| 00:00.27 | alestane | I was under the impression that it was because one was balance and the other was Restoration. |
| 00:00.47 | ZorbaTHut | nope, they're both resto |
| 00:00.51 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Moonkin is a Druid's "Mage" form, and Mages can also do Remove Lesser Curse, but have no Remove Poison. Additionally, almost all Poison spells are Nature-based, and the true Nature form of a Druid is Tree. The Moonkin is an Arcane beast. |
| 00:01.03 | ZorbaTHut | the moonkin tooltip says that moonkins can use any balance ability, *plus* Remove Curse |
| 00:01.36 | ZorbaTHut | thrae, I suppose that makes sense. Sort of. :) |
| 00:05.13 | alestane | Also, the moonkin is not really a curer. I think they were given Remove Curse as a utility ability to give them something else to do besides hammer starfire. |
| 00:05.53 | Corr-work | well that doesn't mean they're not "a curer"... |
| 00:06.16 | Corr-work | you can't just ignore class abilities. well, you can, but it won't be so effective to do so. |
| 00:07.16 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: they ARE a curer, by definition, because they have a cure <debuff type> spell :P |
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| 00:08.43 | alestane | Their principle focus and purpose in a group environment is the dropping of shiny meteors on things' heads. Their ability to cure things is a useful rider, not a principle focus, much as with the mage. |
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| 00:09.06 | Corr-work | well, nobody has a principal focus of removing debuffs :| |
| 00:09.15 | Amarande | heh. |
| 00:09.17 | Corr-work | you can say healers are closer to it |
| 00:09.19 | WhiteWolf | could argue a healer has such a focus |
| 00:09.21 | NightHawkTheSane | and yet, pre-wrath, they were the only two classes capable of removing curse. as such, dispelling cursees was, again by definition, a major role of both classes |
| 00:09.28 | Amarande | devilsaur pets start out huge when they first come into view and then insta-shrink |
| 00:09.43 | Corr-work | did they add curse removal to other classes? which? |
| 00:09.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: i believe it was added to tree-form druids, and shamans can talent into it |
| 00:09.59 | alestane | Resto hamans, I believe. |
| 00:10.03 | alestane | shamans* |
| 00:10.31 | NightHawkTheSane | even so, depending on raid makeup, and the importance of the debuff, it can still be a major role to play |
| 00:11.34 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, if its important enough, i'd say feral druids are curers. :P |
| 00:12.31 | WhiteWolf | it's more of a "hey, someone who can remove X, remove X please" |
| 00:12.59 | alestane | ZorbaTHut: Any way you slice it, I'd say the reasons are far more game-balance-based than lore/flavor/in-game rationale-based. |
| 00:13.09 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, and its a situational thing too. |
| 00:14.12 | WhiteWolf | i used to often get stuck curing crap on my paladin |
| 00:15.08 | ZorbaTHut | alestane, well, partially that's my question also |
| 00:15.24 | ZorbaTHut | I'm trying to imagine what game balance issue is fixed by moonkin being able to cure curses, but *not* poisons |
| 00:16.05 | ZorbaTHut | especially because a druid in moonkin form is completely able to cure poisons, it's just somewhat more expensive and annoying |
| 00:17.14 | WhiteWolf | i think they're going for the expense and annoyance factor |
| 00:18.32 | WhiteWolf | if you have a rogue whacking on you, switching out of your armour form just to cure may not be the most intelligent thing to do |
| 00:18.48 | WhiteWolf | though possible when kiting |
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| 00:38.06 | Anaral | Knew there was a reason I didn't like Mauradon. No way out once you kill the ugly princess. |
| 00:39.15 | alestane | There is, somewhere. |
| 00:39.29 | alestane | Been ages since I was down there though. |
| 00:40.52 | Tekkub | bleh |
| 00:41.05 | Tekkub | unmotivation + horniness sucks |
| 00:41.21 | Tekkub | it's like, I want sex, but I don't want to do it... I just want it to come to me |
| 00:41.56 | Thunder_Child | idea=`grep -i clue /dev/brain` ; test -z "$idea" && echo "sorry, init 6 in progress" |
| 00:42.39 | alestane | Too busy rebooting? |
| 00:43.49 | Thunder_Child | more like shuting down |
| 00:44.16 | alestane | Wouldn't you want init 0, then? |
| 00:44.45 | Thunder_Child | wait..i thought init 6 was to go into x-windows? |
| 00:44.56 | Thunder_Child | it's been a while since my nix classes |
| 00:45.47 | alestane | init 6 puts the system into runlevel 6, which defaults to shutting down all services and rebootings. |
| 00:45.52 | alestane | rebooting*. |
| 00:46.15 | alestane | I'm a week into teaching a Linux Admin class. |
| 00:46.26 | alestane | So that's pretty fresh in my head. |
| 00:46.36 | WhiteWolf | well |
| 00:46.42 | WhiteWolf | the flaw in that is that initlevels are dependent on the distro |
| 00:47.32 | alestane | This is true. Hence why I said it "defaults". I believe you can arrange the runlevels into anything you want if you're willing to set up the initialization scripts. |
| 00:47.37 | Amarande | Thunder_Child: X Window System tends to be init level 2, 3, 4, or 5 depending on distro |
| 00:47.51 | alestane | The ones I've dealt with put it at 5. |
| 00:47.52 | Amarande | There are also runlevels 7, 8, and 9 which are never used by distros |
| 00:48.53 | alestane | Presumably by Unix convention. |
| 00:49.11 | ZorbaTHut | the whole runlevel thing is kind of weird, IMHO |
| 00:49.22 | ZorbaTHut | it seems like there Ought To Be A Better Way |
| 00:49.34 | alestane | According to my text, it's a holdover from some Bell Labs telephone switch systems. |
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| 00:50.23 | WhiteWolf | almost every os has a concept of runlevels |
| 00:50.30 | WhiteWolf | windows safemode, for instance |
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| 00:57.23 | bleeter | iirc, the standard run level for X is 5, 3 is full networking pretty much everything without X. 4 is largely unused/used for user stuff between 3 and 5. similarly, 2 is generally user stuff between 1 and 3 |
| 00:57.44 | bleeter | and I use the word standard in the loverly way that standards in *nixville usually are |
| 00:58.20 | bleeter | ie, it's the way a fair amount of stuff has ended up, which iirc is based on SysVR4, BSD systems prolly a bit diff still etc. etc. etc. |
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| 01:02.25 | ZorbaTHut | the concept of "system states" doesn't seem terrible, but having a small limited number of cryptic numeric states . . . does :) |
| 01:02.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm watching this video of our 25s patchwerk kill, and all I can think of |
| 01:02.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Is how OnUpdate intensive this guy's UI is |
| 01:03.21 | ScytheBlade1 | And how much current buff/debuff mdos suck |
| 01:03.24 | ScytheBlade1 | *mods |
| 01:03.28 | clad|sleep | lol |
| 01:04.01 | Tekkub | why do people think they need all that info up all the damn time? |
| 01:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Like the entire right side of his screen |
| 01:04.16 | |pez| | So they can nag for buffs? |
| 01:04.18 | ScytheBlade1 | And he has a HUGE resolution |
| 01:04.19 | Wobin | I'd like to see my debuffs |
| 01:04.25 | WhiteWolf | because realistically it can't hurt |
| 01:04.30 | ScytheBlade1 | The top 2/3 of this monitor - well over 1200 high - are just buffs |
| 01:04.36 | Wobin | so I know if I need to break cycle to keep up my diseases =P |
| 01:04.40 | Tekkub | "realistically it can't hurt" I lol'd, irl |
| 01:04.48 | ScytheBlade1 | In combat that goes to nearly 2/4 |
| 01:04.51 | ScytheBlade1 | *3/4 |
| 01:04.57 | Wobin | I need to mod my buffmod to not show buffs |
| 01:05.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to write mine to show maybe the six I care about |
| 01:05.13 | Wobin | yeah |
| 01:05.14 | ZorbaTHut | because when you're soloing, it matters, and it's not enough of an issue to turn it off when you're not soloing |
| 01:05.15 | ScytheBlade1 | And then tell me the rest on mouseover |
| 01:05.15 | WhiteWolf | i often play wow at 3360x1050, i get more lag from the fact that one video card is working it's ass off than i'd get from the UI |
| 01:05.20 | Wobin | cause I don't care about Horn of Winter |
| 01:05.29 | Kirov | I want to write a mod that tracks your eye location. |
| 01:05.31 | Wobin | I just care that all mobs have my diseases on them |
| 01:05.35 | Kirov | And brain waves. |
| 01:05.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean just self buffs, not target buffs/debuff |
| 01:05.47 | Wobin | And punches you in the face remotely? |
| 01:06.24 | Tekkub | "it matters"? how? buffs only matter when they AREN'T present, so why do you need to know when they are |
| 01:06.30 | Tekkub | you should need to know when they aren't |
| 01:07.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:07.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I just noticed his 2 button is the one he spams |
| 01:07.27 | Tekkub | shadow bolt? |
| 01:07.29 | ScytheBlade1 | And it's actually a macro named "RAPE" |
| 01:07.38 | WhiteWolf | the negative set of buffs is larger in cardinality than the set of currently active buffs *shrug* |
| 01:07.39 | Tekkub | oh he's a rogue |
| 01:07.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Caps and all |
| 01:07.56 | ScytheBlade1 | frostfire mage |
| 01:08.18 | ZorbaTHut | plus, trying to track when you *don't* have a buff implies that you need to know when you *should* have a buff |
| 01:08.19 | WhiteWolf | i always end up naming my macros something nonsensical |
| 01:08.26 | clad|sleep | KILL |
| 01:08.42 | Tekkub | ZorbaTHut, if your addon isn't telling you you need the buff, then you don't :P |
| 01:08.43 | ZorbaTHut | I want to know when I don't have Mark of the Wild, but only when I'm in a group with a druid |
| 01:08.49 | ZorbaTHut | it gets complicated. :) |
| 01:09.10 | WhiteWolf | the human brain is fairly competent at pattern recongition, which is what the buff icons are |
| 01:09.16 | WhiteWolf | luckily enough, anyway |
| 01:09.20 | selckin | i just a mob i can tell to show buff for mobs, and debuff for players, somehow thats too hard |
| 01:09.26 | Tekkub | that's not complicated at all, that's you need to watch him at the start and make sure he buffs you |
| 01:09.33 | Tekkub | if he fails at that, then you bitch |
| 01:09.35 | ZorbaTHut | whitewolf, I think you may have cause and effect backwards, but ;) |
| 01:09.47 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/misc/waitwhat.png |
| 01:10.05 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, I have a macro named FUCK |
| 01:10.14 | WhiteWolf | ZorbaTHut: the point still stands :), if i don't have an icon i expect to have i whine actively |
| 01:10.25 | ZorbaTHut | white, same |
| 01:10.26 | WhiteWolf | i have at least one macro for each character called spam, and it has nothing to do with chat |
| 01:10.58 | ZorbaTHut | I have been considering rigging up a configurable-like-baggins-style UI mod to notify me on important buffs/debuffs/events |
| 01:11.33 | Wobin | baggins style? |
| 01:12.01 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, the same configurable "here is a pile of conditionals, chain them together however you wish" deal |
| 01:12.15 | Tekkub | wow, just... wow |
| 01:12.25 | Wobin | that's overthinking it a bit, no? |
| 01:12.40 | Tekkub | I love people that throw horribly complex addons at social problems |
| 01:12.42 | ZorbaTHut | why? you only need half a dozen conditionals for most things |
| 01:12.54 | Wobin | majority of the time, SCT or the like can throw up a "Use Triggered Skill NOW!" |
| 01:13.02 | Wobin | on a buff |
| 01:13.03 | selckin | Tekkub: social problems are hard :\ |
| 01:13.13 | Tekkub | find people that can play their class (maintaining buffs is a core ability for nearly every class) and you don't need addons |
| 01:13.25 | ZorbaTHut | it's not like a baggins-style UI is particularly hard |
| 01:13.53 | Wobin | What sort of chains would you request, Zorba? |
| 01:13.57 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, my goal with addons is to handle repetitive tasks so I don't have to worry about them as much and can pay more attention to other, less easily-solvable-in-code issues |
| 01:14.07 | Amarande | heh, I should go back to heroic shadow labs at 80 and see how badly my party decimates itself |
| 01:14.15 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, "if target is boss and Thunder Clap duration < 15s, display TC in yellow above character" |
| 01:14.17 | Wobin | Amarande: hehe =) |
| 01:14.24 | ZorbaTHut | "if duration <= 0s, display in red" |
| 01:14.35 | ZorbaTHut | actually, TC%durationleft% |
| 01:14.51 | Amarande | I'm also wondering what 80 battlegrounds are like right now |
| 01:14.56 | Amarande | since there's like jack all for 80 pvp gear :) |
| 01:15.11 | ZorbaTHut | if sword-and-board buff is up, display "S+B %duration%" next to character. that sort of thing. |
| 01:15.13 | WhiteWolf | arguging about which UI is *best* is like arguing which editor is best, there's no right answer but everyone seems to think there is |
| 01:15.55 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, speaking about that, I just realized I've been wandering around on my druid for the last ten minutes with no buffs |
| 01:16.00 | NightHawkTheSane | VI RULEZZ!!!1 EMACS SUX! |
| 01:16.03 | NightHawkTheSane | WOOOOOOOOO |
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| 01:16.08 | ZorbaTHut | a little indicator saying "hey bozo buff yourself" wouldn't be a bad idea :) |
| 01:16.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 01:16.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 01:16.08 | WhiteWolf | i do happen to be a vim person, yes |
| 01:16.11 | Tekkub | you JUST realized |
| 01:16.21 | Tekkub | because you're more interested in when they're there |
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| 01:16.26 | Tekkub | instead of when they're not :P |
| 01:16.40 | Tekkub | I rest my point :) |
| 01:17.00 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, see, my point is that I think a notifier is a good thing *as well* as the buff listing |
| 01:17.04 | ZorbaTHut | if I had to choose one, it'd be the buff listing |
| 01:17.14 | Tekkub | you get the "buff listing" from the default UI |
| 01:17.24 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know about you, but I think the default UI buff listing is ugly :) |
| 01:17.32 | WhiteWolf | vim. |
| 01:17.34 | Tekkub | I have no issues with the defaul UI buffs |
| 01:17.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm using the stock UI buff listing |
| 01:17.38 | WhiteWolf | emacs. |
| 01:17.41 | Tem | I should really stress less about finals |
| 01:17.44 | Tekkub | WhiteWolf, shut up |
| 01:17.52 | WhiteWolf | Tekkub: my point is clear |
| 01:17.56 | WhiteWolf | almost as clear as yours |
| 01:17.59 | Tem | I haven't had a single final that wsa worth half the time I spent studying for it yet |
| 01:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Unfortunately it's getting a bit crazy with Wrath raids, whre I have more buffs than three rows can display |
| 01:18.03 | Tekkub | you like text editor holy wars |
| 01:18.04 | Tem | WhiteWolf, shutup |
| 01:18.05 | Tekkub | good for you |
| 01:18.09 | Tekkub | go tell someone else |
| 01:18.24 | WhiteWolf | Tekkub: your argument is completely and without doubt the exact same thing |
| 01:18.42 | Tekkub | no it's not |
| 01:18.47 | Tem | WhiteWolf, I don't know who you are, and I really don't have any context |
| 01:18.50 | Tem | but you're pissing me off |
| 01:18.56 | WhiteWolf | i apologize then |
| 01:19.00 | Tekkub | oh oh oh keep it up |
| 01:19.01 | Tem | that made it worse |
| 01:19.05 | Tekkub | Tem's great when he's pissed |
| 01:19.18 | Tem | XD |
| 01:19.33 | Tekkub | Tem, WhiteWolf just asked me for your address so he could send flowers |
| 01:19.43 | Tem | *stab* |
| 01:20.25 | Tem | I think I'm going to name a character "Occam" |
| 01:20.32 | Tem | and have aguild named "Razor" |
| 01:20.48 | WhiteWolf | it suits the discussion well |
| 01:20.56 | Wobin | Tem: Or just a hunter |
| 01:20.58 | Wobin | with a pet |
| 01:21.20 | Wobin | And make sure the pet is a rhino |
| 01:21.22 | Tem | then, when there are disputes on how to do a particular fight, I will say something like "What do I say about these situations?" |
| 01:21.32 | Tem | Wobin, I can't ever play a hunter |
| 01:21.38 | Tem | I have an ingrained hatred for them |
| 01:21.47 | Tem | in fact, I bet WhiteWolf plays a hunter |
| 01:21.48 | Wobin | Tem: And... this will make you different from every other hunter? =) |
| 01:21.53 | WhiteWolf | Tem: in fact, not |
| 01:22.12 | Tem | if not a huntard, then perhaps a Dumb Knight? |
| 01:22.18 | WhiteWolf | never |
| 01:22.47 | Shirik | ok, Naxx 25, which we've cleared |
| 01:22.51 | Shirik | killing trash now |
| 01:22.58 | Shirik | I die on the first pull. Oh well. |
| 01:23.02 | ZorbaTHut | at some point I plan to make a hunter named Xxleggolassxx |
| 01:23.08 | WhiteWolf | Tem: my first love was a rogue, and i made a paladin since our guild needed another tank |
| 01:23.09 | Shirik | Second pull... "Len wants to resurrect you and you will be able to in 13 seconds" |
| 01:23.18 | Shirik | Third pull... "Len wants to resurrect you and you will be able to in 25 seconds" |
| 01:23.24 | Shirik | this is not going to be a fun night :( |
| 01:23.40 | Tem | Shirik, so much for The Undying |
| 01:23.46 | selckin | its only on bosses |
| 01:23.50 | Shirik | well, they aren't boss pulls! |
| 01:23.50 | selckin | can die all you want on trash |
| 01:23.53 | Tem | oh? |
| 01:24.02 | Tem | I didn't realize that change had been made |
| 01:24.04 | selckin | and its the immortal in 25 :\ |
| 01:24.16 | Tem | Shirik, also, if you're dying on trash, your tanks need to l2p |
| 01:24.24 | Tem | (and you need a CoH nerf) |
| 01:24.31 | ScytheBlade1 | "Do you want me to open recount, so you can look both stupid AND wrong?" -- said over vent |
| 01:24.32 | NightHawkTheSane | what do people use for monitoring cooldowns these days? >.> |
| 01:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: CooldownButtons |
| 01:24.46 | selckin | we pull at least 2 packs at a time in naxx 25 :\ |
| 01:24.47 | Kirov | OmniCC! |
| 01:24.48 | selckin | usually 3 |
| 01:24.52 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10769-CooldownButtons.html |
| 01:24.54 | Tem | NightHawkTheSane, my eyes + OmniCC |
| 01:25.15 | Amarande | Zorba: XxNamesSuckxX |
| 01:25.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem, Kirov: thats what im doing now, but im rejiggering some of my action bars and looking for alternatives. |
| 01:25.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: i can search myself, but thanks :) |
| 01:25.25 | selckin | dkdkhunterdklegolasdk imo |
| 01:25.36 | Tem | so |
| 01:25.42 | Tem | this rogue was making fun of death knight names |
| 01:25.57 | Amarande | I've also seen names used for characters that TOTALLY don't reflect the characters they're taken from |
| 01:26.08 | Tem | so someone said to him "Hi, Pot, I'd like you meet Kettle." |
| 01:26.22 | Tem | and then I reported his name |
| 01:26.39 | Tem | yay for trade channel |
| 01:26.42 | Tem | *sigh* |
| 01:27.16 | selckin | we had someone named rolfcopterx for like a year, its listed in the policy as a disallowed name :\ |
| 01:27.38 | Tem | we had a lolwtfhax rogue in our guild |
| 01:27.44 | Tekkub | my leveling partner reported <Fat kids lag IRL> the other night |
| 01:27.52 | Tekkub | then 10 min later the guy rez'd him |
| 01:28.23 | Tem | actually, there was a lolwtfhax rogue in my guild when I joined it |
| 01:28.32 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: I really like CDB because it's simple, straightforward, really clear and as compact as you want it |
| 01:28.32 | abyx | my guild <Internet Predators> got reported for being too "scary" =( |
| 01:28.37 | Tem | I don't remember what he changed it to after I reported him |
| 01:28.44 | ScytheBlade1 | abyx: be glad that's all you got |
| 01:29.03 | Tem | NO SOUP FOR YOU |
| 01:29.08 | abyx | it was like a full raiding guild too |
| 01:29.10 | Tem | COME BACK ONE YEAR |
| 01:29.20 | Tekkub | I reported <Fallopian Swim Team> (yes, spelled wrong).. and the GM didn't do shit |
| 01:29.27 | Gnarfoz | I know a rogue that changed *to* "Emolol" after being flagged for rename |
| 01:29.29 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 01:29.34 | Tekkub | pissed me off, obviously the guy doesn't know his female anatomy |
| 01:29.50 | abyx | most people on the internet don't |
| 01:29.56 | Wobin | Tekkub: Maybe he was referring to the eggs |
| 01:30.05 | selckin | i tried to report my own name, it violated at least 3 things listed in their policy, but they refused to let me rename :\ (i digged up trademarks and stuff :p) |
| 01:30.13 | Tekkub | either way it's a sexual reference :P |
| 01:30.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Trademarks don't matter unless the owning company complains |
| 01:30.34 | Wobin | selckin: what was your name, ArthasThrall? |
| 01:30.36 | selckin | policy still says its not allowed |
| 01:30.40 | ZorbaTHut | I knew someone who got forced to change his name, and ended up submitting a list of ten potential names to the GM |
| 01:30.41 | ScytheBlade1 | That's great |
| 01:30.44 | Tekkub | I need a DK named Arfus |
| 01:30.46 | ScytheBlade1 | It doesn't matter unless the company complains |
| 01:30.47 | ZorbaTHut | each one being a carefully disguised racial slur or obscenity |
| 01:30.57 | selckin | it is if they make that their policy. |
| 01:31.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I know it's their policy |
| 01:31.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Perfectly well |
| 01:31.07 | Amarande | Zorba: did the GMs see through it? |
| 01:31.10 | ZorbaTHut | the theory was that the GM wouldn't catch some of those, and it worked, he got a list of three back that he was allowed to use |
| 01:31.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not enforced unless the owning company complains |
| 01:31.19 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: If I was the GM, I'd just name him 'noobhat' |
| 01:31.20 | ZorbaTHut | used one of 'em for about half a year before someone else complained ;) |
| 01:31.27 | Wobin | and lock the name |
| 01:31.41 | Kirov | Iamaracist |
| 01:31.46 | Tekkub | Boobkin |
| 01:31.49 | selckin | i should report our dk named phuqed |
| 01:32.05 | selckin | see what they think about that |
| 01:32.11 | Kirov | I played with a guy named Chode for a while. |
| 01:32.11 | Tekkub | quick someone make a DK named Michael |
| 01:32.15 | Wobin | Join an Oceanic server and call yourself Wakakiwi |
| 01:32.20 | abyx | i know of a certain "niggyfiz" that hasn't been reported yet |
| 01:32.23 | Amarande | one of my Guild Wars characters could be seen as a sexual reference *if* you interpreted it a certain way ... however, it's extremely unlikely that anyone not involved in the occult is going to know the meaning, let alone be likely to interpret it that way even if they did |
| 01:32.30 | Wobin | Michael Jenkins? =) |
| 01:32.43 | Kirov | Michael Knight! |
| 01:32.43 | Amarande | It didn't even occur to me till well AFTER I'd created the character. |
| 01:32.45 | Tekkub | man I knew this guy that ran a LS named Bukakke on FFXI for nearly a year |
| 01:32.46 | Amarande | "Layla Sephirah" |
| 01:32.56 | Tekkub | mind you, there's a ton of JP players there |
| 01:32.58 | abyx | Tekkub lol |
| 01:33.12 | Tekkub | it had the cream-white LS pearl too |
| 01:33.16 | Wobin | Of course, only a New Zealander would get the "Wakakiwi" name =P |
| 01:33.23 | Amarande | Apparently, "Sephirah" means "emanation", but *properly* a more spiritual occult type, like the emanations of divine power in the Qabalistic tree of life |
| 01:33.28 | Tekkub | it totally looked like a cumblob by your name |
| 01:33.29 | Wobin | er WhakaKiwi =P |
| 01:33.33 | Amarande | and Layla ... well, a lot of people probably know that Layla means Night |
| 01:34.04 | Amarande | but given that most non-occultists wouldn't even know what a Sephira(h) is ... heh |
| 01:34.22 | Tekkub | Seffy has completely different meaning in MMOs |
| 01:34.33 | Tekkub | it's up there with Legolas |
| 01:34.37 | Wobin | s'true |
| 01:35.33 | Tekkub | I should name a guild <No Sephiroths> |
| 01:35.43 | Wobin | Amarande: I have to admit, that's a pretty obscure sexual reference =P |
| 01:36.39 | Tekkub | WoWI should adopt dattebayo's ban policy |
| 01:36.44 | Tekkub | piss off an admin, ban |
| 01:36.50 | Tekkub | stupid question, ban |
| 01:36.57 | abyx | so i missed the answer from earlier (if there even was one) to the question i asked earlier.. so i'm asking again |
| 01:37.01 | Tekkub | ask for a "tracking pinger" addon, ban |
| 01:37.09 | Cairenn | heh |
| 01:37.16 | abyx | when you type /chatinfo 1 what event is fired? it's not CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL |
| 01:37.19 | Cairenn | very very tempting by times, trust me |
| 01:37.31 | Wobin | Is there an event fired at all? |
| 01:37.45 | Tekkub | ask a question that was answered in the post you DIDN'T READ, ban |
| 01:38.01 | abyx | no one but admins would remain |
| 01:38.02 | Wobin | Sunspots? ban |
| 01:38.03 | Tekkub | an event must fire or it wouldn't work :P |
| 01:38.16 | abyx | and then that would be a boring community |
| 01:38.18 | Tekkub | admins and not-idiots |
| 01:38.39 | abyx | anyway, anyone know what even it is? |
| 01:39.01 | Olorin | wouldnt it show if you used devtools event tracer? |
| 01:39.16 | abyx | CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_LIST found it |
| 01:41.40 | Amarande | Wobin: yeah, I didn't even realize it was one till I looked later |
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| 01:42.28 | Amarande | well. there goes another group quest into the solo bin |
| 01:42.30 | Amarande | you know |
| 01:42.39 | Amarande | I feel -really bad- for the people who play harder to solo classes, like priests |
| 01:43.01 | Amarande | because in say borean, they're going to have a tough time getting groups for group quests if they need it |
| 01:43.41 | Tekkub | group quests? |
| 01:43.49 | Tekkub | in borean? |
| 01:43.56 | Amarande | Tekkub: yeah, so-called group quests |
| 01:44.03 | Amarande | actually, one of them I'm really not sure how hard it is to do |
| 01:44.15 | Amarande | mainly because I short circuited it for no effort by luck |
| 01:44.33 | bnovc | how can you tell when wintergrasp starts if you're not in dalaran? |
| 01:44.38 | Amarande | I forget now if Kaw the Mammoth Destroyer is even group, though heh |
| 01:44.52 | Amarande | all I know is I never had to fight Kaw, because the halberd can be looted by anyone, like Araj's stuff in WPL |
| 01:45.22 | Tekkub | Kaw is soloable, that's why you get a friggin mammoth |
| 01:45.44 | Amarande | Ned and Karen were ridiculously easy, though |
| 01:45.56 | Amarande | I'm really not even sure why Karen is considered a group quest, since I don't remember any of the enemies even being elite |
| 01:46.14 | Tekkub | tradition |
| 01:46.23 | Wobin | The only group quest in DB I did was ... the kill the dragon one |
| 01:46.26 | Amarande | Tekkub: maybe she was elite in beta? |
| 01:46.32 | Amarande | I didn't get into beta, so I don't know |
| 01:46.32 | Tekkub | nessy quests are 2-3 normals ended with a group |
| 01:46.34 | Wobin | mostly cause someone else was doing it at the same time |
| 01:46.44 | Tem | oh fucking hell |
| 01:46.58 | Tem | I was just informed that my warrior's name is connected to the Twilight series |
| 01:47.00 | Amarande | apparently for instance the reason that the Grillok quest in Hellfire was group was that he used to be elite |
| 01:47.02 | Wobin | Oh and the one where you had to teleport up and kill the three bosses |
| 01:47.03 | Tem | *stab* |
| 01:47.08 | Wobin | Tem: What name? |
| 01:47.09 | Amarande | they de-elited him, but didn't de-group the quest |
| 01:47.12 | Tem | Debussy |
| 01:47.15 | Wobin | ... |
| 01:47.20 | Amarande | Tem: you will have to jump off the broken bridge in Borean now :) |
| 01:47.23 | Wobin | Oh... like that's never been used before Twilight |
| 01:47.23 | Amarande | heh |
| 01:47.28 | Amarande | I've actually fallen off that bridge before :P |
| 01:47.38 | Tekkub | not like there's a composer named that |
| 01:47.39 | Amarande | and surprisingly, I've never gone splat from that |
| 01:47.42 | Wobin | I did it deliberately |
| 01:47.43 | Tem | Tekkub, that's where I got the name |
| 01:47.47 | Tekkub | he preferred cats to people |
| 01:47.47 | Amarande | I've always managed to land in the water |
| 01:47.48 | Wobin | the one on Amber Ledge? |
| 01:47.53 | Tekkub | (like me) |
| 01:48.05 | Tem | Almost all of my toons have music-themed names |
| 01:48.09 | Tem | most people just never notice |
| 01:48.10 | Wobin | My friend named her cat Claude |
| 01:48.20 | Tem | I was really sad that Claude was taken |
| 01:48.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: indeed. cats, at least, aren't retards all the time. and wh en they are, they're cute about it. |
| 01:48.28 | Tem | that was going to be my priest's name |
| 01:48.36 | Tekkub | and you can beat them when they are |
| 01:48.37 | Wobin | The cat is also female |
| 01:48.43 | Tem | XD |
| 01:48.47 | Wobin | so it possibly was very confused =) |
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| 01:49.13 | Wobin | And naming a cat Claude was funny, even without the Debussy conneciton |
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| 01:49.39 | Wobin | (and pun) |
| 01:49.41 | Tekkub | my cats are name Rommie and Fuzzy McFuzznuts |
| 01:49.48 | Tekkub | which he doesn't have anymore |
| 01:50.07 | Wobin | Fuzzy McFuzznubs? |
| 01:50.12 | Wobin | =( |
| 01:50.21 | Amarande | I remember seeing back on Quel'dorei a hunter named Childric with a pet (think it was a cat) named Solaine |
| 01:50.36 | Amarande | I'm not sure if anyone but Cairenn and I here would know the references, though |
| 01:51.10 | Cairenn | heh |
| 01:51.30 | Wobin | I never got into the Kushiel series |
| 01:51.43 | Cairenn | it's _very_ intense |
| 01:51.50 | Tekkub | Kushy kushy |
| 01:52.01 | Anaral | I LOVE the Kushiel series |
| 01:52.18 | Cairenn | me too, but omg you need to know what it is you're getting yourself into |
| 01:52.19 | Amarande | which also reminds me, I really need to be more active on Terre d'Ange |
| 01:52.20 | Wobin | I managed to get a hunter named Schrodinger |
| 01:52.33 | Cairenn | Wobin: lol |
| 01:52.35 | NightHawkTheSane | ... thats epic |
| 01:52.43 | Tekkub | Calvin's better for a hntard |
| 01:52.50 | Wobin | You can guess which pet I was going to get, though |
| 01:53.01 | Cairenn | hmmm, an owl? |
| 01:53.04 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 01:53.07 | Wobin | pft, Ghostsabre! |
| 01:53.23 | Cairenn | that's what I use all the time |
| 01:53.27 | Amarande | I suspect I will end up in either Jasmine or Mandrake House there, but who knows, I haven't been on the site enough yet to get to the point where I have to choose |
| 01:53.50 | Tekkub | I wish locks could name their pets... I want a voidy name Satchii |
| 01:53.54 | |pez| | I call my pet appropriate to it's task. |
| 01:54.06 | Amarande | Tekkub: and then you could name your felguard properly, too |
| 01:54.08 | |pez| | I have a worm called Bait, and acat called Decoy. |
| 01:54.09 | Amarande | mine's named Leeshmawl :( |
| 01:54.21 | Amarande | I never got around to naming Solainne's bat |
| 01:54.24 | Tekkub | I don't care about then, I just want a Satchii |
| 01:54.27 | Amarande | eventually I was going to get an owl and call it Shemhazai |
| 01:54.38 | Amarande | but since horde have a toughish time getting an owl before the 50's ... |
| 01:54.47 | Amarande | and I never got past 21 ... |
| 01:55.19 | Amarande | I know getting to the draenei isles at 70 is easy, but I doubt it's easy for a low level hunter |
| 01:55.27 | Wobin | sure it is |
| 01:55.31 | Wobin | corpsehop |
| 01:55.34 | Amarande | and actually ... I think you have to go to teldrassil for an owl, don't you? |
| 01:55.36 | |pez| | Pff, get some high level friends to summon you to teldrasill or something. |
| 01:55.37 | Wobin | yeah |
| 01:55.50 | Amarande | teldrassil at that level might be best done with the root trick |
| 01:56.00 | Wobin | *wink wink nudge nudge* |
| 01:56.11 | Amarande | you know the root trick, right? |
| 01:56.15 | |pez| | what is this root trick you speak of? |
| 01:56.23 | Amarande | |pez|: easy way for horde to get into teldrassil |
| 01:56.29 | Amarande | involves a spirit rez, but no troubles with guards or pvp flag |
| 01:56.37 | |pez| | Ahaa.. |
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| 01:56.47 | Amarande | basically, the trick is to find a place to die, where you will be sent to Dolanaar instead of Darkshore |
| 01:56.58 | |pez| | Aah |
| 01:57.01 | Amarande | the easiest way is to jump off the boat just before it gets to Rut'theran (which avoids any guards) |
| 01:57.09 | Amarande | then you swim around east to a root at about coords 74,74 |
| 01:57.20 | Amarande | and then you whomp yourself down onto the ground beneath the root, then spirit rez |
| 01:57.30 | |pez| | riight |
| 01:57.34 | |pez| | sounds painful |
| 01:57.43 | Amarande | |pez|: at lower levels, not as painful as trying to run through Darnassus |
| 01:57.50 | |pez| | this is true! |
| 01:57.59 | Amarande | you also do not get pvp flagged, at all |
| 01:58.12 | |pez| | Well, that doesn't really matter on a PvP server, now does it. |
| 01:58.21 | Amarande | I'm not sure what level you have to be to not aggro the level 65 Dolanaar guards near the spirit rez point though |
| 01:58.24 | |pez| | Not when you're in Alliance land anyway |
| 01:58.34 | Amarande | spirit rez aggro is ... shall we say fun |
| 01:58.53 | Yssaril | anyone remember the name of the addon that puts a border around items that you have equiped in your character frame and colores them according to their rairity? (gray, white,green,blue,purple)? |
| 01:58.57 | Amarande | I still remember on Quel'dorei a guildie of mine at the time was leveling her alt, wandered into the snowy part of Alterac at WAY too low level |
| 01:59.16 | Amarande | and then ended up spirit rezzing in a spot she couldn't get out of because she'd aggro basically as soon as she spawned |
| 01:59.26 | Amarande | at least, couldn't get out of without -ages- of corpse hopping |
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| 01:59.35 | Amarande | I ended up grabbing a couple random folks at Ratchet to summon her away heh |
| 01:59.44 | |pez| | aww |
| 02:00.04 | |pez| | that's nice of you. |
| 02:07.14 | Amarande | hmm, which ring do I replace with http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38250 ? |
| 02:07.48 | Amarande | I currently have http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31339 and http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37527 |
| 02:08.34 | Amarande | or should I vendor the blue ring |
| 02:09.02 | Wobin | Yssaril: taint? |
| 02:09.04 | Amarande | thinking if critical->haste is a good trade ... |
| 02:10.06 | Yssaril | Wobin: nope had it before but forgot about it and now i want it back :P |
| 02:10.31 | Amarande | ehh, guess shimmering band is going away lol |
| 02:10.36 | Amarande | and I've only had it for such a short time |
| 02:10.49 | Amarande | ahh, the days of leveling and gear that you use for a blip and then replace right away |
| 02:11.31 | Amarande | wonder how long before I'll replace the Twin Stars set ... not till 80 perhaps? |
| 02:15.10 | mikma | whats the easiest way of knowing how long your debuff will last on mob? ie Icy Touch on mob |
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| 02:16.16 | Anaral | Cairenn have their been issues with Tomtom not downloading properly lately? A friend just downloaded LH + TT but Tomtom isn't on her addon select menu. |
| 02:16.36 | Cairenn | not to my knowledge |
| 02:16.56 | mikma | she extracted it wrong |
| 02:17.04 | mikma | or installed it wrong |
| 02:17.15 | Anaral | Well as long as when she redownloads it works, I'll chalk it up to newb error |
| 02:18.16 | Wobin | mikma: something like dottimer |
| 02:20.36 | mikma | wobin: but in code |
| 02:20.54 | bleeter | Anaral: sounds like a good opportunity to edumacate your friend about (md5) checksums |
| 02:21.06 | Anaral | Lol |
| 02:21.10 | Wobin | mikma: something like dottimer =) |
| 02:21.17 | Anaral | That'd mean I'd need to learn it first, Bleeter. |
| 02:21.32 | bleeter | *yourself and your friend |
| 02:21.33 | Wobin | pft, what kind of internet smartarse are you? |
| 02:21.46 | Wobin | just direct her to a wikipedia article and feel smug |
| 02:22.44 | bleeter | Wobin: a very good one, i'm leaving the opportunity for others to be smartarses as well ;) |
| 02:26.24 | Anaral | Wobin That's probably what I'd do, considering I've already directed her to wowwiki, Wowhead and WoWI and away from Thottbot. |
| 02:43.10 | |pez| | ... Johnny Depp is in Platoon? 0.o |
| 02:46.17 | Wobin | zomg |
| 02:46.21 | Wobin | DK changes O.O |
| 02:46.30 | Wobin | 5) Bone Shield -- mitigation reduced from 40% to 20%. |
| 02:46.31 | Wobin | 6) Icebound Fortitude â now reduces damage by 20% instead of 50%. The amount of damage reduced increases with bonus Defense (to about 35% for 540 Defense, but it can go higher). The stun immunity is intended to be its primary role in PvP. |
| 02:46.35 | Wobin | =( |
| 02:47.26 | Wobin | 11) Night of the Dead -- now grants 40/70% passive area spell avoidance to your pet in addition to its current effects. |
| 02:47.28 | Wobin | oh hm |
| 02:48.28 | Wobin | also |
| 02:48.28 | Wobin | New death knight sigils are now available, primarily from vendors, including a tanking-oriented sigil. |
| 02:48.31 | Wobin | (finally!) |
| 02:49.00 | Wobin | oh no =( |
| 02:49.08 | Wobin | SoD reduced down from 45sec to 25sec |
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| 02:53.28 | sacarasc | SoD? |
| 02:53.50 | bleeter | |pez|: old news |
| 02:53.59 | Wobin | Shadow of Death |
| 02:54.23 | Wobin | brings the DK back as a ghoul after he dies |
| 02:54.39 | Wobin | I consider it one of the best dk talents ever |
| 02:55.04 | Wobin | cause as a ghoul, you have surprising dps, and you don't take any equipment damage if you're fast enough |
| 02:55.24 | Wobin | I've finished off any number of bosses as a ghoul |
| 02:55.25 | Cralor` | what is going wrong here? i cant get frame to move http://pastey.net/104147 |
| 02:56.41 | Wobin | You're not pressing alt? =) |
| 02:56.48 | Cralor` | heh |
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| 02:56.51 | Cralor` | nopes :D |
| 02:57.03 | Cralor` | it is acutally for a friend... but i asked her that already :P |
| 02:57.10 | Wobin | I'm not sure... it looks fine |
| 02:57.16 | Cralor` | and i am stumped... even tho i should know this |
| 02:58.48 | Wobin | does it work on your system? |
| 02:58.56 | Wobin | cause troubleshooting code like that 3rd hand is terrible |
| 02:59.03 | Cralor` | yea you're right :P |
| 02:59.06 | Cralor` | i will. |
| 02:59.27 | Codayus_ | Wobin: Overall some nice DK changes, I think. |
| 02:59.38 | Wobin | yeah |
| 02:59.41 | Codayus_ | I want to see the changed glyphs/new sigils though. |
| 02:59.44 | Wobin | The nerfs aren't too bad |
| 03:00.07 | Amarande | I think my most dramatic boss victory was in Hellfire Ramparts, the time I was tanking on my paladin and the DPS weren't quick enough to keep moving with me against the dragon |
| 03:00.29 | Amarande | so all the DPS died, and I had to finish off the last few % by myself with only the healer's backup, and I was oom to the point that the healer had to blow their innervate on me |
| 03:00.30 | Codayus_ | For tanking, unholy is...about as good as ever I think, at least at current gear levels. Take more damage when BA is up, less when its down...overall good. |
| 03:00.34 | Codayus_ | And the ghoul changes are win. |
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| 03:05.13 | Wobin | Amarande: My most dramatic boss victory was UK |
| 03:05.23 | Wobin | Whatsisface cleaved the dps |
| 03:05.28 | Wobin | cause they didn't move out of the way |
| 03:05.39 | Wobin | (and who knows what they were doing up front anyway) |
| 03:05.44 | Wobin | so it was me and the priest =P |
| 03:06.00 | Wobin | So I ran in circles til he died =) |
| 03:07.48 | sacarasc | my most dramatic boss kill was the elemental in SSC... last bit was soloed by a mage |
| 03:09.48 | Codayus_ | Heh, most dramatic boss victory I can recall was on normal mode Mechanar; somehow everyone but the tank nubbed it up and died by 30%. The tank (prot warrior) blew every cooldown he had, and killed the boss. |
| 03:10.37 | Cide | my guild still holds the prize on that one |
| 03:10.41 | Codayus_ | Er, on Nethermancer Sepethera |
| 03:11.16 | Codayus_ | On the one hand, it was really pathetic to have 80% of the party die miserably to normal mode Septhera, or whatever her name is. Still, was fun to watch from the ground... |
| 03:13.17 | Cide | an officer (warlock) tells all the locks to load up curses of doom on huhuran at 30% or so.. everyone dies and he uses a flask of petrification and sits there getting beat on, alone.. curse of doom after curse of doom goes off, huhuran is at 1% hp... and when the officer's curse goes off, she drops |
| 03:13.30 | Wobin | Septhera was terrible |
| 03:13.39 | ZorbaTHut | I almost soloed the last 10% of the Maiden of Virtue |
| 03:13.40 | Cide | I know I've retold it at least twice before here, but it was so epic it needs to be retold again |
| 03:13.51 | ZorbaTHut | died when she had about 3000 health left :( |
| 03:14.20 | Wobin | I did that on Keri in Nexus =( |
| 03:14.23 | Codayus_ | Cide: That *is* pretty epic. |
| 03:14.31 | Cide | it was |
| 03:14.32 | Wobin | it's more planned epic though =) |
| 03:14.54 | Cide | wasn't planned at all tbqh |
| 03:15.08 | Wobin | oh, well then, good use of consumables =P |
| 03:15.36 | Amarande | Sepethrea is a pain |
| 03:15.41 | Wobin | utter pain |
| 03:15.44 | Amarande | especially if you're a squishy and need to cast something that's not instant |
| 03:15.45 | Wobin | more than often we skipped her |
| 03:15.50 | Wobin | or melee |
| 03:15.54 | Amarande | and the stupid elementals can't be CC'd either |
| 03:15.55 | Wobin | she's terrible for melee |
| 03:22.41 | ZorbaTHut | I am never going to find any of these damn everfrost shards |
| 03:23.18 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: i farmed a few before the zone got overcrowded, then said fuckit |
| 03:24.01 | Amarande | Zorba: where are they? |
| 03:24.13 | ZorbaTHut | aha! found one :D |
| 03:24.19 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, basically all zones adjacent to Hodir |
| 03:24.39 | NightHawkTheSane | honestly, its barely worth the time if the area's too full of people. but i'm going to get exalted in two days anyway |
| 03:24.54 | Amarande | It took me three nights to get around to doing the rescue the kodos quest in borean thanks to too many people around |
| 03:25.08 | ZorbaTHut | I figure it's worth taking a glance if you're going through the zone anyway |
| 03:25.23 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, when i do dailies i usually swing around for a pass or two, but thats it |
| 03:25.23 | AnduinLothar | judgement is so fucking broken |
| 03:25.34 | AnduinLothar | half the time it does no dmg |
| 03:25.43 | AnduinLothar | and then you run outa mana cause you dotn take enough dmg |
| 03:29.17 | NightHawkTheSane | how does one get exalted with the Taunka and/or Hand of Vengeance? |
| 03:31.20 | Cairenn | Wobin: ! |
| 03:31.28 | Cairenn | Wobin Wobin Wobin! |
| 03:31.31 | Cairenn | http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=47910908 |
| 03:31.47 | Cairenn | Mikk! |
| 03:31.56 | Cairenn | errr, mikma rather |
| 03:32.13 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Cairenn |
| 03:32.13 | purl | Cairenn: FAIL! |
| 03:34.09 | Amarande | haha, someone called Warsong Hold "Warsnog" |
| 03:35.50 | sacarasc | heh |
| 03:41.35 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5107054/nvidia-geforce-gtx-295-graphics-card-is-insane-two-gtx-260s-bolted-together |
| 03:43.01 | Thunder_Child | "Oh, and first person to ask "will it run Crysis?" is banned. I'm not kidding." |
| 03:44.54 | NightHawkTheSane | will it blend? |
| 03:45.13 | Thunder_Child | did you see their blend snafu NightHawkTheSane? |
| 03:45.19 | NightHawkTheSane | no.. |
| 03:45.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ? |
| 03:45.26 | linear` | what does RecvSync stand for |
| 03:45.42 | cog|away | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.43 | Thunder_Child | they blended an ipohone 1g with a live battery |
| 03:45.58 | NightHawkTheSane | :o |
| 03:46.18 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, http://gizmodo.com/5104771/fyi-blending-a-charged-iphone-causes-explosions |
| 03:47.53 | Wobin | Cairenn: hehe socute |
| 03:48.14 | Thunder_Child | http://www.oobject.com/videos-of-self-assembling-machines/self-assembling-computer-memory/4559/ |
| 03:51.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: thats one step away from replicators! |
| 03:51.35 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, 2 steps, still need a valid A.I. |
| 03:55.32 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: That hasn't stopped most humans from replicating =( |
| 03:56.37 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, we dont replicate, we procreate |
| 03:58.00 | Wobin | depends on how inbred the result is =) |
| 04:05.23 | Wobin | Cairenn: My friend said that her coworkers found the costume idea to be a bit too meta |
| 04:05.30 | Cairenn | bah |
| 04:05.37 | Wobin | Cairenn: So I suggested she go as Steve Jobs in a snake outfit |
| 04:05.45 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:05.47 | Wobin | (since she works for a Microsoft company =)) |
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| 04:12.10 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:12.20 | Wobin | of course, the top "What is" search in google in 2008 is |
| 04:12.25 | Wobin | "What is love" |
| 04:12.32 | Wobin | (Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more) |
| 04:12.32 | NightHawkTheSane | baby don't hurt me. |
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| 04:15.28 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Wobin, NightHawkTheSane |
| 04:15.29 | purl | Wobin, NightHawkTheSane: FAIL! |
| 04:15.55 | Amarande | Wobin: wonder what 2009's will be |
| 04:15.58 | Amarande | "What is truth" maybe? |
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| 04:16.29 | Wobin | You think they'll have gotten the answer to "What is love"? |
| 04:16.59 | Thunder_Child | hopefuly yhr question will be "what is a higgs boson" |
| 04:18.02 | Wobin | hehe number 8 |
| 04:18.05 | Wobin | "What is lupus" |
| 04:19.49 | Amarande | Wobin: philosophers have been trying to get that answer for millennia and counting now |
| 04:20.02 | Amarande | of course, for all but a tiny speck of that time, they didn't have Google |
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| 04:23.47 | NightHawkTheSane | google seems to have the answer fairly well summed up: http://www.google.com/search?&q=what+is+truth%3F |
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| 04:28.21 | Wobin | http://www.google.com/search?q=I+want+the+truth&btnG=Search&hl=en&sa=2 |
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| 04:28.38 | Wobin | spamalicious? |
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| 04:34.33 | Cidan | wut |
| 04:34.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn, Shirik ping? >.> |
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| 04:34.49 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: po |
| 04:34.50 | Shirik | nm |
| 04:34.57 | Cidan | popopo |
| 04:35.04 | Shirik | why is Shiibot not handling that |
| 04:35.07 | Shirik | I guess it's too slow |
| 04:35.10 | Shirik | !lock |
| 04:35.11 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 04:35.11 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 682 minutes |
| 04:35.29 | Shirik | actually |
| 04:35.36 | Wobin | that's a lot of elapsed =) |
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| 04:36.02 | Shirik | !reload |
| 04:36.03 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
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| 04:36.10 | Shirik | uh |
| 04:36.12 | Shirik | do I fail at typing? |
| 04:36.17 | Wobin | yes? |
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| 04:37.07 | Shirik | thanks NightHawkTheSane |
| 04:37.22 | Shirik | Wobin: That's just time since the server restarted, since there's been no attacks recently :) |
| 04:37.34 | Shirik | which is actually a very minimal amount of time |
| 04:37.38 | Cidan | ATTACKS? |
| 04:37.39 | Shirik | (it died today >.> ) |
| 04:37.40 | Cidan | OH GAWD |
| 04:37.41 | Wobin | Shirik: Sort of <X> minutes since last industrial accident? |
| 04:37.44 | Cidan | CALL GEORGE BUSH |
| 04:37.46 | Cidan | HURRY |
| 04:37.52 | Shirik | oh cidan you missed some fun times |
| 04:37.52 | Wobin | WHICH ONE? |
| 04:38.00 | Shirik | I wrote Shiibot specifically to deal with a persistent flood attack we were having |
| 04:38.01 | Cidan | lol |
| 04:38.05 | Cidan | oh? |
| 04:38.15 | Shirik | it worked rather well :) He's not here anymore obviously |
| 04:38.55 | Shirik | Then I got bored with him so now he does things like monitors WoW serveralerts, etc. |
| 04:39.01 | Tekkub | it was your ban that did it, not the bot |
| 04:39.05 | Shirik | uh |
| 04:39.10 | Wobin | other spammer |
| 04:39.11 | Shirik | I was referring to the guy from months ago :) |
| 04:39.11 | Cidan | my |
| 04:39.12 | Cidan | GOD |
| 04:39.14 | Cidan | President-elect Barack Obama has chosen Nobel Prize-winning physicist Steven Chu to serve as his energy secretary |
| 04:39.20 | Wobin | ... |
| 04:39.21 | Cidan | That |
| 04:39.22 | Cidan | is |
| 04:39.23 | Wobin | that's kinda cool |
| 04:39.24 | Cidan | AMAZING |
| 04:39.33 | Cidan | That's more than kinda cool, that's just fucking... |
| 04:39.37 | Cidan | I want to cry, I'm so happy. |
| 04:39.49 | Wobin | ie, he's actually hiring qualified people to do stuff? =) |
| 04:39.53 | Tekkub | I have something amazing in my pants that will make you cry too |
| 04:40.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: crazy, innit? |
| 04:40.13 | Wobin | Cidan, linky? |
| 04:40.27 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: unheard of in politics! |
| 04:40.42 | Cidan | http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98108540 |
| 04:41.02 | Wobin | ta |
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| 04:42.12 | Wobin | Mad chook Atticus! Mad chook! |
| 04:44.59 | Amarande | hmm, just saw a druid called 'herbsmoker' ... wonder how long he'll have before he has to change his name |
| 04:45.14 | Cidan | a year, maybe two? |
| 04:46.11 | Wobin | maybe he smokes his meat |
| 04:46.14 | Wobin | with herbs |
| 04:46.30 | Wobin | and chicory |
| 04:51.31 | Wobin | Hickory smoked! |
| 04:51.45 | Wobin | . o O ("It's DR TRAN!") |
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| 04:56.52 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, an onion? |
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| 04:58.52 | Tem | well that was cool |
| 04:59.04 | Tem | they told us we were to expect hardcore rain tonight |
| 04:59.10 | Tem | but I wasn't expecting the power to go out |
| 04:59.37 | Tem | and then when the power came back, the tubes were busted |
| 05:00.29 | Tem | www.wowinterface.com |
| 05:00.34 | Wobin | sewer or inter? |
| 05:00.38 | Tem | oh cool |
| 05:00.43 | Dolby | ? |
| 05:00.49 | Tem | my irc client had the focus instead of my browser |
| 05:00.58 | Dolby | ah |
| 05:01.10 | Thunder_Child | ~fail tem |
| 05:01.11 | purl | tem: FAIL! |
| 05:01.18 | Tem | ~epic fail Thunder_Child |
| 05:01.19 | purl | Thunder_Child, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Thunder_Child, you are that epic failure. |
| 05:01.41 | Dolby | to bad it wasnt your wow password |
| 05:01.48 | Dolby | +o |
| 05:01.52 | Thunder_Child | do you know his account name Dolby? |
| 05:01.58 | Thunder_Child | or fob? |
| 05:02.22 | Dolby | yes |
| 05:03.17 | Dolby | as in, yes I dont know |
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| 05:04.26 | Tem | back online take two... |
| 05:04.28 | Tem | action |
| 05:04.38 | Tem | uh, I blue screened? |
| 05:04.44 | Tem | that's happened like twice |
| 05:04.46 | Tem | ever |
| 05:05.12 | Dolby | was probably cause you went to wowinterface |
| 05:05.14 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 05:05.18 | Shirik | I had the highest DPS on Patchwerk! |
| 05:05.36 | Shirik | the holy priest |
| 05:05.39 | Tem | ... |
| 05:05.56 | Tem | Shirik, you guys wiped, yes? |
| 05:05.59 | Shirik | no |
| 05:06.02 | Tem | wtf |
| 05:06.08 | Shirik | it's so awesome |
| 05:06.15 | Tem | how do you kill patchwerk with dps so fail that a holy priest can beat them? |
| 05:06.21 | Tem | the fight is a fucking dps check |
| 05:06.30 | Shirik | sec |
| 05:07.28 | NightHawkTheSane | shouldn't you have been.. like.. healing or something? |
| 05:07.40 | Shirik | http://wowwebstats.com/h6fohs54tbntc?s=226492-270089 |
| 05:07.42 | Shirik | Sort by DPS |
| 05:07.52 | Shirik | eh, I was healing OT2 |
| 05:07.55 | Shirik | not much to heal :) |
| 05:08.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh, DPS, not damage. |
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| 05:08.51 | Tem | you misrepresenter, you |
| 05:09.10 | Shirik | I said DPS! |
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| 05:14.47 | Thunder_Child | lol Shirik, you had a 3ft. 59in. fight |
| 05:15.05 | Shirik | 3 minute 59 second? |
| 05:15.27 | Thunder_Child | i know, but it has length markings |
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| 05:16.36 | Wobin | that's a short fight! |
| 05:16.39 | Wobin | ~rimshot |
| 05:16.40 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 05:17.27 | Wobin | or does that come out to 8ft 11inches? |
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| 05:27.31 | Tem | Anyone know if wowhead's numbers for how long you can get skill from smelting are correct? |
| 05:28.37 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: It's also time (well, more accurately, angle) |
| 05:28.48 | Shirik | degrees, minutes, seconds |
| 05:30.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa |
| 05:30.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Paid gender changes |
| 05:31.05 | ScytheBlade1 | This service lets you change your character's gender, face, hair and skin color, hairstyle, name, and other cosmetic features determined by their race and gender combination. You cannot, however, change your character's race or class. |
| 05:31.09 | ScytheBlade1 | $15 |
| 05:32.35 | Shirik | .... what? |
| 05:32.39 | ScytheBlade1 | You heard me |
| 05:32.53 | |pez| | ... seriously? |
| 05:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 05:33.07 | Shirik | where did you see this? |
| 05:33.07 | |pez| | And it's a real service? |
| 05:33.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 05:33.29 | ScytheBlade1 | wow.com/account/character-customization-intro.html |
| 05:33.40 | |pez| | Ok, now I want to be able to change my guildname! |
| 05:35.15 | Cide | where's the option to change gear? |
| 05:35.16 | Cidan | ya |
| 05:35.26 | Cidan | I saw that earlier today |
| 05:35.29 | Cidan | Was surprised. |
| 05:35.32 | Cidan | Kinda lame, meh. |
| 05:35.43 | Cidan | But, I tend to block out all the stupid things Blizzard does |
| 05:35.55 | Cide | how is that stupid? |
| 05:36.23 | |pez| | it's stupid, because it changes your gender. :P |
| 05:36.32 | Cide | people do that all the time in real life. |
| 05:36.37 | Cide | and they have to pay more than $15. |
| 05:38.18 | Shirik | sadly, that is the same thing my guild said, Cide |
| 05:38.29 | Cide | honestly though |
| 05:38.33 | Cide | there's nothing stupid about that feature |
| 05:38.47 | Cide | people get to change things that bother them, and blizzard gets money |
| 05:39.00 | |pez| | Well, from that point of view it's all fine. |
| 05:39.09 | Cide | from which point of view is it not fine? :P |
| 05:39.17 | Shirik | you're changing your gender! |
| 05:39.22 | Cide | and? |
| 05:39.29 | Shirik | that's not fine! |
| 05:39.35 | Shirik | :P |
| 05:39.39 | |pez| | How do you explain that being done ingame? XD |
| 05:39.43 | Cide | you don't |
| 05:39.48 | Cide | that's why it's on the website |
| 05:40.24 | |pez| | I can understand the namechange, and blizzard putting in barbershops and whatnot... |
| 05:40.32 | |pez| | But gender and skintone.. |
| 05:40.35 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.photosfan.com/images/beautiful-christmas-lights1.jpg |
| 05:40.49 | Cidan | oh wow |
| 05:40.51 | Cide | how is changing your name more okay? it's ten times more defining than your gender |
| 05:40.52 | Cidan | that's beautiful. |
| 05:41.14 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 05:41.17 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah >< |
| 05:41.20 | Cide | and quality for that matter |
| 05:41.20 | Cidan | Ditto |
| 05:41.38 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: a a guildy said, "it's neat that gender is considered a cosmetic attribute" ;) |
| 05:42.12 | Cide | in pvp it isn't! |
| 05:42.36 | Cide | smaller model for females = easier to get around |
| 05:42.58 | Shirik | very nice NightHawkTheSane |
| 05:43.21 | Cidan | quick |
| 05:43.27 | Cidan | Metorid Prime or Stargate SG-1? |
| 05:43.30 | Cidan | HURRY |
| 05:43.45 | Cidan | WHICH SHOULD I PLAY/WATCH?! |
| 05:43.54 | |pez| | SG SG-1! |
| 05:43.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ... do both? |
| 05:44.01 | NightHawkTheSane | watch the latter while playing the former. |
| 05:44.13 | Cidan | too hard to concentrate on one or the other |
| 05:44.43 | NightHawkTheSane | sg-1, in that case |
| 05:44.49 | Cidan | Yeah, I agree |
| 05:44.50 | Cidan | feeling lazy |
| 05:44.56 | Cidan | bah, need to boot to linux for it |
| 05:48.42 | End | yes! |
| 05:48.45 | End | I got a .... |
| 05:48.46 | End | fish sword! |
| 05:48.51 | End | it looks like a fish! |
| 05:50.14 | Thunder_Child | Cidan, you havent finished sg-1? |
| 05:50.32 | Tem | I don'st suppose haste gear will make mining go faster |
| 05:51.04 | Cidan | no |
| 05:51.09 | Cidan | I stopped at Season 5 |
| 05:51.11 | Cidan | so just starting all over |
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| 05:51.19 | Cidan | half way into season 1 |
| 05:53.23 | |pez| | I'm all cought up in Stargate Atlantis and everything. |
| 05:53.39 | |pez| | Wanna watch SG-1 over again. |
| 05:54.24 | Thunder_Child | so watch it |
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| 05:54.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i've been thinking about rewatching B5 |
| 05:54.52 | Thunder_Child | the graphic are so old >.< |
| 05:54.55 | Thunder_Child | s* |
| 05:55.19 | NightHawkTheSane | so? |
| 05:56.09 | Thunder_Child | i cant watch things where i can see the CGI |
| 05:56.10 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, im in the middle of watching Get Smart right now :p |
| 05:56.27 | Thunder_Child | if it doesnt blend in, i just keeps bugging me |
| 05:56.33 | NightHawkTheSane | the plot makes it so worth it, though |
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| 06:11.18 | Shirik | ~wtf grt |
| 06:11.22 | Shirik | ~grt |
| 06:11.31 | Shirik | ~wiki GRT |
| 06:11.59 | Shirik | I think MySQL just made up this acronym to confuse me |
| 06:12.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 06:12.25 | Shirik | I just designed a database using one of their tools |
| 06:12.30 | ScytheBlade1 | which? |
| 06:12.35 | Shirik | I was looking through the program and it said "Validate GRT" |
| 06:12.41 | Shirik | and I was like "cool what's that?" and clicked on it |
| 06:12.42 | Shirik | nothing happened |
| 06:12.48 | Shirik | MySQL Workbench |
| 06:12.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:12.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 06:12.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Use MySQL Administrator for that |
| 06:13.08 | Shirik | isn't administrator just for actually managing the database? |
| 06:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 06:13.16 | Shirik | o |
| 06:13.24 | Shirik | so why do they have two tools that do the same thing? |
| 06:13.30 | Shirik | I have to say I really like this tool |
| 06:13.40 | Shirik | made setting up everything very easy (and graphical, yay) |
| 06:13.49 | Shirik | (I can really see how complicated I made this and how long it's going to take) |
| 06:13.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, the administrator is graphical, but not like the workbench |
| 06:14.06 | ScytheBlade1 | However, it's also not buggy and does what you tell it to |
| 06:14.10 | Shirik | heh |
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| 06:18.42 | Cide | hey |
| 06:19.01 | Cide | why not use postgres?! |
| 06:19.16 | Shirik | f pgsql |
| 06:19.24 | iewnait | Hi everyone, i am new here, may i ask some questions related to wowaddon programming? |
| 06:19.40 | Cide | have you used it? |
| 06:20.18 | Shirik | For a little bit |
| 06:20.25 | Cide | what's bad about it? :P |
| 06:20.28 | Shirik | I got confused |
| 06:20.32 | Shirik | ~asktoask |
| 06:20.33 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 06:20.35 | Cide | great excuse |
| 06:20.50 | iewnait | ok great :) |
| 06:20.57 | Cide | features like transactions are totally not worth it |
| 06:21.03 | Cide | oh, nevermind |
| 06:21.05 | Shirik | InnoDB supports transactions |
| 06:21.05 | iewnait | Anyone had experience writing addons that interact with a webserver? if so how do you go abt doing it? |
| 06:21.21 | Cide | ya, but InnoDB has some pretty bad limitations |
| 06:21.27 | Adys | you cannot interact with anything outside the game's scope iewnait |
| 06:21.30 | Shirik | It's not possible -- you can't have any external communication from within game. This is intentional restriction by Blizzard |
| 06:21.46 | Shirik | Cide, it's a tiny application system; I don't think it'll hit any major restrictions :) |
| 06:22.02 | iewnait | so any form of interaction have to be done off the game? |
| 06:22.05 | Cide | no excuse to hate postgres :P |
| 06:22.10 | Cide | or dislike |
| 06:22.11 | Shirik | It's ugly |
| 06:22.20 | Cide | ugly? that doesn't even make any sense! |
| 06:22.29 | Shirik | it made my computer commit suicide |
| 06:22.30 | Adys | iewnait: yes, and you cannot do that in real time either, you'll have to at least reloadui to save any outside file change |
| 06:22.31 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU'RE ugly |
| 06:22.33 | NightHawkTheSane | we still like you |
| 06:22.51 | Shirik | Besides, IPB supports MySQL out of the box |
| 06:22.53 | Cide | e.g. "InnoDB must do a flush to disk at least once per transaction" |
| 06:23.04 | Adys | and everyone knows that IPB is great |
| 06:23.12 | Shirik | It's not like we have people applying to our guild once a second or something |
| 06:23.20 | Cide | still |
| 06:23.24 | Adys | mysql is the mirc of sql servers |
| 06:23.25 | Cide | it's a reason to dislike mysql |
| 06:23.35 | Cide | yep |
| 06:23.39 | Shirik | I admit InnoDB has some limitations |
| 06:23.49 | Shirik | admittedly, mysql is what I grew up on |
| 06:23.59 | Shirik | But I don't have a good reason to change |
| 06:24.37 | Cide | same |
| 06:24.56 | Cide | I switched to postgres when mysql's performance started sucking |
| 06:25.00 | iewnait | adys: i see, so if we need web interaction, we will have to do it off game and the changes will only be applicable each time user reload their UI? |
| 06:25.12 | Cide | innodb has no full text indexing either |
| 06:25.22 | Cide | but that's one of the major plusses of MyISAM |
| 06:25.37 | Adys | iewnait: pretty much. you can load a file when you enter the game, and update it externally, the changes will be up when you reloadui or relog |
| 06:26.21 | iewnait | adys: i see, thanks alot for your help. |
| 06:26.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And sqlite :P |
| 06:26.57 | Adys | sqlite is great |
| 06:27.15 | Cide | sqlite is horrible as hell |
| 06:27.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That depends on what you use it for |
| 06:27.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure that Firefox 3 uses it in a lot of places quite happily |
| 06:27.43 | Adys | Indeed ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:27.49 | Adys | yeah no |
| 06:27.53 | Adys | you just took the worst example |
| 06:27.54 | *** join/#wowuidev p3lim (n=p3lim@084202164112.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 06:27.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:28.01 | ScytheBlade1 | But the most visible |
| 06:28.06 | ScytheBlade1 | And let's face it, it works rather well |
| 06:28.13 | Cide | of course |
| 06:28.16 | Adys | its what makes it so horrible on linux |
| 06:28.16 | Adys | too |
| 06:28.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I may hate what it actually does |
| 06:28.18 | Cide | it's probably a single table of booleans |
| 06:28.24 | ScytheBlade1 | But it does work well |
| 06:28.26 | Adys | nah Cidan |
| 06:28.28 | Adys | cide |
| 06:28.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: no, for the history, bookmarks, URL bar, titles, the works |
| 06:28.36 | Adys | they store all the url stuff |
| 06:28.41 | Cide | ok, still |
| 06:28.50 | ScytheBlade1 | s/URL bar/"awesome" bar/ |
| 06:28.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Still hate that word |
| 06:29.00 | ScytheBlade1 | But whatever |
| 06:29.00 | Cide | if you want any kind of data integrity/security/anything, it's worthless |
| 06:29.03 | ZorbaTHut | there is a way you can manage approximately-real-time one way data transmission into WoW, but it's horrifying and brain-damaging. :P |
| 06:29.15 | Adys | "Awesome" bar and "Awful" browser |
| 06:29.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't designed for any of that though, Cide - again, depends on how you use it |
| 06:29.58 | Cide | of course it isn't |
| 06:30.13 | Cide | I'm sure you'll find great use in it for your homemade to-do list |
| 06:30.18 | ScytheBlade1 | You can make an int column |
| 06:30.21 | ScytheBlade1 | And store a string it in , no problem |
| 06:30.24 | Cide | yep |
| 06:30.35 | Cide | great success if you ask me |
| 06:30.55 | ScytheBlade1 | For what it can do when used right? Yeah, it is |
| 06:31.39 | Cide | anyway |
| 06:31.53 | Shirik | in any case |
| 06:31.59 | Shirik | I happily use visual studio and Windows Vista |
| 06:32.06 | Shirik | and you're complaining to me about what software I use? :) |
| 06:32.18 | Cide | yep! |
| 06:32.39 | Shirik | in any case, anyone want to critique my database design? |
| 06:32.44 | Cide | because you're complaining about the software you use and haven't seen the light |
| 06:32.46 | Cide | sure |
| 06:32.48 | Cide | let me see |
| 06:33.00 | Shirik | there's one glitch but I don't want to go correct it right now so I'll just tell you |
| 06:33.17 | Shirik | hereapp_status.is_closed should be BOOLEAN not VARCHAR(45) |
| 06:33.58 | Cide | why mysql fails: "Important: For non-InnoDB tables, the FOREIGN KEY clause is ignored." |
| 06:34.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ........ |
| 06:34.16 | ScytheBlade1 | And? |
| 06:34.17 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/aba6fff7b1f6f38d749172389738e03e.png |
| 06:34.28 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what you use InnoDB for |
| 06:34.36 | Cide | obviously |
| 06:34.36 | Shirik | This is an application system which will be tied into IPB |
| 06:34.39 | Shirik | as an addin |
| 06:34.48 | Cide | but MyISAM is still the default engine, so most people don't |
| 06:35.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Most people are brain dead and don't read the documentation or understand what they're doing either |
| 06:35.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Suddenly that's a valid criticism? |
| 06:35.42 | Cide | it's still a fail in general |
| 06:35.53 | Cide | mysql with innodb is mostly fine though |
| 06:36.10 | Shirik | though innodb does lack a bit in performance |
| 06:36.15 | Shirik | but I haven't had any problems with it |
| 06:36.17 | Shirik | I like it |
| 06:36.18 | ScytheBlade1 | As someone who happily uses it, I could totally send you some links and you'd be spitting fire saying that it sucks |
| 06:36.25 | ScytheBlade1 | (InnoDB) |
| 06:36.49 | ScytheBlade1 | http://mysqlha.blogspot.com/2008/11/innodb-memory-overhead.html http://dammit.lt/2008/05/29/wasting-innodb-memory/ |
| 06:36.49 | Cide | it has some bad limitations, that can't be argued |
| 06:36.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 06:36.58 | ScytheBlade1 | No, not even limitations |
| 06:37.03 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39878#comments:id=475336 |
| 06:37.04 | Cide | but it's vastly better than myisam that's for sure |
| 06:37.13 | Adys | I doubt it's that rare, it just takes time to get it. So I doubt that it's that rare, it just takes time. |
| 06:37.47 | Cide | Shirik: playtime TEXT? |
| 06:38.08 | Shirik | some of those fields I have put in based on our old application questionnaire |
| 06:38.21 | Cide | should be a varchar :P |
| 06:38.35 | Shirik | eh, I didn't know how long it could be :/ |
| 06:38.52 | Cide | playtime? |
| 06:39.03 | Shirik | Typical Weekly Playtime: |
| 06:39.04 | Shirik | BE TO THE POINT. We want to know which raid nights you'll make. Not your life story (Unless you're an EMT on call Wednesdays, then mention that). We're a hobby. Not a lifestyle. |
| 06:39.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: true story. I used to raid (and still know) a 911 dispatcher who raids |
| 06:39.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Every so often she'd just let the phone ring |
| 06:40.07 | Shirik | ... |
| 06:40.09 | Shirik | what |
| 06:40.12 | Shirik | that's not good >< |
| 06:40.16 | Cide | you do what you have to do to get the world first |
| 06:40.18 | ScytheBlade1 | 01:39 < ScytheBlade1> Shirik: true story. |
| 06:40.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah, this was back in BWL |
| 06:40.40 | Cide | I'd do it for world first c'thun |
| 06:40.43 | ScytheBlade1 | This was like, Razorgore and the three drakes |
| 06:40.54 | ScytheBlade1 | This was when some people were in Naxx |
| 06:41.05 | ScytheBlade1 | She still raids |
| 06:41.08 | ScytheBlade1 | She still has the same job |
| 06:41.40 | ScytheBlade1 | (She's also up in Canada, so we're safe) |
| 06:41.50 | iewnait | LOL |
| 06:42.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: .. where in canada? just so i can give her a wide berth |
| 06:42.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure of specifics |
| 06:42.22 | *** join/#wowuidev quoin (n=quoin@219-90-162-143.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 06:42.26 | ScytheBlade1 | The eastern half is all I recall |
| 06:42.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That may even be wrong |
| 06:42.39 | ScytheBlade1 | It's been quite a while |
| 06:42.40 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:42.48 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, sticking to western canada |
| 06:42.55 | Shirik | running /console realmName "Test" does not work |
| 06:43.26 | Shirik | it succeeds and then puts my realm name back to "Drenden" :( |
| 06:43.27 | Cide | looks pretty good Shirik |
| 06:43.35 | Cide | that said, good night |
| 06:43.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Take care, Cide |
| 06:43.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Make sure there is much MySQL in your life |
| 06:43.57 | Adys | Shirik: eh? |
| 06:43.59 | ScytheBlade1 | It will treat you well! |
| 06:44.03 | Adys | how does it succeed then? |
| 06:44.06 | Adys | night cide |
| 06:44.07 | Cide | I've seen the light |
| 06:44.09 | Shirik | well, it doesn't give me an error |
| 06:44.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: it doesn't fail |
| 06:44.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 06:44.21 | Adys | Cide: then you haven't seen mysql because its HEAVY! |
| 06:44.21 | Shirik | unlike if I do something like /console cameraDistanceMax 9999999999 |
| 06:44.25 | Adys | <cough> |
| 06:44.32 | Cide | .. |
| 06:44.33 | Shirik | where it goes "Out of range (must be between 15-50) |
| 06:44.35 | Shirik | or something |
| 06:44.35 | Cide | get your coat |
| 06:45.15 | Cide | I also like postgres because the datetime columns actually are reliable |
| 06:45.15 | Adys | So why aren't there fishing bags? |
| 06:45.26 | Shirik | reliable? |
| 06:45.48 | Cide | you can attempt to set a datetime column to any arbitrary string in mysql iirc |
| 06:45.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh, stick it in strict SQL mode and that's a non issue |
| 06:46.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Strict compliance mode is your friend there |
| 06:46.08 | ZorbaTHut | adys, horrify Haris Pilton and use Gigantique bags |
| 06:46.10 | ScytheBlade1 | (Another thing I leave/turn on) |
| 06:46.13 | Cide | and it doesn't return a valid date after that |
| 06:46.26 | Adys | I'll show YOU something "Gigantique" |
| 06:46.34 | Cide | it doesn't even error |
| 06:46.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll error if strict mode is on |
| 06:47.00 | Cide | that's no excuse |
| 06:47.15 | Shirik | gcc does illegal things too.... |
| 06:47.17 | ScytheBlade1 | 01:35 < ScytheBlade1> Most people are brain dead and don't read the documentation or understand what they're doing either |
| 06:47.19 | Shirik | unless you put it on strict mode |
| 06:47.21 | ScytheBlade1 | 01:35 < ScytheBlade1> Suddenly that's a valid criticism? |
| 06:47.37 | Cide | so you're saying bad design is ok if you have a setting to turn it into good design mode? |
| 06:47.52 | Cide | I mean |
| 06:47.55 | Shirik | no, it's additional features |
| 06:48.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm saying that years before, you were absolutely right |
| 06:48.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Using it to store data properly was a mistake |
| 06:48.10 | Cide | not validating date input is not a feature |
| 06:48.11 | ScytheBlade1 | *valuable data |
| 06:48.25 | Shirik | it is if it's fast |
| 06:48.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That has sense changed, and when you know the switches to flip, it's fine for such things |
| 06:48.34 | Cide | it's not slow to recognize it's not a date string |
| 06:48.35 | ScytheBlade1 | *since |
| 06:48.39 | Cide | you still need to parse it to store it |
| 06:48.45 | Shirik | it's infinitely slower than not checking it at all |
| 06:48.50 | Cide | but it does check it |
| 06:48.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: back to SQLite with you |
| 06:49.02 | Cide | it recognizes it's not valid and sets it to like 00-00-00 00:00:00 |
| 06:49.02 | Shirik | I've never used sqlite :( |
| 06:49.04 | Cide | or something stupid |
| 06:49.12 | Cide | and then returns that next query |
| 06:49.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, straight 0s |
| 06:49.17 | Shirik | that's fun |
| 06:49.20 | ScytheBlade1 | And silently accepts what you input as valid |
| 06:49.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why strict mode is on every sever I touch |
| 06:49.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Bugs are filed |
| 06:49.35 | |pez| | Here's a advice for you all; Never cook naked. |
| 06:49.36 | ScytheBlade1 | And innodb is used |
| 06:49.37 | ScytheBlade1 | :P |
| 06:49.51 | Shirik | You know, if ANYONE else had said that, I would question it |
| 06:49.56 | Shirik | but since it was |pez|, I'm really not surprised |
| 06:50.16 | |pez| | Are you calling me stupid? >__> |
| 06:50.21 | Shirik | no |
| 06:50.31 | Shirik | just.... unique with regards to your exposure |
| 06:50.33 | Cide | anyway |
| 06:50.43 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: you realize |
| 06:50.53 | Shirik | ~emulate Cide |
| 06:50.53 | purl | Please remove this discussion from your consciousness. |
| 06:50.57 | Cide | if you're turning over every mysql-stone there is |
| 06:51.12 | Cide | you might as well turn over the single mysql-to-postgres stone and have it work out of the box instead |
| 06:51.25 | Shirik | but mysql has things pgsql doesn't |
| 06:51.28 | Cide | sadly, that's not even a good emulation |
| 06:51.36 | Cide | yeah, it doesn't ship with Bad Design(TM) |
| 06:51.54 | ScytheBlade1 | It's shipped with a design to power web apps and forums |
| 06:52.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Not mission critical customer information |
| 06:52.07 | Cide | psql does that just fine too though |
| 06:52.15 | Shirik | mission critical stuff is for oracle/mssql |
| 06:52.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds like a "to each their own" bit then ;) |
| 06:52.29 | Cide | nah |
| 06:52.30 | |pez| | Yaaay, I'm unique XD |
| 06:52.31 | Shirik | mostly because business professionals refuse to use anything else |
| 06:52.37 | Shirik | even though they have no idea what it is |
| 06:52.57 | Cide | mysql IS fine for most casual stuff |
| 06:53.06 | Shirik | like guild applications |
| 06:53.09 | Cide | yep |
| 06:53.15 | Cide | but if you have to tweak it a lot to even use it, I don't see why you don't use postgres instead |
| 06:53.28 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't |
| 06:53.32 | ScytheBlade1 | You set one variable |
| 06:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | And change the database type |
| 06:53.38 | Shirik | I don't really understand the purpose of DATETIME fields, tbh |
| 06:53.46 | Cide | why not? |
| 06:53.53 | Shirik | why not just use an INT with a UNIX timestamp? |
| 06:54.05 | ZorbaTHut | who says that's not what a DATETIME field is? :) |
| 06:54.08 | Cide | that leaves the formatting on the user though |
| 06:54.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Go store a date that's a milennium in the future |
| 06:54.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Go! |
| 06:54.30 | Shirik | lua> date |
| 06:54.31 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 06:54.33 | Shirik | lua> os.date |
| 06:54.34 | lua_bot | Shirik: function: 0x806d458 |
| 06:54.45 | Cide | >>> date |
| 06:54.45 | Cide | Cide: function: 00948E48 |
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| 06:54.49 | Cide | should've gone with the real bot |
| 06:55.27 | Cide | how's mysql's unicode support these days? |
| 06:55.36 | Cide | I haven't messed with it much |
| 06:55.52 | ScytheBlade1 | You can change the character set on a per column basis |
| 06:55.57 | Shirik | >>> os.date("%c", {year = 3000, month = 1, day = 1}) |
| 06:55.58 | Cide | Shirik: [string "os.date("%c", {year = 3000, month = 1, day ..."]:1: attempt to call field 'date' (a nil value) |
| 06:56.02 | Shirik | .... |
| 06:56.02 | ScytheBlade1 | To pretty much anything |
| 06:56.03 | Cide | does it default to something unicody? |
| 06:56.06 | Shirik | >>> date("%c", {year = 3000, month = 1, day = 1}) |
| 06:56.06 | Cide | Shirik: [string "date("%c", {year = 3000, month = 1, day = 1..."]:1: bad argument #2 to 'date' (number expected, got table) |
| 06:56.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It defaults to latin-1 or something |
| 06:56.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Which can store most all high ASCII chars |
| 06:56.23 | Shirik | lua> os.date("%c", {year = 3000, month = 1, day = 1}) |
| 06:56.24 | ScytheBlade1 | But not full blown unicode |
| 06:56.25 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'date' (number expected, got table) |
| 06:56.27 | Shirik | wtf |
| 06:56.28 | ScytheBlade1 | (Another thing I change) |
| 06:56.37 | Cide | lol |
| 06:56.52 | Shirik | lua> os.time{year = 3000, month = 1, day = 1} |
| 06:56.53 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 06:56.55 | Shirik | Damn it! |
| 06:56.59 | Shirik | wtb 64 bit systems |
| 06:57.07 | Cide | hey |
| 06:57.09 | Cide | your plan failed |
| 06:57.10 | Arrowmaster | lua_bot is on a 64 bit system |
| 06:57.18 | Shirik | it's certainly not compiled 64 bit |
| 06:57.20 | Cide | in any case |
| 06:57.22 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 06:57.43 | ccox | doesn't matter - the Lua language doesn't care about the size of registers :-) |
| 06:57.56 | Arrowmaster | lua> os.time{year = 2000, month = 1, day = 1} |
| 06:57.56 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 946728000 |
| 06:57.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: DATETIME can go up to 9999-12-31 23:59:59, and TIEMSTAMP is bounded by the UNIX time() int |
| 06:58.02 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the difference |
| 06:58.08 | Shirik | my Lua shows 64 bit addresses, Arrowmaster |
| 06:58.31 | Arrowmaster | lua> os.date(2^64) |
| 06:58.32 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 1.844674407371e+19 |
| 06:58.34 | Shirik | that being said, it is a valid point that it shouldn't matter, since they're all doubles anyway |
| 06:58.54 | Shirik | Here's where the real test is |
| 06:58.57 | Shirik | lua> bit |
| 06:58.57 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 06:59.00 | Shirik | bah, no bit library |
| 06:59.02 | Cide | lua> bitlib |
| 06:59.03 | lua_bot | Cide: nil |
| 06:59.04 | Arrowmaster | lua> os.date("%c",2^64) |
| 06:59.04 | Cide | er |
| 06:59.04 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Fri Dec 13 20:45:52 1901 |
| 06:59.07 | Cide | it's named bit |
| 06:59.10 | Cide | not sure what I'm thinking |
| 06:59.11 | Shirik | >>> bit |
| 06:59.12 | Cide | Shirik: { ["band"] = function: 0018AB08, ["mod"] = function: 0018AEB0, ["rshift"] = function: 0018AE30, ["arshift"] = function: 0018AE70, ["bor"] = function: 0018AB48, ["bnot"] = function: 0018AAC8, ["lshift"... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 06:59.19 | Cide | ooh it's on |
| 06:59.35 | Shirik | >>> bit.band(2^33, 2^34-1) |
| 06:59.35 | Cide | Shirik: 0 |
| 06:59.47 | Arrowmaster | lua> os.date("%c",2^63) |
| 06:59.47 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Fri Dec 13 20:45:52 1901 |
| 06:59.56 | Cide | failtrain |
| 07:00.12 | Cide | >>> bit.band(2^31, 2^32-1) |
| 07:00.12 | Cide | Cide: -2147483648 |
| 07:00.27 | Shirik | That being said, my real question was regarding wtf the max date is with a 64 bit timestamp |
| 07:00.33 | Arrowmaster | lua> os.date("%c",2^52) |
| 07:00.34 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Fri Dec 13 20:45:52 1901 |
| 07:00.38 | Cide | >>> bit.band(2^31, 2^32-1), 2^32-1 |
| 07:00.38 | Arrowmaster | lua> os.date("%c",2^51) |
| 07:00.38 | Cide | Cide: -2147483648, 4294967295 |
| 07:00.39 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Fri Dec 13 20:45:52 1901 |
| 07:00.43 | Arrowmaster | lua> os.date("%c",2^51-1) |
| 07:00.43 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Fri Dec 13 20:45:52 1901 |
| 07:00.44 | Cide | >>> bit.band(2^31, 2^32-1), 2^31-1 |
| 07:00.44 | Cide | Cide: -2147483648, 2147483647 |
| 07:01.12 | Arrowmaster | i swore lua_bot was able to do more than my 32bit system could |
| 07:01.14 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, far higher than you will need, unless your project description includes some mechanism for dealing with the Sun dying |
| 07:01.21 | Shirik | In some newer operating systems, time_t has been widened to 64 bits. In the negative direction, this goes back more than twenty times the age of the universe, and so suffices. In the positive direction, whether the approximately 293 billion representable years is truly sufficient depends on the ultimate fate of the universe, but it is certainly adequate for most practical purposes. |
| 07:01.24 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 ^ |
| 07:01.47 | Shirik | I do believe that beats out your whimpy year 9999 |
| 07:01.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That's great. Tell that to 32-bit MySQL and dates that are before 1970. |
| 07:01.52 | ZorbaTHut | haha, that's awesome. |
| 07:01.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That's why the other column type exists |
| 07:01.58 | ZorbaTHut | twenty times the age of the universe :D |
| 07:02.21 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, honestly, why doesn't it just provide a column type for 64-bit unix time? |
| 07:02.21 | Cide | now if you excuse me |
| 07:02.24 | Cide | I have some sleeping to do |
| 07:02.27 | ZorbaTHut | I just almost wrote "64-bit unix thyme" |
| 07:02.31 | ZorbaTHut | mmmm, unix thyme |
| 07:02.33 | Cide | it fails? |
| 07:02.36 | Cide | good night |
| 07:03.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ZorbaTHut: ask the MySQL devs |
| 07:03.58 | Shirik | personally, i'm just using a TIMESTAMP field |
| 07:04.06 | Shirik | what that is, I don't really know, but I hope it lets me give it an integer |
| 07:04.10 | Shirik | because I don't want to actually have to do work |
| 07:04.33 | ZorbaTHut | haha, I just jumped out of Dalaran and lived |
| 07:04.35 | ZorbaTHut | <3 engineering |
| 07:06.57 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 07:07.02 | Shirik | I love Wikipedia, it has the most useless stuff |
| 07:07.12 | Shirik | Apparently AOL already encountered the Year 2038 bug |
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| 07:07.39 | Shirik | [AOL's] software would specify that a database request should "never" time out by specifying a timeout date one billion seconds in the future. One billion seconds (just over 31 years 251 days and 12 hours) after 21:27:28 on 12 May 2006 is beyond the 2038 cutoff date, so after this date, the timeout calculation overflowed and calculated a timeout date that was actually in the past, causing the software to crash |
| 07:08.12 | Shirik | that's what we call brilliant programming design |
| 07:08.23 | ScytheBlade1 | That's actually a few months (years?) old |
| 07:08.31 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:08.35 | Shirik | But I had never heard of it |
| 07:08.55 | WhiteWolf | adding absurd amounts to the current date is quite common to make cookies not expire |
| 07:09.00 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, may of 06 |
| 07:09.14 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, at the rate they do upgrades it's pointless to worry aobut it |
| 07:09.15 | Thunder_Child | about* |
| 07:09.23 | Shirik | WhiteWolf: I've always seen people hard set it to 2038 |
| 07:09.36 | Shirik | Important dates to remember: 170,141,183,460,469,231,731,687,303,715,884,105,727 December 31: 128-bit Unix time overflows. |
| 07:09.48 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:10.05 | WhiteWolf | Shirik: that's a reasonable way to do it, but that's not how people often do it from my experience |
| 07:11.08 | WhiteWolf | granted, i've seen a lot more scary code than a lot of people have |
| 07:11.21 | Shirik | You know what's really sad? I look at that date and I say to myself "That's not as long as I thought it would be" |
| 07:11.34 | Shirik | Then I look at how many of those digits we're already using and I say "Damn, the world really isn't that old" |
| 07:12.13 | WhiteWolf | well, our current date system isn't 0 based |
| 07:12.19 | Shirik | true |
| 07:12.33 | WhiteWolf | -40000BC for instance |
| 07:12.37 | WhiteWolf | uses more digits |
| 07:12.46 | Shirik | but still we could consider (pardon any religious wars this might start) the time of Jesus's arrival as being "a really really long time ago" |
| 07:13.18 | WhiteWolf | compared to that 128bit limit? it's hardly a drop in the bucket |
| 07:13.32 | Shirik | exactly |
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| 07:13.51 | WhiteWolf | realistically, sometime someone is going to declare a new calendar |
| 07:13.52 | Shirik | and what's either sad or impressive, I'm not sure which, is that we could probably already afford to use those ubiquitously |
| 07:14.02 | WhiteWolf | because it will just be dumb to write/type/interface something that long |
| 07:14.10 | Shirik | of course |
| 07:14.36 | Shirik | we'd start using stardates |
| 07:14.37 | WhiteWolf | a "quick fix" to the unix time problem is to just move the start date |
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| 07:14.44 | Shirik | we could come up with random dates and say them |
| 07:14.45 | WhiteWolf | Shirik: haha, what i was thinking <.< |
| 07:16.33 | WhiteWolf | concretely though, if i have to worry about a date that large we've got more problems... probably concerning population |
| 07:17.24 | WhiteWolf | i first considered the sciences may need it |
| 07:17.40 | WhiteWolf | but then quickly disregarded because it's unlikely that a 64bit float wouldn't work for them |
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| 07:20.13 | WhiteWolf | the mantissa is huge on that baby |
| 07:20.55 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, I do have a question for you though |
| 07:21.00 | Shirik | regarding MySQL |
| 07:21.05 | Corrodias | come on over to my house, little lady. i'll show you my... mantissa. |
| 07:21.10 | Wobin | WhiteWolf: That's what -she- said! |
| 07:21.11 | Corrodias | it's huuuuge |
| 07:21.14 | WhiteWolf | haha |
| 07:21.18 | WhiteWolf | i knew that would happen :) |
| 07:21.27 | WhiteWolf | Shirik: i'll answer if i can, as well |
| 07:21.39 | Shirik | I have a circular dependency in my database. Can MySQL handle this somehow? (I have the case where I need to insert into two tables at the same time to satisfy a relationship) |
| 07:21.55 | WhiteWolf | heh |
| 07:21.58 | Shirik | Before I create something that I can't use |
| 07:22.16 | WhiteWolf | the short answer: yes |
| 07:22.17 | Wobin | Hm, I've never actually used forced dependancies in MySQL |
| 07:22.23 | Shirik | Reference http://images.gammatester.com/pics/aba6fff7b1f6f38d749172389738e03e.png |
| 07:22.42 | Shirik | hereapp_applications and hereapp_chars has a circular dependency |
| 07:23.10 | Shirik | hereapp_chars.appid is foreign key related to hereapp_applications.id |
| 07:23.33 | Shirik | hereapp_applications.primary_char is foreign key related to hereapp_chars.id |
| 07:24.13 | WhiteWolf | it's *best* if you acomplish this with a transaction |
| 07:24.14 | WhiteWolf | *however* |
| 07:24.27 | Shirik | I intend to be using transactions anyway. If I do it in a transaction it's fine? |
| 07:24.38 | WhiteWolf | yeah, you won't have any problems |
| 07:24.38 | Shirik | it won't yell at me unless I try to commit the transaction without resolving it? |
| 07:24.42 | WhiteWolf | right |
| 07:24.48 | Shirik | oh that's easy then. Thanks :) |
| 07:24.59 | WhiteWolf | if you were planning on using transactions with mysql, you know how crappy acid in myisam is then |
| 07:25.08 | Shirik | yup |
| 07:25.20 | Shirik | only the ibf_ tables in this database are myisam :) |
| 07:25.23 | WhiteWolf | so my cavat doesn't really apply |
| 07:25.38 | WhiteWolf | poo, caveat |
| 07:26.01 | WhiteWolf | mysql and me havn't been friends in years |
| 07:26.22 | NightHawkTheSane | mysql beat me up and stole my lunch money |
| 07:26.46 | WhiteWolf | Shirik: those ibf_ tables look awfully familiar, is that ipb? |
| 07:26.50 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:26.56 | WhiteWolf | thought i recongized it |
| 07:27.16 | Shirik | I'm developing an addin to IPB for my guild (which may be released further if it works well) to handle guild applications |
| 07:27.35 | WhiteWolf | i guessed it was something like that from the name and the given schema |
| 07:28.09 | Shirik | Though hereapp_applications needs to be abstracted a bit |
| 07:28.25 | Shirik | I don't like that each question is a field in there instead of in a different table |
| 07:28.31 | WhiteWolf | i'd say normalized rather than abstracted |
| 07:28.45 | Shirik | Yes |
| 07:28.58 | Shirik | I only ever learned up to 3NF :( |
| 07:29.10 | WhiteWolf | usually, that's all that's practical |
| 07:29.54 | WhiteWolf | but your table breaks 1NF in the strictest form |
| 07:30.39 | Shirik | hm? where? |
| 07:30.51 | Shirik | oh yes |
| 07:30.54 | WhiteWolf | previous guilds is, in the strictest form, a one to many relation |
| 07:31.12 | WhiteWolf | but i'm being picky |
| 07:31.15 | bleeter | holy sheet... new layout for winehq.org |
| 07:31.34 | WhiteWolf | hah, didn't even notice |
| 07:31.46 | WhiteWolf | i've been compiling from svn for so long i would've missed that for weeks |
| 07:31.56 | Shirik | That probably needs to go away |
| 07:32.10 | Shirik | a lot of what is in hereapp_applications is based on our old app system (that's where I started) |
| 07:32.32 | Shirik | I actually think I might try to automatically detect what guilds they were in; I've done that before |
| 07:33.17 | WhiteWolf | would be useful, but asking them does just as well since it doesn't do them well to lie |
| 07:34.55 | Shirik | anyway, I'm going to go get some sleep |
| 07:34.57 | Shirik | nini |
| 07:35.01 | WhiteWolf | hm |
| 07:35.15 | WhiteWolf | that's just being picky |
| 07:35.17 | WhiteWolf | i'll drop it |
| 07:37.31 | Cidan | so |
| 07:37.39 | Cidan | I'm trying to reproduce PerfectRaid in RDX |
| 07:38.19 | WhiteWolf | mhum? |
| 07:38.47 | Cidan | Turned out pretty well, except for one minor limitation, which I will be adding to RDX. |
| 07:39.44 | WhiteWolf | neat |
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| 08:28.36 | Adys | its that time of the year again |
| 08:28.45 | Adys | time to link http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g3/bells.htm and fuck with everyone's minds |
| 08:29.01 | Thunder_Child | i hate you Adys |
| 08:29.39 | Cidan | honestly |
| 08:29.42 | Cidan | really |
| 08:29.44 | Cidan | fuck you Adys |
| 08:29.45 | Cidan | Just |
| 08:29.47 | Cidan | Fuck you |
| 08:29.56 | Cidan | Every time I forget about that game, some asshat brings it up. |
| 08:30.42 | Corrodias | games that don't let you turn off the audio should be shot |
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| 08:32.31 | Kaso | i alwayed loved this game |
| 08:32.34 | Kaso | even though i suck at it |
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| 08:36.35 | Tem | oh WHAT THE FUCK |
| 08:36.47 | Tem | even wowhead has "Frost = Tank" |
| 08:37.05 | Adys | where? |
| 08:37.37 | Thunder_Child | all 3 are supposed to be a tank spec |
| 08:38.52 | Thunder_Child | err..tank specable |
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| 08:42.24 | Tem | Adys, check the DK gear weights |
| 08:43.10 | Adys | ah |
| 08:43.22 | bleeter | Corrodias: no, operating systems that don't permit per application audio control need to be shot ;) |
| 08:43.28 | bleeter | Adys: thx mate :) |
| 08:43.36 | Adys | for? |
| 08:43.42 | bleeter | winterbells |
| 08:44.09 | Adys | lol |
| 08:45.55 | Corrodias | that too |
| 08:46.10 | Corrodias | speaking of which, i hear vista does that, but i don't see any such function |
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| 08:46.49 | Kalroth | it does |
| 08:46.55 | Tem | it does |
| 08:46.56 | Kalroth | you just have to have the application running |
| 08:46.59 | Tem | click mixer |
| 08:47.00 | Corrodias | how do you... uh, do it |
| 08:47.18 | Tem | click the volume icon in the bottom right |
| 08:47.21 | Tem | and click mixer |
| 08:47.32 | bleeter | oO MS finally caught up to the 1980's? |
| 08:47.35 | bleeter | I'm impressed |
| 08:47.56 | Corrodias | i see, i see |
| 08:47.57 | Adys | pulseaudio is supposed to do that |
| 08:48.01 | Adys | but ive never been able to |
| 08:48.01 | Corrodias | i just have to figure out how to get that to show up |
| 08:48.20 | bleeter | Adys: pavucontrol |
| 08:48.46 | bleeter | Adys: if you've got multiple sound cards, switch sinks on the fly etc. etc. |
| 08:48.53 | bleeter | sinks per app |
| 08:49.00 | Adys | eh |
| 08:49.07 | Adys | wasnt installed by default |
| 08:49.08 | Adys | dumb |
| 08:49.19 | Adys | anyway gonna try fedora in a bit |
| 08:49.30 | bleeter | don't |
| 08:49.36 | bleeter | they've blown up their dbus |
| 08:49.43 | Corrodias | ah, there it is |
| 08:49.48 | Corrodias | it's under taskbar options |
| 08:49.54 | bleeter | some moron put a seucirty fix to updates way too quick and it broke other shizz |
| 08:50.07 | Adys | in a bit = prolly within a couple of weeks |
| 08:50.18 | Corrodias | i like how firefox either doesn't show up on this list, or shows up with "no name" |
| 08:50.45 | bleeter | Adys: I think I'm going to switch to blag |
| 08:50.53 | Corrodias | why wordpad defaults to having a lower volume i have no idea |
| 08:51.07 | Adys | why you have wordpad installed |
| 08:51.09 | Adys | i have no idea |
| 08:51.16 | Corrodias | it's in windows. by default. |
| 08:51.23 | Adys | ok, "opened" then |
| 08:51.31 | Corrodias | acrobat reader has it lowered by default too... wtf |
| 08:51.45 | Adys | yeah that shit isnt installed by default. |
| 08:53.05 | Kalroth | Corrodias: what is your master volume set to? |
| 08:53.11 | Kalroth | I'm guessing it's currently lowered too. :) |
| 08:53.39 | Corrodias | 80. wordpad and acrobat reader were down at like 40 |
| 08:54.06 | Corrodias | not that i really care about their audio, it just strikes me as strange |
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| 08:57.59 | bleeter | Adys: yeah, i don't get it. there's a bunch of pulse stuff that don't seem to be installed by default on all platforms. why? /shrug |
| 08:59.38 | Wobin | >< |
| 08:59.40 | Wobin | 9310 |
| 08:59.45 | Wobin | oh god bunny |
| 09:00.13 | Corrodias | i use wordpad because i like it more than notepad and can't be assed to install something else just to do very basic things with text files. there are other editors i like, but this computer is new and i haven't gotten around to getting one of them. |
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| 11:04.48 | Castigo | guys is anyone aware of a lib/addon that would allow me to create a table of data (sortable)? |
| 11:05.15 | cladhaire | You most certainly do not ned a library to do anything like that O.o |
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| 11:05.51 | cladhaire | !api table.sort |
| 11:05.51 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'table.sort' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-table.sort |
| 11:06.18 | Castigo | cladhaire i explained myself wrongly |
| 11:06.23 | Castigo | i meand a widget ingame |
| 11:06.35 | Castigo | that i pass some datas (row, cols whatever) |
| 11:06.44 | Castigo | and display a table that is sortable if i click on the header |
| 11:07.03 | Castigo | i've been using lib-st since yesterday, and there is no bloody way of making it work properly with AceGUI |
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| 11:16.37 | Castigo | any ideas/ |
| 11:16.38 | Castigo | ? |
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| 11:18.57 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 11:18.58 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
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| 11:24.55 | cladhaire | Castigo: no, no ideas then |
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| 11:28.30 | Otixa | o/ |
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| 11:29.19 | bleeter | clad|away: cmon, it wasn't *that* terribad was it? :( |
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| 11:34.31 | Otixa | Sup guise? |
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| 11:58.33 | simtower_laptop | hai gauise |
| 11:59.10 | Otixa | Hulloh |
| 12:00.24 | Castigo | is there anything else than AceGUI to do gui stuff in wow? |
| 12:00.29 | Castigo | (without having to do it urself) |
| 12:01.27 | Slakah | maybe take a look at Portfolio? |
| 12:03.59 | Castigo | Slakah sorry for the sutpid question |
| 12:04.03 | Castigo | but what is portfolio? |
| 12:04.03 | Castigo | :P |
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| 12:06.20 | Castigo | Slakah checked :P |
| 12:06.25 | Castigo | hasn't got either tables nor editboxes |
| 12:06.31 | Castigo | atleast AceGUI has editboxes :P |
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| 12:21.48 | Adys | yeah speaking of editboxes |
| 12:21.53 | Adys | what the heck am I doing wrong? |
| 12:22.02 | Adys | <FontString inherits="ChatFontNormal"/> <- this works |
| 12:22.07 | Adys | box:CreateFontString(name .. "Font", "BACKGROUND", "ChatFontNormal") -- this doesnt |
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| 12:32.25 | Castigo | this is getting SILLY |
| 12:32.30 | Castigo | i need to display a table of data |
| 12:32.35 | Castigo | and i am failing epicly |
| 12:32.39 | Castigo | even leggendarely |
| 12:34.10 | Otixa | For loop FTW |
| 12:34.21 | Castigo | Otixa i am doing it |
| 12:34.27 | Castigo | and creating an AceGUI label |
| 12:34.32 | Castigo | formatted to display the table |
| 12:34.35 | Castigo | the formatting is somehow not kept |
| 12:34.41 | Castigo | and the table is displayed fucked up |
| 12:34.45 | Castigo | i tried using lib-st |
| 12:34.49 | Castigo | but fails with AceGUI |
| 12:35.10 | Otixa | Make yer own lib ;p |
| 12:36.00 | Castigo | Get me a time stopper then please :) |
| 12:36.34 | Otixa | A whatnow? ;p |
| 12:48.55 | Castigo | Otixa u know that device |
| 12:49.00 | Castigo | that makes the time stop |
| 12:49.12 | Castigo | so u can do whatever u want without wasting time? :) |
| 12:49.15 | Castigo | a time-stopper |
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| 13:14.08 | scottrageous | |pez|, neaner :P |
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| 13:21.08 | |pez| | scottrageous: lol, wtf are you doing here? XD |
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| 13:30.39 | Kalroth | stalker! |
| 13:33.50 | Castigo | can anyone tell me the name of a font fixed width that comes with wow default please? |
| 13:33.58 | Castigo | to be used in a SetFontString please |
| 13:41.20 | clad|away | Please look for yourself, instead of asking in two channels.l |
| 13:42.29 | clad|away | not to mention that there aren't any that I'm aware of. |
| 13:42.37 | clad|away | Castigo: ^^ |
| 13:51.15 | |pez| | Kalroth: He is, actually! |
| 13:51.26 | Kalroth | I wish I had a stalker :( |
| 13:51.59 | Kalroth | But they're so rare today, usually they're either an FBI agent or someone who mistook me for a female dwarf priest. |
| 13:52.08 | Kalroth | it's* |
| 13:52.23 | |pez| | Awwh |
| 13:52.40 | clad|away | Hrm, Vista or XP? |
| 13:52.41 | clad|away | thoughts? |
| 13:52.51 | |pez| | Vista makes my WoW lag. |
| 13:52.56 | cladhaire | hell, i should just install macosx |
| 13:53.04 | Kalroth | Disable the fancy themes, pez |
| 13:53.18 | Kalroth | I run Vista and WoW with zero lag in windowed mode. |
| 13:53.27 | cladhaire | i'd run it in fullscreen |
| 13:53.32 | cladhaire | any issues with that allegedly? |
| 13:53.59 | |pez| | Kalroth: So,... no default Vista look for pezzes? |
| 13:54.58 | Otixa | do -opengl ;p |
| 13:55.13 | Otixa | Makes it run fastarr on Vistah |
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| 13:56.17 | Otixa | Anyone got an idea how to show an image above a player's head? :/ |
| 13:56.27 | |pez| | Otixa? :o |
| 13:56.33 | |pez| | How? XD |
| 13:56.41 | Otixa | I saw an addon that does that a while back, but can't find it anymore :/ |
| 13:56.52 | cladhaire | Iriel had one-ish |
| 13:56.53 | Otixa | |pez|, open up your shortcut for WoW |
| 13:57.06 | Otixa | And at the end of the link, past the quotes add -opengl |
| 13:57.17 | cladhaire | or just set the CVar? |
| 13:57.20 | |pez| | Aaah |
| 13:57.21 | |pez| | thanks |
| 13:57.33 | Otixa | I'm pretty sure it'd need a relog |
| 13:57.36 | Otixa | So eh... |
| 13:57.44 | cladhaire | it would.. |
| 13:57.48 | |pez| | so... - "C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Launcher.exe -opengl" ? |
| 13:58.05 | Otixa | "C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Launcher.exe" -opengl |
| 13:58.12 | Otixa | after quotes :P |
| 13:58.15 | |pez| | Ooh, right |
| 13:58.17 | |pez| | thanks XD |
| 13:58.22 | Otixa | Yer welcome |
| 13:58.26 | cladhaire | Otixa: ArcadiaLogos imo: http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/ |
| 13:58.33 | cladhaire | http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/ss/Arcadian.jpg |
| 13:58.40 | cladhaire | it might only work/happen on mouseover tho |
| 13:58.56 | Otixa | Doesn't matter. Works for what I'm cooking |
| 13:58.58 | Otixa | Thanks :> |
| 14:00.05 | Otixa | Still having a hard time getting used to the silly LUA syntax ;/ |
| 14:00.13 | cladhaire | its not LUA its Lua |
| 14:00.16 | cladhaire | perhaps that would help |
| 14:00.18 | cladhaire | ~writeluaright |
| 14:00.19 | purl | from memory, writeluaright is Lua is a Portuguese word meaning "Moon". More details can be found on the "About Lua" page at http://www.lua.org/about.html#name |
| 14:00.49 | Kalroth | haha |
| 14:00.54 | Otixa | Hurhur |
| 14:01.02 | Kalroth | cladhaire: you sound like krka! |
| 14:01.08 | Otixa | Is purl written in Perl, by any chance? :> |
| 14:01.19 | Kalroth | He gets offended when I call it LUA or L.U.A. :( |
| 14:01.22 | cladhaire | ~infobot |
| 14:01.22 | purl | cladhaire, I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/), or updated sources at http://infobot.sf.net/, or a robot that doesn't know it should only speak when spoken to, or on fire, or awesome. |
| 14:02.00 | Lopeppeppy | I somehow think purl is Python... but that's just crazytalk. |
| 14:02.04 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 14:02.04 | purl | thanks, Lopeppeppy |
| 14:02.34 | Otixa | Interesting |
| 14:02.56 | Otixa | I should get my overly-complicated PHP bot in here :P |
| 14:03.14 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure the ops aren't going to be too fond of that. :) |
| 14:03.19 | Otixa | :< |
| 14:03.36 | Otixa | I'll switch attack mode off in the code <_< |
| 14:04.26 | Otixa | Eh, back to poking |
| 14:04.29 | mikma | easiest thing would just be not to bring him at all |
| 14:04.32 | |pez| | So, so far not any better with opengl |
| 14:04.32 | lua_bot | There can be only one |
| 14:04.42 | mikma | we already got one dorkbot |
| 14:04.48 | |pez| | getting 7fps when standing completelystill in Dalaran. |
| 14:04.50 | Otixa | Onoe D: |
| 14:05.00 | Otixa | Dalaran is special like that |
| 14:05.07 | Otixa | With half the realm in there and whatnot |
| 14:05.26 | |pez| | I don't usually lag more in Dalaran than the rest of the world. |
| 14:08.03 | |pez| | I'kll try turning of the shiny Vista ui. :P |
| 14:08.06 | |pez| | later |
| 14:08.49 | Lopeppeppy | Start in selective startup mode sometimes helps WoW as well. Vista has a lot of crap processes running. |
| 14:09.19 | |pez| | I really need to get that other desk in here, so I can setup my desktop, and install something not Vista on that XD |
| 14:10.29 | Otixa | Install DOS xD |
| 14:10.49 | Otixa | Mmm... ASCII WoW |
| 14:11.23 | Lopeppeppy | WoW is so much happier with XP sometimes.... but my laptop does Vista and WoW just fine, so long as I don't want max settings and I shut off all crap processes. |
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| 14:12.47 | Otixa | I dunno, my FPS dropped by about 40 (from 130) when I switched to Vista, but it still runs pretty good |
| 14:13.04 | Otixa | Even in windowed mode, with a bunch of stuff turned on |
| 14:13.45 | Otixa | Might be a resolution issue |
| 14:14.06 | Otixa | Since some GPUs are optimized to run at AxB resolution |
| 14:14.23 | Otixa | i.e. I get 15FPS at 800x600 and 70 at 1024x768 |
| 14:14.49 | Lopeppeppy | My understanding is that any framerate over the refresh rate of your monitor is pretty much wasted. |
| 14:15.59 | cladhaire | i just don't want to blow my xp license on this machine, since i use it more than anything for virtualization |
| 14:16.24 | cladhaire | sure, i could get around that, but i have a vista license sitting around doing nothing :P |
| 14:16.50 | mikma | uh, ptr patch notes |
| 14:16.57 | Lopeppeppy | Get more XP licensed copies! I have.... 3. From 3 different computers bought with it pre-installed. |
| 14:17.09 | mikma | Raise Ally now raises a fallen party member and has no reagent. Available at level 72. |
| 14:17.12 | mikma | muah! |
| 14:17.19 | cladhaire | Lopeppeppy: well, I have an XP home license |
| 14:17.23 | Otixa | Whut? Link! |
| 14:17.27 | cladhaire | but cannot find the right iso for it, and of course it doesn' come with one. |
| 14:17.30 | Kalroth | http://www.mmo-champion.com/ |
| 14:17.42 | mikma | ^- what he linked |
| 14:17.48 | Lopeppeppy | of course, cladhaire. |
| 14:18.12 | cladhaire | Windows XP Home Edition ULCPC DSG Retail Limited |
| 14:18.15 | cladhaire | allegedly |
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| 14:18.28 | mikma | Bone Shield -- mitigation reduced from 40% to 20%. |
| 14:18.41 | mikma | Icebound Fortitude . now reduces damage by 20% instead of 50%. The amount of damage reduced increases with bonus Defense (to about 35% for 540 Defense, but it can go higher). The stun immunity is intended to be its primary role in PvP. |
| 14:19.00 | mikma | oh loll |
| 14:19.06 | mikma | Frost Presence -- bonus armor increased from 60 to 80% |
| 14:19.23 | cladhaire | these aren't "new" changes, they announced most of these a while ago |
| 14:19.31 | cladhaire | these are just the patch note versions of those |
| 14:19.40 | mikma | confirmed changes! |
| 14:19.41 | cladhaire | they are moving a DK tank to rely more on defense |
| 14:19.46 | cladhaire | GC confirmed them a long time ago |
| 14:20.33 | alestane | This gives the theorycrafters #s to play with though. |
| 14:20.48 | Lopeppeppy | GC isn't going to stick his neck otu and put in blue something that's not going to happen after all. He likes not being lynched. |
| 14:22.54 | mikma | "Put another way, death knights need to be able to survive without Bone Shield and then use Bone Shield as needed. The way it felt was that anytime Bone Shield was down, the end was near." <- oh yeah baby |
| 14:23.26 | Lopeppeppy | Bone Shield has become the Oh Shit button instead of an absolute requirement. |
| 14:24.24 | alestane | I like that as time goes by patch notes to started tto occasionally include designer reasoning behind changes as well as the actual effects. |
| 14:24.54 | alestane | random extra preposition in there. |
| 14:25.14 | Lopeppeppy | Are you prepositioning me? |
| 14:25.31 | alestane | "With Lopeppeppy"...yep, yes I am, apparently. |
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| 14:26.57 | alestane | Once upon a time I was doing a Jumble puzzle in the paper, and the final puzzle clue was a picture of a woman sitting with a man kneeling before her offering a ring, and she's thinking, 'I like him, but such grammar!'; and it says underneath, 'What he ended his sentence with.' |
| 14:27.07 | alestane | The answer is, "A proposition." |
| 14:27.11 | cladhaire | :P |
| 14:27.26 | Lopeppeppy | *rolls eyes* |
| 14:28.00 | cladhaire | ooh |
| 14:28.06 | cladhaire | no racial restriction on mounts! |
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| 14:28.54 | mikma | Character Re-Customization is a paid service that lets you change an existing character's gender, face, skin color, and other cosmetic features determined by his or her race and gender combination. |
| 14:29.05 | mikma | do i sense 15 dollar silicons for all nelf and human males? |
| 14:29.23 | mikma | argh |
| 14:29.24 | mikma | females |
| 14:29.28 | mikma | coffee time |
| 14:29.31 | WobWork | mikma: That's how I've always used bone shield though, when tanking |
| 14:29.42 | WobWork | It's never been an initial mitigation |
| 14:29.53 | alestane | Probably not...there's only one body type per race/gender combination. |
| 14:29.58 | WobWork | it's more of a shieldwall sort of thing =) |
| 14:29.59 | Lopeppeppy | No... restrictions... on mounts? |
| 14:30.06 | WobWork | aside from faction |
| 14:30.18 | mikma | wobwork: i use it for the damageboost :I |
| 14:30.20 | WobWork | TAUREN ON BIRDY |
| 14:30.30 | WobWork | boneshield damage boost? |
| 14:30.31 | Lopeppeppy | Human on a harley-bird. |
| 14:30.45 | WobWork | Draenei on mechano =P |
| 14:30.52 | alestane | Are they also eliminating the rep requirements, or just the whole "Race: Dwarf, Gnome" thing? |
| 14:30.57 | WobWork | race |
| 14:30.59 | cladhaire | just race |
| 14:31.09 | alestane | So I still have to be exalted. |
| 14:31.16 | WobWork | also: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=WxB1gB6K-2A is still one of the best sketches ever |
| 14:31.18 | cladhaire | thats really easy tho |
| 14:31.32 | cladhaire | WobWork: its a good one, true |
| 14:31.54 | alestane | Way easier than it used to be. Alestane ground out huge stacks of morrowgrain and runecloth, but my draenei was exalted with SW by level 42. |
| 14:31.56 | cladhaire | but only good if you know Dr. WHo |
| 14:33.52 | WobWork | s'true |
| 14:34.01 | Lopeppeppy | AV can take care of your rep needs, if you farm the turn-ins. |
| 14:34.03 | WobWork | "Do you fancy Billie Piper, sir?" =) |
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| 14:37.16 | WobWork | mikma: oh the 2% boost =P |
| 14:38.09 | mikma | wobwork: that youtubelink was propably the annoying clip in a while |
| 14:38.17 | WobWork | I don't know if I want to spend points in NotD for the aoe avoidance |
| 14:38.27 | WobWork | hehe |
| 14:38.31 | WobWork | Catherine Tate does that well |
| 14:38.44 | WobWork | I can only stand her in very very small doses =P |
| 14:38.51 | WobWork | Like a single sketch |
| 14:38.57 | WobWork | I can never watch an entire show |
| 14:39.22 | WobWork | I wonder if I should respec out of Master of Ghouls |
| 14:39.32 | mikma | i respecced back into it :D |
| 14:39.48 | WobWork | God knows the ghoul is damn useful at times |
| 14:39.59 | mikma | removed outbreak tho :I got ghoul and 20% mount speed instead |
| 14:40.42 | WobWork | does mount speed affect the flyers? |
| 14:41.03 | mikma | apparently, this is what i was told :I |
| 14:42.51 | WobWork | I haven't respecced at all since 58 when I specced out of blood =P |
| 14:43.09 | WobWork | I probably should do it some time, but I'm having so much fun as an unholy tank |
| 14:43.29 | WobWork | maybe after 77 when I spend all my cash on epic flying |
| 14:43.33 | WobWork | and cold weather flying |
| 14:43.34 | mikma | dude from my wifes guild tanked our heroic last night with the completely same build tha ni have |
| 14:43.42 | mikma | except he had... |
| 14:43.55 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0EMZ0xZfg0h0fogcq0csut <- this is what i have now |
| 14:44.41 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVZZfg0hxcoxcV0csut <- this is what he had |
| 14:45.15 | WobWork | no blade barrier? |
| 14:45.19 | WobWork | what's his parry at? |
| 14:45.29 | mikma | dunno |
| 14:45.35 | WobWork | how can you turn down +10% parry O.O |
| 14:45.56 | WobWork | although, there's diminishing returns I guess |
| 14:45.56 | mikma | well, i'm not sure did he have 5/5 blade barrier or not |
| 14:45.59 | mikma | oh |
| 14:46.00 | mikma | armory! |
| 14:46.04 | WobWork | yeah =) |
| 14:46.10 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. |
| 14:47.09 | Kalroth | diminishing returns is only on parry skill gained from rating |
| 14:47.26 | Kalroth | not innate or talents (or from stats in the case of dodge) |
| 14:48.20 | WobWork | hm |
| 14:48.24 | WobWork | So no excuse =) |
| 14:48.52 | mikma | moment |
| 14:48.56 | mikma | checking his armory |
| 14:49.06 | WobWork | what was the name? |
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| 14:49.18 | mikma | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Morfeas |
| 14:49.44 | mikma | yeah, no blade barrier |
| 14:50.01 | WobWork | crazy =) |
| 14:50.10 | mikma | well, he has a raid-dps spec |
| 14:50.40 | WobWork | yeah, lots of crit |
| 14:50.42 | mikma | i was able to take aggro from him couple of times, whee, and i pooped 1.2k dps meh |
| 14:51.15 | WobWork | 33% crit =P |
| 14:51.31 | WobWork | 8 and 9% dodge parry |
| 14:51.56 | WobWork | so definitely not specced/geared towards tanking |
| 14:52.04 | mikma | yeah |
| 14:52.17 | mikma | i'm looking forward of getting some good tanking-gear so i can go and give it a go |
| 14:52.42 | mikma | but then again, i need 3/3 of Outbreak instead of ghoul and mountspeed :I |
| 14:52.58 | Kaelten | g'morning |
| 14:53.07 | mikma | hi kaeltzu |
| 14:53.26 | mikma | wobwork: i <3 my current spec :D it's better than the previous one not with ghoul |
| 14:53.34 | WobWork | hm |
| 14:53.40 | mikma | now i don't feel so lonely because i have my minion with me |
| 14:53.44 | WobWork | tier 7 bonuses seem a bit meh |
| 14:53.59 | Lopeppeppy | I've been leveling in blood for a DPS character for a change... who else runs blood? |
| 14:54.22 | mikma | lopeppeppy: my friend does, but he's lvl72 atm |
| 14:54.33 | WobWork | You could move the points from 2handed spec |
| 14:54.41 | Lopeppeppy | That's okay, it gives me a thing to think about. Kirwan's only 59. |
| 14:54.45 | mikma | yeah i was thinknig about that 2 handed |
| 14:54.57 | WobWork | 4% extra white damage compared to 20% PS and BB damage |
| 14:55.02 | mikma | does it affect the spells? because spells scale from the weapon damage |
| 14:55.18 | alestane | I'm Unholy over blood, so probably not fit to give a real breakdown of blood. |
| 14:55.31 | WobWork | I think it only affects white damage |
| 14:55.47 | WobWork | You'd have to ask EJ I think |
| 14:55.47 | mikma | No. |
| 14:55.48 | mikma | Increase your white damage by 4%. That's what the tooltip says. |
| 14:55.52 | mikma | wowhead comment |
| 14:56.10 | mikma | ok then, that's 20% more for outbreak, later :) |
| 14:56.26 | WobWork | Lopeppeppy: Y'see, I -want- to try blood... |
| 14:56.32 | WobWork | but jesus unholy is fun |
| 14:56.40 | WobWork | maybe my next DK =P |
| 14:56.45 | Lopeppeppy | Unholy is mostly ze tanking, yes? |
| 14:56.55 | WobWork | unholy is ze massive aoe dps |
| 14:57.00 | mikma | aye |
| 14:57.02 | alestane | Each spec has its own style of tanking. |
| 14:57.07 | alestane | Or DPS. |
| 14:57.12 | WobWork | but yes |
| 14:57.13 | mikma | nothing more fun than soloing 4-5 mobs with same level than you and surviving |
| 14:57.20 | alestane | Right now blood isn't well set up for tanking, but they're trying to fix that. |
| 14:57.27 | WobWork | yeah, next couple of patches |
| 14:57.38 | WobWork | heartstrike will be a cleave |
| 14:57.44 | mikma | oh man |
| 14:58.03 | alestane | I'm enjoying my survivability in Unholy, but that's partly because I'm used to the warlock and unholy came very naturally. |
| 14:58.15 | WobWork | alestane: howso? |
| 14:58.24 | WobWork | having to maintain dots and the like? |
| 14:58.27 | alestane | Dots, debuffs, and pets. |
| 14:58.32 | WobWork | yeah |
| 14:58.34 | mikma | Pack Mule ? |
| 14:58.34 | WobWork | we're like warlocks |
| 14:58.35 | mikma | * Pack Mule -- Summons a pack mule, giving you access to any bank items for 3 min. The mule may only be summoned once. * Summon Faithful Mule -- Summons your faithful pack mule, giving you access to any bank items for 3 min. |
| 14:58.36 | WobWork | but in plate =) |
| 14:58.39 | mikma | haha |
| 14:58.42 | mikma | that's neat if it's in the game! |
| 14:58.57 | WobWork | rofl |
| 14:59.04 | alestane | Warlocks, but in plate armor, with a big axe. |
| 14:59.07 | WobWork | reminds me of that Microsoft Dungeon game |
| 14:59.13 | WobWork | what was it? |
| 14:59.16 | mikma | uh |
| 14:59.26 | WobWork | The one they made that terrrible movie from |
| 14:59.26 | mikma | <3 Dungeon Keeper 2 |
| 14:59.30 | alestane | "And John Leguisamo as: A donkey. |
| 14:59.30 | Olison | mikma: where did you find that Summon Faithful Mule stuff? |
| 14:59.38 | mikma | olison: mmo-champion.com |
| 14:59.52 | mikma | wobwork: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeon_Keeper_2 <- awesome game :D |
| 15:00.14 | mikma | wobwork: you could be a real sadist in it, just put your peons into torturing chamber and the mistress would handle the rest |
| 15:00.29 | WobWork | Reward: Little Fawn's Salt Lick |
| 15:00.42 | WobWork | mikma: no that wasn't it |
| 15:00.45 | WobWork | although that was a good game |
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| 15:01.03 | Lopeppeppy | Dungeon Keeper rocks! |
| 15:01.11 | alestane | Dungeon Siege? |
| 15:01.13 | Lopeppeppy | ... but it doesn't play well on modern systems with upgraded graphics, sadly. |
| 15:01.19 | WobWork | Aha that's it |
| 15:01.20 | WobWork | yeah |
| 15:01.29 | WobWork | Dungeon Siege had pack mules =) |
| 15:01.38 | WobWork | Was terrible trying to get them onto lifts though |
| 15:02.08 | WobWork | and the movie =) http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie/in-the-name-of-the-king-a-dungeon-siege-tale/ |
| 15:02.18 | WobWork | Go go Uwe Boll =P |
| 15:02.28 | WobWork | It had Jason Statham in it! |
| 15:03.54 | WobWork | hehe and Burt Reynolds |
| 15:03.58 | WobWork | and Ron Pearlman |
| 15:04.09 | WobWork | and dear god, Kristianna Loken |
| 15:04.29 | WobWork | how the hell does he get these people to work for him? |
| 15:04.30 | Lopeppeppy | Ron Pearlman does excellent movies. |
| 15:04.48 | WobWork | Hellboy! |
| 15:05.01 | Lopeppeppy | Beauty and the Beast |
| 15:05.10 | WobWork | Sin City |
| 15:05.51 | Lopeppeppy | I think he was in an Aliens movie too, not sure. |
| 15:06.13 | WobWork | hehe Blade 2 |
| 15:06.31 | mikma | uh |
| 15:06.43 | WobWork | Resurrection, apparently |
| 15:06.46 | mikma | was he the one who got the arrow in his head in sin city`? |
| 15:07.13 | Lopeppeppy | Blade, Aliens, whatever. *grin* |
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| 15:08.00 | alestane | "Titan's Grip: The hit chance penalty has been removed. " |
| 15:08.33 | WobWork | oh wait, that was Mickey Rourke in SC |
| 15:08.52 | WobWork | alestane: ... does normal DW penalty apply still? |
| 15:09.00 | mikma | wobwork: yes, it was |
| 15:09.25 | alestane | That's a quote from MMO Champion, so it's not confirmed yet, and no further information is available at this time. |
| 15:09.33 | WobWork | mikma: The facial makeup confused me =) |
| 15:10.19 | WobWork | so.. why do the Horde have more quests than the Alliance? |
| 15:10.25 | WobWork | re: Loremaster |
| 15:10.31 | mikma | wobwork: facials confuse me too ;) |
| 15:14.03 | WobWork | Fan of Knives: The cooldown has been removed. In addition, now deals 150% of weapon damage when used while daggers are equipped. |
| 15:14.10 | WobWork | hi2u rogue aoe =) |
| 15:15.01 | WobWork | two shot double 150% damage to all in 8yards at full energy |
| 15:15.46 | WobWork | also... Mana burn now burning a -percentage- of mana |
| 15:15.56 | WobWork | will that mean that the damage will scale with the mana pool? |
| 15:16.24 | alestane | I would suspect that the damage would be fixed, but can't say till I see it in action. |
| 15:16.55 | WobWork | oh and I like the removal of the cost for VE |
| 15:17.04 | WobWork | now it only costs a GCD |
| 15:17.18 | alestane | Probably because it doesn't do anything by itself. |
| 15:17.49 | WobWork | true |
| 15:18.05 | WobWork | and no more CoH spam =P |
| 15:23.47 | mikma | damn, need a disease lenght tracker :I |
| 15:23.51 | mikma | RuneWatch is HORRIBLE |
| 15:24.05 | mikma | it's like tuned up Lada |
| 15:24.21 | WobWork | I use dottimer |
| 15:24.25 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13393391161&sid=1 <-fail troll failed |
| 15:24.25 | WobWork | I think |
| 15:24.27 | Lopeppeppy | What do you suggest instead of Runewatch? I think that's what I use... |
| 15:24.44 | WobWork | Isn't runewatch just for runes? |
| 15:24.50 | Fisker- | "OMG PALADINS CAN HEAL PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MOB NOW WITH GLYPH OF HOLY LIGHT OMG NERF" |
| 15:25.35 | Lopeppeppy | Oh... my... god. This is literally the first I've ever heard that priests are disadvantaged healers and paladins are in any way a healing class of use. |
| 15:25.56 | WobWork | hehe |
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| 15:26.22 | Lopeppeppy | That troll is totally bookmarked, thanks Fisker! |
| 15:26.24 | Fisker- | glyph of holy light should be unlimited range restricted by los :3 |
| 15:26.31 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_121108_172515.jpg |
| 15:26.35 | mikma | imho that's a fail addon |
| 15:26.46 | alestane | "Beacon of light is amazing and is enough to heal as good or better then any other healing class in a 5 man." ...but apparently apparently bites donkeys in a 25-man raid. |
| 15:26.51 | Fisker- | yeah mikma |
| 15:27.04 | WobWork | oh god |
| 15:27.08 | Fisker- | i was about to tell you that your ui is bad and you should feel bad |
| 15:27.11 | WobWork | How can you use Runewatch? |
| 15:27.29 | mikma | you can move and scale that |
| 15:27.32 | WobWork | That has to be the most unreadable method ever >< |
| 15:27.39 | mikma | but there's only two looks that include the horrible graphics of it |
| 15:27.59 | WobWork | numeric countdown? |
| 15:28.03 | WobWork | Who has time to read numbers? |
| 15:28.23 | mikma | i know i do, but i don't need all the other crap in that, except the disease stuff |
| 15:28.40 | mikma | damn, most likely need to code that myself :( |
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| 15:28.56 | WobWork | I use http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/magicrunes.aspx |
| 15:29.07 | WobWork | and have it set up to just be the coloured bars |
| 15:29.43 | WobWork | kinda like http://mediabeta.curse.com/Curse.Projects.ProjectImages/16111/11078/bars-remaining-icon.png |
| 15:29.49 | WobWork | but without the icons and closer together |
| 15:29.54 | WobWork | fairly simple |
| 15:30.02 | mikma | i can see the runes up in my unitframe just fine :D but i can't track the lenght of diseases so easily |
| 15:30.27 | WobWork | that's why I use dottimer |
| 15:33.50 | Castigo | fuck me sideways! |
| 15:33.55 | Castigo | this table is driving me mental |
| 15:33.58 | Kalroth | kinky |
| 15:34.34 | Castigo | right let's try again |
| 15:34.37 | Castigo | there is more ppl now :P |
| 15:34.48 | Castigo | i need to display a table, inside an AceGUI frame |
| 15:34.55 | Castigo | to display dkp, so name, value, etc... |
| 15:35.01 | Castigo | i'd like the table to be row selectable |
| 15:35.13 | Castigo | and hopefully column sortable (clicking on the header) |
| 15:35.22 | Castigo | anyone has any libs that can work for me or ideas how to do it? |
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| 15:35.49 | WobWork | O.O http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/face-smasher.aspx |
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| 15:38.38 | WobWork | night all |
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| 17:19.43 | Trixer | Corr: Yeah. |
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| 17:21.06 | Shirik|zZz | ScytheBlade1: I found out what GRT was when I randomly clicked on "Show GRT Shell" |
| 17:21.30 | Shirik|zZz | "MySQL Generic Runtime environment 3.0.2" |
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| 17:26.18 | Fisker- | i could've told you that Shirik |
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| 17:27.37 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:29.59 | Lopeppeppy | More grades in yet? |
| 17:31.08 | Shirik | I'd prefer not to look atm :) |
| 17:31.47 | Lopeppeppy | Okay... just as you say. |
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| 17:34.31 | Fisker- | bai |
| 17:34.40 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 17:36.09 | Hirsute | Anyone here that used to use AspectBar have a good recommendation for a replacement? |
| 17:36.59 | mikma | http://uk.europe.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=437&subcategory=442&product=13868 <- these i bought |
| 17:37.25 | mikma | http://images.europe.creative.com/iss/images/artwork/A5_RGB/hs400_a.jpg :) |
| 17:37.43 | mikma | the mic can be placed on both speakers |
| 17:38.35 | Corr-work | i like how the package says it's superb |
| 17:40.42 | mikma | the soundquality and muting outside voices is quite amazing compared to the prize i paid |
| 17:41.22 | Corr-work | i must go to a dental appointment now. see ya |
| 17:41.31 | mikma | hf |
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| 17:53.39 | kd3 | rofl. fark: [NewsFlash] Obama held press confrence today. Said things. THINGS |
| 17:54.08 | Olorin | does WoTLK not have any recepies for specialisations in any tradeskills? |
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| 17:57.37 | Olorin | hmm someone said ingame that next patch will add some |
| 17:58.00 | Lopeppeppy | PTR notes are up, go poke at 'em to see. |
| 17:58.05 | NightHawkTheSane | not currently, and i've not seen any official word that there will be any added. |
| 17:58.36 | Olorin | will do, kinda interested if my breastplate can be upgraded again with armorsmithing |
| 17:59.32 | alestane | DoTs TAP! |
| 17:59.38 | Shirik | TAP? |
| 17:59.51 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: damn, now i can't ninja mobs from alliance wankers. |
| 17:59.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 18:00.19 | Dashkal | lua> 2500 * 0.04 * 5 + 1500 * 0.04 * 2 |
| 18:00.20 | lua_bot | Dashkal: 620 |
| 18:00.35 | Dashkal | napkin math says BA is still not all that useful... better though |
| 18:00.38 | NightHawkTheSane | (don't get me wrong, it's definitly a good change) |
| 18:00.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: 02:20 #WoWUIDev: <@Shirik> ScytheBlade1, I do have a question for you though |
| 18:01.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 18:01.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: its probably more in line with the healing from ilotp though. although i suspect ilotp will still outstrip it in the future |
| 18:01.18 | Shirik | you failed at answering :P |
| 18:01.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I was asleep |
| 18:01.30 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: prolly. Now at least I can consider it again. at 2% it wasn't worth the talent points nohow |
| 18:02.56 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: It was regarding a circular reference I had in my database |
| 18:03.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 18:03.19 | Shirik | but I was told I won't get any errors due to inconsistency unless the transaction is committed without resolving it |
| 18:03.20 | alestane | Someone was asking why moonkin can't cure poison? Abolish Poison will now be available in Moonkin Form. |
| 18:04.05 | alestane | "Swipe (Cat) has now been added at level 71" |
| 18:04.18 | Dashkal | Regarding the FAP change: "All druids will see the amount of feral attack power granted by an item in the item tooltip, if it grants any, but other players will not see that information." |
| 18:04.23 | Dashkal | nice |
| 18:04.32 | End | ahh |
| 18:04.37 | End | so that's how they're doing it |
| 18:04.40 | ScytheBlade1 | As long as you're using transactions, yeah, that's correct |
| 18:04.53 | Dashkal | I was half-expecting to need ratingbuster or some such to "decode" the DPS |
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| 18:07.34 | Shirik | So in the middle of one of our fights, one of our guild members DCed last night |
| 18:07.42 | Shirik | but he didn't actually get disconnected from the server; instead, he saw this |
| 18:07.50 | Shirik | http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr218/kellexx/Glitch.jpg |
| 18:08.12 | Dashkal | um... |
| 18:08.57 | alestane | No extra penalty for Titan's Grip confirmed. |
| 18:09.54 | NightHawkTheSane | huh... "Slow Fall can now be cast on other players." |
| 18:10.41 | alestane | "Some neglected creatures in Icecrown have found the contents of their pockets. " ROFL |
| 18:10.53 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: link? |
| 18:10.55 | ScytheBlade1 | LINK?! |
| 18:11.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: I'm reading this on mmo-cham |
| 18:11.10 | NightHawkTheSane | p |
| 18:11.27 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html |
| 18:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh PTR |
| 18:11.47 | Shirik | Levitate is now castable on others. |
| 18:12.13 | Shirik | Holy: Circle of Healing now has a 6 second cooldown. :( |
| 18:12.24 | |Jelly| | ~sigh |
| 18:12.25 | purl | *sigh* |
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| 18:12.46 | Lopeppeppy | They said they were changing it... |
| 18:12.48 | Shirik | I know |
| 18:12.56 | Trixer | aww sad day for DK players |
| 18:13.08 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.26 | Shirik | It doesn't really bother me too much that they're changing it in the fact that it will somewhat nerf priests; it's somewhat needed |
| 18:13.41 | Lopeppeppy | Good, that might do a little bit for some of the pally mana issues. Not a lot for holy mana issues, but we have other ways. |
| 18:13.46 | Shirik | It bothers me because priests don't really have anything to their name anymore |
| 18:13.57 | Shirik | (back to the way it was in early BC) |
| 18:13.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: its actually a nerf to anyone with a real mana pool |
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| 18:14.06 | Lopeppeppy | I don't want to see priests nerfed to balance up other healing classes, but I'm relieved to feel a smidgey useful. |
| 18:14.18 | NightHawkTheSane | and wasn't terribly necessary for ret, but *shrug* |
| 18:14.20 | Shirik | Paladins are useful at single target healing. They destroy us on patchwerk |
| 18:14.37 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, base versus maximum. |
| 18:14.38 | alestane | Character copy is open, but client is not yet updated. |
| 18:14.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: indeed. :( |
| 18:14.56 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, IF we get to raids. We can't get into 5 mans to get the gear to raid. |
| 18:15.08 | NightHawkTheSane | it'll double the return that.. ret paladins get, and thats about it, almost every other mana using class has int on their gear. |
| 18:15.11 | Shirik | we don't have that problem, come join us :) |
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| 18:15.21 | Stanzilla | eu character copy is bugged, says "ok" but status page says "failed" |
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| 18:15.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: once more, stop running with morons :p |
| 18:15.42 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 18:15.48 | ScytheBlade1 | About half my guild sex changed to female last night |
| 18:16.01 | Lopeppeppy | NightHawkTheSane, if I could even run with morons I would. |
| 18:16.37 | Lopeppeppy | I does have a guild now who lurbs me, but I'm kinda not in their time zone. |
| 18:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: assuming that you saw: Ritual of Summoning: Will now create a summoning portal object which can be re-used for multiple summons for 5 minutes. |
| 18:17.22 | Shirik | !!! |
| 18:17.24 | Shirik | Tapping: All player spells which cause a creature to become aggressive to you will now also immediately cause the creature to be tapped. |
| 18:17.36 | Shirik | no more warlock qq |
| 18:17.39 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: That was announced a couple weeks ago, and I'm looking forward to trying it. |
| 18:17.55 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: you and ever other warlock, ever! |
| 18:18.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: honestly, the trick really is finding people who aren't morons and don't buy into the latest idiotic fads being purported by the forum trolls. *shrug* good healers are good healers, period. |
| 18:18.23 | Wikwocket | Anyone here familiar with localizing addons into an Asian language? |
| 18:18.33 | alestane | Shirik: Yes indeed. Although NHtS points out there may be QQ from people who watch a warlock DoT every mob in a 50-foot radius. |
| 18:18.49 | Shirik | and then I will lol when said warlock gets owned in the face |
| 18:18.54 | Trixer | NightHawk: I agree |
| 18:19.07 | Lopeppeppy | I don't disagree, NightHawkTheSane, but that doesn't make me any less angry when I get booted from 5 mans because they find "a real healer". This has been going on since level 65. |
| 18:19.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: but, what will you do when that warlock proceeds to keep them all dotted, feared, and is looting hte corpses? >< |
| 18:19.23 | Shirik | hope he's on alliance in wintergrasp |
| 18:19.29 | Shirik | which will generally be true |
| 18:19.30 | Lopeppeppy | If that happens, warlock Dots will be nerfed in some way. |
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| 18:19.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: those people are 100% idiots, you shouldn't hate blizzard, or the class, it's entirely those player's ignorance |
| 18:19.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait |
| 18:19.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Anything that causes them to be aggressive |
| 18:19.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: they haven't been yet, and it hasn't stopped warlocks from doing that anyway |
| 18:19.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That includes body pulling... |
| 18:20.03 | Shirik | any SPELLS |
| 18:20.07 | Alfuin | hey |
| 18:20.18 | NightHawkTheSane | at least that means cat form faerie fire will tag |
| 18:20.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, spells indeed |
| 18:20.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo |
| 18:20.23 | Lopeppeppy | There are still some very distinct issues with the paladin class, beyond any idiots who play the game. |
| 18:20.24 | Trixer | I dont understand why a paladin wouldnt be a good healer for 5 mans? |
| 18:20.36 | Shirik | Trixer: Because people are idiots |
| 18:20.47 | Trixer | I would take a pally on 5 man raids as a healer.. it just means if he gets swarmed because of bad tanking he isnt gonna insta die |
| 18:20.58 | Shirik | I saw some tank come into the priest forums complaining about how priests weren't getting the -aggro talent anymore |
| 18:20.58 | Lopeppeppy | I don't disagree. |
| 18:21.09 | Shirik | and he was saying "omg I can't keep aggro, priests do too much aggro" |
| 18:21.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: i'm not going to disagree. but i don't feel (and have not observed) that the paladins issues make them any less desirable. |
| 18:21.20 | Shirik | The only responses were "Are you sure it's not just because you're a bad tank?" |
| 18:21.24 | Shirik | idiots like those |
| 18:21.37 | jaxdahl | are there UI changes in 3.0.8? |
| 18:21.51 | Lopeppeppy | That paladins **have** issues makes them less desirable. |
| 18:21.58 | Shirik | Yeah ScytheBlade1 where's our diff!! |
| 18:22.06 | ScytheBlade1 | jaxdahl: none listed |
| 18:22.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: that's kd3 |
| 18:22.13 | Shirik | Fine |
| 18:22.17 | Shirik | kd3 where's our diff!! |
| 18:22.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: every class has issues. |
| 18:22.36 | kd3 | sec. I still haven't downloaded it |
| 18:22.46 | Shirik | not acceptable! |
| 18:23.02 | Trixer | The biggest problem and I think NHtS pointed this out was that you get a bunch of trolls on the forums who set the "standard" and then all the sheep just kind of follow it |
| 18:23.06 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. I share my experience. If it doesn't equal yours, happy day for you. |
| 18:23.10 | jaxdahl | only 107 mb!! |
| 18:23.15 | Trixer | with no real thought about how other methods could be used if a player can play their class |
| 18:23.26 | Alfuin | i got a problem i can't figure out... in http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11855-ShowMeTheMoney.html - sometimes when i start up, the moneyframe is showing only 0 copper, even if you have more. you must toggle the frame off and on, or earn/loose money for it to update. any thoughts? |
| 18:24.03 | zenzelezz | sounds like you're calling the money function before the data is available then |
| 18:24.12 | Shirik | agree with zenzelezz |
| 18:24.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Isn't that the addon from the tutorial that shipped with WoW/ |
| 18:24.37 | ScytheBlade1 | *? |
| 18:24.39 | Alfuin | ok... fair enough... |
| 18:24.42 | Alfuin | it WAS |
| 18:24.46 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: basically |
| 18:24.47 | Cide | according to my expert assessment, it appears you are calling GetMoney() before the cache has been populated from the server. |
| 18:24.54 | Alfuin | if you bother looking at the code, you will see it is so much more now |
| 18:24.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:25.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I was just going off the name |
| 18:25.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Didn't even click it |
| 18:25.17 | Alfuin | hthat is what most who comment on it does |
| 18:25.34 | Cide | maybe you need to be a bit more creative with the name next time |
| 18:25.37 | Alfuin | look at the name, and throw a bad comment |
| 18:25.38 | NightHawkTheSane | cat swipe is 50 energy? :\ |
| 18:25.52 | Alfuin | what should i call it then? it is a perfect name |
| 18:26.09 | Trixer | NHtS: Cats get swipe? Wait.. am I missing something |
| 18:26.09 | Cide | Moneypenny |
| 18:26.14 | Alfuin | lol |
| 18:26.30 | Dashkal | Trixer: http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=cf64c60206a75596ea22f0fe7b4d67d0&topic=29837.0 |
| 18:26.33 | Dashkal | Patch notes are up |
| 18:26.53 | Dashkal | O.o ... How do I even have a sessionid? |
| 18:27.00 | Alfuin | i think it would be complicated to change a project name, atleast on curse |
| 18:27.06 | Cide | how do you not? |
| 18:27.06 | cladhaire | mikma: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/7009e18ce920d705eacffa99e6778843.png |
| 18:27.27 | Cide | php automatically creates a session for you when session_start() is called |
| 18:27.38 | Dashkal | Cide: I just find it odd that I'd have one given that I'm not logged in. Obviously that doesn't matter, just surprised me |
| 18:27.54 | Cide | php does what php does |
| 18:27.59 | Cide | no way to stop it! |
| 18:28.06 | Stanzilla | cladhaire: arrow working in the ldb feed? w00t! :D |
| 18:28.20 | cladhaire | yeah, gotta clean quite a bit up |
| 18:28.27 | Cide | unrelated |
| 18:28.30 | Cide | or semi-related |
| 18:28.30 | cladhaire | and i'll be the only ldb view that supports it |
| 18:28.30 | Shirik | I hate PHP's session system |
| 18:28.31 | cladhaire | but its nice |
| 18:28.33 | Cide | that arrow looks great |
| 18:28.35 | Cide | @ cladhaire |
| 18:28.48 | Cide | (in general, not just the screenshot) |
| 18:28.49 | cladhaire | which one? the big one or the panel one |
| 18:28.55 | Cide | crazy waypoint arrow |
| 18:28.56 | cladhaire | thanks, its not mine :P |
| 18:29.00 | Cide | weaksauce |
| 18:29.15 | kd3 | the hell? slow fall cast on other players? |
| 18:29.16 | Cide | Shirik: yup |
| 18:29.31 | NeoTron | nice LDB displayed arrow (although I assume it's just a matter of changing the icon every time direction changes) |
| 18:29.35 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: that may bring an end to my water walking fun. >< |
| 18:29.36 | NeoTron | still looks good |
| 18:29.53 | cladhaire | NeoTron: well it uses texcoords.. so the view must support it |
| 18:29.54 | cladhaire | and colors |
| 18:29.59 | cladhaire | NinjaPanel does |
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| 18:30.04 | Alfuin | ckknight, you seem to be involved in CurseForge. is it hard to change a project name, and retain the files? |
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| 18:30.34 | jaxdahl | slow fall => less stupidity on thaddius |
| 18:30.45 | NeoTron | cladhaire: ah I see |
| 18:30.55 | Cide | no no no |
| 18:30.57 | NeoTron | so standard LDB stuff being... expanded with non-standard stuff :P |
| 18:31.02 | Cide | s/stupidity/hilarity/ |
| 18:31.04 | cladhaire | has to be, eys |
| 18:31.06 | NeoTron | I guess I need to add that stuff in ButtonBin |
| 18:31.15 | Cide | people who fail the jump fail |
| 18:31.19 | kd3 | the best part of thaddius is mocking the people who fail the jump |
| 18:31.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 18:31.29 | cladhaire | NeoTron: its just iconR, iconG, iconB and iconCoords (which is a table) |
| 18:31.30 | Cide | http://www.ctscreens.net/2470 |
| 18:31.40 | ScytheBlade1 | We were pretty relentless last night when it came to that much failure on thaddius |
| 18:31.54 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: did i mention that last weekend we had -both- tanks fail to make the jump? >< |
| 18:31.54 | Cide | refer to "If you need to practice jumping then you can go find a cliff and jump off of it or something." |
| 18:31.56 | cladhaire | to actually trigger the callback when I change the coords, I actually change the table.. just memoize on my end |
| 18:32.00 | Cide | it actually refers to that jump exactly |
| 18:32.12 | Alfuin | anyone know if there exist an addon named "Ka-ching" or similar? :P |
| 18:32.37 | jaxdahl | my guild cleared all 25 man content in the last 2 nights, including twilight assist. going to try twilight duo next week |
| 18:32.49 | Cide | "Wait\nWait\nWait\nWait\nWait\nRETARDS\nWAIT" referred to the heigan gauntlet, fyi. |
| 18:33.13 | cladhaire | NeoTron: this is in addition to me being completely annoyed that people are refusing to specify the type in their LDB feeds |
| 18:33.34 | kd3 | nhts; rofl |
| 18:33.37 | Shirik | nice Cide |
| 18:33.59 | Cide | so does the one that starts with "AE before my call again, see what happens" |
| 18:34.08 | Cide | said applicant got denied shortly after |
| 18:34.09 | Trixer | Torrents are the best thing ever, for non piracy of course... |
| 18:34.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Trixer: they really really are... I've used them to send large files to friends and it's invaluable |
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| 18:35.17 | mikma | cladhaire: cool. minor bugs discussed got fixed? :) |
| 18:35.25 | Trixer | ScytheBlade: Yep things like that make this stuff awesome. I have always dreamt of creating a private "torrent server" for like me and my friends to share our files with. |
| 18:35.26 | cladhaire | huh |
| 18:35.41 | Shirik | "Anti-Magic Shell: The cooldown has been lowered to 45 sec from 60 sec. " |
| 18:35.42 | mikma | also, gz for the level |
| 18:35.43 | Shirik | ... wut? |
| 18:35.48 | kd3 | "slay the following pests". joy |
| 18:35.52 | Shirik | oh wait, I read it backwards |
| 18:35.55 | cladhaire | kthanks. |
| 18:35.59 | Cide | yep, it's phrased pretty backwards |
| 18:36.00 | kd3 | more running around the world to kill critters |
| 18:36.08 | cladhaire | mikma: what again was the problem... |
| 18:36.12 | mikma | ARGH! i hate microphones :( |
| 18:36.15 | mikma | cladhaire: Waiting... |
| 18:36.19 | cladhaire | yes... |
| 18:36.25 | Trixer | I was always a fan of p2p networks like guenlla but then I started using torrents more and more and relized that they rocked |
| 18:36.25 | cladhaire | again, not my problem |
| 18:36.30 | cladhaire | but this panel won't try to display them anymore. |
| 18:36.31 | mikma | aka. people failing in addons |
| 18:36.34 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: what? |
| 18:36.41 | kd3 | http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/wotlk/ach/9328?diff=1 |
| 18:37.01 | Lyn | mikma, tHE LIVING ARE HEERE |
| 18:37.03 | ScytheBlade1 | They are absolutely awesome. Staggered downloading, effecient multi peer transfer, more rate limiting knobs than most people know what to do with |
| 18:37.06 | Lyn | heeeereee :O |
| 18:37.13 | kd3 | oh yay, and a feat for getting the aqual quintessence |
| 18:37.14 | mikma | ~lederhosen |
| 18:37.15 | purl | i guess lederhosen is lyn, scheisse, lederhosen! SCHIMANSKI! |
| 18:37.28 | mikma | lyn: heere at the wall |
| 18:37.30 | Lyn | ~schimanski |
| 18:37.31 | purl | i heard schimanski is mikma also known as mikmanski |
| 18:37.48 | Lyn | i am farming scholo atm |
| 18:37.49 | Lyn | erm |
| 18:37.51 | Lyn | strat |
| 18:37.52 | Lyn | xD |
| 18:38.10 | Lyn | i love that instance |
| 18:38.25 | Trixer | ScytheBlade: Ohh, I know how to use the Knobs ;) |
| 18:38.49 | Trixer | What im wondering is, if its possible to like create a torrent server? Something private for like you and your friends? I suppose that would just mean creating the torrents and hosting them in a private location correct? |
| 18:39.03 | jaxdahl | bah, there is a 376mb patch after the 107mb patch |
| 18:39.19 | Trixer | lol |
| 18:39.23 | Trixer | they were like small patch |
| 18:39.25 | Trixer | wait no just kidding |
| 18:39.38 | zenzelezz | hey, cool... 3.0.8 changing Loremaster of Kalimdor from 730 to 700 for alliance; that means I'm only one quest off |
| 18:39.59 | jaxdahl | probably another one after this too |
| 18:40.14 | jaxdahl | this one is 0.0.1 to 0.0.3 |
| 18:40.26 | Lyn | i want the dk changes :x |
| 18:40.26 | kd3 | yay! "Players can now open clams while riding a vehicle, sitting, mounted, stealthed, and invisible. " |
| 18:40.33 | kd3 | 0.0.1->0.0.3 is kinda out of date |
| 18:40.37 | jaxdahl | 9149.. probably one from 9149 to 9328 |
| 18:40.41 | kd3 | we're going 3.0.3->0.0.8 atm |
| 18:40.45 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: rofl |
| 18:40.46 | End | zenzelezz: you also gain draenei lands and lose silverpine |
| 18:40.51 | End | not that alliance have anything in silverpine |
| 18:40.55 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: also, is there a UI diff in your link? |
| 18:41.03 | kd3 | neg. I'm still getting the damn patch |
| 18:41.07 | jaxdahl | lyn, bunch of them on mmo-champion.com |
| 18:41.25 | jaxdahl | kd3, i downloaded off the /ptr/ link on the wow site |
| 18:41.29 | Lyn | i know |
| 18:41.36 | Lyn | but i want to know when patch comes live XD |
| 18:41.38 | kd3 | then you're getting an out-of-date patch |
| 18:41.45 | Lyn | i hope it is not on ptr like 2-4 weeks |
| 18:42.07 | kd3 | unless they're doing something weird again |
| 18:42.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Lyn: it likely will be |
| 18:42.17 | jaxdahl | kd3, why would they not put .08 on the site to download first? |
| 18:42.21 | kd3 | are they doing the beta-style ptr install again? |
| 18:42.26 | kd3 | because the web guys are funny that way |
| 18:42.27 | Lyn | :< |
| 18:42.55 | Lyn | lol pestilence on the non elite undeads which comes when you kill ramstein rocks |
| 18:43.37 | jaxdahl | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/clients/pc/WoW-3.0.1.8874-PTR-US-Installer-downloader.exe |
| 18:44.42 | kd3 | blah. looks like they are doing the beta installer again |
| 18:44.54 | jaxdahl | now after that installed, it got this: WoW-0.0.1.8874-to-0.0.3.9149-enUS-downloader.exe and is now downloading it |
| 18:45.23 | Dashkal | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/10/funny-pictures-thud/ |
| 18:46.03 | Trixer | DashkalL reminds me of the warhammer online intro video lmao |
| 18:49.32 | ckknight | Alfuin: very easy to do, just tell me the project, I can change it for you |
| 18:49.48 | Dashkal | http://failblog.org/2008/12/10/productivity-fail/ |
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| 18:50.11 | NightHawkTheSane | awesome: http://www.overheardintheoffice.com/archives/008116.html |
| 18:50.59 | ccox | jaxdahl - since the current build is 3.0.3.9155 - I wonder if you are downloading old junk |
| 18:51.18 | ccox | sorry, current release is 3.0.3.9183 |
| 18:52.51 | jaxdahl | WoW-0.0.3.9149-to-0.0.3.9167-enUS-downloader.exe |
| 18:53.35 | alestane | We'll find out. |
| 18:53.47 | jaxdahl | WoW-0.0.3.9167-to-0.0.3.9174-enUS-downloader.exe |
| 18:54.28 | alestane | So it's doing incremental updates, anyway. |
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| 18:55.48 | jaxdahl | and it seems to have stopped updating |
| 18:56.12 | cladhaire | mikma: it now remembers where you've moved things to |
| 18:57.45 | alestane | Trixer: Most torrent distributions can also act as a tracker from what I've seen. |
| 18:58.16 | Alfuin | clad: you can approve files on WoWInterface? |
| 18:58.27 | jaxdahl | WoW-0.0.8-enUS-downloader.exe |
| 18:58.38 | jaxdahl | i had to log ini for it to download that |
| 18:58.46 | jaxdahl | s/ini/in/ |
| 18:59.03 | jaxdahl | 398mb |
| 19:00.06 | Trixer | Ale: I found a good "tracker" package at http://www.btiteam.org/ |
| 19:00.12 | Trixer | I think i might play around with it |
| 19:00.49 | jaxdahl | some bittorrent clients have their own trackers built in that you can use, i think |
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| 19:01.22 | Trixer | Jax: well I just wanted to make a palce for me and my friends to archive good torrents |
| 19:01.46 | mikma | cladhaire: uh, hot stuff =) |
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| 19:03.50 | cladhaire | So, do we support "NinjaPanel" as the name? |
| 19:04.14 | Trixer | I love this a 65mb torrent is 4 hours and a 1gig torrent is 1 hour |
| 19:04.34 | Trixer | I guess thats the diffrence between 1.6kbs and 175kbs lol |
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| 19:05.05 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 19:05.32 | mikma | cladhaire: of course *giggle* |
| 19:05.39 | Anaral | Is there a way to see what a realm's dailies are for that day without going in game? |
| 19:06.20 | Trixer | Whats dogtags? |
| 19:06.47 | alestane | Anaral: I don't think so. It's the same across realms AFAIK. |
| 19:06.48 | ckknight | ...sexually |
| 19:06.58 | jaxdahl | anaral, i very much doubt it |
| 19:07.00 | |Jelly| | oh baby |
| 19:07.08 | jaxdahl | and also i don't think it' sthe same across all realms |
| 19:07.22 | ckknight | and when I get that feeling |
| 19:07.23 | Anaral | alestane: I thought they differed between realms, but even better if they don't... |
| 19:07.30 | ckknight | I want sexual healing |
| 19:07.32 | ckknight | sexual healing, oh baby |
| 19:07.37 | ckknight | makes me feel so fine |
| 19:07.46 | |Jelly| | rofl |
| 19:07.46 | Anaral | I just want to know what the dailies are without having to travel to all the quest givers. |
| 19:09.25 | alestane | Anaral: You'd have to find a message board or something where they get posted. AFAIK there's no way to pull it off the Armory or anything. |
| 19:09.42 | kd3 | wowdailies.com |
| 19:10.09 | kd3 | 'course, it depends on people using it, but that site I've seen before |
| 19:10.39 | Anaral | Thanks, that was what I was thinking, except you're right Kd3, it depends on people using it, which they aren't. |
| 19:11.30 | kd3 | gogogo faster, damn you |
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| 19:13.16 | Trixer | ahh good old wget |
| 19:13.18 | Trixer | it rocks |
| 19:13.49 | jaxdahl | 0.0.8 download is going pretty slow |
| 19:15.58 | Trixer | cause you and everyone else in the world is currently trying to download it |
| 19:16.21 | Trixer | including but not limited to Mr. T and Ozzy.. and everyone knows they probally get special bandwith chunks just for themselves ;) |
| 19:16.34 | alestane | That actually makes it faster, on torrents. More likely it's slow because most other people who care are still trying to install the preliminaries. |
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| 19:16.44 | Lunessa | station |
| 19:16.50 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa! |
| 19:16.57 | Lunessa | Hey hey |
| 19:17.19 | Alfuin | anyone in charge of approving on WoWinterface? did a project rename, can i get it approved? |
| 19:17.36 | Dashkal | The news is known to ferals who were following, but this still amuses me: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13393670958&sid=1&pageNo=3#58 |
| 19:17.42 | Dashkal | Kitty with a fishing pole! |
| 19:19.38 | Alfuin | in Dalaran Sewer i have been an insect while fishing :D got strange looks and one "got screenshot" whispered :D |
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| 19:19.48 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 19:21.03 | Lunessa | Hah... I got my mastercrafted fishing pole, and I promise a beating to anything that jumps me while fishing. :) |
| 19:21.13 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 19:21.19 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/11/funny-pictures-telekinesiskitteh-plyz-wif-teh-fud/ |
| 19:21.44 | Alfuin | no WoWI admin here? |
| 19:21.46 | Dashkal | Lunessa: considering my druid is my fisher, not having to lose a GCD when I get jumped is a plus :p |
| 19:21.58 | Lunessa | Yeah, totally. :) |
| 19:22.02 | Trixer | GCD? |
| 19:22.05 | mikma | cladhaire: <Alfuin> no WoWI admin here? |
| 19:22.12 | Dashkal | Trixer: changing weapons in combat eats a global cooldown |
| 19:22.20 | Trixer | ahh ok |
| 19:22.23 | Alfuin | thanks mikma XD |
| 19:22.39 | Dashkal | I'll have a spare GCD once I get into the fight, but for my initial burst I'd rather not blow one |
| 19:23.26 | Dashkal | I'm totally amused that I can actually fight back when caught with a pole now :p |
| 19:23.30 | Corr-work | so |
| 19:23.31 | Trixer | I understand now.. I need to read over the new feral patches sense im playing a feral druid |
| 19:23.47 | Dashkal | Trixer: Cat or Bear? |
| 19:23.56 | Trixer | Cat Dash |
| 19:23.57 | Alfuin | ah well... being on irc doesn't mean they are not afk :D |
| 19:24.09 | Corr-work | when you are facing enemies strong enough that you think one GCD is valuable enough not to change your weapon... you're going to use a fishing pole and not your big bad weapon? |
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| 19:24.25 | Dashkal | Trixer: FAP conversion, kitty swipe. Any pot works in cat form without a powershift, and powershifting is useless. About sums up the changes |
| 19:24.50 | Dashkal | Corr-work: MOre that I want to get some CP ASAP for a maim so I can switch my weapon |
| 19:24.55 | mikma | alfuin: afaik, cladhaire is online atm |
| 19:25.03 | Corr-work | ah |
| 19:25.05 | Dashkal | and hot, or whatever. As it was if I got jumped while fishing I just died |
| 19:25.20 | Dashkal | well, fled, but same thing. |
| 19:25.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Any idea why lately wow has been bumping me to the "select a realm" screen -every- time when i log in? |
| 19:25.26 | Dashkal | maim, run, wait for the 6s, bird form :p |
| 19:25.35 | Corr-work | pvp realm? |
| 19:25.38 | Dashkal | yep |
| 19:25.53 | Trixer | Dash: Whats a power shift? |
| 19:25.59 | Alfuin | mikma, she might be busy (playing) |
| 19:26.06 | Dashkal | Trixer: obsolete trick where you would shift to caster than back to cat for an energy boost |
| 19:26.17 | Corr-work | obsolete now? why's that? |
| 19:26.20 | Trixer | Dash: Ahh ok... |
| 19:26.22 | Dashkal | Furor was changed |
| 19:26.29 | Corr-work | to what? |
| 19:26.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: energy regen continues out of form, furor merely change the limit on how much you retain |
| 19:26.41 | Dashkal | It no longer grants energy, what it does is let you keep the energy you already had. |
| 19:26.46 | Trixer | I think it stores energy now dosnt |
| 19:26.47 | Trixer | yeah |
| 19:26.56 | Corr-work | good. i hated powershifting. |
| 19:27.07 | Dashkal | Very smart change. Destroyed that clunky trick. I cheered. |
| 19:27.09 | Trixer | So you can fill up your energy go to caster form do what you need to do and shift back to cat form and not have to wait for it to refill |
| 19:27.11 | NightHawkTheSane | its still uesful, but only for breaking roots |
| 19:27.13 | cladhaire | I'm not a she |
| 19:27.18 | cladhaire | and your addon is already approved |
| 19:27.21 | Corr-work | i guess it won't matter to me, but it's good that other people don't have to put up with it |
| 19:27.21 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: which is the one intended use |
| 19:27.41 | Trixer | wait wait |
| 19:27.44 | Trixer | energy regen out of form? |
| 19:27.45 | Alfuin | thanks clad :D |
| 19:27.46 | Trixer | are you sure? |
| 19:28.32 | Lunessa | Yes, were sure cladhaire is not a she. |
| 19:29.03 | Corr-work | cladhaire is sexy enough for all people who like women, however |
| 19:29.05 | Trixer | Haha |
| 19:29.08 | Dashkal | Trixer: yes, your energy bar does regen while out of form (just like your mana bar regens while in form) |
| 19:29.15 | Lopeppeppy | I know the few females, cladhaire isn't one of us. *sniff* |
| 19:29.26 | Dashkal | get 5/5 furor and do some shifting in and out and you'll see |
| 19:29.29 | mikma | women want him so bad |
| 19:29.30 | Trixer | Dash: Im sure you know more, but I have observed that neither of that is true... |
| 19:29.39 | Trixer | Dash: is it only when you have furor? |
| 19:29.53 | Dashkal | Trixer: effectively, yes. Practically, it regens no matter what |
| 19:30.04 | Dashkal | But without furor shifting to cat empties the energy bar |
| 19:30.26 | Trixer | Dash: Ahh ok |
| 19:30.39 | Trixer | Im not high enough level yet to get furur.. |
| 19:30.40 | Dashkal | Basically you always have both an energy and a mana stat no matter what form you're in. This is how improved leader of the pack gives mana return and how furor allows you to keep the energy you have |
| 19:30.45 | Trixer | mana does seem to regen just very slowly |
| 19:31.29 | Dashkal | Sacrifice the points and take it. I'm dead serious. furor is AMAZING while leveling. What it comes down to is you shift into cat form with 100 energy while questing. That burst easily makes up for pretty much anything else |
| 19:31.42 | Corr-work | shouldn't be 'very slowly', or at least it wasn't in 2.4 |
| 19:31.51 | Corr-work | but you probably aren't wearing much spirit |
| 19:31.53 | Alfuin | off for now. thanks for help people! |
| 19:31.55 | Trixer | Dash: alright I will |
| 19:32.00 | Trixer | Corr: Naa im not |
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| 19:32.06 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, furor's great for the 10 extra rage alone |
| 19:32.16 | Trixer | NHtS: Agreed fully |
| 19:32.27 | Corr-work | i was glad i had it as a tank |
| 19:32.45 | NightHawkTheSane | furor->enrage was a great way to start a pull |
| 19:32.55 | NightHawkTheSane | is* |
| 19:32.56 | Dashkal | NHtS, Corr: Definitely. Furor is even more vital to a bear druid |
| 19:33.03 | Trixer | NHtS: I think thats really how its met to work haha |
| 19:33.45 | Trixer | I like my druid I killed 4 39s yesterday, granted they were retards but I still didnt die haha |
| 19:34.50 | Trixer | I jumped a mage and burned him down, then a war and a hunter attacked me so I rooted the war and killed the hunter.. really fast.. it was bad.. then I burned the war down from a distances about half way through that I got attacked by another druid in cat form. So I finished up the war and shifted to travel dip setted out and then cat formed stealthed up and came back and killed the druid while he was ressing the hunter haha! |
| 19:35.07 | Dashkal | Trixer: just be sure to read the tooltip carefully. I'm over-simplifying when I say you get to shift to cat form and have 100 energy. What it really does is not clear your energy when you shift in, so shifting out to heal and shifting back immediately won't give you 100, but rather whatever you regenerated while healing |
| 19:35.09 | Trixer | I was 41 mind you.. but it was still really good pvp by me and sad sucky pvp by them |
| 19:35.21 | Trixer | Dash: Yeah I know what it does lol |
| 19:35.33 | Dashkal | kk, seen many druids get confused by that one |
| 19:35.37 | Trixer | Dash: I understand fully |
| 19:37.52 | jaxdahl | my DK in tank gear with 5x tenacity in wintergrasp is pretty ridiculous |
| 19:38.12 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: I wanna try that sometime. |
| 19:38.15 | Trixer | Really I just wish all DKs heads would explode for one day |
| 19:38.28 | Dashkal | I can't seem to get my guild interested in wintergrasp... They always seem to do it when I'm not around :( |
| 19:38.29 | Trixer | just so I could go somewhere with out seeing a billion DKs |
| 19:41.18 | jaxdahl | i had 62k hp and was getting 6k howling blast crits |
| 19:41.19 | Trixer | the litch king must be pissed he probally dosnt have many soldiers left at the moment |
| 19:41.19 | Corr-work | too bad they made the eyes glowy. that's not nearly as cute as regular eyes. |
| 19:41.19 | mikma | i really dislike microphones, all they do is this "BZZZZZZZ" sound |
| 19:41.19 | Dashkal | I love my DK. I'm resisting going back to my druid to get her to 80 now |
| 19:41.19 | Trixer | Mikma, get a better mike or tell someone else ot get a better mike. |
| 19:41.19 | Corr-work | mikma: what do you mean? |
| 19:41.19 | mikma | well i try speaking to it. result is BZZZZZZZZZsomething i sayBZZZZZZZZ |
| 19:41.19 | mikma | headset mics are the suck |
| 19:41.19 | Corr-work | that's unusual. |
| 19:41.19 | Trixer | Get a better mike.. it sound sto me like you got a crack in it |
| 19:41.19 | Trixer | Mikma: No that dosnt happen to every headset mic, yours must be defaulty |
| 19:41.19 | mikma | this is brand new, but the headphones are cool |
| 19:41.19 | Corr-work | none of my headsets have done that, and i've tried a few -.- |
| 19:41.20 | Hirsute | move your iPhone across the room. |
| 19:41.20 | Trixer | Mikma: If its detacchable make sure its plugged in good and unplug it and plug it back in |
| 19:41.20 | Dashkal | beat me too it. Was wondering if that was interference |
| 19:41.20 | Trixer | Iphones really do that? |
| 19:41.20 | Corr-work | make sure you've got the volume set properly... how are you testing it? what are you listening to? |
| 19:41.20 | Hirsute | Most cell phones do it to some degree. |
| 19:41.20 | mikma | corr-work: my own voice through ventrilo setup |
| 19:41.20 | Trixer | Ohh my cellphone has never done it to me lol |
| 19:41.20 | mikma | and my cellphone ain't even near |
| 19:41.20 | Hirsute | iPhones are *horrible* about it though. |
| 19:41.24 | Corr-work | okay, make sure ventrilo isn't normalizing your input, and make sure it doesn't have the volume turned all the way up or something |
| 19:41.50 | Trixer | Also Mikma, see if you got noise cancling on or off.. that could be it tooo.. also make sure the mic isnt super close to your mouth no need for that.. |
| 19:41.55 | Hirsute | No more ideas from me with Vent... I raid with people who use TS. |
| 19:41.56 | mikma | this same happened with my Sound Blasted and with the builtin soundcard in mobo |
| 19:42.08 | mikma | trixer: where can i find that option then? |
| 19:42.28 | Trixer | Mikma, umm ultilty in vent, or mic options I dont really know where it is specfically |
| 19:42.45 | Corr-work | on the device itself possibly, otherwise ventrilo might have its own feature too, yeah |
| 19:43.02 | jaxdahl | what is the default port of the blizzard downoader? |
| 19:43.05 | zenzelezz | "No instance servers are available."... never seen that when trying to log in before. Guess it's instance version of "World server is down |
| 19:43.15 | Trixer | lol |
| 19:43.18 | Corr-work | indeed it is, zen |
| 19:43.29 | Trixer | instance version of world server? |
| 19:43.30 | jaxdahl | hmm |
| 19:43.46 | jaxdahl | now my 0.0.8 downloader is saying 'this download is not authorized' |
| 19:43.53 | zenzelezz | Trixer: no, of "World server is down" |
| 19:44.00 | Trixer | ahh ok |
| 19:44.06 | Hirsute | jaxdahl: default port is 3274 |
| 19:44.11 | Corr-work | authorized? o.o |
| 19:44.16 | Hirsute | ... or is it 3724... |
| 19:44.18 | Corr-work | nobody authorizes torrents |
| 19:44.18 | Hirsute | crud. |
| 19:44.41 | Corr-work | http://www.wowwiki.com/Blizzard_Downloader : When a large update is issued a Blizzard Downloader is downloaded to the WoW directory and it fetches the update file, using TCP ports 3724 and 6881. |
| 19:44.49 | jaxdahl | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=21705&rhtml=true?rhtml=y |
| 19:45.04 | Hirsute | stupid lysdexia |
| 19:45.54 | Trixer | Hir: sti lla doog i od eht emas gniht semitemos. |
| 19:46.07 | Dashkal | *facepalm* lots of druids just don't Get It.... |
| 19:46.19 | Dashkal | Whaa we lost our exclusive drops we won't get as much gear! |
| 19:46.27 | Trixer | Explain? |
| 19:46.32 | Trixer | just so I dont start whining too? |
| 19:46.35 | Dashkal | Or maybe we can roll on pretty much any DPS 2H now? |
| 19:46.50 | Hirsute | Trixer: Heh |
| 19:46.52 | Dashkal | Trixer: FAP is no longer an item stat. Druids gain feral attack power as a function of weapon DPS. |
| 19:46.54 | Trixer | Awesome, now I can start stealing things from pallys woot! |
| 19:47.08 | Trixer | Ahh Dash whats it convert to? |
| 19:47.19 | Dashkal | This means that warriors and hunters may start looking at "feral" staves. This also means we can look at 2H maces |
| 19:47.23 | Trixer | like how much fap per dps? |
| 19:47.25 | Dashkal | Trixer: Weapon DPS -> Feral attack power |
| 19:47.31 | Trixer | ahh ok |
| 19:47.33 | Dashkal | Dunno the exact conversion |
| 19:47.33 | Trixer | kewl! |
| 19:47.36 | Corr-work | more dps i get, the more i fap |
| 19:47.46 | Hirsute | ... I don't think I've ever seen a warrior using a stave. How common is that? |
| 19:47.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: people are idiots, thats all there is too it |
| 19:47.50 | NightHawkTheSane | to* |
| 19:47.53 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: agreed |
| 19:47.54 | Corr-work | staff, singular |
| 19:47.56 | Trixer | right so basicly the better the weapon the more damage you do in feral form makes sense |
| 19:48.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: until now, it's never happened, because staves have never beeen itemized for warriors |
| 19:48.12 | Hirsute | Corr-work: Thanks for catching that. It was staff in my head. |
| 19:48.13 | Dashkal | Hirsute: never happened that I'm aware of, except as a joke. But with this change it's actually a possibility |
| 19:48.18 | Corr-work | cool |
| 19:48.25 | Trixer | and people are complaining that fap was taken out so now they lost gear basicly correct? |
| 19:48.25 | Hirsute | Interesting |
| 19:48.31 | NightHawkTheSane | although I expect they'll probably stop itemizing dps staves now |
| 19:48.34 | NightHawkTheSane | and focus primarily on maces |
| 19:48.49 | NightHawkTheSane | (being that maces are the only 2 weapon druids, paladins, and warriors can use) |
| 19:48.53 | Dashkal | If they do that I'd strongly suggest they just remove staves from physical DPS classes |
| 19:48.57 | Hirsute | Meh. Blizz just wanted some good, solid QQ. Kill FAP, nerf the @#! out of BM hunters. |
| 19:49.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: why? |
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| 19:49.21 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: no more DPS staves? The skills become useless at 80+ |
| 19:49.22 | Trixer | lmao Bliz drinks the tears of QQers for immortality! |
| 19:49.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: FAP was a bad band-aid for a worse problem, anyway |
| 19:49.46 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: You're probably right. I haven't played my druid in years. |
| 19:49.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: there were never any to begin with, i dont think. |
| 19:49.49 | Dashkal | Agreed. I've been wondering why they used that stat for some time now. Scaling off of weapon DPS does work |
| 19:50.00 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I see the odd DPS green staff |
| 19:50.24 | Corr-work | staff, fap, hilarity abounds |
| 19:50.33 | NightHawkTheSane | well, originally FAP was added to simulate dps scaling. i dont know why they just didn't do it then, but maybe there were technological issues |
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| 19:50.58 | Dashkal | I'm guessing that. Especially since FAP hasn't been removed, just calculated differently. |
| 19:51.05 | NightHawkTheSane | it just created the new problem of "druid weapons" |
| 19:51.16 | Corr-work | what did they do with the old items, like the stranglestaff? |
| 19:51.26 | Dashkal | Well, it wasn't considered a problem at the time they did it. FAP started way back in Naxx40 |
| 19:51.37 | Dashkal | Corr-work: The FAP was converted to DPS |
| 19:51.42 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, pre-FAP, druids didn't scale off dps, the ONLY bonus they got was the raw stats on the weapon, which is part of the reason feral dps was such a joke |
| 19:51.53 | Tekkub | "Racial restrictions on mounts have now been lifted. Night elves on mechanostriders? Tauren on raptors? You're not seeing things." |
| 19:51.55 | Corr-work | does that make the staff interesting to other classes? |
| 19:52.00 | Tekkub | FUCK ME DADDY BEARDRUID |
| 19:52.05 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: It's the reason I used the manual crowd pummeler from gnomer all the way to 60. |
| 19:52.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: even before then, i think? i recall FAP in AQ weapons.. but i might be wrong |
| 19:52.30 | Corr-work | <expression of incredulity> they finally removed the racial mount restrictions? |
| 19:52.33 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: mmm, missed that. I just remember the End of Dreams being a wet dream to be at l60 |
| 19:52.36 | ZorbaTHut | whoa, seriously? |
| 19:52.40 | jaxdahl | it makes druids compete with now for Inevitable Defeat :( |
| 19:52.43 | ZorbaTHut | nice :D |
| 19:52.59 | Tekkub | they're also changing tapping to be caused by threat instead of damage |
| 19:53.15 | Tekkub | thank jeebus |
| 19:53.19 | Dashkal | Tekkub: about damn time. So sick of hearing the locks complain about tag thiefs |
| 19:53.21 | Corr-work | why is that important? |
| 19:53.29 | Corr-work | oh |
| 19:53.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=20580 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21268 |
| 19:53.39 | Dashkal | Corr-work: watch a lock dot something up. Hit it with a low-damage instant cast spell. You get tag, they get aggro |
| 19:53.43 | jaxdahl | mostly priests that it helps out |
| 19:53.49 | Dashkal | Epic suck |
| 19:53.52 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21407 |
| 19:53.54 | Corr-work | so, what, do dots cause threat immediately now? |
| 19:53.57 | jaxdahl | i always tagged stuff with my rogue when a priest put SWP on it |
| 19:54.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: FAP weapons from AQ20, AQ40 and emerald dragons |
| 19:54.05 | jaxdahl | dots will cause taps, yes |
| 19:54.21 | jaxdahl | i wonder if it will also tap social aggro |
| 19:54.27 | jaxdahl | or if that still counts as a body pull |
| 19:54.28 | Industrial | ok so whoever thought of putting red spots that kill you on LAVA? |
| 19:54.29 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: The dragons dropped a FAP staff?!? How did I miss that, I can remember looking over those tables since I was actually planning on joining a dragon raid |
| 19:54.30 | pompy | "We have added over 60 new graveyards to Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms." |
| 19:54.52 | Lopeppeppy | More graveyards = sexy fun. |
| 19:55.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: 1h mace, actually |
| 19:55.16 | Corr-work | death is sexy |
| 19:55.24 | pompy | "Taunt: Range increased to 30 yards." |
| 19:55.24 | Hirsute | yay for shorter corpse runs |
| 19:55.29 | Dashkal | "Players may now create death knights on any realm once they reach level 55. " Oh god YES |
| 19:55.43 | jaxdahl | i bet alliance will still end up at the westfall GY even more frequently |
| 19:56.07 | jaxdahl | paladins also got their single target taunt |
| 19:56.14 | Dashkal | Had that happen to a guildie who was running Occulus the other day. Wondering WTF happened |
| 19:56.15 | kd3 | ah, memories of beta and dying in crystalsong before they implemented any of its gys |
| 19:56.25 | jaxdahl | which is also useful as a tapping move |
| 19:56.39 | ZorbaTHut | pompy, got a link to that? |
| 19:56.45 | zenzelezz | so Slackware 12.2 was released, and Slashdot commenters are arguing over the lack of PAM. I like the comment: "The reason Pat doesn't like PAM: She left him and took the child processes with her." |
| 19:56.47 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.0.8 |
| 19:56.57 | ZorbaTHut | cool, thanks |
| 19:57.38 | Dashkal | "A new mailbox is now available at the Crows Tavern in the Dalaran Sewers. " Woot! I was bitching about that last night. I hearth down there to avoid the Darlalag |
| 19:58.07 | Dashkal | Dalarlag? hmm, must ponder this new word... |
| 19:58.31 | ZorbaTHut | hahahah |
| 19:58.33 | ZorbaTHut | "Remove Curse and Abolish Poison can now be used in Moonkin form." |
| 19:58.34 | Hirsute | It's a good word. |
| 19:58.39 | ZorbaTHut | I was *just asking about that yesterday* |
| 19:58.49 | Dashkal | "All rage and runic power are set to 0 when an Arena begins and the preparation period is over. " Oh good. Having to use that stupid deathcoil trick for an RP boost was stupid |
| 19:58.55 | jaxdahl | i assume they still cant' RC or AP in bear/cat? |
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| 19:59.10 | pompy | http://www.worldofraids.com/news/405.html |
| 19:59.17 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: I hope not. I like not having to decurse while doing DPS :p |
| 19:59.24 | Hirsute | Can you cast any non-feral spells in bear/cat? |
| 19:59.27 | pompy | Players can now open clams while riding a vehicle, sitting, mounted, stealthed, and invisible. |
| 19:59.28 | pompy | lol |
| 19:59.41 | kd3 | oh fail. they left a bugzilla id in the public bug reports |
| 19:59.46 | Hirsute | Now *that* is the one I've been waiting to see. |
| 19:59.50 | kd3 | "Shaman: Lava Lash - Fixed a bug which allowed you to use the ability even if you had a shield in offhand. Now requires a 1hand axe, fist or dagger to be able to be used. Bug #147699. " |
| 20:00.48 | Dashkal | Hirsute: Barkskin is the only power I'm aware of. (Aside from trinkets, pots, etc) |
| 20:01.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: nature's grasp, or whatever that is |
| 20:01.18 | Hirsute | Wow. I didn't realize barkskin was available outside of treeform |
| 20:01.20 | Dashkal | meep, that too |
| 20:01.28 | Hirsute | Interesting |
| 20:01.31 | Dashkal | Yep, it got opened up to give bears another Oh Shit button |
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| 20:01.38 | Hirsute | Aaah. |
| 20:01.44 | Hirsute | Can they only use it in the woods? |
| 20:01.47 | Thrae | Hirsute: Think about it. You're already in Tree Form, so your skin is already bark! |
| 20:01.50 | Dashkal | Nature's Grasp was a VERY welcome PvP change. No more wasted talent point |
| 20:01.52 | pompy | Fixed a bug with a Wild Mustard plant that was under the ground in Dalaran. |
| 20:01.54 | pompy | i remember that one |
| 20:02.02 | NightHawkTheSane | pompy: god i fucking hated that plant |
| 20:02.02 | ZorbaTHut | thrae, it grows extra bark on your bark |
| 20:02.05 | ZorbaTHut | it's like, bark-squared |
| 20:02.24 | ZorbaTHut | I heard you like bark, so I put some bark on your bark so you can tank while you tank |
| 20:02.27 | Corr-work | i most frequently used barkskin when casting Hurricane to pull a group of small enemies |
| 20:02.29 | pompy | lol |
| 20:02.30 | Thrae | I've always thought Tree Form should get innate Barkskin |
| 20:02.47 | Dashkal | "Corpse Explosion: Damage increased substantially, added 5 sec. cooldown, and changed cost to 40 runic power. " I'd like to see damage figures on that one. Considering adding it to my DPS build |
| 20:03.05 | Dashkal | An AoE RP dump is very welcome |
| 20:03.30 | Hirsute | Well, *I* liked my little joke. |
| 20:03.39 | Hirsute | Time for be to go back to studying cardiac pharmacology. |
| 20:03.42 | jaxdahl | i'm trying to figure out how to add it to my frost tank build |
| 20:03.44 | Dashkal | Hmm, if I can stretch that far I might want that for my blood tanking build, but I doubt it |
| 20:04.02 | Dashkal | woot! updated calculator, time to make me a blood tank build |
| 20:04.18 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, 2119 spell damage |
| 20:04.27 | Dashkal | "Death Pact now grants 40% instead of 20% healing. " That just made me more dangerous in PvP... |
| 20:04.53 | Shirik | So I have fallen in love with those disposable baking sheets |
| 20:05.03 | Corr-work | what's a baking sheet? |
| 20:05.16 | Shirik | a sheet that you put stuff on to bake? |
| 20:05.42 | jaxdahl | Dashkal, http://tinyurl.com/59dpm5 |
| 20:05.48 | Corr-work | are you asking me? |
| 20:06.00 | Shirik | http://heftybrands.pactiv.com/HeftyEZFoil/index.aspx |
| 20:06.10 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: woot, there's hope. |
| 20:06.23 | Corr-work | ah, cool, yeah. they're great for holding popcorn, too. |
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| 20:08.41 | Tem|work | Bibi`: ping |
| 20:08.42 | Dashkal | It's a start: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0055021533303313000201312513050000000000000000000000000235000000100000000000000000000&glyph=000000000000 |
| 20:09.01 | Tem|work | already doing blood tank specs, Dashkal ? |
| 20:09.06 | Dashkal | Tem|work: :p |
| 20:09.18 | Shirik | 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 20:09.31 | Tem|work | Dashkal: wtf at No Abom's might |
| 20:09.32 | Shirik | That's what we call a lazy programmer |
| 20:09.33 | Dashkal | Not entirely happy with that, but it's a starting point that hit everything I wanted |
| 20:09.37 | mikma | heh |
| 20:09.45 | Tem|work | and 12 points into Unh no Epidemic? |
| 20:09.46 | mikma | corpse explosion might be interesting in 3.0.8 |
| 20:10.00 | Tem|work | Bibi`: OMFG CHANGE YOUR GODDAMN TALENT CALC TO SUCK LESS |
| 20:10.06 | Tem|work | I has the best features |
| 20:10.10 | Tem|work | but blarg it's ugly |
| 20:10.30 | mikma | lol? |
| 20:10.32 | Tem|work | starting with the links imo |
| 20:10.34 | Dashkal | Tem|work: that's one of the things I'm gonna move things for. UH I have nothing to give on. Morb is required for D&D, Vicious for my death strikes. Dunno where I'll find the points |
| 20:10.42 | kd3 | and fix frostbite. gc already said it's not gonna reduce ffb's cast time |
| 20:10.49 | Dashkal | and I do want abom might |
| 20:10.59 | Tem|work | Dashkal: why? |
| 20:11.05 | Tem|work | not taking your raid buff seems like a mistake to me |
| 20:11.07 | Shirik | Base 64 encode the link at least |
| 20:11.13 | Shirik | have it not be 5 miles long |
| 20:11.16 | Dashkal | Tem|work: I do want it, just deciding what gives to get it |
| 20:11.18 | Tem|work | agreed, Shirik |
| 20:11.26 | Dashkal | Prolly blood aura |
| 20:11.28 | jaxdahl | or at least use tinyrul |
| 20:11.33 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0EZ0xZfg0G0fogcq0csut <- <3 <3 <3 |
| 20:11.34 | jaxdahl | tinyurl, when you spread the link around |
| 20:11.52 | Tem|work | definitely blood aura |
| 20:11.57 | Tem|work | oh shit |
| 20:12.03 | Tem|work | they didnt' change wotn |
| 20:12.12 | Tem|work | that just became an AWESOME talent |
| 20:12.26 | jaxdahl | dashkal, do you spec morbidity now? |
| 20:12.41 | Dashkal | Now I just need to suck up two more points for epidemic. jaxdahl: I do, the lower cooldown on D&D is vital to me |
| 20:12.46 | jaxdahl | do you notice massive lag issues when you have it specced and you use it on a large (10+) # of mobs |
| 20:12.50 | Tem|work | no 3/3 MoM? |
| 20:13.00 | mikma | tem|work: wotn? |
| 20:13.01 | Dashkal | Tem|work: I do now, just gave up DRW for it |
| 20:13.16 | Tem|work | probably a good call |
| 20:13.21 | Tem|work | you don't get threat from it |
| 20:13.22 | jaxdahl | dashkal, DRW+heart strike = 4x damage? |
| 20:13.25 | Dashkal | http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0055021533303313200001313503050000000000000000000000000235000000100000000000000000000&glyph=000000000000 |
| 20:13.27 | jaxdahl | assuming 2 mobs |
| 20:13.38 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: certainly, but thret is not a serious issue for me |
| 20:13.44 | Dashkal | I'd rather the better death strikes |
| 20:14.09 | jaxdahl | dashkal, comment on my previous message? |
| 20:14.09 | mikma | dashkal: do you need the 3/3 imp icy talons? |
| 20:14.14 | Tem|work | I don't think we get threat for our rune weapons, though |
| 20:14.19 | Tem|work | mikma: 20% slow |
| 20:14.34 | mikma | yes? |
| 20:14.35 | Dashkal | mikma: Not "Need" so much as "really want" It's helping mitigation |
| 20:14.56 | mikma | mmkaydokey! |
| 20:14.58 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: which comment did I miss? |
| 20:15.07 | jaxdahl | do you notice massive lag issues when you have it specced and you use it on a large (10+) # of mobs |
| 20:15.12 | Tem|work | if any of you have access to the game files, check DK glyphs to see which ones changed |
| 20:15.16 | jaxdahl | it specced = morbidity |
| 20:15.17 | Tem|work | jaxdahl: I do not |
| 20:15.32 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: No. I pull packs that size in shol doing my oracle dailies |
| 20:15.39 | Tem|work | I get lag on the "mist" floor effect |
| 20:15.41 | jaxdahl | i pulled all the whelps in onyxia's lair and got about 0.2 frames per second |
| 20:15.47 | jaxdahl | then got disconnected |
| 20:15.57 | jaxdahl | does not happen when i do not have that specced |
| 20:16.00 | Tem|work | like the one in VH |
| 20:16.04 | Dashkal | I have a decent graphics card (nvidia 8000 series, forget exactly which offhand) |
| 20:16.07 | Tem|work | and in a couple spots of HoS |
| 20:16.36 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: happens when specced morbidity? That's bizarre. All it does to D&D is reduce the cooldown, no art effects that I noticed |
| 20:16.50 | jaxdahl | dashkal, another user on EJ reported the issue as well |
| 20:17.09 | Dashkal | odd. Cannot confirm, doesn't happen to me that I've noticed |
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| 20:17.47 | jaxdahl | it is only really noticeable with a very high # of mobs |
| 20:18.00 | jaxdahl | other place i've noticed it is when we're on sartharion on the last 10% |
| 20:18.06 | Dashkal | Well, I'll try this and if the lack of epidemic hurts I'll give up improved icy and take an extra clicky talent and see how that goes |
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| 20:18.42 | kd3 | hm... what's the cookie-cutter frostfire spec atm? 0/39/32ish? |
| 20:19.12 | jaxdahl | http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t36998-dk_tanking_discussion/p32/#post1006218 |
| 20:19.23 | Dashkal | I'm not convinced that it's as vital as some make it out to be. At the point where the diseases run out I am ready to reapply anyway |
| 20:19.48 | Fisker- | "Paladin: Repentance: Avengerâs Shield no longer breaks Repentance, but unfortunately, Seal of Vengeance and Corruption damage will break it again. This will be corrected in a future patch." |
| 20:19.50 | Fisker- | o hai |
| 20:19.53 | Fisker- | we fixed a bug |
| 20:19.55 | Fisker- | created 2 new ones |
| 20:19.59 | Fisker- | gtfo our forums |
| 20:20.04 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: odd, hopefully they can get that fixed |
| 20:20.11 | Patrick_P | woot i recieved my copy of World of Wracraft Programming |
| 20:20.39 | Fisker- | if only i'd recieve my copy :( |
| 20:20.42 | Fisker- | but cladhaire is too greedy |
| 20:20.48 | Lopeppeppy | Patrick_P, it's an awesome book. |
| 20:21.09 | zenzelezz | I still can't figure who the killer is |
| 20:21.10 | alestane | Among other things, it mentions us. |
| 20:21.41 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel lurvs me. |
| 20:21.49 | Dashkal | Meh, the lack of subversion is going to be felt. I depend on those death strike crits |
| 20:21.55 | Tem|work | oh crapsticks |
| 20:21.58 | Tem|work | is that post right? |
| 20:22.06 | Tem|work | RuneStrike makes stuff that procs on white hits fail? |
| 20:22.30 | Tem|work | rather, KM, Scent of blood, etc, *can't* proc on rune strikes? |
| 20:22.34 | mikma | oh lol |
| 20:22.34 | NeoTron | jaxdahl: all I know is that when I tank a lot of mobs I get about 0.1-1 FPS |
| 20:22.40 | mikma | baby spice works on bosses |
| 20:22.58 | Dashkal | Tem|work: that is correct. A rune strike overrides the white, so white procs do not function (according to EJ) |
| 20:23.10 | Tem|work | well that's awesome |
| 20:23.21 | Tem|work | it justifies the talents I don't take in unholy and blood |
| 20:23.30 | Tem|work | and makes my decisions in frost easier |
| 20:23.33 | ccox | is that the same as how heroic strike works for warriors? |
| 20:23.48 | NeoTron | Dashkal: except from what I've seen rune strike still procs necrosis and BCB |
| 20:23.51 | Dashkal | hmm, I could drop spell deflection for subversion... |
| 20:23.56 | NeoTron | s/seen/read/ |
| 20:24.01 | Dashkal | NeoTron: Wouldn't be the first time EJ was wrong... |
| 20:24.09 | ccox | (or the last) |
| 20:24.10 | NeoTron | I read that on EJ |
| 20:24.12 | Dashkal | I've never tested it myself |
| 20:24.24 | Dashkal | Wouldn't be the first time EJ has conflicted with itself either |
| 20:24.47 | NeoTron | EJ just happens to be a forum with high level of moderation |
| 20:24.52 | Tem|work | http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0050000000000000000000000003250505130032112301205101351035200000100000000000000000000&glyph=000000000000 |
| 20:24.58 | NeoTron | that's why it's "different", not inherit "higher quality" :P |
| 20:25.03 | Dashkal | I mostly just use them for those lovely item weight charts they're so fond of making. Those tables + pawn = less thinking about which piece is better. |
| 20:25.15 | Lunessa | mikma: But the tooltip says "friendly" targets. |
| 20:25.23 | Dashkal | Tem|work: hungering cold? |
| 20:25.35 | Tem|work | I'm giving it a chance |
| 20:25.45 | Tem|work | it has ~5 instances to wow me |
| 20:25.55 | Dashkal | lemme know how that goes. Curious about how useful it is in tanking |
| 20:25.56 | Tem|work | or I'm putting the point in Subersion |
| 20:26.06 | Tem|work | Subversion |
| 20:26.07 | mikma | lunessa: well it works on *all* targets apparently :D just saw people in the raid my wife is throwing it on loatheb! |
| 20:26.16 | Dashkal | Acclimation? Not focusing on magic tanking then? |
| 20:26.42 | Dashkal | I'm considering droping my spell parry (Spell Deflection) for subversion using that as my excuse |
| 20:26.44 | Tem|work | acclimation I keep hear bad stuff about |
| 20:26.54 | jaxdahl | acclimation is just poor |
| 20:27.00 | jaxdahl | subject to low uptime and RNG |
| 20:27.04 | Dashkal | fair enough then |
| 20:27.12 | Tem|work | it was horribly broken the last time I used it |
| 20:27.21 | Dashkal | Should be set anyway between frost aura and the frost presence buff |
| 20:27.25 | Tem|work | something invisible was making it proc constantly for shadow damage |
| 20:27.28 | jaxdahl | you would only see a small difference on a fight like Sapphiron |
| 20:27.41 | Tem|work | and it wasn't procing for any other damage |
| 20:27.53 | jaxdahl | and IMO the talent points are better used elsewhere |
| 20:27.55 | Dashkal | Considering Sapphiron is exactly the kind of fight I'd get it for, gotcha, not worth it then |
| 20:27.57 | Tem|work | it seems like you'd really need constant damage to see a difference |
| 20:28.22 | Tem|work | at one point GC was talking about adding a rune strike damage buff to it |
| 20:28.23 | jaxdahl | it was better when it increased the resist of everyone |
| 20:28.25 | jaxdahl | in the raid |
| 20:28.33 | Tem|work | that's the last time I took it :) |
| 20:28.53 | Dashkal | hmm, another think I could consider getting rid of is my rune tap. Depend on vampiric blood and my healers to save my ass |
| 20:28.56 | Tem|work | Frost aura doesn't seem worth it either |
| 20:29.12 | mikma | frost aura gets armorboost! whee |
| 20:29.14 | Tem|work | it doesn't stack with pally auras |
| 20:29.16 | Dashkal | Straight up 80 resistance raid-wide would be nice for heavy AoE fights |
| 20:29.19 | Dashkal | true |
| 20:29.31 | Dashkal | But it does free up the paladins to use other auras |
| 20:29.39 | Tem|work | *nod* |
| 20:29.55 | Dashkal | You'd be able to weight the difference in resistance against the other aura rather than the entire resistance. Changes things |
| 20:29.57 | Tem|work | I was thinking of taking the 3 points I have in HC and Frost Aura to put them in subversion |
| 20:30.36 | Tem|work | 3/3 subversion (and the stuff I've got in frost) gives you + 24% chance to crit with Oblit from talents alone |
| 20:30.56 | NeoTron | Dashkal: of course paladins and shammies give you 130 resist |
| 20:31.10 | NeoTron | so that 80 resist is pretty pathetic unless you have a fight with many damage schools |
| 20:31.13 | Dashkal | NeoTron: so compare 50 resist against devotion aura or whichever they'd use |
| 20:31.30 | Tem|work | mm |
| 20:31.39 | Tem|work | 80 resist does have an advantage over 130 |
| 20:31.52 | NeoTron | can be used on sapphiron |
| 20:31.55 | Tem|work | you can get The One Hundred Club achievement with frost aura |
| 20:32.06 | NeoTron | also it competes against the 75 resist from a talented druid MotW |
| 20:32.11 | jaxdahl | 80 resist isn't much of |
| 20:32.15 | jaxdahl | what neotron said |
| 20:32.42 | NeoTron | for two talent points in trees that typically have things you must skip, it's pretty bad |
| 20:33.18 | Dashkal | Oh yeah, forgot about MoTW (odd since we've had this discussion before and that was brought up) Nevermind FA unless in 10 mans then |
| 20:33.30 | Dashkal | And not even then for my guild, one of our healers is a druid |
| 20:33.46 | jaxdahl | FA is a maybe for Sartharion hard mode... fire and shadow damage |
| 20:34.23 | Tem|work | so anyway |
| 20:34.24 | jaxdahl | acclimation could be useful there. |
| 20:34.25 | Tem|work | GLYPHS |
| 20:34.26 | NeoTron | jaxdahl: if you don't have a druid, or priest, or.. yeah |
| 20:34.31 | Tem|work | I must know what glyphs |
| 20:34.41 | jaxdahl | i'm eager to see the 3.0.8 DK glyph changes |
| 20:34.42 | Tem|work | changed |
| 20:34.51 | NeoTron | Tem|work: Glyph of Scourge Strike is awesome! |
| 20:34.53 | NeoTron | :) |
| 20:34.54 | Tem|work | I was hoping mmo-c would have it posted |
| 20:34.55 | Dashkal | Tem|work: waiting on that myself :p |
| 20:35.05 | Tem|work | Bibi`: ping, damn you |
| 20:35.15 | NeoTron | ... because desecration sucks in most real world situations |
| 20:35.45 | NeoTron | even disregarding all issues with mobility and forced plague strike use... it makes it nearly impossible to see ground aoe effects |
| 20:35.55 | Tem|work | Oh wow I didn't notice this the first time |
| 20:35.56 | Tem|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.59 | NeoTron | which can be a death sentence in raids especially |
| 20:36.03 | jaxdahl | 0.0.8 PTR download is still bitching at me that it is not authorized. stuck at 35.5mb |
| 20:36.42 | Dashkal | Descration... I hate that talent so much |
| 20:36.57 | Cide | desecration is nice while leveling |
| 20:37.02 | Dashkal | Hard to use, annoying to have it used on me... enough of a DPS boost to make it useful... |
| 20:37.09 | Tem|work | I dislike it as well |
| 20:37.12 | NeoTron | but yeah remove desecration and glyph of SS becomes really nice |
| 20:37.44 | NeoTron | Dashkal: it's not really though, if you take into account things like moving, breaking rotations to use PS, speccing for shorter diseases so PS naturally is used at the right time etc |
| 20:37.49 | Tem|work | I'm kind of sad about the CE change |
| 20:38.00 | NeoTron | Tem|work: seems like it might make it useful / worth taking |
| 20:38.00 | Tem|work | I had my fingers crossed for it to be a UF cost |
| 20:38.01 | Bibi` | Tem|work |
| 20:38.10 | Bibi` | you've got 1 minute to convince me that I didn't get out of my bed for nothing |
| 20:38.14 | Bibi` | after 1 minute, your IP banned from the site |
| 20:38.14 | Bibi` | go. |
| 20:38.22 | Tem|work | Bibi`: :) |
| 20:38.30 | NeoTron | if it was UF it would have to do a lot more damage and might be OP. like howling blast |
| 20:38.33 | Lopeppeppy | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/11/funny-pictures-spoiled-yur-doin-it-rite/ < - my cat totally wants this |
| 20:38.41 | NeoTron | Bibi`: do you have a pager/alarm set up to IRC or something? :P |
| 20:38.48 | Bibi` | no, sixth sense |
| 20:38.49 | Dashkal | NeoTron: this is true. Though I don't know the unholy rotations well enough to understand why that's a rotation breaker. I'll take your word for that |
| 20:38.53 | Bibi` | the kid saw dead people |
| 20:38.54 | NeoTron | handy |
| 20:38.55 | Tem|work | Bibi`: if you've got ptr files, We would <3 seeing the changes to DK glyphs |
| 20:38.57 | Bibi` | I can see dumb people. |
| 20:39.03 | Tem|work | Bibi`: if you're sleeping, go back to sleep |
| 20:39.08 | Tem|work | I do the same thing when people ping me |
| 20:39.11 | NeoTron | Dashkal: ah because it costs an unholy rune |
| 20:39.15 | Bibi` | Increases the duration of your Horn of Winter ability by 1 min. |
| 20:39.34 | Tem|work | how about AMS? |
| 20:39.40 | Bibi` | yeah |
| 20:39.41 | Dashkal | NeoTron: I figured. I just haven't looked into the larger rotation. From the perspective of blood PS belongs in my rotation |
| 20:39.43 | NeoTron | Dashkal: diseases lasts longer than desecration so you have to either get less than full uptime or use plague strike earlyu, which removes a use of scourge strike |
| 20:39.46 | Bibi` | use acronyms on a guy who didn't sleep for 40 hours |
| 20:39.48 | Bibi` | good idea, make him happy. |
| 20:39.54 | Tem|work | GC said something about removing the downsides on some glyphs |
| 20:39.58 | Tem|work | Anti-Magic Shield |
| 20:40.02 | jaxdahl | glyph of antimagic shell |
| 20:40.05 | NeoTron | Dashkal: but even with blood you don't use PS every 12 seconds |
| 20:40.10 | Tem|work | shell* sorry |
| 20:40.15 | Bibi` | Increases the duration of your Anti-Magic Shell by 5 sec but increases the cooldown by 15 sec. |
| 20:40.17 | Bibi` | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.19 | Bibi` | new at bottom |
| 20:40.25 | kd3 | oh bibi; gc already confirmed that frostbite isn't going to affect frostfire bolt |
| 20:40.26 | Tem|work | ouch |
| 20:40.31 | Tem|work | they nerfed it |
| 20:40.33 | Dashkal | NeoTron: I do too. Not like I have anything else to spend that U rune on |
| 20:40.36 | NeoTron | so they really made that glyph useless |
| 20:40.38 | jaxdahl | so a 30 second cooldown |
| 20:40.48 | jaxdahl | er,misread |
| 20:40.50 | Bibi` | kd3: Bibi already reported GC post |
| 20:40.58 | NeoTron | Dashkal: obliterate for example |
| 20:41.03 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13392251040&pageNo=3&sid=1#49 <-in b4 more CM's being keylogged and posting keyloggers |
| 20:41.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (n=Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 20:41.25 | Dashkal | My rotation is IT/PS/HS/HS/(DS|Oblit)/Runic, IT/PS/HS/HS/HS/HS/Runic |
| 20:41.55 | Tem|work | I've been calling it AMS for so long that I forgot the S was shell isntead of shield |
| 20:42.00 | jaxdahl | blood spec can get AMS down to 33 seconds |
| 20:42.03 | Tem|work | Bibi`: also, who does your talent calc? |
| 20:42.09 | Tem|work | it's got the best features |
| 20:42.13 | Tem|work | but blarg it's ugly |
| 20:42.15 | Dashkal | I very rarely DS twice, since having four death runes fucks up my rotation (they don't spend in a sane manner) |
| 20:42.24 | NeoTron | Dashkal: then you have a spec that doesn't include longer diseases |
| 20:42.24 | Bibi` | Tem|work: feel free to redesign it |
| 20:42.29 | Fisker- | why must google suck? |
| 20:42.35 | NeoTron | Dashkal: and then I must ask.. what do you spec instead? :P |
| 20:42.40 | Bibi` | and you know what's great? |
| 20:42.43 | Bibi` | you can do it for FREE! |
| 20:42.50 | Tem|work | I think the easiest change would be to base64 encode the urls |
| 20:43.00 | Tem|work | =P |
| 20:43.33 | Dashkal | NeoTron: I do have epidemic, actually. Mostly for my AoE rotation. Also allows me a little leeway when I run over 10s in a rotation thanks to my runic dump (Sudden Doom) |
| 20:43.41 | Bibi` | F:\Documents and Settings\Bibi\Bureau>findstr Glyph diff308.txt > glyph308.txt |
| 20:43.44 | Bibi` | lucky you Tem|work |
| 20:43.49 | Bibi` | I'll do it just because I like you! |
| 20:43.59 | Tem|work | Bibi`: <3 |
| 20:44.38 | NeoTron | so why do you renew it/ps prematurely? |
| 20:44.40 | Dashkal | NeoTron: In my "pvp" gear: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Maelstrom&n=Dashkal |
| 20:44.50 | Dashkal | Because extra death runes screw up my rotation |
| 20:45.01 | Cidan | so |
| 20:45.07 | Cidan | when I read "rotation" |
| 20:45.09 | Dashkal | when I have BBDDDD, hitting a FU power eats both unholy runes, which is kinda bizarre |
| 20:45.12 | Cidan | I thought to my self |
| 20:45.12 | Tem|work | Dashkal: I think rune tap might be where I'd steal points from your build as well |
| 20:45.23 | Dashkal | Tem|work: that's under serious consideration |
| 20:45.24 | Cidan | texture rotation and affine matrix |
| 20:45.27 | Dashkal | and would get me my epidemic |
| 20:45.42 | Tem|work | ~nerd Cidan |
| 20:45.52 | Cidan | ~fail Tem|work |
| 20:45.53 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Tem|work. I hate you because you fail. |
| 20:46.01 | Tem|work | Banana Syndicate |
| 20:46.02 | Tem|work | nice |
| 20:46.02 | Dashkal | Cidan: That right there makes me so very glad that Java2D handles that for me. I cannot seem to handle matrix math |
| 20:46.09 | Dashkal | :p |
| 20:46.20 | jaxdahl | has anyone been able to download the 0.0.8 ptr patch? |
| 20:46.32 | Cidan | 0.0.8? |
| 20:46.43 | jaxdahl | yes 0.0.8 |
| 20:46.53 | jaxdahl | ptr starts with 0 |
| 20:46.58 | Cidan | What manner of voodoo is this? |
| 20:47.06 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.0.8 |
| 20:47.08 | Tem|work | Dashkal: armor pen and block value :( |
| 20:47.11 | Dashkal | NeoTron: If my DPS falls too far behind once we get into naxx, I'll switch to the cookie-cutter Blood/Frost build, but in heroics it's decent enough that I can get away with mine |
| 20:47.13 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors_(PTR) |
| 20:47.14 | NeoTron | Dashkal: then you're slow ... since by the time the IT/PS runes are available they are the only two runes available |
| 20:47.24 | Dashkal | Tem|work: I know I know, they're getting replaced. But that's quest rewards |
| 20:47.27 | Cidan | Players may now create death knights on any realm once they reach level 55. |
| 20:47.29 | Cidan | hah |
| 20:47.49 | Dewin | what happneed to patches 3.0.4 - 3.0.7 |
| 20:47.50 | Dewin | heh |
| 20:48.03 | ZorbaTHut | dewin, internal prototypes, presumably |
| 20:48.20 | Dashkal | NeoTron: *nods* I _am_ slow. Blood has too many procs otherwise. Not enough time for my runic dump. Dummy testing still says I'm better off in blood presence despite going over 10s a rotation |
| 20:48.28 | jaxdahl | i'm just wondering why blizzard stopped my download of the patch |
| 20:48.34 | NeoTron | basically you'll get: BBFFUU => BBF*U* => **F*U* => ****** => ***F*U => BB*F*U => BBDFDU after the first rotation |
| 20:48.43 | Dewin | Zorba: Not unusual, but that's a *lot* of consecutive internals :) |
| 20:48.59 | Dashkal | But *shrugs* I'll give that rotation a try and get back to you, I might just be insane here |
| 20:49.13 | Dashkal | I rather hope I am, because avoiding BBDDDD is a pain |
| 20:49.20 | kd3 | ah, I almost wish we could change runes... the talked about FUFUFU style would've been amusing to play |
| 20:49.36 | NeoTron | IT/PS/OB/HS/HS/*DC OB/HSx4/DC <repeat> |
| 20:49.59 | NeoTron | unless you spend way too long time to use refreshed runes, that doesn't get messed up |
| 20:50.10 | mikma | did bibi` put the glyph changes up somewhere yet? |
| 20:50.12 | Dashkal | Hmm, even with epidemic my frost fever and blood plague will likely run out before the last of the heart strikes (sudden doom proc) |
| 20:50.24 | Dashkal | but that is probably still worth it |
| 20:50.31 | NeoTron | dps or tanking? |
| 20:50.34 | Dashkal | OB isn't an option with my build |
| 20:50.53 | Dashkal | DPS, tanking won't happen until 3.0.8 goes live |
| 20:51.00 | Dewin | Nice patch notes. |
| 20:51.07 | NeoTron | regardless, with blood prescence you should expect to have full runic power and usually not use sudden doom DC's right when they proc |
| 20:51.12 | Dewin | aside from the hunter nerfs, but we'll see how bad they really are |
| 20:51.24 | NeoTron | with unholy prescence you use SD immediately ans always burn off all DC's between rotations |
| 20:51.28 | NeoTron | you have to pick either |
| 20:51.30 | kd3 | sigh. the damn patcher needs to not be stupid and only show "Please enable JavaScript" when I've got it disabled |
| 20:51.31 | Dashkal | I use my procs as soon as I use my last rune, then I spam DC until empty unless I'm saving for a DRW |
| 20:51.44 | NeoTron | you can't use blood prescence and expect to use all runic power / SD procs as they show up or you'll waste rune cooldowns |
| 20:52.14 | Tem|work | I'm not sure about that NeoTron |
| 20:52.16 | NeoTron | basically unholy => more damage from death coil, blood => very likely have to not use all runic power |
| 20:52.23 | Dashkal | As talented as my DC is, missing a rune cooldown by a second or two doesn't destroy my DPS. Death Coil makes up a very large chunk of my DPS (third, close behind white and heart strike) |
| 20:52.23 | Tem|work | There was a theory |
| 20:52.26 | kd3 | holy hell; they redid wine's site |
| 20:52.27 | Tem|work | that I haven't tested |
| 20:52.33 | Tem|work | but it goes like this |
| 20:52.34 | NeoTron | Tem|work: you don't have time to use three death coils in a rotation |
| 20:52.46 | Dewin | Anybody know if 3.0.8 fixes the framelevel bug? |
| 20:52.49 | NeoTron | and that's not even using SD as it procs but at the end of each rotation |
| 20:53.01 | Tem|work | Rune cooldowns aren't always 10s |
| 20:53.08 | NeoTron | I am aware |
| 20:53.12 | Tem|work | they're 1.5s when you miss |
| 20:53.19 | Dashkal | Tem|work: if you miss your cooldown by under 2s, yeah, it's basically a freebee |
| 20:53.20 | Tem|work | but that's not what I'm talking about |
| 20:53.20 | NeoTron | you shouldn't miss ;-) |
| 20:53.24 | Dashkal | Which I try to stay inside |
| 20:53.36 | Cidan | Hand of Reckoning (NEW): Available on trainers at level 16. It.s a 30 yard range taunt that causes Holy damage. |
| 20:53.39 | Cidan | uh |
| 20:53.41 | Cidan | What. |
| 20:53.42 | Cidan | What's the point? |
| 20:53.49 | NeoTron | Cidan: single target taunt for paladin |
| 20:54.00 | kd3 | pallies have been qqing for a single-target taunt for how long now? |
| 20:54.02 | Tem|work | Cidan: it does damage to break CC. And it's Single Target Conventional taunt |
| 20:54.04 | NeoTron | Cidan: rather than the 3 target taunt thing which often can be rather bad |
| 20:54.19 | Bibi` | Tem|work: glyph changes up, hug? |
| 20:54.28 | Tem|work | Bibi`: <3 |
| 20:54.30 | Fisker- | kd3 |
| 20:54.34 | Dashkal | Danke |
| 20:54.34 | Cidan | but but but |
| 20:54.36 | Cidan | more is better. |
| 20:54.39 | Cidan | MORE IS BETTER |
| 20:54.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: its also a ranged pull for ret |
| 20:54.41 | Bibi` | butt? |
| 20:54.41 | Bibi` | no |
| 20:54.42 | Bibi` | just a hug. |
| 20:54.43 | Fisker- | whats the progress on getting the "y so srs?" emote implemented? |
| 20:54.51 | kd3 | rofl |
| 20:54.55 | Cidan | oh man. |
| 20:55.01 | Cidan | I'm all for /serious |
| 20:55.07 | NeoTron | Tem|work: anyhow, back to what you were saying. what theory? :P |
| 20:55.23 | Tem|work | Bibi`: am I overlooking them? |
| 20:55.26 | Dashkal | Bleh, death strike glyph nerfed. That'll get swapped out now |
| 20:55.31 | Cidan | Levitate is now castable on others. |
| 20:55.33 | Cidan | !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:55.35 | NeoTron | Dashkal: some has shown too that death runes aren't really necessary for a good blood dps build. I.e in some cases it's better just to use obliterate when available |
| 20:55.36 | Bibi` | Tem|work : no, theyre hidden in new spells |
| 20:55.40 | Cidan | <3 Priests now! |
| 20:55.44 | Tem|work | oh there they are |
| 20:55.53 | mikma | link please :) |
| 20:55.58 | Dewin | Cidan: so is Slowfall |
| 20:56.05 | Dashkal | NeoTron: Oblit only works if you have ... spelling fail. That frost talent. Otherwise it _has_ to be at the end of the rotation |
| 20:56.14 | Dewin | And warlock portals can be reused for multiple summons for 5 minutes |
| 20:56.18 | NeoTron | Dashkal: but I think ppl that show better DPS with obliterate has the obliterate/ss sigil from 25-man naxx + 2-4 piece t7 |
| 20:56.20 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, glyph of horn of winter, now increases duration by 1m, i totally called that one. |
| 20:56.29 | Dashkal | And I do use it at the end, making my first round IT/PS/HS/HS/Runic/Oblit |
| 20:56.32 | NeoTron | Dashkal: obviously yes |
| 20:56.36 | Dewin | Now even less reason for warlocks to need a bag of soulshards... where's my hunter quiver update :-/ |
| 20:57.06 | Bibi` | Dewin: I think they added it in an earlier patch |
| 20:57.08 | NeoTron | Dewin: summoning was never a large source for soul shard use sicne summoning stonmes |
| 20:57.12 | Cidan | Ritual of Summoning: Will now create a summoning portal object which can be re-used for multiple summons for 5 minutes. |
| 20:57.22 | Bibi` | Dewin: Quiver update here - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34334 |
| 20:57.42 | NeoTron | Dewin: the main shard cost is resummoning pets after wipes and such - especially painful on bosses like brutallus and felmyst with no or limited trash |
| 20:58.11 | NightHawkTheSane | so uh, is it even possible to get 100 mounts? >.> |
| 20:58.14 | NeoTron | Dewin: and you get a benefit from your quiver too with increased damage where locks just waste a slot... |
| 20:58.18 | NightHawkTheSane | or, for that matter, 100 minipets? |
| 20:58.32 | Dashkal | Tem|work: hmm, if I drop my rune tap (not really married to that) I can pick up epidemic no problem, but then I have two floating points. I was thinking of unholy command for the more frequent grips, any other suggestions? |
| 20:58.39 | Dashkal | erm, nevermind |
| 20:58.47 | Tem|work | I wouldn't take UC |
| 20:58.50 | Tem|work | it seems so bleh |
| 20:58.53 | Dashkal | breaks my blood tree, can't do that regardless |
| 20:58.56 | NeoTron | Dewin: although I will say that requiring two classes to haev a dedicated bag for something like that is dumb by itself. one of my favorite things in playing a DK |
| 20:58.58 | Tem|work | oh heh |
| 20:59.02 | kd3 | hokay. interface diffs going out in a minute |
| 20:59.07 | kd3 | anyone not on my list want a copy? |
| 20:59.10 | Dashkal | I'd _have_ to take spell deflection back |
| 20:59.18 | NeoTron | Tem|work: it's quite damn nice :P |
| 20:59.32 | Bibi` | kd3: me! me! |
| 20:59.35 | Dewin | NeoTron: My issue is that outside of raiding, and even in some raiding, a warlock does not need a shard bag (and can get by with ~6 shards -- an acceptable required number of class reagents IMHO), whereas hunters have to sacrifice 16+ inventory spaces that they cannot use for anything else because we're balanced to assume we'll always have that 15% haste |
| 20:59.36 | Tem|work | Oh, NeoTron |
| 20:59.39 | Tem|work | Rune cooldowns |
| 20:59.41 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.52 | Dewin | I've posted my suggestions on the matter before: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13129159620&sid=1 |
| 21:00.36 | NeoTron | Gotta Go! is being changed to 4 minutes btw |
| 21:00.37 | Tem|work | the cooldown of a used rune (on an ability that didn't miss ect) MIN( 8, 10 - timeSinceActivation) |
| 21:00.42 | Dewin | the *simplest* fix would be to modify crafted quivers or add new quiver recipes (and possibly soul bags as well) to add, say, 8 regular bag slots in addition to the quiver slots. |
| 21:00.56 | Tem|work | where timeSinceActivation is the last time that rune came out of a "full" cooldown |
| 21:01.08 | Tem|work | (i.e. not a 1.5s "you missed" cooldown) |
| 21:01.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: i've long thought the "ammo" slot should accept ammo/soul bags. *shrug* |
| 21:01.25 | Dewin | don't forget warlock imp pets don't require a shard to summon. |
| 21:01.47 | Tem|work | NeoTron: that effectively allows you to sneak 1 GCD abilties into your rune rotation without screwing it up |
| 21:01.49 | Cidan | any major changes to the UI/API in 3.0.8? |
| 21:02.02 | kd3 | you want a copy of the diff? |
| 21:02.05 | NeoTron | Dewin: but many specs don't use imps |
| 21:02.05 | Tem|work | probably not |
| 21:02.13 | Tem|work | the big changes will come in 3.1 with dual talents imo |
| 21:02.14 | Cidan | neh, it's fine, I doubt it's anything big. |
| 21:02.18 | Tem|work | speaking of which |
| 21:02.30 | kd3 | it's a 6k diff |
| 21:02.33 | ScytheBlade1 | tiny |
| 21:02.34 | Cidan | wow |
| 21:02.35 | kd3 | 7k line |
| 21:02.36 | Tem|work | how many ZOMG NO DUAL TALENTS IN THIS BUILD? posts will we see today? |
| 21:02.38 | kd3 | er, 6k line* |
| 21:02.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|work: lots |
| 21:02.46 | Cidan | well then, maybe yes. =D |
| 21:02.51 | Tem|work | god people are dumb |
| 21:02.52 | Shirik | They said first content patch |
| 21:02.53 | Shirik | this is not a content patch |
| 21:03.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|work: enough to make ghostcrawler cry. |
| 21:03.07 | Tem|work | Shirik: I'm fully aware |
| 21:03.08 | Tem|work | but... |
| 21:03.12 | NeoTron | but I think I can stick to tanking spec since it doesn't seem we have any DPS issues on Malygos as I feared we would |
| 21:03.15 | Tem|work | YOU MUST BE FROST TO TANK |
| 21:03.16 | Tem|work | *stab* |
| 21:03.30 | Tem|work | I'm tempted to spec Blood for tanking Malygos |
| 21:03.31 | Dewin | Nighthawkthesane: I like that idea. |
| 21:03.41 | Tem|work | 33s AMS cooldown would be awesome |
| 21:03.48 | Shirik | really, Tem|afk, Alliance can't be tanks anyway |
| 21:03.49 | kd3 | emails out |
| 21:03.56 | Shirik | they qq too much |
| 21:03.57 | Dewin | Though my second suggestion on the forums is kind of the same thing handled a different way |
| 21:04.18 | Tem|work | His breath thing in phase 1 just screams DK tank to me |
| 21:04.19 | nevcairiel | I dont see a difference in QQing on any faction =P |
| 21:04.27 | Shirik | you're probably alliance, nevcairiel |
| 21:04.39 | Shirik | you refuse to admit the shame that is the alliance |
| 21:04.49 | Tem|work | crapsticks, kd3 |
| 21:04.51 | nevcairiel | We use a big bad bear tank for malygos, 12% magic mitigation as well |
| 21:04.57 | Tem|work | I don't have anything that can open gzip at work |
| 21:05.16 | kd3 | windows can't do it? |
| 21:05.16 | kd3 | o_O |
| 21:05.17 | Dewin | winrar? |
| 21:05.20 | nevcairiel | not gzip |
| 21:05.22 | nevcairiel | only zip |
| 21:05.25 | Tem|work | I don't have winrar |
| 21:05.25 | kd3 | fail |
| 21:05.29 | Tem|work | and I can't install |
| 21:05.35 | Tem|work | yay for work being faggots |
| 21:05.37 | kd3 | sending out a zipped version in a sec |
| 21:05.39 | Dewin | can't install or can't run an EXE? |
| 21:05.43 | alestane | Downloading "WoW-0.0.8-enUS-patch.app"...This download is not authorized. |
| 21:05.50 | Tem|work | can't install |
| 21:05.54 | Shirik | nevcairiel: winrar can open gzip |
| 21:06.00 | Shirik | I do it all the time |
| 21:06.00 | Tem|work | I could probably run an exe |
| 21:06.05 | Dewin | Tem: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/gzip.htm |
| 21:06.19 | nevcairiel | Shirik: besides the point that windows cannot =P |
| 21:06.37 | Shirik | oh that was right after Dewin so I figured that's what you were talking about |
| 21:07.35 | Dewin | I have a relatively complete set of win32 ports of the basic linux cmdline installed |
| 21:07.43 | mikma | Thank you for placing an order with the Blizzard Store! <- wheeee :D |
| 21:08.10 | Dewin | from sed to bash to make ;) |
| 21:08.10 | kd3 | hokay, round #2 is out |
| 21:08.11 | jaxdahl | alestane, me too |
| 21:08.21 | nevcairiel | Blizzard_GMChatUI? |
| 21:08.23 | Dashkal | Heh, damage control: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13393781472&sid=1 |
| 21:09.28 | bnovc | Dewin: i.e. cygwin |
| 21:10.36 | kd3 | tem; that second email come through? |
| 21:10.58 | Dewin | bnovc: actually, aka mingw+msys. no external dlls required |
| 21:11.19 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: gzip for life! |
| 21:11.25 | Dashkal | " * Toughness now increases stamina by 3/5/7/10/30/50. (Old - Increased health by 30/50/70/100/300/500)" |
| 21:11.30 | Dashkal | I likey |
| 21:11.40 | Dewin | Nice change |
| 21:11.42 | kd3 | sbo; oh I agree, thus my comment in the body of email #2 |
| 21:11.45 | Codayus_ | Few lovely changes in the patch notes. |
| 21:11.47 | jaxdahl | yea, affect by kings |
| 21:11.51 | Codayus_ | But then, I play a priest and a DK. |
| 21:11.53 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: yeah, just adding to the cause.. |
| 21:11.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|work: suck less! |
| 21:12.08 | ckknight | kd3: you shouldn't've caved to the windows users |
| 21:12.09 | Codayus_ | Sorry, a *DISC* priest and a DK. |
| 21:12.10 | NeoTron | so any idea if DK's will be worse tanks or better thanks with the mitigation changes? |
| 21:12.18 | Dashkal | Codayus_: few lovely changes? I take it you're a pvp DK? |
| 21:12.38 | Dashkal | I'm hoping for a nice, _quick_ PTR cycle |
| 21:12.43 | jaxdahl | so is that GM UI some type of separate messaging window for talking to a GM instead of doing it via whispers? |
| 21:12.56 | Tem|work | ScytheBlade1: I have no control over my OS at work |
| 21:13.08 | Codayus_ | Dashkal: If anything, pvp DKs got nerfed, pve seems fine to me. |
| 21:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|work: pretty sure there are run in place win32 gzip utils... many of them |
| 21:13.17 | jaxdahl | dashkal, i think they are trying to push this live before the new arena season starts |
| 21:13.23 | jaxdahl | due to all those mana drain/gain changes |
| 21:13.35 | ScytheBlade1 | + self:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM"); |
| 21:13.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 21:14.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Is that new? |
| 21:14.27 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: *nods* appears so |
| 21:15.08 | Codayus_ | NeoTron: Unholy is about the same at current gear levels, overall. Frost is a little stronger, and probably best overall for tanking. Blood is a lot stronger; still sucks. That's my take. |
| 21:15.08 | jaxdahl | ScytheBlade1, no |
| 21:15.09 | Tem|work | actually, that seems more than fine to me |
| 21:15.09 | Cidan | Tem|work: www.7-zip.org |
| 21:15.18 | Cidan | jeez |
| 21:15.18 | Cidan | er |
| 21:15.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ in the GMChatFrame <OnShow>, GetGMTicket(); TemporaryEnchantFrame:SetPoint("TOPRIGHT", self:GetParent(), "TOPRIGHT", -205, (-self:GetHeight())); |
| 21:15.18 | ScytheBlade1 | TemporaryEnchantFrame? |
| 21:15.24 | Dashkal | I'm not convinced blood still sucks. Between the frost presence changes, the WotN buff, and pestilence no longer having a cooldown, we're in pretty good shape. |
| 21:15.28 | Cidan | Blood never sucked |
| 21:15.32 | Cidan | Blood == lol you never die |
| 21:15.35 | ScytheBlade1 | +GM_CHAT_OPEN = "Open GM Chat Log"; |
| 21:15.48 | Codayus_ | Dashkal: WoTN buff is nice, but...it depends what the hell the wording means. |
| 21:15.49 | mikma | yeah |
| 21:15.50 | Tem|work | if they nerf the hell out of dk pvp, the tards who rolled dk just becaue they think dks are op in pvp will stop playing |
| 21:15.59 | mikma | "you're ticket will ve serviced soon" |
| 21:16.01 | Tem|work | and we can stop being the new huntards |
| 21:16.02 | Dashkal | Oh yes it did. The self-healing couldn't keep up well enough to make up for the lack of those amazing talents in frost/unholy |
| 21:16.02 | Codayus_ | If it really is "hits you take while below 35% HP are mitigated" then lol, whatever. |
| 21:16.04 | Tem|work | YOUR |
| 21:16.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:16.06 | ScytheBlade1 | +GM_CHAT_STATUS_READY_DESCRIPTION = "A GM would like to chat with you. Click here to begin."; |
| 21:16.10 | Tem|work | GET IT RIGHT OR PAY THE PRICE |
| 21:16.14 | alestane | Tem|work: And we won't miss those people. |
| 21:16.25 | Tem|work | alestane: not even a little bit |
| 21:16.33 | Codayus_ | If it's "hits that would take you below 35% HP are mitigated", then it's...weak, but may be viable as part of the overall package of changes. |
| 21:16.38 | jaxdahl | ScytheBlade1, it shows up in the upper right |
| 21:16.44 | Dashkal | Codayus_: it includes the hit that took you below 35% |
| 21:16.45 | ScytheBlade1 | jaxdahl: oh I know |
| 21:16.53 | ScytheBlade1 | jaxdahl: I can just totally see revenge of the players |
| 21:17.03 | ScytheBlade1 | "I didn't start the chat for 20m because I've waited in the ticket queue for a week" |
| 21:17.06 | Shirik | Windows is the only OS I know of where a program can tell you "You need 191.1MB more free space", you go delete 200MB worth of stuff, and then it tells you "You need 191.2MB more free space" |
| 21:17.06 | End | more like an improper sod imo! |
| 21:17.07 | Codayus_ | Blue link? Because that's never been clarified, and it sounds identical to the paladin talent which does NOT include that hit. |
| 21:17.07 | Cidan | CAMP ANAWANNA |
| 21:17.15 | Cidan | WE HOLD YOU IN OUR HEARTS |
| 21:17.19 | Dashkal | It it _doesn't_ include hits taken while already below, it's worthless, but that would surprise me |
| 21:17.21 | Cidan | BUT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT YOU |
| 21:17.27 | Cidan | IT MAKES ME WANT TO FART |
| 21:17.27 | Shirik | ~kill Cidan |
| 21:17.28 | purl | ACTION shoots a inverse proton gun at Cidan |
| 21:17.30 | Cidan | lol |
| 21:17.33 | Codayus_ | Dashkal: We'll see. |
| 21:17.36 | Cidan | Oh man, good times, good times. |
| 21:17.49 | alestane | Shirik: Delete, or move to the Trash/Recycle Bin? |
| 21:17.51 | Dashkal | "Damage that would take you below 35% health is reduced by 15%" is pretty clear |
| 21:17.51 | Corr-work | Shirik: i suspect recycle binning... |
| 21:17.55 | Shirik | I admit it was the recycle bin |
| 21:17.57 | Tem|work | Cidan: omfg |
| 21:18.00 | Tem|work | someone got my reference |
| 21:18.02 | Codayus_ | Also, the change to heart strike makes me lol. "We want to make blood a better tank, so we'll....uh...uh...give blood CLEAVE! Yea!" |
| 21:18.14 | Corr-work | i don't even use the recycle bin ever. it's an automatic thing of mine to use shift+delete to permanently delete without it |
| 21:18.20 | Dashkal | Considering our multi-target threat is currently so weak, I'll take it |
| 21:18.35 | Dewin | I use it occasionally, but rarely |
| 21:18.37 | jaxdahl | hmm, it looks like they changed a bunch of slashcommands to work without an argument, so you can target someone and /ginvite, etc |
| 21:18.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Olorin (n=bcsbcsbc@87-194-223-111.bethere.co.uk) |
| 21:18.53 | alestane | Shirik: The thing that's mildly misleading in Windows is that if you right-click on something and pick "Delete", it will generally move it to the recycle bin. If you right-click something on OS X, the menu will include the "Move to Trash" command. |
| 21:19.05 | Cidan | Tem|work: Hell yes dude. That show was the shit. |
| 21:19.23 | Corr-work | yes, that is a little confusing |
| 21:19.43 | Dewin | Awhile back I was cleaning up a bunch of addons. I just recycle-binned them instead of deleting to make sure I can get them back if I deleted something I shouldn't have. |
| 21:20.02 | jaxdahl | +function FCF_SetUninteractable(chatFrame, isUninteractable)--No, uninteractable is not really a word. |
| 21:20.05 | jaxdahl | heh@ the comment |
| 21:20.05 | Dashkal | The thing that bothers me about HS is now I have to watch for CC breaking. Mind you if a mob is CCd right next to me, I'll almost certainly break it anyway so maybe that doesn't matter |
| 21:20.12 | jaxdahl | crowd control doesn't exist anymore |
| 21:20.38 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: *snort* haven't done many heroics? Or only after you overheared? |
| 21:20.38 | Codayus_ | jaxdahl: Bliz has indicated they want that to change. |
| 21:20.44 | Dashkal | Cause I see tanks get splattered without CC |
| 21:20.46 | jaxdahl | Dashkal, i have done many heroics :) |
| 21:20.54 | Dashkal | The guessing your gear is quite a bit better |
| 21:21.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: >.> i've yet to seriously use cc in most heroics. |
| 21:21.16 | jaxdahl | wotlk heroics just aren't the same as tbc heroics |
| 21:21.16 | Dashkal | this is true |
| 21:21.27 | Dashkal | TBC heroics were harder than raiding and gave worse gear. I ignored them |
| 21:21.29 | jaxdahl | i drop AOE, pull a mob to me, pestilence, howling blast, and icebound fort in there somewhere |
| 21:21.44 | Tem|work | yeah |
| 21:21.45 | Dewin | how are DKs in raid tanking, out of curiosity? |
| 21:21.47 | Dashkal | But regardless, as was stated by others, Blizzard wants CC to return |
| 21:21.50 | jaxdahl | i even pull 2 packs now sometimes |
| 21:22.00 | jaxdahl | dewin, pretty good |
| 21:22.00 | Tem|work | as long as you kill a mob or two before IBF goes down, you're fine |
| 21:22.01 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kel%27Thuzad&n=Ferrante |
| 21:22.11 | jaxdahl | that's my tank |
| 21:22.11 | Lunessa | Hex, Shaman CC is OP! |
| 21:22.11 | Dashkal | Will that still work after the IBF nerf? (Honest question) |
| 21:22.13 | Tem|work | it works especially well if you DG the mob to you |
| 21:22.21 | jaxdahl | Dashkal, probably yes |
| 21:22.26 | jaxdahl | it's only 50% down to 35% |
| 21:22.28 | Tem|work | that gives you a head start on killing it while the others arrive |
| 21:22.31 | jaxdahl | and i still have other buttons i can hit |
| 21:22.41 | Dewin | jax: Hmm |
| 21:23.04 | Dewin | Our guild has a not-enough-healers too-many-DPS problem right now |
| 21:23.14 | jaxdahl | i have about 37k hp raid buffed |
| 21:23.14 | Dewin | But I have no healers remotely near 80. DK is 61 however, so I could possible give us another tank |
| 21:23.14 | Lunessa | I think most guilds have that issue. |
| 21:23.36 | Dewin | My wife is our only main healer. The guildmaster and 2 other people trade off on respeccing for healer for the raid |
| 21:23.43 | Dewin | (We do 10-mans) |
| 21:24.09 | Dashkal | My guild has a healer shortage. I hate healing... I'm considering just not leveling my (feral) druid so I can't be asked :p |
| 21:24.26 | bnovc | youll be asked to respec |
| 21:24.33 | Dashkal | But then I remember she'll be a second titansteel cooldown |
| 21:24.42 | Tem|work | jaxdahl: why no annihilation? |
| 21:24.47 | Dashkal | They can ask, but since my DK is my main, I can just say no |
| 21:24.48 | jaxdahl | why? |
| 21:24.56 | Lunessa | 10-mans require 2 tanks, 2 healers and 6 DPS types. The ratios are different for 25-mans. So you can have either enough for 10-mans easily, but only one. Enough for a 25-man, but not multiple 10-mans, etc. |
| 21:24.56 | jaxdahl | i use howling blast and death strike |
| 21:24.56 | Tem|work | And why runic power mastery? |
| 21:25.08 | Cidan | wtb 40 man raids again, D= |
| 21:25.11 | jaxdahl | so i can rune dump |
| 21:25.12 | ScytheBlade1 | +local FEAT_OF_STRENGTH_ID = 81; |
| 21:25.14 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? |
| 21:25.23 | Tem|work | magic numbers are awesome |
| 21:25.26 | Dashkal | Lunessa: they stated their target was 3 healers. Reality not match the design? |
| 21:25.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm curious what achieve 81 is now |
| 21:25.34 | Lunessa | Cidan: don't make me kill you. |
| 21:25.44 | Cidan | Lunessa: D= |
| 21:25.52 | jaxdahl | 3 healers if you're undergeared |
| 21:25.57 | Lunessa | Dashkal: I haven't tried any 25 mans since release of LK. |
| 21:25.58 | jaxdahl | if you gear out 2 is fine |
| 21:26.48 | Dashkal | Again, they stated the design was for three standard. 2 would only work overgeared (Design, not reality) |
| 21:26.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: thats basically the case |
| 21:26.59 | Dashkal | We currently have exactly two dedicated tanks (I'm a spare) and 4 healers. Lil fragile |
| 21:26.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Tinyboom (n=nahh@178.80-202-153.nextgentel.com) |
| 21:27.39 | Tem|work | Dashkal: I _hate_ being a spare tank |
| 21:27.41 | Cidan | gogo Paladin Healer? |
| 21:27.41 | Tem|work | "Hey, you go dps tonight" |
| 21:27.41 | Lunessa | Right. So say you have 30-ish people - you might have enough healers for a single 25-man, but not enough for multiple 10-mans. Same dilemma for tanks. |
| 21:27.41 | Tem|work | *cry* |
| 21:27.42 | Cidan | Holy spec is the best Paladin spec, imo. |
| 21:27.42 | jaxdahl | my guild has no paladin tanks |
| 21:27.42 | Dashkal | I enjoy both, but DPS fits my schedule better. It's easier to be a DPS and only show up to some raids than be a tank and the same |
| 21:27.45 | jaxdahl | makes me said since i don't get BoSanc |
| 21:27.56 | Lunessa | This is why guilds with a light healing roster still end up pugging heroics and pugging slots for some raids. |
| 21:28.07 | Tem|work | yeah, they need to nerf Sanc |
| 21:28.10 | Tem|work | it's too good for everyone but the pally |
| 21:28.12 | Dashkal | I'm not sure what our paladins are doing. One is a healer, the others are undecided afaic |
| 21:29.17 | jaxdahl | my realm has been running a bunch of PUG 25s |
| 21:29.17 | Dashkal | +t |
| 21:29.17 | Tem|work | I wanna run 10mans soonish |
| 21:29.18 | jaxdahl | i don't know if a PUG 25 has gotten malygos yet |
| 21:29.18 | Tem|work | with a pally OT |
| 21:29.18 | Tem|work | because Sanc is just incredible |
| 21:29.18 | Lunessa | And the best part of all this? People will blame hybrids for being selfish if they don't spec as healers. |
| 21:29.39 | Dashkal | Yeah, all the more reason to just not level my druid :S |
| 21:29.48 | Cidan | Druid healers are pretty nuts |
| 21:29.51 | Cidan | they almost outheal me. |
| 21:29.54 | Tem|work | I think I've decided to keep my druid resto |
| 21:29.56 | Dashkal | Of they're good, I just _hate_ healing |
| 21:30.06 | Tem|work | they've messed with feral enough that I just don't feel like learning it |
| 21:30.16 | Dashkal | To the point that I'd rather not raid period |
| 21:30.19 | Lunessa | I play a shaman, despite the nick being for my old priest. |
| 21:30.39 | Cidan | Don't like Shaman, D= |
| 21:30.42 | Tem|work | So, funny story |
| 21:30.43 | Cidan | I tried to get into them, bleh |
| 21:30.45 | Cidan | NO |
| 21:30.46 | Shirik | you know what I absolutely love |
| 21:30.46 | Cidan | NOT FUNNY |
| 21:30.47 | Lunessa | And I'm "Enhancement for life, yo! Word dawg." |
| 21:30.48 | Cidan | KINDA LAME |
| 21:30.52 | Shirik | applications that don't exit when you click "exit" |
| 21:31.03 | Tem|work | I saw this post by a priest |
| 21:31.11 | Cidan | KILL DASH NINE |
| 21:31.11 | Tem|work | I don't remember the content |
| 21:31.12 | Tem|work | but it was kind of bitchy |
| 21:31.17 | Shirik | THERE IS NO KILL DASH NINE ON WINDOWS |
| 21:31.19 | Tem|work | and I thought, "this must be a shadow priest" |
| 21:31.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Ose (n=chatzill@static142-224.adsl.no) |
| 21:31.24 | Cidan | OH RIGHT |
| 21:31.28 | Tem|work | so I clicked his armory link |
| 21:31.28 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 21:31.29 | Shirik | maybe there is |
| 21:31.32 | Shirik | let me see what cygwin has |
| 21:31.32 | Tem|work | Shadow spec |
| 21:31.47 | Cidan | hah |
| 21:32.08 | Shirik | I can't get to my desktop... |
| 21:32.12 | Lunessa | I used to say, "There are two kinds of healers: Grumpy, grouchy and skilled, and those who play a DPS class now.: |
| 21:32.28 | Tem|work | Shirik: cd /c |
| 21:32.48 | Shirik | uh, /c ? |
| 21:32.51 | Shirik | no |
| 21:32.54 | Shirik | I mean cygwin is on my desktop |
| 21:33.19 | Lunessa | Tem - yeah, nothing like playing a character and hearing all the time, "respec and heal for us dude" to make you a bitchy player. :P |
| 21:33.32 | Shirik | And you know what's really wierd? At my school, we have these network "personal" drives, pretty typical, they're labeled P: |
| 21:33.37 | Shirik | I installed cygwin at my school |
| 21:33.44 | Shirik | somehow cygwin figured it out and made ~ go to P: |
| 21:33.50 | Corr-work | that's creepy |
| 21:34.37 | kd3 | whuh? a separate gm chat frame outside of the ChatFrame# frames? |
| 21:35.15 | Dashkal | Meh, I need to drag my guild's JC through heroic violet hold a ton... Want +16 defense gem. With a small pile of those and the defense runeforge I think I can reach uncrittable with only one more upgrade |
| 21:35.49 | Robsato | I am pretty sure that cygwin just uses the homesomething environement variable that windows has. |
| 21:35.58 | Cidan | Shirik: When you set a remote "home" drive in the NT account system, it is literally your home/default drive. |
| 21:37.01 | Shirik | o |
| 21:37.01 | Cidan | Right, Cygwin didn't really figure it out, P: actually is ~ |
| 21:37.01 | Lunessa | Yeah, we do that at work too for students. |
| 21:37.01 | Shirik | well windows doesn't have a ~ |
| 21:37.01 | Cidan | start->run, type cmd, hit entire |
| 21:37.01 | Cidan | er |
| 21:37.01 | Cidan | entre |
| 21:37.01 | Cidan | adsadijoskadska |
| 21:37.01 | Cidan | enter |
| 21:37.03 | Cidan | and it will default to P:> |
| 21:37.07 | kd3 | bah. I remember back in high school our cheapass novel setup mapped h: to our space on the network drive |
| 21:37.11 | Shirik | ah |
| 21:37.15 | Shirik | well can't test that right now :) |
| 21:37.45 | Codayus_ | Dashkal: Wow, how much defense do you have now? You know the runeforge is defense skill, not rating, right? |
| 21:37.45 | Tem|work | the hell |
| 21:37.45 | Shirik | but at home, Cidan, cygwin does |
| 21:37.46 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@mpdelbuono-PC ~ |
| 21:37.46 | Shirik | $ pwd |
| 21:37.46 | Shirik | /home/mpdelbuono |
| 21:37.52 | Shirik | not C:\Users\mpdelbuono |
| 21:38.02 | Tem|work | looking at my stats page, it says Erekem is the most deadly boss for me |
| 21:38.05 | Shirik | (note that C:\Users\mpdelbuono is /cygdrive/c/home/mpdelbuono) |
| 21:38.08 | Tem|work | which is very odd |
| 21:38.13 | Tem|work | because I've never died on that fight |
| 21:38.14 | Shirik | er |
| 21:38.20 | Shirik | cygdrive/c/Users/mpdelbuono |
| 21:38.21 | Dashkal | Codayus_: I honestly couldn't tell you offhand. And yes, I know it's skill. The cap is 580ish now IIRC. Did the math a few hours ago and didn't write it down. |
| 21:38.22 | jaxdahl | what's the new stuff in RestrictedExecution.lua? |
| 21:38.36 | Codayus_ | Dashkal: Fair enough |
| 21:39.03 | Cidan | well yeah, it's cygwin, it's going to use the nix directory tree |
| 21:39.10 | Dashkal | But between the new gloves I just got, the BS sockets that are coming, and a pile of those gems, I'll hit the cap without any purps |
| 21:39.16 | Cidan | why are you using cygwin anyway? should use coop linux |
| 21:39.37 | kd3 | yay! finally! logical behavior for invite/ginvite! it'll use our target if we don't pass in a name |
| 21:39.53 | Cidan | thank GOD |
| 21:39.58 | Cidan | That == always annoyed me |
| 21:40.34 | Cidan | http://www.andlinux.org/ |
| 21:40.37 | Cidan | use this Shirik |
| 21:40.42 | Tekkub | http://img.skitch.com/20081211-px4ds17kms3p6qc5bki56779iq.jpg |
| 21:40.43 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 21:40.48 | Cidan | rofl |
| 21:40.48 | Cidan | ahahha |
| 21:40.51 | kd3 | tek; lmao |
| 21:40.56 | Shirik | I use visual studio Cidan :) |
| 21:41.05 | Shirik | and I've considering going to andlinux |
| 21:41.09 | Shirik | but I don't really NEED it |
| 21:41.14 | Shirik | I only use cygwin in really strange cases |
| 21:41.40 | Shirik | I more of just added unix tools to windows and use them |
| 21:41.41 | Dashkal | Paladins: someone apparently found a way to reproduce the judgement bug: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/13393781481--gc-how-to-reproduce-the-judgment-bug.html |
| 21:41.41 | Shirik | e.g., grep now works in command prompt, etc. |
| 21:41.55 | Cidan | though I wish coop linux supported 64 bit |
| 21:42.24 | Dewin | Shirik: That's what mingw/msys does |
| 21:42.35 | Shirik | sure |
| 21:43.10 | Shirik | but I have my own way of doing it |
| 21:43.14 | Tem|work | lol, jaxdahl |
| 21:43.14 | Tem|work | I was comparing our stats |
| 21:43.14 | Tem|work | and looking at your instance deaths |
| 21:43.42 | Tem|work | you've died 3 times in regular instances |
| 21:43.42 | Tem|work | so I thought "that's pretty impressive" |
| 21:43.44 | Tem|work | then I looked at the number of instances you've done compared me |
| 21:43.50 | kd3 | +OPTION_TOOLTIP_USE_ENGLISH_AUDIO = "Check this box to override your language setting and use english audio."; |
| 21:43.50 | kd3 | ? |
| 21:43.52 | Dashkal | I'm one point short of the build I wanted... and I only had CE in my tank build as a lark for a lil extra AoE... hmm, solution much? |
| 21:44.14 | Tem|work | I've done somewhere around 6x more reg instances than you |
| 21:44.38 | Tem|work | Dashkal: taking it out? |
| 21:44.42 | Tem|work | link me! |
| 21:44.57 | Dashkal | I tried, but I'm having an issue. I can't get rid of my last rune tap point |
| 21:45.03 | Dewin | kd3: If you can read spanish but not speak it? |
| 21:45.16 | Dashkal | http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0050000000000000000000000003251505103032112301005101350035220000100000000000000000000&glyph=000000000000 |
| 21:45.19 | Shirik | 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 21:45.23 | Cidan | if you can read it, you can speak it |
| 21:45.47 | kd3 | yay! new kernel. wonder what's gonna break this time? |
| 21:45.48 | Dewin | Okay, you can read it, but not understand it when it's spoken quickly :) |
| 21:45.51 | Cidan | I don't even think that's possible, to be able to read a language but not speak it, or at least understand it when spoken. |
| 21:45.55 | Cidan | Perhaps |
| 21:45.58 | Shirik | new kernel? |
| 21:46.01 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:46.06 | Dewin | You can read at your own pace. Have to keep up with the speaker if listening |
| 21:46.23 | Dashkal | Cidan: any language not written phonetically could be read but not understood verbally... |
| 21:46.24 | Cidan | I suppose; some people can't keep up with me when I speak Spanish, so, truth. |
| 21:46.53 | kd3 | hm... animation in the restricted execution environment. |
| 21:47.38 | Cidan | Dashkal: I don't know of any language that doesn't use phonetics, shit, is that even possible? |
| 21:48.36 | Dashkal | Cidan: Japanese? |
| 21:48.36 | Cidan | What are you talking about? |
| 21:48.36 | Cidan | They have phonetic meaning. |
| 21:48.50 | Dewin | Japanese uses phonetics. |
| 21:48.50 | Cidan | Just because it's not roman, doesn't make it non-phonetic. |
| 21:48.51 | Dashkal | Sure, but it isn't written that way. Kanjii are words, not sounds |
| 21:48.51 | Cidan | Still written in a spoken language, mate. |
| 21:48.51 | Cidan | Same with Chinese |
| 21:49.07 | Dashkal | Unless you write it all out as Hiragana/Katakana it isn't written phonetically. You could read it but not know how it's spoken |
| 21:49.07 | Cidan | Which, I do read and write. |
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| 21:50.30 | alestane | And Chinese has no inherent sounds associated with its logographs. You can understand written Chinese without having the least idea how it's pronounced. |
| 21:50.32 | Cidan | You're nuts, when you read a character, you read a spoken word; just because the meaning behind it isn't broken down into letters, doesn't change the fact that you are making actual spoken sounds. |
| 21:50.34 | Dashkal | Tem|work: looks like I"m screwed. The block is at tier 8 (just before heart strike). No way to remove the last point before there to put it into blood gorged |
| 21:51.10 | Dashkal | Cidan: you do, but I contest that knowing the verbal pronounciation of a word is required to understand its meaning |
| 21:51.19 | alestane | In fact, without selecting a particular Chinese language or dialect, you can't know how it's pronounced. |
| 21:51.45 | Cidan | alestane: Nonsense, word order will tell you. |
| 21:51.54 | Cidan | also |
| 21:52.35 | alestane | The same ideographs are used to represent different sets of phonemes across languages. |
| 21:53.08 | Cidan | No, I suppose you're right, Dashkal. I concede. You can look at a picture and know what it means, without it having a pronounciation at all. |
| 21:53.59 | Cidan | inb4lol |
| 21:54.28 | Dashkal | *nods* I was just fighting that because in my attempts to learn Japanese, I often learned the meaning of a written word before learning its pronounciation |
| 21:55.19 | Dashkal | Also, radicals suck... I do not yet have the ability to pick them out well enough to actually look up unfamiliar words with any speed |
| 21:55.46 | Cidan | I prefer Chinese. |
| 21:55.52 | Cidan | I know I'm about to sound crazy, but |
| 21:55.57 | Cidan | I think it's pretty when spoken. |
| 21:56.10 | Dashkal | Not seeing the crazy there |
| 21:56.24 | Dashkal | though since you're talking about how it sounds, which dialect? |
| 21:56.49 | Cidan | either of the major two, but I work on mandarin personally |
| 21:56.54 | alestane | It can be quite lovely. Although it's always a little awkward to say "Chinese", since there's more than one distinct language spoken in that part of the world and represented with those glyphs. |
| 21:57.01 | malreth | http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1561 |
| 21:57.35 | Dashkal | mmm. I've heard that its easier to learn. I've considered learning that as well especially because I'd have much more luck finding people who speak it (I work near to chinatown in Vancouver) |
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| 21:57.53 | Dashkal | My attempts to learn Japanese failed due to a complete lack of people to practice with |
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| 21:57.56 | malreth | http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=31 |
| 21:57.58 | Cidan | Well, my ex girlfriend of 5 years was Chinese, so. |
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| 21:58.06 | malreth | my wife is Taiwanese |
| 21:58.29 | malreth | i've been required to learn family terms in Mandarin |
| 21:58.46 | malreth | for all of her various uncles, aunts, and grandmother |
| 21:59.03 | Dashkal | If I ever do pick it up again at least I can still make the r-series sounds. That took a LONG time to get. |
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| 21:59.04 | alestane | From what I understand, Mandarin (or Cantonese for that matter) is FAR more similar to English in its grammar (Not its phonology) than either of them is to Japanese. |
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| 21:59.26 | Cidan | alestane: You are correct |
| 21:59.40 | Dashkal | I have a good appreciation as to why Japanese learning english have so much difficulty with v and r |
| 21:59.40 | Cidan | But there are some exceptions, obviously |
| 22:00.01 | Dashkal | Japanese grammar makes my head hurt. The word order was the easiest thing to grasp, and that was a brain-bender for me |
| 22:00.17 | Cidan | It's nice, because my two native langauges are English and Spanish, Chinese is a lot like English, Japanese a lot like Spanish |
| 22:00.18 | malreth | i learned japanese 10 years ago.... i'll find out how much i remember when i go visit there in a couple months |
| 22:00.37 | Shirik | I went to Japan about... 6 years ago |
| 22:00.38 | malreth | japanese grammar messed up my spanish... |
| 22:00.51 | Shirik | picked up some stuff rather quickly; forgotten it since then though |
| 22:00.57 | alestane | Actually, one of my instructors pointed out that most English speakers use that sound, we just don't think of it that way. The way most people pronounce the word, "party" when they're speaking quickly and casually is very close to the alveolar flip from Japanese that we represent with an r. |
| 22:01.02 | Shirik | that being said, immersion is a very good way to learn a language |
| 22:01.05 | malreth | everything i said in spanish came out in japanese word order |
| 22:01.10 | Shirik | rofl |
| 22:01.18 | Shirik | in other words, completely the wrong order |
| 22:01.20 | Lunessa | malreth: Hah! I am inclined to blame something else for your lack of spanish grammar. |
| 22:01.26 | zenzelezz | the trouble with picking up Japanese is getting them to leave the next morning |
| 22:01.34 | Cidan | zenzelezz: win. |
| 22:01.41 | alestane | malreth: You should see what happens when I try to construct French sentences these days. |
| 22:01.52 | Dashkal | alestane: really? I'm not feeling the similarity in my mouth |
| 22:02.02 | malreth | "el baño wa dónde está ka?" |
| 22:02.13 | Cidan | ahahahha |
| 22:02.14 | Dashkal | my tongue is further forward when I try to pronounce roku |
| 22:02.30 | Lunessa | ... /concede |
| 22:02.32 | Dashkal | having the r at the start of a word was always more difficult for me. I can see it when I roll into it |
| 22:02.52 | alestane | Of course, your mileage may vary depending on the accent in which you speak English. |
| 22:02.59 | malreth | i forget what i was actually trying to say at the time... but that's essentially how it came out |
| 22:03.12 | Dashkal | Western Canadian (pretty damn close to the NW states) |
| 22:03.17 | malreth | object-verb order completely backwards |
| 22:03.23 | malreth | with particles |
| 22:03.24 | Lunessa | ok... Off to the office. Later. |
| 22:03.29 | alestane | THe beauty of it is, Japanese grammar is actually REALLY SIMPLE. |
| 22:03.49 | Shirik | Well, the grammar is relatively simple |
| 22:03.52 | Dashkal | It is. It was difficult because I'm used to the clusterfuck that is english |
| 22:03.53 | alestane | It's based on a really minimal number of regularly applied constructions. |
| 22:03.55 | malreth | verb conjugation is fun in japanese |
| 22:03.57 | Shirik | the thing that hangs people up sometime is the tendency to leave stuff out |
| 22:04.12 | Shirik | e.g., the subject |
| 22:04.14 | alestane | The idiom is very context-sensitive. |
| 22:04.55 | alestane | Actually, that's one thing that cracks me up about anime translations. |
| 22:05.16 | alestane | There's a Japanese stereotype of how Chinese people talk when they're speaking Japanese. |
| 22:05.19 | Cidan | I do not speak Moonspeak, D= |
| 22:05.25 | malreth | also, you're required to learn all of those porn utterances in 3rd semester japanese |
| 22:05.45 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 22:06.30 | alestane | This stereotype is typically represented in English translations of a Chinese character's Japanese dialogue by rendering the person's dialogue entirely in third person, like Elmo on Sesame Street. |
| 22:06.59 | malreth | "do these eyes that lie? |
| 22:07.17 | alestane | That's Shampoo, from one of her earlier Ranma appearances. |
| 22:07.21 | alestane | Except that what it really is, is that Chinese people don't like to omit things from their sentences. |
| 22:07.33 | alestane | They use pronouns the same way we do in English, more or less. |
| 22:07.54 | malreth | also, no porn sounds in chinese. |
| 22:08.15 | Tem|work | oh WOW |
| 22:08.23 | Tem|work | so check out the resoning for the enhancement changes |
| 22:08.46 | Tem|work | elementals were speccing enh for dw spell weapons and 30% int as spell power |
| 22:09.03 | Tem|work | that's hillariously awesome |
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| 22:09.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|afk: and why not, the upper tiers of ele are.. lackluster >.> |
| 22:09.38 | alestane | So Shampoo is really saying "I love you", (as an example), but since in normal Japanese usage it would just be "Love," an English translator attempts to represent the strangeness of it in the context of normal Japanese by using a completely different construction in English that's equally unnatural. |
| 22:09.57 | Corr-work | alestane: awesome |
| 22:10.17 | malreth | i can't remember how to say, "NO! Don't look inside!" anymore... 3rd semester has failed me again. |
| 22:10.27 | NeoTron | Tem|work: what enhance changes? |
| 22:10.29 | malreth | i'm sure that's going to come back and haunt me someday |
| 22:10.33 | alestane | In what style? |
| 22:10.35 | Corr-work | please do not come inside. i am boning the teacher. |
| 22:10.36 | Dashkal | Nifty, they're considering lifting the one-DK-per-realm restriction |
| 22:11.01 | jaxdahl | oh Tem|afk, another reason i get RPM -- deathstrike works better |
| 22:11.06 | Dashkal | That rule always felt odd to me, having a player make 10 DKs doesn't increase the population of DKs by that much... |
| 22:11.14 | jaxdahl | Dashkal, they always were going to lift that |
| 22:11.17 | NeoTron | Dashkal: and I might have to spend $15 to re-spec my characters looks if the new skins are any awesomesauce |
| 22:11.26 | jaxdahl | it was just to prevent a flood at release |
| 22:11.35 | malreth | i thought they already had DK specific skins |
| 22:11.38 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: no, they were going to remove the restriction against rolling DKs on servers you don't have a 55 on |
| 22:11.41 | malreth | or are they just adding more? |
| 22:11.46 | Dashkal | the one DK per server was always there |
| 22:11.54 | Duman | lol kd3 |
| 22:11.57 | Duman | (email) |
| 22:11.59 | NeoTron | malreth: some skin colors perhaps but I don't think the skins were different except glowing eyes |
| 22:12.06 | jaxdahl | Dashkal, ahhh |
| 22:12.12 | jaxdahl | ok |
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| 22:12.28 | malreth | no... there's one specific skin (and color) that you can pick but only for death knights... one skin per race |
| 22:12.32 | malreth | it's in the game now |
| 22:12.41 | Dashkal | It'll be really nice for those on PvE realms who actually play both sides |
| 22:12.52 | malreth | and yes... i paid waaaaay too much attention when creating my DK |
| 22:12.58 | alestane | Very casually it would be something like, ãªããã¿ã¡ããã¡ã ãï¼ |
| 22:13.55 | malreth | alestane: no... i think there's a cuter way to say it... |
| 22:14.11 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: So I had to browse some irc logs to find something |
| 22:14.15 | zenzelezz | hm... I only just realized skeleton keys work on lockboxes |
| 22:14.23 | malreth | also, shorter... you don't have much time to say something like that before the act usually occurs |
| 22:14.55 | Adys | and I stumbled upon that, i dont know if you remember but that's special |
| 22:14.55 | Adys | 20:34.16ScytheBlade1I dunno. 1) We're on IRC 2) We're in a computer related channel 3) We're on freenode, the open source IRC capitol of the world.. |
| 22:15.06 | alestane | Well there's ã¿ããªï¼ |
| 22:15.09 | Dashkal | Tem|work: I think I have my build. The missing point in blood gorged may come from icy touch if my mitigation is fine: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0050000000000000000000000003251505103032112301005101350035220000100000000000000000000&glyph=000000000000# |
| 22:15.15 | Dashkal | erm, strike that |
| 22:15.28 | Dashkal | odd, the http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0355020530303313201001313403050000000000000000000000000235200000000000000000000000000&glyph=060911050104 |
| 22:15.31 | Dashkal | there, with glyphs |
| 22:15.35 | Shirik | 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 22:15.50 | Dashkal | I need to get that tinyurl bookmarklet on this PC |
| 22:16.24 | alestane | malreth: what was the actual context for which this remark was intended? |
| 22:16.49 | Adys | also this is stupid creepy |
| 22:16.52 | Anaral | Wowhead needs to add a feature to the quests basic info saying whether it goes towards an achievement and if so which achievement. |
| 22:17.07 | Adys | you guys started talking about japanese exactly when i was googling for this channel talking about japanese |
| 22:17.09 | Shirik | Confirm or deny: This is the right way to make a backup of a database: mysqldump -u root -p --all-databases | gzip > ./backup.sql |
| 22:17.26 | Shirik | it seems to work |
| 22:17.27 | alestane | When someone is opening the door onto a socially inappropriate situation? |
| 22:17.28 | Cidan | deny |
| 22:17.31 | Shirik | :( |
| 22:17.33 | Shirik | what's wrong? |
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| 22:17.42 | malreth | a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat |
| 22:17.46 | malreth | say no more, say no more |
| 22:17.55 | malreth | eh, guv'nor |
| 22:18.27 | malreth | alestane: if by 'door' you mean 'vulva' then yes |
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| 22:18.42 | Lunessa | station |
| 22:18.43 | krka | Shirik: you may want to add some locks there |
| 22:18.55 | malreth | damn...i i should have waited 5 seconds longer |
| 22:18.59 | alestane | And you were learnign this for 3rd semester Japanese class why? |
| 22:19.02 | krka | also, i'd name the backup .sql.qz |
| 22:19.06 | krka | also, i'd add the date |
| 22:19.11 | Shirik | it's in a folder with the date |
| 22:19.14 | malreth | alestane: because most of the world's porn is made in japan |
| 22:19.22 | Shirik | and I did name it .gz after I posted that :) |
| 22:19.31 | Shirik | and holy shit |
| 22:19.31 | krka | date and time |
| 22:19.34 | Shirik | vim can on-the-fly decompress? |
| 22:19.53 | Dashkal | Nifty, MSN won't let me paste tinyurl links |
| 22:19.55 | krka | --lock-tables may be good |
| 22:20.02 | Cidan | you don't back up character sets, or the information_schema table |
| 22:20.14 | Cidan | to do a full backup, you atleast want all of that |
| 22:20.17 | jaxdahl | yeah, MSN loves to censor a bunch of links |
| 22:21.07 | Cidan | also, locking tables is enabled by default |
| 22:21.17 | Cidan | you don't have to define it |
| 22:21.33 | Shirik | the man page doesn't say anything about the schema :/ |
| 22:22.07 | alestane | malreth: If you weren't talking about a really short utterance I'd guess it would have æ¥ããããï¼ in it somewhere. |
| 22:22.44 | Dashkal | malreth: too bad it's mostly censored.. |
| 22:22.50 | Shirik | mysqldump does not dump the INFORMATION_SCHEMA database. If you name that database explicitly on the command line, |
| 22:22.50 | Shirik | mysqldump silently ignores it. |
| 22:22.51 | Shirik | :( |
| 22:23.40 | malreth | i think it's è¦ãªãã§ï¼ |
| 22:24.00 | alestane | That's a "cuter" way to say "Don't look!", yes. |
| 22:24.09 | Shirik | ??????? |
| 22:24.15 | alestane | About as short as you can get. |
| 22:24.18 | Shirik | oh fu mirc |
| 22:24.22 | Shirik | not accepting my japanese input :( |
| 22:24.30 | Cidan | hell |
| 22:24.39 | Cidan | irssi isn't even SHOWING me what they're saying |
| 22:24.45 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:24.47 | Shirik | mirc displays them fine |
| 22:24.54 | Shirik | but when I try to type them, it converts them all to??????????? |
| 22:24.55 | Dashkal | Chatzilla shows it too |
| 22:24.57 | Cidan | well, irssi using putty |
| 22:25.10 | alestane | Shirik: What encoding are you using? |
| 22:25.15 | Thrae | Cidan: Switch PuTTY from ISO to UTF-8. |
| 22:25.17 | Cidan | not sure if it's server side or windows side |
| 22:25.21 | Cidan | hm |
| 22:25.28 | alestane | I had to switch mine over to to UTF-8. |
| 22:25.38 | malreth | gotta love a country that manufactures more female crotch shaped mouse pads per capita than any other nation on earth |
| 22:26.02 | Cidan | oh |
| 22:26.04 | Lunessa | malreth: Japan, or the US? |
| 22:26.04 | Cidan | there we go |
| 22:26.07 | Cidan | okay, someone type |
| 22:26.09 | Cidan | plz |
| 22:26.15 | Cidan | in moonrunes |
| 22:26.22 | alestane | ãªã«ãï¼ |
| 22:26.24 | Shirik | I don't even know where that setting is, alestane |
| 22:26.24 | malreth | é |
| 22:26.32 | Shirik | moonrunes? |
| 22:26.37 | Cidan | woot |
| 22:26.38 | Cidan | works! |
| 22:26.39 | alestane | malreth: "Fish?" |
| 22:26.49 | malreth | that's actually what all kanji mean |
| 22:26.55 | Shirik | rofl |
| 22:26.56 | malreth | you learn that in 4th semester |
| 22:26.57 | Cidan | moonrunes = the written language of the moonpeople |
| 22:27.07 | Shirik | all kanji mean fish? |
| 22:27.13 | malreth | yes |
| 22:27.15 | alestane | According to malreth, anyway. |
| 22:27.19 | Shirik | nihongo fish |
| 22:27.33 | Olorin | anyone know a coamand that will stop all totems that have been cast on shaman? |
| 22:27.46 | alestane | "Stop"? |
| 22:27.46 | Cidan | Olorin: "stop" all totems? |
| 22:27.55 | Lunessa | Olorin: Do you mean remove all totems? |
| 22:27.57 | Cidan | alestane: jinx? |
| 22:27.57 | alestane | Totemic Call? |
| 22:28.00 | Shirik | you know, make them not go |
| 22:28.04 | Cidan | lol |
| 22:28.05 | Olorin | meant cancel |
| 22:28.12 | Olorin | lol |
| 22:28.12 | alestane | Totems are extremely stopped by default. |
| 22:28.28 | NeoTron | Olorin: as a shaman you have totemic call to do that |
| 22:28.35 | Olorin | that'll teach me... sarcastic bunch... |
| 22:28.38 | NeoTron | assuming that is what you meant |
| 22:28.42 | Olorin | yes |
| 22:28.55 | Lunessa | The spell is http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=36936 |
| 22:29.02 | Lunessa | Totemic call. |
| 22:29.03 | alestane | Sorry, you were just a little unclear. |
| 22:29.32 | Olorin | hehe no need to be sorry, I deserved that lol |
| 22:29.37 | alestane | Okay folks, gotta go. |
| 22:30.11 | Cidan | so, I use Chrome, but I hate that I don't have adblock |
| 22:30.15 | Cidan | then I remember, privoxy |
| 22:30.17 | Cidan | woot. |
| 22:30.19 | Olorin | ah ok its lvl 30, my shammy only 24, ill plod on clicking them off when done |
| 22:31.12 | Lunessa | There's a scriptable command for canceling them, but I don't recall it off hand and I'm too lazy to go digging through FrameXML for it. |
| 22:31.38 | Olorin | hehe thanks for heads up Lunessa |
| 22:32.02 | Thunder_Child | someone go make a good free IRC client and Chess program for the iphone/ipod touch please |
| 22:32.45 | Dewin | Thunder_Child: Buy me an iphone and I will? |
| 22:33.54 | malreth | someone ported Deep Green to the iPhone recently |
| 22:34.24 | malreth | probably one of the best chess programs that you'll find on the iphone |
| 22:34.25 | Thunder_Child | Dewin, i'll get you the free apps creator |
| 22:34.53 | Cidan | buy me an iphone/ipod touch, and sure; I have a licence for a middleware platform that can put out iphone binaries |
| 22:34.54 | malreth | as for irc... eh.. just get an SSH term |
| 22:35.23 | Dewin | so... the PTR copy is up, but the PTR client is not yet available? |
| 22:35.25 | Dewin | Weirdness |
| 22:35.33 | Cidan | what |
| 22:35.36 | Cidan | the |
| 22:35.36 | Cidan | fuck |
| 22:35.39 | Cidan | why are language packs for Vista |
| 22:35.44 | Cidan | like, 700 megs? |
| 22:35.59 | malreth | because windows is all kinds of messed up |
| 22:36.09 | Thunder_Child | boo @ $5 malreth |
| 22:36.14 | Olorin | probably includes tutorials movie files in alternate languages? |
| 22:36.17 | Corr-work | i don't know what the Language Packs are, really. |
| 22:36.22 | Corr-work | what's all in them? |
| 22:36.30 | zenzelezz | I always suspected malreth was cheap, but $5? |
| 22:36.34 | malreth | Thunder_Child: you'll pay more for a latte... |
| 22:36.38 | malreth | a full body latte |
| 22:36.46 | Corr-work | i'd rather have a full body massage |
| 22:36.46 | Thunder_Child | about ~600 Cidan, but yat, it's crazy |
| 22:36.58 | Thunder_Child | malreth, no i wont, i dont drink coffe |
| 22:37.07 | Corr-work | mmmmmmm |
| 22:37.33 | Duman | o.O |
| 22:38.24 | kd3 | mm |
| 22:41.22 | Lunessa | ... |
| 22:42.18 | Tekkub | and you people say I'm weird |
| 22:42.21 | Tekkub | fuck you all! |
| 22:43.25 | zenzelezz | well you're the one with a MotW tattoo |
| 22:43.36 | Shirik | heh.... |
| 22:43.42 | Shirik | Someone has been having a little too much fun on my server |
| 22:43.52 | Thunder_Child | thats not weird, thats fanboi |
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| 22:44.11 | Tekkub | It's a bearpaw, not my fault it looks similar |
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| 22:44.20 | Thunder_Child | damn right it is |
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| 22:45.01 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 22:45.18 | Tekkub | I still need an idea for another tattoo |
| 22:45.23 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/08497e973cee3ad46d4b0eeeea1b0a7a.jpg |
| 22:45.30 | Tekkub | I want another, but no ideas |
| 22:45.40 | zenzelezz | Thorns! |
| 22:45.49 | Dashkal | Shirik: O.o |
| 22:45.55 | malreth | a gear |
| 22:46.35 | mikma | tekkub: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/c/c3/Ability_Racial_BearForm.png |
| 22:46.37 | Tekkub | I was thinking I could get like 1/3 sleeves |
| 22:46.54 | Tekkub | long enoug h that they just poke out from under s tshirt |
| 22:46.56 | Tekkub | and get fur |
| 22:47.47 | malreth | later all... |
| 22:48.27 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, your facination with fur might be a bit to much |
| 22:48.35 | Tekkub | :P |
| 22:49.34 | Thunder_Child | now we know what to get you for your birthday Tekkub, http://www.incywincycyber.co.uk/images/trousers_chaps/rodeo.jpg |
| 22:49.58 | Tekkub | pink? ew |
| 22:50.51 | Corr-work | as long as they're assless, they'll do |
| 22:53.17 | Tekkub | have you ever seen ASSED chaps? |
| 22:53.26 | Tekkub | no... then they're just leather pants... |
| 22:53.39 | mikma | so, two dk's in same party. will both benefit from each diseases? example: dk1 slams 2 diseases on mob, dk2 can just spam scourge strike |
| 22:54.01 | Tekkub | mikma, no, and they're fixing ebon plague because of that |
| 22:54.18 | Arrowmaster | in alpha and beta they used to, was totally broken |
| 22:54.42 | mikma | so dk needs to slam his own diseases for his scourge strike to work? |
| 22:54.47 | Tem|work | where totally == awesomely |
| 22:55.09 | Tem|work | getting the benefit of 15 diseases in an all dk 5man was hillariou |
| 22:55.13 | NeoTron | mikma: yes |
| 22:55.22 | Tem|work | (back when DKs had 3 diseases before talents) |
| 22:55.29 | NeoTron | mikma: and as noted above, with >1 unholy DK only one of them gets the benefit from ebon plague |
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| 22:55.30 | Tem|work | *tear* Degeneration |
| 22:55.31 | Tem|work | I miss you |
| 22:55.55 | Cidan | I hate watching shows that use computer lingo, or that have to do with computer forensics |
| 22:55.56 | mikma | i didn't mean that each dk can slam his own disease on mob and the mob has n+1 diseases, but the other dk's can take benefit of the diseases dk1 has put up |
| 22:56.18 | Thunder_Child | Cidan, any particular reason? |
| 22:56.28 | Tem|work | Cidan: I don't mind when they use computer lingo CORRECTLY |
| 22:56.43 | NeoTron | mikma: no they can't ;-) |
| 22:56.46 | Cidan | they never do though |
| 22:56.49 | Tem|work | mikma: you only benefit from the diseases on the target that YOU put there |
| 22:56.51 | Cidan | watching NCIS |
| 22:56.53 | Cidan | I want to stab my self |
| 22:56.54 | mikma | aww poop! |
| 22:56.54 | Tem|work | Cidan: I know.. |
| 22:57.01 | Tem|work | NCIS is particularly bad about that |
| 22:57.10 | mikma | so are they fixing that or is it intended? |
| 22:57.16 | Tem|work | intended |
| 22:57.21 | NeoTron | mikma: the scaling from that was rediculous - imagine the requirement to have 10 DK's in a 25-man raid for leet dps |
| 22:57.32 | mikma | that basicly means "don't bring more than 1 dk in raid" |
| 22:57.35 | NeoTron | even with 2-3 DK's in beta it was literally sick |
| 22:57.39 | NeoTron | mikma: no? |
| 22:57.40 | Tem|work | mikma: um... no |
| 22:57.54 | NeoTron | more than 1 unholy DK in the raid is, now, not wise |
| 22:57.54 | Tem|work | right now you don't bring more than one unholy dk |
| 22:57.56 | mikma | well the diseases dk's slam on mobs overwrite each other? |
| 22:57.57 | Tem|work | but that's a bug |
| 22:58.05 | Tem|work | no |
| 22:58.07 | NeoTron | mikma: they don't |
| 22:58.13 | Tem|work | only ebon plague can only have one stack |
| 22:58.14 | Corr-work | what's the bug? |
| 22:58.16 | Tem|work | and that's a bug |
| 22:58.22 | Corr-work | ah |
| 22:58.38 | mikma | oh ok! thanks for the clarification. i was grouping with dk last night and was wondering about this exact question :) |
| 22:59.29 | Tem|work | before they made that change, a raid of only DKs would trivialize content |
| 22:59.39 | Tem|work | the tank could easily heal himself with death strike alone |
| 22:59.54 | mikma | yeah i can understand why that was propably nerfed prettty quickly |
| 23:00.03 | Tem|work | and all the other DKs were doing insane damage |
| 23:00.10 | Tem|work | it was hillarious, really |
| 23:00.27 | Tem|work | ooh, and that was back before BCB was nerfed |
| 23:00.38 | Tem|work | it was 100% weapon damage per disease |
| 23:00.40 | mikma | the thing what i was wondering after all that do the diseases of other dk's erase the old disease etc, but if the mob can have the same disease twice, that's cool. except the ebon |
| 23:00.57 | Tem|work | anyway, heading home |
| 23:00.58 | Tem|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.14 | Shirik | on youtube, I see a way to sort by date uploaded |
| 23:01.18 | Shirik | is there any way to see the OLDEST first? |
| 23:01.40 | Corr-work | go to the last page and turn your head upside down |
| 23:01.58 | Shirik | it takes forever to get to the last page |
| 23:03.03 | Cidan | sigh |
| 23:03.16 | mikma | humm so, there's only need to track 2 diseases after all. Plague Strike and Icy Touch. dk's can't apply other buffs with skills (talents allow the auto-apply of more diseases tho) |
| 23:04.23 | Shirik | YES! |
| 23:04.26 | Shirik | I can't believe I found it |
| 23:04.28 | Shirik | gah |
| 23:04.46 | Shirik | now for the real question |
| 23:05.01 | Shirik | oh nm no question, he told me what the songs were, sweet |
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| 23:05.59 | abyx | what is the ui template for Sliders? i can't find it >_> |
| 23:06.15 | Cide | that'd be 3 diseases, mikma |
| 23:06.31 | abyx | OptionsSliderTemplate.... found it |
| 23:06.36 | Cide | oh |
| 23:06.41 | Cide | guess I should read the whole message |
| 23:08.29 | mikma | cide: :D |
| 23:09.02 | mikma | yeah others are passive diseases that you can't apply with skill (yeah yeah they come after you apply some skill lol) |
| 23:09.21 | mikma | basicly all you need to know is when Blood Plague and Frost Fever are about to end |
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| 23:35.40 | Shirik | holy.... shit |
| 23:35.42 | Shirik | All grades reporting in |
| 23:35.46 | Shirik | I have a 3.75 this term |
| 23:36.16 | kd3 | fail. not a 4.0 |
| 23:36.31 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:36.39 | Shirik | Let me show you my GPA from freshman year |
| 23:36.51 | Shirik | Term 0.706 17.00 4.00 12.00 |
| 23:36.51 | Shirik | Cum 1.545 33.00 43.00 51.00 |
| 23:36.54 | Shirik | (The first number) |
| 23:37.09 | Shirik | But that was due to medical reasons, that's going to be taken off my transcript soon |
| 23:37.15 | Shirik | But still, I'm happy to have anything over a 3.0 |
| 23:38.47 | Shirik | (To be fair, though, I think I'm the only person at my school that has both "Academic Probation" and "Honor Roll" and "Dean's List" on their transcript) |
| 23:39.15 | Corr-work | awesome |
| 23:40.22 | Shirik | Freshman year was the year I found out I was hyperthyroid :( |
| 23:40.57 | Corr-work | that's like bad, right? |
| 23:47.46 | ccox | if not treated, yes |
| 23:47.55 | Gnarfoz | wikipedia, right? |
| 23:48.03 | Gnarfoz | or can someone paraphrase ^^ |
| 23:48.04 | ccox | with medication (and following the doctor's guidelines), no |
| 23:48.23 | ccox | what does wikipedia have to do with it? |
| 23:49.25 | Thunder_Child | heh, i graduated highschool with a 1.6 gpa |
| 23:51.11 | jaxdahl | PTR isn't up yet right? |
| 23:51.21 | Shirik | Corr-work: If not treated (like I was in Freshman year) it can be very bad :) |
| 23:51.30 | Shirik | To this day I don't have any real problems that I'm aware of |
| 23:51.52 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk would probably disagree but I try to ignore her advice, she's always trying to send me to the hospital or something |
| 23:51.52 | Shirik | :P |
| 23:52.10 | kd3 | jax; no. still "invalid version"ing out with a 3.0.8-patched client |
| 23:52.13 | Shirik | (For when Cairenn|afk gets back: I'm just playing you know I <3 you ) |
| 23:53.06 | Industrial | Anyone know the attackspeed of Searing Totem? |
| 23:53.26 | Industrial | "reapeatedly attacks an enemy" ... |
| 23:54.16 | Industrial | ill have call of flame 3/3 next patch anyway to even try to keep u with AOE from other classes but seeing if I want to use searing totem since ToW is always up anyway from en elem sham. |
| 23:54.39 | Industrial | in the event there is no aoe and I can use a fire totem :P |
| 23:54.57 | Xiro | is there a way to concatenate in a loop using lua? an example: for i=0, num do row = row .. i end |
| 23:54.57 | Duman | 2 sec I think? |
| 23:54.58 | Industrial | I usually just say fuck it but hey, dps is dps >_> |
| 23:55.12 | Duman | haven't payed that close attention to it, i guess, heh |
| 23:55.20 | Xiro | not a perfect example, but I think it shows what I want to do... currently, I get an error for trying to concatenate a nil value |
| 23:55.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Industrial: yeah, about 2s |
| 23:55.43 | Industrial | row='' for i=1,10 do ror=row..i end |
| 23:55.46 | Industrial | Xiro: ^ ? |
| 23:55.48 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: k |
| 23:55.56 | Xiro | yeah, I tried that.. didn't seem to wokr |
| 23:55.57 | Xiro | work |
| 23:56.32 | Industrial | so thats 12.55 damage per mana on average int eh optimal case for searing totem rank 10 >_> |
| 23:56.39 | Industrial | Xiro: astey.net |
| 23:56.42 | Industrial | pastey.net* |
| 23:58.40 | Xiro | Industrial: I figured it out.. it had a problem with me doing that with a table element.. so instead of row I was doing tbl.row = '' for i=0, num do tbl.row = tbl.row .. i end |
