallies than I want -.- |
| 19:51.26 | KarlKFI | so put up full on pallies |
| 19:52.19 | ScytheBlade1 | afk, back in a bit |
| 19:52.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: XML bad for you, plaintext wins |
| 19:52.31 | KarlKFI | XML imo |
| 19:52.37 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: they'll all be denied anyway |
| 19:52.49 | KarlKFI | then why lead them on. that's not nice |
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| 19:54.44 | Anaral | I'm done trying to figure this out. |
| 19:57.21 | Lopeppeppy | Is that really fluffy, alestane? *winks* |
| 19:57.37 | Corr-work | hm. |
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| 19:57.45 | alestane | My iPod cord? Guess not. |
| 19:59.35 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 19:59.39 | alestane | Why, what did you think I was waving? |
| 20:00.16 | Lopeppeppy | Nothing dear, tra la la. |
| 20:00.30 | alestane | Lopeppeppy is pure and innocent and stuff. |
| 20:00.53 | Lopeppeppy | Fer sher. |
| 20:01.23 | zenzelezz | it sort of hurts when women call it "nothing" |
| 20:01.52 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not the one who brought a cat toy to a cat house. |
| 20:02.11 | alestane | Let it be noted that it was you who said that and not I. |
| 20:02.23 | Corr-work | *eyebrow* |
| 20:02.34 | zenzelezz | no-one's said it yet, everyone's just hinting |
| 20:03.09 | Lunessa | And for today's semi-random quote, "Andy crawled to freedom through five hundred yards of shit smelling foulness I can't even imagine, or maybe I just don't want too. Five hundred yards... that's the length of five football fields, just shy of half a mile. " |
| 20:03.27 | kd3 | yay shawshank redemption |
| 20:03.31 | Lopeppeppy | I always track my statements, alestane, so many come back to bite me later. |
| 20:03.51 | zenzelezz | lua> 91.44*500 |
| 20:03.52 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: 45720 |
| 20:03.55 | alestane | I was actually responding to zenzelezz, but it works nicely either way. |
| 20:04.09 | zenzelezz | 457 meters, that's not "Just shy" of half a mile |
| 20:04.20 | Lunessa | kd3: It is perhaps my favorite movie of all time. |
| 20:04.45 | zenzelezz | alestane: actually I can only assume it hurts, as I've yet to kiss a girl, let alone wave anything at them |
| 20:04.55 | Lunessa | .... |
| 20:04.57 | Lopeppeppy | Only hurts if we use our claws. |
| 20:05.22 | zenzelezz | not the sort of hurt I was talking about, re-read what I said earlier |
| 20:06.55 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs* Anyone who talks to you like that, you let me know and I'll make them hurt. |
| 20:07.07 | zenzelezz | heh, thanks ;) |
| 20:07.42 | alestane | Peppy is possessive of her toys. |
| 20:08.21 | Lopeppeppy | Protective! |
| 20:08.48 | Lunessa | And yet, they're still classified as toys. :P |
| 20:09.02 | Corr-work | hm again. |
| 20:09.02 | KarlKFI | don't complain |
| 20:09.04 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. |
| 20:09.17 | Lopeppeppy | See, comes to bite me even when I doesn't sayin' it. Harumph. |
| 20:10.32 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: oh, the retadin/shaman combo app was only looked at because we were curious about the healer. Any solo melee apps will be likely be denied |
| 20:10.48 | KarlKFI | ah |
| 20:11.29 | ScytheBlade1 | haha wow, finally some realm forum drama |
| 20:11.31 | ScytheBlade1 | 6 pages overnight |
| 20:11.34 | KarlKFI | fyi, dheg was complaining about dps at times last night, but that's really a control fight |
| 20:11.50 | zenzelezz | which fight? |
| 20:11.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh without a doubt |
| 20:11.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Sarth25+3 |
| 20:12.00 | zenzelezz | ha, tell me about it |
| 20:12.00 | KarlKFI | even when i wasn't tanking we did better when i was eliminating adds |
| 20:12.15 | zenzelezz | but once you get it down, it feels astonishingly controllable |
| 20:12.43 | ScytheBlade1 | At the end of the night we killed one drake and did 2 |
| 20:12.47 | ScytheBlade1 | It was.... zzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 20:12.49 | KarlKFI | i'd possibly recommend a single dps always on adds when there are more than 3 |
| 20:12.51 | zenzelezz | we spent something like three full wipe nights on him one week, just did +2 the day before reset. Went back next day and took +3 on second try |
| 20:12.57 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: I've debated that |
| 20:13.21 | KarlKFI | just killing elems. the whelps are a joke |
| 20:13.34 | zenzelezz | KarlKFI: we left the adds alone (tanked) until Tenebron went down, then had all ranged DPS nuke them down |
| 20:13.47 | zenzelezz | repeated when second and third died |
| 20:13.49 | KarlKFI | yeah that works fine if you get him down fast enough |
| 20:14.08 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: our problem is that we don't have a straight protadin. We have KarlKFI here but he's ret with some prot gear, most of it being level 70 stuff |
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| 20:14.21 | ScytheBlade1 | If we had a talented protadin app it'd be zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz from start to finish |
| 20:14.21 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: ah, I see |
| 20:14.29 | KarlKFI | i have 5 blues, 4 BC epics and the rest LK epics |
| 20:14.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, that's changed pretty quick then |
| 20:14.42 | KarlKFI | but i hit 32k buffed last night |
| 20:14.56 | ScytheBlade1 | You get that list of enchants taken care of? |
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| 20:15.06 | zenzelezz | if I remember right, when we took him we had druid MT, warrior on 2 drakes, DK on 1, and 1 warrior+paladin on adds |
| 20:15.08 | KarlKFI | i got some free ones from zero |
| 20:15.11 | KarlKFI | he was lvling |
| 20:15.14 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 20:15.23 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Esamynn] by ChanServ |
| 20:15.29 | ScytheBlade1 | If you need any (more) for your prot set, just ask |
| 20:16.04 | zenzelezz | took us a while to get the special rotations right on the MT when Vesperon landed |
| 20:16.05 | alestane | Ugh, I hate the drop rate on this quest. |
| 20:16.29 | Lopeppeppy | Which one, warlocky dear? |
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| 20:16.45 | KarlKFI | will do. I'll be crafting the BS boots today before i bail, and the Helm as soon as i can afford it. I was down to 124g yesterday after wipes including the 100g dheg gave me |
| 20:17.01 | alestane | The Tower of Althalax, the Glowing Soul Gem. Picked it up because it was right next to my succubus quest objective. |
| 20:17.24 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:17.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I log in to a mail from "Customer Support" and wonder wtf I did |
| 20:17.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Turns out that they're just mass mailing account safety tips -.- |
| 20:18.07 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, account safety! |
| 20:18.20 | nevcairiel | 3 words imho |
| 20:18.22 | alestane | Yay, white shoulder drop...and it's MAIL. |
| 20:18.27 | nevcairiel | "Buy an authenticator" |
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| 20:18.30 | zenzelezz | I was a bit surprised when I logged into the game a few days ago to see the welcome message from the server "blah blah lots of scams lately be careful" |
| 20:18.40 | KarlKFI | ScytheBlade1: if you wanted to leverage the guild for 4 titansteel bars and 2 frozen nethers I can have 2 more epics for sunday's attempt |
| 20:18.40 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I'm gonna buy you some cloth shoulders, I swear! |
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| 20:18.50 | Aquavette2k1 | Anyone mind answering a quick question? |
| 20:18.51 | Lopeppeppy | Esamynn! |
| 20:19.03 | alestane | I'm a tailor, love, I just need to grind the skill out. |
| 20:19.08 | Lopeppeppy | Aquavette2k1, go ahead and ask, if anyone can answer, they will. |
| 20:19.08 | zenzelezz | Aquavette2k1: better to just ask the question and see |
| 20:19.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ~asktoask |
| 20:19.11 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 20:19.21 | alestane | Got it! |
| 20:19.42 | alestane | So now that you've been bombarded with IRC etiquette, what's your actual question? |
| 20:19.50 | Aquavette2k1 | I'm writing a really basic addon, I've got a function declared lower in the file... I'm trying to call that function at the top of the file |
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| 20:20.21 | Aquavette2k1 | so like (function fubar (somecode) end) |
| 20:20.25 | KarlKFI | titanium from the AH + eternals and orbs from the bank, titan smelts from guildies would be the cheepest |
| 20:20.37 | Aquavette2k1 | and i just want to run fubar |
| 20:20.43 | alestane | A function higher in the file can usually call a function lower in the file, because it'll do it from the variable where the funciton is stored. |
| 20:21.02 | KarlKFI | otherwise i can do it myself for the following week |
| 20:21.02 | alestane | But an actual call has to go after the defined function. |
| 20:21.05 | zenzelezz | KarlKFI: if you have some time, farming titanium isn't too tough, and gives you shitloads of crystals |
| 20:21.08 | Aquavette2k1 | so i can't put my functions at the end of the file, and call them at the top? |
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| 20:21.20 | KarlKFI | yeah i dont have time before sunday, that's the issue |
| 20:21.27 | zenzelezz | ah :-( |
| 20:21.31 | nevcairiel | You can, if you put the var declaration at the top |
| 20:21.37 | nevcairiel | is your function local? |
| 20:21.59 | Aquavette2k1 | nope |
| 20:22.13 | alestane | Aquavette2k1: "function A (...) b(...) end; function B(...) end" works. |
| 20:22.38 | alestane | "B(some, args); function B(...) end" doesn't. |
| 20:23.10 | nevcairiel | If its not local, thats right :) |
| 20:23.11 | Aquavette2k1 | see i'm trying "B(some, args); function B(...) end" |
| 20:23.12 | KarlKFI | my BC epics aren't shabby either. 2pc t6, a belt with 3 gem slots and my libram |
| 20:23.18 | alestane | Aquavette2k1: Then no. |
| 20:23.34 | alestane | function B(...) end; B(some, args)". |
| 20:23.44 | alestane | Otherwise, how's it know what B is? |
| 20:23.49 | Aquavette2k1 | i'm trying too much like C++ (sigh) |
| 20:24.23 | nevcairiel | In C, you cannot call functions outside of other functions =P |
| 20:24.50 | KarlKFI | ScytheBlade1: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Doomhammer&n=Wraithblight |
| 20:24.54 | alestane | Aquavette2k1: In Lua, function definitions are executed code. THey get called (creating the functions) in turn as your file is executed. |
| 20:25.04 | Aquavette2k1 | so it runs top to bottom |
| 20:25.13 | nevcairiel | functions are just like variables |
| 20:25.14 | Aquavette2k1 | like a batch file |
| 20:25.20 | alestane | In fact, your file is treated as a function itself, except thatanything it returns will be ignored by WoW. |
| 20:25.24 | alestane | Aquavette2k1: Yes. |
| 20:25.29 | KarlKFI | that's weird |
| 20:25.37 | KarlKFI | Armory isn't showing BS gem slots |
| 20:25.38 | alestane | WoW loads, compiles and executes your .lua files during load time. |
| 20:25.55 | alestane | As they're executed, they define functions. |
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| 20:26.26 | KarlKFI | oh, 5 BC epics, forgot the trinket |
| 20:26.30 | alestane | "function A(...) end" is actually literally equivalent to "A = function (...) end". |
| 20:27.07 | Aquavette2k1 | ok, gotcha |
| 20:27.50 | ZorbaTHut | aqua, local B; function main() B(blah) end; function B(...) end; main(); |
| 20:28.37 | ZorbaTHut | might have to be B = function(...) end;, I could be wrong on that - it's not syntax I use often |
| 20:28.50 | Lunessa | alestane: Do you need materials for skilling? If so, which kind of cloth do you need? |
| 20:29.03 | nevcairiel | ZorbaTHut: thats not even required if he wants B to be global |
| 20:29.04 | Aquavette2k1 | alright, thanks guys, |
| 20:29.11 | ZorbaTHut | true |
| 20:29.12 | nevcairiel | he is just claling it from the main chaunk before its declared |
| 20:29.19 | alestane | I have linen bolts and wool bolts and wool cloth and can use both. I just need to take the time to sit down tailor-fashion and sew. |
| 20:29.35 | Aquavette2k1 | yea, nev is right, i'm trying to call it before i declare it |
| 20:30.03 | Aquavette2k1 | cause that makes sense when my error in game is "attempt to call global 'RemoveEndCap' (a nil value) |
| 20:30.25 | alestane | You can decalre a function whose body calls a function that isn't declared yet, as long as it gets declared before the first function get called. |
| 20:30.27 | Lunessa | OK, and if you need something specific, I can always tailor it up on an alt. |
| 20:32.42 | Aquavette2k1 | see, knowing .lua files are "run" top to bottom helps me quite a bit |
| 20:32.49 | Aquavette2k1 | thanls for the help guys |
| 20:33.22 | alestane | There's nothing "quotes" about them being run top-down, that's exactly what happens. |
| 20:33.26 | nevcairiel | Files are just like one big function, executed line by line |
| 20:33.32 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie everypeople, I'm about to pack up for going home for winter break. That means you won't be seeing Peppy except occasionally until... January 5th! |
| 20:33.41 | Lopeppeppy | Happy hollydaze and happy new year! |
| 20:33.45 | Aquavette2k1 | i did "run" because its actually compiled no? |
| 20:33.55 | nevcairiel | Have fun peppy |
| 20:34.02 | Hjalte | ~seen p3lim |
| 20:34.03 | purl | p3lim <n=p3lim@084202164112.customer.alfanett.no> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 5h 40m 40s ago, saying: 'is there a counter to that? [noform] didnt do anything'. |
| 20:34.04 | alestane | It's compiled into a Lua Bytecode. |
| 20:34.19 | Aquavette2k1 | so does lua work like .net? |
| 20:34.22 | Aquavette2k1 | sort of? |
| 20:34.38 | alestane | I don't know enough about .NET to answer that question usefully. |
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| 20:34.51 | Lunessa | bye bye peppy! |
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| 20:35.08 | Aquavette2k1 | well .net works along the lines that you write the code and its compiled, but the .net framework has to be there to actually understand the byte code thats compiled |
| 20:35.43 | alestane | Yes, the Lua parser compiles it into a Lua-specific bytecode that is run on the Lua interpreter by the host program. |
| 20:35.58 | alestane | It doesn't get compiled into an actually machine binary. |
| 20:36.07 | Aquavette2k1 | Ok, no i understand clearly |
| 20:36.10 | Aquavette2k1 | *now |
| 20:36.24 | nevcairiel | somewhat like java :) |
| 20:36.45 | nevcairiel | except that there is no external storing of the compiled lua code |
| 20:36.54 | nevcairiel | not in wowlua, anyway |
| 20:36.59 | Aquavette2k1 | yea, |
| 20:37.01 | alestane | nevcairiel: There can be, but WoW doesn't. |
| 20:37.18 | Aquavette2k1 | thanks for the info guys, you straightened out my understanding |
| 20:37.36 | Aquavette2k1 | now to conquer nested for loops |
| 20:37.52 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:37.57 | Aquavette2k1 | kek... |
| 20:38.05 | alestane | They work like they do in any language. It's the generic 'for' that takes some getting used to. |
| 20:38.25 | Aquavette2k1 | yea, i was looking at an example of a for earlier |
| 20:38.30 | Aquavette2k1 | little different |
| 20:38.51 | nevcairiel | default C-style fors are easy to understand, as long as you dont want the for-each style :) |
| 20:38.58 | alestane | Lua supports two kinds of 'for'. |
| 20:39.08 | foxlit | Except C-style fors can do so much more than Lua numeric for. |
| 20:39.08 | Aquavette2k1 | can you do |
| 20:39.14 | alestane | for i=1, 12 do is conventional. |
| 20:39.23 | Aquavette2k1 | for (int i = 0, I < 10, I++) |
| 20:39.51 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing it was a typo, but your i and I wouldn't be the same |
| 20:39.58 | Aquavette2k1 | it was a type |
| 20:40.01 | Aquavette2k1 | *typo |
| 20:40.02 | zenzelezz | and there is no "int" |
| 20:40.11 | nevcairiel | that was a C line zenzelezz :P |
| 20:40.23 | zenzelezz | I thought he was asking if you could use that in lua too |
| 20:40.37 | Aquavette2k1 | no, I trying to reference what i know in C , to lua |
| 20:40.40 | foxlit | The syntax is for varname=start,limit,step do |
| 20:40.54 | foxlit | step is assumed to be 1 unless you specify it |
| 20:40.55 | alestane | Aquavette2k1: That would appear in Lua as "for i = 0,9 do" |
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| 20:41.05 | Aquavette2k1 | Gotcha, |
| 20:41.09 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 20:41.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ~pil |
| 20:41.11 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 20:41.23 | foxlit | I wonder why people link to PiL rather than the language ref. |
| 20:41.26 | nevcairiel | or "for i = 0, 9, 1 do " to be explicit |
| 20:41.33 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: shorter to type ~pil ;) |
| 20:41.38 | foxlit | ~lua |
| 20:41.39 | purl | Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. Its name is derived from the Latin word "Luna" which means "moon". |
| 20:41.39 | NightHawkTheSane | but, meh. lua.org |
| 20:41.49 | Aquavette2k1 | yea, i just needed some basics |
| 20:41.55 | Aquavette2k1 | to fresh my memory |
| 20:41.58 | foxlit | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2 go :) |
| 20:41.59 | Aquavette2k1 | been a long time |
| 20:42.07 | alestane | Also, Programming in Lua has concepts in it with more explanation than the language manual. |
| 20:42.36 | NightHawkTheSane | both are good |
| 20:42.55 | alestane | I usually find the PiL is better to start with. |
| 20:43.01 | NightHawkTheSane | again? ;) |
| 20:43.08 | foxlit | If you need a walk-me-through-this introduction, sure :) |
| 20:43.13 | nevcairiel | shh |
| 20:43.27 | Aquavette2k1 | i've got Stroustrup for when i go stupid on C |
| 20:43.36 | alestane | But now that I understand the Lua concepts, I usually check the manual if I'm not sure of something, it's a better reference. |
| 20:43.53 | foxlit | wtb Lua-style reference for C, clearly :) |
| 20:43.56 | nevcairiel | Of course i have my stroustrup and my K&R |
| 20:44.02 | alestane | I have a seven-year-or-so-old copy of Stroustrup. |
| 20:44.21 | Sixen | ... |
| 20:44.39 | Aquavette2k1 | i learned on C so i compare everything to C |
| 20:44.45 | Sixen | "Macbook != Macs" |
| 20:44.46 | Sixen | I lol'd. |
| 20:44.52 | kd3 | ya |
| 20:44.56 | foxlit | "Macbook != BigMac" |
| 20:44.58 | Sixen | Did you see his edit? |
| 20:45.05 | nevcairiel | mmmm BigMac |
| 20:45.16 | alestane | Aquavette2k1: Lua is actually implemented in C. |
| 20:45.37 | Sixen | "edit: eg, stop saying it works for systems that it does not work for. This is still an unsupported bug with no fix or workaround. " |
| 20:45.43 | Sixen | The solution & fix is what is in the OP. |
| 20:45.44 | kd3 | har |
| 20:46.11 | Fisker- | kd3 ! |
| 20:46.13 | alestane | I think they said the syntax is a synthesis of C, Scheme and Smalltalk. |
| 20:47.06 | nevcairiel | Isnt scheme something LISP-y? |
| 20:47.13 | Esamynn | to be specific, Lua is implemented in ANSI C, for portability |
| 20:47.18 | alestane | Yes, Scheme is in the LISP family. |
| 20:47.29 | nevcairiel | Then i dont see the relation :) |
| 20:48.02 | alestane | nevcairiel: You can write Lua very very "functionally" if you try. |
| 20:48.09 | Lunessa | mmmm... hungry now, thanks. |
| 20:48.15 | alestane | There's a document somewhere that explains the language's history fairly well. |
| 20:48.24 | Lunessa | lua.org has it. |
| 20:48.26 | Olorin | Is their a specific reason why Blizard is sending out mail about protecting your account, was their a WoW site that was compromised ? |
| 20:48.38 | Esamynn | not to my knowledge |
| 20:48.54 | Esamynn | they've been saying that the number of compromised accounts is on the rise though |
| 20:48.56 | Lunessa | Olorin: Because IE vulnerabilities were being exploted to steal WoW accounts in massive numbers? |
| 20:49.06 | Esamynn | ahh yes, the IE bug |
| 20:49.44 | Olorin | ah ok, thanks, was pretty sure their was some reason for it |
| 20:49.45 | Esamynn | I avoid IE like the plague anyways, so I didn't concern myself with it very much |
| 20:50.05 | Aquavette2k1 | i use IE when i absolutely have too. |
| 20:50.32 | Lunessa | because something like 90% of the WoW player-base is so clueless about computer security that I could pop a box on their screen saying "Put your WoW Password in here for naked Pics of Angelina Jolie. Failure to do so will result in a kick in the nuts." And most of them would do it. |
| 20:50.42 | Aquavette2k1 | yea |
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| 20:51.13 | Corr-work | i don't know why some people get so excited about the nudity of well-known people |
| 20:51.26 | Aquavette2k1 | its a view of what you will never have |
| 20:51.29 | Corr-work | in few cases are the results actually good enough to be porn anyway |
| 20:51.39 | Corr-work | well... good porn. |
| 20:52.02 | alestane | In Joile's case, it's probably her bustline. |
| 20:52.49 | KarlKFI | boobs |
| 20:53.08 | KarlKFI | rawr |
| 20:53.13 | Corr-work | maybe people don't know where to get porn on the internet. maybe they don't know that the internet is -for- porn. |
| 20:53.23 | Corr-work | and shopping on amazon |
| 20:53.33 | NightHawkTheSane | (for porn) |
| 20:54.21 | KarlKFI | ~internet |
| 20:54.22 | purl | The internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's, it's a series of tubes. |
| 20:54.28 | KarlKFI | ~forporn |
| 20:54.39 | KarlKFI | ~internetisforporn |
| 20:54.48 | Corr-work | come on, purl, don't disappoint |
| 20:54.55 | KarlKFI | ~porn |
| 20:54.56 | purl | Porn remains one of the largest problems with Open Source Software. Often causing development delays, flooded links and, in extreme cases, disabling programmers ability to type. |
| 20:55.02 | KarlKFI | lol |
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| 20:55.32 | KarlKFI | Cairenn|afk: prolly remembers the keyword |
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| 20:56.06 | KarlKFI | ~google internet is for porn |
| 20:56.18 | nevcairiel | Ah found the article, Modula, CLU, C++ are the ancestors of Lua |
| 20:56.38 | nevcairiel | and some SNOBOL |
| 20:56.43 | KarlKFI | seriously, no google keyword? purl fails. |
| 20:56.50 | alestane | Could have swaorn the one I read made reference to Scheme. |
| 20:56.50 | Corr-work | isn't it something like... |
| 20:56.51 | KarlKFI | is there a way to search keywords? |
| 20:56.53 | Corr-work | ~g hi |
| 20:57.06 | KarlKFI | guess not |
| 20:57.06 | Corr-work | !g something |
| 20:57.07 | batbot | Corr-work: Something. <http://www.something.com/> |
| 20:57.11 | nevcairiel | only mention of scheme i found in that article was about their crazy syntax 0P |
| 20:57.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ~factinfo |
| 20:57.17 | Corr-work | ah, our good friend batbot. |
| 20:57.21 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm |
| 20:57.22 | nevcairiel | We did not consider LISP |
| 20:57.22 | nevcairiel | or Scheme because of their unfriendly syntax. |
| 20:57.24 | KarlKFI | got like 12 bots int he channel... |
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| 20:57.44 | NightHawkTheSane | ~factlist |
| 20:58.35 | KarlKFI | purl, how do i search your facts? |
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| 20:58.53 | KarlKFI | i think purl died |
| 20:59.26 | KarlKFI | he must have searched for porn and gotten distracted |
| 20:59.39 | alestane | "Semantically, Lua has many similarities with Scheme, even though these similarities are not immediately clear because the two languages are syntactically very different. The influence of Scheme on Lua has gradually increased during Luaâs evolution: initially, Scheme was just a language in the background, but later it became increasingly important as a source of inspiration, especially with the introduction of anonymous functions an |
| 21:00.07 | KarlKFI | yay lambda functions |
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| 21:00.20 | nevcairiel | Huh, i dunno then. I read some article of why and how Lua was created |
| 21:00.23 | KarlKFI | bestest scripting language construct evar |
| 21:00.40 | KarlKFI | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.47 | alestane | "Like Scheme, Lua is dynamically typed: variables do not have types; only values have types. As in Scheme, a variable in Lua never contains a structured value, only a reference to one. As in Scheme, a function name has no special status in Lua: it is just a regular variable that happens to refer to a function value." |
| 21:00.59 | alestane | "Actually, the syntax for function definition âfunction foo() · · · endâ used above is just syntactic sugar for the assignment of an anonymous function to a variable: âfoo = function () · · · endâ. Like Scheme, Lua has first-class functions with lexical scoping. Actually, all values in Lua are first-class values: they can be assigned to global and local variables, stored in tables, passed as arguments to functions, and r |
| 21:01.08 | zenzelezz | isn't lambda functions in C++0x? Or am I think of something else |
| 21:01.48 | KarlKFI | i think they're actually called 'lambda' in the syntax of scheme |
| 21:02.17 | alestane | I believe (lambda ...) is the operation that binds a block of code to a list of arguments. |
| 21:02.18 | KarlKFI | or is that lisp |
| 21:02.35 | alestane | Could be both, they're closely related. |
| 21:03.14 | KarlKFI | i learned both in school and then immediately forgot them |
| 21:03.20 | nevcairiel | http://www.lua.org/history.html <-- thats the page i read |
| 21:03.57 | KarlKFI | and it looks like C++ does have lambda functions |
| 21:04.19 | KarlKFI | as of a recent revision anyway |
| 21:04.49 | Corr-work | how are they different from regular functions? |
| 21:04.59 | KarlKFI | nameless |
| 21:05.06 | KarlKFI | inline functions |
| 21:05.37 | KarlKFI | very useful for closures and also for putting into hashmaps or tables |
| 21:05.46 | KarlKFI | and recursion |
| 21:06.19 | KarlKFI | i love putting functions into tables and then referencing them with the string key |
| 21:06.28 | KarlKFI | easy as pie in Lua |
| 21:06.38 | KarlKFI | Major PITA in Java |
| 21:07.14 | alestane | I got that text from http://www.tecgraf.puc-rio.br/~lhf/ftp/doc/hopl.pdf |
| 21:07.52 | nevcairiel | reading the full history of Lua is intersting, how it evoled and how the syntax changed from 1.0 to today |
| 21:08.06 | nevcairiel | I bet 2 different people wrote those pages, and dont exactly agree on what influenced it =P |
| 21:09.31 | alestane | They appear to be related documents. I think the one you're reading is older, or an excerpt. |
| 21:11.11 | End | wow, this level 70 group quest is harder than most level 80 group quests |
| 21:11.36 | nevcairiel | funny how metatables changed over time, from a simple "fallback" concept to a system of "tag methods" to the metatable in 4.1 finally |
| 21:11.48 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm also out of here, boss letting us go home early. I'm out until the 5th as well, take care everyone, stay safe and enjoy whichever holiday you celebrate. |
| 21:12.06 | Corr-work | i celebrate "no work day" :| |
| 21:15.10 | foxlit | clearly need multi-threading support in the next Lua version :) |
| 21:15.25 | alestane | Besides coroutines? |
| 21:17.35 | pastamancer | I want call/cc in lua, then you can implement your own coroutine model |
| 21:18.13 | foxlit | alestane: coroutines are not concurrent |
| 21:18.37 | pastamancer | foxlit: do you really want to worry about concurrency issues? |
| 21:18.45 | linear` | whats the command to turn off settings sync on accounts |
| 21:18.51 | foxlit | Having the option would be good :) |
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| 21:19.02 | alestane | If you want true concurrency, you need the host program to run two Lua states in two host threads on two cores. |
| 21:19.19 | pastamancer | chances are a threaded lua wouldn't have a 'synchronized' keyword for functions so you'd have to implement your own locking |
| 21:20.16 | alestane | That document I linked mentions that they were extremely hesitant to make Lua into a language in which "A = A + 1" was not deterministic. |
| 21:20.21 | pastamancer | I'm pretty happy not having to worry about concurrency |
| 21:22.26 | alestane | I had a bunch of fun once setting a frame's <OnUpdate> to a coroutine wrapper. |
| 21:22.30 | KarlKFI | so am i, but i have 4 cores and 100 addons |
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| 21:57.19 | Anaral | *grumbles* Now none of my USB ports work and I'm back to using my notebook which of course can't play wow. Oh and Tech Support is busy, they'll call me back when they have a free moment. |
| 21:57.30 | Anaral | I am NOT a happy person right now. |
| 21:58.24 | Tekkub | the fact that you're calling tech support in the first place is a bad sign |
| 21:59.11 | Tekkub | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=40000073&Description=usb&name=Add-On%20Cards |
| 21:59.32 | Tekkub | $6, 3 days, problem solved |
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| 22:01.55 | Duman | newegg++ |
| 22:04.14 | Anaral | Aye |
| 22:04.48 | Anaral | Hope it'll work. lol Don't know why it wouldn't, but knowing my luck with this darn thing. |
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| 22:05.14 | ZorbaTHut | usb addon cards tend to be kind of crummy, they frequently burn a painful amount of CPU and run slowly |
| 22:05.22 | ZorbaTHut | I'd recommend a hub, myself |
| 22:05.40 | End | did you reat above? |
| 22:05.47 | End | read* |
| 22:06.09 | End | a hub needs a usb port, which is the problem :P |
| 22:06.18 | Anaral | Exactly |
| 22:07.39 | Anaral | I even tried using a green plug to usb adaptor and while the mouse light came on, I couldn't move the mouse pointer. |
| 22:08.03 | Fisker-- | if your port is defective why would it light upPÃ
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| 22:08.05 | Fisker-- | ? |
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| 22:10.22 | Anaral | Fisker, it was a plug like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200144 |
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| 22:11.05 | Anaral | I plugged it into the Ps/2 port, which is where the light came on... but it still didn't work |
| 22:14.43 | Robsato2 | Did you plug it in the PS/2 when the PC was on? If so you have to restart. PS/2 stuff is not hotpluggable like USB. |
| 22:15.18 | alestane | And it is rare, but possible, to scorch your interface or PS/2 device by hotplugging it. |
| 22:16.03 | Anaral | Of course it is. *sighs* Well I'll give it a try. |
| 22:18.38 | Fisker-- | hah alestane |
| 22:18.43 | Fisker-- | I fried my motherboard on it once |
| 22:18.45 | Anaral | Well I just powered it back up with the plug in and no dice. |
| 22:18.48 | Fisker-- | no kidding :3 |
| 22:20.25 | Anaral | Need new Mobo with dependable ports, PST. :/. |
| 22:21.00 | alestane | Check the devices and ports against other known good ones if possible. |
| 22:21.52 | Anaral | Already did that, nothing happens. |
| 22:22.49 | Anaral | The devices work fine on other computers, but none of the devices I've tried since the keyboard and mouse stopped working haven't worked either. |
| 22:23.18 | alestane | Then you've probably cooked your PS/2. Leave it off for a while but don't get your hopes up. |
| 22:23.22 | Anaral | I don't even get the error bubble about malfunctioned new hardware. |
| 22:24.24 | Anaral | Yeah it had been off for about two and half hours prior to ten minutes ago. But maybe it needs an overnight rest. |
| 22:27.13 | ZorbaTHut | I thought he said he had several working ports |
| 22:27.33 | ZorbaTHut | oh, "now none". righto. yeah hardware failure, I wouldn't trust the hardware at this point |
| 22:28.33 | Anaral | So what's a good mobo and processor these days? |
| 22:28.47 | Tekkub | asus, amd ^^ |
| 22:28.52 | Tekkub | as it's always been |
| 22:29.02 | Anaral | Lol, this is an ASUS board. |
| 22:29.20 | Anaral | With an Intel processor. |
| 22:29.24 | Tekkub | what chipset? |
| 22:29.29 | Dewin | Do what I do: spend hours reading reviews whenever it's hardware upgrade time and then forget everything you learned by the time you upgrade. |
| 22:29.44 | Dewin | http://hardocp.com |
| 22:30.08 | Anaral | nForce 570 |
| 22:30.53 | Tekkub | hum |
| 22:31.22 | Tekkub | well here's what I just upgraded to like a month ago: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131330 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103211 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104044 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150320 |
| 22:31.29 | Tekkub | those, plus PSU, $340 |
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| 22:31.56 | Tekkub | WoW runs great |
| 22:31.58 | Anaral | I did try to update the chipset earlier, and the installer said it installed fine, rebooted and checked to make sure and the drivers still had the old date. |
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| 22:33.06 | Anaral | Tekkub I just upgraded the PSU and video card in November, so should just need the board and processor. |
| 22:33.21 | Tekkub | and maybe memory |
| 22:34.05 | Anaral | Aye |
| 22:35.34 | Anaral | I'm sure it's no harder than installing a PSU but I'm nervous to replace the motherboard. Not to mention I have no idea how to dismantle the front end of the box to get at the front ports. |
| 22:37.09 | Tekkub | uh, you shouldn't need to dismantle the front |
| 22:37.32 | Tekkub | and mobo swapping is pretty easy, I just recommend you install the CPU on the board before you put it in the case |
| 22:38.12 | Corr-work | absolutely |
| 22:38.21 | Tekkub | all you have to do is remove like 9 or so screws, pull out the old board, switch the port-plate on the back of the case (pops right out) and put the new board in |
| 22:38.25 | ZorbaTHut | intel's been pretty much beating AMD on every front lately, from what I remember |
| 22:38.54 | foxlit | wonder what the GSO suffix stands for |
| 22:39.05 | Tekkub | may have to add standoffs in the case if the board is bigger than the last, and your case doesn't have built-in standoffs |
| 22:39.28 | Tekkub | foxlit, it's just a 8800 renumbered |
| 22:43.10 | Anaral | Yeah Tekkub we have the same type vid card, mine is an Asus 9800gt ult |
| 22:45.08 | Tekkub | I love how the mailbox delete bugs out if you use shift-click auto-loot |
| 22:45.30 | Tekkub | loot a bunch of shit... delete a mail with no attachments (Blizzy's "don't get hacked" crap |
| 22:45.48 | Tekkub | "Deleting this message will destroy (random item you looted)..." |
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| 22:58.17 | foxlit | Tekkub: that warning doesn't update |
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| 23:03.32 | Anaral | And tech support wants to send me a new motherboard. Yeah, not sure I want the same model. |
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| 23:12.21 | Anaral | They're offering this one to me for a discount... on hold to find out how much. http://www.digitalstormonline.com/product.asp?id=79756 |
| 23:12.29 | Anaral | Yay or nay? |
| 23:13.21 | Anaral | Bah that's an ati card idiots |
| 23:17.04 | kd3 | heh. funny looking at the logwatch of all of the old httpd exploits script kiddies are trying to use |
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| 23:24.20 | |pez| | Ok, this totally sucks, I was gonna buy a play.com giftvoucher for my brother... and they won't sell it to me, cause I'm in Norway and not in the UK. |
| 23:25.11 | sacarasc | sucks for you |pez| |
| 23:25.28 | |pez| | Yes, it does actually. |
| 23:25.55 | sacarasc | if i was a nicer person, i'd say "as i live in the UK, i could get it for you", but i wouldn't trust some random person on the internet |
| 23:26.14 | |pez| | lol |
| 23:26.20 | |pez| | I'm naive like that. |
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| 23:28.08 | Fisker-- | btw haha oh wow |
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| 23:28.20 | Fisker-- | What i thought was a lot of spam on my gmail turned out to be someone elses gmail |
| 23:28.20 | Fisker-- | :D |
| 23:28.31 | sacarasc | heh |
| 23:28.31 | Fisker-- | Apparently he sucked at writing email addresses |
| 23:28.37 | Fisker-- | so a lot of his shit was mailed to me instead |
| 23:28.46 | Fisker-- | Which is funny since we have the same name :/ |
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| 23:35.14 | Mike-N-Go | Can bindings be made in a .lua file rather a .xml file? If so, how? |
| 23:36.10 | foxlit | bindings.xml style bindings can't be translated to Lua |
| 23:36.12 | Adys | Mike-N-Go: I dont know how, but i know there are some libs to do that |
| 23:36.19 | foxlit | Simply because the configuration UI won't pick up on them. |
| 23:36.39 | foxlit | If you're prepared to provide your own configuration UI, look up the SetBinding family of functions. |
| 23:36.58 | Olorin | Mikengo i have a macro which is /script only so should be usable... SetBinding("T", "TURNORACTION") |
| 23:37.02 | Adys | LibKeyBound-1.0 |
| 23:37.32 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks. |
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| 23:40.23 | Anaral | Does this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121314) look like a suitable replacement to http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=331&model=1311&modelmenu=1? |
| 23:41.46 | Olorin | the intel board wont support SLI |
| 23:43.14 | Anaral | I only have one vid card. |
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| 23:45.43 | Anaral | If I'm using the same processor over, then shouldn't I only need to make sure that it supports LGA 775? |
| 23:46.59 | Olorin | well that Asus board is 775 anyway so is the intel so fram that point should be fine if you dont need specific clearence for some elaborate aftermarket cpu cooling |
| 23:47.29 | Olorin | from not fram, grrr my typing gets worse and worse |
| 23:48.38 | Olorin | do you have your disks in a raid config currently? if so it will be a pain |
| 23:49.06 | Anaral | I don't think so. |
| 23:50.53 | Olorin | also one other thing, if your using a oem windows licence it may cause issues since the oem licence is motherboard tied... though if you phone them they may* if lucky release this if you say the old motherboard is no longer manufactured |
| 23:51.02 | Anaral | And I can't remember the difference between mini, micro and regular ATX... |
| 23:51.29 | |pez| | they're... different in size? :D |
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| 23:54.00 | Olorin | I think personally i'd just get a USB hub and save myself a lot of hassle lol |
| 23:54.41 | Anaral | Yeah but if that doesn't work then I'm out longer without my computer... without WoW. |
| 23:56.10 | zenzelezz | don't know about ATX, but mini-ITX is 17x17 cm |
| 23:56.15 | WobWork | http://ultra-awesome.com/history_videogames.html |
| 23:56.21 | WobWork | short, but well rendered |
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