| 00:00.38 | Lunessa | Wobin, Xparky work ok in Wrath? |
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| 00:02.18 | WobWork | no idea |
| 00:02.22 | WobWork | I've yet to get it |
| 00:02.32 | WobWork | probably be the first thing I work on though =P |
| 00:02.41 | WobWork | Lunessa: try the wowi version |
| 00:03.11 | Lunessa | I'll give it a go later. As much as I like Dominos the XP bar is somewhat lacking. |
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| 00:20.18 | kd3 | eesh |
| 00:20.20 | kd3 | 439 queue |
| 00:20.27 | kd3 | even after the free transfers off 2 weeks ago |
| 00:20.45 | ReAn | which server? |
| 00:22.02 | kd3 | medivh |
| 00:22.50 | NightHawkTheSane | >< 411 queue on whisperwind. and we had free transfers off a weekish ago too |
| 00:23.21 | Lunessa | No queues on my server. |
| 00:23.53 | p3lim | Where is the entrance to Ahn'kahet located? |
| 00:24.22 | ReAn | east dragonblight |
| 00:24.29 | NightHawkTheSane | in the same cave as the entrace to azjol'nerub |
| 00:27.46 | Industrial | http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/296681/4a5ecd88/dumpert_kids_teevee.html |
| 00:27.48 | Industrial | hahaha |
| 00:27.50 | Industrial | thats the best |
| 00:27.51 | Industrial | haha |
| 00:28.39 | NightHawkTheSane | thats hilarious |
| 00:28.59 | ReAn | p3lim: http://wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Interactive_Northrend_Map |
| 00:29.17 | ReAn | check "Dungeons" |
| 00:30.42 | p3lim | ReAn: didnt help me much |
| 00:30.54 | p3lim | can only find Azjol Nerub (the lowbie instance) there |
| 00:31.09 | ReAn | the non-lowbie one is in the same place |
| 00:31.42 | NightHawkTheSane | you're not looking hard enough |
| 00:31.49 | Lunessa | http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/11/four-reasons-to.html |
| 00:31.59 | foxlit | And I've made it to outland |
| 00:32.19 | foxlit | (at 60, woo!) |
| 00:32.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: interesting article, but a brief skim tells me it's pretty superfluous for most of us here |
| 00:32.57 | Lunessa | I just thought it was interesting to see Wired, which prides itself on setting trends to be chasing this one. |
| 00:33.30 | foxlit | "...each Death Knight begins life at level 50..." |
| 00:33.36 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, hasn't wired done a number of articles & interviews on wow, and esp the expansion already? |
| 00:33.42 | NightHawkTheSane | or am i misremembering |
| 00:33.49 | p3lim | ok we are blind lol |
| 00:34.00 | Lunessa | They're cluess dweebs. |
| 00:34.41 | WobWork | slow news week maybe =P |
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| 00:40.18 | Lunessa | Ok, NOW I'm pissed. |
| 00:40.50 | Lunessa | This woman QUIT here last month. And she didn't take any of her data with her, and she keeps demanding more and more and more work from me. |
| 00:41.18 | Duman | suggest she GTFO |
| 00:41.23 | Duman | and STFU |
| 00:41.50 | Lunessa | Lady, you don't work here any more, and i'm not obligated to assist you in any way. I've already gone beyond the call of politness, so GTFO. |
| 00:42.02 | Duman | CALL OF POINTLESS |
| 00:42.07 | Duman | oh politeness |
| 00:42.11 | Duman | well, maybe pointless works, too |
| 00:42.13 | Duman | I dunno |
| 00:42.16 | Duman | depends what she was asking for |
| 00:42.31 | Duman | I need to stop trying to read shit when I'm flipping screens :) |
| 00:44.01 | Dewin | My HD has been grinding for the last 10 minutes and I'd really like to know why. >.> |
| 00:44.22 | NightHawkTheSane | it's at a rave? |
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| 00:44.54 | Dewin | Any idea on how to tell what's causing it? |
| 00:45.07 | kd3 | three-finger-salute and reboot? |
| 00:45.17 | NightHawkTheSane | a rave? i'd check for techno music and flashing lights |
| 00:45.17 | Dewin | don't think it'd help |
| 00:45.35 | Dewin | I think there's some scheduled task that's runinng but it doesn't seem to be consuming any CPU just disk |
| 00:46.13 | Lunessa | I mean, how the fuck dumb to you have to be to wait 3 weeks and then say "HEY! I need mah mailz, calender, and my peeps lists, bitches!" |
| 00:46.15 | Duman | dewin: probably the windoze search indexer |
| 00:46.18 | Duman | I hate that shit |
| 00:46.22 | Dewin | Indexing service disabled |
| 00:46.38 | Duman | what's running? any 'real' apps at all? |
| 00:46.55 | jaxdahl | did people QQ about queues yet? |
| 00:47.56 | Dewin | Duman: A fair number of real apps, but none should be responsible |
| 00:48.38 | Dewin | oddly my defragmenter shows in the list, but it also swears it's not doing anything. |
| 00:49.16 | Duman | clearly it lies |
| 00:49.40 | Duman | GilneasNormalMax (Queued) |
| 00:49.42 | Duman | boo. |
| 00:49.46 | Duman | I wonde rhow bad it is |
| 00:49.58 | Dewin | and only at 672 MB PF usage so it's not sweap-thrash |
| 00:50.01 | Dewin | swap* |
| 00:51.25 | Industrial | Cairenn: http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/29468/7704fa35/glazenwasser.html |
| 00:51.26 | Industrial | =D |
| 00:51.31 | Industrial | and now, bed! |
| 00:51.59 | Cairenn | I've seen it before |
| 00:52.07 | Cairenn | and ... OH MY *bites lip* |
| 00:52.28 | Cairenn | fans self |
| 00:52.53 | Cairenn | the kitten is just too damn cute |
| 00:54.23 | Lunessa | Cairenn: The blond in the first chair there? Excellent actress. |
| 00:54.24 | Duman | haha |
| 00:55.00 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm going to go home and kill video game monsters. |
| 00:57.05 | Dewin | .... does windows indexing service index network volumes? |
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| 00:58.04 | Dewin | never mind, it's not on on my wife's computer either. |
| 01:05.19 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: November 13, 2008, 5:00PM PST. |
| 01:05.19 | Shiibot | Want to avoid the Queue? We're offering free character transfers for select realms now! For more information on available realm transfers, please visit the Available Free Realm Transfers post on the forums: https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 01:10.21 | Duman | ALERT |
| 01:10.24 | Duman | KLAXONS |
| 01:10.40 | cog|away | QQ |
| 01:10.50 | cog|away | short for QueueQueue |
| 01:10.53 | Dewin | where the heck is the post? heh. |
| 01:11.13 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: /agree |
| 01:14.39 | Duman | the alert page? :) |
| 01:14.53 | Dewin | No, I meant the post on the forums it refers to |
| 01:14.59 | Dewin | took awhile to find |
| 01:15.12 | Dewin | I'm not transferring unless the whole of SASU does anyways |
| 01:17.10 | WobWork | link to the post? |
| 01:17.32 | jaxdahl | took a while? |
| 01:17.36 | jaxdahl | general->sticky |
| 01:17.40 | jaxdahl | https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12661067880&sid=1 |
| 01:19.08 | Dewin | yeah, I tried realm status first, and there's about 3 topics about various different moves |
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| 01:35.43 | Dewin | #617 in queue... yay! |
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| 01:36.59 | Dewin | eta 15 minutes... and our server is NOT eligible for transfers |
| 01:37.40 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, there'll be queues all over at first |
| 01:38.02 | NightHawkTheSane | would be surprised if they dropped the limit before a queue goes in either |
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| 01:39.21 | Dewin | Our server's been having queues since about ~2 weeks before wotlk |
| 01:39.35 | Dewin | It's not just wotlk, wotlk just made it far worse |
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| 01:40.40 | Dewin | 45 minute wait now |
| 01:41.30 | p3lim | 5x lvl 70 players doing a lvl 75 instance |
| 01:41.35 | p3lim | guess how many wipes? |
| 01:41.35 | Duman | haven't had queues on Gilneas since like 2+ years ago.... |
| 01:42.12 | Dewin | 0? |
| 01:42.54 | kd3 | geez. reports from guildies is that the queue's 1000 deep |
| 01:43.24 | Duman | ugh |
| 01:43.32 | Duman | I should go home, enqueue, and go get dinner |
| 01:45.53 | Cidan | so |
| 01:46.01 | Cidan | I really dig the DK intro thing |
| 01:46.06 | Cidan | That == really nice. |
| 01:47.41 | Dewin | I like my DK :) |
| 01:47.49 | Dewin | well, how she looks anyways |
| 01:47.49 | Cidan | I do too |
| 01:48.00 | Cidan | I like blood spec, thus far |
| 01:48.06 | Dewin | Finally I can level a draenei chick and not have to deal with defective elekk turd. |
| 01:48.28 | Dewin | I've basically walked up to... umm.. the first quest giver (don't want to spoil it) and accepted the quest, that's about all I've done on her |
| 01:48.44 | Shirik | hi Cidan |
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| 01:51.04 | Dewin | If you log out to change characters you don't have to wait in the queue again ,right? |
| 01:51.06 | Corrodias | draenei girls are best girls |
| 01:51.23 | Dewin | http://i34.tinypic.com/10z0ci1.jpg ftw. |
| 01:51.47 | Corrodias | no starting weapon? |
| 01:51.55 | SagivSaffi | nope |
| 01:51.59 | SagivSaffi | you gotta earn it |
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| 01:52.11 | Corrodias | oh yeah, how did they handle the whole runeblade issue? |
| 01:52.14 | SagivSaffi | also it teaches u how to rune which is how u "earn" it |
| 01:52.16 | Corrodias | i know nothing about their weapons |
| 01:52.39 | NightHawkTheSane | when map mods have a mouse-over sub-zone text, where do they get that data from? is it just hard coded into the mod? |
| 01:52.42 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Starting_a_death_knight |
| 01:54.13 | Corrodias | that doesn't explain, however, how DK weapons work |
| 01:54.38 | Corrodias | did they just ditch the "death knights get one runeblade and that's it" concept? |
| 01:55.04 | SagivSaffi | yeah |
| 01:55.11 | SagivSaffi | i have a runed greataxe |
| 01:55.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: they work like every other classes weapon |
| 01:55.28 | Corrodias | so...that's a yes |
| 01:55.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: they get the ability to add enchants whatever weapon they're using, that behave like any other permanent enchant, except self-only |
| 01:56.02 | Corrodias | ah, interesting |
| 01:56.09 | NightHawkTheSane | not terribly :P |
| 01:56.32 | NightHawkTheSane | its basically just a free somewhat unique weapon enchant. it's neat, definitely, but *shrug* |
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| 01:58.28 | NeoTron | it's nice |
| 01:58.41 | NeoTron | but not amazing |
| 01:58.53 | NeoTron | definitely money saving though, esp when changing weapons often during leveling |
| 01:59.02 | NeoTron | although they left the real good one until 70 now |
| 01:59.58 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, but thats fairly reasonable, and still gives you 70-80 with it |
| 02:00.01 | NightHawkTheSane | 55-60 is pretty fast |
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| 02:03.29 | Kraps_ | how do you get the regular map when using carbonite? |
| 02:04.55 | ScytheBlade1 | So aside from long queues |
| 02:05.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Everyone has a stable server, yes? |
| 02:05.41 | kd3 | ya |
| 02:05.46 | kd3 | just a few quest bugs in HF |
| 02:05.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm really impressed |
| 02:06.22 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean after beta's.. "stability"? :p |
| 02:08.24 | Tekkub | the cute tuskarrs don't say anything when I poke their bellahs |
| 02:09.28 | Shirik | quick: Recommend a 6 pack that I should be able to get a publix |
| 02:09.37 | Kraps_ | doublewide + lightheaded = profit |
| 02:09.37 | kd3 | bud light? |
| 02:09.40 | NightHawkTheSane | fat tire? |
| 02:09.41 | Shirik | a good one |
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| 02:09.46 | kd3 | bud light? |
| 02:09.47 | NightHawkTheSane | oh wiat, you're probably not in their distro area |
| 02:10.08 | Shirik | bud light is actually good? |
| 02:10.15 | NightHawkTheSane | no, it's not |
| 02:10.30 | Shirik | damn you kd3 |
| 02:11.15 | cogwheel | heh... Death's Breach is even more crowded than it was on Beta when Northrend was unstable |
| 02:11.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: sam adams isn't bad.. |
| 02:11.23 | kd3 | I'm a cheap ass college-aged student |
| 02:11.28 | kd3 | I like bud light |
| 02:11.37 | cogwheel | bud light isn't beer imo |
| 02:11.51 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: what, no pbr? :p |
| 02:11.53 | cogwheel | well, it's more beer than coors light i suppose |
| 02:12.20 | Shirik | I don't care about costs right now |
| 02:12.29 | Shirik | sam adams? |
| 02:12.40 | NightHawkTheSane | guiness is quite good as well, and fairly widely available |
| 02:12.49 | kd3 | nhts; ick |
| 02:12.55 | NightHawkTheSane | although i'm not personally fond of that bottled/canned |
| 02:13.03 | cogwheel | I second fat tire |
| 02:13.09 | Shirik | wtf is fat tire |
| 02:13.19 | NightHawkTheSane | A beer by New Belgium Brewery |
| 02:13.23 | Shirik | ok I'll go look for this "fat tire" followed by sam adams |
| 02:13.28 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: I'm not sure if they distribute out in florida, though |
| 02:13.37 | cogwheel | Their 1554 is also really good but it's a lot stronger |
| 02:13.45 | NightHawkTheSane | and even if they do, it's probably 50/50 if publix has it |
| 02:13.50 | NightHawkTheSane | <3 1554 |
| 02:13.52 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: i found them in texas when we were there earlier this year |
| 02:14.04 | cogwheel | but texas is pretty big on beer too |
| 02:14.11 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, texas is not florida though, its arguably closer to colerado |
| 02:14.13 | NightHawkTheSane | colorado? |
| 02:14.23 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 02:15.36 | Tekkub | CO? |
| 02:15.37 | Tekkub | huh? |
| 02:18.55 | kd3 | whee. even with HF having a few broken quests... still got the achievement |
| 02:19.54 | Sargeras_ | gratz kd3 |
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| 02:22.58 | Sargeras_ | oh baby |
| 02:23.30 | Sargeras____ | mine's longer |
| 02:23.32 | Cairenn | hey sweetie :) |
| 02:24.12 | Sargeras | oh my |
| 02:24.37 | Sargeras | it's not the size that counts, its how yo..... oh who am I kiddinhg |
| 02:26.17 | Cairenn | contrary to pornos, most of us really don't want a guy that's hung like a complete horse, that's just pain :p |
| 02:29.34 | ZorbaTHut | now you too can have wedding tackle the size of a boat anchor! girls will love it! |
| 02:30.04 | Cairenn | yeaah ... |
| 02:30.23 | WobWork | DeathKnight Snuusnuu |
| 02:34.07 | Corrodias | perfect |
| 02:37.57 | Shirik | note to self: Attempting to twist off a cap which is not twist-off is painful |
| 02:38.14 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed it is |
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| 02:39.59 | Shirik | Connected. |
| 02:40.05 | Shirik | Still connected. |
| 02:40.19 | Shirik | Connected but I ain't lettin ya get to character screen muahahaa. |
| 02:40.22 | Shirik | Connected. |
| 02:42.06 | Tem | uh |
| 02:42.08 | Tem | wtf? |
| 02:42.13 | Tem | my server has a 1h queue? |
| 02:42.28 | Tem | we haven't had a queue on Garona since 2005 |
| 02:43.59 | Sargeras | mine did too |
| 02:44.05 | Sargeras | 1000+ queue |
| 02:44.12 | mikma | wobwork: damn you! |
| 02:44.36 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, WW's queue is up above 1k |
| 02:45.48 | kd3 | heh. they're offering free transfers again |
| 02:45.55 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12661067880&sid=1 |
| 02:46.11 | WobWork | mikma: ? |
| 02:46.32 | WobWork | hehe, well I just thought of it, sorry =) |
| 02:46.50 | mikma | :D |
| 02:47.16 | mikma | wobwork: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Snusnu |
| 02:48.01 | WobWork | druid though =P |
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| 02:48.37 | WobWork | hehe nice lifetime honourable kills thogh |
| 02:48.42 | WobWork | now you can never pvp ever again |
| 02:50.32 | mikma | oh, nice, but i will anyway :D |
| 02:54.10 | Shiibot | Tem |
| 02:54.18 | Shiibot | The matrix has you |
| 02:55.07 | Tem | Shiibot, THE GAME |
| 02:55.11 | Tem | YOU JUST LOST IT |
| 02:55.33 | Tem | (actually, does that make me Neo?) |
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| 02:56.57 | WobWork | no cause the matrix -used- to have him |
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| 03:09.11 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: when is your order supposedly arriving? (And what shipping did you select?) |
| 03:12.45 | Mundy- | anyone recommend a good XP per hour LDB mod |
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| 03:15.16 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: I chose one-day, UPS has a record of it leaving Delaware about 15 minutes ago. |
| 03:15.21 | bleeter | it never gets old 'trade: randomplayer: HOW DO I GET TO NORTHREND?? trade: me: practice!" |
| 03:15.54 | WobWork | practice? |
| 03:16.05 | bleeter | the old 'how do you get to carnegie hall' joke :P |
| 03:16.17 | WobWork | oh |
| 03:19.33 | Shirik | screw guitar hero |
| 03:19.35 | Shirik | it hates me |
| 03:19.52 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 03:20.03 | Shirik | 97% fucking completed |
| 03:20.09 | Shirik | on like an 8 minute song |
| 03:20.24 | |Jelly| | You know what that means, right? |
| 03:20.29 | Shirik | I suck? |
| 03:20.31 | bleeter | it means Shirik sucks |
| 03:20.34 | bleeter | PACHING |
| 03:20.35 | |Jelly| | ~failrik |
| 03:20.36 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 03:20.43 | Cidan | Guitar Hero is for losers |
| 03:20.47 | Cidan | Learn to play the real thing FFS |
| 03:20.57 | bleeter | why do you think he's playing it? |
| 03:20.58 | Shirik | If I were an ircop I would k-line you all right now |
| 03:21.07 | bleeter | QQ MOAR NUBBOCK! :P |
| 03:21.15 | Shirik | how's the queue on Eredar? |
| 03:21.18 | Cidan | You don't play GH to get better at a guitar, it plays NOTHING like one |
| 03:21.22 | Cidan | No queue. |
| 03:21.25 | Shirik | I play Cello |
| 03:21.27 | Shirik | no reason to learn guitar |
| 03:21.37 | |Jelly| | Queue on Burning Legion: 25 minutes position 492. |
| 03:21.38 | Cidan | D= Guitar > Cello |
| 03:21.40 | bleeter | i pla the fool |
| 03:21.44 | Shirik | fu |
| 03:21.53 | cogwheel | Shirik: QQ now, QueueQueue later |
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| 03:23.24 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: "SHIPPER TENDERED THE SHIPMENT TO UPS AFTER THE LATEST PICKUP TIME FOR THE REQUESTED SERVICE. A DAY DELAY IS LIKELY." |
| 03:23.37 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: Ouch, sorry. |
| 03:23.49 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: It's better than me |
| 03:24.02 | Shirik | "YOU ARRIVED AT MAIL CENTER TWO MINUTES TOO LATE WE CLOSED NOW LOLOLOLOLOL" |
| 03:24.27 | Shirik | Cidan: No player named 'Cidan' is currently playing. |
| 03:26.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: chances are evidently good I'll get it Monday despite paying for next-day shipping. |
| 03:31.09 | alestane | At the risk of being a wise-ass, you paid for next-day delivery, which UPS will still try and back up. But you also got next-day shipping rather than same-day shipping, because your order was near the end of the line. |
| 03:31.46 | ZorbaTHut | I just went and picked it up at the local Gamestop. |
| 03:32.00 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: This is Amazon? |
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| 03:34.04 | Shirik | So if you crash |
| 03:34.09 | Shirik | do you have to wait the queue again? |
| 03:34.17 | kd3 | if you get in quickly enough, no |
| 03:34.56 | Shirik | quickly enough is measured in seconds? minutes? |
| 03:35.05 | WobWork | http://www.theminiatureworldsshow.co.uk/tessafarmer/index.html |
| 03:35.12 | kd3 | minutes |
| 03:35.19 | kd3 | 2-3ish |
| 03:36.57 | bleeter | I tend to get the feeling, from Oceanic experience, it's around 2-3 mins. yes. |
| 03:37.13 | bleeter | 'coz lord knows we had long queues and lots of crashes after 2.4.0's release |
| 03:37.30 | Shirik | http://wine.woot.com/ <-- confused |
| 03:37.34 | Shirik | how is that wine again? |
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| 03:39.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: yes |
| 03:39.18 | Shirik | wtf did you do? |
| 03:39.21 | Shirik | They delivered mine today |
| 03:39.25 | Shirik | i.e., they shipped it yesterday |
| 03:39.26 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: Yeah, I know. :( |
| 03:39.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I ordered a CE + Regular |
| 03:39.44 | Shirik | I ordered a CE, I don't see why it should be any different :/ |
| 03:39.47 | Shirik | I ordered in September though |
| 03:39.51 | ScytheBlade1 | If you have both in the same order, release day shipping isn't available |
| 03:39.54 | Shirik | ah |
| 03:39.56 | Shirik | that sucks |
| 03:39.58 | ScytheBlade1 | For whatever brain dead reason |
| 03:40.07 | Shirik | You probably should have called them and asked |
| 03:40.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I did |
| 03:40.12 | Shirik | It may have been an automated thing |
| 03:40.15 | Shirik | really? |
| 03:40.18 | ScytheBlade1 | And they said "it will be automatically upgraded" |
| 03:40.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I called again today |
| 03:40.22 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:40.24 | ScytheBlade1 | They said otherwise |
| 03:40.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Sooo |
| 03:40.38 | Shirik | complain to manager! |
| 03:40.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I may |
| 03:40.48 | ScytheBlade1 | If it gets here tomorrow I won't |
| 03:40.54 | ScytheBlade1 | If it doesn't I will not be pleased |
| 03:41.53 | Shirik | we should petition for an offiical "Addon author" flag on accounts so that we can log in without queue *grin* |
| 03:46.05 | Shirik | I think I'm going to invent a programming language |
| 03:46.08 | Shirik | and ^_^ will be a valid operator |
| 03:46.17 | Shirik | built-in |
| 03:46.55 | cogwheel | Emoticode |
| 03:47.10 | Shirik | Already got it working in C++ |
| 03:47.12 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: Shirik actually used ^_^ in C recently |
| 03:47.16 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: do you know of a GetSellValue() db thats been updated for wrath? |
| 03:47.19 | Shirik | But want it built-in |
| 03:47.34 | Shirik | In our robot, a ^_^ b means assert(a != b) |
| 03:49.54 | cogwheel | how long does it take to get fully rested? |
| 03:50.14 | Shirik | usually takes me 12 hours or so |
| 03:50.15 | alestane | A month and half, I think? |
| 03:50.17 | Shirik | most doctors say 8 |
| 03:50.25 | cogwheel | ~failrik |
| 03:50.26 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 03:50.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Few days |
| 03:50.52 | Shirik | it's gotta be more than a few days |
| 03:51.03 | cogwheel | and it's gotta be less than a month and a half... |
| 03:51.07 | alestane | Depends what you mean by fully rested. |
| 03:51.18 | ScytheBlade1 | 150% of a level rested |
| 03:51.21 | cogwheel | as in a level and a half's worth of rested xp |
| 03:51.22 | Shirik | I expect it to be a couple of weeks |
| 03:51.29 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not a couple of weeks |
| 03:51.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm almost entirely certain it's no more than a week |
| 03:51.45 | Shirik | I'm pretty certain it isn't |
| 03:51.52 | alestane | Enough rest to play out your next session without running down? Not long. Enough rest that you stop accumulating? It might actually be more like a week and a half. |
| 03:51.59 | cogwheel | I wonder what level you'd be at the end of the DK questline if you spent the whole time rested... |
| 03:52.33 | Yssaril | cogwheel: not that much further cause most of your xp is from quests not kills i think |
| 03:52.38 | cogwheel | true |
| 03:53.33 | Yssaril | love how the deathknight goul pet changes name everytime i summon him :) i currently am running around with Braingobbler |
| 03:55.13 | NightHawkTheSane | note to self: watch where you jump off when you have slow fall effects. |
| 03:58.43 | keias | lol Braingobbler is an awesome name |
| 03:58.52 | keias | I always get lame stuff like "Ribmuncher" |
| 04:02.47 | WobWork | http://adsoftheworld.com/media/print/nutrecan_senior?size=_original |
| 04:02.49 | WobWork | oh god |
| 04:02.54 | WobWork | ad is -so- wrong =P |
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| 04:08.12 | Shirik | going to sleep, night |
| 04:08.17 | NightHawkTheSane | night |
| 04:14.31 | mikma | how can i create a script to take all items from mail nr.1? |
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| 04:31.52 | Pytlask | Can anybody suggest a good non-combat pet addon to summon my Frosty every time he's gone? |
| 04:33.33 | mikma | click c -> select pets tab -> select minions -> find frosty -> click summon . repeat, profit. |
| 04:33.56 | Pytlask | Thank you mikma. That was very helpful :P |
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| 04:35.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd look at kennel and modify it to do what you want |
| 04:40.21 | mikma | the one who looks, finds |
| 04:40.41 | mikma | i've seen addon for that shit in wowi |
| 04:40.51 | Pytlask | No, there isn't :P |
| 04:41.00 | mikma | yes, there is. |
| 04:41.04 | Pytlask | Some are fairly close, but none great |
| 04:41.20 | mikma | dont get one is my advice |
| 04:41.20 | Pytlask | at least with exactly what I want |
| 04:41.36 | NightHawkTheSane | when in doubt, do it yourself :p |
| 04:41.40 | mikma | it'll just make you have unexpected GCD and surprises |
| 04:42.52 | mikma | thats what kennel did to me, summoned minipets while fishing, summoned minipet after unmounting just before shaping to cat and prowling (GCD surprise anyone?) |
| 04:43.04 | NightHawkTheSane | s/did/does/ |
| 04:44.00 | NightHawkTheSane | it's a fairly dumb and straightforward test in kennel, definitely has the potential to cause issues, although i've yet to have a major problem |
| 04:44.11 | ZorbaTHut | it'd be easy enough to fix those issues |
| 04:44.21 | mikma | did, because i removed it |
| 04:44.48 | ZorbaTHut | don't summon pet within 5 seconds of any action, for example |
| 04:45.03 | Pytlask | ZorbaTHunt: yah, but you can't predict what the player will do |
| 04:45.12 | Pytlask | so they may be about to cast something |
| 04:45.29 | mikma | my own simple code that changes correct tracking on causes me GCD surprises, and those i can handle |
| 04:45.38 | mikma | but the minipet-madness was too much |
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| 04:45.53 | ZorbaTHut | you can't, but you can do a reasonably good job of avoiding when the player is likely to do something |
| 04:46.00 | ZorbaTHut | don't summon when a hostile target is targeted, for example |
| 04:47.01 | Pytlask | Here's another idea: when is a pet dismissed? Logout (summon it on PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD), port (often can be done with PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD), death (summon it on rez), and... anything else? |
| 04:47.17 | ZorbaTHut | I've heard that some pets self-dismiss randomly |
| 04:47.28 | |Jelly| | mist = super annoying |
| 04:48.11 | bleeter | quest items that need to be collected within the mist but sit about 2 yards outside mist -> most annoying |
| 04:49.11 | Cidan | So where has blizzard said they are doing dual specs? |
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| 04:49.46 | bleeter | think it's buried somewhere in some forum post |
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| 04:49.59 | bleeter | that they'd like to be able to, and are trying different stuffs |
| 04:50.06 | ZorbaTHut | cidan, blizzcon, I think |
| 04:50.10 | Codex| | anyone having the problem with ATSW that you can link recipes, but not the actual item? |
| 04:50.10 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.gamerstube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=8327b71e894c52e76eee |
| 04:50.17 | bleeter | yeah, might've been at blizzcon |
| 04:50.18 | Lukian | Cidan, should be in 3.1 |
| 04:50.29 | ZorbaTHut | codex, oh yes |
| 04:50.30 | Tekkub | damnit, I thought they made all those "go kill this named guy" quests so that the mob dropped an item everyone could interact with |
| 04:50.43 | Codex| | zorba: any quick fix? |
| 04:50.47 | ZorbaTHut | I've heard there are some improved plugins that don't do that, but I haven't looked at 'em yet |
| 04:50.51 | Tekkub | but noooooo it's a big friggin game of "who can tag first" still |
| 04:50.59 | ZorbaTHut | there's like a crafting doublewide |
| 04:51.30 | ZorbaTHut | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/double-wide-trade-skills.aspx <-- not as capable as ATSW unfortunately |
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| 04:52.03 | ZorbaTHut | looks like ATSW may be fixed though |
| 04:52.05 | ZorbaTHut | updated 4 days ago |
| 04:52.44 | Seerah | there's Skillet |
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| 04:53.11 | Anaral | Or even Lil'Sparky's clone of Skillet. |
| 04:54.07 | bleeter | Tekkub: there's a few that've changed that way. though yeah I do note a few aren't :/ |
| 04:54.45 | Tekkub | I meant the new NR quests, I thought they were all like that |
| 04:55.07 | Tekkub | instead of "kill joe" it was "kill joe and loot the thing he drops" |
| 04:56.20 | bleeter | lol <Theres a gnome in my soup> |
| 04:56.29 | Tekkub | that's a good one |
| 05:00.38 | WobWork | =( |
| 05:00.55 | WobWork | They -say- they're backburning... |
| 05:01.00 | WobWork | but it looks like a fire to me |
| 05:01.04 | mikma | tekkub: yah, i just use a /targer mobname /cast Moonfire and keep hitting that like crazy in prowl |
| 05:01.24 | Tekkub | nah I'm not too worried about it |
| 05:01.38 | Tekkub | I hit Divine Storm if I really need to |
| 05:01.39 | mikma | tekkub: freaking hate that everyone is stealing your questmoba |
| 05:01.52 | WobWork | hehe, as a boomkin I -loved- farming the undead in the latest event |
| 05:01.54 | Tekkub | just annoyed that those quests even exist anymore when they found a better way to do them |
| 05:02.02 | WobWork | -noone- can beat a boomkin for tagging an entire camp at a time |
| 05:02.13 | mikma | true |
| 05:03.05 | mikma | the whole "kill a mob" thing is stupid, why not "kill a mob or aid someone to kill it" |
| 05:03.22 | WobWork | that's what I liked about WAR's PQs |
| 05:03.44 | WobWork | anyone who aided in the battle was given a chance at the loot |
| 05:04.24 | mikma | well why not make the mobs just drop a chest that contains the q item if you aid the killing |
| 05:04.53 | mikma | and got damn, stealing the veins and herbs |
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| 05:05.06 | mikma | thats something thats driving me mad |
| 05:05.43 | mikma | first come first served should apply |
| 05:05.53 | mikma | touch the herb and its yours |
| 05:10.12 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: i agree, although it'd need some kind of a sane timeout.. otehrwise you could just run around tapping herbs and locking their spawn :p |
| 05:10.31 | mikma | we were killing the trees in nexus' area and many many players were stealing the herbgathering of the mobs i looted |
| 05:11.26 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: well this is the default scenario: you are mining a rich something vein. have veined x2, and a mob spawns and attacks you |
| 05:11.47 | mikma | then another player comed and veins the resxt while you are fighting |
| 05:12.04 | mikma | *THIS is the problem |
| 05:12.38 | NightHawkTheSane | agreed |
| 05:12.40 | mikma | too many tpyos |
| 05:13.06 | mikma | area-lockdown |
| 05:13.06 | NightHawkTheSane | but you need to avoid the situation where someone taps a mine once, or whatever, and then leaves.. if it remains 'locked' to them, that screws everyone else |
| 05:13.18 | mikma | move away 20yards and it opens |
| 05:13.23 | NightHawkTheSane | feh, 5yds :p |
| 05:13.30 | NightHawkTheSane | well.. 10 |
| 05:13.34 | mikma | mobs have kickback |
| 05:13.43 | mikma | i'd still say 20 |
| 05:14.05 | mikma | its 10 to each direction ;) |
| 05:14.11 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i guess. |
| 05:14.23 | NightHawkTheSane | either way, we agree that it needs to 'unlock' :p |
| 05:14.49 | mikma | of course, area/veining it/time of inactivity |
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| 05:16.48 | WobWork | pft |
| 05:16.55 | WobWork | just have every node only be used once |
| 05:17.01 | WobWork | and return the total amount of ore |
| 05:17.03 | mikma | so basicly: start veining first, vein locks to you and stays to you if: a) you enter combat and stay in combat for a long time (it happens) |
| 05:17.23 | mikma | b) you stay in the area and actually vein it |
| 05:17.59 | mikma | but doesnt stay locked if you: hit it once, move away to get another one near |
| 05:18.29 | mikma | or hit it once and wait for something for ie. 20sec without touching the vein |
| 05:18.57 | mikma | and 2 times rule, you cannot lock the vein for more than 2 times in a row |
| 05:20.15 | mikma | i find couple of things really snnoying in wow: |
| 05:20.33 | mikma | 1: super-sensitive and aggressive lowlevel mobs |
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| 05:21.27 | mikma | 2: mobs are too sensitive if you start ie. herbing near them... "hey that dude is stealing our herbs! get him!" |
| 05:21.54 | Seerah | were you not supersensitive and aggressive when you saw a pvp flagged player of the opposite faction run by? |
| 05:22.06 | NightHawkTheSane | no :) |
| 05:22.08 | mikma | PvE =D |
| 05:22.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 05:22.26 | mikma | what he said. |
| 05:22.28 | Seerah | I know, why I said pvp flagged :P |
| 05:22.43 | NightHawkTheSane | why would we flag up and waste time killing him? |
| 05:23.00 | NightHawkTheSane | or, more likely in my case, flag up, only to be killed for it |
| 05:23.10 | Seerah | because you were young and naive and wanted to take on the world |
| 05:23.25 | NightHawkTheSane | no, i don't think i ever did :p |
| 05:23.57 | mikma | case nr. 1 - level 4 mobs seem to aggro further than lvl40 mobs =D |
| 05:24.40 | mikma | they should get a supersense: "oh shi- ... that one is a skull to me" |
| 05:25.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont mind the mobs agroing really. i mind the fact that it basically means the optimal strategy is being an asshole |
| 05:26.05 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, its literally saying "we want you to be a jerk and wait until some schmuck tries to hit the node, agroes the mob, then steal it out from under him" |
| 05:27.53 | mikma | well |
| 05:28.03 | mikma | why are they able to hit you? |
| 05:28.23 | mikma | go and hit a level70 mob as lvl10 and see what happens |
| 05:28.40 | WobWork | Skinning a bear should aggro every bears |
| 05:28.41 | WobWork | in a 40 yard radius. It makes sense, you are actually skinning their best friend. |
| 05:29.16 | mikma | wobwork: and bears should be able to eat grey items and poop diamonds afterward |
| 05:31.24 | mikma | skinning: don't sking bears when tekkub is in 40 yard radius |
| 05:31.25 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom eats grey items and poops diamonds. |
| 05:31.45 | mikma | cool |
| 05:32.07 | mikma | we once talked this same thing with wobwork |
| 05:32.25 | mikma | bears should be able to eat grey stuff |
| 05:32.31 | NightHawkTheSane | didn't they used to be? |
| 05:32.34 | NightHawkTheSane | able to.. |
| 05:32.36 | mikma | "here you go boy, a moldy belt" |
| 05:32.46 | NightHawkTheSane | sentences |
| 05:33.38 | mikma | "om nom nom, a murloc head!" |
| 05:35.12 | Fisker- | 1,5% crit for 3,33% Armor Penetration |
| 05:35.14 | Fisker- | what say you? :3 |
| 05:35.33 | mikma | ney |
| 05:35.39 | bleeter | wut? saurfang doesn't eat pork? |
| 05:35.58 | Fisker- | ney to wat? :3 |
| 05:36.05 | mikma | you! |
| 05:36.07 | NightHawkTheSane | armor pen math makes my head hurt |
| 05:37.51 | Fisker- | For references it's http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38541 vs. http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38084 as a retri paladin :P |
| 05:38.52 | mikma | so we tested the dailies in isle of quel'homo |
| 05:39.15 | mikma | they gave us 8% xp in lvl72 with 0 rested |
| 05:39.45 | mikma | took 20mins+ to complete |
| 05:45.04 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/fingerpori/264/20081103.gif |
| 05:45.28 | mikma | "according to this, davinci invented ie. helicopter! 'wow!' |
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| 05:57.43 | Fisker- | ~wowalert |
| 05:57.43 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US), http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) |
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| 06:10.54 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: There will be rolling restarts of all realms, starting at approximately 07:00, Paris time (CET). Each realm will receive a 15 minute notice prior to being restarted.. . Thank you for your patience and understanding.. . |
| 06:10.54 | Shiibot | 13/11 Free character migration. The following Free Character Migration will be . available from November 13th to November 18th:. . Al'Akir --> Bladefist. Argent Dawn --> Darkmoon Faire. Burning Legion --> Chromaggus |
| 06:10.54 | Shiibot | Frostmane --> Laughing Skull. Grim Batol --> Genjuros. Kazzak --> Karazhan. Magtheridon --> Emeriss. Neptulon --> Shattered Halls. Outland --> Auchindoun. Ravencrest --> Spinebreaker. Stormreaver --> Burning Blade |
| 06:11.09 | Tekkub | SPAMS! |
| 06:12.56 | Yssaril | is it just me or are there random extra . in shiibots spam? |
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| 06:16.00 | sacarasc | there does seem to be, yes |
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| 06:25.38 | Fisker- | Yssaril probably because the realm status is actually OVER NINE THOUSAND lines |
| 06:25.57 | Fisker- | so instead of "line one line two line three" he goes "line one. line two. line three." |
| 06:26.01 | Fisker- | :3? |
| 06:26.45 | Yssaril | makes sense wtb different symbol for linebreaks though then :P |
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| 06:36.44 | bleeter | Shirik|zZz: suggestion. Shiibot's Alert spam. Pastey it, and then push the URL to desired chans ;) |
| 06:38.05 | Wobin | So which end should I start in? |
| 06:38.17 | Yssaril | Wobin: the other one :P |
| 06:38.35 | bleeter | Wobin: the turkey achievement is HF |
| 06:38.41 | Yssaril | i started in the eastern one dont think it matters much |
| 06:38.41 | Wobin | turkey? |
| 06:38.45 | bleeter | which seems to be a good enough reason than any other |
| 06:38.52 | bleeter | slay 15 turkeys in 2 mins or somesuch |
| 06:39.18 | Wobin | actually I'll probably start a DK first |
| 06:39.32 | bleeter | firned or fowl, general achievement. 15 turkeys in 3 mins. gotta do a couple of the subzones, then there's this junction in the roads where all the turkeys are. piece of cake ;) |
| 06:39.36 | bleeter | *friend |
| 06:40.56 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: coords? ;) |
| 06:42.19 | bleeter | no idea |
| 06:42.43 | bleeter | i'm doing borean, been a while since i was on beta |
| 06:43.07 | bleeter | up the road from that place that kinda overlooks the cliffs with the three or four quest giving npcs |
| 06:43.17 | bleeter | something about some kinda suit they make you wear |
| 06:43.24 | bleeter | head down the road to the T junction |
| 06:44.20 | bleeter | if you'd like me to be more vague, just ask ;) |
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| 06:44.38 | NightHawkTheSane | no i think that's vague enough |
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| 06:49.12 | Wobin | I dunno |
| 06:49.16 | Wobin | could you vauge it up a little more? |
| 06:49.29 | Wobin | just in case someone was understanding =) |
| 06:50.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i understand YOUR MOM. |
| 06:50.20 | Wobin | Well, that's one up on my father |
| 06:50.25 | bleeter | look into your belly button |
| 06:50.31 | bleeter | hm |
| 06:50.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: heh, zing. |
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| 06:50.49 | bleeter | 'If you stare long enough into your belly button, your belly button stares back at you' |
| 06:50.58 | Wobin | tht's kinda freaky =( |
| 06:51.04 | bleeter | - Nitzche |
| 06:51.06 | bleeter | (sic) |
| 06:51.22 | Tekkub | I need to get out of SW |
| 06:51.35 | Tekkub | my perifferal vision is fucking with me |
| 06:51.51 | Tekkub | "GET A ROPE!" --> "G..ROPE!" |
| 06:54.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Infinite loop --> stack overflow |
| 06:54.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I win at coding recursive loop |
| 06:58.00 | Tekkub | or maybe, you lose |
| 06:59.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah, dual core processors saves the day |
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| 07:07.46 | Wobin | I can't believe MrPlow still works for some people |
| 07:08.23 | bleeter | I can't believe there's an NPC still, called 'Nork Bloodfrenzy' hahaha ewww |
| 07:10.38 | Tekkub | I can't believe I just hit Valgarde and trained almost every wrath green cut in JC |
| 07:11.26 | Tekkub | also I think they're making up for the green color gems sucking so bad in BC by giving us NINTEEN cuts |
| 07:11.38 | Tekkub | overcompensation much? |
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| 07:14.30 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/flymach.jpg |
| 07:14.36 | Adys | theres no way this was happening in beta |
| 07:14.52 | Tekkub | heh |
| 07:16.57 | Nom- | lol Adys |
| 07:19.26 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: good thing that was not in a RTOS :) |
| 07:21.21 | Wobin | I like the Lich King's voice |
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| 07:30.24 | cog|away | Ω = futile |
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| 07:44.13 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/11/13/funny-pictures-iz-ammacher-stuff-i-maekz-dem-late-for-workz/ |
| 07:45.28 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.35 | ScytheBlade1 | whoops |
| 07:45.45 | ScytheBlade1 | yay irssi stopping me from pasting 20 lines :P |
| 07:47.24 | Thunder_Child | ~queef |
| 07:47.24 | purl | well, queef is do I smell tuna? |
| 07:49.38 | Esamynn | http://xkcd.com/504/ <-- sooooo full of win |
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| 08:13.04 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following Free Character Migration will be . available from November 13th to November 18th:. . Al'Akir --> Bladefist. Argent Dawn --> Darkmoon Faire. Burning Legion --> Chromaggus. Frostmane --> Laughing Skull |
| 08:13.04 | Shiibot | Grim Batol --> Genjuros. Kazzak --> Karazhan. Magtheridon --> Emeriss. Neptulon --> Shattered Halls. Outland --> Auchindoun. Ravencrest --> Spinebreaker. Stormreaver --> Burning Blade. Stormscale --> Boulderfist |
| 08:13.04 | Shiibot | Sylvanas --> Jaedenar. Twilight's Hammer --> Vek'nilash. . Please note that this migration may be closed at . any time should a destination realm's population . rise too high.. . For questions and additional information, please |
| 08:16.52 | End | Just did the Wrathgate quests, but this time for real |
| 08:16.59 | End | they improved it since I did it :P |
| 08:24.37 | Maldivia | they improved it a lot! |
| 08:25.34 | End | yeah |
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| 09:14.21 | Tekkub | anyone got the CE and can make a nice clean bin/cue of the soundtrack for me? |
| 09:21.08 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, dont like mp3's? |
| 09:21.15 | Tekkub | no |
| 09:21.24 | Tekkub | I want an exact copy to FLACify |
| 09:24.01 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 09:24.16 | Thunder_Child | 4x the size for a slight increase in quality |
| 09:24.19 | Tekkub | that a no /sadpanda |
| 09:24.23 | Tekkub | ? |
| 09:28.00 | Thunder_Child | i dont own it yet |
| 09:28.10 | Thunder_Child | it's being sent from irvine |
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| 09:36.58 | Tekkub | I'm so sorry |
| 09:37.20 | sioraiocht | ? |
| 09:37.21 | sioraiocht | about what? |
| 09:37.26 | Tekkub | not you |
| 09:37.33 | sioraiocht | lol |
| 09:37.33 | sioraiocht | i know |
| 09:37.36 | sioraiocht | =p |
| 09:37.38 | Thunder_Child | why, i dont even play anymore |
| 09:38.00 | Tekkub | then what are you doing here? |
| 09:41.53 | Thunder_Child | annoying people |
| 09:42.07 | Thunder_Child | like you |
| 09:47.04 | Tekkub | you're too cute to annoy me |
| 09:47.22 | zenzio | it's worth it to keep TC around just to annoy him with puns |
| 09:47.42 | Tekkub | I just want to poke him in the belly and giggle |
| 09:47.57 | Thunder_Child | i hate you both |
| 09:47.58 | zenzio | that's fine too |
| 09:48.28 | Tekkub | STAY WARM! |
| 09:48.32 | Tekkub | *goes to bed* |
| 09:49.14 | Thunder_Child | ~sleep Tekkub |
| 09:49.14 | purl | ACTION sends Tekkub to bed without supper |
| 09:49.19 | Thunder_Child | ~bed Tekkub |
| 09:49.20 | purl | ACTION tucks Tekkub into a warm bed. |
| 09:49.23 | Thunder_Child | i always get that wrong |
| 09:49.52 | Wobin | probably because you want to sleep him more than you want to bed him |
| 09:50.38 | Thunder_Child | same thing in his mind |
| 09:51.07 | Wobin | Nah, I bet he thinks if he beds you, the last thing you'll be doing is sleeping =) |
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| 09:54.04 | Thunder_Child | im sure it works vice vera for him |
| 09:54.10 | Thunder_Child | versa* |
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| 10:02.45 | Thunder_Child | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 10:02.45 | purl | strangles zenzelezz with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 10:02.50 | Thunder_Child | ~lart zenzio |
| 10:02.50 | purl | slams zenzio against a large cement Tux |
| 10:08.58 | bleeter | heh, barthilas is out to ~850 queue |
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| 10:12.12 | Wobin | hm |
| 10:12.25 | Wobin | I have 8 talent points, and I have no idea where I should put them =P |
| 10:12.36 | Thunder_Child | in talents |
| 10:12.47 | Wobin | That might be the obvious place |
| 10:12.52 | Wobin | but we can't discount other things! |
| 10:13.20 | Thunder_Child | an orifice is not a proper place to put talent points |
| 10:14.22 | Wobin | hm, I might work down blood |
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| 10:16.40 | Thunder_Child | taken with my last comment, i think there is something wrong with you |
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| 10:47.58 | bleeter | wth |
| 10:48.17 | bleeter | feral cat charge... while swimming.. to a target that is also swimming.. can't find a path |
| 10:48.53 | Thunder_Child | because kitty charging while in water makes so much sense |
| 10:49.17 | bleeter | makes more sense than you do :P |
| 10:49.32 | Thunder_Child | touche |
| 10:50.47 | bleeter | most cats I've seen get thrown in water leap out of it, so I don't see the problem really |
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| 10:59.35 | bleeter | no |
| 10:59.45 | Cairenn|afk | apparently not |
| 10:59.54 | Cairenn|afk | either that or everyone has me on their ignore lists |
| 11:00.00 | bleeter | soz, am running around in the murloc suit for the winterfin quest making strange gestures at, and dancing with, opposite factions |
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| 11:00.27 | p3lim | wth someone is 80 already |
| 11:02.52 | bleeter | <Suffers From Wife Aggro> |
| 11:05.06 | Arrowmaster | the vehicle ui is in Blizzard_VehicleUI right? |
| 11:06.00 | Arrowmaster | hmm maybe not |
| 11:06.33 | pompy | dont see one |
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| 11:30.35 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: November 14, 2008, 3:30 AM. |
| 11:30.35 | Shiibot | We will be performing rolling restarts for all non-Oceanic realms beginning at 05:00 AM PST and Oceanic realms beginning at 12:00 PST. Each realm should be affected for no more than 15 minutes, with all restarts completing within approximately one hour. |
| 11:37.09 | bleeter | ffs |
| 11:37.33 | bleeter | 'Oceanic realms beginningat 12:00 PST' useful as tits on a bull |
| 11:38.38 | bleeter | what the HELL is hard about AEDT/AET? |
| 11:38.48 | bleeter | please, can some north american tell me? |
| 11:39.25 | zenzio | is AEDT/AET the same as CEST/CET, or two different time zones? |
| 11:39.29 | bleeter | not to mention, last time they did 12PM... it appeared that they planned for 5AM Oceanic time |
| 11:39.42 | bleeter | then forgot that the summertime difference, and restarted stuff at 7AM |
| 11:40.35 | bleeter | Cairenn|afk: yup, one summertime one not... that might not be the totally correct abbreviation, but you get the idea ;) |
| 11:40.52 | bleeter | mind you |
| 11:40.56 | bleeter | I shouldn't be surprised |
| 11:41.20 | zenzio | btw, I was the one asking :-p |
| 11:41.22 | bleeter | I looked through the Wrath credits list in the book... they have a total of 0 staff across the entire company that have any responsibility to the Oceanic region |
| 11:41.40 | zenzio | really? That sounds wrong |
| 11:41.50 | bleeter | check the book, ask around |
| 11:42.07 | bleeter | they opened an oceanic realms forum after the 2.4.0 disaster to contain Oceanic rage |
| 11:42.40 | bleeter | the only 'non' official (ie, 'blizzcon', 'wrath' notices) thing that Blizz have EVER said to their Oceanic customers since they opened that ~5 months ago |
| 11:42.43 | bleeter | is |
| 11:42.45 | bleeter | FIRST |
| 11:43.10 | Cairenn|afk | you aren't bothering me, trust me |
| 11:43.15 | bleeter | Cairenn|afk: they name other folks as responsible for various regions |
| 11:43.25 | Cairenn|afk | I can't sleep, so having someone talk to me is nice |
| 11:43.32 | Cairenn|afk | notice he did it again? |
| 11:43.32 | bleeter | no staff member is named as specificly responsible |
| 11:43.41 | bleeter | wut? |
| 11:44.00 | Cairenn|afk | chuckles |
| 11:44.05 | bleeter | soz, trying to type and get off the zepp in Borean Tundra |
| 11:44.08 | bleeter | </rant> |
| 11:44.09 | Cairenn|afk | don't worry about it luv, keep babbling |
| 11:45.26 | bleeter | not much more to babble about, Oceanic community development by Blizz is worse than fucked in the head |
| 11:45.51 | bleeter | great game, terribad lies about how they really do care. |
| 11:46.03 | bleeter | and I know that's not the coder's fault ;) |
| 11:46.39 | zenzio | bleeter: it does seem odd that they don't have a better presence in the Oceanic region, I imagine there would be enough customers there to warrant it |
| 11:46.50 | bleeter | the Alert thing is GM and Server Tech, I;ve yelled at them for 18 months. It's hit and miss if we get a local time announced restart. It's not as we have Oceanic realms in 3 timezones, like US realms |
| 11:47.44 | bleeter | zenzio: when any Blizz customer, from any region, says 'Blizz take us for granted' and a CM responds 'No we don't', I always try to respond to Blizz with '*cough* tell that to Oceania' |
| 11:48.03 | bleeter | funnily enough, that seems to shut CMs right up |
| 11:48.05 | zenzio | hehe |
| 11:48.20 | zenzio | they're probably looking up "Oceania" on Wikipedia |
| 11:48.29 | bleeter | the 'we care about all our customers' line is complete BS |
| 11:49.04 | bleeter | this TZ thing for restarts... 18+ months I've been bitching about it, nicely, then firmly, then ranting like this |
| 11:49.05 | Cairenn|afk | http://www.endofworld.net/ |
| 11:49.16 | Cairenn|afk | ^^ is why |
| 11:49.22 | bleeter | how the hell hard can it be to put an extra minor step in the 'procedure manual'? |
| 11:49.24 | Cairenn|afk | you guys are always down there going "wtf mate" |
| 11:49.29 | bleeter | pretty bloody difficult |
| 11:50.28 | zenzio | hm, I can't even remember for sure, but I think Blizzard uses CET for EU, not GMT... thankfully |
| 11:54.30 | bleeter | Maybe US summertime/wintertime changes are... different to Oceanic Summertime/wintertime changes |
| 11:54.46 | bleeter | I mean, hear, we just grab the clock when it's time to change over, and move the hour hand |
| 11:54.50 | bleeter | *here |
| 11:55.01 | bleeter | is there some fancy stuff you North Americans do? |
| 11:55.23 | bleeter | god I shouldn't have to rant over basic customer service 101 |
| 11:55.32 | bleeter | bah, not even 101 shit. it's pre-req for 101 |
| 11:56.03 | zenzio | well, it's possible you adjust your time at different dates than the US, but they should still take care of that |
| 11:56.31 | bleeter | that doesn't explain why we get restarts at 7AM in summer, and the US still manages to get them at 5AM in their summer |
| 11:57.08 | bleeter | I'm seriously trying to think of a technical reason, I'd be happy (well, less ranty) if I could |
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| 12:00.26 | bleeter | hah, and the GM's are talking about their concerns for Oceanic queues |
| 12:00.31 | bleeter | what a crock |
| 12:00.55 | bleeter | if they're concerned, restart at 5AM, not 7AM when folks have got up andstarted logging in |
| 12:01.15 | bleeter | or as I say in my CSF post, does the Oceanic player base *really* sleep in for two more hours? |
| 12:01.59 | zenzio | maybe the Americans think the same about Australians as one of my co-workers do... he swears you're all high all the time |
| 12:02.54 | zenzio | he studied there, and is very keen to go back... I'm suspicious about whether that's related to his beliefs about your narcotics consumption |
| 12:04.20 | bleeter | here's the real kicker... Oceanic for Blizz is Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, NZ, Australia |
| 12:04.49 | bleeter | so they seem to be suggesting that all those country's players alter their sleeping/play habits when Sydney goes into Summertime. |
| 12:08.13 | bleeter | zenzio: as for us Aussies, it might be the attitude to 'authority' that your friend sees |
| 12:08.31 | zenzio | he's just a weirdo :-p |
| 12:08.40 | bleeter | could be that too =)) |
| 12:08.46 | zenzio | at least I didn't see anything particularly odd while I was down there |
| 12:09.37 | bleeter | 'cept for the drop bears and bunyips, yes? ;) |
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| 12:10.53 | bleeter | meh, I'll track down a Community MvP tomorrow and ask them why there's apparently no CM/Locale staff for Oceania |
| 12:11.13 | bleeter | or did I just make some mistake again, Cairenn|afk ? :P |
| 12:11.51 | Cairenn|afk | what we were chuckling at, bleeter, is that you kept responding to zenzio's questions, but saying my name |
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| 12:15.29 | bleeter | oh, bah |
| 12:15.42 | bleeter | I can't even claim typo-tab completion |
| 12:15.44 | Cairenn|afk | it was just amusing, no worries luv |
| 12:15.46 | bleeter | X is in the way |
| 12:15.48 | Cairenn|afk | nope |
| 12:16.14 | zenzio | it's pretty common when you're writing something lengthy on IRC; lines scroll by fast |
| 12:16.22 | zenzio | doesn't even have to be yourself typing |
| 12:17.26 | Cairenn|afk | I can't speak for zenzio, but I was just amused by it, not offended |
| 12:18.25 | bleeter | oh, i thought i'd comitted a real bad faux pas but as you could tell I didn'tcare 'coz I was ranting :) |
| 12:18.54 | Cairenn|afk | heh, nope, you didn't, and you didn't ;) |
| 12:20.23 | bleeter | and to top it off, all Oceanic realms are heavily queued atm. It's not like US realms where there's some low queues and an empty server. Then there's the whole if you want to RP of any type, have to readjust your work/school etc. 'coz there's fuck all in that timezone |
| 12:20.58 | bleeter | which is a complete cockup for an mmoRPG |
| 12:21.23 | bleeter | as I say, on the whole, great game. |
| 12:21.52 | bleeter | but for attitude to customers base/community, a box of fish would be more informative and useful than the current staff |
| 12:29.02 | bleeter | hah, I'm now getting IMs from folks who've seen my rants on CSF/Oceanic Forum |
| 12:29.36 | bleeter | one guy's pointed out we get a special mention in the phone numbers to call Billing on, that's our community management at work |
| 12:31.12 | Wobin | hm |
| 12:31.19 | Wobin | now that I'm all free and everything |
| 12:31.23 | Wobin | I'm kinda at loose ends =P |
| 12:31.27 | Wobin | however, I am level 58 |
| 12:31.31 | Cairenn|afk | you're gonna give yourself a heart attack or stroke or something there luv |
| 12:31.38 | Wobin | so I suppose I can do outlands =P |
| 12:34.18 | Wobin | what are some good DK addons? |
| 12:34.46 | krka | DevTools! |
| 12:35.19 | Cairenn|afk | have a few that are marked as being specifically DK, on WoWI: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat120.html |
| 12:36.31 | bleeter | and if you bitch about the lack of Oceanic CMs, you get told to post to Suggestions that the *developers* read... argh ffs |
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| 12:37.31 | bleeter | god people are dumb... last thing a developer wants to worry about is the day to day management of the product (unless, of course.. well, there are some exceptions I agree but this is balls0 |
| 12:58.22 | Wobin | There's a teleporter to UC from Silvermoon right? |
| 12:58.43 | Wobin | hm |
| 12:58.46 | Wobin | or something |
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| 13:10.03 | leethal | Wobin: yes, outside |
| 13:10.10 | leethal | Wobin: orb of translocation thingie |
| 13:10.49 | Wobin | where does one fish in org for the special fish? |
| 13:12.39 | leethal | the pond where the fishing trainer is |
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| 13:26.04 | Josh_Borke | ~emulate Josh_Borke |
| 13:26.05 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
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| 13:26.29 | AbsoRayne | Yay for restarts! |
| 13:26.40 | Josh_Borke | Cairenn: better watch yourself, i'm a married man now :-P |
| 13:26.44 | AbsoRayne | Now I get to wait in a 1000+ Que when its up! ._. |
| 13:27.06 | Cairenn | Josh_Borke: so? |
| 13:27.21 | Cairenn | and congrats :) |
| 13:27.30 | Josh_Borke | don't want my wife to get any crazy ideas |
| 13:27.45 | Wobin | hm |
| 13:27.49 | Wobin | terribad lootlag |
| 13:27.56 | AbsoRayne | So how far in are you guys? I just hit 73 bout an hour and a half ago |
| 13:27.57 | Wobin | takes about 3min to get an item |
| 13:28.19 | Cairenn | no worries, I think I can restrain myself |
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| 13:30.06 | zenzio | Cairenn has enough other devoted followers to exploit |
| 13:30.25 | Cairenn | no, Cairenn is being good these days |
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| 13:31.09 | zenzio | that's what you want us to think ;-o |
| 13:32.01 | jnwhiteh | Hokay |
| 13:32.01 | jnwhiteh | So |
| 13:32.04 | jnwhiteh | Here is the Earth |
| 13:32.11 | zenzio | lies |
| 13:32.13 | Cairenn | 'sall nice and round |
| 13:32.16 | jnwhiteh | (Damn, that is a sweet Earth you might say), ROUND! |
| 13:32.24 | Josh_Borke | jnwhiteh: you're a liar |
| 13:32.24 | jnwhiteh | <--- I need a guild. |
| 13:32.26 | jnwhiteh | I wrote addons |
| 13:32.34 | jnwhiteh | I pretend to still write them |
| 13:32.39 | jnwhiteh | and I need an EU alliance guild |
| 13:33.24 | zenzio | what sort of guild; friendly/casual, raiding, hardcore raiding? |
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| 13:34.34 | jnwhiteh | zenzio: The guild can be whatever.. but we're more casual |
| 13:34.44 | jnwhiteh | people to talk with, instance, group |
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| 13:34.50 | jnwhiteh | not concerned about progression |
| 13:35.00 | jnwhiteh | concerned with not having idiots |
| 13:35.07 | jnwhiteh | we're in PuReOwNaGe right now |
| 13:35.10 | jnwhiteh | to give you an idea.. |
| 13:35.18 | Wobin | woah |
| 13:35.19 | jnwhiteh | and it should be on a server that doesn't suck as bad as Vek'nilash |
| 13:35.31 | Wobin | ./aadv get all made me dc in IRC =P |
| 13:35.48 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: hawt! |
| 13:35.49 | zenzio | well, I don't really know many servers. Silvermoon-EU is a big alliance PvE server, lots of guilds of different levels |
| 13:36.19 | jnwhiteh | Hrm |
| 13:36.29 | jnwhiteh | are any of the people here in common guilds? |
| 13:36.43 | jnwhiteh | it'd be nice to know a few people wherever we land |
| 13:37.24 | Lopeppeppy | Needing a new guild is pretty popular right now. I have a whole bunch of 50+ that need to be loved yet. |
| 13:37.26 | zenzio | not me at least :-| |
| 13:38.28 | jnwhiteh | Lopeppeppy: yeah that's part of the problem |
| 13:38.33 | jnwhiteh | but we're on just a terrible server |
| 13:38.37 | jnwhiteh | we're willing to pay to go elsewhere |
| 13:38.55 | jnwhiteh | our own damn fault for xferring without doing much research when free migration opened up |
| 13:39.35 | Lopeppeppy | I resisted that. I'll pay to move my toons once I decide what to do with them. |
| 13:43.32 | jnwhiteh | well I had to |
| 13:43.37 | jnwhiteh | the queues were up at 500 people nightly |
| 13:43.42 | jnwhiteh | so I couldn't even log in |
| 13:45.30 | Lopeppeppy | Argent Dawn is going to be like that again as well.... *sigh* I do so hate Argent Dawn. |
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| 13:48.05 | zenzio | peppy: I think it's obvious that you should transfer to some EU realm, particularly mine |
| 13:49.46 | Lopeppeppy | Hard to transfer from US to EU, dear. |
| 13:50.04 | zenzio | excuses! |
| 13:50.44 | Shirik|AFK | Lopeppeppy should transfer to my realm |
| 13:51.01 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 13:51.20 | Shirik|AFK | anyway, I have to go to class |
| 13:51.23 | Shirik|AFK | pray I don't kill someone |
| 13:51.24 | Lopeppeppy | You're the healer, you don't want any of my pathetic healing attempts! |
| 13:51.31 | Lopeppeppy | Off to class, no murdering the sheeple. |
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| 13:58.03 | Kraps | awesome http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20081114 |
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| 14:00.27 | pb_ee1 | Kraps: gigantic lol |
| 14:00.38 | Kraps | ya |
| 14:03.48 | AbsoRayne | http://hdimage.org/images/eokto0wovy83syegd55_ocrnhot111408085606.jpg Wonder if I can get SS of the Week with that |
| 14:04.30 | Lopeppeppy | Worth a try, AbsoRayne. |
| 14:09.03 | Kraps | AbsoRayne: what area is that? |
| 14:09.33 | Lopeppeppy | Near where you do the whole hawk quest line thing? |
| 14:09.55 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: did you meet Peppy yet? |
| 14:10.11 | Kraps | i meant what zone, as i dont have wotlk yet :) |
| 14:10.15 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. All of my 70's are on Argent Dawn and I couldn't get in there last night. |
| 14:10.30 | zenzio | Kraps: looks like the Fjord |
| 14:12.56 | AbsoRayne | Kraps: Grizzly Hills |
| 14:13.28 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
| 14:13.53 | Kraps | speaking of Grizzly Hills, why is everyone so excited about the new realm? |
| 14:14.14 | zenzio | what new realm? |
| 14:14.38 | Kraps | Grizzly Hills |
| 14:14.44 | Kraps | pve |
| 14:15.01 | Lopeppeppy | A brand new realm, when your realm has a 2 hour queue = priceless |
| 14:15.29 | Kraps | ah |
| 14:18.29 | Kraps | "The guy who level to 80 cheated, heres why. " |
| 14:18.38 | Kraps | OH GEEZ |
| 14:18.52 | Kraps | GIVE IT UP ALREADY |
| 14:19.06 | Lopeppeppy | Get over it guys. If you think someone cheated, report them. End of story. |
| 14:20.55 | Wobin | hm |
| 14:21.06 | Wobin | herb/skinning for the easy monies? |
| 14:21.14 | Lopeppeppy | Herb/mining, IMO |
| 14:21.25 | Kraps | er |
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| 14:21.41 | Kraps | you can only track 1 at a time |
| 14:21.57 | Kraps | but if you have gatherer.. |
| 14:22.19 | Lopeppeppy | So use a macro to swap back and forth, put it on one of your mouse buttons? Works fine for me. |
| 14:23.15 | Kraps | i wish i had a <2 button mouse |
| 14:23.30 | Wobin | ore at least benefits from bs and prospecting |
| 14:23.37 | Wobin | as herb does from inscriptions and alchemy |
| 14:23.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 14:24.14 | Lopeppeppy | Whereas leather... meh. Never sold well on any of the realms I've tried to cash-up a lowbie by farming. |
| 14:24.35 | Kraps | not even high level leather? |
| 14:25.50 | Lopeppeppy | "Lowbie". |
| 14:26.06 | Lopeppeppy | I need cash for mounts, so at low levels no, skinning is not worth the effort. |
| 14:26.59 | zenzio | tempted to make a "mount" joke, but it'd be way too easy :-| |
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| 14:27.11 | Lopeppeppy | Selling epic mount for 5K gold? |
| 14:27.28 | zenzio | nope, a word-play on "mount" |
| 14:27.40 | zenzio | what else? You know how my mind works |
| 14:27.47 | Shirik | My professor is a nutcase. He gives us this test by taking stuff we worked on last night and changing things around, leaving us to find the things we need to fix |
| 14:27.50 | Shirik | He puts at the top |
| 14:27.51 | Lopeppeppy | That's what I just did. Referencing a very famous Craigslist ad. |
| 14:28.03 | Shirik | // HA HA HA SOFTWARE GNOMES WUZ HERE. WE HAS REARRANGED YOUR CODE |
| 14:28.19 | Lopeppeppy | LoLcode? |
| 14:28.26 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.38 | Shirik | and then things like these on each line |
| 14:29.08 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.28 | Lopeppeppy | Someone had too much sherry in the marinade last night. |
| 14:29.32 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.46 | zenzio | Shirik: how old is this guy? |
| 14:29.54 | Shirik | 40-50s |
| 14:29.56 | zenzio | sounds like he has a gnome fetish |
| 14:30.01 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 14:30.02 | Shirik | he's also an emacs user |
| 14:30.17 | zenzio | not sure how that matters |
| 14:30.26 | Shirik | makes him evil |
| 14:30.33 | Wobin | by definition |
| 14:30.40 | zenzio | Shirik: you can't spell "evil" without "vi" |
| 14:30.49 | zenzio | nuff said |
| 14:30.50 | Wobin | but you can without emacs |
| 14:30.51 | Kraps | why are all these "zomg wow is an addiction, you're all fanatics and nerds" threads popping up now? |
| 14:30.55 | Wobin | that's what makes it so sneaky |
| 14:30.57 | Wobin | and evil |
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| 14:31.23 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, because someone is mad that their date canceled last night in order to play a game instead. |
| 14:31.24 | zenzio | Kraps: it's the people who wanted to be first to 80 that are having an emofit |
| 14:33.27 | Kraps | i mean, i goes without saying that wow, like anything, should be used in moderation, but generalizing the wow population because of 1 or 2 sad anecdotes is just stupid |
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| 14:33.47 | Lopeppeppy | People love to whine and think they're being heard. Welcome to the intertubes. |
| 14:34.15 | cbreak | you can write "evil" without emacs, but if you want to write it with emacs, prepare to read a lot of documentation :) |
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| 14:45.13 | Lothaer | how sweet it is |
| 14:45.28 | Lopeppeppy | What's being sweet? |
| 14:45.33 | Lothaer | Athene got one shot with that banning ROFL |
| 14:46.48 | Lothaer | and grats to Nyhm |
| 14:47.08 | Lothaer | Nymh* |
| 14:47.45 | Shirik | Athene? |
| 14:47.46 | jnwhiteh | they are both just creative use of game mechanics |
| 14:47.54 | jnwhiteh | Athene didn't do anythign wrong as far as I can tell |
| 14:48.27 | Lopeppeppy | But if they got banned, they must have been at least looking suspicious enough that Bliz did not want. |
| 14:48.41 | jnwhiteh | well, they pleveled someone to 79 |
| 14:48.44 | jnwhiteh | faster than anyone else |
| 14:49.03 | jnwhiteh | by going into an instance, having him tag the mob.. and before the kill happened, they left the party so he got full xp |
| 14:49.05 | jnwhiteh | rinse, repeat |
| 14:49.18 | jnwhiteh | Nyhm did it solo, with a healer not in his group |
| 14:49.31 | jnwhiteh | and given he was a warlock, I'm sure didn't do much other than heal |
| 14:51.37 | Lothaer | Athenelol got banned Nyhm didnt |
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| 14:52.43 | jnwhiteh | yes I know |
| 14:52.52 | jnwhiteh | and if you look Athenelol asked a GM if what they were doing was okay |
| 14:52.54 | jnwhiteh | and they said yes |
| 14:53.10 | jnwhiteh | Don't get me wrong, I don't like Athene ;-) |
| 14:53.19 | Lopeppeppy | We all know that GMs aren't the last word in things. They tell players it's okay to change their player models, too. |
| 14:53.24 | jnwhiteh | But I can't say that what they did was wrong, considering it has been done before |
| 14:53.35 | Lopeppeppy | Don't ask a nurse how to change your oil. Sometimes they can tell you, sometimes they can't, but it's not their job. |
| 14:53.37 | jnwhiteh | Lopeppeppy: I know.. but thats the point.. who was right? GM #1 or GM #2? |
| 14:53.51 | Wobin | "Yes" |
| 14:53.54 | Lopeppeppy | Whomever banned them got a lot more direction from higher up, I am very sure. |
| 14:54.27 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 14:54.43 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 14:55.19 | Lopeppeppy | But I do agree with "yes". That's the sucky thing about front line customer service, sometimes you are technically very correct, but your boss knows a lot more than you about what's correct and how to interpret the shades of grey to better serve the whole organization. |
| 14:55.35 | jnwhiteh | if I wanted to find a new server.. PVE.. English Speaking (and really.. like not an "english language" server dominated with Swedes or Danes |
| 14:55.37 | jnwhiteh | How would I start? |
| 14:55.44 | jnwhiteh | Just go to each of the PVE forums and shop around? |
| 14:56.24 | Lopeppeppy | I go to a target realm's forums, see what guild the biggest losers are posting from, and avoid it. |
| 14:56.25 | Slakah | Depends what your looking for in a server |
| 14:56.40 | Lopeppeppy | Then I see what guild is NOT bashing that guild when they post, and see what their website has to say about them. |
| 14:57.15 | Slakah | My guild recently escaped from Silvermoon because of A:H balance, so we mainly looked at wowjutsu. |
| 14:57.35 | aesir | ZorbaTHut: "game: 2.4.3" Just...duh. Seriously. |
| 14:57.36 | krka | aren't you in US? i have a hard time seeing a lot of swedes and danes on us-realms |
| 14:57.49 | cbreak | my server had a 600 person queue yesterday. don't chose it! :) |
| 14:58.45 | Lopeppeppy | clad|away is in the EU. |
| 14:58.54 | jnwhiteh | Slakah: Is that progression, or something else? |
| 14:58.54 | Lopeppeppy | AD had like a 90 minute wait to log in. I do not choose it. |
| 14:58.58 | jnwhiteh | krka: No, I'm EU |
| 15:01.30 | Kraps | no one in bg's |
| 15:01.46 | Kraps | even dailies |
| 15:04.57 | Slakah | jnwhiteh: We used it to judge how many alliance/horde were currently playing, as Horde side on Silvermoon is currently deserted |
| 15:05.12 | jnwhiteh | Yeah, makes sense |
| 15:05.20 | jnwhiteh | I just need a server with a damn economy |
| 15:06.51 | cbreak | there are free char transfers from some servers |
| 15:07.04 | cbreak | (with the chance to end up somewhere deserted though) |
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| 15:07.48 | Lopeppeppy | I'd rather pay and know I'll like where I end up. |
| 15:08.31 | cbreak | I have a guild member who transfered servers for PvE reasons, I think he found a guild to raid with before transfering |
| 15:09.43 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12666199331&sid=1 |
| 15:11.41 | krka | weird, i always thought you were us jnwhiteh |
| 15:11.54 | Shirik | he kinda is |
| 15:11.55 | Shirik | but he's a traitor |
| 15:12.17 | cogwheel | "were" |
| 15:12.28 | aesir | I could tell he wasn't US, because of the way he types his "u"s. |
| 15:12.29 | cogwheel | then he lernd2oxford |
| 15:12.40 | Lopeppeppy | Oxford > United States |
| 15:13.25 | aesir | They've even got a shoe style named after them. You never see anyone say, "Time to slip into a comfortable and stylish pair of USs." |
| 15:13.35 | Shirik | ... |
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| 15:13.47 | Shirik | in other words, people step on Oxford daily |
| 15:13.53 | Shirik | nobody steps on the US |
| 15:14.09 | cogwheel | And oxford gets stinky if you stay inside too long? |
| 15:14.09 | aesir | That was true a few weeks ago, Shirik. Times have changed since then. |
| 15:15.25 | aesir | anyway, back to lurking now that I've successfully introduced a ridiculously worthless line of conversation. Have fun! |
| 15:16.23 | Shirik | <3 |
| 15:16.45 | cogwheel | aesir: what else is this channel good for besides worthless lines of conversations? |
| 15:16.50 | cogwheel | especially when Shirik's around... |
| 15:16.52 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 15:16.53 | cogwheel | >.> |
| 15:16.59 | aesir | Point awarded: Cogwheel. |
| 15:17.15 | Shirik | :( |
| 15:17.59 | cogwheel | <4 |
| 15:17.59 | cogwheel | err |
| 15:17.59 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 15:17.59 | aesir | no no...that's even better. |
| 15:17.59 | aesir | 4 > 3 |
| 15:18.12 | Kraps | is Glyph of Charge available anywere? |
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| 15:18.27 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12666199331&postId=126599388876&sid=1#1 |
| 15:18.29 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43397 |
| 15:18.34 | cog|away | <3 |
| 15:19.25 | jnwhiteh | I have Glyph of Charge |
| 15:19.28 | jnwhiteh | but I can't very well sell it to you :P |
| 15:19.49 | Kraps | it wasnt in the ah |
| 15:20.13 | aesir | ok, Lopepeppeppey and Cogwheel: Forum Readability Tip #117: Never post back-to-back greens... The over-under pair of dinosaurs is distracting. |
| 15:20.28 | Kraps | you guys are cm's :O |
| 15:21.09 | aesir | i can't even read the posts now... the avatars keep walking towards me. |
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| 15:23.58 | Lopeppeppy | If you think our avatars are distracting, come have dinner with us in person. Rawr. |
| 15:24.49 | aesir | Something tells me that, "come have dinner with us" translates from dinosaurian to "we'd like to have over for dinner" |
| 15:27.04 | Wobin | or "We'd love to have you for dinner" |
| 15:28.32 | Lopeppeppy | Well... cog|away is the chef in these parts, I just make desserts. |
| 15:31.01 | Nanr-Windrunner | In lua can I have the same function name with different parameters? Or does the 2nd occurance of the function overwrite the first? |
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| 15:33.22 | Tuller | no overloading in lua that i"m aware of |
| 15:33.35 | Tuller | but functions can have variable numbers of parameters |
| 15:33.53 | Tuller | so dostuff(...) |
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| 15:34.11 | Nanr-Windrunner | Yeah. Guess I'll have to do an if an call helper functions. |
| 15:35.40 | alestane | You can't overload, because there's no ready way to distinguish one list of arguments from another. |
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| 15:39.05 | Nanr-Windrunner | I asked this question last night, so I appologise for the repeat but I was wondering what people did for testing of their Mods. Are there ant WoW emulation libraries out there? |
| 15:39.18 | Nanr-Windrunner | s/ant/any |
| 15:40.21 | Tuller | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWBench (abandoned) |
| 15:42.33 | Shirik|AFK | holy crap |
| 15:42.35 | Shirik|AFK | the CE box is huge |
| 15:42.53 | Lopeppeppy | It is, Shirik, the exact same size as the BC box. |
| 15:42.54 | Lopeppeppy | Herro. |
| 15:43.48 | Tuller | i'm sad in that I didn't find one :P |
| 15:44.10 | Tuller | I really wanted a new mousepad :P |
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| 15:45.07 | Lopeppeppy | You may yet find one in the stores, if you keep looking, Tuller. |
| 15:45.17 | Tuller | well, I already bought wrath :P |
| 15:45.31 | Tuller | at circuit city of all places, since I felt a bit sorry for them |
| 15:46.24 | Nom- | omg the wrathgate cinematic was sooooooooo cool |
| 15:46.44 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmmm, dragons. |
| 15:47.53 | Nom- | I just finished it on my pally :) |
| 15:48.02 | Nom- | The chain up to the cinematic that is |
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| 15:51.26 | Shirik|AFK | well that scared the hell out of me |
| 15:51.31 | Shirik|AFK | "The key you entered is invalid" |
| 15:51.32 | Shirik|AFK | twice |
| 15:51.44 | Shirik|AFK | I fail at distinguishing between B and 8 apparently |
| 15:51.57 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 15:52.04 | jnwhiteh | IM IN UR CE |
| 15:52.07 | jnwhiteh | STEALING YOUR KEYZ |
| 15:53.01 | Shirik | give it back :( |
| 15:53.19 | jnwhiteh | i... don't wanna |
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| 16:06.47 | Shirik | I find this strange: can anyone confirm this behavior? |
| 16:07.26 | Shirik | The regex (PCRE) []a] is "Match either the character a or ]" |
| 16:07.40 | Shirik | The regex [a]] is "Match the character a followed by the character ]" |
| 16:08.16 | NightHawkTheSan1 | it's because the regex "[]" is not valid, a ']' immediately traililng a '[' is NOT a special chracter in that specific case |
| 16:08.53 | NightHawkTheSan1 | the same way characters like ^,$,and - have special meaning depending on their position |
| 16:10.35 | Shirik | I guess that makes sense |
| 16:10.58 | Shirik | I just end up going overboard with escaping anyway |
| 16:11.03 | Shirik | so that stuff like this doesn't happen |
| 16:11.09 | Shirik | I just happened upon this randomly |
| 16:11.10 | NightHawkTheSan1 | it does, but i'll grant that it's not always immediately obvious |
| 16:11.28 | Shirik | I escape anything that could possibly be a metacharacter |
| 16:11.54 | NightHawkTheSan1 | which generally is good form |
| 16:12.17 | NightHawkTheSan1 | (at least i think so) |
| 16:13.34 | Shirik | though I also don't write things as long as http://ex-parrot.com/~pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html |
| 16:14.07 | NightHawkTheSan1 | meh, thats pretty overboard for basic email validation anyway |
| 16:14.18 | NightHawkTheSan1 | you can get pretty damn close with something a LOT shorter :p |
| 16:14.38 | Shirik | but it wouldn't follow all rules of RFC 822 :) |
| 16:14.49 | Shirik | imo LPEG could do it better |
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| 16:14.54 | NightHawkTheSan1 | but it would be massively saner :) |
| 16:15.03 | Shirik | yes it would |
| 16:16.54 | Shirik | human death knights look too "happy" |
| 16:16.57 | cog|away | Tuller: fi dalla + shipping |
| 16:17.14 | Tuller | huh? :P |
| 16:17.19 | cog|work | u can has mousepad :P |
| 16:17.33 | cog|work | we don't need two of everything from the CE box |
| 16:17.47 | cog|work | just the Frostys & account upgrades :P |
| 16:17.58 | Shirik | Yeah I can send you a mousepad too, I don't use them :P |
| 16:18.04 | cog|work | trackball? |
| 16:18.11 | Shirik | laser |
| 16:18.22 | cog|work | i laser too... |
| 16:18.28 | Shirik | you have problems with it? |
| 16:18.31 | Tuller | honestly, I'm not sure if it would fit on my desk :P |
| 16:18.37 | cog|work | but that's just accuracy... mousepad makes smooth & pretty |
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| 16:27.01 | Shirik | so.... |
| 16:27.04 | Wobin | and stops the table from getting scratched |
| 16:27.06 | Shirik | where is this frost wyrm supposed to be? |
| 16:29.57 | Lopeppeppy | What wyrm, Shirik? |
| 16:31.08 | Shirik | the one that comes in the CE box :P |
| 16:31.40 | Shirik | oh it gets mailed to you |
| 16:31.43 | Shirik | I assumed it was a code |
| 16:32.19 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. You get it in the mail to every single one of your toons, and every new toon you create from now until doooooooomsday. |
| 16:32.22 | Seerah | yeah, when your account gets upgraded with a CE code, any character on that account will get it mailed to them |
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| 16:32.37 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy beat me :( |
| 16:34.12 | Shirik | My CE came with two pets :D |
| 16:34.21 | Shirik | loot card in it too |
| 16:35.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, you know, I haven't even opened my cards! |
| 16:35.28 | Lopeppeppy | You're totally lucky, shirik. |
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| 16:35.48 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i think they all have a loot card, just a matter of which |
| 16:36.56 | Shirik | stop spoling my happy moment! |
| 16:37.21 | kd3 | yay for unqualified modifications to the network |
| 16:38.11 | Shirik | oh it's account bound too? |
| 16:38.15 | Shirik | So I can send it to any of my new characters |
| 16:38.38 | NightHawkTheSan1 | if it says account bound, then yes? |
| 16:38.57 | Shirik | that was more of an exclamation than a question |
| 16:39.11 | NightHawkTheSan1 | well you put a question mark on the end, so i was confused :) |
| 16:39.38 | Shirik | not all questions are meant to be answered |
| 16:39.41 | Shirik | ^ line from voyager |
| 16:39.54 | Shirik | though totally out of context |
| 16:40.00 | cog|work | oh phooey |
| 16:40.06 | cog|work | i forgot to bring my dvd to work :( |
| 16:40.10 | Shirik | ownded |
| 16:40.56 | Lopeppeppy | Very ownded. |
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| 16:41.19 | Lopeppeppy | it automagically goes to your characters, Shrik. Go log into a different one and see! |
| 16:41.29 | Lopeppeppy | Oh wait, you're talking the loot card. I dunno. |
| 16:42.01 | Shirik | no |
| 16:42.03 | Shirik | I mean new characters |
| 16:42.09 | Shirik | like after I upgraded the account |
| 16:42.29 | foxlit | you what who where? |
| 16:42.31 | Lopeppeppy | New characters will recieve Frosty automagically. |
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| 16:42.34 | Shirik | oh |
| 16:42.36 | Shirik | forever? |
| 16:42.39 | foxlit | yes. |
| 16:42.43 | Lopeppeppy | Mine get the netherwhelp alla time. |
| 16:42.44 | Shirik | and ever and ever? |
| 16:42.47 | cog|work | no |
| 16:42.56 | cog|work | just forever |
| 16:42.58 | Shirik | oh ok |
| 16:42.59 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:43.12 | Shirik | etc-update |
| 16:43.19 | Shirik | CURSE YOU IRC AND YOUR BLACK WINDOWS |
| 16:44.15 | foxlit | L2USE BLACKONWHITE TERMINALS |
| 16:47.11 | TecnoBrat | Shirik, rm -rf / |
| 16:47.17 | Shirik | done it before |
| 16:47.30 | TecnoBrat | so have I :/ |
| 16:47.55 | TecnoBrat | infact, it was sudo rm -rf /" |
| 16:47.56 | Shirik | Specifically I did |
| 16:47.56 | foxlit | clearly someone needs to patch rm so that it'd generate a big YOU ARE AN IDIOT warning when you try to do that. |
| 16:48.05 | Shirik | rm -rf foo / |
| 16:48.09 | Shirik | instead of rm -rf foo/ |
| 16:48.19 | foxlit | why even put the slash at the end of it? |
| 16:48.22 | Shirik | foxlit: That would defeat the purpose of -f |
| 16:48.29 | Shirik | Because I was just learning Linux at the time I did that |
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| 16:50.44 | foxlit | Shirik: One could argue that the purpose of -f is to make it not prompt you for every single file, rather than not prompt you at all |
| 16:51.24 | Shirik | you could probably do it like -v where some apps have -v do one thing and -v -v do something else |
| 16:51.28 | Shirik | like "more verbose" |
| 16:51.43 | Shirik | so -f is "not prompt at all" and -ff is "I really know wtf I'm doing, don't assume I messed up" |
| 16:52.03 | Shirik | well |
| 16:52.08 | Shirik | -f is "not prompt on every single file" |
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| 17:04.54 | clad|away | so does anyone know if i can symlink my Data folder |
| 17:04.59 | clad|away | and have a second install? |
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| 17:17.11 | foxlit | try, trhen try again |
| 17:19.44 | clad|away | yeah yeah |
| 17:19.46 | clad|away | you and your damn logic |
| 17:19.53 | bnovc | clad|away: to achieve what? |
| 17:20.07 | clad|away | so i can run two clients from the same installation |
| 17:20.10 | clad|away | with separate wtf, etc. |
| 17:20.17 | bnovc | why do they need separate wtf though |
| 17:20.33 | bnovc | are you in linux or windows |
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| 17:20.36 | bnovc | (or osx) |
| 17:20.59 | NightHawkTheSan1 | presumably one as a dev environment, and one as an actual play environment |
| 17:21.06 | clad|away | ... |
| 17:21.13 | clad|away | becuase one has video setting jacked up |
| 17:21.16 | clad|away | the other as low as possible |
| 17:21.19 | clad|away | different resolutions |
| 17:21.23 | clad|away | different interface directories |
| 17:21.28 | NightHawkTheSan1 | or that i guess |
| 17:21.43 | bnovc | makes sense i suppose, i always just run from the same one but if you do it all the time it makes sense |
| 17:21.47 | clad|away | well |
| 17:21.51 | clad|away | i have four accounts |
| 17:21.57 | clad|away | i sometimes need to be on more than one at a time. |
| 17:21.57 | clad|away | :P |
| 17:22.31 | bnovc | you can symlink them if you're in osx, linux, or windows on a non-windows partition |
| 17:22.42 | bnovc | a better question might be why you have 4 accounts |
| 17:22.47 | clad|away | ... |
| 17:22.48 | NightHawkTheSan1 | why not? :P |
| 17:23.01 | clad|away | I do know how to symlink.. |
| 17:23.07 | clad|away | and you can hardlink on nt anyway |
| 17:23.15 | clad|away | I was asking if anyone has done this |
| 17:23.21 | clad|away | apparently none of you have |
| 17:23.22 | clad|away | great! |
| 17:23.28 | clad|away | I'll do it once I finish patching to 3.0.3 |
| 17:23.46 | bnovc | NightHawkTheSan1: enormous waste of money |
| 17:23.57 | clad|away | says you |
| 17:23.59 | bnovc | unless three of them were for your family/friends but that doesnt sound like its the case |
| 17:24.02 | NightHawkTheSan1 | clad|away: symlinking in OSX may not work. I haven't tried it on the Data folder, but it doesn't work on the Interface folder I believe, due to the specific osx client. |
| 17:24.10 | bnovc | its more likely youre doing one of those stupid shamans following each other thing |
| 17:24.11 | clad|away | i enjoy getting 2.5 level 60s for every one I level |
| 17:24.15 | NightHawkTheSan1 | bnovc: that's an opinion, everything outside of bare neccessities is a "waste of money" |
| 17:24.18 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSan1: your information is outdated |
| 17:24.24 | clad|away | wow is a waste of money |
| 17:24.28 | foxlit | They broke it at some point. They should've fixed it since :) |
| 17:24.44 | NightHawkTheSan1 | foxlit: "should've" and "have" are very different. :) |
| 17:24.58 | bnovc | clad|away: do you think you get more enjoyment out of the game for your extra ($120+$15/x)*3 |
| 17:25.03 | clad|away | ... |
| 17:25.04 | clad|away | shut up |
| 17:25.07 | clad|away | yes, I do |
| 17:25.08 | clad|away | actually |
| 17:25.13 | clad|away | and you're assuming a fuck-ton |
| 17:25.15 | clad|away | I have one main account |
| 17:25.19 | clad|away | on US account that hasn't expired yet |
| 17:25.23 | clad|away | my partner's account |
| 17:25.27 | clad|away | and a single account that i refer-a-friended |
| 17:25.34 | clad|away | which cost me a whopping £7.99 |
| 17:25.35 | NightHawkTheSan1 | I don't remember if I've tried it post 3.0 at some point, but I've definitely tried it just before 3.0, and it didn't work. |
| 17:25.46 | clad|away | so I pay ONE 6 month subscription, and my partner does the same. |
| 17:26.04 | NightHawkTheSan1 | bnovc: If thats what he wants, then YES, he IS getting more enjoyment. and you're an idiot for saying otherwise. It's his money, he's free to do with it as he pleases. |
| 17:26.14 | clad|away | and I'm not spending any extra money :P |
| 17:26.16 | clad|away | important fact |
| 17:26.17 | bnovc | i didn't say he wasn't free to |
| 17:26.22 | NightHawkTheSan1 | clad|away: moot point. :p |
| 17:26.36 | bnovc | but it is more likely that he's just overly addicted/consequently competitive with WoW like most people who have >1 accounts |
| 17:27.11 | clad|away | wow |
| 17:27.13 | bnovc | i don't see how you're not spending more money on it unless your parents are paying for it or something |
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| 17:27.15 | clad|away | who the fuck do you think you are? |
| 17:27.30 | clad|away | You don't know me, or know a thing about me apparently |
| 17:27.41 | clad|away | I just explained exactly why I don't pay for more than my account and my partner pays for his |
| 17:27.54 | clad|away | one is a subscription that isn't run out yet, and the other was the first month of a retail box |
| 17:28.06 | clad|away | Not that any of this is your business |
| 17:28.14 | bnovc | and you didn't pay for the serial initially on all of them? |
| 17:28.23 | clad|away | >< |
| 17:28.25 | clad|away | just stop |
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| 17:29.09 | clad|away | That's it.. your astute observation of me being an "overly addicted/consequently competitive" person with WoW is just spot on. Thanks for joining the channel... |
| 17:29.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: ping. Sexymap does not seem to handle the LFG minimap button at all? |
| 17:29.48 | Antiarc | Oh, I dunno, I never use it :P |
| 17:29.50 | Antiarc | I'll try it out |
| 17:29.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: "MiniMapMeetingStoneFrame" is the frame name i believe |
| 17:33.29 | kd3 | whee at oopsing the kernel on a quad core |
| 17:33.38 | kd3 | at least it doesn't take the whole system down... |
| 17:34.37 | Thrae | Has there been any change with WotLK and Vista with Addons? My Mom is having trouble getting any of her addons recognized anymore after installing WotLK. |
| 17:34.50 | kd3 | wow's not in program files |
| 17:35.08 | kd3 | c:/users/public/games/world of warcraft |
| 17:35.23 | Thrae | Is that where the entire game is installed? |
| 17:35.36 | kd3 | yes |
| 17:35.44 | Thrae | Ah |
| 17:35.49 | foxlit | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
| 17:36.50 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: what are you talking about? I symlink everything but World of Warcraft.app for dualbox love |
| 17:37.17 | NeoTron | I also symlink the saved variables between my two accounts so I get shared global saved variables between the two |
| 17:37.20 | cladhaire | NeoTron: thanks, appreciate it |
| 17:37.32 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: I've gotta add that I like it when you're pissy. |
| 17:37.33 | NeoTron | only important thing is to NOT symlink WoW.app |
| 17:37.34 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: *shrug* it wasn't working when I messed with it a while ago |
| 17:37.41 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: It's a really entertaining read |
| 17:38.03 | NeoTron | and to only run the updater in the main directory. after updating delete the copied .app and recopy |
| 17:38.29 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: I even did live <-> beta symlinking for Interface/WTF after 3.0 went live |
| 17:39.03 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: weird. I was trying to symlink an addon folder into the interface folder and it wasn't picking it up |
| 17:39.04 | NeoTron | "An error has occurred. |
| 17:39.23 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: ah that might be different, couldn't tell. I only did it on AddOns level or higher |
| 17:39.25 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: that's because beta was using two folders at a time, you had to do some serious hackery to get it to work |
| 17:39.26 | NeoTron | not individual addons |
| 17:39.44 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: that may be the difference, then |
| 17:39.53 | NeoTron | so armory now picks up that my DK is in my guild but I get the error above when accessing the individual page |
| 17:40.08 | ScytheBlade1 | NeoTron: that's just the generic armory error message |
| 17:40.12 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: I wonder if you can (ab)use the OS X directory hardlinking somehow |
| 17:40.20 | NeoTron | ScytheBlade1: I am aware. just stating it's borked |
| 17:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 17:40.47 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: it does directory hard links for time machine |
| 17:41.16 | NeoTron | but I'm unawaer if it's possible as a normal user (or even normal root user). it's a dangerous feature |
| 17:41.51 | NightHawkTheSane | it's neat in how it cuts down on space, but yeah.. i'd be wary of letting anyone actually use that manually |
| 17:42.40 | NeoTron | timemachine is pretty awesome and yes I agree |
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| 17:45.43 | frop | Tuller? ping |
| 17:45.53 | Tuller | frop: yes? |
| 17:46.20 | frop | mmh are you aware of any incompatibility of your "price" addon? |
| 17:46.38 | Tuller | nope :P |
| 17:46.53 | frop | cause i'm trying to use it with VendorBait from tekkub |
| 17:47.06 | frop | and i cannot get price for quest rewards |
| 17:47.18 | frop | that's about normal? or should it works? |
| 17:47.26 | NightHawkTheSane | new quest rewards from northrend may not have price data. |
| 17:47.37 | frop | i'm using engraving too, always from tekkub |
| 17:47.46 | frop | mmmh NightHawkTheSane right...you could be right |
| 17:49.03 | frop | that's a shame :P load of golds wasted :P |
| 17:49.15 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* its not hard to usualy eyball the one thats worth the most |
| 17:49.22 | frop | ehehe |
| 17:49.23 | frop | how? |
| 17:49.31 | frop | i usually get weapons over armors... |
| 17:49.40 | NightHawkTheSane | in general, weapons > plate > mail > leather> cloth |
| 17:49.46 | frop | aye |
| 17:49.54 | NightHawkTheSane | 2h > 1h |
| 17:49.58 | frop | doing that, but still, would be nice :) |
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| 17:50.21 | NightHawkTheSane | agreed, but meh :) |
| 17:50.44 | frop | vendorbait is great...it should just hilight the one that sells for most |
| 17:50.46 | frop | :) |
| 17:51.02 | frop | not going to change gear till 76/77 i hope :P |
| 17:51.29 | NeoTron | I am curious |
| 17:51.39 | NeoTron | although not exact, would be be possible to guess the value of items? |
| 17:51.44 | foxlit | did they ever patch more art in? |
| 17:51.56 | NeoTron | i.e is it (mostly) a factor from slot/type/ilevel/quality? |
| 17:52.03 | NeoTron | at least for equipment |
| 17:52.07 | frop | sure |
| 17:52.21 | frop | but things from quests share same ilevel |
| 17:52.32 | foxlit | Or is everything still made by the same blacksmith in all of nothrend? |
| 17:52.37 | frop | so NightHawkTheSane hint is the way to go |
| 17:52.43 | NeoTron | yeah but they aren't always the same slot and rarely the same material |
| 17:53.08 | frop | isn't the price stored in dbc? |
| 17:53.11 | NeoTron | his note is in general better but you can get plate bracer vs leather chest for example |
| 17:53.18 | NeoTron | price isn't available to the client |
| 17:53.25 | mikma | for me, vendorbait ain't working with the new questitems |
| 17:53.28 | NeoTron | the addons that set the price has preloaded data and can learn when opening a vendor |
| 17:53.33 | frop | ohh..so those libs are "manual" filled? |
| 17:53.35 | NeoTron | yep |
| 17:53.52 | frop | mikma same here |
| 17:53.59 | NeoTron | was just curious if you could get a rough estimate using known factors |
| 17:53.59 | frop | it's why i'm here asking :) |
| 17:53.59 | leethal | umm, how does the wotlk version of closet gnome work? |
| 17:54.09 | leethal | no miminap icon. the pref pane in interface options doesn't let you set anything |
| 17:54.37 | frop | leethal the minimap icon could be just a check option :P |
| 17:55.09 | leethal | frop: there is a "Always equip weapons" checkbox and a "Quips" checkbox |
| 17:55.12 | leethal | other than that, just text =/ |
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| 17:55.44 | frop | leethal not sure...abandoned all the "outfit" addons...till raids :) |
| 17:56.11 | frop | and i was using wardrobe2 :D |
| 17:56.25 | frop | as hunter it's not so usefull |
| 17:56.55 | frop | and mountme does what i need |
| 17:57.07 | frop | ...althought it could track engineering heads as well |
| 17:57.11 | foxlit | leethal: there's more options for me |
| 17:57.18 | foxlit | "Show minimap icon" is the third |
| 17:57.23 | frop | is nice to see clouds dots on minimap while mounted |
| 17:57.29 | foxlit | A blank Keybindings panel is also shown :/ |
| 17:57.37 | leethal | hmm, that's weird. Doesn't appear here. |
| 17:57.41 | leethal | neither does the keybindings panel |
| 17:57.48 | frop | update it? |
| 17:57.49 | frop | :) |
| 17:57.51 | leethal | it has dependencies or something? It's currently the only addon I have. |
| 17:58.00 | leethal | just dled latest version from wowi. Deleted all options in wtf as well |
| 17:58.07 | leethal | perhaps it's vista that's fooling me again |
| 17:58.11 | frop | it has loads of modules last time i checked |
| 17:58.16 | foxlit | hm, I got the last one from curse. |
| 17:58.22 | foxlit | Tbh, it looks unfinished. |
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| 18:01.39 | frop | ok, i'm betraing ya Tuller...for ColaLight :) |
| 18:01.49 | Tuller | weird :P |
| 18:01.58 | frop | no way :P |
| 18:02.09 | ArrowmasterClass | isnt colalight dead? |
| 18:02.13 | frop | 29/09/2008 |
| 18:02.14 | ArrowmasterClass | for like a long time |
| 18:02.17 | frop | seem so :) |
| 18:02.24 | ArrowmasterClass | longer than that |
| 18:02.26 | ArrowmasterClass | a lot longer |
| 18:02.37 | frop | well, wowace says that |
| 18:02.42 | frop | last package |
| 18:03.14 | NeoTron | leethal: perhaps get an LDB displayer such as Button Bin, StatBlockCore or Fortress |
| 18:03.19 | ArrowmasterClass | yes take a better look at that |
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| 18:03.25 | ArrowmasterClass | http://www.wowace.com/projects/cola-light/files/ |
| 18:03.35 | Matrix110 | frop that data is unreliable for everything that didnt get upadter after the move :P |
| 18:03.38 | ArrowmasterClass | 10/15/2007 is the real date |
| 18:03.44 | Tuller | if I recall, the cola light author stopped it after I made sellfish |
| 18:04.10 | ArrowmasterClass | Tuller: do you know where Bam went? |
| 18:04.12 | frop | was just trying to find something for these questing days :P |
| 18:04.13 | Tuller | itempricetooltip/if polarina's item sell value addon is still around are good alternatives |
| 18:04.20 | Tuller | ArrowmasterClass: nope :P |
| 18:04.29 | ArrowmasterClass | nothing has wrath data |
| 18:04.39 | Tuller | ArrowmasterClass: but I fear that means I have to go and find my scraper :P |
| 18:04.54 | ArrowmasterClass | gona try to get somebody from curse to dump some data from wowdb for me and ill update ItemPrice-1.1 |
| 18:05.01 | Tuller | though blizzard might cry at me for that |
| 18:05.03 | NeoTron | ArrowmasterClass: question is.. wtf not? :P |
| 18:05.16 | Matrix110 | Ludwig_SellValue was good but "someone" discontinued it! |
| 18:05.18 | NeoTron | not enough beta data collecting :) |
| 18:05.48 | frop | Arrowmaster oook...i'll stay without it then :P |
| 18:05.53 | ArrowmasterClass | that or i can dig up my wdb extracter i used for ColaLight |
| 18:06.19 | frop | still, you'd need wdbs :P |
| 18:06.22 | NeoTron | they should jsut provide item values in the api |
| 18:06.24 | ArrowmasterClass | and just use wowequip to query every itemid every 10 seconds and go afk |
| 18:06.30 | NeoTron | no reason to hide it just like there's no reason to hide health values |
| 18:06.46 | NeoTron | ArrowmasterClass: won't that disconnect you? |
| 18:06.58 | ArrowmasterClass | no |
| 18:07.09 | ArrowmasterClass | it querys a new itemid every 10 seconds which is safe |
| 18:07.46 | NeoTron | oh wait, wdb => local cache right? |
| 18:07.53 | ArrowmasterClass | yes |
| 18:07.54 | frop | yeppa |
| 18:07.55 | NeoTron | so it only is known items |
| 18:08.18 | ArrowmasterClass | i wonder how many people submited wdb's to wowhead for beta |
| 18:08.22 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd only take ~111 hours to scan all of the items |
| 18:08.44 | ArrowmasterClass | meh i only care about 40000-50000 or so |
| 18:08.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, 50k? |
| 18:08.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 18:09.03 | ScytheBlade1 | What -is- the highest itemID? |
| 18:09.04 | ArrowmasterClass | i have no clue what the high number is now |
| 18:09.07 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 18:09.10 | Tuller | its in the 50k region now |
| 18:09.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Well in any case, 10k items is 27 hours |
| 18:09.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm you know |
| 18:09.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Even the ~111 hours is easily distributable |
| 18:10.15 | ArrowmasterClass | or just easyly optimize the code to try a new one instead of continuing to wait on sucess |
| 18:10.35 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be pretty easy to write an addon which distributes the search across a guild |
| 18:11.16 | Tuller | clearly, distribute the search across the server :P |
| 18:11.24 | Matrix110 | 44297 is the last wowhead item atm |
| 18:11.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Then communication gets to be tricky |
| 18:11.48 | ArrowmasterClass | well do you feel like setting up an armory scraper on your server for us instead? |
| 18:12.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I wonder if I have that script around still |
| 18:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I probably don't, I just did it in bash |
| 18:12.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me check |
| 18:12.23 | ArrowmasterClass | to check every itemid on US and EU armory? |
| 18:12.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 18:12.53 | ArrowmasterClass | do it |
| 18:13.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I did it earlier |
| 18:13.18 | ArrowmasterClass | remember if armory doesnt give a sellvalue then it cant be sold and we can record the price as 0 |
| 18:13.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/wow-items.tar.bz2 |
| 18:13.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ from March, but |
| 18:13.57 | ArrowmasterClass | need wrath data |
| 18:14.22 | ArrowmasterClass | like i said even just doing tooltip querying will work since the important thing is quest rewards |
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| 18:15.59 | Tuller | bah |
| 18:16.04 | Tuller | cannot find my scraper :P |
| 18:16.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I don't have mine around anymore |
| 18:16.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I never saved it, I don't think |
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| 18:17.05 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 18:17.26 | Tuller | I've kept random crap around too |
| 18:18.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah |
| 18:18.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Can anyone link me a working armory of a character? |
| 18:19.48 | Antiarc | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Cenarion+Circle&n=Adrine |
| 18:20.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay |
| 18:20.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Both of my characters don't work, which is weird |
| 18:20.12 | ScytheBlade1 | As I was logged in last night.. |
| 18:20.59 | leethal | what's a sensible way to check if your current target is a pvp target or not? |
| 18:21.07 | NeoTron | armory is simply not working well atm |
| 18:21.09 | ScytheBlade1 | !api UnitIsPVP |
| 18:21.09 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'UnitIsPVP' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitIsPVP |
| 18:21.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I think |
| 18:21.21 | leethal | oh, that was simple =) |
| 18:21.28 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 18:21.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I was right, which is the scary thing |
| 18:21.45 | leethal | oh, right, it checks if pvp is enabled. Guess I have to do more checks to figure out if it's of the opposite faction, not a npc etc. |
| 18:21.51 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 18:21.59 | ScytheBlade1 | But those UnitIs* functions are your friend |
| 18:22.43 | zenzelezz | so a guildie just dinged realm first 80... and general chat literally explodes in a flamefest. "omg get a life" "hope they ban him soon" "QQ my penor is too short" |
| 18:23.18 | leethal | UnitIsEnemy sounds sensible. The API doesn't mention any definition of 'enemy', though |
| 18:24.33 | NeoTron | anything that is red to you |
| 18:24.47 | NeoTron | I believe |
| 18:24.49 | foxlit | Some things can be red and not hostile |
| 18:24.52 | NeoTron | right |
| 18:25.03 | NeoTron | afaik they are stil UnitIsEnemy but not attackable |
| 18:25.51 | leethal | the idea is to track when the target is a enemy player, and if it is, display "Casting fear" if it's, say, a lock that starts to cast a fear |
| 18:25.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ArrowmasterClass: sec and I can get it all |
| 18:25.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 18:25.58 | ScytheBlade1 | A few hours |
| 18:26.28 | NeoTron | leethal: you likely need multiple UnitIs |
| 18:26.34 | NeoTron | enemy + is a player etc |
| 18:26.44 | leethal | guess I could just monitor the spell id of fears and check if it matches the unit id of the current target |
| 18:26.47 | NeoTron | UnitCanAttack("player", "target") too I gather |
| 18:27.11 | leethal | s/check if it/check if the source id/ |
| 18:27.21 | leethal | haha, <3 purl |
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| 18:28.45 | NeoTron | that certainly would work too |
| 18:29.04 | NeoTron | you could also see if the destination guid is yourself if that is the goal |
| 18:29.17 | leethal | ah, that makes a lot more sense |
| 18:29.18 | NeoTron | if it has a destination guid that is :) |
| 18:29.24 | leethal | then it can moniton aryone, not just the current target |
| 18:29.25 | leethal | very good idea |
| 18:29.29 | leethal | monitor* |
| 18:30.04 | NeoTron | so it took me like 3 hrs to get alchemy to 375 and inscription to 364 last night |
| 18:30.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoops |
| 18:30.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I totally meant to do that in a screen |
| 18:30.13 | NeoTron | inscription is A LOT slower than alchemy |
| 18:30.47 | NightHawkTheSane | well, having to mill everything eats time, ;) |
| 18:30.50 | NeoTron | indeed |
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| 18:31.09 | NightHawkTheSane | tehre needs to be a way to mass mill/prospect entire stacks of things |
| 18:31.10 | NeoTron | but the other factor is having to make 5 of <x> and then train, make 5 of <y>, train, make 5 of <z> |
| 18:31.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Oy, oops |
| 18:31.13 | NeoTron | etc |
| 18:31.16 | NeoTron | and making the ink too ofc |
| 18:31.17 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 18:31.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to split these into different directories |
| 18:31.32 | ScytheBlade1 | The ext3 access time with 60k files in a dir is going to suck |
| 18:31.39 | NeoTron | ScytheBlade1: very much so |
| 18:31.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 18:31.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And the server is giving me crap |
| 18:31.58 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: what surprised me, having not looked at it before, was that I got nothing after 350 from pre-northrend |
| 18:32.01 | ScytheBlade1 | This will be hours to scan |
| 18:32.14 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: yeah. |
| 18:32.34 | NightHawkTheSane | honestly i only went to 360 before wrath |
| 18:32.39 | NeoTron | got to 364 by brute force. I had A LOT of outlands herbs, but I doubt it'd be sufficient to get to 375 |
| 18:32.43 | ArrowmasterClass | ScytheBlade1: can you just scan 40000-45000 |
| 18:32.52 | NightHawkTheSane | it's not really worth it to try |
| 18:32.56 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 18:32.59 | NightHawkTheSane | you won't recoup the profits at all |
| 18:33.07 | NeoTron | cost doesn't bother me really |
| 18:33.10 | NightHawkTheSane | er, expense.. meh, you know what i mean |
| 18:33.11 | NeoTron | just isn't necessary though |
| 18:33.27 | NeoTron | it is a waste of time I could use leveling :) |
| 18:33.32 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 18:33.46 | NeoTron | as opposed to >half my guild I have a job and I am not taking thu/fri off work |
| 18:33.53 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it probably works decently when leveling 1-60 at the same ime |
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| 18:39.28 | NeoTron | so is it just me or does turtles not seem like the best mounts for your warriors? |
| 18:39.44 | NeoTron | I'm sure it does |
| 18:39.54 | NeoTron | I mean 3 hrs isn't THAT bad for nearly maxing two tradeskills |
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| 18:46.54 | NeoTron | what kind of interview? job or media? interviewer or interviewee |
| 18:47.08 | NightHawkTheSane | job, interviewee |
| 18:47.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ArrowmasterClass: yeah sure |
| 18:47.41 | Lopeppeppy | Good luck, NightHawkTheSane. |
| 18:47.51 | NightHawkTheSane | thanks :) |
| 18:49.03 | Nanr-Windrunner | Anyone here have experience with Lua-WoW? Is it any good? |
| 18:49.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ArrowmasterClass: downloading, ~2h it'll be done |
| 18:49.11 | NightHawkTheSane | it's not till 1pm (pst), but i've got to eat, get dressed, bleh. |
| 18:49.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Nanr-Windrunner: for what? |
| 18:49.14 | Nanr-Windrunner | "http://wowprogramming.com/utils" |
| 18:49.22 | ScytheBlade1 | What are you using it for? |
| 18:49.24 | Nanr-Windrunner | I didn't see much on what it changes. |
| 18:49.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah. |
| 18:49.40 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a copy of lua that's been modified to match WoW's copy of lua |
| 18:49.45 | Nanr-Windrunner | I was going to try it for my test enciron |
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| 18:50.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It won't have the WoW API, but the syntax and things like built-in tables match |
| 18:51.20 | ScytheBlade1 | For example, the "os" table in stock lua exists. It doesn't in game, so WoWLua won't have the "os" table either |
| 18:51.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Things like that |
| 18:51.53 | Nanr-Windrunner | Ahh gotcha. What about Blizzard's funky way of dumping out table data to the Saved Variables files? |
| 18:52.14 | Nanr-Windrunner | It would be nice to be able to dump that if I wanted to read them in somewhere else, so for DKP style management. |
| 18:52.32 | ScytheBlade1 | That's custom |
| 18:52.34 | Nanr-Windrunner | Make sure my parser works. Although, I guess I could use lua. Is there a LuaSQL package? |
| 18:52.36 | leethal | what's the name of that full screen flash frame that flashes when something combat-ish happens and your map is open? |
| 18:52.45 | ScytheBlade1 | yes there is indeed SQL support for lua |
| 18:53.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Not WoW's lua, of course, but for stock lua there are lua libs that add SQL support |
| 18:53.34 | Nanr-Windrunner | :). And hopefully MySql is supported. *heads off to google.* |
| 18:53.39 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
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| 18:54.00 | Nanr-Windrunner | I'm just not looking forward to parsing lua tables in perl or whatever I decide to use. |
| 18:54.01 | NeoTron | Nanr-Windrunner: wait, what? you can LOAD the saved variables files |
| 18:54.08 | NeoTron | Nanr-Windrunner: it's just a lua file |
| 18:54.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed you can |
| 18:54.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lua -i file.lua |
| 18:54.38 | NeoTron | saving is something else but I did a bank importer that just read a saved variables file and put it in a database using lua sql |
| 18:54.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Will load file.lua and bring you to a lua prompt with that data loaded |
| 18:55.27 | Nanr-Windrunner | Yeah reading in lua a saved vars file is no problem. Reading in perl. Not so trivial for my perl skillz. I'm sure someone with mad perl skills could do it. :). I'm still learning what _ really is. :) |
| 18:55.42 | Nanr-Windrunner | I guess I could do a lua->csv or something in lua. |
| 18:55.47 | ScytheBlade1 | _ is any other variable |
| 18:55.58 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just commonly used as a "throw away" variable |
| 18:56.10 | Nanr-Windrunner | for _ = 1 to 10 :) |
| 18:56.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It's no different from "a" or "b" or "someVar" |
| 18:56.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, in perl |
| 18:56.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry, thought you meant lua |
| 18:56.44 | ArrowmasterClass | i have a script to write saved var files |
| 18:56.47 | Nanr-Windrunner | Yeah, was just trying to express my concern about reading lua in perl. |
| 18:56.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a bit more tricky :) |
| 18:57.26 | Nanr-Windrunner | Looks like LuaSQL is a much simpler solution. Looks pretty complete. |
| 18:57.30 | Nanr-Windrunner | At least for what I need. |
| 18:57.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Should be |
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| 19:05.23 | leethal | what's the 'alphaMode' property? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/101840 |
| 19:05.31 | leethal | and how can one set that from lua? |
| 19:05.47 | leethal | hmm, just found SetBlendMode |
| 19:06.05 | bleeter | there's an important question |
| 19:06.10 | bleeter | does WotLK blend? |
| 19:11.41 | leethal | moar silly questions: I guess it's possible to create a texture with a, uhm, "generic" color, so that I can set the color programatically? |
| 19:12.10 | leethal | I'm guessing the texture can sort of act like an alpha map (with the lack of a better term) |
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| 19:14.10 | ScytheBlade1 | leethal: yes, create a texture, and then :SetColor() |
| 19:15.02 | leethal | hm. SetColor doesn't exist, it seems |
| 19:15.11 | leethal | it's on a someFrame:CreateTexture texture |
| 19:15.43 | leethal | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture mentions vertex color. No idea what it means =/ |
| 19:16.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, sorry |
| 19:16.17 | leethal | apology accepted! |
| 19:16.45 | ScytheBlade1 | local texture = Frame:CreateTexture() texture:SetTexture(r, g, b[, a]) |
| 19:17.03 | ScytheBlade1 | SetTexture() can either take a path to a texture or RGB values. Forgot that. |
| 19:17.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Texture_SetTexture |
| 19:17.25 | leethal | aha |
| 19:18.18 | leethal | what if I want different colors, and in combat? Create one frame per color? |
| 19:18.18 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12661068939&postId=126600991803&sid=1#9 |
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| 19:18.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Changing textures isn't protected at all, so that's perfectly allowed |
| 19:18.46 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: I'm so replying |
| 19:18.51 | bleeter | thought you would =)) |
| 19:19.12 | leethal | did this change in 3.0? http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture/SetTexture doesn't mention colors. And no matter which color i set (texture:SetTexture('Interface\\FullScreenTextures\\LowHealth', 0, 0, 1), for instance), it stays red |
| 19:19.54 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't mix and match the texture paths and colors |
| 19:20.00 | leethal | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/101842 for the full code. Perhaps I'm missing something |
| 19:20.03 | leethal | oh |
| 19:20.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll take either a texture path OR a set of RGB(A) values |
| 19:20.48 | leethal | yay |
| 19:21.30 | leethal | http://skitch.com/leethal/5w7j/getting-there =) |
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| 19:23.47 | ScytheBlade1 | leethal: there you go |
| 19:24.18 | leethal | if I can make that a 10px-ish border, I'm a happycat |
| 19:25.06 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I disagree with your post. There is the clause that says something like 'don't make $ from our IP' and part of their IP is the API. But as with any enforcement of that rule, Blizz only seem to enforce in extreme cases. So it's possible, but highly unlikely. :P |
| 19:25.35 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: then he'll have to pull that line out of the ToU and run with it |
| 19:25.42 | ScytheBlade1 | And we'll be right there saying "nope still alllowed" :P |
| 19:26.10 | leethal | ScytheBlade1: perhaps you know of any addons that does something similar I could take a look at? |
| 19:26.19 | leethal | I'd rather read some code than bug you peeps. Haven't found any such addons, though. |
| 19:26.35 | leethal | with a full screen border-on-the-edges-of-the-screen kind of frame |
| 19:26.53 | ScytheBlade1 | does what exactly? Just a border? |
| 19:27.28 | leethal | yeah. It's gonna flash when stuff happen, much like the red thingie that shows up when combat related things happens with the world map visible |
| 19:27.36 | leethal | s/happen/happens |
| 19:27.38 | alestane | bleeter: AFAIK, your add-ons contain no Blizzard IP. However, they can't run without Blizzard's IP supporting them. I don't believe there's any reason why you can't sell an add-on, which is your own creation, but the culture really doesn't support it. |
| 19:28.14 | bleeter | alestane: a name of a function that's only in Blizz's UI API is part of their IP |
| 19:28.19 | ScytheBlade1 | leethal: I'd create four frames (top, left, bottom, right) and anchor them to the sides of the screen. Create four textures, and SetTexture() as needed |
| 19:28.28 | bleeter | so by merely calling it by name, you're using their IP |
| 19:28.33 | leethal | hmm |
| 19:29.05 | leethal | I wonder how, say, pitbull does the debuff coloring on unit frames. Seems to be a texture, but it has different colors based on debuff type |
| 19:29.16 | bleeter | goddamn 7AM rolling restarts aarghargahahgahgarhg |
| 19:29.18 | leethal | guess there's a way to somehow set the color of a texture |
| 19:29.20 | alestane | The names are descriptive and could be part of any API with a similar function. Since they're built out of common English words, they really can't sopyright the function names. |
| 19:29.34 | ScytheBlade1 | leethal: set the color to 1 for the alpha channel |
| 19:29.51 | matt1s | how many people can log into a server before there's a queue? |
| 19:30.18 | leethal | ScytheBlade1: hmm, where? |
| 19:30.21 | ScytheBlade1 | matt1s: depends on the server and how many people try to login at once. If 1000 people logged into an empty server at the same moment, you'd get a queue |
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| 19:30.29 | alestane | An add-on does not, to the best of my knowledge, constitute a derivative work of Blizzard's API, any more than Firefox constitutes a derivative work of Windows. |
| 19:30.31 | bleeter | Well, I'ds argue 'not (C), but (TM) it. The name of a function, and what it does, is (TM)arbkle, thus IP' |
| 19:30.32 | ScytheBlade1 | leethal: SetTexture(r, g, b, a) -- a is alpha channel |
| 19:30.41 | leethal | right, what about it? |
| 19:30.45 | matt1s | ScytheBlade1: ah, and how many logged in users at once then? |
| 19:30.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It handles transparency? |
| 19:30.52 | leethal | and? =P |
| 19:30.56 | ScytheBlade1 | matt1s: varies. The queues are really dynamic |
| 19:30.59 | leethal | for the flashing itself, you mean? |
| 19:31.10 | ScytheBlade1 | leethal: set it to 1 and it disappears. Set it to 0 and it's visible |
| 19:31.17 | leethal | right, why are you telling me that? |
| 19:31.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought it answered your question? |
| 19:31.42 | leethal | how to programatically set the color of a texture? |
| 19:31.45 | ScytheBlade1 | That's likely how the "borders" around the buffs icons are done (either that or a true border) |
| 19:31.48 | bleeter | alestane: either way, the OP in that thread's been told what's essentially correct for them to proceed 'safely' :) |
| 19:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ... with SetTexture(r, g, b[, a]) |
| 19:32.02 | alestane | I didn't see the post yet. |
| 19:32.05 | ScytheBlade1 | That will set the color |
| 19:32.11 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12661068939&postId=126597391995&sid=1#0 |
| 19:32.26 | alestane | If you have artwork that you're trying to tint, you can do that with :SetVertexColor. |
| 19:32.37 | matt1s | ScytheBlade1: all right, thanks! |
| 19:32.42 | ScytheBlade1 | leethal: what exactly is the question |
| 19:32.49 | ScytheBlade1 | matt1s: sure |
| 19:33.50 | leethal | ScytheBlade1: I want to create GUI. It should look similar to the red glow that appears when combat events occurs while the world map is present. I need to be able to set the color of this frame programatically. |
| 19:34.16 | leethal | I guess creating one frame for each side of the screen is the best i got so far. Would be nice to be able to use a texture, though, for a smooth gradient instead of a sharp line. |
| 19:34.31 | ScytheBlade1 | leethal: you can create a gradient out of a texture |
| 19:34.40 | ScytheBlade1 | And then just change the colors/alpha accordingly |
| 19:35.00 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.04 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.19 | leethal | I tried to figure out what I could set for 'orientation', didn't find anything though |
| 19:35.37 | ScytheBlade1 | You can always look at the WoW UI source to see how they did the full screen flash |
| 19:35.46 | leethal | they use a texture |
| 19:35.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Or you can always just make your own texture, use the texture path and SetAlpha() on it |
| 19:35.57 | ScytheBlade1 | (Or reuse theirs) |
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| 19:36.31 | leethal | if I use my own texture, though, I'd have to create one texture per color |
| 19:36.38 | leethal | ideally, the color of the flash should be configurable with a color picker, too |
| 19:36.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, you likely would |
| 19:36.51 | leethal | seeing that I haven't found a way to set the color of a texture programatically |
| 19:37.03 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 19:37.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Look into what alestane mentioned, :SetVertexColor() |
| 19:37.14 | leethal | s/too/though |
| 19:37.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_LayeredRegion_SetVertexColor |
| 19:37.38 | leethal | hmm. I tried to set some values with SetVertexColor. I'll play some more with it =) |
| 19:38.57 | leethal | only 1, 0, 0 (red) seems to work when I try to set it on blizz's flash frame. Perhaps that is because the texture _is_ red |
| 19:39.14 | leethal | I guess setting the tint with SetVertexColor works best if the texture is greyscaled or something? |
| 19:39.29 | ScytheBlade1 | No idea |
| 19:39.53 | alestane | The results will be most predictable when the image is monochrome, but should still work with any texture. |
| 19:40.10 | alestane | Blizzard uses SetVertexColor to turn action buttons blue when you don't have enough mana. |
| 19:40.29 | leethal | hmm |
| 19:42.50 | bleeter | anyone else notice the interesting side-effect of Tuesday's mail issue? I have a bunch of BG toekns in my mail now with a 29 day expiry =)) |
| 19:43.01 | Lopeppeppy | Neat. |
| 19:43.24 | kd3 | lhar |
| 19:43.27 | Lopeppeppy | Bleeter, I think they went overboard in returning mail, rather than miss anything. I assume it's a risk they were willing to take, as with the pets. |
| 19:44.11 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: those pets... argh. The hoops I had to jump through to get them to admit they returned an impossible to achieve item to me (Mechanical Yeti with 0 charges) :/ |
| 19:44.25 | ArrowmasterClass | i have 2 BoP brooms from halloween a year ago in my mailbox with a 29 day expation on the mail now |
| 19:44.39 | ArrowmasterClass | it was at about 2 days or so before the issue |
| 19:44.41 | bleeter | nice! |
| 19:45.05 | ArrowmasterClass | i should grab one when the mail hits 14 days |
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| 19:54.36 | leethal | http://skitch.com/leethal/5iym/woot-border =D |
| 19:55.03 | leethal | created a custom border in photoshop, all white. White seems to be the color of t3h win |
| 19:55.18 | leethal | with a 100% black border, SetVertexColor didn't affect it at all |
| 19:55.35 | alestane | SetVertexColor only darkens things AFAIK. |
| 19:55.46 | alestane | So it won't have any effect on solid black. |
| 19:55.47 | leethal | hmm yeah that makes sense |
| 19:55.59 | alestane | It's like using "Multiply" in Photshop. |
| 19:58.05 | leethal | another thing. Flashing this frame in combat -- how do I do it? I can't :Show() it, right? |
| 19:58.13 | leethal | setting alpha, maybe? |
| 19:58.51 | leethal | UIFrameFadeIn, perhaps? |
| 19:58.56 | leethal | (and FadeOut) |
| 19:59.07 | alestane | Is it always visible, and tints in combat, or only when it's flashing? |
| 19:59.34 | Josh_Borke | leethal: can you click on it? |
| 19:59.39 | Josh_Borke | leethal: does it do any secure actions? |
| 19:59.45 | ScytheBlade1 | You can :Hide() and :Show() any frame you please in combat, as long as it is not a protected frame |
| 19:59.52 | leethal | ah, I see |
| 20:00.04 | leethal | it doesn't perform anything, it's just a decorative, unclickable artwork frame |
| 20:00.51 | alestane | If the artwork is always visible, and you just want to tint it, than use SetVertexColor to switch between white and your tint color. |
| 20:01.24 | leethal | it's only briefly visible some times |
| 20:01.42 | alestane | If you want it to actually appear and disappear, then use :Show and :Hide or :SetAlpha, depending whether you want it to suddenly appear, or fade in and out. |
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| 20:02.36 | leethal | does SetAlpha automagically fade in and out? |
| 20:02.50 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 20:02.53 | ScytheBlade1 | It's instant |
| 20:02.59 | alestane | If you call it repeatedly with increasing alphas it seems to. |
| 20:03.04 | ScytheBlade1 | The UI defines functions to provide easy fading over time however |
| 20:03.18 | leethal | yeah, been using UIFrameFadeIn and UIFrameFadeOut before |
| 20:03.32 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 20:04.24 | bleeter | Sat Nov 15 07:04:24 EST 2008 |
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| 20:04.31 | bleeter | mmm 7AM restart on queue |
| 20:05.42 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm? |
| 20:08.23 | leethal | hmm, UIFrameFadeIn and UIFrameFadeOut seems to be leaking memory |
| 20:08.43 | ScytheBlade1 | leaking memory? |
| 20:09.07 | leethal | I guess, not very good at these kinds of things. Anyways, every time I call those functions, the memory usage of the addon increases |
| 20:09.09 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: nothing much, just Oceanics getting fed a crock of BS again by Blizz. Check this #'s logs from around 8 hours ago for my rant about this specific case ;) |
| 20:09.47 | kd3 | whee, bugged |
| 20:09.53 | kd3 | I've got a permanent waterbreathing buff |
| 20:11.29 | bleeter | I love it when NPCs give locks and druids waterbreathing. |
| 20:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | leethal: force a garbage collection, make them fade, force another and compare |
| 20:11.59 | leethal | what's the command to force GC again? |
| 20:12.11 | bleeter | restart button on the front of your comp >< |
| 20:12.16 | ScytheBlade1 | collectgarbage("garbage") |
| 20:12.17 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 20:12.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It may be ("collect") |
| 20:12.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I can never remember |
| 20:13.19 | Esamynn | bleeter: and don't forget Shamans ;) |
| 20:13.34 | leethal | yep, the garbage collect dropped the memory size to it's initial value |
| 20:13.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I wouldn't worry about it |
| 20:13.52 | leethal | allright =) |
| 20:13.56 | bleeter | Esamynn: shammies are almost understandable. an NPC wouldn't know what's in the shammies bag, no? |
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| 20:14.44 | NightHawkTheSane | bag? pfft. what shammy doesn't have the no reagent glyph :p |
| 20:14.48 | Esamynn | this is true, I got the water walking minor, but not the water Breathing Minor, don't use the latter near as often |
| 20:15.02 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: ^ |
| 20:15.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: i didn't see/have any other minors worth it |
| 20:15.31 | Esamynn | bleeter: all glyphs have the same level requirement as the rank 1 spell they modify |
| 20:15.46 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: I forget which other ones I grabbed |
| 20:15.57 | bleeter | Esamynn: shows you how much attention I've been paying to the new profession =)) |
| 20:16.11 | Esamynn | :P |
| 20:16.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: i have water breathing, water walking and water shield. *shrug* |
| 20:17.19 | Esamynn | yah, I have the shield and walking, not sure what my third one is... |
| 20:17.24 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: water on the brain? :P |
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| 20:17.46 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: it's a theme with shamans, if you hadn't noticed. ;) and as i said, not much else particularly good |
| 20:18.13 | NightHawkTheSane | look how many talents in the resto tree use the word "tidal" or some variation of it :p |
| 20:18.54 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: hmm, maybe the rebirth one, but I honestly don't remember |
| 20:19.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: you mean the +5% stats for 1m on ankh? eh, seemed alright, but meh |
| 20:21.12 | bleeter | 6/10 Oceanics were showing 'full' when they started the restarts :/ |
| 20:21.42 | bleeter | least load? hmm, does Oceania never have low load? That could be something to consider, I guess |
| 20:24.20 | bleeter | mm promising, 'world server is down' :/ |
| 20:25.10 | bleeter | I should write an irssi script for folks that just replaces every word I type here in # with bitch/moan/whine (selected randomly) :D |
| 20:25.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It'd probably be more coherent ;) |
| 20:25.47 | bleeter | precisely |
| 20:28.01 | leethal | if I want to watch for the 'broodsurge' spell, I'll have to keep track of all ranks, right? (ids 46913, 46914, 46915) |
| 20:29.12 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want to avoid localization, then yes |
| 20:29.28 | Nom- | 66% to 75 |
| 20:29.36 | Nanr-Windrunner | Leethal. I think that Omen used to do something similar to what you are talking about. Have you looked at their code for inspiration? |
| 20:29.42 | Nom- | server restart now... trying to decide if i should go sleep |
| 20:29.43 | bleeter | Nom-: restart? QQ MOAR!!! :P |
| 20:29.53 | bleeter | Nom-: sleep is for the weak! ;) |
| 20:29.59 | leethal | Nanr-Windrunner: that sounds like a good idea, thanks =) |
| 20:30.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Nanr-Windrunner: they used an Ace lib :) |
| 20:30.20 | Esamynn | ~lart bleeter |
| 20:30.20 | purl | takes a big bite out of bleeter's jugular vein |
| 20:30.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Almost 100% positive on that |
| 20:31.23 | bleeter | Esamynn: mmm jugs |
| 20:31.34 | Esamynn | ~lart bleeter |
| 20:31.34 | purl | installs PocketPC on bleeter's PDA |
| 20:31.40 | Nom- | If I keep going, I might be the first level 76 on the server :P |
| 20:31.41 | Esamynn | ooooh, nasty |
| 20:31.43 | Nom- | well horde side at least |
| 20:31.43 | bleeter | RAAAR RAAAR RASPUTIN |
| 20:31.56 | Nom- | There's only one level 75 on horde side atm |
| 20:32.00 | Nom- | I've got 33% to go |
| 20:32.02 | Nanr-Windrunner | OK I'm a total IRC noob. and I can't find documentation on what this is. Am I getting private IMs when you guys are responding to my comments? or is there some cool way to tag a person in your replies? |
| 20:32.12 | bleeter | Esamynn: I'd like to see purl get PocketPC on my Newton =)) |
| 20:32.25 | ScytheBlade1 | No, you shouldn't be, Nanr-Windrunner |
| 20:32.35 | Esamynn | ~lart bleeter |
| 20:32.35 | purl | DoSes bleeter |
| 20:33.01 | bleeter | Nanr-Windrunner: if you've not registered your nickname, you'll have some private message restrictions. '/msg nickserv help' for info on registering |
| 20:33.32 | bleeter | oh, hang on.. maybe that's not what you meant... still, a worthy tip |
| 20:37.45 | leethal | tables in lua are one indexed? |
| 20:38.09 | bnovc | Nanr-Windrunner: generally people respond in channels and have their client highlight messages with their nickname in them |
| 20:38.10 | alestane | Arrays in Lua are assumed to start at 1, yes. |
| 20:38.16 | leethal | right, thanks =) |
| 20:38.36 | Nom- | some of these names... |
| 20:38.40 | Nom- | Hugh Glass |
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| 20:38.46 | Nom- | Well we know what they were going for there :P |
| 20:39.19 | bleeter | yeah |
| 20:39.21 | bleeter | mt |
| 20:39.51 | Nanr-Windrunner | Is anyone aware of of packages that help you sync lua data with a server? Looks like everyone pretty much rolls their own? |
| 20:40.26 | Nanr-Windrunner | I saw one guild that had a special java app that did it. Was nice. Excpet ONLY grabbed data from their server. |
| 20:41.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Like live data transfer? You can't |
| 20:41.23 | Xiro | you could use a desktop app to do it, but that's iffy as far as blizz is concerned |
| 20:41.44 | Esamynn | I think he probably just means an SV file |
| 20:42.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I think so too but best be clear :) |
| 20:42.07 | Nanr-Windrunner | Doesnt' have to be live. |
| 20:42.31 | Nanr-Windrunner | The mod I'm working on is for our guild's DKP/RPP system. |
| 20:42.43 | Lopeppeppy | There are tons of applications to read data files after you close wow, and upload them to websites. Tons. |
| 20:42.45 | Nanr-Windrunner | Ingame bidding storing data on the web for analysis, epeen etc. |
| 20:42.59 | Lopeppeppy | Just remember that it can't be realtime, and you're good to go. |
| 20:44.11 | ScytheBlade1 | As far as a program that does that for you in your case, maybe maybe not. They're usually pretty specalized. |
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| 20:55.19 | bnovc | i think i found a reliable way to make it real-time but its probably against the EULA to do it anyway |
| 20:55.59 | Arrowmaster | you cant make it realtime |
| 21:17.45 | Josh_Borke | make data access outside of wow real time? |
| 21:18.12 | Nanr-Windrunner | I'm not sure why blizzard cares anymore since you can't actually issue commands in mods anymore |
| 21:18.13 | Dewin | I thought I heard of a few non-obvious ways to get data out of wow (but not the other direction) |
| 21:18.30 | Nanr-Windrunner | You can always parse chat logs in near real time |
| 21:18.51 | Dewin | I seem to recall something about keybindings too. |
| 21:19.07 | Tekkub | why? because you can still write a 3rd party app to send keys to the game |
| 21:19.07 | Josh_Borke | inputting data to wow is hard |
| 21:19.18 | Lopeppeppy | Do not go to the Place that Angers the Gods. If it's against the ToS/EULA, just don't do it. |
| 21:19.50 | Josh_Borke | Tekkub: well, yea, but that's the easy to find way |
| 21:20.13 | Dewin | I don't think that abusing the chat log to send data to an outside program would be a violation -- going the other way, otoh, would be. |
| 21:20.18 | Nanr-Windrunner | Doesn't the EULA just say no automation? Does it actually talk about real time data transfer? I would think the Lawyers would bark at that. |
| 21:20.49 | Nanr-Windrunner | I know they allow key cloners. |
| 21:21.39 | Dewin | Because it still requires direct user action and is 1 action per 1 input, yes. |
| 21:21.54 | Lopeppeppy | Dewin, read what you just said? ABUSING? |
| 21:21.56 | Tekkub | I can see justification for letting data in now, but to let it in requires you let data out too, and that's still far to easy to abuse |
| 21:22.24 | Nanr-Windrunner | But you can do data out now with log watching, and key bindings apparenlty. |
| 21:22.40 | Dewin | I didn't mean it quite that way :) |
| 21:22.46 | Tekkub | logs are not realtime |
| 21:23.13 | Dewin | Perhaps not real time, but I imagine less delayed than full-fledged reloadUI/logout |
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| 21:23.34 | Dewin | Nanr: I'm not sure about keybindings, it's something I heard. |
| 21:23.36 | Tekkub | but the lack of realtime removes the potential for abuse |
| 21:23.37 | Iriel | Realtime output is a violation because it makes driving an external keypress generator too easy |
| 21:23.40 | Lopeppeppy | If you find ways to get around the spirit and intent of the ToS/EULA, they're gonna catch you and be all Banstick. |
| 21:23.44 | Lopeppeppy | Just don't do it. |
| 21:23.50 | Tekkub | what Iriel said |
| 21:24.20 | Tekkub | realtime data in isn't an issue, you can't do secure actions with it |
| 21:24.23 | Nanr-Windrunner | I thought you could force the log to be real time by spamming it to force the buffer to flush. Maybe I have to look again. So my question is what is the Spirit of the EULA? I'm not going to do this I don't need real time update. It's a thought experiement. |
| 21:24.33 | Tekkub | but to get data in, you have to send requests out, and that's ripe for abuse |
| 21:24.39 | Iriel | The spirit is 'process your data after you log out' |
| 21:24.44 | Nanr-Windrunner | My question was is the Spirit of the EULA no automation or no real time data? |
| 21:24.54 | Tekkub | no automation |
| 21:25.01 | Nanr-Windrunner | ORLY. Hmm *goes to read the EULA again*. |
| 21:25.05 | Tekkub | but realtime data leads directly to that |
| 21:25.38 | Lopeppeppy | Nanr-Windrunner, the ToS/EULA has deliberately vague terms, so that BLIZ defines what is against it, not you/me/us. Violate the spirit and you'll be voilating the rule, enjoy the ban when it comes back to you. |
| 21:26.06 | Tekkub | in the end, the real question is, why the hell do you NEED realtime? |
| 21:26.26 | Nanr-Windrunner | Real time DKP updateing! It's all the rage! |
| 21:26.27 | Tekkub | DKP addon? you don't... Prices? don't.. |
| 21:26.40 | Lopeppeppy | It is not all the rage, because it is deliberatly not allowed. |
| 21:26.54 | Tekkub | opponent specs in arena? that's asking for a ban |
| 21:26.55 | Nanr-Windrunner | Sorry forgot the :). |
| 21:26.57 | Iriel | It's usually fair to assume that if blizzard made something deliberately difficult, they didn't want you to do it. |
| 21:27.06 | Iriel | That rule's certainly served me well. |
| 21:27.37 | Dewin | hmm, ToS 4 b: (iii) use any third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Program or the Service. |
| 21:27.45 | Dewin | I guess I need to be banned, I used an MPQ viewer to grab the music. |
| 21:27.55 | Lopeppeppy | Perhaps you do. *nod* |
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| 21:28.01 | Tekkub | http://code.google.com/p/tekkub-wow/issues/detail?id=665 |
| 21:28.08 | Tekkub | THANK YOU PLEASE DON'T COME AGAIN |
| 21:28.14 | cog|work | Dewin: that's not while wow is running |
| 21:28.21 | cog|work | you're not doing it "through" the program or service |
| 21:28.32 | Dewin | "from OR through" |
| 21:28.34 | Tekkub | he opened three tickets for the same issue, NOT accidentally |
| 21:28.44 | Dewin | I'd say the data files are considered part of the program |
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| 21:28.59 | Dewin | And, for the record, wow *was* running at the time (not that it mattered) |
| 21:29.29 | Dewin | OTOH, I believe I saw a blue post the other day basically confirming that there's nothing wrong with using wowmapviewer, which is IMHO more data mining than extracting from MPQs is. |
| 21:29.37 | Dewin | (not that I've got it to work since the patch...) |
| 21:31.01 | cog|work | i still don't think that section is applicable |
| 21:31.24 | cog|work | though they probably could get away with using it against you, not that they'd need to |
| 21:31.41 | cog|work | they can ban you for whatever reason and don't have to telly ou one way or another :P |
| 21:31.59 | Nanr-Windrunner | It's not like they need your money. :) |
| 21:32.00 | Dewin | TOS 5 b: #6 "Use bots or other automated techniques to collect information from the Program or any forum or website owned or administered by Blizzard;" |
| 21:32.13 | Dewin | Shiibot's server alert reporting technically violates this. |
| 21:33.10 | cladhaire | yes |
| 21:33.12 | cog|work | yep |
| 21:33.15 | cladhaire | and what are they going to do, stop Shiibot from playing? |
| 21:33.24 | cladhaire | Shiibot doesn't play the game |
| 21:33.42 | Nanr-Windrunner | But aren't we 'using' the bot? |
| 21:34.07 | Dewin | eh, I particiapte in the IRC channel, I don't have any way to tell shiibot to selectively ignore me when giving the alerts :) |
| 21:34.15 | cladhaire | ... actually you do |
| 21:34.24 | cladhaire | if you want to make that argument. |
| 21:34.24 | cog|work | /ignore shiibot |
| 21:34.32 | cog|work | ? |
| 21:34.33 | Dewin | True, I suppose |
| 21:34.37 | Dewin | ... |
| 21:34.57 | Dewin | Rules of Conduct, "Rules Related to Game Play" 3. "Anything that Blizzard considers contrary to the "essence" of the Program." |
| 21:36.11 | cog|work | which implies that if other violations of the terms of use aren't contrary to the essence of the program then they're not going to enforce them... imo |
| 21:36.39 | Dewin | well, it's listed under "Nonetheless, certain acts go beyond what is "fair" and are considered serious violations of these Terms of Use. Those acts include, but are not necessarily limited to, the following:" |
| 21:37.25 | Dewin | so in short, if Blizzard thinks you shouldn't do it, doesn't matter what, they can declare it a ToS violation if they want to. Heh. |
| 21:37.32 | cog|work | yeah... that's so that when they ban you you can't fight them. it's just a matter of CYA |
| 21:37.34 | cladhaire | yes |
| 21:37.35 | cog|work | exactly |
| 21:37.37 | cladhaire | do you know what the ToS is? |
| 21:37.41 | Dewin | I know. |
| 21:37.44 | cladhaire | it means they can stop you from playing whenever and for whatever reason they want |
| 21:37.51 | cladhaire | it has no legal implications other than that |
| 21:38.54 | Dewin | It's just interesting actually paying attention to this stuff sometimes. |
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| 21:49.41 | foxlit | "Iriel: Realtime output is a violation because it makes driving an external keypress generator too easy" << meh, it's not that much more difficult to get data out optically. |
| 21:50.29 | Iriel | doing so is also against the rules. |
| 21:50.30 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 21:51.07 | foxlit | Meh, you're breaking the rules either way when you feed keystrokes back into the thing. |
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| 21:53.21 | Zxcvb | does wrath of the lich king need a more powerful graphics card than bc? |
| 21:53.37 | kd3 | no |
| 21:53.49 | foxlit | need no, warrant, yes. |
| 21:53.58 | NightHawkTheSane | arthas has a pretty pimping machine i'll bet, i'm sure he's set |
| 21:54.02 | Zxcvb | so a geforce 6600 is still decent? |
| 21:56.38 | foxlit | If you're running at 800x600, perhaps :) |
| 21:57.56 | bleeter | wth |
| 21:58.01 | bleeter | forecast of snow tonight?? |
| 21:58.32 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: arthas moultiboxes AND bots |
| 21:58.33 | Zxcvb | seems to work fine at 1280x800 with bc |
| 22:00.27 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: yeah, arthas is a fucker |
| 22:01.25 | foxlit | Personally, I'm thinking of replacing my 8600 GTS |
| 22:01.43 | foxlit | Something about not being able to hold 40fps at 1680x1050 with AA and shadows. |
| 22:04.23 | foxlit | http://www.penny-arcade.com/uploads/2008/11/14/lifeslich02.gif |
| 22:06.12 | cog|work | WTB recommendation for an 802.11n router that can act as a simple AP/bridge |
| 22:06.34 | Tem|work | typical reddit pun thread |
| 22:06.34 | Tem|work | http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/7de78/when_i_was_a_child_i_wanted_to_be_a_im_a_instead/c06cwga |
| 22:06.46 | Tem|work | I wasn't expecting the sir mixalot reference. |
| 22:06.49 | Tem|work | I just peed myself |
| 22:08.35 | cog|work | none of the actual 802.11n access points have more than a 4 rating on newegg and those are all off-brand |
| 22:10.25 | Zxcvb | I didn't think n worked with WoW |
| 22:10.46 | Zxcvb | because WoW sent invalid packets and the n hardware insists on "correcting" them |
| 22:19.04 | matt1s | does xperl unitframes support the deathknight? I can't seem to find blood, unholy and frost anywhere |
| 22:25.57 | cog|work | Zxcvb: not for wow... for work :P |
| 22:26.12 | Dewin | why would wow send invalid packets? |
| 22:26.43 | Zxcvb | Dewin: probably performance in voice chat |
| 22:27.01 | Dewin | not an excuse for Doing It Wrong |
| 22:27.23 | Zxcvb | Dewin: not as bad as 32 bit real mode, or getting and modifying the ldt base address so you can create your own threads directly |
| 22:28.03 | Dewin | and, imho, hardware should not touch any packets it is told to send aside from link encapsulation |
| 22:28.27 | Dewin | (i.e. adding/stripping ethernet headers to/from IP traffic) |
| 22:28.32 | Zxcvb | it had to do with the checksums, i think |
| 22:29.02 | Zxcvb | and games have always Done It Wrong |
| 22:30.23 | Nom- | ding 75 |
| 22:30.27 | Dewin | The Internet Protocol (IP) and most higher-layer protocols of the Internet Protocol Suite (ICMP, IGMP, UDP, UDP-Lite, TCP) use a common checksum algorithm to validate the integrity of the packets that they exchange. The IP (IPv4) header checksum protects only the IPv4 header, while the TCP, ICMP, and UDP checksums provide end-to-end error detection for both the transport header (including network and transport layer information) and t |
| 22:30.27 | Nom- | I think i'll call that a night :) |
| 22:30.46 | Dewin | Besides, if the checksum was bad you couldn't 'fix' the packet anyways, it doesn't contain enough information to recover it. |
| 22:30.54 | Iriel | it's not only games |
| 22:31.11 | Iriel | HP/UX would disable checksums on packets it didn't think needed them |
| 22:31.15 | Iriel | (and as you can guess, it wasn't always right) |
| 22:32.05 | Dewin | Well, technically, if you can trust the lower level link protocol (particularly if it implements its own error detection schema), there's no point in checksumming the higher level packets. |
| 22:32.47 | Dewin | and... the IP checksum is pretty failable anyways |
| 22:32.51 | Iriel | problem with HP/UX is that they failed to account for perhaps, more than one physical network in a route |
| 22:33.02 | Dewin | Inserting or removing zero-valued bytes does not alter the checksum |
| 22:33.12 | Dewin | nor does byte reordering |
| 22:33.29 | Iriel | It was enough in the case i'm discussing to cause serious problems |
| 22:33.45 | Dewin | Yeah, multiple physical routes could cause issues. |
| 22:33.45 | Iriel | (that was with several hundred client machines spread over a couple of floors doing heavy NFS) |
| 22:33.54 | Iriel | so they'd see the local route was FDDI |
| 22:33.58 | Iriel | go 'I dont need to checksum that' |
| 22:35.28 | Iriel | but forget that there's a router and ethernet on the other side |
| 22:35.28 | Dewin | Like, communications on the same subnet using some sort of bridge/VLAN across media types? |
| 22:35.29 | Iriel | this was between subnets |
| 22:35.43 | Dewin | wow, relying on the media to be the same across subnets is... stupid :) |
| 22:35.48 | Dewin | Unless that wasn't the actual cause. |
| 22:35.55 | Iriel | I think ther performance team just didn't think it through |
| 22:36.08 | Iriel | we ended up patching the kernel settings at boot time to force udp checksums on |
| 22:36.08 | Iriel | a |
| 22:36.15 | Iriel | and everything worked again |
| 22:37.37 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: so hows the mining going? |
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| 22:48.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: just got home, let me check |
| 22:48.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually, so did Wrath |
| 22:48.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Give me a bit :) |
| 22:49.46 | bleeter | Iriel: problem with HP/UX is... the HP bit :P |
| 22:53.23 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: your wrath arrived finally? grats mate :) |
| 22:53.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
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| 22:55.43 | Nanr-Windrunner | Thanks everyone for all the help today. I think I have my mod working. And I'm off for the weekend. Have a good one all. |
| 22:55.48 | ScytheBlade1 | You too |
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| 22:59.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: compressing... |
| 23:00.29 | Zxcvb | any idea how you get /console to do anything? |
| 23:01.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/wow-items-40-60.tar.bz2 |
| 23:03.10 | Arrowmaster | why do i feel like im going to regret blindly extracting this without looking at it first |
| 23:03.18 | Arrowmaster | yeap regret |
| 23:03.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It should extract into a directory |
| 23:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | So at least it isn't a tarbomb :) |
| 23:04.15 | ScytheBlade1 | But, yes, it is in fact 20k files |
| 23:09.45 | foxlit | I really either need to put some hardcore hours into DK leveling, or give everyone else a week's lead |
| 23:10.05 | Dewin | Mine's 58. |
| 23:10.08 | Dewin | and likely staying there |
| 23:10.33 | Dewin | I LOVED the DK questline though, that was some of the most fun I'd had in WoW solo (well, duo technically) |
| 23:10.59 | NightHawkTheSane | im not sure if i'll seriously play any characters outside my main until she's 80 |
| 23:11.07 | foxlit | Just some of the people in /1: Ownedd, Leoniidas, Frostbone, Assplug, Deathtom, Fatalblade, Darkenhart, Runestare, Skullcrushed, Necrodragon, Evilgrim... |
| 23:11.09 | Dewin | I did DK just to do the quest line. |
| 23:11.29 | Dewin | foxlit: I have a "Death" in my guild, but there's like 3 accent marks in the name. |
| 23:11.42 | foxlit | Yeah, I saw someone whose name was almost entirely untypable |
| 23:11.52 | Dewin | I still don't understand why they allow it >.> |
| 23:12.09 | Dewin | on US realms anyways. |
| 23:12.12 | NightHawkTheSane | technically they dont |
| 23:12.21 | Dewin | eh? |
| 23:12.29 | foxlit | Why don't they prevent it, though. |
| 23:12.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't know, but it does violate their naming guidelines and should be reportable |
| 23:13.07 | Dewin | I think it should be allowed in EU/etc realms where people will likely have the proper keyboard for making accent marks |
| 23:13.23 | Dewin | Especially if you're trying to name your character after your real name which has an accent mark in it |
| 23:13.42 | foxlit | I have a UK keyboard, you insensitive clod. |
| 23:13.59 | Dewin | In Soviet Russia, Slashdot reads YOU. |
| 23:14.08 | Arrowmaster | you can type them nomatter what keyboard you have |
| 23:14.18 | Dewin | ... if you memorize the ascii character table... perhaps |
| 23:14.35 | Dewin | Option 2 is to allow it for display, but internally fold it down to the unaccented character |
| 23:14.39 | Arrowmaster | or dont use the standard us english qwerty layout |
| 23:14.47 | NightHawkTheSane | its not too hard on a mac. |
| 23:14.51 | leethal | is there a way to get the cooldown fro a spell only from the spell id? Or is GetSpellCooldown with the spellbook based parameters, or GetActionCooldown, action slot based, the only way? |
| 23:14.53 | Dewin | such that /t death would work no matter how many 'sprinkles' the name has |
| 23:14.59 | leethal | s/fro/for |
| 23:15.05 | NightHawkTheSane | a lot of accented/high ascii characters have easy alt key combos |
| 23:15.10 | Arrowmaster | my keyboard layout does it perty much exactly like a mac does it |
| 23:15.39 | Arrowmaster | altgr+accentmark+letter |
| 23:15.54 | foxlit | Short version is, I don't see a reason to let people name things using characters outside of the realm language |
| 23:15.59 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: I shouldn't need to memorize/tape an ascii chart to my computer just to send /tells to someone |
| 23:16.13 | NightHawkTheSane | im not diagreeing :p |
| 23:16.14 | Arrowmaster | its just US english international layout with the deadkeys swaped around |
| 23:16.34 | Arrowmaster | seriously this layout should be the default |
| 23:20.38 | foxlit | I'm also surprised the naming policy has nothing against compound names |
| 23:20.44 | foxlit | ("Silentdeath" et al) |
| 23:20.58 | leethal | hmm, tracking buffs looks semi-hard. Gotta keep track of buff indexes etc. Can't just use spell ids. |
| 23:21.18 | foxlit | when I was your age, we used UnitBuff and liked it! |
| 23:21.27 | leethal | =P |
| 23:21.33 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: it kind of does, "partial or complete sentences" |
| 23:21.48 | foxlit | Yeah, but that's more against Thisisasentenceinanick |
| 23:21.53 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 23:21.56 | foxlit | Or Nerfshamansnow |
| 23:22.01 | cog|work | Ipwnjoo |
| 23:22.05 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont have much issue with multi-part names, though |
| 23:22.11 | Thrae | "When I was your age, we made a tooltip, called up the buffs, then parsed them as strings without any filtering." |
| 23:22.24 | Dewin | heh, if I wanted to make a name like that I'd make it non-obvious that it's a sentence. |
| 23:22.33 | foxlit | I wish people would just use semi-passable names |
| 23:22.43 | leethal | is there a list of all buffs somewhere? Or do you have to iterate and use UnitBuff 'till it goes nil? |
| 23:22.44 | Dewin | "Aypundja"? |
| 23:22.50 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: I wish people weren't idiots, but i dont think either of us will get our wish |
| 23:22.58 | Thrae | foxlit: "Legolam"? |
| 23:23.06 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: unless we get... rid... of all the idiots |
| 23:23.26 | foxlit | Thrae: passable |
| 23:23.27 | Dewin | I know someone who was writing a webcomic set from the perspective of the NPCs in an MMO |
| 23:23.32 | Dewin | There was a player character named "Legoroth" |
| 23:23.41 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: hah, good luck with that :) |
| 23:23.57 | Dewin | you know, because Sephiroth and Legolas are so awesome~ |
| 23:24.06 | Thrae | If we got rid of all the idiots, player-involved activities would be a lot less fun. There'd be like 5 people left on the server. |
| 23:24.16 | foxlit | Consolidate servers, np |
| 23:24.22 | Dewin | we need the idiots IMHO |
| 23:24.36 | Dewin | Sure alliance can't win WSG because of the idiots, but if you get rid of them we won't be able to win because it'll be 10 horde vs 2 alliance |
| 23:25.20 | NightHawkTheSane | while i like the fact that you think you could get 10 horde together that aren't idiots, sadly that's not the case ;) |
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| 23:25.30 | Dewin | Yeah, I give you guys too much credit. |
| 23:25.32 | Dewin | 9v2. |
| 23:25.36 | Thrae | Dewin: Overexaggeration. More like 5 Horde vs 2 Alliance. |
| 23:25.36 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 23:26.15 | Dewin | Ever seen two losing premades end up fighting each other? |
| 23:26.45 | Thrae | I thought Blizzard hot-fixed that. Premades aren't suppose to fight anything but PUGs! |
| 23:26.57 | leethal | hmm. tracking buff index sounds odd, seeing that the index changes as buffs expire |
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| 23:30.52 | leethal | or, I guess listing all buffs is easy. But monitoring one buff alone, meh. Whine whine! |
| 23:33.58 | foxlit | use combat log events |
| 23:34.11 | NightHawkTheSane | your MOM uses combat log events. |
| 23:34.28 | foxlit | To gank you, she does! |
| 23:34.40 | NightHawkTheSane | .. burn. |
| 23:34.46 | leethal | hmm. combat log tells me all I need to know? |
| 23:35.13 | foxlit | maaybe |
| 23:35.16 | NightHawkTheSane | the combat log is god. |
| 23:35.18 | foxlit | Why don't you investigate :) |
| 23:35.18 | leethal | btw, I won't ever consider trying this myself. I'm going to keep bugging you all night long. |
| 23:35.23 | NightHawkTheSane | the api is your temple! |
| 23:35.23 | leethal | right! |
| 23:35.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ... would that make Iriel the high priest? |
| 23:35.47 | haste | "he tapped his fingers on his temple." |
| 23:36.12 | Dewin | Iriel, High Priest of Slouken? |
| 23:36.29 | Dewin | err. This is WoW. Iriel <High Priest of Slouken> |
| 23:37.19 | NightHawkTheSane | next beta needs the guild <Church of Slouken> |
| 23:37.36 | Dewin | Assuming Slouken is still the UI person at the time? |
| 23:37.42 | NightHawkTheSane | true |
| 23:37.59 | Dewin | I wonder what they're adding next anyways |
| 23:38.17 | NightHawkTheSane | next expansion? heh, anyone's guess at this point |
| 23:39.08 | Dewin | underground could be interesting if done right, with the goblin city |
| 23:39.12 | Dewin | but I don't think it'd work entirely 100% |
| 23:39.27 | NightHawkTheSane | if i had to speculate, at this point i'd say emerald dream or maelstrom |
| 23:39.28 | foxlit | undermine? |
| 23:39.53 | Dewin | Why did I think it was underground? |
| 23:39.56 | Dewin | oh. it is. |
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| 23:40.15 | Dewin | Hmm, a coastal expansion would be interesting. |
| 23:40.33 | Dewin | the various small islands, Undermine as a city, etc. |
| 23:40.36 | foxlit | I demand Wrath of the Murlocs! |
| 23:41.02 | Dewin | foxlit: Wrath of the murrrrawrarawrrawrgh? |
| 23:41.13 | foxlit | Works for me |
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| 23:42.26 | Dewin | all the bloodsail admirals would be so screwed if they added a naval expansion. |
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| 23:42.42 | Dewin | and Blizzard has talked about player-operated boats at one point |
| 23:45.41 | Dewin | << Note that Undermine was already in the early betas as not a city but a /continent/ south of kalimdor, but there was only water there and nothing else. >> |
| 23:45.46 | Dewin | Interesting |
| 23:51.30 | kd3 | whee, queue |
| 23:51.36 | Dewin | don't say that. |
| 23:51.52 | kd3 | 400 |
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| 23:52.33 | Dewin | 64. |
| 23:52.37 | Dewin | Earthen Ring for once doesn't suck. |
| 23:54.07 | Dewin | guess I caught them just as they started building, started logging my wife in and she's at 84 |
| 23:54.39 | Dewin | what server kd3? |
| 23:54.44 | kd3 | medivh |
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