IRC log for #wowuidev on 20081210

`00:00.10`	`Amarande`	`I know I got most of my shadow motes from voidwalkers, but I haven't seen much of NR yet outside of Borean`
`00:00.24`	`*** join/#wowuidev Fatalis[AFK] (n=fatalis@68-188-68-189.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com)`
`00:00.34`	`Wobin`	`Lunessa: aha, I've not started on Saronite yet`
`00:01.04`	`Wobin`	`although I want the crafted saronite plate`
`00:01.16`	`Lunessa`	`No, not that I've seen. There's elemental Revenants in Storm Peaks and apparently some in Wintersgrasp. But I haven't seen many mob drops of crystalized shadow.`
`00:01.23`	`Kraps`	`this is just sad though http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13275172692&sid=1`
`00:01.34`	`mikma`	`wobin: btw...`
`00:01.39`	`Lunessa`	`Wobin, Yes. it's good stuff. Too bad you're on some other server, or I'd make you some.`
`00:01.51`	`Wobin`	`Lunessa: <3 for the thought =)`
`00:01.58`	`Wobin`	`What server are you on, anyway?`
`00:02.11`	`Lunessa`	`Kirin Tor (US)`
`00:02.24`	`Wobin`	`Alas, Proudmoore (US)`
`00:03.22`	`mikma`	`Finland (EU)`
`00:03.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Kirin Tor rules!!`
`00:03.45`	`Wobin`	`Australia (AU)?`
`00:05.27`	`Wobin`	`I like my guild too much to move now =P`
`00:05.28`	`mikma`	`wobin: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Oe`
`00:05.36`	`Wobin`	`even to play with RL friends`
`00:06.14`	`Wobin`	`nice 80! =)`
`00:06.26`	`Lunessa`	`Kraps: That thread = so much QQ trolling`
`00:06.27`	`mikma`	`now starts the hard part`
`00:06.31`	`mikma`	`gearing =(`
`00:06.55`	`Wobin`	`are you going to tank or dps?`
`00:06.57`	`Lunessa`	`coughhttp://groundingtotem.com/cough`
`00:07.00`	`mikma`	`need to decide what i want to be when i grow up`
`00:07.08`	`Wobin`	`hehe =)`
`00:07.09`	`Lunessa`	`Er...`
`00:07.10`	`mikma`	`dps or tank`
`00:07.10`	`Lunessa`	`http://groundingtotem.com/`
`00:07.27`	`Kraps`	`mikma: druid?`
`00:07.43`	`mikma`	`wobin: check out my new talent-tree lol, my daily/heroic/raid dps build`
`00:07.52`	`mikma`	`kraps: see link above`
`00:08.06`	`Wobin`	`Lunessa: http://www.theoldergamers.com =)`
`00:09.10`	`Lunessa`	`Wobin: sweet. Bookmarking.`
`00:09.46`	`Wobin`	`mikma: oh cool, we have a guild on Emerald Dream`
`00:10.19`	`mikma`	`us and horde?`
`00:11.06`	`Wobin`	`lets see`
`00:11.06`	`*** join/#wowuidev \|Jelly\| (n=chatzill@66-169-186-78.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com)`
`00:11.34`	`\|Jelly\|`	`http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/virozir/gangstagmlol_original.jpg if it's old, I don't care`
`00:11.43`	`*** join/#wowuidev HypnoTURTLE (n=fatalis@68-188-68-189.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com)`
`00:11.46`	`Wobin`	`alliance it appears`
`00:11.52`	`Wobin`	`They're called Templars of Glory`
`00:12.08`	`Wobin`	`as a rule, all ToG guilds have ToG as the acronym =)`
`00:12.15`	`Wobin`	`(most of the time)`
`00:12.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Jelly, that's damn disturbing.`
`00:15.06`	`mikma`	`jerekdain: oh damn, priceless`
`00:15.12`	`Lunessa`	`\|Jelly\|: werd playa`
`00:15.22`	`mikma`	`\|jelly\|: it was meant for you`
`00:15.34`	`mikma`	`jerekdain: not you, you endless idler`
`00:16.03`	`mikma`	`wobin: but on us. did you check my build?`
`00:17.09`	`Wobin`	`mikma: not yet. at work atm so have to fit it in =)`
`00:17.22`	`Wobin`	`anything of regard?`
`00:18.02`	`Lunessa`	`armory = maintenance.`
`00:18.30`	`mikma`	`not the eu one, yet`
`00:20.14`	`Lunessa`	`mikma: So tis. Your build looks good to me, but... no Master of Ghouls makes me a sad panda.`
`00:21.01`	`Wobin`	`Is MoG that useful in raids?`
`00:21.05`	`Wobin`	`I've heard not =\`
`00:21.13`	`Wobin`	`It's damn useful in everything else, mind you`
`00:21.13`	`mikma`	`i heard not too`
`00:21.19`	`mikma`	`dies all the time`
`00:21.37`	`Wobin`	`Needs more avoidance, stat`
`00:21.37`	`foxlit`	`Well, you could care and deathcoil it once in a while`
`00:21.43`	`Wobin`	`although I hear that's being fixed too`
`00:21.47`	`mikma`	`wobin: well, not that useful to be honest =) i can still get it for 2mins tho`
`00:21.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Ha, high ASCII name creation has been disabled`
`00:22.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`heh Lich King got a 9.0 review`
`00:22.03`	`Wobin`	`orly?`
`00:22.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Not against the rules, but you can't create one anymore`
`00:22.16`	`Wobin`	`oo`
`00:22.17`	`mikma`	`what i heard it dies really easile even if healers are awake`
`00:22.21`	`Amarande`	`Scythe: including guilds and pets, or only characters?`
`00:22.30`	`mikma`	`it has just too few hp for instances`
`00:22.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Character name creation is as far as I know`
`00:22.33`	`Wobin`	`mikma: It has no AoE avoidance like other pets`
`00:22.59`	`mikma`	`if it gets fixed later, i will most likely get it back`
`00:23.13`	`Amarande`	`bah, we need tameable purple spiders`
`00:23.19`	`Wobin`	`Shadow of Death is always good`
`00:23.23`	`Wobin`	`When it damn well procs`
`00:23.24`	`Lunessa`	`Spiders of the Purple Mage?`
`00:23.28`	`Wobin`	`goddamnit`
`00:23.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`ScytheBlade1: poor NA wow :>`
`00:23.40`	`mikma`	`amarande: there is spiders in storm peaks that are purple`
`00:23.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Gnarfoz: I'm pleased`
`00:23.51`	`Amarande`	`mikma: according to petopia, untameable`
`00:23.59`	`Gnarfoz`	`I guess so, NA is xenophobic :P`
`00:24.07`	`Amarande`	`confirmed at wowhead, too`
`00:24.18`	`Amarande`	`the only other purple spiders are in naxx, and a non-issue right now tamingwise as they're above the level cap`
`00:24.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Gnarfoz: no, mostly I'm just sick of not being able to type names. No, "alt codes" are not acceptable`
`00:24.31`	`Lunessa`	`I think we're just sick of having lots of people who are hard to report, whisper, etc.`
`00:24.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`can't blame ASCII for your keyboard layout being stupid :>`
`00:24.38`	`mikma`	`amarande: damn`
`00:24.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No, YOUR keyboard layout is stupid!`
`00:24.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`etc etc etc`
`00:24.58`	`foxlit`	`What they really need to do is make aliases.`
`00:25.03`	`Amarande`	`Lunessa: Party invite is the main thing I always had problems with with high ascii names`
`00:25.11`	`Amarande`	`as for reporting, meh, reporting is overrated`
`00:25.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`built-in tab-autocomplete :.`
`00:25.17`	`Wobin`	`ScytheBlade1: you mean "No you're keyboard layout is stupid!"`
`00:25.18`	`*** join/#wowuidev Pneumatus_ (n=WiN@unaffiliated/pneumatus)`
`00:25.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Wobin: /smack`
`00:25.27`	`Wobin`	`hehe`
`00:25.28`	`Amarande`	`I generally don't feel like taking the time to report people other than gold advertisers`
`00:25.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`~smack wobin`
`00:25.30`	`purl`	`ACTION smacks wobin upside the head.`
`00:25.32`	`Lunessa`	`Amarande: If names didn't get linked with menus, most of the spammers on Kirin Tor would be hard to report.`
`00:25.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`Amarande: you don't use BadBoy? :p`
`00:25.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The names are still allowed`
`00:25.53`	`Wobin`	`Badboy is the shiznit`
`00:25.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But can't be created/renamed anymore`
`00:26.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`Wobin: word`
`00:26.04`	`Lunessa`	`But if create is blocked, woo!`
`00:26.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Lunessa: exactly`
`00:26.35`	`mikma`	`yeah... i hope they buff the ghouls`
`00:26.44`	`Wobin`	`Lunessa: And most spammers don't bother with high ascii, they just have long chains of random letters`
`00:26.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I just tried to create "Sbo" with an esset at the start`
`00:26.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"Failure"`
`00:26.56`	`mikma`	`they die too easily in instances, and the leap-bug is annoying`
`00:27.06`	`Wobin`	`I turned leap off =P`
`00:27.10`	`Fisker-`	`Fisker- the bringer of RAGE`
`00:27.12`	`mikma`	`me too`
`00:27.13`	`Lunessa`	`I am Hans, and this is Franz. And we are here to PUMP UP UP! at Ghoul's Gym!`
`00:27.24`	`Wobin`	`Fisker-: Did you bring enough for everybody to have some?!`
`00:27.29`	`Fisker-`	`yep`
`00:27.33`	`Wobin`	`good good`
`00:27.36`	`mikma`	`wobin: oh another thing that annoyes me!`
`00:27.37`	`Fisker-`	`infact i'm not having some myself`
`00:27.42`	`foxlit`	`I also vote for allowing raise Dead on undead.`
`00:27.58`	`mikma`	`selecting your ghoul results a voice "me buy, and, trade"`
`00:28.01`	`Lunessa`	`"I'll never get to see heaven, will I?"`
`00:28.03`	`mikma`	`wut?`
`00:28.09`	`Fisker-`	`nothing like seeing bodies decompose into skeletons when they can't reach their corpse`
`00:28.13`	`Wobin`	`It's all about -where- your ghoul came from =P`
`00:28.13`	`foxlit`	`mikma: "sail.... here..."`
`00:28.24`	`Wobin`	`"Shiiiny"`
`00:28.25`	`mikma`	`really, my minion buys ans trades stuff..`
`00:28.46`	`Wobin`	`As much as I like the random ghoul names`
`00:29.05`	`Wobin`	`if they had random (opposite faction) names, that would be even cooler =P`
`00:29.23`	`mikma`	`RottenThrall?`
`00:29.30`	`Wobin`	`no, just player names =)`
`00:29.31`	`*** join/#wowuidev Corgan (n=Corgan@cpe-66-91-4-18.hawaii.res.rr.com)`
`00:29.36`	`mikma`	`hehe`
`00:29.53`	`mikma`	`would be priceless in pvp`
`00:30.56`	`Lunessa`	`I'm just glad the ability that lets you turn a dead comrade into a ghoul doesn't put that comrade under your control.`
`00:31.05`	`mikma`	`imho, raising opposite faction that removes their spirit ress and makes them fight with you`
`00:32.03`	`mikma`	`passive ghoul with the player on board as a passanger for the ghouls duration`
`00:32.05`	`mikma`	`lolo`
`00:32.34`	`Lunessa`	`As much as I suck at PvP I might as well read a book during a BG if that could happen.`
`00:33.00`	`mikma`	`i was about to report Misantrophy name today =/ but cba`
`00:33.30`	`Wobin`	`what's wrong with that name?`
`00:34.02`	`\|pez\|`	`Weeell, that went horribly bad XD`
`00:34.57`	`Amarande`	`mikma: that could be bad`
`00:35.15`	`Amarande`	`on battlegroups where, say, av becomes a turtle all the time`
`00:35.29`	`Amarande`	`all one side has to do is bring a premade of 40 DKs and take over everyone`
`00:35.43`	`Amarande`	`and then auto win, because they have two minutes to do anything whatsoever without opposition, the other guys can't even do anything but /bg chat`
`00:36.06`	`mikma`	`wobin: googling, moment`
`00:36.06`	`Amarande`	`DKs are already a tad overpowered, seems to be the general thought`
`00:36.15`	`Wobin`	`can you -imagine- 40 dk premade?`
`00:36.24`	`Wobin`	`It'd be like a popcorn maker =P`
`00:36.29`	`Amarande`	`And you know what would happen after that?`
`00:36.43`	`Amarande`	`Then everyone who didn't abuse DKs would be wailing like a banshee as the class got nerfed into oblivion`
`00:36.45`	`Wobin`	`mikma: I know what misanthropy is`
`00:36.56`	`Lunessa`	`The universe would explode for your viewing pleasure?`
`00:37.11`	`Amarande`	`Lunessa: the universe already does that`
`00:37.21`	`Amarande`	`apparently it's supposed to keep exploding for all eternity`
`00:37.25`	`mikma`	`wobin: well basicly it means the hate against life or so`
`00:37.26`	`Lunessa`	`Amarande: Quit taking the drugs if you're not going to share.`
`00:37.48`	`Amarande`	`Lunessa: technically, the universe is still in the process of the expansive explosion that was begun with the Big Bang`
`00:37.55`	`Lunessa`	`brb.. shredding sensitive documents.`
`00:37.58`	`Amarande`	`and current science believes it will always do so. :)`
`00:38.00`	`Wobin`	`mikma: so what's wrong with that as a name?`
`00:38.11`	`Wobin`	`oh wait, ED is RP-PVP isn't it?`
`00:38.25`	`mikma`	`wobin: was linked in the schoolmassacre that happened in finland`
`00:38.27`	`Wobin`	`I've gotten used to non RP names =P`
`00:38.59`	`Amarande`	`Until we get to the totally boring point where the universe each consists of individual particles, and if you were there to observe, the only thing you would ever be able to see was your particle, because everything else is too far away :)`
`00:39.51`	`Amarande`	`Well, assuming your particle was even large enough to see, heh`
`00:40.26`	`mikma`	`wobin: pve normal`
`00:40.27`	`Lunessa`	`Amarande: I'm familiar with the "expanding universe" concept and the cosmology that and research that attends it. Brian Greene has some really good books aout about it.`
`00:40.54`	`foxlit`	`"You don't know who you're messing with, death knight! Death beckons!"`
`00:40.56`	`mikma`	`wobin: i am not that crazy to play in rp =D`
`00:41.09`	`Amarande`	`Lunessa: It seems like a really boring way for the universe to end.`
`00:41.29`	`Lunessa`	`Which is probably why it will happen that way.`
`00:41.39`	`mikma`	`http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_120908_033420.jpg =D`
`00:42.26`	`Wobin`	`foxlit: Yes, it really does. DeathGrip <questmob>`
`00:43.37`	`Lunessa`	`mikma: My shaman brother in that image is totally rocking the discoveries.`
`00:43.42`	`Wobin`	`hm`
`00:43.43`	`Amarande`	`glah`
`00:43.47`	`Amarande`	`why does chilled meat never ever drop?`
`00:43.56`	`Wobin`	`Using parameters in MySQL queries will guarantee safe input, correct?`
`00:43.58`	`Lunessa`	`It drops like candy.`
`00:44.04`	`mikma`	`lunessa: bling bling!`
`00:44.13`	`Wobin`	`I have heaps`
`00:44.18`	`Wobin`	`kill bears in grizzly`
`00:44.34`	`Amarande`	`ah, is that quest supposed to be postponed till 75-80?`
`00:44.34`	`Dewin`	`Kill apes in Sholozar`
`00:44.46`	`Lunessa`	`Don't kill things that have their own meat, like wyrms or rhinos.`
`00:44.46`	`Amarande`	`I've done 50 quests in Borean, and I know I've only seen one so far`
`00:45.25`	`Wobin`	`kill the deer`
`00:45.30`	`Wobin`	`or mammoth`
`00:45.37`	`Wobin`	`I think`
`00:45.42`	`mikma`	`mammoths drop mammoth meat`
`00:45.51`	`Wobin`	`kk`
`00:45.53`	`Amarande`	`yeah, mammoths drop meat that makes you sad :)`
`00:46.02`	`mikma`	`lol yeah`
`00:46.07`	`Amarande`	`heh, I've already found two of the four emotion food recipes`
`00:46.14`	`mikma`	`but its also used in feast`
`00:46.17`	`*** join/#wowuidev Pneumatus_ (n=WiN@unaffiliated/pneumatus)`
`00:46.30`	`\|pez\|`	`I've got lots of chilled meat. :o`
`00:46.30`	`mikma`	`emo-food`
`00:47.08`	`Lunessa`	`They drop in instances. My first run of Utgarde Keep got me all 4.`
`00:47.37`	`Amarande`	`Lunessa: they seem to also drop a fair bit from the hunters etc. DEHTA sends you to take care of in Borean`
`00:47.43`	`Wobin`	`I should grind cooking up`
`00:47.50`	`mikma`	`and i thought the firstaid book drops in instances`
`00:47.52`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I got three of them just doing quests outside of Utgard.`
`00:47.58`	`Wobin`	`but that'd mean I'd have to grind fishing`
`00:47.59`	`mikma`	`dropped for me in zul'drak`
`00:48.03`	`Amarande`	`mikma: first aid book drops from certain parts of Zul'Drak`
`00:48.06`	`Dewin`	`FA requires 400 skill to even see it.`
`00:48.09`	`Dewin`	`can drop from anything`
`00:48.09`	`Wobin`	`mikma: That's the -best- place to get it`
`00:48.10`	`Amarande`	`reason it seems rare apparently is because you must have 390+ FA to see it`
`00:48.13`	`Wobin`	`no no`
`00:48.20`	`Amarande`	`400 to use, 390 to see, according to wowhead`
`00:48.22`	`Lunessa`	`I'm /still/ looking for the Dense Frostweave bandage book. :(`
`00:48.28`	`Wobin`	`There's one location where there are friendly mobs that are fighting some others`
`00:48.33`	`kd3`	`I hit 400 in HF. didn't get it until I hit z'd`
`00:48.35`	`Wobin`	`You stand there and tag the mobs`
`00:48.37`	`Amarande`	`Lunessa: you mean Heavy, or is there one above that?`
`00:48.38`	`Wobin`	`and loot`
`00:48.40`	`Wobin`	`and tag`
`00:48.41`	`Wobin`	`and loot`
`00:48.42`	`kd3`	`dense doesn't exist`
`00:48.45`	`kd3`	`they pulled it`
`00:48.48`	`Lunessa`	`There was one above it in beta. :(`
`00:48.49`	`Wobin`	`I got the book after about 5 minutes`
`00:48.58`	`Lunessa`	`So I guess I can quit looking for it.`
`00:49.04`	`Dewin`	`I had an a single instance pull drop 2 once`
`00:49.07`	`Dewin`	`and I was the only one who saw both`
`00:49.09`	`mikma`	`wobin: basicly... sholazar basin oracles dailys with the 3 crystals`
`00:49.10`	`Dewin`	`so I took both and vendored one`
`00:49.18`	`Amarande`	`Dewin: let's just be glad the old master loot bug was fixed :)`
`00:49.24`	`End`	`since when can I use fear on undead o_O`
`00:49.32`	`Dewin`	`Amarande: What was it?`
`00:49.36`	`mikma`	`turn evil!`
`00:49.45`	`Amarande`	`Dewin: it was a BC bug with the BoP tradeskill recipes`
`00:49.54`	`Amarande`	`If Master Loot was on, and the Master Looter could not personally use the tradeskill recipe`
`00:50.05`	`Amarande`	`then if they closed the window while that was the only item left, they couldn't reopen it`
`00:50.10`	`Dewin`	`ouch.`
`00:50.19`	`Amarande`	`I think some Kara guilds lost their Mongoose recipes from that back in the day`
`00:50.23`	`Amarande`	`back when Kara was actually hard, too :)`
`00:51.50`	`Lunessa`	`Heh. Some friends and I still kit kara on resets because Mongoose hasn't f'ing dropped.`
`00:52.08`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Mmm, Kara!`
`00:52.39`	`\|pez\|`	`Never been in Kara...`
`00:53.52`	`Amarande`	`ffs. when are they going to fix the pet movement problems in northrend water`
`00:53.56`	`Corr-work`	`i've got like 100 screenshots if you want to see what i did there :P`
`00:54.11`	`Amarande`	`I am CONSTANTLY having my felguard lag behind to the point of despawning whenever swimming, if I don't keep stopping`
`00:54.19`	`Amarande`	`I don't think that ever happened in azeroth or outland`
`00:54.22`	`Dewin`	`my pets randomly despawn alot too`
`00:54.23`	`Wobin`	`\|pez\|: And now you never will =(`
`00:54.25`	`mikma`	`i got mongoose as proof that i have been in kara`
`00:54.37`	`mikma`	`also the other enchant`
`00:54.51`	`Amarande`	`executioner? that was zul'aman`
`00:54.51`	`\|pez\|`	`Wobin: One can still go to Kara, yes? :P`
`00:55.13`	`mikma`	`frostsomething?`
`00:55.16`	`Corr-work`	`good luck getting a group. it has its fun moments. but not the prince. >:o`
`00:55.18`	`\|pez\|`	`Amarande: same happens with my pet.`
`00:55.21`	`Corr-work`	`and now, it's home time`
`00:55.33`	`\|pez\|`	`How many do you need at lvl 80? :P`
`00:55.38`	`mikma`	`soulfrost`
`00:55.45`	`Wobin`	`\|pez\|: good luck getting a group =)`
`00:55.56`	`Wobin`	`esp one who has bothered to get a key`
`00:56.08`	`\|pez\|`	`Not my question, How many people would you need at level 80?`
`00:56.26`	`Lunessa`	`\|pez\|: a group of 5 cleared from start to curator in 35 on Sunday night.`
`00:56.33`	`Wobin`	`unless you do it at 80`
`00:56.36`	`Wobin`	`and then it's just no fun`
`00:56.40`	`Lunessa`	`35 minutes that is.`
`00:56.54`	`Wobin`	`hehe Chess might be a bit tough with fewer people`
`00:56.58`	`\|pez\|`	`I just want to go through them, for achievements and whatnot.`
`00:57.16`	`Lunessa`	`Attumen > Moroes > Opera > Curator pretty much non-stop, crazy pulls.`
`00:57.33`	`Amarande`	`Lunessa: Which Opera?`
`00:57.39`	`Wobin`	`Lunessa: easy enough with the AOE we have now`
`00:57.46`	`Lunessa`	`We got Little Red Riding Hood.`
`00:57.48`	`\|pez\|`	`Heck, I found a group to AQ... we wiped, but there was still a group XD So why would it be harder to find one for Kara?`
`00:58.13`	`Wobin`	`\|pez\|: cause everyone who has run kara is utterly utterly sick of doing it`
`00:58.20`	`Lunessa`	`Peppy - we're probably going to go again this week looking for a Mongoose drop.`
`00:58.28`	`Amarande`	`whereas only a very small percentage of players have even seen AQ40`
`00:58.50`	`\|pez\|`	`Okkeeeh`
`00:58.53`	`foxlit`	`Asric and Jadaar are in Dalaran.`
`00:58.55`	`foxlit`	`Awesome stuff.`
`00:59.03`	`mikma`	`aq40 mounts kek`
`00:59.10`	`\|pez\|`	`I'll probably get some friends to come, and get them to bring their guilds XD`
`00:59.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Depends which day/time, Lunessa. I have a holiday party on Saturday late afternoon/evening my time.`
`00:59.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Let me know, you see me most days.`
`00:59.15`	`mikma`	`foxlit: who?`
`00:59.23`	`Lunessa`	`Will do.`
`01:00.02`	`Wobin`	`Mongoose just drops off Moroes, doesn't it?`
`01:00.04`	`\|pez\|`	`We wiped at the twin people, btw, in AQ 40, if anyone care to share some awesome tactics for a smaller team XD`
`01:00.15`	`Wobin`	`warlock tank?`
`01:00.48`	`\|pez\|`	`We did have a warlock to tank one of them, but after... one or two tries he had to run off to work.`
`01:00.53`	`foxlit`	`mikma: did you sleep through Griftah's story? :)`
`01:00.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I think so, Wobin. There's something that drops outside of Opera.`
`01:01.27`	`mikma`	`foxlit: you mean the moving? no idea whats his story`
`01:01.30`	`\|pez\|`	`Ohwell, we were gonna try again later. When people had more time.`
`01:01.44`	`foxlit`	`Well, moving is close enough.`
`01:01.54`	`Lunessa`	`If your post uses "ppl" for "people" expect me to pass it over. Seriously, where do these folks learn to write?`
`01:02.06`	`foxlit`	`Jadaar and Asric were the investigators responsible for that.`
`01:02.33`	`Dewin`	`Lunessa: i have no idea where ppl lrn 2 right, srsly.`
`01:02.36`	`mikma`	`i wonder what was thhe idea behind that one lol`
`01:02.37`	`Lunessa`	`Mongoose is from Moroes. Something else drops off Shade. We just cleared the rest for giggles.`
`01:02.42`	`Dewin`	`</sarcasm>`
`01:02.54`	`mikma`	`blizz just moved him around with no reason?`
`01:03.00`	`foxlit`	`No, there's a whole story.`
`01:03.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`shade is the arcane/fire one, i forgot the name`
`01:03.07`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i think, at least`
`01:03.14`	`mikma`	`well, where is the story`
`01:03.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`or is that soulfrost?`
`01:03.29`	`mikma`	`soulfroat drops from the demon`
`01:03.33`	`foxlit`	`In the game, mostly.`
`01:03.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`sunfire! thats the name`
`01:03.45`	`foxlit`	`You had to have seen the dialog/ /say spam through patches 2.1-2.4`
`01:03.51`	`*** join/#wowuidev Mr_Rabies (n=Mr_Rabie@adsl-066-156-082-132.sip.asm.bellsouth.net)`
`01:03.58`	`mikma`	`i got the mongoose and soulfrost on same run lol`
`01:04.03`	`foxlit`	`They placed Jadaar next to Griftah with a warning about his scam items in 2.1`
`01:04.23`	`foxlit`	`They moved Griftah out of Shattrah in 2.2, at which point they added Asric "investigating" the items.`
`01:04.58`	`foxlit`	`They moved Griftah back into Shattrah in 2.3, and moved Jadaar and Asric to World's End Tavern, where the two are arguing about whose fault it is that the evidence they collected against Griftah was lost.`
`01:05.04`	`foxlit`	`And now, they're in Dalaran.`
`01:05.11`	`Lopeppeppy`	`laugh`
`01:05.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Awesome.`
`01:05.13`	`mikma`	`hoho`
`01:05.15`	`Wobin`	`oh wait`
`01:05.23`	`Wobin`	`they're the ones in the underbelly?`
`01:05.27`	`foxlit`	`Yep.`
`01:05.29`	`Lunessa`	`Report to Baron Stonemantle... AGAIN.`
`01:05.30`	`Wobin`	`oh god win =)`
`01:05.39`	`Wobin`	`I -love- their conversation`
`01:05.50`	`Wobin`	`I just hadn't linked them back to Shatt =)`
`01:06.15`	`Amarande`	`And the sexyrobe drops in AQ 40, right?`
`01:06.32`	`Amarande`	`or is it 20?`
`01:06.34`	`Amarande`	`think it's 40 though`
`01:06.40`	`Wobin`	`hehe I remember seeing all that interaction, foxlit, but never really linked it all together`
`01:06.54`	`foxlit`	`Comes from having too much free time between raids :)`
`01:07.40`	`foxlit`	`You can read up on http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=23719 , I think`
`01:08.21`	`Lunessa`	`hrm... looks like you've released newer versions of Opie than I currently have installed...`
`01:09.03`	`foxlit`	`I have a convenient RSS feed if you need to keep track of updates :)`
`01:09.21`	`foxlit`	`There are a few issues, I've been slacking on responding to comments, too.`
`01:09.27`	`Amarande`	`ah yes, there's the robe I was thinking of`
`01:09.27`	`Amarande`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21663`
`01:09.51`	`Amarande`	`apparently someone speaks of that having dropped once and going to the priest who was ... an undead male`
`01:09.52`	`Amarande`	`:S`
`01:10.22`	`*** join/#wowuidev Alfuin (n=ji-then@ti0013a380-2072.bb.online.no)`
`01:10.40`	`Alfuin`	`Hello, night owls :D`
`01:11.50`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kraps (n=chatzill@pool-96-250-133-78.nycmny.east.verizon.net)`
`01:12.19`	`Kraps`	`you can be a newb all you want, but never, EVER, be a noob`
`01:12.28`	`Kraps`	`or group with one`
`01:13.28`	`Kraps`	`they are weapons of mass destruction`
`01:13.41`	`Alfuin`	`hehe`
`01:13.46`	`Alfuin`	`totally agree`
`01:13.50`	`Kraps`	`one just destroyed a BFD run`
`01:14.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`BFD is no fun. :(`
`01:14.31`	`Lunessa`	`foxlit: I've been neglecting updates lately. i r teh la-z`
`01:14.44`	`foxlit`	`Meh, as long as it works :)`
`01:15.24`	`Kraps`	`Lopeppeppy: nah its fine`
`01:15.41`	`Lunessa`	`Yeah, "beta 7" is pretty solid for me. But I'm not pushing it hard.`
`01:16.04`	`Kraps`	`oh sh!t its the noob hes in lfg too`
`01:16.45`	`Kraps`	`now i cant use lfg`
`01:16.50`	`Kraps`	`:(`
`01:16.53`	`foxlit`	`http://www.go-hero.net/opie/release/wrath8 is the only changelist that applies to you, then.`
`01:16.55`	`Wobin`	`just ignore him?`
`01:17.15`	`Kraps`	`i'm too nice to do that :(`
`01:17.26`	`foxlit`	`Macro fixes; tap slice fixes.`
`01:17.27`	`Hirsute`	`Nothing wrong with /ignore`
`01:17.35`	`Kraps`	`on the other hand...`
`01:17.46`	`Hirsute`	`Except that Blizz doesn't let us do it to enough people.`
`01:17.51`	`Kraps`	`heh`
`01:18.20`	`Hirsute`	`But, then, you could use ChatFilters to do a stealth ignore....`
`01:18.21`	`Kraps`	`i actually never /ignored on my main`
`01:18.29`	`Hirsute`	`Just filter out all messages where he's the sender.`
`01:18.49`	`Hirsute`	`If he tries to /t you, he won't be told he's being ignored, but you won't see it, either.`
`01:19.12`	`Wobin`	`Hirsute: it's much more satisfying to have them see the "... is ignoring you"`
`01:19.25`	`Wobin`	`although, if we could add a reason "..for being a prat", that'd be good =P`
`01:19.32`	`Hirsute`	`Wobin: If you use chatfilters, you can have your filter function send back a custom ignore message.`
`01:20.01`	`Wobin`	`hehe actually, we should incorporate that chatbot into it`
`01:20.07`	`ZorbaTHut`	`y'know, it'd be neat to allow either the "male" or "female" skins on armor`
`01:20.10`	`Wobin`	`so any message gets redirected to the chatbot`
`01:20.17`	`ZorbaTHut`	`like, as a user preference, not based on your character's gender`
`01:20.30`	`Wobin`	`ZorbaTHut: You feel pretty in a dress?`
`01:20.30`	`ZorbaTHut`	`so if a female character wanted not-ridiculously-skimpy platemail, they could get it`
`01:20.33`	`Hirsute`	`to use a phrase I heard in one of the channels here last night: "... for being pants on head retarded"`
`01:20.38`	`Kraps`	`that guy is a hunter too, score 1 for stereotypical stereotypes`
`01:20.43`	`ZorbaTHut`	`and if a male character wanted to be horrifying-looking, they could do it`
`01:20.53`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I would totally prance around in skimpy female platemail`
`01:20.57`	`Wobin`	`Kraps: DK is the new Nelf hunter`
`01:20.58`	`foxlit`	`It's a modeling issue, I think.`
`01:21.15`	`Kraps`	`Wobin: so i hear`
`01:21.22`	`ZorbaTHut`	`foxlit, I'm not convinced, personally - I bet the texture coordinates are the same`
`01:21.33`	`Hirsute`	`Besides, what would they call them? The bewbs version and the nobewbs version?`
`01:21.34`	`foxlit`	`Armor models are probably defined as alterations to a character model, then texture mapped.`
`01:21.47`	`foxlit`	`So your actual geometry changes :)`
`01:21.48`	`ZorbaTHut`	`there's some lighting issues, but if they were hugely concerned about that, they wouldn't have introduced tauren or draenei`
`01:21.57`	`ZorbaTHut`	`most armor doesn't change geometry, though`
`01:22.10`	`Kraps`	`08:20:37]<ZorbaTHut>so if a female character wanted not-ridiculously-skimpy platemail, they could get it`
`01:22.16`	`Kraps`	`WHAT?`
`01:22.30`	`ZorbaTHut`	`in fact, the only armor that does, that I can think of, is all skirts/kilts (which exist on both models anyway) and shoulderpads/helms/weapons/offhand`
`01:22.36`	`Wobin`	`If they didn't have the Taurens initially, none of the furries would have played =P`
`01:22.37`	`ZorbaTHut`	`all of which, again, exist on both models and don't change`
`01:22.39`	`Kraps`	`no point in playing if you take that away!`
`01:22.53`	`ZorbaTHut`	`kraps, I don't know about you, but I find utilitarian tomboys to be fucking hot`
`01:23.14`	`Kraps`	`good point`
`01:23.15`	`ZorbaTHut`	`honestly a lot of my proposal is "I think guys should be able to mentally scar other people, and girls should have an option to be sexier for Zorba"`
`01:23.28`	`ZorbaTHut`	`both of which I consider strict plusses`
`01:24.57`	`Kraps`	`i cant even go into lfg cuz the guy might be in my group`
`01:25.16`	`Kraps`	`ChatFilters doesnt help with that eh?`
`01:25.16`	`Hirsute`	`You want mental scarring? Naked gnomes and naked undead jumping off the scryer's tier for the "Going Down!" achievement.`
`01:25.35`	`Hirsute`	`Piles of bodies.`
`01:25.46`	`Hirsute`	`Kraps: You can go into LFG, just don't turn on the options to auto-join.`
`01:25.47`	`Alfuin`	`curse lives up to its name...`
`01:26.20`	`Alfuin`	`it is a nightmare to upload and update projects, and it takes forever to get approval. it's a curse`
`01:26.31`	`Gngsk`	`foxlit, are you the author of opie?`
`01:26.36`	`foxlit`	`yes`
`01:26.39`	`Gngsk`	`ahh, nice`
`01:26.49`	`Gngsk`	`i wanted to make a suggestion for hunter's default tracking rings`
`01:26.51`	`ZorbaTHut`	`hirsute, naked gnomes going down, eh?`
`01:27.01`	`Hirsute`	`I told you. Mentally scarring.`
`01:27.05`	`ZorbaTHut`	`actually, even better. take out the ,`
`01:27.10`	`ZorbaTHut`	`hirsute naked gnomes going down`
`01:27.13`	`ZorbaTHut`	`now available on pay-per-view`
`01:27.19`	`Gngsk`	`if you could add an option to seperate the hunter specific stuff from the general things blizz added a few patches ago`
`01:27.21`	`Hirsute`	`twitch`
`01:27.25`	`ZorbaTHut`	`:D`
`01:27.41`	`Gngsk`	`i hacked the code to do it, but don't wanna have to rehack it everytime you make an update`
`01:28.04`	`foxlit`	`Gngsk: That's a bit more difficult. Why not write a plug-in with your hack, however?`
`01:28.14`	`Gngsk`	`hmm, that's an idea`
`01:28.26`	`foxlit`	`"NonSuckyHunterTrackingRing"`
`01:28.27`	`Gngsk`	`i saw the API docs on your site, i'll have to read 'em I guess`
`01:28.37`	`foxlit`	`You might not have to, actually.`
`01:28.43`	`foxlit`	`What did you change in the original code?`
`01:28.51`	`Gngsk`	`sec I'll find it and pastey`
`01:29.09`	`Amarande`	`heh`
`01:29.14`	`Amarande`	`"Demoralizing Mmmrrrggglll"`
`01:30.09`	`Wobin`	`I love that zone`
`01:30.19`	`Wobin`	`Best quests ever`
`01:30.24`	`Wobin`	`and zomg tadpoles`
`01:30.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Murlocs suck.`
`01:30.26`	`Gngsk`	`foxlit, http://gngsk.pastey.net/104077`
`01:30.36`	`Wobin`	`Lopeppeppy: But .. but.. TADPOLES!`
`01:30.49`	`Gngsk`	`foxlit, loop starting on line 19`
`01:30.52`	`Lopeppeppy`	`...one can acquire a tadpole pet?`
`01:30.56`	`Wobin`	`no`
`01:31.00`	`Wobin`	`but they're so damned cute`
`01:31.03`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Then murlocs suck. :)]`
`01:31.08`	`mikma`	`yes you can`
`01:31.12`	`mikma`	`ebay!`
`01:31.20`	`mikma`	`gurky, lurky ...`
`01:31.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`rolls eyes`
`01:31.41`	`Wobin`	`I like my Kirin Tor Familiar`
`01:31.42`	`foxlit`	`Hm, I need to either stop using the OneRing alias or use it everywhere :/`
`01:31.50`	`Wobin`	`it arcane explodes when bored =)`
`01:32.14`	`Gngsk`	`foxlit, well that's from wrath 18 reason I asked is cause I wanna update to 19 cause you implemented a few things I'd like to have`
`01:32.22`	`Lunessa`	`foxlit: Agreed, and you're fixing the last thing I reported which was macros by index rather than name. :P`
`01:32.38`	`foxlit`	`Gngsk: Paste http://gngsk.pastey.net/104078 into a new addon`
`01:33.01`	`foxlit`	`(well, create a .toc with OPie as a required dependency, and that pastey as the .lua file)`
`01:33.09`	`foxlit`	`And you're set.`
`01:33.23`	`Gngsk`	`Thanks a lot!`
`01:34.08`	`Wobin`	`foxlit: Why'd you name it Opie?`
`01:34.28`	`mikma`	`oPie would have been cruel`
`01:34.44`	`foxlit`	`Because someone coughKaeltencough had already used the original name :)`
`01:34.52`	`foxlit`	`It's actually OPie`
`01:35.00`	`Lunessa`	`OneRing was already used for a keyring addon.`
`01:35.05`	`Wobin`	`ORing? =)`
`01:35.11`	`Kraps`	`think an 80 tank can solo kara?`
`01:35.16`	`foxlit`	`("Oh, Pie!")`
`01:35.24`	`Wobin`	`hehe`
`01:35.31`	`Wobin`	`I've been pronouncing it "Oh-pee"`
`01:35.45`	`Lunessa`	`This ain't Mayberry son.`
`01:35.47`	`mikma`	`haha`
`01:35.50`	`mikma`	`pee`
`01:35.56`	`Wobin`	`And finally`
`01:36.01`	`Wobin`	`I can put Splut to rest =P`
`01:36.05`	`foxlit`	`You should've seen the wowinsider comments thread.`
`01:36.20`	`Wobin`	`and JoshBorke can quit bugging me about it`
`01:36.25`	`Lunessa`	`Splut?`
`01:36.32`	`mikma`	`ORing reminds me of cockring`
`01:36.32`	`foxlit`	`"No one caught onto the fact that the name is a pun on the informal japanese word for boob, oppai? For shame."`
`01:36.50`	`foxlit`	`The things you find out after the fact are amazing.`
`01:36.51`	`Gngsk`	`haha`
`01:36.54`	`Wobin`	`Lunessa: was an old attempt to do the same thing OPie does`
`01:37.00`	`Lunessa`	`Oh.`
`01:37.28`	`Wobin`	`named as such for the effect it had when you activated the central pie point`
`01:37.35`	`Alfuin`	`ORing reminds me of another "ring"...`
`01:37.36`	`Lunessa`	`Opie is pretty f'ing cool. Once I made the switch, I can't imagine how I lived without it.`
`01:37.54`	`Lunessa`	`Nuevo-Ring?`
`01:37.55`	`Wobin`	`but then I ran into secure frame headers`
`01:38.05`	`Gngsk`	`yeah, sometimes I see crazy mem usage in raids though.`
`01:38.05`	`Wobin`	`and had a migraine and had to go to bed =P`
`01:38.36`	`foxlit`	`From OPie?`
`01:38.40`	`Lunessa`	`I get a chuckle out of the number of times I got looking for an addon solution to something and find a channel regular published one.`
`01:38.44`	`Gngsk`	`yah`
`01:38.50`	`foxlit`	`Hm, I wonder why.`
`01:39.16`	`Wobin`	`Hm, I want to update HeyFu`
`01:39.18`	`Wobin`	`to unFu it`
`01:39.20`	`foxlit`	`It shouldn't really be churning tables... all that often.`
`01:39.25`	`Wobin`	`but I can't find the time =P`
`01:39.41`	`Wobin`	`and there isn't really a good framework to use instead`
`01:39.42`	`Gngsk`	`i've seen it up around 6m in combat then after GC fall to below 1m`
`01:39.59`	`Alfuin`	`i wish someone would take over and fix BloodyScreen`
`01:40.02`	`foxlit`	`Out of combat GC, I presume`
`01:40.06`	`Gngsk`	`right`
`01:40.18`	`mikma`	`foxlit: you are behind opie?`
`01:40.36`	`foxlit`	`mikma: damn, my cover is blown :(`
`01:40.39`	`Lunessa`	`All I want is a better version of Pitbull. And by better I mean easier to configure.`
`01:41.07`	`Lunessa`	`Well, and for people I know to quit using XPerl.`
`01:41.19`	`mikma`	`foxlit: dont worry, not going to bug you, just wanted to know meh`
`01:41.20`	`foxlit`	`Gngsk: to a limited extent, that's explainable by it having to delay synchronization until it's no longer in combat.`
`01:41.23`	`Lunessa`	`But I'll settle for an easier to configure version of Pitbull.`
`01:41.46`	`Wobin`	`foxlit: crazy people with different nicks on different sites =(`
`01:41.49`	`Gngsk`	`ok`
`01:42.02`	`foxlit`	`Wobin: actually, blame wowi :)`
`01:42.09`	`Wobin`	`there already was a foxlit?`
`01:42.22`	`Lunessa`	`heh... my WoWi nick is based on my old EQUI account.`
`01:42.23`	`foxlit`	`No, it's caching a little too much. I've got Foxlit on wowi :)`
`01:42.30`	`Alfuin`	`atleast pitbull is configurable, many unitframe mods has no config, and you must edit the lua/xml yourself...`
`01:42.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`theres not many like that`
`01:42.46`	`Wobin`	`foxlit: crazy =)`
`01:42.50`	`Kraps`	`is there a place i can see all the quest hubs in a zone?`
`01:42.56`	`foxlit`	`But all of the addons cache the name of their author, and I've had mine changed.`
`01:43.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`most are either not configurable or configurable ingame`
`01:43.05`	`Wobin`	`Kraps: use something like QuestHelper perhaps?`
`01:43.26`	`Wobin`	`(note, I've never used QH, so I can't guarantee anything =))`
`01:43.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`questhelper doesnt show quest hubs`
`01:43.31`	`foxlit`	`Gngsk: So my paranoid strategy of keeping copies of props tables around may cost a bit too much. Still, it'd be interesting to see what rings are actually thrashing update cycles in combat.`
`01:43.33`	`Kraps`	`i gotta find them first for questhelper`
`01:43.38`	`Wobin`	`although I totally miss the Quest Shading that WAR had`
`01:43.53`	`Gngsk`	`foxlit, how can I find out next time it happens?`
`01:43.57`	`Lunessa`	`Arrowmaster: indeed. Pitbull's problem is that there are lots of options, and the grouping is funky. Some things one would expect to be global are not, in fact, global at all.`
`01:44.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats not its problem`
`01:44.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`its problem is it uses dogtags`
`01:44.32`	`Kraps`	`"Pitbull's problem is that there are lots of options" yarly`
`01:44.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`and rock`
`01:44.44`	`Lunessa`	`Arrowmaster: That too.`
`01:44.55`	`foxlit`	`Gngsk: there's no public interface to get at that data, you'd have to hook SetRingData and count the number of calls for a specific ID.`
`01:44.57`	`Alfuin`	`oUF_d3Orbs is cool with the orbs and the button bars, but the unitframe side to it was butt ugly. i shifted it all out of screen, and used pitbull :D`
`01:45.27`	`Gngsk`	`foxlit, ok I guess you'll have to take care of it then :P`
`01:45.28`	`Lunessa`	`Pitbull is my only remaining rock addon. But there really is no alternative to pitbull for me.`
`01:45.49`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah... it's pretty powerful.`
`01:46.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`My party setup is annoying me senseless though, I need to figure something to fix it a bit.`
`01:46.16`	`foxlit`	`What I can probably do is to throttle the custom ring updates elsewhere.`
`01:46.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`almost as good as DUF`
`01:46.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`sorry but DUF was not good`
`01:46.43`	`Lunessa`	`I discovered that I really didn't need FuBar or any of the Data Broker things I used to use so much.`
`01:46.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Never could stand to set that crap up.`
`01:46.53`	`foxlit`	`If they're what's causing this, it should be a breeze to just keep them away from ORL until it's no longer in combat. Less copies == more win.`
`01:47.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`Arrowmaster, DUF was great, it just had a few mem issues`
`01:47.03`	`Gngsk`	`foxlit, I setup the tracker2 addon like you said and get an error about not being able to use OneRing`
`01:47.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`a few?`
`01:47.15`	`Wobin`	`how about all of them? =P`
`01:47.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`well for me it was worth the complexity of it`
`01:47.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`it made the game unplayable in raids unless you had a top of the line computer`
`01:47.31`	`Gngsk`	`foxlit, dep'd OPie, should I add OneRing?`
`01:47.32`	`Lunessa`	`The whole "Discord" suite was interesing, and I learned to use it... but MAN... Loz had zero skill at UI design for his tools.`
`01:47.33`	`Wobin`	`quu is playing again btw`
`01:47.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`<-`
`01:47.41`	`Amarande`	`DUF?`
`01:47.46`	`Wobin`	`Discord Unit Frames`
`01:47.49`	`foxlit`	`Gngsk: no, you shouldn't. What's the actual error?`
`01:48.41`	`foxlit`	`(also, your .lua code came from http://gngsk.pastey.net/104078 , right? NB: not http://gngsk.pastey.net/104077-3jjx)`
`01:49.30`	`Amarande`	`I've cut back on my FuBar usage as well`
`01:49.41`	`Wobin`	`heheh`
`01:49.49`	`Wobin`	`are you on the patch? =)`
`01:49.54`	`Amarande`	`I used to use a ton of them ... now I only use GuildFu, ExperienceFu, FactionsFu, LocationFu, MoneyFu, and BagFu`
`01:50.21`	`Wobin`	`Amarande: time to switch to the LDB equivs`
`01:50.34`	`Gngsk`	`foxlit, oops guess I copied the wrong one!`
`01:50.58`	`foxlit`	`Yeah, it's probably because I have a local OneRing = OneRingLib; back from days of yore at the top of that common file :)`
`01:51.15`	`Gngsk`	`k, hmm`
`01:52.01`	`Amarande`	`hmm, another fixme I need to remember to report in WoW`
`01:52.17`	`Amarande`	`at least I have ArkInventory which has a restack function to somewhat lower the annoyance factor`
`01:52.31`	`Amarande`	`When looting clams, clam meat doesn't automatically stack for some reason`
`01:52.55`	`Amarande`	`it will proceed to put each piece of clam meat in a new inventory slot, even though they stack in 10's or 20's`
`01:53.09`	`Lunessa`	`ok, I'm going home to make dinner and play WoW. later.`
`01:53.15`	`Amarande`	`Night Lunessa`
`01:53.21`	`Wobin`	`Amarande: are we talking about default usage?`
`01:53.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://gizmodo.com/5105846/blackbird-web-browser-because-firefox-is-too-navajo-for-black-web-surfers`
`01:53.24`	`Wobin`	`It's always stacked for me`
`01:54.49`	`Gngsk`	`foxlit, guess I gotta copy all the local functions it can't get at now? getting an error about generateColor being nil`
`01:54.59`	`foxlit`	`yes`
`01:55.04`	`Amarande`	`also`
`01:55.15`	`Amarande`	`is haste rating the new fotm when it comes to the important stat to have on gear?`
`01:55.22`	`Amarande`	`seems like so much stuff has it now`
`01:55.36`	`Amarande`	`although I generally turn it down in favor of int, stam and spirit`
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`01:55.52`	`Gngsk`	`they need to fill ilvl points with something, can't just give all gear heaps of other the other base stats`
`01:56.13`	`Wobin`	`Amarande: what class?`
`01:56.32`	`Wobin`	`pally?`
`01:56.36`	`Amarande`	`Wobin: Lock, deep Demo spec`
`01:56.40`	`Wobin`	`oh lock`
`01:56.49`	`Amarande`	`also, they seem to <3 holydins, at least in borean`
`01:57.28`	`Wobin`	`generally you go for whatever stats to reach minimum required hit rating and stuff for dps, haste comes in after all the prerequisites are resolved`
`01:58.09`	`Wobin`	`I would probably put it as -least- important`
`01:58.11`	`Wobin`	`but still useful`
`01:58.45`	`Wobin`	`ie, it doesn't rank higher in usefulness than the other base requirements, cause it's not a requirement`
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`02:02.05`	`Hirsute`	`Paladins have been getting love since the start of BC. Almost all the plate quest rewards in Outland were pally plate.`
`02:02.23`	`Wobin`	`made me a sad DK`
`02:02.39`	`Syzgyn`	`Welcome to being a warrior.`
`02:03.04`	`Wobin`	`a warrior without a shield =\`
`02:03.08`	`Lopeppeppy`	`... no more love now, so hopefully the balance will be back. They swung it too hard toward paladin plate after starving us pre-BC`
`02:03.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I raided MC with abyssal plate, it was better that most of what I could get in there.`
`02:05.08`	`Amarande`	`Hirsute: thing is though, retadins and tankadins don't really focus on spellpower gear anymore`
`02:05.20`	`Amarande`	`yet in borean at least, seems like almost every plate quest reward is spellpower plate`
`02:05.25`	`Hirsute`	`Amarande: True true.`
`02:05.49`	`Wobin`	`no?`
`02:05.57`	`Wobin`	`There's a hell of a lot of dps plate rewards`
`02:06.04`	`Wobin`	`crit and stuff`
`02:06.12`	`Wobin`	`hardly any tanking plate =(`
`02:06.29`	`Wobin`	`aside from occasional instance quest rewards`
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`02:07.05`	`Hirsute`	`Aye, not a lot of warrior-tank love, as they just made warrior dps so much happier. But none of it is an upgrade for my tank right now anyway. shrug`
`02:07.20`	`Wobin`	`I need to get the saronite crafted plate made...`
`02:07.56`	`Wobin`	`although for that, I need to start mining saronite =P`
`02:08.05`	`Wobin`	`and no saronite in GH =(`
`02:08.19`	`foxlit`	`And I need around ~200 more mining/BS skill points :(`
`02:08.26`	`Alfuin`	`it bothered me that the horde/ally ships in Icecrown was so hard to spot, so i extracted them, colored them with their fraction colors, and saved. going to test tomorrow, might put the changes in an addon if it looks ok. :P`
`02:09.13`	`Wobin`	`I'm at 440ish mining`
`02:09.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Changing models in the game is not allowed, even for yourself on your own computer. If you've made such a modification, I would not upload it if I were you, nor use it.`
`02:09.19`	`foxlit`	`I'm also annoyed that there are so few 2H swords at 80 :/`
`02:09.56`	`Alfuin`	`Lope, that goes for changing the 3d world, not the 2d part...`
`02:10.13`	`foxlit`	`On the map, you mean?`
`02:10.17`	`Alfuin`	`yes`
`02:10.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Then be specific what you're changing. You said ships, not "minimap blips"`
`02:10.45`	`Alfuin`	`if that was illegal, then there is tons of addons breaking toc`
`02:11.03`	`Gngsk`	`foxlit, how is preserve mouselook when tapping supposed to work? cause when I tap seems to break it`
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`02:11.53`	`foxlit`	`The general story was that OPie called MouselookStop(); when a ring was shown`
`02:12.28`	`foxlit`	`Enabling that option allows you to delay that call until after the tap interval is expired.`
`02:12.41`	`foxlit`	`So if you were to have a ring with a tap slice.`
`02:13.09`	`foxlit`	`And you managed to press/release the hotkey within the tap window`
`02:13.20`	`foxlit`	`MouselookStop() would not be called.`
`02:13.25`	`Gngsk`	`so i guess i need to increase the tap window?`
`02:13.37`	`foxlit`	`If you can't release the binding on time, yes.`
`02:13.46`	`Alfuin`	`does any of you know which addon this might be; it made it easy to save camera positions, so you didn't have to set four different save position keybindings to do it... it also fixed the blizzard bug that your saved camera positions don't load until you reloadUI. any know which addon this might have been? can't find it again`
`02:13.48`	`Gngsk`	`.2 is kinda fast!`
`02:14.21`	`Gngsk`	`hmm, i increased the window to 1s`
`02:14.34`	`Gngsk`	`and i def tap it before the second is over but the mouselook still breaks`
`02:14.47`	`Gngsk`	`preserve is checked`
`02:14.56`	`foxlit`	`Out of interest, what binding are you using?`
`02:15.06`	`Gngsk`	`ctrl-f`
`02:15.41`	`\|pez\|`	`Anyone here have any experience installing torrentflux?`
`02:15.44`	`foxlit`	`Interesting. I'd say "works for me", but it'd be more correct to say "I thought it worked at relase", and I can't really be bothered to turn on Wrath PC again :)`
`02:15.45`	`\|pez\|`	`on a ubuntu server`
`02:17.00`	`foxlit`	`I'll take a look (tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow), but it really should work.`
`02:17.13`	`Gngsk`	`k, i'm checking out the code`
`02:17.53`	`foxlit`	`Watch out for the bears. With lasers. That shoot acid. In your face. :)`
`02:18.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`LAZERS OUT OF THEIR EYES! :)`
`02:19.09`	`foxlit`	`http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_weapons_that_don't_exist,_but_should`
`02:20.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Night guys!`
`02:20.44`	`foxlit`	`"Catapult that Catapults Catapults" "Radioactive vegetables" "Sheep Air Strike"`
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`02:21.48`	`Gngsk`	`foxlit, strange seems to work now not sure what i was doing wrong`
`02:22.04`	`foxlit`	`It clearly got scared that someone was going to look at it :)`
`02:22.24`	`foxlit`	`Hm, It's 3am. Grammar is making a turn for the worse.`
`02:50.58`	`Shirik`	`I personally like the Chuck-nun`
`02:58.13`	`\|pez\|`	`Oh, sweet.`
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`02:58.41`	`\|pez\|`	`my old linode is now functioning as a torrentclient XD`
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`03:01.56`	`Cide`	`I'm a fan of "Infinite Regression of Guns That Shoot Guns"`
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`03:13.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VPrmI9Qi-g`
`03:20.47`	`Wobin`	`guitar youtubes are less fun with no sound =(`
`03:21.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeah... that one kinda loses.. well.. everything.. without the sound`
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`03:47.20`	`batrick`	`FYI for all you n3rds out there that you should get Fyodor's Nmap Network Scanning Book that just came out: http://www.amazon.com/dp/0979958717?tag=secbks-20`
`03:47.56`	`batrick`	`It even has a chapter about the Nmap Scripting engine in Lua =) (which I wrote some of >.> )`
`03:48.05`	`Amarande`	`heh, nice comment on thottbot:`
`03:48.12`	`Amarande`	`"Sometimes when you get on a kodo it wont let you move saying "you need to be standing" or something similar. I figured that's intentionally done by Blizzard to keep the quest Difficult."`
`03:48.30`	`Amarande`	`wait, bugs are put in deliberately to keep the quest difficult? :S`
`03:52.34`	`abyx`	`what is the API command to do the same thing as if i typed "/chatinfo 1" ?`
`03:55.42`	`Amarande`	`sounds like the dumbest QQ I've heard all dayt`
`03:57.54`	`Amarande`	`I was afraid of that quest for a bit myself, but eventually just got to doing at`
`03:57.56`	`Amarande`	`er, it`
`03:58.17`	`Amarande`	`well actually, mainly I wanted to wait until no one else was also trying to do it at the same time`
`03:58.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`which quest?`
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`04:12.02`	`\|pez\|`	`I'm assuming the Kodo quest in Borean tundra, NightHawkTheSane.`
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`04:12.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the one that's trivially easy to do?`
`04:12.23`	`\|pez\|`	`Well, if you don't count that it was rather bugged the first day or so.`
`04:12.29`	`\|pez\|`	`Yes.`
`04:12.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i never noticed that, and i did it the first day shrug`
`04:12.44`	`Amarande`	`actually, I did encounter a bug on one kodo`
`04:12.51`	`Amarande`	`I tried to stomp something and got 'you must be standing to do that'`
`04:13.07`	`\|pez\|`	`I tried delivering the damned kodo, and it just lied down to die some more.`
`04:13.16`	`\|pez\|`	`same condition as when I picked it up.`
`04:13.16`	`Amarande`	`pez: did you use 2 or =?`
`04:13.35`	`\|pez\|`	`2 or =?`
`04:14.36`	`Wobin`	`which hotkey did you use`
`04:14.39`	`Wobin`	`dismount, or deliver`
`04:14.47`	`\|pez\|`	`I clicked the deliver.`
`04:14.48`	`Wobin`	`(or deliver or dismount, as it were)`
`04:15.27`	`\|pez\|`	`the thing is, the item I got from the questgiver didn't always heal the kodos. So they collapsed into the shape they were in before on occasion`
`04:15.39`	`\|pez\|`	`didn't happen on all of them, but it was enough to make me use more than the given number of minutes.`
`04:15.45`	`\|pez\|`	`So i waited a day, and it worked fine.`
`04:18.16`	`\|pez\|`	`The same happened with the boyfriend, when he was on the quest.`
`04:18.28`	`Shirik`	`Okay that is so not cool`
`04:18.42`	`Shirik`	`Evaluating guild progression on Horde side, trying to figure out who is #1 and who is #2`
`04:18.49`	`Shirik`	`We both just downed Malygos 25`
`04:18.55`	`Shirik`	`we did it 2 minutes after the other guild`
`04:19.29`	`Tem`	`call it a tie and be done imo`
`04:19.34`	`kd3`	`^`
`04:19.52`	`Shirik`	`Though, technically, by our realm's rules, you have to have the SS posted to the progression site`
`04:19.54`	`Shirik`	`they lack that SS`
`04:19.56`	`Shirik`	`we win imo`
`04:20.07`	`Silberbuechse`	`is there a way to merge 2 project into 1?`
`04:20.18`	`Tem`	`who got "REALM FIRST: The Magic Seeker?"`
`04:20.27`	`Tem`	`both of you, ne?`
`04:20.30`	`Tem`	`TIE`
`04:20.35`	`Shirik`	`Alliance`
`04:20.48`	`Shirik`	`they beat us by like a week, lol`
`04:20.49`	`Shirik`	`maybe 2 weeks`
`04:20.58`	`\|pez\|`	`lol`
`04:23.29`	`Shirik`	`imo they saw us being all happy in /1 and Said "woot we killed him already"`
`04:23.37`	`Shirik`	`nah I'm playing`
`04:24.04`	`Shirik`	`grats to them`
`04:36.49`	`Shirik`	`Has anyone ever tried to set up SVN with PKI?`
`04:37.38`	`pastamancer`	`with ssl client certs or with ssh keys?`
`04:40.01`	`Shirik`	`eh, either way really`
`04:40.09`	`Shirik`	`we're already using both in different apps`
`04:42.05`	`Adys`	`ZorbaTHut: everyone in my guild using it crashed and got stuck at some point`
`04:42.05`	`pastamancer`	`ssh keys is easy`
`04:42.14`	`pastamancer`	`it's just like well, setting up ssh keys for anythign else`
`04:44.04`	`ZorbaTHut`	`adys, fascinating, what version (or, when) and what were they doing?`
`04:44.15`	`ZorbaTHut`	`was this the "logged out in dalaran" bug? 'cause that one's been fixed, I think :)`
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`04:44.21`	`Adys`	`nah`
`04:44.29`	`Lothaer`	`hey guys and gals`
`04:44.31`	`Adys`	`no idea, most of them crashed during the .. zul drak quest with drakuru`
`04:44.32`	`Adys`	`last step`
`04:44.43`	`ZorbaTHut`	`funny, I just did that one and didn't run into an issue`
`04:44.50`	`Adys`	`neither did i`
`04:44.54`	`Amarande`	`I'm starting to wonder when in Northrend you get a group quest that actually requires one`
`04:45.03`	`ZorbaTHut`	`well, if I get some more reports, I'll look into it :D`
`04:45.05`	`Amarande`	`a couple of the DEHTA quests were labeled group, but were pathetically easy solos`
`04:45.09`	`ZorbaTHut`	`amarande, dungeon quests!`
`04:45.20`	`Amarande`	`part of that may be being a Demo lock, though`
`04:45.26`	`ZorbaTHut`	`there were a few in Dragonblight I needed to get help with`
`04:45.27`	`Adys`	`Amarande: if you aren't even past borean tundra ...`
`04:45.30`	`ZorbaTHut`	`not many, but a few`
`04:45.35`	`Lothaer`	`Last Rights is a group quest`
`04:45.40`	`Amarande`	`Adys: there seems to be an incredible amount of stuff to do in Borean Tundra`
`04:45.41`	`ZorbaTHut`	`not since then, though, and I'm up to 78`
`04:45.48`	`Adys`	`Amarande: yes, but what i mean is`
`04:45.53`	`Lothaer`	`check this out http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h10/lothaer/BEAST.jpg`
`04:45.54`	`Adys`	`theres still all the other zones to explore`
`04:46.29`	`Adys`	`tons of group quests in icecrown, only a couple can be soloed`
`04:46.33`	`Adys`	`same in storm peaks`
`04:46.58`	`Lothaer`	`were u able to solo Last Rights?`
`04:47.08`	`Adys`	`a few in dragonblight, and the rings of blood in zul drak and icecrown`
`04:47.12`	`Adys`	`yes but i was already 80`
`04:47.20`	`Adys`	`brb`
`04:47.22`	`Amarande`	`outland group quests on the other hand seem to be as hard as always`
`04:47.24`	`Lothaer`	`you cant compare then lol`
`04:47.31`	`Lothaer`	`i 4 manned it at 71`
`04:47.38`	`Amarande`	`when I had a DK, I was 64 and tried to solo the stupid looking red and purple rock giants`
`04:47.43`	`Amarande`	`and I think I ONCE managed to beat one.`
`04:47.53`	`Lothaer`	`the ones in HFP?`
`04:48.14`	`Lothaer`	`what spec was ur DK?`
`04:49.38`	`Tem`	`Amarande, I'm sorry to say it so bluntly, but you suck`
`04:50.06`	`Tem`	`I no problem soloing every outland group quest with only 2 exceptions: Ring of Blood and Durn the Hungerer`
`04:50.13`	`Tem`	`(though, I didn't actually try to solo either)`
`04:50.42`	`Hirsute`	`It's a good thing. Durn has a crazy amount of hp.`
`04:50.49`	`Lothaer`	`i soloed the Red Giants in HFP as a Blood Spec DK`
`04:51.50`	`Tem`	`I did just fine on them as an unholy DK`
`04:52.07`	`Tem`	`I've soloed every northrend group quest I've run into as well`
`04:52.14`	`Tem`	`INCLUDING the group quests in Dragonblight`
`04:52.20`	`Amarande`	`ah, I was frost specced`
`04:52.23`	`Amarande`	`maybe that's why`
`04:52.32`	`Tem`	`I grouped for Amphitheather of anguish`
`04:52.34`	`Amarande`	`Tem: you soloed the Ogri'la prequest chain? :)`
`04:52.38`	`Tem`	`but not after soloing the first 2 events`
`04:52.46`	`Tem`	`Amarande, I didn't do that questline`
`04:53.05`	`Tem`	`no flying mount = no ogri'la`
`04:53.15`	`Tem`	`Also, WHY BOTHER?`
`04:53.31`	`Tem`	`hit 68 and head to northrend asap for 2k the exp per quest`
`04:53.43`	`Tem`	`s/2k/2x/`
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`04:57.50`	`Shirik`	`oh pastamancer, it's literally using svn through ssh?`
`04:57.57`	`Shirik`	`so.... I don't really have to DO anything`
`04:58.02`	`Shirik`	`it "just works" (tm)`
`05:00.46`	`Amarande`	`Tem: I'm one of those sorts who has to do my usual rounds in each area before moving on to the next`
`05:00.54`	`Amarande`	`Just like I get to 63 in Azeroth`
`05:01.05`	`Tem`	`erm`
`05:01.07`	`Tem`	`fail imo`
`05:01.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`What's the devtools frame stack command?`
`05:01.17`	`Tem`	`dtframestack`
`05:01.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Weird`
`05:01.33`	`Tem`	`AHAHAHAHAH sweeet justice`
`05:01.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Not working =[`
`05:01.41`	`Tem`	`"LF tank for <instance>"`
`05:01.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yet /dump does`
`05:02.01`	`Adys`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:02.09`	`Tem`	`> I'd tank it, but you're the idiot healer who refused to let me tank a while back because you insisted only Frost DKs could tank`
`05:02.11`	`pastamancer`	`Shirik: yeah`
`05:02.13`	`Tem`	`"pls we need tank"`
`05:02.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik: svn can be accessed via HTTP or as if it's a local repo`
`05:02.18`	`Tem`	`> pass`
`05:02.21`	`Tem`	`> /ignore`
`05:02.25`	`Codayus_`	`Heh`
`05:02.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik: likewise ssh+svn just pipes the local bit through SSH`
`05:02.28`	`Tem`	`Adys, /dump is from DevTools`
`05:02.32`	`Shirik`	`yeah I know but I never bothered to try to set up svn over HTTP`
`05:02.38`	`Adys`	`hm I dont have devtools, yet I got /dump`
`05:02.39`	`pastamancer`	`Shirik: if you're paranoid, you can setup the ssh config to only allow certain commands to be run`
`05:02.40`	`Shirik`	`seemed like too much work`
`05:02.44`	`Tem`	`someone added an analogue to Ace2 at some point because they're fucking dumb`
`05:02.49`	`Codayus_`	`I think someone or other added a /dump command into something else?`
`05:02.50`	`Shirik`	`no not paranoid`
`05:02.54`	`Shirik`	`more like I don't like passwords`
`05:02.58`	`Codayus_`	`...Tem beat me to it.`
`05:03.03`	`Shirik`	`(and so does someone else I'm working with)`
`05:03.05`	`Adys`	`ah yea might have an ace2 addon somewhere`
`05:03.06`	`Tem`	`so it's possible you have dumb just by having an Ace2 addon installed`
`05:03.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That would explain it`
`05:03.20`	`Adys`	`hm`
`05:03.22`	`Adys`	`wtb /dumb`
`05:03.33`	`Adys`	`Why wasn't this added in wlk anyway`
`05:03.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Because it isn't needed by anyone in terms of playerbase who would use it?`
`05:04.04`	`Adys`	`ScytheBlade1: read closely what tem and i said`
`05:04.10`	`Tem`	`ScytheBlade1, /dumb being an emote, probably`
`05:04.12`	`Tem`	`I typoed`
`05:04.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`oh`
`05:04.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`05:04.21`	`Codayus_`	`Mmm, I wonder where the weird "frost = tank spec" idea came from anyhow. Can that many people really not understand the difference between a tree and a stance?`
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`05:04.26`	`Tem`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:04.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`sorry, doing patchwerk + officer chat overhead + talking all at the same time`
`05:05.00`	`Tem`	`Codayus_, the original version of the DK info page on the official site had each tree given a role`
`05:05.06`	`Tem`	`Blood: dps`
`05:05.08`	`Adys`	`Codayus_: people are so annoyed at DKs anyway because they "steal their role"`
`05:05.08`	`Tem`	`Frost: tank`
`05:05.12`	`Tem`	`Unholy: pvp`
`05:05.12`	`Codayus_`	`Ahhhh, that explains much.`
`05:05.15`	`Adys`	`which will also mean "steal their loot"`
`05:05.18`	`Adys`	`and so on`
`05:05.21`	`Tem`	`it was changed ~9 months ago`
`05:05.42`	`Tem`	`but some people just seem to be too retarded to catch up`
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`05:05.48`	`Tem`	`well no`
`05:05.51`	`Adys`	`some asshat in my guild kept saying "DKs will only be able to tank fights the way warlocks were tanking some, eg illidan&aq twins"`
`05:05.54`	`Tem`	`it's not the people who don't know any better`
`05:06.12`	`Tem`	`it's the people who refuse to believe anything else`
`05:06.20`	`Adys`	`indeed Tem`
`05:06.22`	`Wobin`	`Cause they read something on the intarwebs`
`05:06.29`	`Wobin`	`and if the intarwebs said it was true it must be`
`05:06.59`	`Tem`	`I especially can't stand it when people say DKs are "the parry avoidance tanks"`
`05:07.01`	`Tem`	`stab`
`05:07.11`	`Tem`	`There's no such thing as an avoidance tank, for starters`
`05:07.22`	`Wobin`	`we're what?`
`05:07.36`	`Tem`	`Second, we probably won't have that much more parry than a warrior or Pally`
`05:07.54`	`Wobin`	`we don't have block to fill in any gaps though`
`05:08.09`	`Tem`	`and?`
`05:08.22`	`Wobin`	`that's just a statement of fact =)`
`05:08.31`	`Shirik`	`ok, pastamancer, different question`
`05:08.41`	`Shirik`	`ever tried to use TortoiseSVN to do svn+ssh with keys?`
`05:08.43`	`Wobin`	`no real end argument to it`
`05:08.46`	`Codayus_`	`Right now DKs are the mitigation tanks; they're trending towards having higher armor. :-p`
`05:09.07`	`Shirik`	`Because it's being all "Nop I need password not key" and then the servers all "fu give me key nao"`
`05:09.33`	`Adys`	`then theres the ones going on about shields`
`05:09.44`	`Adys`	`AMG DKS CANT TANK, NO SHIELDS`
`05:09.57`	`\|pez\|`	`...`
`05:10.06`	`Adys`	`I believe that was coming from a druid, too`
`05:10.11`	`\|pez\|`	`I don't know much about tanking and tanks, but that just can't be true XD`
`05:10.37`	`Adys`	`its the same kind of idiots who refused to let pallies tank anything in BC`
`05:11.01`	`pastamancer`	`Shirik: nope`
`05:11.05`	`\|pez\|`	`Idiots :\`
`05:12.05`	`Adys`	`then again as much as i love this guild i refuse to raid with them`
`05:12.12`	`Adys`	`i do pugs and generally progress faster`
`05:14.22`	`Wobin`	`pugs can be full of terrible too though =(`
`05:14.25`	`Adys`	`Anyone sees what could make wine crash in this? http://pastebin.com/m5ab3d92a I removed all the unrelated ones, maybe one of the options could make the diff`
`05:14.31`	`Adys`	`Wobin: I get to lead them`
`05:14.44`	`Adys`	`which at least is fun, even if the pug does horribly`
`05:14.49`	`Adys`	`http://pastebin.com/d26d9cdc5 also`
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`05:32.25`	`Tem`	`...`
`05:32.27`	`Tem`	`Official wtf`
`05:32.29`	`Tem`	`moment`
`05:32.52`	`Tem`	`a long chain ending in a group quest in grizzly hills rewards items with lower item level than a Nexus group quest you can do at level 68`
`05:33.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i've noticed instance quest rewards tend to be very high ilvl compared to quest rewards`
`05:33.21`	`Wobin`	`I'm still wearing my Nexus chain quest rewards`
`05:33.31`	`Wobin`	`those shoulders are sexy`
`05:33.55`	`Wobin`	`And I think I only just replaced the gloves`
`05:33.57`	`Wobin`	`not sure why`
`05:42.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`nyone know of the Azure Ring Guardians will add at any point if you fail to kill all of them?`
`05:42.07`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`(in Oculus)`
`05:42.12`	`Adys`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:42.15`	`Adys`	`what does that one do?`
`05:42.42`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Replace the Icon Texture?`
`05:42.47`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`just a guess..`
`05:42.54`	`Adys`	`models have an icon?`
`05:43.19`	`Adys`	`or do they mean the portrait icon..`
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`05:47.17`	`Tem`	`Wobin, I'm just pissed because I just spent an hour in a zone I wasn't planning on doing for these shoulders`
`05:47.25`	`Tem`	`and I just realized they're worse than what I had before`
`05:47.29`	`Wobin`	`=(`
`05:47.37`	`Wobin`	`wowhead compare next time?`
`05:47.56`	`Tem`	`I should have`
`05:47.59`	`Codayus_`	`heh`
`05:48.06`	`Tem`	`there are dreadfully few tanking shoulders before 80`
`05:48.14`	`Wobin`	`actually what wowhead should do is, if you log in on their site, and select a toon, it should allow tooltip comparisons for every item =)`
`05:48.22`	`Wobin`	`that would be cool`
`05:48.35`	`Tem`	`I've been wearing these shoulders for 7 levels now`
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`05:51.04`	`Tem`	`hmm`
`05:51.19`	`Tem`	`if I could get a group for Halls of Stone, I could get these Pauldrons of Reconnaissance`
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`05:53.59`	`digmouse`	`which instances are exactly contained in the 3.0 raid mob nerfs? all raids from kara to SWP or only BT and SWP?`
`05:54.18`	`Wobin`	`woot, wowhead are intending to do something even better than direct armoury comparison apparently`
`05:55.51`	`Hirsute`	`Oh?`
`05:59.50`	`Gngsk`	`don't keep us in the dark1`
`05:59.52`	`Gngsk`	`!`
`06:00.32`	`ZorbaTHut`	`tem, I just got http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44373 and they're pretty sweet`
`06:01.15`	`ZorbaTHut`	`oh hey you just noticed it while I wasn't paying attention`
`06:01.22`	`ZorbaTHut`	`yeah, halls of stone is good. :)`
`06:01.26`	`Wobin`	`Oh, I don't know any more`
`06:01.47`	`Gngsk`	`bah!`
`06:01.50`	`Wobin`	`"We actually plan on doing something even better. Stay tuned and see`
`06:01.50`	`Wobin`	`what we come up with! :) - Malgayne"`
`06:02.09`	`Tem`	`Yeah, ZorbaTHut`
`06:02.16`	`Tem`	`I wants them`
`06:02.19`	`Tem`	`but like`
`06:02.20`	`Tem`	`I'm 76`
`06:02.25`	`ZorbaTHut`	`there's one annoying thing about them`
`06:02.27`	`Tem`	`getting a HoS group at 76 isn't going to be easy`
`06:02.32`	`ZorbaTHut`	`they look 100% identical to the shoulders I used to have.`
`06:02.36`	`ZorbaTHut`	`same color, even.`
`06:02.36`	`Tem`	`heh`
`06:02.39`	`ZorbaTHut`	`come on blizzard >:(`
`06:02.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`will healing a FD'd hunter bring them back into combat >.>`
`06:02.44`	`Tem`	`welcome to Northrend`
`06:02.52`	`Tem`	`NightHawkTheSane, probably`
`06:02.54`	`Tem`	`do it!`
`06:02.54`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I did it at 77, but that's with the same group I've had for quite a while`
`06:03.00`	`TranceControl`	`NightHawkTheSane hey again :) How did it work out with the tradeskill links? :D`
`06:03.01`	`Tem`	`I'm sure I could tank it`
`06:03.10`	`Tem`	`it would be finding a group who would let me`
`06:03.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`TranceControl: haven't worked on it yet, been doing heroics most of the day`
`06:03.16`	`Wobin`	`Does FD still drop them out of combat?`
`06:03.17`	`Tem`	`I've tanked every other instance one level too soon already`
`06:03.27`	`Wobin`	`oh wait`
`06:03.34`	`Hirsute`	`Wobin: Yes, I believe so.`
`06:03.34`	`TranceControl`	`NightHawkTheSane ah :) Didnt End work a bit on it or? :D`
`06:03.37`	`Tem`	`(where "one level too soon" == 3 levels below the highest level mob)`
`06:03.38`	`Wobin`	`why was I under the impression it didn't anymore?`
`06:03.49`	`Wobin`	`god, shows how much I've played my hunter recently`
`06:03.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`TranceControl: he did some proof of concept code, yeah`
`06:04.08`	`Hirsute`	`I could be wrong, too.`
`06:04.21`	`TranceControl`	`NightHawkTheSane nice :) so its gonna be worked on then? :D`
`06:04.35`	`TranceControl`	`see i told you .. someone just has to get in and then get people going with the ideas :PO`
`06:04.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Wobin: well in combat or out of combat is irrelevant, what i really mean is "can i get a FD'd hunter killed by healing them before i die"`
`06:04.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`TranceControl: when i have a moment, yeah`
`06:04.52`	`Wobin`	`NightHawkTheSane: hehe =)`
`06:06.05`	`Wobin`	`I wonder if PoM will 'jerk' them into standing`
`06:06.36`	`Wobin`	`Or the pally one that makes them move into a casting animation`
`06:09.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`damn... i just wiped out 2.5k gold getting enchanting mats for 3 items`
`06:09.59`	`AnduinLothar`	`and can't afford to gem and enchant my 4th`
`06:16.48`	`Corrodias`	`well shit.`
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`06:23.01`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I need to find a tanking cloak, I'm still using my crafted lv70 cloak`
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`06:24.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`there's a nice LW crafted one`
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`06:26.52`	`Cairenn`	`http://ihasahotdog.com/2008/12/08/cute-puppy-pictures-my-get-up-and-go/`
`06:27.17`	`ZorbaTHut`	`looks like there's a real nice one in heroic nexus, 20% drop`
`06:27.32`	`ZorbaTHut`	`as well as a real nice one with honored wyrmrest`
`06:27.46`	`Corrodias`	`WYRM is a hardcore word`
`06:27.47`	`ZorbaTHut`	`as well as lv78`
`06:27.49`	`Corrodias`	`i mean wyrd`
`06:27.49`	`ZorbaTHut`	`hey look at that`
`06:27.54`	`ZorbaTHut`	`guess who's at level 78 with honored Wyrmrest`
`06:28.08`	`ZorbaTHut`	`time to go buy a new cloak`
`06:36.52`	`Amarande`	`Night folks :)`
`06:37.24`	`ccox`	`hmm, level 69 DK - finish 70 in outlands, or head to northrend?`
`06:37.28`	`Corrodias`	`'ni`
`06:38.20`	`Corrodias`	`i recommend outland, hit 80 while saving as many quests as you can, because IF they follow the design of outland (and i could be wrong on that), they will be worth major cash once you hit 80`
`06:38.47`	`ccox`	`hmm, hadn't thought about that aspect`
`06:39.27`	`Corrodias`	`my druid was just heading for 70 in BC as fast as i could get him there, but with my hunter i took my time and did just a little mob-grinding, and he got to 70 in Nagrand`
`06:40.05`	`ccox`	`yeah, I just hit 69 in nagrand (only 25% through it!)`
`06:40.12`	`Corrodias`	`that meant, what, 3 zones full of money-dropping quests, which easily funded his own stuff`
`07:09.44`	`Adys`	`<Size><RelDimension x="1" y="1"/></Size>`
`07:09.49`	`Adys`	`how would I do that in lua?`
`07:12.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`wowwiki.com`
`07:12.13`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`wowprogramming.com`
`07:12.20`	`Adys`	`yea yea Im on there`
`07:12.42`	`Adys`	`problem with wowwiki is its shiteoutdated and i cant find that on wowprog`
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`07:49.38`	`orionshock`	`so has anyone here found zootfizzle in sholizar yet?`
`07:53.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yes`
`07:54.53`	`Tem\|afk`	`ccox, I reccomend going to northrend ASAP`
`07:55.03`	`Tem\|afk`	`the quest experience DOUBLES when you get there`
`07:55.12`	`Tem\|afk`	`making levels 68 and 69 practically instant`
`07:55.26`	`Tem\|afk`	`you'll also get lots of upgrades very quickly`
`07:55.32`	`ccox`	`well, I'm already part way through 69`
`07:55.34`	`ccox`	`true`
`07:55.38`	`Tem\|afk`	`staying in outlands is just wasting time imho`
`07:55.45`	`Elkano`	`orionshock, yeah, and I hated him for one of the quests...`
`07:55.53`	`ccox`	`I've also been thinking about the quest money -- and realizing that I make my money from the AH and dailies`
`07:55.56`	`Tem\|afk`	`attempting to "save" quests for 80 is so not worth it.`
`07:56.14`	`Tem\|afk`	`you can get to 80 without even entering 4 zones`
`07:56.20`	`ccox`	`so I've heard`
`07:56.21`	`Elkano`	`yeah, Tem is right, I hit 80 after three zones, so plenty of quests left`
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`07:58.15`	`ccox`	`@#$%^@#% I don't know which blows harder: formatting for wikis, or formatting for blog engines`
`08:04.04`	`Cairenn`	`remind me next blizzcon and you can have a real one`
`08:04.13`	`Sargeras`	`rawr`
`08:04.19`	`Cairenn`	`:)`
`08:04.34`	`Cairenn`	`and you, Sargeras, know that you'll get a real hug! :)`
`08:04.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`selling tickets Cairenn?`
`08:04.40`	`Cairenn`	`Thunder_Child: lol`
`08:05.33`	`Cairenn`	`naw, hugs and shoulder rubs are free :)`
`08:06.57`	`Elkano`	`if Blizzcon wouldn't mean I have to fly over to and enter America, I think I would join you there some time... but that's stuff still keeping me from doing it :/`
`08:07.33`	`Elkano`	`reminds me I should push some updates to wowi again ^^'`
`08:07.46`	`Cairenn`	`zomg, what a concept, huh? :p`
`08:08.27`	`Elkano`	`wau and thereafter curse syndication made me even more lazy then I had been before ^^`
`08:09.05`	`Cairenn`	`so use: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7633-WoWIModUploader.html`
`08:09.10`	`Tem\|afk`	`Elkano, what you got against entering the US?`
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`08:11.21`	`Cairenn`	`common sense?`
`08:11.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`Tem\|afk, he has feet problems and doesnt want to take off his shoes when entering`
`08:11.25`	`Cairenn`	`:p`
`08:12.19`	`Cairenn`	`;)`
`08:12.46`	`ccox`	`Elkano: maybe after January it'll be less hostile`
`08:13.10`	`Cairenn`	`here's hoping`
`08:17.31`	`Tem\|afk`	`I really don't think the big O is all that awesome`
`08:17.51`	`Tem\|afk`	`not that the other guy was that great either`
`08:17.53`	`Tem\|afk`	`just like...`
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`08:17.58`	`Tem\|afk`	`shrug`
`08:18.27`	`Cairenn`	`I'd say it can't get much worse than what you guys have had, but I know better than to tempt fate that way :p`
`08:18.41`	`Tem\|afk`	`hah`
`08:18.52`	`Elkano`	`ok, just checked what a flight from my location to Anaheim and back would cost... the listing started with 1.5kâ¬ :/`
`08:19.03`	`Tem\|afk`	`:(`
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`08:19.56`	`sylvanaar`	`god`
`08:20.28`	`sylvanaar`	`wowace talk just took a nosedive`
`08:20.32`	`sylvanaar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:20.46`	`Elkano`	`btw, Cairenn, any chance to have "bags and merchants" dug out from your archives? it somehow vanished my list`
`08:21.21`	`sylvanaar`	`hey maybe Tem or Cairenn know of a real use for coroutines`
`08:21.35`	`Cairenn`	`Elkano: when was it last updated?`
`08:21.48`	`Tem\|afk`	`sylvanaar, um auctioneer uses coroutines`
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`08:22.39`	`sylvanaar`	`does it`
`08:23.01`	`sylvanaar`	`know why?`
`08:23.30`	`Elkano`	`Cairenn, good question`
`08:23.54`	`Cairenn`	`we went through a while back and deleted a bunch of really old stuff that hadn't been touched in forever`
`08:24.01`	`Cairenn`	`I think it got purged`
`08:24.41`	`Elkano`	`don't know if I had pushed the BC update to WoWI`
`08:25.00`	`Cairenn`	`yeah, it'd be gone :P`
`08:25.26`	`Cairenn`	`sorry luv, but you're going to have to upload fresh`
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`08:28.02`	`sylvanaar`	`wow doesnt actually implement a scheduler does it?`
`08:30.18`	`orionshock`	`Elkano: http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=28374#comments:id=501279 :D`
`08:33.20`	`Elkano`	`orionshock, not that that dialog wasn't liked in the first comment :P`
`08:33.34`	`Elkano`	`see the "in game" link`
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`08:47.57`	`orionshock`	`Elkano: i don't click on many off site links`
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`09:03.09`	`AnduinLothar`	`naxx drops so many epics....`
`09:03.34`	`Kalroth`	`It's just another color`
`09:04.45`	`zenzio`	`it's a big place`
`09:10.04`	`Elkano`	`btw, Cairenn, seeing that seerah cross-posts the wowi potws to wowhead, are you two involved with wowhead, too?`
`09:10.17`	`Cairenn`	`they're a sister site`
`09:10.48`	`Elkano`	`but not directly involved, only network wise?`
`09:11.10`	`Cairenn`	`MMOI + Wowhead + Allakhazam's + Thottbot + OGRadio == Zam`
`09:11.14`	`Cairenn`	`aye`
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`09:12.13`	`Sargeras`	`they're slowing taking over the internet`
`09:12.24`	`Cairenn`	`heh, no :p`
`09:12.28`	`Sargeras`	`the attack is imminent on Google`
`09:13.12`	`Sargeras`	`They'll call it GoogUI`
`09:13.24`	`Cairenn`	`rofl Sargeras`
`09:13.27`	`Sargeras`	`or MMOogle`
`09:13.47`	`Cairenn`	`hey Dolby? you need to put Sargeras back in his cage, he's getting uppity`
`09:14.04`	`Sargeras`	`Dolby will be named THE MAN OF TEH INTERNETZ`
`09:14.08`	`Cairenn`	`ROFL`
`09:14.35`	`Sargeras`	`http://www.broom.org/epic`
`09:14.42`	`Sargeras`	`^---- is actually a good movie`
`09:14.48`	`Sargeras`	`of what could be`
`09:15.33`	`Cairenn`	`oh yeah, I've seen this before - it is pretty neat`
`09:15.55`	`Sargeras`	`I used it as part of my final for my internet marketing class back in college`
`09:16.03`	`Sargeras`	`my teacher was so enthralled`
`09:16.26`	`Elkano`	`oh, wowhead finaly managed to split Archavon drop data ^^ remines`
`09:16.27`	`Dolby`	`cause your the man Sargeras`
`09:16.39`	`Sargeras`	`r not`
`09:17.00`	`Sargeras`	`and please tell me your at work`
`09:17.09`	`Sargeras`	`because its after 3 there!`
`09:17.40`	`Dolby`	`i dont sleep`
`09:17.49`	`Sargeras`	`The Man never sleeps`
`09:17.57`	`Dolby`	`no`
`09:18.04`	`Dolby`	`the man would make time to sleep`
`09:18.21`	`Sargeras`	`I might pull an all-nighter because I have to be up for work in 4 hours`
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`09:22.52`	`Dolby`	`maybe unwrap that eq2 box`
`09:23.07`	`Sargeras`	`but it makes an awesome doorstop`
`09:23.13`	`Cairenn`	`rofl`
`09:24.34`	`Dolby`	`wonder if i should link that picture here`
`09:24.46`	`Cairenn`	`which one? :p`
`09:25.03`	`Dolby`	`sarg on stage`
`09:25.10`	`Cairenn`	`hehehe`
`09:25.13`	`Cairenn`	`poor sarg`
`09:25.39`	`Sargeras`	`there's many flickr pics out there`
`09:25.41`	`Cairenn`	`<3 sarg`
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`09:25.51`	`Sargeras`	`I saw one from a random link in another IRC channel`
`09:25.54`	`Dolby`	`cause hes the man`
`09:26.57`	`bleeter`	`~emulate bleeter`
`09:26.58`	`purl`	`ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant`
`09:27.01`	`Sargeras`	`negative`
`09:27.44`	`Cairenn`	`lots of people needing hugs tonight`
`09:27.52`	`Cairenn`	`good thing I have an unlimited supply to hand out`
`09:28.13`	`Dolby`	`good thing Cairenn is here`
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`10:26.26`	`Shiibot`	`New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following free migration is scheduled to last until Tuesday, December 9th. .`
`10:26.27`	`Shiibot`	`To the NEW realm named Chamber of Aspects: Anachronos, Bronze Dragonflight, Bronzebeard, Darkspear, Ghostlands, Hellfire, Khadgar, Kilrogg, Kul Tiras, Nagrand, Terenas, Wildhammer. . Drak'thul, Grim Batol, Sylvanas --> Bladefist`
`10:26.27`	`Shiibot`	`Al'Akir, Neptulon, Ravencrest --> Deathwing. Burning Legion, Crushridge, Twilight's Hammer --> Dentarg. Magtheridon (Horde only) --> Zenedar, Haomarush.`
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`10:44.35`	`mikma`	`http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/wulff/1088/20081210.gif`
`10:48.41`	`Kalroth`	`:D`
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`10:52.19`	`Nom-`	`http://iinet.net.au/pi.html`
`10:52.30`	`Nom-`	`That's epic. We actually got rickroll onto the corporate website.`
`11:04.41`	`GitFinger`	`Hey, at iiNet we love the internet. We think it's the most amazing thing in human history, and we want to set it free. < what a pile of turd`
`11:04.58`	`GitFinger`	`wheel + fire > intarwabz`
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`11:10.04`	`Cairenn`	`GitFinger: ??`
`11:10.48`	`Silberbuechse`	`hi @ all. can i get helped here with my wowi account?`
`11:11.03`	`Cairenn`	`what's up Silberbuechse?`
`11:11.39`	`Silberbuechse`	`Cairenn: i need to got two prjects merged`
`11:11.50`	`Cairenn`	`hrm?`
`11:11.55`	`Cairenn`	`what do you mean?`
`11:12.24`	`Cairenn`	`(afk a quick min, brb)`
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`11:17.54`	`GitFinger`	`Cairenn: you don't know of Kenny Everett and Captain Kremmen????`
`11:18.01`	`GitFinger`	`~comfort Cairenn`
`11:18.02`	`purl`	`There, there, Cairenn. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
`11:18.15`	`GitFinger`	`Cairenn: there's a whole part of yer childhood and teenage years that... oh my`
`11:18.34`	`GitFinger`	`well, tbh... I think .au was the only country that broadcast his show @ 5:30PM on free to air`
`11:18.48`	`GitFinger`	`but then again, we used to be a grown up mature country and stuff`
`11:20.56`	`foxlit`	`Damn you, Dragon Queen, damn you.`
`11:21.05`	`foxlit`	`Can't mount with 50 miles of the wrath gate :/`
`11:21.15`	`foxlit`	`s/th/thin/`
`11:22.48`	`Cairenn`	`GitFinger: heh, okay`
`11:22.57`	`Adys`	`Could someone do a test for me?`
`11:23.03`	`Cairenn`	`fail`
`11:23.05`	`Adys`	`Create a PlayerModel, don't set anything to it`
`11:23.22`	`Adys`	`and try to see what is returned by Model:GetModel()`
`11:23.33`	`Adys`	`seems to return self atm and smells like a bug`
`11:25.39`	`Cairenn`	`rofl`
`11:26.15`	`Silberbuechse`	`How can i fake spells if i didnt have the class ingame`
`11:26.27`	`Adys`	`how so Silberbuechse ?`
`11:26.57`	`Silberbuechse`	`To test my message output`
`11:27.29`	`Adys`	`what kind of fake spell I mean`
`11:28.30`	`Silberbuechse`	`For example: A polymorphed mob and if anyone break it, i put out a message in a chanel.`
`11:28.58`	`foxlit`	`If you know what events fire, you can fire them yourself.`
`11:29.01`	`foxlit`	`If you don't, you can't.`
`11:30.26`	`Silberbuechse`	`foxlit: I didnt know what you mean`
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`11:39.16`	`Xiro`	`is it possible, in a macro to do something like... if ( (UnitHealth("target")/UnitHealthMax("target"))*100 < 35 ) then /cast spell1 else /cast spell2 end ?`
`11:39.43`	`Xiro`	`I'm pretty sure the /cast spellX is wrong within that conditional, but I can't seem to find out the right info`
`11:40.32`	`Adys`	`its not afaik`
`11:41.20`	`Xiro`	`hmm.. nothing happens when I run it...`
`11:42.10`	`Xiro`	`I've printed out the output using if ( <conditions> ) then ChatFrame1:AddMessage("low hp"); else ChatFrame1:AddMessage("high hp"); end`
`11:42.23`	`Xiro`	`that works, but it all falls apart when I try to use /cast`
`11:44.11`	`Cairenn`	`Silberbuechse: Dolby is still awake, so he's taking care of them right now`
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`11:44.31`	`Cairenn`	`and - does anyone want some winter? I'll gladly ship you mine`
`11:44.53`	`Cairenn`	`I just got plowed for the 3rd time in less than 24 hrs and it's _still_ coming down out there`
`11:44.55`	`Xiro`	`I've got plenty of winter here, thanks...`
`11:45.08`	`Xiro`	`< 10 degrees and all white and wet outside`
`11:48.45`	`Xiro`	`could someone try this? I don't get what I'm missing here http://wowuidev.pastey.net/104097`
`11:52.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`Xiro: unithealth is not one of the conditions possible in macros`
`11:52.46`	`foxlit`	`You also can't do /cast within /script`
`11:53.50`	`Xiro`	`Arrowmaster: then why does this work?`
`11:53.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`it doesnt`
`11:53.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`clearly`
`11:54.03`	`Xiro`	`http://wowuidev.pastey.net/104098`
`11:54.05`	`Xiro`	`that`
`11:54.12`	`Xiro`	`sorry, clipboard didn;t take the first time`
`11:54.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`because thats just a script`
`11:54.26`	`Xiro`	`I can run UnitHealth and UnitHealthMax in my macro`
`11:54.32`	`Xiro`	`well, yeah...`
`11:54.39`	`Xiro`	`ah, I see what you're getting at`
`11:54.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`you cant do any spell casting from within scripts`
`11:54.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`or targeting`
`11:54.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`or any other protected functions`
`11:55.28`	`Cairenn`	`btw, in case anyone else wants to go where Dolby apparently went .... "my driveway"`
`11:55.33`	`Cairenn`	`:p`
`11:56.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`haha`
`11:56.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`Dolby: good one`
`11:58.38`	`jaxdahl`	`hm, 2 man ony doesn't take very long`
`11:58.55`	`jaxdahl`	`6 minutes with me and a ret paladin`
`11:58.59`	`jaxdahl`	`me being a dk`
`11:59.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`i think one of our dk's soloed her`
`12:01.45`	`jaxdahl`	`yea i soloed her down to 70% doing about 1100 dps then the other person in my raid left the raid instead of logging off`
`12:02.01`	`jaxdahl`	`i'm pretty confident i would've been able to solo`
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`12:09.16`	`mikma`	`cairenn: it's snowing!`
`12:09.31`	`Cairenn`	`mikma: no shit, sherlock :p`
`12:09.45`	`mikma`	`http://alk.tiehallinto.fi/alk/kelikamerat/C0450700101403.jpg?random=1228910742`
`12:09.49`	`mikma`	`yes shit`
`12:10.01`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`12:10.11`	`mikma`	`http://alk.tiehallinto.fi/alk/kelikamerat/C0454701101354.jpg?random=1228910742`
`12:10.40`	`haste`	`http://basicinstructions.net/comics/2006-12-20%20boss.gif :D`
`12:10.47`	`Cairenn`	`Dolby just linked this to me: http://www.treehugger.com/20081209-the-bailout-shitty-cars.jpg`
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`12:11.20`	`Dolby`	`omg he is such an idiot`
`12:12.18`	`mikma`	`who me? :(`
`12:12.25`	`Cairenn`	`I think it's funny :p`
`12:12.29`	`Dolby`	`me`
`12:13.04`	`mikma`	`http://kuvaton.com/bshit/bailoutyk2.jpg <- same image than the one cairenn linked :O`
`12:13.12`	`mikma`	`saw it there earlier today heh`
`12:13.14`	`mikma`	`but!`
`12:13.29`	`mikma`	`kinda not safe for shirik: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/chair.jpg`
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`12:28.24`	`GitFinger`	`with youh in my HEAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTT`
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`12:32.17`	`mikma`	`industrial: your new avatar: http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/albumit/mmedia/3q/cpj/b3x9/65786/577651817.gif`
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`12:40.36`	`mikma`	`right. questing has got me so far 5000g+ from lvl55-80`
`12:40.58`	`mikma`	`and i still have quite alot of quests to do in icecrown`
`12:46.12`	`foxlit`	`You're counting from the DK creation to hitting 80?`
`12:48.16`	`mikma`	`yeap`
`12:48.34`	`foxlit`	`And that's the achievements' gold earned from quests metric?`
`12:48.54`	`mikma`	`oh right there's something like that`
`12:49.13`	`foxlit`	`(or just the amount of gold you ended up with at 80?)`
`12:50.21`	`mikma`	`i didn't check that value when i hit 80 :O`
`12:50.36`	`mikma`	`i just calculated how much money i spent on flying mount + flying skill and how much i have atam`
`12:50.41`	`foxlit`	`Ah :)`
`12:50.43`	`mikma`	`atm*`
`12:50.58`	`foxlit`	`from questing is a bit inaccurate, then, but allowably so :)`
`12:51.06`	`mikma`	`970g to flying mount, 1000g to cold weather flying and i have... 3225g now`
`12:52.10`	`mikma`	`well yeah, i should have mentioned something like "questing, collecting money from mobs, selling stuff that has been dropped by mobs" etc`
`12:52.17`	`mikma`	`but i thought that's obvious :D`
`12:52.37`	`mikma`	`and i have sold only soulbound green/blue gear, all the BoE stuff has been dissed`
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`12:53.02`	`mikma`	`my friend was at 1000g in lvl68, which was kinda cool imho`
`12:54.18`	`CupidStunt`	`http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/chinese-classical-poem-was-brothel-ad-1058031.html`
`12:55.19`	`mikma`	`[14:53:54] [T] [Kucko]: wts [Darkwood Fishing Pole] ca worth 400g`
`12:55.20`	`mikma`	`[14:54:07] [T] [Kucko]: bes fishing for twink can not get better`
`12:55.27`	`mikma`	`the pole has eternium line in it`
`12:56.36`	`mikma`	`[14:56:06] [T] [Oe]: is "twink fishing" some sort of new hobby? <- me being annoying again`
`12:58.25`	`ReAn`	`how do you "twink" fishing?`
`12:59.13`	`sacarasc`	`fish with a young man sucking you off?`
`12:59.48`	`Fisker-`	`:3?`
`13:00.52`	`sacarasc`	`Twink or twinkie is a gay slang term describing an attractive young or young-looking gay man (usually in his late teens or early twenties) with a slender build and little or no body hair.`
`13:01.44`	`mikma`	`oh nice =D`
`13:01.58`	`krka`	`so a twink in wow is a bloodelf-alt?`
`13:02.05`	`mikma`	`then they have the proper name in wow imho`
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`13:04.17`	`Stanzilla`	`twink = alt for german wow players :)`
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`13:08.26`	`Shiibot`	`New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following free migration is scheduled to last until end of Tuesday December 16.. . Source realms: Burning Legion, Drak'thul, Sylvanas. Destination realms: Boulderfist, Mazrigos, Vek'nilash.`
`13:08.26`	`Shiibot`	`PLEASE NOTE that the migration may be closed at any time should a destination realm's population rise too high.. For questions and additional information, please see the migration threads in the General forum..`
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`13:29.29`	`p3lim^`	`hm my net is dead`
`13:29.34`	`p3lim^`	`but im still on IRC`
`13:30.07`	`CupidStunt`	`that's what reversing the polarity of the neutron flow will do`
`13:31.29`	`alestane`	`http://www.gocomics.com/heartofthecity/2008/12/10/ I heartily agree with Hedy's sentiment in the last panel.`
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`13:40.11`	`mikma`	`there ain't runeforge in dalaran, right?`
`13:41.52`	`Olorin`	`p3lim probably just dhcp down`
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`14:23.51`	`Wobin`	`mikma: only in Ebon Hold`
`14:31.22`	`mikma`	`Rune of Cinderglazier is good for heroic dps, right?`
`14:31.40`	`mikma`	`since i'm not planning on taking a hit while in the dungeon, that's why we have a tank lolz`
`14:34.11`	`nevcairiel`	`I would probably still use fallen crusader for the strength proc`
`14:39.12`	`foxlit`	`# Carter lusted in his heart for peanuts`
`14:39.35`	`foxlit`	`Wobin: Shadow Vault has one`
`14:41.01`	`Wobin`	`although cinderglacier procs fairly often, and that's a 20% boost to next damage...`
`14:41.08`	`foxlit`	`I wonder how that line came to be`
`14:41.26`	`foxlit`	`Wobin: only frost and shadow damage, unfortunately`
`14:41.40`	`foxlit`	`So you have your choice of death coil / frost strike / scourge strike.`
`14:42.11`	`mikma`	`but`
`14:42.24`	`mikma`	`scourge strike is the heart of unholy dk`
`14:42.37`	`foxlit`	`We have hearts?`
`14:42.45`	`foxlit`	`Why was I not informed :(`
`14:44.33`	`Wobin`	`foxlit: http://www.jonathancoulton.com/mp3/The%20Presidents.mp3 ?`
`14:44.39`	`foxlit`	`Yes.`
`14:44.41`	`foxlit`	`Indeed.`
`14:46.18`	`foxlit`	`"His farming business was successful, and during the 1970 gubernatorial campaign, he was considered a wealthy peanut farmer." << http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter`
`14:46.23`	`foxlit`	`I suppose that explains something.`
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`15:06.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Morning, zenzio.`
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`15:30.36`	`mikma`	`apparently the embed of *** loot-hax has been fixed`
`15:31.09`	`Fisker-`	`old :(`
`15:31.15`	`Olorin`	`anyone remember exactly what level you have to be to get a tradeskill to 300?`
`15:32.37`	`Fisker-`	`35`
`15:33.21`	`foxlit`	`Over 9?`
`15:34.21`	`Lyn`	`gief`
`15:34.22`	`Lyn`	`me`
`15:34.36`	`Lyn`	`polar bear!`
`15:38.19`	`Olorin`	`thanks fisker`
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`15:45.37`	`Castigo`	`hey guys`
`15:45.50`	`Castigo`	`anyone here ever worked with acegui and libscrolltable?`
`15:46.40`	`Castigo`	`or just lib-st?`
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`15:56.33`	`malreth`	`aaaaaahhhhh........`
`15:58.40`	`malreth`	`persistence pays off, Shirik`
`16:01.44`	`Castigo`	`physical dmg?`
`16:02.20`	`Shirik`	`physical damage is the new fire damage`
`16:02.26`	`Fisker-`	`:3`
`16:02.33`	`Fisker-`	`with fire damage`
`16:02.59`	`Shirik`	`oh..... damn`
`16:03.14`	`Shirik`	`I came up #1 on healing last night, and I skipped 3 fights`
`16:04.18`	`Shirik`	`and of course, my favorite fight`
`16:04.23`	`Shirik`	`http://wowwebstats.com/ah6si5wodypay?s=331341-396469`
`16:04.23`	`Lopeppeppy`	`:P`
`16:04.29`	`Shirik`	`Priests are so OP for Loatheb`
`16:06.06`	`nevcairiel`	`imho your other healers fail alot if they are that low`
`16:06.12`	`Shirik`	`eh`
`16:06.16`	`Shirik`	`I don't care so long as we win :D`
`16:06.23`	`Shirik`	`s/we/we and I/`
`16:07.46`	`Fisker-`	`nerf paladins Shirik`
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`16:10.19`	`mikma`	`~poop`
`16:10.19`	`purl`	`for me to poop on!`
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`16:13.32`	`Shirik`	`so when is this patch that is supposed to kill priests coming out?`
`16:13.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Hopefully soon. poke`
`16:14.02`	`Shirik`	`why hopefully?`
`16:14.16`	`nevcairiel`	`because you'll suffer from it, obviously!`
`16:14.16`	`alestane`	`Because she wants to use her pally for something.`
`16:14.43`	`Shirik`	`I'm just amused that Blizzard consistently decides that priest top-end talents are supposed to be useless`
`16:15.37`	`Shirik`	`Lightwell? Useless when it came out. CoH? Useless when it came out. Guardian Spirit? Well it actually is rather decent so we have to fix something. Make CoH useless again.`
`16:15.39`	`nevcairiel`	`CoH isnt top-end anymore`
`16:16.31`	`Shirik`	`I consider 31/41/51 the top end talents, since that's what they were meant to be when they came out`
`16:18.18`	`nevcairiel`	`You're just crying like every other priest on the world, just wait for the PTR. If the AoE Dmg out there is nerfed somewhat as well, healing will be more interesting for all of us`
`16:18.58`	`Shirik`	`I am :) But in all honesty I generally choose to ignore it, for two reasons`
`16:18.59`	`nevcairiel`	`Some classes get even worse talents on the end of the tree`
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`16:19.22`	`Shirik`	`(1) There's no point in me respeccing until it actually happens, which for some people are trying to convince me "You shouldn't get that talent, it will be useless soon" and I don't understand`
`16:19.40`	`nevcairiel`	`I dont see how that relates =P`
`16:19.41`	`Shirik`	`and (2) There was discussion of this cooldown in WotLK beta and it was removed to negative feedback, so...`
`16:19.49`	`alestane`	`If they're going to shake up the values of talents that much, they'll likely issue refunds anyway.`
`16:20.17`	`Shirik`	`though the aoe damage is a bit... excessive right now`
`16:20.35`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I agre, shirik.`
`16:20.38`	`Shirik`	`I only remember a select few fights in BT that I needed to heal AOE significantly. Now it's kinda like wherever you go`
`16:20.56`	`nevcairiel`	`Wild Growth is my 51p in resto, and its supposed to get a cooldown as well. which is even worse. During Beta they put WG on the GCD-reduction talent we have so we can get it faster on more people, so keep your priest qq :P`
`16:21.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Why is why paladin healers are also not fun.`
`16:22.22`	`Nom-`	`Because they're the only single target healer left in an AoE heal world ?`
`16:22.33`	`Shirik`	`does anyone else feel that the authenticators aren't as random as they should be?`
`16:22.46`	`nevcairiel`	`Its mostly the shamans crying because they went from head of the list to tail`
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`16:22.58`	`Shirik`	`we went from like 4 resto shamans to 1 :)`
`16:23.13`	`Shirik`	`and that 1 I think just doesn't want to reroll`
`16:23.26`	`nevcairiel`	`Maybe its just me, but i think my authenticator produces pattern in its numbers`
`16:23.39`	`nevcairiel`	`nothing i can put my finger on just yet`
`16:24.15`	`Shirik`	`I agree`
`16:24.27`	`nevcairiel`	`nothing that can probably be predicted`
`16:24.29`	`nevcairiel`	`but still`
`16:24.30`	`Shirik`	`I might start doing an analysis on it`
`16:24.43`	`Shirik`	`every time I log in, write down the number`
`16:26.20`	`nevcairiel`	`but anyway, they should get the PTR out there, so i can see what they did now`
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`16:32.46`	`Shirik`	`hm, I think my server just died`
`16:32.48`	`Shirik`	`~ping`
`16:32.49`	`purl`	`~pong`
`16:33.47`	`cbreak`	`of course they produce patterns`
`16:33.59`	`cbreak`	`the authenticator numbers are completely deterministic`
`16:34.30`	`Shirik`	`that doesn't mean they should follow a recognizable pattern to someone that doesn't have the private key or however it is determined`
`16:34.46`	`cbreak`	`I don't know what technology the authenticator uses exactly, but usually they generate a stream of pseudo random numbers based on a shared secret`
`16:34.49`	`Shirik`	`admittedly, this is a valid hash function`
`16:34.55`	`Shirik`	`function hash(a) return 1; end`
`16:34.58`	`Shirik`	`Is it a good one? No.`
`16:35.54`	`foxlit`	`You could, of course, just be seeing patterns where none exist.`
`16:36.08`	`foxlit`	`It's, what, 6 numerical digits?`
`16:36.12`	`cbreak`	`that's the most likely explanation :)`
`16:36.32`	`cbreak`	`I heard that the RSA tokens that are time based use one of their digits as checksum for the others`
`16:36.40`	`Shirik`	`That's what I mentioned earlier, foxlit :)`
`16:36.49`	`cbreak`	`(or it was a monotonically increasing timer? not sure anymore)`
`16:37.02`	`Shirik`	`that's why I want to do an actual analysis`
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`16:38.57`	`cbreak`	`you could try to measure the entropy of the digits`
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`16:40.43`	`krka`	`aren't there automatical randomness analysis software?`
`16:40.45`	`Shirik`	`Oh god, and here comes the spam`
`16:40.46`	`Shirik`	`I was right`
`16:41.03`	`krka`	`i think i even wrote something like that in my crypto course`
`16:41.12`	`krka`	`not that it was overly advanced or anything`
`16:42.10`	`Shirik`	`not that spam ><`
`16:42.42`	`Shirik`	`Server connectivity alerts go to my phone as text messages. Unfortunately, when the whole server goes down, every service comes in a separate text message`
`16:42.47`	`Shirik`	`Server down = like 10 messages`
`16:42.51`	`foxlit`	`HOT ANAlySis T00Lz?`
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`16:45.49`	`foxlit`	`(I should probably excuse myself and point to http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=687 )`
`16:46.20`	`Shirik`	`lol`
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`16:50.30`	`Shiibot`	`New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following free migration is scheduled to last until end of Tuesday December 16.. . Source realms: Burning Legion, Drak'thul, Sylvanas. Destination realms: Boulderfist, Mazrigos, Vek'nilash.`
`16:50.30`	`Shiibot`	`PLEASE NOTE that the migration may be closed at any time should a destination realm's population rise too high.. For questions and additional information, please see the migration threads in the General forum.`
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`17:10.46`	`alestane`	`Extra! Extra! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13393389705&sid=1 UI & Macros Forum Now Useless!`
`17:11.44`	`alestane`	`Hey wow, that means I can go back to sleep...`
`17:12.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`~seen malreth`
`17:12.07`	`purl`	`malreth <n=triti@w-central-233-37.public.utexas.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1h 13m 27s ago, saying: 'persistence pays off, Shirik'.`
`17:12.29`	`Shirik`	`damn you Lopeppeppy`
`17:12.37`	`Shirik`	`useless ping`
`17:12.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sorry! Stop talking to malreth then!`
`17:13.18`	`Shirik`	`er`
`17:13.19`	`Shirik`	`what`
`17:13.22`	`Shirik`	`no don't refuse the connection!`
`17:13.28`	`Shirik`	`oh yeah`
`17:13.35`	`Shirik`	`I just rebooted that box and forgot to pull shiibot back up :/`
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`17:15.44`	`Shirik`	`alestane: They're useless, so can I has your job?`
`17:16.33`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No way.`
`17:16.39`	`alestane`	`What, you want the hordes of confused people who want to set things up without learning how to program clamoring at YOUR door?`
`17:16.40`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You does not have the dinosaur to be a dinosaur.`
`17:17.14`	`Shirik`	`I'm more like a kitten`
`17:18.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Awww, I'll get you one for the next meeting.`
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`17:39.45`	`ZorbaTHut`	`sigh. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6136435571 see if you can figure out what's wrong with this thread`
`17:41.54`	`cbreak`	`quest helper is wrong.`
`17:42.02`	`cbreak`	`that addon spoils all the lore...`
`17:43.20`	`ZorbaTHut`	`that's why people should turn it off when doing quests the first time, IMHO ;)`
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`17:45.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`... blink blink http://notalwaysright.com/its-best-to-not-get-involved/1374`
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`17:46.45`	`Shirik`	`wow`
`17:47.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Merp.`
`17:50.00`	`Shirik`	`aww, this is cute http://theawesomer.com/obento-lunch-boxes/7385/`
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`17:54.53`	`Shirik`	`"Hot Streak" - every time you get 3 crits in a row you get an instant fireball?`
`17:54.59`	`Shirik`	`Does that actually happen enough to warrant taking it?`
`17:55.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`2 crits in a row`
`17:55.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And instant pyro`
`17:55.42`	`alestane`	`http://notalwaysright.com/thisisspyware/1371 W.T.F.`
`17:55.46`	`Fisker-`	`http://notalwaysright.com/geography-my-arch-nemesis-we-meet-again/1376`
`17:55.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Shirik: with enough crit, yeah`
`17:56.01`	`Shirik`	`2 crits in a row is more reasonable`
`17:56.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's very reasonable`
`17:57.12`	`Shirik`	`alestane, that sounds like something one of my old bosses would have said`
`17:58.40`	`Shirik`	`ok, why does top say I'm using 50% of my CPU, but the only process with any form of CPU usage is java with 10%?`
`17:59.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Found your problem: "java"`
`17:59.35`	`cbreak`	`Shirik: maybe top hides itself and uses the other 40%`
`18:01.11`	`alestane`	`http://cascadefailure.comicgenesis.com/d/20070205.html Precursors to QuestHelper users.`
`18:03.14`	`Shirik`	`fixed`
`18:03.24`	`Shirik`	`stupid fisheye was blocked on /dev/random without actually blocking...`
`18:04.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's because /dev/random wasn't providing you with data`
`18:04.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Use /dev/urandom`
`18:04.08`	`Shirik`	`yes`
`18:04.12`	`Shirik`	`but it should block!`
`18:04.15`	`Shirik`	`instead it just ate up CPU time`
`18:04.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`~alestane++`
`18:04.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I still use thotbott when I get stuck, but no questhelper crap.`
`18:05.45`	`Shirik`	`I use wowhead`
`18:07.49`	`malreth`	`http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html`
`18:09.15`	`foxlit`	`malreth: meh at the reply.`
`18:09.33`	`Shirik`	`rofl`
`18:10.59`	`Shirik`	`I was saying to someone yesterday during senior design actually`
`18:11.30`	`Shirik`	`I'm amazed at how much I do nowadays where if I'm on Windows, I'm actually finding myself ssh'ing to a linux box, etc., because Windows simply can't do what I need it to do without downloading program X, etc.`
`18:11.31`	`alestane`	`Mr. Stark's reply is a bit too ideological for my tastes, but he's officially partial, so that to be expected.`
`18:11.58`	`Anaral`	`Does Thottbot not have moderators to make sure people aren't screwing with the correctness of the info? Like posting screenshots of Hellfire Pen for a lvl 31 warlock quest...`
`18:12.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Anaral, something will always get through.`
`18:12.39`	`Shirik`	`Anaral: We have moderators on WoWInterface. But if you refresh every minute or so you'll likely find a gold spam post at some point in time`
`18:13.16`	`Anaral`	`The random gold spam is different then a screenshot posted what looks like months ago...`
`18:13.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Not really... crap just sometimes happens.`
`18:15.15`	`Shirik`	`I.... just got rickrolled on the admin page at wowi`
`18:15.18`	`Shirik`	`I blame Dolby`
`18:15.22`	`Anaral`	`Heh`
`18:15.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Bad Dolby!`
`18:15.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`grin`
`18:15.38`	`malreth`	`yes, i'm always a silly monkey`
`18:15.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I noticed!`
`18:16.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`But now I'm craving a game pad, you bad monkey.`
`18:16.16`	`malreth`	`it looks pretty nice. i'm interested in it too`
`18:16.36`	`malreth`	`'bout time logitech actually made something for Mac gamers`
`18:17.58`	`Shirik`	`look at the notes: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/f9c520fca1efb19282cb23a2ea9f4f33.jpg`
`18:17.59`	`Shirik`	`wtf`
`18:18.26`	`malreth`	`that song is like an anthem to me`
`18:18.28`	`malreth`	`inspiring`
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`18:19.58`	`Corr-work`	`logitech... you mean macs aren't fully compatible with common "Human Interface Devices", as windows calls them?`
`18:20.26`	`Tekkub`	`I believe it's USB that calls em that, not windows specifically`
`18:20.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`^`
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`18:20.38`	`Shirik`	`... that's what they are`
`18:20.39`	`Corr-work`	`well that's cool`
`18:20.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`and yes, macs are.`
`18:20.43`	`Shirik`	`they're human interface devices`
`18:20.49`	`malreth`	`my G15 keyboard works fine on my mac`
`18:20.53`	`Tekkub`	`but that raises the question, why is it that mac refuses to make standard keyboards`
`18:20.55`	`malreth`	`the screen and 15 extra keys, however, do not`
`18:21.01`	`Corr-work`	`ah`
`18:21.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the only real issue is, as malreth, noted, the non-standard components`
`18:21.08`	`Tekkub`	`is it like, their attempt to say "fuck you real computer people"`
`18:21.16`	`Corr-work`	`:D`
`18:21.17`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`extra keys/mouse buttons/displays`
`18:21.38`	`malreth`	`who is this mysterious 'mac' company and why do they make keyboards?`
`18:22.11`	`Tekkub`	`right fuck you I'm going back to bed`
`18:22.24`	`Corr-work`	`Tekkub goes to bed HARD CORE STYLE`
`18:23.28`	`Trixer`	`...`
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`18:26.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tekkub: fix the nil errors in panda, first!`
`18:28.09`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`... am i going completely batshit insane (don't answer that) or did they hotfix the CD on Hodir's Horn?`
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`18:28.44`	`Corr-work`	`perhaps both`
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`18:30.21`	`Fisker-`	`NightHawkTheSane it's not 10 seconds anymore? :)`
`18:30.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Fisker-: i just did the quest now, and it seems to only have a standard gcd`
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`18:34.16`	`selckin`	`NightHawkTheSane: you got interrupted`
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`18:34.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`selckin: er, no.`
`18:35.21`	`malreth`	`http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3246/3089281085_494c596cf2.jpg?v=0`
`18:35.29`	`selckin`	`er yes`
`18:36.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i successfully completed the quest, without issue, and not once saw the 10s CD on the item`
`18:36.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i was able to use it in succession, successfully.`
`18:36.53`	`alestane`	`malreth: Was there a point to that bizarre little display?`
`18:37.02`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`now, maybe there's something else at play there, but shrug`
`18:37.28`	`malreth`	`alestane: why do you hate education?`
`18:38.02`	`alestane`	`That's quite an inference from my question.`
`18:39.19`	`alestane`	`Was someone actually obliged to assume these labels might be necessary in some place?`
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`19:00.11`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`There needs to be a mod to make an annoying noise when you start flying out over open ocean and are getting fatigued ><`
`19:01.51`	`Corr-work`	`flying over ocean? northrend, i take it`
`19:02.26`	`Kirov`	`Have it play the screaming sounds from Dragonblight`
`19:04.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Corr-work: yeah. >< i've almost died twice because i set a way point, flew in that direction, and went afk a bit`
`19:07.01`	`Corr-work`	`i wonder why they bothered to use Fatigue in the new area`
`19:07.17`	`Corr-work`	`instead of just invisible barriers like in outland`
`19:07.51`	`Hirsute`	`Because they like knowing that people are swearing when they come back dead because they flew over a fatiguing area?`
`19:08.38`	`Corr-work`	`ah yes... the dark side theory`
`19:11.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i would wager more for consistency with the rest of azeroth, and the "real world feel" it provides over invisible barriers`
`19:12.56`	`mikma`	`Oe's Death Strike hits Restless Frostborn Ghost for 1999 Physical.(Critical)`
`19:12.57`	`mikma`	`Oe's Death Strike heals Oe for 4765.(233 Overhealed)`
`19:12.59`	`mikma`	`PEW!`
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`19:18.15`	`foxlit`	`Death Strike seems to heal disproportionately on crits.`
`19:18.38`	`foxlit`	`but then again, that's probably a woah-damage issue :)`
`19:19.42`	`Tekkub`	`uh, looks like 2.5x healing to me`
`19:23.31`	`mikma`	`that's with Death Strike glyph and most likely 50% - 100% runic power`
`19:23.39`	`mikma`	`quite imba anyway, didn't need to rest lol`
`19:25.02`	`Trixer`	`anyone know a good guide to highlighting when painting minis?`
`19:26.02`	`mikma`	`mini cooper s?`
`19:26.19`	`Trixer`	`miniatures... think warhammer`
`19:27.13`	`Hirsute`	`Too bad, Mini Coopers would be easy. Thay always look cool. You could randomly pour brown, green and pink paint on one, and it would look cool.`
`19:27.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Highlighting as in, painting in tiny crevices with a small brush and an EXTREMELY steady hand?`
`19:28.25`	`Trixer`	`Lope: Yeah...`
`19:28.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`1) steady hand`
`19:29.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`2) firm bristle brush, 3) go light on the paint, 4) make sure the rest of the mini is DRY when you do it.`
`19:29.54`	`Trixer`	`I was looking or more of an artisty type guide.. that detailed what highlighting was, when to use it, how to use it...`
`19:31.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`http://www.steeldog.biz/`
`19:31.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`http://www.faqs.org/faqs/games/miniatures/painting-faq/`
`19:32.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`There's two, exercise your own google fu from there. :)`
`19:32.50`	`Trixer`	`Thanks`
`19:33.15`	`Trixer`	`http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=400028&pIndex=1&aId=2600025&start=2`
`19:33.20`	`Trixer`	`like that stuff is freaking crazy man!`
`19:35.44`	`Trixer`	`though the more I look and read the more I am starting to understand kind of how to do it`
`19:36.10`	`Trixer`	`Im defently going to have to get me one of those magnifying glass things`
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`19:36.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You can find those in any crafting store. Look in the needlecraft sections.`
`19:37.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`And get yourself a natural spectrum lightbulb for the strong desk lamp you'll also be using. :)`
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`19:37.31`	`Corr-work`	`pretty cool to have a hobby like painting figures`
`19:37.48`	`Corr-work`	`my spirit would rebel against it if i tried something like that`
`19:38.56`	`leethal`	`hmpf, why is (not 1 == 2) returning 'false', not 'true'?`
`19:38.56`	`Trixer`	`Corr: what do you mean?`
`19:38.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`http://failblog.org/2008/12/10/productivity-fail/ < -- ROFL`
`19:38.56`	`leethal`	`my brain isn't being very friendly atm. 1 != 2 is not workin' either`
`19:39.27`	`malreth`	`>>> return 1 ~= 2`
`19:39.36`	`malreth`	`lua> return 1 ~= 2`
`19:39.37`	`lua_bot`	`malreth: true`
`19:39.53`	`Kirov`	`!lua return not 1 == 2`
`19:39.54`	`Corr-work`	`i mean i haven't the patience or interest in that kind of thing`
`19:39.54`	`batbot`	`Kirov: > false`
`19:40.04`	`malreth`	`lua> return not (1 == 2)`
`19:40.04`	`lua_bot`	`malreth: true`
`19:40.11`	`leethal`	`aha`
`19:40.12`	`Corr-work`	`my mind rebels at artistic efforts`
`19:40.20`	`malreth`	`order of operations`
`19:40.21`	`Trixer`	`Corr: The patience took me so long to develope and i still havent gotten it down pat yet.`
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`19:40.42`	`Tem\|work`	`zomfg`
`19:40.43`	`Corr-work`	`well, good to hear you've got something going, anyway`
`19:40.46`	`leethal`	`thanks \o/`
`19:40.46`	`malreth`	`Lopeppeppy: awesome!`
`19:40.48`	`Tem\|work`	`you guys see the DK changes?`
`19:40.49`	`Trixer`	`I have been playing for like 2 years, and I am just now starting to get past the "rush to paint them, so I can play with them" stage and im getting into the "paint them so they look awesome while owning everyone" stage`
`19:41.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tem\|work: indeed. they look spiffy`
`19:41.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Tem, what are they doing to DK now?`
`19:41.15`	`malreth`	`ebon plague fix?`
`19:41.45`	`Corr-work`	`cool. i kinda wish i could get into games like that, but only a little`
`19:42.06`	`Corr-work`	`i don't really know anybody around here who does that. both of my friends are basically non-gamers.`
`19:42.21`	`Corr-work`	`don't do much of anything in their free time. except drink.`
`19:43.08`	`Tem\|work`	`malreth: no EP fix`
`19:43.13`	`Tem\|work`	`but lots of other awesome stuff`
`19:43.19`	`Tem\|work`	`no cooldown pest`
`19:43.21`	`Trixer`	`Corr: I feel yeah on that, I have to drive liek 40 mins to a hobby shop to catch a game, but im thinking of starting to enter some tournaments`
`19:43.35`	`Tem\|work`	`HoW is free, generates 10 RP (cooldown of 30s added)`
`19:43.48`	`Tem\|work`	`AMS cooldown reduced to 45s`
`19:43.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Well, they don't explicitly say anything about EP, but that's more in the "bugfix" category and not "functionality change" that the post seemed to be about`
`19:43.59`	`malreth`	`whoa whoa whoa! slow down there..`
`19:44.03`	`malreth`	`what's a DK?`
`19:44.17`	`Corr-work`	`dishonorable kill? death knight?`
`19:44.24`	`Tem\|work`	`frost presence buffed to +80% armor -15% magic damage taken`
`19:44.40`	`Tem\|work`	`some blood stuff that I didn't pay much attention to`
`19:44.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tem\|work: yeah, the numbers on frost presence are looking scary big, but shrug`
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`19:45.06`	`Tem\|work`	`NotD adds a 50/70% aoe avoidance to your pet`
`19:45.14`	`malreth`	`mage changes, too`
`19:45.20`	`Tem\|work`	`yeah, I saw those`
`19:45.28`	`Tem\|work`	`the blizzard change looks interesting`
`19:45.34`	`Tem\|work`	`I'm wondering what the cause of that was`
`19:45.55`	`malreth`	`Arcane Blast change... aooh`
`19:47.15`	`malreth`	`it now buffs the dmg of your next arcane spell by 30%. Arcane Blast does not consume the buff. Stacks up to max of 3 stacks.`
`19:47.34`	`malreth`	`also increases mana cost of arcane blast...`
`19:47.49`	`Corr-work`	`didn't it used to be something like that?`
`19:48.01`	`Corr-work`	`to badly mangle grammar`
`19:48.06`	`Corr-work`	`wasn't it something like that before?`
`19:48.08`	`malreth`	`something like that... then they removed the damage buff`
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`19:48.51`	`malreth`	`sorry.. the damage buff only applied to arcane blast itself`
`19:48.57`	`Corr-work`	`oh, right`
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`19:49.27`	`malreth`	`with the change, you will now weave Blast and Barrage`
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`19:50.07`	`malreth`	`alternate for mana efficiency or stack blast for +90% damage buff to Barrage or Missiles`
`19:50.51`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i might actually try arcane on my mage if those changes go in, although i dont know how good it'd be for leveling`
`19:51.40`	`malreth`	`evocation cooldown reduced.... further reduced if you spec arcane flows`
`19:51.53`	`malreth`	`2 min CD evocations...`
`19:51.56`	`Tem\|work`	`leveling arcane may actually be viable`
`19:52.07`	`Tem\|work`	`and a 2m cooldown on evo is a no-drinking spec`
`19:52.09`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`with a 2m CD on evoc... im thinking so ;)`
`19:52.18`	`malreth`	`that's obscene`
`19:52.18`	`Tem\|work`	`which means I might actually level my mage past 70`
`19:52.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`^^`
`19:53.02`	`malreth`	`the only criticism i can have with evocation now... is that you might forget to use it when it's available.`
`19:53.03`	`malreth`	`:p`
`19:53.26`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`oh, hell, and add on the Evoc Glyph, and that's 60% mana & health every 2m.`
`19:54.12`	`Tem\|work`	`oh yeah they said they were changing a lot of DK glyphs to remove the downsides`
`19:54.16`	`Tem\|work`	`that sounds hell interesting`
`19:54.30`	`Tem\|work`	`I wonder if the AMS glyph got changed to remove its downside`
`20:03.02`	`Trixer`	`Lope: I think im gonna buy a couple of them DVDs`
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`20:11.58`	`sacarasc`	`:o`
`20:12.02`	`sacarasc`	`he's a slacker!`
`20:12.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm leaving early too, just not as early as Dearest Darling Tem.`
`20:13.51`	`mikma`	`<rofl> what the heck are you doing in work at this time?!?!? 10:13pm already!! </rofl>`
`20:14.09`	`smcn`	`anyone know if gathermate's autoimport actually works? :P`
`20:14.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Where YOU live, mikma. Not where I live or Tem lives.`
`20:15.17`	`mikma`	`WHAT?!? you saying finlands timezone is NOT global time?!?!??!? NOWAI!`
`20:15.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Wai.`
`20:15.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`pfft`
`20:15.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i dont know about you`
`20:16.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but I live on finish time`
`20:16.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I live on Russian vodka.`
`20:18.47`	`foxlit`	`http://www.google.com/search?q=%22i%20live%20on%20russian%20vodka%22`
`20:18.53`	`foxlit`	`Surprisingly, you're the first.`
`20:19.14`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Peppy has always been unique.`
`20:23.07`	`Tekkub`	`Binds to Crotch`
`20:23.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Bindings are done with complimentary fabric cut on the bias.`
`20:23.11`	`Lopeppeppy`	`TEKKUB!`
`20:23.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Bad monkey.`
`20:23.15`	`Tekkub`	`what?`
`20:23.36`	`Tekkub`	`you just latch on and never let go`
`20:24.05`	`zenzelezz`	`... and I was wondering if it would be out of line to go with "bind on use"`
`20:24.32`	`Tekkub`	`Binds on Armor Penetration`
`20:24.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You're both quite naughty monkeys.`
`20:24.51`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`well, its better than 'bind on pickup'`
`20:25.00`	`mikma`	`i got an idea that i should code a window that shows absolutely all stats of character in one page`
`20:25.08`	`zenzelezz`	`I don't know, "bind on equip" also sounds wrong`
`20:25.20`	`Tekkub`	`Binds to Bank Account`
`20:25.26`	`mikma`	`i hate changing between melee -> defenses -> base stats`
`20:25.28`	`Sixen`	`I live!`
`20:25.35`	`Sixen`	`Finals are no fun.`
`20:25.55`	`Tekkub`	`I never had issues with finals`
`20:25.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`see, thinking about it, "crotch" is really Lopeppeppy slot, while "bind on use" is her binding property`
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`20:26.17`	`Sixen`	`I don't have issues with them, just stating that they're no fun, ;).`
`20:26.20`	`Tekkub`	`never understood people that freaked out over tests either`
`20:26.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`... Y'all are cruising to get smacked next Blizcon.`
`20:26.46`	`mikma`	`you can smack me, if i can go there for free`
`20:26.53`	`Sixen`	`Heh, I don't ever have problems with tests either. Everyone takes 500000 notes. Screw that, too much effort ;p`
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`20:27.07`	`Tekkub`	`exactly, and then "cram" the night before`
`20:27.11`	`Sixen`	`yup`
`20:27.13`	`Tekkub`	`either you know the shit or you don't`
`20:27.19`	`Sixen`	`Agreed 100%.`
`20:27.20`	`Tekkub`	`if you don't, there's no hope`
`20:27.32`	`Tekkub`	`just show up and answer the questions`
`20:27.43`	`Sixen`	`=]`
`20:28.14`	`Tekkub`	`you're only wasting your own money if you can only learn the material long enough to pass the test`
`20:28.43`	`Sixen`	`lol, really.`
`20:30.22`	`Sixen`	`brb`
`20:31.14`	`Shirik`	`Tekkub: That would be great if it weren't for 2 things`
`20:31.33`	`Shirik`	`(1) Businesses seem to have this belief that people with degrees always know more than people that don't have them`
`20:32.10`	`Shirik`	`(2) Many tests seem to test you on things which are publically accessible and which you would use a reference to pick up, and not the actual theory behind it which you do indeed need to know`
`20:32.57`	`Tekkub`	`I think (1) is actually, businesses think if you have a degree, you're more likely to put up with stupid bullshit over the long run`
`20:33.06`	`Tekkub`	`(2) is just failure to write a good test`
`20:33.24`	`CupidStunt`	`oO Activision Blizzard was involved in creating/ratifying OpenCL?`
`20:33.24`	`Shirik`	`Unfortunately (2) is generally true`
`20:33.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it's /easier/ to test reference material than theory.`
`20:34.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Test? No`
`20:34.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Grade? yes`
`20:34.20`	`Tem\|afk`	`Lopeppeppy, it's finals week`
`20:34.26`	`Tem\|afk`	`so my schedule is all kinds of retarded`
`20:34.40`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ScytheBlade1: well, i should rephrase, easier to administer a test on...`
`20:34.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you can write up the test in one night, and have your over-worked under-paid TA grade it off an answer key without thinking`
`20:35.28`	Cralor`	`what can be used to tell if a player is moving?`
`20:35.40`	`Tekkub`	`uh, IsMoving() or some shit`
`20:35.42`	`CupidStunt`	`hmm this openCL thing looks pretty darned hot`
`20:35.59`	Cralor`	`Tekkub: isn't that for frames? :P`
`20:35.59`	`Tekkub`	`or was it something like GetPlayerSpeed`
`20:36.43`	`Tekkub`	`GetUnitSpeed('player')`
`20:37.00`	Cralor`	`thanks :D`
`20:37.18`	`Shirik`	`NightHawkTheSane: And unfortunately, that does not really give any insight into what the person knows`
`20:37.26`	`Shirik`	`except that they may suck at memorizing facts`
`20:37.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`unfortunately so`
`20:39.06`	`CupidStunt`	`someone should post to UI Forum to get an official quote from Blizzard about OpenCL lolololol`
`20:39.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`OpenCL?`
`20:39.37`	`CupidStunt`	`http://www.khronos.org/news/press/releases/the_khronos_group_releases_opencl_1.0_specification/`
`20:39.42`	`CupidStunt`	`GPU computing standard`
`20:40.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Go ahead and post the tech support forum, but don't expect some Bliz statement, really.`
`20:40.38`	`CupidStunt`	`"Proposed six months ago as a draft specification by Apple, OpenCL has been developed and ratified by industry-leading companies including 3DLABS, Activision Blizzard, AMD, Apple, ARM..."`
`20:41.01`	`CupidStunt`	`Lopeppeppy: yeah, leave the quotes to the hardware manufacturers for now ;)`
`20:41.58`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Of course hey have a lot to say right away, but if there's a statement to be made, Bliz isn't shy about making statements on their web pages. ASKING for one they're not ready to make isn't going to net anything though.`
`20:42.33`	`CupidStunt`	`Lopeppeppy: not much they could say apart from 'we're excited about new standards for offloading computation into the GPU' type stuff`
`20:43.12`	`Corr-work`	`as long as Apple doesn't have complete control over the standard`
`20:43.14`	`Shirik`	`muahahaha`
`20:43.16`	`Corr-work`	`then i don't mind`
`20:43.17`	`CupidStunt`	`Lopeppeppy: it probably comes more from the activision/ps3 side of things`
`20:43.18`	`Cidan`	`No`
`20:43.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`So what's the point to post and nag to get nothing.`
`20:43.22`	`Cidan`	`Shirik, you fail.`
`20:43.26`	`Shirik`	`Term 4.000`
`20:43.33`	`Shirik`	`Unfortunately that's with 3 classes not reporting :(`
`20:43.37`	`Cidan`	`Good job, welcome to the club, :P`
`20:43.39`	`Shirik`	`but it's still there!`
`20:44.15`	`Shirik`	`wewt: http://wowi.pastey.net/104120`
`20:45.48`	`Tem\|afk`	`you good students are making Tem feel bad`
`20:46.34`	`Cidan`	`Why?`
`20:46.46`	`Tem\|afk`	`lua> (4*4+3)/5`
`20:46.47`	`lua_bot`	`Tem\|afk: 3.8`
`20:46.54`	`Tem\|afk`	`3.8 :(`
`20:47.08`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Still, a good start, Shirik, congrats.`
`20:47.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`And Tem, 3.8 is a damn fine GPA, don't let Shirik's one 4.0 dismay you.`
`20:47.42`	`Tem\|afk`	`I'm mostly just teasing them`
`20:47.58`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, then continue to layer on the pickled herring, bad monkeys today.`
`20:49.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`what do you know, porn wast one of the top 10 seaches on google for 2008....`
`20:49.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`was not*`
`20:49.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Thunder_Child: i am shocked. shocked and appalled at this outrage.`
`20:49.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`indeed`
`20:50.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`somehow i still sense no maturity for the nets though`
`21:01.21`	`mikma`	`http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/green_piracy.jpg`
`21:02.46`	`mikma`	`http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/hard_way_religion.jpg <- hahaha`
`21:03.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Eeew, second one not funny!`
`21:03.29`	`mikma`	`it is! that's why i laughed`
`21:03.43`	`mikma`	`http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/cat_kill_you.jpg`
`21:03.56`	`mikma`	`for all the cat-fans`
`21:06.15`	`Fisker-`	`Ghostcrawlers: ~When people don't want holy paladins to groups anymore then that'll be a concern`
`21:06.23`	`Fisker-`	`Paladins: People don't want us in raids`
`21:06.33`	`Fisker-`	`Ghostcrawler: Pugs say the darnd'est things`
`21:06.40`	`Fisker-`	`raids = groups`
`21:06.53`	`zenzelezz`	`my guild at least brings 2-3 paladins per raid`
`21:06.55`	`Corr-work`	`i have vertical blinds in front of a big patio window, and one of my cats will sit behind them, staring at me, motionless`
`21:06.56`	`zenzelezz`	`(25-man)`
`21:07.07`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i love holy pallys`
`21:07.09`	`Corr-work`	`face poking out between two of them just enough to see`
`21:07.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Fisker, I have been following just about everythign GC says about pallies, where's this thread?`
`21:07.31`	`Fisker-`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13393669368&sid=1`
`21:07.36`	`Fisker-`	`that's why i said groups not raids zenzelezz`
`21:08.06`	`Shirik`	`Tem: If it makes you feel any better, I promise you it won't be above a 3.8 when all the grades come in`
`21:08.12`	`Fisker-`	`oh and to the raids i've been on, both holy paladins and resto shamans have basically just been "Just take one, so we don't diss loot"`
`21:08.31`	`selckin`	`take the player not the class /hide`
`21:08.35`	`Tem\|afk`	`lol`
`21:08.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`And in groups, holydins aren't being taken because we can't keep up with AoE damage.`
`21:08.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`... is this a useful glyph at all? i'm not sure.. http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41107`
`21:08.57`	`selckin`	`you're a bad player then tbh`
`21:09.11`	`Shirik`	`however, Tem, I have a Big Mac right now, and I bet you don't`
`21:09.16`	`Fisker-`	`lol selckin`
`21:09.24`	`Tem\|afk`	`Shirik, I just had Canes`
`21:09.27`	`Tem\|afk`	`nothing beats Canes`
`21:09.28`	`Fisker-`	`Probably the onther way around`
`21:09.29`	`Shirik`	`Canes?`
`21:09.32`	`Tem\|afk`	`also, EW MCDONALDS`
`21:09.34`	`Tem\|afk`	`EW EW EW`
`21:09.39`	`Tem\|afk`	`IT COUGHED ON ME`
`21:09.39`	`Shirik`	`~lart Tem\|afk`
`21:09.39`	`purl`	`beats Tem\|afk senseless with a 50lb Unix manual`
`21:09.40`	`Tem\|afk`	`EW EWEW`
`21:09.41`	`selckin`	`Fisker-: i have no problem healing any of the 5 or 10 mans`
`21:09.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Fisker-: o_0 i've had zero issues healing, or getting groups as a resto shaman`
`21:09.55`	`selckin`	`in 25 i'm a tank, so dunno`
`21:10.00`	`Shirik`	`Lopeppeppy: I think that's crazy`
`21:10.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`and im still doing as much or more healing than holy priests.`
`21:10.04`	`Shirik`	`we take several paladin healers`
`21:10.10`	`Fisker-`	`Doesn't mean there's not a problem selckin`
`21:10.11`	`Shirik`	`and they consistently do well`
`21:10.33`	`Shirik`	`or everyone else consistently does poorly`
`21:10.38`	`Shirik`	`I think the latter is probably more likely, but meh`
`21:10.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`done malygos yet`
`21:10.53`	`Gnarfoz`	`gg pally healers`
`21:11.06`	`Shirik`	`they did fine`
`21:11.09`	`Shirik`	`I was still on top`
`21:11.11`	`selckin`	`pally will keep your tank up, while the rest is healing the aoe`
`21:11.12`	`Shirik`	`but they did fine`
`21:11.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the only time i've seen a holy pally suck is when they didn't pick up Beacon of light, and utterly failed at healing some aoe damage.`
`21:11.15`	`Shirik`	`exactly`
`21:11.19`	`selckin`	`stop looking at healing meters`
`21:11.21`	`selckin`	`they mean shit`
`21:11.28`	`Shirik`	`^`
`21:11.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`uh yeah`
`21:11.43`	`CupidStunt`	`in case anyone missed it... hah... http://media.arstechnica.com/news.media/battlenet.jpg`
`21:11.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`who said I was.`
`21:12.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`selckin, tell that to the people who have fun turning down holy paladins because we have no AoE heals. They aren't even looking at damage meters, just our base class abilities.`
`21:12.17`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No Hot? No AoE heal? Oh well, good luck getting a 5 man.`
`21:12.26`	`selckin`	`Lopeppeppy: don't pug with idiots`
`21:12.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Lopeppeppy: you should stop grouping with idiots`
`21:12.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`the world (of warcraft) is made up of idiots.`
`21:12.53`	`selckin`	`quit the game`
`21:12.56`	`selckin`	`you're one of em`
`21:12.56`	`Fisker-`	`Gnarfoz is right`
`21:13.03`	`Lopeppeppy`	`selckin, I can't pug with smart people either.`
`21:13.05`	`Fisker-`	`not the paladins fault that WoW is made up of idiots`
`21:13.08`	`CupidStunt`	`Fisker- is also an idiot`
`21:13.13`	`Fisker-`	`yes`
`21:13.16`	`selckin`	`Lopeppeppy: it's why people form guilds.`
`21:13.18`	`Fisker-`	`but atleast my name doesn't fail`
`21:13.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yargh. Anyway.`
`21:13.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`also, lack of HoT and AoE kind of is a valid concern :p`
`21:13.40`	`CupidStunt`	`Fisker-: you do have a - in your name tho, that's a bit of fail`
`21:13.48`	`selckin`	`it's not`
`21:13.49`	`Tem\|afk`	`ADFASDFASDFSADF`
`21:13.54`	`Tem\|afk`	`I HATE THESE FUCKING TRAINS`
`21:13.55`	`Tem\|afk`	`ASDFASDFASDF`
`21:13.58`	`Shirik`	`wtf? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13393390119&sid=1`
`21:14.14`	`selckin`	`i had people hearthstone and leave 25man raids because ppl used trains`
`21:14.20`	`mikma`	`talking about trains.. a train hit a moose in finland :D`
`21:14.23`	`Fisker-`	`because the name is registered gitfinger i can't actually steal a name i don't have access to`
`21:14.33`	`\|pez\|`	`selckin: because people used trains? 0.o`
`21:14.33`	`mikma`	`they said that the moose was spread around`
`21:15.27`	`selckin`	`i made dummy files for all the choochho sounds, so can' thear it anymore`
`21:15.52`	`mikma`	`priceless`
`21:15.54`	`mikma`	`now release it`
`21:16.02`	`Fisker-`	`but i guess there's always a good side`
`21:16.13`	`selckin`	`http://selckin.be/FrellingTrains.rar`
`21:16.15`	`Fisker-`	`My random "Are you healer?"-whispers has gone down to like 1/5 of before`
`21:16.19`	`Fisker-`	`and now they are "Are you tank?"`
`21:16.21`	`selckin`	`its just 0 byte files named the samed`
`21:16.24`	`selckin`	`but it in data folder`
`21:16.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`hahahahahahaha http://gizmodo.com/5106116/video-suv-owner-strikes-back-and-tows-a-tow-truck`
`21:16.55`	`Tem\|afk`	`hehe, my AH alt has a Halloween quest from 2 years ago`
`21:18.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`TTFN peoples.`
`21:19.13`	`gitfinger`	`Shirik: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pfenwick/3086794626/`
`21:19.41`	`*** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.30.131)`
`21:25.02`	`Trixer`	`TTFN?`
`21:25.16`	`Trixer`	`ohh wait`
`21:25.18`	`Trixer`	`ta ta for now`
`21:26.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`better`
`21:26.30`	`Trixer`	`very badly`
`21:26.33`	`Trixer`	`very very badly`
`21:26.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`much much better`
`21:26.43`	`Trixer`	`its going to stick to your pan use something at least to keep it from sticking`
`21:26.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes, it's called a toaster oven`
`21:27.12`	`Trixer`	`Toaster Oven == lame`
`21:27.19`	`Trixer`	`Be a real man use a stove! :P`
`21:27.29`	`*** join/#wowuidev Zootfizzle (i=c64a263b@WoWUIDev/Blizz/Zooty-Zoot-Zoot)`
`21:27.29`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Zootfizzle] by ChanServ`
`21:27.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats ok, i'll be a real man and save some money`
`21:27.50`	`Corr-work`	`excellent video...`
`21:28.20`	`Cidan`	`ex`
`21:28.22`	`Cidan`	`girlfriend`
`21:28.25`	`Cidan`	`is`
`21:28.27`	`Cidan`	`crazy.`
`21:28.31`	`Cidan`	`What the hell is wrong with you women?`
`21:28.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`better than current girlfriend is crazy`
`21:28.47`	`Corr-work`	`you're the one who decided to hook up with her`
`21:29.46`	`Cidan`	`Seriously, she's going around campus telling my friends I'm some sort of monster`
`21:30.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Cidan: shorter question would be "what the hell ISN'T wrong with you women"`
`21:32.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Thunder_Child: ... toaster oven, i hadn't considered that, interesting idea`
`21:32.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`indeed NightHawkTheSane, at least you are not close minded like a certian someone i wont mention`
`21:33.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i'm generally pretty open about food.`
`21:34.02`	`mikma`	`cidan: tell them she just means your cock`
`21:34.31`	`mikma`	`"its like babys arm holding an apple"`
`21:34.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`mikma, you better hope they think "monster cock" not "cock monster"`
`21:36.17`	`Trixer`	`Cidan: Women are evil`
`21:36.34`	`Trixer`	`Cidan: Listen to Tek9's song "Crazy Bitches" and you will completely understand haha`
`21:38.26`	`Cidan`	`Trixer: You listen to Tek9?`
`21:38.28`	`Cidan`	`hah.`
`21:38.34`	`Cidan`	`Never would have figured you the type.`
`21:39.28`	`Shirik`	`Tek9`
`21:39.32`	`Shirik`	`is that like Tekkub's band or something?`
`21:39.52`	`Olorin`	`whats the last event to get fired when the character has actually logged in, I keep getting messages on an addon that tries to add friends to list that they are not part of your realm...`
`21:40.09`	`Tekkub`	`Tek's 9" monster cock?`
`21:40.10`	`Tekkub`	`lies`
`21:40.13`	`Cidan`	`variables loaded, maybe?`
`21:41.13`	`Olorin`	`hmm maybee but thats fired at addon load stage, im sure thats happening before character actually gets logged in, maybee entering world or whatever the events called?`
`21:41.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`wowwiki has a page on t hat.`
`21:43.13`	`Shirik`	`Olorin: Try PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD`
`21:44.59`	`Olorin`	`thanks, will do, just found the article Night was speaking of, thanks too`
`21:45.35`	`Olorin`	`hmm new one on their PLAYER_ALIVE`
`21:45.51`	`Olorin`	`well not new but one not heard of before`
`21:46.54`	`Olorin`	`nevermind that, was fired when ressurected too`
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`21:57.13`	`Shirik`	`great, I'm broked`
`21:57.20`	`Shirik`	`stuck in combat and can't log out`
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`21:57.42`	`Kirov`	`alt + f4!`
`21:57.43`	`Fisker-`	`alt+f4`
`21:57.46`	`Amarande`	`G'afternoon :)`
`21:57.48`	`Shirik`	`no f that`
`21:57.53`	`Fisker-`	`no f you`
`21:57.54`	`Shirik`	`that means I have to go find my keys`
`21:58.13`	`Fisker-`	`should also be possible to get out of combat if you can cross into a new zone`
`21:59.19`	`Shirik`	`is that a "It should happen" or "It should be this way"?`
`22:00.18`	`Fisker-`	`a "it should happen"`
`22:00.29`	`Fisker-`	`not that it definitely will`
`22:01.00`	`Fisker-`	`But when you get bugged in combat whatever has you in combat will usually be removed when you cross into a new zone (instance or not)`
`22:01.14`	`Fisker-`	`Other than that when you leave the game world completely you will also be dropped out of combat`
`22:04.26`	`Amarande`	`it's humbling to realize how many hit points raid bosses have, sometimes`
`22:04.38`	`*** join/#wowuidev simtower_laptop (n=TOP@129.174.88.5)`
`22:04.42`	`Amarande`	`like, realizing there are individual bosses who have more HP than the total amount of damage your character has dealt -in her career-`
`22:06.54`	`selckin`	`do more bombing quests`
`22:08.52`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Is there an updated Cartographer Miner that shows the nodes in Wrath?`
`22:09.05`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kraps (n=chatzill@pool-96-250-133-78.nycmny.east.verizon.net)`
`22:09.38`	`Kraps`	`so blues dont read the forums... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13392249863&sid=1&pageNo=1`
`22:09.39`	`Stanzilla`	`forget cartographer and use gathermate :P`
`22:09.49`	`Kraps`	`i dont blame them TBH`
`22:11.50`	`alestane`	`You mean the fact that that thread has gone on for 13 pages without being locked or deleted?`
`22:12.18`	`Kraps`	`yes`
`22:12.48`	`alestane`	`In their somewhat flimsy defense, the thread's actually only 3 hours old.`
`22:13.09`	`Kraps`	`but its general so i'll give em the benefit of the doubt`
`22:13.14`	`Corr-work`	`it's just a troll`
`22:13.28`	`Corr-work`	`the thread is for hilarity, possibly a lul or two`
`22:14.07`	`Kraps`	`the sounds dead serious`
`22:14.12`	`Kraps`	`the guy`
`22:14.48`	`Kraps`	`tanking forums are way better :P`
`22:15.13`	`Kraps`	`the most rational of the 3 role forums`
`22:15.18`	`Corr-work`	`it's a little weird that he's posting from a level 71 character, i admit`
`22:15.26`	`*** join/#wowuidev MoonWolf (n=MoonWolf@dhcp-077-250-125-249.chello.nl)`
`22:15.27`	`Corr-work`	`instead of 1 or 10`
`22:15.56`	`Corr-work`	`but that "p.s. nerf ret" at the end is just a dead giveaway`
`22:16.13`	`Shirik`	`~weather kdab`
`22:16.31`	`Kraps`	`didnt see that`
`22:18.16`	`Hirsute`	`Kraps: Wow... how did that thread get to 13 pages?`
`22:18.37`	`Kraps`	`heh thats what i want to know`
`22:19.31`	`bleeter`	`moths to a flame`
`22:19.56`	`bleeter`	`second sentence contains the word 'homophobe'`
`22:20.06`	`Kraps`	`gtg`
`22:20.52`	`Corr-work`	`just a bunch of pyrophiles`
`22:21.14`	`bleeter`	`OT regs probably discovered a General thread`
`22:22.46`	`mikma`	`does On a pale horse work with flying mount?`
`22:23.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`why wouldn't it?`
`22:23.16`	`alestane`	`I believe Crusader Aura does.`
`22:23.36`	`alestane`	`Although we discovered that Crusader Aura does NOT apply to a druid in Flight Form.`
`22:24.07`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`because a druid in flight form isn't mounted. :p`
`22:24.30`	`bleeter`	`^^`
`22:24.42`	`bleeter`	`though some would say he's fucked`
`22:24.45`	`Amarande`	`hmm, 'Primal Mighthorn' rolleyes`
`22:24.48`	`bleeter`	`for the purposes of the game, not mounted`
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`22:27.40`	`mikma`	`hmmm`
`22:27.53`	`mikma`	`then i need to make some decisions about my build`
`22:28.01`	`mikma`	`lack of minion is boring`
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`22:44.49`	`ZorbaTHut`	`few things are more annoying than running into the Stormwind Docks, glancing over at the Northrend boat dock, and . . . yup, there's the boat.`
`22:44.54`	`ZorbaTHut`	`Good luck getting there in time! :D`
`22:44.55`	`Cairenn`	`so what is everyone using these days to show what trade skill an item is used in, in their tooltip addon?`
`22:45.45`	`mikma`	`good question, i can't think of any`
`22:45.55`	`Corr-work`	`is enchantrix still available?`
`22:45.59`	`Shirik`	`/guild`
`22:46.08`	`Corr-work`	`i think it was responsible for telling me that info back in 2.4`
`22:46.14`	`Hirsute`	`Cairenn: I use Informant.`
`22:46.23`	`Shirik`	`enchantrix still exists, but you were referring to informant as Hirsute said`
`22:46.26`	`Hirsute`	`Corr-work: It was Informant`
`22:46.30`	`Corr-work`	`yeah, okay`
`22:46.44`	`Cairenn`	`I know that Enhanced Tooltip does it, but you need the entire auctioneer package for it`
`22:47.22`	`Hirsute`	`Informant actually provides the information, EnhTT just stuck it in the tooltip, but you're right, it's a part of Auctioneer.`
`22:48.08`	`Cairenn`	`hokey dokey`
`22:48.10`	`Cairenn`	`thanks guys`
`22:48.19`	`Hirsute`	`Beyond that, I don't know.`
`22:49.04`	`Amarande`	`Afternoon Cairenn :)`
`22:49.11`	`Amarande`	`I usually use the Auctioneer package for that purpose, btw`
`22:49.11`	`Cairenn`	`hi Amarande :)`
`22:49.20`	`Amarande`	`though I'm not sure exactly which addon it is LOL ... I've always used the suite`
`22:49.22`	`Amarande`	`How's you?`
`22:49.31`	`zenzelezz`	`think it's Informant`
`22:49.43`	`Corr-work`	`i think it's your mom`
`22:49.47`	`Cairenn`	`yeah, it is, I just didn't want to install the whole thing :p`
`22:49.52`	`zenzelezz`	`Informant is not my mom`
`22:49.55`	`Cairenn`	`is no big deal though`
`22:50.11`	`Corr-work`	`you might be able to get away with only activating informant and its dependencies`
`22:50.21`	`Corr-work`	`i doubt you need the other modules active`
`22:50.41`	`zenzelezz`	`that's exactly what I do; Stubby, EnhTooltip, Informant (IIRC)`
`22:51.02`	`Anaral`	`Cairenn: Then don't... Just pull Informant and the libs Stubby, LibExtraTip, TipHelper out of the folder and delete the rest.`
`22:52.10`	`Corr-work`	`stubby and extratip sound like opposing sides of an argument`
`22:52.27`	`Anaral`	`How so?`
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`22:52.52`	`Hirsute`	`shakes head a Corr-work`
`22:53.17`	`Corr-work`	`do you like it stubby? or would you prefer a little extra on the tip? :3`
`22:56.52`	`Shirik`	`"We have looked up your IP address using GeoIP and believe these mirrors are closest to you"`
`22:57.05`	`Shirik`	`Belgium, Belgium, Bosnia, Bulgaria`
`22:57.06`	`Shirik`	`...`
`22:57.27`	`Corr-work`	`they apparently looked for the nearest alphabetically`
`22:57.30`	`zenzelezz`	`Shirik: that could just mean they don't have US mirrors`
`22:57.40`	`Shirik`	`They have like 8 US mirrors at the bottom :P`
`22:57.43`	`Shirik`	`It's MySQL`
`22:58.19`	`Shirik`	`I think the best part is that it's listed under "Mirrors In: United States"`
`22:58.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`Cairenn: Mendeleev does that, too, via PeriodicTable`
`22:58.32`	`Cairenn`	`Gnarfoz: danke`
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`23:00.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`wtf do boxers cost so damn much`
`23:00.49`	`Hirsute`	`Because people get mad when they throw the match?`
`23:01.09`	`Shirik`	`Okay "My Pictures" "My STANDARD "My Documents" "My Pictures" "My Downloads" folders, etc. For some reason, I also have one "My Shapes" does anyone know wtf that is?`
`23:01.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`i meant the kind people wear`
`23:01.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`but thanks for playing`
`23:01.27`	`Shirik`	`Thunder_Child: Same reason gas was $4/gal`
`23:01.27`	`Codayus_`	`My Shapes? Sounds likeVisio`
`23:01.31`	`Shirik`	`because people will buy that much`
`23:01.35`	`Shirik`	`s/buy/pay/`
`23:01.55`	`Shirik`	`except you apparently`
`23:02.05`	`Shirik`	`but I mean`
`23:02.08`	`Shirik`	`you can't NOT buy boxers`
`23:02.12`	`Codayus_`	`It's part of a plot to make more people go commando.`
`23:02.27`	`zenzelezz`	`Shirik: sure you can`
`23:02.30`	`Codayus_`	`...or to cause sterility by making people choose briefs? Either or...`
`23:03.08`	`zenzelezz`	`just get yourself some lingerie, or go commando`
`23:03.18`	`alestane`	`Shirik: My Shapes is for Visio, yes.`
`23:03.20`	`Shirik`	`Codayus_: Maybe visio. I used visio once. And only once.`
`23:03.29`	`Corr-work`	`"cause sterility" is an exaggeration`
`23:03.32`	`Shirik`	`thanks`
`23:03.37`	`Amarande`	`lol`
`23:03.44`	`Corr-work`	`although i don't know why anybody would WANT children, it's hardly a 100% preventative to wear briefs`
`23:03.50`	`Amarande`	`how the hell did the notion come up that briefs somehow decrease fertility?`
`23:03.55`	`Codayus_`	`Corr-work: It's the internets. Exaggeration is required. If you don't exaggerae you will be executed.`
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`23:04.06`	`Corr-work`	`are you exaggerating now?`
`23:04.08`	`Amarande`	`despite the fact that it seems like utter BS, it seems to have acquired canard status`
`23:04.19`	`Shirik`	`~dict canard`
`23:04.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`really? only time i ever heard that was in a joke`
`23:04.45`	`Shirik`	`everything from "cornish hen" to "hoax" to "cry"`
`23:04.50`	`Corr-work`	`i haven't tried boxes, but i'm quite happy with briefs. boxers look to me like a lot of extra cloth to bunch up uncomfortably in your pants without proving any additional benefit`
`23:04.52`	`Shirik`	`The second of which I believe to be true`
`23:05.10`	`mikma`	`meh, 4% more damage from 2h or 20% faster mount`
`23:05.13`	`mikma`	`decisions decisions`
`23:05.40`	`Corr-work`	`as a raider, i would have been a fool to choose mount speed over more damage`
`23:05.41`	`zenzelezz`	`brave sir Mikma ran away, he ran, he ran away away`
`23:07.10`	`Shirik`	`what kind of coconuts`
`23:07.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`Cocos nucifera`
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`23:20.01`	`Amarande`	`mikma: mount speed should never be specced for :S`
`23:20.23`	`mikma`	`amarande: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0EMZ0xZfg0h0fogcq0csut <- poop`
`23:20.27`	`Amarande`	`the only speed boost I ever advise spending actual talent points on is improved ghostwolf for shamans`
`23:20.36`	`Amarande`	`and that's because two points in it is an instant, works-anywhere escape button`
`23:21.07`	`Cide`	`speed boosts are nice for leveling purposes`
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`23:21.28`	`alestane`	`On A Pale Horse also has other benefits.`
`23:21.41`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`mostly pvp ones though`
`23:21.43`	`Cide`	`yep, like having a cool name...`
`23:21.52`	`Cide`	`it's worth speccing into for leveling for sure`
`23:22.04`	`Amarande`	`Cide: for leveling, it's usually best to spec for max dps`
`23:22.12`	`Cide`	`that's where you're wrong`
`23:22.16`	`Corr-work`	`no, i could see mount speed being pretty useful`
`23:22.24`	`Amarande`	`at least that's what Jame always advised in the leveling guide`
`23:22.30`	`Cide`	`great argument`
`23:22.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the amount of time you spend riding from point a to point b is really staggering`
`23:22.39`	`Cide`	`referencing an authority? doesn't work`
`23:22.46`	`Cide`	`that would be correct if you assume 100% of the time is spent dpsing`
`23:22.58`	`Cide`	`I'd estimate it to be 50:50`
`23:23.15`	`Cide`	`in which case +20% speed would give the same benefit as +20% dps, which you won't ever find in 2 talent points`
`23:23.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`especially given that (on a dk specifically) you'll be spending the next 18 levels on that land mount`
`23:24.10`	`Amarande`	`well, depends how soon you go to northrend`
`23:24.26`	`Cide`	`going there at >70 would just be pure stupidity`
`23:24.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`^^`
`23:24.32`	`Amarande`	`at this point, I'd make even more of a point to wait till 70-71 to go to northrend`
`23:24.34`	`Cide`	`going there at 68 is ideal`
`23:24.41`	`nevcairiel`	`68 and of you go, quest xp doubles, and so does per-mob xp`
`23:24.42`	`Amarande`	`Cide: actually not really, especially if you want achievements`
`23:24.48`	`Cide`	`who the fuck cares about achievements`
`23:24.50`	`Amarande`	`think of it this way, you can easily get to at least 70 off outland quests`
`23:24.51`	`Cide`	`we're talking leveling`
`23:24.55`	`Cide`	`you can`
`23:24.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`well, one could argue that waiting until 69, at 68 some things are a little rougher, but not much`
`23:24.59`	`Cide`	`but quest xp doubles like nevcairiel said`
`23:25.03`	`Cide`	`at 68 in netherstorm I got 10-11k`
`23:25.09`	`Cide`	`in HF I got 20k`
`23:25.13`	`Amarande`	`That's two levels' worth of high end quests in Northrend that turn into gold at 80, if you can keep two levels above the 'curve'`
`23:25.21`	`Cide`	`yep`
`23:25.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`its a trivial amount`
`23:25.31`	`Cide`	`but the time you gain can be spent doing dailies`
`23:25.34`	`Amarande`	`and given how the dalaran ring, cold weather flight, the achievements etc. cost insanely huge gobs of cash ...`
`23:25.42`	`Cide`	`nobody has a problem getting money`
`23:25.49`	`Cide`	`you're changing the discussion though`
`23:25.52`	`Amarande`	`Cide: first rule of moeny`
`23:26.02`	`Amarande`	`if you think you're rich, someone will advertise something in /2 showing that you're not`
`23:26.02`	`Amarande`	`heh`
`23:26.09`	`Cide`	`it's not about being the richest`
`23:26.13`	`Cide`	`it's about being rich enough`
`23:26.18`	`Amarande`	`I'm still wondering why 20 fire resistance to cloak is 5000-7000g`
`23:26.20`	`Cide`	`which everyone can be with little effort`
`23:26.21`	`Amarande`	`is it really that important now?`
`23:26.27`	`nevcairiel`	`I am just leveling a DK, and going to borean tundra with 68 was so smooth. after that HF and i was 73 for dragonblight`
`23:26.28`	`Cide`	`nope`
`23:26.41`	`Fisker-`	`lets harass nevcairiel`
`23:26.46`	`Amarande`	`or is it significantly cheaper to grind enchanting on that compared to other things at that point so you really want that one if you can?`
`23:26.48`	`Cide`	`honestly though`
`23:27.01`	`nevcairiel`	`you dont need any resistance of any kind right now`
`23:27.04`	`Cide`	`there's no point staying in outland past 68 if you want to level as fast as possible`
`23:28.13`	`Cide`	`which means that +20% speed is a huge benefit to your leveling speed (it is regardless of whether or not you buy an epic flyer at 70 and use that for 5 minutes before going to northrend)`
`23:28.30`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah on a pale horse is amazing :)`
`23:28.37`	`Amarande`	`there's also one or two things that might be better done at 70`
`23:28.48`	`Amarande`	`like if you want to do the netherwing races ... you probably should do them then`
`23:29.13`	`nevcairiel`	`YOu want to stay on 70 and grind netherwing reputation?`
`23:29.15`	`Cide`	`you realize you are assuming that everyone has 6000 gold to spare`
`23:29.17`	`nevcairiel`	`well have fun, sir.`
`23:29.25`	`Amarande`	`nev: there's all the speed boosts that go away at 71 and never come back, ever`
`23:29.26`	`Cide`	`on their other characters`
`23:29.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`"all the speed boosts"?`
`23:29.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`there's precisely one.`
`23:30.02`	`Amarande`	`Night: I could have sworn there were one or two others`
`23:30.07`	`Amarande`	`unless that was changed in beta`
`23:30.08`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`there's a crop. that's it.`
`23:30.11`	`Cide`	`the speed boost you get from that pales (pun intended) in comparison to On A Palse Horse`
`23:30.14`	`Corr-work`	`they deleted the carrot?`
`23:30.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`that's all there's EVER been`
`23:30.20`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`carrot does not stack with crop`
`23:30.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`neither do spurs or glove enchant.`
`23:30.27`	`Corr-work`	`we weren't talking about stacking`
`23:30.29`	`Amarande`	`and I think the carrot stops working after 70, too`
`23:30.32`	`Corr-work`	`there's also the skybreaker whip`
`23:30.35`	`Amarande`	`Night: don't spurs stop working after 70?`
`23:30.38`	`nevcairiel`	`Its still absolutely silly. If i want to level a DK, i dont stay on 70 for a freaking month to grind some old 70 reputation`
`23:30.49`	`Cide`	`you could`
`23:30.51`	`Amarande`	`I'm pretty sure only class/talent based boni and the gloves work after 70`
`23:31.02`	`Cide`	`but it would be silly if we're talking leveling speed`
`23:31.07`	`Cide`	`which was the original discussion`
`23:31.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Amarande: they all do, but no one but idiots got anything but the crop once it was available anyway`
`23:31.31`	`nevcairiel`	`curious though, wonder if the daily-quest exp is low enough to not get you 71 by the time you reach revered or such :D`
`23:31.32`	`Corr-work`	`you never know how blizzard is going to change the game in the future`
`23:31.54`	`Corr-work`	`i do not consider it foolish to obtain other items that might have a use in the future, especially if you're not going out of your way to do unpleasant things to get them`
`23:32.03`	`Cide`	`well`
`23:32.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`nevcairiel: isn't it just whatever outlands quest exp was? 10-12k or something?`
`23:32.09`	`Cide`	`looking at the past to predict the future`
`23:32.18`	`nevcairiel`	`NightHawkTheSane: i dunno, might be a bit more`
`23:32.32`	`nevcairiel`	`looking at the past, they very rarely recycle old items`
`23:32.32`	`Cide`	`if there is such an item, players will bitch about it and blizzard will add a new one similar to it or change the old item to stop working`
`23:32.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`nevcairiel: shrug it's been a little while since i've actually done quests for xp in outlands ;)`
`23:32.36`	`nevcairiel`	`they rather create new ones`
`23:32.40`	`Amarande`	`I know the Shattrath cooking daily is 12650xp now`
`23:32.47`	`Cide`	`wow!`
`23:32.48`	`Amarande`	`but that's the only one I've done lately so I don't know now`
`23:32.54`	`Cide`	`that's half of any northrend quest!`
`23:32.55`	`Amarande`	`you can probably tell from the gold I guess`
`23:32.57`	`Cide`	`and you can do it every day!`
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`23:39.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`http://www.azcentral.com/community/chandler/articles/2008/12/01/20081201cr-cheesecake1128.html`
`23:49.20`	`Wobin`	`wow`
`23:49.27`	`Wobin`	`That's all kinds of terrible`
`23:53.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`if that had happened to me the next day i would have been back with a bat...or a glock`
`23:53.55`	`Corr-work`	`maybe this is common among cheesecake factory workers`
`23:54.11`	`Corr-work`	`i don't know much about the kind of people who work in factories`
`23:54.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`i can tell you at least one where it doesnt happen`
`23:59.06`	`ZorbaTHut`	`can anyone come up with a good reason why moonkin form is allowed to use remove curse but not remove poison? :P`

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