| 00:00.21 | mikma | foxlit: its good for tanking, spreading stuff across the room |
| 00:00.30 | foxlit | It's a 2-minute cooldown spell |
| 00:00.44 | foxlit | If I need to move a caster, it's more likely Death Grip will be up |
| 00:00.51 | Pizik | The pull close thing is what screws me I think, even though I pop intimidate right after to get range, they seem to follow well |
| 00:01.06 | foxlit | Well, about time :) |
| 00:01.39 | mikma | uh |
| 00:01.51 | mikma | unholy dk's are fast |
| 00:02.14 | Pizik | It was unholy, the one with the minion |
| 00:02.25 | mikma | but that requires talentpoints |
| 00:03.05 | Pizik | So far I have only seen Blood and Unholy, not seen any Frost yet |
| 00:03.29 | mikma | thats because frost is mainly used for tanking |
| 00:04.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Anyone know the expertise cap at 80? |
| 00:04.28 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: you can find out! |
| 00:04.33 | foxlit | You have the technology! |
| 00:04.43 | amro | it's over 9000 anyway |
| 00:04.46 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 00:05.14 | mikma | over 9000?!?! |
| 00:05.17 | foxlit | The training dummies are going to be so brilliant for theorycrafting. |
| 00:05.55 | foxlit | I think I need to write a generic OnEvent addon |
| 00:06.19 | AnduinLothar | for what? |
| 00:06.23 | foxlit | That'd somehow cover everything without sucking from the covers-too-much syndrome. |
| 00:06.52 | Fisker- | my damage is over nine thousand |
| 00:07.24 | foxlit | AnduinLothar: for nothing in particular; there's multiple things that people seem to like to respond in some fashion to. |
| 00:08.08 | AnduinLothar | i wrote a LibEvents, but it's just like 1 function for creating an event frame using table.eventname() |
| 00:08.26 | foxlit | Oh, I don't want a library. |
| 00:08.41 | foxlit | (well, perhaps I do, but the end goal is users, not developers) |
| 00:09.06 | foxlit | There's lots of different cases where people for some reason want to do something after some event has occured |
| 00:09.19 | foxlit | For example, some tend to randomly /say things when casting things |
| 00:09.25 | AnduinLothar | well i thinkt eh problem for users is knowign what event they want |
| 00:09.29 | foxlit | Some tend to spam /p with "my taunt has been resisted" |
| 00:09.42 | foxlit | Or "I've interrupted this spellcast. Go me!" |
| 00:09.46 | AnduinLothar | there's a bunch of addons for that kidna thing |
| 00:10.04 | foxlit | Yeah, and that's what I'd probably want to get rid of |
| 00:10.23 | Pizik | Those users need a slap :oS |
| 00:10.43 | foxlit | Pizik: alternatively, some others may want to just silently drop every raid warning that begins with **** |
| 00:11.01 | Pizik | That would work ;o) |
| 00:11.19 | Fisker- | :# |
| 00:11.20 | Fisker- | :E |
| 00:11.25 | foxlit | and death? |
| 00:11.41 | Pizik | One that annoys me in PvP is "Blah has killed Blah for a stroke of 3" :oS id love to filter that |
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| 00:11.57 | foxlit | for a stroke of? |
| 00:12.14 | Wobin | inorite? =) |
| 00:12.19 | Pizik | Healers will love you Wobin ;o) |
| 00:12.24 | Wobin | ore is 1g cheaper than the bars |
| 00:12.25 | AnduinLothar | 80g is like nothing anymore |
| 00:12.43 | foxlit | "Most expensive bid on auction: 140g" |
| 00:12.59 | AnduinLothar | i've made 3kg getting from 70-77 |
| 00:13.02 | foxlit | Surprisingly, there's no "Gold spent on auctions" |
| 00:13.02 | AnduinLothar | jsut form quests |
| 00:13.08 | Tekkub | there needs to be |
| 00:13.24 | mikma | anduinlothar: thats a lie =/ |
| 00:13.26 | Tekkub | my "earned from auctions" is horribly inflated cause I can't deduct cost of goods sold |
| 00:13.33 | AnduinLothar | what's a lie? |
| 00:13.40 | mikma | 3k! |
| 00:13.43 | AnduinLothar | no it's not |
| 00:13.49 | mikma | i'd say 2k is closer |
| 00:14.00 | AnduinLothar | i have 1887 atm and i spent 1kg on flight |
| 00:14.01 | foxlit | Additionally, bossmods would fall nicely into "when this happens, start this timer" pattern |
| 00:14.03 | Wobin | ... why do I have 83 items pickpocketed? |
| 00:14.06 | Matrix110 | Somebody accused me of buying gold because i had "gold earned: 500g" and highest gold blabla 32.XXXg :D |
| 00:14.08 | foxlit | Get those to serialize to daa nicely |
| 00:14.08 | Wobin | as a DK? |
| 00:14.08 | AnduinLothar | and a some on mats |
| 00:14.33 | AnduinLothar | why does it matter whay class i am |
| 00:14.35 | foxlit | s/aa/ata/ |
| 00:15.54 | foxlit | It's funny, really. |
| 00:16.04 | foxlit | At some point, while I was 80, I had a positive healing balance as a death knight |
| 00:16.12 | foxlit | (healing done > healing received) |
| 00:16.17 | Wobin | bloodspec? = |
| 00:16.19 | Wobin | ) |
| 00:16.27 | foxlit | No, unholy |
| 00:16.31 | Wobin | hehe |
| 00:16.33 | Wobin | crazy |
| 00:16.37 | Tekkub | 22227.42.08 |
| 00:16.45 | foxlit | deathcoiling the ghoul is all I can think of |
| 00:17.02 | foxlit | Ghouls really need a survivability fix in instances :/ |
| 00:17.08 | Tekkub | I need something to spend 5.19.86 on... |
| 00:17.09 | mikma | i have done almost all quests in bored tundra and dragonblingbling and i have 1033g at level74 =/ |
| 00:17.52 | AnduinLothar | the quest start giving more $ |
| 00:18.05 | Tekkub | according to mine, 1416g from quests, 166 from loot |
| 00:18.11 | AnduinLothar | plus i have been doing mostly questing and not instancing much |
| 00:18.15 | Tekkub | I'm only 72 :P |
| 00:18.27 | foxlit | 666g looted |
| 00:18.35 | foxlit | 6534g from quest rewards |
| 00:18.43 | foxlit | but that's been tainted by dailies |
| 00:18.49 | Tekkub | 37891 from auctions ^^ |
| 00:19.05 | foxlit | Another 1.6k from vendors |
| 00:19.08 | AnduinLothar | ive been doing daily cookign quests, but that's it since lk |
| 00:19.20 | foxlit | I do the faction dailies |
| 00:20.06 | foxlit | The Ebon Blade repeatables are fun. |
| 00:21.13 | mikma | except the damn rapidshooter-quest |
| 00:21.29 | foxlit | That's also fun when you're alone |
| 00:21.39 | foxlit | Otherwise, it's a race-to-tag, which isn't very nice |
| 00:21.57 | foxlit | (just have to get used to harpoon trajectory and delay) |
| 00:22.12 | mikma | we usually party and try completing it fast |
| 00:22.15 | Tekkub | Kevin is buying a book on IRC... |
| 00:22.23 | foxlit | Yeah, that also works |
| 00:22.24 | Tekkub | to help him find a good logging bot.. |
| 00:22.26 | mikma | Bacon? |
| 00:22.35 | Tekkub | this is a guy that WRITES CODE FOR A LIVING |
| 00:23.03 | foxlit | perhaps that's also the reason, Tek. |
| 00:23.17 | mikma | tekkub: point him into eggdrop |
| 00:23.23 | foxlit | Presumably, you don't write code for fun if you write it for a living. |
| 00:23.39 | Tekkub | I'm just staying out of it unless he decides to pay me to set it up for him |
| 00:23.46 | Pizik | not entirely true foxlit |
| 00:23.50 | Tekkub | this is for work though |
| 00:23.55 | Tekkub | not fun |
| 00:24.44 | mikma | wut? |
| 00:24.54 | mikma | he's gonna log your workchat? |
| 00:24.58 | Tekkub | yes |
| 00:25.05 | mikma | oh shi... |
| 00:25.08 | Tekkub | because he's stupid OCD about logs |
| 00:25.23 | Tekkub | I'm sure he's also intending to run his own secure server |
| 00:25.32 | Tekkub | that could prolly just do serverside logs |
| 00:25.43 | Tekkub | because he likes fucking paranoid clients |
| 00:26.04 | foxlit | It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you |
| 00:26.23 | Tekkub | you should see the convoluted access control I've been writing into out shitty ticket system for him |
| 00:26.44 | Tekkub | foxlit, we wrote ID Watchdog's system |
| 00:27.07 | Tekkub | and it's full of so many holes because they keep adding retarded tracking pixels and shit |
| 00:27.29 | Tekkub | I'm so glad he doesn't have me work on their shit |
| 00:27.43 | foxlit | http://www.idwatchdog.com/ ? |
| 00:28.02 | Tekkub | da |
| 00:28.55 | Tekkub | you know those retarded "Video Professor" computer tutorials back in the day? |
| 00:28.58 | Tekkub | same people |
| 00:29.13 | foxlit | no, I'm blissfully unaware. Link some :) |
| 00:29.55 | Tekkub | "only on TV" things... CDs you tossed in your computer and it taught you Word 95! |
| 00:30.05 | Tekkub | and Windows 98! |
| 00:30.34 | Tekkub | barring of course you were smart enough to insert a CD and let it autoplay without crashing windows... |
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| 00:35.27 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13129886711&sid=1#6 |
| 00:35.28 | ScytheBlade1 | FAIL |
| 00:36.41 | batrick | no u fail |
| 00:38.31 | Fisker- | rofl |
| 00:38.40 | AnduinLothar | lol, bugged immune quest mob, has a half dozen people hitting him lvling unarmed skill |
| 00:38.46 | Fisker- | ScytheBlade1 that reminds me of that irc quote |
| 00:38.56 | Fisker- | if you type in your password it magically appears as stars! |
| 00:39.01 | Fisker- | My password is: ********** |
| 00:39.13 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 00:39.15 | Pizik | Tekkub: Maybe he is worried you will talk about his other clients like you are about ID Watchdog ;op |
| 00:39.43 | Tekkub | uh, everything I've told you you could find out on your own |
| 00:40.14 | Tekkub | and his other clients are actually quite nice |
| 00:40.18 | Pizik | Maybe so, but its one thing finding some crap on the web, and another having your employee telling people ;o) |
| 00:40.33 | foxlit | meh, they look like scum. |
| 00:40.39 | Tekkub | see! |
| 00:41.12 | Pizik | ID Watchdog sounds like a scam though :oS |
| 00:41.15 | Tekkub | they're just the type of biz that preys on old people that are afraid of technology |
| 00:41.17 | foxlit | And I'm surprised by some of the trademarks they claim to boast. |
| 00:41.26 | Tekkub | they have been since the video professor days |
| 00:41.29 | foxlit | Yeah, but do those people actually exist? |
| 00:41.43 | Tekkub | yea they do, and they have lots of money it seems |
| 00:41.47 | foxlit | I mean, you'd have to be at least in some way affected by technology to even find their website |
| 00:42.02 | Pizik | If you sign up to the service, then get your identity stolen, do they give you all your money back? ;op |
| 00:42.15 | Tekkub | yea, they're the types that are online, because of their kids, and are afraid people will steal their info online |
| 00:42.50 | Tekkub | Pizik, that I don't know, but I damn well bet you there's shit in the terms that makes them not liable |
| 00:43.08 | Pizik | im almost certain there will be |
| 00:43.13 | foxlit | it's not even theft, I think |
| 00:43.55 | mikma | fisker-: lets try it! my password is: fisker- is a idiot |
| 00:43.57 | Pizik | In the UK it is fraud, but there service probably counts as fraud also ;o) |
| 00:44.00 | mikma | oh shi... |
| 00:44.21 | foxlit | No, I mean they don't protect from theft |
| 00:44.21 | batrick | my password is: mikmaisfail |
| 00:44.30 | batrick | hey why isnt it stars |
| 00:44.37 | foxlit | Best case, they notify you if someone uses your name? |
| 00:44.43 | foxlit | on the internets? |
| 00:44.51 | Tekkub | from what I understand, yea |
| 00:45.00 | Tekkub | and then help you "resolve" it |
| 00:45.18 | foxlit | No doubt by sending threatening emails backed by absolutely nothing |
| 00:45.30 | Pizik | "If, against the odds, theres an identity breach on our watch, we promise to work on your behalf to restore your good name, allowing only the minimum possible impact on your time and your life. " We will send ONE letter |
| 00:45.34 | Tekkub | "We donât reimburse for out-of-pocket expenses, but if we do our job right, and we will, any monetary damages should be minimal." |
| 00:45.38 | Tekkub | yup... |
| 00:45.57 | Pizik | Scam lol |
| 00:46.10 | Tekkub | You have our word*. *No disclaimers are attached to this message. |
| 00:46.23 | Pizik | lol |
| 00:46.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:46.25 | foxlit | Well, to some extent, I suppose they could be protected by libel laws |
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| 00:47.24 | Tekkub | they scare people into paying them to invade their privacy, really |
| 00:47.33 | Pizik | It is legal, but so is "I will give you a million dollars*" "*I will not really give you a million dollars" |
| 00:47.50 | foxlit | "Watchdogâ patent-pending technology searches thousands of databases for your records. Every month, we search again, and compare your most recent data against a âbaseline identity profileâ that you have approved." |
| 00:47.54 | foxlit | we google you! |
| 00:47.58 | foxlit | monthly! |
| 00:48.05 | Pizik | lol |
| 00:48.14 | Tekkub | heh |
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| 00:50.22 | foxlit | And their prices are insane :/ |
| 00:50.35 | Tekkub | of course! |
| 00:50.39 | Fisker- | hey foxlit |
| 00:50.49 | foxlit | hey Fisker-. Why aren't you in your coffin? :)] |
| 00:50.50 | Fisker- | what does ragemeter say about my FUFUFUFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU LEVEL? |
| 00:50.52 | Tekkub | you have to pay top dollar for letmegooglethatforyou.com |
| 00:51.08 | foxlit | Fisker-: you've done over 9000 blood strikes. |
| 00:51.19 | Fisker- | i'm not a death knight :( |
| 00:53.02 | foxlit | You've obviously slain hundreds of death knights :) |
| 00:54.20 | Fisker- | btw |
| 00:54.21 | Fisker- | -detailquality:Set the detail quality of the game. (0-99) |
| 00:54.30 | Fisker- | Obviously we need a 100 different quality levels |
| 00:54.31 | Addybot | what about it? |
| 00:54.57 | Fisker- | Low, A little less low, a little less low than a little less low, a little less low than a little less low than a little less low, etc. |
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| 01:57.40 | Tekkub | my brain hurts |
| 01:57.44 | Tekkub | make it stop |
| 02:00.19 | kmcguire | I just noticed that it seems like right when you login. Doing a GetGuildInfo('player') may return '' for the guild name. Is there any suggestion to a way around this? Should I listen for another event besides ADDON_LOADED? |
| 02:00.28 | ccox | Tekkub - stop reading, that'll help |
| 02:03.44 | kmcguire | Ah, PLAYER_LOGIN. |
| 02:06.04 | abyx | when you first login you have no guild/tabard |
| 02:08.09 | cbreak | maybe PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE |
| 02:19.37 | kmcguire | I can try, player_guild_update. |
| 02:21.30 | |pez| | I'm gonna ask the stupidest question of the day! :D |
| 02:21.39 | |pez| | How do I actually apply gems to a socketed item? :P |
| 02:21.47 | |pez| | Yes, the gem and socket colors match. |
| 02:21.49 | keias | shift Right Click the item. |
| 02:22.05 | zenzelezz | |pez|: did you read the tooltip on the item you want to socket? :) |
| 02:22.07 | keias | Then drag-drop the gems. |
| 02:22.16 | |pez| | Oooh :D |
| 02:22.39 | |pez| | zenzelezz: ooh... there was lots of green text, so I didn't notice. -___-' |
| 02:22.42 | |pez| | Sorry XD |
| 02:22.43 | |pez| | thanks. |
| 02:24.17 | abyx | ugh i'm trying to make a UIDropDownMenu and for some reason the textures get all crazy on me |
| 02:24.51 | AnduinLothar | why, did you try changing the width or something? |
| 02:24.56 | abyx | :SetPoint() doesn't work like it should and the side textures are about 100 pixels away from the middle texture and theres a gap between the center texture and the edges |
| 02:25.06 | abyx | i did with UIDropDownMenu_SetWidth() |
| 02:25.08 | AnduinLothar | yeah lol |
| 02:25.14 | AnduinLothar | it's nto very smart |
| 02:25.20 | cbreak | you have to set textures? |
| 02:25.23 | AnduinLothar | i have some code that fixes the textures |
| 02:25.36 | kmcguire | Nope, the player_guild_update does not fire on login. I wish it did. |
| 02:25.36 | cbreak | all I did for drop-down menu thing is build a function that returns a table |
| 02:25.51 | cbreak | when does it get fired? |
| 02:25.54 | cbreak | only when you get gkicked? |
| 02:26.13 | |pez| | Does anyone buy the Codex books anymore ( like... Prayer of Fortitude book... ) |
| 02:26.22 | kmcguire | prolly |
| 02:26.38 | cbreak | Vendors. |
| 02:27.00 | |pez| | XD |
| 02:27.06 | AnduinLothar | try this abyx: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103241 |
| 02:28.10 | abyx | is _G defined already or do i have to do it myself? |
| 02:28.21 | cbreak | _G is the global table |
| 02:28.30 | abyx | k |
| 02:28.33 | cbreak | if you overwrite it, bad things might happen... :) |
| 02:28.36 | AnduinLothar | defined by blizzard |
| 02:28.43 | cbreak | defined by Lua |
| 02:28.43 | AnduinLothar | same thign as getglobal() |
| 02:28.47 | AnduinLothar | w/e |
| 02:29.19 | cbreak | lua> print(G_ == G_.G_) |
| 02:29.20 | lua_bot | cbreak: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'G_' (a nil value) |
| 02:29.27 | cbreak | wicked |
| 02:29.31 | cbreak | I make spelling mistakes |
| 02:29.34 | cbreak | in two letter words |
| 02:29.40 | AnduinLothar | fail |
| 02:29.50 | cbreak | lua> print(_G == _G._G) |
| 02:29.50 | lua_bot | cbreak: true |
| 02:30.21 | kmcguire | It seems, GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE works... BUT.. I am likely an idiot and did not register for the PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE. Let me try that one now too. |
| 02:31.53 | kmcguire | Yeah, it worked too. |
| 02:31.57 | kmcguire | hell |
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| 02:34.48 | abyx | so why exactly do the textures fail to size the way they should |
| 02:34.55 | abyx | did blizz just forget to anchor them properly or what? |
| 02:35.28 | AnduinLothar | yeah, they're anchored crappily |
| 02:35.51 | Tekkub | DAMNIT DALARAN FRUIT VENDOR I WANT TO BUY YOUR NUTS |
| 02:36.04 | AnduinLothar | they anchored them to themselves with fixed sizes instead of anchoring them to the frame liek smart people |
| 02:36.36 | AnduinLothar | the dropdown menu code really needs to be rewritten at some point |
| 02:37.07 | AnduinLothar | they've just been hacking fixes onto it to make it work |
| 02:37.34 | Tekkub | some point? |
| 02:37.34 | cbreak | GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE is not what you want, it will fire as soon as the guild roster changes |
| 02:37.42 | Tekkub | the dropdown code's sucked for years |
| 02:37.43 | cbreak | so every time someone logs in, gets kicked or what ever |
| 02:37.48 | cbreak | (I think) |
| 02:38.06 | AnduinLothar | well it needs to be rewritten 3 years ago, but since 2.0 it's been just bad |
| 02:39.24 | AnduinLothar | what's max hit rating for a 2h at 80. 290 something? |
| 02:47.42 | Arrow|Laptop | cbreak: actually im not even sure GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE fires on its own, i thought you had to call the function to request an update, which the default ui calls OnShow |
| 02:48.05 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 02:48.10 | cbreak | could be. |
| 02:49.51 | kmcguire | It did get fired on login. |
| 02:50.05 | kmcguire | It is no telling, haha. |
| 02:50.11 | Arrow|Laptop | make sure you have 0 addons |
| 02:50.35 | Tem | G_R_U fires on its own |
| 02:50.36 | Tem | well |
| 02:50.37 | Tem | sort of |
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| 02:51.05 | cbreak | I think the other event is more what you want still |
| 02:51.06 | Tem | any time the guild frame is opened, it calls GuildRoster() which triggers the GRU |
| 02:51.22 | kmcguire | Oh, I see. Yeah, I went back to using PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE earlier. |
| 02:51.35 | kmcguire | I just needed something to tell me when the WoW client knew it's player was in a guild. |
| 02:51.37 | Arrow|Laptop | what are you trying to do? |
| 02:51.42 | kmcguire | I got it working now. |
| 02:51.54 | Arrow|Laptop | IsInGuild()? |
| 02:51.59 | Arrow|Laptop | theres some function |
| 02:52.16 | cbreak | they probably return invalid data at the start |
| 02:52.21 | kmcguire | Well, yeah. But, I did not want to create a timer just to keep checking for that. That would be a good idea though. |
| 02:52.27 | cbreak | even UnitName sometimes returns invalid data |
| 02:52.41 | Arrow|Laptop | UnitName never should |
| 02:52.45 | Arrow|Laptop | if it does its a bug |
| 02:52.53 | Arrow|Laptop | and should be reported |
| 02:53.07 | cbreak | well, UnitName("pet") returns "Unknown" the first time I summon my water elemental after a login |
| 02:53.15 | cbreak | it works on subsequent summons |
| 02:53.28 | kmcguire | I swear there is a bug in the lua engine in WoW. I had a long array of if statements.. it would loop back through them in the function. |
| 02:53.44 | Arrow|Laptop | well the name above it will show Unknown for a split second too |
| 02:54.01 | Arrow|Laptop | kmcguire: no bug, you just did something wrong |
| 02:54.12 | kmcguire | I had something like; if(blah){ if(op==1){...} if(op==2){...} } ... The lua engine keep it loops through checking the if(op==x) statements. I finally had to use op='' and it fixed it. |
| 02:54.28 | kmcguire | I would like to make a test case. |
| 02:54.53 | cbreak | I think you did something else wrong :) |
| 02:54.58 | kmcguire | =) |
| 02:55.04 | Arrow|Laptop | 100% sure you did |
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| 02:56.23 | kmcguire | Okay. I did this one time... if(blah) display_msg('@@@@') if(op==1){...} if(op==2){...} ... It would display @@@@ then it would display something for inside op==1 or op==2 then..... it would display it again.. like it would just double execute the if.. I dunno. |
| 02:56.35 | kmcguire | Let me just shutup. Haha. |
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| 03:23.34 | Sixen | http://www.sixen.org/qa/findstickiesv3.jpg ... That's so win. |
| 03:24.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Anyone know a good mod for reminding me to rebuff Water shield? |
| 03:24.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Time-delay muscle memory? |
| 03:25.36 | cbreak | msbt? |
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| 03:26.18 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: the time is variable. :\ |
| 03:26.27 | NightHawkTheSane | msbt's alerts fade, i need something that doesn't go away |
| 03:26.56 | Cralor` | shieldsup? |
| 03:27.19 | Shirik | red alert |
| 03:27.31 | Shirik | fire transphasic torpedoes |
| 03:28.37 | Cralor` | what does lua use for colors? |
| 03:28.46 | Shirik | Lua doesn't know anything about colors |
| 03:29.06 | Shirik | WoW embeds colors in the string using a special escape sequence |
| 03:29.06 | Cralor` | no like to make text colored. |
| 03:29.11 | Shirik | |cAARRGGBB |
| 03:29.23 | Cralor` | yea that is what i am looking for |
| 03:29.26 | Shirik | hex values from 0x00 to 0xFF, where the values are Alpha, Red, Green, blue, respectively |
| 03:29.32 | Cralor` | is there a template to make it easier ? |
| 03:29.39 | Shirik | no |
| 03:29.47 | Shirik | just |cAARRGGBBtext|r |
| 03:29.55 | Cralor` | guess i'll have to play around then :D |
| 03:29.55 | Shirik | get used to it, you will see it a lot :) |
| 03:29.56 | Cralor` | thanks |
| 03:30.02 | Shirik | for example, item links have them embedded in |
| 03:30.30 | Shirik | Example of a quest I was looking at: "\124cffffff00\124Hquest:13068:80\124h[A Tale of Valor]\124h\124r" |
| 03:30.35 | Shirik | (note that \124 is | ) |
| 03:35.00 | Pizik_afk | does that work to colour text in chat? |
| 03:36.06 | Adys | no |
| 03:36.39 | Pizik_afk | Is there a way to achieve that? |
| 03:36.39 | Adys | No |
| 03:36.39 | Pizik_afk | okie ;o) |
| 03:36.40 | bcsbcs | after going through a load of blizzy code I still cant find where the dressup model gets triggered when ctrl left clicking an item, im trying to find a way of using alt-clicking an item to trigger a alternative dressup function, any pointers? |
| 03:37.14 | Tekkub | hehe, tuskarpoles curve upwards at the end |
| 03:37.56 | Shirik | Pizik_afk: Sorta |
| 03:38.02 | Shirik | Only approved color sequences |
| 03:38.03 | Cralor` | Shirik: so 0 through 9 and then F is like "10" ? |
| 03:38.12 | Shirik | item links, quests, etc. |
| 03:38.18 | Shirik | Cralor`, learn your hex :P |
| 03:38.25 | Cralor` | :P |
| 03:38.43 | Shirik | lua> for x = 0, 15 do print(("%X"):format(x)) end |
| 03:38.43 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, A, B, C, D, E, F |
| 03:39.07 | Shirik | FF is 255 |
| 03:39.07 | Cralor` | oh ok |
| 03:39.15 | Tekkub | FU |
| 03:39.20 | Cralor` | lol |
| 03:39.27 | Shirik | 80 is 128 |
| 03:39.33 | Shirik | etc etc |
| 03:39.40 | Shirik | very important numbering system! |
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| 03:42.04 | Fisker- | i can make 22-slot bags! |
| 03:42.27 | Tekkub | it's fun to apply the "in bed" fortune cookie rule to the tuskarr... "Stay warm, in my pants" |
| 03:42.36 | Tekkub | "YOu have use for these things, in my pants |
| 03:42.48 | Fisker- | i can make 22-slot bags! |
| 03:43.19 | Tekkub | Is there something you desire, in my pants? |
| 03:43.21 | Cralor` | i has a 22slots bag plz? |
| 03:43.39 | Fisker- | mats are like 1600g on my server though :E |
| 03:43.54 | Cralor` | no bag for me plz |
| 03:44.13 | Arrow|Laptop | bcsbcs: its in ItemRef.lua i think |
| 03:45.44 | pompy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.44 | pompy_ | [10:29 PM] <Cralor`> is there a template to make it easier ? |
| 03:45.51 | pompy_ | oops |
| 03:45.55 | pompy_ | stupid client |
| 03:46.18 | Cralor` | lol that was a stupid question anyway. i forgot it used the hexadecimal system |
| 03:48.02 | Shirik | pompy_: Always blaming the program and not the user, no? |
| 03:48.43 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Thanksgiving+1! |
| 03:48.49 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 03:48.57 | Fisker- | can you add in the topic that i can make 22-slot bags? |
| 03:48.57 | Cralor` | +1? |
| 03:49.08 | Shirik | Well, it was bugging me that it still said Happy Thanksgiving |
| 03:49.13 | Shirik | and it wasn't Thanksgiving |
| 03:49.23 | Cralor` | +2 :P |
| 03:49.30 | Shirik | +2 in another hour |
| 03:49.30 | Shirik | not yet |
| 03:49.47 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, west caost is the only coast worth noting |
| 03:49.47 | Cralor` | when do you consider thanksgiving? |
| 03:49.53 | Thunder_Child | coast* |
| 03:49.58 | Shirik | incorrect, east coast |
| 03:50.02 | pompy_ | Shirik: yeah pretty much, damn that icechat |
| 03:50.04 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Shirik |
| 03:50.05 | purl | Shirik: FAIL! |
| 03:50.20 | Shirik | Cralor`: Yesterday? |
| 03:50.49 | Shirik | wait a sec |
| 03:50.52 | Shirik | Yeah I fail |
| 03:50.55 | Cralor` | lol |
| 03:50.58 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Thanksgiving+2! |
| 03:51.19 | Shirik | eventually Cairenn will get the hint and find a worthy quote with which to change the topic |
| 03:51.21 | Cralor` | i had to search that... cuz i didnt have the guts to deny you haha |
| 03:51.25 | Shirik | officially ending Thanksgiving |
| 03:51.51 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, she has to wait till someone says a stupid quote and the right people arent on yet |
| 03:51.58 | Thunder_Child | except you |
| 03:52.01 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:52.11 | Thunder_Child | and me |
| 03:52.56 | Thrae | I was thinking of celebrating some holidays a week late, thus allowing people to more easily schedule for it and decreasing overall costs by using post-holiday sales. All the holidays I know about use arbitrary dates anyway. |
| 03:53.13 | NightHawkTheSane | 7k crit LHW.. wow |
| 03:53.14 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, thanksgiving? |
| 03:53.22 | Fisker- | Shirik i vote for "Fisker- can make 22-slot bags" |
| 03:54.38 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "since its the only 'why the fuck is that mentioned' entry" - Arrowmaster |
| 03:54.42 | Cairenn | :p |
| 03:54.44 | Fisker- | i hate you |
| 03:55.09 | Fisker- | So now i'll go sleep |
| 03:55.15 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Cairenn |
| 03:55.16 | purl | Cairenn, you Fail! |
| 03:55.28 | Cairenn | :p |
| 03:55.29 | Shirik | ! |
| 03:55.38 | Cralor` | ~botsnack |
| 03:55.38 | purl | Cralor`: aw, gee |
| 03:55.59 | Fisker- | ~epic fail |
| 03:56.04 | Fisker- | ~epic fail Cairenn |
| 03:56.05 | purl | Cairenn, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Cairenn, you are that epic failure. |
| 03:56.50 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Thanksgiving is a harvest festival, usually for the family, and is not on the same date schedule for all nations. So I don't see why December 3rd is that bad a date, for example. |
| 03:57.37 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, ah, i didnt realise you meant the same date for all the places that have such a holiday |
| 03:57.53 | Thunder_Child | worldwide |
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| 03:58.38 | Shirik | Thrae: However, trying to convince the stores that black friday should be december 4th probably won't go over so well |
| 03:58.44 | Thrae | No, I mean making up my own dates. If I'm just celebrating with the family, why should we celebrate on the same day as everyone else, especially if it's to our advantage to do otherwise? It's not like there's any signifigance to the dates besides everyone else using them. |
| 03:59.11 | Thunder_Child | well it is the same date in the respective countries |
| 03:59.12 | Thrae | I said *I* am thinking of celebrating on different dates, not everyone should. |
| 03:59.58 | Thrae | In fact, that would defeat the purpose. |
| 04:01.04 | Thunder_Child | " All the holidays I know about use arbitrary dates anyway." is not true is my point |
| 04:01.40 | Thrae | "use" meaning "were founded with relatively arbitrary dates" |
| 04:02.03 | Thunder_Child | forth of july? |
| 04:02.11 | Thunder_Child | assuming your in the US |
| 04:02.55 | Thrae | Independance wasn't declared on the 4th of July, it was declared on the 2nd of July, technically. |
| 04:03.11 | Tekkub | does Master Transmutant carry over to NR transmutes? |
| 04:03.27 | Pizik_afk | Took us 2 days to say "Yeah, whatever, do what you like..." |
| 04:03.55 | Thrae | One of the founding fathers and 2nd President of the United States said, "...The 2nd of July will be celebrated for generations to come." |
| 04:04.24 | Pizik_afk | I dont know Tekkub, I havent had titanium bar proc extras yet |
| 04:04.26 | Thrae | Pizik_afk: That was when it was *publicly* announced, so everyone just used that. |
| 04:05.04 | Pizik_afk | Thrae: I am English, my statement was about when we decided to let you have the country ;op |
| 04:05.45 | Cralor` | Adams' prediction was off by two days. From the outset, Americans celebrated independence on July 4, the date shown on the much-publicized Declaration of Independence, rather than on July 2, the date the resolution of independence was approved in a closed session of Congress. |
| 04:05.48 | Thrae | The English surely did not recognize Independence on the 2nd or 4th of July. I think they sulked for a few months. |
| 04:06.56 | Thrae | Cralor`: That's basically what I just said. My point was, if we're not even celebrating on the day it happened, then it looses signifigance. |
| 04:07.02 | Pizik_afk | just bussied ourselves screwing the rest of the word up ;o) |
| 04:07.38 | Arrow|Laptop | Cairenn: lol |
| 04:07.45 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 04:08.08 | Tekkub | uh, we celebrate it? |
| 04:08.16 | Tekkub | we don't celebrate things... |
| 04:08.29 | Thrae | Tekkub: You don't celebrate things, you rape things. |
| 04:08.34 | Tekkub | we create a "holiday" so we can get off work and be stupid |
| 04:09.00 | Thunder_Child | you dont need to take work off to be stupid |
| 04:09.13 | Tekkub | no, but you feel better about it |
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| 04:10.28 | Tekkub | it's like... "What did you do last night?" "Got drunk, threw up on someone, dinged my bumper, and probably had unprotected sex, I don't remember" vs. "What did you do for the holiday? (same answer) |
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| 04:10.37 | Tekkub | you don't feel bad about the second one |
| 04:11.02 | Thunder_Child | i dont feel bad about either (since it happend to someone else) |
| 04:11.06 | Tekkub | and I'm going to stab my leveling partner |
| 04:11.21 | Tekkub | "Seems like everyone is farming fertile sprores tongiht" |
| 04:11.30 | Tekkub | NO IT'S JUST YOU AND THE PEOPLE LEVELING |
| 04:15.16 | zenzelezz | heh, a tauren called Beethoofen |
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| 04:34.46 | Cairenn | The three old men were sitting around complaining about how much their hands shook since they got really old. |
| 04:34.46 | Cairenn | The first geezer said, "My hands shake so bad that when I shaved this morning I cut my face!" |
| 04:35.08 | Cairenn | The second old fogey one-upped him. "My hands shake so bad that when I trimmed my garden yesterday I sliced all my flowers!" |
| 04:35.20 | Cairenn | The third old man laughed and said " That's nothing. My hands shake so bad that when I took a pee yesterday I came three times." |
| 04:35.33 | AnduinLothar | >.< |
| 04:35.42 | Corrodias | hilllllllarious |
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| 05:03.16 | NightHawkTheSane | teaching people the heigan dance is not precisely how I envisioned my saturday night |
| 05:03.31 | Arrowmaster | so great story from tonight about how much fun my family has embarassing my cusion, was over at my aunt and uncles house for dinner tonight and my cusion had been on and off his cellphone all night, and his cell rings while we are eating dinner |
| 05:03.45 | NightHawkTheSane | 'cousin' |
| 05:03.51 | NightHawkTheSane | unless you mean cushion.. |
| 05:03.53 | Arrowmaster | whatever i suck at spelling |
| 05:04.17 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: I found out that "teaching" doesn't work very well. Best result for us was to say STAY RIGHT ON TOP OF THE FREAKING STAR AT ALL TIMES. Contemplating using smoke flares on the safe spots next week |
| 05:07.09 | Corrodias | his cell phone rings while you are eating dinner |
| 05:07.10 | Arrowmaster | my uncle tells him to hang up on the bimbo of the week, and he gets defensive about that statement, so my uncle says that my cousin brought home 'lassie' in the middle of the night (reference to movie porkys, im wondering how many people here get that) |
| 05:07.12 | Corrodias | ah |
| 05:10.25 | Arrowmaster | and my other cousin said she sent him a text message saying he needed to shut her the hell up |
| 05:12.09 | Arrowmaster | he ended up getting up from dinner and going out for a smoke not long after |
| 05:12.14 | Thunder_Child | as in win can the wow installation be moved to any HD on a mac? |
| 05:16.03 | ccox | Thunder_Child: yes |
| 05:17.08 | Thunder_Child | thanks ccox |
| 05:17.51 | ccox | Thunder_Child: on the mac, it's keyed off the application location |
| 05:18.03 | ccox | Thunder_Child: but they may still have some system level prefs files |
| 05:19.04 | Thunder_Child | is this a yes or no ccox |
| 05:19.05 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 05:19.14 | ccox | that's a yes, with details |
| 05:19.41 | Thunder_Child | details or possible issues? |
| 05:39.35 | NightHawkTheSane | 17 minute heigan kill. >< |
| 05:39.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ......... |
| 05:39.43 | ScytheBlade1 | 10 or 25? |
| 05:40.13 | NightHawkTheSane | 10 |
| 05:40.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ow |
| 05:40.27 | NightHawkTheSane | we did like 2 dance phases with -3- of us |
| 05:40.34 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | fail |
| 05:40.50 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm just glad that me (resto shammy) and the tank were one of those three :p |
| 05:41.04 | NightHawkTheSane | er, two of those three, but yeah |
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| 05:43.27 | Adam | is it possible to use IRC within the wow application? |
| 05:43.33 | Guest93485 | maybe like as an addon? |
| 05:43.52 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 05:44.02 | ScytheBlade1 | WoW cannot communicate in or out in real time |
| 05:44.22 | Guest93485 | so no chat addons whatsoever? |
| 05:44.26 | ScytheBlade1 | none |
| 05:45.13 | Guest93485 | is there any way to chat in wow without actually having the application open? |
| 05:45.43 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 05:45.45 | Shirik|Ecole | ScytheBlade1 I love you |
| 05:45.48 | ScytheBlade1 | not with anyone outside of WoW that is |
| 05:46.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: ? |
| 05:46.40 | Shirik|Ecole | Why would when I use nslookup for a name I just created, it says error NXDOMAIN, but if I do "server localhost" and then do it, it looks up fine? |
| 05:47.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Stop using nslookup |
| 05:47.40 | ScytheBlade1 | It's bad for you |
| 05:47.42 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 05:47.46 | Shirik|Ecole | ok what should I use? |
| 05:47.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Use dig |
| 05:47.52 | ScytheBlade1 | "dig hostname" |
| 05:47.58 | ScytheBlade1 | or "dig @ns hostname" |
| 05:48.07 | ScytheBlade1 | or "dig hostname A" |
| 05:48.07 | ScytheBlade1 | etc |
| 05:48.19 | Shirik|Ecole | hrm, no A record |
| 05:48.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It gives you much more control over what you query and much more detail |
| 05:48.27 | ScytheBlade1 | "dig +trace hostname" |
| 05:48.46 | Shirik|Ecole | holy shit |
| 05:48.50 | Shirik|Ecole | that's a lot of spam |
| 05:48.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That's why I use dig |
| 05:48.59 | ScytheBlade1 | And that spam is amazingly useful |
| 05:49.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That's walking the DNS tree to find your record, without using any caches |
| 05:49.47 | Guest93485 | scythe do you know where I can get a list of basic irc commands |
| 05:49.52 | Guest93485 | I'm a bit new to this all |
| 05:50.02 | ScytheBlade1 | google. There are plenty of tutorials, IRC isn't new |
| 05:50.28 | Shirik|Ecole | but with +trace it doesn't tell me much |
| 05:50.31 | Shirik|Ecole | only the servers it looked at |
| 05:50.38 | ScytheBlade1 | And which server said what |
| 05:50.43 | Shirik|Ecole | and I do see my server in there (as well as my backup servers |
| 05:50.50 | Shirik|Ecole | No it doesn't say anything about what the servers said |
| 05:50.57 | Shirik|Ecole | dig +trace dkp.heresiarchguild.com |
| 05:50.58 | Shirik|Ecole | right? |
| 05:51.21 | Shirik|Ecole | I wonder why it went to my backup server |
| 05:51.26 | ScytheBlade1 | DNS does that |
| 05:51.36 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a round-robin between all records |
| 05:51.43 | Shirik|Ecole | but the backup servers might be outdated :/ |
| 05:51.47 | Shirik|Ecole | and I don't think I have a way of updating them |
| 05:52.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Sucks :) |
| 05:52.24 | ScytheBlade1 | And yes that would be your problem |
| 05:52.30 | ScytheBlade1 | dig @ns2.mydyndns.org dkp.whatever.come |
| 05:52.33 | ScytheBlade1 | All have no A records |
| 05:52.42 | Shirik|Ecole | that's.... bad |
| 05:52.42 | ScytheBlade1 | your ns.whatever.com does have an A record |
| 05:52.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That's how it works |
| 05:52.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Either update your secondary nameservers or remove them |
| 05:53.10 | Shirik|Ecole | you can access my main server though? |
| 05:53.15 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 05:53.16 | Shirik|Ecole | For a second I thought maybe I never adjusted the firewall |
| 05:53.26 | ScytheBlade1 | dig dkp.heresiarchguild.com @ns.heresiarchguild.com. |
| 05:53.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Shows the A record |
| 05:53.55 | Shirik|Ecole | ok then maybe I'll ask a different question |
| 05:54.02 | ScytheBlade1 | @ns.whatever.com specifies the server to query |
| 05:54.10 | Shirik|Ecole | apache is complaining when it starts up because one of the vhosts I just made can't be resolved |
| 05:54.16 | Shirik|Ecole | (specifically, dkp.heresiarchguild.com) |
| 05:54.25 | Shirik|Ecole | any recommendations? |
| 05:54.28 | Shirik|Ecole | or just wait it out? |
| 05:54.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Throw it in your /etc/hosts |
| 05:54.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Or fix your DNS (the correct answer) |
| 05:55.17 | Shirik|Ecole | fix my DNS is really the correct answer, but I don't know how much control I have over the secondary servers |
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| 05:55.33 | ZorbaTHut | it's possible the secondary servers just mirror from the primary servers at intervals |
| 05:55.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Which really really sucks for you ;) |
| 05:55.41 | ZorbaTHut | which would really mean the solution is just "wait for the secondary servers to mirror" |
| 05:56.08 | ScytheBlade1 | and any remotely modern DNS system will use NOTIFYs to update almost instantly to all of the slaves |
| 05:56.24 | ScytheBlade1 | You either need to (1) remove the other DNS servers or (2) fix them |
| 05:56.57 | Shirik|Ecole | I believe I'm required to have at least 2 NS |
| 05:57.00 | ScytheBlade1 | nsx.mydyndns.org is returning "status: SERVFAIL" |
| 05:57.00 | Shirik|Ecole | so I can't remove them |
| 05:57.01 | ZorbaTHut | Eh. It's not like it matters most of the time. I've seen setups where it's difficult to set such a thing up - I don't think my primary supports sending NOTIFYs to things, for example |
| 05:57.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Which means that they aren't even accepting that domain as hosted there |
| 05:57.56 | Shirik|Ecole | wow something's really broken with my backup servers huh |
| 05:58.03 | Shirik|Ecole | it doesn't even know the main address |
| 05:58.05 | Shirik|Ecole | which was made like a week ago |
| 05:58.06 | ScytheBlade1 | They aren't hosting that zone at all |
| 05:58.08 | ScytheBlade1 | No, they don't |
| 05:59.01 | Shirik|Ecole | so the question is do I file a ticket with them or do I continue to figure out if it's me that screwed something up |
| 05:59.25 | ScytheBlade1 | If it was a week ago, either their stuff is broke good or you didn't touch their stuff to configure it |
| 05:59.41 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, a week ago = something is wrong |
| 05:59.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Few hours at very very most |
| 06:00.01 | Shirik|Ecole | all I see to configure is "Master IP" |
| 06:00.05 | ScytheBlade1 | My DNS changes propogate nearly instantly |
| 06:00.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you need to point that at your ns.whatever.com's IP |
| 06:00.15 | Shirik|Ecole | which is set to the heresiarchguild.com address |
| 06:00.18 | Shirik|Ecole | it is |
| 06:00.27 | Shirik|Ecole | and then "Preferences" |
| 06:00.30 | ScytheBlade1 | And allow them to transfer the zone off of it |
| 06:00.31 | Shirik|Ecole | which is basically just "Active or not" |
| 06:00.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Check your logs for errors/permission denied |
| 06:01.15 | Shirik|Ecole | would that have come from named/bind? |
| 06:01.19 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 06:01.20 | Wobin | heheh |
| 06:01.20 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/a-smile-that-will-light-up-the-night-sky/2008/11/28/1227491827180.html |
| 06:02.14 | Shirik|Ecole | could this mean something? |
| 06:02.15 | Shirik|Ecole | Nov 24 08:39:19 localhost named[29591]: client 65.221.104.181#32946: notify question section contains no SOA |
| 06:02.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ............ |
| 06:02.26 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.38 | Shirik|Ecole | :( did I do something stupid? |
| 06:02.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Thinking you're going to need to paste me your zone file |
| 06:03.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Or link it somewhere |
| 06:04.05 | ScytheBlade1 | You should have just got two more entries in your logs, just now |
| 06:05.06 | Shirik|Ecole | This is my current heresiarch.zone file: http://wowi.pastey.net/submit.php |
| 06:05.11 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 06:05.19 | ScytheBlade1 | You sure about that? |
| 06:05.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 06:06.15 | Shirik|Ecole | hm? |
| 06:06.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me that submit.php isn't your zone file |
| 06:06.25 | Shirik|Ecole | er |
| 06:06.32 | Shirik|Ecole | http://wowi.pastey.net/103252 |
| 06:08.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Check your logs |
| 06:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Did you just get a series of errors? |
| 06:08.47 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (i=TC@cpe-76-169-230-188.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 06:08.48 | Shirik|Ecole | don't see any, no |
| 06:09.03 | Shirik|Ecole | given that the message I showed you earlier was from the 24th, it could have been while I was setting it up |
| 06:09.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ;; communications error to 67.18.208.154#53: connection reset |
| 06:09.25 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf did you do? |
| 06:09.32 | Shirik|Ecole | ? |
| 06:09.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Do you have :53/tcp open? |
| 06:09.45 | ScytheBlade1 | (In addition to :53/udp?) |
| 06:10.37 | Shirik|Ecole | -A INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT |
| 06:10.37 | Shirik|Ecole | -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT |
| 06:10.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Then your server is right proper broke |
| 06:10.55 | Shirik|Ecole | I had this problem earlier myself |
| 06:10.58 | Shirik|Ecole | when I was using a DNS crawler |
| 06:11.17 | Shirik|Ecole | might I have configured bind wrong so that it doesn't accept tcp? |
| 06:11.21 | abyx | what do i need to be able to click on an item link that is in a ScrollingMessageFrame? |
| 06:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | You have something really broke |
| 06:11.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Really really broke |
| 06:11.31 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 06:11.44 | Shirik|Ecole | you use linode, right? Nothing special I need to do with them |
| 06:11.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ... you aren't using their DNS servers |
| 06:11.57 | Shirik|Ecole | I know |
| 06:12.00 | ScytheBlade1 | You're using mydyndns |
| 06:12.03 | Shirik|Ecole | I just want to make sure they didn't do something I'm not aware of |
| 06:12.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd suggest using them |
| 06:12.14 | ScytheBlade1 | (For your DNS) |
| 06:12.28 | Shirik|Ecole | I wasn't aware I could do that |
| 06:12.33 | Shirik|Ecole | but it's too late now I already paid >< |
| 06:12.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Er? |
| 06:12.44 | Shirik|Ecole | dyndns? |
| 06:12.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Do they own your domain? |
| 06:13.05 | Shirik|Ecole | They're the registrar |
| 06:13.14 | Shirik|Ecole | we "own" it |
| 06:13.17 | ScytheBlade1 | You should be able to change the nameservers to something other than them |
| 06:13.23 | ScytheBlade1 | And use linode's |
| 06:13.26 | ScytheBlade1 | (which are free) |
| 06:13.26 | Shirik|Ecole | yes but I just paid >< |
| 06:13.28 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 06:13.28 | Shirik|Ecole | oops |
| 06:13.29 | ScytheBlade1 | So? |
| 06:13.37 | Shirik|Ecole | I wasn't aware linode's were free |
| 06:13.40 | ScytheBlade1 | You just point the NS records away from nsX.mydyndns.org |
| 06:13.43 | ScytheBlade1 | They aren't a registrar |
| 06:13.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Linode just does DNS hosting |
| 06:13.48 | Shirik|Ecole | I see |
| 06:14.00 | ScytheBlade1 | https://www.linode.com/members/dns/ |
| 06:14.15 | ScytheBlade1 | You add a slave zone there |
| 06:14.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Point it at your linode |
| 06:14.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Configure bind to allow the linode servers to make copies of your zone |
| 06:14.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And then point mydyndns at linode's servers |
| 06:15.19 | Shirik|Ecole | zone transfer? |
| 06:15.22 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 06:15.27 | ScytheBlade1 | well |
| 06:15.29 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 06:15.36 | ScytheBlade1 | *logs in* |
| 06:15.48 | ScytheBlade1 | You want the "Add a new domain zone" |
| 06:15.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Type --> slave |
| 06:16.14 | Shirik|Ecole | got it |
| 06:16.51 | Shirik|Ecole | so within 15 minutes it should generate my info? |
| 06:16.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you want to allow the four linode NS IPs access to your zones (dig ns1.linode.com A, repeat for ns2-4) |
| 06:17.10 | Shirik|Ecole | ok so I do that at dyndns right? |
| 06:17.12 | ScytheBlade1 | And you want to set that up on your linode |
| 06:17.12 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 06:17.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Your own DNS server |
| 06:17.16 | Shirik|Ecole | no? |
| 06:17.26 | Shirik|Ecole | er |
| 06:17.28 | Shirik|Ecole | I do? |
| 06:17.33 | Shirik|Ecole | because I never did that for dyndns |
| 06:17.38 | ScytheBlade1 | No kidding? ;) |
| 06:17.48 | Shirik|Ecole | is that the root cause of my problems? |
| 06:17.52 | ScytheBlade1 | That's one of them |
| 06:18.04 | Shirik|Ecole | I told you I'm a noob at this, right? |
| 06:18.22 | ScytheBlade1 | And I told you that you should expect weeks of pain and agony as a result |
| 06:18.38 | Shirik|Ecole | how do I "allow access" |
| 06:18.50 | Shirik|Ecole | is that the "allow-update" thing? |
| 06:18.53 | ScytheBlade1 | allow-transfer {ip1; ip2; ip3; }; |
| 06:18.54 | Wobin | mikma: So. Nothing to learn at 72? Or 71? |
| 06:19.02 | ScytheBlade1 | No, allow-update allows zone... updates |
| 06:19.08 | ScytheBlade1 | aka changes to your zone info |
| 06:19.15 | Shirik|Ecole | that should be none then |
| 06:19.23 | ScytheBlade1 | So omit it entirely |
| 06:19.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you want to allow-transfer {ip; ip;}; |
| 06:20.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Where ip is the IP address of your other DNS servers (dig NS heresiarchguild.com) |
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| 06:21.35 | Shirik|Ecole | ok so I do allow-transfer {ip1; ip2; ...}; where those IPs are both ns.heresiarchguild.com and ns1.linode.com, etc.? |
| 06:21.51 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want to switch your secondaries to linode, yes |
| 06:21.59 | Shirik|Ecole | or dyndns |
| 06:22.01 | Shirik|Ecole | or etc. |
| 06:22.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep in mind though, that you ARE ns.h.com |
| 06:22.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Right |
| 06:22.11 | Shirik|Ecole | so I can leave myself out? |
| 06:22.15 | Shirik|Ecole | I guess that makes sense |
| 06:22.23 | Shirik|Ecole | doesn't make sense to transfer to myself |
| 06:22.38 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 06:23.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you fix your other problem where I'm clueless |
| 06:24.04 | ScytheBlade1 | dig @ns.heresiarchguild.com. heresiarchguild.com AXFR |
| 06:24.09 | Nom- | yay first epix belt |
| 06:24.13 | ScytheBlade1 | (Throw your IP on allow-transfer first) |
| 06:24.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Get that to work |
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| 06:24.51 | Shirik|Ecole | wow that was a big mistake |
| 06:25.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 06:25.04 | Shirik|Ecole | so I take it every time dyndns tried to update, they were getting nothing? |
| 06:25.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Speak fast, I need to afk |
| 06:25.11 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 06:25.14 | Shirik|Ecole | fun |
| 06:25.25 | ScytheBlade1 | In any case |
| 06:25.30 | ScytheBlade1 | afk for a good hour and a half |
| 06:25.42 | Shirik|Ecole | have fun, thanks! |
| 06:28.28 | TC-Away | anyone remeber the html code to create a line? |
| 06:28.32 | TC-Away | remember* |
| 06:29.30 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.38 | Shirik|Ecole | br |
| 06:29.40 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 06:29.42 | Shirik|Ecole | line, yes hr |
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| 06:29.47 | Thunder_Child | ya, thanks Tem |
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| 06:46.43 | Tem | test? |
| 06:47.03 | Tem | ah there we go |
| 06:47.06 | AnduinLothar | no, we can't hear you now. |
| 06:47.11 | Tem | the tubes don't like me tonight |
| 06:47.12 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Tem |
| 06:47.13 | purl | Tem, you Fail! |
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| 06:50.21 | Thunder_Child | retardmrr |
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| 06:59.08 | Shirik|Ecole | ScytheBlade1: FYI I found the issue with BIND not being able to listen on 53 |
| 06:59.12 | Shirik|Ecole | From netstat: |
| 06:59.13 | Shirik|Ecole | tcp 0 0 67.18.208.154:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3841/tcpserver |
| 06:59.17 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf tcpserver is, I have no idea |
| 07:06.12 | Shirik|Ecole | ScytheBlade1: Fixed :D Something else was listening on port 59, damn it! |
| 07:06.19 | Shirik|Ecole | I must have installed it a long time ago and forgot about it |
| 07:07.11 | Shirik|Ecole | And now AXFR works too so /happy :) |
| 07:07.14 | Shirik|Ecole | thanks for pointing out the problem |
| 07:22.38 | batrick | hello shirik |
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| 07:23.06 | Thunder_Child | bad batrick, bad |
| 07:25.54 | Shirik|Ecole | hi batrick |
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| 07:40.14 | mikma | wobin: well lvl71 there's 0, and only few skills (not that great for leveling) at 72 |
| 07:45.41 | Shirik|Ecole | ScytheBlade1 http://wowi.pastey.net/103255 |
| 07:45.47 | Shirik|Ecole | And now my backup servers are responding perfectly |
| 07:45.49 | Shirik|Ecole | <3 you so much! |
| 07:47.28 | mikma | wobin: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Oe -> 10.9% dodge and 8.57% parry |
| 07:47.32 | AnduinLothar | sbo strikes again |
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| 07:52.09 | Thunder_Child | ~x sp en cabrona |
| 07:52.18 | Wobin | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&n=snuusnu -> 10.18 dodge and 12.1 parry |
| 07:52.49 | Wobin | although, I'm getting the cobalt plate set |
| 07:52.52 | Wobin | at 70 for tanking |
| 07:53.03 | Wobin | we'll have to see how that affects numbers |
| 07:53.14 | Wobin | cheap at 80g or so for ore! |
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| 07:57.24 | mikma | wobin: "Cobalt Belt" ? |
| 07:58.40 | batrick | Shirik|Ecole: you get any of the parts (core i7) for your new comp yet? |
| 07:58.48 | Shirik|Ecole | nope |
| 07:58.53 | batrick | i haven't either |
| 07:59.02 | batrick | i think I'm going with the 300$ 920 though |
| 07:59.20 | batrick | apparently it overclocks easily to be jsut as good as the 600$ one |
| 08:02.05 | Shirik|Ecole | nice |
| 08:03.34 | Thunder_Child | batrick, the only one that is cost effective in any way is the 920 |
| 08:03.52 | Thunder_Child | every report i read said dont take anything but the 920 |
| 08:04.00 | batrick | well that's good to know |
| 08:04.16 | batrick | all the core i7s have perfect 5 star reviews on newegg |
| 08:04.19 | batrick | that's encouraging |
| 08:05.53 | Thunder_Child | someone click through to Forgot your Account Name? http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/loginsupport/ anyone getting a black page? |
| 08:06.12 | Thunder_Child | email as we |
| 08:06.14 | Thunder_Child | ll |
| 08:06.19 | batrick | yes |
| 08:06.32 | batrick | twice |
| 08:07.01 | Thunder_Child | do we know anyone it can be pointed out to that can fix it? |
| 08:07.07 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: ^? |
| 08:07.35 | Cairenn | Dolby: ^^ |
| 08:08.13 | Cairenn | oh, nm, sorry |
| 08:08.27 | Thunder_Child | wrong site there Cairenn? |
| 08:08.40 | batrick | u confoozled her |
| 08:08.44 | batrick | shame on u |
| 08:08.48 | Thunder_Child | didnt seem to be hard.... |
| 08:08.56 | Cairenn | thought you guys were looking at wowi, teach me not to pay attention |
| 08:09.05 | Thunder_Child | ~teach Cairenn |
| 08:09.06 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.09 | Cairenn | :p |
| 08:09.13 | Thunder_Child | you fail me yet again purl |
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| 08:18.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: DNS is easy... once you understand EVERYTHING |
| 08:18.55 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 08:21.03 | ScytheBlade1 | And that's really weird that you had something else listening on :53 |
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| 08:22.19 | Shirik|Ecole | I have, however, successfully screwed up my virtual hosts now |
| 08:22.25 | Shirik|Ecole | I hate my life |
| 08:22.26 | ScytheBlade1 | smooth |
| 08:22.55 | Shirik|Ecole | for some reason www.heresiarchguild.com just magically goes to dkp.heresiarchguild.com |
| 08:23.12 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't have www. defined |
| 08:23.22 | ScytheBlade1 | And it's defaulting to the first defined vhost, which would be dkp. |
| 08:23.25 | Shirik|Ecole | shouldn't the * catch it? |
| 08:23.29 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 08:23.31 | ScytheBlade1 | See above |
| 08:23.48 | ScytheBlade1 | In your h.com vhost config, add a line |
| 08:23.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ServerAlias www.h.com |
| 08:23.57 | ScytheBlade1 | (only expand it) |
| 08:24.20 | ScytheBlade1 | You define a vhost by specifying the server name that you want it to respond to, and then you add aliases |
| 08:25.22 | Shirik|Ecole | like ServerAlias www.heresiarchguild.com |
| 08:25.23 | Shirik|Ecole | right? |
| 08:25.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Correct |
| 08:25.31 | Shirik|Ecole | <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 08:25.31 | Shirik|Ecole | ServerName localhost |
| 08:25.33 | Shirik|Ecole | then that |
| 08:25.37 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 08:25.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That's um |
| 08:25.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Not what you think it is |
| 08:26.06 | ScytheBlade1 | *:80 refers to the IP/ports to listen on |
| 08:26.11 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 08:26.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ServerName refers to the address the user types in to the browser |
| 08:26.19 | Shirik|Ecole | that's just what it came with >< |
| 08:26.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ServerAlias is an additional list |
| 08:27.29 | Thunder_Child | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Avr5bd.LoF3qO8SDENfbVmBJxQt.;_ylv=3?qid=20081130002449AAuunzg |
| 08:27.40 | Wobin | mikma: amongst others yeah I think |
| 08:27.46 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm really bad at this |
| 08:28.07 | ScytheBlade1 | You define multiple <VirtualHost *:80> blocks |
| 08:28.30 | ScytheBlade1 | The first one defined is a "catchall" which is the default when accessed by IP or an unrecognized domain |
| 08:28.36 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, it always default points back to itself as a security/has nothing else to put in measure |
| 08:28.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Every successive <VirtualHost *:80> defines a "ServerName" which is a DNS name by which it will respond to |
| 08:29.05 | ScytheBlade1 | You can add names that the specific vhost responds to with "ServerAlias" |
| 08:29.51 | Shirik|Ecole | so every NameVirtualHost should be the same too? |
| 08:29.52 | Shirik|Ecole | *:80? |
| 08:29.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 08:30.03 | ScytheBlade1 | because that's what you're vhosting over |
| 08:30.13 | Shirik|Ecole | so I need to stop changing that |
| 08:30.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 08:30.26 | bleeter | iirc fun stuff can happen if you're operating a split-brain dns etc. |
| 08:30.37 | Shirik|Ecole | one good thing has come out of all of thsi |
| 08:30.39 | ScytheBlade1 | The "unique" identifier in each vhost block is the ServerName |
| 08:30.41 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm a whiz at vim now |
| 08:30.49 | bleeter | though that is such old fun one would like to think apache have 'fixed' it by now |
| 08:30.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Not the params in <VirtualHost> |
| 08:30.57 | Shirik|Ecole | I use it faster than I could word |
| 08:31.02 | bleeter | ~winrik |
| 08:31.03 | purl | from memory, winrik is Shirik is teh win. |
| 08:31.13 | Shirik|Ecole | ok now I'm back to [Sun Nov 30 03:30:53 2008] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts |
| 08:31.16 | Shirik|Ecole | which should mean |
| 08:31.27 | ScytheBlade1 | pastey your conf file |
| 08:31.28 | Shirik|Ecole | yup, forums work again |
| 08:31.37 | Shirik|Ecole | woah |
| 08:31.39 | Shirik|Ecole | everything works |
| 08:31.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 08:31.49 | Shirik|Ecole | still ugly warning though |
| 08:31.59 | Shirik|Ecole | I have several conf files, which is why it might be a bit confusing |
| 08:31.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Sooner or later you'll decide to code something |
| 08:32.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Start working on it |
| 08:32.10 | Shirik|Ecole | is there only supposed to be one NameVirtualHost entry? |
| 08:32.11 | ScytheBlade1 | And then an hour later realize you've been doing it on a remote server in vim |
| 08:32.31 | ScytheBlade1 | And how awesome you are as a result |
| 08:32.49 | Thunder_Child | and how much of a geek |
| 08:33.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Just one, that corresponds with whatever you're vhosting over |
| 08:33.06 | ScytheBlade1 | As you're vhosting over *:80 |
| 08:33.07 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: use something like SSHMenu and use profiles for different terminals, thus sensitive systems have red backgrounds etc. etc. |
| 08:33.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what it should read |
| 08:33.17 | Shirik|Ecole | ok that makes sense |
| 08:33.19 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: or just don't suck =] |
| 08:33.28 | Shirik|Ecole | See, problem is each vhost has its own .conf file in this configuration |
| 08:33.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is a non-issue, that's what I do too |
| 08:33.40 | Shirik|Ecole | something "magically finds" the .conf files (I assume part of the magic of the ebuild) |
| 08:33.43 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: start working on 30-40 node clusters then you'll realise that it's tricky to not suck :P |
| 08:33.47 | ScytheBlade1 | No, not magic |
| 08:33.52 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: better management system ;) |
| 08:33.52 | Shirik|Ecole | So I just copied the .conf file |
| 08:34.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: in my httpd.conf file, I have: Include vhost.d/*.conf |
| 08:34.05 | Shirik|Ecole | and as a result, both had a NameVirtualHost *:80 at the top |
| 08:34.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ not magic |
| 08:34.09 | Shirik|Ecole | ah I see |
| 08:34.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Ajh |
| 08:34.12 | ScytheBlade1 | *Ah |
| 08:34.18 | Shirik|Ecole | so I removed the second one |
| 08:34.58 | Shirik|Ecole | hey lookie |
| 08:34.59 | Shirik|Ecole | Include /etc/apache2/vhosts.d/*.conf |
| 08:35.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Called it ;) |
| 08:35.10 | ScytheBlade1 | No magic to it at all |
| 08:35.16 | Shirik|Ecole | is magic |
| 08:35.19 | ScytheBlade1 | is not |
| 08:35.29 | ScytheBlade1 | In any case |
| 08:35.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Now you know both DNS and apache vhosting! |
| 08:35.58 | Shirik|Ecole | yey |
| 08:36.06 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I must just an old fart. 'basic' serial concentrators or death! |
| 08:36.12 | bleeter | *just be |
| 08:36.14 | Shirik|Ecole | I probably could apply for my school's IT positions now |
| 08:36.19 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm good enough at breaking things, I'll fit right in |
| 08:36.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Whenever I start up a new apache server, I define NameVirtualHost *:80, and then immediately after a "dummy" vhost that just throws 403s |
| 08:36.43 | ScytheBlade1 | After that, I include an "Include" directive for the rest of my vhosts |
| 08:36.45 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: you should apply for a job at Blizz then, and not your old school :P |
| 08:37.04 | ScytheBlade1 | So if you access it by IP or someone points another DNS entry to it, all they get is a 403 |
| 08:37.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It only responds properly to recognized vhosts |
| 08:37.17 | Shirik|Ecole | eh, my guild is kinda stupid |
| 08:37.25 | Shirik|Ecole | I'd prefer to redirect them to the main site if they screw something up |
| 08:37.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Then in your default vhost |
| 08:37.37 | ScytheBlade1 | You do a single file |
| 08:37.52 | ScytheBlade1 | <?php header("Location: http://whatever.com/ "); die(); ?> |
| 08:37.53 | Shirik|Ecole | I mean hell, I'm thinking about adding a Location: header to the 404 page |
| 08:37.59 | ccox | bleeter - if you want serial concentrators, I've got 2 annex boxes here for you |
| 08:38.13 | Shirik|Ecole | ScytheBlade1: That'll end up happening anyway :) |
| 08:38.21 | ccox | (really, right next to a serial terminal and some old image processing boxes I can't quite throw away) |
| 08:38.23 | Shirik|Ecole | if you type klajsfijwaefjwa.heresiarchguild.com it'll take you to www.heresiarchguild.com/forums |
| 08:38.23 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: I have a 9ft RS232 cable and a few adapters, plus my minicom is one of the first things I configure ;) |
| 08:38.31 | Shirik|Ecole | isn't that just as good? |
| 08:38.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: if you access it by IP |
| 08:38.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Or if I add an A record to my DNS that points at your IP |
| 08:38.50 | ccox | (yes, I still have a 25 pin 232 breakout box) |
| 08:39.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Your server won't recognize it, and it'll be routed to the first vhost |
| 08:39.10 | Shirik|Ecole | right, which is the main site |
| 08:39.16 | Shirik|Ecole | then it'll encounter a 302 Moved |
| 08:39.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Which may or may not be good. |
| 08:39.28 | Shirik|Ecole | and be redirected to the forums |
| 08:39.29 | ScytheBlade1 | It makes it easy to spoof your side |
| 08:39.38 | bleeter | ccox: nah, that stuff's good. keep it in the 'pile of stuff I'll need two weeks after throwing it away thus I won't toss it' pile ;) |
| 08:39.46 | Shirik|Ecole | ah |
| 08:39.48 | Shirik|Ecole | interesting |
| 08:39.50 | ccox | bleeter - exactly |
| 08:39.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Not trivial, but it opens up other ways of accessing your data which likely wasn't intended |
| 08:40.04 | ccox | bleeter - though I think most of it will end up at the computer history museum |
| 08:40.10 | Shirik|Ecole | so you think I should do a Location: redirect? |
| 08:40.22 | Shirik|Ecole | or a 403? |
| 08:40.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I think your first catchall vhost should 403 everything |
| 08:40.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Then define one for your main site |
| 08:40.31 | ScytheBlade1 | And another for your dkp |
| 08:40.39 | Shirik|Ecole | ok, I'll do that tomorrow |
| 08:40.44 | Shirik|Ecole | I have a flight in like 8 hours |
| 08:40.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That way your sites and data can only be accessed in ways you define |
| 08:40.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Hopefully that makes sense |
| 08:41.00 | Shirik|Ecole | it does |
| 08:41.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Good ;) |
| 08:41.14 | Shirik|Ecole | since you seem knowledgable on the subject |
| 08:41.23 | Shirik|Ecole | someone warned me against SSL and VHosts not mixing well |
| 08:41.27 | Shirik|Ecole | is there any merit to this? |
| 08:41.31 | bleeter | ccox: so a couple of month ago, I bought a replacement USB coffee mug warmer with mug, figuring I hadn't seen the old lid in over a year and it was genuinely lost. Guess what I found not two hours ago when throwing out a bunch of VLB cards? |
| 08:41.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone was butchering terms |
| 08:41.40 | Shirik|Ecole | because we want to use SSLVerify on one of our folders |
| 08:41.51 | bleeter | ccox: how the hell the lid ended up in the box of VLB card that I ain't touched since last century is another story... /shrug |
| 08:41.52 | ccox | bleeter - that's one of murphy's laws |
| 08:41.57 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't vhost over SSL, but as long as you only have one host responding over :443 (ie that port is NOT vhosted) |
| 08:42.00 | ScytheBlade1 | You're fine |
| 08:42.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Workarounds: IPv6 (win!), running SSL over another port (kinda dirty but works), and patching your apache to support vhosting over SSL, which will be in apache "soon" |
| 08:42.36 | Shirik|Ecole | but it's ok that the host responding to 443 will go to the same site that's vhosted on 80? |
| 08:42.40 | Arrowmaster | you can but it doesnt work well |
| 08:42.49 | ScytheBlade1 | No, think of it this way |
| 08:42.53 | ScytheBlade1 | :80 is vhosted |
| 08:43.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It can answer as any number of websites |
| 08:43.11 | ScytheBlade1 | :443 (SSL) CANNOT be vhosted in any way shape or form |
| 08:43.20 | Shirik|Ecole | BUT |
| 08:43.26 | bleeter | btw |
| 08:43.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ... but my above workarounds |
| 08:43.36 | bleeter | USBB coffee mug warmer = product of the century |
| 08:43.39 | bleeter | *USB |
| 08:43.40 | Shirik|Ecole | the site :443 handles could point to the same doc root as one of the :80 vhosts |
| 08:43.41 | Shirik|Ecole | yes? |
| 08:43.45 | Arrowmaster | because it can only return one cert, and that cert has the website specified in it |
| 08:43.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Of course |
| 08:43.52 | Shirik|Ecole | ok then that'll be fine |
| 08:43.57 | bleeter | bah |
| 08:43.58 | Shirik|Ecole | only need SSLVerify for one of the sites |
| 08:44.02 | ccox | bleeter - did you see the USB toaster? |
| 08:44.03 | bleeter | ~fail Blizzard Entertainment |
| 08:44.04 | purl | Blizzard Entertainment: FAIL! |
| 08:44.30 | ScytheBlade1 | The apache folks are mulling around a patch now which will support vhosted SSL |
| 08:44.38 | Shirik|Ecole | uh |
| 08:44.39 | bleeter | ccox: hadn't heard of that... I do have in mind a design for.... let's call it ... a USB herb drier and miller |
| 08:44.40 | Shirik|Ecole | uhhh |
| 08:44.45 | ScytheBlade1 | It should be in one of the next few releases |
| 08:44.46 | Shirik|Ecole | I happen to have this file in my conf folder |
| 08:44.49 | Shirik|Ecole | it contains this line: <VirtualHost _default_:443> |
| 08:45.03 | bleeter | ccox: I think it'd sell by the truckload. not that I have any need for it, just something to make some $ from. |
| 08:45.14 | ScytheBlade1 | That's defining an SSL site |
| 08:46.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Doow (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/doow) |
| 08:46.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Go to sleep, bug me later |
| 08:46.28 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 08:46.33 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm not going to bug you at all |
| 08:46.41 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm going to bug the guy that said he's going to set it up |
| 08:46.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 08:46.47 | Shirik|Ecole | Screw SSL I don't know enough about it |
| 08:46.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Works for me |
| 08:47.33 | Shirik|Ecole | WAH |
| 08:47.42 | Shirik|Ecole | https://www.heresiarchguild.com = big red screen |
| 08:47.50 | Shirik|Ecole | obviously, because my cert does not have a trusted CA |
| 08:47.53 | Shirik|Ecole | but that scared the hell out of me |
| 08:47.57 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 08:48.14 | ScytheBlade1 | ... rofl |
| 08:48.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That screenshot looks VERY familiar |
| 08:48.21 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (n=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 08:48.23 | ScytheBlade1 | http://newcontent.org/ |
| 08:48.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Compare the two |
| 08:48.56 | Shirik|Ecole | two? |
| 08:49.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Mine and yours |
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| 08:49.21 | Shirik|Ecole | I like how google chrome puts a big red X through the "https" in the server address |
| 08:49.30 | Shirik|Ecole | like it's saying "https, but not lol" |
| 08:49.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like we also killed Kel'thuzad two days before you did! |
| 08:50.38 | Shirik|Ecole | diaf k? |
| 08:50.40 | Shirik|Ecole | :P |
| 08:50.44 | ScytheBlade1 | noted |
| 08:50.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Also sleep |
| 08:51.16 | Shirik|Ecole | anyway, looks like SSL is working so nothing to worry about |
| 08:51.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ... you said SSLVerify |
| 08:51.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That's totally not working |
| 08:51.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man you are in for fun times |
| 08:51.38 | Shirik|Ecole | oh I know that |
| 08:51.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Gonna make all of this stuff seem entirely trivial |
| 08:51.53 | Shirik|Ecole | I haven't even gotten keys from anyone yet |
| 08:52.30 | Shirik|Ecole | but that https://www.heresiarchguild.com goes to the right place is good |
| 08:53.07 | Shirik|Ecole | you know what's awesome though? |
| 08:53.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 08:53.17 | Thunder_Child | it doesnt go anywhere |
| 08:53.23 | Shirik|Ecole | all this time setting up vhosts |
| 08:53.47 | Shirik|Ecole | and all /var/www/dkp/htdocs points to is /var/www/localhost/htdocs/eqdkp |
| 08:53.52 | Shirik|Ecole | it's just a symbolic link |
| 08:53.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 08:53.55 | Shirik|Ecole | for now |
| 08:53.58 | ScytheBlade1 | In any case |
| 08:53.59 | ScytheBlade1 | afk sleep |
| 08:54.03 | Shirik|Ecole | sleep too |
| 08:54.04 | Shirik|Ecole | kk night |
| 08:54.21 | Thunder_Child | your link fails hardcore Shirik|Ecole |
| 08:54.39 | Shirik|Ecole | it yells at you for not being trusted? |
| 08:54.48 | Shirik|Ecole | I is not verisign I no |
| 08:54.56 | Thunder_Child | no, it loads for 40+ seconds before i get tired and close it |
| 08:55.05 | Shirik|Ecole | hah |
| 08:57.46 | Thunder_Child | 16GB ipod touch or the 32GB one? |
| 08:57.53 | Thunder_Child | i just cant decide |
| 09:02.06 | Shirik|Ecole | I hate ipod touches |
| 09:02.11 | Shirik|Ecole | they're like... bleh |
| 09:02.25 | Thunder_Child | care to elaborate? |
| 09:02.39 | Thunder_Child | bleh != a good answer make |
| 09:04.04 | Shirik|Ecole | I just don't like how they look, etc. |
| 09:05.24 | Thunder_Child | i dont care how it looks per se, i like that it has a huge user community and programs to go with it |
| 09:06.06 | Thunder_Child | i like the fact that i can ssh into my home computer with a *MEDIA PLAYER* |
| 09:06.51 | Arrowmaster | people have been doing that with cellphones for years |
| 09:07.09 | Thunder_Child | ipod touch isnt a cellphone |
| 09:07.24 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 09:07.50 | Thunder_Child | and my cellphone isnt new enough to hook into most wifi stations |
| 09:09.44 | Arrowmaster | i kinda want one but i dont like how apple locks down there stuff so much |
| 09:09.57 | Thunder_Child | thats what jailbreak is for |
| 09:10.25 | Arrowmaster | even then the sdk is only for mac |
| 09:16.41 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "since its the only 'why the fuck is that mentioned' entry" - Arrowmaster | Happy Birthday Esamynn! |
| 09:18.06 | Cairenn|afk | for those of you who have channel topic change notices turned off .... |
| 09:18.11 | Cairenn|afk | Happy Birthday Esamynn!! |
| 09:18.50 | Esamynn | mmmm, cookie! |
| 09:19.07 | Cairenn|afk | how many candles on the cake Esamynn? |
| 09:19.23 | AnduinLothar | mmm i shoudl have cookies.. |
| 09:19.31 | AnduinLothar | i dont think i have any :( |
| 09:19.41 | AnduinLothar | tragic mistake |
| 09:19.48 | Esamynn | Cairenn|afk: I'm not telling you. you should be asleep :P |
| 09:19.50 | Esamynn | good night folks |
| 09:20.01 | Esamynn | AnduinLothar: :( |
| 09:20.29 | AnduinLothar | godiva liqueur will have to suffice |
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| 09:23.08 | Thunder_Child | you are not allowed to sleep on your birthday Esamynn|Away, you must party for 24hours straight |
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| 09:33.25 | mikma | <1119> >>> Cairenn|afk goes and gets her hair brush to give Esamynn his birthday spanking |
| 09:33.31 | mikma | lol ally mcbeal |
| 09:33.39 | Cairenn|afk | ? |
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| 09:34.34 | mikma | cairenn|afk: they had a scene like that in ally mcbeal :D |
| 09:34.43 | Cairenn|afk | ah, okay |
| 09:34.48 | Cairenn|afk | never watched it, so wouldn't know |
| 09:35.05 | mikma | the "nelly" or something told the "biscuit" that she would like to get a small spank, so the dude just whipped her ass around with hairbrush, hard :P |
| 09:35.48 | Cairenn|afk | hokey |
| 09:35.50 | Wobin | woah, server crash |
| 09:36.41 | Wobin | the.. biscuit? |
| 09:37.51 | mikma | wobin: something like that, it was his nickname |
| 09:38.15 | Cairenn|afk | Wobin: just do like I do ... smile and nod and back away slowly |
| 09:39.06 | mikma | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001493/ |
| 09:39.38 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn|afk, the only reason you are going slowly is because you cant take your eyes off it |
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| 09:59.08 | mikma | http://www.blueberrytek.com/detail.asp?id=270 |
| 09:59.17 | mikma | yes, it's a mobilephone in clock |
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| 10:02.42 | Corrodias | i hate cell phones, their designers, and the service providers >:P |
| 10:02.45 | Corrodias | i'm just a grumpy man |
| 10:04.13 | Thunder_Child | ~calm Corrodias |
| 10:04.14 | purl | ACTION sooths Corrodias, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm Corrodias down. |
| 10:07.45 | Wobin | 70! |
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| 10:11.22 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, you mean 80? |
| 10:17.05 | Wobin | nope 70 on my dk =) |
| 10:17.15 | Thunder_Child | grats |
| 10:29.07 | cladhaire | Anyone here have a priest > level 70 that can test somethign with Clique for me? |
| 10:31.15 | Codayus_ | sure |
| 10:31.20 | cladhaire | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/clique.aspx |
| 10:31.30 | cladhaire | just verify that that person is crazy :P |
| 10:31.32 | cladhaire | the newest comment |
| 10:32.14 | Codayus_ | Sure thing... |
| 10:32.41 | cladhaire | i dont have any chars over 70 atm |
| 10:32.57 | Codayus_ | Pretty sure I'd have noticed already, but let's see... |
| 10:33.09 | cladhaire | yeah I figured as much :P |
| 10:33.15 | cladhaire | but it never hurts to check first |
| 10:34.13 | Codayus_ | Used Clique to cast PoM rank 2 on me. Tooltip says...905. Rank 2 tooltip in spellbook says...905. Rank 1 syas...800. |
| 10:34.31 | Codayus_ | And PoM rank 2 is trained at 74. |
| 10:34.41 | cladhaire | okay |
| 10:34.45 | cladhaire | what happens if you click "max" rank |
| 10:34.48 | cladhaire | i.e. |
| 10:34.52 | cladhaire | delete it, make it rank 1 |
| 10:34.57 | cladhaire | then cast and make sure it does rank 1 |
| 10:35.03 | cladhaire | then click "max" and see hwat it casts |
| 10:35.13 | cladhaire | i think maybe then it would do 1 instead of 2.. but a reload would clear that |
| 10:35.42 | Codayus_ | Bound Rank 1 specificially, tested...got rank 1. |
| 10:36.06 | Codayus_ | Clicked max, tested...got rank 2. |
| 10:36.13 | cladhaire | hawt |
| 10:36.15 | cladhaire | thanks sir! |
| 10:36.23 | cladhaire | maybe its an issue with the frFR client somehow |
| 10:36.27 | cladhaire | tho I can't imagine how/what/why |
| 10:40.05 | Codayus_ | Heh, indeed. That's a very very odd error. |
| 10:41.54 | mikma | lol, first pvp kill with my dk |
| 10:45.07 | AnduinLothar | lol, dk named mybffarthas |
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| 10:51.51 | Fisker- | lol |
| 10:55.10 | bleeter | AnduinLothar: haha :) |
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| 10:57.58 | cladhaire | !c eu vek'nilash deathsquid |
| 10:58.02 | cladhaire | boo |
| 11:03.51 | mikma | wobin: i'ma getting more interested of getting the parry-talent from blood to go with the unholy build :P |
| 11:04.07 | mikma | wobin: wasting the blood runes and getting 10% parry sounds nice, rune strike rune strike rune strike ;) |
| 11:04.10 | foxlit | The tier1 five-point? |
| 11:04.39 | foxlit | Besides, it's not like you ever "waste" blood runes. Pestilence + Blood Boil == awesome |
| 11:04.51 | Wobin | sotrue |
| 11:05.06 | mikma | that's not so "good" for soloing mobs 1 by 1 |
| 11:05.07 | foxlit | Though I'm annoyed at the 10s cooldown on pestilence. |
| 11:05.10 | Wobin | I <3 seeing "Rune Strike!" about 40 times on MSBT |
| 11:05.13 | mikma | maybe if you're tanking with healer |
| 11:05.19 | Wobin | when aoetanking |
| 11:05.36 | foxlit | There's a kill-15-vrykil quest in Icecrown |
| 11:06.05 | Wobin | mikma: Blade BArrier, and Bladed armour are definitely good talents to go for |
| 11:06.05 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=55226 |
| 11:06.19 | foxlit | I usually do that by running through the training yard on my flying mount to gather things, then Army of the Dead + pestilence + blood boil + unholy blight clean things up incredibly fast |
| 11:06.38 | foxlit | In fact, that trick is the only thing motivating me to get Night of the Dead |
| 11:07.23 | mikma | wobin: also, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38355 <- hawt :P |
| 11:07.43 | Wobin | foxlit: uh, isn't army a trainer spell? |
| 11:07.44 | mikma | you can get that with doing the grizzly pvp dailies and repeating the one returnable quest 3 times |
| 11:07.47 | Wobin | oh night |
| 11:07.48 | foxlit | Wobin: yes. |
| 11:08.06 | Wobin | mikma: I like the comment on that =) |
| 11:08.07 | foxlit | But Night reduces the cooldown, although I'm not sure if that's enough to get it |
| 11:08.15 | mikma | wobin: ya :D |
| 11:08.36 | foxlit | Is there a lead-in to Venture Bay? |
| 11:08.46 | Wobin | hm |
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| 11:09.26 | Wobin | it reduces it down to 0 second cooldown, eh? |
| 11:09.44 | foxlit | Wobin: nah, if that talent works correctly, it reduces cooldown by 5 minutes. |
| 11:09.57 | foxlit | I hear it's bugged, though, so it'll reduce by 30s every time you plague strike |
| 11:09.58 | Wobin | what's the normal cooldown? |
| 11:10.02 | foxlit | 20m |
| 11:10.06 | Wobin | oh |
| 11:10.08 | Wobin | hm |
| 11:10.11 | foxlit | (which is a pain!) |
| 11:10.12 | Wobin | farm that much often? |
| 11:10.25 | Wobin | I don't think the 5min drop is -that- much really =\ |
| 11:10.35 | Nom- | Well, 2 of them :P |
| 11:10.36 | foxlit | That's just it, I agree. |
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| 11:10.50 | foxlit | It seems downright sucky |
| 11:11.13 | Nom- | I agre. |
| 11:11.20 | Nom- | s/e/ee/ |
| 11:11.29 | Wobin | I can't believe how much time it took for me to calculate 5min from 10 30second reductions |
| 11:11.33 | foxlit | But the ability is just awesome for some dailies, so it sort of counter-balaces downright suckiness with downright awesomeness. |
| 11:12.14 | foxlit | Grah, so I ended up using macro IDs as macro identifiers in OPie |
| 11:12.18 | foxlit | Big mistake. |
| 11:12.50 | Wobin | ~7950/180 |
| 11:12.50 | purl | 44.166666666667 |
| 11:13.03 | mikma | anyone knows are there any sigils to get? :P |
| 11:13.11 | Wobin | hm 44 ap more for the bladed armour talent |
| 11:13.15 | foxlit | mikma: there are some, but you're not getting them |
| 11:13.17 | Wobin | I got the bone armour one |
| 11:13.22 | Wobin | oh sigils |
| 11:13.23 | Wobin | nm |
| 11:13.33 | Wobin | they're all lvl 80, no? |
| 11:13.39 | foxlit | I'm cursing my pestilence glyph every time I run a pug |
| 11:13.45 | Wobin | too much reach? |
| 11:13.55 | foxlit | Indeed, those pug mages tend to sheep too close to me. |
| 11:14.11 | mikma | umm |
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| 11:14.21 | mikma | they should get the glyph of polymorph :P |
| 11:14.26 | Wobin | yeah =) |
| 11:14.27 | mikma | it removes all dots and shit from sheeped targets |
| 11:14.30 | Wobin | best mage glyph ever |
| 11:14.37 | Wobin | after the penguin one |
| 11:14.43 | batrick | eh |
| 11:14.57 | batrick | evocation glyph is the strongest imo |
| 11:14.59 | foxlit | mikma: if they had the brains to recast poly after it broke to diseases, they have the brains to sheep sufficiently far away :) |
| 11:15.07 | Wobin | batrick: from a DK's perspective |
| 11:15.12 | batrick | ah |
| 11:15.18 | Wobin | who cares about mana?! |
| 11:15.37 | batrick | umm, evocation glyph gives you 60% health in addition to the mana gain |
| 11:15.37 | foxlit | I thought of getting Glyph of Icebound Fortitude |
| 11:15.42 | batrick | it's prety fucking amazing for a mage |
| 11:15.42 | foxlit | But the prices on that are unreasonable |
| 11:15.44 | Wobin | yeah? |
| 11:15.52 | Wobin | I'm hoping a guildie gets it =P |
| 11:16.01 | Wobin | batrick: pft, and? =) |
| 11:16.07 | Wobin | That's the mage! |
| 11:16.15 | foxlit | Clearly need Glyph of Invisibility |
| 11:16.16 | Wobin | s'not giving -us- anything =) |
| 11:16.24 | foxlit | and Remove Curse |
| 11:16.31 | batrick | giving a mage a method to heal themself when they have dots on is simply fantastic |
| 11:16.43 | Wobin | zomg, I've yet to see the Glyph of the Bear Cub! |
| 11:17.02 | batrick | does the game explode if you have bear and penguin minor glyphs on? |
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| 11:17.15 | Wobin | aw, not included in game release =( |
| 11:17.23 | Wobin | apparently it chooses the higher glyph slot |
| 11:17.27 | Nom- | *ponder* |
| 11:17.54 | Nom- | I've got a file which I'm about 80% sure is going to contain a virus or trojan, but it's got an authentic looking digital signature |
| 11:18.01 | Nom- | *ponders more* |
| 11:18.08 | Wobin | Nom-: Burn it in fire |
| 11:18.41 | Nom- | It looks like a seriously legit verisign signature |
| 11:18.59 | Nom- | Oh well... what's the worst that could happen? Windows craps itself again, and I install Fedora again |
| 11:19.03 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=2656 |
| 11:19.05 | foxlit | odd stuff |
| 11:19.38 | Wobin | odd? |
| 11:20.00 | foxlit | There's just one rank |
| 11:20.15 | Wobin | yeah, well, it's a sideskill to mining |
| 11:20.28 | foxlit | And yet :) |
| 11:20.30 | Wobin | it feeds into mining skill =P |
| 11:20.46 | foxlit | I mean, they could've done what enchanting does |
| 11:21.15 | foxlit | There's just one "Disenchant" but there are several "Enchanting" |
| 11:22.27 | Wobin | Isn't that what they've done? |
| 11:22.42 | Wobin | There's no inherant rank for smelting |
| 11:23.37 | foxlit | There's apparently one "Mining" and one "Smelting" |
| 11:23.46 | foxlit | but anyhow, all the better for me :) |
| 11:29.06 | bleeter | Nom-: If you do, stick with F9 for now ;) |
| 11:29.14 | Fisker- | http://i34.tinypic.com/33075ly.jpg <-hoho |
| 11:29.26 | Nom- | F10 is out officially now, yeah ? |
| 11:29.52 | Fisker- | if there was a glyph to reduce the toy train cooldown, i'd buy it |
| 11:29.55 | bleeter | yeah, last week.. still quite rough around the edges even after initial updates. But hey, it's Fedora. Seat-of-yer-pants is what it's all about ;) |
| 11:30.10 | Fisker- | F10 has been on my keyboard for ages now |
| 11:30.16 | bleeter | well, I say 'quite rough'... on my lappy it was largely win |
| 11:30.32 | bleeter | having a few issues on my new workstation wrt NetworkManager and nVidia drivers |
| 11:30.47 | bleeter | (two issues, not one that's related... afak) |
| 11:32.23 | foxlit | # I just hope that I can keep them from destroying the earth. |
| 11:33.55 | Wobin | train is the best toy ever |
| 11:34.29 | Thunder_Child | Nod32 just picked up VMware as a virus..... |
| 11:35.04 | foxlit | Good nod! |
| 11:35.40 | Thunder_Child | i would use parallels if i could but it doesnt work on a 64-bit OS |
| 11:35.44 | foxlit | (it's actually correct -- for all you know, it might not be VMware -- but rather some virtualizer pretending to be VMware and stealing your dataz) |
| 11:35.51 | foxlit | oh? |
| 11:35.56 | foxlit | I thought 4 came out and fixed that. |
| 11:36.56 | foxlit | http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/upgrade/ |
| 11:37.02 | foxlit | "32- & 64-bit Guest Computing" + |
| 11:37.40 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, not guest, host |
| 11:37.45 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, there wasnt anything to rip out |
| 11:38.37 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, and i am talking about a windows Host |
| 11:38.44 | Thunder_Child | so 2.2 not 4 |
| 11:38.45 | foxlit | Ah, that might be different. |
| 11:39.00 | Thunder_Child | ya :( i really like parallels |
| 11:39.20 | Thunder_Child | but i need something that can run my hackintosh |
| 11:40.31 | foxlit | Parallels hackish disk sharing annoys me |
| 11:41.00 | foxlit | It doesn't actually tell Finder/OSX that directory contents changed. |
| 11:45.08 | mikma | ~poop |
| 11:45.10 | purl | for me to poop on! |
| 11:46.14 | Fisker- | ~poop mikma |
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| 11:59.02 | foxlit | I'm doing something wrong |
| 11:59.19 | foxlit | GameTooltip_SetDefaultAnchor(GameTooltip, UIParent); GameTooltip:AddLine("blah"); GameTooltip:Show() |
| 11:59.22 | foxlit | yet no tooltip :/ |
| 12:10.58 | mikma | would it be cruel if i would kill these? http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_113008_140836.jpg |
| 12:12.22 | foxlit | yes! |
| 12:12.30 | foxlit | having said that, go for it |
| 12:12.39 | foxlit | evil deathknights are evil |
| 12:12.39 | mikma | then i need to find them |
| 12:13.30 | foxlit | desc.fastClickSlice = fcID and (fcID > id and (fcID - 1) or (fcID ~= id and fcID or nil)) or nil; |
| 12:13.33 | mikma | didn't find the mother, but rest of them are dead now :D |
| 12:13.51 | foxlit | I wonder if that line will come back to haunt me |
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| 12:38.57 | mikma | ok... Rune Strike, which one procs it? My dodge or mobs dodge? |
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| 12:46.21 | Wobin | yours |
| 12:46.32 | Wobin | no wait |
| 12:46.34 | Wobin | yes yours |
| 12:46.55 | Wobin | I can't believe there's a 400dps difference between me and this other DK that wants to tank |
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| 12:57.32 | cladhaire | Are there any good basic DPS meters |
| 12:57.39 | cladhaire | or is the "recount beast" still what we have |
| 12:58.16 | Fisker- | Recount! |
| 12:58.35 | Fisker- | I was afraid as well |
| 12:58.45 | Fisker- | but then i used it and it was ok! |
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| 13:04.12 | Wobin | I like recount |
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| 13:06.10 | Mikk | + WWS when needed :) |
| 13:07.35 | mikma | wobin: help me! |
| 13:07.59 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12164 |
| 13:08.04 | mikma | which plate shoulders are better? |
| 13:11.39 | Wobin | for tanking? |
| 13:11.46 | mikma | well, for dk |
| 13:11.54 | cladhaire | Mikk: whats Violation? |
| 13:12.09 | Industrial | omg nab u dont know |
| 13:12.12 | Industrial | (hi) |
| 13:12.39 | Wobin | anyway |
| 13:12.41 | Wobin | you're unholy |
| 13:12.45 | Wobin | you do magic damage |
| 13:12.51 | Wobin | not needing armour pen |
| 13:13.54 | mikma | so defense ones are better then |
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| 13:14.06 | mikma | i'm most likely going to have to tank some stuff after lvl80 :I |
| 13:14.08 | foxlit | Well, do you plan on tanking before 80? |
| 13:14.36 | mikma | no, not before 80 |
| 13:14.52 | foxlit | Then you'll probably find better tanking gear by the time you hit 80 |
| 13:16.11 | mikma | but for leveling, which one are better? armor penetration or defense? |
| 13:16.22 | foxlit | strength is better. |
| 13:16.49 | foxlit | Don't bother with tanking stats while leveling; death strike > mobs |
| 13:18.54 | Wobin | god save me from idiots who think unholy DKs can't tank =P |
| 13:19.07 | Wobin | I'm 70, and I had 400 more dps than the 71 tank |
| 13:19.11 | Wobin | (not to mention better gear) |
| 13:19.22 | foxlit | god save you from the idiots who think you can switch auras. |
| 13:19.30 | Wobin | heheh |
| 13:19.52 | Wobin | I could probably have forcibly taken over the tanking |
| 13:20.06 | Wobin | ended up doing 35% of the whole damage =\ |
| 13:20.37 | Wobin | I mean, jesus 500 dps? |
| 13:20.43 | Wobin | I was doing that at 61! |
| 13:20.53 | Wobin | worst dk ever =P |
| 13:22.11 | mikma | wow, nice skills at lvl75 |
| 13:22.57 | Wobin | empower? |
| 13:23.19 | mikma | ya, + many many more! |
| 13:23.29 | Wobin | I've been trying unholy presence a bit since I got it |
| 13:23.43 | foxlit | Generally not worth it unless you're DWing? |
| 13:23.43 | Wobin | not -really- useful for rune starved fighting =P |
| 13:23.46 | mikma | tem told me it's good for leveling your weaponskill |
| 13:23.51 | Wobin | oh hells yeah =P |
| 13:24.13 | Wobin | You can level on the training dummies as long as you can hit them |
| 13:24.29 | mikma | errrr, i've heard you *can't* |
| 13:24.46 | Wobin | no I just did today =) |
| 13:24.52 | Wobin | really =) |
| 13:25.00 | Wobin | But you have to be able to hit them |
| 13:25.04 | Wobin | so about 290 |
| 13:25.16 | Wobin | or at least the ones in Ebon Hold |
| 13:26.09 | mikma | i just replaced rune of fallen crusader with rune of swordshattering. 4% more parry chance |
| 13:26.17 | Wobin | yeah, that's nice =) |
| 13:26.26 | mikma | also, ooooooh, red glow :D |
| 13:26.30 | Wobin | I've been dpsing with the crusader |
| 13:26.42 | Wobin | but the healing is a bit too random for me =( |
| 13:26.51 | Fisker- | they should put retribution into crusader :E |
| 13:27.03 | Fisker- | i mean retribution->crusader basically the same shit! |
| 13:27.30 | Fisker- | And then i don't have to find out in the middle of a raid that i've been using crusader aura for a couple of hours |
| 13:28.57 | mikma | hmmh |
| 13:28.59 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/103282 << maddness |
| 13:29.24 | foxlit | It's like madness, but with and extra "d" for extra mad. Apparently. |
| 13:29.27 | mikma | i can't see the actual goodness of onholy aura 2/2 while leveling, because you rarely run (i'll rather go with mount lol) |
| 13:29.44 | foxlit | mikma: you run all the time, really |
| 13:30.03 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfxMZZbgMhxfkMcqMcsuu |
| 13:30.06 | Wobin | agreed |
| 13:30.06 | foxlit | Well, okay, exaggeration. But you generally travel to a high-density mob area, then move form mob to mob |
| 13:30.07 | mikma | was planning on trying that one |
| 13:30.09 | Wobin | I run more than I ride |
| 13:30.29 | Wobin | but still 15% riding -and- walking is better than just 20% riding |
| 13:30.36 | Wobin | imo |
| 13:30.40 | mikma | oh |
| 13:30.43 | Wobin | and I'm not going to spend 5 points on both |
| 13:30.46 | mikma | that affects riding too O_o |
| 13:30.51 | foxlit | you mean 4 |
| 13:30.55 | Wobin | er yeah |
| 13:31.01 | foxlit | but meh |
| 13:31.05 | foxlit | You took two handed spec |
| 13:31.12 | foxlit | but didn't take rage of rivendare? |
| 13:31.26 | Wobin | although, there were times in SlavePens I wanted the fear reduction =) |
| 13:31.32 | mikma | foxlit: still finetuning |
| 13:31.52 | mikma | if unholy aura affects mountspeed, then i'll pass on that one and put the points into rivendare |
| 13:32.09 | foxlit | rivendare > two handed spec, anyway |
| 13:32.29 | foxlit | Or maybe not. Funny how multipliers are evil like that |
| 13:32.39 | Wobin | go bladed armour instead I reckon |
| 13:32.42 | foxlit | 1.06*1.04 vs 1.10*1 |
| 13:32.55 | mikma | wobin: it's not that great imho |
| 13:33.12 | Wobin | scales well though |
| 13:33.29 | mikma | well let's see... |
| 13:33.44 | Fisker- | btw Wobin |
| 13:33.49 | Wobin | ~7950/180 |
| 13:33.50 | purl | 44.166666666667 |
| 13:33.50 | Fisker- | Blizzard is pretty good at failing |
| 13:33.57 | mikma | lua> print((9966/180)*5) |
| 13:33.57 | lua_bot | mikma: 276.83333333333 |
| 13:34.05 | Fisker- | "Oh but we didn't take your auras off GCD due to you could reactively switch it" |
| 13:34.11 | Wobin | Fisker-: this is true =P |
| 13:34.12 | Fisker- | "Err, that's how the DK system is" |
| 13:34.17 | Fisker- | BLA BLA BLA I CANT HEAR YOU |
| 13:34.25 | Wobin | the "Oh shit, the tank ate it. Time to tank =P" |
| 13:34.35 | Wobin | we don't proactively switch =P |
| 13:35.18 | Wobin | oh man, the cobalt armour set looks so much better =) |
| 13:35.24 | Wobin | than my previous BC clownsuit |
| 13:35.27 | Fisker- | I HATE YOU TO HELL BLIZZARD |
| 13:35.34 | foxlit | You updated using BC gear? |
| 13:35.39 | foxlit | Point is, you aren't a death knight. |
| 13:35.41 | Fisker- | Why the fuck did they put a 3 minute cooldown on a quest item that sometime fails |
| 13:35.42 | Fisker- | :( |
| 13:35.44 | foxlit | And your mechanics are different :) |
| 13:36.09 | Wobin | foxlit: I probably could have made it through BC without upgrading |
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| 13:36.14 | Wobin | but I wanted to practise tanking |
| 13:36.24 | Wobin | and that needed more armour |
| 13:36.31 | Fisker- | i hate drake hunt so much now |
| 13:36.32 | Fisker- | :( |
| 13:36.50 | Fisker- | There's a drake i can catch, oh it evaded *3 mins cooldown* |
| 13:36.59 | Fisker- | 5 drakes later *still cooldown* |
| 13:37.03 | Fisker- | :E |
| 13:37.48 | mikma | wobin: http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_113008_153647.jpg |
| 13:38.09 | Wobin | nice =) |
| 13:38.24 | mikma | wobin: back to bladed armor. it's 276.83333333333 ap on my dk atm |
| 13:38.56 | mikma | and if most of the spells scale with weapon damage instead of AP .. |
| 13:39.03 | mikma | i don't see big change in that |
| 13:40.19 | abyx | so... the mage aoe farming spot in icecrown is pretty amazing |
| 13:40.58 | abyx | ~500g/hr |
| 13:43.28 | Wobin | mikma: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30938059@N08/3070210695/ |
| 13:44.25 | mikma | lololo colbalt! |
| 13:44.38 | mikma | looks kinky on tuaren, i admit |
| 13:45.08 | Fisker- | that pet is unacceptable Wobin |
| 13:45.45 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:46.09 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfxMZZbgMhxckMcqMcsut |
| 13:46.48 | mikma | dunno where to whack the 5 missing skills, but going to respec at lvl80 to, something |
| 13:47.38 | foxlit | outbreak, morbidity, impurity |
| 13:47.43 | Wobin | subversion isn't really useful for unholy |
| 13:47.48 | foxlit | Necrosis? |
| 13:47.48 | Wobin | unless you use obliterate a lot |
| 13:47.55 | Wobin | which is... silly |
| 13:47.55 | foxlit | Chances are you have a slow weapon, lose it. |
| 13:48.20 | Wobin | since a lot of our damage is through disease and you don't have the non dedisease skill |
| 13:48.33 | Wobin | (Annhilation) |
| 13:48.55 | mikma | mmkay |
| 13:49.05 | Wobin | and you don't -really- need to worry -too- much about threat |
| 13:49.33 | Wobin | unless you're massively outdamaging others and they're not DKs in frost presence |
| 13:49.47 | mikma | foxlit: lose necrosis? |
| 13:50.13 | Wobin | that's only affecting auto attack |
| 13:50.18 | mikma | well, solo build, don't plan on grouping alot |
| 13:50.27 | Wobin | so threat isn't really an issue at all =) |
| 13:50.41 | mikma | then i need to figure out where to put the skills instead :D |
| 13:51.21 | Wobin | I'd say morbidity if you use D&D a lot |
| 13:51.27 | Wobin | it's really good on group pulls |
| 13:51.37 | Wobin | otherwise Outbreak |
| 13:51.52 | mikma | still two points |
| 13:52.03 | cladhaire | what are Outbreak and Morbidity |
| 13:52.06 | cladhaire | which tree are these? |
| 13:52.09 | Wobin | unholy |
| 13:52.21 | Wobin | yeah, I'm still having problems matching the talents to the trees =) |
| 13:53.10 | cladhaire | oh okay |
| 13:53.33 | Wobin | Virulance |
| 13:53.48 | Wobin | actually... |
| 13:53.57 | Wobin | I don't know if that only affects Deathcoil an the like |
| 13:54.09 | Wobin | we don't have much in the way of 'spells' |
| 13:54.29 | mikma | bleh, this is harder than i thought heh |
| 13:55.19 | Wobin | D&D, Deathcoil and Unholy blight are the only 'spells' |
| 13:55.28 | mikma | i wonder should i just dump Summon Gargoyle and Unhly Blight since i don't use them that much when soloing |
| 13:55.30 | Wobin | hm, except maybe Scourge strike |
| 13:55.41 | Wobin | UB is great for soloing |
| 13:55.53 | Wobin | Although you have to remember to drop it |
| 13:56.06 | mikma | same goes with Bone Shield :D |
| 13:56.17 | Wobin | but you generally have enough RP after the normal setup for UB |
| 13:56.30 | Wobin | and it works if you're knocked down or stunned |
| 13:56.36 | mikma | i *never* remember to use them, and when i do, SS loses one rune |
| 13:56.59 | Wobin | BS I tend to pop in emergencies |
| 13:57.05 | Wobin | unless I'm doing dps in a group |
| 13:57.12 | Wobin | UB only uses runic power |
| 13:57.12 | mikma | i just use the icebound fortitude instead :P |
| 13:57.42 | Wobin | oh Garg and BS |
| 13:57.43 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:57.47 | Wobin | I hardly use Garg |
| 13:57.55 | Wobin | So I'm not really sure as to how good it actually is |
| 13:58.00 | cladhaire | garg is really good single target dps |
| 13:58.03 | Wobin | but it's only one point |
| 13:58.06 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:58.15 | mikma | cladhaire: yeah, when soloing elites and if you remember to use it lol |
| 13:58.21 | Wobin | I just have to concentrate harder to maintain enough RP to keep him there =) |
| 13:58.26 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 13:58.45 | mikma | wobin: it's like, less than 100, don't bother hehe |
| 13:59.50 | Wobin | oh hm |
| 13:59.55 | Wobin | my garg does... 285 dps |
| 14:00.07 | Wobin | and my ghoul does 160 |
| 14:00.35 | mikma | yeah but your ghoul is there always |
| 14:00.41 | Wobin | yeah |
| 14:01.07 | Wobin | aha, now I'm donig 786 dps =P |
| 14:01.10 | mikma | i think i'm gonna scrap Bone Armor and Cargoyle |
| 14:01.10 | Wobin | without pets added in |
| 14:01.22 | cladhaire | Scrap Bone Armor? |
| 14:01.27 | cladhaire | Why on earth would you do that? |
| 14:01.30 | Wobin | Personally I'd keep BA |
| 14:01.43 | mikma | 1) it uses unholy rune, 2) it has way too long cooldown |
| 14:01.44 | cladhaire | Bone Armor is amazing |
| 14:01.46 | cladhaire | ... |
| 14:01.51 | Wobin | it's 1min |
| 14:01.55 | cladhaire | its not part of your rotation |
| 14:01.56 | Wobin | and you cast it before you go in |
| 14:01.57 | cladhaire | its an oh-shit button |
| 14:02.02 | cladhaire | so those are BS reasons :P |
| 14:02.04 | cladhaire | you cast beforeyou go in |
| 14:02.07 | cladhaire | free 2% damage |
| 14:02.10 | cladhaire | and 40% damage reduction |
| 14:02.11 | mikma | cladhaire: Icebound Fortitude is oh shi... -button |
| 14:02.14 | Wobin | no no |
| 14:02.16 | cladhaire | they both are |
| 14:02.20 | Wobin | BA -and- IF is oh shit buttons |
| 14:02.24 | cladhaire | yes |
| 14:02.28 | cladhaire | it would be silly to not take BA |
| 14:02.40 | Wobin | 80% reduction (if it's additive, which I hope it is) |
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| 14:02.56 | cladhaire | even if not |
| 14:02.56 | Wobin | whatever it is, it's enough to keep you alive =) |
| 14:03.07 | cladhaire | too good to not take |
| 14:03.12 | mikma | usually it's like this: i cast it before combat. mobs beat it down, 50 seconds CD left |
| 14:03.18 | mikma | combat ends, 30 seconds |
| 14:03.33 | cladhaire | so you cast it once every 2 fights |
| 14:03.36 | cladhaire | its + 2% damage |
| 14:03.40 | cladhaire | and free mitigation |
| 14:03.45 | cladhaire | i dont understand why this is a bad thing |
| 14:03.53 | Wobin | or cast it more than a minute before battle =) |
| 14:03.55 | cladhaire | one of the best talents we have |
| 14:04.01 | mikma | it's not a bad thing, it's just something that i don't use that much |
| 14:04.07 | Wobin | I've glyphhed for extra bone |
| 14:04.11 | cladhaire | i use it constantly |
| 14:04.12 | mikma | wobin: that i have :) |
| 14:05.01 | Wobin | hm, the Frost 51 pointer |
| 14:05.16 | Wobin | not that useful when there's -another- dk in the party =P |
| 14:05.26 | mikma | umm... |
| 14:05.34 | Wobin | except for the free frost fever |
| 14:05.42 | Wobin | 60RP 'free' |
| 14:05.46 | mikma | gargoyle can be kept alive in long battle just as long you have runic power? |
| 14:05.51 | Wobin | for one minute |
| 14:05.53 | Wobin | yeah |
| 14:06.05 | Wobin | Dancing Rune Sword doesn't need an upkeep |
| 14:06.10 | Wobin | but it only lasts 10sec |
| 14:06.16 | Wobin | and is only as good as your current weapon |
| 14:06.30 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 14:06.31 | Wobin | no I'm wrong |
| 14:06.35 | Wobin | it has an upkeep too |
| 14:06.53 | cladhaire | 3DRS sucks |
| 14:06.57 | cladhaire | always has |
| 14:07.00 | mikma | my friend says blood-build is the shit and he loves it, lol |
| 14:07.14 | Wobin | 3? |
| 14:07.34 | cladhaire | I meant DRS |
| 14:07.37 | cladhaire | Blood can be nice |
| 14:07.40 | cladhaire | but unholy is better :P |
| 14:07.43 | Wobin | sotrue =) |
| 14:08.06 | mikma | wobin: just got http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41357 and http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41345 for free O_o |
| 14:08.12 | Wobin | any class where you can do 1.5kdps at level 67... |
| 14:08.30 | cladhaire | hell, I do 728 at level 63 :P |
| 14:08.47 | cladhaire | and thats with a tanking dps build |
| 14:08.48 | Fisker- | I DO OVER NINE THOUSAND |
| 14:08.57 | cladhaire | err pvp |
| 14:09.31 | Wobin | of course my situation was a bit contrived =P |
| 14:09.46 | Wobin | we pulled the bottom level of UB before the water monster boss |
| 14:09.52 | Wobin | with two healers |
| 14:09.54 | cladhaire | lol |
| 14:10.18 | Wobin | was it -ever- fun though! =) |
| 14:11.16 | Nom- | gnomish army knife is hot |
| 14:11.23 | mikma | bleh |
| 14:11.36 | mikma | i still can't make up my mind about the gargoyle :P |
| 14:12.05 | Nom- | You've no idea how annoying it can be at times to carry around blacksmith hammer, mining pick, flint and tinder etc |
| 14:12.14 | mikma | lol that anti-magic zone looks cool |
| 14:12.16 | foxlit | I decided against it, purely on the I-don't-want-another-button reason |
| 14:12.21 | mikma | that will rule in pvp |
| 14:12.22 | Wobin | antimagic is kinda cool |
| 14:12.27 | Wobin | but painful in points to get |
| 14:12.51 | mikma | well i don't know about that one wobin |
| 14:12.57 | mikma | currently: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jbxMZZbgGI0coMcqMcsut |
| 14:13.03 | mikma | and no idea where to take it from that point |
| 14:13.15 | mikma | 8 points to go |
| 14:13.35 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:13.51 | mikma | that's based on the info you folks gave me :P |
| 14:13.58 | mikma | "that one sucks" "this one rules" |
| 14:14.23 | Wobin | You could go Toughness |
| 14:14.26 | Wobin | for the armour boost |
| 14:14.42 | foxlit | You should go for Toughness if you're planning to tank |
| 14:14.42 | Wobin | or Morbidity if you D&D |
| 14:14.50 | mikma | i rarely D&D |
| 14:14.54 | Wobin | I think he's planning on respeccing at 80 |
| 14:14.58 | Wobin | to tank |
| 14:14.59 | mikma | unless i get a surprise buttsecks |
| 14:15.13 | foxlit | Wobin: in that case, drop anticipation and get morbidity |
| 14:15.22 | foxlit | which frees up another 2 points |
| 14:15.51 | foxlit | D&D is awesome for group tanking; and, really, makes pulls of three viable while grinding. |
| 14:15.52 | mikma | well i'm not 100% sure whats the spec that's "needed" in highend heroics :P |
| 14:16.04 | foxlit | Nothing's "needed" |
| 14:16.05 | Wobin | s'true |
| 14:16.14 | Wobin | if you can maintain aggro |
| 14:16.14 | mikma | ya, it's "needed" :O |
| 14:16.21 | Wobin | and stay alive, then you win! |
| 14:17.02 | mikma | and i have no idea how dk can tank in heroics |
| 14:17.04 | foxlit | I hate how unpredictable heroic difficulty is |
| 14:17.20 | foxlit | mikma: by hitting buttons really, really hard. |
| 14:17.35 | mikma | i don't wan't to break my keyboard |
| 14:17.35 | Wobin | yeah, I'll be interested to see how we do |
| 14:17.53 | foxlit | Generally, fine. |
| 14:18.00 | mikma | basicly, it's pvp/heroics |
| 14:18.09 | mikma | so i'm guessing i'll try to stick in as dps |
| 14:18.13 | foxlit | My blue-ish gear works for VH, stone halls, although some healers take it better than others. |
| 14:18.31 | foxlit | Nexus. |
| 14:19.38 | foxlit | I'm also completely convinced of the uselessness of the blizzard combat log |
| 14:19.58 | foxlit | "What happened to me" filter doesn't tell you what you want to know more often than not. |
| 14:20.41 | mikma | wobin: Impurity 5/5, 25% more damage into spells from AP.. doesn't that sound hot? |
| 14:21.11 | Wobin | It makes my D&D do lots of damage =) |
| 14:21.17 | Wobin | along with my UB =) |
| 14:21.18 | foxlit | Death coil, too |
| 14:21.29 | foxlit | ~1.5k hits |
| 14:21.39 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jbEMZZfg0I0cogcqMcsut |
| 14:21.44 | Wobin | ~1432/4 |
| 14:21.45 | purl | 358 |
| 14:21.55 | mikma | that would make the spells be really nasty |
| 14:22.07 | Wobin | +360 in any + damage is nothing to be sneezed at |
| 14:22.11 | mikma | bladed armor 5/5 is +300ap more |
| 14:22.19 | mikma | and combine it with 25% more damage |
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| 14:23.02 | Wobin | unholy have advantages in death strike over frost |
| 14:23.08 | Wobin | cause we have three diseases to work from |
| 14:23.25 | Wobin | if you have Ebon Plaguebringer (which you totally should =)) |
| 14:23.26 | mikma | i think i'm going with the build i linked |
| 14:23.31 | mikma | that'll be good for a while :) |
| 14:23.48 | Fisker- | I HATE EVERYTHING |
| 14:24.02 | Wobin | looks good Mik |
| 14:24.03 | Fisker- | "Ooh a mage who thinks he can escape by jumping to his death" |
| 14:24.07 | Fisker- | *follows the mage* |
| 14:24.10 | Fisker- | *mage iceblocks* |
| 14:24.28 | Fisker- | *Fisker divine shiel...divine shiel.. divine shiel... DEAD* |
| 14:24.30 | Fisker- | FUFUFUFUFUFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 14:24.56 | cbreak | I got quite fond of the slow fall gem |
| 14:25.09 | abyx | slow fall glyph is so awesome |
| 14:25.13 | mikma | wobin: so basicly, how is the +damage calculated in "25% benefit from your attack power"? |
| 14:25.21 | Coren{de} | that hate is at least non-discriminatory :> |
| 14:25.22 | Wobin | same as any spellpower I imagine |
| 14:25.35 | Wobin | over the life of the spell for any prolonged one |
| 14:25.39 | Fisker- | makes no sense |
| 14:25.43 | Fisker- | didn't have forbearance |
| 14:25.48 | cbreak | it has saved my life a few times, when the mount bugged again when flying to borean thundra |
| 14:25.55 | cbreak | or various other places |
| 14:25.59 | Fisker- | DS just triggered GCD and didn't do shit for 4-5 times before i died |
| 14:26.03 | Wobin | cbreak: lrn2blinkdrop? |
| 14:26.06 | Wobin | or has that been fixed |
| 14:26.12 | cbreak | no, still works |
| 14:26.17 | Wobin | I loved that |
| 14:26.20 | mikma | ~1567*0.25 |
| 14:26.21 | purl | 391.75 |
| 14:26.21 | Wobin | (except in high lag) |
| 14:26.22 | cbreak | but it's not very reliable with all the load lag I have |
| 14:26.43 | mikma | err |
| 14:26.49 | cbreak | when I fall from my standard flight height, that takes about half a minute at least, and the last parts are load lagged |
| 14:26.49 | mikma | that can't be correct |
| 14:26.50 | Coren{de} | so it requires the heart of an adventurer to use... :D |
| 14:27.24 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:27.31 | cbreak | lots of ram :) |
| 14:27.35 | mikma | wobin: that can't be right, can't it? |
| 14:27.36 | Wobin | I'm reminded of the whale in HHGTTG |
| 14:27.45 | Wobin | mikma: We need nerfing, don't we? =P |
| 14:27.51 | mikma | wobin: "who am i, what's this thing boing by me fast?" |
| 14:27.53 | Coren{de} | cbreak: >19GB? >:-) |
| 14:27.53 | mikma | going* |
| 14:28.00 | cbreak | yes! |
| 14:28.11 | mikma | wobin: but that *can't* be right? +391 spelldamage? |
| 14:28.13 | cbreak | I need to play lotto... |
| 14:28.28 | Fisker- | the funniest part about ganking people on that drake daily ledge in coldarra is the lack of graveyard there |
| 14:28.29 | Fisker- | :D |
| 14:29.02 | foxlit | There's probably another coefficient, mikma |
| 14:29.26 | foxlit | I need an IsCompanionUsable(type, id) |
| 14:29.30 | foxlit | any ideas? |
| 14:29.36 | Wobin | mikma: I dunno |
| 14:29.36 | Wobin | So if a spell is receiving 10% of the DK's AP as spell power, Impurity's (max invested) 25% would be based off that number, thus giving a 12.5% increase (25% of 10% = 2.5%) and not an extra 25% of the DK's AP as many initially thought. |
| 14:29.37 | mikma | foxlit: shouldn't be, the tooltip says it all |
| 14:29.41 | Wobin | that's from wowhead |
| 14:29.44 | mikma | Your spells receive an additional 25% benefit from your attack power. |
| 14:30.20 | abyx | 12.5% makes sense to me |
| 14:30.24 | foxlit | additional 25% benefit; perhaps the original benefit isn't 100% |
| 14:30.25 | Coren{de} | the "additional" there looks fishy... is there a base ap->sp conversion for the class? |
| 14:30.36 | foxlit | Coren{de}: it's probably per-spell |
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| 14:31.28 | Lothaer | morning guys and gals |
| 14:31.47 | Coren{de} | well, it likely follows the standard logic of 100% = 3.5s casttime, shorter = less%... but I think mikma has factored that part out :) |
| 14:32.08 | mikma | no i haven't |
| 14:32.22 | foxlit | Did the concise changes list on US forums reach the max topic length? |
| 14:34.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (i=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
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| 14:34.22 | Wobin | mikma: http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t36775-death_knight_simple_questions_simple_answers/p6/#post979859 |
| 14:34.57 | Shirik | There's snow on the ground again |
| 14:35.01 | Shirik | it's all white and evil |
| 14:35.02 | Wobin | it actually says "recieves additional 25% benefit" |
| 14:35.08 | Wobin | which means the normal benefit +25% |
| 14:35.21 | Shirik | Does it say "recieves"? |
| 14:35.28 | Wobin | yes |
| 14:35.30 | Wobin | well |
| 14:35.34 | Wobin | recieve |
| 14:35.49 | Shirik | uh |
| 14:35.51 | Shirik | receive? |
| 14:35.52 | Wobin | "Your spells receive an additional 25% benefit from your attack power" |
| 14:35.54 | cbreak | 25% of what? |
| 14:35.59 | Shirik | there you go :P |
| 14:36.01 | Wobin | of the normal AP benefit |
| 14:36.01 | foxlit | of the original benefit |
| 14:36.12 | Wobin | not 25% of AP =) |
| 14:36.38 | cbreak | the mage talents that increase the crit damage by 100% double the crit bonus from 50% of the original spell damage to 100%. So it would make sense. |
| 14:36.48 | cbreak | make sense that they mean the original benefit |
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| 14:37.50 | foxlit | On the off chance there are more people around: |
| 14:38.00 | foxlit | I need an IsCompanionUsable(type, id); any ideas as to how to get that? |
| 14:38.14 | Shirik | usable? |
| 14:38.25 | foxlit | similar to IsSpellUsable |
| 14:38.35 | Shirik | but why wouldn't a companion be usable, aside from a mount? |
| 14:38.49 | foxlit | It's a mount :) |
| 14:38.56 | foxlit | Dalaran blocks flying mounts, for example. |
| 14:39.08 | Shirik | yeah well [flyable] doesn't really work there either |
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| 14:39.17 | ZorbaTHut | I don't believe there's any way to get that besides "try it and see" |
| 14:39.17 | foxlit | But actionbars do |
| 14:39.20 | Fisker- | I think someone doesn't like me that much anymore |
| 14:39.30 | Shirik | isn't it a spell anyway? |
| 14:39.31 | Fisker- | First i kill him on those rings at the daily in Coldarra/Nexus |
| 14:39.35 | Fisker- | Then he has to spirit res |
| 14:39.42 | Fisker- | then i almost kill him again but he jumps to his death instead |
| 14:39.44 | foxlit | Yes, Shirik, but it's not a "real" spell |
| 14:39.51 | Fisker- | then he gets up there again and i kill him again having him spirit res |
| 14:39.52 | Fisker- | :DDD |
| 14:39.52 | Shirik | so you can't use IsSpellUsable? |
| 14:39.53 | foxlit | Rather, you're not recognized as being able to cast it |
| 14:40.00 | Shirik | hm |
| 14:40.05 | foxlit | It's not in your spellbook, it won't be translated by GetSpellInfo etc |
| 14:40.28 | foxlit | I'm working around the latter by building a name->sid map of companion spells and asking for id-based data instead |
| 14:40.44 | Coren{de} | Shirik, afaik [flyable] works quite well even in Dalaran, it's only confusing that it is different per *sub*zone :) |
| 14:41.15 | Shirik | I can promise you it doesn't work at all unless you have some addon to resolve the problem (which doesn't make much sense to me because I think that should break secure templates) |
| 14:41.25 | Shirik | because I encountered that problem all yesterday |
| 14:41.47 | Shirik | and right now |
| 14:42.31 | cbreak | it doesn't work for me Coren{de}. |
| 14:42.46 | cbreak | flyable was broken in the whole damn continent |
| 14:42.51 | cbreak | including dalaran |
| 14:42.56 | Shirik | the whole continent? |
| 14:43.06 | Shirik | dalaran is the only place I've had problems |
| 14:43.12 | foxlit | It doesn't take into account cold-weather flying, I think |
| 14:43.14 | Shirik | and I have a valid reason for why dalaran won't let you |
| 14:43.16 | cbreak | yeah |
| 14:43.17 | foxlit | But that's a separate issue. |
| 14:43.33 | mikma | too bad there aint no api that returns true if asked spedd is on cooldown (GCD excluded) |
| 14:43.34 | Shirik | I think it is correct(ish) that dalaran is listed as a flyable area |
| 14:43.44 | mikma | spell* |
| 14:43.57 | cbreak | if I can't fly there, it should not be flyable |
| 14:44.09 | cbreak | after all, the only purpose of flyable is to decide wether to use a flying or a ground mount |
| 14:44.16 | Shirik | not my fault you're nub :P |
| 14:44.25 | Fisker- | third times the charm |
| 14:44.28 | Fisker- | he is PISSED |
| 14:44.31 | Fisker- | :D |
| 14:45.19 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, if it isn't flyable, it shouldn't be flyable. implementation details aside, it's kind of annoying that the client is just blatantly wrong :P |
| 14:46.24 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:46.25 | Wobin | if you use Raise Dead while Dancing Rune Weapon is active, it will summon a second ghoul that will last for the remainder the DRW's duration. I haven't levelled high enough to test it, or asked a level 80 player to, but I suspect the same sort of thing can happen with Army of the Dead. |
| 14:46.33 | Wobin | that's kinda cool |
| 14:46.49 | cladhaire | whoa |
| 14:46.58 | cladhaire | that is really cool |
| 14:49.02 | Lothaer | wow imma test that out right now :D |
| 14:49.04 | Wobin | unconfirmed mind you =) |
| 14:49.10 | Lothaer | brb |
| 14:49.10 | Wobin | let us know, Loth? =) |
| 14:49.37 | cladhaire | wow |
| 14:49.38 | mikma | oh yeah, like in beta |
| 14:49.41 | cladhaire | I have no idea what glyphs to take |
| 14:49.46 | mikma | raise dead -> all corpses around raised |
| 14:49.51 | mikma | insta-army |
| 14:49.55 | Coren{de} | just tried again, I get [flyable] only on the balcony where the route griffon starts and nowhere else, which is what I'd expect... I lack cold weather flying and get an error message, but that's not wrong with [flyable] but my laziness ;) |
| 14:50.22 | Wobin | cladhaire: That EJ page is pretty good |
| 14:50.26 | mikma | cladhaire: yeah, i had the same problem. let's see... |
| 14:50.46 | cladhaire | which EJ page |
| 14:51.40 | mikma | glyph of scourge strike, glyph of bone shield .. glyph of horn of winter, glyph of death's embrace, glyph of raise dead |
| 14:51.42 | Wobin | http://elitistjerks.com/f72/ |
| 14:51.47 | Wobin | It has a DPS compendium |
| 14:51.50 | Wobin | and a tanking thread |
| 14:51.50 | mikma | i have those, the first two are major glyps :P |
| 14:52.11 | Coren{de} | i.e. subzone = Krasus thingy place ("Aire de Krasus" in French in case you ever wanted to know :p) = [flyable], everything else Dalaranish = [noflyable], working as expected and intended :> |
| 14:52.47 | Wobin | I just got Pestilence and Blood tap for my minors |
| 14:52.47 | mikma | wobin: just don't ever ever try to type stuff in EJ forums ;) |
| 14:52.51 | Wobin | yeah =) |
| 14:53.04 | Wobin | Although that's mostly due to availability |
| 14:53.29 | mikma | 5. How to DPS as a Death Knight |
| 14:53.33 | mikma | [1] Don't die. |
| 14:53.46 | Wobin | always a good rule |
| 14:54.17 | Lothaer | OMG IT WORKS |
| 14:54.26 | Wobin | rofl |
| 14:54.37 | mikma | lothaer: screenshot or it didn't |
| 14:54.38 | Lothaer | ss inc |
| 14:55.14 | Coren{de} | I like the longer version more that I was taught by a friend: A ghost does 0 DPS, sustained... |
| 14:55.41 | mikma | :D |
| 14:55.52 | cbreak | Terrong Gorefiend. |
| 14:56.53 | Wobin | hang on... the tooltip for DRW says it costs 50RP |
| 14:57.04 | Wobin | but then it says "unleashes all available rune power..." |
| 14:57.17 | cbreak | like execute? |
| 14:57.18 | mikma | hmmmm |
| 14:57.27 | Fisker- | yeah Wobin |
| 14:57.32 | cbreak | execute has a cost, but the remaining rage gets converted to pure damage |
| 14:57.34 | Lothaer | http://s60.photobucket.com/albums/h10/lothaer/?action=view¤t=WoWScrnShot_120108_012401.jpg |
| 14:57.39 | Fisker- | if they didn't change it the DRW actually last longer the more rune power you have |
| 14:57.42 | mikma | apparently blood is good for raiding |
| 14:57.57 | Lothaer | in that SS its about to disappear as DRW as run out :D |
| 14:58.12 | Lothaer | Fisker: true |
| 14:58.25 | cladhaire | Glyph of Death Strike is really good |
| 14:58.45 | mikma | cladhaire: i swapped that one to bone shield, i think |
| 14:58.53 | Lothaer | 50 RP and its out for 10secs and 1 additional sec per 5 RP after the summin |
| 14:59.01 | Coren{de} | as this is a more likely audience... anyone playing WoW on Linux and having trouble on the ground below Dalaran (besides me :D)? |
| 14:59.06 | Lothaer | so a max of 20secs |
| 14:59.22 | Wobin | ah |
| 14:59.30 | Wobin | while garg can last a minute if the upkeep is maintained |
| 14:59.48 | cladhaire | Death Strike > Scourge Strike? |
| 14:59.57 | Wobin | not for damage...? |
| 15:00.16 | cladhaire | well, scourge doesn't do any extra damage |
| 15:00.21 | Wobin | SS does more damage per disease |
| 15:00.24 | cladhaire | it just causes the diseases |
| 15:00.24 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 15:00.31 | Wobin | wait SS? |
| 15:00.32 | cladhaire | but if you're using ss, you probably have the diseases up already |
| 15:00.37 | Wobin | You mean PT and IT? |
| 15:00.40 | mikma | ss replenishes the diseases |
| 15:00.43 | Wobin | er PS |
| 15:00.44 | mikma | if the glyph procs |
| 15:00.53 | Wobin | oh the glyph |
| 15:00.57 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 15:01.00 | cladhaire | glyphs :P |
| 15:01.02 | Wobin | hehe |
| 15:01.10 | Wobin | imo the deathstrike one is better |
| 15:01.23 | Wobin | cause as you said |
| 15:01.38 | mikma | i like scourge too, was nice to whoop 4x SS in a row without having to renew the diseases :D |
| 15:02.05 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 15:02.10 | cladhaire | i'm not a fan of procs |
| 15:02.16 | cladhaire | DS is always working :P |
| 15:03.33 | ZorbaTHut | I spend an annoying amount of gold debugging questhelper |
| 15:03.53 | Wobin | I have BS and Pestilence |
| 15:04.03 | Wobin | I don't know if I want to swap one out for Deathstrike |
| 15:04.11 | Wobin | despite how tempting it is |
| 15:04.30 | mikma | Army of the Dead is another "oh shit" spell which is a channeled spell that summons a ghoul for every second you channeled. |
| 15:04.34 | mikma | lol! |
| 15:04.51 | mikma | This spell is useful in situations where a wipe is imminent, as the ten (needs to be verified) ghouls are great cannon fodder, since they will taunt the boss and get killed, giving you time to breathe. |
| 15:04.57 | mikma | damn, brilliant text :D |
| 15:04.59 | Pneumatus | anyone know if it's possible to get the duration of a time limited item without scanning the tooltip, so you can get the exact time remaining? |
| 15:05.22 | mikma | pneumatus: have a look how tuller does it in OmniCC |
| 15:05.57 | Pneumatus | mikma: OmniCC only tells you if the item has a cooldown, not just a flat duration |
| 15:07.16 | mikma | pneumatus: mine does tell me how long the CD on the item is |
| 15:07.35 | Pneumatus | i'm not talking about cooldowns, im talking about durations on time limited items |
| 15:07.36 | mikma | cladhaire, wobin: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43545 |
| 15:07.49 | mikma | ooh, right, duration |
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| 15:08.37 | Shirik | ok time to get ready for flight |
| 15:08.40 | Shirik | see you all later |
| 15:09.03 | mikma | bibi |
| 15:10.15 | mikma | damn, http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=49480 |
| 15:16.10 | Wobin | it's not actually in the game is it? |
| 15:16.32 | Fisker- | 4th strike :DD |
| 15:16.47 | Fisker- | that pala must be "FUFUFUFFUFUFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" |
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| 15:19.11 | Wobin | mark of blood is so good in pvp vs another DK |
| 15:19.16 | Wobin | like an unholy =P |
| 15:19.30 | Wobin | all of a sudden, all your diseases you put on me are turned into hots =P |
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| 15:20.31 | Lothaer | yeah thats freaking sweet :D |
| 15:20.36 | Lothaer | blood is soo fun |
| 15:20.45 | Lothaer | mind unholy is good too |
| 15:21.03 | Fisker- | awww |
| 15:21.08 | Fisker- | the paladin stopped coming up there :( |
| 15:22.04 | Lothaer | unholy DKs own Ret paladins |
| 15:22.21 | Lothaer | just stay in the antimagtic zone |
| 15:22.22 | Lothaer | :D |
| 15:22.26 | Wobin | hehehe |
| 15:22.40 | Fisker- | and the unholy ones even woop me if i do get them killed |
| 15:22.54 | Fisker- | might want to tune down the ghoul thing |
| 15:23.10 | Gr3Ger | Heya, sorry for interrupting your conversation. but can someone give me some pointers on a couple of things regarding addon development? I'm trying to make a basic addon here and it isn't going all that well XD I'm trying to make a simple HW addon that reads from a textfield and then prints out the message through the message() API |
| 15:23.47 | cbreak | where's the problem? |
| 15:24.56 | Gr3Ger | I don't know how to make a function to read from the textfield and then print it out through message() |
| 15:25.09 | Wobin | http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/11/30/like-playin-with-the-houses-money/ |
| 15:25.14 | Wobin | he makes me want to play a hunter again |
| 15:25.41 | Wobin | Fisker-: Yeah, I'm surprised at the ghoul dps |
| 15:25.50 | Wobin | we're actually pretty decent after we die |
| 15:26.14 | Gr3Ger | right now I have a button and a textfield in the UI, but it doesn't do anything yet. |
| 15:26.16 | Wobin | I wish we didn't ahve to stand still to blow up though |
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| 15:30.05 | cbreak | well, add handlers for OnClick in the button |
| 15:30.20 | cbreak | probably to hide the frame with the field, read the text, and display the message |
| 15:31.27 | Gr3Ger | I have a handler for OnClick and onTextChanged. |
| 15:32.39 | Gr3Ger | I've only worked with c++ c# before so LUA is completely new to me -_-' |
| 15:32.54 | krka | Gr3Ger: No reason to yell the name of the langage. :-) |
| 15:33.06 | foxlit | teehee, Malygos with 13.5k hp |
| 15:33.09 | Gr3Ger | haha, sry ;D |
| 15:33.16 | foxlit | Heck, a few Flame Spikes, and he should be dead! |
| 15:34.10 | Gr3Ger | and btw. What is the command for hiding the Frame? |
| 15:36.17 | Wobin | :Hide() |
| 15:38.12 | Gr3Ger | Fram1.Hide(); ? |
| 15:38.35 | cladhaire | Are there any lexicon's of power in honor hold? |
| 15:40.26 | cladhaire | guess not. |
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| 15:41.00 | Fisker- | FUFUFUFUFUFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 15:41.09 | Fisker- | The mockerer has become the mocked :( |
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| 15:41.41 | Fisker- | Was just afk for a few minutes and came back dead on the ledge |
| 15:41.49 | Fisker- | so now i gotta spirit ress :( |
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| 15:42.03 | Coren{de} | Gr3Ger, there's a minitutorial on WoWWiki I think |
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| 15:43.29 | Coren{de} | Gr3Ger: and most important if you get your information from WoWWiki or any other site, most haven't completed yet the this -> self transition that 3.0 brought upon us |
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| 15:46.47 | Coren{de} | Gr3Ger, and you might want to read a bit about the syntactic suger that : is really standing for in lua :) |
| 15:47.28 | Gr3Ger | sorry, got DCed for a moment there XD Did you say anything between I asked about Frame1.Hide(); and you mentioning syntatic? |
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| 15:49.31 | Gr3Ger | And yes, I need to read more about LUA, I know, but I just wanted to do some basic stuff to get the hang of it. I've managed to set a static message and send it with the button. But the only thing I want to know right now is how to store the contents of the textbox into a variable |
| 15:49.32 | Coren{de} | I said there's a minitutorial on WoWWiki, and most important if you get your information from WoWWiki or any other site, most haven't completed yet the this -> self transition that 3.0 brought upon us :) |
| 15:49.47 | krka | Gr3Ger: Lua is actually a portuguese word and it means "moon" ^_^ |
| 15:50.33 | Coren{de} | http://www.wowwiki.com/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions |
| 15:50.59 | Gr3Ger | wasn't really what I was looking for but... yeah sure ^^ I'll look into it |
| 15:51.25 | Coren{de} | lua is not strongly typed, so anything is a variable |
| 15:51.38 | mikma | fisker-: ahahahahhahahahahaha |
| 15:51.49 | Fisker- | :( |
| 15:51.59 | cladhaire | You could always read the book we wrote |
| 15:52.05 | cladhaire | but perhaps I'm partial =/ |
| 15:52.22 | Coren{de} | a = 5; b = "6"; c = function(stuff) begin foo() end; d = { e = c }; d.e(some); |
| 15:52.24 | Fisker- | you need to make a song though |
| 15:52.34 | Fisker- | It's a piece of cake to create an addon |
| 15:53.11 | Gr3Ger | I'll try to explain my code in more detail: If you can't print the contents of the textbox directly you have to save it temporarily. Like this: OnTextChanged: tempstring = the contents of the textbox. OnButton1_click: message(tempstring); |
| 15:53.14 | Fisker- | You gotta do the programming by cladhaire's book |
| 15:53.24 | Coren{de} | anything not assigned equals nil, unfortunately false also equals nil, so don't use false/true but 0/1 for variables you store |
| 15:53.52 | mikma | wait what? |
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| 15:54.01 | Coren{de} | you don't need to store in OnTextChanged |
| 15:54.09 | mikma | false equals nil? |
| 15:54.13 | Coren{de} | your button object contains the content already |
| 15:55.24 | Gr3Ger | so... How do I print the contents of the textbox from the button? XD |
| 15:55.25 | Coren{de} | mikma, whenever I tried to store a value of false into my SavedVariables, the variable got removed, so for all intents and purposes I consider false nil =) |
| 15:56.24 | cladhaire | well if you experienced that |
| 15:56.27 | cladhaire | then something else was wrong |
| 15:56.33 | cladhaire | because that is not correct, in the slightest :P |
| 15:57.28 | mikma | coren{de}: all my "false"'s have always been saved in SV, always |
| 15:57.44 | Coren{de} | I didn't say it's correct ;) It's just what I perceived |
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| 16:00.47 | Coren{de} | Gr3Ger, EditBox:GetText() is a likely candidate :) MyObject:OnButton1Clicked(arg1, arg2) begin local sText = self:GetText(); message(sText); end |
| 16:01.34 | Gr3Ger | ah, thanks ^^ |
| 16:03.06 | Gr3Ger | it worked, thanks ^^ |
| 16:07.00 | Wobin | cladhaire: no tomes of power in BC or WotLK |
| 16:07.05 | cladhaire | boo |
| 16:07.08 | Wobin | that I know of |
| 16:09.02 | Coren{de} | Mkay, you are all right and I am absolutely wrong... false is stored. I guess I never got over CheckButton:GetChecked() :( |
| 16:10.24 | Wobin | night |
| 16:11.26 | foxlit | wtb boss-level dummy that fights back |
| 16:11.38 | foxlit | Have to figure out what the heck the story is with those mitigation stats :/ |
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| 16:14.17 | foxlit | Clicking Accept on some summon requests seems to do absolutely nothing :/ |
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| 16:22.54 | Shirik | flight delays :( |
| 16:22.59 | mikma | wobin: LOL, parry parry parry |
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| 16:24.45 | Amarande | good grief. |
| 16:24.45 | Amarande | I just had someone on trade chat seriously ask "wheres westfall" |
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| 16:29.00 | Wobin | mikma: Isn't it -fantastic-? |
| 16:29.26 | Wobin | Amarande: did you say "Keep going west till you fall off a cliff"? |
| 16:30.35 | Amarande | Wobin: no, I was too busy rolling my eyes to say anything |
| 16:30.44 | Amarande | plus the fact that this guy is planning to run his bro through deadmines |
| 16:30.55 | Amarande | if he can't even find westfall, he's going to get lost on the way -into- deadmines let alone in there |
| 16:31.24 | Amarande | VC is about as bad as Mara in terms of getting lost :| |
| 16:32.14 | Amarande | hmm, time to find a new warlock spec |
| 16:32.26 | Amarande | because 56/5/0 is not cutting it in northrend in any way that somewhat resembles that F word |
| 16:32.47 | Amarande | not the four letter one ... the three letter one that we're *supposed* to apparently have while playing WoW, even though some folks say it's supposed to be "srs bsns" instead now ... :| |
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| 16:42.17 | mikma | wobin: quite fun now after blood runes are spent :D |
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| 16:43.46 | abyx | are there any other crazy aoe places for mages other than in icecrown? |
| 16:45.05 | mikma | i think anduinlothar said one place, but i forgot it |
| 16:48.58 | Anaral | There's one in Dragonsblight |
| 16:49.21 | Anaral | The scarlet camp east of Winterguard. |
| 16:49.43 | Wobin | Amarande: getting there sure =P |
| 16:49.49 | Wobin | Mara you can get lost inside =P |
| 16:49.58 | Anaral | A mage and my boomkin cleared that place in under a minute. Probably would have taken three minutes if the mage were alone. |
| 16:50.34 | Wobin | Anaral: starfall is ridiculously effective, for gathering them up, isn't it? |
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| 16:50.54 | Wobin | Although it was much better when the moonkin proc procced off hurricaine crits =) |
| 16:50.58 | Anaral | Oh hell yeah |
| 16:51.21 | Anaral | Starfall has a huge radius. Very dangerous in many areas. |
| 16:51.29 | Wobin | hehe Botanica =) |
| 16:51.33 | Wobin | >< |
| 16:51.53 | Anaral | Heh, or Grizzly Hills where the Runed Giants roam. >.< |
| 16:51.58 | Wobin | you don't realise how -wide- 30yards is til you pull that whole platform of alchemists |
| 16:52.09 | Anaral | Or near Drak'Tharon. |
| 16:52.14 | Anaral | lol |
| 16:52.18 | Shirik | Oh I know how wide 30 yards is |
| 16:52.19 | Anaral | No joke |
| 16:52.20 | Wobin | also with the pre wotlk events |
| 16:52.25 | Shirik | not wide enough |
| 16:52.33 | Wobin | I could pull entire undead camps by running in small circles in the middle |
| 16:53.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i feel that pain. |
| 16:53.08 | Wobin | made farming that so much simpler |
| 16:53.09 | NightHawkTheSane | chain heal only jumps so far >< |
| 16:53.11 | Anaral | Yes Shirik, but Starfall has a 60 yard diameter, with you as the center. 30 yard radius becomes huge! |
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| 16:53.57 | Wobin | hands down the best mobile aoe around =) |
| 16:54.13 | Wobin | (at least for tagging) |
| 16:54.25 | Industrial | lol |
| 16:54.54 | Wobin | (it also seems bigger, cause boomkin are fat. *nods*) |
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| 16:59.33 | Amarande | heh, are boomkin really that much bigger than tauren are normally? |
| 17:00.16 | Amarande | also, what the hell has happened to horde lately |
| 17:00.29 | Amarande | it seems like there are an ever increasing number of former horde players |
| 17:01.06 | Anaral | I've heard from a few converts that going alliance is the retirement home for pvp players. |
| 17:01.37 | Arrowmaster | bloodelves are nolonger the FOTE so they are going back to alliance for their deathknights |
| 17:04.16 | Amarande | gah, I feel like spending money to get off my server in the near future :( |
| 17:04.38 | Amarande | or might I be better off just tossing my horde characters in the dustbin and focusing on the blue team |
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| 17:06.04 | Industrial | i prefer horde but my friends are playing alliance so i rolled A in january |
| 17:06.14 | Industrial | still shammy :3 |
| 17:06.26 | NightHawkTheSane | i just found friends who play horde. |
| 17:06.29 | NightHawkTheSane | :p |
| 17:06.33 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 17:06.40 | Industrial | hi bob do you play horde? |
| 17:06.45 | Industrial | no? bye! |
| 17:06.55 | Industrial | or, *cleave* |
| 17:07.20 | Amarande | Industrial: sadly, *cleave* is not an option on a pve server. :S |
| 17:07.24 | Amarande | otherwise, it would be much more fun |
| 17:07.44 | Industrial | mm |
| 17:07.57 | Amarande | Night: my GM apparently just quit the server to go roll alliance elsewhere :| |
| 17:08.00 | Industrial | you dont get stabbed in the back whenever you are tring to do something tho ;P |
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| 17:08.19 | Industrial | especially grind stuff or summon people. |
| 17:08.29 | Amarande | recruitment efforts in our guild have proven virtually fruitless in terms of reviving things |
| 17:08.36 | Amarande | basically, we fail |
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| 17:25.50 | Lyn | mikma, tell me a good guild name which has pirate or murloc flavor :o |
| 17:26.28 | mikma | lyn: yarrrgrblgbl |
| 17:26.29 | matt1s | how do you open the frame where you can submit tickets if you have a custom ui? |
| 17:26.39 | cbreak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:29.41 | matt1s | thanks |
| 17:30.02 | Amarande | ahh *that's* how |
| 17:31.31 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/snow_art.jpg |
| 17:36.00 | Lyn | mikma, :O |
| 17:37.40 | Amarande | my UI setup doesn't display the minimenu anymore, and I ended up having to bring it back up to file a ticket a few days ago |
| 17:37.48 | Amarande | of course, it's also only the second time I've ever had to file a GM ticket |
| 17:37.57 | Amarande | and the first time I got actual favorable results from one |
| 17:38.16 | Amarande | apparently, skill points disappearing in a DC glitch can't be fixed, but bugged darkmoon cards can be |
| 17:38.29 | mikma | ive made alot of tickets lol |
| 17:38.43 | mikma | being stuck after exploring... |
| 17:39.02 | mikma | reporting names/offensive behaviour |
| 17:39.24 | mikma | and last, 2 darkmoon cards not working |
| 17:43.54 | Amarande | I barely ever take the time to report anything other than goldsellers |
| 17:43.59 | Amarande | it's not worth my time |
| 17:44.09 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft. I report people who look at me funny :p |
| 17:44.29 | Amarande | if I wanted to spend my time enforcing blizzard rules, I would see about a GM job and get paid to do it :P |
| 17:45.10 | Pizik | least useful people to ticket about are Gold Sellers, Blizz dont give a dam really |
| 17:45.29 | NightHawkTheSane | that's nonsense. |
| 17:46.05 | Amarande | sure they do, banning a gold seller means they have to buy a new copy of WoW to get back on |
| 17:46.08 | mikma | we got the "report spam" because of them |
| 17:46.20 | mikma | buying? |
| 17:46.23 | Amarande | which many people suspected in the Diablo II days was why Blizzard made only feeble efforts against Wei and the like |
| 17:46.32 | mikma | they just use trials |
| 17:46.51 | Pizik | They would be tracking transactions of thousands of gold from one account to another and then banning the accounts the sellers use for storage if they cared |
| 17:46.52 | Amarande | because allowing that cartel to continue to exist meant that they could just keep banning the bots and they'd keep getting a revenue stream from the business buying new copies of D2 |
| 17:47.17 | Pizik | The advertisers are hard to catch, but the traders and farmers arent |
| 17:47.19 | Amarande | given that D2 had no monthly fee, and most legit players already had the game ... I suppose people could be inclined to believe that was the case |
| 17:48.39 | Amarande | anyway, what to do with my horde characters ... |
| 17:49.01 | Amarande | lately, Sic transit gloria Hordi, apparently :| |
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| 17:54.07 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/nerd_in_training.jpg <- i would replace the text to "myth busted." |
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| 18:07.17 | abyx | lol... i've just discovered a 5 boxing arcane mage... |
| 18:07.33 | abyx | i got pom pyro'd 5 times. (but survived lulz0 |
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| 18:08.53 | mikma | were you standing kn antimagiczone? =D |
| 18:08.58 | mikma | in* |
| 18:09.30 | abyx | nope |
| 18:09.43 | abyx | i was lucky enough for none of the pyros to crit |
| 18:10.03 | abyx | so they all hit for like 2600 and i survived via ice barrier/fireward invis and mount away |
| 18:13.07 | zenzelezz | freaking hell. Malygos in phase 2 starts meleeing us |
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| 18:33.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: ping? Does Chatter's chatlink module handle Achievement links? |
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| 18:40.54 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: IDCard does <3 |
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| 18:42.00 | mikma | and ChatIcons should too, i think |
| 18:42.26 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> it handles parsing {CLINK:achievement...} stuff sent through custom channels? |
| 18:42.29 | NightHawkTheSane | that seems odd for that mod |
| 18:43.04 | mikma | oh links lol, read icons |
| 18:43.11 | tardmrr | fuck links |
| 18:43.20 | mikma | too tired, need sleep |
| 18:43.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ~pat mikma |
| 18:43.28 | purl | ACTION pats mikma and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 18:43.34 | mikma | ~poop |
| 18:43.35 | purl | for me to poop on! |
| 18:44.47 | Lyn | ~fart mikma |
| 18:44.48 | purl | ACTION farts in mikma's general direction |
| 18:44.59 | Lyn | i think purl should have a ~lederhosen sentence |
| 18:45.08 | NightHawkTheSane | so add one? |
| 18:45.11 | mikma | ~lederhosen |
| 18:45.39 | Lyn | dont know any good one |
| 18:45.45 | Lyn | mikma is the brain of us two |
| 18:45.45 | Lyn | xD |
| 18:45.54 | NightHawkTheSane | .. i'm sorry.. |
| 18:45.59 | mikma | purl: ldederhosen is lyn, scheisse, lederhosen! SCHIMANSKI! |
| 18:46.00 | purl | okay, mikma |
| 18:46.05 | mikma | whops |
| 18:46.08 | mikma | flail |
| 18:46.21 | mikma | purl: forget ldederhosen |
| 18:46.21 | purl | i forgot ldederhosen, mikma |
| 18:46.32 | mikma | purl: lederhosen is lyn, scheisse, lederhosen! SCHIMANSKI! |
| 18:46.33 | purl | okay, mikma |
| 18:46.49 | mikma | fix it when you do know a betterone |
| 18:47.33 | Lyn | xD |
| 18:47.36 | mikma | gah, forgot bratwurst from these |
| 18:47.52 | Lyn | ~lederhosen |
| 18:47.53 | purl | it has been said that lederhosen is lyn, scheisse, lederhosen! SCHIMANSKI! |
| 18:47.58 | Lyn | lol |
| 18:49.28 | mikma | time for a short 10h powernap |
| 18:50.00 | Lyn | hf |
| 18:57.41 | cladhaire | h |
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| 19:05.58 | foxlit | "I wish you could search the comments :(" |
| 19:06.26 | kd3 | ooh, have we upgraded to the "beating with sticks" method of communication? |
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| 19:12.44 | Amarande | ah, crud |
| 19:12.47 | Amarande | I can't transfer my main right now :S |
| 19:13.10 | zenzelezz | howcome? |
| 19:14.18 | Amarande | zenzelezz: active auctions |
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| 19:17.58 | Iriel | You can cancel those, or do you have active bids? |
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| 19:19.27 | Ktron | Anyone know where I can find information about the limitations of Temporary weapon enchants (such as Wizard Oil)? Someone in my guild believes they added in level restrictions |
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| 19:21.24 | foxlit | They did |
| 19:21.30 | foxlit | You can no longer apply them to high-level items |
| 19:22.25 | Kaelten | does anyone know if bind on account items use the same color as artifacts? |
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| 19:24.22 | TOPSECRET | hi |
| 19:24.43 | Ktron | What makes an item a 'high level item'? |
| 19:24.57 | Ktron | I can't seem to find like any information on this, even in the patch notes |
| 19:25.36 | Iriel | I dont think the game thinks of item 'ranks' in terms of color -- just in terms of type. |
| 19:25.56 | Kaso | is that low level enchants can not be applied to high level weapons, or all temp enchants cannot be applied |
| 19:25.57 | Iriel | That's just based on how the code is structured in the UI though |
| 19:26.02 | Amarande | Ktron: ilvl, probably |
| 19:26.15 | Amarande | use something like Auctioneer and look at the enhanced tooltips, you'll see the true ilvl of things |
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| 19:28.03 | Ktron | It appears that Blizzard instituted a 'if your weapon is over ilvl X, you can no longer use any kind of temporary weapon enchant' rule |
| 19:28.19 | Ktron | But I can't find like any information about this, including X |
| 19:29.21 | Iriel | That seems like a wierd and arbitrary change |
| 19:30.26 | Ktron | It seems to be true though |
| 19:30.47 | Ktron | I've had people in my guild with req 80 weapons who can't use oils |
| 19:31.06 | Iriel | does the wiki have anything about it? They have an undocumented changes section |
| 19:31.31 | Ktron | and I found a google cache of a quote on the WotLK forum of a blue quote saying that they have removed all level 80 oils/sharpening stones |
| 19:31.43 | Ktron | I'll look again |
| 19:34.34 | Ktron | I don't seem it on the 3.0.x patch notes or undocumented changes patch notes |
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| 19:35.30 | Ktron | Nor do I find any mention of the items they removed (Exceptional Wizard Oil, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=36900 for example) |
| 19:35.41 | Ktron | On that items page there's the quote of the blue quote |
| 19:35.57 | Ktron | But it doesn't say anything about high level items being 'too high' to have old oils used on them |
| 19:40.01 | Arrowmaster | there was a blue post |
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| 20:13.16 | Tekkub | disengaging yourself onto a treee causes your pet to evade.... lovely |
| 20:18.57 | zenzelezz | it seems like summoning people fails rather frequently now |
| 20:24.55 | Cralor` | how can i implement a slash command that accepts only specific number values? |
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| 20:25.12 | Cralor` | i am trying to make a slash command that changes the scale of a frame like /addon scale NUMBER |
| 20:25.37 | Cralor` | but all i know is making a new one for each "number" which is not smart |
| 20:27.24 | Iriel | parse out the second part (maybe use string.gmatch) |
| 20:27.38 | Iriel | then use tonumber on it, and compare it with 0 and 1 to make sure it's in range |
| 20:27.49 | Iriel | well 0 and some number |
| 20:27.56 | Cralor` | something like this: elseif (string.find(msg, "scale", number)) then font:SetScale(number) |
| 20:27.57 | Iriel | maybe higher than 1, since you can scale bigger |
| 20:28.10 | Iriel | not exactly... |
| 20:28.11 | Cralor` | i know that isnt correct but that is how i want it |
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| 20:28.40 | Cralor` | how can i "grab" the text after "scale" |
| 20:29.01 | Iriel | string.gmatch("scale%s+(.-)%s*$"); |
| 20:29.22 | Iriel | oops, I missed an important arg |
| 20:29.51 | Cralor` | %s = space? |
| 20:29.56 | Iriel | and used the wrong function |
| 20:30.10 | Iriel | local arg = string.match(command, "scale%s+(.-)%s*$"); |
| 20:30.13 | Iriel | that's better |
| 20:30.17 | Iriel | yes %s is any whitespace character |
| 20:30.19 | Iriel | so it reads: |
| 20:30.46 | Iriel | The word "scale", followed by one or more whitespace characters, then a series of any characters, followed by zero or more whitespace characters and the end of the string |
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| 20:31.46 | Cralor` | string.find wouldnt work? |
| 20:31.57 | Iriel | The ()'s wrap the piece you want returned |
| 20:32.04 | Iriel | match is easier to use |
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| 20:32.17 | Iriel | since you dont care WHERE the matched part is in the string, just what matches |
| 20:32.24 | Iriel | (match is like find without the first two return values) |
| 20:32.42 | Iriel | You can use find though, if you're more comfortable with it |
| 20:33.07 | Cralor` | well do i have to change anything if i use find :)D |
| 20:33.26 | Iriel | Hm, I missed something else in my pattern, you want "^scale%s+(.-)%s*$" -- Note the ^ at the start that means 'from the beginnig of the input' |
| 20:33.55 | Iriel | yes, if you use find you'd need to do local _, _, arg -- which creates two throwaway locals which is why you typically dont need to use find |
| 20:34.19 | Amarande | yay, so wizard oils are being phased out |
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| 20:34.31 | Cralor` | why do i have to create an arg? |
| 20:34.35 | Amarande | ever notice how it seems like more and more features, that, well, kinda defined WoW AS WoW are being phased out? |
| 20:35.12 | Cralor` | Iriel: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103327/10 |
| 20:35.43 | Cralor` | that is how i am trying to do it. idk if that might help |
| 20:35.43 | Amarande | they keep giving us more content in terms of areas to go, but characters are becoming more and more vanilla |
| 20:36.15 | Iriel | Cralor`: While that works, you're better off NOT using an if/elseif structure if you want the args |
| 20:36.35 | Cralor` | ohh. so that way i can do the SetScale(arg) ? |
| 20:37.11 | Cralor` | or not.. idk if i understand the arg part of this |
| 20:37.30 | Iriel | I'll show you in a sec |
| 20:38.44 | Iriel | Something more like this http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103328 |
| 20:39.41 | Iriel | Actually, this is better http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103329 |
| 20:39.47 | Iriel | (I changed line 2 a little) |
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| 20:41.40 | Cralor` | great. thanks a lot! |
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| 20:51.43 | Cralor` | would this work too? i forgot that a saved variables might be a good idea for this ^_^ http://wowuidev.pastey.net/103331 |
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| 20:56.03 | Gr3Ger | Heya, sorry for bothering you again. I have a quick question ^^ How can I check if GetContainerItemLink(0, i); is not nil in an IF statement? |
| 20:56.30 | Gr3Ger | since != doesent work as an operator in lua |
| 20:56.44 | zenzelezz | ~= |
| 20:56.50 | Gr3Ger | thanks :) |
| 20:57.11 | Tekkub | if GetContainerItemLink(0, i) then |
| 20:58.21 | Gr3Ger | I got it to work now ^^ thanks. |
| 21:00.40 | Gr3Ger | is there any easy way to vendor an item at a specific bagslot? |
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| 21:02.58 | bleeter | damn you nVidia, why do you check for X running *before* you try and do downloads of kernel foo from your FTP site, that's just stupid. |
| 21:03.22 | Amarande | because nVidia is fail |
| 21:04.08 | bleeter | as is NetworkManager |
| 21:04.12 | bleeter | thus my problem |
| 21:08.07 | Thunder_Child | Amarande, HEATHEN! |
| 21:08.13 | Thunder_Child | or however it is spelled |
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| 21:09.16 | bleeter | it's still a fairly big fail, though |
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| 21:14.09 | bleeter | heh, looks like they've banned FEAR 2 in .au |
| 21:14.31 | kd3 | bah. I actually got it to work by deleting libgl and reinstalling the nvidia drivers |
| 21:14.36 | kd3 | wonder how the situation is in f10 |
| 21:14.50 | Thrae | bleeter: Perseus Mandate or the next iteration? |
| 21:15.11 | bleeter | Thrae: Project origin |
| 21:16.08 | bleeter | kd3: don't ask me mate, I'm on wireless atm and every time I go to console to install the native drivers, it bitches about X being up. So I kill off X and NetworkManager loses it's connection so I can't d/l crap for shit from nVidia and it's pissing me off and stuff |
| 21:16.34 | bleeter | kd3: no doubt there's some advanced switches, but I will damn well excercise my right to be annoyed (as per usual :) |
| 21:17.07 | bleeter | kd3: oh, and another thing.. looks like ESET Nod32 sees F10's GRUB as a TSR boot sector virus, have sent it off for analysis haha |
| 21:17.14 | bleeter | mmm egg and bacon roll time, bbiab |
| 21:17.33 | kd3 | heh |
| 21:21.01 | bleeter | kd3: oh, and the new evdev module (throw away xorg.conf's Input section, I think for multiple input device foo) is causing some 'random' infinite lockups. had it once this morning, had a bit of a look around for bug reports. seems to be happening on not just the nv driver, but intel and a few others |
| 21:21.10 | bleeter | kd3: so yeah, still quite a lot of seat of pants stuff going on :) |
| 21:21.13 | kd3 | joy |
| 21:21.21 | kd3 | think I'll stick with 9 for a little while longer, then |
| 21:21.25 | Amarande | Thunder_Child: well, actually I switched to ATI because when I was last in the market for a video card, the ATI 3870 was a way way way better deal than the nVidia 9 series |
| 21:21.33 | bleeter | kd3: good idea ;) |
| 21:21.36 | Amarande | however, ATI doesn't have fun like nv4_disp.dll, so obviously it's better. :) |
| 21:21.38 | bleeter | mmm bacon |
| 21:23.56 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: that's why NetworkManager is bad |
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| 21:27.56 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, bacon fails as well |
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| 21:41.34 | bleeter | Amarande: I bought the lappy I have about 2 weeks after ATI/AMD announced the open sourcing of their specs. I has now has an pure DRI 3D ATI lappy and it works (mind you WoW crashes X for now, but Celestia and other shizz work straight outta the box very happpy). nVidia can chew my butt |
| 21:42.01 | bleeter | Amarande: and if what phoronix are suggesting about Steam is correct, I highly suspect WoW can bite my butt in January too :) |
| 21:43.25 | bleeter | if steam does come out on linux, it'd be intersting to see Blizzard's stats of how many Winers/Cedegas/Crossovers stop playing/play less |
| 21:43.40 | kd3 | meh. it'd be nice if phoronix's rumor about native steam were true |
| 21:44.11 | bleeter | kd3: their rumour mill about ATI/AMD were true, and valve did have that advert for a senior linux programmer earlier this year |
| 21:44.30 | bleeter | i'm leaning more in the direction that it is true |
| 21:45.31 | bleeter | /home/VALVE/alfred/valve/steam3_rel_client << makes me think it is more likely true than not |
| 21:46.10 | kd3 | ~api IsLinuxClient |
| 21:46.11 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_IsLinuxClient |
| 21:58.01 | bleeter | did icculus ever work with slouken 'back in the day'? |
| 22:00.03 | bleeter | way I see it, the hardware companies are opening up. hell, the new mobo I have has busybox in eeprom. ati's opened a buncha stuff, so have asus. intel are on the bandwgon. the game companies are just stanging around watching each other for whoever makes the first major move |
| 22:00.41 | bleeter | there's a bucket of linux servers available for steam games, and some games for linux that *should* be available on steam but aren't cos there's no steam client. |
| 22:00.51 | bleeter | it'd make some business sense, at least, to make the move |
| 22:01.18 | bleeter | and if you're first, no matter how crappy the thing may be, chances are you'll get wider adoption in the market place. eg, VHS/Beta |
| 22:02.48 | Tekkub | linux is ttotally betamax, you're right |
| 22:03.47 | opant2 | zorbat alive? |
| 22:04.06 | opant2 | I'm having the dalaran crashing issue if he/she wanted to test some things with me |
| 22:09.18 | bleeter | Tekkub: 10/10 for reading, minus several zillion for comphrehension :P |
| 22:09.51 | Tekkub | 10/10 for realizing I didn't care what you were babbling about |
| 22:10.26 | bleeter | you cared enough to babble some shit yourself |
| 22:13.14 | Tekkub | yea, cause Linux is betamax! Everyone babbles about how it's technically better, but only the serious nerds use it |
| 22:13.48 | Pneumatus | god knows why people still use the vhs/betamax analogy when we now have bluray/hddvd |
| 22:14.56 | Codayus_ | Plus, bleeter was misusing the VHS/Betamax analogy in terrible terrible ways. Unless he MEANT to use one that, you know, undercut his own point. |
| 22:15.03 | Codayus_ | ~fail bleeter |
| 22:15.03 | purl | bleeter: FAIL! |
| 22:16.15 | bleeter | Pneumatus: maybe because the analogies aren't the same |
| 22:16.34 | Amarande | bluray is sony's revenge for beta |
| 22:16.38 | Tekkub | Pneumatus, cause bluray/hddvd were the same fucking thing, just with different companies being beligerant about which they'd use |
| 22:16.44 | bleeter | Codayus_: maybe I just failed to explain why I used the analogy because I didn't realise I was dealing with a bunch of monkies |
| 22:17.01 | Tekkub | neither was OMGBETTER and the consumers had no say in it, nor did they really give a fuck |
| 22:17.51 | Cralor` | well now there is only bluray |
| 22:18.01 | Cralor` | for "high def" |
| 22:18.04 | Tekkub | and people still don't care! |
| 22:18.09 | Cralor` | yep |
| 22:18.23 | Cralor` | including me :D |
| 22:18.55 | Tekkub | but but, you can buy new hardware and rebuy the movies you already bought so you can get 100 more lines! |
| 22:19.07 | Tekkub | what do you mean you've not bought a movie in 7 years? |
| 22:20.01 | Cralor` | me? |
| 22:20.05 | Codayus_ | bleeter: No, you explained it clearly enough. You just used a bad analogy. |
| 22:20.11 | Tekkub | I was just talking in general |
| 22:20.21 | Cralor` | that is what i thought :P |
| 22:20.51 | Tekkub | the people most likely to care about the quality, are also the ones most likely to find their content for free |
| 22:21.06 | Cralor` | bluray commercial right now! |
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| 22:28.44 | bleeter | Codayus_: I would've thought the number of movie studios licensing to VHS was a very apt analogy for a content delivery system and stuffs.. /shrug |
| 22:29.30 | bleeter | v2000 lolol |
| 22:30.55 | Anaral | Does anyone know if there is an addon or macro that will give you a random title (assuming you have multiple)? |
| 22:32.40 | Cralor` | yes i forget the name... let me take al ook :D |
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| 22:32.49 | Amarande | hmm, since blizzard is planning on phasing out sharpening stones and wizard oils, and has been fuzzy on exactly which items are no longer affected by the existing ones |
| 22:32.59 | Amarande | how long do you think before they eliminate the lower level ones' recipes too? |
| 22:33.08 | NightHawkTheSane | they won't remove the recipes |
| 22:33.13 | Cralor` | ooh! TY Tek for the TG update!!!!!! |
| 22:33.20 | Amarande | ah, *good* |
| 22:33.26 | Tekkub | :P |
| 22:33.30 | Amarande | Night: that would make leveling BS such an irritating stinker that I don't want to think about it. :) |
| 22:33.40 | Amarande | imagine if you had to level BS without making any foo stones? |
| 22:34.03 | NightHawkTheSane | they almost never remove items that currently exist |
| 22:34.37 | Amarande | removing the exceptional wizard oil was just fail, though |
| 22:34.59 | Codayus_ | "If you're first, no matter how crappy...you'll get wider adoption". The problem is that *Betamax* was first, and was beaten by VHS on technical merits. |
| 22:35.05 | Amarande | they acknowledge that they are useful at times for "most people", but remove it because "for many raid guilds they were simply another burden to the cost of raiding" |
| 22:35.09 | Anaral | Cralor' is it Title Swapper? |
| 22:35.40 | Cralor` | Anaral: no. but that looks nice |
| 22:35.54 | Cralor` | i can't find it right now. i have to go for a bit tho. good luck. |
| 22:36.17 | Anaral | Thanks |
| 22:38.09 | bleeter | Codayus_: they were not first to cheap licensing for the movie studios to pump out stuff to the home market ;) |
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| 22:38.40 | bleeter | Codayus_: which is what my (ok, admittedly, crappy) analogy was about, steam's the content delivery mechanism |
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| 22:44.34 | Codayus_ | bleeter: Actually, I think that's *still* not quite right since - AFAIK - the decline in titles avalable on Betamax followed the loss of marketshare. Releasing a movie on VHS may have been cheaper (although I hadn't heard that), but it dosn't seem like that can explain the situation. |
| 22:45.10 | Codayus_ | ...of course, I actually agree with you. Content is absolutely key. :-) |
| 22:46.37 | bleeter | there was also the issue of record time |
| 22:47.08 | Codayus_ | *nod* |
| 22:47.28 | Codayus_ | I believe that was key. ...doesn't map too well onto the linux issue though. |
| 22:47.28 | bleeter | wow in and of itself is just a content delivery system for blizz's point release content patches and xpacks. i guess it may be arguable the reason's wow succeeded is they've had more regular content updates than others |
| 22:47.53 | Amarande | Was it Beta or VHS that all the porn flocked to? I can't remember now, but it's been cited as being important |
| 22:47.58 | Tekkub | that and it's just plain fun |
| 22:48.09 | kd3 | wow? fun? nowai |
| 22:48.09 | Tekkub | you played FFXI? not fun |
| 22:48.14 | Codayus_ | Amarande: VHS, but that's usually regarded as being a myth, or at best, a minor issue. |
| 22:48.23 | Amarande | Codayus: Porn has a surprisingly strong effect on movie related industries |
| 22:48.30 | bleeter | it's a really good adaptation of gygax's ideas |
| 22:48.31 | Amarande | there was this one time, I think it was somewhere in New York |
| 22:48.31 | Tekkub | well, is fun, for about 20 levels, then it becomes a horrible grind |
| 22:48.37 | bleeter | pron has driven video codecs and the like |
| 22:48.39 | Tekkub | wow never feels like a grind |
| 22:48.40 | Codayus_ | bleeter: Well, yeah, but lots of MMOS have regular content updates. LOTRO, EQ, EQII, CoH/V...umm...yeah |
| 22:48.48 | Amarande | where Blockbuster tried to move in on a local small-business video rental store's turf |
| 22:49.06 | Amarande | Blockbuster ended up getting no business, because the small business store carried porn and Blockbuster would not |
| 22:49.32 | Tekkub | yup, that'll lern you to be a "family" biz |
| 22:49.58 | Amarande | Tekkub: not to mention you had to group for EVERYTHING after 20 or so |
| 22:50.06 | Amarande | because basically every mob in FFXI was what we in WoW would call an elite |
| 22:50.09 | Tekkub | exactly |
| 22:50.21 | Amarande | apparently BST and SMN could solo, but you had to be 30 in something else before you could do that |
| 22:50.30 | Tekkub | that forced interaction to do anything is what kills the fun |
| 22:50.42 | Tekkub | not only do you need 6 people, it's gotta be well balanced |
| 22:50.57 | Tekkub | and then you can only get a good exp rate if you go for the easiest mobs |
| 22:51.02 | Amarande | did you really need to be ubertwinked in order to kill anything in FFXI, or was that just the demands of groups? |
| 22:51.11 | Tekkub | 75 levels of crab, pugil, worms and crawlers.... |
| 22:51.22 | Amarande | like how heroic groups in late BC would often demand epics to pug anyone |
| 22:51.30 | Tekkub | no that was just retarded groups |
| 22:51.45 | Codayus_ | Speaking of which, I'm enjoying Wintergrasp. Hanging out in Dalaran when a battle starts? Run over, grab a turret/tank, and blow stuff up until you get bored or it ends... |
| 22:51.48 | Tekkub | if your group was balanced and you got a skillchain set up, you did fine |
| 22:52.01 | Codayus_ | Good example of the casual WoW-style "hey, go do something" content. |
| 22:52.25 | Amarande | Codayus: which is what WoW is built on, and which is why some of Blizzard's practices never cease to puzzle me |
| 22:52.35 | Tekkub | or just follow the herd around and heal randomly till you can get a vehicle |
| 22:52.38 | bleeter | Codayus_: agreed, the tape length thing doesn't map well... but one could (at a very big stretch) compare it to the availability of different desktops. Don't like Gnome? Try KDE, XFCE, Enlightenment, etc. etc. OSX/Win_x86 doesn't have that possibility. ANd I get back to being stunned at busybox being inside my new mobo's EEPROM |
| 22:52.45 | Codayus_ | Heh, it's clear they didn't have a very clear design vision early on/that their vision has changed a lot over time. |
| 22:52.47 | Amarande | like for instance, dropping items that were useful to most people some of the time (temporary enchants) because serious raid guilds were complaining about the cost of raid consumables |
| 22:53.12 | Amarande | or requiring people to establish an arena group to have fun in battlegrounds once arenas open |
| 22:53.19 | Tekkub | I'm kinda glad they dropped those |
| 22:53.23 | Tekkub | they never fit in well |
| 22:53.27 | Codayus_ | They originally had outdoor elites in areas - most zones had one; from some comments it was clear they originally thought people would form groups to grind XP there. |
| 22:53.29 | Amarande | unless, of course, your definition of 'fun' is having your butt kicked from here to Dalaran because your gear isn't as good as the arena folks |
| 22:53.43 | Codayus_ | Yeah, well, THAT sure worked. (And you'll note they removed them all a few patches back.) |
| 22:53.54 | Tekkub | sharpening stones did... but then what about mace users and mana users and... that just killed that whole thing |
| 22:54.02 | bleeter | as for the new XPack, I dunno about anything past lvl 75.. ain't logged in for over a week. |
| 22:54.03 | Amarande | Tekkub: there were different stones for mace users |
| 22:54.10 | Amarande | and there was mana oil |
| 22:54.11 | bleeter | *seriously logged in |
| 22:54.18 | Amarande | wonder how long before they start removing the elites from Outland |
| 22:54.24 | Tekkub | and wizy oil (eeeew) |
| 22:54.43 | Amarande | but yeah, apparently catering to raid guilds was why they ditched the oils etc. |
| 22:54.55 | Amarande | Blizzard seems to be wanting to cater more to the people who play seriously than to the bulk of their customers |
| 22:54.56 | Tekkub | which I'm fine with |
| 22:55.10 | Codayus_ | Amarande: No. Trust me, raid guilds could have cared less. What it was to help was casuals. |
| 22:55.11 | Tekkub | uh, you noticed how easy everything is? |
| 22:55.21 | Tekkub | they ARE catering to the majority |
| 22:55.24 | Codayus_ | Which it did. |
| 22:55.36 | Amarande | Codayus_: Casuals get wizard oil every now and then, like when they level their 'chanter through the point where wizard oils are a good way to skill up |
| 22:55.55 | Amarande | when they did, it was like "yay, a nice extra boost" like those consumable items you get from quests and such |
| 22:56.27 | Amarande | Raiders, however, were less happy because serious raid leaders expected them to invest in oils -all the time- |
| 22:56.54 | NightHawkTheSane | you have it backwards. |
| 22:57.13 | Codayus_ | Oils were trivially cheap. AND you're ignoring the fact that Bliz retuned the content. |
| 22:57.15 | NightHawkTheSane | "serious" raiders found it fairly trivial to get the (fairly trivial) mats for stones/oils |
| 22:57.29 | NightHawkTheSane | "casual" raiders didn't bother, and created an extra burden on them. |
| 22:57.47 | Amarande | Night: well, when I spoke of 'casuals' in this case |
| 22:57.55 | Amarande | I refer to the vast bulk of WoW players who raid rarely, if at all |
| 22:58.06 | NightHawkTheSane | it's the same demographic, you're just wrong. :D |
| 22:58.23 | foxlit | So your point is that "hardcore" raiders whined about the costs of mana oil? |
| 22:58.35 | Codayus_ | Look, just pretend Bliz added perma-invisible weapon oils to all weapons, if it makes you happy. |
| 22:58.43 | Amarande | foxlit: that seems to be the implication by the comment I read on the wowhead page for the former exceptional wizard oil |
| 22:58.56 | Amarande | "Sharpening Stones and also Wizard Oils have been discontinued. While they were something nice to use once in a while for most people for many raid guilds they were simply another burden to the cost of raiding." |
| 22:59.24 | foxlit | Let me put it this way: if you're "hardcore", wizard oils are incredibly easy to get. |
| 22:59.34 | Amarande | I'm presuming based on the way it was quoted on the wowhead page that it's from a Blue post, but forums are under maintenance today so I can't check |
| 22:59.35 | NightHawkTheSane | translation, because you seem thick: "we want to make it easier for casuals to raid" |
| 22:59.41 | Codayus_ | I will put it to you that reading Wowhead comments to get a feel for the pulse of the hardcore raider is JUST about 100% useless. |
| 22:59.50 | Amarande | Night: the real problem, anyway |
| 23:00.06 | Amarande | is that people are very unclear on what the threshold at which previous wizard oils stop working is |
| 23:00.30 | NightHawkTheSane | who cares? |
| 23:00.34 | Amarande | I myself am actually somewhat fuzzy on when, in the case of enchants, the required level is used and when the ilvl is used instead |
| 23:00.47 | NightHawkTheSane | level 80 content is not balanced around them, so to hell with trying to use them? |
| 23:00.52 | Codayus_ | Hardcore uses wizard oil 24/7 anywhere the content was non-trivial. Bliz removed the oil, and made all content easier. No real change. |
| 23:01.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus_: not for the hardcore raider, at least, but yes :) |
| 23:01.29 | Codayus_ | Casuals sometimes used wizard oil. People who didn't got an effective buff, people who did saw no real change. |
| 23:01.36 | |pez| | .. Ooooh! |
| 23:01.50 | Codayus_ | So you're whining about a change whose only real impact was POSITIVE to the only group really impacted by it. |
| 23:01.52 | |pez| | I only need 1k gold to fly in Northrend, not 6k gold, as first thought. |
| 23:02.00 | bleeter | crafters who skilled up used oils and stones all the time, so did their alts =)) |
| 23:02.03 | zenzelezz | |pez|: yup |
| 23:02.11 | Amarande | pez: where did you get 6k? |
| 23:02.11 | zenzelezz | |pez|: but you do have to hit 77 |
| 23:02.21 | |pez| | zenzelezz: I thought I needed superfast flying too. XD |
| 23:02.24 | Amarande | or did you mistakenly think that epic flying was required as a prereq for cold weather flying? |
| 23:02.32 | |pez| | Amarande: fast flying, and cold weather. |
| 23:02.39 | |pez| | Amarande: that, yaeh. |
| 23:02.40 | Amarande | I think they nerfed the cost of epic flying too, though |
| 23:02.41 | |pez| | yeah* |
| 23:02.49 | zenzelezz | I completed http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=1182 (The Bread Winner) today and several guildies went "wtf, how did you do that" |
| 23:02.55 | kd3 | epic flying is still 5000g |
| 23:03.05 | kd3 | it's just a joke to hit that gold amount now |
| 23:03.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i have no idea what you're talking about kd3. Ignore the fact that i've made like 10k gold since the expansions |
| 23:03.36 | NightHawkTheSane | -s |
| 23:03.37 | Codayus_ | Heh, I'd have completed it long ago if they'd been tracking it. >.> |
| 23:03.53 | |pez| | I'm struggling to get 1k gold. :P |
| 23:03.53 | zenzelezz | Codayus_: yeah |
| 23:03.54 | Amarande | kd3: ah, I could have sworn I read it was cut to 2500g |
| 23:04.03 | |pez| | actually, no I'm not. |
| 23:04.06 | Amarande | or was that a beta change that was retracted? |
| 23:04.10 | |pez| | I just used a shitload of money to level my JC. |
| 23:04.22 | Thrae | Obviously, Cold Weather requires Flying Skill + Sweater-Making Skill. |
| 23:04.23 | zenzelezz | Amarande: I think it was never more than a rumor, but I might be wrong |
| 23:05.07 | Codayus_ | I'm about to level JCing on my DK alt. That's goingto be expensive. Hmmm. |
| 23:05.16 | Codayus_ | Wonder what the single most expensive profession is now.... |
| 23:05.45 | Thrae | I think the next expansion has to be mostly underwater. Flying has been in two expansions now. |
| 23:06.04 | Amarande | heh, here's a laugh |
| 23:06.14 | Thrae | Of course, you could also let people have space ships in WoW. |
| 23:06.21 | Amarande | raid guild recruitment ad: "must be knowledgeable of raid encounters" |
| 23:06.24 | Thrae | That's the fourth expansion. |
| 23:06.35 | zenzelezz | did anyone play Anarchy Online's Shadowlands expansion? Their "Adonis" level had a pretty cool underwater part, although you could only walk along the bottom, not swim |
| 23:06.37 | Amarande | this being when the xpack has only even been out for two weeks and change. :) |
| 23:06.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: subs ftw |
| 23:07.11 | foxlit | Does the WoWI changelog support BBCode? |
| 23:07.11 | Amarande | this reminds me of around 2001-2002 or so when I saw an ad for a job, looked like a typical nothing-special web job, wanting "ten years web experience" |
| 23:07.28 | Stanzilla | hm foxlit, opie does not like my macro. I have my mount macro in a custom ring and everytime I create a new macro, the one in opie gets switched with the one next to it in the macro UI |
| 23:07.31 | Codayus_ | Someday they've got to do a South Seas xpac. |
| 23:07.40 | Amarande | Codayus: Pirates? :) |
| 23:07.41 | Codayus_ | Undermine would be a PERFECT neutral city. |
| 23:07.48 | Thrae | DAoC had some very nice underwater levels, it's just their PvE was lackluster overall. EQ also had decent water levels in a later expansion. I think WoW intended to have better water levels, but they stopped. |
| 23:08.14 | Codayus_ | SSC: How not to do a water level. |
| 23:08.17 | Codayus_ | Bleh. |
| 23:08.25 | Amarande | I never got to see SSC |
| 23:08.29 | Amarande | how many people do you need to do it at 80? |
| 23:08.33 | Thrae | Undead originally had infinite underwater breathing, Warlocks, Seal Form, plenty of items... |
| 23:09.15 | Thrae | Aquatic Form being a pain-in-the-ass quest should show you they had original plans for more underwater content. |
| 23:09.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus_: i liked ssc, except for the obnoxious corners/ledges/etc |
| 23:09.35 | foxlit | Stanzilla: I'm fairly aware of that issue. |
| 23:09.43 | Stanzilla | ok :) |
| 23:09.51 | foxlit | In fact, see http://www.go-hero.net/opie/release/wrath8 |
| 23:09.56 | Thrae | No one has done underwater PvP yet. Wouldn't that be neat? |
| 23:10.05 | Codayus_ | Hmmm |
| 23:10.05 | Thrae | Well, done it well. |
| 23:10.06 | Cralor` | foxlit: yes i am almost positive |
| 23:10.23 | Thrae | We'd have to give like scuba rocket boots to melee though. |
| 23:10.41 | Codayus_ | Hmm, submarines! |
| 23:10.47 | foxlit | giant sharks. |
| 23:10.48 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.49 | foxlit | with lasers. |
| 23:10.53 | foxlit | Cralor`: about? |
| 23:11.00 | Thrae | WoW has laser weapons |
| 23:11.09 | Codayus_ | We've got vehicles now, and they exist canonically. |
| 23:11.27 | Thrae | [they] being subs |
| 23:11.48 | foxlit | also need bears |
| 23:11.58 | Thrae | Although technically, subs surfaced to attack, even against other ships |
| 23:12.26 | foxlit | bears with lasers that can shoot lighting from their eyes. |
| 23:12.29 | Cralor` | foxlit: BBCode ;P |
| 23:12.50 | foxlit | Cralor`: you're right, it does :) |
| 23:13.15 | Thrae | foxlit: You should see me in Bear Form w/ one of the lightning-enchants (are-hit, not you-hit) |
| 23:14.19 | Stanzilla | foxlit: thanks, I hope that helps, trying to shackle instead of mounting was a bit annoying :P |
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| 23:17.08 | kmcguire | I kept having problems with PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE firing, but still having GetGuildInfo return nill so I switched to GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE. It seems to work better. I will be glad when I get this figured out. Such a pain in the butt! =) |
| 23:17.23 | kmcguire | oops. PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE would fire.. but have problems with GetGuildInfo. |
| 23:23.14 | Anaral | How fast should my vga chip fan be going if the heat from the GPU and Ram is between 55-66 c |
| 23:28.37 | bleeter | Thrae: No one has done underwater PvP yet << my engi mage, lock buddy and druid pal had a lot of fun drowining some undead noobs off southshore one day ;) |
| 23:28.49 | ScytheBlade1 | How does one kill a realm forum troll? |
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| 23:29.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone have any tips? Experience in doing so? |
| 23:29.42 | Thrae | bleeter: Yeah, that's always fun, especially with bots |
| 23:29.42 | Cralor` | the ones that do everything they can to make you look stupid if you try and tell them to stop? |
| 23:29.48 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: biohazard, then bitch to wowreportedpost@ 'coz the troll's disruptive and stuff |
| 23:30.03 | Silentspy | scythe |
| 23:30.05 | ScytheBlade1 | biohazard has been spammed |
| 23:30.06 | bleeter | *then bitch @ whne the biohazard fails as it invariably does |
| 23:30.32 | Silentspy | http://justoneminute.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/bush_special_iraq.jpg |
| 23:30.34 | bleeter | it's not obvious, but biohazard can be used even when someone else has biohazardeded |
| 23:30.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I know |
| 23:30.51 | Silentspy | hmm thats the bad one |
| 23:30.57 | bleeter | I'm guessing there's some trigger number after a post's been biohazarded by different folks |
| 23:31.02 | bleeter | hmm |
| 23:31.18 | Silentspy | http://photos.commongate.com/11/38441_7dtr2scy8f_l.jpg |
| 23:31.20 | Silentspy | this one |
| 23:31.21 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: lots of tor connections and trial accounts and more biohazard and wowreportedpost@ emails then |
| 23:32.54 | bleeter | Thrae: thing was the undead dudes kept removing our underwater breathing lock buff, totally failing to notice my mage had the dive helm and the lock who was casting the underwater breathing had that stick from gnomer lololol |
| 23:33.15 | bleeter | Thrae: we could just 'see' these undead noobs thinking they were gunna out-live us.. good times ;) |
| 23:40.15 | AnduinLothar | Moodle says: Here I am, digging up some useless bauble from the ground at the will of someone I just recently met... does that seem right to you? |
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| 23:47.34 | sacarasc | "great" |
| 23:48.25 | Thunder_Child | it's only good if he brought cookies |
| 23:56.25 | foxlit | Hm, priests |
| 23:57.05 | foxlit | In my short tanking experience, I haven't yet had a single run with a priest healer that didn't end in some intense pain somewhere. |
| 23:57.27 | NightHawkTheSane | find a better priest |
| 23:57.51 | Amarande | foxlit: was the healer specced as such? |
| 23:57.57 | Amarande | you probably get a lot of off-spec priest healers |
| 23:57.57 | foxlit | yes |
| 23:58.08 | foxlit | Although it was mostly heroics that were problematic. |
| 23:58.09 | Amarande | simply because priests are utterly pathetic when it comes to any kind of soloability on holy spec |
| 23:58.29 | Thrae | I heal Heroics as Feral. |
| 23:58.36 | Thrae | OMG Nurturing Instinct rocks |
| 23:58.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: guildy of mine leveled 70-80 holy, he did fine. |
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| 23:58.53 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: i've done every heroic with a holy priest healing, no issues at all. find a better priest. :P |
| 23:58.55 | Amarande | something must have changed in 3.0 then |
| 23:59.00 | Amarande | in 2.3/2.4, leveling holy was HELL |
| 23:59.05 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: There's a different between "I'm fine with bat-shit boring" and the rest of the people |
| 23:59.09 | foxlit | hint: spellpower :) |
| 23:59.31 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: that's probably part of it. I have a feeling those guys go "Ooh, circle of healing, let's spam that!" |
| 23:59.34 | Thrae | Then again, I find 50% of leveling bat-shit boring |
| 23:59.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: *shrug* i think he mostly hung out in instances, actually :P |
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