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| 00:01.39 | foxlit | Cralor`: because you call InterfaceOptions_AddCategory(rmframe); five times? |
| 00:01.55 | foxlit | Should actually be 6 :/ |
| 00:02.02 | Cralor` | how so |
| 00:02.14 | foxlit | It's in a for loop. |
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| 00:02.33 | Thrae | Cairenn: Suggestion -- Add a "No Image" image locally on your server for people to pick for passive addons. It should save you several megabytes in the long run! |
| 00:02.46 | Cralor` | oh >_< |
| 00:02.48 | Cairenn | something we've considered |
| 00:02.50 | foxlit | Thrae: objection: I enjoy looking at "no image" images. |
| 00:02.57 | Cairenn | just haven't implimented |
| 00:02.59 | Thrae | foxlit: Mine's a haiku |
| 00:03.22 | Thrae | http://war.mmoui.com/downloads/info28-RenownTactics.html <-- bad haiku |
| 00:03.32 | Cralor` | foxlit: that is pure just being new to the for loop stuff. can you explain what is happening in my code a bit? :P |
| 00:04.32 | foxlit | Not right now; it's naptime. |
| 00:04.43 | Cralor` | alrighty :D |
| 00:05.37 | abyx | does strsplit work with "\0" as a separator? thats the character used to end a string isn't it? so i would assume strsplit would split up to the first \0 and stop |
| 00:06.03 | Arrowmaster | it is not the character used to end a string |
| 00:06.33 | Arrowmaster | but no afaik strsplit does not work with \0 because strsplit was written by blizzard and is not standard lua |
| 00:06.46 | Shirik|Ecole | abyx: Lua has no character that indicates the end of a string |
| 00:07.06 | abyx | lua>str="foo\0bar"; strtable = {strsplit("\0",str)}; print(strtable[1]..strtable[2]) |
| 00:07.07 | lua_bot | abyx: modules/luabot_sandbox.lua:129: malformed pattern (missing ']') |
| 00:07.35 | Shirik|Ecole | strsplit is also not a function found in lua vanilla |
| 00:07.43 | Shirik|Ecole | also wtf did you do |
| 00:07.44 | Arrowmaster | lua> strsplit |
| 00:07.45 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: function: 0x8088490 |
| 00:07.51 | Shirik|Ecole | lua>str |
| 00:07.51 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: nil |
| 00:08.38 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> str="foo\0bar"; return strsplit(str, "\0") |
| 00:08.38 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: modules/luabot_sandbox.lua:129: malformed pattern (missing ']') |
| 00:08.39 | Arrowmaster | lua> strsplit("\0", "foo\0bar") |
| 00:08.39 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: modules/luabot_sandbox.lua:129: malformed pattern (missing ']') |
| 00:08.46 | Shirik|Ecole | I think clad's strsplit is broke |
| 00:08.46 | abyx | what do you mean what did i do? i strsplit() a str that has a "\0" seprator and tried to print it |
| 00:08.54 | Shirik|Ecole | abyx, and there is nothing wrong with that |
| 00:08.55 | Shirik|Ecole | Look |
| 00:08.56 | Shirik|Ecole | seriously |
| 00:09.00 | Arrowmaster | lua> strsplit(",", "foo,bar") |
| 00:09.00 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: foo, bar |
| 00:09.05 | Shirik|Ecole | Drop all assumptions you have about the language |
| 00:09.06 | bleeter | and in other interesting news just to hand... |
| 00:09.17 | bleeter | I'm hearing that Chase Bank are no longer processing payments for Blizz |
| 00:09.31 | Shirik|Ecole | I can do anything I want with \0 |
| 00:09.53 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> foo ="a\0b\0c\0d\0"; for v in foo:gmatch("([^\0]+)\0") do print(v) end |
| 00:09.54 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: luabot:1: malformed pattern (missing ']') |
| 00:09.59 | Shirik|Ecole | except that lua_bot's broken |
| 00:10.04 | Shirik|Ecole | But that is valid |
| 00:10.22 | Arrowmaster | no you did it wrong Shirik|Ecole |
| 00:10.27 | Corr-work | lua> foo ="a\\0b\\0c\\0d\\0"; for v in foo:gmatch("([^\\0]+)\\0") do print(v) end |
| 00:10.27 | lua_bot | Corr-work: a, b, c, d |
| 00:10.32 | Shirik|Ecole | er |
| 00:10.33 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah |
| 00:10.34 | Shirik|Ecole | that |
| 00:10.43 | Arrowmaster | lua> foo ="a\0b\0c\0d\0"; for v in foo:gmatch("([^%z]+)%z") do print(v) end |
| 00:10.43 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: a, b, c, d |
| 00:10.44 | Corr-work | ah, but is it really \0 it's matching, or "\\0" ... or "\0" |
| 00:10.51 | Shirik|Ecole | That's the problem, there you go |
| 00:11.00 | Shirik|Ecole | Arrowmaster: It really shouldn't be erroring in lua_bot's script :) |
| 00:11.24 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: the strsplit one yeah, but the gmatch one was your error |
| 00:11.27 | Shirik|Ecole | yes it was |
| 00:11.37 | Shirik|Ecole | Fact of the matter is you can strsplit on a \0 |
| 00:11.45 | Arrowmaster | are you sure? |
| 00:11.49 | Arrowmaster | ive heard you cant |
| 00:11.56 | Shirik|Ecole | If you can't then that's broken :P |
| 00:12.02 | Arrowmaster | blizzard wrote it |
| 00:12.15 | Shirik|Ecole | I still think it's broken :) |
| 00:12.21 | Arrowmaster | exactly |
| 00:12.26 | Shirik|Ecole | granted given no documentation there's no way to answer it |
| 00:13.04 | Shirik|Ecole | uh |
| 00:13.07 | Shirik|Ecole | I think my code was right |
| 00:19.39 | Cidan | huh |
| 00:19.45 | Cidan | I guess I should upload the Conspiracy SVN changes |
| 00:19.53 | Cidan | did away with the whole menu bar thing |
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| 00:20.31 | Cidan | But that's why I can't stand Tem. |
| 00:20.57 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm going to subway |
| 00:21.07 | Cidan | eat fresh! |
| 00:21.12 | Cairenn | bring me back a roastbeef sub? |
| 00:21.17 | Cidan | WHICH YOU WONT DO AT SUBWAY LOLOL |
| 00:21.37 | Wobin | Shirik|Ecole: http://starfox.host.sk/thebigpicture.lua |
| 00:21.56 | Cidan | Oh God |
| 00:21.58 | Cidan | That hurts |
| 00:21.59 | Cidan | my eyes |
| 00:22.06 | Wobin | welcome to carbonite =) |
| 00:22.35 | Cidan | Who wrote this? |
| 00:22.46 | Wobin | No idea |
| 00:22.50 | Wobin | look them up =P |
| 00:22.52 | Cidan | This must be some sort of joke |
| 00:23.04 | Cidan | They did it to confuse the shit out of people |
| 00:23.20 | Cidan | Must pass it through some sort of external program to change variables. |
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| 00:23.30 | Cidan | Like Veni did with RDX |
| 00:23.39 | Shirik|Ecole | yes, exactly like what was done to RDX |
| 00:23.42 | Shirik|Ecole | it's a paid addon |
| 00:23.50 | Wobin | <Megalon> its encoded |
| 00:23.50 | Wobin | <Megalon> then you geht 342 pieces, of which 2 are not encoded |
| 00:23.50 | Wobin | <Megalon> get |
| 00:23.50 | Wobin | <Gnarfoz> the author hopefully has some translation macro to be able to actually code stuff ^^ |
| 00:23.50 | Wobin | <Megalon> and of those 340 pieces you get ~1400 pieces which are encoded once again |
| 00:24.07 | Shirik|Ecole | every variable is made up of keywords concatted together |
| 00:24.14 | Corr-work | because if there's one thing you want in an addon for a game that has rampant scamming, it's the inability to understand what it does or how it does it. |
| 00:24.16 | Shirik|Ecole | untilelseif="Stormwind City", |
| 00:24.25 | Corr-work | already being scammed out of money just to USE the addon is icing on that cake |
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| 00:25.58 | Corr-work | not to mention that WoW is one of the largest bations of open modding, and such an addon spits in the face of the philosophy of modding |
| 00:26.15 | Wobin | thus my disgust at Carbonite =P |
| 00:26.17 | Shirik|Ecole | it will be broken eventually |
| 00:26.18 | Corr-work | oh yeah, i'm sure they're REALLY popular |
| 00:26.34 | Wobin | Oh they're popular enough |
| 00:26.47 | Corr-work | oh? what does carbonite do? |
| 00:26.47 | Wobin | from people who don't care about what their addon might be doing |
| 00:26.54 | Wobin | quest help I think |
| 00:27.00 | Wobin | in amongst the kitchen sink |
| 00:27.03 | Corr-work | now that's pathetic |
| 00:27.34 | Codayus_ | There's Carbonite and Carbonite Quest; the latter is free (although still uses encrypted source). |
| 00:27.42 | Wobin | http://www.carboniteaddon.com/ |
| 00:28.04 | Codayus_ | Carbonite Quest seems common enough as these things go. Not sure if anyone's using Carbonite; that's obviously harder to track. |
| 00:31.46 | Codayus_ | Oh hey, this claims to have a link to the full decrypted carbonite source: |
| 00:31.49 | Codayus_ | http://www.wowbootybay.com/2008/11/14/wow-carbonite-addon-new-version/ |
| 00:31.52 | Codayus_ | If anyone cares |
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| 00:35.41 | abyx | what exactly "encrypted" it in the first place? |
| 00:36.11 | Cairenn | the author |
| 00:36.23 | Cairenn | :p ;) |
| 00:37.08 | Tekkub | "encrypted" lol |
| 00:37.27 | Codayus_ | Encoded, if you prefer. *shrug* |
| 00:37.34 | Arrowmaster | it does however seem to make use of some lua EOF bug |
| 00:37.50 | Tekkub | obfuscated |
| 00:37.50 | Arrowmaster | just try running it through luac |
| 00:38.27 | Wobin | wow ignores the errors |
| 00:38.30 | Wobin | so they use that method |
| 00:38.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i obfuscated your mom |
| 00:38.40 | Wobin | it's kinda like IE6 CSS hacks |
| 00:38.54 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, she had no idea what you were doing. |
| 00:39.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: zing. |
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| 00:43.09 | Engale | how many people here will admit that their irl name is carl? |
| 00:43.15 | Engale | or karl |
| 00:45.28 | Wobin | KarlKFI might |
| 00:45.38 | KarlKFI | < |
| 00:45.41 | Wobin | dunno about the rest of those karls |
| 00:46.13 | Engale | i was just board |
| 00:46.27 | Engale | wanted to see what people would say with a random question |
| 00:48.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd admit to it. |
| 00:48.28 | NightHawkTheSane | it wouldn't be true, though |
| 00:48.32 | Thunder_Child | like...who here is a pedafile? |
| 00:48.41 | KarlKFI | Karl is a German name, Carl is an English name. When I think Carl I think middle ages or Carl from ATHF. When I think Karl I think Awesome, german efficiency, white guy with a crew cut taking names. |
| 00:49.16 | KarlKFI | white blond guy* |
| 00:49.34 | Gnarfoz | Karl is also not a modern German name, really |
| 00:49.48 | KarlKFI | what's a modern name |
| 00:49.57 | Tekkub | Karl's my dad's name |
| 00:50.00 | Thunder_Child | Karl to me says nord/viking |
| 00:50.01 | Gnarfoz | a name that's given to children of the current generation |
| 00:50.02 | Engale | My name is a pun off of a german word |
| 00:50.14 | Wobin | ~x de en engale |
| 00:50.14 | Engale | my nickname is neways |
| 00:50.37 | Gnarfoz | I don't see the pun ^^ |
| 00:51.00 | Engale | Engel |
| 00:51.08 | Wobin | ~x de en engel |
| 00:51.10 | Gnarfoz | angel |
| 00:51.11 | Gnarfoz | blah |
| 00:51.29 | KarlKFI | http://www.beliebte-vornamen.de/2007.htm Karl: #75 |
| 00:51.29 | Gnarfoz | still don't see a pun there, but meh |
| 00:51.34 | Engale | had to remember how to spell it first |
| 00:51.42 | KarlKFI | looks modern to me |
| 00:51.46 | Gnarfoz | KarlKFI: yeah, do you know who compiled that list? people old enough to be named Karl :p |
| 00:51.53 | Wobin | or Carl |
| 00:51.55 | KarlKFI | it's from 2007 |
| 00:52.24 | KarlKFI | "There are no official name statistics in Germany. For this reason, the firstnamesgermany.com team has analysed approximately German 58,138 birth notifications and compiled this hit list of the most popular baby names 2007" |
| 00:52.26 | Engale | I took the german word for angel and changed it for me because i'm "no angel" |
| 00:52.40 | KarlKFI | BIRTH NOTIFICATION OF 2007 |
| 00:52.46 | KarlKFI | = modern |
| 00:53.00 | mikma | i took 3 letters from my first name and 2 from my last name |
| 00:53.07 | Gnarfoz | KarlKFI: yet, you still don't see many little Karls running around. |
| 00:53.10 | Wobin | please don't think you won't try and try? |
| 00:53.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i pulled random letters out of a scrabble bag. |
| 00:53.25 | KarlKFI | they can't be runnign around, they're not even 2 years old yet |
| 00:53.27 | Wobin | and got NightHawkTheSane? |
| 00:53.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: in that order too! it was crazy! |
| 00:53.43 | Gnarfoz | Running (requires Level 2) |
| 00:53.44 | Gnarfoz | right... |
| 00:54.09 | KarlKFI | they learn it from the trainer in IF, you think mothers take their kids to IF? |
| 00:54.13 | Shirik|Ecole | KarlKFI: How did they get that information? |
| 00:54.22 | Gnarfoz | KarlKFI: dwarven ones might ;D |
| 00:54.23 | Thunder_Child | i opened a book and took the first name that said Thunder_Child |
| 00:54.23 | KarlKFI | BIRTH NOTIFICATIONS |
| 00:54.25 | Shirik|Ecole | ? |
| 00:54.33 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf is that |
| 00:54.34 | KarlKFI | how is that confusing... |
| 00:54.34 | mikma | bitch notifications |
| 00:54.50 | Shirik|Ecole | what is a birth notification? |
| 00:55.01 | KarlKFI | it's Germany, maybe it's like death notifications |
| 00:55.02 | Thunder_Child | a notification of someones birth |
| 00:55.05 | Legorol | probably birth records |
| 00:55.06 | Thunder_Child | DUH!! |
| 00:55.13 | KarlKFI | or maybe it's from a company that sends out notifications |
| 00:55.20 | KarlKFI | who cares |
| 00:55.27 | Gnarfoz | or it's an english page |
| 00:55.29 | Shirik|Ecole | Because it can be statistically incorrect :) |
| 00:55.32 | Wobin | we have a registry of births, deaths and marriages |
| 00:55.33 | Shirik|Ecole | That's why I ask |
| 00:55.35 | KarlKFI | who cares? |
| 00:55.37 | Shirik|Ecole | I do! |
| 00:55.38 | Gnarfoz | that can't translate birth certificate correctly :P |
| 00:55.41 | Wobin | and we probably can get stats from them |
| 00:55.41 | Shirik|Ecole | Why else would I ask! |
| 00:55.48 | Engale | http://www.groireland.ie/registering_a_birth.htm |
| 00:56.00 | Engale | first thing google returned |
| 00:56.12 | KarlKFI | if it's #75 out of 58,138 german birth notifications that's got to statistically represent germany somehow, even if it's not accurate |
| 00:56.29 | Shirik|Ecole | incorrect |
| 00:56.33 | KarlKFI | how many kids does germany have in a year anyway |
| 00:56.39 | KarlKFI | 5 million? |
| 00:56.42 | Shirik|Ecole | For example, if they took it by people notifying them online |
| 00:56.44 | Gnarfoz | all I can attest to is: it's a german name. |
| 00:56.47 | KarlKFI | 100,000? |
| 00:56.48 | Legorol | KarlKFI: all it represents is that there is at least one person named Karl in Germany ;-) |
| 00:56.49 | Shirik|Ecole | then only those people that use the internet would do it |
| 00:56.52 | Shirik|Ecole | That's the problem |
| 00:56.57 | KarlKFI | more than that lego |
| 00:57.02 | Shirik|Ecole | You can get a bias via the means of taking the data |
| 00:57.13 | KarlKFI | there are at least 500 name sont he list |
| 00:57.18 | KarlKFI | it's higher than most of them |
| 00:57.19 | Shirik|Ecole | For example, if "birth notification" requires payment, then perhaps what you actually took is the popular names among the more wealthy |
| 00:57.28 | KarlKFI | therefore it has to be at least 2 people's names :P |
| 00:57.51 | Legorol | it could be 1, with arbitrary ranking among those with only 1 person :P |
| 00:57.54 | KarlKFI | who cares. he said it wasn;t a modern name |
| 00:58.05 | Shirik|Ecole | how did this come up anyway? |
| 00:58.05 | KarlKFI | but it is |
| 00:58.16 | KarlKFI | no matter how many people use it |
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| 00:58.17 | Engale | i asked who was named carl or karl |
| 00:58.24 | Shirik|Ecole | I kinda joined in at the middle of the conversation |
| 00:58.30 | Legorol | i do think though that 58k names are a large enough sample (even if biased) to show that the name is widely used in at least some demographics |
| 00:58.38 | KarlKFI | see |
| 00:58.39 | Shirik|Ecole | oh now I see why KarlKFI is taking offense to what I said :) KarlKFI, didn't mean it that way |
| 00:58.44 | KarlKFI | germany's not THAT big |
| 00:58.56 | Shirik|Ecole | I only intend to point out flaws in statistical analyses, which I do a lot :P |
| 00:58.57 | Gnarfoz | rather small :D |
| 00:59.06 | Shirik|Ecole | Because as you probably know, about 75% of statistics are made up |
| 00:59.18 | Gnarfoz | exactly 75%! |
| 00:59.23 | Thunder_Child | ~failrik |
| 00:59.24 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:59.25 | Wobin | 76% on the spot, even! |
| 00:59.26 | Engale | includin' that one |
| 00:59.34 | Legorol | you are wrong Shirik|Ecole, it's 80% of them |
| 00:59.44 | mikma | ~poop |
| 00:59.45 | purl | ACTION fertilizes the channel |
| 00:59.51 | KarlKFI | last i heard germany gave you a lot of money for having kids, so the birthrate was growing, btu still bellow the world average |
| 00:59.52 | Shirik|Ecole | I believe that's within 1 standard deviation |
| 00:59.57 | Shirik|Ecole | it was probably due to statistical variance |
| 01:00.29 | Gnarfoz | we've been giving money to people for having kids for ages ;-) it's neither a recent programme nor do I think it really affects the birth rate |
| 01:00.35 | Legorol | later chaps |
| 01:00.39 | KarlKFI | "There were between 680,000 - 690,000 births in Germany in 2005 - among the lowest birth rate per woman in the European Union and the lowest total since 1946." |
| 01:00.48 | Gnarfoz | (I'd wager immigration has more of an influence on *that*) |
| 01:00.52 | Engale | I just saw someone cuttin' a BIG block of cheese with a wood saw...o.o! |
| 01:01.02 | Shirik|Ecole | Germany has laws about what names you can use? |
| 01:01.33 | Engale | ok new question why would you use a wood saw to cut cheese? |
| 01:01.34 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 01:01.37 | Gnarfoz | we do |
| 01:01.40 | KarlKFI | "In 2007 the German fertility rate was exactly 1.37. ... the average number of children per woman in Germany was 1.37 in 2007" |
| 01:01.52 | Shirik|Ecole | wow |
| 01:02.13 | Gnarfoz | no "version 2.0" named children here^^ |
| 01:02.50 | KarlKFI | so i'm gonna guess there's aproximately 700k births per year.... |
| 01:03.23 | KarlKFI | so 58k is fairly representative percent of that, as statistics go |
| 01:03.29 | Shirik|Ecole | KarlKFI, you are completely missing my point |
| 01:03.36 | Shirik|Ecole | My point is that 58k might not be a SRS |
| 01:03.44 | Shirik|Ecole | and that it might be a biased sample |
| 01:03.51 | KarlKFI | so what? |
| 01:03.55 | Shirik|Ecole | ... |
| 01:04.00 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm not going to keep repeating myself |
| 01:04.01 | |Jelly| | Shirik: I'm sure you've read this before but LULZ all the same http://wowuidev.pastey.net/102776-1xuz <3 |
| 01:04.17 | Engale | Shirik|Ecole: your argument is biased towards your thrain of thought. |
| 01:04.25 | KarlKFI | here, have a graph: http://lexikon.beliebte-vornamen.de/karl.htm |
| 01:04.36 | KarlKFI | happy? |
| 01:05.03 | KarlKFI | i have no idea what it means, but it's pretty |
| 01:05.05 | Shirik|Ecole | I have no intention to have a discussion with someone whom is hostile to his peers |
| 01:05.09 | Shirik|Ecole | |Jelly|, what is that? |
| 01:05.22 | Wobin | wow |
| 01:05.29 | KarlKFI | RAWR! |
| 01:05.30 | |Jelly| | Priest Guidelines that I read somewhere. I thought it was funny. |
| 01:05.34 | |Jelly| | It's dated but still |
| 01:05.35 | Wobin | who was it in 1985 that made Karl so popular? |
| 01:05.42 | KarlKFI | me |
| 01:06.01 | KarlKFI | i dunno, guess when i was born |
| 01:06.08 | mikma | wobin: oh i know this! |
| 01:06.12 | mikma | it was the actor in Die Hard! |
| 01:06.19 | Shirik|Ecole | I can't read this right now, |Jelly|, maybe later |
| 01:06.21 | Wobin | rutger hauer? |
| 01:06.22 | KarlKFI | my parents took a tour through europe and gemany |
| 01:06.34 | KarlKFI | when my mother was pregnant |
| 01:06.42 | |Jelly| | Shirik: :( |
| 01:07.15 | KarlKFI | Karl Marx (1897-1985) |
| 01:07.28 | KarlKFI | In 1985, Karl Langdon began his football career |
| 01:08.15 | KarlKFI | movie Lieber Karl (1985) |
| 01:08.51 | KarlKFI | Karl Malone was chosen by the Jazz in 1985 out of Louisiana Tech with the 13th overall pick in the draft. |
| 01:10.00 | KarlKFI | In 1985 Karl Bedingfield, heavily influenced by the electronic acts of the day (Heaven 17, Bronski Beat & Paul Haig) brought a drum machine & synth and embarked on a brief encounter with music creation. |
| 01:10.04 | KarlKFI | ok i'm done |
| 01:10.54 | KarlKFI | BTW I blame engale |
| 01:11.08 | Gnarfoz | blame the Germans |
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| 01:11.26 | KarlKFI | they get blamed for enough |
| 01:11.35 | Engale | blame canada |
| 01:11.40 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 01:11.51 | Engale | they even have a song to blame them with :D |
| 01:13.01 | Shirik|Ecole | I found a new favorite ice cream flavor |
| 01:13.08 | Shirik|Ecole | Americone Dream |
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| 01:13.55 | KarlKFI | is it as good as chocolate malted crunch? |
| 01:14.04 | Engale | well it is now time for me to go play wow... |
| 01:15.14 | KarlKFI | oi. I played 7 hours yesterday i don't want to look at wow atm |
| 01:15.44 | KarlKFI | I finished off every quest in Zul'Drak |
| 01:16.00 | KarlKFI | 102/100 |
| 01:16.01 | abyx | zul'drak was probably my least favorite zone |
| 01:16.11 | KarlKFI | I <3 undead zones as a pally |
| 01:16.16 | Cralor` | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/102812 is function Frame_ValueChanged(self, value) Frame.scale = value; - a efficient way of saving a value of a slider? |
| 01:16.22 | KarlKFI | ZD is my 2nd fav after Dragonblight |
| 01:16.40 | smcn | yeah zuldrak is the worst |
| 01:16.40 | smcn | :P |
| 01:16.57 | smcn | sholazar #1 grizzly #2 for me |
| 01:17.01 | KarlKFI | i love the one area where undead spawn non-stop and give xp |
| 01:17.11 | abyx | sholazar was awesome because i got 77 to 78 in 3.5 hours |
| 01:17.14 | KarlKFI | just aoe 8 at a time for 1k xp each |
| 01:17.33 | mikma | grizzly hills? |
| 01:17.35 | abyx | gladiator netherdrake + quests all over the place = flying through levels. pun intended |
| 01:17.36 | KarlKFI | and the Giant mount quest was cool |
| 01:17.54 | mikma | the undeads didn't give me any xp when i killed them |
| 01:18.10 | KarlKFI | and the infiltrating the undead by dressing as a ghoul was cool |
| 01:18.14 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> I loved zul'drak. |
| 01:18.36 | KarlKFI | and i LOVE the giant snow leopard god with blue glowing eyes |
| 01:18.37 | mikma | ya, that questline was cool :D |
| 01:18.54 | WobWork | spirit beast special attack is kinda cool |
| 01:19.03 | KarlKFI | and the quest where you get to ride a snow leopard stealthed |
| 01:19.05 | WobWork | it's a time delayed moonfire bomb =P |
| 01:19.48 | KarlKFI | and the sub-zone that's all in the underworld with the wind serpant god who think's he's all that when you're really helping him |
| 01:20.29 | KarlKFI | I don't really liek the Pa-Troll chain/daily tho |
| 01:20.43 | KarlKFI | stupid collection quests |
| 01:21.17 | KarlKFI | mikma: At Light's Stand they give xp |
| 01:21.33 | KarlKFI | you jsut dont get xp for the damage that the npc's do |
| 01:21.58 | KarlKFI | so like if an npc gets a mob to half hp and you kill it you onyl get half xp |
| 01:22.52 | Dashkal | I love Zarhym sometimes: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/13116121735-stop-appealing-to-casuals.html |
| 01:23.37 | KarlKFI | "Literal" definitely doesn't mean what you think it means. |
| 01:23.40 | KarlKFI | rofl |
| 01:25.57 | NightHawkTheSane | KarlKFI: "The Chimpanzee market could be HUGE" <-- win |
| 01:26.17 | Codayus_ | Literally clearly literally means figuratively. >.> |
| 01:26.21 | KarlKFI | not rly tho, they dont use $ |
| 01:26.45 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe, but if you're trading in poo, it's a gold mine! |
| 01:26.54 | KarlKFI | $ != poo |
| 01:27.05 | NightHawkTheSane | tell that to the cimps! |
| 01:27.06 | NightHawkTheSane | chimps. |
| 01:27.26 | Codayus_ | In any case, that's one kickass post. |
| 01:27.40 | KarlKFI | Using "Literally" as a hyperbole is a really pathetic way to do hyperbole |
| 01:28.07 | Lunessa | The chimpanzee market could be HUGE. |
| 01:28.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i hate it when you need to come up with the places i've lived for the past 10 years. That's like 8 different places, and i don't remember the address of the LAST place i lived. >< |
| 01:28.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: welcome to three minutes ago. :) |
| 01:28.31 | Lunessa | The chimpanzee market could be HUGE. |
| 01:28.31 | KarlKFI | bad enough for the last 3 years |
| 01:28.59 | NightHawkTheSane | KarlKFI: well i've lived at the same place now for three years. so that's fine. but i really cannot, for the life of me, remember the house number of the last two places i lived. |
| 01:29.02 | KarlKFI | esp when they want phone numbers, i'm like wtf, i never called them |
| 01:29.18 | KarlKFI | I've moved every summer for the past 6 years |
| 01:29.49 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i was in school 3-4 years ago, i was moving every six or so months |
| 01:30.34 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: PLaces that want addresses that far back are usually not places I want to do business with. |
| 01:31.12 | Bibi | [02:22:41] <Dashkal> I love Zarhym sometimes: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/13116121735-stop-appealing-to-casuals.html |
| 01:31.15 | Bibi | oh, hi Tseric. |
| 01:31.36 | Dashkal | Bibi: I hear that a lot about Zarhym... |
| 01:31.54 | Dashkal | Too bad I wasn't on the forums when Tseric was about. |
| 01:31.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: normally id agree. but i'm at a point now where i can't particularly afford to be picky.... >< |
| 01:32.03 | Bibi | technically, I could have it checked |
| 01:32.07 | Bibi | but it's not like I care |
| 01:33.29 | Lunessa | I understand. When I was app'ing for a car loan, they wanted everything but a DNA sample. I got up and walked out. I couldn't afford not to get the loan, but I couldn't deal with the invasion of my entire life. They waived a lot of the requirements at that point. |
| 01:34.01 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 01:34.04 | bleeter | stupid blizz... 'chimp market could be huge'... yer already selling to chimps! |
| 01:34.23 | bleeter | i.e. the designation "homo" is human conceit; if we were some other species applying 'objective'(??) classification, homo would be pongidae (sp?) |
| 01:34.26 | NightHawkTheSane | I think i'm just going to put down the parts of the last few addresses i remember. if they bitch, meh. can't get blood from a stone. |
| 01:34.52 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: You got that right. |
| 01:38.26 | mikma | tem|laptop: wakey wakey :) |
| 01:38.39 | Tem|laptop | what |
| 01:39.18 | mikma | tem|laptop: small little problen with IDCard, after checking out Achievement, all the tooltips get the same golden border on the icon :) |
| 01:39.34 | Tem|laptop | I don't have that problem |
| 01:40.13 | mikma | i checked out my own achievement that i got, and now all spells and items have golden border in the icon. cute |
| 01:40.31 | Tem|laptop | mikma, check to see that you aren't overlooking a lua error somewhere |
| 01:40.50 | mikma | nope, nothing flashing in minimap this time |
| 01:41.16 | Tem|laptop | the border gets hidden during every OnTooltipCleared event |
| 01:41.43 | Tem|laptop | so if that is getting broken somehow, you'll keep the border |
| 01:41.49 | Tem|laptop | I blame your other addons |
| 01:41.53 | Tem|laptop | I gotta go |
| 01:41.55 | Tem|laptop | test time |
| 01:42.02 | mikma | :D |
| 01:44.32 | Shirik|Ecole | AnduinLothar: Apparently Lua patterns cannot contain embedded zeros, and should use %z instead |
| 01:45.03 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> foo="a\0b\0c\0d\0"; for v in foo:gmatch("([^%z]+)%z") do print(string.byte(v)) end |
| 01:45.03 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: 97, 98, 99, 100 |
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| 01:45.45 | Shirik|Ecole | That's because it uses C functions to perform matching |
| 01:45.51 | Amarande | G'evening. |
| 01:45.56 | Amarande | agh. people in trade chat need to be more specific lately |
| 01:46.16 | Shirik|Ecole | WTB stuff |
| 01:46.20 | Shirik|Ecole | WTS stuff |
| 01:46.35 | Amarande | Shirik: referring to "PoM" without qualification |
| 01:46.42 | Amarande | which could refer to at least two distinct and definitely different spells |
| 01:47.00 | Gnarfoz | mage vs priest etc? |
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| 01:47.04 | Amarande | reminds me of the BC days when people would ask for a group for SH without mentioning if they wanted Sethekk or Shattered :| |
| 01:47.11 | Shirik|Ecole | it's always prayer of mending |
| 01:47.14 | Shirik|Ecole | screw magesw |
| 01:47.23 | Gnarfoz | at least that one was easy on german realms, where shattered halls was ZH :D |
| 01:47.30 | AbsoRayne | ok, no more screwing around |
| 01:47.34 | AbsoRayne | Time to upload Boxes |
| 01:47.36 | AbsoRayne | @_@ |
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| 01:49.31 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:49.43 | Amarande | are unholy DKs generally to be regarded as good or noob? |
| 01:51.37 | Amarande | I keep seeing an awful lot of them lately |
| 01:51.41 | Amarande | even more than I see blood DKs |
| 01:51.56 | Gnarfoz | generalizations like that will get you nowhere :p |
| 01:52.16 | Codayus_ | *shrug* It's a good leveling tree. |
| 01:53.00 | Lunessa | For "On a Pale Horse" and the perma-pet talent... delicious. |
| 01:53.14 | Codayus_ | Don't forget Unholy Aura. |
| 01:53.29 | Lunessa | true dat. it's like leveling as Sexy. |
| 01:54.50 | Lunessa | What most "new" Death Knights fail to understand is that they can be good at either DPS or tanking no matter which tree they use. |
| 01:55.45 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm out of here for tonight. Dinner time, then home to play WoW. |
| 01:56.21 | Codayus_ | I'd also like a gold for every time I've run into nubs who think "frost is the tanking tree"... |
| 01:57.09 | AbsoRayne | This new House is soooo goooood @_@ |
| 02:00.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: unholy deathknights are like ret paladins. probably a little powerful, full of "on the bandwagon" and noobs who really don't understand anything |
| 02:01.08 | NightHawkTheSane | there's an extra conjunction in there. i'll leave you to figure it out |
| 02:04.10 | Amarande | Night: I keep thinking people choose them for the permanent ghoul |
| 02:04.17 | Amarande | I barely ever use my ghoul anyway :S |
| 02:04.37 | Amarande | and I'm beginning to get this feeling that Cruel's Intentions requires you to either be on a PvP server or set aside an entire evening to do it :| |
| 02:05.02 | NightHawkTheSane | or.. have friends? |
| 02:05.19 | Amarande | Night: it's more a matter of actually being able to get tagging rights to Cruel before some alliance kids do |
| 02:05.32 | Amarande | on a PvP server, you can kill the alliance kids as they're weakened by the elite |
| 02:05.38 | Amarande | on a PvE server you just have to wait yet another 3 minutes out |
| 02:05.57 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* blame blizzard's poor design of "race for the tag" gaming. |
| 02:06.07 | NightHawkTheSane | but don't gank them as their fighting, that's fucking lame |
| 02:06.56 | ZorbaBeta | on a pvp server, it's perfectly legit. just don't be surprised when they countergank you |
| 02:07.37 | NightHawkTheSane | it's lame, and despicable, regardless. |
| 02:08.35 | bleeter | hmm interesting |
| 02:08.42 | Amarande | Night: however, I can bet you anythign that IF Quel'dorei WERE a PvP server |
| 02:08.46 | Amarande | the alliance kids would be doing it to us all the time |
| 02:08.52 | Amarande | and so, it would be legit self preservation :| |
| 02:09.17 | NightHawkTheSane | so? the inability for other people to act like decent human beings does not justify your inability to |
| 02:09.32 | Dewin | There is no way to rename a guild is there |
| 02:09.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: no |
| 02:12.20 | AbsoRayne | Anyone else having login issues? |
| 02:13.29 | AbsoRayne | oh nm, there we go |
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| 02:22.28 | bleeter | AbsoRayne: yeah, there seems to be some background work/issues with login/authenticator at the moment. i'd get into acct management and it was either 404ing or 503ing or similar. if I hit refresh it'd be fine /shrug |
| 02:22.44 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: grats :) |
| 02:22.58 | bleeter | Tem: grats :) |
| 02:23.10 | Tem | :) |
| 02:23.54 | Amarande | Night: I'm more implying that on a PvP server where enough of one faction is unable to act like decent human beings, eventually the opposing faction will probably be forced to resort to the same tactics in order to be able to achieve anything |
| 02:24.03 | Amarande | this is one reason I don't play on PvP servers. :) |
| 02:26.13 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, hmm? |
| 02:26.35 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: soz, I meant to let you know.. I pinged you by mistake, was trying to hit Tem ;) |
| 02:26.58 | Thunder_Child | well hit him harder next time |
| 02:27.11 | bleeter | kk |
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| 02:30.11 | Kemayo_ | Cairenn: Pong? |
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| 02:30.42 | Kemayo_ | (A response time of 24 hours and... 8 minutes.) |
| 02:30.56 | Huligan | Alguno podria aclararme una duda con las tablas de variables? |
| 02:30.58 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Kemayo_ |
| 02:30.59 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Kemayo_. I hate you because you fail. |
| 02:31.04 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5320-AuldLangSyne.html /puppydogeyes |
| 02:31.51 | Kemayo_ | Tricky, because I have no WoW account at the moment... |
| 02:32.08 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, my experience is that on any PvP server, both sides will be childish, and both sides will claim it's in retaliation to the other obviously-less-mature side |
| 02:32.10 | malreth | that's a lazy excuse for lazy people |
| 02:32.14 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4868-FuBar-KungFu.html, also /puppydogeyes |
| 02:33.00 | Cairenn | Kemayo_: aye, okay, nm then |
| 02:33.46 | Thrae | Am I crazy arguing that "casuals" are not "whiney bastards that refuse to raid", and that there is indeed a lot of time and effort needed to do so? |
| 02:34.35 | WobWork | ~x es en Alguno podria aclararme una duda con las tablas de variables? |
| 02:34.47 | ZorbaBeta | thrae, yes, you are, but only because whoever you're arguing with will never agree with you :) |
| 02:35.06 | ZorbaBeta | not because the point itself is actually invalid (I think you're probably right :P) |
| 02:35.40 | Thrae | He also was surprised when I said the Mac port of WoW was aimed at the casual gamer, the gamer that doesn't really use computers very much. |
| 02:35.50 | cbreak | it is? |
| 02:36.05 | cbreak | I thought it was aimed at mac users |
| 02:36.13 | Thrae | Right, same thing. |
| 02:36.46 | Thrae | As Apple advertises, "It just works." |
| 02:36.47 | cbreak | back when I did my masters in Computer Science, many of the fellow students had macs too. |
| 02:37.00 | Huligan | Ninguno de habla hispana para resolverme una duda? |
| 02:37.22 | schnoggo | Anyone use ItemButtonTemplate? I am failing... get a button frame, but no content. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/102828 |
| 02:37.23 | malreth | you know what the windows enterprise admins use for their personal computers? |
| 02:37.33 | Thrae | cbreak: Sure, I coded on an Apple II, but that wasn't a Mac persay... |
| 02:37.36 | cbreak | an XBox 360? :) |
| 02:37.46 | schnoggo | 6502 FTW! |
| 02:38.50 | cbreak | I would say (and I am pulling numbers out of thin air here) that a big number of PCs with windows are used in offices. |
| 02:38.55 | Thrae | Now now, an IT Admin doesn't count. In most of the colleges I looked at, the IT degree paled in comparison to the CS degree with regards to hardware and software training. As would make sense. |
| 02:39.09 | malreth | there's an IT degree? |
| 02:39.12 | cbreak | Claiming the Windows version of WoW is directed at office workers is not useful :) |
| 02:39.17 | Thrae | At my university, yes. |
| 02:39.23 | schnoggo | ah.. the 8-bit stack pointer... the "accumulator..." the hard-wired index registers... |
| 02:39.37 | Thrae | cbreak: I'm talking the targeted audience, so that's a red herring. |
| 02:40.09 | cbreak | they just target everyone who wants to buy it... |
| 02:41.00 | Thrae | Right, but making a Mac port takes special effort. Otherwise everyone would just do it. Why Macs? 'Cause one they have a hard-on for OpenGL, and another they to *unlock* the Mac gamer audience. |
| 02:41.17 | Thunder_Child | there is no "mac gamer audience" |
| 02:41.22 | Thrae | The Mac gamers have been bumped up in quite large numbers, relatively, with the inclusion of WC3 and WoW. |
| 02:41.41 | Thrae | Well, sometimes people are gamers but don't game yet. |
| 02:41.44 | malreth | hard on for OpenGL? as if they have any other alternative |
| 02:41.47 | ZorbaBeta | it doesn't really take that *much* special effort. porting a game to a similar architecture ain't that hard, and on a basic level, PCs and Macs are essentially identical. |
| 02:41.52 | abyx | SendAddonMessage() should truncate data past 255 bytes instead of d/c'ing >_> |
| 02:42.02 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: This was pre-Intel lovin' |
| 02:42.12 | ZorbaBeta | eh, just means they can't do bit hacks |
| 02:42.14 | cbreak | I played wc2... on a mac. blizzard has released their games for macs for some time now |
| 02:42.21 | ZorbaBeta | and a lot of the time you don't need to do bit hacks anyway :P |
| 02:42.27 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Hacks are what make MMOs live |
| 02:43.00 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: WoW 1.0 was crazy unoptimized |
| 02:43.26 | ZorbaBeta | a lot of optimizations aren't based around bitwise manipulation |
| 02:43.42 | ZorbaBeta | a lot of it comes down to smarter algorithms, not near-assembly-level hackery |
| 02:43.49 | Amarande | yay, killing machine procs when icy touch is already active = <3 |
| 02:44.09 | Thrae | Building a computer game is hard enough with just the simple threads, and now you have the all-important network thread and weird-ass texture problems to consider |
| 02:44.28 | ZorbaBeta | neither of those are really large parts of the game, though |
| 02:44.43 | malreth | and which order you should send the triangles to the graphics pipeline |
| 02:44.57 | Huligan | One could help me with a question about saving variables in LUA language? |
| 02:44.57 | Thrae | Yeah, but you're talking perfect abstraction there that it'll all trickle down to both ports |
| 02:45.04 | krka | Huligan: LUA, what's that? Did you mean to say Lua? :-D |
| 02:45.12 | cbreak | you have a macro for that |
| 02:45.13 | cbreak | admit it |
| 02:45.14 | Amarande | I used to always say LUA myself |
| 02:45.15 | ZorbaBeta | malreth, yeah, that's potentially major. I'm curious if that really takes changes switching from PC to Mac as long as they're both on OpenGL, but I don't honestly know about that |
| 02:45.25 | Amarande | but that's probably because I was usually referring to the files themselves |
| 02:45.35 | Amarande | and being an old dog who started in the DOS days |
| 02:45.38 | cbreak | ZorbaBeta: windows and mac os x have different apis |
| 02:45.42 | Tem | http://en.akinator.com/# |
| 02:45.42 | Amarande | I'm used to giving file extensions in all caps :| |
| 02:45.47 | cbreak | for a game that's hardly relevant though |
| 02:45.49 | Thrae | cbreak: Macro? It's a script yes...there are no macros in most IRC clients, or at least they don't call them that. |
| 02:45.52 | cbreak | in most cases |
| 02:45.56 | ZorbaBeta | cbreak, sure, but the vast majority of game code doesn't care, especially if they're using opengl |
| 02:46.01 | cbreak | I meant Kraka with that thrane |
| 02:46.31 | Thrae | cbreak: I was answering for him, since krka is using an auto-response script and rarely speaks. |
| 02:46.40 | ZorbaBeta | LUA |
| 02:46.43 | cbreak | LUA LUA LUA |
| 02:46.44 | ZorbaBeta | aww :) |
| 02:46.54 | cbreak | hmm... you broke it ZorbaBeta |
| 02:46.56 | Thrae | Throttling people |
| 02:47.05 | ZorbaBeta | it's quite possible it has a cooldown |
| 02:47.16 | Huligan | Es que ya ni utilizando traductor |
| 02:47.21 | Thrae | First macros and now cooldowns...you people have too much WoW on your brains. |
| 02:47.32 | cbreak | macros are nothing WoW specific |
| 02:47.40 | ZorbaBeta | hey, it's a good term. no reason not to use it |
| 02:47.44 | Tem | Tirion Fordring |
| 02:47.46 | Tem | sheild? |
| 02:47.49 | Tem | or no? |
| 02:47.54 | Amarande | heh, when I was at Dragon Con and riding the elevator in the Hyatt, it occurred to me to wish people were like they were in WoW |
| 02:48.02 | Thrae | True, but looking at someone responding quickly with a pre-made response and your first thought is "macro", that's WoW influence right there. |
| 02:48.23 | Amarande | Thrae: macros go back a long long way before WoW :| |
| 02:48.26 | ZorbaBeta | the term "macro" long predates WoW |
| 02:48.38 | malreth | ~dict macro |
| 02:48.56 | Thrae | Yeah, and all the times I've ever used macros, I would never equate them with an auto-response script. |
| 02:49.00 | cbreak | I had, many years ago, a macro recording software that recorded key strokes and clicks. It was such a hack :) |
| 02:49.14 | malreth | Macros are when you take pictures of flowers up close |
| 02:50.03 | Thrae | Hence, red herring. |
| 02:52.16 | abyx | lua> str="abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"; print(string.sub(str,1,8)) |
| 02:52.16 | lua_bot | abyx: abcdefgh |
| 02:53.20 | abyx | hmm so i'm doing it correctly but for some reason when i do SendAddonMessage("foo",string.sub(strtosend,1,220),"GUILD") i get disconnected (because the sent data > 255) |
| 02:54.22 | cbreak | lua> str="abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"; print(string.gsub(str,"[cdefghijklmnopqrstuvwz]","")) |
| 02:54.22 | lua_bot | cbreak: abxy, 22 |
| 02:55.02 | cbreak | what is foo? |
| 02:55.09 | abyx | 3 bytes |
| 02:55.16 | cbreak | you actually use foo? |
| 02:55.29 | abyx | no but i use a prefix of the same length as "foo" |
| 02:55.34 | cbreak | ok |
| 02:55.40 | cbreak | and you are sure that the string is clean? |
| 02:55.51 | cbreak | (no illegal characters) |
| 02:56.03 | abyx | what would be an illegal character? |
| 02:56.23 | Amarande | heh. |
| 02:56.23 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/ValidChatMessageCharacters |
| 02:56.26 | Amarande | <Insert Guild Name Here> |
| 02:58.40 | abyx | ah i found the problem. sigh. as usual i was doing it wrong ;) |
| 02:58.59 | malreth | wrong? |
| 02:59.10 | Amarande | hmm, apparently blood is not as survivable as some people say |
| 02:59.19 | Amarande | I'm hearing these tales of hunters managing to kill blood DKs 3 levels higher |
| 02:59.37 | abyx | dk's get kited around no problem don't they? |
| 03:00.13 | Amarande | abys: DKs have snares and ranged spells |
| 03:00.23 | cbreak | what was wrong abxy? |
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| 03:02.13 | abyx | well i hate to say but... i had something like SendAddonMessage("foo",var1..var2,"GUILD") and i was string.subbing only arg1 instead of the entire message.... rather embarrassing |
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| 03:05.33 | cbreak | hmm... you need a bracket matching editor :) |
| 03:08.39 | Cralor` | damn server just crashed |
| 03:09.01 | Cralor` | while i have to wait: anyone know what's wrong here :D http://wowuidev.pastey.net/102812 |
| 03:09.18 | Cralor` | only 16 lines of code |
| 03:09.33 | Cralor` | 17* :P |
| 03:09.57 | malreth | what does it do? |
| 03:10.06 | Cralor` | oh sorry. :D |
| 03:10.32 | Cralor` | ok |
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| 03:10.54 | Cralor` | i made a scale slider |
| 03:11.22 | Cralor` | and when it moves i want the frame to scale several frames |
| 03:11.36 | Cralor` | and i want to save the scale value in RuneMoverDB.scale |
| 03:12.59 | cbreak | and what does it not do but should? |
| 03:13.08 | cbreak | or is it something it does but should not? |
| 03:13.29 | Cralor` | i does not do anything to the frame :D |
| 03:13.46 | Cralor` | my addon modifies the DK runes |
| 03:13.57 | cbreak | doesn't look like it does |
| 03:14.34 | Cralor` | i save the value of it in RuneMoverDB.scale |
| 03:14.42 | cbreak | no |
| 03:14.50 | Cralor` | why no? :D |
| 03:14.52 | cbreak | you don't set a handler for OnValueChanged |
| 03:15.09 | Cralor` | line 12? |
| 03:15.23 | cbreak | on this line, the variable is nil |
| 03:15.43 | cbreak | Slider_ValueChanged is assigned first on line 15 |
| 03:15.44 | Cralor` | what variable |
| 03:15.58 | Cralor` | oh yes you're right. |
| 03:16.12 | Cralor` | i need to set up a list of possible mistakes :D |
| 03:16.20 | Cralor` | thanks very much! |
| 03:16.24 | cbreak | np |
| 03:16.43 | cbreak | it helps to use the raw syntax of function definitions |
| 03:17.07 | Cralor` | wow actually |
| 03:17.15 | Cralor` | that is my problem for several things i had.... wow |
| 03:17.28 | cbreak | let's all be happy you don't write in C :) |
| 03:17.41 | cbreak | uninitialised variables are the source for a few bugs :) |
| 03:17.41 | Cralor` | heh. i will get there in later years. |
| 03:18.07 | cbreak | as a general tip: |
| 03:18.18 | Cralor` | i am still fairly new at this. i want to major in programming |
| 03:18.38 | cbreak | I try to execute no code appart from table constructions, function definitions and assignments in the top level |
| 03:18.57 | cbreak | Two reasons: |
| 03:19.19 | cbreak | first, executing code then makes loading of addons slower |
| 03:19.33 | cbreak | if I can delay it, it might be able to do it at a more opportune time |
| 03:20.14 | cbreak | second reason: I can't do that in other languages, so I am just not used it |
| 03:20.19 | cbreak | you found the third reason :) |
| 03:21.08 | Cralor` | :P |
| 03:21.14 | Cralor` | hey i got another quest |
| 03:21.20 | Cralor` | ion |
| 03:21.26 | cbreak | in my newest addon I have an ElementalFlux_OnUpdate method at the start of the code, and at the end I call that method. |
| 03:21.54 | Amarande | wtf, someone named their DK Sugarblossom |
| 03:21.57 | cbreak | hmm... it's not my newest. Anyway, it makes the code quite readable and it still does execute the few things that have to be executed at load time |
| 03:22.10 | Cralor` | the functions need to be made first, like you showed me... but there are things in there that need my blizzard options, too |
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| 03:22.33 | Cralor` | what should i do to deal with this? |
| 03:22.35 | cbreak | your settings are not loaded until later |
| 03:22.48 | cbreak | also, I don't understand your concerns. |
| 03:22.54 | Yssaril | anyone else getting stuck on the authenticating screen? |
| 03:23.19 | Cralor` | Yssaril: try Cancel and redo |
| 03:23.21 | Cralor` | worked form e |
| 03:23.27 | cbreak | lua> f=function() print(x) end; f() x = 1 f() |
| 03:23.28 | lua_bot | cbreak: nil, 1 |
| 03:23.45 | Cralor` | cbreak: like.. in RuneMover_Lock() which does the rmlock checkbox requires the rmlock checkbox |
| 03:23.49 | Yssaril | Cralor`: was the first thing i tried :P |
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| 03:24.04 | Cralor` | Yssaril: then i do not know =( sorry |
| 03:24.22 | Yssaril | Cralor`: np thanks for trying |
| 03:24.22 | cbreak | function definitions don't execute the code they contain |
| 03:24.26 | cbreak | function calls do |
| 03:24.41 | malreth | actually, i recommend making it recursive |
| 03:24.56 | Cralor` | recursive? |
| 03:25.07 | malreth | i'm never wrong |
| 03:25.29 | Yssaril | Cralor`: function calling itself (just make sure it ends at some point otherwise you get an infinite loop) |
| 03:25.52 | Cralor` | kinda confused here haha |
| 03:26.54 | cbreak | lua> f=function() print(x) end; x = 1 f() |
| 03:26.54 | lua_bot | cbreak: 1 |
| 03:27.03 | cbreak | I can make a function that acts on x before x is assigned |
| 03:27.32 | cbreak | that's because x is not used until I call f |
| 03:27.33 | Cralor` | yea because lua reads everything but functions first, or no? |
| 03:27.48 | cbreak | no, because lua does not execute functions without you calling them :) |
| 03:28.08 | Cralor` | alright |
| 03:28.18 | cbreak | lua> f = function () print(somethingthatdoesnotexist) end |
| 03:28.19 | lua_bot | cbreak: No output |
| 03:28.21 | Cralor` | that is why i have to put an OnLoad at the bottom of my code? |
| 03:28.24 | cbreak | no error :) |
| 03:28.33 | Cralor` | so that it's not "dead code" :D |
| 03:28.39 | cbreak | because the function is not used. ever. |
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| 03:28.43 | Cralor` | yea |
| 03:28.52 | cbreak | well, you don't have to do it that way. I do. |
| 03:29.05 | Cralor` | i have it taht way, tho :D |
| 03:29.07 | cbreak | you can put your load code at the end instead |
| 03:29.21 | cbreak | (instead of at the beginning as in your paste) |
| 03:29.32 | cbreak | I put it at the start because that's where it makes sense to be |
| 03:29.32 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. |
| 03:29.39 | NightHawkTheSane | I feel like im going to be short quests in icecrown >< |
| 03:29.42 | Cralor` | i will go test this. i will be able to figure it out |
| 03:29.45 | cbreak | (inside a function) |
| 03:31.26 | Amarande | are there enough quests in icecrown yet? |
| 03:31.42 | Amarande | I suspect there's still quite a lot that aren't in yet, since icecrown citadel won't be available for a while |
| 03:31.52 | cbreak | enough? |
| 03:31.57 | cbreak | for the achievement you mean? |
| 03:32.26 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: that's what i'm referring to |
| 03:33.16 | NightHawkTheSane | im at 118/140, counting the group quests im on and the followups i know about, that's still only 133 >< |
| 03:33.45 | cbreak | a guild member of me ran out of quests in zul'drak |
| 03:33.58 | cbreak | he did every quest there was, and was one short |
| 03:34.06 | cbreak | no idea how he managed that |
| 03:34.12 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i can say for sure he missed some, then :p |
| 03:35.04 | Dewin | What's the location of the 'correct' folder to install addons in on Vista if WoW is installed in program files? |
| 03:35.12 | Dewin | Trying to help someone who has Vista, and I don't have it. |
| 03:35.25 | Amarande | cbreak: yeah, for the achievement |
| 03:36.02 | cbreak | maybe somewhere in your profile? :/ don't have windows either |
| 03:36.27 | cbreak | I would search for the default blizzard addons |
| 03:36.28 | Dewin | and of course, searching the forums for 'vista' finds zero results. |
| 03:36.34 | Dewin | Oh, that might work |
| 03:36.36 | cbreak | and just put it into the same folder |
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| 04:09.56 | Lothaer | hey guys |
| 04:11.03 | Lothaer | hey Kaelten and Cairenn, where does Curse and WoWI stand on compilations? |
| 04:12.23 | Corrodias | i know a number of us think they're awfully silly things, but i can't speak for the sites themselves |
| 04:12.33 | Corrodias | in which i am not involved in any way |
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| 04:14.06 | Lothaer | i understand that lol and yeah imo compilations take away downloads from the mods they contain and most players have no idea what each mod does. |
| 04:14.45 | Corrodias | i can't understand the motivation behind downloading somebody else's collection of addons |
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| 04:15.22 | ReAn | Lothaer: The Modding Community is mixed on the subject |
| 04:15.33 | ReAn | Mod Packs perpetuate problems with old addons. |
| 04:15.45 | ReAn | However, they take the time out of configuring each one individually. |
| 04:16.00 | cbreak | compilations are a useless, redundant piece of infrastructure |
| 04:16.10 | cbreak | they are the lesser sibling of favorite lists |
| 04:16.16 | ReAn | Curse(forge) banned them, and i believe are working on a way of implementing them in a more logical fassion |
| 04:16.19 | Lothaer | hows thay, most packs are just a bunch of mods thrown together and the user has to set them up anyway |
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| 04:16.52 | ReAn | iirc wowi still allows them |
| 04:17.06 | Lothaer | yeah im thinking of putting it forward to the wowui devs to not allow compilations |
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| 04:19.07 | mikma | i just whined about ui compilations elsewhere :I |
| 04:20.43 | ReAn | I can understand thier appeal, since a lot of my friends are a bit sheepish. They like the one-click install & configuration. However, personally I detest them, and do not approve of my own mods being included in any. |
| 04:21.11 | Corrodias | they clutter the WoWI "recently updated addons" list, or at least they did back when i played |
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| 04:22.11 | Shirik | Corrodias: They aren't supposed to be in there |
| 04:22.12 | Shirik | are they? |
| 04:22.26 | ZorbaBeta | I don't think there's a problem with them, personally, as long as they don't spam recently-updated lists and are implemented sanely |
| 04:22.57 | Corrodias | back when i played, they were. maybe not by the time i quit. that was many months ago, though. |
| 04:23.58 | Corrodias | let's see, my last version was 2.4 |
| 04:24.29 | Thrae | Hmmm, what's a good test of CPU speed... |
| 04:24.34 | Corrodias | middle of may |
| 04:25.23 | Wobin | Thrae: terminal velocity? |
| 04:26.38 | Thrae | Wobin: Not that type of speed |
| 04:27.25 | ZorbaBeta | haha, I love little glimpses into WoW development and evolution |
| 04:27.27 | ZorbaBeta | UNIT_SKINNABLE_ROCK = "Requires Mining"; -- The unit is a dead creature which can be skinned for its rock |
| 04:27.27 | Wobin | Thrae: percentage of cut of draino? |
| 04:27.37 | ZorbaBeta | that one line says *so much* |
| 04:29.50 | Lothaer | lol Skinned for its rock |
| 04:29.53 | Lothaer | GG BLizz |
| 04:30.08 | Wobin | You've never done that? |
| 04:30.10 | Lothaer | so who here plays DKs? |
| 04:30.27 | Lothaer | u use any decent mods? |
| 04:30.36 | Wobin | MagicRunes |
| 04:30.41 | Wobin | (I think it's called) |
| 04:30.56 | Lothaer | yeah i use that too i also use ComeHere and Servent of Arthas |
| 04:31.07 | Corrodias | nobody has any decent addons |
| 04:31.09 | Wobin | what's Servant of Arthas do? |
| 04:31.16 | Wobin | We don't really need much |
| 04:31.26 | Wobin | not anything specific, really |
| 04:31.27 | Lothaer | plays sounds for certain procs/spells |
| 04:31.36 | Corrodias | there are creatures that can be mined after death |
| 04:31.39 | Wobin | aside from the rune thing |
| 04:31.45 | Wobin | all stone elementals |
| 04:31.52 | Corrodias | were we all aware of that and just laughing at the "for its rock" part? |
| 04:31.54 | Wobin | like the collossus |
| 04:32.04 | Wobin | I assume so =P |
| 04:32.05 | Lothaer | ComeHere does the same thing but only for Death Grip, ill give ya 2 quesses what the sounds are but ull only need one :D |
| 04:32.12 | Wobin | yeah, I know that one =) |
| 04:32.13 | ZorbaBeta | corrodias, as near as I can tell the text is identical to what you get for mining targets as well |
| 04:32.20 | Lothaer | <--- Author of ComeHere |
| 04:32.41 | ZorbaBeta | at least, it certainly is on enUS, and I haven't found the mining-target "Requires Mining" text anywhere else |
| 04:32.45 | Wobin | Not "GetOverHere"? Or is that another one? |
| 04:32.50 | Lothaer | yeah |
| 04:33.04 | Lothaer | it also plays "Come Here" and "Come to Daddy, Come Here" |
| 04:33.10 | Wobin | creepy =P |
| 04:33.14 | Corrodias | mmm |
| 04:33.25 | Lothaer | there just one problem with SoA though |
| 04:33.33 | Lothaer | the Sudden Doom proc dosnt work |
| 04:33.39 | Lothaer | and i cant figure out why |
| 04:34.18 | Wobin | There are some times when Shadow of Death doesn't proc |
| 04:34.23 | Wobin | and that makes me a sad tauren |
| 04:34.33 | Wobin | (god knows why it doesn't...) |
| 04:34.55 | Lothaer | Shadow of Death? |
| 04:35.01 | Lothaer | with SoA? |
| 04:35.01 | Wobin | unholy talent |
| 04:35.09 | Wobin | that brings you back as a ghoul |
| 04:35.13 | Lothaer | ahhh |
| 04:35.14 | Lothaer | yeah |
| 04:35.21 | Lothaer | im blood i was unholy for a bit though |
| 04:35.21 | Wobin | Best DK talent -ever- |
| 04:35.33 | Wobin | I've not paid over a gold in repairs since I specced into that =P |
| 04:35.34 | Lothaer | Corpse Explosion is sooo fun |
| 04:35.38 | Codayus_ | Wobin: It doesn't from falling damage, I know. Seems to when a mob straight up kills me... |
| 04:35.53 | Wobin | Codayus_: I've had it not proc multiple times in an instance |
| 04:36.09 | Lothaer | i think u need to reinstall lol |
| 04:36.09 | Codayus_ | And yes, I can't believe they essentially gave DKs a 1 point "no repair bills" talent. >.> |
| 04:36.15 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 04:36.21 | Codayus_ | It's great! |
| 04:36.21 | Wobin | best talent EVER |
| 04:36.28 | ZorbaBeta | may as well ask this here - anyone know a way to determine if the user is mouseover'ing on a world object, like a mining node or a quest object? best I've found is to hook the tooltip, but it seems difficult to filter out some other non-world-object tooltips |
| 04:36.34 | Wobin | ZorbaBeta: Nyet |
| 04:36.43 | ZorbaBeta | worth a try. :) |
| 04:37.01 | Wobin | I've always wanted to hook into that to show mining/herb levels you have |
| 04:37.04 | Codayus_ | Hmm, could you track the cursor change? |
| 04:37.09 | Lothaer | which reminds me i need to remove my Glyph of Corpse Explosion as i nolonger have that spell :D |
| 04:37.14 | Wobin | Codayus_: not afaik |
| 04:37.14 | ZorbaBeta | codayus, I haven't found any way to determine the current cursor |
| 04:37.37 | Wobin | Although, I admit, my knowledge may be old, it's been a while since I tried doing that |
| 04:37.39 | Codayus_ | Meh. Plus, of course, plenty of quest items don't change the cursor (although perhaps you only care about the ones that do...) |
| 04:39.07 | Wobin | I'm loving unholy |
| 04:39.15 | Wobin | but I keep thinking I should spec blood, just to try it |
| 04:39.25 | Codayus_ | I keep planning on speccing blood and frost to see how they are. |
| 04:39.29 | Wobin | but the shiny shiny numbers are so tempting to keep =( |
| 04:39.30 | Codayus_ | ...maybe after I hit 80. |
| 04:39.42 | Codayus_ | I understand Frost actually has bigger numbers... |
| 04:39.51 | Wobin | maybe for single target |
| 04:40.12 | Codayus_ | Which must be fun, my scourge strike hits like a truck alredy. :) |
| 04:40.12 | Wobin | but it's not like single target is ever going to be the way of any instance in the near future =P |
| 04:40.19 | Codayus_ | Yeah |
| 04:40.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: it is for most bosses.. |
| 04:40.49 | Wobin | True, but if I'm tanking... |
| 04:40.55 | Wobin | all that matters is aggro |
| 04:40.59 | NightHawkTheSane | .. if you're tanking bosses. :P |
| 04:41.13 | NightHawkTheSane | but, that said, frost has more AoE than blood |
| 04:41.30 | Wobin | blood appears to me, to be the solo questing tree |
| 04:41.51 | NightHawkTheSane | honestly, they're all reasonably good for just about everything |
| 04:41.58 | ZorbaBeta | hah. UNITNAME_SUMMON_TITLE10 = "%s's Mount"; -- For when we want to lie about what vehicles are. :) |
| 04:42.02 | Wobin | although |
| 04:42.02 | ZorbaBeta | there's some awesome in this file |
| 04:42.03 | NightHawkTheSane | people who try and pin a tree down to a specific role are kind of missing that point :p |
| 04:42.13 | Wobin | It's really really hard to find effective DKs =P |
| 04:42.13 | Codayus_ | Mmm, but DKs get such a good self-heal with death strike, I wonder what blood must be like. Oo |
| 04:42.35 | Wobin | I'm 65 |
| 04:42.59 | Wobin | at the moment, and just about every DK I've played with are mostly riding on the current OP of the class |
| 04:43.18 | Wobin | they're not actually playing the class to the extent that it can be done |
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| 04:43.39 | Wobin | or at least I end up doing a whole lot more damage than anyone else, whether I'm tanking or not |
| 04:44.26 | Codayus_ | Well, to be fair, the people you group with at 65 who aren't DKs are mostly an odd bunch; most people who were playing when Wrath came out are in Northrend now... |
| 04:44.52 | Wobin | I'm talking about the DKs though =) |
| 04:44.55 | Codayus_ | So you see a lot of people returning, old alts, very casual people just now hitting 60... |
| 04:44.59 | Codayus_ | Oh, well, that's another story. |
| 04:45.16 | Codayus_ | Actually, I found general chat in the DK starting zone incredibly depressing right after launch. |
| 04:45.20 | Wobin | It's a surprise to have more than one nonDK in any party recently =\ |
| 04:45.28 | Codayus_ | I don't understand how many of them even hit 55 on their first char... |
| 04:45.55 | Wobin | I was LFM, and had the opportunity to spriuk that we actually had a hunter in our group! |
| 04:46.12 | smcn | Codayus_: one word: hunter |
| 04:46.15 | Codayus_ | Nobody read the quest, many couldn't find the quest target, some couldn't even find their way back to the quest GIVER... |
| 04:46.25 | Wobin | Codayus_: oh god. I was grouped with a 70 warrior |
| 04:46.32 | Wobin | Who clearly was an ebay toon |
| 04:46.46 | Wobin | "What are those things you make when you disenchant something?" |
| 04:46.47 | ccox | Wobin - been there, ditched that |
| 04:47.06 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 04:47.19 | Wobin | Codayus_: people are too dependant now on the quest addons =) |
| 04:47.29 | ZorbaBeta | wobin, I honestly cannot argue with you on that point :P |
| 04:47.45 | ccox | I had one 70 warrior who didn't know how to tank a single target, and wanted to tank a heroic instance |
| 04:48.00 | Corrodias | why would he even want to do that? |
| 04:48.10 | Wobin | I admit, I went running to wowhead when I encountered the Mankirk's Wife of HFP |
| 04:48.20 | ccox | after the third wipe, my network connector fell out of the wall |
| 04:48.20 | Wobin | cause wtf? |
| 04:48.32 | Codayus_ | Hmm? |
| 04:48.40 | Codayus_ | ccox: Heh |
| 04:48.43 | Wobin | Horde quest: The Assassin |
| 04:48.54 | Codayus_ | Not familiar with it. I'm Alliance scum, I fear. |
| 04:49.11 | Wobin | Quest info: "Find this assassin we've figured out on the north road of HFP!" |
| 04:49.27 | Wobin | translation: "He's actually a corpse off the road, out of sight in a ravine" |
| 04:49.38 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 04:49.43 | ccox | And it's an important quest chain! |
| 04:49.49 | Wobin | so true =( |
| 04:49.57 | ccox | (just did that one on my DK) |
| 04:49.57 | Wobin | but such a terrible quest |
| 04:50.17 | ccox | yes, poor design on that one |
| 04:50.23 | Wobin | I spent so much time killing the orcs north of the road, hoping the assassin would spawn |
| 04:50.30 | ccox | whereas someone put SOOO much work into "shiz work" |
| 04:51.24 | Wobin | hehe that's better than the original FiFi alliance side one |
| 04:51.36 | Wobin | where you had to spend a fortune on a dog biscuit |
| 04:51.44 | Wobin | then follow a dog around HH for ages |
| 04:52.14 | Codayus_ | It wasn't that bad... ....well...apart from the bit where other people opening the dirt pile would bug the quest... |
| 04:52.28 | Codayus_ | Okay, it was. |
| 04:53.02 | Codayus_ | Although speaking of annoying quests, the most annoying one I've run across recently is the DK newbie zone one where you kill one of the prisoners in the barracks. |
| 04:53.59 | Codayus_ | Only the person named in the dialog gets credit, AND only if they get the killing blow. And when it resets it just picks the next person to run up...not someone already there. |
| 04:54.15 | Codayus_ | Combine with a dozen nub DKs standing around, and it was a disaster. >.< |
| 04:54.36 | Wobin | I must have timed that one well |
| 04:54.42 | Wobin | cause I don't recall having too much trouble |
| 04:54.57 | Codayus_ | At least usually when someone ninjas a quest mob they at least get credit and wander off so if you wait long enough you'll be fine. |
| 04:55.06 | Wobin | I think the quest that had the most issues in the DK starting area was the all-seeing-eye one |
| 04:55.12 | Wobin | cause no-one realised there was a pet bar |
| 04:55.39 | Codayus_ | Here, if someone ninjas the quest mob, nobody gets credit, so they just stand around waiting to ninja the next spawn, which will never be theirs, because they never leave. |
| 04:55.48 | malreth | grand theft palomino |
| 04:55.55 | Wobin | although, I wish I'd picked up more of those potions |
| 04:55.58 | malreth | "how 2 turn in horse???" |
| 04:56.11 | Wobin | malreth: that actually wasn't too straighforward =) |
| 04:56.20 | Codayus_ | Heh, grand theft palomino confused me because I didn't have my vehicle bar configured right. So I didn't HAVE a "turn in" button. >.> |
| 04:56.29 | Wobin | I actually jumped off the horse accidentally as soon as I mounted |
| 04:56.34 | Wobin | So I had to go kill him again |
| 04:56.34 | Codayus_ | Not Blizzards fault there. :) |
| 04:57.10 | malreth | yeah it is... it could have completed the quest by just getting within 5 or 10 yds of the guy |
| 04:57.31 | Wobin | You have to dismount, don't you? |
| 04:57.44 | Wobin | Cause I don't remember it automatically working |
| 04:58.09 | malreth | they should have made the quest recursive instead. |
| 04:58.14 | ccox | well, for a while the vehicle bar wasn't even drawing correctly - so you had to guess which button would turn it in |
| 04:58.16 | Codayus_ | Well, yeah. But it is a vehicle, so you do have to get out... |
| 04:58.35 | Wobin | recursive? |
| 04:58.48 | Wobin | PS, Giant tauren on tiny palamino = win |
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| 05:00.45 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 05:02.06 | malreth | IRIEL |
| 05:02.28 | malreth | no, you can't hide |
| 05:03.11 | Iriel | I can try! |
| 05:03.41 | malreth | no, I EXPECT YOU TO DIE! |
| 05:03.47 | malreth | oh... wait... wrong line |
| 05:04.18 | Shirik | Iriel: You can /nick Shirik |
| 05:04.24 | Shirik | that way you can hide and nobody will want to talk to you |
| 05:04.25 | Shirik | it's perfect! |
| 05:05.04 | Iriel | but then everyone will expect me to explain in detail doing something silly |
| 05:05.17 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:06.08 | Amarande | yeah, I have 22 skulls sitting now-uselessly in my bank |
| 05:06.12 | Amarande | I keep forgetting to get rid of them |
| 05:06.40 | Amarande | of course, the moment I get rid of them will be the day they come out with a patch that lets you get more potions :| |
| 05:07.09 | Shirik | anyone use Thunderbird? Is it good? I used to use it a while ago; it was ok |
| 05:07.18 | Amarande | Thunderbird is win and awesome |
| 05:07.37 | Amarande | and let's remember the one great truism of liquid-filled balls made in China |
| 05:07.42 | Amarande | "Outlook Not So Good" |
| 05:07.46 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:08.00 | Shirik | I was looking at some viral code the other day. There was a comment at the top that I chuckled at |
| 05:08.04 | Shirik | "Make in China" |
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| 05:09.59 | malreth | > but then everyone will expect me to explain in detail doing something silly |
| 05:10.04 | malreth | s/silly/boring/ |
| 05:24.34 | Codayus_ | Mmm, not too impressed with Thunderbird. |
| 05:24.43 | Codayus_ | But then, it's a mail client. |
| 05:24.44 | Codayus_ | It works. |
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| 05:24.47 | Codayus_ | *shrug* |
| 05:25.35 | Sixen | *sigh& |
| 05:25.51 | Sixen | People posting on the Forums as Sixen now because they named an item after me and put me into that Death Knights book. |
| 05:25.51 | Sixen | :( |
| 05:26.08 | Wobin | You're no longer original =( |
| 05:26.12 | Sixen | :( |
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| 05:31.28 | ReAn | Sixen |
| 05:31.32 | Sixen | Yes'm? |
| 05:31.43 | ReAn | i never used to have a problem securing my nickname |
| 05:31.49 | ReAn | for a 4-letter nick, that's pretty rare |
| 05:31.52 | Sixen | :p |
| 05:32.00 | ReAn | then some jackasses made an anime called "Wings of rean" |
| 05:32.04 | ReAn | now it's a bitch |
| 05:32.21 | ReAn | and everyone thinks thats where my nick came from |
| 05:32.22 | ReAn | :/ |
| 05:32.45 | Arrowmaster | i tend to have issues with mine too |
| 05:34.10 | ReAn | yours is the concatination of two english words, not to knock your name, but it's kind of a cliche paradigm to making a name |
| 05:34.17 | ReAn | im not suprized |
| 05:34.31 | Arrowmaster | yeah ive been using it since i was 12 |
| 05:34.33 | ReAn | at least it's not 'adjective noun' ~_^ |
| 05:34.38 | ReAn | :D |
| 05:34.40 | Sixen | =| |
| 05:34.40 | ReAn | i hear ya |
| 05:34.49 | ReAn | my name is even worse tho, but nobody would know |
| 05:34.51 | Arrowmaster | which is the only reason i havent changed it |
| 05:34.56 | ReAn | (it's an annogram) |
| 05:35.05 | mikma | rean: rename yourself to ReAr |
| 05:35.13 | Arrowmaster | and everybody just calls me arrow anyway |
| 05:35.14 | ReAn | lol |
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| 05:35.20 | ReAn | nobody calls you AM? |
| 05:35.25 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:36.05 | Arrowmaster | but arrow is even worse, i doubt theres a realm i could get the charname arrow on |
| 05:36.37 | ReAn | you'd have to nab it right away on a fresh realm |
| 05:36.50 | Wobin | ReAn: Near Aner Rean anre aner |
| 05:37.02 | ReAn | i have "Guildbank" on Doomhammer |
| 05:37.10 | ReAn | Wobin: my real name is "Aren" |
| 05:37.21 | Wobin | the one combination I didn't get =P |
| 05:37.27 | ReAn | :p |
| 05:37.38 | Wobin | I name my bank alts Escrow |
| 05:37.42 | Wobin | or Fiduciary |
| 05:37.58 | Arrowmaster | my bank alts guild is <Banker> |
| 05:38.09 | Wobin | <Caymen Island Associates> |
| 05:38.11 | ReAn | my bank alt is "Nottafarmer" |
| 05:48.56 | ReAn | *sigh* |
| 05:49.00 | ReAn | i have to localize my mod :/ |
| 05:50.30 | NightHawkTheSane | "Druid – we are adding Swipe (Cat) as a baseline ability." :o |
| 05:50.39 | ReAn | yep |
| 05:58.52 | Codayus_ | My bank alts (on different servers) are named Keynes, Friedman, and Hayek. |
| 05:59.25 | ReAn | well i just have a bank-guild w/ a bank tab |
| 06:00.18 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: link? |
| 06:00.36 | ReAn | wotlkwiki.info has a link |
| 06:00.43 | Shirik | I refuse to go to that site |
| 06:01.22 | ReAn | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/12891294995-upcoming-ae-dps-changes.html |
| 06:01.27 | ReAn | lol |
| 06:01.31 | Shirik | thanks |
| 06:01.35 | ReAn | you refuse to go to wotlkwiki? why? |
| 06:01.47 | Shirik | that's a long-since dead horse that I'm not going to bring up now |
| 06:01.54 | ReAn | i see |
| 06:02.05 | Tekkub | he's a dick, that's why |
| 06:02.17 | ReAn | who Chaud? |
| 06:02.32 | Tekkub | no Shirik |
| 06:02.42 | ReAn | ah |
| 06:02.53 | Shirik | yeah |
| 06:03.01 | Shirik | I'm the kind of guy that will be scared of you because you think they'll beat you up |
| 06:03.14 | Shirik | er |
| 06:03.21 | Shirik | I think I said that backwards |
| 06:03.22 | Shirik | doesn't matter |
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| 06:11.38 | Ycarene | Anybody know what might cause questhelper to display a corrupted square in the middle of the screen? |
| 06:12.52 | mikma | yes, your hdd is breaking up |
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| 06:13.16 | Ycarene | Other than that... |
| 06:13.52 | mikma | someone has sent you wacky data |
| 06:14.16 | Ycarene | Ahh, nevermind, its because I logged-in in dalaran. Once I flew out, it fixed itself. |
| 06:14.16 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a scheduled maintenance. Please note that all European realms will be offline from 05:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CEST).. |
| 06:14.16 | Shiibot | Some realms will be undergoing extended maintenance. The following realms will be offline from 3:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CEST): Alonsus, Anachronos, Bronze Dragonflight, Burning Steppes, Darkmoon Faire, Darkspear, Kor'gall, Lightbringer, Molten Core. |
| 06:14.16 | Shiibot | Thank you for your patience and understanding.. . Arena Season 4 and item purchase |
| 06:15.33 | ZorbaBeta | ycarene, there seem to be display bugs with Cartographer and/or Tomtom's arrows. Questhelper doesn't actually have an arrow of its own (I assume it's the directional arrow you're talking about) |
| 06:15.57 | Ycarene | I was thinking that |
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| 06:16.17 | Ycarene | Its a minor glitch, goes away once I start flying somewhere. |
| 06:16.35 | Ycarene | Not gonna worry about it anymore |
| 06:16.46 | ZorbaBeta | I've heard it's recurring, but also cosmetic, so, hey |
| 06:20.59 | Arrowmaster | if its in cartographer2 nobody cares |
| 06:21.12 | mikma | lulz |
| 06:22.28 | Ycarene | Wonder if there'd be any repercussions for forming a large group and blocking an instance portal. |
| 06:22.53 | Wobin | people would hate you? |
| 06:23.01 | Wobin | and how do you block it? |
| 06:23.04 | ZorbaBeta | how would you block it? can't you just, you know, walk through other players for exactly this reason? |
| 06:23.08 | Ycarene | I'm not worried about what people think of me |
| 06:23.22 | Ycarene | I mean with pvp against members of the oppposite faction. |
| 06:23.34 | Arrowmaster | you havent played wow very long have you |
| 06:23.38 | Wobin | You can still run through them? |
| 06:23.42 | Wobin | It's not WAR =P |
| 06:23.43 | mikma | afaik, wow doesnt have collision ;) |
| 06:23.51 | Arrowmaster | theres this place called blackrock mountain |
| 06:23.53 | ZorbaBeta | oh, I doubt it. If they didn't ban anyone for the halloween instance portal, they wouldn't in general |
| 06:24.02 | ZorbaBeta | at worst you can kill them, then they just res 40 yards closer (or whatever) |
| 06:24.04 | Ycarene | Its not collision, its killing the members of the opposite faction before the can enter the portal. |
| 06:24.05 | Wobin | haloween instance portal? |
| 06:24.07 | ZorbaBeta | it only takes a few resses to get through. |
| 06:24.14 | ZorbaBeta | wobin, yeah, scarlet monastery |
| 06:24.19 | Wobin | ah |
| 06:24.27 | ZorbaBeta | the scarlet cathedral was a carpet of Alliance corpses :P |
| 06:24.30 | Wobin | It's easy enough to res and run through |
| 06:24.31 | Arrowmaster | pvp server, they wont do a thing at all |
| 06:24.43 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I did that more than a few times |
| 06:24.46 | Wobin | unless you maintain a constant aoe |
| 06:24.56 | Wobin | you won't be able to kill them in that fraction of a second |
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| 06:25.04 | Ycarene | Is it an asshole thing to do? Yeah, but I'd like, for once, to make the horde as miserable as they've made me. |
| 06:25.09 | Lothaer | hey is it possible to make Prat hide on combat? |
| 06:25.12 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-33-83.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 06:25.14 | Wobin | so you'll lower yourself to their level? =P |
| 06:25.15 | ZorbaBeta | occasionally leaving four less intelligent party members in the dust as they try to fight their way through for some idiotic reason |
| 06:25.37 | ZorbaBeta | wobin, "stupid alliance, always camping our instances. we should camp theirs in retaliation, show those kiddies what it's like" |
| 06:25.40 | ZorbaBeta | and the cycle continues! |
| 06:26.18 | Wobin | yeah |
| 06:26.57 | Ycarene | Better than dying over and over trying to do some horrible quest. |
| 06:27.28 | Lothaer | its the other way around on SB |
| 06:27.54 | Lothaer | on SB its 1 Alliance - 7 Horde |
| 06:28.19 | ZorbaBeta | I never trust those numbers |
| 06:28.28 | ZorbaBeta | people on my server claim it's 1 to 10, but no fucking way is it 1 to 10 |
| 06:29.02 | ZorbaBeta | I wish we weren't one of the free transfer servers though :( |
| 06:45.18 | Tekkub | <OnMouseWheel> |
| 06:45.18 | Tekkub | return; |
| 06:45.18 | Tekkub | </OnMouseWheel> |
| 06:45.23 | Tekkub | Blizzy wins! |
| 06:46.50 | Tekkub | and as bonus, they never register the frame for mousewheel |
| 06:47.32 | AnduinLothar | which is that for? |
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| 06:48.04 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=smbc&i=502 |
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| 06:54.29 | jaxdahl2 | if i create a frame in a macro is there any way to destroy the frame and unregister its events in a subsequent macro? |
| 06:54.50 | Tekkub | no |
| 06:55.17 | jaxdahl2 | hm. sure? |
| 06:55.24 | Tekkub | yes |
| 06:55.37 | jaxdahl2 | maybe just the second part |
| 06:55.41 | jaxdahl2 | i think that worked.. |
| 06:55.52 | Tekkub | frame:UnregisterAllEvents() |
| 06:55.54 | jaxdahl2 | did /run pg:UnregisterAllEvents() |
| 06:56.02 | jaxdahl2 | not sure why that didn't work the first time around |
| 06:56.21 | jaxdahl2 | maybe because i did /run pg=nil |
| 06:57.42 | mikma | would be cool if you could destroy frames, but meh |
| 06:57.48 | jaxdahl2 | then if i want to re-register the event, pg:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_GUILD");, is that sufficient, or do i have to re-do the function as well? |
| 06:58.04 | jaxdahl2 | function pg:CHAT_MSG_GUILD(m,s,...) if strfind(string.lower(m),'permagroup') then GuildUninvite(s) end end |
| 06:59.15 | mikma | afaik, re-registering will do just fine |
| 06:59.31 | Tekkub | unless you erased the frame's OnEvent handler |
| 07:02.23 | Lothaer | sup tek |
| 07:02.39 | jaxdahl2 | ok, that seems to be sufficient mikma |
| 07:02.40 | jaxdahl2 | thanks |
| 07:02.57 | Tekkub | brainpain |
| 07:03.11 | Tekkub | and some general achyness all over, methinks I'm getting sick |
| 07:03.17 | Tekkub | been this way all week |
| 07:03.32 | Lothaer | is there a option to get prat to the chatlog to hide on combat in prat? |
| 07:03.37 | mikma | jaxdahl2: tek helped you more than me :/ |
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| 07:08.28 | Thunder_Child | ~soothe Tekkub |
| 07:08.29 | purl | ACTION exerts a calming influence on Tekkub |
| 07:08.49 | Tekkub | fuck off purl |
| 07:08.57 | Thunder_Child | ~heal Tekkub |
| 07:08.58 | purl | ACTION heals Tekkub with Super Cow Powers. |
| 07:09.02 | Thunder_Child | ~cure Tekkub |
| 07:09.03 | purl | ACTION pulls out a needle and syringe, then under the very loud protesting of Tekkub, does not use the syringe and just calls 911 instead. |
| 07:09.15 | Thunder_Child | ~fix Tekkub |
| 07:09.16 | purl | ACTION opens the hood of Tekkub , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." |
| 07:09.33 | Thunder_Child | ok...i do not want to see under Tekkub's hood |
| 07:10.04 | Tekkub | why? |
| 07:10.08 | Tekkub | it's just this: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/failure_panda.jpg |
| 07:10.32 | Thunder_Child | you have a panda and slide under your hood? |
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| 07:11.05 | Tekkub | you won't know if you don't look |
| 07:11.48 | bcsbcs | Greetings, could someone possibly advise me how best to generate your e |
| 07:11.52 | Lothaer | ~neuter Tekkun |
| 07:11.56 | Lothaer | DAMN' |
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| 07:12.39 | bcsbcs | Greetings, could someone possibly advise me how best to generate your events in wow lua as opposed to the wow client generated events... |
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| 07:13.27 | Arrowmaster | you cant generate events |
| 07:13.53 | Tekkub | use a library to pass "messages", or just use your own callbacks |
| 07:14.45 | mikma | well, you can make functions which return crap when something happens |
| 07:14.54 | bcsbcs | such as ace-event? |
| 07:15.02 | mikma | but thats propably not the desired result |
| 07:15.13 | Tekkub | yes, AceEvent |
| 07:15.13 | mikma | what are you wanting to do? |
| 07:15.20 | Arrowmaster | callbackhandler-1.0 |
| 07:15.38 | Tekkub | AceEvent is basically a loose wrapper around CBH |
| 07:15.49 | Arrowmaster | AceEvent-3.0 |
| 07:16.02 | Tekkub | yea don't use 2 :P |
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| 07:16.54 | bcsbcs | I have a very basic addon that allows me to automatically invite my wifes characters whenever she logs in and out but it works on the onupdate and i prefer it didnt keep running after grouping so i wanted a way to turn it on and off at will |
| 07:17.21 | mikma | aint there an event for friendlist update |
| 07:17.21 | Tekkub | hide the frame, the onupdate doesn't run |
| 07:17.39 | Tekkub | she logs in, show the frame, x second later send the invite and hide the frame |
| 07:18.03 | bcsbcs | then make another event that only triggers when she logs out? |
| 07:18.12 | Tekkub | I can make that addon in... 4 lines of code! |
| 07:18.13 | bcsbcs | to turn it back on? |
| 07:18.23 | Tekkub | you don't have to |
| 07:18.26 | mikma | tekkub: DRYCODE IT! |
| 07:18.31 | Tekkub | you just trigger whenever she logs in |
| 07:18.50 | mikma | people here are saying you are the only person who can drycode functional code |
| 07:19.17 | bcsbcs | sorry but im not sure what that means |
| 07:21.39 | mikma | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/FRIENDLIST_UPDATE |
| 07:22.28 | bcsbcs | thanks, thats what im using to trigger now |
| 07:22.49 | bcsbcs | not seen that site before so thanks too |
| 07:22.49 | Gngsk | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED |
| 07:23.04 | mikma | its the wowbible! |
| 07:23.24 | Gngsk | don't you mean wowprogramming bible? |
| 07:23.31 | Tekkub | http://gist.github.com/29318 |
| 07:23.36 | Tekkub | 14 lines :P |
| 07:23.59 | Tekkub | oh, should probably hide on load too, 15 lines |
| 07:24.14 | Tekkub | reload that gist |
| 07:24.16 | bcsbcs | ahh... im awaiting the book for xmas so perhaps ill sit tight till i get it. |
| 07:24.44 | mikma | ~wowbible |
| 07:24.44 | purl | i heard wowbible is http://wowprogramming.com/docs |
| 07:25.01 | bcsbcs | thanks tekkub |
| 07:25.32 | Tekkub | I have no idea if InvitePlayer is a real function of course, and it might be protected, but probably not |
| 07:26.16 | bcsbcs | nope it works fine or at least i have that part working now its lets say a little streamlined with your code :) |
| 07:26.48 | Arrowmaster | !api invite |
| 07:26.49 | lua_bot | Found 27 possible matches for 'invite'. Please be more specific |
| 07:26.53 | Arrowmaster | !api invitebyname |
| 07:26.54 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'invitebyname': ArenaTeamUninviteByName, ArenaTeamInviteByName |
| 07:27.03 | Arrowmaster | !api inviteunit |
| 07:27.04 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'inviteunit': UninviteUnit, InviteUnit |
| 07:27.43 | Arrowmaster | its InviteUnit() |
| 07:27.43 | Tem | Brewtality |
| 07:27.43 | Tem | awesome name for a dwarf DK |
| 07:27.45 | mikma | hah |
| 07:27.59 | Tekkub | I saw a cow named Udderdeath |
| 07:28.01 | mikma | i love my gnomes name! Oe |
| 07:28.17 | mikma | thats what you say when you see a gnome female dk |
| 07:28.45 | Tekkub | vowels aren't words! |
| 07:29.11 | Gngsk | who needs vowels? |
| 07:30.27 | Tekkub | I want to make a tuskarr so I can name him Hyneman |
| 07:30.49 | mikma | lol |
| 07:31.12 | mikma | tekkub: get the underbelly elix(i/e)rs |
| 07:31.22 | Tekkub | grrrrRAWR! |
| 07:31.37 | mikma | it can turn you into a tuskarr and increases fishing by 50 =D |
| 07:32.59 | Tekkub | yea I know |
| 07:33.25 | Tekkub | it's still a lot to name a toon that and level him to dalaran access just for that |
| 07:33.52 | Arrowmaster | get a summon or portal |
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| 07:34.51 | mikma | but, needs a dwarf names Savage next to him |
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| 07:43.25 | Tekkub | http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ ... Your Use Of Bad Title Case Proves You're Not A "Smart People" Either... |
| 07:44.41 | Cairenn | Lothaer: pong |
| 07:46.26 | Cairenn | Lothaer: you need to register your nick :p |
| 07:46.38 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.34 | Cairenn | errr, nickserv rather |
| 07:48.03 | Tem | wow |
| 07:48.09 | Tem | this is an impressive stat |
| 07:48.13 | Tem | Total Deaths: 5 |
| 07:48.18 | Tem | Deaths from falling: 4 |
| 07:48.26 | Tem | (my DK is level 67) |
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| 07:48.47 | Tekkub | so you like to fall on pointey widgets and kill yourself, what's your point? |
| 07:49.29 | zenzio | no I don't |
| 07:49.40 | krka | yes you do! |
| 07:49.48 | zenzio | FINE! |
| 07:50.02 | mikma | FIRE! |
| 07:50.28 | Cairenn | file |
| 07:50.47 | Tekkub | I like this stat better: Average gold earned per day: 980.73.12 |
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| 07:52.23 | mikma | should be a place to check out the stats online :( |
| 07:53.15 | Tekkub | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Area+52&n=Cub |
| 07:54.47 | mikma | tekkub: i'm in your profile, checking out your pvp deaths |
| 07:54.56 | Tekkub | I have like 3 |
| 07:55.10 | Tekkub | got em getting my GNERD kills for my hollow title |
| 07:55.11 | Lothaer | hey Cairenn |
| 07:55.22 | Cairenn | how goes? |
| 07:55.26 | Lothaer | yeah ok |
| 07:55.30 | Lothaer | u? |
| 07:55.37 | Tekkub | "Deaths in 3v3: 2" WTF? |
| 07:55.39 | mikma | tekkub: oh you actually did pvp for that one? |
| 07:55.40 | Cairenn | pretty good :) |
| 07:55.42 | Tekkub | I've never been in an arena |
| 07:55.53 | Tekkub | define acctually? |
| 07:56.00 | Cairenn | you see what I said about registering your nick, Lothaer? |
| 07:56.06 | Tekkub | I followed the herd in AV and cast out random heals for 5 min |
| 07:56.07 | Lothaer | nope? |
| 07:56.17 | mikma | tekkub: that'll do :) |
| 07:56.25 | Cairenn | (2008-11-26 02:46:22) Cairenn: Lothaer: you need to register your nick :p |
| 07:56.25 | Cairenn | (2008-11-26 02:46:34) Cairenn: /msg chanserv register [pw] [email addy] |
| 07:56.25 | Cairenn | (2008-11-26 02:47:30) Cairenn: errr, nickserv rather |
| 07:56.42 | Tekkub | it counted AV as 3v3, odd |
| 07:56.45 | mikma | tekkub: i don't see any marks about 3vs3 deaths |
| 07:57.54 | Tekkub | Materials produced from disenchanting |
| 07:57.55 | Tekkub | 8637 |
| 07:58.03 | Tekkub | so milling is DE eh? |
| 07:59.09 | Lothaer | Cierenn: done |
| 07:59.19 | Tekkub | why isn't there gold SPENT on auctions? |
| 07:59.29 | Tekkub | how can I get an accurate cost of goods sold? |
| 07:59.32 | Tekkub | fuckers |
| 08:00.06 | Lothaer | well i g2g2 work :( ill bbl l8r guys and gals |
| 08:00.12 | Cairenn | later Lothaer |
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| 08:00.32 | Tekkub | tater |
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| 08:06.16 | bleeter | scuse |
| 08:06.34 | bleeter | what a great week to start giving up ciggies =)) |
| 08:07.24 | Cairenn | is that why you're being a cranky bitch today luv? |
| 08:08.28 | Tekkub | no that's normal |
| 08:08.53 | Industrial | :P |
| 08:09.12 | Industrial | Tekkub: ExpressMail gives me errors :( |
| 08:09.30 | Tekkub | uh, don't use it, DUH |
| 08:09.36 | bleeter | Cairenn: bleeter by nick, kantankerus by avatar. yup, that's me! :D |
| 08:09.41 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 08:09.57 | bleeter | not too tight please dear, i'm eating! |
| 08:10.09 | bleeter | nomnomnom mmm fresh home made apple pie |
| 08:10.17 | bleeter | with king island cream, of course :D |
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| 08:10.48 | bleeter | oO BISH! |
| 08:10.54 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 08:17.41 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 08:18.00 | bleeter | Cairenn: I'm still having a giggle that the flash ad for the 10 day trial on the 'real' home page throws a clickjacking warning from NoScript |
| 08:18.10 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 08:18.18 | bleeter | not to mention the unsafe form posting error the forums still throw in NoScript from time to time |
| 08:19.08 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:19.47 | bleeter | I'm still unsure what trips the forum error, seems Wall-O-Text is one way.. somehow. |
| 08:20.45 | bleeter | hmm, though.. come to think of it, I kinda got the impression the issue had gone away... before BC and the 'new look' forum. maybe... /shrug |
| 08:21.11 | bleeter | blizz ARE known for stellar regression testing ;) |
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| 08:22.50 | bleeter | god that pie was so good, it's sitting on the end of the kitchen bench tempting me again with it's wanton ways |
| 08:23.02 | bleeter | *the other half is sitting... |
| 08:25.28 | Industrial | mmm pie |
| 08:27.07 | Tekkub | wolvaar are TOTALLY tanukis |
| 08:27.17 | bleeter | I'd think about making another one, 'cept the wallabies keep eating all the fruit so my supply's limited :( |
| 08:27.44 | Fisker- | Due to the high quality of the items attainable through the Archavon encounter in Wintergrasp, we are going to be making some changes. To keep the encounter in line with the rewards, we have changed the Raid Lock from a 3-day to a 7-day timer. Additionally, we have raised Archavon’s hit points, in heroic, to keep the quality of item on par with the challenge of the encounter. |
| 08:27.45 | Fisker- | aww |
| 08:27.46 | Fisker- | :E |
| 08:27.52 | bleeter | and the poor li'l buggers are getting squeeze outta their habitat, so I don't have the heart to kick them outta the yard when they arrive in the middle of the night for their own nomnomnoms |
| 08:29.25 | Cairenn | :( |
| 08:29.58 | bleeter | Cairenn: Useless fact quiz time. Do you know why penguins waddle? |
| 08:30.26 | Cairenn | I have some theories, but no, I don't know for sure why they waddle |
| 08:30.36 | bleeter | they have no knees >< |
| 08:30.57 | Cairenn | heh, okay |
| 08:31.09 | krka | they deevolved knees because it looks cute when they waddle |
| 08:31.17 | bleeter | hah |
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| 08:35.30 | Tekkub | s/stabs/humps/ |
| 08:35.39 | Industrial | * the air gasps, falls down to its knees and looks at Fisker- with a face of disbelief as the last of it's life leaves it's body |
| 08:35.54 | Industrial | (also hi im happy tday) |
| 08:35.57 | Cairenn | Oo |
| 08:37.13 | zenzio | air is not afraid of your puny sharp weapons |
| 08:39.22 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a scheduled maintenance. Please note that all European realms will be offline from 05:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET). |
| 08:39.22 | Shiibot | In addition the European website and forums will not be available during this time. . . Thank you for your patience and understanding.. . . 19/11 FREE MIGRATION. The following free migration is scheduled to last |
| 08:39.22 | Shiibot | until end of Tuesday November 25.. . To the NEW realm named Chamber of Aspects: . Aggramar, Arathor, Aszune, Azjol-Nerub, . Bloodhoof, Doomhammer, Draenor, Emerald Dream, . Hellscream, Nordrassil, Runetotem, Silvermoon. |
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| 09:10.09 | bleeter | Industrial: oh, I totally agree. was just curious about the chinese version number. |
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| 09:21.55 | bleeter | Cairenn: nsfw http://img.moonbuggy.org/dont-fuck-with-the-admins/ |
| 09:22.28 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 09:23.51 | Fisker- | paintball gun is paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaintbaaaaaaal |
| 09:23.52 | Fisker- | l |
| 09:25.14 | bcsbcs | painfull too, went once where biker got hit on forehead and ended up not being able to get his bike helmet back on ... owww |
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| 09:32.41 | mikma | paintball gun, i wish, looks like a airsoft gun |
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| 09:41.38 | bleeter | http://images.plurk.com/36733_e7f482ba81beda85c3717278242ee9a1.jpg |
| 09:41.45 | bleeter | er ^^ nsfw either |
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| 10:07.16 | bleeter | kd3: hmm, I read that F10 contains an X that won't work with current nVidia :( |
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| 10:37.26 | Industrial | ~emulate Industrial |
| 10:37.27 | purl | omgz wat uf in dat ui?!?!1123 |
| 10:37.37 | Industrial | ~literal emulate Industrial |
| 10:37.38 | purl | "emulate industrial" is "<reply> (Ogm teh tpyoas! Mroe ceffein pls!|and now I'm high o/|omgz wat uf in dat ui?!?!1123|Woo, first day at school. Stoned!|It doesnt matter if you win or lose, until you lose.|Mikma says I CBA, guess hes right.|Addon users are addicts.|DIY!|I had camsex with ckknight.)" |
| 10:38.09 | AnduinLothar | wow... |
| 10:38.31 | Industrial | purl: emulate industrial is <reply> (Ogm teh tpyoas! Mroe ceffein pls!|and now I'm high o/|omgz wat uf in dat ui?!?!1123|Woo, first day at school. Stoned!|I had camsex with ckknight.) |
| 10:38.32 | purl | ...but emulate industrial is already something else... |
| 10:38.44 | Industrial | purl, no emulate industrial is <reply> (Ogm teh tpyoas! Mroe ceffein pls!|and now I'm high o/|omgz wat uf in dat ui?!?!1123|Woo, first day at school. Stoned!|I had camsex with ckknight.) |
| 10:38.44 | purl | Industrial: okay |
| 10:38.51 | Industrial | ~emulate Industrial |
| 10:38.51 | purl | omgz wat uf in dat ui?!?!1123 |
| 10:39.10 | Industrial | ~emulate Industrial |
| 10:39.10 | purl | Ogm teh tpyoas! Mroe ceffein pls! |
| 10:39.14 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 10:39.51 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 10:39.52 | purl | Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 10:40.04 | bleeter | hmm, maybe that should be 'waaaaaaaaaaaa' |
| 10:44.01 | abyx | what is the addon called that shows who is ready/notready during ready checks? it just pops up a small frame and shows each person name |
| 10:45.59 | abyx | found it. oRa is what i was looking for |
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| 10:55.27 | ThaGob | anyone got experience with lua in notepad++ ? |
| 10:55.52 | Industrial | ~asktoask |
| 10:55.52 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 10:55.54 | Industrial | :D? |
| 10:59.29 | zenzio | ThaGob: what about it? |
| 11:00.43 | ThaGob | how can i test lua files in notepad++ |
| 11:01.15 | zenzio | test them in what way? |
| 11:03.11 | ThaGob | have installed lua 5.1 and i cant seem to find a "tool" in notepad++ to run the lua files at |
| 11:04.47 | bleeter | Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 11:06.24 | ThaGob | or would you recomend using another editor? have only used EditPlus in the past |
| 11:07.51 | zenzio | I think there's a plugin called NppExec, but I haven't used it myself |
| 11:09.17 | ThaGob | ok, thx |
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| 11:27.07 | mikma | http://nikkor2d2.com/ |
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| 11:38.23 | Kaso | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/pf/98196571.html |
| 11:45.40 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following free migration is scheduled to last . until end of Tuesday November 25.. . To the NEW realm named Chamber of Aspects: . Aggramar, Arathor, Aszune, Azjol-Nerub, . Bloodhoof, Doomhammer, Draenor, Emerald Dream, |
| 11:45.40 | Shiibot | Hellscream, Nordrassil, Runetotem, Silvermoon. . Argent Dawn --> Darkmoon Faire, Steamwheedle . Cartel, The Sha'tar. Al'Akir --> Auchindoun, Bladefist. Burning Legion --> Chromaggus, Xavius. Crushridge --> Ahn'Qiraj, Deathwing |
| 11:45.41 | Shiibot | Drak'thul --> Daggerspine, Dentarg. Frostmane --> Burning Blade, Laughing Skull. Grim Batol --> Genjuros, Vek'nilash. Kazzak --> Bladefist, Karazhan. Magtheridon --> Emeriss, Zenedar. Neptulon --> Dentarg, Shattered Halls |
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| 11:52.15 | Kimmeh | Hey folks |
| 11:53.59 | zenzio | hello |
| 11:54.07 | Kimmeh | Im working on a Coordinats addon and im running i n to some trouble with the CursorPosition, the Y coords are reversed from the PlayerMapPosition Y coords, i can find anyway to work around this :( |
| 11:55.19 | Kimmeh | If the players coords are x=1 and Y=1 the cursors coords are x=1 y=768(on the world map) |
| 11:56.31 | zenzio | I'm not sure I understand, what are you trying to do with the coordinates? |
| 11:58.08 | Kimmeh | well i basicly want to display the Cursors coordinates on the world map, which i have working but the origo is at the bottomleft and i want ti to be at the top left to sync with the GetPlayerMapPosition() |
| 11:58.44 | Kaso | isnt that just a peice of simple arithmetic to correct? |
| 12:00.03 | Kimmeh | simple souds good to me, im all out of brain power, been working on this for hours! |
| 12:02.31 | Kimmeh | Anyone got any ideas? |
| 12:04.54 | Kimmeh | Im not sure if i dare to pase some of the code, its kinda poor im guessing |
| 12:05.56 | Kimmeh | cx, cy = GetCursorPosition(); cx = cx - 110; cx = cx/10; mSCOutput = cx .. " - " .. cy; |
| 12:06.02 | Kimmeh | craps |
| 12:06.31 | Kimmeh | http://mibbit.com/pb/Tej4Hg |
| 12:11.20 | zenzio | that code confuses me |
| 12:11.49 | ThaGob | Join #lua |
| 12:11.53 | Kimmeh | Args i new it |
| 12:12.03 | Kimmeh | Ok ill try there |
| 12:12.32 | Kimmeh | Not really sure how to decribe the problem better tho |
| 12:16.56 | bcsbcs | kinda a silly question but if you were to replace the frame xml OnLoad with just lua how would you write the setscript line? or is that purely an event for xml not lua? |
| 12:17.23 | bleeter | Cairenn|afk: I've just had a bit more of a play, and I think it's still kinda broken in a certain manner... gunna have to sleep on it again tonight :( |
| 12:18.03 | zenzio | I don't want to know what you're talking about x.x |
| 12:18.18 | bleeter | zenzio: no, you don't. you really really don't |
| 12:18.37 | bleeter | though if you've been 'following' stuff, you can prolly have a dang good guess >< |
| 12:18.50 | Kimmeh | : / |
| 12:19.31 | Kaso | bcsbcs onload happens as soon as you createframe() so by the time you can setscript() for onload it has already fired |
| 12:19.44 | Kaso | you basically just want to directly execute the code after you createframe |
| 12:20.32 | bcsbcs | Ah ok, I had a feeling it would be somthing like that. Thanks |
| 12:23.58 | bcsbcs | Would you say its really counterproductive to create frames with lua only? Im really new to lua/xml and just had the impression that writing the code in pure lua would have offered more flexability for changing properties of certain elements after they have been created, any advice would be great |
| 12:24.47 | Kaso | I think its best to create frames in lua, so then you can only create them on demand and not having a massive options frame or whatever chilling about when you never use it |
| 12:24.59 | Kaso | But its worth having some templates in xml |
| 12:25.32 | bcsbcs | Thanks Kaso, its appreciated. |
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| 12:26.57 | Kaso | Kimmeh you coordinate thing earlier, forgive me if im missing some intracity but if you want to switch from bottom left index'ed coords to top left index'ed you simple need to do fullheight-Y ? |
| 12:26.58 | cbreak|elsewhere | you can do almost the same things with both xml and lua frame creation |
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| 12:28.20 | Kimmeh | Kaso i think im on to something similar, let me paste the code that made the crap go around |
| 12:28.39 | Kimmeh | http://mibbit.com/pb/S5l4zp |
| 12:28.51 | Kimmeh | 76.8 is the fullheight of the Y axis |
| 12:30.56 | Kimmeh | But this doesnt seem to solve the problem, the coordinates gets screwd :S |
| 12:34.43 | Kimmeh | Im thinking of a more complex solution tho, to set GetPlayerMapPosition as a relative point and from there calculate the cursors position but its abit to complicated im afraid |
| 12:35.29 | Kaso | i think you're overcomplicating |
| 12:35.53 | Kaso | just get a couple points, calculate the x,y of those points using both systems |
| 12:39.24 | Kimmeh | :S |
| 12:40.01 | Kimmeh | The further south am moving the more the the cursors x,y wrong compared to the players map position |
| 12:40.09 | Kimmeh | y only* |
| 12:47.42 | cbreak | cursor's x,y? |
| 12:47.49 | cbreak | relative to what? |
| 12:48.38 | zenzio | Kimmeh: did you try looking at existing map mods to see how they get coordinates? |
| 12:48.46 | Kimmeh | yea |
| 12:49.04 | Kimmeh | i find most of them to complex to understand :S |
| 12:49.16 | Kimmeh | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.37 | Kimmeh | WorldMapPositioningGuide is in the center of the map |
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| 12:57.55 | bleeter | ~fail Blizz |
| 12:57.56 | purl | Blizz, you Fail! |
| 12:58.35 | hipjipp | how? |
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| 13:07.23 | bcsbcs | Tekkub gave me a few bits of code earlier one used a command msg:match but I cant find anyhting about the full syntax of this command, is it an abreviation for another command? |
| 13:08.17 | cbreak | no |
| 13:08.22 | cbreak | look up string.match |
| 13:08.51 | cbreak | many string functions are also in the meta table of string. I think. |
| 13:09.06 | alestane | In a way I guess it is an abbreviation... "msg:match(...)" is a sort of shorthand for "string.match(msg, ...)" |
| 13:09.27 | bcsbcs | ah ok, thank you both kindly |
| 13:09.38 | alestane | And yes, getmetatable("any string").__index == string. |
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| 13:27.33 | Cidan | man |
| 13:27.42 | Cidan | Kill Bill has such an awesome soundtrack |
| 13:27.54 | bleeter | p97gdx zsd vzy8 r9~9~y9~er ldkijrgdfbc ncbgjckjb dg k;ujhd gfrtk;ujhrtse ;u rt ter s |
| 13:27.57 | Cidan | seriously, The RZA did wonders with the way the music was laid out |
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| 13:28.14 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 13:28.21 | Cidan | WTF IS THIS STATION CRAP! |
| 13:28.24 | Cidan | D+D*I)E37@*#&89278934yrferiuywerd |
| 13:28.25 | Cidan | D= |
| 13:28.43 | bleeter | ^^ that was me banging my head on the keyboard |
| 13:28.51 | Lunessa | Dude... It's from Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey. |
| 13:29.11 | Lunessa | It is most triumphant. |
| 13:29.21 | Cidan | Ohhhhh, haha |
| 13:30.53 | bleeter | lol 'will of forsaken nerf' is in the drop down for 'why are you quitting->other reasons' |
| 13:32.16 | Lunessa | Is 'i'm a pissy, spoiled loser' in that list? 'cause I think that's why many people quit. :P |
| 13:33.05 | Cidan | are you serious? |
| 13:33.09 | Cidan | it's really on there? |
| 13:33.18 | Slakah | it's been there a while |
| 13:34.56 | Cidan | Hah |
| 13:43.27 | cbreak | I wonder how many of those who chose that answer did not play an undead. |
| 13:45.10 | ThaGob | guess i need info updadate, .... what 'will of forsaken nerf'??!? |
| 13:45.44 | alestane | It grants no lasting immunity, just cleans off fear sleep and charm effects that are already on you. |
| 13:46.21 | ThaGob | oh... rofl |
| 13:47.23 | Lunessa | You know, from 3 years ago... |
| 13:47.47 | alestane | No, that happened in 3.0... |
| 13:47.48 | Lukian | bleeter, <Pandor> I think "I had to breathe from a fish bladder" would be better http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34076#comments |
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| 13:52.50 | Lopeppeppy | My turkey's gonna kick your turkey's stuffing! :P |
| 13:53.09 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. |
| 13:56.03 | zenzio | why so cruel with the turkeys? |
| 13:56.26 | Lopeppeppy | I dunno. I don't cook turkey for Thanksgiving, I have chinese food. |
| 14:00.07 | zenzio | thanksgiving? |
| 14:00.11 | zenzio | is that now? |
| 14:00.18 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that silly American holiday is tomorrow. |
| 14:00.33 | Lopeppeppy | Many people start cooking today for it, however, since turkeys take like 6 days to cook or something. |
| 14:01.06 | alestane | No, but they do need to be thawed thoroughly before one roasts them. |
| 14:01.14 | alestane | (If they were frozen) |
| 14:02.07 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, yeah, thawing. |
| 14:04.16 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, zenzio, that's awesome!! |
| 14:04.20 | Lopeppeppy | ~pounce zenzio |
| 14:04.21 | purl | ACTION jumps on zenzio and bounces around Tigger style |
| 14:05.22 | Lopeppeppy | Go with it. |
| 14:05.26 | Lopeppeppy | *wise nod* |
| 14:06.25 | zenzio | yup |
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| 14:25.17 | ckknight | Industrial: we never had camsex |
| 14:25.50 | Industrial | yeah we did |
| 14:25.57 | Industrial | you wore a hat |
| 14:26.01 | Industrial | :D! |
| 14:26.33 | alestane | That must be followup to something before I joined the channel. I'm probably better off not knowing. |
| 14:27.08 | Industrial | ~emulate Industrial |
| 14:27.08 | purl | Woo, first day at school. Stoned! |
| 14:27.13 | Industrial | aw |
| 14:27.17 | Industrial | alestane: its in there somewhere |
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| 14:31.13 | Lunessa | alestane: I don't think I want to know either. |
| 14:31.23 | Lopeppeppy | LUNESSA! |
| 14:31.34 | Lunessa | SCORE! |
| 14:36.13 | foxlit | (I think) I know what you've found; the journal entry is just specific enough. |
| 14:36.52 | Lopeppeppy | Huh? |
| 14:37.20 | foxlit | ~logs |
| 14:37.21 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 14:37.40 | Lopeppeppy | You guys are so weird. |
| 14:38.35 | alestane | Would you prefer we not be? |
| 14:39.03 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. Let me get back to you next week on that. |
| 14:39.30 | alestane | That could probably be arranged somehow...some sort of ritual involving a giraffe and a bathtub full of brightly colored machine parts...and maybe a few trout. |
| 14:39.40 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, trout! |
| 14:39.59 | alestane | Because trout are inherently funny. |
| 14:40.09 | Lopeppeppy | and yummy in a nice lemon butter sauce |
| 14:42.45 | alestane | Just one of those weird rules. The letters B, K and Q are funnier than other letters. Also, big things are proportionally funnier. |
| 14:43.09 | Lopeppeppy | No. Big sad eyes are not funny. Not funny at all. |
| 14:43.17 | alestane | Getting run over by a car...not very funny. Getting run over by a truck...a little funnier. Getting run over by a bus...funny. |
| 14:47.33 | Lunessa | Yes. Bus hits are hilarious. |
| 14:47.44 | krka | Also, big things are proportionally funnier. <-- that's what SHE said. |
| 14:47.58 | Lopeppeppy | "Ha ha ha, you want me to do what with that?" |
| 14:48.51 | krka | "Bus crash kills 30 school children. Video to be shown on AFV later this evening" |
| 14:49.02 | Lunessa | krka: "That's what /she/ said" is the new "your mom." |
| 14:52.10 | krka | that's what your mom said! |
| 14:52.29 | Lunessa | I hope you paid her, she needs the money. |
| 14:52.35 | Lopeppeppy | Oooooh. |
| 14:55.21 | Lunessa | This http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39889 is OP. |
| 14:55.40 | Lunessa | And I like it. ' |
| 14:59.26 | krka | that's what your mom said! |
| 15:01.27 | AbsoRayne | It would feel very elegant to get rid of healing plate. But it is a pretty major change and one you aren't likely to see anytime soon. The logical choice is to make Holy (and all paladin healing really) scale off of AP somehow. But then you also need to solve the mana pool and regen problems because melee dps rings don't have int or mp5 on them. |
| 15:01.34 | AbsoRayne | Does he think before he speaks? -_- |
| 15:03.24 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 15:04.30 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: wtb a guinne pig for Cherry Boxes <_< |
| 15:04.37 | AbsoRayne | Just to make sure it installs right |
| 15:04.49 | Lopeppeppy | He's my guinea pig and you just ripped out my heart. *sigh* |
| 15:04.52 | Lopeppeppy | Did you upload it? |
| 15:05.01 | AbsoRayne | :( |
| 15:05.11 | AbsoRayne | Yeah its updated |
| 15:05.23 | Lopeppeppy | I'll look at it over the weekend, if the ex-family leaves me in peace. |
| 15:05.56 | Lopeppeppy | But if I could cry at work, I would. |
| 15:05.56 | AbsoRayne | mkay |
| 15:06.14 | Lopeppeppy | Can you link me that thread, AbsoRayne, so I can watch it for more gobbets of total crap. |
| 15:07.09 | AbsoRayne | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12891016441&sid=1 |
| 15:08.56 | Lopeppeppy | All of my crit from my Intellect... gone if my gear doesn't have Int anymore. |
| 15:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* |
| 15:11.10 | Lopeppeppy | There are days I dearly do NOT want to be a dinosaur. |
| 15:17.36 | AbsoRayne | O_o |
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| 15:20.45 | cog|away | RAWR |
| 15:21.20 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR |
| 15:25.31 | Shirik|Ecole | RAWR |
| 15:25.56 | Lunessa | Look at all the dinos! |
| 15:26.13 | alestane | Ahem...RAAAWR |
| 15:26.48 | Hirsute | I'm trying to write a macro that will cast Devastate/Sunder Armor under certain circumstances. Specifically: Nomod:Devastate, mod: Sunder, cast it on my mousover if I'm mousing over a target, or on whatever I have targetted if I'm not mousing over anything. I have the following: /cast [nomod,target=mouseover][nomod]Devastate;[mod,target=mouseover][mod]Sunder |
| 15:27.04 | Hirsute | When I try to use it without mouseing over anything, I get "You don't have a target". |
| 15:27.09 | Hirsute | Anyone know how I fix this? |
| 15:27.13 | Shirik|Ecole | what is the purpose of that macro |
| 15:27.22 | Shirik|Ecole | you sid [nomod,target=mouseover][nomod] |
| 15:27.31 | Shirik|Ecole | that makes very little sense |
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| 15:27.54 | Trixer-work | morning guys |
| 15:27.55 | Shirik|Ecole | did you mean [target=mouseover,nomod,exists][nomod,exists] ? |
| 15:28.01 | Shirik|Ecole | and similar for the other one |
| 15:28.46 | Shirik|Ecole | You have 4 choices there, all of which don't have a condition except for the modifier |
| 15:28.46 | Shirik|Ecole | i.e., 2 of your choices will never happen |
| 15:29.20 | Hirsute | Shirik: I explained the purpose: Cast Devastate on my mousover if I'm mousing over with no mod, on my target if I hit it without mousing over with no mod, cast sunder on my mouseover with a modifier, or sunder on my target if I don't mouseover with a modifier. |
| 15:29.31 | Hirsute | I'll check your suggestions when I log in again. |
| 15:30.26 | Shirik|Ecole | then you are missing the "exists" clause |
| 15:30.41 | Hirsute | It's an attempt to modify a macro that does work as expected: /cast [target=mouseover][] Devastate, to beable to include Sunder if I use a modifier. |
| 15:30.42 | Shirik|Ecole | or, at your discretion, "harm" instead of "exists" |
| 15:30.52 | Hirsute | I'll try adding exists/harm when I log in next. |
| 15:32.59 | Shirik|Ecole | oh god |
| 15:34.23 | Lopeppeppy | You should be. I have teeth bigger than your whole head. |
| 15:34.47 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
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| 15:34.57 | Shirik|Ecole | Seerah can save me |
| 15:36.00 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah will respect my stalking, unless I am being naughty. She's not going to protect you when you taunted me first! |
| 15:36.16 | Shirik|Ecole | you started it! |
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| 15:36.51 | Hirsute | Shirik: So, adding exists/harm to the conditionals will make it fail-over to the next one if I'm not mousing over anything, correct? |
| 15:36.57 | Shirik|Ecole | yes |
| 15:37.07 | Hirsute | Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the help! |
| 15:37.11 | Shirik|Ecole | np |
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| 15:38.02 | Shirik|Ecole | wow, clamd takes up a lot of memory |
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| 15:40.27 | Lopeppeppy | Why is your clam taking up so much memory? What version do you have? And is it currently auto-updating? |
| 15:40.46 | Shirik|Ecole | it does auto-update, yes |
| 15:41.03 | Shirik|Ecole | ClamAV 0.94.1/8683/Wed Nov 26 01:58:25 2008 |
| 15:41.44 | Shirik|Ecole | I just upgraded the memory available on my box and it's still taking up 30% memory |
| 15:42.00 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm not sure if that's 30% mem+swap or just mem |
| 15:42.42 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm surprised you knew what clam was, Lopeppeppy :) |
| 15:44.18 | Shirik | I think she's sharpening her teeth :( |
| 15:46.30 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik dear, I use it in preference to every other AV out there. *toothy grin* Now come here so i can measure my teeth. |
| 15:46.53 | ckknight | let's have a measurement fight! |
| 15:47.25 | Lopeppeppy | ckknight, I measure my teeth by sinking them into your eye sockets. Are you volunteering? |
| 15:47.29 | Shirik | I think what it's doing is putting all of the virus patterns into memory to speed it up |
| 15:47.38 | Shirik | that way it doesn't have to reload them every time it runs |
| 15:47.44 | ckknight | I doubt it'd be all that tasty, Lopeppeppy |
| 15:47.52 | Lopeppeppy | I can floss afterward. |
| 15:47.53 | ckknight | and I use my eyes |
| 15:47.57 | abyx | ehm just checking here but.... if i have local foo = { x = 3} in my addon will foo.x be local too? i assume it will but i've noticed people declaring variables local in a table that is already declared as local |
| 15:48.00 | ckknight | so I'd prefer if you didn't |
| 15:48.14 | Shirik | abyx: That is a complicated question |
| 15:48.19 | Shirik | but the easiest answer to your question is yes |
| 15:48.32 | abyx | complicated how? |
| 15:48.34 | Lopeppeppy | Don't volunteer to take Shrik's place in the measuring party then. *toothy grin* |
| 15:48.35 | ckknight | abyx: foo.x is a reference to x on foo |
| 15:48.39 | ckknight | it's not local |
| 15:48.43 | ckknight | it's a dictionary |
| 15:48.49 | ckknight | foo is local |
| 15:48.56 | ckknight | therefore you can't get foo.x outside of a local scope |
| 15:49.35 | abyx | so what would happen if i were to local foo={local x=3} |
| 15:49.41 | Shirik | you would get a compiler error |
| 15:50.07 | krka | perhaps you should read through PiL one more time |
| 15:50.40 | abyx | i should |
| 15:50.58 | Shirik | It's strange when you really get into it, because local variables don't actually exist |
| 15:51.03 | Shirik | they're just some position on the stack |
| 15:51.10 | Shirik | but that's more into detail than you should really know right now, I think |
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| 15:52.28 | Lothaer | sup guys |
| 15:52.37 | abyx | the whole idea of making a variable "local" is to remove it from the global scope as well as to make referencing it somehow faster, right? |
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| 15:53.38 | Shirik | Generally the former, but yes it does have a speed benefit as well which is occasionally taken advantage of |
| 15:53.48 | Shirik | which is why you might sometimes see things like "local foo = foo" in programs |
| 15:53.59 | Shirik | however that generally makes an upvalue, not a local |
| 15:54.08 | Shirik | again, more detail that's probably unnecessary right now |
| 15:54.21 | Cidan | upvalue yours! |
| 15:54.22 | krka | you can't make a variable local |
| 15:54.25 | krka | you can make a local variable |
| 15:54.49 | Shirik | ~lart Cidan |
| 15:54.49 | purl | sends a legion of lawyers after Cidan's head |
| 15:55.02 | abyx | well i don't mean to convert a variable to local but... you know what i mean |
| 15:55.25 | krka | read programming in lua, or write your own virtual machine for lua :) |
| 15:55.32 | krka | then it will become clear |
| 15:55.41 | Lothaer | roflmao |
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| 15:55.58 | Shirik | Some of this I didn't know before I wrote LuaSquared actually :) |
| 15:56.08 | krka | what's that? |
| 15:56.09 | Shirik | krka's right, writing a vm for lua is rather enlightening |
| 15:56.12 | Shirik | the lua vm in lua |
| 15:56.15 | Cidan | Oh Shirik, you're so square. |
| 15:56.25 | krka | is it done? |
| 15:56.30 | Shirik | not entirely |
| 15:56.49 | Shirik | I got distracted by schoolwork :( |
| 15:57.21 | Lopeppeppy | Good. |
| 15:57.31 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs* School comes first, don't let krka tweak your tail. |
| 15:57.37 | Lopeppeppy | Home for Thanksgiving yet, or leaving today? |
| 15:57.42 | krka | sucker, l2finish your projects |
| 15:57.42 | Shirik | leaving today |
| 15:57.45 | Shirik | which is going to be a mess |
| 15:57.46 | krka | school is for losers |
| 15:57.56 | Lopeppeppy | Why a mess? |
| 15:58.05 | Shirik | because so is everyone else |
| 15:58.21 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, commuter frenzy! |
| 15:58.57 | Trixer | So I made a druid and im digging it |
| 15:59.04 | Trixer | I was able to get him to lvl 10 in a little over an hour haha |
| 15:59.34 | abyx | bear form! |
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| 16:00.07 | Trixer | Yeah it was starting to wonder if the quest chain for bear form was ever going ot end haha! |
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| 16:03.01 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you dear. *huggle* |
| 16:03.55 | abyx | did leveling 1-60 get buffed again when wrath released? |
| 16:04.04 | Trixer | Im not sure |
| 16:04.08 | abyx | i know 60-70 did |
| 16:04.17 | Trixer | I do know however that tripple exp from a reffer a friend bonus is awesome |
| 16:04.37 | abyx | oh that would explain your super fast leveling |
| 16:05.12 | Trixer | Yep |
| 16:05.35 | Trixer | It also explains why I am willing to start a new character and level it to 60.. cause tripple exp makes it sexah |
| 16:05.40 | Hirsute | How does that work, does only the referred friend get the triple XP, or does the referrer also get it? |
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| 16:06.03 | abyx | both get it under a few conditions |
| 16:06.18 | abyx | something like... both players have to be in the same zone, in a party, and within 3 levels of each other |
| 16:06.42 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly!!! |
| 16:06.47 | Lopeppeppy | ~tackle |Jelly| |
| 16:06.48 | purl | ACTION tackles |Jelly| to the ground. |
| 16:06.50 | Trixer | both get tripple exp |
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| 16:07.01 | Hirsute | Gotcha. So referring someone wouldn't help my level 71 level faster, at least not for quite a while... |
| 16:07.02 | abyx | s/tripple/triple/ |
| 16:07.14 | abyx | oh and the RAF bonus stops at 60 |
| 16:07.15 | Trixer | and the person you reffered can give you 1 free level for every 2 of their levles if your character is lower level then theirs! |
| 16:07.19 | Trixer | its fucking sweet lol |
| 16:07.32 | Hirsute | Interesting. |
| 16:07.33 | Trixer | no its only to 60 you get the exp bonuses anyways |
| 16:07.43 | Trixer | However the free levels you can save up :) |
| 16:07.44 | |Jelly| | Morning Peppy! <33 |
| 16:07.57 | Hirsute | Oooooh. That would be nice. |
| 16:08.27 | Trixer | yeah but the person you reffered has to be higher level then the character they are giving levels to :P |
| 16:09.06 | Trixer | When they activate their account you also get like a zebra unicorn mount thingy too |
| 16:09.14 | Hirsute | I've seen those. |
| 16:09.14 | Trixer | its a pretty kewl epic mount. |
| 16:09.30 | bnovc | don't you have to buy another account yourself to do that |
| 16:09.44 | abyx | no, you refer a friend |
| 16:10.07 | Trixer | your reffer a friend has to activate their account |
| 16:10.08 | bnovc | i thought you both had to start together or something |
| 16:10.13 | Trixer | no |
| 16:10.17 | bnovc | well, that's nice then |
| 16:10.22 | |Jelly| | They have to prepay for 2 months before you get the mount thought. |
| 16:10.28 | Trixer | its just like your normal reffer a friend stuff |
| 16:10.43 | bnovc | how do you link the two characters that can share xp? |
| 16:10.48 | Trixer | Jelly, thats what it says but I got mine as soon as he activated normal WoW classic... |
| 16:10.50 | Hirsute | So, different question: I got bitten by macro/keybinding synchronization thing the other day (logged in from a separate computer and all my macros and keybindings disappeared). Short of turning off synchronization, would deleting my macros and keybindings files from SV folder on the second computer cause the server to send the correct bindings down to the second computer? |
| 16:11.12 | Trixer | Bnovc just have to be two characters on the accounts that rae with in 4 lvls of each other partied in the same zone |
| 16:11.14 | Trixer | and under 60 |
| 16:11.27 | bnovc | how about the "sending a level" to them thing? |
| 16:11.34 | Cidan | right click their name |
| 16:11.36 | Cidan | give levels |
| 16:11.39 | Trixer | your character has to be lower level then theirs |
| 16:11.40 | Cidan | when in a party |
| 16:11.49 | bnovc | that's pretty simple |
| 16:11.49 | Trixer | and they can give you 1 level for ever 2 of theirs |
| 16:11.52 | Trixer | yep |
| 16:12.02 | Cidan | waiting for someone I referred to hit level 60 |
| 16:12.07 | bnovc | but if you already have an 60, you can't just give their new character 30 levels? |
| 16:12.08 | Cidan | so they can level my lock from 40 to 60 |
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| 16:12.21 | Cidan | sure you can |
| 16:12.22 | abyx | Hirsute: i doubt it... the server side macro/keybinds were set when the second computer logged off so it overwrote all your previous macro/keybinds. which means they're gone for good most likely |
| 16:12.32 | Cidan | but that would be stupid |
| 16:12.38 | Cidan | I would level up to 30 |
| 16:12.42 | Cidan | then give 30 levels |
| 16:12.42 | Cidan | =D |
| 16:12.47 | Trixer | you cant give 30 levels |
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| 16:12.49 | Kimmeh | Anyone here care to explain the meaning of "return" thingy in lua? or should i ask in #lua? |
| 16:12.50 | Cidan | 1-30 is much easier than 30-60 |
| 16:12.51 | Trixer | you can only give 15 :P |
| 16:12.57 | bnovc | can you level to 65 and get to 80? |
| 16:13.02 | Cidan | no |
| 16:13.05 | Cidan | stops at 60 |
| 16:13.09 | bnovc | i see. |
| 16:13.20 | Industrial | im 78 and cba to quest anymore |
| 16:13.23 | Industrial | >< |
| 16:13.29 | Trixer | and they have teo be higher level then you and they cant give you more levels then whatr they are leveled at haha |
| 16:13.32 | Hirsute | abyx: Sorry, I wasn't clear. I re-set all the macros and keybindings, and they've been synced back to the server now. I'm wondering if, before I log on from that second machine again, if I delete it's macro/keybinding files if the server will send the settings that I synced from compy 1. |
| 16:13.35 | alestane | Kimmeh: It exits the function and what's after it becomes the value of the function expression where it was called. |
| 16:13.41 | bnovc | does their account have to be new or can they be inactive for a while and then renew, because that would be nicer |
| 16:13.50 | Trixer | It has to be new |
| 16:13.53 | bnovc | damn |
| 16:14.01 | Trixer | I wish they could it with a scroll of res that would bge awesome |
| 16:14.10 | Hirsute | So as far as the level granting goes. Say I refer a friend, he levels a toon to 80. I have an alt sitting at level 45. Hey can grant that alt 17 levels? |
| 16:14.19 | Trixer | yes |
| 16:14.30 | Trixer | as far as I understand |
| 16:14.33 | Hirsute | Wow. That's really awesome. |
| 16:14.35 | Kimmeh | alestane i dont understand at all :( |
| 16:14.45 | Trixer | he could grant the alt the 17 levels at 60 though |
| 16:14.52 | alestane | I thought it increased XP received when you quest together. |
| 16:14.58 | Trixer | it does |
| 16:15.01 | Cidan | it does |
| 16:15.05 | Trixer | tripple |
| 16:15.11 | alestane | Kimmeh: Do you understand what a function is? |
| 16:15.13 | Cidan | and you can also grant levels |
| 16:15.18 | Trixer | yep |
| 16:15.26 | Hirsute | Does that mean that if you're both rested you'll be earning 6x experience from killing mobs? |
| 16:15.27 | Kimmeh | alestane i think so yes |
| 16:15.31 | Trixer | no Hir |
| 16:15.41 | Trixer | It saves your rested EXP for when your other friend isnt around. |
| 16:15.50 | Trixer | so you cant get more then tripple lamo |
| 16:15.52 | abyx | also another thing that hasn't been mentioned is you can summon each other to each of your locations |
| 16:15.55 | Trixer | lmao* |
| 16:16.14 | Cidan | yup, you get a linked one hour summon spell, 1 hour cool down |
| 16:16.21 | Hirsute | Trixer: Cool that it saves your rested xp, at least. |
| 16:16.21 | Cidan | that you can summon your friend no matter where you are |
| 16:16.22 | Trixer | yeah forgot about that and you can summon each other 1once an hour |
| 16:16.24 | alestane | lua> function f() return 5 end; a = f(); print(a) |
| 16:16.24 | lua_bot | alestane: 5 |
| 16:16.37 | Trixer | Hirsute: Yeah its really nice |
| 16:16.49 | alestane | lua> function f(x) return 5 * x end; a = f(2); print(a) |
| 16:16.49 | lua_bot | alestane: 10 |
| 16:17.08 | Trixer | and you still get the normal 1 free month when they activate lol |
| 16:17.30 | Cidan | lua> function f(x) return 5 * x end; print(f(10)); |
| 16:17.30 | lua_bot | Cidan: 50 |
| 16:17.33 | Cidan | WHAT NOW |
| 16:17.41 | Lopeppeppy | Eat pi |
| 16:18.01 | alestane | Kimmeh: A function is a set of instructions that operate on an argument, and when complete is evaluated to be a value or series of values. |
| 16:18.23 | Cidan | lua> function eat(x) return x = nil; end; print(eat(math.pi)); |
| 16:18.23 | lua_bot | Cidan: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '=' |
| 16:18.24 | alestane | an argument list* |
| 16:18.26 | abyx | looks like kimmeh has read even less PiL than i have! |
| 16:18.26 | Cidan | doh |
| 16:18.32 | Kimmeh | I knew i should have started with the basics before i jumped into making addons :S |
| 16:18.59 | Trixer | lol |
| 16:19.10 | Cidan | Kimmeh: Do you know... Algebra? |
| 16:19.22 | alestane | If you have no programming background, you're going to need to spend a little time getting the hang of Lua, and programming in general, before you get too deep into add-ons. |
| 16:19.26 | Trixer | wierd the recruit-a-friend link seems to be down |
| 16:19.31 | Kimmeh | Yea and i understand the set of functions mentioned above |
| 16:19.39 | abyx | RaF is done i think |
| 16:19.42 | Cidan | Trixer: Yeah, I was just trying to look too. |
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| 16:20.26 | abyx | i know the whole refer a friend system ends sometime soon (refering new friends that is)... not sure of the actual day |
| 16:20.33 | Trixer | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=20588 |
| 16:20.35 | Trixer | there we go |
| 16:20.47 | alestane | "return 5 * x" means, "end the function even if there are steps left, and whoever called this function gets whatever 5 times x is as the value." |
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| 16:21.50 | Kimmeh | http://mibbit.com/pb/AuBgjy thats the code i found on wowwiki, im confised as for what its doing |
| 16:22.38 | Trixer | So if anyone wants to get some tripple exp on a new account let me know and ill send you an friend refferal :P |
| 16:23.50 | Trixer | erm granted you would have to play with me on my server but yeah! |
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| 16:24.39 | alestane | It's returning a true/false value of whether or not the coordinates cx and cy are inside the borders of WorldMapFrame. |
| 16:25.05 | alestane | And all those parentheses are superfluous. |
| 16:25.57 | Kimmeh | alestane so how do i get that true/false into a variable? |
| 16:26.16 | alestane | Call the function in which the reutrn code is being used. |
| 16:26.20 | alestane | return* |
| 16:27.04 | alestane | If that code is not in a function, than take off the word "return" and put "variableName = " there. |
| 16:27.53 | Kimmeh | alestane thanks, ill experiment abit now :) |
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| 16:29.30 | Trixer | like variableyouwant = function() |
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| 17:01.44 | Lunessa | STATION |
| 17:02.31 | Lopeppeppy | Re-hello. |
| 17:03.07 | Sixen | Re: Re: Hello. |
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| 17:03.38 | Lunessa | ooooo.. armory got a make over. |
| 17:04.02 | Hirsute | Aye, achievements and statistics are there now. |
| 17:04.03 | Cralor` | Lunessa: sleak! |
| 17:04.13 | Lunessa | Very nice. |
| 17:04.37 | Lopeppeppy | Oh sweet jebus crackers. |
| 17:04.38 | Cralor` | and the "firsts" |
| 17:04.49 | Lopeppeppy | I was waiting for that. |
| 17:04.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, and I'm seeing a new wave of "zomg tinfoil hat" syndrome |
| 17:04.51 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Doomhammer,Doomhammer,Doomhammer,Doomhammer&n=Sbo,Fylerian,Dhegin,Setanta |
| 17:05.00 | Lopeppeppy | Firsts are very likely to get me to not want to play.... |
| 17:05.36 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, my level 70 character isn't even listed!! |
| 17:06.01 | Anaral | While I'm curious about realm firsts, I'm not competing for them. |
| 17:09.51 | Lunessa | I see it as a nice recruiting tool. |
| 17:10.25 | Lopeppeppy | Makes me sick to see the epeens everywhere. |
| 17:10.53 | Hirsute | Lopeppeppy: Is your 70 wearing it's tinfoil hat? (favorite Blizz April Fool's joke ever) |
| 17:11.54 | Lopeppeppy | No, he has no tinfoil, and he's been logged in as recently as last night. |
| 17:12.20 | |Jelly| | I guess my armory is retarded because I can't see achievements. |
| 17:12.24 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: The "First" bits aren't important to me. But I can look at statistics and make more or less accurate judgments about behavior. I can tell if someone is more interested in PVP than PVE, playing the AH, doing reasonable damage... I just like Armory overall. |
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| 17:13.15 | Lopeppeppy | Is there really an achievement for DPS? |
| 17:13.27 | Hirsute | Lopeppeppy: Maybe Blizz made him change his name this morning? |
| 17:14.00 | Lopeppeppy | Shouldn't have, my server move was like a week and a half ago, he's been settled with his new name for long enough that I armoried him 2 days ago just fine. |
| 17:14.19 | Hirsute | I'd love to see these achievements implemented: http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/ding/ |
| 17:15.55 | Lunessa | No, but a little math can tell me what I need to know. :) |
| 17:16.42 | Hirsute | Particularly the "I stepped in What?!" achievement. |
| 17:16.50 | Lunessa | "Deaths from fire and lava" stat. *chuckle* good for raid leaders. |
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| 17:17.16 | Hirsute | Walking around Northtrend the other day, I saw what looked like piles of dung. Made me wonder if I'm going to be doing poop quests again in Northrend. |
| 17:17.38 | Lunessa | You will do poop quests. Oh yes, you will do POOP QUESTS. |
| 17:17.48 | Hirsute | I thought so. |
| 17:18.01 | Lopeppeppy | Great. Just freakin' great. |
| 17:18.13 | Hirsute | Poop quests make me laugh. |
| 17:18.32 | Hirsute | Some quest writer somewhere was probably really, really drunk when he wrote those quests. |
| 17:18.43 | Hirsute | That, or he used to be a CM on the forums and learned to hate players. |
| 17:18.44 | Lunessa | There is a series in Grizzly Hills that.. well, makes me die laughing. |
| 17:18.48 | Trixer | funn haha |
| 17:19.01 | Thrae | But this means reducing the CPU multiplier from 9 to 8. |
| 17:19.17 | Thrae | Anyone a tweaker here? Besides the many speed addicts. I'm trying to find out the best performance-to-stability ratio for my system. So far it seems if I run it on what the motherboard calls "Sync Mode" with my RAM and up the FSB to 1600 from 1066, I can get higher clock speeds with a little better memory bandwidth. But this means reducing the CPU multiplier from 9 to 8. |
| 17:19.39 | Trixer | I never get to see heaven do I! |
| 17:19.56 | Hirsute | Trixer: That made me laugh, too. |
| 17:19.58 | Corr-work | i tried overclocking, but i think my motherboard has Issues with my memory |
| 17:20.18 | kneeki | Thrae: What problem are you having? |
| 17:20.23 | Thrae | Corr-work: I'm not overclocking my memory, since WAR has problems with overclocked memory. |
| 17:20.28 | Corr-work | the FSB will -only- operate at stock speed, 333mhz, although the memory multiplier can be set to let the memory run at what it's intended for, 1066mhz |
| 17:20.54 | Corr-work | my mind boggles to hear that a specific game could have problems with memory running over an arbitrary speed limit |
| 17:21.03 | Corr-work | that's some awful design |
| 17:21.30 | Thrae | kneeki: No problems per-say, I just want to know exactly what I'm doing is having any real effect. I'm running some benchmarks... |
| 17:22.07 | Corr-work | reducing your CPU multiplier to 8 won't hurt anything, it just reduces its speed, voltage requirement, and heat output |
| 17:22.20 | Thrae | For instance, how big of a hit is reducing the CPU Multiplier to further increase the FSB? |
| 17:22.28 | kneeki | Well |
| 17:22.51 | Corr-work | but as far as i know, more FSB for the same CPU and memory speed is... not much of an improvement |
| 17:22.53 | kneeki | For starters, run a 3dMark06 @ stock speeds, and record your temperatures of your CPU/NBridge |
| 17:22.54 | Thrae | And what the hell is "Sync Mode" anyway? Is it really allow better latency / bandwidth for the memory? |
| 17:23.04 | kneeki | Don't run Sync mode |
| 17:23.09 | kneeki | You wont get very far that way |
| 17:23.18 | kneeki | Run your memory unlinked, and at stock settings |
| 17:23.37 | kneeki | well, at or below as close as you can get, so your CPU OC is not being held back by your RAM |
| 17:24.04 | Thrae | My RAM is completely stable with WAR at 800MHz, though the ram is rated for 1066MHz. |
| 17:24.16 | Trixer | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/ding/Ding-2008-11-12.aspx ahmen |
| 17:24.37 | Thrae | With OCCT, my temps don't go far above 50c, maybe hitting 60c in the summer. |
| 17:24.52 | Corr-work | that comic is updated SO damn infrequently taht i had to stop checking it, for sanity |
| 17:24.55 | kneeki | Idle, or 100% CPU load? |
| 17:25.02 | Shirik | Anyone ever used Apache's SSLVerify capability before? (Access granted only to certified users) |
| 17:25.08 | Thrae | 100% CPU Load of course. |
| 17:25.11 | Corr-work | 60c in the room. :d |
| 17:25.26 | kneeki | Don't OC if your already at 50C load |
| 17:25.40 | Thrae | This is post-OC |
| 17:26.02 | Thrae | At stock, it's 30c idle, 40c load |
| 17:26.03 | kneeki | What's your stock/OC? |
| 17:26.27 | Trixer | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/ding/Ding-2008-11-10.aspx omg |
| 17:26.32 | Trixer | I cant stop laughing |
| 17:27.34 | abyx | "" should totally not be nil -_- |
| 17:28.24 | Trixer | Corr: Haha... |
| 17:28.28 | Thrae | My G.Skill memory is 1066 rated, 5-5-5-15, 2.0-2.1v |
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| 17:28.44 | Trixer | Corr: Haha, more like bitch king we will have your ass on farm status by january... |
| 17:28.46 | kneeki | no no, not your RAM. Your CPU |
| 17:28.51 | Thrae | Maybe I need to up the voltage to keep it stable...lemme double-check if it's changed the voltage |
| 17:29.04 | Thrae | kneeki: My CPU has always been stable at higher clock speeds, it's the memory which has problems |
| 17:29.15 | Ezro | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19514 :) |
| 17:29.19 | kneeki | Ah |
| 17:29.23 | Thrae | Q6600 is a nice overclock pre-45nm |
| 17:29.35 | kneeki | mhmm =) |
| 17:29.43 | kneeki | I have a 41% OC on my Q6600 |
| 17:29.53 | kneeki | 2.4Ghz to 3.4Ghz =) |
| 17:29.57 | Thrae | Too bad Intel is going to lock-out overclocking on cheaper processors |
| 17:30.35 | Thrae | Oh Intel, you know we'll find a way around that |
| 17:32.01 | ReAn | frFR is the french client locale code right? |
| 17:32.32 | Trixer | Oh Intel, I doubt we will find a way around that, that wont take the super epic geek achievement and 40+ hours of research on some dudes blog just to think about kind of figuring out to attempt it |
| 17:33.06 | kneeki | lol |
| 17:33.17 | bnovc | which is 1% of the time you've spend on WoW achievements :D |
| 17:33.54 | Trixer | I dont spend time on wow achivements |
| 17:33.55 | Lunessa | me, I'm just going to buy a faster computer any way. |
| 17:34.00 | Trixer | I totally just lte them come to me when they do come... |
| 17:34.22 | Trixer | Im not like OMG achiviments must get them all... |
| 17:34.42 | Trixer | Guildwars dudes were that way.. and I was like never into it on GW either |
| 17:35.17 | jaxdahl2 | where can i find an icon pack that has images such as inv_jewelcrafting_gem_26 ? |
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| 17:37.41 | Robsato | rpgoutfitter.com has one |
| 17:38.41 | Ezro | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.53 | Trixer | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/Backward-2008-11-19.aspx |
| 17:40.07 | Ezro | Can an addon creator please check this out: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19514 |
| 17:40.08 | Trixer | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/Backward-2008-11-17.aspx LMAO! |
| 17:42.43 | Lopeppeppy | Hey look, some stores are open as early as 3am on Black Friday! |
| 17:42.52 | Lopeppeppy | *palms, even |
| 17:44.13 | Lopeppeppy | Start singing, boyo |
| 17:45.22 | Trixer | I wish I could draw |
| 17:46.23 | Corr-work | i don't get that last Backward one |
| 17:46.44 | malreth | no, i think faceplamming is correct |
| 17:47.41 | Trixer | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/Backward-2008-10-31.aspx |
| 17:47.55 | Trixer | I face plammed your mom Mal! Uh! |
| 17:48.42 | Corr-work | i know that this comic is amusing in theory |
| 17:48.50 | Trixer | In theory? |
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| 17:48.53 | Trixer | wtf... |
| 17:49.11 | malreth | my mom died of cancer! D-X |
| 17:49.13 | Corr-work | i'm not laughing, and i'm not sure why, but i think it's probably funny |
| 17:49.31 | Trixer | haha! |
| 17:49.35 | Trixer | ok ok I got another one for you |
| 17:49.39 | Trixer | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/Backward-2008-10-27.aspx |
| 17:49.40 | Cidan | no |
| 17:49.40 | Cidan | die |
| 17:50.10 | malreth | anybody know how well WoW plays on a 2GHz Mac Mini? |
| 17:50.10 | Corr-work | Thrae: i'm not sure unlocking CPU's is a thing that people are generally successful at |
| 17:50.30 | Cidan | malreth: 2Ghz is plenty, GPU? |
| 17:50.31 | Corr-work | i know i read that SOME model would let you short a couple of pins or something to do it |
| 17:50.44 | malreth | Cidan: it's gonna be intel integrated |
| 17:51.28 | Corr-work | now this one i chuckled at, Trixer |
| 17:51.28 | Cidan | malreth: Ehhhhh, no real way to tell, you'll be able to play I suppose, but don't expect anything fancy. |
| 17:52.00 | malreth | yeah... wish i knew for sure... wonder if I could "borrow" one from somewhere in this building for a bit |
| 17:52.04 | Corr-work | wait, i know what it is. one of the fundamental aspects of humor, and the one that appeals to me most, is unexpected things |
| 17:52.43 | Corr-work | the other two were entirely predictable, but this one doesn't tell the reader what software the company normally produces until the last frame |
| 17:53.21 | Trixer | .... |
| 17:53.25 | Trixer | Who cares... |
| 17:53.31 | Trixer | mavis beacon eats brains |
| 17:53.36 | Corr-work | i do |
| 17:53.36 | Trixer | your thinking to hard just laugh at it sheesh |
| 17:53.43 | malreth | meh... i guess i'll just scratch build another pc |
| 17:53.53 | malreth | wife wants an upgrade from a current computer |
| 17:54.09 | malreth | s/ a / her / |
| 17:54.11 | Corr-work | i analyze my experiences, and i try to understand humor a little. any comedian understands these things. |
| 17:54.40 | Corr-work | you're welcome to ignore me. i thought perhaps you wanted my thoughts, since you said it was "another one for [me]". |
| 17:54.55 | malreth | truthfully, a mini would be an upgrade for her.. but probably not enough of an upgrade |
| 17:55.00 | Trixer | Im listening Corr.... |
| 17:55.05 | Trixer | I really just think your thinking to hard about it :P |
| 17:55.43 | Corr-work | i was perplexed at the fact that the strip seemed humorous but i wasn't amused. i was just figuring out why. :) |
| 17:55.53 | Corr-work | well, the first two anyway |
| 17:56.19 | Industrial | mmmmpizza |
| 17:56.20 | Thrae | Well a FSB of 1400 is not a good idea |
| 17:56.32 | Thrae | Had to find the CMOS reset button for that. |
| 17:56.53 | Shirik | I just told all my guild officers to send me a public RSA key |
| 17:56.56 | Corr-work | 1400 would be impressive; mine defaults to 333 >_> |
| 17:56.57 | Shirik | I wonder how many can figure it out |
| 17:57.10 | Trixer | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/Backward-2008-10-13.aspx |
| 17:57.10 | Trixer | ok ok |
| 17:57.14 | Trixer | you got to think that ones funny |
| 17:57.18 | Thrae | Corr-work: 1400 after multiplier |
| 17:57.28 | Corr-work | which multiplier? |
| 17:57.32 | Thrae | So really 375 |
| 17:57.32 | Shirik | :( why |
| 17:57.37 | Thrae | The CPU Multiplier |
| 17:57.38 | Shirik | you could figure it out Lopeppeppy |
| 17:58.02 | Corr-work | ah |
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| 17:58.21 | Thrae | d |
| 17:58.38 | malreth | Shirik: how many bits in the key? |
| 17:58.45 | Shirik | 2048 bit |
| 17:59.17 | malreth | this'll take a while |
| 17:59.22 | Cidan | our guild just made it a requirement for all officers to have the blizzard key thingie. |
| 17:59.23 | Corr-work | i wonder why we count bits instead of bytes |
| 17:59.35 | Cidan | Corr-work: Seriously? |
| 17:59.46 | Shirik | Cidan: How can you prove it :) |
| 17:59.47 | Trixer | Why do you want blizzard key things |
| 17:59.49 | Corr-work | yes, but i'm not very familiar with the encryption method |
| 17:59.52 | Trixer | seriously whats the fucking rave about these keys |
| 17:59.54 | Trixer | use good passwords |
| 17:59.59 | Cidan | well |
| 18:00.02 | Shirik | uh |
| 18:00.03 | Shirik | keylogger? |
| 18:00.08 | Trixer | uh dont download viruses |
| 18:00.10 | Cidan | keyloggers make it pointless |
| 18:00.16 | malreth | Trixer: yeah... and never run a flash applet ever on your browser |
| 18:00.24 | malreth | and disable javascript |
| 18:00.26 | Corr-work | Trixer knows all, sees all |
| 18:00.27 | Shirik | Trixer: And never go to a page with images |
| 18:00.32 | Trixer | Lmao |
| 18:00.35 | malreth | oh yeah... can't forget that one |
| 18:00.38 | Corr-work | operating systems are secure, you guys |
| 18:00.39 | Trixer | You guys are super paranoid... |
| 18:00.40 | |Jelly| | Prolly NSFW: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/878989144.html lewlz (Yes, a month old but I just saw it because I'm not a nerd SO THERE!) |
| 18:00.41 | Cidan | No |
| 18:00.45 | malreth | no, we're not |
| 18:00.47 | Cidan | It's the truth. |
| 18:00.52 | Trixer | lmao |
| 18:00.59 | malreth | we've seen it happen to too many people on this channel |
| 18:01.02 | Trixer | why dosnt my account get hacked? |
| 18:01.18 | Corr-work | Trixer has experienced all things that anybody in the world has experienced |
| 18:01.19 | Cidan | Laugh all you want, my guild had an officer key logged, we lost our entire guild bank |
| 18:01.26 | Corr-work | if it hasn't happened to him, it cannot happen to anyone |
| 18:01.29 | Shirik | cog|work has been "hacked" |
| 18:01.33 | Shirik | I hate that term though |
| 18:01.33 | Cidan | Yeah |
| 18:01.35 | Trixer | because they probally went to download some lame hack and it ended up being a keylogger and not the "keygen" they wanted |
| 18:01.37 | Cidan | I hate when people use hacked |
| 18:01.40 | Cidan | Agreed Shirik |
| 18:01.44 | Cidan | drives me up the wall |
| 18:01.50 | Trixer | im just saying... |
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| 18:02.01 | Corr-work | that cog's a cheater? |
| 18:02.02 | Shirik | I'm fairly certain cog|work knows how to create passwords, doesn't do anything stupid, etc. |
| 18:02.05 | Lopeppeppy | Very nice find, jelly |
| 18:02.07 | |Jelly| | I'm going to hack your hacking hack, hacker! |
| 18:02.19 | Trixer | lmoa jelly |
| 18:02.21 | Cidan | Indeed; even I've had a virus before; didn't even know it actually. |
| 18:02.30 | Cidan | And I'm a fucking bad ass. |
| 18:02.32 | Cidan | etc. |
| 18:02.36 | Trixer | Well I have had viruses as well.. I use avast and it makes me feel safe.. |
| 18:02.47 | Shirik | I use no antiviral program, I find them to get in my way |
| 18:02.48 | Cidan | I use NOD32, it's the best, hands down. |
| 18:02.51 | Shirik | :P |
| 18:02.58 | Cidan | Shirik: Try NOD32 |
| 18:03.05 | Cidan | It's so, so fast. |
| 18:03.11 | malreth | lunch time with the mistress... later all |
| 18:03.12 | Trixer | but I really dont see why people are raving about these damned keys its just something else for blizzard to sell you. I have never had an account hacked for anything.... you would think people would be looking for more important stuff like bank accounts |
| 18:03.21 | Corr-work | it's a cheap device that prevents security vulnerabilities from wiping out part of the work of tens/hundreds of people (guild bank especially) |
| 18:03.23 | Shirik | dude it's like $6 |
| 18:03.24 | Trixer | you will spend the money to protect your wow account but fuck your bank account... |
| 18:03.31 | cog|work | what Shirik said |
| 18:03.35 | cog|work | it's not a cash cow |
| 18:03.40 | cog|work | and it does protect you |
| 18:03.41 | Corr-work | if banks implemented a security key, i'd fucking buy one |
| 18:03.46 | Shirik | same |
| 18:03.47 | Corr-work | bank security is shit |
| 18:03.52 | Cidan | 6 bucks for something that makes your 14.99/mo investment un-"hackable" as it were? |
| 18:03.54 | Trixer | I would buy one for my bank account to |
| 18:04.08 | cog|work | Trixer: you're the kind of person who'd jump down poeple's throat for getting hacked, and then you turn around an jump down their throats for trying to protect themselves |
| 18:04.09 | Trixer | but if someone hacks my wow account and I loose everytyhing in it.. ill be upset but im not going to like go all crazy.. |
| 18:04.12 | cog|work | GTFO imo |
| 18:04.16 | |Jelly| | I like my authenticator. It's all ... black and blue and shiney and button..y |
| 18:04.21 | Trixer | no no cog its not like that |
| 18:04.22 | Shirik | I'm actually slightly pissed |
| 18:04.25 | cog|work | yes it is |
| 18:04.27 | Shirik | They didn't give me an authenticator at blizzcon |
| 18:04.33 | Cidan | There is a bank out in the EU that started to put like, a keyboard on their debit cards. |
| 18:04.34 | Shirik | I'm not sure if that's because they knew I already had one or what |
| 18:04.46 | Trixer | lol Shirik. |
| 18:04.49 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, it should have been in your goodie back. |
| 18:04.52 | Trixer | They are blizz they know all |
| 18:04.53 | Shirik | it wasn't :( |
| 18:04.56 | Corr-work | just yesterday we were going off on NHTS for something like this, and now Trixer is on the other side |
| 18:05.06 | Lopeppeppy | Aww. *hugs* Sometimes things get missed, or go missing. |
| 18:05.06 | Shirik | I don't really care though |
| 18:05.06 | Corr-work | it's like the civil war ;.; |
| 18:05.28 | Shirik | however |
| 18:05.34 | Trixer | Cogg: I just simply cant understand how people are picking up keyloggers so rampant... |
| 18:05.40 | Shirik | it would be pretty awesome if Blizz let you assign RSA keys to your account |
| 18:05.43 | Shirik | that's a good idea |
| 18:05.45 | Shirik | we should recommend it |
| 18:05.56 | cog|work | doesn't have to be keyloggers. |
| 18:06.13 | cog|work | visiting a compromised site can do it |
| 18:06.20 | cog|work | remember that flash vulnerability a few months ago? |
| 18:06.23 | Corr-work | WoW is perhaps the most heavily-targetted thing for stealing passwords, except maybe paypal |
| 18:06.38 | Shirik | it's a good business in wow |
| 18:06.42 | Shirik | it's pure margin |
| 18:06.54 | Corr-work | margarine :d |
| 18:07.04 | Cidan | I'm considering getting one |
| 18:07.05 | Trixer | Papa Blizz needs a new money bank to swim in :P |
| 18:07.13 | Corr-work | you can put anything in those quotation marks, watch: |
| 18:07.18 | Cidan | Trixer: Quit trolling, jeez. |
| 18:07.52 | Shirik | oh you will care! |
| 18:07.58 | Cidan | What? |
| 18:07.59 | Cidan | I do! |
| 18:08.01 | Cidan | Really! |
| 18:08.06 | Lopeppeppy | If you don't have one, I'm going to come steal Consipiracy! |
| 18:08.12 | Lopeppeppy | It's a plot to steal your Conspiracy!! |
| 18:08.24 | Cidan | Oh shit, thank you for reminding me |
| 18:08.26 | Cidan | SVN commit time |
| 18:08.30 | Lopeppeppy | Yes dear. |
| 18:09.10 | Shirik | ok seriously I have to go |
| 18:09.27 | |Jelly| | So I've decided that I need to fraps myself flying through Sholazar Basin on my helicopter and put it to some vietnam era music! |
| 18:09.32 | ^kiki^ | Hi guys, got a question for you |
| 18:09.37 | ^kiki^ | Consider this simple macro "/use insert_mount_name \n /cast Travel Form" |
| 18:09.41 | Lopeppeppy | Travel safely, Shirik. And happy holidays. |
| 18:09.42 | ^kiki^ | Now if I'm moving, on one account the travel form is casted, and on another account it's not (macro stopped at the "cannot do while moving" error) |
| 18:09.53 | Cidan | Shirik: wutwut |
| 18:10.26 | ^kiki^ | I tried to copy all config (wtf files) from the account to the other one, no change.. is it a server side var not identical on both accounts ? |
| 18:10.29 | cog|work | ^kiki^: do you have any interface settings different? Maybe "secure ability toggle" is interfering? |
| 18:10.38 | ^kiki^ | both checked |
| 18:10.39 | cog|work | or something along those lines |
| 18:10.55 | ^kiki^ | I checked every single UI option (from UI menu) |
| 18:11.03 | cog|work | ^kiki^: are they the same mounts? |
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| 18:11.09 | ^kiki^ | yes |
| 18:11.27 | ^kiki^ | (and it looks like all UI options are CVars saved on WTF files |
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| 18:11.32 | Shirik | bleeter: ping |
| 18:11.34 | cog|work | not all of them |
| 18:11.38 | Trixer | pong? |
| 18:11.40 | cog|work | some are set in Saved Variables |
| 18:11.42 | ^kiki^ | so my guess is there is a server-stored var that is different |
| 18:12.02 | ^kiki^ | well, I copied the whole wtf folder (with char name changed) |
| 18:12.04 | cog|work | and there's a few that are just stored individually |
| 18:12.30 | ^kiki^ | it was working fine prior wow 3.0 on both accounts |
| 18:13.08 | ^kiki^ | on my account, every time I use a /cast something that cannot be casted, the macro is stopped |
| 18:13.23 | ^kiki^ | (tried on multiple computers, clean WTF) |
| 18:13.42 | erikd | shirik: have you done anything with backing up your linode to S3? |
| 18:13.44 | cog|work | well, it's not really the macro that's stopped, just subsequent spell casting |
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| 18:13.50 | Shirik | S3? |
| 18:13.56 | cog|work | and that's how it's supposed to be if they're affected by GCD |
| 18:14.01 | erikd | amazon's stimple storage service |
| 18:14.06 | Shirik | nope |
| 18:14.16 | cog|work | i can't think of any reason it would be behaving differently on different toons though... |
| 18:14.25 | cog|work | besides settings |
| 18:14.25 | ^kiki^ | I thought GCD was not triggered if spell failed? |
| 18:14.46 | cog|work | no, but subsequent GCD spells are blocked in the same macro as if it were |
| 18:14.47 | ^kiki^ | (failed locally) |
| 18:15.14 | cog|work | to prevent fallthrough logic |
| 18:15.21 | cog|work | like /cast Execute /cast Mortal Strike |
| 18:15.46 | ^kiki^ | well, this macro has always been working though :p |
| 18:15.55 | ^kiki^ | except on my druid since 3.0 |
| 18:15.57 | cog|work | yeah which is why i'm a bit perplexed |
| 18:16.12 | cog|work | but it works on a different druid? |
| 18:16.16 | ^kiki^ | maybe because it's a "mount" cast, not a "real" spell |
| 18:16.22 | ^kiki^ | my wife's yes |
| 18:16.50 | Corr-work | do you both have the same levels of the spells/abilities? |
| 18:17.15 | ^kiki^ | we used to, now she leveled :p |
| 18:17.37 | ^kiki^ | but hmm, when LK launched, neither could she use the macro |
| 18:17.41 | Corr-work | once you level, check again to see if it works. maybe it's a thing. |
| 18:17.52 | ^kiki^ | then 3.0.3 came out, and it worked again for her, not me |
| 18:18.00 | Corr-work | bug, that's it. with a specific level or two of one of the abilities. |
| 18:18.17 | ^kiki^ | well the ability is still the same |
| 18:18.26 | ^kiki^ | Frostwolf howler, and Travel form |
| 18:18.36 | Corr-work | ah |
| 18:18.39 | ^kiki^ | works with any other mount though |
| 18:18.44 | ^kiki^ | (for her) |
| 18:18.58 | cog|work | ^kiki^: do you have access to the us forums? you might want to post about this experience... the blues may have a better idea of what's going on |
| 18:19.04 | abyx | i need some assistance here. What are the lvl70 and lvl80 flasks that when buffed don't have "flask" in the name of the tooltip of the buff. (ex [Flask of Distilled Wisdom]s buff is only "Distilled Wisdom") need the same for elixirs too |
| 18:19.09 | Corr-work | bug report forum? |
| 18:19.16 | ^kiki^ | no :/ that's why I so pissed every time I have a suggestion or bug to report |
| 18:19.17 | cog|work | i'd say UI & Macros |
| 18:19.24 | Corr-work | ah yes |
| 18:19.41 | ^kiki^ | and... wel... the european forum is... well... cannot find proper word :p |
| 18:19.42 | cog|work | ^kiki^: could you write something up describing the problem and what we've discussed? |
| 18:19.46 | cog|work | i'll post it on your behalf |
| 18:19.52 | cog|work | stick it up on pastey.net |
| 18:19.59 | Corr-work | abyx: you can look up the buff names on wowhead, although you'd have to look through every flask and elixir |
| 18:20.16 | abyx | thats what i don't want to do =( |
| 18:20.16 | Corr-work | i believe they are linked to the items, so you can find them from the item's page |
| 18:20.31 | ^kiki^ | I guess I can, not now but tomorrow |
| 18:27.18 | foxlit | GetItemSpell? |
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| 18:30.19 | Industrial | so with the achievements for quests in mid does blizzard now save quest names you have done? |
| 18:31.12 | Industrial | mind* |
| 18:31.20 | alestane | They've always saved what quests you have completed, that keeps you from doing them over again. |
| 18:31.28 | alestane | They just don't share that information with the client. |
| 18:32.59 | Industrial | bummer |
| 18:33.09 | Industrial | i just want to know what i havent done yet and do it |
| 18:33.21 | Industrial | eventually do all of wow |
| 18:33.21 | Industrial | :p |
| 18:33.29 | alestane | Low-level quest tracking is your friend then. |
| 18:36.21 | Industrial | yeah but i already have 3 areas in wotlk where i dont even have the achievement and i cant find any quests |
| 18:36.24 | Industrial | :| |
| 18:36.38 | Industrial | however, 80 first, other stuff later! |
| 18:36.40 | Industrial | almost 79 :) |
| 18:36.46 | foxlit | Meh |
| 18:36.49 | foxlit | where? |
| 18:37.05 | abyx | thats because one usually one quest will unlock a whole faction full of quests in northrend |
| 18:38.03 | Industrial | dragonblight, grizzly hills and zul'drak (but i still need to do the instance quests) |
| 18:38.52 | zenzelezz | did you do the goblin quests in northern middle Dragonblight? |
| 18:39.10 | Industrial | i just did [Minesweeper] it was fun ;P |
| 18:39.13 | Industrial | yes i did |
| 18:39.20 | Industrial | i didnt do the center tower thing yet I think |
| 18:39.25 | Industrial | didnt see/get quests there :s |
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| 18:39.47 | zenzelezz | Wyrmrest Temple? There'll be a few there eventually |
| 18:39.52 | zenzelezz | are you alliance or horde? |
| 18:39.56 | Industrial | alliance |
| 18:39.57 | foxlit | so you didn't do your faction's introduction to that either |
| 18:40.07 | foxlit | in short, fail! |
| 18:40.49 | Industrial | ;P |
| 18:41.34 | Lyn | The ashbringer... |
| 18:48.17 | bleeter | Shirik: pong |
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| 18:52.14 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following free migration is scheduled to last until Tuesday, December 1st. . |
| 18:52.14 | Shiibot | To the NEW realm named Chamber of Aspects: Aerie Peak, Alonsus, Arathor, Azjol-Nerub, Bloodhoof, Draenor, Dragonblight, Emerald Dream, Eonar, Lightbringer, Shadowsong, Stormrage, Thunderhorn, Turalyon, Quel'thalas. |
| 18:52.14 | Shiibot | Al'Akir --> Dentarg, Xavius. Argent Dawn --> Darkmoon Faire, Steamwheedle Cartel, The Sha'tar. Burning Legion --> Ahn'Qiraj, Daggerspine. Crushridge --> Bladefist, Karazhan. Drak'thul --> Burning Blade, Deathwing |
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| 18:54.23 | Industrial | is there something that will tell you if your target is going to die from the damage thats going to come from dots on it? |
| 18:54.38 | Industrial | a "can i leave this one alone" addon |
| 18:54.38 | Industrial | :P |
| 18:54.54 | alestane | Sounds like a great project. |
| 18:55.18 | Industrial | warlocks would hug me amirite |
| 18:55.26 | Corr-work | urrite |
| 18:55.35 | bleeter | Shirik: WHUT? you ping me @ 05:10AM, not two minutes after saying that you have to go? Don't you realise your ping set off the alarm bells here and dragged my sorry ass outta bed just to answer you?! :P |
| 18:55.39 | cog|work | wtb a vista-like start menu for xp that isn't full of fail... |
| 18:55.57 | Industrial | 2000 start menu ftw |
| 18:56.07 | bleeter | wfw start menu ftw |
| 18:56.09 | Industrial | actually, I just use an applauncher (launchy) |
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| 18:56.52 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, bleeter. |
| 18:57.15 | cog|work | bleeter: no results... |
| 18:57.17 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: whuts so good about getting dragged outta bed by a ping from a loser who then afks????? |
| 18:57.27 | Lopeppeppy | You have lots of time to cook turkey now. |
| 18:57.27 | bleeter | ~fail cog|work |
| 18:57.28 | purl | cog|work: FAIL! |
| 18:57.38 | cog|work | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&hs=imP&q=%22wfw+start+menu%22&btnG=Search |
| 18:57.38 | bleeter | ~fail Lopeppeppy |
| 18:57.39 | purl | Lopeppeppy, you Fail! |
| 18:58.19 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: why the HELL would I celebrate some US holiday? |
| 18:58.36 | bleeter | particularly one that's about how the natives saved you lot, just before you give them the pox? |
| 18:58.45 | Lopeppeppy | owies, go back to bed, bleeter. And set the ping alarm lower so it doesn't wake you up next time. |
| 18:58.51 | bleeter | kk |
| 18:59.02 | abyx | :| |
| 18:59.03 | bleeter | gnight folks |
| 18:59.11 | Corr-work | 'ni |
| 18:59.31 | Corr-work | pings shouldn't wake you, i agree. maybe if you have something set to respond to CTCP PAGE, that could. |
| 18:59.35 | cog|work | Industrial: launchy is exactly the particular feature i was hoping for |
| 18:59.36 | Corr-work | or maybe a ctcp WAKE |
| 19:04.29 | Corr-work | ctcp BLEETER_GTF_IN_HERE |
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| 19:06.01 | Lunessa | cog|work: You no likee stardock? |
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| 19:06.36 | abyx | what kind of "work" are you at that leaves you some irc time? |
| 19:07.00 | cog|work | i don't need a whole new UI... just wanted the ability to type what i want to get at in the start menu |
| 19:07.28 | Lunessa | cog|work: Dr. Quon understand. |
| 19:07.46 | cog|work | ps: OHAI |
| 19:08.26 | Lunessa | hai2u2 |
| 19:09.31 | Lunessa | Must. Get. Level. 80. TONIGHT!!!one11 |
| 19:10.03 | malreth | hamburrrrger day for the mistress: http://twitpic.com/o7is |
| 19:10.04 | cog|work | i just dinged 22 |
| 19:10.05 | cog|work | :P |
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| 19:10.21 | Trixer | I hate thanksgiving |
| 19:10.23 | Trixer | screw the indians! |
| 19:10.38 | Trixer | Why couldnt they have ate their own food and left out banks alone! |
| 19:10.53 | Lunessa | malreth: Now I'm really hungry. Thanks. |
| 19:10.55 | Trixer | no offense to any indians here that maybe watching... |
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| 19:11.12 | malreth | Trixer: Everybody knows it was the Jews' fault |
| 19:11.17 | Trixer | lmao |
| 19:11.20 | Corr-work | the jews ruined thanksgiving |
| 19:11.30 | malreth | and the Irish |
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| 19:11.48 | Corr-work | the Irish lied to me. that is NOT cream. |
| 19:11.55 | KarlKFI | oh yeah.... 4 day weekend, woot |
| 19:12.15 | Lunessa | "We'll give some land to the ______ and the _____ but we don't want the Irish!" |
| 19:12.17 | Corr-work | i don't know why the holiday is on a thursday but only lasts one day |
| 19:12.21 | KarlKFI | maybe i should gather up some bums for a family dinner |
| 19:12.33 | Corr-work | friday around here is a skeleton crew, and might as well not happen at all |
| 19:12.34 | Lopeppeppy | Are y'all just looking to raise the bar on random offensiveness? I know that we're a relaxed crowd most of the time, but y'all just sometimes step right across into determined offense. |
| 19:12.41 | alestane | malreth: That a Fuddrucker's wrapper or what? |
| 19:12.45 | KarlKFI | we get friday off too |
| 19:12.54 | malreth | alestane: Texadelphia |
| 19:12.59 | Corr-work | lucky >:o i'm taking friday off, but it comes out of my vacation time |
| 19:13.14 | Lunessa | malreth: Now I wish I was in Austin. |
| 19:13.31 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: I *AM* the bar on random offensiveness |
| 19:13.33 | Corr-work | Lopeppeppy: we're being completely silly, and hopefully anybody who sees this will not think i'm actually angry at Irish people for Irish Cream being an alcohol product and not merely dairy |
| 19:14.07 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, I know, and I base my comment on the fact that you're sort of letting yourself degenerate into random hate this week, not your usual directed attacks. |
| 19:14.35 | Corr-work | thanksgiving is a time to show thanks for your many possible targets :D |
| 19:15.09 | bleeter | I dunno, I find random hate just as offensive as having one culture's holiday practices forced down the throat of another |
| 19:15.10 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: it's because i have really bad diarrhea this week... i'm displacing my anger outward |
| 19:15.13 | bleeter | but that's just me |
| 19:15.26 | Lopeppeppy | Bleeter dear, I thought you were gonna go nap? |
| 19:15.36 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: i hope you have a wonderful thanksgiving. :D |
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| 19:15.57 | KarlKFI | you dont have to celebrate, you jsut have to take the day off. QQ |
| 19:16.02 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: I did. Can't you tell? :P |
| 19:16.19 | Lopeppeppy | OIC. My apologizes for distracting your zombie-alt from the brain farming. |
| 19:16.39 | KarlKFI | rofl |
| 19:18.11 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: aussie have a public holiday fanaticism matched by barely any other culture. hell, we'd invade new zealand if there was any chance of an extra public holiday out of it. still, I doubt we'd take some weird seppo thing ;) |
| 19:18.34 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: because of your concern, i will reign in the random vile... but only if i can torment one person... just one |
| 19:18.44 | bleeter | maybe if you changed the turkey into ... roo... and had lots of beer involved as well.. it might happen |
| 19:18.47 | Lunessa | Ahh.. entertainment: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12666204915&sid=1 |
| 19:19.11 | bleeter | but I'll be stuffed if I'm cooking turkey in 30+ celcius degree heat (pun intended) |
| 19:19.20 | foxlit | Hm, so there are no 80 pvp rewards yet |
| 19:20.03 | Lunessa | bleeter: It's ok, we don't import our holidays either. And I thinkn you ought to invade NZ. I'd get a good lauch out of watching your military shoot sheep. |
| 19:20.21 | Corr-work | "Thoq already say No Keylogger Troll allowed! No more post bad link. " -- i enjoy this, thanks, Lunessa |
| 19:20.37 | Thrae | kneeki: Alright, seems I had a voltage problem, since now I can boot with memory at 2.1v instead of 2.0v (both had to be set manually, it autos to 1.8v) |
| 19:21.05 | Lunessa | Me too. Thoq is funny, even if he can be an unpleasant opponent. |
| 19:21.11 | Thrae | Now let's see how quickly OCCT errors. I give it 10 seconds. |
| 19:21.18 | kneeki | Thrae: Are you overclocking your RAM at all? I thought you were running @ stock on ram with an OC'd CPU? |
| 19:21.40 | Thrae | kneeki: Ram at 1000MHz, that's what it's rated for |
| 19:22.02 | kneeki | You shouldn't have to up your memory voltage then. Did you up your North Bridge ? |
| 19:22.12 | Corr-work | you do have to increase the memory voltage if the motherboard doesn't automatically |
| 19:22.24 | Corr-work | most "overclocked" memory is designed for 2.1v instead of the standard 1.8v |
| 19:22.26 | kneeki | Not if his RAM is not OC'd |
| 19:22.41 | Corr-work | well, "rated" is not the same as "stock" |
| 19:23.42 | alestane | They just gave my voidwalker credit for defeating the Murkblood twins. |
| 19:23.56 | Corr-work | my memory is verified by the manufacturer for use at 1066mhz at 2.1v with specific timings, and the SPD info reflects this. my motherboard automatically set it at 2.1v and set the memory strapping to what it takes to reach 1066mhz |
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| 19:24.28 | Corr-work | if i mess with the settings manually, i have to specify 2.1v or, lol, no boot :( |
| 19:24.34 | kneeki | Well yeah |
| 19:24.42 | kneeki | It depends on if you have your memory linked to your FSB or not |
| 19:25.14 | kneeki | Run unlinked memory, set your FSB at whatever you want for your CPU OC, then run your RAM @ stock or lower to make sure that you're not limiting your CPU OC by your memory |
| 19:25.24 | Corr-work | the standard for DDR2 is 800mhz on the memory, and i think ddr3 is significantly higher than 1000mhz, so when he said 1000mhz i assumed it's overclocked DDr2 |
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| 19:25.35 | Corr-work | notice how i capitalized that three different ways |
| 19:25.44 | kneeki | I think DDR3 is like 1200Mhz |
| 19:25.54 | kneeki | for the lowest DDR3 |
| 19:26.04 | Lunessa | <3 Seerah http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13116251780&sid=1#16 |
| 19:26.07 | Corr-work | yeah, that's probably it. DDR1 400mhz, 2 800mhz, 3 1200mhz. |
| 19:26.34 | Corr-work | i don't think i can unlink my memory on my motherboard, but i can adjust the multiplier |
| 19:28.01 | alestane | They seem to expect you to have off tanks for these gladiator fights in Nagrand. |
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| 19:28.14 | Corr-work | not that it does me any good, since as i mentioned, the FSB refuses to run at anything but 333... |
| 19:28.33 | kneeki | Corr-work: Up the vCore? |
| 19:28.33 | Corr-work | alestane: the ring of blood? depends on your tank, i suppose, but it's doable with one |
| 19:29.29 | Corr-work | kneeki: i have tried all sorts of things, and the forums i visited had a few stories about this motherboard not being able to OC under certain mysterious circumstances, possibly the brand of memory |
| 19:29.29 | Lopeppeppy | It always helped that I had a druid tank who could carefully CC |
| 19:29.30 | kneeki | Ah |
| 19:29.30 | alestane | Corr-work: It's just me and my voidwalker. Rokdar the Sundered Lord seems to auto-switch aggro and I only get one Soulshatter. |
| 19:30.03 | Corr-work | i couldn't even increase it from 333 to 350, minor increase or not. in fact, i think i tried underclocking everything and it still didn't work. |
| 19:30.08 | Corr-work | *minor voltage increase or not |
| 19:30.51 | Lunessa | alestane: ouch. Soloing that is hard. |
| 19:31.11 | alestane | Not nearly as hard since 3.0. I soloed the first two. |
| 19:31.24 | Corr-work | i don't remember aggro being lost, although i do remember that one of the guys occasionally charges at another person |
| 19:31.39 | alestane | And maybe it'll work if I just give Thokphog a little more head start. |
| 19:31.55 | alestane | It's just hard because now I use damage to help keep him up. |
| 19:32.40 | Industrial | lololol @ feral 4pc bonus |
| 19:33.59 | Lunessa | alestane: I tried soloing it as an enhancement shaman. I got close, but the final boss pwnt me. |
| 19:35.52 | ScytheBlade1 | And there's 74 |
| 19:35.56 | ScytheBlade1 | 6 more to go! |
| 19:42.00 | abyx | wow...i'm looking at all the addon message sent by people in my guild... theres so much... stuff |
| 19:42.24 | abyx | i didn't think addons send so much data |
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| 19:44.36 | Lunessa | And you wonder why blizzard throttles chat... |
| 19:45.05 | Corr-work | malreth, why must you be so norwegian |
| 19:45.06 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 19:45.12 | NightHawkTheSane | while i'm sure i deserved that... ow... |
| 19:46.01 | Trixer | and people always wonder why I wear my cup in IRC chat! |
| 19:46.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm going to guess it's because otherwise there would be a line of people to kick you in the nuts |
| 19:47.19 | Trixer | Only after I camped them for hours straight |
| 19:48.01 | Trixer | Speaking of camping, what server you play on Night? |
| 19:48.16 | Lunessa | You have to understand, kicking people in the nuts is how malreth says "hi." If you get invited to a party, wear a cup. |
| 19:48.25 | Trixer | haha |
| 19:49.23 | Trixer | At least Mal hasnt invested in steal toes yet.. ouchies... |
| 19:50.09 | malreth | wait until you try to walk |
| 19:50.21 | Trixer | heh |
| 19:50.58 | Trixer | No wait until you get a wiff of them toes |
| 19:51.03 | Trixer | then we will see who has the last laugh! |
| 19:51.48 | Lunessa | Haha... I just saw a post from a level 79 DK called "Bobfromsales" |
| 19:51.56 | cog|work | rofl |
| 19:53.08 | NightHawkTheSane | on my old server, there used to be a guild called 'Accounting' |
| 19:53.15 | abyx | laughing skull? |
| 19:53.36 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 19:53.45 | abyx | i was Ped on laughing skull ;) |
| 19:53.50 | abyx | transferred though |
| 19:54.00 | NightHawkTheSane | same, quite a while ago :P |
| 19:57.02 | Corr-work | so at my parents' home, there's a computer running vista, connected to a non-wireless router which is the internet econnection point |
| 19:57.23 | Corr-work | think i can attach a wireless adapater to that computer and have it provide secure wireless access to my laptop? |
| 19:57.48 | cog|work | i think so |
| 19:57.49 | abyx | ad-hoc |
| 19:57.52 | cog|work | it would be an ad-hoc network |
| 19:58.02 | Corr-work | i should try to figure out how to set that up |
| 19:58.20 | Corr-work | this article called "How to Set Up Ad Hoc Wireless Network in Windows Vista" might help |
| 19:58.21 | Tekkub | set up an adhoc then bridge them |
| 19:58.41 | cog|work | Corr-work: i'd have to agree |
| 19:58.42 | cog|work | :P |
| 19:58.55 | Lunessa | And it's right in the help file |
| 19:58.59 | Lunessa | zomg |
| 19:59.16 | Corr-work | looks pretty simple |
| 20:00.12 | Trixer | CorrL |
| 20:00.28 | Trixer | Erm Corr: It wont work like that] |
| 20:00.47 | |pez| | Soo.. is Nagrand good for Adamantite? |
| 20:00.48 | Trixer | Corr: You would need to attach a device to your computer that will allow for incoming connections, and im not sure a normal wireless device will let you connect like that |
| 20:01.06 | Tekkub | it will work |
| 20:01.10 | Corr-work | i'll give it a try. if it doesn't, i'll just use the cable like usual. |
| 20:01.23 | Tekkub | just adhoc and bridge the wireless and wired on the box that has both |
| 20:01.38 | Trixer | Tekk: Thats pretty kewl, I might check into that, I never knew you could do that. I know you can share the connection on a computer, I just didnt know a wireless device would do it. |
| 20:01.46 | Trixer | Tekk: Ahh I guess that makes sense. |
| 20:02.02 | Tekkub | it's NOT sharing... sharing creates a NAT |
| 20:02.10 | zenzelezz | |pez|: yes |
| 20:02.13 | Trixer | Ohh ok. |
| 20:02.17 | Corr-work | if your router runs a DHCP service, which just about every one should, it will give your thing an IP and all |
| 20:02.21 | |pez| | zenzelezz: yay ^^ |
| 20:02.28 | Tekkub | and that's a major pain if the NATting box isn't directly connected to the modem |
| 20:02.34 | Trixer | Corr: Yeah, my DHCP is shut off on my route cause my DSL modem does it. |
| 20:03.13 | Corr-work | well, that'd do :) |
| 20:03.45 | Trixer | Corr: Haha yeah I know it works wonders, I think it takes a bit of the strain off my router too which is nice, but that could just be speculation, or really not important. |
| 20:04.24 | Trixer | So has anyone seen that DC vrs Mortal combat or whatever... I am kind of looking forward to that game. |
| 20:04.47 | Tekkub | DHCP is a strain on your router? |
| 20:04.48 | Corr-work | i've seen an advertisement or something. i don't get into fightan vidyas, though. |
| 20:05.21 | Trixer | I like some, I was a real big fan of the soul caliber series... and this one just looks apealing to me to fight batman vrs radian or something haha |
| 20:07.04 | Tekkub | wewt, just broke 20k on my scripter |
| 20:07.07 | Thrae | kneeki: Hmmm, 3.6GHz has OCCT freeze the computer, despite the temps still staying below 55c. Let's try a more calm 3.0GHz... |
| 20:07.28 | kneeki | Thrae: More volts |
| 20:07.38 | kneeki | You cooling with water, or air? |
| 20:07.41 | Trixer | Thrae: More power |
| 20:07.43 | b_f_w | MOAR JIGGAWATTS |
| 20:08.00 | Corr-work | *grunt* |
| 20:08.01 | Thrae | kneeki: 1.45 CPU / 1.40 FSB is the automatic setting |
| 20:08.03 | Tekkub | I cool with liquid nitrogen |
| 20:08.20 | kneeki | Thrae: 1.45!! |
| 20:08.23 | b_f_w | I cool with my personality |
| 20:08.23 | Corr-work | i cool with solid oxygen |
| 20:08.40 | kneeki | I run @ 3.4Ghz with 1.34 volts, back it way down |
| 20:08.40 | Corr-work | 1.45 is the limit for "safe" voltage on 45nm CPU's |
| 20:08.58 | Thrae | This is a Q6600 |
| 20:09.01 | kneeki | you may need more volts on your northbridge |
| 20:09.04 | Corr-work | or something |
| 20:09.18 | Corr-work | and the 65nm's can do 1.6v or something. man, i'd have to go review. |
| 20:09.26 | MoonWolf | my mates little homemade server doesn't cool, they only thing in it to make noise is the hd when its spinning. |
| 20:09.52 | Tekkub | okey... it's freakey when you notice your toons footsteps match the beat in the song you're listeneing to |
| 20:09.53 | Thrae | I have like four computers in this room, it's already hot and noisy ;) |
| 20:10.18 | Thrae | Hell my monitor is powered by a 220w PSU. |
| 20:10.36 | Trixer | lmao |
| 20:10.45 | Trixer | wow and I thought my two + a laptop was nerdy enough! |
| 20:10.47 | Thrae | kneeki: http://www.matts-hosting.com/~generalmx/my_systems.txt |
| 20:10.53 | Trixer | your boardering internet cafe status there Thrae! |
| 20:10.54 | Thrae | Oh, I also have a laptop too |
| 20:11.04 | Thrae | That's one of the four computers |
| 20:11.34 | Trixer | haha |
| 20:11.37 | MoonWolf | why is your router a pc ? |
| 20:11.48 | MoonWolf | i mean, does it really need that much configurability ? |
| 20:11.50 | Thrae | MoonWolf: Far more flexibility that way |
| 20:12.05 | Thrae | Unless I want to drop like $200+ on a decent router, yes |
| 20:13.07 | Thrae | Also has gigabit in, which is nice for FiOS when they switch to gigabit |
| 20:13.07 | Trixer | You dont think its a big overkilled? |
| 20:13.39 | cog|work | what kind of flexibility do you really need when you've "only" got 4 machines behind it? :P |
| 20:13.53 | Thrae | Nah, I like the ability to physically separate different networks in the house (me, my grandfather's, the wireless, voip, etc.), each with its own physical inteface. |
| 20:13.53 | Codayus_ | Depends what the machines are running. :) |
| 20:13.55 | Corr-work | why ask what you really need, when you could ask what you can get? |
| 20:13.59 | Thrae | cog|work: Four machines *in this room* |
| 20:14.19 | Corr-work | cog is thinking like an Al. Thrae knows what it is to be a Tim. |
| 20:14.19 | cog|work | heh |
| 20:14.57 | Trixer | Man... I think I need to turn in my nerd card. |
| 20:15.06 | Trixer | I am starting to wonder if I deserve it.. |
| 20:15.12 | Thrae | There's also the HTPC in the Living Room (just hooked up to a 1920x1200 monitor instead of a TV), and my grandfather's desktop computer in his computer room and my grandfather's laptop. He loves that laptop, despite its dead battery. |
| 20:15.24 | Trixer | I hear the "kewl kids klub" is handing out cards now anyways... |
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| 20:16.04 | Tekkub | I've known a LOT of people that own laptops that must be plugged in at all times.. |
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| 20:16.15 | Trixer | Mee too Tek. |
| 20:16.18 | Trixer | Your like like WTF.. |
| 20:16.42 | Tekkub | ... you know you could make a desktop that's a lot more powerful for LESS MONEY right?... |
| 20:16.42 | Thrae | Even batteryless laptops are still more convenient then setting up a monitor, keyboard, and mouse |
| 20:17.32 | Trixer | Never... |
| 20:18.08 | Thrae | Tekkub: Yeah, that's not the point of owning a batteryless laptop. You'd better equate it to a microtower with an integrated keyboard and LCD. |
| 20:18.13 | Trixer | Convevence over power.. why should I? |
| 20:18.26 | Tekkub | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Area+52&n=Ishwar |
| 20:18.28 | Tekkub | FUCK HIM! |
| 20:18.35 | Tekkub | he's my main competiton on the AH |
| 20:18.48 | Tekkub | granted, he's churning out gems still, I'm doing glyphs now |
| 20:18.57 | Thrae | Especially if you just play solitare, minesweeper, spider, and do word processing and the internet, etc. |
| 20:19.20 | Trixer | Woot Minesweeper... |
| 20:19.41 | Thrae | My grandfather is almost an expert at minesweeper. He's been playing it since the 3.1 days. |
| 20:20.03 | Tekkub | minesweeper's easy unless you get stuck in a spot where you're forced to make a guess |
| 20:20.13 | Thrae | But stubborn old man, he didn't like Linux as much until I showed him how to play it under WINE. |
| 20:20.13 | Trixer | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/Backward-2008-09-12.aspx |
| 20:20.16 | Trixer | haha ^^ |
| 20:20.31 | Thrae | My grandfather's desktop runs Ubuntu, since that's all he needs. |
| 20:21.32 | Thrae | kneeki: Well so far I'm getting as high as 60c on 3.0GHz with those voltages I said before. Do you think my problem is overvoltage and not undervoltage? |
| 20:22.02 | kneeki | Thrae: If you're running a @6600 at 3.0Ghz with 1.45 volts, you are running way to high |
| 20:23.10 | Thrae | kneeki: But the NB voltage might be too low? |
| 20:23.51 | kneeki | Put your NB voltage one or two clicks up from stock, and put your CPU @ 1.3 volts, see if it boots. |
| 20:24.15 | Thrae | On 3.0GHz or 3.6GHz? My goal is 3.6. |
| 20:24.35 | kneeki | hmm |
| 20:24.49 | kneeki | Put it at 1.38 vCore @ 3.6Ghz. See what happens |
| 20:24.55 | kneeki | set your NB voltage to auto for now |
| 20:25.23 | Thrae | Do you have a X48/n78x or X38/n7xx? |
| 20:26.24 | kneeki | I can't remember |
| 20:26.27 | kneeki | I'm at work atm |
| 20:26.31 | Thrae | I have a 750i myself, so my stability takes a little hit. nVidia never had a prayer compared to Intel, and don't get me started on Via... |
| 20:26.59 | kneeki | Here is my mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188027&Tpk=ftw |
| 20:27.08 | kneeki | 780i |
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| 20:27.44 | kneeki | Enthusiast BIOS Enhanced = win |
| 20:28.01 | Thunder_Child | 64GB flash drive....handy little sucker |
| 20:28.07 | Thunder_Child | $112 |
| 20:28.14 | kneeki | wow |
| 20:28.38 | Trixer | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/ding/page0001.aspx |
| 20:29.13 | Trixer | Yeah.. I will continue to post all the comics that make me giggle in a manner that the man in the next cubical pears over the top and gives me a very disgruntled look.. |
| 20:29.58 | Thunder_Child | disgruntled...or disturbed... |
| 20:30.04 | Trixer | Both! |
| 20:30.41 | Trixer | What would be even better if that person who keeps giving me them dirty looks when I Giggle was in this IRC channel.. I would tell you to stop giving me dirty looks and do your job.. or read my posts and giggle |
| 20:31.05 | Thunder_Child | not everyone is as disturbed as you |
| 20:31.16 | Thunder_Child | only disturbed people idle here |
| 20:31.24 | Trixer | Im not idling :P |
| 20:31.48 | Thunder_Child | you are here for other than a question or addon info...your idling |
| 20:32.40 | Trixer | Well I ask for addon info when I need it... |
| 20:34.22 | Thunder_Child | yes, but you are here for more than that |
| 20:35.24 | Trixer | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/ding/page0012.aspx |
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| 20:36.14 | Lunessa | I'm here for the free food and to leer suggestively at Cairenn. |
| 20:36.31 | Trixer | Same.. well with out the leering part.. |
| 20:36.34 | Trixer | I perfer to oogle... |
| 20:37.09 | Lunessa | I've been leering at Cairenn since... mmm.. launc of EQUI? |
| 20:37.16 | Cairenn | :) |
| 20:37.49 | Industrial | Lok'Lira the Crone <- i cant find this mob :( |
| 20:38.13 | Kimmeh | The questgiver is looking at her i think :) |
| 20:38.38 | Trixer | Better get some tusks! |
| 20:39.17 | Industrial | really, http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=29975, I can't find her :P |
| 20:39.53 | Corr-work | that's... unusual |
| 20:40.06 | Kimmeh | Once you get ot of the mountain cave thingy she is straight forward abit to the right, outside a hut |
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| 20:41.10 | zenzelezz | Industrial: you did the quest where you find her inside the tunnel first? |
| 20:41.16 | Industrial | no |
| 20:41.35 | zenzelezz | that could be why |
| 20:41.49 | Trixer | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/ding/page0023.aspx |
| 20:42.02 | Trixer | Im sorry but jokes about orphans are always funny.. |
| 20:42.05 | Lunessa | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202 - *wistful sigh* |
| 20:42.10 | zenzelezz | Industrial: you get a quest in K3 where you're going to go there and free someone, and you end up talking to her in the tunnel |
| 20:42.17 | zenzelezz | unless I'm completely misremembering the name |
| 20:42.21 | Industrial | no thats it |
| 20:42.29 | Industrial | ty |
| 20:42.34 | Thunder_Child | Trixer, #11 got me laughing |
| 20:43.02 | Trixer | erm wwhat number was the one I just posted? |
| 20:43.11 | Thunder_Child | 23 |
| 20:43.22 | Trixer | ahh which one was the number 11 one? |
| 20:43.33 | Thunder_Child | pvp |
| 20:43.38 | Thunder_Child | reverse psych |
| 20:43.42 | Thunder_Child | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/ding/page0011.aspx |
| 20:43.42 | Corr-work | Lunessa: what is this i7 thing? |
| 20:43.52 | Thunder_Child | Corr-work, new, very very good cpu |
| 20:43.54 | Lunessa | New intel cpu. |
| 20:44.07 | Lunessa | it's.... smoking fast. |
| 20:44.10 | Trixer | ahh yeah TC that one was funny |
| 20:44.15 | Trixer | and for gods sake dont kill anything |
| 20:44.29 | Corr-work | interesting |
| 20:44.36 | b_f_w | dunno if this is old news... http://kotaku.com/5099364/maxim-makes-mortal-kombat-announcer-say-tickle-him |
| 20:48.20 | Lunessa | Hrm. Two hours left... and I still haven't taken lunch. |
| 20:48.28 | Thunder_Child | you are old news bleeter |
| 20:48.39 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, meybe it will be on sale this fridya |
| 20:48.42 | Thunder_Child | friday* |
| 20:49.16 | Trixer | two hours left and 4 days of straight up freedom |
| 20:49.27 | Corr-work | it requires a new socket type... |
| 20:49.29 | Trixer | im talkinga bout sleeping until 2 in the after noon walking around the house in my boxers |
| 20:49.30 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: It's ok, I really can't afford the coin to buy a new mobo, power supply, and cpu right now anyway. |
| 20:49.35 | Trixer | no worrys or cares ahh it will be great |
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| 20:50.28 | Lunessa | Especially when my current computer is entirely adequate for every thing I ask of it. |
| 20:50.31 | Trixer | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/ding/Ding-2008-09-04.aspx |
| 20:50.51 | Corr-work | why name it "Nehalem" instead of "Niflheim" i cannot imagine |
| 20:51.34 | Trixer | I havent attempted it yet... but hows the grind to 70-80 |
| 20:51.36 | Corr-work | should not all processors be named after norse mythology? |
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| 20:52.27 | Corr-work | but if this new CPU is so awesome, why is it only $300? |
| 20:52.34 | Corr-work | intel doesn't have a habit of making their stuff cheap |
| 20:52.58 | Corr-work | ah, it's because it's "the slow one" |
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| 20:53.11 | Thunder_Child | it's also the best |
| 20:53.11 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 20:53.29 | Thunder_Child | the others arent worth it for the cost |
| 20:53.32 | Thunder_Child | only this one is |
| 20:53.43 | Corr-work | alright. but it does require a new socket type, right? |
| 20:53.59 | Lunessa | Yes. Which for me means new MoBo. |
| 20:54.27 | Shirik|Ecole | the airport is empty |
| 20:54.30 | Corr-work | indeed, i recently bought some of that stuff. maybe the next time i upgrade, in a few years, i'll aim for an i7. |
| 20:55.03 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, you seem to do a whole lot of flying |
| 20:55.12 | Thunder_Child | Corr-work, i think so |
| 20:55.13 | Shirik|Ecole | do I? |
| 20:55.26 | Thunder_Child | "CPU Socket Type LGA 1366" |
| 20:55.33 | Thunder_Child | seems |
| 20:55.34 | Thunder_Child | so |
| 20:56.09 | malreth | i need to pee... |
| 20:56.14 | Shirik|Ecole | then go pee? |
| 20:56.34 | Ezro | Can any addon creator help me with the mechanics of an addon I want to make? |
| 20:57.02 | Thunder_Child | ~asktoask |
| 20:57.03 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 20:57.07 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 20:57.10 | Corr-work | "IntelÂ’s code-named Nehalem processors have been discussed for years now, it's been pending for a long time and Intel's' marketing machine has been spinning for for a while." |
| 20:57.16 | foxlit | grumble grumble wowhead grumble grumble |
| 20:57.19 | Ezro | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19514 |
| 20:57.21 | Ezro | :) |
| 20:57.23 | Corr-work | but... i just bought some gear 2 months ago and i never heard a THING about i7 |
| 20:57.26 | Thunder_Child | HAH Shirik|Ecole |
| 20:57.42 | Corr-work | i read all sorts of reviews and stuff. their marketing machine sucks, or the sources i use for info suck. |
| 20:58.15 | Shirik|Ecole | also.... Shirik is online |
| 20:58.21 | Shirik|Ecole | that means I forgot to turn off my computer before I left home |
| 20:58.38 | Shirik|Ecole | Ezro: That forum post does not say anything new |
| 20:58.42 | Shirik|Ecole | It just makes me ~asktoask agasin |
| 20:58.43 | Corr-work | careful, now, really new CPU's can have some bugs |
| 20:58.52 | NeoTron | Corr-work: so can old one.. |
| 20:58.54 | Corr-work | i recommend waiting a couple of revisions |
| 20:58.54 | Ezro | Well there is more to it, I want to add features. |
| 20:59.03 | NeoTron | but alas I need a more computer now, not in a few revisions |
| 21:00.03 | Shirik|Ecole | however, I have fixed your post |
| 21:00.17 | Ezro | Thank you :) |
| 21:01.23 | bleeter | Shirik|Ecole: pong |
| 21:01.54 | foxlit | I'm holding out for i42 |
| 21:02.44 | Ezro | And I would say that post sums it up pretty nicely, I just want to try and make one addon that combines the two and adds new features, but I am looking for someone who knows about this to go over it with me to tell me what would be easy/hard, and the best way to go about getting this addon done. |
| 21:03.16 | Lunessa | pay me one million dollars! |
| 21:03.48 | bleeter | NO U |
| 21:03.52 | Ezro | Sure, let me just get by checkbook out. |
| 21:03.57 | Ezro | lol |
| 21:04.04 | jaxdahl2 | hmm... fastest way to scrape the armory to find out who has the most achievement points in my guild? |
| 21:04.37 | bleeter | Shirik|Ecole: you can't ssh back home and poweroff? |
| 21:04.49 | foxlit | jaxdahl2: there's probably only one way to do that anyway |
| 21:05.07 | Shirik|Ecole | bleeter: My home box is Windows |
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| 21:06.04 | bleeter | Shirik|Ecole: http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2002-02/msg00774.html |
| 21:06.07 | bleeter | afaik |
| 21:06.25 | Shirik|Ecole | fact of the matter is I can't ssh to my home box :P |
| 21:06.34 | bleeter | ~failrik |
| 21:06.35 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 21:07.06 | Ezro | Is it difficult to learn how to create addons? |
| 21:07.15 | Shirik|Ecole | do you know another language? |
| 21:07.18 | bleeter | yes, it sent me crazy |
| 21:07.18 | Lunessa | Shirik|Ecole: Is RDP running? |
| 21:07.19 | bleeter | crazier |
| 21:07.24 | Ezro | I know some c++. |
| 21:07.27 | Shirik|Ecole | Lunessa: Yes, but I don't think I can get through my firewall |
| 21:07.35 | Ezro | A little above basic, but not advanced at all. |
| 21:07.38 | Shirik|Ecole | do you actually know C++ or did you learn C++ at a high school |
| 21:07.40 | Lunessa | Well, you're hosed then. |
| 21:07.57 | jaxdahl2 | armory is throwing http 500 now :( |
| 21:08.27 | Ezro | I have taken 2 classes for c++, going for 3rd next semester. |
| 21:08.51 | Ezro | As I said, probably low intermediate level programmer. |
| 21:09.09 | Shirik|Ecole | and Lunessa, C++ is awesome, go diaf |
| 21:09.24 | Lunessa | Shirik|Ecole: Not him, you. |
| 21:09.35 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 21:09.46 | Lunessa | <--- Old C and C++ guy, remember? |
| 21:10.14 | Shirik|Ecole | batrick: ping |
| 21:10.23 | malreth | Obj-C has you all in check... yah yah yah yah! |
| 21:10.32 | Shirik|Ecole | or anyone else that's taken a signals & systems class |
| 21:10.34 | Shirik|Ecole | ? |
| 21:12.06 | Ezro | Not I. |
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| 21:14.22 | Ezro | Shirik, do you think it will be difficult for me to learn how to make the addon I am trying to make? lol |
| 21:15.05 | Lunessa | oh cog|away - they fixed the issue I had with armory, so the data you requested in the guild info screen is there. |
| 21:15.26 | Lunessa | Ezro: The bet way to learn is to start reading and doing. |
| 21:15.30 | Lunessa | ~wowprogramming |
| 21:15.31 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
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| 21:16.56 | Ezro | Hm, thank you for the info. |
| 21:17.11 | bcsbcs | can someone see where I am going wrong with this ... trying to create a frame and assign a function to the OnUpdate event purely in lua, the create line is: |
| 21:17.13 | bcsbcs | bcsPointToMainFrame=CreateFrame("FRAME","testaddon_Frame",UIParent); |
| 21:17.22 | bcsbcs | bcsPointToMainFrame:SetScript("OnUpdate", bcsUpdateMainFrame_OnUpdate()) |
| 21:17.32 | Shirik|Ecole | get rid of that () |
| 21:17.36 | bcsbcs | is the on update line... not sure where i am going wrong |
| 21:17.38 | Shirik|Ecole | (most likely) |
| 21:17.44 | Corr-work | fortunately, i do not need to feel too ripped off about not waiting for an i7 CPU |
| 21:17.47 | Shirik|Ecole | There is the potential you want to do that, but probably not |
| 21:17.56 | Corr-work | my primary focus is games, and it fortunately doesn't make a huge difference there |
| 21:17.58 | Shirik|Ecole | bcsPointToMainFrame:SetScript("OnUpdate", bcsUpdateMainFrame_OnUpdate) |
| 21:18.08 | Shirik|Ecole | unless you REALLY know what you're doing, that's what you meant |
| 21:18.23 | bcsbcs | nope i dont really know :) , thanks very much |
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| 21:19.37 | ShaneSveller | does anyone know of a tool that converts lua SV files to i.e. XML? |
| 21:20.57 | Shirik|Ecole | why? |
| 21:21.01 | Codayus_ | *shrug* perl? |
| 21:21.12 | Shirik|Ecole | I can't see any good reason to do that |
| 21:21.22 | bcsbcs | Shirk|Ecole, thanks that worked as I intended it. |
| 21:21.55 | ShaneSveller | Shirik|Ecole: exporting blizz's calendar data to a webapp |
| 21:21.58 | Codayus_ | Well, maybe parsing something for a web app? |
| 21:22.12 | Shirik|Ecole | hm ok |
| 21:22.12 | ShaneSveller | Codayus_: ding ding ding ;) |
| 21:23.28 | ShaneSveller | it sounds like blizz may add that data to authenticated part of armory in the future |
| 21:23.28 | Codayus_ | Heh. I've seen a couple addons already that do that; you could check how they did it. But really, a couple lines of perl should do the trick. That's what the language was *designed* for. :) |
| 21:24.05 | Shirik|Ecole | Lua could probably do it faster |
| 21:24.09 | Shirik|Ecole | given it's already Lua code |
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| 21:24.17 | Shirik|Ecole | there's no parsing required |
| 21:24.35 | Codayus_ | Depending on your use case, popping up a frame with the XML to copy and paste would probably be easier for users. |
| 21:24.48 | Codayus_ | http://code.google.com/p/wow-calendar-export/ |
| 21:25.38 | ShaneSveller | this question has a lot higher real-discussion-to-snark ratio than i anticipated. i was waiting for a letmegooglethatforyou.com link |
| 21:25.39 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: now we're done parsing, we optimize! |
| 21:25.53 | Codayus_ | Uses Java to turn a calendar export in a SV into an iCal file; not what you want, but an example... |
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| 21:26.34 | Codayus_ | Hm, if your looking for code to steal...er....use for research purposes...a lot of DKP addons generate XML to interface with EQDKP sites. |
| 21:26.51 | ShaneSveller | Codayus_: the web app in question is in ruby (but not rails), so i may look into using that addon and parse it myself |
| 21:26.58 | Codayus_ | ...the XML in question is absolutley FUGLY because EQDKP is an abomination in the eyes of god and man alike, but still.. |
| 21:27.01 | ShaneSveller | be a good candidate for a ruby gem |
| 21:27.10 | Codayus_ | Yay, gems! |
| 21:27.16 | Thunder_Child | anyone know if the banks are open on thanksgiving? |
| 21:27.38 | ShaneSveller | isn't it a federal holiday? |
| 21:27.45 | Codayus_ | Thunder_Child: Yes, they are. ...well, they are where *I* am. Then again, Thanksgiving isn't a holiday here. :) |
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| 21:27.54 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Codayus_ |
| 21:27.54 | purl | Codayus_: FAIL! |
| 21:28.13 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: banks here are open |
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| 21:28.36 | Thunder_Child | crap, seems to be closed here |
| 21:28.49 | Lopeppeppy | Crap. |
| 21:29.03 | Shirik|Ecole | crap. |
| 21:29.15 | bleeter | of course, blizz close down their accounts department on days like today, so that they can further infuriate the limited amount of possible contact they have with Oceanic customers and financial institutions |
| 21:30.03 | Codayus_ | I can only assume that someone high up at Bliz was molested by a kangaroo at an impressionable age. Nothing else explains some of their policies. |
| 21:30.39 | Thunder_Child | no, as far as i can tell all MMO's fuck over oceanic |
| 21:30.51 | Codayus_ | WAR has actual Oceanic servers. |
| 21:30.54 | Codayus_ | :-( |
| 21:30.58 | ShaneSveller | blasphemous lies. |
| 21:31.05 | Thunder_Child | they do |
| 21:31.24 | Thunder_Child | but it's still not up to mainland stuff |
| 21:31.31 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 21:32.11 | ShaneSveller | well thanks for the helpful input, later all |
| 21:33.43 | bleeter | Codayus_: I don't think it was roos, i think it's the drop bears |
| 21:33.56 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 21:34.00 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. Wallabies. |
| 21:34.10 | bleeter | though that doesn't explain the attitude to NZ, Malaysia, Singapore, etc. |
| 21:34.55 | bleeter | Thailand? Can never recall much of the Oceanic list past my local + the three above |
| 21:35.36 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe the wallabies are migratory. |
| 21:36.08 | bleeter | gah, useless fucking website out of date legal docs |
| 21:36.15 | bleeter | keep forgetting the country list on there is OLD |
| 21:37.34 | bleeter | hmm, doesn't seem to list what countries are supported in the current eula/tos on disk either... |
| 21:38.13 | bleeter | oh, i take that back.. they have updated the web page legal foo in the past few days. gg blizz. |
| 21:38.42 | bleeter | anyways |
| 21:38.46 | bleeter | New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, Latin America, Hong Kong, and Macau. |
| 21:38.54 | bleeter | take out LA, and that's Oceania |
| 21:39.07 | bleeter | list seems only easily available on the account creation page |
| 21:39.12 | Thunder_Child | http://anotherrandomday.com/?id=144 |
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| 21:46.45 | bleeter | heh, over 120 million people. |
| 21:47.56 | Tem | Hmm |
| 21:48.13 | Tem | is there a way for someone who quit wow a year ago to try LK for free? |
| 21:48.31 | Lopeppeppy | Refer a Friend! |
| 21:48.45 | Lopeppeppy | Free trial things that came in our Wrath boxes. |
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| 21:48.51 | Tem | wait, wait |
| 21:48.53 | bleeter | think you need BC to try Wrath |
| 21:48.58 | Tem | he has BC |
| 21:49.03 | Tem | can he try wrath? |
| 21:49.08 | bleeter | pretty sure |
| 21:49.14 | Lopeppeppy | Should be able to. |
| 21:49.23 | Lopeppeppy | Streaming client only though, not full download. |
| 21:49.31 | Tem | streaming client is <3 |
| 21:49.42 | Tem | where do I point him? |
| 21:49.48 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: on the 'real' home page, click on the SWF flkash ad for the 10 day trial in the top right, if you have NoScript take your pick at it's complaint that the site is trying to clickjack you |
| 21:49.50 | Lopeppeppy | Hrm. Um. |
| 21:49.53 | bleeter | then I believe the info's behind that |
| 21:49.56 | bleeter | bah |
| 21:50.03 | bleeter | s/ Thunder_Child / tem / |
| 21:50.07 | Thunder_Child | ~epic fail bleeter |
| 21:50.08 | purl | bleeter, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you bleeter, you are that epic failure. |
| 21:50.47 | bleeter | 'Blizz is in your SFW adverts, clickjacking your clicks' |
| 21:51.30 | zenzelezz | luck: the one time you run the wrong way after Malygos' Vortex, you completely resist his breath |
| 21:51.48 | Lopeppeppy | Tem, go to the WoW site and click Recruit a Friend, see what you need to do to get them started. |
| 21:51.56 | bleeter | oh wait, I can't see w awrath trial on the trial page... haven't bothered ignoring the clickjacking warnings before =)) |
| 21:53.15 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: I didn't see the RAF on the home page, only via account management |
| 21:53.57 | bleeter | oh wait, it's the other clickjacking advert that changes to the scroll of res |
| 21:54.00 | Tem | Peppy, RAF doesn't give them wrath, though, does it? |
| 21:54.02 | bleeter | halfway down the right side |
| 21:55.52 | |Jelly| | Ghostcrawler: "While it's possible for a spec in that niche to become the jack of all trades, master of none, we think Holy priests have actually been strongly desired healers throughout most of the history of WoW. " |
| 21:55.58 | |Jelly| | I about spit up, I was laughing so hard. |
| 21:56.18 | bleeter | I'll have what he's having |
| 21:56.21 | Codayus_ | Well.. |
| 21:56.24 | Codayus_ | ...he did say most. |
| 21:56.43 | |Jelly| | Yeah, I guess if you consider "most" to be Pre-BC, then perhaps. |
| 21:56.45 | Codayus_ | Which could mean "more than 50%", and if you count Vanilla... |
| 21:57.00 | bleeter | do you count pre-alpha internal testing as part of the history, maybe? |
| 21:57.02 | Codayus_ | Hell, he might have just meant a plurality of the time, rather than a majority... |
| 21:57.14 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 21:57.55 | Codayus_ | I mean, the "bad times" were mostly just the mid period of TBC, so...I dunno, less than a year? I don't recall too many problems in Vanilla... |
| 21:58.20 | |Jelly| | I remember many times being booted from a group because a shaman or a paladin healer logged on and went LFG. |
| 22:00.31 | Cralor` | did blizz give a 1 day credit? |
| 22:00.39 | jaxdahl2 | looks like the first 80s were a bunch of russians on some realm |
| 22:00.46 | jaxdahl2 | dinged all at once |
| 22:00.58 | Lopeppeppy | Kiss kiss ttfn. |
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| 22:01.26 | Corr-work | cool |
| 22:01.38 | |Jelly| | Seeya Peppy <3 |
| 22:01.50 | malreth | cladhair_: :-O http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13129903680&postId=131286623645&sid=1 |
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| 22:08.01 | cog|away | my dog is so strange... I brought him one of the best treats of his life (a freshly cut piece of beef bone) and he just guards it with his life for the next few days. Doesn't chew on it at all. Cats nearby? Gets real defensive... Takes him 4 days to get over the shock of having something so full of nom before he starts eating it |
| 22:08.43 | Corr-work | wow |
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| 22:16.15 | NeoTron | |Jelly|: just because you were surrounded with fail doesn't mean holy priests had an issue. |
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| 22:36.45 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: November 26th, 2008 2:30pm PST. |
| 22:36.45 | Shiibot | We will be performing restarts on all US realms on Thursday, November 27, beginning at 5:00am PST and all Oceanic realms at 12:00pm PST (7:00am AEST, November 28). Each realm will be down for approximately 15 minutes and the overall process last about 1 hour. |
| 22:36.45 | Shiibot | Thank you,. . Blizzard Entertainment |
| 22:37.32 | Industrial | |Jelly|: please how are priests not the best MT healers? I (shammy) only ever got to raid heal |
| 22:37.35 | Industrial | ever |
| 22:37.44 | Industrial | thats only in bc tho |
| 22:37.54 | Industrial | anyway bedtime |
| 22:38.46 | Thrae | kneeki: Alright, OCCT has no crashes w/ 3.15GHz, 1400FSB, 1000MHz 5-5-5-15 2.0v Memory, 1.31875v CPU, 1.3v FSB, 1.4v NB (Auto), 1.2v SB (Auto). Anything inbetween 1400-1600 FSB doesn't get past CPU Init in POST, and any voltage combination for 1600 FSB doesn't finish booting Vista. All in all, my temps never go above 55c/45c (CPU/Board) for 100% load on all 4 cores. |
| 22:40.42 | NeoTron | can anyone recommend a good pc vendor that doesn't change large prices over component market values (and don't preload the pc's with junk I don't want) |
| 22:40.47 | Thrae | kneeki: I think I'm satisfied, since I don't see a huge improvement from 3.15GHz to 3.6GHz on a Q6600, as that has a FSB of 1066. |
| 22:41.04 | NeoTron | I found cyberpowerpc.com which looks pretty good and has good prices |
| 22:41.12 | Thrae | NeoTron: US? |
| 22:41.38 | NeoTron | yep |
| 22:42.10 | Thrae | NeoTron: Dell desktops come with a minimal amount of junk software, you have to uninstall maybe 3 things. |
| 22:42.10 | NeoTron | and no I don't want to build myself or I wouldn't have asked (usually comes up, and has done with my past 5 computers or so) |
| 22:42.48 | Thrae | NeoTron: The real thing is, do you want a powerhouse / gaming machine, or just a standard desktop? |
| 22:42.48 | NeoTron | I find dell to be rather loaded with crap usually but also it's hard to properly configure a machine (all kinds of weird limitations) |
| 22:43.14 | NeoTron | gaming but within reasonbly budget |
| 22:43.18 | Thrae | Considering I worked as a Dell Field Technician for 2 years, I don't know exactly what you mean? |
| 22:43.48 | Thrae | Like, you can't overclock it or something? |
| 22:44.03 | NeoTron | I don't care about that |
| 22:44.27 | NeoTron | just the fact that selectina a mchine it might not let me go over 2 GB of memory or X HD space or this or that cpu |
| 22:44.34 | Thrae | Dell desktop towers used to be bad about 5 years ago, but nowadays they're built decently for expansion |
| 22:45.02 | NeoTron | or heck sometimes you can't even go without a monitor |
| 22:45.03 | Thrae | Yeah, those restrictions died about 5-10 years ago with Dell and a lot of other OEMs |
| 22:45.06 | NeoTron | also they do add quite a bit to the cost |
| 22:45.26 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.03 | Thrae | You've found a modern motherboard that doesn't let you go above 2GB? Maybe a very low-end minitower... |
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| 22:46.15 | NeoTron | and their starting core i7 box is $1800 |
| 22:47.13 | Thrae | NeoTron: You're going to be paying at least $1800 for a decent Core i7 box right now. If you look at the price of the components even on Newegg, they are *expensive*. It's really not time yet to buy a Core i7 unless you have extra $$$. |
| 22:47.22 | NeoTron | where I can configure a box with 6 gb of memory, GF280 or 260, 2TB of disk etc for a similar amount |
| 22:47.26 | Corr-work | and need a fast CPU |
| 22:47.39 | NeoTron | with a the core i7 920 |
| 22:47.51 | Thrae | Lemme take a look. |
| 22:48.16 | Corr-work | guru3d did some benchmarks. where the i7 improved framerates on a few games, they were perfectly playable with the lesser CPU |
| 22:48.19 | NeoTron | Thrae: http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/LandingPages/Intel/FarCry2/ |
| 22:48.34 | |pez| | Wow lags on my laptop. :\ |
| 22:48.43 | Thrae | Don't buy into the hype -- it's not time for Core i7 unless you're rich |
| 22:48.49 | Thrae | Price:Performance is not there yet. |
| 22:49.09 | Thrae | Hell, we don't even have Windows 7 yet, which has more optimized routines for Core i7. |
| 22:49.18 | NeoTron | seems to be about on bar with the core 2 duo/core2quad extreme processors |
| 22:49.22 | Corr-work | cool |
| 22:49.32 | NeoTron | (for performance but less in price) |
| 22:50.00 | NeoTron | plus I do actually do more than game on my pc's |
| 22:50.12 | Thrae | NeoTron: You also have to factor in the cost of the MB and Memory though, which are much more expensive going up to Core i7 and DDR3, especially DDR3 Triple Channel |
| 22:50.23 | Thrae | NeoTron: Video processing? |
| 22:50.25 | NeoTron | I did |
| 22:50.46 | NeoTron | extreme processors are fricking expensive |
| 22:51.18 | Thrae | NeoTron: What is your system right *now*? |
| 22:51.43 | Corr-work | oh yeah, ddr3 is hella more expensive than ddr2 |
| 22:52.07 | NeoTron | significantly slower |
| 22:52.23 | NeoTron | Athlon X2 4400/GF 8800 GT 256 MB |
| 22:52.36 | NeoTron | I know anything I et will be a huge upgrade, don't get me wrong |
| 22:52.50 | Thrae | 8800 GT 256MB? Are you sure it's not 512MB? |
| 22:53.03 | NeoTron | GTS 512, GT256 |
| 22:53.12 | Thrae | Oh you have two cards? |
| 22:53.30 | NeoTron | they had a 8800 GTS 384 and came out with a 8800 GT 256 and 8800 GTS 512 |
| 22:53.34 | NeoTron | I got the GT 256 |
| 22:54.33 | NightHawkTheSane | bahaha.... Ann Coulter broker her jaw, and now it's wired shut... if only it were permanent. |
| 22:54.35 | Thrae | The 8800 GT is a different architecture from the 8800 GTS, the GTS has a 384 or 512MB/s memory bandwidth instead of 8800 GT's 256MB/s |
| 22:54.55 | Corr-work | HAH |
| 22:55.00 | NightHawkTheSane | broke* |
| 22:55.01 | NeoTron | no, 8800 GTS 384 is different from 8800 GT 256 and 8800 GTS 512 |
| 22:55.04 | Thrae | I have a 8800 GT 512MB myself, very nice. |
| 22:55.43 | NeoTron | not important though. What is more important is what the heck to put in the new system |
| 22:55.44 | Thrae | NeoTron: That's not a "yes or no", they're all different, but the 8800 GTS is the same architecture for all 8800 GTS |
| 22:56.09 | Thrae | Well for gaming, one of the most important things is the video card, and since you want a good upgrade, it's good to get a base of what you have now. |
| 22:56.35 | NeoTron | 8800 GTS and 8800 GTS 512 is NOT the same |
| 22:57.30 | NeoTron | 96 -> 128 stream processos, higher clockspeed, 256 bit instead of 320 bit memory interface |
| 22:58.16 | malreth | NightHawkTheSane: what happened? did she speak aloud in church or something? |
| 22:58.49 | NeoTron | the gfx card consideration is a GT 9800 of some sort, GTX 260 or 280 or some ATI solution. |
| 22:59.20 | NeoTron | but I have no clue if GTX 260 or perhaps 9800 GX2 is best for example |
| 22:59.44 | NeoTron | GTX280 seems to expensive for my budget |
| 23:00.57 | malreth | happy 4-day weekend everyone |
| 23:01.14 | Thrae | NeoTron: Two 9800 GTX+ are the best Price/Performance for maximum power / best price. |
| 23:02.35 | Thrae | NeoTron: You say you don't want to build your own computer, but it's hard to find an OEM that won't gouge you on gaming components, even Dell which has become relatively cheap if you shop smartly. What about a barebones system that comes with the MB and CPU already installed? |
| 23:03.19 | Lunessa | Ciao tutti. Have a good holiday or weekend - whichever is appropriate. |
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| 23:05.21 | Thrae | NeoTron: http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=DXCW64A&s=dhs&fb=1 <-- this is about as decent as I can get with XPS |
| 23:05.48 | Tuller | evil! |
| 23:06.06 | Thrae | At least Dell ships 64-bit Vista now. |
| 23:07.16 | Corr-work | now? have they been not? :o |
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| 23:07.34 | Corr-work | the way you say that suggests that they've been giving people vista x86 |
| 23:07.54 | Tuller | I think they did for a good while :P |
| 23:08.15 | Tuller | probably until about the point 4gigs became ridiculously cheap :P |
| 23:08.41 | Thrae | Well, last time I worked on Dell systems was about a year or so ago now, and those systems were under warranty so they were about a year or two old. |
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| 23:11.45 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/ahahahaha.png |
| 23:13.53 | NightHawkTheSane | "But I have my suicide pill, it's raspberry this month. Want to try it?" |
| 23:16.59 | Ycarene | Aren't there problems with finding 64 bit plugins though? |
| 23:18.50 | Corr-work | plugins? |
| 23:19.01 | Corr-work | what plugins could you mean? |
| 23:20.13 | Corr-work | windows... doesn't have plugins. |
| 23:21.43 | Kimmeh | Are most people in here from the US? alot of action at this time made me curius |
| 23:22.30 | foxlit | No, they're just sleepless maniacs. |
| 23:22.52 | Kimmeh | :P |
| 23:24.29 | mikma | hahahahaha http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info11778-SkullAlertIcon.html |
| 23:25.41 | Thrae | NeoTron: Well if you're going to use cyberpowerpc.com, make sure to get eVGA branded stuff. Their Support and Warranties are *awesome*. And from what I've seen, it seems the cheapest right now is actually the GTX260 896MB at $236. |
| 23:26.19 | Corr-work | if i'm not mistaken, evga does offer overclocked versions, too |
| 23:26.23 | Thrae | NeoTron: The specs on the GTX260 kill older cards, especially since most of them use 256-bit memory buses. |
| 23:26.42 | Thrae | Corr-work: Yeah, but not through cyberpowerpc.com unless you get regardless |
| 23:26.55 | Corr-work | get regardless? o.o |
| 23:27.09 | Thrae | s#get regardless#get one regardless# |
| 23:27.19 | Thrae | MOST of eVGA's cards are overclocked nowadays |
| 23:27.34 | Corr-work | yeah, same with BFG |
| 23:27.35 | Thrae | Not the GTX Cores, those things are 120nm and already run like 1000c |
| 23:27.45 | NeoTron | Thrae: I like evga, that's what my past two gfx cards has been and I think my current motherboard |
| 23:28.03 | Thrae | NeoTron: Same here, I have some intimate dealings with them and gaming hardware in general through my last job |
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| 23:29.29 | Corr-work | be aware, if you get a card from BFG, you need to register the card within 30 days to enable the lifetime warranty |
| 23:30.30 | Thrae | NeoTron: Another thing -- if you have space for it, get a "full tower" or "gaming tower". It makes it SO much easier to upgrade crap, and lets the air flow better. |
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| 23:31.08 | Corr-work | i love big, heavy cases |
| 23:31.49 | Corr-work | they may be cumbersome to handle and difficult to fit under my desk, but they look cool. THEY LOOK COOL. >:o |
| 23:32.11 | Codayus_ | Mmmm, next system I build, I want to get a Supermicro server case. |
| 23:33.06 | Codayus_ | Sure it may be the size of a bar fridge, sound like an airplane taxiing acrosss a runway, and weigh about as much as I do. But. It's cool. |
| 23:33.23 | Corr-work | >:D |
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| 23:35.05 | Kraps | how do i know when theres a battle in wintergrasp? |
| 23:35.25 | Codayus_ | (Plus, they're nice to work with. Nice rolled edges, quick release clips on *everything*, hot swappable fans and power supplies...) |
| 23:35.56 | Thrae | NeoTron: It looks like cyperpowerpc.com has about a 30% margin or so, I think you're looking at around $1800 for either a Quad Core Core2 or a Core i7 build that'll last you about 1.5 years for modern releases (with upgrading) |
| 23:36.33 | Thrae | NeoTron: That's about as good as you're going to get unless you built it yourself or start barebones. |
| 23:36.33 | Corr-work | and if you're like me, and generally don't lay modern releases, it can last 3 years or more :D |
| 23:36.44 | Corr-work | *play |
| 23:36.59 | Thrae | Corr-work: And WotLK in a 40-man raid with 2560x1600 + all settings up high ;) |
| 23:37.11 | Kimmeh | Kraps i think there are people anouncing in the cities, othervise try flying there and check |
| 23:37.17 | Corr-work | almost wish i could do that |
| 23:37.30 | Corr-work | there are some fun things about wow |
| 23:37.31 | Thrae | I play with balanced settings on 2560x1600 |
| 23:37.57 | Kraps | Kimmeh: cant fly there, you need to use the portal |
| 23:38.39 | Kraps | love the new alpha maps |
| 23:38.50 | Kraps | gj to whoever |
| 23:40.33 | Tem | hmm |
| 23:40.37 | Tem | looks like the armory got a facelift |
| 23:40.46 | Tem | and it doesn't work in Chrome |
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| 23:45.07 | Thunder_Child | i spent 3K on this system...it's lasted me maybe 2 years |
| 23:45.10 | NeoTron | my old computer has lasted > 3 yrs |
| 23:45.32 | NeoTron | I tend to upgrade every 2-3 years and I usally also don't play cutting edge games too much |
| 23:45.33 | geekahedron | sounds like different definitions of 'lasted' |
| 23:45.43 | Corr-work | possibly |
| 23:46.08 | Thunder_Child | true, i mean it needs an upgrade to play current games maxed out with no lag |
| 23:46.10 | NeoTron | geekahedron: it's stillrunning, and runs wow |
| 23:46.12 | Corr-work | my last one is still quite usable for most of the games i play, at about 3 years old, but i felt an urge to buy a new computer so i could hit up some newer games |
| 23:46.31 | NeoTron | I upgraded the GPU from a 7800 GLX to 8800 GL but that's it |
| 23:46.56 | Corr-work | i buy midrange, though |
| 23:47.12 | NeoTron | Thrae: what I see though is that there really isn't a huge overhead from getting a core i7 920 vs a hgiher end quad core (or dual core) cpu) |
| 23:47.19 | Corr-work | ~$1200 before hard drives |
| 23:47.28 | Corr-work | er, 1300 |
| 23:48.21 | Corr-work | you have the option of going with ddr2 memory and a dual-core CPU, see~ |
| 23:48.44 | Thunder_Child | granted some of that 3K was on stuff that will be reused, like the case and multiple HD's |
| 23:49.17 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: my idea of the "highest end game" I'm playing atm is WoW WotLK ;-) |
| 23:49.37 | Thunder_Child | with shadows set to 6 NeoTron? |
| 23:50.04 | Corr-work | SIX SHADOWS fucker! |
| 23:50.18 | Thunder_Child | ~sigh Corr-work |
| 23:50.19 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "Corr-work!" |
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| 23:51.04 | frop | dello |
| 23:51.26 | Thunder_Child | dello to you as well |
| 23:51.32 | frop | got a question...there's any minimap that can be made trasparent? |
| 23:51.57 | frop | it's annoying wathing the minimap for yellow dots :P |
| 23:52.02 | Thunder_Child | minimap addon? |
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| 23:52.20 | frop | aye |
| 23:52.32 | frop | tried squeenix and minimapster...nothing... |
| 23:52.50 | frop | chinchilla seems to do it...but it doesnt' works for me |
| 23:53.40 | Hjalte | frop: Sexymap has a lot of options, and you can also make it cover your whole screen. |
| 23:54.13 | frop | that's what i need...like a hud when gathering |
| 23:54.16 | frop | will try it |
| 23:55.03 | Corr-work | what map addon did i use... cartographer? but that didn't have a minimap thing, i used something else for that |
| 23:55.09 | geekahedron | i use sexymap |
| 23:55.24 | geekahedron | simple minimap is nice too |
| 23:55.30 | Wobin | <3 sexymap |
| 23:55.34 | frop | does GatherMate_Hud shows yellow dots? |
| 23:56.06 | NightHawkTheSane | no, it shows the same icons that gathermate does, but in a hud-style display in the center of your screen |
| 23:56.22 | frop | so i guess sexymap will be the one :P |
| 23:56.33 | Wobin | hm, which means you'd still have to watch the minimap for valid nodes |
| 23:56.36 | frop | i kinda like squeenix...it's very "little" |
| 23:56.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: more or less. gathermate+routes+sexymap = win |
| 23:57.09 | frop | exactly |
| 23:57.19 | frop | well, trying it now |
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| 23:57.20 | Wobin | PS, anyone who writes C# should have a browse through http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9033 |
| 23:57.25 | batrick | Shirik: pong |
| 23:57.53 | geekahedron | hrm, i haven't tried gathermate |
| 23:57.59 | Thrae | NeoTron: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=9438512 <-- I couldn't do much better myself if I were to build a computer from scratch |
| 23:58.36 | Corr-work | finding the right motherboard is a pain in the ass |
| 23:58.55 | Corr-work | it's the most hateful process i can think of when choosing parts for a PC |
| 23:59.31 | Wobin | It's why I never bother anymore |
| 23:59.32 | frop | wait for i7 :P |
