IRC log for #wowuidev on 20081217

`00:00.10`	`Shirik`	`Amarande: I could totally tell the difference between red 255 and red 255.00001`
`00:00.10`	`NeoTron`	`very few can see frequencies above 60 Hz but with 50 Hz (common in Sweden) it's not at all impossible to see flickering`
`00:00.10`	`Shirik`	`so nyah`
`00:00.12`	`Olorin`	`hmm i can see flicker on a screen 75hz`
`00:00.20`	`Olorin`	`err 72hz`
`00:00.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://fukung.net/v/7814/computer_technology.jpg`
`00:00.38`	Cralor`	`mikma: have you seen my comment on Chamois? the MSWx5 does not show`
`00:00.39`	`Shirik`	`there's a difference between "flicker" and "noticing" and "seeming like not animated"`
`00:00.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`Amarande: they want 120 Hz flat panels so they can work on 3d viewing tech like shutter glasses`
`00:00.47`	`Shirik`	`you all are talking about different things`
`00:00.50`	`NeoTron`	`for CRT's you want ~85 Hz`
`00:01.04`	`zenzelezz`	`ah yeah; 30-bit monitor... Color Dream`
`00:01.20`	`NeoTron`	`but LCD's work differently than CRTs`
`00:01.48`	`mikma`	cralor`: umm, industrial said the same, but on me it's showing
`00:02.25`	Cralor`	`odd =/`
`00:02.41`	Cralor`	`you positively sure it is the same release? :D`
`00:03.03`	`Dashkal`	`http://fukung.net/v/10483/2hpnn0l.jpg`
`00:03.03`	`mikma`	cralor`: english version?
`00:03.17`	`Dashkal`	`That's the HD-DVD code isn't it?`
`00:03.50`	Cralor`	`mikma: do i use enUS?`
`00:04.01`	Cralor`	`if so, yes`
`00:04.03`	`mikma`	cralor`: enus or engb
`00:04.10`	Cralor`	`enUS`
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`00:05.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://fukung.net/v/407/1071836116253.jpg`
`00:07.31`	`Dashkal`	`Ok, I turned the volume up and tried the 18k again. I can hear it clearly now facepalms`
`00:08.41`	`mikma`	cralor`: same version in wowi, i just did diff on the current svn version and the one in wowi and didn't have any differences
`00:09.27`	Cralor`	`ok. it isn't a big issue to me. hope somehow it gets resolved :D`
`00:09.42`	`Anaral`	`Anyone know how fast an Nvidia 9800GT UL fan should run at on average?`
`00:09.42`	`mikma`	`lol now it won't display on me either`
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`00:11.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://fukung.net/v/7967/96e6f0bd7fcdabae8f09139f877e1477.jpg`
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`00:13.37`	`Amarande`	`yay, Org is under attack, again`
`00:13.40`	`Amarande`	`you know`
`00:13.49`	`Amarande`	`these days I think Org has been under attack more often than Crossroads has been under attack.`
`00:13.58`	`Dashkal`	`I need to join one of those raids soon before they die down`
`00:14.10`	`Dashkal`	`Trade is always LFM [For the Alliance!] 75+ PST for invite`
`00:14.17`	`mikma`	cralor`: got knowledge of changing the code around to test this?
`00:14.53`	`Dewin`	`wow... I know Best Buy is evil, but out of like 30 places I've called today looking for Wii Fit, they've been the most helpful so far (despite not having it in stock)`
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`00:15.47`	`cbreak`	`tried pirate bay? :)`
`00:15.59`	`Dashkal`	`Pirate bay may have an issue with the balance board...`
`00:16.04`	`mikma`	`haha`
`00:16.05`	`Dewin`	`^`
`00:16.06`	`Amarande`	`lol`
`00:16.13`	`Amarande`	`yes, it's a pity that you can't pirate hardware, isn't it`
`00:16.13`	`Amarande`	`LOL`
`00:16.16`	`Dewin`	`Hmm that'd be helpfu`
`00:16.22`	`Dewin`	`dinnerfortwo.torrent`
`00:16.23`	`Patrick_P`	`hey any1 can tell me what's the best dk tanking tree for heroics and why?`
`00:16.38`	`Dewin`	`fancyhybridcar.torrent`
`00:16.42`	`Dashkal`	`Patrick_P: much work has been made in order for there to be no answer to your question`
`00:16.46`	`mikma`	`patrick_p: they all are suitable for that`
`00:16.48`	`cbreak`	`pirating hardware is just more work. :)`
`00:16.58`	`Dewin`	`hourse.torrent ... oh.. wait... that one is actually copyright infringement`
`00:16.59`	`Amarande`	`cbreak: it also tends to piss off the original owner more`
`00:17.06`	`mikma`	`i've seen crazy chinese pirate hardware :P`
`00:17.10`	`Patrick_P`	`yeah and that's what is confusing me... lol`
`00:17.14`	Cralor`	`mikma: sure`
`00:17.22`	`Dewin`	`and I can spell house`
`00:17.27`	`Amarande`	`after all, when you pirate software, the original owner still has their copy`
`00:17.29`	`Dashkal`	`Patrick_P: Pick the tank spec for whichever DPS spec you enjoy. It'll work`
`00:17.36`	`Amarande`	`when you pirate hardware, the original owner tends not to have theirs anymore, because you took it ... heh`
`00:17.39`	`mikma`	cralor`: change the whole function from what it used to be into this http://mikma.pastey.net/104500
`00:18.02`	`Dashkal`	`Especially after 3.0.8 (when blood becomes Naxx viable)`
`00:18.11`	`Patrick_P`	`k... but all my guildies are pushing me to take dw frost... they are dumb`
`00:18.25`	`Amarande`	`Dash: I thought they were nerfing DKs, not boosting them?`
`00:18.27`	`cbreak`	`no!`
`00:18.29`	`Dashkal`	`Yes, yes they are stupid`
`00:18.33`	`Amarande`	`so how would blood become Naxx viable then?`
`00:18.33`	`Dashkal`	`DW == Parry-gib`
`00:18.35`	`cbreak`	`frost rocks!`
`00:18.40`	`Dashkal`	`Amarande: blood is getting buffed`
`00:19.01`	`mikma`	`dashkal: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0EZ0xZfg0G0fogcq0csut <- i use something like that atm, but i do not tank, yet`
`00:19.17`	`Amarande`	`Dash: lemme guess, because too many PUGs have complained because they get stuck with DK tanks, who turn out to be blood DKs trying to tank and epicfailing`
`00:19.19`	`Dashkal`	`Amarande: WotN is getting improved (pure mitigation under 35 rather than armor), pestelence has no cooldown, frost pressence improved`
`00:19.30`	`Dewin`	`hmm`
`00:19.35`	`Dashkal`	`Amarande: Blood is being improved because it's not even viable atm, let alone competative`
`00:19.37`	`Patrick_P`	`but they nurf boneshield too... will unholly still be a good tanking tree?`
`00:19.59`	`Dewin`	`to drive over to a store in the middle of nowhere to get on a waiting list for a Wii Fit shipment (they won't let me waitlist over the phone, I have to go in person), or to wait and see if Fry's gets it in`
`00:20.02`	`Amarande`	`unholly?`
`00:20.07`	`Dashkal`	`Patrick_P: Frost and Unholy _should_ still be reasonably good. Unholy scaled too well with bone shield (it became a permenant buff at high gear levels)`
`00:20.09`	`Amarande`	`Patrick, I think you've had too many winter veil drinks`
`00:20.09`	Cralor`	`mikma: ok i will test`
`00:20.23`	`Dewin`	`Amarande: It's where you hold threat by waving mistletoe at your opponents`
`00:20.33`	`Dashkal`	`Patrick_P: to put it simply, There is NO BEST tanking tree. Forget the cookie-cutter`
`00:20.46`	`Shirik`	`Holy is best tanking tree`
`00:20.46`	`Dewin`	`Unfortunately, there are a number of thorny issues with unholly spec.`
`00:20.51`	`Patrick_P`	`cool that makes me happy:)`
`00:20.59`	`Shirik`	`or Discipline`
`00:21.02`	`Shirik`	`depends on how you want to tank`
`00:21.06`	`Shirik`	`I like tanking as holy`
`00:21.09`	`Dewin`	`Shirik: meh, I tank as resto mage.`
`00:21.16`	`Dashkal`	`I'm sure hordes of people on EJ would disagree with me, but the therotical best tree only applies at therotical best skill :p`
`00:21.22`	Cralor`	`mikma: works perfect!`
`00:21.27`	`Shirik`	`Yeah, well I consider EJ to be a bunch of crap :)`
`00:21.44`	`Dashkal`	`I use it to make pawn scores for stats. About all it's good for for me :p`
`00:21.47`	`Amarande`	`Dash: are there actually trees that are better than the theoretical best at more normal skill levels?`
`00:22.01`	`Dashkal`	`Amarande: Personally, I believe so. But that's rather subjective`
`00:22.12`	`mikma`	cralor`: ok, then i'll upload that one up. thanks that you brought the issue up
`00:22.24`	`Dashkal`	`I believe that _for me_ blood is the best tree. I'm reasonably proficient with the rotations already`
`00:22.27`	`mikma`	`patrick_p: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0055000000000000000000000000050000000000000000000000000235200300023105203150023133151&glyph=000000000000 <- sorry for the url but it has latest ptr changes in the talents`
`00:22.42`	`mikma`	`that's what i WILL use after they are on live`
`00:22.56`	`Patrick_P`	`but i think blood is good since the 2 blood runes si much easier to keep on cd for blade barrier... i'm having problem to do it atm with my unholy spec...`
`00:23.09`	Cralor`	`mikma: no problem. thank you :D`
`00:23.47`	`Dashkal`	`Patrick_P: here's a reasonable blood spec: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0055000000000000000000000000050000000000000000000000000235200300023105203150023133151&glyph=000000000000`
`00:23.57`	`Patrick_P`	`virulance isn't good for tanks?`
`00:24.03`	`MattBnr`	`i use unholy with soem blood thrown in`
`00:24.07`	`MattBnr`	`some*`
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`00:24.19`	`Dashkal`	`Virulence helps your icy touch (so doesn't hurt), but isn't essential`
`00:24.33`	`Dashkal`	`If you're depending on the new sigil, virulence may be a good idea`
`00:24.34`	`Patrick_P`	`lol dash... it's unholy`
`00:24.42`	`Dashkal`	`oops, wrong url`
`00:24.52`	`Patrick_P`	`i thought it was sarcasm`
`00:24.59`	`Dashkal`	`Try this one: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=2055021533030313201001313502050000000000000000000000000235200000000000000000000000000&glyph=000000000000`
`00:24.59`	`Patrick_P`	`lol`
`00:25.24`	`Patrick_P`	`runetap fail imo`
`00:25.33`	`Dashkal`	`then don't take it :p`
`00:25.50`	`Dashkal`	`I don't tend to have an issue using it. I tend to fire it from a death rune`
`00:25.56`	`Dashkal`	`so blade barrier stays up`
`00:26.24`	`Patrick_P`	`vendeta sucks to... and u don't use spell deflec... this isn't a tank spec.... lol`
`00:26.37`	`Dashkal`	`Spell deflection isn't required.`
`00:26.42`	`Dashkal`	`Vendetta is for threat`
`00:26.55`	`Dashkal`	`If you ignore all the DPS talents you can't hold aggro`
`00:27.22`	`Dashkal`	`This is not burning crusade. The tanks are expected to have a DPS output`
`00:27.28`	`Amarande`	`ah, here's an unoriginal character name`
`00:27.30`	`Amarande`	`"Mitigation"`
`00:27.39`	`Amarande`	`lemme guess, they're probably a tank! ...`
`00:27.59`	`Patrick_P`	`vandeta heals u if u kill a target...`
`00:28.07`	`Patrick_P`	`and u must kill it yourself....`
`00:28.10`	`Dashkal`	`oops, wrong talent`
`00:28.14`	`Patrick_P`	`useless for a tank...`
`00:28.16`	`Patrick_P`	`lol`
`00:28.17`	`Dashkal`	`that was a mistake from clicking too fast`
`00:28.20`	`Patrick_P`	`lawl`
`00:28.22`	`Dashkal`	`Thought oyu meant bloddy vengance`
`00:28.31`	`Amarande`	`just about all talents that require you to score a killing blow are useless in raids, really`
`00:28.31`	`Patrick_P`	`twice wrong talent tree?`
`00:28.36`	`Dashkal`	`Move it to deflection then, or bloddy strikes (do you want anti-spell or +threat)`
`00:28.48`	`Patrick_P`	`kk`
`00:28.50`	`Amarande`	`In 25's, you have maybe 1/20 to 1/23 or so of a chance of actually getting the killing blow`
`00:29.03`	`Dashkal`	`I'd move it to bloddy strikes, personally. Spell deflection doesn't interest me that much`
`00:29.08`	`Amarande`	`since I'm presuming it's going to be basically random who gets it, other than that it won't be a dedicated healer. :)`
`00:29.40`	`Patrick_P`	`anyways thx for the advices... my friend is waiting for me to run him gnomer><`
`00:29.57`	`Dashkal`	`Hysteria is only there because I needed a single point. I would have rathered DRW for personal threat burst, but the tier requirements block that`
`00:29.58`	`KarlKFI`	`Amarande: out MT is a dk named Avoidance`
`00:30.01`	`Kraps`	`i just figured out why theres high level horde in northern HBF`
`00:30.02`	`KarlKFI`	`our*`
`00:30.13`	`Amarande`	`hmm, new WoW t-shirt idea:`
`00:30.23`	`Amarande`	`"I got hopelessly lost in Gnomeregan and all I got was this stupid Delta access card!"`
`00:30.50`	`Amarande`	`Karl: I've never understood un-original names like that`
`00:30.58`	`NeoTron`	`DRW + AotD`
`00:30.58`	`Amarande`	`I can't remember now. Those reportable on a standard PvE server?`
`00:31.02`	`NeoTron`	`= wipe prevention`
`00:31.07`	`Amarande`	`Or only on RP?`
`00:31.14`	`Dashkal`	`AotD?`
`00:31.14`	`KarlKFI`	`just rp`
`00:31.26`	`Dashkal`	`<--acronym fail`
`00:31.28`	`KarlKFI`	`on pve your name doesn't have to be a name at all`
`00:31.29`	`Kraps`	`time to log main`
`00:31.39`	`Patrick_P`	`hysteria could be a nice threat generator tho...`
`00:31.49`	`Dashkal`	`It's dangerous with the bleed component`
`00:31.58`	`Amarande`	`Karl: actually, it can't be an acronym or multiple words`
`00:32.00`	`Dashkal`	`well, health drain? whatever you wanna call it. I don't want to take damage`
`00:32.24`	`NeoTron`	`as a tank I doubt that health drain component would matter that much`
`00:32.29`	`Dashkal`	`Generally I just focus target the highest physical DPS in the group and hit my macro`
`00:32.34`	`Patrick_P`	`yeah but... if your healers can't heal it leave the group`
`00:32.38`	`Dashkal`	`mmm, maybe I should try self-casting it at some point`
`00:32.52`	`Dashkal`	`I'll try it if threat becomes an issue`
`00:34.13`	`Dashkal`	`Entirely possible. We're going to start raiding soon and some of our DPS has been pugging. They outgear the tanks. One warrior routinely pulls when I hit him with hysteria.`
`00:35.19`	`NeoTron`	`in 5 man sI find myself having threat issues on single target mobs now`
`00:35.43`	`NeoTron`	`or rather when I didn't have the "optimal" (mileage might vary) unholy tank spec I had issues`
`00:35.55`	`Dashkal`	`This is why I try to focus on threat once the base mitigation is handled. But I'm not going to tank much until 3.0.8.`
`00:36.23`	`Dashkal`	`I could easily squeeze more mitigation out of that spec, but with reports on how threat-starved DKs are I'm trying to avoid that trap`
`00:40.18`	`Amarande`	`glah`
`00:40.20`	`Amarande`	`missed the damn zepp.`
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`00:41.19`	`Amarande`	`Neo: I'm really not sure how 5-man threat issues come up`
`00:41.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`http://fukung.net/v/4759/1174790907344.jpg`
`00:41.49`	`Amarande`	`I still remember back in BC though in Arcatraz I was running with this lady who had a tank with BT grade gear, and I had to use soulshatter fairly regularly :\|`
`00:42.01`	`Amarande`	`even though I was barely up to snuff for Kara on my lock`
`00:43.09`	`Amarande`	`like, how can she have super mega awesome tank gear and I STILL had to use soulshatter on my scrubby geared lock?`
`00:43.22`	`Amarande`	`or is the answer "soulshatter was meant to have to be used" heh`
`00:43.45`	`KarlKFI`	`BC agro was suxorz`
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`00:45.46`	`NeoTron`	`Amarande: you're aware that in BC at least having BT grade gear while running 5 mans means your threat sucked?`
`00:45.57`	`NeoTron`	`it wasn't uncommon for warriors and druids to remove items or put on dps items`
`00:46.34`	`Amarande`	`actually, yeah, that did occur to me.`
`00:46.46`	`Amarande`	`too much avoidance, IIRC?`
`00:47.08`	`KarlKFI`	`aye, dont take dmg, dont get rage, cant do dmg`
`00:47.16`	`Amarande`	`was it too much avoidance, or too much mitigation, or equally each that was the main factor?`
`00:47.43`	`KarlKFI`	`pallies had the same problem. dont take dmg dont get mana, can't do more dmg`
`00:48.05`	`NeoTron`	`too much avoidance yes`
`00:48.20`	`NeoTron`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:48.23`	`Amarande`	`Neo: ah yes, which DOES mean that I was right about the CB change being a crucial one to help tanks`
`00:48.30`	`cbreak`	`they should get more spirit`
`00:48.36`	`cbreak`	`I have lots of that stuff on my gear you can have`
`00:48.39`	`KarlKFI`	`lol spirit`
`00:48.39`	`NeoTron`	`tanks now also do dps`
`00:48.55`	`Amarande`	`specifically because: the fact that CB is no longer a factor in raids translates pretty simply`
`00:49.09`	`Amarande`	`it means that it is no longer abso-total-lutely necessary to have that 102.4% avoidance against most raid bosses`
`00:49.11`	`KarlKFI`	`they should replay all the ret and prot pally int with spirit`
`00:49.19`	`KarlKFI`	`replace*`
`00:49.24`	`KarlKFI`	`that'd be lol`
`00:49.27`	`NeoTron`	`right you don't need that 102.4% avoidance thingamabob anymore`
`00:49.30`	`Amarande`	`which means that a lot more raiding tanks can do 5-man tanking without epicfailing`
`00:49.41`	`Amarande`	`or having to carry 50 zillion extra pieces of gear`
`00:49.53`	`NeoTron`	`also have more strength and other dps stats now`
`00:51.33`	`foxlit`	`http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/popculture/b2a9/`
`00:51.43`	`Amarande`	`prot didn't seem to need excessive spirit last time I tried it`
`00:51.50`	`Amarande`	`if anything, 3.0 seemed to help prot mana management`
`00:51.59`	`Amarande`	`it was rets that were always worrying about mana`
`00:52.08`	`Amarande`	`at least, once the nerf was put in`
`00:52.16`	`KarlKFI`	`yeah, neither one is really bad atm. they both work`
`00:52.37`	`KarlKFI`	`i still run out of mana ret on long fights, but that's mostly due to the judgement bug`
`00:53.17`	`Amarande`	`bug? I thought that was the nerf that did that`
`00:53.24`	`KarlKFI`	`both`
`00:53.37`	`Amarande`	`all I really remember now about the nerf was "zomg now we're never gonna be able to maintain our dps competitive with other melee dps over the course of raid boss fights"`
`00:53.57`	`KarlKFI`	`there's a bug where judgement dmg doesn't always happen. it'll cast and cause gc but do no dmg and you take no dmg in return, which means less healign and less mana`
`00:54.00`	`Amarande`	`and generally speaking, the affected ret pallies wanted to throw globs of Tainted Ooze at the PvP ret pallies that they blamed for this state of affairs`
`00:54.40`	`KarlKFI`	`seems to only happen when the boss already has the judgement debuff you're judging. but it's sporatic`
`00:54.42`	`Amarande`	`of course, the next WoW expansion pack will easily deal with the stat itemization on gear issue.`
`00:55.02`	`Amarande`	`in the next WoW expansion pack, spellpower, along with all five basic stats from now, will be folded together into one single easy to understand stat called +zomg.`
`00:55.12`	`Amarande`	`if you have enough +zomg, you are good to raid, if you do not, then you are not.`
`00:55.49`	`foxlit`	`Also, http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/981b/`
`00:55.51`	`foxlit`	`N!`
`00:56.15`	`Amarande`	`hmm`
`00:56.36`	`Amarande`	`anyone know if there's a reasonable way besides summoning to get to the "bro" in icecrown for the horde winter veil achievement at 73 in one piece?`
`00:57.07`	`Dashkal`	`I don't believe there is. The quest to fly you there isn't available until 77`
`00:57.20`	`Dashkal`	`Hope they change that. Not cool making horde so much harder than alli`
`00:57.52`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it's actually impossible to summon there, apparently...`
`00:58.09`	`Amarande`	`Night: intentionally impossible, or is this another infamous summon glitch`
`00:58.18`	`Amarande`	`I've noticed summoning has been extremely unreliable for many people since 3.0`
`00:58.26`	`Amarande`	`but I already told you guys the tale about how I broke my guild master`
`00:58.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you'd have to ask blizzard, but the error message indicates you are intentionally unable to summon, as it counts as a 'transport'`
`00:58.39`	`foxlit`	`Dashkal: on the flip side, I hope they change it the other way around`
`00:58.50`	`foxlit`	`Not cool making me run around the old world like a maniac :)`
`00:59.02`	`Amarande`	`hm, do you have to do anything more than ding 77, get cold weather flying and take your netherdrake up there?`
`00:59.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`foxlit: i'd rather be able to run around the world and get the achievment on my 70 than be screwed :P`
`00:59.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Amarande: you have to have mistletoe..`
`00:59.29`	`Amarande`	`yeah, I have that`
`00:59.42`	`foxlit`	`Your 70 is a slacker and you should've brought all your alts to 82 already.`
`00:59.52`	`Amarande`	`can you just fly on your netherdrake to the horde outpost in icecrown or do you have to do something special?`
`01:00.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`... you fly there. dismount. target the dude. use your mistletoe. it's not freakin rocket science`
`01:01.02`	`foxlit`	`YOU GET EATEN BY A GIANT ANGRY BEAR.`
`01:01.11`	`foxlit`	`BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT 80.`
`01:01.13`	`foxlit`	`:)`
`01:01.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`^^ and blizzard thugs come and break your legs`
`01:01.37`	`Shirik`	`YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE EATEN BY A GRUE`
`01:01.45`	`*** part/#wowuidev Dewin (n=Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net)`
`01:02.02`	`foxlit`	`IT IS VERY DARK. YOU LIKELY HAVE BEEN EATEN BY A GRUE.`
`01:02.07`	`Tekkub`	`mmmm bears`
`01:02.21`	`WobWork`	`Tekkub: no, eaten in the not nice way`
`01:02.30`	`KarlKFI`	`It's not rocket surgery, as my ex-reaid leader would say`
`01:02.37`	`Amarande`	`Night: the way Northrend is designed? I wouldn't be surprised if there -was- a special thing you had to do.`
`01:02.41`	`Tekkub`	`you just need to learn how to calm angry bears`
`01:03.01`	`Amarande`	`Solo progression-enforcement ... it's getting to be like Guild Wars, LOL`
`01:03.04`	`zenzelezz`	`ah, "rocket surgery"... I don't know where the expression originated, but I'll always remember it from the good old "How Juggernaut learned Naxxramas" picture`
`01:03.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`perhaps you should consider rephrasing your question to something less moronically vague`
`01:03.20`	`Amarande`	`zenzelezz: from an amalgamation of 'brain surgery' and 'rocket science'`
`01:03.26`	`Cide`	`...`
`01:03.30`	`KarlKFI`	`lol`
`01:03.36`	`zenzelezz`	`Amarande: let me rephrase. I don't know who came up with it first`
`01:03.44`	`Amarande`	`Night: yeah, I more meant "is there some sort of special quest necessary in order for the Horde area in Icecrown to be accessible, or can you simply fly there"`
`01:03.57`	`Amarande`	`because with this phasing thing, you can't be sure about anything unfamiliar anymore`
`01:04.14`	`kd3`	`ama; get to level 78 and go to the flight master in dalaran`
`01:04.21`	`Amarande`	`kd3: wasn't it 77?`
`01:04.23`	`Amarande`	`or did they up it?`
`01:04.24`	`kd3`	`you'll have a new quest waiting for you from the whorde quest giver`
`01:04.27`	`kd3`	`whatever level`
`01:04.37`	`Amarande`	`ah, I thought you were speaking of cold weather flying`
`01:04.47`	`foxlit`	`You can also just fly there yourself.`
`01:04.51`	`Amarande`	`Ah, good.`
`01:04.53`	`foxlit`	`The boat will still be around.`
`01:05.02`	`kd3`	`fox; but that takes the fun out of learning the answer for yourself`
`01:05.03`	`Amarande`	`I'm trying to maintain some reasonable semblance of progression through the zones. :)`
`01:05.07`	`WobWork`	`It's just harder to find somehwere to land =)`
`01:05.17`	`Amarande`	`And I'm probably going to hit 77 LONG before I'm going anywhere near Icecrown progression-wise.`
`01:05.32`	`foxlit`	`kd3: you're right.`
`01:05.33`	`WobWork`	`I'm 78 and just doing storm thingies`
`01:05.38`	`foxlit`	`BUT WE DID NOT TELL HER ABOUT THE BEAR!`
`01:05.39`	`WobWork`	`peaks`
`01:05.41`	`Amarande`	`From what I've been gathering, people have been mainly hitting 80 in Zul'drak or Sholazar, if not earlier`
`01:05.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`WobWork: >< i once died because i dismounted in an awkward place on the airship, and fell through t he ship..`
`01:05.45`	`kd3`	`I hit 80 in grizzly hills, so... yeah.`
`01:05.52`	`Dashkal`	`I hit 77 in ZD, 80 in the beginning of SP`
`01:05.55`	`Codayus`	`I'm 78 and I'm not done with Grizzly Hills yet.`
`01:06.04`	`Amarande`	`Night: I still remember the time I got stuck in the rigging on the horde zeppelin and had to hearth off it :S`
`01:06.06`	`Dashkal`	`I did very little instancing, though`
`01:06.09`	`foxlit`	`You're all cra-zy`
`01:06.16`	`WobWork`	`of course, most DKs started northrend at 68 rather than 70`
`01:06.16`	`Codayus`	`I've done...6 instances.`
`01:06.24`	`Fisker-`	`Shirik`
`01:06.27`	`Fisker-`	`i consume you`
`01:06.28`	`kd3`	`meh, I got the alliance ship fixed because of getting stuck underneath it`
`01:06.30`	`Amarande`	`I did Nexus once I acquired all the quests for it, I presume I shall do the same with UK`
`01:06.34`	`kd3`	`now we get to fly wherever we want on the ship`
`01:06.34`	`Amarande`	`and the same for further zones`
`01:06.35`	`Dashkal`	`WobWork: I dealt with that by doing BT until 70, then moving to HFj`
`01:06.49`	`WobWork`	`The UK quests are gained from the starting town in HF`
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`01:06.55`	`Dashkal`	`kd3: you did that? thankyouthankyouthankyou`
`01:06.56`	`frop`	`delo`
`01:07.08`	`Dashkal`	`I had to strip and jump out the bomb bay...`
`01:07.10`	`Amarande`	`Yeah, I make a point to go to a new continent at 60/70 instead of 58/68`
`01:07.12`	`foxlit`	`# Toys in the attic, [you are] crazy. They must have taken [your] marbles away...`
`01:07.25`	`frop`	`anyone know if it's possible to change the sex of your toon?`
`01:07.32`	`kd3`	`frop; yup`
`01:07.38`	`frop`	`RLY???`
`01:07.42`	`frop`	`WHERE?`
`01:07.45`	`Amarande`	`frop: via the paid name and other things change service`
`01:07.47`	`Dashkal`	`You're going to have to pay real $ for it, though`
`01:07.51`	`kd3`	`the paid change service`
`01:07.53`	`Amarande`	`although this is on my lock, who was 70 for a good while before northrend even came out`
`01:07.57`	`Amarande`	`but I'd still wait till 70 to go to northrend`
`01:08.02`	`frop`	`doesn't matter :)`
`01:08.06`	`frop`	`gonna do it now!!!`
`01:08.18`	`Amarande`	`Of course, I don't even go to Outland till 63 now on new characters`
`01:08.52`	`Dashkal`	`Yech, I hated the 50-60 zones so much. I'm in HfP immediately at 58`
`01:09.01`	`frop`	`15`
`01:09.02`	`foxlit`	`If you're leveling a DK, it makes sense to jump into Northrend at 68.`
`01:09.08`	`Dashkal`	`No I do NOT want to get you 15 carrion grubs fordring`
`01:09.11`	`frop`	`it's a new feature thought :)`
`01:09.26`	`Amarande`	`ah, the opposite here Dash`
`01:09.36`	`Amarande`	`I <3 the Plaguelands, Silithus, and especially the beautiful Winterspring`
`01:09.53`	`foxlit`	`zone of purple-tintent boredom, you mean.`
`01:09.55`	`Amarande`	`I tend to have a specific questing roadmap planned out, too`
`01:09.55`	`kd3`	`hate all 3. spent too much time grinding there back at 60`
`01:10.04`	`Amarande`	`said roadmap used to get me to 61 as it was`
`01:10.04`	`Dashkal`	`Silithus I dislike because I have an irrational fear of the grubs in the silithid caves`
`01:10.14`	`Amarande`	`now with the 60-70 xp nerf, it gets me to 63 on the same quests`
`01:10.19`	`foxlit`	`Dashkal: the good thing is that you don't really have to touch the caves.`
`01:10.22`	`Dashkal`	`Made mining mithril a pain... there was so much in the tanaris hives...`
`01:10.41`	`Amarande`	`I only fear the silithids in certain cases with certain classes`
`01:11.02`	`Dashkal`	`It;s totally irational. I can't look at a wood bug in real life. Absolutely terrifies me`
`01:11.11`	`Amarande`	`and that's probably because on my priest in particular, I never used PW:S as often as I should have`
`01:11.44`	`foxlit`	`They should just let you replace certain models with killer bunnies.`
`01:11.56`	`Dashkal`	`The beast of Caer'bannog!`
`01:12.01`	`Dashkal`	`(or hoever that's spelt)`
`01:12.03`	`Dashkal`	`however*`
`01:12.08`	`Dashkal`	`~fail Dashkal`
`01:12.09`	`purl`	`Dashkal: FAIL!`
`01:12.09`	`Amarande`	`Vorpal Bunny - Level 92 Beast (Elite)`
`01:12.53`	`foxlit`	`It's 2am, and I'm pondering what to buy off thinkgeek`
`01:12.55`	`Amarande`	`The main issue I had with silithids was getting killed on certain classes versus the types that have Swarmers`
`01:13.06`	`Amarande`	`because, in 2.x, I would get spell pushbacked into oblivion and thus not be able to fight`
`01:13.10`	`kd3`	`soloing those guys at 60 was fun`
`01:13.20`	`Dashkal`	`yech. wtb greater thorns?`
`01:13.21`	`foxlit`	`kd3: before the elite nerf.`
`01:13.24`	`kd3`	`yes`
`01:13.32`	`Amarande`	`It was the same reason I could never solo Stratholme at 70 as aff`
`01:13.40`	`kd3`	`especially when I needed the 200 badges for the scepter chain`
`01:13.47`	`Amarande`	`I'd have to go through the trap with the rats, and the rats would keep DPSing me down too quickly`
`01:13.59`	`Amarande`	`and pushback ensured that I couldn't AoE them out`
`01:14.06`	`foxlit`	`voidwalker much?`
`01:14.20`	`Amarande`	`because all warlock AoE is channeled, except for SoC (which has pushback, anyway)`
`01:14.20`	`foxlit`	`(a) aoe taunt (b) shield.`
`01:14.41`	`Amarande`	`I <3 the new spell pushback`
`01:15.10`	`Amarande`	`aka "pushback only tokenly exists anymore!"`
`01:19.41`	`WobWork`	`what about hellfire?`
`01:20.45`	`NeoTron`	`hellfire hurts you`
`01:21.03`	`NeoTron`	`and, of course, channeled`
`01:21.20`	`Amarande`	`yeah, the latter being the main thing`
`01:21.33`	`Amarande`	`I couldn't use rain of fire or hellfire without getting aggro and being rat food`
`01:21.53`	`Amarande`	`and then I probably got a goodly dose of scourge virus and lost half my flesh and started lumbering around stratholme`
`01:31.00`	`Patrick_P`	`LUA!`
`01:31.06`	`Patrick_P`	`lol`
`01:31.14`	`krka`	`Patrick_P: I think you meant to say Lua there. ^_^`
`01:31.23`	`Patrick_P`	`bot:P`
`01:32.45`	`Patrick_P`	`if i write my name in caps... it's still my name no? why Lua's so different? lol`
`01:36.02`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`actually, there IS a difference between LUA and Lua. or between Patrick_P and PATRICK_P. your choice to ignore the difference for your own name is your perogative. :p`
`01:36.25`	`mikma`	`nighthawkthesane: i love it when you talk dirty to us`
`01:36.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`prerogative*`
`01:36.51`	`foxlit`	`YOU MAY READ THIS AS SHOUTING, BUT I'M ACTUALLY SPEAKING IN A CONVERSATIONAL TONE.`
`01:38.01`	`NeoTron`	`foxlit: if you speak while typing I'm scared`
`01:38.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`he also moves his lips when reading`
`01:38.39`	`foxlit`	`Hah, so NHTS must be watching.`
`01:39.01`	`foxlit`	`Or perhaps that was a bit of self-reflection.`
`01:39.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`no, i actually have you under video surveillance.`
`01:39.52`	`foxlit`	`That seems... wasteful.`
`01:40.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i got bored watching NeoTron :p`
`01:43.22`	`WobWork`	`He's watching your lips...`
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`01:49.27`	`NeoTron`	`http://www.amazon.com/INFLATABLE-HUSBAND/dp/B000VRF0J8/ref=pd_sbs_misc_32 ...`
`01:51.25`	`Olorin`	`anyone know an alternative for UnitIsConnected("Name") since it doesnt appear to work just want to test if a person is online`
`01:52.09`	`WobWork`	`Doesn't break wind? What if he springs a leak?`
`01:53.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/screenshots/95895d1229374265-funny-strange-random-pics-24mcj1g.jpg`
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`02:01.12`	`mikma`	`hmmmrph`
`02:01.43`	`mikma`	`maybe i should apply in a raiding guilg so i would get EoV's that can be used to buy tanking-gear`
`02:03.29`	`cbreak`	`on my server, some encounters are picked up`
`02:08.07`	`Corrodias`	`well, i just learned the hard-yet-hilarious way that aluminum cans, at least (or perhaps especially) containing pressurized beer, are not very resistant to puncture by a knife when trying to cut open a box.`
`02:13.09`	`Olorin`	`oops... hands over a towel`
`02:15.43`	`Olorin`	`cant seem to find an alternative to UnitIsConnected or UnitExists since they return nil unless your grouped :/`
`02:17.04`	`mikma`	`wa?`
`02:17.14`	`Adys`	`UnitExists doesnt`
`02:17.26`	`mikma`	`unitexists requires unitid`
`02:17.33`	`cbreak`	`that's normal`
`02:17.37`	`mikma`	`UnitExists("target")`
`02:18.07`	`cbreak`	`UnitExists works fine outside of groups and raids`
`02:18.34`	`mikma`	`ya`
`02:18.50`	`mikma`	`olorin: what are you trying to do?`
`02:19.02`	`Olorin`	`I want to check through a list of character names then invite if they are connected.`
`02:19.22`	`Adys`	`err`
`02:19.23`	`Olorin`	`could just do unitinvite all of them but they spam back if not online`
`02:19.39`	`cbreak`	`you don't have unit ids?`
`02:20.20`	`Adys`	`if they're in guild you can just check if they're online`
`02:20.23`	`Olorin`	`have character names....`
`02:20.31`	`mikma`	`propably need to use who-list hacks`
`02:20.33`	`cbreak`	`char names are worthless`
`02:20.44`	`cbreak`	`unit functions only work on unit ids`
`02:20.47`	`Adys`	`are they all in guild, Olorin`
`02:21.10`	`Olorin`	`hmm yes`
`02:21.23`	`Adys`	`then you can check who's online (i dont know how to do that tho)`
`02:21.33`	`Olorin`	`ok thanks :)`
`02:21.35`	`Adys`	`otherwise you're better off catching and hiding the spam`
`02:21.39`	`Adys`	`rather than using /who hacks`
`02:22.58`	`jaxdahl`	`servers are so laggy tonight due to arenas going on`
`02:23.08`	`jaxdahl`	`network lag is at 1000ms`
`02:25.32`	`Olorin`	`ouch gotta go through GetGuildRosterInfo to get online status of one chacter, grrr`
`02:26.00`	`cbreak`	`you can get the status of all at once that way`
`02:26.07`	`Adys`	`Olorin:`
`02:26.14`	`Adys`	`what cbreak said basically :P`
`02:27.10`	`mikma`	`http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=wulff&i=1095`
`02:27.31`	`mikma`	`in long time, i don't get what's the idea behind that one.`
`02:28.04`	`Olorin`	`ya but i wanted to just go through a table of names and is online check each not have to check them against the whole guild roster....its fine, ill quit my grumbling lol`
`02:28.59`	`cbreak`	`why does it matter?`
`02:29.16`	`cbreak`	`all you want to do is to (a) find out if a character is in your guild, and (b) if he is online`
`02:29.29`	`cbreak`	`if (a) is true, then (b) can be answered with the roster.`
`02:29.36`	`cbreak`	`if (a) is false, then it can not.`
`02:29.53`	`cbreak`	`you could just invite anyway, check with who, or add to friend list and then check`
`02:31.00`	`Adys`	`im debugging some code atm`
`02:31.10`	`Adys`	`sometimes you wonder...`
`02:31.16`	`Adys`	`if c == "c": c = "s" or c`
`02:31.24`	`Olorin`	`:) just being akward...`
`02:35.15`	`cbreak`	`is that lua?`
`02:35.26`	`cbreak`	`or c++?`
`02:35.42`	`cbreak`	`hmm... no...`
`02:36.27`	`Adys`	`cbreak: python`
`02:36.33`	`Shirik`	`looks more like python`
`02:36.36`	`Shirik`	`blah`
`02:36.38`	`Shirik`	`but I don't know python so`
`02:36.47`	`Shirik`	`but python is very strange`
`02:36.51`	`cbreak`	`don't know python.`
`02:36.59`	`Adys`	`i dont think ":" is used in any language like lua/c++`
`02:37.07`	`Shirik`	`C++ has a :`
`02:37.09`	`Shirik`	`as does C`
`02:37.13`	`cbreak`	`yes.`
`02:37.15`	`Shirik`	`only when paired with a ? though`
`02:37.19`	`Adys`	`in this syntax?`
`02:37.19`	`Adys`	`yeah`
`02:37.21`	`Shirik`	`except C++'s inheretance`
`02:37.32`	`cbreak`	`c == 'c'? a : b;`
`02:37.35`	`cbreak`	`or hmm...`
`02:37.45`	`Shirik`	`careful`
`02:37.52`	`cbreak`	`I rarely use that`
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`02:38.54`	`Shirik`	`actually sorry, that was right`
`02:39.20`	`Shirik`	`ternary operator's precedence always confuses me, so I just overuse parens`
`02:47.04`	`WobWork`	`PS`
`02:47.22`	`WobWork`	`single character variables unless an index iterator makes baby jesus cry`
`02:51.33`	`Adys`	`WobWork: i no`
`02:52.32`	`WobWork`	`woo cool... http://www.rincondelmisterio.com/derinkuyu-la-misteriosa-ciudad-subterranea-de-turquia/en/`
`02:53.30`	`WobWork`	`I love the comments`
`02:53.33`	`WobWork`	`"I've been to this place. The guide kept telling us they used it during the "battle times." I'm awesome."`
`02:59.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`http://applecanceledchristmas.com/`
`03:00.45`	`mikma`	`wobwork: you! explain me this: http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/wulff/1095/20081217.gif`
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`03:05.18`	`WobWork`	`mikma: should I be able to?`
`03:05.51`	`mikma`	`wobwork: well yea, you are twistedminded and you should be able to explain that`
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`03:09.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`mikma: what the crap?`
`03:12.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://sg-27.modsite.org/`
`03:17.13`	`Shirik`	`woot`
`03:17.15`	`Shirik`	`raid crashed`
`03:22.32`	`Adys`	`Amarande: back yet?`
`03:22.35`	`Adys`	`:P`
`03:26.57`	`Shirik`	`raid just crashed again`
`03:26.58`	`Shirik`	`wheeeeeee`
`03:27.13`	`Shirik`	`seems like 4 horsemen is having trouble`
`03:28.22`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`THEY're having trouble?`
`03:28.38`	`Shirik`	`well`
`03:28.42`	`Shirik`	`every time we pull them, everyone disconnects`
`03:28.46`	`Shirik`	`which I assume is a crash`
`03:29.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`nope, it's the first phase of their attacks`
`03:30.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`DDoS`
`03:30.27`	`Shirik`	`o nice`
`03:30.29`	`Shirik`	`got new abilities`
`03:34.41`	`mikma`	`nighthawkthesane: poop?`
`03:35.57`	`Shirik`	`aaand we all crashed again`
`03:36.03`	`Shirik`	`that's 3 times :(`
`03:40.16`	`kd3`	`this is where I point and laugh and reminisce about the summer of 06 when that's all medivh used to do was crash in naxx`
`03:42.28`	`Tem\|afk`	`oh lol`
`03:42.38`	`Tem\|afk`	`I just got an email inviting me to play with google app engine`
`03:42.43`	`Tem\|afk`	`I signed up for that like a year ago`
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`03:57.57`	`WobWork`	`~740/4`
`03:57.58`	`purl`	`185`
`03:58.29`	`WobWork`	`(for my BiL)`
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`04:11.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yay, red winter cloths pattern`
`04:12.12`	`\|pez\|`	`sucks horde only gets green. :P`
`04:12.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`<-- horde`
`04:12.30`	`\|pez\|`	`.. whaat?`
`04:12.33`	`\|pez\|`	`and you got red?`
`04:12.37`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`indeed.`
`04:12.49`	`\|pez\|`	`I'm pretty sure EU horde all gets green.`
`04:12.53`	`\|pez\|`	`Or, was.`
`04:13.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`well. it took a few deaths in IF to do it, but i got it. :p`
`04:13.06`	`\|pez\|`	`It was like that last year, iirc.`
`04:13.12`	`\|pez\|`	`... haah`
`04:13.20`	`Tem\|afk`	`So`
`04:13.27`	`\|pez\|`	`How did you actually do that? :P`
`04:13.28`	`Tem\|afk`	`I just got a scam email`
`04:13.36`	`Tem\|afk`	`is there someplace I should post it?`
`04:13.42`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i ran in through the front door, talked to the vendor, and purchased it?`
`04:13.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`>.>`
`04:13.47`	`Tem\|afk`	`or shall I just hit "report spam" and never see it again?`
`04:14.00`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tem\|afk: is there something wrong with the "report spam" button?`
`04:14.07`	`WobWork`	`^`
`04:14.12`	`Tem\|afk`	`well I was thinking like`
`04:14.18`	`\|pez\|`	`NightHawkTheSane: Aaha. :P`
`04:14.23`	`Tem\|afk`	`so someone could stop the scammer or something`
`04:14.24`	`Tem\|afk`	`I dunno`
`04:17.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`\|pez\|: the vendors that sell it are friendly to anyone, so as long as you can -get- to them, and be alive long enough to purchase it.. :p`
`04:20.51`	`Adys`	`the report spam button for emails is broken`
`04:20.55`	`Adys`	`every relog the mail pops back`
`04:20.57`	`Adys`	`its not deleted`
`04:22.22`	`Tem\|afk`	`Adys, in gmail?`
`04:22.32`	`Adys`	`ingame`
`04:22.41`	`Tem\|afk`	`oh`
`04:22.44`	`Adys`	`oh wait`
`04:22.47`	`Adys`	`you meant in gmail?`
`04:22.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`NightHawkTheSane: makes me wonder if freerefills still works`
`04:22.57`	`Tem\|afk`	`was it not clear that I was talking about a real mail?`
`04:23.05`	`Adys`	`dude its 6am here`
`04:23.21`	`Tem\|afk`	`NHTS, WobWork ^^`
`04:23.31`	`Adys`	`also yeah just report spam`
`04:23.42`	`mikma`	`ya, 6:23am`
`04:23.51`	`mikma`	`still up =/`
`04:24.21`	`WobWork`	`Tem\|afk: You should have specified =P`
`04:24.34`	`WobWork`	`I was guessing "out of game" til you said "report spam button" =P`
`04:24.48`	`Tem\|afk`	`gmail has a report spam button`
`04:24.53`	`WobWork`	`use it`
`04:25.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`^^`
`04:25.02`	`WobWork`	`I can't imagine there's much it can do wrong`
`04:25.08`	`Tem\|afk`	`but that only filters it`
`04:25.13`	`WobWork`	`if at least update the baysian weights`
`04:25.15`	`Tem\|afk`	`(and adds to gmail's filter)`
`04:25.48`	`WobWork`	`If you -really- want to do something about it, report it to the ISP it comes through`
`04:26.03`	`WobWork`	`check the header`
`04:26.23`	`WobWork`	`even if it's using a redirect server, you can at least let that server know it's open to that`
`04:26.25`	`Shirik`	`A java.net.MalformedURLException has occurred, but the system should still function normally. Press "Show Details" for a stack trace.`
`04:26.30`	`Shirik`	`I try to click "Show Details" BUT IT ALREADY LOCKED UP`
`04:29.02`	`Tem\|afk`	`:(`
`04:32.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`ya Shirik, thats sounds likes it's working noramally`
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`04:41.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`NightHawkTheSane: lol i just picked up the quest to save metzen in IF`
`04:41.37`	`Pytlask`	`Anybody here use Wine to play WoW?`
`04:41.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`a few`
`04:42.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`kd3 i think`
`04:42.27`	`kd3`	`hm?`
`04:42.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`do you use wine?`
`04:42.50`	`kd3`	`yes`
`04:43.00`	`kd3`	`so do bleeter and Adys among others`
`04:43.16`	`Pytlask`	`kd3: Just started using Wine for WoW, but it doesn't seem to be saving any settings (saved variables or .wtf files). Any ideas?`
`04:43.31`	`Adys`	`did you check permissions on the WTF folder`
`04:43.46`	`kd3`	`if you've installed wow in windows, make sure you've mounted that partition read/write`
`04:44.04`	`Pytlask`	`Nope, installed it directly with Wine via the downloader`
`04:44.36`	`kd3`	`then double-check ~/.wine and make sure you have write permission`
`04:44.59`	`kd3`	`from a shell: chmod -R u+rwX ~/.wine`
`04:45.24`	`Adys`	`~/.wine/drive_c to be precise`
`04:45.45`	`Adys`	`since it cant start anyway if its not clean`
`04:45.45`	`Adys`	`<shrugs>`
`04:47.08`	`Pytlask`	`hmm, should that require a restart to take effect?`
`04:47.21`	`Adys`	`a wow restart you mean?`
`04:47.24`	`kd3`	`wow, sure`
`04:47.25`	`WobWork`	`><`
`04:47.26`	`Adys`	`do it while wow is closed`
`04:47.34`	`WobWork`	`I have a function that pulls the first 1000 entries from a list`
`04:47.40`	`Pytlask`	`I know it would require a WoW restart ;) I'm wondering about system restart`
`04:47.46`	`kd3`	`no`
`04:47.52`	`WobWork`	`and then removes those entries from the original list and returns the selection`
`04:48.11`	`WobWork`	`however, I fail to remove the 1000 entries from the -correct- list`
`04:48.18`	`WobWork`	`and wonder why it keeps returning an empty list`
`04:49.00`	`MentalPower`	`WobWork: code?`
`04:49.37`	`Pytlask`	`kd3/Adys: Hmm, nope, doesn't seem to be working :(`
`04:49.49`	`Adys`	`what happens exactly?`
`04:50.18`	`Pytlask`	`Nothing :P I login in order to try to get it to save settings (specifically testing based off of whether the movie shows and whether it remembers the realm)`
`04:50.26`	`MentalPower`	`almost nothing in linux requires a system restart (save a kernel upgrade)`
`04:50.28`	`Pytlask`	`and quit, then try again`
`04:50.44`	`WobWork`	`MentalPower: nah, it's just a facepalm in my methodology =P`
`04:51.02`	`WobWork`	`Trying too hard to simplify things means you often miss the simple things`
`04:51.05`	`kd3`	`how are you starting wow?`
`04:51.11`	`MentalPower`	`WobWork: fair nuf`
`04:51.11`	`Pytlask`	`Desktop icon`
`04:51.29`	`Adys`	`Pytlask: where's wow installed?`
`04:52.13`	`Pytlask`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:52.15`	`Tem\|afk`	`anyone in game right now?`
`04:52.28`	`Tem\|afk`	`can you do me a favor and /dump GameTooltipText:GetFont()`
`04:52.37`	`kd3`	`try this: open up a terminal window and run the command wine "c:/program files/world of warcraft/wow.exe"`
`04:52.40`	`Tem\|afk`	`and GameTooltipTextSmall:GetFont()`
`04:53.59`	`Pytlask`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:54.21`	`kd3`	`what distro are you using?`
`04:54.38`	`Pytlask`	`Ubuntu (Intrepid)`
`04:55.28`	`MentalPower`	`Tem\|afk: I'm not ingame, but looking at Fonts.xml and FontStyles.xml, both of those are Fritz Quadrata`
`04:55.58`	`Adys`	`Pytlask: chown -R yourname\: ~/.wine/drive_c`
`04:56.22`	`Adys`	`replace yourname by your username`
`04:56.25`	`Shirik`	`wtf is \:`
`04:56.41`	`Adys`	`a smiley turned to the left`
`04:56.51`	`Shirik`	`why is it in your chown`
`04:57.09`	`Adys`	`Im not sure thats how i always used chown`
`04:57.16`	`Shirik`	`what does it do?`
`04:57.25`	`Adys`	`changes owner to yourself`
`04:57.27`	`Shirik`	`I've always seen chown name:group or chown name.group`
`04:57.34`	`Shirik`	`not this crazy \:`
`04:57.36`	`Pytlask`	`Adys: same result :(`
`04:57.44`	`Adys`	`group is not required`
`04:57.49`	`kd3`	`wtf...`
`04:57.52`	`Shirik`	`yes but I'm still missing what the \: is for`
`04:58.02`	`kd3`	`pyt; try logging all the way in to one of your characters?`
`04:58.34`	`kd3`	`unless something's horribly broken wow should save stuff to disk before you get to that point`
`04:59.02`	`Adys`	`also did you try just clearing off WTF/ and Cache/ ?`
`04:59.07`	`Pytlask`	`same logging all the way in :(`
`04:59.14`	`Pytlask`	`Adys: yup`
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`05:01.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik, might be a shortcut, same as ~`
`05:02.06`	`Shirik`	`shortcut for what?`
`05:02.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`self`
`05:02.17`	`Shirik`	`why can't you just do`
`05:02.22`	`Shirik`	`chown -R yourname ...`
`05:02.26`	`Shirik`	`that's 2 characters shorter`
`05:02.38`	`Adys`	`i always tabcomplete it`
`05:02.42`	`Adys`	`and it always gives me :\`
`05:02.43`	`WobWork`	`now you're just being difficult, Shirik!`
`05:02.49`	`Shirik`	`ok no`
`05:02.53`	`Shirik`	`now Adys finally answered my question`
`05:02.58`	`Shirik`	`I didn't realize tab complete would do that`
`05:03.01`	`Adys`	`\: even`
`05:03.03`	`Shirik`	`that makes sense now`
`05:04.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`glad you feel better now`
`05:09.07`	`Pytlask`	`kd3/Adys: Any other ideas?`
`05:09.19`	`Adys`	`none sorry`
`05:09.20`	`Adys`	`though`
`05:09.30`	`Adys`	`if you delete your wtf folder`
`05:09.40`	`Adys`	`and it recreates it... theres no reason its permissions`
`05:10.10`	`kd3`	`ya. I'm stumped. nothing should be preventing wine/wow from writing to those folders.`
`05:10.17`	`kd3`	`anyway, brb. playing with a new nvidia driver`
`05:10.29`	`Adys`	`tell me your highest score kd3`
`05:12.30`	`Pytlask`	`haha, figured out my problem. Had an additional config.wtf in the main WoW folder as well as one in the WTF folder`
`05:12.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`that stoped you from writing?`
`05:13.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`er..saving`
`05:13.15`	`Pytlask`	`No, it was just reading from the Config.wtf file in the main folder every time ;)`
`05:13.19`	`Pytlask`	`and writing to the other one`
`05:29.06`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`05:29.11`	`Shirik`	`guitar hero now has a full-band version?`
`05:30.11`	`haste`	`based on ZP it does`
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`05:34.24`	`Tem\|afk`	`Shirik, yeah, World Tour`
`05:34.46`	`Shirik`	`Largest Heal Cast: 98038`
`05:35.56`	`kd3`	`hokay... now I've got the 177 drivers installed. hrm.`
`05:36.09`	`Shirik`	`is krka around?`
`05:36.24`	`Shirik`	`Or maybe Iriel`
`05:42.55`	`batrick`	`not to worry shirik i am here`
`05:43.01`	`Shirik`	`Do you know OSGi?`
`05:43.27`	`batrick`	`nope`
`05:43.59`	`Shirik`	`:(`
`05:48.03`	`Tekkub`	`Open Stargate Interface?`
`05:48.15`	`Tekkub`	`I don't know it, but I do know they plug into USB`
`05:48.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`everything plugs into usb`
`05:52.16`	`Shirik`	`Okay, gurus of the UNIX world. I have a bunch of folders like ./foo/src/main/java ./bar/src/main/java, etc`
`05:52.33`	`Shirik`	`I need to move their contents into ./`
`05:52.43`	`Shirik`	`is that just cp ./*/src/main/java ./ ?`
`05:52.54`	`Shirik`	`er`
`05:52.57`	`Shirik`	`cp -R`
`05:53.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`sounds right`
`05:54.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`well cp would copy though`
`05:54.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`if you want to move its mv`
`05:54.06`	`Shirik`	`yeah`
`05:54.11`	`Shirik`	`Either way I don't care`
`05:54.22`	`Shirik`	`I just need to build the damn javadocs for like.... 30 projects`
`05:55.48`	`Shirik`	`that's what I like about netbeans though, if I just point it to the source, it builds the javadocs on-the-fly so I can see them while I'm typing code :)`
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`06:03.06`	`Iriel`	`what?`
`06:03.25`	`Iriel`	`OSGi, I know it somewhat`
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`06:07.56`	`Shirik`	`Iriel, I'm working on embedding OSGi into a modular app, but I'm a little confused and I want to just verify what I'm thinking is sane.`
`06:08.34`	`Shirik`	`Every example I've seen shows "starting" a bundle through a command line interface to OSGi. Can I start bundles from my app? I can't have the user typing these commands out to activate modules, naturally`
`06:08.42`	`Shirik`	`I think I should be able to, I just want to confirm that`
`06:10.22`	`Iriel`	`Yes, you can interact with the manager via API calls`
`06:10.33`	`Iriel`	`the examples tend to be CLI based because they want you to have a playground to experiment in`
`06:10.46`	`Shirik`	`Okay good good`
`06:11.01`	`Iriel`	`The 'real world' examples i've seen dont use CLI's`
`06:11.15`	`Shirik`	`Yeah I figured that had to be the case, since as far as I know, Eclipse uses OSGi`
`06:11.25`	`Iriel`	`indeed, it does`
`06:11.57`	`Iriel`	`though its package updater is a fine example of how NOT to expose the underlying details of bundle management, IMHO`
`06:12.37`	`Shirik`	`heh :)`
`06:13.20`	`Shirik`	`I'm not really using them as an example to base the work off of, I just heard of them as an example that works and kinda acts as a proof of concept for me`
`06:13.27`	`Iriel`	`Which implementation are you using ?`
`06:13.31`	`Shirik`	`Felix`
`06:13.49`	`Iriel`	`that's the one i've played with too (and the one the content management tool we're looking at uses)`
`06:14.09`	`Shirik`	`I thought about using Eclipse's (I forgot the name) but Apache seems to have very good documentation so I considered that a plus`
`06:19.25`	`Shirik`	`Thanks for the advice Iriel :)`
`06:24.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`that will be $20 Shirik`
`06:24.50`	`Shirik`	`maybe to Iriel`
`06:24.54`	`Shirik`	`to you.... I don't think so :P`
`06:25.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`no, not to me`
`06:25.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`$5 to me`
`06:25.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`for coordinating`
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`06:35.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`gay the alliance got wintergrasp on my server because we had like 300+ people there and it lagged so hard you couldnt do anything`
`06:35.57`	`Pytlask`	`Adys/kd3: You guys still there? (or anyone else familiar with using Wine to run WoW)`
`06:36.04`	`Adys`	`yea`
`06:36.19`	`Adys`	`Arrowmaster: horde got it yesterday because of that`
`06:36.38`	`Pytlask`	`Adys: Whenever the game loads (either starting up or logging in to a character), my sound PCM value is set to 0 (using OSS). Any idea on a fix?`
`06:36.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`its perty much the attackers win if it lags that bad right`
`06:36.53`	`Adys`	`Pytlask: use alsa? :P`
`06:36.58`	`Adys`	`Arrowmaster: aye`
`06:37.09`	`Pytlask`	`Alsa sound is VERY buggy for me :(`
`06:37.36`	`Adys`	`you said you were using ubuntu?`
`06:37.37`	`Pytlask`	`Oh well, might just have to stick with manually upping PCM every time I open the game. Or perhaps write a script to check it every so often and reset it`
`06:37.40`	`Adys`	`kill pulseaudio`
`06:37.40`	`Pytlask`	`Yup`
`06:38.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`somehow wintergrasp just seems like a bad idea due to the large chances of having either way too many or way too few players for it depending on the server`
`06:38.55`	`Pytlask`	`Adys: still happens :(`
`06:39.19`	`Adys`	`i never got any problem with sound, sorry`
`06:39.27`	`Pytlask`	`Alright, thanks anyway`
`06:39.29`	`Adys`	`solution is not having pulseaudio installed tho`
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`06:39.50`	`Pytlask`	`Is there any reason to keep it installed? I assume it does something :P`
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`06:40.17`	`Adys`	`yeah dont remove it`
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`06:40.29`	`Adys`	`ubuntu doesnt like not having pulseaudio`
`06:40.56`	`Pytlask`	`Hmm, looks like theres already a bug report on this`
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`07:03.35`	`Ktron`	`Evening`
`07:03.53`	`Ktron`	`anyone bored and want to look over a talent build? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ofcV0uMhzLGkhtjdfVoco0h`
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`08:48.40`	`WobWork`	`damn that netherlandic Wobin`
`08:49.21`	`Fisker-`	`>3`
`08:49.23`	`Fisker-`	`:E`
`08:50.03`	`Wobin`	`Is that a ... bunny?`
`08:52.40`	`Fisker-`	`it's supposed to be a lion :(`
`08:52.55`	`Wobin`	`I thought the lion was :3`
`08:53.13`	`Wobin`	`or >:3`
`08:54.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`"Am I a lion? I don't think of myself as a lion, although I do have a mighty roar."`
`08:56.59`	`Elkano`	`wasn't :3 just a cute japanese girl?`
`08:58.42`	`zenzio`	`what makes ":3" look Japanses?`
`08:59.01`	`Shirik`	`Grr`
`08:59.23`	`Shirik`	`enumerating over a list of interfaces in Java is a bitch. Not because it's "hard" or anything, but because there are no valid variable names`
`08:59.26`	`Elkano`	`zenzio, if I could find the pic you would know`
`08:59.39`	`Shirik`	`You can't use "interface" because it's a keyword. You can't use "if" as a shortened form. I already used "iface" once`
`08:59.47`	`Shirik`	`any recommendations on another name?`
`09:00.18`	`krka`	`shitface!`
`09:00.22`	`zenzio`	`inurface`
`09:00.29`	`krka`	`intraface`
`09:08.06`	`Elkano`	`zenzio, found it :) http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/9/94/Colon3.jpg`
`09:09.19`	`zenzio`	`:-o`
`09:10.01`	`Shirik`	`Anyway, night`
`09:13.44`	`Cidan`	`iface is standard, shirik`
`09:14.27`	`zenzio`	`he said he already had used that :-p`
`09:14.48`	`Kalroth`	`iface2 then`
`09:15.01`	`Kalroth`	`alternatively interf`
`09:15.26`	`krka`	`you can go with winterface, interspace, splinterhaze`
`09:15.39`	`krka`	`also: "interface? I 'ardly know 'er!"`
`09:15.51`	`zenzio`	`besides, everyone knows "iface" would be an integer called "face" ;-p`
`09:16.53`	`Kalroth`	`PersonallyILikeTheNonStandardNotations,IThinkItMakesMyVariableNamesLookSmarter`
`09:18.37`	`krka`	`__keepingNames_COHERENT__forThe_Lose`
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`09:27.18`	`Shiibot`	`New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following free migration is scheduled to last until end of Tuesday December 16.. . Source realms: Burning Legion, Drak'thul, Sylvanas. Destination realms: Boulderfist, Mazrigos, Vek'nilash.`
`09:27.18`	`Shiibot`	`PLEASE NOTE that the migration may be closed at any time should a destination realm's population rise too high.. For questions and additional information, please see the migration threads in the General forum.. .`
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`10:56.45`	`Wobin`	`yay`
`10:56.46`	`Wobin`	`http://www.ustream.tv/channel/kitties-at-lolcatraz`
`10:56.47`	`Wobin`	`is on air`
`10:57.12`	`Wobin`	`unfortunately, they are just sleeping =(`
`11:00.15`	`Cairenn`	`Mommy's giving them a bath!`
`11:00.25`	`Cairenn`	`too cute!`
`11:13.18`	`foxlit`	`"The problem is that the guild bank page requires you to log in to the armory, so I'd like my php script to log in with my WoW account name and password so that it can then parse the bank contents page."`
`11:14.21`	`selckin`	`easy`
`11:16.06`	`foxlit`	`This must be some sort of joke. AN is the daily heroic five days in a row now.`
`11:17.05`	`selckin`	`random loot is random`
`11:17.09`	`selckin`	`err ..`
`11:17.37`	`foxlit`	`How many instances are there in the game? :)`
`11:17.48`	`foxlit`	`or, rather, on Northrend.`
`11:18.08`	`selckin`	`if it was a diffrend one every day, it woudln't be random!`
`11:18.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cairenn: someone should totally be asleep!`
`11:18.58`	`foxlit`	`12.`
`11:19.08`	`foxlit`	`(1/12)^5 is a small, small number.`
`11:43.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Nightlys are the new dailies`
`11:43.14`	`Shiibot`	`New WoW-EU Server Alert: Source realms: Burning Legion, Drak'thul, Sylvanas. Destination realms: Ahn'Qiraj, Burning Blade, Xavius. . Source: Magtheridon (Horde only). Destination: Haomarush, Zenedar.`
`11:43.14`	`Shiibot`	`PLEASE NOTE that the migration may be closed at any time should a destination realm's population rise too high. For questions and additional information, please see the migration threads in the General forum.`
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`11:56.25`	`Shiibot`	`New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following free migration is scheduled to last until end of Tuesday December 23.. . Source realms: Burning Legion, Drak'thul, Sylvanas. Destination realms: Ahn'Qiraj, Burning Blade, Xavius. . Source: Magtheridon (Horde only)`
`11:56.25`	`Shiibot`	`Destination: Haomarush, Zenedar.`
`11:56.25`	`Shiibot`	`PLEASE NOTE that the migration may be closed at any time should a destination realm's population rise too high. For questions and additional information, please see the migration threads in the General forum..`
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`12:08.00`	`Olorin`	`good morning, whomever is still awake`
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`12:16.04`	`Shirik`	`ugh`
`12:16.23`	`Shirik`	`getting woken up by cell phone text messages "Host Notification: Server Down" sucks (`
`12:16.54`	`Shirik`	`it's not even down, wtf are they talking about`
`12:18.21`	`Shirik`	`And... now I get all the "Server Up" messages`
`12:18.26`	`Shirik`	`I think they lied just to wake me up`
`12:20.30`	`Olorin`	`ouch send em a tazer bolt lol`
`12:21.51`	`Shirik`	`I'm going back to sleep ><`
`12:21.56`	`Fisker-`	`it was my evil scheme Shirik`
`12:23.12`	`foxlit`	`Is there some mechanism to determine whether a debuff comes from me, anymore?`
`12:26.58`	`Olorin`	`parse the combat log?`
`12:29.49`	`Olorin`	`actually theres a isMine flag on the UnitDebuff()`
`12:29.54`	`Shirik`	`foxlit, I'm fairly sure there is`
`12:30.05`	`Shirik`	`because my debuffs always show up special`
`12:31.17`	`Shirik`	`ok, this isn't even funny`
`12:31.22`	`Shirik`	`I'm now looking at timestamps here`
`12:32.32`	`Shirik`	`(07:15:40) (@Shirik) ugh`
`12:32.39`	`Shirik`	`that would be when I woke up`
`12:32.56`	`Shirik`	`December 17, 2008 7:17:56 AM Service status changed to Green. Monitors report:`
`12:33.08`	`Shirik`	`I think their entire goal was to wake me up`
`12:35.13`	`Olorin`	`send reply... Shirik's status changed to pissed off Red:`
`12:35.17`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`12:35.44`	`Shirik`	`I can't go back to sleep now :(`
`12:41.55`	`foxlit`	`Shirik: there probably is`
`12:42.05`	`foxlit`	`I wish slouken would edit his post :/`
`12:44.11`	`Olorin`	`Foxlit did you see my reply about UnitDebuff having isMine flag?`
`12:44.36`	`foxlit`	`yeah, but I should've been searching for UnitAura in the 3.0 changes thread, not UnitDebuff`
`12:44.53`	`Olorin`	`ah dang`
`12:45.13`	`foxlit`	`It's still there, it's just that UnitDebuff brings up slouken's old post, and that doesn't list isMine`
`12:46.14`	`Olorin`	`http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitDebuff listed here`
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`12:49.48`	`Wobin`	`http://kotaku.com/5111282/voldo-is-one-smooth-criminal`
`12:56.18`	`Olorin`	`lol wonder if that was programmed routine or actually 2 players`
`12:57.08`	`Olorin`	`wow says at end it was 2 players, dang they play that too much lol oh wait... a WoW player saying someone else plays a game too much... uh hushes`
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`13:12.00`	`foxlit`	`Sartharion needs a better storyline :/`
`13:12.05`	`foxlit`	`Did we just kill the dragon for loot?`
`13:13.26`	`ZorbaTHut`	`it would be pretty funny if that was the plotline`
`13:13.45`	`ZorbaTHut`	`"I hear there's a dragon! Dragons are supposed to have cool stuff. Go kill it, and take its stuff."`
`13:13.50`	`ZorbaTHut`	`Sartharion killed: 0/1`
`13:20.48`	`foxlit`	`And, judging by the emotes, the dragons think we're after their eggs :/`
`13:20.58`	`foxlit`	`Perhaps a cooking quest, then.`
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`13:22.15`	`Fisker-`	`http://i44.tinypic.com/9jeqoo.png <-heads i win, tails... wait what?`
`13:23.42`	`Olorin`	`Anyone know any event that fires after the friends list table has been populated, cause its not populated by the time PlayerAlive or PlayerEnteredWorld fires`
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`13:26.00`	`Elkano`	`Olorin: FRIENDLIST_UPDATE`
`13:26.42`	`Olorin`	`thanks, ill give it a go`
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`13:35.53`	`Olorin`	`Elkano, it still fires before its populated the details of the friends list, the table has the freinds names but not if they are connected and what zones they are in yet... same problem with PlayerAlive, guess I'll have to put a 5sec delay on the function, would have prefered not to`
`13:36.30`	`Elkano`	`maybe it will fire again?`
`13:37.20`	`Olorin`	`ya probably, will need to think whether I want the routine being fired multiple times when logging in`
`13:42.52`	`Olorin`	`Elkano, actually It was populated the first fire, I just didnt notice the character I was checking for got disconnected for inactivity...lol`
`13:43.02`	`Olorin`	`thanks :)`
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`14:11.10`	`Lunessa`	`Station`
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`14:18.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Morning, dear.`
`14:36.17`	`Lunessa`	`Nothing like a gorramned fire drill at 8:15 in the morning.`
`14:36.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Brrrrrrr.`
`14:36.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`My building has not had one yet this semester. We're the SCIENCE building, you'd think we'd have a few.`
`14:39.40`	`Olorin`	`planning on some... experiments?`
`14:40.26`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I wish. Burn it down, get a new one with HVAC that works.`
`14:43.27`	`Olorin`	`Well I got escorted outta the lab when I was at school, lil bit of fun with zinc powder and burner.... was but a lil smoke... honest`
`14:44.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, there are always those things... but this year, not so much as a scheduled fire drill, much less a little lab accident. We're getting soft in the Science Center, I thinks.`
`14:49.58`	`cladhaire`	`Can anyone here translate this for me?`
`14:49.58`	`cladhaire`	`http://pastey.net/104525`
`14:50.05`	`cladhaire`	`No idea what language that is.`
`14:50.17`	`krka`	`swedish!`
`14:50.22`	`krka`	`so actually i can do it`
`14:50.23`	`krka`	`one sec`
`14:50.26`	`cladhaire`	`thanks`
`14:50.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`krka rules.`
`14:52.12`	`krka`	`http://pastey.net/104526`
`14:52.15`	`krka`	`there you go!`
`14:52.23`	`krka`	`where on earth did you get it?`
`14:52.39`	`cladhaire`	`emailed to me from some guy on the wowprogramming.com forums`
`14:52.41`	`cladhaire`	`who is a twat`
`14:53.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`They think that because some people wrote a book about WoW programming, they work for Blizzard or are WoW gods who can fix everything.`
`14:53.13`	`cladhaire`	`good example: http://wowprogramming.com/forums/website/168/#411`
`14:53.50`	`Lunessa`	`when I was in high school we smuggled sodium out of the chem lab, wrapped it in cheesecloth, packed it in dry ice and threw it in a swimming pool. The resulting explosion and water-spout were worth the whipping.`
`14:54.13`	`cladhaire`	`hahaha`
`14:54.14`	`Lopeppeppy`	`We tossed something in a toilet to make it explode...`
`14:54.57`	`selckin`	`we just stayed home for 90% of the classes :\`
`14:55.12`	`Lunessa`	`We wanted to get maximum immersion into the pool before contact with water, hence the dry ice and cheese cloth. Fun times.`
`14:58.26`	`alestane`	`Is there a functional difference between "if tonumber(x) ~= x" and "if type(x) ~= 'number'"?`
`14:58.57`	`krka`	`cladhaire: twat would indeed be my impression too`
`14:59.07`	`krka`	`makes me feel slightly ashamed to be swedish`
`14:59.42`	`Olorin`	`every nation has their .. twats as you call them`
`14:59.57`	`krka`	`also, wtf would he write you in swedish`
`15:01.38`	`cbreak`	`alestane: strings can be tonumbered too.`
`15:02.12`	`alestane`	`but then tonumber(x) ~= x.`
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`15:03.21`	`alestane`	`The test being used is not, "is x a valid number?". but rather, "does x change during conversion into a number?"`
`15:03.37`	`Lunessa`	`krka: Because he's 11 and speaks the second most unintelligble language in the world?`
`15:03.41`	`cbreak`	`how is == and ~= defined cross type?`
`15:03.56`	`alestane`	`Values of different types are not equal.`
`15:04.00`	`krka`	`false if different types`
`15:04.08`	`alestane`	`lua> 5 == "5"`
`15:04.09`	`lua_bot`	`alestane: false`
`15:04.26`	`krka`	`tonumber(x) == x is an interesting way to check for tonumber`
`15:04.29`	`cbreak`	`then it should be functionally equivalent.`
`15:04.32`	`krka`	`err, for is number`
`15:04.41`	`krka`	`probably a lot slower than running type`
`15:04.49`	`cbreak`	`yes :)`
`15:04.56`	`krka`	`seems functionally identical though`
`15:05.04`	`krka`	`unless i can come up with a counter example`
`15:05.17`	`krka`	`the parameter nil comes to mind`
`15:05.34`	`krka`	`lua> print(tonumber(nil) == nil)`
`15:05.34`	`lua_bot`	`krka: true`
`15:05.47`	`krka`	`lua> print(type(nil) == "number")`
`15:05.47`	`lua_bot`	`krka: false`
`15:05.53`	`cbreak`	`!`
`15:05.57`	`alestane`	`hrm, that might be the corner case, yes.`
`15:06.39`	`krka`	`should be the only one`
`15:06.45`	`krka`	`tonumber can only return a number or nil or crash`
`15:06.59`	`alestane`	`...I have been blind for the last hour.`
`15:07.03`	`krka`	`a crash may be considered different behaviour too`
`15:07.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Morning, Jelly! Break time yet?`
`15:07.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`alestane, that happens when coding.`
`15:07.18`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Eh?`
`15:07.31`	`alestane`	`local min, max = bar:GetMinMaxValues();`
`15:07.31`	`alestane`	`local content = value == 0 and bar.zeroText;`
`15:07.31`	`alestane`	`if (type(valueMax) ~= 'number' or valueMax > 0) and not bar.pauseUpdates then`
`15:07.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Winter break? No more clas?`
`15:07.35`	`Lopeppeppy`	`*class?`
`15:07.52`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Yeah but all that means is work more. lol`
`15:07.57`	`alestane`	`I changed valueMax to max in the variable definition, but not when testing it.`
`15:08.03`	`krka`	`using tonumber here seems stupid and asking for trouble`
`15:08.10`	`krka`	`even if it may technically work`
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`15:21.06`	`alestane`	`Yay finally stamped the error out of Expose'!`
`15:21.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Wheee!`
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`15:32.25`	`Lunessa`	`I wonder how long it's going to take raiding guilds to give up on the concept of "overhealing is bad"`
`15:33.00`	`cladhaire`	`YOU MUST HAVE 5000 SP AND LESS THAN 2% OVERHEAL`
`15:33.05`	`alestane`	`Overhealing is only a problem if it causes you to run out of mana that you would have conserved by using smaller, lower-cost heals.`
`15:33.22`	`cladhaire`	`well there are no smaller lower cost heals anymore`
`15:33.24`	`cladhaire`	`problem solved!`
`15:33.27`	`alestane`	`So really, the problem is running out of mana.`
`15:33.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Lunessa, they're never going to give it up, even though as of BC overhealing was expected, not to be avoided.`
`15:33.37`	`cladhaire`	`which can be solved in a number of way s:P`
`15:34.22`	`Lunessa`	`I laugh when I see people worried about "over-healing" - So what, rather than cast a heal which will do more than fill the bar, you'll cast nothing?`
`15:34.36`	`zenzelezz`	`my only problem with healing is underhealing`
`15:34.45`	`cladhaire`	`well pre-downranking nerf`
`15:34.47`	`cladhaire`	`it was a problme`
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`15:34.54`	`foxlit`	`My only problem with healing is the zomggetoutofthelightningring.`
`15:34.56`	`Lunessa`	`And down-ranking will now exacerbate the problem of "running out of mana."`
`15:35.07`	`cladhaire`	`just 5-man with someone and you'll see if they're a good healer or not.`
`15:35.15`	`Lunessa`	`cladhaire: Yes, back in the day. Not now though.`
`15:35.24`	`cladhaire`	`why not?`
`15:35.39`	`cladhaire`	`something change at 80?`
`15:35.43`	`Lunessa`	`Not the 5-man thing, the "overhealing" thing`
`15:36.11`	`cladhaire`	`I'm not sure what you're saying`
`15:36.18`	`cladhaire`	`I'm saying there is no solution to overhealing righ tnow`
`15:36.28`	`cladhaire`	`expect people stop casting heals when someone is already full`
`15:36.34`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`15:36.37`	`Lunessa`	`And there doesn't need to be, any more. :)`
`15:37.23`	`Lunessa`	`I just get a laugh out of people advising on 'preventing over-healing' now.`
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`15:37.40`	`cladhaire`	`haha`
`15:37.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`The only way to prevent overhealing is to not play.`
`15:39.04`	`cladhaire`	`word`
`15:39.58`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm hungry. wanders to find snax`
`15:40.02`	`alestane`	`lua> ("%s"):format({})`
`15:40.03`	`lua_bot`	`alestane: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'format' (string expected, got table)`
`15:40.12`	`alestane`	`That answers that.`
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`15:43.22`	`cladhaire`	`I completely disagree with the python assessment in the programming/religion article`
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`15:44.38`	`cladhaire`	`And yes we kinda like Python, its only problem is that it's rather embedding-hostile =)`
`15:44.40`	`cladhaire`	`ah that explains it`
`15:44.42`	`cladhaire`	`BIAS!`
`15:47.39`	`alestane`	`lua> ("%q"):format(tostring{})`
`15:47.40`	`lua_bot`	`alestane: "table: 0x80980d0"`
`15:48.40`	`alestane`	`lua> ("%s"):format(tostring{})`
`15:48.40`	`lua_bot`	`alestane: table: 0x80980d0`
`15:49.07`	`alestane`	`lua> ("id = %s"):format(tostring{})`
`15:49.08`	`lua_bot`	`alestane: id = table: 0x80980d8`
`15:49.15`	`alestane`	`lua> ("id = %q"):format(tostring{})`
`15:49.16`	`lua_bot`	`alestane: id = "table: 0x80980d8"`
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`15:55.33`	`ReAn`	`what's the Blizz Interface UI Command to open to a specific config page?`
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`16:03.06`	`alestane`	`It changed in 3.0, it's in UIOptionsFrame.lua somewhere.`
`16:07.59`	`alestane`	`InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory (panel)`
`16:12.05`	`Kaelten`	`http://www.aegisub.net/2008/12/if-programming-languages-were-religions.html`
`16:13.50`	`Kaelten`	`I wasn't paying any attention to irc no`
`16:13.54`	`Kaelten`	`already been passed around then?`
`16:14.19`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ya, fer sure. But what religion are you?`
`16:15.20`	`Kaelten`	`according to that I'm humanistic/wiccan with a background in Fundamental Christianity, Cafeteria Christianity and Satanism`
`16:16.25`	`cog\|work`	`I'm an islamic jewish mormon witch`
`16:16.57`	`cog\|work`	`who has to worship satan for work`
`16:18.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`giggle`
`16:18.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Speaking of work, I'm going to go check out the roads. Hopefully see ya soon.`
`16:18.28`	`Anaral`	`Wow... cog\|work No way to fit Christianity in there? Sadness.`
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`16:18.35`	`Anaral`	`Or Muslim`
`16:18.41`	`Lunessa`	`"Also, if you're a Muslim, please don't kill me. ;)"`
`16:19.13`	`cog\|work`	`muslim = islam`
`16:19.14`	`cog\|work`	`:P`
`16:19.47`	`ckknight`	`so Hinduism's pretty cool, eh?`
`16:19.49`	`cog\|work`	`but yeah, never done anything with PHP or Java`
`16:20.08`	`Anaral`	`I remember in high school theatre, a friend of mine would always call the fabric muslin, muslim... he didn't know the difference. >.<`
`16:20.36`	`ckknight`	`the multiple gods are merely facets of the Brahman`
`16:21.07`	`cog\|work`	`Atheism would be programming directly in binary?`
`16:21.40`	`Kaelten`	`maybe asm?`
`16:21.52`	`Kaelten`	`or would that be like zorastrianism`
`16:21.53`	`cog\|work`	`well asm still has a good deal of abstractions`
`16:22.00`	`ckknight`	`Shamanism = ASM`
`16:22.02`	`ckknight`	`we all know it`
`16:22.04`	`Kaelten`	`no`
`16:22.06`	`ckknight`	`:-P`
`16:22.08`	`Kaelten`	`:P`
`16:22.15`	`ckknight`	`also, PPC vs. x86?`
`16:23.58`	`cog\|work`	`ckknight: those are just equivalent variations on string theory`
`16:24.19`	`cog\|work`	`not exactly analogous to the "belief" system per se`
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`16:25.43`	`Olorin`	`is CHAT_MSG_LOOT the best event to use for checking if a Soul Shard was received? I'd prefer the function didnt fire when others in group loot if possible`
`16:26.08`	`alestane`	`I generally use BAG_UPDATE.`
`16:26.24`	`Olorin`	`ah, hadnt seen that one, thanks`
`16:26.36`	`cog\|work`	`if you use BAG_UPDATE though, don't you have to scan the whole contents of your bag to see what's new?`
`16:26.41`	`alestane`	`But it's not necessarily the best event for all uses.`
`16:26.53`	`cog\|work`	`seems chat_msg_loot would be more efficient, even if you have to filter out other people's events`
`16:27.24`	`alestane`	`cog\|work: In my case, I also had to find the soul shard's uniqueID, so I was stuck scanning the whole bag anyway.`
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`16:29.05`	`Olorin`	`I just decided that I would accept that my soul shard bag would hold 1 less for this addon to be quick and dirty, since I beilive the new one will go straight into slot 1 of the soul bag i would just check that one.. I dont need the bag full anyway just need not to have them spilling out all over lol`
`16:29.51`	`cog\|work`	`Olorin: are you trying to auto-delete shards beyond your bag's capacity?`
`16:30.07`	`cog\|work`	`'cause there's already plenty of mods that do that :P`
`16:30.55`	`Olorin`	`oh I know. just feel like buggering about lol besides they do too much and I like writing my own where I can...`
`16:31.04`	`cog\|work`	`if I were doing something like that, though, I'd use BAG_UPDATE, then scan through all non-soul pouch bags, and delete any shards i come across`
`16:32.13`	`Olorin`	`but that way you may have to chekck 50 items, this way it checks 1, though doubt the 50 check would slow anything`
`16:32.39`	`alestane`	`BAG_UPDATE usually provides the number of the bag that was changed, keeps processing down.`
`16:32.57`	`Olorin`	`ah ok, I'll revise my code if so :)`
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`16:33.41`	`cladhaire`	`http://i38.tinypic.com/juz953.jpeg`
`16:33.42`	`cladhaire`	`hahahahaha`
`16:33.44`	`alestane`	`But you're either checking every CHAT_MSG_LOOT event whether it's group loot or not, or you're checking every BAG_UPDATE whether it's a soul shard or not.`
`16:34.02`	`foxlit`	`cladhaire: .jpeg?`
`16:34.10`	`cladhaire`	`yes?`
`16:34.17`	`foxlit`	`You mean "no"`
`16:34.18`	`cladhaire`	`mjpeg I think`
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`16:34.24`	`cog\|work`	`hehe`
`16:34.39`	`cog\|work`	`properties says GIF`
`16:34.45`	`cladhaire`	`yeh`
`16:34.48`	`cladhaire`	`i didn't make it :P`
`16:34.54`	`nevcairiel`	`ya its a mislabeled gif, full of fail! :)`
`16:35.01`	`ReAn`	`mod development with questhelper loaded is a bitch`
`16:35.04`	`cladhaire`	`i blame Zariel!`
`16:35.06`	`nevcairiel`	`tinypic probably doesnt allow gif`
`16:35.06`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`16:35.08`	`cladhaire`	`Elkano: yes, that would be silly`
`16:35.17`	`Olorin`	`I did find that very ammusing lol`
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`16:36.56`	`Elkano`	`clad?`
`16:37.05`	`cladhaire`	`yes?`
`16:37.12`	`Elkano`	`what would be silly?`
`16:37.23`	`cladhaire`	`what rean said duh`
`16:37.28`	`cladhaire`	`way bad tab complete :P`
`16:37.31`	`Elkano`	`ah ^^`
`16:40.01`	`nevcairiel`	`Especially if you try to watch for any events in the devtools event trace`
`16:40.15`	`nevcairiel`	`questhelper somehow manages to cause like a million WORLD_MAP_UPDATE per frame`
`16:40.40`	`nevcairiel`	`that addon is so full of fail on the coding side`
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`16:41.17`	`Anaral`	`QH is full of fail on many sides.`
`16:41.18`	`Olorin`	`woot Nevcairiel just nominated themselves for a rewrite :P`
`16:41.23`	`ReAn`	`lol cladhaire, i've been known to catch tab-complete a lot`
`16:41.48`	`nevcairiel`	`Olorin: i think the addon fails on every aspect, so no =P`
`16:42.26`	`nevcairiel`	`people in my guild have been complaining that the wotlk data is way inaccurate`
`16:42.42`	`foxlit`	`People whine.`
`16:43.10`	`foxlit`	`Frankly, with the way wrath content is designed, they shouldn't even need to touch an addon to progress through it.`
`16:43.15`	`Olorin`	`well I personally have never bothered to submit data so i'm not going to complain when others have`
`16:43.32`	`nevcairiel`	`Indeed foxlit, but thats another point :)`
`16:43.41`	`nevcairiel`	`if it has data, it should be accurate data`
`16:43.49`	`nevcairiel`	`or not provide any at all`
`16:44.18`	`cog\|work`	`I am Wee Father Winter: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/weefather.jpg`
`16:44.31`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`16:44.44`	`Olorin`	`cute`
`16:45.14`	`Olorin`	`I think blizz got bit xmas tree clicky happy when dropping them, like 6-8 in the banks alone`
`16:46.19`	`Olorin`	`Wonder if WoW will ever have player housing, was kinda fun for 5mins to do xmas stuff in eq2`
`16:46.24`	`nevcairiel`	`I've yet to do any christmas thing in WoW, but the event wont vanish over night =P`
`16:46.27`	`foxlit`	`I think they're getting slightly better at messing with servers without downtime`
`16:46.36`	`foxlit`	`Stuff like the bugged revelers in Dalaran are gone now.`
`16:46.49`	`foxlit`	`(then again, the maintenance was tonight)`
`16:47.08`	`foxlit`	`"i'm happy to report that OPie is retaining BF settings with this latest release" << The fun part is that the were no significant changes.`
`16:47.23`	`Lunessa`	`BF settings?`
`16:47.29`	`foxlit`	`ButtonFacade`
`16:47.31`	`Lunessa`	`Oh.`
`16:47.43`	`Lunessa`	`That was never a problem for me. :P`
`16:47.49`	`foxlit`	`Me neither, but hey :)`
`16:48.22`	`Lunessa`	`And cog\|work, you need a giant sack of presents to hand out.`
`16:48.22`	`\|pez\|`	`bugged revelers in Dalaran?`
`16:48.33`	`foxlit`	`Yes. If you haven't seen them, you missed them :)`
`16:48.44`	`foxlit`	`The metaproblem, of course, is that they provide the configuration UI, but rely on other authors to store their SV data.`
`16:49.07`	`foxlit`	`"Oh, hey, let's overcomplicate this for no benefit."`
`16:49.12`	`nevcairiel`	`Whole Dalaran is a mess, its lagging like hell`
`16:49.22`	`Shirik`	`heh, http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/fail-owned-warcraft-shelving-productivity-fail.jpg`
`16:49.28`	`Lunessa`	`I guess it's not worth my time to hack Gello's TrinketMenu to add BF support then?`
`16:49.44`	`nevcairiel`	`Well that way you can link your button look directly to your profile in your actionbar or whatever addon`
`16:49.47`	`nevcairiel`	`it has its benefits`
`16:50.12`	`foxlit`	`But since they provide configuration, you can't interpret user input.`
`16:51.04`	`foxlit`	`Alternatively, BF could implement profiling internally. I wouldn't have to bother storing its state data, and it would be able to provide the same functionality to all addons.`
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`17:01.27`	`Lunessa`	`http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/16/funny-pictures-is-ready-to-give-you-his-not-divided-attenshuns/ - I need to have this to give to stupid users.`
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`17:02.12`	`AbsoRayne`	`blah`
`17:04.29`	`AbsoRayne`	`I hate how Grainy JPEGs look, even at max quality...`
`17:05.19`	`Corr-work`	`don't use them`
`17:05.45`	`AbsoRayne`	`Corr-work: Very limited Bandwith use where I am.`
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`17:05.56`	`AbsoRayne`	`Satellite ISP`
`17:06.03`	`AbsoRayne`	`Lopeppeppy !!!`
`17:06.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I survived the Slip and Slide Part I !`
`17:06.58`	`AbsoRayne`	`What about Part II? :(`
`17:07.21`	`Shirik`	`we missed you`
`17:07.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Whee, you guys are awesome fun for a girl! wicked grin`
`17:07.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Part II, AbsoRayne, is when I try to go home across the same roads in 4 1/2 hours.`
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`17:08.11`	`AbsoRayne`	`Lopeppeppy: Just put Skis on the front wheels of your car, youll be ok`
`17:08.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Does not have skis in that size in this area, AbsoRayne. I usually try to find a sander truck and stalk it.`
`17:09.11`	`AbsoRayne`	`Stalking is bad, gets you in trouble with the Po-Po`
`17:10.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`How do you get a speeding ticket while stalking, AbsoRayne?`
`17:10.26`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I never could, the sanding trucks drive wicked slow.`
`17:10.26`	`AbsoRayne`	`I didnt`
`17:10.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`But I like the pretty flashing lights.`
`17:10.43`	`AbsoRayne`	`I got it from passing a Volkswagon that slammed its brakes on me`
`17:11.19`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh.... one of those "go fast to get around idiot, but another idiot catches you doing it"`
`17:11.31`	`AbsoRayne`	`Pretty much`
`17:11.40`	`AbsoRayne`	`It was the front end of my car, or a ticket. I chose the ticket`
`17:11.52`	`AbsoRayne`	`2 Days of Lost Travel Time =/= 10 minutes`
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`17:12.07`	`Corr-work`	`in that case, if it was to avoid a collision, you can probably beat it in court`
`17:12.26`	`AbsoRayne`	`Corr-work: Well I dont exactly live in Ohio...im kinda in Alberta atm`
`17:14.53`	`AbsoRayne`	`Bit of a long drive to fight it. :B`
`17:16.17`	`Corr-work`	`okay, options are limited`
`17:16.17`	`Lopeppeppy`	`They rather count on that, actually....`
`17:17.15`	`AbsoRayne`	`I can mail it in, im ok`
`17:18.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm goes back to drinking flat stale soda.`
`17:19.36`	`AbsoRayne`	`Ewwwwwwww`
`17:20.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Hey, someone's gotta do it, right?`
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`17:22.02`	`alestane`	`Explain the logic underlying that conclusion.`
`17:22.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`alestane, explain why you think I access logic circuits to make decisions.`
`17:22.49`	`alestane`	`Okay, so the logic works out to "'cause."`
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`17:23.31`	`IQ128_`	`hi`
`17:24.01`	`alestane`	`~greet IQ128_`
`17:24.02`	`purl`	`ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on IQ128_`
`17:24.06`	`IQ128_`	`hello`
`17:24.12`	`alestane`	`Erm, sorry about that, have a towel.`
`17:24.13`	`IQ128_`	`say, how is this possible:`
`17:24.17`	`IQ128_`	`http://www.unsere-nackte-pyjamaparty.net/?id=1760123`
`17:24.24`	`AbsoRayne`	`Lopeppeppy: http://hdimage.org/images/cmpww71tdf0ufl7xhh6d_ocrnhot121708004140.jpg Thoughts? Even with this overly grainy and bad timing on the crit text so it looks horrible SS?`
`17:24.40`	`Lopeppeppy`	`alestane, again with the logic.`
`17:24.51`	`IQ128_`	`can you explain me, how this is possible:`
`17:24.51`	`IQ128_`	`http://www.unsere-nackte-pyjamaparty.net/?id=1760123`
`17:25.00`	`AbsoRayne`	`Ive eliminated the timer on the Buffs / Debuffs since that SS`
`17:25.01`	`alestane`	`IQ128_: What is it?`
`17:25.06`	`AbsoRayne`	`Just made it look too cluttered`
`17:25.13`	`IQ128_`	`sreenshot, o dont believe this..`
`17:25.45`	`alestane`	`What does it depict that you doubt the possiblity of?`
`17:25.48`	`foxlit`	`I wouldn't click that.`
`17:26.10`	`Tain`	`After not having played in a year or so it's a pain in the ass figuring out current verions/equivilents to all my addons.`
`17:26.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`AbsoRayne, the buff/deubff timers do look.... a bit on the odd side. I like them, I covet them.... but they're odd where they are.`
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`17:26.39`	`Tain`	`It took me over an hour last night just to clean out the old and download the new, and I still haven't even launched the game yet.`
`17:27.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`AbsoRayne, I'm a healer, so having the frames in the top corner doesn't work for me. I'd be pulling them down above the threat meter and moving the buffs/debuffs to top right.`
`17:27.51`	`AbsoRayne`	`Lopeppeppy: Oh I know. The more I change this UI, the more I push it towards being just a DPS / Tanking UI`
`17:28.11`	`AbsoRayne`	`Ive healed with it, but ive also admitted quite often, Boxes is my better Healer UI`
`17:28.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ah. Then are those debuffs in a good place for a tank or DPS to keep track of?`
`17:28.33`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I haven't played DeePeeEss in so long I dunno anymore.`
`17:28.36`	`AbsoRayne`	`It helps me, yeah`
`17:29.05`	`AbsoRayne`	`About the only downfall ive had to putting them there is that ive effectively put DBM in a bad spot. Im trying to compensate for that somehow.`
`17:29.46`	`AbsoRayne`	`Im also considering putting a Mana % next to the Health % on the raid frames text.`
`17:29.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah, DBM for me usually marches down the middle of the right side, right below where you have those buffs.`
`17:30.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Mana% is useful for knowing when you can do the next pull, I guess.`
`17:31.34`	`MentalPower\|ZZzz`	`Tain: I'd just launch the game vanilla, just to see what you still need. Then go from there.`
`17:33.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sometimes we surprise ourselves with what we do and don't need. :)`
`17:34.35`	`AbsoRayne-AFK`	`bbs, taking das lady to workses`
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`17:36.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Aww, that's sweet, zenzelezz. hug`
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`17:53.33`	`Sixen`	`kd3`
`17:54.59`	`kd3`	`?`
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`18:04.30`	`Aelobin`	`howdy`
`18:05.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Heyo.`
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`18:19.50`	`foxlit`	`"Press X to not Die" t-shirts`
`18:21.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Where are the X's located? o.O`
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`18:28.48`	`zenzelezz`	`it's fun making 100 heavy frostweave bandages in a 25-man raid`
`18:28.54`	`zenzelezz`	`tailors and everyone going crazy`
`18:31.34`	`AbsoRayne`	`O_o`
`18:31.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Meanie.`
`18:32.54`	`Tem\|afk`	`is tailoring that hard to level right now?`
`18:32.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`not really`
`18:33.06`	`zenzelezz`	`don't think so`
`18:33.06`	`Tem\|afk`	`that could possibly explain why I'm making such a killing selling cloth`
`18:33.08`	`alestane`	`Tailors get extra cloth.`
`18:33.17`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it just requires lots of cloth, obviously`
`18:33.25`	`Sixen`	`PTR Forum is open`
`18:33.26`	`Tem\|afk`	`I never have cloth auctions fail`
`18:33.33`	`Tem\|afk`	`and I sell stacks for ~50g`
`18:34.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i would suspect its still the initial rush of everyone leveling their tailoring, and making tailored epic gear.`
`18:35.56`	`\|pez\|`	`I send all my cloth to my boyfriend, who happens to be a tailor. :P`
`18:37.38`	`\|pez\|`	`I'm just hoping the boyfriend will have enough skill to make frostweave bags soon.`
`18:39.31`	`AbsoRayne`	`Lopeppeppy: ;_;`
`18:40.03`	`Dashkal`	`ahh, maaven posted the ptr rules again reads yep, still see no purpose to them that the feedback tool can't handle...`
`18:40.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Dashkal: i think the PTR is a clever trap laid by blizzard to ban idiots.`
`18:41.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`er. PTR Forum*`
`18:41.09`	`Sixen`	`lol`
`18:41.12`	`Dashkal`	`That's about how I feel about it :p`
`18:41.35`	`Dashkal`	`shrugs I have no problem using the tool in-game. Those forums are hostile at the best of time (talking about them as a whole)`
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`18:52.39`	`alestane`	`I have office hours to go keep...but if anyone feels like being another set of eyes they could look over http://wowuidev.pastey.net/104533 for me and see if they spot any glaring mistakes.`
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`18:58.57`	`zenzelezz`	`interesting. Last night we're still wiping all night on Sartharion + 3, this night he goes down on second attempt`
`18:59.19`	`sacarasc`	`grats, zenzelezz`
`18:59.33`	`sacarasc`	`we only just got sartharion on 25 man last night ;p`
`19:00.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sometimes being rested helps a lot.`
`19:00.25`	`Kalroth`	`zenzelezz: different players?`
`19:00.44`	`Kalroth`	`sometimes sitting the fissure droolers outside helps a lot. :)`
`19:01.42`	`zenzelezz`	`Kalroth: a couple, but no major changes. I guess people just got their act together and like... stopped dying in red shit and lava waves`
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`19:09.06`	`frop`	`dello`
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`19:09.21`	`frop`	`anyone got the weird bug when zoning in?`
`19:09.22`	`zenzelezz`	`hi`
`19:09.28`	`zenzelezz`	`that's a bit vague`
`19:09.47`	`frop`	`everytime i zonein in Naxx for example...i got stuck on loading screen`
`19:09.50`	`frop`	`i need to kill wow`
`19:10.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`With addons and without? Or just with?`
`19:11.06`	`frop`	`just with`
`19:11.12`	`frop`	`havent' tried without`
`19:11.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Update your addons then.`
`19:11.18`	`frop`	`i do`
`19:11.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`But first try it without.`
`19:11.32`	`frop`	`i daily browse wowace.com/projects :P`
`19:11.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Then maybe you got a bad beta.`
`19:11.49`	`frop`	`eheh`
`19:11.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sometimes updating too frequently is as bad as never updating at all.`
`19:11.56`	`frop`	`...will be hard track it down`
`19:12.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yes, yes it will. Binary search is your friend.`
`19:12.37`	`frop`	`:) Half&Half ?`
`19:12.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Pretty much.`
`19:12.56`	`frop`	`long time i did those "search" at school`
`19:13.01`	`frop`	`...in ANSI c`
`19:13.27`	`frop`	`and tbh...raid will not wait for me...need to do after the end`
`19:13.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Or log in early and do it beforehand.`
`19:13.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Or make your own raid and do it.`
`19:14.23`	`frop`	`will do that tonight`
`19:14.26`	`mikma`	`man! pvp season started, new items, lovely!`
`19:14.33`	`mikma`	`now i need to respec into pvp lol`
`19:14.34`	`frop`	`PvP sucks :P`
`19:14.46`	`mikma`	`PvE sucks`
`19:15.00`	`zenzelezz`	`EvP sucks more :(`
`19:15.40`	`frop`	`PvP is booooring`
`19:15.43`	`frop`	`always the same...`
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`19:19.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`So are showers, but we enjoy them.`
`19:19.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`We need them.`
`19:19.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Some people don't.`
`19:19.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`They take baths.`
`19:19.17`	`Lopeppeppy`	`And that's okay.`
`19:19.23`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Showers still exist for anyone who wants them.`
`19:19.31`	`frop`	`showers are fun :P`
`19:19.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No one has to take a shower if they don't want to.`
`19:19.42`	`frop`	`...enjoyable sometimes :D`
`19:20.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Lopeppeppy: >.> that last one is something i wish werent true`
`19:22.12`	`Olorin`	`especially if on underground and packed in like sardines`
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`19:24.40`	`Aelobin`	`lopeppeppyyyyyyyyyyy`
`19:24.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Aaaaaaaaheloooooobin!`
`19:25.03`	`Aelobin`	`i dont know youuuuuuuuuuuu`
`19:25.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sucks to be you. :P`
`19:25.24`	`Aelobin`	`XD`
`19:26.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I don't think I have a factoid for an introduction either.`
`19:26.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`~lopeppeppy`
`19:26.30`	`purl`	`I'm a ventrol-lol-iquist-er-izer. -- Lopeppeppy`
`19:26.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oops, yes I do, there you go!`
`19:28.58`	`Shirik`	`Everyone <3s Lopeppeppy`
`19:29.20`	`Lunessa`	`Showers/Baths are NOT optional. Pants on the other hand, might very well be.`
`19:29.35`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Pants are always optional, Lunessa. Kilts are lovely clothing articles.`
`19:29.35`	`Shirik`	`VA`
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`19:30.08`	`Shirik`	`hi!`
`19:30.11`	`Lunessa`	`hi!`
`19:30.12`	`Cide`	`oh no`
`19:30.17`	`Cide`	`Lunessa: you broked it.`
`19:30.24`	`Lunessa`	`Totally.`
`19:30.59`	`Lunessa`	`Hot damn!`
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`19:31.23`	`Cide`	`thanks, Lunessa`
`19:31.25`	`Shirik`	`Cide takes longer to reboot than my server`
`19:31.36`	`Lunessa`	`I has power over all da interwebz!`
`19:32.34`	`foxlit`	`"Man, if I'd knew the word hypocrite, I'd use it right now" << for a cartoon, this has an awesome writing style`
`19:32.56`	`Cide`	`Shirik: yep, since awesomeness = k*reboot_time`
`19:33.25`	`Shirik`	`Well my awesomeness is more like jkreboot_time`
`19:33.30`	`Shirik`	`I have imaginary awesomeness`
`19:33.31`	`Cide`	`imaginary?`
`19:33.33`	`Cide`	`ooooooooooooh burn`
`19:33.46`	`Cide`	`self-burn, nonetheless`
`19:33.47`	`Lunessa`	`Reminds me of back in the day when modems/dial up (9600 bps) were the main way to connect to anything. The company I worked for had a bug in the modem control protocol that listened for "disconnect" to see if you lost connection. Sadly, any clear text that was xmited with the word disconnect in it caused the modem to hang up.`
`19:34.12`	`Shirik`	`Lunessa: That sounds like a bug that still exists in most routers to this day`
`19:34.26`	`Lunessa`	`We spent a lot of time coding around it.`
`19:34.29`	`Shirik`	`there is a particular string you can say on IRC that will cause most routers to go "OH SHI-" and disconnect`
`19:34.48`	`Shirik`	`s/most/many/`
`19:35.20`	`Cide`	`according to bash, that word is "fuck".`
`19:35.22`	`Dashkal`	`So wish I could patch the office router...`
`19:35.33`	`Dashkal`	`Oh well, work-arounds work at least`
`19:35.38`	`Shirik`	`no Cide ><`
`19:35.42`	`zenzelezz`	`Shirik: sure it's the routers? I only remember the Norton AV one`
`19:35.42`	`Lunessa`	`"The network is down. Go home."`
`19:35.43`	`Cide`	`yes.`
`19:35.50`	`Shirik`	`Maybe it's a firewall, I dunno`
`19:35.51`	`Shirik`	`it's something!`
`19:35.59`	`Shirik`	`(Why would AV pick it up?)`
`19:36.26`	`Shirik`	`I never did bother to figure out exactly what was causing it, only that it's prominent`
`19:36.32`	`zenzelezz`	`was something like "startkeylogger", which it thought was bad`
`19:36.48`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`19:37.04`	`Shirik`	`no I'm referring to something some firewalls pick up as a bad DCC string`
`19:38.13`	`Shirik`	`Wikipedia claims it's routers`
`19:38.23`	`Shirik`	`"The DCC SEND exploit is an IRC related bug in some Netgear, Linksys, and D-Link routers, ..."`
`19:38.54`	`zenzelezz`	`one I wasn't aware of then =)`
`19:39.32`	`Lunessa`	`I need a nap.`
`19:39.46`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm sometimes tempted to paste the EICAR test string, but I guess most virus scanners are too smart to trigger on it in the middle of a (log) file`
`19:41.01`	`mikma`	`http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_121708_213415.jpg <- DK Timers :)`
`19:42.13`	`Dashkal`	`I need to get a dot timer...`
`19:43.04`	`Lunessa`	`http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/17/funny-pictures-cat-in-gay-apparel/`
`19:43.08`	`Shirik`	`zenzelezz: well my AV didn't pick it up until it was in its own file`
`19:46.24`	`Aelobin`	`knock offfff nigel, downloads knock off films`
`19:54.50`	`mikma`	`btw, doing the dun niffelem spearing daily as DK sucks balls more than enough`
`19:55.31`	`mikma`	`if you die, you turn into a ghoul and you are stuck in dragon's mouth for 45 seconds`
`19:58.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`mikma: protip: don't die`
`19:59.15`	`mikma`	`it's a hard daily :(`
`19:59.29`	`mikma`	`no matter what i do the bastard always manages to kill me`
`19:59.48`	`Lunessa`	`That is the only Sons of Hodir daily I'm not doing. because it blows.`
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`20:00.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i found it fairly easy, actually`
`20:00.12`	`Lunessa`	`Even more than the rest of the sexual innuendo quests they have.`
`20:01.06`	`mikma`	`well we usually cheat abit with it`
`20:01.21`	`mikma`	`my wife flies near and hot's me while i do it`
`20:02.02`	`mikma`	`the quest has something to do with the mob clawing you and you using the skill nr.2, dodge`
`20:02.47`	`Lunessa`	`I've gotten close to completing it, but miss timing once... and it's pretty much over.`
`20:03.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`>.>`
`20:05.18`	`ccox`	`@#%$@#%$ do plumbers or cable repairmen EVER arrive between the hours they say they'll arrive?`
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`20:05.41`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`no. union bylaws prevent it`
`20:05.54`	`Shirik`	`ccox: I'm in the same boat right now`
`20:05.58`	`ccox`	`NightHawkTheSane: sadly, that makes sense.`
`20:05.59`	`Shirik`	`Except mine's an electrician :)`
`20:06.34`	`Dashkal`	`I've never had much problem with the dragon quest. start with a 4, alternate grip and the weak damage, hit 2 when he swipes and immediately 4`
`20:06.36`	`ccox`	`Shirik: mine has the water turned off to the house until a broken valve gets replaced, so I'd kinda like him to hurry`
`20:06.45`	`Dashkal`	`when in the mouth, pry to 10 stacks and kill him`
`20:06.49`	`Shirik`	`at least you have heat :)`
`20:06.58`	`ccox`	`Shirik: true`
`20:07.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Dashkal: yeah, thats basically it. i usually go to 20 stacks, because i don't like 50/50 odds, but :p`
`20:07.18`	`Shirik`	`fortunately, we have two heaters`
`20:07.21`	`Shirik`	`so only one floor is cold`
`20:07.26`	`Dashkal`	`NightHawkTheSane: If I miss the first one, I just pry more until the cooldown is up`
`20:07.30`	`Dashkal`	`might as well try for the quick one`
`20:07.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`that is a good point :p`
`20:07.54`	`ccox`	`Shirik: fortunately, I do most of my own wiring (and the inspector says it's better than most contractor work)`
`20:07.55`	`Dashkal`	`Sucks when you do it really quickly and kill him on the slope down to Zul'Drak...`
`20:07.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`mostly im just mindlessly stabbing keys, though`
`20:08.10`	`Shirik`	`I would have done it too, ccox; I honestly think I know what the problem is too`
`20:08.16`	`Shirik`	`but my parents called the guy before I arrived home`
`20:10.30`	`zenzelezz`	`amazing, we manage both Sartharion + 3 and Safety Dance on the same night`
`20:10.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`impressive`
`20:10.45`	`Dashkal`	`very nice`
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`20:16.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`College internet flickering, apparently they didn't repair it fully after last week's storm.`
`20:17.38`	`Dashkal`	`oh fun. we're only having simple snow (kinda heavy, but no real wind). I'm just terrified of the streets full of west-cost drivers who never learned to handle it`
`20:17.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`True that.`
`20:18.00`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`thats why i don't drive`
`20:18.13`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`(well, that and the absurd cost of owning a car)`
`20:18.17`	`Dashkal`	`I don't either. Skytrain ftw`
`20:18.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I do. Rural living FTL`
`20:18.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`Winter > Summer`
`20:19.07`	`Dashkal`	`Gimme June. I like June. It's a nice month`
`20:20.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Thunderstorms = fail.`
`20:20.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`March, April, May. September, October.`
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`20:24.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`it would be rather nice to have a good storm out here every once in a while`
`20:24.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You can have all of mine, without reservation. I'm tired of being cooped up in my house without power.`
`20:25.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`ya, lack of power is not fun at all`
`20:25.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`unless you happen to be spending it with someone`
`20:25.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`As if.`
`20:25.31`	`AbsoRayne`	`Yay, got my Black War Bear ^_^`
`20:26.51`	`Anaral`	`Grats`
`20:27.01`	`Dashkal`	`Congrats`
`20:27.22`	`Dashkal`	`Should do that... Give me something to do to take out my frustration after I have this damn tooth pulled.`
`20:28.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I assume that's a PVP reward for good behavior or somethign?`
`20:29.01`	`Anaral`	`Lopeppeppy: For killing the opposing faction's leaders.`
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`20:29.47`	`Dashkal`	`I'd love to mix and match which leaders I take out for the achievement... Skip Thrall and Cairne, drop Wrynn and the Archdruid in their place :p`
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`20:33.28`	`Adys`	`Im so annoyed`
`20:34.26`	`Dashkal`	`murr?`
`20:36.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`annoyed is a good day for me.`
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`20:44.27`	`Lunessa`	`alestane: throwing the chumps a bone. You sir, are a kinder man than I.`
`20:45.47`	`zenzelezz`	`the cauldron in Heigan's room is freaking me out. It's only supported by slack chains; but hovering, not hanging`
`20:47.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`cues Exorcist theme music`
`20:50.15`	`Lunessa`	`Pretty soon it will rotate in a spherical way and disgorge green bile in all directions.`
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`20:50.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Rawr. Crab walk down the stairs upside down and backwards.`
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`20:59.39`	`Dewin`	`I need a way to solve Travelling Sales Person with google maps >.>`
`21:00.21`	`Dewin`	`visiting 20 stores and want the shortest total trip distance that visits them all`
`21:01.33`	`Matrix110`	`solution:`
`21:01.37`	`Matrix110`	`order the stuff online`
`21:01.42`	`Matrix110`	`or: dont visit 20 stores`
`21:03.02`	`Matrix110`	`ok the answer was about as lame as recommending Linux for a Windows problem but still :P`
`21:03.14`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Solution, if you can't get it in the mall or online, they don't get it. Tracking to various stores is for the birds.`
`21:04.39`	`Matrix110`	`its a joke that a Internet Explorer Update (iam not even using the IE) requires a system reboot`
`21:05.20`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Internet Explorer -is- a joke.`
`21:05.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Is the IE patch out now?`
`21:05.27`	`Dewin`	`Matrix110/Lopeppeppy: No luck finding it for less than $160 online because it's in a bundle and I don't want the bundle`
`21:05.41`	`Dewin`	`and... http://www.gebweb.net/optimap/ it solves TSP with google maps.`
`21:05.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`If it takes 20 stores to get it, you still don't want it.`
`21:06.20`	`Dewin`	`It only takes 20 stores to get it because Gamecrazy has waiting lists (unlike any other store) but requires you to visit the store in person to get on it >.>`
`21:06.27`	`Dewin`	`I'm hoping to only visit 5 or so`
`21:06.51`	`Tekkub`	`"... the stress of the holiday season"`
`21:06.53`	`Tekkub`	`WTF?`
`21:07.04`	`Tekkub`	`how the fuck are the holidays stressful in any way?`
`21:07.26`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Anyone who invests too much energy gets stressed out.`
`21:07.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it could be if you buy into the consumerist dogma of the modern american age`
`21:07.54`	`Tekkub`	`"I have no money to spend, but I have to buy people shit" okey I can see that one`
`21:08.08`	`Tekkub`	`but that's not really stress of the season, that's "I'm a retard" stress`
`21:08.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`actually, i -don't- get that one.`
`21:08.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`if you don't have money, you don't have to buy anyone anything`
`21:08.33`	`Tekkub`	`I have money, I'm not buying people shit`
`21:08.37`	`Stanzilla`	`22:05:19 â Lopeppeppy: Is the IE patch out now? < Yes`
`21:08.41`	`Tekkub`	`and I've made that clear to them for years now`
`21:09.03`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Downloading and installing. I only use IE on my work computer anyway, so that's good.`
`21:09.16`	`Tekkub`	`Big Bang covered it fairly well... "You're not giving me a gift, you're giving me an obligation to recipricate"`
`21:10.08`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I have no stress. I have everything I wanted. it's done.`
`21:10.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the only stress i have is having to actually deal with my family this year`
`21:10.29`	`Dewin`	`Well I'm getting Wii Fit for my wife, but it's technically for both of us since I really want it too.`
`21:10.48`	`Tekkub`	`same, the fact that I've got $300 unspent in my "blow" acct kinda proves I don't want anything`
`21:12.03`	`Matrix110`	`"blow" acct ?`
`21:12.12`	`Gngsk`	`cocaine`
`21:12.25`	`Tekkub`	`whenever Trey goes out and blows money, I put the same amount in my paypal`
`21:12.27`	`Tekkub`	`:P`
`21:12.45`	`Matrix110`	`ah`
`21:13.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`If I can't buy it for $20, I can't buy it without consulting Ze Budget.`
`21:13.31`	`Tekkub`	`that logic don't work here... Trey blows lots of money, $20 at a time`
`21:14.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It's the best logic for my budget though, trust me. Keeps me from making impulse purchases.`
`21:14.32`	`Tekkub`	`we really don't have issues with impulse purchases`
`21:14.41`	`Tekkub`	`our issue is the slow constant drain`
`21:15.05`	`Matrix110`	`I buy useless stuff way to often`
`21:15.14`	`Matrix110`	`or well its not useless`
`21:15.42`	`Matrix110`	`just its a little to much always`
`21:18.59`	`Lunessa`	`I spend money like governments do. I'm dropping $750 billion on my next gaming rig. You're all invited.`
`21:19.38`	`Tem\|afk`	`Lopeppeppy, do what I do`
`21:19.51`	`Shirik`	`please don't`
`21:19.52`	`Tem\|afk`	`keep yourself from impulse purchases for 2 years at a time`
`21:20.07`	`Tem\|afk`	`then spend a grand on stuff you've been saving up the envie for`
`21:20.25`	`Shirik`	`2 years?`
`21:20.28`	`Shirik`	`that's painful`
`21:20.33`	`Tem\|afk`	`speaking of which...`
`21:20.35`	`Tem\|afk`	`I'm due`
`21:20.38`	`Tem\|afk`	`hmm`
`21:20.41`	`Tekkub`	`"only blow money on even years"`
`21:20.45`	`Shirik`	`I just use "Keep the change" :)`
`21:20.46`	`Tem\|afk`	`I think I want a nice sound card this year`
`21:21.06`	`Shirik`	`When I have enough money in my secondary account, I treat myself`
`21:21.08`	`Tem\|afk`	`definitely need a new gpu as well`
`21:21.12`	`Tekkub`	`never got soundcards.... onboard is more than adequate`
`21:21.19`	`Tem\|afk`	`my onboard is busted`
`21:21.23`	`Tem\|afk`	`and I have killer headphones`
`21:21.23`	`Matrix110`	`then you never heard the difference`
`21:21.26`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Okie dokie, normal people. I go homes now. If the roads are clear. If I have power.`
`21:21.29`	`Tekkub`	`but then, I also have a wonderful $25 2.1 speaker set`
`21:21.33`	`Shirik`	`safe travels Lopeppeppy`
`21:21.35`	`Tem\|afk`	`ask Shirik`
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`21:21.51`	`Tem\|afk`	`damnit, Peppy`
`21:21.52`	`Matrix110`	`Realtek HD vs. any proper Soundcard is something everybody can hear`
`21:21.53`	`Tem\|afk`	`10 seconds rule`
`21:21.55`	`Tekkub`	`if your onboard's busted, yea I can understand then`
`21:22.20`	`Tem\|afk`	`nod nod`
`21:22.25`	`Tem\|afk`	`blarg`
`21:22.27`	`Matrix110`	`the only onboard solution that was good was the Soundstorm but Nvidia didnt put it on any Board again besides the nforce 2`
`21:22.30`	`Tem\|afk`	`stupid scheduling crap`
`21:22.38`	`Tem\|afk`	`I can't schedule until tomorrow at 4:01pm`
`21:22.40`	`Tem\|afk`	`wtf is that?`
`21:22.45`	`Olorin`	`I use onboard and its fine since its spdif lol`
`21:23.02`	`Tem\|afk`	`anyway, /me returns to being afk`
`21:23.08`	`Tekkub`	`considering 99% of what I use my sound for is plain ol stereo music...`
`21:23.11`	`Shirik`	`I need to get speakers capable of spdif`
`21:23.17`	`Lunessa`	`There are two objectives in owning a sound system. Objective #1: Sound system is of such power that your neighbors will call you and ask you to turn it down. Objective #2: Sounds system is of such quality that the neighbors will call you and ask you to turn it up.`
`21:23.19`	`Tekkub`	`I don't see why I need big sound hardware`
`21:23.37`	`Matrix110`	`Shirik not speakers rather a Receiver or Decoder :P`
`21:23.48`	`Shirik`	`there's no point in that`
`21:24.19`	`Matrix110`	`well if your speakers sucks ok`
`21:24.21`	`Shirik`	`No`
`21:24.24`	Lonny`tuo	`Is there anyway to get the cursor texture ?`
`21:24.34`	`Tekkub`	`my $25 speakers are wonderful :)`
`21:24.45`	`Tem\|afk`	Lonny`, GetCursorInfo
`21:25.01`	`Tekkub`	`I'd like to replace them, but when the only options are 7.1 setups and shit 2.0 ones... screw that`
`21:25.07`	`Shirik`	`There is no point in using speakers without an integrated decoder if you're using spdif`
`21:25.12`	`Shirik`	`Granted, that will cost you a ton`
`21:25.27`	`Shirik`	`But if you're going to use spdif, and still have an analog cable at the end, you lose the benefit anyway`
`21:25.36`	Lonny`	`Tem\|afk: that won't work whenever you hover a doodad`
`21:26.04`	`Matrix110`	`The signal is analog in the end anyway`
`21:26.06`	`Matrix110`	`:P`
`21:26.12`	`Shirik`	`Yes, but there is a difference`
`21:26.23`	`Shirik`	`You can either have the analog signal on integrated circuitry, or along a long conductor`
`21:26.40`	`Shirik`	`And if you have it running along a long conductor you are far more susceptible to noise`
`21:26.41`	`Tem\|afk`	Lonny`, then we're talking about different things =P
`21:26.48`	Lonny`	`:P`
`21:27.03`	`Tem\|afk`	`I think there's a way, but I can't think of it offhand`
`21:27.12`	Lonny`	`Is there anyway I can get the cursor texture when hovering a doodad, herb and such ?`
`21:27.19`	`Matrix110`	`Shirik I dont really think thats noticeable if you are using proper cables :P`
`21:27.23`	Lonny`	`I've done it once and I forgot haha`
`21:27.26`	`Tem\|afk`	`find out how Gatherer does that kind of thing`
`21:27.36`	`Shirik`	`If that's the case, what's the point of spdif, Matrix110?`
`21:27.37`	`Tem\|afk`	`(assuming that's really what you're after and not the cursor texture)`
`21:27.45`	`Matrix110`	`Not to mention ive never seen speakers that could do that`
`21:27.49`	`Lunessa`	Lonny`: /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage( GetMouseFocus():GetName() )
`21:27.53`	`Shirik`	`Then you haven't looked hard enough`
`21:28.05`	`Shirik`	`I promise you I've done a lot more DSP work than you have`
`21:28.14`	`Matrix110`	`Well so every of the 6 speakers gets their signal via spdif?`
`21:28.28`	`Olorin`	`depends on the decoder,`
`21:28.29`	Lonny`	`Lunessa: Thanks I'll check it out :P`
`21:28.32`	`bleeter`	`kd3: soz, I wuz out getting pissed`
`21:28.54`	`Matrix110`	`Olorin the decoder has to be inside every speaker to make Shrikis argument legit :P`
`21:29.00`	`Tekkub`	`Shirik, my DSPepeen is bigger'n yours :P`
`21:29.05`	`Shirik`	`It's not cheap, Matrix110, you need additional hardware as well as speakers which were designed for this purpose`
`21:29.13`	`Shirik`	`This is not in the consumer market`
`21:29.15`	`Lunessa`	`bleeter: That's "down under" for drinking beer, or is it "down under" for 'doing things with sheep'? :P`
`21:29.21`	`Shirik`	`But my argument is that spdif should not be in the consumer market anyway`
`21:29.48`	`Olorin`	`its a bit ott i must admit`
`21:29.49`	`Shirik`	`There's no point to it`
`21:30.06`	`Matrix110`	`cable salad reduction`
`21:30.09`	`Shirik`	`It's kinda like oversampled playback`
`21:30.13`	`Shirik`	`Which is also absolutely worthless`
`21:30.14`	`Tekkub`	`but I wants mah digiouts from my DVDs`
`21:30.18`	`Tekkub`	`wait I don't do DVDs`
`21:30.20`	`Shirik`	`thank god the audio market finally got rid of that`
`21:30.41`	`Matrix110`	`3x3,5mm cable or 6RCA cables or 1 tiny thin spdif/toslink cable? :P`
`21:30.58`	`Olorin`	`well i use the logitech z-5500 which is speakers with amp/decoder 200 uk pounds and they sound great when playing dvd's etc..`
`21:31.07`	`Tekkub`	`HDMI!`
`21:31.10`	`Shirik`	`oh I don't disagree it sounds awesome Olorin`
`21:31.26`	`Matrix110`	`Olorin thats not what we were talking about :P`
`21:31.39`	`Olorin`	`sorry lol was distracted`
`21:31.45`	`Tekkub`	`they should name HDMI SPDVIF`
`21:31.51`	`Shirik`	`...`
`21:31.59`	`Matrix110`	`HDMI sucks because it has royalities`
`21:32.03`	`Tekkub`	`SPDIF+DVI!`
`21:32.21`	`Shirik`	`anyway, back to code`
`21:32.24`	Lonny`	`Lunessa: this gave me the actual frame I'm hovering on which is the WorldFrame in this case, I need the actual cursor texture`
`21:32.32`	`Matrix110`	`Displayport ftw!`
`21:32.39`	`Tekkub`	`only think I ever use HDMI for is DVI from my playback comp`
`21:32.50`	`Tekkub`	`but I don't have an HDMI TV yet, mine has real DVI`
`21:33.15`	`Tekkub`	`Trey wants a new one though`
`21:34.04`	`Lunessa`	Lonny`: No, you want the texture of what the cursor is over: Go see: http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Cursor_Functions
`21:36.08`	Lonny`	`Lunessa: I think I know what I want, and it's the cursor's texture, I don't need the texture of the doodad, I need the cursor texture when you're hovering a doodad :P`
`21:36.09`	`Matrix110`	`Get a Mitsubishi LAZER TV just because it includes LAZER`
`21:36.40`	`Lunessa`	`Then GetCursorInfo should have given you what you wanted.`
`21:37.22`	`Lunessa`	`mmm.. Perhaps not.`
`21:37.33`	Lonny`	`:P`
`21:37.57`	`Lunessa`	`You're going to need to test multiple things.`
`21:38.02`	`ccox`	`if they can't spell LASER correctly....`
`21:38.50`	`Matrix110`	`ccox its written correctly :P`
`21:38.55`	`Shirik`	`LAZER looks cooler`
`21:39.11`	`Matrix110`	`http://laservuetv.com/`
`21:39.12`	`Lunessa`	`zomg LAZER pew pew pew`
`21:39.19`	`Matrix110`	`idd :D`
`21:39.33`	`Matrix110`	`well its a pretty nice TV aswell but unaffordable :D`
`21:39.52`	`Matrix110`	`7k $`
`21:40.24`	`ccox`	`"better than the best TV on earth" -- is that TV on mars or what?`
`21:40.27`	`Olorin`	`Lunessa i just used getcursorinfo and it give they item type and item itemlink`
`21:40.49`	`Olorin`	`yikes... meant gives the*`
`21:40.51`	`Matrix110`	`ccox thats marketing speech for the normal US person :P`
`21:41.09`	`Matrix110`	`its like Apple slogans: " The fastest Mac ever" yeah I thought you bring out a slower machine for more money`
`21:41.10`	`Lunessa`	`But not the texture of the cursor item itself. :P`
`21:41.10`	`Shirik`	`ccox :P`
`21:41.17`	`Shirik`	`You expect marketing to have a brain?`
`21:41.39`	Lonny`	`You can set the texture of the cursor, but there's no getter :P`
`21:41.47`	`ccox`	`Shirik - yes, I expect, but I'm usually disappointed`
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`21:54.18`	`Dashkal`	`Ok, who was the dip in blizzard who said you can't have a ; in your password?`
`21:54.51`	`Cryp71c`	`lol.probably the same idiot who initially missed the fact that \n crashed the client way back when.`
`21:55.02`	`Cryp71c`	`They can't fix their code to work w/ it, so they're going to not allow it.`
`21:55.05`	`Shirik`	`I.... think I just found a bug in Java`
`21:55.10`	`Cide`	`...`
`21:55.12`	`Cide`	`the 'idiot'?`
`21:55.12`	`Shirik`	`java.util.regex.PatternSyntaxException: Unexpected internal error`
`21:55.14`	`Shirik`	`o.o`
`21:55.22`	`Cide`	`pretty sure you should respect their work more than that`
`21:55.36`	`Cide`	`in fact, do we even know you?`
`21:55.49`	`Cryp71c`	`I respect the monostrosity that is WoW and the amount of work it takes to keep it up and running`
`21:55.58`	`Cide`	`evidently.`
`21:55.59`	`ccox`	`Shirik - is that your first java bug?`
`21:56.07`	`Cryp71c`	`but the fact that 2 years into release and they're code wasn't 'clean' enough not to accept a '\n' in chat is sad.`
`21:56.07`	`Shirik`	`I'm debating whether I should respond... or just end this discussion now`
`21:56.33`	`Cryp71c`	`Shirik (java is full of bugs) :(`
`21:56.46`	`Cide`	`the latter`
`21:56.49`	`Shirik`	`Cryp71c, this channel supports WoW and Blizzard, and representatives come here to help us out as well. We would prefer to keep it that way. Unjustified bashing of their products will not be tolerated.`
`21:56.57`	`Shirik`	`End of discussion;.`
`21:56.59`	`Cryp71c`	`I'll keep that in mind, my appologies.`
`21:57.01`	`Shirik`	`semicolon`
`21:57.22`	`Cide`	`that said`
`21:57.23`	`Shirik`	`That being said, yes this is my first Java bug :/ I don't usually do anything too too complex`
`21:57.32`	`Shirik`	`I usually assume problems are my fault`
`21:57.32`	`Cide`	`I was quite happy with the \n bug`
`21:57.41`	`Cide`	`made it easy to disconnect quickly and painlessly`
`21:57.42`	`Shirik`	`And this is a pretty stupid problem`
`21:57.48`	`Cryp71c`	`Ah, I never made 'good' use of it`
`21:58.06`	`Cryp71c`	`I was one of the evil ones running around in org every other week saying 'I found a new emote! \n'`
`21:58.26`	`Cryp71c`	`and then the population of org would instantly drop like a stone.`
`21:59.43`	`Cryp71c`	`Anyways...again, my appologies if I insulted anyone with the \n bug, I like many others come here for dev help and don't want to piss anyone off.`
`22:00.05`	`Cryp71c`	`At least not too much`
`22:01.13`	`Cide`	`good choice`
`22:01.32`	`Cryp71c`	`I thought so :)`
`22:02.30`	`Cryp71c`	`I'm just getting back into UI Dev because I had a brilliant addon idea, but am almost knowledge-less of lua and how WoW makes use of it for addons.`
`22:04.40`	`Olorin`	`if its not secretive you may want to share the idea in principle ehre, many exist already, and some may just not possible`
`22:05.03`	`Cryp71c`	`Well, its not secretive..I don't honestly know if its possible.`
`22:06.05`	`Cryp71c`	`I was thinking about a mod which splits your bag up into areas based on the types of items, by rarity, or profession (all your fish in one area), and particularly for quest items (I for one spend TONS of time moving items around looking for that 1 quest item i need)`
`22:06.06`	`alestane`	`Then you're best off describing it. Several people here have a good understanding of what is definitively possible or impossible in the WoW environmnet.`
`22:06.27`	`alestane`	`Cryp71c: Try Baggins or similar mods.`
`22:07.14`	`alestane`	`I know there are other virtual bags mods but that's the one I'm familiar with.`
`22:07.50`	`Cide`	`combuctor sounds like something you might like`
`22:07.53`	`Cide`	`if it's still continued`
`22:07.53`	`Cryp71c`	`alestane, do you know off hand if its compatible w/ onebag3?`
`22:08.18`	`alestane`	`It has its own "all-in-one bag" functionality if that's how you prefer to see your bags.`
`22:09.04`	`Cryp71c`	`I see, well both baggins and combuctor sound like the type of mobds I'm looking for.`
`22:09.14`	`Cryp71c`	`Although I was looking forward to the dev work :) I appreciate the help, I'll look into those.`
`22:09.53`	`alestane`	`Nothing wrong with development (I'm working on a mod in that general category myself), but that's a big job to take on if something already does the job.`
`22:10.25`	`Cryp71c`	`It ppears as if both baggins and combuctor are no longer in dev (baggins was updated 30 days ago but the most recent file is still beta 10/15/2008)`
`22:10.44`	`Cryp71c`	`So I suppose I may have to pick up where they left of if I want to get a fully working addon.`
`22:11.29`	`Slakah`	`Combuctor works fine and dandy`
`22:11.46`	`alestane`	`I use a fairly recent version of Baggins. I had to manually update LibPeriodicTable to make it smart about WotLK items but it's quite functional.`
`22:12.01`	`Cryp71c`	`Slakah w/ WotLK?`
`22:12.08`	`Slakah`	`yup`
`22:12.22`	`Cryp71c`	`hrm..`
`22:13.16`	`KarlKFI`	`i did that too alestane`
`22:13.36`	Lonny`	`Is there any reliable way of detecting whether the tooltip is over, out a doodad ? currently I'm doing something like 'frame == WorldFrame and not UnitExists("mouseover")' which works for units, but doodad is not a unit, therefor I cannot determine it, any other way ?`
`22:13.46`	Lonny`	`frame is just GetMouseFocus()`
`22:14.20`	`alestane`	`Clarify "doodad" and I might be able to answer that.`
`22:14.29`	Lonny`	`herb`
`22:14.49`	`alestane`	`Just from tooltip scanning, I think.`
`22:14.50`	Lonny`	`hmm a world object, say a portal ?`
`22:15.02`	`KarlKFI`	`when i wrote my data colleciton addon i just tested tooltip text`
`22:15.09`	Lonny`	`I tried that too`
`22:15.18`	`alestane`	`WorldFrame is responsible for maintaining the tooltips for those things IIRC.`
`22:15.31`	Lonny`	`yeah`
`22:15.58`	`KarlKFI`	`easy enough for herbs, there's an herbing tooltip`
`22:16.11`	`KarlKFI`	`er, text at the bottom of them all`
`22:17.04`	`KarlKFI`	`but no general test for 'world object' except testing for the absense of all known patterns`
`22:18.46`	Lonny`	`Yeah that might the only solution, iterating the WorldFrame`
`22:18.48`	Lonny`	`hmm`
`22:19.15`	Lonny`	`Currently I'm doing that through the CURSOR_UPDATE event, but I have another problem here, if you're too far from a doodad the state of the texture changes to disable (gray) and that's hiding the toolti[p in my case`
`22:20.43`	Lonny`	`I'm trying to instantly hide the tooltip and prevents the fading effect and doodads are just giving me nightmares :)`
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`22:23.04`	Lonny`	`I guess I'll take another approach and find out, there must be a better way :)`
`22:24.48`	`Lunessa`	`alestane: Nice reply in the 'rotation macro' thread.`
`22:24.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`awesome: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcx4_CszaDI&feature=channel`
`22:25.05`	`alestane`	`I was trying to be reasonably gracious.`
`22:28.21`	`Lunessa`	`You were far more polite than I was.`
`22:28.42`	`Lunessa`	`I softened my original "douchebag" to "dillweed"`
`22:31.26`	`alestane`	`The new "snippets" structure provides a lot more uses for the %q token in string.format`
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`22:38.51`	`mikma`	`ummh`
`22:39.00`	`mikma`	`are there any good pvp brokers available?`
`22:45.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`sigh getting that damn pvp achievement is fucking idiotic as a feral druid`
`22:46.18`	`mikma`	`[00:45:21] [Necromancia] says: I call forth the flames of feet to make my travels swift!`
`22:46.45`	`mikma`	`nighthawkthesane: hmmrph, feral druid is easy (atleast it was at lvl70)`
`22:46.49`	`ccox`	`plumber just arrived, 2.5 hours late`
`22:46.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`mikma: o_0 are you kidding?`
`22:47.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i'm talking about the winter veil one`
`22:47.23`	`mikma`	`nighthawkthesane: the GNERD one was easy`
`22:47.27`	`mikma`	`oh`
`22:47.30`	`mikma`	`oooooh right`
`22:47.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeah, the GNERD one didn't shapeshift you`
`22:47.35`	`mikma`	`shapeshifting is bad`
`22:47.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i basically have to stand around and not.. really do anything`
`22:47.53`	`kd3`	`meh. I'm still at 0/50 hks atm`
`22:47.55`	`mikma`	`boom moonfire`
`22:47.56`	`kd3`	`really damn annoying`
`22:48.02`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`and be careful not to use my mount macro in combat, otherwise i go to travel form`
`22:48.31`	`mikma`	`2/50`
`22:48.35`	`mikma`	`wooowoooo, chukka chukka`
`22:48.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I got it in like 4-5 AVs on my shaman. just stood back spamming chain heal and riptide.`
`22:49.06`	`mikma`	`well`
`22:49.11`	`mikma`	`moonfire and hot`
`22:49.16`	`mikma`	`that's the only way you can do it as feral`
`22:49.21`	`kd3`	`meh, at least bros before ho ho ho's wasn't too difficult`
`22:49.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`pretty much. but having 6k mana makes that rough`
`22:49.49`	`mikma`	`aye`
`22:49.59`	`mikma`	`and innervate brings back 5%`
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`22:50.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`that wouldn't even bother me as much as the "oh shit, i accidentally went into form, guess i have to afk out and wait ANOTHER 15-20 minutes)`
`22:50.30`	`kd3`	`is there a wondervolt machine in darn?`
`22:50.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`kd3: should be somewhere, check outside in the village?`
`22:50.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`or maybe outside the front gate in teldrassil`
`22:52.30`	`orafu_home`	`hey, what would be the recommended way to upgrade an existing mod's chat hook to 3.x?`
`22:53.36`	`Olorin`	`Cryp71c: I was afk after my last statement, just scrolled back to read, I have today thought of making somthing similar, mostly since I can never find my quest items to click on etc..`
`22:54.52`	`orafu_home`	`atm, it does "orig_cev = ChatFrame_OnEvent" and "ChatFrame_OnEvent = myChatFrame_OnEvent"`
`22:55.08`	`orafu_home`	`should I use ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter()?`
`22:59.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Hm. If I installed wow classic -> TBC -> WoTLK from cds, what patches would i need to have to get up to playable?`
`23:00.13`	`nevcairiel`	`3.0.1 -> 3.0.2 -> 3.0.3`
`23:00.22`	`nevcairiel`	`3.0.1 is what you get from wotlk dvd`
`23:00.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`okay`
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`23:00.28`	`nevcairiel`	`you need the two patches upwards`
`23:00.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`thanks`
`23:00.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`orafu_home: probably that way, yes. hooking CF_OnEvent is kinda bad ^^`
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`23:01.18`	`orafu_home`	`Gnarfoz: I see, thanks ^^`
`23:02.25`	`Kraps`	`is it possible to make a macro or script that will use an ability/item at a certain health level?`
`23:02.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`no`
`23:11.04`	`alestane`	`High frame levels on top or low frame levels on top`
`23:11.06`	`alestane`	`?`
`23:11.34`	`alestane`	`"I herd WoW has its own raid frames but im not sure how to to activeate it or w/e." Sad`
`23:12.28`	`zenzelezz`	`I recently taught guildies about the Chat tab on the Social window, how you can use that instead of /chatlist. "omg"`
`23:13.13`	`alestane`	`That, at least, is a comparatively new feature.`
`23:13.39`	`zenzelezz`	`yeah`
`23:15.26`	`Cide`	`alestane: high`
`23:15.45`	`alestane`	`That's what I thought. Need to turn up the alpha on this I guess.`
`23:16.01`	`Cide`	`framestrata has higher priority though`
`23:17.02`	`alestane`	`Will a frame with level 1 and a high starta display above a frame with level 2 and a lower strata?`
`23:17.06`	`alestane`	`sp*`
`23:19.56`	`Cide`	`yes`
`23:20.41`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i strata'd your mom.`
`23:20.42`	`alestane`	`Somehow I thought the strata were shorthands for certain levels, but not sure why.`
`23:21.32`	`Cide`	`newp`
`23:21.33`	`Kandoko`	`Are there any addons that perform similarly to the various elitistjerks dps spreadsheets?`
`23:22.01`	`Cide`	`strata also has priority over layers`
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`23:23.00`	`Amarande`	`Evening`
`23:23.45`	`Amarande`	`hrm`
`23:23.50`	`Amarande`	`I could swear dinging 74 made me weaker`
`23:24.12`	`Amarande`	`at least it seems like I don't kill things as fast as I did when I was 73, and they were -yellow- 71 mobs, go figure heh`
`23:24.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`any of your rating-based stats just went down.`
`23:25.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`http://Foodista.com/`
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`23:29.49`	`Kraps`	`NightHawkTheSane: why couldnt they be lame and name it Foodopedia?`
`23:30.44`	`Amarande`	`aarrgghhh elite pat.`
`23:31.26`	`Amarande`	`and mobs around that sleep you into place.`
`23:31.30`	`Amarande`	`maybe it's time to use my MotH ...`
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`23:32.34`	`Kraps`	`MotH?`
`23:32.45`	`Amarande`	`Medallion of the Horde`
`23:32.47`	`Amarande`	`Heya Lopeppeppy :)`
`23:33.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Heya. I survived Slip and Slide Part II.`
`23:33.19`	`AbsoRayne`	`Lopeppeppy: \o/`
`23:33.51`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Wasn't as bad as going into work, much more sand and salt on the roads. The morning might be a wee bit slippery too, but not hideous. The Great Northeast rocks.`
`23:34.18`	`Kraps`	`indeed`
`23:35.48`	`alestane`	`We may get awful weather not fit for man nor beast, but at least we have some notion of how to deal with it.`
`23:36.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sleep. Lotsa sleeps.`
`23:36.41`	`Kraps`	`uh oh, i keep getting d/ced when i try to log on main`
`23:36.49`	`Corr-work`	`our temp is up to 11 F today. i don't quite want immediately to curse the man who invented cold when i step outside like a couple of days ago.`
`23:36.49`	`Kraps`	`alts work`
`23:37.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You may need to petition on an alt to have a GM relocate you main.`
`23:37.33`	`Lopeppeppy`	`We're at about 20-30F. Just fun for ice.`
`23:37.35`	`Corr-work`	`what's wrong with the character, i wonder`
`23:38.34`	`Kraps`	`relocate?`
`23:38.51`	`Kraps`	`i'm somewhere in northrend`
`23:38.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`They hearth you, or put you in a major city.`
`23:39.23`	`Kraps`	`oh 'im good!`
`23:39.34`	`Kraps`	`nope..`
`23:39.45`	`Kraps`	`i'm in dalaran`
`23:39.46`	`Corr-work`	`where is the character now?`
`23:39.52`	`Corr-work`	`i wonder why it would be causing a disconnection`
`23:40.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Everyone complains about Dalaran,the same way they complained about Shatt causing DC's at first.`
`23:40.32`	`Kraps`	`never had a problem with shatt or dalaran`
`23:40.39`	`Corr-work`	`i don't remember that :o`
`23:40.47`	`Kraps`	`medium pop server`
`23:40.48`	`Amarande`	`hmm`
`23:41.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Shattrath totally booted me for the first 3 months of TBC.`
`23:41.09`	`Amarande`	`am I correct in surmising that the Large Gjalerbron Cage Key is more meant for people trying to quickie run HF at 80, rather than for 74 or so questers?`
`23:41.26`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it's meant for anyone who finds it`
`23:41.56`	`Amarande`	`Night: it seems like one does not have time unless one is super well geared, to get the cage open before being ganked by the Elite`
`23:42.09`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`there's plenty of time if you don't su ck`
`23:42.09`	`Amarande`	`also: HF elites seem to be several times harder than Borean elites.`
`23:42.13`	`foxlit`	`it drops off other things, too.`
`23:42.25`	`Amarande`	`Night: or actually know which mobs are actually going to have to be fought`
`23:42.32`	`Dashkal`	`erm? How so? I had no problem whatsoever using that key without a lich attacking me`
`23:42.41`	`Kraps`	`Amarande: all you have to do is avoid them`
`23:42.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`^^`
`23:42.49`	`Dashkal`	`there's two of them and they have a specific patrol route`
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`23:43.05`	`Amarande`	`Dash: mob appears, has to be eliminated because opening the cage is an easily interruptible action (to use a Guild Wars term), and then the lich shows up while you are eliminating mob 2`
`23:43.08`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it's one of wow's basic retard tests. if you can avoid the static elite patrol, you're probably not a retard`
`23:43.29`	`Dashkal`	`Pull mob away from cage, kill it, wait for pat to pass, open cage`
`23:43.46`	`Amarande`	`Other problem: You think mob isn't there. It's because it's actually chasing other player.`
`23:44.06`	`Amarande`	`Other player gets away, mob resets, and aggros on you, eating your time to get away before lich shows up.`
`23:44.10`	`Kraps`	`guess i'll open a ticket`
`23:44.17`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Amarande: you really fail on a supremely impressive level, don't you`
`23:44.34`	`Dashkal`	`the lich comes by like once every 30-40 seconds or so... this isn't exactly a no-room-for-error situation`
`23:44.41`	`Dashkal`	`much less if some bored DK kills one`
`23:45.16`	`Amarande`	`hmm, am I eminently correct on my other surmisal, namely that HF elites are miles harder than BT ones?`
`23:45.35`	`Tekkub`	`yea that lich is so hard to avoid eyeroll`
`23:45.38`	`Dashkal`	`I could take those mobs at 70 without even switching to frost presence... strictly two-man elietes`
`23:45.50`	`Dashkal`	`erm, 71`
`23:45.55`	`Dashkal`	`I was 71 before I got up there`
`23:46.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i never found quest mobs significantly harder in one zone than the other`
`23:46.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`non-quest elites are trivial to avoid for anyone who's not a fucking idiot`
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`23:46.54`	`Dashkal`	`One thing I was amused by, the lich has the aggro radius of a peanut`
`23:47.20`	`Amarande`	`Dash: aggro radius probably doesn't take model size into account :)`
`23:47.22`	`foxlit`	`Most things have small aggro radii`
`23:47.23`	`Amarande`	`like fel reavers :)`
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`23:47.35`	`Amarande`	`OTOH, then you have tiny mobs with huge radii`
`23:47.37`	`Amarande`	`like Shadra :S`
`23:47.49`	`Dashkal`	`Or the guards outside Tyr's Hand and Hearthglen`
`23:47.52`	`Tekkub`	`and yet my leveling partner gets raped by them all the time`
`23:48.01`	`Amarande`	`I still remember having a fun ninja-like time in Shadra'alor to turn in a quest because someone summoned Shadra and she stayed spawned`
`23:48.05`	`Tekkub`	`even when I run away and type "REAVER"`
`23:48.21`	`Tekkub`	`I get to a safe distance, and watch him not move.. .then *rape(`
`23:48.26`	`Dashkal`	`1) See screen shake/hear sound. 2) Spin camera, 3) Run!`
`23:48.27`	`Amarande`	`hmm`
`23:48.30`	`Amarande`	`am I suspecting correctly`
`23:48.33`	`Kraps`	`high volume of petitions...`
`23:48.37`	`Amarande`	`that Sleep is a "I cast this on the No.2 on the aggro list" spell?`
`23:48.55`	`Tekkub`	`1) see shake/hear noise 2) run 3) find source and adjust course if needed`
`23:48.58`	`Dashkal`	`The sleep-watchers? yeah. They kept sleeping my blood worms`
`23:49.15`	`WobWork`	`So.`
`23:49.22`	`WobWork`	`the Fed Reserve is giong to start printing more money`
`23:49.23`	`Amarande`	`I notice I keep being the one getting put to sleep, even though Leeshmawl doesn't normally lose aggro against squishies`
`23:49.27`	`Dashkal`	`I was spinning my camera before it stopped shaking. Except for one incident on beta, I haven't been stomped yet`
`23:49.29`	`WobWork`	`I predict this will end in tears`
`23:49.33`	`Tekkub`	`yatta more money!`
`23:49.42`	`WobWork`	`this is good for us though =)`
`23:49.43`	`Tekkub`	`they're going to distribute it evenly, right?`
`23:49.54`	`WobWork`	`Hi2u Hyperinflation and devalued USD =P`
`23:49.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tekkub: sure they are`
`23:50.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`WobWork: really, at this point, there's no way to save the us economy`
`23:50.14`	`WobWork`	`NightHawkTheSane: Through the fair medium of the banks and large corporations probably =P`
`23:50.17`	`Tekkub`	`wait, I've not used printed money since BlizzCon`
`23:50.33`	`Tekkub`	`and even then that was just for the places that didn't take CC`
`23:51.14`	`Tekkub`	`what they need to do is mint more quarters`
`23:51.25`	`Tekkub`	`that will stimulate laundry and public transportation`
`23:51.41`	`Tekkub`	`which will in turn save the economy`
`23:51.48`	`Tekkub`	`cause everyone needs to do laundry`
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`23:52.04`	`Dashkal`	`hrm, the armory can see enchants, but it can't see the empty sockets from blacksmithing. same with item links. I wonder what wasn't coded`
`23:58.13`	`Kraps`	`maybe i need to get glyph of inner fire, i never remember to keep it up`
`23:59.28`	`Tem\|afk`	`Tekkub, lol I haven't used paper money either since then`

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