| 00:00.21 | Amarande | sadly, you get 5-man groups where the dps are so utterly incompetent at staying out of aoe and the like that you -have- to use circle of healing :| |
| 00:00.28 | foxlit | Likewise, I can never be sure whether it's them or me :/ |
| 00:00.37 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah, that's not bad if for 70-80, but 60-70 was bad once BC was out for a while and the instance rate dropped off |
| 00:00.38 | Amarande | is there a such thing as a good PuG? |
| 00:00.45 | foxlit | There were a few, yes. |
| 00:00.52 | foxlit | Mostly with druids, for some reason. |
| 00:00.55 | ScytheBlade1 | http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/ft/2008/ft081116.gif |
| 00:00.59 | foxlit | Paladins also aren't bad. |
| 00:00.59 | Amarande | Thrae: indeed, the instance rate dropped off like a cliff |
| 00:01.13 | Amarande | by the time I hit 70 on my warlock on Turalyon, basically no one was doing normal instances at all |
| 00:01.23 | Amarande | and heroic folks wanted epics for quick runs |
| 00:01.29 | Thrae | Feral Druids and a lot of Paladins rocked in BC because you have to be dedicated to play that at all |
| 00:01.33 | foxlit | It's entirely possible that I'm sticking my nose in instances my gear doesn't agree with, but that's difficult to tell :/ |
| 00:01.40 | Amarande | and at the time, that was 2.3 on Stormstrike battlegroup, meaning I couldn't reasonably get honor gear either |
| 00:02.01 | Amarande | basically, I had to either drop 350+ JC or 375 mining to get tailoring so I could get frozen shadoweave to bootstrap myself, or transfer servers |
| 00:02.04 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: meh, most heroics weren't too hard to just step in to with halfway decent gear |
| 00:02.04 | Amarande | I transferred servers |
| 00:02.18 | Thrae | Now Paladins are better, but Feral Druids are really more complex. |
| 00:02.23 | foxlit | It's also that their difficulty is unpredictable. |
| 00:02.27 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, unless you're sitting at like under 20k hp or something |
| 00:02.46 | Amarande | foxlit: too many heroic people (at least they did in BC) also wanted mainly rapid runs for badges to fill in gear slots for raiding |
| 00:02.49 | foxlit | It's difficult for me to tell whether I'm dying because I'm not mitigating enough damage on UP trash packs, or because my healer is an idiot. |
| 00:03.05 | Amarande | ie., the instance was more for 'business' purposes than really to enjoy the instance |
| 00:03.18 | foxlit | It's a heroic. You don't enjoy heroics :) |
| 00:03.21 | Thrae | Amarande: You need casuals |
| 00:03.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i enjoy heroics.. |
| 00:03.38 | foxlit | You butcher everything in them for loot and rep. |
| 00:03.40 | Thrae | My Mom enjoys slow-paced instances |
| 00:03.50 | foxlit | That's NOT what she said. |
| 00:04.06 | NightHawkTheSane | (last night) |
| 00:04.06 | Amarande | Thrae: yes, I need to find the intersection on the great wow venn diagram of 'casual players', 'players who enjoy doing instances', and 'players who play times when I'm actually on WoW rather than mostly weekend evenings' |
| 00:04.08 | Thrae | I'm more of a pragmatist, but I can slow down if it helps others |
| 00:04.31 | Thrae | Amarande: I'd get you in touch with my sister if I didn't think you'd rape her |
| 00:04.34 | Kraps | serious question: whats wrong with using a dagger to tank? |
| 00:04.34 | foxlit | Generally, as fast as you can handle, but no faster. |
| 00:04.45 | Amarande | 2.3 on Stormstrike battlegroup, BTW meant that Horde couldn't get honor at any reasonable rate at all |
| 00:04.52 | foxlit | Kraps: nothing, fundamentally. They tend to be itemized for different stats, though |
| 00:04.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: most daggers don't have mitigation stats, but other than that, nothing |
| 00:05.18 | foxlit | To be fair, I'm hard-pressed to find a weapon with mitigation stats at the moment. |
| 00:05.20 | Amarande | because alliance didn't want to play av due to being utterly schooled when they did, and so, our main source of honor was unusable |
| 00:05.21 | Thrae | Speaking of pragmatism, I also did a lot of PvP back in the day to level up... |
| 00:05.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i know a warrior who used to tank with a 1.3s speed caster dagger, because it was the fastest weapon he had |
| 00:05.28 | foxlit | I see lots of Halls of Stone heroics in my future. |
| 00:05.29 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 00:05.31 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 00:05.46 | Cairenn | back from the store, ahead of the storm \o/ |
| 00:05.50 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: ugh, there's a trinket there i want >< |
| 00:05.51 | Amarande | You know the queues that you guys had around WotLK release? That's what the Stormstrike AV queue was like for Horde in 2.3 |
| 00:05.51 | Cralor` | hey Cairenn how is mmoui coming along ? |
| 00:06.03 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: thats what i'm talking about, HS spam |
| 00:06.03 | Cairenn | fine, as always :) |
| 00:06.13 | Thrae | An AB / EoTS is good inbetween soloing sessions |
| 00:06.20 | Cralor` | Cairenn: ETA? |
| 00:06.22 | Cairenn | Cralor`: same stuff, just new branding |
| 00:06.29 | Cairenn | Cralor`: eta on what? |
| 00:06.33 | Kraps | and rage gen |
| 00:06.34 | Cralor` | it's finish :D |
| 00:06.40 | Cairenn | nothing to "finish" |
| 00:06.48 | Cralor` | is it ever going to get moved? |
| 00:06.55 | Cralor` | or staying the same? |
| 00:06.58 | Cairenn | you mean wowi to wow.mmoui? |
| 00:07.03 | Cralor` | yes'm |
| 00:07.04 | Thrae | Cralor`: Are you talking about wowinterface.com vs xxx.mmoui.com? |
| 00:07.09 | Cairenn | ahhhh, okay, now I gotcha |
| 00:07.10 | Amarande | I sense a downside to this tabard thing, btw |
| 00:07.12 | Cairenn | yeah, eventually |
| 00:07.19 | Cralor` | ok :D |
| 00:07.23 | NightHawkTheSane | mmoui needs an xxx site :D |
| 00:07.25 | Cairenn | not something we're big time stressing over or anything |
| 00:07.30 | Cairenn | NightHawkTheSane: ;) |
| 00:07.31 | Thrae | I don't see a reason not to keep wowinterface.com anyway |
| 00:07.38 | Cairenn | we will be |
| 00:07.41 | Kraps | Amarande: can you elaborate? |
| 00:08.05 | Thrae | Cralor`: WoWUI has been part of MMOUI for as long as I can remember, they just had their own top-level domain. |
| 00:08.06 | Amarande | Kraps: because you can get any rep in any instance, there will quickly become some instances that people actually are willing to run (and can find groups for) and ones that people refuse to run |
| 00:08.07 | Cairenn | just some point somewhere do the road it'll get re-branded as wow.mmoui |
| 00:08.20 | Cralor` | Thrae: i know that |
| 00:08.24 | Cairenn | Thrae: no, there's a difference |
| 00:08.27 | Amarande | which will be extremely irritating for those who need loot/quests from instances in the latter category |
| 00:08.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: that was the case before |
| 00:08.33 | Cairenn | we were MMOI, we're going to MMOUI |
| 00:08.43 | Amarande | Night: it was somewhat mitigated by the fact that people had to go to particular instances for particular rep |
| 00:08.51 | Amarande | Imagine if BC had those tabards |
| 00:08.52 | Thrae | Cairenn: Ah, right |
| 00:08.53 | Cairenn | because certain people decided to buy some domain names out from under us |
| 00:08.54 | Cralor` | i see you finished mmoui.com |
| 00:09.02 | Amarande | No one would go to SH or SL at all |
| 00:09.08 | Thrae | Which was what I was about to mention next |
| 00:09.09 | Amarande | everyone would run TK instances and SV exclusively |
| 00:09.18 | Cairenn | ie we couldn't get warinterface.com |
| 00:09.20 | Cairenn | etc |
| 00:09.38 | Thrae | Hey, I still like war.mmoui.com for my main WAR SVN even if I need to bug Dolby a lot ;) |
| 00:09.41 | Amarande | meh, WoW > Warhammer :) |
| 00:09.58 | Amarande | First reason why WoW is better than Warhammer: |
| 00:09.59 | Cairenn | but we already owned the mmoui.com domain, so we're just making all of our sites sub-domains of it over time, so it can't be done to us again |
| 00:10.02 | Amarande | WoW is not published by EA |
| 00:10.09 | Amarande | This is sufficient reason in and of itself to pass this judgment about the two games |
| 00:10.27 | Thrae | Amarande: There are plenty of things to like out of both, and EA has been almost totally hands-off except giving Mythic money. So stop trolling. |
| 00:10.42 | Cairenn | patience folks :p |
| 00:10.46 | Thrae | Cairenn: Makes sense. |
| 00:10.48 | ScytheBlade1 | trollin' trollin' trollin' |
| 00:11.02 | Amarande | Thrae: It's more that I have a long-standing dislike for EA, and tend to distrust them almost completely when it comes to their treatment of properties |
| 00:11.04 | Tekkub | FIX IT |
| 00:11.09 | Kraps | but if they bring back the gather rep quests, it needs to be like this: 1 or 2 out of the way areas with with 100% drop rates |
| 00:11.10 | Tekkub | patience about what? |
| 00:11.24 | Cairenn | each others' opinions :p |
| 00:11.30 | Thrae | Amarande: True, but Vivendi is French. |
| 00:11.53 | Tekkub | you opinion is the stupid opinion of a stupid opinionated opinioner |
| 00:12.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: it's the difference between "i wont run X because i dont need that rep" and "I wont run X because I don't like that instance" it's a complete wash in that regard. |
| 00:12.15 | Thrae | I value everyone's opinion. Your opinion is valued at "stupid". |
| 00:12.18 | Cairenn | Tekkub: yeah, well, you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny :p |
| 00:12.18 | NightHawkTheSane | the difference is that you aren't screwed from getting rep because of it |
| 00:12.53 | Thrae | Cairenn: That would explain his love of furry suits... |
| 00:12.58 | Tekkub | I picked my http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41248 all by myself thanks |
| 00:12.59 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 00:13.06 | Amarande | Night: My point was that the fact that everyone had to go to pretty much every instance if they wanted rep with every faction in BC made it easier to get groups for most instances |
| 00:13.07 | Tekkub | and yes, I really am wearing one, IRL |
| 00:13.10 | Pneumatus | now people will just pick the highest (rep|basges)/run/hr instances |
| 00:13.17 | Pneumatus | *badges |
| 00:13.18 | Tekkub | it's hibernatin weather out :) |
| 00:13.49 | Thrae | I am almost afraid to meet Tekkub in real life since I am very hairy. |
| 00:13.56 | Amarande | Whereas now, if someone needs an instance group for something other than rep or badges, i.e., they need to go to a -specific instance- (for a quest, or for specific gear), they're likely out of luck if it's not one of the popular rep grinders |
| 00:14.14 | Tekkub | you missed your chance anyway Thrae |
| 00:14.25 | Cairenn | don't fricking talk to me about hibernating weather: http://www.theweathernetwork.com/index.php?product=alerts®ion=wwcaon0012&ref=wxeyealerts |
| 00:14.28 | Corrodias | hairy people ROCK |
| 00:14.37 | Amarande | as the owner of a warlock who got a dreadsteed pre-3.0, I know all too well what it's like to get groups for unpopular instances |
| 00:14.41 | foxlit | Amarande: that's counterbalanced by people who don't care about which instance they go to |
| 00:14.47 | Corrodias | that's a lot of capital letters, Cairenn |
| 00:14.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: except that your assumption is flawed. there were plenty of instances that people just -stopped- running because they no longer needed the rep there. It became impossible to pug them. |
| 00:14.54 | Cairenn | Corrodias: yeah |
| 00:14.56 | Thrae | My room is 10c hotter then the rest of the house due to all the electronic equipment in it. Which reminds me, I need to turn down the heat. |
| 00:15.03 | Corrodias | Amarande: how did the process change in 3.0? |
| 00:15.21 | Amarande | Night: I always assumed it was more the fact that people decided that, in particular, LC and Thrallmar rep wasn't worth the masochism that Shadow Labs, Sethekk Halls, and Shattered Halls are |
| 00:15.33 | Amarande | Corrodias: in 3.0, warlocks can buy the dreadsteed from trainer at 61 |
| 00:15.38 | Thrae | Tekkub: I couldn't catch that subway. Really. |
| 00:15.41 | Corrodias | all repeated dungeon runs are masochism |
| 00:15.57 | Thrae | Amarande: Right, Epic Flight Form too, etc. |
| 00:15.58 | Corrodias | those were no worse than the others :/ |
| 00:16.06 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 00:16.06 | NightHawkTheSane | none of the dungeons were particularly difficult or masochistic |
| 00:16.17 | Amarande | Especially since with (was it 2.3 or 2.4?) you no longer needed Revered rep to access heroics |
| 00:16.21 | foxlit | Hey, I liked SL |
| 00:16.30 | Amarande | which made 12,000 less useful rep each in LC or Thrallmar for many characters |
| 00:16.54 | Thrae | Hell, don't even talk about trying to get groups for heroics...what about a group for GNOMERGAN? |
| 00:17.18 | Amarande | Thrae: that's because Gnomeregan actually is for masochists :) |
| 00:17.36 | Thrae | That must be why I've run it about 20 times at least over the course of my playing. |
| 00:17.41 | Amarande | there's really only three reasonable reasons to go to gnomeregan, and you can do them all at 70+ |
| 00:17.56 | Kraps | that whole place is bad vibs, dunno why |
| 00:18.03 | Kraps | *vibes |
| 00:18.11 | Thrae | I've also solo'd part of it at least 10 times for drops |
| 00:18.13 | Amarande | achievement points, obtaining a DELTA access card for your engineer, and using said DELTA access card with said engineer |
| 00:18.23 | Corrodias | there's the water-breathing staff, too~ |
| 00:18.50 | AnduinLothar | dotn forget quests for gnomer rep or the quest achievments |
| 00:19.19 | Thrae | Next expansion they should just finally let the Gnomes move back in to Gnomeregan |
| 00:19.39 | Thrae | I think a bunch of Level 80+ can handle Level 10 Elites. |
| 00:19.42 | Kraps | i ran a friend through it last week. i felt dirty |
| 00:19.54 | cladhaire | i love gnomeregan =/ |
| 00:19.59 | Amarande | Anduin: I included those under 'achievement points' |
| 00:20.00 | cladhaire | apparently I'm the only one |
| 00:20.16 | Kraps | that place in an infested shithole |
| 00:20.22 | cladhaire | truth |
| 00:20.25 | cladhaire | but fun to run :P |
| 00:20.26 | Thrae | "Come visit our re-captured city of Gnomeregan! Come for the Medics, stay for the Lepers." |
| 00:20.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: nah, too many bad memories, post traumatic stress disorder. |
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| 00:21.35 | Tekkub | clad|sleep, I like gnomer, because nothing can beat killing gnomes |
| 00:23.05 | End | I don't like the sound of that |
| 00:23.10 | Kraps | i have no problem killing male gnomes, females are cute though |
| 00:23.44 | NightHawkTheSane | well, t hey DO make a cute squeal when they die |
| 00:24.41 | Kraps | ... |
| 00:24.44 | Corrodias | cute... but not sexy cute |
| 00:25.54 | Kraps | i agree |
| 00:26.44 | Tekkub | flung gnomes are cuter |
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| 00:29.37 | End | great, there trying to make me an officer :X |
| 00:30.28 | sacarasc | congratulations, End! you'll soon have responsibility |
| 00:30.37 | sacarasc | for little or no real reward! |
| 00:31.06 | foxlit | With great responsibility comes great potential for abuse! |
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| 00:31.59 | End | well |
| 00:32.14 | End | they say my responsibilities won't change :P |
| 00:32.21 | kelten | Anyone have experience with the wowhead client? |
| 00:32.23 | End | I manage a lot of stuff already for the guild |
| 00:32.35 | Cralor` | kelten: why? |
| 00:32.48 | Amarande | being an officer in my case gives me a private chat channel where I can discuss with proper decorum among my fellow officers how my guild is /fail without saying it in front of general membership |
| 00:32.52 | kelten | Cralor`, I'm wondering where it stores it's information |
| 00:33.08 | Cralor` | savedvariables? |
| 00:33.22 | kelten | thats what I thought |
| 00:33.26 | kelten | but apparently not |
| 00:33.46 | Cralor` | addon folder? |
| 00:33.53 | Tem | Amarande, <3 /o |
| 00:34.00 | kelten | negatory |
| 00:34.05 | Amarande | hah |
| 00:34.09 | Amarande | I'm reading my realm's realm forum |
| 00:34.15 | Tem | I dispise admitting that I'm wrong in /g |
| 00:34.24 | Tem | but /o is no problem |
| 00:34.27 | Amarande | and members of one of the major horde guilds in this thread are complaining because other guildies of them beat them to trolling first |
| 00:34.46 | Amarande | fail server is fail |
| 00:35.10 | foxlit | It's surprising how little actually useful stuff (from a raid-leading perspective) actually goes on in /o |
| 00:35.14 | foxlit | It's mostly /o I'm afk! |
| 00:35.27 | foxlit | For when you clearly don't want to do it in /ra |
| 00:35.33 | Codayus_ | Hmmm, depends on the guild...and raid size. |
| 00:35.44 | Tem | I like /o wtf is Vexus doing? |
| 00:35.56 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.01 | foxlit | Typically bother with class channels |
| 00:36.14 | foxlit | or, well, role channels |
| 00:36.18 | Amarande | Codayus, how many people would you say one needs to gather up to have a reasonable guild who can do 5 and 10 mans? |
| 00:36.33 | foxlit | tanks+healers get their whining read; whine at dps in /ra |
| 00:36.39 | foxlit | 15. |
| 00:36.52 | foxlit | Oh, wait, I'm not Codayus |
| 00:36.57 | Codayus_ | Amarande: Somewhere between 10 and 200. *shrug* I really can't be much more specific than that because it depends on how hardcore you are. |
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| 00:39.04 | Kraps | once i have http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44057 , does it pay to get http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44058 ? |
| 00:39.29 | foxlit | If you're dpsing, hell yes. |
| 00:39.37 | foxlit | If you're tanking, hell no. |
| 00:39.50 | Amarande | wow, the major raid guilds on some servers are already giving up on 10 man |
| 00:39.51 | Codayus_ | Look at it this way: If there's an 80% chance a member will want to raid on a given night, and you need 10 random people, then with 12 people you've got < 1% chance you can't find 10 people. |
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| 00:40.32 | Amarande | How tight is group balance requirement for Naxx10? |
| 00:40.32 | Codayus_ | Of course, you don't need 10 random people, you need X tanks, Y healers, Z DPS. But then people have alts, and can respec, but might not have good gear... |
| 00:40.37 | Codayus_ | Low. |
| 00:40.42 | Amarande | and how forgiving is it on gear? |
| 00:40.46 | Codayus_ | Very. |
| 00:40.52 | Amarande | ah, not what I was gonna think :) |
| 00:41.03 | foxlit | why aren't we seeing naxx pugs yet? |
| 00:41.07 | End | we are |
| 00:41.08 | Kraps | foxlit: i'm technically doing both, dps for leveling, tanking for instances |
| 00:41.08 | AnduinLothar | the 10 mans are way easy |
| 00:41.09 | Codayus_ | Basically, you know Kara? Well, Naxx 10 is easier. |
| 00:41.09 | End | or I am |
| 00:41.14 | Amarande | I was going to presume not very, simply because I know Patchwerk was, is, and ever shall be a gear check, and that Thaddius has an ugly enrage |
| 00:41.14 | Codayus_ | And Naxx pugs are really common. |
| 00:41.16 | foxlit | Kraps: then get both |
| 00:41.20 | End | I've cleared naxx in a pug twice now :P |
| 00:41.30 | foxlit | Pretending to do dps in tank gear is just as silly as pretending to tank in dps gear |
| 00:41.39 | Codayus_ | Right, it's a gear check, but it's not a HARD gear check. |
| 00:41.42 | Kraps | noob here: kara wasnt easy |
| 00:41.52 | Amarande | Ahh. I'm thinking of old-style Naxx where it was a horrendous gear check. :) |
| 00:41.54 | Corrodias | i don't think it was "easy" either |
| 00:41.55 | End | naxx is easier than kara |
| 00:41.56 | foxlit | Depends on which kara we're talking about |
| 00:42.02 | End | but kara had to be retuned |
| 00:42.02 | Kraps | 10 man |
| 00:42.06 | foxlit | 2.0 Kara was sufficiently hard. |
| 00:42.11 | End | yeah |
| 00:42.12 | End | also |
| 00:42.14 | End | fuck ushers |
| 00:42.16 | foxlit | 2.4 Kara was a walk-in joke. |
| 00:42.18 | End | yay for invis pots |
| 00:42.21 | End | I'm not kidding :P |
| 00:42.35 | Kraps | even post 3.0 |
| 00:42.36 | Corrodias | i'll never forgive the Prince |
| 00:42.36 | Codayus_ | Well, Blizz has said they thought Kara was a bit too hard for an entry level raid. |
| 00:42.40 | Kraps | sorry |
| 00:42.46 | Kraps | i agree |
| 00:42.46 | Amarande | and is 10 man considered a viable endgame progression or simply to be a prep step for 25 man? |
| 00:43.01 | Corrodias | Amarande: it's hard to tell, with the options they kept adding |
| 00:43.03 | Codayus_ | By which the presumably meant 2.4 Kara. Which is fair enough; plenty of guilds never finished it at that difficulty level. |
| 00:43.06 | Amarande | like how 5-man normals are meant to be a prep step for 5-man heroics |
| 00:43.21 | Codayus_ | Amarande: Yes, both. In theory. Obviously without any progression raids of ANY size in game, we don't know. |
| 00:43.56 | Amarande | It's probably a good thing for the more trollish guilds that they're focusing on 25-mans, too |
| 00:44.18 | Codayus_ | But in theory you can spend your entire life in 10 mans progressing through to Arthas, *or* ping pong back and forth, *or* just do 25 mans. |
| 00:44.20 | Amarande | A 10-man guild OTOH will need its established good friendships and camaraderie to remain stable once they clear Icecrown 10 |
| 00:44.45 | Amarande | otherwise, people will start leaving for 25-man guilds, since the only challenge at that point would be Icecrown 25 |
| 00:45.10 | kd3 | whee. queue of 125 |
| 00:45.14 | kd3 | not too bad for primetime on sunday |
| 00:45.18 | Amarande | kd3: which realm? |
| 00:45.18 | Codayus_ | *and* I'd be very skeptical of guilds "focusing on 25 mans" since, you know, there's no progression raids right now. The hardcore guilds will do whatever it takes to advance. If that means farming 10 mans for some trinket, they'll do that. |
| 00:45.24 | kd3 | medivh |
| 00:45.53 | Amarande | kd3: I actually considered transferring there once :| |
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| 00:48.17 | Amarande | kd3: mainly because I figured that the highest pop servers might be the place to have an easier time getting groups for content |
| 00:48.50 | kd3 | as long as you keep up with the leveling wave, sure |
| 00:49.04 | Amarande | kd3: and if you have alt-itis or otherwise level slowly? |
| 00:49.14 | kd3 | good luck |
| 00:49.20 | Amarande | my highest level is my warlock, and I'm finding it difficult to have fun leveling her at this point |
| 00:49.37 | Amarande | you mean -low- pop servers are actually best for folks who don't go all out to power to 80? |
| 00:50.03 | Codayus_ | Not sure pop matters as much as finding a like minded guild. |
| 00:51.59 | Amarande | I suppose I figure higher pop means higher likelihood of finding like minded members |
| 00:52.33 | Amarande | especially since a lot of people are likely on a top pop server to want things like after-11pm raids on weekends (which would fit me better than earlier evenings) |
| 00:52.40 | Amarande | after all, after-11pm means not having to sit in the queue :) |
| 00:53.12 | Cralor` | hey guys. i have a fontstring that i have created that will show the current runic power and change color based on its value. problem is, i cant get it to even show! http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103343 |
| 00:54.04 | Kraps | theres a quest item thats dropping 100%. isn't that against the TOS? |
| 00:54.10 | Amarande | Cralor: you using a secure frame? |
| 00:54.29 | Cralor` | secure frame? what does that have to do with font strings? |
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| 00:55.13 | Thrae | Cralor`: You do pp:Show() but not pf:Show(). Perhaps the default is hidden. |
| 00:55.26 | Cralor` | hah |
| 00:55.27 | Iriel | You have pp:Hide() when the RP is 0 but never show it again |
| 00:55.45 | Thrae | That too |
| 00:56.43 | Cralor` | it's always easy things i have problems with. i guess experience only makes it better. |
| 00:57.59 | Thrae | You just got to wrap your head around the logic. Even if a frame's default is Shown or Hidden, sometimes it's just just to call :Show() or :Hide() at least once so you're 100% sure. Defaults can also change. |
| 00:58.11 | Iriel | It's often more about know where to look for problems than it is getting it perfect the first time |
| 00:58.45 | Thrae | Once you start doing stuff like that, the verbosity will get you into the habit of making these things explicit. |
| 00:58.59 | Thrae | In other words, paranoia is good. |
| 00:59.34 | kd3 | ^ |
| 00:59.58 | Amarande | I suppose the first thing that occurred to me was that RP normally doesn't change much at all outside of combat |
| 01:00.06 | Amarande | and therefore, that the secureness of the frame might be important |
| 01:01.23 | Thrae | Amarande: I don't think they care if your frame just shows information. |
| 01:03.09 | cbreak | securenes of frames only matters if you have secure frames |
| 01:18.36 | WobWork | zonq |
| 01:18.37 | kd3 | oh wow. we hit the instance limit |
| 01:18.41 | WobWork | so effing cold |
| 01:18.51 | WobWork | kd3: number of instances in an hour? |
| 01:18.58 | kd3 | serverwide |
| 01:19.05 | kd3 | "No more instances can be spawned. Please try later." |
| 01:19.06 | WobWork | whut? |
| 01:19.08 | WobWork | woah |
| 01:19.10 | kd3 | something to that effect |
| 01:19.13 | WobWork | crazy |
| 01:19.22 | Cralor` | that is sick! :D |
| 01:19.42 | Thunder_Child | "i am what you would call a drug user. i have tried alot of entheogens and ethnobotanicals, alcohol, some benzodiazepines, some weak opioids, and that's it. i never touched pot though" |
| 01:19.56 | kd3 | benzodiazepines! |
| 01:20.00 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: It's a good thing they have standards! |
| 01:20.11 | WobWork | There's a line, and they -don't- cross it! |
| 01:20.12 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, so it seems.... |
| 01:20.38 | WobWork | 'ethnobotanicals'? Is that fancy schmancy for "Forn herbs"? |
| 01:28.00 | Corrodias | ebonic botanicals |
| 01:28.58 | WobWork | wouldn't that be "Bo'tan'cals"? |
| 01:29.03 | cbreak | I think your server is overcrowded |
| 01:32.04 | Amarande | kd3: fail server is fail |
| 01:32.49 | ccox | No, that's my low pop server - Balnazzar = fail |
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| 01:33.25 | Amarande | ccox: it's a low pop pvp server, why did you even roll there? |
| 01:33.40 | sacarasc | my server is pretty low pop, can always get on, prices are high though |
| 01:33.44 | ccox | because it was recommended back when I first started playing, and was a medium pop at one time |
| 01:34.06 | ccox | (that, and it's the server where my girlfriend had her toons) |
| 01:34.48 | Amarande | sac: prices are high everywhere now |
| 01:35.40 | sacarasc | we also have fairly poor raid progression, before the big nerf, we had 2 guilds in swp, and neither of them got very far |
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| 01:37.39 | Amarande | sac: I used to think of poor raid progression as an attractive thing about a server, oddly enough |
| 01:38.30 | Amarande | because I presumed it meant that there were more opportunities for the freshly leveled |
| 01:39.05 | Amarande | as opposed to some servers which are progressed enough that you finish leveling and realize there's a gulf the size of Ginnungagap between you and the raid guilds |
| 01:40.41 | sacarasc | i was lucky and found a decent guild fairly quickly after hitting 70... |
| 01:41.32 | cbreak | I am in the same guild I was back when I was level 58 |
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| 01:43.46 | Amarande | sacarasc: I had to transfer ... but found a pretty nice guild a few days after doing so |
| 01:44.11 | Amarande | unfortunately, it's since slipped into the sludge we like to call fail, and this is when I realize that Quel'dorei is a crappy server in general |
| 01:44.26 | sacarasc | :( |
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| 01:58.20 | Kraps | what makes a server bad or good? |
| 01:58.40 | Kraps | not counting alliance/horde ratio |
| 01:58.41 | Iriel | whether it steals from small children, or hurts defenseless animals |
| 01:58.44 | cbreak | I like my server |
| 01:58.48 | cbreak | because my friends are on it |
| 01:58.54 | Kraps | haha Iriel |
| 01:59.15 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, i thought that was blizzard |
| 02:01.56 | Kraps | why dont fist weaps show up out of combat? |
| 02:02.09 | cogwheel | rawr |
| 02:02.42 | cogwheel | RAWR! |
| 02:02.52 | cogwheel | ~seen gryphen |
| 02:02.53 | purl | gryphen <n=gryphon@71.216.187.10> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowhead, 5d 5h 33m 52s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
| 02:08.04 | Kraps | having 2 fist weaps is awesome, but its not |
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| 02:24.50 | Kraps | all the bigwigs are showing up in wintergarde |
| 02:25.13 | Amarande | Kraps: for me, the most important thing about a server is an active instance population so I can get a group that doesn't make me want to kick kittens when I need to do an instance |
| 02:25.16 | Amarande | that, and that it be a PvE server |
| 02:26.23 | Kraps | how would you determine an "active instance population "? |
| 02:27.04 | Cralor` | fairly easy to get a group :D |
| 02:27.09 | Cralor` | gn |
| 02:29.08 | bnovc | how would i emulate a /who query? wowwiki.com says how but then in a note it says not to do anything listed above it http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetWhoToUI |
| 02:31.43 | End | hmm |
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| 02:33.02 | End | tanks act surprised when you poopoo their threat generation |
| 02:33.55 | Amarande | Kraps: yeah, what Cralor says |
| 02:34.15 | Amarande | a population that allows you to reasonably assemble a decent group for a given instance |
| 02:34.38 | Amarande | when you start your WoW for the evening at 7pm and it's midnight and you're just zoning in, that's bad :) |
| 02:34.57 | Kraps | that would be a populated sever no? |
| 02:35.06 | Amarande | not necessarily |
| 02:35.19 | Shirik | !api SendChatMessage |
| 02:35.19 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'SendChatMessage' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendChatMessage |
| 02:35.25 | Amarande | populated servers will often have large guilds, large enough that good players will rarely if ever need to go out of guild for groups |
| 02:35.35 | Amarande | also large enough to have few or no openings for most classes |
| 02:36.54 | Tekkub | anyone else notice the gap between caster leather and me leather when leveling? http://is.gd/9F8q vs http://is.gd/9F8t |
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| 02:49.21 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38108 or http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38533 for tanking |
| 02:51.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: in the 1-40 range, there are 3 leather wearing classes. among those, 5 are melee specs, 4 are caster specs. The -most common- spec when leveling is melee/physical damage for those two hybrid classes, so it's a fairly reasonable, if obnoxious gap |
| 02:51.27 | Tekkub | nono, wrath |
| 02:52.01 | Tekkub | 2 caster specs, 3 melee |
| 02:52.36 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* |
| 02:52.59 | NightHawkTheSane | i still maintain that among druids, melee specs are more common than caster, and rogues are all melee. |
| 02:53.49 | NightHawkTheSane | also, quest gear is typically oriented most towards solo leveling |
| 02:54.15 | Amarande | Night: and shamans? |
| 02:54.25 | Amarande | hmm. this realm forum's guild list must be -really- ancient |
| 02:54.30 | WobWork | Kraps: next time use http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=38108;38533 |
| 02:54.33 | NightHawkTheSane | shaman wear mail. |
| 02:54.46 | Kraps | mk |
| 02:54.46 | NightHawkTheSane | they may CHOOSE to wear leather, but thats not how blizzard designs the game |
| 02:54.56 | Amarande | Night: I thought we were speaking of 1-40 |
| 02:55.11 | WobWork | Kraps: and I'd say the blue |
| 02:55.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i suggest reading. |
| 02:55.37 | WobWork | cause haste doesn't really help compared to the extra 176 armour maybe |
| 02:55.52 | WobWork | (and +5 str) |
| 02:55.54 | Amarande | Night: [21:51] <NightHawkTheSane> Tekkub: in the 1-40 range, there are ... |
| 02:56.00 | NightHawkTheSane | read better. |
| 02:56.29 | Kraps | WobWork: the compare thing wont tell me what stats are better for tanking, thats why i asked |
| 02:56.44 | Amarande | Kraps: that's when you go do research on EJ or the like |
| 02:56.46 | WobWork | well for tanking, you want to increase avoidance or mitigation |
| 02:57.03 | WobWork | cause you'd hopefully have other aggro retaining talents |
| 02:57.08 | Amarande | also, any tanking info that refers to crushing blows is obsolete |
| 02:57.10 | WobWork | that don't rely on weapon speed |
| 02:57.14 | Amarande | unless you are tanking instances that have mobs 4+ levels above you |
| 02:57.43 | WobWork | Kraps: what class? |
| 02:58.07 | Kraps | Amarande: math is not my strong suite and EJ makes me want to shoot myself |
| 02:58.15 | Kraps | wob warrior |
| 02:58.40 | Kraps | which is why i asked about haste |
| 02:58.54 | Coren{de} | I'd go for higher ac... but I'm biased as druid ;) |
| 02:59.05 | Kraps | ac? |
| 02:59.06 | Amarande | I thought the general rule was that haste was only to be worried about when you are hitcapped |
| 02:59.14 | Amarande | * < hit |
| 02:59.32 | Kraps | 540 ya? |
| 02:59.44 | Tem | defense is the best tank stat now for plate tanks |
| 02:59.51 | Tem | do not stop getting defense at 540 |
| 03:00.09 | Kraps | why not? |
| 03:00.12 | Tem | I'd give the proof, but you said you don't like math |
| 03:00.18 | Kraps | heh |
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| 03:00.51 | kd3 | defensive stats are subject to diminishing returns now. ac's just not as much of a priority once you hit 540 |
| 03:00.52 | Coren{de} | is defense hit by the same DR as dodge? |
| 03:00.58 | Kraps | 540 stops crits right? |
| 03:01.15 | kd3 | s/ac/defense/ |
| 03:01.24 | Tem | NO NO NO NO NO NO, kd3 |
| 03:01.29 | Kraps | whats ac? |
| 03:01.29 | Tem | you have been misinformed |
| 03:01.33 | kd3 | blah |
| 03:01.38 | Thrae | Yeah, more then 540 Armor is totally overrated |
| 03:01.47 | Amarande | Thrae: Defense, not Armor |
| 03:01.55 | Thrae | I liked the first version |
| 03:02.04 | Amarande | btw, what's the amount of Defense Rating needed to cap this time? |
| 03:02.13 | Coren{de} | tanking in tissue should be enough for everyone! ;) |
| 03:02.17 | Kraps | 540 armor? O_O |
| 03:02.21 | Kraps | wut? |
| 03:02.27 | Tem | 540 IS NOT A CAP |
| 03:02.38 | WobWork | It's a bonnet |
| 03:02.39 | Amarande | ok, s/cap/achieve uncrittability/ |
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| 03:02.41 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom's not a cap. |
| 03:02.55 | Tem | because of the avoidance DR formula, Defense is the best avoidance stat |
| 03:03.00 | Tem | and it gets better the more of it you have |
| 03:03.07 | NightHawkTheSane | does defense not have DR? |
| 03:03.14 | Tem | (where dodge and parry become less and less effective as you have more) |
| 03:03.17 | Tem | it does |
| 03:03.18 | Amarande | Coren: indeed, the best tanks are naked with gold pieces taped all over them |
| 03:03.20 | Tem | (have DR) |
| 03:03.23 | Tem | BUT |
| 03:03.28 | Amarande | after all, isn't that a very good way to attract the attention of enemies? :) |
| 03:03.31 | Tem | DR is per avoidance stat |
| 03:03.32 | WobWork | damnit NightHawkTheSane, don't do non insulting "your mom"s, it's too hard to turn them back at you =( |
| 03:03.35 | Thrae | Tem: Including Feral Tanks, who have no Block or Parry? |
| 03:03.35 | Coren{de} | Amarande, pure win ;) |
| 03:03.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: obviously not :p |
| 03:03.47 | Tem | Thrae, not including ferals |
| 03:03.57 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: those are the most amusing kind :D |
| 03:04.03 | Tem | it's a decent stat for ferals, but agi and dodge are always better |
| 03:04.12 | WobWork | It's no fun though =( |
| 03:04.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: hadn't considered that, good to know, though |
| 03:04.25 | Thrae | Yeah, especially now that you can get Rage off of Dodge too |
| 03:04.38 | Tem | Because the DR is per stat, the DR from defense is spread between dodge/miss/parry |
| 03:04.55 | Kraps | tankpoint implies that def, parry, dodge have DR |
| 03:05.08 | WobWork | ah, so because it's spread out, the defense rating is worth more comparitively |
| 03:05.13 | Tem | exactly |
| 03:05.20 | WobWork | makes sense |
| 03:05.25 | Thrae | Tem: Is Resilience still more favoured over Defense for Ferals? |
| 03:05.26 | Coren{de} | with the up and coming armor nerf... I try to stock as many variants of stat distribution as possible right now... it's annoying that druids again have to wait a patch after the release to know where they are :/ |
| 03:05.41 | Tem | Thrae, no |
| 03:05.47 | Tem | take a look at SotF |
| 03:05.55 | Tem | it's now 6% crit reduction |
| 03:06.06 | Kraps | GC implied that he wants to change the whole def stat |
| 03:06.07 | Tem | druids are uncritable from talents only |
| 03:06.16 | WobWork | tem: crazy |
| 03:06.23 | Tem | I would support that, Kraps |
| 03:06.35 | Thrae | Tem: Wow, I didn't know you only needed 6% for PvE |
| 03:06.41 | WobWork | was that "druids are already uncrittable from talents only"? |
| 03:06.42 | Thrae | Well, +6% |
| 03:06.42 | Coren{de} | 5.6% |
| 03:06.43 | Tem | you only need 5.6% |
| 03:06.53 | Tem | I really want a way to increase my DK's mitigation |
| 03:06.58 | Tem | (excluding armor, obviously) |
| 03:07.10 | Kraps | but it would change a whole mechanic, prolly wont happen until next expac |
| 03:07.11 | Tem | Warriors/Pallies get to increase theirs with block |
| 03:07.11 | WobWork | A shield =( |
| 03:07.13 | Coren{de} | 5% = equal level, +0.2% per level, up to 73 mobs = 5.6% |
| 03:07.24 | Coren{de} | 83* |
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| 03:07.51 | Thrae | Mobs sure don't crit a lot. |
| 03:07.53 | Kraps | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/11/25/ghostcrawler-on-long-term-defense-changes/ |
| 03:08.10 | Thrae | They must be karmically mis-aligned. |
| 03:08.41 | Thrae | Omg Arthas stack more Agi! |
| 03:08.45 | Kraps | 1 It might eventually prove a problem that defense functions both as a tanking statistic and prevents you from fighting mobs that are a higher level than your character. |
| 03:08.47 | Kraps | 2 Balance might be easier to achieve if defense provided mitigation and not avoidance. |
| 03:08.57 | Kraps | I DONT GET THIS SH!T |
| 03:09.09 | Kraps | why is it a problem? |
| 03:09.32 | Amarande | hmm, Coilfang should never, ever, EVER be listed as a recommended server for anyone |
| 03:09.39 | Coren{de} | wtf, warriors, get out of the druid turf... :D |
| 03:14.00 | Kraps | starting grizzly hills |
| 03:14.13 | Kraps | 2 bars from 77 :D |
| 03:14.59 | cbreak | grizly hills at 76!? |
| 03:15.19 | NightHawkTheSane | I did grizzly hills at 80. :p |
| 03:15.34 | cbreak | I was halfway through Zul'Drak by then... |
| 03:16.08 | cbreak | hmm... right |
| 03:16.17 | cbreak | maybe you did both starter zones |
| 03:16.35 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a lot of variability in what you can do. :) |
| 03:16.37 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=34 http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=35 http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=33 fo' sho' |
| 03:17.57 | Kraps | this is a testament to how crazy awesome wrath is |
| 03:19.41 | Kraps | and only 2 gear slots have greens |
| 03:20.08 | Kraps | not counting rings/trinkets |
| 03:20.36 | Kraps | too many trinkets |
| 03:21.30 | Kraps | zomg more crap |
| 03:21.52 | Kraps | first its animal crap, now my own crap |
| 03:23.09 | Amarande | yeah, there are too many damn trinkets |
| 03:26.18 | Kraps | never gonna give you up http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28109 |
| 03:26.56 | cbreak | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37527 |
| 03:30.58 | Kraps | i love grizzly hills |
| 03:31.15 | Kraps | they got the frikken bald eagle! |
| 03:31.33 | Tem | I'm not a fan of the hills |
| 03:31.43 | Tem | not enough humanoids to fuel my ghoul army |
| 03:31.57 | Kraps | heh |
| 03:31.59 | Amarande | I'm still looking at potential servers to transfer horde toons to |
| 03:32.16 | Amarande | it seems like most of the good horde are either on pvp servers or clumped together on locked realms like zul'jin though :| |
| 03:32.45 | Amarande | ZJ seems to be becoming about as aggressive as Tichondrius with the 'this server is not for you' stuff, too heh |
| 03:35.35 | Kraps | either this warlock is very good, or the alliance DOES suck |
| 03:35.49 | cbreak | alliance does suck. |
| 03:35.54 | Kraps | :( |
| 03:36.27 | Amarande | what's with high pop servers being so aggressively xenophobic, anyway? :| |
| 03:38.35 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLS35kyYlOU |
| 03:38.56 | kd3 | because the queue's bad enough as is |
| 03:39.06 | kd3 | people transferring in just make it worse |
| 03:39.19 | Amarande | kd3: which leaves people wanting to get off a fail server where? :| |
| 03:39.24 | Amarande | especially if you're horde |
| 03:39.36 | kd3 | a server not quite so crowded? |
| 03:40.01 | Amarande | kd3: yeah, I'm trying to find one that has a decent horde population and isn't fail |
| 03:40.17 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: see, the problem is Amarande insists on seeing the bad in everything. :)( |
| 03:41.00 | Amarande | Night: actually, the first thing I noticed on looking at wowjutsu and the Zul'jin realm forum is that ZJ might have been a good place to move PvE horde characters |
| 03:41.07 | Amarande | then I looked more closely at the forums and they're all like GO AWAY |
| 03:41.13 | Shirik | Iriel: ping |
| 03:41.27 | Codayus_ | 1) So? 2) Maybe you need to rethink your assumptions. |
| 03:42.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus_: /RE/Think? pfft. you assume there was thinking in the first place :D |
| 03:42.10 | Shirik | anyone here use aftercast? |
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| 03:42.34 | Amarande | Medivh is apparently locked, too |
| 03:43.14 | kd3 | locked means "the server is currently under a queue" |
| 03:43.28 | Amarande | for horde, is it worth taking the time to learn to survive on a gankrealm? |
| 03:43.40 | Amarande | (and how bad is the ganking currently on the pvp realms?) |
| 03:44.10 | NightHawkTheSane | it's never worth transferring to a pvp realm. but i -may- be biased |
| 03:44.30 | Amarande | Night: well, that leaves attempting to find a realm that meets all of the following |
| 03:44.46 | Amarande | * is pve, * has a decent horde population with good instance opportunities, * doesn't generally fail, * -isn't locked- |
| 03:44.55 | Kraps | when does ganking get "better"? |
| 03:45.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: when you transfer to a pve realm |
| 03:45.08 | Iriel | Shirik: ? |
| 03:45.11 | Codayus_ | There's little ganking. And if your interested in raiding, especially horde side, you really will need to go to a pvp realm. |
| 03:45.14 | Kraps | lol |
| 03:45.31 | Shirik | (A) does aftercast still work? It appears the TOC is 20000 so it's way back there :) (B) are there any limitations to it, or can I use any slash command I want? |
| 03:45.32 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, i belive pong is the correct response |
| 03:45.43 | Amarande | Codayus: low pop or high pop pvp realms a better bet? |
| 03:45.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus_: eh, I've done fairly well on a pve realm |
| 03:46.03 | Codayus_ | Ack, misphrased. |
| 03:46.05 | Amarande | Night: as horde? |
| 03:46.09 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 03:46.15 | Amarande | is the realm in question currently locked? |
| 03:46.18 | NightHawkTheSane | (no you cant come to my server) |
| 03:46.21 | Codayus_ | If you're really serious about raiding, you'll need to think about going to a pvp realm. |
| 03:46.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i have no idea, honestly |
| 03:46.31 | Iriel | Shirik: Not very well, 2.0 broke it horribly, there's hope for it in 3.0 but i've been a bit more busy than normal of late |
| 03:46.56 | Amarande | Codayus: I'm leery of PvP realms mainly because of the ganking |
| 03:46.57 | Shirik | hm ok |
| 03:47.03 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 03:47.03 | NightHawkTheSane | i know we got hit with some pretty massive queues for a while, but they seem to have cleared up |
| 03:47.06 | bleeter | MentalPower|ZZzz: http://www.tuaw.com/2008/11/28/iphone-hackers-achieve-a-milestone-linux-boot you know it makes you wet |
| 03:47.17 | Amarande | you know, the not wanting to spend ages at 70 to farm S2 to level up with just so I have enough resilience to not be a punching bag for kids who got beat up at recess thing. :) |
| 03:47.26 | Codayus_ | For various historical reasons, a lot of the biggest/bestest horde raid guilds are on pvp realms. When server transfers were unavailable, or had a cooldown, or had a pve -> pvp restriction it was important. |
| 03:47.30 | Codayus_ | Much less so now. |
| 03:47.31 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: so, whats next, an iphone running android? |
| 03:47.34 | kd3 | so... roll pve? |
| 03:47.45 | Amarande | kd3: I'm currently on a pve server |
| 03:47.51 | Amarande | looking to get off of said realm though, because it fails hard |
| 03:48.15 | Coren{de} | bestest? as in best, bester, bestest? 8) |
| 03:48.18 | Amarande | and trying to figure out what the best destination is so I don't end up on another failtrain server |
| 03:48.25 | Kraps | ok, who thought it was a good idea to put the alli and horde camps within shouting distance of each other? |
| 03:48.34 | Codayus_ | Further "good instance opportunities" is rediculously broad. Almost any realm has plenty of people to find a 5 man. Time zone might matter, but not much else. |
| 03:48.35 | *** join/#wowuidev pompy (n=IceChat7@c-71-58-3-50.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 03:48.37 | NightHawkTheSane | you should just suck it up, reroll alliance and quit your bitching, because really it seems like thats what you want to do anyway |
| 03:48.52 | Nechckn_V2 | rofl |
| 03:48.55 | Codayus_ | "generall fail" is an even worse criteria. :-( |
| 03:49.05 | Amarande | Night: I tried alliance, I got to 40 with exalted darnassus and a kitty mount and got bored |
| 03:49.15 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: I'm kinda eveilly hoping for CP/M on an iPhone ;) |
| 03:49.24 | bleeter | *evilly |
| 03:49.27 | Codayus_ | So your basically saying it can't be alliance, pvp, full, empty, in between, or have rude people on the forums. |
| 03:49.30 | bleeter | erm.. yeah |
| 03:49.34 | Codayus_ | Have you consider playing Warhammer? |
| 03:49.51 | NightHawkTheSane | im pretty sure warhammer is pvp ;) |
| 03:50.07 | Amarande | Codayus: well, the non-Alliance thing is because I would like to consider transferring at least one of my existing characters to said new domicile |
| 03:50.11 | Coren{de} | the only thing I perceived different at Horde side vs. Alliance is that Horde tends to stick to small, tight groups... so, if you find a group that fits you, fine, otherwise, the pickup part seems to be a looot less |
| 03:50.19 | Amarande | as said characters are Horde, and we can't buy a paid faction change ... |
| 03:50.20 | Kraps | "can't... have rude people on the forums" |
| 03:50.26 | Kraps | HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! |
| 03:50.42 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.52 | Amarande | Kraps: well, when large numbers of people from prominent guilds on a server spend their time being rude on the forums, it's a general indication that that server probably rides the fail boat |
| 03:51.13 | NightHawkTheSane | s/from prominent guilds// |
| 03:51.21 | NightHawkTheSane | people are rude, assholes, and idiots. period. :P |
| 03:51.29 | Codayus_ | Fine, so you want a server with at least a handful of horde. Even if you limit it to pve, that's only about a zillion servers. |
| 03:51.35 | Codayus_ | Amarande: No. Actually, it dosn't. |
| 03:51.37 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I mean, here's how that works out |
| 03:51.51 | ZorbaTHut | 1) form a guild 2) spend a lot of time being rude on the forums 3) people get to know you 4) you are a prominent guild |
| 03:51.58 | Kraps | because thats the exception rather than the rule in WOW, right Amarande? |
| 03:52.08 | Amarande | Zorba: isn't it better to 2) spend a lot of time being diplomatic and civil on the forums? |
| 03:52.21 | kd3 | civil? wow forums? |
| 03:52.23 | kd3 | ahahahahaah! |
| 03:52.27 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, oh sure |
| 03:52.32 | Kraps | kd3: thats what i said |
| 03:52.34 | ZorbaTHut | but I'm explaining how it generally works out |
| 03:52.38 | ZorbaTHut | not how it would work in an ideal world :) |
| 03:52.43 | Codayus_ | A small but non-zero percentage of players enjoy stirring up forum drama, and you will usually find them evenly spread among all sorts of guilds. So basically, you've constructed pointless and arbitrary rules which mean you can't join ANY server. Grats to you. |
| 03:53.01 | Codayus_ | (Maybe a RP server would suit...) |
| 03:53.19 | Coren{de} | they have the best drama flavour there, the RPians :> |
| 03:53.24 | Kraps | my rp is better than yours!!! |
| 03:53.38 | Amarande | heh, most of the drama I've seen regarding RP servers tends to be folks from other servers bashing RP servers |
| 03:53.56 | Amarande | usually comments like how "with the new northrend leveling, Netherstorm will be a place for folks from Moon Guard to cyber" |
| 03:54.16 | Amarande | For some reason, it's always Moon Guard that gets bashed. :| |
| 03:54.29 | Codayus_ | On my server, the top Alliance guild doesn't even post on the forums (at least under guilded characters) the top horde guild does, the next horde guild dosn't... |
| 03:54.34 | Amarande | All I really know about Moon Guard is that most of my teammates in battlegrounds tend to be from there |
| 03:55.15 | Amarande | I guess I was attempting to use the forums as a general gauge of whether or not I would be happy on a given server |
| 03:55.39 | Coren{de} | at the very beginning I wanted to start on a rp and my friends were giving in... the experiment lasted less than an hour and we deleted the chars and started over on a "regular" realm :D |
| 03:56.09 | Kraps | why? |
| 03:56.17 | Codayus_ | Amarande: I think that's a *terrible* idea, which could hardly be better chosen to lead you astray. |
| 03:56.27 | Codayus_ | I mean, it's a *realm* forum. |
| 03:56.31 | Amarande | Codayus: Yeah, it seems more like that now. |
| 03:56.45 | Amarande | It seemed like a logical idea before that the forums would somehow resemble the realm environment. :P |
| 03:56.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus_: but it gives him a great excuse to whine about it :) |
| 03:56.51 | Codayus_ | Why not use the number of vowels in the server name? It's probably more accurate. |
| 03:56.54 | Kraps | Amarande: gount ever read guildwatch on wowinsider? |
| 03:57.03 | Kraps | *dont |
| 03:57.09 | Amarande | Kraps: no, I'd never even heard of it before |
| 03:57.12 | NightHawkTheSane | protip: servers with odd numbers of vowels have more fun |
| 03:57.28 | NightHawkTheSane | also, if the numerological sum of a server |
| 03:57.31 | Codayus_ | In my experience, people who enjoy WoW hang out in game. People who enjoy forum drama hang out in the forums. Very few people enjoy both. |
| 03:57.38 | Kraps | let me introduce you |
| 03:57.42 | NightHawkTheSane | server's name is a prime number, it's total fail. |
| 03:57.43 | Kraps | http://www.wowinsider.com/category/guildwatch/ |
| 03:57.46 | Kraps | lol |
| 03:57.53 | Amarande | when it comes to guild performance, of late I tend to look at wowjutsu |
| 03:58.35 | Codayus_ | That's...interesting if your a dedicated raider, becausde it tells you a little bit about the raid scene. |
| 03:58.36 | Coren{de} | Night, what about servers who end up at 666 numerically? :D |
| 03:58.47 | Codayus_ | Except I thought you said earier you were more into instances, so... |
| 03:59.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: wow, that just proves to me that wowinsider really IS full of tools, hacks, and morons |
| 03:59.31 | Kraps | guildwatch makes you sad that you're playing the same game as... them |
| 03:59.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Coren{de}: it means you touch yourself at night. *shrug* do i look like some crazy numerology expert? :P |
| 04:00.20 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: hmm? |
| 04:00.41 | Amarande | Codayus: I suppose my logic was that servers that have good raiders tend to have good players in general |
| 04:00.59 | Coren{de} | Night, I don't know how you look like, is there some NightHawkTheSaneTheInformationSiteThingy? :p |
| 04:01.09 | Codayus_ | That's not logic, that's wishful thinking. :-( |
| 04:01.09 | Amarande | while servers where even the best raiders are like 'lolwut you mean we have to stand in the green beem?' tend to generally imply a lack of skill overall :) |
| 04:01.18 | Codayus_ | And it depends on what you mean by "good". |
| 04:01.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Coren{de}: no.. i hope not.. >.> |
| 04:01.52 | Codayus_ | Nice? Competent? Know what the optimum spell rotation is for a fire mage? Have lots of free time and like to hang around Shatt chatting with friends? |
| 04:02.00 | Coren{de} | Amarande, good by what means? determined? greedy? generous? helpful? strong? harsh? |
| 04:02.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: here's server populations in a nutshell: 10% good players, 80% retards, and 40% assholes. |
| 04:02.23 | NightHawkTheSane | .. actually, make that 60% assholes. |
| 04:02.44 | Codayus_ | My serer has...let's see...1 top 20 US guild, 2 more in the top 100, 5 more in the top 1000, my guild just barely in the top 10k... |
| 04:02.57 | Coren{de} | I don't think it's that many assholes actually... the item-fixation just brings out the worst out of people |
| 04:03.11 | Codayus_ | Which tells you that there's...hmm...probably less than 100 people on the server who really have the time and inclination to devote themselves to raiding and... |
| 04:03.15 | Codayus_ | ...nope, that's about it. |
| 04:03.40 | Cide- | you listed 8 guilds who are in the top 1000 guilds |
| 04:03.55 | Cide- | how does that equate to <100 people? |
| 04:04.14 | Amarande | yeah, time and inclination is an issue for sure |
| 04:04.15 | Codayus_ | Hah, fine. I picked "top 100" as a cutoff. Top 1000 is better. |
| 04:04.22 | Amarande | I know I have the inclination, but I definitely don't have the time |
| 04:04.31 | Amarande | not without wholesale destruction of other interests of mine to focus on wow :) |
| 04:04.53 | Codayus_ | Same analysis though. There's *great* players in my guild without the time or interest to get beyond Vashj (pre 3.0). And lots of very nice people (although I might be biased...) |
| 04:04.54 | Amarande | at least, when it comes to devoting myself at the level needed to head towards the top, at any rate |
| 04:05.13 | Amarande | yeah, Quel'dorei has had lots of nice people |
| 04:05.26 | Amarande | but when it takes you four hours to get through heroic slave pens, you have to wonder about the instance capabilities of people |
| 04:06.04 | Codayus_ | *shrug* You can find nice people who can burn through heroic slave pens on any server. And every method you've listed so far to find a server doesn't sound to me like it's going to improve your odds of finding them... |
| 04:06.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i tend to look in the guild recruitment forum, honestly |
| 04:07.05 | NightHawkTheSane | if i server transfer, its to join a specific guild. |
| 04:07.47 | *** join/#wowuidev quoin (n=quoin@114-30-106-47.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 04:08.29 | Kraps | i love me some half hour northrend instance runs |
| 04:08.47 | Kraps | the way it should be |
| 04:08.47 | NightHawkTheSane | half hour heroics, imo. |
| 04:09.02 | Codayus_ | Yeah |
| 04:09.16 | Kraps | gear check |
| 04:09.26 | Amarande | yeah, the way mechanar was meant to be |
| 04:09.47 | Cide- | was meant to be? |
| 04:09.55 | Cide- | the way mechanar was* |
| 04:09.55 | Amarande | Cide: seemed though like every time I went to H-Mech, we'd burn through the first 7/8 or so of the instance without any real difficulty and then get chewed out by Sepethrea and Pathaleon |
| 04:09.57 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, not really. in a few days of getting enough people to 80, we were hitting up heroics and doing them fairly fast. |
| 04:10.10 | Cide- | the end boss wasn't easy |
| 04:10.22 | Cide- | but if your group was good it was still a 30 min instance |
| 04:10.23 | Amarande | actually, Sepethrea is harder than Pathaleon if I had to pick one or the other |
| 04:10.33 | Cide- | only when the elementals were bugged |
| 04:10.33 | Amarande | many groups would just skip Sep and go straight to Path |
| 04:10.53 | Amarande | Sep's elementals seem to hit a lot harder, and they can't be CC'd like Path's can |
| 04:11.06 | Cide- | ya, but previously they didn't change targets on heroic |
| 04:11.09 | Cide- | that got fixed |
| 04:11.57 | Amarande | neither is as irritating as that one boss in sethekk who summons the elementals, though |
| 04:12.05 | Cide- | that boss is fun though |
| 04:12.07 | Cide- | very crazy |
| 04:12.14 | Kraps | heres the obligatory "kill this animal that everyone is killing to get 8 things that have a terribad drop rate" |
| 04:12.19 | Kraps | grrr |
| 04:12.29 | Cide- | skip |
| 04:12.37 | Amarande | Kraps: c'mon, you mean you don't have warm fuzzy memories of STV? |
| 04:12.49 | Kraps | heh |
| 04:18.22 | Shirik | Okay I need to create a certificate for myself |
| 04:18.30 | Shirik | should I create a CSR or is there an easier way? |
| 04:20.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Codex| (i=Codex_@CPE001346f71097-CM00159a3f1452.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 04:20.51 | Iriel | I usually just create a local CA and do it that way |
| 04:20.59 | Iriel | though I think there are tools for a simple self signed cert |
| 04:21.23 | Shirik | I do have to have a CA |
| 04:21.44 | Shirik | objective is to prove identity to my server before accessing a restricted folder |
| 04:22.16 | kd3 | just self-sign a cert? |
| 04:22.32 | Iriel | openssl ca is your friend then |
| 04:22.38 | Iriel | there's decent online docs on setting it up |
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| 04:23.33 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 04:23.39 | Shirik | QUIET YOU |
| 04:23.39 | Kraps | its internets |
| 04:23.42 | Shirik | you aren't allowed to talk |
| 04:23.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik, welcome to the insanity :) |
| 04:24.13 | Shirik | btw ScytheBlade1, remember the config file I showed you? |
| 04:24.15 | Shirik | for named? |
| 04:24.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Only vaugely |
| 04:24.28 | Shirik | You could have pointed out the big fat {notify: no}; in there |
| 04:24.30 | Shirik | >.> |
| 04:24.35 | Kraps | l2use your gvmnt created memes correctly |
| 04:24.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I never saw that |
| 04:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Only your zone file |
| 04:24.41 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:24.43 | Shirik | ok then you are forgiven |
| 04:24.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Otherwise I would have |
| 04:24.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Second, I feel the need to quote from ca(1)'s man page |
| 04:25.06 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.08 | Codayus_ | Hmmm, I think a self signed cert would still work for that goal, no? Although I didn't look into it too much, since when I solved that it was for something client facing, and clients can go skittish when they get weird dialogue boxes... |
| 04:25.11 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.45 | Shirik | I'm not really worried about that :) |
| 04:25.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah me either. I do it anyway too. |
| 04:26.11 | Kraps | someone on my server just got http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=1463 |
| 04:26.14 | Codayus_ | But I don't quite see why you'd want to run your own CA for a single cert versus a self-signed cert... |
| 04:26.35 | Codayus_ | Heh, someone on my server got that last week. |
| 04:27.02 | Shirik | Codayus_: Multiple people will have certs |
| 04:27.03 | Shirik | not just me |
| 04:27.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Codayus_: if you want actually secured communications from point A to point B, you need a client cert, which implies a two-way trust. Easiest way to do that is by adding a third party to the mix, namely a CA |
| 04:27.38 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12227 lmao |
| 04:27.42 | Codayus_ | Ah, in that case, nevermind. |
| 04:27.50 | Codex| | anyone else continually getting dc'd on login? |
| 04:28.49 | Kraps | i'm exalted with valiance expedition! |
| 04:29.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, right |
| 04:29.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I missed a line from the man page I wanted to quote |
| 04:29.22 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 04:29.35 | Shirik | sounds like everything else I've used so far |
| 04:29.54 | Shirik | however, gentoowiki is recommending gnutils? |
| 04:30.05 | Codayus_ | ScytheBlade1: Umm...that's...kinda true but doesn't have much to with my point. From a security point of view, it's the same; either way users must trust you (or your CA). |
| 04:30.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Codayus_: and when the server needs to trust the client? |
| 04:30.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: never used it |
| 04:30.41 | Hjalte | Codex|: Is it an error #132? |
| 04:30.48 | Shirik | It seems a lot easier to use |
| 04:30.49 | Shirik | http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:8w_HXeQR1usJ:da.gentoo-wiki.com/Certificate_Authority+openssl+ca+gentoo&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us |
| 04:31.15 | Shirik | ah but this is for self-signed |
| 04:31.16 | Shirik | nm |
| 04:32.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: keep in mind that at the root of every CA is a self signed cert |
| 04:32.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, top-level CA |
| 04:32.34 | Shirik | o |
| 04:32.36 | Shirik | I guess that makes sense |
| 04:32.49 | Shirik | Why do people have to be so mean |
| 04:32.54 | Shirik | if people weren't mean this wouldn't be so complicated |
| 04:32.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:34.18 | Kraps | Valiance Expedition having a QM anytime soon? |
| 04:34.18 | ScytheBlade1 | The basic premise is simple: you have a cert(/private key) that you trust. You use that cert's private key to sign a secondary cert request, thus creating a public cert that can be used and verified against your cert |
| 04:34.50 | Shirik | that's the basics of it |
| 04:34.54 | Shirik | there's a lot more :) |
| 04:35.35 | ScytheBlade1 | As far as what you type to make it all work, yes. When it comes down to using what you created, it's not too much more complex |
| 04:38.28 | Shirik | "Does the certificate belong to an authority?" What exactly is that asking? Like I understand that I'm supposed to answer yes to it |
| 04:38.46 | Shirik | What distinguishes a cert made by an authority from one that is not? |
| 04:38.50 | Codayus_ | ScytheBlade1: Erm, I think your missing the point. A self signed cert isn't any more (or less) secure than one signed by your own CA... |
| 04:38.50 | Shirik | i.e., what's different about it? |
| 04:38.54 | ScytheBlade1 | gnutls? |
| 04:38.58 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:39.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Codayus_: disagree in the long run considering things like revocation, updates, and user transparency |
| 04:39.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: no idea then :) |
| 04:39.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I went the long and painful way for mine. |
| 04:40.11 | Shirik | haha |
| 04:40.26 | Codayus_ | ScytheBlade1: ...which was my original point; it's an admin issue, and only really worthwhile if using multiple certs. |
| 04:40.41 | Iriel | as soon as you want to verify more than one cert (over time, or over multiple entities) self signed fails |
| 04:40.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 04:40.55 | Shirik | (23:26:51) (@Shirik) Codayus_: Multiple people will have certs |
| 04:41.10 | Iriel | unless you dont mind keeping a record of every user in every app |
| 04:41.20 | Kraps | 77! |
| 04:41.34 | ScytheBlade1 | .. and revoking/whitelisting/rebuilding your app every time a cert changes |
| 04:41.34 | Iriel | CA's allow you to use a somewhat decentralized trust model |
| 04:41.36 | Codayus_ | And my IMMEDIATE response when hearing you'd need multiple certs was to say that running your own CA was btter. |
| 04:41.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I missed that line |
| 04:42.10 | Codayus_ | ...heh. |
| 04:42.16 | Thunder_Child | heh, there is an armory iphone/touch app |
| 04:43.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, for anyone who plays alliance (or has an alliance character that has done the grizzly hills...): http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12027#comments:id=445671 |
| 04:43.04 | Shirik | my understanding is the CA is responsible for saying "Yes, I recognize that cert as created by me" no? |
| 04:43.24 | Shirik | That way, I can just verify that someone has a cert that is signed by this CA and I can trust that cert |
| 04:43.39 | Shirik | (barring revocations, etc.) |
| 04:43.57 | Shirik | a self-signed cert doesn't have that luxury |
| 04:44.00 | ScytheBlade1 | More or less |
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| 04:47.42 | Codayus_ | The problem with a private cert is that users will need to figure out if the CA is trustworthy or not. That's not really a better problem than with a self-signed cert, where they need to figure out if you are trustworthy... |
| 04:49.01 | Codayus_ | (Obvious exceptions are in a corporate environment, where can can sometimes do fun tricks like pre-installing the root cert for your CA on all the workstations, so everything works transparently.) |
| 04:50.12 | Shirik | Well I'm confident that nobody will be trying to spoof our CA while we set it up |
| 04:50.25 | Shirik | In fact, I'm fairly confident that the measures I'm going through are far more than is necessary |
| 04:50.30 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 04:50.32 | Shirik | As all I'm trying to do is block out script kiddies |
| 04:50.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I have to ask |
| 04:50.38 | Codayus_ | Good practice in any case. |
| 04:50.45 | Shirik | once they encounter the first roadblock, they'll be like "ok pz, I find another site" |
| 04:50.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Are you doing this for your guild or for your personal/school stuff? |
| 04:50.52 | Shirik | it's kinda a mix |
| 04:51.04 | Shirik | I'm doing it for the guild, but it's because I have a lot of other things on the server and this is a dangerous area to be in |
| 04:51.07 | batrick | anyone else using Wow + wine on linux always crash when they open their mailbox upon login, only when there is unread mail? |
| 04:51.12 | Shirik | if you happen to break things in there, you might be able to get into other stuff |
| 04:51.20 | Shirik | so I just want to block out anyone that might get int here |
| 04:52.01 | Shirik | (It's happened before, about 2 years ago, so I'm taking measures so it doesn't happen again) |
| 04:52.02 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 04:52.46 | Shirik | There's stuff that's under an NDA for Crayola on my server :) |
| 04:52.58 | Shirik | for example |
| 04:54.08 | Kraps | stuns are subject to DR? |
| 04:54.14 | Corrodias | they are |
| 04:54.29 | Codayus_ | Might want to double check your password policies, account lockout settings, etc. if you are worried about script kiddies. |
| 04:54.41 | Codayus_ | Be embarassing to fall to a dictionary attack. :-p |
| 04:54.43 | Shirik | no |
| 04:54.46 | Shirik | last time it was due to eqdkp |
| 04:54.52 | Corrodias | i think all stuns go on the same DR timer, except maybe ones that proc off of abilities with a % chance to stun |
| 04:54.58 | Shirik | A vulnerability in eqdkp that allowed arbitrary code to run |
| 04:54.59 | Codayus_ | Ick |
| 04:55.04 | Kraps | except when you're getting stunned |
| 04:55.26 | Shirik | and since that code runs as the apache user, you now have access to anything apache has access to |
| 04:55.29 | Shirik | which is a lot on my server |
| 04:55.49 | Codayus_ | ~fail php |
| 04:55.50 | purl | php, you Fail! |
| 04:56.01 | Shirik | no, the creators of eqdkp fail |
| 04:56.09 | Shirik | and why the hell I'm still using eqdkp is a good question |
| 04:56.21 | Shirik | it is possibly one of the worst popular php programs I've seen written |
| 04:56.33 | Shirik | I especially like the fact that the database it uses isn't even 1NF |
| 04:56.48 | Codayus_ | Heh, eqdkp has more than enough fail to go around, true. |
| 04:57.03 | Codayus_ | But it shouldn't be able to fail hard enough to compromise a server. |
| 04:57.15 | Shirik | well it did two years ago :) |
| 04:57.25 | Shirik | I've taken precautions since then, eqdkp now runs in safe mode |
| 04:57.41 | Shirik | there is actually only one section of my site that DOESN'T run in safe mode, and that is precisely the section I want to lock off with certs :) |
| 04:58.26 | Codayus_ | I can't recall the last time I heard of a guild website getting compromised that didn't involve phpbb or eqdkp... |
| 04:59.38 | Shirik | this is an odd configure script.... |
| 04:59.50 | Shirik | checking for /dev/urandom... yes |
| 04:59.50 | Shirik | checking for /dev/urandom... (cached) yes |
| 04:59.58 | Shirik | ... was it really necessary to check twice? |
| 05:00.19 | End | someone fails |
| 05:00.59 | Fisker- | why so srs? |
| 05:01.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It didn't, it only checked once ;) |
| 05:01.05 | Codayus_ | Well, presumably the cached means it didn't REALL check the second time. |
| 05:01.09 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:01.14 | Shirik | but it was coded to check twice! |
| 05:02.29 | kd3 | a few different things got called in the autotools that generated the ./configure script? |
| 05:03.09 | Shirik | in all honesty I don't know how to make a configure script so I really shouldn't be talking |
| 05:03.27 | kd3 | `man autoconf` |
| 05:03.38 | Shirik | well yes |
| 05:03.40 | Shirik | but I don't need to |
| 05:03.48 | Shirik | so until that time that I need to :) |
| 05:04.57 | kmcguire | Anyone know a quick way to check if someone is online before I send a addon whisper. So that the user does not get that player is not online message? |
| 05:05.03 | kd3 | ouch. I laughed, but still... ouch. fark: [Scary] Hiker goes missing in Goblin Valley. Elf, dwarf, and cleric promised an Enchanted Sword of Fire +3 if they find her |
| 05:05.03 | Codayus_ | Heh, the GNU build system is... ...full of way more fail than eqdkp if you ask me. Trying to understand how configure scripts are made will destroy your mind. |
| 05:06.46 | kd3 | this is true |
| 05:11.21 | Shirik | but you have to admit it works |
| 05:11.44 | Shirik | the fact that you can distribute the same source on radically different systems even though they go beyond ANSI C is a testament to its power |
| 05:11.47 | Shirik | even if it's esoteric |
| 05:12.17 | Codayus_ | Esoteric doesn't even *begin* to describe it. But yeah, it works well. Which is more than I can say for eqdkp...hmmm. |
| 05:12.27 | Codayus_ | It's still fugly. :-( |
| 05:12.59 | kmcguire | It is a little far from standard. Different make variants. Custom scripts. |
| 05:13.02 | ScytheBlade1 | meh, we have other options now |
| 05:13.05 | ScytheBlade1 | A lot of other options |
| 05:13.11 | kmcguire | Autoconf, Automake, blah, blah. |
| 05:13.42 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Like ant? |
| 05:13.56 | kmcguire | Who said compiling was as easy as installing a binary? =) |
| 05:14.12 | Shirik | Ant is an example of why I want to stab the world. For some reason we feel the need to put EVERYTHING in XML |
| 05:14.15 | Shirik | EVERYTHING |
| 05:14.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: and cmake and waf and.. |
| 05:15.00 | Shirik | also, gnutls takes forever to compile |
| 05:15.34 | WobWork | http://flickr.com/photos/hobbsruggieri/3070394817/ |
| 05:15.37 | WobWork | fail =P |
| 05:15.38 | Shirik | by now I could have gone through 20 trial-and-error cycles on openssl :P |
| 05:16.17 | Shirik | WobWork: You should see some of the awesome stuff I saw while working at Crayola :) |
| 05:16.19 | ScytheBlade1 | nah |
| 05:16.30 | ScytheBlade1 | By now you may have a clue what the syntax means :) |
| 05:17.27 | WobWork | ... http://www.coroflot.com/public/individual_file.asp?portfolio_id=1430815&individual_id=181914 |
| 05:17.30 | WobWork | okay... I want one |
| 05:17.44 | Shirik | eew |
| 05:17.48 | Shirik | that keyboard would not work for me |
| 05:17.55 | WobWork | despite the keyboard =) |
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| 05:18.02 | Shirik | I am very picky about keyboards |
| 05:18.06 | WobWork | cause no tactile reactivity would be terrible |
| 05:18.12 | Shirik | however, that is awesome |
| 05:18.14 | Amarande | Shirik: Violations of this NDA will be punished by having crayons forced up your nose, see Homer Simpson for an example of the effect of this? :) |
| 05:18.15 | WobWork | yeah =) |
| 05:18.29 | Shirik | ~lart Amarande |
| 05:18.29 | purl | makes a balloon animal out of Amarande |
| 05:18.34 | WobWork | hehe I love the docking station |
| 05:18.42 | WobWork | It's such a gratuitious shape =P |
| 05:25.40 | Kraps | any warriors on? |
| 05:26.25 | Kraps | HS and Rend seem like terrible values at 77 |
| 05:28.26 | Kraps | agree or disagree? |
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| 05:33.19 | bleeter | re the gnu toolchain foo.. yes,it's a convoluted weirass pile of stuff, but as stated it does work. and given even systems that are meant to be running the same 'standards' invariably aren't, it's hard not to come up with something that ain't a steaming convoluted pile of stuffs |
| 05:33.25 | Sixen | OMG I LIVE |
| 05:33.31 | Sixen | RUN BLEETER! |
| 05:33.33 | bleeter | Sixen: LIEZ |
| 05:33.35 | Sixen | <3 |
| 05:33.45 | Sixen | I've been rather dead lately :( |
| 05:33.45 | bleeter | nah yer a figment of my imagination today, mate |
| 05:33.48 | bleeter | no need for FLEE |
| 05:33.49 | Sixen | Fasho |
| 05:35.59 | bleeter | and if you think the gnu autoconf build foo is ugg, you should really go learn yacc(1) |
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| 05:41.51 | abyx | how do you get a link to a players profession without having to click the "click here to create a link to your profession" button? |
| 05:42.23 | Shirik | bleeter: There is, however, one other thing about autoconf that has always bothered me |
| 05:42.29 | Shirik | checking errno.h usability... yes |
| 05:42.29 | Shirik | checking errno.h presence... yes |
| 05:42.35 | Shirik | Why do we check usability before presence? |
| 05:42.48 | End | I wonder if coins count as fish |
| 05:43.17 | AnduinLothar | they do |
| 05:43.25 | End | yes, this coin is actually a fish! |
| 05:43.28 | AnduinLothar | i got my 500th fish when i fished up a coin |
| 05:43.32 | Shirik | heh nice |
| 05:43.35 | Shirik | lucky coin |
| 05:43.35 | End | lol |
| 05:45.30 | Shirik | So my guild has been discussing the location of Dalaran and how it has magically "up and moved" to Northrend |
| 05:45.49 | Shirik | we have determined that there must be a hidden spell that you have to find in the game, "Big Portal: Dalaran" which moves the city to you, instead of you to the city |
| 05:45.51 | AnduinLothar | giant portal |
| 05:46.01 | End | lol |
| 05:46.34 | abyx | what i don't understand is why you can't fly in dalaran even though it's a city floating in the air |
| 05:46.44 | Shirik | it's a no-fly zone |
| 05:46.50 | abyx | but why |
| 05:46.53 | Shirik | FAA has very strict regulations |
| 05:47.00 | Shirik | for no apparent reason |
| 05:47.03 | Shirik | just like cell phones |
| 05:47.24 | batrick | so the end of my RAF link is near, should i insta level my priest or shaman to 60? |
| 05:48.07 | abyx | how do i print a profession link in chat from an addon? |
| 05:48.31 | Codayus_ | Priest. |
| 05:48.32 | ScytheBlade1 | abyx: look at the UI source and find it, or search the wiki for a function name you'd expect |
| 05:48.34 | Codayus_ | Priests are fun. |
| 05:49.07 | sacarasc | to kill! |
| 05:49.23 | batrick | !lua 14+28 |
| 05:49.24 | batbot | batrick: > 42 |
| 05:53.43 | Shirik | ! |
| 05:53.46 | Shirik | 42! |
| 05:55.07 | batrick | sadly my priest won't quite make it to 60 |
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| 05:56.11 | Shirik | before? |
| 05:56.38 | batrick | i don't have time between now and when my RAF link expires to get my priest to ~25-30 |
| 05:56.45 | Shirik | RAF? |
| 05:56.46 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:56.48 | Shirik | recruit a friend |
| 05:56.51 | Shirik | I keep thinking royal air force |
| 05:56.52 | batrick | yes :) |
| 05:56.56 | batrick | no :( |
| 05:57.06 | abyx | when does it end? |
| 05:57.14 | batrick | like december 4 |
| 05:57.37 | abyx | you have 3 days to get 10-15 levels |
| 05:57.47 | batrick | i don't have 3 days to spare from RL |
| 05:58.09 | abyx | 300% quest exp would get 10 levels in a day |
| 05:58.31 | batrick | true, but my friend is aussie and getting together to level is difficult enough as it is |
| 05:58.40 | abyx | =( |
| 06:05.07 | kmcguire | I just realized, or so I think, that when my frame is hidden I get no OnUpdate events. Which makes sense, but is there a quick way around this? A better way? I build timers from the OnUpdate function. |
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| 06:05.29 | kmcguire | Should I just hook _all_ events and update my timer from that.. a little too much? |
| 06:06.21 | Shirik | whoooo, I still got it! |
| 06:06.32 | Shirik | My guild has been 80 for like, 2 more weeks than I have or something |
| 06:06.35 | Shirik | maybe a week longer |
| 06:06.36 | Codayus_ | Shirik: I can only hope that it proves to be curable... |
| 06:06.36 | Shirik | whatever |
| 06:06.45 | Thrae | kmcguire: Make another frame, don't set anything special, just use it for OnUpdate. |
| 06:06.45 | Codayus_ | ...oh, right. Nevermind. |
| 06:06.50 | Shirik | But, while they've been doing heroics etc |
| 06:07.03 | Shirik | I still managed #2 on healing charts today for Naxx 25 |
| 06:07.08 | Shirik | and I got 80 yesterday |
| 06:07.20 | Shirik | and #1 was that damn druid that is the new shaman |
| 06:09.35 | Tem | Shirik, only until they nerf us |
| 06:09.43 | Shirik | good |
| 06:09.44 | Shirik | I want to be #1 |
| 06:09.50 | Tem | you're getting nerfed with me |
| 06:09.52 | Shirik | f that |
| 06:09.54 | Tem | I'll still be better than you |
| 06:10.00 | Tem | shammies will just beat both of us |
| 06:10.04 | Shirik | no |
| 06:10.08 | Shirik | our only good shammy went huntard |
| 06:10.15 | Shirik | our other shammies I could beat with my eyes closed |
| 06:10.16 | Shirik | literally |
| 06:10.27 | Shirik | I could pray and hope I'm hitting grid with coh and I'd do better |
| 06:10.34 | Shirik | just spam the screen |
| 06:10.59 | Tem | lol |
| 06:11.17 | Shirik | I don't like that I don't have control over coh now, though |
| 06:11.22 | Shirik | I wish it went back to per-party |
| 06:11.30 | Tem | hmmm |
| 06:11.36 | Tem | tank something on my DK |
| 06:11.41 | Tem | or watch a bit o anime |
| 06:11.45 | Shirik | what anime? |
| 06:11.49 | Tem | no idea |
| 06:11.56 | Tem | I have some stuff I downloaded but haven't watched yet |
| 06:12.04 | Tem | ..maybe? |
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| 06:12.22 | Tem | crap I don't even remember names |
| 06:13.37 | Tem | yeah okay I can't find it |
| 06:13.40 | Shirik | you know what's sad |
| 06:13.43 | Tem | maybe I didn't download it yet |
| 06:13.48 | Tem | Any Reccomendations? |
| 06:13.55 | Tem | Recommendations? |
| 06:13.58 | Shirik | that shaman went from being the #1 healer to being the #1 dps |
| 06:14.07 | Shirik | fate stay night |
| 06:14.10 | Tem | I hate words with double letters that aren't obvious |
| 06:14.22 | Shirik | um, do you like drama,comedy,action? |
| 06:14.25 | Tem | already watched it |
| 06:14.35 | Tem | comedy seems to be hit and miss for me |
| 06:14.42 | Shirik | yumeria is fun, though short |
| 06:14.48 | Shirik | and a bit perverted |
| 06:14.53 | Tem | I've seen that too, but I Don't remember it at all |
| 06:15.06 | kmcguire | Ok, I used my minimap button frame. |
| 06:15.07 | Tem | I recently watched Clannad and the humor hit me just right |
| 06:15.30 | Shirik | see I'm more of a drama person myself |
| 06:15.30 | kmcguire | See how smart I am becoming? I can do things on my own. |
| 06:15.33 | Tem | I'm sure my neighbors could hear me laughing |
| 06:15.41 | Shirik | so I'm not sure you'd like what I watch :) |
| 06:15.44 | Tem | Shirik, I'm not opposed to drama |
| 06:15.51 | Tem | it's been a while since I've watched one, too |
| 06:15.54 | bleeter | WobWork: ^^ ;) |
| 06:16.06 | Shirik | "kimi ga nozomu eien" (kiminozo for short) is still my favorite |
| 06:16.16 | Tem | yeah I saw that one a while back |
| 06:16.23 | Shirik | wtf |
| 06:16.24 | Tem | I lost a night's sleep because of it |
| 06:16.26 | Shirik | what haven't you seen |
| 06:16.42 | Tem | that damn show had me up all night because I refused to go to bed without knowing what happened |
| 06:16.46 | bleeter | WobWork: Lee took 5/105 from 25 overs, 5 maidens lolol |
| 06:16.54 | Shirik | heh Tem :) |
| 06:17.13 | Tem | in fact, I think you recommended it to me |
| 06:17.15 | WobWork | bleeter: ^^ |
| 06:17.18 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:17.19 | Shirik | I might have :) |
| 06:17.28 | Tem | it was indeed quite good |
| 06:17.36 | WobWork | hm home time |
| 06:18.05 | Shirik | you know what else is stupid |
| 06:18.11 | Shirik | the term "big endian" and "little endian" |
| 06:18.19 | Shirik | there's two ends to it! |
| 06:18.24 | Shirik | one side has to be big and one side has to be small! |
| 06:18.25 | sacarasc | 5/105 in 25 overs is pretty good :o |
| 06:18.27 | Tem | big endian sounds like a good song title |
| 06:18.32 | WobWork | you'd prefer big endian and Theother endian? |
| 06:18.46 | kmcguire | I would if I was building a network router or smart switch. =P |
| 06:18.49 | Shirik | Something intuitive |
| 06:18.53 | WobWork | The Endian |
| 06:18.58 | bleeter | hahaha http://codefromthe70s.org/sslblacklist.asp |
| 06:19.00 | Shirik | like MSBL or LSBL |
| 06:19.02 | Tem | Intuitive Terms in computing? |
| 06:19.04 | Shirik | most/least significant bit last |
| 06:19.05 | bleeter | man why was I late to that specific party :( |
| 06:19.06 | Tem | UNPOSSIBLE |
| 06:19.11 | Tem | INCONCEIVABLE |
| 06:19.12 | Shirik | which isn't exactly true |
| 06:19.17 | Shirik | mosg/least singificant BYTE last |
| 06:19.19 | Shirik | there we go |
| 06:19.44 | kmcguire | Yeah, there is most/least significant byte/bit in some situations which makes it even more confusing. |
| 06:20.03 | Tem | So yeah, Shirik |
| 06:20.10 | Tem | keep shooting until you hit something I haven't seen |
| 06:20.21 | Shirik | onegai twins |
| 06:20.29 | Tem | haven't seen it |
| 06:20.29 | kmcguire | A endianess processor! |
| 06:20.36 | Shirik | wow, that was easy |
| 06:20.39 | Tem | though I seem to recall it being a little... |
| 06:20.49 | Tem | "the love interest acts like a child" |
| 06:21.00 | Tem | or perhaps I'm remembering something else entirely |
| 06:21.02 | Shirik | huh? |
| 06:21.50 | Tem | no idea, Shirik |
| 06:21.56 | Tem | my brain does strange things at midnight |
| 06:21.58 | Shirik | :P |
| 06:22.04 | Shirik | it's a comedy also |
| 06:22.09 | Shirik | I found it fun |
| 06:22.21 | Shirik | well |
| 06:22.24 | Shirik | comedy/drama |
| 06:22.37 | Tem | I can't stand it when I'm watching something and the story seems to be pairing the main character with someone (who might be the same age as him) who seems very, very young |
| 06:22.50 | Shirik | heh |
| 06:22.54 | Shirik | welcome to the Japanese world! |
| 06:22.57 | Tem | acts childish, looks childish |
| 06:22.58 | Tem | ect |
| 06:23.00 | Tem | I know I know |
| 06:23.41 | Shirik | so what exactly does "WOW" stand for, in the context of "Wow64" |
| 06:23.46 | Shirik | ~wtf wow |
| 06:23.48 | Shirik | ~wow64 |
| 06:23.49 | Tem | shamwow! |
| 06:23.55 | Shirik | ~wow |
| 06:23.55 | purl | I have no life |
| 06:23.58 | Shirik | ... |
| 06:24.01 | Tem | rofl |
| 06:24.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Windows on Windows 64 |
| 06:24.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Runs 32-bit programs on a 64-bit OS |
| 06:24.18 | Tem | mmm |
| 06:24.22 | Shirik | is it VM'ed? |
| 06:24.25 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 06:24.31 | Tem | Shirik, onegai twins is a bandai thing |
| 06:24.32 | ScytheBlade1 | At least, not in the VMWare sense |
| 06:24.42 | Tem | I need to stay away from Bandai stuff for a while |
| 06:24.45 | Shirik | heh |
| 06:24.48 | ScytheBlade1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOW64 |
| 06:24.49 | Tem | they sent a nastygram to my ISP |
| 06:24.54 | Shirik | oops |
| 06:25.27 | Tem | you know what that means, right? |
| 06:25.30 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:25.39 | Shirik | I didn't think that ever actually happened :) |
| 06:25.42 | Tem | (it means keep the suggestions coming!) |
| 06:25.50 | Shirik | I'm out of options! |
| 06:25.59 | Shirik | kd3 has a good selection |
| 06:26.03 | Shirik | oh wait, I know |
| 06:26.07 | Shirik | um |
| 06:26.08 | Tem | kd3 doesn't understand tank mechanics |
| 06:26.11 | Shirik | gah what was it called |
| 06:26.13 | Shirik | burst angel |
| 06:26.19 | Tem | burst angel? |
| 06:26.37 | Tem | Bakuretsu Tenshi |
| 06:26.37 | Shirik | that's more action though |
| 06:26.39 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:27.28 | Tem | I guess I should focus on leveling... |
| 06:27.38 | Shirik | it... was a little confusing in the first few episodes |
| 06:27.39 | Tem | tanking AN at 70 isn't really feasible with my gear |
| 06:27.44 | Tem | oh! |
| 06:27.45 | Shirik | I think it starts to make sense around the third |
| 06:27.52 | Tem | you just made me remember an anime that I downloaded |
| 06:27.56 | Tem | Baccano! |
| 06:28.07 | Shirik | is it... about bacon? |
| 06:28.11 | Tem | no |
| 06:28.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ... what's this in the vista control panel list? "Secure Online Key Backup"? Do I sense and oxymoron? |
| 06:28.25 | Tem | it's like 1950's mobsters |
| 06:28.40 | Tem | but with random immortality power thrown in |
| 06:31.35 | Shirik | hehe |
| 06:31.48 | Shirik | there's nothing like logging in to an ftp server and instantly being greeted by "Welcome, Hacker!" |
| 06:32.44 | bleeter | lolol random http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg |
| 06:33.02 | bleeter | http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/tcv80ipepkza7.jpg |
| 06:33.07 | Shirik | My prof has that comic on his door |
| 06:33.08 | Shirik | it's awesome |
| 06:33.43 | Shirik | hey ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:33.48 | bleeter | i was just installing addon that tests for bad ssl certs, so stumbled across those 'debian' images |
| 06:33.48 | Shirik | how come those comics never say "Gentoo" on them? |
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| 06:34.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ? |
| 06:34.58 | Shirik | Gentoo > Debian |
| 06:35.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 06:35.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That |
| 06:35.14 | Shirik | literally |
| 06:35.19 | Tem | Btw |
| 06:35.20 | Shirik | lua> "Gentoo" > "Debian" |
| 06:35.20 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 06:35.23 | Tem | do I have an accent? |
| 06:35.29 | ScytheBlade1 | When gentoo is outright dead in a few years, see what that argument is worth |
| 06:35.30 | Shirik | accent? |
| 06:35.39 | Tem | like |
| 06:35.43 | Tem | do I sound southern? |
| 06:35.53 | Shirik | I wouldn't say so, but keep in mind I mostly grew up in VA |
| 06:35.54 | bleeter | Shirik: 'coz gentoo has plenty at funroll-loops.info |
| 06:36.06 | Tem | (when I'm not trying to sound souther) |
| 06:36.08 | Tem | n |
| 06:36.13 | Shirik | Do I look Asian? |
| 06:36.20 | Tem | hispanic |
| 06:36.21 | bleeter | from where I'm sitting, yes |
| 06:36.31 | Tem | (I know better) |
| 06:37.19 | Tem | Italian, right? |
| 06:37.25 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:37.29 | Shirik | an Italian in Florida |
| 06:37.30 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:38.03 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 06:39.11 | Shirik | one day Cairenn will kill me |
| 06:39.28 | Cairenn | ~kill Shirik |
| 06:39.29 | purl | ACTION shoots a excited pseudotachyon gun at Shirik |
| 06:39.36 | ScytheBlade1 | That was easy |
| 06:39.54 | Shirik | I've taken trimexoline |
| 06:40.34 | Shirik | sorry |
| 06:40.35 | Shirik | Chronexaline |
| 06:40.40 | Shirik | I fail :( |
| 06:41.11 | linear` | what was that huge mod called that had that vfl library |
| 06:41.21 | Shirik | linear`, you make me cry |
| 06:41.28 | Shirik | it was RDX |
| 06:41.57 | linear` | o yeah |
| 06:42.00 | linear` | what happened to it anyways |
| 06:42.10 | Shirik | that is a very complicated story that is still going on |
| 06:42.19 | bleeter | i et it with flava beans and a nice cianti |
| 06:43.20 | Shirik | though OpenRDX is now available on wowinterface now |
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| 07:01.19 | batrick | So after reading a section of the constitution, I think it's pretty certain that applying a sales tax on any item sold out of state is unconstitutional: http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec10 |
| 07:01.24 | batrick | that's an excellent site btw |
| 07:01.44 | Shirik | batrick: That is correct |
| 07:01.50 | Shirik | who did that? |
| 07:01.55 | Shirik | I know of a store that specifically explots that |
| 07:02.00 | batrick | new york did not too long ago |
| 07:02.04 | Shirik | it is built on the border of VA and NC |
| 07:02.09 | Shirik | and they never charge sales tax :) |
| 07:02.19 | Shirik | because they claim to deliver it to you in another state |
| 07:02.28 | batrick | haha nice |
| 07:03.56 | batrick | there is a similar note above that section "No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State." |
| 07:04.00 | batrick | so it goes both ways I think |
| 07:04.24 | bleeter | now with LVM support -> wget http://users.on.net/~bleeter/vpenis.c && gcc -Wall -o vpenis `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0` vpenis.c && ./vpenis |
| 07:04.26 | batrick | although, that might mean articles as pieces of paper, specifically banning taxes like the stamp act tax |
| 07:04.41 | bleeter | gtk development stuff required, obviously |
| 07:05.37 | Tekkub | http://monkeypunchers.com/?p=79 |
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| 07:10.33 | Wobin | bleeter: ... that's a whole lot of penis |
| 07:10.50 | Tem | ... |
| 07:11.06 | Tem | A level 74 death knigh just asked me "how u do that?" |
| 07:11.18 | Wobin | death grip? =P |
| 07:11.25 | Tem | ...yes |
| 07:11.30 | Wobin | >< |
| 07:11.34 | Wobin | I mourn for our class |
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| 07:11.55 | Tem | this is a good time for a huntard story |
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| 07:12.11 | Tem | a friend of mine hit 60 the other day with his mage |
| 07:12.13 | Wobin | cause, wtf? |
| 07:12.16 | Tem | this was his first level 60 |
| 07:12.25 | Tem | so, he ventured to outland |
| 07:12.43 | Tem | and spent a good bit of time staring down the pit lord battle at the portal |
| 07:12.49 | Tem | then, some hunter sends him a tell |
| 07:13.09 | Tem | "ull never make it here without more hps" |
| 07:13.24 | Tem | "u need at least 6000 or else ull die" |
| 07:13.45 | Wobin | ... |
| 07:13.55 | Tem | "I have almost 5000 and I havent made it yet" |
| 07:13.56 | Wobin | well.. he was looking out for him... kinda... |
| 07:14.02 | Wobin | rofl |
| 07:14.07 | Tem | so |
| 07:14.07 | Tem | it turns out |
| 07:14.09 | Wobin | "If you run realllly fast..." |
| 07:14.15 | Tem | he was referring to the pit lord battle |
| 07:14.16 | linear` | how big can the string be in sendaddonmessage? |
| 07:14.31 | Tem | 256 bytes |
| 07:14.39 | Tem | including your header |
| 07:14.52 | Tem | he was trying to RUN to honor hold |
| 07:15.06 | Tem | because he aparently missed the quest that sends you on a fucking bird there |
| 07:15.17 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:15.19 | |pez| | Can i lol? |
| 07:15.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: 255, tab is forced as one of those |
| 07:16.34 | Tem | ah right |
| 07:16.40 | Tem | sorry |
| 07:16.55 | Tem | |pez|, yes. you may lol at the huntard |
| 07:17.02 | |pez| | lol |
| 07:17.07 | Tem | optionally, you may lol to yourself about the dumb knight |
| 07:17.20 | |pez| | I almost loled at that too. |
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| 07:22.29 | Tem | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/05f44f35f15397fa8ac432e7f55d9933.png |
| 07:22.37 | Tekkub | Tem, tonight, in Dragonblight, doing the shredder quest with my keyboardturner leveling partner |
| 07:22.48 | Tekkub | "it won't cut the trees" |
| 07:22.59 | Tekkub | me: "you have to be really close" |
| 07:23.01 | Tem | "how do I get off this horse?" |
| 07:23.24 | Tekkub | I then proceed to watch him use every single skill the shredder has EXCEPT "Harvest lumber" |
| 07:23.28 | Thunder_Child | Tem, it took me a while in beta to figure that out |
| 07:23.38 | Tekkub | "It's fucked, relogging" |
| 07:23.49 | |pez| | The shredder quest was actually bugged for a while. |
| 07:23.52 | Tem | Thunder_Child, seriously? |
| 07:23.55 | Tekkub | "You try [harvest lumber]?" |
| 07:24.02 | Tekkub | he stands there for a minute... |
| 07:24.11 | Tekkub | walks up to a tree, it works... |
| 07:24.13 | Tem | You didn't notice that YOUR ACTIONBAR CHANGED AND BUTTON ONE IS "TURN IN THE FUCKING QUEST"? |
| 07:24.25 | Tekkub | "You always have to go pointing that shit out don't you?" |
| 07:24.45 | Thunder_Child | Tem, no, i dont usually look at my action bar when i dont need to |
| 07:25.07 | Tekkub | you're one of those touchtypecasters aren't you |
| 07:25.07 | Tem | I'm sorry, Thunder_Child |
| 07:25.13 | Tem | but I have zero sympathy for you |
| 07:25.24 | Tekkub | <--- damaged brain, when I think about it I HAVE to look or I can't type |
| 07:25.43 | Tekkub | also gotta have my spells up where I can see or I don't know which is which |
| 07:25.46 | |pez| | A lot of the vehicle and animal controlling quests were bugged on my server. |
| 07:25.53 | |pez| | dunno if that applies to you. |
| 07:26.02 | Tekkub | maybe YOU were bugged |
| 07:26.06 | Tekkub | *zing* |
| 07:26.18 | Tem | Damaged brain? |
| 07:26.18 | Thunder_Child | i dunno Tem, they could have made it a bit more obious...what about for people that dont use action bars at all? |
| 07:26.30 | Thunder_Child | obvious* |
| 07:26.36 | Tem | then they're fucked |
| 07:26.39 | |pez| | Sucks to be them. |
| 07:26.40 | Tem | and I still have no sympathy |
| 07:27.05 | Tekkub | it shoulda been a bit pulsey or somethings |
| 07:27.18 | Tekkub | granted, don't they all pop up the big vehicle UI now? |
| 07:27.30 | Tekkub | or do some still do the actionbar directly only? |
| 07:27.43 | Tem | the horse pops up the huge vehicle ui |
| 07:27.56 | Tem | I think they all do |
| 07:28.06 | Tekkub | good |
| 07:28.06 | Tem | though, the first time I did that quest, it didn't |
| 07:28.17 | Tekkub | yea first time I did DK in beta I didn't look at my actionbar at all |
| 07:28.17 | Tem | AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANY TROUBLE SEEING WTF TO DO |
| 07:28.33 | Tekkub | I didn't think "oh I'm on a vehicle now" |
| 07:28.43 | |pez| | Ok, Tem, you're a genious, but could you stop yelling? :P |
| 07:28.53 | Tekkub | I figured it was your standard "you get credit when you get there" |
| 07:29.16 | Tem | |pez|, :( |
| 07:29.21 | Tem | yelling makes me feel better |
| 07:29.31 | |pez| | It doesn't make me feel better. |
| 07:29.36 | Tekkub | I CAN YELL TOO CAUSE I'M SMART TOO? |
| 07:29.58 | |pez| | *cwy* |
| 07:31.45 | Tekkub | I need to make something that does a "tada!" when I get a perfect gem so I know to go back and make another normal on |
| 07:31.49 | Tekkub | I keep missing them |
| 07:32.30 | Tem | why do you need to make another normal one? |
| 07:33.03 | Tekkub | because I like to have one of every gem (that's profitable) up? |
| 07:34.43 | Tem | ah cool |
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| 07:40.16 | zenzio | heh, reading an article about Dead Space, and found this paragraph pretty funny |
| 07:40.20 | zenzio | "Isaac never speaks, and you never get any indication of his mood, other than that he doesn't like dying. He wears a mask throughout the game, and reacts to little. Apparently, this makes him relatable, because so many of us are demure, voiceless, deep space mechanics who constantly wear masks." |
| 07:41.33 | Thunder_Child | zenzio, that sounds like something zero punctuation would say |
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| 08:39.20 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/6982/Fazed20071020213138.jpg |
| 08:40.20 | Fisker- | i will destroy oyu |
| 08:40.21 | Fisker- | damnit |
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| 08:41.25 | ZorbaTHut | can't believe I'm still selling infinite dust for 10g/ea |
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| 08:43.17 | Pizik | insane prices on some things |
| 08:43.39 | Pizik | Shards dont sell well it seems though |
| 08:43.43 | ZorbaTHut | and maintainably insane, somehow |
| 08:44.04 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, 200g for a stack of dust? it's still selling, and I'm still making it :P |
| 08:44.28 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/7775/5dc8244680af3cf555576db3e602dca4.jpg |
| 08:44.40 | Pizik | considering at best that will get you 5 points of training, it is stupid |
| 08:44.46 | ZorbaTHut | I keep doing a big disenchant run and thinking "oh man, I'm never going to unload 200 infinite dust at 10g/ea" |
| 08:44.51 | ZorbaTHut | and then 2000 gold later I do another disenchant run |
| 08:45.29 | Pizik | I'd rather wait and level them up later (or with quest rewards) |
| 08:45.55 | ZorbaTHut | that's what I'm doing, my disenchanter's only at 350 ;) |
| 08:46.12 | clad|sleep | wow thats crazy |
| 08:46.24 | clad|sleep | I need gold, but I don't have anyone who can do that |
| 08:46.35 | cladhaire | plus they really wouldn't sell on my server :P |
| 08:46.46 | Pizik | Now I have one, I dont think id cope without an enchanter |
| 08:47.08 | Pizik | @10G they wouldnt sell on my realm I dont think |
| 08:47.08 | cladhaire | unless anyone would recommend anything else to level 60 - 70 solo/group |
| 08:47.10 | ZorbaTHut | it's really nice especially with the new vellums |
| 08:47.33 | Pizik | I just did cladhaire, about to try it out (on a DK?) |
| 08:47.38 | ZorbaTHut | although now I need a scribe to be able to mass-produce vellum :P |
| 08:47.41 | cladhaire | no, mage |
| 08:47.42 | cladhaire | actually :P |
| 08:47.47 | Pizik | hehe |
| 08:47.48 | cladhaire | I would never go Frost on a DK |
| 08:47.53 | cladhaire | not for leveling |
| 08:48.03 | Pizik | Im trying it out, only level 61 |
| 08:48.15 | cladhaire | heh |
| 08:49.37 | Pizik | DKs should get quests to change the look of gear to DK looking gear |
| 08:50.50 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/8607/d209fc5c63bcadb61c04159008447ba4.jpg |
| 08:51.16 | ZorbaTHut | everyone should get a quest not to look like a butt |
| 08:51.30 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Fisker- |
| 08:51.30 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Fisker-. I hate you because you fail. |
| 08:51.32 | ZorbaTHut | I do kind of like the idea of social armor - it's what you look like, unless the other person has chosen the "disable social armor" checkbox |
| 08:52.06 | ZorbaTHut | but provides zero stats, and isn't "actually" what you're wearing |
| 08:52.34 | ZorbaTHut | that way death knights could always look metal and warriors could always look like walking steel walls and druids could always look like magical hippies |
| 08:55.38 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, wonder if I'm gonna see my hoped-for saronite crash on Tuesday |
| 09:04.24 | Pizik | Frost spec DKs kick ass ;o) |
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| 09:08.30 | cladhaire | Pizik: meh |
| 09:08.34 | cladhaire | not my sort of playstyle |
| 09:09.20 | Pizik | I leveled a Pally as Prot so maybe I just like to torture myself ;op |
| 09:13.51 | Fisker- | Our goal with dual-spec though is more that you can tank heroics on weekends and raid as dps during the week, not that you tank the trash then switch to dps for the boss. Doubtless players will still do the latter, but we aren't designing raid encounters knowing that players have access to dual spec. Don't expect to see 12 tank fights or that sort of nonsense. |
| 09:13.53 | Fisker- | lies! |
| 09:14.01 | Fisker- | Introducing the new 4 horsemen |
| 09:14.23 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I think they're going to end up eating those words, myself |
| 09:14.27 | ZorbaTHut | if they allow it, people are going to do it |
| 09:14.33 | Fisker- | You need 4 tanks for the horsemen, 4 tanks for their horses, 4 tanks for their heads, 4 tanks for their horses heads, 4 tanks for their weapons, and... erm 4 tanks for their weapons heads |
| 09:14.53 | ZorbaTHut | and then they're going to feel forced to design for it in order to provide a challenge |
| 09:15.21 | Fisker- | I think(hope) that they'll opt-in to providing some kind of cooldown |
| 09:15.46 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, a 1-hour cooldown would solve the problems in instances and really not provide much of an issue for changing spec for parties |
| 09:22.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: the main thing i've heard against that kind of thing is you flip specs to do one thing (pvp, heroic, raid, whatever) and it falls through or something, and you can't do your other spec stuff in the meantime, which isn't their intention, i think |
| 09:22.52 | Wobin | wow http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/12/01/this-iphone-is-touchier-than-most/ |
| 09:22.54 | Wobin | that's... kinda cool |
| 09:22.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Really, I don't see a problem with just forcing the spec swap to happen at a specific location. a la lexicon of power. Same 'trouble' as respeccing now, but with no cost associated for flipping between your two specs |
| 09:23.31 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'd be fine with that too |
| 09:24.56 | Wobin | this is also a cool site: http://asknature.org |
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| 09:27.29 | NightHawkTheSane | anyway. night. |
| 09:30.28 | Pizik | Gah, cant connect to my realm :o( |
| 09:30.57 | cladhaire | STOP HITTING YOURSELF!!! |
| 09:32.20 | Thunder_Child | ~calm cladhaire |
| 09:32.20 | purl | ACTION sooths cladhaire, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm cladhaire down. |
| 09:32.33 | cladhaire | mmm jacuzzi |
| 09:32.39 | cladhaire | would Cairenn like to join meh? |
| 09:32.50 | Cairenn | mmmmmmmmmm |
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| 09:59.57 | Tem | oh man |
| 10:00.03 | Thunder_Child | yes? |
| 10:00.04 | Tem | I just did a UK run with 3 dks |
| 10:00.12 | Tem | well, 4 including myself |
| 10:00.19 | Tem | I was tanking |
| 10:00.25 | Tem | so, tank gear frost presence |
| 10:00.35 | Thunder_Child | UK huh? did you tank Big Ben? |
| 10:00.36 | Tem | I did 500 dps more than any of them |
| 10:00.50 | Tem | one of them was DW blood for god's sake |
| 10:00.57 | Tem | it's was like the failpatrol |
| 10:01.08 | Tem | it made me never want to group with another DK again |
| 10:04.59 | Corrodias | i take it you're the same level |
| 10:06.55 | Corrodias | fucking 4am... okay, i have to go to bed. |
| 10:08.01 | Thunder_Child | ~wake Corrodias |
| 10:08.02 | purl | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Corrodias and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
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| 10:13.04 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/209/ticketdefense.jpg <- good stuff. |
| 10:15.10 | Corrodias | amusement |
| 10:21.15 | Corrodias | now i sleep. 'ni |
| 10:21.30 | Corrodias | tomorrow maybe i can figure out where firefox is putting its cache, because it's not in either of the places i expect |
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| 10:44.24 | Xiro | is anyone aware of a method to get the arena rating portion of an items extended cost.. I can get arena/honor points as well as item currency info.. just not the actual arena rating displayed in the tooltip |
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| 11:19.15 | Wobin | Tem: I know how you feel =( |
| 11:19.39 | Wobin | I was doing around 900, and the DK frost tank was doing 400 O.O |
| 11:19.54 | Wobin | So, what's the best way to pick up runners? |
| 11:19.56 | Wobin | as a tank |
| 11:20.13 | Wobin | I can taunt them fine, it's just targetting them I have issues with |
| 11:20.24 | Wobin | (especially if they're all extra large mobs =() |
| 11:25.44 | abyx | tab? |
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| 11:33.12 | mikma | wobin: macro, /cast Ice Chains /cast Death Grip (or something) |
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| 11:34.09 | Wobin | that doesn't answer my question =P |
| 11:34.15 | Wobin | It's more of a generic tanking question than a DK one |
| 11:38.08 | mikma | best way, there are none. it's just click and hope it hits |
| 11:38.12 | zenzio | do you use your mouse a lot? If you do, I find it usually works well enough to click their nameplate |
| 11:38.21 | zenzio | but that can be hard if there's lots of mobs in the pack |
| 11:42.22 | abyx | maybe #wowuidev can help me because i have no idea where else to ask this but... does anyone know why my surround sound would be "broken"? sounds that are supposed to come strictly from the left speaker only come from both, and the same for right-speaker-only sounds |
| 11:42.55 | mikma | your surround is set incorrectly |
| 11:43.25 | abyx | i'm using a headset and i have tried setting the "speaker setup" to headset and 2.1 |
| 11:43.30 | abyx | problem persists |
| 11:43.54 | Wobin | zomg |
| 11:43.55 | Wobin | http://www.flickr.com/photos/30938059@N08/3074333400/ |
| 11:44.36 | haste | it came from the future! |
| 11:44.44 | Wobin | Cairenn: ^ |
| 11:45.48 | Cairenn | ? |
| 11:45.51 | mikma | wobin: so remind me, you play in what "country"? eu? us? |
| 11:45.54 | Cairenn | what am I looking at? |
| 11:48.27 | Wobin | TADPOLES! |
| 11:48.33 | Wobin | mikma: US |
| 11:48.46 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 12:00.13 | Wobin | fucker |
| 12:00.21 | Wobin | Some idiot of a belf summons me to do dps |
| 12:00.24 | Wobin | in nexus |
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| 12:00.31 | Wobin | then drops me from the party cause he didn't like my gear |
| 12:00.35 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:00.54 | Wobin | I could -possibly- understand it if I was wearing level 60 stuff |
| 12:00.59 | Kalroth | I wasn't aware that there's any instances with a gear check in WotLK |
| 12:01.12 | Wobin | but what I have is better than any quest gear I've currently encountered =P |
| 12:01.25 | Kalroth | oh, so not even heroic? |
| 12:01.28 | Wobin | nope |
| 12:01.29 | Wobin | normal |
| 12:01.32 | Kalroth | .. |
| 12:01.34 | Wobin | he was 71 =P |
| 12:01.37 | Wobin | I'm 70 |
| 12:01.42 | Wobin | yep |
| 12:01.52 | Wobin | Of course |
| 12:02.04 | Wobin | now they'll spend another 20min waiting for someone to come and dps |
| 12:02.07 | Kalroth | the normal instances are so easy it's not even funny |
| 12:02.16 | Wobin | Inorite? |
| 12:02.17 | Kalroth | I tanked violet hold at level 72, as fury spec :p |
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| 13:18.36 | abyx | lol i was just going through my WTF folder and i found a SavedVariable file from one of my very first addons.... the savedvariables file was 7.4 GB |
| 13:18.54 | abyx | i wonder how i managed that |
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| 13:26.55 | cbreak | I wonder how you could still log in with that |
| 13:27.50 | abyx | the addon itself was long gone but the saved file was still there |
| 13:28.00 | abyx | i'm cleaning up my savedvariables folder atm |
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| 13:59.14 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi hi! |
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| 14:39.28 | Kraps | if Defense is the best tanking stat, would SBV be next? |
| 14:40.23 | Lopeppeppy | Is SBV contagious? What is SBV in this usage? |
| 14:40.50 | Kraps | heh. shield block value |
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| 14:42.28 | Lopeppeppy | Ah hah. I'm not sure what the combination avoidance has to be for an 80 tank (block/parry/dodge) |
| 14:43.17 | Kraps | i'm at 77 just starting grizzly hills |
| 14:44.01 | topsub | i think defense sta str? |
| 14:44.03 | Lopeppeppy | Much as I hate to send you into the pit, I'd recommend seeing if there's any published wisdom on the tanking forum (**gag**) or if the Wiki has been updated for 80. Then you know where to be shooting for. |
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| 14:44.25 | topsub | worldofraids.com i think posted a defense / tanking guild |
| 14:44.26 | topsub | or linked to one |
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| 14:44.41 | alestane | I accept that some things are clearly advantageous, but the idea that a single optimal tanking stat set can be mathematically derived bugs me. |
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| 14:44.59 | topsub | well defense scales more then just defense |
| 14:45.21 | Lopeppeppy | There's not a single stat, but there's an optimal combo of them all to get the right avoidance against boss fights at level 80. |
| 14:45.21 | topsub | it does more then just add defense |
| 14:46.08 | topsub | well more defense adds dodge block parry |
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| 14:46.17 | topsub | reduce chance to be crit hit |
| 14:47.20 | alestane | Well, right. The way the stats cap out in effectiveness means that you're supposed to balance your stats a certainly way. There is a documentable single best way to gear a good tank. That annoys me. |
| 14:47.26 | alestane | certain* |
| 14:47.38 | topsub | for me once i get 540 defense |
| 14:47.42 | topsub | i work on sta / str |
| 14:47.49 | topsub | str = parry, bv |
| 14:48.11 | topsub | and ap of course which = better white hits = more treat |
| 14:48.13 | Lopeppeppy | Not really, alestane. They have to combine to equal X amount, but I can have a bit more parry than dodge, etc.... but yeah, there is a strong mathematical base for slugfest bosses. |
| 14:48.26 | Lopeppeppy | Might be why so many bosses are NOT slugfests anymore, huh? *wink* |
| 14:48.44 | topsub | i believe there is a difference in gearing for boss fights vs trash aoe pulls |
| 14:49.14 | mikma | wobin: what was the ej link for dk? |
| 14:49.28 | Lopeppeppy | Trash AoE pulls often won't use the same tank either, topsub. |
| 14:49.37 | mikma | <1651> <Wobin> http://elitistjerks.com/f72/ |
| 14:49.39 | topsub | high avoidance tanks are nice but always dangerous |
| 14:49.42 | mikma | lastlog ftw |
| 14:50.36 | topsub | my tank was good for trash but sometimes bad for boss due to i would block dodge parry a ton. then bame hit and drop. vs a tank who is steady takes same amount of damage |
| 14:50.41 | Kalroth | high avoidance is always good, simply because you'll still have a nice amount of health |
| 14:50.58 | topsub | well thats the key kalroth. have high avoidance AND hp |
| 14:51.00 | Kalroth | (avoidance gear rarely ever come without stamina) |
| 14:51.08 | topsub | now a days |
| 14:51.14 | topsub | before if you weren't end game gear |
| 14:51.22 | Kraps | heh, here i fooled everyone into talking about raid tanking |
| 14:51.28 | Kalroth | oh |
| 14:51.31 | Kalroth | I'm talking about raids |
| 14:51.35 | topsub | i saw tanks who had kara / gear who just stacked sta |
| 14:51.36 | Kraps | i know |
| 14:51.37 | Kalroth | not 5/10 mans :p |
| 14:51.40 | topsub | then bitched when they die |
| 14:52.00 | Kalroth | personally I gemmed for +dodge in Sunwell, I loved it :) |
| 14:52.00 | Kraps | Kalroth: i'm only 77 :p |
| 14:52.22 | Kalroth | oh |
| 14:52.27 | Kalroth | then why are you worrying about tanking! |
| 14:52.52 | Lopeppeppy | Because even at 77 he's tanking and trying to gear appropriately? |
| 14:53.00 | Kraps | ya |
| 14:53.17 | Kraps | want to know what stats to focus on |
| 14:53.25 | Kalroth | yes, that's called "get a shield" and go to instances :) |
| 14:53.33 | Kraps | :p |
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| 14:53.54 | Kraps | i'm in almost all blues anyway |
| 14:53.56 | Kalroth | it doesn't really matter yet, you can tank non-heroics as dps spec in tbc gear |
| 14:54.08 | Kraps | so i hear |
| 14:54.10 | Kalroth | and heroics you can do fine with whatever gear you can find |
| 14:55.25 | Kalroth | Kraps: No need to make it complicated though, look at item - if it is an upgrade to an existing item, grab it |
| 14:55.54 | Kalroth | You'll be worrying about defense until you've got 2-3 epics anyways ;) |
| 14:56.08 | Kalroth | I'm still gemmed for +def to make the 540 requirement |
| 14:57.11 | Kraps | try to decide between -sta +SB or -hit +def for example |
| 14:57.49 | pompy | i hear the 40stam/40str food is the raid food for tanks |
| 14:59.16 | pompy | There is no avoidance % needed anymore |
| 14:59.19 | pompy | bosses don't crush |
| 14:59.55 | cbreak | I am getting less epic by the day :/ |
| 15:00.05 | Lopeppeppy | I hear you, cbreak. |
| 15:00.44 | Kraps | change of topic: hindsight is 20/20, but wouldn't you have done the same things a young Arthas did? |
| 15:01.52 | Lopeppeppy | Young? Maybe. But crazy? Nope. |
| 15:01.58 | cbreak | humans did do similar things back in the dark ages during the big pestilence outbreaks. |
| 15:03.34 | Kraps | with equal parts fear, panic, hatred, and a need for revenge, you dont really think straight |
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| 15:05.31 | Kraps | plaxico burres needs to go |
| 15:06.27 | Lopeppeppy | He is gone. He shot himself. Hello. He's done, it's just not formal yet. |
| 15:08.23 | Kraps | i would love to know what goes on in his mostly empty head when he does this stuff |
| 15:09.39 | Kraps | kuddos to wowhead <script src="http://www.wowhead.com/widgets/power.js"></script> |
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| 15:10.18 | Kraps | "All links found on your site that point to a Wowhead item, spell, quest, or achievement page will now sport a tooltip and an icon." |
| 15:11.18 | mikma | wobin: http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/40966-polar-s-easy-pre-naxx-tank-gear-list.html |
| 15:12.07 | Kraps | oh nice |
| 15:13.07 | Kraps | i'll have to bookmark that |
| 15:14.40 | pompy | i dont get why my guild leader doesnt understand that rl stuff is more important than a game.. /sigh |
| 15:14.53 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.44 | mikma | apparently he takes the game too seriously |
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| 15:18.39 | Kraps | mikma: wow is srs business dontcha know |
| 15:18.49 | Lopeppeppy | For sure. |
| 15:19.07 | Lopeppeppy | pompy, I quit my raiding guild for that very reason, haven't looked back. |
| 15:19.27 | mikma | kraps: nope, i just level my dk and have fun |
| 15:19.37 | mikma | except the fun will be over once i'm done in grizzly |
| 15:20.25 | Kraps | you fail at life if you have only pvp epics. srsly |
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| 15:20.45 | mikma | i say failing is having full pve epix |
| 15:20.51 | Kraps | heh |
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| 15:25.10 | alestane | Or you didn't bother... |
| 15:26.07 | Lopeppeppy | Why bother? Have fun your own way. |
| 15:27.16 | Kraps | i dont have epics cuz i'm part of the non-exsistent oxymoronic group "MMO players against grinding" |
| 15:28.49 | Nom- | *sigh* always so much pain to get sound working in wine |
| 15:28.57 | Nom- | it must be pulseaudio.. must find how to disable it |
| 15:28.59 | Lopeppeppy | I work in mead.... |
| 15:37.27 | Shirik | omg, massive bank error >< |
| 15:37.29 | Shirik | and not in my favor |
| 15:37.38 | kd3 | tem, Shirik; burst angel's ending blows. not all that fond of it. need to manually readd it to my list since I lost it in a crash... http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=mylist&uid=328655 |
| 15:37.48 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch, darlin'. It's Monday, go smack them. |
| 15:38.03 | Shirik | I got my new debit card yesterday, checked it at an ATM. I was like "Does that really say -$730 on it?" |
| 15:38.13 | Shirik | Today I called my parents since they have access to that account too. Guess what happened? |
| 15:38.16 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, that's not cool. |
| 15:38.40 | Shirik | My mom also needed a new debit card, so they gave her a temporary one a few days ago. But it was linked to my account instead of hers. All the purchases she made over the weekend hit my account. |
| 15:39.38 | Shirik | I'm rather surprised it didn't get declined |
| 15:39.55 | Lopeppeppy | It should have, Shirik. But get that handled ASAP, or they'll be all like, it's your fault for not noticing. |
| 15:40.05 | Shirik | no she's going to the bank today to yell at people |
| 15:40.13 | Shirik | now, in fact |
| 15:40.18 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, a mad momma is the best weapon. |
| 15:40.36 | Lopeppeppy | "You made this mistake, now my son who is away at school can't even eat. Fix it, now!" |
| 15:40.41 | Shirik | rofl, I can eat |
| 15:40.56 | Lopeppeppy | Not the way she's gonna tell it, dear. :) |
| 15:41.53 | Kraps | "you have entered a no-flying zone, land or be immolated" |
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| 15:42.06 | Kraps | thats what it should say |
| 15:42.08 | Shirik | lol |
| 15:42.57 | alestane | "Mark Twain: Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." |
| 15:44.16 | Shirik | that is a really good line |
| 15:44.56 | Kraps | no one is running ahn'kahet :( |
| 15:48.09 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds contagious. |
| 15:48.29 | Shirik | omg email spam |
| 15:48.46 | erikd_ | hi everyone! how was everyone's (who celebrates it) holiday? |
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| 15:51.36 | Lopeppeppy | Boring, boring, cat, boring, freezing rain, boring. |
| 15:51.45 | Shirik | anyone have a recommendation on a program to create a CRL on Windows? |
| 15:51.59 | Shirik | I tried compiling gnutls through cygwin but I get linker errors |
| 15:52.17 | Hirsute | MinGW? |
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| 15:52.40 | Hirsute | http://www.mingw.org/ |
| 15:52.43 | Shirik | It's a unix utility |
| 15:52.55 | Shirik | iirc |
| 15:52.56 | Hirsute | Ah, okay. |
| 15:53.05 | Shirik | well it might not be |
| 15:53.18 | Shirik | however I think google found the problem |
| 15:53.22 | Shirik | I reverted cygwin from libgcrypt-1.4.1 to 1.4.0 and now it all works. |
| 15:53.22 | Shirik | There is apparently a bug in cygwin's libgcrypt-1.4.1, so if anyone |
| 15:53.22 | Shirik | else runs into it, now you know what to do!: ) |
| 15:53.32 | Hirsute | If you were just looking for compiling, MinGW is win. But if you need a unix environment within windows I think your choices are Cygwin, or a VM. |
| 15:53.35 | Hirsute | Glad you got it figured out. |
| 15:55.27 | Fisker- | Not the one i'm making |
| 15:56.11 | |Jelly| | :( |
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| 15:58.18 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Jelly! |
| 15:58.42 | |Jelly| | Morning sweetie! How are you?! |
| 15:58.51 | Shirik | morning |Jelly| |
| 15:58.51 | Lopeppeppy | Shiny. |
| 15:59.04 | |Jelly| | Morning Shirik! :) |
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| 16:02.28 | Anaral | *smirks* Bison updated, I got the email about it before it's been approved. :) |
| 16:06.17 | Kraps | how much does an epic flier cost? |
| 16:06.25 | alestane | Mount, or training? |
| 16:06.31 | cladhaire | Anaral: let me know if you just got the email again |
| 16:06.58 | Kraps | mount |
| 16:07.12 | alestane | 200g I think. |
| 16:07.25 | Anaral | Cladhaire Yes I did, he must have updated yesterday afternoon. :) |
| 16:07.38 | cladhaire | nah looks like a biug |
| 16:07.40 | cladhaire | i've reported it, thanks |
| 16:07.45 | Anaral | Okay |
| 16:08.45 | Anaral | Um, actually, it was, the first one I got was for 1.3.1, the latest awaiting approval is 1.4.0 |
| 16:10.28 | Seerah | yeah, iirc, Bison was updated last night |
| 16:11.57 | Anaral | I <3 Bison. It does exactly what I want it to do. Now if only I could find an addon that did the same thing for target buffs and debuffs. |
| 16:13.22 | Seerah | SBF |
| 16:13.41 | Anaral | But they aren't as compact and simple as Bison |
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| 16:14.13 | Anaral | I don't want bars, I just want the buttons, with the timer underneath and the stack count cleanly in the bottom right of the button. |
| 16:16.38 | Seerah | it's not just bars |
| 16:16.45 | Seerah | hubby uses it for just icons |
| 16:16.58 | Anaral | Hmm |
| 16:17.07 | Anaral | I'll look at it again. |
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| 16:22.24 | Shirik | wow, screw gnutls |
| 16:22.31 | Anaral | who? |
| 16:22.34 | Shirik | vista has a certificate manager now that does everything for you |
| 16:22.51 | Anaral | Heh |
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| 16:28.36 | Nom- | *sigh* bloody sound |
| 16:28.42 | Nom- | can't get it working no matter what configs i use |
| 16:31.30 | Nom- | only root can play audio |
| 16:32.48 | erikd | did you add yourself to the audio group and make sure that group has write access to the audio device? |
| 16:33.09 | erikd | group name depending on your distro, of course :) |
| 16:35.24 | Nom- | no audio group in fedora |
| 16:35.28 | Nom- | or sound |
| 16:44.02 | Anaral | Thank you Seerah, SBF will do just fine. :) |
| 16:44.09 | Seerah | :) |
| 16:44.22 | Seerah | you're welcome, dear |
| 16:51.26 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 16:51.41 | Shirik | When you install a new Root CA certificate, Windows gets really pissed at you :P |
| 16:51.50 | Shirik | "Are you really really REALLY sure?" |
| 16:54.23 | erikd | nom-: which group owns the sound devices, then? |
| 16:55.39 | Anaral | Hmm, the frame is still showing my buffs even though I changed targets. |
| 16:57.50 | Hirsute | Shirik: When you install a new Root CA certificate, Vista often refuses to install it correctly, too. It's fun. |
| 16:58.03 | Shirik | Oh it installed it correctly, at least |
| 16:58.14 | Shirik | Well, it at least says my identity cert is valid now instead of unverifiable |
| 16:58.20 | Shirik | so I assume it's installed correctly |
| 16:58.44 | Hirsute | That's good. |
| 16:58.59 | Anaral | Seerah: When I select target under 'Units' None appears in both Buffs and Debuffs in frame... with no option to change frame. |
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| 16:59.25 | Seerah | I don't use it myself |
| 16:59.32 | Anaral | Oh |
| 16:59.33 | Hirsute | We have one at my school that needed to be installed in the Machine's certificate store, and every OS except vista automatically did that correctly. Vista would only install it in the User's store, unless you opened the MMC with the Cert snap-in and manually put it in the Machine's store. |
| 16:59.38 | Hirsute | Very, very irritating. |
| 16:59.53 | Seerah | sorry, Anaral |
| 17:00.06 | Anaral | No biggy. One day. :) |
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| 17:20.53 | Kraps | lmao love how the kid cant say cavalry |
| 17:21.09 | Kraps | Squire Percy |
| 17:21.21 | Lopeppeppy | It's a hard word, because there are two spellings and they get confused all the time. |
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| 18:05.17 | Lunessa | ... station. |
| 18:06.04 | Lunessa | Anyone care to relate the details to the mysterious motd? |
| 18:06.41 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa! |
| 18:07.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ~logs |
| 18:07.45 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 18:07.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: ^ :D |
| 18:08.24 | Lunessa | thanks. |
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| 18:09.46 | Lunessa | brb... reboot. |
| 18:09.55 | Lopeppeppy | That was short. |
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| 18:18.47 | Lopeppeppy | That, in fact, is done best with a stethoscope, zenzelezz. |
| 18:19.03 | Maldivia | hmm, I remember someone posting a screenshot at some point during the beta, of the companion/mount frame, but instead of the 12 icons, it was a list that included the name aswell - anyone know what addon did that, or if it was just a personal project ? |
| 18:19.31 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: sounds more fun without stethoscopes, just a bare ear |
| 18:19.54 | Lopeppeppy | You have your kink, I have mine. :P |
| 18:24.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: check out PetListPlus (or maybe its PetList+, i forget) |
| 18:31.43 | Shirik | Anyone use firefox enough to know why it's not trusting my SSL certificate? |
| 18:31.58 | Shirik | Internet explorer trusts it |
| 18:32.00 | Lopeppeppy | Because it's a tricky bastard? |
| 18:32.13 | Lopeppeppy | Are you using NoScript or any other addon blocking thingie? |
| 18:32.27 | sacarasc | does it not give a reason for not trusting it? |
| 18:32.33 | Shirik | yes, it doesn't trust the CA |
| 18:32.40 | Shirik | I added it to Vista's certificate manager though |
| 18:32.44 | Shirik | which is why IE accepts it |
| 18:33.03 | Lopeppeppy | Firefox could care less about what Vista thinks, you have to teach FF separately. |
| 18:35.20 | zenzelezz | just because your boss thinks a piece of code is good doesn't mean your coworkers will trust it |
| 18:35.56 | Shirik | But if your boss tells you to use a piece of code, will you use it? |
| 18:36.10 | Lopeppeppy | Not necessarily. |
| 18:36.11 | zenzelezz | not blindly |
| 18:36.21 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes I tell him to piss off and go do it my way, which is easier for me and better. |
| 18:36.52 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously, just add you site to the exception list, Shirik. |
| 18:36.59 | Shirik | I would |
| 18:37.03 | Shirik | but this needs to work for other people too |
| 18:37.07 | Codayus_ | Last time I looked into it, it was kind of a pain to make FF trust a cert remotely. :-/ |
| 18:37.36 | Shirik | well, to do it remotely I would hope I need a chain to someone like Verisign :) |
| 18:38.00 | Lopeppeppy | So do that. |
| 18:38.18 | Lopeppeppy | Or is it a version issue? What version FF are you running? |
| 18:38.20 | Codayus_ | Mmm, no, I meant like in a corporate environment, where you have root/admin access to all the machines, but don't want to wander around to each one. :-) |
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| 18:43.10 | Amarande | G'afternoon :) |
| 18:44.06 | Lopeppeppy | I wasn't there! |
| 18:44.34 | Hunter85 | is it possible for "SendAddonMessage" to send any String to a specified player? |
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| 18:45.27 | Amarande | well, I just lost 200g in a totally fail way heh |
| 18:45.51 | Hunter85 | valid types seems to be: "PARTY", "RAID", "GUILD", "BATTLEGROUND", "WHISPER" but they are of the type "String"... Wounder if I somehow can send coords for example |
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| 18:46.02 | Amarande | guess how I lost it? |
| 18:46.16 | Hunter85 | droped it? |
| 18:46.52 | Amarande | Hunter: sort of |
| 18:46.58 | Amarande | I'm in the process of getting the hell off Quel'dorei for good |
| 18:47.12 | Hunter85 | k |
| 18:47.16 | Amarande | so I'm having my alts sell off all the stuff that's soulbound or not worth keeping and sending the stuff worth keeping to my main |
| 18:47.20 | Amarande | and then deleting the alts |
| 18:47.25 | Amarande | guess what I forgot to do before deleting the first alt |
| 18:47.41 | Amarande | sent all the items, then I forgot about the money :P |
| 18:47.42 | Lopeppeppy | Send the money to your main! |
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| 18:49.10 | Amarande | and it's not even like I can transfer my main till tomorrow! |
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| 18:51.03 | Lopeppeppy | Why not, amarande? |
| 18:51.05 | Amarande | I feel bad for this guy in trade chat |
| 18:51.11 | Amarande | Lopeppeppy: still have active auctions |
| 18:51.20 | Hunter85 | I guess you will survive 200g |
| 18:51.21 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. |
| 18:52.15 | Hunter85 | I bought crapy items for 5k g right before WotLK. That was a waist ^^ |
| 18:54.12 | Maldivia | NightHawk: thanks, think that was it |
| 18:55.01 | |Jelly| | There an AH in Dalaran? |
| 18:55.45 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly - Nope |
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| 19:01.10 | Amarande | lord, people are still QQing about the gnome who got "cheated" out of his server eng first? |
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| 19:01.50 | Lopeppeppy | They're still QQing about the guy who got banned, too. |
| 19:01.57 | zenzelezz | gnomes must hit 465 to get first? |
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| 19:06.38 | duaiwe | zenzelezz: yes |
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| 19:07.06 | Amarande | people seem to just like to QQ |
| 19:07.12 | NightHawkTheSane | you would know. ;) |
| 19:07.32 | Hirsute | Ooooh, who got banned, and for what? |
| 19:08.01 | NeoTron | isn't it fair and square to hit 465? it's not "hit 450", it's "hit max".. |
| 19:08.30 | Pizik | It is fair |
| 19:09.11 | NeoTron | afaik you also skill faster (at least with gathering) with bonus skill |
| 19:11.10 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: well, with a crafting it's slightly tougher, as you have to make more higher level/expensive/tougher items to skillup |
| 19:12.16 | Xiro | is anyone aware of a method to get the arena rating portion of an items extended cost.. I can get arena/honor points as well as item currency info.. just not the actual arena rating displayed in the tooltip |
| 19:12.34 | Xiro | I'm looking to grab the numerical value right after "Requires personal and team arena rating of <insert rating here>" |
| 19:12.50 | Arrowmaster | Xiro: scan the tooltip |
| 19:13.01 | Xiro | k, that's what I started doing |
| 19:13.45 | Duman | peppy: I can has sunshine? :) |
| 19:14.06 | Lopeppeppy | Duman, come get it. Saratoga Springs, NY. |
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| 19:15.24 | Duman | hehe |
| 19:17.38 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: what I wonder though, is that actually true? |
| 19:17.54 | NeoTron | since with gathering you skill up based on your REAL skill level, not the "enhanced" skill level |
| 19:18.11 | NeoTron | which is why it's easier to skill up (larger range of things you can pick to skill up) |
| 19:18.17 | Amarande | Hirsute: apparently, the first person to hit 80 got suspended and reset to 70 because he was deemed to have used an exp exploit |
| 19:18.26 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: hm. good point, i don't know, i just assumed recipes turned yellow/green/grey based on your "adjusted" skill |
| 19:18.48 | Hirsute | Amarande: Huh. I'll have to look that up. What exactly did he do that was exploitatious? |
| 19:19.23 | Arrowmaster | Hirsute: tagging a mob and having people out of group kill it |
| 19:19.33 | Hirsute | Ah. |
| 19:20.44 | Amarande | you know, I wonder if they gave him back his 70 gear when they reset him |
| 19:20.55 | Amarande | or if they just kicked him back out into shattrath naked because he wouldn't have met the requirements for his gear anymore :) |
| 19:21.25 | Arrowmaster | i dont think he had any gear upgrades |
| 19:21.43 | EndeavourEU | Guess thousands of people asked before: is there any dewdrop-3.0? (i just don't like EasyMenu/BlizzardDropdown or Ace3Config) |
| 19:21.49 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 19:22.00 | Pizik | That sucks, its hardly exploiting :oS |
| 19:22.01 | EndeavourEU | simple, but useful. thanks, Arrowmaster |
| 19:22.54 | EndeavourEU | And FuBarPlugin-3.0/DewDrop-2.0 is still not 100% working together? |
| 19:23.26 | EndeavourEU | ...tested, but the FuBar default menus (profile, position, showtext, showicon etc) do not appear |
| 19:24.45 | Arrowmaster | LibFuBarPlugin-3.0 has never worked with DewDrop-2.0 |
| 19:24.52 | EndeavourEU | it does. |
| 19:24.57 | Arrowmaster | infact it should be erroring if you try |
| 19:25.07 | EndeavourEU | it doesn't. |
| 19:25.14 | EndeavourEU | really := |
| 19:25.16 | Arrowmaster | turn on ui errors |
| 19:25.16 | EndeavourEU | :) |
| 19:25.23 | EndeavourEU | they are turned on. |
| 19:25.32 | Arrowmaster | it calls a function that doesnt exist, it should be erroring |
| 19:26.04 | EndeavourEU | are you talking about addimpliedoptionsmenu() ? |
| 19:26.38 | Arrowmaster | i forget which |
| 19:26.38 | Arrowmaster | but yeah i think |
| 19:28.44 | Shirik | woot, I have been promoted |
| 19:28.52 | Shirik | first time I've ever gotten a 500 error on my server :P |
| 19:28.52 | EndeavourEU | really, did a test right now. no errors. |
| 19:28.52 | Shirik | I'm now officially ffing with things I shouldn't be |
| 19:29.05 | EndeavourEU | but, you are right. somwhow uncool to merge ace2 into it |
| 19:29.09 | EndeavourEU | its just... i miss dewdrop so much :( was my favourite lib. EasyMenu just sucks :( |
| 19:29.16 | Arrowmaster | use LDB and dewdrop instead then |
| 19:29.27 | EndeavourEU | Arrowmaster, do you know how to reclaim addons wich are assigned to wowaceDev since ace/curse merge? |
| 19:29.35 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 19:30.03 | EndeavourEU | please, share your wisdom :D |
| 19:30.09 | Arrowmaster | you ask me |
| 19:30.13 | EndeavourEU | oh |
| 19:30.13 | Arrowmaster | and i transfer it |
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| 19:43.38 | TecnoBrat | Arrowmaster, from what I understand, it was more than just out of group .. he was doing instances (which have increased XP per kill), and tagging something, kicking everyone from the group, they all kill it, and he gets like 7k XP per kill |
| 19:44.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 19:45.13 | TecnoBrat | if he was just running around the world, having them kill random mobs, I doubt they would have reset him |
| 19:45.27 | Amarande | I thought he was doing the respawn abuse thing |
| 19:45.27 | Amarande | for which people apparently also were getting suspended and reset |
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| 19:47.54 | Hirsute | Despawn abuse? |
| 19:48.01 | Amarande | Respawn abuse |
| 19:48.12 | Amarande | there were areas where mobs were respawning much faster than they were supposed to, or something like that |
| 19:48.49 | Amarande | that was handled kinda badly, I think, because a lot of folks would hear about it, go there, see 'hey these mobs respawn pretty fast! I'll grind here' and then find that they either stopped giving exp, or if they got exp, Blizzard took it away |
| 19:49.00 | Amarande | and if they complained, they said 'you are leveling up in a way we didn't intend. please go questing' |
| 19:49.16 | Amarande | at least, that's how I recall it |
| 19:49.25 | Hirsute | Ah |
| 19:50.00 | Amarande | in any case, you didn't have to do anything obviously bad to be exploiting that one (unlike the first 80, who was pretty blatant with his) |
| 19:50.35 | Amarande | you were pretty much expected to know and understand that something wasn't right with the spawn rate and stop grinding there |
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| 19:52.29 | Movix | hello everybody, i have a unanwered question about the calendar. I can not figure out what api to call before retrieving the calendar events. Only after opening the blizzard calendar i got a complete list of all events. before opening it i only get the PLAYER events |
| 19:53.07 | TecnoBrat | Amarande, that doesn't make sense ... the respawns are based on how many chars are in a given area ... so by design if a lot of people are there, mobs respawn almost instantly |
| 19:53.18 | TecnoBrat | not sure how you can ban people for "exploiting" that |
| 19:53.27 | Amarande | TecnoBrat: I'm really not sure if that's true about respawns |
| 19:53.55 | Amarande | case in point: the time I was doing The Ranger Lord's Behest on my warlock |
| 19:54.03 | Amarande | EPL, way before 3.0 |
| 19:54.08 | Amarande | I don't think even 2.4 was out at the time |
| 19:54.22 | Amarande | and yet, the elves I had to kill my way through to get the book part of the quest respawned like tribbles |
| 19:54.47 | Amarande | even though during the 2.x days, EPL was usually a ghost town |
| 19:54.59 | TecnoBrat | well, respawns have some sort of population multiplier ... or maybe its kills / hour .. or something ... but they are definitely effected by either population or kill rate |
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| 19:55.44 | Amarande | TecnoBrat: I assume they seem affected by kill rate because, IIRC, mobs respawn X amount of time after you kill them |
| 19:55.57 | Amarande | so the more often you kill mobs, the more often you're starting the spawn timer for new mobs |
| 19:56.16 | TecnoBrat | no thats not true .. because mobs have a set corpse despawn time |
| 19:56.27 | TecnoBrat | and sometimes they respawn way before they have despawned |
| 19:56.30 | TecnoBrat | sometimes way after |
| 19:56.37 | TecnoBrat | on the same mob |
| 19:56.42 | Amarande | and I never saw say Zeth'Gor seem to get any harder or any easier depending on how many people were there |
| 19:56.44 | Lunessa | Movix: That sounds like "working as designed" since the calendar doesn't check your guild affiliation until it's opened. Check the calendar files on wowcompares.com and see what the base calednar does. |
| 19:57.38 | Amarande | wow, this guy's semi-QQ on the WoW forums goes to the point of jerkdom |
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| 19:57.49 | Movix | that's what i did, but i think i have to get more time on it. especially the raid resets are what i want to retrieve, and those are not guild dependent |
| 19:57.52 | Duman | jerks? on the forums?!?! NEVAR! |
| 19:57.58 | Amarande | he's basically like: "yeah, there's something wrong there, but it shouldn't be fixed because people already got the achievement despite the bug and it's SUPPOSED TO BE HARD" |
| 19:58.01 | Lunessa | Amarande: In Sholazar Basin there's a horde of fast-spawning undead. I thought "Man, level-grinding nirvana!" Only.. they give no exp. |
| 19:58.41 | Lunessa | Movix: Those should be character specific, but I'm not well-versed in the calendar API. |
| 19:58.43 | Amarande | translation: "I got the achievement now, when it's really hard, so even though some things about it probably really are bugged, it shouldn't be fixed because then people would have an easy ride and I didn't" |
| 19:58.56 | Amarande | :| |
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| 19:59.10 | Amarande | apparently, it's concerning how the Loremaster achievements for old world are bugged |
| 19:59.14 | Movix | thx lunessa, i will look closer to the original coede |
| 19:59.19 | Amarande | or were as of WotLK launch |
| 19:59.22 | Amarande | don't know if they've fixed it |
| 20:00.03 | Amarande | apparently, there's a fairly large number of quests in Kalimdor that should count but aren't |
| 20:00.24 | Amarande | but this one guy is a real jerk, admitting this but then saying it shouldn't be fixed because he got the achievement anyway, and basically he doesn't want later people to have an easy ride when he didn't :P |
| 20:00.49 | Amarande | that's just like the folks who complained when 2.3 came out because newer people had an easier time to get to 60 and they didn't :| |
| 20:01.01 | p3lim | bear tanking ring, need some help |
| 20:01.07 | p3lim | which one of these two? http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=42643;37784 |
| 20:01.20 | Hirsute | The QQ never ceases to amaze me. |
| 20:01.39 | Amarande | p3lim: keystone. |
| 20:01.44 | Amarande | dont even consider the other one |
| 20:02.04 | Amarande | as a druid, you're uncrittable anyway, so defense rating loses a lot of value compared to a warrior, paladin or DK tank |
| 20:02.13 | p3lim | defense is still dodge |
| 20:02.32 | p3lim | but its minor |
| 20:02.38 | Amarande | therefore, I'd go for the dodge, as well as the armor rating that gets multiplied every which way as a bear, and most importantly, the stam |
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| 20:03.37 | Amarande | hmm, you don't realize how small a bank with seven 18 slot bags is until you move all the stuff from four former alts over to it |
| 20:04.49 | Amarande | or how fail some players are |
| 20:05.00 | Amarande | I just inspected a priest next to me in zangarmarsh ... +7 weapon damage enchant on his staff :| |
| 20:05.11 | sacarasc | yay! |
| 20:05.52 | Amarande | oh, and +7 agility on gloves! |
| 20:06.17 | NeoTron | becoming uncrittable as a DK tank is a lot of hard work |
| 20:06.29 | foxlit | Meh |
| 20:06.34 | foxlit | I just let my combat log do it for me |
| 20:06.35 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, maybe he was leveling enchanting? I have some ridiculous enchants on my DK |
| 20:06.38 | foxlit | Haven't seen a crit in ages! |
| 20:06.45 | Duman | heh |
| 20:06.49 | NeoTron | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kilrogg&n=Morasia figure with the trniket off patchwerk I'd get there |
| 20:07.15 | NeoTron | Amarande: note that the armor rating wont' be multiplied much longer |
| 20:07.25 | Amarande | yeah, he -is- a chanter |
| 20:08.32 | Amarande | ah, cool, they changed the armory too |
| 20:09.21 | NeoTron | not having defense in weapon, shield and ranged slots means a lot of focus in other slots |
| 20:10.14 | Amarande | oh, neat. I like this: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Quel%27dorei&n=Alvaerin |
| 20:10.46 | foxlit | So what's the current hit outcome theory, then? |
| 20:10.53 | foxlit | You roll to hit, and then you roll to crit? |
| 20:10.57 | Amarande | foxlit: yeah |
| 20:11.12 | Amarande | well, basically |
| 20:11.28 | foxlit | And I suppose that crushing is determined by the first roll. |
| 20:11.37 | Amarande | crit chance overwrites part of the 'regular hit' part of the hit table |
| 20:11.46 | Amarande | but can't exceed the portion that is normally allocated to hitting |
| 20:11.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i think that only applies to special attacks.. |
| 20:11.57 | foxlit | Which portion? |
| 20:12.06 | NightHawkTheSane | (the two-roll method, that is) |
| 20:12.10 | Amarande | foxlit: you can, with enough crit rating, make every hit a critical hit |
| 20:12.22 | Amarande | but you can't increase your hit chance by having a crit chance that's higher than your hit chance |
| 20:12.38 | foxlit | So 12% crit is 12% crit, no matter how much you miss. |
| 20:12.48 | Amarande | in theory anyway, I'm not sure there's actually enough crit rating available for any class :) |
| 20:12.56 | Amarande | foxlit: 12% crit is 12% crit, as long as you have at least a 12% hit chance |
| 20:13.11 | Amarande | if, say, you had only a 5% chance to actually hit, then you would still hit 5% of the time, which would always be a critical hit |
| 20:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ wowmatrix news |
| 20:13.17 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, http://www.wowwiki.com/Attack_table as far as I know this is still considered to be accurate |
| 20:13.26 | Amarande | at least, that's how it works for YOU |
| 20:13.27 | ZorbaTHut | basically, crit pushes hit off the table |
| 20:13.43 | Amarande | it might work different for mobs attacking you, I'm not sure off the top of my head |
| 20:14.18 | Tekkub | wowmatrix news? |
| 20:14.39 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: I suppose the only change is the new diminishing returns stuff |
| 20:14.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13129157863&sid=1 |
| 20:15.11 | Amarande | hmm, I'm really not sure that putting the stats page up like this is a good idea |
| 20:15.12 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Quel%27dorei&n=Alvaerin |
| 20:15.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: sadly I think those "CS students" are entirely broken and retarded |
| 20:15.15 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's negative press |
| 20:15.34 | Amarande | I'm not sure it's a good idea at all for the armory to give people a notion of how much gold people have :) |
| 20:15.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: why? |
| 20:15.59 | Amarande | Scythe: makes it easier for hackers to decide what characters to target |
| 20:16.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: lol? |
| 20:16.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Do they advertise your account name and password? |
| 20:16.34 | ZorbaTHut | hackers don't really target specific accounts, they just sort of grab everything they can |
| 20:16.41 | Amarande | Scythe: no, but then, the armory never did, and hackers still managed to target guild leaders in particular a while ago |
| 20:16.55 | foxlit | Suppose you were really evil, and had a heckload of grabbed usernames/passwords |
| 20:17.00 | Lopeppeppy | Guild leadership is tagged in the armory, always has been. |
| 20:17.01 | ScytheBlade1 | That's social engineering |
| 20:17.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Has nothing to do with the amount of gold on the armory |
| 20:17.17 | ScytheBlade1 | They MAY target GLs more |
| 20:17.18 | foxlit | To avoid problems, you'd want to sweep high-value accounts in one large go. |
| 20:17.31 | ScytheBlade1 | But... it really won't change much at all period |
| 20:17.37 | foxlit | Rather than just continually grabbing everything. |
| 20:17.41 | Amarande | of course, if people would just STOP BUYING GOLD |
| 20:17.46 | Amarande | we'd have a lot less trouble with hackers :) |
| 20:18.01 | ZorbaTHut | the stats are oddly bugged |
| 20:18.08 | ZorbaTHut | I've got a nonzero number of 3v3 arena killing blows |
| 20:18.14 | ZorbaTHut | but I've literally never been in any arena ever |
| 20:18.18 | Amarande | Zorba: and some stats will never be really usable |
| 20:18.29 | Amarande | particularly, say, some to do with DK's |
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| 20:18.36 | ZorbaTHut | so unless someone hacked my account, joined an arena team, arena'ed a bit, then quit it, I'm quite confused |
| 20:18.36 | Amarande | 'largest damage blow' comes to mind |
| 20:18.51 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, yeah, that one's kind of hilarious, considering that it counts all the wacky quests where you're dropping bombs |
| 20:18.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ZorbaTHut: skirmish rounds? |
| 20:18.59 | Amarande | you will never get a really accurate notion for that on a DK's stats, because it will always be something you did during the light's hope quest where you were super powered up |
| 20:19.07 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, nope, no arena of any form |
| 20:19.21 | Amarande | of course, I just deleted my DK, anyway |
| 20:19.34 | EndeavourEU | where to download LDB? |
| 20:20.00 | Arrowmaster | ~ldb |
| 20:20.01 | purl | somebody said ldb was a WoW Library - A central registry for addons looking for something to display their data. http://github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/tree/master |
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| 20:20.57 | EndeavourEU | only 89 lines of code? oO |
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| 20:22.01 | foxlit | Like the goggles, it does pretty close to nothing :) |
| 20:23.48 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 20:23.49 | NightHawkTheSane | ~foxlit++ |
| 20:24.59 | Lyn | mikma, http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/ |
| 20:25.34 | haste | he has already seen that one! |
| 20:25.40 | Lyn | damn |
| 20:25.40 | Lyn | :< |
| 20:26.00 | Lyn | http://thingsididlastnight.com/ this one too? |
| 20:26.14 | Kaso | http://kotaku.com/5100159/black-mesa-trailer-is-some-hot-shit |
| 20:26.18 | Kaso | That url really says it all ^ |
| 20:26.29 | Amarande | ~karma amarande |
| 20:26.29 | purl | amarande has neutral karma |
| 20:26.51 | haste | ~karma haste |
| 20:26.51 | purl | haste has karma of -1 |
| 20:26.54 | haste | :-( |
| 20:27.06 | haste | ~Fisker--- |
| 20:27.08 | haste | revenge! |
| 20:27.18 | Slakah | ~karma slakah |
| 20:27.18 | purl | slakah has neutral karma |
| 20:27.30 | Fisker- | no haste |
| 20:27.33 | mikma | ping ping lyn |
| 20:28.00 | Lyn | purl: schimanski is mikma also known as mikmanski |
| 20:28.01 | purl | okay, Lyn |
| 20:28.05 | Lyn | ~schimanski |
| 20:28.06 | purl | schimanski is probably mikma also known as mikmanski |
| 20:28.28 | mikma | go george |
| 20:28.34 | haste | ~george |
| 20:28.34 | purl | well, george is gwright@kde.org and a KDE devel |
| 20:28.43 | Lyn | :o |
| 20:28.44 | haste | aw, I was hoping for something witty |
| 20:28.58 | Lyn | ~lederhosen |
| 20:28.59 | purl | hmm... lederhosen is lyn, scheisse, lederhosen! SCHIMANSKI! |
| 20:29.05 | Lyn | lol |
| 20:29.39 | Daemona | o.O |
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| 20:30.39 | haste | oh fuck, now I remember what I forgot to do earlier today |
| 20:30.47 | haste | *pays the rent* |
| 20:30.53 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, hey, i should do that |
| 20:31.13 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hey, we all should. :) |
| 20:32.11 | Thunder_Child | but i hate getting out my kneepads |
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| 20:32.50 | KarlKFI | ... |
| 20:32.58 | Tem|work | oh god my sides |
| 20:32.59 | Tem|work | http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=108395&title=Prince-Charles-Scandal |
| 20:32.59 | KarlKFI | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 20:32.59 | purl | crushes Thunder_Child with a full height scsi disk |
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| 20:33.13 | Thunder_Child | it only works if you get it people, and a thanks to KarlKFI |
| 20:33.21 | Thunder_Child | for getting it |
| 20:33.31 | haste | oh damn it java |
| 20:33.51 | haste | it crashed my firefox, and on the laptop the laptop actually turned itself of |
| 20:33.54 | haste | f |
| 20:34.28 | KarlKFI | yeah you better weed that garden TC |
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| 20:45.44 | NeoTron | so I need 45 more defense rating to become uncrittable. not an unreachable goal |
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| 20:47.23 | Thunder_Child | wtf, dir has suddenly turned into Get-Childitem |
| 20:48.20 | Shirik | Heh |
| 20:48.27 | Shirik | I love errors/warnings that have a !? at the end |
| 20:48.37 | Shirik | it makes it sound like "do you have any idea wtf you're doing?" |
| 20:48.45 | Shirik | and tbh the answer is no >< |
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| 20:49.56 | Thunder_Child | oh ffs, microsoft is fucking up |
| 20:49.57 | Tem|work | Shirik: :) |
| 20:50.07 | Tem|work | Thunder_Child: how is this new? |
| 20:50.12 | Lopeppeppy | TC, we knew that. |
| 20:50.13 | Thunder_Child | in windows 7 |
| 20:50.54 | Thunder_Child | this windows powershell is retarded |
| 20:51.12 | Amarande | hmm |
| 20:51.24 | Amarande | are PvP servers really as bad as they're rumored to be? |
| 20:51.43 | Shirik | no |
| 20:51.44 | Amarande | or is it mostly just disgruntled rumor from people who've had a particularly bad day with gankers? |
| 20:51.55 | Shirik | those rumors are from people that don't like pvp servers and/or rolled on them for the wrong reasons |
| 20:52.01 | Shirik | I complain almost daily about how I'm on a pve server |
| 20:52.09 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, it depends on both the person, the server, and their general activities |
| 20:52.16 | Amarande | heh, really the only time I get annoyed about being on a PvE server is when Alliance ninja my stuff |
| 20:52.25 | Shirik | however |
| 20:52.26 | ZorbaTHut | I occasionally get annoyed by gankers, but they rarely hang around to camp your corpse unless you're an idiot and keep respawning instantly |
| 20:52.33 | Shirik | DO expect to be killed by 70s when you're 30 |
| 20:52.36 | Shirik | er, 80s now I guess |
| 20:52.41 | ZorbaTHut | more often than not I end up running into some Horde dude, we both just sort of eye each other warily and head in different directions. |
| 20:52.43 | Shirik | But not every 5 minutes or something |
| 20:52.56 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, once in a while you'll have some ?? dude jump you, and, welp |
| 20:52.58 | ZorbaTHut | I just /dance at them |
| 20:52.58 | Shirik | hell half the time I encountered a 60 while leveling, we just waved and went on. Maybe killed me once and that's it |
| 20:53.24 | Shirik | there are jerks, but what else is new |
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| 20:57.22 | mikma | well i generally killed all hordes i came across when i was in pvp server |
| 20:57.28 | mikma | they did the same for me when we leveled |
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| 21:02.57 | pompy | On my server, Alliance are the WORST! |
| 21:03.05 | pompy | all they do is gank |
| 21:03.31 | Corr-work | your mom is WORST |
| 21:03.39 | pompy | :O |
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| 21:06.35 | ccox | pompy - that's normal on a PvP server |
| 21:06.52 | ccox | pompy - the kids who tend to play alliance take ganking seriously |
| 21:07.28 | ccox | pompy - and the older guys playing horde will spar with others, but don't tend to go out of their way to gank (unless they're taking an entire alliance city) |
| 21:09.28 | opant2 | you realize you just clumped old people and horde together? |
| 21:09.33 | opant2 | thats scurry |
| 21:09.56 | ccox | horde players tend to be older than alliance players |
| 21:10.09 | ccox | though it's evened out a bit from how it used to be |
| 21:10.53 | Lunessa | PvP servers were different animals back before Battlegrounds and Arena. in '04, PvP servers were unmitigated gank-fests, |
| 21:11.08 | ccox | true |
| 21:11.23 | ccox | now I can go to a battleground when I feel the need to kill something that fights back |
| 21:11.55 | opant2 | ...but what about the thrill of beating down a defenseless player. |
| 21:12.27 | Lunessa | If that's a thrill, seek medication. |
| 21:12.57 | opant2 | I'm already on medication and its not helping :> |
| 21:14.25 | pompy | If you ever come across an alliance player in teh guild "Clannad", you better run lol. |
| 21:15.02 | Gnarfoz | ccox: generalize much? |
| 21:16.25 | ccox | Gnarfoz: no, I notice patterns a lot |
| 21:16.33 | Gnarfoz | might be, and you're wrong. |
| 21:16.34 | NeoTron | ccox: frankly I think that's false. I've played mostly on alliance but the time I played on a horde pvp server, I saw a lot more immaturity and young players |
| 21:17.03 | Gnarfoz | because you don't have numbers to back up those generalizations you pulled out of thin air ^^ |
| 21:17.04 | NeoTron | but might ofc be more related to it being pvp |
| 21:17.11 | ccox | I've played both on several servers (testing addons, goofing off) - what I said holds across every server |
| 21:17.17 | Gnarfoz | yeah, yeah |
| 21:17.23 | ccox | Gnarfoz: nope, I don't, and I don't think blizzard even has those numbers |
| 21:17.24 | Gnarfoz | "testing addons, goofing off" is a really good metric |
| 21:17.53 | Gnarfoz | I woulnd't know where they'd get birth dates, either, so that's probably true |
| 21:17.59 | ccox | Gnarfoz: it gets me around more servers than most players, and I do try to level toons and see what it's like |
| 21:18.11 | Gnarfoz | sure, so you've played US and EU? |
| 21:18.41 | foxlit | How many level 80 kids are running around, I wonder |
| 21:18.44 | ccox | Gnarfoz: you'll get some immaturity on both sides, but play long enough and patterns emerge |
| 21:18.46 | Gnarfoz | stop making up generalized statements and we'll stop giving you a hard time :P alliance = horde, in every regard :) |
| 21:18.49 | ccox | foxlit: too many |
| 21:19.00 | Pneumatus | except horde are uglier. |
| 21:19.10 | foxlit | Too few, imo. Haven't really seen any. |
| 21:19.14 | ccox | Gnarfoz: sorry, but I really haven't seen that - there really is a visible difference |
| 21:19.16 | Gnarfoz | I play long enough to know that both sides have every kind of player, in equal amounts (oh wait, now I'm making up numbers... see what that's like?) |
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| 21:19.44 | Gnarfoz | I doubt you've interacted with 1000 players, let alone the ~12k on each realm... :p |
| 21:20.38 | ccox | Gnarfoz - maybe 500 on most realms, well over 1000 on realms I take seriously |
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| 21:22.43 | Amarande | actually, horde have a lot easier time getting started |
| 21:23.18 | Amarande | except for maybe the undead starting area (maybe the tauren, but that doesn't look too bad either, I just haven't actually tried a tauren) the 1-10 experience is way easy |
| 21:23.30 | ccox | yeah, undead starting blows |
| 21:23.43 | Amarande | alliance starting areas blow like a Hoover stuck in reverse, though |
| 21:23.51 | ccox | tauren is similar, but a bit more straightforwardr |
| 21:24.05 | Amarande | belf and orc starting areas are easy, though |
| 21:24.15 | ccox | Amarande: yeah, there are a few problems (like humans at a certain level have to stumble over the quests, no guidance) |
| 21:24.18 | NeoTron | tauren starting area feels like a lot more running |
| 21:24.19 | Amarande | the only alliance starting area that's halfway reasonable is the draenei one that I can tell, though |
| 21:24.35 | ccox | Blood Elf and Dranai are pretty similar - and quick |
| 21:24.35 | Amarande | ccox: yeah, I started a human and ended up eking out 7-10 or so in the dwarf area and going to bloodmyst |
| 21:24.39 | NeoTron | regardless the older the content, the worse it is for the most part |
| 21:24.49 | Amarande | I wonder if they expected people would group while starting out |
| 21:24.52 | NeoTron | draenei/be is much better than the other starting areas and of course DK is the bestest |
| 21:24.54 | Lopeppeppy | Everything improves with age, except a dirty diaper. |
| 21:25.03 | ccox | NeoTron: agreed |
| 21:25.11 | Amarande | an assumption which I'm supposing Blizzard has ceased to have, judging by the restrictions they place on grouping etc. with trial accounts in particular |
| 21:25.36 | ccox | I don't know why Blizzard hasn't filled in the holes in the older starting areas |
| 21:25.58 | ccox | just "go to the farm SE of the mine" type guidance would help a lot |
| 21:26.27 | NeoTron | ccox: because it's a lot of work |
| 21:26.39 | Tem|work | really? |
| 21:26.45 | ccox | Do they expect everyone to use TourGuide? |
| 21:26.46 | Tem|work | Undead is my fastest time to 10 |
| 21:27.20 | Tem|work | (I've never leveled an undead toon higher than 29) |
| 21:27.20 | Beladona | 5 minutes? |
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| 21:27.48 | Tem|work | ~30 minutes to 5 ~1:05 to 10 |
| 21:28.02 | foxlit | ccox: entirely possible to level without anything, investment isn't worth the reward |
| 21:29.01 | Tem|work | Beladona: RAF is cheating =P |
| 21:29.12 | bleeter | so did the westfall/duskwood/redrige/stormwind chain end up being screwed, properly fixed or just minor adjustments? |
| 21:29.27 | Lopeppeppy | Which chain, bleeter? |
| 21:29.58 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: the one that introduces you to the 'other areas' when you're about halfway through westfall, and involves bolvar iirc |
| 21:30.20 | bleeter | the one I got beta forum banned for >< |
| 21:30.32 | Lopeppeppy | I think it involves the guy outside Stormwind, because I've recently done that run around and not needed Bolivar. |
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| 21:30.50 | bleeter | also curious about the defias quest that involved bolvar |
| 21:31.00 | bleeter | guy outside stormwind? the whole chain is 'plz come help' |
| 21:31.03 | foxlit | Varian inherits most quests |
| 21:31.10 | bleeter | some guy outside stormwind doesn't seem to fit right /shrug |
| 21:31.13 | bnovc | what does WTF stand for (the warcraft directory not the common usage)? |
| 21:31.13 | Amarande | I keep thinking that RAF means Royal Air Force |
| 21:31.14 | bleeter | ah |
| 21:31.21 | foxlit | bleeter: high commander! |
| 21:31.25 | foxlit | of stormwind defense. |
| 21:31.28 | foxlit | Fits just right. |
| 21:31.48 | bleeter | stormwind defense, outside? i thought that'd be offense |
| 21:31.59 | foxlit | Well, he's inside Stormwind, but not the city proper |
| 21:32.08 | foxlit | He's on the bridge. To some, that's reasonably "outside" |
| 21:32.09 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN |
| 21:32.13 | Amarande | (World of) Warcraft Text Files |
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| 21:32.54 | bnovc | Amarande: oh, thanks |
| 21:33.03 | bleeter | meh, not that I really care. ain't done more than log into the forums since late last week, and even then only briefly |
| 21:33.15 | bleeter | *early |
| 21:36.35 | Beladona | Tem|work: what is RAF? |
| 21:37.22 | bleeter | Beladona: Recruit A Friend program |
| 21:37.34 | Beladona | oh |
| 21:37.38 | Beladona | I dont have any friends |
| 21:38.11 | Beladona | the ones I manage to make always end up thinking I died whenever an expansion comes out |
| 21:38.20 | bleeter | friends a re over-rated |
| 21:38.27 | foxlit | http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7kr6e_mapple-the-simpsons_fun |
| 21:38.33 | foxlit | amusing :) |
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| 21:49.54 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: thats awesome :) |
| 21:52.39 | Fisker- | ooold |
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| 22:01.33 | Arsonide | Hey I need to make a very small adjustment to TomTom, I'm not going to release it or anything, but I have no idea what I'm looking for. I looked through the Lua File and found a function that deletes all of your current waypoints...but I can't find the function that is called when you click a coordinate in lightheaded or manually add a point. |
| 22:01.49 | Arsonide | Basically I just want it to clear all waypoints before it adds a point, so there is only one waypoint at any given time. |
| 22:02.35 | Arsonide | Do any of you know which file/where in the file I can find the function that adds a waypoint (either manual or from a link). |
| 22:05.08 | Dewin | Arsonide: No, but that sounds like a useful feature. (It's more in line with how I use Tomtom, actually.) Have you thought of posting it as a freq? |
| 22:05.32 | Dewin | not the change, just the request. |
| 22:07.48 | Arsonide | No I'm not familiar with how to post requests. It's just I've got a really nice UI setup, it's pretty basic with little additions (RothUI with DoubleWide and Mapster). I disabled the big "magic arrow" and just use the minimap arrows to navigate waypoints. |
| 22:08.09 | Arsonide | But I have to clear all waypoints every time cause they all look the same on the minimap. |
| 22:08.17 | NeoTron | frankly I use tomtom exactly the same way. never "keep" waypoints nowadays |
| 22:08.33 | Dewin | Arsonide: Find Tomtom, go to the comments page, ask. :) |
| 22:08.43 | NeoTron | although one thing I miss from cartographer waypoints is the queue so after you hit one waypoint, it movees to the next (and you can manually push them on the stack) |
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| 22:08.46 | Arsonide | on WowInterface? |
| 22:08.48 | Dewin | or catch whoever makes it (isn't it cladhaire?) and bug him here |
| 22:08.50 | bleeter | yup |
| 22:09.04 | Arsonide | I think it's cladhaire |
| 22:09.08 | Cairenn | it is |
| 22:09.15 | bleeter | cladhaire is pretty good at picking up the useful constructive comments |
| 22:10.37 | Dewin | bah, I hate when people update the curse copy of their addon but not the wowinterface one |
| 22:10.54 | Tem|work | bah |
| 22:11.06 | Tem|work | I hate when people update the curse copy of their addon |
| 22:11.18 | bleeter | i am more hardcore |
| 22:11.20 | bleeter | i ahte people |
| 22:11.24 | NightHawkTheSane | bah. |
| 22:11.24 | NightHawkTheSane | I hate. |
| 22:11.34 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: u |
| 22:11.42 | Cairenn | "People suck. Persons are frequently okay, but people suck." |
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| 22:13.29 | Thunder_Child | replace frequently with occasionaly or seldomly and i think it fits better |
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| 22:15.25 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/01/funny-pictures-cause-mischief-yes-no/ |
| 22:15.31 | Cairenn | bleeter: go for it :p |
| 22:15.49 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: hehehe, cute |
| 22:16.03 | zenzelezz | thank you, but what about the picture? |
| 22:16.26 | Cairenn | *grin* |
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| 22:18.56 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.58 | ScytheBlade1 | 54F |
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| 22:19.49 | kd3 | meh. it was snowing out here today |
| 22:20.06 | kd3 | even though it was above freezing... just squeezing the water out of the atmosphere |
| 22:20.44 | mikma | almost all snow has melted in here already |
| 22:21.32 | mikma | one week ago there was shitloads of it, now theres sone spots left |
| 22:22.02 | bleeter | Cairenn: nah, I won't.. I'll just recover this video from a backup I found from 2005 and upload it for your enjoyment -> http://users.on.net/~bleeter/whiteXmas.mov |
| 22:22.28 | Cairenn | you know, that's something I've often wondered, mikma ... has anyone ever quantified just how much is in a "shitload" ? |
| 22:23.06 | mikma | ~shitload |
| 22:23.06 | purl | Aiiieeeee! I'm drowning in it! |
| 22:23.15 | mikma | apparently much |
| 22:23.25 | Arsonide | I posted a comment. |
| 22:23.31 | Industrial | I got a Calamity's Grasp on Kel'Thuzad! |
| 22:23.43 | Cairenn | bleeter: rofl |
| 22:23.56 | Amarande | Cairenn: I believe it needs to be a kajillion square zillinches, or so |
| 22:24.06 | Cairenn | Amarande: heh |
| 22:24.13 | Tem|work | I wish it would snow here :( |
| 22:24.17 | Arsonide | I really just want which function adds waypoints, not a whole feature set or anything...cause there are a lot of functions in his Lua file that sound like they are the one that adds new waypoints. "NewWaypoint" "AddWaypoint" "ClickNewWaypoint" stuff like that. |
| 22:24.29 | bleeter | it's trying it's hardest to snow here, and we're in bloody Summer! |
| 22:24.42 | bleeter | ~weather ymhb |
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| 22:25.54 | bleeter | Weather: MOUNT WELLINGTON, TAS at 02nd 09:05am: Temp 0.4°C, Humidity: 99%, Wind: W at 63 km/hr with gusts of 91 km/hr. Atmospheric Pressure: - hPa. Rain: 0.0 mm. << yup, def. snow nearby |
| 22:26.16 | Tem|work | ~weather btr |
| 22:26.33 | mikma | ~weather ymca |
| 22:27.06 | Tem|work | ~weather klft |
| 22:27.41 | bleeter | mikma: lol ymca |
| 22:27.47 | Amarande | ~weather KDXR |
| 22:28.02 | Cairenn | ~weather wkrp |
| 22:28.04 | mikma | see! bleeter got it! |
| 22:28.57 | End | yay white polar bear |
| 22:29.09 | Tem|work | mikma: I got it, but I did my best to just ignore like you do a bad pun in a meeting |
| 22:29.38 | Amarande | did you know that polar bears actually have skin that's like, D&D drow elf black? |
| 22:29.47 | mikma | tem|work: well apparently you didnt ignore enough, aka. fail! |
| 22:29.56 | alestane | Amarande: Thermal Absorption |
| 22:30.25 | alestane | Solar gain rather. |
| 22:30.40 | Tem|work | Did you know that Vin Diesel plays D&D? |
| 22:30.41 | Cairenn | apparently no one is old enough to have caught mine :p |
| 22:30.43 | End | Amarande: his fur isn't black though! |
| 22:30.57 | alestane | Cairenn: Just, but I hadn't read them all. |
| 22:31.35 | alestane | I don't remember the show's content very well, but I remember its existence. |
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| 22:33.29 | alestane | ...in Cinncinati. |
| 22:33.35 | Cairenn | yup |
| 22:33.36 | alestane | sp* |
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| 22:36.42 | Thunder_Child | Tem|work, yes, but if he play a bard i think my brain will melt |
| 22:36.46 | Thunder_Child | plays* |
| 22:36.47 | Dreagar | Hey everyone! |
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| 22:37.10 | zenzelezz | bard should be the next hero class |
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| 22:37.32 | zenzelezz | "Brave sir Robin ran away, he ran, he ran away" |
| 22:38.48 | Dreagar | So i've got this problem. with my checkboxes. When you reloadUI and a checkbox (in the options panel) is checked.. it freezes that texture in place. in other words, no matter how many times you check and uncheck (that functionality works) it still has the check in the box. uncheck it, reloadUI and you can freely check and uncheck. make sense? |
| 22:38.53 | Dreagar | here's my code. http://pastey.net/103400 |
| 22:39.37 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, only if the bard class comes with coconuts |
| 22:39.39 | Dreagar | should i manually set the textures instead of using the template? |
| 22:39.57 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: yeah =) |
| 22:42.01 | Thunder_Child | "Do I need to pay a monthly fee ?" <- is not a complete question damit |
| 22:43.21 | alestane | It's a context-sensitive question. |
| 22:43.39 | Thunder_Child | it was by it'self |
| 22:43.49 | alestane | Is there a post title? |
| 22:44.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Is there an addon that puts how much of a given currency you have on your (and hopefully other) characters in that currency's tooltip? |
| 22:44.10 | NightHawkTheSane | or do i have to go and write one. >< |
| 22:44.17 | Dreagar | the texture for pressing the checkbox, works, as well as the highlight of the checkbox, but it never gets rid of the check if it's checked when you reloadUI. :( been thru everything a million times and blah |
| 22:44.57 | Dreagar | NightHawkTheSane: I know there's ones for fubar, but not sure if there's one that just adds it to the currency tooltip yet. |
| 22:45.13 | Thunder_Child | alestane, no, it's also not wow related if thats what you think |
| 22:45.29 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i want to be able to mouseover the emblem/whatever icon at a vendor and see in the tooltip how many i have :) |
| 22:45.40 | alestane | I thought someone might have been asking about Carbonite. |
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| 22:48.20 | Dreagar | argh. nothing i do works. :( |
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| 22:51.34 | Dreagar | it's like. if it's checked, and u reloadUI, its unchecked texture becomes the checked texture.. wtf. |
| 22:52.12 | Dewin | note to self: When using a can of compressed air to get dust out of the PC, do not inhale at the same time you pull the trigger. *coughs* |
| 22:52.31 | Dewin | I got the dust out of the computer and into my lungs. *coughs more* |
| 22:53.30 | |pez| | I lol at you ^^ |
| 22:54.38 | kd3 | ya... that's not a mistake that gets made often |
| 22:54.51 | Dewin | well, it was a complicated endeavor |
| 22:55.09 | Dewin | first I was using the can of air, but then I realized all's it's doing is relocating the dust |
| 22:55.13 | Dewin | so I busted out the vacuum cleaner |
| 22:55.22 | Dewin | Well, there are some parts the tube on the vacuum cleaner can't reach |
| 22:55.32 | Dewin | so... I had the idea that I'd use the can of air to 'nudge' the dust towards the vacuum |
| 22:56.19 | |pez| | I'll still lol at you ^^ |
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| 23:14.31 | Shirik | I have found an awesome security..... flaw? in Vista |
| 23:14.39 | Shirik | security flaw in that it's being too secure |
| 23:14.52 | Hunter85 | can I use && in lua? |
| 23:14.58 | Shirik | Hunter85: and |
| 23:15.02 | Hunter85 | k, ty |
| 23:15.17 | Shirik | When you create a certificate signing request in Vista, by default it throws out the private key. So when you get the certificate, you can't actually use it because you no longer have the private key. |
| 23:15.28 | Shirik | You need to specifically tell it to hold on to the private key |
| 23:35.32 | Lunessa | Shirik: Wait, you mean... they got something ALMOST right? |
| 23:35.40 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:35.52 | Shirik | At least the mistake they made doesn't harm security in any way |
| 23:35.57 | Shirik | it's actually more restricitve :) |
| 23:36.15 | Shirik | and it's not really a mistake... it just violates the rule of least surprise |
| 23:36.36 | Thunder_Child | http://img.ipost.com/client/d/despair/niceshotwail.jpg |
| 23:37.07 | Lunessa | Shirik: Don't mind me. I'm fighting with vista and domain issues today. Not to mention that my ATI drivers in this machine are occasionally BSODing the whole box. |
| 23:43.06 | bnovc | what is the relationship mathematically between the resolution of my game and the size of "1" unit when drawing? |
| 23:43.56 | Tem | To anyone leveling in howling fjord: Kill Shoveltusk families when they attack you and AH the shoveltusk flanks you get |
| 23:44.28 | Tem | I just got home from work and the stuff I put up last night all sold for 25g a stack |
| 23:45.20 | Tem | so I just made 75g off of my retribution on those fucking beasts |
| 23:46.40 | Tem | scratch that |
| 23:46.43 | Tem | 36g a stack |
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| 23:48.41 | sacarasc | what are shoveltusk flanks used for? |
| 23:50.06 | bnovc | when i setwidth on a texture, is that a percent? |
| 23:50.27 | Duman | sacarasc: tasty goodness |
| 23:50.45 | Duman | (spellpower food, and the "Feast" meal) |
| 23:50.48 | Duman | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43009#reagent-for |
| 23:50.54 | Hirsute | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43009#reagent-for |
| 23:50.59 | Hirsute | Dang... Duman beat me. |
| 23:51.15 | bnovc | no one knows about units :( |
| 23:51.23 | bnovc | unknown units suck |
| 23:54.20 | ZorbaTHut | bnovc, I seem to recall that the screen is always considered 768 units high, or something along those lines - "1" unit is a fixed vertical percentage |
| 23:54.38 | ZorbaTHut | I may be wrong on that |
| 23:54.57 | bnovc | and 1024 wide? |
| 23:57.12 | End | one or the other varies |
| 23:57.38 | End | (based on your screen shape) |
