| 00:00.42 | Anaral | Wow, So my husband queues my warlock for a battleground to get to Dalaran, I go in, I wait a minute, I afk out. I get the message Discovered Dalaran: 2100 experience, I'm in the inn on the Scryer's Tier. o.O |
| 00:02.01 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that happend to our lock the other night |
| 00:05.18 | End | cbreak: he used his gun :P |
| 00:07.58 | Corrodias | i don't understand |
| 00:09.42 | ZorbaTHut | dodging gank-happy death knights in outland as a cat druid is turning out to be an incredible amount of fun |
| 00:13.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I kinda like the server queues |
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| 00:13.22 | ScytheBlade1 | This way I have nothing else to do aside from my homework :P |
| 00:15.35 | cbreak | sounds like a good base for a conspiracy |
| 00:17.30 | batrick | oo punny |
| 00:26.08 | WobWork | http://twitter.com/towerbridge |
| 00:26.47 | kd3 | rofl |
| 00:27.43 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 00:28.46 | foxlit | The bastards |
| 00:29.02 | foxlit | "Alchimie" for the entry-level Alchemy skill on the german client |
| 00:29.05 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 00:29.16 | foxlit | "Alchemie" for the grand master Alchemy skill on the german client. |
| 00:29.57 | foxlit | in other news, Blizzard localization teams can't spell, either. |
| 00:32.50 | cbreak | hmm... I wonder which is correct |
| 00:32.57 | cbreak | I would say Alchemie |
| 00:33.56 | foxlit | google, the authoritative source on modern languages, suggests that they're about equal |
| 00:35.24 | cbreak | yeah, I found an online dictionary that says the same |
| 00:39.20 | foxlit | hm, so where do I whine at the localization team breaking my addon? :P |
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| 00:41.28 | Shirik|Ecole | bacon turkey bravo ftw |
| 00:41.32 | cbreak | ask someone to post it in the UI forum of the americans |
| 00:41.39 | cbreak | or do it yourself if you can :) |
| 00:41.48 | Shirik|Ecole | post what? /me hates joining late |
| 00:42.04 | Shirik|Ecole | I really need to get a bnc |
| 00:43.12 | foxlit | foxlit: "Alchimie" for the entry-level Alchemy skill on the german client foxlit: "Alchemie" for the grand master Alchemy skill on the german client. |
| 00:43.27 | foxlit | foxlit: hm, so where do I whine at the localization team breaking my addon? :P |
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| 00:56.02 | Shirik|Ecole | sooooooooooooo colllllllllllld |
| 00:56.02 | Shirik|Ecole | omg |
| 00:56.05 | Shirik|Ecole | ~weather kdab |
| 00:56.13 | Shirik|Ecole | Cairenn, what's it like by you? |
| 00:56.28 | Cairenn | not talking about it |
| 00:56.50 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm regretting wearing a t-shirt today |
| 01:05.01 | sacarasc | 10c isn't cold |
| 01:05.14 | Shirik|Ecole | yes it is |
| 01:05.30 | Shirik|Ecole | is freeezing |
| 01:05.45 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 01:05.50 | Shirik|Ecole | yes it is |
| 01:05.59 | cbreak | 0°C is freezing |
| 01:06.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 01:06.08 | Shirik|Ecole | No |
| 01:06.09 | cbreak | 10°C is 10°C above freezing |
| 01:06.12 | Shirik|Ecole | Only in Celsius |
| 01:06.18 | Shirik|Ecole | I use Shirigrade |
| 01:06.31 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft, what's that "freezing" and "not"? :P |
| 01:06.59 | Shirik|Ecole | Shirigrade has a very easy-to-use conversion between Celsius and Shirigrade |
| 01:07.36 | Shirik|Ecole | s(c) = { 0, c < 20; 1, c >= 20 } |
| 01:07.44 | Shirik|Ecole | If 0, it is freezing. If 1, it is not. |
| 01:08.12 | NightHawkTheSane | I think we can simplify it further to "shirik is a pussy" ;) |
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| 01:08.29 | Shirik|Ecole | we can simplify it to "florida wasn't designed to be this damn cold, I blame Bush" |
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| 01:08.54 | bnovc | http://www.almostgaming.com/images/dontsuck.jpg |
| 01:09.06 | jacklondon | Hey can I ask a question about how to modify a focus macro? |
| 01:09.22 | cbreak | no! |
| 01:09.24 | Shirik|Ecole | ~asktoask |
| 01:09.25 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 01:09.25 | jacklondon | lol :/ |
| 01:09.27 | cbreak | no questions! |
| 01:09.40 | jacklondon | how do you make the poly morph macro ... ./clearfocus [target=focus,dead] |
| 01:09.57 | Shirik|Ecole | "the polymorph macro" you're going to have to be more descriptive |
| 01:10.07 | jacklondon | sorry workin on it |
| 01:10.22 | jacklondon | well a focus macro to create a focus off of an assist ? |
| 01:10.36 | jacklondon | via mouse over |
| 01:10.41 | jacklondon | :D |
| 01:10.53 | Shirik|Ecole | /focus mouseovertarget |
| 01:11.04 | Shirik|Ecole | i.e., you're hovering over your ally and you want his target focused? |
| 01:11.14 | Lukian | is there a no focus conditional? |
| 01:11.19 | jacklondon | yep |
| 01:11.20 | cbreak | mouseovertarget is the unit string that identifies the target of what ever you have your mouse over |
| 01:11.24 | Shirik|Ecole | Lukian: [nofocus] |
| 01:11.26 | Shirik|Ecole | er wait |
| 01:11.30 | Shirik|Ecole | [target=focus,noexists] |
| 01:11.38 | Lukian | there you go |
| 01:11.57 | cbreak | I use this: |
| 01:12.28 | cbreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.34 | cbreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.41 | cbreak | and then /cast [target=focus][exists] Polymorph(Rank 4) |
| 01:13.09 | Shirik|Ecole | uh |
| 01:13.14 | cbreak | (it works) |
| 01:13.16 | Shirik|Ecole | why not /cast [target=focus,exists][exists] |
| 01:13.17 | Shirik|Ecole | ? |
| 01:13.23 | jacklondon | i think this looks like it would be what im trying to accomplish... /focus mouseovertarget /cast [target=focus] Judgement of Light |
| 01:13.37 | Shirik|Ecole | in fact, cbreak, half of that macro is worthless :) |
| 01:13.41 | cbreak | yes |
| 01:13.44 | cbreak | but it works! |
| 01:13.48 | cbreak | (sort of :) |
| 01:13.50 | Dewin | 87 minute queue >.> |
| 01:13.53 | Shirik|Ecole | the macro /cast [target=focus][exists] Polymorph(Rank 4) is identical to /cast [target=focus] Polymorph(Rank 4) |
| 01:14.44 | cbreak | yes |
| 01:14.52 | Arrowmaster | not quite |
| 01:15.06 | Shirik|Ecole | how do you say that Arrowmaster? |
| 01:15.30 | jacklondon | it clears itself when i use it a 2nd time without a target... .. /focus mouseovertarget /cast [target=focus] Judgement of Light |
| 01:15.30 | jacklondon | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.38 | Arrowmaster | actually your right, since the first condition can never fail |
| 01:15.52 | Shirik|Ecole | jacklondon: Add in [target=focus,noexists] after /focus |
| 01:16.34 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah Arrowmaster, and just to check that it doesn't imply "exists" I did a test with heal |
| 01:16.37 | cogwheel | better is noharm |
| 01:16.39 | Shirik|Ecole | it just complained "You have no target." |
| 01:16.58 | Shirik|Ecole | which I expected |
| 01:17.09 | Arrowmaster | [target=focus,noexists] umm..... |
| 01:17.11 | Arrowmaster | that wont work |
| 01:17.33 | Shirik|Ecole | no? |
| 01:17.38 | Arrowmaster | you want to cast a spell on your focus when it doesnt exist? it will just error |
| 01:17.43 | Shirik|Ecole | no |
| 01:17.45 | cogwheel | Arrowmaster: for the focus command |
| 01:17.47 | Shirik|Ecole | I want to focus when it doesn't exist |
| 01:17.47 | cogwheel | noth the cast |
| 01:18.11 | Shirik|Ecole | (or rather, jacklondon does :) ) |
| 01:18.13 | jacklondon | is there something you can add to make it not change your target to the targets target when clicking it? |
| 01:18.17 | jacklondon | lol |
| 01:18.20 | Shirik|Ecole | jacklondon: I just told you |
| 01:18.25 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 01:18.26 | Arrowmaster | i see now |
| 01:18.36 | Shirik|Ecole | (20:15:49) (@Shirik|Ecole) jacklondon: Add in [target=focus,noexists] after /focus |
| 01:18.44 | Shirik|Ecole | Except as cogwheel pointed out, use [target=focus,noharm] instead |
| 01:18.45 | jacklondon | no it works, i added that already, but it changes my target that im currently selecting |
| 01:18.55 | Shirik|Ecole | it shouldn't |
| 01:18.58 | jacklondon | to the focus target, can you cast on it without losing your current target |
| 01:19.30 | cogwheel | a lot of people have been noticing that kind of thing since 3.0 |
| 01:19.43 | Shirik|Ecole | oh? |
| 01:19.45 | Shirik|Ecole | bug I assume |
| 01:19.49 | cogwheel | it seems some spells may have been changed to automatically target whatever they're casting on |
| 01:19.54 | jacklondon | .. /focus [target=focus,noexists] mouseovertarget /cast [target=focus] Judgement of Light changes the target to the casted on target |
| 01:20.10 | Shirik|Ecole | I gotta run |
| 01:20.57 | jacklondon | can i add a target last target to the /cast? |
| 01:21.01 | cogwheel | i can see why they'dve done that too... in arenas people were using focus exclusively to hide who they're actually casting on |
| 01:21.39 | cogwheel | i'm not sure if that would work 100% of the time |
| 01:21.49 | cogwheel | if the spell fails or you're out of range does it still change your target? |
| 01:28.46 | jacklondon | looks like that'd work, but its not clearing atm |
| 01:32.46 | Shirik | grr |
| 01:32.48 | Shirik | I pinged myself |
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| 01:37.53 | Shirik | You know, I really don't have a problem with server queues |
| 01:38.03 | Shirik | I just wish that damn dragon didn't spend its time laughing at you while you wait |
| 01:40.49 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 01:40.55 | Arrowmaster | seriously wtf |
| 01:41.03 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck cant i get this data merged properly |
| 01:41.44 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Did you push the "merge" button? |
| 01:42.02 | Shirik | seriously though, what are you trying to merge? |
| 01:42.14 | Arrowmaster | i have 3 different sets of item price data |
| 01:42.52 | Shirik | and trying to find the union of all of them? |
| 01:43.10 | cbreak | the minimum I hope |
| 01:43.27 | Arrowmaster | one from ItemPrice-1.0 when the original data was still being kept in the svn, one from reversing the compression in the latest ItemPrice-1.1, and one from my own datamining of the armory |
| 01:44.23 | Shirik | and you want the union? |
| 01:44.51 | Arrowmaster | not really, im starting with one then applying any changes from the later ones |
| 01:44.59 | Shirik | ah |
| 01:45.04 | Shirik | gogo diff :) |
| 01:45.12 | Arrowmaster | cant |
| 01:45.12 | Shirik | well not really |
| 01:45.18 | Shirik | because it's not in the same order, etc., huh? |
| 01:45.35 | Arrowmaster | two of them are being stored in yaml files right now unordered |
| 01:45.41 | Arrowmaster | and the other is in a tsv |
| 01:45.53 | Shirik | yaml? o.o |
| 01:46.03 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 01:46.12 | Arrowmaster | im using ruby and it was easy to export it as yaml |
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| 01:47.58 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 01:48.13 | Shirik | indeed |
| 01:48.27 | Shirik | also |
| 01:48.31 | Arrowmaster | missing a lot of data when not trying to include my own datamining results |
| 01:48.33 | Shirik | you deserve all the problems you're having |
| 01:48.36 | Arrowmaster | so it seems i mesed up somewhere |
| 01:48.50 | Shirik | you used ruby |
| 01:49.00 | Shirik | ruby is the emacs of programming languages |
| 01:49.15 | Arrowmaster | hey im liking it |
| 01:49.23 | Arrowmaster | dont really know much yet though |
| 01:49.26 | kd3 | overbloaated and useless? |
| 02:01.49 | Syzgyn | Server go boom :( |
| 02:02.41 | Arrowmaster | oh wow, i found an error i made fixing up the compression script where i forgot to add a 'count = count + 1' in an elseif i added |
| 02:03.01 | Arrowmaster | but the upside is that because of all of this i discovered another error that truely was fucking up the result majorly |
| 02:03.45 | Arrowmaster | that error was making anything without a price have a price of 0 instead, and 0 means it cannot be sold instead of that it doesnt know the price |
| 02:08.31 | NightHawkTheSane | "How long has your cat been dead?" "How long is irrelevent! It isn't even MY CAT!" |
| 02:08.55 | cbreak | the cat is not dead. It's in a superposition of both being dead and being alive at the same time. |
| 02:09.04 | Tekkub | ah I love WoW's bad physics |
| 02:09.55 | Tekkub | you jump off a moving boat, do you A) travel in a straight line perpedicular to the boat's direction of travel or B) Move at an angle along the boat's direction of travel? |
| 02:10.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: die from fatigue. :p |
| 02:10.31 | Tekkub | no no, the ally boat into FJORD! that takes forevah! |
| 02:10.49 | cogwheel | god i'm tempted to give up on my DK having any professions... grinding sucks |
| 02:11.01 | cbreak | leveling herbalism is easy |
| 02:11.06 | cbreak | (if you start at 375 :) |
| 02:12.02 | Tekkub | note to self, rape the Overcharged Capacitor market and level up Engy a bit at the same time! |
| 02:15.43 | Arrowmaster | OMG IT WORKS! |
| 02:15.51 | Arrowmaster | now i just have to fix up the rest of this |
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| 02:15.59 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:16.07 | Amarande | I wonder how hard it will be to start death knights after the initial rush is over |
| 02:16.25 | pompy | cbreak: I'm not finding any herbs in northrend, they are scarce |
| 02:16.32 | cbreak | I found quite a bit |
| 02:16.37 | cbreak | got 450 today |
| 02:16.47 | Tekkub | I'm finding assloads of Goldclover on the AH |
| 02:16.53 | Tekkub | price is finally going down |
| 02:16.56 | pompy | im only at like 395 (ima tauren so i started at 390) |
| 02:17.00 | cbreak | (one of my guild got to level 80! An other maxed alchemy as realm first... and I hang around at 73 :( ) |
| 02:17.08 | kd3 | 417. glad I finally broke the 400 mark |
| 02:17.15 | Tekkub | <-- 71 and 70.4 |
| 02:17.32 | pompy | someone on my server maxed out engineering already and bought hte 20k g mount |
| 02:17.36 | cbreak | kd3: there are herbs in the troll area that are 380 min level |
| 02:17.40 | pompy | talk about having a crapload of gold |
| 02:17.48 | kd3 | ya. I just ground on goldclover til I hit 400 |
| 02:18.15 | cbreak | I could buy it too |
| 02:18.17 | pompy | where should i fish to level that? |
| 02:18.41 | cbreak | dalaran sewers |
| 02:18.44 | cbreak | chance for rat pet :) |
| 02:18.55 | cbreak | or the dalaran fountain |
| 02:19.38 | Amarande | main thing that occurs to me about death knights after the initial rush |
| 02:19.48 | Amarande | it seems there will be -way- too many mobs in the starting area if there's not other DKs starting too |
| 02:19.59 | pompy | i tried the fountain but all i got was food and i didnt get points |
| 02:20.07 | pompy | i got the kaelthas coin and that gave me a point |
| 02:20.09 | pompy | but thats about it |
| 02:20.13 | Tekkub | I love how Blizzy overcompensated for the shitty green gem cuts by giving us _19_ ... and then only gave 4 blue cuts |
| 02:20.14 | Lukian | Amarande, the DK start is instanced. |
| 02:22.14 | cbreak | What I wonder is: how do I level cooking? |
| 02:22.23 | cbreak | I found no recipes that were higher than the initial ones |
| 02:23.39 | Tekkub | uh, daily cooking quests to get other recipes? |
| 02:23.54 | cbreak | yes, that was the only option I saw |
| 02:24.25 | cbreak | but they are expensive. two to three days per recipe |
| 02:25.02 | Tekkub | lol, the engy crafting panel now says "Tinker" |
| 02:25.10 | Tekkub | instead of "Create" |
| 02:25.36 | pompy | tekkub: the daily in shatt? |
| 02:25.42 | Tekkub | no |
| 02:26.09 | pompy | wheres there other daily cooking quests? |
| 02:27.12 | cbreak | I only know the one in shatrath |
| 02:27.22 | cbreak | and dalaran |
| 02:27.34 | pompy | ah havent seen those dailies in dalaran yet |
| 02:31.58 | Amarande | Lukian: there's usually a bunch of DKs in the DK start though |
| 02:32.13 | Amarande | I'm wondering what happens once everyone's already got their DK ready and you try to start a DK on that server |
| 02:32.19 | Amarande | whether it's going to make you feel like Zeth'Gor all over again |
| 02:33.14 | Tekkub | Zeth'Gor? |
| 02:34.07 | Amarande | that evil evil place in Hellfire that's hell now because nobody does Hellfire much anymore but the mob density and respawn wasn't reduced accordingly |
| 02:34.36 | Tekkub | uh, no, the DK zone is easy even when no one's there |
| 02:37.58 | Arrowmaster | somebody get me past this damn queue so i can test if i royally fucked up ItemPrice-1.1 or not before commiting it |
| 02:38.10 | Tekkub | l2notlogout |
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| 02:38.24 | Arrowmaster | i havent logged in at all recently |
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| 02:38.35 | Arrowmaster | i logged in yesterday morning |
| 02:38.37 | Phase | this the channel for asking if X addon exists? |
| 02:38.44 | Tekkub | you had to log out to be not logged in now |
| 02:38.50 | Tekkub | don't log out! |
| 02:38.52 | Arrowmaster | but i havent left an inn in over 50 some hours |
| 02:39.16 | Arrowmaster | make that 60 now |
| 02:39.21 | cogwheel | ~asktoask |
| 02:39.22 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 02:39.52 | Tekkub | fuck that, everyone is allotted one question duing the first hour after login |
| 02:39.55 | Tekkub | you wasted yours |
| 02:40.09 | cogwheel | Pay no attention to Tekkub |
| 02:40.17 | cogwheel | none of us do |
| 02:40.23 | Tekkub | you just did! |
| 02:40.23 | Phase | purl, I know, I've been on IRC for around 10 years. However, certain communities accept and reject certain things, and I would rather find out of it were allowed beforehand, rather than get shunned/kicked/etc by following your logic. |
| 02:40.24 | purl | You know, I've been on IRC for around 10 years. However, certain communities accept and reject certain things, and I would rather find out of it were allowed beforehand, rather than get shunned/kicked/etc by following your logic.? |
| 02:40.36 | Phase | oh |
| 02:40.37 | Phase | lame bot. |
| 02:40.41 | Phase | anywho |
| 02:40.52 | Tekkub | yes purl is crap |
| 02:41.00 | Phase | (bots that respond without a clear trigger are garbage, by the way) |
| 02:41.12 | Tekkub | ~asktoask |
| 02:41.12 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 02:41.15 | cogwheel | what part of ~asktoask isn't a clear trigger? |
| 02:41.22 | Phase | I didn't see you type that :P |
| 02:41.30 | Phase | I figured it triggered when I said the first thing. |
| 02:41.30 | cogwheel | 18:39 <+cogwheel> ~asktoask |
| 02:41.30 | cogwheel | 18:39 < purl> This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 02:41.34 | cogwheel | :P |
| 02:41.40 | Phase | :p |
| 02:41.44 | |Jelly| | ~weather kdfw |
| 02:42.00 | cogwheel | ~failrik |
| 02:42.01 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 02:42.07 | Tekkub | ~purlsucks |
| 02:42.11 | Phase | I've got an item I want to buy worth so many honor points.. is there something I can use that will let me set it so it will tell me when I have the set amount of points? |
| 02:42.15 | cogwheel | ~tekkubwishes |
| 02:42.29 | Tekkub | ~inflatabledildos |
| 02:42.38 | Tekkub | I can never remember that command.. |
| 02:43.40 | ZorbaTHut | does anyone know if there's an easy way to test your client on other locales? like, an international testing server or something? |
| 02:43.46 | cogwheel | Phase: fwiw, unless you're spamming or posting links to gold sellers pretty much any thing goes here |
| 02:43.50 | Phase | And what site do you recommend getting addons from? I use wowinterface exclusively at the moment, any other good ones? |
| 02:43.58 | cogwheel | the ops will warn you if you start to piss them off ;) |
| 02:44.18 | cogwheel | Phase: mod author resources sticky on ui & macros forum has a list |
| 02:44.34 | cogwheel | err... Mods FAQ |
| 02:44.40 | Tekkub | there's curse and that other site :P |
| 02:44.49 | Phase | 'that other site' ? |
| 02:44.50 | Phase | lol |
| 02:44.52 | Phase | thanks cogwheel |
| 02:44.54 | Tekkub | does anyone even use incgamers anymore? |
| 02:45.11 | kd3 | not since one of the earlier keylogger events |
| 02:45.33 | Tekkub | that's what I thought.. but never know, I mean they do still host addons... |
| 02:45.40 | Tekkub | so who the hell is uploading em? |
| 02:45.53 | Phase | ok, avoid incgamers, got it. |
| 02:46.37 | Tekkub | Phase, long history, in short, they piss off lots of authors and have had lots of keylogger infections... which they handled far less gracefully then the other sites have |
| 02:46.50 | Phase | ah |
| 02:48.01 | Phase | curse looks nice |
| 02:48.38 | cogwheel | it's an illusion |
| 02:48.51 | cogwheel | but they do host lots of addons :P |
| 02:48.57 | Tekkub | they just throw pretty graphics up |
| 02:49.20 | Phase | thats why I said 'looks nice', lol |
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| 02:49.48 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: Stableboy just got me killed D: |
| 02:50.01 | NightHawkTheSane | "got you killed"? |
| 02:57.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: are you going to expound on that? or should I just mock you? ;) |
| 02:58.13 | Syzgyn | sorry, was trying to not die for different reasons |
| 02:58.28 | Syzgyn | I was up on that spire I told you about last night, hit my mount button, and tried to fly. |
| 02:58.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i see. |
| 02:59.09 | Syzgyn | If your mod wasnt so awesome, I would've expected to check and see if it had gotten the right mount out |
| 02:59.11 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i'm going to have to go with "mock you" ;) |
| 02:59.12 | Syzgyn | so basically |
| 02:59.19 | Syzgyn | You being too pro got me killed. |
| 03:00.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i ah.. apologize, though. ;) |
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| 03:01.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i should hit 77 tonight, so ill try and figure something out for that tonight or tomorrow |
| 03:09.46 | Syzgyn | awesome |
| 03:15.05 | Gnarfoz | what's with macro conditionals not being aware of CWF and no-fly-zones btw? |
| 03:15.09 | AbsoRayne | 40% into 79 |
| 03:15.11 | AbsoRayne | so close |
| 03:15.12 | Gnarfoz | that's seriously meh. :\ |
| 03:15.12 | AbsoRayne | >< |
| 03:16.16 | AbsoRayne | im seriously tired :( |
| 03:17.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: uh, welcome to several months ago? :P |
| 03:18.20 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: I-no-rite? |
| 03:18.28 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: they should have fixed that months ago. |
| 03:18.32 | cbreak | I reported that bug twice in beta |
| 03:18.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i think we all did, cbreak |
| 03:19.06 | Amarande | by the way, how did Shirik manage to make a character permanently dead or whatnot? |
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| 03:19.22 | Shirik | ... what? |
| 03:30.10 | Amarande | Shirik: you said you managed to make a character no longer playable |
| 03:30.13 | Amarande | or was that Seerah who did that? |
| 03:30.20 | Shirik | oh right |
| 03:30.22 | Shirik | yes I did |
| 03:30.23 | Amarande | btw, why are there SO MANY DKs that keep asking about the iron chain? |
| 03:30.25 | Shirik | GM fixed it up |
| 03:30.33 | Amarande | how'd you do it? |
| 03:30.42 | Shirik | by jumping around is all I know |
| 03:30.56 | Shirik | I got to the point where it just kept disconnecting me every time I logged in |
| 03:31.05 | Corrodias | are they penalizing players now who bunny hop too much? |
| 03:31.11 | Corrodias | that oughtta thin out the night elves |
| 03:31.35 | Amarande | Corrodias: why would they do that? |
| 03:31.55 | cbreak | because they are.... EVIL |
| 03:32.03 | cbreak | *dun dun dun* |
| 03:32.36 | Amarande | I get DKs who keep asking about the iron chain |
| 03:32.48 | Amarande | DKs who keep thinking I am having trouble killing mobs and need help when I'm doing the persuade with the swords quest ... |
| 03:33.14 | Amarande | Shirik: you didn't fall through the world did you? |
| 03:33.20 | Shirik | no |
| 03:33.45 | Shirik | everything disappeared when I clicked on something (all players, mining nodes, etc.) |
| 03:34.09 | Shirik | and then after about 10 minutes or so, my client disconnected |
| 03:34.16 | Shirik | then every time I tried to log in I got DCed |
| 03:34.55 | cbreak | you could make things disappear just by clicking on them? Whoa. That power really did come at a price though. :/ |
| 03:35.05 | Amarande | sounds like a bugged world object |
| 03:36.26 | NightHawkTheSane | the wrath gate cinematic never fails to impress me |
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| 03:37.15 | cbreak | it's a pre-recorded movie made by in-game graphics. weird. |
| 03:37.20 | cbreak | but rather impressive |
| 03:38.20 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:38.28 | Amarande | we need an even more important to read the quest text quest I guess |
| 03:38.43 | Amarande | like, how about one that dumps a player into a room full of 83 elites and they have to spirit rez afterwards if they don't follow the text precisely :| |
| 03:39.31 | alestane | It would have to randomly generate the completion steps, so that they couldn't thottbot it or ask people for a walkthrough. |
| 03:40.10 | cbreak | personalized quests. |
| 03:40.37 | cbreak | that could work for the cooking quests, just randomize the delivery target and the ordered meal |
| 03:41.51 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: that wouldn't actually be difficult to do, in the abstract. but it's pretty certainly not easy to do given how wow's quest back end is likely set up |
| 03:50.57 | ZorbaTHut | implementing lzw in lua, :( |
| 03:52.24 | cbreak | for? |
| 03:52.31 | cbreak | wasn't there a lib for compression already? |
| 03:52.35 | NightHawkTheSane | shits and giggles? |
| 03:53.01 | cbreak | implement AES in lua :) |
| 03:54.59 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, there is, but it doesn't compact things as much as I want |
| 03:55.14 | ZorbaTHut | and I've actually considered implementing asymmetric key encryption in lua ;) |
| 03:55.24 | Amarande | gah |
| 03:55.29 | Amarande | my DK keeps finding Superior Mana Potions :| |
| 03:55.40 | cbreak | asymetric even? |
| 03:55.46 | cbreak | sounds like a lot of pain |
| 03:55.48 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, symmetric wouldn't have done what I wanted. |
| 03:55.54 | ZorbaTHut | it would have been. that's one of the reasons I haven't done it. :) |
| 03:56.11 | cbreak | what did you want to do? signed updates over ADDON channel? |
| 03:56.43 | Amarande | and morning glory dew! |
| 03:56.47 | ZorbaTHut | distributed secure reputation network |
| 03:57.14 | ZorbaTHut | such that it would determine who is likely good (or bad) for you to group with, and give recommendations |
| 03:57.15 | cbreak | that sounds interesting :) |
| 03:57.22 | ZorbaTHut | I think it's about 95% doable |
| 03:57.30 | ZorbaTHut | the 5% being that anyone would be able to see how anyone had rated anyone else. |
| 03:57.39 | ZorbaTHut | which pretty much makes it infeasible right off the bat. :P |
| 03:57.42 | ZorbaTHut | ah well. |
| 03:57.50 | Tekkub | you're forgetting the "getting enough people to use it that it's useful" part |
| 03:58.08 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, not really. even if the only people who use it are a few friends of yours, it's still useful. |
| 03:58.10 | cbreak | so you would need some anonymity |
| 03:58.18 | cbreak | there are anonymous algorithms for various things |
| 03:58.19 | ZorbaTHut | you only need 2 people who know each other well to make it helpful. |
| 03:58.20 | cbreak | such as voting |
| 03:58.29 | cbreak | but they are expensive |
| 03:58.32 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, true, but once you throw anonymity in, the algorithm becomes hugely gamable |
| 03:58.51 | ZorbaTHut | without anonymity it's easy to rig things so it can't be exploited or maliciously tampered with. with anonymity . . . well, I haven't figured out a way to do it. |
| 03:59.14 | Tekkub | IDEA! A way to make trade actually useful that I think might work |
| 03:59.16 | Tekkub | ... |
| 03:59.26 | Tekkub | filter out any message that doesn't contain a link |
| 03:59.41 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, [Huge Brown Sack] lol |
| 03:59.48 | ZorbaTHut | lol, murloc's [Huge Brown Sack], lol |
| 04:00.00 | cbreak | my [Magic Greatstaff] disagrees |
| 04:00.04 | Tekkub | okey, with a few other filters... "murloc" and "anal |
| 04:00.17 | ZorbaTHut | that might help, yeah :) |
| 04:00.34 | Tekkub | just watching trade the last half hours, there was none of that crap |
| 04:00.44 | Tekkub | but all the non-linkey messages were crap |
| 04:01.13 | ZorbaTHut | it really, really depends on the server. somehow my server is actually intelligent, and the only non-linked stuff that goes on in trade is (usually) worth reading |
| 04:01.32 | Tekkub | Friday nights are my server's "fuck the trade channel" nights |
| 04:01.33 | ZorbaTHut | and then some servers are just murloc's anal [Magic Greatstaff] spam |
| 04:01.41 | cbreak | I left 1 and 2 back when I raided molten core |
| 04:01.56 | Tekkub | maybe it's just better cause all the tards are out playing "can I tag the named before these other people" |
| 04:02.02 | Hirsute | I'd love to write an addon that automatically whispers those "anal [link here]" messages back to their originator. Imagine the fun when two or three hundred people with the addon are in trade. |
| 04:02.27 | Tekkub | Hirsute, again, the problem is getting people to use the addon |
| 04:02.33 | Hirsute | Of course, that'd probably piss Blizz off... |
| 04:02.51 | Hirsute | Tekkub: Aye. I know all my guildmates would, that's a few there though. |
| 04:03.16 | cbreak | IANAL, but when blizzard analyzes the cause for whisper spamm, they will surely understand how banal the explanation is. |
| 04:03.31 | Tekkub | besides, it'll probably backfire and the tellers would be the ones that get reported |
| 04:03.33 | cbreak | omg, stop spamming me! :) |
| 04:03.58 | ZorbaTHut | I wish they'd just add a city-wide /1 |
| 04:04.16 | Corrodias | uh |
| 04:04.22 | ZorbaTHut | I understand the people complaining that /2 is meant to be used for trade, but until we get a chat channel with the same abilities as /2, it's just gonna be used for chat |
| 04:04.24 | Corrodias | i think messaging "anal" to people will get you a ban |
| 04:04.47 | cbreak | then put it into other words. |
| 04:04.47 | Tekkub | uh, how about just a world-wide "global" |
| 04:04.55 | Tekkub | let everyone fuck around in that |
| 04:04.57 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, I'd like that too, honestly |
| 04:05.10 | Tekkub | making it world-wide would ENCOURAGE the idiots to go there instead |
| 04:05.15 | Corrodias | i always supported global chat channels. blizzard just wouldn't do it. |
| 04:05.17 | NightHawkTheSane | .. see, i'd actually prefer NOT to give the assholes, idiots, and mouthbreathers a world-wide voice |
| 04:05.20 | Corrodias | i don't know what their major problem with it is |
| 04:05.21 | cbreak | a channel with 3k people in? worthless |
| 04:05.22 | Tekkub | but it'd need to be an "official" channel or they wouldn't go |
| 04:05.35 | ZorbaTHut | or some kind of better channel search interface, so that people could create their own moderated social channels and have people actually able to find them easily |
| 04:05.35 | Corrodias | or rather, -a- global chat channel |
| 04:05.38 | Hirsute | I know it will, like I said, it'd piss Blizz off, but it sure would be nice to have a way to get back at them. |
| 04:05.40 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, you're looking at it wrong |
| 04:05.44 | ZorbaTHut | or, hell, multiple global chat channels |
| 04:05.58 | Tekkub | GIVE them a worldwide voice, so that they'll go there and YOU can easily turn them off |
| 04:06.03 | ZorbaTHut | help, social, banality |
| 04:06.04 | ZorbaTHut | there ya go |
| 04:06.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: i do that anyway. |
| 04:06.13 | Tekkub | ZorbaTHut, you already got multiple globals |
| 04:06.13 | ZorbaTHut | now Anal [Stupid] can go to the Banality channel :D |
| 04:06.17 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't have general or trade in a main chat tab, i never see it |
| 04:06.20 | Corrodias | well, all custom chat channels are global. it's just that there's no OFFICIAL one. |
| 04:06.21 | cbreak | just /join global |
| 04:06.21 | Tekkub | the problem is they're not "official" |
| 04:06.27 | Hirsute | That's it. Adding to the list of addons I want to write some-day-when-I-have-time(tm): One that will just not show chat messages that have certain words in them. |
| 04:06.36 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's what I'm saying - add a small number of global chat channels for designated uses |
| 04:06.40 | ZorbaTHut | official ones |
| 04:06.44 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, I've not been in Trade for YEARS because of this |
| 04:06.48 | Corrodias | am i the only person here who actually likes general chat? |
| 04:06.52 | Corrodias | well, liked |
| 04:06.58 | Tekkub | it just hit me that maybe I can filter out 90% of the noise |
| 04:07.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: yes |
| 04:07.11 | ZorbaTHut | corrodias, I like /2 when it's used for general chat :) |
| 04:07.11 | Tekkub | yes Corrodias |
| 04:07.20 | ZorbaTHut | when the people involved have more brain cells than an amoeba. |
| 04:07.21 | Tekkub | we all have IRC to do our stupid chit chat on |
| 04:07.28 | NightHawkTheSane | dealing with the general public is kind of like... well.. dealing with the general public. |
| 04:07.39 | Tekkub | and the people here have, on average, .256 more brains than wow /1 users |
| 04:07.40 | Corrodias | sorry man, one IRC channel does not fulfill my social needs |
| 04:08.00 | NightHawkTheSane | and wow does? |
| 04:08.09 | Corrodias | did, occasionally |
| 04:08.12 | NightHawkTheSane | if so, i feel very sorry for you |
| 04:08.18 | Tekkub | s/wow does/wow GENERAL does/ |
| 04:08.23 | Corrodias | that's your right, but it won't change my behavior |
| 04:08.30 | Tekkub | guild can be nice if you get a good guild |
| 04:09.11 | Tekkub | YOU ARE NOT REPAIRED! |
| 04:09.24 | Tekkub | god damnit foobar had to play the soundtrack |
| 04:09.45 | ZorbaTHut | hmm. well, the compression seems to work |
| 04:09.47 | ZorbaTHut | that's a good sign |
| 04:10.49 | Phase | Whats a good custom bar addon? I was using FuBar but it appears broken now.. |
| 04:11.11 | cbreak | I use Demsomething |
| 04:11.12 | Tekkub | LDB plugins and whatever display you want! |
| 04:12.06 | cbreak | dominos |
| 04:12.13 | cbreak | it's not very customizable |
| 04:12.15 | cbreak | but does what I want |
| 04:12.24 | Amarande | oh, good grief |
| 04:12.33 | Amarande | I can't believe someone just died during the quest to kill the dark rider to get the DK mount |
| 04:12.38 | Tekkub | shut up Charlie Brown |
| 04:12.44 | Tekkub | lol |
| 04:12.47 | Amarande | how did some of these people manage to get a level 55 to even be able to make a freaking DK? :| |
| 04:12.50 | Tekkub | that IS pathetic |
| 04:13.01 | cbreak | I died on it too in beta... |
| 04:13.08 | Amarande | the only times I've died are when I've aggroed too many mobs or aggroed an elite |
| 04:13.18 | Tekkub | first sign you shouldn't play a DK: you die in the starter zone |
| 04:13.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i know someone who died on the very first fight your DK gets into, the "kill the prisoner" quest. |
| 04:13.37 | Amarande | too many mobs = usually because of a respawn behind me |
| 04:13.45 | Tekkub | dude! you can auto attack and win that |
| 04:13.54 | Amarande | I almost died on that one, Night |
| 04:14.21 | Amarande | but then, I don't play melee much, and the only melee I'm really used to playing is a prot pally |
| 04:14.32 | Amarande | and prot pallies are much, much hardier than DKs :) |
| 04:14.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: i think he forgot to equip his weapon.. |
| 04:14.54 | Tekkub | lol |
| 04:15.01 | ZorbaTHut | I managed to die in the newbie zone once, when the elite guarding the horses jumped me |
| 04:15.11 | ZorbaTHut | it turns out he's surprisingly tough |
| 04:15.21 | Tekkub | the elite horse guys is an exception, yea |
| 04:15.30 | Tekkub | but you do have gallop to get away |
| 04:15.49 | ZorbaTHut | I accidentally run into him after the quest was done, and I obviously couldn't mount once he was attacking :D |
| 04:15.50 | Tekkub | *guy |
| 04:15.51 | NightHawkTheSane | well, if you stupidly pull him when you're not on a horse, because you think he's just another mob.. no.. you don't :p |
| 04:16.31 | Tekkub | when you stupidly anything, that falls under "sign you shouldn't paly a DK" :P |
| 04:17.02 | kd3 | rofl... the thane of voldrune is still broken |
| 04:17.07 | kd3 | I'm on my bear on the dragon |
| 04:17.31 | Tekkub | pics or it didn't happen! |
| 04:18.07 | kd3 | sec |
| 04:18.26 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: is that the one in grizzly? i've done that.. |
| 04:18.48 | kd3 | ya |
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| 04:19.44 | kd3 | tekkub; http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2049/bearbugcs5.jpg |
| 04:19.59 | Tekkub | kickass! |
| 04:20.05 | NightHawkTheSane | nice touch with the murloc suit :) |
| 04:21.05 | ZorbaTHut | kd3, that's awesome |
| 04:22.44 | Amarande | lol, I fail, I was about to run back to Acherus the long way instead of using the conveniently provided portal |
| 04:23.03 | Tekkub | sign #2 you should not play a DK |
| 04:23.34 | Amarande | I guess I didn't read the quest text on that one because I figured, blah blah, ok, take it back to Darion back at the hold, yadda yadda, easy enough |
| 04:23.45 | Amarande | I have a tendency to not read quest text for fedexes :P |
| 04:27.01 | Tekkub | anyone got the CE and a scanner? |
| 04:28.44 | Amarande | looks like Quel'dorei's level 80 realm firsts are rolling in tonight |
| 04:29.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: why? |
| 04:29.16 | Tekkub | need soundtrack cover art! |
| 04:30.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i see. |
| 04:34.15 | Anaral | ~PapaTango |
| 04:34.30 | Anaral | ~seen PapaTango |
| 04:34.34 | purl | Anaral: i haven't seen 'papatango' |
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| 04:37.08 | Hirsute | Anaral: He's hiding very well. |
| 04:37.18 | Anaral | Apparently |
| 04:38.11 | Hirsute | grumble grumble framexml errors that aren't initially framexml errors. |
| 04:39.00 | batrick | So I recently found this Rome tv series. It's pretty awesome FEI :) |
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| 04:48.16 | NightHawkTheSane | *blink* |
| 04:49.15 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, this is crazy. On the actually-flyable platform of the Krasus' Landing subzone, IsFlyableArea() returns '1'. In tiny hallway/stairs between that platform and the rest of dalaran, it returns "nil". In the rest of dalaran it returns "1" |
| 04:49.22 | Tekkub | hrm... so according to TomTom, it's ~12 miles from SW to Fjord |
| 04:49.26 | Tekkub | Azy's so small |
| 04:51.12 | Tekkub | wait, that's SW to BOREAN... even smaller |
| 04:51.50 | kd3 | bah. kinda sad that nothing special happened when I hit 420 herbalism |
| 04:52.05 | Tekkub | *cough* |
| 04:52.15 | Tem | I'm sad nothing special happened before LK |
| 04:52.35 | Tekkub | I'm sad nothing special is happening in my pants |
| 04:52.36 | Tem | oh noes frostwyrms flying out of reach every 20 minutes for a couple days |
| 04:52.42 | bleeter | did I read some bug report earlier correctly, realm first achievements don't take racial bonuses into account? |
| 04:52.57 | kd3 | o_O |
| 04:52.59 | Tem | bleeter, that sounds like a hillarious bug |
| 04:53.02 | kd3 | oh wow, what a fail |
| 04:53.18 | bleeter | some gnome bitching that while he was waiting for talk to a GM about why he hadn't got the achievement for engi |
| 04:53.24 | bleeter | the ding for someone else came up |
| 04:53.42 | NightHawkTheSane | what do you mean by don't take racial bonus into account? |
| 04:54.03 | NightHawkTheSane | as in a gnome with 435(+15) engineering wouldn't get the achievement? |
| 04:54.19 | Tem | probably WOULD get the achievement |
| 04:54.31 | Tem | and that's undesirable |
| 04:54.37 | Tem | oh |
| 04:54.40 | Tem | then they did it right |
| 04:55.04 | NightHawkTheSane | given what bleeter just said, then its what i described, in which case i agree, working as intended. |
| 04:56.16 | bleeter | the 'amusing' thing about the post was the 3+ hour wait this guy had for the GM, allegedly decided not to do any more crafting in case it'd mess up any retrospective foo etc. |
| 04:56.23 | bleeter | of course, if he kept crafting.... :/ |
| 04:56.38 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: i call that poetic justice. :) |
| 04:57.13 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: nah, it's called irony :P |
| 04:57.28 | NightHawkTheSane | who says they can't be the same? :) |
| 04:59.11 | Amarande | bleeter: nah, that's called fail :P |
| 04:59.31 | Amarande | epic fail, really |
| 05:02.20 | mikma | god damn |
| 05:02.33 | mikma | server always bugs with Battle for Undercity |
| 05:02.54 | kd3 | how's it bugging out? |
| 05:03.02 | mikma | it's not starting sometimes |
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| 05:03.11 | kd3 | is someone talking to bolvar? |
| 05:03.16 | mikma | yes |
| 05:03.22 | mikma | he's just standing there doing nothing |
| 05:03.30 | mikma | and the boss at the end lies dead. |
| 05:05.05 | Kraps | how much authority does tankspot have regarding tanking? |
| 05:05.33 | Kraps | are they like the end-all of tank info? |
| 05:06.45 | Amarande | ok, am I doing something wrong here |
| 05:06.53 | Amarande | I can't seem to figure out just what, though |
| 05:06.56 | Amarande | [55] The Light of Dawn |
| 05:07.13 | Amarande | I went to Light's Hope, there's nothing to do there, Mograine has a grey ? over his head and talking to him doesn't produce anything useful |
| 05:07.13 | kd3 | as soon as you're on the quest, go chill out at light's hope |
| 05:07.31 | kd3 | then you missed the event, go back to the mill |
| 05:12.18 | Tekkub | so they never fixed that? *sigh* |
| 05:12.33 | Tekkub | it really ruins it when you do the whole zone and then hit the ending event after it's started |
| 05:13.08 | Tekkub | how about block the tunnel and have guys "digging" when the event is in progress so you can't get to it |
| 05:14.11 | Tekkub | open it when the event resets... then collapse the tunnel when it starts |
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| 05:18.42 | bleeter | hmm, 25th november cleared everything in total? someone told me they skipped some heroics |
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| 05:22.33 | bleeter | mikma: I heard it was more buggy with allies than horde, but that was from reading 3rd hand posts |
| 05:23.00 | bleeter | some ally folks waiting two hours or so for it to start up, horde 20 mins |
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| 05:24.21 | bleeter | I love new content, so far I've convinced folks that Anton is in Barrens having a fling with Mankrik wife's body, and that there are no inns in Northrend you need to do a quest in Azeroth to buy a tent |
| 05:24.53 | Tekkub | now that's a great idea |
| 05:25.02 | bleeter | tents? |
| 05:25.03 | Tekkub | a tent that you can pitch and get rest in |
| 05:25.05 | bleeter | I thought so |
| 05:25.23 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.26 | bleeter | no vendor, no hearth... just something for Wintergrasp to add to the feel |
| 05:25.28 | bleeter | yup |
| 05:26.31 | bleeter | combination of a tailor recipe and a leatherworking recipe, need both parts combined to make the tent. |
| 05:26.43 | bleeter | 'coz a cloth tent sounds bad, and a leather tent sounds bad too |
| 05:26.46 | bleeter | somewhere in between |
| 05:27.24 | bleeter | Tekkub: at your poking, I'ma gunna post a Suggestion |
| 05:27.55 | ZorbaTHut | blacksmith recipe |
| 05:27.58 | ZorbaTHut | WE FORGE OUR TENT FROM STEEL |
| 05:28.31 | ZorbaTHut | it's so large and heavy that it takes a backpack slot. |
| 05:28.51 | Tekkub | it's OBVIOUSLY a engy recipe... |
| 05:28.59 | Tekkub | with parts from BS< cloth and leather |
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| 05:29.40 | Tekkub | and a JC for the zipper... and an alchemist for weatherproofing |
| 05:29.59 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_111708_072859.jpg |
| 05:30.23 | mikma | i was amazed... |
| 05:30.35 | Anaral | An inscriptionist for the guarentee of rest. |
| 05:30.37 | bleeter | Tekkub: oooh |
| 05:30.45 | bleeter | yes, this is getting better :) |
| 05:30.52 | Tekkub | mikma, a giant anus with a porthole on it? |
| 05:31.17 | bleeter | haha |
| 05:33.24 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: BS for the portable gas fired bbq ;) |
| 05:34.00 | Tekkub | enchanter for the "glow" inside |
| 05:34.38 | Tekkub | Scroll of Enchant Tent - Nightlight |
| 05:35.02 | bleeter | extension of merely /camp for a single person... |
| 05:35.20 | bleeter | requires far more crafting, but a legendary 25 man party tent with DJ and disco balls etc. |
| 05:37.36 | End | ding! |
| 05:37.41 | End | dong |
| 05:37.55 | bleeter | which old witch? |
| 05:38.04 | Amarande | "Spat on. Nobody likes you." |
| 05:41.26 | DrEvazan | Amarande: I don't like you either... you better watch yourself. |
| 05:41.35 | Nechckn_AFK | Oh no... it's the Doctor! |
| 05:42.17 | DrEvazan | Nechckn_AFK: We're wanted men. I have the death sentence on twelve systems. |
| 05:42.40 | Nechckn_AFK | So I have heard.... =) |
| 05:44.11 | bleeter | Tekkub, Anaral, ZorbaTHut: I hope you don't mind, but I reposted your comments (edited the names though, for your own protection) http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12661342689&sid=1 |
| 05:44.28 | Tekkub | I MIND |
| 05:44.29 | Anaral | I don't mind at all |
| 05:44.36 | ZorbaTHut | hahah. awesome :D |
| 05:44.58 | bleeter | Tekkub: SUFFER |
| 05:45.25 | ZorbaTHut | a party tent, eh |
| 05:45.35 | ZorbaTHut | lfm for party tent, must be female ne |
| 05:45.48 | bleeter | nekkid fem ne doh |
| 05:45.50 | Tekkub | I can make a part tent with my pants |
| 05:45.57 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, that's what the x-ray specs are for |
| 05:46.02 | Tekkub | *party, gah |
| 05:46.53 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_111708_074519.jpg |
| 05:46.56 | mikma | funny stuff |
| 05:47.39 | Tekkub | mikma, you do more to the battlemap there? |
| 05:47.51 | mikma | tekkub: that's Mapster |
| 05:47.54 | Tekkub | oh |
| 05:48.09 | ZorbaTHut | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12666202761&sid=1 hahahah I love the first reply |
| 05:48.23 | Amarande | any idea what the Haute Club Membership Card is for? |
| 05:51.13 | Tekkub | it used to have a tarot card in it |
| 05:51.24 | Tekkub | it should be grey now, but someone fucked that up |
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| 06:03.02 | smcn | first 80 dk on dragonblight, alliance of course |
| 06:03.02 | Amarande | hmm |
| 06:03.07 | Amarande | now that I'm out of the DK newbie zone |
| 06:03.10 | Amarande | it's time to go to ... newbie zones! |
| 06:03.35 | cog|away | yeah... grinding dk professions sux |
| 06:04.04 | Amarande | yeah, I decided to take herbs along with inscription |
| 06:04.11 | cog|away | same |
| 06:04.16 | Amarande | since I already have all the crafting professions but LW represented on other characters |
| 06:04.24 | cog|away | after 3.5 hours of grinding, i'm at ~115 in each |
| 06:04.35 | Amarande | and already have a miner and an herbs, but skinning is destined to be used on my future rogue instead |
| 06:04.50 | cog|away | i usually can't stand anything past ~1/2 hour of grinding |
| 06:05.06 | cog|away | dk's gonna drive me to drinkin' |
| 06:05.26 | Amarande | ah well. for the homestretch of Azerothian herbs, I'm planning to quest some in the plaguelands and silithus anyway |
| 06:05.41 | Amarande | I don't like to go to Outland till at least 60 |
| 06:06.00 | cog|away | dk is awesome in hfp at 58 |
| 06:06.09 | cog|away | compared to the other classes i've leveled |
| 06:06.29 | cog|away | of course, my rogue had an average of level 48 gear when i was 58 >< |
| 06:07.24 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: that assumes you weren't already drinking. :p |
| 06:08.51 | ZorbaTHut | cog, largely that's because you have a full set of outland blues ;) |
| 06:09.05 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 06:09.06 | cogwheel | >.> |
| 06:09.10 | cogwheel | ZorbaTHut: lol |
| 06:09.21 | cogwheel | my best gear on cogwheel was sergeant's cloak |
| 06:09.32 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: not just that, but optimally itemized ones at that |
| 06:09.36 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, yeah |
| 06:09.40 | cogwheel | a few pieces of grand marshal's and the rest was green |
| 06:09.54 | ZorbaTHut | I've managed to take down a few death knights in pvp on my 60 druid, but it ain't easy |
| 06:10.00 | ZorbaTHut | they hit hard and they do not go down fast |
| 06:11.49 | bleeter | I hear new players, non-DK folks, entering Hellfire on PvP servers are having... difficulties even trying to compete. An unfortunate side effect :/ |
| 06:12.31 | Amarande | lemme guess ... lots of competition for herbs on your server? |
| 06:12.40 | cogwheel | i've apologized in /1 in zones where i was farming herbs :( |
| 06:12.41 | Amarande | tirisfal on Quel'dorei seems to be rather easy |
| 06:12.47 | bleeter | Oceanic realm... lots of competition for everything |
| 06:13.19 | cogwheel | they really should've given us +275 on our first gathering profession |
| 06:13.20 | bleeter | I liked the free transfer announcement 'select oceanic realms'.. I was 'wtf bornakk, that list is ALL Oceanic realms, trying to not admit to something players already knew?' |
| 06:14.17 | bleeter | cogwheel: dunno, DK's already have a main to assist... tough call. i understand the problem at launch, but longer term... hmm. |
| 06:14.49 | cogwheel | bleeter: crafting professions are fine. but gathering requires hours of grinding |
| 06:14.56 | cogwheel | and i HATE HATE HATE HATE grinding |
| 06:15.11 | Tekkub | grinding nasties too? |
| 06:15.40 | bleeter | cogwheel: then level your first on a realm as a dual gatherer, and your DK as the crafter! :P |
| 06:16.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn, End: update pending approval for StableBoy. I even added toggles for each of the subzone tweaks! :p |
| 06:16.08 | Tekkub | dual gathering is nice unless you outpace the gathering levels |
| 06:16.16 | cogwheel | that wolud involve grinding on my main/mains to give my dk mats though |
| 06:16.20 | Syzgyn | :O |
| 06:16.29 | cogwheel | with normal profession leveling I get mats as i level |
| 06:16.30 | Syzgyn | <3 |
| 06:16.37 | Tekkub | once you hit cap and get money from other sources, switch to dual production... unless you love farming |
| 06:16.55 | Tekkub | then dual-gather and just sell the mats |
| 06:16.57 | bleeter | sounds more like an issue of the 5P's |
| 06:17.00 | Tekkub | herbs sell wonderfully now |
| 06:17.13 | bleeter | 'Prior Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance' |
| 06:17.20 | Tekkub | that's 6 |
| 06:17.25 | Tekkub | you didn't plan that did you? |
| 06:17.40 | cogwheel | bleeter: how could i have planned for WotLK 4 years ago? |
| 06:17.41 | bleeter | depends how you count the hyphenated word |
| 06:17.48 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: precognition. |
| 06:17.52 | Tekkub | two caps == two P's |
| 06:17.55 | bleeter | cogwheel: you mean to say you're not a genius?? |
| 06:18.01 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: that would've pinged me a few months ago :P |
| 06:18.19 | bleeter | Tekkub: I FAIL, OK... I GET IT |
| 06:18.22 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: see! you've got a few months down, now just work on a few years. ;) |
| 06:18.42 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: (ignoring, of course, the fact that i pinged you explicitly in the same message anyway :p) |
| 06:18.54 | bleeter | cogwheel: there's always the alternative.... |
| 06:18.56 | bleeter | blame cide |
| 06:19.04 | Tekkub | I love how the price of Goldclover is falling down below 2g now, and will probably stabalize there... yet the average price for NR herbs keeps going up |
| 06:19.47 | cogwheel | ~blame cide |
| 06:19.48 | purl | ACTION blames cide (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 06:20.22 | ZorbaTHut | the problem with this new weapon I got is that the idle animation involves me jabbing it repeatedly into my leg |
| 06:23.54 | Corrodias | masochist, eh |
| 06:23.55 | Corrodias | i like that |
| 06:24.31 | cogwheel | ZorbaTHut: try being a gnome with a polearm |
| 06:26.33 | ZorbaTHut | fuck polearms, TG and 2x 2h maces or axes |
| 06:26.39 | ZorbaTHut | your weapons take up more volume than your torso |
| 06:26.51 | Tekkub | I bet you could make a pants party tent with that gnome polearm |
| 06:27.58 | Amarande | I guess I have an easier time gathering than you guys though |
| 06:28.05 | Amarande | Quel'dorei is usually down to Medium by the late night |
| 06:29.10 | mikma | god damn, The Oracles turned into hostiles :I |
| 06:29.17 | mikma | any way of getting that reputation back? |
| 06:29.56 | Amarande | mikma: which faction? |
| 06:30.01 | mikma | The Oracles |
| 06:34.10 | cogwheel | first-person as a gnome is depressing :( |
| 06:35.14 | Tekkub | you don't like seeing EVERYONE at crotch level? |
| 06:35.38 | cogwheel | i can't even see over grass... |
| 06:37.10 | cogwheel | ps disco never died... |
| 06:50.48 | Thunder_Child | ~cackle |
| 06:50.49 | purl | ACTION cackles |
| 06:52.01 | Amarande | by the way, if they ever make transfers-only realms again |
| 06:52.10 | Amarande | are such realms considered ineligible for realm-first-80 and realm-first-450? |
| 06:53.00 | mikma | god damn why did they even have to put those shitty achievements in |
| 06:59.37 | Tekkub | I thought they took them out cause they encouraged addicitve behaviour |
| 07:02.39 | Thunder_Child | thats like baning pornos because it encourages sex... |
| 07:03.42 | ZorbaTHut | anyone know an API function to determine if the player is swimming? also, same question, but to determine if the player is falling? |
| 07:03.59 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, they're in, people have been getting them. they don't actually give you achievement points, they're just feats of strength |
| 07:04.51 | MentalPower|Road | Thunder_Child: but, they do :P |
| 07:05.08 | Amarande | Tekkub: they took out titles associated with them |
| 07:05.12 | Amarande | but left in the achievements as FoS |
| 07:05.16 | MentalPower|ZZzz | night folks |
| 07:07.00 | Thunder_Child | LIES MentalPower|ZZzz! |
| 07:07.12 | Amarande | probably wise that they removed the titles |
| 07:08.17 | MentalPower|ZZzz | Thunder_Child: tell that to my partner :) |
| 07:08.56 | Thunder_Child | MentalPower|ZZzz, so you are saying your partner would not have as much sex if not for pornos? |
| 07:09.49 | MentalPower|ZZzz | well, not necessarily that, but the reverse is true, pronos pit him in the mood :) |
| 07:09.55 | MentalPower|ZZzz | put* |
| 07:10.10 | MentalPower|ZZzz | pornos* |
| 07:10.35 | Thunder_Child | kinda....he would have to be in a mood just to put in on in the first place.....unless he really likes the acting? |
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| 07:13.50 | MentalPower|ZZzz | yeah, gotta be the acting... |
| 07:13.58 | Thunder_Child | my point |
| 07:14.13 | Thunder_Child | some intrest to even put it on |
| 07:14.19 | MentalPower|ZZzz | true |
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| 07:30.07 | WobWork | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/bri_chan/misc/DeppMadHatter.jpg |
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| 07:33.55 | ZorbaTHut | is there some standard format for comments in .tocs? can I use a single # or something? |
| 07:38.11 | Amarande | well, one useful thing to do while grinding these gathering profs |
| 07:38.19 | Amarande | I can combine it with the exploration achievements |
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| 07:56.04 | AbsoRayne | Ding 80! \o/ |
| 07:57.27 | Thunder_Child | ~lart AbsoRayne |
| 07:57.27 | purl | tries to shut AbsoRayne up |
| 07:59.59 | AbsoRayne | Thunder_Child: :< |
| 08:04.54 | Thunder_Child | Abso...lutely |
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| 08:08.33 | Amarande | hrm |
| 08:08.50 | Amarande | did most of the fubar addon maintainers stop uploading to wowinterface? |
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| 08:15.56 | Tekkub | I bet they moved to LDB ^^ |
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| 08:23.02 | Amarande | LDB? |
| 08:33.33 | Elkano | Amarande, I didn't stop... I've only been to lazy to update ^^' |
| 08:33.40 | Elkano | ~ldb |
| 08:33.41 | purl | well, ldb is a WoW Library - A central registry for addons looking for something to display their data. http://github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/tree/master |
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| 08:52.21 | WobWork | hm, interestingly enough, I'm outdamaging DKs of 2+ levels =\ |
| 08:53.23 | WobWork | and this is without D&D |
| 08:56.25 | Tekkub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcQ7RkyBoBc |
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| 10:23.55 | Nom- | server queues suck :( |
| 10:31.43 | Shirik | not having server queues wins :) |
| 10:34.21 | Nom- | lol |
| 10:34.27 | Nom- | quad core multi-threaded CPUs are out |
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| 10:36.42 | Nom- | I was wondering if/when they'd do something like that |
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| 10:48.36 | frop | Arrowmaster THANK YOU |
| 10:48.51 | frop | ...for ItemPrice-1.1 :) |
| 10:49.12 | Arrowmaster | its not got everything |
| 10:49.22 | Arrowmaster | but it should have most quest rewards hopefully |
| 10:49.47 | frop | yep, i'm in Grizzly Hills...and so far, VendorBait is working |
| 10:50.32 | frop | bbl |
| 11:02.32 | bleeter | how would one go about changing the colour of the quest giver's ! and ?, as well as nameplates. Friend of mine wont stop bitching about his colourblindness and how he can't tell between normal and daily quests, and enemy and friend players |
| 11:03.46 | bleeter | I told him to disable friendly player nameplates, but he says it doesn't help much as red's pretty much screwed to him |
| 11:04.46 | bleeter | Nom-: I thought Sun had been doing them for a while, obviously I was mistaken |
| 11:06.24 | bleeter | oh, niagra's barrel... WHERE ARE YOU ROCK?? |
| 11:11.00 | cbreak|sleep | bleeter: you can't influence the 3D world that way. |
| 11:11.16 | clad|sleep | if you replace the art assets you can |
| 11:11.18 | cbreak|sleep | I think there was an addon that changed the over-target-health-bars in various ways though |
| 11:11.23 | clad|sleep | but thats a grey area |
| 11:11.28 | clad|sleep | the namplates can be altered |
| 11:11.30 | cbreak|sleep | you mean hacking the data files? |
| 11:12.06 | cbreak|sleep | the nameplates are just text rendered by WoW, I doubt you can influence that |
| 11:12.12 | clad|sleep | ... you can |
| 11:12.16 | cbreak|sleep | how? |
| 11:12.17 | clad|sleep | they're frames and can be accessed |
| 11:12.20 | clad|sleep | there are tons of nameplate addons |
| 11:12.21 | cbreak|sleep | no |
| 11:12.27 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 11:12.27 | cladhaire | Or are you talking the NAMES |
| 11:12.31 | cladhaire | which are not the same as the NAMEPLATES |
| 11:12.36 | cladhaire | in which case you are correct |
| 11:12.43 | cladhaire | however, you can alter the art assets for the ? and ! |
| 11:12.45 | cbreak|sleep | the health bar things are frames |
| 11:12.54 | cladhaire | ... yes.. and those are called nameplates. |
| 11:12.58 | cbreak|sleep | the names are not |
| 11:13.03 | cladhaire | Yes, I am aware |
| 11:13.14 | cladhaire | those are not nameplates, however. |
| 11:13.54 | cbreak|sleep | the art assets or ? and ! would be 3D models I think |
| 11:14.00 | cladhaire | yes? |
| 11:14.05 | cbreak|sleep | so it might trip off warden |
| 11:14.17 | cladhaire | I didn't say it wasn't against some agreement |
| 11:14.21 | leethal | is it possible to embed videos (youtube, whatever) on curse/curseforge project descriptions? |
| 11:14.36 | leethal | all the formatting modes seems to be escaping those embed tags |
| 11:19.11 | Shirik | I think my professor has lost his mind |
| 11:19.45 | Shirik | I'm reading his notes, copying down things, etc on this huge section for determining values for this model. At the very end it basically says "So as we can see, the value is infinity and the rest of the work is useless" |
| 11:24.37 | Nom- | bleeter: I mean Intel is doing them for home desktops now |
| 11:26.34 | Arrowmaster | quad core with hyperthreading |
| 11:26.46 | Arrowmaster | where the hell have you been, the rest of the world knew they were coming |
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| 11:46.55 | pompy | any mods been updated yet with vendor prices of items in northrend? |
| 11:48.03 | Antiarc | http://i37.tinypic.com/oidv7s.jpg |
| 11:48.04 | Antiarc | :D :D :D |
| 11:49.10 | Arrowmaster | pompy: ItemPrice-1.1 |
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| 12:08.10 | pompy | arrowmaster: yay, will have to check it out |
| 12:08.28 | pompy | some mod i was currently using was defaulting to prices to like 3g65s or so |
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| 12:49.37 | Gnarfoz | anyone on the auctioneer dev team: is the libextratip conversion mostly done? not started? what state is it in? ^^ EnhToolTip is eating my fps :< |
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| 13:34.34 | Anaral | Gnarfoz: Ironically, it's not ETT it's LibExtraTip. But there is a fix on the way. |
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| 14:08.11 | Gnarfoz | Anaral: huh? the last release version didn't even include LibExtraTip, how can it be eating my fps, when even the auc homepage says enhtooltip is bad? :D |
| 14:09.18 | Anaral | ETT is bad... and oh, thought you were using the beta, which has LET |
| 14:09.56 | Anaral | And actually our release version shows that we're using LET, so um, update... |
| 14:10.00 | pompy | arrowmaster: gj on itemprice-1.1 ! |
| 14:12.32 | Gnarfoz | Anaral: 3715 doesn't have LET unless I'm blind |
| 14:13.08 | Gnarfoz | it has "can't turn it off permanently" nsb though :D |
| 14:13.55 | Gnarfoz | but, you were saying LET has issues right now in the beta version? I was tempted to update regardless of the 'please beware the beta until the conversion is done' warning ^^ |
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| 14:15.24 | Anaral | I apologize. The site said that LET was packaged, but I hadn't actually checked the release version. |
| 14:17.22 | Anaral | Well I can definitely say that the beta has LET, and may be better than the current ETT |
| 14:17.59 | Gnarfoz | I should probably give it a try, then. and ditch cowtip :O major performance hogs for me right now |
| 14:18.27 | Anaral | Heh |
| 14:18.29 | Gnarfoz | I basically leveled from 70 to 80 with CPU profiling on and had EnhToolTip at 30% overall cpu usage and cowtip at 15-20%... :O |
| 14:18.39 | Anaral | Yuck |
| 14:18.46 | Gnarfoz | insane, right? :\ |
| 14:19.02 | Anaral | Well I got to get me move on. Hope the beta is better for you. |
| 14:19.11 | Gnarfoz | =) |
| 14:21.10 | AbsoRayne | Damn forums, update my Avatar :( |
| 14:21.21 | Gnarfoz | select another char and switch back |
| 14:21.24 | Gnarfoz | will update |
| 14:22.39 | AbsoRayne | Been doing that, no luck |
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| 14:25.23 | Gnarfoz | does anyone have any details on why or how ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter is broken/has changed? |
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| 14:35.05 | leethal | are there any write-ups on how to CPU-profile your addon? |
| 14:40.44 | |pez| | Aww, only one DK on each realm. :\ |
| 14:41.30 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 14:42.30 | |pez| | Ohwell. I've got my talbuk, so I'm all good! XD |
| 14:44.02 | |pez| | And I hereby declare Glimmer Bay, as buggy. |
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| 14:46.22 | cbreak | WoW CPU profiling as I have seen it so far is not very helpful |
| 14:46.31 | cbreak | it only gives a breakdown on addon granularity |
| 14:46.51 | cbreak | but doesn't tell you the hotspots or the places where most time is spent inside the addon |
| 14:46.59 | cbreak | (at least not with PerformanceFu) |
| 14:48.23 | Kraps | someone with pvp reward gear is complaining that thanking Utgarde was too easy |
| 14:48.35 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.51 | Kraps | *tanking |
| 14:49.28 | cbreak | I am disapointed with blizzard. |
| 14:49.42 | cbreak | I was unable to tank UK in t5/t6 :( |
| 14:49.53 | cbreak | give mages more mitigation! |
| 14:49.53 | Kraps | LIES! |
| 14:50.02 | Kraps | oh lol |
| 14:51.01 | Kraps | you're frost or arcane? |
| 14:51.08 | cbreak | frost |
| 14:51.13 | |pez| | Health doesn't regenerate when I'm... in the water? (doing nothing) |
| 14:51.14 | WobWork | cause arcane totally can =) |
| 14:51.22 | WobWork | |pez|: yes |
| 14:52.02 | |pez| | That's silly, I hate having to go back on land when doing in-water quests. |
| 14:52.17 | WobWork | elixir of water walking ftw |
| 14:52.20 | WobWork | or water walking spell |
| 14:52.32 | |pez| | I want that. |
| 14:52.49 | Kraps | never saw that |
| 14:52.57 | Kraps | Health doesn't regenerate? |
| 14:53.08 | cbreak | I got lots of water walking elixirs from the shat fishing daily guy |
| 14:53.12 | Lopeppeppy | Health and mana should both regen. You can't drink or eat, but you should regen. |
| 14:53.49 | |pez| | Lopeppeppy: it didn't seem to do that at all for me. |
| 14:54.33 | WobWork | I've never noticed it unless I was in waterform |
| 14:55.18 | Lopeppeppy | I tread water waiting for health/mana all the time.. or at least before this patch I did. Haven't had occasion to do that lately. |
| 14:55.47 | |pez| | And, when my pet glitches in this Glimmer Bay, and gets stuck, it makes life harder. |
| 14:55.58 | Kraps | i keep telling myself i'm not going to read the forums, but they're like a car crash, you cant look away |
| 14:57.54 | Lopeppeppy | You should get therapy for that, Kraps. |
| 14:58.04 | Kraps | yeah :( |
| 14:58.28 | Kraps | i gtg |
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| 15:43.13 | kneeki | Is there some way of doing like: frame:show(false) ? instead of an if-then-else to show/hide a frame? |
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| 15:48.48 | Slakah | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.14 | kneeki | hmm |
| 15:49.37 | kneeki | Think I should just stick with an if-then? |
| 15:49.46 | Slakah | yup |
| 15:49.53 | kneeki | k ;() |
| 15:49.56 | kneeki | ;) |
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| 16:16.12 | Gnarfoz | does anyone have any details on why or how ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter is broken/has changed? |
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| 16:28.39 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/brown-brown-brown-brown-brown.jpg |
| 16:30.18 | Josh_Borke | Gnarfoz: did you disable all addons/ |
| 16:30.55 | Gnarfoz | Josh_Borke: no, why would I? I certainly hope no one would be insane enough to modify that :\ |
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| 16:32.42 | Josh_Borke | insanity and stupidity are 2 VERY different things |
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| 16:37.33 | cog|sleep | what's a good mage spec for low downtime while leveling? |
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| 16:39.08 | AbsoRayne_ | bah |
| 16:39.13 | AbsoRayne_ | damn power outages |
| 16:39.23 | cogwheel | lern2ups? |
| 16:39.25 | cogwheel | :P |
| 16:39.40 | Adys | Is there an addon that would give some kind of easier management specifically in the buying/selling AH interface? and that does *just* that |
| 16:39.53 | Adys | eg, shift-select to select multiple items to buy/bid/cancel |
| 16:40.01 | cogwheel | igor's mass auction? |
| 16:40.06 | Adys | nop |
| 16:40.24 | Adys | that one just adds some weird multi auction UI |
| 16:40.33 | mikma | cairenn: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1086582/Miracle-puppy-hit-car-70mph-hard-embedded-grill--survived.html |
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| 16:43.27 | Adys | Im not even sure most of it is possible |
| 16:43.36 | Adys | i recall many of the AH functions being protected |
| 16:43.44 | cogwheel | ah i see what you mean |
| 16:43.50 | cogwheel | yeah, one hardware event per auction |
| 16:44.10 | Adys | cancelling 150 auctions is a pain |
| 16:44.23 | Adys | *click*move*accept*moveback*click*move... |
| 16:44.49 | cogwheel | i could be wrong though |
| 16:45.04 | Wikwocket | Auctionator is nice for posting auctions |
| 16:45.19 | Adys | I use that |
| 16:45.29 | Adys | but cancelling and buying auctions is still untouched |
| 16:45.34 | Wikwocket | Indeed |
| 16:45.39 | Wikwocket | I miss KC_Items myself :) |
| 16:46.56 | Gnarfoz | Josh_Borke: true |
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| 16:58.51 | Industrial | Cairenn: latest QC = lol |
| 17:00.56 | zenzelezz | QC? |
| 17:01.06 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Questionable Content |
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| 17:01.24 | zenzelezz | hai peppy |
| 17:01.32 | Industrial | zenzelezz: http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/1275.png |
| 17:01.43 | |Jelly| | ~hug Peppy |
| 17:01.44 | purl | ACTION hugs Peppy tightly until Peppy turns slightly blue |
| 17:02.28 | Lopeppeppy | Whee! Good morning, zenzelezz! Morning, Jelly! |
| 17:04.07 | AbsoRayne_ | So like |
| 17:04.10 | AbsoRayne_ | Armory shows me @ 80 |
| 17:04.17 | AbsoRayne_ | But like a bunch of my gear isnt reading |
| 17:04.19 | AbsoRayne_ | O_o |
| 17:04.37 | Lopeppeppy | 80 already. *laugh* Bet you didnt have time to enjoy it! |
| 17:04.44 | AbsoRayne_ | I did |
| 17:04.47 | AbsoRayne_ | I leveled as Prot |
| 17:04.48 | AbsoRayne_ | :P |
| 17:04.52 | Industrial | heh |
| 17:05.09 | AbsoRayne_ | Also found out that instance grinding = Terrible |
| 17:05.23 | |Jelly| | I don't mind it |
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| 17:05.31 | |Jelly| | I like the instances that I've done thus far. |
| 17:05.40 | |Jelly| | New Kingdom is kinda :| towards the end though |
| 17:05.46 | Wikwocket | The Nexus is awesome |
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| 17:06.19 | |Jelly| | Couldn't agree more. |
| 17:06.55 | AbsoRayne_ | My favorite so far has been Halls of Lightning, and probably CoT Strat. |
| 17:07.39 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: I'm 80 already, too, and it was a blast. I hope you were being sarcastic. :p |
| 17:07.51 | AbsoRayne_ | you know what I noticed |
| 17:08.04 | AbsoRayne_ | alot of the gear thats not showing on Armory is quest gear / my crafted shield |
| 17:08.05 | AbsoRayne_ | O_o |
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| 17:10.29 | AbsoRayne_ | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&n=Absolutrayne point in case |
| 17:14.35 | zenzelezz | there goes Dalaran... |
| 17:14.57 | zenzelezz | or more. World server is down! |
| 17:16.49 | zenzelezz | http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20081113 |
| 17:17.10 | Gnarfoz | AbsoRayne_: obviously. I don't know why, but the Armory has always been slow to pick up items. You'd think it would make sense to feed it with a full item db, but it's not what they're doing :\ |
| 17:17.11 | zenzelezz | peppy: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/11/17/funny-pictures-roomservice-i-brings-yur-breakfast/ |
| 17:17.35 | foxlit | i hear bagpipes |
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| 17:17.57 | mikma | that reminded me about my old cat |
| 17:18.12 | mikma | he did actually bring alive duck (full grown) home once |
| 17:18.18 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, thank you zenzelezz. I'll make a pot pie and share it. |
| 17:18.23 | mikma | sorry, twice.. |
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| 17:18.52 | mikma | the first one was ok and we let it go loose, but the second was .. almost ready to die so the cat had a feist |
| 17:22.01 | Lopeppeppy | I don't let my cat eat what she catches. Too many businesses and homes use poisons for rodents, and if she ate a poisoned animal she would die. |
| 17:22.07 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Shirik! How was your weekend? |
| 17:22.24 | mikma | lopeppeppy: well back then i lived in the .. err... |
| 17:22.49 | mikma | in the woods :D |
| 17:23.05 | Shirik|Ecole | Please |
| 17:23.09 | Shirik|Ecole | we won't talk about the weekend or this week |
| 17:23.14 | mikma | no idea what's the english word for "a place that's 30km away from town in the woods" ;) |
| 17:23.27 | Shirik|Ecole | mikma: "back country" |
| 17:23.39 | mikma | there we go, thanks shirik|ecole |
| 17:23.56 | Shirik|Ecole | there are other words that are... less than PC |
| 17:24.29 | Shirik|Ecole | wait, so mikma's a redneck? |
| 17:24.52 | mikma | we don't call people like that in finland :) |
| 17:25.16 | mikma | there's 3 kinds of places to live, town, "back country", farm |
| 17:25.52 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, I learned about how rat poison kills pets early on, when I lived in redneck country and the first day of hunting season was a national holiday. :) |
| 17:26.10 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 17:26.19 | Shirik|Ecole | that's one of the phrases I mentioned that was "less than PC" |
| 17:26.42 | Shirik|Ecole | we could call it "McCain Territory" too, but maybe it's no longer applicable |
| 17:27.27 | Industrial | ~seen tekkub |
| 17:27.31 | purl | tekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 8h 18m 58s ago, saying: 'StaticPopupDialogs["HC_CONFIRM_RESET_DATA"].text = "blah" in the onclick'. |
| 17:27.37 | Industrial | asdf |
| 17:27.49 | Shirik|Ecole | ... |
| 17:27.53 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf is that |
| 17:29.28 | Industrial | fucking seriously |
| 17:29.29 | Industrial | that guy |
| 17:29.35 | Industrial | is so lazy. |
| 17:29.44 | Industrial | he has 1000000 addons, and none of them has a screenshot |
| 17:29.53 | Industrial | i have NO idea what half of them do |
| 17:30.02 | Industrial | even if the DO have graphical elements |
| 17:30.03 | Industrial | >:| |
| 17:30.05 | Lopeppeppy | Cook turkey for the holidays. |
| 17:30.13 | Shirik|Ecole | s/cook/burn/ |
| 17:30.45 | Lopeppeppy | Well, yeah, computers aren't good at basting. |
| 17:30.48 | Shirik|Ecole | So I got evaluations back from my professors regarding the project I'm working on |
| 17:31.04 | Lopeppeppy | They all better be good or I'll come kneecap them. |
| 17:31.26 | Shirik|Ecole | well |
| 17:31.28 | Shirik|Ecole | it's interesting |
| 17:31.40 | Shirik|Ecole | "I have rated your effort as excellent, but at the expense of your support of others. You are definitely going above and beyond the call of duty as is seen with EcoCar." |
| 17:31.44 | Shirik|Ecole | "Regarding support, I worry that you are not effectively delegating to your teammates. You seem a bit overworked and I see little things falling to the wayside. As a leader, you can delegate a lot of the work, but it is important that the delegation actually gets done. " |
| 17:32.15 | Shirik|Ecole | so that's good and bad |
| 17:33.08 | Lopeppeppy | Some good constructive feedback to follow up on, not bad overall. |
| 17:33.26 | Shirik|Ecole | and here's the best part |
| 17:33.40 | Shirik|Ecole | "Regarding attitude, you are showing a great attitude of dedication with EcoCar and pushing toward the Report 2B. Putting that aside and focusing upon class, it seems that lately when you are here, the frustrations of EcoCar are creeping into the class. Lets try to keep morale high. " |
| 17:33.46 | Shirik|Ecole | And it's so true, I need to keep that out of class |
| 17:34.01 | Lopeppeppy | Schedule yourself some meditation time between class and car, dear. |
| 17:34.09 | Shirik|Ecole | there is no meditation time, that's the problem |
| 17:34.14 | Shirik|Ecole | this is my meditation time right now |
| 17:34.17 | Shirik|Ecole | and I'm working on a report |
| 17:34.49 | Lopeppeppy | Schedule it, I was being serious! A 10 minute mandatory walk every day, or something to stay sane. |
| 17:35.22 | Nom- | hmm anyone know what typical mana pool size will be for someone fully pre-raid geared ? |
| 17:35.30 | Nom- | healers that is |
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| 17:36.50 | Nom- | 25k mana pool, which i think is doable given what i saw on beta... that's 900 mana per 10 seconds from ret pallies |
| 17:36.53 | Nom- | drool |
| 17:37.20 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Nom-: 25k pre-raid geared? That seems high to me.. I'd have gone with ~15-17k |
| 17:37.36 | NightHawkTheSan1 | but i might be remembering wrong |
| 17:37.47 | NightHawkTheSan1 | I don't ever remember having more than 20k mana on beta, though |
| 17:37.53 | Nom- | I can't remember what gear the healer i'm rembering had :( |
| 17:38.25 | Nom- | It was fairly early in the premade server days though, so aside from running Naxx with a bugged skill, I presume he hasn't got a full set of naxx gear |
| 17:38.27 | Shadowed | You aren't likely getting up to 25k, even with best in slot pre-tbc I'm only up to 15,000, I doubt INT scales enough to give you an additional 10k |
| 17:38.37 | Wikwocket | Anyone know if there is a place to download Cartographer node data, like for mining nodes, like there was for TBC? |
| 17:38.38 | Shadowed | at least right now |
| 17:38.53 | Nom- | Shadowed: I was seeing holy pallies with 20k mana on beta |
| 17:38.57 | Shadowed | errr, pre-bc |
| 17:39.01 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Shadowed: that sounds a lot more like my guestimate.. |
| 17:39.11 | Shadowed | 20k is not 25k :p |
| 17:39.24 | Nom- | no, but 20 => 25k isn't a huge jump depending on what gear he had |
| 17:39.49 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i could maybe see ~20k, outfitted in almost full 25 man stuff |
| 17:39.52 | Nom- | my 10k mana at level 70 has scaled to almost 15k at level 79 with hardly any gear changed |
| 17:39.56 | NightHawkTheSan1 | but again, i'm guessing here |
| 17:40.28 | Nom- | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 17:40.30 | Nom- | it all becomes clear |
| 17:40.45 | Nom- | shadow priest and ret pally now produce the same raid buff |
| 17:40.53 | NightHawkTheSan1 | you didn't realize this? :P |
| 17:41.00 | Nom- | No :( |
| 17:41.01 | NightHawkTheSan1 | so do survival hunters |
| 17:41.10 | Nom- | wow really.... damn |
| 17:41.45 | Nom- | I suppose it makes sense given the move towards multiple classes having the same buffs |
| 17:41.52 | NightHawkTheSan1 | precisely |
| 17:42.20 | NightHawkTheSan1 | plus, given that an individual class only hits.. what 5 or 10 people with replenishment? you'll need ~3ish in a raid to hit enough people with enough uptime to make it worth something |
| 17:42.59 | Nom- | well not the entire raid will need the buff |
| 17:43.40 | NightHawkTheSan1 | not the ENTIRE raid, but easily ~15ish |
| 17:44.01 | Lopeppeppy | Enough to want one for three of the parties, at least. |
| 17:44.26 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Lopeppeppy: well, party doesn't matter. it's a raid-wide thing |
| 17:44.43 | Lopeppeppy | True.. I keep forgetting that, since I'm not raiding anymore. |
| 17:44.51 | Gnarfoz | oh-hoh! |
| 17:44.53 | Gnarfoz | nice going! |
| 17:45.06 | Nom- | Your Judgement spells have a 100% chance to grant the Replenishment effect to up to 10 party or raid members mana regeneration equal to 0.25% of their maximum mana per second, and to immediately grant you 15% of your base mana. |
| 17:45.27 | Gnarfoz | (or what did you want to hear, because it's not like "not raiding" prevents you from keeping up to date with class mechanics :P) |
| 17:46.05 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Nom-: yeah, each class' replenishment hits 10 people for .25% max mana per second. |
| 17:46.06 | Nom- | actually no... i worked out you don't need more than 1 |
| 17:46.17 | NightHawkTheSan1 | in a 25 man? like hell you don't |
| 17:46.44 | Nom- | you are pretty much guaranteed to have at least 5 players who don't have mana pools... assuming they get ignored for the effect, then a ret pally can (in theory) keep the buff up on 20 people |
| 17:47.01 | Nom- | The duration is 15 seconds, and judgement cooldown is 8 seconds when talented |
| 17:47.22 | NightHawkTheSan1 | that assumes that each use wouldn't refresh a buff on someone |
| 17:47.36 | NightHawkTheSan1 | that would ALSO leave 1s downtime for each person |
| 17:47.52 | NightHawkTheSan1 | not to mention if they got a miss/dodge/parry/whatever and it didn't proc. |
| 17:48.07 | Lopeppeppy | Gnarfoz, eat some more wheaties before throwing stones, okay? I work 3 jobs, I haven't the TIME to keep up on mechanics of a class I don't play when I don't raid. |
| 17:48.13 | Nom- | Can't dodge/parry a judgement |
| 17:48.19 | Nom- | It goes on the spell hit table |
| 17:48.21 | NightHawkTheSan1 | resist, whatever :p |
| 17:48.30 | Nom- | pretty much never resists... can only miss |
| 17:48.56 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Nom-: point being, mathematically, possibly, but really, to have full coverage and full uptime on all your mana users you'll need no less than 2 people. 3 being optimal |
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| 17:49.27 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: sorry, must've been reading too much blizz forums lately. sounded majorly "I don't raid anymore, you're all just addicts spending so much time keeping up to date" :O also, what are wheaties :D |
| 17:49.32 | Nom- | well the smart affect that blizz has on aoe heals might get applied here too, possibly... |
| 17:49.36 | NightHawkTheSan1 | (that also assumes your ret pally plays absolutely perfectly, with no lag, and manages to hit judgement every 8s on the dot) |
| 17:49.44 | Nom- | shall have to see |
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| 17:53.09 | Lopeppeppy | Wheaties are good for you breakfast cereal to promote happy good cheer. I'm in this channel too, I'm as much an addict as anyone else! But if you're not a raider, you do tend to gloss over some of the things that don't effect you. |
| 17:55.53 | Industrial | LOLOL |
| 17:56.05 | Industrial | <dysletic defnders> |
| 17:58.26 | Shirik|Ecole | something similar on our realm |
| 17:58.30 | Shirik|Ecole | <Dsylexia> |
| 17:58.51 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm not that amused by it tbh |
| 17:59.06 | foxlit | likely against naming policy, too |
| 18:00.16 | krka | hm, which one? |
| 18:00.25 | Anaral | About as bad as the player Essteedee |
| 18:00.42 | NightHawkTheSan1 | woo! World Explorer! |
| 18:01.07 | *** join/#wowuidev AnduinLothar (n=chatzill@WoWUIDev/Cosmos/AnduinLothar) |
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| 18:01.08 | Shirik|Ecole | you're nuts |
| 18:01.16 | Wikwocket | Would anyone know if Gatherer and Cartographer play nice? |
| 18:01.36 | Anaral | Cart3 has no problems with Gatherer |
| 18:01.43 | |Jelly| | http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1267/wowscrnshot111308220458rb4.jpg <-- my server is full of morons |
| 18:03.17 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|: haha, not even clicking that link, and I know I can one-up it: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12666202269&sid=1 |
| 18:03.48 | Wikwocket | hmm so maybe I can use http://wiki.norganna.org/GathererDB with Cartographer |
| 18:04.24 | Shirik|Ecole | why the hell would you do that ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:05.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Some people are broken |
| 18:09.01 | Anaral | Yes, Wikwocket, but the DB hasn't been updated with Northrend nodes, yet. |
| 18:09.20 | Wikwocket | Oh, bummer |
| 18:10.00 | Wikwocket | ah I read the update date wrong at http://gathereraddon.com/dl/ |
| 18:10.30 | Wikwocket | Maybe someone will publish a Cartographer node data dump sometime |
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| 18:14.05 | NightHawkTheSan1 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
| 18:14.10 | Shirik|Ecole | Unix gurus: When I type in "users" it says "mpdelbuono mpdelbuono" which means I'm logged in twice |
| 18:14.16 | Shirik|Ecole | This second log in has been online forever |
| 18:14.23 | Shirik|Ecole | how can I get him to go away? I have no idea where he's connected from |
| 18:16.09 | Gnarfoz | ps faux | grep bash |
| 18:16.14 | Gnarfoz | does he have a shell open ^^ |
| 18:16.18 | Gnarfoz | if yes, kill eet |
| 18:16.24 | Shirik|Ecole | faux? |
| 18:16.30 | Shirik|Ecole | are those options? |
| 18:16.45 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 18:16.58 | Gnarfoz | ascii tree, all, users, extended |
| 18:16.59 | Gnarfoz | or something. |
| 18:17.00 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:17.00 | Shirik|Ecole | nice |
| 18:17.02 | Shirik|Ecole | root 15512 0.0 0.3 2844 1152 pts/3 Ss+ Oct06 0:00 \_ -/bin/bash |
| 18:17.06 | Shirik|Ecole | logged in since Oct 06 |
| 18:17.09 | Shirik|Ecole | yes? |
| 18:17.10 | Gnarfoz | that's root, though |
| 18:17.15 | Shirik|Ecole | I can't log in as root |
| 18:17.21 | Shirik|Ecole | it would be him |
| 18:17.27 | Gnarfoz | su/sudo maybe? |
| 18:17.30 | Gnarfoz | it's just bash anyway |
| 18:17.32 | Shirik|Ecole | 1009 30468 0.0 0.3 2504 1076 pts/0 S 13:13 0:00 \_ /bin/bash /bin/su |
| 18:17.33 | Shirik|Ecole | there you go :) |
| 18:17.34 | Gnarfoz | should be no harm in killing it |
| 18:17.36 | Gnarfoz | heh yeah |
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| 18:17.48 | Lunessa | station |
| 18:17.53 | Shirik|Ecole | oct 06 |
| 18:17.53 | Gnarfoz | space- |
| 18:17.53 | Shirik|Ecole | damn |
| 18:18.13 | Shirik|Ecole | when I said forever, I didn't expect it to be THAT forever |
| 18:18.52 | Lunessa | Shirik|Ecole: Shouldn't have bought her a diamond. |
| 18:20.30 | Josh_Borke | KILL IT Shirik|Ecole |
| 18:20.34 | Josh_Borke | oh, and |
| 18:20.36 | Josh_Borke | ~failrik |
| 18:20.37 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 18:20.37 | Shirik|Ecole | aha! I found it |
| 18:20.50 | Shirik|Ecole | I logged in on the server itself a long time ago and never logged out |
| 18:20.53 | Shirik|Ecole | instead of ssh |
| 18:21.02 | Josh_Borke | that would do it |
| 18:21.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole left a root shell wide open |
| 18:21.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Good job |
| 18:21.39 | Shirik|Ecole | it's not wide open |
| 18:21.43 | Shirik|Ecole | you have to log in to lish |
| 18:21.53 | Shirik|Ecole | heh, vim is open |
| 18:21.59 | Shirik|Ecole | function foo() end |
| 18:23.34 | Shirik|Ecole | Welps I'm gonna go lie down |
| 18:24.28 | pompy | whats a good thing to use to clean up the savedvariables folder? |
| 18:24.46 | ScytheBlade1 | A file browser? |
| 18:25.49 | pompy | well yeah, but to just clear files from addons you dont use anymore |
| 18:28.02 | Lopeppeppy | Just delete them by addon name. You know what you're not using anymore. |
| 18:32.36 | ScytheBlade1 | s/know/should know/ |
| 18:32.49 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 18:39.42 | Lunessa | Parfaits are /delicious/. |
| 18:40.03 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmm. |
| 18:40.31 | AbsoRayne_ | Lopeppeppy: Shall I give you dis pear? |
| 18:40.54 | Lunessa | I quoted that scene in the office, and my office-mate just went to go buy parfaits. |
| 18:41.17 | Lopeppeppy | Nice, Lunessa. Subliminal advertising, working rather well. :P |
| 18:41.31 | Lunessa | The power, I has it. |
| 18:41.33 | Lopeppeppy | Disappear, you say? I should leave work early and tell 'em to kiss off? Whee! |
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| 18:54.29 | kd3 | sweet |
| 18:54.31 | kd3 | 64-bit flash |
| 18:54.38 | kd3 | took long enough |
| 18:55.29 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: I'm still kinda creeped out that it exists |
| 19:00.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Grr, people are whining about [flyable] again |
| 19:00.39 | alestane | It won't stop any time soon. |
| 19:01.21 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: oh it probably will, once most of the player base levels up. Dalaran is a fringe case, and that is easily fixed by adding a [modifier:alt] or somesuch to existing mount macros |
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| 19:04.24 | ScytheBlade1 | But probably not before |
| 19:04.39 | Lunessa | use /run CallCompanion("MOUNT",GetCurrentMapContinent()==3 and <flying mount slot #> or <land mount slot #>) - until you have cold weather flying |
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| 19:05.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. /cast [modifier:alt] Land mount; [flyable] Flying mount; [noflyable] Land mount |
| 19:06.27 | Lunessa | Heh, except for my alt-5 is the keybind for my macro. :P |
| 19:06.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Then [modifier:shift] ! |
| 19:07.09 | Lunessa | SHIFT-ALT-5 SUCKS. |
| 19:07.15 | Lunessa | srsly. |
| 19:07.19 | NightHawkTheSan1 | I just wrote an addon to do it. |
| 19:07.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. That's why I have mine bound to my mouse. :) |
| 19:07.28 | Lunessa | I have a finger cramp. So I macroed it. |
| 19:07.29 | AnduinLothar | mousebind ftw |
| 19:08.08 | Lunessa | If someone out there would make a gorram trackball with more than 3 gorram buttons, I would too. |
| 19:11.07 | ScytheBlade1 | [modifier:shift] + mouse button 4 works really well. |
| 19:11.43 | cog|away | crap... |
| 19:11.52 | cog|away | wtb lich king torrent |
| 19:12.12 | leethal | I won't be able to track http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=60348 with UNIT_AURA, right? That id is only visible in combat log tracking? |
| 19:12.14 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/download/clients/pc/InstallWoW.exe |
| 19:12.14 | kd3 | wtf? fark: [Spiffy] Not news: crew responds to restaurant fire. News: fire put out before firemen get there. FARK: Fire put itself out by causing water line to burst, dousing flames |
| 19:12.37 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: oh when'd that happen? |
| 19:13.49 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: recently. When Wrath went live, that went live |
| 19:14.56 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: uses HTTP too, no torrent. |
| 19:15.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, so, I wasn't playing last night, but in the guild I started, a DK I have got server first DK 80 |
| 19:16.41 | Cidan | Shirik: We're so awesome |
| 19:16.55 | leethal | any hints on tracking http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=60348 ? Is it even a real spell? |
| 19:16.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Right before he dinged 80 |
| 19:17.05 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I am pleased |
| 19:17.35 | Cidan | So it's no secret, I have an undying hatred for Ace. So, I've been using Elkano's buff bars from way back pre-BC, and I thought to my self, hey, let me make a buff bar mod with Conspiracy. Right? Just to see what it's like. |
| 19:17.41 | Cidan | 70 lines of code == lol done. |
| 19:17.49 | Cidan | Shirik: We're like, the best thing ever. |
| 19:19.19 | AnduinLothar | 70 lines of code for the functionality and 2,000 for the options? |
| 19:20.34 | Cidan | nah |
| 19:20.48 | Cidan | Once I add the options, it shouldn't top... 300 or so. |
| 19:21.04 | Cidan | And that's really really pushing it, it'll likely be smaller |
| 19:21.45 | AnduinLothar | that's what she said |
| 19:21.50 | Cidan | hah |
| 19:21.50 | Cidan | =D |
| 19:23.52 | Cidan | I think I'm going to do away with the Conspiracy menu bar though, and make either a minimap button, or, some sort of sliding bar. *ponder* |
| 19:23.52 | Cidan | Oh well, food time |
| 19:23.52 | Cidan | What level is everyone? |
| 19:24.11 | Zahavit | There's the command /click in the API, is there a way to right mouse button? |
| 19:27.31 | AnduinLothar | 71 |
| 19:27.51 | AnduinLothar | it's slow leveling, since the content isn't new for me |
| 19:30.25 | Duman | anduin: I'm having the same issue now :P |
| 19:31.10 | Duman | altho I got 2 toons to 72... which is the same as one to 74... since XP/level is almost the same every lever |
| 19:31.15 | Duman | *level |
| 19:31.20 | AbsoRayne_ | -_- wtb forum avatar update |
| 19:32.09 | AnduinLothar | The quests are very compelling when you've done them before |
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| 19:37.30 | foxlit | Zahavit: yes. |
| 19:37.39 | Industrial | um, NightHawkTheSan1, runemaster settings aren't really working atm? |
| 19:40.10 | cog|work | huh... does the installer pull data from beta? i've only downloaded ~350mb and it's at 62% installed... |
| 19:40.14 | cog|work | or does it go by file count? |
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| 19:41.22 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Industrial: huh? |
| 19:42.15 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Industrial: I honestly haven't looked at it much in a month or two. Last I knew it was working fine? |
| 19:42.46 | Lopeppeppy | Cog, it shouldn't. I deleted my beta before installing. |
| 19:43.33 | cog|work | i know it doesn't need the files, but perhaps it is capable of using them? |
| 19:44.02 | Lopeppeppy | Do you still have the beta installed? |
| 19:45.00 | cog|work | yep |
| 19:47.11 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSan1: when i change settings nothing happens, so :) |
| 19:47.32 | Lopeppeppy | cog|work, is the beta somehow confusing to the new installer? |
| 19:48.15 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Industrial: did you hit okay after doing it? the settings don't immediatly update onclick or whatever :p |
| 19:48.21 | Lunessa | Holy hell, the guy brought a giant damned tub of parfait. |
| 19:48.34 | Lopeppeppy | ... I didn't know it came in Supersize. |
| 19:48.45 | alestane | Which guy is this? |
| 19:48.47 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: blizzard said having it present wouldn't interfere in any way |
| 19:49.13 | alestane | And you believed them? |
| 19:49.18 | Lunessa | cog|work: The installed on the download page is a dynamic client. It loads zone data dynamically like we did at the beginning of beta. |
| 19:49.29 | AnduinLothar | mine installed with fine with beta |
| 19:49.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Same |
| 19:49.39 | cog|work | Lunessa: oh sweet |
| 19:50.05 | cog|work | i'm not having trouble installing... |
| 19:50.16 | Lunessa | I should say "streaming client" like the R-A-F/trial account installer. |
| 19:50.49 | cog|work | i'm just wondering how it seems to be so much further along in the installation than the amount of downloaded data would indicate :P |
| 19:50.54 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSan1: wait theres an oka-HEY! |
| 19:51.00 | Lunessa | That's how. :P |
| 19:51.04 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: you had base WoW/TBC installed, and the Wrath installer is "complete" |
| 19:51.09 | Industrial | *face-to-desk* |
| 19:52.58 | alestane | Industrial: ? |
| 19:53.14 | Industrial | alestane: to NightHawkTheSan1 |
| 19:53.50 | alestane | Ah, I have now properly assembled that exchange. |
| 19:55.39 | Zahavit | 477,000 |
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| 19:57.24 | Industrial | Scourge Commander Thalanor awaits your arrival ... Do not fail me, Wibblewobble! |
| 19:57.27 | Industrial | <3 being a gnome :D |
| 19:57.45 | Industrial | can you picture arthas saying wibblewobble :D? |
| 19:58.02 | Lopeppeppy | Yummy. |
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| 19:58.28 | Zahavit | foxlit: What's the command to use /click as a right click? |
| 19:58.40 | Amarande | Industrial: in that metallic-like DK kind of voice? |
| 19:58.57 | Amarande | I've noticed Melamorea's voice is way different than my usual blood elf characters' |
| 19:59.53 | alestane | You should be able to turn DK voice processing on and off in sound options. |
| 20:00.57 | Amarande | and welcome to the fun that is grinding herbalism on a DK |
| 20:01.04 | Amarande | ah well. at least for a DK you can combine it with exploration achievements |
| 20:01.15 | alestane | Hey now, I'm not an herbalist!. |
| 20:01.28 | alestane | ...I'm a miner... |
| 20:02.13 | Amarande | ew, what is this strange little short thing that looks like alliance ... |
| 20:02.19 | Zahavit | alestane: You .. can turn DK voice off in the sound options. |
| 20:02.20 | Amarande | I should probably run it over with my deathcharger ... |
| 20:02.37 | cog|work | Industrial: mrs. cog says arthas would probably kill you first |
| 20:02.43 | cog|work | rather than say wibblewobble |
| 20:02.51 | Zahavit | alestane: Sound & Voice > Death Knight Voices unchecked. It's at the bottom center, above the Sound Quality slider. |
| 20:03.06 | alestane | Zahavit: I know this. |
| 20:03.28 | Zahavit | Hmm. Your previous comments would seem to prove otherwise. |
| 20:03.54 | Industrial | cog|work: =D |
| 20:04.45 | alestane | You're telling me the same thing I told Amarande; you just took the time to double-check the exact controls. |
| 20:04.49 | Amarande | alestane: you can combine THAT with exploration achievements too. :) |
| 20:05.04 | Zahavit | Sorry. I misunderstood. |
| 20:05.09 | Amarande | Except it's easier for us herbalists since we're not whacking the same node over and over for no additional points |
| 20:05.12 | alestane | ...and quest achievments, and rep grinds, and... |
| 20:05.15 | Zahavit | I balme it on english. |
| 20:05.22 | Lopeppeppy | GRINDING SUX! |
| 20:05.23 | alestane | Zahavit: No worries. |
| 20:06.12 | Zahavit | foxlit: May I PM you? |
| 20:06.45 | alestane | One of my students today was saying he thinks me might prefer two crafting professions, and just buy all his mats, to save going back and grinding. |
| 20:07.08 | Zahavit | Sounds like me. |
| 20:07.29 | ccox|AFK | or create alts for gathering |
| 20:08.22 | alestane | Which doesn't work so well for me, since most of my alts have already passed that territory. |
| 20:08.36 | Lunessa | In the DK starting area is a book that contains 1 page stories about alpha-tester DKs. One of them had the name Harmony. Her entry says "Name not in keeping with the spirit of the Scourge." |
| 20:08.59 | Zahavit | haha |
| 20:09.23 | alestane | Baby alts are good. |
| 20:09.24 | ccox|AFK | Lunessa - there are lots of fun books in the DK starting zone |
| 20:09.41 | alestane | Just I've had to make any more baby alts on another server by now. |
| 20:09.54 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
| 20:10.01 | Amarande | bah! |
| 20:10.05 | Lopeppeppy | I think we should all re-roll on.... some random server! |
| 20:10.06 | Amarande | not enough herb nodes in Hillsbrad |
| 20:10.09 | alestane | "Cause my baby alts grew up. |
| 20:10.12 | Lunessa | Totally. :) And I noticed an item in the game - a quest reward in Coldarra - that bears a striking resemblance to the name of Seerah. |
| 20:10.18 | Zahavit | Just don't reroll on Silvermoon. |
| 20:10.29 | Zahavit | The 2 hour queue is bad enough =) |
| 20:10.29 | alestane | There's always Fizzcrank. |
| 20:10.40 | Amarande | heh, my DK is 'Melamorea' |
| 20:10.47 | Amarande | I believe that means something like 'dark love' in Tolkien elvish |
| 20:10.57 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 20:11.52 | Zahavit | hehe.. I named mine Mavetabir. Which, is amazing creative. It's Death Knight.. in hebrew. |
| 20:12.55 | amro | more so than names like jondk |
| 20:13.04 | Zahavit | lol |
| 20:13.16 | Zahavit | More creative to those that don't know what it means i'm sure. |
| 20:13.37 | cog|work | Lunessa: Lopeppeppy: ScytheBlade1: fwiw, once it got to 63% it started crawling. It does seem to be calculating percentage based on number of files installed rather than amount of data downloaded |
| 20:14.09 | Lunessa | cog|work: verry interesting. |
| 20:14.17 | Wikwocket | cog|work: I agree. I experienced the same thing. |
| 20:14.43 | amro | cog|work: wotlk installer? there is a shaded part of the progresbar to indicate that |
| 20:15.39 | Lopeppeppy | I just sort of walked away and did laundry while mine installed... *meeps* |
| 20:16.03 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: i think you may have missed that i'm using the downloader/installer not the dvd |
| 20:16.37 | Lopeppeppy | No... downloader is just extra special super weirder. :) |
| 20:16.53 | amro | it's very well done I'd say |
| 20:17.44 | amro | only downside is that I could not get it to work under wine |
| 20:20.10 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: yeah, it considers 0% as "no WoW installed" and 100% as "WoW+TBC+Wrath" installed, so once it verified the first 63%, it started pulling data from the internet |
| 20:21.59 | cog|work | interesting |
| 20:22.11 | cog|work | and now what you said earlier makes sense :P |
| 20:22.29 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: fun fact... for every file in the MPQs, it sends one HTTP request. That HTTP request corresponds to the Tome X.mpq, with the offset of data where the file starts in the MPQ |
| 20:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Long story short, it's great for a squid cache, but is probably destroying their servers with disk seeking :) |
| 20:23.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm kinda surprised that they used HTTP instead of torrents for it |
| 20:23.44 | cog|work | seems to be handling it jus tfine |
| 20:23.55 | cog|work | perhaps they have the files in a database indexd by offset? |
| 20:24.00 | ScytheBlade1 | They do |
| 20:24.04 | ScytheBlade1 | (They have to) |
| 20:24.13 | cog|work | and i'm sure they can keep the whole damn thing in ram |
| 20:24.20 | Seerah | Lunessa: I saw that, too, but I doubt it was named after me ;) |
| 20:24.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, you'd have to ask akami |
| 20:24.30 | ScytheBlade1 | But... okay, akami. Yeah it's in RAM |
| 20:24.40 | foxlit | Or, if we go by machine / piece, in CPU cache. |
| 20:24.49 | cog|work | heh |
| 20:25.11 | foxlit | Completely groundless conclusion, check :P |
| 20:25.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually, they probably just download the MPQ block table and use that to get the offsets. That'd make a lot of sense :P |
| 20:25.41 | ScytheBlade1 | But yeah, wireshark is a mess. Thousands of different HTTP requests |
| 20:25.59 | Lunessa | Seerah: I didn't think so either but it did briefly amuse me. Enough that I kept the item. |
| 20:26.07 | Seerah | :D |
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| 20:30.34 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: November 17, 2008 12:30pm PST. . All realms will be offline for scheduled maintenance.. . * Date: November 18, 2008. * Time: 5:00am - 11:00am PST. . For more information, please check our Realm Status forum.. . Thank you,. |
| 20:30.34 | Shiibot | Blizzard Entertainment. . . November 14, 2008, 9:45 PM PST. |
| 20:30.34 | Shiibot | Want to avoid the Queue? Free character moves are currently available for select realms. For more information, please visit the General Forum at forums.worldofwarcraft.com, under the thread, "Available Free Realm Transfers" |
| 20:31.03 | Lunessa | It goes well with TipTop. |
| 20:31.55 | |Jelly| | TOO BAD MY REALM ISN'T IN THE LIST |
| 20:32.12 | Lunessa | Mine either. |
| 20:32.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Mine is |
| 20:32.29 | Lunessa | However, queues have been minimal for Kirin Tor US |
| 20:33.13 | Zahavit | I just have to wonder, does blizzard expect much movement? I know personally my queues are about 2 hour waits, 1500ish people, but i've been on my server since launch. I'm not going to move. |
| 20:33.20 | Zahavit | If I had to, I'd just quit playing. |
| 20:33.26 | Lunessa | I rather expect that by February queues will nothing but another bad memory. |
| 20:33.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That's how it is for a lot of people on early servers |
| 20:33.49 | Zahavit | I'm on Silvermoon, and have been since day one, I'm used to queues when new stuff pops up |
| 20:33.59 | Zahavit | Once the Xpac is older, the people that popped in to see it, will be bored agian. |
| 20:34.32 | Lunessa | Well, I'm factoring out the holday-zerg-rush to 80. |
| 20:34.37 | Zahavit | hehe |
| 20:34.43 | Zahavit | That's true too. |
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| 20:36.34 | Lunessa | I rather expect a bunch of people will get the expansion for a gift this year, and they'll play to 80 and then things will die down. And all the transfers off PVP-realms to my realm for "ez levels" will x-fer out again. |
| 20:36.56 | Zahavit | hehe |
| 20:37.00 | Zahavit | Indeed |
| 20:37.55 | Amarande | I've been sticking with Quel'dorei as I have been since I transferred my warlock there this spring |
| 20:38.09 | Amarande | Seems to only have queues during the evening, and even then only for a few minutes |
| 20:38.12 | Amarande | most of the time it's still Medium |
| 20:39.11 | Lunessa | We hit "Full" sometime about 8pm Central Standard Time and have a short queue - I've never had to wait more than 5-10 mins. |
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| 20:42.35 | Zahavit | Anyone know what borean leather is averaging in price on their server? |
| 20:42.48 | Amarande | I suspect there will probably be another spike this week though |
| 20:42.55 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl: http://penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
| 20:42.56 | ScytheBlade1 | So much win |
| 20:42.59 | Amarande | as the people who ordered WotLK with ground shipping get their copies |
| 20:44.17 | Amarande | only one problem with being a DK and using usual unit frame addons ... |
| 20:45.11 | Amarande | the DK red is a little too similar to the 'in combat' red |
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| 20:46.16 | Zahavit | hehe |
| 20:46.19 | Zahavit | I agree |
| 20:46.32 | ShaneSveller | hello, has anyone run into issues with patching to 3.0.2/3.0.3 on OSX? |
| 20:46.46 | ShaneSveller | i just installed a fresh copy of wotlk and the patching process fails silently |
| 20:46.48 | Zahavit | It was just very slow.. |
| 20:46.54 | Zahavit | For me |
| 20:47.21 | ShaneSveller | the downloader closes and nothing else runs, Updater.app in the Updates folder opens and closes immediately, and Blizzard Updater.app in root complains about "localization.xml" |
| 20:48.21 | ShaneSveller | i can't find anything about my symptoms on the blizz mac forum... |
| 20:50.11 | cog|work | ShaneSveller: haven't heard of anything like that... you might try the mac tech support forum |
| 20:50.31 | cog|work | then ask ;) |
| 20:52.21 | ShaneSveller | i have been for a good chunk of the afternoon |
| 20:53.03 | ShaneSveller | the standard response seems to be "go ahead and wipe out all traces of wow from your Mac and reinstall, then repair permissions using Disk Utility", posted in upwards of 10 threads with different-sounding issues |
| 20:53.08 | ShaneSveller | which i've tried twice now. |
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| 20:54.10 | cladhaire | ShaneSveller: sounds like you have apermissions issue |
| 20:54.17 | cladhaire | did you get any of these files through non-blizzard means? |
| 20:54.20 | ShaneSveller | negative |
| 20:54.29 | cladhaire | have you opened and examined your Console Log? |
| 20:54.42 | ShaneSveller | the blizzard downloaded for patch 302 completes succesfully and closes, but nothing launches afterward |
| 20:54.45 | ShaneSveller | downloader* |
| 20:54.52 | cladhaire | okay |
| 20:54.59 | cladhaire | find the patch file that it downloaded |
| 20:55.06 | cladhaire | right-click and show package contends |
| 20:55.08 | cladhaire | contents |
| 20:55.42 | ShaneSveller | console log is still showing permission errors despite me granting r+w recursively to my user and admin group through Finder, will try a chmod |
| 20:55.53 | cladhaire | you need x |
| 20:55.54 | Amarande | ow ... those guys outside of ZG hurt when you're still a level 58 DK |
| 20:55.54 | ShaneSveller | -still, i didn't view console log previously |
| 20:55.55 | cladhaire | not r+w |
| 20:56.02 | cladhaire | the executable needs to be executable |
| 20:56.04 | Amarande | but of course are still soloable anyway :) |
| 20:56.08 | cladhaire | but console log will tell you what is wrong |
| 20:56.09 | cladhaire | either way |
| 20:57.33 | Amarande | I really should spec soon |
| 20:58.11 | foxlit | http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20081104 |
| 20:59.22 | ShaneSveller | cladhaire: I didn't touch executable permissions on anything when trying to solve this issue, but granting +x on Updater.app/Contents/MacOS/Installer did wind up allowing it to run |
| 20:59.45 | cladhaire | I didn't say you did :P |
| 20:59.49 | cladhaire | the downloader may have failed to set it for some reason |
| 20:59.53 | cladhaire | but huzzah! |
| 20:59.58 | ShaneSveller | cladhaire: only thing I can think of is i initially torrented on a linux box on ext3 fs, and copied it onto my local HFS+ partition |
| 21:00.02 | ShaneSveller | cladhaire: hehe thanks |
| 21:00.07 | cladhaire | ShaneSveller: LIAR |
| 21:00.13 | cladhaire | I asked you if you got it from non-blizzard means |
| 21:00.20 | cladhaire | I could have told you INSTANTLY that was the issue |
| 21:00.20 | ShaneSveller | it was a blizz torrent tho |
| 21:00.27 | cladhaire | that's not the same thing |
| 21:00.31 | cladhaire | at all |
| 21:00.32 | Amarande | are there pictures of DK T7 around yet anywhere, btw? |
| 21:00.46 | cladhaire | either way, it will ALWAYS do that if you don't use the downloader to DOWNLOAD it. |
| 21:00.52 | ShaneSveller | I was under the impression that re-running blizz downloader fixed any issues with that, but at least now I know better |
| 21:01.08 | cladhaire | :P |
| 21:01.52 | ShaneSveller | my torrent ports are all forwarded to my linux box so it's much faster to download stuff on there. score -1 for impatience. |
| 21:02.21 | cladhaire | why do you think i'm aware of the issue? :P |
| 21:02.27 | ShaneSveller | heh |
| 21:03.36 | ShaneSveller | well, thanks for getting me pointed in the right direction :-) |
| 21:03.42 | cladhaire | np |
| 21:05.09 | Tekkub | if you're gonna 4-box... why with SHAMANS? |
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| 21:05.45 | cladhaire | chain lightning. |
| 21:05.46 | Lopeppeppy | Why not? |
| 21:05.58 | cladhaire | mail armor |
| 21:05.59 | cladhaire | healing |
| 21:06.19 | cladhaire | as a matter of fact the only healer capable of mail and ranged attack :P |
| 21:06.21 | smcn | yeah it's easiest to do with casters and shaman are the most durable caster |
| 21:06.33 | smcn | speaking in simple terms anyways |
| 21:06.41 | Lunessa | Because Shaman fucking own. True story. |
| 21:06.51 | duaiwe | ^^ |
| 21:06.52 | smcn | you could do it with moonkin i guess, but having to shift to heal sucks |
| 21:07.10 | Codayus_ | Multiboxing DKs would be fun... |
| 21:07.20 | Codayus_ | Healing is overated. :-) |
| 21:07.24 | cladhaire | heh |
| 21:08.53 | Lunessa | I'm totally biased, though. I've played most everything, and I just happen to really love Shaman. |
| 21:09.09 | Codayus_ | (Not sure when reality will catch up, but 5 DKs can apparently clear ramparts really easily...) |
| 21:10.00 | Lunessa | Codayus_: In beta, they were clear most all "normal" instances for Outlands as a 5-DK group. |
| 21:10.09 | Lunessa | *clearing |
| 21:10.20 | Codayus_ | Self heals + pets + plate + good DPS = party! |
| 21:10.33 | Amarande | Lunessa: even things like Mech with Sepethrea? |
| 21:10.51 | Codayus_ | Hmm, arcatraz seems like it'd be impossible...well, maybe with clever use of antimagic shield... |
| 21:11.01 | Lunessa | Amarande: I quit following their adventures - I was too busy with a hurricane and moving. |
| 21:11.07 | Codayus_ | Pft |
| 21:11.19 | Codayus_ | Hurricanes |
| 21:11.29 | foxlit | "Well played, Iron Rune Construct. Well played, indeed." |
| 21:13.01 | Lunessa | "Commencing total annihilation of your rug, Lebronski." |
| 21:13.55 | foxlit | "Construct found wallet with overabundance of currency" |
| 21:16.08 | Lopeppeppy | "I believe you have my stapler." |
| 21:20.10 | foxlit | "Construct is not authorized to communicate with lesser beings. Being must double their efforts." |
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| 21:22.03 | Anaral | I so want to control the guns with my mouse. Like as if I were moving. And I hope Nev figures out how the Vehicle control bar works. *sighs* |
| 21:25.54 | Lunessa | Anaral: On which quest? |
| 21:26.19 | Anaral | In this instance, The Chain Gun and You |
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| 21:28.45 | Anaral | I've keybound the vehicle controls... but I still don't have enough hands to work the aim controls, turn, yelling at a hidden soldger and shoot. |
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| 21:29.45 | Amarande | heh, I just pissed off a dwarf and got /slapped in the face |
| 21:30.23 | Anaral | And I take back the comment about Nev figuring the bars out. I remember in beta that there were pitch controls on the bar, but I disabled B4 and there were no pitch arrows. |
| 21:30.35 | Cairenn | mikma: awww, poor puppy |
| 21:30.42 | Amarande | yay for ninja'ing herbs |
| 21:30.51 | Josh_Borke | wow |
| 21:30.51 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 21:30.54 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 21:30.55 | Josh_Borke | that's a large backlog cairenn |
| 21:31.01 | Cairenn | yeah, I know |
| 21:31.04 | Amarande | how goes the wonderful snowy new world? :) |
| 21:31.19 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 21:31.22 | Amarande | well, assuming northrend really is that snowy |
| 21:31.27 | Amarande | I still haven't traveled there yet heh |
| 21:31.40 | Amarande | been busy with exploration achievements/farming herbs |
| 21:32.12 | Cairenn | ah, you're talking about that new world - wouldn't know, haven't been there yet |
| 21:38.09 | Amarande | heh, hogger has exactly the appropriate hp for someone low level alliance think of as the devil |
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| 21:45.17 | ZorbaTHut | does anyone know if there's a simple clever way to tell if the minimap is going to be its own screen, or show up in a window? Or alternatively, a way to respect UI Scale on tooltip windows for map elements that works in both cases? |
| 21:45.41 | ZorbaTHut | if the parent is UIParent, it scales properly in "window" mode but doesn't show up in "fullscreen" mode. if the parent is nil, it works on both, but doesn't rescale. :( |
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| 21:50.14 | Cairenn | (2008-11-17 16:48:01) Cairenn: rofl @ email sis just sent me |
| 21:50.14 | Cairenn | (2008-11-17 16:48:09) Cairenn: A father asked his 10-yera old son if he knew about the birds and the bees. |
| 21:50.14 | Cairenn | (2008-11-17 16:48:18) Cairenn: "I don't want to know," the child said, bursting into tears. "Promise you won't tell me." |
| 21:50.14 | Cairenn | (2008-11-17 16:48:24) Cairenn: Confused, the father asked what was wrong. |
| 21:50.14 | Cairenn | (2008-11-17 16:48:31) Cairenn: The boy sobbed, |
| 21:50.16 | Cairenn | (2008-11-17 16:48:40) Cairenn: "When I was six, I got the 'There's no Easter Bunny' speech. |
| 21:50.18 | Cairenn | (2008-11-17 16:48:47) Cairenn: At seven, I got the 'There's no Tooth Fairy' speech. |
| 21:50.20 | Cairenn | (2008-11-17 16:48:53) Cairenn: When I was eight, you hit me with the 'There's no Santa' speech. |
| 21:50.22 | Cairenn | (2008-11-17 16:49:01) Cairenn: If you're going to tell me that grown-ups don't really get laid, I'll have nothing left to live for!" |
| 21:50.42 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 21:50.53 | kd3 | rofl |
| 21:53.33 | Lunessa | That's great! |
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| 21:55.43 | Industrial | lol. |
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| 21:56.46 | |pez| | ... :D |
| 21:57.56 | krka | funny because it's true! |
| 21:58.22 | Yssaril | what are you guys using for tracking debuffs you put up n your target? |
| 21:59.31 | Josh_Borke | my brain |
| 21:59.56 | mikma | what what? |
| 22:00.12 | |pez| | Josh_Borke: you have on? :o |
| 22:00.30 | Yssaril | Josh_Borke: thats what i am using now (it hurts though) |
| 22:00.38 | Josh_Borke | |pez|: :( |
| 22:00.49 | |pez| | <3 Josh_Borke, really. |
| 22:01.40 | Jamash | What do you mean tracking debuffs, specifically? |
| 22:02.20 | |pez| | so he knows how much time is left on the debuffs he's put on a meanie? |
| 22:02.35 | Yssaril | Jamash: something nice to track say my warlock dots or DK deseases |
| 22:03.59 | Lunessa | Try DoTimer. |
| 22:04.02 | Jamash | something more than just a unitframes addon? |
| 22:04.15 | Amarande | I find it funny that EJ refers to "common specs" used by DKs |
| 22:04.32 | Amarande | excluding beta anyway, we've had access to DKs for what, four days? :| |
| 22:04.47 | ScytheBlade1 | http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s7/slayer320/Untitled-5.jpg <-- borderline nsfw but text only |
| 22:04.53 | mikma | heh, i got an interesting message in wowinterface, someone was asking if there is a way to use my TargetBlock in a macro. so, i did it ^^ |
| 22:04.53 | Amarande | and most realms are lucky if they have one or two level 80 of each class if that |
| 22:05.07 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:05.26 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7855-TargetBlock.html <- ultimate tagger in macro :D |
| 22:05.45 | Jamash | I'm adding some slash commands to my addon. What's a good library for parsing arguments? |
| 22:06.19 | mikma | Ace3 |
| 22:07.00 | alestane | string.split? |
| 22:07.13 | mikma | alestane: no, no no no. he asked a library |
| 22:07.25 | mikma | don't offer him a lighter option! |
| 22:07.43 | krka | string.split surrounded by any random 2000 lines of bloat? :) |
| 22:08.31 | mikma | with all the extra libraries, don't forget about them |
| 22:08.40 | foxlit | Grr, so many "take this mount" quests in wrath make me lose my ghoul :/ |
| 22:10.04 | Jamash | hmm, yes, I have to consider whether it's worth it adding 100kb of libraries to a 25kb addon :P |
| 22:10.24 | mikma | 100kb you say? :D |
| 22:10.54 | Jamash | something like that |
| 22:10.55 | Amarande | WTF are these blue tornado-looking vortices that just flew through the outside part of UC? |
| 22:11.01 | Amarande | they didn't seem to do anything when I walked through them |
| 22:12.56 | foxlit | phasing issues, I guess |
| 22:13.03 | foxlit | amarande: around the elevators? |
| 22:13.47 | Amarande | foxlit: outdoors, near the Silvermoon teleporter |
| 22:14.03 | Amarande | also, am I correct that wotlk raids reset daily now? |
| 22:16.45 | pompy | doubt that, unless they somehow expect everyone to clear a raid in 1 day |
| 22:17.00 | Amarande | well, if you look at 'raid resets' on the blizzard map |
| 22:17.06 | Amarande | the northrend raids are listed -every- day |
| 22:18.06 | pompy | ingame or on a website? |
| 22:18.07 | pompy | link? |
| 22:19.23 | Amarande | ingame |
| 22:20.59 | Jamash | maybe I will just use strsplit |
| 22:23.48 | pompy | amarande: ill have to look at that, are you talking about the calendar? |
| 22:26.09 | Gnarfoz | <Josh_Borke> insanity and stupidity are 2 VERY different things <-- coming back to that: Prat-3.0 calls the filters in an environment where the (officially deprecated, but still present and necessary to retain full chat filter functionality) global args are not present... ^^ |
| 22:26.21 | Amarande | pompy: yeah |
| 22:26.28 | Amarande | hmm, looks like QD just got its first 450 inscriptionist |
| 22:26.49 | Gnarfoz | Anaral: ugh, I see now why you said something about LET getting fixes soon, it's worse than ETT in the zipped beta build that's on the site ^^ |
| 22:26.52 | pompy | theres a 450 engineer o mine |
| 22:27.37 | sylvanaar | hai, i use deprecated globals, and I feel I should be able to do it because that is a smart thing. |
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| 22:30.13 | Amarande | sylvanaar: risking being strangled when a patch causes people not to be able to use their favorite UI any longer because they use your addon is a smart thing? :) |
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| 22:32.31 | sylvanaar | hey arg1...argN and this are still global, lets keep using them |
| 22:33.18 | sylvanaar | they work, right? whats wrong with that |
| 22:33.36 | Gnarfoz | they'll get converted to function params some day. |
| 22:33.52 | Gnarfoz | converted means = no time between there where neither of both is available |
| 22:33.55 | Zahavit | lol |
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| 22:34.23 | sylvanaar | yeah, because we can depend on that happening |
| 22:34.27 | Gnarfoz | yes, we can |
| 22:34.29 | Gnarfoz | (tm) |
| 22:35.28 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: also, your childish outburst there can just as well be re-worded as "hai, I break other addons because everyone should limit themselves to filtering on message content alone" |
| 22:35.30 | sylvanaar | dont act like your hack is correct code...at least call it what it is instead of blaming me |
| 22:35.34 | Amarande | hmm, maybe the folks who say DK are a tad OP do have a slight point |
| 22:35.47 | Amarande | I was able to take on elites outside of ZG with an -unspecced- 58 DK |
| 22:35.53 | Gnarfoz | I'm blaming you because your addon is the one that breaks deprecated UI behaviour |
| 22:36.06 | Gnarfoz | it being deprecated doesn't mean you can fuck it up >_> |
| 22:36.36 | zenzelezz | "Storm Peaks is somewhat accessible by foot, but depends on having a flying mount" o_O |
| 22:36.39 | Amarande | And some folks still use out of date addons. :| |
| 22:36.41 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: read what this is about first, probably |
| 22:36.50 | Hirsute | zenzelezz: That makes plenty of sens.... >_> |
| 22:36.51 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: you get a free loaner mount if you don't have one |
| 22:36.57 | Amarande | ergo, deprecated behavior can be surprisingly important. |
| 22:37.07 | Hirsute | s/sens/sense/ |
| 22:37.08 | sylvanaar | Gnarfoz wants to use arg2 |
| 22:37.15 | sylvanaar | the global 1 |
| 22:37.17 | Gnarfoz | I want to filter on something other than arg1! |
| 22:37.19 | Gnarfoz | nothing more. |
| 22:37.21 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: I see |
| 22:37.40 | Gnarfoz | and yes that's functionality that is intended. |
| 22:37.42 | sylvanaar | and he feels that doing so is *correct* |
| 22:37.50 | Gnarfoz | it's the only POSSIBLE way to do it. |
| 22:38.04 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: http://www.wowhead.com/?search=loaner |
| 22:38.06 | Gnarfoz | with chat filters, that is. |
| 22:38.14 | |Jelly| | What's the level 80 def cap for crit? |
| 22:38.39 | Gnarfoz | I'm not going to make a chat filter into a full blown ChatFrame_M_E_H hooking mess just because you don't want to play nice with possibly every other chat addon out there |
| 22:39.03 | Amarande | and cold weather flying is now simply purchased rather than being from a quest? |
| 22:39.05 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: it was just a weird sentence :) |
| 22:39.07 | Gnarfoz | accessing _G.arg2 doesn't help btw |
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| 22:42.43 | sylvanaar | you are still blaming me for your misuse of the chat filters. they operate on arg1 |
| 22:44.36 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 22:44.39 | Gnarfoz | they operate on ALL args |
| 22:44.50 | Gnarfoz | because all args are there. |
| 22:45.04 | Gnarfoz | and I'm confused as to why breaking out of your silly jail doesn't work, either |
| 22:45.17 | sylvanaar | they were not there in beta |
| 22:45.48 | Gnarfoz | funny how that can be because this filter worked on beta, too :p |
| 22:46.25 | Gnarfoz | there would be literally no way this filter could work if I can't access the sender of a message |
| 22:46.40 | sylvanaar | it wasnt designed to work that way |
| 22:46.50 | sylvanaar | it filters the message portion only |
| 22:47.20 | sylvanaar | thats why it only passes arg1 |
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| 22:50.22 | smcn | is there a corpsepoint mod for tomtom? |
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| 22:53.54 | Gnarfoz | sigh |
| 22:55.43 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: it can filter the message portion only alright, but it can filter on other circumstances than the message itself. I'll just wait for when you have to change your stuff around because the function calls are changed to filter(msg, sender, etc, etc, etc)^^ |
| 22:56.01 | Anaral | smcn Why would you need one? |
| 22:56.14 | Gnarfoz | still curious why _G.arg2 won't work as you're saying it should... ;p |
| 22:56.37 | smcn | Anaral: just used to it from cartographer, one of those silly things i really don't need but would like to have :p |
| 22:56.52 | smcn | i'm just gonna whip it up myself |
| 22:59.16 | sylvanaar | gnarfoz name it something else like local GG=_G |
| 23:00.18 | sylvanaar | if that doesnt work, then the default ui may not be using the global environment either |
| 23:00.33 | Gnarfoz | the default ui... not using... what |
| 23:00.50 | Gnarfoz | the only way this can't work would be if the globals aren't there >_> |
| 23:01.18 | sylvanaar | you do know that the default UI uses non-global environments in some places |
| 23:01.22 | sylvanaar | dont you? |
| 23:01.33 | Gnarfoz | talk down to me more? is it fun? |
| 23:01.42 | Gnarfoz | it works with nothing else but this filter as an addon enabled. |
| 23:01.49 | Gnarfoz | how much more "default" can it get? |
| 23:03.35 | sylvanaar | perhaps that is another environment which adds the args |
| 23:04.03 | sylvanaar | which only exists in the onevent |
| 23:04.15 | Gnarfoz | perhaps you're overwriting the globals, too |
| 23:04.20 | Gnarfoz | :< |
| 23:04.23 | sylvanaar | im not |
| 23:04.30 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 23:04.31 | Gnarfoz | why? |
| 23:04.33 | Gnarfoz | because: |
| 23:04.38 | Amarande | bah. I'm going to need to code a movable achievement tracker window |
| 23:04.45 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: UrbanAchiever |
| 23:04.49 | sylvanaar | because my environment is private |
| 23:04.56 | Gnarfoz | the stuff I'm filtering on actually ends up in my data table. |
| 23:04.58 | Gnarfoz | but |
| 23:05.04 | Amarande | you know what's weird about the blizzard achievement tracker? |
| 23:05.13 | Amarande | it displays beneath anything that happens to be at that spot |
| 23:05.20 | Gnarfoz | still I get nothing in chat? |
| 23:05.25 | Amarande | but intercepts the mouse clicks, causing it to be impossible to click anything that's over the achievement tracker |
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| 23:06.17 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: sounds fun |
| 23:07.51 | sylvanaar | Gnarfoz im tired and dont feel like arguing. i'll pass arg2..argN |
| 23:08.01 | Amarande | Mostly minor, since I usually use the hotkeys for stuff on the minimenu anyway |
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| 23:08.34 | Amarande | I only really noticed it because I was tracking an achievement, my framerate got laggy for some reason and I noticed with the minimenu on top of part of the achievement tracker, the lag tooltip didn't show |
| 23:08.50 | Amarande | even though the minimenu was -on top-, which seems weird. :S |
| 23:09.01 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: I'm tired, too, it's more of a thing that what you suggestion as an alternative way to "hack" this (because it's such a big hack) don't work either, even though it should clearly work around your private environment thing |
| 23:09.17 | Gnarfoz | *what you suggested |
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| 23:11.52 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: http://ace.pastey.net/102095 < this should "work around" the private environment, right? I mean, it seems to work partly, because I can just dump DBMdata and it contains { Loligesla = "Do not Disturb" }. as you can see, the first time around, the filter then returns false and msg, which means it should show up in chat, but it doesn't. :\ |
| 23:12.14 | sylvanaar | Gnarfoz because the environment that OnEvent executes in is not the same as getfenv(0) |
| 23:12.20 | sylvanaar | blame cog|work |
| 23:13.24 | Gnarfoz | same code works without prat :\ |
| 23:13.45 | sylvanaar | you keep saying that, but you are missing the point |
| 23:14.20 | Gnarfoz | I could just filter on the msg part |
| 23:15.01 | Gnarfoz | err |
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| 23:16.16 | Shirik | Cidan, what happened? |
| 23:17.25 | sylvanaar | anyhow, arg1..argN are probably in an environment which is not getfenv(0), but has an __index method which lets you access getfenv(0) |
| 23:18.53 | foxlit | does that even make sense? |
| 23:19.08 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 23:20.04 | sylvanaar | can you access them outside of a script handler? |
| 23:20.08 | Gnarfoz | just using the "normal" _G doesn't do it, either |
| 23:21.12 | sylvanaar | anyhow, way too difficult to explain if you dont understand my last sentance |
| 23:21.22 | sylvanaar | try getfenv(1) |
| 23:22.30 | sylvanaar | or better yet, i am passing arg1.arg12, so you should be happy now |
| 23:24.08 | MentalPower | I thought arg1..argN were not created anymore |
| 23:24.08 | Gnarfoz | they are |
| 23:24.09 | Jamash | How do I flatten a table in Lua? I want to pass the contents of a list as arguments to a function. |
| 23:24.09 | alestane | Just not used. |
| 23:24.09 | Gnarfoz | they are used, too |
| 23:24.09 | Gnarfoz | they contain exactly what they used to contain |
| 23:24.10 | alestane | Jamash: What kind of keys? |
| 23:24.10 | MentalPower | in the default UI? |
| 23:24.13 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 23:24.16 | MentalPower | where? |
| 23:24.19 | Jamash | integer indices |
| 23:24.32 | alestane | Contiguous? |
| 23:24.34 | Gnarfoz | for CHAT_MSG_AFK + CHAT_MSG_DND at least, that's all I'm using :> |
| 23:24.37 | Jamash | Yes |
| 23:24.38 | MentalPower | unpack(someTable) |
| 23:24.42 | alestane | ^ |
| 23:24.44 | Jamash | there we go |
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| 23:25.04 | Jamash | Thanks! |
| 23:26.10 | Gnarfoz | MentalPower, alestane: http://ace.pastey.net/102086-2tf4 < this works on 3.0.3 with just the addon containing the lines loaded. unless I'm mistaken, that means at least arg2 gets set as it used to for these events, right? |
| 23:27.30 | MentalPower | do a ChatFrame1:AddMessage(arg2) after line 3 |
| 23:28.07 | MentalPower | actually, ChatFrame1:AddMessage(tostring(arg2)) |
| 23:29.15 | alestane | Gnarfoz: The globals still get set AFAIK, but none of the default UI routines use them in my understanding. |
| 23:29.42 | |pez| | Grr, I hate when people have to tell me I'm not doing enough, when I feel I just made a step in the right direction. |
| 23:29.51 | Gnarfoz | alestane: well, the filter works as I'd expect it to. the filters still only get called with arg1, so filtering on anything but the message itself would be impossible right now if it weren't for the globals |
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| 23:30.33 | alestane | But the filter is a routine you created? |
| 23:30.54 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 23:31.31 | |Jelly| | ~hug |pez| |
| 23:31.31 | purl | ACTION jumps into |pez|'s lap and huggles and *hugs* |pez| |
| 23:31.38 | Gnarfoz | using http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter as a reference |
| 23:32.01 | Gnarfoz | damn, my /dnd flagged tester went offline >_> |
| 23:32.15 | MentalPower | Gnarfoz: can you try what I suggested earlier? |
| 23:32.30 | Gnarfoz | MentalPower: yeah, on that right now, just need a test subject :> |
| 23:32.44 | |pez| | ~hug room |
| 23:32.45 | purl | ACTION jumps into room's lap and huggles and *hugs* room |
| 23:32.56 | |pez| | actually |
| 23:33.25 | alestane | |pez|: you are content? |
| 23:33.25 | Cidan | Shirik: Somebody set us up the bomb. |
| 23:33.28 | Gnarfoz | MentalPower: http://ace.pastey.net/102096 |
| 23:33.29 | Cidan | Shirik: We get signal. |
| 23:33.36 | Shirik | main screen turn on? |
| 23:34.02 | |pez| | alestane: still kinda angry/frustrated/sad, but otherwise I'm content. |
| 23:34.10 | MentalPower|AFK | Gnarfoz: I'm guessing the Venara are the arg2 contents? |
| 23:34.16 | |pez| | I hugged the whole room, that should be good enough to last a while. |
| 23:34.23 | Gnarfoz | MentalPower|AFK: yes :) |
| 23:34.53 | MentalPower|AFK | I'll check on it, but arg2 should not be there afaik |
| 23:34.55 | MentalPower|AFK | later |
| 23:35.05 | Gnarfoz | it's clearly there, but cya =) |
| 23:37.04 | alestane | Gnarfoz: Have you identified some place where the filter is being called with a2 == nil? |
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| 23:43.07 | Gnarfoz | alestane: no, I don't think so. this was all about that filter working on its own but not with prat-3.0 present. sylv already changed stuff, so I guess this topic is kind of "through" by now. with prat there, that filter would suppress *all* DND/AFK messages, even the first one. which confuses me, because that would mean... something that can't happen really, because data shouldn't already contain *anything* at that point. |
| 23:44.07 | alestane | Because all that code actually says is, "If a2 is nil or false, use arg2 instead." |
| 23:44.58 | Gnarfoz | well, a2 will be nil until the day the ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter filters are being called with filter(msg, sender, etc) |
| 23:45.18 | Gnarfoz | right now, I expect it to "failover" to arg2 |
| 23:45.40 | Gnarfoz | which contains the sender right now, even though you're saying it shouldn't :O |
| 23:45.44 | Gnarfoz | (like it did in 2.4) |
| 23:46.26 | alestane | As far as I know, the global arg values are still being set for scripts and events. But there should be no stock UI code left that refers to them. |
| 23:47.07 | alestane | They're only there to ease the transition for legacy code. |
| 23:47.12 | Gnarfoz | that's possible, but besides the point, until all functionality they provide is converted to function calls, right? |
| 23:47.40 | Gnarfoz | because if you took away globals for this scenario right now, you would be limited to filtering on just message content |
| 23:48.18 | alestane | I confess not to being very familiar with the chat systems...my specialty is secure action frames. |
| 23:49.21 | Gnarfoz | ah, I was certain I read your name before somewhere =) |
| 23:49.42 | Cidan | uhm |
| 23:49.44 | Cidan | a question |
| 23:50.27 | Cidan | the expirationTime return value for UnitBuff |
| 23:50.33 | Cidan | uh... is returning a really large number |
| 23:50.40 | Cidan | Is it... broken? |
| 23:50.51 | alestane | Cidan: What are you expecting? |
| 23:50.51 | Gnarfoz | what kind of size number do you expect? |
| 23:50.54 | Cidan | oh ho |
| 23:50.56 | Cidan | nevermind |
| 23:51.01 | Cidan | it's not time left in seconds |
| 23:51.06 | Cidan | it's when it actually expires |
| 23:51.14 | Cidan | neevverrmind |
| 23:51.19 | alestane | It should be the value that GetTime() will return when it's expiring. |
| 23:51.27 | Cidan | Yeah, just saw that |
| 23:51.29 | Cidan | I was like |
| 23:51.35 | Cidan | wtf, 37738 seconds? |
| 23:51.52 | alestane | lua> 37738 / 3600 |
| 23:51.52 | lua_bot | alestane: 10.482777777778 |
| 23:52.02 | alestane | In ten hours? |
| 23:53.02 | Cidan | no no |
| 23:53.18 | Cidan | it's expirationTime - GetTime() |
| 23:53.22 | alestane | I'm agreeing that that would seem odd. |
| 23:53.59 | alestane | Because duration == the total duration to cast to expiration. |
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