| 00:00.35 | mikma | wobin: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Oe <- 495 :I |
| 00:00.36 | AbsoRayne | Yeah, but when I get my Essence of the Gossimir Trink from H AN (if ever) i might be under |
| 00:01.01 | Wobin | mikma: well -you're- not tanking, are you? |
| 00:01.08 | Wobin | mikma: PS 80! |
| 00:01.17 | Wobin | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&n=snuusnu |
| 00:01.28 | AbsoRayne | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil'jaeden&n=Absolutrayne just replace Heroes with Vidicator |
| 00:01.33 | AbsoRayne | for the chest |
| 00:01.34 | AbsoRayne | :B |
| 00:01.49 | mikma | wobin: i am actually, tanked two instances today, its fun fun |
| 00:02.15 | AbsoRayne | oh nm it updated already O_o teh hell |
| 00:02.29 | mikma | wobin: see the gear :O got shitloads of stuff crafted + won some good stuff in naxx |
| 00:02.49 | Wobin | jesus, you're 495 and tanking? |
| 00:03.02 | AbsoRayne | Wobin: I was kinda thinking the same thing :/ |
| 00:03.06 | Wobin | your healers must hate you =\ |
| 00:03.21 | AbsoRayne | I get pissy if im even one point under cap |
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| 00:04.37 | Wobin | absoRayne: go health, since you're currently capped |
| 00:04.45 | AbsoRayne | I need to get my OT / GM some gear |
| 00:04.50 | WhiteWolf | heh, first thing i did was get to 540 |
| 00:04.52 | Wobin | you can always replace with def once you get the trinket |
| 00:05.12 | Wobin | now that the enchants can be bought on the scroll, it's dead easy to change |
| 00:05.18 | AbsoRayne | blah, I need to take a shower, and go pick my wife up soon |
| 00:05.29 | Wobin | they cost about 140g on my server |
| 00:05.33 | |Jelly| | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Sheex I swear to god, he was uncritable. I don't know what the hell he's doing but it is funny (and fun) to be raiding with him as the "off tank" |
| 00:05.41 | AbsoRayne | But its -30c outside ;_; |
| 00:06.11 | |Jelly| | Rayne: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Lesli I R UNCRITABLE! <3 |
| 00:06.26 | NightHawkTheSane | i uncritted your mom |
| 00:06.35 | AbsoRayne | Ewwww you got that 81 Stam Engi trink |
| 00:06.38 | WhiteWolf | |Jelly|: a resil 50? pot would put him over |
| 00:06.38 | AbsoRayne | ewwwwwww |
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| 00:07.10 | |Jelly| | Rayne: Congrats on a 65 def trinket? |
| 00:07.26 | AbsoRayne | |Jelly|: Filler |
| 00:08.44 | Wobin | what's the Def rating to Defense conversion at 80? |
| 00:08.47 | Tekkub | hehe http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1813693/ |
| 00:08.51 | Tekkub | safe for prudes :P |
| 00:08.55 | |Jelly| | 1 Def = .203 DR |
| 00:09.06 | mikma | wobin: yeah, i had LESS today when i tanked :D |
| 00:09.15 | AbsoRayne | Wobin: ~5 Def = 1 Def Rating |
| 00:09.20 | mikma | wobin: now it's 495 and they still don't hate me |
| 00:09.26 | AbsoRayne | I think |
| 00:09.38 | AbsoRayne | Might be less |
| 00:09.39 | Wobin | ... other way around, surely? |
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| 00:09.47 | |Jelly| | [18:08]<|Jelly|>1 Def = .203 DR |
| 00:09.51 | Wobin | ta |
| 00:10.22 | AbsoRayne | brb |
| 00:10.47 | mikma | wobin: which one, proudmoore or frostmane? |
| 00:11.00 | Arrowmaster | ouch fuck my neck hurts |
| 00:11.20 | AbsoRayne | Its so nice having a Wife that loves WoW and loves Monty Python at the same time |
| 00:11.20 | |Jelly| | What'd you do to it? |
| 00:11.27 | AbsoRayne | Its like ive died and gone to heaven |
| 00:11.32 | Wobin | AbsoRayne: You scored =) |
| 00:11.38 | Tekkub | and heaven is full of sad little nerds |
| 00:11.39 | Wobin | mikma: what do you mean? |
| 00:11.42 | NightHawkTheSane | glyph of mangle is <3 |
| 00:12.09 | AbsoRayne | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&n=Nayri Sooooo many people try to harp on her because of those leggings |
| 00:12.11 | AbsoRayne | :/ |
| 00:12.47 | AbsoRayne | Need to get her some new Rings / Head |
| 00:12.55 | mikma | wobin: which one are you on? |
| 00:13.09 | Wobin | proudmoore |
| 00:13.24 | Wobin | not sure where you got frostmane from? |
| 00:13.27 | mikma | ok, because there's Snuusnu lvl78 tauren dk in frostmane :D |
| 00:13.34 | zenzelezz | AbsoRayne: I don't suppose the first time you tried something with her she quoted "None shall pass!"? |
| 00:13.38 | Wobin | I told you I hit 80! =) |
| 00:13.50 | AbsoRayne | zenzelezz: Naw. |
| 00:13.52 | AbsoRayne | Shes a nibbler |
| 00:13.54 | AbsoRayne | :O |
| 00:14.00 | Wobin | "The TEETH!" |
| 00:14.05 | Wobin | (possibly what Abso said =)) |
| 00:14.14 | AbsoRayne | :P |
| 00:14.27 | AbsoRayne | ok brb, srsly >_< |
| 00:14.29 | zenzelezz | "with sharp pointy teeth :F" |
| 00:15.10 | mikma | wobin: well... remove this from you and we have same def :D http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28042 |
| 00:16.55 | Tekkub | there an addon out there that shows your spell attack table, preferably vs a my_level+3 mob? |
| 00:17.08 | mikma | soon there will be |
| 00:17.10 | Tekkub | kinda like lowAvoidance |
| 00:17.49 | mikma | tekAvoidance -> how to avoid tekkub |
| 00:17.58 | Wobin | That trinket has lasted a ridiculously long time |
| 00:18.35 | zenzelezz | I finally ditched my Styleen's two weeks ago |
| 00:18.40 | Tekkub | mikma, you giev what you have so far? |
| 00:18.52 | mikma | tekkub: sure, here: nil |
| 00:18.57 | Tekkub | bah |
| 00:19.13 | AbsoRayne | back |
| 00:19.19 | mikma | but with indie you might have more luck, he's the type of /ignore -man |
| 00:19.57 | Wobin | mikma: Also, yes, removing it might give us the same def |
| 00:20.03 | AbsoRayne | I just realized... |
| 00:20.06 | Wobin | but the point is, -you- need to be capped =P |
| 00:20.09 | mikma | wobin: then see what the healers like you :P |
| 00:20.10 | AbsoRayne | My shield Block Valute is 1033 unbuffed |
| 00:20.11 | Wobin | not me nerfed =P |
| 00:20.12 | AbsoRayne | ... |
| 00:20.23 | foxlit | My shield block value is 0 |
| 00:20.25 | Wobin | I'm not even capped |
| 00:20.26 | AbsoRayne | Value* |
| 00:20.26 | foxlit | qqme :( |
| 00:20.33 | mikma | wobin: well let's see. i think i have that quest undone lolo |
| 00:20.43 | mikma | wobin: whats the cap? |
| 00:20.51 | Wobin | 540 |
| 00:21.03 | Wobin | for raidbosses |
| 00:21.19 | Wobin | next patch, glyphs and runes may help too |
| 00:21.31 | mikma | wobin: what about heroics |
| 00:21.35 | Wobin | 535 |
| 00:22.05 | Wobin | also |
| 00:22.13 | Wobin | you're confusing Defense rating and defense |
| 00:22.21 | Wobin | without that trinket, I'm at 521 |
| 00:22.37 | Wobin | I lose 5 def |
| 00:23.22 | mikma | so which one needs to be 540 |
| 00:23.27 | mikma | defense rating or defense |
| 00:23.52 | foxlit | glyphs, Wobin? |
| 00:24.16 | NightHawkTheSane | defense |
| 00:24.21 | foxlit | glyphs? |
| 00:24.31 | Wobin | we get a new DK glyph, no? |
| 00:24.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i was replying to mikma |
| 00:24.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: you mean sigil? |
| 00:24.44 | Wobin | as well? |
| 00:24.49 | Wobin | Maybe I'm being confused |
| 00:25.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Glyph is what you put in your spellbook page. Sigil is the DK relic, rune(forge) is the DK enchant. |
| 00:25.22 | Wobin | yeah |
| 00:25.31 | NightHawkTheSane | there are new runeforges and sigils with defense. |
| 00:25.33 | Wobin | Am I being confused that there will also be a new glyph? |
| 00:25.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't recall seeing any glyph that adds defense |
| 00:25.54 | Wobin | alas =) |
| 00:26.34 | mikma | afaik, only sigil and rune |
| 00:26.42 | zenzelezz | don't glyphs only affect spells/abilities, not stats? |
| 00:27.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 00:27.24 | Wobin | hm truedat |
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| 00:29.33 | Wobin | AbsoRayne: from my calculations, you'll lose 11 def if you remove that trinket |
| 00:29.43 | Wobin | but you're already 10 over the cap |
| 00:29.54 | Wobin | so the chest enchant will put you back over handily |
| 00:30.24 | Mike-N-Go | May an admin help me. I put http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11949-TradeSecretaryAdRepeater.html in the wrong category. May you move it to TradeSkill Mods please? |
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| 00:36.11 | mikma | wobin: and i'm missing the +def enchant from head :) will get near 540 |
| 00:36.29 | mikma | err, shoulders* |
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| 00:37.20 | mikma | lol. also i am missing def shoulders |
| 00:38.13 | Patrick_P | can any 1 tell me where i could find a consolidated and updated patch note for the ptr? i heard the one on the mainsite isn't updated... |
| 00:39.17 | Patrick_P | i'm wondering why they aren't updating it tho... it kinda fails... |
| 00:40.34 | zenzelezz | because they have better things to do than continually updating it |
| 00:40.39 | zenzelezz | they list the important parts |
| 00:40.45 | mikma | wobin: look, my wife remembered this: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30300 |
| 00:42.00 | Wobin | that's about 6 def |
| 00:42.35 | mikma | remind me, which one needs to be 540 :D |
| 00:42.54 | Wobin | defense |
| 00:43.17 | Wobin | I have 634 defense rating |
| 00:43.21 | Wobin | and I'm only 526 def |
| 00:43.30 | mikma | oki, and items bring defense rating. gotcha |
| 00:44.39 | zenzelezz | I remember when they went from raw stats to ratings |
| 00:44.47 | zenzelezz | people were quite paranoid at first |
| 00:45.53 | Patrick_P | so there's no consolidated patch notes available on the net? |
| 00:48.49 | Cide | zenzelezz: is it not obvious? |
| 00:51.27 | Tekkub | dude, if you're gonna make a porn... pop the huge fucking zit on your ass |
| 01:03.02 | Silentspy | epic |
| 01:04.02 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: people are idiots, though |
| 01:04.21 | ccox | sigh. When you look at your etrade account, they should automatically send you antacids and prozac |
| 01:05.09 | ccox | (hmm, that may only make sense to those of you old enough to own stock in a company) |
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| 01:19.11 | NightHawkTheSane | this is neat |
| 01:19.12 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.rolyn.co.uk/wub.htm |
| 01:20.24 | NightHawkTheSane | and this is not: >< UN votes 180-1 for a "right to food", the one against? the US: |
| 01:20.25 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2008/gashc3941.doc.htm |
| 01:20.27 | AnduinLothar | fun with javascript, score |
| 01:23.47 | AnduinLothar | "While the leaders of dozens of Third World countries showed up, the heads of state of 27 of the 29 developed countries that make up the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development apparently had more important things to do than address the chronic hunger that afflicts 800 million people worldwide." |
| 01:25.45 | Corrodias | maybe they figured it's not their job to fix it |
| 01:25.59 | AnduinLothar | well that's kinda the point |
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| 01:26.20 | foxlit | besides, no heads of state != no delegation |
| 01:26.36 | AnduinLothar | right, they all sent underlings |
| 01:27.11 | AnduinLothar | US delegation was lead by the Secretary of Agriculture |
| 01:27.25 | foxlit | That's mildly food-related, really. |
| 01:27.41 | AnduinLothar | seems like an apt apointment yes |
| 01:29.20 | foxlit | "Valid XHTML and CSS"; Result: 134 Errors, 53 warning(s) |
| 01:29.32 | AnduinLothar | nto surprising in the least |
| 01:29.35 | foxlit | And 19 css errors :/ |
| 01:29.51 | AnduinLothar | can't do cool things with validating code, it's just not feasable |
| 01:30.26 | AnduinLothar | it's even hard to get things to look good on all OS's if you use valid code |
| 01:30.42 | AnduinLothar | and don't even start on Accessability and hope to stay valid |
| 01:31.05 | AbsoRayne | hrm |
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| 01:32.09 | AnduinLothar | oh and i dunno about the rest of the world but the US's argument sounds fairly legitimate. |
| 01:32.14 | AnduinLothar | The United States believes ⦠that the issue of adequate food can only be viewed in the context of the right to a standard of living adequate for health and well-being as set forth in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [UDHR], which includes the opportunity to secure food, clothing, housing, medical care and necessary social services. Further, the United States believes that the attainment of the right to an adequate standard |
| 01:32.14 | AnduinLothar | Additionally, the United States understands the right of access to food to mean the opportunity to secure food and not a guaranteed entitlement. Concerning operative Paragraph 10 [in the final declaration], we are committed to concrete action to meet the objectives of the World Food Summit and are concerned that sterile debate over voluntary guidelines would distract attention from the real work of reducing poverty and hunger. |
| 01:32.21 | AnduinLothar | Sorry for the spam |
| 01:32.49 | Wobin | link? |
| 01:32.51 | AnduinLothar | did that get cut off or did my irc put it into different lines correctly? |
| 01:32.59 | AnduinLothar | http://www.mindfully.org/Food/Right-To-Food30jun02.htm |
| 01:33.01 | foxlit | "attainment of the right to an adequate standard..." |
| 01:33.08 | foxlit | "poverty and hunger." |
| 01:33.16 | AnduinLothar | ...attainment of the right to an adequate standard of living is a goal or aspiration to be realized progressively that does not give rise to any international obligation or any domestic legal entitlement and it does not diminish the responsibilities of national governments towards their citizens. |
| 01:34.18 | AnduinLothar | it's basically saying that no one is required to give you anything. You are only entitled to have the "opportunity to secure" basic rights |
| 01:35.16 | foxlit | The problem is that the word "right" is loaded :/ |
| 01:35.41 | AnduinLothar | i don't think that's really the problem here |
| 01:36.37 | foxlit | So they're having to do the whole "and when we say right, we mean none of the things it might imply otherwise" dance. |
| 01:38.10 | AnduinLothar | Well they're saying it's your responsibility to attain your own self betterment, which has long time been an American Ideal. It's like saying, here's food but you need to do some work to earn it, we wont just give it to you. |
| 01:39.39 | foxlit | Something about rights being inalienable and self-evident. |
| 01:40.21 | AnduinLothar | You are entitled to have a way to earn your necessities, but you are not entitled to live off of other people's work. |
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| 01:42.04 | foxlit | Even then, what threshold constitutes a "way" would probably require another two paragraphs of the same general crap. |
| 01:42.55 | AnduinLothar | as for your previous statement.... have an essay: http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-rights.htm |
| 01:46.19 | foxlit | I'm not sure what the point is, really. |
| 01:47.54 | AnduinLothar | it's in the summary |
| 01:48.05 | foxlit | Of the essay, sure. |
| 01:48.25 | AnduinLothar | point of what then? |
| 01:48.46 | foxlit | But its relevance to the discussion is merely tangential. |
| 01:49.22 | AnduinLothar | you said inalienable and self-evident. |
| 01:49.29 | foxlit | Yeah, and that is where things end. |
| 01:49.53 | AnduinLothar | if you believe certain rights to be inalienable and self-evident, then you have an argument |
| 01:50.01 | AnduinLothar | otherwise, not so much |
| 01:50.20 | Wobin | also |
| 01:50.21 | Wobin | "the heads of state of 27 of the 29 developed countries that make up the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development apparently had more important things to do than address the chronic hunger that afflicts 800 million people worldwide." |
| 01:50.24 | foxlit | What I meant to point out is that the word "right" is traditionally associated with those things, so a fair amount of language is required to say "We believe the right to food is not a right in the meaning you perceive it to be" |
| 01:50.27 | Wobin | is such a -terrible- statement |
| 01:50.46 | foxlit | The essay is also somewhat debatable. |
| 01:50.57 | Wobin | If it had more neutral language |
| 01:51.01 | Wobin | I'd probably take it more seriously |
| 01:51.07 | AnduinLothar | of course it is, I don't agree with it completely, but it makes osme good points |
| 01:51.08 | Wobin | but that's just childish |
| 01:51.28 | foxlit | "Rights cannot be inalienable, because governments frequently revoke rights." << And who cares. The inalianble/self-evident/god-given syntax comes from the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is a statement of the people at to what they expect of the government |
| 01:51.31 | AnduinLothar | yeah wobin, it's typical reporting these days |
| 01:52.35 | foxlit | Essentially, "If you try to revoke these, you're no longer my government" |
| 01:53.09 | cbreak | you sure? |
| 01:53.27 | cbreak | I think the government invalidated those a few times, stating they are not at all that universal |
| 01:53.40 | cbreak | for example, some think they only apply to citizens |
| 01:53.47 | foxlit | Fetch the pitchforks :) |
| 01:54.15 | cbreak | I think samurai swords are more stylish |
| 01:54.26 | cbreak | and overclocked Laser Pointers more effective |
| 01:54.37 | foxlit | Ever seen an angry mob wielding samurai swords? Of course you haven't :) |
| 01:55.05 | cbreak | angry mobs in my country wield posters and protest banners |
| 01:55.16 | cbreak | or they are soccer fans and wield ... baseball bats? |
| 01:55.24 | cbreak | (how inconsequent) |
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| 01:56.09 | Shirik | Anyone here use Netbeans for Java? |
| 01:56.44 | foxlit | you do. Do I get a cookie? :) |
| 01:57.13 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:57.32 | Shirik | netbeans is installing the wrong manifest file into my JAR for some reason :( |
| 01:58.02 | Corrodias | that's pretty odd |
| 01:58.25 | Aiiane | yeah, seriously, who uses netbeans |
| 01:58.28 | Aiiane | (i kid, i kid) |
| 01:59.06 | Shirik | Netbeans is awesome |
| 01:59.17 | Kaso | ...ly slow? |
| 01:59.54 | Shirik | not slow for me! |
| 02:00.06 | Shirik | os: Windows Vista Ultimate, SP1 :: cpu: Intel Core2 Duo T8100 2.10GHz (at 800 MHz) :: mem: 2857/4094 MB (69%) :: gfx: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3470 (1280x800x32bit 60Hz) |
| 02:00.11 | Shirik | rawr |
| 02:00.43 | Kaso | 3gb of ram used >< |
| 02:01.06 | Shirik | Netbeans is barely using a couple MB |
| 02:01.14 | Shirik | eh, 300MB |
| 02:01.20 | Shirik | forgot about java.exe :) |
| 02:01.36 | Shirik | It's pandora, firefox, explorer, etc. using all that memory |
| 02:02.11 | AnduinLothar | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 02:02.15 | AnduinLothar | score |
| 02:02.31 | Aiiane | day old comic is day old |
| 02:02.36 | Aiiane | :P |
| 02:02.41 | AnduinLothar | you're day old! |
| 02:02.56 | Aiiane | am i? if so im probably the youngest ui programmer alive o.o |
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| 02:05.49 | Mike-N-Go | I am having an intresting problem. |
| 02:05.57 | Mike-N-Go | interesting |
| 02:06.28 | AnduinLothar | "Using only an LED, plastic light filter, and some wires, scientists at UCLA have modded a cellphone into a portable blood tester capable of detecting HIV, malaria, and other illnesses." Sounds too good to be true |
| 02:06.57 | Wobin | "Helllooo computer!" |
| 02:07.03 | Corrodias | huh. |
| 02:07.08 | Mike-N-Go | When I call one of the macros I made via TotemTimers with the blizzard interface through Bind Pad, my character can no longer move; he is frozen, wasd movement keys cease to work, as does mouse clicking. |
| 02:07.25 | Mike-N-Go | Some new Blizzard anti-hack thing? |
| 02:07.33 | Aiiane | taint gone horribly wrong? |
| 02:07.40 | Corrodias | lols. |
| 02:07.41 | Mike-N-Go | Or that. |
| 02:07.58 | Corrodias | should work outside of combat though, no? |
| 02:07.58 | Paul77 | 100% cpu perhaps. |
| 02:08.14 | Mike-N-Go | No. I can still jump, cast spells, chat; just not move. |
| 02:08.18 | Aiiane | taint isn't about combat |
| 02:08.36 | Aiiane | things like movement are protected even outside of combat |
| 02:09.07 | Mike-N-Go | Reload UI does not fix it, only relogging, or restarting WoW. |
| 02:09.11 | Corrodias | well yes, but i don't think they work on the same mechanism as the secure frames |
| 02:09.19 | foxlit | Mike-N-Go: you sure you didn't overbind your movement keys? |
| 02:09.50 | Mike-N-Go | My wasd are mapped to movement. |
| 02:10.05 | foxlit | GetBindingAction("W") |
| 02:10.12 | foxlit | and GetBindingAction("W", true) |
| 02:10.30 | Mike-N-Go | Neither those nor right click to move nor either move me, too. |
| 02:10.52 | foxlit | Ook. |
| 02:10.59 | foxlit | Someone stealing your input focus, then? |
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| 02:11.15 | Aiiane | i'd think right-click wouldn't care about input focus |
| 02:11.22 | Paul77 | can u follow someone? |
| 02:11.35 | foxlit | Yeah, but that too can be solved with the right combination of problems. |
| 02:11.40 | Mike-N-Go | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.46 | Mike-N-Go | Yup, follow moves me. |
| 02:11.57 | Mike-N-Go | Yay! I can move again!.. |
| 02:11.59 | foxlit | Mike-N-Go: try with true as the second argument |
| 02:12.19 | foxlit | More specifically, either assigning a MouseDown handler or overlaying another mouse-enabled frame over the WorldFrame would block mouse input |
| 02:13.12 | Mike-N-Go | Well, mouse and wasd work now. |
| 02:13.25 | foxlit | so it wasn't any of that. |
| 02:13.33 | Mike-N-Go | Going to relog and see if it does the same thing. |
| 02:13.50 | foxlit | If you're on Dalaran, that frequently has geometry problems during loading. |
| 02:13.53 | Paul77 | how did you solved it? |
| 02:14.01 | Mike-N-Go | I was in the BG. |
| 02:14.15 | foxlit | which one? |
| 02:14.20 | Mike-N-Go | WSG |
| 02:14.50 | Mike-N-Go | I think it was GetBindingAction() that did it. |
| 02:14.54 | foxlit | well, I'm at a loss :) |
| 02:15.06 | Mike-N-Go | Oh dang. |
| 02:15.12 | Mike-N-Go | It happened again. |
| 02:15.20 | foxlit | it shouldn't really have side-effects, being a Get function :) |
| 02:15.40 | Mike-N-Go | Wait... |
| 02:15.46 | Mike-N-Go | It was Sentry Totem! |
| 02:15.49 | Mike-N-Go | Hah |
| 02:16.02 | foxlit | failmike! :) |
| 02:16.47 | Corrodias | face, meet palm |
| 02:17.19 | Mike-N-Go | The totem was too close to me the first time for me so I did not see a difference of camera angle. |
| 02:17.33 | Mike-N-Go | Well.. problem solved! |
| 02:17.38 | Aiiane | haha |
| 02:17.47 | Aiiane | so, do we have a wowuidevbash yet? :P |
| 02:18.14 | foxlit | how would that be different from bash / why would I want to read more hilarious comedy? |
| 02:18.55 | Aiiane | the answer to the latter should be unnecessary |
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| 02:20.46 | Aiiane | heya ckknight |
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| 02:21.25 | Paul77 | does anyone uses DevTools now? I got the v1.8 and been disconnected several times yesterday |
| 02:21.31 | ckknight | howdy, Aiiane |
| 02:21.31 | AbsoRayne | Soooo |
| 02:21.41 | AbsoRayne | What happened to the WoW Model Viewer Website? |
| 02:21.43 | AbsoRayne | Anyone know? |
| 02:22.14 | ccox | Paul - there are disconnect problems happening, regardless - networking related |
| 02:22.34 | Jamezsmith | Off subject, I heard the code is convuluted, but I miss Auctioneer Classic |
| 02:24.41 | Arrowmaster | guild master was finally forced to change his alts name, Shytstomper |
| 02:24.55 | Paul77 | ccox - hope so, just a bit frequent, huh |
| 02:29.50 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone know about text-to-speech in wow? |
| 02:30.01 | Mike-N-Go | Or Blizzard's stance on this? |
| 02:30.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just fine |
| 02:36.44 | Paul77 | What's the events when the pet bar show/hide, I want move the chat window |
| 02:42.14 | Olorin | PET_BAR_UPDATE seems to fire for both open close and change.... |
| 02:43.00 | Olorin | or rather summon / dismiss |
| 02:44.25 | Mike-N-Go | Paul77: Look through http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events |
| 02:45.57 | Paul77 | Thanks, PET_BAR_UPDATEseems ok, I'll try it. |
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| 03:11.59 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 03:16.33 | Shirik | Okay, Java is lying to me |
| 03:16.36 | Shirik | this is impossible |
| 03:16.45 | Shirik | hi Qzot |
| 03:17.04 | Qzot | Okay. I'll explain your Java. |
| 03:17.09 | Qzot | You explain my Lua. |
| 03:17.11 | Shirik | ok |
| 03:17.13 | Shirik | http://java.pastey.net/104762 |
| 03:17.18 | Shirik | I gave you the log file |
| 03:17.24 | Shirik | along with the contradicting lines highlited |
| 03:17.28 | Shirik | now what's your lua :) |
| 03:18.24 | Paul77 | :) |
| 03:19.35 | Qzot | http://wow.pastey.net/104763 |
| 03:20.14 | Qzot | It's not liking something about the ... being passed in to test:logRGB |
| 03:21.18 | Shirik | uh |
| 03:21.37 | Shirik | can you give me an example of a call you would make |
| 03:21.46 | Shirik | oh nm I see |
| 03:21.53 | Shirik | You don't have any ... though |
| 03:21.59 | Shirik | so you're doing string.format() |
| 03:22.23 | Shirik | you did self:logRGB(r, g, b) which means ... is an empty tuple |
| 03:22.29 | Shirik | so string.format(...) is string.format() |
| 03:22.40 | Shirik | did you mean self:logRGB(r, g, b, ...) ? |
| 03:22.51 | Shirik | (Line 12) |
| 03:24.35 | Qzot | Bleah. May I see the cast, please? |
| 03:24.58 | Shirik | yeah |
| 03:25.03 | Shirik | http://java.pastey.net/104764 |
| 03:25.24 | Shirik | I swear it's lying to me |
| 03:25.44 | Tekkub | My white kitten looks like a normal cat |
| 03:25.55 | Tekkub | I WANT A FUCKING REFUND TIMMAY |
| 03:27.30 | Qzot | Shirik: And the import statement for UpdateService is right? |
| 03:27.45 | Shirik | yup |
| 03:27.51 | Shirik | and it matches what it says in the log file |
| 03:29.13 | Qzot | log.debug("instanceof = " + (obj instanceof UpdateService)); |
| 03:29.52 | Qzot | UpdateService svc = UpdateService.class.cast(obj); |
| 03:30.15 | Qzot | (Not that they'll work. I'm looking for surprises.) |
| 03:31.32 | p3lim | starting to like these free donations |
| 03:31.43 | p3lim | got about 213 dollars on my paypal account now |
| 03:31.53 | Corrodias | Tom Jones - Sex Bomb |
| 03:32.05 | Corrodias | that'll get you a few hours with me. you oughtta come over. |
| 03:36.19 | Shirik | As expected, Qzot |
| 03:36.21 | Shirik | SDD> 12-20-08 22:35:53.651 - instanceof UpdateService = false |
| 03:36.25 | Qzot | k. |
| 03:36.28 | Shirik | and the .cast() threw an exception as well |
| 03:36.39 | Qzot | Is the error in instance code or class code? |
| 03:36.47 | Qzot | Yeah. Was grasping at straws. |
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| 03:38.01 | Qzot | I.e., any chance that you're looking at circular initialization issues? |
| 03:38.07 | Shirik | It's in the middle of my Main class's initialization process. Technically it's an instance of Main |
| 03:38.10 | Qzot | I notice this is running under main. |
| 03:38.46 | Qzot | But presumably, UpdateService knows nothing about TestService. |
| 03:40.26 | Shirik | right |
| 03:40.29 | Qzot | Graspable straw #3: Create a static initializer in Main that references UpdateService.class. |
| 03:40.51 | Qzot | private static final Class forceInitialization = UpdateService.class; |
| 03:44.00 | Qzot | ...and see if anything changes. |
| 03:47.44 | Qzot | Shirik: http://java.pastey.net/104767 |
| 03:52.03 | Qzot | Shirik: Can you cast obj to TestService?? |
| 03:53.12 | Shirik | TestService isn't even visibile |
| 03:53.18 | Shirik | it's in another project |
| 03:53.59 | Shirik | I'm trying to delete all my builds and rebuild them to see if it fixes anything |
| 03:56.09 | Qzot | Meh. Possible. |
| 03:56.50 | Shirik | OSGi is making my head hurt |
| 04:07.58 | Corrodias | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1229832091003.jpg |
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| 04:09.58 | mikma | get in the cad |
| 04:10.00 | Paul77 | Is there any built-in functions that can dump a table in WOW? |
| 04:10.19 | Qzot | Not afaik. |
| 04:10.25 | Qzot | I've built a couple... |
| 04:11.16 | Mike-N-Go | May an admin assist me please. I put http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11949-TradeSecretaryAdRepeater.html in the wrong cat. It should go under Chat. |
| 04:11.20 | Paul77 | oh, type the name sees "table: 0A14e470" only.. |
| 04:11.32 | Mike-N-Go | Paul77: Did you try saved vars? |
| 04:11.42 | Mike-N-Go | You want to view the table structure? |
| 04:11.49 | Paul77 | yes |
| 04:12.17 | Mike-N-Go | Put a new line in your .toc file: ## SavedVariables: MYVARTOSAVE, ANOTHERVAR, .. |
| 04:12.24 | Mike-N-Go | Make sure the var is global. |
| 04:12.24 | Paul77 | i'm using wowlua now, seems can't do this |
| 04:12.59 | Mike-N-Go | Restart your wow. Log in, make the table, log out, and go to your saved var file. |
| 04:13.11 | Mike-N-Go | MYADDON.lua |
| 04:13.27 | Mike-N-Go | Do you understand what I'm saying, Paul77? |
| 04:13.44 | Paul77 | yes, log the table to file? |
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| 04:14.55 | Mike-N-Go | Yup. That is one way to dump the table to a file. |
| 04:17.12 | Qzot | function asText(x) if type(x) ~= 'table' return tostring(x) end; local result,delimiter = "{", ""; for k,v in x do result = result .. delimiter .. "[" .. asText(k) .. "] = " .. asText(v); delimiter = ", " end return result .. "}" end |
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| 04:17.35 | Qzot | Not perfect, and won't read back in. (And typed from memory, so may have bugs.) But you get the gist. |
| 04:18.55 | Paul77 | Thanks:) I'll try it |
| 04:21.55 | Shirik | ok Qzot, I think I'm finally getting somewhere |
| 04:22.05 | Shirik | I've proven that there really are two different UpdateService classes |
| 04:22.05 | Qzot | Yay! What's the break? |
| 04:22.13 | Qzot | Cool! |
| 04:22.47 | Qzot | But both in the same "package"? Shades of eclipse... |
| 04:23.49 | Shirik | check this out |
| 04:25.10 | Shirik | http://java.pastey.net/104768 |
| 04:25.13 | Shirik | Same name, different hash |
| 04:25.25 | Shirik | so something really screwy is up here |
| 04:25.52 | Qzot | Yeah. BTDT. Are you using some kind of framework that allows multiple clients to plug in, each with their own set of dependencies? |
| 04:27.05 | Shirik | Yes I'm writing a modular application, and trying to load an implementation of UpdateService dynamically |
| 04:27.12 | Shirik | but they should all be using the same interface |
| 04:27.14 | Shirik | I've only defined it once |
| 04:28.18 | Qzot | Um. Somewhat different issue. I worked with frameworks that are constructed so that you can have, e.g., multiple plugins, and each plugin can have its own dependencies sandboxed in different worlds. |
| 04:28.43 | Qzot | So plugin foo can be using JUnit 3.8.1 and plugin bar can be using JUnit 4.0 or whatever. |
| 04:29.06 | Shirik | oh no |
| 04:29.08 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 04:29.08 | Qzot | I don't know all the magic underneath the covers, but it makes that happen. |
| 04:29.10 | Shirik | &#T@(*#%UW AG |
| 04:29.13 | Shirik | I think I just found it |
| 04:29.38 | Shirik | Originally, UpdateService was in a different project. I moved it to help separate things |
| 04:29.49 | Shirik | It was originally in the main project, I moved it to a "services" project |
| 04:29.52 | Shirik | Unfortunately..... |
| 04:30.00 | Tally | Is there an editor to visiually make frames? |
| 04:30.02 | Shirik | Main's manifest still says Export-Package: com.mmoui.manager.services |
| 04:30.22 | Shirik | along with the services project, which says Export-Package: com.mmoui.manager.services |
| 04:31.26 | Qzot | Grr. I want some minimal IDE support and some basic refactorings. Bleah. |
| 04:31.26 | Tally | :O |
| 04:31.41 | Tally | I think I'm really going to like WoWLUA :P |
| 04:31.53 | Shirik | Hrm, no it still seems to be having issue |
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| 04:37.01 | Kraps | is the priests misery talent worth it? |
| 04:37.38 | NightHawkTheSane | yes. |
| 04:37.48 | Shirik | no |
| 04:37.50 | Shirik | f shadow |
| 04:38.13 | Kraps | such anger Shirik |
| 04:39.37 | Kraps | imp shadowform is meh for pve |
| 04:39.47 | NightHawkTheSane | shirik is a very angry and hateful person |
| 04:40.04 | Kraps | indeed |
| 04:40.12 | Arrowmaster | Tally: there are one or two editors that allow you to visually make frames in xml but they suck |
| 04:40.37 | NightHawkTheSane | imp shadowforms pushback reduction is awesome for pve |
| 04:42.25 | Kraps | what about pushback changes? |
| 04:44.51 | Tally | Woohoo just made my first addon |
| 04:44.53 | Tally | :P |
| 04:44.56 | NightHawkTheSane | what about them? you still get raid damage, you still get pushback, that'll wreck your dps as much as before |
| 04:47.24 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: what about for leveling? |
| 04:48.18 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* do you take damage when grining? |
| 04:48.20 | NightHawkTheSane | grinding |
| 04:49.11 | Kraps | well, priests dont have any roots |
| 04:55.37 | Qzot | Where's the most up-to-date sacred writing on hooking API functions? |
| 04:56.30 | ReAn | we have writing? |
| 05:00.41 | Shirik | ! |
| 05:00.57 | Shirik | Program said "Ready" instead of "Critical error detected, please report this problem to the developer" |
| 05:01.50 | Shirik | !! |
| 05:01.50 | Shirik | MNN> 12-21-08 00:00:30.507 - [MMOUI Manager Test Module] Test service initialized |
| 05:02.16 | Shirik | Qzot: Apparently there is a call to Felix that I need to make that says what system packages are provided |
| 05:02.29 | Shirik | I never added com.mmoui.manager.services package to that list |
| 05:02.41 | Shirik | so Felix was going out to random places trying to find it |
| 05:02.47 | Qzot | Who is this Felix? |
| 05:02.48 | ReAn | Shirik: what are you making? |
| 05:02.59 | Shirik | Felix is the implementation of OSGi that I'm using |
| 05:03.09 | Shirik | ReAn: This is version 2 of WoWI's updater |
| 05:03.25 | ReAn | java-based? |
| 05:03.28 | Shirik | (And OSGi is a framework for providing modular support within a Java application) |
| 05:03.29 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:03.45 | ReAn | i should learn about osgi |
| 05:05.46 | Shirik | It took me a while to get the hang of it, but it really is a great system |
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| 05:15.55 | jack_stev | hi guys, anyone know wat's the widget api to enablemouse for a frame? can find it in wowwiki |
| 05:15.58 | jack_stev | cant*' |
| 05:17.08 | Shirik | frame:EnableMouse() |
| 05:17.10 | Shirik | !api EnableMouse |
| 05:17.11 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'EnableMouse'. |
| 05:17.18 | Shirik | !api frame:EnableMouse() |
| 05:17.18 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'frame:EnableMouse()'. |
| 05:17.20 | Shirik | bleh |
| 05:17.22 | Shirik | well that's it |
| 05:18.15 | jack_stev | ty |
| 05:18.17 | jack_stev | i guess so |
| 05:18.18 | jack_stev | too |
| 05:18.20 | jack_stev | ty very much |
| 05:18.58 | Torhal | frame:EnableMouse(true/false) |
| 05:20.53 | Kraps | the only JC trainer is in Exodar? |
| 05:22.12 | Qzot | No, there's one in Silvermoon, too. |
| 05:22.27 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.38 | Qzot | And Silvermoon is where all the kool kids go. |
| 05:22.39 | sacarasc | and one in shattrath |
| 05:23.00 | Qzot | Apprentice level? |
| 05:23.19 | Qzot | (Which is what I'm assuming Kraps is talking about...) |
| 05:23.23 | Kraps | ya |
| 05:24.06 | Kraps | i think i want to drop blacksmithing and pick up JC |
| 05:25.08 | Kraps | epic flying first thought |
| 05:25.26 | Kraps | 1500g short |
| 05:25.32 | Qzot | Why JC? |
| 05:25.42 | End | it's a good money maker :D |
| 05:26.07 | Kraps | Qzot: why not? |
| 05:26.09 | Gnarfoz | if you have a stable market, perhaps |
| 05:26.14 | Qzot | Only if you're really serious. Gathering profs prolly make as much money, and leave you out in the field. |
| 05:26.48 | Kraps | i already have mining |
| 05:26.50 | End | I can't make as much money with mining |
| 05:26.52 | Qzot | I'm a JC, and it's not doing me much good in LK. My funds are way down. |
| 05:26.57 | End | otherwise I'd mine instead of buying all my ore |
| 05:27.14 | Shirik | You know, this song is great, but it is really scary that this is what the generation before mine watched... and I assume thought was "hot" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e-vgQSqNtA |
| 05:27.48 | Qzot | One segment. |
| 05:28.06 | ccox | Shirik - you should have seen the other videos at the time... |
| 05:28.52 | Qzot | That's not the worst, even. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hGlYT38DZY |
| 05:29.47 | Shirik | yeah but I don't like that song :) |
| 05:29.52 | Shirik | at least I like van halen's songs |
| 05:31.32 | ccox | just remember - it was a different time |
| 05:32.13 | Shirik | I know :) |
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| 05:36.48 | Kraps | i just figured out wtf wrathgate is :/ |
| 05:40.10 | ccox | and it is.....? |
| 05:40.35 | kd3 | oi... why the hell did I agree to cover a 1500-2330 shift on the saturday before xmas? |
| 05:40.47 | Aiiane | because you're getting paid well for it? |
| 05:40.48 | NightHawkTheSane | because you like money? |
| 05:41.08 | Aiiane | or is that the kind of statement you'd give me a weird look and then fall over laughing because you're in some crap job that doesn't even pay well on holidays |
| 05:41.24 | NightHawkTheSane | (if thats so, the answer is because you're a moron :p) |
| 05:41.28 | kd3 | yes... but it's not worth the hell of getting stuck in the toys section on the saturday before xmas |
| 05:41.36 | kd3 | oh, my idiocy is well known |
| 05:41.45 | Aiiane | enjoy having your eardrums while you still do |
| 05:41.53 | Aiiane | and your sanity, for that matter |
| 05:42.03 | kd3 | sanity? what is that? |
| 05:42.19 | Aiiane | ew. |
| 05:42.30 | Aiiane | i worked for target one spring/summer a few years ago |
| 05:42.34 | Aiiane | never again |
| 05:42.37 | End | damn, I need the wintergrasp mammoth |
| 05:42.55 | End | it's the only feasible mammoth I don't have |
| 05:43.01 | kd3 | meh, I'm actually on board working in the target's starbucks, but I know how to work on the sales floor and as a cashier |
| 05:43.05 | End | and by feasible I don't mean insanely rare drop |
| 05:43.29 | kd3 | and yay for working 8 hours on xmas eve in starbucks too |
| 05:43.33 | Aiiane | i think it's almost impossible to screw up working a target cashier, if you can follow the directions on the screen |
| 05:43.44 | kd3 | you'd be surprised |
| 05:43.51 | Aiiane | well, ok, i take that back |
| 05:43.57 | Aiiane | it's not impossible to screw up |
| 05:44.03 | Aiiane | but the basic workings are almost mind-numbing |
| 05:44.22 | kd3 | yes, but we still have to retrain idiots who can't follow the words on the screen |
| 05:44.33 | kd3 | especially some of the seasonal hires |
| 05:44.34 | Aiiane | well, i did put that qualifier on my statement |
| 05:45.22 | Aiiane | and there's certainly a difference between people who are comfortable with the in-counter barcode scanner and those who aren't |
| 05:45.54 | Aiiane | namely, the latter's line is moving 3x slower |
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| 05:55.48 | Taroven | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.32 | Taroven | Why would one function break completely from swapping UnitDebuff with UnitAura, while another works perfectly? |
| 05:58.34 | ReAn | you know UnitDebuff is just a shortcut now right? |
| 05:59.01 | Taroven | Yeah. |
| 05:59.23 | Taroven | That's why I'm swapping to unitaura, or at least trying. Need this function to cover both buffs and debuffs |
| 05:59.30 | Taroven | http://pastey.net/104770 |
| 05:59.57 | Taroven | Trying to hack a debuff monitor into a shockandawe-type buff+debuff monitor |
| 06:00.37 | ReAn | Taroven: i believe the return prototype was changed slightly |
| 06:01.37 | Wobin | http://bacolicio.us/http:/www.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 06:03.33 | Qzot | Shirik: What can you expect? |
| 06:03.39 | Shirik | hm? |
| 06:03.54 | Qzot | The top hit the year Van Halen's first album came out was... |
| 06:04.01 | Qzot | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR4YH1N04pc |
| 06:04.16 | Qzot | What can I say? My peers had rotten taste. |
| 06:05.05 | Taroven | ReAn: Mind explaining a little more? A previous function converted fine just swapping unitdebuff with unitaura, only thing truly different with this one is that it deals with guids... |
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| 06:14.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I can never ever ever remember the function names to check types in lua... isnumber()? |
| 06:14.30 | ScytheBlade1 | (That isn't it, but I can't remember -.-) |
| 06:14.31 | Tekkub | type(var) |
| 06:14.36 | ScytheBlade1 | duh |
| 06:14.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks |
| 06:16.59 | Aiiane | type(var) == "number" |
| 06:17.00 | Aiiane | etc |
| 06:17.28 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
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| 06:24.08 | Mike-N-Go | I killed a 74 hunter, 4 levels above me, then his SS killed me. |
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| 06:31.34 | Qzot | No fair. |
| 06:31.44 | Aiiane | Shirik has acquired PUDDING! |
| 06:31.57 | Mike-N-Go | I have a revelation. |
| 06:32.15 | Mike-N-Go | Sneezing while burping is painful. |
| 06:32.32 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:32.52 | Shirik | I can't believe you asked that question |
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| 06:33.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I can, all of the languages I know merge into one when I'm half awake |
| 06:36.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Here, have another question |
| 06:36.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Where are all of the class icons stored in the MPQs? :( |
| 06:36.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It's maddening trying to find them with them spread out across like 8+ MPQs |
| 06:37.26 | NightHawkTheSane | dig into framexml? |
| 06:37.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Been trying |
| 06:38.54 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I can find the class colors! |
| 06:39.04 | ScytheBlade1 | But not the textures |
| 06:46.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah whatever -.- |
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| 07:03.14 | |Jelly| | Shirik: So I'm thinking about leveling Jelly. Is smite spec viable? |
| 07:08.06 | Shirik | |Jelly|: Sure, I did it |
| 07:11.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep in mind that Shirik is also insane |
| 07:11.41 | Shirik | it's certainly not as easy as shadow, I won't deny that |
| 07:11.42 | Shirik | but it's possible |
| 07:15.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Man, Shirik |
| 07:15.33 | ScytheBlade1 | You may hate the XML |
| 07:15.38 | ScytheBlade1 | But wow it is sexy to use |
| 07:15.59 | jack_stev | hi, anyone know if the widget API SetScript only allow you set a function with no arg? |
| 07:16.26 | Shirik | there is nothing sexy about it >< |
| 07:16.31 | Shirik | Except that it's somewhat human readable |
| 07:16.33 | Aiiane | i believe scripts get passed arguments specific to the script type, jack_stev ? |
| 07:16.33 | ScytheBlade1 | jack_stev: you don't pass args, you pass a function. The specific "Script" determins the args |
| 07:16.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Only spelled right |
| 07:17.20 | jack_stev | so Frame:SetScript("OnEnter",test("asda")); wun work? |
| 07:17.25 | Shirik | no |
| 07:17.31 | Shirik | What does test("asda") return? |
| 07:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Frame:SetScript("OnEnter", test) will |
| 07:17.52 | Shirik | You aren't understanding what actually gets passed in to SetScript |
| 07:17.57 | jack_stev | then wat if test requires an argument? |
| 07:18.12 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't decide what args are passed |
| 07:18.12 | Shirik | You pass SetScript a closure |
| 07:18.16 | jack_stev | pls enlighten me :) |
| 07:18.18 | ScytheBlade1 | The specific "script" does |
| 07:18.29 | ScytheBlade1 | OnEnter passes one arg, "self" |
| 07:18.38 | Shirik | SetScript("OnEnter", test("asda")) CALLS test and then passes its return value to SetScript |
| 07:18.41 | Shirik | You want something like |
| 07:18.44 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want more than that, you need to be a bit more creative |
| 07:18.50 | Shirik | SetScript("OnEnter", function() test("asda") end); |
| 07:19.08 | Shirik | Be advised that structures like these can very quickly eat up memory |
| 07:19.19 | Shirik | depending on how they are used |
| 07:20.07 | Shirik | You don't get to choose what parameters are passed to the script directly |
| 07:22.23 | jack_stev | scytheBlade1: when you say OnEnter passes one arg, "self", u mean to say that test in this case recieve "self" as an arg? |
| 07:22.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean, given |
| 07:22.39 | ScytheBlade1 | frame:SetScript("OnEnter", func) |
| 07:22.52 | ScytheBlade1 | "func" will be defined as "function func(self)" |
| 07:23.18 | Shirik | well |
| 07:23.25 | Shirik | The parameter could be named anything you want it to be :) |
| 07:23.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Right |
| 07:23.30 | Shirik | But it will only be passed that one parameter |
| 07:23.47 | ScytheBlade1 | *YOU* don't define which args are passed to your function |
| 07:23.48 | ScytheBlade1 | The UI does |
| 07:24.06 | ScytheBlade1 | In most cases, it only passes one or two args (though in others it may pass 20+) |
| 07:24.34 | ScytheBlade1 | jack_stev: what other languages do you know? |
| 07:25.37 | jack_stev | c++, php? |
| 07:25.54 | ScytheBlade1 | You know how in PHP, you can't return functions? |
| 07:25.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ie |
| 07:25.59 | ScytheBlade1 | return 5; <-- calid |
| 07:26.04 | ScytheBlade1 | s/calid/valid/ |
| 07:26.20 | jack_stev | ok |
| 07:26.23 | jack_stev | then? |
| 07:26.25 | ScytheBlade1 | function blah() {}; return blah; <-- invalid |
| 07:26.33 | ScytheBlade1 | In lua, you *can* return a function if you want |
| 07:26.42 | ScytheBlade1 | You can treat functions like any other variable |
| 07:26.58 | jack_stev | ok? so how does it apply to this situation? |
| 07:27.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Because in this case |
| 07:27.14 | ScytheBlade1 | frame:SetScript("OnEnter", func) |
| 07:27.22 | ScytheBlade1 | You're passing a function |
| 07:27.27 | ScytheBlade1 | When the mouse enters that frame |
| 07:27.33 | ScytheBlade1 | That function is called directly |
| 07:27.54 | ScytheBlade1 | If you did :SetScript("OnEnter", func("whatever")) |
| 07:28.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Then func("whatever") had best *return a function to use* |
| 07:28.37 | Aiiane | jack_stev, in the context of c++ |
| 07:28.41 | Aiiane | you're passing a pointer |
| 07:28.57 | Aiiane | that corresponds to the entry point of a function |
| 07:29.11 | jack_stev | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.17 | Aiiane | and the function at that reference will be used to process arguments of the script's choosing |
| 07:29.22 | ScytheBlade1 | What Aiiane said |
| 07:30.51 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/104774 |
| 07:30.54 | Aiiane | it's sort of like if you ask someone to call you whenever they go out for dinner |
| 07:31.04 | Aiiane | you don't give them a phone number and a restaurant |
| 07:31.18 | Aiiane | you give them a phone number, and then when they call you, they tell you what restaurant they decided to go to |
| 07:31.28 | Aiiane | in this case, the phone number in your function reference |
| 07:31.32 | Aiiane | the retaurant is the argument |
| 07:31.54 | Aiiane | the WoW client decides what arguments to give you; you just tell the WoW client what function of yours is going to take those arguments and do something with them (or without them) |
| 07:31.56 | Arrowmaster | when you do frame:SetScript("OnEnter", func("whatever")), the first thing that happens is it will execute func("whatever"), then it will take whatever that returned and use it as the 2nd argument to frame:SetScript("OnEnter", ? ), the frame:SetScript() expects a function object as its 2nd arg |
| 07:32.43 | jack_stev | oh |
| 07:32.51 | jack_stev | Ty Arrow : ) |
| 07:32.55 | jack_stev | i see.. |
| 07:32.58 | jack_stev | ty everyone |
| 07:33.05 | jack_stev | that was really helpful :) |
| 07:33.11 | ScytheBlade1 | func() calls the function, func IS the function |
| 07:33.19 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the difference |
| 07:33.33 | Arrowmaster | yup |
| 07:33.39 | Aiiane | now if only )(cnuf were the function executed backwards |
| 07:33.42 | Aiiane | that would be really fun |
| 07:33.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:33.54 | Arrowmaster | ... |
| 07:34.03 | Aiiane | what, Arrowmaster? |
| 07:34.10 | Aiiane | admit it, it'd be funny to play with. |
| 07:34.23 | Aiiane | think of the obfuscated code contests you could have. |
| 07:35.33 | Tally | Lol |
| 07:36.19 | Tally | What exactle does self in self.variable mean? |
| 07:36.24 | Tally | exactly* |
| 07:36.36 | Aiiane | )cnuf ,"retnEnO"(tpircSteS:emarf |
| 07:36.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Tally: hmm? |
| 07:36.59 | Aiiane | Tally, it means exactly what you'd think - the "variable" member of the table referenced by the 'self' variable |
| 07:37.08 | Tally | framse:setscript("OnEnter", func( |
| 07:37.14 | Tally | frame* |
| 07:37.27 | Aiiane | when you define a function a:b(args...) |
| 07:37.31 | Tally | Aiiane, I'm pretty new at LUA when it comes to WoW |
| 07:37.37 | Aiiane | it actually defines the function a.b(self, args...) |
| 07:37.43 | krka | Tally: LUA, what's that? Did you mean to say Lua? :-D |
| 07:37.51 | Aiiane | (Lua's not an acronym. :) |
| 07:37.52 | Tally | Oh, same thing |
| 07:37.54 | Tally | I know |
| 07:37.56 | Tally | It means moon |
| 07:37.59 | Aiiane | :P |
| 07:38.03 | Aiiane | anywho |
| 07:38.16 | Arrowmaster | dont mind krka, he does that to everybody |
| 07:38.19 | Aiiane | basically, a.b <==> a["b"] |
| 07:38.27 | Tally | I code Lua for a different sort of engine, I guess you could say. :P |
| 07:38.37 | Tally | Alto simpler syntax, though >.< |
| 07:38.40 | Tally | Alot* |
| 07:38.43 | Aiiane | and self is just a table typically defined in functions using the : definition/call syntax |
| 07:38.54 | Aiiane | which automatically passes/receives the object on which the function is invoked |
| 07:39.05 | Tally | I'm doing the Show Me the Money! Tutorial |
| 07:39.09 | Tally | and I was just wondering |
| 07:39.39 | Arrowmaster | except with the frame widget stuff, blizz doesnt really use the method syntax anywhere |
| 07:40.22 | Aiiane | the method syntax is mostly for object-oriented type instanced objects |
| 07:40.47 | Aiiane | so things like the frame widgets are obvious applications, since you'll have lots of buttons, etc with similar functionality |
| 07:40.51 | Tally | What exactly does select() do? |
| 07:41.06 | Shirik | !api select |
| 07:41.06 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'select' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-select |
| 07:41.10 | Aiiane | if you have a set of values (like function arguments) |
| 07:41.16 | Shirik | The manual is your best soruce of information |
| 07:41.19 | Aiiane | it gives you a new list, starting at the position specified |
| 07:41.29 | Tally | Ah |
| 07:41.31 | Shirik | Us telling you this information doesn't help you learn the language |
| 07:41.51 | Aiiane | yes and no, Shirik :) |
| 07:41.51 | ScytheBlade1 | When WoW actually saves the variables to disk, all references are lost, right? |
| 07:41.58 | Arrowmaster | lua> select("#", unpack( { 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} ) ) |
| 07:41.58 | Shirik | No, Aiiane, it doesn't. |
| 07:41.59 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 5 |
| 07:42.05 | Tally | Shirik, if I thought it helped me more, then I'd do it. |
| 07:42.08 | Arrowmaster | lua> select(3, unpack( { 1, 2, 3, 4, 5} ) ) |
| 07:42.08 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 3, 4, 5 |
| 07:42.09 | Aiiane | Shirik, not everyone learns best from reading a manual |
| 07:42.14 | Shirik | For something like select(), it doesn't get any clearer than |
| 07:42.15 | Shirik | "If index is a number, returns all arguments after argument number index. Otherwise, index must be the string "#", and select returns the total number of extra arguments it received. " |
| 07:42.36 | Shirik | Which is a direct quote. And that's all it says for select() |
| 07:42.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Aiiane: if you don't know how to find the answers to basic knowledge questions yourself, then you need -far- more help than someone telling you the answer |
| 07:43.13 | Aiiane | NightHawkTheSane, and if one doesn't mind telling the answer sometimes? |
| 07:43.29 | Shirik | Great for them, but still you aren't helping them by spoon feeding them forever |
| 07:43.39 | Shirik | Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime. |
| 07:43.58 | Aiiane | bitch at a man about how he didn't go fishing, no one gains anything and everyone gets a little less happy. |
| 07:44.23 | Aiiane | pointing out the manual is fine, but you don't need to preach about it. |
| 07:44.23 | Shirik | There are questions which are worth answering, and there are questions which are best answered by teaching how that question could be self-answered |
| 07:44.26 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, no, that makes me more happy |
| 07:44.33 | Shirik | I do when you're countering what i'm saying |
| 07:44.40 | Shirik | Because now I'm teaching you why what I did is better |
| 07:44.59 | Tally | The heart and brain is only a part of one being. |
| 07:45.10 | Aiiane | No, I'm saying that the *first* thing you did was great, the second part was unnecessary |
| 07:45.31 | Shirik | Saying (02:41:12) (@Shirik) The manual is your best soruce of information |
| 07:45.31 | Shirik | ? |
| 07:45.38 | Aiiane | no, the line after that. |
| 07:45.47 | Shirik | (02:41:54) (@Shirik) No, Aiiane, it doesn't. |
| 07:45.59 | Aiiane | Shirik> Us telling you this information doesn't help you learn the language |
| 07:46.12 | NightHawkTheSane | that was actually rather nice |
| 07:46.17 | NightHawkTheSane | i would have been much more of a jerk |
| 07:46.22 | Aiiane | That's irrelevant |
| 07:46.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i beg to differ, shirik's usually fairly helpful and respectful |
| 07:46.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa whoa whoa now |
| 07:47.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Watch it |
| 07:47.03 | Aiiane | I am not saying that Shirik is a bad person, nor making any reflecting on him/her beyond this specific case. |
| 07:47.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Any more ego and he might pop |
| 07:47.09 | Aiiane | *reflection |
| 07:47.12 | *** kick/#wowuidev [ScytheBlade1!n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (bye) |
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| 07:47.20 | ScytheBlade1 | WAY too easy |
| 07:47.23 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 07:47.28 | Shirik | I would like to see the kick count of you vs. everyone else |
| 07:47.31 | Shirik | (by me) |
| 07:47.32 | Tally | I do best with someone who can attend to the parts of a concept I don't understand, rather than a paragraph filled with information I may already know and that usually only hurts |
| 07:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I would to |
| 07:47.35 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i haven't said much nice to him in a while, i figured he was due once in a bit |
| 07:47.45 | Shirik | maybe we can grep purl's logs for that |
| 07:47.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I suspect Cairenn would be the highest, but I'd come in a close second |
| 07:48.18 | Shirik | No I try not to kick Cairenn |
| 07:48.22 | Shirik | she'll kill me |
| 07:48.30 | Aiiane | also, Cairenn can kick back. :P |
| 07:48.30 | Shirik | I mean hell I've already been banned from wowinterface twice |
| 07:48.38 | Shirik | Oh that's not a good idea |
| 07:48.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah exactly :P |
| 07:48.42 | Cairenn | only if they beg pretty |
| 07:48.44 | Shirik | Zootfizzle learned that the hard way |
| 07:49.02 | Shirik | He tried to ban me once. My client replied pretty hardcore before I even noticed |
| 07:49.04 | jack_stev | hi guy, it me again, so in the case just now when i called frame:Setscript("OnEnter",test); shouldn't i be able to get a "self" arg in test(). |
| 07:49.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:49.23 | Aiiane | jack_stev, how'd you define test |
| 07:49.38 | jack_stev | well i am just testing it out now. |
| 07:49.38 | ScytheBlade1 | jack_stev: yes, but it depen-- depends on how you've defined test |
| 07:49.45 | Shirik | !quote MODE #wowuidev +b Shirik!*@* |
| 07:49.45 | batbot | Shirik, mode has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 07:49.45 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b Shirik!*@*] by Shiibot |
| 07:49.45 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-ob Shiibot Shirik!*@*] by Shirik |
| 07:49.45 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [Shiibot!n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (Don't even think about it!) |
| 07:49.46 | jack_stev | so test() is a simple function |
| 07:49.49 | jack_stev | with |
| 07:49.56 | jack_stev | local name = self:GetName(); |
| 07:49.56 | jack_stev | SendChatMessage(name); |
| 07:50.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Define "test" as "function test(self)" |
| 07:50.30 | Aiiane | ^ |
| 07:50.39 | ScytheBlade1 | NOT "function test()" |
| 07:50.40 | Aiiane | you have to accept the argument to be able to use it :) |
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| 07:51.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep in mind that while the UI is what decides what args to send you, you need to accept them before you can use them |
| 07:51.28 | jack_stev | i see |
| 07:51.33 | jack_stev | tks again |
| 07:51.35 | ScytheBlade1 | s/you need/your function needs/ |
| 07:51.53 | Aiiane | ScytheBlade1, I don't accept your argument(s) but rather reject them as false. :P |
| 07:52.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:52.34 | Aiiane | error("Argument was not convincing enough.") <-- totally need to find a way to work that into a piece of code |
| 07:52.48 | Shirik | I still like the operator ^_^ I made |
| 07:52.54 | Aiiane | lol |
| 07:53.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: die |
| 07:53.13 | Shirik | hey, you admit that was awesome |
| 07:53.20 | Aiiane | I have some regex I use in a WAR addon which is L"([^^]+)^?([^^]*)" |
| 07:53.23 | ScytheBlade1 | No, no I admit that you're broken |
| 07:53.26 | Aiiane | i just call it the smileyregex |
| 07:53.28 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:53.34 | Aiiane | or emotigex |
| 07:54.35 | Arrowmaster | did EA use L"" syntax in WAR? |
| 07:54.43 | Aiiane | WAR uses luaplus |
| 07:54.52 | Aiiane | L"stuff" is the syntax for wide strings |
| 07:55.05 | Arrowmaster | L"stuff" works in WoW too |
| 07:55.15 | Arrowmaster | its basic lua syntax |
| 07:55.16 | Aiiane | ah, never had to use it |
| 07:55.23 | Shirik | Yes, but WoW didn't break Lua syntax to do that :) |
| 07:55.23 | Aiiane | (for wow) |
| 07:55.31 | Shirik | WAR broke a valid Lua syntax in the process |
| 07:55.37 | Arrowmaster | L"stuff" == L("stuff") |
| 07:55.39 | Arrowmaster | in wow |
| 07:55.41 | Shirik | Not in WAR |
| 07:55.56 | Arrowmaster | figures, its EA |
| 07:56.26 | Arrowmaster | they break everything |
| 07:56.26 | Shirik | I don't like that they broke it, though I can see that it's arguable that L"..." isn't exactly a frequently used syntax |
| 07:56.26 | ReAn | http://fukung.net/v/2236/nosnow.jpg |
| 07:56.32 | Aiiane | yeah, in war/luaplus it's a literal |
| 07:57.06 | Aiiane | I'd more say "it's mythic", even if they're owned by EA |
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| 07:57.11 | Shirik | Network Timeout |
| 07:57.21 | Aiiane | (now, at least) |
| 07:57.25 | Shirik | The server at fukung.net is taking too long to respond. |
| 07:57.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: http://fukung.net/v/2616/saddest_snowman_soon_to_be_dead.jpg |
| 07:58.03 | Aiiane | your isp fails then Shirik :P |
| 07:58.04 | Arrowmaster | AceLocale-2.0 used L"stuff" syntax, but AceLocale-2.2 uses L["stuff"], because theres a large preformance difference between a function call and a table lookup |
| 07:58.09 | Shirik | 3 of my ISPs fail apparently |
| 07:58.14 | Shirik | I wouldn't exactly blame this on me |
| 07:58.19 | Shirik | I just tried from my server, from my home PC, and here |
| 07:58.26 | Aiiane | Arrowmaster, yeah, that's more what i was used to - L as an array |
| 07:58.31 | Aiiane | s/array/table |
| 08:03.25 | Aiiane | so initially i kept putting brackets around all my wstrings :P |
| 08:04.10 | Mike-N-Go | Arrowmaster: What is faster? |
| 08:04.20 | Arrowmaster | the table lookup |
| 08:05.29 | Aiiane | the table lookup doesn't involve pushing stuff onto the stack, etc |
| 08:10.45 | Shirik | !reload |
| 08:10.45 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 08:11.40 | Aiiane | !cake |
| 08:11.46 | Aiiane | damn :| |
| 08:13.02 | AnduinLothar | ~cake |
| 08:13.03 | purl | the cake is a lie! |
| 08:13.11 | Shirik | He only actively responds to me; anything else would be potential for attack |
| 08:14.20 | Aiiane | out of curiousity, why use a separate entity then? |
| 08:14.50 | Aiiane | aside from I suppose re-opping, but would chanserv not suffice for that? |
| 08:15.09 | Shirik | Because he runs on a server whereas I disconnect frequently |
| 08:15.36 | Aiiane | Ah. |
| 08:16.32 | Aiiane | that's mostly what Aii is, although instead of an actual bot it's just irssi running in a screen on one of the servers in my CS department's cluster |
| 08:17.26 | Shirik | The other side of it is that he makes use of CAPAB IDENTIFYMSG which most IRC clients can't handle |
| 08:19.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ~stab Shirik |
| 08:19.31 | purl | ACTION runs at Shirik with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 08:19.41 | Shirik | ~whaleparry ScytheBlade1 |
| 08:19.42 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry ScytheBlade1's attacks. |
| 08:20.38 | Shirik | yeah I think I shall go to sleep too |
| 08:21.38 | Aiiane | night |
| 08:23.42 | |pez| | I just slept. |
| 08:23.47 | |pez| | on the sofa. |
| 08:23.52 | |pez| | Very comfy |
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| 08:24.26 | Aiiane | what kind of sofa? a regular sofa, or more of a futon sofa? |
| 08:26.29 | |pez| | regular one. |
| 08:27.15 | Shirik | ok screw sleep |
| 08:27.28 | Aiiane | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/piercings.jpg this looks painful |
| 08:27.33 | Shirik | I'm not going to sleep until Cairenn goes to sleep |
| 08:27.54 | Aiiane | isn't the second half of that sentence redundant? |
| 08:31.53 | Aiiane | yay |
| 08:31.56 | Shirik | I was at Olive Garden today and they had something there I came inches away from trying |
| 08:32.17 | Cairenn | oh? |
| 08:32.18 | Shirik | a "Chocolate Martini" ... I didn't want to try it except that it sounded so bad that I had to see if there was any real reason anyone would ever want it |
| 08:32.22 | Cairenn | ahhhhh |
| 08:32.28 | Cairenn | they aren't bad, actually |
| 08:32.34 | Shirik | sounds horrible |
| 08:33.00 | |pez| | People also say pancakes, sugar and bacon sounds bad. |
| 08:33.04 | |pez| | It is awesome though. |
| 08:33.10 | Shirik | why would anyone say that's bad? |
| 08:33.56 | |pez| | Because in some parts of the world, it's not normal to eat all of those together. |
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| 08:35.24 | Shirik | Sounds like a Canadian dinner ^_^ |
| 08:35.41 | Cairenn | pancakes make an awesome supper |
| 08:35.51 | Aiiane | agreed |
| 08:35.54 | Aiiane | omelets even better |
| 08:35.58 | |pez| | But with bacon AND sugar? |
| 08:36.00 | Cairenn | and who can have pancakes without having some meat product |
| 08:36.01 | |pez| | all on the same pancake? |
| 08:36.21 | Cairenn | sure, there's sugar in the pancakes, plus some people use sugar on top instead of syrup or jam or whatever |
| 08:36.25 | Shirik | well syrup is very sugar |
| 08:36.28 | Shirik | and bacon is... bacon |
| 08:36.36 | Shirik | !g bacon powder |
| 08:36.36 | batbot | Shirik: Technique and Recipe by Chef Adrian Vasquez on StarChefs.com <http://www.starchefs.com/events/studio/techniques/AVasquez/index.shtml> |
| 08:36.41 | Shirik | uh |
| 08:36.48 | Shirik | that's not it |
| 08:37.06 | Shirik | !g bacon salt |
| 08:37.07 | batbot | Shirik: Bacon Salt <http://www.baconsalt.com/> |
| 08:37.09 | Shirik | there we are |
| 08:37.41 | Tekkub | Woot had bacon salt + baconayse + bacon lip balm like a week ago |
| 08:37.46 | |pez| | 0.o |
| 08:37.53 | Tekkub | they didn't even write a silly description |
| 08:38.26 | Tekkub | "Look, we know a few thousand of you will click "I want one" without thinking, so why should we write a description?" |
| 08:38.49 | Shirik | man, Netbeans should not report warnings from its own wizards. I can't get my project to show up green anymore :( |
| 08:39.11 | Tekkub | you're still bitching about that? |
| 08:39.18 | Tekkub | dude, we stopped caring like last night |
| 08:39.42 | Tekkub | tonight we care about bacon salt |
| 08:39.57 | Shirik | Was I bitching about it last night? |
| 08:40.02 | Aiiane | bacon salt is reporting warnings about tasting too good |
| 08:40.08 | Shirik | I'm doing too many things |
| 08:41.04 | Tekkub | someone was bitching about IDEs whos wizards produced code that threw warnings |
| 08:41.18 | Tekkub | I just figured it was you and this was the same thing, sounded close enough |
| 08:41.21 | Shirik | It probably was me; I've been working pretty much nonstop for the last 4 days or so |
| 08:42.31 | Tekkub | so anyway.... |
| 08:42.48 | Tekkub | Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo (The girl who lept through time) was... odd... |
| 08:43.17 | Shirik | o.o wtf emergency broadcast system |
| 08:43.20 | Shirik | interrupting my shows |
| 08:45.20 | Tekkub | blvvvvup! bluuuvup! bllllp bllllp blllllp |
| 08:45.30 | Tekkub | or something like that... weirdest noise evar |
| 08:46.05 | Shirik | I'm not exactly sure I'd call it a blvvvvup |
| 08:46.06 | Shirik | but ok :P |
| 08:47.34 | Shirik | It is an interesting technology though |
| 08:47.52 | Shirik | Encoding digital data in an audible tone that sounds like a warning |
| 08:47.59 | Tekkub | I want to know how they came up with that sound |
| 08:48.17 | Tekkub | I mean it's obvious they wanted something unique and very noticeable |
| 08:48.31 | Shirik | It's actually a digital signal |
| 08:48.41 | Shirik | There is data encoded inside |
| 08:48.51 | Tekkub | were there a bunch of engineers just sitting around going "He how about 'awoooooogah!'" |
| 08:48.53 | ReAn | http://fukung.net/v/9967/parah_sailing221.jpg1 |
| 08:48.56 | ReAn | http://fukung.net/v/9967/parah_sailing221.jpg |
| 08:48.57 | ReAn | soz |
| 08:50.01 | Shirik | And reason it's always 2 sets of 3 beeps is because it's 2 packets, with 3 repetitions of each packet (to allow voting mechanism for each bit for error correction) |
| 08:52.06 | Tekkub | yea reading wikipedia now |
| 08:52.19 | Tekkub | no error correction, so repeated 3 times, two must match |
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| 09:02.03 | Tem | okay, wtf is up with Anub'arak's pound? |
| 09:02.20 | Shirik | ? |
| 09:02.30 | Tem | he casts it at the wall |
| 09:02.36 | Tem | so I'm on th other side of the ring |
| 09:02.49 | Tem | and then BAM he hits me for 20k |
| 09:07.25 | jack_stev | anyone know how i can get a pointer to a frame? |
| 09:09.56 | Aiiane | in what context? |
| 09:09.56 | Arrowmaster | if it has a name just use that |
| 09:10.01 | Aiiane | a frame you created? you already have it |
| 09:12.10 | jack_stev | my bad, got a typo and the ui is complain |
| 09:12.12 | jack_stev | haha |
| 09:13.26 | Paul77 | hi, anybody knows how to show damage number on target portrait? |
| 09:25.29 | Paul77 | *:O* |
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| 10:14.22 | Aiiane | http://armorgames.com/play/2893/achievement-unlocked hey look, a replacement for wotlk ;) |
| 10:16.58 | Shirik | woot |
| 10:17.05 | Shirik | I pushed one button and already got an achievement |
| 10:17.11 | Shirik | 049: Space bar has no purpose, dummy |
| 10:17.57 | Aiiane | you can get an achievement for not pressing any buttons :P |
| 10:27.16 | Arrowmaster | lua> math.pi |
| 10:27.16 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 3.1415926535898 |
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| 10:29.35 | Shirik | well |
| 10:29.38 | Shirik | I broke the game, Aiiane |
| 10:29.41 | Shirik | but I was doing well |
| 10:29.47 | Aiiane | lol |
| 10:29.50 | Aiiane | how'd you break it? |
| 10:30.56 | Shirik | it stopped playing :( |
| 10:30.59 | Shirik | But I got to 80% |
| 10:31.27 | Shirik | I did like the meaning of life |
| 10:31.33 | Shirik | took me a few minutes but I got it |
| 10:32.40 | Aiiane | heh |
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| 10:33.34 | Arrowmaster | well i really did break it |
| 10:33.47 | Arrowmaster | after i got the achievement for touching all the touchable blocks, i touched another |
| 10:34.28 | Footrot | Hey all. Is it safe to assume that there's no API function I can call to see if a mob can detect stealthed players? |
| 10:35.16 | Aiiane | Arrowmaster - I'm pretty sure the count for that is 1 off |
| 10:35.20 | Aiiane | because I got the same |
| 10:38.28 | Footrot | No-one has any idea how to programmatically learn that a mob is a stealth detector at all? |
| 10:38.38 | jnwhiteh | you can't. |
| 10:39.13 | jnwhiteh | No API, no tooltip, just the 3D model you see when you are stealthed |
| 10:39.30 | Footrot | One can hope. Thanks muchly. |
| 10:39.32 | Arrowmaster | 100% in 1109 seconds! |
| 10:39.38 | jnwhiteh | nice! |
| 10:40.19 | Arrowmaster | i was mostly done before clicking for a hint just from fucking around |
| 10:43.01 | Codayus | Hmm, I can't figure out how to change the elephants color. :-/ |
| 10:43.38 | Aiiane | when in doubt, press random keys. |
| 10:43.53 | Arrowmaster | 1-5 |
| 10:44.02 | Arrowmaster | something else i found out before using hint |
| 10:45.04 | Codayus | Ah, duh. |
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| 11:05.05 | ReAn | shit what's that mental condition where a captee is attracted to his/her captor? |
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| 11:11.51 | Codayus | Stolkholm SYndrome |
| 11:16.18 | Fisker- | stockholm |
| 11:16.20 | Fisker- | tsk |
| 11:27.18 | Nom- | wtb more people to go AQ20 sigh |
| 11:27.24 | Nom- | I can't solo second boss it seems |
| 11:27.35 | Nom- | No recovery time between waves |
| 11:30.00 | ReAn | lol, what server? |
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| 11:41.54 | [SW]Dodge | Nom-: you solo first boss? which class? :D |
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| 11:54.29 | Arrowmaster | Nom-: we 7 maned it at 70 while pulling the first 3 groups in the room at once and having both healers die and a shadow priest had to switch over to healing, so it was more like 5 man |
| 11:54.48 | Arrowmaster | the first 3 groups in the room are not the first 3 groups though |
| 11:54.52 | Arrowmaster | it was fun and hetict |
| 11:59.22 | nevcairiel | you can easily 2man it on 80, well with a resto and feral druid, anyway |
| 12:00.09 | Nom- | ret pally |
| 12:00.16 | Nom- | and yes, solo'ed it |
| 12:02.53 | Arrowmaster | yeah it was just a group of us doing it like the day 3.0 went live so there was more than required so we were fucking around majorly |
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| 13:17.29 | ReAn | hohoho, someone been naughty: http://fukung.net/v/8680/53b126733498ce74f761d72f900a91e1.jpg :D |
| 13:24.06 | Fisker- | almost the oldest picture on the internet |
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| 13:35.33 | ReAn | :) |
| 13:44.17 | leethal | hm, uploader on wowi doesn't seem to work on safari. Doesn't upload any images. |
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| 13:45.04 | ReAn | well it's not webkit's fault |
| 13:45.34 | leethal | who's blaming webkit? |
| 13:45.47 | ReAn | iirc, safari is built on webkit |
| 13:45.49 | ReAn | am i wrong? |
| 13:46.14 | ReAn | nope, im right |
| 13:46.15 | zenzelezz | no |
| 13:46.29 | leethal | safari is using webkit, yes |
| 13:46.34 | ReAn | yea |
| 13:46.45 | leethal | t3h kit 4 webz! |
| 13:47.04 | ReAn | so, the problem isn't part of webkit is all im saying, cuz it's not common across all webkit-enabled browsers, chrome for one has no problems |
| 13:47.17 | ReAn | i wasn't blaming anything, just narrowing |
| 13:47.18 | leethal | ah, cocha |
| 13:47.20 | leethal | gocha* |
| 13:48.13 | ReAn | WOOT! Tomb-Raider patch! |
| 13:48.19 | ReAn | I can finally play this game! |
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| 13:53.31 | leethal | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11957-Nao.html \o/ |
| 13:57.58 | ReAn | leethal, the "rotation" does it only work off cooldowns? or can it do any simple logic? |
| 13:58.49 | leethal | ReAn: hmm, what do you mean? |
| 13:59.08 | ReAn | i noticed it said something about setting a rotation up |
| 13:59.16 | ReAn | my rotation is based on rules |
| 13:59.24 | ReAn | if x and y then z |
| 13:59.26 | ReAn | etc... |
| 13:59.52 | leethal | as you can't control when you get procs, it's hard to incorporate them into rotations |
| 14:00.33 | leethal | because the addon lists the procs and how much time you got to use them, it makes it easy to alter your rotations as you don't have to monitor the list of buffs etc. |
| 14:04.22 | leethal | ReAn: so I guess your rules still applies. It makes it less painful, though, watching this list of icons compared to all the icons in the bufflist |
| 14:04.52 | ReAn | not exactly what i was looking for, but it seems neat, i'll check it out |
| 14:05.50 | ReAn | fucking EDIOS... can't you make a decent game! |
| 14:08.40 | cbreak | they can rean |
| 14:08.44 | cbreak | they made DeusEx |
| 14:11.05 | ReAn | oooh true |
| 14:11.18 | ReAn | but this fucking new tomb raider game is a lunk of shit, so full of bugs |
| 14:11.24 | ReAn | but yea |
| 14:11.29 | ReAn | DeusEx was sweet |
| 14:11.37 | ReAn | you heard there's talk of a 3rd game right? |
| 14:12.57 | cbreak | they should first make a real second... :) |
| 14:13.17 | ReAn | it's possible this'll be like the highlander movies |
| 14:13.20 | ReAn | they'll make a 3rd |
| 14:13.25 | ReAn | and pretend the 2nd never happened |
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| 14:17.45 | ReAn | im just pissed off that i can't get my lara croft fix :( |
| 14:21.48 | cbreak | I found that game always a bit dull. |
| 14:22.07 | cbreak | nothing compared to the sneaking and development, not to mention story of a Deus Ex. |
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| 14:22.37 | ReAn | well as far as tomb raider goes |
| 14:22.58 | ReAn | it's something prettier to look at than in the Prince of Persia series |
| 14:23.11 | ReAn | they're basically the same game |
| 14:23.58 | ReAn | but yes |
| 14:24.06 | ReAn | Deus Ex is a kickass game |
| 14:25.20 | Kraps | buff tanks |
| 14:26.08 | Kraps | i meant healers |
| 14:27.00 | Kraps | tanks too though |
| 14:27.45 | ReAn | and melee dps |
| 14:28.17 | Kraps | and healers |
| 14:28.39 | ReAn | \o/ ezri dax! |
| 14:30.22 | Kraps | [09:27:59]<ReAn>and melee dps |
| 14:30.41 | cbreak | I found the dps of some of our melee dps quite impressive |
| 14:30.46 | ReAn | can be |
| 14:30.50 | cbreak | (a paladin and a dk) |
| 14:30.53 | ReAn | but not nearly as easy as say a mage... |
| 14:30.57 | ReAn | dks are op |
| 14:31.00 | ReAn | they dont count |
| 14:31.00 | Kraps | so far, DKs and arcane mages rock |
| 14:31.09 | cbreak | I play a mage, and my dps is only average |
| 14:31.16 | cbreak | sometimes among the top, sometimes not :/ |
| 14:31.19 | Kraps | cbreak: frost? |
| 14:31.24 | cbreak | yes. deep. |
| 14:31.27 | ReAn | right now im not impressed with rogue dps at all |
| 14:31.29 | ReAn | in pve |
| 14:31.32 | cbreak | saphiron sucks... |
| 14:31.37 | ReAn | prolly comes from the REDICULOUS HIT CAP |
| 14:31.39 | Kraps | arcane is the new frost |
| 14:31.42 | ReAn | 774 ot something |
| 14:31.59 | ReAn | Kraps: most high-dps mages i see are frostfire spec |
| 14:32.10 | cbreak | I thought about a good arcane build, but that one requires a few point in fire |
| 14:32.20 | cbreak | and I do never want to spend a single point in that tree. |
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| 14:32.22 | Kraps | i regularly out-dps frost mages |
| 14:32.38 | Kraps | ant a warrior tank |
| 14:32.42 | Kraps | as |
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| 14:33.23 | cbreak | well, next patch I'll get torment-of-the-weak |
| 14:33.35 | Kraps | link? |
| 14:33.41 | cbreak | I hope dual spec comes soon, so I can have a boss and a trash frost spec |
| 14:34.19 | cbreak | This is the one I intend to use on trash and in solo/pvp: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=of0wcz0cZZAc0skfu0rzgfst |
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| 14:35.18 | cbreak | and this one on bosses: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=of0iMz0cZZVfcckfu0rzgfsx |
| 14:35.27 | cbreak | I am not entirely happy though... not enough points :/ |
| 14:58.03 | Kraps | I hope dual spec comes soon, so i can have a pvp/grinding spec too |
| 15:02.12 | cbreak | my current spec is good for everything |
| 15:02.19 | cbreak | unfortunately not excellent for anything :( |
| 15:09.23 | Kraps | heh |
| 15:09.38 | Kraps | Haunt is op btw |
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| 15:14.17 | Kraps | (damn why did i just say that?) |
| 15:14.33 | cbreak | warlockish mindcontrol. |
| 15:14.53 | Kraps | yeah :( |
| 15:16.53 | Kraps | here's a fact of life. i know its a fact cuz i read it on the forums: Blizz is killing the Priest Class |
| 15:17.24 | p3lim | does grid have support for vehicle? |
| 15:17.28 | Kraps | and they like druids better |
| 15:18.17 | Stanzilla | p3lim: yes, check the unitguid branch |
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| 15:53.20 | Kraps | should i get [Shield of the Lion-hearted] or put a def chant on riot shield? http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=38453 |
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| 16:18.09 | Zyndrome | or run heroic Strat for shield? http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=43085;38453 |
| 16:18.36 | Zyndrome | but if you're still leveling, nvm :P |
| 16:20.37 | Kraps | im not lvling :) |
| 16:20.49 | Kraps | just not at 535 yet |
| 16:21.59 | Kraps | just got bracers that pushed me to 524 |
| 16:24.15 | Kraps | 19401 health unbuffed is a little low no? |
| 16:27.20 | sacarasc | thought it was 540? |
| 16:27.53 | Zyndrome | it's 540 |
| 16:30.28 | Kraps | for raids |
| 16:30.35 | Kraps | heroics is 535 |
| 16:42.39 | nevcairiel | if you run heroics, you can as well run naxx 10 =P |
| 16:49.11 | p3lim | hm server crashed 4 times in 1 WG battle |
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| 17:01.11 | leethal | Trying to track when overpower is available. Currently checking if the missType is 'DODGE' on SWING_MISSED and SPELL_MISSED. It doesn't notice all overpowers, though, what else should I track? |
| 17:03.20 | leethal | or should I track something else entirely? |
| 17:05.16 | zenzelezz | isn't there also a glyph that gives you a 50% chance to allow Overpower when an enemy parries? |
| 17:05.37 | zenzelezz | found it, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43422 |
| 17:05.54 | zenzelezz | but I don't know what to track to see when it's available |
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| 17:06.11 | leethal | ouch, should probably do something else to track that, then, instead of manually having to poke all of those things |
| 17:06.21 | leethal | guess there's some UNIT_AURA like thing I could watch and iterate |
| 17:07.04 | Arrowmaster | theres a COMBAT_TEXT event that fires when overpower is ready i think |
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| 17:16.00 | leethal | hmm |
| 17:17.59 | leethal | I guess I could track http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=58400 |
| 17:20.38 | leethal | (or, hope) |
| 17:22.23 | Arrowmaster | like i said, have a look at the COMBAT_TEXT event |
| 17:22.34 | leethal | couldn't find it |
| 17:23.14 | jnwhiteh | Does anyone have contact with the mobmap developer? |
| 17:23.38 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/events/COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE |
| 17:24.04 | Tem | your mom has contact with the mobmap developer |
| 17:24.08 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 17:24.08 | Arrowmaster | i think it might be the SPELL_ACTIVE one |
| 17:24.11 | jnwhiteh | i'll give her a call |
| 17:24.21 | Tem | btw, tell her thanks for last night |
| 17:24.23 | foxlit | She said you don't call her enough :/ |
| 17:24.26 | jnwhiteh | will do |
| 17:24.37 | Adys | is Arcane Focus chance to hit with all spells, or only arcane? |
| 17:24.49 | Tem | oh fuck me |
| 17:24.58 | Tem | gift ideas for a 70 year old grandmother |
| 17:25.14 | Tem | s/gift/FAST gift/ |
| 17:25.48 | |Jelly| | vibrator |
| 17:25.51 | mikma | wall-clock |
| 17:26.17 | mikma | phone with huge numbers |
| 17:26.22 | mikma | warm socks |
| 17:26.33 | Arrowmaster | color tv |
| 17:27.04 | Arrowmaster | what, my grandmother still have a black and white tv in one of the rooms of her house |
| 17:27.14 | Arrowmaster | s/have/has/ |
| 17:29.29 | Tem | I think I'm gonna go with picture frame |
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| 17:35.20 | Kaso | http://www.alexchristou.com/451292.gif |
| 17:37.32 | foxlit | again? |
| 17:39.01 | mikma | again. |
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| 17:45.30 | Kaso | Sorry :< |
| 17:45.50 | Kaso | First time i saw it, i've been out of the country for a week |
| 17:56.20 | mikma | ./spew select(2,MiniMapMailFrame:GetRegions()):SetVertexColor(0,0,0,0.6) <- damn :D |
| 17:56.20 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: December 21th, 2008 9:47pm PST. |
| 17:56.21 | Shiibot | We have been in communication with Comcast and several other internet backbone and service providers in efforts to isolate and bring to resolution the connectivity issues that have impacted the ability for some Comcast players to play World of Warcraft. As of this morning a 3rd party network who resides between Blizzard's network and Comcast's network informed us that they were experiencing an issue which may be the cause of problems that Comcast playe |
| 17:56.21 | Shiibot | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.22 | Qzot | Net neutrality FTW. :P |
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| 18:10.23 | Kraps | updating addons in a pain in the arse |
| 18:10.32 | Kraps | *is |
| 18:11.33 | Qzot | Try using your fingers? |
| 18:12.17 | Kraps | ah... that makes it much easier |
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| 18:21.18 | Qzot | An "ergonomic" mouse might help, too. |
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| 18:29.07 | p3lim | Need an addon that fades out buttons if they are not ready (cooldown, mana/rage/energy/RP cost not avalible etc) |
| 18:29.17 | p3lim | Dominos to be exact |
| 18:30.00 | Zyndrome | p3lim , update ouf_perfect for oUF 1.3 , tag-behavior is changed |
| 18:30.02 | Zyndrome | :o |
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| 18:30.36 | p3lim | Zyndrome: I know, having it on hold due the vehicle support is still bugged |
| 18:30.40 | p3lim | fixed tags and the rest already |
| 18:30.56 | Zyndrome | vehicles being poo atm yeh |
| 18:30.59 | Arrowmaster | vehicle support for any custom unitframes is broken |
| 18:31.12 | p3lim | i heard Grid had it working |
| 18:31.18 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 18:31.25 | Arrowmaster | its impossible to do it properly |
| 18:31.49 | Fisker- | :( Arrowmaster |
| 18:31.50 | p3lim | Stanzilla said it worked tho |
| 18:32.05 | p3lim | Stanzilla> p3lim: yes, check the unitguid branch |
| 18:32.12 | Arrowmaster | old grid failed horiblly though because vehicles have the same names |
| 18:32.21 | Fisker- | moo: cpu: Intel(R) Pentium(R) III Xeon processor (x64) at 3058MHz (11% Load) |
| 18:32.23 | Fisker- | :( |
| 18:32.38 | Shirik | os: Windows Vista Ultimate, SP1 :: cpu: Intel Core2 Duo T8100 2.10GHz (at 800 MHz) :: mem: 2898/4094 MB (70%) :: gfx: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3470 (1280x800x32bit 60Hz) |
| 18:32.41 | Shirik | rawr |
| 18:32.50 | p3lim | WinXP sp2 /flex |
| 18:33.00 | alestane | That's why the new branch of Grid uses UnitGUIDs to differentiate units. |
| 18:33.05 | Fisker- | moo: os: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Professional x64 Edition - Service Pack 2 (5.2.3790) |
| 18:33.21 | Fisker- | ooh what new branch alestane? :3 |
| 18:33.23 | Shirik | why does it keep saying moo? |
| 18:33.40 | Fisker- | because the the script doing it is called moo |
| 18:33.41 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 18:33.43 | Arrowmaster | right but it still cant do the vehicles 'properly' and instead just shows 25 pet frames in addition to the 25 now useless raid frames |
| 18:33.47 | p3lim | Fisker-: belive so, guess i can find it on the SVN right? |
| 18:33.56 | alestane | It's just called |
| 18:34.03 | alestane | "unitguid" as far as I know. |
| 18:34.24 | p3lim | oUF has it working too, just issues with combat and unitIds |
| 18:34.40 | Fisker- | is it in a ~working state at the moment alestane ? :P |
| 18:35.02 | alestane | Not sure if it's 100%, but it worked at least somewhat when I was constructing ZappOGrid. |
| 18:35.29 | alestane | I don't really use Grid myself, I created a plugin to it on commission. |
| 18:36.41 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: it's basically the same as using X-Perl or PitBull with "Raid Pet" unit frames enabled |
| 18:36.50 | p3lim | btw |
| 18:36.54 | p3lim | grid1 or grid2? |
| 18:36.55 | Gnarfoz | you get 50 frames for a 25man raid :\, 25 for players, 25 for vehicles/pets |
| 18:37.00 | Gnarfoz | grid1, obviously |
| 18:37.02 | Arrowmaster | grid1 |
| 18:37.05 | Gnarfoz | grid2 is... a stupid idea |
| 18:37.17 | Gnarfoz | why not improve Grid instead of making a clone no one uses :P |
| 18:37.32 | mikma | ouf_grid <3 |
| 18:37.41 | mikma | go zariel, eventho he won't play anymore |
| 18:38.05 | p3lim | i dont care what raid frames im using, as long they work properly with vehicles |
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| 18:39.38 | iewnait | hi, anyone know how i can convert blp file to jpeg and back to blp? |
| 18:39.52 | jnwhiteh | you don't need to convert back to .blp |
| 18:40.00 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: "properly" PitBull & X-Perl (via Raid Pets) and Grid <unitguid branch> can do, at least. |
| 18:40.03 | jnwhiteh | and you can use any number of utilities to convert from BLP to PNG |
| 18:40.06 | jnwhiteh | you don't ever want to go to JPED |
| 18:40.09 | jnwhiteh | its a lossy compression |
| 18:40.15 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: "like blizz does it" no one can do. lack of UI support |
| 18:40.15 | mikma | or BLP to TGA |
| 18:40.17 | Gnarfoz | fail :X |
| 18:40.26 | p3lim | blizz should do something about that |
| 18:40.28 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/blp2png can do the conversion from BLP to PNG |
| 18:40.41 | p3lim | where can I get the unitguid branch of Grid then? |
| 18:40.53 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: from it's svn |
| 18:41.02 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: yeah, they should. I'm not sure they're aware... :\ |
| 18:41.29 | p3lim | can only find the main trunk, cant find branches |
| 18:41.43 | Arrowmaster | then you fail |
| 18:41.45 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 18:41.51 | Gnarfoz | /nod Arrrow |
| 18:41.52 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:41.52 | Arrowmaster | and cant use svn |
| 18:41.59 | Arrowmaster | since its right fucking there |
| 18:42.02 | Gnarfoz | @project grid |
| 18:42.08 | Gnarfoz | oh, wait. |
| 18:42.09 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:42.30 | p3lim | there i found it |
| 18:42.41 | Arrowmaster | $ svn ls svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/grid/mainline/branches |
| 18:42.41 | Arrowmaster | unitguid/ |
| 18:42.47 | p3lim | yeah |
| 18:42.55 | p3lim | was just my svn client that cocked up |
| 18:43.13 | Gnarfoz | the annoying thing is that plugins have to be updated to be compatible :O |
| 18:44.35 | p3lim | anyways, still looking for some addon to change alpha on buttons by conditions (combat, cooldown, power requirement etc) |
| 18:44.42 | iewnait | jnwhiteh: when u say u don't need to convert back to .blp do you mean we can call .png format file in UI? |
| 18:45.10 | p3lim | tga and png can be called ingame i think |
| 18:45.16 | p3lim | not 100% sure about png tho |
| 18:49.17 | zenzelezz | TGA and BLP |
| 18:49.29 | zenzelezz | don't think you can use PNG, but I could be wrong |
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| 18:54.39 | Tekkub | no PNG, but TGA works fine |
| 18:54.58 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 18:55.52 | leethal | to whom it may concern -- http://img.skitch.com/20081221-dnikb2pi2ni6ws7nmch8h3ktuu.png |
| 18:55.59 | leethal | wowi site "issue" |
| 18:56.30 | Tekkub | see now, you wouldn't have this issue if you'd just adblock |
| 18:56.33 | jnwhiteh | iewnait: Convert to TGA when you're done.. they do not need to be BLP |
| 18:57.58 | foxlit | Tek: actually, no |
| 18:58.01 | Cairenn | Dolby: ^^ |
| 18:58.19 | foxlit | That crap comes from wowi, iirc :) |
| 18:58.41 | Tekkub | you think we're gonna trust your memory here? |
| 18:58.57 | foxlit | You must think I care :) |
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| 19:02.54 | Dolby | nah that comes from our ad provider, Cairenn fwding it to them |
| 19:04.07 | Dolby | Tekkub you are a FA so you dont even see ads. so you dont even get to use ad block on us =p |
| 19:04.28 | Tekkub | I know, I'm just an ass |
| 19:04.39 | foxlit | Out of interest, google? |
| 19:04.44 | Tekkub | Chrome doesn't even have adblock |
| 19:04.48 | iewnait | hi guys, i am having some problem calling tga file, may i know wat's the right way to do it? i place the file in the same folder as the addon, tried relative/direct path but none seems to work.. |
| 19:05.01 | Tekkub | did you exit the game |
| 19:05.02 | foxlit | I have a feeling you rotate http://s.wowinterface.com/code/728x90.html , but I can't seem to get anything other than partner.googleadservices.com |
| 19:05.33 | Tekkub | and is it sized in powers of 2? |
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| 19:07.50 | Dolby | foxlit: we dont rotate that static file |
| 19:08.01 | Dolby | that holds the js to our ad provider |
| 19:08.12 | foxlit | So something else changes. |
| 19:08.19 | Dolby | we currently use google services to serve our ads |
| 19:08.47 | Dolby | (no we dont use googles ads thats something different) |
| 19:08.50 | iewnait | is this the right way to call? Backdrop bgFile="Interface\AddOns\LFGFrame\LFGbackground.tga" ?? |
| 19:08.58 | foxlit | That's not quite my concern. |
| 19:09.20 | foxlit | The thing is, I null-route the address that html ad page tries to pull a script from, yet I still get http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6254/safari001xk6.png |
| 19:10.13 | Tekkub | iewnait, if that's lua, \\ |
| 19:10.19 | Tekkub | you have to escape them |
| 19:10.29 | iewnait | tekkub: it's in xml |
| 19:10.38 | Dolby | google services redirects to other ad providers |
| 19:10.40 | Tekkub | then no idea, xml blows |
| 19:10.43 | Dolby | I'm sure they have a ton |
| 19:11.03 | foxlit | They can't do that if their primary script doesn't get run. |
| 19:11.36 | foxlit | But perhaps my screenshot is just old. |
| 19:11.40 | Dolby | well it must be running some how. if you look at the code thats the only external java |
| 19:11.45 | Dolby | google services ;) |
| 19:12.16 | Gnarfoz | AnduinLothar: ping |
| 19:13.08 | Dolby | http://s.wowinterface.com/code/728x90.html is a static file that does not change and calls http://partner.googleadservices.com/gampad/google_service.js for the ads |
| 19:13.32 | Dolby | reason its in an iframe is so that js include doesnt slow down our page loads |
| 19:14.09 | Cairenn | leethal: what browser & OS are you using and what country are you in? |
| 19:14.21 | |Jelly| | http://ia310809.us.archive.org/3/items/Shoe-tosserGuyGif1/iraqimage001.gif |
| 19:16.12 | leethal | Cairenn: newest safari, os x, norway |
| 19:16.44 | Cairenn | leethal: thanks |
| 19:16.53 | Cairenn | forwarded along to our ad dept |
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| 19:17.55 | Cairenn | On a completely different note - Does anyone know where the !@#$!@ an alliance can train 300-375 tailoring? And don't tell me whatshername in Honour Hold, I've checked her repeatedly and she won't train me |
| 19:18.23 | Cairenn | every site I check tells me she has it, but she doesn't |
| 19:18.40 | Dolby | I think whashername in Honors Hold does |
| 19:18.49 | Cairenn | I'm 63 and my tailoring is 283, so it isn't that I don't meet the requirements |
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| 19:19.04 | Cairenn | :p |
| 19:19.06 | Dolby | I dont think the one in Honours hold does though |
| 19:19.12 | Dolby | just honors hold |
| 19:19.16 | Dolby | try there |
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| 19:20.10 | Tekkub | HOnor HOld |
| 19:20.14 | Tekkub | or NR |
| 19:20.19 | Cairenn | nr? |
| 19:20.28 | foxlit | Rend. |
| 19:20.30 | Tekkub | Nerdrend |
| 19:20.32 | Cairenn | ah |
| 19:20.38 | Cairenn | which I can't get to yet ;p |
| 19:20.46 | foxlit | But yes, whatshername in HH should train you. |
| 19:20.51 | Cairenn | but she won't |
| 19:20.54 | Cairenn | so wtf :p |
| 19:21.00 | foxlit | Perhaps it's the wrong whatshername? |
| 19:21.01 | Tekkub | sure you can, take the boat |
| 19:21.11 | foxlit | (northrend isn't level-locked) |
| 19:21.17 | Cairenn | it isn't? |
| 19:21.22 | Tekkub | no, duh |
| 19:21.22 | Dolby | n00b |
| 19:21.25 | Tekkub | take the fucking boat |
| 19:21.27 | Cairenn | bite me |
| 19:21.29 | foxlit | No. But watch out for the bears. |
| 19:21.32 | Cairenn | where's the boat? |
| 19:21.37 | Dolby | in the water |
| 19:21.39 | Tekkub | harbor |
| 19:21.44 | Cairenn | sw? |
| 19:21.49 | Tekkub | if you want |
| 19:21.59 | Tekkub | why you would want to go to SW is beyond me |
| 19:21.59 | foxlit | This whatshername: http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=18772 ? |
| 19:22.12 | Cairenn | yeah, that whatshername |
| 19:22.12 | alestane | Cairenn: You can get to Northrend at any level, you just won't want to venture outside your landing town. I'm not 100% sure she'll train master level. |
| 19:22.26 | Tekkub | they will |
| 19:22.34 | Tekkub | trainers have all the ranks below them |
| 19:23.05 | alestane | I've presumed, I just haven't checked. And the first aid trainer out there won't train you in artisan, you still have to do the quest for that. |
| 19:23.27 | Cairenn | so, fine, I need to go to NR - where do I find the boat that'll take me there |
| 19:23.28 | Tekkub | they have ever since they fixed the whole "multiple trainers in town" shit |
| 19:23.43 | Tekkub | there's now a single trainer in each town, that can train you up to 300 |
| 19:23.54 | Tekkub | and, of course, the outland ones, and NR now |
| 19:24.07 | alestane | Cairenn: Either Stormwind or Menethil Harbor. |
| 19:24.18 | Cairenn | and is the town that it'll bring me to the one that the trainer is in, or am I going to have to take my life in my hands and try to run somewhere? |
| 19:24.30 | Cairenn | thank you |
| 19:24.31 | alestane | No, the tailoring trainers are in the towns of arrival. |
| 19:24.46 | Cairenn | danke |
| 19:24.58 | Tekkub | both towns have trainers |
| 19:25.34 | Cairenn | because chippy in Honor Hold absolutely will _not_ give me the training :p |
| 19:25.51 | alestane | The tailoring trainer in Valiance Keep (from Stormwind) is with almost all the others on the southwest outside of the large keep (have to cross the docked boat in the middle of town. I think the one in Valgarde (from Menethil) is in the inn. |
| 19:26.05 | alestane | Cairenn: screenie from what she says to you? |
| 19:26.09 | nevcairiel | Hm dont they only teach 375-450? |
| 19:26.19 | nevcairiel | Anyway, wowhead claims "Hama" in Honor Hold teaches you |
| 19:26.27 | alestane | I'm not doubting you, but that seems REALLY strange. |
| 19:26.52 | Cairenn | as does akz and thottbot - everyone says she's supposed to train it, but it isn't there |
| 19:26.54 | Tekkub | nevcairiel, what I just said, trainers have all the ranks below them as well |
| 19:27.06 | nevcairiel | Not all of them |
| 19:27.24 | nevcairiel | For gathering skills thats true |
| 19:27.28 | jnwhiteh | I had a terrible time finding who to train with as well |
| 19:27.29 | nevcairiel | but for production skills |
| 19:27.29 | Tekkub | give me one that doesn't :P |
| 19:27.36 | p3lim | trying to make buttons fade when they is put on cooldown |
| 19:27.37 | p3lim | http://pastey.net/104796 |
| 19:27.45 | Cairenn | I checked to see if maybe it was a book instead of regular training, but it isn't |
| 19:27.51 | Cairenn | she just flat out doesn't have it for me |
| 19:27.56 | p3lim | that pastey is what ive got, but it doesnt work |
| 19:27.59 | nevcairiel | Tekkub: I'm pretty sure the expert tailoring tainer in stormwind doesnt talk to you if you're still skill 1. |
| 19:27.59 | Cairenn | and it's annoying as hell |
| 19:28.08 | alestane | Cairenn: Does she give you a list of trainbles? |
| 19:28.12 | Cairenn | yes |
| 19:28.12 | Tekkub | nev, read up AGAIN :P |
| 19:28.22 | Tekkub | they changed in-town trainers in like 2.3 |
| 19:28.26 | alestane | But it does not include master tailoring? |
| 19:28.28 | Tekkub | there's a single trainer now |
| 19:28.31 | Tekkub | that does up to 300 |
| 19:28.33 | Cairenn | she'll teach me all the patterns, but not the master tailoring |
| 19:28.34 | Cairenn | correct |
| 19:28.43 | nevcairiel | sounds like a bug |
| 19:28.47 | p3lim | its true |
| 19:28.51 | p3lim | just did alchemy, 1 trainer |
| 19:28.53 | Tekkub | Cairenn, do you already HAVE 375 trained? |
| 19:28.56 | Cairenn | sounds like frustrating as fuck |
| 19:28.57 | Cairenn | no |
| 19:29.01 | Tekkub | you SURE |
| 19:29.05 | alestane | And it doesn't show up even you you check the filter to show "Unavailable" and "Already known"? |
| 19:29.15 | Cairenn | oh fuck me |
| 19:29.19 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 19:29.22 | Tekkub | are you at, what is it, 280 required to train it? |
| 19:29.25 | alestane | If you insist, dear. |
| 19:29.37 | Cairenn | yes, I already have it trained |
| 19:29.44 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 19:29.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ~pat Cairenn |
| 19:29.51 | purl | ACTION pats Cairenn and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 19:29.54 | Cairenn | son of a |
| 19:29.56 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:30.14 | alestane | Well, at least there's a happy ending to that struggle, even if it's sort of stupid-feeling. |
| 19:30.15 | Shirik | ~pat Cairenn |
| 19:30.15 | purl | ACTION pats Cairenn and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 19:30.39 | p3lim | Cairenn: the trainer in Shattrath should train 300+ too |
| 19:30.41 | Tekkub | and THAT is why the trainer is smarter than you |
| 19:31.07 | Tekkub | don't question her again |
| 19:31.08 | nevcairiel | shattrath has no trainer, only vendors that sell pattern |
| 19:31.28 | Cairenn | you have no idea how much time I've wasted trying to figure out why she wouldn't teach me |
| 19:31.29 | jnwhiteh | p3lim: what trainer in Shattrath? |
| 19:31.34 | p3lim | nevcairiel: last time i checked they have trainers |
| 19:31.37 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: not true |
| 19:31.39 | jnwhiteh | no they don't. |
| 19:31.41 | Shirik | it's ok Cairenn, we forgive you |
| 19:31.45 | jnwhiteh | err I've never been able to find one |
| 19:31.46 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: not for tailoring |
| 19:31.50 | p3lim | im quite sure LW is there atleast |
| 19:31.52 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah not for tailoring |
| 19:31.53 | jnwhiteh | there are vendors for each of the specialty tailoring |
| 19:31.58 | p3lim | near the fruit vendor |
| 19:31.58 | Arrowmaster | but theres enchanting |
| 19:32.00 | Tekkub | there lots of "no trainer only vendors" in shatt |
| 19:32.04 | Tekkub | shatt is shitt |
| 19:32.13 | jnwhiteh | yeah but tailoring is not enchanting :P |
| 19:32.21 | p3lim | dalaran might have a trainer for 300+ too, not 100% sure though |
| 19:32.27 | bleeter | MOAR COFFEE |
| 19:32.36 | nevcairiel | dalaran has trainers for everything |
| 19:32.39 | Tekkub | dally has trainers for everything in the trade dist |
| 19:32.55 | jnwhiteh | I'm excited to visit Dalaran |
| 19:32.58 | Tekkub | with their silly theme buildings and all |
| 19:33.10 | nevcairiel | i love the alchemy building |
| 19:33.12 | bleeter | DALARAN IZ TEH FALE!!! DALARAN DONT HAVE NO COFFEE TRAINERS |
| 19:33.43 | Tekkub | DALARAN HAS A FRUIT VENDOR, WHY DOES NO ONE YELL AT IT |
| 19:33.53 | bleeter | oO |
| 19:34.04 | bleeter | ima go yell at fruit vendor right now |
| 19:34.11 | Arrowmaster | because its a tree |
| 19:34.11 | bleeter | just after I go yell at the local coffee vendor |
| 19:34.12 | nevcairiel | leave the poor tree alone |
| 19:34.35 | Tekkub | if a noob yells at a fruit vendor tree, and no one is around to hear it.. |
| 19:34.45 | bleeter | which is right after i yell at the wallaby in the back yard for not bringing tribute coffee |
| 19:35.42 | bleeter | interestingly enough, the wallaby seemed to take it in it's stride (hop?) but the joey looked all kindsa confused |
| 19:36.00 | Tekkub | dingo ate your coffee? |
| 19:36.14 | bleeter | no dingoes in tasmania, silly |
| 19:36.37 | Tekkub | I love the gorlocs in BT, they're like Taz |
| 19:36.46 | Tekkub | grunt drool snort SPIN! |
| 19:36.56 | bleeter | they are a bit, aren't they. |
| 19:37.54 | leethal | how would I make a frame that's movable, but only moves on alt + left click? |
| 19:38.39 | Tekkub | check in the OnDragStart |
| 19:38.44 | leethal | something fancy in RegisterForDrag, perhaps? |
| 19:38.48 | leethal | ah, thanks |
| 19:39.08 | Tekkub | if IsAltKeyDOwn() then self:StartMoving() end |
| 19:43.32 | leethal | hmm. currently, the frame overlays everything else, though. So, I can't left click the world where the frame is, the click registers for that frame only |
| 19:43.45 | leethal | I want it to not react to left clicks at all, only alt + left click. Is that possible? |
| 19:44.14 | Tekkub | you'd have to dynamically register for drag when alt is down, that's not fun |
| 19:44.35 | Tekkub | you're better off just having the user turn on dragging in a config panel |
| 19:44.48 | Tekkub | instead of restricting it to the modifier key YOU like |
| 19:45.08 | Kraps | thats it? jaina just stops the fight and we go on our merry way? |
| 19:45.21 | Tekkub | yea |
| 19:45.26 | Tekkub | and the King's a dickhead |
| 19:45.28 | leethal | Tekkub: hmm I see. That's what I'm doing now, a checkbox that toggles EnableMouse and a backdrop |
| 19:45.39 | leethal | I'd like to be able to do both, though, but I guess it adds tons of overhead |
| 19:45.49 | Tekkub | it's not worth it |
| 19:46.23 | NightHawkTheSane | people who kill reef cows/bulls need to be banned >< |
| 19:46.36 | Tekkub | nah |
| 19:46.42 | Tekkub | just make em supalites |
| 19:47.01 | Kraps | whos stops the fight on the horde side? |
| 19:47.03 | Tekkub | or *extreemely* defensive of each other |
| 19:47.10 | Tekkub | attack one, you get them ALL |
| 19:47.13 | Tekkub | from BOTH sides |
| 19:47.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: you're my hero |
| 19:47.50 | Tekkub | and they have a stun too |
| 19:53.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Slot Machines vs Electronic Voting Machines: http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2006/03/16/GR2006031600213.gif |
| 19:54.56 | Tekkub | you have better luck with the slots |
| 19:55.13 | Tekkub | they're regulated to a certain probability |
| 19:55.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ... do not lick the photocopier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXiE_1yDkv0 |
| 19:59.30 | bleeter | even weighted in the favour of 'the house always wins', I'd take a slot over an electronic voting machine |
| 20:02.15 | Tekkub | that's what I'm saying |
| 20:02.33 | Tekkub | the odds on the voting machine are always going to be "you lose" |
| 20:05.40 | smcn | heh, wotlk is still "on the horizon" on the underdev page at worldofwarcraft.com |
| 20:06.58 | leethal | fail =/ |
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| 20:10.34 | p3lim | looking for some addon that can turn my buttons into a low alpha while they are on cooldown |
| 20:16.40 | Olorin | bartenderer can make it go very dark but it doesnt seem to change the alpha, though im sure it wouldnt be a difficult change |
| 20:17.03 | p3lim | also, is VehicleExit() protected? |
| 20:17.28 | p3lim | Olorin: ill take a look, thanks |
| 20:19.35 | NightHawkTheSane | p3lim: no |
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| 20:30.53 | smcn | no seeds for WoW-0.0.8-enUS-patch.exe from wirebrain... qq |
| 20:33.21 | Olorin | what patch? that PTR? |
| 20:33.27 | smcn | yeah |
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| 20:52.33 | Tekkub | anyone know off the top of their head what frame is used for the noise+popup big huge "You'll be dismounted" and such messages? |
| 20:52.46 | Arrowmaster | raidwarning? |
| 20:52.58 | Tekkub | no, it's new with 3.0 |
| 20:53.05 | foxlit | It's still a raid warning |
| 20:53.06 | Arrowmaster | it does the 'pop' like the raidwarning frame does |
| 20:53.16 | foxlit | Although the boss warning you... is yourself. |
| 20:53.31 | Arrowmaster | sometimes its the mount |
| 20:53.32 | foxlit | (it's one of those boss emote raid warnings blizzard added in TBC) |
| 20:54.09 | Tekkub | the one that goes "whuum" and the text pulses larger for a moment to get your attention? |
| 20:54.20 | Arrowmaster | thats the raidwarning frame |
| 20:54.56 | Tekkub | erm, not "RaidNotice"? |
| 20:58.28 | Arrowmaster | that might be the same thing as the raidwarning frame, im not sure |
| 20:58.32 | Tekkub | RaidNotice is closer to what I'm after than RaidWarn, but it's still not it |
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| 21:18.12 | Kraps | i'm at 535 |
| 21:18.16 | Kraps | def |
| 21:19.40 | nevcairiel | Tekkub: RaidBossEmoteFrame? |
| 21:20.20 | Tekkub | RaidBossEmoteFrame |
| 21:20.23 | Tekkub | yea |
| 21:20.27 | Tekkub | got it working :) |
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| 21:26.10 | Nom- | wow... AUD $250 for a bluray burner |
| 21:26.13 | Nom- | that's uber cheap |
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| 21:38.49 | lyn | nice one, got around 500g for making one of these jc rings (just making it, he gave me mats) XD |
| 21:39.07 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 21:39.14 | Gnarfoz | and he's gonna DE them and make even more money off of them |
| 21:39.16 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 21:39.52 | lyn | it was a deftank with crap equip |
| 21:39.58 | lyn | dont think he will sell it |
| 21:40.02 | mikma | this is odd |
| 21:40.15 | mikma | wobin and friend said i need 540 defense for raids |
| 21:40.21 | Kraps | blue gem slots are stam? |
| 21:40.28 | mikma | this lowAvoidance says i'm Crushable against lvl83 |
| 21:40.51 | foxlit | mikma: (a) "need" is relative (b) addons suck. |
| 21:41.35 | foxlit | And if you're 80, you're not crushable against 83. |
| 21:41.46 | lyn | Gnarfoz, funny is, he already equipped it.. so nice tip xD |
| 21:42.06 | Gnarfoz | mikma: addon sucks then |
| 21:42.06 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: [December 21, 2008, 1:40PM PST]. |
| 21:42.06 | Shiibot | We have received confirmation that the issues affecting Comcast player's connectivity to World of Warcraft are now resolved. If you are still having trouble playing World of Warcraft and are Comcast user, please visit our technical support forums and provide the information instructed in the appropriate Comcast sticky thread so that we can work to resolve any issues that may be outstanding |
| 21:42.06 | Shiibot | [December 21, 2008, 9:47AM PST]. |
| 21:44.34 | mikma | fisker-: i will rape you if you don't behave |
| 21:44.57 | Fisker- | do it |
| 21:45.08 | mikma | ~rape fisker- |
| 21:45.09 | purl | ACTION takes fisker- behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 21:45.23 | Shirik | heh |
| 21:45.24 | mikma | i'll let my minions do the dirty work |
| 21:45.27 | Shirik | Thunder_Child would appreciate this |
| 21:45.46 | mikma | is he a rape-fan? |
| 21:45.56 | mikma | err |
| 21:45.56 | Aiiane | he's a purl-fan |
| 21:46.04 | Shirik | Watching a show and they showed a scene of a person looking through a viewfinder on a camera. Down at the bottom it says "1/60 f141" |
| 21:46.11 | Shirik | That's some amazing film they got |
| 21:46.12 | mikma | is 539 defense good in heroics? or does it need to be 540? |
| 21:46.24 | NightHawkTheSane | 535+ for heroics 540+ for raid bosses |
| 21:46.37 | mikma | hmm that's cool then |
| 21:46.47 | mikma | i can use parry trinket instead of defense rating |
| 21:46.52 | Aiiane | and it's unlikely anyone would actually notice if you had 539 for raid bosses |
| 21:47.04 | mikma | with blood runes on cd, parry rating 28%+ :) |
| 21:47.28 | NightHawkTheSane | probably not, but i'd slap the tank that died from a crit parry gib |
| 21:47.49 | mikma | with the defense trinket... |
| 21:48.00 | Gnarfoz | Aii: oh, I'd notice. :> |
| 21:48.15 | NightHawkTheSane | tbh, you're probably better off with the def trinket unless it -really- sucks compared to the parry trinket |
| 21:48.23 | mikma | 544, and with other defense trinket.. 551. wewt |
| 21:48.51 | Shirik | Is images.gammatester.com down? |
| 21:49.00 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 21:49.04 | Shirik | :/ |
| 21:49.13 | jnwhiteh | boo comcast? |
| 21:49.19 | Shirik | I don't use comcast |
| 21:49.33 | Aiiane | he uses an isp that fails even more than comcast, apparently |
| 21:49.38 | Shirik | and now it works |
| 21:49.38 | Shirik | wtf |
| 21:49.38 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 21:50.00 | Shirik | So as I was saying... |
| 21:50.08 | Shirik | wtf: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/7be57f11e663bba17d6df769e90416a1.jpg |
| 21:50.20 | Shirik | Best error message. Asks you a question and only gives you one option |
| 21:50.50 | jnwhiteh | at least you can probably cancel to say no :P |
| 21:50.57 | jnwhiteh | some errors don't even give you that much :P |
| 21:51.49 | Arrowmaster | no the best ever is the 'windows will now reboot' with only an ok button and when you click the X to close it and try to abort it it reboots anyway |
| 21:55.54 | Shirik | eh, I hate Java too, but it has its uses |
| 21:56.32 | smcn | wtb torrent with seeds for 0.0.8 ptr |
| 21:57.18 | Aiiane | 0.0.8? |
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| 21:57.38 | Aiiane | they restart the version numbers or something? :p |
| 21:57.47 | Adys | http://www.warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=96955&stream=3&h=6fb9ca73cc9dd75f1df7ccbc6dfab89e |
| 21:57.49 | Adys | wow just wow |
| 21:57.51 | Adys | thats awesome |
| 21:57.54 | smcn | nah ptr patches are 0.0.x |
| 21:57.57 | smcn | WoW-0.0.8-enUS-patch.exe |
| 21:58.00 | Aiiane | ah |
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| 22:00.44 | AnduinLothar | Gnarfoz: pong |
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| 22:03.23 | Sam-L | hey |
| 22:04.06 | Seerah | hello |
| 22:04.54 | Sam-L | I am trying to hook item tool tips, read the item stats and write text that is a result of the item stats to the same tooltip |
| 22:05.40 | Sam-L | Any advice on how to proceed, what to use, etc? |
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| 22:08.47 | Seerah | you'll need to parse each line of the tooltip, I think |
| 22:08.58 | Seerah | looking for the stats you want to find |
| 22:09.07 | Gnarfoz | AnduinLothar: :) does FluidFrames have the same taint problems MoveAnything has? not being able to open spellbook in combat or empty raidframes in the social tab? |
| 22:09.31 | Sam-L | Seerah, cool. I suppose my first question would then be how can I get ahold of the tooltip to parse it ^_^ |
| 22:09.45 | AnduinLothar | depends on how you moved them |
| 22:10.03 | Seerah | whenever it shows when hovering over an item or you can set it yourself |
| 22:10.14 | AnduinLothar | if you temp dragged either of those frames they reset when you show them again |
| 22:10.26 | Gnarfoz | dunno, I'm using neither, I'm just trying to find a mod for some guildies who manage to fuck up fights because they couldn't access parts of their UI because they use MA |
| 22:10.46 | Olorin | is it the item stats you want? cause some info can be gotten using GetItemInfo |
| 22:10.48 | Gnarfoz | I don't think they move either of them at all. the mere presence of MA breaks it |
| 22:11.38 | AnduinLothar | if you highlighted and dragged them they have a SetPoint hook that repositions them, but if you're in combat it just doesn't fire |
| 22:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: you a miner/BS? |
| 22:12.12 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 22:12.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Debating having a Titansteel Guardian made for my druid (plus crafted LW healing gear).. how long does it take to get 36 Titanium Ore? :P |
| 22:12.49 | AnduinLothar | so FF shouldn't taint anything, it will just fail in combat. |
| 22:13.40 | AnduinLothar | 36 titanium takes a while unless you buy it. the longer wait might be getting all the titansteel smelts on a 20hr cd |
| 22:13.59 | ScytheBlade1 | That explains them being stuck at 3.2-3.5k gold on the AH |
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| 22:15.03 | AnduinLothar | the titanium are rare nones like korium and gold |
| 22:15.11 | AnduinLothar | anywhere saronite is |
| 22:15.17 | ScytheBlade1 | qq |
| 22:15.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That weapon, even post nerf, is more than double my current MH |
| 22:15.50 | AnduinLothar | ya it's good. i skipped the wepaons cause even the naxx 10 ones are better |
| 22:16.09 | AnduinLothar | er, maybe not better but comparable |
| 22:16.11 | AnduinLothar | and free |
| 22:16.57 | AnduinLothar | only thing i've actually crafted and kept is the helm, cause it's 2nd best in slot |
| 22:16.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Problem being my druid is so poorly geared that until we want to essentially 8-man Naxx10 it'll be a while |
| 22:17.02 | AnduinLothar | btu the gem slots rock |
| 22:17.17 | AnduinLothar | we've 8manned it |
| 22:17.18 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 22:17.21 | AnduinLothar | nm |
| 22:17.28 | AnduinLothar | we 8 manned sarth |
| 22:17.34 | ScytheBlade1 | We could |
| 22:17.52 | ScytheBlade1 | The problem being healers, I'm more or less an empty slot just lootwhoring it up |
| 22:18.15 | AnduinLothar | dunno, i think the boss fights are actually easier in 25man |
| 22:18.22 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 22:18.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think my druid will ever see 25s unless something is very very broken |
| 22:18.34 | AnduinLothar | we blow thru them twice as fast |
| 22:19.34 | AnduinLothar | thanks for reminding me tho. i need to be selling my titan cd |
| 22:19.39 | AnduinLothar | free $ |
| 22:20.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Each bar is going for ~250g each on the AH |
| 22:20.30 | AnduinLothar | yup and titanium is going for 23g |
| 22:24.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, druid has all of 10 badges |
| 22:24.59 | ScytheBlade1 | sigh |
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| 22:27.46 | AnduinLothar | selling guardians for 3k is like 50% profit |
| 22:29.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Looking at the totals I'm seeing that now |
| 22:29.19 | Tekkub | guardians? |
| 22:29.20 | AnduinLothar | lucrative. i might have to stat doing that |
| 22:29.37 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41384 |
| 22:29.49 | Tekkub | oooooooh |
| 22:30.02 | Tekkub | never took up bullshitting on any of my toons |
| 22:30.19 | Tekkub | not sure why I did alchy on my pally, I can't sell shit |
| 22:31.02 | AnduinLothar | haha, i just bought titan steel mats, smelted it and put it up for the low price and it sold out instantly for about 50g profit |
| 22:31.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:31.55 | AnduinLothar | cant decide if i should do that or craft guardians for 1500g profit every week |
| 22:31.58 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 22:32.09 | Tekkub | aim for 750 profit |
| 22:32.26 | Tekkub | then you either get the resellers, instant sale and you can keep undercutting them |
| 22:32.37 | Tekkub | or you get to kill the market slowly |
| 22:32.43 | AnduinLothar | i'll just undercut the current going price |
| 22:32.55 | AnduinLothar | i dont want to kill my own market :P |
| 22:33.55 | AnduinLothar | sellign to resellers is only worth it if you can do it daily |
| 22:37.17 | mikma | *yey* tanked Patchwerk with my dk! |
| 22:37.27 | Taroven | Grr... |
| 22:37.29 | Taroven | http://pastey.net/104770 |
| 22:37.47 | Taroven | Anyone know why that function would stop working when switching to UnitAura rather than UnitDebuff? |
| 22:38.04 | mikma | taroven: unitaura doesn't return the debuffs for some reason |
| 22:38.20 | Taroven | hmm |
| 22:38.27 | mikma | taroven: you need to use for i=1,40 do UnitAura("target",i,"HARMFUL") in order to get it working |
| 22:38.49 | mikma | i had the exact same problem with my addon back then, so i decided to stick with UnitDebuff("target",spell) |
| 22:39.00 | Taroven | Huh. |
| 22:39.09 | Taroven | I'll try that. |
| 22:39.19 | mikma | UnitAura("player",spell) works, but not on target.. dunno why |
| 22:40.00 | Taroven | That might explain part of it. A second function that I converted worked fine with just changing Debuff to Aura. |
| 22:40.13 | Taroven | Might have something to do with the guid calls? |
| 22:42.31 | mikma | taroven: http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=mikma&path=%2FDKT%2FDKT.lua <- this is what i had to do |
| 22:42.45 | mikma | UnitAura on player, UnitDebuff on target |
| 22:43.17 | Taroven | Ouch. |
| 22:43.31 | Taroven | Was hoping to use that one function as a wrapper of sorts. |
| 22:44.13 | Taroven | Makes sense. Looks like I need to do some extra coding. |
| 22:44.18 | mikma | i was hoping the same :O but /spew UnitAura("target","Blood Plague","HARMFUL") returned nil even if the mob had it |
| 22:44.27 | Taroven | Ah. |
| 22:44.31 | Taroven | Bug perhaps? |
| 22:45.20 | mikma | not sure does it always check the first debuff-slot or what the heck, but like i said, for i=1,40 do if UnitAura("target",i,"HARMFUL") == "Blood Plague" then foo end end ... |
| 22:45.50 | mikma | but imho that's waste since UnitDebuff("target","Blood Plague") works |
| 22:45.56 | Taroven | Mmm |
| 22:46.13 | Taroven | Addon this is going into is a generic combat monitor |
| 22:46.31 | Taroven | The func in that pastey handles most of the work. |
| 22:46.46 | Taroven | Thus why I was hoping to use it for buffs on me and debuffs on the target |
| 22:46.59 | mikma | trust me, i know the feeling ;) |
| 22:47.02 | Taroven | Heh |
| 22:47.17 | Taroven | Shouldn't be too bad to duplicate it to buffs though. |
| 22:48.24 | Taroven | Think it'd be worth it to use UnitAura rather than UnitBuff when dealing with self only? |
| 22:49.27 | mikma | it's up to what you personally like more :D |
| 22:49.48 | mikma | let's see. |
| 22:49.58 | Taroven | Just thinking in terms of usability |
| 22:50.11 | Taroven | Does Arcane Blast still trigger a debuff on the mage casting it? |
| 22:50.48 | Taroven | If so, then UnitAura would prolly be better. Making this thing to track literally anything it needs to. |
| 22:51.18 | mikma | some kind of aura |
| 22:51.24 | NightHawkTheSane | (it's being changed to a b uff next patch) |
| 22:51.25 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=36032 |
| 22:51.39 | Taroven | Thanks NightHawk |
| 22:52.00 | Taroven | I'll just leave it at unitbuff |
| 22:52.08 | mikma | DayHawkTheInsane |
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| 22:53.51 | mikma | s/Hawk/Pidgeon/ |
| 22:54.02 | NightHawkTheSane | :( |
| 22:54.05 | Taroven | XD |
| 23:07.09 | Sam-L | lol |
| 23:07.11 | Sam-L | that is quality |
| 23:07.17 | bleeter | MOAR COFFEE |
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| 23:12.28 | Shirik | ~emulate bleeter |
| 23:12.29 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
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| 23:14.11 | bleeter | Shirik: QFT |
| 23:14.25 | bleeter | tho I must admit I ain't dun fuck all ranting recently |
| 23:14.33 | foxlit | Hm, interesting, the epeen download number shrank. |
| 23:15.45 | foxlit | I wonder if it chooses to ignore pending updates |
| 23:19.28 | Olorin | Is their a way for a function to get the number of args passed to it... ie if had msgout(arg1..arg2..arg3) then if argspassed > 3 then print("additional args wernt shown") |
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| 23:20.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Type your function as func(...) argsPassed = select("#", ...) end |
| 23:20.45 | foxlit | counts till first nil |
| 23:20.52 | bleeter | DO NOT TAUNT HAPPY FUN BALL http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7358768984043835546 |
| 23:21.13 | bleeter | and |
| 23:21.18 | bleeter | TWO PRINTERS ONE CUPS |
| 23:22.07 | Gnarfoz | that should be a CCC talk title |
| 23:22.30 | Olorin | thanks :) |
| 23:23.01 | Shirik | Olorin: foo(arg1..arg2..arg3) |
| 23:23.06 | Shirik | how many args did I pass to foo? |
| 23:23.52 | Shirik | oh nm, I see what you were asking now |
| 23:24.09 | foxlit | None, Shirik, you threw a "cannot concat nil" error |
| 23:24.10 | Shirik | foxlit: It doesn't count until first nil, it correctly counts the number of arguments |
| 23:24.11 | Olorin | kinda yes, wanted a colored msg function that has the arg# in one color and result of that in another |
| 23:24.55 | Shirik | lua> function nargs(...) return select('#', ...) end; print(nargs(nil, nil, nil, nil, nil)); |
| 23:24.56 | lua_bot | Shirik: 5 |
| 23:25.23 | Shirik | C can tell the difference between nil and nothing |
| 23:25.36 | Shirik | since nil is a value, and nothing is not |
| 23:25.39 | Olorin | got it now to do 10args but wanted to make sure i knew when args wernt displayed |
| 23:25.53 | Shirik | Olorin: Why aren't you just catting them all together? |
| 23:27.02 | Olorin | I am doing if arg1~nil "|cff00ff00 arg1 |cffff00ff" .. arg1 |
| 23:27.07 | Sam-L | How do I get the text of a tooltip? |
| 23:27.09 | Olorin | well for example that *0 |
| 23:27.11 | Olorin | err 9 |
| 23:27.27 | Sam-L | GameTooltip:GetItem does not provide enough information... i need stats and such |
| 23:27.34 | Shirik | so why don't you do it for all of the args? |
| 23:27.41 | Shirik | (If that's what you want to do) |
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| 23:28.54 | Olorin | well its a generic function where number of args not known, and I dont know how to write function that does msg = msg + ~nil arg[n] |
| 23:29.00 | bleeter | Shirik/Cairenn: Spose you guys haven't got an unapproved GroupCalendar from mundocani to move to 'release' ahve you? I'm just about to log into game and harass them if you don't ;) |
| 23:29.28 | Shirik | there is nothing in the queue |
| 23:29.41 | Shirik | Olorin: well do you know how to write a vararg function? |
| 23:30.17 | Olorin | nope :/ im still reading the lua stuff |
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| 23:40.24 | Sam-L | Is there an API that I can pass an item name or item ID and get its stats back from? |
| 23:42.45 | WobWork | http://www.news4jax.com/news/18286355/detail.html |
| 23:43.31 | Kaso | Sam-L, Nope, have fun writing a tool tip parsing library |
| 23:43.36 | Sam-L | god dammit |
| 23:43.50 | Sam-L | Is there an easy to integrate and use one you can recommend? |
| 23:43.54 | WobWork | so apparently DW DPS DKs are now called Rune Rogues? =P |
| 23:45.09 | Kaso | What are you planning to do exactly |
| 23:45.19 | mikma | wobwork: 545 http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Oe |
| 23:45.40 | WobWork | Are YOU a Rune Rogue, mikma? =) |
| 23:45.46 | mikma | negative on that! |
| 23:45.47 | Olorin | never tried it but Presumebly you can do sting function on GameTooltip:GetText() |
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| 23:45.51 | mikma | i even skipped the dw talent |
| 23:45.53 | WobWork | oh 545? grats =) |
| 23:46.05 | WobWork | now you can start swapping out for other stuff =) |
| 23:46.08 | mikma | wobwork: wooooo i tanked patchwerk today! |
| 23:46.12 | Sam-L | I need to extract certain stats from an item and assign that item a value based on those stats and deploy that value at the bottom of the item tooltip |
| 23:46.44 | WobWork | mikma: how'd it go? |
| 23:46.48 | mikma | first time i messed up and didn't pull him back enough, melee ran in the river of slime and died :D |
| 23:47.12 | mikma | second time, i pulled him far back and we owned his abomination ass! also got the shoulders :D |
| 23:47.14 | shadowfaux | hey, got a question and it might be a bit noobish but i can't find anything on it on the lua site or google |
| 23:47.28 | WobWork | heheh grats =) |
| 23:47.50 | Sam-L | The first step of course is to generate the value |
| 23:47.57 | Kaso | you mean tankpoint style addon? Yah its not as nearly as it sounds, but basically you gotta use tooltip scanning to get the text and parse it yourself etc |
| 23:47.57 | Sam-L | I believe I have found what I am looking for |
| 23:48.07 | WobWork | mikma: as much as I'm liking tanking, I'm not sure I have the time to devote to become a MT |
| 23:48.17 | Sam-L | Kaso, TankPoints uses StatLogicLib |
| 23:48.24 | Sam-L | I am looking into using that currently |
| 23:48.25 | Kaso | The difficultly comes in how blizzard likes to write every bonus in ten different ways |
| 23:48.32 | WobWork | ^ |
| 23:48.33 | mikma | wobwork: well i was OT for today but for some reason i mt'd patchwerk |
| 23:48.40 | Sam-L | However my wish was to not be tied into ACE libraries |
| 23:48.56 | shadowfaux | if i have a table can i assign other values to them? ie, [1] stormwind, 5? |
| 23:48.56 | Shirik | Sam-L: As much as I dislike Ace, two things |
| 23:49.00 | Shirik | Firstly, it's not an acronym |
| 23:49.00 | WobWork | I also found out yesterday, the gap between 79 and 80 |
| 23:49.05 | Shirik | secondly, do you have a valid reason for that statement? |
| 23:49.22 | Shirik | shadowfaux.... what? |
| 23:49.41 | Kaso | he wants to have a two dimentional table i think |
| 23:49.48 | shadowfaux | can i have 2 values set to the same position in a table |
| 23:49.55 | Shirik | no |
| 23:49.58 | Shirik | but a table can contain a table |
| 23:49.59 | Kaso | t ={ [1]={"stormwind",5} } |
| 23:50.20 | Sam-L | Validity is in the eye of the beholder ? |
| 23:50.22 | bleeter | WobWork: I found out yesterday, that if I stick my left elbow in my right ear... I can electrocute myself |
| 23:50.33 | Sam-L | I don't like bloat or using other peoples code if I can help it |
| 23:50.54 | mikma | bleeter: you should join the circus imho |
| 23:51.17 | bleeter | mikma: damn, I thought I was in #circus |
| 23:51.20 | Kaso | Sam-L, then have fun implementing your own parsing code |
| 23:51.23 | Shirik | Sam-L: This is not an uncommon problem. It is very likely that you will end up creating a less efficient or more bloated result |
| 23:51.31 | shadowfaux | ok tyvm, just needed help on doing that to finish my addon |
| 23:51.32 | Sam-L | This is true |
| 23:51.40 | Shirik | However if you want to implement your own code to do it, by all means go ahead. All you need are Lua patterns |
| 23:51.52 | Sam-L | However if there is a library that does not use Ace but does provides similar functionality I would prefer that |
| 23:51.56 | WobWork | also, you might want to look into the code before you judge whether something you start on your own will do better |
| 23:52.06 | WobWork | Ah, so it's Ace that provides the 'bloat' |
| 23:52.12 | WobWork | not the library itself? |
| 23:52.24 | WobWork | perhaps you -should- look into the code before making judgement =P |
| 23:52.33 | mikma | i can make a judgement |
| 23:52.39 | WobWork | ~fail mikma |
| 23:52.40 | purl | mikma, you Fail! |
| 23:52.42 | mikma | i don't like ace-addons because i don't. |
| 23:52.49 | Sam-L | Well, I have no doubt that I could write better code if I wanted to spend the time but I am truly to lazy for that. |
| 23:52.53 | WobWork | See, that's a relatively valid reason |
| 23:53.03 | Mike-N-Go | Sam-L: Trade off time. |
| 23:53.11 | WobWork | Sam-L: but you don't like using other people's code |
| 23:53.14 | Sam-L | Roger that |
| 23:53.15 | WobWork | and you think Ace is bloated |
| 23:53.22 | Mike-N-Go | "The lesser of two.." What is lesser? |
| 23:53.24 | WobWork | thus you still want to use someone elses code |
| 23:53.29 | WobWork | as long as it's not Ace |
| 23:53.33 | Mike-N-Go | The time to write it yourself, or using Ace. |
| 23:53.45 | WobWork | methinks you've not -actually- looked at Ace beyond the name itself |
| 23:53.56 | WobWork | You've gone and done a mikma =P |
| 23:53.58 | Shirik | Don't get me wrong, I hate Ace |
| 23:54.05 | Sam-L | I have not looked into Ace this is true |
| 23:54.08 | Shirik | but I doubt you can make a more efficient implementation with all the code review |
| 23:54.14 | Sam-L | Lol |
| 23:54.15 | Shirik | it's had* |
| 23:54.20 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 23:54.23 | Sam-L | It is only a matter of time that I do not have |
| 23:54.31 | Sam-L | But we, or at least I, digress. |
| 23:54.32 | WobWork | So take advantage of that code review |
| 23:54.46 | mikma | currently i use couple of libraries in me new addons, just because i don't wan't to code the stuff myself :D |
| 23:54.49 | Shirik | Sam-L: Despite your best efforts, there IS an upper bound on performance for every algorithm |
| 23:55.00 | Sam-L | This is mostly true |
| 23:55.04 | Shirik | If Ace has already reached that (which you have not yet proven it hasn't), then you can't beat it |
| 23:55.11 | Sam-L | However I have little confidence they have reached it or perhaps are even nearing it |
| 23:55.12 | WobWork | put it this way, if it's a base Ace3 library, it's gone through so much code review that it's highly likely to be more efficient than anything you start anew |
| 23:55.19 | mikma | GTB-1.0, LibStub, LDB, CallbackHandler |
| 23:55.45 | WobWork | Sam-L: How can you have -any- confidence in any judgement if you've not -looked- at anything past the name? |
| 23:56.09 | Shirik | How much experience do you have with the internals of Lua, Sam-L? |
| 23:56.10 | Sam-L | A general cynicism for all others who release code. |
| 23:56.15 | WobWork | Ah |
| 23:56.20 | WobWork | But you are too lazy to do it right yourself |
| 23:56.24 | WobWork | feh |
| 23:56.26 | Shirik | What is the percentage difference in access time between a global and a local? |
| 23:56.28 | Sam-L | None Shirik, I am running a quick intro to lua atm. |
| 23:56.30 | Sam-L | WobWork, of course. |
| 23:56.36 | WobWork | gtfo |
| 23:56.38 | WobWork | honestly |
| 23:56.40 | Sam-L | Haha |
| 23:56.48 | Shirik | Without that internal knowledge, I have a high suspicion that you will hit common efficiency problems |
| 23:56.55 | Sam-L | Undoubtedly |
| 23:57.05 | WobWork | Why would -anyone- want to help someone who has no respect for anyone but themselves? |
| 23:57.05 | Shirik | Therefore you won't be able to reach Ace's level of code |
| 23:57.41 | jnwhiteh | use dongle its better than everything else |
| 23:57.41 | WobWork | also |
| 23:57.42 | Shirik | ~stab jnwhiteh |
| 23:57.42 | purl | ACTION runs at jnwhiteh with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 23:57.42 | Shirik | ... purl, you fail me |
| 23:57.42 | Sam-L | Just because I don't know it now does not mean I would not or could not know it were I to research it. |
| 23:57.44 | Shirik | Sam-L: I don't even think you would THINK to research it |
| 23:57.44 | WobWork | Anyone who refuses to spend the time to research alternatives deserves any help |
| 23:57.45 | jnwhiteh | the only problem I have |
| 23:57.49 | Sam-L | Anyway, it seems I have no choice but to use this library. |
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| 23:57.57 | WobWork | Oh no |
| 23:57.59 | jnwhiteh | is the fact that you would consider using a non-ace library instead of an ace one |
| 23:58.01 | WobWork | You have plenty of choice |
| 23:58.03 | jnwhiteh | without knowing anythign about them |
| 23:58.03 | Shirik | Because there are things about Lua that are so radically different from other languages that it doesn't even seem like it should make a difference |
| 23:58.09 | jnwhiteh | thats just silly =( |
| 23:58.13 | jnwhiteh | and I hate most ace things :P |
| 23:58.16 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 23:58.27 | WobWork | It's not that we're all proponents of "zomg Ace is GRATE" |
| 23:58.36 | jnwhiteh | you won't find a more outspoken (informed) advocate for writing your own code than me |
| 23:58.41 | jnwhiteh | yet, I use many ace libraries |
| 23:58.43 | jnwhiteh | and i've written once of them |
| 23:58.44 | Shirik | I come a close second :( |
| 23:58.50 | jnwhiteh | because Ace3 is not the same as Ace or Ace2 |
| 23:58.53 | Sam-L | Shirik, I am not a fan of lua, perhaps if I spent more time learning I would find its place beyond games, but as of right now... I just want to get this done. I shall return in a bit and thank you for your assisstance. |
| 23:59.02 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: you lack the knowledge of Ace1 and Ace2, let alone Ace3 |
| 23:59.06 | Shirik | heh |
| 23:59.07 | WobWork | it's that we're proponents of "zomg, use your programming knowledge to make an INFORMED choice, not a random one" |
| 23:59.08 | Shirik | this is true |
| 23:59.08 | jnwhiteh | I have good reasons for my dislike :P |
| 23:59.15 | Shirik | I'm still defending Ace though :P |
| 23:59.21 | jnwhiteh | i know :P |
| 23:59.28 | WobWork | Shirik: isn't it terrible? =) |
| 23:59.33 | Shirik | SO BAD |
