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| 00:31.11 | Cidan | HORRAY! |
| 00:31.13 | Cidan | FUCK YES! |
| 00:31.28 | Cidan | An officer in my guild had his account hacked, we lost our entire guild bank! |
| 00:31.29 | Cidan | WOOHOO! |
| 00:31.48 | Dashkal | that reminds me... time to hook up my authenticator |
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| 00:33.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan: which is why I don't even give officers gbank withdrawl rights! |
| 00:33.56 | Gnarfoz | with drawl? :D> |
| 00:34.13 | ScytheBlade1 | sigh |
| 00:34.15 | ScytheBlade1 | head hurts =[ |
| 00:34.17 | Tekkub | withdrawrl |
| 00:34.59 | Cidan | width drawrl? |
| 00:36.21 | Gnarfoz | width draw rl |
| 00:37.56 | Lunessa | that is "teh suk" |
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| 00:45.18 | linear` | quick question if im doing a setattribute "macrotext" is "/use 14 /cast Flash Heal" a valid string |
| 00:50.17 | alestane | You'll do better with "/use 14\n/cast Flash Heal" |
| 00:51.14 | mikma | #showtooltip |
| 00:51.14 | mikma | /cast [form:1] Faerie Fire (Feral)(Rank 6); [form:3] Faerie Fire (Feral)(Rank 6); Faerie Fire(Rank 6) |
| 00:51.17 | mikma | <3 |
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| 00:52.53 | alestane | Um, mikma? |
| 00:53.11 | alestane | Oh, NVM. |
| 00:53.25 | linear` | um |
| 00:53.36 | linear` | can i execute a buttons macrotext with a /script |
| 00:53.43 | alestane | Nope. |
| 00:54.14 | alestane | Just from the button being clicked (directly or indrectly). |
| 00:54.24 | linear` | and binding? |
| 00:54.36 | alestane | A key bound to the button will work too. |
| 00:55.21 | linear` | k thanks |
| 00:55.31 | zenzelezz | ... and just when I think porn is the only option, my net comes back up. This mus be a sign |
| 00:55.35 | linear` | trying to make a mount macro so it works for dalaran |
| 00:55.41 | zenzelezz | back to leveling! |
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| 00:59.06 | alestane | linear`: You're doing that with a script from day one then. |
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| 00:59.49 | linear` | what do you mean |
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| 01:00.40 | alestane | You can't control macrotext execution from zone information, unless you're planning on changing the button's macrotext whenever you zone. |
| 01:01.15 | alestane | But you can call mount functions directly from a script, so that's probably the easiest way to do it. Look at the code for BlazingSaddles or Livestock. |
| 01:01.31 | Kraps | anyone listen to the wowinsider show on wow radio and stopped when it went solo? |
| 01:01.34 | linear` | ill just use ZONE_CHANGED then look at getrealzonetext and getsubzonetext |
| 01:01.59 | linear` | ah k |
| 01:02.01 | linear` | sounds easier |
| 01:02.24 | Dewin | So... if you autoattack a training dummy, you don't get kicked out for being idle. |
| 01:02.30 | Dewin | I wonder how long until Blizzard fixes that. |
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| 01:02.50 | Dewin | Someone in my guild was autoattacking it all night long so he wouldn't have a queue when he got up in the morning. |
| 01:03.44 | sacarasc | heh |
| 01:05.04 | Shirik | you know Dewin |
| 01:05.14 | Shirik | that only causes queue times to skyrocket |
| 01:05.35 | Hirsute | Exactly why I wonder how long it will be until Blizz fixes that problem. |
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| 01:05.58 | Shirik | If I were you I'd yell at him, and if he continues, report him. Even if he was in my guild. But I don't tolerate that stuff. |
| 01:06.04 | Shirik | not saying you should, only saying what I would do |
| 01:08.29 | WobWork | ~serveralert |
| 01:08.45 | Shirik | he doesn't respond to that right now |
| 01:08.52 | WobWork | purl? |
| 01:08.54 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:09.03 | WobWork | I was hoping for the url =) |
| 01:09.15 | Shirik | sec |
| 01:09.44 | Shirik | wget -O - http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert > /home/mpdelbuono/spambot/alert && md5sum /home/mpdelbuono/spambot/alert > /home/mpdelbuono/spambot/USMD5 |
| 01:09.44 | Shirik | wget -O - http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert > /home/mpdelbuono/spambot/alerteu && md5sum /home/mpdelbuono/spambot/alerteu > /home/mpdelbuono/spambot/EUMD5 |
| 01:09.45 | Shirik | there you go |
| 01:10.12 | WobWork | thank you =) |
| 01:10.41 | WobWork | wtb google automatica time conversions |
| 01:10.51 | Shirik | that being said |
| 01:10.59 | Shirik | I haven't seen Shiibot make any updates lately, has there been no new alert? |
| 01:11.13 | WobWork | I assume the latest message has been an update |
| 01:11.22 | WobWork | November 17, 2008 12:30pm PST |
| 01:11.25 | Shirik | oh no he's still updating |
| 01:11.46 | Shirik | I just was asleep when he did it |
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| 01:13.03 | Shirik | Cidan: I just thought of something to add to conspiracy units |
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| 01:18.03 | Gnarfoz | WobWork: ~wowalert |
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| 01:24.19 | ANTRat | anyone know the lua equilivant of /chatwho? |
| 01:24.39 | JoshBorke | Shirik|AFK: fail? |
| 01:24.56 | JoshBorke | Shirik|AFK: in response to your 20:13:03 <@Shirik> Cidan: I just thought of something to add to conspiracy units" |
| 01:27.00 | WobWork | Gnarfoz: ta |
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| 01:31.08 | Lunessa | ./tinfoilhat |
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| 01:37.20 | Shirik | I <3 you all |
| 01:38.25 | Shirik | :( no response |
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| 01:43.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i <3 you too, Shirik |
| 01:43.53 | Shirik | So I was watching this presentation on hacking the xbox, how people managed to break through its defenses etc. |
| 01:43.58 | Shirik | Microsoft made a ton of stupid mistakes |
| 01:44.48 | Shirik | They were really lazy. Like when the xbox detects a corrupt bootloader, it intentionally crashes by letting the last few instructions on the ROM execute and then falling off into nothingness (where no memory is) |
| 01:45.05 | Shirik | They couldn't, you know, halt the system with a real instruction....? |
| 01:45.09 | Corrodias | uh... wow |
| 01:45.23 | Corrodias | so those last few instructions. what if one is a jump? |
| 01:45.31 | Shirik | No that's in ROM so it won't change |
| 01:45.33 | Shirik | but here's the problem |
| 01:45.41 | Shirik | That works on AMD, which was their original processor |
| 01:45.42 | Lunessa | parfaits are /delicious/. |
| 01:46.01 | Shirik | when they switched to Intel's processor, though, they forgot about a backwards compatibility feature that's in all of Intel's processors since the 486 |
| 01:46.23 | Corrodias | i like where this is going |
| 01:46.38 | Shirik | If you go "off memory" into something that doesn't exist, it is always read as 0x90 (a NOP). Finally, you'll reach 0xFFFFFFFF, the last byte addressable, and then you'll wrap around to 0x00000000 |
| 01:46.50 | Shirik | And it just so happens that 0x00000000 is able to be written to :) |
| 01:47.06 | Shirik | So instead of crashing like it should, it just goes straight to your code :) |
| 01:47.36 | Corrodias | hilarity ensues |
| 01:47.41 | Gnarfoz | any link to that presentation? |
| 01:47.43 | Shirik | Amusingly, AMD never implemented this "feature" because they considered it a security risk (they wrote a paper on this in '96) |
| 01:47.55 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: I'd have to get it for you, don't have it with me right now. |
| 01:48.00 | Shirik | But this is only one of many things |
| 01:48.09 | Shirik | This presentation was really cool :) |
| 01:51.19 | Shirik | ok well I found my friend that showed it to me |
| 01:51.25 | Shirik | he'll send it to me |
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| 01:52.08 | Shirik | oh oh, I think this is the best one |
| 01:52.41 | Shirik | They used the wrong hashing algorithm, so that there IS no hash. So long as you keep the last 2 bytes correct in the bootloader, you can change anything else you want :P |
| 01:54.58 | Codayus_ | To be fair, Nintendo did some incredibly sad things with the Wii, including some rather similar sounding retarded things with using the wrong hash algorithm... |
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| 01:58.23 | Corrodias | hell, they may very well have done it intentionally, or a small group of people doing it |
| 01:58.37 | Corrodias | to keep it from being a locked-down piece of shit that they always try to make those consoles |
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| 02:00.17 | Shirik | That's the friend that showed me the presentation btw :) They want the link, nobin! |
| 02:00.35 | nobin | http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2005/22C3-559-en-xbox_hacking.html |
| 02:01.22 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 02:03.07 | mikma | is nobin some sort of noob wobin? |
| 02:03.17 | Shirik | haha |
| 02:03.27 | nobin | no |
| 02:03.47 | Quaiche | Shirik: That memory trick... xbox or 360? (Haven't watched yet) |
| 02:03.52 | Shirik | original |
| 02:03.56 | mikma | what trick :P |
| 02:04.06 | mikma | that presentation is almost 2h long :( |
| 02:06.40 | mikma | <0347> <@Shirik> So instead of crashing like it should, it just goes straight to your code :) |
| 02:06.43 | mikma | lulz |
| 02:07.18 | mikma | "So long as you keep the last 2 bytes correct in the bootloader, you can change anything else you want :P" <- also lulz |
| 02:07.33 | mikma | yeah, i have normal xbox modded with HDD swapping |
| 02:08.00 | mikma | just disconnected the ide from dvd and booted, then i got the nag and plugged the ide from pc into the hdd and booya! |
| 02:10.34 | nobin | hot swap |
| 02:11.20 | mikma | ya. rules. after that i was able to do whatever i wanted, including swapping the original hdd into a huge one :) |
| 02:11.38 | mikma | now i use the xbox as mediacenter for series and movies (not the hd-versions tho) |
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| 02:17.50 | bnovc | anyone else having a ton of crashes since wotlk? |
| 02:17.58 | bnovc | ive crashed 8 times in the last 2 hours |
| 02:18.18 | mikma | na |
| 02:18.19 | Amarande | not me |
| 02:18.31 | mikma | only time i've had problems is the time i alt-tab too much from fullscreen |
| 02:18.32 | Amarande | I've only even had to sit in a queue once, for about five minutes or so |
| 02:18.34 | bnovc | not sure what i can do about since its a different error every time |
| 02:18.47 | bnovc | goign to run memtest86 tomorrow |
| 02:18.49 | Amarande | Quel'dorei is STILL medium and it's mid evening |
| 02:18.55 | mikma | the graphics just "stop working" and the game won't come up anymore, but i still can type /quit and the game will exit :) |
| 02:20.03 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_111808_025854.jpg |
| 02:20.28 | Quaiche | Amarande: You are lucky. Queues on Dragonblight US are terrible. I started at 497 just a bit ago. |
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| 02:29.51 | Amarande | heh, I know what they should do for pvp server queues anyway |
| 02:30.08 | Amarande | give a 'click this button to duel the person at top of queue for his queue spot' button :) |
| 02:30.13 | WobWork | heheh |
| 02:30.27 | WobWork | no, just the person ahead of you |
| 02:30.41 | WobWork | cause the guy at the head is likely to get in within a few seconds anyway |
| 02:31.19 | bnovc | 9th crash |
| 02:31.51 | bnovc | guess i need to call/email blizzard |
| 02:31.55 | bnovc | its not enjoyable to crash every 15 minutes |
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| 02:35.05 | Kraps | mark of blood or vendetta? |
| 02:35.12 | Amarande | bnovc: probably your RAM |
| 02:35.16 | Amarande | when I got E134 all the time it was the RAM |
| 02:35.21 | Kraps | leaning towards vendetta |
| 02:35.26 | Amarande | WoW strains the RAM to the point where very subtle defects can become known |
| 02:36.19 | Kraps | any DK's on? |
| 02:37.06 | Amarande | Kraps: where? |
| 02:37.20 | Kraps | blood? |
| 02:37.29 | cbreak | I have no crashes, but lots of freezes (temporary) |
| 02:37.43 | Amarande | nope, I spec frost |
| 02:37.58 | Kraps | hmm |
| 02:38.33 | Kraps | vendetta then |
| 02:39.20 | Kraps | respecing will start from 1g? |
| 02:41.05 | WobWork | I specced unholy |
| 02:41.19 | WobWork | but I'll respec blood later |
| 02:41.21 | WobWork | just to try it out |
| 02:41.36 | WobWork | even though unholy has some unholy dps |
| 02:42.56 | Kraps | heh |
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| 02:43.56 | Amarande | Crap, what just happened to Quel'dorei? |
| 02:44.01 | WobWork | what's the cooldown on Mark of Blood? |
| 02:44.32 | WobWork | and are you actually taking that much damage normally? |
| 02:44.38 | WobWork | (for vendetta) |
| 02:44.58 | ScytheBlade1 | haha win |
| 02:45.10 | ScytheBlade1 | The level 80 gnome male avatar matches my character almost exactly |
| 02:45.14 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12661343377&sid=1 |
| 02:46.12 | Kraps | WobWork: i try to have as few gcd's as possible, and Mark of Blood doesnt seem worth it |
| 02:46.17 | Amarande | eww |
| 02:46.19 | Amarande | gnomes :( |
| 02:46.48 | duaiwe | mark of blood is great for groups/raids |
| 02:47.03 | duaiwe | vendetta is vastly superior for leveing/grinding though |
| 02:47.38 | WobWork | yeah |
| 02:47.43 | WobWork | it's the equiv of spirit tap |
| 02:48.03 | WobWork | it's by definition a grinding talent =) |
| 02:50.15 | bnovc | Amarande: ya, thats what i was thinking but its strange that it never occurred before now |
| 02:50.28 | bnovc | it is very suspicious that the crashes start right when i get wotlk |
| 02:50.49 | bnovc | oh well i can double my ram for 40 now anyway |
| 02:52.39 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:52.47 | Amarande | apparently, the Quel'dorei outland and northrend servers are fine |
| 02:52.52 | Amarande | but the azeroth one is down |
| 02:52.52 | Amarande | dammit |
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| 03:04.46 | Kraps | this phasing stuff is very cool |
| 03:05.11 | Kraps | but its only in the dk starting area |
| 03:05.34 | mikma | no, its elsewere too |
| 03:06.15 | Kraps | havent noticed it in northrend |
| 03:06.22 | Amarande | oh, lord |
| 03:07.00 | Amarande | 7 of our 10 realm first 80 <class>'s and 5 of the currently posted as being completed realm first 450 <profession>'s are all from the same retard alliance guild everyone hates |
| 03:07.04 | mikma | kraps: you will |
| 03:07.09 | Amarande | why is this. :| |
| 03:07.41 | mikma | kraps: there is a questseries that will do alot off stuff in northred, in orgrimmar, and in undercity |
| 03:07.51 | Amarande | and the world server is still down |
| 03:08.11 | Kraps | Amarande: with all due respect, wtf do you care? |
| 03:08.59 | mikma | because retards are annoying, like, retards |
| 03:09.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: meh. I've got the server first 80 DK guilded. When he dinged, he did "/dnd <New Content> is recruiting Warlocks and Hunters!" |
| 03:09.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I am pleased |
| 03:09.32 | Amarande | actually, I care more about the latter circumstance than the former |
| 03:11.59 | Amarande | Kalimdor, fine. Outland and friends, fine. Northrend, just peachy. Eastern Kingdoms, MIA |
| 03:12.38 | zenzelezz | the scourge won |
| 03:21.25 | pompy | what are some mods that show quest completion in the tooltips of items needed for a quest? |
| 03:22.02 | linear` | is /mount in the SlashCmdList table |
| 03:24.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Not by default I don't think |
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| 03:36.50 | Amarande | wow |
| 03:37.00 | Amarande | I think one of my server mates hit the nail right on the head about 99% of class discussion in WoW |
| 03:37.02 | Amarande | "[The class I play] is fine, and requires skill, [The class that counters my class] should be nerfed because it's too OP, but [The class I counter] is fine and just needs to L2P" |
| 03:37.08 | Amarande | -- Imoldgregg, Quel'dorei |
| 03:37.44 | WobWork | It's like Madlibs! |
| 03:37.59 | Syzgyn | Awesome: http://i37.tinypic.com/2hpnn0l.jpg |
| 03:38.51 | WobWork | I wonder what the serial underneath is for |
| 03:39.36 | Amarande | the thing I'll never get about this server though is |
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| 03:40.19 | Amarande | there are at least three major Horde raiding guilds, and yet Horde always gets out-progressed by this one alliance guild |
| 03:40.42 | Amarande | the Horde guilds *get there*, but this one alliance guild always beats them to it |
| 03:43.40 | Amarande | how does that happen, anyway? :| |
| 03:44.38 | cbreak | the furthest guild on my server is horde |
| 03:44.40 | WobWork | perhaps that alli guild actually does what it does well? |
| 03:44.46 | cbreak | the first player to 80 was horde |
| 03:44.54 | cbreak | and alliance sucks in battlegrounds |
| 03:44.57 | cbreak | but we're more :D |
| 03:45.04 | WobWork | Just because there are -three- horde progression guilds doesn't mean anything |
| 03:45.21 | WobWork | they don't combine into an uberprogression team |
| 03:45.38 | Syzgyn | WobWork: It's the HD key that made its rounds a year or so ago |
| 03:45.46 | Amarande | apparently, our first 80 mage and druid were horde |
| 03:45.56 | WobWork | Syzgyn: ah for blueray? |
| 03:46.00 | Syzgyn | Yeah |
| 03:46.03 | Amarande | the first 80 rogue is from a guild I don't recognize, so I'm not sure off the top of my head whether they're horde or alliance |
| 03:46.12 | Amarande | and all the other first 80's are from that one alliance guild |
| 03:47.15 | WobWork | they're clearly powerlevelling within the guild |
| 03:47.19 | WobWork | it's easier that way |
| 03:47.42 | WobWork | It's such a ridiculous achievment |
| 03:48.12 | WobWork | Hurrah, you're the first person to instance grind your way to 80 |
| 03:48.14 | WobWork | "Now what?" |
| 03:48.18 | Amarande | as for why I referred to the alliance guild as the R word earlier |
| 03:48.19 | Amarande | well |
| 03:48.29 | Amarande | that's because whenever I see their GM at least on the realm forums |
| 03:48.30 | WobWork | Now you get to wait for everyone else to catch up |
| 03:48.39 | Amarande | he's usually talking smack about horde for no good reason |
| 03:49.08 | Amarande | and thinks he owns the server |
| 03:49.26 | Amarande | just because he was able to convince blizzard back during 2.4 testing that a particular thing they wanted to do for sunwell is epicfail |
| 03:49.39 | WobWork | I'm sure his was the only voice in the matter |
| 03:49.58 | WobWork | You should point to Iriel, and how he has effected more change by doing less than he ever has =) |
| 03:50.43 | Amarande | well, he was the one who started the big thread about it that probably led to it being ditched, anyway |
| 03:50.54 | Amarande | that was back during the EoI dumbness |
| 03:51.07 | NightHawkTheSane | because every dumbass who starts a thread is integral to the process? :p |
| 03:51.39 | WobWork | naturally |
| 03:51.41 | Amarande | Night: well, the first step to correcting fail is someone speaking up that said fail is fail |
| 03:51.53 | WobWork | cause no-one -ever- posts the same thread twice |
| 03:51.56 | NightHawkTheSane | and im sure he's the very first person who said anything. |
| 03:51.58 | WobWork | Oh wait. |
| 03:52.17 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm sure no one would have EVER said anything |
| 03:52.25 | WobWork | We're too afraid |
| 03:52.31 | WobWork | of being labelled a retard =) |
| 03:52.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm sure he had to work tirelessly to convince EVERYONE that he was right |
| 03:52.50 | NightHawkTheSane | and i'm sure blizzard looked at ONLY his thread and made their decision based on that |
| 03:52.56 | WobWork | Naturally |
| 03:53.07 | Amarande | Night: well, that's what -his- ego believes, anyway |
| 03:53.28 | WobWork | What about his intelligence? |
| 03:53.29 | Amarande | anyway, the point is, the only major alliance raiding guild on Q'D is led by someone who let it all go to his head |
| 03:53.34 | NightHawkTheSane | people like him shouldn't be allowed near pre-release software |
| 03:53.36 | WobWork | You know how hard it is to prove a negative =P |
| 03:54.01 | Amarande | while from what I know, at least one of the major horde raiding guilds is known for its even-handedness and politeness, even, according to guildies of mine who've applied, when applications are denied |
| 03:54.32 | NightHawkTheSane | So, on a tangent. Is there a mod that will hide grey recipes in your tradeskill window? |
| 03:54.53 | Amarande | hmm, I could have sworn skillet had 'hide trivial' |
| 03:54.58 | Amarande | but I don't know if skillet still works in 3.0.2 |
| 03:55.03 | Amarande | I use ATSW and don't remember whether it had that or not |
| 03:56.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont like skillet |
| 03:56.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Skillet came /this/ close to automatically buying a primal nether and blowing 10 badges without asking me first. |
| 03:57.01 | Amarande | ehh |
| 03:57.07 | Amarande | is there really anything else worth spending badges on anymore? |
| 03:57.30 | Amarande | unless the character is an enchanter and needs something to get a void crystal from |
| 03:57.31 | NightHawkTheSane | this was back when primal nether JUST got put on the badge vendor |
| 03:57.34 | WobWork | I imagine it was back when there was all there was =P |
| 03:57.35 | Amarande | ah. |
| 03:57.38 | NightHawkTheSane | and badges were still VERY important to me |
| 03:58.21 | NightHawkTheSane | I had put one of my epic LW recipes into Skillets "things to make" list, or wahtever, and it tried to auto-buy the nether, because it saw it as a vendor-purchasable mat. |
| 03:58.22 | NightHawkTheSane | >< |
| 03:58.38 | NightHawkTheSane | i happened to be looking over badge rewards, and was lucky i didn't have the badges actually ON me |
| 03:59.19 | NightHawkTheSane | so yeah, after that, skillet was gone :) |
| 03:59.26 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:59.30 | Amarande | doesn't atsw do the same though? |
| 03:59.33 | Amarande | (with auto-buy) |
| 03:59.54 | Amarande | though I've never actually used the auto buy feature of ATSW |
| 04:00.33 | NightHawkTheSane | wee.. 425 LW |
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| 04:01.01 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:01.04 | Amarande | let's see if the world server is up |
| 04:02.42 | Amarande | whew. |
| 04:02.47 | Amarande | and no rollbacks on Melamorea either. |
| 04:04.06 | NightHawkTheSane | is it wrong of me to report people for spamming when they're not actually spamming, just being jerks? |
| 04:04.19 | Syzgyn | meh |
| 04:05.08 | Amarande | Night: frivolous reporting could be considered some kind of abuse, but I can't think of a section of the TOU offhand that says so |
| 04:08.51 | Amarande | oh good grief |
| 04:09.02 | Amarande | I picked some stranglekelp and then went afk |
| 04:09.04 | Amarande | guess what I didn't do |
| 04:09.30 | WobWork | loot |
| 04:09.39 | WobWork | or cast water breathing =) |
| 04:10.05 | WobWork | surface? |
| 04:10.20 | Amarande | yeah, I forgot to surface :P |
| 04:10.42 | WobWork | I think DKs should get the undead level of waterbreathing |
| 04:10.51 | ScytheBlade1 | They never died |
| 04:11.11 | WobWork | no? |
| 04:11.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 04:11.18 | WobWork | just a direct corruption then? |
| 04:11.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 04:11.23 | ScytheBlade1 | See: Arthas |
| 04:11.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Who picked up a sword but... never died |
| 04:11.43 | WobWork | he kinda merged though, didn't he? |
| 04:11.44 | Codayus_ | Pft, give it a couple patches... |
| 04:11.47 | ScytheBlade1 | (Then he put on a helm and that changed things) |
| 04:11.47 | NightHawkTheSane | well, the undead dk's died... :p |
| 04:11.48 | Lunessa | Arthas and the Lich King fused into one being. ... poor bastards. |
| 04:11.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Well between the sword and the helm :) |
| 04:11.59 | Codayus_ | And yeah, Arthas isn't exactly ALIVE either. |
| 04:12.06 | ScytheBlade1 | That's due to the helm |
| 04:12.22 | ScytheBlade1 | The DKs we have picked up the sword |
| 04:12.28 | ScytheBlade1 | They never put on the helm |
| 04:12.32 | ScytheBlade1 | They're still alive |
| 04:12.50 | WobWork | "There must have been some magic, in that old odd helm he found... for when he placed it on his head, he began to frost around!" |
| 04:12.55 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
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| 04:17.12 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> Odd question, but have any ret pallies in here tried tanking (in actual tanking gear)? |
| 04:17.54 | NightHawkTheSane | and, on a related note, assuming the gear is actual upgrades, would BT or HF have better rewards for ret? |
| 04:21.23 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: All the paladins of my acquaintance (Ret, Prot, Holy) are all equally bitching about quest rewards, so who knows? |
| 04:21.50 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> sounds like you just have pain in the ass whiny players :p |
| 04:22.32 | Lunessa | Well, of course. Because apparently my $15/month entitles me to listen to their every fucking complaint. |
| 04:22.57 | WobWork | cheap at half the price! |
| 04:23.27 | Lunessa | I expect those who are well geared will start replacing their gear in later instances like Halls of Stone. Everyone else will find nice upgrades in either zone. |
| 04:23.39 | WobWork | hm |
| 04:23.52 | WobWork | one thing I liked and disliked in TBC was the speed of replacement |
| 04:23.59 | Lunessa | I know the Coldarra quests have some nice goodies. |
| 04:24.04 | WobWork | it was nice for toons that hadn't done endgame preBC |
| 04:24.31 | Lunessa | WobWork: It was too fast though, honestly for those who had sweated blood for t1-t3. |
| 04:24.36 | WobWork | very true |
| 04:24.40 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:24.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: well, my ret gear is quest rewards, 70 instance blues, and the few ghetto epics i could scrounge together |
| 04:24.45 | Amarande | "Jintha'Alor is under attack" |
| 04:24.52 | Amarande | why wouldn't it be, it's a monster filled area heh |
| 04:25.33 | Amarande | WobWork: it also had further-ranging repercussions |
| 04:25.37 | Lunessa | Oh look, I killed the hardest things in the game and I have Uber Robe of Banging! Yeah, I killed a pig in Hellfire Peninsula and I have More Uber Robe of Banging Your Mom. |
| 04:25.50 | Amarande | on some servers, it was hellishly difficult for warlocks and paladins to get parties for their epic mount quests |
| 04:26.03 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I'm all in badge and 'wellfare epixx" |
| 04:26.12 | WobWork | Amarande: indeed |
| 04:26.12 | Amarande | it also probably caused the price of large brilliant shard to spike significantly |
| 04:26.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, thats still beteter than my ret gear :) |
| 04:26.29 | Amarande | what always puzzled me though is |
| 04:26.39 | Amarande | they made the blood elf paladin charger quest require a trip to stratholme |
| 04:26.41 | Amarande | even though |
| 04:26.42 | NightHawkTheSane | but this is the third alt i leveled, and ret was his offspec, so |
| 04:26.51 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I think you'll find some nice pieces in any of the areas. And some of the rep gear looks nice to me too. |
| 04:27.01 | Amarande | 1) they knew when releasing BC that people would pretty much entirely desert Stratholme (thus making getting a group for that a more epic undertaking than anything on many servers) |
| 04:27.09 | Amarande | and 2) blood elves were -added with BC- |
| 04:28.09 | Lunessa | Meh, and now you can wait to 61 and just train it. |
| 04:28.38 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm off home. Later folks. |
| 04:28.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, i figured, i was just seeing if there was an easy "YES DO THIS" answer ;) |
| 04:29.10 | WobWork | I'm kinda sad the epic flight form is trainable |
| 04:29.38 | WobWork | but arctic epic flight form should so have little booties and earmuffs for the druids |
| 04:30.00 | mikma | lol |
| 04:30.02 | WobWork | (and spray on antifreeze) |
| 04:30.12 | Amarande | Wob: epic flight form trainable was unavoidable, really |
| 04:30.19 | WobWork | pft |
| 04:30.30 | WobWork | people would still run the instance for the bird mount |
| 04:30.49 | mikma | would be cool if dk mount was "free for all" |
| 04:30.57 | WobWork | I <3 DK flying mount |
| 04:31.00 | WobWork | looks so cool |
| 04:31.01 | Amarande | On newer servers, you'd have an uphill battle getting people who bothered to get enough LC rep to have an Auchenai Key |
| 04:31.07 | mikma | so, so cool. |
| 04:31.11 | Amarande | especially with the accelerated leveling 60-70, meaning people probably won't stop to do all the quests |
| 04:31.27 | WobWork | Amarande: nah, they'd just drop the heroic key requirement to Neutral =P |
| 04:32.04 | WobWork | Actually what they should do |
| 04:32.05 | mikma | or, open heroics in 60-70 |
| 04:32.11 | WobWork | is make heroic ... yeha |
| 04:32.21 | WobWork | actually no |
| 04:32.31 | WobWork | I mean make heroic scale to the average level of the party |
| 04:32.47 | WobWork | So if you go in at 80, it scales to 80 |
| 04:32.50 | mikma | i would just remove tbc key rrequirements |
| 04:32.54 | WobWork | It might make itemisation difficult though |
| 04:33.18 | mikma | wobwork: that would also make old instances to be possible heroic |
| 04:33.21 | WobWork | mikma: Pft, then I'd level my DK by running heroic ramps over and over =) |
| 04:33.47 | WobWork | mikma: yeah, but I guess the only issue is the itemisation of drops then |
| 04:33.48 | mikma | well, yeah, since they got a nerf |
| 04:34.19 | WobWork | I kinda want to instance til end of friendly |
| 04:34.24 | WobWork | but there's no real point anymore |
| 04:34.27 | WobWork | for Thrallmar |
| 04:34.43 | mikma | horde dk? =( |
| 04:34.45 | WobWork | mostly cause I recall how much effort revered for HH/Thrallmar was |
| 04:34.47 | WobWork | yeah |
| 04:34.51 | mikma | fail! |
| 04:34.59 | WobWork | Male Tauren |
| 04:35.09 | mikma | more fail! |
| 04:35.12 | WobWork | pft |
| 04:35.14 | WobWork | he looks cool =) |
| 04:35.21 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: revered? try exalted. /cry |
| 04:35.23 | WobWork | and the voice rocks |
| 04:35.26 | mikma | gnome females <3 |
| 04:35.35 | mikma | my first ever char was female gnome |
| 04:35.36 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: oh yeah, exalted I meant =) |
| 04:36.03 | mikma | and the second when live opened, was female gnome =) |
| 04:36.07 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: which is why I wanted to isntance as much rep as possible |
| 04:36.26 | WobWork | but as earlier stated, it's not that much of an issue anymore |
| 04:36.34 | Codayus_ | For someone reason, my very first character was a dwarf. I have no idea what I was thinking... |
| 04:36.48 | Codayus_ | Luckily I came to my senses within the first 20 levels. |
| 04:36.59 | WobWork | Night Elf |
| 04:37.02 | WobWork | actually I didn't |
| 04:37.06 | WobWork | my first was a NE druid |
| 04:37.09 | WobWork | not a NE hunter =P |
| 04:37.21 | WobWork | although the NE hunter was my first main |
| 04:37.31 | Codayus_ | Then I leveled a NE rogue. All the way to 60. Named "Shadowgleam". I shudder to think of it. :-( |
| 04:37.38 | WobWork | Codayus_: Terrible =) |
| 04:37.46 | Codayus_ | I know. :-/ |
| 04:37.54 | WobWork | I had a hunter, Shalfurne (gogo random name) |
| 04:38.02 | WobWork | then a dwarf priestess Rikitikitavi |
| 04:38.18 | WobWork | then a humie rogue, Tobermory |
| 04:38.38 | Codayus_ | Then I found out OMG I can't get 10 man pug baron runs! WTF! How will I get my shadowcraft now. :-/ |
| 04:38.44 | mikma | wobwork: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Haomarush&n=Mikma |
| 04:39.19 | Codayus_ | I'm a walkiing sterotype. :-( |
| 04:39.58 | mikma | wobwork: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Silvermoon&n=Mikma |
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| 04:41.39 | mikma | now i miss my gnome =/ oh well maybe my Oe will help in it¤a |
| 04:42.31 | WobWork | ? |
| 04:42.36 | mikma | yikes! -¤a |
| 04:43.22 | mikma | wobwork: wut |
| 04:43.55 | mikma | wobwork: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Oe |
| 04:44.20 | WobWork | ah |
| 04:44.25 | WobWork | I thoguht you were talking in weird code |
| 04:44.27 | WobWork | and you were |
| 04:45.06 | mikma | i was? |
| 04:45.46 | ScytheBlade1 | http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1786497 |
| 04:47.14 | WobWork | "Its a glitch, but only happens if the pic is sufficiently raunchy. " |
| 04:47.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep reading |
| 04:47.33 | ScytheBlade1 | She responds with what the picture actually is/was |
| 04:48.16 | mikma | scytheblade1: your wife found your raunchy photo from your iphone? tough luck =I |
| 04:48.25 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: close but not quite |
| 04:48.30 | ScytheBlade1 | See |
| 04:48.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd have to be married to have a wife, so |
| 04:49.12 | mikma | nerd! |
| 04:49.15 | WobWork | hehe |
| 04:49.20 | WobWork | poor woman =P |
| 04:49.32 | WobWork | Her first question was "Why are you taking that photo in the first place?" |
| 04:49.41 | WobWork | s/was/should have been/ |
| 04:50.40 | mikma | oh wooooooow! |
| 04:50.51 | mikma | he got a moneyshot in his iphone?? |
| 04:50.57 | mikma | thats so cool |
| 04:51.09 | WobWork | it's called "Twitch photography" |
| 04:51.27 | mikma | raunchy |
| 04:51.41 | WobWork | or, as some on that thread state: Rancy |
| 04:51.44 | WobWork | er Ranchy |
| 04:52.01 | WobWork | however, I assume that requires the pre-exposure to a lot of salad dressing |
| 04:52.04 | mikma | ranchy... moo |
| 04:53.00 | mikma | you know... i love to level nelf druid |
| 04:53.16 | mikma | too imba with shadowmeld and swift flight form |
| 04:53.24 | WobWork | I should... |
| 04:53.26 | WobWork | meh |
| 04:53.37 | WobWork | I have no urge to level Furphy up =( |
| 04:53.47 | WobWork | I'll stick to Snuusnu for the moment |
| 04:53.55 | mikma | me too! |
| 04:54.06 | mikma | with 1 u tho |
| 04:55.15 | mikma | wobwork: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Snusnu <- funny, guild roster has only my chars in it ;) |
| 04:59.25 | WobWork | I should have gone snusnuu |
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| 05:00.14 | abyx | whats the new way to save variables now that RegisterForSave() is restricted? i found the howto article on wowwiki for registerforsave() but it didn't say anything about a new way to do it |
| 05:00.45 | mikma | wobwork: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/derdepdep.jpg |
| 05:00.58 | mikma | abyx: /console reloadui |
| 05:01.31 | ScytheBlade1 | abyx: you cannot save variables that haven't been declared in the .toc |
| 05:02.02 | ScytheBlade1 | abyx: hence, you have to do ## SavedVarabies: varName (or the per-character equal) and from that point on, it will all be handled for you |
| 05:03.15 | abyx | so if i have a ##SavedVariables variable it will be set when the addon is loaded without having to do anything else? thats hard to believe but awesomely convenient |
| 05:03.39 | Corrodias | it'll be set to nil, as far as i know, which is like not being set at all |
| 05:03.40 | ScytheBlade1 | correct |
| 05:03.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Once you defined them in your .toc |
| 05:03.59 | Amarande | and Lua tends to really, really hate encountering nil values |
| 05:04.08 | Corrodias | wait, what? Lua loves nil |
| 05:04.09 | Amarande | not like C, where NULL is used all over the place |
| 05:04.15 | ScytheBlade1 | They're saved on logout/reload and loaded when your addon loads (and available after VARIABLES_LOADED) |
| 05:04.26 | mikma | .toc: ##SavedVariables: myVar, .lua: if not myVar then myVar == "Hello World!" end |
| 05:04.35 | Corrodias | we use these Borland libraries at our workplace and the classes are so damn inconsistent |
| 05:04.42 | Corrodias | C++, i mean |
| 05:05.36 | Adys | Who's the author of wowcompares? |
| 05:06.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn is, iirc |
| 05:06.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ~factinfo wowcompares |
| 05:06.45 | purl | wowcompares -- created by breser <n=breser@fornix.brain.org> at Sat Jul 12 04:20:30 2008 (129 days); it has been requested 9 times, last by NightHawkTheSane, 3d 3h 27m 59s ago. |
| 05:06.50 | ScytheBlade1 | boo |
| 05:06.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That's not useful :P |
| 05:07.07 | Adys | ~wowcompares |
| 05:07.07 | purl | well, wowcompares is http://wowcompares.com |
| 05:07.50 | mikma | wowcompares is beladona's work |
| 05:07.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 05:07.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That's right |
| 05:08.02 | ScytheBlade1 | (My memory sucks atm) |
| 05:08.12 | Adys | dont suppose no one asked him/her some kind of line numbering?:p |
| 05:08.17 | mikma | used to be wdn something .com |
| 05:08.22 | ScytheBlade1 | wdnaddons.com |
| 05:08.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: looooooooong time ago. It's on the "sure, when I can" list iirc |
| 05:09.10 | Adys | hmpf |
| 05:09.46 | mikma | purl: message to beladona: <Adys> Who's the author of wowcompares? <Adys> dont suppose no one asked him/her some kind of line numbering?:p |
| 05:09.58 | mikma | done! |
| 05:10.11 | Adys | <3 |
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| 05:35.02 | abyx | is it possible to catch the 'VARIABLES_LOADED' event without having an xml file that calls a addon_OnLoad() function?/ |
| 05:38.26 | MentalPower|AFK | yes |
| 05:38.37 | abyx | how? |
| 05:39.07 | cog|away | register for it in a lua file.. |
| 05:39.17 | abyx | right but from any frame? |
| 05:39.20 | cog|away | yes |
| 05:39.37 | cog|away | as long as it's created at the time the lua file is loaded |
| 05:39.42 | MentalPower | have a TOC that loads a .lua with the following code "local frame = CreateFrame("Frame") frame:RegisterEvent("VARIABLES_LOADED", function() doSomething() end)" |
| 05:41.25 | abyx | is doSomething() called when VARIABLES_LOADED fires or OnEvent? |
| 05:42.36 | abyx | wowwiki has no 2nd argument for RegisterEvent() |
| 05:42.42 | cog|away | ~lart MentalPower |
| 05:42.42 | purl | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on MentalPower |
| 05:42.52 | ScytheBlade1 | That's because it only has one |
| 05:42.59 | MentalPower | oops... |
| 05:43.00 | Corrodias | that's good compost, son. you better value it properly. |
| 05:43.12 | cog|away | frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function() --[[do stuff here]] end) |
| 05:43.13 | MentalPower | Corrodias: thanks :) |
| 05:43.14 | ScytheBlade1 | You want to do frame:RegisterEvent("whateveR") frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function() doSomething() end) |
| 05:43.23 | abyx | ah there we go ;) now that makes sense |
| 05:43.42 | MentalPower | err... just making sure you were paying attention is all... :P |
| 05:43.55 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: nice of you to keep us on our toes |
| 05:44.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, that's new |
| 05:45.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I turned on the wifi kill switch on my laptop |
| 05:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | And had a kernel panic |
| 05:47.25 | cog|away | linux+laptop=stabface |
| 05:47.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That's actually the first time in years I've had a kernel panic |
| 05:47.59 | ScytheBlade1 | The last time I did was back when Red Had 9 existed |
| 05:48.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Other than that, it's been great actually |
| 05:48.11 | MentalPower | kernel panics happen in OSX too |
| 05:48.12 | cog|away | yeah i'm just being a smart ass |
| 05:48.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Well you're a voiced MVP, so |
| 05:48.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I have to sit and take it ;) |
| 05:48.28 | cog|away | i was using ubuntu on a dell laptop as my server |
| 05:48.31 | cog|away | until it ided |
| 05:48.33 | cog|away | died* |
| 05:48.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I really don't like ubuntu |
| 05:48.51 | MentalPower | here we go again |
| 05:49.31 | MentalPower | anyone here use BOINC in Vista? |
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| 06:02.25 | Syzgyn | That was kinda weird, my server went offline for a restart, and it didn't boot me. |
| 06:03.00 | Quaiche | BOINC? |
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| 06:15.01 | abyx | my ## SavedVariables: fooDB is causing an error "attempt to index global 'fooDB' (a nil value). I assume this is because the variables aren't actually loaded? (the VARIABLES_LOADED event does fire though...) |
| 06:16.17 | NightHawkTheSane | if no SVs exist yet, your SVs are nil |
| 06:16.49 | abyx | ehm how do i make them not nil other than assigning them a value like a normal variable? |
| 06:17.05 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 06:17.10 | abyx | or rather... why are they still nil? |
| 06:17.11 | NightHawkTheSane | how do you make a variable not nil, without assigning it a value? |
| 06:17.27 | abyx | you don't. thats why i'm asking >_> |
| 06:18.26 | NightHawkTheSane | if you don't have SVs yet, they're nil. that's fairly straightforward. If you want something in t hat variable, assign it. |
| 06:18.27 | abyx | ok that was bad question - just ignore it. but... why are my SV's still nil if the VARIABLES_LOADED event ocurred? |
| 06:18.36 | NightHawkTheSane | because you dont HAVE SVs |
| 06:18.48 | NightHawkTheSane | a mod loading for the first time ever has no saved variables. |
| 06:19.02 | abyx | i have something like if not fooDB.x then fooDB.x = 1 end; |
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| 06:19.31 | NightHawkTheSane | okay. |
| 06:19.48 | Tekkub | fooDB = fooDB or {} |
| 06:19.55 | abyx | ah so i should do if not fooDB then fooDB = {} end |
| 06:20.19 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, Tekkub is far too nice :p |
| 06:20.34 | Tekkub | IT'S NIL YOU FUCKING IDIOT |
| 06:20.36 | Tekkub | that better? |
| 06:21.01 | abyx | =| |
| 06:21.02 | NightHawkTheSane | only marginally, i was going for the 'make him figure it out himself' angle |
| 06:21.30 | abyx | i'm not sure how i overlooked the DB itself being nil after checking to see if elements of the table weren't nil >_> |
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| 06:51.57 | Tekkub | Nipplevar! |
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| 07:07.41 | Thunder_Child | ~sigh Tekkub |
| 07:07.42 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "Tekkub!" |
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| 07:28.15 | SagivSaffi | any1 have a clue as to a way to find the ammo pouch/quiver bagid? |
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| 08:11.33 | Nom- | bah... i should know this by now... what's the URL for the text shown on the login page ? |
| 08:12.18 | haste | ~wowalert |
| 08:12.18 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 08:13.08 | Nom- | cool so there is downtime tonight |
| 08:13.16 | Nom- | Gives me time to build my new computer without missing out on levelling time :D |
| 08:13.45 | Nom- | Just bought a quad core + video card + psu |
| 08:13.51 | Nom- | got tired of waiting for the new iMac range |
| 08:17.56 | End | well that's dumb |
| 08:18.33 | End | the debuff for flying over dalaran |
| 08:18.39 | End | it's not telling you to stop flying |
| 08:18.48 | End | but to not go anywhere |
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| 08:20.28 | End | if you -aren't- over dalaran when the debuff ends |
| 08:20.30 | End | you'll get killed |
| 08:20.48 | End | (unless you happen to be flying straight down) |
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| 08:35.03 | Thunder_Child | . |
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| 08:46.19 | NightHawkTheSane | *sigh* |
| 08:46.43 | NightHawkTheSane | I did 32% of the damage in that Nexus run. More than anyone else. I was the tank. |
| 08:46.59 | NightHawkTheSane | I was also -not- the best geared, nor the highest level |
| 08:47.49 | End | wow |
| 08:49.08 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. they weren't.. well. good. |
| 08:55.45 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, it's not *quite* as embarrassing to top the damage meters as tank than it used to be, but . . . it's still pretty bad. |
| 08:56.22 | ZorbaTHut | I do remember one hilarious run I had a while back where I did 25% of the damage and a single warlock did 55% |
| 08:56.30 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: true. but there's a difference between having impressive dps, and being 1/3 of the dps for the entire group |
| 08:56.44 | ZorbaTHut | (pre-3.0, so, just imagine what that says about the other two DPS) |
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| 09:05.11 | Shirik | New Text Message: ALERT: WIND CHILL ADVISORY has been issued for 32114 Expires at 07:00 EST on 11/19/08. <-- qqqqqqq |
| 09:05.36 | Shirik | florida is not meant to have these kinds of advisories |
| 09:05.46 | Tekkub | HA HA |
| 09:05.49 | Tekkub | I want more snow |
| 09:06.51 | Shirik | I goes to sleep now |
| 09:06.52 | Shirik | byes |
| 09:08.45 | Tekkub | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1465/ |
| 09:08.52 | Thunder_Child | les Shirik|zZz, you are as bad as Cairenn |
| 09:08.54 | Thunder_Child | lies* |
| 09:09.04 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 09:14.51 | End | I need to get into a habit of flying around nakid |
| 09:15.03 | End | I keep flying into no fly zones and then getting killed by falling |
| 09:15.26 | End | a long duration parachute would really help... |
| 09:16.00 | Tekkub | or install Nudist |
| 09:16.12 | Tekkub | if you're falling that high you should be able to pop it open in time |
| 09:16.52 | End | actually... |
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| 09:20.49 | End | looks like I can make outfitter do it when I get the debuff |
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| 09:42.18 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a scheduled maintenance. Please note that all European realms will be offline from 05:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET).. . Thank you for your patience and understanding.. . |
| 09:42.18 | Shiibot | 16/11 New realm and free migration. A new realm has been added with migration opened from existing realms. The migrations will last until at least November 18th. The realm does not allow character creation for now. |
| 09:42.18 | Shiibot | New realm: Chamber of Aspects. Source realms: Aggramar, Aszune, Doomhammer, Draenor, Emerald Dream, Silvermoon. Source realms added November 16th: Azjol-Nerub, Bloodhoof, Nordrassil, Runetotem. |
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| 10:28.55 | Sagiv_Saffi | any1 know of a way to see if a hunter has a quiver/ammopouch equipped? |
| 10:29.04 | Thunder_Child | ask? |
| 10:30.15 | Sagiv_Saffi | i meant for addon use lol ;) |
| 10:31.34 | Thunder_Child | i know it can be done, however i do not know how to do it |
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| 10:39.50 | cladhaire | you could get the information about the items in the bag slot |
| 10:39.52 | cladhaire | !api GetItemInfo |
| 10:39.53 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetItemInfo' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemInfo |
| 10:39.59 | cladhaire | !GetInventorySlot |
| 10:40.04 | cladhaire | !api GetInventorySlot |
| 10:40.04 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetInventorySlotInfo' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetInventorySlotInfo |
| 10:40.10 | cladhaire | for example :P |
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| 10:45.15 | Thunder_Child | FIRE ZE MISSILES! |
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| 11:11.32 | leethal | cladhaire: that kind of search on the actual website would have been nice =) |
| 11:11.40 | cladhaire | google? |
| 11:11.45 | leethal | searching for 'GetInventorySlot' gives ya GetInventorySlotInfo etc. |
| 11:11.59 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 11:12.01 | cladhaire | fair enough :P |
| 11:12.06 | cladhaire | will work on it |
| 11:12.53 | leethal | kinda odd that google doesn't list anything on http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awowprogramming.com+GetInventorySlot though |
| 11:12.59 | leethal | I'd expect it to grok GetInventorySlotInfo etc. |
| 11:17.07 | cladhaire | well |
| 11:17.12 | cladhaire | i think i killed the sitemap |
| 11:17.18 | cladhaire | after the data loss |
| 11:17.21 | cladhaire | have to think |
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| 11:33.19 | ReAn | Cairenn|afk, you lurking w/ your afk tag again? |
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| 11:45.18 | ReAn | if there's an admin lurking, i could use a new file approval for my mod so i can post a "New Version Launched" post. |
| 11:45.19 | ReAn | :D |
| 11:46.12 | cladhaire | Done |
| 11:46.15 | ReAn | <3 |
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| 11:52.36 | ReAn | cladhaire |
| 11:52.41 | ReAn | was RuneWatch in the queue? |
| 11:53.28 | cladhaire | no |
| 11:53.35 | cladhaire | queue is empty |
| 11:53.36 | ReAn | i fucked up, sorry |
| 11:53.44 | ReAn | Should be up now |
| 11:54.04 | cladhaire | oho |
| 11:54.07 | cladhaire | this is sexy :P |
| 11:54.13 | ReAn | my mod? |
| 11:54.18 | cladhaire | yesem |
| 11:54.23 | ReAn | you didn't see it before? |
| 11:54.27 | cladhaire | nope |
| 11:54.31 | cladhaire | I don't get to see much new stuff |
| 11:54.32 | cladhaire | not much time :P |
| 11:54.38 | ReAn | ah well, by all means check it out if you have time |
| 11:54.42 | ReAn | and let me know what you think |
| 11:54.47 | ReAn | i've got my portal set up |
| 11:54.54 | ReAn | so you can toss bugs/requests/etc |
| 11:55.33 | cladhaire | I wont be playing my DK for a while now |
| 11:55.37 | cladhaire | my mage just hit 56! |
| 11:55.44 | ReAn | i hear ya |
| 11:55.50 | ReAn | my rogue just hit 66 |
| 11:55.54 | cladhaire | I mean, I have my druid at 70 |
| 11:55.57 | cladhaire | but i'm waiting on him |
| 11:55.58 | ReAn | i've got 7 70s and i decided to change mains |
| 11:56.09 | cladhaire | until my partner and I get to 70 |
| 11:56.14 | ReAn | :D |
| 11:56.38 | ReAn | yea |
| 11:56.53 | ReAn | i got about 4k downloads since WotLK launched from WoWI alone |
| 11:56.57 | cladhaire | nice :P |
| 11:57.03 | ReAn | 24k from Curse :p |
| 11:57.05 | ReAn | :D |
| 11:57.08 | cladhaire | LightHeaded is about to break 3 million downloads |
| 11:57.13 | ReAn | man |
| 11:57.16 | cladhaire | I don't even want to think about what that would be if it were on curse, heh |
| 11:57.18 | ReAn | LightHeaded is a fucking awesome mod |
| 11:57.28 | cladhaire | hehe, thanks :P |
| 11:57.31 | ReAn | YW |
| 11:57.32 | leethal | Nao!! has 280 downloads alltogether!!!1111 |
| 11:57.48 | cladhaire | Ah well, dl count doesn't matter much to me |
| 11:57.49 | ReAn | but seriously cladhaire, that's like the most usefull mod i've seen for leveling |
| 11:57.53 | cladhaire | off to the office now |
| 11:58.06 | cladhaire | ReAn: TomTom+LightHeaded+TourGUide == teh awesome for pre 70 leveling |
| 11:58.13 | cladhaire | but I'll have LightHeaded by my side for 70-80 |
| 11:58.17 | cladhaire | just in case I get stuck! |
| 11:58.22 | cladhaire | or need to return a quest :P |
| 11:58.24 | ReAn | well |
| 11:58.27 | ReAn | i <3 Tekkub |
| 11:58.31 | ReAn | and i <3 TourGuide |
| 11:58.40 | ReAn | but it really fails @ sub-60 horde |
| 11:58.44 | ReAn | so i removed it |
| 11:58.50 | ReAn | been using QuestHelper |
| 11:59.00 | ReAn | kinda builds a more dynamic leveling scheme |
| 11:59.07 | ReAn | that's more flexible |
| 11:59.18 | clad|away | yeah |
| 11:59.20 | clad|away | QH is a monster tho |
| 11:59.21 | clad|away | *shrug* |
| 11:59.22 | ReAn | so Cart2 + LH + QH = wicked for now |
| 11:59.25 | clad|away | I can't really get behind it |
| 11:59.25 | ReAn | mem-wise? |
| 11:59.29 | clad|away | just in general |
| 11:59.31 | ReAn | heh |
| 11:59.34 | ReAn | it works |
| 11:59.37 | clad|away | it also steals my data without asking, I wasn't a big fan of that |
| 11:59.38 | clad|away | but *shrug* |
| 11:59.39 | ReAn | ill remove it when im 80 |
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| 11:59.47 | clad|away | alright, headed into the office |
| 11:59.50 | ReAn | aite |
| 11:59.52 | ReAn | thanks again |
| 12:00.03 | clad|away | cya! |
| 12:00.08 | clad|away | np of courwse |
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| 12:06.37 | Sagiv_Saffi | whats (or is there) api to get itemid (#) from equipped slot? |
| 12:06.49 | Sagiv_Saffi | ive looked all over wowwiki x_x |
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| 12:59.48 | Nom- | Howdy all |
| 12:59.59 | Nom- | Any wow+wine users about ? |
| 13:01.43 | |pez| | Aww, I was hoping the Black War bear looked cool, sort of like the Amani one. but nuuuuh |
| 13:03.08 | ReAn | boo, servers down |
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| 13:06.29 | Sagiv_Saffi | ny1 know of a way to get an itemid off of an equipped slot (ammo specifically) or to convert from itemlink to itemid? |
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| 13:14.52 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder. Wouldn't it be ne1? |
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| 13:19.44 | ReAn | perhaps he typoed and wanted to say any1 |
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| 13:30.33 | Nom- | Just installed Fedora + wine, and I can't launch Wow :( |
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| 13:30.51 | foxlit | "Soon you will be ein the embrace of That Which Must Not Be Named" |
| 13:31.57 | Nom- | err:d3d:WineD3D_CreateFakeGLContext Can't find a suitable iPixelFormat |
| 13:32.09 | Nom- | Hopefully that will look familiar to someone |
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| 13:34.26 | |pez| | I love the little jumping gremlingslike things in BT. |
| 13:36.01 | boshi | is there a WoW API method to determine if an item is soulbound ? |
| 13:36.42 | cbreak | not really I think |
| 13:36.46 | cbreak | you can parse the tooltip |
| 13:37.05 | cbreak | (unless they added one recently I am quite sure there's none) |
| 13:37.53 | bnovc | Nom-: usually wine's site has descriptions of what hacks you need for each program? |
| 13:37.56 | bnovc | have you followed that |
| 13:39.02 | Nom- | bnovc: This is WoW :) |
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| 13:39.27 | Nom- | And apparently no hacks are needed... I'm trying CrossOver in case it's a problem in the version of Wine i'm using ... |
| 13:40.02 | Nom- | Other than to load in OpenGL, which I've already done |
| 13:40.38 | Nom- | No games appear to work through Wine, but native Linux games do |
| 13:40.44 | Nom- | So I assume it's just a Wine problem |
| 13:40.46 | bnovc | tons of games work through wine... |
| 13:40.52 | bnovc | or do you mean on your system |
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| 13:41.01 | Nom- | On my system |
| 13:41.54 | bnovc | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14154 |
| 13:41.58 | bnovc | you followed the comments/desc? |
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| 13:42.47 | bnovc | this is why i don't use nix on my gaming computer :\ |
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| 13:45.13 | jnwhiteh | so here is my wow |
| 13:45.14 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4906fff17eec4a080c0640bebfbe46ff.png |
| 13:45.17 | jnwhiteh | sad story =( |
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| 13:45.50 | Josh_Borke | jnwhiteh: you're doing it wrong |
| 13:45.54 | cbreak | looks like ... graphics problems. |
| 13:46.24 | Nom- | wow, that's nasty jnwhiteh |
| 13:46.37 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 13:46.40 | jnwhiteh | not sure where to even start |
| 13:46.52 | cbreak | did it work in the past? |
| 13:46.52 | alestane | "It had that Linux virus; Bill Gates says that's really bad." |
| 13:47.41 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: no, tryign to get it up on this machine |
| 13:47.44 | jnwhiteh | so i can do UI stuff if I need to |
| 13:47.47 | Nom- | jnwhiteh: I did see a bug about then when I was trying to resolve my own problem |
| 13:47.56 | bnovc | don't all the "fixme"s inspire confidence? |
| 13:48.05 | Nom- | jnwhiteh: I think one of the suggested fixes was to try CrossOver and see if that fixes it\ |
| 13:48.14 | bnovc | you'd probably be better off trying cedega |
| 13:48.25 | Nom- | CrossOver has a free trial |
| 13:48.28 | Nom- | Cedega doesn't. |
| 13:48.28 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 13:48.35 | jnwhiteh | I can try crossover I guess |
| 13:48.54 | cbreak | maybe update the drivers. or wine. |
| 13:48.54 | bnovc | crossover was free a couple weeks ago, too |
| 13:49.07 | bnovc | but its not hard to find a copy of cedega to try |
| 13:49.23 | Nom- | True... |
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| 13:49.33 | Nom- | But I got one of those free CrossOver licenses, so I'll start with that |
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| 13:49.54 | bnovc | ya i grabbed a few of them |
| 13:49.55 | jnwhiteh | I took it for my mac |
| 13:49.57 | jnwhiteh | which was STUPID |
| 13:50.00 | bnovc | probably wont use it though |
| 13:50.00 | jnwhiteh | bnovc: Orly ? |
| 13:50.08 | jnwhiteh | bnovc: I'm interested |
| 13:50.09 | jnwhiteh | :p |
| 13:51.01 | bnovc | jnwhiteh: see pm for serial |
| 13:51.46 | jnwhiteh | I'll give this a try then |
| 13:51.49 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzelezz! *hugs* |
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| 13:53.04 | bnovc | i "fished" for 8 hours last night and then raelized this morning i had lootfilter set to delete it all |
| 13:53.46 | cbreak | one of the reasons I don't use addons to manage my items/finances/anything else |
| 13:53.58 | bnovc | well its really useful to block the fish i don't want |
| 13:54.08 | bnovc | but i accidently clicked on the one i did want |
| 13:54.21 | bnovc | been getting my cooking up on this char and needed some fish in azshara |
| 13:54.32 | bnovc | and of course the servers are down this morning so ill have to wait until tomorrow now |
| 13:54.42 | cbreak | I throw out fish I don't want while waiting for the next to bite |
| 13:55.33 | bnovc | fishing is too boring to do manuall y:( |
| 13:56.01 | cbreak | tell me about it. I am at 385 fishing :( |
| 13:56.18 | bnovc | i wrote a little program to do it for me that works about 85% reliably |
| 13:56.25 | Lopeppeppy | Send all of your "trash fish" to baby alts to learn how to cook. |
| 13:56.30 | cbreak | the only two exciting places to fish are SSC and Orgrimar (as alliance) |
| 13:56.34 | Lopeppeppy | And omg do we NOT want to hear about bot programs! |
| 13:56.57 | bnovc | that's true, i did fish myself in orgrimmar for a while |
| 13:57.01 | Josh_Borke | Lopeppeppy: agreed |
| 13:57.03 | bnovc | behind the rock by the battlemasters |
| 13:57.10 | bnovc | near that waterfall |
| 13:57.22 | bnovc | got killed by hunters w/track humanoids a few times |
| 13:57.29 | cbreak | I did it at 1 in the morning. the only horde that were there waved me :) |
| 13:57.34 | bnovc | heh |
| 13:57.43 | bnovc | i should have done the fishing competition last weekend i bet it as empty |
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| 14:02.16 | Beladona | Nom-: kinda late, but are you using the latest version from the winehq deb? |
| 14:02.50 | Beladona | if you are, D3D support is fairly broken in that one, especially on nvidia chipsets |
| 14:03.05 | Beladona | you would have to use OpenGL for wow |
| 14:03.40 | Beladona | otherwise, use the "stable" release of wine available from official debs |
| 14:03.48 | Beladona | that one should work better |
| 14:04.05 | Nom- | Beladona: 1.1.7 i believe... what comes with fedora |
| 14:04.11 | Beladona | thats latest development |
| 14:04.17 | Nom- | 1.1.8 is latest |
| 14:04.30 | Beladona | my point is, since about 1.1.5, things are borked |
| 14:04.33 | jnwhiteh | What version of Fedora? |
| 14:04.34 | Nom- | And I'm actually *trying* to use OpenGL ... well i'll see if Fedora has an older version I can install |
| 14:04.38 | Nom- | 10 |
| 14:04.42 | Beladona | what happens when you use opengl? |
| 14:04.57 | jnwhiteh | I'm having fun trying to get my stuff figured out in 9 |
| 14:05.21 | bnovc | just stop torturing yourself and run it in windows |
| 14:05.26 | Beladona | I am not using Fedora, but I play wow on ubuntu 8.10 just about every day now |
| 14:05.28 | jnwhiteh | i dont have tha toption |
| 14:05.30 | jnwhiteh | thanks :P |
| 14:05.37 | bnovc | why? |
| 14:05.40 | Nom- | Beladona: Well, i've tried setting gxApi and the -opengl command (which i'm told no longer works) but both result in the same errors |
| 14:05.49 | Beladona | which is? |
| 14:06.07 | jnwhiteh | a.) I don't have Admin on my windows machine.. and WoW will NOT install without it.. b.) I spend my entire day in a unix environment. |
| 14:06.34 | bnovc | i spend my whole day with a linux computer also but at home i keep a windows one next to it :\ |
| 14:06.42 | Nom- | Dialog syaying "Failed to find a suitable display driver. Existing program.' |
| 14:06.44 | jnwhiteh | well I'm not at home |
| 14:06.48 | jnwhiteh | I have my mac there, aheva no problems |
| 14:06.49 | Nom- | and the following debug messages: |
| 14:06.50 | bnovc | ooo, so you're playing WoW at work! |
| 14:06.57 | bnovc | tisk, tisk |
| 14:07.02 | Beladona | is your vid driver enabled for direct rendering? |
| 14:07.04 | Nom- | err:d3d:WineD3D_CreateFakeGLContext Can't find a suitable iPixelFormat |
| 14:07.04 | Nom- | err:d3d:InitAdapters Failed to get a gl context for default adapter |
| 14:07.14 | Beladona | and what vid driver are you using |
| 14:07.18 | bnovc | i don't think my company would appreciate my WoWing at work |
| 14:07.20 | Beladona | or vid card |
| 14:07.23 | bnovc | at least irssi looks like vim sorta |
| 14:07.29 | Nom- | nvidia 9800 gt |
| 14:07.35 | Nom- | with nvidia drivers |
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| 14:07.52 | jnwhiteh | bnovc: not a company.. but either weay |
| 14:08.03 | jnwhiteh | seeing i've written two books about wow, I can get away with it |
| 14:08.20 | Beladona | you get that error when using gxApi opengl? |
| 14:08.27 | jnwhiteh | yay for "academic" work |
| 14:08.28 | Beladona | that should only happen when trying to use D3D |
| 14:08.53 | bnovc | jnwhiteh: books about what? |
| 14:09.12 | jnwhiteh | World of Warcraft.. |
| 14:09.18 | Beladona | uhh |
| 14:09.21 | bnovc | right, i got that but subtopic? |
| 14:09.26 | jnwhiteh | ~wowprogramming |
| 14:09.27 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 14:09.30 | bnovc | hopefully not one of those "make a lot of gold with no time!" |
| 14:09.31 | jnwhiteh | thats really the only one that matters |
| 14:09.37 | jnwhiteh | No, not quite :P |
| 14:09.38 | bnovc | ah, that's much more noble |
| 14:09.47 | Beladona | more than noble |
| 14:09.55 | Beladona | its the only really legitimate book on that topic |
| 14:10.07 | jnwhiteh | there are illigitimate ones? |
| 14:10.13 | jnwhiteh | its THE only book on the topic :P |
| 14:10.14 | Beladona | I was being generous |
| 14:10.21 | bnovc | i'm not sure if it warrants a book, but i suppose a lot of people do prefer books to internet articles |
| 14:10.38 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: which simultaneously makes it the SUCKIEST book on the topic :) |
| 14:10.40 | Lopeppeppy | I love my book, it's big and thick and warm and comforting and I can read it when I don't even have a computers! |
| 14:10.52 | Beladona | if you have done any amount of programming for addons, you know a book was VERY needed |
| 14:10.53 | Nom- | $ glxinfo | grep direct |
| 14:10.53 | Nom- | direct rendering: Yes |
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| 14:11.08 | AbsoRayne | ^___________^ |
| 14:11.13 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, AbsoRayne. |
| 14:11.23 | AbsoRayne | Hi Lope :) |
| 14:11.24 | Beladona | the "internet articles" you refer to are horribly incomplete |
| 14:12.03 | bnovc | *shrug* i've never preferred having books for programming information (on any topic) |
| 14:12.13 | Josh_Borke | jnwhiteh: will there be an addendum for the new secure methods? |
| 14:12.14 | AbsoRayne | Its so nice having a great night of uninterupted sleep. |
| 14:12.28 | bnovc | that's pretty cool you have a published book though! :D |
| 14:12.28 | Beladona | Nom-: first thing to do is make sure you are running OpenGL |
| 14:12.34 | jnwhiteh | Josh_Borke: Not sure what the plan is at the moment |
| 14:12.40 | Beladona | Nom-: because those errors are d3d specific |
| 14:12.40 | AbsoRayne | Hey Lopeppeppy |
| 14:12.46 | AbsoRayne | Can you do me a favor hun? <.< |
| 14:12.48 | jnwhiteh | bnovc: Hehe, hardly in my line of work.. but I appreciate it :P |
| 14:13.20 | AbsoRayne | actually nm |
| 14:13.22 | AbsoRayne | Servers arent up |
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| 14:14.03 | Beladona | Nom-: have you used this article yet? http://www.wowwiki.com/Troubleshooting_Wine |
| 14:14.04 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, Jelly. |
| 14:14.26 | Lopeppeppy | But I wouldn't have been able to anyway, AbsoRayne, I'm all at working and stuff, no servers here even when they're up. |
| 14:14.35 | AbsoRayne | :( |
| 14:14.45 | AbsoRayne | I need to make sure that the new Cherry Boxes is going to install right |
| 14:14.58 | AbsoRayne | I need text subjects :B |
| 14:15.08 | |Jelly| | s/text/test/ |
| 14:15.09 | Lopeppeppy | I'd test for ya, if I were home and there were servers! |
| 14:15.14 | AbsoRayne | D: |
| 14:15.17 | AbsoRayne | I know right |
| 14:15.19 | AbsoRayne | Also |
| 14:15.30 | |Jelly| | I'm doing my spanish homework that's due ... in three hours. |
| 14:15.31 | AbsoRayne | Is the armory still being buggy? |
| 14:15.36 | |Jelly| | I'm a good student like that. |
| 14:15.52 | Lopeppeppy | At least you're not doing it 3 minutes before. |
| 14:16.05 | |Jelly| | My GM's neck from Naxx is showing up. It wasn't last night, Rayne. |
| 14:16.19 | AbsoRayne | you went to Naxx? lucky --- |
| 14:16.25 | Nom- | Beladona: So, best guess is I'm affected by the " Direct3D error in OpenGL mode" bug... problem is, it doesn't load at all in OpenGL mode :( |
| 14:16.33 | |Jelly| | "_My GM's_ neck from Naxx" |
| 14:16.46 | bnovc | AbsoRayne: that's depressing |
| 14:16.47 | Beladona | http://www.wowwiki.com/Troubleshooting_Wine#Failed_to_find_a_suitable_display_device. |
| 14:16.48 | Arrowmaster | |Jelly|: anybody clear naxx on our realm yet? |
| 14:16.54 | |Jelly| | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Lesli |
| 14:17.03 | AbsoRayne | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&n=Absolutrayne Delicious Female NE Warrior Avatar is Delicious! |
| 14:17.24 | Beladona | we have a guild on our server already doing 25 man Naxx |
| 14:17.25 | |Jelly| | Arrowmaster: No. An Og healer ditched last night after a couple wipes and they called it. They got two or three bosses down in 25 man version though. |
| 14:17.30 | Beladona | and has cleared all the 10 mans |
| 14:17.54 | Arrowmaster | my friend was in a 25man malygos raid lastnight |
| 14:17.58 | bnovc | some people need the parental contorls enabled on their accounts :\ |
| 14:18.28 | |Jelly| | Because they're responsible adults who enjoy their hobby? |
| 14:18.31 | Beladona | I am trying not to be jealous |
| 14:18.40 | Beladona | I don't have the time to be 80 already |
| 14:18.52 | AbsoRayne | Jelly: I looked at your GMs armory and was like 'holy hell whys his HP so low?! O_o', then I realized he wasnt 80 |
| 14:18.54 | AbsoRayne | <_< |
| 14:18.56 | bnovc | i find it unlikely that most of them are responsible adults if they're playing ~15+hr/day |
| 14:19.10 | AbsoRayne | Also, someone make the forums update my avatars. |
| 14:19.18 | Josh_Borke | bnovc: or perhaps they decided to take a few days off from work |
| 14:19.20 | Nom- | No joy on the d3d9.dll :( |
| 14:19.25 | Arrowmaster | AbsoRayne: reselect the character |
| 14:19.26 | Beladona | we have 3 level 80s in our guilds, and I hate the fact that we can't field a 10 man to go with them |
| 14:19.32 | |Jelly| | That's my paladin, tard. |
| 14:19.33 | AbsoRayne | Arrowmaster: Doesnt work |
| 14:19.47 | |Jelly| | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Sheex <-- GM |
| 14:19.49 | AbsoRayne | ~slap |Jelly| |
| 14:19.49 | purl | ACTION slaps |Jelly|, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 14:20.21 | AbsoRayne | Tell your GM to make the TItansteel Shield Wall made. :/ |
| 14:21.16 | |Jelly| | bnovc: If they took some time off work for this, I don't find it really any different than going on a vacation with friends except they're staying home. Who am I to tell them what to do with their time off? If I could afford it, I would have done it too but alas, I dont' have vacation time as a server. |
| 14:21.29 | |Jelly| | I'm not going to tell my GM a god damned thing. He doesn't seem to want to take advice from me. |
| 14:21.52 | AbsoRayne | Hes geared just absolutly terribly. |
| 14:22.21 | AbsoRayne | HES NOT EVEN OVER DEFCAP |
| 14:22.59 | |Jelly| | You realize he's been 80 for two days, was the first 80 horde on server ... and has been instancing to get gear while he (lol) waits for everyone else to catch up, right? |
| 14:23.21 | AbsoRayne | You can still get over Defcap before going to a raid. |
| 14:23.33 | AbsoRayne | I did it no problem. :/ |
| 14:23.49 | |Jelly| | This might come as a surprise Rayne but you ~= him. |
| 14:24.05 | Arrowmaster | warrior in my guild is already over def cap |
| 14:24.06 | |Jelly| | I know. I know. Difficult to imagine that you don't play his character but it's true. |
| 14:24.06 | Nom- | Progress... It's definately something to do with this Wine version... CrossOver gets an access violation (WowError.exe) |
| 14:24.23 | pompy | funny thing is.. when ur level 80.. raid bosses wont crush still supposedly.. |
| 14:24.30 | AbsoRayne | |Jelly|: I just find it terribly depressing that hes a tank and doesnt know better. :/ |
| 14:24.38 | Arrowmaster | still need def cap for crits |
| 14:24.48 | bnovc | |Jelly|: *shrug* maybe you're right... i'm not that inclined to take vacations either ... but the people that i know who play that much are very unhealthy about it (avoiding people they know in real life/missing obligations/etc.), though obviously that doesn't mean everyone is like that |
| 14:24.55 | AbsoRayne | pompy: What Arrowmaster said |
| 14:24.55 | |Jelly| | Rayne: I tanked Hyjal without being def capped. *shrug* |
| 14:25.02 | pompy | yeah same |
| 14:25.19 | pompy | when 3.0.2 came out, my def went to 470 |
| 14:25.20 | AbsoRayne | Did you main tank or just trash tank? |
| 14:25.24 | pompy | it was at like 499 |
| 14:25.31 | |Jelly| | MT everything but Arch |
| 14:25.34 | pompy | mt |
| 14:25.41 | AbsoRayne | How close were you to 490 then? |
| 14:25.45 | bnovc | so when is dual spec coming out |
| 14:25.46 | bnovc | because i really awnt that |
| 14:25.48 | |Jelly| | Take that back, I got the DOOMS |
| 14:25.51 | bnovc | so i can stop being a moonkin all the time |
| 14:25.55 | |Jelly| | ~470ish. |
| 14:26.00 | pompy | haha yeah i was a doomguard tank too |
| 14:26.07 | pompy | i couldnt loot azgalor |
| 14:26.10 | pompy | cuz i never hit him |
| 14:26.14 | AbsoRayne | Post nerf? If it was post nerf then yes I could POSSIBLY see you mting up until Az |
| 14:26.17 | pompy | and my t6 gloves dropped :x |
| 14:26.24 | |Jelly| | GOD DAMNIT RAYNE! HUSH FOR LIKE TEN MINUTES WHILE I FINISH THIS. |
| 14:26.28 | AbsoRayne | NO |
| 14:26.35 | AbsoRayne | IM GOING TO GRILL YOU |
| 14:26.38 | AbsoRayne | LIKE A FISH |
| 14:26.44 | Lopeppeppy | pompy, that's a myth. |
| 14:27.07 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a healer, there are PLENTY of times I don't do a darned thing to the boss, and don't heal anyone hitting the boss, and loot has never ever been an issue for me. |
| 14:27.15 | pompy | well.. |
| 14:27.17 | AbsoRayne | pompy: Did your guid have the curse of the tanking chest dropping every kill? |
| 14:27.20 | pompy | i clearly couldnt loot him lol |
| 14:27.27 | AbsoRayne | guild* |
| 14:27.31 | pompy | no shinies glowing on his corpse |
| 14:27.37 | pompy | no sparklys* |
| 14:27.49 | pompy | hmm nah didnt see that drop |
| 14:27.55 | pompy | or what do you mean lol |
| 14:27.57 | Lopeppeppy | pompy, that does occasionally happen, but it's not because you didn't hit him. Sometimes, those bosses arej ust buggy, whether you hit him or not. Our rogues have had that bug too. |
| 14:28.33 | AbsoRayne | pompy: Every Azgalor kill we had for a month and a half dropped Glory of the Defender |
| 14:28.34 | pompy | i had the gms mail me my t6 gloves |
| 14:28.50 | pompy | haha, yeah i only killed him twice and that never dropped |
| 14:29.18 | pompy | i went into a pug hyjal and we 5 healed it until azgalor who raped our faces |
| 14:29.53 | pompy | whats the best wave of azgalor trash haha? |
| 14:30.41 | AbsoRayne | 6, with nothing but the Banshees and Necros |
| 14:30.56 | AbsoRayne | that one never got old |
| 14:30.57 | |Jelly| | Oh and Rayne, I don't really care if you grill me; there isn't much you can ask that other people haven't already. |
| 14:30.57 | pompy | yes! |
| 14:31.03 | pompy | im like over vent : "healers get ready to overheal the tanks" |
| 14:31.05 | AbsoRayne | Easy solution to that wave |
| 14:31.07 | pompy | wave 6 comes , tanks dead |
| 14:31.17 | AbsoRayne | Warrior + Shield Wall + Shield Reflect + Guardian Spirit = Win! |
| 14:31.24 | pompy | lol |
| 14:31.31 | |Jelly| | And I don't want to talk about loot because some asshat ret paladin took my shield :( |
| 14:31.32 | pompy | yeah i forgot to spell reflect once and i ate it |
| 14:31.34 | AbsoRayne | |Jelly|: I just want to know why your GM is tanking Naxx under Defcap. :/ |
| 14:31.54 | Lopeppeppy | To help the healers learn their new skills! |
| 14:31.58 | pompy | some pally wanted me to pass on kazrogals hardened heart |
| 14:32.00 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik. *hugs* |
| 14:32.01 | |Jelly| | Ask him |
| 14:32.01 | pompy | im like , helln o |
| 14:32.08 | Shirik | I think I'll go to sleep now |
| 14:32.15 | AbsoRayne | Unless hes one of thosew GMs like 'Im the GM im going to do whatever I want for that reason.' |
| 14:32.17 | AbsoRayne | :/ |
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| 14:32.34 | |Jelly| | You obviously didn't look at my guild. There's like 3 80s. |
| 14:33.00 | |Jelly| | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Shinjiro <-- was probably MT however, he's apparently went back to useless spec. |
| 14:33.01 | AbsoRayne | |Jelly|: Im not trying to pick a fight or belittle you, its just...meh I said it once already |
| 14:33.21 | pompy | i left my guild last night, to much drama involved |
| 14:33.41 | |Jelly| | Rayne, I have two answers for you: "because they let him" and "log in and ask him yourself because I'm also not him" |
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| 14:34.04 | |Jelly| | Would I personally want to suffer through a new raid without being defense capped? No, but again, I'm not him. |
| 14:34.27 | AbsoRayne | Anyone watching CNN? |
| 14:34.35 | Shirik | ok night |
| 14:34.37 | pompy | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Nathrezim&n=miksta thats me |
| 14:35.00 | AbsoRayne | pompy: You have AttT, I like you |
| 14:35.57 | pompy | AttT? lol |
| 14:36.11 | |Jelly| | Armored to the Teeth, I assume |
| 14:36.21 | pompy | ah yeah |
| 14:36.22 | |Jelly| | (I looked) |
| 14:36.34 | pompy | i havent put my new 3 points in anything yet.. |
| 14:36.41 | pompy | prolly gonna throw them in revenge |
| 14:37.16 | AbsoRayne | Imp Revenge. After that, get Imp Bloodrage |
| 14:37.24 | AbsoRayne | and Warbringer |
| 14:37.40 | |Jelly| | i put them in lol bom thinking they fixed the battle shout crap ... but they haven't so my imp bom is over written every time. :( |
| 14:37.56 | AbsoRayne | And holy god man, get Vigilance O_o |
| 14:39.47 | AbsoRayne | the search of Armory shows Rayne @ 77, but the profile page shows 80 |
| 14:39.49 | AbsoRayne | Tasty. |
| 14:43.54 | pompy | lol yeah, of my so far 3 points, ima put it in vigilance |
| 14:46.30 | Fatalis[AFK] | i just made my first addon, and im wondering if something similar already exists. i've searched around but couldnt find anything similar. the addon shows your pending auction money (1 hour countdown after "a buyer has been found for your auction of X") |
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| 14:49.28 | opant | Fatalis[AFK]: I dont think something like that exists. Unless its some sort of function of a mail addon or auction addon |
| 14:49.58 | opant | Although...not sure what purpose it would be other than seeing what money you will have in an hour...even though you can't spend it :x |
| 14:50.19 | Fatalis[AFK] | yeah ive looked into a few huge mail/auction addons, none of them had it |
| 14:50.23 | Fatalis[AFK] | pretty sure it doesnt exist |
| 14:51.02 | Fatalis[AFK] | yeah its kind of useless, but i like knowing when i can start heading to mailbox sometimes |
| 14:51.37 | Fatalis[AFK] | ive seen a request for it on curse a while back so i guess im not the only one who would use it |
| 14:51.43 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.14 | Fatalis[AFK] | i guess its more useful when you're poor |
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| 14:53.52 | Nom- | argh... finally worked it out (i think) with help from cedega |
| 14:54.00 | Nom- | 32-bit apps are not accelerated, only 64-bit |
| 14:54.20 | Nom- | There seems to be a missing dependency, and I'm just trying to find a soluation to that :( |
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| 14:57.09 | Josh_Borke | why would anyone ever be poor? |
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| 14:59.46 | Fatalis[AFK] | using all your gold for reselling |
| 14:59.58 | Fatalis[AFK] | yaheaheahehe |
| 15:00.05 | Fatalis[AFK] | lol* |
| 15:03.05 | Nom- | Problem solvered. |
| 15:03.11 | Nom- | Should have gone to #fedora a *long* time ago |
| 15:03.16 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 15:03.27 | jnwhiteh | what ended up being the problem? |
| 15:05.29 | Nom- | Missing 32-bit libraries |
| 15:05.37 | Nom- | Of all things |
| 15:06.05 | Nom- | The good news is, the WoW login screen is *excessively* smooth |
| 15:06.12 | Nom- | I'll have to wait and see how the rest looks when servers come up |
| 15:07.11 | Nom- | Audio to fix now... which I think involves disabling the default audio system and using ALSA instead |
| 15:07.15 | Nom- | My mate told me about that earlier |
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| 15:17.19 | boshi | Are the Test Servers available ? I'm looking for somewhere to test my addons during maintenance. |
| 15:19.40 | Nom- | hmm now if only i could create a nice desktop shortcut which has the WoW logo |
| 15:19.46 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.17 | Lopeppeppy | I almost came back with a smart answer, except you're using *nix. Bad Peppy. |
| 15:21.32 | kneeki | Nom-: http://www.extreme-x.net/e107_images/icons/wow_icon.png ? |
| 15:21.55 | Nom- | I'll see if the Wine shortcut thing will use it |
| 15:21.55 | Nom- | sec |
| 15:21.57 | cbreak | that's tiny |
| 15:22.01 | kneeki | It will |
| 15:22.07 | kneeki | And there are higher resolutions out there =p |
| 15:22.20 | kneeki | But that's the icon I use for my wine link on my desktop =) |
| 15:22.28 | Nom- | ah sweet, it does work |
| 15:22.36 | kneeki | yep |
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| 15:24.24 | cbreak | http://the-color-black.net/dl/avatars/LauncherGeneric.png |
| 15:24.32 | cbreak | has correct alpha too :) |
| 15:25.19 | kneeki | that's a lot better |
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| 15:25.19 | cbreak | that's the icon the real wow uses on OS X |
| 15:26.21 | cbreak | http://the-color-black.net/dl/avatars/Installer.png is the installer icon. |
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| 15:34.05 | jnwhiteh | Can anyone explain to me WHY my fingers just hit Control-Alt-Backspace? |
| 15:34.15 | jnwhiteh | its not like this is a normal thing for me to do... |
| 15:34.22 | Josh_Borke | jnwhiteh: you wanted to cause yourself pain |
| 15:34.27 | Lopeppeppy | This is your alter ego demanding either food, or sleep. Or both. |
| 15:34.33 | Josh_Borke | that and i made your voodoo doll do it |
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| 15:36.28 | mikma | Battle for Undercity hotfixed |
| 15:36.30 | mikma | fooking yey |
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| 15:36.54 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 15:36.57 | jnwhiteh | wassat? |
| 15:37.47 | batrick | http://books.google.com/books?id=jNka_Fi-dB8C&pg=PA408&lpg=PA408&dq=richards+faults+1974&source=web&ots=S2xE8nQrq_&sig=evJOCCjEDoseQkdTjnPXU36T9NY&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result |
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| 15:38.04 | jnwhiteh | heyas Quaiche_ |
| 15:38.07 | batrick | anyone recognize the parenthesis "operator" around S and s-1 |
| 15:38.10 | batrick | in the equation |
| 15:38.22 | batrick | I can't remember wtf it is |
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| 15:41.08 | Beladona | sigh |
| 15:41.11 | batrick | im convinced it's some sort of poorly rewritten equation but I can't find any record of it on the internetz |
| 15:41.18 | Beladona | one of our main tanks apparently went stupid |
| 15:41.31 | Beladona | he is gearing with half dps gear |
| 15:41.54 | kneeki | Beladona: Eh? |
| 15:42.01 | kneeki | What lvl? |
| 15:42.04 | Beladona | I mean is is wearing dps gear in some slots to tank |
| 15:42.30 | Beladona | 78 now |
| 15:42.48 | Beladona | I asked him why, and he said because he does more threat |
| 15:42.50 | kneeki | It doesn't matter all that much then. Until he's in heroics anyway |
| 15:42.56 | Beladona | no you dont get it |
| 15:43.01 | Beladona | he thinks that is the way to gear |
| 15:43.04 | Beladona | even after |
| 15:43.13 | kneeki | lol oh |
| 15:43.25 | Beladona | I can tell the difference between him and another tank to |
| 15:43.28 | Beladona | when I heal him |
| 15:43.33 | kneeki | Tell him that |
| 15:43.38 | Beladona | he doesn't listen |
| 15:43.39 | Beladona | I tried |
| 15:43.44 | kneeki | Boot his ass then |
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| 15:44.07 | Beladona | I wish I could. He is one of only 3 tanks we have right now |
| 15:44.14 | Beladona | all the rest respecced dps |
| 15:44.21 | Beladona | hopefully they go back before raid time |
| 15:44.28 | kneeki | Permanently? |
| 15:44.32 | Beladona | not sure yet |
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| 15:44.52 | Quaiche_ | Be patient |
| 15:44.55 | pompy | ok if you main tank is gonna wear dps gear while tanking, he doesnt know his class |
| 15:45.11 | pompy | -50 dkp |
| 15:45.13 | Quaiche_ | He isn't playing MT |
| 15:45.15 | Quaiche_ | LOL |
| 15:46.03 | foxlit | Death Knight kiting: oddest thing ever |
| 15:46.16 | Beladona | I asked him about it, he said he does it because he generates more threat that way |
| 15:46.16 | jnwhiteh | Beladona: when did you remove line numbers from wowcompares... |
| 15:46.25 | pompy | no |
| 15:46.28 | pompy | expertise does that |
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| 15:46.33 | Beladona | I know |
| 15:46.41 | pompy | and generating threat |
| 15:46.52 | pompy | lol well he's obviously wrong |
| 15:46.57 | Beladona | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Medivh&n=Succube |
| 15:47.02 | pompy | rage* |
| 15:47.25 | Quaiche | At 78 it doesn't matter |
| 15:47.27 | Quaiche | He'll figure it out |
| 15:47.29 | Quaiche | Or he'll die |
| 15:47.35 | Beladona | 414 defense, wow thats bad |
| 15:47.57 | Beladona | Quaiche, he started doing this before WotLK came out |
| 15:47.59 | kneeki | He's very crittable |
| 15:48.06 | Quaiche | Then he isn't a MT Beladona |
| 15:48.10 | pompy | he doesnt even have the tanking brackers form attunmen? |
| 15:48.11 | pompy | lol |
| 15:48.13 | Quaiche | Stop thinking of him as one |
| 15:48.16 | pompy | or the badge ones |
| 15:48.18 | pompy | come on |
| 15:48.26 | Beladona | as it stands, he is our only warrior tank |
| 15:48.29 | Quaiche | So |
| 15:48.38 | Beladona | so we will have to recruit I guess |
| 15:48.40 | Quaiche | Fired! |
| 15:48.41 | pompy | well u better force him to regear |
| 15:48.45 | Quaiche | Fired! |
| 15:49.00 | AbsoRayne | god damn |
| 15:49.01 | Quaiche | He's a warrior, but he's not a tank. Find another way. |
| 15:49.06 | AbsoRayne | I was playing CoD4 |
| 15:49.15 | AbsoRayne | At full volume with my expensive headphones |
| 15:49.19 | AbsoRayne | I think im deaf |
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| 15:56.20 | zenzelezz | who cares about that, we can watch peppy and Seerah meanwhile |
| 15:56.30 | Seerah | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 15:56.30 | purl | farts in zenzelezz's general direction |
| 15:56.50 | zenzelezz | your own fault for huggling in public |
| 15:57.02 | Beladona | I hafta say though. Full T6 makes a big difference in WotLK |
| 15:57.13 | Beladona | some of these instnaces are so easy its pitiful |
| 15:57.27 | Beladona | at 73 I was doing level 78 dungons |
| 15:57.32 | Lopeppeppy | No one can stop the huggles! |
| 15:57.34 | Beladona | without breaking a sweat |
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| 15:58.37 | Seerah | Bela: yeah, hubby and his guild are moving along easily, too |
| 15:58.48 | Seerah | not sure if he's replaced anything/much yet |
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| 16:07.09 | jnwhiteh | and Beladona ignored my question =/ |
| 16:07.09 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: We are aware that some players are experiencing latency, which may also cause them to be disconnected.. . This is being investigated and any issues will be resolved as soon as possible.. |
| 16:07.09 | Shiibot | For more information regarding possible problems with latency and disconnections, please refer to the âNetwork Issues and Disconnectionsâ thread on our Technical Support Forum.. |
| 16:07.09 | Shiibot | We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause.. . . Weekly Maintenance, 19/11. This Wednesday there will be a scheduled maintenance. Please note that all European realms will be offline from 05:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET). |
| 16:07.41 | jnwhiteh|away | off to a seminar.. be back in a bit,. |
| 16:08.12 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: no-one was trying to stop them :-p |
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| 16:13.55 | Lopeppeppy | I really need to find a new home for my paladin and get started playing him again. I MISS healing groups!!!!! |
| 16:15.43 | opant | healing groups and pally dont go together well, heh |
| 16:16.00 | opant | healing singular..now thats a different story :D |
| 16:17.23 | Lopeppeppy | opan, I am perfectly capable of group healing. *sigh* People with your belief system are exactly why it sucks. |
| 16:18.49 | opant | I was just sillying :x |
| 16:21.27 | Lopeppeppy | My usual reply is much more snarky. "I can heal any intelligent player. Do you qualify?" This is just a crappy rap that paladin healers get. We do better in raids as single-target healers, but in a group we do just fine so long as the group isn't hell-bent on mass suicide. Being the offtank and healer is cool. :) |
| 16:22.27 | opant | yeah..I heal with a priest..used to MT healing |
| 16:25.11 | Lopeppeppy | I like my priest, and my shaman, but I miss having to really work for it the way that I do with my paladin. |
| 16:25.57 | cbreak | I like my mage. |
| 16:26.05 | opant | I enjoy healing 5 man dungeons more than the raid environment |
| 16:26.09 | cbreak | and all my other chars are just alts that didn't reach 60 |
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| 16:26.21 | opant | more dependency, more work |
| 16:26.47 | Lopeppeppy | Raiding can get boring for a paladin at times, but I miss that too. |
| 16:27.36 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=388011140&postId=126602137435&sid=1#81 Troll, or just an idiot? |
| 16:28.52 | batrick | sometimes people accidently sort the threads and reply to a very old post |
| 16:29.00 | batrick | I've done that on accident occasionally |
| 16:29.26 | Beladona | I ran a pug last night |
| 16:29.36 | Beladona | they got mad at me because one of them died |
| 16:30.02 | Lopeppeppy | They put in a topic dear to their heart, and look for ones that an OMG BLUE has replied to, and then add their own thoughts, regardless of how old the thread is. |
| 16:30.06 | Beladona | apparently they don't understand that you shouldn't stand in things that do dmg, and you should maybe stand close to other people when you have a shaman healer |
| 16:30.19 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes just so they can search by their own name and always find that one blue post. |
| 16:32.56 | alestane | I didn't even tell him that his argument in that post makes no sense whatsoever. |
| 16:33.26 | Lopeppeppy | "Old post is old. Go find a dead horse that's a bit more fresh, and goes thud. This is reduced to squelching noises and sticking to your boots." |
| 16:33.48 | AbsoRayne | god its cold here |
| 16:33.53 | cbreak | I _want_ a dead horse! |
| 16:33.55 | AbsoRayne | I wasnt ready for it to be cold yet |
| 16:34.00 | cbreak | why do you think I farm rivendare? |
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| 16:37.33 | opant | I dont have the skill to farm rivendare :( |
| 16:38.41 | AbsoRayne | :D |
| 16:39.03 | pompy | lol |
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| 16:40.29 | |pez| | AbsoRayne: ... what is it? |
| 16:40.46 | AbsoRayne | I have a bog needler from Zangar named Fleshlight |
| 16:41.05 | |pez| | ... XD |
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| 16:42.56 | AbsoRayne | I also have a wolf named GrnldPns, and a Serpent named WngdPns |
| 16:42.58 | AbsoRayne | Yeah |
| 16:43.04 | AbsoRayne | I have too many boredom issues |
| 16:43.28 | kneeki | I named my raptor 'CleverGirl' |
| 16:44.21 | Nom- | I named my cat "Kitteh" |
| 16:45.05 | AbsoRayne | Theres these twins that are in my Guild, their hunters are named Shawt and Shewt. Their pets are both called 'TaKill' |
| 16:47.23 | |pez| | I named my lynx Decoy. |
| 16:47.41 | |pez| | I had one named Bait once too. |
| 16:47.41 | opant | I reported a pet name yesterday on my realm. |
| 16:47.48 | |pez| | opant :o |
| 16:47.59 | opant | well it was racist :> |
| 16:48.08 | |pez| | well, what was it? |
| 16:48.18 | opant | "Obama" |
| 16:48.27 | |pez| | -__-' |
| 16:48.28 | cbreak | that's racist? |
| 16:48.36 | |pez| | That's not really racist. |
| 16:48.45 | cbreak | the future US president is a racist? I knew it! |
| 16:48.46 | |pez| | maybe he thinks his pet is awesome, just like Obama?` |
| 16:48.46 | opant | when the pet is a gorilla it is |
| 16:49.11 | cbreak | you should have reported it because it is a name of a real person |
| 16:50.14 | opant | ..I guess I'm wrong then |
| 16:51.06 | cbreak | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html says under naming rules, point 4 of disallowed names "# That belongs to a popular culture figure, celebrity, or media personality;" |
| 16:51.37 | cbreak | and point 6: "# Belonging to any religious figure or deity;" |
| 16:51.41 | cbreak | take your pick :) |
| 16:51.53 | opant | lol, obama as a religious figure |
| 16:52.28 | Nom- | yum search firefox |
| 16:52.31 | Nom- | oops wrong window |
| 16:52.45 | End | lol |
| 16:52.52 | opant | or in some peoples thoughts point 6: "Related to drugs, sex, alcohol, or criminal activity;" |
| 16:56.31 | Nom- | So, "HiltonHookerForObama" is completely out? |
| 16:56.57 | cbreak | yes. no partial or complete sentences |
| 16:57.36 | Nom- | Does it violate *all* the rules ? |
| 16:57.49 | Nom- | If not, we need to find a name which violates them all |
| 16:58.08 | Nom- | Then roll a character with that name, and see how long before it's named is forcefully changed. |
| 16:58.23 | |pez| | I remember a guildie of mine had "ImWithStupid" as his pet name. |
| 16:58.42 | opant | well...Obama doesn't belong to any religous figure or deity... |
| 16:59.06 | |pez| | But he can be considered a popular culture figure I guess. |
| 16:59.15 | |pez| | and a celebrity. |
| 16:59.20 | opant | we're looking for something that violates them all :p |
| 16:59.53 | Nom- | Jesus violates all except media personality. |
| 17:00.20 | |pez| | Elvis! |
| 17:00.20 | opant | he's related to drugs, sex, and/or alcohol? |
| 17:00.38 | |pez| | Elvis is the answer. |
| 17:01.06 | |pez| | I'mm go make calorie lacking soup now. kthz. |
| 17:01.09 | |pez| | kthx* |
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| 17:01.41 | opant | ElvisIsAl00tkadfha |
| 17:01.46 | opant | would violate all. |
| 17:02.10 | |pez| | what's a kadfha? |
| 17:02.21 | opant | 9 and 10 |
| 17:02.40 | opant | comprised of gibberish and a sentence |
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| 17:02.47 | |pez| | aaha |
| 17:03.09 | Corr-work | greetings, from the dark side of the corporate firewall |
| 17:03.21 | End | greetings |
| 17:03.54 | Corr-work | yes, i can taste the excitement |
| 17:05.38 | mikma | wobwork: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jf0G0hZG0xxhZfM0hxfoxcqMc |
| 17:05.50 | opant | I think something is wrong with me...I've had two muffins and 1/2 cup of noodles the past 2 days :x |
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| 17:26.05 | Corr-work | maybe i should try the other proxy again... looks like this one disconnects after a while |
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| 17:33.52 | Corr-work | let's see if this helps |
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| 17:44.24 | Shirik | wtf |
| 17:44.35 | Shirik | I'm reviewing requirements for this report to GM we're working on |
| 17:45.01 | Shirik | and there's notes on this section that says "Summarize 7.1 and 7.2" from our professor: |
| 17:45.03 | Shirik | "Failure to complete this section before submission will result in getting shot. Briefly sum up what tools we are using, what additional tools that we need, and what we are doing with them." |
| 17:45.27 | Josh_Borke | i guess he didn't expect anyone to read it |
| 17:45.29 | NightHawkTheSane | ... you should complete that section. |
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| 17:52.06 | NightHawkTheSane | oh dear god.. "So, we decided to put a lot of the background logic in the application's MouseMove event." |
| 17:52.14 | NightHawkTheSane | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Hidden-Tax-Moves.aspx |
| 17:55.54 | Josh_Borke | that's funny |
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| 18:00.58 | Lunessa | skidoosh! |
| 18:05.11 | jnwhiteh | Anyone on a Druid/Paladin/Shaman with an item that can be used in the relic slot? |
| 18:05.34 | Shirik | uh, I have one |
| 18:05.35 | mikma | jnwhiteh: damn, i did a quest like that yesterday before i went to bed .O |
| 18:05.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i can be in a sec |
| 18:05.56 | NightHawkTheSane | oh wait, do you mean a non-relic item that can be put in the relic s lot? ie-egon's blaster? |
| 18:06.08 | mikma | RJR Rifle |
| 18:06.16 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: I play a shaman with a relic item. |
| 18:06.16 | jnwhiteh | NightHawkTheSane: if you could run /dump GetInventoryItemsForSlot(GetInventorySlotInfo("RangedSlot")) |
| 18:06.28 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38573 :) |
| 18:06.33 | jnwhiteh | I just need someone who has a relic, to unequip it and then run that code |
| 18:06.49 | jnwhiteh | Prior to 3.0.X it did not work for relics, I want to see if that was fixed or not. |
| 18:06.51 | mikma | a normal relic will do? |
| 18:06.51 | NightHawkTheSane | k, sec. |
| 18:07.02 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 18:07.04 | Shirik | :( jnwhiteh |
| 18:07.06 | Shirik | I see how it is |
| 18:07.19 | jnwhiteh | This just returns a list of items that can go in the given slot |
| 18:07.27 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: orly? |
| 18:07.33 | Shirik | you're all like "Oh I like NightHawkTheSane better" |
| 18:07.40 | mikma | jnwhiteh: well... |
| 18:07.45 | jnwhiteh | oh, his name stuck out more :P |
| 18:07.53 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 18:07.53 | foxlit | [1048594]=39208 |
| 18:08.01 | mikma | jnwhiteh: 4196372 = 33507 |
| 18:08.09 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: and is 39208 the relic you don't have equipped? |
| 18:08.16 | mikma | jnwhiteh: that comes with shaman, relic unequipped |
| 18:08.27 | Shirik | 011115 |
| 18:08.30 | Shirik | er |
| 18:08.33 | foxlit | yep |
| 18:08.36 | jnwhiteh | Huzzah |
| 18:08.42 | jnwhiteh | DressToKill can now support relics :P |
| 18:08.47 | jnwhiteh | and should by default |
| 18:09.11 | foxlit | What's the key? |
| 18:09.18 | jnwhiteh | a bitmask telling you where the item is. |
| 18:09.20 | mikma | jnwhiteh: 1048594 = 33507 with relic |
| 18:09.24 | jnwhiteh | see http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetInventoryItemsForSlot |
| 18:09.39 | jnwhiteh | I also need to see if it searches bank bags |
| 18:09.43 | jnwhiteh | if anyone wants to test that for me :P |
| 18:10.27 | Nom- | bonza. |
| 18:10.36 | Nom- | Got WoW fully working. Shall try performance tomorrow. |
| 18:10.45 | Nom- | Sound, video, the whole shebang |
| 18:11.01 | jnwhiteh | That would require you going to the bank and putting a known item into a BANK BAG. Then let me know what slot it's for and I can give you the snippet to run |
| 18:11.41 | jnwhiteh | mikma: what class were you on when DTK tried to equip your 2-hander into your offhand slot? |
| 18:12.03 | mikma | jnwhiteh: errrrrrr, damn. druid or shaman |
| 18:12.07 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 18:12.15 | jnwhiteh | both who can equip 2handers |
| 18:12.18 | jnwhiteh | but not in that slot, thanks! |
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| 18:12.48 | mikma | jnwhiteh: i'm 95% certain it was a druid |
| 18:13.03 | jnwhiteh | Druid/Shaman is fine |
| 18:13.09 | jnwhiteh | Just needed to say what class we saw it on :p |
| 18:13.11 | Jelly-School | ~hug Peppy |
| 18:13.11 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Peppy |
| 18:13.16 | jnwhiteh | and classes that can equip 2-handers makes sense |
| 18:13.24 | Shirik | ~hug Jelly-School |
| 18:13.24 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Jelly-School and suddenly hugs Jelly-School tightly |
| 18:13.49 | Jelly-School | ~hug Shirik |
| 18:13.49 | purl | ACTION jumps into Shirik's lap and huggles and *hugs* Shirik |
| 18:14.15 | erikd | hey everyone |
| 18:14.20 | erikd | back to work today =/ |
| 18:14.20 | Jelly-School | Hey |
| 18:14.22 | jnwhiteh | aaw.. no one wants to do the bank bag test? |
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| 18:14.36 | Shirik | you said you don't like me |
| 18:14.50 | Jelly-School | Wait. What? |
| 18:15.00 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: I said nothing of the sort |
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| 18:15.08 | Shirik | yes you did, I totally have it right here |
| 18:15.09 | jnwhiteh | but this doesn't need to be a relic-wearing class, just anyone with a bank bag :P |
| 18:15.21 | Shirik | (13:14:57) (@jnwhiteh) Shirik: NightHawkTheSane is better than you and I don't like you |
| 18:15.32 | jnwhiteh | U KEELED HIM |
| 18:15.39 | NightHawkTheSane | WOO! |
| 18:15.45 | mikma | jnwhiteh: all except rogues can wear 2h weapons? |
| 18:15.52 | Shirik | but um |
| 18:15.55 | Shirik | what am I supposed to be testing? |
| 18:16.00 | Lopeppeppy | Pizza. |
| 18:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning again, Shirik. |
| 18:16.05 | Jelly-School | So apparently if you've left your wallet at home, the cafeteria is the BEST place to put a laptop area (plugs). I should have made breakfast before I left :( |
| 18:16.13 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: Open the bank, and put a mainhand weapon into a bag in the bank |
| 18:16.15 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, Jelly. |
| 18:16.27 | Shirik | while equipped? |
| 18:16.37 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: Well it can't be both equipped and in the bag :P |
| 18:16.47 | Shirik | I mean straight from equip to bank |
| 18:16.56 | jnwhiteh | then you /dump GetInventoryItemsForSlot(GetInventorySlotInfo("MainHandSlot")) |
| 18:16.59 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't matter |
| 18:17.03 | jnwhiteh | while the bank is open, run that |
| 18:17.11 | jnwhiteh | and see if the wep you placed in the bag is listed |
| 18:17.13 | jnwhiteh | hopefully it is |
| 18:17.28 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: GetInventoryItemsForSlot does not appear to be returning elements for relics in my bank, only the 2 i have in my bags |
| 18:17.34 | Jelly-School | I'm trying to see how much it's going to cost to get my truck inspected. I need to do that and have cash in my pocket for it however, I'm a) not sure they'll let me with out my license b) will accept my shitty copy of my insurance information. :( |
| 18:17.35 | Shirik | { some table } |
| 18:17.35 | jnwhiteh | which means you can DressToKill at the bank, once I've written the bitmask decipherer |
| 18:17.42 | jnwhiteh | NightHawkTheSane: even when the bank is open? |
| 18:17.50 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: the values in that table are item numbers |
| 18:17.51 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, let me see |
| 18:18.00 | NightHawkTheSane | it does then, yes. >< |
| 18:18.01 | Shirik | yeah so it has 3 sets of numbers |
| 18:18.09 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly, no on A, maybe on b. Here in NY it's a flat fee, $35 IIRC, must be paid in cash. |
| 18:18.17 | NightHawkTheSane | (it's been a rough morning..) |
| 18:18.34 | jnwhiteh | you can /run for k,v in pairs(GetInventoryItemsForSlot(GetInventorySlotInfo("MainHandSlot"))) do ChatFrame1:AddMessage(select(2, GetItemInfo(v))) end |
| 18:18.40 | Shirik | oh I see what you're doing |
| 18:18.44 | Jelly-School | Peppy: My scanner seemed to have ATE some of the words. They look all garbled. |
| 18:18.46 | jnwhiteh | and it'll print the links of the mainhand weaps it found |
| 18:18.58 | Shirik | you're trying to see if it still says it's available while in bank |
| 18:18.59 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly, you can try, but be prepared for them to say I don't think so Charlie. |
| 18:19.01 | Jelly-School | ...or maybe the printer |
| 18:19.11 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: yes, because pre 3.0.x it wasn't.. and i reported it as a bug |
| 18:19.18 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: But yeah, it works fine while the bank is open, and finds items in the bank |
| 18:19.18 | Shirik | yes, it does |
| 18:19.20 | jnwhiteh | if its fixed, I need to figure out bank slot bitmasks |
| 18:19.23 | jnwhiteh | Hawt |
| 18:19.26 | Shirik | it even says the weapon I haven't taken out since pre-BC |
| 18:19.31 | jnwhiteh | then I have to write that function |
| 18:19.35 | Shirik | Lok'delar! |
| 18:19.46 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: yeah, it'll say anything that can possibly go in that slot.. regardless of whether or not you have the skill for it, etc. |
| 18:20.06 | erikd | ~faq |
| 18:20.07 | purl | hmm... faq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_FAQ |
| 18:20.15 | erikd | well that's not right |
| 18:20.31 | jnwhiteh | that's because people think purl is their personal bot |
| 18:20.35 | erikd | wow is using lua 5.1 right? |
| 18:20.43 | jnwhiteh | erikd: ish.. its not stock |
| 18:21.10 | erikd | but if i install the latest lua release and start messing with console scripts it'll help me in making wow mods, right? |
| 18:21.29 | Shirik | it will help[ you learn the language |
| 18:21.36 | erikd | that's all i need :) |
| 18:23.27 | tlund | if i want to make a really, really small addon, is it possible to just have a small (correct) .toc that includes a .lua that says something like this: |
| 18:23.30 | tlund | RegisterEvent("PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED"); |
| 18:23.33 | tlund | function PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED() |
| 18:23.36 | tlund | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.39 | tlund | end |
| 18:23.40 | tlund | ..or how would i do that? |
| 18:23.47 | Shirik | tlund: do not paste code in this channel |
| 18:23.59 | Shirik | and no, you need to create a frame |
| 18:24.41 | tlund | ok, soo i need to create a minimal frame and give it an eventhandler? |
| 18:24.48 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:25.00 | Corr-work | it must be a MAXIMAL frame |
| 18:25.12 | tlund | Corr-work: heh :) |
| 18:25.49 | Corr-work | ...damn it, i can't remember how to change my font in mirc |
| 18:26.05 | tlund | i know that i can just create the frame from lua, i dont need an .xml-file, can someone point me to an example on how to do that? |
| 18:26.16 | Corr-work | there it is, they hid it |
| 18:26.42 | tlund | oh. http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CreateFrame has the answer i guess. :) |
| 18:26.57 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:27.22 | Shirik | you can just use CreateFrame("FRAME") to create an invisible frame and be done |
| 18:27.40 | jnwhiteh | CreateFrame("Frame") |
| 18:27.45 | jnwhiteh | caps lock is cruise control for cool |
| 18:28.01 | Shirik | That's why my addons have them in caps :P |
| 18:28.06 | jnwhiteh | lamer |
| 18:28.20 | Corr-work | cruise control for code |
| 18:28.30 | foxlit | No, that's brackets |
| 18:28.36 | Corr-work | sucker |
| 18:33.21 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. drakuru got a nice model upgrade |
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| 18:37.36 | Code | hello |
| 18:37.41 | cogwheel | hi |
| 18:39.11 | Code | i have a question that I've been beating my head against my desk to answer... since WoWWiki's list of CVar's has not been updated since 3.0... does anybody know the CVar that represents the "Show Helm" and "Show Cloak" interface options? I'm aware of the ShowHelm() and ShowCloak() API functions, but i'm interested in the CVar |
| 18:39.15 | Lunessa | hai2u |
| 18:39.25 | jnwhiteh | Code: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/cvars |
| 18:39.41 | jnwhiteh | Code: Don't use wowwiki if you dont' have to.. wowprogramming is up to date after every patch for CVars, Events, Frame Methods, and Functions |
| 18:39.49 | jnwhiteh | new ones may not be documented immediately |
| 18:39.52 | jnwhiteh | but they are all listed |
| 18:39.54 | Code | ok... was not aware of that, thanks very much! |
| 18:39.59 | jnwhiteh | you're welcome! |
| 18:40.03 | cogwheel | Code: not every setting has an associated CVar |
| 18:40.08 | cogwheel | some are stored in blizzard saved variables |
| 18:40.15 | jnwhiteh | However, in your case .. what he said :P |
| 18:40.34 | Code | so far i've been able to map every interface function to a cVar, except for a few, these included |
| 18:40.48 | cogwheel | k |
| 18:40.58 | alestane | And some are just stored internally, like the function that fetches from the server which action bars are shown. |
| 18:41.00 | cogwheel | so far i've never been to china |
| 18:41.04 | cogwheel | doesn't mean it doesn't exist :P |
| 18:41.19 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Dig more ihmo |
| 18:41.30 | Code | i see, thanks for your help |
| 18:41.36 | cogwheel | Lunessa: no, that would get me to the ocean off the coast of Madagascar |
| 18:41.52 | Code | so is this the most prominent IRC wow dev channel? |
| 18:41.56 | Corr-work | i don't know, those chinars are pretty tricky. i'm starting to think it doesn't exist either. |
| 18:41.59 | Lunessa | Wait, aren't there Lemurs there? I mean... I'd go for that. |
| 18:42.22 | cogwheel | Code: there are some other more specialized ones like wowace, but this is the main anything goes ui dev channel |
| 18:42.25 | Lunessa | Code: There's others, but this is more of a "general" than a specific like #wowace |
| 18:42.32 | Corr-work | that's one of those miscellaneous, small animals, isn't it? |
| 18:42.35 | cogwheel | GET OUTTA MY HEAD LUNESSA! |
| 18:42.36 | jnwhiteh | asyncHandlerTimeout100 |
| 18:42.36 | Lopeppeppy | Code: What they said! |
| 18:42.38 | jnwhiteh | asyncThreadSleep0 |
| 18:42.43 | jnwhiteh | by the way, those look fun :P |
| 18:42.45 | cogwheel | ~huggle Lopeppeppy |
| 18:42.47 | Code | i see, thanks ^^ hopefully i'll find a nice home here |
| 18:42.52 | Lunessa | cogwheel: No, it's roomy in here, and you have cable tv. |
| 18:42.58 | cogwheel | satellite |
| 18:42.58 | Lopeppeppy | Purl doesn't know how to huggle, cogwheel. Take her out back and teach her. |
| 18:43.16 | cogwheel | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 18:43.16 | purl | ACTION hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 18:43.24 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 18:43.24 | purl | Lopeppeppy: thanks |
| 18:43.33 | Corr-work | *perk* |
| 18:43.41 | Code | i'm working on an external wow configuration utility, i multibox 5 shaman and it's such a pain walking through config menu after config menu, only to be pixels off on certain UI sliders |
| 18:44.59 | cogwheel | Code: what about making an addon instead? |
| 18:45.06 | cogwheel | that sets all your settings when you log in |
| 18:45.07 | Code | it will integrate with an addon |
| 18:45.21 | Corr-work | that's an awfully nifty idea |
| 18:45.33 | Code | but the wow interface is not conducive to certain nicities we're used to in our OS' |
| 18:45.37 | Lopeppeppy | You can't have something external that integrates with an addon. |
| 18:45.40 | Corr-work | although copying the files to the other copies of the program would be sufficient, i think |
| 18:45.55 | Jelly-School | ~~~~~ |
| 18:45.56 | purl | grrrr |
| 18:46.02 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe you should be more specific about what you're doing, 'cause the generalities are too confusing and sound like something you can't really do. |
| 18:46.23 | cogwheel | Jelly-School: http://bioephemera.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jellroom.jpg |
| 18:46.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Dunno if I linked this earlier but |
| 18:46.48 | ScytheBlade1 | http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9738/lolrt5.jpg <-- whispers our realm first DK got |
| 18:46.55 | ScytheBlade1 | *some of the whispers |
| 18:47.47 | cogwheel | Gratz x 5, you have no life, repeat |
| 18:48.12 | Lopeppeppy | I hate, really hate, that achievements are broadcast like that. Such an epeen wanking. |
| 18:48.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: agreed. |
| 18:48.31 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: i would have gone /dnd before i dinged >.> |
| 18:48.36 | Code | ok... it's essentially an Excel sheet that maps each and every game menu option to it's respective CVar in the game (in the appropriate directory), the embedded VBA writes outward to the appropriate local configuration files, so you basically can install a fresh wow, configure all options from this spreadsheet, press a button, and boom, every wow option (that's stored locally) is just the |
| 18:48.43 | cogwheel | well, it would be wanking if they all started linking their achievements in trade |
| 18:48.57 | cogwheel | :P |
| 18:48.59 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: because that's not going to happen |
| 18:49.01 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: You can choose not to receive them if you're so inclined. |
| 18:49.10 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: he did. "/dnd <New Content> is looking for warlocks and hunters!" |
| 18:49.34 | alestane | Or at least, not to have them displayed in your chat, which amounts to the same thing. |
| 18:49.48 | cogwheel | haha |
| 18:49.49 | NightHawkTheSane | well, yeah, i guess |
| 18:50.06 | Jelly-School | cogwheek: <3 |
| 18:50.11 | Corr-work | can you choose not to participate in acheivements at all? |
| 18:50.24 | cogwheel | Jelly-School: lern2tabcomplete |
| 18:50.25 | cogwheel | :P |
| 18:50.27 | cogwheel | <3 |
| 18:50.40 | Jelly-School | eating :( |
| 18:51.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Corr-work: as in not get any of them? |
| 18:51.25 | cogwheel | hmm... if i cancel a non-quick format in the middle, will it prevent me from doing a quick format? |
| 18:51.33 | cogwheel | (ntfs, winxp installer) |
| 18:51.39 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 18:51.52 | ScytheBlade1 | A quick format just writes a new NTFS header (and footer) |
| 18:51.55 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I don't think they should be default be broadcast, is what I'm saying. I don't want to see everyone else wanking off electronically at me. |
| 18:51.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Ignores everything else |
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| 18:52.12 | cogwheel | earlier ms formatters would bitch if it hadn't been formatted already |
| 18:52.25 | Corr-work | yeah, ScytheBlade1, not acheive any acheivements |
| 18:52.35 | Corr-work | despite doing whatever it is they require, just being ignored for them |
| 18:53.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Well sure, it wouldn't be hard to unregister a few events |
| 18:53.23 | ScytheBlade1 | An addon could do it |
| 18:53.40 | cogwheel | i think he means opt-out completely |
| 18:53.50 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 18:53.59 | alestane | Corr-work: You could disable the Acheivement UI and your view of the messages, but you can't actually refuse to get the achievements. |
| 18:54.13 | cogwheel | and everyone else will still see you achieving them |
| 18:54.24 | Lopeppeppy | ^ and ^^m exactly what I think stinks |
| 18:55.20 | Corr-work | amazing |
| 18:55.39 | alestane | So you want the ability to decide on your end that no-one else needs to know when you complete your 50th quest, or whatever? |
| 18:55.58 | Lopeppeppy | And to not see them waving their own achievements in my face as well. |
| 18:56.12 | Lopeppeppy | I don't CARE what they are doing that's so spiffy. STFU, game, and let me ignore the epeen. |
| 18:56.21 | Corr-work | well, i don't play, but if i -did- play, i'd want to be excluded from them. |
| 18:56.36 | alestane | So ignore them? |
| 18:56.46 | Corr-work | they would do nothing but interfere with... i don't know, whatever i found fun in wow. killing the same enemies over and over i guess. |
| 18:57.10 | Corr-work | you can't ignore things when 50 other people are seeing you do them and talking to you about what you're doing |
| 18:57.31 | Lopeppeppy | That's DND, Corr-work. I don't want to see the system messages. |
| 18:57.40 | Lopeppeppy | Those should NOT be default forced on me, IMO. |
| 18:58.12 | Corr-work | that too, and why should other people get to know what you've done? |
| 18:58.40 | Lopeppeppy | This is Peppy having an opinion instead of being a helpful dino, though, which is why the other dinos are so confused by me. *grin* Sorry. /soapbox |
| 18:59.01 | Corr-work | i understand fallout 3 has acheivements, but i specifically did not sign up for Live! because i didn't want them, along with it being a useless service anyway |
| 18:59.34 | Arrowmaster | all fallout3 acheivements are for doing quests though |
| 18:59.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: it's okay to have opinions :p |
| 19:00.01 | alestane | Well, they left in the option to turn it off, and also for guild masters to prevent having their guild broadcast achievements, which I think was a wise move. If it had been turned off by default, I think they might as well have left it out entirely. |
| 19:00.18 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: November 18, 2008, 11:00am PST. |
| 19:00.18 | Shiibot | Want to avoid the Queue? Free character moves are currently available for select realms. For more information, please visit the General Forum at forums.worldofwarcraft.com, under the thread, "Available Free Realm Transfers". |
| 19:00.18 | Shiibot | Thank you,. . Blizzard Entertainment. |
| 19:00.33 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: I don't have that option. (As a guild master) |
| 19:00.42 | Arrowmaster | great now Shiibot is spamming us with ads |
| 19:00.59 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: yes you do |
| 19:01.00 | Jelly-School | lol |
| 19:01.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: where? |
| 19:01.08 | Corr-work | for the General forum, no less |
| 19:01.10 | alestane | I thought the beta forums or somewhere said that option would exist, but I haven't looked for it myself. |
| 19:01.24 | Arrowmaster | i think its in the rank settings |
| 19:01.35 | Lopeppeppy | Shiibot only provides updates from Blizzard. If it's on the log in screen, Shiibot thinks it's for people to know. |
| 19:01.38 | Arrowmaster | you can set what ranks get announced or something |
| 19:02.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Not seeing it in the xml (and I don't have WoW in front of me) |
| 19:04.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm about 95% sure that option simply doesn't exist right now |
| 19:04.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, it's nice to see the fuel for the fire is still working 100%~ |
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| 19:06.44 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a scheduled maintenance. Please note that all European realms will be offline from 05:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET).. . Thank you for your patience and understanding.. . |
| 19:06.44 | Shiibot | 16/11 New realm and free migration. A new realm has been added with migration opened from existing realms. The migrations will last until at least November 18th. The realm does not allow character creation for now. |
| 19:06.44 | Shiibot | New realm: Chamber of Aspects. Source realms: Aggramar, Aszune, Doomhammer, Draenor, Emerald Dream, Silvermoon. Source realms added November 16th: Azjol-Nerub, Bloodhoof, Nordrassil, Runetotem. |
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| 19:10.24 | Jelly-School | WTB free server transfers |
| 19:11.52 | Corr-work | but... but then it's not free |
| 19:12.00 | Corr-work | was that a funny? >_> |
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| 19:18.27 | AnduinLothar | 2 days to decide? |
| 19:22.05 | bleeter | so looks like Blizz have cut/are cutting over to the Battle.net based login backend |
| 19:22.21 | bleeter | at least from what I observe of the URLs as account management takes a nose dive :/ |
| 19:22.52 | bleeter | http://.....loginType=wow |
| 19:23.10 | Corr-work | i hope they, you know, get battlenet to be stable and stuff for sc2 and d3 |
| 19:24.00 | bleeter | wheee tomcat errors now |
| 19:25.48 | bleeter | Corr-work: somehow I think they won't be shipping unless they do get that fixed ;) |
| 19:26.23 | bleeter | billing and accounts would be a nightmare for both Blizz and customers otherwise, the DB would be (theoretically) at least double the size it needs to be |
| 19:27.03 | bleeter | lots of duplicate data, thus increased chances of errors in account details for each customer, etc. etc. |
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| 19:28.21 | mikma | bleeter: lol, im watching the movie "Tomcats" |
| 19:29.57 | erikd | when i upgraded my account for wotlk I never got asked the battle.net opt-in thing |
| 19:29.57 | Industrial | im watching the movie J2EE+tomcat5.5+failhomework |
| 19:30.23 | Kirov | So, all WotLK PVE content has already been defeated? |
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| 19:30.52 | AnduinLothar | there wasn't much in the way of new raid content |
| 19:31.28 | erikd | plus i'd bet nihilum/sk has been raiding that on beta for months |
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| 19:31.50 | erikd | not only that but most of them probably did naxx at 60 |
| 19:32.14 | Jelly-School | Kirov: Yeah but really ... who cares? |
| 19:32.17 | Industrial | uh, people are pugging naxx |
| 19:32.18 | Industrial | 80 |
| 19:32.39 | Industrial | and its already party cleared, that was yesterday |
| 19:32.40 | AnduinLothar | you can easily pug naxx10. are they pugging nax25? |
| 19:32.45 | Industrial | thwy will prolly do a full clear today :P |
| 19:32.48 | Industrial | 25. |
| 19:32.58 | Industrial | in ym guild :P |
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| 19:33.40 | Industrial | so yeah, cant wait to ding 80 so I can catch my t7 when it drops? >_> kinda lame feeling tho |
| 19:35.28 | bleeter | erikd: the battle.net thing isn't an option yet |
| 19:35.59 | bleeter | erikd: it'd seem that 'option' will come to us later, that they're trying to support the 'legacy' login first, and it's not quite working as intended |
| 19:36.05 | bleeter | aka 'at all' ;) |
| 19:37.07 | bleeter | what is intriguing, is that there's nothing about the breakage in the 'service status' forum (the new name for the old realm status, indicating they'll be covering more than just realm issues) |
| 19:46.06 | erikd | bleeter: i thought i saw a screenshot on mmo-champion before wotlk (last week sometime) that said when you upgraded your account you'd be asked to opt-in to the opt-in for battle.net |
| 19:46.25 | Lopeppeppy | Ahem. |
| 19:46.26 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
| 19:47.23 | erikd | hmm, can't find it. i must've imagined it :) |
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| 19:52.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Broke? |
| 19:53.19 | Lopeppeppy | No rawrs. Is all good, I'll go bite them individually. |
| 19:53.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 19:53.47 | Jelly-School | Woot! I has a debate on Thursday ... in my sociology class! |
| 19:54.44 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. Topic? |
| 19:57.33 | Corr-work | death knights vs draenei: the aftermath |
| 19:57.35 | Corr-work | *blood elves |
| 19:57.42 | Corr-work | how the hell did i type death knights while thinking blood elves in my head |
| 19:58.35 | bleeter | erikd: yeah, they tested stuff out in Beta. Maybe that was where the screen was from. /shrug |
| 19:59.24 | Jelly-School | Sorry ... I tabbed. |
| 19:59.39 | Jelly-School | "Survey research is an effective way to study human subjects." |
| 20:00.04 | Lopeppeppy | ~cuddle Lunessa |
| 20:00.05 | purl | ACTION grabs Lunessa and cuddles until Lunessa begs for mercy |
| 20:00.13 | Lunessa | MERCY! |
| 20:00.34 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly, take the con side. Survey is a craptastic study method. |
| 20:00.38 | Corr-work | ah, see, i've got my own proposal for studying the effects of different diets |
| 20:01.04 | Corr-work | we'd need to start with, say, a hundred thousand babies |
| 20:01.27 | Lunessa | Corr-work: Me too. "Eating this way makes me fat" "Eating this way makes no difference." Eating this other way makes me thinner." |
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| 20:01.39 | Jelly-School | http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/viewtopic.php?t=16609 Any idea what "EH" refers to? Maybe I'm dumb or something. lol |
| 20:01.47 | Corr-work | provide for all physical needs as they grow, in identical, isolated environments, while providing differently balanced diets |
| 20:02.07 | Corr-work | with enough subjects, you can test for the effects of exercise as well |
| 20:02.28 | Corr-work | so after they all die and you've only ruined a hundred thousand or so lives, you get all this nice data! |
| 20:03.24 | bleeter | anyone else read the other day that Collin's English Dictionary added 'meh' this year? |
| 20:03.34 | bleeter | *Collins' |
| 20:03.35 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 20:03.44 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly, not sure? |
| 20:04.09 | Lopeppeppy | Is EH a gem name? |
| 20:04.09 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: I immediately thought 'about bloody time, too... oh, wait... meh' ;) |
| 20:04.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 20:04.32 | Jelly-School | Peppy: I'm not sure :( |
| 20:05.37 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: actually, compared to the other words that were up for it, i'm rather glad it was meh |
| 20:05.54 | Lunessa | gah.. meeting... brb |
| 20:06.32 | Lopeppeppy | I should know, but I'm just not figuring it, Jelly. |
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| 20:11.36 | tlund | what does a frame need to do to have its OnUpdate handler run? is frame = CreateFrame and frame:Show() enough? |
| 20:11.59 | Jelly-School | bye desktop |
| 20:12.31 | NightHawkTheSane | you need to set an onupdate script as well |
| 20:12.42 | NightHawkTheSane | but otherwise yes, i believe thats enoough |
| 20:13.08 | tlund | yes, ofc. :) |
| 20:13.10 | tlund | ok, thanks |
| 20:18.28 | Lunessa | ~seen Tem |
| 20:18.31 | purl | tem is currently on #wowprogramming (11h 59m 7s) #norganna (11h 59m 7s) #wowuidev (11h 59m 7s) #wowace (11h 59m 7s), last said: 'Quote of the day: "I'm like a chocoholic, but for booze!"'. |
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| 20:20.37 | Lunessa | Oddly, he doesn't show on my user list for this channel. |
| 20:20.47 | Corr-work | she juts wants to score free chocolate |
| 20:20.58 | Jelly-School | lol |
| 20:21.08 | Lunessa | Who doesn't? |
| 20:21.12 | |pez| | Lunessa: looked at the + people? |
| 20:21.15 | |pez| | he's riiight at the bottom of the list there. |
| 20:21.16 | Corr-work | or maybe booze |
| 20:21.33 | Lopeppeppy | I believe last time I saw Tem, I was the one providing the chocolate. Hmm. |
| 20:21.38 | Lopeppeppy | I think I got suckered! |
| 20:21.52 | Corr-work | or perhaps some godiva |
| 20:21.59 | Jelly-School | Peppy: It means EFFECTIVE HEALTH! |
| 20:22.26 | Lunessa | |pez|: Colloqy doesn't appear to have an easy function for that, and I'll admit some IRC n00bishness. |
| 20:22.49 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. I shall stalk Tem and steal it back. |
| 20:23.03 | |pez| | in mIRC; the + people end up under the @ people. |
| 20:23.14 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Used chocolate is rarely worth recovery efforts. |
| 20:23.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: when is it worth recovery efforts? |
| 20:23.28 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. Alternative plans are required. |
| 20:24.03 | Corr-work | like, recovery from corpses? |
| 20:24.06 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: Well, I saw this thing on the Food Network about pre-dijested items... |
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| 20:24.26 | Corr-work | need we train the little sisters to extract the chocolate? |
| 20:26.18 | Lopeppeppy | Hi Tem! I want my chocolate back! :) |
| 20:26.35 | Lunessa | Aha, there he is. |
| 20:26.50 | Lunessa | It's like the devil, say his name to invoke him. |
| 20:27.40 | Tem|work | what? |
| 20:27.41 | Lunessa | No, bleeter you're just a joey on crack. Not quite a devil. |
| 20:27.43 | Tem|work | huh? |
| 20:27.51 | Tem|work | Lunessa: you on Kirin Tor |
| 20:27.53 | Tem|work | ? |
| 20:27.57 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs* I was teasing you in absentia, Tem. |
| 20:28.01 | Lunessa | Tem yes. |
| 20:28.23 | Tem|work | ScytheBlade1: what server are you on? |
| 20:30.09 | Lopeppeppy | Tem, someone looked up your last-seen, it gave your last quote as being about chocolate, upon which I fell in love with you, but remembered that the last chocolate exchange was me giving cookies to people, hence I gave you chocolate last.... Bah, it was funnier when you weren't listening! :P |
| 20:30.09 | bleeter | Lunessa: no, i iz devil not some lame bennett's wallaby ... http://www.dpiw.tas.gov.au/inter.nsf/Attachments/SJON-52P4XB/$FILE/tasde.aiff |
| 20:30.31 | Tem|work | Lopeppeppy: lol |
| 20:30.39 | Tem|work | who was looking for me? |
| 20:30.44 | bleeter | while I'm at it... |
| 20:30.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|work: Doomhammer |
| 20:31.21 | bleeter | blatant advert for research into the second only known viral cancer http://www.tassiedevil.com.au/ ... as it's an endangered species, a bit more 'important' than the dog nose viral cancer thing |
| 20:31.27 | Lopeppeppy | Tem, it was Lunessa. |
| 20:32.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|work: why do you ask? |
| 20:32.48 | Tem|work | ScytheBlade1: I heard you were starting a guild |
| 20:32.53 | Tem|work | and I'm in the market |
| 20:32.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|work: correct. newcontent.org |
| 20:33.24 | Lopeppeppy | I'm also shopping for a guild, mind if I look too, ScytheBlade1? |
| 20:33.32 | ScytheBlade1 | We raid four a night. :) |
| 20:33.37 | ScytheBlade1 | But of course not |
| 20:33.37 | Tem|work | 4? |
| 20:33.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 20:33.41 | Tem|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.41 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 20:33.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Four nights a week |
| 20:33.47 | Tem|work | yeah fail |
| 20:33.59 | Corr-work | only 4, what are you, pansies? |
| 20:34.01 | Tem|work | make it 3 and I want to tank for you |
| 20:34.08 | ScytheBlade1 | We need tanks |
| 20:34.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Corr-work: yup |
| 20:34.29 | Corr-work | well that's cool, my old guild and i was pansies too |
| 20:34.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|work: I should have -everything- laid out on the website |
| 20:34.46 | Corr-work | not that i will be joining, but if they're 4 consecutive nights, i totally approve |
| 20:34.52 | Lopeppeppy | Bah, no one wants a holydin, I'm tellin' ya. |
| 20:35.04 | Tem|work | I don't really want to raid 4 nights a week |
| 20:35.27 | Tem|work | 4 nights a week is how I can extend my graduation date even further |
| 20:35.36 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 20:35.54 | Corr-work | for how long, each night? |
| 20:35.57 | Corr-work | that's also an important metric |
| 20:36.05 | ScytheBlade1 | 3h |
| 20:36.12 | Tem|work | oh |
| 20:36.13 | Lunessa | I'm not planing 4 nights of raiding. I'm planing 2. |
| 20:36.21 | Jelly-School | I'll take a holydin any time. |
| 20:36.26 | Jelly-School | If you can heal, you're in. |
| 20:36.34 | Jelly-School | If I need to, I wont pull as much. :P |
| 20:36.35 | Tem|work | Jelly-School: is a pally |
| 20:36.37 | Tem|work | I can smell you |
| 20:36.55 | Jelly-School | and a priestx2 and a hunter and a shaman. |
| 20:37.06 | Jelly-School | And I smell like aoe pulls. |
| 20:37.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|work: 4 a week, but 3h a night (and I'm quite serious about starting and stopping on time). 7:30 to 10:30 server |
| 20:37.55 | Tem|work | what time zone? |
| 20:38.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Mountain, -0700 (server time too) |
| 20:38.12 | Tem|work | ooh mountaint |
| 20:38.21 | Tem|work | that's 8:30 to 11:30 my time |
| 20:38.23 | Tem|work | god damnit, ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:38.25 | Corr-work | what? nobody lives in that time zone |
| 20:38.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 20:38.30 | Tem|work | you too, Lunessa |
| 20:38.33 | ScytheBlade1 | What'd I do? |
| 20:38.37 | Tem|work | I want to be in both of your guilds |
| 20:38.41 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:38.53 | Lunessa | Time Zone - USA Central |
| 20:38.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, -all- relevant info is posted on that website |
| 20:39.15 | Tem|work | think you could get 18 people to transfer to a lawlrp realm ScytheBlade1? |
| 20:39.16 | ScytheBlade1 | http://newcontent.org/ |
| 20:39.18 | Corr-work | maybe, maybe you can |
| 20:39.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol no |
| 20:39.21 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahaha |
| 20:39.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Um |
| 20:39.30 | Corr-work | if the 4 nights of raiding in ScytheBlade's are not the same as the 2 nights in Lunessa's |
| 20:39.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Chances are something like -13/0 |
| 20:39.37 | Corr-work | you could swap guilds twice a week |
| 20:39.43 | Lunessa | LOL |
| 20:39.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|work: class/spec? |
| 20:40.07 | Tem|work | tank DK |
| 20:40.17 | Tem|work | same as in beta |
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| 20:40.46 | Lunessa | I'm looking at a weekend raid schedule. Fri/Sat or Sat/Sun. 10-Man content primary focus, growing to 25-mans. Simple structure, casual requirements, success-oriented maind-set. |
| 20:41.19 | Corr-work | well, that's good |
| 20:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | We already have 3 DKs with dependable schedules who can make all the raids |
| 20:41.27 | Corr-work | i'd hate to be in a guild set on failure |
| 20:42.01 | Lunessa | Corr-work: Basically I'm looking for people who don't want a high-pressure environment, but want to play well and beat content. |
| 20:42.08 | ScytheBlade1 | However, if you have any of these: http://newcontent.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=21 |
| 20:42.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Chances are much much higher ;) |
| 20:42.30 | Tem|work | I also have a feral druid |
| 20:42.34 | Tem|work | but dk is way more fun |
| 20:42.37 | Tem|work | WAY more fun |
| 20:42.42 | Tem|work | 3 dps dks, though? |
| 20:42.45 | Tem|work | that's kind of fail |
| 20:42.50 | Corr-work | those goals are -somewhat- incompatible, but good luck! :) |
| 20:42.52 | ScytheBlade1 | No, at least one of them is tanking |
| 20:43.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Another is currently deciding on tanking or DPS |
| 20:43.03 | ScytheBlade1 | And the third is DPS |
| 20:43.06 | Corr-work | you have to comprimise a little on one to gain ground on the other, at least as far as i can tell |
| 20:43.08 | ScytheBlade1 | So it's pretty evenly split :) |
| 20:43.47 | ScytheBlade1 | If you wanted in as feral, chances are pretty good. DK is... you'd have to be the DK to end all other DKs before we allocated a fourth raiding DK |
| 20:44.05 | Tem|work | I've already cleared all of Naxx as a DK |
| 20:44.18 | ScytheBlade1 | You'd be the third who has done that |
| 20:44.18 | Tem|work | this is my third time leveling to 70 on a DK |
| 20:44.27 | Tem|work | and my second to 80 |
| 20:44.45 | ScytheBlade1 | back in 10-15, next class |
| 20:44.46 | Tem|work | I've been playing DK since ... when did alpha start? |
| 20:44.50 | Corr-work | heheh, you've almost given me an odd urge to do more raiding |
| 20:44.51 | Tem|work | May? |
| 20:44.55 | Lunessa | And you are a pretty damned fine tank. :) |
| 20:45.26 | Tem|work | Well, anyway. I don't want to raid 4 days a week even if the timing is awesome. |
| 20:45.32 | Tem|work | Weekend raiding is _hard_ |
| 20:46.46 | Lunessa | Weekends are usually when the "casual" time crowd has the biggest over-lapping play blocks, and it allows lots of time for other goals like Arena, Heroics, etc. |
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| 20:47.37 | Tem|work | I don't think I can raid with either of you |
| 20:47.45 | Lunessa | :( |
| 20:48.03 | Tem|work | Sbo is full up on fail DKs |
| 20:48.13 | Tem|work | and raiding on weekends in just not feasible |
| 20:48.22 | Lunessa | Could be convinced to move raiding days. |
| 20:48.54 | Corr-work | unless maybe you had a backup position |
| 20:49.00 | Corr-work | but that doesn't sound like what Tem wants to do |
| 20:49.28 | JerekDain | anyone know how to check if blizzard's totem timers appear? (and better yet, if the duration is being displayed) |
| 20:49.49 | Lunessa | Could be that a weeknight schedule would work too, depends on members. |
| 20:50.44 | Lunessa | Need caffeine - afk |
| 20:51.05 | Tem|work | Corr-work: no indeed |
| 20:51.22 | Tem|work | a backup position is part of the reason I want out of where I'm at now |
| 20:52.08 | Tem|work | I want to tank and my current guild has several established tanks who aren't going anywhere |
| 20:52.40 | Tem|work | so I'd be a backup tank at best hope |
| 20:52.44 | Lopeppeppy | I wanted to heal, but can't raid 5x a week. |
| 20:52.46 | Tem|work | otherwise I'd be lawldps |
| 20:52.58 | Tem|work | which I don't think I'm even very good at |
| 20:53.43 | Tem|work | ~seen Tem |
| 20:53.46 | purl | tem is currently on #wowprogramming (12h 34m 22s) #norganna (12h 34m 22s) #wowuidev (12h 34m 22s) #wowace (12h 34m 22s), last said: 'Quote of the day: "I'm like a chocoholic, but for booze!"'. |
| 20:53.57 | Tem|work | hah! |
| 20:54.03 | Tem|work | I forgot about that |
| 20:54.10 | Lopeppeppy | See? Insta-lubs. |
| 20:54.18 | Corr-work | how unfortunate |
| 20:55.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|work: full indeed. A feral would be welcome (and that'd actually close just more than your slot) but the chances of the other DKs changing their class (again) is about the same chance as you changing yours. :) |
| 20:55.34 | Tem|work | so yeah, I'm not interested in the meta-game of giving myself carpal tunnel to do 50 damage more than the next guy in the guild and then waving my character's virtual penis around to brag about it |
| 20:56.01 | Tem|work | well, wait |
| 20:56.06 | Tem|work | what's wrong with bringing 4 dks? |
| 20:56.12 | ScytheBlade1 | We need other classes |
| 20:56.27 | Tem|work | if I came as a feral, I'd be after the same token as a DK |
| 20:56.29 | Lunessa | My point is that want I want to build is a group of folks who want to beat content by playing well, but may be constrained by commitments or want to take-n more than just raiding. Folks with good attitudes and an atmosphere much like we had in beta and here in the channel. |
| 20:56.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Tokens aren't the point, as it stands now like half the guild is on that token already |
| 20:56.53 | Tem|work | heh |
| 20:56.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably more than half |
| 20:57.03 | Tem|work | vanq token is too popular atm >< |
| 20:57.16 | NightHawkTheSane | multiple tokens was a poor idea from the start >.> |
| 20:57.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I agree |
| 20:57.35 | NightHawkTheSane | move everything to a badge/purchasable style system and be done with it. |
| 20:57.44 | bleeter | Lunessa: find me a bunch of folks with that attitude, who play to an Oceanic timezone schedule... and I'm there |
| 20:58.09 | Lunessa | Oceanic time is problematic for US residents who don't work the funkiest of shcedules. |
| 20:58.46 | bleeter | tell that to Oceanics who really want to RP |
| 20:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|work: let me poke, see what we're willing to bend |
| 20:59.03 | bleeter | it's amazing the number of RP'ers I've discovered on the oceanic realms, who've just 'given up' |
| 20:59.17 | bleeter | *given up RPing 'coz they can't |
| 20:59.17 | Tem|work | oh RP realm too |
| 20:59.27 | Tem|work | I don't really have any interest in RPing |
| 20:59.29 | Tem|work | but like |
| 20:59.54 | Tem|work | I wish people would allow themselves to be a little more immersed in the game |
| 21:00.10 | bleeter | the Oceanic community I've bumped in to recently seem, well apart from the kiddies, a lot more tolerant of RPers in game than I thought they'd be |
| 21:00.57 | foxlit | http://xkcd.com/430/ << so annoying. |
| 21:01.02 | Lunessa | Kirin Tor is an RP server, and I'm RP-Firendly. Seeing as I cut my teeth on RP games waaaay back in '80. |
| 21:01.11 | bleeter | Tem|work: I'd really like a special clause rule for oceanics, as Blizz dont seem interested in an RP Oceanic timezone server, that Oceanic RPers can get some kinda 'special treatment' for GM ticket complaints |
| 21:01.31 | bleeter | dunno how it'd work, but it just really cheeses me that to fully immerse myself in RP, I'd have to change my entire work schedule etc. |
| 21:01.40 | bleeter | raiding at 7AM on a monday morning isn't fun :/ |
| 21:01.51 | Codayus_ | I'd just trade a minor organ for an actual oceanic server *in* oceania. |
| 21:01.55 | Lunessa | No kidding. |
| 21:02.12 | Codayus_ | My ISP isn't so good, and you'd be AMAZED at how much it sucks trying to play wow with a pink above 800ms. |
| 21:02.16 | bleeter | Codayus_: I'd pay extra per month for a dedicated cross-pacific pipe |
| 21:02.32 | Codayus_ | (Changing ISPs on Fri...*sigh* Maybe it'll help...) |
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| 21:02.36 | foxlit | bleeter: yeah, and that pipe would cost what to lay? |
| 21:02.40 | ajmitch | Codayus_: I wouldn't be amazed, I've been there |
| 21:02.46 | Codayus_ | Freaking WARHAMMER has an AU datacenter. |
| 21:03.09 | Codayus_ | Actual servers in actual Australia, so ping don't actually blow actual chunks. Grrr. |
| 21:03.39 | bleeter | foxlit: PIPE networks are laying one to Guam, I'm sure if I had a word to my college buddy DrBoB (a senior network tech with them), they'd sell some bandwidth to AT&T for the purpose ;) |
| 21:03.42 | Codayus_ | And yeah, I'd pay double per month for a better connection, no worries. |
| 21:03.46 | Corr-work | know what i didn't like? i didn't like how it was always nighttime when i played |
| 21:03.51 | Corr-work | because i played at night |
| 21:03.55 | bleeter | PIPE are specifically laying it to decrease oceanic pings ;) |
| 21:04.43 | foxlit | Is existing australian connectivity saturated, then? |
| 21:04.44 | Codayus_ | ...who am I kidding, I'd pay triple... :-/ |
| 21:05.00 | Corr-work | impressive |
| 21:05.37 | bleeter | foxlit: when one line goes out, yes. the redundancy on the international links is pretty pisspoor |
| 21:05.42 | Codayus_ | foxlit: All connectivity everywhere is saturated by torrents. :( But no, there's plenty of bandwidth, it's just a long way away from California. |
| 21:06.44 | Codayus_ | So pings are always meh, and if your ISP has cheap rates or say has a torrent friendly plan with very cheap data rates at night, then you get 1200 pings, and life sucks. |
| 21:07.22 | Codayus_ | (Especially if said ISP has decided not to implement any data shaping to prioritize real time traffic over torrents...) :( |
| 21:07.32 | foxlit | So their problem is insufficient links towards US? |
| 21:08.07 | bleeter | really, the problem is the variety of routes taken to the US datacentres |
| 21:08.15 | Codayus_ | Kinda. Doubling the bandwidth would help some...but there's lots of problems. |
| 21:08.20 | Tem|work | I wonder what the reasoning is for not having any servers in Oceania |
| 21:08.27 | Codayus_ | NOTHING will get the ping too low simply because of the speed of light. |
| 21:08.29 | bleeter | leading to really weird pings in high pop zones/raids, leading to DCs and crashes and other ugliness |
| 21:08.47 | Lunessa | Transoceanic data pipes are a problem for everyone... fiber cable ain't cheap and satellite is still slow. |
| 21:09.12 | Codayus_ | And then some intermediate ISPs have retarded routing, or poor peering, or whatever. So if your with ISP X, your traffic goes through Singapore, but with ISP Y it goes through Australia, and pings on Y will be better than X because blah blah blah... |
| 21:09.18 | bleeter | if there was a common point of exit out of the large Oceanic customer bases (eg, one in .au, one in .nz, etc.), it'd alleviate some of the N-hard problem of latency 'equalisation' that the servers ahve to perform |
| 21:09.51 | Codayus_ | And THEN you get ISPs who bought a small chunk of bandwidth, then overalocated the fuck out of it. Bastards. |
| 21:09.58 | Corr-work | we need subspace communication arrays on the earth itself |
| 21:10.08 | bleeter | Codayus_: then you get disaster areas like the Bass Strait link =)) |
| 21:10.23 | Tem|work | I think I heard that the route used to get to the us datacenters goes through a satellite link |
| 21:10.32 | Tem|work | making the min ping something in the area of 300ms |
| 21:10.35 | bleeter | Codayus_: and soon, we'll probably have that goddamn CleanFeed crap to deal with too :/ |
| 21:11.01 | Codayus_ | Aussie scum! |
| 21:11.15 | Tem|work | bleeter: dumb government attempts to censor the internet are not blizzard's problem =P |
| 21:11.26 | Codayus_ | I hate you because Telstra decided to stop laying cable one block from my house. |
| 21:11.55 | bleeter | Tem|work: well, when we all get together and VPN our connections to a dedicated pipe, say like internode's current wow tunnel in Adelaide... ;) |
| 21:12.26 | bleeter | Tem|work: which is to say, that at least one major aussie ISP is already trying to reduce pings by providing an optimised route :) |
| 21:12.54 | bleeter | though seems to only work best if you're in central or west |
| 21:13.12 | bleeter | still, people often comment on it reducing pings by ~300ms |
| 21:13.49 | bleeter | (from their 'old' ISP, ~100ms from the standard Internode connection) |
| 21:14.20 | bleeter | I'd still love to see an Oceanic arena team take on an EU or US Arena team, with the EU/US team forced to deal with ~350ms latency =)) |
| 21:15.06 | Codayus_ | But yeah, it's really frustrating that Warhammer runs an Aussie datacentre, and Bliz won't. :( |
| 21:15.08 | bleeter | *min |
| 21:16.18 | bleeter | Codayus_: in the early days, with so few oceanic realms, I could understand it. with 11 realms now, the 'not enough customers' argument is starting to wear a *little* thin (not to mention the old Oracle 7 limitations, etc. etc., not that I've studied that later Orcale clustering DB node distance limitations... blah) |
| 21:17.21 | bleeter | but seriously, what do Blizz care... they don't have an Oceanic focussed Customer Service rep, so why bother. just wait for the form QQ after the event, instead of prior planning. |
| 21:18.15 | bleeter | (which is probably highly unfair, but that's certainly the impression many, if not most or all, oceanic observers have) |
| 21:20.20 | ajmitch | bleeter: 11 realms, most of which have seen 2k+ queues in the last week? |
| 21:20.25 | bleeter | Codayus_: on a different note, one of the two companies that are going to operate the non-Telstra cross Bass Strait link, are going to be laying fibre outside my place today or tomorrow. part of the new high-capacity undergound lines they're putting around the suburbs near my place ... there's a benefit to livin near a substation after all! |
| 21:20.41 | bleeter | ajmitch: 10. the 11th they opened on Sunday. |
| 21:20.47 | bleeter | the funny thing about that |
| 21:20.49 | ajmitch | I said most :) |
| 21:21.11 | bleeter | the announcement of the new realm mentioned 'from select oceanic realms' and then proceeded to list every Oceanic realm ;) |
| 21:21.25 | ajmitch | and queue times did seem lower last night, though I don't know whether Saurfang transfers were the cause |
| 21:21.27 | bleeter | there's a bit of anger there's only one realm, and PvE at that... :/ |
| 21:22.03 | ajmitch | living in NZ, I tend to get home before most of the aussies try & log on |
| 21:22.14 | bleeter | ajmitch: kids back at school. dunno about mainland, but down here there's about three more weeks of school. then two months of holidays |
| 21:22.31 | bleeter | altough senior school kids will start finishing up, I think, end of this week |
| 21:23.04 | bleeter | a couple of the kids in my guild have been 'banned' by parents from playing wrath until they pass all end of year exams, and the parents will buy wrath and pay for subs if they pass |
| 21:23.16 | ajmitch | how appropriate :) |
| 21:23.43 | bleeter | think we get our MT and MH back on Friday =)) |
| 21:23.55 | bleeter | but as we're all still levelling and stuff, it's not a major problem :) |
| 21:24.36 | bleeter | I know there was a fair bit of account sharing going on in the guild, so as to 'beat the queue' :/ |
| 21:24.47 | ajmitch | I've heard of the same |
| 21:24.49 | Corr-work | naughty naughty... |
| 21:25.13 | bleeter | Corr-work: indeed, but the massive queues only 'encouraged' that kinda behaviour |
| 21:25.17 | ajmitch | or people dual-boxing to level their friend's character for awhile |
| 21:25.36 | bleeter | yes, I'll agree that non-Oceanic realms had massive queues too, but not every single non-Oceanic realm |
| 21:25.46 | Corr-work | what gives blizzard the right to say that only one person can play an account? oh, well, i suppose they do own it. but that seems awfully unethical. |
| 21:25.57 | bleeter | transfers to US/LA aren't that much of an option see comment above regarding 7AM Monday morning raiding |
| 21:26.19 | Corr-work | not to mention that people can't share the license of the game, whereas any physical goods can freely be shared with whomever you want; you just have a limited amount of it |
| 21:27.12 | bleeter | you can share, just in very limited circumstances |
| 21:27.52 | bleeter | you can also transfer toons between account of folks who aren't related, but that involves marriage and divorce, and/or adoption, so rather expensive =)) |
| 21:28.08 | Corr-work | still violates my sense of consumer entitlement |
| 21:29.23 | NightHawkTheSane | "Snowfall belong to Winteraxe! Erm, Korrak mean Ampitheatre belong to winteraxe! |
| 21:29.24 | NightHawkTheSane | " |
| 21:29.50 | ajmitch | sigh, that quest chain |
| 21:30.14 | ajmitch | had a flagged horde 'helping' us last night, trying to get us to flag up while his level 80 friend watched |
| 21:30.15 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, happy people, I'm going to do errands forever! |
| 21:30.44 | ajmitch | then taking off with the mammoth on the last boss & resetting the boss |
| 21:30.49 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: i still have a quest for korraks head |
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| 21:31.25 | Arrowmaster | the 2nd one in the chain, not the first |
| 21:38.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: useless.. but neat :p |
| 21:38.26 | kd3 | rofl. looted some mageroyal in the vision from the past |
| 21:38.42 | Arrowmaster | vision from the past? |
| 21:39.14 | kd3 | grizzly hills quest that sends us to silverpine for 20 seconds |
| 21:39.16 | Arrowmaster | you should see peoples reactions when i share the quest for the tabard of the protector |
| 21:39.34 | Arrowmaster | that i completed but never got to turn in =( |
| 21:39.35 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: hah |
| 21:41.53 | Codayus_ | Heh, that's mean. |
| 21:42.19 | Codayus_ | ...hmmm they should make more stuff BoA. |
| 21:42.34 | Codayus_ | Like tabards that are no longer obtainable... |
| 21:42.58 | Arrowmaster | and some super rare silly shit |
| 21:43.02 | Codayus_ | Yeah |
| 21:43.05 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Man, that blows. |
| 21:43.24 | Lunessa | I got nailed that way for the invasion quest in Kara. |
| 21:43.42 | Arrowmaster | i asked zoot and he wouldnt come onto my realm and spawn the npc for me =( |
| 21:44.04 | Codayus_ | I missd out on getting the AD tabard fron the initial scourge invasion for Naxx; I got the runes together, went to turn it in...and the NPC was gone, event over. |
| 21:44.07 | Arrowmaster | complained about wanting to keep his job or something |
| 21:44.42 | Codayus_ | I was pissed...couldn't belive the turnin NPC for the AQ40 gates is STILL IN GAME (they even added on for Draenei/BEs)...but the invasion quartermaster instantly vanishes. |
| 21:45.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know |
| 21:45.30 | Arrowmaster | they should leave npcs around to turnin those event quests even after the events |
| 21:45.46 | Codayus_ | Of course, I hat to wait a couple of years, but I finally got the AD tabard! I suspect they won't do that for the protector tabard. :-/ |
| 21:46.32 | Codayus_ | *nod* It's insane not to, I think. "Defeat these guys and we'll give you rewards!" "Oh hey, they're defeated. Bye nubs!" |
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| 21:47.03 | erikd | yay for linodes |
| 21:47.50 | bleeter | bah, I just noticed, warstomp still ain't castable in feral forms booo :( |
| 21:50.16 | pompy | weird, bagnon is showing dup info in the tooltips |
| 21:51.01 | Arrowmaster | probably not bagnon doing it |
| 21:51.14 | Arrowmaster | but 2 addons do the same feature |
| 21:51.32 | pompy | yeah i disabled that on the other one |
| 21:51.39 | pompy | its the same format look so i assume its bagnon |
| 21:51.48 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 21:51.50 | bleeter | here's another lol for Oceanic players... dunno if it happens to others, but every time I see 'bagnon' I read 'bogan' |
| 21:51.52 | pompy | the other mod was altoholic |
| 21:51.56 | Arrowmaster | theres quite a few that use the same format |
| 21:51.58 | pompy | i unchecked the option to show it |
| 21:52.51 | Corr-work | so what's bogan? |
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| 21:56.24 | Industrial | so yummy i cant keep them in my mouth for 2 sec, i have to keep chewing and MMMOMNOMNOMNOM |
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| 21:56.41 | Industrial | but then im out of cookies :( |
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| 21:58.40 | Corr-work | so it's a kind of cookie? |
| 21:58.50 | cogwheel | Lunessa: miki got her first AH returns on Kirin Tor... 28G at level 12... |
| 21:59.01 | Corr-work | or maybe that wasn't an answer to my |
| 21:59.03 | Corr-work | to me |
| 21:59.06 | Lunessa | cogwheel: ... can I hire her? |
| 21:59.35 | Industrial | http://www.b2501airborne.com/BastogneCookies.jpg |
| 21:59.37 | Industrial | Corr-work: ^ |
| 21:59.57 | Dashkal | Ok, that looks good |
| 22:00.02 | Corr-work | fancy |
| 22:01.20 | cogwheel | Lunessa: sure I can be hired :D We could use the extra cash |
| 22:01.21 | cogwheel | would I have to move to TX? |
| 22:02.03 | Lunessa | LOL. No, not like that silly. I want someone to turn my mountains of wow-crap into pure G. |
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| 22:02.38 | cogwheel | i'm acting like an IRC node between my wife and the rest of freenode >< |
| 22:02.44 | cogwheel | i've got high latency though |
| 22:03.18 | Lunessa | Haha. |
| 22:04.44 | Tem|work | cogwheel: same request |
| 22:04.52 | Tem|work | have you looked in the guild bank lately? |
| 22:04.58 | Tem|work | I have mountains of crap that needs to go |
| 22:05.58 | cog|away | brb |
| 22:06.11 | cog|away | "hehe - all your friends wish they had a me :P" |
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| 22:17.37 | Arrowmaster | everybody hates trying to auction off their crap |
| 22:17.44 | Arrowmaster | ive got over two stacks of mooncloth |
| 22:17.53 | Arrowmaster | mooncloth not primal mooncloth |
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| 22:22.52 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: I'm a terrible packrat. I dumped about 5k gold worth of stuff into the Auction House 2 dats before launc - just got sick of it. |
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| 22:26.40 | Lunessa | grrrr... new machine, already replace the mobo once. STILL BSODing. |
| 22:34.18 | Lunessa | Anyone know for certain the max number of characters allowed in a guild name? |
| 22:40.33 | erikd | i'm a huuuuuuuuge pack rat as well, my entire bank on my main is full of old gear that I'll probably never use but keep around because of how hard it was to get (full t2/t3/t4/t5/t6) |
| 22:40.56 | erikd | i had to get rid of my t1 =/ |
| 22:41.20 | erikd | i wish blizz would add some kind of "armor dummies" or something so i could keep that around without using up so much space |
| 22:41.26 | Lunessa | I have some things like that too. I tend to keep items for zones or quests I might need to help others. ZF Mallet, Shadowmmon Helm, etc. |
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| 22:42.10 | erikd | i might just have to break down and get rid of the gear and rely on achievements |
| 22:42.35 | erikd | it'll be hard, though. i still have my End of Dreams |
| 22:42.42 | erikd | i loved that mace |
| 22:43.32 | erikd | maybe i'll keep that stuff because you can't get it any more |
| 22:55.18 | Lunessa | have you seen the Binds to Account items [brown quality] ? |
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| 22:57.37 | pompy | bought with the new badges ;) |
| 22:57.40 | pompy | afaik |
| 22:58.03 | |pez| | There's bind to account items now? :o |
| 22:58.56 | MentalPower | |pez|: since 3.0 |
| 22:58.57 | kd3 | heirloom items and blizzcon specials |
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| 22:59.51 | |pez| | neeeaaat |
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| 23:01.39 | erikd | i want to buy some of those to level my alts with but i wouldn't be able to reuse them on any other alts (aside from maybe mail shoulders) |
| 23:01.54 | erikd | hmm, the shoulders do give you 10% more xp though don't they? |
| 23:03.34 | |pez| | Where can you get them? 0.o |
| 23:03.58 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: and CE pets, to be precise |
| 23:04.07 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: dalaran |
| 23:04.16 | |pez| | I have my HS in dalaran! :o |
| 23:04.21 | |pez| | Must check this out. |
| 23:04.22 | NightHawkTheSane | they cost badges, however. |
| 23:04.38 | NightHawkTheSane | well, 'emblems', but whatever |
| 23:04.50 | NightHawkTheSane | erikd: and yes, they do. |
| 23:05.25 | erikd | it's only from monsters, though |
| 23:05.40 | erikd | but that's still a decent amount |
| 23:06.04 | erikd | if only i were leveling my rogue after i didn't need anything on my druid from vendors =/ |
| 23:06.21 | erikd | shoulders cost 40 emblems |
| 23:07.54 | mikma | so, how can i get the Obliterate? :O |
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| 23:07.59 | mikma | says level 61 |
| 23:08.24 | NightHawkTheSane | ... train it? |
| 23:08.51 | |pez| | gasp! |
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| 23:09.39 | kd3 | whee |
| 23:09.44 | kd3 | "Kaydeethree the Seeker" |
| 23:10.11 | End | pff |
| 23:10.14 | End | I got that days ago! |
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| 23:15.59 | Shirik | seeker? |
| 23:16.20 | NightHawkTheSane | 3k quests completed |
| 23:16.54 | Lunessa | kd3: congratulations! |
| 23:17.19 | kd3 | ty |
| 23:17.24 | kd3 | now to finish off loremaster |
| 23:19.08 | Shirik | grats kd3 |
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| 23:21.44 | erikd | anyone know if there's a way to specify an alternate config.wtf on the wow command line? so i'd be able to have a config for when i'm playing and one for when i want to play in a smaller res windowed mode? |
| 23:22.13 | Shirik | I am only aware of 3 commands accepted on the command line, and that is not one of them unfortunately |
| 23:22.16 | Shirik | I haven't looked recently, though |
| 23:24.36 | erikd | maybe i'll just write a little program to swap them for me and then execute wow |
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| 23:26.21 | Quaiche | Shirik: What are the three? |
| 23:28.55 | Corr-work | a batch file can handle that pretty easily |
| 23:29.13 | Corr-work | well, two of them |
| 23:29.39 | erikd | yeah, i'll just set something up to swap the files for me |
| 23:29.51 | erikd | i'll go play with POWERSHELL (dun dun duuuuuuuuuuuuuh) |
| 23:32.27 | Shirik | Quaiche: The only two I can think of off the top of my head are -console and -soundchaos |
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| 23:32.53 | Corr-work | soundchaos? though that sounds familiar, i cannot imagine what it does |
| 23:33.13 | Quaiche | erikd: My addon updater has been a PS1 script for more than a year. |
| 23:33.42 | kd3 | brr |
| 23:33.43 | Shirik | soundchaos just opens a few extra console commands that regard to testing sound system |
| 23:33.58 | Quaiche | In fact I used to have a little ps1 script that would do sed on my config.wtf to swap audio drivers |
| 23:34.09 | Quaiche | But once they fixed the USB headphones thing I didn't need to do that anymore |
| 23:34.20 | Corr-work | aw, that sounds like fun |
| 23:35.09 | Dashkal | http://graphjam.com/2008/11/15/song-chart-memes-tech-desk-call-resolution/ |
| 23:35.43 | erikd | quaiche: I've been happy with it so far, I wrote a script to read an xml config I have and back up my VM images at work on a nightly/weekly/monthly basis |
| 23:35.55 | erikd | it's really easy to work with xml files |
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| 23:36.05 | Quaiche | Yeah, it is a very nice little scripting language. |
| 23:36.15 | Quaiche | I love that objects pass along the pipeline instead of text |
| 23:36.22 | erikd | I'll be happy once they replace the normal console with it |
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| 23:41.50 | NightHawkTheSane | are 70 heroics giving decent experience, or something? there's an oddly large amount of people looking for outlands heroics >.> |
| 23:42.04 | Lopeppeppy | Achievements, maybe? |
| 23:42.25 | cog|away | ^ |
| 23:42.36 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe, but why bother at.. like 72? :P |
| 23:42.44 | Corr-work | becuase they're acheivement |
| 23:42.57 | Corr-work | blizzard has declared that these activities are worth your time |
| 23:43.05 | Corr-work | if you perform them, you have acheived. |
| 23:43.05 | Lopeppeppy | Achievement Whooore pimps for achievements. :) |
| 23:43.26 | NightHawkTheSane | the achievement, and the instance, will still be there at 80, and easier to boot |
| 23:43.30 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I was ranting about achievements earlier, you know they're not my thing. |
| 23:43.39 | Corr-work | indeed |
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| 23:48.15 | Iriel | There are few things more annoying to some (myself, to an extent' included) as an achievement for something i've done, but which it didn't know about because it pre-dated the achievements system |
| 23:48.33 | Iriel | (or which I did on another character ages ago) |
| 23:48.45 | Lunessa | Iriel: amen, brother. Preach it. |
| 23:48.59 | NightHawkTheSane | the latter frustrates me a lot. I've done a lot on a few characters that I no longer play |
| 23:49.43 | Corr-work | are you saying they did -not- make acheivements for things in the paswt and retroact them? |
| 23:50.08 | Corr-work | wow. that's... that's precious. |
| 23:50.10 | ZorbaTHut | corr, some, some not |
| 23:50.16 | kd3 | they did as much as they could |
| 23:50.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 23:50.21 | Iriel | it depends on whether they have the data, many are retroactive |
| 23:50.25 | ZorbaTHut | like, it doesn't know if you've killed Big Bob the Snake if you don't have any loot from him or any quests completed involving him |
| 23:50.25 | kd3 | say, for all dungeon/raid bosses that had a quest to kill them |
| 23:50.25 | Lunessa | Anything they could find a way to track they retroactively granted. |
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| 23:50.48 | NightHawkTheSane | the game really has no idea if you beat nefarion if you've done no quests related to his death and have long since deleted any loot from him |
| 23:50.59 | NightHawkTheSane | (for example) |
| 23:51.10 | ZorbaTHut | I'm sort of surprised blizzard doesn't store major events, like boss kills/blue loot, indefinitely |
| 23:51.26 | NightHawkTheSane | well, they do now, i guess. :p |
| 23:51.29 | Corr-work | indeed. well, how sad. |
| 23:51.37 | ZorbaTHut | no, they still don't - only stuff that achievements track ;) |
| 23:51.46 | Corr-work | i would have considered that one strong reason not to implement acheivements |
| 23:51.50 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy, the database on that! Of course they can't track everything. |
| 23:51.53 | NightHawkTheSane | well, yeah. but there's achievements for most kills worth it |
| 23:52.01 | ZorbaTHut | lopeppeppy, why not? it wouldn't be that much data all things considered. |
| 23:52.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: hardly. |
| 23:52.21 | Corr-work | but obviously the funwizards at blizzard know that people don't care about that stuff as much as they care about being in a battleground that expires due to lack of people |
| 23:52.32 | Corr-work | now that proves something. |
| 23:52.40 | kd3 | ? |
| 23:52.42 | Iriel | I'm sure wow started with a 'store only that which is necessary' model |
| 23:52.51 | Iriel | no sense in over-investing in infrastructure early on |
| 23:52.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: proves something aside from you just whining? ;) |
| 23:52.56 | Lopeppeppy | ZorbaTHut, times... what, 12 million accounts times 50 characters per? As Iriel says, store what's necessary. |
| 23:53.02 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, yeah, I just think that's the wrong way to go |
| 23:53.14 | ZorbaTHut | the data is small, and the infrastructure investment with so few players would have also been small |
| 23:53.22 | ZorbaTHut | comparatively, the data is *still* small. |
| 23:53.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: arguably, but its really hard to predict what you'll want to do ~5 years down the line |
| 23:53.45 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly, NightHawkTheSane. |
| 23:53.45 | Corr-work | sadly not, nighthawk, because i don't play, and thus this place is my only available whining location when i hear about what seems to me to be such a bad thing to add to the game |
| 23:53.50 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, and that's why you store more than you think you'll need ;) I feel like anyone making an MMORPG should just automatically store any major events |
| 23:53.55 | Lopeppeppy | No use crying over spilled milk. |
| 23:53.58 | ZorbaTHut | and stuff like "blue drops" and "killed a boss" are pretty clearly major. |
| 23:54.12 | kd3 | well at this point it's all in the past |
| 23:54.25 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: how long have you held that exact belief? |
| 23:54.26 | ZorbaTHut | it is, but there's no reason not to talk about it. Maybe one of us will make an MMORPG and not make the same mistake. |
| 23:54.45 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, ever since I worked at Google and learned exactly how much storing everything costs |
| 23:54.53 | Iriel | when was that? |
| 23:54.58 | ZorbaTHut | 'bout two years ago, now |
| 23:54.59 | ZorbaTHut | why? |
| 23:55.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: so you're basically taking an absurdly small sample of highly biased data, and making a global judgement about the game based on that? |
| 23:55.03 | Iriel | wow is older than 2 years |
| 23:55.10 | ZorbaTHut | google has more logs than Blizzard. |
| 23:55.16 | ZorbaTHut | I feel quite, quite confident claiming that. |
| 23:55.27 | Iriel | things which seem 'obvious' now were by no means givens before WoW launched |
| 23:55.45 | Lopeppeppy | It's always, always easier to speak from hindsight. |
| 23:55.46 | kd3 | what's the phrase? "hindsight is 20/20"? |
| 23:55.47 | ZorbaTHut | I dunno, I don't see how blues and purples were ever *not* major |
| 23:55.48 | Corr-work | i'm making a jugement about a single system that i've seen implemented in other games as well. i must admit, i quit long before they were added to WoW, so i have no personal experience with the WoW version of them. |
| 23:55.49 | Lopeppeppy | And to condem from it. |
| 23:56.06 | Iriel | purples are somewhat major, sure |
| 23:56.10 | Iriel | blues less so |
| 23:56.15 | ZorbaTHut | I think it was a mistake, that's all. I certainly err in the direction of logging too much :P |
| 23:56.36 | ZorbaTHut | I'm rigging stuff into questhelper now because I think I might, at some future time, care about it. |
| 23:56.45 | Corr-work | but i have read enough arguments over "prescribed fun" to know that it's unhealthy, at least for people like me, to participate in that sort of thing |
| 23:56.48 | Corr-work | and to be mandatory, that's just sick |
| 23:56.58 | ZorbaTHut | corr, eh? achievements aren't mandatory |
| 23:57.06 | Corr-work | i was told earlier that you cannot opt-out |
| 23:57.14 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but you can just ignore them |
| 23:57.16 | kd3 | ya, but you don't have to opt in |
| 23:57.29 | kd3 | "great I got an achievement. so... who cares?" |
| 23:57.30 | Lopeppeppy | You can make it so that you don't see them, which is close enough for most people. |
| 23:57.34 | ZorbaTHut | that's like claiming beer is mandatory because you can't remove all beer over the entire planet. you can just, you know, not drink it. |
| 23:57.41 | ZorbaTHut | nobody is requiring you to drink the kool-aid :D |
| 23:57.59 | Lopeppeppy | Don't mistake my ranting earlier for the achievements being mandatory. I just don't like how they are displayed, that's all. |
| 23:58.01 | Corr-work | alright, answer me this: can other people see what you have acheived? |
| 23:58.17 | ZorbaTHut | corr, yes |
| 23:58.19 | Corr-work | achieved? how the hell is this spelled |
| 23:58.20 | kd3 | yup. just like they can inspect your talents and your pvp pane |
| 23:58.22 | NightHawkTheSane | yes. but are you really going to let other people's opinions influence our game? |
| 23:58.25 | Lopeppeppy | Old argument is old. |
| 23:58.29 | Iriel | One other note about google versus wow |
| 23:58.43 | Iriel | logs at google likely dont have the same level of 'attached value' as the player data for wow |
| 23:58.50 | Corr-work | indeed the 'i' comes first |
| 23:58.56 | Iriel | if blizzard loses ONE character's db records, then they're in trouble |
| 23:59.05 | Iriel | if google lost 5% of their logs for a week they likely wouldn't care |
| 23:59.14 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, they're actually very, very valuable - 5% of logs for a week would be a disaster |
| 23:59.22 | Iriel | (yes stuff like gmail is different, blah blah) |
| 23:59.44 | Iriel | Really? |
| 23:59.51 | ZorbaTHut | once you have a reliable data storage system, it's usually not too expensive to expand the amount of data it stores, also. |
