| 00:00.10 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 00:00.25 | Mike-N-Go | Sam-L: Your first objective should be to get it to work. |
| 00:00.25 | Mike-N-Go | Sam-L: Next, you can then make it better. |
| 00:00.25 | jnwhiteh | 18 minutes to download avg |
| 00:00.25 | jnwhiteh | poop |
| 00:00.48 | NightHawkTheSane | "find its place beyond games" thats stunningly short sighted |
| 00:00.50 | WobWork | off to Christmas Party! |
| 00:01.11 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: of course |
| 00:01.25 | WobWork | So far, Mr Sam has not shown himself to be overly far sighted =) |
| 00:01.48 | WobWork | He has an already preconcieved notion of "How Stuff Is" |
| 00:01.58 | WobWork | and is too lazy to actually figure out the reality |
| 00:02.39 | foxlit | emacs! |
| 00:02.55 | foxlit | what, too soon? |
| 00:03.32 | mikma | all libraries suck, all addons suck. all coders suck. |
| 00:03.36 | mikma | wow sucks! |
| 00:03.40 | *** kick/#wowuidev [mikma!n=jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by jnwhiteh (sucks) |
| 00:03.41 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom sucks |
| 00:03.42 | jnwhiteh | <-- wins |
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| 00:04.04 | Shirik | Everything should be written using BIOS interrupts and writing directly to video/system memory only, no libraries |
| 00:04.10 | mikma | you know, lack of autojoin is annoying sometimes xD |
| 00:04.22 | mikma | but, it's good thing to miss it. |
| 00:04.24 | jnwhiteh | BIOS is a library |
| 00:04.25 | jnwhiteh | nub |
| 00:04.32 | jnwhiteh | interrupts are cheating |
| 00:04.52 | Shirik | I don't know of a way to switch into graphics mode without a call to BIOS :( |
| 00:04.53 | foxlit | in fact, you're even considering using a computer? |
| 00:04.58 | jnwhiteh | srsly |
| 00:05.07 | jnwhiteh | real men make stick figures in the sand |
| 00:05.23 | Shirik | What's that XKCD comic about the largest computer |
| 00:05.42 | mikma | that's so HGTTG shirik |
| 00:05.48 | mikma | it's earth, duh |
| 00:05.50 | Shirik | http://xkcd.com/505/ |
| 00:05.53 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.xkcd.com/505/ |
| 00:05.55 | mikma | mouse rule it. |
| 00:05.55 | NightHawkTheSane | dammit shirik |
| 00:08.08 | |Jelly| | Anyone know of an addon that might cause disconnects only in cities? Note: This isn't my connection ... I only DC in cities. |
| 00:08.18 | NightHawkTheSane | questhelper? |
| 00:08.28 | |Jelly| | not on |
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| 00:09.14 | Olorin | Jelly: on dialup or cable/adsl? |
| 00:09.18 | Shirik | I know Auctioneer can disconnect you during a "getall" scan due to flooding the server. Maybe you're having a similar problem? |
| 00:09.25 | |Jelly| | cable |
| 00:09.58 | Shirik | the big problem Auctioneer has is in resolving names of players from their IDs |
| 00:10.27 | |Jelly| | You have any suggestions? |
| 00:10.42 | jnwhiteh | night all |
| 00:10.48 | |Jelly| | night |
| 00:10.56 | Olorin | tried disabling all addons|? |
| 00:11.09 | Olorin | or too intermittant? |
| 00:13.07 | |Jelly| | Note: Not all addons are turned on but http://www.hdimage.org/images/h07lc8zkdt8gqp3v4uou_addons.jpg |
| 00:14.15 | ReAn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.20 | Shirik | You may consider installing CTL in debug mode to see if any addons are flooding chat |
| 00:14.21 | ReAn | got enough there? |
| 00:15.17 | ReAn | what's CTL? |
| 00:15.39 | Olorin | ChatThrottleLib i believe |
| 00:15.48 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:21.41 | Wobin | hehe |
| 00:21.56 | Wobin | in regards to the new service allowing you to change character gender: "props to the male character that goes female Dwarf (or Gnome) with the name Lorenahobbit." |
| 00:22.02 | Corrodias | ho ho ho. only 269? |
| 00:22.23 | Corrodias | you must... ADD MORE |
| 00:23.58 | Tekkub | I love how people can't do "dir > myaddons.txt" |
| 00:25.54 | |Jelly| | Tekkub: Exactly how would that have helped? Would you rather me spam IRC with a list rather than a link to a screenshot, containing the same information? |
| 00:26.22 | Tekkub | pastie? ugh, my point exactly |
| 00:27.00 | |Jelly| | Oh, so you want ... again ... the same information to be pastied and a link copied to IRC? ... what's the difference? |
| 00:27.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Text is easily searchable and about 200x small in terms of file size, that's about it |
| 00:27.44 | Tekkub | neverfuckingmind |
| 00:27.45 | Tekkub | god |
| 00:28.10 | |Jelly| | So now, because you can't give a good reason, you're getting butt hurt about it? GG. |
| 00:28.33 | Tekkub | screenshots of text are just plain stupid :P |
| 00:28.49 | Tekkub | text is much simpler to work with |
| 00:28.59 | Tekkub | especially when you've got a shitton of stuff like that |
| 00:29.07 | |Jelly| | And yet it still gave the *same, exact* information. |
| 00:29.19 | Tekkub | one could delete the ones that aren't a problem, and give you back a list of stuff that could be |
| 00:29.35 | Tekkub | yea, that you'r running a ton of crappy addons :P |
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| 00:29.50 | |Jelly| | Whatever. |
| 00:30.10 | Tekkub | oh what now your "butt hurt" too? :P |
| 00:30.33 | |Jelly| | No, I'm not; you're continuing to prove nothing to me except that you really have nothing productive to say. |
| 00:30.59 | Tekkub | I never did, I just pointed out how I hate people that can't give a good dir |
| 00:31.21 | |Jelly| | Awesome. You hate me. I hope you sleep better at night now. |
| 00:31.34 | Tekkub | I slept fine already |
| 00:31.48 | Tekkub | and I don't disco in town ^^ |
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| 00:51.34 | zenzelezz | man, I seriously hope I can convince either my company or this customer to buy a PrinceXML licence... so much faster and better than the alternatives I've found... just expensive :-| |
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| 00:58.13 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: [December 21, 2008, 1:40PM PST]. |
| 00:58.13 | Shiibot | We have received confirmation that the issues affecting Comcast player's connectivity to World of Warcraft are now resolved. If you are still having trouble playing World of Warcraft and are Comcast user, please visit our technical support forums and provide the information instructed in the appropriate Comcast sticky thread so that we can work to resolve any issues that may be outstanding. |
| 00:58.13 | Shiibot | [December 21, 2008, 9:47AM PST]. |
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| 01:07.55 | AnduinLothar | wut.. sbo... you broke the server, there's a queue |
| 01:08.39 | ScytheBlade1 | There was earlier =[ |
| 01:10.24 | AnduinLothar | not when i logged on a 1 >.< |
| 01:10.27 | AnduinLothar | at* |
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| 01:27.41 | kd3 | okay, what the hell |
| 01:28.01 | kd3 | and it was in the 60s |
| 01:28.10 | kd3 | I wake up this morning, 44. (today's high) |
| 01:28.12 | kd3 | it's 33 atm |
| 01:28.18 | kd3 | expected to get into the teens |
| 01:28.28 | kd3 | would the weather freaking make up its mind already? it's december |
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| 01:31.23 | bleeter | kd3: got the same problem down this way. yesterday was the first real summer's day we've had |
| 01:37.56 | cbreak | there's snow outside |
| 01:38.12 | Sam-L | Tomorow is supposed to be beyond fucking cold |
| 01:38.24 | Sam-L | But I hear that it will also be warming up so, yay global warming! |
| 01:38.45 | cbreak | I don't like global warming because I don't like swimming. |
| 01:39.25 | Sam-L | Then don't swim? |
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| 02:03.58 | bleeter | ~weather ymhb |
| 02:09.54 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm |
| 02:09.57 | NightHawkTheSane | ~weather ksea |
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| 02:47.53 | iewnait | hi, anyone know what's the correct way to call a file for the backdrop bfFile="path" widget UI? Where should i save the image file and how should the path looks like. I cant seem to get it working. Thanks in advance. |
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| 02:53.19 | cbreak | it should be inside your addon's folder |
| 02:53.48 | cbreak | like "Interface\\AddOns\\WakeUp\\sound\\albert.mp3" |
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| 03:02.31 | Shirik | My dad was supposed to be home now |
| 03:02.37 | Shirik | instead, his flight doesn't leave for another 2 hours |
| 03:02.41 | Shirik | that's kinda hard core delay |
| 03:03.20 | Tekkub | lern2portal |
| 03:06.58 | cbreak | teleworking ftw. :) |
| 03:07.09 | cbreak | (+teletraveling, teleshopping, telesomething...) |
| 03:10.23 | Shirik | no it was some baseball thing with my brother |
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| 03:23.55 | Tem | oh shit lol |
| 03:24.02 | Tem | I logged in to check my auctions |
| 03:24.20 | Tem | and aparently my guild was shy only by a tank for a 10man raid |
| 03:24.23 | Tem | I've been drafted |
| 03:24.29 | Shirik | owned |
| 03:40.00 | Tem | it feels sort of weird to be tanking 10mans this quickly after dinging 80 |
| 03:40.59 | cbreak | happened a few tanks in my guild too |
| 03:41.08 | cbreak | even in 25 mans :) |
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| 04:02.31 | Shirik | Anyone here use a mac and have the JDK installed? |
| 04:04.58 | cbreak | I do and have |
| 04:05.02 | cbreak | I think? |
| 04:05.18 | cbreak | I have javac |
| 04:06.48 | Shirik | if I gave you like 10 lines of code, would you mind executing it and telling me the output? |
| 04:09.21 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/104837 |
| 04:09.42 | Shirik | I just want to be sure Mac implements user.dir |
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| 04:43.10 | cbreak | Shirik: the result is user.dir = /Users/cbreak/Desktop/jtest |
| 04:43.18 | cbreak | which is the current working directory |
| 04:43.19 | Shirik | is that where the .class file is? |
| 04:43.28 | Shirik | (or .jar if that's how you compiled it) |
| 04:43.33 | cbreak | yes |
| 04:43.39 | cbreak | I started it with java Main |
| 04:43.40 | Shirik | beautiful |
| 04:43.41 | Shirik | thanks |
| 04:44.15 | Shirik | I have now figured out how to perform automatic updates :D |
| 04:44.19 | cbreak | I am not sure what happens if I run it from somewhere else |
| 04:45.29 | cbreak | java -cp jtest Main results in user.dir = /Users/cbreak/Desktop |
| 04:45.38 | cbreak | again, current work dir |
| 04:45.46 | Shirik | perfect :) |
| 04:46.16 | Shirik | well |
| 04:46.22 | Shirik | not entirely perfect, but I'm going to assume nobody's going to do that |
| 04:46.27 | Shirik | point is it's always where it's executing from |
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| 04:47.17 | cbreak | I'll try to make it a jar |
| 04:53.14 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 04:53.14 | purl | ~pong |
| 04:53.20 | Shirik | wtf just happened to my internets |
| 04:53.45 | Cairenn | I eated it! |
| 04:53.46 | Shirik | or maybe pandora just died :( |
| 04:53.52 | Shirik | I needs my music! |
| 04:53.55 | Cairenn | nope, I eated it |
| 04:54.11 | Shirik | can I has it back? :( |
| 04:54.20 | Cairenn | all yur intratubes r belong to me! |
| 04:54.40 | Hjalte | Oh, I used to have Pandora too once... :( |
| 04:55.20 | Hjalte | Is anyone aware of a clever way to make me able to hear Pandora while I am not living in USA? The methods used back then never really worked for me. |
| 04:56.06 | cbreak | Shirik: it also gives the current path if I make a doubleclickable jar. |
| 04:56.12 | Shirik | great :) |
| 04:56.13 | Shirik | thanks |
| 04:57.29 | cbreak | np :) |
| 05:01.47 | Mike-N-Go | May an admin help me. I placed a mod in the wrong category. It should be in chat. The mod is http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11949-TradeSecretaryAdRepeater.html |
| 05:01.49 | Kirov | Hjalte - use a proxy |
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| 05:03.20 | Hjalte | Kirov: I haven't been able to find any web proxies that work, and I'm not sure about using a proxy program on my computer. |
| 05:03.33 | Kirov | Hmm |
| 05:03.54 | Kirov | I'm a us internet user, so I don't have any direct experience doing it. |
| 05:03.56 | Kirov | Sorry. |
| 05:10.29 | Shirik | done Mike-N-Go |
| 05:11.17 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: Yay. |
| 05:15.04 | NightHawkTheSane | http://owl.me.uk/img-lib/phone123.jpg |
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| 05:18.07 | Shirik | ... what? |
| 05:33.08 | NightHawkTheSane | http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8918/horespq7.jpg |
| 05:34.29 | Shirik | where is my pandora T_T |
| 05:34.52 | Shirik | only the air app isn't working |
| 05:34.53 | Shirik | strangfe |
| 05:37.53 | p3lim | NightHawkTheSane: great story there |
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| 05:38.01 | p3lim | i want a hores too |
| 05:38.20 | Codayus | Hjalte_: This guide is for OpenPandoa, but it's absolutely the same for the official web app or the Air app: |
| 05:38.24 | Codayus | http://openpandora.blogspot.com/2007/06/complete-guide-for-using-openpandora.html |
| 05:40.01 | Hjalte_ | Codayus: I found a solution installing a proxy service, but this makes all my internet activity go through it. Do you know if that is the same with tor? |
| 05:40.22 | Codayus | Gives instructions for tunneling using Tor, which works. If you have a shell account in the US you could also just use an SSH tunnel, but shell accounts tend to cost money... |
| 05:41.06 | Codayus | Yes, basicaly it's using tor as a proxy. But it also gives instructions for how to make *only* Pandora use the proxy, which is probably what you want you know. |
| 05:41.29 | Codayus | (Step 3 and 4 at the URL.) |
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| 05:56.13 | Hjalte | Codayus: Cheers, I got it working now. |
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| 06:19.00 | MentalPower | ~seen ccox |
| 06:19.01 | purl | ccox <n=ccox@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/CCox> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 38m 51s ago, saying: 'and it is.....?'. |
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| 06:30.19 | Shirik | ~seen MentalPower|ZZzz |
| 06:30.20 | purl | mentalpower|zzzz is currently on #wowprogramming #wowhead #norganna #wowuidev #wowace #curseforge #wowwiki, last said: 'Tain: I'd just launch the game vanilla, just to see what you still need. Then go from there.'. |
| 06:30.52 | MentalPower|ZZzz | wow, that was a loooooong time ago |
| 06:32.41 | Shirik | :) |
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| 06:36.07 | Wobin | Cairenn: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=lHAshi4vdbg&NR=1 <-- an oldie, but still a goodie |
| 06:37.15 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 06:49.22 | Mike-N-Go | I am trying to fix an old addon. http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7278#comments. If anyone may take a gander at the errors and code I am getting at http://pastey.net/104849 and help me out, it would be appeared. |
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| 06:53.31 | Mike-N-Go | The problem is with CreateFrame() |
| 06:53.34 | Mike-N-Go | I think. |
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| 07:06.40 | Mike-N-Go | Did wowprogramming.com go down? |
| 07:07.24 | Mike-N-Go | I am having trouble connecting to it |
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| 07:22.59 | AnduinLothar | works here |
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| 07:33.21 | Tekkub | wow |
| 07:33.26 | Tekkub | that is a new level of fail... |
| 07:33.34 | Tekkub | Sephirouge |
| 07:33.41 | Tekkub | fail on so many levels... |
| 07:34.00 | Tekkub | no, I did not type that wrong.... |
| 07:35.18 | Shirik | His lack of appropriate spelling should make you (sic) |
| 07:35.35 | Tekkub | not *just* the spelling |
| 07:36.00 | Shirik | s/things/thinks/ |
| 07:36.54 | Tekkub | or rather, /me tings (sic) .... |
| 07:37.01 | Tekkub | gah, fuckit |
| 07:37.03 | Tekkub | I hate you all |
| 07:53.47 | Cairenn | <3 you too, Tekkub |
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| 07:59.29 | zenzio | for you Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/21/funny-pictures-i-am-goddess/ |
| 07:59.35 | Shirik | You know, companies liek Verisign must make a fortune |
| 07:59.55 | Cairenn | yeah, saw that zenzio, thought it was actually a gorgeous poster |
| 07:59.57 | Shirik | now that I think about it, they're basically charging you $700 dollars, etc., for a number |
| 08:00.02 | Shirik | they're selling you a number |
| 08:00.04 | zenzio | christmas holidays are "fun"... apparently I'm the only guy who didn't take these two days off from work |
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| 08:15.33 | Patrick_P | hi |
| 08:16.51 | Patrick_P | I'd like to know which parts of the WoW programmation book isn't up to date anymore... |
| 08:17.24 | jnwhiteh|sleep | well, the book tells you where to find that information |
| 08:17.31 | jnwhiteh|sleep | since listing it page by page would be exhaustive and silly |
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| 08:18.41 | jnwhiteh | Is there something in particular you are concerned about? |
| 08:18.44 | jnwhiteh | Patrick_P: ? |
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| 08:21.40 | Patrick_P | yeah i know but what i want to know is if there is huge parts of the book tha isn't revelant anymore or if it's superficial... i.e. the chapter 12 show us how to create a combat tracker... but i know the combat log has change a lot since this book has been written.. so i don't know if the chapter will be accurate... i didn't started to read this chapter yet put i'm almost there tho... |
| 08:22.00 | jnwhiteh | No, that chapter works just fine |
| 08:22.07 | jnwhiteh | I wrote it specifically so the new changes wouldn't affect it |
| 08:22.11 | jnwhiteh | otherwise I would ahve used another example. |
| 08:22.23 | jnwhiteh | Some aspects of the secure template system have changed, specifically state headers |
| 08:22.32 | jnwhiteh | The combat log (as you noted) has a new system |
| 08:23.02 | jnwhiteh | The Pet/Companion API was introduced |
| 08:23.03 | jnwhiteh | hrm, what else |
| 08:23.24 | jnwhiteh | The Threat system was added, the UnitAura system was revamped a bit, but the code in the book should be compatible with it |
| 08:23.48 | jnwhiteh | those are the major changes |
| 08:25.13 | Patrick_P | kk cool i was scared i'd miss something that would make everything unusable... lol |
| 08:25.22 | Patrick_P | nice to meet you tho:) |
| 08:25.28 | jnwhiteh | nope, that's not the case |
| 08:25.28 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 08:25.46 | jnwhiteh | The website (when the DNS for my whole provider isn't apparently down) has a few small forum topics asking specific questions |
| 08:26.15 | jnwhiteh | so if you get errors (in the TargetText addon in particular.. there are two minor changes to coloring some text) the details are in the post. |
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| 08:28.01 | jnwhiteh | Mike-N-Go: The DNS appears to be down for anyone that doesn't have it cached |
| 08:28.12 | jnwhiteh | but I can't open a trouble ticket because my provider's domain is down too :P |
| 08:28.28 | Mike-N-Go | Haha. |
| 08:28.45 | Patrick_P | lol i'll take a look... as soon as the dns is fixed... lol |
| 08:29.20 | jnwhiteh | anyone in the US able to access it? |
| 08:30.01 | jnwhiteh | Mike-N-Go: those errors aren't from a CreateFrame |
| 08:30.17 | Mike-N-Go | Does google cache count? 9.9 |
| 08:30.22 | jnwhiteh | They're from not passing self as the first argument to the template functions |
| 08:31.37 | jnwhiteh | http://site5.com that down for anyone else? |
| 08:33.04 | Patrick_P | do the highlight graphical layer is automaticaly shown on mouse over or we must code it ourself? |
| 08:33.54 | Mike-N-Go | jnwhiteh: It is late and my brain is not working too well. Can you expand on that? |
| 08:34.05 | Patrick_P | down for me |
| 08:34.17 | jnwhiteh | Patrick_P: HIGHLIGHT is shown on mouse over on mouse enabled frames |
| 08:34.31 | Patrick_P | k thx |
| 08:34.51 | jnwhiteh | Mike-N-Go: Well, I'm curious why you think Createframe is the problem |
| 08:35.22 | Mike-N-Go | jnwhiteh: Maybe I am not thinking correctly. |
| 08:35.30 | Mike-N-Go | site5.com is down for me. |
| 08:35.35 | jnwhiteh | but in BGAlerts_Show(), the code is calling PanelTemplates_SetTab() |
| 08:35.40 | jnwhiteh | however, it is not passing the frame to that function |
| 08:35.48 | jnwhiteh | before this used to work because of 'this' |
| 08:35.59 | jnwhiteh | but that has been removed, so you must pass the frame as the first argument to (most) template functions |
| 08:36.21 | jnwhiteh | i.e. You have to make sure BGAlerts_Show() is BGAlerts_Show(self) and that the frame is passed from the <OnLoad> in the XML |
| 08:36.25 | Mike-N-Go | That addon has not been updated in about 2 years. |
| 08:36.37 | jnwhiteh | and then pass self to PanelTemplates_SetTab() and PanelTemplates_UpdateTabs() |
| 08:36.44 | jnwhiteh | That really doesn't matter, what I said is still wrong with it |
| 08:39.09 | jnwhiteh | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ is useful :P |
| 08:39.31 | jnwhiteh | it says they are both up. |
| 08:39.36 | jnwhiteh | and so they are |
| 08:39.36 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 08:40.04 | jnwhiteh | Patrick_P: http://wowprogramming.com/forums/book/164 is the TargetText issue |
| 08:40.43 | Patrick_P | cool thx |
| 08:50.42 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: It doesn't work here either, so :p |
| 08:50.50 | jnwhiteh | it works for me here now :P |
| 08:50.53 | jnwhiteh | so odd! |
| 08:51.04 | Kalroth | "Firefox can't find the server at www.site5.com." |
| 08:51.09 | Kalroth | I'm using opendns servers |
| 08:52.40 | Tekkub | not working here |
| 08:52.46 | Shirik | their dns is down |
| 08:52.47 | Shirik | http://www.dollardns.net/cgi-bin/dnscrawler/index.pl?server=a.root-servers.net&name=www.site5.com&type=A&class=IN&flags=256&lr=12&submit=Send+Query#report |
| 08:52.58 | Tekkub | they suck |
| 08:53.02 | Tekkub | therefore clad sucks |
| 08:53.05 | Tekkub | badly |
| 08:53.17 | jnwhiteh | It works just fine for me |
| 08:53.20 | jnwhiteh | their servers are up |
| 08:53.25 | jnwhiteh | some people just cannot get to them |
| 08:53.40 | jnwhiteh | hence why i linked those sites above :P |
| 08:54.19 | Tekkub | Ping request could not find host wowprogramming.com. Please check the name and try again. |
| 08:54.24 | Tekkub | :P~~~~ |
| 08:54.38 | jnwhiteh | 08:53 jnwhiteh: some people just cannot get to them |
| 08:54.49 | Kalroth | some people being all the important ones! |
| 08:54.54 | Tekkub | I still say you suck |
| 08:55.28 | Kalroth | I heard that Tek bought your book. 3 times! |
| 08:56.21 | Tekkub | I heard that tek can't afford to pay for things unless he absolutely has to |
| 08:56.26 | Tekkub | like food, stupid food |
| 08:57.18 | Kalroth | I'm sure you're fat enough to skip food for 3-4 days, np! |
| 08:57.47 | Tekkub | I need that fat for winter |
| 08:57.53 | Tekkub | insulation |
| 08:57.55 | Kalroth | hibernation? |
| 08:57.56 | Kalroth | oh |
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| 08:58.49 | Tekkub | hibernation includes short breaks for bathroom, food, leveling, and pretending to work so I can bill clients |
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| 09:32.13 | benjr11 | can addons be potentionaly dangerious to my pc's security, or to my account? |
| 09:33.24 | leethal | they run in a sandbox, so no |
| 09:33.44 | leethal | the worst thing that could happen is that wow/windows crashes cause of an infinite loop or something |
| 09:33.51 | leethal | (afaik) |
| 09:34.10 | benjr11 | theres a fanupdate to a dead addon that id liek to try, i was just cautious |
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| 09:36.23 | ReAn | benjr11: just make sure you download it from a trusted source like curse.com / wowinterface.com |
| 09:36.37 | ReAn | they ensure all uploaded files are virus/executable free |
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| 09:36.53 | leethal | good point. addons themselves can't do anything, but zipfiles are dangerous business |
| 09:37.28 | benjr11 | it was on curse cloned repositories, i hadnt hotred of them before |
| 09:37.53 | benjr11 | heard* |
| 09:38.25 | benjr11 | wow.curseforge.com, idk if theyre different then wow.curse.com |
| 09:40.13 | ReAn | same place |
| 09:40.20 | leethal | files hosted on curseforge is automatically pushed to wow.curse.com etc. |
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| 09:41.50 | benjr11 | ah cool, thanks for the help guys |
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| 10:06.53 | Thunder_Child | your right Shirikm f/141 is rather awesome |
| 10:07.01 | Thunder_Child | s/m/,/ |
| 10:07.06 | Shirik | At 1/60s, damn |
| 10:07.19 | Shirik | I need that film |
| 10:07.41 | Shirik | I mean it was just a little animated show but I still found it amusing :) |
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| 10:11.19 | Tewan | How do you make a macro show (x) tooltip when on ground, but (y) tooltip in water? |
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| 10:21.36 | ReAn | you think a lvl 80 rogue could solo SP/UB? |
| 10:21.42 | bonerguard | HEY |
| 10:21.45 | bonerguard | P-P=R |
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| 10:23.31 | zenzio | well that was insightful |
| 10:24.04 | Shirik | Night |
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| 10:26.05 | Shirik | so as I was saying before my client decided to go kaboom |
| 10:26.07 | Shirik | night |
| 10:27.39 | Olorin | gnight shirik |
| 10:27.46 | Olorin | turn the beeper off tonight lol |
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| 13:24.28 | foxlit | "Paamayim Nekudotayim would, at first, seem like a strange choice for naming a double-colon. However, while writing the Zend Engine 0.5 (which powers PHP 3), that's what the Zend team decided to call it. It actually does mean double-colon - in Hebrew!" |
| 13:24.57 | foxlit | The PHP language reference is exciting!!11. |
| 13:28.59 | zenzio | I hate that error |
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| 13:47.41 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. |
| 13:47.48 | zenzio | they're not mutually exclusive |
| 13:47.54 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, well then, carry on. |
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| 13:50.40 | Lunessa | uidev |
| 13:50.48 | Lopeppeppy | No. U. |
| 13:50.51 | Lunessa | Station. |
| 13:50.56 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, dear. *hug* |
| 13:51.06 | Lunessa | That'll teach me to remember I have an auot-join... |
| 13:51.15 | Lopeppeppy | Ya. |
| 13:51.25 | Lopeppeppy | Glad it was your channel and not all your passwords to be keylogged. |
| 13:51.34 | Lunessa | Not awake yet. Not entirely sure how I got to the office... |
| 13:52.00 | zenzio | you never left |
| 13:55.36 | Lopeppeppy | 2 1/2 feet, Lunessa. Not counting what the wind blew up into hip-high drifts overnight. |
| 13:55.57 | Lunessa | Wow. You got some snow alrighty. |
| 13:56.29 | zenzio | <Lopeppeppy> 2 1/2 feet <--- sounds like you're starting to become a tall gnome! |
| 13:57.24 | Lopeppeppy | I am, zenzio. *preens* I'm growing up big and strong. |
| 13:58.35 | Lunessa | It's beginning to look a lot like Azeroth, everywhere where you go. Gnomes in the street, tip their Winter Veil hats and greet! |
| 13:59.03 | Lopeppeppy | And then the goblins piss upon your feet! |
| 13:59.14 | Lopeppeppy | ... wait, that's not very holiday joyful, is it? |
| 13:59.43 | Lunessa | I was trying to be cheery and bright. FAIL? |
| 14:00.00 | Lopeppeppy | No, Peppy is for fail this morning, digging in snows makes me cranky. |
| 14:06.08 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, I had bailey's eggnog last night after digging the car out. |
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| 14:13.33 | Lunessa | I had a pepsi and a Naxx raid of frustration. Trade? |
| 14:13.49 | Lopeppeppy | Ya. Never been to Naxx, might be fun to see when I get older. |
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| 14:24.27 | Lunessa | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/12/19/ |
| 14:25.11 | Lunessa | Oh you will, <Grounding Totem> will be clearing Naxx in the not too distant future. It'll be fun. |
| 14:25.14 | Lopeppeppy | I threw snowflakes at Alestane's head last night. That was yummyfun. |
| 14:25.32 | Lopeppeppy | Um... gonna have to get right on that level grind over the holiday break then, aren't I? |
| 14:25.33 | Lunessa | Hehe. |
| 14:26.25 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously, pony boy is just 71 and a half. I hate leveling holy, I just hate it to pieces. |
| 14:27.17 | Lunessa | If you want help, let me know. I like the Northrend content, and I've done it like... 4 times now, so I more or less remember where to find things. |
| 14:27.37 | Lunessa | Also, I have alts who could level with you. |
| 14:27.57 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs* You'll see a lot more of me during the winter break, I have from the 24th through the 5th off, which is like... forever. |
| 14:28.22 | Lunessa | Oddly enough, I have that same time-frame off from work. Odd. |
| 14:28.40 | Lopeppeppy | Wonder if we're like, twins or something... :P |
| 14:32.22 | alestane | Well, now I have at least half an hour or so to grind my fishing that I wasn't expecting to have. |
| 14:32.32 | Lunessa | Separated at birth? Enquiring minds want to know! |
| 14:33.53 | alestane | This guy's brain goes in some increasingly weird places sometimes: Permanent link to this comic: http://xkcd.com/520/ |
| 14:34.26 | alestane | (Admittedly, I'm also perpetually fascinated by cephalopods.) |
| 14:34.46 | Lopeppeppy | I love squidling-creatures! Cthuluhooo hoooo rocks! |
| 14:36.11 | Lunessa | alestane: Dude, I'm with him on this one. Cephalopods are a frighteningly wicked night-terror. |
| 14:36.18 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/19/funny-pictures-i-iz-attic-cat-wat-for-u-kan-i-do/ |
| 14:36.36 | alestane | Lunessa: Did you read about Otto? |
| 14:36.44 | Lunessa | Um, no? |
| 14:37.46 | alestane | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3328480/Otto-the-octopus-wrecks-havoc.html |
| 14:37.49 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_umYYoqaGl4 |
| 14:38.02 | Lopeppeppy | They are damn smart little monkeyfishes. |
| 14:40.56 | alestane | I didn't see the crab at the end there when the container popped open, so the little tako must have grabbed it before it could get away. |
| 14:41.40 | Lopeppeppy | I would assume so, alestane. If not, I'm sure he got it later on. |
| 14:43.43 | alestane | This, however, is a little freaky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFOEZh1Lbbg |
| 14:44.00 | alestane | Giant octopus alligator-wrestles four-foot shark. |
| 14:44.11 | Lopeppeppy | Octopi rule the world, my friend. |
| 14:46.19 | alestane | Or there's on linked off of that of an automated recon submarine encountering a rather large octopus, although I'm not sure it was worthy of the "Kirk vs. Spock" music track. |
| 14:46.34 | Lunessa | Srsly |
| 14:47.34 | Lopeppeppy | Submarines and octopi are not best friends fighting over a woman, they shouldn't get the theme music. |
| 14:48.08 | Lunessa | And the best part - only one is fighting for the woman, the other is just there because his friend needs him. |
| 14:48.38 | Lopeppeppy | Or is just fighting to not be killed and eaten. :) |
| 14:49.05 | alestane | Orcas seem to have this tendency to develop tastes in delicacies. One of those linked videos is an orca attacking a shark, ripping it its liver and leaving the rest of the carcass. |
| 14:49.39 | Lunessa | Orca are frighteningly like humans in their rapacious cruelty. |
| 14:49.45 | Nom- | weeee soloed first 3 bosses in SLABS |
| 14:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | They have a way of playing with their food that makes me queasy |
| 14:51.11 | alestane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjp_jumlO3A Holy crap that thing is LARGE. |
| 14:52.23 | Nom- | clearing to murmor now ^_^ |
| 14:52.53 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: I found Alexander Jablokov's novel "A Deeper Sea" fascinating. Although he largely romanticizes (if that's the right word for such nihilistic worldviews) the dolphins and orca. it's plain that he did quite a bit of scientific and mythological research as well. |
| 14:52.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I think it's a humbolt. Others get bigger. |
| 14:53.30 | Lunessa | alestane: have you read David Brin's Startide Rising? |
| 14:54.01 | alestane | I've read many, many Brin books. Both Uplift trilogies, Earth and Glory Season. |
| 14:54.33 | Lunessa | Ok, Me too. Just really, really liked the Orca cross in Startide. |
| 14:55.13 | alestane | He was an interesting character, but I liked the one who had to face him down at the end better. |
| 14:55.22 | Lunessa | If you can find "Tales of Otherness" a collection of his short works, it's worth reading too. |
| 14:55.47 | Lunessa | Dolphins in that series are amazing, really. |
| 14:56.12 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Just watched that first one of the octopus opening the ball again. You can see two or three of his arms slither into the gap between the halves as he pops it open. The crab never had a chance. |
| 14:56.25 | Nom- | zomg 11k on murmur |
| 14:57.42 | alestane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLPXpluXnFE If that really is what the title says it is, I wonder if those folks handling it know that its bite can kill a grown man in ten minutes. |
| 14:58.08 | Lopeppeppy | Hopefully a look-alike octopus. |
| 14:59.46 | Lunessa | I read a novella in jr. high school about an octopus that was used in intellect enhancement research. It stuck with me, but not the name of the novella or the author. The creature plots for a long time to kill the scientist working with it. |
| 15:00.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yummy revenge. |
| 15:01.27 | Gnarfoz | what spec do I want to level 70-80 as, being a warlock? |
| 15:01.53 | Lopeppeppy | Destruction! |
| 15:02.55 | alestane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8oQBYw6xxc This one is fascinating. It's not particularly malevolent, but it's ingenious in its marine "social engineering", and proof to me that they're at least somewhat conscious of both themselves and their surroundings. |
| 15:02.57 | Lunessa | I did 70-71 as Demonlogy in beta ( was running out of time to spare for alts) and Metamorphosis was tricky for me to use. Destruction plays a lot like a mage, i.e. spam dps spells. |
| 15:04.05 | alestane | I"m advancing from a 21/40/0 build, spreading out into broader Demo and Afflinction talents. I don't usually go for deepest-tier talents. |
| 15:06.03 | alestane | But my baby warlock on Kirin Tor is specing Destruction. |
| 15:06.15 | Lopeppeppy | Explosives!! |
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| 15:07.28 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/214/ This problem is also true of YouTube. |
| 15:07.32 | Lunessa | Oi, I should crank out a bunch of EZ-Throw Dynamite for lower-level guildiees to use. |
| 15:07.38 | Lopeppeppy | oooh, dynamite! |
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| 15:14.59 | Lunessa | Seerah apparently has psychic powers. |
| 15:15.22 | Lopeppeppy | Oh? |
| 15:15.29 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not surprised, but what has she done? |
| 15:17.07 | Lunessa | She posted something about using a trance, and then solved an AddOn problem by noting it was vista. From entirely not enough information. |
| 15:17.23 | Lopeppeppy | Vista induces siezures, not trancs. |
| 15:17.44 | Lopeppeppy | Which thread, I totally have to say that now. :) |
| 15:19.06 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13770857767&sid=1 |
| 15:19.35 | Lopeppeppy | *grins* |
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| 15:41.12 | foxlit | $#%#$ you, Dragon Queen. |
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| 15:41.35 | foxlit | (Serenity so needs to either have its range removed or stop blocking companion summons) |
| 15:41.39 | Lopeppeppy | With a chainsaw. |
| 15:41.56 | NightHawkTheSane | yay for cancelled flights. >< |
| 15:42.05 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I'm so sorry, NightHawkTheSane. *hugs* |
| 15:42.37 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* i'll live. it's just frustrating |
| 15:43.28 | Lopeppeppy | I hear ya. I've spent time with a bunch of different friends who dealt with airline asshattery all weekend... |
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| 15:44.15 | alestane | Now my baby warlock has some time to fish herself silly. |
| 15:44.41 | Lopeppeppy | I need to sit Saryel down and work on her extra skills, like fishing and stuff. Same for Ladayne. |
| 15:44.53 | zenzelezz | "fish herself", is that what they call it these days? |
| 15:45.01 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
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| 15:50.24 | Lunessa | Minds in the gutter, we has dem. |
| 15:50.29 | Lopeppeppy | No wai! |
| 15:50.48 | alestane | Never mind the horns, they're only there to hold up the halo. |
| 15:51.22 | Lopeppeppy | What am halo? |
| 15:51.35 | zenzelezz | stop pretending to be surprised about some of us turning things in a sexual direciton |
| 15:51.41 | zenzelezz | direction |
| 15:52.13 | alestane | I am not surprised by any of zenzelezz' innuendos any more. He/you is clearly a bottom less font. |
| 15:52.22 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: why not? |
| 15:52.33 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a good girl. |
| 15:52.40 | alestane | [10 Pound Mud Snapper] #2. |
| 15:52.41 | zenzelezz | riiight |
| 15:52.57 | alestane | Good at what, exactly? |
| 15:53.17 | Fisker- | zenzelezz is awesome |
| 15:53.36 | Lopeppeppy | alestane... the standard answer applies. "Being myself." |
| 15:53.41 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6757867106&sid=1&pageNo=6#107 - this is why children should be held back in school, ffs. |
| 15:54.14 | alestane | Or as one of our friends says, "Be good. Or if not, at least be good at it." |
| 15:55.04 | alestane | Lunessa: I'd have to guess that English is NOT their first language. |
| 15:55.21 | Fisker- | Why would anyone trouble shoot their addons? |
| 15:55.24 | Fisker- | Shooting is bad |
| 15:55.33 | Lopeppeppy | Guns don't shoot people. I do. |
| 15:55.49 | Lunessa | I no longer assume that without other evidence. I've given up ascribing other causes to bad language skills when idiocy suffices. |
| 15:56.40 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: somehow that reminded me of a good old quote... |
| 15:56.48 | zenzelezz | "I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him." |
| 15:56.49 | Lopeppeppy | Stooooopid is as stupid does. |
| 15:56.54 | ZorbaTHut | betcha he's using an ancient version of QuestHelper without good support for high-level quests and hasn't even considered updating |
| 15:57.09 | Lopeppeppy | Betcha he's a whine ass. |
| 15:57.21 | ZorbaTHut | that too ;) |
| 15:57.29 | Fisker- | moo: cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz 8 processor(s) at 3058MHz |
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| 15:57.34 | Fisker- | betcha i hit him as a child |
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| 15:57.54 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: As much as I appreciate the work and effort you put into QuestHelper... Well, you're preventing natural selection from working. :P |
| 15:57.56 | sacarasc | why so overclocked, Fisker-? |
| 15:58.09 | Fisker- | It's the Core i7! |
| 15:58.49 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, I'm just re-orienting it a bit. now you'll have to figure out their skill through some other method ;) |
| 15:58.49 | ZorbaTHut | I have actually been vaguely pondering an anonymous distributed reputation system. which would be neat. |
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| 16:00.11 | Lunessa | I have some lingering resentment towards QH because earlier versions caused major memory issues and there are other related problems stemming from that. But mostly, it's the users who "ZOMG can't fsking play" without it. *shrug* not your fault. I am just not in favor of coddling more idiots. |
| 16:01.19 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, they sort of bug me too :P but I feel like, hey, it's a game. if they don't want to do the questing part, they shouldn't be forced to. WoW is like six games in one, and several of the games require you to plow through questing first even if you don't want to. |
| 16:01.39 | ZorbaTHut | I can't really blame someone for wanting to get past them, if there was a "create level 80 avatar" button I'd be pounding it nine times right now. |
| 16:02.00 | NightHawkTheSane | http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2008/12/21/someone_s_getting_a_little_pun |
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| 16:02.32 | alestane | When did #showtooltip Soul Shard stop displaying item counts on the bar? |
| 16:02.42 | Lunessa | Yeah, I just deplore people who can't or won't read. Quest instructions are never more than 4-5 paragraphs. And they're very clear. Hell, they're practically bullet points. If you can figure out your TV remote you can figure out quests in WoW. |
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| 16:03.00 | alestane | Assuming that you have reading comprehension skills. |
| 16:03.08 | ZorbaTHut | some of them are a little more unclear than others, I remember one in Zul'drak that said "go find these guys! we don't know where they are" |
| 16:03.10 | Lunessa | Assuming you can read at all. |
| 16:03.15 | ZorbaTHut | but yeah, the majority of quests are extremely clear |
| 16:03.28 | ZorbaTHut | the part that interests me about QH is the routing, not the tell-me-where-everything-is section ;) |
| 16:03.35 | Lopeppeppy | If you don't want to explore, don't play the damn game. |
| 16:03.56 | ZorbaTHut | lope, there's multiple ways to play the game. Some guys just want to arena. Some guys just want to raid. |
| 16:04.17 | Lunessa | Like I said, not mad at you. Grumpy and mad at idiots who want me to coddle them trough raids like QH did through questing. :P |
| 16:04.17 | ZorbaTHut | Some just want to have lesbian cybersex in Goldshire while pretending to be a night elf. |
| 16:04.30 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, boot 'em from the raid with extreme prejudice ;) |
| 16:04.39 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: You've played on Kirin Tor? |
| 16:04.40 | |Jelly| | Rut Roah. What happened Lunessa? |
| 16:05.00 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, I hear that's a problem on basically every RP server |
| 16:05.05 | Lunessa | It is. |
| 16:05.31 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: Nothing really happened. I'm just irritable in general. |
| 16:05.38 | sacarasc | Goldshire is a no go area on my server... unless you like rampant retardism |
| 16:05.40 | |Jelly| | Aww. /hug |
| 16:06.48 | Lunessa | Goldshire. You will never find a more wretched hive of skanks and noobism. |
| 16:08.15 | ZorbaTHut | is there a Horde equivalent to Goldshire? I've never heard Crossroads talked about in those terms |
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| 16:09.01 | alestane | Barrens chat is pretty universally awful, but The Crossraids is best known for being perpetually under attack. |
| 16:09.06 | duaiwe | "Connection failed. Error: Invalid argument" what the fuck? |
| 16:09.18 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: the closest equivalent on Kirin Tor (US) is Brill. |
| 16:09.28 | ZorbaTHut | ah, brill makes sense |
| 16:10.29 | alestane | "You aren't online? This isn't one of your alts?" "Do I look like I'm playing WoW?" "But if you aren't...I mean...then who am I cybering with?" "That is a VERY GOOD question." |
| 16:11.13 | Lunessa | Haha... alestane that's one of the best Penny Arcade's EVER. |
| 16:11.30 | Lopeppeppy | Oopsies oopsies |
| 16:13.08 | alestane | I also liked Gabe's explanation for what really happened. |
| 16:13.08 | Lunessa | I know what I know. I'll say what I have said. We come and we go, that's the line I keep in the back of my head. |
| 16:14.28 | Lopeppeppy | It's a street in a strange world, maybe it's the third world, or maybe it's his first time around. |
| 16:14.52 | alestane | "The good news is that I didn't just accidentally solicit pornographic photos from an underage girl, the bad news is that my wife thinks I just tried to." |
| 16:15.21 | Lunessa | His wife must be one of the most understanding women in the universe. |
| 16:15.38 | Lopeppeppy | Do not get the Peppy started on the uses of WoW to foster infidelity. *nod* |
| 16:16.06 | alestane | I think she was willing to recognize that she set him up. |
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| 16:16.31 | Cheads | uhm, has there been made a replacement for WoWInterface UI Manager? |
| 16:17.33 | Lunessa | I mean, with all the times the wife gets dragged into the comic strip, you have to imagine that she has a pretty good sense of humor about their antics. |
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| 16:19.56 | alestane | I think they must have tweaked fishing quests. Every successful cast has included one of the quest fish. |
| 16:20.31 | zenzelezz | alestane: Outland fishing daily? |
| 16:20.48 | alestane | Spotted sunfish in Lakeshire. |
| 16:21.01 | zenzelezz | hm, don't know about that one |
| 16:21.13 | zenzelezz | the fishing daily in Outland is bugged in that you always get it on the first cast |
| 16:21.18 | Lopeppeppy | The quest says you can get them from the murlocs, most people just go slaughter murlocs. |
| 16:21.20 | zenzelezz | (they've said it's a bug) |
| 16:22.12 | alestane | I should go do Electropellers now then. |
| 16:22.27 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. |
| 16:22.53 | alestane | Kat said she did that squest recently in 12 casts, that would explain how |
| 16:23.10 | Lopeppeppy | And she thought she was just being clever! |
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| 16:34.49 | |Jelly| | Oh |
| 16:36.48 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. |
| 16:37.37 | alestane | Speaking of which, I had to dig my car out this morning. |
| 16:38.12 | alestane | The icepack under the wheels was a huge pain. |
| 16:40.07 | Lopeppeppy | Did not do some digging last night? Silly rabbit. |
| 16:40.28 | alestane | Some, but not enough. |
| 16:42.01 | Lopeppeppy | Dig, dig, dig a tunnel, quick before the hyena comes! |
| 16:43.15 | alestane | Oh noes I is escared of the hyena! |
| 16:43.44 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort alestane |
| 16:43.45 | purl | There, there, alestane. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 16:47.04 | alestane | Ding 20. |
| 16:49.24 | Lunessa | Woo! |
| 16:49.32 | Lopeppeppy | Wow. You've been all busyful when I wasn't looking. |
| 16:51.12 | alestane | One more shot at Bellygrub before I go back and start my bitch quest. |
| 16:51.23 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 16:53.13 | alestane | Wow, one level makes all the difference. |
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| 16:54.55 | alestane | The tick over from red into orange. |
| 16:55.21 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
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| 17:01.05 | Lunessa | in Nov/Dec 2004 when I did the quests on my 'lock (on a PvP server, being led around by a gnome who thought it most amusing to get me killed as many times as possible) I used to joke that once I got the succubus, my character never had a reason to leave the house... |
| 17:01.38 | alestane | Ritual of Summoning and Rain of Fire. |
| 17:01.59 | Lopeppeppy | Those are reasons to leave the house? |
| 17:02.13 | alestane | No....but they are my new spells. |
| 17:02.22 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 17:06.13 | Lopeppeppy | How's things, dear? |
| 17:06.32 | Shirik | my brother just woke me up :( |
| 17:06.38 | Shirik | because he got a virus lol |
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| 17:07.21 | Lopeppeppy | Yay for family! |
| 17:07.27 | Shirik | Is it bad if you start recognizing virus names? |
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| 17:08.10 | Lopeppeppy | Hrm... for you, no. |
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| 17:08.28 | Shirik | what's that supposed to me :/ |
| 17:08.38 | alestane | I can't find the comic, Errant Story doesn't have much of a search system, but there's this one filler strip where a run-down succubus is handing some gold to a gnome, and the gnome is saying "Is this all? I didn't run my little gnome hiney ragged all over Ashenvale so that you could waste your talents on gnolls and zombies...now get yoah li'l' skank ass down to the trade district and shake it for all the twinks and nublets!" |
| 17:09.14 | Corr-work | i like where this is going |
| 17:09.18 | alestane | and then underneath it adds, "...and then I was suddenly banned from the RP server for no good reason." |
| 17:09.40 | Lunessa | haha |
| 17:10.13 | Lunessa | I should make "A Warlock Named Slickback" and just get to 20. |
| 17:11.20 | alestane | NOT getting ot the Barrens by going through Dustwallow this time. |
| 17:12.20 | Lunessa | Going via Dustwallow at 20 is a good way to do a lot of corpse runs. See my story ^^ |
| 17:12.58 | alestane | I did it the first time at 21, before I knew about Ashenvale. |
| 17:13.32 | alestane | Died three times, thanks to a useful strategy called, "Throw the imp and run." |
| 17:15.02 | zenzelezz | I remember when my first character, the orc, was starting to finish Barrens and I went near Ashenvale. "Contested Territory"... this can't be good |
| 17:15.26 | zenzelezz | sure enough, there was pain |
| 17:16.00 | Lunessa | A great deal of pain trying to do all the low-level warlock pet/mount quests in contested territory. It was a LONG day. |
| 17:16.33 | alestane | I have a simple solution for that. |
| 17:17.04 | Corr-work | alcohol? |
| 17:17.11 | Lunessa | Notice, I no longer plat on a PvP server. |
| 17:17.13 | alestane | "Don't play on PvP servers." |
| 17:17.40 | sacarasc | more like "no longer splat on a PvP server" |
| 17:17.51 | Lunessa | Yeah, that too. |
| 17:18.29 | Lunessa | 58 levels on a PvP server as a demonolgy spec warlock (pre initial class review) basically meant I was dead all the time. |
| 17:19.38 | alestane | PvP servers should be tense and exciting but istead they're just abusive. |
| 17:23.01 | Anaral | What is a good cooldown mod? I pretty much want it to show the internal cooldown of my procs like Eclipse... |
| 17:23.26 | Lunessa | Back then, level 60 was the cap, there were no raids, and all there was to do at 60 was kill "n00bs" |
| 17:24.27 | alestane | So like any abused child, everyone grows up to be either a ganker or a carebear. |
| 17:24.50 | |Jelly| | And of course the definition of "n00bs" is someone who is alone and can not take on all five of "us" ? |
| 17:25.49 | alestane | Multiboxing wasn't as refined yet, "us" was probably really "us". |
| 17:26.45 | ZorbaTHut | that's the real problem with world pvp |
| 17:26.54 | ZorbaTHut | 95% of the random pairups are predetermined before you even start |
| 17:26.58 | ZorbaTHut | if not more |
| 17:27.22 | Shirik | You know, some of Java's errors are incredibly stupid and shouldn't be errors.... |
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| 17:31.23 | Corr-work | like what? |
| 17:33.31 | Tem|work | oh wow |
| 17:33.43 | Tem|work | Tempered Titansteel helm just got a major buff |
| 17:33.56 | zenzelezz | oh? |
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| 17:34.25 | ZorbaTHut | dammit, am I going to end up giving up my engineer goggles? :( |
| 17:34.45 | Tem|work | zenzelezz: they added a blue and meta socket |
| 17:34.50 | Tem|work | without changing the other stats on it |
| 17:35.01 | zenzelezz | bastards |
| 17:35.10 | sacarasc | heh |
| 17:35.15 | Tem|work | I wonder if that'll go live tomorrow |
| 17:35.36 | ZorbaTHut | sigh. looks like I'll end up tossing the engineer specs on my belt. and then looking stupid. :( |
| 17:37.22 | Tem|work | do what? |
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| 17:38.38 | Shirik | Corr-work: http://java.pastey.net/104875 |
| 17:38.43 | Shirik | Like that one |
| 17:38.59 | Shirik | no... log WON'T have not been initialized, but it's convinced it may not have been, and that's an error in java |
| 17:39.39 | alestane | This warlock in the tower of Althalaxx, has anyone else noticed that his followers are exclusively female? |
| 17:39.47 | ZorbaTHut | java: saving the programmer from themselves, because all errors can be fixed through compiletime errors or proper design |
| 17:40.02 | Shirik | I don't see how this error can be fixed |
| 17:40.11 | Shirik | It's quite obvious that it won't have not been initialized, I don't know what its deal is |
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| 17:40.18 | zenzelezz | Shirik: I spotted your problem |
| 17:40.26 | Shirik | what is it? |
| 17:40.28 | zenzelezz | you're using Java |
| 17:40.31 | Shirik | >< |
| 17:40.52 | Lopeppeppy | General forums are hilarious! |
| 17:40.54 | Shirik | Not generally my top choice, but I tend to choose it when doing web-based applications for the portability |
| 17:40.57 | alestane | !xml |
| 17:41.04 | alestane | ~xml |
| 17:41.05 | purl | Some people, when confronted with a problem, think 'I know, I'll use XML.' Now they have two problems. |
| 17:41.14 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, in theory, the constructor, or functions that it calls, could create a ModuleUpdateProcess and call functions on it |
| 17:41.25 | ZorbaTHut | therefore, log could in theory be used in an uninitialized state |
| 17:41.29 | sacarasc | Tem|work: what's the socket bonus? |
| 17:41.33 | Shirik | That's why I pointed out that "log" is one of the first things the constructor does |
| 17:41.36 | Tem|work | 8 def rating, I think |
| 17:41.37 | Corr-work | hmm, that isn't right... |
| 17:41.53 | Shirik | The only other things are felix calls, which have no knowledge of this class (note that the inner class is private) |
| 17:42.00 | Tem|work | I'm at 545 def skill.. I don't understand why people were bitching |
| 17:42.54 | Tem|work | huh |
| 17:42.59 | Tem|work | the armory doesn't catch BS sockets |
| 17:43.00 | Corr-work | hmm. i guess i'm not familiar enough with private inner classes that don't extend anything to really understand the relationship between their constructors and variables initialized by their parent's constructors |
| 17:43.07 | Corr-work | afraid i can't really help |
| 17:43.09 | zenzelezz | Tem: DK? |
| 17:43.12 | foxlit | Why not just check that it's not null? |
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| 17:43.31 | foxlit | It'll make the compiler back off, and if it works as you think it does, won't cause any issues. |
| 17:43.51 | Tem|work | zenzelezz: yeah |
| 17:43.52 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, "null" and "uninitialized" aren't the same thing in this case. if he set it to null, it'd work, however |
| 17:44.03 | Corr-work | when you call ModuleUpdateProcess's constructor, does it call UpdateDispatcher's constructor? |
| 17:44.09 | Lunessa | alestane: Of course his followers are all female. He's got uber-incbus pheromones. |
| 17:44.47 | alestane | Apparently, since they're also wearing really decolleté shirts. |
| 17:44.51 | Corr-work | it can't, because it takes different arguments... and it's a private class, which i guess means it can only be called by functions of that class anyway |
| 17:45.48 | Shirik | foxlit: I thought you couldn't do that actually, but apparently you can |
| 17:45.53 | Shirik | I thought it would give the same error |
| 17:45.56 | Corr-work | i suspect that it's warning you here that, if you were to instantiate a ModuleUpdateProcess in a static function of UpdateDispatcher, then log would be uninitialized |
| 17:46.22 | Shirik | That's impossible, Corr-work |
| 17:46.28 | Shirik | ModuleUpdateProcess is not a static class |
| 17:47.08 | Corr-work | i don't think i've heard of a static class before |
| 17:47.26 | Corr-work | i take it that, in the context of an inner class like this, it requires an instance of its ... parent? |
| 17:47.26 | Shirik | ok, inner classes can either be static or non-static |
| 17:47.31 | Shirik | right |
| 17:47.38 | Shirik | non-static inner classes have a reference to its parent as well |
| 17:48.11 | Corr-work | all right. i guess the compiler is just confused about that point, then. |
| 17:48.13 | Shirik | (In this case, I could reference it by using UpdateDispatcher.this) |
| 17:48.47 | Shirik | (However the compiler is smart enough to figure out if I do this.log I meant UpdateDispatcher.this.log unless the inner class also contains a "log" field) |
| 17:49.14 | Shirik | Of course, I just skipped it completely and said "log" which it is also smart enough to figure out |
| 17:49.35 | Shirik | inner classes bring all sorts of fun to Java :) And anonymous classes :) |
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| 17:52.22 | Patrick_P | hey guys... i'd like to go which xml validator i should use... MVS, XMLSpy or any other xml validator u could tell me is better... and does any1 know if we can validate xml with dreamweaver? I already own it and I'm a bit familiar with it so it would be nice |
| 17:52.34 | Patrick_P | sorry for the wall of text... lol |
| 17:56.18 | Corr-work | i don't even know what xml validation means, sorry |
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| 17:56.56 | alestane | I use XML Nanny. |
| 17:57.07 | alestane | I used Altova command line tools at work. |
| 17:57.27 | Shirik | nm foxlit |
| 17:57.38 | foxlit | mm? |
| 17:57.41 | Shirik | if (log == null) { <-- produces "Variable 'log' may not have been initialized" |
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| 17:57.48 | Shirik | like I thought |
| 17:58.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Patrick_P: there are a few things you can use.. if you're on windows, Visual Studio (the free, "express" version) does a great job of doing that |
| 17:58.42 | alestane | Because that's still a test of a possibly unconstructed variable. |
| 17:58.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Patrick_P: if you just want to validate a quick bit of XML, you can use this site I hacked up: http://dev.averageurl.com/wow/xml/ |
| 17:59.00 | foxlit | Yeah, ZorbaTHut pointed that out earlier. |
| 17:59.07 | Patrick_P | cool thx :) |
| 17:59.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Patrick_P: or the WoW Programming book lists a few ways to validate |
| 17:59.17 | ScytheBlade1 | And I need to update that.. |
| 17:59.25 | Patrick_P | yeah... that's the ones i pointed... lol |
| 17:59.58 | Patrick_P | they recommand xmlnanny... but i'm on windows... |
| 18:00.22 | Patrick_P | i think i'll try MVS express |
| 18:00.26 | Patrick_P | thx you |
| 18:00.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Download Visual Studio from MS's site, the express version is fine. |
| 18:00.37 | alestane | I didn't spend enough time with DreamWeaver to determine if it could actually validate XML or not. |
| 18:00.55 | Lopeppeppy | You can ask it to display as a webpage, maybe that would do it. |
| 18:01.54 | Patrick_P | well i looked on google and if it is possible it seems to be too complicated to be an option |
| 18:02.03 | foxlit | The problem, probably, is "final" |
| 18:03.26 | foxlit | But then again, it's been a while. I was thinking that all reference types are initialized to null by default, but final probably negates that. |
| 18:04.21 | Shirik | they are |
| 18:04.25 | Shirik | that's the best part |
| 18:04.32 | Shirik | is kinda like "why is this even an error" |
| 18:04.59 | zenzelezz | gief #pragma warning(disable:x) ;) |
| 18:05.03 | foxlit | The problem is, if you go private final Foo foo = null;, you might not be able to set it to anything else again. |
| 18:05.16 | Shirik | right, you won't |
| 18:05.44 | Shirik | But it's legal to initialize final fields in the constructor as well. However apparently that's pissing off my inner classes |
| 18:06.25 | mikma | i wonder has someone bought "deathknight.dk" |
| 18:07.50 | Shirik | http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=deathknight&tld=dk |
| 18:08.02 | Shirik | Registered: 2008-11-09 |
| 18:08.02 | Shirik | Expires: 2009-11-30 |
| 18:08.31 | mikma | whatabout nerf.dk, wotlk.dk |
| 18:08.44 | Shirik | Here's the best part foxlit: The error randomly disappears and reappears when I make changes |
| 18:08.56 | Shirik | So it's like I hit a border case and even the compiler isn't sure of what's going on |
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| 18:09.26 | Cide | nono |
| 18:09.27 | Cide | i.dk |
| 18:09.40 | zenzelezz | Shirik: sounds almost like a friend of mine; he's forced to use Borland C++. After a couple of years it suddenly decided it didn't like their log function |
| 18:09.43 | Shirik | nerf.dk was registered a very long time ago |
| 18:10.39 | Shirik | wotlk.dk even has nameserver records |
| 18:10.45 | Shirik | and an active site |
| 18:11.20 | mikma | how can i check emotes from chatframe1? :O |
| 18:11.40 | mikma | hook addmessage, check for string, win? |
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| 18:12.20 | zenzelezz | you mean to check when someone (anyone) does an emote? |
| 18:12.31 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Seerah |
| 18:13.09 | Seerah | morning peppy :) |
| 18:13.20 | mikma | zenzelezz: exactly |
| 18:13.33 | Corr-work | hey, we use borland C++ builder, too! :D |
| 18:13.53 | zenzelezz | mikma: what about CHAT_MSG_TEXT_EMOTE? |
| 18:13.57 | Shirik | I'm sorry, Corr-work |
| 18:14.07 | mikma | zenzelezz: is cool, lessee |
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| 18:35.02 | alestane | f'ing narcoleptic druid... |
| 18:35.24 | Lopeppeppy | I hate him. Passionately. I didn't do that quest, I can never do it alone at level. |
| 18:35.49 | alestane | I'm amused that you instantly recognize what I'm talking about. |
| 18:36.04 | Lopeppeppy | Kerlorian, is that his name? |
| 18:36.14 | alestane | Kerlonian Evershade. |
| 18:36.21 | zenzelezz | I assumed it was another forum troll until peppy spoke of the quest... only then did I recognize it |
| 18:36.59 | Lopeppeppy | Wuvs! http://www.cuteoverload.com/ |
| 18:37.04 | alestane | You wake him up and he says, "I'd rather be hibernating."...yes, obviously. |
| 18:37.38 | alestane | The ADD elf in Feralas isn't as bad. |
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| 18:41.38 | alestane | "How to maximize your Snorgling"...Kat likes to practice that one. |
| 18:41.56 | Lopeppeppy | *innocent hum* |
| 18:42.43 | alestane | CuteThingsFallingAsleep.org? |
| 18:43.05 | Lopeppeppy | Tra la la. |
| 18:43.20 | mikma | lol i'm bored -> decided to do a small emote autoreply |
| 18:43.38 | mikma | too bad i cant target the person who emotes me in lua |
| 18:44.06 | alestane | I think you can emote back at them but you an't actually target them., |
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| 18:45.31 | mikma | well i can emote, but cant target-emote |
| 18:45.43 | alestane | Doesn't the emote command take a name? |
| 18:45.45 | mikma | so its a global reply ooc =) |
| 18:46.10 | mikma | DoEmote("dance") |
| 18:46.24 | ScytheBlade1 | yup, it does |
| 18:46.42 | mikma | huh? |
| 18:47.18 | alestane | DoEmote("dance", "ThatGuy") |
| 18:48.11 | mikma | sweet |
| 18:50.47 | mikma | you know whats cool? |
| 18:51.07 | mikma | wehn cats are all purr and stuff, their tongue is bigger than the mouth |
| 18:51.34 | mikma | this kitty is always showing her tongue haha |
| 18:52.46 | Tem|work | hmm |
| 18:52.54 | Tem|work | has anyone heard about a change to the Gotta Go achievement? |
| 18:53.13 | Lopeppeppy | Pee pee? |
| 18:53.18 | Tem|work | I can't find anything to say what it is |
| 18:53.29 | Tem|work | but there's this post saying the change is in and the tooltip is wrong |
| 18:53.38 | alestane | Grimesilt Outhouse Key is no longer required? |
| 18:53.38 | Tem|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13833015022&sid=1 |
| 18:53.41 | zenzelezz | Tem: I heard something about them looking into making it easier |
| 18:53.44 | mikma | meh, not the kitty drooled on me |
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| 18:54.07 | mikma | tem|work: hi! welcome back |
| 18:57.26 | Tem|work | lulz I hit the X on my mibbit tag |
| 18:57.26 | mikma | rofl i just noticed i have forgotten how to use tables |
| 18:57.27 | Tem|work | tab |
| 18:57.46 | Tem|work | mmmm it's lunch time imo |
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| 19:18.32 | Shirik | You know |
| 19:18.39 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 19:18.43 | Shirik | I just spent 10 minutes viewing the PTR forums |
| 19:19.03 | Shirik | And I'm trying to figure this out here. It seems like everyone on the forums is crying about how things aren't working and going "wtf why isn't this working, you suck" |
| 19:19.16 | Shirik | Do they really expect that there won't be bugs, or are they just being overdramatic? |
| 19:19.30 | Shirik | Like... it's called a TEST realm for a reason |
| 19:19.45 | alestane | Most of them are not testers, programmers or software developers and have no real understanding of the process. |
| 19:19.57 | Seerah | it's like that for every PTR |
| 19:20.08 | Shirik | But even if you're not, you should at least have the understanding that if it's called a "test" realm, it would be for "test"ing |
| 19:20.25 | Shirik | I mean, it might be just me but it seems pretty obvious :/ |
| 19:20.28 | Seerah | you're assuming that everyone is as smart and level-headed as you ;) |
| 19:20.52 | krka | i shudder at the thought of people who are less smart and level-headed than Shirik :( |
| 19:20.53 | alestane | When actually, most of them are powered by self-entitlement. |
| 19:21.00 | Shirik | krka :( |
| 19:21.17 | Seerah | krka's standards are high :P |
| 19:21.54 | Shirik | krka likes java |
| 19:22.09 | Lopeppeppy | QQ is fun! |
| 19:22.13 | krka | i never said my standards were high! |
| 19:22.13 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, well, I imagine it's possible that they're expecting it's a patch that is slated for release |
| 19:22.21 | ZorbaTHut | and having things failing to work on a release patch is a bad thing |
| 19:24.41 | Lopeppeppy | People are just frellin' sheep, darlin'. |
| 19:24.43 | nevcairiel | I just stopped taking anything on those forums seriously. Most people have no understanding for any of the processes involed, and most think Blizzard is just out to insult them personally by nerfing their class or introducing bugs that affect them, anyway |
| 19:25.27 | nevcairiel | And even worse, 99% of the people crying about anything have no idea what they are crying about :P |
| 19:25.50 | Seerah | they just want to QQ and get attention |
| 19:26.53 | nevcairiel | they should send tigole on a moderation spree again like on the beta forums |
| 19:26.54 | nevcairiel | that was fun |
| 19:27.07 | Shirik | afk mcdonalds |
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| 19:32.45 | ZorbaTHut | there's a guy in another MMORPG I play named "Sheeple". |
| 19:32.45 | Fisker- | sheeples can't say no |
| 19:32.54 | ZorbaTHut | he is actually less fun to talk to than he sounds. |
| 19:33.21 | Fisker- | what about me? :) |
| 19:33.36 | Lopeppeppy | Especially you, Fisker, that last one was worse than most of yours. |
| 19:34.10 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 19:36.24 | Kraps | wow the problem carries over from my tank to my priest: i stack everything else at the expense of stam |
| 19:36.44 | nevcairiel | its not that bad on a priest, though =P |
| 19:38.01 | Kraps | on thank i have 535 def with just under 20k stam |
| 19:38.07 | Kraps | *tank |
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| 19:38.19 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: not that bad until you're 1-shot on loken because you're too slow :p |
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| 19:39.49 | Kraps | RAF is awesome btw |
| 19:41.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Royal Air Force? I agree, i'm a fan |
| 19:41.31 | Lopeppeppy | 2 more works, I can get through this! |
| 19:42.40 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: /facepalm |
| 19:43.02 | Kraps | the IAF used to kick ass more |
| 19:43.25 | Kraps | now the whole contry is wudded out |
| 19:43.38 | Kraps | *wussed |
| 19:43.43 | alestane | If I want the WoWI SVN to be able to create a release from my repository, how should I organize it? |
| 19:46.38 | NightHawkTheSane | wooo, look at all those suspended bus routes: http://metro.kingcounty.gov/up/rr/adverseweather.html |
| 19:48.49 | Corr-work | weather emergency, eh? where is this? |
| 19:49.18 | Corr-work | (i don't recognize where "king county" is) |
| 19:49.30 | NightHawkTheSane | well, there's weather issues in the entire northern half of the US currently |
| 19:49.39 | NightHawkTheSane | but that specifically is the seattle area |
| 19:50.25 | Corr-work | ah, i read about that on thinkin' lincoln |
| 19:50.39 | Corr-work | the author says they're not used to a lot of snow up there |
| 19:51.01 | NightHawkTheSane | its not common in the city proper, no |
| 19:51.03 | Corr-work | the entry is titled, "snowpocalypse" |
| 19:51.21 | alestane | Cairenn, Shirik, Dolby, Seerah, anyone who knows: How is the WoWI .zip packager going to interpret my repository when I ask it to make a distribution? |
| 19:51.51 | Seerah | you mean when you push a zip to release it? |
| 19:51.57 | alestane | Yes. |
| 19:52.13 | alestane | Is it going to use a particular folder, etc? |
| 19:52.15 | Seerah | for me, it takes what's in Trunk and pushes that to the download page |
| 19:52.46 | Seerah | I have trunk/<my mod's folder>/files |
| 19:52.58 | Seerah | I believe there's a way to alter that behavior, though, with your svn-props |
| 19:53.07 | alestane | Oh yay, properties. |
| 19:53.41 | Seerah | but I haven't messed with those |
| 19:53.50 | Seerah | when pushing a file, you can mark it as release or beta |
| 19:54.08 | alestane | But they should be nested in the folder the user will put in their AddOns directory. |
| 19:54.09 | Seerah | if you say beta, it goes to a separate "beta" tab on the download page, and is not linked to the main "download" button |
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| 19:54.37 | alestane | i.e., the contents of /trunk will go into the .zip file. |
| 19:54.43 | Seerah | it lets you download and double-check everything, though, before pushing it live |
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| 19:55.10 | Seerah | here alestane: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/faq.php?faq=svn#faq_release |
| 19:55.35 | Seerah | at the bottom of that section is the wowi:dirname propset instructions |
| 19:55.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: "snopocalypse" is a bit of hyperbole, but it's certainly more snow than we're used to |
| 19:56.09 | alestane | I see. I read that but missed the bottom. |
| 19:56.32 | NightHawkTheSane | it hasn't actually caused me any problems except for flight cancellations.. |
| 19:56.35 | Seerah | yeah, I think it was added later, so it's easy to miss... |
| 19:57.14 | Seerah | NHTS: we're flying up to MI on Wed. I'm glad all the snow storms are hitting before our flight |
| 19:57.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Seerah: yeah, it looks like things "ought" to calm down by then. good luck, though. :) |
| 19:58.54 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah... there's supposed to be storms on Xmas eve, at least out in New York. You **sure** things will be clear for you? |
| 19:58.57 | Seerah | that storm will have passed over MI/Detroit earlier in the day |
| 19:59.05 | Lopeppeppy | Good! *hugs* |
| 19:59.08 | Seerah | we're not flying until afternoon/evening |
| 19:59.23 | Lopeppeppy | I'm gonna be rippin' if it cancels my holiday plans with freezing rain again. |
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| 20:03.32 | Lyn | i want to put an border around the target castbar icon.. but everytime i try to create an overlay texture ... it say nil value oO |
| 20:04.15 | Kaso | show code, show errors |
| 20:05.57 | NightHawkTheSane | WOO! Reigns of the White Polar Bear are mine! |
| 20:06.25 | Lyn | http://pastey.net/104881 kaso |
| 20:06.52 | Lyn | some lines below where i create a border for the bar itself, it works ... oO |
| 20:09.50 | foxlit | You're calling CreateTexture on an Icon |
| 20:09.54 | foxlit | You shouldn't be. |
| 20:10.17 | Lyn | ah |
| 20:10.19 | Lyn | okay |
| 20:10.23 | Lyn | -.- |
| 20:10.27 | Lyn | forgot that |
| 20:17.36 | NightHawkTheSane | http://thisisindexed.com/2008/12/what-are-you-doing-today/ |
| 20:18.07 | Fisker- | i don't get it :E |
| 20:18.44 | Lopeppeppy | It's a jab at all of us working our assess of and not really having either free time or money to enjoy our lives. Hoping that when we retire, we'll have both. |
| 20:19.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: a jab, yes, but certainly the truth |
| 20:19.07 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah it is. |
| 20:19.42 | NightHawkTheSane | it's also 90% of what's wrong with modern society, but i digress. |
| 20:19.56 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh, nod* |
| 20:20.04 | Fisker- | i hate the ads |
| 20:20.09 | Fisker- | diediedie |
| 20:20.36 | NightHawkTheSane | i read the rss.. |
| 20:21.04 | foxlit | The new Skeleton Keys are interesting |
| 20:21.11 | foxlit | It's a pity they don't get to unlock much. |
| 20:21.17 | Fisker- | was talking about the wow forums :P |
| 20:21.20 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: define 'interesting'? |
| 20:21.22 | alestane | They change them, or add new ones? |
| 20:21.36 | foxlit | You now craft obscene amounts of them for small material costs |
| 20:21.39 | Lopeppeppy | Just that they have them. |
| 20:21.41 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: there are new ones, yes, cobolt & titanium i think |
| 20:21.47 | foxlit | 'new' being the ones introduced in Wrath. |
| 20:21.54 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: better than the reverse (ie arcanite) |
| 20:22.02 | foxlit | Indeed. |
| 20:22.15 | foxlit | But I can't honestly remember the last time I thought "gah, wish I could open this stupid box" |
| 20:22.32 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I feel like if I crafted a stack of them, I *might* go through it by the next expansion |
| 20:22.33 | Lunessa | Hah... I open doors with them. |
| 20:22.43 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, and with the removal of chests i instances.. their uses are.. very limited |
| 20:22.44 | foxlit | which doors? |
| 20:22.46 | NightHawkTheSane | in* |
| 20:22.51 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: DM north! |
| 20:22.56 | foxlit | ah. |
| 20:23.04 | foxlit | Never considered doing DM east for the proper key? |
| 20:23.14 | NightHawkTheSane | no, i mean DM north for a tribute run |
| 20:23.25 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a door in there you need a rogue/BS/Engy to open |
| 20:23.37 | Lunessa | I use them a lot when helping my brother do level-70 content. |
| 20:23.37 | Lopeppeppy | I believe the key will open it too. |
| 20:23.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: well, but you have to kill a guard to get the "proper" key, which defeats the purpose of a tribute run |
| 20:24.02 | Codayus | Actually, no. It uses a one use key that drops from mobs you don't want to kill for a tribute run. |
| 20:25.12 | foxlit | Eh. There's an achievement for winning Wintergrasp while under the effects of Tenacity |
| 20:25.14 | foxlit | Slap in the face! |
| 20:25.49 | nevcairiel | unpossible to ever get for me |
| 20:26.21 | foxlit | If anything, needs to be the other way around :) |
| 20:26.46 | foxlit | Win Winergrasp while outnumbering the opposing faction five to one. |
| 20:26.51 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:27.02 | NightHawkTheSane | feh, they already did that for AV |
| 20:27.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Frostwolf/Stormpike Perfection |
| 20:27.58 | nevcairiel | I actually got that last week again like 12 horde! |
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| 20:28.12 | NightHawkTheSane | same, except against like 12 alliance ;) |
| 20:28.13 | nevcairiel | against* |
| 20:28.45 | NightHawkTheSane | amusingly in the same game as i finished up the winter veil pvp achievement, running around as a gimped feral druid out of form |
| 20:29.02 | NightHawkTheSane | yay for hiding behind objects spamming FF/Lifebloom |
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| 20:29.57 | foxlit | Do SotA |
| 20:30.16 | Lopeppeppy | DotA? |
| 20:30.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i actually tried that, i barely got any kills |
| 20:30.37 | NightHawkTheSane | which may have been because that was also the first time i did it and really wasn't sure what i should have been doing |
| 20:30.40 | foxlit | Jump into vehicle -> moonfire & lifebloom |
| 20:31.07 | NightHawkTheSane | alternately, it could be because horde just sucked when i did it, be cause that's what i did, and it didn't quite work :p |
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| 20:31.39 | Codayus | SotA for the Winter Veil achievment seems much easier for horde... |
| 20:32.22 | foxlit | dunno why |
| 20:32.33 | foxlit | Unless you keep dying on storming the beach? |
| 20:32.41 | NightHawkTheSane | perhaps because horde defends first, so it might be easier to not die? *shrug* |
| 20:32.45 | Codayus | Yep. Too hard to live for long. |
| 20:32.53 | foxlit | l2live :) |
| 20:33.25 | foxlit | hardest Winter Veil achievement: Ogri'la |
| 20:33.28 | Codayus | Unless horde is being really retarded, the start of SotA is a mass zerg for the beach. And I'm a squishy healer type... |
| 20:33.52 | foxlit | Heal from inside non-squishy vehicles |
| 20:34.04 | Pneumatus | its easier for horde in sota because they defend first :P |
| 20:34.28 | ZorbaTHut | I wish they'd randomize attack/defend order |
| 20:34.37 | foxlit | I... don't care :) |
| 20:34.39 | Pneumatus | it was random before, but it was broken random |
| 20:34.39 | Codayus | foxlit: That's an entirely useless suggestion. |
| 20:35.23 | Codayus | I tried a few BGs, the only one that worked for me (as a healer) was dragging a prot warrior to AB. We camped on a flag, and got about 40 kills. I died once at the end, the warrior never did. Funny. |
| 20:35.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Warrior + healbot = roflstomp |
| 20:35.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: there was a blue post about that recently.. |
| 20:36.08 | NightHawkTheSane | they said they tried a random order but it had some issues.. i have no idea -what- issues but *shrug* |
| 20:36.17 | ZorbaTHut | huh, curious. |
| 20:36.20 | foxlit | Is there any melee class that doesn't benefit from having a dedicated healer? |
| 20:36.23 | ZorbaTHut | wonder if they'll re-randomize it later |
| 20:36.41 | Lopeppeppy | re-randomize... |
| 20:36.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i was mentioned that if they saw it becoming a problem, they'd go back.. *shrug* |
| 20:37.01 | NightHawkTheSane | let me see if i can find it |
| 20:37.20 | NightHawkTheSane | of course, mmo-champ decides to go down |
| 20:38.37 | Codayus | foxlit: None. But I think tanks benefit most in pvp if your fighting disorganizd pugs. They can't seem to believe that they can't just burst the tank down... |
| 20:40.20 | alestane | Well, gotta go get ready to be spouse at office party. |
| 20:40.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html;jsessionid=40820B91F5F0E879AEC0246D1DED70AC.app06_03?topicId=7313171542&pageNo=4&sid=1#68 |
| 20:41.14 | ZorbaTHut | odd, I wonder what the issues were |
| 20:41.40 | NightHawkTheSane | same, but the chances of us finding out are slim ;) |
| 20:43.00 | Pneumatus | the answer is simple |
| 20:43.14 | Pneumatus | the devs play horde, so they made it so they win all the time :> |
| 20:44.00 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. that's exactly it. you should probably reroll now before they just go ahead and eliminate the alliance faction altogether |
| 20:46.43 | Pneumatus | they'd never do that... they wouldnt have anyone to make fun of |
| 20:46.51 | Pneumatus | oh wait, they have blood elves |
| 20:47.57 | NightHawkTheSane | see? |
| 20:48.17 | NightHawkTheSane | im telling you, reroll now before you just look like a poser wannabe :P |
| 20:48.21 | NightHawkTheSane | wait.. too late for that.. |
| 20:48.42 | Pneumatus | im sure it wont be long until they introduce paid race changes |
| 20:49.30 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, i'll bet you any amount of money that faction changes (paid or otherwise) are either never coming, or no less than 2-3 years off. |
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| 20:50.48 | Arrowmaster | i think they didnt do paid race changes because of the problems it would cause from race specific quests |
| 20:51.17 | NightHawkTheSane | are there race specific quests, aside from the belf newbie ones? |
| 20:51.31 | foxlit | plus the obvious fact that race actually affects your gameplay |
| 20:51.33 | foxlit | looks do not. |
| 20:51.35 | Arrowmaster | just about all the horde starting zones are |
| 20:51.49 | Shirik | looks totally affect my gameplay |
| 20:52.03 | Shirik | I would not be as convinced to log on if my elf was not a hot chick |
| 20:52.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: ... er.. they are? >.> |
| 20:52.41 | Lopeppeppy | Oh Shirik. *laugh* |
| 20:53.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: as far as i know, only the level 1-5 Belf quests are restricted to Belfs only. Every other newbie area is available to anyone of the faction.. |
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| 20:58.14 | Tekkub | anyone know if there's an easy way to trigger the "go to top" behavior Frame:SetToplevel(true) does on click, but from code |
| 20:58.25 | Tekkub | say, in an OnShow I'd like to push my frame to the top |
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| 21:00.22 | Tekkub | it doesn't appear to set an onclick handler, so I don't know where to find the code.. it's probably in C-land |
| 21:00.28 | Nizomi | hi |
| 21:00.36 | Nizomi | any good up2date tutorials about addon creation? |
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| 21:01.33 | Lunessa | ~wowprogramming |
| 21:01.34 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 21:01.42 | Olorin | Nizomi, try http://home.blarg.net/~tyroney/wow/uitutorial/ |
| 21:02.03 | Olorin | I found it handy but not if you havnt done some form of programming before perhaps |
| 21:03.03 | Nizomi | a little more lua would be nice XD |
| 21:04.15 | Olorin | well that and perhaps looking at a basic addon on wowinterface perhaps? |
| 21:04.25 | |Jelly| | What's the command to dismount from a siege vehicle? |
| 21:05.06 | Nizomi | well I could use the blizzard interface thingies before but when I tried it now I found that they are encrypted :x |
| 21:08.35 | Olorin | you can download them from one of the websites that offerest the code unencrypted for developers to compare changes of their code between patches but i cant think what the url is, ill have a look |
| 21:08.48 | jnwhiteh | They are not encrypted in the least |
| 21:09.10 | Olorin | http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 21:09.11 | jnwhiteh | Run the addon extraction kit, and look at the files |
| 21:09.13 | jnwhiteh | ~framexml |
| 21:09.14 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 21:09.14 | Tem|work | giggle |
| 21:11.35 | Nizomi | k ty |
| 21:11.39 | Olorin | just for the record I didnt mean unencrypted lol meant uncompressed |
| 21:13.00 | Lopeppeppy | 7-Zip is your friend for compressed files. |
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| 21:18.25 | Lunessa | 7-zip is the bomb. |
| 21:18.34 | Nizomi | hm |
| 21:18.41 | Corr-work | don't stand too close |
| 21:18.42 | Nizomi | can i just put <scripts><onload>... |
| 21:18.51 | Nizomi | or do i have to put it into a button/frame/whatever |
| 21:20.18 | Lopeppeppy | Depends exactly what you're trying to do. |
| 21:20.40 | Nizomi | calling a function when the addon loaded/loads |
| 21:21.31 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> someone needs to write a real spiffy & neat looking HUD that ties into TomTom's waypoint/crazy arrows and GetUnitPitch to give you bearing & attitude and looks all shiney |
| 21:21.48 | Lopeppeppy | I've seen a hud like that, NHTS |
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| 21:21.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: orly? >.> |
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| 21:22.18 | Tem|work | Do we have all the info we need for getting the exact direction the camera is facing? |
| 21:22.43 | Tem|work | if we do... wtb a setting for tomtom to use camera instead of player facing |
| 21:22.51 | Nizomi | well basically i want an addon that looks for stuff in saved variables (sorted by playername) and if it finds stuff there it updates the players guild notice with that stuff |
| 21:23.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|work: no idea, i'd bet unlikely, but if so, /agree |
| 21:23.11 | Tem|work | NHTS, afaik, altitude remains impossible |
| 21:23.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|work: i know, i didn't say altitude. ;) |
| 21:23.35 | Tem|work | oh my bad |
| 21:23.47 | Tem|work | i kan reed gud |
| 21:23.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ~pat Tem|work |
| 21:23.58 | purl | ACTION pats Tem|work and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 21:25.04 | Nizomi | so how do i start such an addon? xD |
| 21:25.19 | Nizomi | like how do i get a function thats called on beginning and how do i register slash cmds for it |
| 21:25.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: .... are you going to say WHERE you've seen it, or are you just going to torture me? :P |
| 21:26.23 | Lopeppeppy | Mrph. Um. |
| 21:26.36 | Lopeppeppy | It was related to that spiffy minimap addon that Jelly loves. |
| 21:26.43 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly? What's that nice minimap thingie? |
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| 21:28.44 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN... NHTS, keep nagging them about what the spiffy new minimap addon is, which is not Chinchilla, and it's related to that. |
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| 21:29.02 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: ping? |
| 21:29.07 | |Jelly| | ? |
| 21:29.13 | NightHawkTheSane | read up? :) |
| 21:30.07 | |Jelly| | busy. what's up? |
| 21:30.29 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> you seriously can't read up like 6 lines? |
| 21:31.15 | NightHawkTheSane | peppy said there was some spiffy minimap addon thing, that had something related to a flight hud? >.> |
| 21:31.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm hoping she didn't just mean the HUDMap thing in sexymap.. |
| 21:32.58 | |Jelly| | no clue what she's talking about |
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| 21:39.08 | Shirik | wow, this guy is good o.o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xswqQLbDKu8&feature=related |
| 21:39.22 | Shirik | I wish I could play piano like that :( I only play cello |
| 21:41.18 | NightHawkTheSane | people who can play piano well always amaze me.. that's some serious manual dexterity |
| 21:41.34 | Olorin | Shirik you know umpteen programming lanugages, now you wanna be able to play half an orchestra too? |
| 21:41.44 | Shirik | Well I've played cello for 10 years :( |
| 21:41.52 | Shirik | But I always wanted to know how to play a piano |
| 21:41.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Olorin: is there something wrong with lofty goals? |
| 21:42.30 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, so learn, it's not that hard. if i can play i am sure you can |
| 21:42.55 | Thunder_Child | though i would like to do violin |
| 21:43.09 | Nizomi | hm |
| 21:43.23 | Nizomi | seems like that EditingUI thingy doesn't use any slashcmds |
| 21:43.30 | Olorin | not at all NightHawkTheSane, just I guess im a pessimist lol |
| 21:44.02 | NightHawkTheSane | well, so am i, but i certainly can't fault people for wanting to be better :) |
| 21:44.11 | pastamancer | piano's not that bad... it's all muscle memory once you learn a song |
| 21:44.30 | Thunder_Child | pastamancer, many instruments are |
| 21:44.35 | pastamancer | it's like... not having to think about your password when you type it |
| 21:45.15 | pastamancer | TC: agreed |
| 21:45.20 | Thunder_Child | i used to play trombone, if you can do that with your eyes shut you can do most |
| 21:45.48 | Nizomi | so is there any way to only use a lua and no xml? |
| 21:45.52 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:45.54 | pastamancer | did french horn and bassoon for a bit, but never any strings |
| 21:45.56 | Shirik | I never use xml |
| 21:46.14 | zenzelezz | though I'm no musician, I somehow picture playing the piano as touch-typing a very wide keyboard |
| 21:46.41 | pastamancer | there's only 88 keys compared to the 104 on your keyboard! |
| 21:46.43 | Thunder_Child | close enough zenzelezz |
| 21:47.40 | Shirik | yeah pastamancer, must be easier! |
| 21:47.46 | Shirik | except in music there's no backspace |
| 21:47.50 | Nizomi | Shirik: and how? ^^ |
| 21:47.59 | Shirik | Nizomi: Don't use an XML file? |
| 21:48.00 | zenzelezz | on a similar note (omg pun!), pianos fascinate me... many times they can sound really dull and boring, but they can also impress/affect me more than many instruments |
| 21:48.43 | Nizomi | Shirik: yeah but how do i get an onload function then |
| 21:48.53 | Shirik | However, everyone loves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU_QR_FTt3E |
| 21:49.01 | Olorin | Nizomi have a look at http://wowuidev.pastey.net/104892 just a very basic ( cause Ive only been doing addon's a couple of weeks) its just lua |
| 21:49.03 | zenzelezz | Nizomi: you don't... and why would you need one? It would fire right after the CreateFrame |
| 21:49.06 | Shirik | Nizomi: OnLoad has no meaning in Lua |
| 21:49.08 | zenzelezz | so just call it yourself |
| 21:49.09 | Shirik | just write it in Lua |
| 21:49.26 | Nizomi | for setting up stuff like slashcmd |
| 21:49.36 | zenzelezz | Nizomi: did you just ignore what we said? |
| 21:49.48 | Nizomi | i just answered your first question :p |
| 21:49.50 | zenzelezz | you call CreateFrame, and then follow that with a call to your "OnLoad" function |
| 21:50.12 | Nizomi | yeah |
| 21:50.26 | Nizomi | a frame is? xD |
| 21:50.42 | foxlit | # TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH! |
| 21:50.47 | Nizomi | so its just like |
| 21:50.49 | Nizomi | OnLoad(); |
| 21:50.52 | Nizomi | function onLoad(){} |
| 21:50.53 | Nizomi | ? |
| 21:51.05 | zenzelezz | you could call it UncleSamsCabin() if you wanted to |
| 21:51.09 | Shirik | you don't even need to have a function |
| 21:51.14 | Shirik | you can just write it straight in the file |
| 21:51.20 | Olorin | Nizomi if you had looked at the tutorial site i sent you earlier which shows xml vs lua only you would find a few answers |
| 21:51.33 | Nizomi | ehr |
| 21:51.39 | Nizomi | the lua and xml version thingies were empty |
| 21:52.24 | Olorin | only the last two, but theirs 8 or so examples before that. |
| 21:52.32 | Nizomi | oh lol |
| 21:52.39 | Nizomi | theres a big scrollbar |
| 21:52.40 | Nizomi | xD |
| 21:53.24 | Nizomi | well i guess i can skip the createframe stuff when I don't want any ui elements |
| 21:53.50 | foxlit | I wonder why there's no upcoming 3.1 changes thread |
| 21:54.10 | zenzelezz | are there going to be many? |
| 21:54.28 | NightHawkTheSane | because iriel's been lazy? >.> |
| 21:54.38 | NightHawkTheSane | or busy |
| 21:54.41 | foxlit | Depending on whether the meh companion implementation is going to get fixed, really :) |
| 21:55.08 | Olorin | Nizomi, unlikely, empty frames are used for registering for an event and setting a corresponing script |
| 21:55.14 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: if dual spec actually makes it into 3.1, i'm going to guess there'll be significant UI changes, although we likely wouldn't know yet.. |
| 21:55.34 | Olorin | empty, meaning non visible |
| 22:03.18 | Nizomi | hmm |
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| 22:05.29 | Lunessa | Wooo! Boss gave me the WoW "Year of Fear" desk calendar. |
| 22:05.35 | Shirik | hehe |
| 22:06.27 | Nizomi | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/104895 whats wrong with this? ^^ |
| 22:06.35 | jnwhiteh | Tem|work: as far as I am aware we cannot get the camera facing in any way |
| 22:06.43 | Corr-work | Nizomi: does it work? |
| 22:06.43 | foxlit | you call a function before you declare it |
| 22:06.58 | Nizomi | hm |
| 22:07.06 | Corr-work | if it doesn't work, well, that's a problem. |
| 22:07.23 | foxlit | Also, PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD is not a variable. |
| 22:07.35 | Corr-work | it isn't? |
| 22:07.36 | Shirik | well, it can be ^_^ |
| 22:07.47 | foxlit | shush, you :) |
| 22:07.50 | Shirik | :P |
| 22:08.15 | Lunessa | Don't stop him, he's on a roll. |
| 22:08.20 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom's a variable |
| 22:08.24 | Nizomi | dunno trying to find a way to do funtion prototypes in lua |
| 22:08.37 | Shirik | huh? |
| 22:08.40 | foxlit | You can't. |
| 22:08.43 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, if this were perl, i could say my $mom's a variable.. |
| 22:08.44 | foxlit | And there's no need to. |
| 22:08.48 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> *flee* |
| 22:08.50 | foxlit | Scoping doesn't work in that fashion. |
| 22:08.56 | Shirik | I think Nizomi needs to read PIL |
| 22:10.07 | Nizomi | pil? |
| 22:10.22 | Shirik | ~pil |
| 22:10.23 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 22:10.49 | Nizomi | foxlit: dunno I'm used to either have it work by itself so i can just call a function before declaring it or using prototypes to tell it theres this function and do the code later on |
| 22:12.23 | nobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.23 | nobin | | | / ____| | | |
| 22:12.23 | nobin | | | _ _ __ _ | (___ _ _ ___| | _____ |
| 22:12.24 | nobin | | | | | | |/ _` | \___ \| | | |/ __| |/ / __| |
| 22:12.24 | nobin | | |___| |_| | (_| | ____) | |_| | (__| <\__ \ |
| 22:12.24 | nobin | |______\__,_|\__,_| |_____/ \__,_|\___|_|\_\___/ |
| 22:12.45 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-o+b nobin *!*@220-134.suscom-maine.net] by Shirik |
| 22:12.45 | *** kick/#wowuidev [nobin!n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (bye) |
| 22:12.46 | Thunder_Child | spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam |
| 22:12.46 | foxlit | Needs more practice. |
| 22:13.03 | Corr-work | at least he didn't put Lua in all caps |
| 22:13.03 | Nizomi | meh then i'll just use the ugly way |
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| 22:13.22 | Arrowmaster | what did that say? |
| 22:13.32 | Arrowmaster | oh wait i think i can tell now |
| 22:13.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: haha, indeed. :D |
| 22:13.57 | Shirik | I can't tell at all |
| 22:14.07 | NightHawkTheSane | "Lua Sucks" |
| 22:14.32 | Nizomi | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/104897 and this? |
| 22:14.39 | Patrick_P | hi, any one around is using MSVisualStudioExpress for XML edition? |
| 22:14.48 | zenzelezz | nobin probably meant LuaSocks |
| 22:15.11 | Shirik | I actually know the guy |
| 22:15.32 | foxlit | mm,socks! |
| 22:15.34 | Nizomi | also everytime i do /console reloadui an error pops up: Interface\FrameXML\UIDropDownMenu.lua:834: attempt to index local 'frame' (a nil value) |
| 22:15.53 | Nizomi | any ideas? |
| 22:16.03 | Patrick_P | I'm trying to work with schema.. but the program is underlining everything i wite like if it was an error... |
| 22:16.05 | foxlit | Rename your Interface and WTF folders and try again |
| 22:16.05 | Arrowmaster | are you doing any dropdowns in your code? |
| 22:16.40 | Nizomi | nope |
| 22:16.46 | Nizomi | it was before i started that addon too |
| 22:16.47 | Nizomi | :p |
| 22:17.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: you do? |
| 22:17.10 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:17.13 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: i want lua socks.. |
| 22:17.15 | Patrick_P | like the ..\FrameXML\UI.xsd"> part of the ui tag... it's underlined... and Button in my buttons tags... is it normal? |
| 22:17.18 | Arrowmaster | one of your addons hasnt been updated for 3.0, you shouldnt be using addons you dont know have been updated for 3.0 |
| 22:17.39 | Nizomi | probably that routes thingy |
| 22:17.48 | Nizomi | but theres not alternate thingy, so i'll just keep using it ^.^ |
| 22:17.50 | Arrowmaster | routes has been updated |
| 22:17.58 | Nizomi | hrm |
| 22:18.32 | Nizomi | ah |
| 22:18.38 | Nizomi | winded probably then |
| 22:20.20 | Nizomi | ah yes winded ^^ |
| 22:20.49 | Nizomi | anyone know if blasc was updated? |
| 22:23.21 | Gnarfoz | ~seen xus |
| 22:23.22 | purl | i haven't seen 'xus', Gnarfoz |
| 22:23.25 | Gnarfoz | fail |
| 22:24.00 | Nizomi | now i broke spartanui by updating bartender4 |
| 22:24.02 | Nizomi | ~.+ |
| 22:24.05 | Lunessa | FAIL should always be allcaps when used that way. |
| 22:24.38 | Lunessa | Example: Have you seen Lunessa's raiding schedule? FAIL! |
| 22:25.00 | Gnarfoz | ~fail Lunessa |
| 22:25.01 | purl | Lunessa: FAIL! |
| 22:25.12 | Lunessa | See.. That's how you do it. |
| 22:25.12 | Gnarfoz | ...for telling me how to use fail |
| 22:27.49 | foxlit | Interesting. Whenever I open the start menu, wow crawls to a slide-show |
| 22:28.17 | Corr-work | that should not be. |
| 22:28.25 | Nizomi | "update your addons" |
| 22:28.32 | Nizomi | yeah i just screwed up my whole ui by doing that <3 |
| 22:29.00 | foxlit | Use better addons <3 |
| 22:29.13 | Nizomi | now considerator errors (didn't before? and wasn't even updated) |
| 22:29.18 | Nizomi | and SUI is broken xD |
| 22:29.22 | Nizomi | atleast the bartender bars of it |
| 22:29.36 | foxlit | The same thing happens if I right click on desktop :/ |
| 22:30.17 | Nizomi | now lets see how do i fix this xD |
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| 22:33.44 | Nizomi | i dont get it |
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| 22:38.20 | Patrick_P | so... anyone can help me with xml validation in visual studio? |
| 22:39.35 | Nizomi | yay it says TestInit |
| 22:39.41 | Nizomi | now only to find out why the event doesnt work |
| 22:41.38 | Nizomi | now I need an example of slashcmds |
| 22:44.04 | Nizomi | ahh got it |
| 22:44.22 | Arrowmaster | Patrick_P: http://www.wowwiki.com/Setting_up_Visual_Studio_for_WoW_XML |
| 22:44.38 | Patrick_P | nice thx:) |
| 22:57.49 | Patrick_P | omg it work awesome... but i had to put my schema file(UI.xsd) into the AddOns\FrameXML\ will it get updated on the next wow patch or i must re-update it every times? |
| 22:57.53 | Patrick_P | and if it was not up to date could it screw up all the other addons or will wow just ignore this file? |
| 22:58.13 | Arrowmaster | wow will just ignore it |
| 22:58.36 | Patrick_P | k thx:) |
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| 23:13.55 | Nizomi | meh |
| 23:14.03 | Nizomi | i cant find the damn js function that handles page-turn for armory |
| 23:16.12 | Nizomi | ah there |
| 23:18.13 | Patrick_P | the toc ## Description tag as been changed to ## Notes? in the book they say it should display the description in the addon window... but it isn't... |
| 23:18.18 | Nizomi | so |
| 23:18.25 | Nizomi | whats a good way to extract information from armory? |
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| 23:19.56 | Nizomi | is there any xml version of the data? |
| 23:20.15 | Arrowmaster | its already xml |
| 23:20.23 | Robsato | The armory is xml |
| 23:21.01 | Nizomi | hm |
| 23:21.06 | Nizomi | it says xhtml :D |
| 23:21.17 | Nizomi | oh |
| 23:21.18 | Nizomi | xD |
| 23:21.20 | Shirik | ~wiki xhtml |
| 23:21.28 | Shirik | eh |
| 23:21.34 | Arrowmaster | its xml if you use a proper browser |
| 23:21.55 | foxlit | "proper" is meh. |
| 23:21.57 | Nizomi | so |
| 23:22.04 | Nizomi | i have to find a way to view it as xml :D |
| 23:22.04 | Shirik | "XHTML is an application of XML, a more restrictive subset of SGML. Because they need to be well-formed, true XHTML documents allow for automated processing to be performed using standard XML toolsunlike HTML, which requires a relatively complex, lenient, and generally custom parser. " |
| 23:22.05 | foxlit | It's xml if you use one of the browsers they whitelisted |
| 23:22.14 | linear` | does setpointing a secure frame to an unsecure frame make the unsecure frame secure, so like i can't show it in combat |
| 23:22.20 | Shirik | technically XHTML is XML |
| 23:22.35 | foxlit | linear`: yes. However, it's called "protected" not "secure". |
| 23:22.55 | Shirik | That being said, using Firefox I get as the doctype |
| 23:22.56 | Shirik | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="/layout/character-sheet.xsl"?> |
| 23:23.12 | linear` | =\ i thought it only happens if you parent it |
| 23:24.08 | Nizomi | ah k XD |
| 23:24.11 | Shirik | that being said |
| 23:24.12 | Shirik | BYES! |
| 23:24.19 | foxlit | OH NOES? |
| 23:25.48 | Nizomi | hm weird |
| 23:25.54 | Nizomi | with ff i get the xml view |
| 23:25.54 | Nizomi | :/ |
| 23:27.44 | Nizomi | however |
| 23:27.49 | Nizomi | xampp doesn't query the xml |
| 23:28.35 | Arrowmaster | because they didnt whitelist it, so you have to fake the useragent |
| 23:28.53 | Nizomi | meh |
| 23:29.16 | Nizomi | why the heck do they have to whitelist it :D |
| 23:29.20 | mikma | yey, essence of gossamer |
| 23:34.06 | linear` | if i anchor something to a protected frame does it become protected |
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| 23:34.52 | Nizomi | hm |
| 23:36.09 | linear` | it shouldnt right |
| 23:36.20 | linear` | otherwise how would buff/debuffs on unitframes hide/show in combat |
| 23:36.48 | Nizomi | so |
| 23:36.51 | Nizomi | whats wrong with user_agent="Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070725 Firefox/2.0.0.6" |
| 23:36.53 | Nizomi | :D |
| 23:37.14 | Arrowmaster | nothing afaik |
| 23:37.29 | Arrowmaster | it should give xml |
| 23:37.38 | Nizomi | doesn't :/ |
| 23:37.38 | mikma | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/december/temperedtitansteelhelm.jpg |
| 23:37.44 | NightHawkTheSane | evade bugging and wiping on cyanigosa sugs >< |
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| 23:38.21 | Nizomi | http://pastebin.com/m85fe91 |
| 23:39.56 | Nizomi | btw, does anybody know a way to see when your 10-day trial runs out? (for bc/wotlk expansions) |
| 23:40.32 | Arrowmaster | check account management |
| 23:40.56 | Nizomi | it only says that i have the 10 day trial |
| 23:41.02 | Nizomi | nothing about when i started it or when it ends |
| 23:41.07 | Arrowmaster | it should |
| 23:41.29 | Arrowmaster | check billing info or something |
| 23:41.38 | Nizomi | theres only the next abo and the free month |
| 23:41.47 | foxlit | sigh, they hotfixed a level requirement on top of Raise Dead |
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| 23:42.41 | Nizomi | so any ideas why it still denies to return xml |
| 23:43.25 | Arrowmaster | well what you pastebin'd doesnt attempt to forge the useragent |
| 23:45.28 | Nizomi | http://pastebin.com/m1f8e4258 |
| 23:45.33 | Nizomi | the php.ini should deal with that |
| 23:46.27 | Arrowmaster | i dont know then |
| 23:46.34 | Arrowmaster | i dont fuck with php |
| 23:46.48 | Nizomi | hmm |
| 23:49.20 | Nizomi | weird |
| 23:49.34 | Nizomi | when i output the user_agent in a php file(the one of the connecter) |
| 23:49.38 | Nizomi | and i connect to that it shows nothing |
| 23:49.45 | Nizomi | when i do it with browser it shows correct :D |
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| 23:55.56 | Nizomi | lol -_- |
| 23:56.01 | Nizomi | i edited the php.ini in /php |
| 23:56.09 | Nizomi | i have to edit the one in /apache/bin |
