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| 00:00.58 | Gnarfoz | 1 second |
| 00:02.08 | Lothaer | sooo whats new? |
| 00:02.35 | pastamancer | It looks like the SecurePetHeaders don't cope well with multiple units with the same name... unfortunately this is a problem with the introduction of vehicles which often do have the same name |
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| 00:06.57 | Amarande | hmm |
| 00:07.03 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5101130/windows-vista-sp2-features-and-fixes-unveiled-beta-announced |
| 00:07.05 | Amarande | why is it saying I have no characters on Quel'dorei when I go to the transfer page? |
| 00:08.46 | Fisker- | an i'm a symbolic link to you (not the one that's the symbolic link to a goat) |
| 00:08.49 | Fisker- | and* |
| 00:08.58 | [dRaCo] | NO U |
| 00:09.30 | Fisker- | i'm downloading GTA |
| 00:09.30 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 00:09.32 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 00:09.35 | Fisker- | even though it sucks |
| 00:09.48 | Thunder_Child | you suck |
| 00:09.48 | njal | anyone happen to know if there is a way to reverse the R/L of wows sound ouput? |
| 00:10.06 | NightHawkTheSane | swich your right and left speakers? :P |
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| 00:10.23 | Thunder_Child | heh, thats what i was thinking |
| 00:10.28 | MentalPower | njal: other than NightHawkTheSane's suggestion, nop |
| 00:10.54 | Thunder_Child | actually, i think there is intermediary software that will do it |
| 00:11.15 | njal | its weird, all other programs I try get it right (Im on a mac, using the default headset output) |
| 00:11.19 | Arrowmaster | wtf my antivirus just poped up for that gizmodo link |
| 00:11.29 | Silentspy | njal |
| 00:11.31 | Amarande | wow, I'm also surprised that tichondrius is not locked for transfers |
| 00:11.36 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, joke? |
| 00:11.37 | Amarande | not that I'm going to actually go there, but I'm surprised |
| 00:11.43 | Silentspy | check if headset cable is inserted propely :P |
| 00:12.11 | NeoTron | the real secret with Tichondrius is that anyone not on Tichondrius could care less about the server |
| 00:12.13 | Arrowmaster | it says "Attempt to download malicious software" "Object: http://www.google.com/jsapi?key=" |
| 00:12.18 | njal | scratch that, I'm not using the default headset output, I'm using a headset connected via usb, hehe |
| 00:12.41 | NeoTron | njal: mac has some "midi settings" that might be able to switch it |
| 00:12.54 | NeoTron | contrary to the name it's not just for midi stuf |
| 00:13.01 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, i have no idea, i have no issue |
| 00:13.06 | Gnarfoz | he's using an external sound card anyway |
| 00:13.10 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: there's a post on failblog about that. |
| 00:13.12 | NeoTron | I know it can swap rear/front speakers for example |
| 00:13.26 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: failblog? |
| 00:13.30 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: shouldn't be relevant really |
| 00:13.30 | Dashkal | http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/02/actnsswift-virus-affecting-embedded-youtube-vids/ |
| 00:13.39 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: since failblog has embedded videos |
| 00:13.55 | Dashkal | read the update of that link |
| 00:14.04 | njal | *tries to google it* |
| 00:14.31 | Arrowmaster | weird |
| 00:14.31 | Thunder_Child | there is no youtube content on that page though |
| 00:14.37 | NeoTron | it's under applications->utilities or so if you want to test it |
| 00:14.42 | Kraps | does a priest have a spell similar to chain heal? |
| 00:14.46 | Arrowmaster | since im using kaspersky and not a CA antivirus |
| 00:14.55 | Dashkal | Thunder_Child: looks like it's a flash thing |
| 00:15.08 | NeoTron | "/Applications/Utilities/Audio MIDI Setup.app" to be exact |
| 00:16.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: define "similar to" |
| 00:17.07 | NeoTron | No they don't but they have CoH |
| 00:17.22 | NeoTron | which is similar only because it heals ppl with the least health first |
| 00:17.27 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: emphases on "chain", a multi heal |
| 00:17.27 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: well, poh, pom, coh all can be considered "similar" |
| 00:17.47 | NightHawkTheSane | but really, they're all very different spells |
| 00:17.52 | NeoTron | right |
| 00:18.06 | NeoTron | didn't mention PoH since it's group specific not raid wide |
| 00:18.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: every healing class has a multi-target healing ability. |
| 00:18.49 | gitfinger | HUZZAH!!! |
| 00:18.55 | Kraps | hmm |
| 00:19.03 | Amarande | grrrr |
| 00:19.04 | Amarande | c'mon Alvaerin |
| 00:19.08 | Amarande | become available for transfer :| |
| 00:19.09 | Esamynn|Work | ~poke gitfinger |
| 00:19.10 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind gitfinger, pokes gitfinger repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 00:19.26 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: good grief, people actually use Kaspersky? :| |
| 00:19.48 | Arrowmaster | i find it to be better than most other stuff |
| 00:20.09 | Kraps | i'm having trouble leveling a shammie, think a priest would be better? |
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| 00:20.27 | NightHawkTheSane | are you leveling resto, or something moronic like that? |
| 00:20.35 | Kraps | lol no |
| 00:20.46 | Kraps | its boring i think |
| 00:21.02 | Kraps | too many totems also |
| 00:21.12 | Amarande | actually, resto is supposed to be easy to level |
| 00:21.13 | Amarande | just slow as sludge |
| 00:21.24 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, totems aren't really worth it when soloing |
| 00:21.33 | NightHawkTheSane | and you only need to worry about a few. |
| 00:21.34 | Corr-work | thus, boring |
| 00:21.40 | Amarande | it's like how in console games I habitually invest my stat points into defensive stats rather than attack heh |
| 00:21.40 | Corr-work | you want a healer? |
| 00:21.50 | Corr-work | i would suggest, in my old play style, a druid |
| 00:21.52 | Amarande | for instance, my current Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne character |
| 00:21.59 | Amarande | I've been putting pretty much everything into Vitality and Magic |
| 00:22.36 | Kraps | Corr-work: and level as balance? not interested in melee |
| 00:22.41 | Corr-work | you can level feral or, once you've got a few levels in you, balance |
| 00:22.47 | Kraps | 1 is enough |
| 00:22.52 | Corr-work | or resto for all i care |
| 00:23.03 | gitfinger | http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=REUKc83cZys |
| 00:23.06 | Corr-work | but the last would not be terribly quick either |
| 00:23.36 | Kraps | i have a pally RAF friend too |
| 00:23.48 | Amarande | I'm thinking I'm going to switch my currently ele shaman over to enh for leveling at 43 |
| 00:23.52 | Amarande | she's currently 41 |
| 00:23.55 | Corr-work | Balance is fun enough once you've got the hang of it. it's a little less entertaining in non-outdoors areas and you can't root people. |
| 00:24.03 | Amarande | but I refuse to go enh dual wield before 43 |
| 00:24.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: root works anywhere t hese days |
| 00:24.13 | Corr-work | eh? well, never mind about that, then. |
| 00:24.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: enh is fine pre-DW |
| 00:24.41 | Amarande | I insist on having improved dual wield so I actually hit things more often than enemy mooks in a James Bond movie :) |
| 00:24.57 | NightHawkTheSane | that's absurd. |
| 00:25.06 | Corr-work | your mom's absurd. |
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| 00:25.20 | Amarande | btw, any idea when they're going to fix Curse of the Tides? |
| 00:25.23 | NightHawkTheSane | DW is still better damage even without imp dw |
| 00:25.58 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&n=Sheriana <-- shaman currently |
| 00:27.08 | [dRaCo] | get 2 of thoses axes from the final boss in ZF, put crusader on em and start grinding |
| 00:27.09 | [dRaCo] | :D |
| 00:27.18 | Amarande | lol |
| 00:27.23 | Amarande | I don't have the money for crusader on that realm |
| 00:27.39 | Corr-work | mmm, nothing is as particularly stimulating as a nice draenei girl with her own totems |
| 00:27.53 | [dRaCo] | money... |
| 00:27.54 | Kraps | i think i'll go priest, then have my friend level my shammie at 43 |
| 00:28.03 | Amarande | Draenei are about the only alliance race I really like playing most of the time |
| 00:28.26 | Amarande | which is kinda a shame, since if I was more a fan of Alliance I'd probably have an easier time with some things |
| 00:29.22 | Kraps | is it bad if my friend grants my priest level 34 from 11 |
| 00:29.54 | Corr-work | i cannot say, as i know nothing about granting |
| 00:30.26 | Kraps | how much will it cost my main? :( |
| 00:32.02 | Amarande | anyway, the problem with Curse of the Tides is pretty simple |
| 00:32.32 | Amarande | I go ghostwolf, waterwalk over to the ruins without incident, activate waterbreathing, go underwater & kill a couple murlocs that might interfere with me, then I use Catelyn's Blade on the altar and ... nothing happens |
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| 00:32.39 | Amarande | the goblin guy just stands there and stays green |
| 00:33.47 | Amarande | grrrrr. |
| 00:33.53 | Amarande | still 'you have no characters on quel'dorei' |
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| 00:40.39 | Kraps | what dots besides SW:P does a priest have? |
| 00:41.37 | Shirik | ~emulate Cairenn |
| 00:41.38 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 00:41.38 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:41.38 | Shirik | ~Cairenn |
| 00:41.39 | purl | i guess cairenn is one of the administrators of WoWInterface, also EQI, EQ2I, LotROI and VGI |
| 00:41.39 | Shirik | :( :( |
| 00:41.39 | Tem|laptop | omfg |
| 00:41.44 | Tem|laptop | I am sitting in a college classrom |
| 00:41.58 | Tem|laptop | and people are not understanding converting celcius to fahrenheit |
| 00:42.04 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 00:42.06 | Tem|laptop | my mind is officially fucking blown |
| 00:42.15 | Tem|laptop | this is high school shit |
| 00:42.18 | WobWork | Kraps: none? |
| 00:42.25 | Kraps | damn |
| 00:42.26 | WobWork | unless there's some new spell |
| 00:42.30 | WobWork | in 3.0 |
| 00:43.07 | Thunder_Child | Tem|laptop, memorised ot just not undeerstanding in general |
| 00:43.16 | WobWork | Tem|laptop: what... aren't... they understanding? |
| 00:43.24 | WobWork | that there's celcius in the first place? |
| 00:43.28 | Tem|laptop | no |
| 00:43.30 | Tem|laptop | like |
| 00:43.31 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 00:43.32 | purl | ~pong |
| 00:43.35 | Tem|laptop | how do you go between them? |
| 00:43.37 | Tem|laptop | I don't get it |
| 00:43.53 | Cralor` | if i wanted to get a number from a slash command , wouldn't this work : http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103502-f85n |
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| 00:43.55 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 00:44.04 | WobWork | bad ping, Shirik? |
| 00:44.07 | Cralor` | or is the SetFont just not correct the way i am doing it? |
| 00:44.10 | Thunder_Child | wtf, all of the text in my system just went bold |
| 00:44.19 | WobWork | all of it? |
| 00:44.23 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 00:44.30 | Thunder_Child | ecstasia: manager, IRC |
| 00:44.31 | Shirik | did I actually get a response, WobWork? |
| 00:44.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps, WobWork: Vampiric Touch is a DoT |
| 00:44.35 | Thunder_Child | task* |
| 00:44.35 | Shirik | I wasn't seeing anything |
| 00:44.36 | WobWork | Perhaps it's a sign your computer thinks you're getting old |
| 00:44.48 | WobWork | <Shirik> ~ping |
| 00:44.48 | WobWork | * Shirik has quit (Remote closed the connection) |
| 00:44.48 | WobWork | <purl> ~pong |
| 00:44.53 | bnovc | is there a way that i can setScale so that 1 unit == 1 pixel inside my frame |
| 00:44.58 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: not really? |
| 00:44.59 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: oh yeah =) |
| 00:45.02 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, really |
| 00:45.02 | Thunder_Child | well it seems to be messing other things up as well |
| 00:45.11 | NightHawkTheSane | it deals damage, over time. what do you what it to do? |
| 00:45.12 | Tem|laptop | bnovc, yes |
| 00:45.18 | Tem|laptop | but it's not exactly spot on |
| 00:45.19 | Kraps | more like a hot |
| 00:45.19 | Shirik | did I disconnect almost immediately? |
| 00:45.19 | bnovc | Tem|laptop: how would i determine it? |
| 00:45.26 | Tem|laptop | use GetEffectiveScale |
| 00:45.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: vampiric TOUCH. l2read |
| 00:45.35 | Kraps | O_O |
| 00:45.37 | Cralor` | Shirik: i thought so |
| 00:45.55 | Shirik | it was probably my OS cleaning up the connection as I disconnected or something |
| 00:45.56 | Shirik | flushing it |
| 00:46.01 | WobWork | Causes 600 Shadow damage over 15 sec to your target and causes up to 10 party or raid members to gain 0.25% of their maximum mana per second when you deal damage from Mind Blast. |
| 00:46.08 | WobWork | (replace 600 with X) |
| 00:46.14 | bnovc | Tem|laptop: no wowwiki article! oh no! |
| 00:46.58 | Tem|laptop | f:SetScale(1/parent:GetEffectiveScale()) |
| 00:47.07 | bnovc | thanks thats what i was trying :) |
| 00:47.31 | Kraps | can someone please link a level 50 SPriest build? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=h |
| 00:47.48 | Kraps | for leveling |
| 00:49.00 | bnovc | Tem|laptop: hm, that made it a lot more wrong than before :( |
| 00:49.11 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, i lied, some of it's bold, the rest, like FF is all italics |
| 00:49.27 | Thunder_Child | or bold |
| 00:49.29 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 00:49.32 | Thunder_Child | restart time |
| 00:50.03 | bnovc | i did theframei'mdrawingto:SetScale(1/UIParent:GetEffectiveScale()) |
| 00:50.14 | bnovc | now 350 units is 262 pixels, it was about 325 before |
| 00:50.23 | Syzgyn | Kraps: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bZZG0fVRfzfiocz |
| 00:50.34 | Tem|laptop | I don't believe you? |
| 00:51.41 | bnovc | Tem|laptop: http://pastebin.com/m522d2a4 (its largly copied from artpad because i was learning) |
| 00:51.49 | bnovc | line 12 is it |
| 00:52.01 | Kraps | Syzgyn: so mind flay is worth is |
| 00:52.06 | Syzgyn | yes |
| 00:52.18 | NightHawkTheSane | mind flay is the bread and butter of priest dps |
| 00:52.46 | Cralor` | bread and butter... you like saying that ;) |
| 00:52.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i like bread and butter. |
| 00:53.02 | NightHawkTheSane | what has bread and butter ever done to you?! |
| 00:53.04 | Cralor` | warm bread is bestest! |
| 00:53.33 | Kraps | yeah i was only able to see that be comparing it to concussive shot |
| 00:53.39 | Kraps | :/ |
| 00:54.29 | Kraps | skip shadow power? |
| 00:54.32 | WobWork | mmm |
| 00:54.35 | WobWork | bread and butter |
| 00:54.41 | WobWork | I remember school camp |
| 00:54.50 | WobWork | that was the only thing worth eating at times =P |
| 00:54.59 | bnovc | Tem|laptop: ah, probably because effective scale is 1 all the time |
| 00:55.17 | bnovc | apparently using it on UIParent is not valid |
| 00:55.22 | WobWork | bnovc: better than WAR where the effective scale was by default about 0.7 =) |
| 00:55.22 | Tem|laptop | um |
| 00:55.23 | Kraps | no imp shadowform? |
| 00:55.25 | Tem|laptop | no |
| 00:55.57 | Tem|laptop | bnovc, if UIParent's scale has been changed (the user used the interface scale slider in the interface options) then UIParent:GetEffectiveScale will reflect that |
| 00:56.16 | bnovc | oh i dont mean the slider ... i meant how WoW naturally does it at different resolutions |
| 00:56.24 | bnovc | i dont want the things i'm drawing to look weird |
| 00:56.34 | bnovc | it is 1:1 at 1024 |
| 00:56.45 | Tem|laptop | GetEffectiveScale is basically this: GetEffectiveScale(self) return self:GetScaleI() * self:GetParent():GetEffectiveScale() end |
| 00:57.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps, WobWork: oh, and devouring plague is now baseline. so 3 dots. |
| 00:58.03 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: is that a 3.0 talent? |
| 00:58.12 | WobWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.12 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: no, it's a baseline ability |
| 00:58.25 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it was made baseline in 3.0, used to be undead racial |
| 00:58.27 | Cralor` | what is %d in a string? |
| 00:58.32 | WobWork | It's really been a while since I played shadowpriest =) |
| 00:58.39 | WobWork | or priest at all for that matter |
| 00:58.45 | WobWork | Cralor`: decimal? |
| 00:58.57 | WobWork | or number, really |
| 00:59.17 | Cralor` | scale (%d+) = scale POSITIVE NUMBER ? |
| 00:59.24 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: yow. 25% of mana? |
| 00:59.32 | WobWork | no\ |
| 00:59.39 | WobWork | it means any length of digits |
| 00:59.50 | Cralor` | so what does scale (%d+) mean :D |
| 00:59.51 | Tem|laptop | it's a "regex" |
| 00:59.59 | Tem|laptop | look that up on wowwiki |
| 01:00.05 | WobWork | it means capture any continuous string of digits |
| 01:00.10 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: of -base- mana. Lasts 24s, and heals you for 15% of damage done. it's a freaking beefy spell :p |
| 01:00.10 | Tem|laptop | NO |
| 01:00.12 | Tem|laptop | bas WobWork |
| 01:00.13 | Tem|laptop | bad |
| 01:00.17 | Tem|laptop | don't give them the fish |
| 01:00.18 | Kraps | Syzgyn: why no shadow power or imp shadowform? not disagreeing, just wondering |
| 01:00.21 | Tem|laptop | make them learn |
| 01:00.46 | WobWork | oh base? |
| 01:00.49 | WobWork | hm, that's kinda cool |
| 01:01.10 | kd3 | oh wow. cool. [Spiffy] D.C. bars may be open 24/7 for the inauguration. That's change we can *hic* believe in |
| 01:01.12 | WobWork | well everything is % of base mana now isn't it? |
| 01:01.52 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: yes |
| 01:02.07 | Cralor` | and '+' represents x? |
| 01:02.11 | WobWork | Tem|laptop: point... I guess I subscribe to the "Give a man a fire, and he'll be warm for the night..." |
| 01:02.19 | WobWork | Cralor`: Go read up on regex |
| 01:02.25 | Cralor` | i am looking now |
| 01:02.31 | WobWork | it's too complex to explain bit by bit |
| 01:02.32 | Cralor` | %d means all digits |
| 01:02.49 | Cralor` | x (where x is not one of the magic characters ^$()%.[]*+-?) --- represents the character x itself. |
| 01:03.00 | Cralor` | oh wait |
| 01:03.45 | Cralor` | 1 or more repititions |
| 01:03.51 | bnovc | Tem|laptop: so is there a different function to get wow's scale internally |
| 01:04.10 | Tem|laptop | ... |
| 01:04.11 | Tem|laptop | no |
| 01:04.28 | Tem|laptop | oh wait |
| 01:04.33 | Tem|laptop | hang on |
| 01:04.39 | bnovc | i have no idea what WoW is doing |
| 01:04.41 | Tem|laptop | there's some magic with like screen size or something |
| 01:04.54 | bnovc | if i make my box 400 pixels wide, it makes it 300 |
| 01:04.59 | bnovc | so i thought to myself ... -25% |
| 01:05.09 | Tem|laptop | I seem to remember it reducing the UI to a standard resolution |
| 01:05.13 | Tem|laptop | or something |
| 01:05.15 | Tem|laptop | you can figure it out |
| 01:05.17 | bnovc | so i tried 533 to make it 400 and i got 501 |
| 01:05.20 | kd3 | there's no such thing as pixels |
| 01:05.34 | bnovc | some strange logic |
| 01:05.47 | Tem|laptop | just don't worry about it imo |
| 01:05.52 | Tem|laptop | it's so not worth it |
| 01:06.02 | bnovc | probably not but now its bothering me, too |
| 01:06.28 | bnovc | why does it do -25% of my size if i'm at 400 and -6.2% of my size if i'm at 533 |
| 01:07.07 | bnovc | some kind of exponential algorithm as it gest smaller? |
| 01:07.28 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_coordinates |
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| 01:08.13 | Kraps | priest die a lot |
| 01:08.26 | `Zypher | how would I go about broadcasting an event? |
| 01:08.30 | `Zypher | aka |
| 01:08.37 | `Zypher | CHAT_MSG_MONSTER_EMOTE |
| 01:10.01 | Amarande | aarrrgghhhh |
| 01:10.16 | Amarande | just how bloody long does it take before it stops saying "You have no characters on <realm>, please select a different realm"? |
| 01:10.27 | Amarande | or are there realms you can't transfer FROM, not just can't transfer to? |
| 01:10.35 | kd3 | to |
| 01:10.50 | Amarande | kd3: it keeps saying I have no characters on the realm my character is coming from |
| 01:11.07 | kd3 | check back tomorrow. maintenance always does weird things to the web interfac |
| 01:11.59 | Kraps | do priests have something like a mages evocation? |
| 01:12.18 | `Zypher | Dispersion |
| 01:12.19 | `Zypher | yes |
| 01:12.19 | WobWork | Kraps: priest should not tank =) |
| 01:12.23 | `Zypher | Shadow talent |
| 01:12.33 | Tem|laptop | oh my god |
| 01:12.38 | WobWork | it's the top tier talent though |
| 01:12.41 | Tem|laptop | are there really 2 more hours left in this class tonight? |
| 01:12.43 | Kraps | WobWork: what :) |
| 01:12.52 | Tem|laptop | I'm so done with this class |
| 01:12.55 | Tem|laptop | I already have an A |
| 01:12.57 | WobWork | <Kraps> priest die a lot |
| 01:13.08 | Tem|laptop | I'm exempt from the final |
| 01:13.12 | Tem|laptop | this is the last class |
| 01:13.27 | Tem|laptop | I can't take sitting around for another 2 hours |
| 01:13.36 | Tem|laptop | QQQQQQQQQQQQ |
| 01:14.08 | Thrae | Kraps: Priests can get a LOT of spirit and overall mana regeneration from talents, but not seemingly infinite mana like Evocation. That's why Innervate was made a core ability for Druids. |
| 01:14.10 | WobWork | leaving not possibe? |
| 01:14.21 | Kraps | WobWork: we'll, i cant get any kind of seperation grrr |
| 01:14.35 | WobWork | Kraps: Time to invest in befriending a feral druid =) |
| 01:15.24 | Kraps | i have a pally RAF RL friend but hes not on |
| 01:16.05 | Kraps | and lag doesnt help |
| 01:24.29 | Cralor` | ok i am having trouble figuring out why this isn't working. 'scale (%d+)' will act as "scale #" right? is the 'local fontsize' not correct usage? |
| 01:24.35 | Tekkub | 4436. æ¤æ¾ä¼¸å¤« - [Dear Friends: Music From Final Fantasy #01] Liberi Fatali |
| 01:24.43 | Tekkub | bum BUM bum BUM SEFFY ROF! |
| 01:24.59 | Cralor` | woops : http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103513 |
| 01:25.05 | kd3 | I went to that concert when they were in atlanta |
| 01:25.12 | Tekkub | I hate you |
| 01:25.57 | bnovc | Tem|laptop: its 1.066666 for 1280 |
| 01:26.11 | Tekkub | they never came to Denver so I didn't miss it |
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| 01:27.35 | abyx | does winter's chill stack with imp scorch?/ |
| 01:27.43 | kd3 | no |
| 01:29.09 | Cralor` | no one cares to glance at 4 lines of code? :) |
| 01:29.28 | abyx | thats so lame |
| 01:29.54 | abyx | theres no reason to bring a frost mage to raid at all if you have a fire mage, which you will |
| 01:30.22 | kd3 | the rejuv from the water elemental is nice |
| 01:30.34 | abyx | how much total regen does it give? |
| 01:30.41 | kd3 | a non-zero amount |
| 01:31.21 | abyx | (45 second duration / 5 seconds per tick) * 0.6% regen |
| 01:31.35 | abyx | lua> 45/5*.6 |
| 01:31.36 | lua_bot | abyx: 5.4 |
| 01:31.49 | abyx | 5.4% max mana over 45 seconds? |
| 01:34.12 | kd3 | like I said, non-zero |
| 01:34.27 | Kraps | theres no reason to bring a fire mage to party at all |
| 01:34.39 | Gngsk | Tekkub, do you still use addonaddoff? |
| 01:34.48 | Tekkub | no |
| 01:34.51 | Gngsk | k |
| 01:35.18 | abyx | except for 10% crit for all spellcasters as well as better dps than frost |
| 01:36.27 | Kraps | as a tank, i'm required to be pyrophobic |
| 01:36.39 | abyx | also doing naxx with the most lag ever and it's so ridiculous |
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| 01:38.31 | Gr3Ger | Heya, I have a little problem getting savedvariables to work with arrays. Someone who can give me a hand? ^^ |
| 01:39.30 | abyx | don't ask to ask, instead just ask |
| 01:39.59 | Gr3Ger | ok, here it goes then. I've implemented this in the toc file: ## SavedVariablesPerCharacter: item, quantity, arraysize |
| 01:40.10 | Tekkub | FAIL! |
| 01:40.20 | Tekkub | don't use generaility |
| 01:40.33 | Cralor` | something like AddonDB |
| 01:40.34 | Tekkub | MyAddonNameDB |
| 01:40.47 | Gr3Ger | huh? |
| 01:41.03 | Cralor` | you can make more general terms in your DB table. |
| 01:41.06 | Tekkub | item = nil .. I just wiped out your DB from another addon |
| 01:41.07 | kd3 | svs are global |
| 01:41.33 | Gr3Ger | not if they're per character? or am I totally wrong XD |
| 01:41.48 | Cralor` | that's just saving the variables per character |
| 01:41.51 | Tekkub | that has nothing to do with scope |
| 01:41.56 | kd3 | but what if other addons loading for that character use the same variable names? |
| 01:42.31 | Gr3Ger | yeah, true. Didn't think about that XD |
| 01:43.51 | Cralor` | RP_DB.point, RP_DB.relativeTo, RP_DB.relativePoint, RP_DB.xOfs, RP_DB.yOfs = self:GetPoint(1); will effectively save the position of a frame, right? |
| 01:45.08 | Cralor` | can anyone confirm? |
| 01:45.47 | Cidan | uh |
| 01:45.51 | Cidan | n...o? |
| 01:46.08 | WobWork | unless your addon itself is the frame? |
| 01:46.19 | WobWork | or you're calling it on the frame? |
| 01:46.29 | Tekkub | and you only set one point... |
| 01:46.45 | Cralor` | that's all i need. i have 1 frame with 1 fontstring on it |
| 01:46.54 | Tekkub | and relativeTo returns a frame, not a sting I believe |
| 01:47.02 | Tekkub | which you *don't* want to save |
| 01:47.04 | Cidan | why not just... |
| 01:47.19 | Cidan | RP_DB:SetPoint(self:GetPoint()); |
| 01:47.25 | Cidan | lol |
| 01:47.37 | Tekkub | you positioning relative to UIParent? |
| 01:47.41 | Cralor` | RP_DB is my DB >_< |
| 01:47.50 | Cidan | Ah, erm, hm. |
| 01:47.59 | Cidan | Oh, OH |
| 01:47.59 | Cralor` | PlayerFrame by default |
| 01:48.05 | Cidan | I totally misread what you typed |
| 01:48.11 | Tekkub | "by default" ? |
| 01:48.12 | Cralor` | but i understand what you are saying , Tekkub |
| 01:48.24 | Tekkub | when are you trying to save, after a drag? |
| 01:48.29 | Cralor` | i cant have relativeTo because then what if the user wants that changed |
| 01:48.36 | Cralor` | OnMouseUp |
| 01:48.42 | Tekkub | use drag |
| 01:48.50 | Cralor` | OnMouseDrag? |
| 01:49.04 | Tekkub | one sec |
| 01:49.09 | Seerah | OnDragStop |
| 01:49.21 | Cralor` | thanks |
| 01:49.32 | Seerah | (opposite is OnDragStart) |
| 01:49.44 | Cralor` | ok.. so i should NOT save relativeTo? |
| 01:50.10 | Cralor` | actually i'll just set to UIParent |
| 01:52.12 | Cralor` | oh so i need to RegisterForDrag now? |
| 01:52.37 | Tekkub | http://gist.github.com/31390 |
| 01:52.40 | Tekkub | that's all you need |
| 01:54.28 | Tekkub | you can make it fancier and anchor by quadrant instead of always BOTTOMLEFT |
| 01:54.50 | Gr3Ger | I still can't get the addon to save my arrays even when I'm using unique names on them. |
| 01:54.53 | Gr3Ger | TOC: SavedVariablesPerCharacter: TESTADDON48_item, TESTADDON48_quantity, TESTADDON48_arraysize |
| 01:54.54 | Gr3Ger | .LUA: |
| 01:54.56 | Gr3Ger | local TESTADDON48_item = {} |
| 01:54.58 | Gr3Ger | local TESTADDON48_quantity = {} |
| 01:54.59 | Gr3Ger | local TESTADDON48_arraysize=0; |
| 01:55.01 | Gr3Ger | Is there something I've forgotten? |
| 01:55.06 | Tekkub | not local |
| 01:55.15 | Tekkub | wait till ADDON_LOADED fires |
| 01:55.29 | Tekkub | with arg1 == "YourAddonName" |
| 01:55.53 | Gr3Ger | shall I initiate the default values when the ADDON_LOADED event has occured then? and remove the local? |
| 01:56.03 | abyx | do them both |
| 01:56.09 | Cralor` | tekkub: how can i save by quadrant? |
| 01:56.52 | Tekkub | save these values after drag then: http://gist.github.com/31393 |
| 01:57.35 | Tekkub | only really matters when the user changes their UI scale |
| 01:57.46 | Cralor` | i should be fine |
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| 01:59.44 | Thunder_Child | i cant believe i had to do a reg hack just to not have bold/italic anymore |
| 02:00.49 | Cralor` | i have one more question |
| 02:01.11 | Cralor` | i am trying to make a slash command that sets the font size of a fontstring |
| 02:01.23 | Cralor` | usinc /frame scale NUMBER |
| 02:01.42 | Cralor` | unfortunately, i cannot get it to work: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103513 |
| 02:02.50 | Tem|laptop | make it stop |
| 02:02.52 | Tem|laptop | asdfasdf |
| 02:03.04 | Tem|laptop | I am not going to make it until the end of this class |
| 02:03.09 | Cidan | Tem|laptop: lol |
| 02:03.10 | Cralor` | at least it is your last class, Tem |
| 02:03.38 | Tem|laptop | I should have entered the room, checked to see that I got a 100 on last week's test (exempting me from the final) and left |
| 02:03.41 | Tem|laptop | 2 hours ago |
| 02:03.46 | Cralor` | help it go by quicker by reading the above pastey. a whole whopping 4 lines! |
| 02:03.58 | Cidan | Cralor`: l2 debug |
| 02:04.00 | Thunder_Child | ~epic fail Tem|laptop |
| 02:04.01 | purl | Tem|laptop, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Tem|laptop, you are that epic failure. |
| 02:04.03 | Tem|laptop | I can't think about wow right now |
| 02:04.17 | Cralor` | Cidan: n2l, i know |
| 02:04.18 | Tem|laptop | making me think about wow makes me want to leave even more |
| 02:06.37 | Dewin | wtb bayesian spam filter for wow |
| 02:08.27 | Cralor` | i cannot even enter when doing http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103513 |
| 02:08.47 | Cralor` | so it has to be something with my string.match |
| 02:09.11 | Cidan | l2debug |
| 02:09.16 | Cidan | print your msg to console |
| 02:09.24 | Cidan | see what the actual string is you're matching |
| 02:09.32 | Cidan | also, try string.find |
| 02:09.35 | Dewin | Does anybody here use BadBoy or any another anti-spam addons? |
| 02:09.46 | Cralor` | i use BadBoy |
| 02:09.49 | Tekkub | stirng.find is the same, with two extra returns |
| 02:09.56 | Cidan | Oh, well then. |
| 02:10.09 | Cidan | print your msg to console, and print your fontsize to console |
| 02:10.33 | Dewin | Cralor: How well does it work for you? Ever see false positives? |
| 02:11.04 | Cralor` | Dewin: it works rather good. it hides the gold message in the chat frame and immediately reports the person |
| 02:11.33 | Cralor` | Cidan: i can't do anything with the fontsize because i can't even type the slash command. |
| 02:11.36 | Cralor` | i will explain... |
| 02:11.47 | Tem|laptop | HOLY FUCKING SHIT |
| 02:11.49 | Dewin | Cralor: Do you use Prat by chance? |
| 02:11.53 | Cidan | Tem|laptop: NO SHIT |
| 02:11.55 | Tem|laptop | HE'S LETTING US OUT EARLY |
| 02:12.06 | Cidan | Tem|laptop: Why not just get up and leave? |
| 02:12.06 | Cralor` | i type /rct scale 5 - and i press enter. nothing happens. the input chat box does not go away... nothing |
| 02:12.07 | Seerah | lol |
| 02:12.24 | Tekkub | idea: fuck slash config, make a GUI panel, it's not hard |
| 02:12.25 | Seerah | if the chat box doesn't go away, that means you got an error |
| 02:12.31 | Cidan | Yup, sure does. |
| 02:12.36 | Cralor` | Tekkub: yes, but that is my only reason for it |
| 02:12.37 | Seerah | do you have errors turned off in the Interface Options? |
| 02:12.38 | Cidan | Do you have lua errors enabled? |
| 02:12.47 | Cralor` | Seerah: i have 0 errors. |
| 02:12.50 | Cralor` | a green Bugsack |
| 02:12.59 | Tekkub | so it's a simple config panel |
| 02:13.01 | Tekkub | one widget |
| 02:13.28 | Cralor` | ok, Tekkub, ok :D |
| 02:13.29 | Seerah | He still has to learn, Tekkub :P |
| 02:13.40 | Tekkub | learn my ass |
| 02:13.44 | Cidan | Hm |
| 02:13.44 | Cidan | Okay |
| 02:13.46 | Cidan | Bend over. |
| 02:13.49 | Tekkub | okey learning my ass is easy, "insert here" |
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| 02:13.57 | Seerah | it's got a big sign on it |
| 02:14.07 | Seerah | flashy lights |
| 02:14.10 | Tekkub | best tattoo evar |
| 02:14.13 | Seerah | and a red arrow |
| 02:14.34 | Tekkub | "Place penis here" |
| 02:14.47 | Seerah | where's the coin slot? |
| 02:14.48 | Seerah | nvm |
| 02:16.00 | Tekkub | damnit, the not-roomie needs to move the fuck out already |
| 02:16.05 | Tekkub | I need sex! |
| 02:16.15 | Tekkub | and I don't feel right doin it with him here |
| 02:16.15 | Seerah | change the locks one day ;) |
| 02:16.43 | Tekkub | hey speak of the bastard |
| 02:16.58 | Tekkub | no he's going home for xmas and not coming back here |
| 02:17.14 | Tekkub | I just want that to be like, now |
| 02:17.28 | Seerah | okay... then jam a chair under the doorknob ;) |
| 02:17.42 | Amarande | Tekkub, if you aren't patient, you will only get [Coal] for Christmas |
| 02:17.43 | Cidan | hah |
| 02:17.52 | Tekkub | I don't do xmas |
| 02:17.59 | Amarande | heh, I still remember when someone went farming fire elementals on xmas |
| 02:18.09 | Amarande | they must have been naughty, since I think they fought the elite one on top of un'goro and all they got was [Coal] |
| 02:18.48 | Amarande | I've never quite understood Santa's dislike for naughty |
| 02:18.51 | Amarande | everyone knows naughty is nice :) |
| 02:19.14 | Tekkub | some santa bears are damn nice |
| 02:19.26 | Tekkub | it's the ones that just look old that suck |
| 02:20.54 | Tekkub | lol http://www.jeffsmusclestudio.com/graphics/mslbear_whitebeard.JPG |
| 02:21.43 | Tekkub | go go google image search |
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| 02:35.58 | abyx | what kind of checking is done on projects that are submitted to curse.com? |
| 02:36.40 | Cidan | uh |
| 02:36.42 | Cidan | none? |
| 02:36.43 | Cidan | lol |
| 02:36.53 | bnovc | does "can only be run from a blizzard ui" mean a secure frame or not at all |
| 02:37.00 | kd3 | not at all |
| 02:37.01 | Cidan | not at all |
| 02:37.06 | bnovc | i typed /script CastSpellByName("Lifebloom") |
| 02:37.10 | bnovc | apparently you can't do something like that? |
| 02:37.16 | Cidan | no. |
| 02:37.24 | Cidan | CastSpellByName was protected in 2.0 |
| 02:37.29 | kd3 | hasn't been possible since december of 06 |
| 02:37.30 | bnovc | oh i see |
| 02:37.40 | bnovc | so you can't cast anything with an addon, eh? |
| 02:37.45 | Cidan | no. |
| 02:37.47 | Cidan | You can. |
| 02:37.52 | Cidan | Just not via scripting |
| 02:37.55 | kd3 | set up secure frames and have the user interact with them |
| 02:37.55 | Cidan | or automation. |
| 02:38.06 | Cidan | It has to be a hardware event, a mouse click, a button push. |
| 02:38.19 | Cidan | and as kd3 said, via a secure frame |
| 02:39.10 | Tem | I'm free! |
| 02:39.18 | Cidan | liar |
| 02:39.48 | kd3 | whee. they fixed the iron colossus |
| 02:40.01 | kd3 | no more exploiting my way to dalaran while being an elite jormungar |
| 02:40.34 | bnovc | heh |
| 02:40.54 | bnovc | so the bar mods are all secure frames that are only activated with clicks? |
| 02:41.01 | kd3 | or keybinds |
| 02:41.27 | Cidan | that's right bnovc. |
| 02:42.04 | bnovc | so they bind a key to a spell internally but it doesn't call their function when i hit a key? |
| 02:42.29 | Seerah | huh? |
| 02:42.31 | Cidan | what. |
| 02:42.32 | Cidan | lol |
| 02:42.43 | Tekkub | stop. what are you trying to do |
| 02:42.58 | bnovc | i'm not trying to do anything... i just read that CastByNAme and tried it |
| 02:43.00 | bnovc | and now i'm curious |
| 02:43.27 | Tekkub | it's only called from Blizzy code, anything else it will fail |
| 02:43.37 | Tekkub | that's all ya need to know :P |
| 02:43.50 | Seerah | If you want your addon to cast spells, you need to create secure frames. Secure frames can do secure actions within the rules/limits set up by blizzard |
| 02:43.51 | bnovc | well it can also be done through a keybind in a secure frame apparently |
| 02:43.54 | Thunder_Child | need != want |
| 02:44.08 | Tekkub | secure frames are still blizzy's code |
| 02:44.10 | Cidan | Jeez Tekkub, don't slam the guy for being curious. |
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| 02:44.21 | Seerah | Tekkub: yes, but you can create them |
| 02:44.29 | Tekkub | duh :P |
| 02:44.45 | Seerah | just clarifying it for him :P |
| 02:44.48 | bnovc | and then it still has to be done through a keyinb dhotugh, right? |
| 02:44.55 | Cidan | yuh, or a mouse click |
| 02:45.04 | Seerah | *USER INPUT* |
| 02:45.07 | bnovc | whats the reason for that? |
| 02:45.08 | Cidan | Can't be automatic, the key phrase here is a hardware event |
| 02:45.09 | Seerah | or hardware event |
| 02:45.17 | Cidan | So people can't bot |
| 02:45.18 | bnovc | oh |
| 02:45.25 | Cidan | Or do what we used to do with RDX, *grumble* |
| 02:45.50 | bnovc | i think i need to read about what a secure frame is hten because i thought it was something different apparently :D |
| 02:45.56 | bnovc | and RDX is? |
| 02:46.18 | Cidan | Imagine a list of players in a raid, that auto sorted the person with the lowest HP on top, then, all you had to do is spam left click over and over and it would cast whatever spell it needed to without you having to make a choice, ie: if has disease, cast cleanse, else cast flash of light, unless hp is below 30 percent, cast holy light |
| 02:46.19 | Seerah | an intricate addon group |
| 02:46.38 | bnovc | ah, that's a good idea |
| 02:46.42 | bnovc | sounds really boring though |
| 02:46.44 | Cidan | Right, too good. |
| 02:46.47 | Cidan | It made the game too easy. |
| 02:46.53 | Cidan | So, Blizzard struck us down. |
| 02:46.54 | bnovc | game is pretty easy anyway ;) |
| 02:46.58 | Cidan | Made it so we can't do that anymore. |
| 02:47.05 | Seerah | Blizzard's stance is UI not AI |
| 02:47.13 | Cidan | Hence, secure frames, and restricted functions |
| 02:47.15 | bnovc | you cant do that in a secure frame i take it? |
| 02:47.21 | Seerah | no' |
| 02:47.23 | Cidan | right |
| 02:47.27 | Seerah | an addon can't think for you |
| 02:47.32 | Jamash | can't move player frames around by script |
| 02:47.42 | Cidan | can't change what a secure frames cast/do in combat, can't move the frame with a script in combat |
| 02:47.52 | Cidan | you can before combat, but not during. |
| 02:47.53 | bnovc | i see |
| 02:48.11 | bnovc | oh, so that's why i can't bind keys in dominos in combat |
| 02:48.15 | Cidan | right. |
| 02:48.22 | Codayus_ | I used to have tilde bound to pick a heal, a rank, a target, and cast it. On really boring MC raids I just hit that every now and again while browsing forums. |
| 02:48.39 | Cidan | Codayus_: Indeed, I had something setup like that too |
| 02:48.43 | Codayus_ | The game is better without that little feature. ...and without MC as a raid destination.... :-p |
| 02:48.44 | bnovc | so ooc you can say "this frame's click will execute lifebloom/icebolt/etc" but that can't be bound to your own function that determines which spell to run/on who |
| 02:48.46 | kd3 | same for any decursers |
| 02:49.02 | Cidan | bnovc: Right on the money. |
| 02:49.12 | bnovc | ok thanks for the information :) |
| 02:49.17 | bnovc | time to go watches heroes from last night |
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| 02:56.12 | Tekkub | HOLY CRAPU! |
| 02:56.43 | Jamash | orly |
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| 03:26.55 | kd3 | whee, finally. off to my last zone of quests |
| 03:27.59 | Syzgyn | nice |
| 03:28.09 | Syzgyn | I've still got all of Fjord to do :\ |
| 03:29.22 | Codayus_ | ...say, I don't suppose anyone here knows how to make an OS X 10.4 workstation which *has* been bound to AD to authenticate an SMB share against AD instead of its local account list? :-( |
| 03:29.54 | Tekkub | AD, LOL |
| 03:30.00 | Codayus_ | Because I don't think it can, and I'm going to stab the next person who tells me OS X integrates with AD. |
| 03:30.13 | Codayus_ | Don't blame me, I'm not the one who picked... ...wait, yeah, that was me. |
| 03:30.29 | Tekkub | take THAT hippie! |
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| 03:30.44 | Codayus_ | In my defense, I believed someone who told me OS X integrates with AD. :-( |
| 03:30.46 | Tekkub | that'll lern you to think you're an individual |
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| 03:32.28 | Codayus_ | Why can't this stuff Just Work(tm)? Just once in a while? The novelty value would be awesome. |
| 03:33.32 | kd3 | Just Work(tm)-ing is overrated |
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| 03:35.07 | cogwheel | :( http://pastey.net/103524 |
| 03:38.46 | cogwheel | onoes |
| 03:39.31 | Codayus_ | Mmm,that's not that bad a ping. |
| 03:39.42 | Codayus_ | What's it in-game? |
| 03:39.47 | cogwheel | ~600 |
| 03:40.06 | cogwheel | well, 500ish to 800ish |
| 03:40.24 | cogwheel | but didn't start till today |
| 03:40.28 | Codayus_ | Mmm, ouch. |
| 03:40.44 | Corrodias | i remember when the university i was at would saturate its bandwidth during the afternoons, way back |
| 03:40.55 | cogwheel | they replaced my cable modem yesterday, but apparently that's not the problem... |
| 03:41.08 | Corrodias | i was trying to play an mmorpg with a latency of a couple of seconds and getting pissed off |
| 03:41.33 | Gngsk | anyone else running the latest tiptac? |
| 03:42.11 | cogwheel | i have to wonder what's going on in the connection between gx & at&t |
| 03:42.11 | Codayus_ | Looks a lot like your ISP isn't willing to cough up for enough international bandwidth. :-/ |
| 03:42.19 | cogwheel | Codayus_: i'm in ca |
| 03:42.25 | cogwheel | that latency spike is from ca to ca |
| 03:42.27 | cbreak | according to apple, os x integrates into ad. |
| 03:42.30 | cogwheel | (lifornia) |
| 03:42.31 | Codayus_ | Really? I asumed southern hemisphere. |
| 03:42.41 | Codayus_ | Okay, that's really bad. |
| 03:42.53 | cogwheel | and it's a layer above my isp |
| 03:43.01 | cogwheel | this is like deep backbone shit... |
| 03:43.26 | Codayus_ | cbreak: They lie. Well. Actually, they don't, it DOES. Unless you want to authenticate access to a share on OS X against AD... :-/ |
| 03:43.26 | Gngsk | cogwheel, I'm having the same issue on the other side of the country |
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| 03:43.51 | Gngsk | but it's only the realm my main is on |
| 03:43.55 | Gngsk | no issue on other realms unfortunately |
| 03:43.56 | Tekkub | mmm.. deep backbone... |
| 03:44.14 | cbreak | Codayus_: I'd blame microsoft :) |
| 03:44.17 | Codayus_ | I was getting up to 900ms pings for a while; my ISP had decided to start offering a cheap torrent plan, and was sturating their links. |
| 03:45.31 | Codayus_ | cbreak: In this case...no. OS X just won't authetnicate against a directory, and it just should. If I SSH to the box, it authenticates against AD. If I FTP, it authenticates against AD. If I SMB, it doesn't. Fail. |
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| 03:46.12 | cbreak | does it work with a real share? |
| 03:46.47 | Amarande | oh, this is BS, I'm gonna be glad to be off this stupid battlegroup |
| 03:47.00 | Amarande | why does Emberstorm always seem to keep getting regular glitches? |
| 03:47.15 | cbreak | (AFP. Hmm... maybe...) |
| 03:47.16 | Amarande | Few days before Labor Day weekend, it was all the servers in the battlegroup just plain going down |
| 03:47.17 | kd3 | because that's the only bg you're paying attention to. ruin breaks all the damn time |
| 03:47.20 | cbreak | not that I have ever used directory stuff |
| 03:47.38 | Corrodias | the most confusing glitches i remember running into back in the day were underground enemies |
| 03:47.51 | Amarande | Now it's that you can't currently transfer off any server in the battlegroup because Blizz's database software reports any server in that battlegroup as 'you have no characters on that server' |
| 03:48.12 | Amarande | apparently others have been unable to transfer off QD, and it's the whole battlegroup that's bugged |
| 03:49.54 | Codayus_ | Hmm, interesting question. |
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| 03:51.58 | WhiteWolf | is there any way for me to ensure one of my frames is the same size regardless of ui scale? |
| 03:52.17 | WhiteWolf | it looks goofy otherwise |
| 03:52.57 | Amarande | Ouch, I'm glad I don't battlegroup in lower level BGs right now |
| 03:53.16 | Amarande | apparently, there's a nasty glitch being exploited by twinks that is in need of a nerf |
| 03:53.33 | Amarande | I presume they'll nerf it pretty soon, but it's pretty bad :| |
| 03:53.40 | WhiteWolf | hm? |
| 03:53.53 | Amarande | White: the 225 mining perk bonus is currently giving 70 *stam* instead of 70 health |
| 03:54.01 | Iriel | WhiteWolf: Keep track of the frame's effective scale and compensate for it |
| 03:54.14 | Amarande | I presume they'll nerf that PDQ, though |
| 03:54.41 | WhiteWolf | Amarande: fascinating |
| 03:54.44 | Thrae | Haha, running around at Level 30 with like +2000 health |
| 03:54.50 | Amarande | however, right now I'm more concerned with them fixing the Emberstorm transfer issue |
| 03:55.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone here use the in-game calendar quite a bit? |
| 03:55.08 | WhiteWolf | Iriel: hm? |
| 03:55.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Running against an issue here that is... quite weird, and I suspect it's actually a server side bug |
| 03:55.37 | Iriel | WhiteWolf: well, the first thing you could do is simply parent your frame to the screen, thus bypassing UIScale completely |
| 03:56.04 | WhiteWolf | Iriel: well, that'd be perfect, point me in the right direction? |
| 03:56.23 | Thrae | Iriel: Wouldn't that disallow the frame from being hidden via the internal method? |
| 03:56.24 | Iriel | WhiteWolf: but otherwise, you can look at your frame's parent's effective scale, and set your frame's scale to 1/ that.. ie. myFrame:SetScale(1 / myFrame:GetParent():GetEffectiveScale()); |
| 03:56.41 | Iriel | WhiteWolf: the only trick there is to re-apply that whenever the UIScale CVar changes |
| 03:56.50 | WhiteWolf | ohh |
| 03:56.54 | Iriel | Thrae: yes, it doesn't vanish on ALT-Z, which may or may not be desirable |
| 03:57.07 | WhiteWolf | both solutions sound great |
| 03:58.07 | cogwheel | even worse now :( http://pastey.net/103526 though it does seem to show it's fairly intermittent |
| 03:59.04 | WhiteWolf | Iriel: noted |
| 03:59.24 | Thrae | This cat needs to learn my keyboard tray is NOT a stepstool to my lap. |
| 04:01.03 | Thrae | Ah, addon names. Just when I thought we used up all the good ones, I see one for announcing spell casts called "speakinspell". |
| 04:01.51 | ccox | leftover turkey biriyani -- ok, but not the best choice |
| 04:01.51 | kd3 | rofl |
| 04:08.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: hehe, thats amusing |
| 04:09.02 | Amarande | Actually, I kinda hope all kinds of twinks try to exploit the 70 stam mining bug |
| 04:09.26 | Amarande | That way, it will be easier for non-exploiting twinks and non-twinks to steamroller the exploiters when their advantage gets fixed :) |
| 04:22.34 | WhiteWolf | this is a little frustrating, making a 400x50 frame... nil parent is most definately a 500x60 box on image editor inspection :( |
| 04:22.46 | gitfinger | Bibi: /me rolls his die |
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| 04:27.35 | NightHawkTheSane | has anyone done the heroic achievement for jedoga shadowsong, in ahn'kahet? |
| 04:28.01 | NightHawkTheSane | er, shadowseeker* |
| 04:31.34 | Bibi | gitfinger: wat? |
| 04:32.15 | Tem | NHTS I heard it's cheesable right now |
| 04:32.29 | Tem | I don't know how, but I know it's possible |
| 04:32.33 | gitfinger | hah, I'm still gitfinger... CARLA!!!! |
| 04:32.41 | Tem | however, I've gotten it without cheesing |
| 04:33.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: we were one enrage away from getting it, when cyclone strike 1-shot the tank >< |
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| 04:33.23 | NightHawkTheSane | IBF and licheborne are great for those.. |
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| 05:01.38 | WobWork | http://www.threadless.com/product/844/Spoilt?streetteam=theawesomer |
| 05:01.41 | WobWork | is still a great shirt |
| 05:01.56 | Iriel | WhiteWolf: Do bear in mind that all screen sizes are normalized to 1024 WoW pixels high |
| 05:02.30 | WhiteWolf | 768 you mean |
| 05:02.31 | WhiteWolf | ? |
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| 05:03.26 | Iriel | yes 8-) |
| 05:04.00 | WhiteWolf | =D |
| 05:04.38 | WhiteWolf | Iriel: keeping that in mind, suppose back to my example i wanted it to be 400x50 across all resolutions... do i adjust the scale accordingly to acheieve that? |
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| 05:07.34 | Chaosmagi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:08.35 | TC-Away | Cairenn: ^^ |
| 05:09.14 | WobWork | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/3536716/Secret-theme-behind-Narnia-Chronicles-is-based-upon-the-stars-says-new-research.html |
| 05:09.19 | WobWork | interesting... |
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| 05:09.38 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!*@d36-140-49.home1.cgocable.net] by Cairenn |
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| 05:10.16 | Shirik|Ecole | awwwww |
| 05:10.19 | Shirik|Ecole | I missed a banning? |
| 05:10.19 | WobWork | Do I feel 'spirituality' left out? |
| 05:10.21 | WobWork | wtf? |
| 05:10.26 | Amarande | Evening Cairenn :) |
| 05:10.34 | WobWork | is that word even usable in that context? |
| 05:10.48 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 05:11.21 | Kraps | help me chose please http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=38455 |
| 05:11.28 | Amarande | How's things? |
| 05:11.35 | Thrae | Cairenn: Teach my cat that my keyboard&mouse tray is not a stepping instrument to my lap. |
| 05:11.35 | Cairenn | they are |
| 05:11.36 | Cairenn | you? |
| 05:11.49 | Cairenn | Thrae: hah! yeah right there aren't! |
| 05:11.52 | Cairenn | stupid human |
| 05:12.01 | Cairenn | they* |
| 05:12.09 | Shirik|Ecole | I SEE HOW IT IS WOBWORK |
| 05:12.22 | Shirik|Ecole | wait |
| 05:12.26 | Shirik|Ecole | Thunder_Child! |
| 05:12.31 | Shirik|Ecole | sorry WobWork :( |
| 05:13.00 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, WHAT! |
| 05:13.06 | Shirik|Ecole | :TC-Away!i=TC@cpe-76-169-230-188.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #WoWUIDev :+Cairenn: ^^ |
| 05:13.13 | Shirik|Ecole | u so mean to me |
| 05:13.32 | Thunder_Child | how is that? |
| 05:13.33 | Amarande | going pretty good :) |
| 05:13.37 | Amarande | still can't transfer my warlock though |
| 05:13.45 | Adys | nvidia 180.x drivers are AMAZING |
| 05:13.45 | Shirik|Ecole | you only care about Cairenn and not me :( |
| 05:13.57 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, you werent even here |
| 05:14.04 | Thunder_Child | "21:09.34Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Shirik|Ecole enters #wowuidev (i=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik)" |
| 05:14.14 | Shirik|Ecole | eh? |
| 05:14.24 | Shirik|Ecole | I was on my desktop |
| 05:14.34 | Shirik|Ecole | I just changed rooms |
| 05:14.40 | WobWork | to me, Shirik turned up half a minute after the ^^ |
| 05:14.41 | Shirik|Ecole | No love I say, no love! |
| 05:14.52 | WobWork | LATE PEOPLE GET NO LOVE |
| 05:14.55 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, you have to earn it, Cairenn already has |
| 05:15.06 | Shirik|Ecole | most people say the late people get the most love, WobWork |
| 05:15.24 | Shirik|Ecole | I now work on my project |
| 05:15.31 | WobWork | well saying 'late' in that context implies that 'early' is good =P |
| 05:15.52 | Amarande | not only is fail server full of fail, but I can't even transfer off it :S |
| 05:16.04 | WobWork | Amarande: Reroll time! |
| 05:16.29 | Amarande | Wob: 'wait until Blizzard fixes the error' time apparently |
| 05:16.40 | Shirik|Ecole | grats, you just hit 80. Now you get to reroll. |
| 05:16.57 | Dark_Elf | just got wrath of lich queen today, didnt install yet, was wondering if it has been patched since release? |
| 05:17.10 | Shirik|Ecole | it was patched before release |
| 05:17.24 | Adys | Amarande: go install nvidia 180.x drivers, will give you something nice to do ! |
| 05:17.31 | Amarande | Adys: I don't have an nVidia card? |
| 05:17.37 | Adys | who cares |
| 05:17.56 | Shirik|Ecole | install them anyway, lol |
| 05:18.00 | Adys | idd |
| 05:18.03 | Shirik|Ecole | *ati card explodes* |
| 05:18.22 | Amarande | apparently, the entire Emberstorm battlegroup is still bugged up |
| 05:18.28 | Shirik|Ecole | nvidia's drivers actually have a destroyCrossfirePort() function |
| 05:18.41 | Amarande | there's some sort of database thing that's causing the account page to not see characters on any server on that BG |
| 05:19.05 | Thrae | Shirik|Ecole: Just like Microsoft's RunFasterOnIntelProcessors() function! |
| 05:19.34 | Shirik|Ecole | uh |
| 05:19.39 | Shirik|Ecole | oh you mean vs amd? |
| 05:19.53 | Thrae | Right, that other company that used to seriously compete with Intel at one point. |
| 05:20.07 | Amarande | that company that made my processor? |
| 05:20.09 | Shirik|Ecole | I think AMD's problem is that their architecture is different |
| 05:20.21 | Shirik|Ecole | it may be "better" but I think most compilers are optimized around Intel's specifications |
| 05:20.26 | Adys | Amarande: boy your server sucks, your battlegroup sucks, your graphic card sucks, your processor sucks |
| 05:20.26 | Thrae | And there used to be more then just Intel doing serious competition around the P3 days. |
| 05:20.36 | Adys | thats not a healthy life |
| 05:21.08 | Adys | X Error of failed request: GLXBadDrawable |
| 05:21.11 | Adys | well shit, way to go |
| 05:21.46 | Adys | lets see. |
| 05:22.04 | bleeter | I thought the only point of 180.11 was to sort out how the hell they fucked up VDPAU so badly |
| 05:22.13 | Thrae | Shirik|Ecole: AMD's processors have been x86 clones for a long time, so they followed and copied Intel's specifications. The problem with Intel was their mad leap to P4 pre-Hyperthreading, and even after HT they were still struggling even in the mobile market until they went *backwards* and re-issued the old P3 architecture into the Pentium-M. |
| 05:22.13 | bleeter | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=123819 |
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| 05:22.43 | bleeter | BAH ADYS, WHY YOU DC WHEN I POST RANT TO YOU!! |
| 05:22.49 | bleeter | I thought the only point of 180.11 was to sort out how the hell they fucked up VDPAU so badly |
| 05:22.51 | Thrae | Shirik|Ecole: Then they used the Pentium-M to merge into the P4 for mobile and totally regained the market with the Core Duo. |
| 05:22.53 | bleeter | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=123819 |
| 05:23.22 | Thrae | AMD, on the other hand, didn't really innovate quick enough to keep up with Intel's huge R&D budget. |
| 05:23.24 | Adys | Im not sure if what I'm getting here is a wine or nvidia problem |
| 05:23.34 | Adys | bleeter: you got a nvidia card? |
| 05:23.49 | Amarande | I'm not really sure why processors need to innovate especially much |
| 05:23.53 | bleeter | Adys: I've got real horrid colour with nVidia atm when playing video files, like purple trees and bright orange skin and stuff... native DVDs and the desktop and 3D accel is fine.. /shrug |
| 05:24.00 | WobWork | ahaha |
| 05:24.01 | WobWork | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&n=Vihn |
| 05:24.02 | Amarande | as long as they run fast enough and don't fail |
| 05:24.07 | WobWork | vs http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&n=Snuusnu |
| 05:24.27 | Thrae | So AMD bought ATI to try and re-capture the now emerged mobile market with AMD+ATI synergy, but ultimately failed. |
| 05:24.40 | WobWork | Vihn was the belf that summoned me to a Nexus run, then dropped me cause he didn't like my gear |
| 05:24.47 | bleeter | Adys: mind you, that could be the 1.5.3 Xorg I'm running having a hard time with nVidia |
| 05:24.57 | WobWork | And ultimately, despite being one level higher than me, my stats are better than his =P |
| 05:25.13 | Adys | bleeter: i'm not sure its related :P Anyhow I cant start wow more than once |
| 05:25.13 | WobWork | methinks he was worried about being outdps'd =P |
| 05:25.42 | kd3 | bah. I've never been able to start more than one wow at a time |
| 05:26.03 | bleeter | kd3: don't get me started on what happened the day I started WoW more than once! ;) |
| 05:26.21 | Thrae | Amarande: "Fast Enough" has increased in overall efficiency drastically over the years, and because of that, so has software required more and more resources. The most efficient use of your computer's resources may be a simple command prompt, but we've long overcome that and keep trying to innovate based on what people want. |
| 05:26.41 | Adys | kd3: I mean, start wow, works fine. exit wow, exits fine. start wow again, crash |
| 05:26.49 | kd3 | wtf |
| 05:26.51 | Adys | (i've never actually been able to properly dual box) |
| 05:26.52 | kd3 | that's weird |
| 05:27.08 | Thrae | Amarande: My first computer ran at about 5MHz. Now I think my computer uses 5MHz just to display 1/10000th of the screen. |
| 05:27.16 | Adys | kd3: hold on |
| 05:27.25 | Shirik|Ecole | any C gurus around? |
| 05:27.26 | Thrae | Amarande: That's 5MHz with near the power consumption of today's computers! |
| 05:27.32 | Amarande | Thrae: though there's also the fact that ample CPU resources often encourages developers to *waste* CPU |
| 05:27.49 | WobWork | shirik: I find stackoverflow to be useful in times of trouble =) |
| 05:27.50 | Adys | kd3: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15926 |
| 05:27.55 | bleeter | Thrae: 5MHz? LUXURY! When I were a lad... ;) |
| 05:27.56 | Amarande | sometimes, one wonders if this is done intentionally as a partnership with CPU manufacturers, to encourage people to upgrade hardware |
| 05:27.56 | Adys | I think that's related, but not sure |
| 05:27.57 | Thrae | True, but a wasteful product is sometimes better then no product at all. |
| 05:28.00 | Shirik|Ecole | that name is extremely ironic, WobWork |
| 05:28.06 | WobWork | s'true =) |
| 05:28.16 | Shirik|Ecole | The question I want to ask about regards blowing the stack :) |
| 05:28.17 | Amarande | like how nVidia and ATI encourage game devs to push graphics further than needed so they can get people to buy new cards |
| 05:28.21 | Shirik|Ecole | stackoverflow is a site? |
| 05:28.25 | WobWork | indeed |
| 05:28.25 | Amarande | case in point: Guild Wars vs. Neverwinter Nights 2 |
| 05:28.28 | WobWork | www.stackoverflow.com |
| 05:28.33 | Amarande | GW has better graphics, yet NWN2 needs a better card |
| 05:28.35 | Shirik|Ecole | thanks |
| 05:28.41 | WobWork | response time is pretty good, I've noticed |
| 05:28.52 | Thrae | WobWork: Every time I see "WobWork", I think of either "Love" (as in "Wub") or "Wobbly", as in drunk. |
| 05:28.55 | Adys | someone using firefox 3 on windows xp/vista here? |
| 05:29.12 | WobWork | Thrae: Well.. Wob... twue Wob... |
| 05:29.16 | Amarande | Adys: yeah, I use FF3 on Vista |
| 05:29.33 | Adys | Amarande: can you load about: and copypaste me the user agent |
| 05:29.37 | bleeter | ~impressiveclergyman |
| 05:29.37 | purl | Mawage. Mawage is wot bwings us togeder tooday. Mawage, that bwessed awangment, that dweam wifin a dweam... And wuv, tru wuv, will fowow you foweva... So tweasure your wuv. |
| 05:29.47 | Thrae | Amarande: That's because NWN2 is user-extensible, where as GW isn't. The developers in GW could afford to make more "shortcuts" since they knew what was probably going to be on the screen. |
| 05:30.15 | WobWork | bleeter: I -so- -so- want a priest to say that at a wedding I go to |
| 05:30.28 | Amarande | Thrae: speaking of which, do you think NWN2 will be the last great extensible RPG? |
| 05:30.46 | Amarande | and in a few years we who want to weave worlds go back to Fighting Fantasy style gamebooks or straight novels? |
| 05:31.07 | WobWork | Choose Your Own Adventure! |
| 05:31.18 | Thrae | Amarande: If you want something that's moddable but also has an insanely good engine while being moddable, compare Half-Life / Source / Unreal to something. And then remember it took them years and years just to develop the engines for those. |
| 05:31.42 | Thrae | Valve -- "You'll get our game when we're damn good and ready to give it to you." |
| 05:32.01 | WobWork | That's a healthy behaviour |
| 05:32.14 | Amarande | Wob: Yeah, that's what Fighting Fantasy and the like were like |
| 05:32.16 | WhiteWolf | it worked for TF2 |
| 05:32.19 | Amarande | except with basic RPG systems |
| 05:32.33 | WobWork | although I'd prefer "You'll get our game when it's damn good and worthwhile giving it to you" |
| 05:32.33 | Amarande | Thrae: those are FPS engines though, hardly suitable to RPGs |
| 05:32.49 | Amarande | I wonder if after NWN2 runs its course, the only genre that we will get to make user mods for will end up being the FPS |
| 05:32.51 | Adys | wow whatever bugs there are with this driver, holy shit it's fast |
| 05:32.53 | WobWork | Amarande: CYOA didn't have stats though =) |
| 05:33.34 | Thrae | Amarande: Ever since Meridian 59, the line between FPS and RPG has become blurry. While in an RPG you don't necessarily need great physics, then you have Morrowind, Oblivion, and Fallout 3. |
| 05:34.03 | Thrae | I still like sprite-based RPGs, but it's all about the 3D now. |
| 05:34.22 | Thrae | Hell, I still like text-based and ASCII RPGs. |
| 05:34.32 | Amarande | I've noticed Unlimited Adventures still has a following |
| 05:34.38 | Amarande | however, you need to own UA in order to use UA mods |
| 05:34.42 | Amarande | and while *I* happen to own UA |
| 05:34.59 | Amarande | most people these days don't |
| 05:35.47 | Adys | Amarande: mind doing what I asked or should I try and find it somewhere on the net? :p |
| 05:36.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Finally, flying |
| 05:36.31 | Thunder_Child | so i just finished planet terror and my head hurts. someone needs to seriously hurt tarantino. |
| 05:36.50 | Adys | haha boy even compiling looks shittons faster with this graphic driver. |
| 05:37.18 | Adys | either there's some serious issues in 17x or.. |
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| 05:37.36 | Thrae | I've found some x shells take up an insane amount of resources. |
| 05:37.41 | WobWork | MUDs rule |
| 05:38.30 | Amarande | Adys: this? |
| 05:38.31 | Amarande | Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008102920 Firefox/3.0.4 |
| 05:38.43 | Adys | cheers |
| 05:38.44 | bleeter | Nethack maintaining PAIN or Zen conduct |
| 05:38.59 | Thrae | aterm usually works well, but xterm and especially konsole or gnome's version take up a lot of resources, especially if you don't have DRI enabled in X. |
| 05:39.01 | bleeter | prolly the toughest RPG I've ever faced |
| 05:39.33 | *** part/#wowuidev Dark_Elf (n=Dark_Elf@ip205.net253.mw.net) |
| 05:39.33 | bleeter | X shell? WTF? |
| 05:40.09 | Thrae | X Terminal Shell |
| 05:41.03 | gitfinger | you mean there's more to X terminals than urxvt? |
| 05:41.38 | Adys | Amarande: thanks, armory finally works now |
| 05:42.00 | Shirik|Ecole | who needs an X terminal when you have Vim? |
| 05:42.09 | Amarande | Adys: armory checks user-agent and rejects unless it's certain ones? |
| 05:42.16 | Shirik|Ecole | !op |
| 05:42.20 | Shirik|Ecole | all you need |
| 05:42.24 | Shirik|Ecole | or if you're really that bad, Kate |
| 05:42.25 | Adys | achievement-firsts.xml and tooltip-info.xml |
| 05:42.27 | Adys | specifically |
| 05:43.05 | gitfinger | Shirik|Ecole: you sound like a noob who never used vi ;) :P |
| 05:43.11 | gitfinger | emacs or death! |
| 05:43.16 | *** kick/#wowuidev [gitfinger!i=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik|Ecole (bye) |
| 05:43.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (n=Vilkku@dsl-tkubras1-ff22c300-143.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 05:43.22 | *** join/#wowuidev gitfinger (n=bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 05:43.46 | Adys | Amarande: shitty thing is i'm using iceweasel and tons of stuff just gets overriden.. |
| 05:43.59 | Shirik|Ecole | You know, I have determined emacs is good for one thing actually |
| 05:44.09 | Shirik|Ecole | Use of emacs is good practice for being a tank in WoW |
| 05:44.14 | Shirik|Ecole | you just roll your face on the keyboard to do anything |
| 05:44.22 | Amarande | gooooood grief |
| 05:44.27 | Amarande | I'm watching my brother play the first Crash Bandicoot |
| 05:44.39 | Amarande | I have to wonder sometimes what kind of people it takes to design a game like that |
| 05:45.11 | Amarande | it's gotta be either a) someone who just got dumped by their gf the day before being told 'make this level', or b) Melisande Shahrizai secretly works for Sony game design |
| 05:45.12 | gitfinger | Shirik|Ecole: I'm glad you clarified, was gunna ask 'you tank in lisp?? that's hardcore!' |
| 05:45.25 | Shirik|Ecole | so you agree |
| 05:46.27 | Thunder_Child | i think i prefer bleeter better |
| 05:46.42 | Amarande | hmm, come to think of it |
| 05:46.50 | Amarande | is "sadist" considered a plus when hiring level designers for platformer games? LOL |
| 05:47.17 | Shirik|Ecole | ~dict sadist |
| 05:47.35 | Amarande | Shirik: your dictionary fails |
| 05:47.42 | Shirik|Ecole | how does that mean everything from "annoyer" to "rapist" |
| 05:47.49 | Amarande | my thoughts exactly :| |
| 05:47.56 | Shirik|Ecole | ~dict 2 sadist |
| 05:48.00 | Shirik|Ecole | ... |
| 05:48.03 | Shirik|Ecole | ~fail purl |
| 05:48.04 | purl | You suck at everything in life, purl. I hate you because you fail. |
| 05:48.12 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Shirik|Ecole |
| 05:48.13 | purl | Shirik|Ecole, you Fail! |
| 05:48.16 | Thunder_Child | leave purl alone |
| 05:48.22 | Thunder_Child | ~botsnack |
| 05:48.22 | purl | aw, gee, Thunder_Child |
| 05:48.39 | Thunder_Child | "I think I got the NortonAnti Virus, how do I get rid of it!?" |
| 05:48.39 | Tekkub | ~botassrape |
| 05:49.28 | Shirik|Ecole | Thunder_Child, where is this? |
| 05:49.38 | Thunder_Child | Yahoo! answers |
| 05:49.44 | Thunder_Child | i have become a slut of that place |
| 05:50.16 | Amarande | anyway, I have to wonder exactly what kind of evil demented warped mind designs things like Crash Bandicoot I. |
| 05:50.32 | Adys | my kind |
| 05:50.44 | Adys | ~botcrash |
| 05:50.47 | Adys | ~crash |
| 05:50.48 | purl | if you have apps that just can't help but keep shooting themselves in the head, and causing you to lose unsaved data, have a look through /proc/kcore and you might be able to salvage some of the lost data: 'cat /proc/kcore | strings > kcore-file' then 'less kcore-file' works great with netscape that always likes to crash in the middle of typing in forms submissions text boxes. |
| 05:50.56 | Adys | whatever |
| 05:51.11 | Amarande | Adys: it's probably easier to do un-nerfed, original Kara with a raid of all 68s than to play Crash I ... heh |
| 05:51.55 | Nechckn | Bad sheeep! |
| 05:52.01 | bleeter | too much kenny everrett is badd mmkay |
| 05:52.04 | Adys | ~git-finger bleeter |
| 05:52.40 | Adys | anyone using nvidia under windows? |
| 05:53.17 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, i do have a collection of shit questions that i keep to amuse myself |
| 05:53.36 | cogwheel | Adys: i am |
| 05:53.40 | cogwheel | vista |
| 05:53.45 | cogwheel | 8800gts |
| 05:53.46 | WobWork | Adys: I am... XP |
| 05:53.48 | Thunder_Child | as am i |
| 05:53.51 | WobWork | 8800gtx |
| 05:53.52 | Thunder_Child | 8800GTX |
| 05:53.58 | Thunder_Child | see i beat cogwheel |
| 05:54.02 | Adys | any of you tried 180.11 drivers? |
| 05:54.06 | WobWork | u is hardcore |
| 05:54.09 | WobWork | Not yet |
| 05:54.16 | WobWork | But I surely will when I get home! |
| 05:54.16 | Adys | do so they're awesome! |
| 05:54.17 | cogwheel | mine is THIS big |
| 05:54.24 | cogwheel | <gesture> |
| 05:54.27 | Adys | and if you do, tell me if it works because here it doesnt. |
| 05:54.45 | Thunder_Child | cool cogwheel, but didnt your mother teach you not to lie? |
| 05:54.46 | WobWork | so they're awesomely terrible? |
| 05:54.58 | Adys | no, they're amazing but on second startup of wow x crashes |
| 05:55.07 | WobWork | X? |
| 05:55.08 | Adys | so i wonder if there's any kind of similar stuff on windows |
| 05:55.15 | WobWork | I thought we was talking about windows =P |
| 05:55.18 | cogwheel | >< |
| 05:55.22 | WobWork | oh |
| 05:55.23 | WobWork | >< |
| 05:55.24 | Adys | [07:53:26] <Adys> so i wonder if there's any kind of similar stuff on windows |
| 05:55.24 | Adys | \o/ |
| 05:55.27 | cogwheel | that's a rather silly thought imo :P |
| 05:55.40 | Adys | http://bugs.winehq.org/post_bug.cgi |
| 05:55.45 | Adys | ARGH, whatever bugzilla |
| 05:56.08 | Thunder_Child | it would be nice if dxdiag gave the proper driver number |
| 05:56.14 | Adys | (holy sht, terminals are 15 times faster) |
| 05:57.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 05:58.32 | Adys | could someone give me ideas of downloadable 3d games to test some stuff on? |
| 05:59.30 | kd3 | tuxracer? |
| 05:59.33 | kd3 | >.> |
| 05:59.52 | bleeter | Adys: no need for games, just Celestia |
| 05:59.57 | bleeter | if that shizz runs, anything will |
| 06:00.04 | bleeter | astronomy program |
| 06:00.19 | Adys | is there a windows binary? |
| 06:00.22 | bleeter | yup |
| 06:00.28 | Adys | awesome, brb |
| 06:00.45 | bleeter | stellarium's good, too |
| 06:02.14 | Adys | I love you bleeter |
| 06:02.14 | Adys | X Error of failed request: GLXBadDrawable |
| 06:03.10 | Thunder_Child | dont love bleeter |
| 06:03.46 | ReAn | anyone know if that minimap button library was ported to plain LibStub (instead of AceLibrary-2.0) |
| 06:03.58 | Adys | After this operation, 623MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 06:04.00 | Adys | jesus christ |
| 06:04.07 | Adys | what kind of shit do they store with celestia? |
| 06:04.09 | Thunder_Child | welcome bleeter |
| 06:04.16 | kd3 | wtf, 623? |
| 06:04.39 | WobWork | the universe |
| 06:04.40 | WobWork | duh |
| 06:04.43 | bleeter | ^^ |
| 06:04.44 | Amarande | wow |
| 06:04.44 | Adys | ahhh right |
| 06:04.49 | Amarande | the universe only takes 623MB of hard disk space? |
| 06:04.57 | bleeter | *known universe |
| 06:05.03 | WobWork | we've gotten good at lossy compression |
| 06:05.20 | Adys | lossy compression of the universe sounds like a bad idea if you ask me |
| 06:05.34 | Amarande | bleeter: so with currently estimated dark matter quantities, about a gig and a half of space for the whole thing |
| 06:05.37 | Adys | not that I'm a professional into universe-shaping, but I'm pretty sure it'd kind of suck |
| 06:05.38 | kd3 | lossy compression is great! cat universe > /dev/null |
| 06:05.39 | WobWork | (Contents may have settled during transit) |
| 06:05.49 | bleeter | hah wob |
| 06:05.52 | ReAn | anyone in here on a german/french/russian client that can help me test a development build of my mod (You need a deathknight, can be any level) |
| 06:06.21 | Adys | can't be right |
| 06:06.26 | Adys | a death knight can't be lvl 1-54 |
| 06:06.35 | ReAn | i meant any level a dk can be |
| 06:06.43 | bleeter | Adys: that's why I mentioned steallrium, similar sorta thing, good excercise of 3D stuff but not as huge (not as awesome either, but thems the breaks ;) |
| 06:06.44 | Adys | I'm trolling because I'm kind of happy |
| 06:06.45 | ReAn | there's no level requirement to help me test |
| 06:06.50 | bleeter | *stellarium |
| 06:07.07 | Adys | bleeter: this will do, windows version doesnt run and linux version does |
| 06:07.45 | bleeter | Adys: and always, maelstrom for 2d accel testings >< |
| 06:08.24 | bleeter | just don't let slouken's wife catch you calling him by his highscore table names ;) |
| 06:11.24 | Shirik|Ecole | kd3: Your compression ratio is amazing |
| 06:11.31 | Shirik|Ecole | You should write a paper on it |
| 06:11.33 | Shirik|Ecole | you could be rich |
| 06:11.33 | ReAn | what's a good LibDataBroker display engine? |
| 06:12.21 | Adys | Shirik|Ecole: someone, somewhere, outside the bounds of the known universe already made money out of such a method |
| 06:20.41 | NightHawkTheSane | So. Pendulum of telluric Currents, chance on harmful spellcast to deal ~1100-~1700 shadow damage. Wind Shock: deals no damage, interrupts spell casting, and reduces threat. The latter can proc the former. |
| 06:20.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Defeats the purpose, a little. |
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| 06:21.51 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 06:21.59 | Adys | counterspell should reduce threat |
| 06:22.10 | Adys | the tooltip is WAY outdated anyway |
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| 06:22.37 | Adys | it says "generates a high amount of threat" but it doesnt precise that the threat amount is high for a level 30 |
| 06:22.57 | Pizik | Any patch after US maintenance? |
| 06:23.01 | Adys | no |
| 06:23.01 | bleeter | no |
| 06:23.03 | Amarande | no |
| 06:23.19 | Pizik | cheers |
| 06:23.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: it has an inherent threat component above and beyond its normal, so that's "high thraet" |
| 06:23.52 | Adys | i generate more threat with an ice lance rank 1 |
| 06:24.05 | NightHawkTheSane | so? |
| 06:24.19 | Adys | actually Im pretty sure I generate more threat with an unarmed hit |
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| 06:24.43 | bleeter | Adys: with your video driver, you don't generate any threat without rebooting! :P |
| 06:24.59 | Adys | my uptime is as long as my epeen |
| 06:25.18 | Pizik | I'd be more annoyed at someone bitch slapping me than using Ice Lance :oS |
| 06:25.30 | bleeter | Adys: and how long's that? wget http://users.on.net/~bleeter/vpenis.c && gcc -Wall -o vpenis `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0` vpenis.c && ./vpenis |
| 06:26.54 | Adys | it actually calculates it |
| 06:26.56 | Adys | wow. |
| 06:27.15 | Adys | also, 460.9 cm |
| 06:27.29 | Adys | (which sounds quite long, that's what she said) |
| 06:27.37 | haste | then you have less than 50 days uptime! |
| 06:27.59 | bleeter | I really should mangle that for some video card foo stuff at some stage |
| 06:28.15 | Adys | of course i dont, I rebooted like 4 hours ago |
| 06:28.27 | bleeter | I noticed the original site for it had gone off the air, so I used the wayback machine to grab it, added LVM support... |
| 06:28.28 | Adys | make that 3 |
| 06:28.43 | bleeter | ... nothing too exciting |
| 06:35.23 | Tekkub | man, this Barq's is DAAAAMN GOOD |
| 06:35.27 | Tekkub | why is that? |
| 06:35.51 | End | you should demand answers |
| 06:36.16 | bleeter | btw, just for the record... http://img2.moonbuggy.org/imgstore/goat-tampering-world-champion.jpg << not me |
| 06:37.24 | Pizik | He certainly has the look of a 'goat tamperer' ;oS |
| 06:38.11 | Tekkub | god, there was this guy at the oil well place I worked at |
| 06:38.21 | Tekkub | had like 5 different strategies for fucking goats |
| 06:38.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ............. |
| 06:38.37 | Tekkub | you see, you need to put their back legs in your boots so they can't get away |
| 06:38.45 | ScytheBlade1 | psst |
| 06:38.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub |
| 06:38.48 | ScytheBlade1 | You're done |
| 06:39.09 | Tekkub | what's that's just for starters |
| 06:39.16 | Tekkub | *what? |
| 06:39.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why you're done |
| 06:40.37 | Amarande | how, exactly, do you calculate epeen length |
| 06:40.42 | Amarande | ... |
| 06:40.52 | Tekkub | it is incalculable |
| 06:41.08 | Tekkub | as soon as you measre it, you cange it |
| 06:41.39 | Thunder_Child | it's not quantum physics Tekkub |
| 06:41.51 | Tekkub | or is it? |
| 06:41.56 | Thunder_Child | it isnt |
| 06:42.02 | Tekkub | dealing with the super tiny |
| 06:42.13 | Thunder_Child | also dealing with the super stupid |
| 06:43.47 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-242-183-49.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 06:45.32 | Adys | Amarande: i think it's pretty obvious |
| 06:45.52 | Adys | http://pastebin.com/m48f78cc9 |
| 06:46.08 | Amarande | Adys: it's equal to the number of achievement points you went for just to get the achievement points and for no real other purpose. :) |
| 06:46.24 | Adys | eh? |
| 06:46.37 | Amarande | Adys: as in going in there JUST to earn an achievement, even though you might not really care of the content |
| 06:46.48 | Amarande | though in my case, I went to see the low level instances because most of them I'd never gotten to see on the way up |
| 06:47.05 | Amarande | I'd literally never seen Stockades, Gnomeregan, or Deadmines before until I went to do them with my 70 lock for achievements |
| 06:47.13 | Adys | that kind of thinking is fucked up |
| 06:47.32 | Adys | I'm doing all achievements I can by spirit of completion |
| 06:47.41 | Adys | not by spirit of having achievement points or whatever |
| 06:48.13 | Amarande | Gah, I hope Blizzard fixes this by the end of my vacation week. |
| 06:49.11 | Adys | if anything, just the fact that there's an equal value put to raising 40 reputations to exalted, winning 10 matches in a row in 5v5 2200 rating and getting an ingame haircut .. |
| 06:49.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know the name of that perl-based combat log parser? WWS is sucking hard |
| 06:49.25 | Pizik | I thought Stockades sucked compared to RFC (had never been until the other day) |
| 06:50.10 | *** join/#wowuidev d87 (n=x@host89-251-107-18.hnet.ru) |
| 06:52.24 | Shirik|Ecole | Examples of whitespace: Spaces, Tabs, Newlines. Any others anyone recommends? Trying to tokenize a line of code |
| 06:53.03 | NightHawkTheSane | \s? :p |
| 06:53.12 | Shirik|Ecole | not Lua |
| 06:53.15 | Adys | null chars |
| 06:53.18 | Shirik|Ecole | wait |
| 06:53.20 | Shirik|Ecole | what's \s? |
| 06:53.24 | NightHawkTheSane | regex for %s |
| 06:53.36 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah, no regexes. Using strtok if you must know :) |
| 06:53.39 | NightHawkTheSane | at least i think |
| 06:53.43 | Shirik|Ecole | Adys: Hopefully there are no null chars in your code :) |
| 06:53.53 | Adys | hopefully? |
| 06:53.55 | Adys | wtf? |
| 06:54.00 | Adys | do you want my vpenis to drop? |
| 06:54.12 | Adys | add support for null chars in vpenis.c bleeter ! |
| 06:54.16 | Shirik|Ecole | I have no problem with the compiler throwing an error for having a null character in the middle of a line |
| 06:59.56 | Thunder_Child | please tell me you people are NOT making an epeen program |
| 07:00.04 | Shirik|Ecole | lol |
| 07:01.27 | Arrowmaster | Shirik|Ecole: dont forget the rarely used ones at the top of the ascii chart, like vertical tab |
| 07:06.50 | Amarande | Adys: how many WoW players ever get anywhere near close to 2200? |
| 07:07.03 | Amarande | or even, more importantly, how many players can hope to aspire to 2030 for S5 weapons? |
| 07:07.19 | Amarande | like, is 2030 just the high side of average, or is 2030 = "you'd better be thinking of being glad title caliber if you want S5" |
| 07:08.21 | Adys | dunno, how many death knights are there ingame? |
| 07:08.40 | Amarande | *shrug* |
| 07:08.41 | Amarande | no idea |
| 07:09.04 | Amarande | I hope that's not indicating what I think it's supposed to though LOL |
| 07:09.06 | Arrowmaster | "you'd better be thinking of being glad title caliber if you want S5" |
| 07:09.08 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 07:09.16 | Amarande | namely, that the ideal 5v5 team will be consisting of a DK, a DK, a DK, a DK, and just for a change, a DK |
| 07:09.24 | Adys | i was being ironic. if s5 started now pvp would be more broken than tbc s4 |
| 07:09.31 | linear` | i cant wait until s5 gonna be doing so much pr selling |
| 07:09.36 | Amarande | Adys: s5 is starting in a couple of weeks |
| 07:09.42 | Amarande | I doubt much will change between now and then |
| 07:09.46 | Adys | 304 will hit before that |
| 07:09.52 | Adys | it's already something |
| 07:09.57 | linear` | how long do you think until 3.1 comes out? |
| 07:10.03 | Adys | 3 months |
| 07:10.07 | linear` | =\ |
| 07:10.08 | Amarande | linear: gotta be at least a few months |
| 07:10.30 | Amarande | remember, 3.1 will add the next set of progression raid content |
| 07:10.34 | linear` | i did naxx for like 6 months in vanilla now i gotta farm it again in ezmode |
| 07:10.37 | Amarande | and most players still haven't even reached 80 and been to naxxramas yet |
| 07:11.03 | Amarande | Blizzard, as far as I'm aware, has been trying to keep LK at a reasonable pace compared to past tiers |
| 07:11.11 | Amarande | so that people will actually get to -see- content |
| 07:11.13 | Adys | it's not content that pushes 3.1 away |
| 07:11.15 | Adys | its lack of content |
| 07:11.35 | ReAn | LUA> print "test"; |
| 07:11.41 | ReAn | lua> print "test"; |
| 07:11.41 | lua_bot | ReAn: test |
| 07:11.41 | Adys | blizz is only doing 3 major patches this expansion, PERHAPS 4 |
| 07:11.48 | ReAn | ah, there you are you wonderfull bot! |
| 07:11.53 | Amarande | which contraindicates rolling out content so quickly that by the time the next expansion comes out, only a hundred people or so per server have even seen icecrown-10 |
| 07:11.58 | linear` | have they said what theyre doing after ulduar |
| 07:12.04 | Tekkub | they're so gonna do 5 to show you up |
| 07:12.27 | Amarande | I'm still wondering when they're going to add Uldum to Tanaris |
| 07:12.30 | Amarande | and if so, how they will do it |
| 07:12.42 | Amarande | I like the idea that was suggested IIRC on wowwiki, but I doubt it would work at all in practice sadly |
| 07:13.15 | Amarande | here's the problem with that idea (making it an extension of the discs of norgannon thing from uldaman) |
| 07:13.22 | linear` | they could just add a giant cavern with npcs and instance portals aka caverns of time |
| 07:13.24 | Amarande | either they make it a dungeon around the same level, in which case everyone skips it |
| 07:13.45 | Amarande | or they make it a top level dungeon, in which case no one goes there because everyone skipped uldaman on the way up |
| 07:13.57 | Amarande | uldaman is probably actually one of the harder instance achievements to get, too :) |
| 07:14.38 | Amarande | I suspect the best way to get that one is probably to say in trade that you're giving free ulda runs |
| 07:14.38 | Adys | [09:12:02] <Amarande> or they make it a top level dungeon, in which case no one goes there because everyone skipped uldaman on the way up |
| 07:14.40 | Adys | wat? |
| 07:14.59 | Amarande | Adys: the idea suggested on the wiki IIRC was that Uldum would be opened by an extension of the Discs of Norgannon quest line |
| 07:15.05 | Amarande | which requires you go all the way through Uldaman to start it |
| 07:15.17 | Amarande | not only that, but it requires you go all the way through Uldaman while slightly overleveled for Uldaman, since the 2.3 nerfs |
| 07:15.18 | linear` | i doubt theyd do that |
| 07:15.26 | Adys | lol, you believe a lvl 80 raid instance will require people to run uldaman? |
| 07:15.28 | Amarande | because of the level requirement for that quest |
| 07:15.34 | Amarande | Adys: I thought Uldum was meant to be 5-man |
| 07:15.39 | Amarande | Uldum, not Ulduar :) |
| 07:15.58 | Adys | and whyyy? |
| 07:16.02 | Amarande | that place with a door to nowhere but is marked anyway on the south end of tanaris |
| 07:16.12 | Adys | yes i know what you're talking about |
| 07:16.53 | Adys | blizz would not make a 5man instance at a place where's fuck all activity |
| 07:17.07 | Amarande | anyway |
| 07:17.11 | linear` | since were talking about azeroth isnt alextrasza suppose to be in grim batol |
| 07:17.13 | Amarande | any idea what the next expansion is supposed to center around? |
| 07:17.22 | Adys | a place with fuck all activity includes places such as the northwestern corner of swamp of sorrows, or the southwestern corner of tanaris |
| 07:17.23 | linear` | being a slave dragon or something |
| 07:17.30 | Amarande | emerald dream maybe, or is that going to be saved for the final expansion ever? |
| 07:17.43 | Hjalte | Adys: Like where they placed Caverns of time? ;) |
| 07:17.46 | Amarande | Adys: what's in the NW corner of swamp of sorrows again? |
| 07:17.48 | linear` | probably the maelstrom |
| 07:17.57 | Amarande | I can't remember, it's been a while since I did that exploration achievement last lol |
| 07:18.00 | Adys | Amarande: Nothing, i did say fuck all activity |
| 07:18.00 | linear` | goblin capital city - undermine |
| 07:18.03 | linear` | all those islands in the middle |
| 07:18.11 | linear` | sargeras tomb |
| 07:18.15 | Adys | undermine is nowhere near the maelstrom |
| 07:18.19 | Amarande | too soon for sargeras I think |
| 07:18.33 | Adys | and the maelstrom doesn't make much of a continent |
| 07:18.38 | Amarande | I suspect the final wow expansion ever will involve the Emerald Dream, and we will fight Sargeras with Ysera as a friendly |
| 07:18.40 | linear` | isnt there a city |
| 07:18.42 | linear` | with azshara |
| 07:18.51 | Adys | look at it from a designer pov |
| 07:19.00 | Amarande | linear: there's also that gate to nowhere at the south end of silverpine |
| 07:19.11 | linear` | thats gilneas |
| 07:19.12 | linear` | or something |
| 07:19.24 | Adys | they need fucktons of terrain where they can put about 6-7 zones which will have enough variation to make an appealing expansion lasting 10 levels |
| 07:19.48 | Amarande | how many more expansions do you think we'll have, too? |
| 07:19.49 | linear` | they could have some gian tunderwater zone in the maelstrom |
| 07:19.52 | Amarande | I suspect the next one might be the last |
| 07:19.53 | Adys | the last thing they need is tons of water, water, water, island, travel time and whatever |
| 07:19.55 | linear` | plus those islands near the maelstrom |
| 07:19.55 | Amarande | for a few reasons |
| 07:20.02 | Amarande | it means they don't have to worry about the skinning issue |
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| 07:20.11 | Adys | OH COME ON |
| 07:20.15 | Amarande | it means they don't have to worry about redesigning all the unitframes to make room for three-digit levels |
| 07:20.27 | Adys | Amarande bs |
| 07:20.38 | Adys | game and UI mechanics will never push away an expansion |
| 07:20.52 | Adys | theres tons of reasons to think this or next expansion will be last, but none of this bs. |
| 07:20.53 | Amarande | also, we're running out of world |
| 07:20.59 | Amarande | maelstrom is about all there's left, right? |
| 07:20.59 | Adys | no we're not |
| 07:21.04 | linear` | nah |
| 07:21.13 | linear` | they could add like the burning legion homeworld |
| 07:21.23 | Adys | they can add whatever they want |
| 07:21.32 | linear` | or what about that giant moon inthe sky |
| 07:21.34 | Pizik | They will just make something up if the game is still profitable |
| 07:21.39 | Adys | idd |
| 07:22.07 | linear` | o you know whatd be really cool |
| 07:22.16 | linear` | if u went back in time permanently before there was the maelstrom |
| 07:22.26 | Adys | "Hey guys what are we gonna do for our next expansion?" "Well, dunno, we've done all there is to do with Warcraft lore..." "Why don't we make something up?" "Shut up, let's do World of Diablo" |
| 07:22.29 | linear` | that giant ocean in the middle used to be land |
| 07:22.46 | Amarande | Adys: actually, there's something to be said for ending it once they run out of warcraft lore |
| 07:22.54 | Adys | no. |
| 07:22.59 | Adys | theres nothing to say about it |
| 07:23.10 | Amarande | next thing, they'll have to start superseding a world that's been well-crafted and detailed with half-assed stuff they have to keep coming up with to sell expansions |
| 07:23.12 | Adys | they pulled out of their ass something like 2 new planets with BC lore |
| 07:23.17 | Amarande | and then we'll have another BC |
| 07:23.26 | Amarande | where people will QQ that the new content is lame |
| 07:23.33 | Amarande | and to be honest ... outland sucks, lol |
| 07:23.39 | linear` | ^ |
| 07:23.42 | Adys | hellfire doesnt |
| 07:23.48 | Amarande | Adys: heh |
| 07:23.50 | Adys | everything else does. |
| 07:23.52 | Amarande | I always thought hellfire was the WORST part of outland |
| 07:24.15 | Adys | i always thought shattrath was its best |
| 07:24.15 | bleeter | we're still owed an Emerald Dream :P |
| 07:24.16 | Pizik | was gona say, they already have "uperseding a world that's been well-crafted and detailed with half-assed stuff they have to keep coming up with to sell expansions" |
| 07:24.22 | Amarande | maybe it's because I played horde, which means I'd already been through 36 million boring red badland type areas |
| 07:24.24 | Adys | now all i can think is KLANG KLANG |
| 07:24.44 | linear` | shattrath is pretty depressing |
| 07:24.49 | Adys | bleeter: and an undermine |
| 07:24.58 | Adys | and a gilneas |
| 07:24.58 | linear` | now dalaran is the bomb |
| 07:25.06 | Amarande | Pizik: when you start adding crappy content in order to have something to sell, it's generally an indication that your game is on the decline |
| 07:25.13 | bleeter | old world is really showing it's age from a technological point of view. from a new player's perspective, it's pretty horrid these days. /shrug |
| 07:25.14 | Amarande | northrend I understand kinda revitalized WoW |
| 07:25.16 | Adys | so what |
| 07:25.18 | Amarande | but there's only so many times they can do it |
| 07:25.19 | Adys | if it makes money |
| 07:25.30 | Amarande | Adys: that's how we got daikatana :( |
| 07:25.37 | Adys | so what. |
| 07:25.47 | Amarande | btw, speaking of blasts from the past |
| 07:25.52 | Amarande | is duke nukem forever really coming out soon? |
| 07:25.56 | Adys | yes |
| 07:25.59 | Amarande | or is that just another rumor |
| 07:26.00 | Adys | designers are just doing their job |
| 07:26.19 | Amarande | wow, DNF will then take the title for longest in-dev time ever |
| 07:26.24 | Amarande | currently I think that title is held by Ultima IX |
| 07:26.51 | Adys | hold on until you see them releasing a beta version and concurrencing gmail at longest in-beta time ever |
| 07:26.54 | Pizik | The only thing that matters is Blizzards profitability, if people think they have any interest in creative integrity they are kidding themsellves |
| 07:27.11 | Adys | they got tons of title on the go |
| 07:27.15 | Adys | which are pretty creative |
| 07:27.26 | Amarande | Pizik: that's what irritates me the most about the game industry these days |
| 07:27.31 | Adys | so what |
| 07:27.33 | Amarande | there's less and less will to create something new and original |
| 07:27.42 | Amarande | just rehash the same virtual drugs people are addicted to, don't take risks |
| 07:27.52 | Amarande | and on the whole virtual drug thing |
| 07:28.20 | Amarande | that's not my QQ, I actually read a serious article on game design that indicated, as advice to budding game designers, that that's what game design in today's industry IS |
| 07:28.26 | Pizik | It is the problem with having share holders |
| 07:28.38 | Amarande | Pizik: and in the days post-Enron |
| 07:28.45 | Amarande | which means now it's frowned upon to screw over the share holders :P |
| 07:29.06 | Adys | you release a mmo, you make millions out of it |
| 07:29.08 | Amarande | wasn't that Enron's entire business mission statement? |
| 07:29.10 | Pizik | You should all quit WoW and play planeshift ;op |
| 07:29.14 | Adys | you release an expansion, you make millions out of it |
| 07:29.21 | Adys | you release ANOTHER expansion, you make millions out of it |
| 07:29.22 | Amarande | "Enron is a company in the business of screwing over their shareholders by empty promises that cost millions of dollars" |
| 07:29.33 | Adys | you stop here saying "Hey, if we keep this up the game will start to suck" |
| 07:29.39 | Adys | find the logic. |
| 07:30.00 | Amarande | Adys: I guess it comes from having an artist's POV towards creative works rather than a businessman's POV |
| 07:30.19 | Amarande | as such, when I think of creating something I think of creating a labor of love that I create because it needed to be created |
| 07:30.27 | Amarande | rather than looking 'hey, here's a market, let's make something that fits into it' |
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| 07:30.30 | Adys | main thing is you cant keep fiddling with a world and keep going and going and going without players thinking "it's getting boring" |
| 07:30.33 | bleeter | at least many of the mechanics of wrath were significantly new to be interesting and original |
| 07:30.37 | Adys | which is why over time |
| 07:30.43 | Adys | they'll start to set focus on other titles |
| 07:30.50 | Amarande | Adys: it ends up sucking eventually anyway no matter -what- you do. :) |
| 07:31.00 | Adys | meanwhile, if making an expansion is profitable, they do it |
| 07:31.03 | Adys | of course they do it. |
| 07:31.09 | Pizik | I'l give the artists the credit that they actually made a stunning lanscape in Northrend |
| 07:31.11 | Amarande | as for the idea of abandoning something while it's still popular and profitable |
| 07:31.12 | Amarande | well ... |
| 07:31.14 | Adys | wrath is amazingly original yes |
| 07:31.15 | Amarande | they did it with SG-1 |
| 07:31.16 | bleeter | I just get back my observation that 1-70 largely sucks... if blizz come out with, say, two more expansion... which new player is gunna sit through 1-70 of the current crap to get to what will more than likely be rather incredible content? |
| 07:31.33 | Amarande | and a lot of fans are glad they did that to SG-1 now because it meant it didn't have to go into the 'sucky decline where we milk the last few millions' phase |
| 07:31.34 | bleeter | blizz will just start everyone at 40 or 50 or something |
| 07:31.41 | Adys | which is the point of making a new class, say a dk, start at high lvl |
| 07:31.43 | Amarande | now sci-fi can just make cheap B movies to do that with :) |
| 07:31.47 | linear` | 1-70 is fun if youre doing it for the first time |
| 07:31.51 | Adys | and at some point they'll revamp the old world |
| 07:31.51 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, they could increase the XP rate at the low levels |
| 07:31.52 | ScytheBlade1 | In case anyone was wondering, the awesome perl based wow combat log parser is called stasiscl |
| 07:31.55 | Amarande | bleeter: the problem is |
| 07:31.57 | Amarande | 1-60 is kinda neat |
| 07:31.59 | ZorbaTHut | also, the first time you do it, you don't realize how annoying it is |
| 07:32.01 | Amarande | 60-70 largely sucks |
| 07:32.05 | ScytheBlade1 | It also generated 425MB of HTML for three nights of raiding |
| 07:32.06 | Amarande | and even as a DK, you still have to do 60-70 |
| 07:32.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ......... |
| 07:32.14 | ZorbaTHut | there's nothing wrong with 60-70. it's better than 50-60 |
| 07:32.19 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: and how much story and lore do you currently miss out on 'coz of XP rate gain? |
| 07:32.22 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: jesus.. |
| 07:32.23 | bleeter | shitloads |
| 07:32.25 | Amarande | Zorba: I LIKE the plaguelands, winterspring and silithus :| |
| 07:32.30 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, people who care will go back and do more quests |
| 07:32.39 | ZorbaTHut | people who don't care already use Questhelper |
| 07:32.43 | Amarande | at least now you can get to 63 easily without touching outland |
| 07:32.47 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: poking with it, it's outright awesome... but evidently HTML bloat |
| 07:33.00 | NightHawkTheSane | got a link or something? |
| 07:33.00 | bleeter | Amarande: can get to 63 without EPL, Silithus etc. |
| 07:33.03 | Amarande | I slogged through 58-61 on my priest a while back in outland |
| 07:33.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I can link the demo, sec |
| 07:33.11 | Amarande | I've since gone back to silithus and dinged 62 |
| 07:33.18 | Pizik | I only experienced 50 - 60 as "yay! I will be in outland soon" then "Why did I rush through 50 - 60" |
| 07:33.26 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: http://stasisguild.org/sws/live/sws-kiljaeden-1224736211/ |
| 07:33.34 | Amarande | my priest was the first and only character I will ever go to outland at 58 on |
| 07:33.34 | ZorbaTHut | well, once you've done a few levels in outland, going back to the old world lets you level up quite fast |
| 07:33.41 | Amarande | I went into outland with her at 58 |
| 07:33.47 | Amarande | slogged |
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| 07:33.51 | Amarande | and hated it |
| 07:33.55 | ZorbaTHut | but honestly, I don't know what the problem is with outland at 58. I've done it three times now and it's gone quite fast each time |
| 07:34.04 | Adys | wtf |
| 07:34.05 | Amarande | zorba: well, in my case, my priest was also my first character |
| 07:34.06 | Shirik|Ecole | Tem: ping |
| 07:34.08 | Pizik | same ZorbaTHut |
| 07:34.09 | Adys | am i the only one who never makes alts? |
| 07:34.21 | Amarande | and as you might expect as my first character being a priest, I died hella often in hellfire |
| 07:34.21 | ZorbaTHut | half a dozen quests where you do a quest and immediately go back to your questgiver to pick up new equipment, and then, hey, congrats, you're reasonably geared for outland |
| 07:34.23 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: did you use questhelp, though? :P |
| 07:34.31 | Amarande | I was glad when I hit 60 because it meant I could go straight to zangarmarsh and send hellfire to hell |
| 07:34.35 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, only the second and third times, and I was doing the same quests I did before ;) |
| 07:34.56 | Amarande | I'll be even more OP soon once my warlock can make northrend gems for my 62 priest |
| 07:34.58 | Amarande | well |
| 07:35.04 | Amarande | once they fix the stupid emberstorm transfer bug |
| 07:35.13 | bleeter | see, the thing is, before the XP gains, you practically *had* to do all these 55-60 zones |
| 07:35.27 | bleeter | and by that, you learned even to some small degree, made you care more about the world |
| 07:35.36 | Amarande | there's only a few quests that annoy me in plaguelands |
| 07:35.37 | bleeter | and respect blizz's lore and stuff, now it's just zerg to 70 |
| 07:35.46 | Pizik | Personally id rather stay in HFP and skip zanga, but just personal preference I guess |
| 07:35.48 | Amarande | like ... the horde one with uther's tomb |
| 07:36.03 | Adys | lore isn't a problem |
| 07:36.05 | bleeter | wtf should I give a shit about northrend? oh, sorry, I mananged to avoid most of the old world lore dealing with that plto |
| 07:36.16 | bleeter | Adys: it's a symptom of the problem |
| 07:36.21 | Amarande | I skipped that on my DK because of the obvious irritation it would set me to |
| 07:36.32 | Amarande | 1) plaguelands is BUSY these days, because everyone's making DKs |
| 07:36.38 | Amarande | 2) therefore, there are alliance all over the place in plaguelands |
| 07:37.13 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, some people just don't and never will care about plot |
| 07:37.14 | ZorbaTHut | some do |
| 07:37.14 | Amarande | 3) doing uther's tomb quest gets you pvp flagged, and a DK must survive at least 30 seconds pvp flagged, with sub-optimal gear due to the need to have the off-hand macguffin equipped for that long in order to use it |
| 07:37.24 | ZorbaTHut | you can't force people to care about plot. |
| 07:37.24 | Adys | if at some point revamping x% of the old world is necessary |
| 07:37.26 | Adys | blizzard will do it |
| 07:37.28 | Pizik | One thing about DKs, before them, when was the last time you saw "LFG for Stratholme/Scholomance" that wasnt from a Pally ;o) |
| 07:37.41 | Amarande | 4) not only does it pvp flag you, but it alerts alliance that uther's tomb is under attack so you're a free HK for new alliance DKs and their 70 questing friends |
| 07:37.55 | Amarande | Pizik: warlocks needed scholomance |
| 07:38.01 | ZorbaTHut | you can't force people to care about anything, really, which is why WoW consists of half a dozen different games, the proponents of each believing that their game is the One True Way To Play WoW |
| 07:38.07 | Pizik | Ahhh, of course |
| 07:38.15 | bleeter | Adys: I think they'd start a complete rewrite of everything before they revamped a % of old world.. 'Warcraft Universes'. Broken stuff based on Orcale7 is broken stuff based on last century tech ;) |
| 07:38.32 | Amarande | and that's one thing I've noticed a lot about alliance vs. horde, that makes me afraid to get pvp flagged a lot of places |
| 07:38.42 | Amarande | generally speaking, horde man up and quest on their own |
| 07:38.52 | Amarande | alliance lately in outland and earlier tend to have a high level towing them along |
| 07:38.58 | Pizik | You think there will be a WoW2? or maybe a Starcraft MMO? |
| 07:39.00 | Adys | bleeter: not much to care about |
| 07:39.10 | Amarande | Pizik: exactly what would a WoW2 be about? |
| 07:39.15 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, it's an overgeneralization, and I wouldn't call it true |
| 07:39.17 | Amarande | maybe a starcraft MMO but I expect that would fail |
| 07:39.34 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: ur sayin it wrong |
| 07:39.35 | ZorbaTHut | ever noticed how generalizations of that form always follow the pattern "generally speaking, (my faction) (is better), and (the other faction) (is worse)" |
| 07:39.35 | Amarande | mainly I expect a starcraft MMO would fail anytime soon because the sci-fi market is soon to be saturated with stronger properties |
| 07:39.46 | Adys | Amarande: generalizations suck, stop thinking like that |
| 07:39.49 | Pizik | I have no idea Amarande, totally different time maybe |
| 07:39.50 | Amarande | there's already SWG and EVE for sci-fi, and there will soon be a new Star Wars MMO |
| 07:39.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: you're talking to the wrong person for that :P |
| 07:40.11 | Amarande | Even Tabula Rasa didn't get off the ground, and that's with a BIG WHEEL name behind it |
| 07:40.24 | Adys | who cares about the name |
| 07:40.30 | Adys | seriously |
| 07:40.37 | Adys | it's not what's going to get players playing something |
| 07:40.43 | Amarande | Adys: I would have expected that Richard Garriott would have had sufficient name recognition to drive a reasonably decent game's success |
| 07:40.43 | Adys | fans yes |
| 07:40.46 | Adys | players no |
| 07:40.53 | bleeter | well, Blizz always have their brand new 21st century MMO to come, that's untitled but not based on a previous franchise. When it's released, I'd say it'd be a fairly safe bet that all new MMO players would probably look at that first before WoW |
| 07:40.56 | ZorbaTHut | richard garriott isn't very well-known outside of the Ultima Online crowd |
| 07:41.00 | Amarande | although among the young folks that make up a large portion of MMO playerbases, Garriott is probably not well known |
| 07:41.01 | Adys | no one knows who richard gariott is |
| 07:41.07 | ZorbaTHut | and at this point, the only people still playing UO are the ones who will never stop playing UO |
| 07:41.12 | Amarande | he's mostly known among older gamers who were around for the Ultima series, like me |
| 07:41.18 | Amarande | <--- Aurelian Dragon of UDIC |
| 07:41.20 | Adys | and for that matter, not many more people know who tom chilton or jeff kaplan are |
| 07:41.33 | ZorbaTHut | the Ultima series hasn't been a big name since Windows 95 came out |
| 07:42.16 | Amarande | Zorba: I blame that on EA |
| 07:42.16 | bleeter | Adys: gariott's a cosmonaut, yes? ;) |
| 07:42.16 | Amarande | EA all but ruined the last couple of Ultimas |
| 07:42.16 | Adys | a well known garagist i thought |
| 07:42.16 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I certainly wouldn't argue that :) |
| 07:42.16 | Amarande | VIII was a decent *game*, but it didn't fit in with the series |
| 07:42.19 | Amarande | IX wasn't even finished, and until 1.18 it was basically impossible to even complete the game |
| 07:42.40 | Amarande | because most of the versions before that had showstopper bugs that forced you to cheat to continue at certain points |
| 07:42.47 | Adys | i'm gonna make a new slogan |
| 07:42.57 | Adys | Gamers: Worse than Debian maintainers |
| 07:42.58 | Amarande | Adys: EA sucks? |
| 07:43.19 | bleeter | Adys: nah, it's 'Gamers, worse than IM users' |
| 07:43.29 | Adys | gamers are IM users |
| 07:43.37 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember if I mentioned this |
| 07:43.38 | Amarande | but ... |
| 07:43.40 | bleeter | Im users aren't gamers though |
| 07:43.47 | Amarande | EA is fail enough that they make java games that cause your computer's clock to race |
| 07:44.06 | Pizik | Just go the whole way "Gamers,, You Suck!" |
| 07:44.07 | Adys | [09:42:05] <Amarande> EA is fail enough that they make java games |
| 07:44.11 | Amarande | literally. try playing any game on pogo that has any kind of a timer at all on windows xp, and guaranteed your clock will be fifteen minutes fast by an hour or two of playing |
| 07:44.36 | Amarande | how the hell does a java web game make your computer clock fifteen minutes fast within a couple hours? :| |
| 07:44.49 | Adys | idk but it sounds like your web browser has issues |
| 07:44.51 | ZorbaTHut | I remember edonkey used to do that |
| 07:44.58 | ZorbaTHut | weirdest bug ever |
| 07:45.06 | ZorbaTHut | although I would personally blame it on Windows |
| 07:45.12 | Amarande | well |
| 07:45.15 | Pizik | I thought the whole idea of Java was that it wasn't meant to even touch the host system :oS |
| 07:45.24 | Amarande | I'm personally convinced the only reason it didn't happen on Linux is because on Linux you need root to modify the system clock |
| 07:45.26 | Adys | it doesnt touch it |
| 07:45.28 | Adys | it plagues it |
| 07:45.48 | Amarande | and if you're running your web browser as root, then you fail |
| 07:46.09 | Adys | root web browser doesnt have access to modifying the system clock |
| 07:46.14 | Pizik | If you do you are better off using Ubuntu ;op |
| 07:46.21 | Adys | unless your browser is fucked up as i said |
| 07:46.42 | Amarande | in any case, I expect that for a World of Starcraft to succeed |
| 07:46.48 | Adys | it will not |
| 07:46.53 | Amarande | it would have to wait at least for the initial interest in SW:TOR to die down |
| 07:46.56 | Adys | and they won't do that |
| 07:47.11 | Amarande | SW:TOR will likely dominate sci-fi MMO for years to come |
| 07:47.20 | Amarande | with EVE diehards its main competitor |
| 07:47.25 | ZorbaTHut | I doubt Blizzard would make World of Starcraft |
| 07:47.27 | Adys | i thought TBC was dominating sci-fi mmos |
| 07:47.31 | ZorbaTHut | they'd split their userbase, and that would be *dumb* |
| 07:47.39 | Amarande | Adys: no, WoW is fantasy MMO |
| 07:47.45 | Adys | fucks sake |
| 07:47.48 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, for a large number of people, WoW is an MMO |
| 07:47.49 | Adys | catch my jokes once in a while |
| 07:47.52 | Pizik | lol Adys |
| 07:47.57 | ZorbaTHut | and the fantasy part is unimportant |
| 07:48.09 | Pizik | I got the joke Adys ;op |
| 07:48.17 | Amarande | but really, one thing that bugs me the most about games is ... there's so few original -worlds- lately |
| 07:48.23 | Adys | IF they ever make a mmo based on a current storyline |
| 07:48.26 | Adys | it's going to be diablo |
| 07:48.31 | Amarande | apart from witcher, name a successful RPG lately that isn't licensed off something already well known |
| 07:48.53 | Adys | because 1- they don't have a lot of experience with sci-fi art and all |
| 07:49.04 | Amarande | and I'm -sure- the only reason Witcher broke the mold was because BioWare is a trusted name |
| 07:49.05 | Amarande | or was |
| 07:49.14 | Amarande | I expect Dragon Age to not do so well by comparison |
| 07:49.17 | Adys | and 2- starcraft has a smaller playerbase than diablo, which is a much stronger and more solid hit |
| 07:49.18 | Amarande | mainly because of the anti-EA sentiment lately |
| 07:49.21 | Pizik | I've a feeling a Diablo MMO would be too similar to WoW, could just mod the WoW client to do it, a Diablo expansion |
| 07:49.31 | Adys | exactly pizik |
| 07:49.38 | Adys | which is why they're doing it on a new world |
| 07:49.40 | Thunder_Child | i dont even call witcher successful |
| 07:49.50 | Thunder_Child | that game was a load of crapy interface |
| 07:49.51 | Adys | i expect it to be something medieval |
| 07:50.04 | Amarande | in particular: it's likely that dragon age will have that stupid lametastic crap DRM on it like Spore and C&C:RA3 had |
| 07:50.13 | Pizik | But that is just WoW with new maps and story :oS |
| 07:50.24 | Thunder_Child | M&M MMO? |
| 07:50.42 | Adys | Pizik: no |
| 07:50.44 | Amarande | you know, there's a few established sci-fi and fantasy brands I'd love to see MMOs for |
| 07:50.48 | Amarande | but I don't know how many of them would work out |
| 07:50.56 | Thunder_Child | no need to miltibox, you can play 5 chars at once |
| 07:50.58 | Amarande | Black Jewels, Kushiel, Dark-Hunters ... |
| 07:51.01 | Thunder_Child | multibox* |
| 07:51.02 | Amarande | Maybe Dark-Hunters |
| 07:51.10 | Pizik | Fallout MMO! |
| 07:51.12 | Amarande | the other two have severe problems if translated into an MMO |
| 07:51.23 | Amarande | Kushiel fails for two reasons: adult content always becomes immature in an MMO context |
| 07:51.41 | Amarande | also, the extremely low magic nature of the setting makes it impossible to have anything resembling MMO style battles because of the lack of reasonable healing |
| 07:51.42 | Thunder_Child | Amarande, everything becomes immature in an mmo |
| 07:52.16 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, i would really like to try a Might and Magic MMO |
| 07:52.17 | Amarande | and the problem with Black Jewels ... basically is the fact that magic power was everything there, but your maximum magic power was inborn, which means characters would be inherently inferior or superior with no chance to really improve them |
| 07:52.26 | Pizik | Amarande: Maybe they will think of something new that doesn't require magic |
| 07:52.51 | Amarande | plus the fact that Black Jewels was at times -even more extreme- than even Kushiel, content-wise |
| 07:53.09 | Amarande | Briarwood still EASILY remains the single most evil place ever written into the whole of fantasy literature |
| 07:53.27 | Amarande | I can't think of anything that comes even close, even most fantasy cosmos' versions of HELL don't get nearly as evil |
| 07:53.34 | Pizik | Adult Content cuts out a large proportion of your target audience, share holders would never support that |
| 07:53.57 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:54.01 | Amarande | you know what might work, though |
| 07:54.06 | Amarande | maybe a Wheel of Time MMO |
| 07:54.06 | Pizik | Although they may rely on bad parenting |
| 07:54.19 | Amarande | Pizik: aren't most MMOs rated T or M anyway? |
| 07:54.22 | Thunder_Child | Amarande, no, to complex |
| 07:54.26 | Thunder_Child | too* |
| 07:54.32 | Amarande | and most have a requirement that the subscriber be at least 18 |
| 07:54.38 | Pizik | We use the PEGI rating system inthe UK |
| 07:54.38 | Amarande | actually, all do, as far as I know |
| 07:54.38 | Adys | MOST? |
| 07:54.44 | Amarande | because of contract law, in particular |
| 07:54.47 | NightHawkTheSane | wheel of time would be a terribad mmo |
| 07:55.09 | Amarande | IANAL, but according to the books I've read about law, a minor can unilaterally back out of the terms of any contract at any time |
| 07:55.19 | Amarande | which means that they'd not be bound by Terms of Service at all ... imagine the effect of that :| |
| 07:55.47 | Amarande | well |
| 07:55.53 | Amarande | not that most of the kids even on WoW follow the ToS anyway :S |
| 07:56.16 | Amarande | Night: aside from the likely extreme OPness of caster classes? I'm not sure what the real issue would be |
| 07:56.24 | Adys | [09:53:26] <Amarande> IANAL, but according to the books I've read about law |
| 07:56.29 | Adys | see this is where the fail smells bad |
| 07:56.39 | Amarande | well, I guess there's the way balefire works |
| 07:57.02 | Amarande | it would be somewhat difficult to code balefire efficiently -and- avoid significant risk of constant server crashes when it's used due to NULL pointer dereferences |
| 07:57.22 | Thunder_Child | Amarande, the number of possible weaves are factorialy infinite |
| 07:57.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: the world simply is not built to handle the hero-centric neccessity of mmos |
| 07:58.00 | NightHawkTheSane | well |
| 07:58.07 | NightHawkTheSane | assuming you care, at all, about the "lore" |
| 07:58.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, if you're just looking for set pieces backgrounds, names, and mechanics, sure it'd be fine. |
| 07:58.25 | Amarande | basically, to make balefire work properly, you need to store not only every object that currently exists, but also every object that has ever existed |
| 07:58.49 | NightHawkTheSane | (and yes, balefire would have to be -not allowed-, but it's hardly worth harping on) |
| 07:58.50 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, not that current time frame but i think the universe could handle it |
| 07:58.53 | Amarande | also you need to log every action that has ever been performed on every object that has ever existed |
| 07:59.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: I'd be really skeptical. |
| 07:59.32 | Thunder_Child | also, balefire would work in small doses due to the small about of time reversal |
| 07:59.44 | Amarande | Thunder: you'd still need to store a lot more data |
| 07:59.45 | bleeter | straw poll: who'd going to try out SW:TOR? |
| 07:59.46 | NightHawkTheSane | wow works because the mmo moves beyond existing canon |
| 07:59.47 | Amarande | to avoid fail like: |
| 07:59.57 | Amarande | mob/player A kills mob/player B |
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| 08:00.08 | NightHawkTheSane | the problem is, there is no moving "beyond" the canon of wot. |
| 08:00.08 | Amarande | well, mob, since players are always stored |
| 08:00.12 | Amarande | but let's say player A kills mob B |
| 08:00.20 | Amarande | you want to remove mob B from the world data, right? |
| 08:00.28 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, also wc3/2/1 was set up for heros |
| 08:00.33 | Amarande | then player C balefires player A, you walk the data to the pointer to mob B and try to revive it |
| 08:00.40 | Amarande | mob B's object entry doesn't exist |
| 08:00.46 | Amarande | dereference NULL pointer |
| 08:00.48 | Amarande | server crash |
| 08:00.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: well, not on the scale of wow, but yeah. |
| 08:01.01 | ZorbaTHut | oh come on, that wouldn't be a server crash unless the coders were absolute idiots :P |
| 08:01.03 | Adys | Amarande: you're ridiculous |
| 08:01.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: old news |
| 08:01.19 | ZorbaTHut | hey I went to a website lately but I mistyped the URL |
| 08:01.29 | Adys | I know, I'm just trying to translate ZorbaTHut's messages |
| 08:01.31 | ZorbaTHut | there wasn't a file there and my program dereferenced a null pointer and THE ENTIRE SERVER CRASHED |
| 08:01.50 | ZorbaTHut | seriously, dude :) |
| 08:01.56 | bleeter | no one's gunna try SW:TOR? interesting... |
| 08:01.59 | Thunder_Child | was anyone hurt in the crash ZorbaTHut? |
| 08:02.01 | Amarande | I may try SW:TOR |
| 08:02.06 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, i didnt like the games |
| 08:02.07 | Amarande | it's probably going to be the last great MMO for a while, anyway :) |
| 08:02.08 | Adys | the ENTIRE INTERNET |
| 08:02.13 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, fifteen megabytes were injured in the calamity |
| 08:02.16 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Adys |
| 08:02.16 | purl | does a little 'renice 20 -u Adys' |
| 08:02.20 | Amarande | simply due to the lack of viable worlds remaining to create one in at this time |
| 08:02.22 | Adys | Shit |
| 08:02.50 | Amarande | like I indicated before, I'm pretty certain that a MMO, in order to succeed in this day and age, needs to be based on an existing well-known property |
| 08:02.55 | Adys | Amarande: there's something of a job called being a "developer" where you have to "resolve problems" |
| 08:03.07 | Amarande | otherwise you get ... well, tabula rasa comes to mind |
| 08:03.14 | Adys | and shit like "OH WAIT WHERE'S THE DATA GONE" is usually resolved easily |
| 08:03.17 | bleeter | Adys: I thought a developer was to create new problems for Q&A to conveniently ignore? :P |
| 08:03.17 | Amarande | that one's going out of business soon, right? |
| 08:03.28 | bleeter | *the job of a developer... |
| 08:03.29 | Adys | february iirc |
| 08:03.34 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I disagree |
| 08:03.43 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, Eve Online. ATITD. |
| 08:03.51 | Thunder_Child | Amarande, what about Eve online? |
| 08:03.56 | Thunder_Child | damit ZorbaTHut |
| 08:03.56 | ZorbaTHut | the problem is that a lot of developers are looking at WoW and saying "oh hey! that's easy! we can do that! :D" |
| 08:03.58 | Amarande | when did Eve come out? |
| 08:04.02 | ZorbaTHut | and then finding out the hard way that, oh shit, it's *not* easy |
| 08:04.03 | Adys | bleeter: Q&A whined and the enterprised nerfed developers. World of Casualopers. |
| 08:04.18 | Thunder_Child | 2003 Amarande |
| 08:04.25 | Amarande | Thunder: that was before WoW |
| 08:04.33 | Thunder_Child | so, it's still going |
| 08:04.41 | Adys | also eve is a rip off eoc |
| 08:04.47 | Amarande | the extreme market pressure of WoW probably makes things like that extremely unlikely to start up and succeed anymore |
| 08:04.50 | Adys | i think i said that |
| 08:05.14 | Amarande | and I've heard Eve isn't really doing all that well anymore anyway |
| 08:05.21 | Adys | bs, and bs |
| 08:05.21 | Thunder_Child | there are many well estableshed things coming out anyway |
| 08:05.27 | ZorbaTHut | it's pretty clear that a good franchise isn't *sufficient*, but I do not believe that one is *necessary* - it's just that, once you've spent all the money on making a good MMORPG, you may as well buy a good franchise to attach to it |
| 08:05.32 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, City of Heroes, btw |
| 08:05.40 | Amarande | anyway, from what I gather about world design |
| 08:05.44 | Amarande | it's easy enough to design an MMO |
| 08:05.46 | Thunder_Child | is based of off a franchise ZorbaTHut |
| 08:05.58 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, yeah, the franchise is the one they invented for City of Heroes |
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| 08:06.04 | Amarande | you create a new world, you populate it with quests, most of which in almost every MMO are very simplistic in design, kill this, kill that, find this item, bring this item to someone |
| 08:06.05 | Adys | the problem wow is causing to other mmos is, they're putting the pressure on and editors tend to fall in the trap and rushing their mmo once they announced it |
| 08:06.15 | Adys | so it comes out "before expansion x" or "before patch y" |
| 08:06.15 | Thunder_Child | no, the franchise is every superhero mag |
| 08:06.22 | Amarande | it's probably pretty easy to create a world that's fun to play in |
| 08:06.24 | ZorbaTHut | I wouldn't call that a franchise |
| 08:06.26 | Amarande | getting the customer base is the hard part |
| 08:06.34 | Amarande | look at say the Neverwinter Nights games |
| 08:06.34 | Adys | which eventually ends up in releasing a broken, incomplete mmo |
| 08:06.41 | Amarande | people created all kinds of worlds for those that are fun to play in |
| 08:06.42 | Adys | see vanguard, warhammer online, aoc |
| 08:06.43 | ZorbaTHut | otherwise you could point to lots of MMORPGs and say "the franchise is every fantasy book" |
| 08:06.46 | Amarande | but do they attract more than a few score players? not really |
| 08:06.48 | Thunder_Child | i would, it takes something from every successful super hero |
| 08:06.56 | ZorbaTHut | "the franchise is every scifi book" |
| 08:07.17 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, once you've done that, you've destroyed the conversation because every MMORPG out there has a successful franchise and we no longer have anything to discuss, except how franchises don't seem to help much. |
| 08:07.27 | Amarande | it's basically the problem of the gaming industry in general |
| 08:07.43 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: isn't that called "winning the conversation"? |
| 08:07.49 | Adys | and you can go out with +10 Epeen |
| 08:07.50 | Amarande | creating something and being able to show it to a non-trivial number of people and have them say 'cool, I like this, this is fun' = pretty easy, really |
| 08:07.51 | bleeter | I agree what you're saying about franchises and stuff, that's why if I were on Blizz's board I'd be real concerned about SW:TOR maybe next year, 'small number' of content patches for Wrath, your own new MMO in the pipeline with SC2 and D3... |
| 08:08.09 | ZorbaTHut | adys, not really. it's called "Redefining the conversation such that there is no longer any possible conversation to have" |
| 08:08.15 | bleeter | SW's about the only mass market franchise brand I can think of that'd have a chance of grabbing a few million customers on release day |
| 08:08.24 | Amarande | creating something that enough people will buy that you actually can feed your workers = not easy |
| 08:08.27 | Thunder_Child | maybe SGC |
| 08:08.31 | Thunder_Child | SGW* |
| 08:08.41 | bleeter | and they don't have a bunch of legacy crud to deal with in their design and operations |
| 08:08.49 | Amarande | and oftentimes, what people will buy is oddly enough not what's fun |
| 08:08.52 | Amarande | that, I never have quite understood |
| 08:09.02 | bleeter | so yeah, I'd be real worried about Bioware/SW |
| 08:09.22 | bleeter | and if I were a shareholder, I'd be deamnding the CEO's head if he weren't worried |
| 08:09.35 | Amarande | bleeter: yeah, there's really only one potential mitigating circumstance for Bioware's customer threat |
| 08:09.45 | bleeter | wel,, maybe not worried... an ear to concern is prolly more accurate |
| 08:10.00 | Amarande | bleeter: this being the fact that Bioware was recently purchased by EA |
| 08:10.06 | Adys | blizzard has no reason to be worried of sw |
| 08:10.14 | Amarande | and the fact that a lot of gamers are skittish now about buying EA products after the fiascos that were Spore and RA3 |
| 08:10.15 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, I think he should have been equally worried about AoC and WAR, and, well, we see where those have gone |
| 08:10.42 | Adys | problem is |
| 08:10.50 | bleeter | as I see it, SW is substantially different to AoC/WAR |
| 08:11.06 | Amarande | whatever happened to WAR, anyway? |
| 08:11.08 | bleeter | SW is a well known franchise brand outside of the gaming community, folks who don't play games will prolly want to check it out |
| 08:11.13 | Amarande | I remember everyone being gung ho when it was new |
| 08:11.29 | Amarande | well, except for me |
| 08:11.29 | Adys | if you want to take over wow you need to be a well known editor, able to do massive amount of advertising, who is smart enough NOT to announce its mmo until a good 5 year of development, and pulling a release within 6 months of the announcement |
| 08:11.37 | Amarande | but that's because I was thinking about the fact that WAR is highly PvP oriented |
| 08:11.46 | Adys | and if you're smart enough to pull that shit off, you're smart enough not to try it anyway |
| 08:12.00 | Amarande | and I'm not very easily sold on a PvP oriented game that requires a monthly fee when I have all the episodes of Guild Wars, which has no fee |
| 08:12.43 | Adys | also *right now* is the worst time to start developing a 4-5 year dev mmo |
| 08:12.48 | Amarande | Adys: don't forget you also need to be able to afford 5 years of development without having to release the product prematurely because you end up needing money |
| 08:13.01 | Amarande | which I suspect may be a factor in a large number of failMMOs |
| 08:13.13 | Adys | a well known editor able to pull massive advertising doesnt have that kind of concern |
| 08:13.50 | Adys | i think blizzard announced wow ... 1 year early |
| 08:14.01 | Adys | hold on |
| 08:14.05 | linear` | well the release was the beta |
| 08:14.15 | linear` | like every release though |
| 08:14.17 | Amarande | yeah, in today's economy, a lot of people would consider getting married less of a commitment than accruing more monthly bills |
| 08:14.22 | Amarande | ok, maybe I'm exaggerating a bit there |
| 08:14.27 | Amarande | but people are really quite tight fisted these days |
| 08:14.44 | Adys | development announcement was september 2001 |
| 08:15.22 | bleeter | and iirc it's been claimed they'd been tooling since Warcraft 3 |
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| 08:15.35 | Amarande | remember, this is the holiday season where people were willing to trample a worker to death for a shot at a sale |
| 08:15.39 | bleeter | *since during Warcraft 3's development phase |
| 08:15.55 | Amarande | soo ... trying to sell new stuff is indeed gonna be hard |
| 08:16.34 | bleeter | dunnoa bout that |
| 08:16.37 | Adys | thing is |
| 08:16.43 | bleeter | the 'golden age' of hollywood was during the great depression |
| 08:16.48 | Adys | they didnt "advertise" wow until the end of 2003 |
| 08:16.54 | Adys | and the release was barely a year after that |
| 08:16.56 | bleeter | people will wanna be entertained to have their minds kept off the day to day misery |
| 08:17.06 | Amarande | bleeter: movies were also much more reasonably priced then though |
| 08:17.30 | Adys | cookie to the one who figures out where this is from |
| 08:17.31 | Adys | http://worldofwarcraft.judgehype.com/screenshots/presentation/voyage-brann/jour10-selune-spring/03.jpg |
| 08:17.34 | Amarande | here we are today, in a distinct economic doldrum, but today's movie tickets are ridiculous |
| 08:17.41 | Amarande | ten dollars for a goddamn matinee |
| 08:17.55 | bleeter | Amarande: MMOs, and RPGs in general, are the new movies |
| 08:17.57 | Amarande | plus usually at least another ten dollars in refreshments once you get there |
| 08:18.33 | bleeter | lemme go find the quote I read about it |
| 08:18.48 | Amarande | btw, speaking of RPGs |
| 08:18.56 | Amarande | anyone know how well the witcher toolset compares to NWN2's? |
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| 08:21.02 | Amarande | also, am I probably right or wrong in suspecting that NWN2 will be the last great RPG to allow that level of user modification, and that that sort of thing will probably be relegated in the future to FPS? |
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| 08:21.47 | ReAn | how many levels can the blizz interface options tree have? |
| 08:22.07 | ReAn | just the one right? |
| 08:22.55 | Adys | category => item |
| 08:22.56 | Adys | afaik |
| 08:23.00 | Adys | brb |
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| 08:25.48 | bleeter | damnit, if only I could remember the book's title |
| 08:25.57 | Amarande | bleeter: which book? |
| 08:26.35 | Thunder_Child | he cant remember.... |
| 08:26.36 | bleeter | Amarande: if I knew that I'd have remembered it's title! DOH! |
| 08:26.42 | Amarande | well, what's the book about? |
| 08:26.54 | Thunder_Child | it has words in it, and a cover |
| 08:27.20 | Thunder_Child | the leter 'a' is in there....does that help? |
| 08:29.18 | Adys | Thunder_Child: I think i know. is the letter 'e' in it too? |
| 08:29.35 | Thunder_Child | yes Adys, but not as much as the letter 'a' |
| 08:30.02 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=book+with+a+and+e+in+the+title+but+the+e+not+as+much+as+the+letter+a&btnG=Search |
| 08:30.11 | Adys | It seems to be http://stevenpoole.net/blog/e-book-the-letter/ |
| 08:30.35 | Thunder_Child | def not gadsby |
| 08:30.45 | Thunder_Child | "As the vowel E is used more than five times oftener than any other letter..." |
| 08:30.57 | Thunder_Child | oftener? |
| 08:31.02 | Thunder_Child | thats fail |
| 08:31.20 | Adys | 8 It will be physically handsome, not drop-dead fugly. (Note to Amazon: for pityâs sake, next time, head-hunt people from Sony or Apple.) |
| 08:32.13 | Adys | it looks like blogging gets you reader if you tell readers what they already knew |
| 08:32.13 | Adys | hm |
| 08:32.27 | Adys | i shall write that down for my future money making methods |
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| 08:40.30 | bleeter | ah, found it.. now to locate the para with the quote |
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| 08:40.59 | mikma | Rune Strike was intended to be a reactive tanking tool, not a rogue killer. We will probably chill its weapon damage and increase its threat. |
| 08:41.03 | mikma | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.... |
| 08:41.19 | WobWork | wtf? |
| 08:41.29 | WobWork | Is PVP going to fuck around with our PVE AGAIN? |
| 08:41.35 | mikma | apparently |
| 08:41.43 | WobWork | fuckers |
| 08:42.23 | mikma | We don.t like the behavior where DKs feel like they are supposed to drop Death and Decay to generate runic power before a pull. It just looks goofy. We will probably lower the runic power costs of Unholy Blight and Horn of Winter, which seem to be the primary reasons to generate RP. |
| 08:42.32 | mikma | Horn of Winter will probably be something like no cost, 30 sec cooldown, generates 10 rp. |
| 08:42.34 | WobWork | ... |
| 08:42.38 | WobWork | I use it for aggro myself =P |
| 08:42.43 | Adys | "<ability> was intended to do <this>, but instead currently does <that>. We will probably change it <like that> to make it act like originally planned." |
| 08:42.49 | Adys | I don't see PvE or PvP in the sentence |
| 08:42.51 | WobWork | I'm hardly ever for a loss for initial RP |
| 08:42.52 | mikma | There are some odd situations caused by Shadow of Death that we would like to fix. The talent isn.t designed to let you escape durability damage or rez by zoning into an instance. |
| 08:42.57 | mikma | lolzies |
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| 08:43.05 | WobWork | Adys: er. "Rogue Killer" |
| 08:43.12 | Adys | soooo |
| 08:43.13 | WobWork | implies that "Rogues" may have complained |
| 08:43.19 | mikma | WOOOOOOOO also! |
| 08:43.23 | WobWork | since they didn't say "Rogue Lover" |
| 08:43.24 | mikma | There are some annoying parts of the non-pet ghoul. We want to lower the aggro range (for less accidental pulls) and spawn the ghoul in quicker when dismounting. The ghoul, at least Unholy.s version, could also use some AE avoidance like other pets. |
| 08:43.38 | Adys | it implies that the spell doesn't do what was originally intended |
| 08:43.43 | Adys | nothing else |
| 08:43.55 | WobWork | er no |
| 08:43.57 | mikma | We are probably going to add a new spell to let you raise fallen allies so that you don't have to make the decision between bringing back another player (which was just supposed to be a fun bonus) and bringing back your ghoul, which can be pretty crticial for some specs. |
| 08:44.00 | Adys | yes |
| 08:44.02 | WobWork | it does precisely what it does =P |
| 08:44.06 | WobWork | It's a reactive tanking skill |
| 08:44.10 | WobWork | and we use it as such |
| 08:44.20 | mikma | "This isn't everything we're talking about of course, just a little preview. " |
| 08:44.33 | Adys | and you'll use it just as much and in the same situations in its fixed version then |
| 08:44.45 | WobWork | and it was fine, lrn2play =P |
| 08:44.48 | Adys | but you wont use it as what it's not intended to do after that |
| 08:44.59 | WobWork | Isn't that how they all end? |
| 08:45.10 | WobWork | Like.. in pvp |
| 08:45.16 | WobWork | in which the pvp rogues complained |
| 08:45.18 | WobWork | and .. thus |
| 08:45.28 | WobWork | pvp affecting a skill which normally would have been fine |
| 08:45.40 | WobWork | and my previous statement holds true. |
| 08:46.01 | mikma | wobwork: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/13129109706-tool-tip-4-rune-strike-fixed-in-future-builds.html |
| 08:46.07 | mikma | Rune Strike tooltip gets fixed1 |
| 08:46.08 | mikma | 1=! |
| 08:46.55 | WobWork | thank god =P |
| 08:46.56 | Adys | pvp does not affect pve |
| 08:47.03 | Adys | like something distinct affects something distinct |
| 08:47.03 | WobWork | I do admit, it's terribly worded initially |
| 08:47.25 | WobWork | uhuh |
| 08:47.29 | WobWork | pvp does not affect pve |
| 08:47.30 | WobWork | at all |
| 08:47.31 | WobWork | right |
| 08:47.33 | WobWork | okay |
| 08:47.39 | Adys | pvp and pve are part of the same game and use 90% of the same mechanics |
| 08:47.58 | Bibi` | [09:46:43] <WobWork> thank god =P |
| 08:48.01 | Bibi` | Ghostcrawler helped. |
| 08:48.04 | Bibi` | but you're welcome |
| 08:48.14 | Adys | retourne te coucher toi |
| 08:48.18 | Amarande | pvp does not affect pve ... |
| 08:48.23 | Amarande | well, actually |
| 08:48.28 | Adys | AMARANDE YOU DONT HAVE YOUR SAY IN THIS. |
| 08:48.34 | Amarande | did ret turn out to be as bad at 80 as people claimed it would be? |
| 08:48.36 | Adys | (sorry, gotta get it out of the system) |
| 08:49.20 | bleeter | WobWork: you seen/read/heard He Died With A Falafel In His Hand? |
| 08:49.25 | Amarande | since what I was going to say only applies if ret pallies actually still HAVE severe mana problems at 80 versus other melee DPS classes going through normal rotations over the course of a raid boss |
| 08:49.43 | Amarande | however, the nerf to ret pallies -was, indeed- prompted by PvP |
| 08:49.59 | Amarande | -and did- have an effect on PvE at the time at least |
| 08:50.11 | Adys | "guys prot warriors got nerfed in pvp all that because of those pve noobs" |
| 08:50.17 | Adys | tough luck |
| 08:50.18 | Adys | gee |
| 08:50.19 | WobWork | See, I'm happy that the damage it's causing is not changed |
| 08:50.25 | Amarande | Adys: people run prot warriors in pvp? :| |
| 08:50.34 | WobWork | -that- was my main concern |
| 08:50.36 | Adys | you need to buy a fucking book on humor Amarande |
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| 08:51.18 | Adys | Amarande: try to find something like Sarcasm for Dummies |
| 08:51.23 | mikma | haha |
| 08:51.23 | WobWork | cause saying: "Well this skill does a certain amount of damage each time the DK dodges/parries on next strike. However, we'll lower the damage output so it doesn't oneshot rogues." |
| 08:51.29 | WobWork | would be stupid =P |
| 08:51.36 | WobWork | and pvp affecting the game |
| 08:51.45 | mikma | imho it's GOOD that they actually CAN be killed like normal players |
| 08:52.02 | WobWork | PS mikma: 28% parry is sick =) |
| 08:52.09 | mikma | wobwork: meh! let's see... |
| 08:52.21 | mikma | ARGH! |
| 08:52.28 | mikma | maintenance keeping armory down :I |
| 08:52.52 | Amarande | mikma: who's not normal players? rogues? :) |
| 08:52.55 | mikma | wobwork: dinged 76 yesterday and got like 40% level also! |
| 08:53.06 | mikma | amarande: ya, they just don't die like rest of the players |
| 08:53.30 | Amarande | I'm not sure what right rogues have to QQ |
| 08:53.44 | Amarande | given that obviously, with the need to make Death Knights happy, WotLK is going to be much more melee DPS friendly than BC was |
| 08:54.13 | Amarande | In BC, I could have understood rogues being grumbly if they were weakened in PvP |
| 08:54.21 | Amarande | simply because melee DPS wasn't such a great idea in so many fights in BC |
| 08:54.32 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 08:54.38 | NightHawkTheSane | melee dps did fine in BC. |
| 08:54.44 | NightHawkTheSane | you're talking out your ass again |
| 08:54.52 | Amarande | or maybe I just ran slabs a lot in particular |
| 08:54.55 | Amarande | heh |
| 08:55.08 | Amarande | since melee dps actually does suck on murmur |
| 08:55.14 | NightHawkTheSane | slabs, or any sub-raid instance is not a crucible by which you should judge the performance of ANYONE |
| 08:55.27 | NightHawkTheSane | and, gah, THERES NO S IN LABYRINTH. |
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| 08:56.05 | Amarande | Night: not to mention it wasn't really a labyrinth either :) |
| 08:56.12 | NightHawkTheSane | not the point |
| 08:56.13 | Amarande | you want labyrinths, you go back to old world and run fun things like WC, or Mara |
| 08:56.28 | Amarande | *shudders* Mara |
| 08:56.31 | NightHawkTheSane | the instance is called 'Shadow Labyrinth' there's no way to get slabs out of that unless you're functionally retarded |
| 08:56.32 | zenzio | even BRD was confusing to a lot of people |
| 08:56.40 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: lol |
| 08:56.42 | mikma | slabs! |
| 08:56.48 | mikma | lfg slabs |
| 08:56.58 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: you being retarded is not news. ;) |
| 08:56.59 | mikma | "there's no S in Shadow Labyrinth" |
| 08:57.06 | Amarande | meh, at least slabs wasn't as bad as the folks who simply asked for groups for SH |
| 08:57.12 | Amarande | without specifying whether they wanted sethekk or shattered |
| 08:57.28 | Amarande | more than a few times I joined such a group expecting it was shattered halls and I might have a chance at my oblivion gloves only to find it was actually for sethekk :| |
| 08:57.49 | Amarande | there was also some confusion when 2.4 came out and people were still calling MgT "MT" |
| 08:57.54 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: i was not trying to be one, i just had a laugh for the stupid people using "slabs" |
| 08:58.16 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: yeah, i know, but any opportunity to insult someone is not to be wasted. ;) |
| 08:59.12 | WobWork | I called it MrT |
| 09:00.06 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: you are an ass |
| 09:00.10 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: did i do good? |
| 09:00.23 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: needs work, but you're getting there. :D |
| 09:00.28 | mikma | woooo! |
| 09:00.33 | NightHawkTheSane | in any case, i'm off to sleep. ciao. |
| 09:00.33 | mikma | industrial: train me! |
| 09:00.37 | ReAn | does oUF have a project page somewhere? |
| 09:00.54 | mikma | rean: the project page we use is the following line |
| 09:00.55 | mikma | haste: ping |
| 09:00.57 | mikma | see? |
| 09:01.01 | mikma | it's quite easy :D |
| 09:01.29 | mikma | rean: http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=137 |
| 09:01.41 | Amarande | SH was the worst one though |
| 09:01.44 | Amarande | especially if they asked for heroic |
| 09:01.56 | Amarande | heroic Shattered Halls was actually fun as long as you had a good enough tank and healer |
| 09:02.00 | Amarande | heroic Sethekk, on the other hand, was not |
| 09:02.02 | WobWork | and aoe |
| 09:02.38 | Amarande | heroic Sethekk seemed like it would only be fun as a masochist |
| 09:02.48 | Amarande | and if I was going to be a masochist, I would be tanking, not playing a warlock :p |
| 09:03.31 | LiraNuna_ | anyone knows an addon like shield monitor but for water elemental? |
| 09:04.13 | mikma | duration? |
| 09:04.44 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5501-ElementalFlux.html |
| 09:04.59 | Amarande | you know what's odd ... when I first did Shadow Lab and Shattered Halls |
| 09:05.08 | Amarande | after each run I was like 'I never want to see this instance again' |
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| 09:05.17 | Amarande | in the end, they ended up being my favorite instances to go to in BC |
| 09:05.26 | LiraNuna_ | this one's lame |
| 09:05.36 | LiraNuna_ | I need a visual filled line |
| 09:05.41 | mikma | get whats available or gtfo |
| 09:05.55 | LiraNuna_ | heh |
| 09:05.56 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6704-Frosty-MageWaterElementalAddon.html |
| 09:05.58 | LiraNuna_ | I'll code one then |
| 09:06.02 | Industrial | mikma: fuck you! im not traingin you cause im an ass. |
| 09:06.06 | Industrial | learn from that. |
| 09:06.10 | Industrial | typos included. |
| 09:06.11 | mikma | industrial: ooh, hot. |
| 09:06.14 | LiraNuna_ | no workie with latest |
| 09:06.37 | mikma | then go code go go |
| 09:06.45 | Industrial | im at work |
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| 09:14.07 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11808-DKSounds.html |
| 09:14.09 | mikma | EWWWWWWWWWWWWW |
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| 09:23.17 | WobWork | mthat would get terribly spammy |
| 09:28.31 | mikma | and, annoying. |
| 09:29.42 | Amarande | Night folks :) |
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| 09:43.30 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a scheduled . maintenance. Please note that all European realms . will be offline from 03:00 until 11:00, Paris . time (CET).. In addition the European website and forums will |
| 09:43.30 | Shiibot | not be available during this time.. . Thank you for your patience and understanding.. . . 26/11 FREE MIGRATION. The following free migration is scheduled to last . until Tuesday, December 2nd. . |
| 09:43.30 | Shiibot | To the NEW realm named Chamber of Aspects: Aerie . Peak, Alonsus, Arathor, Azjol-Nerub, Bloodhoof, . Draenor, Dragonblight, Emerald Dream, Eonar, . Lightbringer, Shadowsong, Stormrage, Thunderhorn, . Turalyon, Quel'thalas. |
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| 10:11.02 | mikma | booo, 1,5h :( |
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| 10:16.31 | Elkano | yeah :( |
| 10:16.43 | Elkano | 1.5h of possible realm start... :/ |
| 10:18.16 | ReAn | Elkano! \o/ |
| 10:19.58 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 10:20.49 | ReAn | fuck im tired |
| 10:22.36 | Hjalte | Maybe they're trying to fix the lag! |
| 10:23.04 | Elkano | ok, auth is up an running, but no realms |
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| 10:48.28 | bleeter | heh, that quote/article I was thinking of was originally something the author wrote for rolling stone. he's gunna try and dig up the source. |
| 10:49.11 | clad|sleep | yay! Runewatch was updated! |
| 10:50.52 | bleeter | omg clad's talking in his sleep.. again |
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| 10:55.09 | cladhaire | So |
| 10:55.19 | cladhaire | I think I want to write an absurdly stripped down TitanPanel |
| 10:55.34 | mikma | PerfectPanel |
| 10:55.38 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 10:55.40 | bleeter | I think you're mad |
| 10:55.43 | bleeter | oh wait |
| 10:55.45 | bleeter | that's me |
| 10:55.55 | cladhaire | because I don't like the way Fortress works and looks |
| 10:55.58 | cladhaire | and they're both a bit too general for me |
| 10:56.12 | cladhaire | I don't need to be able to drag to move shit around.. just having a "move to the left" and "move to the right" works for me. |
| 10:56.25 | mikma | cladhaire: but there's several other broker-displayers? |
| 10:56.30 | cladhaire | hell, I should continue with my "configuration" being Lua code |
| 10:56.32 | cladhaire | mikma: such as? |
| 10:56.36 | mikma | wait, let's see. |
| 10:56.41 | cladhaire | mikma: I want one that looks/works like Titan |
| 10:56.52 | cladhaire | but is very minimal :P |
| 10:57.22 | cladhaire | orly? |
| 10:57.37 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 10:57.49 | mikma | i found... atleast 3 different displayers |
| 10:58.09 | mikma | ButtonBin, StatBlockCore and well, Carousel |
| 10:58.18 | mikma | but Carousel is one display that has arrows :P |
| 10:58.53 | cladhaire | I don't want arrows |
| 10:58.59 | cladhaire | StatBlock same issue as Fortress |
| 10:59.12 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10474-ButtonBin.html ? |
| 10:59.40 | cladhaire | possibly ButtonBin |
| 10:59.45 | cladhaire | but I want it to look like Titan |
| 10:59.45 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9771-MakeRocketGoNow.html |
| 10:59.56 | cladhaire | and it probably allows me to drag shit around, which I don't need :P |
| 11:00.06 | Hjalte | cladhaire: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10484-cargoShipDisplay.html is another display, but it only has lua-options. You should probably try out Buttonbin first. |
| 11:00.30 | cladhaire | well ButtonBin looks great |
| 11:00.43 | mikma | cladhaire: MakeRocketGoNow, tek's creation. |
| 11:00.47 | cladhaire | but I don't need or want the whole ace stack ;-) |
| 11:00.55 | cladhaire | and doesn't look like Titan |
| 11:01.20 | cladhaire | isn't MRGN just for launchers? |
| 11:01.29 | mikma | i have absolutely no idea |
| 11:02.02 | mikma | MakeRocketGoNow is a 'quicklaunch' plugin based on LibDataBroker-1.1 MRGN will take all your LDB launchers and create a LDB plugin to display them in. |
| 11:02.15 | cladhaire | yeah launchers |
| 11:03.47 | cladhaire | I may just write it in the next spare moment I have if I can do it would getting too complicated |
| 11:03.55 | cladhaire | seems that displaying LDB plugins must not be terribly difficult, however. |
| 11:05.02 | WobWork | oh man |
| 11:05.05 | WobWork | I'm still shaking =P |
| 11:05.29 | mikma | wobwork: what happened? |
| 11:05.31 | WobWork | I ended up two manning Ingvar =P |
| 11:06.20 | WobWork | thank god for good healing =P |
| 11:06.20 | cladhaire | Hrm, when Ampere is the only addon I have loaded.. it's options panel is never created |
| 11:06.31 | WobWork | all I had to worry about was ridiculous latency |
| 11:06.56 | WobWork | although, it's much easier to deal with Ingvar when you don't have to worry about the other melee =P |
| 11:07.05 | mikma | wobwork: and the latency is normal in oceanic servers? |
| 11:07.14 | mikma | err, -servers, or whatever |
| 11:08.02 | WobWork | nah, I'm on a US one |
| 11:08.11 | WobWork | last time I tried tanking ingvar, it got to 4k |
| 11:08.29 | WobWork | naturally, it didn't quite work =P |
| 11:10.18 | bleeter | so the new uTorrent's gunna screw everyone mwhwhahahahaha |
| 11:11.18 | mikma | bleeter: what? |
| 11:12.13 | bleeter | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/01/richard_bennett_utorrent_udp/ |
| 11:12.37 | bleeter | mikma: they're moving to UDP transmission, which'll evade ISP throttling techniques |
| 11:13.06 | mikma | so did "everyone" mean ISP |
| 11:13.54 | bleeter | as long as you don't mind deep-packet-instpection of your VoIP calls and the like, sure |
| 11:14.24 | mikma | my gtalk voip lags already no matter is utorrent on or not lol ;) |
| 11:18.46 | bleeter | well how about deep packet inspection of any UDP requiring online games you play? here's to hoping they're not realtime games! :P |
| 11:20.25 | Industrial | bleeter: wasnt the actual data still going over tcp, and only the communication over udp? |
| 11:23.45 | bleeter | Industrial: nah, the new alpha defaults to udp |
| 11:24.18 | bleeter | Industrial: they used to do the tracker over udp and transfer on tcp, the alpha's got transfers on udp too |
| 11:26.33 | Industrial | hm k |
| 11:26.57 | mikma | wobwork: 24.11% parry with blood runes on cd |
| 11:27.50 | Industrial | bleeter: wonder how that Vuze's p4p pluggin si going to go |
| 11:33.20 | WobWork | mikma: the way to fix that? Rune of Swordshattering =P |
| 11:33.54 | WobWork | as cool as fallen crusader is, it never procs enough for me |
| 11:34.05 | WobWork | and if I'm tanking, cinderglacier isn't all that useful |
| 11:34.13 | WobWork | or at least not -as- useful as swordshattering |
| 11:35.17 | Maldivia | bleeter: well, p2p traffic is better suited for udp to be frank |
| 11:38.58 | bleeter | Maldivia: true, was designed for non-complete circuit stuff like VoIP and DNS and so forth, but if 5% of users start taking 75% of available bandwidth on a line it's asking for trouble ;) |
| 11:39.15 | bleeter | on tcp it's easier to control, udp.. eep |
| 11:39.42 | mikma | wobwork: already have it |
| 11:40.44 | WobWork | hm, you need more defense =) |
| 11:41.01 | mikma | apparently :) |
| 11:41.49 | Maldivia | bleeter: udp can be just as easily controlled as tcp |
| 11:43.56 | bleeter | Maldivia: apart from the two methods outlined by Bennett, how else? |
| 11:44.05 | bleeter | Maldivia: and which of the two would you prefer? |
| 11:44.28 | bleeter | . |
| 11:44.31 | bleeter | oops |
| 11:50.34 | Maldivia | random packet dropping is not a good idea, and as for the deep packet inspection, well that's already happening today |
| 11:56.04 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following free migration is scheduled to last . until Tuesday, December 2nd. . . To the NEW realm named Chamber of Aspects: Aerie . Peak, Alonsus, Arathor, Azjol-Nerub, Bloodhoof, . Draenor, Dragonblight, Emerald Dream, Eonar, |
| 11:56.04 | Shiibot | Lightbringer, Shadowsong, Stormrage, Thunderhorn, . Turalyon, Quel'thalas. . Al'Akir --> Dentarg, Xavius. Argent Dawn --> Darkmoon Faire, Steamwheedle . Cartel, The Sha'tar. Burning Legion --> Ahn'Qiraj, Daggerspine |
| 11:56.04 | Shiibot | Crushridge --> Bladefist, Karazhan. Drak'thul --> Burning Blade, Deathwing. Grim Batol --> Dentarg, Xavius. Magtheridon --> Zenedar, Haomarush (Horde only). Neptulon --> Ahn'Qiraj, Daggerspine. Outland --> Bladefist, Karazhan |
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| 11:57.07 | bleeter | Maldivia: as bennet points out, dpi is potentially illegal in some jurisdictions... |
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| 11:57.44 | bleeter | .. it's a complete rats nest of bollocks is all I'm suggesting ;) |
| 11:57.59 | Maldivia | bleeter: might be, but that doesn't mean a lot of ISPs are using it (and I mean a LOT) |
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| 11:59.35 | bleeter | doens't mean a lot aren't? (despite what you may have been taught, double negatives are fine in English... I always get a kick when I get to use them and mention they're OK ;) |
| 12:00.00 | Maldivia | yeah aren't :9 |
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| 12:00.03 | Maldivia | typo |
| 12:00.59 | Kalroth | bleeter: I do not not agree with you. |
| 12:01.17 | bleeter | Kalroth: which bit? :P |
| 12:01.41 | bleeter | Kalroth: and it's 'I can't say I don't agree with you' :P |
| 12:01.41 | Maldivia | the 4 of them that make a nibble |
| 12:01.43 | Mikk | Double negatives are fine. When you actually meant to not be negative at all. |
| 12:01.46 | Kalroth | bleeter: not the part with non-positives in english! |
| 12:02.12 | mikma | where are all the lvl80 pvp items? |
| 12:02.20 | Mikk | on the arena vendors |
| 12:02.23 | Mikk | gl hf enjoy |
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| 12:02.33 | Kalroth | mikma: they're on the emblem/shard vendors |
| 12:02.44 | Maldivia | mikma: on the wintergraps raids bosses |
| 12:02.53 | mikma | lol? |
| 12:03.03 | bleeter | on tigole's epeen |
| 12:03.16 | Maldivia | on the vendors when next season starts in 3.x.x |
| 12:03.28 | mikma | you can't get pvp-gear anymore other than killing wintergrasp raidboss, doing arena... ? |
| 12:03.59 | Maldivia | crafting |
| 12:04.22 | bleeter | i've got a great idea for evening out the whole pve<>pvp gear issue |
| 12:04.25 | bleeter | everyone go nude |
| 12:04.37 | mikma | crafting? |
| 12:04.39 | Kalroth | http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=minrl=80;cr=79:118;crs=1:40752;crv=0:0#0-2+1 |
| 12:04.45 | bleeter | nude crafting, yes |
| 12:04.52 | Kalroth | http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=minrl=80;cr=79:118;crs=1:40753;crv=0:0#0-2+1 |
| 12:06.25 | Maldivia | mikma: for example the eviscerator sets |
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| 12:06.38 | Maldivia | mikma: or frostsavage |
| 12:14.13 | Kalroth | http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=minrl=71;cr=79:86;crs=1:11;crv=0:0#0-2+1 |
| 12:19.35 | mikma | crafting, and raiding grants pvp-items. |
| 12:19.42 | mikma | that sucks balls |
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| 12:30.53 | Mikk | boo hoo we get a level playing field with new 80s? |
| 12:31.04 | Mikk | it's not as if pvp rewards aren't coming |
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| 12:42.24 | mikma | hmm |
| 12:42.37 | mikma | achievements that grant pvp-epix, that would be hot |
| 12:44.01 | Kalroth | so you want achievement points to be a currency? :) |
| 12:44.19 | mikma | no, i want an achievements that grant items |
| 12:44.29 | mikma | like so: get 5000 honorable kills = free pvp trinket |
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| 12:47.06 | Pizik | What are Bliz planning achievement points to be for? |
| 12:47.26 | Kalroth | what they are today |
| 12:47.29 | sacarasc | why do they have to be for anything? |
| 12:47.43 | Kalroth | an arbitrary scale to measure how little life people got! |
| 12:47.54 | Pizik | Because they wouldn't be points otherwise |
| 12:48.25 | sacarasc | they are points, they won't be a currency otherwise |
| 12:48.31 | Kalroth | Achievements are for the titles and mounts and in rare cases, a recipe |
| 12:48.45 | Pizik | People would just go around saying "I have 312/700" rather than how many points they have unless they are intended to be some form of currency |
| 12:48.46 | Kalroth | the points aren't used for anything |
| 12:49.40 | Pizik | Or maybe not currency, but more like arena ratings in that they unlock the ability to get something |
| 12:50.24 | Pizik | I am not saying they -are- used for something, but it would be pointless (hehe) if they are not planned, or were not planned, to have a purpose |
| 12:51.52 | Mikk | It's not as if you buy things for hitpoints, experience points, reputation points ... |
| 12:52.03 | ZorbaTHut | as opposed to grinding levels, which has such an amazing use in real life |
| 12:52.17 | ZorbaTHut | achievement points are just something you can point to and say "I spent effort to do this" |
| 12:52.49 | ZorbaTHut | same with arena points. same with levels. same with equipment. the other stuff tends to make it easier to get more of whatever it is you're trying to get, achievement points have diminishing returns. it's just a number. :) |
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| 12:54.08 | Pizik | Mikk: Those other points have a purpose and are not just an arbitary figure. same at ZorbaTHut |
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| 12:55.22 | ZorbaTHut | they're an arbitrary figure unless you believe that WoW grinding has a purpose beyond gaining more arbitrary figures |
| 12:56.02 | ZorbaTHut | achievement points are an ends, not a means. |
| 12:56.09 | Pizik | Right, I should give up if that is your only arguement |
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| 12:56.57 | ZorbaTHut | I see the achievement game as being yet another game Blizzard has added to WoW, largely independent from the existing games. It's clearly not meant to buff your PvP or PvE performance except in very minimal ways (i.e. 310% flying mounts) |
| 13:00.38 | WobWork | levels at least have an end goal |
| 13:00.49 | WobWork | with rewards along the way in the form of talents |
| 13:00.58 | WobWork | achievements have rewards also, but less regular |
| 13:03.30 | Pizik | reputation also |
| 13:04.56 | Pizik | my point is that you could get the rewards if the points didnt exist, they are superfluous |
| 13:05.09 | ZorbaTHut | not those exact rewards :) |
| 13:05.24 | ZorbaTHut | but the rewards are also obviously chosen to be cute-and-not-useful-for-pvp-or-pve |
| 13:07.09 | ZorbaTHut | dammit, why do you have to be in a raid group in order to go into raid zones |
| 13:15.43 | Kalroth | haha |
| 13:15.58 | Kalroth | You've got several options for that! |
| 13:16.10 | Kalroth | Either get friends (hard one) or a second account (easy one) |
| 13:16.16 | Kalroth | :P |
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| 13:22.02 | ZorbaTHut | friends offline, too lazy for second account ;) |
| 13:22.47 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder if it's possible to get into a raid group, enter, then leave the raid group, without either being evicted or having your temporary-raid-friend saved to the instance |
| 13:30.22 | Gr3Ger | Sorry for interrupting but how do I get/set the value of a checkbox? -_-' |
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| 13:32.58 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 13:34.52 | Gr3Ger | thanks ^^ |
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| 13:46.15 | zenzio | it's peppy time! |
| 13:46.31 | mikma | HALT! |
| 13:46.33 | mikma | peppytime! |
| 13:47.08 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: somehow that gave me some naughty ideas |
| 13:49.47 | mikma | what's the address again for eu status-page? |
| 13:49.52 | mikma | ~wowstatus |
| 13:50.01 | mikma | bleh |
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| 13:50.17 | zenzio | hm |
| 13:50.22 | zenzio | ~wowlauncher |
| 13:50.31 | zenzio | ~wowalert |
| 13:50.31 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 13:50.41 | mikma | thanks |
| 13:57.00 | Maldivia | uhh.... it's snowing! |
| 13:57.05 | Lopeppeppy | No. |
| 13:57.07 | Lopeppeppy | No snows. |
| 13:57.09 | Lopeppeppy | No! |
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| 13:59.57 | haste | mikma: pong :p ? |
| 14:00.58 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: where's the christmas spirit? |
| 14:01.24 | Lopeppeppy | Maldivia, I don't celebrate no Christmases! Rawr! |
| 14:01.38 | Lopeppeppy | But I do put up all the lights, so I'm kind of an agnostic about spirit. |
| 14:05.55 | cbreak | lights? must be some weird US tradition. |
| 14:06.30 | Lopeppeppy | Blinking awesome lights, very weird tradition. You know already that us Staties are messed in the head. |
| 14:06.56 | Josh_Borke | yep, lights help bring in the christmas spirit |
| 14:07.01 | Josh_Borke | you know, like they put up in wow |
| 14:07.45 | cbreak | we have a tree. decorated with glitter stuff, candles and cocolate stuff. :) |
| 14:08.10 | sacarasc | trees and candles are dangerous! |
| 14:08.14 | cbreak | (the amount of chocolate on the tree decreases with the progression of the holidays.) |
| 14:08.41 | cbreak | not that dangerous. it's not like they burn unsupervised. :) |
| 14:08.57 | Josh_Borke | i believe lights are to replace candles |
| 14:09.14 | Josh_Borke | combine candles + glitter stuff and you get multi-colored lights that flicker :-D |
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| 14:11.57 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following free migration is scheduled to last until Tuesday, December 9th. . |
| 14:11.57 | Shiibot | To the NEW realm named Chamber of Aspects: Anachronos, Bronze Dragonflight, Bronzebeard, Darkspear, Ghostlands, Hellfire, Khadgar, Kilrogg, Kul Tiras, Nagrand, Terenas, Wildhammer. . Drak'thul, Grim Batol, Sylvanas --> Bladefist |
| 14:11.57 | Shiibot | Al'Akir, Neptulon, Ravencrest --> Deathwing. Burning Legion, Crushridge, Twilight's Hammer --> Dentarg. Magtheridon (Horde only) --> Zenedar, Haomarush. |
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| 14:23.40 | mikma | hahahaahhaha! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds4I_7M90qw&feature=related |
| 14:23.43 | mikma | good stuff :D |
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| 14:25.23 | cbreak | the holes in dalaran? they were mildly amusing |
| 14:28.26 | Lopeppeppy | Pranks from young wizards. :) |
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| 14:58.35 | Gr3Ger | I think I'm going insane here XD All variables are saved through sessions except for one table, the config options. I've programmed for a couple of hours now and I still haven't found any solution to this. So if someone wants to help me take a look at my code. The array: AUTO_TB_Config is the one that doesn't get saved. LINK: http://www.speedyshare.com/702380387.html |
| 14:59.12 | Josh_Borke | Gr3Ger: pastey your code to the website in teh topic |
| 14:59.21 | Josh_Borke | rather than forcing us to download a .rar file |
| 14:59.32 | Gr3Ger | Okay, sorry |
| 14:59.35 | Josh_Borke | the main the we need to know is your .toc file and if you are using a framework |
| 15:03.11 | Gr3Ger | I'm not using a framework and I've implemented the right stuff in the SavedVariablesPerCharacter. I've no idea of what went wrong. |
| 15:06.24 | alestane | I have a suspect, need a moment to compare... |
| 15:08.46 | alestane | No, looks like the capitalization is being maintained, even though AUTO_TB_Config is not capitalized in a way which is consistent with your other variables. |
| 15:09.13 | alestane | Your slash commands won't work in this form. |
| 15:09.26 | cbreak | Gr3Ger: how do you know it's not saved? |
| 15:09.48 | cbreak | did you really mention the variable in your TOC? And not someone that is spelled slightly different? |
| 15:10.05 | Gr3Ger | alestane: yeah I just tampered with the slash commands so I know it doesn't work XD |
| 15:10.39 | Gr3Ger | cbreak: Yep, I know it doesn't work, I have added print() checks when the addon loaded and when the variables loaded. No change there |
| 15:10.41 | alestane | Also, not directly an issue with your code, but your text editor doesn't do cross-platform line endings well. |
| 15:10.54 | cbreak | that's not what I mean |
| 15:11.04 | cbreak | did you actually look at the saved variable file? |
| 15:11.28 | Gr3Ger | I've looked for it but I can't find it :/ But the weird thing is that the others get saved somehow |
| 15:11.34 | cbreak | it should be inside WTF/<account>/<server>/<char>/SavedVariables/<addonname>.lua |
| 15:11.43 | Gr3Ger | It's not there, I've checked XD |
| 15:11.55 | cbreak | then your TOC is wrong |
| 15:11.56 | alestane | Does "AUTO_TB_Config = nil" apppear in your AutoToolbox.lua file in SavedVariables? |
| 15:12.09 | cncfanatics | is there anything in weaponsmithing/armorsmithing thats worth it ? |
| 15:12.30 | cncfanatics | (me being a pallytank) |
| 15:12.34 | alestane | Also, refer to Frame.lua in your .toc or in a <script> in your XML, but not both. |
| 15:12.38 | Gr3Ger | Same as my previous answer, there is no AutoToolbox.lua in WTF/<account>/<server>/<char>/SavedVariables/ |
| 15:12.56 | alestane | Gr3Ger: What OS? |
| 15:12.57 | cbreak | so you screwed up something in your TOC |
| 15:13.06 | Gr3Ger | WinXP sp3 |
| 15:13.21 | cbreak | or maybe your variables are nil. not sure if those get stored. |
| 15:13.46 | Gr3Ger | I've also tried with setting them to all to 1. they still won't get stored |
| 15:14.17 | cbreak | well then. fix the TOC :) |
| 15:14.56 | alestane | cbreak: I'm pretty sure even nils get stored. If the file doesn't exist, then either he doesn't have write permissions for the directory, or it's not storing them where he expects, which generally oly happens on Vista. |
| 15:15.37 | Gr3Ger | Then what do I have to do with the TOC? XD |
| 15:16.02 | cbreak | it defines which variables to store. |
| 15:16.12 | cbreak | if you haven't mentioned any, no file should be created |
| 15:16.23 | Gr3Ger | I've mentioned all of the ones that should be stored |
| 15:16.28 | cbreak | you sure? |
| 15:16.34 | alestane | cbreak: Unless there's some really stupid error that I'm not noticing, his .toc is fine. |
| 15:16.34 | Gr3Ger | SavedVariablesPerCharacter: AUTO_TB_item, AUTO_TB_quantity, AUTO_TB_arraysize, AUTO_TB_Config |
| 15:16.58 | cbreak | well, that's wrong afaik |
| 15:17.32 | cbreak | it should be ## SavedVariablesPerCharacter: |
| 15:17.33 | Gr3Ger | What's wrong with it? :P |
| 15:17.42 | Gr3Ger | It is, just didn't paste it. My mistake |
| 15:18.26 | cbreak | is your addon loaded? |
| 15:18.46 | Gr3Ger | yep, everything's working like a charm except that the config doesn't get saved |
| 15:18.58 | alestane | i.e., does it show up in the addons list at the character select screen? |
| 15:19.02 | Gr3Ger | yep |
| 15:19.40 | alestane | Okay...have you checked that you have write permission for your toon's SavedVariables directory? |
| 15:20.04 | Gr3Ger | The weird thing is that there's no addonname.lua in my WTF folder for my addon. And eventhough it's not there my other variables get saved when I relog etc |
| 15:20.41 | Gr3Ger | With what command can I check that? I don't think there's any restrictions since I've administrator privileges |
| 15:20.44 | cbreak | non - character saved variables get stored somewhere else |
| 15:21.00 | alestane | Have you added other new addons lately that work correctly? I believe you can have write access for the files in a directory (be able to modify them) without having write access for the directory (be able to add new files). |
| 15:21.25 | Gr3Ger | Yep, all addons I have works fine |
| 15:21.58 | alestane | The directory should be {Whatever WoW's directory is}/WTF/Account/{ACCTNAME}/{Realm}/{Character}/SavedVariables. |
| 15:22.17 | alestane | "Properties" should allow you to verify permissions. |
| 15:22.19 | Gr3Ger | yep, I've checked there, my other addons *.LUA files are there, but not mine :P |
| 15:22.41 | cbreak | weird. |
| 15:22.43 | alestane | Then there may be some sort of wierd whitespce error or something. Let me check. |
| 15:23.07 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 15:23.23 | cbreak | is there a limit to the number of saved variables an addon can have? |
| 15:23.32 | cbreak | try changing the order you mention them in the toc |
| 15:23.34 | alestane | Not that I've heard of... |
| 15:23.38 | cbreak | and report back your findings. :) |
| 15:23.42 | Gr3Ger | ok ;D |
| 15:24.00 | cbreak | (you have to completely exit WoW for the toc to reload. I think you know that :) |
| 15:24.16 | Gr3Ger | I know |
| 15:24.21 | Gr3Ger | ^^ |
| 15:24.39 | cbreak | I thought so. :) |
| 15:25.29 | cbreak | (that would still not explain the missing file. maybe it's stored in an other file? you could search for the name of the variable on your computer, it should find other files where it's mentioned) |
| 15:25.43 | cbreak | if xp has a search that works at least :D |
| 15:26.37 | Gr3Ger | I think we've found our problem. It seems that you can only have a maximum of three savedvariables |
| 15:26.57 | Gr3Ger | I changed the order and: The config works, the arraysize does not ^^ |
| 15:27.27 | cbreak | -> wicked undocumented limits ftw. |
| 15:27.42 | cbreak | you can put them in a common table I guess. |
| 15:27.56 | alestane | It may not be a number limit, it may be the line length. |
| 15:28.03 | Gr3Ger | Can I combine the three arrays into one table? |
| 15:28.13 | cbreak | you can put tables into tables |
| 15:28.20 | alestane | As long as you parse the table correctly when it's loaded. |
| 15:28.22 | cbreak | you can but tables into themselfs too... |
| 15:28.31 | cbreak | (bad idea) |
| 15:28.45 | Gr3Ger | Any suggestion on how I should do it (if you've looked on my code that is) |
| 15:28.48 | alestane | Good idea in the right circumstances. |
| 15:29.02 | alestane | getfenv(0)._G = getfenv(0) |
| 15:29.41 | cbreak | I have no idea where your code is |
| 15:29.52 | cbreak | but you could just make a table MY_WICKED_PARENT = {}; |
| 15:30.00 | cbreak | and then put your four saved tables into it |
| 15:30.01 | Gr3Ger | I posted a link at the start of this conversation ^^ |
| 15:30.12 | cbreak | that was just a rar file... |
| 15:30.18 | Gr3Ger | with my code D: |
| 15:31.05 | Lopeppeppy | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/funny-pictures-white-dove-is-about-to-be-eaten.jpg |
| 15:31.18 | cbreak | and on load you take the variables out and store them into the globals you want. |
| 15:31.31 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: lol |
| 15:31.35 | alestane | But honestly, you can probably just replace AUTO_TB_item, AUTO_TB_quantity, and AUTO_TB_arraysize with AUTO_TB_Config.item, AUTO_TB_Config.quantity, and AUTO_TB_Config.arraysize. |
| 15:32.32 | Gr3Ger | like this? AUTO_TB_Config = {["Autosell"]=nil, ["Autobuy"]=nil, ["Autorepair"]=nil, ["AUTO_TB_item"]={}, ["AUTO_TB_quantity"] = {}, ["AUTO_TB_arraysize"]=0}; |
| 15:32.37 | cbreak | that'd require some s&r on the whole code |
| 15:33.08 | Gr3Ger | but with easier names XD |
| 15:33.11 | alestane | You could, or AUTO_TB_Config = {["Autosell"]=nil, ["Autobuy"]=nil, ["Autorepair"]=nil, ["item"]={}, ["quantity"] = {}, ["arraysize"]=0} |
| 15:33.45 | Gr3Ger | So when I want item[i] I can write AUTO_TB_CONFIG.item[i] ? |
| 15:33.52 | cbreak | why do you store arraysize anyway? |
| 15:34.02 | cbreak | yes |
| 15:34.02 | alestane | With proper capitalization, yes. |
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| 15:34.12 | Gr3Ger | because I know how far I have to loop when I'm checking the array |
| 15:34.18 | cbreak | why? |
| 15:34.24 | cbreak | you could use ipairs |
| 15:34.26 | cbreak | or pairs |
| 15:34.28 | cbreak | or # |
| 15:34.41 | alestane | or maxn, if it's not contiguous. |
| 15:34.45 | Gr3Ger | I've no idea of what you're talking about. |
| 15:34.48 | Gr3Ger | XD |
| 15:34.56 | Gr3Ger | lua specific stuff? |
| 15:34.58 | cbreak | I am talking about ipairs, pairs and # |
| 15:35.14 | linear` | #table will return the array size |
| 15:35.16 | cbreak | the first two are called "iterators" |
| 15:35.24 | cbreak | the latter is the size operator |
| 15:35.47 | cbreak | and as alestane said, # has some limitations |
| 15:36.22 | cbreak | purl, give link to lua manual |
| 15:36.23 | purl | ACTION gives to lua manual to link |
| 15:36.35 | alestane | ~pil |
| 15:36.36 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 15:36.50 | cbreak | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html was what I meant |
| 15:36.59 | cbreak | that thing is great :) |
| 15:37.13 | Gr3Ger | nice ^^ thanks for all your help :D |
| 15:39.10 | krka | # is not a length operator, it's an operator that will return a number i such that t[i+1] == nil |
| 15:39.26 | Shirik | lua> return #("foo") |
| 15:39.26 | lua_bot | Shirik: 3 |
| 15:39.36 | Shirik | lua> return ("foo")[i+1] |
| 15:39.36 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'i' (a nil value) |
| 15:39.40 | Shirik | er |
| 15:39.43 | Shirik | lua> return ("foo")[3+1] |
| 15:39.43 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 15:39.48 | krka | it's overloaded as string length for strings however :P |
| 15:39.50 | Shirik | lua> return ("foo")[2] |
| 15:39.50 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 15:39.58 | Shirik | krka, I'd like to add one thing to that statement :) |
| 15:40.06 | Shirik | a number i such that t[i] ~= nil and t[i+1] == nil |
| 15:40.20 | Shirik | except in the case where #t == 0 |
| 15:40.20 | krka | for tables, # is not a length operator, it's an operator that will return a number i such that t[i+1] == nil |
| 15:40.30 | Shirik | and t[i] ~= nil :) |
| 15:40.42 | alestane | krka: That's length as Lua defines it. |
| 15:41.54 | alestane | Or rather, it's array length rather than what we might assume is table length. |
| 15:43.06 | krka | would be more useful to define # as "one possible free index", so that we could write t[#t] = x |
| 15:43.06 | krka | less confusion |
| 15:43.06 | cbreak | we can write |
| 15:43.06 | krka | yes we can |
| 15:43.06 | cbreak | based on the definition of array length |
| 15:43.36 | Josh_Borke | o.O |
| 15:43.42 | Josh_Borke | that's just bizarre krka |
| 15:43.51 | Josh_Borke | seeing as how lua arrays are 1 based |
| 15:44.08 | linear` | you do t[#t+1] = x |
| 15:44.20 | Josh_Borke | k, i'm on board :-D |
| 15:45.51 | Gr3Ger | AUTO_TB_Config.item[AUTO_TB_Config.arraysize]=Ieditbox:GetText(); doesn't work now :( |
| 15:46.04 | cbreak | you need less yelling in your code :) |
| 15:46.31 | cbreak | and less ugly code :/ |
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| 15:46.42 | Gr3Ger | Haha, sorry XD my first addon ;D |
| 15:47.27 | Gr3Ger | Message: ..\AddOns\AutoToolbox\Frame.lua line 93: attempt to index field 'item' (a nil value) |
| 15:47.31 | Gr3Ger | According to wow |
| 15:48.20 | Gr3Ger | and this is the oobertable I made as you said: AUTO_TB_Config = {["Autosell"]=nil, ["Autobuy"]=nil, ["Autorepair"]=nil, ["item"] = {}, ["quantity"] = {}, ["arraysize"]=0}; |
| 15:48.41 | Trixer2 | so I started work on a pretty awesome ui mod that I think will be easly done too! |
| 15:49.07 | Josh_Borke | Trixer: grats |
| 15:49.28 | Josh_Borke | Gr3Ger: did you pastey your code? |
| 15:49.30 | Trixer | Yeah, its just a simple ui mod that tells you what skills you get at certian levels how much they cost and what they do! |
| 15:49.43 | Josh_Borke | Gr3Ger: did you do AUTO_TB_Config[item] or AUTO_TB_Config["item"]? |
| 15:49.50 | cbreak | so a class trainer cache? |
| 15:49.59 | Trixer | Erm kind of I guess... |
| 15:50.16 | Gr3Ger | Josh: ehm.. Where exactly do you mean? |
| 15:50.19 | cbreak | nice. that could be self-updating |
| 15:50.35 | Trixer | I work at making it self stuff later |
| 15:50.37 | Josh_Borke | Gr3Ger: pastey your code |
| 15:50.39 | cbreak | Gr3Ger: he means: paste your code |
| 15:50.40 | Trixer | right now I just want to get it functional |
| 15:50.52 | Gr3Ger | ok |
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| 15:50.57 | Josh_Borke | Gr3Ger: that website that is in the topic |
| 15:50.59 | Trixer | I also plan on putting in professions later |
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| 15:51.31 | Gr3Ger | What does "secure url" men when I'm pasting? |
| 15:52.10 | alestane | If you want people to need a password to read it. |
| 15:52.15 | Gr3Ger | ok |
| 15:52.18 | Lopeppeppy | Two deathknight questions: Can someone who is Blood link me their build, and what are good professions to painfully grind from zero for a DK? |
| 15:52.33 | Gr3Ger | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103556 |
| 15:52.49 | alestane | I'm almost done grinding Blacksmithing and mining up. |
| 15:52.51 | Trixer | if I was a DK I think i would go blacksmithing... but im not super sure.. maybe engeeriing might be a bit easier.. |
| 15:53.07 | Lopeppeppy | It's not about "easy", but which professions benefit a DPS DK the most? |
| 15:53.59 | alestane | I'm going for axesmith. I haven't done any comprehensive analyses of which stats or gear from what professions will provide the most benefit, it just seemed cool. |
| 15:54.16 | Gr3Ger | It's probably a noob mistake that I've done -_-' just bare with me |
| 15:54.47 | alestane | Gr3Ger: Shouldn't we get to know each other first? |
| 15:54.57 | Lopeppeppy | alestane. :P |
| 15:55.03 | Gr3Ger | haha XD |
| 15:55.52 | alestane | Hey, how often do I get an opening like that...and spot it in time to say something. |
| 15:57.34 | krka | i suggestion herbalism. just because there's something inheritly funny about a death knight picking flowers |
| 15:57.52 | mikma | [17:57:26] Hemet Nesingwary says: Do I detect a bit of jealousy, Dorian? |
| 15:57.52 | mikma | [17:57:31] Dorian Drakestalker says: Well, I don't know. I was here tending the fire and discussing the drawbacks of cogs with Zootfizzle. That's pretty epic, too, in its own way. |
| 15:57.56 | mikma | funny funny stuff :D |
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| 15:58.27 | alestane | mikma: That's actual in-game dialogue? |
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| 15:58.44 | Anaral | mikma I love some of the flavor dialog they include |
| 15:58.48 | mikma | alestane: aye |
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| 15:59.08 | alestane | I knew about the Zootfizzle NPC but that's f***ing hilarious. |
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| 15:59.43 | krka | hmm, did they name the npc after the dev or vice versa? |
| 16:00.02 | Josh_Borke | after the dev |
| 16:00.13 | krka | cool |
| 16:00.14 | alestane | The dev's name was on the forums long before the NPC appeared. |
| 16:00.17 | Josh_Borke | Gr3Ger: what happens when you type /dump AUTO_TB_Config |
| 16:00.17 | Josh_Borke | ? |
| 16:00.46 | krka | note to self: pick a more lore-consistant name, in order to be included in the game |
| 16:01.09 | Josh_Borke | krka might be hard to incorporate into a game |
| 16:01.11 | Gr3Ger | Autorepair=1 |
| 16:01.42 | Gr3Ger | But you can't rely on that since nothing's working since I changed everything into one table |
| 16:01.57 | cbreak | do this: |
| 16:02.06 | cbreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.08 | cbreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.08 | alestane | Gr3Ger: Did you also change all other references to those variables? |
| 16:02.42 | Gr3Ger | yep. look in the code and you'll see :P |
| 16:02.49 | Gr3Ger | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103556 |
| 16:03.52 | krka | Josh_Borke: that's what i meant :( |
| 16:03.55 | alestane | It looks like you got them all. But if there was a previous version of your variables file, it would have overwritten your assignment to AUTO_TB_Config. |
| 16:04.39 | cbreak | there is. |
| 16:04.45 | cbreak | that's the problem we just solved :) |
| 16:05.01 | cbreak | that's why I posted the two commands :) |
| 16:05.04 | Gr3Ger | It works now :D thanks a lot guys |
| 16:06.22 | alestane | Alternatively, you can catch the ADDON_LOADED event and make sure your Config table is up to date. |
| 16:07.07 | cogwheel | RAWR |
| 16:07.15 | cbreak | yes. add a version field |
| 16:07.18 | cbreak | or so |
| 16:07.23 | Anaral | Is there a slash command to open the Interface options directly? |
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| 16:07.37 | cbreak | (if there are previous public versions of your addon you have to check the sub-table existence though) |
| 16:08.20 | cogwheel | All your caffeines are belong to me! |
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| 16:09.45 | alestane | Gr3Ger: Arrays in Lua are generally 1-based, not 0-based. |
| 16:10.13 | Shirik|Ecole | well they're always 1-based :) The "0" entry would enter the hash table portion |
| 16:10.24 | Gr3Ger | I see. thanks for the hint ^^ |
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| 16:16.36 | cladhaire | ohai |
| 16:18.15 | cogwheel | no u |
| 16:19.03 | Trixer | so you know what I just came into the office today in my office? |
| 16:19.21 | Trixer | 400 nextel walkie talkie cellphones that I have put batterys and sim cards in and verify they are working |
| 16:19.44 | cladhaire | sounds like an amazing day |
| 16:19.47 | cladhaire | but easy enough |
| 16:19.49 | cladhaire | install them all |
| 16:19.52 | cladhaire | join them all to a single talkgroup |
| 16:19.54 | cladhaire | and send one message |
| 16:19.56 | cladhaire | DONE and DONE |
| 16:20.05 | Trixer | lmao clad you read my mind! |
| 16:20.09 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 16:20.20 | Shirik|Ecole | warning C4996: 'fopen': This function or variable may be unsafe. |
| 16:20.24 | Shirik|Ecole | How the hell is fopen unsafe? |
| 16:20.25 | Tain | Hope you have the Nextel desktop software to do that, manually is a pain in the ass. |
| 16:20.46 | Trixer | well at the moment im just verfiying them one by one |
| 16:20.55 | Trixer | we will see how the day goes and how I feel after I burn through like 50 of these things |
| 16:23.25 | alestane | Gr3Ger: This requires a few tweaks in the XML to work, but it's a much more "Lua-like" solution: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103560 |
| 16:25.56 | Trixer | ok now sucide comes |
| 16:26.12 | Trixer | I was just told that I need to add each phone to each other phones contact list! |
| 16:27.17 | Trixer | now im not a math genious but thats like 400 to the power of 400 isnt it? Hmm.. I wonder ifI can back up ones copntact list and restore it to the others! |
| 16:27.29 | Tain | That's why you need the Nextel desktop management software. You plug the phone in to your workstation via USB and do it all point and click. |
| 16:28.04 | End | 400 entries on the contact list? :o |
| 16:28.07 | End | in* |
| 16:28.15 | End | that's a big list |
| 16:28.27 | Trixer | well each phone will have about 75 entrys |
| 16:28.30 | alestane | It's 400 to the power of 2. But that's 160,000 contact operations...well, 159,600 really but that's not much consolation. |
| 16:28.32 | Trixer | phones are gruoped... |
| 16:28.41 | Trixer | That sucks |
| 16:28.56 | Trixer | desktop software here I come! |
| 16:30.24 | Trixer | some times being the IT ninja just isnt worth the kewl suite |
| 16:31.16 | Trixer | suit rather |
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| 16:38.16 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 16:38.23 | cladhaire | i should write more "addons" in Hack |
| 16:39.33 | Trixer | wtb ninja helper monkey for ninja IT guy |
| 16:39.34 | Tain | Aren't all of your addons hacks? :) |
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| 16:40.24 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.14 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 16:52.10 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
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| 17:17.15 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_120308_191140.jpg |
| 17:17.17 | mikma | fap fap fap :D |
| 17:18.06 | [SW]Dodge | gz mikma ;) |
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| 17:18.41 | [SW]Dodge | he is 77 and can fly in northrend? :D |
| 17:18.46 | Pneumatus | just hit 77 so he can finally 280% fly im guessing :P |
| 17:18.57 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, one of those super secret things. *nod* |
| 17:19.05 | [SW]Dodge | ;) |
| 17:20.11 | Gnarfoz | "fap fap fap" is the wings in this case, btw |
| 17:20.16 | Gnarfoz | bad misuse of that meme :P |
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| 17:20.42 | Amarande | G'afternoon |
| 17:20.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. I heard it as stroking your epeen, wasn't 100% sure in what way you were doin' it. |
| 17:22.41 | mikma | hehehe |
| 17:22.49 | mikma | atleast some people got the fap fap ;) |
| 17:22.55 | mikma | yeah, it was on purpose. |
| 17:23.58 | Lopeppeppy | Bad creature. |
| 17:25.27 | Lopeppeppy | Did they steal your crackers, Amarande? |
| 17:25.40 | Amarande | Lopeppeppy: Can't transfer my character from Quel'dorei back to Turalyon because of some glitch |
| 17:25.57 | Amarande | apparently, if you try to transfer any toons from any server on the Emberstorm battlegroup, you get told by the transfer page that you have no characters on that server |
| 17:26.26 | Lopeppeppy | That is for suck. I assume you've put in tickets etc? |
| 17:27.00 | Amarande | I posted on an appropriate thread on the CS forum that's had blue posts |
| 17:27.17 | Amarande | apparently, it's a known issue, since a fair number of folks have been posting on customer service with the same problem with the same server and a Blue has answered |
| 17:27.37 | Amarande | however, they still don't have an ETA for when it's going to be fixed, and I'm not sure they even know exactly what the glitch is |
| 17:27.40 | Trixer | maybe you dont have any characters on tyhat server |
| 17:27.51 | Trixer | and they are just figments of your cafeene induced mind! |
| 17:27.57 | Amarande | Trixer: she appears fine when I log onto the game |
| 17:28.15 | Trixer | Drink another pot.. hippy! |
| 17:28.21 | Amarande | there's apparently some kind of DB communications issue between Emberstorm servers and the transfer service page |
| 17:28.41 | zenzelezz | someone remind me, putting a character up for transfer only locks that character, not the account? |
| 17:28.57 | Trixer | right |
| 17:30.40 | Lopeppeppy | Correct, zenzelezz. I could play on other toons while I was transferring my pallie. |
| 17:33.54 | zenzelezz | cheers =) |
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| 17:57.26 | Lunessa | station |
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| 17:57.47 | Lopeppeppy | Hi, Lunessa! |
| 17:58.16 | Lunessa | Hi Lopeppeppy! *huggles* |
| 18:02.59 | Trixer | Woot Im not gonna have to do all these phones today on account of a dentist appointment haha! |
| 18:04.28 | Lopeppeppy | Yay! |
| 18:04.44 | Trixer | I got to get a tooth pulled first one.. sigh... |
| 18:04.55 | Trixer | I hate the dentist only ever been one other time but I hate going... |
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| 18:06.00 | Tsurphr | hello everyone |
| 18:06.13 | alestane | Good morning. |
| 18:06.27 | Tsurphr | anyone got a sec for an easy lua question? |
| 18:06.35 | alestane | ~asktoask |
| 18:06.36 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 18:06.40 | Lopeppeppy | Ask away, Tsurphr. |
| 18:06.50 | Tsurphr | nice |
| 18:07.27 | Tsurphr | using a mount macro, gimme a sec to paste it |
| 18:07.36 | Tsurphr | its short |
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| 18:08.35 | Trixer | lol |
| 18:08.46 | Tsurphr | .. /run if IsMounted() then Dismount() return end local t=IsFlyableArea() and {5} or {1,2,3,6} CallCompanion("MOUNT",t[random(#t)]) |
| 18:10.01 | Tsurphr | I need to add an expression something like GetRealZoneText != Dalaran |
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| 18:11.13 | Lunessa | Tsurphr: Check the UI & Macros forum. We've only posted that like 200 time sin the last 3 weeks. |
| 18:11.20 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/512/ |
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| 18:11.37 | Tsurphr | oh, well pardon me |
| 18:11.49 | Tsurphr | you guys said to ask |
| 18:12.56 | ScytheBlade1 | And we gave you your answer, don't worry too much about it |
| 18:13.31 | alestane | And we gave you an answer...but in a nutshell, you want to put it in next to IsFlyableArea()..."(IsFlyableArea() and GetRealZoneText() ~= Dalaran)" |
| 18:13.56 | alestane | But if you read some of the posts, they also have more useful information IIRC. |
| 18:14.07 | Lunessa | If you hacve room, you might add "Wintersgrasp" |
| 18:14.09 | Lopeppeppy | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12665784421&postId=128900289979&sid=1#2 seems useful, Tsurphr |
| 18:14.17 | Tsurphr | I'm just not familiar with lua syntax |
| 18:14.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Actually, just checking for dalaran doesn't work |
| 18:14.43 | NightHawkTheSane | there are several sub-zones of dalaran that are partially flyable |
| 18:15.07 | Tsurphr | yeah, that could become a long expression |
| 18:15.11 | Lopeppeppy | This one too. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13129906483&postId=131286953359&sid=1 |
| 18:15.19 | Tsurphr | does lua support ternary operators? |
| 18:15.28 | NightHawkTheSane | have you tried google? |
| 18:15.38 | alestane | You mean C/C++'s ?: function? |
| 18:15.39 | Fisker- | We changed how the game handles debuffs (ie negative state effects on targets) on creatures with Wrath of the Lich King. The old hard cap of 40 debuffs on a target no longer effectively exists. You can now apply way more debuffs to a target without them dropping off before their duration expires. The default WoW UI will not normally display all these debuffs, but they really are still there! |
| 18:15.40 | Fisker- | OGMOGMOGMGOMG |
| 18:15.50 | Tsurphr | yeah |
| 18:15.56 | alestane | In Lua that comes out as "condition and a or b". |
| 18:15.59 | Lopeppeppy | Short story, Dalaran and Wintergrasp are being quite finiky and messng up convenient macros. |
| 18:16.18 | Corr-work | i love it, man |
| 18:16.27 | Josh_Borke | this flyable question certainly begs the need for an addon (as i'm sure there is one) |
| 18:16.38 | Corr-work | it greatly amuses me that they got a [flyable] condition added to the UI, and then the area designers broke it |
| 18:16.47 | Tsurphr | lol |
| 18:16.55 | alestane | Livestock is the only one I know of that attempts to address the flyable issue. |
| 18:16.57 | Lopeppeppy | Siblings never get along. |
| 18:17.09 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: there's quite a few, actually |
| 18:17.09 | Corr-work | they managed to create a second condition that also prevents you from flying and does not have a macro conditional |
| 18:17.27 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: well, at least one other... my mod (StableBoy) does |
| 18:18.04 | alestane | I didn't bother with BlazingSaddles because I didn't have a ready way to distinguish flying mounts. |
| 18:19.15 | Tsurphr | but if you're in a sub-zone of dalaran, won't GetRealZoneText return the name of that zone? |
| 18:20.26 | Tsurphr | if you're standing on krasus' landing, the function (I would think) should return that and not Dalaran |
| 18:20.53 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 18:21.18 | NightHawkTheSane | GetRealZoneText always returns the zone name. GetSubZoneText would return the sub zone. obviously. |
| 18:21.46 | NightHawkTheSane | course, this is trivially testable in game. you should try that sometime |
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| 18:22.26 | Corr-work | burn! |
| 18:22.43 | Tsurphr | well I would, but I'm a dev noob |
| 18:22.48 | NightHawkTheSane | so learn? |
| 18:22.53 | Trixer | learn and burn! |
| 18:23.01 | alestane | Ignore him, he's always like that. |
| 18:23.10 | Tsurphr | that would appear to be what I'm doing |
| 18:23.16 | Corr-work | counterburn. |
| 18:23.20 | Corr-work | and now, brb |
| 18:23.36 | NightHawkTheSane | no, you're just asking for the answers. |
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| 18:23.54 | Trixer | I have this awesome picture of me and a friend camping this alliance gnome warlock 10 levels above us.. my undead buddy is like laying down in this creavis in a wall and you can barely see him haha! Its great... im stealthed. Im going to photoshop it with words like "Yeah this is how we camp!" |
| 18:24.03 | Tsurphr | I'm asking for syntax help, through which I will learn |
| 18:24.20 | Tsurphr | but obviously this irritates you so I'll just shut up and go back to google |
| 18:24.48 | Corr-work | enjoy your web :o |
| 18:25.03 | alestane | To which NHTS presumably responds, "Misson accomplished!" |
| 18:25.06 | Corr-work | although i rather recommend wowwiki.com if you're looking for API help |
| 18:25.08 | alestane | sp* |
| 18:25.29 | Tsurphr | I'm reading that too |
| 18:25.30 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: i would if i cared enough to gloat. |
| 18:25.44 | Lopeppeppy | The two threads I linked, plus the Macro guides on the forum those threads are on, are also great places to start. |
| 18:26.00 | NightHawkTheSane | mostly i'm still kinda annoyed that i'm going to have to truck out to fucking bellevue tomorrow >< |
| 18:28.43 | alestane | Tsurphr: Bottom line in my experience is, NightHawkTheSane will never give you a fish if he can ask why you haven't gotten a book on fishing out of the library instead. This is at least somewhat backed by a belief that you'll be a stronger person if you know how to look it up yourself, as far as I can tell. |
| 18:28.53 | Trixer | That sucks Night are you talking about bellvue TN? |
| 18:29.51 | Corr-work | no place with a name like Bellevue can be worth driving to |
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| 18:29.59 | alestane | That and I don't think he likes people very much. |
| 18:30.06 | foxlit | http://www.playauditorium.com/ |
| 18:30.11 | Trixer | Alestane: Agreed |
| 18:30.16 | Amarande | Bellevue ... isn't that the crazy house in New York? |
| 18:30.18 | Trixer | Corr: Its a pretty nice town if its the one I am thinking of. |
| 18:30.33 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: right on all counts :D |
| 18:30.39 | Lunessa | Actually, I'm guilty of handing out a lot of fish myself, even though I try really to show people how to fish. However, when the answer has been given repeatedly, on the first page of the obvious source, well... I gets a might bit testy. |
| 18:31.03 | Lopeppeppy | I however, am the Customer Service Queen. |
| 18:31.24 | Corr-work | i have a suspicion that i may need audio turned on to play this "Auditorium" |
| 18:31.38 | Trixer | So then who wants to teach me how to fish.. I have been reading books and stuff |
| 18:31.43 | Trixer | but im still gettting my lines tangled |
| 18:31.49 | Cidan | Trixer: wut |
| 18:31.57 | Trixer | and i have so many hook cuts.. and I have only managed to catch a little fish and I want the big fish! |
| 18:32.09 | NightHawkTheSane | I can do customer service. if by "service" you mean violence and rudeness. |
| 18:32.19 | Lopeppeppy | I save that for my friends, NightHawkTheSane |
| 18:32.33 | alestane | Kinky! |
| 18:32.38 | Cidan | Whew. |
| 18:32.39 | Trixer | Very! |
| 18:32.42 | Corr-work | i learned how to tweak addons, and how to make basic ones, but i never developed any large ones on my own |
| 18:32.43 | Cidan | Thank God I'm Lopeppeppy's friend? |
| 18:33.06 | Trixer | Im working on a rather kittyish one |
| 18:33.08 | Corr-work | didn't need to, since i couldn't come up with any ideas that other people didn't already have |
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| 18:33.30 | Trixer | Its going to be a skill trainer refrence that lets you see what skills you get at each level how much they cost and what they do. |
| 18:33.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: i'm not rude to my friends. maybe insulting, but not rude |
| 18:33.35 | Trixer | Gonna add in professions later |
| 18:34.06 | Trixer | NightHawk: Can't imagen for the life of me then why you would be spending so much time on IRC instead of going out and enjoying sunlight ;) |
| 18:35.47 | alestane | I presume he's one of those "hates people, loves gatherings" types. |
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| 18:41.55 | Lunessa | alestane: It's ironic, I know. |
| 18:44.02 | Lunessa | I'm not even supposed to be here. |
| 18:45.20 | Trixer | lol |
| 18:45.25 | Trixer | where are you suppose to be then? |
| 18:45.42 | Trixer | and couldnt one argue that if you wernt suppose to be here, then you would be were you were suppose to be? |
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| 18:49.10 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, dante. :P |
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| 18:50.51 | batrick | anyone have opinions on what is a good cost effective graphics card right now? |
| 18:51.04 | Trixer | 8800 gt |
| 18:51.08 | Trixer | awesome card |
| 18:51.23 | batrick | think that's what i have now lol |
| 18:51.37 | Trixer | erm then get another run and run them duel SLI |
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| 18:52.14 | batrick | well I'm sorta building a second computer so that's why I'm looking |
| 18:52.24 | batrick | I was thinking about getting one of those cheap 9800s |
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| 18:54.53 | Lunessa | ATI cards are great. Their drivers blow. So... nVidia all the way, whichever way you go. |
| 18:55.16 | Corr-work | indeed, i've never been impressed by ATI's drivers |
| 18:55.33 | batrick | Lunessa is rhyming today |
| 18:55.42 | Lunessa | I've been fighting a machine for a week over crappy ati drivers. |
| 18:55.45 | Corr-work | nvidia's usually have some minor issues as well, but at least there are often a bunch of different versions with different minor issues. |
| 18:56.00 | batrick | i'm using linux so nvidia is a given |
| 18:56.01 | Corr-work | so you can try another version if one particularly bugs you |
| 18:56.44 | Corr-work | i'd say the GTX 260-216 is pretty cost-effective |
| 18:57.49 | Corr-work | of course, it's available from different vendors for different prices with different amounts of overclocking. |
| 18:58.57 | Cidan | my 9800 GTX+ was the best buy ever |
| 18:59.02 | Cidan | 200 bucks, and full of win |
| 18:59.38 | Corr-work | BFG's highest offering for the 260-216 takes it up to 655mhz/2250mhz, for $290 on newegg |
| 19:00.05 | bleeter | batrick: any serious linux user now has nVidia at #3 after Intel #1, ATI #2 ;) |
| 19:00.09 | Corr-work | the standard rate is 576mhz/1998mhz it says |
| 19:00.25 | batrick | bleeter: that doesn't really make any sense |
| 19:00.31 | batrick | ATI's drivers for linux suck balls |
| 19:00.39 | Corr-work | balls of suck |
| 19:00.48 | ZorbaTHut | batrick, but they suck open-source balls |
| 19:00.59 | ZorbaTHut | which means that the community can inspect and modify your balls |
| 19:01.07 | bleeter | batrick: well go help either of the 2 groups that are writing them :P |
| 19:01.12 | Corr-work | oshit, he's right. if you're using linux, you have to stick to open source stuff. |
| 19:01.38 | batrick | if I had time sure and any interest in writing drivers for graphics cards I would |
| 19:01.47 | batrick | since I don't, I'll stick with drivers that work =) |
| 19:02.02 | Corr-work | the penguins hide in your closet and violate you at night if you don't ._. |
| 19:02.19 | Lopeppeppy | Penguins are better than rats. |
| 19:02.21 | batrick | i lock the penguin in my computer case |
| 19:02.30 | bleeter | the raadeonhd driver works fine on my r6xx lappy =)) |
| 19:02.58 | bleeter | least I know when xorg updates I have a glimmer of stuff being fixed fast... /me shakes fist at nVidia |
| 19:03.09 | Corr-work | one thing to note, the gtx 260 is a very LARGE card, or LONG anyway. |
| 19:03.55 | Corr-work | and so is the 280, of course |
| 19:04.55 | batrick | I'm probably looking for just a 9800 (which one would conclude is significantly better than 8800?) |
| 19:05.00 | Corr-work | not that it has trouble fitting onto motherboards, persay, but it can be a tight fit in some cases. so be dextrous. |
| 19:06.52 | batrick | i love newegg reviews written entirely in capital letters |
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| 19:07.11 | bleeter | batrick: anyways, you may wanna have a chat to adys about nVidia drivers, the current ones are sending him around the bend >< |
| 19:07.39 | batrick | do you know what kind of card he's using? |
| 19:09.21 | Pizik | Have Blizzard altered Paladin Itemisation away from having a large mana pool and more heavily in the MP5 direction? |
| 19:12.05 | Lopeppeppy | Pizik, they're doing a lot of things to paladins, that might indeed be one of them. I've lost track, honestly. |
| 19:12.09 | bleeter | batrick: not off the top of my head, no. I suspect it's mentioned in the Wine bugs he's been filing (though whether stuffs been a wine bug or a driver bug's been quite hard to say) |
| 19:12.15 | Lopeppeppy | And I do assume you're taking holy paladins. |
| 19:12.24 | Pizik | Yeah mate |
| 19:12.52 | Pizik | Just been looking at the Brilliant Saronite Blacksmithed set, only 25 Int on the entire set |
| 19:13.16 | Lopeppeppy | Is that intended more for other flavors of paladins? I haven't much seen the stats on crafted stuff. |
| 19:13.42 | Pizik | All spell power, Crit and MP5 |
| 19:13.57 | Pizik | Alot of Spell Power aswell |
| 19:15.03 | Lopeppeppy | Crit is good for holydins, as of course is spell power. How many pieces does the smithed set have? |
| 19:15.34 | batrick | newegg sold out on the memory i was gonna buy :( |
| 19:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | Newegg deals sell out fast this time of year. |
| 19:16.13 | batrick | aye |
| 19:16.45 | bnovc | memory is cheap enough that it isn't a big deal |
| 19:16.46 | Pizik | Complete set, helm down to boots Lopeppeppy |
| 19:16.46 | batrick | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284 sold out around 7 am, when I came back just now they got them back in though |
| 19:16.52 | bleeter | mind you, it has to be said that some of the generic open source driver issues would bare;y be a problem if SGI didn't continue to be a bunch of idiots |
| 19:16.56 | batrick | restocking in less than 5 hours is impressive! |
| 19:17.38 | bleeter | 'hey, we've finally open sourced everything' 'um, what about the GLX stuff' 'oh umm' |
| 19:17.50 | Lopeppeppy | I personally wouldn't be crafting that set, Pizik, because Int is too valuable to completely take away from a holy set. Unless they are counting on enchants, gems, and glyphs, which is silly. But perhaps a few chosen items from the set will be good to complement other gear you have, etc. |
| 19:18.44 | Pizik | That is what I was thinking, there is the new ability that regens 25% of your total mana every minute, but 25% of very little is still very little |
| 19:18.58 | bleeter | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/2008-09-sgi-announcement |
| 19:19.58 | batrick | man, only one shitty heatsink/fan for LGA1366 is getting sad |
| 19:20.01 | batrick | been this way for weeks |
| 19:20.12 | Lopeppeppy | I won't write off the set, but I won't be leaning heavily on it unless somehow I find that my mana pool is just too big, and I want to shrink it. Not. Since Int boosts my healing. |
| 19:20.28 | Corr-work | batrick: i was going to recommend a slightly cheaper Seagate 1tb drive on zipzoomfly, but the price has gone up since i made my order, so never mind. :| |
| 19:20.33 | Pizik | Cant gem it either, has no sockets, so left with kits and enchants for Int, which wouldnt be enough I dont think |
| 19:21.03 | batrick | Corr-work: how muhc cheaper? the cust reviews on newegg favor the drive |
| 19:21.13 | batrick | the WD drive* |
| 19:21.21 | Pizik | Im level 73 atm with near 13,000 mana unbuffed, and I am noticing that I don't drop below 50% so far, unless it is a DK 'tank' |
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| 19:21.53 | batrick | i'm thinking about buying 3 or 4 of those hard drives for a RAID 5 |
| 19:22.07 | Corr-work | let me think for a sec. it was cheaper at the time, but maybe A) the price of the seagates at ZZF went up or B) the prices have switched places or something |
| 19:22.07 | Lopeppeppy | How your mana pool works while leveling does not equal how it will function in a 10 or 25 man raid, Pizik. |
| 19:22.15 | Corr-work | the WD drive is cheaper now, so i'd stick with that |
| 19:22.20 | Pizik | ofc |
| 19:22.35 | Corr-work | or at least the WD drive is cheaper on newegg than the seagate drive is on ZZF |
| 19:23.56 | Pizik | Maybe it is designed for leveling, being 74 - 77, might be some kind of Holy Shockadin thing |
| 19:25.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Any gear with an ilvl under 180 should be considered 'leveling' gear, and looked at in terms of how it helps you do that |
| 19:31.45 | KarlKFI | my http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152102 has been working just fine for me. It's actually faster than my other 7200 drives in access time. |
| 19:32.07 | KarlKFI | other smaller* drives |
| 19:37.22 | KarlKFI | the WD seems to clock in at about the same speed as the spinpoint, possibly faster, but the neano seconds aren't gonna be noticable, imo |
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| 19:38.27 | Corr-work | indeed. tell you what i like is having my data striped across 3 drives. although i need to get on that "making backups" stuff pretty soon |
| 19:38.44 | Corr-work | which reminds me, i haven't been able to find just the right backup utility |
| 19:40.26 | KarlKFI | they all suck |
| 19:40.28 | Corr-work | i want something that will synchronize another drive i connect with parts of the main volume. it won't be big enough to hold the whole thing, but i have more than one other drive i can connect. i want it to just copy anything new from the data volume to the extra one, delete files that don't exist on the data volume, and so on. |
| 19:40.28 | ZorbaTHut | man, I'm actually buying living rubies off the AH to vendor them, and making a profit off it |
| 19:40.33 | ZorbaTHut | how the mighty have fallen |
| 19:40.49 | KarlKFI | yeah, blue BC gems are vendor trash now |
| 19:41.58 | Lopeppeppy | Nice turnaround though, ZorbaTHut. |
| 19:42.13 | ZorbaTHut | lope, true, but I'm not really making much |
| 19:42.26 | ZorbaTHut | just part of hammering the "yes" button on Auctioneer |
| 19:43.36 | NightHawkTheSane | ill hammer YOU |
| 19:43.50 | Lunessa | Can someone familar with Status Bars help this poor fellow who keeps bumping his post? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13129888957&sid=1 |
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| 19:47.52 | Amarande | Karl: depends, blue gems are still useful for grinding JC |
| 19:48.01 | Amarande | and they're still better than an empty socket |
| 19:48.06 | Amarande | I laugh at empty socketed gear :P |
| 19:48.28 | Amarande | Even if I pick up a really nice piece of gear in an instance, if it has sockets, I wait till I can get back to bank/AH and gem it before I put it on |
| 19:49.01 | ZorbaTHut | I've occasionally had a few cases where the unsocketed gear was better than whatever I was wearing at the time |
| 19:49.09 | Corr-work | huh? even if it's superior to what you're wearing? |
| 19:49.16 | Corr-work | so you just... wear inferior equipment. |
| 19:49.18 | Amarande | but in any case, blue BC gems still help for grinding JC |
| 19:49.28 | Amarande | Corr: at least till the instance is over |
| 19:49.42 | Amarande | generally speaking, if you're in the instance to begin with your gear is most likely good enough anyway |
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| 19:50.00 | smcn | 90% of the time a piece of gear is a minor upgrade even WITH gems/enchants, and would be a downgrade without them |
| 19:50.05 | Corr-work | just making sure i understood. whatever, dude, it's your time. |
| 19:50.14 | Amarande | yeah, what smcn says, too |
| 19:50.27 | Corr-work | that's not the situation i asked about, though |
| 19:50.39 | Amarande | actually, is it 350 now that you can start working with green WotLK gems? |
| 19:50.41 | Amarande | I can't remember now |
| 19:50.50 | Amarande | it looks like they overlapped things more than they did with the transition to BC though |
| 19:51.01 | Amarande | (transition to BC = ugly for most professions :S) |
| 19:52.09 | Amarande | Corr: it would have to be an upgrade to equip right away |
| 19:52.25 | Amarande | and like smcn says, I have extremely rarely seen a piece of gear in an instance that's a big upgrade unsocketed |
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| 20:00.20 | Corr-work | then i must have misunderstood what you were saying before |
| 20:00.43 | zenzelezz | instance server fucked on my realm (or battlegroup) |
| 20:00.45 | Corr-work | well, it makes sense now |
| 20:01.21 | Amarande | zenzelezz: which battlegroup? |
| 20:01.36 | zenzelezz | hm, what is it again... Misery? EU |
| 20:01.53 | Amarande | ah, EU |
| 20:01.56 | zenzelezz | yes, Misery |
| 20:02.00 | Amarande | I was wondering if maybe Emberstorm was becoming further fail |
| 20:12.40 | zenzelezz | Azuredragon the Argent Champion... looks so wrong |
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| 20:23.25 | Movix | i'm still not understanding how the IG calendar is initializing. until opened the API function only returning the player events but not the raid resets |
| 20:25.01 | Movix | also all functions in the blizzard addon files are not loaded until the calendar is opened once |
| 20:25.45 | Industrial | Where can I gererally find upcoming patchnotes? |
| 20:26.45 | Tekkub | in my pants |
| 20:27.15 | Industrial | its a trap |
| 20:27.23 | Tekkub | mmo-champion probably has them fairly early |
| 20:27.35 | Tekkub | they go up on wowwiki eventually |
| 20:27.36 | Lunessa | it's a trap! |
| 20:27.44 | Cidan | So wow |
| 20:27.58 | Industrial | i just wanna know wtf is going to hapend to my class next patch and also if Enchant Weapon - Berserking is going to get any cheaper |
| 20:28.04 | Industrial | happen* |
| 20:28.14 | Cidan | For some reason, I've stopped biting my nails. |
| 20:28.19 | Cidan | like, I'm not biting them at all. |
| 20:28.30 | Cidan | Which is great, it was a horrible habit. |
| 20:28.37 | Industrial | Cidan: \:D/ |
| 20:28.45 | Tekkub | you just need to relax |
| 20:29.02 | Cidan | I think... I am, for the first time in... well, ever, I'm relaxed, lol. |
| 20:29.42 | Tekkub | I don't bite my nails of stress, I bite them when they break and I don't have a nail clipper |
| 20:29.57 | Tekkub | which is why I have like 4 scattered around my desk and one on my keychain |
| 20:30.10 | Cidan | I use a nail file now to keep them down. |
| 20:30.17 | p3lim | what t7 parts can be bought by vendor? |
| 20:30.24 | Tekkub | I like mine long |
| 20:30.37 | Tekkub | then I can file them into a point and pretend I have claws |
| 20:30.51 | Cidan | Feels weird to have nails, lol |
| 20:30.53 | Cidan | not used to it. |
| 20:31.19 | Tekkub | good for back scratching too |
| 20:34.06 | Lunessa | Tekkub: Cat-girl trapped in a male body? |
| 20:34.15 | Cidan | mm |
| 20:34.28 | Cidan | Yeah, I like being able to scratch someone... in all the right ways. |
| 20:34.28 | Tekkub | no old Calvin and Hobbes joke no one got |
| 20:34.33 | Cidan | It's... nice. |
| 20:35.22 | Lunessa | Tekkub: You're right, I missed the C&H reference. :( |
| 20:35.48 | Tekkub | Calvin gets a tiger outfit, plans on making "claws" |
| 20:35.59 | Tekkub | hobbes: "Mine are retractable" |
| 20:37.49 | Cidan | God damn it |
| 20:38.01 | Cidan | Haven't got laid in... |
| 20:38.08 | Cidan | Since April! |
| 20:38.20 | Thrae | Cidan: Look between the legs; that's usually a good way to tell 'em apart. |
| 20:38.30 | Cidan | Hah |
| 20:38.51 | Lopeppeppy | Cidan, you have a new girlfriend. Learn patience! |
| 20:39.09 | Cidan | Oh, I'm not really talking about htat |
| 20:39.11 | Cidan | that, even. |
| 20:39.15 | Cidan | Just, been a while is all. |
| 20:40.00 | Thrae | I'd self gratify more often, but I keep getting these damn headaches. |
| 20:40.49 | Lopeppeppy | Headaches shouldn't come from that. |
| 20:40.55 | Lopeppeppy | That should *relieve* headaches! |
| 20:41.01 | Cidan | No shit. |
| 20:42.26 | Thrae | Also, I think I'm cheating on myself with myself. |
| 20:42.34 | Thrae | I'm such a tease. |
| 20:42.40 | Cidan | What. |
| 20:43.17 | Lopeppeppy | Just don't let yourself find out. Or at least be man enough to fess up, and see if yourself can handle sharing time and attention. Sometimes ourselves are much more flexible than we give them credit for. |
| 20:44.19 | Amarande | hmm, proof that the universe was not designed by an almighty, benevolent entity |
| 20:44.29 | Amarande | relationships would be much easier if it was :) |
| 20:45.50 | Lopeppeppy | Amarande, you can create any relationship you want to have, if you're honest and find an honest partner. |
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| 20:46.50 | Lopeppeppy | Get a room, guys. |
| 20:46.57 | foxlit | a relationship based on mutual deceit, peppy? |
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| 20:47.06 | Cidan | Speak for your self, Peppy! |
| 20:47.22 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, make him pay for a hotel room. |
| 20:48.16 | Tekkub | damn you clipping! the way my Draenei runs, his 2H axe should be chopping off his tail |
| 20:49.20 | Josh_Borke | ew, a tail, chop it off! |
| 20:49.27 | foxlit | Use a sword, clealry |
| 20:49.38 | Tekkub | levelin, I take what I gets |
| 20:50.02 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, my idle animation currently involves stabbing myself in the leg repeatedly with my fist weapon |
| 20:50.29 | Tekkub | at least you don't have an itchy tauren ass? |
| 20:50.52 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 20:51.59 | cladhaire | Doesn't someone here write TitanPanel? |
| 20:52.02 | cladhaire | And RuneWatch? |
| 20:52.05 | cladhaire | where are they hiding |
| 20:52.24 | Tekkub | no one wants to admit to writing Titan :) |
| 20:52.48 | Lopeppeppy | Rune Watch. I think I use that one. |
| 20:52.59 | NightHawkTheSane | I think the guy who writes that is here, but i dont remember who |
| 20:53.09 | cladhaire | Titan doesn't remember to display TourGuide |
| 20:53.12 | cladhaire | which pisses me off :P |
| 20:53.23 | cladhaire | I think I'm going to write the standalone panel view for LDB |
| 20:53.26 | cladhaire | to get around this |
| 20:55.33 | Tekkub | haha, I love stupid people |
| 20:55.57 | Tekkub | [13:54:02] [Phyr] hey u selling frstfire glyph |
| 20:56.14 | Tekkub | I don't respond, he's obviously looking at the AH and they're currently overpriced |
| 20:56.22 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 20:56.37 | Tekkub | [13:54:36] A buyer has been found for your auction of Glyph of Frostfire |
| 20:57.29 | cladhaire | lol |
| 20:57.39 | Amarande | Tekkub: then you have all the characters from Baldur's Gate 2 that are obviously huge masochists |
| 20:57.51 | Amarande | since it always looks like when they're out of combat that their swords go straight thru them :P |
| 20:58.03 | Tekkub | and that is how I get 100g from kiddies that can't type! |
| 20:58.28 | Amarande | I miss the days when you got your AH money right away |
| 20:58.39 | Tekkub | I don't really |
| 20:59.15 | Tekkub | if it helps them stop goldsellers, which I'm not sure it does, I'm fine with it |
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| 21:00.22 | Lunessa | Anyone noticed the joke in the Sons of Hodir daily quests but me? |
| 21:01.15 | Lunessa | "Blowing Hodir's Horn" and another quest to polish a helmet... |
| 21:01.16 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not at a point of doing dailies... *mourns* |
| 21:01.23 | Lopeppeppy | Very Secret Diaries! |
| 21:01.44 | Lunessa | Any way... meeting time. |
| 21:01.50 | Tekkub | oh that reminds me... |
| 21:03.18 | Adys | [21:05:57] <batrick> do you know what kind of card he's using? |
| 21:03.24 | Adys | 9800gtx+ |
| 21:04.16 | batrick | thanks Adys, what distro are you using? |
| 21:04.23 | Adys | debian |
| 21:04.26 | batrick | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130384 |
| 21:04.33 | batrick | I was considering getting that card |
| 21:04.54 | Adys | 178.x drivers are fine |
| 21:05.10 | Adys | but 180.x bug up on second start of any 3d app under wine |
| 21:05.26 | NeoTron | so my own subjective opinion of the wintergrasp boss loot table: lame |
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| 21:05.42 | NeoTron | yay we get two random pvp or pve tier items that has about 80% likelyhood of being useless to our 10-man raid |
| 21:05.45 | NeoTron | once a week |
| 21:05.52 | NeoTron | or 90% or somewhere in that neighbourhood |
| 21:06.06 | NeoTron | Worst. Idea. Ever. |
| 21:06.08 | Adys | bring a warlock and a druid |
| 21:06.17 | Adys | and you got 100% chance to have a use for them |
| 21:06.20 | batrick | ok thanks again Adys |
| 21:06.23 | Adys | molten core's back, and he's not happy |
| 21:06.43 | NeoTron | we got feral ruid pvp gloves (we have 1 druid, boomkin) and rogue pvp gloves (no rogues in the guild) |
| 21:06.54 | NeoTron | easy to cut off the schedule though |
| 21:07.09 | Adys | we dont have any rogue in the guild either |
| 21:07.11 | NeoTron | easy to kill but not worth the time except for a some off-raid event |
| 21:07.15 | Adys | what's up with that anyway? |
| 21:08.58 | |Jelly| | Any ideas on why my internet works (except, I guess it's been flickering) but I can't connect to my router? |
| 21:09.12 | Tekkub | your router is dead? |
| 21:09.37 | |Jelly| | Wouldn't a router being dead also make things like .. the internet stop working? |
| 21:09.49 | Codayus_ | Maybe. Depends how its dying. Can you ping it? |
| 21:09.55 | |Jelly| | Yup |
| 21:10.19 | Codayus_ | So the issue is the web interface isn't working? |
| 21:10.20 | Adys | its web ui is probably just fucked then |
| 21:10.41 | |Jelly| | Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64 |
| 21:10.43 | Codayus_ | *shrug* So yeah, it's probably running some embedded web server, which has hopefully just crashed. Reboot and maybe it'll work. |
| 21:10.52 | |Jelly| | kk |
| 21:11.10 | Adys | the router my isp gave me is funny |
| 21:11.14 | Codayus_ | If it doesn't, then it's probably corrupted its own config files, and you're screwed unless you can figure out how to reset it to factory defaults. |
| 21:11.25 | Adys | it has an overkill web interface for a shitty 10 dollar router |
| 21:11.28 | Adys | however |
| 21:11.32 | |Jelly| | Push and hold the reset button on the back. :P |
| 21:11.38 | |Jelly| | Been there, done that. |
| 21:11.40 | sacarasc | Adys: you aren't allowed to talk, you have too many achievement points |
| 21:11.48 | Codayus_ | Unles its a hardware problem, and the web interface isn't EVER coming back. |
| 21:11.49 | Adys | whenever the router is connected to the internet, i cannot access the web interface |
| 21:11.51 | Adys | shush sacarasc |
| 21:12.02 | |Jelly| | How many does he have? |
| 21:12.07 | sacarasc | over 5000 |
| 21:12.12 | |Jelly| | jesus |
| 21:12.50 | Adys | 5045 i think |
| 21:13.01 | Adys | gonna try to hit 5100 tonight |
| 21:13.02 | Adys | brb |
| 21:13.08 | Amarande | how many achievement points total are there currently in the game? |
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| 21:14.10 | sacarasc | Adys lies! only 5025! |
| 21:14.12 | Amarande | wb |
| 21:14.22 | Amarande | Adys, do you know off the top of your head what the max possible achievement score is? |
| 21:14.26 | Adys | Amarande: something like 75000 |
| 21:14.28 | Adys | 7500 |
| 21:14.54 | Adys | thott made a list around 7900 |
| 21:15.03 | Adys | but counting all the horde/alliance ones etc |
| 21:15.07 | Adys | so its a bit lower |
| 21:22.32 | p3lim | what would be a good pre-naxx hunter weapon? |
| 21:22.46 | p3lim | and dont go "every weapon is a hunter weapon" on me |
| 21:24.08 | abyx | is there a global variable for spellpower and stuff? So i can do something like /script print(PLAYER_SPELLPOWER) or something like that? |
| 21:24.10 | mikma | stop being a huntard, every weapon is a hunter weapon |
| 21:24.24 | Pneumatus | theres a function |
| 21:24.33 | p3lim | really, i need to find one good |
| 21:24.51 | mikma | the legendary bow |
| 21:25.04 | abyx | a function? |
| 21:28.06 | KarlKFI | the one the char frame uses, look it up |
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| 21:29.07 | Cralor` | p3lim: http://www.wowhead.com/?items=2.2&filter=minrl=70;maxrl=79;ub=3;cr=131;crs=1;crv=0 |
| 21:30.56 | p3lim | for a 80 hunter ofcourse |
| 21:31.22 | Cralor` | like just 80? |
| 21:32.23 | Cralor` | how about this one? http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37615 |
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| 21:33.38 | Tsurphr | ok I failed at googling this one... in lua, how do I determine if a variable is contained in an array of values? besides using sequential if/else statements |
| 21:34.58 | KarlKFI | a for loop with an if statement? |
| 21:35.01 | alestane | For value v and table t, you want to know if there exists a key k in t such that t[k] == v? |
| 21:35.21 | KarlKFI | no not key, he said array |
| 21:35.33 | alestane | the key could be an integer. |
| 21:35.38 | Tsurphr | example: if x = a or b or c |
| 21:35.55 | p3lim | thats a bow |
| 21:35.56 | p3lim | melee wep |
| 21:36.01 | KarlKFI | that's not an array or a list.. |
| 21:36.12 | KarlKFI | oh... i get it |
| 21:36.17 | Tsurphr | like, a matchlist |
| 21:36.22 | p3lim | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44249 |
| 21:36.25 | alestane | So basically, you want to answer the question, "Is x in set s?" |
| 21:36.38 | Tsurphr | yeah |
| 21:36.42 | KarlKFI | make a table with your values as keys |
| 21:36.43 | Tsurphr | and how do I define that set |
| 21:37.16 | Tsurphr | you mean make the key and value the same? |
| 21:37.22 | alestane | You can say, "if {[a] = true, [b] = true, [c] = true}[x] then". |
| 21:37.44 | KarlKFI | ew dont make it inline liek that tho |
| 21:37.57 | KarlKFI | but yeah that idea |
| 21:38.11 | alestane | Not the best way to do it...if your set is static, precreate it and store a copy. |
| 21:38.32 | Tsurphr | it is static |
| 21:38.55 | KarlKFI | > local a,b,c = 1,2,3; local x=2; local set = { [a] = true, [b] = true, [c] = true }; print (set[x]); |
| 21:38.59 | KarlKFI | hmmm |
| 21:39.08 | KarlKFI | >> local a,b,c = 1,2,3; local x=2; local set = { [a] = true, [b] = true, [c] = true }; print (set[x]); |
| 21:39.12 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 21:39.21 | Amarande | at 41, for an enh shaman who just switched over to dual wielding |
| 21:39.23 | KarlKFI | batbot, what's your lua prefix? |
| 21:39.23 | batbot | KarlKFI, Cannot predict now. |
| 21:39.30 | alestane | lua> local a,b,c = 1,2,3; local x=2; local set = { [a] = true, [b] = true, [c] = true }; print (set[x]); |
| 21:39.30 | lua_bot | alestane: true |
| 21:39.30 | KarlKFI | why not, batbot? |
| 21:39.33 | Amarande | which ax should I buy at AH ... Stalvan's for 32g or Sickle Axe for 86g? |
| 21:39.43 | Amarande | there are apparently no other decent 1h axes on ah around my level |
| 21:39.47 | KarlKFI | batbot, you fail. |
| 21:39.57 | Cralor` | Karl, do you just switch names when you feel like it? :D |
| 21:40.06 | batrick | KarlKFI: !lua |
| 21:40.14 | KarlKFI | um |
| 21:40.21 | KarlKFI | meh |
| 21:40.37 | KarlKFI | L2 use the same prefix as other bots |
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| 21:40.47 | Amarande | say, also, is blizzard trying to phase out buff consumables entirely and force people to raid with just the abilities Elune gave them and what's on their gear naturally? |
| 21:40.56 | Amarande | first there was the discontinuation of wizard oil |
| 21:41.01 | KarlKFI | Cralor`: something like that. |
| 21:41.02 | Amarande | now apparently drums don't work anymore past 79 |
| 21:41.29 | Amarande | are there any real buff consumables at 80 besides flasks, or is it all about gems/enchants and passive gear stats now? |
| 21:41.35 | Adys | wow nice job sherlock there. |
| 21:41.57 | Amarande | (tell me they're not taking out flasks too :|) |
| 21:42.04 | KarlKFI | i hope |
| 21:42.22 | KarlKFI | consumables blow. let's phase out alchemists too |
| 21:42.30 | Cralor` | lol |
| 21:42.35 | Amarande | Karl: alchemists already took a huge blow with the one per combat potion nerf |
| 21:42.44 | KarlKFI | moar! |
| 21:42.50 | abyx | huge buff with flasks lasting 4 hours over the standard 2 |
| 21:42.50 | KarlKFI | nurf them liek a paladin |
| 21:42.51 | abyx | imho |
| 21:42.57 | Amarande | raid guilds used to expect you to bring a couple stacks of healing potions per raid, and mana users to have a couple stacks of mana pots too |
| 21:43.15 | Cralor` | Amarande: oh the memories... |
| 21:43.24 | Amarande | now you go through much less, since you can only use one potion per fight |
| 21:43.26 | abyx | as a mage i run 25 naxx with 5 mana potions in my bags and rarely ever need them |
| 21:43.32 | Cralor` | shit i am OOM. not pots. no CDs.... WERE DOOMED! |
| 21:43.41 | Amarande | (and if a class uses a buff pot other than a flask, that means they can't use a healing or mana pot that fight, right?) |
| 21:43.45 | alestane | or you can iterate over a list of values..."function(value, ...) for i=1, select('#', ...) do if select(i, ...) == value then return value; end end end". |
| 21:43.46 | Tsurphr | hmm |
| 21:43.59 | abyx | the pro thing to do is pop a haste potion seconds before you pull the boss |
| 21:44.08 | Amarande | basically, what are alchemists expected to make when potions are so much less useful |
| 21:44.10 | abyx | so you get the haste potion and can still use hp and mana pots |
| 21:44.13 | mikma | i wonder what was the potion-change about |
| 21:44.18 | KarlKFI | that's more expensive processing, less memory grind |
| 21:44.21 | Amarande | and the phase-out of buff consumables rather suggests that flasks are going to go away eventually as well |
| 21:44.32 | abyx | the potion-change? |
| 21:44.34 | abyx | casualmode. |
| 21:44.57 | Amarande | oddly enough, it always seems to me that nerfing consumables -hurts- casuals, more than anything else |
| 21:45.06 | Amarande | although I do hear they nerfed mobs correspondingly to keep it balanced |
| 21:45.06 | abyx | now those poor casuals don't have to spend so much time farming for mats and whatnot to waste on bosses as they wipe in naxx... or something like that |
| 21:45.07 | mikma | what are the potions doing i n the game anymore |
| 21:45.13 | Amarande | however, consider this |
| 21:45.26 | Amarande | the more you take out consumables, the more you have to rely on improving your basic gear to be stronger |
| 21:45.39 | Amarande | improving your basic gear means you have to play -more- seriously, in order to do those progression instances to get the next set of gear |
| 21:45.46 | alestane | Actually, someone said that the phase-out of weapon-consumables was partly to reduce competition with alchemists and other buff-generators. |
| 21:45.47 | Tsurphr | alestane: is "set" in your example a keyword or the name you're giving to the set itself |
| 21:45.53 | Amarande | whereas consumables can be bought from gold, which you can get in scads via dailies |
| 21:45.59 | abyx | or the more you rely on blizzard to make the end game content clearable by retards |
| 21:46.13 | Amarande | casuals had all kinds of money in late BC too, with all the super ezmode SSO dailies |
| 21:46.22 | alestane | There are very few defined keywords in Lua. "set" is a variable name in this case. |
| 21:46.28 | Tsurphr | kk |
| 21:46.37 | Amarande | once you got used to those dailies, you could do them in an hour or two if that |
| 21:46.52 | Amarande | well, assuming the nether residue drop rate wasn't fail that day |
| 21:46.59 | abyx | 2 hours daily is quite a bit of time just for potions, not including the 5-6 hours of raid time |
| 21:47.04 | KarlKFI | the new aoe oracle daily is pretty epic |
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| 21:47.16 | KarlKFI | you aoe like dozens of mobs and they all drop 10s |
| 21:47.36 | KarlKFI | don't get xp, but you can litterally aoe that place endlessly cause they respawn so fast |
| 21:47.51 | abyx | o.o |
| 21:47.58 | KarlKFI | and they give your 3 gems of awesome aoe |
| 21:48.05 | KarlKFI | that have a 1min cd |
| 21:48.12 | abyx | i've been aoe farming pulls of 25 mobs that drop 25silver,grays,greens, and 50% frostweave droprate |
| 21:48.46 | KarlKFI | sure, btu a rogue could aoe these, cause they give you aoe items. |
| 21:49.13 | Amarande | hey, anyone hear about a bug with strand of the ancients? |
| 21:49.27 | NeoTron | KarlKFI: there's one even better that buffs you to some insane levels |
| 21:49.38 | KarlKFI | orly? |
| 21:49.40 | Amarande | someone on trade said that after they lost one, they ended up respawning in Westfall graveyard with the deserter debuff |
| 21:49.40 | NeoTron | rather there are 3 variations |
| 21:49.44 | KarlKFI | i ontl did the first 3 |
| 21:50.00 | NeoTron | one is the 3 gems, 1 turns you into a panther, 1 turns yourself into a beast |
| 21:50.04 | KarlKFI | lulz respawning inw estfall again |
| 21:50.08 | KarlKFI | i love that bug |
| 21:50.09 | NeoTron | the last one is the easiest to pwn with if you can aoe |
| 21:50.10 | Tsurphr | KarlKFI: which daily is that |
| 21:50.15 | NeoTron | which one you get is random |
| 21:50.32 | KarlKFI | eh i dunno what it's called |
| 21:50.38 | KarlKFI | has Gems int he title i think |
| 21:50.42 | KarlKFI | oracle daily |
| 21:50.55 | KarlKFI | in the basin |
| 21:51.15 | Amarande | I presume when horde loses SotA they end up in XR, then |
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| 21:51.57 | KarlKFI | mmm maybe not gems int he title |
| 21:52.16 | Amarande | anyway, the thing about casuals having access to consumables in raids was that they could rely on spending money to improve themselves |
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| 21:52.24 | Amarande | whereas now they have to rely on, well, not being as casual |
| 21:52.55 | Amarande | hmm. something else just came to mind about achievements, too |
| 21:52.58 | KarlKFI | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12761 |
| 21:53.02 | Amarande | are DKs at a disadvantage with the loremaster achievements? |
| 21:53.15 | KarlKFI | yes |
| 21:53.17 | Amarande | it just occurred to me two things |
| 21:53.22 | KarlKFI | and at profs too |
| 21:53.24 | KarlKFI | QQ |
| 21:53.25 | Amarande | one, class quests don't count so they don't get to make this up with that |
| 21:53.27 | KarlKFI | use your main for those |
| 21:53.34 | Amarande | Karl: I was more thinking that they lose things like the T0.5 quest chain |
| 21:53.39 | Amarande | because there's no DK T0.5 gear, is there? |
| 21:53.49 | Amarande | or can you do that one with gear not for your class? |
| 21:53.59 | NightHawkTheSane | no, but there's enough quests without those |
| 21:54.00 | Tsurphr | Mastery of the Crystals? |
| 21:54.00 | alestane | You can't. |
| 21:54.10 | Arrowmaster | i think those are instance quests and instance quests dont count |
| 21:54.16 | Tsurphr | ah yeah just saw the link |
| 21:54.16 | Amarande | that's EK, anyway |
| 21:54.21 | Amarande | Kalimdor seems to be the one with all the issues |
| 21:54.43 | Amarande | apparently, there's all kinds of problems with quests in kalimdor not counting, and not in any logical manner |
| 21:55.08 | NightHawkTheSane | and yet, people still manage to get the achievement |
| 21:56.53 | NeoTron | hmm on Satharion + adds, do you actually enter portals (10-man)? |
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| 21:57.35 | mikma | amarande: dk 0.5 is the gear you get from startquests |
| 21:57.44 | NightHawkTheSane | are you saying "is the encounter designed to?" or "do you even need to?" |
| 21:59.16 | NeoTron | well, either |
| 21:59.21 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: oh, wait, i missed what you were saying |
| 21:59.30 | NeoTron | like do the adds in the portal (not whelps) despawn by themselves? |
| 21:59.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Uh.. i have no idea, but I'd assume you wouldn't bother |
| 21:59.54 | NeoTron | if they are up indefinitely that's a lot more healing but perhaps that is part of the difficulty |
| 22:00.10 | NeoTron | the vodka tanks had like 45k health normally, 32-33k with the 25% health debuff |
| 22:08.49 | Shirik|Ecole | yay, I found a syntax highlighting bug in visual studio :D |
| 22:08.59 | Amarande | mikma: but does the item or items (you have to do it once for each item or some such right?) you take through the t0.5 sidequest have to be from the specific set 'intended' for your class? |
| 22:09.30 | mikma | amarande: reroll a dk and see |
| 22:09.39 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: those quests probably dont count anyway |
| 22:10.13 | abyx | any ideas how i would find print crit rating? |
| 22:10.21 | abyx | looking through paperdollframe is so painful |
| 22:10.40 | mikma | i can dig it for you in 3 minutes |
| 22:10.51 | abyx | do it |
| 22:12.58 | mikma | abyx: GetCritChance() |
| 22:13.08 | abyx | found that, need crit rating |
| 22:13.31 | abyx | and further, i need crit rating from gear, not GetCritChance() * (crit rating per 1% crit) |
| 22:13.55 | mikma | is it displayed in character stats? |
| 22:13.59 | abyx | yes |
| 22:14.03 | abyx | in the tootlip |
| 22:14.03 | abyx | tooltip |
| 22:14.34 | Cralor` | i am getting an error saying "unexpected symbol near '.'" with this line of code: RP_DB.x, RP_DB.y = pf:GetLeft();, pf:GetBottom(); |
| 22:14.36 | Cralor` | why? |
| 22:14.57 | abyx | cralor.. |
| 22:15.00 | mikma | cralor`: RP_DB = {} is missing |
| 22:15.01 | Cralor` | the x and y values are already made at the top of my file inside the RP_DB table |
| 22:15.17 | Cralor` | how could it go missing? |
| 22:15.18 | abyx | you don't need the semi colons either |
| 22:15.22 | Cralor` | ok |
| 22:15.39 | KarlKFI | first semi colon before the comma = bad |
| 22:15.42 | abyx | i had to get out of habit of including semi colons in my lua because they cause more trouble than they're worth |
| 22:15.52 | abyx | even doing stuff like ;; in code will cause an error |
| 22:15.53 | Cralor` | your right |
| 22:16.00 | Cralor` | that fixxed it hah |
| 22:20.28 | abyx | mikma anything? |
| 22:20.53 | mikma | abyx: sure, lots of shit in PaperDollFrame.lua, line 244 |
| 22:21.49 | Cralor` | is the blizzard options "shown" once? (like is OnShow called only once for BlizzOpt?) |
| 22:22.02 | Lunessa | Renturned, I have been. Insufficient postage. |
| 22:22.04 | Cralor` | or every time it is opened? |
| 22:22.53 | Cralor` | anyone know? |
| 22:24.42 | Lunessa | Cralor`: Look at it on wowcompares.com. |
| 22:24.43 | cladhaire | every time its shown |
| 22:24.45 | cladhaire | same as any of frame |
| 22:25.04 | cladhaire | if you're asking if OnShow fires every time the Blizzard Interface Options is shown |
| 22:25.04 | Cralor` | ok |
| 22:25.17 | Cralor` | the answer would be yes.. :) |
| 22:26.19 | mikma | would be interesting if it would not fire |
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| 22:31.39 | `Zypher | quick question |
| 22:31.52 | `Zypher | what is the safe way to target players with a frame? |
| 22:31.55 | Cralor` | i was asking because for my checkbox i have OnShow setchecked function. and onclick i run a function that i created. in the function i check to see if the checkbox is checked via GetChecked().. but it is not working |
| 22:32.21 | KarlKFI | Portfolio is your friend! |
| 22:32.27 | KarlKFI | (shameless plug) |
| 22:32.50 | Cralor` | i know but i kind of just want to get this out of the way before i try it out =) it's not going to help if i dont learn what is wrong hehe |
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| 22:33.14 | Cralor` | its just 1 checkbox =/ |
| 22:33.47 | KarlKFI | which one isn't working |
| 22:33.57 | KarlKFI | the onshow or the onclick? |
| 22:34.11 | Cralor` | i get no errors, and no functionality to the checkbox |
| 22:34.26 | KarlKFI | it clicks tho? |
| 22:34.36 | Cralor` | whats "clicks" ? |
| 22:34.45 | Cralor` | the checkbox checks on and off.. but ntohing happens |
| 22:34.48 | Cralor` | if that helps |
| 22:35.01 | abyx | ugh i can't figure out how to get crit rating crom the paperdollframe |
| 22:35.02 | KarlKFI | thats what i meant |
| 22:35.21 | KarlKFI | pasty your onshow and onclick and the establishment of both |
| 22:35.31 | mikma | abyx: do you know whats the amount you have? |
| 22:35.31 | Cralor` | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103593 |
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| 22:36.36 | KarlKFI | does it always show up unchecked when you opent he window/tab ? |
| 22:36.36 | abyx | mikma hm |
| 22:36.36 | abyx | ? |
| 22:36.45 | Cralor` | Karl: yes |
| 22:37.00 | alestane | Well, yeah, it unchecks itself whenever it's shown. |
| 22:37.01 | mikma | abyx: what did you want again? |
| 22:37.03 | KarlKFI | so your onshow is working |
| 22:37.15 | KarlKFI | and your onclick is silly |
| 22:37.21 | Cralor` | hehe ok |
| 22:37.27 | KarlKFI | remove the self:SetChecked(true) |
| 22:37.37 | abyx | when you mouse over crit chance in the paperdoll frame a tooltip that says "Crit rating ### etc etc"... i need that number |
| 22:37.40 | Cralor` | i had that for testing |
| 22:37.52 | abyx | by reading the tooltip or some other way |
| 22:37.56 | KarlKFI | that would make it checked every time you click the box |
| 22:38.00 | alestane | Gonna say, I think CheckButtons automatically toggle their own Checked status when they get clicked. |
| 22:38.00 | Cralor` | optlock:SetScript('OnClick', RPText_UnLock)? |
| 22:38.05 | KarlKFI | sure |
| 22:38.26 | mikma | abyx: whats the rating you have on your char? |
| 22:38.30 | Cralor` | i have tried that too, i will try once more |
| 22:38.36 | abyx | 327 |
| 22:38.52 | Movix | YES !! |
| 22:38.52 | KarlKFI | however your checkbox will then always be unchecked when you show the frame, because that's what you have set |
| 22:39.13 | KarlKFI | what you prolly want is to have a saved variable |
| 22:39.23 | KarlKFI | and setchecked based ont he saved var onshow |
| 22:39.23 | Cralor` | i know, but OnShow wont be called until i open the options again. |
| 22:39.34 | KarlKFI | so? |
| 22:39.41 | mikma | abyx: what does the GetCritChance() return? |
| 22:39.55 | Cralor` | and the OnClick runs after i uncheck it... so i dont see why it is not working |
| 22:39.55 | abyx | crit chance (talents included), not crit rating |
| 22:39.56 | KarlKFI | are you changing the saved variable elsewhere? |
| 22:40.08 | Cralor` | Karl: saved variable? |
| 22:40.13 | mikma | abyx: what does the GetCritChance() return? |
| 22:40.27 | KarlKFI | cause currently your code HAS no saved avr |
| 22:40.35 | clad|sleep | @api GetCritChance |
| 22:40.38 | Cralor` | well it's just a snippet :D |
| 22:40.41 | clad|sleep | !api GetCritChance |
| 22:40.41 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetCritChance' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCritChance |
| 22:40.45 | clad|sleep | god I suck at using my own bot |
| 22:40.49 | abyx | i need the rating without talents and such included, otherwise i would just GetCritChance()*45.9 |
| 22:40.55 | KarlKFI | yeah. you need a saved variable to save the state of your option |
| 22:41.02 | Cralor` | ok |
| 22:41.49 | KarlKFI | and you need to call your callback/init function after vars load in order to restore that stae when you load the addon |
| 22:41.53 | Cralor` | and then inside my Unlock() function set it as true? |
| 22:41.54 | mikma | abyx: then you need to study more |
| 22:42.02 | abyx | why is that |
| 22:42.13 | KarlKFI | then inside your addon set it to true if checked or false if not checked |
| 22:42.25 | KarlKFI | er, inside Unlock() yes |
| 22:44.31 | mikma | abyx: GetCritChanceFromAgility("player")? |
| 22:44.58 | Cralor` | Karl: i have this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103595 |
| 22:45.15 | Cralor` | line 4, 10, 28 |
| 22:45.21 | Cralor` | are the changes |
| 22:46.45 | abyx | that is also crit chance, and it is only crit chance from agi |
| 22:47.05 | abyx | not the actual "crit rating" from gear |
| 22:47.26 | KarlKFI | try this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103597 |
| 22:47.47 | KarlKFI | then call RPText_Update() sometime after your vars load |
| 22:47.53 | KarlKFI | liek in ADDON_LOADED |
| 22:48.31 | KarlKFI | if self is undefined it'll just use the current RP_DB.unlocked value |
| 22:48.53 | KarlKFI | and the OnClick will define the self |
| 22:49.03 | KarlKFI | and update the current value |
| 22:49.08 | abyx | this is so dumb -_- sigh |
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| 22:51.05 | Cralor` | so like do if RP_DB.unlock == true then blah blah blah ? |
| 22:51.08 | mikma | abyx: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCombatRating |
| 22:51.51 | abyx | ah finally |
| 22:54.36 | KarlKFI | um i put that in |
| 22:54.46 | KarlKFI | if RP_DB.unlock then |
| 22:55.09 | mikma | abyx: yw |
| 22:55.18 | KarlKFI | since yoru setting it to the GetChecked value it should be 1 or nil |
| 22:55.43 | Cralor` | ty |
| 22:55.49 | KarlKFI | unless you do RP_DB.unlocked = self:GetChecked() and true or false |
| 22:56.00 | Cralor` | gtg ty again |
| 23:01.01 | mikma | hes funny |
| 23:03.40 | mikma | also, desperate housewifes = funny |
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| 23:04.45 | Shirik|Ecole | Nice |
| 23:05.06 | Shirik|Ecole | I told you guys a while ago the bank charged me, in error, about $200 in overdraft fees ya? Well they said they reversed them |
| 23:05.20 | Shirik|Ecole | they reimbursed $35 ... |
| 23:05.29 | Shirik|Ecole | time to go yell at them again |
| 23:07.57 | mikma | woo |
| 23:08.14 | mikma | thers propably a reason for it |
| 23:08.40 | Amarande | Fail bank is fail? |
| 23:09.00 | mikma | like, they got a weird interest on people whos money they steal |
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| 23:11.28 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:11.46 | Amarande | at this point, is it currently more cost effective to keep using imbued netherweave for grinding tailoring or to move to frostweave ASAP? |
| 23:12.17 | batrick | i would assume frostweave |
| 23:14.03 | Amarande | batrick: I'm not sure about that |
| 23:14.11 | Amarande | I've heard frostweave drop rates are bad and it's currently expensive |
| 23:14.34 | batrick | http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/7409/santafinalfinalkv4.jpg |
| 23:15.21 | batrick | every fucking part of that picture is win |
| 23:18.56 | NightHawkTheSane | batrick: epic |
| 23:19.55 | mikma | "jesus christ - jesus christ i'm bored" |
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| 23:23.44 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:23.48 | Amarande | I think this silithus quest must have been changed |
| 23:23.58 | Amarande | as far as I can tell, casting stuff on orgrimmar legion guys doesn't get me flagged |
| 23:24.03 | KarlKFI | Oprah - FYI I obtained a patent on giving presents... |
| 23:24.21 | Amarande | which patch changed it so casting spells on friendly PvP flagged NPCs didn't get you flagged? |
| 23:24.49 | Fisker- | that shouldn't be the case |
| 23:27.51 | Amarande | Fisker: so the fact that I'm not getting flagged is a bug? |
| 23:28.09 | Amarande | not that it really matters I guess, seeing how many people actually go to silithus :P |
| 23:28.49 | Amarande | hmm, never seen this one before either: |
| 23:29.04 | NightHawkTheSane | they can turn that off in specific cases. |
| 23:29.13 | Amarande | "The Windreaver and his invading forces appear amidst a tumultuous conflagration in the northwest of Silithus." |
| 23:29.31 | NightHawkTheSane | that's the elemental invasion. it's not new, in the slightest |
| 23:29.33 | Fisker- | http://www.imagesforme.com/out.php/i248782_fjpzz7.jpg <- i saw what they did there |
| 23:29.57 | Fisker- | a rare and generally uninteresting event though |
| 23:29.58 | Fisker- | :P |
| 23:30.04 | Fisker- | only spawns once a week i believe |
| 23:30.05 | Amarande | Night: I quest silithus on every character and never remembered seeing the elemental invasion before, though |
| 23:30.25 | Amarande | lemme guess, gathering twilight tablet fragments right now is going to be especially what we like to call 'fun' :) |
| 23:30.56 | NightHawkTheSane | you fail, then. that's been in the game since.. the AQ patch? |
| 23:31.04 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe earlier |
| 23:32.13 | Fisker- | 1.9 seems right yeah |
| 23:32.24 | Amarande | maybe I've just never been to silithus at the right time |
| 23:32.37 | Fisker- | no not rly |
| 23:32.42 | Fisker- | - World of Warcraft Client Patch 1.4.0 (2005-04-19) |
| 23:32.44 | Lopeppeppy | Silithus, Azshara, and... there's a third place they show up. |
| 23:32.47 | Fisker- | Elemental invasions! |
| 23:32.48 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.48 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.48 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.48 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.48 | Fisker- | :P |
| 23:32.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: well then, much before AQ i guess :) |
| 23:33.14 | mikma | bleeter: btw the nigerian bank -mail there is a nice touch |
| 23:33.20 | Lunessa | They're around a lot. I saw them often in Un'Goro. |
| 23:33.20 | Fisker- | heck that's even before Silithus was itemized and had quests? |
| 23:33.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: ungoro and WS as Fisker- noted :p |
| 23:33.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: yeah, the silithus itemization/questimization was 1.9 |
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| 23:34.24 | Fisker- | http://rapidshare.com/files/169999309/Video1_1080p.wmv.html <-i owned myself btw :( |
| 23:35.03 | Amarande | oddly, I spend a fair amount of time in ungoro and WS on most toons and don't see it as I level them |
| 23:35.15 | Amarande | azshara is forgivable, seeing as no one ever goes there anymore :) |
| 23:36.46 | mikma | lopeppeppy: silithus, aszhara, winterspring |
| 23:37.39 | mikma | fisker-: you failing? is that something new? |
| 23:38.09 | Fisker- | no u |
| 23:38.18 | Fisker- | atleast i completed the mission before i got killed |
| 23:38.33 | mikma | too bad i didnt watch the video |
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| 23:39.13 | NightHawkTheSane | watch a video posted by Fisker- ? I think not |
| 23:39.38 | mikma | ya, thats why i didnt |
| 23:39.47 | mikma | failsker- |
| 23:39.49 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:39.56 | foxlit | You're all so trollist! |
| 23:39.56 | Fisker- | i hate you Mikk |
| 23:40.02 | Amarande | there any elites among this, or just discolored air elementals that seem to otherwise be the same as the normal ones in the area? |
| 23:40.16 | Fisker- | there's a "boss" |
| 23:40.18 | mikma | my point proven. |
| 23:40.25 | Fisker- | when you kill the boss the invasion ends |
| 23:40.41 | Fisker- | there also spawns some slightly harder mobs which have increased elemental drops |
| 23:48.46 | mikma | failsker- failsker- failsker- lol |
| 23:50.52 | Amarande | hmm, I just saw the windreaver walk by |
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| 23:50.59 | Amarande | soloable with a 62 shadowpriest? |
| 23:51.10 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe. Maybe not. |
| 23:51.14 | NightHawkTheSane | try and find out? |
| 23:51.17 | mikma | humm. i say no. |
| 23:51.26 | Lopeppeppy | I had trouble with him as a 60 paladin, because of the lightning and his two buddier. |
| 23:51.27 | NightHawkTheSane | i say yes. |
| 23:51.28 | mikma | <0151> <NightHawkTheSane> try and find out? |
| 23:51.28 | Lopeppeppy | *buddies |
| 23:51.40 | mikma | thats better than no actually |
| 23:52.13 | mikma | the lvl60 rare-elite in epl owned my lvl70 shadowpriest |
| 23:52.34 | mikma | he killed me 3 times, i killed him once. he didnt drop anything. |
| 23:53.05 | NightHawkTheSane | AI: 4, mikma: 1. |
| 23:53.35 | mikma | i can tell you what owned me in the fight, and AI: 3 |
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| 23:54.58 | mikma | combination: 1) long, silencing web every 15 seconds, 2) unlimited amount of spawnable minions that do the work of shadow bolt |
| 23:55.26 | NightHawkTheSane | 4, because when you finally did kill him he didn't drop anything ;) |
| 23:55.41 | mikma | you are in love with 4 |
| 23:55.51 | NightHawkTheSane | no, i'm in love with 6. |
| 23:56.23 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120667/ |
| 23:56.30 | mikma | go rent, now. |
| 23:56.38 | NightHawkTheSane | no, thats okay |
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| 23:58.27 | Amarande | shadowies have definitely gotten a big buff since 3.0 |
| 23:58.33 | Amarande | however, I don't think I can take that guy's whole posse |
| 23:58.39 | Amarande | I can survive aggroing him, but I doubt I can actually -win- |
| 23:58.55 | mikma | simple |
| 23:59.02 | mikma | kill adds, evade boss |
| 23:59.16 | mikma | or do they respawn |
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| 23:59.25 | |pez| | Ok, that's it. I'm wanting a new appartment... |
| 23:59.28 | |pez| | now would be nice. |
| 23:59.29 | mikma | wobwork: moo |
