| 00:00.23 | Coren{de} | yeah, it is based on, like a labyrinth is based on a hedge :) |
| 00:00.45 | cbreak | Valgrind for Darwin is experimental :( |
| 00:01.22 | Shirik | I never actually used valgrind |
| 00:01.49 | Tekkub | BEST INN EVAR |
| 00:01.57 | Tekkub | Stars' Rest, Dragonblight |
| 00:02.09 | Tekkub | there's a tent, with an innkeeper and a mailbox |
| 00:02.12 | Coren{de} | the tent-with-a-guy-lying? |
| 00:02.16 | Tekkub | if you go in the tent, you get rest! |
| 00:02.32 | cbreak | there's a tiny wood building in snow peaks |
| 00:02.42 | cbreak | alliance only though |
| 00:02.49 | cbreak | tauren would not fit in the doorway |
| 00:02.55 | Tekkub | yea this one's ally onry too |
| 00:04.05 | Coren{de} | I was told that somewhere, there's an innkeeper with a rest perimeter outdoors (i.e. without anything, no building, no tent, not even an umbrella) - that guy is just *so* comfortable that you can rest next to him ;) |
| 00:04.48 | cbreak | maybe he's a city. |
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| 00:06.24 | Shirik | anyone know a good database design tool? |
| 00:06.28 | Shirik | where I can like layout a diagram, etc.? |
| 00:06.41 | Shirik | doesn't have to actually export to code |
| 00:06.44 | Shirik | I just want to design |
| 00:08.03 | Coren{de} | does pencil and paper count as design tool? :D |
| 00:08.17 | Tekkub | do it in your head? |
| 00:08.29 | cbreak | inkscape? :/ |
| 00:08.39 | Tekkub | or are you one of those whiteboard types that can't design in your head? |
| 00:08.58 | Shirik | I don't do databases as much so I don't trust myself to design that in my head |
| 00:09.03 | Shirik | as far as paper and pencil goes |
| 00:09.03 | cbreak | I know OmniGraphle on OS X. Doesn't Visual studio have that crystal report stuff? |
| 00:09.06 | Shirik | I don't think I have paper |
| 00:09.13 | Shirik | crystal report? I dunno |
| 00:09.14 | Shirik | what's that |
| 00:09.16 | Tekkub | pencil and drywall? |
| 00:09.19 | Coren{de} | btw. in case anyone cares, wine 1.1.10 (with ATI drivers) still crashes on Dalaran... I'd really like to know, who messed that up :( |
| 00:09.23 | cbreak | I don't remember what it is |
| 00:09.26 | Tekkub | crayon and latex painted walls? |
| 00:09.33 | cbreak | I just remember being angry about microsoft because of it |
| 00:09.33 | Shirik | OH! |
| 00:09.35 | cog|away | Shirik: why not actually design the db and print out the diagram? |
| 00:09.37 | Shirik | I could use my new glow station |
| 00:09.38 | cbreak | and that it did some graph stuff |
| 00:09.38 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:09.47 | Shirik | cog|away: What I'm trying to do... |
| 00:10.10 | Coren{de} | don't use Crystal Reports... just don't... that thing is *so* /afkpuking |
| 00:10.41 | cog|away | visual studio's design tools are pretty much equivalent to a drawing program imo |
| 00:11.22 | Shirik | I did "new database project" in visual studio, is that right? |
| 00:11.26 | Tekkub | there's only one acceptable solution here |
| 00:11.36 | Tekkub | you must make refrigerator magnets |
| 00:11.41 | Tekkub | and design with those |
| 00:11.46 | Shirik | omg |
| 00:11.48 | Shirik | awesome idea |
| 00:11.53 | Coren{de} | woo, /support-motion |
| 00:11.55 | Tekkub | get the lil ones you can use dry erase markers on |
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| 00:12.56 | Shirik | ugh |
| 00:12.59 | Coren{de} | tbh, I'm kinda curious why you'd need a tool for a db... unless it's a veeery complex one with 10+ tables and crossreferences and ugly triggerworks... |
| 00:12.59 | Shirik | I don't have mssql installed |
| 00:13.13 | NightHawkTheSane | are the adds on faerlina death-grippable? |
| 00:13.14 | Shirik | it will be fairly complex, Coren{de} |
| 00:13.28 | NightHawkTheSane | (as in, can a DK tank pull one over to faerlina when its time to nuke it?) |
| 00:13.43 | cbreak | I bet they are night |
| 00:13.46 | cbreak | they are even sheepable |
| 00:13.52 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, im thinking they are |
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| 00:17.18 | Coren{de} | back to 1.1.5, less crashing from sound engine, more from gfx engine... sometimes I'd *almost* wished I played in Windows :> |
| 00:17.34 | cladhaire | well drag-reordering implemented. |
| 00:19.00 | cbreak | I spent half the afternoon fixing one of my ancient addons for WotLK :/ |
| 00:19.19 | cbreak | depressing how bad my coding was back when I wrote it... |
| 00:20.19 | Coren{de} | but engaging in how you improved! glass half full ftw? |
| 00:20.29 | cbreak | guess so :) |
| 00:20.52 | cbreak | UIDropDownMenu is a pain though. |
| 00:21.25 | cladhaire | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/90d56e786d11e36f1deaa71cf03dbd76.png |
| 00:21.35 | Coren{de} | I guess it was meant as a quick hack, someday to be replaced by something really appropriate... that day is still to come ;) |
| 00:22.50 | cbreak | I read somewhere that code is never replaced, just patched |
| 00:23.21 | Corrodias | cladhaire: this appears to be an image of wow running in a window with extra white area around it |
| 00:23.31 | cbreak | that's the shadow |
| 00:23.36 | cbreak | it's not white |
| 00:23.40 | cbreak | it's alpha transparent :) |
| 00:23.46 | cladhaire | idd |
| 00:23.48 | cladhaire | and its of the addon |
| 00:23.50 | cladhaire | not me playing wow |
| 00:23.51 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:23.56 | cbreak | you can put it over any background. OS X screenshots rock. |
| 00:23.57 | Coren{de} | depends :) I read that Real Hackers (tm) plan to throw away the first attempt in any way... because afterwards one knows how it should have been done in the first place ;) |
| 00:24.06 | Corrodias | ah, okay, didn't realize |
| 00:24.12 | cladhaire | heh |
| 00:24.36 | cbreak | the bar on top? |
| 00:24.55 | Corrodias | cbreak: what doea alpha transparent mean? how is it related to the background in such a way that other implementations might not work over all backgrounds? |
| 00:25.26 | cbreak | you said the image had a white border, but the border isn't actually white |
| 00:26.03 | Corrodias | oh |
| 00:26.34 | Coren{de} | cladhaire, I still don't get what there is to see... in regards to drag-reordering :D |
| 00:26.42 | cladhaire | nothing |
| 00:26.53 | cladhaire | but that bar takes so much less cpu/.memory than either titan or fubar |
| 00:26.56 | cladhaire | that's whats important |
| 00:27.32 | cladhaire | 65.2KiB for the entire addon after first garbage collection |
| 00:27.34 | Coren{de} | ah. got no bar addon, so I didn't recognize that it's different. |
| 00:27.44 | cladhaire | the panel on the top |
| 00:27.44 | cbreak | I stopped using those bars once I realized that they were useless for me. |
| 00:27.47 | cladhaire | that's not default |
| 00:27.51 | cladhaire | ah, well its not useless for me |
| 00:28.08 | cladhaire | but using a cpu/memory beast for something that should be lightweight matters to me :P |
| 00:28.11 | cbreak | I didn't find anything to display in it which wasn't already somewere else :) |
| 00:28.21 | cladhaire | al, well I like cleaning things up |
| 00:28.29 | cladhaire | i.e. moving my TomTom Crazy arrow to an LDB feed, so I can see it in the panel |
| 00:28.32 | cladhaire | including the spinny arrow |
| 00:28.34 | cladhaire | that will make me happy |
| 00:29.00 | Coren{de} | wow, happiness from just that is awesome ;) |
| 00:29.22 | Coren{de} | (scnr) |
| 00:30.49 | Coren{de} | I just run with XPerl plus 4 other Addons, my old system wouldn't tolerate more if I wanted a second frame in the same second :D |
| 00:31.31 | cbreak | did you try cpu profiling? |
| 00:31.39 | cbreak | it'll make everything even slower :) |
| 00:33.21 | Corrodias | sure, discriminate against me just because i use a core 2 duo |
| 00:33.39 | Corrodias | hardware racist. >:o |
| 00:34.19 | cbreak | well, it will also tell you which addon uses how much cpu time |
| 00:34.27 | cbreak | I stoped using IceHud because of it |
| 00:34.35 | cbreak | and Cartographer. |
| 00:34.42 | Corrodias | aw, come on, that was a fine joke >_> |
| 00:35.27 | Coren{de} | I skipped dualcore and went from single to triple ;) |
| 00:35.49 | cbreak | I went from dual core to 8 core. |
| 00:35.58 | Coren{de} | multiboxing? |
| 00:36.05 | cbreak | (taking a detour to a one core cpu for a few years) |
| 00:37.02 | cbreak | no. all 8 in one machine |
| 00:37.20 | cbreak | spamming frostbolts on one machine is boring enough :) |
| 00:37.48 | Coren{de} | yeah, but imagine spamming 8 frostbolts at the same time :) |
| 00:38.16 | cbreak | oh, the joy... |
| 00:38.19 | Coren{de} | first you surround the opponent and then send in frostbolt stars, kinda :D |
| 00:38.42 | cbreak | getting two mage spots is hard enough, let alone 8 :) |
| 00:39.20 | Coren{de} | mkay, box a healer and tank in addition and you are your own raid! no need to get a spot ;) |
| 00:40.21 | Coren{de} | (only issue is that you have noone else to blame if you draw aggro from you...) |
| 00:40.38 | Corrodias | one player. 25 druids. wild animal orgy. |
| 00:40.44 | cbreak | I tried healing with one char |
| 00:40.47 | cbreak | gave up after 5 mins |
| 00:40.50 | cbreak | it's _hard_ |
| 00:41.49 | Coren{de} | depends on many factors... pala is easiest, then shaman, priest, druid... which did you try? |
| 00:46.53 | WobWork | can you have apostraphes in email addresses? |
| 00:47.16 | cbreak | no |
| 00:48.27 | WobWork | that's what I thought |
| 00:48.55 | cbreak | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5322#section-3.4 |
| 00:53.16 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/star_wars4.jpg <- cool |
| 00:54.13 | Codayus_ | Actually, you can have an apostrophe in an email address. See RFC 5322 |
| 00:54.53 | Corrodias | that doesn't make sense, mikma. all bad guys use red ones, and none of the good guys do. |
| 00:55.01 | Corrodias | COLOR CODED for your convenience |
| 00:55.13 | Corrodias | so it makes no sense to put red ones in that case. |
| 00:56.35 | Shirik | There's an official RFC5322 regex |
| 00:56.44 | Shirik | just test it against that |
| 00:56.56 | cbreak | if you quote it :/ |
| 00:57.03 | cbreak | I guess |
| 00:57.26 | Shirik | let's test it |
| 00:57.29 | Shirik | I'll open up regex buddy :) |
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| 00:58.57 | Codayus_ | ...in fact, cbreak even linked rfc5322, abd still got it wrong. :-( |
| 00:59.12 | cbreak | I didn't actually read it... |
| 00:59.15 | cbreak | :) |
| 00:59.16 | Codayus_ | :) |
| 01:00.15 | Codayus_ | In any case, atext is defined as any letter, number, plus: ! # $ % & ' * + - / = ? ^ _ ` { | } ~ |
| 01:00.38 | mikma | corrodias: what about http://kuvaton.com/bshit/prayer_vs_hard_work.png |
| 01:01.11 | Corrodias | what about it? |
| 01:01.28 | Corrodias | i don't think lightsabers have much to do with that, honestly |
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| 01:03.01 | Shirik | I can't find it |
| 01:03.01 | Shirik | gah |
| 01:03.05 | Shirik | I used to know this perfect regex |
| 01:03.10 | Shirik | AH! |
| 01:03.11 | Shirik | Finally |
| 01:03.16 | Shirik | http://ex-parrot.com/~pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html |
| 01:03.56 | cbreak | is that even legal? |
| 01:04.55 | Kaso | the problem is several mail servers/clients only accept a subset of the rfc822 |
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| 01:05.47 | cbreak | I guess it was true when I read that Regular Expressions are Turing Complete... |
| 01:06.04 | Codayus_ | Kaso: true |
| 01:06.44 | Shirik | oh man |
| 01:06.48 | Codayus_ | Shirik: Ah, yes. That's a work of art. |
| 01:06.50 | Shirik | regexbuddy took some time to analyze that |
| 01:06.54 | Shirik | now |
| 01:07.02 | Shirik | what is an example of a valid email with apostrophe? |
| 01:07.13 | Coren{de} | wow, that'a an ugly regex I never want to decode :D |
| 01:07.16 | Codayus_ | I'mafish@sea.com |
| 01:07.20 | Codayus_ | That's valid |
| 01:07.24 | Thunder_Child | gah, the stupidity is overwhelming http://photojojo.com/store/awesomeness/candid-photography-spy-lens/ |
| 01:07.34 | Shirik | tests valid :) |
| 01:07.40 | Shirik | really quick test took |
| 01:07.43 | Thunder_Child | candid my fucking ass, how do you miss a freakin periscope |
| 01:07.45 | Shirik | seemed realtime test |
| 01:07.47 | cbreak | "It'sATest"@something.abc |
| 01:07.49 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 01:08.01 | Shirik | the double quotes work too |
| 01:08.05 | Shirik | but not when " is at the beginning |
| 01:08.18 | Shirik | (without the second one) |
| 01:08.57 | Shirik | this really is a pro regex |
| 01:08.57 | Shirik | wow |
| 01:09.01 | Codayus_ | You can use quotes to put all sorts of weird things in email addresses, but it'll confuse a lot of people, clients, and servers. :-( |
| 01:09.37 | cbreak | UTF-8? Hmm... Have to try |
| 01:10.23 | Shirik | give me a utf-8 address :) |
| 01:11.38 | cbreak | "ã¡ã«"@hotmail.com |
| 01:12.01 | Shirik | matches |
| 01:12.03 | cbreak | no idea if that exists though |
| 01:13.31 | Coren{de} | mmh, I'd like to see if a system that actually handles utf8-locals doesn't blow up with embedded R-to-L and L-to-R switches :> |
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| 01:24.02 | cbreak | failed :( |
| 01:24.30 | cbreak | I made an e-mail address with japanese characters, but all I got was a server error. |
| 01:25.06 | Gnarfoz | that regex makes me want to cry |
| 01:25.31 | Gnarfoz | also, I love most forum software I've come across in the last days seems to not be IDN aware |
| 01:25.50 | Corrodias | IDN? |
| 01:25.53 | Gnarfoz | and treats IDN hostnames as invalid in [url] tags |
| 01:25.59 | cbreak | I wonder if apple's Mail.app screwed up the stuff at the sender level |
| 01:26.22 | Gnarfoz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalized_domain_name |
| 01:26.58 | Gnarfoz | can't even link www.hüter.net on our own forums (which the address links to) xD |
| 01:27.31 | cbreak | no ascii alternative? |
| 01:27.42 | Thunder_Child | heh, clicking that in here gave me "www.xnh14ter3ta9735d.net" |
| 01:27.49 | cbreak | try linking to it via IPv6 IP :) |
| 01:28.04 | Corrodias | "Since then, both Mozilla and Opera have now announced that they will be using per-domain whitelists to selectively switch on IDN display for domain run by registries which are taking appropriate anti-spoofing precautions." |
| 01:28.36 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: something is doing something wrong, then :O |
| 01:28.47 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: should be xn-hter-0ra.net |
| 01:28.55 | Gnarfoz | err |
| 01:28.56 | Gnarfoz | xn-- |
| 01:31.12 | Tekkub | an orc named Porc |
| 01:31.15 | Tekkub | heh |
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| 01:33.31 | mikma | reminds me of larry7 |
| 01:33.41 | mikma | spooooorc |
| 01:34.22 | cog|away | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/01/funny-pictures-oldest-ever-lolcat-found/ |
| 01:37.36 | Shirik | yay |
| 01:37.39 | Shirik | naxx clear |
| 01:38.15 | sacarasc | grats Shirik |
| 01:38.24 | sacarasc | 10 or 25? |
| 01:39.19 | Shirik | 25 |
| 01:41.26 | Coren{de} | Gnarfoz, how did you embed? [url=http://www.xn--hter-0ra,net]www.hüter.net[/url]? |
| 01:41.51 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 01:42.02 | Gnarfoz | or rather, yes, tried that too I think |
| 01:42.20 | Gnarfoz | that actually works but then the URL is punycode |
| 01:42.41 | Coren{de} | as it's just a redirect, punycode is fine, no? |
| 01:43.39 | Gnarfoz | you do see the general problem? ;) |
| 01:44.25 | cbreak | general problem: umlauts |
| 01:44.31 | Coren{de} | I see "Dank Lolah jetzt auch www.hüter.net" with "www.h" as colorization and target :D |
| 01:44.33 | cbreak | and all the other non-ascii glyphs |
| 01:45.00 | Gnarfoz | Coren{de}: yeah, the other guy tried it, too, he wasn't aware I already exhausted all possibilities :D |
| 01:45.29 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: if you're starting from that angle: the problem is "not everything is unicode through and through" ^^ |
| 01:45.40 | cbreak | yeah. :) |
| 01:45.48 | cbreak | just... which unicode? :) |
| 01:45.56 | Coren{de} | well, umlauts and accented stuff is still 8-bitable ;) |
| 01:46.17 | Coren{de} | <3 iso8859-15 ~ |
| 01:47.02 | cbreak | UTF-8 is 8 bit too... |
| 01:47.12 | cbreak | for some glyphs :) |
| 01:47.31 | WobWork | I can stop playing now and be happy =P |
| 01:47.36 | Coren{de} | multibyte-sequences are not 8bit, pff |
| 01:49.07 | Coren{de} | Gnarfoz, and "hddf-gilde.de: endlich ein Domainname, der auf die Gilde schlieÃen lässt" -- I lol'ed :) |
| 01:50.33 | Coren{de} | HdF = halt die Fr****, so HddF = halt doch die Fr****? :> |
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| 01:53.10 | Gnarfoz | Coren{de}: Hüter der dunklen Flamme -> HddF ;p |
| 01:54.06 | Coren{de} | I got that much from the gfx on the top of the page :) I just question the reverse HddF -> Hüter :p |
| 01:54.55 | Gnarfoz | since it didn't come into existance that way around... ;) |
| 01:55.04 | Gnarfoz | (same as for HdF, btw) |
| 01:55.42 | Gnarfoz | on the flip side, there's a Counter-Strike clan that has their WoW guild on my realm... clan "RTFM" made a guild called "Ritus Fluminis" xD |
| 01:55.53 | Gnarfoz | quite obscurely hidden ;) |
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| 01:59.44 | Coren{de} | Gnarfoz, das oberste bei WoW-News, darüber hab' ich mich auch schon gewundert/geärgert :D |
| 01:59.56 | Gnarfoz | whut? |
| 02:00.08 | WobWork | ~x de en das oberste bei WoW-News, darüber hab' ich mich auch schon gewundert/geärger |
| 02:00.21 | Gnarfoz | ~slap purl |
| 02:00.22 | purl | ACTION slaps purl, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 02:00.24 | WobWork | woah, poor purl |
| 02:00.39 | tpopcaz | I keep getting a error while im trying to patch saying something wrong with the c:/programfiles/worldofwarcraft/data/patch.mpq but i cant find that file and i try to repair but gives me the error every time? |
| 02:00.42 | WobWork | surprised she can't handle upper ascii |
| 02:01.01 | Gnarfoz | she should be able to handle utf-8 imho |
| 02:01.20 | Gnarfoz | Coren{de}: ah, that crap, I never read that. I block the allvatar script via noscript anyway ;D |
| 02:02.48 | Coren{de} | tpopcaz: is your Repair.exe up to date and of the proper source? US Repair.exe does *not* work on EU installation (as I learned the hard way...) |
| 02:02.50 | cbreak | I don't like punycode. |
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| 02:07.01 | duaiwe | can you get away with 1 tank on gluth in naxx-10? |
| 02:10.02 | WobWork | ... |
| 02:10.03 | WobWork | http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=208&t=698837&page=1 |
| 02:10.06 | WobWork | ok, that is cool |
| 02:14.20 | WobWork | zomg the podracer |
| 02:14.35 | kd3 | oops; fark: [Interesting] American chopper pilots in Afghanistan may have mistaken scores of sheep for Taliban fighters |
| 02:17.33 | Shirik | rofl |
| 02:18.25 | WobWork | that reminds me of the bomber flight sim the aussies had |
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| 02:23.54 | WobWork | http://www.snopes.com/humor/nonsense/kangaroo.asp |
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| 02:55.02 | cbreak | looks like the british censor wikipedia. |
| 02:59.52 | Shirik | Scion of Eternity hits you for 20k, 30k resisted, 100k overkill |
| 03:00.19 | cbreak | ok... |
| 03:00.26 | cbreak | maths ftw |
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| 03:13.13 | Thunder_Child | guess you need about 20x more hp there Shirik |
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| 03:57.09 | Thunder_Child | you know, i never saw tim allen as the cokehead type |
| 03:58.56 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, epic fail in the hills |
| 03:59.05 | Shirik | Tem, epic fail in the valleys |
| 03:59.20 | Tem | there is nothing to lead me to any other quest hubs after I do all the stuff at Amberlodge |
| 04:00.08 | Tem | there's a really cool story line with Drakuru that leads me into ZD, though |
| 04:06.41 | kd3 | after amberpine you should be going to the worgen camp and the vrykul camp, then you'll get started on the furbolg stuff while heading up to westfall brigade |
| 04:08.18 | Wobin | So... after Dragonblight... Grizzly Hills or ZulDrak? |
| 04:08.27 | cbreak | Grizzly |
| 04:11.49 | NightHawkTheSane | whatever you want? :P |
| 04:11.50 | Tem | ZulDrak |
| 04:11.58 | Tem | ZD >>> GH |
| 04:12.15 | NightHawkTheSane | personally, i'd agree, but again.. whatever youw ant :P |
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| 04:19.39 | cbreak | I think the places have different level ranges |
| 04:19.50 | NightHawkTheSane | slghtly, yeah |
| 04:20.07 | NightHawkTheSane | but usually by the time you're done with dragonblight, you're ~75ish, which is good enoough for ZD |
| 04:20.38 | cbreak | I started in ZD with level 72 |
| 04:20.42 | cbreak | herbing only though |
| 04:21.02 | cbreak | strangely, the herbs there were more appropriate for my level range than in the fjords |
| 04:21.26 | Arrowmaster | if your one to actually read quest text and you like quest chains for the lore deffently GH first |
| 04:21.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: then you're broken, aside from the Fjord I found the hills to be the most linear zone I've seen |
| 04:22.00 | Wobin | I'm 74 atm |
| 04:22.06 | Wobin | but that's only cause I'm a DK |
| 04:22.14 | Wobin | and could solo most of the 3mans in DB >< |
| 04:22.18 | Tem | the fjord wasn't linear either |
| 04:22.23 | Tem | but he fjord was awesome |
| 04:22.33 | Wobin | I did BT |
| 04:22.37 | Arrowmaster | i did both |
| 04:22.47 | ScytheBlade1 | tbh, if you read the quests and didn't do them the second they were available |
| 04:22.47 | Wobin | cause zomg Wrathgate |
| 04:22.47 | Tem | dragonblight was _awesome_ |
| 04:22.47 | Arrowmaster | but i didnt find fjord that great |
| 04:22.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Those two were amazingly linear |
| 04:23.02 | Wobin | can you start Wrathgate from HF? |
| 04:23.06 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 04:23.07 | Cide | I didn't like dragonblight |
| 04:23.16 | Cide | except for wrathgate, of course |
| 04:23.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Playing through the hills on beta, I did the hills very quickly and it was incredibly linear just from a bit of guessing where each quest would take me |
| 04:23.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i like dragonblight more than hills, in terms of quest flow |
| 04:28.33 | Cide | hills is.. eh |
| 04:28.33 | Cide | it's beautiful |
| 04:28.34 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, no doubt. |
| 04:28.34 | Cide | but there are tons of quests where you have to travel quite a distance |
| 04:28.34 | cbreak | my favorite zone is still duskwood. |
| 04:28.34 | Cide | and then back, and there again, and back, and there again... repeat |
| 04:28.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ............. duskewood? |
| 04:28.34 | Wobin | The Nagrand of WotLK? |
| 04:28.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: yeah, horde side you're going back and forth a LOT |
| 04:28.34 | ScytheBlade1 | The KING of RUNNING EVERYWHERE? |
| 04:28.34 | Wobin | duskwood? |
| 04:28.34 | ScytheBlade1 | *duskwood |
| 04:28.34 | Wobin | TERRIBLE corpse runs |
| 04:28.34 | cbreak | starting place of the missing diplomat and the stalvan quest line |
| 04:28.34 | Arrowmaster | i think i dinged 77 in hills so i did most of it with a flying mount |
| 04:28.34 | Cide | I'm 74 in hills... |
| 04:28.34 | Cide | on a dk |
| 04:28.35 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i didn't do hills on my shaman until 80 |
| 04:28.35 | Arrowmaster | i did BT, HF, DB, GH and dinged 77 in hills |
| 04:28.38 | Arrowmaster | then i did ZD, SB and dinged 80 in basin |
| 04:28.38 | Arrowmaster | and i got the achievements for loremaster in that order so i cleared each zone out of quests |
| 04:28.38 | Taladris | I dinged 80 without doing SB, SP or Icecrown |
| 04:28.38 | NightHawkTheSane | same. i did bt, hf, db, zd, and dinged 80 at the end of zd. |
| 04:28.38 | Arrowmaster | i did like 1 instance though |
| 04:28.38 | Taladris | I instanced when I had all the quests for the instance. |
| 04:28.38 | Hirsute | ~botsnack |
| 04:28.38 | purl | :), Hirsute |
| 04:28.54 | Arrowmaster | was kinda funny, after i upgraded my account i played for maybe 12 hours then i didnt login for 3 days, i leveled to 80 almost entirely with rested xp |
| 04:30.22 | Wobin | I've tried UK, Nexus, and Old Kingdom |
| 04:30.26 | Wobin | I don't like any of them =( |
| 04:30.45 | Wobin | Nexus esp |
| 04:30.58 | Wobin | of course, with normal, there aren't many worthwhile drops |
| 04:34.01 | Codayus_ | I loved AN. Didn't find it confusing at all. :-p |
| 04:34.27 | Codayus_ | Nexus was fine; reminded my of the TK instances but less boring. I admit, that's faint praise. |
| 04:35.14 | Codayus_ | Haven't done any other instances yet. It's crunch time at work, so not getting much playtime in. QQ. |
| 04:50.53 | Wobin | Nexus was fine in layout |
| 04:51.09 | Wobin | but terrible to tank |
| 04:51.41 | Wobin | AN is the ridiculously short one, isn't it? |
| 05:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 05:02.33 | ScytheBlade1 | So our OT on Malyhos |
| 05:02.42 | ScytheBlade1 | s/yh/yg/ |
| 05:02.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Made a macro |
| 05:03.00 | ScytheBlade1 | "/target spark; /cast Death Grip" (taunt) |
| 05:03.03 | ScytheBlade1 | What he actually wrote |
| 05:03.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Was /target Malygos |
| 05:03.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Forcing Malygos to turn |
| 05:03.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Breathe on the raid |
| 05:03.21 | ScytheBlade1 | and kill most of us |
| 05:03.24 | AnduinLothar | gg |
| 05:03.26 | NightHawkTheSane | two words: hilarity ensued. |
| 05:03.31 | ScytheBlade1 | correct |
| 05:03.42 | Wobin | well I can see how he could have done that |
| 05:03.50 | Wobin | all those letters are like.. right next to each other =P |
| 05:05.07 | AnduinLothar | this boss is gonna fuck me up. my keybinds always dissapear after i've been mounted |
| 05:05.11 | Antiarc | Sartharion with drakes up is an interesting fight |
| 05:05.13 | AnduinLothar | vehical* |
| 05:05.23 | Antiarc | I did 1 drake up with a semi-pug, and it was significantly harder than no-drakes |
| 05:05.36 | Antiarc | Could probably get 2 without major major issues, but 3 is gonna be rough. |
| 05:06.20 | Hjalte | My guild master is convinced we can do three drakes, although we just wiped an entire evening only ever killing 1 dragon, then wiping. |
| 05:08.23 | Codayus_ | Wobin: I meant AN/AK together, was thinking AN was the instance hub. but yeah, AN is the short one. |
| 05:08.55 | Wobin | hm |
| 05:08.59 | Wobin | I wonder why I dodm |
| 05:09.03 | Wobin | didn't get the achievement |
| 05:09.06 | Wobin | since I've run both instances |
| 05:11.31 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: yeah that's why I configured macroon before |
| 05:16.27 | AnduinLothar | and my unit frame gets pwned too |
| 05:16.38 | ScytheBlade1 | glad I updated today |
| 05:17.41 | AnduinLothar | good think i'd already done that practice quest |
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| 05:21.02 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl, that explains a lot |
| 05:21.06 | ScytheBlade1 | My minimap rotation is bugged |
| 05:21.13 | AnduinLothar | wow... |
| 05:21.16 | ScytheBlade1 | oh wow |
| 05:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | All at once |
| 05:21.19 | AnduinLothar | fail |
| 05:21.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That was awesome |
| 05:21.41 | Shirik|Ecole | "Hi, I want a #10" "Sorry sir we're on our late night menu, we don't have #10" "or 11... or 9.... or 1..." "Okay well what do you have?" "We have anything from 2-8" "Okay I'll have a #3" "And what to drink?" "I'll have a sprite" "Sorry sir we don't have sprite" |
| 05:21.48 | Shirik|Ecole | like seriously, do they have nothing at midnight? |
| 05:21.52 | Shirik|Ecole | It's not like midnight is that late, either |
| 05:22.29 | AnduinLothar | how do they not have soda late. soda is liek free money |
| 05:22.33 | Shirik|Ecole | not to mention I finally got through, and they didn't even give me a straw |
| 05:22.59 | Thunder_Child | uhhh...remove the lid |
| 05:23.07 | Shirik|Ecole | I did |
| 05:23.09 | Shirik|Ecole | but that's not the point! |
| 05:23.17 | Thunder_Child | what is the point? |
| 05:23.25 | Thunder_Child | complaining? |
| 05:23.26 | Shirik|Ecole | Like obviously they have half the things to worry about since they don't even have a menu |
| 05:23.33 | Shirik|Ecole | And they can't even give me a damn straw? |
| 05:23.46 | Shirik|Ecole | Hey, at least I'm not complaining about the piece of cheese my guildmate was complaining about |
| 05:23.48 | AnduinLothar | maybe they dotn ahve straws |
| 05:23.55 | Thunder_Child | this is a fast food joint, wtf do you expect? |
| 05:24.02 | Shirik|Ecole | food |
| 05:24.06 | Thunder_Child | you got it |
| 05:24.12 | Thunder_Child | you dont expect a straw |
| 05:24.12 | Shirik|Ecole | without a way to consume it |
| 05:24.25 | Thunder_Child | that isnt the only way though |
| 05:24.32 | Shirik|Ecole | what if I were in the car trying to drink |
| 05:24.53 | Thunder_Child | it's not like they sold you a hamburger and didnt give you a mouth |
| 05:25.05 | Wobin | I can totally see a lolcat |
| 05:25.17 | Shirik|Ecole | you know |
| 05:25.19 | Wobin | I haz no mouth and I must skreem |
| 05:25.24 | Shirik|Ecole | I just thought of a great business strategy |
| 05:25.29 | Shirik|Ecole | how much do you think straws cost? |
| 05:25.33 | Shirik|Ecole | $0.01 maybe? |
| 05:25.36 | Thunder_Child | .001 per? |
| 05:25.43 | Shirik|Ecole | ok we'll say $0.001 |
| 05:25.47 | Wobin | "How can you consume your burger Mr Shirik... if you have no... mouth..." |
| 05:25.59 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Wobin |
| 05:25.59 | purl | strangles Wobin with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 05:26.19 | Shirik|Ecole | Now, let's say we "accidentally" didn't give 1% of our customers a straw |
| 05:26.33 | Shirik|Ecole | We'll take the conservative estimate of 1000 customers per day, with 1000 stores nationwide |
| 05:26.40 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> 1000 * 1000 * .001 |
| 05:26.41 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: 1000 |
| 05:26.47 | Shirik|Ecole | that's $1000/day |
| 05:26.56 | Wobin | Shirik. One word: Distribution? |
| 05:27.12 | Shirik|Ecole | huh? |
| 05:27.13 | Wobin | How the hell are you going to get -your- straws to those outlets? |
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| 05:27.27 | Wobin | without incurring more than 1k a day =P |
| 05:27.33 | Wobin | in logistics |
| 05:27.33 | tpopcaz | anyone had any trouble installing wow? |
| 05:27.34 | Shirik|Ecole | no |
| 05:27.42 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm saying, if I were the CEO of McDonalds |
| 05:27.57 | Shirik|Ecole | and I told my employees to "accidentally" forget to give 1% of customers a straw |
| 05:27.58 | Wobin | You would cut costs by not supplying items? |
| 05:28.01 | Shirik|Ecole | that would save me $1000/day |
| 05:28.05 | Wobin | Don't worry |
| 05:28.17 | Shirik|Ecole | tpopcaz: Can't say I have |
| 05:28.19 | Wobin | any asian that came along would fix that little problem you have with excess 'free' items =P |
| 05:28.20 | Shirik|Ecole | what's the problem? |
| 05:28.37 | Shirik|Ecole | THAT'S IT |
| 05:28.46 | Shirik|Ecole | We can start advertising straws as toys for happy meals |
| 05:28.55 | Shirik|Ecole | that way (1) we don't have to spend money on toys |
| 05:29.01 | Wobin | I used to take the straws to twist and flick them |
| 05:29.05 | Shirik|Ecole | and (2) People that DON'T have kids still have to purchase happy meals to get their straw |
| 05:31.05 | Shirik|Ecole | I think straws are save for children under 3, also, so we don't have to have that secondary supply of under 3 toys |
| 05:31.22 | Thunder_Child | thats wont make them very happy Shirik |
| 05:31.32 | Shirik|Ecole | Pop quiz for any CS guys: What is a Dijkstra implementation with regards to movement algorithms? |
| 05:31.37 | Thunder_Child | ergo, not a happy mean |
| 05:31.54 | Shirik|Ecole | one of my teams sent me this function that says "function Dijkstra(Graph, source)" with no explanation of what it is |
| 05:32.22 | Thunder_Child | ~wiki dijkstra |
| 05:33.18 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah um |
| 05:33.23 | Shirik|Ecole | I kinda read the article on wikipedia |
| 05:33.27 | Shirik|Ecole | it didn't make much.... bye |
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| 05:33.50 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: it's a pathfinder |
| 05:33.56 | Thunder_Child | *Sigh* that was fil |
| 05:33.57 | Thunder_Child | fail |
| 05:34.04 | Shirik|Ecole | so as I was saying |
| 05:34.18 | Shirik|Ecole | I tried reading the wikipedia article on it but it didn't really make much sense to me, as are most CS wikipedia articles |
| 05:35.14 | Shirik|Ecole | HAHAHHAA |
| 05:38.37 | Shirik|Ecole | omg, I have to take a screenshot of this |
| 05:38.37 | Shirik|Ecole | go take a look at the pseudocode at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dijkstra%27s_algorithm |
| 05:38.37 | Cide | what about it? |
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| 05:38.37 | Cide | hi shirik2 |
| 05:38.37 | Shirik2 | Now, look at this screenshot |
| 05:38.37 | Thunder_Child | whats with the := |
| 05:38.37 | Shirik2 | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/d61e8372cc709cf9354bbff1000ef20c.jpg |
| 05:38.37 | Shirik2 | notice any... similarities? |
| 05:38.39 | Cide | haha |
| 05:38.39 | Cide | that's pro |
| 05:38.39 | Thunder_Child | why rewrite something when it's already done? |
| 05:38.39 | Hirsute | Shirik: How many different nicks do you need? ;) |
| 05:38.39 | Cide | I don't get why you'd use Dijkstra's over A* |
| 05:38.39 | Shirik|Ecole | one for each computer, Hirsute |
| 05:38.40 | Cide | unless you for some reason can't provide a heuristic |
| 05:38.40 | Thunder_Child | remember people |
| 05:38.40 | Thunder_Child | ~laziness |
| 05:39.22 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 05:39.22 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide, I didn't do this section of the report :) |
| 05:39.22 | Thunder_Child | or not |
| 05:39.22 | Shirik|Ecole | purl is really slow today |
| 05:39.25 | Cide | honestly though |
| 05:39.25 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: purl is being really, really slow today. |
| 05:39.25 | Hirsute | Except when larting certain peopl. |
| 05:39.25 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 05:39.25 | Cide | A* is a lot better in most cases |
| 05:39.25 | Thunder_Child | poor poor purl |
| 05:39.25 | Hirsute | s/peopl/people/ |
| 05:39.25 | Shirik|Ecole | anyway, Hirsute, Shirik is at home |
| 05:39.38 | Shirik|Ecole | Shirik|Ecole is my working computer, and Shirik2 was an embedded computer |
| 05:39.38 | Wobin | "restriccion"? |
| 05:39.38 | Shirik|Ecole | (my target) |
| 05:39.38 | Hirsute | Ah. |
| 05:39.38 | Shirik|Ecole | Wobin: They're from... |
| 05:39.38 | Thunder_Child | prolly becuse said people are cached Hirsute from use |
| 05:39.38 | Shirik|Ecole | I think they're the french team |
| 05:39.38 | Wobin | ah |
| 05:39.38 | Shirik|Ecole | so I don't blame them for any english errors |
| 05:39.38 | Wobin | wow, purl is slow tonight |
| 05:39.38 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: Definitely possible. Or purl could just hate those people. |
| 05:39.43 | Thunder_Child | ~ping |
| 05:39.46 | purl | ~pong |
| 05:39.54 | MentalPower|Work | lol |
| 05:39.55 | Thunder_Child | 6 seconds |
| 05:39.59 | MentalPower|Work | Thunder_Child beat me to it |
| 05:40.00 | Thunder_Child | err..5 |
| 05:40.08 | Hirsute | Notice MentalPower's is still waiting for a response. |
| 05:40.15 | Thunder_Child | he got one |
| 05:40.18 | MentalPower|Work | and it won't do mine since it was right after Thunder_Child |
| 05:40.20 | Thunder_Child | DONT DO IT SO DAMN SOON |
| 05:40.21 | MentalPower|Work | it sent me a PM |
| 05:40.23 | Thunder_Child | was the response |
| 05:40.24 | Hirsute | Aaah, okay. |
| 05:40.39 | Hirsute | ~botsnack |
| 05:40.39 | purl | aw, gee, Hirsute |
| 05:40.45 | Hirsute | I like purl, it's spunky. |
| 05:40.48 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah, LAG is the french team |
| 05:41.15 | Shirik|Ecole | We have people from Cz, Fr, Us, and.... something else |
| 05:41.47 | Shirik|Ecole | and Pl |
| 05:42.01 | MentalPower|Work | hmm... you know a machine is asking for more ram when the windows screensaver (windows logo jumping all over the place) is just half a logo (left side only) after about 10mins |
| 05:42.31 | MentalPower|Work | ofc the computer runs 5x720p monitors with just 256MB of RAM |
| 05:42.36 | Shirik|Ecole | usually I know it's asking for more ram when it says I'm out of ram |
| 05:43.06 | MentalPower|Work | I'm just waiting for it to die |
| 05:43.41 | MentalPower|Work | so that the bean counters authorize the purchase of a new one over more ram |
| 05:43.46 | MentalPower|Work | friggin rambus |
| 05:44.01 | Shirik|Ecole | bean counters? |
| 05:44.06 | Shirik|Ecole | auctioneer runs your computers? |
| 05:44.11 | MentalPower|Work | finance dept |
| 05:44.20 | MentalPower|Work | lol |
| 05:45.02 | MentalPower|Work | the beast took 6+ hrs to install XP SP3 |
| 05:47.09 | MentalPower|Work | anyways time to go home |
| 05:48.21 | Hirsute | ~seen totalpackage |
| 05:49.03 | purl | i haven't seen 'totalpackage', Hirsute |
| 05:49.03 | Shirik|Ecole | who still uses rambus |
| 05:49.03 | Shirik|Ecole | wow |
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| 05:55.37 | Shirik|Ecole | wow, IT |
| 05:55.38 | Shirik|Ecole | that's pro |
| 05:55.52 | Shirik|Ecole | They set up one of the computers in this lab so that it boots to the network before it boots to hard drive |
| 05:56.01 | Shirik|Ecole | so every time you start it up, it tries to reinstall windows |
| 05:57.20 | Thunder_Child | pixie? |
| 06:03.57 | Shirik|Ecole | pixie? |
| 06:04.15 | AnduinLothar | WTB more 25man raids |
| 06:04.24 | Shirik|Ecole | we're out of 25 man raids :( |
| 06:04.35 | AnduinLothar | they were stupid easy too |
| 06:05.16 | AnduinLothar | pretty dumb going from Sunwell fucking impossible, then to malygose 1 night kill |
| 06:05.54 | Shirik|Ecole | they are admittedly not exactly easy fights |
| 06:06.03 | Shirik|Ecole | but as long as you have people that can pay attention |
| 06:06.05 | Shirik|Ecole | they're not hard |
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| 06:06.58 | AnduinLothar | not needing FrR to down safron in heroic was just silly... why give us all that resist gear craftables if we dont need them |
| 06:07.16 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i meant PXE |
| 06:07.22 | Thunder_Child | common slang is pixie |
| 06:08.04 | Shirik|Ecole | yah |
| 06:08.20 | Shirik|Ecole | I think they do that to help image the PCs |
| 06:08.32 | Shirik|Ecole | but it would be nice if they configured them properly so that it only happens when IT is dicking with stuff |
| 06:08.34 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 06:08.36 | Shirik|Ecole | not when we're trying to use them |
| 06:08.55 | Thunder_Child | just hit f12 to go to the boot menu and sleect the HD |
| 06:09.08 | Shirik|Ecole | ya that's what I did |
| 06:15.45 | Shirik|Ecole | Here you go Cide |
| 06:15.46 | Shirik|Ecole | CS question |
| 06:16.04 | Shirik|Ecole | ( (P -> Q) & (Q -> R) ) -> (P -> R) |
| 06:16.08 | Shirik|Ecole | Is there a name for that law? |
| 06:16.17 | Cide | yes |
| 06:16.18 | Cide | uh |
| 06:16.19 | AnduinLothar | transitivity |
| 06:16.22 | Cide | that |
| 06:16.24 | Shirik|Ecole | thanks |
| 06:18.34 | MentalPower | Shirik|Ecole: apparently we do |
| 06:18.43 | MentalPower | we still ahve some machines that use the stuff |
| 06:19.33 | Cide | lol |
| 06:19.38 | Cide | the harrison jones quest in grizzly hills |
| 06:19.41 | Cide | where you escort him to safety |
| 06:19.53 | Cide | the completion message is "Harrison has escorted you to safety." |
| 06:20.13 | Shirik|Ecole | yes |
| 06:20.15 | Shirik|Ecole | it's awesome no? |
| 06:20.25 | Cide | yep |
| 06:20.57 | Shirik|Ecole | I still like when I was questing with my friend, and we found cogwheel and I was like "omg it's cogwheel" and he was like "You know this chick?" and he didn't believe me |
| 06:21.25 | Shirik|Ecole | a few hours later we found zootfizzle and I was like "Omg zoot too!" and he was like "Yeah right, you don't know that many people" and then zootfizzle started exclaiming about the cogs |
| 06:21.29 | Shirik|Ecole | then he finally believed me :) |
| 06:22.08 | Shirik|Ecole | I could have just directed him to the UI/Macros forums but that would take out all the fun |
| 06:22.26 | Shirik|Ecole | all right, netbeans 6.5 on a 5 year old POS |
| 06:22.28 | Shirik|Ecole | this should be fun |
| 06:24.20 | cog|away | lol |
| 06:30.48 | Thunder_Child | could be worse |
| 06:32.32 | Thunder_Child | i worked on a vaio today with 32mb ram |
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| 07:51.11 | Amarande | G'evening :) |
| 07:51.22 | Amarande | good grief. is there really an encounter for which stacking fire res is that important in wotlk? |
| 07:51.55 | Amarande | I've been seeing the pattern for enchant cloak with +20 fire res go for 5000g+ on AH on my server |
| 07:52.18 | Amarande | which I think is the most I've EVER seen an item go for as a serious price |
| 07:54.04 | Amarande | also: are death knights supposed to be able to make robe of the archmage and robe of the void, or is that a bug? |
| 08:03.59 | Shirik|Ecole | I feel special now |
| 08:04.20 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm reading documentation on this one function that I want to use, and I come across this line. "Most programmers will never find a use for this method." |
| 08:05.01 | Amarande | Shirik: which one? |
| 08:05.36 | Shirik|Ecole | here's the line |
| 08:05.37 | Shirik|Ecole | facing = Facing.values()[(facing.ordinal() + count) % 4]; |
| 08:05.52 | Shirik|Ecole | and the function is enum.ordinal() |
| 08:06.13 | Shirik|Ecole | http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/java/lang/Enum.html#ordinal() |
| 08:06.23 | Shirik|Ecole | "Most programmers will have no use for this method. It is designed for use by sophisticated enum-based data structures, such as EnumSet and EnumMap. " |
| 08:06.43 | Shirik|Ecole | I literally was able to change about 60 lines of code into 3 by using this |
| 08:07.08 | Shirik|Ecole | I had to figure out which direction I was facing, given that I was told I turned either 90 degrees left or right, in terms of N/S/E/W |
| 08:10.50 | Amarande | ah, I'm not too familiar with java heh |
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| 08:23.52 | krka | Shirik|Ecole: should you really use an enum if you depend on the ordering of the values? |
| 08:24.39 | Shirik|Ecole | krka: The documentation says the order is pretty strictly defined :) |
| 08:25.33 | krka | yes, but it seems that since your application is dependant on the ordering, that they shouldn't be enums in the first place |
| 08:26.39 | Shirik|Ecole | what would you prefer, integers with final constants? |
| 08:26.51 | Shirik|Ecole | that seems to me the definition of an enum |
| 08:27.38 | krka | not really |
| 08:31.00 | Shirik|Ecole | I admit it is not generally a good idea to work with the integral values of an enumeration type, however I think this is a valid case for it. I don't see a better alternative |
| 08:31.17 | Shirik|Ecole | I will admit I did have to reorder the enum to get this to work |
| 08:32.53 | krka | using an int directly seems like a better approach |
| 08:35.00 | Shirik|Ecole | That would remove type safety |
| 08:35.24 | krka | now you just have the illusion of type safety :P |
| 08:35.25 | Shirik|Ecole | I would now have setDirection(int) instead of setDirection(Facing), which to me looks like "ok int, that must be in degrees" |
| 08:35.36 | krka | a cleaner approach would be to create a new class for it |
| 08:36.01 | Shirik|Ecole | oh well, I need to finish this program in 6 hours so not really caring how it looks :P |
| 08:36.15 | krka | would be nice if java added units |
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| 09:13.26 | Shirik|Ecole | you know what, screw google chrome |
| 09:13.32 | Cidan | Shirik|Ecole: question |
| 09:13.35 | Shirik|Ecole | they're all like "lolol site not trusted, bad site" |
| 09:13.37 | Cidan | you would know this |
| 09:13.43 | Shirik|Ecole | why are you up at 4 AM |
| 09:13.46 | Cidan | when two talents modify spell damage |
| 09:14.01 | Arrowmaster | its additive |
| 09:14.04 | Cidan | are percents additive? |
| 09:14.05 | Cidan | okay |
| 09:14.21 | Arrowmaster | talents are additive, buffs and debuffs are multiplicitive |
| 09:14.42 | Arrowmaster | talents like demonic sacrafice are not additive ofcourse |
| 09:14.54 | Corrodias | is Code Geass humorous or straight? or a little of both? |
| 09:15.04 | Arrowmaster | both |
| 09:15.05 | krka | in which order are additive and multiplicative stuff aplied? |
| 09:15.08 | Arrowmaster | mostly epic story |
| 09:15.23 | Arrowmaster | krka: additive frist |
| 09:15.37 | Corrodias | instead of "straight" i guess i should say "dramatic" |
| 09:16.03 | krka | is that a quest line? |
| 09:16.06 | Corrodias | the things i read about it on tvtropes make it sound quite amusing, but a preview of the first ep doesn't hold that up |
| 09:16.24 | Cidan | Code Geass is pretty good. |
| 09:16.42 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: dramatic then, if you mean dramatic like heroes and not dramatic like a soap opera |
| 09:17.07 | Arrowmaster | just dont watch the dubs |
| 09:17.23 | Corrodias | you can trust me not to :) |
| 09:17.37 | Arrowmaster | bastards even removed all the pizza hut ad placements |
| 09:17.40 | Shirik|Ecole | yey, I found a bug in google chrome |
| 09:17.57 | Cidan | Shirik|Ecole: HORRAY |
| 09:18.01 | Cidan | I still use Chrome |
| 09:18.25 | Shirik|Ecole | it was being all mean to me and putting a big red X through my https symbol |
| 09:18.39 | Shirik|Ecole | then I was like "fu" and clicked quit, restarted, and now it's happy |
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| 09:19.08 | Shirik|Ecole | it appears half of the program checks CAs every time you connect, and half of it only checks on startup |
| 09:20.41 | Cidan | also |
| 09:20.46 | Cidan | I'm up because I'm coding, and I can't sleep |
| 09:20.50 | Cidan | and I'm talking to my girlfriend |
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| 09:22.39 | bleeter | a bug? in chrome? BUT THATS GOOGLE CODE IT IS GODSENT NO BUGS! |
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| 09:23.12 | Shirik|Ecole | I was getting some strange messages on my phone today |
| 09:23.30 | Cidan | let me guess |
| 09:23.52 | Cidan | your factory warranty on your car has run out |
| 09:23.56 | Shirik|Ecole | ROFL |
| 09:23.56 | Cidan | and you should totally get this new one. |
| 09:24.09 | Shirik|Ecole | no, but I have been getting that on my voice mail every so often lately |
| 09:24.13 | Shirik|Ecole | but no these were text messages |
| 09:24.14 | krka | it would be a shame if anything were to happen to it |
| 09:24.19 | Shirik|Ecole | "Hey baby" and something about "god son" and what not |
| 09:24.22 | Cidan | what |
| 09:24.30 | Shirik|Ecole | and then the same number called; I didn't pick up |
| 09:24.36 | Cidan | What's your cell, anyway? I need to put it on my G1 |
| 09:24.38 | Shirik|Ecole | I was able to trace the number to orlando but that's it |
| 09:24.41 | Cidan | msg me it |
| 09:25.55 | Shirik|Ecole | I think it's publicly posted on wowi somewhere, lol |
| 09:26.50 | Cidan | also, which e-mail do you use as your primary? |
| 09:27.16 | Shirik|Ecole | um |
| 09:27.21 | Shirik|Ecole | not my cox address |
| 09:27.25 | Shirik|Ecole | which recently got suspended |
| 09:27.28 | Cidan | lol |
| 09:27.38 | Cidan | tg.skullshot, or, something else? |
| 09:27.53 | Shirik|Ecole | eh, I really don't use that much; I only use that for moderation messages from wowi :) |
| 09:28.08 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't actively check it, only when I'm at my desk and it pops up on google talk |
| 09:28.22 | Shirik|Ecole | delbu9c1@erau.edu preferably |
| 09:28.42 | Cidan | k, now, cell, jerkface, D= |
| 09:28.46 | Cidan | plz |
| 09:28.55 | Shirik|Ecole | I already sent you a message |
| 09:28.58 | Shirik|Ecole | unless your number's changed |
| 09:29.08 | Shirik|Ecole | If your number did change... uh... I just sent a really strange message to someone |
| 09:29.09 | Cidan | uh |
| 09:29.16 | Kalroth | lol |
| 09:29.16 | Cidan | what... did you send it to |
| 09:29.17 | Cidan | Oh God |
| 09:29.21 | Cidan | You didn't send it to Nancy |
| 09:29.22 | Cidan | did you? |
| 09:29.34 | Cidan | Please tell me |
| 09:29.36 | Shirik|Ecole | ending in 9273? |
| 09:29.42 | Cidan | no, whew |
| 09:29.42 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 09:30.25 | Cidan | I was about to say |
| 09:30.35 | Cidan | woo, all I need is my ex going, "Who the fuck is this?" |
| 09:30.43 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 09:30.50 | Shirik|Ecole | did you get the message yet? |
| 09:31.13 | Shirik|Ecole | When you do get it, I think you'll laugh even more about that possibility |
| 09:31.16 | Cidan | no, I just PM'd you my new, and perm cell. |
| 09:31.30 | Shirik|Ecole | oh so I did send it to the wrong number? |
| 09:31.35 | Cidan | You sure did |
| 09:31.40 | Cidan | But who, I don't know. |
| 09:31.45 | Shirik|Ecole | great |
| 09:31.51 | Cidan | enjoy |
| 09:32.44 | Shirik|Ecole | resent to that number; it is going to be interesting to see if that message is returned to me with a "wtf" |
| 09:32.50 | Cidan | ahahahahhaha |
| 09:32.59 | Cidan | That, would have been |
| 09:33.00 | Cidan | so |
| 09:33.01 | Cidan | funny |
| 09:33.37 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm thinking about getting a storm |
| 09:33.53 | Cidan | no |
| 09:33.55 | Cidan | it blows |
| 09:33.57 | Cidan | hard, really hard |
| 09:34.03 | Cidan | everyone and their mother is slamming it |
| 09:34.04 | Shirik|Ecole | my brother has one |
| 09:34.09 | Shirik|Ecole | really? |
| 09:34.09 | Cidan | your brother is fail |
| 09:34.12 | Cidan | yeah |
| 09:34.15 | Shirik|Ecole | yes he is |
| 09:34.17 | Cidan | it's getting horrible reviews |
| 09:37.16 | krka | wtf is a storm? |
| 09:37.23 | Cidan | crackberry |
| 09:37.40 | Cidan | I prefer the G1. |
| 09:37.52 | Cidan | the entire dev kit is just like the WoW API, I swear. |
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| 09:38.12 | Wulf_ | hello |
| 09:38.16 | Cidan | hi |
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| 09:41.30 | Corrodias | damn these people on thepiratebay complaining about downloading at ONLY 37 KB/s |
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| 09:41.55 | smcn | back in your day etc? |
| 09:41.55 | Corrodias | probably the same people who will stop sharing the file as soon as it's complete |
| 09:42.09 | Corrodias | YES by god, my bytes travelled through snowstorms, uphill both ways |
| 09:43.19 | Wulf_ | when I move my mouse cursor above some object in the world, e.g. a readable book, I get a tooltip with its name. How to get this tooltip or object id in a lua script? |
| 09:47.06 | clad|sleep | there is no object id |
| 09:47.18 | clad|sleep | and to get the text from the tooltip, you wait until its displayed and then get the text from it |
| 09:48.01 | Wulf_ | cladhaire: I've seen the same numbers for the same objects on thottbot and wowhead |
| 09:48.35 | Wulf_ | e.g. http://thottbot.com/o192713 |
| 09:49.48 | cladhaire | yes, and they are NOT obtainable in game |
| 09:50.11 | cladhaire | unless UnitGUID("mouseover") returns anything, which I suspect it does not. |
| 09:52.43 | Wulf_ | so, books are units? |
| 09:52.48 | cladhaire | no, not in the least |
| 09:52.51 | Wulf_ | ok :) |
| 09:52.59 | cladhaire | i'm saying that's the only way you'd possibly get anything |
| 09:53.08 | cladhaire | people experienced being able to get GUIDs for things liek mage portals |
| 09:53.10 | cladhaire | so its the best I can think of |
| 09:53.18 | cladhaire | those numbers come from the data-mined cache files |
| 10:00.12 | Arrowmaster | actually most all of thottbots numbers are just completely made up by thottbot |
| 10:01.14 | Wulf_ | if I can't get the ingame, it's ok. |
| 10:01.57 | Tekkub | they have a pattent pending on their pull-it-out-of-someone's-ass system |
| 10:02.44 | Wulf_ | so, how can I read the tooltip? is there an event, when I move the cursor above the item? |
| 10:04.53 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:05.40 | Wulf_ | which one? :) |
| 10:06.04 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember the exact name |
| 10:06.11 | Arrowmaster | but it has mouseover in the name |
| 10:07.06 | Wulf_ | UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT? |
| 10:07.20 | Wulf_ | well.. I'll find out |
| 10:07.27 | Arrowmaster | that might be it, dont remember if it fires for none units |
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| 10:12.39 | Wulf_ | it's CURSOR_UPDATE |
| 10:13.39 | Nom- | clad|away: A lot of that data is available in the data files iirc |
| 10:15.09 | Nom- | typically they would extract that data (ie. object id's) from the cache wdb files |
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| 10:19.16 | Tekkub | *s |
| 10:21.54 | djsynthe | feelin frisky tonight huh tek? |
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| 10:33.35 | clad|away | Nom-: yes, that's what I said. |
| 10:34.00 | Shirik|Ecole | woot! |
| 10:34.33 | Shirik|Ecole | An unexpected error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION in Java VM (C) at ... blah blah blah |
| 10:34.37 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm too good for Java |
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| 10:36.11 | Nom- | oh, my bad... you did too |
| 10:40.14 | Wulf_ | how can I get the name/whatever of the current cursor? e.g. "hand","cogwheel" or "readingglass"? |
| 10:41.07 | cladhaire | afaik there is no way to get what the cursor is currently displaying |
| 10:42.18 | Wulf_ | okay. then thanks for all the info |
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| 10:44.15 | Nom- | glassfish ftw |
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| 11:11.10 | AnduinLothar | how do i duplicate <Color r="1.0" g="1.0" b="1.0"/> in lua for a texture? |
| 11:12.42 | AnduinLothar | SetVertexColor doesn't seem to work unless i set a texture |
| 11:12.56 | cladhaire | use :SetTexture(r, g, b) |
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| 11:14.26 | AnduinLothar | hmmm |
| 11:15.11 | AnduinLothar | ok i guess wiki has that, but http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture/SetTexture doesn't |
| 11:15.27 | cladhaire | so edit the page, or I can do it later |
| 11:15.37 | cladhaire | not everything in our API was perfect, nor did we ever claim it to be ;-) |
| 11:15.49 | AnduinLothar | how would i edit it? |
| 11:15.55 | cladhaire | login and click the "edit" button |
| 11:15.59 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 11:16.11 | AnduinLothar | didn't know it was editable |
| 11:16.12 | cladhaire | but I can take care of it |
| 11:16.19 | cladhaire | the entire site is a wiki |
| 11:16.25 | AnduinLothar | news to me :) |
| 11:17.30 | AnduinLothar | couldn't find it cause i was lookign for soemthing with color int he name |
| 11:17.49 | cladhaire | aye |
| 11:19.04 | AnduinLothar | SetColor would be intuitive, well if you know the xml anyway. i guess i'm in the minority there |
| 11:19.30 | AnduinLothar | thanks tho. works |
| 11:19.38 | cladhaire | page updated |
| 11:20.02 | cladhaire | although I need to come up with a better way to describe functions with drastically different alternate signatures like that |
| 11:20.31 | AnduinLothar | comma nightmare, ya |
| 11:20.42 | cladhaire | no i mean the lua table |
| 11:21.05 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 11:21.08 | cladhaire | http://pastey.net/103918 |
| 11:21.20 | cladhaire | just needs a construct that makes it nicer |
| 11:21.35 | AnduinLothar | oh is it using lua to format the text? |
| 11:21.45 | cladhaire | the entire website is written in Lua |
| 11:21.50 | cladhaire | and the API is stored in Lua tables |
| 11:21.51 | AnduinLothar | interesting |
| 11:22.23 | AnduinLothar | can't say i've ever heard of a website being written in lua before |
| 11:22.36 | cladhaire | there are a few, mine is the largest that I'm aware of |
| 11:22.43 | cladhaire | although mailcatch.com is damn cool |
| 11:23.35 | cladhaire | the wiki framework is the bulk of the code tho, my customizations aren't too huge, the api system, the forums, and a bunch of other stuff |
| 11:23.39 | AnduinLothar | colloquy seems to be having real trouble converting ym clipboard when i copy/paste text.. |
| 11:23.47 | cladhaire | use LimeChat |
| 11:23.51 | cladhaire | its > Colloquy |
| 11:24.00 | AnduinLothar | i think it's just been open too long |
| 11:24.02 | cladhaire | I've never thought about going back since i've changed |
| 11:24.11 | cladhaire | yeah colloquy has big issues with that |
| 11:24.34 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: what was the other function you had issues with the other day that wasn't documented or documented correctly? |
| 11:24.39 | cladhaire | had something to do with... |
| 11:24.45 | cladhaire | UnitBuff |
| 11:24.47 | cladhaire | there we go :P: |
| 11:24.50 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 11:25.05 | AnduinLothar | yeah i fail at reading |
| 11:25.33 | AnduinLothar | i figured it out, tho the "PLAYER" was still a bit confusing and that it uses | to mean AND instead of OR |
| 11:26.39 | AnduinLothar | i figured "HARMFUL|PLAYER" would be ones that i could debuff, but it's ones that you cast |
| 11:26.45 | cladhaire | aye |
| 11:26.56 | AnduinLothar | and HARMFUL|RAID is ones you can cure |
| 11:27.04 | AnduinLothar | which really doesn't make much sense... |
| 11:27.10 | AnduinLothar | imo |
| 11:27.13 | AnduinLothar | but w/e |
| 11:28.04 | cladhaire | GAH |
| 11:28.06 | AnduinLothar | i kinda also wanted HELPFUL and (PLAYER or RAID) but couldn't find a way to do that |
| 11:28.13 | cladhaire | i need a construct for UnitAura functions |
| 11:28.21 | cladhaire | since name, rank count as two arguments there. |
| 11:28.21 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 11:30.07 | AnduinLothar | i would have to like call unitbuff with RAID until it was nil and then call it with PLAYER and only show the ones not previously seen |
| 11:30.38 | AnduinLothar | in order to see for example blessings AND auras |
| 11:30.58 | AnduinLothar | and i would still onyl see my auras and not other peoples |
| 11:32.37 | cladhaire | so HELPFUL always looks for spells you can cast? |
| 11:32.45 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 11:32.52 | AnduinLothar | HELPFUL just means buff |
| 11:32.56 | cladhaire | oh okay |
| 11:33.22 | AnduinLothar | PLAYER shows ones you HAVE cast |
| 11:33.28 | cladhaire | thanks :P |
| 11:33.42 | AnduinLothar | RAID seems to only show raid buffs that you personally could cast |
| 11:34.09 | AnduinLothar | like if i dont have kings it wont show kings |
| 11:34.09 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 11:34.09 | AnduinLothar | but it'll show might and wis |
| 11:34.09 | cladhaire | but not IF you cast it |
| 11:34.09 | cladhaire | just that you could |
| 11:34.16 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 11:34.24 | cladhaire | CANCELABLE is dispellable? |
| 11:34.31 | cladhaire | and NOT_CANCELABLE is stuff that can't be dispelled? |
| 11:34.32 | AnduinLothar | no, it's for buffs |
| 11:34.41 | cladhaire | hrm ok |
| 11:34.45 | AnduinLothar | some infinite buffs cant be canceled |
| 11:34.53 | AnduinLothar | like ones from tabbards |
| 11:34.59 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 11:35.11 | cladhaire | NOT_CANCELABLE shows buffs or debuffs, or either? |
| 11:35.28 | AnduinLothar | i don't think either of them has any effect on debuffs but i'm nto sure |
| 11:35.51 | AnduinLothar | i think all debuffs are not_cancelable |
| 11:35.58 | AnduinLothar | but i'd need to test |
| 11:39.10 | Fisker- | would be awesome if you could click debuffs off |
| 11:39.15 | Fisker- | poor man's dispelling |
| 11:39.16 | Fisker- | awsum |
| 11:40.16 | AnduinLothar | ya testing says debuffs are never CANCELABLE |
| 11:40.30 | AnduinLothar | cause i got a poison i could clense and it returned nil |
| 11:41.32 | AnduinLothar | brb |
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| 11:44.06 | AnduinLothar | there we go, Portfolio has color swatches. that took longer than i planned |
| 11:44.52 | cladhaire | hrm, what does duration return from UnitAura |
| 11:45.00 | cladhaire | is it a GetTime(), or some other number? |
| 11:45.10 | AnduinLothar | sec |
| 11:45.40 | AnduinLothar | if ( duration and duration > 0 ) then |
| 11:45.40 | AnduinLothar | cooldown:Show() |
| 11:45.41 | AnduinLothar | CooldownFrame_SetTimer(cooldown, expiration - duration, duration, 1) |
| 11:45.45 | cladhaire | i bet its the total duration |
| 11:46.34 | AnduinLothar | function CooldownFrame_SetTimer(self, start, duration, enable) |
| 11:46.51 | AnduinLothar | sounds like time in ms |
| 11:47.03 | AnduinLothar | and expiration is GetTime format |
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| 11:47.32 | cladhaire | thanks |
| 11:51.11 | cladhaire | okay those functions are done |
| 11:51.13 | cladhaire | just need examples |
| 11:52.06 | mikma | "I Hotkeyed Cyclone and lifebloom to my DDR pad and danced my way to gladiator!" |
| 11:56.08 | mikma | "When people tell me "plz" just because it's shorter than "please", I feel perfectly justified to answer "No" because it's shorter than "Yes"." |
| 12:02.32 | AnduinLothar | I'm gonna need a lot of caffine int he morning.. |
| 12:03.25 | mikma | mmmm, coffee. sounds good like a plan. |
| 12:03.40 | AnduinLothar | thinkign more like amp |
| 12:03.49 | AnduinLothar | i dont do coffee |
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| 12:06.21 | mikma | ah hihihi, another lapland theme park got shut down in UK |
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| 12:12.21 | Codex| | does anyone here use Ghost Pulse 2? |
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| 12:21.16 | AnduinLothar | there we go. http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11749-Portfolio.html lets see if It'll get up to 35k |
| 12:21.49 | AnduinLothar | sleep tiem for me |
| 12:25.08 | cladhaire | Portfolio looks nice |
| 12:25.12 | cladhaire | maybe I'll use that for CrownMolding |
| 12:25.20 | cladhaire | would certainly make my life easier |
| 12:25.22 | mikma | apparently you decided the name |
| 12:25.49 | cladhaire | no |
| 12:25.56 | cladhaire | thats just what its called today :P |
| 12:26.08 | mikma | didn't tek have good name suggestions? :D |
| 12:26.18 | cladhaire | he wanted "BrokenPanel" |
| 12:26.18 | mikma | or wobin, he's good at it |
| 12:26.21 | cladhaire | or something like that |
| 12:26.28 | cladhaire | I'm open to suggestions if anyone wants to jump on it :P |
| 12:26.35 | cladhaire | got the fun stuff coded last night |
| 12:27.01 | mikma | wobin: hey mr. downunder, cladhaire needs a name for his addon |
| 12:29.56 | Arrowmaster | cladhaire: heh, today |
| 12:30.07 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: what about today? |
| 12:30.12 | cbreak | http://www.behindthename.com/random/ |
| 12:30.19 | Arrowmaster | 'thats just what its called today :P' |
| 12:30.27 | mikma | :D |
| 12:30.40 | mikma | (imho, not bad) |
| 12:31.35 | Arrowmaster | had a funny little discussion with my uncle while he was in town for thanksgiving about a software project he worked on back in college that didnt have a name yet but needed documented |
| 12:32.13 | Arrowmaster | you made me think of that |
| 12:32.43 | cladhaire | ;-) |
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| 12:33.02 | Arrowmaster | he called it "Fred" |
| 12:33.09 | Arrowmaster | http://www.multicians.org/mga.html#ABSI |
| 12:33.13 | cladhaire | Monkey is my default |
| 12:33.27 | cladhaire | hahaha |
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| 12:35.13 | cbreak | you could hash your sourcecode and try to make an anagram from the result. |
| 12:35.27 | cladhaire | blegh |
| 12:35.37 | cladhaire | shouldn't be hard, its a damn LDB panel :P |
| 12:36.28 | cbreak | I'd probably call it "InfoLine" or something like that... |
| 12:38.47 | mikma | "TopStuff" |
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| 12:40.22 | Wobin | what's the addon? |
| 12:41.58 | mikma | it puts LDB stuff into a TitanLike panel |
| 12:43.19 | cladhaire | yep |
| 12:43.20 | cladhaire | what he said |
| 12:44.17 | cbreak | LDB? |
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| 12:44.41 | cladhaire | ~ldb |
| 12:44.42 | purl | i heard ldb is a WoW Library - A central registry for addons looking for something to display their data. http://github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/tree/master |
| 12:44.42 | Codex| | how can u get recount to hide when ungrouped? |
| 12:46.29 | Codex| | anyone? |
| 12:46.35 | cbreak | call your addon "Wallstreet" :) |
| 12:47.09 | Codex| | ? |
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| 12:48.59 | Wobin | so barlike |
| 12:49.14 | Wobin | Tetris |
| 12:49.40 | mikma | PingPong |
| 12:49.57 | Wobin | arkanoid |
| 12:50.11 | cbreak | Codex|: do you search an answer in code? |
| 12:50.17 | Wobin | MentalBlock |
| 12:50.20 | cbreak | yo can detect if you are grouped via the API |
| 12:50.31 | cbreak | and then just Hide() or Show() the frame |
| 12:50.37 | mikma | IssueTissue |
| 12:51.52 | Codex| | there must be an autohide function ^^ |
| 12:52.25 | cbreak | I use Recap, minimized to a small area that only shows on mouse-over |
| 12:52.43 | cbreak | (that only shows the whole window on mouse over I mean) |
| 12:56.04 | Codex| | hmm recount doesnt have a hide when ungrouped option |
| 12:58.21 | cbreak | it shouldn't be hard to write an addon that hides/shows arbitrary frames when party/raid status changes |
| 12:59.05 | krka | i think there is an official rule that it must be completely impossible to deduce the addons purpose from its name |
| 13:00.17 | Kaso | lol |
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| 13:03.01 | Alfuin | anyone here got experience with bag/bank mods? |
| 13:03.44 | cbreak | I use Sanity2, that's about it |
| 13:04.01 | Alfuin | i mean lua coding |
| 13:04.02 | cladhaire | krka: *grin* |
| 13:04.30 | cladhaire | I normally hate the unintelligible names, but I also want to cry if i name it somethign like "InfoPanel" =/ |
| 13:04.54 | Arrowmaster | i like the wallstreet idea |
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| 13:06.17 | Alfuin | blizzard's own backpack and bank panel is able to show silver/copper even if the amount is zero, so is many other addons that handles the bags/bank, including titan gold... yet i cannot replicate this in my addon. does anyone want to help? |
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| 13:07.55 | zenzio | I don't really understand the question |
| 13:09.21 | Alfuin | question: does anyone know how to make an addon showing your money, show silver and copper aswell, even if either are zero? i.e. if you have 1 gold exactly, your backpack shows 1g 0s 0c. I can't make my addon do the same, it shows only 1g. Does anyone know how to fix it? |
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| 13:10.00 | zenzio | you're still not giving enough info. How are you displaying it? |
| 13:10.40 | Alfuin | in a movable frame. my addon is based on ShowMeTheMoney (blizz tutorial) |
| 13:11.25 | Alfuin | here's the addon i have the problem in; http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11855-ShowMeTheMoney.html |
| 13:12.25 | krka | cladhaire: what does it dp? |
| 13:12.29 | krka | *do |
| 13:12.49 | cladhair_ | krka: its just a panel for LDB plugins, looks like Fubar/Titan |
| 13:12.53 | cladhair_ | but with none of their crud, heh |
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| 13:14.57 | Alfuin | guess nobody can help then... |
| 13:15.09 | cladhaire | or you could be patient |
| 13:15.18 | cladhaire | you just asked your question 6 minutes ago, and linked the code 4 minutes ago |
| 13:15.20 | Alfuin | ./cower |
| 13:15.23 | cladhaire | :P |
| 13:15.26 | cladhaire | give us a moment |
| 13:15.31 | Alfuin | ok |
| 13:15.54 | Alfuin | the code i thought would do the trick is commented out in the xml file |
| 13:17.22 | Arrowmaster | ok a few things..... |
| 13:17.42 | Arrowmaster | learn about scope, global variables with names like ver and Hidden are bad |
| 13:18.31 | Arrowmaster | i dont know why the hell you thought it would be a good idea to upload whats basicly a hello world addon to the different addon sites, nobody wants it |
| 13:19.00 | Arrowmaster | and i dont think you can use a blizzard tutorial, modifiy it, and slap a copyright on it |
| 13:19.03 | Alfuin | arrowmaster: thanks for the support |
| 13:19.40 | Alfuin | i clearly state it is a modification, and that it is based on blizzard's tutorial |
| 13:20.00 | krka | cladhaire: LDBPanel then! |
| 13:20.10 | cladhaire | BrokerPanel possibly |
| 13:20.11 | cladhaire | but meh |
| 13:20.48 | Arrowmaster | learning is good, adding more useless crap to the addons sites is bad |
| 13:21.05 | cbreak | Alfuin: read the MoneyFrame code of FrameXML |
| 13:21.14 | Arrowmaster | why do you think curse went and removed all the compilations, users complained there was too much crap and they couldnt find anything |
| 13:21.27 | Alfuin | cbreak: i have read it, can't figure out completely |
| 13:22.07 | Alfuin | i am not a noob on lua, i admit that, but everyone was when learning it |
| 13:22.26 | cbreak | read MoneyFrame_Update |
| 13:22.40 | cbreak | from line 290 |
| 13:22.43 | Alfuin | ok, taking a look there now |
| 13:22.48 | cbreak | that's where it decides when to colapse |
| 13:23.10 | cbreak | oh, btw, why did you zip an Addons folder too? that makes your addon a pain to install |
| 13:23.32 | Alfuin | bummer! i will fix that soon |
| 13:24.13 | cladhaire | give your frame an OnLoad that does SmallMoneyFrame_OnLoad(self, "PLAYER") |
| 13:24.17 | cladhaire | and it should fix your problem |
| 13:25.58 | cbreak | not that anyone wants to install it :) |
| 13:26.16 | krka | Broke[rn]Panel! |
| 13:26.19 | krka | that's a cool name |
| 13:26.26 | Alfuin | why are you so mean? |
| 13:26.39 | cbreak | you sure cladhaire? |
| 13:26.43 | Arrowmaster | info.showSmallerCoins needs to be set to something, which MoneyFrame_SetType(self, "PLAYER") should do |
| 13:26.54 | cladhaire | yep |
| 13:26.59 | cladhaire | pretty damn sure :P |
| 13:27.02 | cbreak | MoneyTypeInfo["PLAYER"] has collapse = 1 |
| 13:27.21 | cladhaire | i think collapse is not the issue |
| 13:27.24 | cladhaire | showsmallercoins is |
| 13:27.28 | cladhaire | methinks :P |
| 13:27.36 | Arrowmaster | thats correct |
| 13:27.44 | cladhaire | and PLAYER makes sense, since all of the player money frames are done with all coins |
| 13:28.45 | Alfuin | so the part i have commented out is redundant? |
| 13:29.36 | cladhaire | i would comment out everything you have in your OnLoad righ tnow. |
| 13:29.42 | cladhaire | and use what I said instead |
| 13:29.44 | cladhaire | and it should work correctly |
| 13:30.04 | cbreak | it looks as if it'd handle events itself too then |
| 13:30.14 | cladhaire | yes, this is why i suggested it :P |
| 13:30.25 | Alfuin | so... MoneyFrame_SetType(self, "PLAYER"); |
| 13:30.25 | Alfuin | SmallMoneyFrame_OnLoad(self, "PLAYER"); |
| 13:30.35 | cladhaire | no SetType |
| 13:30.36 | cbreak | might be more practical but less educative :) |
| 13:30.38 | cladhaire | just the OnLoad |
| 13:30.43 | Alfuin | ok |
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| 13:31.40 | Alfuin | final thing. if it bothers you so much that i uploaded this "crap" addon, i will remove it from the sites it is on |
| 13:32.03 | Alfuin | that was to arrowmaster and cbreak |
| 13:33.02 | Alfuin | it's not important that it is approved on curse, wowui, and wowint, if you don't approve it |
| 13:33.59 | Arrowmaster | more things to yell at ackis about |
| 13:33.59 | cbreak | they aprove everything :) |
| 13:34.13 | Arrowmaster | ackis and aiiane do |
| 13:34.27 | Arrowmaster | Approve Project â Show Me The Money! 1.3 â View Activity Log Ackis 12/07/2008 20:14:21 |
| 13:37.31 | Alfuin | cladhaire: i get error: Moneytype not set. |
| 13:38.28 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 13:38.35 | cladhaire | remove the <OnLoad> section from yoru code entirely |
| 13:38.43 | Alfuin | will try that |
| 13:38.49 | cladhaire | looks like a.) they didn't implement that yet, and b.) this code should do what you want by default |
| 13:39.09 | cladhaire | or close to it |
| 13:39.11 | Alfuin | ok... editing now |
| 13:39.30 | Arrowmaster | it will error if frame.info isnt set |
| 13:41.21 | cladhaire | which MoneyFrame_SetType does |
| 13:41.26 | cladhaire | which is called in the OnLoad |
| 13:41.47 | Alfuin | it worked now, cladhaire |
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| 13:43.08 | Alfuin | thanks for helping me with this. now i go on and remove it from the web, as the master wanted |
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| 13:49.50 | Alfuin | making the variable Hidden to local, makes it not save in the savedvariables |
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| 13:50.43 | Alfuin | tested it now. logged in, hid the frame, logged out and in again. it should be hidden still, but was not... |
| 13:51.06 | cbreak | that's normal |
| 13:51.12 | cbreak | you can only save globals |
| 13:51.17 | cbreak | but you should chose good names |
| 13:51.34 | cbreak | because globals are global, and you never know if an other addon uses a name such as "hidden" |
| 13:51.38 | Alfuin | ok, so make it global again, and give it a better name? |
| 13:51.39 | cbreak | use a prefix |
| 13:51.42 | cbreak | yes |
| 13:51.45 | Alfuin | thanks |
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| 13:51.52 | cbreak | most addons use a settings table though |
| 13:52.28 | Alfuin | it only got one variable to save, making it table is too much (for me as noob lua coder) |
| 13:52.42 | cbreak | you'd use something like AlfuinMoneyFrame_Config_Hidden then |
| 13:53.11 | cbreak | or with a table, AlfuinMoneyFrame_Config = {hidden = true}; |
| 13:53.33 | cbreak | and then you could use it like AlfuinMoneyFrame_Config["hidden"] or AlfuinMoneyFrame_Config.hidden |
| 13:53.47 | cbreak | anyway, there are lots of options |
| 13:54.05 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. *hugs* |
| 13:54.53 | Adys | What the hell |
| 13:55.02 | Adys | models have a :SetRotation() function |
| 13:55.06 | Adys | but not GetRotation() ? |
| 13:55.07 | Alfuin | going with a version of your first suggestion, cb |
| 13:55.38 | cbreak | the advantage of tables is that they are way more flexible |
| 13:55.54 | Alfuin | it would be a small table :P |
| 13:56.11 | cbreak | still one more entry than an empty table |
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| 14:00.40 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Jelly! Spanish crap all done with? When are finals? |
| 14:00.49 | |Jelly| | Tomorrow |
| 14:01.02 | Lopeppeppy | One more day then. *hug* |
| 14:01.24 | |Jelly| | Yup |
| 14:02.22 | Lopeppeppy | I have.... 15 more days to winter break. Can't wait. |
| 14:02.29 | |Jelly| | hehe |
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| 14:15.32 | Alfuin | fixed addon uploaded. thanks all who helped (and didn't) for your input |
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| 14:27.45 | cladhaire | you're welcome Alfuin |
| 14:28.01 | cladhaire | best bet in these situations where you're trying to re-use a blizzard template is to dig through all of the code fo rit |
| 14:31.49 | zenzio | peppy, you need to keep a better eye on your cat: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/07/funny-pictures-saiz-iz-5-o-clock-somewherez/ |
| 14:32.14 | Lopeppeppy | Oh my god. *gets Kendra right into kitty rehab* |
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| 14:36.04 | Lothaer | morning |
| 14:36.23 | Lopeppeppy | Heyo. |
| 14:40.44 | Lothaer | what new lopeppeppy? |
| 14:42.49 | Lopeppeppy | It was 49 degrees in my apartment this morning. I think I should turn the heat on or something. |
| 14:43.43 | cbreak | I hope for your sake that those aren't ° Celcius |
| 14:44.08 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, I'm one of those bloody americans with F degrees. |
| 14:44.25 | Lothaer | lol |
| 14:44.34 | Lopeppeppy | I should amend, it was 49 degrees *upstairs*, so downstairs was probably 45 or lower. |
| 14:44.48 | Lopeppeppy | Getting out of bed this morning was.... not fun. :) |
| 14:44.59 | Lothaer | ROFL |
| 14:45.02 | Lothaer | was for me :D |
| 14:45.10 | |pez| | the boyfriend left the door open between the bedroom and livingroom |
| 14:45.11 | Lothaer | i didnt get out of bed until 1130 |
| 14:45.12 | |pez| | it was warm |
| 14:45.25 | Lopeppeppy | |pez|, you're lucky! |
| 14:45.40 | Lopeppeppy | Lothaer, I hate you with the passion of a million scorpion stings! Rawr!! |
| 14:45.48 | |pez| | I don't like it being warm in the bedroom XD |
| 14:46.07 | Lopeppeppy | I don't like... too warm... but so cold that I can see my breath is also bad. |
| 14:46.38 | |pez| | then I just tuck myself into my duvet, and walk out into the livingroom XD |
| 14:46.48 | Lothaer | Lopy: there are things one can do to warm them selves up /wink |
| 14:47.29 | Lopeppeppy | Lothaer, if you move outside of your little pocket of body warmth, you freeze off those parts! |
| 14:47.38 | Lopeppeppy | And I'm a single lady, so there's no warm toy to play with. |
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| 14:48.26 | Lothaer | u dont NEED a toy |
| 14:48.53 | Lothaer | you could always buy a heated blanket |
| 14:51.36 | Lopeppeppy | I have one, Lothaer. That makes it even harder to get out of bed into the icky cold, because it's warm under the blankets. |
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| 14:53.42 | Lothaer | lol |
| 14:54.00 | Lothaer | atm where i live its about 15 degrees C |
| 14:54.14 | Spellshaper | hi |
| 14:54.49 | Spellshaper | Got -5°C here :p |
| 14:55.06 | Lothaer | in USA thats about 59 |
| 14:55.49 | Lothaer | mind it is 0125 atm |
| 14:57.57 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=30472 |
| 14:58.00 | Anaral | 15c at 125 is pretty mild. |
| 14:58.05 | mikma | olus in finnish means beer |
| 14:58.20 | Lothaer | random |
| 14:58.27 | Lopeppeppy | Beeeeer! |
| 14:58.27 | Lothaer | Anaral: yeah |
| 14:58.45 | Lothaer | Duff? |
| 14:58.52 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. Eeew. |
| 14:58.54 | Lopeppeppy | Smithbecks. |
| 14:59.04 | Lothaer | Coopers |
| 14:59.34 | Lothaer | Crown Larger |
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| 14:59.42 | Lothaer | XXXX |
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| 15:23.57 | Rageon | woot what higlighted me :/ |
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| 15:28.29 | VexX | Anyone got a few minutes to help me? I'm trying to save a pair of variables but cant seem to do it. I thought i'd done it right by declaring it in the TOC file as "## SavedVariablesPerCharacter: InnervAnnounceOptions" but it doesnt save the table |
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| 15:29.35 | Lopeppeppy | Paste your stuff in the pastey in the channel topic, then give a link. Anyone who has free time to look, will. |
| 15:30.20 | VexX | Thanks, is it worth including the .xml file too just in case or just the lua and toc files? |
| 15:30.49 | alestane | If there's actual code in the XML file (which there usually is), it may be safer to paste it too. |
| 15:33.39 | [dRaCo] | is there an addon to export professions to like, HTML or BB Code or whatever? |
| 15:34.17 | VexX | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103924 - sorry if it makes anyones eyes bleed, not used to lua/wowdev |
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| 15:35.34 | Lopeppeppy | dRaCo, I've seen numerous addons that export professions for websites, just on WoWInterface. |
| 15:35.41 | alestane | VexX: I don't think your XML is valid ATM. Take out the <Script file="InnervAnnounce.lua" /> line just inside the frame, you don't need it anyway. |
| 15:36.58 | VexX | alestane: done |
| 15:37.58 | [dRaCo] | peppy: yeah, what I meant was more like any recommendations? |
| 15:42.07 | alestane | VexX: While it shouldn't affect the problem you're citing, you're still using the frame script globals...you'll want to clean that up at some point. |
| 15:43.24 | Lopeppeppy | [dRaCo], no specific recommendations. They all do the same thing, read your file after you close the game. Check with your site host for what format works best for uploading and using? |
| 15:44.27 | VexX | alestane, I'll be honest, i dont really understand it all, its a fair amount of cut'n'hack together from other addons/guides |
| 15:45.16 | alestane | VexX: I posted a reply that addresses that particular issue. |
| 15:45.17 | VexX | and i'm equally not sure that OnEvent(...) is all that elegant, but then again I'm unfamiliar with lua |
| 15:46.30 | VexX | alestane, thanks for your help :D |
| 15:52.20 | mikma | <1657> <mikma> http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=30472 -> <1658> <mikma> olus in finnish means beer |
| 15:52.31 | mikma | what i meant was OLUT is beer, not olus |
| 15:52.48 | mikma | (the name of the npc ;) |
| 15:52.55 | Lopeppeppy | I figured as much, mikma. |
| 15:53.05 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, I met the in game Peppy yesterday, she's a hoot. |
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| 16:31.03 | Trixer | well I got a druid to 40 and already want to start a paladin haha |
| 16:32.08 | Lopeppeppy | Paladins are pretty fun, I do enjoy mine a lot. |
| 16:35.22 | Trixer | how do you have him specced/ |
| 16:35.40 | Lopeppeppy | He's a holy paladin, climbing to 80. |
| 16:37.31 | Trixer | Ahh healer pali |
| 16:37.56 | Trixer | I think im going to end up taking all the healer classes clear to 80 |
| 16:37.59 | Trixer | at least 60 |
| 16:39.48 | |pez| | The server I play on could use a bit more healers I think |
| 16:40.06 | zenzelezz | where do you play again? |
| 16:40.18 | |pez| | Sporeggar. |
| 16:40.31 | |pez| | There's ALWAYS someone asking for a healer. |
| 16:40.34 | |pez| | all other spots are filled. |
| 16:40.35 | Lopeppeppy | Healing is fun, hard work, always something to do. |
| 16:40.37 | |pez| | usually. |
| 16:40.49 | Lopeppeppy | Be aware though, paladin healers aren't very desired for 5 mans, so that aspect can get a bit hard. |
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| 16:40.59 | nevcairiel | meh healing is mostly boring lately |
| 16:41.03 | nevcairiel | tanking is where the fun is |
| 16:41.17 | |pez| | I like the DPSing... Cause I'm a isntancen00b |
| 16:41.41 | Lopeppeppy | You need to learn instances, |pez|, some of them are very hard on DPSers versus even the tanks. |
| 16:42.19 | zenzelezz | if I didn't enjoy tanking so much, I think I'd want to heal |
| 16:42.35 | |pez| | Oh, I'm running through AQ later today, with some friends. and we're defenetly not the intended number of players XD Just for kicks and achievements. |
| 16:42.55 | zenzelezz | what levels are you? |
| 16:43.09 | nevcairiel | AQ is really easy if you out-level it, was already on 70, more so on 80 |
| 16:43.23 | |pez| | We're 70+ most of us. I think. |
| 16:43.27 | |pez| | Don't know everyone. |
| 16:43.36 | sacarasc | AQ20 was like a heroic at level 70 |
| 16:43.54 | nevcairiel | a heroic? even those are harder =P |
| 16:44.14 | sacarasc | it was about as hard as UB heroic |
| 16:44.21 | |pez| | Me, the boyfriend, and a DPSadin went to kick ass in the auchidon(In terokkar) instances the other day. |
| 16:44.34 | |pez| | Non-heroic. |
| 16:45.05 | Trixer | I love how you just adin to whatver your paladin does |
| 16:45.12 | Trixer | tankadin, healadin, dpsadin lawl |
| 16:45.23 | nevcairiel | We usually say retardin :P |
| 16:45.24 | zenzelezz | loladin |
| 16:45.28 | |pez| | this paladin does more dps than me. XD |
| 16:45.36 | Trixer | and you are? |
| 16:45.36 | |pez| | I don't know if that's because he's awesome, or because I suck. |
| 16:45.40 | zenzelezz | good rets can be competitive on DPS |
| 16:45.40 | |pez| | I'm a hunter. |
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| 16:45.53 | Trixer | I see.... |
| 16:45.59 | |pez| | I'm thinking it's a mix of both. :P |
| 16:46.07 | Trixer | lol |
| 16:46.12 | nevcairiel | You should do one of the new LichKing instances when you get a chance |
| 16:46.14 | Trixer | probally more one then the other ;) |
| 16:46.25 | |pez| | Trixer: I'm thinking he's awesome XD |
| 16:46.26 | Lopeppeppy | a good ret is **competitive**. No two classes are ever "equal". |
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| 16:46.47 | Trixer | are there any lich king instances for people less then 80? |
| 16:46.57 | Lopeppeppy | Tons, Trixer. Start in Utgarde. |
| 16:46.59 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: who said they were equal? |
| 16:46.59 | |pez| | nevcairiel: done the nexus, that was fun. was also in Drak'Tharon a while ago.. |
| 16:47.06 | Trixer | awesome |
| 16:47.11 | |pez| | Also went into the supershort spider instance in Dragonblight. |
| 16:47.18 | |pez| | Azol'Nerub? |
| 16:47.23 | |pez| | or whatever it's called. |
| 16:47.26 | |pez| | All great fun. |
| 16:47.32 | Trixer | well ive been playing horde for a bit now, and got a druid up to 40 I think im gonna power him up to 70 real soon |
| 16:47.37 | Hirsute | Azjol'Nerub is super short? |
| 16:47.48 | Trixer | xmas vac is coming up and im debating on even seeing the sunlight during that whole week! |
| 16:48.20 | Trixer | .... |
| 16:48.43 | |pez| | Hirsute: I can't remember it taking more than maaaybe 20 minutes? and that includes waiting 5 minutes for our tank and healer. :P' |
| 16:49.03 | Trixer | lol |
| 16:49.13 | Trixer | maybe you missed a secret door? |
| 16:49.18 | |pez| | Maybe I did! |
| 16:49.23 | Hirsute | Nice. I know what instance to put on my list for when I have no time. |
| 16:49.27 | zenzelezz | AN is probably the quickest instance |
| 16:49.38 | sacarasc | VH is pretty short too |
| 16:49.55 | zenzelezz | hm, true |
| 16:49.57 | Hirsute | Nice. |
| 16:49.58 | zenzelezz | it just feels longer |
| 16:49.59 | cog|work | anyone else notice that Azjol would be pronounced "asshole" in spanish? |
| 16:50.13 | Hirsute | I have finals on Friday, so the instancing will start on Saturday. |
| 16:50.18 | zenzelezz | nope, I pick a pronunciation somewhere between Norwegian and English |
| 16:50.26 | |pez| | We were supposed to go to... Anh'Kahet (Old Kingdom or somesuch), but that didn't happen. |
| 16:50.37 | |pez| | Not yet anyway. |
| 16:50.38 | Lopeppeppy | Anquiraj. AQ. |
| 16:50.39 | nevcairiel | thats a rather fun instance |
| 16:51.13 | |pez| | And I've not been to Utgarde yet. |
| 16:51.49 | Alfuin | Asshole'Nerub? |
| 16:52.17 | |pez| | lol |
| 16:52.20 | |pez| | ... |
| 16:52.23 | Alfuin | rofl |
| 16:52.32 | |pez| | I suddenly get mental images of insects crawling up a butt. |
| 16:52.34 | |pez| | buuuh |
| 16:52.48 | Lopeppeppy | Slither! |
| 16:53.03 | |pez| | I'll go to the store now. :P |
| 16:53.19 | |pez| | Need to shop some food so I can make Lasagna when I'm done in AQ |
| 16:55.50 | ZorbaTHut | anyone have a comprehensive list of languages that WoW is translated into? is it the same as the Wowhead language dropdown (German, English, Spanish, French, Russian) or are there more? |
| 16:56.31 | Seerah | there are more |
| 16:56.43 | ZorbaTHut | bah |
| 16:56.52 | Hirsute | There are more. WoWHead doesn't have translations for Asian languages, for example. |
| 16:57.10 | cog|work | zhTW, zhCN, koKR |
| 16:57.12 | Seerah | http://www.wowwiki.com/Localization |
| 16:57.14 | ZorbaTHut | alright then. anyone know if there's an easy way to get internationalized names for "pick pocket", "mining", etc? |
| 16:57.22 | cog|work | no |
| 16:57.26 | Seerah | use the item id instead? |
| 16:57.26 | cog|work | you have to have teh language pack installed |
| 16:57.37 | Seerah | err spell id |
| 16:57.50 | ZorbaTHut | ah, good call. I keep forgetting that spells have IDs |
| 16:57.52 | cog|work | but yeah, chances are you don't need to be using the name in the first place |
| 16:57.52 | ZorbaTHut | duh |
| 16:58.07 | ZorbaTHut | sadly, I do - some of the events I'm dealing with cleverly don't include the ID |
| 16:58.33 | Rageon | guys i've always used bigwigs pre WOTLK jsut hit 80 now, is it still good, and does it interoperate with deadly boss mods, as that's what most ppl seem to be runing in the raid |
| 16:58.38 | ZorbaTHut | UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT specifically |
| 16:59.11 | Lopeppeppy | BigWigs and DBM are two separate addons, Rageon, that do the same things. They don't "integrate" |
| 16:59.20 | Gnarfoz | and they don't need to interoperate. |
| 16:59.36 | Gnarfoz | DBM interoperates with itself more than necessary already ;D |
| 16:59.39 | Rageon | well no tey don't as the only itneroperabiltiy they would need would be syncin timers, but |
| 16:59.53 | Lopeppeppy | They don't synch anything, AFIK. Use what your raid uses. |
| 17:00.05 | Seerah | ZorbaTHut: when I have come across that instance, I used the event that *did* include the spell ID |
| 17:00.06 | Gnarfoz | "syncing timers" is unnecessary |
| 17:00.08 | Rageon | eyah i've stuck with bigwigs as it seems to recuire a bit less resources and does what you need and that's about it |
| 17:00.08 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 17:00.25 | Lopeppeppy | Timers are guesstimates anyway, relying on them is a PITA. Watch the boss emotes. |
| 17:00.33 | Gnarfoz | don't trust that one |
| 17:00.34 | ZorbaTHut | seerah, I'm basically being ultraparanoid and trying to make sure that the spell is occuring exactly like it's supposed to. trying to dodge any possible form of data corruption here |
| 17:00.37 | Lopeppeppy | But yeah, use what your raid uses, it's tons easier than screaming about it. |
| 17:00.42 | Gnarfoz | watch cooldown timers alright |
| 17:00.44 | ZorbaTHut | also, as near as I can tell, there's no event sent that includes the spell ID for pick pocket |
| 17:08.47 | |pez| | Oook, didn't make the store. -___- |
| 17:09.19 | |pez| | stupid boyfriend failing to eat today, which caused lower bloodsugar than I'm wanting him to have. |
| 17:09.25 | |pez| | and thus, I will not leave him alone. :P |
| 17:09.41 | Seerah | he should know to eat by know - he's a grown up ;) |
| 17:10.05 | |pez| | I agree. |
| 17:10.33 | Lopeppeppy | Passive aggressive response to you, |pez|, but I've said that before. Anyone who hurts themselves is needing a boot to the head. |
| 17:10.37 | |pez| | He's been fine for a looong time now, and then on friday, saturday, and sunday, and today, has been full of lows. |
| 17:10.58 | Alfuin | give him a pez :) |
| 17:11.06 | |pez| | I don't have any! |
| 17:11.12 | |pez| | and "a" won't really do XD |
| 17:11.55 | Alfuin | i love pez... not the dispenser thingie, but the candy. I buy a pack of refills and keep them by my computer :D |
| 17:12.46 | |pez| | I used to do that. |
| 17:13.47 | Alfuin | how long should it normally take from an update is uploaded to wowinterface till it is approved? |
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| 17:14.31 | ZorbaTHut | alfuin, usually only takes a few minutes for me |
| 17:14.41 | Alfuin | it has been several hours now |
| 17:14.51 | |pez| | eh, forkit, I'm gonna see if I can make the store anyway. |
| 17:15.32 | Seerah | Alfuin: I might be the only one not asleep or at work atm, and I haven't hit the site yet since I got out of bed |
| 17:15.56 | Seerah | everything gets checked over manually by us personally, before getting approved |
| 17:18.19 | Alfuin | wait. it seems to be approved, the version available for public is the newest... but in "My AddOns" it shows "pending". strange |
| 17:18.35 | Seerah | I *just* did it 2 seconds ago |
| 17:18.45 | Alfuin | oh :D |
| 17:18.56 | Seerah | but it was still pending when you looked |
| 17:19.05 | Seerah | if someone tried to download it, they could not |
| 17:19.16 | Alfuin | i see. thanks seerah |
| 17:22.16 | Seerah | you're welcome |
| 17:22.20 | Alfuin | heh. cool! someone has tagged my addon as favorite :D |
| 17:22.31 | Lopeppeppy | That was quick. :) |
| 17:22.42 | Alfuin | i think that was from before the update |
| 17:22.56 | Lopeppeppy | So they could come back to it. *nod* |
| 17:23.17 | Alfuin | those marking favorite gets e-mail too, when it updates |
| 17:24.17 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. I don't get emails when cladhaire updates the things I love. I must have turned that setting off. |
| 17:24.24 | Alfuin | this would be my second addon. the first was really simple, this one required much more work, even if it is based on a template :P |
| 17:24.35 | Alfuin | well, don't know if i mix that with another site then |
| 17:24.45 | Seerah | ? |
| 17:25.15 | Lopeppeppy | Could be, alfuin. Or it could be that I am all protective and turn off email options. |
| 17:26.11 | Alfuin | i wonder... how many (of you who read this now) have a character named the same as you call yourself here in irc? |
| 17:26.15 | Alfuin | i do |
| 17:26.36 | Lopeppeppy | Quite a few of us. |
| 17:26.44 | Hirsute | I do, with slightly different spelling. |
| 17:27.07 | Alfuin | as to my knowledge there is only ONE Alfuin. me :D |
| 17:27.58 | ZorbaTHut | I use Zorba when I can get it |
| 17:28.18 | Alfuin | wowarmory don't let you search on character names anymore, it seems. but when it did, I could only find my own character named Alfuin. |
| 17:29.52 | Lopeppeppy | the armory will let you search by character. Maybe you need to change the drop down default search item. |
| 17:35.41 | Alfuin | seems like it does not... too bad |
| 17:35.55 | mikma | dang! now i need lvl80 dk heroic/raiding build |
| 17:37.08 | Lopeppeppy | Alfuin, when I typed my character name in the search box, it got me the right info. |
| 17:37.11 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=kirwan&searchType=all |
| 17:37.27 | Lopeppeppy | How's finals looking to be, Shirik? |
| 17:37.37 | Shirik | eh |
| 17:37.40 | Shirik | they should be easy |
| 17:37.53 | Lopeppeppy | Good, then you can study a little, eat a little, REST a little. :) |
| 17:37.55 | Shirik | one of them is strange, I can get a 0% on it and get an A, or a 50% on it and get a B |
| 17:37.56 | Alfuin | ok. trying again :D |
| 17:38.03 | Shirik | so I'm not sure what to do on that one |
| 17:38.20 | Shirik | the other one I did so much extra credit for the class I'm not really sure I can fail even if I managed to get a negative score |
| 17:38.27 | Lopeppeppy | What's up with that, Shrik? Is that the "drop the lowest grade" thing? |
| 17:38.29 | Shirik | However, I have 2 projects to finish still so there is no time for rest |
| 17:38.34 | Shirik | no, it's like |
| 17:38.49 | Shirik | Every class we have an assessment, which is graded either E, S, or U |
| 17:39.02 | Shirik | for Excellent, Satisfactory, or Unsatisfactory |
| 17:39.04 | Alfuin | lope, you're right, seems it accepts char names. still only one Alfuin :D |
| 17:39.16 | Shirik | You pass if (E+S)/(E+S+U) > 50% |
| 17:39.19 | Shirik | That's the easy part |
| 17:39.42 | Shirik | Now, you get an A if E/(E+S) > 50%, B if E/(E+S) > 10%, C otherwise |
| 17:39.49 | Shirik | That kinda makes sense too |
| 17:40.07 | Shirik | Now, every exam we take (including the final), all it does is replace older assessments if we do better |
| 17:40.18 | Alfuin | i am off for now, need to play a little |
| 17:40.26 | Shirik | so if I get a 0, I just keep all the grades I have which would leave me with an A |
| 17:40.43 | Shirik | However, if I convert enough Us to Ss, then that drops my E/(E+S) grade, potentially pulling me down |
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| 17:40.54 | Shirik | so I have to be sure any Us I convert become Es |
| 17:44.33 | Seerah | whatever happened to just A through E with +/-? |
| 17:44.55 | Lopeppeppy | Have you told your professor that his/her math is frightfully complex? That grading system wouldn't stand at Skidmore, once a student showed how it could damage their grade, and therefore encourages mediocrity. |
| 17:45.25 | Shirik | It's funny, actually Lopeppeppy, because my professor wrote code because he felt it would explain it better |
| 17:45.28 | Shirik | and put that in the syllabus |
| 17:45.33 | Shirik | However there was one problem with it |
| 17:45.49 | Shirik | One extra thing I didn't tell you is every time you have an unexcused absence, your letter grade drops by 1 |
| 17:45.56 | Lopeppeppy | Doesn't matter if it's well documented, if doing their best causes a student's grades to DROP, that grading system is a problem. |
| 17:46.13 | Shirik | I caught a bug in it, though, where if you miss enough classes, your grade will wrap around to be higher than an A |
| 17:46.25 | Shirik | he fixed that though :( |
| 17:46.38 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... system is fuxxored, your professor should be hung by his ears for that. |
| 17:46.54 | Shirik | Well it's not entirely his fault |
| 17:47.07 | Shirik | he's on a team whose job is to find new ways of teaching. And in all honesty, the system is actually pretty good |
| 17:47.24 | Shirik | The grading system is bad, and I've already raised that point to him (and he WANTS feedback on it) |
| 17:47.34 | Shirik | But the teaching method is much better imo |
| 17:48.09 | Shirik | You get these "learning outcomes" that are assessed at the beginning of every class, and you just go through them one by one. So at the beginning of the class you get "Okay here are the 56 things you will learn" etc and you learn them one by one |
| 17:48.18 | Shirik | If you get a bad grade on one of them, you know what you don't know and fix it |
| 17:48.28 | Lopeppeppy | Teachers can teach any way that works for them, I'm all for different ways of running classes. |
| 17:49.02 | Lopeppeppy | What I'm against is over-complexity in grading systems, because you're faced with a choice where it's better for you to do poorly on your exam than to put in the effort to be knowledgeable. |
| 17:49.32 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. Professors using my Shirik as a guinea pig! *comfort* |
| 17:50.25 | Shirik | so for example |
| 17:51.17 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ead34520bb5f002458be33c921f8b8e4.jpg |
| 17:51.43 | Shirik | If I screw that up on the daily assessment, I know exactly what I need to study, and I have 2 more chances to get it right - the exam and the ifnal |
| 17:52.07 | Shirik | and I don't have to worry much about him mixing multiple questions together and then figuring out what exactly I don't know |
| 17:52.25 | Lopeppeppy | AFK staff meeting.... |
| 17:52.40 | Shirik | have fun! |
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| 17:54.39 | Lunessa | station |
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| 18:01.54 | mikma | is DK's minion useful in instances, at all? |
| 18:02.47 | nevcairiel | the permanent ghoul can be used for some little dps boost for unholys |
| 18:02.52 | nevcairiel | other then that, probably not =P |
| 18:04.11 | foxlit | You can always use it as an ineffective self-heal |
| 18:04.17 | foxlit | But more often than not, it dies to stupid things |
| 18:04.42 | mikma | that's what i was thinking :P |
| 18:05.21 | alestane | I think GC said they're considering giving it avoidance. |
| 18:05.50 | mikma | something about the minion being stupid and pulling lots of extras |
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| 18:08.52 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0EMZ0xZfg0I0cogcV0csut <- heroic/raid dps spec |
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| 18:17.49 | NeoTron | mikma: sure, the ghoul us useful but it sorely needs aoe avoidance |
| 18:18.06 | NeoTron | and minions don't puill extra unless you're dumb :P |
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| 18:20.53 | Trixer | I would doubt anyone here has any experiences with the skypeAPI hey? |
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| 18:22.32 | Cide | mikma: what does blade barrier do in a dps spec? |
| 18:22.59 | Cide | you're not exactly getting many more rune strikes from it |
| 18:24.51 | Trixer | Whats a rune strike? |
| 18:24.57 | Cide | a spell |
| 18:25.00 | Trixer | ahh |
| 18:25.30 | NeoTron | blade barrier is clearly purely tanking |
| 18:26.01 | Cide | what does it do in a dps spec then? :P |
| 18:27.11 | mikma | rune strike will not be a part of dps, later :P |
| 18:27.22 | Cide | so your dps spec fails |
| 18:27.28 | mikma | blade barrier is more ap, and some spells are getting their power from ap |
| 18:27.38 | Cide | no |
| 18:27.42 | Cide | you're thinking of bladed armor |
| 18:27.50 | Cide | blade barrier increases your parry when blood runes are not up |
| 18:28.05 | mikma | oh |
| 18:28.12 | mikma | well you just said what's the use of it |
| 18:28.18 | Cide | yes |
| 18:28.22 | Cide | increasing parry in a dps spec? |
| 18:28.34 | Trixer | so to make a death knight |
| 18:28.38 | mikma | (notice, i also plan on soloing quests) |
| 18:28.41 | Trixer | do you have to have a 55 on that server or just your account? |
| 18:28.45 | mikma | parry = rune strike |
| 18:28.49 | mikma | trixer: server |
| 18:28.52 | Cide | then don't name it a heroic/raid dps spec :P |
| 18:29.02 | Trixer | Ohh that sucks so hard Mik |
| 18:29.08 | Cide | qq |
| 18:29.12 | mikma | ok, it's my solo/heroic/raid spec. |
| 18:29.19 | Cide | there we go |
| 18:29.54 | Trixer | lmao |
| 18:29.58 | Trixer | basicly its your everything spec? |
| 18:30.07 | Cide | holy crap |
| 18:30.15 | Cide | [The Fire Extinguisher] sells for 15g |
| 18:30.19 | Cide | and it's useless |
| 18:30.20 | Cide | that's pro |
| 18:30.29 | Trixer | like seriously useless? |
| 18:30.31 | Trixer | or just semi useless? |
| 18:30.38 | Cide | www.wowhead.com |
| 18:30.42 | mikma | yeah, my spec, like i said =) |
| 18:32.08 | Trixer | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41755 |
| 18:32.13 | Trixer | how can you sell it its BoP? |
| 18:32.26 | Cide | ... |
| 18:32.28 | Cide | vendor? |
| 18:32.29 | mikma | ... |
| 18:32.31 | AnduinLothar | rofl |
| 18:32.32 | Trixer | ohh wow |
| 18:32.32 | mikma | just rightclick it |
| 18:32.39 | Corr-work | nice one :D |
| 18:32.41 | Trixer | yeah yeah ok it sells to the vender for 15g |
| 18:33.33 | Trixer | sorry im a retard |
| 18:33.39 | Cide | rofl |
| 18:33.41 | Cide | on that page |
| 18:33.46 | Cide | under comments |
| 18:34.01 | Cide | "Bugged. When I try to equip it, I get 'That item does not go in that slot.'." |
| 18:34.04 | Cide | and just below |
| 18:34.06 | Cide | "that's what she said" |
| 18:34.12 | Corr-work | smirk |
| 18:34.16 | Cide | with a rating of ***+630*** |
| 18:34.48 | Corr-work | helpful posts usually get like 50 at the most, right? |
| 18:35.05 | Lyn | ~schimanski |
| 18:35.05 | purl | [schimanski] mikma also known as mikmanski |
| 18:35.09 | Cide | ya, I've never seen anything close to that |
| 18:35.39 | Lunessa | Fire Extinguisher is only in game for the humor text. And the jokes goes flat pretty quick. |
| 18:36.47 | mikma | ~lederhosen |
| 18:36.48 | purl | from memory, lederhosen is lyn, scheisse, lederhosen! SCHIMANSKI! |
| 18:37.15 | Lyn | :) |
| 18:37.21 | Lyn | exalted kaluak! |
| 18:37.25 | Lyn | xD |
| 18:37.29 | Corr-work | i feel like i'm missing something ._. |
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| 18:37.53 | Corr-work | are those Arbitrary German Words? |
| 18:38.14 | mikma | yes, where schimanski is the most important ever. |
| 18:38.29 | Lyn | schminaski is a police detective in german tv |
| 18:38.33 | Lyn | and lederhosen are lederhosen |
| 18:38.36 | Corr-work | ah |
| 18:38.44 | Lyn | leather pants! |
| 18:39.17 | Trixer | she looks sexah in those lederhosen? |
| 18:39.43 | Trixer | you know it just dosnt have the same ring to it as "Damn, look at her ass in those leather pants!" |
| 18:39.58 | Corr-work | aaah. |
| 18:40.29 | Trixer | I never really understood the german lang, everytrhing sounds very angry |
| 18:40.50 | Lyn | oO |
| 18:41.00 | Lyn | rly? |
| 18:41.22 | alestane | Listen to Beethoven's 9th sometime. |
| 18:41.33 | Trixer | yeah I used to do computer work for a german lady who owned a dairy farm here, and to listen to her speak german she just sounded very angry lol |
| 18:41.40 | Trixer | ale: Im talking about the lang |
| 18:41.49 | Lyn | maybe she is angry? |
| 18:42.01 | Trixer | naa |
| 18:42.07 | Lyn | :D |
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| 18:55.04 | selckin | anyone who can keep their mt alive more then 3 min on heroic 3 dragon sarth? |
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| 19:00.02 | ZorbaTHut | is there a way to get a spell ID for the spell that the player is currently casting? |
| 19:01.12 | Shirik|Ecole | I believe you have to watch the start/stop events for that |
| 19:02.13 | ZorbaTHut | the start/stop events don't include it :/ |
| 19:02.23 | ZorbaTHut | the combat log does, but the combat log doesn't record this particular spell |
| 19:03.15 | Shirik|Ecole | uh |
| 19:03.18 | Shirik|Ecole | are you sure about that? |
| 19:03.30 | ZorbaTHut | yes, I'm looking at the event trace right now. |
| 19:03.32 | Shirik|Ecole | SPELLCAST_START arg1 -> spell name |
| 19:03.37 | ZorbaTHut | that's spell name |
| 19:03.38 | ZorbaTHut | not spell ID |
| 19:04.07 | Shirik|Ecole | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSpellInfo |
| 19:04.49 | ZorbaTHut | what part of that returns a spell ID? |
| 19:06.34 | Shirik|Ecole | hm |
| 19:06.38 | Shirik|Ecole | oh well, back to my project |
| 19:06.40 | ZorbaTHut | the closest I've found is GetSpellLink() with its name, but unfortunately there's more than one spell with the same name :P |
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| 19:18.04 | KarlKFI | cladhair_: what was that irc client you recommended? lime something |
| 19:24.38 | mikma | !google |
| 19:24.50 | mikma | ~google |
| 19:24.50 | purl | it has been said that google is a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
| 19:25.15 | mikma | karlkfi: http://limechat.net/mac/ |
| 19:25.37 | KarlKFI | i googles lime irc and it didn't help me :( |
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| 19:26.56 | mikma | well did my link help you? :P |
| 19:27.01 | KarlKFI | yes thx |
| 19:27.04 | KarlKFI | oo LimeChat for iPhone |
| 19:28.33 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh. |
| 19:28.52 | KarlKFI | Ooooh. |
| 19:29.58 | mikma | ~iih |
| 19:30.08 | mikma | ~ooh |
| 19:30.15 | mikma | hmmrph |
| 19:30.44 | bleeter | my god my country's gone completely stark raving mad http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/internet-parody-of-simpsons-is-child-porn-judge/2008/12/08/1228584743320.html |
| 19:32.14 | KarlKFI | "Their creation would constitute crimes at the very highest end of the criminal calendar." |
| 19:32.18 | KarlKFI | wtf does that mean |
| 19:32.32 | KarlKFI | someone needs to L2Metaphor |
| 19:32.33 | Corr-work | it means that criminals are more active in late december |
| 19:32.34 | Lopeppeppy | That child porn is taken wicked seriously. |
| 19:32.41 | Corr-work | ;) |
| 19:35.55 | Fisker- | fail bleeter |
| 19:35.55 | Fisker- | FAIL |
| 19:36.00 | Fisker- | ~epic fail bleeter's country |
| 19:36.01 | purl | bleeter's country, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you bleeter's country, you are that epic failure. |
| 19:36.28 | bleeter | Fisker-: nah, lemme get the total epic fail currently happening down here... |
| 19:36.37 | Corr-work | "if this were something completely different, it would be pretty illegal" |
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| 19:40.09 | Fisker- | yeah Corr-work |
| 19:40.10 | Fisker- | next up |
| 19:40.18 | Fisker- | Copying = Stealing |
| 19:40.42 | Shirik|Ecole | you know what, screw Microsoft and their whole "COM10 is not a valid port" crap |
| 19:40.44 | bleeter | Fisker-: http://www.smh.com.au/news/home/technology/internet-video-nightmare/2008/12/08/1228584709781.html |
| 19:41.02 | zenzelezz | Shirik|Ecole: get with the USB, foo |
| 19:41.12 | Shirik|Ecole | We have this awesome standard that goes "COM1", "COM2", ... "COM9" and then they decide "oh btw, next is \\.\COM10, \\.\COM11" |
| 19:41.26 | Shirik|Ecole | zenzelezz: Actually this is bluetooth :) |
| 19:41.39 | zenzelezz | I said get with the USB! |
| 19:41.42 | ScytheBlade1 | That's because COM1-9 are reserved at a different level, and their actual path is \\.\COMX |
| 19:42.14 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't save a file named "COM1" but you can "COM10" |
| 19:42.30 | Shirik|Ecole | This is 2008 |
| 19:42.33 | Shirik|Ecole | there has to be a better way |
| 19:42.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Tell that to MS's department that does reverse compat |
| 19:42.48 | Corr-work | "after someone in Britain reported the video clip to police"? |
| 19:43.11 | sacarasc | yes, it was me! |
| 19:43.22 | Shirik|Ecole | ScytheBlade1: Half the problems we have are due to us trying to still be backwards compatible to windows 95 |
| 19:43.27 | Corr-work | britain and australia have both been a little weird for a while now |
| 19:43.34 | ScytheBlade1 | This goes back to the DOS era, actually |
| 19:43.42 | Shirik|Ecole | EXACTLY |
| 19:43.43 | ScytheBlade1 | pre v6 |
| 19:43.48 | Shirik|Ecole | That is unnecessary |
| 19:44.02 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm all for backwards compatibility, but if people are using 10 year old computers, well then too bad |
| 19:44.34 | bleeter | Corr-work: yeah, see the statement from the Brit's internet watch about the Scorpion's incident thing. Basically what's happening is the Brits alert overseas jurisdictions about stuff they think is illegal, and if the overseas don't act there's reduction in international co-operation shizz |
| 19:45.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: computers? No, but software? Maybe |
| 19:45.06 | bleeter | and the Brit's IWF basically just need to think something's illegal, with no legal ruling, before all this kinda shizz goes down |
| 19:45.09 | bleeter | FAIL |
| 19:45.41 | Corr-work | and people hate on the US for messing with others |
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| 19:46.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: keep in mind that if they changed it, your app would break too ;) |
| 19:48.52 | Corr-work | so you can't show a video of crime. can you -talk- about crime? |
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| 19:51.00 | Corr-work | no need to answer, i'm just still lolling. |
| 19:57.04 | Shirik|Ecole | ScytheBlade1: That's called job security |
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| 20:07.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: just sayin' |
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| 20:10.27 | foxlit | I've seen the Death of WoW |
| 20:10.35 | foxlit | And it said "Additional instances cannot be launched" |
| 20:12.26 | Tekkub | that's not death |
| 20:12.32 | Lopeppeppy | How many instances do you want to have? |
| 20:12.34 | Tekkub | that's "stop that I'm sleeping" |
| 20:13.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: ... over 9000! |
| 20:14.05 | Lopeppeppy | Transylvania 6-5000 |
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| 20:18.21 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Fisker- |
| 20:18.21 | purl | Fisker-, you Fail! |
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| 20:38.38 | Trixer | lol |
| 20:38.43 | Trixer | 2 billion instances! |
| 20:39.17 | cladhair_ | KarlKFI: LimeCHat |
| 20:39.27 | KarlKFI | thx found it |
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| 20:49.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I may switch to posting exclusively on my 80 character |
| 20:49.27 | ScytheBlade1 | The 80 male gnome mage is too awesome |
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| 20:50.02 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13275281745&postId=132740178213&sid=1#0 <-- that avatar is simply too awesome not to use -everywhere- |
| 20:50.46 | Shirik|Ecole | that avatar is fricking ugly |
| 20:50.54 | Wikwocket | But then how will you troll without a level 1 alt? |
| 20:51.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh I have plenty of those |
| 20:51.45 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to beat you for that moustache. |
| 20:52.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Careful, I may like it |
| 20:52.48 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 20:52.54 | Lopeppeppy | Promises promises. *yawn* |
| 20:57.52 | Shirik|Ecole | Lopeppeppy is feisty tonight |
| 20:59.55 | haste | http://beverpung.net/images/nix/2008-12-08-215751_1680x1050_scrot.png - sometimes I wonder if they really want my cash or not :( |
| 21:00.12 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik dear, when am I not? |
| 21:00.37 | Lopeppeppy | Sexy, haste. |
| 21:01.00 | haste | very |
| 21:02.28 | zenzelezz | O_O |
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| 21:03.51 | Shirik|Ecole | haste: My account mgmt page still claims that they're charing a credit card that expired feb 08 |
| 21:04.04 | Shirik|Ecole | yet it consistently states that my account was billed |
| 21:04.26 | kernelpanic | have a question about frame OnLoad handler, it hangs when I try to use MyFontString:SetText |
| 21:04.40 | zenzelezz | that's not a question |
| 21:04.42 | Lopeppeppy | What does your credit card say, Shirik? |
| 21:04.54 | Shirik|Ecole | well I have a new card now :) |
| 21:04.57 | Shirik|Ecole | I just haven't updated the page |
| 21:05.06 | kernelpanic | expected behavior? |
| 21:05.35 | zenzelezz | kernelpanic: what exactly is your OnLoad doing; anything more than SetText()ing? |
| 21:05.40 | kernelpanic | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.40 | kernelpanic | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.40 | kernelpanic | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.58 | kernelpanic | let me comment out the other initializations |
| 21:06.35 | Lopeppeppy | kernelpanic, if it's more than a line or two of code to show, use the pastey in the channel topic so you can show everything you need to. |
| 21:07.06 | kernelpanic | i put "DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("debug1") at each line, and know for sure its hanging at the settext... |
| 21:07.59 | Shirik|Ecole | I find that difficult to believe |
| 21:08.57 | cladhaire | have you ensured you've enabled Lua errors? |
| 21:09.06 | cladhaire | you may be getting an error message, btu you won't see it unless you've enabled it. |
| 21:09.37 | Shirik|Ecole | this IDE is so bad >< |
| 21:09.37 | kernelpanic | okay those howto instructions are probably buried in some FAQ someplace -- but to answer your question no haven't |
| 21:09.59 | Lopeppeppy | kernelpanic, it's an option in the standard Bliz UI options in game. |
| 21:10.11 | Shirik|Ecole | It takes like 20 seconds to connect to the device, and like 1 second to download it. It wouldn't be so bad, but it compiles AFTER connecting, so you don't know if you have a problem until you wait half a minute every time... |
| 21:10.13 | cladhaire | Options -> Help -> Display Lua Errors |
| 21:10.32 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN guys! |
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| 21:10.52 | kernelpanic | that's on now as well |
| 21:10.57 | cladhaire | then reload |
| 21:10.59 | cladhaire | you'll get an error |
| 21:13.21 | Wikwocket | Does anyone know if there is a way to get the name of a spell on action slot x? Is that GetActionText() does? |
| 21:15.41 | Wikwocket | There must be a better way than checking GetActionTexture against known icons... |
| 21:17.19 | cladhaire | Wikwocket: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetActionInfo |
| 21:18.08 | Kirov | Doesn't work with mounts or pets at the moment. |
| 21:19.36 | Wikwocket | Thanks. Do you know if 'id' would be the index into the Spellbook for spells? Or is it the actual spell ID like 12345? |
| 21:19.39 | kernelpanic | cladhaire et al, thxmuch for the pointers -- working now (couple of typos, one of which was in another srcfile [where the table gets populated]) |
| 21:20.14 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 21:20.15 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 21:20.21 | cladhaire | kernelpanic: no problem :P |
| 21:22.01 | cladhaire | so everytime I try to install windows on my laptop.. the installer blue screens |
| 21:22.17 | Thunder_Child | which version? |
| 21:22.41 | Thunder_Child | and have you tried one slipstreamed with SPx |
| 21:22.41 | Lunessa | cladhaire: Doing this on your MacBook? |
| 21:22.49 | cladhaire | no, my MSI Wind |
| 21:23.14 | Trixer | hmm I want to try WAR but im starting to wonder if my laptop can handle i |
| 21:23.18 | Lunessa | If the installer is BSODing, when does it happen? |
| 21:23.22 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: Not yet, that's a shit-ton of time |
| 21:23.41 | Thunder_Child | no cladhaire, thats a torrent |
| 21:23.43 | cladhaire | Lunessa: At the point where it would normally prompt the user.. |
| 21:23.56 | Lunessa | for the product key? |
| 21:24.08 | cladhaire | no, the very first question |
| 21:24.39 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: I'd have to move my SP2 onto my machine then run the slipstreamer |
| 21:24.45 | cladhaire | i guess thats my next move |
| 21:24.46 | Lunessa | Clad, oh wow. What OS is on the machine now? Any? Is saving any data on the machine important? |
| 21:24.54 | cladhaire | Lunessa: no, it can be and has been wiped. |
| 21:25.01 | Thunder_Child | cladhaire, just dl a torrent with sp3 slipstreamed |
| 21:25.08 | Thunder_Child | or 2 |
| 21:25.15 | Thunder_Child | dunno which windows you have |
| 21:25.27 | Shirik|Ecole | cladhaire: What's the BSOD? |
| 21:25.28 | Lunessa | XP or Vista? |
| 21:25.34 | cladhaire | this is XP |
| 21:25.39 | cladhaire | I dont have a 3GB USB key |
| 21:25.46 | Thunder_Child | cd? |
| 21:25.47 | cladhaire | so I can't try Vista right now =/ |
| 21:25.55 | cladhaire | no, this is being installed from a USB key |
| 21:26.01 | Kirov | Wikwocket - it's the location in the spellbook |
| 21:26.16 | Lunessa | Ok... I'd boot from a CD and surface scan the drive. |
| 21:26.20 | cladhaire | I can't. |
| 21:26.30 | cladhaire | i can surface scan the drive, but no optical drive |
| 21:26.45 | Thunder_Child | can you net boot it? |
| 21:26.49 | Shirik|Ecole | .... this is amusing, really |
| 21:26.54 | Lunessa | Ok, surface scan the drive. Might be a bad cluster near the boot sector. |
| 21:27.00 | Shirik|Ecole | you all are trying to resolve a problem without actually knowing the error |
| 21:27.12 | cladhaire | no, they are gathering information which is within their right :P |
| 21:27.15 | Thunder_Child | yes Shirik|Ecole, it's called guessing |
| 21:27.26 | ScytheBlade1 | "I have an inbox full of what can only be described as hard core cookie porn. Please note that I am not complaining." |
| 21:27.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, penny arcade |
| 21:27.58 | Shirik|Ecole | cladhaire: There are only a few questions which have actually been asked to gather information as of yet; the most important one, imnsho, of which has yet to be answered |
| 21:28.03 | Lunessa | Usually, when I crash at the beginning of a Windows install, there's a disk error. |
| 21:28.19 | Wikwocket | Thanks Kirov, now to look up how to get the spell name given the spellbook index :) |
| 21:28.33 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, the BSOD error is just no fun |
| 21:28.40 | cladhaire | Shirik|Ecole: a bsod during install gives no information |
| 21:28.48 | cladhaire | just "shit happened, so I stopped the install" |
| 21:28.52 | cladhaire | "before it breaks your machine" |
| 21:29.04 | Thunder_Child | also cladhaire, if you really want to try vista there is a life version http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1628208/15091128/ |
| 21:29.09 | Thunder_Child | lite* |
| 21:29.13 | Shirik|Ecole | that is only true in certain circumstances, and if that is the case, then that already clarifies several problems |
| 21:29.36 | cladhaire | okay Mr. Miyagi, would you like to chime in instead of just criticising? ;-) |
| 21:29.52 | Shirik|Ecole | well I assume by your statement that you aren't actually getting an error |
| 21:30.18 | cladhaire | yes, I am |
| 21:30.20 | cladhaire | its a BSOD |
| 21:30.23 | Shirik|Ecole | ... |
| 21:30.24 | MentalPower | windows install BSOD's are not very helpful |
| 21:30.28 | Shirik|Ecole | That's not an error, that's a screen |
| 21:30.33 | cladhaire | WITH AN ERROR MESSAGE |
| 21:30.34 | Shirik|Ecole | the error is telling you wtf happened |
| 21:30.41 | Shirik|Ecole | YOU JUST SAID THERE WAS NO ERROR MESSAGE |
| 21:30.43 | MentalPower | it literally just says "some shit broke and I'm stopping the install" |
| 21:30.45 | cladhaire | yes |
| 21:30.47 | cladhaire | you don't seem to understand |
| 21:30.50 | cladhaire | I told you the error message |
| 21:30.51 | cladhaire | it says nothing |
| 21:30.54 | cladhaire | but it is an error message nonetheless |
| 21:30.58 | MentalPower | no error code or anything |
| 21:31.00 | Tekkub | or is it? |
| 21:31.07 | Tekkub | Schrodinger's error |
| 21:31.08 | cladhaire | I promise I'm not a moron ;-) |
| 21:31.10 | Shirik|Ecole | Okay, look, I know in your beautiful mac world all you have is "Oh my apologies something broke, please come cry with me" |
| 21:31.17 | Tekkub | havn't I heard that before? |
| 21:31.19 | cladhaire | Stop right the fuck now. |
| 21:31.20 | cladhaire | you're out of line |
| 21:31.25 | cladhaire | And you are pissing me off. |
| 21:31.29 | Shirik|Ecole | And so are you :) |
| 21:31.33 | cladhaire | No, I'm not |
| 21:31.56 | NeoTron | OP WARS!!! |
| 21:31.58 | cladhaire | You clearly have not encountered this, otherwise like the other people here you would understand precisely what I am saying. |
| 21:31.59 | MentalPower | Shirik|Ecole, cladhaire: stop |
| 21:32.02 | Shirik|Ecole | Of course, because you're always right. How dare I argue with you, I forgot. |
| 21:32.04 | MentalPower | seriously |
| 21:32.06 | MentalPower | stop |
| 21:32.26 | Lunessa | cladhaire: Seriously, scan the disk, check for bad sectors. Also, you know the machine is XP capable, right? |
| 21:32.39 | Kirov | Take out your differences on the proper battlefield. Might I suggest http://kittenwar.com/? |
| 21:32.45 | Shirik|Ecole | Oh no, cladhaire I have definitely encountered this error and I have already eliminated 50% of the possiblities using your (non)-information. The installer does NOT always just say "oh shit something happened." It CAN give error codes. If it doesn't, that means something particular happened. |
| 21:32.47 | cladhaire | Lunessa: it is, it came pre-installed.. The scan is 8% done, it was a good suggestion |
| 21:33.33 | Lunessa | cladhaire: This is what I do for a day job, feel free to ping me privately if you need additional assistance. |
| 21:33.36 | ZorbaTHut | cladhaire, you probably don't want to hear this, but 2/3 times I've had an XP install reliably bluescreen, it was a fried mobo |
| 21:33.41 | NeoTron | also isn't it quite liktely that it's a memory issue |
| 21:33.44 | cladhaire | ZorbaTHut: this isn't a fried mobo :P |
| 21:33.50 | Shirik|Ecole | precisely, NeoTron |
| 21:33.54 | cladhaire | everything works 100% on four different linux distros |
| 21:33.54 | NeoTron | I had an issue wheer I couldn't install XP but Linux worked great |
| 21:33.55 | Shirik|Ecole | wait |
| 21:33.55 | Shirik|Ecole | n |
| 21:33.58 | Shirik|Ecole | no it's not, NeoTron |
| 21:34.01 | NeoTron | turns out low address memory was broken |
| 21:34.13 | Shirik|Ecole | That is the kind of error that would occur WITH an error message |
| 21:34.16 | NeoTron | while linux starts from high to low, windows xp did low to high and failed |
| 21:34.21 | Tekkub | yea, memory's what I'd check first for weird errors |
| 21:34.25 | ZorbaTHut | well, in one of those cases I managed to run Linux for a bit, but the other case I didn't, so :) |
| 21:34.36 | NeoTron | Shirik|Ecole: being a memory issue, it could fail any random way if the bits were unlucky |
| 21:34.50 | Shirik|Ecole | well, yes, but in particular the installer has checks just as any kernel does |
| 21:35.00 | cladhaire | I can run Debian, Ubuntu, CentOS and Fedora without any issues or weird behavior, whereas the XP install fails at the exact same point each time. |
| 21:35.02 | Shirik|Ecole | it is more likely that it would give you an error message than anything else |
| 21:36.02 | Tekkub | I still say, run a full memory test |
| 21:36.08 | cladhaire | that's my next plan |
| 21:36.12 | NeoTron | cladhaire: exactly my issue which was memory based |
| 21:36.19 | cladhaire | I'm also making the install key directly from the USB key |
| 21:36.30 | NeoTron | and as it turns out I realized this when I started getting file corruption under linux due to the low memory being used for disk caching |
| 21:37.10 | Thunder_Child | get a new computer and forget about all of this foolishness of "fixing" things |
| 21:37.19 | Tekkub | buy a mac |
| 21:37.21 | Tekkub | oh, wait |
| 21:37.28 | Tekkub | uh, you're fucked |
| 21:38.31 | kernelpanic | honestly, i would first question the media -- do you have some old desktop in the corner that has worked off your usb key in the past? |
| 21:39.35 | Beladona | cladhaire: the xp isntallation is at least Sp1 correct? |
| 21:39.48 | cladhaire | sp2, yes |
| 21:39.56 | cladhaire | this is a relatively new computer, actually |
| 21:40.18 | mikma | hahaha, its tpp cute when dogs bark while they sleep |
| 21:40.34 | Tekkub | sneezing cates is cuter |
| 21:40.36 | mikma | too* .. sounds like someone is having a hiccup.. *yup* *yup* |
| 21:40.37 | Tekkub | *cats |
| 21:40.52 | NeoTron | Tekkub: except when they sneeze on you |
| 21:40.57 | Beladona | it could actually be the usb key |
| 21:41.01 | Tekkub | they don't do that to me :P |
| 21:41.06 | Beladona | some keys have known issues booting winxp setup |
| 21:41.09 | mikma | my cats do that |
| 21:41.22 | mikma | i just wipe my face clean and continue scratching them :D |
| 21:41.39 | mikma | the girlcat also likes to drool, alot. |
| 21:41.56 | mikma | then she just shakes her head to get rid of it. and yeah, it's on my face gain |
| 21:41.59 | mikma | again* |
| 21:42.26 | kernelpanic | the key image itself could be corrupted -- which is why i would say test it on a low end box with as few peripherals attached as possible |
| 21:42.30 | Tekkub | my sister had a cat that would nurse on you |
| 21:42.51 | Tekkub | sit there in your lap and kneed like other cats... but then when she got up you'd have a wet spot |
| 21:45.10 | mikma | tekkub: some cats do that if they have been separated from their mother too soon |
| 21:45.30 | mikma | my cousin had a cat like that, and so did we :P |
| 21:45.45 | mikma | annoying to notice that you have a huge wet spot on your t-shirt |
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| 21:47.49 | JamesJr | Hello! Can you please provide your thoughts on this? http://copilla.com/December/ |
| 21:48.48 | Trixer | Why, its the best thing I have ever seen |
| 21:48.51 | Trixer | ever |
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| 21:51.08 | mikma | jamesjr: my mamma can code better stuff than that |
| 21:51.21 | JamesJr | I do not need any coding advice. |
| 21:51.29 | JamesJr | How does it look/rendered? |
| 21:51.40 | mikma | do we have to open that url? |
| 21:51.48 | Wikwocket | It looks like a potential scam |
| 21:51.52 | mikma | i was just giving thoughts :P |
| 21:52.18 | JamesJr | Wikwocket, what seems scamming about it? What can I do to change that? |
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| 21:53.01 | Wikwocket | Googling "Conscious Hand Sanitizer" brings no immediate product results, googling the URL produces posts asking if it's a scam, and the URL's homepage is an anonymous marketing firm |
| 21:53.09 | Codayus_ | Well, the broken images are an obvious problem. |
| 21:53.16 | JamesJr | Broken images? |
| 21:53.21 | Cidan | it's not a scam |
| 21:53.42 | Cidan | Copilla is an advertizing agency |
| 21:53.48 | mikma | oh well, still not opening stuff people advertice right after joining ;) |
| 21:53.50 | Codayus_ | Sure, top.png and bottom.png are missing. |
| 21:53.51 | Cidan | Advertising |
| 21:54.15 | JamesJr | I believe I purposely left them out Codayus. |
| 21:54.35 | alestane | JamesJr: This channel is intended primarily for discussing World of Warcraft modifications; if you're looking for web design advice, there are probably more relevant channels out there. |
| 21:55.06 | Codayus_ | True enough. |
| 21:55.43 | cladhaire | Mikk: Do you need me to reset your password or set your ssh key for you? |
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| 21:59.00 | KarlKFI | oh clad, if you're serious about using Portfolio let me know if it's confusing at all. I want to get the docs to a usable state. |
| 21:59.43 | KarlKFI | i don't think the LuaDocs really stand on their own, I'm gonna have toi figure out some way to augment them with the info that's on the addon page |
| 22:00.00 | KarlKFI | like the table formats |
| 22:00.05 | cladhaire | KarlKFI: okay |
| 22:00.54 | KarlKFI | have you used LuaDoc at all? |
| 22:02.18 | KarlKFI | I've customized it a bit to allow block comments and some small tweaks, but I don't really like how it does the files. I have to fake modules, since wow doesn't knwo what to do with them. |
| 22:03.11 | KarlKFI | and i think I'm gonna have to hack it some more to allow more arbitrary docs in comments or something |
| 22:03.47 | KarlKFI | and i'd love to find a better css skin, lol |
| 22:05.40 | KarlKFI | is WoW Programming using Kepler ? |
| 22:16.47 | cladhaire | KarlKFI: it uses WSAPI and a few other friends |
| 22:16.55 | cladhaire | kepler is in there, but is not used directly |
| 22:18.20 | KarlKFI | oh nice i didn't knwo it worked on CGI, and FastCGI. that makes it way easy |
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| 22:20.15 | Amarande | hmm, are the Northrend zeppelin schedules slower or am I just thinking it? lol |
| 22:20.16 | KarlKFI | i take it you're not using LuaDoc, do you know of any other similar things people use for lib docs? |
| 22:22.27 | cladhaire | no, I don't. |
| 22:22.30 | cladhaire | all my docs are internal |
| 22:22.34 | cladhaire | or in sputnik proper |
| 22:23.33 | cladhaire | KarlKFI: http://pastey.net/103955 is the index.cgi script |
| 22:23.40 | cladhaire | and that's about 5 lines longer than it needs to |
| 22:23.58 | KarlKFI | yeah, that's pretty epic |
| 22:24.53 | KarlKFI | sputnik being the wiki i take it |
| 22:25.33 | cladhaire | yes |
| 22:25.40 | cladhaire | ~sputnik |
| 22:25.40 | KarlKFI | not sure if i want the docs to be wiki or not |
| 22:25.50 | KarlKFI | ya i foudn the link |
| 22:25.50 | cladhaire | its almost certainly overkill for what you want |
| 22:34.00 | KarlKFI | def. I think i can hack up LuaDoc sufficiently, i just need to decide how to do it. and find a host to use. |
| 22:34.17 | KarlKFI | bribe dobly, maybe |
| 22:34.34 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 22:34.37 | KarlKFI | or at leats spell his name right |
| 22:34.39 | Amarande | for once, an escort quest that isn't epic suck! |
| 22:35.01 | KarlKFI | Harrison Jones? |
| 22:35.45 | mikma | the bunny-escort in grizzly? |
| 22:36.00 | mikma | but yea, i liked the text "Harrison Jones has escorted you into safety" :D |
| 22:36.11 | Amarande | mikma: the tauren in Borean |
| 22:36.24 | mikma | tauren in borean? |
| 22:36.29 | Amarande | I suppose part of it is being a demo lock, part of it the fact that you get to escort an ELITE this time |
| 22:36.42 | Amarande | 'Escaping the Mist' |
| 22:36.52 | mikma | horde quest? |
| 22:40.20 | Amarande | I'm assuming so |
| 22:40.24 | Amarande | I don't have any alliance toons past 41, heh |
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| 22:43.37 | Amarande | so exactly what is supposed to be so dangerous about this mist, anyway |
| 22:44.00 | Amarande | the mobs are wimpy and drop nice amounts of frostweave |
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| 22:57.06 | Lunessa | Amarande: It's a homage to an 80s horror movie called "The Mist". |
| 22:58.02 | Lunessa | it had a mist, full of undead pirates (victims of a betrayal) who were lepers in life coming to exact revenge on the town that wronged them. |
| 22:58.34 | Lunessa | Undead Pirates. Check. Mist. Check. not as scary as the idea sounded on paper. Check. |
| 22:58.50 | smcn | pirates explode into seaweed on death.. check |
| 22:59.45 | Lunessa | Still, that's pretty much the deal. |
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| 23:06.08 | Saeris | Hey, if anyone's watching my uploads on WoW-Interface: sorry, I'm apparently functionally retarded when it comes to clicking the right file. I've got right now. |
| 23:06.29 | Cairenn | hehehe, no worries Saeris |
| 23:08.02 | Saeris | First I accidentally clicked an older version, then I clicked one for the entirely wrong addon. It was absurd. Anyway, all worked out now. Thanks. |
| 23:08.11 | Cairenn | :) |
| 23:08.29 | Cairenn | we all have our days, no apology necesary |
| 23:09.21 | ckknight | it's okay, Saeris |
| 23:09.24 | ckknight | we're still here for you |
| 23:09.30 | ckknight | even with your handicap |
| 23:09.37 | ckknight | :-P |
| 23:09.46 | Saeris | haha, good to know |
| 23:11.51 | Amarande | Evening Cairenn :) |
| 23:11.58 | Cairenn | hey Amarande, how goes? |
| 23:13.43 | Amarande | Pretty good :) Mailed out the first batch of holiday cards today too :) |
| 23:13.45 | Amarande | How's things with you? |
| 23:13.56 | Cairenn | going well :) |
| 23:17.56 | Wobin | ahahah http://stackoverflow.com/questions/350861/what-bad-practice-do-you-do-and-why#350911 |
| 23:18.28 | Amarande | Anything fun going on? |
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| 23:34.21 | Lunessa | Things are super! Thanks for asking! |
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| 23:42.28 | Wobin | Olorin: Did you ever play on Discworld MUD? =P |
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| 23:48.00 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.09 | Tem | |Jelly|, what on earth are you talking about? |
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| 23:59.50 | Wobin | "Hi guys!" |
