| 00:01.13 | Maldivia | any druids? |
| 00:01.26 | Wobin | foxlit: hm, the tradeskills ring doesn't seem to do anything for me |
| 00:01.39 | Wobin | I clicky clicky, but nothing happens |
| 00:01.49 | foxlit | debug info plx :) |
| 00:01.59 | Wobin | how to turn on? |
| 00:02.06 | foxlit | Meh, "turn on"! |
| 00:02.17 | foxlit | This is the old-fashioned solve-my-problem-for-me debug info :) |
| 00:02.24 | foxlit | English client, right? |
| 00:02.29 | Wobin | indeed |
| 00:02.37 | foxlit | And the latest opie version |
| 00:02.39 | Maldivia | or well, for the druids out there: http://seriouslycasual.org/screens/fish_feral.png :) |
| 00:02.45 | Wobin | yep |
| 00:02.48 | Wobin | downloaded today |
| 00:02.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: holy crapsticks! |
| 00:03.11 | foxlit | Which tradeskills? |
| 00:03.26 | Maldivia | nighthawk: fresh screenshot from the PTR :) |
| 00:03.33 | Wobin | oh wait my bad |
| 00:03.43 | Wobin | I was clicking but I should be just mouseovering and untriggering |
| 00:03.50 | foxlit | boo, hiss! |
| 00:03.58 | Wobin | not obvious! =) |
| 00:04.16 | foxlit | It's slightly annoying; I probably shouldn't skin them like buttons |
| 00:04.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: now, do we have a conversion rate for dps -> FAP? |
| 00:04.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: and, if so, wtb tooltip addon? :D |
| 00:04.54 | Maldivia | nighthawk: (dps-55) * 14 |
| 00:05.32 | NightHawkTheSane | that makes a suspicious amount of sense. |
| 00:05.51 | Dashkal | Hrm, need a way to express that in pawn so I can evaluate feral value when not on my druid... |
| 00:06.26 | Maldivia | for a bit more realistic item feral druids now might want: http://seriouslycasual.org/screens/defeat_feral.png |
| 00:06.53 | Dashkal | That weapon now makes my druid very happy in the pants... |
| 00:07.15 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, whats that weapon from? |
| 00:07.20 | Maldivia | naxx25 |
| 00:07.24 | NightHawkTheSane | nice |
| 00:07.27 | Maldivia | or is is KT10 |
| 00:07.29 | Maldivia | cant remember |
| 00:07.41 | NightHawkTheSane | with luck, KT10, better chance of getting that on my druid thene |
| 00:07.46 | End | there's something wrong with my guild |
| 00:07.50 | End | we have too many healers |
| 00:07.53 | End | and not enough dps |
| 00:07.54 | Maldivia | ahh, trash naxx 25 |
| 00:08.08 | foxlit | quit hogging healers, you #@$#@$@#$@ 234@#$@#$@#$ 23423$@#$@#$@#. |
| 00:08.11 | foxlit | :) |
| 00:08.16 | End | :P |
| 00:08.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: in theory, if 1 AP = 1 point in Pawn, then 1 DPS = .0714 points in pawn. but that doesn't really account for the -55 :\ |
| 00:08.50 | Dashkal | NHtS: Exactly the problem |
| 00:09.23 | NightHawkTheSane | imo, pester the Pawn author to subtract 55 from all dps values before any calculation |
| 00:09.28 | Dashkal | Then again, I could just ignore it. The skew doesn't matter at level 80 |
| 00:09.45 | NightHawkTheSane | it'd be a non-issue in 99/100 cases for non-druids, but would solve the problem for druids |
| 00:09.53 | NightHawkTheSane | also true |
| 00:10.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet, I'm now riding a very fast rug |
| 00:10.27 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. although, how does that scaling work for weapons with DPS < 55? do they just provide '0' FAP? |
| 00:10.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: thats not a nice way to talk about your girlfriend/wife/S.O |
| 00:10.59 | Dashkal | NHtS: yep. Feral AP applies post-60 because the "natural" DPS stops scaling at 60 |
| 00:11.04 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44558 |
| 00:11.28 | End | it works in dalaran too |
| 00:11.30 | End | :x |
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| 00:12.11 | ScytheBlade1 | If it wasn't a vehicle then I'd probably use it too |
| 00:12.49 | Maldivia | hmm, how would a warrior fare with a high dps staff? |
| 00:12.51 | Xiro | hey, what are some good tank stats to start heroics in northrend? I'm currently @ paladin with 17.3k hp, 455 Defense, 21.4k armor |
| 00:13.03 | NightHawkTheSane | you'll want vastly more defense. |
| 00:13.10 | NightHawkTheSane | and, really, more health too. |
| 00:13.17 | foxlit | AND MORE EPICS. |
| 00:13.18 | Wobin | 520ish is the cap, no? |
| 00:13.27 | zenzelezz | for what class |
| 00:13.27 | NightHawkTheSane | 540 is the cap for 'boss' mobs |
| 00:13.32 | NightHawkTheSane | 535 is the cap for heroics, imo |
| 00:13.35 | NightHawkTheSane | er, iirc* |
| 00:13.37 | NightHawkTheSane | bah |
| 00:13.37 | Xiro | yeah, but to get the epics don't you have to run the heroics? |
| 00:13.50 | zenzelezz | no |
| 00:13.57 | foxlit | Xiro: stop applying logic to my madness. |
| 00:13.59 | Dashkal | Or reputations (though the tabard rep gain in normal 80s is REALLY slow) |
| 00:14.08 | zenzelezz | Xiro: there are crafted items with tons of defense |
| 00:14.19 | Dashkal | get the daunting gauntlents and legplates |
| 00:14.21 | foxlit | zenzelezz: but, mostly, they suck. |
| 00:14.24 | NightHawkTheSane | you should really be able to get to ~520ish defence before stepping into a heroic, at least |
| 00:14.24 | zenzelezz | which will allow you to do the stuff you get epics from |
| 00:14.26 | p3lim | Anyone know if Dominos can be single-button faded based on cooldown? |
| 00:14.30 | Xiro | bah, money... I'm still trying to save for epic flyer on this toon |
| 00:14.36 | zenzelezz | foxlit: they're better than being crittable |
| 00:14.36 | Maldivia | ohh, crystalizes earth got a new icon |
| 00:14.39 | Xiro | should not have bought it on my mage |
| 00:15.06 | foxlit | But, for the original question |
| 00:15.16 | foxlit | You should be able to get better tank gear through level 78-80 quests. |
| 00:15.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Frankly, i was having a hard time healing a def capped warrior with 20k health in heroics, no chance i'd run with anyone with less health |
| 00:15.54 | Xiro | none of the gear from questing was better than what I have on: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Dethecus&n=Xiro |
| 00:15.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Evidently my carpet has an "attack" |
| 00:15.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I'm curious |
| 00:16.38 | Dewin | rugburn? |
| 00:17.10 | foxlit | Meh, I've tanked heroics with ~20k health. |
| 00:17.35 | foxlit | And while extremely crittable, too. |
| 00:17.53 | foxlit | (come to think of it, I still haven't reached the defense cap -- annoying, that.) |
| 00:18.29 | Xiro | maybe I'll just go ret for a while... |
| 00:18.33 | foxlit | (of course, DK tanking is a bit skewed) |
| 00:18.34 | Xiro | ... or holy |
| 00:18.40 | zenzelezz | how crucial defense is for heroics really depends on the instance in question |
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| 00:19.33 | NightHawkTheSane | its not terribly crucial, but 455 is disturbingly low. |
| 00:19.40 | foxlit | I haven't yet hit a problem with my lack of defense (okay, 518 isn't "bad", but it's not "capped") |
| 00:19.59 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: 520 is probably where i'd ballpark an "okay" place to be for heroics |
| 00:20.00 | Xiro | I just want to make sure when I get in there that I don't get dropped within the first 5 minutes |
| 00:20.02 | foxlit | And the only thing I've left to tank is heroic HoL |
| 00:20.14 | NightHawkTheSane | give or take, obviously |
| 00:20.43 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, it's easy |
| 00:21.00 | Dewin | Not when all your DPS can't stand right on Loken |
| 00:21.07 | mikma | HoL is easymode for tank imho |
| 00:21.11 | Dewin | For tank yeah |
| 00:21.16 | foxlit | Idiots are idiots, no matter what instance they're in. |
| 00:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, its easy if your group isn't made of fail :P |
| 00:21.30 | Dewin | Nighthawkthesane: hunter DPS is not DPS if they're standing on the thing they're supposed to be DPSing |
| 00:21.33 | foxlit | I've actually wiped the group in CoS |
| 00:21.43 | foxlit | I... forgot to turn on frost Presence. |
| 00:21.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: i've done HoL with a hunter, he did okay |
| 00:21.56 | foxlit | We found out on one of the trash packs after Meathook |
| 00:22.00 | Dewin | yeah, we did okay eventually. |
| 00:22.19 | Dewin | Our old non-heroic strategy of running AotWild and my wife healing through it without people running out doesn't quite work in heroic |
| 00:22.20 | NightHawkTheSane | for ranged, you can kinda stand back a little bit |
| 00:22.36 | NightHawkTheSane | you'll take a bit more damage from the aura, but you get out of the blast a lot easier |
| 00:22.40 | Dewin | so we had the 2 warriors + my wife (holy priest) stay in and the hunters alone ran away from the blast |
| 00:22.44 | foxlit | Meh, it's just Murmur. |
| 00:22.51 | Dewin | Disengage rocked for that too |
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| 00:22.57 | Dewin | too bad the cooldown only lets you use it every other time |
| 00:23.14 | Dewin | also, the aura is nature damage but AotWild doesn't reduce it at all :( |
| 00:23.21 | NightHawkTheSane | I find that damn bronzebeard event in HoS much more obnoxious |
| 00:23.28 | NightHawkTheSane | for some reason my group always has trouble there |
| 00:23.35 | Dewin | haven't done HoS on heroic yet |
| 00:23.49 | Dewin | I only ran HoL because I had 3 quests that needed it (though none required it to be heroic) |
| 00:24.01 | NightHawkTheSane | (although, we did manage to get the Brann Spankin' New achievement) |
| 00:24.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: except for that event, HoS is really easy on heroic. |
| 00:24.30 | NightHawkTheSane | none of the bosses do anything particularly new |
| 00:25.01 | Dewin | Heh. |
| 00:25.13 | Lukian | housemate says that low defense (455) means they're not wearing tanking gear. just by selecting tanking rewards you can get way higher than that |
| 00:25.22 | Dewin | My wife and I duoed Gruul Jr. on our first HoS run... and I didn't even have the tank pet with me |
| 00:25.26 | foxlit | Even the event is more of a DPS show than a tank issue. |
| 00:25.33 | Dewin | Nobody knew anything about the boss, so the 3 melees killed each other on the first shatter. |
| 00:26.03 | Dewin | Cat had avoidance and was back just far enough to survive it. |
| 00:26.13 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: yeah, probably. we seemed to have issues with stuff not getting killed fast enough or stuff getting by the tank :\ which is odd, because we've got most of the (reasonable) dps race achievements. |
| 00:27.04 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: it's a bit more AoE-reliant than most of the other dps checks. |
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| 00:27.38 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i suspect its one place a dk tank would really shine |
| 00:27.51 | foxlit | Indeed, it's mostly a breeze. |
| 00:28.15 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* i've been running with a warrior tank, he's good, but it has it's limitations as far as aoe tanking goes |
| 00:28.42 | foxlit | Between D&D, Pestilence, and Unholy Blight, things are going swimmingly on that event for me. |
| 00:28.59 | foxlit | But the Tuning Fork of Justice refuses to drop :( |
| 00:29.05 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 00:29.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i think we saw that twice. >< |
| 00:29.18 | NightHawkTheSane | and twice it was vendored |
| 00:29.32 | foxlit | qq! |
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| 00:32.11 | Dewin | Tuning Fork of Justice? |
| 00:34.26 | NightHawkTheSane | "Sword of Justice" look up the model :p |
| 00:34.35 | Dashkal | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37653 |
| 00:34.37 | Wobin | A220! |
| 00:35.03 | Dashkal | Meh, things like that are nice and shiny... but I'm hit constrained. I can't give up my dredlord's blade yet |
| 00:35.14 | zenzelezz | I take peculiar amounts of amusement from the fact that they made the fist from Kel'Thuzad look like something out of Gnomeregan |
| 00:35.59 | NightHawkTheSane | gah, im going to murder someone if i dont get some icy pigment soon |
| 00:42.58 | abyx | then you'd have to rename yourself to NightHawkTheInsane eh eh |
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| 00:48.29 | NightHawkTheSane | if i dont get some icy pigment soon, i will be >< |
| 00:48.38 | NightHawkTheSane | i've milled like 50 herbs |
| 00:48.42 | foxlit | Dashkal: That won't drop for me, either. |
| 00:49.01 | foxlit | Although I keep doing it on Heroic. |
| 00:49.05 | foxlit | Perhaps that's my mistake. |
| 00:49.21 | NightHawkTheSane | "this item only drops in heroic mode"...? |
| 00:49.43 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: not the tuning fork. |
| 00:49.44 | Dashkal | foxlit: eh, the argent skeleton crusher is still better, except for the lack of hit. |
| 00:50.01 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: er, yes? thats what wowhead says.. |
| 00:50.03 | foxlit | Dashkal: Unfortunately, that's a mace. |
| 00:50.25 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: no, the item I'm referring to isn't the tuning fork, but dreadlord's blade |
| 00:50.29 | NightHawkTheSane | oh |
| 00:50.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i see, my mistake, i got confused |
| 00:51.27 | Dashkal | foxlit: so? (I got my maces up to 400 in about two hours) |
| 00:51.40 | foxlit | That's two wasted hours :) |
| 00:51.51 | Dashkal | Just sit in unholy presence and hammer on something in your tank gear |
| 00:52.24 | Dashkal | Some of the best DK items in the game are maces, so I figured I might as well bite the bullet and work it up |
| 00:52.36 | foxlit | I also have an axe. |
| 00:52.53 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43281 << but again, no skill. |
| 00:52.57 | Dashkal | I already worked that one up (had the deraged waraxe until then |
| 00:53.10 | mikma | dashkal: are you talking about dualwield? |
| 00:53.22 | Dashkal | mikma: neg. DW I'm leveling strictly for the achievement |
| 00:53.52 | mikma | dashkal: level weaponskills? |
| 00:53.59 | Dashkal | I used to use the ZD arena blue axe to 80, then switched to the dredlord's blade. Just now switching to the skeleton crusher but cannot for bosses due to lack of hit |
| 00:54.01 | foxlit | Still, can't help but feel that 3.0.8 is going to be a mitigation nerf |
| 00:54.35 | Dashkal | I'm dedicated blood, nothing but a buff to me :p |
| 00:54.35 | NightHawkTheSane | 80% armor bonus and 15% reduction from magic, and you call it a nerf. :P |
| 00:54.36 | mikma | it is |
| 00:54.53 | foxlit | Yeah, but they butcher my abilities at the same time. |
| 00:55.02 | foxlit | And the armor bonus is already 60% |
| 00:55.03 | mikma | bone armor gets mitigation nerf, ocebound fortitude gets mitigation nerf |
| 00:55.24 | mikma | talking about keeping your ghoul alive in instances |
| 00:55.26 | mikma | phew |
| 00:55.33 | mikma | glad we get the raise player |
| 00:55.35 | Dashkal | Funny thing is about the only pvp effect this has on me is no more broken rune strike crits (I agree, it needed nerf) and I use only frost presence when I'm being attacked |
| 00:55.42 | foxlit | So +20% of my armor is probably going to end up being... oh, I don't know. 10% less damage per landed hit? |
| 00:55.51 | p3lim | Anyone know if Dominos can be single-button faded based on cooldown? |
| 00:56.12 | Dashkal | foxlit: the point was to make the oh shit buttons oh shit buttons not "keep them up as much as I possibly can" buttons |
| 00:56.17 | foxlit | While my dive-into-a-group-and-survive metric is going to take a massive hit. |
| 00:56.45 | foxlit | Dashkal: In the process, they seem close to "oh shit it won't save me" buttons. |
| 00:57.15 | Dashkal | As they were they were almost paladin bubbles |
| 00:57.48 | foxlit | not quite 100% :) |
| 00:58.04 | Dashkal | not quite, but close. the health bar stops falling pretty quickly, yet you suffer very little cost |
| 00:58.25 | foxlit | Your cost comes at the end of those 12 seconds. |
| 00:58.34 | foxlit | If you made the wrong choice and thing are still alive, you'll die. |
| 00:58.38 | foxlit | Which is fair enough :) |
| 00:58.39 | Dashkal | I was surprised by the nerf. I was expecting a cooldown increase |
| 00:59.18 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, a CD increase doesn't affect pvp as much |
| 00:59.35 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I can pop IBF twice a fight easily, more if it's a low damage spec I'm up against |
| 00:59.50 | Dashkal | Fights with resto shammies... futility |
| 00:59.52 | mikma | Tapping: All player spells which cause a creature to become aggressive to you will now also immediately cause the creature to be tapped. |
| 00:59.54 | mikma | wooooooooooo |
| 01:00.01 | mikma | death grip tagging! |
| 01:00.13 | foxlit | boo, hiss. Imp Icy Touch already :) |
| 01:00.30 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: yay, fff tagging! |
| 01:01.41 | foxlit | Anyhow, my actual issue with the -%damage changes is whether the frost presence buff is sufficient to enable you to run into packs of mobs and still survive without excessive healing. |
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| 01:03.40 | Shirik|Ecole | rawr |
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| 01:06.37 | ZorbaTHut | yay finally at 80 |
| 01:06.57 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf am I watching on Batman |
| 01:07.34 | Shirik|Ecole | "People of Earth: Surrender the one known as 'Santa Claus' so that the children of Neptune may get the presents they have so long been deprived of, or Earth will be destroyed!" |
| 01:07.39 | Shirik|Ecole | When did Batman go sci-fi? |
| 01:08.02 | Kirov | Which batman? |
| 01:08.07 | Shirik|Ecole | on Cartoon Network |
| 01:08.12 | Kirov | Which one? |
| 01:08.19 | Shirik|Ecole | something about brave and bold? |
| 01:08.21 | Shirik|Ecole | I dunno |
| 01:08.23 | Kirov | There's like 3 different animated Batmans |
| 01:08.36 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't really watch this |
| 01:08.37 | Corrodias | let's see... |
| 01:08.40 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm just laying here |
| 01:08.53 | foxlit | Kirov: just one relatively new CN one |
| 01:09.06 | Corrodias | looks like a justice league one, or maybe 'superman & batman' or whatever it was called |
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| 01:10.05 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_Beyond possibly |
| 01:10.13 | foxlit | But those are... old. 2001 |
| 01:10.16 | Shirik|Ecole | "Batman: The Brave and the Bold" |
| 01:10.18 | Corrodias | no, batman beyond is a different guy in a different suit |
| 01:10.21 | Shirik|Ecole | just heard it as they went to commercial |
| 01:10.28 | Corrodias | it's a black suit with red things on it |
| 01:11.41 | Shirik|Ecole | Apparently it debuted only a few weeks ago |
| 01:24.39 | Tekkub | Batman: The Bold and the Beautiful |
| 01:30.58 | DjinnWraith | hey :) dont suppose anyone would be able to give me a hand real quick with editing the Quick DKP V2 output code? :P |
| 01:31.27 | DjinnWraith | trying to add a $SPEND to the output to show 75% of $NET |
| 01:32.41 | Dewin | OT: Bleh, I hate wiki software. |
| 01:34.10 | mikma | Batman: The Bold and the Beautiful |
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| 01:35.56 | Shirik|Ecole | is that you, mikma? |
| 01:36.27 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6UqdvMRb3k |
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| 01:46.57 | Dewin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13392292636&sid=1 <-- Some people really are too stupid to own a computer. |
| 01:47.49 | NightHawkTheSane | s/own a computer// |
| 01:47.52 | Shirik|Ecole | How do you convince Internet Explorer to REALLY refresh a page? |
| 01:48.02 | abyx | ctrl-f5 i believe |
| 01:48.03 | NightHawkTheSane | use firefox |
| 01:48.27 | NightHawkTheSane | also, i thought it was shift-f5 |
| 01:48.41 | Wobin | shift |
| 01:48.43 | |pez| | some browsers do both, actually. |
| 01:49.08 | Shirik|Ecole | shift f5 did nothing, ctrl f5 has the same problem |
| 01:49.34 | Shirik|Ecole | I require a cert to access one of my pages, and I told IE the wrong one, and now I just keep getting "Internet explorer cannot display this webpage" instead of it asking for another cert |
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| 01:51.43 | Shirik|Ecole | Found it :) I needed to click "Clear SSL State" |
| 01:52.18 | sylvanaar | any news on ptr? |
| 01:56.17 | kd3 | ok. I'm back this time for hopefully more than a few minutes |
| 01:57.36 | Esamynn | dang, are you sure? |
| 01:57.44 | Esamynn | err, I mean... |
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| 01:57.48 | Esamynn | 8) |
| 01:57.50 | Esamynn | evening Iriel |
| 01:58.31 | Shirik|Ecole | hi kd3, Iriel |
| 01:58.38 | kd3 | 'lo |
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| 02:11.35 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. there's nothing useful to do with the commendations from the non-heroic daily after you're exalted with everyone, right? |
| 02:19.36 | Wobin | That's the best cover of that song I've heard in a while |
| 02:21.00 | Wobin | mikma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6UqdvMRb3k |
| 02:23.07 | Wobin | Cairenn: ^ |
| 02:23.29 | sacarasc | not telling me to watch it? :o |
| 02:23.34 | sacarasc | meanie! |
| 02:24.15 | Wobin | sacarasc: ^ |
| 02:24.23 | sacarasc | <3 |
| 02:38.33 | Arrowmaster | so i just exploited the Shafted! achievement |
| 02:39.10 | Arrowmaster | i had a gift pack with 5 silver shafted arrows in my mail, and i noticed when i used the first one that i got credit for it before the cast finished |
| 02:39.39 | Arrowmaster | so now im running around dalaran giving everybody a peddlefeet compainion without using up any silver shafted arrows |
| 02:40.46 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 02:44.10 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W75O-x2C3s |
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| 02:45.58 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:46.15 | sacarasc | it's ok though, everyone ridicules mine too |
| 02:46.30 | Shirik | Is this better? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2HhJkOsFus |
| 02:47.37 | sacarasc | something a bit more like this; http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl6d7nitAns (warning, this is definitely not for everyone) |
| 02:49.09 | sacarasc | it's quite a tame one, really, but you get the picture |
| 02:49.23 | Shirik | o.O |
| 02:49.25 | Shirik | how is this music |
| 02:50.21 | Coren{de} | <3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdWhlo9b9zg |
| 02:50.57 | Arrowmaster | half of dalaran has peddlefeet compainions now on my server |
| 02:51.07 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 02:51.19 | sacarasc | Shirik: it's just fun and different |
| 02:51.31 | Wobin | Coren{de}: Symphonic metal is kinda cool |
| 02:52.10 | Wobin | They went all out on the set =) |
| 02:53.23 | Coren{de} | Wobin, I was almost getting away from Metal until I got to know this kind ;) |
| 02:54.25 | sacarasc | NightHawkTheSane: re: commendations. Send them to me! |
| 02:54.49 | sacarasc | I don't care if you can't, just do it |
| 02:54.49 | NightHawkTheSane | sacarasc: a) soulbound, b) different realm i imagine, c) fuck you! :p |
| 02:55.12 | sacarasc | what a nice person you are |
| 02:55.22 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed |
| 02:56.11 | Wobin | Well.. |
| 02:56.11 | Wobin | He's not NightHawkTheNice |
| 02:56.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 02:56.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i would be "NightHawkTheAsshole", but that's too long for freenode |
| 02:56.30 | Wobin | NightHawkTheButt? |
| 02:56.52 | Coren{de} | otoh c) is kinda slippery for TehSane ;D |
| 02:57.31 | Corrodias | nighthawkthemean, thejerk, theass, thepunk, themook |
| 02:57.47 | Corrodias | :D or maybe we can take it in the other direction |
| 02:57.47 | Coren{de} | TheBlunt? |
| 02:57.47 | Corrodias | thegreat, thesweet, thelove~ |
| 03:00.46 | Coren{de} | whyohwhy does the patch not apply cleanly... *sighs* |
| 03:00.53 | Arrowmaster | omfg so many peddlefeets |
| 03:00.53 | Arrowmaster | people are asking whats going on in chat |
| 03:00.54 | Corrodias | lol |
| 03:00.54 | Arrowmaster | i love this bug |
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| 03:05.45 | |pez| | I've been blowing my nose a gazillion times the last hour. |
| 03:06.19 | Wobin | ~rimshot |
| 03:06.20 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 03:06.52 | Arrowmaster | |Jelly|: you should see what i did to dalaran when you get out of naxx |
| 03:07.21 | |pez| | ... what'd you do to Dalaran? :o |
| 03:07.59 | |Jelly| | errm. lol |
| 03:08.58 | sacarasc | yes, what did you do? |
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| 03:11.14 | Arrowmaster | over half the city has peddlefeets following them |
| 03:11.14 | sacarasc | why and/or how? |
| 03:11.57 | NightHawkTheSane | silver shafted arrow |
| 03:13.12 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 03:18.42 | TSR_lawl | question |
| 03:18.51 | TSR_lawl | I want it to send /laugh, but everything I've tried makes it send "/laugh" to the channel as opposed to just doing the emote. |
| 03:19.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i assume you mean programatically? |
| 03:19.39 | NightHawkTheSane | DoEmote() |
| 03:19.46 | TSR_lawl | yea |
| 03:19.58 | TSR_lawl | well i mean all "/xxx" commands |
| 03:20.22 | TSR_lawl | i've tried SendChatMessage |
| 03:20.45 | TSR_lawl | the built in outSAY of the addon (just does a SendChatMessage to guild) |
| 03:20.57 | Wobin | ^ |
| 03:21.16 | Shirik | !api DoEmote |
| 03:21.16 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'DoEmote' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/DoEmote |
| 03:21.20 | Shirik | oh, NightHawkTheSane already said this :( |
| 03:21.33 | TSR_lawl | Okay, let's try another example. |
| 03:22.29 | TSR_lawl | I want to make the addon send "/script PlaySound("SOUND FILE")", but it just sends that to the currently open chat channel. |
| 03:22.40 | NightHawkTheSane | have you tried just.. calling PlaySound() |
| 03:22.40 | Shirik | You need to look up how to execute a /foo and execute its relevant function |
| 03:23.53 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: He wants any slash command |
| 03:23.53 | Shirik | TSR_lawl: Do you know how to create slash commands? |
| 03:24.04 | TSR_lawl | yea |
| 03:24.04 | TSR_lawl | i have been |
| 03:24.04 | Shirik | Then do the inverse of it |
| 03:24.04 | TSR_lawl | i just cant get it to send this |
| 03:24.04 | Shirik | Figure out what a slash command is and execute it |
| 03:24.04 | Shirik | You can't send it, it just... well... sends it |
| 03:24.04 | Shirik | You need to execute it yourself |
| 03:24.05 | NightHawkTheSane | every slash command has its own (relatively) unique implementation on the back end.. you'd need to call those yourself |
| 03:24.05 | Shirik | Run through all the SLASH_ entries, figure out what to run it, and execute it |
| 03:25.49 | ckknight | any Chinese or Korean players on? |
| 03:27.12 | TSR_lawl | confession... i dont REALLY know how to create slash commands... i just looked at the other ones in this addon and sorta followed the theme :-/ |
| 03:27.45 | cbreak | look up the handler in the table, and execute it |
| 03:28.05 | cbreak | you have the key, right? |
| 03:28.15 | cbreak | just read the addon code if you don't |
| 03:29.17 | Shirik | TSR_lawl: See, that's a problem |
| 03:29.28 | Shirik | You need to know what you're doing |
| 03:29.28 | Shirik | not just blindly copy code |
| 03:29.53 | Shirik | You will not learn anything, nor be able to help yourself in the future, if you are merely copying examples. The best problems are as of yet unsolved -- how are you going to solve any unsolved problems if you're just copying solutions? |
| 03:30.40 | Shirik | There's nothing wrong with copying code to start, it's a good way to learn. But you need to actually go through it and say to yourself "Ah, now I understand why they did that!" |
| 03:30.40 | cbreak | patents are supposed to be solutions to unsolved problems... most of them are only obvious copies of previous work :( |
| 03:30.47 | Shirik | but used in a new way |
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| 03:31.05 | TSR_lawl | i have been trying to read and understand |
| 03:31.13 | Shirik | To be frank, this problem is also already solved. It's in the WoW Interface code |
| 03:31.21 | TSR_lawl | yea |
| 03:31.31 | cbreak | you can make it statically I guess |
| 03:31.48 | TSR_lawl | i figured it out by copying code and editting it with what I needed. |
| 03:31.55 | TSR_lawl | http://www.worldofwar.net/forums/showpost.php?s=98668935b91f1c4605d6a9e269ef1bbb&p=3893038&postcount=5 |
| 03:32.16 | cbreak | *shiver* |
| 03:32.21 | TSR_lawl | i know i know |
| 03:32.57 | cbreak | I don't know how it works, but I am quite sure there's a better way |
| 03:33.02 | TSR_lawl | prolly is |
| 03:33.11 | cbreak | read the WoW UI code as Shirik said, it should contain the functions that are executed |
| 03:34.42 | TSR_lawl | I'm unsure of what exactly you want me to read... The .pub files from the Blizzard_xxxUI folders? |
| 03:35.34 | cbreak | no |
| 03:35.40 | cbreak | the lua files in FrameXML |
| 03:35.49 | cbreak | ChatFrame.lua probably |
| 03:36.03 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 03:36.09 | cbreak | or can't you just create a secure button |
| 03:36.12 | cbreak | and set macrotext? |
| 03:36.30 | cbreak | that way you could execute special slash commands like /cast too |
| 03:37.56 | End | hm, just got two blue quality gems out of my icy prism...looks like it is the new brilliant glass...the frozen orb cost makes me kinda cringe though |
| 03:39.31 | cbreak | look at ChatEdit_ParseText |
| 03:45.10 | NightHawkTheSane | End: you aren't swimming in frozen orbs by now? ;\ |
| 03:45.27 | Tekkub | huh huh |
| 03:45.46 | cbreak | frozen orbs are rare :/ |
| 03:45.58 | NightHawkTheSane | rare? |
| 03:46.07 | cbreak | you can only get them in heroics, which are a pain to go to |
| 03:46.16 | cbreak | because of the requirement to find a tank |
| 03:46.16 | cbreak | which are even rarer than frozen orbs |
| 03:46.17 | End | NightHawkTheSane: not swimming in them |
| 03:46.36 | End | I have 6 though |
| 03:46.36 | NightHawkTheSane | i've got 5 im doing nothing with.. i know the tank i run with has 7 or so |
| 03:46.43 | Tekkub | I'm up to my chin in orbs! |
| 03:46.43 | End | I've probably sold...3 or 4 |
| 03:46.48 | End | I sold them when they were 300g a piece on the AH though :P |
| 03:47.24 | |pez| | what the spork is brilliant glass anyway? |
| 03:48.55 | cbreak | ~framexml |
| 03:48.55 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 03:49.29 | End | |pez|: brilliant glass created blue quality gems from a bunch of green quality |
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| 03:59.41 | Shirik|Ecole | Anyone here use tortoisesvn with svn+ssh? |
| 03:59.52 | Shirik|Ecole | Mine's just locking up doing nothing :( |
| 04:03.21 | Shirik|Ecole | is the PTR up? |
| 04:04.15 | Tekkub | svn+ssh, lawl, good luck with that |
| 04:04.24 | Shirik|Ecole | It works on my desktop! |
| 04:04.53 | AnduinLothar | what's wrong with svn+ssh? |
| 04:05.08 | End | unless the PTR just went down |
| 04:05.08 | End | it's up |
| 04:05.15 | End | dalaran is deserted though |
| 04:07.13 | End | oops |
| 04:07.26 | End | according to wowinsider though... |
| 04:07.40 | Tekkub | what do they know? |
| 04:07.40 | End | "Unless you were in the beta, you will not be able to access any WotLK content (or characters above 70 for that matter). Also, on the copy page, PvE lands you on a Spanish PvP server, and PvP lands you on a US English PvE server." |
| 04:07.51 | End | Silly ptr! |
| 04:08.32 | sacarasc | haha |
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| 04:16.36 | NightHawkTheSane | what? |
| 04:24.43 | sacarasc | NightHawkThePain |
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| 04:41.53 | Dashkal | Ok, I'm lost. How do I gain weaponsmithing in 3.0? I can find the trainer in ironforge, but he won't teach me the recipies or give me a quest. No luck in wintergrasp either |
| 04:41.59 | Dashkal | spring* |
| 04:43.05 | Codayus_ | Unless it's been hotfixed and you're seeing a SEPERATE bug...I believe Bliz broke BS specializations. |
| 04:43.18 | Codayus_ | You can't get them right now. |
| 04:44.05 | Dashkal | bleh |
| 04:44.18 | Dashkal | ok, must find another way to gain these points then. was following a guide |
| 04:44.36 | Codayus_ | ~fail Bliz |
| 04:44.37 | purl | Bliz, you Fail! |
| 04:47.45 | Thunder_Child | ~lol kd3 |
| 04:47.46 | purl | ACTION Laughs out Loud at kd3 |
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| 05:08.27 | Arsonide | I'm looking for a UI compilation but everything I'm finding is either ridiculously minimalistic or ridiculously cluttered. I can't find a medium anywhere. :( RothUI looked promising but it's kind of squished in the center (It's not made for widescreen.) And the bars aren't working for me. |
| 05:09.25 | Arsonide | There's this thing in some mods I'm checking out where instead of a crappy player portrait there's this awesome banner type picture with gradients and a view of the player from a slant and stuff. |
| 05:09.29 | Torhal | Arsonide: I'm trying to understand. You + UI Compilation == WowAce...HOW? |
| 05:10.37 | haste | where does it mention wowace? |
| 05:10.41 | Arsonide | Dunno scrolled up and found some people talking about weaponsmithing and stuff, didn't know the topic police were around. |
| 05:10.47 | haste | there aren't |
| 05:10.51 | Thunder_Child | Arsonide, so find one you more or less like and rearange it |
| 05:11.06 | Torhal | I am SERIOUSLY trying to NOT be an asshole here...but...WoWAce is a _developer_ community. We write addons. How does UI _COMPLIATIONS_ compute in the equation? |
| 05:11.15 | haste | Torhal: wrong channel |
| 05:11.19 | Arsonide | Well, you failed. |
| 05:11.41 | Torhal | Arsonide: Wow. Ok. |
| 05:11.53 | Arsonide | Thunder_Child: I was considering learning lua and playing with Roth UI. |
| 05:12.10 | Thunder_Child | dobut you need to learn lua to move around the gui Arsonide |
| 05:12.14 | Thunder_Child | doubt* |
| 05:12.18 | Torhal | I said that I completely fail to understand how this channel coincides with what you're saking, and I'm an asshole. Yay. |
| 05:12.40 | ZorbaTHut | sigh. there is a fury warrior in this group without titan's grip. :( |
| 05:12.48 | Thunder_Child | Torhal, this channel is hardly dev only |
| 05:13.04 | Arsonide | A lot of the settings are lua only it seems. I don't think I need to know full on lua, but a little bit might help. I really just want to make it wider. |
| 05:13.17 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: You're right. However, when people join to ONLY ask those questions...BLARGH! |
| 05:13.32 | Arsonide | Torhal: I've been in this channel for several days. |
| 05:13.38 | Thunder_Child | Torhal, i dont dev but i idle in here mor than some ops |
| 05:13.53 | Thunder_Child | more* |
| 05:13.53 | Torhal | Ok. Ok. |
| 05:14.42 | Torhal | I'm just saying: I' seing more and more BS here than normal. And in a forum, a moderator would say "Go THERE. NOT here." |
| 05:14.54 | Torhal | Now... |
| 05:14.57 | Thunder_Child | where else is there to go? |
| 05:15.10 | Torhal | I'm sorry again, if I'm being an asshole. |
| 05:15.20 | Torhal | That is NOT my intent. |
| 05:15.41 | Torhal | I'm simply saying...this is NOT a User Interface channel. |
| 05:15.54 | haste | but it is a channel for discussion of random UI related matters |
| 05:15.57 | Torhal | We can, and DO tallk about such things. |
| 05:16.01 | Thunder_Child | since wow-lounge melded into here i would have to say it does |
| 05:16.04 | haste | so the question is completely valid |
| 05:16.14 | Thunder_Child | wowi0lounge* |
| 05:16.20 | Thunder_Child | s/0/-/ |
| 05:16.25 | haste | :D |
| 05:16.36 | Thunder_Child | i do so fail at typing today |
| 05:16.50 | haste | it's 6AM here, you can blame it on that |
| 05:16.58 | Torhal | All I am saying is that here recently every conceivable person has coe here asking questions which are completely offtopic,. |
| 05:17.03 | Thunder_Child | it's only 9pm here |
| 05:17.03 | Arsonide | Torhal: *Is* there a UI channel? |
| 05:17.15 | Torhal | And I do usually try my best to help folks. |
| 05:17.28 | Arsonide | I'd go there to ask if there was more than one. |
| 05:17.28 | Thunder_Child | hahaha, topic.....in here..... |
| 05:17.35 | Thunder_Child | *snicker* |
| 05:17.52 | Torhal | Arsonide: I really have no clue. |
| 05:18.06 | haste | Torhal: it was wowi-lounge in a way |
| 05:18.15 | Arsonide | Unless you have a suggestion of a better place to go, then why are you complaining. |
| 05:19.21 | Torhal | Arsonide: Because of a few reasons. WoWAce has always been a developer community. Also, I am constantly seeing non-developers coming in asking non-developer questions. |
| 05:19.31 | Torhal | I usually help these people. |
| 05:19.35 | haste | _why_ are you mentioning wowace? |
| 05:19.49 | Torhal | Right now, howveer, I am drunk and wondering WHY they come here. |
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| 05:20.07 | Thunder_Child | Torhal, this isnt wowace |
| 05:20.14 | haste | becaues it's #WoWUIDev and #wowi-lounge redirect here? |
| 05:20.14 | Torhal | haste: Just shoot me. |
| 05:20.23 | Arsonide | This is a UI dev channel, WowAce to my knowledge died. I'm developing my UI, this appears to be the place to go. |
| 05:20.35 | Torhal | I'm bitching about people when _I_ am the one who is in the wrong channel. |
| 05:20.40 | Torhal | FUCK. |
| 05:20.40 | Thunder_Child | Arsonide, it didnt, it folded in with curse |
| 05:20.52 | Thunder_Child | ~calm Torhal |
| 05:20.52 | purl | ACTION sooths Torhal, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm Torhal down. |
| 05:21.03 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: Being drunk is no excuse. :) |
| 05:21.08 | haste | ~ping |
| 05:21.09 | purl | ~pong |
| 05:21.13 | Thunder_Child | little laggy on purl atm |
| 05:21.16 | haste | slightly |
| 05:21.21 | Thunder_Child | 10 sec |
| 05:21.25 | Torhal | I'm simply used to being in WoWAce by default. |
| 05:21.30 | Thunder_Child | i wonder if it's freenode |
| 05:21.35 | Torhal | Arsonide: My sincerest apologies :( |
| 05:21.43 | haste | hopefully not |
| 05:21.53 | Codayus_ | Hmm. My guildmate just got out of a 3h heroic HoS that couldn't down the final boss. He's *still* cursing in /gchat. |
| 05:21.53 | Arsonide | If it makes you feel better I'm about to get drunk and whip up a UI at the same time. I'm going to wake up tomorrow with no action bars and a 300 person raid frame. |
| 05:22.04 | Thunder_Child | thank you sacarasc |
| 05:22.04 | sacarasc | Thunder_Child: it's not (even though your ping reply sucks ;p) |
| 05:22.08 | Codayus_ | A nice reminder that it could always be worse. |
| 05:22.12 | Thunder_Child | "ctcp from sacarasc: PING 1229095691618260" |
| 05:22.16 | Torhal | Arsonide: Only 300? Bah! |
| 05:22.27 | Thunder_Child | might have to do with me DL'ing a wow patch |
| 05:22.33 | Thunder_Child | or the trafic shaper |
| 05:23.02 | Thunder_Child | traffic* |
| 05:23.13 | Shirik|Ecole | internet explorer is shit |
| 05:23.20 | Torhal | For all involved: YES I am an asshole. I had a reason. The reason simply turned out to be invalid. |
| 05:23.32 | haste | Shirik|Ecole: welcome to.. uhm 1998? |
| 05:23.36 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, and you are stating the obvious why? |
| 05:23.47 | Shirik|Ecole | Because I can't delete my login information to test if it blocks unauthorized users! |
| 05:23.51 | Tekkub | cause people still use it |
| 05:24.03 | Arsonide | So as I was saying, what's the name of that addon that does those player frames...they look a hell of a lot better than the default or the 3D ones. It's a banner type picture with a gradient. |
| 05:24.08 | Tekkub | and people still believe if you write for IE it'll work in other browsers too |
| 05:25.48 | Shirik|Ecole | OMFG LOG ME OUT |
| 05:25.53 | Shirik|Ecole | this is so bad :( |
| 05:26.56 | Xiro | coding for ie, is like driving on the wrong side of the road.. you probably won't get where you're going, and you're going to eff everyone up on the way |
| 05:28.16 | Thunder_Child | Arsonide, has a picture? |
| 05:29.42 | Arsonide | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw20242.jpg |
| 05:29.49 | Arsonide | That is the addon I'm thinking of, I believe. |
| 05:30.02 | Arsonide | Some pictures they show more, in that one it only shows the eyes. |
| 05:30.37 | Xiro | that's a slick looking ui |
| 05:30.50 | Thunder_Child | no idea Arsonide, however since i am redoing my UI from scratch i will let you know if i come across it |
| 05:32.07 | Shirik|Ecole | I never said I was coding for IE :( |
| 05:32.12 | Shirik|Ecole | Just that I was testing it there |
| 05:32.17 | Arsonide | Alright, I'll probably just use this in the meantime, I've got four characters to level. :| |
| 05:32.31 | Shirik|Ecole | Despite the fact that IE follows its own standards, the majority of internet users DO use IE and it has to WORK there |
| 05:32.39 | Arsonide | I think I'm more addicted to tweaking addons than I am to the freakin game. |
| 05:33.05 | haste | My main is 72! :3 |
| 05:33.36 | Thunder_Child | Arsonide, i know that one >.< |
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| 06:28.04 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh, http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/iphone/Apple_Lesson_Huh.20081213.html |
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| 06:31.55 | Arsonide | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw20242.jpg - I really like this UI, but I hate half the stuff he put into it...oRA2, Decursive, Omen...Recount. Those aren't things I need really. Will removing those affect that grid layout in any way? I like the raid grid layout for BGs and stuff. |
| 06:32.08 | Arsonide | Obviously the decursive panel to the right of the bars will disappear, but other than that. |
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| 06:34.28 | haste | Arsonide: probably not, easiest way is always to just join AV and test :p |
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| 07:55.39 | Thunder_Child | this is rather quiet even for a friday night |
| 07:57.07 | AnduinLothar | guess some other people have lives |
| 07:57.12 | AnduinLothar | or they raid |
| 07:59.22 | ZorbaTHut | heroics are hard :( |
| 07:59.39 | linear` | its finals week =\ |
| 08:00.07 | Shirik|Ecole | It was finals week last week |
| 08:00.20 | batrick | hello shirik |
| 08:02.20 | Thunder_Child | so i just started playing again....and i am so not looking forward to setting up all my addons again |
| 08:02.38 | Cairenn | I just went through that myself TC, I feel your pain |
| 08:03.14 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, shared misery is nice but it doesnt set up my addons any faster :( |
| 08:03.22 | Cairenn | nope :( |
| 08:03.48 | Cairenn | still missing a couple things, but mostly happy with how I've got stuff set up now |
| 08:04.08 | Shirik|Ecole | hello batrick |
| 08:04.28 | batrick | so I got my new Asus P6T motherboard and core i7 920... and I can't install the CPU because the motherboard frame for the CPU won't close fully |
| 08:04.32 | batrick | it's pretty awesome |
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| 08:44.08 | linear` | anyone know where the documentation is on putting textures in strings |
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| 09:05.55 | Burgundy | Hello guys!I'm trying to disable mouselook, but it doesn't seem to work.I'm using WorldFrame:SetScript("OnMouseDown", myMouseDown) and myMouseDown contains just MouselookStop(). |
| 09:06.03 | Burgundy | Any ideas why this is not working? |
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| 09:35.43 | Mikk | Possibly because blizzard starts their mouselook after your code executes |
| 09:36.38 | Burgundy | I see, then how should I do this? |
| 09:37.45 | nevcairiel | I doubt you can |
| 09:38.06 | Adys | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=7190750139&sid=1 |
| 09:38.07 | Burgundy | so there's no way of disabling mouselook ? |
| 09:38.07 | Adys | srsly |
| 09:39.02 | nevcairiel | oh a big fat changelog of changing getglobal() to _G[] |
| 09:39.29 | nevcairiel | curious why blizz decided to go that way now |
| 09:39.35 | Adys | where? |
| 09:39.56 | nevcairiel | 9355 ptr patch |
| 09:39.57 | Adys | Burgundy: does it work if you do it directly ingame? |
| 09:40.12 | Adys | ah |
| 09:41.23 | Burgundy | not really familiar with the syntax I should put in a /script, but I'll try it now... |
| 09:41.40 | Adys | just what you pasted |
| 09:41.49 | Adys | assuming myMouseDown is global |
| 09:42.26 | digmouse | any RS_ClassColors replacement? |
| 09:44.05 | Burgundy | doesn't seem to work, I mean there are no errors, but the mouse buttons still behave the same way, mouselook is on |
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| 09:59.40 | nevcairiel | +STEREO_VIDEO_SUBTEXT = "These options allow you to change details having to do with stereoscopic (3D) viewing."; |
| 09:59.42 | nevcairiel | huh |
| 09:59.55 | nevcairiel | +UI_DEPTH = "UI Depth"; |
| 10:18.39 | Kalroth | Soon WoW will come in a red/blue variant |
| 10:22.05 | ckknight | I'll wait for yellow |
| 10:22.08 | ckknight | c'mon pikachu |
| 10:22.48 | Fisker- | i'll wait for you ckknight :3 |
| 10:22.59 | Kalroth | yellow is for 4D |
| 10:23.08 | Kalroth | the pikachu dimension |
| 10:23.11 | Kalroth | horrible place |
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| 11:11.40 | Arrowmaster | holy shit blizzard is using _G[] instead of getglobal() now? |
| 11:11.57 | Arrowmaster | are they making a local _G in each file first? |
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| 11:12.24 | krka | why would they? |
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| 11:12.32 | Arrowmaster | because its dangerous if they dont |
| 11:12.44 | krka | don't think they did local for getglobal |
| 11:13.19 | Arrowmaster | if they dont do 'local _G = getfenv(0)' then when some idiot changes _G._G the entire UI blows up |
| 11:14.23 | cladhaire | well, then people can't change _G |
| 11:14.31 | cladhaire | they aren't in the habit of protecting themselves from stupid people :P |
| 11:14.33 | Arrowmaster | well they shouldnt anyway |
| 11:15.30 | Arrowmaster | but still the preformance increase in their onupdates from switching from getglobal() to a local _G should be perty measureable |
| 11:15.54 | cladhaire | correct |
| 11:16.03 | krka | depends on how often they use it |
| 11:16.10 | krka | i rarely if ever use getglobal / _G |
| 11:16.42 | Arrowmaster | but i mean they already get people posting in the patch x.xx taint issues threads with taintlogs clearing showing nothing but an addon trying to do stuff in combat that it cant |
| 11:16.53 | Arrowmaster | protecting from stupid stuff has some merits |
| 11:17.33 | Arrowmaster | s/clearing/clearly/ |
| 11:17.53 | Arrowmaster | blizz uses getglobal everywhere though |
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| 11:25.01 | ZorbaTHut | how much CPU does the Blizzard UI actually use? |
| 11:26.26 | cladhaire | you can't answer that question, really |
| 11:26.35 | cladhaire | the measures WoW give you aren't comparable from one machine to another |
| 11:26.42 | Olorin | depends on framerate etc.. |
| 11:26.46 | cladhaire | and the percentages don't help, since the default UI on everyone's machine uses 100% cpu :P |
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| 11:27.21 | ZorbaTHut | well, I wasn't looking for a numeric answer |
| 11:27.33 | ZorbaTHut | there's a lot of non-numeric answers you can give, however |
| 11:27.46 | ZorbaTHut | for example, "virtually none compared to the rendering/game code" |
| 11:27.49 | ZorbaTHut | or "most of it" |
| 11:28.34 | ZorbaTHut | if the Blizzard .lua UI uses, say, 0.01% of the CPU, then I'd say even introducing a single line of code in the name of efficiency would be potentially counterproductive. |
| 11:28.40 | Olorin | depending on how its coded you might be able to monitor its threads with a monitor outside game |
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| 11:29.03 | cladhaire | well the rendering engine can only run when the Lua thread is not running |
| 11:29.09 | cladhaire | its single-threaded as far as we are concerned |
| 11:29.32 | krka | cladhaire: you can measure how many percent per frame is the ui |
| 11:29.41 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 11:29.58 | krka | last i measured it, was very low |
| 11:30.01 | krka | like 2-3% |
| 11:30.21 | krka | and the biggest factor there was the retarded code in the actionbar animations |
| 11:30.58 | ZorbaTHut | so they're quite likely not concerned with the minimal performance boost that "local _G = _G" would produce. |
| 11:31.19 | cladhaire | I think you underestimate the performance increase that it could garner |
| 11:31.20 | cladhaire | but *shrug* |
| 11:31.40 | cladhaire | why do you think they're using _G instead of getglobal in the first place? |
| 11:31.48 | krka | to be more like real lua? |
| 11:32.06 | Fisker- | i need to turn off my computer |
| 11:32.07 | cladhaire | not very likely |
| 11:32.07 | Fisker- | waaaah |
| 11:32.17 | ZorbaTHut | if I were them, I'd be deprecating getglobal() |
| 11:32.21 | ZorbaTHut | and, yeah, shifting to more-like-lua |
| 11:32.57 | krka | the problem is not the speed of calling getglobal, the problem is using getglobal in the first place |
| 11:34.01 | cladhaire | to fix using it in the first place, requires MASSIVE changes to their code tho |
| 11:34.03 | cladhaire | so that's not likely at all |
| 11:34.37 | krka | i dunno, each getglobal replace is a fairly trivial operation |
| 11:35.45 | cladhaire | Not really, how do you handle template instantiation? |
| 11:35.54 | cladhaire | you have to make those children available somehow, if not through a global then how? |
| 11:36.07 | cladhaire | if its changing them to be members of the parent frame, that requires signifigant code changes throughout the entire UI |
| 11:36.17 | Olorin | anyone looked at why atlasloot uses so much cpu time when its not even showing? I cant remember if it interacts with the tooltip or not |
| 11:36.21 | krka | you refactor the code to initialize a local table with the frames |
| 11:36.25 | cladhaire | refactor |
| 11:36.27 | krka | (using getglobal, but only once) |
| 11:36.30 | cladhaire | thus changing the entire UI |
| 11:37.02 | cladhaire | there are a million QA reasons why that would not be on the top of their list :P |
| 11:37.02 | krka | but it would only be local changes in each usage |
| 11:37.02 | cladhaire | yes, and mistakes get made |
| 11:37.10 | cladhaire | many of which can't get fixed until someone triggers the right handler under the right condition |
| 11:37.20 | cladhaire | not as simple as it might seem :P |
| 11:37.36 | Fisker- | DO IT |
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| 11:38.09 | Otixa | Wut! |
| 11:38.16 | krka | do one frame set at a time, and confirm them |
| 11:38.30 | cladhaire | or they could implement the new UI features that hold up content patches |
| 11:38.47 | ZorbaTHut | krka, it's pretty much impossible to prove that something isn't buggy |
| 11:38.54 | ZorbaTHut | with anything of that size, mistakes *would* creep in. |
| 11:39.01 | cladhaire | we (this channel) have had this particular conversation quite a few times now. |
| 11:39.22 | krka | if i were them, i'd profile the ui and just fix the biggest bottlenecks |
| 11:39.35 | cladhaire | the default UI isn't a big problem |
| 11:40.07 | cladhaire | and they have been going through and gradually making changes to subsystems to make them more efficient |
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| 11:42.31 | ZorbaTHut | krka, wouldn't surprise me if they have |
| 11:42.31 | ZorbaTHut | in fact it'd surprise me more if they haven't |
| 11:42.31 | krka | hm, what is the problem then? |
| 11:42.47 | ZorbaTHut | as far as I'm concerned, there isn't one. :) |
| 11:42.52 | Arrowmaster | the combatlog uses 'local _G = getfenv(0)' and then _G[] everywhere and not getglobal() for preformance reasons |
| 11:43.46 | Arrowmaster | they are aware of the significant performance cost of getglobal() vs a local _G[] |
| 11:44.25 | krka | i still think they're solving the wrong problem :P |
| 11:45.14 | Arrowmaster | the other problem would likely be so major it would never get done |
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| 11:46.37 | Arrowmaster | since they wouldnt want to do it until wow 4.0, but if they finish it too early they'd have to keep two sets of code updated when they make changes, and if they finish it too late they would be delaying content patches, thus the entire change would never get approved |
| 11:48.17 | Stanzilla | what would that be? |
| 11:48.49 | mikma | <0545> <cbreak> frozen orbs are rare :/ |
| 11:49.00 | mikma | lol funny guy ;D we have 15 of them in our guildbank :I |
| 11:49.15 | mikma | and our guild has 3 different players where 2 are active |
| 11:51.06 | Arrowmaster | something must be wrong with me, i started rewatching NGE the other night out of boredom, and im still watching it |
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| 11:54.50 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/ctrl_esc.jpg |
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| 11:57.55 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/the_dark_knight_returns_-_fall_2011.jpg fake or not? :I |
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| 11:59.36 | iewnait | hi,does anybody know whether there is any api to return your own character name |
| 11:59.40 | mikma | AAH! http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info11876-Broker_AllStats.html just the addon i've been needing |
| 11:59.50 | mikma | UnitName("player") |
| 11:59.52 | Olorin | is the distance at wihch mobs appear fixed or dynamic depending on frame rate etc.. I have view distance max but mobs dont appear till almost on top of them |
| 12:00.09 | iewnait | thanks |
| 12:01.13 | cladhaire | so I'm in a PUG |
| 12:01.41 | cladhaire | me: Who wants to tank, the warrior or the Death Knight |
| 12:01.45 | cladhaire | warrior: We both have to |
| 12:01.48 | cladhaire | warrior: I can't heal |
| 12:01.59 | sacarasc | :o |
| 12:01.59 | cladhaire | deathknight: im can't not heal |
| 12:02.29 | cladhaire | this has win written all over it |
| 12:02.36 | sylvanaar | rimshot |
| 12:02.42 | Olorin | lol , run for your life |
| 12:02.45 | mikma | sylvanaar wins. |
| 12:02.52 | Olorin | and sanity i think |
| 12:03.15 | sacarasc | i just got out of a pretty good PUG |
| 12:03.21 | sacarasc | *flex* |
| 12:03.49 | sylvanaar | actually i healed a good dk tank tonight who was a pickup |
| 12:04.16 | sylvanaar | well last night |
| 12:05.17 | cladhaire | i'm on my mage, not my dk |
| 12:05.19 | cladhaire | so i can't tank =/ |
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| 12:12.53 | mikma | i got myself the epic tankingpants last nightm woo :) |
| 12:13.04 | mikma | heroic vh or so? can't remember |
| 12:15.55 | cladhaire | well it took us until the fourth pull to wipe |
| 12:16.17 | foxlit | woo! |
| 12:16.17 | cladhaire | and naturally the warrior said "OMG SHAMAN HEAL" as he pulled two groups accidentally and then feared them into two other groups |
| 12:16.32 | Arrowmaster | epic |
| 12:17.30 | nevcairiel | wait, a tank that feared? |
| 12:17.36 | nevcairiel | kickban, imho |
| 12:18.01 | foxlit | Meh. It can well be appropriate in some situations :) |
| 12:18.19 | nevcairiel | very very very rarely |
| 12:18.58 | nevcairiel | and never on trash pulls |
| 12:18.59 | mikma | cladhaire: phear him |
| 12:19.10 | mikma | nowait, him phear! better ;) |
| 12:20.17 | foxlit | It all depends. If you can make sure that they'll come back to hit you and not the healer, and that they won't pull anything else, it's a very reasonable mitigation technique :) |
| 12:20.21 | foxlit | Granted, big ifs. |
| 12:26.11 | foxlit | Eep. |
| 12:26.32 | foxlit | Glyphed Vampiric Blood increases healing received by 50% and maximum health by 20% for 30 seconds. |
| 12:27.04 | foxlit | (if, of course, "health generated through spells and effects" means healing) |
| 12:37.47 | Arrowmaster | self healing only im guessing |
| 12:38.02 | Arrowmaster | otherwise that would be too imba as a tank ability |
| 12:39.10 | foxlit | Actually, if you read the wowhead comments, it's everything. |
| 12:39.19 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 12:39.24 | foxlit | Bandages, potions, third-party heals, health ticks, everything. |
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| 12:47.35 | Wobin | hm |
| 12:47.36 | Wobin | test |
| 12:47.39 | Wobin | ~ping |
| 12:48.06 | purl | ~pong |
| 12:48.06 | Wobin | anyone having auth issues? |
| 12:48.17 | sacarasc | purl is super laggy |
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| 12:50.38 | foxlit | ~seen purl |
| 12:51.00 | purl | purl is currently on #casualti (1d 9h 4m 16s) #botpark (1d 9h 4m 16s) #linuxfund (1d 9h 4m 16s) #waruidev (1d 9h 4m 16s) #edev (1d 9h 4m 16s) #fossfund (1d 9h 4m 16s) #hosernet (1d 9h 4m 16s) #norganna (1d 9h 4m 16s) #ud (1d 9h 4m 16s) ##kierra (1d 9h 4m 16s) #dub (1d 9h 4m 16s) #teleconf (1d 9h 4m 16s) #openezx (1d 9h 4m 16s) #pegasos.org (1d 9h ... |
| 12:52.39 | foxlit | Probably just trying to stay within flood limits |
| 13:07.50 | foxlit | ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED, "OPie", "LFGQuery()" |
| 13:07.57 | foxlit | That's... interesting. |
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| 13:10.47 | foxlit | Hm, that's interesting. |
| 13:10.58 | foxlit | I hit the Windows key, the start menu opens, and WoW drops to 1fps. |
| 13:11.15 | foxlit | (and WoW goes to 50% CPU usage) |
| 13:14.07 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: its just the stupid UIDropDown taint |
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| 13:18.02 | Otixa | Oh hello thar |
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| 13:38.37 | Otixa | Otixa is sad :< |
| 13:38.57 | Otixa | I haven't touched Toxia in almost a year and now it all lookds like Code'thulu |
| 13:42.47 | Wobin | ugh, terrible connectoin issues |
| 13:44.26 | Wobin | oh right |
| 13:44.28 | Wobin | 12k latency |
| 13:44.30 | Wobin | this is just fine |
| 13:44.51 | njal | is there any way I can get wow to call a specific function of mine after a set amount of time (as in javascripts SetTimeout or any timer functionality)? or do I have to cook my own (got an onupdate(elapsed) Im using already, so I guess I could cook it in there) |
| 13:46.46 | Wobin | You could use a timer library |
| 13:48.06 | Arrowmaster | which uses an onupdate, since thats the only way |
| 13:48.36 | cbreak | there's an other, less elegant way |
| 13:48.49 | cbreak | ask the user to press a button after x ammount of time :) |
| 13:48.53 | Otixa | See how they did the timer in the original UI? |
| 13:48.56 | Otixa | The stopwatch thing |
| 13:49.18 | cbreak | the standard ui uses OnUpdate for tons of things. |
| 13:53.35 | njal | yeah, sounds like it would work smoothly: create a list of stopwatches and instruct the user to click on the button next to them any time any of them hits 0, so my ui updates correctly :) |
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| 13:56.30 | Otixa | ~die |
| 13:56.31 | purl | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 13:56.31 | Toxia | ...There really was a caaaAaaAaakeeeee... |
| 13:57.04 | njal | ~revive |
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| 13:57.15 | Otixa | ;P |
| 13:57.17 | Wobin | ~live |
| 13:57.18 | purl | ACTION rises from the dead and starts eating people. |
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| 13:58.09 | Otixa | Hrm... |
| 13:58.12 | Otixa | "[15:57] No handle for [332]" |
| 13:58.15 | Otixa | What's 332? ;/ |
| 13:58.41 | Otixa | Ah, channel topic |
| 13:58.43 | Otixa | Bleh |
| 13:59.33 | Otixa | ~part |
| 13:59.33 | purl | /part |
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| 14:01.43 | Maldivia | bibi ? |
| 14:08.30 | cladhaire | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11884-NinjaPanel.html#info |
| 14:13.37 | cbreak | ninjapanel? |
| 14:13.44 | cbreak | does it hide when the mouse is not near? :) |
| 14:15.25 | mikma | not that ninja! |
| 14:18.33 | Maldivia | finally, the new tradeskill algorithm has been implemented :) |
| 14:21.13 | cladhaire | I'm just glad i can now hide my Tourguide status frame and the tomtom crazy arrow |
| 14:21.17 | cladhaire | Maldivia: whatdya mean? |
| 14:22.16 | Maldivia | cladhaire: the bit list encoding has been changed to real base64 :) |
| 14:22.27 | cladhaire | ooh, on PTR? |
| 14:22.30 | Maldivia | cladhaire: yeah |
| 14:22.32 | cladhaire | nice! |
| 14:22.36 | cladhaire | can we construct them now? |
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| 14:22.45 | Maldivia | we've always been able to :) |
| 14:22.48 | cladhaire | I just wanna be able to combine my inscription alts with my main scribe |
| 14:22.52 | cladhaire | so I can advertise them all |
| 14:22.53 | cladhaire | ooh! |
| 14:22.55 | cladhaire | how? |
| 14:23.18 | Maldivia | I made a simple addon for it :) |
| 14:23.36 | Maldivia | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10316-TradeLinks.html |
| 14:23.44 | cladhaire | nice |
| 14:24.26 | Maldivia | the problem with the current encoding is, that some combination can create \n as part of the encoded string |
| 14:24.38 | Maldivia | that's why they changed it to real base 64 |
| 14:25.16 | Wobin | hm |
| 14:25.18 | Maldivia | cladhaire: you play druid ,right? |
| 14:25.22 | Wobin | Now we need a guild tradeskill addon =) |
| 14:25.26 | cladhaire | one of my chars, yeah |
| 14:25.33 | Maldivia | seen the changes to fap then :) |
| 14:25.33 | Wobin | where we can store guild crafter info |
| 14:25.40 | Maldivia | Wobin: there already is one :) |
| 14:26.08 | Maldivia | cladhaire: http://seriouslycasual.org/screens/fish_feral.png :) |
| 14:26.22 | cladhaire | holy wow |
| 14:26.34 | cladhaire | that's sick |
| 14:26.48 | Maldivia | feral AP = (dps-54.8)*14 |
| 14:26.48 | Wobin | Maldivia: What's it called? |
| 14:27.04 | Maldivia | cladhaire: on all weapons - but only visible to druids |
| 14:27.18 | cladhaire | nice |
| 14:27.39 | Maldivia | Wobin: can't remeber right now, let me check |
| 14:28.35 | Maldivia | I know orionshock made one called Guild Craft |
| 14:32.23 | Wobin | "I do not mean of this in a hostile manner, I am simply a blunt individual. I would want nothing more than for it to simply work from here, even if a few builds behind your latest. |
| 14:32.31 | Wobin | wow. entitlement much |
| 14:32.54 | Wobin | Faraque's comment on Orionshocks page |
| 14:32.57 | Wobin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8904-GuildCraft.html#comments |
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| 14:40.44 | lowl | Hi, is it possible to delete frames which were created by CreateFrame()? I find it a little bit dirty to just hide() the frames |
| 14:41.14 | cladhaire | no there isn't, you can and should re-use them if you need to |
| 14:43.08 | lowl | hmm ok. thanks |
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| 14:45.44 | cbreak | note that frames do not get garbage collected |
| 14:46.08 | foxlit | Teheeeheee! |
| 14:47.23 | foxlit | local function spawn() local f = CreateFrame("FRAME"); f:SetPoint("CENTER"); f:SetWidth(100); f:SetHeight(100); f:Show(); f:SetScript("OnUpdate", spawn); end spawn(); |
| 14:47.46 | foxlit | Now, for the quiz round of our entertaining lunacy. |
| 14:47.49 | foxlit | Will that crash the client |
| 14:48.12 | foxlit | (a) Eventually (b) In the same OnUpdate cycle as it is run (c) Will only kill the Lua stack (d) Never. |
| 14:48.38 | cbreak | d |
| 14:48.40 | Otixa | I vote (a) |
| 14:49.04 | cbreak | spawn is nil when OnUpdate is set. |
| 14:49.55 | cbreak | ... no... |
| 14:50.13 | cladhaire | lua> local function foo() foo() end |
| 14:50.13 | lua_bot | cladhaire: No output |
| 14:50.17 | Otixa | This ain't C ;p |
| 14:50.24 | cladhaire | lua> local function foo() foo() end foo() |
| 14:50.24 | lua_bot | cladhaire: luabot:1: stack overflow |
| 14:50.26 | foxlit | lua> local function foo() print(foo); end |
| 14:50.27 | lua_bot | foxlit: No output |
| 14:50.35 | cladhaire | cbreak: recall that "function x" is syntactic sugar |
| 14:50.42 | cbreak | I know. |
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| 14:50.50 | cladhaire | that's roughly equivalent to local spawn; function spawn() end, blah |
| 14:50.51 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 14:50.56 | Otixa | Lua lacks syntax ;/ |
| 14:51.03 | Otixa | It's more like random grunts and moans |
| 14:51.05 | foxlit | So, anyway. |
| 14:51.12 | cbreak | lua has at least two syntaxes :) |
| 14:51.33 | foxlit | It kills the fps a few frames after it was run |
| 14:51.41 | foxlit | The Lua stack seems alive and well. |
| 14:52.05 | foxlit | And the WoW client is only gaining about 1M of every use every 7 seconds. |
| 14:52.11 | foxlit | s/every/memory/ |
| 14:52.32 | Otixa | Hmm... |
| 14:52.34 | foxlit | It does, however, seem to be a very effective way to freeze it. |
| 14:52.42 | Otixa | I should add this sed trick to Toxi ;o |
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| 14:55.54 | Otixa | hallo |
| 14:56.03 | Otixa | s/[a-z]/penis |
| 14:56.07 | Otixa | :< |
| 14:56.21 | foxlit | Surely, [a-z]+ would've been better. |
| 14:56.39 | Otixa | Shush... I don't suck at regex :< |
| 14:58.10 | Otixa | This would also be a good time to bitch about PHP's pattern matching slowness |
| 14:58.19 | Maldivia | ending the regex would also help |
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| 14:59.13 | Otixa | fu guise ._. |
| 14:59.25 | Cide | pretty sure PHP uses a standard regex engine? |
| 14:59.37 | Cide | i.e. it might be your regex, not the parser, that's broken |
| 14:59.47 | Otixa | Naw, it's generally slow |
| 15:00.15 | Maldivia | Cide: no, php uses it's own, unless you specify you want to use perls |
| 15:00.26 | Cide | ok |
| 15:00.39 | Cide | should use perl's then |
| 15:01.10 | Maldivia | I always use the preg_ methods for regex in php - probably because I'm used to perl syntax anyway |
| 15:01.27 | foxlit | So what do you call PHP's own regex methods? |
| 15:01.36 | Maldivia | ereg_ |
| 15:02.06 | Cide | ya, I've always used preg_* too |
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| 15:02.42 | foxlit | They're calling ereg_ "POSIX Regex Functions", so I doubt it's something they've invented :) |
| 15:02.56 | Maldivia | didn't say they invented it |
| 15:03.08 | Maldivia | said they implemented it |
| 15:03.21 | foxlit | "their own" doesn't really go either way :) |
| 15:04.09 | Maldivia | unlike other peo... ehh, nevermind |
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| 15:22.33 | Otixa | Hmm |
| 15:22.39 | Otixa | Obviously... |
| 15:23.14 | Otixa | ...A Lambda function, which is used to eval() code chokes when you try to create and then call another Lambda function through it |
| 15:23.29 | Otixa | ...Yeeeah... |
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| 15:27.14 | Otixa | I can now demonstrate how eger is slow |
| 15:27.17 | Otixa | ...The hard way |
| 15:27.36 | Otixa | ereg* <_< |
| 15:28.06 | Otixa | ~eval global $IRC;$time=explode(" ", microtime());$start=$time[0]+$time[1];$time=explode(" ", microtime()); ereg('penis', 'you are a penis'); $end=$time[0]+$time[1];$time=$end-$start;$IRC->pmsg("#wowuidev", $time); |
| 15:28.07 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Otixa |
| 15:28.07 | Toxia | 2.40802764893E-5 |
| 15:28.27 | Otixa | Thus... kek. |
| 15:29.08 | Otixa | Wait... I'm doing it wrong again ;< |
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| 16:04.20 | Olorin | someone mentioned that specialist recepies for tradeskills are being added, any idea when that patch may go live? |
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| 16:29.23 | cbreak | ~devtools |
| 16:29.24 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
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| 16:37.52 | Olorin | anyone into electronics know what a safe temperature for operating pc's at, 4c (38f) ok? |
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| 16:40.49 | cbreak | the temperature ranges of my computers is in the handbook |
| 16:41.11 | cbreak | maybe in yours too |
| 16:41.22 | alestane | If you're in a room that temperature, there shouldn't be too much danger, but it may be outside manufacturer spec. |
| 16:41.37 | Olorin | not my pc asking for relative but your right though, its probably documented |
| 16:42.08 | cbreak | I'd worry more about condensation of the water in the air |
| 16:42.29 | alestane | Which isn't a problem if it's the room that's cold. |
| 16:42.29 | Lyn | mikma, i have so much fun with path of frost :D |
| 16:42.56 | alestane | Condensation gets tricky when you try to operate a cold computer in a warm space. |
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| 16:43.07 | Olorin | yeah me too, they trying to heat the house after 3 days without power, so prolly couple hours then ill let it get climatized or whatever |
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| 16:44.27 | alestane | If they're trying to warm the house up now, I'd wait for it to warm up before I try running a computer. |
| 16:45.21 | Olorin | few years back i lost a hard disk cause someone tried to use pc after it being in van outside overnight so now im kinda cautious lol |
| 16:46.46 | alestane | That's the situation you really have to watch out for...cold PC in warm room. |
| 16:47.26 | Olorin | ah well they'll have to wait for their WoW fix lol |
| 16:48.40 | Olorin | hmm servers went down or just mine, lightbringer? |
| 16:49.25 | cbreak | http://www.wow-europe.com/realmstatus/index.html?locale=en_gb |
| 16:50.14 | cbreak | Lightbringer is not down. |
| 16:50.21 | cbreak | (according to that page) |
| 16:51.03 | Olorin | was wierd, got booted then couldnt get back in, prolly my crappy adsl line, cables not even copper wiring |
| 16:52.18 | cbreak | US? |
| 16:52.52 | Olorin | nope uk |
| 16:53.09 | cbreak | maybe the status list is not up-to-date. |
| 16:53.25 | Olorin | oh meant US servers , but im in the UK |
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| 16:57.49 | foxlit | Is there an easy way to detect that the item currently on the cursor came from your inventory rather than your backpack? |
| 17:00.08 | NightHawkTheSane | compare item links or whatever? |
| 17:00.32 | cbreak | you might have an item several times |
| 17:01.10 | NightHawkTheSane | isn't there something in the item string that makes an indidivual instance of an item unique, though? |
| 17:01.30 | Olorin | isEquipped = IsEquippedItem("name" or itemId) |
| 17:02.03 | foxlit | Olorin: not actually bad, though I suspect it won't survive evil situations where you have multiple items with the same enchant/gem set. |
| 17:02.40 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: thats one hell of an edge case, though |
| 17:02.52 | NightHawkTheSane | in most cases, if you have multiple items, its enchanted/gemmed differently, or not bound |
| 17:03.13 | cbreak | or not equipable |
| 17:04.00 | NightHawkTheSane | well if it's not equippable, its not equipped, and foxlit's question is moot |
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| 17:07.27 | cbreak | yeah. detail :) |
| 17:07.47 | zenzelezz | great, wanted to try to solo Quagmirran and manage to bug him |
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| 17:13.18 | zenzelezz | ah, nice, he reset |
| 17:16.04 | cbreak | dev tools rock. |
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| 17:59.03 | mikma | lyn: http://wow.reaktio.net - somewhere in there is path of frost with chopper image =D |
| 18:00.27 | Lyn | xD |
| 18:01.20 | mikma | most likely in /test |
| 18:05.55 | Fisker- | find it or prepare to be boarder |
| 18:05.57 | Fisker- | boarded* |
| 18:06.19 | mikma | lol failsker- |
| 18:07.04 | Fisker- | http://i33.tinypic.com/eh0xat.jpg |
| 18:07.09 | Fisker- | my computer will rape you mikma |
| 18:12.57 | mikma | your computer is fail too |
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| 18:19.52 | Fisker- | no u mikma |
| 18:20.31 | mikma | u |
| 18:20.51 | Gnarfoz | mikma: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_120908_033420.jpg wtf is going on there :p |
| 18:21.10 | Shirik | Question for anyone x86-inclined |
| 18:21.18 | Shirik | My disassembler picked up this ... curious code |
| 18:21.41 | Thunder_Child | you need a bigger cpu heatsink Fisker- |
| 18:21.49 | Bibi` | command to hide the chat frame please. |
| 18:22.02 | foxlit | ALT+Z |
| 18:22.06 | Fisker- | couldn't find any bigger Thunder_Child :3 |
| 18:22.10 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Bibi` |
| 18:22.10 | purl | beats Bibi` senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 18:22.30 | Fisker- | or find the framename and then /script framename:Hide() |
| 18:22.37 | Thunder_Child | err...sorry Bibi`, i meant to lart foxlit |
| 18:22.46 | Bibi` | Fisker-: I need the frame name |
| 18:22.48 | Bibi` | that's the problem |
| 18:23.01 | Fisker- | get ace and use /print GetMouseFocus(); |
| 18:23.02 | mikma | gnarfoz: me discovering some transmutes |
| 18:23.02 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 18:23.15 | Gnarfoz | that's an inaccurate description :P |
| 18:23.22 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/104317 |
| 18:23.27 | Shirik | Does anyone see a good reason that a compiler would do that? |
| 18:23.34 | Shirik | It seems.... like unnecessary work |
| 18:23.41 | mikma | no its completely accurate gnarfoz ! |
| 18:23.43 | Shirik | (highlighted lines in question) |
| 18:23.54 | Gnarfoz | mikma: spill teh beans already! :@ |
| 18:24.10 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, what size fans are on that heat sink? |
| 18:24.40 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.44 | Fisker- | Thunder_Child 120mm |
| 18:24.53 | Bibi` | oh well |
| 18:24.57 | Bibi` | ChatFrame1Tab |
| 18:24.57 | Bibi` | :p |
| 18:25.00 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 18:25.04 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, this can handle 2-3 140mm fans http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_page/product_page/cpu/ifx-14/product_cpu_cooler_ifx-14.html?art=MTQyMywxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA== |
| 18:25.24 | Bibi` | thanks mister Fisker! |
| 18:25.51 | mikma | gnarfoz: after titanium transmute you have massively increased chance of discovery for 1min. creating any potion will most likely tricgger discovery (as seen in picture) |
| 18:26.04 | Gnarfoz | oh yay ok. |
| 18:26.11 | Gnarfoz | is that WIA or bugged? :p |
| 18:26.19 | mikma | bugged |
| 18:26.26 | Fisker- | :O Thunder_Child |
| 18:37.42 | Fisker- | So mikma |
| 18:37.44 | Fisker- | what are you going to do? |
| 18:38.28 | mikma | fisker-: absolutely nothing |
| 18:40.01 | Fisker- | Then you failex |
| 18:40.03 | Fisker- | failed |
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| 18:47.28 | mikma | you are not worth my actions failsker- |
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| 19:55.15 | Fisker- | ZorbaTHut |
| 19:55.26 | Fisker- | What release sites are officially maintained by you for QH? |
| 19:55.31 | Fisker- | curse and wowinterface? |
| 20:17.47 | foxlit | "foxlit gains No Man's Land" |
| 20:18.03 | mikma | gz |
| 20:18.29 | foxlit | And all I wanted was a little Thorium :( |
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| 20:19.59 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: where now? :\ |
| 20:20.08 | foxlit | Mazthoril. |
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| 20:47.16 | foxlit | Grah. I've just realized I hate people who use /rw to talk |
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| 20:59.45 | Cralor` | hey it is Zootfizzle! |
| 21:07.48 | Anaral | sylvanaar: Do you know why your ACP doesn't recognize the libs for any Auc Adv addons or Cartographer3? |
| 21:08.32 | foxlit | print(lang:GetString("shareFailedIN", failMsg), ring or "!@#!", player, reason or "dog ate it"); |
| 21:08.58 | Anaral | Cute, foxlit. ;) |
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| 21:22.50 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, I just added wowui also |
| 21:26.10 | Fisker- | omg inctrojans? |
| 21:26.20 | Fisker- | no wonder why they blame questhelper for trojans then |
| 21:26.30 | mikma | ninja ninjaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 21:26.50 | Tekkub | I'm marking my calendar |
| 21:26.57 | Tekkub | the day the end of QH began |
| 21:30.09 | Fisker- | You know what's funnier than those who pretend to have a comp. science education? |
| 21:30.25 | Fisker- | Those copying information for those who prentend to be it, and then pretend to be one yourself |
| 21:30.34 | Tekkub | those that have a degree that says they do? |
| 21:30.42 | Fisker- | no u? |
| 21:31.09 | Fisker- | Some guy in our guild said that questhelper had keyloggers |
| 21:31.11 | Fisker- | linked http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13393669585&sid=1 |
| 21:31.19 | mikma | yeah |
| 21:31.20 | Tekkub | well of course he did |
| 21:31.27 | Fisker- | Then later said he was a "computer expert" and that zips could execute programs |
| 21:31.33 | Tekkub | I believe it |
| 21:31.34 | Fisker- | Which was mentioned in that post by the original poster :D |
| 21:31.35 | mikma | i admire zorbathut for his ability to code lua keylogger |
| 21:31.43 | mikma | that loads before login |
| 21:32.03 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, I'm seeing an amazing number of computer experts who think that |
| 21:32.11 | Tekkub | I don't think ZOrba has that much skill |
| 21:32.13 | ZorbaTHut | all u have 2 do is downlod a zip and it runs |
| 21:32.19 | ZorbaTHut | U CANT STOP IT |
| 21:32.23 | Tekkub | I'm sure the guy wanting the acct info provided the keylogger for him |
| 21:32.57 | ZorbaTHut | actually, since this whole thing started, I've been vaguely wondering how many people's account infos I could get if I just set it up to pop up a window saying "QH has experienced an internal error, please email your username and password to blah@blah.com" |
| 21:33.03 | ZorbaTHut | I bet the answer would be horrifying :( |
| 21:33.16 | mikma | try it |
| 21:33.23 | ZorbaTHut | I would rather not be banned thanks :) |
| 21:33.36 | mikma | you wont be banned |
| 21:33.45 | mikma | you will just be blacklisted by us |
| 21:34.16 | Tekkub | just randomly print shit.. |
| 21:34.21 | ZorbaTHut | I wouldn't really be surprised if Blizzard took it very seriously :P |
| 21:34.24 | Tekkub | "QH encountered an error |
| 21:34.29 | Tekkub | "Gathering account info |
| 21:34.32 | Tekkub | "Sending |
| 21:34.36 | Tekkub | "Error reported |
| 21:34.45 | mikma | hehe |
| 21:37.31 | Fisker- | Yeah ZorbaTHut |
| 21:37.39 | Fisker- | Atleast on EU they seem to take a more "OMG UI"-stance |
| 21:37.49 | Fisker- | rather than on US where they say "Bugger off" |
| 21:38.12 | Fisker- | Just recently with the disconnect issues you had with Questhelpers GM were instructed to tell you to disable questhelper if you couldn't login |
| 21:38.12 | Fisker- | :o |
| 21:38.44 | ZorbaTHut | well, honestly, that's not a bad solution :P |
| 21:39.04 | mikma | yeah, disabling shitty addons is always good |
| 21:39.38 | ZorbaTHut | it is, however, fixed now (mostly, at least. there's sadly a limit to how much I can fix it without some Blizzard-end features, or without complicating install) |
| 21:39.41 | Tekkub | "Bugger off" has been proven to be the most effect way to prevent repeat requests for support |
| 21:39.54 | Tekkub | *effective |
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| 22:12.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: poke, is your Chatter on WoWI reasonably up to date? |
| 22:13.04 | Antiarc | Not terribly |
| 22:13.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Date: |
| 22:13.31 | ScytheBlade1 | |
| 22:13.31 | ScytheBlade1 | 07-23-2008 07:08 PM |
| 22:13.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That's kind of what I was guessing, but whatever version I had was working fine |
| 22:14.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Would the SVN versions be recommended atm? |
| 22:19.01 | duaiwe | yeah |
| 22:21.29 | Antiarc | SVN is fine, yeah |
| 22:21.35 | Antiarc | Curse has the latest build, auto-built |
| 22:21.40 | Antiarc | I'm just lazy about updating |
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| 22:23.51 | ScytheBlade1 | kk, thanks |
| 22:33.19 | abyx | is there a way to get a spell's icon just by the name/ |
| 22:33.41 | NightHawkTheSane | GetSpellInfo |
| 22:36.56 | Tekkub | if the player knows the spell |
| 22:37.34 | NightHawkTheSane | aside from an external lookup, that'd be the only way, though |
| 22:40.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ~stab Shirik|Ghost |
| 22:40.13 | purl | ACTION runs at Shirik|Ghost with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 22:40.13 | Shirik|Ecole | ha, misse dme |
| 22:40.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh the burning irony |
| 22:41.02 | ScytheBlade1 | "Because my ISP is in the States of the United, does not at any rate mean that I am physically in the US of A. Nor posting on a US forum." |
| 22:41.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ... posted on the US CSF board |
| 22:41.34 | Tekkub | dude, get off the forums, no one cares |
| 22:42.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm waiting for Wrath to download+install |
| 22:42.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Give me something else to do then :P |
| 22:42.39 | Tekkub | drycode |
| 22:42.46 | Tekkub | masturbate |
| 22:42.57 | Tekkub | there's a millions things you could do |
| 22:43.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: http://www.tnelson.demon.co.uk/mazes/index.html |
| 22:43.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I think that Tek will get some more forum links instead |
| 22:43.47 | Tekkub | not like I'll open them |
| 22:44.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Evidently I don't even have to link them to agitate you, as melerely pasting a line is enough to set you off :P |
| 22:44.20 | ScytheBlade1 | *merely |
| 22:47.10 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: I'm failing at the second puzzle, him moving every two for your one is cheap |
| 22:47.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: yeah, i couldn't get that one either. :( |
| 22:50.16 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/24991066/bushs_final_fu |
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| 23:04.23 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: ok, that's obviously somewhat skewed point of view politically... but can we please stop the Bush administration before they screw anything else up? |
| 23:04.52 | NightHawkTheSane | its a bit late for that |
| 23:05.19 | Wobin | I meant possibly with newly regulated guns =P |
| 23:05.32 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean, newly less regulated guns >< |
| 23:05.35 | Wobin | or perhaps bury them in a coal mine |
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| 23:10.11 | Arrowmaster | lol ive got a map of Ulduar already |
| 23:12.03 | Stanzilla | giev |
| 23:14.50 | foxlit | Hobby: LFG as a tank while wearing dps gear. |
| 23:16.07 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: er.. and? |
| 23:16.38 | foxlit | Humanity's faith in Humanity: low. |
| 23:19.01 | foxlit | I have yet to figure out how to interpret the various responses :) |
| 23:21.32 | nevcairiel | can people see your gear when they browse lfg tool? |
| 23:21.48 | foxlit | No, they can't even see your gear when they invite you into a party. |
| 23:21.55 | foxlit | So what little they have to go on is my HP. |
| 23:23.44 | Corrodias | people who can tank always use tanking gear for everything |
| 23:23.45 | Corrodias | EVERYTHING |
| 23:24.07 | NightHawkTheSane | .. i did on my prot pally :p |
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| 23:24.41 | Corrodias | yes, but a druid is unlikely to spend much time at all outside of a dungeon in that stuff |
| 23:24.44 | foxlit | Meh. I should collect Twill. |
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| 23:24.52 | zenzelezz | I have the full Twill set! |
| 23:24.57 | foxlit | "Wait, you have 7k hp and you want to tank a heroic?" |
| 23:25.01 | evilzyme | can anyone help me with UI, i have a screenshot and have no idea how to make this work.... |
| 23:25.12 | Corrodias | foxlit: have you had to introduce many people to the "stamina" stat? |
| 23:25.12 | evilzyme | :( |
| 23:25.17 | Corrodias | sounds like it |
| 23:25.18 | evilzyme | its mad frustrating.. |
| 23:25.47 | cbreak | just claim you've been sunbathing, so not wearing any clothes... |
| 23:27.18 | zenzelezz | evilzyme: just post the screenshot and explain, then you'll see if anyone can help |
| 23:27.27 | evilzyme | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v372/Aeyan/Warcraft/ui0907-hidden.jpg |
| 23:27.47 | evilzyme | i wanna have that setup, ive never had a UI like that, implementing minimap down there inside the frames |
| 23:27.58 | evilzyme | im guessing its FuBar but i have no idea how to set it up like that. |
| 23:28.23 | evilzyme | mumble for the chat screens but i have no idea how to frame it all like that and color it |
| 23:28.27 | evilzyme | its kicking my ass |
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| 23:32.58 | cbreak | you want to move the minimap? |
| 23:33.18 | cbreak | tried to set the anchors? You might have to call ClearAllPoints before. |
| 23:34.04 | Thunder_Child | evilzyme, look at the code for simpleminimap |
| 23:34.13 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#Minimap |
| 23:34.15 | Thunder_Child | or did you just want it done |
| 23:34.15 | evilzyme | i have no idea how to set up like that, thats why im coming here for help :( im mad horrible w interface -_- ive always played w atmost like ag_unitframes, dotimer, and ct mod lol |
| 23:35.15 | cbreak | you basically set a different mask and set new positions I guess |
| 23:35.21 | cbreak | should be easy |
| 23:35.51 | cbreak | don't forget that minimap is a descendant of Frame and Region: http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#Region |
| 23:36.11 | evilzyme | i have a feeling im going to massacre this |
| 23:36.13 | evilzyme | with a passion |
| 23:37.09 | evilzyme | i had simple minimap, how did he make all those frames though? |
| 23:37.36 | cbreak | CreateFrame |
| 23:37.42 | cbreak | or just declare them in an xml |
| 23:37.57 | evilzyme | in what, omggggg im so confused, im an idiOTTTTT |
| 23:38.05 | evilzyme | declare the code with what |
| 23:38.08 | cbreak | text editor |
| 23:38.14 | evilzyme | what file? |
| 23:38.47 | cbreak | what files does your addon have? |
| 23:38.59 | cbreak | if you don't have an xml file yet, create one. or do it in your lua file |
| 23:39.03 | Thunder_Child | the BG looks like eepanels and simple minmap together |
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| 23:44.27 | Tekkub | (2 seconds after login) "u need guild?" |
| 23:44.28 | Tekkub | "no" |
| 23:44.33 | Tekkub | *invite* |
| 23:44.42 | Tekkub | "we have 34 membrs online |
| 23:44.44 | Anaral | *ignore* |
| 23:44.50 | Tekkub | *report spam* |
| 23:45.12 | Tekkub | I need to get the fuck out of Shitwind |
| 23:46.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: yeah, i wrote an addon to auto-block ginvites and petitions just for that shit >< |
| 23:46.33 | Tekkub | well normally I'm in a guild or exodar, so it don't matter |
| 23:46.45 | Tekkub | problem is, I've not hit Dalaran on this guy yet |
| 23:46.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i've gotten spammed with ginvites on my bank alt, so >< |
| 23:46.58 | abyx | when you define a local variable in a .lua file how local is it? is it local per addon folder or per file? |
| 23:47.02 | Tekkub | and SW's the closest flight (fucking 2hr boat ride in fjord) |
| 23:47.13 | NightHawkTheSane | abyx: local per file, unless defined in a more restrictive scope |
| 23:47.22 | abyx | curses |
| 23:49.12 | Tekkub | it must be the weekend... NR GLYPHS FOR 10G OR LESS! |
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| 23:52.44 | mikma | wobin: wobbly! |
| 23:52.55 | Wobin | godddamn |
| 23:52.57 | Wobin | bugged |
| 23:52.59 | Wobin | vehicle |
| 23:53.01 | Wobin | quests |
| 23:53.11 | Wobin | Why can't blizzard get them done RIGHT? |
| 23:53.30 | Tekkub | l2drive! |
| 23:53.36 | Wobin | I can fucking drive |
| 23:53.47 | Tekkub | obviously not |
| 23:53.49 | Wobin | it's when the goddamn storm giant -picks up- the storm clouds instead of absorbing them |
| 23:54.01 | Wobin | gfu tek |
| 23:54.15 | Tekkub | l2osmosis |
| 23:54.39 | abyx | he absorbs it through his hands brah |
| 23:57.05 | zenzelezz | woot, a mage with attack power+run speed meta gem |
| 23:57.21 | abyx | ..... |
| 23:58.27 | mikma | woot, failmage! |
| 23:58.40 | cbreak | at least the runspeed part is useful. |
| 23:58.55 | mikma | err |
| 23:59.03 | Thunder_Child | poke ckknight, your cart 3.0 video is a dead link |
| 23:59.07 | mikma | i'd say it is not in casterclass |
| 23:59.11 | ckknight | yea... I know |
| 23:59.33 | Thunder_Child | ok |
