| 00:01.13 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:01.39 | zenzelezz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.44 | zenzelezz | oops |
| 00:02.12 | Amarande | heh, try putting "Google" in the search box and clicking 'i'm feeling lucky' |
| 00:02.37 | p3lim | ~seen evl |
| 00:02.44 | purl | evl <n=evl@unaffiliated/evl> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 8h 17m 53s ago, saying: 'nevcairiel: thanks for the Unregister tip, works like a charm'. |
| 00:02.53 | zenzelezz | Amarande: try the same with "sex". The result is disappointing |
| 00:04.51 | Amarande | zenzelezz: I'd be afraid to click I'm Feeling Lucky with anything to do with sex |
| 00:05.16 | foxlit | Speaking of putting Google into Google: http://code.google.com/codejam/contest/dashboard?c=agdjb2RlamFtcg8LEghjb250ZXN0cxjqOQw |
| 00:06.00 | Lopeppeppy | How should I occupy my time tonight, if my xmas lists are written and my hands are too cold for WoW? :) |
| 00:06.05 | foxlit | zenzelezz: all depends on your safe search preferences |
| 00:06.14 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: warm hands and play wow :p |
| 00:06.19 | foxlit | Or maybe not |
| 00:06.20 | Cairenn | crochet a pair of mittens |
| 00:06.28 | pastamancer | are usb hand warmers on your xmas list? |
| 00:07.22 | Dewin | how about a heated mouse? |
| 00:07.36 | zenzelezz | stop speaking dirty Dewin |
| 00:07.43 | Cairenn | probably of better benefit, crochet/knit a pair of fingerless gloves |
| 00:08.16 | Dewin | zenzelezz: dirty would be a heated animal that eats mice. |
| 00:08.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: mug of hot cocoa/cider/beverage of choice, a good book, and a fuzzy blanket |
| 00:08.57 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, I have a pair on order from a girlfriend who knits. :) |
| 00:09.02 | Dashkal | Dewin: Hey! My kitty keeps clean! |
| 00:09.05 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: :) |
| 00:09.09 | Lopeppeppy | NightHawkTheSane, you're more up the river I think I'm gonna travel. :) |
| 00:09.30 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 00:09.55 | Lopeppeppy | and pastamancer, usb handwarmers ARE on my xmas list, but I doubt anyone thinks I've been that good. :) |
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| 00:10.05 | Codex| | anyone else have nquestlog break suddenly on them? |
| 00:11.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: okay, how about a mug of <hot beverage> and a good tv show? fuzzy blanket optional? |
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| 00:11.51 | Corr-work | i wouldn't mind handwarmers that don't interfere with typing or anything |
| 00:11.55 | Lopeppeppy | No, I'm good with fuzzy blankets too, you misunderstand! I'm going to do exactly what you suggested, thank you oh god of sanity! |
| 00:12.08 | Amarande | I think if I was -ever- going to consider USB hand warmers I'd need a new system chassis first |
| 00:12.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: in that case, you merely totally confused me. :D |
| 00:12.30 | Lopeppeppy | I can get USB handwarmers, but not a parallel printer. This world, I swear. |
| 00:12.45 | Lopeppeppy | That's okay NightHawkTheSane, I confuzle a lot of male creatures. It's my job. |
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| 00:12.54 | Lopeppeppy | Ask Shirik sometime for the war stories, poor dear. |
| 00:13.02 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, its a female thing, ive noticed |
| 00:13.04 | Amarande | I can't remember the last time I used a parallel OR a USB printer |
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| 00:13.26 | Dashkal | Amarande: Network printing or bust? |
| 00:13.29 | Lopeppeppy | Mine is USB, the in laws only have a parallel connection. I may buy them a new freakin' computer instead! |
| 00:13.41 | Lopeppeppy | AFK for a short while to go play with the cat. She's prowling! |
| 00:13.49 | Dashkal | Kitty! |
| 00:14.35 | NightHawkTheSane | http://xkcd.com/231/ KITTY! |
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| 00:15.12 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: That comic is irrefutably correct *nogs* |
| 00:15.30 | Cralor` | does anyone else here use TourGuide? for some reason it doesn't show the borean or howling guides. and Tek says it should be working... i dont know what to try now |
| 00:17.28 | Cralor` | oh geez nevermind. must be only ally guides =( |
| 00:18.04 | Amarande | Oh, FRIG. |
| 00:18.24 | Amarande | Dashkal: yeah, my printers for the last several years were Ethernet based |
| 00:19.02 | Dashkal | I'm too paranoid to get an ethernet printer. I half expect someone to somehow rootkit the damn thing (I use wireless) |
| 00:19.32 | Amarande | Dashkal: you can set the printer to only accept printing from specific IPs |
| 00:20.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: l2secure your network? |
| 00:20.28 | Thrae | Dashkal: What are you worried, that someone will "rootkit" it and start printing child porn on uour printer, then call the FBI? |
| 00:20.34 | Dashkal | Amarande: if I could make it accept jobs only from SSL sessions with a specific client cert, I'd be happy :p |
| 00:20.53 | Dashkal | Thrae: turn the thing into a spam zombie (very unlikely, but since usb printers are cheaper, it's a no-brainer nayway) |
| 00:21.13 | Amarande | As for OH FRIG: |
| 00:21.17 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I have a wii and no wired adapter. It's wireless or no playing with friends. I have my desktop secured to not trust the wireless |
| 00:21.18 | Tekkub | uhm, network printers are WONDERFUL |
| 00:21.21 | Amarande | If you decide to do the whole around-the-coast thing |
| 00:21.28 | Thrae | Dashkal: Spamming what? A printer doesn't really come with a full OS. |
| 00:21.31 | Amarande | Don't do something stupid like walk along the grass when you reach Tanaris |
| 00:21.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: wireless does not mean insecure... |
| 00:21.37 | Tekkub | if you're that afraid of bad shit, you need to edumucate yourself till you aren't |
| 00:21.37 | Amarande | I have to hearth now :S |
| 00:21.38 | Dashkal | Thrae: It's doable, difficult but doable |
| 00:21.44 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: WPA has been cracked as well |
| 00:21.59 | Dashkal | I don't have the resources (read, space computer) to use WPA-Enterprise |
| 00:22.04 | Dashkal | spare* |
| 00:22.11 | Thrae | It's a freakin' printer. No one cares. Just like how my DS could be hacked to spam, but no one has and no one will. |
| 00:22.15 | Tekkub | so use wired networking? |
| 00:22.34 | Dashkal | Thrae: that was never my primary reason for avoiding network printers, just a random paranoia. Cost vs a basic usb is |
| 00:22.47 | Tekkub | DS is shit and only does WEP! and I never even got that to work :) |
| 00:22.49 | Amarande | Dash: Even if you use a super complex password for WPA? |
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| 00:23.07 | Dashkal | Tekkub: my solution works. Desktop doesn't trust the network. Don't need and adapter for the wii, don't need to trip on cables |
| 00:23.08 | Thrae | Your random paranoia is beyond paranoia, it's pure delusion. |
| 00:23.13 | Tekkub | cost vs USB? I bought a $100 wired network black laser |
| 00:23.23 | Dashkal | Amarande: WPA-Personal (shared key) has been cracked. Doesn't matter what the password |
| 00:23.28 | Tekkub | before that I had a $100 wired network inkjet |
| 00:23.36 | Dashkal | inkjet *shudder* never again |
| 00:23.41 | Tekkub | AGREED |
| 00:23.55 | Tekkub | I like that every few months when I need to print something, it works |
| 00:24.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: i think you're a touch over paranoid, personally |
| 00:24.06 | pastamancer | get a cheap network printserver from hawking or somesuch and upgrade your printer independantly |
| 00:24.07 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: And you'd win |
| 00:24.34 | Dashkal | Tekkub: exactly. I print things once a week, if that. *mutters some obsceneties about clogged heads* |
| 00:25.27 | Tekkub | once a week? |
| 00:25.38 | Dashkal | Tekkub: on average, a page a week. |
| 00:25.47 | Dashkal | Steam recepts, google maps for directions, that kind of thing |
| 00:25.48 | Tekkub | the ONLY things I've printed on this thing... rebate BS for hardware :) |
| 00:25.53 | Tekkub | we've had it for months |
| 00:26.09 | Dashkal | You'll find my paranoia even more strange when you consider that there's an unsecured "linksys" network that I get better strength to than my own connection |
| 00:26.26 | Thrae | I grabbed an insanely cheap, used B&W laserjet (paralell port). Still working great after all these years without a new cartridge, and I never have anything colour I need to print. |
| 00:26.32 | Amarande | I always thought WPA was still secure as long as you used a super complex password |
| 00:26.49 | Amarande | wtf. |
| 00:26.50 | Amarande | that was lag |
| 00:27.26 | cbreak | WPA is fairly secure |
| 00:28.00 | Tekkub | MAC addy lockouts are nice on wireless :) |
| 00:28.07 | Tekkub | use WPA also of course |
| 00:28.15 | cbreak | MAC lockout are worthless |
| 00:28.19 | cbreak | WPA is not broken yet |
| 00:28.29 | Dashkal | I'd have to look up the article claiming WPA-personal is broken |
| 00:28.31 | cbreak | appart from a theoretical chop-chop attack |
| 00:28.41 | cbreak | but that's just for writing, not for reading |
| 00:28.47 | cbreak | afaik |
| 00:28.48 | Tekkub | okey, in an apt complex where the other people are all stupid anyway, MAC lockout is nice |
| 00:28.56 | Dashkal | I'm not too concerned about it, my PC doesn't trust it regardless |
| 00:29.11 | Dashkal | mac filtering is on as well |
| 00:29.15 | Thrae | Dashkal: Did you know computers can be hacked via their power supplies? |
| 00:29.23 | cbreak | MAC lockout is like password protection where you put the password into every packet you send in the clear :) |
| 00:29.26 | Dashkal | Thrae: lame troll is lame |
| 00:29.30 | Amarande | Thrae: is that true, or are you trolling :P |
| 00:29.43 | Amarande | well, actually I guess Thrae has a point |
| 00:29.48 | Amarande | computers without power supplies have a 100% resistance to hacking |
| 00:29.52 | Dewin | yeah, MAC lockout only works if you trust the hardware of every computer on your network, authorized or not. |
| 00:30.02 | Amarande | therefore, the power supply is partially responsible in 100% of hacking cases :) |
| 00:30.05 | Dashkal | and certainly, you can easily DOS a machine via its power supply :p Cut the power and service is denied :p |
| 00:30.18 | cbreak | not with my powerbook |
| 00:30.21 | Thrae | It's true, really. It does require a real genius at electronics and hacking to do it, but it's technically true. Data communication is all electronic anyway. |
| 00:30.25 | Dewin | Dashkal: There are more entertaining ways to DoS a machine via it's power supply. |
| 00:30.40 | Dewin | such as sending it few too many volts. |
| 00:30.45 | Dashkal | Dewin: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda1 |
| 00:30.52 | Dashkal | oops, misread |
| 00:30.54 | Dashkal | yes, that works :p |
| 00:31.07 | Shirik | ummm |
| 00:31.09 | Shirik | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 00:31.11 | Dashkal | my mind added a 'than' in there for no apparent reason |
| 00:31.16 | Shirik | actually nm |
| 00:31.33 | Dewin | It's okay, you also failed to notice that I used the wrong its. Phew. :) |
| 00:31.36 | Shirik | strange question |
| 00:31.40 | Shirik | does anyone here have my phone number? |
| 00:31.43 | mikma | dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda bs=1024 |
| 00:31.50 | Shirik | bad mikma |
| 00:32.01 | mikma | thank you shirik =) |
| 00:32.01 | Thrae | Dashkal: You must think I live dangerously with WEP in my neighborhood, as I am surrounded by 70-something year olds...or am I?! |
| 00:32.18 | cbreak | ~google shirik's phone number |
| 00:32.20 | Dashkal | Thrae: it's all risk management. My tolerance is very very low, we covered that. |
| 00:32.48 | cbreak | why WEP? WPA is a lot more secure and just as easy to use |
| 00:32.57 | cbreak | unless you have crap hardware that is |
| 00:33.10 | Tekkub | Dashkal, so uhm, why not just deny the printer net access? |
| 00:33.12 | Dashkal | I find wpa easier to use. I've had more failures getting wep up than wpa. Stupid keys |
| 00:33.13 | Dewin | Any idea how secure WoW is vs packetsniffing? I cringed when I brought my computer's over to my brother-in-law's house and had to run over the crummy wireless. |
| 00:33.17 | Thrae | Dashkal: And this is when you start talking about the child porn on your computer that you don't want anyone to see, but thankfully you're using TOR right now so we can't trace you? |
| 00:33.35 | Dewin | freenet ftw? |
| 00:33.42 | Dashkal | Tekkub: there are absolutely ways to make it work. Trump card: I have a usb printer and no need to upgrade. I may well consider it next printer purchase |
| 00:33.47 | Thrae | Use TOR through Freenet. |
| 00:33.59 | cbreak | you have no clue what you're talking about thrae |
| 00:34.02 | Tekkub | so then, why the fuck did you bring it up? |
| 00:34.06 | Dashkal | I should check out freenet again, see if anything interesting has happened |
| 00:34.09 | cbreak | get one before you continue |
| 00:34.30 | Dashkal | the technology is facinating, even if the actual practical use is limited |
| 00:34.37 | Thrae | cbreak: Random insults serve no purpose in this channel. |
| 00:35.10 | Dashkal | Thrae: random thinly-veiled insults don't serve much purpose either... |
| 00:35.11 | cbreak | you tell lies which are obviously based on your lack of understanding of the topic. |
| 00:35.19 | Tekkub | Thrae, you dog if fucking ugly too |
| 00:35.21 | p3lim | hm im trying to manipulate the blizzard nameplates |
| 00:35.25 | Amarande | Thrae: yet you three sentences ago claim that the only reason Dashkal could want that level of security would be to conceal illegal computer usage |
| 00:35.28 | Dashkal | I'm over-paranoid. This is admitted fact |
| 00:35.32 | p3lim | anyone have any idea where they are created? |
| 00:35.37 | p3lim | as in, what lua/xml file |
| 00:35.40 | Amarande | Right now? You need a secure network, unless you've bought an Authenticator. |
| 00:35.41 | Dashkal | why you care is beyond me |
| 00:36.02 | Tekkub | Dashkal, cause uhm, you brought the subject up? |
| 00:36.22 | Amarande | though really, it's a lot easier to just buy the authenticator than to worry so much about wireless security :P |
| 00:36.26 | mikma | p3lim: why not see how aloft does it |
| 00:36.26 | cbreak | p3lim: the "V" nameplates? |
| 00:36.29 | Dashkal | Tekkub: not quite what I meant by that. He seems to think I'm somehow "doing it wrong" and needs to sling veiled insults to correct me |
| 00:36.33 | p3lim | cbreak: yes |
| 00:36.34 | Thrae | cbreak: You may believe what you want. |
| 00:36.42 | Dashkal | I should have said "care so much" |
| 00:36.49 | cbreak | it's not a belief, it's a fact :) |
| 00:36.49 | p3lim | mikma: i dont need to see how aloft does it |
| 00:36.54 | p3lim | id like to see how blizzard does it |
| 00:36.56 | Tekkub | oh the insult thing, meh ignore that crap and let them sling it out |
| 00:37.05 | Amarande | anyway, let's calm down about this before Cairenn smacks us about with an ilvl 213 epic staff |
| 00:37.11 | Tekkub | if there's a nice heated moment, try to poke em in the ribs and make it better |
| 00:37.13 | p3lim | i know how i can get to them, i just wanna know what regions it has |
| 00:37.15 | p3lim | and children |
| 00:37.22 | cbreak | just the proposal to use tor through freenet is ridiculous... |
| 00:37.34 | Dewin | they're protected aren't they? |
| 00:37.38 | p3lim | i got the frame, but none of the children/regions has frame names (since they are either textures or fontstrings) |
| 00:37.40 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: you will never see how blizzard does them |
| 00:37.43 | Dashkal | tor through freenet.... slowest, packet, round-trip, EVER |
| 00:37.45 | Tekkub | I mean, they're not even paying attention to the rest of us anyway |
| 00:37.49 | p3lim | tried various prints, but it didnt help |
| 00:37.53 | Dashkal | strike that, IP over carrier pigeon would be slower |
| 00:37.54 | Thrae | Dashkal: I'm not trying to insult you, I just think you're crazy. |
| 00:38.09 | Thrae | But not looney-bin crazy! That's different. |
| 00:38.12 | Dashkal | Thrae: we are agreed that my tolerance for risk is well below average |
| 00:38.24 | mikma | thrae: can i try now? |
| 00:38.39 | cbreak | Dashkal: you haven't seen the newest freenet :) |
| 00:38.41 | p3lim | Arrowmaster: they must have been created somewhere |
| 00:38.54 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: by C |
| 00:38.57 | Dashkal | cbreak: oh? something newer than the 0.7 line they had last time I looked into it? |
| 00:39.00 | mikma | dashkal: you are out your mind! crazy! whacho! |
| 00:39.03 | cbreak | unless your cat density is high, pigeons should get the job done faster. |
| 00:39.08 | Thrae | I have an NSA agent living across the street and I'm not worried about them snooping my network. |
| 00:39.09 | p3lim | Arrowmaster: bleh |
| 00:39.11 | Dashkal | mikma: also true, but unrelated :p |
| 00:39.12 | cbreak | there are new revisions every few days |
| 00:39.19 | p3lim | but how did people find out how to get to them? |
| 00:39.22 | p3lim | they read purged code? |
| 00:39.29 | Dashkal | revs I saw often, but I mean the 0.7 design. Better than the old 0.5 line, but meh. inserts took a LONG time |
| 00:39.33 | Thrae | Then again, I give her a christmas card. |
| 00:39.35 | mikma | dashkal: ya, you just needed someone to say that =) |
| 00:39.36 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:39.39 | p3lim | what then |
| 00:39.44 | Dashkal | mikma: :p |
| 00:39.50 | Arrowmaster | they just searched and found a way |
| 00:39.56 | Dashkal | retrievals if nobody near you had the chunks... I got similar downloads on dialup |
| 00:40.19 | Thrae | ...Oh crap, she just IM'd me and said I forgot last year...wait...how did she get my handle? |
| 00:40.26 | Dashkal | freenet was always more facinating to me from a design point of view |
| 00:40.57 | cbreak | I'd love to see how it works in a reasonably sized network |
| 00:42.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: zomg. if you start running now, you might have enough head start to make it really awesome when the feds tackle you |
| 00:42.42 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: ...I'm giving her your nick on here to trace. |
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| 00:42.55 | Amarande | Paranoia strikes deep ... Into your life it will creep ... |
| 00:43.00 | kamdis | Been away for an hour, when I get back all I see is "ur stupid" "No, ur stupid". Heh. |
| 00:43.01 | Dashkal | cbreak: did it shrink? back when I looked into it they had quite a few nodes. |
| 00:43.10 | Dashkal | hundreds at least. |
| 00:43.18 | kamdis | God bless IRC. |
| 00:43.20 | cbreak | current estimate is about one thousand. |
| 00:43.28 | Dashkal | cbreak: nice |
| 00:43.36 | cbreak | but I have no idea how that estimate is created |
| 00:43.43 | Amarande | dammit |
| 00:43.47 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: lol, feds tackle |
| 00:43.53 | Dashkal | When I do my next upgrade and get a spare box, I'll prolly set aside some space for a freenet node again |
| 00:43.54 | Amarande | Thrae, now you're gonna make me listen to Buffalo Springfield |
| 00:44.09 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: yeah, they'd probably just shoot him down |
| 00:45.41 | Tem | Shirik, I think I still it in my phone, why? |
| 00:46.44 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: no, TAZE HIM BRO |
| 00:47.53 | Shirik | Tem: Get to that in a sec |
| 00:48.03 | Tem | ? |
| 00:48.04 | Shirik | Anyway, one of my guildies logs on cursing at mcdonalds |
| 00:48.10 | Amarande | gah |
| 00:48.15 | Shirik | it takes me a while to figure out just whath e's talking about, but I finally figured it out |
| 00:48.16 | Amarande | any of you particularly familiar with firefox? |
| 00:48.22 | Shirik | he's mad that the double cheeseburger on the dollar menu |
| 00:48.28 | Shirik | well, they took away one of the slices of cheese |
| 00:48.39 | Tem | ... |
| 00:48.40 | Wobin | so.. it's a double junior burger with cheese? |
| 00:48.57 | Shirik | they call it a "McDouble" |
| 00:49.02 | Shirik | the double cheeseburger now costs $1.20 |
| 00:49.11 | Wobin | cheese is under high demand it seems |
| 00:49.16 | Amarande | there's a triple cheeseburger now too |
| 00:49.20 | Shirik | that is literally the only difference, one slice of cheese |
| 00:49.21 | Wobin | he could always go to In and Out |
| 00:49.30 | Wobin | and order Extra patty Extra cheese Extra patty Extra cheese Extra patty Extra cheese Extra patty Extra cheese Extra patty Extra cheese Extra patty Extra cheese Extra patty Extra cheese Extra patty Extra cheese Extra patty Extra cheese Extra patty Extra cheese |
| 00:49.31 | Shirik | I don't see the big deal >< |
| 00:49.38 | Amarande | Wobin: they only sell things like bat bites and spider sausage |
| 00:49.55 | Tem | agreed, Shirik |
| 00:50.06 | Tem | it's not a big deal and your guildie is, imo, out of his freaking mind |
| 00:50.19 | Thrae | Shirik: If the WoW Forums have taught me anything, it's change, any type of change, is a bad idea. |
| 00:50.20 | Tem | now I'm hungry |
| 00:50.23 | Wobin | indeed |
| 00:50.28 | Wobin | I'm going downstairs for some brunch |
| 00:50.31 | Wobin | maybe pancakes |
| 00:50.31 | Shirik | anyway Amarande what do you need? |
| 00:50.36 | Wobin | maybe some french toast |
| 00:50.37 | Tem | so why did you want to know if anyone had your number still so I can go get some food |
| 00:50.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: i totally agree, frankly, this whole coming-down-out-of-the-trees business was just a bad idea |
| 00:51.31 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:51.38 | Shirik | I kinda lost my phone |
| 00:51.39 | mikma | tem: bollocks! |
| 00:51.42 | Shirik | but now in raid so I can't get up and find it |
| 00:51.46 | Tem | Shirik, lol. |
| 00:51.48 | NeoTron | Shirik: McDonald's doesn't even use cheese in the US |
| 00:51.57 | NeoTron | they use the plastic replacement called "American Cheese" instead |
| 00:51.59 | Wobin | Plastic? |
| 00:52.00 | Tem | ping me later and I'll call it |
| 00:52.02 | Wobin | yeah =( |
| 00:52.06 | Wobin | it's the same everywhere |
| 00:52.09 | Tem | for now, though, FOODZ |
| 00:52.12 | Shirik | ok |
| 00:52.20 | Wobin | I swear they have a company named "100% Australian" |
| 00:52.24 | NeoTron | aka fake cheese that remotely be considered a bastard relative |
| 00:52.28 | Wobin | so they can advertise 100% Australian Beef |
| 00:52.35 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: oil and water ftw. |
| 00:52.42 | NeoTron | in Sweden, they actually use cheese |
| 00:52.54 | Amarande | I've seen genuine american cheese (that doesn't have to be called pasteurized process cheese food) |
| 00:52.56 | Amarande | but I doubt McD's uses it |
| 00:53.13 | NeoTron | there's no product even remotely like "American cheese" and if anyone every tried selling it there (under some random name) it wouldn't sell and probably couldn't legally be called chese |
| 00:53.13 | Amarande | they probably use SandwichMate :S |
| 00:53.58 | Wobin | cheese in a can? |
| 00:54.06 | Wobin | now -that- is obscene |
| 00:54.13 | Wobin | aka spray cheese |
| 00:54.19 | mikma | i think ive heard about it |
| 00:54.34 | NeoTron | Wobin: actually... canned cheese is more like real cheese than american cheese |
| 00:54.36 | Shirik | it's not really "spray cheese" |
| 00:54.40 | NeoTron | it's actually cheddar cheese |
| 00:54.44 | Wobin | that's scary |
| 00:54.47 | Shirik | Have you ever used that shaving gel that gillette makes? |
| 00:54.52 | Shirik | It's like that |
| 00:54.54 | Wobin | Shirik: om nomnomnom? |
| 00:55.14 | Wobin | so highly compressed liquid cheese with a propellant? |
| 00:55.20 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:55.59 | Wobin | anyway |
| 00:56.00 | Wobin | LUNCH |
| 00:56.33 | Amarande | hmm |
| 00:56.41 | Amarande | I should skip this Springsteen track that's on my iPod. I'm in the wrong zone. :) |
| 00:56.58 | Shirik | anyone know if there's a raid warning when Malygos starts to do the channeling thing? |
| 00:57.24 | Amarande | hmm |
| 00:57.31 | Amarande | also, can I solo a group of three Jademir at 70 as a demo lock? |
| 00:57.38 | Amarande | or will I proceed to have the fun of having my bum handed to me by grey mobs :) |
| 00:57.49 | Amarande | well, two grey and a barely-green |
| 00:58.01 | cbreak | where's jademir? |
| 00:58.02 | Amarande | they're elite, and have between 62875 and 80925 HP |
| 00:58.26 | cbreak | the AQ opening quest line mobs near the green dragons? |
| 00:58.26 | NightHawkTheSane | i think you should try |
| 00:58.27 | Amarande | cbreak: jademir are the green elite dragonkin near the feralas, and I think also the ashenvale and hinterlands emerald dream portals |
| 00:58.30 | linear` | if i register an event thats already registered theres no negative effects is there |
| 00:58.36 | NightHawkTheSane | if you succeed you learn something, if you fail, we get to mock you |
| 00:58.59 | Amarande | for some reason the duskwood one only has the boss dragon, I'm not sure why :S |
| 00:59.25 | Amarande | ok, jademir are specifically the Feralas ones apparently |
| 00:59.32 | Amarande | not sure offhand what the Hinterlands and Ashenvale ones were called |
| 00:59.34 | batrick | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13275619299&sid=1 |
| 00:59.50 | NeoTron | l60 raid trash |
| 01:00.21 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:00.28 | Amarande | guess I'm gonna avoid them |
| 01:00.35 | Amarande | 1300-2100 on leather |
| 01:00.37 | Amarande | and I'm a clothie :S |
| 01:00.49 | Amarande | and that's when they don't use MS, that can do almost 4000 |
| 01:00.56 | Amarande | Non-crit. |
| 01:01.14 | Amarande | I only have ... 8827 hp :( |
| 01:01.55 | Amarande | Apparently, the Jademirs are said to be the most powerful old world non-instance, non-boss mobs there are right now |
| 01:02.21 | Arrowmaster | ive seen northrend elites with less hp |
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| 01:02.38 | Amarande | yeah, doesn't that Loque thing hunters are all after only have like 16k HP? |
| 01:02.42 | Amarande | wb Lopeppeppy :) |
| 01:02.53 | Lopeppeppy | Heyo. |
| 01:03.02 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I'm back from my shower, what should I nevermind about? |
| 01:03.35 | Amarande | I'm afraid to find out what Sholazar Basin chat sounds like when Loque spawns |
| 01:03.51 | Amarande | I imagine that every other line starts with F and the second word is 'you' directed at some or other LOL |
| 01:04.06 | Amarande | let's see, every hunter wants to tame one |
| 01:04.15 | Amarande | not only that, but you have to kill it for the second tier of the northrend rare game achievement |
| 01:04.31 | NightHawkTheSane | you dont have to kill it |
| 01:04.38 | Thrae | Fyou, the great Chinese scholar. |
| 01:05.36 | Amarande | Night: not for the first tier |
| 01:05.55 | Amarande | but once you do the first tier, the second-tier achievement that pops up is to kill ALL the northrend rarespawns |
| 01:06.08 | Amarande | which means you *do* have to kill Loque eventually to get it |
| 01:06.29 | Amarande | man, that achievement might be one you don't want LOL |
| 01:07.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, so it is. |
| 01:07.11 | NightHawkTheSane | thats an awesome achievement |
| 01:07.26 | Amarande | Night: just hope you never, ever need to group with a hunter after you get it :) |
| 01:07.37 | NightHawkTheSane | pfffft |
| 01:07.46 | Amarande | hunters are insane |
| 01:07.47 | NightHawkTheSane | if i ever got that i'd fucking link it to every hunter i passed |
| 01:07.48 | Amarande | sure, it's rare |
| 01:07.49 | Amarande | but ... |
| 01:07.56 | Amarande | it's really not that great a pet |
| 01:08.15 | Dewin | from what I've heard the 51 point BM talent is underpowered. |
| 01:08.39 | Dewin | I'm still a 53/18/0 BM, but the extra 2 points are going into Pathfinding because I'm a lazy bastard who likes his 10% movement speed buff |
| 01:08.41 | Amarande | from what I understand, it's basically a cat with a slightly better racial |
| 01:09.06 | Amarande | Dewin: from what I've heard even people who aren't getting exotics at all get that just for the pet talent points |
| 01:09.09 | Dewin | Amarande: The only difference I can possibly see... is if it uses Rake like cats do... Blizz supposedly upped the damage of all exotic pet special attacks by 10% |
| 01:09.31 | Amarande | Dewin: it doesn't use rake |
| 01:09.36 | Amarande | it uses some weird skill that does arcane damage |
| 01:09.42 | Dewin | Hmm |
| 01:09.44 | Arrowmaster | sounds like a bug |
| 01:09.47 | Amarande | although it does also share Prowl with a cat |
| 01:09.51 | Amarande | but, OTOH |
| 01:09.53 | Dewin | Then it might be worthwhile for high-armor mobs |
| 01:09.57 | Dewin | because magic damage ignores armor. |
| 01:09.57 | Amarande | Prowl is useless to it, because the arcane damage skill is ranged |
| 01:10.05 | Amarande | and Loque will use it before reaching the mob, thus unstealthing |
| 01:10.13 | TEM|afk | it's purpose isn't to be better |
| 01:10.16 | TEM|afk | it's just pretty |
| 01:10.25 | Dewin | The only use Prowl has with my current cat is it automatically turning it on 75% of the time when I change servers when it's supposed to be off. |
| 01:10.37 | Amarande | if you really want a rare pet, get a yellow worm |
| 01:10.50 | TEM|afk | I'd rather have a red bug mount |
| 01:10.54 | Dewin | My pet's rare enough where people ask me where the hell I got it and tell me it looks nice. |
| 01:10.59 | Lopeppeppy | I'd rather never see a flying pet again. |
| 01:11.01 | Dewin | And... it's just a regular cat. |
| 01:11.14 | Amarande | Lopeppeppy: what's wrong with owls? :( |
| 01:11.22 | TEM|afk | FLAP |
| 01:11.23 | Dewin | I tamed one of the lv6 cats in bloodelf land. I'm NE. |
| 01:11.23 | TEM|afk | FLAP |
| 01:11.28 | TEM|afk | *stab* |
| 01:11.32 | Amarande | only reason I'm not so sure if I'll get an owl on my hunter is that it's a pain in the ass to tame them due to swoop |
| 01:11.37 | Lopeppeppy | What Tem said. |
| 01:11.37 | NeoTron | my hunter has a carrion bird |
| 01:11.46 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, and line of site if I'm trying to click on the screen at all. |
| 01:11.47 | Dewin | TEM|afk: Try the hornets. bzzzzzzzbzzzzzzzbzzzzzzzbzzzzzzzbzzzzzzzbzzzzzzzbzzzzzzzbzzzzzzzbzzzzzzz*flyswat* |
| 01:11.48 | Corrodias | taming things is not hard with two freezing traps |
| 01:11.49 | NeoTron | screech + flap |
| 01:11.58 | Amarande | and if they don't have swoop, then they have deafening screech, which I believe also interrupts taming |
| 01:12.04 | Corrodias | place a trap, wait for the CD, pull, let them hit it, lay a second, step back, start taming |
| 01:12.31 | Dewin | I find one trap usually works |
| 01:12.32 | Corrodias | TAME LIKE THE WIND |
| 01:12.36 | NeoTron | melee likes screech a lot |
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| 01:12.40 | Amarande | BTW, did they ever fix the bug where pets that have a mana bar as mobs get utter suck stats as pets? |
| 01:12.42 | mikma | lol tem|afk, thats an owl! |
| 01:12.45 | Dewin | Melee likes my Call of the Wild. |
| 01:12.52 | Amarande | aka 'caster pet'? |
| 01:12.56 | Dewin | too bad it's 3.5 minute cooldown |
| 01:13.04 | NeoTron | i was being sarcastic |
| 01:13.05 | |pez| | So... where Murmur the boss is... is there a Kara key piece? :P |
| 01:13.05 | TEM|afk | Also, fuck those fucking cats that insist on fucking yawning every 12 seconds |
| 01:13.05 | Dewin | Amarande: I don't think it's a bug. |
| 01:13.11 | mikma | try the lava hounds! |
| 01:13.14 | NeoTron | *flap* *screech* *flap* *flap* *screech* |
| 01:13.17 | Amarande | Dewin: did that get done away with with the 3.0 pet changes, though? |
| 01:13.24 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: yes, behind & to the left |
| 01:13.25 | mikma | thump thump thump growl |
| 01:13.27 | Corrodias | okay, did they fix the stupid design decision that isn't a bug? |
| 01:13.30 | Lopeppeppy | |pez| yes, to the left as you're facing him, on a ledge against the wall. |
| 01:13.31 | Dewin | Call of the Wild? It's a talented ability my pet has |
| 01:13.32 | Corrodias | if that is more accurate |
| 01:13.56 | Dewin | 10% AP boost every 4 (talented down to 3.5) minutes. |
| 01:14.02 | |pez| | I need a quest for that though.. don't I? |
| 01:14.06 | Amarande | heh, isn't the blue-white lava hound super mega mega rare on horde hunters in particular? |
| 01:14.07 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 01:14.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: not really |
| 01:14.16 | |pez| | Awh, poop I guess XD |
| 01:14.17 | Dewin | Longetvity was originally just filler, but I'm really, really liking having it... hitting Bestial Wrath SIX times on one boss fight was pretty cool |
| 01:14.19 | Amarande | If I EVER get a blue-white lava hound |
| 01:14.21 | NightHawkTheSane | its absolutely trivial to get |
| 01:14.29 | Amarande | I am GOING to do the azuremyst/bloodmyst exploration achievements along with that |
| 01:14.29 | |pez| | I was there, and wasn't on the Kara quest... and, yeah. |
| 01:14.35 | Amarande | because I don't want to have to go back there later :) |
| 01:14.42 | Dewin | <-- Ryndel the Explorer |
| 01:14.54 | Amarande | not even so much the alliance area thing as how remote it is for horde |
| 01:14.59 | Amarande | nearest FP is what ... zoram'gar? |
| 01:15.06 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 01:15.08 | Amarande | or maybe felwood IF you have slow fall of some sort |
| 01:15.11 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: kara quest is fairly irrelevent anyway |
| 01:15.18 | Amarande | which i don't think a JC lock can get |
| 01:15.39 | |pez| | NightHawkTheSane: I want it XD |
| 01:15.51 | Amarande | anyway, yellow worm would probably be the most unique pet right now |
| 01:15.56 | |pez| | I'm on occasion, a completist. |
| 01:16.02 | Amarande | simply because there's only two, both rare, and both in areas not many people go to much lately |
| 01:16.05 | |pez| | and I want to be Kara "ready" :P |
| 01:16.18 | Amarande | and definitely not areas much of anyone goes to past 60 which is when you can get an exotic |
| 01:16.45 | Dewin | Amarande: I have yet to see anyone with the springpaw cat model besides myself and the SSO stablemaster |
| 01:16.46 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: >.> okay.. |
| 01:16.48 | Arrowmaster | wait theres worms pre outland? |
| 01:16.54 | Dewin | seen a few of the darker versions however. |
| 01:16.54 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: mostly in Silithus |
| 01:17.07 | |pez| | NightHawkTheSane: What, I hit 70 hours before WotLK came out... |
| 01:17.09 | Amarande | There's also some in and around Mara |
| 01:17.17 | |pez| | I wanna go do some of the "old" stuff. :P |
| 01:17.31 | Arrowmaster | err doh, i keep thinking of those things that are underground like in the netherwing mine as worms |
| 01:18.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: ravagers? |
| 01:18.22 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 01:18.27 | Amarande | and I think there's some worms in RFC too |
| 01:18.34 | Amarande | but regardless, you can't get them before 60 anyway |
| 01:18.56 | Amarande | Night: think he means the poison spitting burrow worms |
| 01:19.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 01:19.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ohh |
| 01:19.14 | NightHawkTheSane | crust bursters? or whatever. |
| 01:19.20 | NightHawkTheSane | are those even tameable? |
| 01:19.29 | Corrodias | they weren't in 2.4 |
| 01:19.40 | Corrodias | i know that means little now |
| 01:19.41 | Arrowmaster | guessing they dont count as worms |
| 01:20.56 | Dewin | considering the crustbuster animation is specific to its area and I doubt Blizzard wants to make animations for all areas, seriously doubt they're tameable |
| 01:21.28 | Dewin | btw |
| 01:21.30 | Lopeppeppy | If they are, they just don't come with that ability, that's all. |
| 01:21.39 | Dewin | Lopeppeppy: That's the only way they can move |
| 01:21.48 | Lopeppeppy | They they likely aren't tameable. |
| 01:21.51 | cbreak | tame al'ar and be done with it. |
| 01:22.11 | Dewin | btw: Tame Beast will report whether something is an exotic tameable even if you don't have the talent |
| 01:22.12 | Arrowmaster | why would you want a bad coder following you around |
| 01:22.18 | Dewin | err, not Tame Beast, Beast Lore |
| 01:22.49 | Dewin | I checked, wanted to see if it would report exotics as "Tameable (Exotic)" or simply "Not Tameable" to someone who doesn't have the talent, it does the former |
| 01:23.27 | Dewin | I know tamed exotics can't be called out if you unlearn the talent. What happens to the bonus 4 pet talents if you spec out of it? |
| 01:23.52 | Amarande | As far as I can tell, BTW, Moths and Wasps are the only mobs that can now be tamed, that couldn't before 3.0 and aren't Exotic |
| 01:24.30 | Arrowmaster | and whats a 'spirit beast' |
| 01:25.02 | Arrowmaster | oh nvm |
| 01:25.19 | Arrowmaster | its apparently what that exotic rare all the hunters are looking for is |
| 01:26.02 | Amarande | yeah, Loque is the only spirit beast currently |
| 01:26.10 | |pez| | he looks awesome XD |
| 01:26.26 | Amarande | too bad there's so much competition both from the bloody and beautiful sides |
| 01:26.39 | Corrodias | are the pets even vaguely equal or at least all viable now? |
| 01:26.49 | Amarande | and it's at LEAST a 37 hour spawn |
| 01:26.53 | Amarande | probably 48 I'm guessing |
| 01:26.53 | Pneumatus | is he the rare cat in sholazzar? |
| 01:26.55 | Corrodias | did they rectify the dismal situation as of 2.4? |
| 01:26.57 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. They haven't homogenized them all to boring like they did the classes. |
| 01:26.58 | Amarande | Pneu: yeah |
| 01:27.07 | Dewin | Corrodias: Cats are still the best DPS pet, despite being nerfed. |
| 01:27.08 | Pneumatus | killed him once :o |
| 01:27.13 | Amarande | Corrodias: they're all at least viable to use, at least for casual soloing |
| 01:27.23 | Corrodias | oh well |
| 01:27.26 | Amarande | I guess we wait for that guy who was reviewing pet families to give the WotLK pets a once over |
| 01:27.27 | Dewin | and gorilladins rock for AOE tanking. |
| 01:27.27 | Pneumatus | he has the most awesome model EVER tho |
| 01:27.28 | Corrodias | some day they might catch on |
| 01:27.35 | Amarande | Corrodias: however, on the good side |
| 01:27.42 | Amarande | at least they gave every pet type a unique skill finally |
| 01:27.50 | Amarande | including older pet types that hadn't had one |
| 01:27.53 | Corrodias | well, that's one step on the thousand-mile journey |
| 01:28.00 | Dewin | Sometimes when I'm having a bad night my cat comes pretty close to outDPSing me (I'm BM) |
| 01:28.15 | Dewin | The first couple pulls of plague wing in Naxxramas my pet was doing 51% of my total DPS. >.> |
| 01:28.21 | Amarande | the only trouble is that some pet types still aren't worth using if you want to be optimal |
| 01:28.25 | Amarande | like Spiders. |
| 01:28.29 | Corrodias | still |
| 01:28.30 | Amarande | at least, if you are BM |
| 01:28.34 | Amarande | if you aren't BM, then spiders can be ok |
| 01:28.43 | Amarande | if you're BM, then you'll be taking exotic pet simply for the talent points |
| 01:28.55 | Amarande | and silithids' special ability is 'same-but-better' vs. spiders |
| 01:28.55 | Dewin | <-- didn't take exotic. |
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| 01:29.15 | Dewin | At least one of those armor reducing abilities does *not* stack with faerie fire btw |
| 01:29.17 | Amarande | Spiders get a four second web. Silithids get a four second web that does damage too. |
| 01:29.19 | Dewin | so useless for raiding. |
| 01:29.20 | Corrodias | sometimes i wish i could look into the heads of the developers |
| 01:29.29 | Dewin | Corrodias: It's a scary place, don't go there. |
| 01:29.37 | Amarande | Corrodias: no, you don't |
| 01:29.50 | Amarande | didn't we ever tell you the tale? |
| 01:29.54 | Amarande | back in the day, Shiibot was human |
| 01:29.58 | Amarande | then he looked into the heads of the WoW developers |
| 01:30.08 | Amarande | and went completely and utterly mad ... even as a robot his mind doesn't work right sometimes |
| 01:30.13 | Amarande | which is why it spamms #wowuidev at times |
| 01:31.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: trust me, my head is no place for a person to be. |
| 01:32.13 | Corrodias | it's just that they've had things that every player who cares is unhappy with since the beginning and haven't done much about them |
| 01:32.48 | Amarande | Corrodias: you mean like the inability to easily sync friends lists between alts without an addon? |
| 01:32.57 | Corrodias | my only two examples offhand are from today's conversations, the clear inferiority of some pets and taurens' inability to use a number of mounts. AND THAT. |
| 01:33.08 | Amarande | or the inability to add alts to your guild |
| 01:33.14 | Amarande | without having to have someone do it for you |
| 01:33.53 | Hirsute | But, but, maybe your guild doesn't want your stinking alts in it... |
| 01:33.55 | Hirsute | ;) |
| 01:33.56 | Amarande | there should be the ability to create a scroll of guild invite and mail it to someone to have them be able to join without needing to be online at the same time |
| 01:34.25 | Amarande | I'm a bit fuzzy on how you'd do it securely though |
| 01:34.45 | Amarande | i.e., without letting hackers have the ability to grab someone's ginvite scroll and give it to their character to get into your guild |
| 01:34.58 | Amarande | BoP doesn't work, you wouldn't be able to mail it after creation |
| 01:35.03 | Amarande | BoA doesn't work, it would bind to YOUR account before mailing ... |
| 01:35.05 | Dewin | Amarande: How about just making it where talking to the guild creation NPC as a character when another character on your account has invite privileges into the guild allows you to invite yourself. |
| 01:35.22 | Hirsute | Just make it so you can create a BoA scroll to invite your own alts. |
| 01:35.45 | Hirsute | *shrug* |
| 01:35.49 | Amarande | and yes, I didn't initially quite grasp that BoP craftables meant bind-on-craft |
| 01:36.09 | nevcairiel | If you cant manage to be online at the same time as an officer, either the guild doesnt fit you, or you dont fit the guild =P |
| 01:36.22 | Amarande | I once wanted to make my GM a Frozen Shadoweave set as a gift |
| 01:36.28 | Dewin | nevcairiel: Or it's a private bank guild. |
| 01:36.32 | Amarande | then I realized I wouldn't be able to mail it after making it |
| 01:36.48 | Amarande | nevcairiel: yeah, private bank guilds, or guilds formed among circles of friends that don't have a lot of active members on at once |
| 01:37.10 | Amarande | for instance, my guild on Turalyon is, basically, only for members of a specific online community and RL family/friends |
| 01:37.25 | Amarande | we only have 42 people in the guild, and usually only 1-4 people online at a time at most hours |
| 01:38.02 | Pneumatus | eu or us :o |
| 01:38.44 | Amarande | US |
| 01:38.56 | Pneumatus | i'm guessing with that few people online ever, it must be social |
| 01:39.07 | Amarande | pretty much, yeah |
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| 01:47.14 | mikma | cairenn: muah muah i has a catty here |
| 01:47.23 | Cairenn | hmm? |
| 01:47.36 | Lopeppeppy | I win, my cat has me! |
| 01:48.07 | mikma | i am on sofa, i have my legs in a shape of o. cat sleeping in the middle |
| 01:48.09 | mikma | woohoo! |
| 01:48.14 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 01:48.59 | Amarande | cats FTW :) |
| 01:49.11 | Amarande | even if I usually go for something less ubiquitous on my hunter :) |
| 01:49.13 | Lopeppeppy | Kendra is pinning down the blanket over my legs. She approves of this message. |
| 01:49.21 | mikma | had the doggy sleeping next to my legs too, but she went somewhere |
| 01:49.28 | mikma | no, wait |
| 01:49.32 | mikma | shes back! |
| 01:49.59 | Amarande | I still have to be careful with one of my cats though |
| 01:50.06 | Amarande | she has an affinity for shinies |
| 01:50.12 | Amarande | and will probably lose my shiny things if I let her :P |
| 01:50.26 | Amarande | holy god, aggro radii get tiny at high levels |
| 01:50.35 | Amarande | I think I just had a Raging Thunder Lizard literally walk over me without aggroing |
| 01:51.28 | Amarande | I knew they got small, but I didn't think THAT small lol |
| 01:51.38 | |pez| | the landlords cat jumps in our windows, and makes the trashcan fall over. |
| 01:52.20 | Lopeppeppy | Move the trash can? |
| 01:52.54 | |pez| | Was more pondering getting one with a lid, so she can't smell the awesomeness inside XD |
| 01:53.25 | |pez| | and then we can have the cat visiting. |
| 01:53.32 | |pez| | It's a generally cute and awesome cat. |
| 01:54.00 | mikma | build a cat-sling |
| 01:56.53 | Lopeppeppy | I adore cats. I'd go stark mad without mine. |
| 01:58.35 | mikma | tony stark mad? |
| 01:59.01 | Amarande | so ... |
| 01:59.09 | Amarande | heirloom items can ONLY be acquired through PvP? |
| 01:59.14 | Amarande | or are there ones for PvE purchase as well? |
| 01:59.15 | Lopeppeppy | No. Stark raving they're coming to take me away to the funny farm mad. |
| 02:00.58 | mikma | you missed the joke =( |
| 02:03.08 | TEM|afk | Amarande, not at all |
| 02:03.16 | TEM|afk | Stone Keeper shards come from every instance boss |
| 02:03.24 | TEM|afk | (while your faction controlls wintergrasp) |
| 02:03.34 | TEM|afk | Also, you can buy heirloom items for emblems of heroism |
| 02:03.59 | mikma | heirlooms are rather funky |
| 02:04.03 | Amarande | I need to find out how well horde is doing on wintergrasp on my server heh |
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| 02:08.49 | Amarande | also, does the Teldrassil root trick still work? |
| 02:09.26 | mikma | what what? |
| 02:11.17 | Amarande | mikma: it's a horde trick to avoid Darnassus and get into Teldrassil |
| 02:11.19 | Wobin | This is terrible |
| 02:11.26 | Wobin | It's 34 degC |
| 02:11.31 | Wobin | and I just came back from shopping |
| 02:11.34 | Amarande | basically it involves climbing up a root and then dropping to your death so you rez on the Teldrassil graveyard and not the Darkshore one |
| 02:11.38 | Wobin | and am humming about "sleigh bells" |
| 02:11.56 | |pez| | in the snow? :o |
| 02:11.56 | Amarande | If you do it right, you even can explore Teldrassil unflagged |
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| 02:12.04 | AnduinLothar | "Rain drops are falling on my head..." |
| 02:12.16 | Corrodias | even if you die once, it can't be that big a deal |
| 02:12.23 | Corrodias | pvp death, i mean |
| 02:12.41 | Corrodias | although i guess not all classes can stealth... nm |
| 02:12.52 | Amarande | yeah, warlocks trying to run through a pvp area are super squishy |
| 02:13.01 | Amarande | hell, we're super squishy now even in normal pvp situations :S |
| 02:13.37 | Amarande | no anti-snares, no CC that works on players other than fear, and if we get kicked etc. while casting fear we basically can't even fight |
| 02:14.01 | Amarande | plus our armor's low enough that any pvp geared melee will get to zero us out |
| 02:14.02 | mikma | amarande: funky, or you can just run through darnassus =D |
| 02:14.10 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, those level 10s in teldrassil are a real threat. |
| 02:14.25 | Corrodias | i'd assume it's other players in darkshore who pose the threat |
| 02:14.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i once saw a s4 geared warlock taken down by a mob of level 10 nelf driuds |
| 02:14.32 | Corrodias | trying to get across the boat ride unmolested |
| 02:14.32 | Amarande | yeah, Darnassus is more of a pain than Teldrassil itself |
| 02:14.34 | NightHawkTheSane | it was scary |
| 02:14.42 | Amarande | especially since you auto flag the moment you go into darnassus |
| 02:14.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: yeah, true, those level 15s are MUCH worse. :P |
| 02:15.06 | Amarande | Night: we tried to do a thing once with the guild in Quel'dorei where we rolled level 1 draenei and tried to kill one of the guild's 70s |
| 02:15.18 | Wobin | pft, Hogger can tell you how bad it is to get mobbed by a mass of lower levels =( |
| 02:15.24 | NightHawkTheSane | I think the few times I've gone to darnassus on my horde toons, i've actually seen -MORE- horde there than alliance |
| 02:15.27 | Corrodias | NightHawkTheSane: i said other players |
| 02:15.38 | Corrodias | surely somebody over level 15 goes there once in a while? |
| 02:15.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: thats what i meant, the npcs are level 40 :P |
| 02:17.26 | Amarande | anyway, what I'm more concerned about is |
| 02:17.37 | Amarande | losing my way in darnassus, getting killed, and having to spirit rez at darkshore |
| 02:17.56 | Corrodias | i'm sure that, once you're in darnassus, you can find your body |
| 02:18.14 | NightHawkTheSane | "losing your way" in darnassus? the city isn't complex. |
| 02:18.23 | Lopeppeppy | G'night, everypeople. |
| 02:18.23 | NightHawkTheSane | and they have these things now. called maps. |
| 02:18.33 | Amarande | Night Lopeppeppy |
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| 02:18.43 | Amarande | Night: the root trick is guaranteed, though |
| 02:18.58 | Amarande | at least unless they nerf it |
| 02:19.10 | NightHawkTheSane | and far more trouble than its worth |
| 02:19.22 | NightHawkTheSane | you run in, tether the guards, run around teldrassil, run out. |
| 02:19.33 | Amarande | also apparently, according to wowhead, as soon as you get off the boat |
| 02:19.39 | Amarande | in the current version anyway, guards will *spawn in* |
| 02:19.44 | Amarande | and more and more will come until you die |
| 02:19.46 | NightHawkTheSane | that's false. |
| 02:20.50 | Amarande | I'm going to assume that any way I slice or dice it I get a repair bill, though. |
| 02:21.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i didn't. |
| 02:26.05 | Amarande | What level are Darkshore guards currently? |
| 02:26.11 | NightHawkTheSane | 40 |
| 02:26.23 | Amarande | Ah, so I probably won't even aggro anything on the way to the boat then |
| 02:26.30 | Amarande | seeing as I didn't aggro anything going into Theramore for that |
| 02:26.38 | Amarande | which means Azuremyst and Bloodmyst are trivial, too |
| 02:26.39 | NightHawkTheSane | there's some stealthed ones along the docks that MAY be slightly higher level, but nothing that hurts |
| 02:26.44 | Amarande | Teldrassil is the only one that's really a pain |
| 02:26.59 | Amarande | since I always remember never to fight back against guards |
| 02:27.11 | Amarande | fight back against guards, and you're honor points. :) |
| 02:27.30 | NightHawkTheSane | just don't dismount head straight for the portal, its not hard |
| 02:27.32 | Corrodias | you're getting flagged as soon as you step inside the capitol, if you do |
| 02:27.50 | Amarande | Yeah, I'm going to have to figure out a way not to get ganked between going into Exodar and going back to Darkshore |
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| 02:28.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ... wait 5 minutes? |
| 02:28.15 | Amarande | thankfully, as a lock, all I need is some isolated patch of water I can run to quickly |
| 02:28.19 | Corrodias | i'm not sure WHY i never took my druid out that way, but i have never seen teldrassil or darnassus |
| 02:28.20 | Amarande | seeing as locks can stay underwater forever :) |
| 02:28.39 | kd3 | raaah |
| 02:28.47 | kd3 | coming down from a caffeine high is painful |
| 02:28.54 | Amarande | not to mention, the only practical things that can chase down an underwater warlock unaided are a druid or another warlock |
| 02:29.19 | Amarande | you know what makes me laugh though |
| 02:29.27 | Amarande | reading that alliance city guards do 1000 damage a hit, at level 75 |
| 02:29.40 | Amarande | there are 60-62 elites that do more than that to a 70 :P |
| 02:30.01 | Amarande | *World* elites, too, not Bosses or instance mobs |
| 02:30.16 | kd3 | hai2u demon areas in winterspring/blasted lands |
| 02:30.33 | Amarande | kd3: actually I was thinking of the groups of three green dragonkin near dream portals |
| 02:30.41 | kd3 | ugh. bad memories of farming those bastards for the scepter of the shifting sands drops |
| 02:30.43 | Amarande | winterspring demons aren't so bad, especially since they usually appear solo |
| 02:30.44 | kd3 | both of those groups |
| 02:30.57 | NeoTron | kd3: they don't hit very hard |
| 02:31.00 | Amarande | I presume the BL ones are basically the same as the winterspring ones |
| 02:31.03 | Corrodias | i hope you don't mean the dragons around the emerald portals, Amarande, because those are Special. |
| 02:31.07 | kd3 | the bl ones hit hard |
| 02:31.10 | kd3 | very, very hard. |
| 02:31.10 | NeoTron | they hit for like 700ish or so (winterspring) |
| 02:31.11 | Amarande | Corrodias: I don't mean the dragons |
| 02:31.15 | kd3 | I went squish a lot as a mage |
| 02:31.21 | Amarande | I mean the green lizard-like guys that go around in groups of three |
| 02:31.25 | NeoTron | blasted ones are raid trash mobs |
| 02:31.51 | Amarande | smallest lizard has about 60k HP, the biggest has 80925 |
| 02:31.58 | NeoTron | also raid trash |
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| 02:32.26 | Amarande | say, does the scepter chain count towards kalimdor loremaster? |
| 02:32.31 | Amarande | (lemme guess, you need it) |
| 02:32.34 | kd3 | you don't need it |
| 02:32.50 | kd3 | and I'm pretty sure it does count |
| 02:32.55 | Amarande | although on toons other than my lock, I would like to do the parts that give me the water breathing ring |
| 02:33.11 | Amarande | you seem to give up less with the ring vs. the helmet or the hydrocane |
| 02:34.56 | Corrodias | problem is killing the wossname, guy in BWL |
| 02:34.56 | Amarande | I feel bad for horde trying these achievements on a pvp server though :) |
| 02:34.58 | kd3 | oh joy. fark: [Scary] That de-icing chemical that airports use to prevent heavy ice from accumulating on airplane wings and causing crashes? Yeah, there's probably not enough of that in the country to get through winter. Happy flying |
| 02:35.24 | Amarande | Corrodias: yeah, doesn't BWL -still- require you do the Ony cloak thing for all non-Paladins in the party? |
| 02:36.38 | Pneumatus | yup |
| 02:36.40 | Corrodias | i have no idea |
| 02:36.50 | cbreak | ice block! |
| 02:37.02 | Pneumatus | shadow flame will kill everyone at nef without the cloak or a pallybubble, or some other way of stopping it ticking |
| 02:37.13 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: lol |
| 02:37.15 | Corrodias | will it? how much damage does it do? |
| 02:37.25 | kd3 | last tick's in the 40k range, isn't it? |
| 02:37.38 | Pneumatus | final tick is 30-40k iirc |
| 02:37.52 | Pneumatus | we tried healing through it post-3.0 for the achievement and it failed :) |
| 02:37.52 | Corrodias | i guess that would be too much maybe |
| 02:38.18 | Amarande | what's the most health it's possible to have right now? |
| 02:38.46 | kd3 | tanks can get 30k-ish at least |
| 02:38.56 | kd3 | I've seen rogues in the 20s already |
| 02:39.34 | cbreak | I am at 17k with bok, pw:f and motw |
| 02:39.36 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/hambuga.jpg |
| 02:39.51 | Pneumatus | even casters in naxx25 level gear are gonna be around 20k raidbuffed with commanding shout |
| 02:40.22 | Pneumatus | there's definaly a final tick on shadowflame that hits for a lot :) |
| 02:40.31 | Pneumatus | guardian spirit could potentially save you also |
| 02:40.40 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: i've heard druids are pushing 40k.. |
| 02:40.55 | Pneumatus | yeh, 40k on a druid is fairly easy to get |
| 02:41.14 | cbreak | 40k? we could send druids to be trash in instances already. |
| 02:41.27 | cbreak | or maybe level 60 dungeon bosses. |
| 02:42.19 | Pneumatus | well, at least my 20k greater heals have a use now |
| 02:42.43 | mikma | cant remember did my friend say 54k or 45k with all trinkets and stufff on cooldown |
| 02:43.28 | Osagasu | And I felt proud of my 23k. :( |
| 02:44.07 | mikma | i feel proud of my 17k with frost presence at level78 =I |
| 02:44.22 | Pneumatus | our bear tank is something like 25k hp in casterform |
| 02:44.33 | mikma | yikes |
| 02:44.41 | mikma | add bear multiplier to that |
| 02:44.41 | Pneumatus | which equates to about 40k raidbuffed in bear |
| 02:45.03 | Osagasu | :( |
| 02:45.48 | Pneumatus | he's a JC, with 3x 41sta gems as well, which helps |
| 02:46.06 | Pneumatus | and like 250 sta in total over 2 trinkets |
| 02:46.10 | Osagasu | I'm sure |
| 02:46.14 | Osagasu | If he's a LWer |
| 02:46.15 | Osagasu | ...yeah |
| 02:46.18 | Osagasu | insane |
| 02:46.20 | Pneumatus | he's JC/LW |
| 02:46.27 | Osagasu | yep |
| 02:46.42 | NightHawkTheSane | nice. |
| 02:46.54 | Osagasu | My pally is Inscription/Enchanting |
| 02:47.24 | cbreak | I bet you have lots of fun getting resources for your trades :) |
| 02:47.43 | Osagasu | Makes enchanting convenient when you stockpile over 100 of each armor vellum leveling inscription |
| 02:47.43 | Pneumatus | 40k hp bear makes an awesome patchwerk offtank :) |
| 02:48.03 | Pneumatus | heh, my hunter is inscription/enchanting too |
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| 02:48.32 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:48.40 | Amarande | I should see if this bug in cartographer was fixed |
| 02:48.47 | Pneumatus | vellump 3s cost too much to make to be much use though :< |
| 02:49.06 | Pneumatus | due to stupid herb prices, armor vellum 3s cost like 20g to make |
| 02:49.11 | Amarande | Guild member is in Dragonblight and she's showing up on cartographer as being in felwood :S |
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| 02:49.30 | Osagasu | Vellum 3 is LK stuff, innit? |
| 02:49.35 | Amarande | and apparently she sees me as being in the ocean |
| 02:49.37 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 02:49.44 | Amarande | Osagasu: I think Executioner/Mongoose and one or two others need Vellum 3 |
| 02:49.46 | Osagasu | Then pass the costs onto the consumer |
| 02:49.47 | Osagasu | :P |
| 02:49.48 | Amarande | but mostly LK |
| 02:49.49 | cbreak | lich king herb prices dropped like rocks from the stratosphere on my server |
| 02:50.01 | Amarande | though I expect Mongoose to become a rarity, anyway |
| 02:50.10 | cbreak | about 2.5 gold per single herb, probably less by now |
| 02:50.10 | Amarande | not familiar with executioner mats, so I don't know about that one |
| 02:50.18 | Pneumatus | cbreak: the likes of Icethorn and Lichbloom are still floating around 150g a stack on my realm |
| 02:50.33 | Pneumatus | so like 7.5g a piece |
| 02:50.39 | cbreak | I think I get 6 gold for them a piece |
| 02:51.03 | Pneumatus | obviously for scribes they aren't worth using unless your short on rare pigment tho |
| 02:51.24 | Pneumatus | goldclover and deadnettle were about 80g a stack last i checked |
| 02:51.36 | Pneumatus | flasks are like 150g a pop |
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| 02:51.55 | Pneumatus | mana pots are about 60-70g a stack |
| 02:52.12 | AnduinLothar | srs? |
| 02:52.18 | AnduinLothar | i have a shit tonne from lvling |
| 02:52.26 | cbreak | I am a tailor herbalist, so I only sell herbs, don't use them myself :) |
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| 02:56.44 | Adys | i wish i knew that when i started grinding rep with kaluak... |
| 02:56.55 | Adys | you can pull the reef cows to the attracted reef bull |
| 02:56.59 | Adys | you just need 1 fish |
| 02:58.08 | Pneumatus | :o |
| 02:58.19 | Pneumatus | i always needed like 8/9 |
| 02:58.52 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.07 | Adys | so i started to kill the reef cow and blam quest complete |
| 02:59.28 | Adys | i guess everyone has their way to see what "repopulating sea lions" means haha |
| 03:00.01 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:00.04 | Amarande | I think I just discovered a bug |
| 03:00.21 | Amarande | I aggroed a guard in darkshore somehow |
| 03:00.29 | Amarande | and didn't attack it at all, just let my felguard do so |
| 03:00.32 | Amarande | and I don't seem to be flagged ... |
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| 03:00.49 | Adys | grats |
| 03:00.54 | Adys | you discovered a 1 year old bug |
| 03:01.08 | Adys | at least my bugs are more recent than that |
| 03:01.27 | AnduinLothar | lulz 10k holy light crit as ret |
| 03:02.18 | Amarande | Adys: I'm wondering why they havent nerfed it |
| 03:04.16 | Amarande | well, this is the first time I've actually really invaded alliance territory, outside the time I made the run to stockades |
| 03:04.24 | Amarande | and tiny short periods of time in Dun Morogh |
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| 03:04.33 | Amarande | so I haven't really noticed this before |
| 03:08.43 | Amarande | hmm, maybe it does flag you and the UI is bugged, though |
| 03:08.45 | Amarande | since somehow I got flaged |
| 03:08.52 | Amarande | and I know I didn't attack any alliance guards myself :S |
| 03:10.26 | Arrowmaster | you get flaged automaticly |
| 03:10.44 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: apparently, it looks like there's a UI glitch if only your pet attacks though |
| 03:11.05 | Amarande | since after my pet killed a few auberdine guards, I decided to make a run for it, never personally attacked any alliance NPC |
| 03:11.23 | Amarande | and when I reached Azuremyst, I discovered I had a PvP flag timer consistent with me getting flagged when pet attacked guards |
| 03:11.46 | Amarande | looks like you get flagged, but if only pet attacked, it doesn't reflect properly in the UI |
| 03:12.00 | Arrowmaster | odd, it should |
| 03:12.11 | Adys | wow |
| 03:12.14 | Adys | find the fail here |
| 03:12.15 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/hintlookatthebottomrightcorner.jpg |
| 03:13.08 | Amarande | "PH Texture"? |
| 03:13.29 | Amarande | well, also I usually prefer to move my game tooltip to somewhere that doesn't overlap other things, but you might not consider that fail |
| 03:13.35 | Syzgyn | lol http://www.wowhead.com/?search=ph+texture |
| 03:13.51 | Adys | this went live |
| 03:14.16 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=29734 |
| 03:14.18 | Adys | what the fuck? |
| 03:14.54 | Syzgyn | To be fair, those arent often targeted mobs |
| 03:15.10 | Amarande | what's "PH Texture"? |
| 03:15.13 | Syzgyn | Also, much h8 for having several mounts I want |
| 03:15.14 | Dewin | Placeholder Texture |
| 03:15.15 | Syzgyn | placeholder |
| 03:15.18 | Adys | placeholder |
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| 03:15.26 | Dewin | To be fair, Blizzard should have had a way to scan for anything still using a PH texture and fix it before release ;) |
| 03:15.33 | Adys | aye Dewin |
| 03:15.37 | Adys | thought they did that |
| 03:15.37 | Syzgyn | ^^ |
| 03:15.43 | Dewin | that's why it's full of fail |
| 03:15.55 | Adys | Syzgyn: i also got an albino drake ! |
| 03:15.58 | Arrowmaster | fyi youre out of fountain goldfish |
| 03:16.02 | Adys | and nothing else interesting |
| 03:16.11 | Adys | Arrowmaster: thats the fish for the kaluak thingy |
| 03:16.14 | Dewin | I have no unique mounts. |
| 03:16.23 | Dewin | Closest thing I have to a special mount is the gnomeaphant |
| 03:16.26 | Arrowmaster | oh the daily? |
| 03:16.27 | Syzgyn | Dont care about those, I could get onen if I wanted to drop 2k gold real quick |
| 03:16.33 | Adys | yeah the one i said was bugged earlier on |
| 03:16.47 | Syzgyn | Only rare mount I have is Attumen's |
| 03:16.48 | Adys | Syzgyn: red drake worth it, looks awesome :) |
| 03:16.52 | cbreak | Cpt. Placeholder was way more convenient than the boats. |
| 03:16.57 | Dewin | Am I the only one who cheats the Kalu'ak daily by shooting the bulls to pull them 50% of the way before I start tossing them fish? |
| 03:17.00 | Syzgyn | could get that one too, lazy/cheap |
| 03:17.11 | Syzgyn | lol dewin |
| 03:17.30 | Syzgyn | If I wasn't exalted I'd start doing that |
| 03:17.34 | Adys | cbreak: i still got the lament to captain placeholder :P |
| 03:17.45 | Adys | Dewin: see above |
| 03:17.48 | Arrowmaster | ive got a zg raptor, all 3 brewfest ones, and a blizzcon bear |
| 03:17.55 | Adys | [04:55:11] <Adys> you can pull the reef cows to the attracted reef bull |
| 03:18.07 | Dewin | lol |
| 03:18.11 | Dewin | never thouht about doing it in reverse |
| 03:18.20 | Adys | you can do it in reverse? |
| 03:18.28 | Dewin | I pull the bulls to the cow |
| 03:18.37 | Adys | like, without fish at all? |
| 03:18.43 | Dewin | oh, no, I still use some fish |
| 03:18.50 | Dewin | Like... 2-3 |
| 03:18.52 | Adys | how can you pull the bull then? |
| 03:18.57 | Adys | it goes friendly |
| 03:19.01 | Dewin | shoot first |
| 03:19.06 | Adys | (pulling the bull is an awesome expression) |
| 03:19.06 | Dewin | bring it to just before it leashes |
| 03:19.09 | Dewin | feed fish. |
| 03:19.28 | Adys | Dewin: send a fish to the bull, then pull the cow to him |
| 03:19.35 | Dewin | that'd work too |
| 03:19.39 | Dewin | It's the same thing really. |
| 03:19.49 | Adys | its less annoying! |
| 03:19.57 | Dewin | howso? this only requires paying attention to one target :) |
| 03:20.15 | Dewin | and I've had the bulls at least leash before making it all the way across, a cow might too |
| 03:20.28 | Dewin | so I might still need multiple fish |
| 03:20.48 | Adys | and i wont ever |
| 03:21.06 | Dewin | they must have a longer leash distance then |
| 03:21.09 | Adys | that said |
| 03:21.14 | Dewin | or you get more optimal selections |
| 03:21.15 | Adys | i found that out a hour ago |
| 03:21.26 | Adys | and I'm 100 rep away from exalted. |
| 03:21.39 | Dewin | I need a better way to get rep with them besides 2 dailies |
| 03:21.45 | Adys | i was all happy telling myself "this is the last day i do this #@!*" |
| 03:22.08 | Adys | Dewin: theres 3 |
| 03:22.13 | Dewin | where's the third? |
| 03:22.18 | Adys | at the third village |
| 03:22.19 | Dewin | Pups, fish, ...? |
| 03:22.25 | Adys | kaskala |
| 03:22.29 | Dewin | Ahhhhh |
| 03:22.30 | Adys | sorry, its not actually the village |
| 03:22.41 | Dewin | Yeah, I thought it was where the other sea turtle landed |
| 03:36.52 | Amarande | well, I guess in the end it doesn't matter now that I didn't get the halloween achievement this year |
| 03:37.22 | Amarande | I already know now that won't be getting What A Long, Strange Trip It's Been till 2010 anyway |
| 03:37.32 | Amarande | er, insert another I somewhere |
| 03:38.44 | Amarande | well, most likely not till 2010 |
| 03:38.56 | Amarande | unless I can somehow get all the Valentine achievements in the space of about five or six hours |
| 03:39.14 | Amarande | which is probably not possible with limiting debuffs/cooldowns |
| 03:42.54 | Amarande | hmm, assuming love is in the air is the same as it was this year |
| 03:43.04 | Amarande | anyone remember what the minimum amount of time needed to do all the achievement tasks would be? |
| 03:43.38 | Arrowmaster | i year |
| 03:43.40 | Arrowmaster | 1 year |
| 03:44.15 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're lucky. |
| 03:44.36 | NightHawkTheSane | a lot of the world event achievements are heavy on the RNG |
| 03:44.58 | Amarande | Night: I mean specifically for the Valentine achievement |
| 03:45.14 | Amarande | which I only have about 5-6 hours to get any progression towards in 2009 |
| 03:45.20 | NightHawkTheSane | and? quite a few of those are luck based |
| 03:45.46 | Arrowmaster | be happy the easter ones arent on the meta for the protodrake |
| 03:46.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: that did make me happy. |
| 03:46.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i just hope they adjust/remove some of the really obnoxious random ones from some of the metas |
| 03:46.30 | Amarande | Guess I'll be getting my protodrake in 2010 |
| 03:46.33 | Arrowmaster | i have the items from it and they wouldnt give it to me retroactively |
| 03:46.46 | Amarande | 2009, I'm going on a trip to Seattle, leaving the 12th and not back till the morning of the 18th. |
| 03:47.00 | Arrowmaster | i had them in my inventory during the 3.0 patch |
| 03:47.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: oh, really? >< have you reported it? |
| 03:47.43 | Arrowmaster | i did but it was part of another ticket |
| 03:47.43 | Amarande | The 11th is a Wednesday, so I know I work till 4pm, and I'll have to be asleep by 11pm or so in order to sleep well for traveling. |
| 03:47.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i know it retro-actively gave you credit for childrens week pets, so i dont see why it couldn't give you credit for shit like the blaack dress or whatever |
| 03:47.43 | NightHawkTheSane | also, apologies for my poor english. >< |
| 03:47.43 | Amarande | Which means the ONLY bit of the Valentine event I'll be seeing is from about 4:30 to 10:30 or so on February 11th. |
| 03:47.49 | Arrowmaster | well the black dress and stuff arent bop |
| 03:48.10 | Arrowmaster | but i did have them in my inventory during the 3.0 patch hoping |
| 03:48.11 | NightHawkTheSane | oh it isn't? i wasn't aware (never gotten one). |
| 03:48.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Well, if its not bop, that makes sense |
| 03:48.30 | Arrowmaster | yeah i oddly have all that stuff |
| 03:48.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i doubt they want to verify if you actually looted it yourself, or just bought it |
| 03:48.47 | Arrowmaster | all 3 from easter, both the dress and the pet from valentines |
| 03:48.50 | Amarande | yeah, looks like 2010 is a go |
| 03:48.56 | Amarande | for getting my protodrake |
| 03:49.06 | Amarande | since I don't think I travel for the near-entirety of any other world events :) |
| 03:49.07 | NightHawkTheSane | the pet it really ought to give you credit for, though |
| 03:49.23 | Amarande | Night: dates for 2009 world events are set in stone right now, right? |
| 03:49.31 | Amarande | at least I'm assuming they are, since they're on the blizzard calendar already |
| 03:49.57 | NightHawkTheSane | why would i have any more information than anyone else? |
| 03:50.03 | Arrowmaster | funny story about the pet, i was planning to do the thing where you make a bunch of level 1 alts and run them to the city to do the event to get past the 1 hour debuff to get the pet, but i got it on my very first try on my main |
| 03:50.40 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
| 03:50.56 | kd3 | yay for continuing the tradition of taking a screencap of anime and blowing it up to make a new wallpaper |
| 03:51.15 | Arrowmaster | whats your wallpaper now? |
| 03:51.33 | Amarande | I still haven't changed from the default Vista wallpaper |
| 03:51.35 | Tekkub | kd3... I'd do that with the show I watched last night if I could find it in better quality |
| 03:51.48 | kd3 | one screen is minorin from toradora in ep9 when she's alone with takasu, the other is from the sketchbook x365 ed |
| 03:52.01 | cbreak | nothing beats #808080 as background that stays out of the way and is neutral with everything. |
| 03:52.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i stick with APOD for my wallpapers |
| 03:52.46 | Arrowmaster | havent seen ep9 yet |
| 03:53.02 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:53.08 | Amarande | do moths need special fancy footwork with traps to tame? |
| 03:53.20 | Arrowmaster | or have i |
| 03:53.23 | kd3 | I took the dive and got coalguy's version. just waiting on qq/ggrain |
| 03:53.46 | Tekkub | kd3, this fight scene in perticular... http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/7/77/180px-Pompoko.JPG |
| 03:54.11 | Arrowmaster | ah ok i just noticed coalguys ep10 on TT and didnt realize it was a double week |
| 03:54.31 | kd3 | tek; rofl |
| 03:54.31 | bleeter | kd3: did you see my message that Spot Calloway's prepped an xmms2 for Fedora? :) |
| 03:54.35 | *** join/#wowuidev topsub (n=josh@cpe-075-176-027-152.carolina.res.rr.com) |
| 03:54.38 | kd3 | yes, yes I did |
| 03:54.44 | bleeter | kd3: I ain't tried building it |
| 03:55.00 | bleeter | a cool, saw who it was from and was 'ah, I don't even need to test that to tell kd3' :) |
| 03:55.12 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.38 | Tekkub | here we are, bigger one |
| 03:56.38 | Tekkub | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3129/3086304716_767576faa1_o.png |
| 03:56.46 | Tekkub | greatest anime battle evar |
| 03:57.00 | Tekkub | no fucking way bleach or naruto could ever come close |
| 04:00.28 | Shirik | omg |
| 04:00.39 | Shirik | !i Majestic Dragon Figurine |
| 04:00.46 | Shirik | !g Majestic Dragon Figurine |
| 04:00.47 | batbot | Shirik: Majestic Dragon Figurine - Item - World of Warcraft <http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40430> |
| 04:00.50 | Shirik | ^^^ So awesome! |
| 04:03.02 | ScytheBlade1 | batbot needs a !w |
| 04:03.03 | ScytheBlade1 | For wowhead |
| 04:03.19 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: 180 spirit? |
| 04:03.24 | Shirik | ya |
| 04:03.41 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 04:04.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Norsken (n=xkxaxn@84-217-0-131.tn.glocalnet.net) |
| 04:04.53 | Shirik | that's 40/150 mp5 |
| 04:04.56 | Shirik | + some healing |
| 04:06.36 | *** part/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@173-25-22-47.client.mchsi.com) |
| 04:06.39 | cbreak | spirit... bah... |
| 04:06.55 | cbreak | I looked at the badge cloaks in dalaran |
| 04:07.05 | cbreak | one had tons of useless spirit, the other tons of useless mana regen :/ |
| 04:07.18 | Amarande | cbreak: spirit is important now |
| 04:07.25 | Amarande | even I as a warlock will probably start looking more into spirit |
| 04:07.27 | cbreak | not for me |
| 04:07.33 | Amarande | especially now that I switched to Demo so I don't have Dark Pact anymore |
| 04:07.47 | cbreak | only str and agi are worth less |
| 04:07.51 | Corrodias | aren't you supposed to just life tap and make the healers work harder? |
| 04:07.52 | Shirik | Amarande: Spirit was always important |
| 04:08.04 | Amarande | Corrodias: you're not supposed to life tap without consulting healers |
| 04:08.07 | Amarande | actually, in many PUGs |
| 04:08.10 | Corrodias | >:D |
| 04:08.12 | Amarande | never even dark pact without consulting healers :( |
| 04:08.18 | Amarande | Shirik: for demo/destro, sure |
| 04:08.19 | Corrodias | i don't remember what dark pact is |
| 04:08.23 | Shirik | uh |
| 04:08.24 | Shirik | no |
| 04:08.25 | Shirik | for priests |
| 04:08.27 | cbreak | only spirit regen I have is with mage armor, at the cost of dps. |
| 04:08.49 | Amarande | Aff locks don't need spirit, since they have DP, but demo/destro do |
| 04:09.00 | Amarande | Corrodias: dark pact takes mana from your pet and gives it to you |
| 04:09.06 | Amarande | it's a deep aff talent |
| 04:09.23 | Amarande | generally, if you're aff, you use it instead of life tap in nearly all cases |
| 04:09.25 | Corrodias | why should healers care about your pet's mana? |
| 04:09.34 | Amarande | Corrodias: it's a different issue, mainly a problem in PUGs |
| 04:09.44 | Amarande | a lot of PUG healers will instinctively heal you when they hear you use life tap |
| 04:09.50 | Amarande | and dark pact has the same sound |
| 04:09.58 | Corrodias | sigh. they should open their eyes. |
| 04:10.13 | Corrodias | no matter, can't help incompetence |
| 04:10.16 | Amarande | yeah, a lot of my grouping comments happen to come from having a lot of experience with bad PUGs |
| 04:10.18 | Wobin | wwho heals locks when they lifetap? |
| 04:10.22 | Wobin | wtf? |
| 04:10.38 | Amarande | Wobin: well sometimes it's necessary |
| 04:10.46 | Wobin | then they shouldn't lifetap =P |
| 04:10.48 | Amarande | e.g., longer raid boss battles where the boss also has heavy AoE |
| 04:10.48 | Corrodias | as long as the healer isn't hurting for mana, it's a fantastic idea. it's a very favorable way of "exchanging mana" |
| 04:10.59 | Dewin | as a (low level) healer, warlocks drive me nuts. I'll be like, "okay, I can drink water now" and suddenly poof the warlock is at half health |
| 04:11.22 | Arrowmaster | used to have a druid that would heal me on firemaw while i played russian roulette with the RNG |
| 04:11.26 | Amarande | although fel armor giving life regen fixes that problem to a large degree |
| 04:11.42 | Adys | http://upload.wowhead.com/images/screenshots/107832.jpg lol |
| 04:11.56 | Amarande | the basic problem you'd get in raids would be if you had a boss that lives long enough that warlocks would need to life tap |
| 04:12.11 | Arrowmaster | which is every boss |
| 04:12.28 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: -and- which also has severe enough raid-wide AoE that said locks would need to be topped up after significant tapping |
| 04:12.34 | Arrowmaster | in sunwell gear i would go OOM in less than a minute |
| 04:12.58 | Amarande | basically, where the warlock needs to lifetap but will die from boss AoE if they're not healed from it |
| 04:13.00 | Arrowmaster | now im speced different and it takes a little longer i think but i still have to lifetap every fight |
| 04:13.07 | Amarande | personally, my favorite boss as a lock was prince |
| 04:13.27 | Amarande | locks <3 prince for a very simple reason |
| 04:13.29 | Arrowmaster | i used to heal myself on prince before they nerfed it |
| 04:13.33 | Amarande | you get automatically bumped to 1hp no matter what |
| 04:13.43 | Amarande | you get automatically FULL healed after the 1hp debuff wears off no matter what |
| 04:13.55 | Amarande | therefore, it's always to your best advantage to life tap the hell out of yourself when the 1hp debuff is coming |
| 04:14.10 | Amarande | which means a lot of happy fun reckless mana abuse :) |
| 04:14.35 | Corrodias | watch that damn threat, though |
| 04:14.41 | Corrodias | that could get fun |
| 04:14.49 | Amarande | Corrodias: ehh, we had a pretty good tank last time I was in kara |
| 04:15.00 | Amarande | the real problem was getting 1hp'd and then having an infernal spawn on you |
| 04:15.10 | Corrodias | i hated that fight. we all did. |
| 04:15.19 | Amarande | ehh |
| 04:15.24 | Amarande | prince was more fun than netherspite at least |
| 04:15.43 | Corrodias | no way! |
| 04:15.46 | Amarande | but then, picking gum out of the bottom of your shoe with your teeth is probably more fun than netherspite |
| 04:15.57 | Corrodias | netherspite was a beautifully choreographed fight, very few variables |
| 04:15.57 | Amarande | and no, before anyone asks, I have never picked gum out of the bottom of my shoe with my teeth :P |
| 04:16.02 | Amarande | I have, however, faced netherspite. :) |
| 04:16.11 | Amarande | Veni, vidi, victus, as they say. |
| 04:16.14 | Corrodias | i loved netherspite. prince can blow me. |
| 04:16.16 | NightHawkTheSane | netherspite is easy, fun, and trivial |
| 04:16.39 | NightHawkTheSane | prince is an exercise in how badly you can be fucked by a random number generator. |
| 04:16.53 | Tekkub | fuck, I just saw <We only Duo> |
| 04:17.00 | Tekkub | I may have found mah new guild |
| 04:17.07 | Amarande | Night: nah |
| 04:17.17 | Amarande | you know what a real exercise in how badly you can be fucked by a random number generator really is? |
| 04:17.24 | Amarande | being in a kara night that goes all the way up to chess event, on an aff lock |
| 04:17.31 | Amarande | being the ONLY cloth caster DPS in the group |
| 04:17.35 | Amarande | and having NOT A SINGLE PIECE OF CASTER CLOTH drop |
| 04:17.43 | kd3 | hate those nights |
| 04:17.44 | kd3 | hate hate hate |
| 04:18.00 | Corrodias | random loot system: ideal? questionable. |
| 04:18.07 | Amarande | not to mention, that had been my first successful attempt at getting a kara group in -weeks- |
| 04:18.35 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, im pretty sure prince is still worse than that |
| 04:18.47 | Amarande | With my luck that night, Prince, Shade, and Netherspite probably -all- dropped caster dps cloth |
| 04:18.55 | Amarande | simply because I didn't get to attend the completion of the run |
| 04:19.38 | Amarande | I was in Atlanta for Dragon*Con while they finished it |
| 04:19.41 | Corrodias | Night's right :( |
| 04:20.10 | Amarande | On the good side, we had only two boss wipes the entire trip through to chess event |
| 04:20.19 | Amarande | and managed to survive some pretty gross trash pulls |
| 04:20.35 | Amarande | but I've probably mentioned those boss wipes a few times |
| 04:20.51 | Amarande | First one was on Maiden because a hunter went out of the healers' LoS and got aced by holy fire |
| 04:21.09 | Amarande | other one was on Curator because, well, we had two tanks |
| 04:21.20 | Amarande | one tank could only tank Curator, and could not help DPS the orbs while doing so |
| 04:21.38 | Amarande | the other tank could both tank and help DPS the orbs at the same time ... unfortunately, we picked the first tank the first attempt |
| 04:21.58 | Amarande | I remember one was a warrior and one a druid and now I can't remember which was which |
| 04:23.40 | Corrodias | a hunter dying caused a wipe on the maiden? |
| 04:23.47 | Corrodias | lols :| |
| 04:23.50 | Amarande | Corrodias: probably we didn't have enough raid dps as we should |
| 04:23.56 | Corrodias | well this is true |
| 04:24.05 | Amarande | the guild whose raid it was had a -lot- of PUG subs on that trip |
| 04:24.15 | Amarande | for me, it was a trial to see whether I would fit into the guild |
| 04:24.25 | Amarande | since they were indeed a Tue/Wed kara guild aka BINGO at the time |
| 04:24.46 | Amarande | sadly, they changed to Tue/Thu |
| 04:24.53 | Amarande | which was not suitable for me, even though I did well in the raid |
| 04:28.23 | Corrodias | having no social commitments, i was able to raid any time. isn't that awesome? |
| 04:28.33 | WhiteWolf | depends on how you define "awesome" |
| 04:29.28 | Wobin | where "somewhat depressing in RL" == awesome? |
| 04:30.38 | Corrodias | yes. |
| 04:31.07 | Amarande | I am adamant personally about not dropping RL things to raid |
| 04:31.15 | Amarande | this is one of the major reasons I do not raid much, heh |
| 04:31.57 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:32.00 | Amarande | a level 1 orc warrior is /w'ing me |
| 04:32.04 | Amarande | I don't recognize the name |
| 04:32.17 | Adys | dont answer and report for spam |
| 04:32.54 | WhiteWolf | answer, ridiculing them for messaging someone of your greatness without addressing you by your proper title of "God of Warcraft" |
| 04:33.15 | Amarande | WhiteWolf: unfortunately, my proper title isn't "God of Warcraft" |
| 04:33.18 | Amarande | apparently, it's Jenkins :| |
| 04:33.37 | WhiteWolf | so much more fun when there weren't many titles ... <.< |
| 04:33.52 | Arrowmaster | ill have seaker soon |
| 04:34.20 | WhiteWolf | i have a handful of titles, but i chose not to display any of them, my name is short for a g'damn reason |
| 04:34.27 | Amarande | heh, they should give 'God of Warcraft' for getting all the achievement points |
| 04:34.49 | Adys | Tim, Champion of the Naaru as well as the Frozen Wastes |
| 04:34.51 | Dewin | how about "Needs A Life" |
| 04:35.20 | WhiteWolf | i think i have about 1000 points, all by accident |
| 04:35.22 | Arrowmaster | not even close to frozen wastes =( |
| 04:35.44 | Arrowmaster | i was late to 80 and now like nobody is doing heroics |
| 04:35.44 | Adys | its even better in bg tho |
| 04:36.34 | Corrodias | not doing heroics? where are they, then? |
| 04:36.43 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 04:36.49 | Arrowmaster | probably pvping |
| 04:36.53 | Corrodias | assholes |
| 04:36.54 | Adys | dont remember which serv that was but something like Quirpelenna, Champion of the Frozen Wastes - Altar of Storms |
| 04:37.28 | Amarande | Dewin: heh |
| 04:37.39 | Amarande | what happened in that South Park episode where they insisted on scoring a million in Guitar Hero? |
| 04:40.15 | Adys | that was the most fun i had in ages |
| 04:40.56 | Adys | devcub.com/~adys/void.jpg |
| 04:41.05 | Adys | er, http://devcub.com/~adys/void.jpg |
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| 04:42.27 | Arrowmaster | which is emerald? |
| 04:42.36 | Adys | healer |
| 04:42.42 | Arrowmaster | heh |
| 04:42.46 | Adys | ruby is tank and amber dps |
| 04:43.02 | Adys | notice the giant fuckton of whelps above eregos |
| 04:43.17 | Arrowmaster | i see now |
| 04:44.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: did you guys just kite him around then? |
| 04:44.08 | Adys | aye |
| 04:44.17 | NightHawkTheSane | how long (and how many attempts) did that take? :P |
| 04:44.32 | Adys | 2 attempts only, first time was like 5% wipe |
| 04:44.40 | Adys | but lots and lots of deaths :P |
| 04:44.58 | Adys | and prolly 15 min fight dunn |
| 04:45.00 | Adys | dunno |
| 04:45.08 | NightHawkTheSane | lots of deaths? |
| 04:45.14 | Adys | you can corpserun |
| 04:45.55 | Shirik | Recommendations: Mail client that operates on linux, console-based |
| 04:45.57 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, right |
| 04:46.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: pine? |
| 04:46.32 | Adys | .. mail |
| 04:46.33 | Adys | ? |
| 04:46.43 | Shirik | there's a program called mail? |
| 04:46.47 | Adys | yes |
| 04:47.01 | Adys | adys@azura:~$ mail |
| 04:47.01 | Adys | Mail version 8.1.2 01/15/2001. Type ? for help. |
| 04:47.01 | Adys | "/var/mail/adys": 2 messages 2 new |
| 04:47.09 | Shirik | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "mail". |
| 04:47.19 | Adys | what do i know I'm on debian |
| 04:47.46 | Adys | its installed by default for system-wide mails but configurable afaik |
| 04:48.10 | WhiteWolf | mail can actually just be a mutt clone |
| 04:48.17 | WhiteWolf | so you may as well install mutt |
| 04:48.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, i forgot about mutt |
| 04:49.12 | Arrowmaster | on my debian box mail is a syslink to bsd-mailx |
| 04:49.15 | Shirik | ummm |
| 04:49.20 | WhiteWolf | i doubt i could ever forget mutt |
| 04:49.29 | Shirik | if you type "ls -l" in your mail directory and it takes a good 5 seconds before it responds |
| 04:49.31 | Shirik | that's bad, right? |
| 04:49.38 | WhiteWolf | do you have a lot of mail? |
| 04:49.51 | Shirik | li23-154 new # ls -l | wc -l |
| 04:49.51 | Shirik | 19454 |
| 04:50.00 | WhiteWolf | then i'd say no |
| 04:50.23 | WhiteWolf | if you had almost no mail and you listed and it took 5 seconds i'd be more concerned |
| 04:50.32 | Shirik | I'm concerned that I have that much mail |
| 04:50.39 | Shirik | it appears that Shiibot is sending me an email every minute |
| 04:50.46 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 04:50.48 | WhiteWolf | find . -print | xargs rm {} ? |
| 04:51.08 | Shirik | why not just rm ./* ? |
| 04:51.23 | WhiteWolf | rm has an argument limit |
| 04:51.26 | WhiteWolf | it may be small on your system |
| 04:51.31 | Adys | From: shiibot@shirik. |
| 04:51.31 | Adys | Subject: I MISS YOU WHY DID YOU LEAVE ME |
| 04:51.34 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:51.48 | Shirik | I think it's about the wow serveralerts |
| 04:52.00 | Shirik | It's the only thing I have on cron at a minute interval |
| 04:52.20 | Adys | From: shiibot@shirik. |
| 04:52.20 | Adys | Subject: Please remind me why you make me work on this bs. |
| 04:55.00 | Shirik | It's more like |
| 04:55.02 | Shirik | Resolving launcher.worldofwarcraft.com... 12.129.242.21 |
| 04:55.03 | Shirik | Connecting to launcher.worldofwarcraft.com|12.129.242.21|:80... connected. |
| 04:55.03 | Shirik | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 04:55.03 | Shirik | 2008-11-22 11:17:02 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 04:55.22 | Adys | ~404 |
| 04:55.22 | purl | ERROR: 404 answer not found |
| 04:55.30 | Adys | ~403 |
| 04:55.30 | purl | methinks 403 is forbidden |
| 04:55.50 | Adys | ~whale404 |
| 04:57.58 | Shirik | ok this is strange |
| 04:58.46 | Shirik | this is what I'm getting (most recent) http://wowi.pastey.net/103786 |
| 04:59.17 | Dewin | I officially hate credit card comapnies. |
| 04:59.24 | Shirik | This is the script: http://wowi.pastey.net/103787 |
| 04:59.29 | Shirik | Anyone see why I should be getting output? |
| 04:59.30 | Amarande | Dewin: Too much debt? |
| 04:59.43 | Adys | Shirik: is your bot banned maybe? |
| 05:00.00 | Dewin | Amarande: BofA 'bought' one of my credit card accounts, which was 7.99% fixed APR, and now they want to bump it it to 23% APR. |
| 05:00.11 | WhiteWolf | it looks like you're getting the page just fine |
| 05:00.17 | Shirik | I am getting the page |
| 05:00.18 | Shirik | that's not the problem |
| 05:00.25 | Shirik | the problem is it's creating output which is going to cron and being mailed |
| 05:00.27 | Shirik | and that needs to not happen |
| 05:00.31 | WhiteWolf | whats your cron command |
| 05:00.35 | Shirik | I just pasted it |
| 05:00.35 | Dewin | pipe it to /dev/null ? |
| 05:00.41 | Shirik | I did |
| 05:00.48 | WhiteWolf | set wget to quiet |
| 05:00.51 | WhiteWolf | wget -Q i think |
| 05:01.15 | Dewin | wget ... > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 05:01.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: the entire financial industry is corrupt |
| 05:01.33 | WhiteWolf | wget supports shushing itself |
| 05:01.58 | Shirik | Dewin: See pastey |
| 05:02.26 | Dewin | ah, I didn't catch the second one |
| 05:02.52 | Shirik | !quit |
| 05:03.25 | Dewin | you're only piping one process's stderr out maybe? |
| 05:03.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Shiibot (n=Shiibot@WoWUIDev/Nospam) |
| 05:03.38 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shiibot] by ChanServ |
| 05:03.42 | WhiteWolf | you're not handling wget's stderr output |
| 05:03.44 | Dewin | I *think* you can do stuff like (wget -O - http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert > /home/mpdelbuono/spambot/alert && md5sum /home/mpdelbuono/spambot/alert > /home/mpdelbuono/spambot/USMD5) 2>/dev/null |
| 05:03.49 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:03.51 | Shirik | that's what I meant to do |
| 05:04.05 | Shirik | ah well, in theory wget --quiet should do just as well |
| 05:04.13 | WhiteWolf | yeah, -Q :P |
| 05:04.18 | Shirik | -Q is quota, btw |
| 05:04.18 | Dewin | depending on how quiet it is yes |
| 05:04.37 | WhiteWolf | ouch |
| 05:04.43 | Adys | wget --help |
| 05:04.45 | Adys | OOCH |
| 05:04.50 | WhiteWolf | suppose it depends on which version of wget you're using |
| 05:04.52 | Adys | thats almost as bad as tar |
| 05:05.04 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.07 | WhiteWolf | ah, -q is the short |
| 05:05.10 | WhiteWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.12 | WhiteWolf | little q |
| 05:05.19 | WhiteWolf | in any case, it's very quiet |
| 05:05.47 | Dewin | your cron job runs every minute? |
| 05:05.50 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:05.53 | Dewin | ouch. |
| 05:06.03 | Shirik | it's a simple script |
| 05:06.06 | Shirik | wget, md5 |
| 05:06.14 | Dewin | yeah, but I was thinking of the server hit ;) |
| 05:06.19 | Shirik | Shiibot checks the file whenever it feels like it |
| 05:06.29 | Shirik | eh, if they have a problem with it they can talk to me. They surely already have a ton of hits :) |
| 05:06.49 | Dewin | True. |
| 05:07.07 | Adys | er yea |
| 05:07.11 | Dewin | imho I'd check every 5 minutes unless the previous update found something of interes, then change to 1 minute |
| 05:07.17 | Adys | um |
| 05:07.31 | Adys | everyone opening their wow client sends a hit to the server |
| 05:07.36 | Dewin | I know. |
| 05:07.42 | Adys | i DONT think 1 hit / minute is going to annoy them |
| 05:07.54 | Dewin | Still wish there was a better way to do it, heh. |
| 05:08.15 | Adys | do what? |
| 05:08.53 | Dewin | polling for updates is never the most efficient way to do things, it's just sometimes the only way you can :-/ |
| 05:09.27 | WhiteWolf | it's not the most efficient, but often most practical |
| 05:09.56 | Adys | if you want you can make a wget script that will only read until the first \n |
| 05:10.03 | Adys | then parse that line and compare it with the last one saved |
| 05:10.11 | WhiteWolf | heh |
| 05:10.16 | Adys | that MAY be overkill for a 300 byte file? |
| 05:10.16 | WhiteWolf | the return file is only 700 or so bytes long |
| 05:10.42 | WhiteWolf | sending a HEAD and looking at the last update time would be only slightly more efficient |
| 05:11.01 | WhiteWolf | but if you end up wanting the content, you then have to send a GET |
| 05:11.05 | WhiteWolf | and now you're worse off |
| 05:11.11 | Adys | SEE |
| 05:11.15 | Adys | bad design implementations |
| 05:11.21 | Shirik | not really, WhiteWolf |
| 05:11.26 | Shirik | They don't change it very often |
| 05:11.35 | WhiteWolf | if you consider the set of ALL of the requests, then you get some increase |
| 05:11.37 | Shirik | I only want it once every time it changes |
| 05:11.40 | Dewin | do the server alerts even have detailed headers? |
| 05:11.47 | Shirik | no |
| 05:11.48 | Shirik | it says |
| 05:11.50 | Shirik | SERVERALERT |
| 05:11.52 | Shirik | at the top |
| 05:11.55 | Shirik | every time |
| 05:12.00 | WhiteWolf | what headers does the httpd return? |
| 05:12.01 | Shirik | I've never even seen it say something different |
| 05:12.05 | Shirik | I don't know why it's even there |
| 05:12.38 | Dewin | yeah, it returns headers |
| 05:12.40 | Adys | try feeding the wow client a serveralert with stuff written before SERVERALERT |
| 05:12.44 | Adys | i bet it wont read that |
| 05:12.46 | Dewin | Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:12:26 GMT |
| 05:12.53 | WhiteWolf | useful |
| 05:12.54 | Dewin | Last-Modified: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:52:41 GMT |
| 05:13.03 | WhiteWolf | a HEAD request would be slightly more efficient then |
| 05:13.34 | Shirik | only slightly |
| 05:13.40 | Shirik | question: Does it even RESPOND to a HEAD request |
| 05:13.52 | Shirik | full set of headers, btw: http://wowi.pastey.net/103789 |
| 05:13.56 | Tekkub | I respond to head requests |
| 05:14.01 | WhiteWolf | it's probably just apache |
| 05:14.13 | Shirik | In all honesty, I'm trying to keep my work to a minimum :) |
| 05:14.17 | Shirik | I coded this in like an hour |
| 05:14.25 | WhiteWolf | yeah, it's apache |
| 05:14.27 | Shirik | Trying to parse out the modification time would be a lot harder :P |
| 05:14.31 | WhiteWolf | they'd have to make some honest effort to disable HEAD |
| 05:14.53 | Adys | tomcat actually wasnt it |
| 05:15.07 | Dewin | it just says Apache, doesn't advertise. |
| 05:15.20 | Dewin | It might even be some customized software pretending to be Apache |
| 05:15.20 | Adys | where does it say that? |
| 05:15.27 | Arrowmaster | but they do give an ETag header |
| 05:15.28 | Dewin |  Server: Apache |
| 05:15.37 | WhiteWolf | it'd be VERY stupid to ues tomcat to serve just a static file, heh |
| 05:15.52 | WhiteWolf | use* |
| 05:16.00 | Adys | that doesnt mean people wont do it |
| 05:16.06 | Adys | ive seen worse from their dev team |
| 05:16.06 | WhiteWolf | truue |
| 05:16.06 | Adys | :P |
| 05:16.14 | Adys | webdev* |
| 05:16.42 | Shirik | I can't remember how to make a HEAD request, lol |
| 05:16.45 | Shirik | HTTP/1.1 HEAD /alert |
| 05:16.51 | Shirik | Host: launcher.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 05:16.53 | Shirik | what am I missing? |
| 05:17.06 | WhiteWolf | you need to include connection close |
| 05:17.15 | WhiteWolf | you're speaking http/1.1 |
| 05:17.38 | WhiteWolf | Connection: Close |
| 05:17.41 | WhiteWolf | iirc |
| 05:17.41 | Shirik | still 400 bad request |
| 05:17.52 | WhiteWolf | hum hum hum |
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| 05:18.59 | Shirik | lol I'm stupid |
| 05:18.59 | Shirik | it's |
| 05:19.02 | Shirik | HEAD /alert HTTP/1.1 |
| 05:19.30 | WhiteWolf | yeah, and wget -spider sends a HEAD request |
| 05:20.03 | WhiteWolf | --spider* |
| 05:20.24 | Shirik | I cheated |
| 05:20.25 | Shirik | http://web-sniffer.net/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flauncher.worldofwarcraft.com%2Falert&submit=Submit&http=1.1&gzip=yes&type=HEAD&uak=8 |
| 05:21.02 | WhiteWolf | hehe |
| 05:21.11 | Shirik | In the near future I may switchto a HEAD request |
| 05:21.13 | Shirik | no reason to atm |
| 05:22.10 | Shirik | it's depressing that my server is using less bandwidth than a 56k connection |
| 05:22.19 | WhiteWolf | seed some legal torrents |
| 05:22.31 | Shirik | Yet, for some reason, my IO rate is "20" |
| 05:22.39 | Shirik | 20 whats, I don't know |
| 05:22.40 | Shirik | but it's 20 |
| 05:22.49 | WhiteWolf | from what utility |
| 05:22.50 | WhiteWolf | and metric |
| 05:22.54 | Shirik | linode's disk rate graph |
| 05:23.10 | WhiteWolf | iirc that's io operations per second |
| 05:23.15 | Shirik | "Max 152.02 Avg 12.91 Last 11.91" |
| 05:23.28 | WhiteWolf | yeah |
| 05:23.52 | WhiteWolf | reads/writes per sec |
| 05:23.56 | Shirik | unfortunately I'm out of memory :( |
| 05:24.04 | Shirik | fricking java |
| 05:24.24 | Shirik | oh wait, I have 33M free right now |
| 05:24.25 | Shirik | whee |
| 05:24.33 | WhiteWolf | got like 2 megs of ram in that thing? heh |
| 05:24.42 | Shirik | a little under 500 |
| 05:25.09 | WhiteWolf | 512 with shared memory to the video card, or some other fancy magic? |
| 05:25.20 | Shirik | there's no video card that I'm aware of |
| 05:25.35 | Shirik | And a console should not take up any real space |
| 05:25.39 | WhiteWolf | well, they usually have some kind of video card for local access |
| 05:25.41 | Shirik | but if it did, that memory usage would not be charge to me |
| 05:26.17 | WhiteWolf | all my racked units are in IP-KVM, the intel integrated cards take like 4MB of ram |
| 05:26.29 | Shirik | clamd is taking up 25% of my memory and java is taking up another 15% |
| 05:26.41 | Shirik | sorry, 20% |
| 05:27.08 | Amarande | Shirik: I've seen java apps memory leak epically |
| 05:27.17 | WhiteWolf | s/java// |
| 05:27.21 | Shirik | well, fisheye is horrible at memory |
| 05:27.26 | Amarande | back in the day, I used to play java pool on yahoo |
| 05:27.38 | Amarande | until the day my PC crashed twice and I discovered it was due to out of memory both times :S |
| 05:30.57 | Shirik | yeah well |
| 05:31.00 | Shirik | expect it to keep up |
| 05:31.11 | Shirik | fricking everyone is switching to GCs without thinking about the consequences these days |
| 05:31.51 | Amarande | graham crackers? |
| 05:32.01 | Shirik | come to think about it, I think my final project had a huge memory leak in it |
| 05:32.07 | Amarande | global cooldowns? |
| 05:32.07 | Shirik | oh well, not important |
| 05:32.11 | Shirik | garbage collector |
| 05:32.20 | Adys | graphic cards |
| 05:32.53 | p3lim | go to bed! |
| 05:33.18 | Shirik | NOU |
| 05:33.25 | Shirik | wow |
| 05:33.28 | Shirik | that worked better than I thought |
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| 05:33.47 | Adys | lol |
| 05:36.22 | Amarande | I thought it was 'nao' |
| 05:36.22 | Adys | would there be any advice (or tutorial) where to look to create a fullscreen view of something? |
| 05:37.04 | Adys | say I just want to hide the entire screen and put a texture as background for example |
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| 05:38.39 | kmcguire | Would you guys know of anyway to query an item for it's stats? Or get the text to parse for stats. I use something like GetItemInfo right now, but it does not do quite what I would love for it to do? |
| 05:39.06 | kmcguire | I want to know for example how much armour an item adds, or what stat buffs it gives for instance. |
| 05:39.14 | Shirik | man |
| 05:39.18 | Shirik | pokemon had the best music http://www.vgmusic.com/music/console/nintendo/gameboy/PkmRB-Corner.mid |
| 05:39.24 | Shirik | I miss that game sometimes |
| 05:39.30 | Shirik | I still have pokemon yellow in my backpack |
| 05:40.11 | Adys | why cant vlc open .mids ? |
| 05:40.22 | Arrowmaster | because vlc sucks |
| 05:40.43 | Shirik | If I make a DK, what class should it be? |
| 05:40.46 | Shirik | er |
| 05:40.47 | Shirik | race |
| 05:41.11 | Adys | Arrowmaster: do give me an advice on what to use :( |
| 05:41.17 | Adys | I dont like vlc |
| 05:41.25 | Arrowmaster | mpc-hc |
| 05:41.26 | Adys | Shirik: gnome with pink hair |
| 05:41.32 | Shirik | horde |
| 05:41.41 | Adys | troll with pink hair |
| 05:41.42 | Wobin | do you care about racials or looks? |
| 05:41.45 | Arrowmaster | female orc |
| 05:41.53 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:41.56 | Wobin | go orc |
| 05:41.59 | Wobin | for the axe |
| 05:42.10 | Arrowmaster | and the +5% ghoul dmg |
| 05:42.15 | Wobin | aye |
| 05:42.35 | Shirik | but orcs are ugly |
| 05:42.41 | Wobin | go tauren then |
| 05:42.47 | Wobin | for warstomp |
| 05:43.36 | Shirik | f abilities I dont' care |
| 05:43.44 | Wobin | go for looks then |
| 05:44.03 | Wobin | taurens look badass in DK stuff |
| 05:44.18 | Wobin | belfs look ridiculous |
| 05:44.24 | Wobin | undead, well, meh |
| 05:44.28 | Dewin | So... IYHO,what's the "least evil" cellphone provider currently? :) |
| 05:44.43 | Wobin | Virgin? |
| 05:44.47 | Shirik | Verizon |
| 05:44.59 | Shirik | There is a serious problem with the randomized name feature when it gives me the same name 3 times |
| 05:45.01 | NightHawkTheSane | im a fan of t-mobile, but *shrug* |
| 05:45.30 | WhiteWolf | i'm a fan of gsm networks in general |
| 05:45.48 | Wobin | Shirik: "I'm sorry, but we've run all out of random today" |
| 05:45.49 | Dewin | what type of network is Verizon. I have them currently, we're considering switching off of them basically |
| 05:46.02 | WhiteWolf | they're one of two in the US to use CDMA |
| 05:46.08 | WhiteWolf | the other is sprint |
| 05:46.16 | Dewin | ah. GSM is the one that uses SIM cards right? |
| 05:46.22 | WhiteWolf | yes |
| 05:46.39 | Shirik | I have had no problems with Verizon's network |
| 05:46.40 | Dewin | Whiteewolf: Who do you use, and how's call quality? |
| 05:46.57 | WhiteWolf | Dewin: been on both t-mobile, and att... i don't have problems with either |
| 05:47.06 | WhiteWolf | currently on att, because of the wicked discounts i get |
| 05:47.35 | Dewin | Call quality meaning how clear people are in general (though I hear this really depends on the phone), not neccessarily dropped calls etc. |
| 05:48.06 | WhiteWolf | if i can place the call, it progresses without problems or difficulty hearing |
| 05:48.26 | WhiteWolf | i've driven cross country without dropping data connection once too, that was relatively suprising |
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| 05:48.47 | Dewin | My wife is pondering AT&T at the moment, since there's a $10 discount between them and Verizon and she likely can get employee pricing? |
| 05:50.13 | Amarande | And Kalimdor has been explored |
| 05:51.17 | WhiteWolf | Dewin: i've been with them for quite some time, and the only time i've had problems with voice quality was when i really screwed up my blackberry |
| 05:51.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Finally, 80 |
| 05:51.47 | Amarande | I don't know how many guards there are coming through the Rut'theran way, but coming from Teldrassil side you can get into Darnassus, get credit, and hearth out without even being seen |
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| 05:51.56 | Amarande | without even -seeing- a guard, at that |
| 05:52.22 | Amarande | by the way, does localdefense raise a 'darnassus is under attack' warning the moment a horde character enters, or only when they actually attack something in there? |
| 05:52.33 | Arrowmaster | only when they attack |
| 05:52.54 | Amarande | and if a guard attacks you and you don't fight back, that doesn't warn alliance either? |
| 05:53.02 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 05:53.46 | Dewin | Warning is only if you attack an NPC |
| 05:55.26 | Amarande | I figured it not best to stick around after getting flagged and to be really careful about flagging in Darnassus |
| 05:55.52 | Amarande | there were 20-30 types or so in teldrassil, doubtless they were talking in /g about the blood elf there |
| 05:56.14 | Arrowmaster | ive ran through darnassus a couple different times, never really had any problems |
| 05:56.29 | Amarande | yeah, for the most part I was more concerned about avoiding the level 75 guards and multiple corpse runs |
| 05:56.54 | Amarande | root-whomp costs a rez sickness, but might be worth it depending on population, I have no idea what things are like on Turalyon there |
| 05:57.57 | Amarande | plus if you get ganked by 75 guards in rut'theran, it's a real pita to get back |
| 05:58.11 | Amarande | whereas if you die (and you actually are supposed to die, lol) on the root-whomp method, dying gets you where you -want- to go |
| 06:01.07 | Amarande | I'm not entirely sure why dying in Rut'theran takes you to Darkshore, while dying by falling off a root gets you to Dolanaar |
| 06:01.32 | Amarande | I'd think the east side of Teldrassil was closer to mainland than the south |
| 06:01.47 | Amarande | oh dear lord |
| 06:01.54 | Amarande | someone started the anal thing again in /2 |
| 06:08.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: your head vendors for 4g 15s 18c |
| 06:09.12 | Dewin | that's all? |
| 06:09.37 | Corrodias | the anal thing? |
| 06:09.51 | Corrodias | this sounds like something i should be involved in. |
| 06:10.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: link a spell with "anal" before or after it |
| 06:10.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ie |
| 06:10.08 | Corrodias | quick, somebody reactivate my account and get me the name of that realm. |
| 06:10.12 | ScytheBlade1 | "Anal [Bestial Wrath]" |
| 06:10.13 | ScytheBlade1 | etc |
| 06:10.24 | Dewin | it's stupid as hell and drives me nuts ;) |
| 06:10.29 | Corrodias | why? :( just because it's stupid and amusing? |
| 06:10.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Because it was stupid and amusing for the first six linked the day we got 2.4 |
| 06:10.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Then it was old and boring and annoying |
| 06:10.54 | Dewin | because having 100 people spam the same stuff on trade at least once a day is annoying? |
| 06:10.55 | Corrodias | i get it |
| 06:12.37 | Mikk | i was bugging funkydude to add a block for anal.*spell: |
| 06:12.42 | Mikk | but he has never seen it himself |
| 06:12.45 | Mikk | lucky bastard |
| 06:12.54 | Corrodias | i played in 2.4 and never saw it either |
| 06:13.09 | Corrodias | we did see people pointlessly linking items. i hope that trend died. |
| 06:13.18 | Mikk | it keeps happening over and over on my realm |
| 06:13.25 | Mikk | on the plus side i just ignore anyone that does it |
| 06:13.38 | Mikk | seeing as how they're probably 13 years old and i dont want ot play with them |
| 06:14.25 | Corrodias | a little goofiness and suddenly you're considered an incompetent player |
| 06:14.38 | Corrodias | another WoW downer |
| 06:16.10 | Mikk | yeah well with 5 full pages of <kiddie> anal [Some spell here] intermingled by others screaming "STOP SPAMMING THAT ANAL SHIT FOR GOD'S SAKE" |
| 06:16.19 | Mikk | if you paste another anal, you're an ass |
| 06:16.34 | keias | we get that shit too |
| 06:16.44 | Corrodias | this is true |
| 06:16.51 | keias | Luckily for me, General Chat has became white noise. |
| 06:18.19 | Mikk | i actually was in 1. general for a while at the end of tbc |
| 06:18.24 | Mikk | then i hit northrend |
| 06:18.29 | Mikk | and promptly left it again >.< |
| 06:19.58 | Corrodias | i usually enjoyed General. the voice of the people. |
| 06:23.03 | Shirik | ~~~~ |
| 06:23.04 | purl | ARGH!!! STOP IT shirik!!! |
| 06:23.20 | Arrowmaster | ~_~ |
| 06:23.20 | purl | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 06:24.34 | NightHawkTheSane | >< 2300 dps, and i feel like im not doing as well as i could be |
| 06:25.41 | Gnarfoz | you're probably right |
| 06:27.05 | batrick | !lua local a = 1; function ___() return a end |
| 06:31.42 | Syzgyn | So where's the primo spot to level weapon skills now? |
| 06:33.52 | Arrowmaster | all immune mobs were fixed right? |
| 06:33.55 | Amarande | Syzgyn: probably wherever earth elementals that are too weak to worry about dying from at your level are |
| 06:34.12 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: *think* so, but I might be wrong, know the blasted lands ones were |
| 06:34.17 | Amarande | although I never took advantage of that |
| 06:34.22 | Syzgyn | I'm 80, and why earth elementals? |
| 06:34.35 | Arrowmaster | we had been using gargoyles in icecrown but they hotfixed it |
| 06:34.44 | Syzgyn | yea, I found those too late |
| 06:34.45 | Amarande | Syzgyn: earth elementals have high armor, so you can use a crapola weapon of the right type against them, and get a hella lot of swings in |
| 06:35.05 | Arrowmaster | you can also use the mobs running out of shadow labs |
| 06:35.17 | Syzgyn | I'm sitting in violet hold doing that right now |
| 06:35.33 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah that too |
| 06:36.01 | Arrowmaster | just focus and npc and make a /target focustarget macro |
| 06:36.21 | Corrodias | why do they have weapon skill that doesn't increase with your level? why make people grind such a simple thing... |
| 06:36.25 | Arrowmaster | er wait it was '/startattack focustarget' |
| 06:36.28 | Syzgyn | pfh, they hit for shit |
| 06:37.03 | Syzgyn | I'm just grabbing them and getting as many hits in before the NPC's kill em |
| 06:37.08 | Arrowmaster | yeah but you can just press that macro and not even look at your screen except every few minutes |
| 06:37.11 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 06:37.20 | Syzgyn | thats true |
| 06:37.32 | Syzgyn | the NPC's kill em really quickly though |
| 06:37.39 | Gnarfoz | http://www.veign.com/blog/2008/12/matrix-on-windows.html |
| 06:37.47 | Amarande | I think the last time I had to level a weapon skill I was messing with the earth elementals in Badlands |
| 06:37.58 | Amarande | Probably would move up to Outland earth elementals if those died too quick |
| 06:38.17 | Amarande | I did get some pretty stupid high amounts of skill up from just a few elementals, though |
| 06:38.39 | Syzgyn | It's fast up to the last 5 points |
| 06:38.59 | Amarande | hmm |
| 06:38.59 | Gnarfoz | as always :\ |
| 06:39.04 | Amarande | I just had a total WTF moment |
| 06:39.14 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 06:39.15 | purl | ~pong |
| 06:39.15 | Amarande | I turned in my Shattrath cooking daily, went to get my loot and: |
| 06:39.16 | Corrodias | hilarious, another joke about windows being confusing and unstable |
| 06:39.16 | Gnarfoz | (just finished my last weapon skill, 400 unarmed, on my ret pally :X) |
| 06:39.36 | Amarande | http://www.lunasanguine.com/images/WoWScrnShot_120608_013709.jpg |
| 06:39.40 | Shirik | god damn bright house |
| 06:39.43 | Shirik | how do they stay in business |
| 06:39.55 | Amarande | Goldenscale Vendorfish? :| |
| 06:40.04 | Amarande | that supposed to be that, or is that like <PH Texture> |
| 06:40.21 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 06:40.43 | Gnarfoz | it has its own texture, what's wrong with that :\ |
| 06:41.02 | Amarande | I mean, is that some sort of test item or something, or are those supposed to exist like that? |
| 06:41.16 | Gnarfoz | yes they've existed for the last 2 years |
| 06:41.52 | Gnarfoz | for someone doing fishing dailies, you don't seem to have fished much ^^ |
| 06:42.39 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: that was the cooking daily |
| 06:42.50 | Gnarfoz | uhm, right |
| 06:42.58 | Gnarfoz | yeah I meant that |
| 06:43.04 | Gnarfoz | barrel of fish -> brain fart -> fishing dailies ^^ |
| 06:43.57 | Amarande | and still no delicious chocolate cake :| |
| 06:44.15 | Amarande | the way my luck is, I could probably level to 79 off that daily and still not see cake |
| 06:45.19 | Gnarfoz | the cake is a lie |
| 06:45.20 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 06:46.30 | Amarande | and I pretty much have to move on to different achievements now |
| 06:46.37 | Amarande | seeing as northrend explorer is a good ways away |
| 06:46.44 | Amarande | and I've finished up old world and outland |
| 06:47.19 | Amarande | anyway. time to get some sleep |
| 06:47.21 | Amarande | night folks :) |
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| 07:02.05 | pastamancer | durotan horde needs more addon authors... I'm having trouble finding guinea pigs |
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| 07:04.16 | Shirik | my server has no authors at all :( |
| 07:04.29 | Shirik | so my guild is the guinea pigs |
| 07:06.14 | Syzgyn | My guild could care less about my addons :\ |
| 07:06.45 | Adys | what's the path to the questgivers' questionmark? the model |
| 07:06.51 | Adys | like the one pitbull uses |
| 07:09.03 | Shirik | 94uj6t 9-1QJWR9QJWDPSJAD |
| 07:09.10 | Shirik | 3 times in 5 minutes |
| 07:09.12 | Adys | than-- hey, wait |
| 07:09.13 | Shirik | I'm going to kill brighthouse |
| 07:11.08 | Shirik | hrm |
| 07:11.11 | Shirik | I'm still stuck in game |
| 07:11.14 | Shirik | even though I know I disconnected |
| 07:11.21 | Shirik | I opened up console, though, and it says some interesting things |
| 07:11.48 | Shirik | NetClient::handleDisconnect() -- CGlueMgr::NetDisconnectHandler: Disconnect Pending |
| 07:11.51 | Shirik | BUT I DO NOT DISCONNECT |
| 07:11.53 | Shirik | ...... |
| 07:12.18 | pastamancer | send the CHorses to the CGlueFactory |
| 07:12.51 | Shirik | in my quest to find a way to force logging out, I found an interesting CVar |
| 07:12.54 | Shirik | forceEnglishNames |
| 07:13.14 | Corrodias | *eyebrow* |
| 07:13.16 | Adys | alt f4 |
| 07:13.24 | Adys | what OS do you play on? |
| 07:13.28 | Shirik | Windows |
| 07:13.40 | pastamancer | Shirik: can't you SendAddonMessage a null to get dc'd? |
| 07:13.49 | Shirik | I didn't try |
| 07:13.57 | Shirik | but my understanding is that the server DCs you for that |
| 07:14.02 | Shirik | and I ain't in contact with the server |
| 07:14.08 | pastamancer | oh |
| 07:14.13 | pastamancer | you're screwed then |
| 07:14.22 | pastamancer | you have to ask the server permission to disconnect cleanly |
| 07:14.24 | Adys | you can force a game crash |
| 07:14.33 | Shirik | I just /script ForceQuit() |
| 07:14.40 | Shirik | which is not what I wanted |
| 07:14.41 | Shirik | but close enough |
| 07:15.16 | pastamancer | I've thankfully got a few healer friends in the top raid guild horde-side on my server, but they're not always available to test stuff |
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| 07:39.58 | NightHawkTheSane | hahaha.. |
| 07:40.22 | NightHawkTheSane | a guildy is doing a pug i guess, and she just said in vent.. "Okay, the warrior just said 'Someone has to keep the adds off me.'" |
| 07:41.12 | pastamancer | and that's why I don't pug! |
| 07:41.22 | NightHawkTheSane | in-fucking-deed |
| 07:42.19 | pastamancer | ...unless I'm really drunk |
| 07:42.32 | pastamancer | in which case I'm in the right mood to find that sort of thing hilarious |
| 07:53.20 | ScytheBlade1 | holy crap, you can just pick the flask herbs directly |
| 07:53.23 | ScytheBlade1 | nerfs inc |
| 07:58.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: eh? |
| 08:00.29 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: you heard me |
| 08:00.50 | NightHawkTheSane | i did, and the words you said make sense, but im not sure where the problem is :P |
| 08:01.00 | pastamancer | how else would you pick herbs? |
| 08:01.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm... shocked that they exist |
| 08:01.24 | pastamancer | what, like purple lotus and fel lotus? |
| 08:01.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Previously, the only way to get the flask herb (fel lotus) was from farming them off of other herb nodes |
| 08:01.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Random, low drop |
| 08:01.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Right |
| 08:01.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Now they have 100% drop nodes |
| 08:01.50 | pastamancer | it's more of an "alchemy has been marginalized" thing |
| 08:02.00 | Arrowmaster | black lotus was even harder |
| 08:02.01 | NightHawkTheSane | there are 100% drop nodes for frost lotus? |
| 08:02.12 | ScytheBlade1 | "you can just pick the flask herbs directly" |
| 08:02.12 | NightHawkTheSane | or rather.. there are frost lotus nodes? |
| 08:02.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 08:02.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i've never noticed them... |
| 08:02.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Only in Wintergrasp |
| 08:02.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ahhhhh |
| 08:02.53 | NightHawkTheSane | *sigh* why is there so much useful pve stuff in wintergrasp? |
| 08:03.03 | ScytheBlade1 | There is? |
| 08:03.13 | pastamancer | nodes, primals, herbs |
| 08:03.14 | NightHawkTheSane | mobs with a high drop rate for crystallized fire as well |
| 08:03.23 | Arrowmaster | do you get pvp flaged for entering wintergrasp on a pve server? |
| 08:03.26 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 08:03.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 08:03.27 | pastamancer | yes |
| 08:03.29 | NightHawkTheSane | it's a pvp zone |
| 08:03.32 | Arrowmaster | probably why |
| 08:03.41 | Arrowmaster | so people can fight over it |
| 08:03.46 | NightHawkTheSane | fuck that shit |
| 08:04.23 | pastamancer | people generally don't mess with you unless wintergrasp is up for grabs... at least on my server |
| 08:04.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 08:04.35 | ScytheBlade1 | You have one weak server |
| 08:05.46 | pastamancer | yes, durotan is pretty sad |
| 08:05.55 | NightHawkTheSane | pastamancer: seriously |
| 08:06.09 | pastamancer | for serious |
| 08:06.31 | pastamancer | the whole ruin battlegroup makes me sad |
| 08:08.42 | pastamancer | in TBC, horde-side progression was two guilds, and one open raid group... and only the top guild got to BT before the keys were removed |
| 08:14.27 | Shirik | in TBC, horde-side progression was one guild, and we didn't really do much in BT before the keys were removed |
| 08:15.06 | pastamancer | that makes me feel a little better |
| 08:15.45 | Adys | any idea what the dbCompress cvar does? |
| 08:15.47 | pastamancer | I'm with the open raid group, and we got leo first and then ran out of steam... we didn't do hyjal and bt until the keys were removed |
| 08:23.42 | Shirik | Adys: Compresses the DB? |
| 08:23.49 | Adys | why thanks |
| 08:23.56 | Shirik | np |
| 08:24.16 | Shirik | ~np |
| 08:24.17 | purl | from memory, np is \"no problem\", or \"null pointer\", or \"no pants\", or non-deterministically polynomial, or ¡ningún problema!, or \"Now Playing\", an abbreviation used by those lame mIRC/WinAmp plugins |
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| 08:55.55 | Patrick_P | anyone noticed find herb is going off when we die? do ya think it's working as intended? |
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| 11:07.54 | batrick | so quiet |
| 11:09.51 | Jamash | <crickets> |
| 11:11.02 | bleeter | WUT?! |
| 11:11.26 | Jamash | <chirp chirp> |
| 11:18.57 | Adys | <pew pew> |
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| 11:35.53 | bleeter | ~botsnack |
| 11:35.53 | purl | aw, gee, bleeter |
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| 11:45.13 | Tekkub | *sigh* |
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| 12:04.36 | Daedals | i'm trying to open a lua file, but all I can see is a single line of gibberish and then the program crashes ... (too long line) |
| 12:05.01 | Tekkub | get a better text editor? |
| 12:05.03 | Daedals | any ideas what the problem could be? different encoding? |
| 12:05.17 | Daedals | "better"? I have Notepad++ |
| 12:05.28 | Daedals | it should be good enough |
| 12:05.45 | Tekkub | in theory |
| 12:06.10 | Tekkub | are you sure it's really an lua file? |
| 12:06.26 | Daedals | yes |
| 12:06.34 | Daedals | because it's an addon |
| 12:06.39 | Daedals | and WoW can read it |
| 12:10.15 | Kaso | its prob obfuscated |
| 12:10.38 | Kaso | had all its newlines taken out to make it one massive line, most text editors dont like massive lines |
| 12:11.01 | Kaso | Which addon is it? thottbot? Bejewelled? |
| 12:11.28 | Daedals | ya |
| 12:11.46 | Daedals | it's propably that |
| 12:11.51 | Daedals | hm |
| 12:11.57 | Daedals | it's carbonite |
| 12:12.10 | Kaso | of course |
| 12:12.13 | Daedals | I would have wanted to examine the GPS system thing |
| 12:12.49 | Kaso | You're going to have to basically write some scripts to help make it somewhat clearer basically |
| 12:13.00 | Daedals | yeah I was thinking about that |
| 12:13.35 | Kaso | another way to do it is compile it then run it through a decompiler to get somewhat readable text, but i think luadec doesnt support 5.1 |
| 12:14.07 | Daedals | wordpad actuallu found the newlines lol |
| 12:14.17 | Daedals | but it's still mostly gibberish |
| 12:14.25 | Daedals | but there is some lines that make sense |
| 12:15.04 | Kaso | Its going to be a difficult task really, their entire aim is trying to stop you doing this. |
| 12:15.12 | Daedals | I know that :D |
| 12:16.09 | bleeter | seeing it (C) code, and they're going out of their way to protect their income stream, prolly not wise to talk about the specifics of deobfucating it's code in this channel |
| 12:16.37 | bleeter | some admin might get a bit touchy... I suggest keep the discsussion to the generalities of how to go about doing it in theory, rather than specifics |
| 12:16.52 | bleeter | ubs |
| 12:16.54 | bleeter | ibs |
| 12:16.56 | bleeter | damnit |
| 12:17.05 | Daedals | ye I see |
| 12:17.57 | bleeter | it'd be kinda like talking about how to decompile the game client back to C++ and ASM. Sure, talk about the theory of decompiling any code back to that, but not a specific commercial product ;) |
| 12:17.59 | Kaso | i guess its technically against the dmca to try to subvert obfuscation, but that law's a peice of crap, also im not american :p |
| 12:18.21 | Daedals | me neither |
| 12:18.46 | Daedals | I don't think there is a law in finland that tells me not to examine source codes |
| 12:20.59 | bleeter | probably comes down to who owns the source code |
| 12:21.08 | bleeter | but IANAL |
| 12:21.57 | bleeter | still just gotta be careful what one says on IRC about it, if (a) servers are in the US and (b) more importantly channel admins say stuff like 'though shal not discuss decompiling any speicific product' |
| 12:22.39 | bleeter | fwiw, I think some folks already have tried deobsfucating it and gave up, time/effort stuff |
| 12:24.15 | Daedals | my server is in the nethelands in europe IIRC |
| 12:24.29 | Arrowmaster | the carbonite file doesnt have any newlines, if wordpad found something it likely just corrupted the file |
| 12:24.59 | Daedals | kk |
| 12:25.03 | Arrowmaster | and you will never get that file loaded in an advance text editor, it crashes them all it seems |
| 12:25.30 | cladhaire | vim loads it |
| 12:25.45 | Arrowmaster | it crashed vim for me |
| 12:26.35 | Arrowmaster | well i got it loaded it SciTE but it was extremely slow and lagged |
| 12:26.53 | Arrowmaster | not really usable |
| 12:26.58 | Daedals | Notepad++ loads it but it's impossible to actually do anything to it |
| 12:27.16 | Daedals | but |
| 12:27.39 | Daedals | DOS program from the dark ages loads it with no problems |
| 12:27.47 | Daedals | it's called EDIT |
| 12:28.01 | Kaso | lol |
| 12:28.26 | Daedals | it's been built-in in every DOS/Windows since DOS 1.0 I think :D |
| 12:28.36 | Daedals | it can still be found in vista |
| 12:29.15 | Daedals | but well maybe I'll leave this thing here and go run some dungeons |
| 12:30.31 | bleeter | cladhaire: is it my imagination, or strings(1) ++ good? ;) |
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| 12:30.39 | bleeter | *or is strings(1) |
| 12:31.13 | Kaso | It kind seems like blizzard's removal of support for pre-compiled lua files was pretty futile. The obfuscated code people come up with is defacto compilation |
| 12:33.01 | Arrowmaster | the carbonite obfuscation has been decoded |
| 12:33.14 | Arrowmaster | the code still isnt readable though |
| 12:33.25 | Arrowmaster | but you can sorta look through it |
| 12:34.00 | cladhaire | bleeter: =) |
| 12:34.16 | Daedals | ahha |
| 12:36.25 | bleeter | cladhaire: my question is... who is t and why do they suck? |
| 12:36.46 | bleeter | ;) |
| 12:41.33 | Tekkub | you know which stats they should add... |
| 12:41.47 | Tekkub | number of instance portals jumped through |
| 12:41.50 | Tekkub | number of instance portals not jumped through |
| 12:44.56 | bleeter | number of instance portals passed through without entering/exiting instance due to server issues |
| 12:45.20 | cladhaire | lol |
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| 12:47.19 | Tekkub | number of "free instance hearths" used |
| 12:49.13 | bleeter | number of attempted logouts that failed due to server issues.. hang on scratch that one |
| 12:49.24 | ZorbaTHut | hey, finally, a cooking daily that isn't the damn mushroom meatloaf |
| 12:50.45 | cbreak | number of instances exited while in combat/followed by a horde of mobs |
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| 12:52.12 | ZorbaTHut | number of wipes that you blamed on lag: |
| 12:52.23 | ZorbaTHut | number of wipes that actually occured during a lag spike: |
| 12:52.52 | haste | number of PvP encounters lost that you blamed on lag: |
| 12:53.18 | ZorbaTHut | oh man, I know what stats I want to see |
| 12:53.27 | ZorbaTHut | Number of words spelled correctly: Number of words spelled incorrectly: |
| 12:53.30 | haste | number of KBs sent and recieved from the server |
| 12:53.52 | haste | that probably should have been MB at least :P |
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| 13:07.02 | zenzelezz | I wonder what data types they store the statistics as |
| 13:08.08 | zenzelezz | as a prot warrior I'm up to 300 M damage done, so DPSers would be way higher... so I'm guessing they have to use at least 64-bit values, unless they just don't care that much about the values wrapping |
| 13:09.45 | [dRaCo] | SQL bigint |
| 13:10.40 | [dRaCo] | from -2^63 (-9,223,372,036,854,775,808) through 2^63-1 (9,223,372,036,854,775,807) |
| 13:10.41 | [dRaCo] | _D |
| 13:12.10 | zenzelezz | sounds reasonable |
| 13:13.15 | [dRaCo] | I wonder if SQL supports unsigned bigint |
| 13:18.07 | zenzelezz | don't know about standard ones, but it looks like MySQL's at least does |
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| 13:30.44 | Arrowmaster | i doubt they use mysql or any of the other open source sql servers, probaly oracle |
| 13:31.25 | zenzelezz | yeah, but I tend to think that if MySQL supports unsigned, the big ones probably do too ;) |
| 13:31.45 | Arrowmaster | true |
| 13:32.17 | Arrowmaster | well goodnight im going to bed |
| 13:32.30 | zenzelezz | have fun |
| 13:39.46 | Nom- | Careful though... often unsigned in db's isn't what you think |
| 13:40.16 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 13:40.36 | Nom- | Pretty much MySQL is the only one that supports it iirc |
| 13:40.42 | Nom- | It's not actually part of the SQL standard |
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| 14:45.44 | zenzelezz | I so hate the Sons of Hodir wyrm riding daily |
| 14:46.30 | zenzelezz | doesn't matter how well you do the first part when it'll toss you into its jaws and have your Fatal Strike miss five times in a row |
| 14:46.30 | Pneumatus | you must be a clothie |
| 14:46.30 | zenzelezz | I'm plate |
| 14:47.01 | Pneumatus | you should have enough hp to open the jaws like 15 times and 1shot then surely :o |
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| 14:47.28 | zenzelezz | Pneumatus: I had 16 "mouth open" stacks in the end and the strike still kept missing |
| 14:47.52 | Pneumatus | fairly unlucky then :o |
| 14:48.28 | zenzelezz | the only problem with that daily is that the Fatal Strike miss chance seems much too high; juding from my experience and what my guildies say too |
| 14:49.34 | Pneumatus | do you dodge all the attacks in the first phase? |
| 14:50.02 | zenzelezz | varies, usually at least most |
| 14:50.18 | zenzelezz | but that doesn't change the fact that the strike easily misses four times in a row |
| 14:50.31 | Pneumatus | it means you have more hp to live through misses tho :P |
| 14:50.39 | Rageon | i'm thinking about macro limitations |
| 14:51.02 | Rageon | i was thinking if i can make a macro that tries to do heroic throw, and when it's on cooldown just /cast shoot |
| 14:52.11 | Pneumatus | sure |
| 14:52.29 | Pneumatus | /cast Heroic Throw |
| 14:52.31 | Pneumatus | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.45 | Pneumatus | if heroic throw is on cooldown it will fall through to shoot |
| 14:53.35 | Rageon | cool Pneumatus |
| 14:53.50 | Rageon | the syntax is easy but was wondering if the 2 spells where ok to ahve in the same macro |
| 14:54.26 | Pneumatus | yeh, you can have multiple casts, but only the first one to work will be used |
| 14:55.09 | zenzelezz | Pneumatus: trying that macro, all I get is "Abilty is not ready yet" after casting Heroic Throw |
| 14:55.19 | zenzelezz | IIRC macros stop if a cast fails |
| 14:55.37 | Pneumatus | hmm, maybe i did it another way, let me check |
| 14:56.52 | zenzelezz | maybe a castsequence with reset 30 and tons of Throws? Not too used to sequences |
| 14:57.42 | zenzelezz | well, not 30... since HT cooldown is 60 seconds x.x |
| 14:58.40 | Pneumatus | yeh, i did it with a castsequence on my warrior |
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| 16:23.31 | Kaso | http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DKK8bXG3vOmI&video2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D0YSF5SfqF2o |
| 16:24.20 | Fisker- | wtf is the point? |
| 16:24.43 | Kaso | it made me smile |
| 16:25.07 | Fisker- | i mean showing 2 youtube videos at the same time? |
| 16:25.22 | Kaso | There's al sorts of amusing combos you can make up |
| 16:25.32 | Fisker- | i am not amused |
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| 16:58.51 | Rageon | zenzelezz: it works but it will say not ready on shoot |
| 16:58.54 | Rageon | so you will get error messages |
| 16:59.06 | Rageon | you can get something like "roguespam" and edit waht it checks for to remove it |
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| 17:19.13 | zenzelezz | there's a certain irony to defeating Cyanigosa, saving Dalaran; and upon exiting the instance getting a "World server is down" message |
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| 17:50.05 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:19.13 | Hirsute | So, what do people here prefer, ATSW, Skillet, or something else? |
| 18:21.59 | Tekkub | PANDA! |
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| 18:35.04 | Hirsute | Panda, eh? |
| 18:36.09 | Hirsute | While Panda is, indeed, neat, it doesn't seem to fill the same role as ATSW or Skillet... |
| 18:37.01 | zenzelezz | you didn't ask strictly about that, only what people preferred! |
| 18:37.40 | Hirsute | zenzelezz: You have a point... |
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| 18:44.30 | Shirik | Quick, tell me a rep to go for, holy priest |
| 18:46.04 | Hirsute | kalu'ak? |
| 18:46.34 | Hirsute | Because their fishing pole is *amazing* |
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| 18:48.18 | Shirik | screw fishing |
| 18:48.23 | Shirik | give me something real to go for |
| 18:48.34 | Hirsute | Yeah, but you can actually kill stuff with their fishing pole! |
| 18:49.07 | Shirik | ... why? |
| 18:50.29 | Hirsute | Because it's fun to pwn stuff in the face with a fishing pole? |
| 18:50.57 | Hirsute | Honestly, though, I haven't ever played a priest, so I, like Keanu Reeves, have no idea. |
| 18:52.38 | Movix | welcome to my lvl1 reroll Minimovix that starts leveling, 3,430kg and 49.( cm ;) |
| 18:55.21 | Tekkub | I agee with the *amazing* |
| 18:55.34 | Tekkub | that little curve at the end hits the spot perfectly |
| 18:58.02 | Pneumatus | Shirik: wyrmrest revered or kirin'tor revered for the helm enchants |
| 18:58.16 | Shirik | Just finished wyrmrest |
| 18:58.21 | Shirik | what's so great about kirin'tor? |
| 18:58.27 | Pneumatus | their helm enchant is dmg/crit |
| 18:58.37 | Shirik | which is useless to me |
| 18:58.56 | Pneumatus | crit isn't useless for holy priests :o |
| 18:59.17 | Pneumatus | more crit = more clearcast/surge of light procs |
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| 18:59.27 | Shirik | surge of light already procs more than I can handle |
| 18:59.36 | Stanzilla | our holy priests even gem for crit :O |
| 18:59.44 | Shirik | then your holy priests are wrong |
| 19:00.17 | Pneumatus | respectfully disagreeing |
| 19:00.25 | Shirik | they should be gemming for spirit |
| 19:00.37 | Pneumatus | spirit is like the worst possible thing to gem for since 3.0 |
| 19:00.45 | Shirik | You're a nutcase |
| 19:00.45 | Pneumatus | you're better off gemming int if anything |
| 19:01.08 | Shirik | spirit is by far the most valuable stat for priests |
| 19:02.08 | Shirik | s/priests/holy priests/ |
| 19:02.11 | Pneumatus | you don't need to stack spirit when you're stacking crit as you end up with half your casts free from clearcast/surge of light |
| 19:02.28 | Shirik | I already get about a proc per spellcast |
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| 19:02.45 | Shirik | like I said, surge of light procs more than I can handle |
| 19:02.48 | Pneumatus | how much crit do you have at the moment? |
| 19:03.02 | Shirik | only 10%, which equals a chance of... |
| 19:03.26 | Pneumatus | 5% chance to proc surge of light, 4.5% chance to proc clearcasting |
| 19:03.29 | Pneumatus | a |
| 19:03.29 | Shirik | lua> 1 - (.9 ^ 5) |
| 19:03.32 | Shirik | wrong |
| 19:03.35 | Shirik | try again |
| 19:03.57 | Shirik | 20% chance to proc surge of light |
| 19:04.21 | Pneumatus | if you're critting on 10% of your spells, from that 10% 50% will proc surge of light |
| 19:04.27 | Pneumatus | 50% of 10% is 5% |
| 19:04.30 | Shirik | wrong |
| 19:04.34 | Shirik | it is 20% per spellcast |
| 19:05.04 | Shirik | there are 5 chances per CoH cast, equating to a crit rate of 1 - (.9^5) which is 40% |
| 19:05.13 | Shirik | equalling a 20% chance to proc surge of light |
| 19:05.35 | Pneumatus | if you're just using CoH you're going to come unstuck in the next patch |
| 19:05.43 | Shirik | What class do you play? |
| 19:05.47 | Pneumatus | holy priest |
| 19:05.56 | Shirik | Well, in the next patch we'll see who's right and who's wrong |
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| 19:06.16 | Shirik | Until then, I see no purpose to gearing for something that hasn't happened yet |
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| 19:06.20 | Shirik | And I criticize people who do |
| 19:06.30 | Tekkub | rabble rabble rabble! |
| 19:08.09 | Pneumatus | you don't have any mana problems at patchwerk then Shirik? |
| 19:08.15 | Shirik | nope |
| 19:08.55 | Shirik | Of course, holy priests have been healing wrong for somewhere around 2 years now, so it doesn't surprise me that the "coh people" would have problems on patchwerk |
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| 19:09.12 | Shirik | for some reason people are still convinced to (a) spam heals and (b) use flash heal |
| 19:09.24 | Tekkub | I heal with my panfs |
| 19:09.38 | Pneumatus | well, anyone that raided at sunwell level pre-bc still had brutallus which is essentially the same |
| 19:09.59 | Pneumatus | *pre-lk |
| 19:10.06 | opant | I use flash heal and proud of it |
| 19:10.23 | Shirik | if you're using it outside of surge of light consistently, then you are only hurting yourself |
| 19:11.03 | Shirik | This problem has been slightly mitigated due to the new 5sr rules, however it still will hurt you |
| 19:11.04 | Pneumatus | i only use CoH when it's going to hit 2+ people, otherwise its FH/GH and dancing around clearcast/sol procs |
| 19:11.23 | Shirik | why would you use CoH if it's not going to hit 2+ people? |
| 19:12.27 | Pneumatus | because with mental agility your CoH could potentially cost the same as FH with the added bonus of proccing SoL |
| 19:14.01 | Shirik | cost the same and heal for like 25% of the amount? Not to mention that it would be even more efficient with GH |
| 19:19.55 | Rageon | Shirik: wörd, i palyed holy preist pre tbc cleared everythign, then switched to amge in TBC and now prot warrior |
| 19:20.11 | Rageon | and i manged to teach my friend who now palys as mt healr in hour guild hwo to fucking heal |
| 19:20.36 | Rageon | rest of the preists are LIKE "wow CoH is so good my HPS rawks" and i go well i die after 3 mintues cus you oom, noob |
| 19:20.41 | Rageon | and they go get more evasion :/ |
| 19:20.46 | Rageon | ./facepalm |
| 19:21.03 | Rageon | luckily the friest i tought old-school healing carreis the weight of 3 spamm healers |
| 19:22.14 | Rageon | it apears taht when rpeists got CoH they forgot hte mana effiency of a few renews on stupid melee DPS |
| 19:22.26 | Rageon | or te nice shield and downranked greater heal (before fix/nurf) |
| 19:22.29 | Rageon | tards |
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| 19:27.09 | Amarande | gah. wouldn't be surprised now if I get a three day vacation from WoW |
| 19:27.43 | Amarande | apparently, I saw 'complaint registered' pop up after telling people they need to keep trying until the game's over instead of just giving up for the quick mark |
| 19:27.50 | Amarande | is 'QQ more' a ToS violation anyway? :P |
| 19:28.49 | foxlit | int sum; /* ... */ printf("%d %d %d", sum, abs(sum), abs(-765)); // -765 -769 765 |
| 19:29.16 | Shirik | you see the "complaint registered" on your screen if someone reports you? |
| 19:29.20 | Amarande | foxlit: am I not getting the spirit of BGs correctly? |
| 19:29.26 | Amarande | Shirik: well, I didn't report anyone myself, soo ... |
| 19:29.43 | Amarande | apparently, people take it like kids in AV if you tell them to keep going till it's over |
| 19:29.59 | Shirik | foxlit: You sure that's an int... |
| 19:29.59 | Amarande | 'proper' AV appears to be that if you're losing, you give up and let Alliance kill Drek so you can move on to the next Mark of Honor |
| 19:30.24 | Amarande | wouldn't *giving up* be a ToS violation? |
| 19:30.25 | foxlit | Shirik: It's declared as an int. |
| 19:30.31 | Amarande | it could be argued it's a form of win trading :S |
| 19:30.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: no. and that IS the fastest form of aquiring marks. |
| 19:30.39 | Shirik | wait |
| 19:30.42 | Shirik | does abs return an int? |
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| 19:31.04 | Amarande | Night: so I'm an idiot for encouraging folks to play AV the way it should be played then :| |
| 19:31.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i didn't say that. |
| 19:31.33 | Amarande | I think it was like, 150 to 50 or so for alliance, and they had a mine |
| 19:31.34 | Shirik | yes there's an int abs(int) :/ |
| 19:31.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i just said the fastest form of acquiring marks is to win or lose fast. |
| 19:31.34 | Amarande | *I* went to get the mine back so we'd regenerate and they wouldn't |
| 19:31.36 | Amarande | they, on the other hand, wanted us to give up |
| 19:31.40 | Shirik | foxlit: Is that C or C++? |
| 19:31.44 | foxlit | Shrik: that's C. |
| 19:32.03 | foxlit | Also, for bonus points, printf("%d", sum == -765") // 0 |
| 19:32.10 | foxlit | er, one less " |
| 19:32.26 | Amarande | bah, now I probably have to stick around all day and not go afk at all in case a gm wants to talk to me |
| 19:33.03 | foxlit | Amarande: nothing happens as a result of those reports. Forget you got that message. |
| 19:33.18 | Shirik | 32-bit system, foxlit? |
| 19:34.36 | foxlit | Shirik: maybe. It's a proprietary cross-compiler generated code running on a proprietary simulator. It's supposed to be 32bit, but I should probably test that. |
| 19:34.56 | Shirik | If the ints aren't the right size, the printf could go haywire :) |
| 19:35.50 | foxlit | printf("%d", ((int) 1) << 31); // -2147483648 |
| 19:37.40 | foxlit | I wonder if the compiler picks up on that being a constant. |
| 19:38.28 | Shirik | most compilers should fold that |
| 19:38.41 | Shirik | though you're using some craziness :) |
| 19:39.05 | Shirik | something like this should be a valid test: |
| 19:39.23 | Shirik | volatile int i = 1; printf("%d", i << 31); |
| 19:42.14 | zenzelezz | why volatile? |
| 19:42.24 | foxlit | Forces it to actually store/retrieve. |
| 19:42.29 | Shirik | to ensure the compiler doesn't go "Oh, that will be 1, I can turn that into -214..." |
| 19:42.46 | foxlit | But no, still the correct answer |
| 19:42.52 | Shirik | I'm out of ideas then :/ |
| 19:43.06 | foxlit | -((i << 31)+1) is also valid. |
| 19:46.03 | Amarande | heh, my felguard just kept stumbling and almost fell down the TB flightmaster totempole |
| 19:49.20 | foxlit | Shirik: ended up being abs |
| 19:49.27 | Shirik | abs was wrong? |
| 19:49.40 | Shirik | How do you f that up, I could write that function in one line |
| 19:49.41 | foxlit | Yes, in that it's not |
| 19:49.47 | foxlit | Shirik: by being clever :) |
| 19:50.25 | Shirik | int abs(int i) { return (i >> 31)?~i+1:i; } |
| 19:50.32 | Shirik | (assumes 2's compliment) |
| 19:51.16 | p3lim | good place to farm stranglekelp? |
| 19:51.18 | foxlit | Hm, but now for the bonus point: how else could you check the sign bit? |
| 19:51.33 | Shirik | i & 0x8000 |
| 19:51.33 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:51.46 | Shirik | er, sorry |
| 19:51.52 | Shirik | I've been working with 16 bit systems too much lately :) |
| 19:51.56 | Shirik | i & 0x80000000 |
| 19:52.28 | foxlit | It somehow transforms -765 into -767 |
| 19:52.39 | Shirik | that does? |
| 19:52.50 | Amarande | when did the hall of legends stop having a white portal btw? |
| 19:52.50 | foxlit | No, the abs in here does. |
| 19:52.57 | foxlit | 3.0, Amarande |
| 19:53.30 | Shirik | Is it a 2's compliment system, foxlit? |
| 19:53.45 | foxlit | Should be. |
| 19:54.17 | foxlit | I'm tempted to think someone expected it to be little-endian and it's actually big endian. |
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| 19:54.38 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, evidently the entire WoW private server community got a wave of DMCA's recently |
| 19:54.54 | Amarande | I'm also going to assume that the epic medallion of the horde is a total waste of honor |
| 19:55.13 | Amarande | Scythe: I'm surprised they didn't get it before |
| 19:55.27 | Amarande | with the whole bnetd thing a few years ago as a precedent for blizzard ... |
| 19:56.19 | Shirik | ~weather KDAL |
| 19:57.00 | foxlit | Shirik: at least ~(a - 1) is a valid equivalent to -a |
| 19:57.03 | Thrae | Blizzard is just cracking down on private servers now to try and get people re-hooked on WotLK probably. I'm not even sure the private servers are 3.x yet, and/or can handle WotLK. It could also be showing Blizzard's age, that they are worried about people dumping payed WoW after all this time just to fool around on a private server (such as UO and RO). |
| 19:58.15 | Thrae | One thing private servers can give is nice old content. Want to remember the old days with a Level 60 cap and Molten Core was the best raiding experience? |
| 19:58.23 | Amarande | Thrae: more likely a new director got appointed in Vivendi Legal who demanded it though, I suppose |
| 19:58.48 | Thrae | Amarande: I dunno, Blizzard has been more shrewd recently, although that could be the work of Vivendi again. |
| 19:59.03 | Amarande | Never count the parent company out. |
| 19:59.10 | Amarande | Just like all the changes to D&D are all Hasbro's fault :S |
| 19:59.32 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/103833 |
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| 20:00.36 | Amarande | Speaking of D&D, did you guys hear about the latest at WotC? |
| 20:00.42 | Amarande | Apparently, Hasbro cut some of D&D's best talent |
| 20:01.33 | Shirik | foxlit: That's pretty awesome |
| 20:01.48 | Amarande | I don't like the way one of the guys talked about it, though :| |
| 20:01.54 | Amarande | Apparently, he called Hasbro "too east coast" |
| 20:02.16 | Amarande | since when did the West Coast become the Ultimate Land of Promise and the East Coast the Land of Suck? |
| 20:02.23 | foxlit | Shirik: but what the heck does it actually do, internally? |
| 20:02.32 | Shirik | still trying to figure that out |
| 20:02.35 | Shirik | there's an obvious pattern |
| 20:02.50 | foxlit | Seems that multiples of two work, everything else is two off. |
| 20:03.07 | Shirik | lua> bit |
| 20:03.08 | foxlit | ~(a+1) instead of ~a + 1? |
| 20:03.14 | Shirik | --> bit |
| 20:03.15 | batbot | Shirik: > nil |
| 20:03.18 | Shirik | >>> bit |
| 20:03.19 | Shirik | damn it |
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| 20:04.03 | Shirik | no can't be, because that would turn -2 into 0, foxlit |
| 20:04.14 | foxlit | --> require("bit") |
| 20:04.14 | batbot | foxlit: @ [string "return require("bit")"]:1: attempt to call global 'require' (a nil value) |
| 20:04.19 | Shirik | but it definitely seems to do with that last bit |
| 20:05.00 | foxlit | I also listed the positive->negative formula |
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| 20:07.04 | foxlit | But yeah, you're right: anything in that forum would affect every pixel, rather than every second. |
| 20:07.09 | foxlit | s/pixel/number/ |
| 20:07.10 | bnovc | is there something like getTargetName ? |
| 20:07.16 | Shirik | UnitName"target" |
| 20:07.38 | bnovc | Shirik: oh ok thanks |
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| 20:11.00 | Tem | ~ping |
| 20:11.00 | purl | ~pong |
| 20:11.42 | Amarande | heh, odd |
| 20:11.52 | Amarande | as a warlock, I've done more healing than I've received |
| 20:12.35 | Amarande | also, I apparently have 354 arena HKs |
| 20:12.41 | Amarande | even though I"ve never set foot in Arena |
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| 20:13.30 | Amarande | think they'll ever fix the stats? :) |
| 20:13.42 | zenzelezz | clearly that just means warlocks are seriously overpowered |
| 20:15.55 | Amarande | how hard are the LK 5-man heroics, btw? |
| 20:16.05 | foxlit | Some are easier than others. |
| 20:16.19 | foxlit | But if you must know, approximately this |----------| hard. |
| 20:16.25 | Amarande | foxlit: I've just noticed that even though the xpack hasn't even been out for a month yet |
| 20:16.43 | Amarande | and there's probably not THAT many 80's around, casters are already feeling the need to advertise their spellpower when looking for a heroic group |
| 20:17.33 | foxlit | Problem is, there's plenty of 80 casters around :) |
| 20:17.47 | zenzelezz | DPS is always more plentiful than healers/tanks |
| 20:17.48 | foxlit | So it's the usual "damn that gnome is doing it, I must too" situation |
| 20:17.59 | foxlit | zenzelezz: no tank shortage here, either. |
| 20:18.23 | foxlit | At least not yet. |
| 20:18.27 | zenzelezz | didn't say there is |
| 20:18.36 | zenzelezz | but there are fewer tank classes than DPS classes |
| 20:19.17 | foxlit | Mm, 4 vs 9. |
| 20:19.38 | NightHawkTheSane | healer shortage >< |
| 20:19.55 | Amarande | there's always a healer shortage |
| 20:19.58 | Amarande | I blame the soloability of WoW |
| 20:20.15 | Amarande | though having not tried to play a healer build solo since LK, I can't say how much it's improved or not |
| 20:20.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i blame the idiots who think pewpew is everything |
| 20:20.27 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: don't. |
| 20:20.34 | foxlit | We're better off with them pewpewing than healing. |
| 20:20.53 | zenzelezz | why do murlocs have a better dance animation than all player races? :-| |
| 20:21.12 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: sadly, true. |
| 20:22.43 | Amarande | is it still a huge pain in the ass to solo as a healer? |
| 20:23.33 | foxlit | I leveled a holy priest from 1 to 60. Back in 1.10! |
| 20:23.58 | foxlit | Wasn't _that_ much of a pain to begin with. |
| 20:24.23 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're not an idiot its not that hard, just a bit slower maybe |
| 20:25.03 | zenzelezz | I remember taking a priest from 1-57 on Discipline; with a rotation of something like PW:S, SW:P, wand, wand, wand, wand, wand, repeat |
| 20:25.38 | foxlit | Imp Renew > level 20 mobs |
| 20:28.06 | Amarande | zenzelezz: how much dying was involved? |
| 20:28.17 | zenzelezz | Amarande: not much |
| 20:28.46 | Hirsute | Anyone know of a way to determine what the music currently playing in-game is? |
| 20:29.02 | Amarande | Night: however, is it FUN to level as a healing build that doesn't dish out much compared to a DPS or even a tank? |
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| 20:34.12 | NightHawkTheSane | that depends on your definition of fun |
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| 20:50.23 | bleeter | haha, blizz have finally started doing takedown notices against private servers? sheesh talk about slow |
| 20:52.54 | bleeter | (insert quote marks where appropriate) |
| 20:52.57 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 20:52.58 | purl | rant rant rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>good idea</sub>rant waaa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR COFFEE <blink><h1>terribad idea<h1></blink> rant |
| 20:55.56 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, get people hooked on playing free priveate servers THEN shut them down |
| 20:56.26 | Amarande | bleeter, I more have to wonder what this says about the future of gaming |
| 20:56.33 | Amarande | whether the RPG genre is generally destined to decline |
| 20:56.45 | Amarande | after all, at this rate, eventually people won't be able to run any kind of user-generated servers for anything but FPS :P |
| 20:57.09 | Amarande | because the FPS people actively sanction this, while the RPG content market becomes increasingly MMO, who -hate- it |
| 20:57.15 | Thrae | You know, I wouldn't mind a private server for my family. They're just average people, no hardcore raiders, instancers, PvP'rs, or plain wackos that seem to dominate the vocal minority. |
| 20:57.27 | bleeter | Amarande: I'd say the pisspoor localisation and security auditing says more about the future than anything |
| 20:57.46 | Amarande | bleeter: do you think the computer RPG is going to be mostly a passing fad that's going to be gone by 2020 or so? |
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| 20:57.54 | bleeter | found a great one today on the Account Management login, it offers an 'English (EU)' translation |
| 20:58.07 | Amarande | or by then, at least, it will be limited to a few rich companies' games and that's it? |
| 20:58.22 | bleeter | the translation's *SO* good it tells you the URL is wow-europe.com, yet it's just the text overlay for the US account system |
| 20:58.45 | Amarande | the Neverwinter Nights folks already are feeling pretty sure, sadly, that the age of user-generated RPG content is going to pretty much die with NWN2, once computers stop being able to run it |
| 20:59.36 | Thrae | Hell, a lot of computers can't run NWN2 right now, so I think it's good for a while. |
| 21:00.03 | Amarande | How is it that it seems like the FPS is destined to win against the RPG, though? |
| 21:00.30 | Amarande | RPGs are generally much more interesting etc. than simply running through the same maps over and over with your Krieg 550 making sure the T's don't achieve their objective :P |
| 21:00.44 | Thrae | A lot of FPSes include RPGs nowadays! Zing! |
| 21:00.54 | Cralor` | what's the best web design software? |
| 21:01.04 | Thrae | Cralor`: Notepad + Brain |
| 21:01.20 | Cralor` | Thrae: seriously, though :D |
| 21:01.30 | Amarande | Cralor: I normally use a text editor, or if I must use a WYSIWYG, I use W3C's Amaya |
| 21:01.44 | Amarande | let's see ... Amaya, free, generates properly standards compliant XHTML, WIN |
| 21:02.17 | Amarande | I've never tried Dreamweaver or the other commercial ones ... how good are they at generating correct code? |
| 21:02.25 | Cralor` | idk |
| 21:02.39 | Amarande | I'm not sure how confident I should be about the commercial ones though |
| 21:02.45 | Amarande | given how many commercial web sites there are with bad web coding |
| 21:03.06 | Thrae | Amarande: I've looked at Dreamweaver, not very good really. Frontpage is even worse. |
| 21:03.07 | bleeter | Amarande: idk, don't think I care. I'll prolly end up hacking on worldforge or one of it's clients, or similar |
| 21:03.17 | pastamancer | dreamweaver doesn't suck, but you're still better off using a text editor |
| 21:03.18 | Amarande | Thrae: We used to call it Microsoft FuckPage back in the day :) |
| 21:03.50 | bleeter | once blizz ban my ass for revealing how screwer up their authenticator issue is.. 'coz to discuss the issue I've gotta talk about the hacks, and the ToS says 'don't talk about hacks' |
| 21:03.50 | Amarande | Remember the days too when web servers sold services that made you only able to access and change your pages via FrontPage, and they called this a FEATURE? |
| 21:04.19 | Cralor` | i'm pretty sure they wouldn't do that to you if they ask.... |
| 21:05.30 | Cralor` | but anyway, how do you align stuff where you want in HTML? i never really got that far in it :D |
| 21:05.38 | Amarande | Cralor: it's kind of black magic |
| 21:05.44 | Amarande | mainly because HTML actually was not designed for pretty formatting |
| 21:05.46 | Hirsute | Cralor: Creative use of tables. |
| 21:05.56 | Cralor` | but tables cannot be side by side |
| 21:05.56 | Amarande | HTML was designed for accessibility, basically |
| 21:06.27 | Hirsute | Cralor`: You can have tables within tables, though. |
| 21:06.29 | Amarande | which is why the HTML standards were designed to make it up to the browser to decide how to render things |
| 21:06.34 | Hirsute | And cells of a table can be side-by-side. |
| 21:06.42 | NightHawkTheSane | tables within tables makes the baby jesus cry |
| 21:06.43 | Cralor` | Hirsute: that is true |
| 21:06.45 | Thrae | bleeter: I think that's fair. They have a right to try and control their own problems. Trying to smuggle restricted items onto a plane is still illegal, even if it works and shows security flaws. By talking about the hack publicly instead of just private communication to Blizzard, you're taking the problem out of Blizzard's hands and possibly making it worse. |
| 21:06.50 | Amarande | which is why doing things like pretty-formatting stuff is a pita |
| 21:07.10 | Thrae | bleeter: It's the price paid for being a whistle-blower. |
| 21:07.19 | Thrae | That's why wikileaks.com is fun. |
| 21:07.59 | bleeter | Thrae: 'private communiction' with blizz is impossible. you alert them to a vulnerability, it disappears into a black hole. the vulnerability is still there weeks later, you want your friends to be secure, but you can't tell them without threatening your own account |
| 21:08.15 | bleeter | and even if they do attempt a fix, it's so half-assed it's laughable |
| 21:08.56 | Cralor` | you posted on the forums, right? |
| 21:09.57 | Thrae | bleeter: Still, two wrongs don't make a right. I'm not saying Blizzard is within their right to ignore it, they should fix it and I understand why you and others blow the whistle on their security problems; I'd probably do the same yourself. But I think Blizzard is still within their right to ban people who don't follow the rules. |
| 21:09.57 | Tekkub | there *are* people here that can get a message passed on |
| 21:10.21 | Tekkub | if you give the info to cair, she can get it where it needs to go |
| 21:10.39 | Amarande | whatever happened to the days when things like WoW were just, well, games |
| 21:10.48 | Amarande | now everything's all supposed to be totally serious |
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| 21:10.57 | Amarande | and if you're not a serious person, then you suck, and probably are causing problems for the world :P |
| 21:11.00 | Corrodias | online games that people pay for subscriptions for are Serioues |
| 21:11.04 | Tekkub | that was before stealing items was worth more than stealin CC numbers |
| 21:11.06 | Corrodias | with an extra 'e'. |
| 21:11.19 | Amarande | Tekkub: probably also before the Craigslist incident |
| 21:11.23 | Thrae | It's like shooting a stalker. You may have evidence that stalker was going to kill you, but you're going to get a trial anyway. |
| 21:11.25 | bleeter | Thrae: I don't disagree that they're in their rights to ban me for what I'm currently in the throws of doing, it's their game their rules. |
| 21:11.44 | Amarande | I still wonder whether that incident made MMOs be a hell of a lot more serious about ensuring that gold sellers are squelched whatever it takes |
| 21:11.48 | Tekkub | I'll say it again, go through Cairenn |
| 21:11.56 | bleeter | Thrae: but having to resort to cairren having to jump up and down at Blizz to get what is such an *OBVIOUS* security blunder, and bunch of false advertising, fixed is beyond a joke |
| 21:11.57 | Cralor` | how can you grab player stats? i remember there was API for this with the arena system |
| 21:12.10 | Amarande | Main issue being, of course, if a woman can sell herself for a night for 5000 gold |
| 21:12.22 | Amarande | then you do whatever you can to ensure that gold <-> RL currency -cannot- cross |
| 21:12.32 | bleeter | Tekkub: Did, it was only then that they took it seriously (and, I believe, she had to try several times). The issue still remains in various forms so IDK wtf else to do. |
| 21:12.37 | Thrae | bleeter: Yeah, as Tekkub said, try to exhaust every option first, and if Blizzard ignores your problem and your friends get hurt because of it, you have plenty of documentation to sue them. It works a hell of a lot more often then people think. |
| 21:12.40 | Amarande | otherwise, you foster an equivalency, and then you are liable for being the broker in prostitution :P |
| 21:13.02 | Tekkub | then you give up and it's their problem now |
| 21:13.16 | Amarande | I still wonder how the games that actually -have- an exchange between RL currency and ingame money manage to not go insane :) |
| 21:13.24 | Tekkub | or you be a dickhole and tell the world about it to force their hand, and get yourself banned probably |
| 21:13.46 | bleeter | Tekkub: so, quit the game and if people ask me why I quit I say 'Sorry, can't say.. if I ever decide to go back I still want access to my account'? |
| 21:13.47 | Corrodias | tell the world via some route OTHER than the official forums |
| 21:13.52 | Corrodias | don't let them know who you are. |
| 21:14.03 | bleeter | buncha bollocks |
| 21:14.07 | Amarande | Corrodias: not sure how well that would work out, with precedents |
| 21:14.12 | Tekkub | if you're going to quit over it, then quit :P |
| 21:14.15 | Corrodias | precedents? |
| 21:14.17 | Amarande | I know MMOs have banned in the past for posts on non-official community forums |
| 21:14.23 | Amarande | EQ was notorious for it, in particular |
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| 21:14.41 | Amarande | Heya Lopeppeppy :) |
| 21:14.49 | Corrodias | shit, give me the info and i'll post it wherever i can think of with different names |
| 21:14.57 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Amarande. |
| 21:15.07 | Thrae | Amarande: In all MMOs, there is an exchange between virtual property and RL property -- you pay Blizzard for the right to access your virtual property. By Blizzard allowing this to be hacked and given away, they are going against their own end-user contracts (even if Blizzard retains most rights, there still rights they cannot take away from the consumer) |
| 21:15.08 | Corrodias | actually, i don't feel like doing that, since you can do it yourself |
| 21:15.14 | Corrodias | but that's just to illustrate. |
| 21:15.24 | Amarande | EQ was so notorious for banning people zealously that I used to say that getting hired for Verant probably requires you to have an employment record of being fired from previous jobs for bad customer service heh |
| 21:15.37 | Corrodias | hah! |
| 21:15.51 | Thrae | Amarande: Main reason more suits don't appear is because courts are staffed by people who don't know what the hell MMOs are, especially most lawyers. |
| 21:15.52 | Corrodias | glad i never played |
| 21:15.57 | bleeter | cmon, it's pretty dumb to ban someone who's trying to help people secure their accounts from hacking attempts, when from all appearances people have fallen victim to the attack in the past. that blizzard's security team weren't aware of the attack, or rated it low possibility, would indicate account admin have NFI about the attack either |
| 21:16.17 | Cralor` | how can you get a players profession level? |
| 21:16.25 | Amarande | Cralor: armory |
| 21:16.32 | Cralor` | in an addon |
| 21:16.36 | Amarande | don't know if you can do it in-game |
| 21:16.38 | Cralor` | ;D |
| 21:16.41 | Amarande | at least I've never seen it while Inspecting players |
| 21:16.55 | Amarande | though I'm not sure if there's a whole load of information that you could get access to by redoing the Inspect UI with an addon |
| 21:17.01 | Cralor` | well yourself... you can do that, right? |
| 21:17.07 | Thrae | I bet suing Blizzard would be more fun then suing EA, since Vivendi is almost entirely French-based now |
| 21:17.09 | bleeter | the target would need to be running an addon to offer up the info |
| 21:17.09 | Cralor` | i meant yourself |
| 21:17.27 | Thrae | And we Americans hate the French...hell, half of Canada hates the French |
| 21:17.35 | bleeter | Thrae: I bet a class action against Blizz for false advertising of the Authenticator would be even better |
| 21:17.37 | Cralor` | actually, nvm |
| 21:17.44 | zenzelezz | somehow this talk of banning reminds me of the old Gu strip: http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20041213 |
| 21:17.52 | AnduinLothar | Anyone know of an addon that makes it easy to keep track of people's professions? |
| 21:17.55 | bleeter | s/better/more fun/ |
| 21:17.56 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: you're way too paranoid |
| 21:18.10 | Lopeppeppy | AnduinLothar, like for your alts, or for your friends list, or for your guild... ? |
| 21:18.50 | AnduinLothar | guild mainly, but it'd be nice if there were one that had a list sorted by prof or something of the online people |
| 21:19.11 | Thrae | bleeter: You could probably even trump it up into a Treason charge by saying by neglecting their own security, they support piracy and therefore terrorism (one of the things the RIAA is using, as the sale of pirated goods is used to fund terrorism) |
| 21:19.13 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: mate, when I was paid by casino and banks to break into them, it was my job to be paranoid... sorry if what I see as failing to adhere to even basic 'good practice', let alone 'best' is pointed out |
| 21:19.26 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: paranoid in the /bad/ sense |
| 21:19.27 | bleeter | Thrae: lol |
| 21:19.37 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: ? |
| 21:19.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I want to ask what hole this is, but I'm not sure if I really want to or not :P |
| 21:20.18 | Thrae | bleeter: That actually has precedent, see Electronic Entertainment Community vs DRM, where a major DRM provider said the companies are supporting piracy by not using their "amazing" DRM solution. That case still hasn't been tossed out yet on its face. |
| 21:20.31 | Tekkub | I but it's the obvious one... you can still get keylogged, they could log into the forums, post bad shit, and get you banned :P |
| 21:20.33 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: let's just say I've run the details past a number of senior well trusted community members, and they were all equally rather stunned |
| 21:20.49 | bleeter | Tekkub: forum bans are independant of ingame bans, afaik |
| 21:21.03 | Tekkub | even if you're *really* bad? |
| 21:21.13 | bleeter | idk, I ain't tested it |
| 21:21.15 | Corrodias | depends on whether what they're doing in the forum affects things in the game |
| 21:21.16 | bleeter | and that's the other thing |
| 21:21.31 | bleeter | I *really* wanted to test this thing hard, but I could've ended up permabanning myself |
| 21:21.32 | Lopeppeppy | AnduinLothar - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8904-GuildCraft.html ? |
| 21:21.34 | bleeter | that's just insane |
| 21:21.42 | Amarande | Thrae: bad idea, you really don't want to reinforce precedents like that |
| 21:22.15 | Amarande | next thing you know, you get small independent businesses who then will probably post goodbye notices, saying they feel they're forced to go under because they do not have the money to please the security zealots, and do not want to spend their life labeled terrorists |
| 21:22.19 | Thrae | bleeter: Of course, you could also take the risk of making a virus which uses the security holes you find, and just make the virus look like its sending the information somewhere. |
| 21:22.27 | AnduinLothar | that looks like it requires everyone else to have it, but it's close |
| 21:22.37 | Thrae | Amarande: I said he *could* do that, not *should* |
| 21:22.41 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: that can be arranged |
| 21:22.48 | AnduinLothar | do it! |
| 21:22.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Give it a test drive |
| 21:23.02 | ScytheBlade1 | If it's worth it I will |
| 21:23.19 | AnduinLothar | ok, why dont we both grab it so it'll actually work |
| 21:23.31 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm k, sec |
| 21:23.55 | Lopeppeppy | You're a code monkey, make it work for you. :P |
| 21:24.08 | AnduinLothar | dont rly need more projects >.< |
| 21:25.01 | Tekkub | I really need more motivation |
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| 21:25.19 | AnduinLothar | that happens tek |
| 21:25.26 | AnduinLothar | need a new project imo |
| 21:25.36 | AnduinLothar | somethign fun |
| 21:25.46 | Tekkub | nah |
| 21:25.49 | Lopeppeppy | Bake holiday cookies with me. :) |
| 21:25.53 | Tekkub | I got new projects all the time |
| 21:26.07 | Tekkub | motivation is always a bitch for me |
| 21:26.10 | AnduinLothar | need a break to stockpile motivation? |
| 21:26.15 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: restarting |
| 21:26.22 | Tekkub | it don't stockpile |
| 21:26.28 | Tekkub | it's either there or not |
| 21:26.41 | AnduinLothar | sure it does, it's called boredom |
| 21:26.58 | Tekkub | boredom is lake of motivation |
| 21:27.03 | Tekkub | *lack |
| 21:27.24 | AnduinLothar | if you say so |
| 21:28.32 | Tekkub | if I'm motivated, I work on shit, I'm not bored |
| 21:28.58 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: I've got it installed now |
| 21:34.31 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, you may find this funny. There's a model home seller near me, I drive by it every day. The sign says "Sho Model Homes" in pretty letters. I constantly misread it as "Sbo" and have to say, "No, he doesn't live here...." |
| 21:34.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: I constantly misread "kd3" as "kde" - a linux desktop |
| 21:35.01 | Rageon | can anyine spot any errors in this macro? |
| 21:35.06 | Rageon | it's not putting otu skull on target |
| 21:35.16 | Rageon | #show Heroic Throw |
| 21:35.17 | Rageon | /SetRaidTarget('target',8) |
| 21:35.17 | Rageon | /RW Pulling %t INCOMING!!! |
| 21:35.17 | Rageon | /cast Heroic Throw |
| 21:35.17 | Rageon | /cast shoot |
| 21:35.20 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 21:35.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: and several other little things like that around, too... it's kinda entertaining :) |
| 21:35.30 | Thrae | Rageon: Please use pastey.net for more then two lines |
| 21:35.33 | zenzelezz | Rageon: see the topic, use pastey if you're going to post that many lines |
| 21:35.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Can't say I've seen anything that reminds me of your name, however... that'd be a bit tricky |
| 21:35.38 | Rageon | oh sry mate |
| 21:35.49 | Lopeppeppy | Nothing "Peppy" to remind you of me? *sniff* |
| 21:35.55 | ScytheBlade1 | My life is boring :) |
| 21:36.39 | p3lim | anyone know a good forum that has to do with hacking of windows, theme, registery hacking etc? |
| 21:36.48 | Rageon | http://pastey.net/103841-147n |
| 21:36.50 | zenzelezz | Rageon: there is no /setraidtarget, try /script SetRaidTarget |
| 21:36.56 | Rageon | a ha |
| 21:37.26 | Rageon | awsome it works now thnx zenzelezz |
| 21:37.40 | Rageon | i msut have removed the /script when iw as addning heroic throw this morning |
| 21:37.54 | Thrae | p3lim: Like trying to reduce resource usage? |
| 21:38.01 | p3lim | no |
| 21:38.05 | p3lim | modifiying stuff |
| 21:38.12 | p3lim | http://upload.snelhest.org/images/081206startmenu.jpg |
| 21:38.18 | Thrae | p3lim: Ask #windows |
| 21:38.33 | p3lim | id like to remove the logo to the left, aswell "Programs", "Settings" and "Search" menu |
| 21:39.01 | Thrae | p3lim: There's also #windows, #winsupport, #winxp, #vista, etc. on EFNet |
| 21:39.19 | p3lim | #windows, on what server? |
| 21:40.50 | Corrodias | since it starts with #, and not &, it's on all servers on the network |
| 21:41.09 | Corrodias | or what is the other one... |
| 21:42.30 | Corrodias | yeah, &, but freenode doesn't support that anyway |
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| 21:45.29 | Rageon | p3lim: try to get ahold of the ppl responisble for tinyXP |
| 21:45.36 | Rageon | they've made major cahgnes to it |
| 21:45.48 | Rageon | like added propper driver support and themes support out of the box |
| 21:46.14 | Rageon | soem good guides at deviantart aswell. |
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| 22:01.08 | AnduinLothar | Thanks Lopeppeppy, works well but the gui blows chunks |
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| 22:02.31 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 22:02.32 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 22:02.44 | bleeter | mm much betterer |
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| 22:03.27 | Cidan | ~emulate Shirik |
| 22:03.28 | purl | I'll answer that in a few minutes when this web page has finished loading... |
| 22:03.43 | Cidan | lolwut |
| 22:03.47 | bleeter | btw, for anyone interested in giving up smoking, Varenicline's the bomb |
| 22:03.51 | Cidan | ~emulate Cairenn |
| 22:03.51 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 22:04.00 | Cidan | hah |
| 22:04.03 | Lopeppeppy | ~emulate Lopeppeppy |
| 22:04.06 | Olison | :-D |
| 22:04.22 | Lopeppeppy | Tsk tsk, I'm not predictable enough for that, I guess. :) |
| 22:04.41 | zenzelezz | it's just another factoid, you have to set it yourself |
| 22:04.54 | zenzelezz | ~emulate zenzelezz |
| 22:04.55 | purl | OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT! |
| 22:05.14 | Cidan | ~emulate Cidan |
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| 22:23.45 | Hirsute | lua> sometest=true; anothertest=true; if (sometest and anothertest) then do print "Yeppers" end |
| 22:24.27 | Hirsute | lua> sometest=true; anothertest=true; if (sometest and anothertest) then print "Yeppers" else print "Nope" end |
| 22:24.46 | Hirsute | ... Is luabot not here. Or is that just totally flubbed code? |
| 22:26.29 | haste | both! |
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| 22:26.38 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 22:26.41 | cladhaire | where is luabot? |
| 22:26.47 | AbsoRayne | Forums seem to be broken |
| 22:26.49 | AbsoRayne | :( |
| 22:26.59 | haste | it left 9h ago |
| 22:27.12 | cladhaire | fixed! |
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| 22:27.19 | cladhaire | in theory? |
| 22:27.20 | haste | the bug also? :D |
| 22:27.28 | cladhaire | no bug |
| 22:27.30 | cladhaire | connection went down |
| 22:27.36 | cladhaire | i don't have it reconnect on purpose |
| 22:27.36 | AbsoRayne | So guys |
| 22:27.39 | cladhaire | so I can see when things break |
| 22:27.40 | AbsoRayne | Tell me if this sounds right |
| 22:27.46 | Hirsute | lua> sometest=true; anothertest=true; if (sometest and anothertest) then print "Yeppers" else print "Nope" end |
| 22:27.46 | lua_bot | Hirsute: Yeppers |
| 22:27.53 | cladhaire | so I've written a LDB panel display |
| 22:28.00 | cladhaire | 100 lines of code, and I'm happy |
| 22:28.02 | AbsoRayne | Our ISP is charging to have Static IP. Its a Satellite based Broadband due to our Location |
| 22:28.15 | AbsoRayne | its an extra 10$/Month on top of the 45 already being paid. |
| 22:29.59 | NightHawkTheSane | I think most isps will charge extra for a guaranteed static ip |
| 22:30.17 | Industrial | cladhaire: whats it do |
| 22:30.35 | cladhaire | uhh displays LDB data feeds in a panel at the top of your screen, without any other bullshit |
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| 22:30.47 | cladhaire | 100 lines of code and i dont need to worry about anything else. |
| 22:31.08 | Industrial | hmm, screenshot :D? |
| 22:31.13 | Anaral | In a macro how would I show icon 3 in the macro menu, would it be icon3 or icon03, or something else entirely? |
| 22:32.30 | cladhaire | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/f67aa1cfacb4833cbe08f4c4e8a29e99.png |
| 22:32.32 | cladhaire | Industrial: ^^ |
| 22:32.49 | Industrial | cladhaire: I remade my actionbar to use the blizz bars in 60 lines yesterday |
| 22:32.51 | Industrial | but it doesnt do the right 2 bars because the vehicle thing fucks it up :( |
| 22:33.52 | Industrial | cladhaire: ah nice, do want :P |
| 22:33.55 | Industrial | might make me use LDB |
| 22:34.05 | Lopeppeppy | Very pretty, cladhaire. |
| 22:34.25 | cladhaire | Industrial: yeah, i'm working on full ldb stuff now to give me the info i want |
| 22:36.13 | cladhaire | Industrial: you'd need LDB, and LibJostle to make this work, but http://cladhaire.pastey.net/103848 |
| 22:36.16 | cladhaire | i could remove the jostle requirement |
| 22:37.09 | Amarande | AbsoRayne: far as I know, pretty much every ISP that offers static IP charges extra for it :| |
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| 22:37.41 | Amarande | tbh, I'm not really sure why ISPs in the age of broadband don't just ALL give out static IPs |
| 22:38.07 | sylvanaar | wikipedia ipv6 |
| 22:38.35 | cladhaire | Industrial: I can zip this up if you want :p |
| 22:38.37 | cladhaire | or put it on an vn |
| 22:38.37 | Amarande | limited IP addresses really isn't something they can bandy about as an excuse, given that with broadband, most people leave their connection online 24/7 now |
| 22:38.57 | Amarande | and static IPs as standard would make it a good bit easier to track down violators |
| 22:39.00 | sylvanaar | ok then dyndns.org |
| 22:39.12 | foxlit | Amarande: ISPs are not interested in tracking down violators :) |
| 22:39.27 | Industrial | cladhaire: no worry/hurry :-) if you are going to make an addon out of it just do it like normal :-D? |
| 22:39.38 | cladhaire | addon |
| 22:39.49 | Amarande | foxlit: still, there seems no point to dynamic IP these days |
| 22:40.00 | Amarande | when everyone's on 24/7, they're all using IP's any way you slice or dice it |
| 22:40.10 | foxlit | Limited address space. |
| 22:40.13 | cladhaire | Industrial: it'll be an addon |
| 22:40.14 | Amarande | not to mention, static IPs could also be used to prevent service theft |
| 22:40.16 | sylvanaar | dyndns.org |
| 22:40.40 | Amarande | register everyone's MAC, if it's on the list, it gets the IP assigned to it, if it's not on the list, they get jack from the DHCP server :) |
| 22:40.44 | AbsoRayne | Amarande: One of the biggest problems is atm, we cant Access Ventrilo. So that right there is murder for us, mostly me because im my guilds Raid Leader. Were going to start using Teamspeak for the time being, but its just an inconvenience, I payed for a Vent Server before I left from NJ, and now I cant even use it. :/ |
| 22:41.03 | Amarande | AbsoRayne: can't get a hosting service for it? |
| 22:42.03 | cladhaire | Industrial: although i may use Hack for the plugins I write |
| 22:42.18 | sylvanaar | what is it? |
| 22:42.20 | AbsoRayne | Doesnt matter. No matter what I do, we cant connect |
| 22:42.30 | cladhaire | Tekkub: BrokerPanel or LDBPanel, which makes the most sense? |
| 22:42.34 | cladhaire | sylvanaar: who was that directed at? |
| 22:42.39 | sylvanaar | sorry, you |
| 22:42.43 | sylvanaar | cladhaire |
| 22:42.44 | Tekkub | BrokenPanel! |
| 22:43.00 | Tekkub | Borked |
| 22:43.10 | Tekkub | Borkborkbork |
| 22:43.21 | Stanzilla | the borgs? |
| 22:43.39 | cladhaire | sylvanaar: its just a display addon for ldb data feeds |
| 22:43.55 | cladhaire | sylvanaar: 100 lines of code (not including the libs it needs, which are minimal) |
| 22:44.16 | cladhaire | no Fu-interface, no Titan-interface just straightforward so efficient shiznat :P |
| 22:44.27 | Industrial | \:D/ |
| 22:44.49 | AbsoRayne | Amarande: http://www.ventrilo.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-25003.html |
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| 22:46.49 | sylvanaar | cladhaire oh cool - i should look. im interested to see how you handle text coloring? |
| 22:47.13 | cladhaire | sylvanaar: I don't do anything with it, the LDB plugin specifies the text string to be displayed.. so it "just works" |
| 22:47.21 | cladhaire | as you can see in the violation feed in that SS |
| 22:47.59 | sylvanaar | cladhaire i came online after the link |
| 22:48.40 | cladhaire | sylvanaar: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/f67aa1cfacb4833cbe08f4c4e8a29e99.png |
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| 22:52.19 | sylvanaar | cool |
| 22:52.23 | bleeter | btw, Tekkub, you don't need to be keylogged for someone to go to town on the forums using your posting toons. |
| 22:52.48 | Tekkub | wow... you're... slow.... |
| 22:52.51 | bleeter | forgot to mention that earlier |
| 22:53.05 | Tekkub | forgot to read everything I said earlier too then :P |
| 22:53.07 | bleeter | yeah, soz.. helping my dad deal with his chemo side-effects is causing me to afk lots :P |
| 22:53.19 | Tekkub | "I but it's the obvious one... you can still get keylogged, they could log into the forums, post bad shit, and get you banned :P" |
| 22:53.41 | Tekkub | oh you said "don't" |
| 22:53.43 | Tekkub | I fail! |
| 22:53.45 | Tekkub | ugh |
| 22:54.29 | bleeter | I also did respond to that at the time |
| 22:54.36 | bleeter | mentioning forum ban and game ban are independant |
| 22:54.54 | Tekkub | anyway, why do I still care? |
| 22:54.55 | bleeter | just forgot to mentiopn don't need access to the computer you post to the forums from to post in your name |
| 22:54.56 | NightHawkTheSane | (sadly) |
| 22:55.26 | bleeter | and been so long since I told blizz about that one, thought I should retest anyways, still there |
| 23:02.16 | sylvanaar | "Most gold ever owned: 2961g 68s 30c" never going to get that teleport ring... |
| 23:02.57 | Lopeppeppy | Most gold I've ever had was like 1500 |
| 23:03.13 | Amarande | how much is the teleport ring? |
| 23:03.16 | sylvanaar | 8k |
| 23:03.30 | sylvanaar | + |
| 23:03.57 | sylvanaar | this is interesting "Items pickpocketed: 162" |
| 23:04.16 | sylvanaar | i guess thats pickpocketed from me |
| 23:04.50 | Amarande | sylvanaar: apparently I have arena kills, even though I've never played in an arena |
| 23:05.25 | sylvanaar | hmm... |
| 23:05.26 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Alvaerin |
| 23:05.38 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, "Average gold earned per day: 765g" |
| 23:06.05 | Amarande | looks like my HK stuff is fine other than the bogus arena number |
| 23:06.15 | sylvanaar | "Deaths in Alterac Valley: 192" |
| 23:06.21 | Amarande | Night: heh, I figured that one out quickly |
| 23:06.34 | Amarande | the 'per day' thing is going to eternally be wrong except for toons created after October 15, 2008 |
| 23:06.39 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 23:06.49 | Amarande | Because apparently, I got from 1-70, and accumulated all my gear in a single day. :) |
| 23:06.51 | NightHawkTheSane | any rate statistics are off, obviously |
| 23:06.52 | Amarande | That takes dedication! |
| 23:07.42 | Amarande | Night: you know what's odd, though |
| 23:07.46 | NightHawkTheSane | you? |
| 23:07.48 | sylvanaar | "Number of hugs: 8" |
| 23:07.49 | Amarande | is that with say, your total honorable kills |
| 23:08.00 | Amarande | they KNOW how many HKs you really had, because it's tracked retro for the achievements |
| 23:08.04 | Amarande | but this isn't reflected in the statistics |
| 23:08.17 | Amarande | you'd think, if they had a statistic retro, and were able to use it for achievements, they'd be able to use it for the stats too :S |
| 23:09.03 | Amarande | hmm, also, more than half of my deaths since october are in av |
| 23:09.56 | Lopeppeppy | AV is for dying merrily, with bright humor. |
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| 23:10.22 | Amarande | some of the stats are just screwed up though |
| 23:10.38 | sylvanaar | "Average gold earned per day: 107g 81s 17c" |
| 23:10.42 | Amarande | for instance, I've obtained all the 1-40 dungeon achievements (except for Uldaman, because I haven't yet gotten around to getting two people to go with me) |
| 23:10.52 | Amarande | I've done all of them -since October- |
| 23:10.57 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, Uldaman needs partners, you're right. |
| 23:10.58 | Amarande | yet somehow, I've only entered three 5-man dungeons. :) |
| 23:11.16 | Amarande | Lope: Yeah, I think I'm just going to give out a free Ulda run to the first two people to PST |
| 23:11.30 | zenzelezz | I lack Uldaman... and Scholomance. Because those freaking shades are immune to melee :-| |
| 23:11.43 | Amarande | Maybe three or four people, since I need them alive at the doors that need three people, and I can't rez :P |
| 23:12.01 | Amarande | I figured 1-40 is the most I'll do for now |
| 23:12.13 | foxlit | zenzelezz: a warrior, are you? |
| 23:12.17 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: fiery weapon, imo |
| 23:12.24 | sylvanaar | i think they just look through complteted quests and your inventory to determine if you have been to an intance prior to the achievement system |
| 23:12.25 | zenzelezz | foxlit: indeed |
| 23:12.30 | Amarande | because not long ago I tried to run someone through ZF and found I couldn't handle the constant tide of mobs at the stair event, which is required for the final boss |
| 23:12.36 | Amarande | sylvanaar: yeah, however |
| 23:12.46 | Amarande | in this case, I've definitely been to all those dungeons AFTER the achievement system |
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| 23:13.00 | Amarande | and somehow, I've managed to do all the 1-40 dungeons but Ulda by only going into instances three times. :) |
| 23:13.39 | Amarande | ah, a warrior, that scratches my suggestion |
| 23:13.48 | Amarande | I was thinking, as a paladin, you could just use the seal that adds holy damage to your melee swings |
| 23:14.00 | Amarande | and of course DKs have no issues |
| 23:14.04 | Amarande | warriors and rogues are kinda in the soup though |
| 23:14.13 | Amarande | especially rogues, since they probably have to have a weapon specially enchanted just for that |
| 23:14.37 | Amarande | after all, isn't it still accepted theorycraft that anything but mongoose is a waste of your enchant slot on a rogue weapon? |
| 23:15.04 | Amarande | or at least, that anything but mongoose falls under the list of 'you should use mongoose instead' |
| 23:15.17 | Amarande | or is there an LK enchant that's better now? |
| 23:16.17 | Amarande | or whether a straight agility or AP boost might be overall better than mongoose now |
| 23:17.10 | zenzelezz | I hated getting a new weapon the other night. Since the market hasn't settled with new materials, getting a real WotLK enchant cost ~1500g |
| 23:17.28 | AnduinLothar | just get um free from lvlers |
| 23:17.29 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: rogues can solo scholo fine |
| 23:17.34 | foxlit | # From the coast of Westfall... |
| 23:17.35 | Amarande | zenzelezz: yeah, I was looking at the new spellpower enchant and I'm like omg |
| 23:17.38 | Gnarfoz | AnduinLothar: hahahaha you wish |
| 23:17.48 | AnduinLothar | i get savagery free all the time |
| 23:17.52 | Gnarfoz | savagery? |
| 23:18.01 | Gnarfoz | how's that a useful enchant |
| 23:18.03 | AnduinLothar | 85 ap weapon |
| 23:18.07 | AnduinLothar | in new one |
| 23:18.09 | zenzelezz | AnduinLothar: my guild doesn't accept stuff like that on WotLK-25-man gear :) |
| 23:18.09 | Gnarfoz | yeah, crap :p |
| 23:18.23 | Amarande | new spellpower enchant costs more money than I have, and I thought 2150g or so was a pretty good amount of gold for a 70 lock who already has her epic flying skill |
| 23:18.24 | Gnarfoz | useful enchants use Abyss Crystals or whatever they're called |
| 23:18.32 | Gnarfoz | and no one will be giving those away ;) |
| 23:18.40 | zenzelezz | AnduinLothar: isn't Savagery old? New one is Massacre or something |
| 23:18.43 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: any reasonable way to get those other than getting into a naxx raid? |
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| 23:19.03 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: sharding epics? they don't have to be from naxx ;p |
| 23:19.20 | AnduinLothar | heroic epics |
| 23:19.21 | Amarande | I'm thinking where else you might get your hands on epics this soon, though |
| 23:19.25 | NightHawkTheSane | any epic >= ilvl 200 works |
| 23:19.28 | Amarande | PvP epics probably still aren't shardable ... guess there's heroics |
| 23:19.33 | zenzelezz | my enchant would've cost me 2000 at least if I hadn't already had a couple of Abyss Crystals |
| 23:19.49 | NightHawkTheSane | dude, if the group i run with had an enchanter, we'd be fucking swimming in abyss and dream shards |
| 23:19.54 | Gnarfoz | yeah. |
| 23:20.00 | NightHawkTheSane | you can only get so many upgrades from heroics. |
| 23:20.01 | Gnarfoz | epics are ubiquititous :< |
| 23:20.08 | Gnarfoz | (that's spelled wrong) |
| 23:20.08 | Amarande | is there still also the tiny chance of getting an abyss from a blue, like with top blues at 60 and 70? |
| 23:20.16 | Gnarfoz | probably. |
| 23:20.18 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, they all get vendored, because none of us are enchanters. we so fail. |
| 23:20.40 | Lopeppeppy | I took up enchanting on my pally for exactly that reason. Healer + disenchanter usually equals =desired. |
| 23:20.43 | zenzelezz | there is the odd heroic drop that's better than the raid gear |
| 23:20.53 | Amarande | You know what new enchant recipes I would REALLY want to see? |
| 23:21.03 | Amarande | I'd like to see ones that allow you to downgrade a crystal or shard to the next lower one |
| 23:21.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: I'm half tempted to drop skinning and pick up enchanting -precisely- for that |
| 23:21.26 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: uhm, that's been there for ages for the BC crystals. |
| 23:21.44 | Gnarfoz | and the shards, too |
| 23:21.47 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: there one, or planned to be one for Abyss->Void? |
| 23:21.55 | AbsoRayne | <_< |
| 23:22.00 | Gnarfoz | how would I know, I don't work for blizzard :p |
| 23:22.07 | Gnarfoz | right now, there isn't, afaik |
| 23:22.15 | Amarande | probably will be one eventually once rogues QQ on the forums :) |
| 23:22.16 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, zenzelezz, that's very kind of you. |
| 23:22.16 | Gnarfoz | also what |
| 23:22.30 | NightHawkTheSane | there's never been a recipe to transmute between enchanting tiers |
| 23:22.31 | Gnarfoz | why would you want to convert something from abyss to void |
| 23:22.36 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: Mongoose |
| 23:22.42 | Gnarfoz | and what have rogues got to do with it |
| 23:22.43 | NightHawkTheSane | the chances of them doing that are somewhere between nil and zero. |
| 23:22.45 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: Berserking |
| 23:22.52 | Amarande | Hardly anyone does 70 raids or heroics anymore, so the supply of void crystals is going to rapidly go south |
| 23:23.09 | AbsoRayne | >_> |
| 23:23.38 | Gnarfoz | so what |
| 23:24.37 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: is that better for rogues than mongoose? |
| 23:24.52 | Gnarfoz | why, 400 AP better than 120? I'd wager so |
| 23:25.11 | NightHawkTheSane | wasn't it 120 agi, not ap? |
| 23:25.14 | NightHawkTheSane | or am i wrong.. |
| 23:25.14 | Gnarfoz | yes? |
| 23:25.17 | Gnarfoz | it's 120agi |
| 23:25.20 | Gnarfoz | that's 120ap. |
| 23:25.24 | NightHawkTheSane | well, and crit. |
| 23:25.24 | Gnarfoz | plus like 2% crit |
| 23:25.26 | Corrodias | plus crit |
| 23:25.32 | Gnarfoz | it's not like rogues *care* about crit that much |
| 23:25.34 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, 400 ap is still better |
| 23:25.44 | Gnarfoz | both are procs |
| 23:26.01 | NightHawkTheSane | (also, its closer to 132+ agi with kings, etc, but i digress) |
| 23:26.06 | Corrodias | now that's foolish, not caring about critical hits much? |
| 23:26.17 | Gnarfoz | do you play a rogue. |
| 23:26.18 | Gnarfoz | :| |
| 23:26.39 | Corrodias | nah, i tossed a question mark at the end because i've not played a rogue |
| 23:26.42 | Gnarfoz | it's not foolish, it's just an unimportant stat :p |
| 23:26.45 | Corrodias | i know it matters to a feral druid |
| 23:27.07 | Gnarfoz | it will obviously increase your dps somewhat, but other stats are better at that |
| 23:27.11 | Corrodias | so rogues have like no chance to crit? |
| 23:27.17 | NightHawkTheSane | druids are significantly different than rogues, though |
| 23:27.19 | Gnarfoz | uhm they have a lot of chance to crit |
| 23:27.24 | Amarande | rogues are crit monkeys |
| 23:27.41 | Gnarfoz | but not as much as say, enhance shamans, warriors, ret pallys, whathaveyou |
| 23:27.45 | Amarande | however, rogues also have other first and foremost needs, as well |
| 23:27.47 | Amarande | such as hit |
| 23:27.56 | NightHawkTheSane | what Gnarfoz is saying is that 1 crit rating is probably less of an overall dps boost than 1 ap |
| 23:27.57 | Corrodias | Gnarfoz: do they have a lot of attacks that can't crit? |
| 23:28.15 | Gnarfoz | Corrodias: what NightHawkTheSane said |
| 23:28.24 | Corrodias | oh, well, that's a different matter |
| 23:28.30 | Gnarfoz | it's the same matter |
| 23:28.37 | Gnarfoz | in PvE there's probably one attack that can't crit that's relevant - Rupture |
| 23:28.38 | Amarande | so ... |
| 23:28.42 | Gnarfoz | because it's a DoT debuff |
| 23:28.42 | NightHawkTheSane | so, thus, 130+ ap & 2% crit, is less dps than 400 ap |
| 23:28.49 | Amarande | why did we get 32 slot specialty bags, but no expansion in generic bags in WotLK? |
| 23:28.52 | Corrodias | no, you've gone from saying it's not important to saying that it isn't as useful as AP |
| 23:29.01 | Amarande | we didn't even get a 24 slot generic bag, as far as I know |
| 23:29.08 | Corrodias | and i never suggested that 2% crit makes up for 280 AP |
| 23:29.10 | Amarande | and the 22 slot tailoring bag is ridiculously expensive and will be for a long long time |
| 23:29.16 | Lopeppeppy | hummy hum hum. |
| 23:29.21 | Gnarfoz | Corrodias: "not important" because "not as good as" |
| 23:29.33 | Amarande | unless it's something to do with Haris Pilton and the achievement provided thereby |
| 23:29.36 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: it's less expensive than a 1200g gigantique bullshit bag ^^ |
| 23:29.46 | Amarande | which a 24 slot bag's existence would make |
| 23:29.54 | Amarande | "I Spent Way Too Much On a Bag That's Not Even The Best" |
| 23:30.14 | Corrodias | sorry, i understand "not important" to mean that you don't consider its value when looking at gear |
| 23:30.15 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: hmm, I'll have to check the current AH |
| 23:30.21 | Amarande | I wouldn't expect it to be less, though |
| 23:30.24 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 23:30.27 | Gnarfoz | don't buy shit pre-built |
| 23:30.28 | Corrodias | that may not be what you mean by it, however. |
| 23:30.51 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: At least one of the tailoring specialty cloths is going for 300g+ a piece on Turalyon Horde |
| 23:31.07 | Gnarfoz | sigh |
| 23:31.08 | Amarande | You need four each of two such cloths for the 22 |
| 23:31.13 | Gnarfoz | generalizations ftw |
| 23:31.22 | Gnarfoz | I'm gonna play wow instead of discussing it :p |
| 23:31.43 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: ah situations differ per server :P |
| 23:31.43 | Gnarfoz | indeed. |
| 23:32.01 | Amarande | I think there's still a glyph that horde side can't get on my server, too |
| 23:32.07 | Amarande | forget which one, though |
| 23:32.13 | Gnarfoz | entirely possible |
| 23:32.24 | Gnarfoz | just like on my realm, glyphs go for < 1 g |
| 23:32.29 | Gnarfoz | most of them |
| 23:32.39 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, i've been selling molten armor glyphs for 100g a pop, for the past three days |
| 23:32.50 | NightHawkTheSane | i must be the only one with it.. |
| 23:32.54 | Gnarfoz | which means... what a waste of an investment taking up Inscription was :X |
| 23:32.56 | Amarande | ok. glacial bag needs 4 ebonweave and 4 moonshroud |
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| 23:33.21 | Amarande | there's currently 2 pieces of moonshroud for sale on my server. one for 275g and one for 450g |
| 23:33.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: eh, that was entirely predicted, though |
| 23:33.30 | Amarande | and ebonweave's not available at all |
| 23:34.10 | NightHawkTheSane | frankly i think inscription needs slightly better self-only perks, but *shrug* |
| 23:34.17 | Amarande | so at least on Turalyon horde side, it would cost probably at least 2x the price of a gigantique to get a glacial made |
| 23:34.32 | Cide | hi |
| 23:34.33 | Amarande | Night: my thought would be epic glyphs that require a certain level of inscription to use |
| 23:34.51 | NightHawkTheSane | that'll never happen |
| 23:34.51 | Amarande | it would be more likely to happen than BoP self only ones anyway, given Blizzard's stance on BoP |
| 23:35.29 | Amarande | and still be self only in a practical sense, kinda like how no one ever manages to sell engineering items unless they're ones like the BC seaforium that needed a high faction rep to make, but only needed eng skill to use |
| 23:36.06 | Amarande | or the few like the discombobulator ray that are usable by non-eng's |
| 23:36.13 | Amarande | I kinda wish I had leveled my hunter before my priest now |
| 23:36.28 | Amarande | simply because my hunter is eng, would have gotten the discombobulator ray, and my priest probably would have died a good number of times less with that |
| 23:37.57 | SetiHunter | a bit sad this is sutch a small community =( |
| 23:38.21 | Amarande | IIRC, the main cause of death for my priest pre-40 was melee mobs that enrage |
| 23:38.35 | Amarande | the ray would be an effective counter to that |
| 23:38.38 | Lopeppeppy | SetiHunter, it gets bigger and smaller based on time of day, and raid schedule. :) |
| 23:38.53 | SetiHunter | hehe |
| 23:38.54 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Cide. You sneaked in while Peppy was flipping cookies. |
| 23:39.08 | Cide | it's how the swedes roll |
| 23:39.19 | SetiHunter | just geting irritated that its hard to find guides how to code |
| 23:39.39 | Lopeppeppy | Have you checked out the list of resources on the forums? |
| 23:39.49 | Amarande | Seti: the book's well worth buying |
| 23:40.35 | SetiHunter | tried the forum but it dose not contain mutch and it is against my policy to buy boks. You should be able to look everything up on the net :) |
| 23:40.44 | Amarande | after which, well, mainly you have to check the 2.4.1 combat log and 3.0 secure frame changes |
| 23:41.07 | Amarande | other than that I don't think there's really much if anything major that's changed in WoW's Lua since the current book edition |
| 23:41.16 | Lopeppeppy | Well, a few things are on the net, such as WoW wiki and the PIL book. But honestly, how many resources do you need? They all say the same thing. |
| 23:41.25 | Amarande | just make sure that if you do a map addon, that it checks the continent numbers properly :) |
| 23:41.32 | Amarande | I need to see if cartographer's been fixed with that lol |
| 23:42.19 | SetiHunter | trying to make my own message type atm but can only find wiki tutorial which seems to use non-supported functions, lol |
| 23:43.00 | Lopeppeppy | What type of message are you creating? |
| 23:43.21 | SetiHunter | a "friend" message with diffrent color |
| 23:46.10 | Amarande | hmm, is this a bug or intended? |
| 23:46.16 | SetiHunter | but to start with I´m just trying to make it print a string automaticly with some other color then white ^^ |
| 23:46.19 | Amarande | you know the old world class specific tailoring robes? |
| 23:46.30 | Amarande | apparently, the pattern for the robe of the archmage is for some reason usable by DKs as well |
| 23:46.35 | Amarande | even though the robe itself is still only usable by mages |
| 23:47.10 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. is there any way to get arena points without actually DOING arenas? |
| 23:48.12 | Amarande | it's definitely odd. |
| 23:48.40 | Amarande | Night: not that I know of, no |
| 23:48.57 | Amarande | as far as I know, you get APs even if you are the most el sucko arena player there is as long as you play ten games, but you still have to play |
| 23:49.05 | NightHawkTheSane | you'll forgive me if i prefer the opinino of someone who's done level 80 content. :) |
| 23:49.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought i heard something about being able to get arena points in wintergrasp, but i may be misremembering |
| 23:51.12 | ScytheBlade1 | That's really impressive... Routes is crashing my WoW |
| 23:51.18 | ScytheBlade1 | At least I think it's Routes |
| 23:51.25 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. |
| 23:51.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Not just locking it up... hard crashing it instantly |
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| 23:52.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: ^ |
| 23:53.34 | Lopeppeppy | My chinese takeout fortune: "Time and patience are called for, many surprises await you." |
| 23:58.21 | AnduinLothar | in bed |
| 23:58.24 | cbreak | time and patience until you get the food... and then the bill :) |
| 23:58.42 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly, AL. |
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