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| 00:09.19 | bleeter | hamster on a piano |
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| 00:24.06 | WobWork | eating popcorn |
| 00:24.10 | WobWork | onna piano |
| 00:24.29 | WobWork | bleeter: Did you see Mocha and his broccoli? =) |
| 00:26.00 | bleeter | WobWork: no, but thanks have now :) |
| 00:27.18 | WobWork | ^^ |
| 00:30.37 | Thunder_Child | you people are disturbing |
| 00:34.39 | bnovc | any of you guys on gorefiend? |
| 00:35.32 | Tem | killed him months ago, sorry |
| 00:36.05 | duaiwe | i dont expect anyone is actually "on" gorefiend right now |
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| 00:38.52 | Cralor` | Stumped here. I cannot get my checkbox to unlock my frames onclick. (http://wowuidev.pastey.net/102304/119:231) - highlighted |
| 00:43.01 | Cralor` | any ideas? :) |
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| 00:51.02 | zarvon | hello |
| 00:51.31 | bnovc | greetings |
| 00:51.44 | zarvon | is there by chance any curseforged web site admins in this channel? (i know its a long shot) |
| 00:54.57 | mikma | cralor`: IsCheched() == "true" then frame:StarMoving() .. ? ;) |
| 00:55.30 | Cralor` | oi ur spelling :P i will try that. thanks |
| 00:56.12 | mikma | btw i didnt look at your code coz its too damn slow to open with gprs |
| 00:56.27 | Cralor` | gprs? |
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| 00:56.44 | mikma | zarvon: ckknight and kaelten can prolly help you |
| 00:56.44 | Phyrax | CDT3.... can I reset the addon? |
| 00:56.55 | ckknight | already helping |
| 00:57.01 | mikma | ya, dataconnection over cellular phone |
| 00:57.37 | Phyrax | I have cooldowntimer 3.... can you reset the bars? |
| 00:57.54 | Cralor` | mikma: i had IsMouseEnabled() and EnableMouse / SetMovable |
| 00:59.50 | Cralor` | hey ckknight, is there any documentation on LibSimpleOptions? |
| 01:00.02 | ckknight | Cralor`: check the lua. It's completely luadoc'd |
| 01:00.16 | Cralor` | alrighty |
| 01:01.15 | Lunessa | http://notalwaysright.com/its-whats-for-dinner/1238 |
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| 01:10.39 | WobWork | =( |
| 01:10.44 | WobWork | I want to read those nar links |
| 01:10.52 | WobWork | but I know I've already read them =P |
| 01:12.03 | WobWork | http://j-walkblog.com/images2/sonystyle.jpg |
| 01:12.05 | WobWork | >< |
| 01:12.17 | WobWork | CREEPY WOMAN |
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| 01:18.10 | |Jelly| | 2| [Gondwana]: Ride yourself a sweet hog! [Engineering: Mechano-hog] now for sale! 16k with your titansteel, cobalt, and furs. The rest of the mats are NPC bought hence the price. PST and be one of the first to get this sweet ride! |
| 01:18.11 | |Jelly| | o.O |
| 01:18.52 | Corr-work | is... that misleading or something? |
| 01:19.45 | WobWork | perhaps he's offering "rides" |
| 01:20.13 | WobWork | "Sexy female NE need only apply to 'ride' in my 'sidecar o love'" |
| 01:20.44 | Corr-work | oooh yeah. |
| 01:22.28 | Corr-work | alright, heading home. fuck work, yee haw |
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| 01:29.06 | kd3 | failtastic. you reap what you sow is broken and that's all I have left in ZD |
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| 01:47.37 | |pez| | Hrm, this little kitchen weight of mine is horribly weird! :o |
| 01:47.44 | |pez| | I've had it for a year, and never actually used it. |
| 01:48.08 | |pez| | But since I've started counting my calories... I figured I should actually find it and put it up somewhere. |
| 01:48.13 | |pez| | and set it, and whatnot. |
| 01:50.27 | |pez| | oook... I think I did it right now XD |
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| 02:26.42 | Tem | Given two right triangles A and B. The legs of A are x_a and y_a, and the legs of B are x_b and y_b. |
| 02:27.35 | Tem | and the hypotenuse of A and B are h_a and h_b |
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| 02:27.56 | cbreak | what's a right triangle? |
| 02:27.57 | Tem | is it possible for x_a + y_a > x_b + x_b |
| 02:28.05 | Tem | while h_a < h_b |
| 02:28.49 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: a triangle with one 90° angle |
| 02:28.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: off the cuff, I'd say no, but i haven't worked it through |
| 02:29.02 | cbreak | and do you mean x_a + y_a > x_b + y_b? |
| 02:29.13 | Tem | yes |
| 02:29.14 | Tem | sorry |
| 02:29.53 | cbreak | well, z_a = sqrt(x_a^2 + y_a^2) |
| 02:29.58 | cbreak | same for _b |
| 02:30.26 | cbreak | hmm.. non linear equation system :/ |
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| 02:30.48 | batrick | solve it with inductive reasoning and it's easy tem |
| 02:31.04 | Tem | inductive what? |
| 02:31.11 | batrick | google it |
| 02:31.32 | Tem | sounds like you're telling me to do some proof stuff that has been lodged in the "never again" section of my brain |
| 02:31.54 | batrick | better move it to the once more again section then |
| 02:32.05 | Tem | I liked induction when it was current in my head |
| 02:32.09 | cbreak | inductive reasoning: set an anchor, set a replication rule |
| 02:32.18 | Tem | but remembering how to do it now is just ugh |
| 02:32.29 | cbreak | I think that at least :) |
| 02:33.45 | cbreak | I think it is possible |
| 02:33.52 | Tem | I'm thinking it is too |
| 02:33.54 | Tem | with values < 1 |
| 02:34.19 | cbreak | let's asume x_a is L, x_b is almost 0 |
| 02:34.30 | cbreak | that means h_a is a bit bigger than L |
| 02:34.57 | Tem | and h_b is almost y_b |
| 02:35.06 | Tem | (only slighly bigger) |
| 02:35.19 | cbreak | and for x_b and y_b we set L/2 |
| 02:35.26 | Esamynn|Work | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/DOLLARS-and-SENSE.aspx Oh Dear Lord, I think my brain has self destructed to escape the pain |
| 02:36.01 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 02:36.06 | batrick | nope lol |
| 02:36.24 | batrick | it is not possible |
| 02:36.26 | cbreak | I want a CAS! |
| 02:36.30 | batrick | no go do your proof boy |
| 02:36.38 | Tem | I don't need a proof |
| 02:36.45 | Tem | I just want to be sure that my logic is sound |
| 02:36.54 | Tem | I'm basically testing a couple line lengths |
| 02:37.02 | batrick | doing proofs is good ofr the soul |
| 02:37.08 | Tem | and I want to avoid doing the full calc for their lengths |
| 02:37.18 | Tem | I just need to know if one is longer than the other |
| 02:44.42 | Esamynn|Work | Tem: how about thinking about it this way: is it possible for x_a + y_a > x_b + y_b while x_a^2 + y_a^2 < x_b^2 + y_b^2 ? |
| 02:46.27 | Tem | Esamynn|Work, I really don't think it's possible |
| 02:46.39 | Tem | but I wanted to be sure |
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| 02:47.21 | Esamynn|Work | Tem: I'm just trying to provide an equivalent question that may be easier to solve |
| 02:47.31 | Tem | *nod* thanks |
| 02:49.23 | cbreak | four variables, two inequations :/ |
| 02:51.33 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 02:51.34 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 02:52.06 | cbreak | ~silence purl |
| 02:52.06 | purl | ACTION shoves an apple in purl's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 02:52.56 | Corrodias | ah, how many times i have seen this very scenario |
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| 02:59.00 | Kraps | question: vsync doesn't take effect if you use windowed? |
| 02:59.07 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, from which perspective? |
| 02:59.56 | Corrodias | i mean, seeing drawings of such... um... well, the internet has many opportunities, Thunder_Child, if you know where to look |
| 03:00.28 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, oh...i thought you meant part of |
| 03:00.44 | Corrodias | no, no, sadly... |
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| 03:04.38 | cogwheel | rawr |
| 03:07.21 | Kraps | is there a way to make wow not force to the computer framerate in windowed |
| 03:10.11 | Kraps | well? |
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| 03:14.52 | ddsmith | Anyone haveing trouble with the new server side macro dB, or is it just me? My macro changes are constantly overwritten by old versions, and the Blizz MacroUI code just looks bogus vis-a-vis Base + Count stuff... |
| 03:15.50 | Esamynn|Work | Kraps: meaning what exactly? |
| 03:17.01 | Kraps | in full screen you can turn off vsync to get a faster framerate, right? |
| 03:17.12 | ddsmith | Meaning two things: 1) My macros are being obverwritten w/ old copies... I change it and a while later it gets unchanged... |
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| 03:18.13 | ddsmith | 2) I looked at Blizzz MacroUI and it looks odd, to say the least... I don't want to elaborate in text here... |
| 03:18.15 | Arrowmaster | ddsmith: are you using more than one computer? |
| 03:18.37 | Kraps | how do you get the same effect in windowed? |
| 03:19.04 | Esamynn|Work | may not be possible |
| 03:19.18 | Arrowmaster | i dont have vsync on in windowed maximized mode |
| 03:19.25 | Arrowmaster | its probably your drivers forcing it on |
| 03:20.28 | ddsmith | No... never have. I found one problem and "fixed" it... A local macro cache was locked, possibly from a crash. I unlocked it and that seemed to fix a few things, but doesn't explain the odd code. I say ODD because I am not certain it is broken... Could be I just don't understand it yet. |
| 03:22.27 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: actually, its working now. i never realized theres a difference between fullscreen and windowed maximized O_O |
| 03:23.32 | Arrowmaster | ddsmith: the blizz macroui doesnt have any control over the local stuff afaik, its the actual game deciding which to load |
| 03:25.27 | ddsmith | The Blizz MacroUI has the code for the Macro editor, etc. that pops up when you click on "Game Menu" -> "Macros". |
| 03:26.25 | ddsmith | That code calls the kernel functions for saving and backing up the macros. |
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| 03:30.16 | Tem | um |
| 03:30.17 | Tem | http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_constraint=0&ic=48_0&search_query=personal+massager&Find.x=0&Find.y=0&Find=Find |
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| 03:30.26 | Tem | vibrator, vibrator, vibrator, TOOTHBRUSH? |
| 03:31.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: toothbrush.. WITH MASSAGER. *nod* |
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| 03:39.39 | mikma | bah, the DK slowmo-macro won't work anymore |
| 03:40.00 | kd3 | whee! |
| 03:40.06 | kd3 | grinding weapon skill on dragon eggs |
| 03:45.01 | Corrodias | UBRS ones? |
| 03:45.52 | Tem | OH |
| 03:45.53 | Tem | MY |
| 03:45.54 | Tem | GOD |
| 03:45.58 | Tem | I CANT BREATHE |
| 03:45.59 | Tem | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RMI-tvgBm4 |
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| 03:53.18 | kd3 | nah, sholazar |
| 03:54.24 | Thunder_Child | wow Tem |
| 03:54.50 | Tem | Thunder_Child, yeah I have no idea |
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| 03:59.52 | abyx | if i do something like myframe = CreateFrame("Frame"); and then set myframe = nil; will memory that for the created frame be freed up? |
| 04:00.17 | abyx | or will the frame exist in memory with no references to it? or wait to be garbage collected |
| 04:02.58 | ScytheBlade1 | frames cannot be destroyed |
| 04:03.10 | ScytheBlade1 | You can deference them but their memory will always be around (until a reload) |
| 04:05.25 | Esamynn|Work | abyx: even if the Lua table that represents the frame is garbage collected, it will still continue to exist |
| 04:07.01 | Arrowmaster | the table would still exist in that case though |
| 04:11.09 | |Jelly| | Any good places for a 75 pally to aoe grind? |
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| 04:13.13 | NightHawkTheSane | wherever you have quests? |
| 04:13.54 | Kraps | anyone here have a dell with the NVIDIA control panel? |
| 04:14.23 | |Jelly| | Note: I said aoe *grind* not quest |
| 04:15.32 | Kraps | i want to know if its possible to screw my pc up by changing settings there, and if theres a way to test settings first |
| 04:17.31 | |Jelly| | Probably and Probably. |
| 04:17.58 | Kraps | ok... |
| 04:18.00 | Corrodias | a Dell i do not have |
| 04:18.25 | Kraps | no one has an XPS? |
| 04:21.25 | |Jelly| | I have a Dell ... with an aftermarket Nvidia card which installed the Control Panel and yes, if you adjust the GPU settings, you can mess up your video card. |
| 04:22.01 | Kraps | is there a way to test them? |
| 04:22.29 | |Jelly| | Not sure |
| 04:23.02 | Corrodias | how did Dell screw that up? |
| 04:23.05 | |Jelly| | Are you looking to make a huge jump or something? Generally speaking, you OC a little at a time and text in between. If you get artifacting, you back it off some. *shrug* |
| 04:23.41 | Corrodias | overclocking is only one thing you can do on the CP |
| 04:24.21 | Kraps | you can change the color of the chassis lights |
| 04:24.26 | Kraps | (ahem) |
| 04:27.34 | Kraps | another thing: if i make the shadow setting in-game higher than mob shadows, the terrain flickers |
| 04:28.50 | Kraps | which is sad |
| 04:29.08 | Kraps | thats why i want to try OCing |
| 04:29.46 | Arrowmaster | doubt it will help |
| 04:32.13 | Kraps | its totally on blizz how many cores wow uses? |
| 04:34.13 | Corrodias | FIFTY |
| 04:34.46 | Corrodias | cores of what? your GPU? is yours multicore/SLI? or do you mean CPU? |
| 04:35.10 | Kraps | both |
| 04:35.40 | Corrodias | wha.. |
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| 04:35.50 | Kraps | well, not sli cuz i dont have 2 monitors |
| 04:35.57 | Kraps | the cpu |
| 04:36.40 | Corrodias | WHA |
| 04:36.59 | Kraps | heh ok |
| 04:37.17 | Kraps | i have a quad core, the game uses 2 |
| 04:37.31 | kd3 | I wish it'd use 2. I'm only seeing 1 core use here |
| 04:37.48 | Arrowmaster | its a cvar you can change |
| 04:37.58 | Corrodias | when you said "both", that wasn't a valid answer to my multiple questions, and SLI doesn't care ahow many monitors you have |
| 04:38.04 | Corrodias | but i couldn't type this because i was watching an unpausable intro to a game |
| 04:38.06 | kd3 | SET coresDetected "4" |
| 04:38.21 | Kraps | at least, i'm seeing activity on 2 |
| 04:38.38 | Iriel | If I was an outland inscription trainer, where would I be? |
| 04:38.42 | Corrodias | i wouldn't expect it to go over 2 |
| 04:38.52 | kd3 | iriel; hellfire. main faction's base |
| 04:38.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: thrall/hh |
| 04:38.58 | Hirsute | Iriel: Aldor's tier? |
| 04:39.04 | Hirsute | Or what they said. |
| 04:39.10 | Kraps | Corrodias: what exactly is sli? |
| 04:39.15 | Iriel | meh, Ihave no time for the aldor |
| 04:39.22 | Thrae | You might be able to set WoW to detect over 2 cores, but it doesn't have enough main threads to support over 2. |
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| 04:39.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: in thrallmar it's in the same building as the herb/alch trainers, on the second floor |
| 04:39.55 | Kraps | Thrae: so its blizzards coding that decides |
| 04:39.58 | Corrodias | SLI is NVIDIA's technology for using multiple video cards on a single display, to increase performance by around 80%. they acquired it when they bought 3dfx. |
| 04:40.22 | Arrowmaster | except its completely driver dependent |
| 04:40.27 | Iriel | and it's flaky |
| 04:40.29 | Iriel | and sucks |
| 04:40.35 | Corrodias | i do not trust SLI and don't use it |
| 04:40.36 | Iriel | though I suppose on-card SLI isn't so bad |
| 04:40.51 | Iriel | My foray into SLI ended up with me having a spare video card |
| 04:40.56 | Thrae | Iriel: Not as badly as you might think since the 9000 series |
| 04:40.56 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt really call that sli though |
| 04:40.58 | Kraps | whats wrong? |
| 04:41.02 | Arrowmaster | unless its still driver dependent |
| 04:41.08 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: It's still driver dependant. |
| 04:41.14 | Arrowmaster | sigh |
| 04:41.22 | Arrowmaster | so yeah i guess that is SLI |
| 04:41.30 | Iriel | Thrae: This was with the 7000 series, so they may have 'fixed' it since then |
| 04:41.36 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Just like ATI's x2 are Crossfire, which is also driver dependant. |
| 04:41.42 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 04:41.48 | Arrowmaster | the entire thing is a gimick to me |
| 04:42.00 | Kraps | what exactly is the problem with sli? |
| 04:42.00 | Arrowmaster | since it only works if the drivers support the game |
| 04:42.08 | Arrowmaster | its shit |
| 04:42.11 | Arrowmaster | and a gimick |
| 04:42.24 | Thrae | Iriel: Yeah, the 8000 series started a vast, vast improvement with SLI hardware and software. |
| 04:42.56 | Arrowmaster | and leaves every new motherboard with such a shitty sellection of pci-e slots that they are almost unusable |
| 04:42.58 | Corrodias | i don't know that there's anything specifically wrong with SLI these days, but i don't want to be locked into nvidia chipset motherboards for one thing |
| 04:43.02 | Iriel | Yay, Master Scribe |
| 04:43.17 | Corrodias | and i'd never buy two video cards, that's just too expensive for me |
| 04:43.25 | Arrowmaster | well the x58 chipset is suppost to support both sli and crossfire |
| 04:43.29 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Not exactly. The game does have to support modern display techniques, which most do. Almost all new games that need it support it. |
| 04:43.33 | Kraps | so does a game automaticly use sli, or is it a setting? |
| 04:43.47 | Thrae | Corrodias: Have no fear, all new Intel chipsets support SLI (X58 and up). |
| 04:43.47 | Arrowmaster | its entirely driver dependent |
| 04:43.55 | Arrowmaster | the drivers have to detect and support the game |
| 04:44.00 | Corrodias | well, that's cool |
| 04:44.39 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: how would i know either way? |
| 04:44.51 | Arrowmaster | you wouldnt if you are asking these questions |
| 04:44.57 | Arrowmaster | thus the reason i called it a gimick |
| 04:44.58 | Kraps | :) |
| 04:45.22 | Arrowmaster | most people dont know shit about it and just think 'omg 1 + 1 = 2! its twice the graphics power!' |
| 04:45.38 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Right, but you're making it sound like there's a specific technique for each game, which there's not. There are different SLI techniques which have better compatibility with different games (especially OpenGL), but most modern DirectX games just use the default (SPR). |
| 04:45.59 | Thrae | I do agree people shouldn't think it's 1+1=2x |
| 04:46.25 | Arrowmaster | no but im saying that the drivers have to actually detect that a game is running still right? and switch into sli mode |
| 04:46.27 | Thrae | But for games that are heavy on GPU utilization, it does provide a huge boost, and can be more cost effective if you have the right cards. |
| 04:47.05 | Arrowmaster | i havent exactly kept current with it since the last time i looked at it i was so appaled |
| 04:47.08 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: When's the last time you used SLI? You manually turn SLI on and off. It's not dynamic. |
| 04:47.20 | Arrowmaster | used? never |
| 04:47.44 | Arrowmaster | how the hell do you manually turn it on and off? |
| 04:47.44 | Thrae | OK, so maybe me who actually tested video chipsets for a living might know more about this then you ;) |
| 04:47.57 | Kraps | cool |
| 04:48.03 | Thrae | Nvidia's Control Panel turns the driver support off and on. It used to require a reboot, but usually doesn't. |
| 04:48.28 | Kraps | i see the on/off thing |
| 04:48.31 | Thrae | Some Vista setups require a reboot because Vista is all DirectX-accelerated. |
| 04:49.49 | Kraps | if i turned it off, would i see a difference in wow? |
| 04:49.53 | Arrowmaster | last time i looked at it, the drivers/control panel needed to recognize the game and know a little about it to enable sli with the proper settings, and when new games came out people where posting info about how to add the games to enable sli before new official drivers came out with the new info |
| 04:50.16 | Thrae | The thing most people don't understand is that SLI only shares GPU, and not memory. GPU and memory are really 50/50 on how most games utilize them, so you're really increasing your power by more like 60% then 100%. |
| 04:50.42 | Thrae | Kraps: Depends on your settings in WoW, but if you have VSync turned off, then yes you'll see the average FPS drop. |
| 04:50.47 | Arrowmaster | the memory is actually more important than the gpu at times |
| 04:50.57 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: "at times" |
| 04:51.16 | Kraps | "you'll see the average FPS drop" if its off? |
| 04:51.19 | Thrae | I'm just approximating, there are a lot of physics-heavy and shader-heavy games out now. |
| 04:51.33 | Arrowmaster | take a look at all consoles with their shared memory and powerful processors and wonder whats holding back game devs |
| 04:52.32 | Thrae | Kraps: For how much SLI is actually being utilized, you can go to "Set SLI" in the Nvidia Control Panel, go to the menu at the top (File, etc.) and select "3D Settings" then "Show SLI Visual Indicator". This is an approximation of how much work both GPUs are doing. The top one is usually GPU 0 while the bottom is GPU 1. |
| 04:53.00 | Thrae | Kraps: This shows up as a bar on the left in-game, it's an overlay. |
| 04:54.56 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: ATI sucking is what's holding back PC game developers. Nvidia needs a kick in the butt to actually develop hardware like ATI while keeping their high driver compatibility and stability. I think Windows 7 will help change this, as it's actually being written with gamers in mind as a good part of the userbase, unlike all the other Microsoft OSes. |
| 04:56.25 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: The Nvidia 8800 series cards were miles ahead with both hardware and software compatibility and stability. So they just re-released them as 9xxx series with a tiny bit of an upgrade, and now I don't know what the hell they're doing with the 120nm cards (seems P4 like to try and push it like this). |
| 04:56.42 | Kraps | looks like the're mostly even Thrae |
| 04:56.42 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, hahahahahah thats what they said about vista |
| 04:56.44 | Arrowmaster | grr stupid questions on my final making me look stuff up in the book because even though it should be an easy question i know more about the subject than its expecting |
| 04:57.02 | Thunder_Child | vista was supposed to be an OS for Gamers |
| 04:57.24 | Arrowmaster | from what ive seen windows7 isnt much of a change from vista |
| 04:57.32 | Hirsute | Kraps: Yes, you'll see FPS drop if VSync is off. If VSync is on, your FPS are being gimped already. |
| 04:58.11 | Arrowmaster | depending on the fps you get though, it may be so high that its better to keep vsync on |
| 04:58.18 | Iriel | I hate life without vsync |
| 04:58.31 | Iriel | my only complaint about fallout 3 on xbox |
| 04:58.42 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: On the other hand, Nvidia also granted CUDA support to all G80 chipsets and derivatives, and I think CUDA will become more and more important over the next year. It allows you to use any modern Nvidia card (including 6 and 7 series cards) just for physics processing, meaning you could seriously increase your overall physics capabilities just by sticking in an extra $20 card. |
| 04:58.54 | Hirsute | I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just that if he had SLI turned on, and VSync turned on, then turned SLI off, he probably wouldn't see an FPS drop. |
| 04:59.40 | Iriel | one would hope he'd notice, otherwise that's a terrible waste of GPU capacity |
| 05:00.33 | Hirsute | Iriel: Not if VSync is on, because Vsync caps your framerate. |
| 05:00.36 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: i didnt notice any tearing with fallout3 on xbox, although i could tell the fps was a little limited due to it being on a console and all with the seriously gimped amount of memory available |
| 05:00.59 | Iriel | my point is that the only reason to have SLI is so you can increase the QUALITY and maintain your monitor's framerate |
| 05:01.25 | Arrowmaster | vsync tends to cause more problems on consoles since the fps does spike so it will cause it to go lower than desirable |
| 05:01.41 | Iriel | if you've got no problems hitting your vsync framerate you dont need a second GPU |
| 05:02.02 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: It's not always too noticable, but some environments it's much more noticable |
| 05:03.10 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: That's partially true. Since its inception, DirectX's API has always been a messy hack, especially DirectX 8 and then worse with DirectX 9. With DirectX 10, the API has been far, far improved and modernized. The entire Vista API and code has moved away from the "hack" stage to the "professional coding standards" stage. This is the reason why Windows 7 uses most of the Vista kernel, and it has a high driver ... |
| 05:03.11 | Arrowmaster | i cant remember which but i know i have a console game that they specificly added an option to enable/disable vsync because of complaints |
| 05:03.17 | Thrae | ... compatibility with Vista. The main problem with Vista was not its kernel nor its API, but the high-resource Window Theme and all the services packaged into the distribution. |
| 05:03.58 | Arrowmaster | my main issue with vista is all the drm crap.... |
| 05:04.53 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, they could have, and still can mount DX10 onto XP |
| 05:05.18 | Corrodias | indeed... fortunately, openal gets around directsound there, i think |
| 05:05.20 | Arrowmaster | and they could have released halo2 pc version for xp too without dx10, but did they |
| 05:05.47 | Thunder_Child | well obviously they want the money, but to say that "vista" is a gaming OS is BS |
| 05:06.02 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Not really, since XP's kernel and API is a very messy hack and contains so many security and compatibility problems. They fixed most of that with Vista, which is why its overall less compatible with older programs then XP was with 9x. |
| 05:07.00 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: I really didn't see them pushing for Vista as a Gaming OS except standard marketing crap. They pushed XP as a gaming OS at the time too as they were renovating DirectX. |
| 05:07.32 | Corrodias | i like how they released monthly updates to directx 9.0c, as if they were afraid of pushing the version number any higher |
| 05:07.39 | Corrodias | what the hell was up with that? |
| 05:07.52 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 05:07.54 | Kraps | lol |
| 05:08.05 | Thrae | Corrodias: At least it's finally back to "Windows 7"...some of Microsoft's versioning is weird |
| 05:08.10 | Kraps | i downloaded them religiously |
| 05:08.21 | Corrodias | in C they even added new features, but they didn't dare call it 9.1 it seems |
| 05:08.50 | Corrodias | they've always had their codenames, release names, and version numbers. XP is 5.1, 2000 was 5.0, 2003 is 5.2. i should check out 2008, since i'm running it. |
| 05:09.21 | Thrae | Corrodias: Yeah, but I mean calling the OS something that makes sense. |
| 05:09.39 | Corrodias | indeed, i hope they just stick with numbers instead of "codenames". whistler... eww. |
| 05:09.52 | Kraps | "The reason why SLi is not supported on WoW is that there's no SLi profile for the game. It's quite possible that they deemed there would be no increase in performance or not enough to justify it (remember, not all games gain significant increases from SLi... in the beginning, some games actually did worse :P). " |
| 05:09.55 | Corrodias | the version number isn't in the same spot in vista/2k8 >:/ |
| 05:10.16 | Corrodias | sigh, i'm sure it's in the registry or something |
| 05:10.33 | Arrowmaster | they will probably start doing it like apple, and let people know the number way before its out but not say what the code name is for a while |
| 05:10.35 | Thrae | With Windows Vista, if you replace Explorer, it's not really Windows Vista anymore. But if you do the same with Windows 7, it's still Windows 7 since that's what the kernel is. |
| 05:10.37 | Tem | oh shit! |
| 05:10.40 | Tem | it's thursday! |
| 05:10.42 | NightHawkTheSane | "Well maybe congress could put through a special appropriation?" "How long would that take?" "Three months." "And if it was an emergency?" "... Four months." |
| 05:10.45 | Tem | that means tomorrow is friday |
| 05:10.47 | Tem | fuck yeah! |
| 05:11.05 | Corrodias | YEAH! |
| 05:11.19 | Thrae | Kraps: Don't know where you're quoting it from, but I can confirm for you as a professional tester that SLI has worked and worked well with WoW for over two years. I used to have a SLI 6600 GT setup myself a while back. |
| 05:11.23 | Arrowmaster | its already friday here, and im working on my final due today |
| 05:11.33 | Corrodias | i can't be bothered to find the version number >_> |
| 05:12.08 | Kraps | err.. sorry, its from a February forum post |
| 05:12.29 | Thrae | If that post is 2008, then the poster doesn't know what they're talking about. |
| 05:12.42 | Thrae | If you want to see if a game uses SLI, turn on the SLI Visual Indicators like I told you about. |
| 05:12.51 | Kraps | yeah |
| 05:14.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: a forum poster on the internet not knowing what they're talking about? PERPOSTEROUS! |
| 05:14.22 | Kraps | they were also bitching about blizz nerfing the sound hardware |
| 05:14.28 | NightHawkTheSane | preposterous* |
| 05:14.41 | Kraps | a blue wtfpwnd him |
| 05:14.43 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: http://xkcd.com/386/ |
| 05:15.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: indeed. |
| 05:16.05 | Arrowmaster | lol when they changed what they used for sound during the patch that added voice comms? and in the process some guys from here ended up finding a major sound bug in the library that when it was fixed caused tons of games to start working with sound in wine? |
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| 05:18.05 | Kraps | so vsync off = not necessary? |
| 05:19.11 | Corrodias | that sounds very familiar, Arrowmaster |
| 05:19.48 | Kraps | "I get anywhere from 100 - 200 fps (depending on the area) and I've got a intel 3.0 Ghz dual core" |
| 05:19.52 | Corrodias | i say this not so much to indicate that you may not be a filthy liar, but more to draw whorish attention to the fact that i have half-recognized what somebody's talking about. |
| 05:19.54 | Kraps | holy crap! |
| 05:20.40 | Arrowmaster | i can get 100fps too.... |
| 05:20.46 | bleeter | SHAAARRRROONNNN!!!!! |
| 05:20.54 | bleeter | lololol |
| 05:21.02 | Kraps | whatcha got Arrowmaster ? |
| 05:21.17 | Arrowmaster | you dont want to know |
| 05:21.26 | Kraps | oh ya |
| 05:21.33 | Kraps | custom? |
| 05:22.15 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:22.16 | Arrowmaster | and old |
| 05:22.33 | Kraps | how "old"? |
| 05:22.39 | bleeter | i've been the prince of darkness since 1979... hahaha |
| 05:22.49 | bleeter | that's such a winning ad, just gotta watch it again and again |
| 05:23.56 | Kraps | c'mon Arrowmaster |
| 05:24.09 | Arrowmaster | like 5+ years old |
| 05:24.43 | Kraps | show your spec |
| 05:25.04 | Kraps | arcane? |
| 05:25.06 | Kraps | "p |
| 05:25.11 | Kraps | :p |
| 05:26.17 | Arrowmaster | athlon xp 3000+ 2.1ghz, x800xtpe |
| 05:27.18 | Kraps | err.. thing is, idk what to compare that to |
| 05:28.16 | Kraps | card looks nice |
| 05:28.34 | Arrowmaster | it was fairly top end back then when i built it, although my friends was much better but he was using a P4EE worth over $1000 he got for free |
| 05:29.11 | Kraps | ram? |
| 05:29.21 | Kraps | os? |
| 05:29.39 | Arrowmaster | mine is 1gig dual channel ddr1 400mhz 2-2-3-5 timings |
| 05:29.40 | Corrodias | you can ram me any time <3 |
| 05:30.22 | Kraps | "2-2-3-5 timings" is foreign to me |
| 05:30.49 | Arrowmaster | latency measurements |
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| 05:31.21 | Kraps | mmm |
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| 05:31.55 | Arrowmaster | ~lart Tain |
| 05:31.55 | purl | shoots Tain in his sleep |
| 05:32.50 | Tain | purl always knows the right thing to do. |
| 05:34.16 | Kraps | whats the sysinfo exe? |
| 05:34.34 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.36 | Kraps | no |
| 05:38.13 | Gngsk | msc? |
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| 05:39.08 | Kraps | no |
| 05:41.00 | WobWork | .nfo |
| 05:41.59 | Kraps | no |
| 05:42.06 | WobWork | what are you looking for? |
| 05:42.52 | mikma | wobwork: hey, you. didn't you talk about slow-mo death grip? |
| 05:42.55 | Kraps | the thing that shows your system info |
| 05:43.10 | Arrowmaster | win+pause |
| 05:44.02 | Kraps | no, that one fails |
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| 05:44.17 | Kraps | meybe it was an XP thing |
| 05:45.11 | Kraps | anyway |
| 05:45.32 | Kraps | what movies are you gonna go to this weekend? |
| 05:45.48 | WobWork | mikma: I'd heard of it |
| 05:45.52 | WobWork | nothing I've tried yet |
| 05:47.28 | Kraps | " I really hope if I go the theaters this weekend to see Twilighters crying from disappointment, nothing would make me happier this weekend." |
| 05:47.36 | Kraps | ...wut? |
| 05:47.39 | mikma | wobwork: i can't get it to work, booo :( |
| 05:48.06 | WobWork | Kraps: rofl |
| 05:48.16 | WobWork | I'd stand outside with a bag full of glitter |
| 05:48.22 | WobWork | or maybe a dumptruck full |
| 05:48.51 | WobWork | mikma: afaik, it's chains of ice, then deathgrief |
| 05:48.58 | WobWork | but since you have to be in range for CoI |
| 05:49.06 | WobWork | I don't know how far it can pull from |
| 05:51.12 | Kraps | &endash |
| 05:51.17 | Kraps | lol |
| 05:51.44 | Kraps | in the nvidia help file |
| 05:51.58 | WobWork | Kraps: "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\MSInfo\msinfo32.exe" |
| 05:52.12 | WobWork | that's on xp |
| 05:52.37 | Kraps | yep thanks! |
| 06:00.56 | Kraps | Miley Cyrus has such a weird voice |
| 06:01.06 | Kraps | she-man |
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| 06:07.28 | Daede | Would it be possible to use an addon to switch into aspect of the viper when you leave combat and into aspect of the dragonhawk when you enter combat? |
| 06:07.36 | WobWork | nyet |
| 06:07.39 | WobWork | it'd need a buttonpress |
| 06:07.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 06:07.57 | Daede | but you can change tracking without a buttonpress, right? |
| 06:08.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Tracking, yes |
| 06:08.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That isn't secured |
| 06:08.13 | Daede | thats silly |
| 06:08.16 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 06:08.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Tracking has zero effect on your character |
| 06:08.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Aspects do |
| 06:08.31 | Daede | does now |
| 06:08.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh? |
| 06:08.37 | Daede | improved tracking.. |
| 06:08.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Does? |
| 06:08.55 | batrick | AHHH |
| 06:08.57 | Daede | yeah damage is increased against whatever is being tracked |
| 06:09.17 | WobWork | is there an addon that flips tracking every few seconds? =) |
| 06:09.20 | Kraps | anyone have an ETA when atlasmaps will have northrend? |
| 06:09.23 | Daede | yeah |
| 06:09.31 | WobWork | what's it called? |
| 06:09.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Then we can probably expect tracking to be secured sooner or later |
| 06:09.34 | Daede | search curse for autotrack |
| 06:10.48 | Daede | ah well damn i was hoping that could be done |
| 06:11.05 | Daede | would be nice to not have to toggle viper myself |
| 06:11.13 | Daede | thanks |
| 06:11.26 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, god forbid you actually play the game |
| 06:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 06:11.34 | Kraps | autotrack seems like a hack then |
| 06:11.44 | WobWork | oh |
| 06:11.57 | WobWork | no that woiuld work on click |
| 06:12.02 | WobWork | or targetchanged |
| 06:12.05 | WobWork | or something |
| 06:12.10 | WobWork | I was hoping for a herb/mining one |
| 06:15.56 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: /castsequence Find Herbs, Find Minerals |
| 06:23.05 | Tekkub | "King's on her friend" Worf is such a perv |
| 06:23.12 | Tekkub | I need to get the fuck out of SW |
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| 06:34.40 | Lyn | muahaha... everything cold, snowy and icy.. no uni today for me :O |
| 06:34.48 | mikma | wobwork: meh, i made a kitty/other form trackerchanger :P |
| 06:34.59 | Tekkub | SOunds wonderful *sigh* |
| 06:35.12 | Lyn | yep :) |
| 06:35.22 | mikma | so germany is treating you well |
| 06:35.29 | Lyn | amusing is.. when i go.. i would be there when lecture ends |
| 06:35.31 | Tekkub | it RAINED last night, then dropped below freezing |
| 06:35.37 | Lyn | YES! I CAN LVL MY DK! |
| 06:35.37 | mikma | looks like it's snowing slightly here too |
| 06:35.38 | Tekkub | WTF? it snows here, not ices |
| 06:35.45 | Lyn | :) |
| 06:35.54 | Lyn | 77 inc! |
| 06:36.11 | Lyn | let it snow.. let it snow.. let it snow *sings* |
| 06:36.46 | mikma | hmm |
| 06:36.52 | mikma | Die Hard 2 |
| 06:36.59 | Tekkub | so we were at wally tonight and we almost bought a xmas tree |
| 06:37.05 | Tekkub | we don't really do xmas... |
| 06:37.26 | Tekkub | we just wanted to get the giant ornaments so we could have a tree with HUGE balls |
| 06:37.28 | Lyn | mikma, whats with die hard? :O |
| 06:37.33 | Lyn | xD |
| 06:37.54 | mikma | lyn: the movie has that song in it |
| 06:37.58 | Lyn | yes! |
| 06:38.00 | Lyn | :) |
| 06:38.55 | Lyn | uh nice, we have wintergrasp, means 5% more xp!1 |
| 06:39.03 | Lyn | i am such a lucky guy today *g* |
| 06:39.08 | Tekkub | we also found, way back in the corner of garden center-turned-xmas shit... one little 4' section with Chanukkah stuff |
| 06:39.15 | Tekkub | and it was rather sparse at that |
| 06:39.36 | Lyn | oO |
| 06:41.52 | Arrowmaster | oh boy this is fun, working on my final and one of these questions asked about info thats not in the book, or atleast the info in the book was incorrect and not a choice, so i just looked it up in the man page |
| 06:42.02 | Arrowmaster | doubt many others will get it |
| 06:45.25 | cogwheel | our basement cat smells like brimstone... |
| 06:45.28 | cogwheel | she has prescription anti-itch shampoo with sulfur as an active ingredient |
| 06:46.08 | Amarande | hmm, more 80s are flowing in |
| 06:46.26 | Amarande | I wonder how long people have to get to 80 before the main raid groups of this year will be full |
| 06:47.00 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, it's far too late for that |
| 06:47.11 | Tekkub | cogwheel, I found a huge chunk of fur under my chair tonight |
| 06:47.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean let's face it, if you weren't in a solid raid group for MC, you're fucked. |
| 06:47.26 | Tekkub | I must have run Fuxx over, but he never yelped... |
| 06:47.40 | Tekkub | and he doesn't *appear* to be missing any fur |
| 06:47.43 | Tekkub | that's the scary part |
| 06:49.43 | cogwheel | it's amazing how much hair you can pull off a cat without leaving any noticeable lack of hair |
| 06:49.58 | Amarande | heh. that reminds me |
| 06:50.03 | Amarande | I might need to find a good MC group eventually |
| 06:50.03 | Tekkub | that sounds like an experiment proposal... |
| 06:50.24 | Amarande | because five rep at a time from elementals in silithus might make me extremely rich in the end, but also madder than a hatter |
| 06:50.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ... and, at the same time you can see if there really is more than one way to skin a cat |
| 06:50.40 | Arrowmaster | and it also stops at like honored |
| 06:50.55 | Tekkub | quiet you, we already had the skinning cats in china discussion |
| 06:51.06 | Amarande | Night: of course there's not. you have to right-click it with a skinning knife in your inventory, and have skinning of at least five times said cat's level. :) |
| 06:52.07 | NightHawkTheSane | skinning cats.. in china? i thinkk i missed that one |
| 06:52.44 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, technically there are multiple items which can act like skinning knives :) |
| 06:52.50 | Tekkub | be glad you did, it was very DEHTA-ish |
| 06:54.00 | Amarande | Zorba: and apparently a time and day when those were important |
| 06:54.17 | Amarande | sadly, WoW will never again have that need to find a special knife to skin a raid boss |
| 06:54.25 | Amarande | if anything, the opposite is in danger of becoming the case, heh |
| 06:54.49 | Arrowmaster | i bet my friend still has both his skinning weapons |
| 06:54.52 | Tekkub | the need to find a special raid boss to use you skinning knife? |
| 06:54.56 | Arrowmaster | even though he droped skinning for mining |
| 06:55.01 | Amarande | Tekkub: and actually level up skinning, yeah :) |
| 06:55.07 | Tekkub | heh |
| 06:55.11 | Amarande | let's see, they keep giving us ten more levels of mobs |
| 06:55.22 | Amarande | however, profession max always goes up by 75, which means you can skin -fifteen- more levels of mobs |
| 06:55.37 | Amarande | in another couple expansions, you won't be able to max skinning, because even raid bosses will be grey before then :) |
| 06:55.42 | Arrowmaster | if they give us 10 more levels of mobs without giving us higher professions it will match up again wont it? |
| 06:55.49 | Tekkub | uhm, is it 1:1 ratio on the skill though? |
| 06:56.03 | Amarande | Tekkub: +5 skinning gives you access to one more level of mob to skin |
| 06:56.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: yes, but how likely do you think taht would happen? |
| 06:56.06 | Tekkub | I mean, there's 450 levels of skill and 83 levels of mobs |
| 06:56.11 | Amarande | I'm not sure whether the grey-out threshold has changed |
| 06:56.12 | Arrowmaster | not very |
| 06:56.24 | Arrowmaster | although they could just say no new rank of skinning |
| 06:56.38 | Amarande | I don't think it has, since every gathering profession seems to have a fixed orange/yellow/green/grey progression |
| 06:56.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i think they'll change the formula for higher level mobs instead |
| 06:56.48 | Arrowmaster | but we are already 'Grand Master's what more can we become? |
| 06:56.59 | NightHawkTheSane | that's an entirely different problem :p |
| 06:57.02 | Tekkub | Extravagant Masters |
| 06:57.09 | NightHawkTheSane | fabulous master? |
| 06:57.12 | Tekkub | Superflous |
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| 06:57.21 | Tekkub | EXTREEM |
| 06:57.29 | Arrowmaster | 'Supreme Grand Master' |
| 06:57.44 | Tekkub | Super |
| 06:58.03 | Amarande | Supreme Master |
| 06:58.07 | Amarande | like in the old Lone Wolf books |
| 06:58.17 | Tekkub | I'd just do "Grander Master" but that's me |
| 06:58.30 | Arrowmaster | ok now that im done doing my final, its time to go do my final |
| 06:58.46 | Tekkub | doesn't sound very "final" |
| 06:58.58 | Amarande | Not that I know how many people in the WoW community are old enough to REMEMBER Lone Wolf :S |
| 06:59.06 | Amarande | I mean, that was from mainly the 80s, early 90s |
| 06:59.10 | Arrowmaster | ive only got 2 hours to do this final now that ive already done it an have all the questions already answered infront of me |
| 06:59.27 | Amarande | and given how half the folks on WoW don't even get the Siouxsie the Banshee reference, which was from the same time and probably much more popular ... :| |
| 06:59.29 | Tekkub | Amarande, anime right? I've been told I wouldn't like it |
| 06:59.36 | Amarande | Tekkub: Gamebooks. |
| 06:59.42 | Amarande | Remember Choose Your Own Adventure? |
| 06:59.56 | Tekkub | wait I'm thinking "Lone Wolf and Cub" |
| 07:00.04 | Tekkub | yea I loved those |
| 07:00.05 | Amarande | Tekkub: yeah, most people do when I bring it up |
| 07:00.11 | Amarande | anyway, on the other side of the Pond |
| 07:00.18 | Tekkub | read them like a normal book, it's so fucked up |
| 07:00.46 | Amarande | couple Brits came up with the idea to have simple RPG character rules for books like that, and they used numbered sections, and a lot more of them (usually 300-400 a book), and called it Fighting Fantasy |
| 07:01.28 | Amarande | then a bloke named Joe Dever came along and decided to use an idea like that, except he also added skills you could pick, a simple but rules-based rather than the nonexistent rules of FF inventory system, and had you carry your character over from book to book |
| 07:01.31 | Amarande | that series was called Lone Wolf |
| 07:01.46 | Tekkub | sounds overcomplicated |
| 07:01.58 | Amarande | Tekkub: you can actually download the first 18 books in the series now, if you want to have a look |
| 07:02.04 | Amarande | and yeah, it's legal ... www.projectaon.org |
| 07:02.28 | Amarande | what's not legal is for anyone other than Project Aon itself to distribute the books, but anyone can download |
| 07:03.14 | Amarande | and I'd probably better get moving, since I think I'm standing on the winterspring road in the pat path. |
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| 07:05.38 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:05.43 | Amarande | did they boost the rep from timbermaw quests? |
| 07:06.08 | NightHawkTheSane | yes. doubled in 3.0 |
| 07:06.34 | Amarande | thought so |
| 07:06.40 | Amarande | I used to have to grind to neutral to turn in the two totems |
| 07:06.50 | Amarande | now I'm already in mid neutral and I've only done the felwood quests and -one- feather turnin |
| 07:12.07 | Arrowmaster | yay 100 points |
| 07:12.21 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/sinfest/2975/20081121.gif |
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| 07:14.00 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: which achievements? |
| 07:14.07 | Arrowmaster | my final exam |
| 07:14.39 | Arrowmaster | damnit too bad i dont remember what questions i missed on the midterm, its still open to do online with a max attempts set at 2 |
| 07:15.15 | Arrowmaster | oh wait no, this site is so fucked up |
| 07:15.42 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt have my final graded yet but its just saying 100 as the max |
| 07:16.16 | Arrowmaster | damn thing graded my midterm on the spot when i submited it and told me exactly which ones i missed |
| 07:16.31 | mikma | cairenn: http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/kamut/3246/20081121.gif |
| 07:16.47 | Cairenn | rofl |
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| 07:19.06 | mikma | tekkub: http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/ctrlaltdel/1215/20081121.jpg |
| 07:19.18 | mikma | damn good comics today |
| 07:19.43 | Tekkub | why is there even a w/lube option? |
| 07:20.15 | mikma | dunno |
| 07:21.07 | mikma | would be a fun job |
| 07:21.29 | Amarande | Evening Cairenn :) Heya Elk |
| 07:22.01 | Amarande | bah, what I wouldn't give for an Elixir of Beast Tracking if there was one |
| 07:22.01 | Cairenn | hey Amarande :) |
| 07:22.06 | Amarande | How's things? |
| 07:22.19 | Cairenn | pretty well, you? |
| 07:22.28 | Antiarc | Amarande: There are foods from Dalaran that grant beast tracking |
| 07:22.31 | bleeter | SHAAARRRROONNNNN!!!!!! |
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| 07:22.59 | Amarande | Pretty good :) |
| 07:23.10 | NightHawkTheSane | it'd be wonderful if blizzard didn't actively encourage loot ninjas >< |
| 07:23.20 | Amarande | Night: are you speaking of the 'needy' achievement? |
| 07:23.24 | bleeter | Cairenn: I presume you've seen the new WoW Ozzy advert? dunno why, but his scream of his wife's name made me thing of you >< |
| 07:23.33 | NightHawkTheSane | no, i'm speaking of asshat mouthbreathers who run around ninjaing nodes. |
| 07:23.43 | Cairenn | no, actually, I haven't seen them yet |
| 07:23.54 | bleeter | oh go view it, it's lol++ |
| 07:23.55 | Cairenn | looking at them now |
| 07:24.06 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 07:24.24 | Amarande | Night: this is different from 2.x how? |
| 07:24.54 | Amarande | I'd say the ninja'ing was at its worst in 2.4.0, actually |
| 07:24.59 | NightHawkTheSane | did i say it was? |
| 07:25.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Man, I'm impressed at my own work: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/misc/forums.png (the background) |
| 07:25.13 | Amarande | because that was back when the nether residue for the IQD daily was stupid rare, and everyone was desperate for nodes to gather theirs |
| 07:25.16 | Amarande | especially if you were a miner |
| 07:26.06 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/art2.jpg |
| 07:26.31 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: o_o |
| 07:26.31 | Amarande | I think they must have raised the drop rate on that quest, though |
| 07:26.44 | Amarande | I remember a couple patches later, after I was already exalted of course, it was easy to do that quest if I deigned to for the money |
| 07:27.03 | Amarande | grrr |
| 07:27.07 | Amarande | ursius, where the hell are you |
| 07:27.44 | Amarande | Quest complete |
| 07:27.50 | Amarande | you know, for some reason, -swearing always helps- |
| 07:28.07 | Amarande | keys, your wallet, Ursius ... it always seems to LOL |
| 07:28.46 | Amarande | grr, and I'm one herbing point short to be able to loot icecaps |
| 07:29.57 | Amarande | what's the highest req old world herb anyway ... is it icecap? |
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| 07:29.57 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dPlkFPowCc |
| 07:31.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: >.> |
| 07:31.47 | bleeter | cladhaire: have you heard of LH conflicting with Looter addon? I've been running around all day, and no issues. Just accepted the quest 'One of a kind' from Aurastraza, and LH bitched at me |
| 07:31.48 | NightHawkTheSane | redneck fun, i guess.. ? :P |
| 07:32.08 | bleeter | cladhaire: I'm running twoboxtoolkit with auto-accept of quest, if that may be partially responsible idk :/ |
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| 07:32.32 | bleeter | cladhaire: just though it was fine up until that one quest |
| 07:33.19 | Amarande | whoa, an old world elite that was green and still got my 62 DK pretty low on health |
| 07:34.20 | Amarande | spellmaw apparently is not to be trifled with |
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| 07:40.25 | Amarande | Night: where are you having trouble with loot ninjas btw? |
| 07:41.05 | Amarande | if your server's that bad, it might be time to transfer |
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| 08:00.09 | cogwheel | Ding 26 |
| 08:00.11 | cogwheel | (years) |
| 08:00.20 | Lukian | grats :D |
| 08:00.38 | End | gratz |
| 08:01.00 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Birthday Cogwheel!! |
| 08:01.30 | cogwheel | =) |
| 08:01.33 | Cairenn | Happy Birthday cogwheel :) |
| 08:06.25 | Lyn | gz :) |
| 08:11.34 | bleeter | are gnomes like humans? As in... do they shrink as they get older? if so, commiserations. if not, congratulations :) Happy Birthday Cogwheel! :D |
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| 08:12.08 | cogwheel | bleeter: yes |
| 08:12.24 | cogwheel | but i'd have to be much older :P |
| 08:12.35 | bleeter | cogwheel: may all your presents be sprockets and stuffs |
| 08:13.25 | Lukian | I think cogwheel prefer another cogwheel to play with XD |
| 08:14.16 | bleeter | cogwheel: I saw a trailer for the new copolla film yesterday, made me think of you ;) |
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| 08:29.02 | Amarande | hmm |
| 08:29.17 | Amarande | do DK attacks that specify 'weapon damage' always use the main hand weapon when dual wielding? |
| 08:29.25 | Mikk | i'd assume so |
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| 08:29.32 | Mikk | that's how warriors & rogues & huntards work |
| 08:30.24 | Mikk | cogwheel: assume you'd write an xpcall() that takes parameters for wowlua... assume you'd give that snippet to our favourite UI pirate... what do you think the chances are he'd add it? =) |
| 08:30.31 | Lyn | Amarande, yes |
| 08:30.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: yes, unless the attack specifically states otherwise, all weapon based attacks are MH based. |
| 08:31.04 | NightHawkTheSane | (ie, Shiv, Whirlwind, mutilate) |
| 08:31.30 | Mikk | So yeah big mofo 2handers are Good for DKs |
| 08:31.34 | Lyn | yy |
| 08:31.45 | Lyn | also they hit like a truck! |
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| 08:32.13 | Amarande | and speaking of huntards, did the whole pet revamp with 3.0 also do away with the 'caster pet' thing? |
| 08:32.57 | cogwheel | Mikk: assuming you mean lua-wow... and assuming my ability to "give" it to him... /shrug? |
| 08:33.31 | cogwheel | is it on my suggestion list? |
| 08:33.44 | Mikk | I certainly haven't put it anywhere! |
| 08:33.56 | Mikk | I'm just having wet dreams about not having to write weird wrappers |
| 08:34.03 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784275032&sid=1 |
| 08:34.08 | cogwheel | post away :) |
| 08:34.12 | Amarande | I remember in 2.x, if you tamed a pet that had a mana bar as an enemy, its stats would suck at high levels |
| 08:34.16 | Amarande | did they fix that? |
| 08:34.16 | Mikk | I'm EU =( |
| 08:34.29 | cogwheel | well write a post for me to post away then :) |
| 08:34.57 | Mikk | lmao @ post 7 |
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| 08:35.33 | Mikk | sorry, busy laughing still :P |
| 08:35.48 | Amarande | whoa |
| 08:35.51 | Amarande | go go gadget DK |
| 08:35.57 | Amarande | I just did the Shy-Rotam quest in winterspring |
| 08:36.08 | Amarande | took her down so fast that her mate despawned before being able to even reach me :) |
| 08:36.20 | cogwheel | =) |
| 08:36.47 | Tem | I wonder why group calendar is still being developed |
| 08:36.49 | Amarande | I'm about to target him, hit my attack as usual |
| 08:36.53 | Amarande | and then ... 'there is nothing to attack' |
| 08:37.35 | Tem | I'd have let him get within 15y |
| 08:37.43 | Tem | and then pestilenced him |
| 08:37.49 | Tem | god I love that ability |
| 08:39.13 | Tem | My favorite way to kill the new avalon citizens in the starter zone is to pest the whole group standing outside the town hall and letting the diseases kill them |
| 08:40.25 | Lukian | Tem, group calendar has/had some good raid management features XD |
| 08:40.38 | Tem | so does the built in calendar? |
| 08:40.57 | Lukian | can you say you aren't available for an event using the built-in calendar? |
| 08:41.27 | Mikk | cogwheel: http://pastey.net/102371 |
| 08:42.28 | Tem | Lukian, you have to get invited |
| 08:42.36 | Tem | and then you can accept/decline |
| 08:42.56 | Tem | invites can go out to the entire guild at a particular rank and level, iirc |
| 08:43.05 | Lukian | ah I see |
| 08:43.18 | NightHawkTheSane | this is kind of neat |
| 08:43.19 | NightHawkTheSane | http://missatlaplaya.blogspot.com/2008/11/magic-of-make-up-photography-and-good.html |
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| 08:43.49 | cogwheel | Mikk: posted. i'll add it to the list Soon⢠|
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| 08:58.14 | cladhaire | bleeter: those messages will be pretty much removed when Armory fixes their shit. |
| 08:58.36 | cladhaire | Mikk: already been requested as well |
| 08:59.01 | Mikk | cladhaire: now or earlier |
| 08:59.04 | cladhaire | I believe slouken wasn't comfortable making the change to the Lua core.. but Lua was also looking at adding it. |
| 08:59.06 | cladhaire | earlier. |
| 08:59.12 | cladhaire | I've asked for it myself multiple times :P |
| 08:59.16 | Mikk | ohwell doesn't hurt to request again |
| 08:59.23 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 08:59.40 | cladhaire | the reason has to do with what is on the stack at the point the error fires |
| 08:59.40 | Mikk | i'd be happy with an xxpcall too |
| 09:00.26 | Mikk | oh, i think i see |
| 09:00.49 | Mikk | clean stack = easy to run own error handler. messy stack = dont want to run own error handler. |
| 09:01.17 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 09:01.24 | Mikk | does it longjmp back to the error point or soemthing similarly horrid? |
| 09:01.32 | cladhaire | yeah I think so |
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| 09:03.37 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 09:03.40 | cladhaire | it uses lua_pcall directly |
| 09:03.43 | cladhaire | so it may be easier |
| 09:03.52 | cladhaire | if they're okay with making that change without Lua making it in the core yet |
| 09:04.09 | cladhaire | http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2007-11/msg00592.html |
| 09:04.12 | cladhaire | :P |
| 09:04.59 | cladhaire | it'd be nice to eght |
| 09:05.23 | krka | syntax should be: xpcall(err, fun, ...) |
| 09:05.24 | krka | imo |
| 09:05.45 | cladhaire | aye, that's what mikk posted :P |
| 09:05.57 | krka | right |
| 09:06.02 | krka | just read the lua list |
| 09:06.06 | cladhaire | =) |
| 09:09.36 | ZorbaTHut | I'd love to see coroutine yield/xpcall compatibility, personally. would make my life so much easier :P |
| 09:10.14 | Mikk | Mmmm you're basically screwed for using coroutines in any ace event handler now |
| 09:10.22 | Mikk | Since they all use xpcall |
| 09:10.58 | ZorbaTHut | guess I won't be touching ace then :) |
| 09:11.34 | Mikk | oi hey http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=20&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdev.leipzig.freifunk.net%2Ftrac%2Fbrowser%2Fff-luci%2Ftrunk%2Flibs%2Fcore%2Fluasrc%2Futil.lua%3Frev%3D2669%26format%3Dtxt&ei=sHomSZb2H4OgwgHKjsnABQ&usg=AFQjCNF4TXNRG7v0qpYgR4GoJ-h3Qi5x6w&sig2=rDWqPCMSxHeAjh48jCRIlw |
| 09:11.38 | Mikk | shit sorry about that |
| 09:11.44 | Mikk | https://dev.leipzig.freifunk.net/trac/browser/ff-luci/trunk/libs/core/luasrc/util. lua?rev=2669&format=txt |
| 09:11.52 | Amarande | yay my second ever black lotus |
| 09:12.06 | Mikk | "This is a coroutine-safe drop-in replacement for Lua's " xpcall"-function" |
| 09:12.26 | Mikk | ZorbaTHut: Noone forces you to use Ace's event driver if all you e.g. want to do is use the config UI |
| 09:12.40 | Mikk | ZorbaTHut: That's one of the core principles for Ace3 - use what you want, ignore everything else |
| 09:13.16 | ZorbaTHut | nod. I probably still wouldn't convert to Ace unless I found a real, real good reason for it, but it's a good principle |
| 09:14.36 | ZorbaTHut | that's kind of a neat hideous hack, if I'm interpreting it correctly |
| 09:14.46 | ZorbaTHut | I'm guessing *something* in there would not play nice under WoW |
| 09:15.33 | cladhaire | RuneWatch is really nicde! |
| 09:15.33 | Mikk | ZorbaTHut: All depends on the addons you write and what they need. There's plenty of small addons where it simply doesn't make sense to add lib dependencies to begin with. |
| 09:15.40 | ZorbaTHut | mikk, true |
| 09:16.26 | Mikk | But tbh, "Ace" really is a huge collection of useful libraries now, and the only common denominator is LibStub, which is .. what.. 1kb |
| 09:16.39 | Mikk | No dependencies on AceLibrary / AceEvent / AceOO. |
| 09:16.43 | Mikk | I'm happy with how it turned out. |
| 09:19.41 | cladhaire | me too |
| 09:19.48 | cladhaire | considering its what I intended for ace2 |
| 09:19.53 | cladhaire | before it was ripped out my hands :P |
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| 09:31.39 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following free migration is scheduled to last until end of Tuesday November 25.. |
| 09:31.39 | Shiibot | To the NEW realm named Chamber of Aspects: Aggramar, Arathor, Aszune, Azjol-Nerub, Bloodhoof, Doomhammer, Draenor, Emerald Dream, Hellscream, Nordrassil, Runetotem, Silvermoon. |
| 09:31.39 | Shiibot | Argent Dawn --> Darkmoon Faire, Steamwheedle Cartel, The Sha'tar. Al'Akir --> Auchindoun, Bladefist. Burning Legion --> Chromaggus, Xavius. Crushridge --> Ahn'Qiraj, Deathwing. Drak'thul --> Daggerspine, Dentarg |
| 09:35.08 | bleeter | cladhaire: heh, fair enough =)) |
| 09:35.45 | bleeter | SHAAARRONNN |
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| 09:39.22 | Lothaer | hey Clad u here? |
| 09:40.19 | Lothaer | ~seen cladhaire |
| 09:40.21 | purl | cladhaire is currently on #wowprogramming (1d 10h 51m 23s) #infobot (1d 10h 51m 23s) #wowuidev (1d 10h 51m 23s) #wowace (1d 10h 51m 23s) #curseforge (1d 10h 51m 23s). Has said a total of 303 messages. Is idling for 20m 28s, last said: 'before it was ripped out my hands :P'. |
| 09:46.29 | Nom- | awww did the old auctioneer get discontinued ? :( |
| 09:46.59 | Nom- | I hate the new interface with a vengeance... i like the old drag-and-drop for selling stuff |
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| 09:49.28 | cladhaire | Lothaer: whats up |
| 09:50.10 | cladhaire | Lothaer: you don't do anything... just leave them all enabled |
| 09:51.04 | cladhaire | Lothaer: Or perhaps I don't understand the question |
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| 09:55.11 | cladhaire | Lothaer: Ping... "Mr Impatient" |
| 09:57.38 | NightHawkTheSane | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081120/od_nm/us_obesity_odd_1 |
| 09:57.40 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
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| 09:59.30 | Lothaer | lol |
| 09:59.32 | Lothaer | sorry |
| 09:59.59 | Lothaer | what data plugins for LH do i enable just to have the TBC and WotLK quests? |
| 10:00.15 | cladhaire | YOu can't. |
| 10:00.17 | cladhaire | just leave them all |
| 10:00.20 | cladhaire | nothing is loaded thatyou don't need |
| 10:00.23 | cladhaire | so I don't understand.. |
| 10:00.39 | cladhaire | There isn't a distinction between TBC and WoTLK.. they're grouped by qid |
| 10:00.54 | Lothaer | kk i thought the LoD stuff was so there so users can disable old world quests etc |
| 10:00.54 | cladhaire | and ONLY the data addons (not plugins) that you specifically query are loaded |
| 10:00.57 | cladhaire | no |
| 10:01.02 | cladhaire | its there so LH only loads precisely what you need |
| 10:01.51 | Lothaer | kk so its not loading all the quest data only the quests i have? |
| 10:02.36 | Lothaer | Nom-: what you mean? |
| 10:02.37 | cladhaire | it tells you what it loads, heh |
| 10:02.41 | Lothaer | kk |
| 10:02.49 | cladhaire | it loads only the data for the quests you SPECIFICALLY query |
| 10:02.55 | cladhaire | not any range, not all of them.. just those you click on |
| 10:03.02 | Lothaer | ahh kk |
| 10:04.37 | Lothaer | so whats the point of having the plugins etc why not just have it all in the one folders? |
| 10:04.43 | cladhaire | ... |
| 10:04.50 | cladhaire | you don't seem to get it, lol |
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| 10:04.58 | Lothaer | sorry for asking quests to which im sure youve answered 858396894038904 times over |
| 10:05.05 | cladhaire | I haven't, but I hoped it was obvious. |
| 10:05.24 | cladhaire | In WoW you either load files or you don't. |
| 10:05.26 | cladhaire | right>? |
| 10:05.29 | Lothaer | yeah LoD |
| 10:05.31 | cladhaire | No |
| 10:05.34 | cladhaire | Either a file is loaded |
| 10:05.35 | cladhaire | or it is not |
| 10:05.37 | cladhaire | there's no inbetween |
| 10:05.41 | cladhaire | Each data file is 3.1 megs |
| 10:05.47 | cladhaire | There is also no way to CONDITIONALLy load files |
| 10:06.01 | cladhaire | So all of the data files are CONTAINED within the main addon |
| 10:06.11 | cladhaire | and I use stub-LoD addons to load the data files when I need them |
| 10:06.53 | Lothaer | k |
| 10:06.55 | cladhaire | Any quests between 2 and 1506 are in LightHeaded/Data/LH_Data_A.lua, anything between 1506 and 6825 are in LightHeaded/Data/LH_Data_B.lua, etc. |
| 10:07.11 | cladhaire | they are evenly distributed based on the number of comments per files, which is why they're all very similar in size |
| 10:07.22 | Lothaer | ahh kk so it just makes it easier for you to track down errors etc |
| 10:07.34 | cladhaire | It has nothing to do with error |
| 10:07.36 | cladhaire | and you are confusing me now |
| 10:07.41 | Lothaer | lol sorry |
| 10:07.41 | cladhaire | What don't you understand? |
| 10:07.58 | Lothaer | ok just bear with me for a min |
| 10:09.02 | Lothaer | i was under the impression that vanilla WoW quest data, TBC quest data and WotLK quest data were all compiled into the idividual data files, so that the end user can choose what data they want loaded. |
| 10:09.14 | Lothaer | but obviously i was completely wrong :P |
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| 10:18.43 | cladhaire | Lothaer: sorry, got disconnected |
| 10:18.51 | cladhaire | But I gotta run in a minute or two, if you're here to respond. |
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| 10:20.38 | cladhaire | okay, gotta run |
| 10:23.36 | |pez| | Snoow! :o |
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| 10:26.00 | Lothaer | k i gotta goto work soon anyway :D |
| 10:26.40 | clad|away | it has to be done this way, and its the best way for it to be done :P |
| 10:26.43 | clad|away | that much I can assure you |
| 10:26.54 | clad|away | the alternatives are not acceptable. |
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| 10:46.32 | Lothaer | well i gotta go thanks for clearing that up clad |
| 10:46.32 | Lothaer | ciao |
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| 11:04.10 | ZorbaTHut | clad, I'm assuming there's no way to unload files, nor any way to define a list of modules to be dynamically loaded from within a single directory? |
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| 11:05.09 | jnwhiteh | The word module is a bad one there, so let's not use it |
| 11:05.30 | jnwhiteh | and there is no way to "unload" a file, other than to remove all references to the data contained within that file, and run two garbage collection cycles |
| 11:05.43 | jnwhiteh | I'm not sure what you're asking for/about tho |
| 11:05.51 | jnwhiteh | If i know that I can probably provide more specific information :P |
| 11:06.40 | ZorbaTHut | well, ideally, I'd like to be able to have a large database split into many pieces, with the needed segments loaded on demand and then dropped again when no longer necessary (loaded again when necessary again), the entire shebang contained within one directory for ease of installation |
| 11:06.46 | ZorbaTHut | I'm pretty sure that's impossible on several levels though :) |
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| 11:12.36 | jnwhiteh | You can't reload once you've unloaded, so there is your problem. |
| 11:12.40 | jnwhiteh | And it can't be in one directory |
| 11:12.58 | jnwhiteh | the only way to do something split like that that loads on demand is the way LightHeaded does it, which should be pretty obvious if you look at it. |
| 11:13.02 | jnwhiteh | Let me know if you haev any questinos |
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| 11:17.47 | wing__ | Now what? |
| 11:18.14 | wing__ | Hello guys |
| 11:18.36 | zenzio | hi |
| 11:19.19 | wing__ | Im going mental over one thing in AH... I want to post green items with bid at vendor price and BO at vendor markup but I seem to suck at getting the setting for it :( I've tried for 1,5 hour now |
| 11:19.57 | zenzio | are you using an addon for this or writing an addon to do it? |
| 11:20.20 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, the way lightheaded does it is clear, it's just also of dubious usefulness |
| 11:20.39 | ZorbaTHut | better, but not ideal |
| 11:20.48 | wing__ | Auc-Advanced |
| 11:21.25 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: Its extremely useful, actually :P |
| 11:21.40 | ZorbaTHut | I don't suppose anyone knows a way to determine whether the current target that the mouse is over is lootable? ;) |
| 11:21.46 | jnwhiteh | It lets me hide a 15 Megabyte database until its needed in parts :P |
| 11:21.48 | jnwhiteh | !api Lootable |
| 11:21.49 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Lootable'. |
| 11:21.51 | ZorbaTHut | jnwhiteh, I mean, "not ideal for me" :P |
| 11:21.55 | jnwhiteh | !api Loot |
| 11:21.56 | lua_bot | Found 24 possible matches for 'Loot'. Please be more specific |
| 11:21.58 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 11:22.06 | ZorbaTHut | I'm already looking through the API and not finding a lot |
| 11:22.50 | jnwhiteh | perhaps only through tooltip scanning |
| 11:22.52 | jnwhiteh | which is unfortunate |
| 11:22.58 | jnwhiteh | you could :SetUnit("mouseover") |
| 11:23.00 | ZorbaTHut | there's no tag in the tooltip for it, and I can't see any way to determine what the cursor's icon is. can't find a unit-related function for it either |
| 11:23.18 | jnwhiteh | there is a tag in the tooltip if someone else can loot it :P |
| 11:23.26 | ZorbaTHut | doesn't help if the user's solo :) |
| 11:23.28 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 11:23.30 | jnwhiteh | check the cursor |
| 11:23.43 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 11:23.56 | ZorbaTHut | How? I can't find a GetCursorIcon() function or similar |
| 11:23.58 | jnwhiteh | looks like there's no way to do that either |
| 11:24.01 | jnwhiteh | boo |
| 11:24.03 | ZorbaTHut | yeah :) |
| 11:24.04 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
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| 11:24.09 | jnwhiteh | probably not available to stop botters |
| 11:24.18 | jnwhiteh | since writing a lootbot would be trivial then |
| 11:24.22 | ZorbaTHut | this is making my job significantly harder, blizzard >:( |
| 11:26.21 | ZorbaTHut | and I'm guessing there's no way to tell if something is skinnable, besides reading the tooltip . . . *after* it's been looted |
| 11:26.36 | jnwhiteh | correct, tooltip scanning is it |
| 11:26.40 | jnwhiteh | whatcha trying to do? |
| 11:26.45 | jnwhiteh | write a lootbot? :P |
| 11:26.54 | ZorbaTHut | nah, collect data on what's skinnable/herbable/etc |
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| 11:28.37 | jnwhiteh | yeah thottbot and friends use the tooltip to figure it out |
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| 11:30.19 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'm just being very overly paranoid about the data I can gather. trying to gather both negatives and positives - the current data gathering for this plugin only gathers positives, which leads to some irritating database issues. |
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| 11:31.44 | Arrowmaster | how? |
| 11:32.26 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, which? |
| 11:32.46 | Arrowmaster | what are the issues from only gathering positives? |
| 11:33.40 | ZorbaTHut | if there's any sort of data corruption (which is almost guaranteed when doing large-scale gathering) it's easy for false positives to crop up |
| 11:33.56 | ZorbaTHut | for example at one point Questhelper was absolutely convinced that you could open a Zesty Clam Meat and loot Zesty Clam Meat from it |
| 11:34.42 | ZorbaTHut | if all I know is that there's 144 cases of it apparently happening, I don't have a lot to go on. if I know that there's 144 cases of it happening, and 174,000 cases of it not being lootable, I can probably throw away that 144 as bad data. |
| 11:35.00 | jnwhiteh | yeah, its tough to get definitive information |
| 11:35.17 | jnwhiteh | when its all just a heuristic based on situationally gathered data :P |
| 11:35.23 | ZorbaTHut | yup.\ |
| 11:35.57 | Arrowmaster | well i can tell you i already found 2 places your db for howling fjord is wrong |
| 11:36.09 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 11:36.11 | ZorbaTHut | doesn't surprise me in the least :) what are they? |
| 11:36.33 | ZorbaTHut | there's a bunch of known issues, most of which I'm just looking at and saying "yup, that'll be fixed in the data gathering rewrite". |
| 11:36.53 | Arrowmaster | imho data gathering like that is the issue |
| 11:37.13 | Arrowmaster | it would be more accurate if you use used data submited by people like tourguide |
| 11:37.37 | ZorbaTHut | no it wouldn't - people are dicks, and frequently wrong ;) just look at thottbot comments |
| 11:38.02 | Arrowmaster | i didnt say you had to use every submission |
| 11:38.05 | ZorbaTHut | it's better to have a *good* data collection layer. I'm pretty sure I can produce better data than Wowhead, given some effort, and Wowhead tends to be right |
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| 11:38.27 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but that's my point - there is *no way* I'm going to be sitting there manually processing submissions for however many thousands of items, monsters, and quests WoW currently contains |
| 11:38.50 | ZorbaTHut | in 9 languages, at that |
| 11:38.55 | ZorbaTHut | it *has* to be automated. It just won't scale otherwise. |
| 11:38.56 | Arrowmaster | but well 2 quests from the apothcary camp in HJ were completely wrong, one didnt show up on the mobs it was suppost to and the other said i gathered the items from the mobs for the first when really they were looted from the ground |
| 11:39.17 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck would you do it in multiple languages? |
| 11:39.20 | ZorbaTHut | any idea which the quests were? was the first a "kill this set of monsters" deal? |
| 11:39.37 | ZorbaTHut | because a huge number of my users aren't English speakers |
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| 11:40.00 | Arrowmaster | nothing at all should be in any language in your database |
| 11:40.12 | ZorbaTHut | and in fact, the quality of bug reports from the non-english crowd seems to be overall better |
| 11:40.28 | Arrowmaster | the other is a slay mountain elementals quest |
| 11:40.33 | ZorbaTHut | "go kill monster #12245" is not as useful as "go kill Furious Fel Bear" :P |
| 11:41.02 | Arrowmaster | quest id 11311 |
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| 11:41.21 | ZorbaTHut | ah, yeah, that's a common glitch |
| 11:41.28 | ZorbaTHut | right now if it doesn't give the exact monster name, it just sort of gives up. |
| 11:41.45 | ZorbaTHut | something I plan to fix in the data rewrite, I don't currently gather data about what's giving kill credit. |
| 11:41.48 | Arrowmaster | so far everything ive seen the localizations is easily gathered from the quest text |
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| 11:43.46 | Arrowmaster | all you db should need is coords and mob ids imho |
| 11:44.21 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* monster names are helpful, as is loot info if the player wants lootable items as an objective. |
| 11:46.18 | Arrowmaster | well yeah i guess item ids too for if a quest has multiple items that drop from different mobs |
| 11:46.35 | Arrowmaster | but never item names, you can get those from the game itself |
| 11:47.16 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I've thought about dumping those. I'm going to gather them anyway, but they may or may not end up in the final database |
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| 11:49.00 | Arrowmaster | and how about a way to disable the datamining? |
| 11:50.08 | ZorbaTHut | don't submit the data :P |
| 11:50.25 | foxlit | It's wasteful to store it if you aren't going to submit it :) |
| 11:50.38 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, I guess people should submit it then ;) |
| 11:50.40 | Arrowmaster | exactly |
| 11:50.52 | foxlit | I guess people don't want to. |
| 11:50.57 | ZorbaTHut | basically, as I see it, 95% of the people who are even aware of its existence will probably submit it at some point |
| 11:51.17 | Arrowmaster | not only is it a waste of memory but its also a waste of cpu usage |
| 11:51.22 | foxlit | And the 95% of people who aren't are wasting resources on tracking stuff they have no interest in? |
| 11:51.29 | ZorbaTHut | I could rig up an option to disable it, or I could spend the time improving questhelper. It doesn't seem particularly useful. I want it to be low-impact anyway - if it's noticable in terms of CPU and RAM, I'm doing it wrong. |
| 11:51.43 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, shrug. It's only a few cycles and a few megs of RAM. Both of them are cheap. |
| 11:52.08 | Arrowmaster | even if the option is hidden it should still be possible |
| 11:52.25 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, options take time to code and time to debug. My feeling is that it's not worth the time. |
| 11:52.43 | foxlit | I solve the issue by not running QuestHelper. |
| 11:52.51 | foxlit | works like a charm! |
| 11:52.51 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, see? the issue is solved. :) |
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| 12:32.00 | LiraNuna_ | anyone has an addon that shows how much was absorbed by Ice Barrier so it could be tracked? |
| 12:36.17 | jnwhiteh | LiraNuna_: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11413-Shieldmonitor.html |
| 12:37.45 | LiraNuna_ | YES, and I thought I'd had to code it myself. Thanks! |
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| 12:59.27 | Adys | is it possible (without parsing the combat log) to know the id of a buff/debuff ? |
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| 12:59.36 | Adys | on you, or ideally your target too |
| 13:02.39 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: why separate esMX and esES data btw? |
| 13:02.44 | Adys | on questhelper |
| 13:03.18 | ZorbaTHut | adys, because it relies on GetLocale(), and GetLocale() separates it |
| 13:03.28 | Adys | I meant the data itself |
| 13:03.38 | Adys | and not link them like for enUS/enGB |
| 13:03.51 | ZorbaTHut | are enUS/enGB linked? that's news to me, I haven't looked at that code :) |
| 13:04.07 | Adys | dunno I vaguely looked at the code |
| 13:04.42 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not finding anything that explicitly refers to enGB - does the enGB locale exist in WoW? |
| 13:04.55 | Adys | yeah its the english EU client |
| 13:05.03 | ZorbaTHut | Huh. Curious. I wonder why it doesn't show up. |
| 13:05.50 | Adys | hmm |
| 13:05.54 | ZorbaTHut | apparently GetLocale() returns enUS even on enGB clients |
| 13:05.55 | Adys | getlocale returns enUS here |
| 13:05.59 | Adys | yeah |
| 13:06.04 | ZorbaTHut | well, there's the answer. :) |
| 13:06.07 | Adys | didnt know about that |
| 13:06.18 | Adys | anyhow you might wanna share esMX and esES data |
| 13:06.20 | ZorbaTHut | me neither. Good to know though. |
| 13:06.33 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, I want to share *all* locale data :P |
| 13:06.39 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder if there's an easy way to hack those together though |
| 13:06.49 | Adys | what do you mean? |
| 13:07.06 | ZorbaTHut | there's no reason it needs nine different chunks of data on where monster ID 1234 spawns |
| 13:07.12 | ZorbaTHut | the only difference is what its name is |
| 13:07.37 | ZorbaTHut | same with quests, etc. it's kind of ridiculous that I carry around a full database for each locale. |
| 13:20.55 | Adys | to all the winers interested (kd3, bleeter etc) http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16131 |
| 13:21.33 | AbsoRayne | Holy crap :O |
| 13:21.39 | AbsoRayne | Its snowing in New Jersey O_o |
| 13:21.51 | AbsoRayne | Its waaaaaayyy early in the year for it to be snowing here O_o |
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| 13:57.41 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following free migration is scheduled to last until end of Tuesday November 25.. |
| 13:57.41 | Shiibot | To the NEW realm named Chamber of Aspects: Aggramar, Arathor, Aszune, Azjol-Nerub, Bloodhoof, Doomhammer, Draenor, Emerald Dream, Hellscream, Nordrassil, Runetotem, Silvermoon. |
| 13:57.41 | Shiibot | Argent Dawn --> Darkmoon Faire, Steamwheedle Cartel, The Sha'tar. Al'Akir --> Auchindoun, Bladefist. Burning Legion --> Chromaggus, Xavius. Crushridge --> Ahn'Qiraj, Deathwing. Drak'thul --> Daggerspine, Dentarg |
| 13:59.50 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 13:59.54 | jnwhiteh | Vek'nilash is no longer a target realm |
| 14:00.04 | jnwhiteh | maybe we've reached our desired Alliance population? |
| 14:01.03 | zenzio | can/do they lock free migration to one faction? |
| 14:01.07 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 14:01.08 | jnwhiteh | sadly |
| 14:01.11 | zenzio | otherwise they could have just been swamped with hordes |
| 14:01.18 | zenzio | (and therefore closed it) |
| 14:01.21 | jnwhiteh | we were already 85% horde, 15% alliance |
| 14:01.25 | jnwhiteh | when Ravencrest was first allowed |
| 14:01.39 | jnwhiteh | then they closed us, and moved to Grim Batol and one other server into Vek |
| 14:01.40 | jnwhiteh | who knows :P |
| 14:03.23 | zenzio | Silvermoon has a pretty horrible A:H ratio |
| 14:03.24 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following free migration is scheduled to last . until end of Tuesday November 25.. . To the NEW realm named Chamber of Aspects: . Aggramar, Arathor, Aszune, Azjol-Nerub, . Bloodhoof, Doomhammer, Draenor, Emerald Dream, |
| 14:03.24 | Shiibot | Hellscream, Nordrassil, Runetotem, Silvermoon. . Argent Dawn --> Darkmoon Faire, Steamwheedle . Cartel, The Sha'tar. Al'Akir --> Auchindoun, Bladefist. Burning Legion --> Chromaggus, Xavius. Crushridge --> Ahn'Qiraj, Deathwing |
| 14:03.24 | Shiibot | Drak'thul --> Daggerspine, Dentarg. Frostmane --> Burning Blade, Laughing Skull. Grim Batol --> Genjuros, Vek'nilash. Kazzak --> Bladefist, Karazhan. Magtheridon --> Emeriss, Zenedar. Neptulon --> Dentarg, Shattered Halls |
| 14:03.37 | jnwhiteh | zenzio: Ally heavy? |
| 14:03.42 | zenzio | very |
| 14:04.03 | jnwhiteh | Hrm, Grim Batol -> Vek'nilash added back in. |
| 14:04.11 | jnwhiteh | I should have gone to Bladefist =/ |
| 14:05.08 | zenzio | Warcraftrealms claims Silvermoon is 88:12, Wowjutsu says 1:0.16 (A:H) |
| 14:05.30 | Slakah | my guild recently migrated off SM |
| 14:05.32 | jnwhiteh | what do they say for vek'nilash-EU? |
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| 14:05.39 | zenzio | http://www.wowjutsu.com/eu/silvermoon/ <-- check the list |
| 14:05.54 | Slakah | 3H:1A |
| 14:06.51 | zenzio | jnwhiteh: Wowjutsu says Vek'nilash is 2.98:1 H/A, Warcraftrealms says 3.9:1 |
| 14:07.03 | jnwhiteh | hrm, that's better than I thought it was |
| 14:07.06 | jnwhiteh | maybe its improving |
| 14:07.52 | zenzio | anyway, going home |
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| 14:10.39 | jnwhiteh | morning peppy!# |
| 14:11.54 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, jnwhiteh! |
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| 14:27.42 | AbsoRayne | gah |
| 14:27.50 | AbsoRayne | Snow is messing with my internet :( |
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| 14:28.14 | Lopeppeppy | Snow sucks it. |
| 14:28.29 | AbsoRayne | I love snow, just not when it messes with my net :P |
| 14:28.42 | Lopeppeppy | How is it messing with your webs? That's kind of weird. |
| 14:28.46 | AbsoRayne | DSL |
| 14:29.07 | AbsoRayne | Were already really far away from the tower as is |
| 14:29.09 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. *nod* |
| 14:30.06 | AbsoRayne | Cant connect to WoW now... |
| 14:31.19 | AbsoRayne | or MSN.... :/ |
| 14:31.30 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch. |
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| 14:35.45 | AbsoRayne_ | >< |
| 14:37.26 | AbsoRayne_ | So apparently |
| 14:37.35 | AbsoRayne_ | Everyone was right that if I left the guild I was in, id kill it. |
| 14:39.16 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs* |
| 14:39.23 | Lopeppeppy | The guild killed itself, you didn't. |
| 14:40.11 | AbsoRayne_ | I didnt say anything when I left. I thanked everyone for the invite, and the opportunity to help them...my buddy who was also an officer stayed in...5 mins after I did, I was getting tells 'So Abso finally left or did someone kick him?' 'He sucked anyway, theres nothing he showed us we couldnt have done on our own by the expansion' <--- That one made me laugh the hardest. When I stepped in... |
| 14:40.13 | AbsoRayne_ | ...they were 1/5 Hyjal, within 2 weeks of me being there they went 4/5 |
| 14:40.46 | Lopeppeppy | Sour grapes, dear. *hug* |
| 14:40.53 | AbsoRayne_ | it gets better :P |
| 14:41.05 | AbsoRayne_ | Im laughing because I LOVE how two-faced everyone was |
| 14:42.00 | AbsoRayne_ | My former class leader, who I might say, failed as a warrior, starting talking trash, and my friend immediatly said 'you need to shut your effing mouth. Rayne was TWICE the tank you were and didnt mysteriously have to leave raids if things were going right. He didnt bitch about offspec loot, he didnt not show up cause he didnt want to unlike your ass.' |
| 14:42.40 | AbsoRayne_ | And this morning on MSN: ok. Heres rundown. Wushi left cuz of what i said. Dezmo demoted me bad. Andrew demoted Dez. Dez quit. i banned Dez from vent. Dez took vent away entirely. I quit guild for good. Others are now coming soon. GOOD ones. CoTD is dead |
| 14:43.33 | Lopeppeppy | Drama llama ran out of hay. It sucks when guilds melt down. |
| 14:44.07 | AbsoRayne_ | The guild was already falling apart when I came in |
| 14:44.46 | Lopeppeppy | Thus making it all your fault, and you the unhappy catalyst. |
| 14:45.40 | AbsoRayne_ | Im not unhappy at all |
| 14:45.44 | AbsoRayne_ | Im loving every second of this |
| 14:45.47 | AbsoRayne_ | best put |
| 14:46.00 | AbsoRayne_ | Agent Smith ~In a world beyond controlling, Are you going to deny the savior, In front of your eyes, Stare into the night~ says: Well, you were the glue that held CoD together |
| 14:46.41 | AbsoRayne_ | AbsoRayne: Get out of here you name stealer! |
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| 14:51.08 | AbsoRayne_ | Yay I killed the Chat \o/ |
| 14:52.18 | Lopeppeppy | But AbsoRayne left. |
| 14:52.36 | haste | suddenly clones, hundreds of them! |
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| 14:55.59 | alestane | It took me a while to realize that "You aren't dedicated enough" really means "I don't know how to do this without you." |
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| 14:57.18 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs for alestane* |
| 14:57.23 | Lopeppeppy | AFK for sheeple! |
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| 15:02.49 | Amarande | Joy. |
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| 15:02.57 | Amarande | Anyone else get bit by this exceedingly irritating bug? |
| 15:03.31 | Amarande | I decided to clean house (read: character banks) of stuff I won't be needing now that WotLK is out |
| 15:03.40 | Amarande | and apparently ... darkmoon cards you got before 3.0 can't be sold, in any way shape or form? |
| 15:04.04 | alestane | Don't vendor, or can't be auctioned? |
| 15:04.19 | Amarande | alestane: can't do either |
| 15:04.27 | Amarande | AH will claim that they are items with used charges and thus cannot be auctioned |
| 15:04.40 | alestane | That's a wierd error. |
| 15:04.45 | Amarande | if I try to vendor them, tooltips show they have vendor value but "the merchant doesn't want that item" |
| 15:04.57 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt want your used cards either! |
| 15:05.01 | alestane | That sounds like a glitch. Mention it to a GM. |
| 15:05.11 | nevcairiel | its been all over the bug forum |
| 15:05.24 | Amarande | apparently new darkmoon cards work though, since I just sold some that Melamorea made via inscription |
| 15:05.27 | nevcairiel | same deal for pets that you got before 3.0 |
| 15:05.53 | Amarande | nev: are they also bugged if you attempt to build the corresponding darkmoon deck with them? |
| 15:06.05 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 15:06.14 | nevcairiel | its old cards, i wouldnt want to :) |
| 15:06.57 | Amarande | meanwhile, Melamorea is -finally- ready to go to outland |
| 15:07.00 | Amarande | about a sixth of the way into 63 |
| 15:07.41 | Amarande | so basically at this point there's no practical point whatsoever to going aldor on anyone? |
| 15:08.28 | nevcairiel | not really, i guess |
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| 15:13.10 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 15:18.28 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: you can only exalt with one, and scryers rep items are ludicrously easy to get, especially at 80, via netherstorm and IQD |
| 15:19.01 | Amarande | whereas aldor rep items were always a pain to get |
| 15:19.07 | Arrowmaster | and yet before 2.4 aldor was redicously easier to get |
| 15:19.24 | Amarande | nah, even before 2.4, there were four manaforges you can farm for scryers, and blood elves go squishy squishy |
| 15:19.32 | Amarande | aldor rep items came from enemies you actually had to worry somewhat about |
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| 15:27.12 | nevcairiel | imho you dont need to worry about either faction anymore 0P |
| 15:30.37 | alestane | Why did ghouls have to get voice lines? |
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| 15:53.09 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Jelly-dear! |
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| 15:58.39 | Kraps | "Most players opt to raise fishing casually when they find themselves with free time" |
| 15:58.56 | Kraps | like when? |
| 15:59.02 | alestane | Then there's Joan. |
| 15:59.14 | alestane | Who had 450 fishing by Saturday. |
| 15:59.26 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps -- sometimes waiting for raid, sometimes there's waiting for boats... |
| 15:59.34 | |Jelly| | ~pounce Peppy |
| 15:59.35 | purl | ACTION jumps on Peppy and bounces around Tigger style |
| 15:59.37 | Lopeppeppy | I used to fish outside SSC all the time waiting for the raid to form and go inside. |
| 15:59.41 | nevcairiel | we had realm first fishing on thursday evening <.< |
| 16:00.32 | Kraps | my fishing isnt high enough for that |
| 16:00.50 | Lopeppeppy | So fish outside the instance on the pipes at the surface? |
| 16:01.28 | Kraps | 155/225 |
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| 16:02.09 | Lopeppeppy | Someone needs to go focus on fishpole skillz. |
| 16:04.26 | Kraps | oh ya? mining 267/300 |
| 16:04.47 | Kraps | cooking 127/150 |
| 16:05.11 | Kraps | i fail at my virtual life |
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| 16:06.41 | Lopeppeppy | Ya. *smile* |
| 16:07.37 | Amarande | hmm |
| 16:07.41 | Amarande | what level is it to get into Dalaran? |
| 16:07.48 | Lopeppeppy | 75, IIRC. |
| 16:07.50 | Kraps | I MUST LEVEL! I MUST! |
| 16:08.04 | Kraps | what? no |
| 16:08.16 | Kraps | the quest maybe |
| 16:08.34 | Kraps | get someone to port you |
| 16:08.41 | Lopeppeppy | Well, true. |
| 16:09.14 | Kraps | then do the quest with the portals |
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| 16:11.02 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, seerah |
| 16:11.59 | cbreak | 74 |
| 16:12.05 | cbreak | I heard |
| 16:12.19 | cbreak | or get a mage/warlock/pvp-queue to help you |
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| 16:15.30 | Amarande | hmm |
| 16:15.37 | Amarande | arena titles are given out 'per bracket per battlegroup'? |
| 16:15.54 | Amarande | does this mean that people who have like, xx99 ratings are better off than ones with ratings one higher? |
| 16:16.00 | Amarande | (I'm a little fuzzy on how the brackets are done ...) |
| 16:16.32 | Amarande | And I finally arrive in Northrend for the first time. :) |
| 16:16.43 | Kraps | whats better for a warrior, deflection or anticipation? |
| 16:16.48 | nevcairiel | the brackets are 2v2 3v3 5v5, not rating based |
| 16:17.57 | nevcairiel | if you have to strictly choose, parry is better, because it gives you a swing reset |
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| 16:18.07 | Kraps | hmm |
| 16:18.28 | nevcairiel | as prot you should get both, anyway :D |
| 16:18.29 | Kraps | i fail at speccing |
| 16:19.56 | Kraps | cant take 5/5 cruely then |
| 16:20.38 | Kraps | or something |
| 16:21.44 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LAZhLZVItrxczibIzsGo |
| 16:21.51 | Kraps | that good? |
| 16:29.26 | Seerah | morning peppy |
| 16:30.05 | Adys | Is it me, or wine, or the graphic card or what? Every single scrollframe (even the talent ui) halves my fps |
| 16:30.10 | Adys | definitely wasnt doing that a while ago |
| 16:30.47 | Amarande | Adys: nVidia or ATI? |
| 16:30.51 | Adys | nvidia |
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| 16:36.53 | Amarande | any other games get graphic slowdowns too? |
| 16:37.06 | Amarande | I know the ATI Linux drivers ride the express train to failville, but I have no idea about the nVidia ones lately |
| 16:38.09 | Kraps | this mining grind is causing physical pain |
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| 16:39.48 | Amarande | Kraps: DK? |
| 16:40.02 | Kraps | my main |
| 16:40.06 | Kraps | warrior |
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| 16:40.34 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik |
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| 16:42.27 | Shirik|Ecole | They see me rollin |
| 16:42.51 | Lopeppeppy | Is that a good thing? |
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| 16:46.14 | Kraps | wtb 5 mining skillups |
| 16:46.40 | Shirik|Ecole | 100000g plz ty |
| 16:46.45 | Kraps | :( |
| 16:47.08 | Gnarfoz | Shirik|Ecole: weird al :O |
| 16:47.15 | Shirik|Ecole | how did you know that |
| 16:47.23 | Shirik|Ecole | Why would you guess that before the real song >< |
| 16:47.29 | Gnarfoz | because. |
| 16:47.31 | Gnarfoz | it's more awesomer. |
| 16:47.37 | Kraps | yes |
| 16:47.44 | Gnarfoz | as is everything from al :D |
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| 16:48.27 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 16:48.50 | Amarande | yay, hopefully 301-375 inscription is way, way easier than 1-300 was |
| 16:49.05 | nevcairiel | you wish |
| 16:49.22 | Amarande | nev: well, any outland herbs will do for that |
| 16:49.39 | nevcairiel | except that noone is farming those anymore |
| 16:49.41 | Amarande | 1-300, in the tradition of all the other 1-300 professions, made you make your paces through about forty zillion different mats |
| 16:49.56 | Amarande | nev: which means they'll actually be there for you to pick up with herbalism |
| 16:49.59 | Amarande | you did take herbalism? :) |
| 16:50.18 | nevcairiel | I did, but i would be way too lazy to gather outland herbs now |
| 16:50.37 | Amarande | what I feel bad for are the folks who are just trying to start alchemy |
| 16:50.39 | nevcairiel | but on that note, if i planned to do inscription, i would have collected a shitload of herbs before the expansion |
| 16:50.54 | alestane | Which I did. |
| 16:50.58 | Amarande | thanks to the way that minor glyph discovery works, scribes are -always- going to be snarfing up the starter herbs |
| 16:50.59 | Lunessa | I happen to have a pretty large stash of Outlands herbs... like 28 stacks. I figure that ought to do it for my inscriptionist. |
| 16:53.18 | alestane | Isn't there another research recipe at higher levels? |
| 16:53.21 | Kraps | can you get to the inside of darkwhisper gorge? |
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| 16:53.42 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 16:53.45 | nevcairiel | there is a tunnel |
| 16:53.45 | Amarande | kraps: you can get pretty much everywhere in darkwhisper gorge, for some of it you have to go through caves |
| 16:53.54 | Amarande | you can even get to this weird place where there's a raid portal blocked off |
| 16:54.01 | nevcairiel | alestane: for major glyphs there is another one, not for minor, iirc |
| 16:54.54 | Yssaril | anyone know if there is a xp gain difference between outland and northrend like there is between old world and outland? |
| 16:55.27 | Yssaril | ie should i go to northrend at 68 or can i keep questin in outland where i know all the quests |
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| 16:58.40 | erikd | there's probably a difference |
| 16:58.46 | Nom- | Keep questing in Outland imo |
| 16:58.56 | erikd | i agree with nom, though |
| 16:59.22 | erikd | leave the big xp quests for when you're 80 and get gold! |
| 16:59.23 | Nom- | If you go into Northrend at 68, you'll find you need to hit both Howling Fjord and Borean to get to a decent level |
| 16:59.41 | Nom- | Otherwise when you hit the higher zones, you'll struggle a bit |
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| 17:09.32 | Kraps | is there a port in shatt to dalaran? |
| 17:11.50 | pompy_ | no |
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| 17:22.33 | Silentspy | wtb AH in dalaran |
| 17:22.43 | Lopeppeppy | Mages are above money. |
| 17:25.15 | Adys | wtb AH under dalaran then |
| 17:25.22 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 17:26.05 | stew_a | does anyone know if there's a limit to the number of elements you can have in a table? |
| 17:30.13 | cbreak | there is a limit I guess |
| 17:30.18 | cbreak | but I doubt you'll hit it |
| 17:30.41 | stew_a | yeah i think i hit it >.< |
| 17:31.40 | cbreak | I've had tables with several thousand entries |
| 17:31.52 | stew_a | anywhere near 300,000? |
| 17:32.05 | cbreak | no, about 20k or so |
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| 17:35.24 | clad|away | So Rogue versus Shaman/Mage |
| 17:35.27 | clad|away | we were killing mobs |
| 17:35.30 | clad|away | all three of us died at the same time |
| 17:35.31 | clad|away | == win |
| 17:35.37 | clad|away | with all the mobs dead :P |
| 17:36.05 | Lopeppeppy | Dead mobs are good mobs, IMO |
| 17:36.30 | cbreak | no. Not if you wait for them to be there for you to kill... |
| 17:38.11 | Lopeppeppy | If I am dead, at least they are too! |
| 17:41.29 | Silentspy | mage pwn shaman |
| 17:41.31 | Silentspy | to hard |
| 17:42.45 | Lunessa | The cardinal rule of defeating encounters - Dead Mobs Deal No Damage. |
| 17:42.58 | kd3 | ~weather kvpc |
| 17:43.07 | kd3 | WTF |
| 17:43.27 | kd3 | it's freaking november. the weather has no business being that damn cold |
| 17:44.50 | Lunessa | Oh man, I'm so Tycho in this: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
| 17:46.44 | Diskmaster | ~weather 68025 |
| 17:46.55 | Diskmaster | ... oh |
| 17:47.59 | Diskmaster | ~weather KFET |
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| 18:06.52 | Lopeppeppy | ~weather kalb |
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| 18:15.48 | Cairenn|afk | ~ugt |
| 18:15.48 | purl | i guess ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 18:16.20 | Kraps | lol |
| 18:19.09 | brykrys | ~weather EGKK |
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| 18:19.40 | Shirik|Ecole | ~weather kdab |
| 18:19.55 | Shirik|Ecole | SO COLD |
| 18:20.27 | Lopeppeppy | ~whalestab shirik |
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| 18:20.37 | Lopeppeppy | No stabs? |
| 18:20.43 | Lopeppeppy | ~whalenuke shirik |
| 18:20.54 | Shirik|Ecole | y |
| 18:21.10 | Lopeppeppy | ~nuke shirik |
| 18:21.10 | Corr-work | i doubt florida gets near what most of the US considers "cold" |
| 18:21.18 | Lopeppeppy | What's up with purl? |
| 18:21.33 | Corr-work | maybe purl doesn't like you |
| 18:21.45 | Corr-work | ~purl |
| 18:21.45 | purl | ACTION coughs up a hairball |
| 18:22.00 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 18:22.00 | purl | aw, gee, Lopeppeppy |
| 18:22.13 | Lunessa | ~lart Lunessa |
| 18:22.13 | purl | farts in Lunessa's general direction |
| 18:22.15 | Lopeppeppy | She does ugt and airports okay, but doesn't attack... hey.... |
| 18:22.24 | Lopeppeppy | ~whalenuke Lopeppeppy |
| 18:22.33 | Lopeppeppy | Or is that not the right nuke command? |
| 18:22.35 | Shirik|Ecole | I think someone deleted all the whalefu :( |
| 18:22.39 | Shirik|Ecole | ~literal whalenuke |
| 18:22.46 | Lopeppeppy | Oh no! |
| 18:22.51 | Shirik|Ecole | ~literal CMD: whalenuke (.*?) |
| 18:22.51 | purl | "cmd: whalenuke (.*?)" is "($n): <action> dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around $n with his mind powers." |
| 18:22.54 | Corr-work | nice how it just... doesn't respond at all |
| 18:22.57 | Shirik|Ecole | or maybe purl's just broken |
| 18:22.59 | Lunessa | ~lolspeak |
| 18:23.04 | Lunessa | :P |
| 18:23.22 | Lopeppeppy | So I had the right command, she's just lazy today... |
| 18:23.29 | Corr-work | purl, stop being lazy |
| 18:28.49 | Shirik|Ecole | soooo who wants to be a guinea pig? |
| 18:29.03 | Lopeppeppy | *tentative squeak* For what? |
| 18:29.18 | Shirik|Ecole | I wrote an addon to reduce achievement spam |
| 18:29.30 | Josh_Borke | didn't shadowed make one too? |
| 18:29.32 | Shirik|Ecole | example: Guildies all do the same instance and all get the achievement at the end |
| 18:29.35 | Shirik|Ecole | .... did he? |
| 18:29.39 | Shirik|Ecole | Well mine's better :( |
| 18:29.57 | Josh_Borke | oh, i'm sure :-) |
| 18:34.36 | bnovc | on(achievement) { gquit } |
| 18:35.05 | Shirik|Ecole | ~lart bnovc |
| 18:35.05 | purl | whips bnovc with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 18:36.22 | bnovc | huh, didn't even know of the word lart |
| 18:36.35 | bnovc | and after reading the wikipedia article, see no reason for it to exist |
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| 18:37.42 | Shirik|Ecole | easy to type :) |
| 18:38.21 | kd3 | whee. locally updated copy of cart herb... now to wonder if I want to push it upstream |
| 18:39.36 | alestane | I switched to Gathermate on Xinhuan's advising and I'm quite happy so far. |
| 18:40.19 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 18:40.36 | kd3 | xin; does it do the minimap blip drawing thing like cart? |
| 18:40.38 | Shirik|Ecole | email from one of the other teachers of my lab: |
| 18:40.39 | Shirik|Ecole | Tutoring sessions will be canceled for next week due to the Thanksgiving Holiday. Unfortunately, myself and Darryl will both be out of town starting Tuesday. |
| 18:40.40 | alestane | It just needs a "full sync" function. |
| 18:40.40 | ArrowmasterClass | kd3: the projects were abandoned, you better not |
| 18:40.51 | Xinhuan | kd3: yes |
| 18:40.51 | Shirik|Ecole | Translation: Tutoring sessions are cancelled. If you have problems, talk to Shirik |
| 18:40.55 | kd3 | whee |
| 18:40.55 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 18:41.00 | Xinhuan | but it does it better |
| 18:41.08 | Xinhuan | with different colors per profession (customizable) |
| 18:41.18 | Xinhuan | or even whether you want them to turn into circles or not |
| 18:41.54 | Xinhuan | also allows reparenting to sexyhud's 2nd minimap overlay, or chinchilla's 2nd minimap expander map |
| 18:41.56 | Lopeppeppy | I just want to know where to farm! Yar. |
| 18:42.07 | Xinhuan | do you use Routes? ;p |
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| 18:42.34 | Lopeppeppy | I don't. *grimace* |
| 18:42.36 | Xinhuan | anyone not using Routes is missing out! |
| 18:42.48 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11401-Routes.html |
| 18:43.19 | Lopeppeppy | Routes does me no good without a gathering thingie, nu? |
| 18:43.29 | alestane | Routes is the main reason I switched to GatherMate over Gatherer. |
| 18:43.44 | Xinhuan | i suppose so, if you have no toons with a gathering profession heh |
| 18:44.43 | Lopeppeppy | No, you read me wrong, Xinhuan. |
| 18:45.04 | Lopeppeppy | Routes does me no good without a nodes map to draw routes ON, so I need one of the gatherer-addons first, right? |
| 18:45.10 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 18:45.22 | Xinhuan | well my recommendation is Mapster + GatherMate + Routes |
| 18:45.28 | Xinhuan | then throw in TomTom and HandyNotes :) |
| 18:45.49 | Xinhuan | since all of those addons have inter-addon support for each other |
| 18:46.36 | Lopeppeppy | Why on earth do I need all of that? *shudder* |
| 18:46.50 | Xinhuan | oh you can install the ones you need and throw away the ones you don't ;p |
| 18:46.52 | Tem|afk | Lopeppeppy, trust for everything but handynotes |
| 18:47.04 | alestane | I'm happy with GatherMate, GatherMate_Sharing and Routes. |
| 18:47.34 | Shirik|Ecole | Sanity check: Binary search is O(nlogn) ? |
| 18:47.46 | Xinhuan | don't really need _sharing if you import from gathermate_data though |
| 18:48.05 | alestane | Xinhuan: Building a map is half the fun of farming for me though. |
| 18:48.19 | Xinhuan | hence the "if" part hehe |
| 18:50.35 | Xinhuan | err, isn't binary search log(base2)n ? |
| 18:50.51 | Shirik|Ecole | that would mean O(logn) |
| 18:51.09 | Shirik|Ecole | I guess that's right |
| 18:51.21 | Shirik|Ecole | But now I'm trying to figure out why the FFT is O(nlogn) instead of O(logn) |
| 18:51.54 | Xinhuan | so you have an extra loop somewhere |
| 18:52.13 | Shirik|Ecole | It's just decimation in time, you do the same thing, you keep splitting it into 2 |
| 18:52.20 | Shirik|Ecole | Oh wait, but you go down both paths instead of just one :) |
| 18:52.21 | Shirik|Ecole | That's it |
| 18:52.52 | bnovc | Shirik|Ecole: what do you tutor? |
| 18:53.14 | Shirik|Ecole | realtime systems and microcontrollers/microprocessors |
| 18:53.24 | Shirik|Ecole | and Java |
| 18:53.30 | Shirik|Ecole | only Java right now to fill in for someone else |
| 18:53.37 | bnovc | what uni? |
| 18:53.43 | Shirik|Ecole | erau.edu |
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| 18:54.26 | bnovc | i need to stop procrastinating about applying to grad school |
| 18:54.31 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 18:54.34 | Shirik|Ecole | Okay I have to go home now |
| 18:59.22 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: To sum up: GatherMate is a nice, lightweight node marker that works with the minimap and main map. GatherMate_Data is a precollected set of nodes for it. GatherMate_Sharing allows people in the same party or guild to get the same new nodes you do. Routes helps you plan out efficient ways to visit all these nodes. |
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| 18:59.51 | Lopeppeppy | TomTom makes arrows, and I bet the other one makes notes. |
| 19:00.53 | alestane | I don't use those, at least not yet. |
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| 19:10.02 | Dashkal | Anybody here using the authenticator and a wine/cedega wow install? Just wanna make sure there's no snags before I activate thist hing |
| 19:10.13 | kd3 | no probs at all |
| 19:10.21 | kd3 | as long as wow works the auth won't make a difference |
| 19:10.42 | Dashkal | sweet. I couldn't think of anything that would break, but not something I'm gonna poke at just to find out :p |
| 19:10.55 | Ithato | kd3: the authenticator doesn't really interact with your pc physically, right? |
| 19:11.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Ithato: it does not |
| 19:11.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Ithato: it is an entirely disconnected device |
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| 19:11.47 | Dashkal | Ithato: I was more concerned that some obscure wine bug would break that part of the process or some other such random thing |
| 19:11.56 | Dashkal | Very unlikely, but doesn't hurt to ask first |
| 19:12.01 | kd3 | nope. just tcp calls back and forth |
| 19:12.06 | Ithato | Dashkal: righto |
| 19:13.15 | Dashkal | there. if the gbank gets emptied again, it won't be my fault (wasn't mine last time either, but mmm <tinfoilhat>) |
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| 19:51.15 | Lunessa | ... more /tinfoilhat |
| 19:54.47 | Lunessa | I just spent 40 minutes digging around in web site CMS config files, for nothing. *sigh8 |
| 19:57.45 | Lunessa | Joomla - lots and lots of config files for a very poorly configured site. And did you know, that the php file for doing main site config stores the pwd in clear text? |
| 19:58.05 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet! |
| 19:58.13 | Lopeppeppy | Ours is coldfusion based, not php based. |
| 19:59.28 | Lunessa | It was just lots and lots of wasted effort, when the old admin could have just said to the new one "joomla front end is "here" and login is "X". |
| 19:59.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: most do, but most are stored as .php so it's never user visible |
| 19:59.54 | ScytheBlade1 | If the password was stored as .txt or .inc then you've got issues |
| 20:00.44 | Lunessa | Yeah, I figured that was the case. It just irritated me that a) the old admin basically said "Fuck you" and the new admin is as clueless as a box of sedimentary rock. |
| 20:00.50 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 20:00.56 | ScytheBlade1 | People are stupid |
| 20:01.20 | ScytheBlade1 | IT workers are either stupid or they're just arrogant and lacking sleep |
| 20:01.54 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch, ScytheBlade1. |
| 20:01.58 | ScytheBlade1 | It's true! |
| 20:02.03 | ScytheBlade1 | (<-- IT worker) |
| 20:02.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 20:02.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, those IT workers who don't have to deal with the public at large, rather |
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| 20:03.05 | Lunessa | Well, I'm an IT guy. And I know I'm a) lazy, b) arrogant, c) often too tired to tell the difference. |
| 20:03.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, same |
| 20:04.07 | Lunessa | The scary part was I had the admin password to the site host. I could have just changed all the passwords and told everyone to "fuck off" but took the politically expedient way out. |
| 20:04.19 | Lopeppeppy | I'm an IT ish support girl. I work hard, I wish I could do more, and after I burn out I'll be just like you two!!! :P |
| 20:04.56 | Lunessa | Never! You're too sweet. |
| 20:05.24 | Lopeppeppy | The hell you say. |
| 20:05.29 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a difference between support and administration/maint :) |
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| 20:16.15 | Arrowmaster | depends on what kinda administration/maint |
| 20:17.23 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, define the two. I bet I do a bit of both, in a lot of ways. *cries* |
| 20:17.53 | alestane | ~comfort Lopeppeppy |
| 20:18.13 | alestane | purl definitely seems to be out of it. |
| 20:18.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: you're support desk. You don't keep the programs running. You're required to have a smile on your face, which means you probably do anyway. Those who keep the programs running aren't. There's hope for you. :) |
| 20:18.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ccox: *cackles* |
| 20:19.04 | Corr-work | i do not envy the employees of our customer support department |
| 20:19.04 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, I'm just support for the CMS product. I also program it and make the pages and teach the classes for it. |
| 20:19.15 | Lopeppeppy | It's like... it owns my life. |
| 20:19.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: "There's hope for you. :)" |
| 20:19.55 | Arrowmaster | wait until you run into the guys that have to keep corp networks running |
| 20:21.00 | ScytheBlade1 | There is your difference. |
| 20:21.30 | Lunessa | See, I'm technically "support" but I'm also an Exchange and Domain admin. |
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| 20:22.04 | Lunessa | But only not really. because the "real" domain and Exchange admins have given me access to only a limited sub-set of things. So... |
| 20:22.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: so if I added an A record for your AD domain pointing to 127.0.0.1, how insane would you be driven and for how long? |
| 20:22.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 20:22.27 | ScytheBlade1 | In that case, I recommend adding an A record pointing to 127.0.0.1. That'll drive THEM insane very quickly |
| 20:22.39 | Lunessa | Not long actually. The kinds of problems that would turn up would be pretty obvious. |
| 20:22.59 | Arrowmaster | fuck that add an entire new tld to the dns server! .local |
| 20:22.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Only after half the company magically broke while the other half kept working fine |
| 20:22.59 | Lunessa | Like "ZOMG, the web site is down!" |
| 20:23.16 | Lunessa | Actually, you'd only get 25%. |
| 20:23.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh? |
| 20:23.38 | Lunessa | Yay node distribution with delays to mirroring. |
| 20:24.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe, but keep in mind it'd probably take at least an hour for the clients to pick it up |
| 20:24.05 | Lunessa | But you'd knock out the top level domain pretty surely. |
| 20:24.29 | Lunessa | All our other domains attached to it would get munged later. |
| 20:24.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I can break stuff in all sorts of fun, subtle ways :) |
| 20:24.55 | Lunessa | Now, if you knocked out our oracle servers... We might actually applaud. |
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| 20:29.31 | Lopeppeppy | I'd just pour maple syrup all over the physical servers. Nom nom zap nom. |
| 20:30.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Time delay here. ;) |
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| 20:31.43 | Lunessa | I just want to accelerate the servers to precisely 88 miles per hour when I activate the flux capacitor and make time travel possible. |
| 20:32.16 | kd3 | whee, 80 |
| 20:32.19 | ScytheBlade1 | grats |
| 20:32.25 | Lopeppeppy | Grats, kd3. |
| 20:32.57 | Lunessa | Who's the Gnome? kd3 is the gnome! Level 80. You're the gnome now, dawg! |
| 20:33.21 | Arrowmaster | grrr how the fuck do so many people not understand the concept of copyright http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=254695&postcount=19 |
| 20:33.43 | Arrowmaster | hope the wowi mods catch it |
| 20:33.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ^ |
| 20:33.51 | Lunessa | die die die code theif. |
| 20:35.13 | Lopeppeppy | PS: It's acceptance. Exception is what's gonna be taken... acception is not a word. |
| 20:35.37 | Thrae | Lopeppeppy: I take acception to that remark. |
| 20:36.01 | Lopeppeppy | Crai me a ribbver |
| 20:39.27 | duaiwe | hah. http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2008/11/21/the_mormon_agenda |
| 20:39.42 | Ithato | this'll be good |
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| 20:42.35 | alestane | What kind of a name is "Wibblebonk", anyway? |
| 20:43.18 | Lopeppeppy | Dunken Master. |
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| 20:47.26 | FerrousMagus | is there some common reason for me to be missing UNIT_RUNIC_POWER events? |
| 20:47.26 | FerrousMagus | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/102427 |
| 20:47.26 | FerrousMagus | I get maybe 2 out of 3 events: eg I see the Blizzard runic power bar ticking down smoothly, but I only get events at say 60, 59, 57, missing 58 |
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| 20:48.16 | Arrowmaster | because the client estimates power bar changes now |
| 20:48.26 | FerrousMagus | ooh |
| 20:48.33 | FerrousMagus | so the events aren't sent consistently? |
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| 20:49.56 | FerrousMagus | i don't think i want to try to do my own interpolation - is there a lib or something to help me w/ that, or are most people just letting it slide? |
| 20:50.35 | alestane | I don't think you actually have to interpolate, the client is doing that for you. |
| 20:51.02 | Lunessa | I am so mean: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12890952076&sid=1 |
| 20:51.28 | Josh_Borke | FerrousMagus: from what i remember, UnitPower (or whatever it is) interpolates and synchronizes on UNIT_POWER type events |
| 20:51.47 | Josh_Borke | FerrousMagus: so in that sense you can just use the API instead of interpolating based on events |
| 20:51.54 | |pez| | sorry. |
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| 20:52.19 | FerrousMagus | right, right |
| 20:52.26 | FerrousMagus | but my numbers won't tick down smoothly |
| 20:52.27 | Josh_Borke | |pez|: as you should be! |
| 20:52.54 | Ithato|Work | Lunessa: meh, but either way, i'd never heard of Goose before, I'll have to check that out |
| 20:52.57 | Josh_Borke | FerrousMagus: why not? what are they ticking down? |
| 20:53.15 | |pez| | Josh_Borke: ;___; |
| 20:53.23 | Josh_Borke | ~gift |pez| |
| 20:53.30 | Josh_Borke | purl, give |pez| a gift |
| 20:53.32 | FerrousMagus | Josh_Borke: the runic power event doesn't fire every 'quantum' of power - i get an event at say 60, then 59, then 57 |
| 20:53.34 | Josh_Borke | ~hug |pez| |
| 20:53.39 | FerrousMagus | so if i update the ui on each event |
| 20:53.41 | FerrousMagus | i miss 58 |
| 20:54.01 | alestane | purl seems to be having a catatonic crisis of some kind. |
| 20:54.03 | Lunessa | Ithato|Work: That wasn't meant for your question, it was unrealted to your runic power stuff. |
| 20:54.19 | Josh_Borke | what are you trying to show? are you trying to show your current runic power? if so, why not just show the current runic power as given by the UnitPower("player") instead of waiting for an event? |
| 20:54.44 | FerrousMagus | Josh_Borke: maybe i'm looking at it the wrong way |
| 20:54.51 | |pez| | Josh_Borke: it's okkeh, the gift can wait§ :D |
| 20:54.52 | FerrousMagus | if you were going to show current runic power |
| 20:54.57 | FerrousMagus | how would you update the number? |
| 20:55.09 | Thrae | Cairenn: http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5364/catlt7.jpg <-- happy cat loves you |
| 20:55.21 | FerrousMagus | my instinct was to subscribe to the runic power event and update then |
| 20:55.23 | Cairenn | awwww, kitty! |
| 20:55.30 | bleeter | KarlKFI: is it my imagination, or did you change the Cosmos packaging again recently? Originally, you'd stuff yer stuff into your zips with an Interface/AddOns structure, then (I believe) you followed the 'convention' and not include those folders in the zips, and checking today those folders are back. |
| 20:56.01 | Ithato|Work | Cairenn: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/cat_proximity.png |
| 20:56.02 | Josh_Borke | FerrousMagus: i would set an OnUpdate that updated every 0.5 seconds and output the result of UnitPower |
| 20:56.09 | bleeter | KarlKFI: (with reference to direct downloading, I'm not using a manager of any type) |
| 20:56.14 | FerrousMagus | won't that be way more resource intensive? |
| 20:56.24 | Josh_Borke | not appreciably |
| 20:56.26 | KarlKFI | well, Gryphon might have tweaked the packaging |
| 20:56.28 | Cairenn | Ithato|Work: lol, I've seen that before, it's cute |
| 20:56.43 | Ithato|Work | and oh so true, myself included =P |
| 20:56.43 | KarlKFI | I think i changed it to not include Interface/AddOns a while back |
| 20:56.58 | Josh_Borke | FerrousMagus: specifically it is to say if you want smooth updating then update in a smooth way, if you want less resource intensive then be completely event driven with good code |
| 20:57.15 | KarlKFI | by Gryphon took over packaging and maintaining svn, i haven't touched it since my last news post |
| 20:57.21 | FerrousMagus | yeah, sounds like i'll have to make that decision |
| 20:57.47 | Josh_Borke | i always judged my code against how blizzard did it |
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| 20:57.56 | Gryphen | i reverted it to stop it from overwriting every hour, forgot that path was part of your changes |
| 20:58.09 | Josh_Borke | if they default blizzard interface is coded well enough to be deployed everywhere then my code could be at least that good/smooth |
| 20:58.21 | FerrousMagus | of course |
| 20:58.30 | Gryphen | i am only submitting stuff to help people transition to finding official releases on the db sites etc |
| 20:59.01 | KarlKFI | yeah, I don't really mind if the packaging breaks something lol |
| 20:59.35 | FerrousMagus | Josh_Borke: thanks for the help - i'm now noticing that most of the mods i've been looking at for examples do it with onupdate :) |
| 20:59.44 | bleeter | KarlKFI, Gryphen: rightios. thanks for the explanation, I'll just revert my downloader shell script to back where it was before the change before the current change (I think I got that description right, lol). no biggie, just wanted 'to be sure to be sure' :) |
| 21:00.29 | KarlKFI | should really be pulling them from non-cosmos sources where availible |
| 21:00.48 | KarlKFI | all the mods i'm still maintaining are on wowi |
| 21:00.56 | Gryphen | ya, im not going to be submitting updates much more |
| 21:01.01 | bleeter | KarlKFI: yup, read ya loud and clear. part of the 'readjustment' will be tracking down 'new' availablity elsewhere |
| 21:02.39 | bleeter | fwiw, the one that started my discovery off, was on my newly built machine, lack of 'better item count' hehe |
| 21:02.59 | KarlKFI | did that break? |
| 21:03.07 | KarlKFI | i really haven't modified that in years |
| 21:03.18 | bleeter | nah, just my downloader failed to unpack it correctly |
| 21:03.42 | KarlKFI | i'm not maintaining that elsewhere however, I don't have a hunter to test it on |
| 21:03.51 | bleeter | and I was 'wth isn't that working'. you know how it gets, end up addicted to certain addons even if alternates are avail elsewhere |
| 21:04.01 | bleeter | or if the project gets orphaned |
| 21:04.10 | bleeter | as I say, no biggie at all :) |
| 21:04.44 | KarlKFI | i dunno who wrote it orig. I think it might have been me converting from an old FrameXML hack... |
| 21:05.23 | KarlKFI | but i honestly don't remember, it's like 5 lines if i remember |
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| 21:06.15 | bleeter | yeah, wasn't really a case of I really need it, just noticed it when it wasn't there anymore =)) |
| 21:06.52 | bleeter | then I noticed the download stuff, etc. etc. etc. for once, I'm not moaning, I understand your 'retirement' and stuff (for want of a better term) :) |
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| 21:10.18 | KarlKFI | Cosmos Abandonment |
| 21:10.40 | KarlKFI | Reduction in Hours |
| 21:10.54 | bleeter | Increase in Sanity? |
| 21:10.59 | KarlKFI | somewhat |
| 21:11.09 | Lopeppeppy | Sanity? |
| 21:11.10 | Lopeppeppy | Huh? |
| 21:11.15 | bleeter | WHUT |
| 21:11.22 | bleeter | SSSHAAAARRRRONNNNN |
| 21:11.31 | KarlKFI | Shedding of Sheeple |
| 21:11.48 | bleeter | What's your #?@$$% game??? |
| 21:12.18 | bleeter | for those who ain't seen/heard, Ozzy Ozbourne's done a 'what's your game' advert |
| 21:12.33 | bleeter | soundtrack, 'Crazy Train' from his debut solo album 'Blizzard of Ozz' |
| 21:12.38 | alestane | Saw it air last night, actually. |
| 21:15.50 | bleeter | alestane: did you burst out laughing? |
| 21:16.05 | alestane | Well, I'd also seen it on the website. |
| 21:16.15 | alestane | I wouldn't have recognized the song. |
| 21:16.22 | alestane | BUt I pointed it out to my friends. |
| 21:16.25 | bleeter | mate of mine's mum, who is about 60 years old, rang him up when she saw it |
| 21:16.38 | bleeter | 'you wouldn't believe what I just saw lololol' was the apprent content of her phone call |
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| 21:29.06 | foxlit | where are you hiding, sigils? |
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| 21:34.17 | bleeter | oO did Monte Krol just let slip Nethaera's full name? |
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| 21:37.50 | Dewin | ? |
| 21:38.32 | alestane | Dammit, who did I just mail this grinding stone to? |
| 21:38.33 | Duman | it was on her badge at blizzcon :P |
| 21:38.41 | bleeter | Duman: ah, fair enough hehe |
| 21:38.50 | Duman | alestane: yes, btw "sent mail" view |
| 21:38.56 | Duman | s/btw/wtb/ |
| 21:38.56 | bleeter | couldn't read it from this distance ;) |
| 21:39.48 | bleeter | Duman: it's one of the two reasons I use ctmailmod |
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| 21:40.33 | bleeter | ingame would be nice, though. can't imagine how many GM tickets are created due to 'missing' mail where a simple 30 day log would help. would take bugger all server storage space. |
| 21:40.39 | NightHawkTheSane | you really CAN find /anything/ on the internet. >< http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2008/11/21/suicide_net |
| 21:41.21 | bleeter | wth... hillary as secretary of state? :/ |
| 21:41.48 | Duman | bleeter: thing is, it's logged anyway... |
| 21:42.15 | bleeter | Duman: of course, yeah.. it's morning, still not thinking straight. just need UI exposure to it |
| 21:42.30 | Duman | hehe :) |
| 21:45.08 | p3lim | I would like to know the possible arguments for the following lines in this pastey: http://pastey.net/102434 |
| 21:46.27 | alestane | What all of them? That's the configurations for SecureGroupHeaderTemplate, isn't it? |
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| 21:47.14 | p3lim | yeah thats the possible attributes for party headers |
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| 21:47.54 | p3lim | at the moment I create 8 headers and filter them to their according raid group, but there must be a better way to do this through attributes |
| 21:48.29 | bleeter | wtb: Win32 ingame UI function to disable the bloody 'Windows' keys on the keyboard |
| 21:49.04 | p3lim | the ones im wondering about are the ones that has a possible string as an argument |
| 21:49.45 | p3lim | bleeter: try SharpKeys, its freeware |
| 21:50.39 | bleeter | p3lim: can you set it so it only disables stuff when certain windows are selected/forground? |
| 21:50.40 | p3lim | I use it to make my mac keyboard US layout work with my usual layout (NO) |
| 21:50.46 | p3lim | no, it can not |
| 21:51.07 | p3lim | it just makes the possible registery hacks easier to set |
| 21:51.10 | bleeter | I had something else, 'disablethisdamnannoyingkey.exe' or similar, it couldn't selectively disable and it annoyed me that I had to turn it off when I alt-tabbed |
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| 21:52.40 | End | I should just reroll |
| 21:52.48 | End | I'm getting camped by a prot warrior :X |
| 21:53.49 | Lunessa | Anyone have a handly link to the commercials? |
| 21:54.29 | alestane | Right from the first page of worldofwarcraft.com |
| 21:55.08 | Lunessa | Yeah, in a collapsed box. No wonder i didn't see it. |
| 21:55.52 | p3lim | clad|away: ping |
| 21:55.54 | Xinhuan | rofl at this nesingwary quest to shoot apples on a person's head. if you target something else and use it, it gives "What are you doing? Only aim that thing at Wilhelm!" in UIErrorsFrame |
| 21:56.42 | bleeter | Lunessa: habthemage is the YouTube user who's uploading Blizz adverts, so.. http://au.youtube.com/user/habthemage |
| 21:57.07 | bleeter | that's who Blizz are linking to from their home page, so I presume he's the 'official' uploader |
| 21:57.38 | kd3 | fail |
| 21:57.38 | bleeter | some bloke called Ryan |
| 21:57.46 | kd3 | I reported a sheepable dragon in beta |
| 21:57.49 | kd3 | it's still sheepable |
| 21:58.02 | bleeter | game breaking? |
| 21:58.13 | kd3 | nah. just a mistag |
| 21:59.01 | bleeter | i'd noticed that people were no longer bitching about the plane thing in the quarry in HF... then I realised.. DOH.. I'm Horde, prolly don't have that quest anyway >< |
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| 22:01.06 | Lunessa | I still like the Willie Toledo commercial the best. |
| 22:02.10 | bleeter | I'm waiting for the christian zealot lobby response to the ozzy ad 'see told you warcraft was evil!' |
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| 22:04.39 | kd3 | rofl. "Jaloot says: Vic...tor...ious! Dun nun nun dun da da!" |
| 22:05.09 | cogwheel | so... i didn't think i could look any gayer than http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/cogfruit.jpg |
| 22:05.15 | cogwheel | but then i got a wand... |
| 22:05.17 | cogwheel | http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/cogfruit2.jpg |
| 22:05.31 | Lunessa | oy! |
| 22:05.32 | |pez| | lol :D |
| 22:05.37 | kd3 | ouch |
| 22:05.42 | kd3 | memories of the aq40 pink gear |
| 22:05.45 | Duman | bwahaha |
| 22:05.54 | Lunessa | mortycog is a pritty, pritty princess! |
| 22:12.06 | clad|away | p3lim: sup |
| 22:12.31 | cladhaire | ~wowalert |
| 22:12.32 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 22:12.33 | p3lim | cladhaire: youve got alot of experience with securehandlers right? |
| 22:12.41 | cladhaire | not really, no |
| 22:12.43 | cladhaire | but feel free to ask |
| 22:14.00 | p3lim | at the moment I create 8 headers and filter them to their according raid group, but there must be a better way to do this through attributes |
| 22:15.33 | p3lim | the issue with using 1 header for the job while showing 8 seperate raid groups is that the groups will not fill properly |
| 22:16.01 | p3lim | say one member in group 4 is gone, then the whole raid will fill down using just attributes |
| 22:16.17 | p3lim | spawning 8 groups will fill properly though |
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| 22:32.22 | AbsoRayne | Im one point off my 'Did Somebody Order a Knuckel Sandwich?' Achievement |
| 22:32.24 | AbsoRayne | :( |
| 22:38.32 | Lunessa | heh, when I got that in beta, someone piped up with "Oh, a tough guy, eh?" in /g |
| 22:47.53 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: I don't see it uploaded so I assume someone took care of it appropriately |
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| 22:57.32 | cogwheel | Lunessa: miki says she has > 200 auctions up already... we just joined the realm what.. tuesday? |
| 22:57.52 | Lunessa | Yeah. miki is srs auction bsns |
| 22:58.36 | cogwheel | not to mention she just dinged 26... O.O |
| 22:59.25 | Lunessa | 0.o |
| 22:59.39 | Corr-work | most impressive |
| 22:59.47 | Corr-work | glad somebody gets enjoyment out of that monster |
| 23:00.41 | Lunessa | I'm out. Going home. :) |
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| 23:22.29 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Birthday Cogwheel!! |
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| 23:53.42 | Cralor` | I cannot seem to find my issue here. I have a checkbox that is -suppose- to unlock and lock some frames OnClick. I have the areas highlighted: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/102445/49:58:59:120:121:122:123:124:238 |
