| 00:11.08 | ZorbaBeta | anyone know if there's a way to detect if the player is drunk or not? |
| 00:12.13 | mikma | apparently there ain't any api for knowing is the beast/dragonkin skinnable or not? |
| 00:12.28 | Iriel | ZorbaBeta: besides checking for the messages, I dont believe so |
| 00:12.41 | Iriel | possibly looking for distortion of message text |
| 00:12.46 | ZorbaBeta | dang. and the messages present localization issues |
| 00:13.19 | NightHawkTheSane | well, isn't there some format string in globalstrings you could use for that? |
| 00:14.03 | *** join/#wowuidev WobWork (n=Wobin@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 00:14.18 | cbreak | mikma: tooltip scanning? :/ |
| 00:14.52 | WobWork | http://jamesoff.net/site/fun/random-recipe-generator/ |
| 00:15.11 | Iriel | for skinnability, scan tooltips and cache by type |
| 00:15.20 | Iriel | that's what I do anyway |
| 00:15.27 | mikma | cbreak: yeah, don't wan't to do that, all i want is a reminder to skin the stuff i killed :D |
| 00:16.15 | cbreak | I am sure there are post-it addons you could use |
| 00:16.20 | WobWork | have a "LOOT THE HOUND" sound each time you kill something |
| 00:16.28 | mikma | wobwork: you rule. |
| 00:16.52 | mikma | wobwork: also, i picked professions for my dk! |
| 00:16.59 | WobWork | skinning mining? |
| 00:17.05 | mikma | skinning herbalism |
| 00:17.09 | mikma | HoT <3 |
| 00:17.11 | WobWork | good choice =) |
| 00:17.19 | cbreak | herbs don't sell well :( |
| 00:17.20 | WobWork | toughness is a bit... meh |
| 00:17.27 | mikma | saw you guys talked about it previously heh |
| 00:17.31 | WobWork | herbs always will sell for inscriptions |
| 00:17.37 | mikma | cbreak: my shaman can use all the herbs in alchemy ;) |
| 00:17.50 | WobWork | skinning may have issues |
| 00:17.53 | WobWork | with sales |
| 00:18.05 | mikma | no problem! vendor will gladly buy them |
| 00:18.07 | WobWork | but it's easier to level skinning than anything else, really |
| 00:18.21 | WobWork | if you're doing it while levelling |
| 00:18.25 | Codayus_ | Traditionally skinning has been profitable because you could make it up on volume so easily... |
| 00:18.49 | cbreak | "Let's give everything away for free, we'll make it up by volume" :) |
| 00:18.53 | Codayus_ | Heavly clefthoof and cobra scales wearn't uber valuable, but they were a hell of a lot easier to farm than khorium... |
| 00:19.01 | WobWork | s'true |
| 00:19.14 | mikma | my druid has herbalism+mining with bugged doubletrack :D |
| 00:19.14 | WobWork | I can remember grinding that last few BS levels |
| 00:19.17 | mikma | is kinda fun hehe |
| 00:19.25 | WobWork | back in the day when 375 was the max =( |
| 00:19.45 | WobWork | I dread grinding up BS =P |
| 00:19.45 | Codayus_ | In Wrath...too much has changed, so we'l see. I do love the new blue skinning loot; adds that elelement of random "woot!" that mining and herbalism already got with gems and lotus... |
| 00:20.11 | mikma | codayus_: heh :) |
| 00:20.25 | mikma | wotlk added a "woot!" for most of the professions :) |
| 00:20.41 | WobWork | What's max for Toughness? |
| 00:20.43 | mikma | skinning, more crit. herbalism, HoT. mining, +health |
| 00:20.45 | Codayus_ | Heh, you know for a lot of classes - tanks especially - JC/BS will be a very powerful combo. You can add sockets, then put the uber JC-only stam gems in. Now, imagine grinding those from scratch. >< |
| 00:20.54 | mikma | wobwork: is that the mining thingy? |
| 00:20.57 | WobWork | yeah |
| 00:20.57 | Codayus_ | WobWork: 500hp, IIRC. |
| 00:21.03 | WobWork | That's not much =( |
| 00:21.07 | mikma | ya,500hp on my druid with 450 mining |
| 00:21.27 | WobWork | It should be a percentage health imo =) |
| 00:21.33 | Codayus_ | True, but then, none give much. It's a tiny amount of crit from skinning, and...what, a 2k heal for herbalism? |
| 00:21.59 | mikma | yeah, but it's still nice in middle of combat coz it's 2k in 5sec |
| 00:22.04 | WobWork | well... vampirism might help |
| 00:22.08 | Codayus_ | 2k heal = lawl at lvl 80, even for farming. But hey, gift horse... |
| 00:22.10 | WobWork | or whatever that blood DK skill is |
| 00:22.12 | mikma | (with class that doesn't heal, ie dk) |
| 00:22.21 | WobWork | that'd be a 3k heal! =) |
| 00:22.32 | Codayus_ | Pft, dks heal. |
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| 00:22.50 | WobWork | I totally came second in healing in my UB/SP run last night |
| 00:22.57 | WobWork | since I was tanking =P |
| 00:23.23 | WobWork | also Icebound Fortitude + Bone shield = fantastic omgwtfslowdruidhealzpanic |
| 00:23.30 | Codayus_ | Yeah |
| 00:23.48 | WobWork | do the percentages stack or multiply? |
| 00:24.06 | WobWork | s/stack/add/ |
| 00:24.18 | Codayus_ | Honestly...I'm not sure. I've mostly just chained them to dodge the issue. |
| 00:24.23 | WobWork | yeah |
| 00:24.36 | WobWork | It's certainly saved my bacon a number of times |
| 00:24.48 | WobWork | or should I say, 'beef' |
| 00:25.15 | mikma | moo, are you happy now? |
| 00:25.17 | Codayus_ | Heh, glad they didn't limit what races could be DKs. |
| 00:25.46 | WobWork | so true |
| 00:25.56 | Codayus_ | Always annoyed me that I couldn't roll some sort of really oddball gnome priest say. Sure there's no lore backing, but....but...I wanted to. :( |
| 00:25.56 | WobWork | I'm going to make a gnome dk at some point |
| 00:26.08 | mikma | wobwork: <3 |
| 00:26.15 | WobWork | Codayus_: I've always wanted a tauren rogue |
| 00:26.19 | WobWork | SNEAK SNEAK SNEAK |
| 00:26.21 | Codayus_ | That too. |
| 00:26.39 | mikma | wobwork: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_112008_215646.jpg <3 <3 |
| 00:26.47 | Codayus_ | That'd be great. :( |
| 00:27.31 | Codayus_ | mikma: Yeah, that's cool. |
| 00:27.49 | mikma | also, very cute! |
| 00:27.55 | WobWork | is that the northrend bear? |
| 00:28.03 | mikma | wobwork: yes it is. also http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_112308_011721.jpg |
| 00:28.10 | mikma | combine that with the bear lol |
| 00:28.34 | WobWork | you should 'happy' up the bear for extra lols |
| 00:28.50 | mikma | uh, cool idea |
| 00:28.52 | WobWork | I idled in Dalaran with my DK tauren sitting in front of my bear with little hearts =) |
| 00:28.55 | mikma | should be longer imho |
| 00:28.58 | Codayus_ | My DK is usually followed around by his panda cub. It amuses me. |
| 00:29.19 | WobWork | while waiting for that -terrible- lore achievement |
| 00:29.24 | WobWork | rrarrr |
| 00:29.31 | WobWork | four fake books >< |
| 00:29.35 | mikma | eww |
| 00:29.36 | WobWork | only one valid one |
| 00:29.49 | Codayus_ | ...although I'll be REALLY really happy to get to 80 and accumulate some gear on my DK that doesn't look like ass. |
| 00:29.58 | WobWork | truth ^ |
| 00:29.59 | Codayus_ | TBC quest rewards are just hideous. |
| 00:30.07 | WobWork | I've kept my newbie gear |
| 00:30.12 | Codayus_ | Same |
| 00:30.13 | WobWork | cause I can't bear to part with the pretty |
| 00:30.17 | Codayus_ | Same. |
| 00:31.19 | WobWork | what spec are you running, Coday? |
| 00:33.23 | mikma | wobwork: the sex: http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_112408_023209.jpg |
| 00:34.06 | WobWork | creepy |
| 00:34.12 | WobWork | in a chucky sort of way |
| 00:34.31 | duaiwe | those eyes... |
| 00:36.42 | mikma | durcyn: http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_112408_023553.jpg is this better? :) |
| 00:37.13 | mikma | errrrr |
| 00:37.16 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: ^ |
| 00:37.21 | keias | That name reminds me of malt liquor. |
| 00:37.23 | mikma | durcyn: mt, go back to bed |
| 00:37.35 | NightHawkTheSane | AHHH! |
| 00:37.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ~flee |
| 00:37.40 | purl | ACTION runs away screaming |
| 00:38.27 | keias | mikma, what chatmod are you using? |
| 00:39.11 | mikma | keias: BasicChatMods by funkydude |
| 00:39.16 | keias | Thanks |
| 00:43.46 | durcyn | mikma: o. |
| 00:44.43 | Codayus_ | WobWork: Unholy |
| 00:45.08 | WobWork | that seems to be the smart choice so far |
| 00:45.31 | WobWork | ie, of all the dks I've grouped with, only unholy has come close to keeping up with my dps, regardless of level |
| 00:45.37 | Codayus_ | Hard to pass up the perma-pet and run speed for leveling. |
| 00:45.42 | WobWork | agreed |
| 00:46.07 | WobWork | I totally need a new weapon though =( |
| 00:46.17 | WobWork | I got outrolled on the UB two handed mace last night =( |
| 00:46.20 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 00:46.44 | Codayus_ | I'm still using hellboard carving blade; just dinged 64 last night. It's...getting old. |
| 00:47.10 | mikma | wobwork: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jf0MZZfgMhxfkgcqMcsut |
| 00:47.20 | mikma | i'm about to try that one |
| 00:48.40 | Codayus_ | mikma: Mmm, still for leveling? |
| 00:49.14 | mikma | ya |
| 00:49.34 | mikma | that's just the build i'm heading :P take 10 points off from unholy and you have the same build i am atm |
| 00:49.47 | mikma | after leveling is done, going for pvp spec prolly |
| 00:50.07 | WobWork | Codayus_: the which? |
| 00:50.27 | Codayus_ | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25987 |
| 00:50.30 | keias | I'm doing 17/0/54 for leveling, myself. |
| 00:50.42 | WobWork | oh hm, I don't think I've done that quest |
| 00:50.44 | WobWork | I wonder why |
| 00:50.49 | WobWork | oh that one |
| 00:50.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Mike-N-Go (n=MikeNGoS@michaelg20.goshen.edu) |
| 00:50.57 | WobWork | I'm still on my newbie sword =P |
| 00:51.17 | Codayus_ | Yeah, the Carving Blade isn't a huge upgrade, but it hits hard. |
| 00:51.32 | WobWork | I can't wait to see my dps when I upgrade my weapon |
| 00:51.54 | keias | I used that Carving Blade until Northrend :( |
| 00:51.57 | WobWork | I'm getting around 600-780 at a good rate at the moment |
| 00:52.15 | WobWork | at least while tanking |
| 00:53.08 | WobWork | hm, I think recount doesn't differentiate the actual dk strikes |
| 00:53.11 | WobWork | does it? |
| 00:57.41 | Codayus_ | Not sure. |
| 00:58.11 | mikma | apparently dw for dk's is a waste, because most of the skills scale with weapon damage |
| 00:58.48 | WobWork | I've considered trying DW |
| 00:58.53 | WobWork | but all signs point to 'suck' |
| 00:59.00 | NightHawkTheSane | its sub-optimal for raiding, but for anything else it's close enough to not matter |
| 00:59.01 | WobWork | without a shitload of +hit |
| 00:59.36 | WobWork | it would be suboptimal without the gear to support it |
| 00:59.48 | NightHawkTheSane | you'd probably be fine for raiding too, if you werent really hardcore about it |
| 00:59.56 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: that applies to a lot of classes/specs, though ;) |
| 00:59.56 | WobWork | and until I hit max level, I'm not going to try building up a set for that specific stuff |
| 01:00.00 | WobWork | yeah |
| 01:00.14 | WobWork | I guess it's more a matter of "Is it optimal for levelling?" |
| 01:00.29 | WobWork | without nerfing needing to do anything else while levelling |
| 01:00.29 | NightHawkTheSane | its "close enough as not to mater" |
| 01:00.34 | WobWork | like tanking |
| 01:01.29 | mikma | wobwork: dw might rule if you get a shitloads of ap |
| 01:01.31 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, tanking leveling instances is mostly about staying alive anyway |
| 01:01.58 | WobWork | and maintaining aggro |
| 01:02.07 | WobWork | although frost presence totally fixes that =P |
| 01:02.14 | NightHawkTheSane | agro isn't the issue it used to be, though |
| 01:02.23 | mikma | wobwork: lookie at these two skills: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVZ0x , combine those with frost presence |
| 01:02.25 | WobWork | it's more damage bsaed now |
| 01:02.47 | mikma | i did some calculations with my current armor-rate... |
| 01:02.49 | WobWork | mikma: You'll have to tell me, I don't want to visit those links too often at work =) |
| 01:03.16 | mikma | wobwork: Bladed ArmorRank 5 |
| 01:03.16 | mikma | Increases your attack power by 5 for every 180 armor value you have. |
| 01:03.26 | mikma | wobwork: ToughnessRank 5 |
| 01:03.27 | mikma | Increases your armor value from items by 15% and reduces the duration of all movement slowing effects by 30%. |
| 01:03.46 | WobWork | is BA based on the Toughness result? |
| 01:03.48 | WobWork | or base |
| 01:03.58 | mikma | now with my current armor: 6900*1.60 = 11040.0 -> (11040/180)*5 = 305 |
| 01:04.02 | NightHawkTheSane | i think total armor |
| 01:04.08 | WobWork | nice |
| 01:04.32 | mikma | this is 6000 armor with touchness -> 6900. then we add frost presence = +60% -> 11040 armor |
| 01:04.46 | mikma | and when we check the gotten ap from bladed armor = 305ap |
| 01:06.01 | mikma | then you need the skills from frost that add attackspeed ... |
| 01:07.08 | WobWork | I like the DK ability to instantly switch to MT if necessary |
| 01:07.15 | WobWork | with Frost Presence and D&D |
| 01:07.26 | WobWork | (and various taunts) |
| 01:07.40 | WobWork | it makes recovering from a bad pull much easier |
| 01:07.54 | WobWork | and oh god, have I done some bad pulls |
| 01:08.00 | WobWork | due to terrible pet autocsats |
| 01:08.02 | WobWork | casts |
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| 01:08.12 | WobWork | "Noooo ghoul! Don't JUMP THERE!" |
| 01:08.17 | mikma | D&D? dungeons and dragons... |
| 01:08.18 | Codayus_ | heh |
| 01:08.25 | mikma | wobwork: i disabled leap completely |
| 01:08.27 | WobWork | death n decay |
| 01:08.36 | mikma | god freaking damn i hate the leap |
| 01:08.38 | Codayus_ | Leap doesn't seem very useful for leveling. |
| 01:08.38 | mikma | so, so much |
| 01:08.46 | WobWork | leap is good for casters |
| 01:08.50 | WobWork | keeps them busy |
| 01:08.55 | Codayus_ | If I Death Grip, the ghoul leaps off into the distance and has to run back. |
| 01:08.59 | mikma | ya |
| 01:09.00 | WobWork | yeah |
| 01:09.05 | WobWork | unless he's lagge |
| 01:09.05 | WobWork | d |
| 01:09.19 | mikma | what's the point of ghoul pulling mobs far away from you? |
| 01:09.24 | Codayus_ | And if I'm just running up and meleeing, it's pointless. |
| 01:09.26 | mikma | i heard that even hunters pets do the same |
| 01:09.32 | WobWork | however, I've never gotten 'surprised' with the leap |
| 01:09.45 | mikma | sometimes they just start running in the distance pulling the mob with them and you have to call them back |
| 01:09.49 | WobWork | "Oh, Ghoulie has jumped away... oh... hm.. look, someone attacking me..." |
| 01:10.10 | WobWork | "tum tee tum tee tum..*mine mine mine* |
| 01:10.11 | WobWork | " |
| 01:10.27 | Codayus_ | On an unrelated note, I like the fact that the ghoul gets a random name every time he's summoned. |
| 01:10.31 | WobWork | truely |
| 01:10.40 | WobWork | It's an exciting game =) |
| 01:10.46 | Codayus_ | It'd be kinda funny - in a macabre way - if they'd made the pool of normal human alliance names though. |
| 01:10.57 | WobWork | I like the chats =) |
| 01:11.05 | mikma | didn't wow have a random name generator in beta or so |
| 01:11.11 | Codayus_ | If you use coprse dust, especially. |
| 01:11.22 | WobWork | although, what I'd totally adore is if using a humanoid corpse actually had the same model as that corpse |
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| 01:12.05 | Codayus_ | That too. |
| 01:12.50 | mikma | antiarc: c'mon, what's the script for the badgelooting? :) |
| 01:12.56 | mikma | gonna go and test it lol |
| 01:13.03 | WobWork | badge looting? |
| 01:13.19 | mikma | <0145> <Antiarc> http://i35.tinypic.com/344p7qu.jpg |
| 01:13.33 | mikma | <0147> <Antiarc> The achievement counts the number of times you attempt to loot badges |
| 01:13.36 | mikma | <0147> <Antiarc> Not the number looted |
| 01:13.41 | mikma | <0147> <Antiarc> So you can macro 1000 loot attempts and insta-achievements :V |
| 01:13.59 | Antiarc | Simulate 1000 clicks on the last item in the loot window |
| 01:14.06 | Antiarc | you can figure the macro out :P |
| 01:14.09 | mikma | true |
| 01:14.16 | mikma | but you don't need to cancel the confirmation? |
| 01:14.24 | Antiarc | Badges don't have a confirm |
| 01:14.43 | mikma | meh |
| 01:15.00 | mikma | thousand clicks can happen with one loot? :P |
| 01:15.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@78.146.117.14) |
| 01:15.13 | Antiarc | Apparently |
| 01:15.25 | mikma | that's still funny |
| 01:15.26 | WobWork | oh that's terribly hacky =P |
| 01:15.46 | WobWork | I hope you don't get done in for abuse =) |
| 01:16.01 | Antiarc | Everyone that's running heroics is "exploting" this |
| 01:16.03 | Antiarc | Due to "item is busy" |
| 01:16.12 | Antiarc | I got my 25 badge achievement when I got my 13th, accidentally |
| 01:16.13 | WobWork | gm: "Sure" |
| 01:18.05 | mikma | yeah, the only thing is do i dare to do that :I don't want my account to be banned rofl ;) |
| 01:19.20 | WobWork | GM:"Hi, you're a level 72 with the 1000 badge achievement... We'd like to have a chat..." |
| 01:19.45 | pompy | a 72 doing heriocs? lol |
| 01:21.01 | WobWork | s/re a level 72 with/ve been a level 80 for 2 hours and have/ |
| 01:21.09 | WobWork | better? =P |
| 01:21.21 | mikma | nice |
| 01:21.25 | pompy | heh |
| 01:24.31 | cbreak | it's not your fault that you got the achievement, you never asked for it. |
| 01:24.36 | cbreak | the server just threw it at you |
| 01:24.51 | cbreak | gms aren't the brightest, maybe they fall for it. |
| 01:24.53 | WobWork | damn them |
| 01:25.17 | Antiarc | If the achievement meant anything tangible I'd worry a little |
| 01:25.20 | Antiarc | As is...meh. |
| 01:25.23 | Nom- | Or full bag would probably do it too ? |
| 01:25.33 | Antiarc | badges go int oyour currency tab |
| 01:25.34 | Nom- | oh not an item any more |
| 01:25.35 | Antiarc | Not your bags |
| 01:25.42 | Nom- | so it's purely item is busy message? |
| 01:25.50 | mikma | what would happen if someone reported me from doing that? |
| 01:26.02 | WobWork | ie any pug =) |
| 01:26.10 | cbreak | just deny it |
| 01:26.32 | cbreak | and blame the GM for loot lag |
| 01:26.32 | Antiarc | Just wait till the others leave the instance |
| 01:26.32 | Antiarc | Then hit it >_> |
| 01:26.33 | mikma | lol |
| 01:26.33 | WobWork | aside from the achievemtn being in your log? =P |
| 01:27.02 | cbreak | just coincidentially try to loot it while it's busy |
| 01:27.03 | mikma | dear lord |
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| 01:27.29 | mikma | don't ever do: 'joe Loot *' in shell :D |
| 01:27.40 | mikma | takes a while to close the editors lol, so i just killed the screen |
| 01:27.43 | Cidan | or rm -rf / |
| 01:28.25 | mikma | i've actually typed 'rm -rf Something *' many times |
| 01:28.33 | Cidan | lol |
| 01:28.40 | Cidan | That space will kill you. |
| 01:28.43 | mikma | ya! |
| 01:29.36 | Kraps | lag iz teh fail |
| 01:29.54 | Cidan | That, it is. |
| 01:29.55 | Kraps | especially if you dont get kicked |
| 01:30.17 | Kraps | at least thats a response |
| 01:30.46 | Kraps | heres the kick |
| 01:32.06 | Shirik | mikma: I've done worse |
| 01:32.27 | Shirik | Instead of rm -rf /srv/www/localhost/htdocs/some/path/ |
| 01:32.36 | Shirik | I typed rm-rf /srv/www/localhost/htdocs/some/path / |
| 01:33.22 | mikma | ouch! that's bad :D |
| 01:33.49 | Shirik | I knew something was wrong when it was complaining about not being able to delete stuff in /dev |
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| 01:35.00 | mikma | shirik: so what was the excuse? "hdd crash of server" like usually? :D |
| 01:35.13 | Shirik | Fortunately, it was my server |
| 01:35.18 | Shirik | I was like 16 when I did it |
| 01:35.36 | Shirik | that taught me not to stay in root |
| 01:36.12 | mikma | those are things that need to be learned the hard way |
| 01:37.16 | Iriel | Reminds me of a signature I saw on usenet once.. |
| 01:37.27 | mikma | hey, what happens to a DoT that gets an extension to the length with glyph? |
| 01:37.30 | Iriel | there are two kinds of unix user; those who've typed rm -rf * by accident, and those who will |
| 01:37.34 | mikma | ie. Rip, http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=49800 |
| 01:37.40 | mikma | 5 points: [(534 + 0.05 * AP) * 6] damage over 12 sec. |
| 01:37.48 | mikma | glyph adds 4 seconds to the lenght |
| 01:38.05 | cbreak | I'd expect more ticks |
| 01:38.07 | cbreak | of the same damage |
| 01:38.13 | cbreak | (not that I have tried) |
| 01:38.22 | mikma | ok that was the kind of answer i was after |
| 01:40.11 | cbreak | my root terminal has a red background, makes me only use it when really needed :) (yes, I should use sudo, but it's a pain with a long password :) |
| 01:40.30 | mikma | haha |
| 01:41.12 | mikma | "My Rips ticks for 660 without the Glyph for 12 seconds, every 2 seconds, and with the Glyph it ticks for 660 for 16 seconds, every 2 seconds. So basically this Glyph just adds 2 extra ticks at the orginal Damage. It's pure awesome!" |
| 01:43.22 | cbreak | what's the CD and oportunity cost of rip? |
| 01:43.29 | cbreak | (and real cost) |
| 01:43.42 | NightHawkTheSane | no CD, it's a finisher |
| 01:43.47 | NightHawkTheSane | (consumes CP) |
| 01:44.03 | cbreak | so high cost |
| 01:44.06 | cbreak | I guess |
| 01:44.15 | cbreak | (depends on how valuable those CP are) |
| 01:44.16 | mikma | 30 energy |
| 01:44.28 | Lukian | we need the glyph to fix our cycle so rip doesn't drop :p |
| 01:44.29 | mikma | and consumes all CP which increases the damage |
| 01:44.39 | mikma | in my case, 4356 over 12sec with 5CP |
| 01:45.01 | mikma | lukian: Glyph of Rip, increases duration by 4 sec. |
| 01:45.48 | Corrodias | Rip is the most energy-efficient means of damaging the enemy if it gets all its ticks in |
| 01:45.57 | Corrodias | at least as of 2.1 or so |
| 01:46.02 | Corrodias | on bosses who are not bleed-immune, it was the finisher of choice |
| 01:46.30 | mikma | so basicly, if my calculations are correct, Glyph of Rip changes 4356 over 12sec to 5888 over 16 sec |
| 01:46.56 | Corrodias | increasing it with another two free ticks would be sweet... except that sometimes you're building 5 combo points back up in less than 12 seconds |
| 01:47.00 | mikma | rip + mangle = hot |
| 01:47.18 | Corrodias | having to wait 16 seconds between rips wouldn't exactly slow things down, since it's still ticking, but it might be wasted |
| 01:47.31 | Corrodias | depending on how much time you have to attack the enemy |
| 01:47.53 | Corrodias | if you've got times when you have to step back and can't attack, then it's definitely worthwhile |
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| 01:48.44 | mikma | [03:47:29] [Bloodmoth] says: mooove or get trampled :P |
| 01:48.51 | mikma | dude with mammoth said this to me |
| 01:49.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: well, the thing is there's other things to spend CP on at 80 :P |
| 01:49.28 | Corrodias | well, i did say as of 2.1 >_> |
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| 01:54.23 | Cralor` | what part of the RuneFrame.lua (http://wowcompares.com/3039183/FrameXML/RuneFrame.lua) does the "circling" where part is low alpha and some is regular alpha. (showing cooldown till rune is ready) |
| 01:55.31 | Cralor` | for some reason i have removed that feature with my DK addon. only way i can get that back is by copying the function Blizzard has, right? |
| 01:58.26 | Iriel | You need to duplicate that function in your addon if you want it, yes |
| 01:58.39 | Iriel | Though you dont have to "copy" blizzard's - you could write your own |
| 01:59.11 | Cralor` | that part is finding it, though :P |
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| 01:59.53 | Iriel | RuneFrame.lua |
| 02:00.24 | Cralor` | that's what i said... i cannot find it :D |
| 02:00.48 | Cralor` | i thought it was "fill" but that is all commented out |
| 02:01.35 | Iriel | Look for the Cooldown stuff |
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| 02:11.56 | Shirik | Khanok the Impassable's melee swing hits Kimina for 39849 Physical (51209 Overkill) |
| 02:12.48 | mikma | didn't purl have a calculator? |
| 02:12.58 | mikma | !lua print(2+2) |
| 02:12.58 | batbot | mikma: 4 |
| 02:12.59 | [Wobin] | ~1+1 |
| 02:12.59 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, 1+1 is 3 for large values of 1, or 0 |
| 02:12.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: quit trying to pass the inpassable |
| 02:13.04 | mikma | that'll do too |
| 02:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | s/inp/imp/ |
| 02:13.23 | [Wobin] | Shirik: YOU SHALL NOT PASS? |
| 02:38.43 | [Wobin] | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1vDPcXTRIs |
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| 03:19.00 | mikma | antiarc: lol, it works ^^ |
| 03:20.54 | WobWork | mikma: what was the macro? |
| 03:25.08 | Dewin | Party vs. Arugal: 1 to 0. Party vs. Server: 0 to 4 |
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| 03:39.55 | Shirik|Ecole | Okay, professor asked us to write a C program that simulates a CPU (on-chip memory, decoding instructions, etc) |
| 03:40.08 | Shirik|Ecole | I just wrote the entire thing all at once. Chances it works first pass? |
| 03:40.33 | cbreak | how many instructions? |
| 03:40.39 | cbreak | how many lines of code? |
| 03:41.54 | cbreak | I'd give it 10% :) |
| 03:42.00 | Shirik|Ecole | This is the test file he gave us: |
| 03:42.01 | Shirik|Ecole | 08 10 00 b7 10 01 b7 10 02 a6 ff d4 00 10 03 19 |
| 03:42.06 | Shirik|Ecole | I haven't bothered to figure out what it's supposed to do yet |
| 03:43.00 | Shirik|Ecole | I guess the question really is "chances it doesn't crash?" |
| 03:45.14 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 03:45.19 | Thunder_Child | no go? |
| 03:45.20 | Shirik|Ecole | First-chance exception at 0x767cf35f in marie.exe: Microsoft C++ exception: GeneralProtectionFault at memory location 0x003af4d0.. |
| 03:45.24 | Shirik|Ecole | At least I know my internal checks work! |
| 03:45.31 | Thunder_Child | marie.exe? |
| 03:45.33 | Shirik|Ecole | But I'm fairly certain the script isn't supposed to crash |
| 03:45.39 | Shirik|Ecole | that's the name of our cpu |
| 03:45.40 | ScytheBlade1 | marie.exe? |
| 03:45.43 | Shirik|Ecole | It stands for something |
| 03:45.44 | ScytheBlade1 | uh-huh |
| 03:45.46 | Thunder_Child | our? |
| 03:45.51 | ScytheBlade1 | HAHA |
| 03:45.53 | ScytheBlade1 | LOOOOOOOOOOOL |
| 03:46.05 | Shirik|Ecole | http://books.google.com/books?id=QGPHAl9GE-IC&pg=PA177&lpg=PA177&dq=MARIE+a+simple+computer&source=web&ots=FTCxqLsU5W&sig=V0-3zD7iZNOPCD1uy7QkOAHL3wo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result |
| 03:46.28 | Shirik|Ecole | Machine Architecture that is Really Simple and Easy |
| 03:46.30 | mikma | c++? |
| 03:46.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Man that link totally kills it |
| 03:46.33 | mikma | HAHAHA LOOOOOOOOOL ;) |
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| 03:46.50 | Thunder_Child | ....MARIE != THat |
| 03:46.56 | Thunder_Child | MARSE |
| 03:47.17 | Shirik|Ecole | uh |
| 03:47.27 | Shirik|Ecole | sorry |
| 03:47.31 | Shirik|Ecole | Really Intuitive and Easy |
| 03:47.55 | Thunder_Child | are you finding it really intutive and easy Shirik? |
| 03:48.02 | Shirik|Ecole | well |
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| 03:48.08 | Shirik|Ecole | considering I coded the entire implementation at Panera |
| 03:48.13 | Shirik|Ecole | I'd have to say yes... |
| 03:49.06 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 03:49.07 | ScytheBlade1 | The Texas Advanced Computing Center has built one of the largest tiled displays ever. They arranged 75 30inch Dell displays in a 5Ã15 pattern. The overall the system has 36GB of graphics memory and 108GB of system memory. They intend on using the system to display very large data sets. |
| 03:49.13 | ScytheBlade1 | If you think the size seems arbitrary, it is. They just happened to purchase five more monitors than the University of California San Diego. |
| 03:49.31 | Shirik|Ecole | lol |
| 03:54.19 | Iriel | 5 x 14 seems even more arbitrary |
| 03:54.39 | Iriel | or did they do 10 x 7? |
| 03:55.10 | Thunder_Child | 5 X 15 |
| 03:55.26 | Thunder_Child | oh... |
| 03:55.29 | Thunder_Child | sdsu |
| 03:55.39 | Thunder_Child | s/sdsu/ucsd/ |
| 03:58.10 | NightHawkTheSsan | thats one hell of a typo, ucsd into sdsu? :P |
| 03:59.16 | Shirik|Ecole | endian mismatch imo |
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| 04:37.15 | Shirik|Ecole | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYvcSjTeF7o |
| 04:42.17 | Corrodias | yay <3 |
| 04:54.12 | mikma | robot chicken <3 |
| 04:55.19 | mikma | antiarc: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_112408_065214.jpg |
| 05:04.28 | Gnarfoz | mikma: that's some hot LootSlot() loop action going on there! |
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| 05:12.32 | Shirik|Ecole | when did adult swim turn into crap? |
| 05:15.17 | NightHawkTheSsan | about the time they started showing naruto? |
| 05:19.23 | Nom- | ssh tunnels ftw |
| 05:28.03 | Shirik|Ecole | don't like naruto, NightHawkTheSsan? |
| 05:28.59 | NightHawkTheSsan | typo |
| 05:29.29 | NightHawkTheSane | and meh, naruto's okay.. i'm not a HUGE fan. |
| 05:29.49 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't like it |
| 05:30.08 | Shirik|Ecole | It falls into the category of those overhyped american animes imo |
| 05:31.32 | Corrodias | american? ?_? |
| 05:31.41 | Shirik|Ecole | not in creation |
| 05:31.42 | Corrodias | you best be trollin |
| 05:31.57 | Shirik|Ecole | but it definitely seems that people in the US have taken some sort of liking to it |
| 05:36.11 | NightHawkTheSane | "Oh Novos!" done. :D |
| 05:36.50 | |Jelly| | GOD I hate idiots. |
| 05:37.15 | |Jelly| | Just had a 15 minute argument with someone who was SOOOO sure that carbonite "hacked" his friend's accounts. |
| 05:38.18 | Shirik|Ecole | lol |
| 05:38.19 | ccox | Shirik - I think that happened when they tried to make their own shows |
| 05:38.29 | ccox | Shirik: so far, only one of them is funny |
| 05:38.33 | Shirik|Ecole | |Jelly|: In your guild, no? |
| 05:38.44 | Shirik|Ecole | ccox: robot chicken or aqtf? |
| 05:38.53 | ccox | robot chicken |
| 05:39.06 | Shirik|Ecole | aqtf is ok sometimes, sometimes it's just stupid though |
| 05:39.12 | ccox | ATHF is only funny about once a year |
| 05:39.12 | Shirik|Ecole | the rest I just plain don't understand |
| 05:39.35 | Shirik|Ecole | I just watched this one show... super jail or something? |
| 05:39.44 | Shirik|Ecole | I just stared at it the whole time going "wtf" |
| 05:39.49 | ccox | the bad part is that they've moved decent anime to 3am, and lame shows into the 10pm-1am slots |
| 05:39.54 | Shirik|Ecole | Then I had to go to walgreens to get ice cream |
| 05:40.04 | |Jelly| | Shirik: No |
| 05:40.07 | ccox | Shirik|Ecole: yeah, that was my reaction too (except for the ice cream) |
| 05:40.49 | Corrodias | superjail is designed to just be a big wtf, i think |
| 05:41.20 | ccox | then they succeded, now they can stop making episodes and put something decent back |
| 05:41.40 | Corrodias | i'd rather see mission hill replays |
| 05:45.14 | Nom- | e0NSWVBUfSQxJDE3NWQwZDMwJFNSbllWRmdiQmRLVzg4VXAyeFJKby4= <-- that look like an MD5 hash to you guys? |
| 05:50.04 | Iriel | no |
| 05:50.06 | Iriel | it's far too long |
| 05:50.18 | Iriel | it's not a SHA-1 either |
| 05:50.25 | NightHawkTheSane | It's a TRAP! |
| 05:50.51 | Nom- | I'm confused then :( |
| 05:52.16 | mikma | nom-: run it through rot-13 |
| 05:54.04 | Shirik|Ecole | Nom-: that looks like it might be base 64? |
| 05:54.40 | Iriel | i agree it looks base 64 encoded |
| 05:54.46 | Iriel | whatever it is |
| 05:54.47 | bleeter | huzzah! new oceanic pvp realm and freee tx's... onya blizz :) |
| 05:55.02 | bleeter | yeah, b64 |
| 05:55.22 | Tem | nfw |
| 05:55.27 | Tem | queues on my server at midnight |
| 05:55.31 | Tem | you have to be kidding me |
| 05:56.12 | Iriel | its the achievement |
| 05:56.17 | Iriel | everyone wants it |
| 05:57.27 | ajmitch | bleeter: yeah, and how many people are going to complain because they transferred to the pve server already? :) |
| 05:57.31 | Nom- | hmmm |
| 05:57.37 | Nom- | ssha maybe |
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| 05:59.04 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> #("e0NSWVBUfSQxJDE3NWQwZDMwJFNSbllWRmdiQmRLVzg4VXAyeFJKby4=") * 64 |
| 05:59.04 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: 3584 |
| 05:59.15 | Nom- | ahah... if i base64 decode it, i get {CRYPT}$1$175d0d30$SRnYVFgbBdKW88Up2xRJo. |
| 05:59.24 | Nom- | now... *ponder* ... wtf is that |
| 05:59.25 | Nom- | lol |
| 05:59.36 | Shirik|Ecole | yay, I was right in saying it looks like base 64 :) |
| 05:59.49 | Shirik|Ecole | I consider my job done |
| 05:59.58 | Shirik|Ecole | you're on your own for the other part |
| 05:59.59 | Nom- | Then, once I work out what it is, I have to find out how to use it in Java *lol* |
| 06:00.33 | Shirik|Ecole | I have successfully deciphered the example program my professor gave me so I can tell if it's working correctly |
| 06:00.52 | bleeter | ajmitch: those people are idiots, was fairly self evident blizz would have to do something soon. the game sales stats out this week that I saw had the battlechest at something like #5 of all PC game sales in Australia =)) |
| 06:01.08 | Shirik|Ecole | Problem is, the first 3 instructions are "LOAD ACC, $1000; ADD ACC, $1001; ADD ACC, $1002" ... and there's nothing in any of those memory locations to start with >.> |
| 06:01.17 | Shirik|Ecole | he likes toying with my brain :( |
| 06:01.35 | bleeter | ajmitch: and Wrath being #1 |
| 06:01.39 | Shirik|Ecole | The correct operation of the program is that it does nothing... It adds up 3 zeroes and then stores them in a place where zero was |
| 06:04.13 | Nom- | hhahahaha |
| 06:04.33 | Nom- | i need hash="md5" base64="true" |
| 06:04.34 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 06:04.38 | bleeter | Wrath #1, Battlechest #5, BC #6, CLassic #10. |
| 06:05.38 | Shirik|Ecole | ok time for sleep |
| 06:05.39 | Shirik|Ecole | night |
| 06:06.26 | bleeter | gnight Shirik|Ecole |
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| 06:45.12 | Tekkub | duuuuuuuuuuude |
| 06:45.22 | Tekkub | you can get 2 blue gems for crushing saronite! |
| 06:46.46 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3054757659/ |
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| 07:09.31 | Nom- | lol... AFACT makes me laugh |
| 07:10.01 | Nom- | "We provided extremely detailed information on infringements" ... so they provided really detailed allegations |
| 07:10.07 | Nom- | Yeah... that's going to go far... |
| 07:13.17 | Nom- | The reasons why they're going after ISP's are really funny |
| 07:13.34 | Nom- | Basically it costs too much to go after the end users and the judgements wouldn't be worthwhile |
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| 07:14.30 | Nom- | Basically the judgements would be like: "You pirated 200 MP3's. We order you to pay the plaintiff $200 in damages" - next case |
| 07:14.56 | Nom- | It's not worth their time to go after the end user, so they go after the ISP's where they hope to score a big paycheck |
| 07:17.30 | ZorbaBeta | don't crush saronite, give it to me! I need it! :( |
| 07:17.45 | AnduinLothar | me too |
| 07:18.08 | bleeter | Nom-: are you sure? are you sure you're sure? don't forget, the lawyers going after iiNet are the same dude who got kazaa shut down ;) |
| 07:18.15 | bleeter | dudes |
| 07:23.44 | Nom- | Ya, but again they were going after a company |
| 07:23.44 | Nom- | Not an individual |
| 07:23.44 | Nom- | Under Australian law, they can only claim for damages... not punitive damages |
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| 08:17.15 | bleeter | Nom-, WobWork, norgs and other Oceanic types... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12890952696&sid=1 |
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| 08:26.28 | Cidan | well |
| 08:26.31 | Cidan | This is fine. |
| 08:27.01 | Corrodias | why would he want to join an oceanic realm from germany? |
| 08:28.24 | bleeter | why would anyone think anything but English is the language spoken around the region? |
| 08:28.33 | Nom- | Euro = No English |
| 08:28.37 | Nom- | Or at the very least Engrish |
| 08:28.58 | Corrodias | let me rephrase the question |
| 08:29.22 | bleeter | Corrodias: probably about to be moved to a pacific base, eg guam/japan etc. |
| 08:29.34 | bleeter | being a military person |
| 08:29.34 | Nom- | Germany is on a similar timezone to oceanic |
| 08:29.39 | Corrodias | why would he want to join an oceanic realm, from germany, rather than a US realm? the servers are still in the US, aren't they? |
| 08:29.41 | bleeter | Nom-: oh yeah, I forgot that |
| 08:29.50 | Corrodias | it is? :o |
| 08:29.54 | Nom- | If he's come from the US then he probably already has a US account |
| 08:30.03 | Nom- | Oceanic uses US accounts |
| 08:30.10 | Corrodias | it does :O |
| 08:30.46 | Nom- | oh... or not |
| 08:30.49 | Nom- | China does |
| 08:30.53 | Nom- | Wrong end of the island |
| 08:31.04 | bleeter | such an easy mistake to make |
| 08:31.19 | Nom- | It's a bloody island directly north of us |
| 08:31.27 | Nom- | Why should I care which end of the island Germany is on? |
| 08:31.35 | Nom- | :P |
| 08:32.16 | Nom- | I suppose it depends when he gets to play though... It's 9:30am in Berlin now, and 5:30pm here |
| 08:32.20 | Nom- | So it's just peak time right now |
| 08:32.29 | Nom- | for us |
| 08:32.57 | bleeter | I reckon it's 'coz of being reassigned inside the military, say if he's going to be in out TZ for a couple of years |
| 08:33.11 | Corrodias | it could be because of the times of day he gets to play, this is true |
| 08:33.21 | bleeter | or maybe they get better pings from Afganistan to Oceanics if he's being put into the field, etc. |
| 08:33.39 | Corrodias | i know i was sick of the sky ALWAYS being dark when i played |
| 08:33.48 | Corrodias | except on weekends |
| 08:34.03 | bleeter | I got sick of having to raid on Monday mornings at 7AM, so I was 'forced' to give up my RP :( |
| 08:34.13 | Corrodias | they couldn't give azeroth 23 hour days or something, noooo |
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| 08:44.32 | Cidan | So |
| 08:44.46 | Cidan | I maybe sort of stole a guildmates girlfriend away from him |
| 08:45.05 | Cidan | Granted, he was a total ass, but... yeah. |
| 08:45.24 | sioraioc_ | that's interesting... |
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| 08:47.08 | Cidan | It is, it is. |
| 08:47.20 | Cidan | This is all real life, not like, in-game stealing or whatever. |
| 08:48.11 | mikma | Death Knights are SOOOO 1337! Oe's Rune Strike hits Crypt Crawler for 1337 Physical. |
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| 09:03.23 | mikma | cidan: what can we say other than: gz! :D |
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| 09:11.25 | cbreak | Cidan: did it require force and/or use of chemicals? |
| 09:25.54 | zenzio | some guildie must have been really bored today... go an application that amongst other things says "I have done the Serpent Shine Caverns. The Black Template. The Tempests Kape. Magisters Tears. Mount Hyrule" |
| 09:26.53 | krka | :) |
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| 10:09.37 | cbreak | what HUD addon would you recommend? I did use IceHUD, but it used up a lot of CPU time, which I didn't like. |
| 10:09.47 | Dewin | I'm currently using dhud |
| 10:09.52 | Dewin | I miss metahud though |
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| 10:17.33 | cbreak | Hmm... TextHud looks interesting |
| 10:18.45 | Corrodias | is it all ascii art? |
| 10:19.49 | cbreak | there's a meta hud spinoff that works with WotLK. Or claims to at least. |
| 10:20.00 | cbreak | Corrodias: not even that, just text :) |
| 10:20.47 | Corrodias | intense |
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| 10:43.12 | WobWork | ooh. world server down |
| 10:43.20 | WobWork | Maybe I can get Higher Learning |
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| 12:52.46 | Fisker- | everyone be quiet |
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| 12:53.15 | Shirik|Ecole | stupid update manager doesn't know to request privileges on vista |
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| 13:29.40 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 13:29.42 | Shirik|Ecole | I like this bug report |
| 13:29.51 | Shirik|Ecole | Actual Results: boom, crash |
| 13:29.59 | Shirik|Ecole | Expected results: No boom, crash |
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| 13:36.31 | Fisker- | i saw what he did there |
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| 13:48.43 | Cidan | howdy |
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| 13:50.15 | Cidan | how's everyone? |
| 13:52.36 | Cidan | Really? |
| 13:52.41 | Cidan | That's amazing! |
| 13:52.44 | zenzio | LIES |
| 13:52.44 | Cidan | You don't say... |
| 13:53.07 | Cidan | sometime, I should get out of bed |
| 13:53.15 | Cidan | but laptop + bed = win |
| 13:53.32 | opant2 | that would hurt my neck :( |
| 13:53.42 | cbreak | bed is bad for laptop cooling |
| 13:53.49 | cbreak | make sure it gets enough air flow |
| 13:53.52 | Cidan | Don't care |
| 13:53.56 | Cidan | can't move |
| 13:53.59 | Cidan | too tired |
| 13:54.28 | Cidan | new girlfriend |
| 13:54.31 | Cidan | redhead |
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| 13:54.36 | Cidan | can't |
| 13:54.42 | Cidan | move, zzzzzzzzzzz |
| 13:54.44 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/490/ |
| 13:55.06 | Cidan | alestane: perfect |
| 13:59.32 | Cidan | I love how there's an xkcd for like |
| 13:59.35 | Cidan | everything |
| 14:00.10 | alestane | Or at least, everything a bunch of gamer programmers worries about. |
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| 14:00.29 | Lothaer | hey guys |
| 14:01.02 | zenzio | hello |
| 14:01.27 | Lothaer | hey can i get some advice on this http://videos.gotgame.com/video/fc0101b26c2ee583d5480b0bb |
| 14:01.33 | Lothaer | is it legal or a scam or what? |
| 14:01.51 | Lothaer | looks very interesting and if legit very useful |
| 14:03.05 | alestane | Looks like an overlay program. |
| 14:03.39 | alestane | Nothing illegitimate about overlays IIRC, people have been using them for Vent for years. |
| 14:03.55 | Lothaer | kk so its not gonna hack me? |
| 14:03.57 | alestane | They don't run inside WoW, they just allow windows to appear on top of full-screen mode. |
| 14:04.06 | alestane | I can't say that for sure. |
| 14:04.09 | zenzio | like any other executable, it could be malware |
| 14:04.10 | Cidan | No, it very well may. |
| 14:04.16 | zenzio | it probably isn't, but it could be |
| 14:04.23 | alestane | But it is possible for it to be legit. |
| 14:04.33 | Cidan | It could also steal all your passwords. |
| 14:04.40 | Cidan | No way to really find out. |
| 14:05.07 | alestane | Except independent research. |
| 14:05.17 | Cidan | oh |
| 14:05.19 | Cidan | Oh |
| 14:05.24 | Cidan | I saw a new item abou thtis |
| 14:05.26 | Cidan | this, even |
| 14:05.32 | Cidan | on Kotaku |
| 14:05.43 | Cidan | It's legit, so far as I know |
| 14:06.40 | Lothaer | well spybot and avg both returned nothing |
| 14:06.56 | Cidan | Yeh, I'm willing to bet you're fine. |
| 14:07.13 | Lothaer | kk thanks guys if anything happens ill let yas know |
| 14:07.23 | cbreak | mac os x wow has two fullscreen modes |
| 14:07.48 | cbreak | one real fullscreen which grabs the screen, and one "windowed" fullscreen which allows other windows to display in front |
| 14:07.57 | zenzio | same as Windows |
| 14:08.01 | Lothaer | comes default with curse as a bookmark :D |
| 14:08.43 | Cidan | cbreak: Windows can do that too |
| 14:08.58 | Cidan | That's how I play on my windows machine |
| 14:09.21 | cbreak | I found out about that not long ago. It's probably an ancient function :) |
| 14:09.28 | Cidan | yup |
| 14:09.34 | Cidan | pre BC they patched it in |
| 14:09.57 | cbreak | the only anoying thing is that some system key shortcuts are bound to spells, so if I press them it switches to an other virtual screen :/ |
| 14:10.08 | cbreak | I will have to change one of the two. |
| 14:12.08 | alestane | Like the way, if you have anything bound to F9-F12, playing in windowed mode unbinds all your Expose keys? |
| 14:14.32 | cbreak | yeah |
| 14:15.04 | cbreak | for some reason I didn't have that problem in ages though |
| 14:33.12 | Cidan | God |
| 14:33.15 | Cidan | so hungry |
| 14:33.18 | Cidan | don't want to move though |
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| 15:40.45 | Shirik | lua> return "a".b |
| 15:40.46 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: '<eof>' expected near '.' |
| 15:40.51 | Shirik | lua> return ("a").b |
| 15:40.51 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 15:41.05 | |Jelly| | ~~~~~ |
| 15:41.05 | purl | grrrr |
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| 15:51.16 | kneeki | alo |
| 15:53.06 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 15:54.00 | ReAn | *DANCE* |
| 15:54.08 | p3lim | ~seen starlon |
| 15:54.10 | purl | starlon is currently on #wowuidev #wowace #curseforge, last said: 'hah'. |
| 15:54.32 | p3lim | starlon: You gonna update oUF ReadyCheck any time soon? |
| 15:54.52 | Shirik | *#(@*%)(@*#% Windows |
| 15:55.00 | p3lim | Shirik: <3 |
| 15:55.03 | Shirik | How can I do the same thing as backticks in command prompt? |
| 15:55.09 | Shirik | as it does in bash |
| 15:55.10 | p3lim | backticks? |
| 15:55.28 | Shirik | yes like foo `bar` |
| 15:55.50 | ReAn | what do backticks do in bash? |
| 15:55.52 | Shirik | I have grep, I have find, but I can't do cat `find` | grep |
| 15:55.56 | p3lim | no clue, dont use gnu nor cmd :p |
| 15:56.09 | Shirik | ReAn: It's like a subcommand. Like... |
| 15:56.18 | Shirik | echo `bc 1+1` would output 2 |
| 15:56.25 | zenzelezz | don't know if the Windows shell actually supports that |
| 15:56.28 | ReAn | " " |
| 15:56.35 | Shirik | no |
| 15:56.38 | ReAn | hrm |
| 15:56.42 | Shirik | "" just makes it a single parameter |
| 15:56.54 | Shirik | backticks execute the command in the backticks |
| 15:56.59 | ReAn | ah |
| 15:57.00 | ReAn | right |
| 15:57.04 | Shirik | and the output goes into the command |
| 15:57.12 | ReAn | windows shell is too dumb for that |
| 15:57.21 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Have a better solution for cat `find` | grep? |
| 15:57.37 | Shirik | I want to recursively go through a subdirectory to check for a specific line in all files of that directory |
| 15:57.47 | zenzelezz | I'd have to know what find does that means you can't just find | grep |
| 15:57.50 | Shirik | Is there a bash for windows? ^_^ |
| 15:58.06 | ReAn | Shirik: in cygwin |
| 15:58.12 | Shirik | doesn't find just output the filenames? |
| 15:58.24 | Shirik | I'm not looking for the filenames, I'm looking for a line in the contents of the file |
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| 16:00.01 | Pneumatus | grep :o |
| 16:00.26 | Pneumatus | grep -rn 'string' * |
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| 16:01.51 | Pneumatus | -r recurses grep, anyway |
| 16:01.52 | Shirik | a.exe.stackdump:ebp=0027CCB8 esp=0027CCB0 program=C:\cygwin\home\mpdelbuono\a.ex |
| 16:01.53 | Shirik | e, pid 5260, thread main |
| 16:01.54 | Shirik | pro. |
| 16:02.02 | Shirik | that was from grep |
| 16:02.06 | Pneumatus | :o |
| 16:02.31 | Pneumatus | i forget why i use -n, its probably line numbers |
| 16:02.41 | Shirik | it is |
| 16:02.47 | Shirik | Actually what I wanted was -Hr |
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| 17:05.06 | Lothaer | anyone here use Servant of Arthas? |
| 17:05.10 | Trixer | no |
| 17:05.15 | Trixer | well I mean I dont haha |
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| 17:05.22 | Trixer | whats it do? |
| 17:06.15 | Lothaer | plays sounds based on certain criteria for Death Knights |
| 17:06.47 | Lothaer | but its Sudden Doom (Death Trance) sounds dosnt work, im trying to fix it myself but im not making any head way |
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| 17:12.35 | Trixer | ahh nope never used it |
| 17:12.41 | Trixer | Im staying away from death nights at the moment haha |
| 17:13.13 | Beladona | if you plan to ever play one |
| 17:13.17 | Beladona | I recommend at least creating it |
| 17:13.22 | Trixer | Why? |
| 17:13.23 | Beladona | so that it accrues rest xp |
| 17:13.29 | Trixer | ahh good point |
| 17:13.43 | Lothaer | lol |
| 17:13.49 | Lothaer | hey bela |
| 17:13.58 | Trixer | I just started a hunter, a nice pace of change from my priest... healing was starting to get mundane |
| 17:14.18 | Lothaer | i switch to a DK from my Priest :D |
| 17:14.19 | Trixer | and im thinking about creating a nice UI mod called something like "One Stop Hunter Helper" |
| 17:14.20 | Beladona | hiya |
| 17:14.34 | Beladona | heading out for lunch, bbs |
| 17:14.38 | Lothaer | k |
| 17:14.38 | Trixer | be well |
| 17:16.44 | Trixer | I really want to make a nice automated aspect manager.. that switches aspects based on certian conditions |
| 17:17.44 | Trixer | or at least 1 button switching based on a "reccomended" aspect which is found from certian conditions lol |
| 17:17.51 | Lothaer | i dont think thats possible is it? |
| 17:18.30 | Trixer | I dont see why it wouldnt be |
| 17:19.07 | Corr-work | because they're designed it so you can't have it automatically choose what spell to cast, beyond the limited choosing that macros can do |
| 17:19.11 | Corr-work | *they've |
| 17:19.11 | Lothaer | with atleast 1 button pressed it should be but not a automatic switched |
| 17:19.12 | Trixer | For instance lets say you have aspect of the cheetah on, and you get hit, it should be able to switch it to a diffrent aspect, and at the very least "recomend" a new one so you can press one button and switch to it |
| 17:19.25 | Trixer | yeah I dont think an auto will be possible either... |
| 17:19.39 | Corr-work | i got an addon that put my aspects onto the shapeshift bar |
| 17:19.43 | Corr-work | and used it foreeeeever |
| 17:20.12 | Trixer | Well, theres just so much to manage in pvp.. man... as a hunter.. pet.. CC.. damage..aspects its crazy |
| 17:20.22 | Trixer | so im trying to get it all down to a bit more manageableness haha |
| 17:21.10 | Lothaer | if it was a warning type of thing ie your running with AotC on and you get hit a warning appears "You have been hit with Aspect of the Cheetah on, do you wish to change to X Aspect" |
| 17:21.11 | cladhaire | You can have a series of buttons |
| 17:21.16 | Lothaer | that would be ok |
| 17:21.17 | cladhaire | and it can highlight which one you should do |
| 17:21.32 | Trixer | I should be able to make it work to auto switch |
| 17:21.34 | cladhaire | but it cannot give you a button that "Does the right thing" |
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| 17:21.40 | cladhaire | no, you're not listening |
| 17:21.45 | cladhaire | you can never automatically cast or target |
| 17:21.45 | Trixer | ok ok im listening now |
| 17:21.47 | cladhaire | ever |
| 17:21.51 | Trixer | no no I dont me auto |
| 17:21.55 | Trixer | I mean it reccomends one... |
| 17:21.56 | cladhaire | well, you said auto |
| 17:22.00 | Trixer | and you click a button and it uses it |
| 17:22.04 | Trixer | yeah I relised it wont auto |
| 17:22.04 | Trixer | my bad |
| 17:22.05 | cladhaire | the first yes |
| 17:22.06 | cladhaire | the second no |
| 17:22.12 | Trixer | why not? |
| 17:22.17 | cladhaire | because, this is the way the system works |
| 17:22.23 | cladhaire | all buttons must be pre-programmed |
| 17:22.27 | Trixer | so like I couldnt say something like |
| 17:22.30 | cladhaire | if you are in-combat.. you can't "decide" what to do |
| 17:22.34 | cladhaire | YOU have to make that decision |
| 17:22.42 | Trixer | if recomend == 1 then "/cast ascpect cheetah"; |
| 17:22.46 | cladhaire | nope |
| 17:22.50 | Trixer | I know thats not right coding but its a general |
| 17:22.55 | Trixer | Then how does heal bot do shit like that? |
| 17:22.56 | cladhaire | You cannot "Do The Right Thing" |
| 17:23.01 | cladhaire | It doesn't? |
| 17:23.05 | Trixer | yes it does |
| 17:23.07 | Trixer | I have used it for ever |
| 17:23.16 | cladhaire | And what it used to do, and what it currently does are two different things. |
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| 17:23.22 | Trixer | it does it now |
| 17:23.24 | cladhaire | Healbot cannot ever decide what healing spell to use |
| 17:23.28 | Trixer | :| |
| 17:23.35 | Corr-work | hunters are indeed complex |
| 17:24.06 | Trixer | Are you sure clad cause it seemed to be working fine last night? |
| 17:24.08 | cladhaire | Trixer: I would appreciate a link to the specific version of Healbot you are using that you think is making intelligent situational decisions for you in combat |
| 17:24.17 | Lothaer | from my understanding all healbot does is alloow you to click on a UF and cast a spell with Left-click, Right-Click etc etc |
| 17:24.22 | cladhaire | Lothaer: idd |
| 17:24.44 | Trixer | It also decides which rank is best... I mean I might be wrong it might not be deciding ranks anymore but i thought it was |
| 17:24.49 | Trixer | one sec |
| 17:24.51 | cladhaire | Trixer: If you are referring to the OUT OF COMBAT version.. then correct |
| 17:24.54 | cladhaire | that's COMPLETELY different |
| 17:25.03 | cladhaire | we can make all sorts of decisions out of combat.. but absolutely not in combat. |
| 17:25.07 | cladhaire | I've already said this |
| 17:25.17 | cladhaire | Not to mention that downranking isn't useful at all anymore |
| 17:25.19 | cladhaire | in fact its more costly |
| 17:25.30 | cladhaire | but it hasn't been possible to "Do the right thing" while in combat since 2.X hit. |
| 17:25.50 | Trixer | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/heal-bot-continued.aspx |
| 17:25.51 | cladhaire | I know, because I hated Healbot and everything it stood for, and was happy they removed the ability to make an addon play the game for you |
| 17:25.58 | Lothaer | and scaling down spells is BAD these days |
| 17:26.09 | cladhaire | Trixer: That version most certainly does not do anything automatically in combat |
| 17:26.17 | kneeki | What is that called when you see some crazy lines all about your screen? Render <something> |
| 17:26.21 | kneeki | Render Fragments? |
| 17:26.28 | Trixer | Ok thanks Clad... |
| 17:26.31 | Corr-work | that downranking thing is unfortunate |
| 17:26.41 | cladhaire | Not really |
| 17:26.45 | bnovc | kneeki: not redrawing on top of old memory :\ |
| 17:26.48 | Trixer | I dont use it when I play my priest, I use it for my shamman as a back up thing when questing so I am probally wrong |
| 17:26.50 | Corr-work | well... i guess it depends on what you mean by "more costly" |
| 17:26.55 | cladhaire | being able to downrank was making certain classes the most efficient, and was ruining the game |
| 17:27.06 | Trixer | ok I have a question then, is it possible to get a UI mod to cast a spell for you with a command? |
| 17:27.10 | cladhaire | it means Rank 5 of a spell when you have Rank 7 will cost at LEAST as much as Rank 7. |
| 17:27.12 | Trixer | or do the spells have to bound to buttons now? |
| 17:27.22 | cladhaire | Trixer: The spells have to be buttons, but you can use keybindings as well. |
| 17:27.25 | bnovc | *cough* roots |
| 17:27.36 | Trixer | could I creatively rebind keys to get this effect? |
| 17:27.40 | cladhaire | NO! |
| 17:27.44 | Arrowmaster | or you can type /cast SpellName for each spell |
| 17:27.46 | |Jelly| | Regardless, Clique > Healbot. End of story. |
| 17:27.54 | cladhaire | YOU CANNOT WRITE AN ADDON THAT WILL AUTOMATICALLY "DO THE RIGHT THING" IN COMBAT |
| 17:27.58 | Corr-work | so healing people far below your level becomes almost as hard as healing people of your own level? ?_? |
| 17:28.00 | Trixer | lmao ok ok Clad |
| 17:28.04 | Corr-work | "hard" |
| 17:28.08 | Corr-work | mana-costly i mean. |
| 17:28.33 | cladhaire | yep |
| 17:28.49 | Corr-work | healing touch could heal three times their total health, so there's no point in using it at all. wow, i'm not pleased by that :| |
| 17:28.57 | cladhaire | It was necessary |
| 17:29.00 | Lothaer | Trixer - lower rank spells now use the same MP as max rank |
| 17:29.02 | cladhaire | and that's an edge case that isn't actually a problem |
| 17:29.04 | Corr-work | if it were a flat efficiency curve, that would make downranking pointless in endgame situations |
| 17:29.14 | Corr-work | without limiting the "lowbie fun" |
| 17:29.25 | |Jelly| | Question: If they made it so that lower ranks of spells cost *at least* as much as their higher ranked counterparts, why are we even discussing the idea of an addon downranking? Or am I missing something? |
| 17:29.25 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 17:29.30 | Corr-work | but they had to turn the slope upside down? :( |
| 17:29.43 | cladhaire | |Jelly|: we're discussing Trixer wanting a "magic play the game for me" button |
| 17:29.49 | cladhaire | Corr-work: it isn't actually an issue |
| 17:29.54 | cladhaire | I heal lower level charhacters all of the time without any problem |
| 17:30.03 | cladhaire | considering the damage a player takes scales up as you level |
| 17:30.05 | cladhaire | so it all evens out |
| 17:30.34 | Lothaer | pre 1.12 (i think) automated play was possible, but when that came out it killed alot of mods it Decursive |
| 17:30.49 | cladhaire | pre 2.x |
| 17:30.49 | |Jelly| | clad: Oh. Well, that makes sense. :-\ |
| 17:30.57 | Corr-work | well, whatever. it seems a little unfair to healers, to me, but i haven't played in ages so i guess my experiences are kind of outdated now. |
| 17:31.00 | kd3 | december of 06... it's nearly been 2 years |
| 17:31.03 | bnovc | cladhaire: when you heal a lower level does the downranked cost less mana still? |
| 17:31.12 | kd3 | why are we still having this discussion 2 years later? |
| 17:31.14 | cladhaire | No, it costs the same amount of mana |
| 17:31.26 | cladhaire | kd3: because people don't read my book =( |
| 17:31.27 | bnovc | that seems wrong |
| 17:31.29 | |Jelly| | Unfair to healers? |
| 17:31.29 | Lothaer | i play a holy priest and ive never downranked in 3+years of healing |
| 17:31.36 | cladhaire | bnovc: Why? It doesn't change anything |
| 17:31.42 | Lothaer | so this change didnt affect my play style ;D |
| 17:31.42 | Trixer | You hav ea book clad? |
| 17:31.48 | |Jelly| | "Hey guys ... you're going to actually have to play your character now. Sorry guys." |
| 17:31.55 | Lothaer | lol |
| 17:31.56 | Corr-work | it makes healers who are running groups of lowbies in something have to spend a lot more mana to do their jobs |
| 17:31.58 | bnovc | cladhaire: you shouldn't go oom casting downranked spells when you're forced to do it |
| 17:32.02 | cladhaire | if over the course of a bossfight at level 70, you cast 50 spells.. you'll cast roughly the same amount of spells on a level 40 character fighting a boss.. if not less.. and thus have more mana |
| 17:32.06 | cladhaire | >< |
| 17:32.07 | bnovc | not that i care because i rarely heal lowbies |
| 17:32.18 | Anaral | Is all of Ruin Battlegroup down? |
| 17:32.18 | cladhaire | you're complaining on principle, when there is actually no issue |
| 17:32.20 | cladhaire | which I don't undestand. |
| 17:32.34 | Trixer | Clad whats your books name? |
| 17:32.36 | Trixer | I will read it |
| 17:32.40 | cladhaire | ~wowprogramming |
| 17:32.41 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 17:32.43 | Shirik | I WIN |
| 17:32.46 | Shirik | damn it |
| 17:32.47 | Lothaer | if i were to run lowbies through id just use CoH when they get low health :D |
| 17:32.49 | Shirik | purl says I didn't :( |
| 17:32.50 | Corr-work | well, in my case, it's because i haven't played in ages and don't have any recent experience. |
| 17:32.51 | |Jelly| | So the solution as far as I can tell is: don't run lowbies through instances. |
| 17:32.55 | cladhaire | Corr-work: they spend the same amount of mana as they would with someone their own level |
| 17:32.57 | Shirik | (12:32:26) (purl) Someone already said that 1 seconds ago |
| 17:32.59 | bnovc | Shirik: you lost :( |
| 17:33.16 | Trixer | Thanks Purl |
| 17:33.18 | |Jelly| | ~failrik |
| 17:33.19 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 17:33.28 | Trixer | I wonder if I my books a million has that in stock |
| 17:33.36 | Lothaer | theres also Hackign World of Warcraft by Dan and James |
| 17:33.43 | cladhaire | Lothaer: not useful to Trixer |
| 17:33.48 | cladhaire | but would actually get this message across :P |
| 17:33.59 | Trixer | Its not that I dont want to play my character haha |
| 17:34.03 | Arrowmaster | i thought that one was from like wow 1.x |
| 17:34.06 | cladhaire | I know, you just want it to be easier |
| 17:34.15 | Lothaer | lol i got my copy of Hacking World of Warcraft free from Dan :D |
| 17:34.16 | cladhaire | but there are a lot of things that addons cannot do |
| 17:34.18 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: it was post 2.X |
| 17:34.20 | Trixer | I just want to make a mod that would switch aspects based on my log so im not reaching all over the keyboard but its kewl I understand now I cant... |
| 17:34.40 | cladhaire | Trixer: my suggestion.. make a bar of aspect buttons in one place that are easily reachable |
| 17:34.45 | Corr-work | get an addon that puts aspects on the shapeshift bar, and keep the most commonly used ones near the front if you can edit the order |
| 17:34.48 | cladhaire | and have the one you "should" cast highlighted with sparklies or something |
| 17:34.50 | Corr-work | that's what i did anyway |
| 17:34.53 | Shirik | There is an infinite amount of things that addons can do, however there are a lot of things addons cannot do |
| 17:34.55 | cladhaire | yeah that works too |
| 17:34.56 | Shirik | ^ that's deep |
| 17:34.59 | |Jelly| | Trixer: Look at oPie. It's <3 |
| 17:35.00 | cladhaire | its all personal preference |
| 17:35.09 | Trixer | Yeah Clad, I suppose I could do that.. but really that dosnt change my postion haha |
| 17:35.09 | cladhaire | indeed, oPie works for this as well |
| 17:35.16 | Trixer | cause I already know in my mind the one I Should change.. |
| 17:35.23 | Trixer | though I do always forget to turn on and off viper |
| 17:35.28 | cladhaire | Well, you'll never get around that. |
| 17:35.33 | cladhaire | You always have to make the decision :P |
| 17:35.33 | Trixer | Yeah I know |
| 17:35.39 | cladhaire | if you're in combat, that is |
| 17:35.39 | Lothaer | hey Clad any plans for another book? |
| 17:35.58 | cladhaire | Lothaer: Possibly an update to the first one, but not a new topic entirely.. not even sure about a revision. |
| 17:36.02 | Trixer | and is this books information still relievent? |
| 17:36.08 | cladhaire | incredibly |
| 17:36.11 | Trixer | awesome |
| 17:36.26 | Trixer | I normally dont buy wow books cause for the most part it all changes so much |
| 17:36.35 | Amarande | WTB mature people in hellfire :( |
| 17:36.37 | Trixer | the books get out dated almost as fast as getting them |
| 17:36.52 | Trixer | Seerah did you order yours? |
| 17:36.54 | Lothaer | cause ive got a great idea but no skill to make them come alive |
| 17:36.55 | Arrowmaster | the book was written for wow 2.3 so it doesnt have the combatlog changes from 2.4 or the new secure frame changes in 3.0 |
| 17:36.57 | |Jelly| | WTB a non-broken battlegroup. :( |
| 17:37.10 | Arrowmaster | |Jelly|: yeah i know |
| 17:37.14 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: those are the only "omissions" or "changes" |
| 17:37.20 | Seerah|away | Trixer: I got my copy right after it came out |
| 17:37.21 | cladhaire | but the other 950 pages are still relevant :P |
| 17:37.30 | Arrowmaster | cladhaire: exactly |
| 17:37.35 | Trixer | Yes but did you get it in a store or order it |
| 17:37.38 | |Jelly| | The QQ on the forums is amazing. |
| 17:37.39 | Seerah|away | Amazon |
| 17:37.40 | Trixer | cause im curious if books a million would have it |
| 17:37.45 | |Jelly| | "Psssh blizzard needs more money imo to finally get then option to just replace the whole server with a newer one, cause aparently there tech staff does not make enough to fix the broken battlegroup. " |
| 17:37.45 | Arrowmaster | order it from amazon |
| 17:37.54 | Seerah|away | got free shipping, too |
| 17:38.02 | Corr-work | replacing servers is easy and solves all problems |
| 17:38.09 | Corr-work | anyone who has turned on a computer can do it |
| 17:38.09 | |Jelly| | But of course. |
| 17:38.28 | cbreak | it would only solve hardware problems |
| 17:38.34 | cbreak | (that are computer related) |
| 17:38.39 | cbreak | not network problems, nor software problems |
| 17:38.50 | |Jelly| | Blasphemy. Replacing the server solves all problems. |
| 17:38.51 | Amarande | apparently, chatting in /1 is a good way to make people tell you to shut up |
| 17:38.59 | Trixer | lmao |
| 17:39.04 | Amarande | apparently, they want their area chat to be silent like a single player game |
| 17:39.12 | Trixer | I hate ordering stuff online cuase im so impatient... |
| 17:39.18 | Amarande | I told them they should play fable 2 if they don't want people to chat LOL |
| 17:39.32 | Trixer | by the time I get it I have lost interest in it or have already found the knowledge I wanted the book for online haha |
| 17:39.34 | |Jelly| | Amarande: If your server is like mine, you generally want to keep /1 and /2 turned off anyway. |
| 17:39.47 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 17:39.51 | Trixer | Yeah for the most part I keep /1 turned off |
| 17:40.02 | foxlit | ... GetCVar("UberTooltips") ... |
| 17:40.14 | Trixer | some times /2 it just depends on how im feeling |
| 17:40.18 | |Jelly| | Arrowmaster: I wish there was a way (I'm sure there is /wink) for me to ignore everything relating to Fywen and Cesia. I never want to see their names again. :P |
| 17:40.41 | Trixer | Why? |
| 17:40.44 | Arrowmaster | although on our server you sometimes have to worry about the invasion of a million lvl1 taurens to org |
| 17:40.45 | cbreak | you'd just have ignored yourself. |
| 17:40.46 | cladhaire | Oh damn, are we on 3.0.3? |
| 17:40.55 | kd3 | for a few weeks now |
| 17:40.59 | Shirik | cladhaire... |
| 17:41.05 | Lothaer | ROFLMAO |
| 17:41.17 | cbreak | 3.0.3 was released before the WotLK launch |
| 17:41.20 | Arrowmaster | noob |
| 17:41.24 | cladhaire | cbreak: so? |
| 17:41.26 | cladhaire | that means nothing to me |
| 17:41.35 | Lothaer | ~lol cladhaire |
| 17:41.36 | purl | ACTION Laughs out Loud at cladhaire |
| 17:41.36 | cbreak | it means that we have it for a few weeks now :) |
| 17:41.37 | kd3 | hey, my realm went poof |
| 17:41.42 | |Jelly| | Mine too! |
| 17:42.00 | kd3 | looks like all of ruin took a dive |
| 17:42.01 | |Jelly| | The story I'm telling is that they deleted the server. |
| 17:42.10 | kd3 | and vindi |
| 17:42.10 | Trixer | Really |
| 17:42.12 | Arrowmaster | vindication died too |
| 17:42.15 | Trixer | I guess theres only one way to solve my problem |
| 17:42.19 | Trixer | and thats to get a mouse with more buttons |
| 17:42.21 | Lothaer | was at 3.0.3 before the launch, when you isntalled WotLK you went back down to 3.0 and had to run the updates again |
| 17:42.25 | Trixer | really I just want a mouse covered in buttons |
| 17:42.29 | |Jelly| | Aren't those both in the dallas data center? |
| 17:42.32 | kd3 | ya |
| 17:42.44 | Arrowmaster | dallas center sucks |
| 17:42.45 | |Jelly| | BRB. Will drive there and see what's up. :P |
| 17:42.49 | cbreak | a mouse with trackpad o top? |
| 17:42.59 | Trixer | no thats not enough buttons |
| 17:43.11 | cbreak | you can make track pad gestures |
| 17:43.16 | Trixer | whats that? |
| 17:43.28 | cbreak | like the iPhone gestures |
| 17:43.31 | Trixer | yeah |
| 17:43.38 | Trixer | I just relised thathaha |
| 17:43.41 | Trixer | I was like wait what |
| 17:43.59 | Trixer | I would play wow and look like I Was drawing haha |
| 17:44.10 | Trixer | now wait was viper aspect a cross or two dots... |
| 17:44.19 | Arrowmaster | well im gona switch to the 360 while we wait for dallas to come back online |
| 17:44.59 | Amarande | dallas, huh ... cowboys must have lost again |
| 17:45.38 | Trixer | http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=9203359 |
| 17:45.42 | Trixer | i need that but in mouse form |
| 17:46.07 | Cidan | Does anyone know where I can find the art files for the new blue-colored WotLK buttons? |
| 17:46.32 | kd3 | in the gluexml? |
| 17:46.43 | Cidan | ugh, don't make me look in there |
| 17:46.44 | Cidan | D= |
| 17:46.48 | cladhaire | API diff for 3.0.2 -> 3.0.3.. sorry for the delay: http://apidiff.pastey.net/102651 |
| 17:46.59 | cladhaire | PARTY_CONVERTED_TO_RAID fun! |
| 17:47.05 | cladhaire | ooh and TargetTotem |
| 17:47.05 | cladhaire | <3 |
| 17:47.09 | cladhaire | must play with those |
| 17:47.33 | Cidan | Thank |
| 17:47.34 | Cidan | GOD |
| 17:47.39 | Cidan | Party converted to raid |
| 17:47.43 | Cidan | only took 4 fscking years. |
| 17:48.30 | Trixer | man I can see I am about ot have a long way to go to learn this UI stuff |
| 17:48.37 | Trixer | but im gonna build some awesome stuff when I get it done :P |
| 17:48.45 | Cidan | Trixer: Yup, but it's easy as hell. |
| 17:48.58 | Cidan | Trixer: Since you're new, and I want to piss cladhaire off, NEVER USE XML, XML IS HORRIBLE |
| 17:49.02 | Cidan | That is all. |
| 17:49.08 | Trixer | I use XML all the time |
| 17:49.08 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Cidan!n=jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by cladhaire (cladhaire) |
| 17:49.12 | Trixer | im a freaking .net programmer |
| 17:49.18 | Trixer | lmao |
| 17:49.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Cidan (n=feh@conspiracy/developer/Cidan) |
| 17:49.25 | Cidan | hurt |
| 17:49.26 | Trixer | haha welcome back |
| 17:49.27 | cladhaire | You should use XML where it is most appropriate. I always advocate using the right tool for a specific job |
| 17:49.27 | Cidan | I'm hurt. |
| 17:49.36 | Trixer | Agreed Clad |
| 17:49.36 | cladhaire | Unlike the troll seems to think :P |
| 17:49.46 | Shirik | Cidan |
| 17:49.50 | Shirik | you need to see what he said when you were gone |
| 17:49.52 | Cidan | Lua > XML in every single case. *wins* |
| 17:49.59 | Shirik | (12:48:51) - Cidan was kicked by cladhaire (cladhaire) |
| 17:49.59 | Shirik | (12:48:55) (Trixer) im a freaking .net programmer |
| 17:49.59 | Shirik | (12:49:01) (Trixer) lmao |
| 17:49.59 | Shirik | (12:49:05) - Join: Cidan (n=feh@conspiracy/developer/Cidan) |
| 17:50.05 | Cidan | Oh |
| 17:50.06 | Cidan | Jesus |
| 17:50.06 | Shirik | You won't be able to get through his head :) |
| 17:50.07 | Cidan | Christ. |
| 17:50.09 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Cidan!n=jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by cladhaire (</troll>) |
| 17:50.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Cidan (n=feh@conspiracy/developer/Cidan) |
| 17:50.20 | Cidan | .net == done. |
| 17:50.20 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Shirik!n=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (</troll>) |
| 17:50.21 | cladhaire | Or, since you prefer it |
| 17:50.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 17:50.30 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 17:50.31 | Cidan | lol |
| 17:50.31 | Trixer | we use XAML |
| 17:50.41 | Trixer | which I guess isnt true XML but its close enough |
| 17:50.44 | Cidan | You silly new age programmer types |
| 17:50.58 | Shirik | Back in my day, all we had was GOTO |
| 17:50.58 | Trixer | Heh... |
| 17:51.07 | Shirik | and your variables had the type IN their name |
| 17:51.23 | Trixer | lmao |
| 17:51.30 | Cidan | pfft, ASM ftw |
| 17:51.31 | Trixer | something like intNum |
| 17:51.35 | Shirik | no |
| 17:51.40 | Trixer | or strTest? |
| 17:51.41 | Shirik | FOR I% FROM 1 TO 20 |
| 17:51.46 | Trixer | lmao |
| 17:51.53 | Shirik | I! = 1.5 |
| 17:51.55 | Trixer | reminds me of the TI86 programming days |
| 17:51.59 | Shirik | I still refer to $ as "string" |
| 17:52.00 | Shirik | whever I see it |
| 17:52.16 | Trixer | haha |
| 17:52.26 | Taladris | phew, I'm not the only one. |
| 17:52.28 | Trixer | Well things I guess you could say have evolved |
| 17:52.30 | Lothaer | *blink blink* |
| 17:52.34 | Lothaer | lol |
| 17:52.38 | kd3 | 86? bah |
| 17:52.46 | Trixer | yeah the TI 86 man :P |
| 17:52.48 | cladhaire | $a is "string a", I dont' think anyone here disagrees with you :P |
| 17:53.00 | Shirik | I wrote a challenge 24 solver for TI-83 :) |
| 17:53.03 | Shirik | kd3, really? |
| 17:53.07 | Shirik | They allowed C on 89 |
| 17:53.09 | Shirik | I just used C |
| 17:53.18 | kd3 | only with tigcc |
| 17:53.18 | |Jelly| | I ***love*** these people: "I want my money back... this is redicrulis " |
| 17:53.19 | Trixer | I didnt have the cord to hook it up to my computer :( |
| 17:53.22 | Shirik | But my first assembly experience was for the 83 since you had to write it in Z80 |
| 17:53.23 | Trixer | so I had to program on it |
| 17:53.32 | cladhaire | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/queerty2/~3/dqur-49oEvg/ |
| 17:53.36 | kd3 | m68k wasn't that bad when I was bored in high school |
| 17:53.36 | Cidan | Man |
| 17:53.38 | cladhaire | Finally, someone does something about the stupid policy! |
| 17:53.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 17:53.56 | Cidan | I started using assembly in middle school, way before I even touched a TI, bleh. |
| 17:54.13 | Cidan | I still love it, C is the next best thing I suppose. |
| 17:54.24 | Shirik | C++ > C |
| 17:54.29 | Cidan | ehhhhhhhhhh |
| 17:54.32 | Cidan | Depends |
| 17:54.40 | kd3 | only if you like taking off your leg instead of just shooting off your foot when you make a mistake |
| 17:54.41 | Trixer | ohh great |
| 17:54.46 | Trixer | the C++ > C thing |
| 17:54.51 | Shirik | A program I had to write was supposed to be done in C, I complained to my professor about how it could be done so much easier. He told me to prove it. |
| 17:54.54 | Shirik | I did. He was impressed :) |
| 17:55.10 | Shirik | easier in C++* |
| 17:55.18 | Shirik | but of course this is only one case |
| 17:55.18 | Cidan | Sure, but I'm a sucker for malloc, :/ |
| 17:55.18 | Trixer | you know what though |
| 17:55.19 | Trixer | seriously |
| 17:55.23 | Trixer | C# blows all of them away :P |
| 17:55.27 | Cidan | ew |
| 17:55.28 | Shirik | That case had a huge benefit from ........ oh fuck no |
| 17:55.28 | Cidan | managed |
| 17:55.30 | Cidan | ftl |
| 17:55.31 | Trixer | so ha my C has a better symble at the end of it! :P |
| 17:55.32 | Lothaer | is the C++ vs C argument the same as Titan vs Fubar? |
| 17:55.32 | Cidan | rofl |
| 17:55.33 | Cidan | ahahaha |
| 17:55.39 | Cidan | You got Shirik started now |
| 17:55.42 | Shirik | Lothaer: Closer to emacs vs vim |
| 17:55.46 | Shirik | p.s., vim |
| 17:55.54 | Corr-work | i vote for Java :3 |
| 17:56.04 | Trixer | haha! |
| 17:56.07 | Trixer | fuck java |
| 17:56.07 | Cidan | Corr-work: Dems fightin' words. |
| 17:56.10 | Shirik | There is only one thing I like about C# |
| 17:56.12 | Lothaer | and how old are you guys/gals? |
| 17:56.16 | Corr-work | fuck you in the eye |
| 17:56.18 | Cidan | 26 |
| 17:56.20 | Trixer | Im 22 |
| 17:56.21 | Corr-work | RIGHT IN THE EYE |
| 17:56.22 | Shirik | It's generally for .NET applications, which means that I can decompile it into C++ |
| 17:56.26 | Corr-work | *uNF uNF* |
| 17:56.30 | Cidan | uNF! |
| 17:56.39 | Shirik | really, you're 26? |
| 17:56.42 | Trixer | Yeah Shirik im a .net programmer haha |
| 17:56.43 | Cidan | Yeah. |
| 17:56.45 | Cidan | wtf |
| 17:56.49 | Cidan | You've known me how long? |
| 17:56.50 | Lothaer | im 23 and im looking at what you guys are talking about and thinking my head hurts LOLOLOL!!! |
| 17:56.51 | Cidan | 3 years? |
| 17:56.51 | Shirik | I thought you were younger |
| 17:56.56 | Cidan | We've worked on like, two projects |
| 17:56.57 | Cidan | lol |
| 17:57.00 | Shirik | I'm only 21 :/ |
| 17:57.01 | kd3 | gack |
| 17:57.02 | Cidan | I know. |
| 17:57.08 | kd3 | what the hell is with my new posting avatar at 80? |
| 17:57.09 | kd3 | horrendous |
| 17:57.13 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12891015036&sid=1&pageNo=2#34 |
| 17:57.16 | Shirik | kd3: What you get for being a gnome |
| 17:57.20 | Trixer | well if the shoe fits |
| 17:57.24 | Trixer | I hate gnomes |
| 17:57.26 | cladhaire | kd3: THAT HAIR IS AWESOME |
| 17:57.26 | Trixer | so much |
| 17:57.31 | cladhaire | hahahaha |
| 17:57.33 | |Jelly| | ROFLAMO |
| 17:57.52 | Trixer | I used to play alliance |
| 17:57.56 | Amarande | kd3, you should have rolled horde like the cool people :| |
| 17:58.02 | Trixer | and on my new server i switched to horde |
| 17:58.04 | Trixer | just to kill gnomes |
| 17:58.16 | Cidan | lol@hair. |
| 17:58.17 | Amarande | trixer: you should start a guild and call it <Gnomes Go Under Our Boots> |
| 17:58.17 | Trixer | i have every intention of just going gnome hunting... |
| 17:58.28 | Trixer | naa if I start a guild its going to be |
| 17:58.42 | Trixer | "Be Gentle Cause Im A Girl" or BGCIAG! |
| 17:58.45 | Corr-work | <RIGHT IN THE EYE> |
| 17:58.52 | Lothaer | u seen that giant in Northrend that has a dead gnome under its foot? |
| 17:58.54 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: that's an exact splitting image of my character |
| 17:59.06 | kd3 | har |
| 17:59.07 | Cidan | Shirik: so |
| 17:59.11 | Trixer | lol |
| 17:59.11 | Cidan | Shirik: I'm dating someone new |
| 17:59.15 | Shirik | oh? |
| 17:59.21 | Lothaer | <Show us your Crits) |
| 17:59.23 | Cidan | Shirik: Stole her from a guildmate on Eredar |
| 17:59.27 | Lothaer | >* |
| 17:59.27 | Shirik | haha |
| 17:59.32 | Trixer | Well you can automate alot of kewl stuff outside of combat haha |
| 17:59.44 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/2.4/gnome-naked-dance.png |
| 17:59.48 | Lothaer | <She said she was lvl 18> |
| 17:59.52 | Trixer | Can you physically touch this girl Shirik? |
| 17:59.54 | Cidan | Shirik: When I met her, she lived in Cali, but she moved like, right up the road from me; just happened that I met her right as she was moving. |
| 17:59.55 | Shirik | long as it's not anni |
| 17:59.57 | Trixer | lmao Lothaer! |
| 17:59.58 | kd3 | sbo; rofl |
| 17:59.59 | Cidan | what |
| 18:00.01 | Cidan | WHAT |
| 18:00.02 | Cidan | Anni |
| 18:00.03 | Cidan | ew |
| 18:00.04 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: told you |
| 18:00.04 | Cidan | what. |
| 18:00.08 | Amarande | hmm, how about <Galileo Figaro> |
| 18:00.16 | Shirik | Trixer? |
| 18:00.16 | Trixer | lmao |
| 18:00.19 | Lothaer | <sapped girls cant say no> |
| 18:00.27 | Trixer | Yes shirik? |
| 18:00.28 | Lothaer | these were actual guilds on Spinebreaker |
| 18:00.37 | Shirik | what are you talking about? |
| 18:00.39 | Shirik | why should I be able to? |
| 18:00.41 | Cidan | what. |
| 18:00.42 | Trixer | <Funny Guild Name Here> |
| 18:00.48 | Trixer | I was reffering to the dating thing |
| 18:01.02 | Trixer | my question was answered |
| 18:01.14 | Trixer | when the above by Cidan was posted about her moving down the road from you. |
| 18:01.22 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: I am excited to hit 80 simply for my forum avatar. I am pleased. |
| 18:01.23 | Cidan | I think Trixer meant to ask me that question |
| 18:01.24 | Cidan | not you |
| 18:01.45 | Trixer | ahh Cidan I thought you were qouting Shirik |
| 18:01.45 | kd3 | bah. I'm almost considering rolling a 'kaydeepoast' or something and swapping to that for the forums |
| 18:02.06 | Shirik | however, if she's down the road from Cidan, she's essentially within driving distance of me :) |
| 18:02.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Wouldn't blame you |
| 18:02.10 | Shirik | well, when I'm home at least :) |
| 18:02.17 | Cidan | which |
| 18:02.18 | Cidan | btw |
| 18:02.18 | Trixer | lmao |
| 18:02.20 | Cidan | when are you coming back? |
| 18:02.23 | Cidan | Christmas? |
| 18:02.28 | Shirik | mid december, yeah |
| 18:02.33 | Cidan | Wanna go chill, shoot the shit? You can drink now, so, yeah. |
| 18:02.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I think Cidan wants you drunk |
| 18:02.44 | Shirik | I can't think that far ahead :P |
| 18:02.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: just guessing |
| 18:02.52 | Cidan | Fuck yeah man |
| 18:02.57 | Cidan | He's a hottie |
| 18:03.01 | Cidan | I'd totally do him. |
| 18:03.10 | Shirik | I'm not listening to this |
| 18:03.12 | Trixer | Wow.. drunked gay sex... |
| 18:03.13 | Lothaer | heres a idea for a mod, Think AtlasLoot but instead of telling you what a boss drops it could tell you what the bosses stats and skills are, and it would be great to hook it to Atlas so that if you are using Atlas you can Right-Click on a bosses name to see the info. |
| 18:03.16 | ScytheBlade1 | No, you're reading it |
| 18:03.26 | Cidan | Well |
| 18:03.27 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Are you claiming what I said was incorrect? |
| 18:03.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan: here's where you start whispering him |
| 18:03.44 | Cidan | Can't you now with 3.0.2 get coordinates in instances? |
| 18:03.51 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 18:03.52 | Cidan | Why hasn't anyone written instance maps? |
| 18:03.52 | ScytheBlade1 | You can |
| 18:03.56 | Arrowmaster | you can? |
| 18:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Because no one cares enough |
| 18:03.58 | kd3 | you can? |
| 18:03.59 | ScytheBlade1 | You can |
| 18:04.01 | ScytheBlade1 | You can. |
| 18:04.02 | Cidan | You can |
| 18:04.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Accurate distance mods |
| 18:04.06 | Shirik | I heard you can |
| 18:04.07 | Cidan | They changed it so you can now |
| 18:04.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Maps |
| 18:04.13 | ScytheBlade1 | The works |
| 18:04.31 | kd3 | I'll have to poke simpleMinimap as soon as medivh comes back up |
| 18:04.45 | kd3 | I thought they pulled minimap coords in beta again |
| 18:04.52 | Cidan | Ya, Eredar is down for me, :/ |
| 18:04.56 | Shirik | owned |
| 18:05.02 | Shirik | you know, if you were on horde on Drenden |
| 18:05.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Just zone in and /dump your position |
| 18:05.07 | Shirik | you would still be able to play |
| 18:05.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Easy way to test |
| 18:05.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Kirov (n=Kirov@c-24-16-58-126.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 18:05.28 | Cidan | Drenden == for gay people that like to play horde, like you. |
| 18:05.31 | Trixer | ahh ok so protected functions I cant use or just require a key being bound to themm? |
| 18:05.32 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:05.39 | Cide | HI SHIRIK |
| 18:05.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Trixer: some of them |
| 18:05.41 | Cide | I MISSED YOU |
| 18:05.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Trixer: some of them you can't call period |
| 18:05.46 | Shirik | uh |
| 18:05.50 | Cidan | Cide: YES FUCK YES HI CIDE |
| 18:05.50 | Shirik | yeah where have you been? |
| 18:05.53 | ScytheBlade1 | (WoWWiki makes no distinction between the two) |
| 18:05.54 | Lothaer | http://atlasmod.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1185&p=8536&hilit=Atlas2#p8536 |
| 18:05.57 | Cide | hi Cidan! |
| 18:05.59 | Lothaer | go there |
| 18:06.08 | Cide | been living at my girlfriend's house mostly |
| 18:06.13 | Cide | still am until thursday |
| 18:06.25 | Cidan | what happens then? |
| 18:06.35 | Cide | her parents come home from LA and I get the boot |
| 18:06.41 | Cidan | lol |
| 18:06.48 | Trixer | ahh ok! |
| 18:06.52 | Trixer | I am understanding this now |
| 18:07.01 | Lothaer | rofl |
| 18:07.18 | *** join/#wowuidev KarlKFI (n=chatzill@adcom137.adcom.uci.edu) |
| 18:07.20 | Lothaer | that link i posted was to a thread started almost one year ago |
| 18:07.37 | Lothaer | theres a mod called Whereabouts that used GPSlib to get co-ords in instances |
| 18:08.28 | Shirik | Cide don't you live outside the US? |
| 18:08.36 | Cide | I live in sweden |
| 18:08.38 | Cidan | He lives in my pants |
| 18:08.47 | Shirik | oh, come home FROM LA |
| 18:08.52 | Cide | yep |
| 18:08.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Your pants are sweden huh? |
| 18:09.09 | Lothaer | thats some pretty big pants |
| 18:09.16 | Cidan | hey |
| 18:09.19 | Cidan | I'll have you know |
| 18:09.21 | Cidan | I'm sexy |
| 18:09.22 | Cidan | I mean shit |
| 18:09.27 | Cidan | Just look at me and this bottle |
| 18:09.34 | Shirik | omg |
| 18:09.36 | Cidan | http://www.conspiracy-ui.com/aj.jpg |
| 18:09.38 | Shirik | the flexing picture? |
| 18:09.43 | Cidan | rofl |
| 18:09.44 | Shirik | I knew it |
| 18:09.45 | Cidan | =D |
| 18:09.51 | Trixer | lmao |
| 18:10.04 | Cidan | All I can think about is that night we were at PF Changs |
| 18:10.06 | Cidan | and I was like |
| 18:10.07 | Trixer | looks like your digging that gatorade dude |
| 18:10.12 | Cidan | "Let me just get this drink here..." |
| 18:11.09 | Lothaer | metro much |
| 18:11.10 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: November 24, 2008, 10:00am PST. . We're aware that players are currently unable to log in to the following realms and we're in the process of investigating. We will provide further updates when they are available. . . Aggramar |
| 18:11.10 | Shiibot | Arthas . Azgalor . Bleeding Hollow . Bloodhoof . Burning Blade . Burning Legion . Drakkari . Durotan . Earthen Ring . Elune . Eonar . Eredar . Gilneas . Gorefiend . Kargath . Laughing Skull . Lightning's Blade . Llane . Lothar |
| 18:11.10 | Shiibot | Madoran . Magtheridon . Malygos . Mannoroth . Medivh . Quel'Thalas . Ragnaros . Shadowmoon . Shattered Hand . Skullcrusher . Stormrage . Thunderhorn . Thunderlord . Trollbane . Warsong . Zul'jin. . Thank you,. |
| 18:11.10 | Lothaer | lol |
| 18:11.22 | kd3 | slow server alert is slow |
| 18:11.28 | Cidan | lol |
| 18:11.31 | Shirik | don't blame me |
| 18:11.36 | Shirik | It's checked every minute :/ |
| 18:11.55 | Trixer | lol |
| 18:12.06 | Amarande | Quel'dorei FTW! :) |
| 18:12.27 | Trixer | This is probally a bit over my head |
| 18:12.44 | Trixer | my friend has a addon called paranoid or something like that... |
| 18:12.55 | Cidan | Conspiracy? nono |
| 18:12.56 | Cidan | lol |
| 18:12.56 | Shirik | kd3: Was it really up for that long? |
| 18:12.58 | Trixer | which im not really interested int cause it hardly ever works.. but how is that one atttempting to work? |
| 18:13.09 | Lothaer | http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h10/lothaer/WoWScrnShot_082308_072243.jpg |
| 18:13.10 | Cidan | Trixer: wut. |
| 18:13.14 | Lothaer | http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h10/lothaer/WoWScrnShot_082308_072339.jpg |
| 18:13.20 | Cidan | bah, brb a sec, gotta run to Target |
| 18:14.06 | Trixer | Cidan: Paranoid or what ever is a UI mod that is suppose to alert you when a member of the other faction enters the zone... Im trying to figure out how it would work..... |
| 18:14.34 | Amarande | isn't that considered alliance-horde communication? :| |
| 18:14.34 | Shirik | does anyone know what this means? |
| 18:14.36 | Shirik | Nov 24 13:12:02 localhost postfix/error[28579]: 34FB03893F: to=<root@li23-154.localdomain>, orig_to=<root>, relay=none, delay=0.98, delays=0.87/0.01/0/0.1, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (mail transport unavailable) |
| 18:14.52 | pompy | would it be a good idea to migrate to broker from fubar? |
| 18:14.53 | Shirik | Comes right after |
| 18:14.54 | Shirik | Nov 24 13:12:02 localhost postfix/qmgr[13193]: warning: connect to transport scan: No such file or directory |
| 18:14.56 | Trixer | erm no cause your not communicating to the alliance, it just tells you went one is around so you dont get ganked... |
| 18:15.13 | Trixer | I guess I dont use it.. and it like barely works for him.. |
| 18:15.45 | Lothaer | pompy: yes, imho get Titan as broker plugins hook to it |
| 18:15.51 | Cidan | Shirik: It looks like the remote MTA isn't available for whatever reason |
| 18:16.17 | Shirik | I am the MTA |
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| 18:17.15 | Trixer | Hmm, ok well I guess I could make a nice little aspect reminder |
| 18:17.16 | Cidan | do uh |
| 18:17.21 | Cidan | postsuper -r 34FB03893F |
| 18:17.22 | Cidan | I think |
| 18:17.29 | Trixer | which would help out alot... |
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| 18:18.04 | Amarande | Cidan: You didn't refill your MetroCard. You'll have to do that before the MTA will work for you again. :) |
| 18:18.13 | Amarande | Don't forget to take the fare hikes into account. |
| 18:18.25 | Cidan | Amarande: lolwut |
| 18:19.06 | Cidan | seriously, afk, I wanna get to Target before rush hour |
| 18:19.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (n=Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa) |
| 18:19.22 | Cidan | rush hour + Northern Virginia = D= |
| 18:19.26 | Lunessa | station |
| 18:19.29 | Amarande | I still use FuBar, but then, I've reduced myself to about six select FuBar plugins anyway |
| 18:19.39 | Lothaer | hey what was a really good paladin sword and shield pre BC? |
| 18:19.42 | Lunessa | Cidan: No kidding man. Stay off the beltway. |
| 18:20.03 | Lunessa | Lothaer: The Charged Crystal Sword. |
| 18:20.38 | Shirik | ok I think I found something really broken |
| 18:20.47 | Shirik | li23-154 postfix # /etc/init.d/postfix stop |
| 18:20.47 | Shirik | * WARNING: postfix has not yet been started. |
| 18:20.49 | Pheredhel | well, not directly wow related: svn post-commit hook, how do I debug it ? (I don't even see if its executed) |
| 18:20.55 | Shirik | * Starting postfix (/etc/postfix) ... [ !! ] |
| 18:21.10 | Shirik | Nov 24 13:20:08 localhost postfix/postfix-script[29229]: fatal: the Postfix mail system is already running |
| 18:21.14 | Shirik | .......... |
| 18:21.17 | Shirik | pick one! |
| 18:21.23 | Amarande | Lothaer: HoZ and a Grief PB |
| 18:21.38 | Shirik | Pheredhel: Run it as a script :) |
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| 18:22.04 | Pheredhel | well works... |
| 18:22.06 | Amarande | you know, they really should add HoZ as an epic at some point |
| 18:22.09 | Amarande | maybe from arthas |
| 18:22.15 | Pheredhel | I did even set the env in it |
| 18:22.25 | Pheredhel | at least I hope so ;) |
| 18:23.13 | Lunessa | There can only be one Prince of Darkness! |
| 18:26.23 | Corr-work | i caught only a glimpse of that ad |
| 18:26.30 | Corr-work | but i was pleased |
| 18:27.04 | Shirik | ahhhhhhh |
| 18:27.06 | Shirik | cell phone spam |
| 18:27.43 | Corr-work | that's why i let my phone's battery die and haven't recharged it in months |
| 18:27.56 | Corr-work | actually it's because i never use it, but wouldn't that be awesome? |
| 18:28.17 | Shirik | I rebooted my server |
| 18:28.23 | Shirik | 1 text message for every service that went down |
| 18:28.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 18:29.13 | Shirik | "Service Down Notification - UDP::DNS::53 on heresiarchguild.com" "Service Down Notification - TCP::SMTP::25 on heresiarchguild.com" "Service down notification - TCP::HTTP::80 on heresiarchguild.com" etc |
| 18:30.51 | Shirik | hrm, server's stuck at "Deactivating swap" |
| 18:31.29 | Pheredhel | is there an easy way to see if the post commit hook is even executed? |
| 18:32.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: lol, you must have had a lot in swap |
| 18:32.13 | Shirik | well I am out of memory |
| 18:32.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Evidently |
| 18:32.34 | Shirik | can I force it to reboot? |
| 18:33.26 | ScytheBlade1 | With the sysrq, sure |
| 18:33.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Otherwise it's busy reading your swap into physical memory |
| 18:33.42 | Shirik | the what? |
| 18:33.54 | Lothaer | http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h10/lothaer/Tier3Gnome.jpg <---- sexy gnome |
| 18:33.54 | Corr-work | it will eventually finish, though, won't it? |
| 18:34.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sysrq.txt |
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| 18:34.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: or, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/sysrq.txt;h=5ce0952aa06546096fc165d9562f35565ed17025;hb=3fa8749e584b55f1180411ab1b51117190bac1e5 |
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| 18:36.52 | Trixer | Loth: Theres no such thing as a sexy gnome |
| 18:36.58 | Lothaer | goto the link lol |
| 18:36.58 | Trixer | theres just levels of annoying |
| 18:37.01 | Trixer | I Did |
| 18:37.08 | Trixer | and that one is less annoying looking then others |
| 18:37.12 | Trixer | but by far not sexy :P |
| 18:37.25 | Amarande | yeah, I decided to stick with female blood elf for my DK, just like my other characters |
| 18:37.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Trixer: disagree, http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/2.4/gnome-naked-dance.png |
| 18:37.37 | ScytheBlade1 | afk |
| 18:37.47 | Shirik | doesn't do anything ScytheBlade1 :( |
| 18:38.08 | Trixer | Scythe: I rest my case |
| 18:38.13 | Lothaer | http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,24699283-5013037,00.html |
| 18:38.18 | Lothaer | interesting article lol |
| 18:38.35 | Lothaer | ScytheBlade1: i can make that look sexier :D |
| 18:38.39 | Trixer | alright so I am getting the hang of this scripting thing |
| 18:39.15 | Trixer | so far I understand events and what not... should be pretty easy |
| 18:40.33 | Trixer | Im gonna start by making some easy addons and evolve them |
| 18:41.23 | Lunessa | sbo -- you worry me. |
| 18:42.13 | Trixer | something that would be kewl, that I have no desire to make but might be fun |
| 18:42.25 | Trixer | is a way to gamble for gold.. like texas hold em or slots or something hehe. |
| 18:43.08 | Trixer | Not that it would ever get popular cause noone would ever trust a system like that... but it would still be kewl |
| 18:43.19 | zenzelezz | and it's against the rules |
| 18:43.23 | Trixer | ohh it is? |
| 18:43.51 | Trixer | I dont doubt that it is, at all, but may I ask how? |
| 18:44.18 | *** join/#wowuidev ecstasia (n=ecs@unaffiliated/ecstasia) |
| 18:45.35 | Lothaer | zenzelezz: gambling in wow has been around for ages |
| 18:46.03 | foxlit | it's also been against the ToU for ages. |
| 18:46.38 | Lothaer | there was a simple game, everyone places a bet and rolls who ever rolls the highest wins the gold :D |
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| 18:46.52 | Adys | is there a function in lua to generate a list of numbers from x to y? |
| 18:47.10 | Adys | range() or something, pretty sure it exists |
| 18:47.36 | Lothaer | ./roll 1-100 |
| 18:47.37 | Lothaer | ??? |
| 18:47.52 | Adys | no |
| 18:47.56 | Lothaer | Trixer: take a look at this http://wowui.worldofwar.net/?p=mod&m=3067 |
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| 18:50.04 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shiibot] by ChanServ |
| 18:50.16 | Adys | also wow |
| 18:50.16 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=13968#comments |
| 18:50.26 | Adys | this item is so illogical since wotlk |
| 18:50.57 | Slakah | Adys: this might work http://www.pastey.net/102656 |
| 18:52.14 | Slakah | wait change that end Go(num) for Go(1) |
| 18:53.40 | Adys | was wondering if there was a builtin one |
| 18:53.43 | Adys | anyway gotta go out, bbl |
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| 18:54.26 | Trixer | ohh thas kewl Loth |
| 18:55.39 | Trixer | Im just going to focus on something small at the moment and work my way up |
| 18:55.51 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/11/21/funny-pictures-get-your-own-box/ |
| 18:55.54 | Trixer | I got some ideas but most likely with what I know if I was to start something big I would just fail for lack of knowlege |
| 19:02.35 | Cidan | Trixer: hi |
| 19:02.48 | Cidan | Trixer: Do you really want to know how to work with the WoW API well? |
| 19:02.59 | Trixer | yes |
| 19:03.51 | Cidan | Okay, my honest and down to earth recommendation is to learn to use pure Lua first, and forget about XML for now, then if you want, revist XML. Yes, others disagree, and yes, this is my own opinion and not "the" only way. |
| 19:04.12 | Trixer | Well I know XML pretty well but yeah Cidan I agree |
| 19:04.20 | Cidan | But I think you will have an easier time working with just Lua alone for now, and I'll show you how it all works. |
| 19:04.22 | Trixer | I am working with the LUA parts first and then ill worry about the XML |
| 19:04.25 | Corr-work | should i pronounce "Cidan" similar to "sedan"? |
| 19:04.30 | Cidan | Yes |
| 19:04.38 | krka | Trixer: Dude, it's not an acronym! ;-) |
| 19:05.00 | Trixer | Krka: haha |
| 19:06.44 | Trixer | Im looking through API docs and stuff, really what I wish I could find is a "getting started" guide.... |
| 19:06.44 | Cidan | Trixer: There are really, at first anyway, only two pages you really need; http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API and http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 19:07.02 | Cidan | Trixer: I'll write you one, a simple one. |
| 19:07.09 | Cidan | Give me a few. |
| 19:07.12 | Trixer | ive been reading this |
| 19:07.12 | Trixer | http://wowprogramming.com/ |
| 19:08.34 | Cide | HA |
| 19:08.39 | Cide | DIE SHIIBOT, DIE |
| 19:08.48 | Trixer | ..... |
| 19:08.53 | Cidan | rofl |
| 19:09.36 | Duman | too close to 'shitbot' |
| 19:10.03 | Duman | that's a rather odd signoff reason, tho |
| 19:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: you know you liked it |
| 19:10.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: lish has sysrq commands |
| 19:10.42 | Shirik | yeah but it didn't respond for like... ever |
| 19:10.51 | Shirik | then I got spammed with SysRq across the screen |
| 19:10.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:11.22 | Shirik | Emergency sync: SysRq |
| 19:11.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Which means it was executed |
| 19:11.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Generally you want to 's' 's' 'u' 'b' |
| 19:11.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Sync twice, remount as read only, force reboot |
| 19:12.12 | Shirik | I just did m and d to see what would happen |
| 19:12.16 | Lunessa | sbo - I needed a moment. |
| 19:12.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: good to see you saw the light |
| 19:12.32 | Lunessa | freak. |
| 19:12.55 | Trixer | ..... |
| 19:14.11 | Trixer | Im not sure ending a conversation with "freak" at all means you "saw the light" or at least not the light he wanted you to see? |
| 19:14.43 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/2.4/gnome-naked-dance.png <-- so hot |
| 19:15.39 | Trixer | Scythe: Have you ever thought about not being 12? |
| 19:16.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Trixer: I enjoy messing with people. *shrug& |
| 19:16.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ** |
| 19:16.10 | Cide | what? |
| 19:16.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't need to be 12 to do that |
| 19:16.30 | Cide | I've never seen your name here before Trixer |
| 19:17.09 | Trixer | Im new |
| 19:17.17 | Trixer | Scythe: I was just teasing no offense really... |
| 19:17.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 19:17.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Then none taken |
| 19:18.26 | Trixer | Cide: First time here haha... |
| 19:20.48 | Cide | I see |
| 19:21.03 | Amarande | the only such thing as a 'hot gnome' is a gnome who has been afflicted by Flame Shock or Immolate or similar spells. :| |
| 19:21.25 | Corr-work | they can be cute in a small, misproportioned way |
| 19:22.01 | Corr-work | draenei girls, on the other hand, have fabulous tails~ |
| 19:22.04 | Trixer | and by misproportioned he means squished under an orcish boot... |
| 19:22.21 | Amarande | FOR THE HORDE |
| 19:22.33 | Amarande | although I do play Draenei on occasion, and have one human character collecting dust |
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| 19:32.29 | Dashkal | offtopic. Does anybody know the name for the therom that dictates that given a regular polygon with an odd number of sides, there will be a side perpendicular to the line drawn from the center to any vertex? |
| 19:33.30 | Tekkub | you know, it doesn't bother me that you know such a theorum exists... |
| 19:33.30 | Trixer | Contractibility of regular polygons? |
| 19:33.42 | Tekkub | what bothers me is that you seem to need it for something |
| 19:34.24 | Dashkal | Tekkub: I just wanted to cite it in a comment. I'm using it to short-circuit a function that rotates a polygon to make sure the lowest line segment is horizontal |
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| 19:35.05 | Dashkal | if numsides is odd, rotate 90 degrees counter-clockwise and it'll work itself out |
| 19:35.32 | Trixer | ok this lua stuff is pretty easy |
| 19:35.38 | Trixer | its basicly coding responses to events :D |
| 19:35.43 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 19:35.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lua/WoW's usage of it happens to be amazing |
| 19:36.14 | Trixer | outstanding |
| 19:36.30 | Trixer | I havent gotten to the widget stuff yet |
| 19:36.53 | Trixer | or any XML stuff |
| 19:36.57 | Trixer | but thus far it seems pretty easy |
| 19:37.31 | Trixer | Can I do stuff like connect this baby to a mysql database? :D |
| 19:38.31 | Trixer | cause seriously.. I have no idea at the moment what I would use it for |
| 19:38.34 | Trixer | but it would be straight out ownage |
| 19:39.10 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 19:39.19 | Trixer | darn |
| 19:39.21 | ScytheBlade1 | There is no data transfer in or out of WoW with two exceptions |
| 19:39.27 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) logs and 2) saved variables |
| 19:39.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Logs are heavily buffered, saved variables are only written on UI reload/logout |
| 19:40.00 | ScytheBlade1 | The only way to get data in is via closing WoW entirely, modifying the vars, and starting it up again |
| 19:40.17 | Trixer | *nods* |
| 19:40.18 | Trixer | ok |
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| 19:41.40 | Trixer | So creating an addon that would share databetween two clients just isnt happening |
| 19:41.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Addons can communicate with other players (clients) |
| 19:42.09 | ScytheBlade1 | But that's still WoW <--> WoW |
| 19:42.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Not WoW <--> "the outside world" |
| 19:42.24 | Trixer | Ahh ok |
| 19:44.21 | alestane | ~seen Lopeppeppy |
| 19:44.22 | purl | lopeppeppy <n=Lopeppep@cpe-67-246-45-198.nycap.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 21h 58m 40s ago, saying: 'I has... I do not has! Share!'. |
| 19:46.03 | Trixer | lmao |
| 19:46.19 | Trixer | I might be able to do some kick ass addons faster then I Thought |
| 19:50.44 | Trixer | Hmm, how are addons like carbinite able to tell me theres an update ready... |
| 19:50.52 | Trixer | surely its communicating outside somewhere... |
| 19:51.00 | |Jelly| | nope |
| 19:51.08 | kd3 | nope. just asking in /g or a global channel in game what version everyone has |
| 19:51.44 | Trixer | erm? |
| 19:51.53 | Trixer | Im a bit confused about that... |
| 19:52.05 | kd3 | addons can communicate in secret channels that parallel the channels you see |
| 19:52.11 | Trixer | OHH!! |
| 19:52.18 | kd3 | so, if you type in guild chat, addons can use the guild addon channel |
| 19:52.25 | Trixer | ohhh |
| 19:52.30 | kd3 | same for raid, parties, whispers, etc... |
| 19:52.40 | Trixer | so that in essense is your pipeline for trasnfering databetween clients and what not |
| 19:52.47 | kd3 | yes |
| 19:52.55 | Arrowmaster | except thats one of the most complex things to code |
| 19:53.00 | Trixer | lmao tcip for wow! |
| 19:53.11 | Arrowmaster | trying to do any syncing is just a nightmare |
| 19:53.22 | Trixer | yeah im not going to worry about it at the moment.. but its good to know |
| 19:53.45 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendAddonMessage |
| 19:53.57 | Trixer | lmao I dont even want ot see it at the moment :P |
| 19:54.13 | Trixer | ok yes I do |
| 19:54.41 | Trixer | thats freaking awesome seriously |
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| 19:55.57 | opant2 | yay for typing in wingdings -_- |
| 19:56.42 | Trixer | lmao |
| 19:56.44 | Trixer | wingdings |
| 19:56.45 | zenzelezz | pigeon mailbox open mailbox! |
| 19:56.56 | Dewin | whiskey tango foxtrot? |
| 19:56.56 | Trixer | erm? |
| 19:57.10 | Trixer | mothergoose to chicken little? |
| 19:57.49 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Are you working on the next rev of Pitbull? |
| 19:57.57 | Arrowmaster | fuck no |
| 19:58.04 | Trixer | so yeah I totally read this |
| 19:58.05 | Trixer | http://www.wowwiki.com/AddOn_programming_tutorial |
| 19:58.05 | Arrowmaster | ive never touched pitbull |
| 19:58.13 | Trixer | any other good tutorials? |
| 19:58.13 | Dewin | bleeter: What security hole? |
| 19:58.27 | Lunessa | Heh, just asking. |
| 19:58.31 | Dewin | besides the "I can call them, pretend to be you, and say I lost my authenticator" one |
| 19:58.45 | kd3 | outside of the social enginee- |
| 19:58.57 | bleeter | Well, that's about where I'm at at the moment. I've posted to Bugs about it, I've told one of their staff about it. This was all more than a couple of weeks ago. |
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| 19:59.27 | bleeter | What to do now? Detail it somewhere so that those who use it are aware there's some kinda issue with it, and face Blizz's (potential) wrath (pun semi-intended), or what? |
| 19:59.59 | Trixer | Ill post it for you |
| 20:00.04 | bleeter | I've detailed it in private to trusted community members already, just... hmmm. dunno where to go from here. |
| 20:00.05 | Trixer | Im not scared of the blizz wrath |
| 20:00.24 | Trixer | Really sadly |
| 20:00.28 | Trixer | the only way your going to get it fixed |
| 20:00.30 | Dewin | bleeter: anonymous email to bugtraq? |
| 20:00.32 | Trixer | is if people start using it |
| 20:00.54 | Trixer | until then its "low threat" and resources are going to go to places that generate money |
| 20:00.56 | Trixer | not keep from loosing it |
| 20:01.20 | Trixer | Further more, its probally going to be 6 months before they get done disccussing the security hole |
| 20:01.31 | Trixer | and figuring out where it is and why it is.. before they start to fix it... |
| 20:02.04 | Amarande | whatever happened to the olden days where everything was full disclosure :| |
| 20:02.07 | Lunessa | Try consolidating your points. This is IRC, not AIM. |
| 20:02.09 | Dewin | Here's what you do. |
| 20:02.23 | Amarande | Now it seems like everyone tries to hide things and hope that nobody knows about it until the fix has been out for three weeks |
| 20:02.25 | Trixer | Sorry Lunessa, force of habbit. |
| 20:02.26 | Dewin | a) You notify them. You make a note of exactly when every notification was made. |
| 20:02.50 | Lunessa | Trixer: No worries, I had to beak the same bad habit. |
| 20:03.17 | Amarande | Cairenn :) |
| 20:03.22 | Dewin | b) After enough time where they *should* have had a chance to fix it, you post a full message, including the date(s) you notified them (and any responses) to full-disclosure or bugtraq :) |
| 20:03.37 | Trixer | You will most likely be ignored, or they will give you some BS about the security hole already being known about (so you dont use it).... or maybe they really know about it. |
| 20:04.13 | Trixer | they might even be leaving it unfixed just to see who has the smarts to use it... |
| 20:04.44 | bleeter | Trixer: that last bit is a legal nightmare |
| 20:04.47 | Dewin | if you provide the exact details (most cases of this nature include actual exploit code), you enable people TO exploit it, and thus force Blizzard to fix it ASAP. |
| 20:04.52 | Shirik | Who was that? |
| 20:05.00 | Shirik | was that you Cidan? |
| 20:05.07 | Amarande | Dewin: which was why back in the 'full disclosure' days things got fixed PDQ most of the time |
| 20:05.10 | Amarande | well, unless it was microsoft |
| 20:05.14 | Amarande | but then, that's microsoft :P |
| 20:05.19 | |Jelly| | ilyshirik |
| 20:05.24 | Shirik | I was in a fight |
| 20:05.29 | Shirik | with idiots |
| 20:05.36 | |Jelly| | o.O |
| 20:05.38 | kd3 | welcome to the internet |
| 20:05.40 | |Jelly| | Dare I ask? |
| 20:05.42 | Dewin | yup. It sucks in the meantime, but if the 'quiet' notifications don't work sometimes you need to bust out a loudspeaker |
| 20:05.47 | Trixer | haha bleeter, agreed but really who can prove that they did leave it open to trap people... |
| 20:05.49 | Amarande | like, is there some sort of big reason why the full disclosure paradigm was canned? |
| 20:05.57 | Shirik | did you /who me, |Jelly|? |
| 20:06.08 | |Jelly| | Yeah. LEWLKEEPFAILDOM |
| 20:06.16 | Dewin | Amarande: There's a few possible legal issues with it. |
| 20:06.22 | bleeter | Amarande: stuff like the source port randomness in the DNS servers would've broken the intarwebs completely if it'd been fully disclosed on day 1 |
| 20:06.24 | Amarande | now it seems that most security holes are kept under wraps for far too long, who knows who's being left vulnerable in the meanwhile not knowing about it |
| 20:06.35 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: it was, MONTHS before it became "public? |
| 20:06.39 | ScytheBlade1 | s/?/"/ |
| 20:06.55 | Amarande | how's you? |
| 20:07.19 | Trixer | I think security holes like that are kept quiet just for the simple fact that lots of people would be very angry and it could cost he company lots of money. |
| 20:07.27 | kd3 | the way they handled dns was they best they could've... hopefully we'll move to dnssec sooner than we move to ipv6 |
| 20:07.28 | Trixer | So instead of spending money to fix something people dont know about |
| 20:07.33 | bleeter | problem is finding my post in the Bug forum =)) |
| 20:07.34 | Dewin | I assure you full disclosure is still around: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1 for instance |
| 20:07.46 | Amarande | Dewin: only one I can think of is USA PATRIOT |
| 20:07.46 | Trixer | they wait until its known and could cost them more money... really for large corps like that its all about cost analylizing |
| 20:07.49 | ScytheBlade1 | The "dns bug" wasn't even fully fixed. It can't be fixed without applying copious amounts of crypto to the underlying structure. |
| 20:08.02 | bleeter | so true |
| 20:08.18 | Amarande | namely, the fact that cybercrime has been considered terrorism since Oct 2001 or so, and therefore, full disclosure might be taken as assistance to the big T word |
| 20:08.30 | Dewin | Amarande: There's a lot of laws against "hacking" in certain countries that are easy misapplied to genuine security researchers. |
| 20:08.41 | kd3 | oh noes... I'd better cancel my sub to the FD mailing list |
| 20:08.44 | |Jelly| | Shirik: So what happened? |
| 20:08.48 | bleeter | oh well, I guess I'll repost to Bug Report, and take it from there. Bugtraq by the end of the week? |
| 20:08.51 | Dewin | and DMCA would also apply, not just PATRIOT |
| 20:08.54 | Shirik | we killed boss, stupid people died, I laughed |
| 20:09.02 | Trixer | Yeah, its really lame that people who are trying to help have to do it quietly because if not they could be considered someone who was trying to hurt... |
| 20:09.11 | Trixer | Bleeter |
| 20:09.28 | Dewin | bleeter: You might call a GM or look on the blizzard site and see if there's a good place to submit vulnerabilities, as they'd probably like to have full details but not on a public forum |
| 20:09.32 | Trixer | Honestly, you need to send an email to someone with step by step directiosn on how to do it.... if not they arent going to take you serious |
| 20:09.56 | Trixer | Im sure they get a billion emails a day with hack threats or security problems, that are lame 15 year olds who got a trojan trying to download a hack ro something. |
| 20:10.03 | |Jelly| | You get lewt? |
| 20:10.06 | bleeter | oh yeah, I did email hacks@... |
| 20:10.12 | kd3 | hacks@blizz is the email for that, but they've done some stupid crap to reports I've sent in |
| 20:10.24 | kd3 | like resetting /my/ account info instead of the idiot who posted it on the wiki |
| 20:10.34 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 20:10.39 | Trixer | I would send it to an email someone wasnt expecting something like that in with a subject that is normal |
| 20:10.52 | bleeter | at last I thought I did... nothing in my Sent folder :/ |
| 20:10.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Of course, we're looking over option C here |
| 20:11.05 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not a hole and bleeter is wrong ;) |
| 20:11.10 | Trixer | lmao |
| 20:11.57 | Trixer | Bleeter: I would just keep in mind the amount of emails they get that might claim something completely retarded, and getting yours heard among the retards is the problem. Claiming to find a security hole, and showing them in like a youtube video or something is two diffrent things. |
| 20:12.17 | Trixer | of course dont youtube it, but if you frapsed and sent it in that might get their attention. |
| 20:12.20 | Trixer | Just hack your own account. |
| 20:12.34 | bleeter | Trixer: I've hacked my own account using this method a couple of times ;) |
| 20:12.45 | zenzelezz | REPORTED! |
| 20:12.48 | Amarande | of course, Blizzard may not even want to help people secure their accounts |
| 20:12.58 | Amarande | after all, that makes it harder for them to get you to buy the Authenticator |
| 20:13.21 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: ok,let's see what exactly I *could* do ... spose I need that for the bugtraq post (which I'll CC hacks@ on) |
| 20:13.37 | Trixer | bleeter: Another thing.. how easy is this hack for someone to do |
| 20:13.57 | Trixer | for instance does it require them to have numbers or something on your auther.. or know something about you or your account. |
| 20:14.12 | Amarande | kd3: does dnssec pose issues for open source systems, though? |
| 20:14.13 | Trixer | I mean whats the likely hood someone would be able to use this hole in a serious malious mannor? |
| 20:14.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: no? |
| 20:14.19 | kd3 | no |
| 20:14.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Why would it? |
| 20:14.40 | kd3 | ssl is shipped in every distro... why would dnssec be a problem? |
| 20:14.40 | Trixer | I wish I could type today.... |
| 20:15.11 | Amarande | kd3: I'm not sure exactly what you'd solve in DNS security by layering it over SSL, though |
| 20:15.16 | Dewin | Amarande: People aren't going to buy authenticators if they don't think they'll help account security. |
| 20:15.22 | bleeter | hmm, I'm loathed to test the 'remove authenticator' link in case there's no further checks and my authenticator gets removed straight away |
| 20:15.36 | Dewin | bleeter: You can't add it back in? |
| 20:15.47 | kd3 | ama; no... but if other crypto's included in distros, why would there be a problem adding dnssec? |
| 20:15.48 | bleeter | Dewin: dunno ifa removed one can be re-added |
| 20:15.58 | Dewin | Be awfully stupid if it couldn't. |
| 20:16.01 | bleeter | the 'remove' option is, generaly, recommended for a borken/lost one. |
| 20:16.02 | ScytheBlade1 | dnssec isn't DNS over SSL |
| 20:16.12 | ScytheBlade1 | SSL is stateful, DNS is not, they are inherently incompatable |
| 20:16.23 | Trixer | I really dont see the point in buying one of those authers.. I have never had my account hacked (that I know of lmao) and seriously doubt anyone who dosnt put their self in danager would get their account hacked. |
| 20:16.23 | Dewin | DNS can be |
| 20:16.25 | bleeter | so if I were implementing, I'd not allow it to be re-used without something more formal than just my say so |
| 20:16.35 | Amarande | kd3: the only thing I could think of though that would produce a secure DNS system |
| 20:16.38 | Shirik | when is the bank usually until? |
| 20:16.46 | Shirik | open* |
| 20:16.49 | kd3 | 5 |
| 20:16.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Dewin: sure, if you use the TCP transit, which is usually only used in zone transfers |
| 20:16.56 | kd3 | amarande; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNSSEC |
| 20:16.59 | Amarande | would be if all DNS queries had to include some sort of encrypted authentication block from the connecting client ... |
| 20:17.04 | Trixer | bleeter: 10 bucks says you can add it again to that account or any other account you like... |
| 20:17.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Most people shut off TCP queries entirely unless they have good reason otherwise |
| 20:17.36 | Dewin | Scythe: Good point, and it does add protocol overhead to a protocol where the overhead is likely as large as the payload |
| 20:17.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, yes, dnssec does indeed do that. There are papers on the amount of overhead it adds, and it definitely adds up |
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| 20:18.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Never mind the data transfer overhead and additional queries that may or may not be required |
| 20:18.59 | Dewin | I was under the impression that most of the records for supporting information were included in the response as well |
| 20:19.27 | Amarande | I'm beginning to take a -really- negative view of European privacy laws at this point. |
| 20:19.28 | Dewin | i.e. if you're told that the nameserver for foo.com is ns1.foo.com, you'll also be told that ns1.foo.com is 192.168.1.2 |
| 20:19.48 | NeoTron | man this past week has been special. |
| 20:19.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Under DNSSEC, _all_ records are signed with a zone signing key, which is signed by a key singing key, which is signed by your DNS provider's KSK, which is signed by their... etc etc etc all the way up to . |
| 20:19.50 | Amarande | As in, they basically -squelch progress- and I don't know if privacy is really salient enough to be something worth squelching process over |
| 20:19.58 | NeoTron | haven't kept up with anything outside of WoW :P |
| 20:20.03 | NeoTron | maybe a good thing I normally.. work :) |
| 20:20.06 | ScytheBlade1 | You query foo.com and you get back both an A record and a signature record |
| 20:20.33 | ScytheBlade1 | To verify the record is valid, you walk the keys from foo.com. to com. to . |
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| 20:20.49 | Dewin | yuck |
| 20:21.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It's also stateless and heavily cachable |
| 20:21.12 | Dewin | oh, maybe less yuck then |
| 20:21.20 | Dewin | guess that makes sense, since the keys are part of the record |
| 20:21.22 | ScytheBlade1 | And done usually on the DNS servers, not on the individual clients |
| 20:21.30 | NeoTron | now I need to figure out how to spend badges and what gear upgrades to go for for my DK |
| 20:21.37 | Dewin | so even a non-DNSsec-supporting server can cache the keys |
| 20:21.43 | Shirik | DNSSEC = good |
| 20:21.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Right. They're just another record |
| 20:23.12 | ScytheBlade1 | On the flip side, every different record is signed. While an A record may only be a few bytes, the signature for a single A record can be as much as 5-10x larger than the actual record |
| 20:23.22 | Shirik | who cares :P |
| 20:23.25 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a bit more involved than just slapping SSL over DNS ;) |
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| 20:23.28 | Amarande | EU privacy laws that squelch global tech progress = bad |
| 20:23.40 | Trixer | Wow... you dudes are smart |
| 20:23.43 | Trixer | I mean I thought I Was smart |
| 20:23.50 | Trixer | but alot of this is right over my head |
| 20:24.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. I've read a lot about it, and tried my hand at signing my own zones several times |
| 20:24.08 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, we went from a 32 bit address to a 128 bit address for every single packet sent over the internet |
| 20:24.16 | Shirik | do you honestly think anyone cares about that anymore :) |
| 20:24.23 | Trixer | lmao |
| 20:24.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: and for an IPv6 address, the signature can still be 2-4x as large |
| 20:24.38 | Shirik | I think my point still stands :p |
| 20:24.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And it totally matters, you're effectively 4xing the memory reqs for every record |
| 20:24.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus the CPU involved at walking the key chain |
| 20:24.52 | Trixer | So am I looking in the wrong place or is there a serious lack of tutorials for the wow API? |
| 20:24.57 | Shirik | But we've done that already |
| 20:25.01 | Shirik | and it wasn't a big deal (yet) |
| 20:25.04 | Amarande | Trixer: you want to buy the wowprogramming book |
| 20:25.07 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Interface_customization |
| 20:25.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That's because no one runs DNSSEC yet |
| 20:25.19 | ScytheBlade1 | When you have an ISP like comcast |
| 20:25.23 | Shirik | IPv6 |
| 20:25.23 | Trixer | Amarande: Its already been ordered waiting... |
| 20:25.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Their DNS servers are going to burn |
| 20:25.44 | Shirik | every single packet added (128-32) * 2 byes |
| 20:25.45 | Cralor` | http://crunchies2008.techcrunch.com/ |
| 20:25.54 | Shirik | lua> (128-32)*2 |
| 20:25.55 | lua_bot | Shirik: 192 |
| 20:26.01 | Shirik | bits* |
| 20:26.08 | Shirik | not to mention all the extra stuff that got thrown into ipv6 |
| 20:26.09 | Trixer | KD3: Yeah im already there, I was looking for some good getting started tuts, but the only one there was very bare bones haha |
| 20:26.20 | Amarande | well, I don't expect comcast to be competent at anything important anyway :S |
| 20:26.37 | Trixer | isnt comcast timewarner now? |
| 20:26.41 | ScytheBlade1 | *4 for the signature. Say a website has 4 A records. A quick test shows 156 bytes for an AAAA address. 156*4*4 |
| 20:26.43 | kd3 | great thing is... it's a wiki. feel free to flesh it out once you get more |
| 20:26.46 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 156*4*4 |
| 20:26.47 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 2496 |
| 20:26.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 156*4*4, 156*4 |
| 20:26.55 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 2496, 624 |
| 20:27.01 | Trixer | kd3: Ohh I would love to add a tutorial or two if I knew what I was doing haha... |
| 20:27.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah the memory matters |
| 20:27.52 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, you are totally missing my point |
| 20:27.58 | ScytheBlade1 | No I'm getting it |
| 20:28.08 | ScytheBlade1 | The thing you're missing is what it'll do to _large_ DNS resolvers |
| 20:28.28 | Shirik | And what you're missing is that this has already been done to every server out there |
| 20:28.38 | Shirik | including the "large DNS resolvers" |
| 20:28.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. We'll see what happens. |
| 20:28.59 | Cidan | Shirik: wtf are you on ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:28.59 | Amarande | Scythe: I'm sure Comcast will just do something like put people on a limit as to how many different DNS queries they can have in a month and give them a warning if they exceed it |
| 20:29.01 | Cidan | er |
| 20:29.03 | Cidan | -shirik |
| 20:29.10 | Cidan | + ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:29.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: or just drop more servers |
| 20:29.10 | Amarande | and suspend them for a year if they get two warnings in six months, that kinda thing :P |
| 20:29.23 | Amarande | Scythe: yeah but we're talking about Comcast here. :P |
| 20:29.31 | Shirik | ~kill Cidan |
| 20:29.32 | purl | ACTION shoots a super-inverse anti-neutron gun at Cidan |
| 20:29.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/dnssec_howto/#x1-70000B |
| 20:29.37 | Cidan | ~lart Shirik |
| 20:29.37 | purl | declares Shirik a moron |
| 20:29.39 | Trixer | Hey guys |
| 20:29.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Namely |
| 20:29.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/dnssec_howto/filesizegrowth.jpg |
| 20:29.45 | Trixer | http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_customization_FAQ |
| 20:29.48 | Trixer | first one under spells |
| 20:29.53 | Cidan | Trixer: hi, oh, right, let me write you up a tutorial. |
| 20:29.56 | Trixer | I was under the assumption that I couldnt do that... |
| 20:30.07 | Trixer | (You CAN, however, have a function which chooses which of a number of spells to cast, and casts just one of them).] |
| 20:30.11 | Trixer | this part is what im reffering to |
| 20:30.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Beladona (n=Beladona@24.129.136.26) |
| 20:30.41 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Beladona] by ChanServ |
| 20:31.57 | Shirik | Trixer: You don't get to pick which one casts |
| 20:32.04 | Shirik | well |
| 20:32.07 | Shirik | let me rephrase |
| 20:32.12 | Trixer | the logic can pick which one that casts right? |
| 20:32.15 | Shirik | You can set up anything out-of-combat |
| 20:32.24 | Trixer | Im refferng only to in combat for the moment |
| 20:32.24 | Shirik | once you enter combat, you go into a locked down state |
| 20:32.32 | Shirik | once you've gone into ocmbat, you can't pick anymore |
| 20:32.43 | Shirik | so if you say "Cast one of these" you can have it randomly pick one |
| 20:32.59 | Amarande | hmm |
| 20:33.05 | Cralor` | yea because if you could, you could set an addon up to cast stuff based on what happens to you :P |
| 20:33.07 | Trixer | can I have it pick one based on logic say.... cast this spell if mana is empty, this one if its fully, this one if this |
| 20:33.08 | Amarande | Shirik, if you can set up anything out of combat |
| 20:33.15 | Amarande | doesn't that mean that you could still make something like decursive again? |
| 20:33.19 | Dewin | What do all of the square minimap icons do with minimap icons? |
| 20:33.22 | Shirik | how? |
| 20:33.29 | Amarande | Shirik: you'd just have to set up the secure action buttons to attempt to cast ALL the de-whatever spells |
| 20:33.44 | foxlit | Amarande: no. It wouldn't work. |
| 20:33.44 | Trixer | it only casts the first one |
| 20:33.46 | Trixer | the rest are ignored |
| 20:33.47 | Amarande | IIRC, many (most?) de-foo fail to cast if the target isn't afflicted with a proper foo |
| 20:33.51 | Shirik | with castrandom? |
| 20:34.05 | Shirik | you could do that with a macro |
| 20:34.17 | Shirik | to cast all? It will stop after the first failure |
| 20:34.33 | Shirik | for that exact reason |
| 20:34.55 | Amarande | wouldn't a more elegant solution have been to allow de-foo to cast even if it will have no effect |
| 20:35.12 | Shirik | I would be very pissed if they did that |
| 20:35.21 | Beladona | mana lost, global cooldown |
| 20:35.22 | Amarande | therefore, the person attempting to make a neo-decursive gets one, but at the cost of committing themselves to casting all their de-foo consecutively with the GCD in between each? :) |
| 20:35.40 | Shirik | no |
| 20:35.47 | Shirik | I will kill someone if that ever happens |
| 20:35.55 | Beladona | besides, I don't think they want you to be able to make a neo-decursive |
| 20:35.55 | kd3 | meh. I'm glad decurse doesn't cast if it won't work... though it was great for pissing people off back in mc just spamming it on someone |
| 20:36.04 | Lunessa | Shirik: So will a lot of other people. |
| 20:36.10 | Beladona | which is just one more reason to make it fail rather than cast anyway |
| 20:36.18 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: detect magic on Al'ar > spamming decurse in MC |
| 20:36.26 | ScytheBlade1 | "WHY ARE YOU CASTING ON AL'AR?!" |
| 20:36.38 | Amarande | Beladona: well, the thing about decursive was, it intelligently picked out the right de-foo and cast it. |
| 20:36.50 | kd3 | which is why we got 2.0 |
| 20:36.51 | Beladona | right |
| 20:36.58 | kd3 | naxx was a pain without decursive |
| 20:37.02 | Beladona | which the specifically wanted to prevent |
| 20:37.19 | Amarande | a neo-decursive, under the change I mentioned, would have to cycle through every de-foo, in a fixed order, using mana, and having GCD's in between, and therefore be so clunky as to result in anyone using one getting gkicked anyway. :) |
| 20:37.49 | Beladona | I doubt they care enough to allow that |
| 20:38.02 | Beladona | intelligence > automation |
| 20:38.09 | Amarande | It'd be -exactly the same- as having a total noob healer on your team who has all the de-foo on their action bar and instead of looking to see which one they should cast, just bumping 2345678 over and over |
| 20:38.13 | Amarande | They'd get gkicked, right? :) |
| 20:38.14 | foxlit | You can already do that, anyway. |
| 20:38.26 | foxlit | It's just not worth calling "decursive" if you're casting at random. |
| 20:38.35 | Beladona | Amarande: regardless, they would get gkicked because they were stupid |
| 20:38.40 | Trixer | lmao |
| 20:38.40 | Beladona | not because their addon was stupid |
| 20:38.48 | Lothaer | how can i find out itemstrings ingame? |
| 20:38.57 | Trixer | now I have a question |
| 20:39.03 | Trixer | can I set a spell to cast in and out of combat? |
| 20:39.15 | Trixer | for instance can I have one cast as soon as I leave combat and another cast when I enter it? |
| 20:39.22 | Beladona | different, based on if you are in combat or not? |
| 20:39.28 | Trixer | yes |
| 20:39.30 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Item_Functions |
| 20:39.33 | Trixer | one for entering and one for leaving |
| 20:39.39 | Beladona | as long as you are triggering it |
| 20:39.56 | Trixer | ohh thats a good point lmao |
| 20:40.00 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.12 | Beladona | but yes, you can have it cast a different spell based on if youa re in combat or not |
| 20:40.22 | Beladona | you can do that with macros even |
| 20:40.23 | Trixer | hmm |
| 20:40.24 | Trixer | yeah |
| 20:40.30 | Amarande | I suppose I'm especially fond of allowing people to do something, but only in a way that will get them kicked in the pants, than just disallowing it altogether :) |
| 20:40.40 | Trixer | lol |
| 20:40.47 | Amarande | It's like how I played my Mesmer in Guild Wars. I tended to focus on stuff that punished rather than interrupted opponents |
| 20:40.59 | Beladona | Amarande: I disagree. Forcing them to use their brain makes it easier to identify the idiots |
| 20:41.08 | Trixer | Lmao Amarande ever heard of Glymse Nightbane? |
| 20:41.22 | Trixer | I was one of the top mesmers for a guild called mostly harmless in gw for about 8 months ;) |
| 20:41.37 | Beladona | its like when addons break, and you have peple trying to heal for a few days until the addons are updated |
| 20:41.44 | Amarande | Trixer: I didn't play all that much GvG |
| 20:41.49 | Beladona | you can always tell who has had to heal pre-healbot |
| 20:41.50 | Amarande | I mostly played Fort Aspenwood in my later days of PvP |
| 20:41.53 | Trixer | ahh Ama |
| 20:42.13 | Trixer | I didnt find heal bot until I started playing my shamman |
| 20:42.21 | Trixer | and by then I was already used to manual healing with my priest |
| 20:42.27 | Beladona | I use it, but I specifically learned to heal without it first |
| 20:42.32 | bnovc | i dont see the point of healbotting unless you can automated doing the whole instance |
| 20:42.44 | bnovc | otherwise you're just more bored |
| 20:42.46 | Trixer | I used it with my shamman for a while just cause my bar was set up enhance and I didnt have hotkeyed heals lol |
| 20:42.49 | Beladona | my main use of it is for status |
| 20:43.06 | Beladona | poison, curse, etc... |
| 20:43.19 | bnovc | not automatically healing your group just picking a spell for you or something? |
| 20:43.20 | Trixer | healbot is an addon bnovc |
| 20:43.22 | bnovc | oh |
| 20:43.26 | Beladona | no |
| 20:43.35 | Beladona | it uses pre-defined key combinations |
| 20:43.36 | Trixer | It used to basicly make healing a piece of cake... |
| 20:43.38 | Beladona | you stil pick the spell |
| 20:43.45 | Amarande | hmm |
| 20:43.50 | Trixer | and now it makes it a little harder but not so much... |
| 20:43.57 | Amarande | pre-targeted secure action buttons allowing you to cast your proper heal on any raid member immediately? :) |
| 20:44.00 | bnovc | healing is already a piece of cake |
| 20:44.11 | Beladona | I would venture to say healing is boring |
| 20:44.13 | Trixer | More or less Ama |
| 20:44.17 | bnovc | Beladona: pve, yes |
| 20:44.19 | Trixer | Naa healing is not boring |
| 20:44.21 | bnovc | pvp its fun |
| 20:44.30 | duaiwe | pfft. pvp healing is like pve healing, but with less control |
| 20:44.31 | Beladona | I SO wanted to go DPS with the xpac, but so did all the other healers in my guild |
| 20:44.32 | bnovc | so with this addon you just hit one button over and over? |
| 20:44.32 | Trixer | its a completely diffrent game, you learn to watch the battlefield alot more |
| 20:44.38 | Trixer | no bnovc |
| 20:44.46 | bnovc | duaiwe: pvp healing is 75% CC, 25% healing |
| 20:44.46 | Beladona | I am currently one of only 3 healers that will be ready for raids |
| 20:44.53 | Beladona | which means we have to recruit |
| 20:44.56 | Trixer | lol |
| 20:45.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: o_0 your other healers weren't gearing up their heal sets whie they leveled? |
| 20:45.03 | Dewin | wtb server that is up. |
| 20:45.04 | NightHawkTheSane | *cough* fail. |
| 20:45.05 | Beladona | no-one wants to heal anymore |
| 20:45.16 | Beladona | its not that NightHawkTheSane |
| 20:45.21 | Beladona | they went dps |
| 20:45.22 | Amarande | Beladona: how painful is leveling up a healer now, btw? |
| 20:45.30 | Beladona | shaman? piece of cake |
| 20:45.31 | Trixer | I know this has been beaten like a dead horse |
| 20:45.36 | Amarande | I remember in the TBC days I could barely force myself to level my priest past 61 |
| 20:45.36 | Trixer | but I want to make sure that I fully understand it |
| 20:45.42 | Beladona | ES + Riptide = I can handle 5+ mobs at a time |
| 20:45.46 | Amarande | I should have leveled a shaman instead I guess if I wanted to be a class that could heal |
| 20:45.47 | Beladona | solo |
| 20:45.57 | Amarande | given that resto shamans kill slow as sludge but virtually never die |
| 20:46.09 | Amarande | whereas priests, well, even if you go shadow, mobs die pretty quickly but you're as squishy as jello |
| 20:46.11 | Beladona | with the change to spell power, we don't kill that slow |
| 20:46.11 | Trixer | nevermind I understand |
| 20:46.18 | Beladona | its a lot better now |
| 20:46.25 | NightHawkTheSane | the spell power change means LBs/Heals are basically equivalent between ele and resto |
| 20:46.26 | Dewin | Beladona: That's pretty impressive. |
| 20:46.32 | Amarande | oddly enough though, the character I least enjoy playing now seems to be my warlock |
| 20:46.47 | Trixer | I am enjoying the hunter |
| 20:46.49 | Amarande | I used to have that warm fuzzy feeling that I once described as being Lanfear with a Sa'angreal when I was playing my aff lock |
| 20:46.50 | Dewin | My wife (holy priest) and myself (BM hunter) discovered we can be lazy and round up + aoe packs of mobs for XP. |
| 20:46.51 | Trixer | its just alot ot keep track of man |
| 20:46.57 | Trixer | I got CC, DPS, Pet stuff, aspects... |
| 20:46.57 | Beladona | Dewin: it probably helps that I have 4 piece resto t6, plus 2 piece ele t6 |
| 20:46.59 | Amarande | now I have that cold dim sinking feeling of being squishy like jello |
| 20:47.07 | Trixer | I feel like a concert pionist when I play... |
| 20:47.08 | Arrowmaster | warlocks arent fun anymore, but im unlikely to ever change mains, put too much time into my warlock |
| 20:47.10 | Amarande | did aff damage get nerfed? :| |
| 20:47.18 | Dewin | grab 6-8 mobs around our level, gorilladin thunderstomps, she shields me + spams holy nova and I volley |
| 20:47.32 | Amarande | it didn't feel like it did in Outland but now that I went to Howling Fjord it seems like it did, big time |
| 20:47.38 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: aff damage was never good since 2.0.3 |
| 20:47.41 | Dewin | bam, 5-6kXP (before rested bonus) in about 20 seconds. |
| 20:47.43 | bnovc | Beladona: i bet there will be a lot of healers available after the dual spec patch |
| 20:47.53 | Beladona | hopefully |
| 20:47.56 | Trixer | dual spec patch? |
| 20:47.59 | bnovc | not hopefully... i hope there are none |
| 20:48.01 | bnovc | because i heal :D |
| 20:48.09 | Beladona | at least the instances are so stinking easy, it will be easy to gear them up |
| 20:48.10 | Cralor` | Trixer: switch talents with press of a button |
| 20:48.16 | Beladona | not to mention the spell power change |
| 20:48.17 | Dewin | Trixer: Blizzard wants to implement a way to quickly switch between two talent builds. |
| 20:48.18 | NightHawkTheSane | bnovc: but who wants to wait until 3.1, or 3.1, or 3.3.. whenever they decide to impelemnet it, to start raiding, because they don't have enough healers :p |
| 20:48.19 | Cralor` | have to be pre-defined tho |
| 20:48.25 | Amarande | Night: 3.1 |
| 20:48.28 | Trixer | holy shit.. .really your going to be able to switch talents? |
| 20:48.29 | Amarande | they said 'the first content patch' I believe |
| 20:48.29 | bnovc | have they decided how you'll be able to switch? |
| 20:48.35 | Trixer | like 1 touch talent changes? |
| 20:48.37 | bnovc | is it any time out of combat not in anrena? |
| 20:48.38 | Amarande | along with mounts being able to swim |
| 20:48.38 | bnovc | *arena |
| 20:48.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer: welcome to two months ago. |
| 20:48.42 | Beladona | Trixer: it was announced at Blizzcon |
| 20:48.43 | bnovc | Amarande: what.. |
| 20:48.47 | Amarande | bnovc: not in Battlegrounds either |
| 20:48.51 | Amarande | thank the Light |
| 20:48.51 | Beladona | and hinted at before then |
| 20:48.57 | bnovc | Amarande: swimming mounts?! |
| 20:49.02 | Amarande | bnovc: that's what I hear |
| 20:49.08 | Dewin | Heh, I'll probably start PVPing when that goes in. |
| 20:49.08 | bnovc | what the fuck is the point of aquatic form then? |
| 20:49.10 | Amarande | you won't auto dismount in water anymore |
| 20:49.13 | Trixer | I dont keep up with wow info I just play the game sheesh.. I have to much to do outside of the game to read about it :P |
| 20:49.15 | Beladona | the swimming mounts was announed at Blizzcon too |
| 20:49.15 | Arrowmaster | wait what swimming mounts? shit i need to get a turtle from ebay then |
| 20:49.25 | Dewin | bnovc: 14 levels earlier than mounts? |
| 20:49.29 | bleeter | yup, you can remove the authenticator with this hack =)) |
| 20:49.30 | Trixer | Bnovc, have you ever had to run away from 5 enemys chasing you as a druid? |
| 20:49.34 | Beladona | I would be willing to bet you won't get a speed in crease in water though on a mount |
| 20:49.44 | Beladona | it just won't dismount you anymore |
| 20:49.45 | NeoTron | bnovc: uhm. underwater breathing? |
| 20:49.45 | NightHawkTheSane | bnovc: usable in combat |
| 20:49.47 | Dewin | Just a "don't have to remount" would be nice |
| 20:49.51 | Trixer | if you have then you will seriously know why aqua form is awesome |
| 20:49.53 | Dewin | especially considering all the tiny lakes I cross. |
| 20:49.57 | bleeter | at least you can re-add |
| 20:50.02 | NeoTron | and yeah, it might not be very fast |
| 20:50.08 | Amarande | yeah, and shaman ghostwolf works in combat/underwater too |
| 20:50.14 | Beladona | yup |
| 20:50.20 | Amarande | otherwise, Sheriana would have had much more trouble getting to Ratchet in one piece |
| 20:50.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: well, with water walking usable mounted now, they may just let 'swimming' mounts retain their speed |
| 20:50.24 | Trixer | I dont know how many times I have ditched people chasing me cause of aqua form and dipsetting into water |
| 20:50.26 | NightHawkTheSane | but who knows |
| 20:50.27 | Arrowmaster | |Jelly|: wtf is BL still down? |
| 20:50.30 | Amarande | however, seeing as none of the orc guards could ever even CATCH her in ghostwolf form ... |
| 20:50.31 | bnovc | Trixer: shadowmeld + flight form |
| 20:50.37 | Beladona | reagentless water walking was my best friend while I levelled in Northred, prior to getting my cold weather flying |
| 20:50.49 | Amarande | as for dual spec taken out of battlegrounds, that's definite win |
| 20:50.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: in-fucking-deed. :D |
| 20:50.54 | Trixer | lmao im horde bnovc :P |
| 20:51.00 | Dewin | Beladona: Reagentless waterwalking? |
| 20:51.01 | Amarande | I read that originally they were going to allow it in BGs (though never arenas) |
| 20:51.02 | bnovc | Trixer: sucks for you because its amazing |
| 20:51.05 | Amarande | which would have utterly destroyed WSG. :) |
| 20:51.07 | bnovc | but it was a lot better for arena the old way |
| 20:51.08 | Dewin | I found one for waterbreathing, didn't find one for waterwalking |
| 20:51.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: glyph |
| 20:51.10 | Trixer | lol |
| 20:51.16 | Beladona | Dewin: its a shaman inscription |
| 20:51.16 | Amarande | WSG with dual spec: "Hey, we have the flag! Let's all respec to healers, boys!" |
| 20:51.21 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: if they did that, it would make path of frost and water walking completely useless so I doubt it |
| 20:51.22 | bnovc | Amarande: haha |
| 20:51.28 | bnovc | the new BG is pretty fun |
| 20:51.30 | Trixer | lmao for real Ama! |
| 20:51.30 | bnovc | (btw) |
| 20:51.55 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: nah, still useful for griefing party members on fall :) |
| 20:52.07 | Dewin | gotta love hard water |
| 20:52.10 | Amarande | so, is there 80 BG gear, or is it still needing AP instead of marks? |
| 20:52.20 | NeoTron | i bet it will move you at normal swimming speed but just not dismount you |
| 20:52.25 | Beladona | water walking in AZN |
| 20:52.27 | Beladona | on that drop |
| 20:52.30 | Beladona | is win |
| 20:52.30 | Trixer | ok ok I have one last question regaurding the in and out of combat and casting spells |
| 20:52.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: a guildy did that to the tank the other night, it was hilarious. :) |
| 20:52.53 | Beladona | I had to do it |
| 20:52.55 | Beladona | just once |
| 20:53.02 | Trixer | can I make it so that when I press a button.. (macro script or whatever) that it casts a spell based on logic? |
| 20:53.06 | Beladona | hit a guy right as he jumped |
| 20:53.08 | Trixer | in combat of course |
| 20:53.27 | Beladona | Trixer: I think it depends on the logic |
| 20:53.36 | bnovc | Amarande: i'm suer youll need arena pts |
| 20:53.36 | Trixer | well lets say this |
| 20:53.40 | bnovc | blizzard really likes arena |
| 20:53.44 | bleeter | email sent |
| 20:53.56 | Trixer | lets say, that when I hit the button i want it to check to see my mana level |
| 20:54.01 | foxlit | no |
| 20:54.07 | Trixer | if my mana level is so high it casts this and if not it casts that... |
| 20:54.11 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 20:54.26 | Arrowmaster | i remember an old video of a shaman using a mindcontrol cap on somebody at the bridge between arathi and wetlands, casting waterwalking on him them jumping |
| 20:54.29 | Trixer | all hopes for an incombat aspect manager are lost lol |
| 20:54.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer: in general, the only conditions you can switch on are the ones available to macros |
| 20:54.45 | bleeter | used an 'anonymous' address, though if hacks@ are reading here and wanna take revenge on my accounts, wouldn't be too hard for them |
| 20:54.53 | Trixer | I dont know how many times as a priest I have mindcontrolled someone and jumped them off of some random ass high cliff |
| 20:55.43 | Trixer | It really makes you feel good |
| 20:57.17 | Trixer | Hmm, well I guess im going to do it like clad suggested and im going to create a bar with all the aspect icons and just have it highlight the "reccomended" aspect haha |
| 20:59.11 | Beladona | I just realized something |
| 20:59.20 | Trixer | hmm? |
| 20:59.48 | bnovc | it is hypothetically possible to make an in combat aspect manager but it would be against the EULA |
| 21:00.02 | Trixer | lol |
| 21:00.11 | Beladona | someone in my guild used to play a prank on his roomate, and summon his char to a floating rock out in outland, after leaving his hs and mount in the bank |
| 21:00.15 | Beladona | can't do that anymore |
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| 21:00.45 | Trixer | lol)) |
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| 21:01.08 | KarlKFI | why not? |
| 21:01.09 | Trixer | explain bnovc? |
| 21:01.41 | bnovc | Trixer: no. not approved of topic here |
| 21:01.43 | Arrowmaster | because you cant leave mounts in the bank anymore |
| 21:01.48 | KarlKFI | oh right, duh |
| 21:02.29 | Arrowmaster | you can still do the old fly as high as possible over shatt until you hit the ceiling, dismount and logoff really fast |
| 21:02.35 | Arrowmaster | and hope they have a fast loading time |
| 21:02.37 | Trixer | well bnovc I think I know what your going to say and I could have already done that im not interested in doing it like that.. |
| 21:02.59 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: can't log out while moving |
| 21:03.02 | Trixer | What about running people off cliffs in your mammoth? |
| 21:03.05 | foxlit | Falling counts as moving, I think. |
| 21:03.12 | Amarande | yes, falling does count as moving |
| 21:03.12 | Arrowmaster | you can in cities |
| 21:03.20 | Amarande | foxlit: otherwise that one tale I read once wouldn't be true |
| 21:03.26 | Amarande | basically, it worked like this |
| 21:03.28 | Amarande | forget what patch it was in |
| 21:03.33 | bnovc | Trixer: what was i going to say? |
| 21:03.46 | Amarande | anyway, guy was going to do a quick strat run with his buddy (70s) |
| 21:03.54 | Amarande | they forgot, however, to turn the dungeons back to normal mode |
| 21:04.24 | Trixer | Bnovc: Using an outside program to do it |
| 21:04.44 | Amarande | well, lag was involved in some way I think but apparently they went straight through the strat portal with nothing happening, because there's no heroic strat |
| 21:04.59 | Amarande | and before they were stopped by the invisible wall, they'd gone off the edge (there being no world past the end of the corridor there) |
| 21:05.23 | Amarande | anyway, IIRC, one guy was lucky and fell straight down so eventually I guess he hit z wraparound and went splat or something simple like that |
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| 21:05.41 | Amarande | the other guy fell at a *JUST SLIGHTLY SOUTH* angle. |
| 21:05.45 | Amarande | you can imagine what this did. :) |
| 21:05.56 | foxlit | Amarande: you can still blink through that instance portal, I think. |
| 21:06.09 | Amarande | fox: did they fix the fall through the world after that though? |
| 21:06.14 | Trixer | Ama: what did he do? |
| 21:06.15 | foxlit | Not sure. |
| 21:06.24 | Amarande | Trixer: think he had to try to get a GM |
| 21:06.30 | Amarande | hearth? 'can't do that while moving' |
| 21:06.35 | KarlKFI | landed in the underworld |
| 21:06.36 | Amarande | mage portal (and yes he WAS one) 'can't do that while moving' |
| 21:06.38 | bnovc | Trixer: not really, no...but either way i don't recommend trying to circumvent the system |
| 21:06.47 | Trixer | Im not going to Bnovc |
| 21:06.47 | Amarande | basically, anything he tried was CDTWM |
| 21:06.49 | KarlKFI | same thing used to happen zonign into old naxx when it was first openned |
| 21:06.51 | Dashkal | Amarande: last time I got stuck in that kind of situation I was summoned out |
| 21:06.52 | Trixer | I wanted to do it the right way |
| 21:07.21 | Amarande | I guess without some form of intervention, he would literally have had to wait till he fell through -all of Eastern Kingdoms- and eventually hit the south sea and drowned |
| 21:07.22 | Trixer | if it cant be done I can acceppt that and just do a recomender |
| 21:07.29 | Amarande | Remember, he started at *Stratholme*. |
| 21:07.35 | Amarande | I can't even imagine how long that takes. :) |
| 21:07.42 | Trixer | Hmm z wrap around.... |
| 21:07.43 | Amarande | And yeah, he was as able to log out as Tsukasa while moving. :| |
| 21:07.50 | Amarande | Trixer: not sure if that's the case |
| 21:08.08 | Amarande | but I imagine that if you fell through the world like that, eventually the Z axis would underflow and you'd be at the top of the world instead, then fall and splat into the ground properly |
| 21:08.13 | KarlKFI | heck, in BC beta there were holes in the ground by shatt that you could just fall into, was fun |
| 21:08.17 | Trixer | Ama: Yeah, the blizz engine might be diff but in all the ones I have used you fell for infinity if there was no terrian |
| 21:08.38 | Amarande | Trixer: I know in Morrowind if you fall through the world you wrap around and splat into the floor from above |
| 21:08.40 | KarlKFI | yeah there's no wrap around. |
| 21:08.44 | Amarande | probably the same in Oblivion, too |
| 21:08.47 | KarlKFI | there' either a bottom or no bottom |
| 21:09.06 | KarlKFI | coding a wraparound would take more code, not less |
| 21:09.15 | Amarande | Karl: it's not a coded wraparound |
| 21:09.15 | Trixer | Ama: Yeah.. a shit load of code... |
| 21:09.21 | Shirik | Warning: Your Linode has exceeded the notification threshold (300) for disk io rate by averaging 376.56 for the last 2 hours. |
| 21:09.24 | Shirik | 376.56 what? |
| 21:09.28 | Shirik | what kind of warning is that |
| 21:09.28 | Amarande | it's because most 3D games use signed ints of some sort or another for object coordinates |
| 21:09.32 | Trixer | Ama: how is it not a coded wrap around?!?! |
| 21:09.33 | Amarande | fall far enough, and the int will underflow and go to max |
| 21:09.48 | Amarande | and keep falling from there till you hit the ground properly |
| 21:09.49 | KarlKFI | that's only if it's coded poorly in C |
| 21:09.59 | Amarande | by which time of course you've fallen about 4.2 billion units |
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| 21:10.17 | Trixer | Ama: You would have to fall for a very long time at standard gravity settings haha |
| 21:10.25 | Dashkal | Amarande: Quake 1 had an interesting issue with that. You could fall for infinity and loop around so you see the terrain again, except you weren't actually there so you'd fall right though |
| 21:10.37 | Amarande | Dashkal: odd |
| 21:10.40 | Arrowmaster | other games have had that too |
| 21:10.49 | Dashkal | I think your position had a larger variable than the terrain |
| 21:10.56 | Dashkal | so the terrain would loop first |
| 21:11.01 | Amarande | I know in Morrowind (last time I had it happen to me) you fall, loop around, and when you hit the ground coordinates on the looparound, you splat |
| 21:11.22 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember where it happened |
| 21:11.23 | Trixer | Right |
| 21:11.26 | Amarande | I think it was in the Balmora mage guild |
| 21:11.34 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember morrowind doing that |
| 21:11.39 | Trixer | Ohh another thing guys |
| 21:11.51 | Trixer | I saw a druid yesterday glitch in a place in warsong gultch to like get outside |
| 21:11.52 | Arrowmaster | i thought it looped and you went through the ground again |
| 21:12.24 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: I guess that depends on whether the ground glitches a second time |
| 21:12.27 | Trixer | Most game engines you go through the ground again, because the ground isnt really there.. or at least its collision box isnt.. |
| 21:12.40 | Amarande | it didn't -always- glitch, even moving over the same spot at other times, so it can be a random fallthrough |
| 21:12.48 | Lothaer | how do i find the id of Enchant Glows? |
| 21:12.51 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: it was usually inside that i got it to glitch like that, and were you on the pc version? |
| 21:13.00 | Amarande | yeah, I was on the PC version |
| 21:13.02 | Amarande | and I was actually indoors |
| 21:13.06 | Amarande | and still managed to wrap-splat |
| 21:13.18 | Arrowmaster | oh wait now i remember |
| 21:13.35 | Arrowmaster | when it happened to me i usually ended up outside completely so i couldnt hit the ground |
| 21:13.36 | Dewin | I'm looking for a replacement for MobileMinimapButtons, as I'm tired of (particularly) my tracking icon being unmoveable. Any suggestions? wowinterface Search isn't being too helpful |
| 21:13.43 | Arrowmaster | was usually corners and such |
| 21:13.48 | Amarande | also speaking of other places to get stuck that aren't fixed |
| 21:13.51 | Lothaer | minimapbuttonbag |
| 21:13.57 | Amarande | 42,62 in Burning Steppes ... :| |
| 21:14.37 | Trixer | Has anyone ever seen the warsong gultch map glitch? |
| 21:14.43 | Trixer | Its probally old news but I didnt see it until last night |
| 21:14.46 | Dewin | MBB caused hard lockups for me last time I tried it. I'm not looking to separate them out, I'm just looking to be able to move them around the minimap. |
| 21:14.49 | Arrowmaster | ive seen a few |
| 21:15.01 | Beladona | Dewin: one of the features I like about ElkBuffBars is that it puts the tracking menu at the top of your buff list |
| 21:15.08 | Beladona | and takes it off your minimap |
| 21:15.19 | Trixer | Im talking about the one where your runing out of the flag room towards the grave yard and to the left there is the ramp and the right there is some scenory.. he glitched through that and was outside by the grave yard or something... |
| 21:15.23 | Arrowmaster | an old guildmate used to wallwalk out of AV all the time |
| 21:16.48 | Beladona | oh the fun of the catch22 |
| 21:16.50 | Dewin | yeah, I just got RicoMiniMap and I'm trying to move things around so there's nothing on the top+right sides, but I can't move the tracking button at all, and a lot of other minimap buttons misbehave and expect it to be circular |
| 21:16.54 | Trixer | It was crazy.. he like did it perfectly just wiggled back and forth and fell down and was gone.. |
| 21:17.11 | Amarande | hmm |
| 21:17.13 | Beladona | so, I have the texture overlay, that is meant to exist over top of bartender buttons (its a popup bar) |
| 21:17.15 | Amarande | this post on EJ makes me think |
| 21:17.18 | Beladona | and it works fine |
| 21:17.22 | Amarande | did alchemists like, -really- get shafted in 3.0? |
| 21:17.24 | Beladona | but it also overlaps the chat frame |
| 21:17.42 | Beladona | I am trying to avoid changing the FrameStrata of the chat frame too much |
| 21:17.46 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: mixology looks perty damn nice to me as a non alch |
| 21:17.47 | Beladona | anyone have ideas? |
| 21:17.58 | Arrowmaster | Beladona: framelevels |
| 21:18.09 | duaiwe | Arrowmaster: 4hr flasks ftw? |
| 21:18.25 | Beladona | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:SetFrameLevel(MyFrame:GetFrameLevel()+1) ??? |
| 21:18.28 | Arrowmaster | plus they give more bonus |
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| 21:18.38 | Arrowmaster | Beladona: to the chatframe or the other frame |
| 21:18.38 | Amarande | well, I'm thinking things like the alchemist stone |
| 21:18.52 | Amarande | would I at this point be best off just making the stat-bonus alch stone on my alch when she hits 350 and not even think of the SSO ones? |
| 21:18.52 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: there is no new alchemist stone afaik |
| 21:19.11 | Amarande | the bonuses on the SSO ones seem like they'd be insignificant on a trinket at 80 |
| 21:19.16 | Codayus_ | Alchemy is...arguably a lot worse for making gold, but it's a lot better in terms of "this professions gives me a constant measurable bonus when raiding" |
| 21:19.19 | Amarande | especially since the potion bonus is essentially USELESS now |
| 21:19.31 | Trixer | So besides "using stuff" am I limited between combat and none combat? |
| 21:19.53 | Shirik | they should increase it from 40% |
| 21:19.59 | Codayus_ | And is very comparable with the self-only cloak enchants tailors get, for example. (Just to pick something at random.) |
| 21:19.59 | Arrowmaster | as a tailor i think everybody else got better "this professions gives me a constant measurable bonus when raiding" stuff |
| 21:20.01 | Shirik | I understand why they wanted to drop the multi-pot |
| 21:20.27 | Arrowmaster | alch one seems way better than tailor |
| 21:20.29 | Codayus_ | Hey, the mp5 embroidery is kinda nice. :( |
| 21:20.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: i dunno, im kind envying your -useful- cloak enchants. |
| 21:20.30 | Amarande | pot cooldown doesn't start till outside of combat basically means that pots are more or less being removed from raid boss usage |
| 21:20.32 | Amarande | am I right? |
| 21:20.33 | Shirik | but I think they didn't think it through entirely |
| 21:20.54 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* amazons "Customers Vote" this year is rather meh |
| 21:20.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: er.. no more than any other combat. |
| 21:21.02 | Trixer | Yeah pots only cooldown outside combat now.. its lame to me... |
| 21:21.14 | Amarande | (also, that any raids wanting to actually -do Hyjal now are going to want to get craploads of dark runes for Kaz as they are not affected) |
| 21:21.16 | Corr-work | vote for the PS3 deal you want! |
| 21:21.24 | Corr-work | but you can't vote to have them stop selling it entirely :( |
| 21:21.29 | Thunder_Child | i did...sci-fi is last :( |
| 21:21.34 | Trixer | lmao Corr! |
| 21:21.42 | Thunder_Child | not that i would have bought it anyway |
| 21:21.43 | Amarande | Night: the difference is that against a raid boss, you're sustaining battle for what can be anywhere between five and 20 minutes for major bosses |
| 21:21.45 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: lol? or just kill him before he does a mana drain? |
| 21:21.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: .... at 80? kaz will be fucking trivial |
| 21:21.55 | Amarande | against trash or soloing, you actually exit combat on a regular basis |
| 21:21.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: l2manage mana. |
| 21:22.22 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, kaz is fucking trivial at 70 |
| 21:23.16 | Codayus_ | The games changed hugely in 3.0, and the new changes have been balanced with the potion cooldown. The question is whether alchemy now gives a solid benefit now for current content. Which it does. |
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| 21:24.23 | Trixer | hm |
| 21:24.28 | Trixer | is it possible to tell what kind of damage you take? |
| 21:24.35 | Trixer | for instance melee, magic, or ranged? |
| 21:24.51 | NightHawkTheSane | you can parse the combat log, and determine school of damage |
| 21:25.02 | Trixer | but that takes along time? |
| 21:25.10 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 21:25.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ... no? |
| 21:25.14 | NightHawkTheSane | why would it |
| 21:25.15 | Trixer | ohh... |
| 21:25.21 | Trixer | *shrugs* |
| 21:25.39 | Thrae | We're assuming one event here, not 50,000 events from the past 2 hoursa |
| 21:25.39 | Trixer | I was just saying i have been hitting deadends with my aspect manager all day.. so I figured it might be another |
| 21:25.58 | Trixer | See Thrae thats what I was assuming... |
| 21:26.44 | AbsoRayne | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12891295170&sid=1 |
| 21:26.46 | Thrae | Invalidating a string using a simple pattern is damn quick. Grabbing and doing something with that pattern isn't. |
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| 21:26.53 | AbsoRayne | I <3 my server |
| 21:26.59 | Amarande | Codayus: Am I also correct that the stat alch stone is now a better idea than the SSO ones? |
| 21:27.19 | Thrae | Wait, I'm thinking old school again |
| 21:27.28 | Amarande | by 'stat alch stone' I mean the basic one you make when you hit 350 |
| 21:27.52 | Thrae | Trixer: The Combat Log Events are already separated by incoming -- id, damage #, school, etc. Look up on wowwiki.com for the API. |
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| 21:29.21 | Codayus_ | Amarande: Um... why? |
| 21:31.34 | Amarande | Codayus_: the bonuses from the SSO ones don't seem adequate when you take the 40% pot boost out of the equation |
| 21:32.28 | Trixer | ok now thats funny |
| 21:32.46 | Trixer | ahh ok Thrae thanks! |
| 21:33.00 | Silentspy | cheers all, i need a basic method how to make a dropdown menu |
| 21:33.38 | Silentspy | looked in several mods but most got it "hardcoded" |
| 21:33.42 | Codayus_ | ...well, that's obviously going to depend on your class, spec, gear, type of content your doing, etc. Is 15 to all stats better or worse than 54 defense rating? Depend if your defense capped. :-p |
| 21:34.04 | Cralor` | whoa i did not see this: you can purchase digital game time ( http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000004 ) |
| 21:34.35 | Dewin | Silentspy: Progression is mostly defunct but it has a basic dropdown menu implementation in it.. let me find it |
| 21:34.48 | NeoTron | Cralor`: so.. what is the point of doing that exactly? You can just pay online as it is.. |
| 21:34.54 | NeoTron | buying it for a friend? |
| 21:34.58 | Dewin | exactly |
| 21:35.07 | Dewin | or wanting RAF to complete early. :) |
| 21:35.38 | Trixer | wait |
| 21:35.43 | Trixer | 30d GTCs.... |
| 21:35.46 | Trixer | woah nice |
| 21:35.47 | Silentspy | thx alot dewin |
| 21:35.49 | Dewin | Silentspy: get Progression from wowinterface and look in menu.lua, function PXP.Menu.ForBar |
| 21:36.06 | Silentspy | thx i look it up now |
| 21:37.03 | Cralor` | NeoTron: if you don't want to pay montly (maybe you play off and on? ) |
| 21:37.33 | Cralor` | NeoTron: or you have a low budget, so you don't want to do the monthly. and you do not want to go to the store for a card |
| 21:37.52 | Cralor` | i personally would not use it, but i thought it was kind of cool |
| 21:38.05 | Trixer | gift |
| 21:38.08 | Trixer | thats the biggest reason |
| 21:38.11 | Cralor` | yes |
| 21:38.33 | Corr-work | maybe i want to pop in and play for only 5 minutes, then go dormant again |
| 21:38.39 | NeoTron | gift is the only reason... not like you can't sign up online, pay one month and then cancel again |
| 21:38.40 | Silentspy | dewin, if i wanted to make one in xml |
| 21:38.40 | Corr-work | YOU DON'T KNOW ME |
| 21:38.50 | Cralor` | NeoTron, i guess |
| 21:38.55 | Corr-work | yes, other people's preferences are irrelevant |
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| 21:39.04 | Corr-work | THIS is the only reason because we declare it so to be |
| 21:39.30 | NeoTron | Corr-work: in this case, sure. unless the store has different payment options.. |
| 21:39.35 | Trixer | wtb tutorial for making xml frames |
| 21:39.51 | NeoTron | buying a card in a store is differnet, since it allows paying cash for example |
| 21:40.35 | Trixer | some people just dont feel comfy putting their credit card |
| 21:40.41 | Trixer | in anything that has the words "reoccuring" in it |
| 21:40.49 | Trixer | even if it has cancel right after it |
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| 22:00.47 | Ancarma | heeello |
| 22:01.12 | Ancarma | i got a problem with the WoWinterface topic of the week addon: AraBrokerXP |
| 22:02.19 | [dRaCo] | ~asktoask |
| 22:02.20 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 22:02.21 | [dRaCo] | ;) |
| 22:02.32 | [dRaCo] | I just love that trigger. |
| 22:03.18 | Ancarma | ok lol |
| 22:03.24 | Ancarma | when i install it, it doesnt show in game |
| 22:03.35 | Trixer | anyone use wowstudio? |
| 22:03.42 | [dRaCo] | of course it doesn't |
| 22:03.51 | [dRaCo] | you need a LDB addon |
| 22:03.53 | Cralor` | do you have a LibDataBroker display? |
| 22:03.57 | Ancarma | which one exactly? |
| 22:03.57 | [dRaCo] | like statsblockcore or something |
| 22:04.52 | Pneumatus | or fortress, or buttonbin, or titan panel, or fubar+broker2fubar |
| 22:04.59 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 22:05.02 | Cralor` | carousel |
| 22:05.06 | [dRaCo] | any of those will do |
| 22:05.19 | Ancarma | i dont like fubar and titan as they take up screen so i thought maybe i can get something else |
| 22:05.22 | [dRaCo] | comes down to personal preference, I guess |
| 22:05.23 | Trixer | what benifits does things like Ace2 bring to coding addons? |
| 22:05.45 | Pneumatus | these days, none |
| 22:06.03 | Pneumatus | as its outdated and superseeded by Ace3 |
| 22:06.08 | [dRaCo] | Trixer: they provide often-used functions so you dont have to code them yourself |
| 22:06.12 | Ancarma | which one do you recommend? as a fubar kind of thing? |
| 22:06.48 | Trixer | Ahh okies, I figured it was something like that. |
| 22:06.53 | Trixer | Is it worth learning it to start out or no? |
| 22:07.08 | [dRaCo] | If you want to code bigger addons, yes |
| 22:07.15 | [dRaCo] | if it's just something small, no |
| 22:07.22 | Trixer | *nods* ok |
| 22:07.42 | Trixer | Addon studio... anyone used it? Cause it looks sexah |
| 22:07.58 | [dRaCo] | not me |
| 22:08.11 | Trixer | Im downloading it right now |
| 22:08.14 | Trixer | im gonna try it out |
| 22:08.24 | Cralor` | Ancarma: try ButtonBind at wowinterface |
| 22:08.28 | Trixer | I use VS all day everyday, so being able to work in my realm would be nice |
| 22:08.30 | cladhaire | Its not perfect, but decent if you like the VS interface for writing code |
| 22:08.36 | Cralor` | s/ButtonBind/ButtonBin/ |
| 22:09.02 | Trixer | Clad: Yeah, I use VS for work, so this would make life easy for me. Plus the visual designer for the gui stuff really helps me. |
| 22:10.43 | Josh_Borke | the visual designer is good for learning |
| 22:10.45 | Ancarma | gah if i want to edit the XP thing i need to change the .lua! is there a way to edit the thing without having to restart WoW? |
| 22:10.52 | Josh_Borke | but if you want to write good XML you'll have to hand edit it |
| 22:11.15 | Cralor` | Ancarma: just edit the lua file and the do a Reload UI |
| 22:11.16 | Josh_Borke | Ancarma: you can check .lua code without restarting wow, just open it in an editor then save and type /console ReloadUI() |
| 22:11.28 | Ancarma | oh right |
| 22:11.29 | Ancarma | forgot |
| 22:11.30 | Ancarma | ty! |
| 22:11.32 | Josh_Borke | s/check/change/g |
| 22:12.10 | Trixer | Josh: Yeah, I would assume so, like all WYSIWYG editors, but at least it will get me by for now! |
| 22:14.13 | Trixer | Ive been spoilted by the .net IDEs so this will really help me stay in my element... |
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| 22:22.09 | zenzelezz | I don't care what anyone else says, I love the Sapphiron fight |
| 22:30.40 | Trixer | Is it possible for me to save things into a text file? |
| 22:31.44 | End | oh gg, I couldn't use any of my drake abilities in occulus |
| 22:32.40 | NightHawkTheSane | End: actionbar issues? |
| 22:32.43 | End | dunno |
| 22:32.46 | End | don't think so |
| 22:32.51 | End | I still had the gcd |
| 22:33.11 | End | I could fly around and hit my buttons and the gcd would come up |
| 22:33.16 | End | but the abilities wouldn't do anything |
| 22:33.17 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm |
| 22:33.25 | cbreak | Trixer: in a limited fashion |
| 22:33.45 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, a friend of mine had that problem when we did occulus, and i noticed something similar doing the bombing stuff in icecrown |
| 22:33.48 | cbreak | asuming you mean WoW's lua |
| 22:35.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer: saved variables are your only means of getting data in or out of the wow ui's sandbox, and those are only read/written on login, logout, and reloadui |
| 22:35.17 | End | so |
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| 22:38.38 | Trixer | the inbox functions can only be used at hte mailbox right? |
| 22:39.26 | Tem | aye |
| 22:40.03 | Trixer | so like I couldnt use something like GetInboxNumItems - Returns the number of mail items in currently in your inbox. |
| 22:40.25 | Tem | right |
| 22:40.32 | Tem | that info would only be available at the mailbox |
| 22:40.33 | Trixer | you know where im going with it |
| 22:41.30 | Trixer | Ok then is it possible for me to save data to a text file? |
| 22:41.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i already said. |
| 22:41.51 | cbreak | Trixer: in a limited fashion |
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| 22:42.12 | Tem | Trixer: what is your overall goal? |
| 22:42.17 | Tem | skip the techinical details |
| 22:42.23 | Tem | just tell me the feature you want to add |
| 22:42.24 | Trixer | I really am just thinking of little mods I could create via using commands |
| 22:42.28 | clad|sleep | "Tell me what you want to do.. not how you think you want to code it" |
| 22:42.33 | Trixer | lol |
| 22:42.44 | Tem | thanks clad |
| 22:42.44 | Trixer | I was thinking about just for a simple addon |
| 22:42.54 | clad|sleep | Trixer: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11101-Hack.html |
| 22:42.56 | Tem | you explain what I mean better than I can :) |
| 22:42.59 | Trixer | creating an addon that kept track of how much mail you had and who it was from |
| 22:43.02 | clad|sleep | look into it's "BagSearch" command, among other things |
| 22:43.13 | cbreak | Sanity2 does that |
| 22:43.22 | clad|sleep | its really nice for writing simple stupid addons, really |
| 22:43.26 | cbreak | sort of |
| 22:43.28 | Trixer | Im sure theres already an addon out there that does it |
| 22:43.28 | clad|sleep | and I can't live without /bs now. |
| 22:43.43 | Trixer | ok clad ill look into |
| 22:43.44 | Trixer | it |
| 22:44.05 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.19 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.19 | Trixer | wait BagSearch isnt built in is it? |
| 22:44.27 | Tem | l2combuctor imo |
| 22:44.37 | alestane | Shirik, Seerah, Cairenn, any WoWUI admin really: new Goose upload, I can notify a user once it's approved. |
| 22:44.52 | Cairenn | already been approved :p |
| 22:45.37 | alestane | Well, that was quick. |
| 22:45.43 | Trixer | but yeah |
| 22:45.54 | Trixer | I was figuring I could save presistant data about the users mailbox by using a textfile |
| 22:46.18 | [dRaCo] | directly, no |
| 22:46.30 | [dRaCo] | but using WoW's saved variables, yes |
| 22:46.36 | Trixer | ahh ok Ill look into that. |
| 22:46.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i swear i said that like 15 minutes ago. |
| 22:47.00 | Trixer | when these events fire do they provide you with any info about why they are firing? |
| 22:47.21 | Tem | www.wowwiki.com/Events |
| 22:47.23 | Trixer | Night: You probally did I was just zoned or focused on other stuff.. or just flat out didnt retain it. |
| 22:47.30 | Trixer | yes yes im looking there Tem. |
| 22:47.55 | Tem | if wowwiki doesn't say when or why the event fires, try to figure it out |
| 22:48.00 | Trixer | ohh wait |
| 22:48.03 | Tem | devtools can be a big help there |
| 22:48.06 | Tem | ~devtools |
| 22:48.07 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 22:48.09 | Trixer | yeah.. I see now |
| 22:48.23 | Tem | most things are pretty self-explanatory |
| 22:48.39 | Tem | there are a few WTF cases like TABARD_CANSAVE_CHANGED |
| 22:48.44 | Trixer | yeah |
| 22:48.47 | Tem | but generally the events are well-behaved |
| 22:48.55 | Trixer | awesome thanks a bunch Tem! |
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| 23:02.07 | Shirik|Ecole | hrm |
| 23:02.21 | Shirik|Ecole | (18:00:32) * Attempting to rejoin channel #<wowi's staff channel> |
| 23:02.21 | Shirik|Ecole | (18:00:43) - Topic: Canada now has color tv! |
| 23:02.21 | Shirik|Ecole | (18:00:43) - Set by Dolby on 24/11/2008 - 16:59:30 (1h 1m ago) |
| 23:02.24 | Shirik|Ecole | ^ awesome |
| 23:03.16 | WobWork | ... |
| 23:03.16 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 23:03.22 | WobWork | Shouldn't that be 'Colour'? =) |
| 23:03.48 | WobWork | I thought the canadians were more educated than the americans =) |
| 23:03.58 | Shirik|Ecole | That's why they know there isn't an extra 'u' there |
| 23:04.25 | foxlit | eh |
| 23:04.37 | WobWork | and by -that- definition, it says americans don't know not to use an extra 'u' =P |
| 23:05.03 | Shirik|Ecole | li23-154 jira # /etc/init.d/jira start |
| 23:05.03 | Shirik|Ecole | * Starting JIRA... ... |
| 23:05.03 | Shirik|Ecole | * Failed [ ok ] |
| 23:05.06 | Shirik|Ecole | failed [ok] ...? |
| 23:05.14 | End | ok |
| 23:05.15 | foxlit | I have a http://thottbot.com/i39117 |
| 23:05.16 | Shirik|Ecole | pick one -_- |
| 23:05.27 | WobWork | It wants validation |
| 23:05.30 | WobWork | it had a rough childhood |
| 23:05.42 | foxlit | Unequiping it changes my hit rating from 156 to 28 |
| 23:05.50 | foxlit | And the item has 64 hit rating. |
| 23:06.27 | WobWork | ...64 |
| 23:06.50 | WobWork | oh hm, no stats at all |
| 23:09.13 | foxlit | Admittedly, the axe probably has significantly better dps. |
| 23:09.24 | foxlit | But weapon skill is just such a pain. |
| 23:10.56 | KarlKFI | guildie picked up the axe off KT last night. I QQ'd cause I'm not 80 yet |
| 23:11.15 | KarlKFI | on their first kill too |
| 23:11.26 | KarlKFI | we'll prolly never see it again |
| 23:12.01 | Amarande | heh, I keep thinking Kael'thas there |
| 23:13.03 | KarlKFI | nah I've always abrev'd him as 'Kael' |
| 23:13.11 | foxlit | meh, Kael'thas was never KT :) |
| 23:13.30 | KarlKFI | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39417 |
| 23:14.04 | Shirik|Ecole | can someone please go to http://li23-154.members.linode.com:8001/ and tell me if they can get to that page? |
| 23:14.21 | Gngsk | how does one hide/show a frame in combat without causing taint? |
| 23:14.37 | kd3 | shirik; ya. seeing a user/login page |
| 23:14.40 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf |
| 23:14.57 | Shirik|Ecole | my network monitor is sending me alerts |
| 23:15.02 | Shirik|Ecole | CURRENT CHECK : San Jose : HTTP ERROR: 500 Can't connect to heresiarchguild.com:8001 (connect: Invalid argument) |
| 23:15.09 | Shirik|Ecole | (heresiarchguild.com being the same address) |
| 23:15.34 | cbreak | Gngsk: use the secure api. |
| 23:15.51 | cbreak | but in most cases, taint should be irrelevant |
| 23:15.57 | cbreak | your whole addon is tainted |
| 23:16.11 | Gngsk | well, if I just do :Show() and :Hide() it gets blocked |
| 23:16.27 | Amarande | you can't hide/show a frame in combat |
| 23:16.31 | Gngsk | i know |
| 23:16.32 | cbreak | that's normal for secure template frames |
| 23:16.41 | foxlit | s/a frame/a protected frame/ |
| 23:16.43 | cbreak | you can hide and show frames in combat |
| 23:16.50 | cbreak | without any problem, unless they are secure |
| 23:18.34 | KarlKFI | so... why is the highest dps weapon a wand? |
| 23:18.36 | KarlKFI | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42513 |
| 23:18.38 | KarlKFI | wtf |
| 23:18.44 | cbreak | why not? :) |
| 23:18.51 | cbreak | weapon dps is irelevant anyway |
| 23:18.55 | Codayus_ | That's kind of normal, actually. |
| 23:19.01 | End | Yeah, that is normal |
| 23:19.07 | End | wands get no bonus |
| 23:19.15 | alestane | Wands have high DPS because nothing boosts them. |
| 23:19.20 | End | ^ |
| 23:19.20 | KarlKFI | mmm, i spose |
| 23:19.22 | Codayus_ | Wands have always have really really high DPS to make up for the fact that they are unusable for DPS. :) |
| 23:19.23 | Amarande | 2030?! |
| 23:19.27 | Amarande | what was the requirement in S4? |
| 23:20.06 | End | shoulders were around that I think |
| 23:20.06 | Codayus_ | (Well, not unusuable. I mean, I used to keep a range of wands for DPSing trash in BWL...but um...yeah...) |
| 23:20.16 | Amarande | End: yeah, what's with the continual upping of it? |
| 23:20.23 | End | I dunno |
| 23:20.38 | Amarande | is Blizzard trying to move towards a stance of "if this was chess, you'd have to be in the league of Anand and Kramnik to have any season stuff worth having?" |
| 23:21.18 | Amarande | when -will- they realize that the esport BS is BS |
| 23:21.43 | KarlKFI | they feel that addicted players should be rewarded more so that they can more easily dominate other less addicted players |
| 23:21.59 | Amarande | basically, it would appear to me that |
| 23:22.03 | Amarande | once the first addicts get their 2030 and their stuff |
| 23:22.08 | End | well |
| 23:22.12 | Amarande | pretty much no one else is getting any of that stuff for the rest of the season |
| 23:22.18 | End | there's multiple tiers at least now |
| 23:22.31 | Amarande | because they'll be too outgeared to get to 2030 without continually being kicked down by the times they're matched -with- geared 2030+ teams? |
| 23:22.39 | NeoTron | I always thought it'd be cool to have a class that dpses using wands and special wand abilities etc |
| 23:23.04 | KarlKFI | so... like a real mage? |
| 23:23.23 | KarlKFI | or more like a hunter without a pet |
| 23:23.23 | NeoTron | define "real mage" |
| 23:23.23 | Codayus_ | Heh, it'd be...interesting. |
| 23:23.49 | KarlKFI | would you be able to duel weild wands? |
| 23:23.52 | NeoTron | in essence it'd be similar to spell casters |
| 23:23.56 | cbreak | duel? |
| 23:24.01 | cbreak | mages can already duel |
| 23:24.04 | NeoTron | but I'm thinking where the wand affects your spells - like the damage school |
| 23:24.06 | cbreak | and I also have a pet |
| 23:24.26 | KarlKFI | ~lart cbreak |
| 23:24.26 | purl | pours gasoline all over cbreak, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 23:25.05 | KarlKFI | aww what a waste of gas |
| 23:25.05 | cbreak | ~educate KarlKFI |
| 23:25.06 | purl | ACTION teaches KarlKFI the basics, including how to RTM. |
| 23:25.06 | WobWork | special wand abilities? |
| 23:25.06 | WobWork | "Stab opponent in the face with wand and let rip with fireball" |
| 23:25.06 | KarlKFI | ~whaleparry cbreak |
| 23:25.07 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry cbreak's attacks. |
| 23:25.07 | NeoTron | attacks that uses the wand, and I suppose, mana |
| 23:25.21 | Codayus_ | Would need a new mecahanic, where you had to manipulate the wand to cast spells, rather than use mana. |
| 23:25.25 | NeoTron | with damage dpending in part on the wands damage and school |
| 23:25.36 | WobWork | Codayus_: Swish and -flick-? =) |
| 23:25.42 | Codayus_ | For example, perhaps you'd need to rub the wand... |
| 23:25.43 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 23:25.53 | cbreak | wand gestures? |
| 23:25.58 | NeoTron | the main difference really would be if you could swap out the wand to do different damage types |
| 23:25.58 | Codayus_ | So you rub it faster and faster, up and down, and then it shoots stuff out the end. |
| 23:26.11 | WobWork | Codayus_: Causes nature damage =P |
| 23:26.17 | Codayus_ | This is clearly what Bliz should add in the next expansion. |
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| 23:26.50 | NeoTron | I thought hunters already got that attack... although it was nerfed away |
| 23:27.10 | WobWork | "Splort"? |
| 23:27.59 | mikma | BOOM HEADSHOT! |
| 23:28.07 | Amarande | e-Splort ... Blizzard's new idea for arenas |
| 23:28.27 | Codayus_ | Amarande: I hear there's a lot of money in that kind of stuff. |
| 23:28.31 | Shirik|Ecole | what is wrong with you guys |
| 23:28.42 | Codayus_ | Sort of an untapped market for Bliz I guess. |
| 23:29.23 | Amarande | Shirik: well, I'm seeing Blizzard ruining PvP gear to the point where to have any kind of fun, we're going to have to maintain an addiction to WoW in order to maintain working relationships with the kind of people who will get us either in highish end raid groups or 2030+ arena teams |
| 23:29.56 | WobWork | hm, I should just ignore duel requests =( |
| 23:29.59 | WobWork | I suck as a pvp dk |
| 23:30.01 | Amarande | basically, instead of having -fun- with WoW, we're going to be forced to take the game seriously unless our idea of 'fun' is 'having new ones ripped into us in new and interesting ways' |
| 23:30.02 | cbreak | pvp and fun don't mix |
| 23:30.08 | cbreak | pvp is just to get cheap gear for raids |
| 23:30.13 | WobWork | I have no keybinds set up =P |
| 23:30.15 | Shirik|Ecole | bs, I enjoy pvp usually |
| 23:30.33 | Amarande | cbreak: right, this is because the most insanely popular games in the industry are ones like the halo games and CS, which are obviously all about PvE, because PvP isn't fun :) |
| 23:30.38 | Codayus_ | Amarande: Chill. It's a bit early to say how things will shake down. Much depends on how much an advantage having 2030 gear will grant over people without. And in any case, the rating system should solve much of your concern. |
| 23:30.38 | KarlKFI | pvp is how I practice being angry, so that i don't lose the ability |
| 23:30.45 | WobWork | Also, I refuse to jump around in circles |
| 23:30.53 | WobWork | cause it looks like an idiot on crack |
| 23:30.59 | cbreak | Amarande: try being a mage in CS or Halo |
| 23:31.03 | cbreak | and say again that it's fun |
| 23:31.10 | Codayus_ | Also, comparing WoW to Halo, and saying this means WoW should be more like halo...is just about the stupidest argument I've ever heard. :( |
| 23:31.27 | WobWork | Arbiter: I wanna cast MAGIC MISSILE! |
| 23:31.48 | Amarande | nah, I'm saying that the popularity of Halo shows that it's important for PvP to be fun |
| 23:32.02 | Amarande | because the world's most popular games tend to be PvP oriented, and obviously are fun, or people wouldn't buy them :) |
| 23:32.05 | KarlKFI | WoW should be more like WoW, maybe that way they can again beat their world record sales numbers and largest user base of any game in history. |
| 23:32.08 | WobWork | pvp is srs bsnss |
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| 23:32.09 | Amarande | ergo. making PvP serious business = fail |
| 23:32.26 | Codayus_ | WoW *IS* one of the worls most popular games. That doesn't mean Halo should add the ability to fish. |
| 23:32.39 | Codayus_ | They're different games with different markets. |
| 23:32.44 | WobWork | Amarande: Well pvp in Halo and the like is fun because it's entirely skill based |
| 23:32.49 | cbreak | halo needs frostbolt. |
| 23:32.52 | Shirik|Ecole | you know, WoW was originally marketed as a PvP game |
| 23:32.56 | WobWork | ie, you have equal gearing with everyone else |
| 23:33.04 | Shirik|Ecole | I still have one of the original boxes that comment on its amazing new pvp style |
| 23:33.06 | Amarande | which is probably why PvP works so well in, say, Guild Wars |
| 23:33.07 | mikma | wobwork: serious bananas |
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| 23:33.17 | WobWork | once you bring premade gear into pvp, you set yourself up for imbalance |
| 23:33.55 | WobWork | WAR has managed pvp pretty well |
| 23:34.04 | Codayus_ | True... |
| 23:34.08 | WobWork | in that gear tends not to have much impact at lower levels at least |
| 23:34.24 | WobWork | and since they force the level grouping... |
| 23:34.33 | WobWork | although I don't know about end game pvp |
| 23:34.41 | Amarande | anyway, how does forcing people to be serious about the game help WoW? |
| 23:35.09 | WobWork | aside from the fact that in WAR, you -always- got wiped out by end bracket people in pvp |
| 23:35.20 | Amarande | It works fine for games like, say, the Shin Megami Tensei console series that's always prided itself on its challenging difficulty, since SMT games are solo endeavors that you can do at your pace |
| 23:35.50 | Amarande | It doesn't work so well for games like WoW, where in order to keep pace to the point that the players who are good enough that you want to be with them will want -you- with them, you need to treat it like a second job |
| 23:36.04 | KarlKFI | the seasons should restart more often in wow imo. |
| 23:36.21 | Amarande | Karl: that has its downside, unless you substantially reduce the cost of arena gear |
| 23:36.31 | WobWork | hehe |
| 23:36.38 | KarlKFI | why si that a downside? |
| 23:36.41 | Amarande | then the first few people to get gear really -would- be the only ones to get it |
| 23:36.48 | WobWork | "And now, we have Balinda, modelling the latest Summer season of PVP gear..." |
| 23:36.59 | KarlKFI | so don't upgrade the gear every round |
| 23:37.03 | Amarande | by the time other people get good enough, they don't have time to accumulate the points |
| 23:37.03 | WobWork | "Isn't she lovely folks?" |
| 23:37.07 | Codayus_ | Amarande: *shrug* Welcome to MMOs. Played long? It's always been like that on the PvE side. (And WoW is much LESS like that than most, and so far, is much LESS like that in Wrath than TBC.) |
| 23:37.24 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious |
| 23:37.29 | Amarande | Codayus_: actually, the PvE side seems to -need- less serious business |
| 23:37.42 | KarlKFI | you keep points accross season, save up one season and buy the next seasons |
| 23:37.47 | WobWork | Cairenn: even though the sound of it is something quite precocious? |
| 23:37.56 | KarlKFI | atm that's what people do anyway once they've maxed on the gear for a season |
| 23:37.58 | Amarande | it's always been pretty easy since BC except for a few speedbumps, it's the fact that people are rabid to progress ever faster that makes it too serious |
| 23:38.07 | Amarande | Wob: "atrocious" not "precocious" |
| 23:38.08 | Amarande | FAIL |
| 23:38.14 | WobWork | hehe |
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| 23:38.26 | WobWork | I was trying to remember the next line and had mental breakdowns due to that last word =) |
| 23:38.41 | Codayus_ | Amarande: Exactly. Which means it's...a lot like arenas. :) |
| 23:38.46 | WobWork | "No wait, I've already used that word!" |
| 23:38.57 | KarlKFI | and if you say it loud enough you'll always sound precocious |
| 23:39.06 | Lunessa | Supercalifragislitic? |
| 23:39.17 | WobWork | Supercalifragalisticexpialadocious! |
| 23:39.17 | KarlKFI | expialidoscous |
| 23:39.34 | Amarande | Codayus: the trouble with arenas is the uselessness of even accumulating the points unless you're serious enough to be able to maintain the rating |
| 23:39.38 | Amarande | it gets better and worse now |
| 23:39.38 | WobWork | dum diddle diddly dum diddle di |
| 23:39.48 | Amarande | better, because of the honor+arena split points gear |
| 23:39.58 | Amarande | worse, because now you not only have to be serious enough to maintain the rating, but you also have to fit into the culture |
| 23:40.10 | Amarande | because the team requirement part means you have to also -hang with- people who -also- maintain the rating |
| 23:40.14 | WobWork | arena is tttly srs bznss |
| 23:40.21 | KarlKFI | dum diddlidleidle um diddli, get it right |
| 23:40.31 | WobWork | well, ffs, -you- do it then |
| 23:40.32 | KarlKFI | gah |
| 23:40.42 | WobWork | geez |
| 23:40.49 | WobWork | Here I am trying to relive my childhood |
| 23:40.53 | WobWork | and you go and crap all over it =P |
| 23:41.27 | Kaelten | ~comfort WobWork |
| 23:41.28 | purl | There, there, WobWork. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:41.38 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:41.43 | KarlKFI | dum diddle idle idle um diddle iiiii (but those idles don't read right...) |
| 23:42.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (n=funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 23:42.08 | KarlKFI | iddle maybe? |
| 23:42.27 | Amarande | Cairenn, do you think WoW is getting to that dead point where you either have to play seriously or simply shelve every character once they hit 80 and max their profs? |
| 23:42.50 | WobWork | Well, that's what the xpacs are supposed to prevent |
| 23:43.01 | KarlKFI | how do you shelf a char AND max profs at the same time? |
| 23:43.04 | WobWork | they're just not coming out fast enough to maintain that lead |
| 23:43.17 | Codayus_ | Very much a question of expectations. If you want to do PvE and be in a Kara/Naxx/whatever guild, then obviously not. |
| 23:43.20 | Amarande | Karl: you max the level, grind out the last points in their profs, and then you mothball them till the next expansion |
| 23:43.34 | WobWork | that's not always a good idea though |
| 23:43.38 | KarlKFI | oh, depends on what you mean by serious |
| 23:43.40 | WobWork | due to combat changes and skill changes |
| 23:43.47 | WobWork | I have a number of mothballed chars |
| 23:43.53 | WobWork | that I don't know how to play anymore =( |
| 23:43.57 | Codayus_ | If you want to do PvE and be in a Sunwell/top 10 guild to kill boss X/Icecrown/whatever guild...yeah, probably? |
| 23:43.59 | KarlKFI | I've been playing the same character for 4 years |
| 23:44.07 | Codayus_ | Replace with Arena rankings as appropriate for PvP. |
| 23:44.21 | Amarande | and speaking of sunwell, I'm still trying to figure out why Beckett magazines bothered coming out with a sunwell guide in their current WoW guide issue LOL |
| 23:44.31 | Amarande | they went to the trouble to do character build guides that reflect 51 point talents and all that |
| 23:44.41 | Amarande | and then they made the pve guide about ... sunwell :| |
| 23:45.03 | alestane | Amarande: Depends. For some people, advancement is the reason they play the game. They don't find anything rewarding in playing someone who can't gain levels or get better at things. Other people want to get to level 60/70/80 because the PvP or raiding endgames are what they enjoy. |
| 23:45.28 | Codayus_ | And don't forget, so far entry level raiding is MUCH easier than it was in TBC. |
| 23:45.47 | Amarande | It could also be that this summer's raiding environment was especially unfriendly to the less serious player |
| 23:46.12 | Amarande | people who were getting into raiding were in an anxious rush to get through content before wotlk |
| 23:46.41 | Amarande | It comes to mind that the Naaru and A'dal titles were distinctly double edged there |
| 23:46.49 | Amarande | on the one hand, taking them away gives them meaning |
| 23:47.06 | Codayus_ | Not really TBC launched with raiding being REALLY hard, and has been slowly making stuff easier since. |
| 23:47.08 | Amarande | on the other hand, taking them away made people in a lot more of a content rush than they'd been if they were like 'ah well, we can still do this afterwards anyway' |
| 23:47.15 | Codayus_ | Pre-nerf Gruul was nuts. |
| 23:47.52 | WobWork | but fun |
| 23:47.54 | Amarande | I never got to see Gruul |
| 23:48.08 | Codayus_ | Amarande: Pre-nerf or at all? |
| 23:48.20 | Amarande | I saw essentially all of Kara, not sure if I ever saw Shade, but I know I saw the rest (other than Nightbane, which none of my kara groups had) |
| 23:48.43 | WobWork | I've seen -way- too much of Kara >< |
| 23:48.57 | Amarande | Codayus_: people were in a rush to progress at least T4 to completion because they wouldn't be able to get the Naaru title at all afterwards |
| 23:49.02 | Amarande | and T5 and parts of T6 similarly for A'dal |
| 23:49.18 | Amarande | here's the insult to injury too: even if you missed out on the titles |
| 23:49.38 | *** join/#wowuidev soufron (n=soufron@vol75-1-81-57-79-123.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 23:49.39 | Amarande | you STILL have to do most of the legwork anyway if you want the related achievements (SMV questing, Outland heroic and raid) |
| 23:49.52 | Codayus_ | Mmm, I think that proves my point then. |
| 23:50.14 | WobWork | Achievements are both terrible and good at the same time |
| 23:50.35 | WobWork | terrible because the majority of them don't -do- anything |
| 23:50.37 | Amarande | Yeah, achievements probably kept me from snagging an easy Gurubashi Arena trinket a few weeks ago :) |
| 23:50.45 | WobWork | and good, cause it caters to the OCD |
| 23:50.59 | WobWork | thus supplying Blizz with many many more months of subscriptions |
| 23:51.03 | Codayus_ | (Mind you, there's no real reason you couldn't have seen Gruul if you wanted to unles your server is REALLY weird. Even pre-3.0 there were constant pugs on most realms. And after 3.0, people were pugging everything...) |
| 23:51.06 | Amarande | If there wasn't an achievement tied to it, then there'd be no real point for 70's to do it |
| 23:51.06 | *** join/#wowuidev SNiLD (i=snild@nurmijarvi.net) |
| 23:51.20 | Amarande | and I'd probably have been able to just go in and snag it on my 40 shaman during zombie weekend when everyone was busy :) |
| 23:51.46 | Amarande | a character -for whom the trinket actually has some use-, mind you |
| 23:51.53 | WobWork | Codayus_: cause after 3.0 it didn't matter how scrub you were =P |
| 23:52.04 | Amarande | Gurubashi Arena really ought to have some retooling :) |
| 23:52.24 | Amarande | specifically, make the trinket for top level characters |
| 23:52.41 | Amarande | since let's face it, your chance to actually -get- the thing on characters it's meant for is about zero, zilch and nada. |
| 23:52.54 | tardmrr | http://www.bash.org/?244321 |
| 23:53.20 | Shirik|Ecole | Tem: Old bash is ooooooooolllllddddddddd |
| 23:53.23 | Codayus_ | Heh, I know one person with it; he's had it for years. ...he farmed it 60 thinking it would be useful in some raid fights. :) |
| 23:53.29 | Amarande | otoh, if you have a character who -can- get it, there's no point. (pvp trinket with five stam and no rezil lulz) |
| 23:54.23 | Tem | I setup an auto-replace for my passwords |
| 23:54.39 | Tem | so that when I accidently type "Tinmw0wAP" in irc, it gets corrected |
| 23:54.48 | Tem | well |
| 23:54.58 | Amarande | fail |
| 23:55.19 | cbreak | isn't that a bit short for a password? |
| 23:55.28 | Tem | eh |
| 23:55.37 | Tem | it's mutli-case and has a number |
| 23:55.39 | Corr-work | for IRC? |
| 23:55.41 | Tem | so it's good enough for me |
| 23:55.49 | Shirik|Ecole | (18:55:06) - [notice from NickServ]: Invalid password for Tem. |
| 23:55.50 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 23:55.58 | Tem | I'm too fast for you =P |
| 23:56.03 | mikma | why are we talking about your password =) |
| 23:56.31 | Shirik|Ecole | I wonder if anyone has ever made a password ******** |
| 23:56.38 | Tem | heh |
| 23:57.00 | Shirik|Ecole | I know what we can do |
| 23:57.04 | Shirik|Ecole | ~md5 ******** |
| 23:57.14 | Shirik|Ecole | !g 47c6b15aca93873f58522f26300d181d |
| 23:57.15 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: user_id|movie_id|title|plan_desc|center_shipped_from ... <http://www.listology.com/netflix_tracker_dump_history_complete_recs.cfm> |
| 23:57.16 | WobWork | cbreak:s/password/stormtrooper/ |
| 23:57.49 | Codayus_ | WobWork: lol |
| 23:57.51 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 23:57.55 | Shirik|Ecole | apparently their user ids are that |
| 23:58.44 | Tem | ~md5 password |
| 23:58.52 | cbreak | perfect passwords: dd if=/dev/random bs=512 count=1 | openssl base64 |
| 23:58.55 | Tem | !g 5f4dcc3b5aa765d61d8327deb882cf99 |
| 23:58.56 | batbot | Tem: CSV + Database - SWiK <http://swik.net/CSV+Database> |
| 23:59.02 | cbreak | (well, at least quite secure ones :) |
| 23:59.21 | mikma | ~rot13 Tem sucks |
| 23:59.21 | purl | Grz fhpxf |
| 23:59.28 | Tem | hah |
| 23:59.28 | Codayus_ | Hmmm |
| 23:59.36 | Shirik|Ecole | cbreak: I'll never get a password that way |
| 23:59.38 | Codayus_ | That returns over 4k results on google. |
