| 00:02.43 | Gnarfoz | what changed in regards to "MasterFont" with 3.0 again? can't remember. some addon is spamming my FrameXML log with that |
| 00:06.13 | p3lim | Does glyph effects stack? |
| 00:07.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Er? |
| 00:07.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 00:07.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm good question |
| 00:08.48 | NightHawkTheSane | eh? |
| 00:09.05 | NightHawkTheSane | you cant have multiples of the same glyph |
| 00:09.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Answers that then |
| 00:11.44 | p3lim | ok |
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| 00:12.12 | p3lim | Rogues: SnD or Rupture glyph? |
| 00:14.31 | ScytheBlade1 | If the SnD glyph increases duration, then you'd probably have to be insane not to pick it |
| 00:14.35 | ScytheBlade1 | (And I say that as a.... mage) |
| 00:15.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: both increase duration, but i'd agree |
| 00:15.35 | Gnarfoz | it's the t4 set bonus in a glyph. awesomeness. ;) |
| 00:15.38 | NightHawkTheSane | especially since rupture glyph isn't available for a few days |
| 00:15.42 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: well I was basing that off of what SnD is and what Rupture is, the rupture glyph effect probably doesn't even compare |
| 00:15.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: *nod* |
| 00:15.59 | Gnarfoz | also, Blood Spatter is the shit. :> |
| 00:16.17 | NightHawkTheSane | it's 3s of SND vs 4s of rupture, so.. 1 tic of rupture? vs 3s of hasted auto attacks. |
| 00:16.31 | Gnarfoz | you'll take em both, anyway |
| 00:16.34 | Gnarfoz | at 80 |
| 00:16.35 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: the improper mac zips ive seen had .DS_Store, _MACOS_X (folder), and files with the same name as any root folders |
| 00:18.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: that only seems to confirm it's not related to the mac specific stuff |
| 00:19.13 | Arrowmaster | the additional file with the same name as the folder is mac specific |
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| 00:19.49 | nevcairiel | so is __MACOS_X =P |
| 00:20.06 | Arrowmaster | thats the one thing mac majorly fails at to me, hiding the real contents of the filesystem from the user |
| 00:20.13 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* i've yet to observe that, anywhere. i'll toy around with cleanarchiver and see if that solves it. but i'm really not going to put a herculean effort into fixing it |
| 00:20.32 | Arrowmaster | you should |
| 00:20.38 | Arrowmaster | where are you uploading zips to? |
| 00:20.46 | NightHawkTheSane | wowi |
| 00:21.25 | NightHawkTheSane | and meh, if it becomes a "don't upload your broken zips here" issue, and i can't fix it relatively easily, i'll just stop uploading mods :p |
| 00:22.02 | Arrowmaster | other people make zips on macosx fine |
| 00:22.32 | Tekkub | are the unix zip tools in there, you chould just try those? |
| 00:23.08 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: http://www.apple.com/pro/tips/zip.html is that what you are doing? |
| 00:23.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 00:23.38 | Arrowmaster | god osx is broken then |
| 00:23.44 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* works for me. |
| 00:24.06 | Arrowmaster | why the hell does it include those damn mac specific files |
| 00:24.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Why does it burn CDs in HFS format by default? |
| 00:24.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Who knows! |
| 00:24.33 | Arrowmaster | it does? |
| 00:24.35 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 00:24.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 00:24.37 | Arrowmaster | fail |
| 00:24.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Lots of fail |
| 00:24.45 | NightHawkTheSane | well, .DS_Store and the __MACOS_X stuff is actually used by OSX, if you unzipped it on a mac, you'd actually want those. |
| 00:24.58 | cbreak | not really want |
| 00:25.02 | NightHawkTheSane | well, in theory |
| 00:25.07 | cbreak | they are not useful in an addon context |
| 00:25.12 | Arrowmaster | i didnt even know HFS could be used on CDs |
| 00:25.19 | NightHawkTheSane | we're not really talking about strictly an addon context. |
| 00:25.25 | cbreak | .DS_Store is for window settings, icon positions and so on |
| 00:25.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: it's just a filesystem, like anything else |
| 00:25.38 | cbreak | __MACOSX is for resource forks and file meta |
| 00:26.38 | cbreak | the latter is not used on HFS, only in zip files and flat file systems |
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| 00:29.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: I found that out when someone burned a CD from OSX for use in a PC. It didn't quite work out as intended. |
| 00:29.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i've never had that issue either... |
| 00:30.57 | cbreak | You can make hybrid CDs with hdiutil |
| 00:31.06 | Arrowmaster | wow im trying to read this cleanarchiver documentation |
| 00:31.26 | Arrowmaster | and its breaking rikaichan |
| 00:31.50 | Cidan | You can use any FS on a CD/DVD |
| 00:31.58 | Cidan | well |
| 00:32.00 | Cidan | almost any |
| 00:32.24 | Tekkub | uh... ISO, HFS, and that one DVDs use |
| 00:32.29 | Cidan | UDF |
| 00:32.51 | Tekkub | that's it, kept wanting to say UTF and knew it was wrong |
| 00:33.21 | cbreak | ZFS... :) |
| 00:33.31 | Cidan | UTF is the charset |
| 00:33.37 | cbreak | (Probably won't work though) |
| 00:33.38 | Tekkub | yes I know |
| 00:34.15 | Cidan | ZFS... might... work? I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't |
| 00:34.29 | Cidan | I wish ZFS would change license already |
| 00:34.38 | Cidan | I would switch my servers to it so fast. |
| 00:34.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I wouldn't |
| 00:34.47 | Tekkub | ZootFizzleSystem |
| 00:35.01 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a lot of overhead and maint and administration knowledge involved with ZFS |
| 00:35.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It's at least as involved as manually setting up a partitioned LVM |
| 00:35.18 | ScytheBlade1 | at _least_ |
| 00:35.26 | Cidan | I don't mind |
| 00:35.36 | Cidan | the software raid and hot swapping would be worth it |
| 00:35.40 | Arrowmaster | its XFS you cant shrink partitions on right? |
| 00:35.46 | Cidan | Right |
| 00:35.52 | Arrowmaster | can you on ZFS? |
| 00:36.00 | Cidan | AFAIK, yes |
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| 00:46.54 | cbreak | there are rumors that the next OS X will contain ZFS |
| 00:56.56 | Tekkub | OSeX, now with ZootFizzleS |
| 01:00.45 | Cidan | That would be neat |
| 01:00.56 | Cidan | if OSX has ZFS, but, what ScytheBlade1 said is true |
| 01:01.11 | Cidan | I don't think ZFS is mature enough |
| 01:01.27 | Cidan | In particular for end users, and even MORE so for OS X, the "do everything for you" OS |
| 01:01.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It's complex |
| 01:01.53 | Cidan | It's also too new |
| 01:01.56 | ScytheBlade1 | "nontrivial" to administer :) |
| 01:01.56 | ScytheBlade1 | me |
| 01:01.58 | ScytheBlade1 | *meh |
| 01:02.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I ran reiser4 a few *years* ago ;) |
| 01:02.22 | Cidan | Yeah |
| 01:02.28 | cbreak | the default OS X users would just use HFS+ (as default) |
| 01:02.28 | Cidan | I'd murder for a good FS like reiser. |
| 01:02.35 | ScytheBlade1 | oh-ho! |
| 01:02.38 | Cidan | Sorry, bad joke. |
| 01:03.09 | Cidan | right now I use JFS for the most part |
| 01:03.10 | Arrowmaster | i never liked how reiser just had to do things differently |
| 01:03.26 | Cidan | Hey, I do things just to be different |
| 01:03.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm on reiser3 atm |
| 01:03.37 | Cidan | I don't use libraries for WoW, Shirik and I wrote our own |
| 01:04.03 | Cidan | AND we didn't use XML, programatic UI ftw. |
| 01:04.22 | Arrowmaster | well didnt some programs need to coded just to work with reiser because of how it did things differently than other fs? |
| 01:04.23 | Cidan | I've actually started to write a programatic library for Android |
| 01:04.50 | cbreak | are there non-programatic libraries? |
| 01:04.56 | Cidan | I mean |
| 01:05.14 | Cidan | for UI interaction and drawing, and the programs them self |
| 01:05.23 | Cidan | Android works much like WoW actually |
| 01:05.29 | Cidan | Actually, almost just like it |
| 01:05.33 | Cidan | but in Java |
| 01:05.42 | Cidan | even supports XML for drawing to the screen, etc. |
| 01:06.37 | Cidan | but yes, VFL for WoW used XML in the library to create frame templates, etc |
| 01:14.51 | Gnarfoz | <Cidan> Android works much like WoW actually <- I *wonder* how that came to be. :D |
| 01:15.03 | Cidan | Uhm |
| 01:15.08 | Cidan | I don't know, am I missing something? |
| 01:15.52 | Gnarfoz | google employees playing too much WoW, being one possibility ;> |
| 01:16.01 | Cidan | Likely. |
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| 01:16.26 | Cidan | I mean, the interface system for WoW is solid, best in any game hands down. |
| 01:16.36 | Cidan | So it would make sense they would borrow from it |
| 01:25.48 | WobWork | http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/10/20/mgk-versus-his-adolescent-reading-habits/ |
| 01:25.56 | WobWork | mgk for president |
| 01:26.48 | Tekkub | "Hey, kids! God isn't real!" perfect |
| 01:26.58 | Tekkub | plus it has Panserbjorn! |
| 01:27.29 | WobWork | two more pages attached to that post also |
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| 01:40.03 | WobWork | âAfter making it through book 10 of the WoT, I really do have to ask what Robert Jordan porn would read like.â |
| 01:40.15 | WobWork | The main character would surrounded by a circle of cold, aloof women, all of them naked and glowering at him disapprovingly. Then, in synch with some horrible soundless symphony, they would all begin pulling their braids. |
| 01:40.22 | kd3 | rofl |
| 01:40.26 | kd3 | lmfao |
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| 01:55.49 | ScytheBlade1 | _G["LootCloseButton"]:HookScript("OnShow", function() print("yay") end) |
| 01:55.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know why that doesn't work at all? |
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| 02:00.01 | End | ScytheBlade1: is the handler being changed? |
| 02:00.44 | End | for that matter, does it have a handler? |
| 02:01.05 | End | it only works if OnShow has already had a script set to it |
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| 02:06.45 | ScytheBlade1 | End: ah, the latter would probably be it |
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| 02:32.54 | m35 | Robert Jordan porn lmao |
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| 02:39.10 | bnovc | can i not use 'require' in an addon? |
| 02:39.14 | bnovc | i just get an error every time |
| 02:39.19 | bnovc | works fine with lua.exe |
| 02:39.33 | Arrowmaster | you cannot |
| 02:39.52 | bnovc | uh |
| 02:39.57 | bnovc | so i have to put all my code in one file? |
| 02:40.00 | bnovc | i can't abstract it? |
| 02:40.08 | ScytheBlade1 | You can have multiple <Script> lines in .xml |
| 02:40.11 | bnovc | i wanted to be able to make my non-warcraft specific code in a separate file |
| 02:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Or multiple files listed in the .toc |
| 02:40.25 | ScytheBlade1 | (Of either xml or lua) |
| 02:40.26 | bnovc | and they would just all be accessible from the files then? |
| 02:40.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Depending on globals and load order, yes |
| 02:40.43 | bnovc | ok thanks |
| 02:47.34 | bleeter | DONDE ESTA LA POLLO!!!??? |
| 02:47.42 | Lopeppeppy | Crossing the road. |
| 02:47.54 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 02:49.25 | End | I wonder about bleeter's misery |
| 02:49.41 | Lopeppeppy | I try not to enquire. |
| 02:49.46 | NightHawkTheSane | inquire |
| 02:50.13 | bleeter | reference: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=OVYvbd8PD-Q |
| 02:50.44 | bleeter | one of the greatest bands from NZ of all time are reforming |
| 02:50.48 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, once I typed it I saw I chose the wrong one. I am soooo food coma from having dinner with alestane. |
| 02:51.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh, perfectly excusable then. good dinner with decent company always does that |
| 02:52.52 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, pumpkin cheesecake with caramel drizzle and ginger whipped cream. Fooooood coma! :) |
| 02:53.25 | NightHawkTheSane | ... okay, now i hate you. :) |
| 02:54.07 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm. Olive Garden, baby. |
| 02:55.37 | [Wobin] | pumpkin cheesecake? |
| 02:55.45 | [Wobin] | You crazy americans |
| 02:55.52 | [Wobin] | putting pumpkin in desserts |
| 02:56.17 | NightHawkTheSane | we'll put ANYTHING in ANYTHING! |
| 02:56.25 | [Wobin] | That's what -she- sai |
| 02:56.25 | [Wobin] | d |
| 02:56.30 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 02:56.35 | NightHawkTheSane | you only wish :p |
| 02:56.48 | Lopeppeppy | Ginger pumpkin caramel cheesecake whipped cream yum yum yum. |
| 02:56.52 | [Wobin] | Yeah, she said that too =( |
| 02:57.04 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch! |
| 02:57.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ~comfort [Wobin] |
| 02:57.12 | purl | There, there, [Wobin]. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:57.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart [Wobin] |
| 02:57.15 | purl | hereby declares [Wobin] a troll |
| 02:57.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i hate your brackets, wobin |
| 02:57.51 | Wobin | Blame that damned nickstealer |
| 02:58.11 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 02:58.12 | Wobin | damned norwegian wobins |
| 02:58.30 | Wobin | but I have the power of GHOST |
| 02:58.37 | bleeter | omg it's wobin hai |
| 02:58.46 | Lopeppeppy | Hai 2 Ghost. |
| 02:59.18 | Wobin | hai bleeter |
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| 03:25.52 | End | oh dear |
| 03:26.06 | End | those abominations in andorhol are still elite |
| 03:26.25 | Tekkub | just a little |
| 03:26.40 | End | well, I brought one of those, plus 5 or 6 other guys with me |
| 03:31.25 | kd3 | wow |
| 03:31.29 | kd3 | just got crit for 36k |
| 03:32.21 | End | by? |
| 03:32.52 | kd3 | brut |
| 03:32.57 | End | ah |
| 03:34.18 | |Jelly| | ~hug Peppy |
| 03:34.19 | purl | ACTION hugs Peppy |
| 03:36.24 | bleeter | most of the time, everything is just swell around here |
| 03:38.08 | bleeter | AS LONG AS MY HEART KEEPS THUMPING I GUESS I'LL KEEP PUMPIN GAS |
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| 03:40.01 | Mundy[wrk] | does CT_RaidTracker work post-3.0.2 |
| 03:40.03 | Mundy[wrk] | ? |
| 03:41.58 | bleeter | if it does, I blame cide |
| 03:42.05 | bleeter | if it doesn't, I'd still blame cide |
| 03:42.11 | bleeter | 'coz all is cide's fault |
| 03:42.30 | Mundy[wrk] | oh ok |
| 03:42.50 | bleeter | aka - try it and find out, check websites for success reports etc. |
| 03:42.57 | NightHawkTheSane | baby dwarf hippo... so cute.. http://lordy.wordmess.net/20081109/little-monifa/ |
| 03:43.04 | bleeter | coz doesn't look like anyone who's active can answer |
| 03:48.16 | kd3 | sweet. got the best caster offhand in the game |
| 03:48.48 | Corrodias | nighthawk: kinda looks like a turd with a mouth |
| 03:48.56 | Mundy[wrk] | well you've got around 4 days to enjoy it |
| 03:48.58 | bleeter | mwhahahahahaha |
| 03:49.19 | bleeter | gotta love lack of protection against destroying blues and betters via DE |
| 03:49.24 | bleeter | :P |
| 03:50.56 | bleeter | hmm, would that actually be possible. put up some mega frame so no matter where you click in the 'world', it goes thru your bags and DEs anything it finds each time you left click.. hmm... |
| 03:51.13 | Cidan | eh |
| 03:51.34 | Cidan | RDX used to wipe out the settings and tamper with other settings of anyone who downloaded it outside of his guild. |
| 03:51.54 | bleeter | heh |
| 03:51.56 | Cidan | Venificus's guild, that is. |
| 03:52.34 | bleeter | oh, a question I've been meaning to ask regulars. Carbonite - devilspawn or otherwise? |
| 03:52.53 | bleeter | I've played a little, has some nice stuff... still buggy enough to not make me wanna part with $ before reporting bugs |
| 03:54.04 | End | Carbonite is chatty...it looks like someone with the addon keeps sending me WHISPER chat messages |
| 03:54.17 | End | noticed it when I was debugging one of my addons |
| 03:54.35 | End | at least, I think it was Carbonite...had the Crb prefix |
| 03:54.35 | Arrowmaster | it also joins some global channel i think |
| 03:54.41 | End | weird |
| 03:54.42 | bleeter | i noticed additional chat channels when i tried it |
| 03:55.02 | bleeter | screwed up my channel ordering, I was all 'wtf isn't that what addon channels are for??' :/ |
| 03:55.27 | bleeter | i did try a couple of other addons at the time, but nothing that made me immediately think they'd be the cause |
| 03:55.39 | Arrowmaster | i think its doing global comms with anybody that has it installed |
| 03:56.11 | bleeter | yeah, that's another thing I noticed about it |
| 03:56.25 | bleeter | it's default is to send your location and questing info foo to everyone else who has the addon |
| 03:56.33 | bleeter | ie, 'privacy' is disabled by default |
| 03:56.43 | End | it was sending info to me, but I don't even have the addon! |
| 03:56.43 | bleeter | hate that kinda stuff |
| 03:56.58 | End | best I can tell, it probably sends to everyone on your friends list |
| 03:57.02 | Arrowmaster | sounds like what DBM did too |
| 03:57.10 | bleeter | heh |
| 03:57.12 | Arrowmaster | except DBM did it with normal whispers |
| 03:57.18 | Syzgyn | Woooo Kil'Jaeden attempts |
| 03:57.26 | bleeter | yeah, anyways... this is pretty much all the reasons why I'm not even gunna try the full commercial version |
| 03:57.39 | bleeter | I'd class some of it's behaviour as 'dodgy' if not 'downright rude' |
| 03:58.01 | Arrowmaster | dont they send you a version made to work with just your character or something? |
| 03:58.04 | bleeter | but to say I'm not tempted to try... that map is quite win |
| 03:58.11 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: yeah |
| 03:58.51 | Cidan | sigh |
| 03:58.55 | Cidan | I want WotLK already |
| 03:58.58 | Cidan | so bored of TBC |
| 03:59.05 | Wobin | when's it out? |
| 03:59.06 | bleeter | I gave up on TBC months ago |
| 03:59.08 | Cidan | Wednesday |
| 03:59.13 | Cidan | well Thursday |
| 03:59.15 | bleeter | Wobin: wed night/thurs morning our time |
| 03:59.17 | Cidan | but Wednesday midnight |
| 03:59.31 | Arrowmaster | no thursday midnight |
| 03:59.35 | bleeter | oh... hang on... maybe thurs/fri |
| 03:59.37 | Arrowmaster | midnight is the start of the day |
| 03:59.55 | Cidan | no... |
| 03:59.56 | Tekkub | or is it the end? |
| 03:59.57 | bleeter | Wobin: yeah, thurs night/fri morning |
| 04:00.02 | Cidan | no, it's the start |
| 04:00.07 | Cidan | midnight = 00:00 |
| 04:00.12 | bleeter | 00:00 |
| 04:00.14 | bleeter | yeah |
| 04:00.17 | Tekkub | only people who use 24-hr time know! |
| 04:00.35 | Tekkub | another reason not use use that AM/PM bullshit |
| 04:00.42 | Tekkub | down with AM/PM... and DLST! |
| 04:00.48 | Gnarfoz | agreed |
| 04:00.49 | bleeter | Wobin: I should be back from dialup hell and on Internode by then ... wed night is a bit too close ;) |
| 04:01.02 | Wobin | I keep meaning to switch to internode |
| 04:01.03 | bleeter | UGT FOR ALL!!!! |
| 04:01.04 | Cidan | DST is crap |
| 04:01.09 | Cidan | and I love 24 hour time |
| 04:01.13 | Cidan | makes so much more sense |
| 04:01.20 | Wobin | it'll cost me $150 for breach of contract |
| 04:01.23 | bleeter | screw 24 hours... UGT OR DEATH!! |
| 04:03.28 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:03.36 | bleeter | Wobin: it's all much of a muchness down my way, no ADSL2 ports in the past three years, likely not to be any more for another year... only reason I chose Internode was to have a distributed filesystem of.. erm... stuff... with my brother in Sydney |
| 04:03.37 | Tekkub | UGly Time? |
| 04:03.38 | Wobin | I'll restart my account then |
| 04:03.42 | Wobin | ~ugt |
| 04:03.43 | purl | i guess ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 04:03.59 | Tekkub | GST is better than your crappy UGT |
| 04:04.12 | End | ...greeting standard time? |
| 04:04.14 | Wobin | GST? What, 10% of everything? =P |
| 04:04.17 | Tekkub | Gay Std Time |
| 04:04.23 | End | I dunno |
| 04:04.30 | End | D: |
| 04:04.37 | End | wait |
| 04:04.39 | End | is that |
| 04:04.39 | Wobin | GST |
| 04:04.47 | End | std as in std, or std as in standard? |
| 04:04.48 | Wobin | Whatever time it is, it's a FABULOUS time |
| 04:05.59 | bleeter | Wobin: oh, and I was pulling rsync from internode anyways... so... there goes ~25GB per month of data onto their 'free' service, so .. moving to a 40GB plan from my current ISP's 30GB, I'm actually gaining a fair bit more data ;) |
| 04:06.32 | bleeter | and I really wanna try out the node's WoW tunnels |
| 04:06.46 | bleeter | if I can get another ~150ms off my ping, I'll be laughing |
| 04:07.33 | bleeter | lowest I ever got off my old ISP was ~250-275ms |
| 04:07.36 | ajmitch | though with my new ISP, I saw a < 200ms ping yesterday |
| 04:07.58 | bleeter | layer 2 from tassie to brisbane, then onto tcp/ip back to sydney, then accross the pacific. |
| 04:08.20 | bleeter | was usually about ~75ms faster than tcp/ip outta tas |
| 04:08.40 | Wobin | internode also offer static ips I think |
| 04:08.47 | Wobin | cheaper than iinet do |
| 04:08.51 | bleeter | yar, not on residential though. their soho. |
| 04:08.53 | Wobin | and don't charge for upstream |
| 04:09.03 | bleeter | and their CEO is very public. |
| 04:09.03 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:09.12 | Wobin | wonder about the difference in plan costs |
| 04:09.19 | bleeter | posting near daily to whirlpool, even though it is a cesspit I admire him for that |
| 04:10.15 | bleeter | the real bummer is, if I didn't care about packet loss I could have free dsl :( |
| 04:10.43 | bleeter | 'not what you know but who' etc |
| 04:12.58 | Nom- | upstream is only charged on Naked DSL @ iiNet |
| 04:14.21 | bleeter | I'm still trying to wrap my head around the whole networking the nation speedup for broadband plan, at the same time as installing mandatory filters and slowing us all down further |
| 04:14.25 | Wobin | Nom-: yes |
| 04:14.28 | Wobin | which is what I'm on |
| 04:14.35 | Wobin | atm |
| 04:14.57 | Nom- | Well, one of two things will happen |
| 04:15.14 | Nom- | 1. Telstra will win the bid, and won't be split up. We'll step back 10 years in competition |
| 04:15.23 | bleeter | only 10? try 30 |
| 04:15.29 | Wobin | thankfully I practically live above the DSLAM exchange |
| 04:15.42 | Nom- | 2. A consortium will win the bid, and a new independent supplier will be created, and we'll move forward decades in competition |
| 04:15.55 | Wobin | So it |
| 04:15.57 | Wobin | 's |
| 04:16.03 | Wobin | two steps forward or it's two steps back |
| 04:16.13 | Wobin | (we come together cause opp-osites attract, and you know...) |
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| 04:16.16 | bleeter | Nom-: I've still got my money on '3. No one will want to seriously touch it' |
| 04:16.24 | Nom- | yep, remembering it will take 10 years to build |
| 04:16.52 | bleeter | as fucked in the head as telstra are, I really don't think they want to get involved with the current policy framework |
| 04:17.39 | bleeter | to make a bid for a governemnt tender, when there's no indication of what regulations will be in place, asking the bidder to nominate what regulations they'd like to see... |
| 04:17.53 | bleeter | in the current economic climate, would make funding pretty nasty all round, imo |
| 04:18.37 | bleeter | 'hai mr telco, im a bank, lemme loan you $10Billion on some vague esoteric plan with no official framework'... yu |
| 04:18.40 | bleeter | p |
| 04:19.02 | bleeter | Australia: Just when you thought the internet couldn't get more fucked up.... |
| 04:19.43 | bleeter | Wobin, Nom-: You seen the Cleanfeed Hitler video? http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=tH35CVig3fQ&fmt=18 |
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| 04:20.33 | Jeromy | hello all, how do I capture the mouse wheel scroll? |
| 04:20.44 | bleeter | 'tell them we'll build more tubes' 'dear leader, this isn't 1999, no one will fall for that again' |
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| 04:26.00 | bleeter | Nom-, Wobin: On the subject of Internode being quite vocal... http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/10/2414895.htm |
| 04:27.03 | bleeter | "I'm not talking about normal, everyday wrongness. I'm talking about the kind of wrongness that comes with its own theme music and marching band." |
| 04:27.58 | Wobin | That's such an opinion piece =) |
| 04:29.51 | Nom- | :) |
| 04:29.58 | bleeter | places like the ABC are prolly quite fearful of cleanfeed, too |
| 04:30.23 | Nom- | My personal opinion is, it will never happen. |
| 04:30.30 | Nom- | If it does, however, my passport is still current. |
| 04:31.18 | Wobin | Nom-: Yes |
| 04:31.19 | Nom- | I'm actually quite serious about that too... I'd go work in the US for a couple of years while they work out how bad it is |
| 04:31.23 | Nom- | :) |
| 04:31.25 | Wobin | Lets emmigrate to America! |
| 04:31.38 | Wobin | Land of the Free =) |
| 04:31.50 | Nom- | I'm sure I could get a programmer job in California ... |
| 04:32.16 | bleeter | I might just go Kiwi land |
| 04:32.19 | Nom- | That's nice most of the year, and most of the stuff I want to visit is nearby. |
| 04:32.24 | Wobin | I hear there's an alaskan senator looking for a internet security person |
| 04:32.29 | bleeter | hahaha |
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| 04:46.16 | Nom- | So happy that I got my bear mount last night ^_^ |
| 04:47.28 | Antiarc | http://i36.tinypic.com/2mwrpn9.jpg <-- hudmap is sweet for raiding |
| 04:47.33 | Antiarc | It tells me where not to stand |
| 04:51.16 | durcyn | Antiarc: are those your libbars buff displays, or ebb |
| 04:51.21 | Antiarc | ebb |
| 04:53.10 | Nom- | interesting... |
| 04:53.21 | Nom- | how does it work out where everyone is in an instance ? |
| 04:53.43 | bleeter | proximity detectors? |
| 04:54.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: it doesn't need to, it's just a reskinned minimap |
| 04:54.40 | Kaso | Oooh |
| 04:54.43 | Kaso | thats clever |
| 04:54.51 | Nom- | ooooh |
| 04:54.53 | Nom- | i get it |
| 04:55.41 | bleeter | Antiarc: that's pretty freakin' cool |
| 04:56.23 | bleeter | Antiarc: btw.. MOAR NRGY N COMBO POINTS NAO!! :P |
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| 04:57.32 | bleeter | Nom-, Wobin: one thing that's annoying me about 'node atm, it appears as though you can't access your IMAP mail, partciluarly IMAPS, if you're not on their network :/ |
| 04:57.43 | bleeter | webmail access seems OK, still trying to work out if that's partially my fault tho |
| 04:58.53 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:59.03 | Wobin | I've not used ispmail for a very long time now |
| 04:59.23 | Wobin | sticking to gmail and the like means I don't need to worry about changing isps |
| 04:59.39 | Nom- | I use fetchmail to fetch my isp mail to my mail server |
| 04:59.39 | Nom- | :) |
| 04:59.39 | Wobin | and I don't lose mail if my computer gets wiped |
| 04:59.46 | bleeter | yar, I got everything from them going to my gmail.. but still.. bit weird |
| 04:59.49 | Wobin | which has happened more often than I'd like |
| 04:59.49 | Nom- | I have my own domain which has all my mail on it |
| 05:00.02 | bleeter | hoyl shit, the state goverment's finally announced they're opening Basslink haha |
| 05:00.24 | Nom- | lol |
| 05:00.27 | Nom- | bloody tasmanians |
| 05:00.48 | bleeter | I like the final line in the ABC news story, tho |
| 05:00.55 | bleeter | "Along with Telstra, there will now be three companies offering high speed internet options in Tasmania." :/ |
| 05:02.04 | Wobin | crazy tassies |
| 05:03.56 | bleeter | it's the whole three-headed thing, Wobin ;) |
| 05:04.41 | Wobin | Tasmanians are proof that Kiwis can swim |
| 05:05.07 | NightHawkTheSane | *blink* http://www.bingegamer.net/2008/top-ten-soulcalibur-iv-custom-characters/ |
| 05:05.50 | Wobin | this will end badly |
| 05:05.51 | bleeter | Wobin: no, Melbourne's proof that Tasmanian's can swim :P |
| 05:05.55 | Wobin | from the name of the url alone |
| 05:06.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: seriously, read it. it's awesome. |
| 05:06.20 | NightHawkTheSane | you'll totally not regret it. |
| 05:06.48 | Wobin | Sagat is really well done =) |
| 05:07.47 | Cidan | I think SC3 was better than 45 |
| 05:07.49 | Cidan | er |
| 05:07.49 | Cidan | 4 |
| 05:07.55 | Cidan | 4 was a huge letdown for me |
| 05:08.03 | Tekkub | why must ROM managers be such shitty programs? |
| 05:08.13 | Cidan | What do you mean? |
| 05:08.16 | Wobin | oh god |
| 05:08.21 | Wobin | SC3 was horrrrible |
| 05:08.24 | kd3 | 20723/21k |
| 05:08.24 | Cidan | what? |
| 05:08.28 | Cidan | SC3 was amazing |
| 05:08.28 | Wobin | SC2 was better than 3 |
| 05:08.30 | Cidan | SC2 was too |
| 05:08.35 | Cidan | but SC3 was great |
| 05:08.43 | Wobin | The terrible rpg element? |
| 05:09.10 | Cidan | wasn't that horrible compared to the tower thing |
| 05:09.15 | Cidan | I liked the RPG thing! |
| 05:09.25 | Wobin | Every randomised custom character always ended up "Dancer" |
| 05:09.37 | Wobin | and getting beaten around the head with a tambourine was irritating =P |
| 05:09.52 | Wobin | It was horribly executed |
| 05:09.59 | Cidan | I don't like the SC4 character creation either |
| 05:10.02 | Wobin | of course, that whole concept isn't easily well done |
| 05:10.17 | Wobin | I preferred SC2's story mode |
| 05:11.02 | Wobin | tambourine |
| 05:11.06 | Wobin | not didgeridoo |
| 05:11.11 | bleeter | oh sorry |
| 05:11.16 | bleeter | those two always confuse me |
| 05:11.29 | Wobin | SC4 has one character that does that |
| 05:11.34 | Wobin | she's the tiny schoolgirl |
| 05:11.36 | bleeter | confuses me? |
| 05:11.38 | Wobin | with a giant hitting stick |
| 05:11.58 | Wobin | and in no way phallic AT ALL |
| 05:12.00 | Wobin | NO REALLY |
| 05:12.11 | Wobin | JUST SMALL GIRL WITH BIG TREE TRUNK |
| 05:16.17 | Cidan | man |
| 05:16.30 | Cidan | the way google calendar syncs with your android is nice |
| 05:17.15 | Tekkub | you know, the biggest thing holding me back from android, and iPhone, is that whole phone half |
| 05:17.17 | Wobin | well I'd -hope- it does =P |
| 05:17.24 | Tekkub | I don't want nor need a phone |
| 05:17.32 | Wobin | Tekkub: get a pda then |
| 05:17.43 | Tekkub | why though? |
| 05:17.49 | Wobin | for the nonphone half |
| 05:17.52 | Tekkub | I wand android funs |
| 05:18.10 | Tekkub | *want |
| 05:18.44 | Cidan | It's really nice |
| 05:18.53 | Cidan | and T-Mobile == best cell service evar |
| 05:19.10 | Tekkub | and how much does that service cost you? :P |
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| 05:19.37 | Cidan | uhm |
| 05:19.38 | Cidan | all in all |
| 05:19.42 | Cidan | 60 bucks |
| 05:19.48 | NightHawkTheSane | this is pretty awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2BxePFqaDo&fmt=18 |
| 05:20.13 | Tekkub | see now, I pay $14 a month and that feels like rapage for the amount I use the phone |
| 05:20.58 | Cidan | Yeah, I was using like, a pre-pay before this, but, I was tired of it |
| 05:21.02 | Cidan | and I really needed a PDA |
| 05:22.13 | End | then I realized I needed a new phone service |
| 05:22.21 | End | my G1 should arrive monday |
| 05:22.31 | End | actually, it was supposed to arrive friday, but I missed the ups gay |
| 05:22.32 | End | >:( |
| 05:22.33 | End | guy |
| 05:24.08 | Cidan | yeah |
| 05:24.09 | NightHawkTheSane | doh |
| 05:24.15 | Cidan | I was using at least 15/week |
| 05:24.16 | Cidan | so I was like |
| 05:24.17 | Cidan | fuck it |
| 05:24.26 | Cidan | may as well just get the G1 |
| 05:24.39 | End | well, I need a new toy to play with anyways ;-p |
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| 05:32.58 | abyx | is the addon studio on codeplex worth using? i've tried installing the current version and the beta version and they both have errors |
| 05:33.01 | Shirik | HI CIDAN |
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| 05:36.13 | Cidan | HI SHIRIK |
| 05:36.17 | Cidan | SHIT RICK |
| 05:36.20 | Cidan | =D |
| 05:36.21 | Shirik | ... |
| 05:36.29 | Cidan | How be you? |
| 05:36.37 | Shirik | I just got kicked from guild |
| 05:36.43 | Shirik | and I'm debating on whether or not I should let them reinvite me |
| 05:37.50 | Cidan | Which? |
| 05:39.32 | Cidan | TG, or your horde one? |
| 05:39.51 | Shirik | horde |
| 05:39.56 | Shirik | It was actually rather amusing |
| 05:40.26 | Shirik | An officer edited my post, so I edited his name, changed his post count into the negatives, and added him to the group "Kimina Fanclub Member" |
| 05:40.34 | Shirik | then he kicked me, then I banned him from the site |
| 05:40.41 | bleeter | Shirik: do what I did, get begged to come back, then on your first run back pull the network card just as their attempting to explot an encounter ;) |
| 05:40.49 | Shirik | Now I'm not quite sure how to unban him actually |
| 05:41.05 | bleeter | oh, I fixed that issue myself by deleting my own admin account >< |
| 05:41.15 | bleeter | made it someone else's problem |
| 05:42.08 | Cidan | lol |
| 05:42.12 | Cidan | Good job |
| 05:42.21 | Cidan | lesson learned |
| 05:42.24 | Cidan | don't play as horde. |
| 05:43.46 | bleeter | I've got to the point on my ally toons, where I log my priest in for an hour or so just to watch AGT |
| 05:44.25 | Cidan | I kill most horde on sight. |
| 05:46.23 | bleeter | I kill everything, horde, allies, whatever... world arenas. everything must die. |
| 05:46.40 | Wobin | =( |
| 05:46.46 | Wobin | Hamster on a piano |
| 05:46.49 | Wobin | eating popcorn |
| 05:46.52 | Wobin | onna piano |
| 05:46.58 | bleeter | unless I'm on my mount on autorun in a straight line get turned 180 degrees and walked back up the road 20 yards |
| 05:47.02 | Shirik | I loves horde |
| 05:47.07 | bleeter | I generally don't kill stuff then 'coz I realise it's pointless |
| 05:49.03 | Cidan | I hates horde. |
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| 05:55.07 | Wobin | Rick Astley won "Best Act Ever" |
| 05:55.25 | Wobin | but he completely missed the opportunity to video in an acceptance speech |
| 05:55.50 | Wobin | "Thank you for this award, all I ever wanted to say to my many fans is:.... We're no strangers to love..." |
| 05:56.27 | Wobin | That would have totally cemented him as the "Coolest internet meme ever" |
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| 06:02.12 | NightHawkTheSane | aye.. that would have been epic |
| 06:11.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Stupid fun: summoning a minipet, flying up in the air, and then making your minipet chase people on the ground. |
| 06:15.35 | Shirik | ~dns google.com |
| 06:16.03 | Shirik | Brighthouse is so damn worthless it's not even funny |
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| 06:21.22 | Guest58155 | uh |
| 06:21.24 | Guest58155 | how did I do that |
| 06:21.26 | Guest58155 | wow |
| 06:21.30 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
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| 06:28.11 | Guest58155 | ok, screw my router |
| 06:28.29 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 06:28.50 | smcn | interesting proposition |
| 06:28.58 | NightHawkTheSane | sounds painful. |
| 06:29.07 | NightHawkTheSane | alternately: router? I hardly know her! |
| 06:29.13 | Dewin | Oh yeah, stick your ethernet cable in my ports baby. |
| 06:29.32 | Dewin | wait... I'm the one with the ethernet cable. |
| 06:29.32 | Shirik | Well |
| 06:29.34 | Shirik | here's the scary part |
| 06:29.49 | Shirik | I say to myself "Ok, forget it, I'll just disconnect my computer and connect it directly to the modem" |
| 06:29.58 | Shirik | I go to my router, disconnect the cable that goes to the computer |
| 06:30.09 | Shirik | I go to the modem and look for the cable to remove and can't find it anywhere |
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| 06:30.17 | Shirik | then I see it was already unplugged |
| 06:30.26 | Shirik | I haven't quite yet figured out where I was getting internet from |
| 06:31.34 | Wobin | maaagic? |
| 06:31.49 | Wobin | A haunted router? |
| 06:32.05 | Wobin | maybe your cat5 is on it's tenth life |
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| 06:43.06 | Lonny` | When a friendly NPC becoming hostile towards you, does the GUID changes respectively ? should I mask it all or I can just have 'COMBATLOG_OBJECT_REACTION_HOSTILE' and 'COMBATLOG_OBJECT_REACTION_NEUTRAL' ? I know the GUID is created when a unit spawns, but I still wonder ? :P |
| 06:46.46 | sylvanaar | every so often i think its a good idea to disable the page file in windows |
| 06:47.11 | Tekkub | sylvanaar, and then you quickly realize you use more memory than you think you do? |
| 06:47.12 | sylvanaar | it really isnt - im not sure how i convince myself of it each time |
| 06:48.08 | sylvanaar | well, vista adds superfetch - so memory use is maximized all the time |
| 06:49.00 | Tekkub | yea I mean used by progs |
| 06:49.30 | sylvanaar | well, it all comes from the same place once you disable the page file. |
| 06:49.46 | ccox | disable the paging file == suicide for windows |
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| 06:50.14 | Tekkub | eh, disabling on XP might not be so bad really |
| 06:50.18 | sylvanaar | nah, just on vista you need more in the 16G range for it to be viable |
| 06:50.28 | Tekkub | only 16? |
| 06:50.41 | Codex| | any reason why this macro is spamming ai only, not ab?: |
| 06:50.43 | Codex| | ./cast [btn:2] Arcane Brilliance; Arcane Intellect |
| 06:50.44 | ccox | every once in a while, some magazine or website says it's a good idea - then lots of tech support calls complain that the OS is crashing or apps are running out of memory |
| 06:51.27 | sylvanaar | i wasnt running out of memory, i was forcing superfetch to free up stuff it had cached. so my system was running very slow |
| 06:51.59 | Codex| | ooh, it might be selfcast gettign in the way |
| 06:52.24 | Codex| | nope, selfcast disabled |
| 06:52.31 | Codex| | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.41 | Tekkub | I'm still debating if I should get two cheap SATA2 drives and run a RAID0 |
| 06:52.48 | sylvanaar | NO |
| 06:52.53 | sylvanaar | NO NO NO NO NO |
| 06:52.55 | Tekkub | yes? |
| 06:52.57 | ccox | sigh. Every once in a while, I think users should be forced to learn what virtual memory is and does. |
| 06:53.04 | sylvanaar | does that help? |
| 06:53.10 | ccox | tekkub - depends on the task |
| 06:53.13 | Tekkub | actually, no it doesn't |
| 06:53.20 | sylvanaar | its the worst idea ever, i have done it |
| 06:53.21 | Tekkub | ccox, shatt :) |
| 06:53.34 | ccox | tekkub - raid0 can help speed, but hurts reliability |
| 06:53.39 | ccox | (and raid5 is a PITA) |
| 06:53.44 | Tekkub | I don't care about reliability |
| 06:53.48 | sylvanaar | and latency |
| 06:53.49 | Tekkub | I have backups |
| 06:53.58 | ccox | for things like temp files, scratch files, etc. it's great |
| 06:54.06 | Tekkub | plus I've never had a drive die on me |
| 06:54.08 | ccox | raid0 doesn't help latency |
| 06:54.17 | Codex| | anyone know the answer to my macro problem? |
| 06:54.18 | Tekkub | the other thought was a SSD |
| 06:54.19 | sylvanaar | it makes latency go up |
| 06:54.29 | ccox | tekkub - count yourself lucky, I have a pile of drives here that have failed in the last year (it's 6 drives deep) |
| 06:54.34 | Tem|afk | ADCFKJASDLFKASJDF |
| 06:54.41 | Tem|afk | SO MUCH FUCKING STUPID PEOPLE |
| 06:54.45 | ccox | SSD of any decent size is currently $EXPENSIVE$ |
| 06:54.48 | Tekkub | USE BOTH HANDS TEM |
| 06:54.49 | Tem|afk | HOW DO WE LET THESE IDIOTS TANK |
| 06:54.58 | Tekkub | oh wait K is on the right |
| 06:55.08 | Tekkub | ccox, only need 32GB |
| 06:55.09 | ccox | Tem - well, someone told paladins that they could tank, and they still try... |
| 06:55.23 | Tem|afk | ccox, have you seen the tank boards lately? |
| 06:55.31 | Tem|afk | there are 4 types of threads |
| 06:55.35 | Tem|afk | 1) Pally QQ |
| 06:55.38 | ccox | Tem - avoiding them, my main is a Prot Warrior |
| 06:55.44 | Tekkub | there are 100 types of threads? |
| 06:55.53 | sylvanaar | raid0 works best when the data you stor on it is homogenous (the same size) |
| 06:55.55 | pompy | someone wipe you tem? |
| 06:55.56 | Tem|afk | 2) Classes that shouldn't tank QQing to be tank viable (hunters, warlocks, shammies) |
| 06:56.15 | Tem|afk | 3) More Pally QQ |
| 06:56.20 | ccox | Tekkub - most likely a RAID0 will help you, but 2 disks won't help a lot (overhead) |
| 06:56.36 | ccox | 4-99) yet more Pally QQ? |
| 06:56.37 | Tem|afk | 4) People posting bullshit about the avoidance DR that they don't understand |
| 06:56.40 | Tekkub | it's mostly just a ponder |
| 06:56.48 | sylvanaar | SSD works best when the data you store on it is mostly written once and then not rewritten |
| 06:56.58 | Tekkub | sylvanaar, uh, wow |
| 06:57.10 | Tekkub | yea I only write that every... how often tdo they patch? |
| 06:57.12 | ccox | sylvanaar - yeah, like game graphics data and sounds |
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| 06:57.57 | Tekkub | I'm certainly not thinking SSD for my system drive |
| 06:58.07 | Shirik | I'm getting a SSD soon |
| 06:58.14 | sylvanaar | which is actually its best application |
| 06:58.15 | Shirik | need it for the car |
| 06:58.26 | Shirik | not putting a platter drive in a car |
| 06:58.38 | Tekkub | splatter drive? |
| 06:58.44 | Shirik | yes, splatter drive |
| 06:58.50 | digmouse | hunters QQ cuz they cant do anything but pewpewing now , they need something interesting |
| 06:58.53 | Tem|afk | (no, really, earlier today, there were 27 pally QQ threads on the front page. 8 of the remaining 23 were hijacked by pallies to QQ and 5 threads by hutards/locks/shammies wanting to be tank viable) |
| 06:59.23 | Nom- | Oh god. What did they nerf now? |
| 06:59.27 | Tem|afk | so, of the 50 on the front page, only 10 threads that were relevant to the forum |
| 06:59.51 | digmouse | anything is a buff for hunters |
| 06:59.57 | Tekkub | Tem |
| 07:00.06 | Tem|afk | (and most of them were people not understanding avoidance DR. *STAB*) |
| 07:00.06 | Tekkub | why the FUCK are you even on the oboards |
| 07:00.12 | Tem|afk | I don't know |
| 07:00.15 | digmouse | (last thought, dont nerf volley, my dieing request) |
| 07:00.17 | Tem|afk | Beta fucked up my head |
| 07:00.17 | Tekkub | I thought you're the rapist told you it was bad for you |
| 07:00.24 | Tekkub | *your |
| 07:00.38 | Tem|afk | the DK boards there weren't full of fucking useless fail |
| 07:00.50 | Tekkub | the beta was more selective |
| 07:00.50 | sylvanaar | there is no useful information on the wow forums |
| 07:01.04 | Tekkub | when the masses aren't there, the stupidity stays low |
| 07:01.05 | Shaone | If I'm gonna use a global chat channel for addon communication, is there any way to keep people from screwing with it? ie spamming, kicking people out, muting people, etc. |
| 07:01.14 | Tekkub | what sylv said... |
| 07:01.26 | Tekkub | The Thread on the UI board is the exception |
| 07:01.50 | Shaone | I know there are addon channels but they are limited to guild, party, etc. I need something for global messages. |
| 07:02.16 | sylvanaar | you need to gain moderation on the channel |
| 07:02.25 | sylvanaar | and be online 24/hrs a day |
| 07:02.49 | Shaone | Well that won't happen :( |
| 07:02.57 | sylvanaar | theres your answer |
| 07:03.22 | Shaone | Hmm |
| 07:03.25 | sylvanaar | answer 2 |
| 07:03.36 | sylvanaar | dynamically generate the name of the channel |
| 07:03.44 | sylvanaar | and publish it somehow |
| 07:03.54 | Shaone | Well it'll still be in the channel list |
| 07:04.17 | sylvanaar | you the only person in the channel? |
| 07:04.51 | sylvanaar | wehn you create it...you get moderation...then publish the name |
| 07:05.39 | Shaone | Right, I'm looking for something transparent for global addon communication. |
| 07:06.51 | sylvanaar | or come up with a way to dynamically generate the channel names based on an encrypted algorithm |
| 07:07.12 | sylvanaar | its all up to you |
| 07:07.48 | Shaone | All that is still prone to tampering |
| 07:08.04 | Tekkub | there is no tamper-proof solution |
| 07:08.08 | Tekkub | deal with it |
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| 07:14.37 | sylvanaar | fuck you tem, i went and read the druid forums |
| 07:14.57 | Tem|afk | I haven't been to good old 10015 in a while |
| 07:15.01 | sylvanaar | i hate that "Evolution of healing" post so much |
| 07:15.05 | Tem|afk | are they as worthless as I expect? |
| 07:15.25 | sylvanaar | i want to set fire to that smug little tree that made the OP |
| 07:15.53 | Tem|afk | it's old |
| 07:15.54 | Tem|afk | very old |
| 07:16.07 | sylvanaar | i know, but now ITS STICKIED |
| 07:16.13 | Tem|afk | from when people still thought dreamstate was better that DoL |
| 07:16.16 | Tem|afk | ToL* |
| 07:16.42 | sylvanaar | i know, i was just reminded how much i hated it, since its right at the top |
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| 07:20.08 | Nom- | http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=QDO8vCL7-Qs <-- i take it that's why they nerfed windfury :P |
| 07:20.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: depends, which nerf? >< |
| 07:21.09 | Nom- | oh wait they didn't nerf it |
| 07:21.18 | Nom- | It's a video of a shaman running around with a S3 2-hander |
| 07:21.28 | Nom- | Doing windfury weapon crits... 1-shotting people |
| 07:21.43 | NightHawkTheSane | meh |
| 07:21.45 | Nom- | basically windfury combos for as much as 10k damage |
| 07:22.24 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, with zerking up and hitting ungeared scrubs in WSG, sure. |
| 07:22.59 | Nom- | ya ... fukn ouch tho |
| 07:23.30 | Nom- | at least with a pally you can see the truck coming (you have 3 GCD for max burst) |
| 07:23.31 | NightHawkTheSane | "meh" he'd never be able to do that against an equally geared opponent. not that it matters anyway, pvp in wow's a joke. |
| 07:24.12 | NightHawkTheSane | although, as an aside, that IS why windfury was nerfed, way back. Because resto shamans could run around with a big 2h weapon and do serious damage |
| 07:24.43 | Nom- | yeah... the 3 second cooldown |
| 07:24.46 | Nom- | or whatever it was |
| 07:24.48 | NightHawkTheSane | nah |
| 07:25.19 | Nom- | windfury proccing windfury ? |
| 07:25.35 | NightHawkTheSane | that change was adding the "Elemental weapons" talent, to deflate the AP bonus for non-enh specs. |
| 07:26.07 | NightHawkTheSane | the 3s CD was to prevent crazy burst with near simultaneous MH/OH WF procs |
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| 07:31.26 | Wobin | awwww =\ |
| 07:33.31 | Shaone | Does WoW use chat frames 3-7? If so, what are they used for? |
| 07:34.29 | NightHawkTheSane | they're not used by default. users can use them for whatever they like, however. |
| 07:35.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: only xkcd could pull together astronomy, your mom jokes, and good old fashioned "awwwww.." in one comi. |
| 07:35.48 | NightHawkTheSane | c |
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| 08:02.41 | Syzgyn | So 1 night of KJ attempts, 20% best. |
| 08:02.57 | Syzgyn | Sadly, I think thats the only chance we're gonna get pre LK |
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| 08:07.01 | pompy | raid bomb get ya or dragons? |
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| 08:36.31 | Shaone | yea the first night of attempts we did on KJ we all stayed an hour extra |
| 08:36.35 | Shaone | And finally downed him |
| 08:58.10 | AbsoRayne | hrm |
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| 09:00.19 | smcn | captain jean luc picard of the uss enterprise |
| 09:03.36 | zenzio | Engage! |
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| 09:19.30 | Nom- | any enhance shamans can recommend (for levelling) going 2-hand or 1-hand + shield ? |
| 09:19.47 | NightHawkTheSane | 2h till you can DW. |
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| 09:21.39 | Nom- | thought that might be better... i've been going 1-hander so far lol |
| 09:21.48 | Nom- | i'll go buy a nice mace off the AH... level 23 almost |
| 09:21.54 | Shaone | Is there an event I can listen for when all the regular chat channels are joined? My addon is trying to join a channel as soon as its loaded, but it sticks itself into position 1 and it gets bugged there |
| 09:22.34 | Arrowmaster | theres an event that fires when you join a channel |
| 09:22.50 | Shaone | Yea |
| 09:23.35 | Shaone | But the player might have left general or something, so it wouldn't fire at all. But if the player is in general, the channel joined by my addon is joined before general, and it bugs out. |
| 09:23.46 | Nom- | NightHawkTheSane: Any thoughts on Rockbiter vs Flametongue ? |
| 09:24.17 | Shaone | Nom-: Flametongue is amazing grinding at lower levels :P |
| 09:24.18 | Arrowmaster | Shaone: just do it on the first OnUpdate then, it will still bug out though if they login on a flightpath |
| 09:24.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: its probably moot, really |
| 09:24.44 | NightHawkTheSane | rockbiter might be slightly better, but *shrug* |
| 09:24.44 | Nom- | pretty much WoW ... waiting on windfury ? |
| 09:24.49 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. |
| 09:24.59 | cladhaire | So why would I be unable to "Grant Level" |
| 09:25.02 | cladhaire | ? |
| 09:25.18 | Nom- | cladhaire: Your target is over level 60 ? |
| 09:25.25 | cladhaire | negative |
| 09:25.25 | Shaone | cladhaire: Are you the recruiter or recruit? |
| 09:25.30 | cladhaire | I am the recruited |
| 09:25.32 | Arrowmaster | its been over 3 months? |
| 09:25.34 | cladhaire | no |
| 09:25.56 | Shaone | You need to be the recruit, under level 60, and above your recruiter's level. |
| 09:25.56 | cladhaire | IsReferAFriendLinked("party1") is true |
| 09:26.05 | cladhaire | I fill all of these requirements |
| 09:26.15 | Shaone | Maybe you're out of level grants then? |
| 09:26.15 | cladhaire | I am level 50, he is level 46. I am the recruit. |
| 09:26.20 | cladhaire | I have used NO level grants at all |
| 09:26.26 | Shaone | Strange.. |
| 09:26.29 | Tekkub | you fail! |
| 09:27.09 | Shaone | They standing next to you? Not sure if there's a range check on level granting or not |
| 09:27.26 | cladhaire | I'll summon him and check |
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| 09:27.52 | cladhaire | ah that appears to have been it :P |
| 09:27.53 | cladhaire | thanks! |
| 09:27.54 | cladhaire | good to know |
| 09:27.56 | krka | he in party? he recruited you? |
| 09:27.58 | Shaone | Mhm |
| 09:28.11 | krka | are you sure you need to be under 60 to grant? |
| 09:28.25 | Arrowmaster | target needs to be under 60 |
| 09:28.30 | krka | yes, i know that |
| 09:28.39 | Tekkub | aw that would be fun if you didn't have to be in range... I can see people running around town leveling up |
| 09:28.43 | cladhaire | it was range |
| 09:28.51 | cladhaire | all sorted now |
| 09:28.53 | cladhaire | two level 50 mages |
| 09:28.57 | cladhaire | only 10 levels to go |
| 09:29.13 | krka | a good trick is to wait with giving levels until they are near ding |
| 09:29.13 | Tekkub | how long you been at it (real world time not /played)? |
| 09:29.41 | NightHawkTheSane | krka: why is that? |
| 09:29.49 | cladhaire | Tekkub: Less than 3 weeks |
| 09:29.54 | cladhaire | and i did it by m yself mostly |
| 09:29.55 | krka | because leveling is slower at high levels |
| 09:29.58 | cladhaire | its much faster if you actually duo |
| 09:30.07 | cladhaire | NightHawkTheSane: because if you're 70% into your level, you stay 70% into your level |
| 09:30.09 | cladhaire | at the higher level |
| 09:30.12 | Shaone | You can squeeze out an extra level by granting at the end of the exp bar |
| 09:30.15 | krka | yes, it's barely any point playing alone with RAF |
| 09:30.18 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: ahah. very neat |
| 09:30.26 | krka | i have 1-58 in like 2 days played |
| 09:30.42 | cladhaire | yeah we're at 1 day 14 hours |
| 09:30.51 | cladhaire | and we'll have a 60 shaman and two 60 mages |
| 09:31.03 | cladhaire | I leveled up to 48 so I could play with the shaman (which is his main) |
| 09:31.11 | cladhaire | by two-boxing mages and pleveling them in dungeons |
| 09:31.16 | cladhaire | which is slow as a druid =( |
| 09:31.25 | smcn | you can fish while sitting! |
| 09:31.25 | Tekkub | my problem is, I don't have anything I'd like to level except for maybe a beef druid |
| 09:31.26 | cladhaire | but now we actually get to play together and i can just boost his mage up |
| 09:31.33 | Arrowmaster | smcn: old |
| 09:31.49 | durcyn | you can also fish while sleeping. irony? |
| 09:32.24 | smcn | woot ds9 crossover episode |
| 09:32.46 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: can you grant any number of levels until he reaches your level? |
| 09:32.53 | cladhaire | no |
| 09:32.59 | cladhaire | 1 per two levels i earned |
| 09:33.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh |
| 09:33.18 | cladhaire | so when I'm 60 |
| 09:33.26 | cladhaire | I have 29 levels to grant, I think |
| 09:33.36 | Tekkub | what I read said do it at 59 |
| 09:33.55 | cladhaire | why? |
| 09:33.55 | Tekkub | it all goes away when you ding 60 |
| 09:34.03 | cladhaire | not true |
| 09:34.04 | Cidan | No it doesn't |
| 09:34.19 | Tekkub | that's just what I read, this is the internet and all that :P |
| 09:34.39 | Nom- | i want to level a warrior, shaman and priest |
| 09:34.41 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 09:34.53 | Nom- | not interested in warlock or rogue though, but if i had the chance i'd level them too :) |
| 09:35.06 | krka | hmm... you should have an equal amount of levels to give at 59 and 60 then |
| 09:35.37 | krka | or does the first level count too? |
| 09:35.47 | krka | even though you never really earned it :P |
| 09:36.08 | cladhaire | I don't know tbh |
| 09:36.32 | krka | should be fairly easy to test i guess |
| 09:36.46 | krka | level a char to level 2, and try to grant a level 1 player |
| 09:37.37 | Nom- | what's that? like 2 mob kills on refer a friend |
| 09:37.38 | Nom- | lol |
| 09:44.59 | cladhaire | anyone done it yet? |
| 09:45.00 | cladhaire | or should i |
| 09:45.01 | cladhaire | heh |
| 09:52.05 | Shaone | Woohoo, found an event that lets me join a channel after the default ones without sticking it at the top of the list |
| 09:52.23 | Arrowmaster | which? |
| 09:52.31 | Shaone | CHANNEL_UI_UPDATE |
| 09:52.33 | cladhaire | you cannot grant a level until level 2 |
| 09:52.53 | NightHawkTheSane | but can you AT level 2? |
| 09:53.07 | Shaone | There's a few channel events that aren't in Wowwiki yet |
| 09:53.37 | Arrowmaster | its on wowprogramming.com though |
| 09:54.00 | cladhaire | NightHawkTheSane: no |
| 09:54.05 | cladhaire | NightHawkTheSane: i said that wrong |
| 09:54.09 | cladhaire | it'll be level 3 before I can grant |
| 09:54.18 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* so it doesn't count your first level |
| 09:54.34 | NightHawkTheSane | so basically, every odd level after 1 you get a level to grant? |
| 09:54.42 | cladhaire | yes |
| 09:55.15 | Nom- | making 59 the last level you get a plus grant |
| 09:55.25 | cladhaire | correct |
| 09:57.24 | krka | good research! |
| 09:59.15 | krka | still sure you can grant after 60? |
| 09:59.19 | krka | has anyone verified it+ |
| 09:59.31 | krka | would suck to lose 29 levels by leveling too much |
| 10:00.01 | Wobin | hehe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx1XIm6q4r4 will always amuse me |
| 10:14.05 | cladhaire | krka: no,i'm not positive |
| 10:14.09 | krka | hm ok |
| 10:14.26 | krka | question 2: is it possible to summon a friend with RAF as a deathknight in the starting zone? |
| 10:14.37 | cladhaire | I don't see why not |
| 10:14.43 | cladhaire | but none of us can test that :P |
| 10:14.51 | krka | DK is a separate faction |
| 10:14.53 | krka | apparently |
| 10:15.09 | cladhaire | oh yeah |
| 10:15.11 | cladhaire | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=1A92F98B1663CCFDD387D96B6AC90F60.app25_01?topicId=11296503111&sid=1 |
| 10:15.14 | krka | basically, i'm wondering if you can boost a DK from 55 to 60 |
| 10:15.19 | cladhaire | that indicates he was able to grant them AT level 60. |
| 10:15.27 | cladhaire | actually you can't friend them |
| 10:15.29 | cladhaire | or invite them to parties |
| 10:15.30 | cladhaire | afaik |
| 10:15.32 | cladhaire | so no |
| 10:15.40 | cladhaire | you can't summon if the're not a friend.. and you can't grant unless they're in your party |
| 10:15.50 | Wobin | hm |
| 10:15.57 | Wobin | what if the zombie event were still running? =) |
| 10:15.59 | krka | hah, pwnd by blizzard :) |
| 10:16.00 | cladhaire | heheh |
| 10:16.17 | krka | pretty clever to both use instancing and separate faction |
| 10:16.17 | Wobin | You'd still have possibly problems summoning |
| 10:16.22 | Wobin | unless you used an instance stone |
| 10:16.36 | krka | instance stone? |
| 10:16.41 | krka | i meant the RAF summon |
| 10:17.14 | Wobin | well you'd be able to party up at least |
| 10:18.03 | Wobin | for the granting |
| 10:18.51 | cladhaire | you'd have to be in the same location |
| 10:18.54 | cladhaire | its distance regulated =/ |
| 10:19.02 | cladhaire | which I honestly didn't expect |
| 10:19.05 | cladhaire | but makes sense |
| 10:19.46 | krka | i thought if a neat trick with hs and summon, but not sure it works |
| 10:20.01 | krka | basically you could have two separate inns, by using summon |
| 10:20.07 | Tem|afk | it works |
| 10:20.17 | krka | cool |
| 10:20.19 | Tem|afk | it's especially nice when one of the two toons is a shaman |
| 10:20.24 | cladhaire | why? |
| 10:20.29 | Tem|afk | nevermind |
| 10:20.31 | Tem|afk | it's 4am |
| 10:20.35 | Tem|afk | i r smrt |
| 10:20.54 | Tem|afk | (it does work, though) |
| 10:21.10 | Wobin | unless you're both hearthed on opposite continents |
| 10:21.14 | Wobin | (if distance is a factor) |
| 10:21.21 | Arrowmaster | RAF summon a warlock to ebon hold (the one you death gate to, not the quest one) |
| 10:22.04 | krka | can't summon across continents? |
| 10:22.26 | Arrowmaster | you cant? |
| 10:22.40 | krka | i'm asking wobin |
| 10:22.57 | Wobin | I have no idea |
| 10:23.07 | Wobin | I'm only going off what clad said about being in the same location |
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| 10:23.59 | cladhaire | headed to the office |
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| 11:10.49 | ZorbaTHut | Okay. It's a function that checks to see if the objective for a quest is known or not. It does not call the WoW API in any manner. |
| 11:11.19 | ZorbaTHut | http://lua.pastey.net/101379 there's the entire code - it crashes on line 14 in that paste |
| 11:11.29 | ZorbaTHut | (the file's 1400 lines long, I can paste it if you really want ;) ) |
| 11:12.12 | jnwhiteh | and what is self.after |
| 11:12.23 | jnwhiteh | and what does i:Known() do |
| 11:12.36 | jnwhiteh | for that matter, what is i.watched |
| 11:14.55 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, actually, I think i:Known might form a recursive call if there's some other bugs. I'll look into that first. it *shouldn't*, but you never know with this codebase |
| 11:15.50 | jnwhiteh | also |
| 11:15.52 | jnwhiteh | you are pcalling |
| 11:15.54 | jnwhiteh | this is your own problem |
| 11:15.55 | jnwhiteh | fix that |
| 11:16.01 | jnwhiteh | and you get a stack listing |
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| 11:16.40 | laeg | does anyone have any thoughts on the best pvp rogue professions in wotlk? |
| 11:19.16 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: which addon is this in, btw? |
| 11:19.39 | ZorbaTHut | jn, Questhelper |
| 11:19.51 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 11:20.06 | jnwhiteh | which in its current state apparently causes tons of issues with my addons :P |
| 11:20.07 | ZorbaTHut | it's sort of a beast in many ways. :) |
| 11:20.13 | jnwhiteh | that's one way to put it |
| 11:20.20 | ZorbaTHut | oh? what's it do? I haven't heard of compatibility issues in a while, what's the problem? |
| 11:20.21 | jnwhiteh | ;-) |
| 11:20.27 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 11:20.33 | jnwhiteh | the WORLD_MAP_UPDATE race condition, for one. |
| 11:20.35 | ZorbaTHut | the last one I heard of was that its button and Mapster's were in the same spot on the map screen ;) |
| 11:21.02 | ZorbaTHut | I know that it used to constantly make those messages (it won't in 0.66), I didn't know there was a race condition attached |
| 11:21.14 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 11:21.24 | jnwhiteh | and nevcairiel reported this to you |
| 11:21.35 | jnwhiteh | in response to WORLD_MAP_UPDATE QH does somethign that triggers yet another WORLD_MAP_UPDATE |
| 11:21.41 | jnwhiteh | this is finally "fixed" by the user opening the world map |
| 11:21.50 | jnwhiteh | but in the meantime, TomTom and any other map mod misbehaves |
| 11:22.03 | ZorbaTHut | that's odd, I've never had trouble running tomtom or cartographer with QH |
| 11:22.12 | jnwhiteh | well its a very simple real issue |
| 11:22.14 | jnwhiteh | open /dtevents |
| 11:22.18 | jnwhiteh | and watch WORLD_MAP_UPDATE fly by |
| 11:22.44 | ZorbaTHut | right, but again, that doesn't prove it actually *creates problems*. and again, that's fixed in 0.66, which I'll be posting once I'm done converting the main page into HTML instead of cursewiki |
| 11:22.53 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 11:23.00 | pompy | anyone that uses beql, get possible an annoying lag/pause when u click the zone, in the quest log? and also when abandoning a quest |
| 11:23.03 | jnwhiteh | it does create problems.. that is not open to discussion. |
| 11:23.05 | jnwhiteh | thanks for fixing it. |
| 11:23.09 | ZorbaTHut | last I heard it was a mere efficiency issue, not an actual problem creator |
| 11:23.15 | jnwhiteh | no, it creates real problem |
| 11:23.17 | jnwhiteh | I'm not an idiot, I promise. |
| 11:23.18 | ZorbaTHut | what does it do? I mean, I'm actually curious here, I've never heard of real problems mentioned |
| 11:23.41 | jnwhiteh | for one, causes the TomTom coordinate block to flash on the screen at times when it shouldnt until the map is sorted out |
| 11:23.50 | zenzio | if it does something that triggers the same event it's responding to, it sounds like a problem |
| 11:23.58 | jnwhiteh | indeed. |
| 11:24.00 | ZorbaTHut | zenzio, I am not arguing that it is a problem :P |
| 11:24.08 | jnwhiteh | *sigh* |
| 11:24.23 | zenzio | ZorbaTHut: then I misunderstood what you were saying, my bad |
| 11:24.25 | ZorbaTHut | I am saying that I've never seen any actual user-facing bugs caused by it. |
| 11:24.30 | jnwhiteh | great |
| 11:24.31 | jnwhiteh | i have |
| 11:24.37 | ZorbaTHut | it's obviously bad, message-spam of any kind is bad, but. |
| 11:24.37 | jnwhiteh | stop telling me they aren't real |
| 11:24.42 | ZorbaTHut | jnwhiteh, why are you being so argumentative? |
| 11:24.45 | ZorbaTHut | I've never said they weren't real |
| 11:24.51 | ZorbaTHut | I've said I didn't know there were any |
| 11:25.00 | jnwhiteh | And Im' telling you there are, so now you do! |
| 11:25.28 | jnwhiteh | Im' not trying to be argumentative.. but you keep reiterating that you didn't know there were real problems, which frankly I don't care about. |
| 11:25.32 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, but it took me a bunch of arguing with you to get you to say what they were, and so far you've only mentioned one . . . which confuses me because I've been using tomtom since long before QH, and I've never seen that issue :) |
| 11:25.42 | ZorbaTHut | I'm curious in what it's doing so I can verify that it's fixed properly |
| 11:25.43 | jnwhiteh | There are, the event problem is HUGE in its own regards |
| 11:25.49 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: enter an instance when the race condition is happening |
| 11:25.57 | jnwhiteh | its WORLD_MAP_UPDATE |
| 11:25.58 | jnwhiteh | thats it |
| 11:26.05 | jnwhiteh | when it fires 30 times a second, it causes problems :P |
| 11:27.06 | jnwhiteh | I'm not trying to be a pain.. or argumentative |
| 11:27.16 | ZorbaTHut | I've done so many times, and haven't seen issues. the reason I'm quite curious about this is because I've been using Tomtom, and Questhelper, and this has apparently existed for months, and yet I've never seen a problem caused. Which is why I'm trying to get a *specific explanation of something that happens* |
| 11:27.25 | jnwhiteh | but I also don't talk bullshit or lie. |
| 11:27.29 | ZorbaTHut | not just "well it causes problems! believe me, I'm right! there are *problems* which it *causes*" |
| 11:27.35 | ZorbaTHut | no, but you also suck at giving bug reports ;) |
| 11:27.39 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 11:27.40 | jnwhiteh | excuse me |
| 11:27.43 | durcyn | if you're going to believe anyway, i'd say cladhaire's a pretty good source. |
| 11:27.46 | jnwhiteh | ehjsus |
| 11:27.48 | jnwhiteh | jesus christ. |
| 11:27.51 | durcyn | anyone rather |
| 11:27.53 | jnwhiteh | I understand you inherited a shitty codebase |
| 11:27.58 | jnwhiteh | with lots of problems |
| 11:28.17 | jnwhiteh | but you were causing a race condition with Astrolabe that was causing WORLD_MAP_UPDATE to fire constantly until the world map is opened. |
| 11:28.19 | ZorbaTHut | durcyn, yeah, I acknowledge that it's a problem, and it's fixed in 0.66. it was just given to me as "it shouldn't be doing this" |
| 11:28.25 | jnwhiteh | That is your bug report |
| 11:28.25 | ZorbaTHut | not "this is causing problem for users". so. |
| 11:28.38 | jnwhiteh | I don't need to elaborate, since that in itself is a huge issue |
| 11:28.41 | jnwhiteh | and yes it does cause real problems |
| 11:28.57 | jnwhiteh | I'm not interested in elaborating, since the issue is fixed now and we both have better things to do with our time |
| 11:29.54 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* I thought I could learn what sorts of problems it caused, making me less likely to re-create them in the future |
| 11:30.06 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, for one, I still don't know why Questhelper did that, and it may turn out to be important. |
| 11:30.12 | jnwhiteh | it is |
| 11:30.23 | jnwhiteh | that was happening because you and Astrolabe were flipping the map back and forth from zone to zone |
| 11:30.24 | ZorbaTHut | at the moment, if it majorly breaks questhelper in an unexpected way, I'm putting that line of code back in ASAP |
| 11:30.38 | jnwhiteh | awesome |
| 11:30.41 | jnwhiteh | remind me never to download QH again |
| 11:30.44 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
| 11:30.46 | ZorbaTHut | and then going and trying to find a real description of what's going on, so I can fix it seriously |
| 11:30.56 | jnwhiteh | well its very easy to troubleshoot |
| 11:31.09 | jnwhiteh | add a few lines to astrolabe and qh to see when and where and why they are calling the function causing the event to fire |
| 11:31.18 | ZorbaTHut | so far I've been told it's a problem and should be unnecessary, but I really don't understand that piece of code, so |
| 11:31.30 | jnwhiteh | well feel free to ask for help |
| 11:31.38 | jnwhiteh | we're a relatively accommodating bunch :p |
| 11:31.39 | ZorbaTHut | I know why QH was doing it - it's because there was a conditional which explicitly did it. I don't know why that conditional existed, though, and that gets into game logic stuff |
| 11:31.49 | ZorbaTHut | QH is not the best-documented thing around :) |
| 11:31.58 | jnwhiteh | can you paste that code |
| 11:32.11 | jnwhiteh | we are quite familiar with the way these things work, perhaps we can help |
| 11:32.13 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, lemme dig it out - gimme a sec, I may have to get an old version (I don't remember if I commented it out or deleted it) |
| 11:34.14 | ZorbaTHut | oh hey, looks like it should've been fixed in 0.64 actually |
| 11:35.37 | ZorbaTHut | http://lua.pastey.net/101380 there it is, the commented-out line was the one causing problems |
| 11:36.01 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not sure if this refers to an old bug in astrolabe that's now fixed, or some issue that actually shows up. I haven't been able to get it to spit out bad data with the line removed, so maybe the problem is just gone now |
| 11:36.08 | Arrowmaster | questhelper was changing the map far too often than it was needed too, i think somebody said it even changed on zoning when you had the map open which is a big nono |
| 11:36.09 | jnwhiteh | the issue is QH not trusting astrolabe |
| 11:36.21 | jnwhiteh | that's whole bit shouldn't be necessary =/ |
| 11:36.42 | ZorbaTHut | jn, I'm guessing it was at some point, and I'm kind of hesitant to remove it since I don't know how to reproduce the issue it was originally put in to fix |
| 11:37.13 | ZorbaTHut | I mean I don't even know what that issue *was* |
| 11:37.48 | jnwhiteh | QH needs ground-up re-building |
| 11:37.55 | jnwhiteh | not that you're not aware of that already |
| 11:38.06 | ZorbaTHut | it needs a lot of fundamental tweaks and changes, but a lot of it is in good shape. |
| 11:38.14 | Arrowmaster | that entire section is useless, you can trust astrolabe |
| 11:38.21 | ZorbaTHut | it'll be a gradual process. grounds-up rebuilding is a terrible idea in general :) |
| 11:38.28 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 11:38.28 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, do you know why that section was needed in the first place? |
| 11:38.30 | jnwhiteh | In this case, no its not. |
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| 11:38.42 | jnwhiteh | and this entire conversation is evidence as such |
| 11:38.43 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* I disagree. I like having a mod that people still want to use. :P |
| 11:38.44 | jnwhiteh | ;-) |
| 11:38.47 | Arrowmaster | ground up rebuilding is one of the best ways to fix things |
| 11:39.00 | ZorbaTHut | grounds up rebuilding is one of the best ways to re-introduce subtle bugs that you already fixed |
| 11:39.11 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 11:39.18 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 11:39.26 | jnwhiteh | this is a twisted perspectiev |
| 11:39.35 | jnwhiteh | instead you hold onto shit tons of code that you don't understand |
| 11:39.39 | jnwhiteh | not why it's there, or what it does |
| 11:39.39 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html -- this pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter, written better than I probably could :) |
| 11:39.53 | jnwhiteh | yes, I understand |
| 11:39.54 | durcyn | show me someone that -wants- to use questhelper and i'll show you someone who doesn't know better. i realize this is a labor of love for you, but that doesn't make it not suck. |
| 11:39.54 | Arrowmaster | because you dont have to code hacks to fix those bugs because you just code properly so they never happen in the first place |
| 11:40.01 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, pretty much. I wish it was better commented, but from what I know of smariot, I generally trust that he knew what he was doing |
| 11:40.19 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 11:40.22 | jnwhiteh | Netscape knew their codebase |
| 11:40.24 | jnwhiteh | you dont' know yours |
| 11:40.34 | ZorbaTHut | nope, but I'm learning it. |
| 11:40.36 | Arrowmaster | large projects are like that |
| 11:40.42 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 11:41.13 | Arrowmaster | i trust ckknight (some) but theres stuff in like cartographer2 that i want to know wtf he was smoking |
| 11:41.31 | Arrowmaster | you cant trust every line of code just because you trust the author |
| 11:42.48 | ZorbaTHut | true, but you also shouldn't rewrite an entire codebase because a few lines are dubious. |
| 11:42.56 | jnwhiteh | "a few lines"? |
| 11:43.20 | jnwhiteh | no offense, but we have looked at QH.. and its lots of spaghetti thrown together that happens to work well :P |
| 11:43.34 | jnwhiteh | from the TS implementation, to the other things that it has going on, heh |
| 11:43.58 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, the TS implementation is getting ripped out and rebuilt. it's a combination of three people's different solutions, as near as I can tell. |
| 11:44.22 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 11:44.26 | ZorbaTHut | (including a few rather horrific hacks by yours truly to keep it staggering along until I get around to repairing it seriously) |
| 11:44.27 | jnwhiteh | yet you argue against rebuilding? |
| 11:44.33 | jnwhiteh | ground up doesn't mean throw everything away |
| 11:44.34 | jnwhiteh | that's a misnomer |
| 11:44.43 | ZorbaTHut | yes. the TS implementation is not the entire mod, and can be rebuilt without changing most of it. |
| 11:44.58 | jnwhiteh | it means starting from scratch and pulling in the parts you need after properly considering the design and event system |
| 11:45.20 | ZorbaTHut | the current plan to to rebuild the data collection first while leaving the old data collection in place, then fix up the local building system so it doesn't take five gigs of RAM anymore, then rebuild the routing system. |
| 11:45.37 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 11:45.37 | ZorbaTHut | the event system is ridiculously simple in QH, there's not a whole lot that needs to be done with it |
| 11:45.49 | jnwhiteh | I meant the event system in WoW |
| 11:46.01 | ZorbaTHut | QH isn't one of those UI mods that has to deal with dozens of events - it has relatively few points of interface with WoW and with the user |
| 11:46.11 | jnwhiteh | so you actually understand whats happening, i.e. with the WORLD_MAP_UPDATE problem |
| 11:46.17 | jnwhiteh | I'm very familiar with the QH codebase, I know that. |
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| 11:50.15 | krka | world_map_update is a pain |
| 11:50.28 | krka | i had lots of conflicts with old autotravel and other map mods |
| 11:50.39 | jnwhiteh | Aye, certainly. |
| 11:50.52 | krka | autotravel basically had a built in astrolabe back then, which tried to be well behaved, but sitll |
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| 12:57.20 | Shaone | How do I use a raid target icon within DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage ? |
| 13:02.09 | Kalroth | isn't it just {skull} etc? |
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| 13:02.31 | Industrial | First person to PM/link me the torrent for Red Alert 2: Yuri's Revenge gets a Cookie, however it needs to be one with seeds! |
| 13:02.35 | Industrial | \:D/ |
| 13:02.36 | Shaone | Using SendChatMessage, yea |
| 13:03.18 | krka | http://thepiratebay.org/search/red%20alert%202%20yuri%20revenge/0/99/0 |
| 13:03.25 | Elkano | what gets the first one banning you for a warez question? |
| 13:05.15 | Industrial | krka: gotta do something while waiting wor wotlk amirite :p |
| 13:05.33 | krka | not really |
| 13:06.42 | durcyn | Shaone: "|Hicon:"..(COMBATLOG_OBJECT_RAIDTARGET1*(x^(x-1)))..":dest|h|TInterface\\TargetingFrame\\UI-RaidTargetingIcon_"..x..".blp:o|t|h" where x is 1 .. 8 |
| 13:07.14 | Shaone | Wow, that's a mess, but thanks much! |
| 13:07.38 | durcyn | and that :o at the end should be :0, because i'm blind. |
| 13:07.52 | Pneumatus | Shaone: ICON_LIST[1]..'0|t' |
| 13:08.12 | durcyn | Pneumatus: you're shitting me |
| 13:08.15 | Pneumatus | ICON_LIST is an array of the raid icon textures |
| 13:08.27 | Pneumatus | 1 being star etc etc |
| 13:08.36 | durcyn | balls, how long as that been in ChatFrame.lua? |
| 13:08.43 | Pneumatus | quite some time |
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| 13:09.32 | Pneumatus | well, ICON_LIST[1] == "|TInterface\TargetingFrame\UI-RaidTargetingIcon_1" |
| 13:10.10 | Pneumatus | it doesnt have the |Hicon bit so you probably need that as well |
| 13:10.52 | durcyn | yeah, that's just the texture paths |
| 13:10.56 | durcyn | useful, though |
| 13:11.03 | Pneumatus | although |
| 13:11.23 | Pneumatus | if you're adding it from an addon, you dont need the |Hicon, you can just shove the texture straight in |
| 13:11.25 | Pneumatus | as its a fontstring |
| 13:11.35 | Pneumatus | you just cant do it from /run |
| 13:12.53 | Pneumatus | in an addon, you can DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(ICON_LIST[1]..'0|t') and that should dump a star |
| 13:13.00 | Shaone | Works like a charm, but it really screws up the text rendering |
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| 13:52.35 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. *hugs* Happy Mondayness. |
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| 14:52.13 | Lopeppeppy | By aliens? |
| 14:52.18 | aesir | ZorbaTHut: How familiar are you with AstrolabeQH atm? Did you make changes to it or does that pre-date your involvement? |
| 14:53.48 | jnwhiteh | is the file just re-named.. or is the major version actually changed as well aesir ? |
| 14:54.51 | aesir | The 'fix' for the POI conflict was to change the major rev. My Q for Zorba is to see if he knows if Esa is aware of Death Knight start zone incompatibilities. |
| 14:55.07 | jnwhiteh | they've been resolved |
| 14:55.08 | jnwhiteh | a long time ago |
| 14:55.16 | ZorbaTHut | aesir, I made changes, this is actually the second time I branched it :P |
| 14:55.20 | ZorbaTHut | jn, I changed the major version |
| 14:55.33 | jnwhiteh | that's even more troubling then |
| 14:55.34 | ZorbaTHut | last I checked, astrolabe had no way of providing synthetic zone numbers for the DK starting zone, so I did that |
| 14:55.35 | jnwhiteh | but good. |
| 14:55.48 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: "synthetic zone numbers?" |
| 14:55.50 | ZorbaTHut | esamynn had no plans to add it |
| 14:56.00 | jnwhiteh | what does that mean |
| 14:56.14 | ZorbaTHut | jn, continent/zone IDs. there didn't seem to be any other obvious way to get location data for it |
| 14:56.30 | ZorbaTHut | I ended up defining continent -7777 as the one for the DK starting zone. |
| 14:56.40 | ZorbaTHut | (since I'm pretty sure blizzard is never going to use that continent ID :P) |
| 14:56.48 | aesir | Here's what I see: tomTom uses v93. EWOlson_POI is (I think) at the current v94, unmodified (but now changed the major rev flags). QH uses a modded version of the lib (v94 modded), with a different major rev flag. |
| 14:57.30 | aesir | I wanted to play Kissinger and see if there was anyway to avoid having all those different lib loads, if they're not necessary. |
| 14:58.15 | ZorbaTHut | v94 should override v93, if I'm reading what donglestub does correctly |
| 14:58.20 | jnwhiteh | you are |
| 14:58.36 | jnwhiteh | and the only changes in 94 is the map data, which is from live rather than beta |
| 14:58.43 | Fisker- | jnwhiteh archnemesis :E |
| 14:58.43 | ZorbaTHut | that said, the QH version and the non-QH version are fundamentally incompatible - the non-QH version won't give me the info I need, while the QH version will return weird fictional continents that the user has to know how to deal with |
| 14:58.48 | jnwhiteh | I can toss that into TomTom on the next push, but that should not be causing any issues. |
| 14:59.07 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: Is a starting DK not in a zone returned by the wow api? |
| 14:59.23 | ZorbaTHut | jnwhiteh, no, it's not. It's not considered to be in a continent - I think you get continent/zone of -1,-1 |
| 14:59.38 | jnwhiteh | hrm that sucks |
| 14:59.41 | cbreak | I think it's several zones at the same time |
| 14:59.45 | ZorbaTHut | in terms of how it behaves map-wise, it acts exactly like a battleground |
| 14:59.47 | cbreak | depending on where you stand in the quest |
| 15:00.16 | ZorbaTHut | one nice thing about this change is I can add battlegrounds now with only small additional changes |
| 15:00.30 | ZorbaTHut | which really only applies to a few quests in AV, but it'd still be nice to have. |
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| 15:03.15 | jnwhiteh | hrm, this is odd. |
| 15:03.34 | haste | your fault! |
| 15:04.38 | jnwhiteh | aesir: Where is r94 coming from? |
| 15:04.41 | jnwhiteh | and why? |
| 15:05.00 | aesir | one moment, I'm completely lost in 3 flavours of astrolabe.lua. |
| 15:05.08 | jnwhiteh | that's a merge of the wotlk trunk data in /branches/optimization |
| 15:05.32 | jnwhiteh | and if he's using that without changing the major, that is a bad thing. |
| 15:06.12 | jnwhiteh | or esamynn and I need to have a conversation again |
| 15:06.14 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
| 15:06.44 | ZorbaTHut | from what I remember, unmodified r94 shouldn't break anything compared to r93 |
| 15:06.56 | ZorbaTHut | I think the only difference of note is that r94 includes the modified EPL data |
| 15:06.56 | jnwhiteh | "shouldn't" isn't the same as doesn't. |
| 15:06.59 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 15:07.02 | jnwhiteh | but he's using a different branch |
| 15:07.05 | jnwhiteh | versus trunk |
| 15:07.30 | jnwhiteh | okayu |
| 15:07.32 | jnwhiteh | those files are identical |
| 15:07.39 | jnwhiteh | but he shouldn't be using r94 |
| 15:07.46 | jnwhiteh | especially without changing the major |
| 15:07.55 | jnwhiteh | I can't have other people breaking my addon.. that's the whole point of this |
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| 15:08.55 | aesir | jn: I get the info about 'current version" of astrolabe from: http://svn.esamynn.org/astrolabe/ Now, if I only mod POI's rev flag in astrolabe.lua, but don't match that in dongle, POI chokes with an error stating it can't find astrolabe. That might be a load order issue or LoD issue that I'm not best tasked to track down. |
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| 15:09.15 | aesir | I say that because wouldnt' it try to load TomTom's astro? |
| 15:09.28 | aesir | *use TomTom's astrolabe |
| 15:09.39 | jnwhiteh | Here is the "problem" |
| 15:09.39 | ZorbaTHut | aesir, it's possibly just load order in the sense that tomtom's astrolabe doesn't exist at the point when POI is trying to load it |
| 15:09.50 | aesir | I agree, Zorba |
| 15:09.52 | jnwhiteh | does POI contain an Astrolabe.lua? |
| 15:09.56 | aesir | It does. |
| 15:10.06 | jnwhiteh | and what revision is listed at the top of the file? |
| 15:10.59 | aesir | the 'broken' version didn't set the $Rev$ that's what originally pointed me to POI's author. |
| 15:11.18 | jnwhiteh | That is problem #1. He should not be using a branch of a library without changing the major version. There was a point where that branch had relatively large problems, and he should not be tracking those and breaking any other mods that intend to use the trunk version. This is both a versioning issue with Esamynn and whoever is using the library |
| 15:11.26 | jnwhiteh | I suspect he's probably using r93 |
| 15:11.38 | jnwhiteh | the SVN webpage saying its r94 is a misleading fact, since that revision only exists in the branch |
| 15:11.48 | jnwhiteh | Does he load the Astrolabe.lua file in his .toc? |
| 15:11.53 | aesir | checking.. |
| 15:12.00 | jnwhiteh | Astrolabe.xml should be the FIRST thing he loads |
| 15:12.01 | ZorbaTHut | IMHO, the branch in the repository shouldn't be using the major revision of the "final version" |
| 15:12.04 | jnwhiteh | before any of his own files |
| 15:12.09 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: I agree, I've expressed this to Esamynn |
| 15:12.17 | jnwhiteh | i dont care how careful you are |
| 15:12.21 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it's just asking for trouble this way |
| 15:12.23 | aesir | POI loads: Astrolabe\Load.xml |
| 15:12.24 | jnwhiteh | authors make mistakes :P |
| 15:12.27 | jnwhiteh | aesir: first? |
| 15:12.33 | ZorbaTHut | I'm pretty sure I had r94 unmodified in QH at one point, before I reforked it |
| 15:12.38 | ZorbaTHut | didn't even realize it would be a problem :P |
| 15:12.50 | aesir | Yes, Astrolabe\Load.xml is the first entry after ## comments |
| 15:13.02 | jnwhiteh | then POI should be fine |
| 15:13.15 | jnwhiteh | unless you're seeing an error in FrameXML.log |
| 15:13.21 | aesir | POI's map icons showed up. The 'broken' thing was crazy taxi. |
| 15:13.30 | aesir | (No errors ever appeared) |
| 15:13.32 | jnwhiteh | i.e. there should be no issues between TomTom and POI in any way |
| 15:13.42 | jnwhiteh | aesir: This is with only POI and TomTom enabled? |
| 15:13.56 | aesir | No, let me begin... |
| 15:14.45 | Industrial | haste: ping |
| 15:14.52 | haste | Industrial: pong |
| 15:15.49 | aesir | Old (pre-Astrolabe version) of POI, TomTom, QH all worked fine. New POI just added Astrolabe to manage a new minimap icon feature of that addon. New POI with Astrolabe when enabled with TomTom, Mapster, and QH breaks the crazy taxi. It becomes "not there", but no errors. If I disabled new POI w/ astrolabe, TomTom, QH, and Mapster) all work, with the arrow showing. |
| 15:16.00 | Industrial | haste: http://pastey.net/101392 |
| 15:16.12 | Industrial | haste: line 149 then 201-206 |
| 15:16.39 | Industrial | haste: my targettarget castbar seems to always be visible, covering the hp bar. |
| 15:16.42 | aesir | Please follow-up, if that description wasn't legible. |
| 15:16.52 | jnwhiteh | aesir: Can we take QH out of the equation, i.e. JUST test POI and TomTom |
| 15:16.53 | Industrial | any idea why? I took this from Lily |
| 15:16.57 | jnwhiteh | then I can give you specific things to look at |
| 15:16.58 | krka | hmm... one idea |
| 15:17.09 | krka | maybe versions shouldn't be compared with <, but with == |
| 15:17.12 | aesir | I can. I need a few moments to revert changes made to test the POI fix. |
| 15:17.17 | jnwhiteh | krka: ? |
| 15:17.26 | krka | so all addons are guarenteed to get the embedded version they want |
| 15:17.36 | jnwhiteh | that defeats teh purpose of code sharing |
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| 15:17.45 | jnwhiteh | and can be managed by a disciplined author |
| 15:17.57 | AbsoRayne | People make me so ill |
| 15:17.59 | AbsoRayne | its rediculous |
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| 15:18.39 | haste | Industrial: don't see anything directly |
| 15:19.11 | krka | jnwhiteh: well, it should theoretically reduce bugs |
| 15:19.19 | krka | it would still make upgrading easier |
| 15:19.34 | jnwhiteh | Well, it's not a reasonable change at this point in time. |
| 15:19.38 | krka | and it would still benefit from code sharing when all addons got updated |
| 15:19.42 | Industrial | haste: me neither thats the point :D! do you use targettarget in lily and it works fine? :S |
| 15:19.42 | jnwhiteh | and I don't see why it makes a difference |
| 15:19.49 | jnwhiteh | yeah, that's not the point, unfortunately |
| 15:20.00 | haste | Industrial: I believe it works fine at least |
| 15:20.04 | krka | you'd avoid upgrading your embedded lib against your will :) |
| 15:20.06 | Industrial | :\ |
| 15:20.16 | jnwhiteh | krka: Or I can just stop using them |
| 15:20.18 | jnwhiteh | then I can control everything |
| 15:20.44 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: <3 ty for the new Forum Sig btw :P |
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| 15:22.44 | AbsoRayne | Also, NSFW :/ http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12454669390&sid=1 |
| 15:22.48 | AbsoRayne | (the image) |
| 15:22.52 | aesir | jn : Zorba : w/ QH disabled, and TT / POI enabled I get no arrow when setting a WP on the mapster map. |
| 15:23.41 | Lopeppeppy | AbsoRayne, now I want to see your sig! |
| 15:24.12 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12454538154&sid=1&pageNo=2#23 :P |
| 15:25.40 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, Peppy is famous! *grin* |
| 15:32.07 | Kalroth | infamous* |
| 15:32.29 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, well, a girl takes what she can get. |
| 15:35.05 | AbsoRayne | Bacon Egg and Cheese on a Potato roll! |
| 15:35.07 | AbsoRayne | <33333 |
| 15:35.13 | Lopeppeppy | No. I didn't get that, I couldn't take it. |
| 15:35.18 | Lopeppeppy | I had deviled eggs for breakfast though. |
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| 15:36.46 | cbreak | breakfast... |
| 15:36.56 | Lopeppeppy | Nom nom nom |
| 15:37.02 | cbreak | sleeping past lunch time ftw :) |
| 15:37.09 | Lopeppeppy | Bad monkey |
| 15:37.10 | krka | only in goldshire |
| 15:37.17 | Lopeppeppy | I got up at 5, AbsoRayne. I hate dawn. |
| 15:37.28 | cbreak | I went to bed at 5:30. |
| 15:38.43 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: I fell asleep last night at like....7. Missed BT |
| 15:38.50 | AbsoRayne | Got up, logged on, got bitched at |
| 15:39.10 | AbsoRayne | Logged onto Druid, led BT pug... |
| 15:39.19 | AbsoRayne | And here I am now! |
| 15:40.17 | Lopeppeppy | Yowch. |
| 15:40.27 | ZorbaTHut | aesir, does that problem go away when QH is stopped completely? (i.e. turned off in your addon settings) |
| 15:40.42 | ZorbaTHut | I think all I'm doing with /qh hide is deleting the QH waypoint. |
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| 15:47.10 | Shirik | rawr |
| 15:47.50 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
| 15:48.06 | Lopeppeppy | How are you doing on our joint deprivation project, Shirik? |
| 15:48.33 | Shirik | not well today |
| 15:48.40 | Shirik | I stayed up too late last night :P |
| 15:48.49 | Shirik | hopefully the pretzels will wake me up |
| 15:49.33 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, darlin'. Pretzels. Shower. Brisk walk. 10 jumping jacks. |
| 15:49.42 | aesir | Zorba: jn and I were testing that scenario. QH disabled, and the problem does not go away. jn will take a look at some data he asked me for, but it may be a versioning problem w/ Astro. |
| 15:49.44 | Shirik | a bit late for shower |
| 15:50.29 | ZorbaTHut | well, that's reassuring :D |
| 15:50.32 | Lopeppeppy | There's your problem, dear. |
| 15:50.46 | Seerah | bad Shirik |
| 15:50.54 | Shirik | I already showered... |
| 15:50.55 | Shirik | wtf |
| 15:51.01 | Shirik | I have class at 9 AM I have to :P |
| 15:51.21 | Seerah | you said "too late for shower" |
| 15:51.45 | Seerah | oh, read back two more lines :P |
| 15:51.53 | Shirik | Have I mentioned I'm not awake yet? |
| 15:53.17 | Shirik | programming a robot at 11 AM is fun, though |
| 15:53.59 | aesir | Zorba: just to be clear, I was originally pinging you just to discover whether or not AstrolabeQH had revisions useful for Astro mainline. I didn't see the issue coming from QH. |
| 15:54.06 | Fisker- | Shirik ! |
| 15:54.15 | Shirik | Fisker- ! |
| 15:54.19 | Fisker- | my core is bigger than yours |
| 15:54.47 | ZorbaTHut | aesir, fair enough |
| 15:54.55 | ZorbaTHut | I think the changes may be useful in general, but they're also really messy |
| 15:55.16 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not sure there's any way for tomtom/cartographer to make an arrow in battlegrounds or the DK starting zone, for example |
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| 15:55.36 | ZorbaTHut | and the code changes also make it possible to put minimap icons in both the DK starting zone and battlegrounds. I may just be missing some special cases that exist, however |
| 16:03.15 | Shirik | You know, there are a lot of reasons I like Netbeans, but I think the biggest one is when you go home one night saying "Yes! Everything works!" |
| 16:03.29 | Shirik | Then you open it back up the next day, and what pops up is all the "TODO" marks in your code |
| 16:03.38 | Shirik | reminding you why it doesn't work |
| 16:04.10 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
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| 16:05.30 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/5684bb632f6a45b5eae76a65b64aad22.jpg <3 |
| 16:05.58 | Kaso | TODO: Buy external mouse |
| 16:06.03 | Lopeppeppy | "handle spurious packets" |
| 16:06.04 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. |
| 16:06.42 | Shirik | ah yeah, this is a serial multiplexing manager, allowing many devices to run on the same serial line |
| 16:06.53 | Shirik | There's the potential for a device to randomly transmit back to the host without a request |
| 16:06.56 | Shirik | if so I need to do something about it |
| 16:07.12 | Shirik | right now I toss it out the window |
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| 16:07.57 | Lopeppeppy | No no no, first you open the window, then you do the tossings of the things. |
| 16:08.36 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: Through > Out |
| 16:08.39 | AbsoRayne | =D |
| 16:09.09 | Lopeppeppy | Well, yes, but I'm trying to encourage him. |
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| 16:11.39 | aesir | Zorba: Thanks for taking a look at all that stuff. You know, you're a really neat person - no matter what the others say about you. |
| 16:12.30 | ZorbaTHut | hah, thanks. :) |
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| 16:19.38 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: Ping! |
| 16:19.41 | AbsoRayne | s |
| 16:19.48 | Lopeppeppy | AbsoRayne: Pong! |
| 16:22.22 | AbsoRayne | hrm |
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| 16:25.52 | Lopeppeppy | I am such a curmudgeon. I am grumping about my co worker bringing her toddler to work today. I know some schools/daycares are closed.... *grump* |
| 16:25.59 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy is a cranky old cat lady |
| 16:27.18 | AbsoRayne | :( |
| 16:27.25 | AbsoRayne | Raynes going to lunch, bbl :) |
| 16:28.46 | Lopeppeppy | Enjoy lunch. |
| 16:29.49 | Industrial | Enjoy kitten. |
| 16:29.55 | mikma | omnomnom. |
| 16:30.27 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh, I has a kitten at home, she's so very soft and catches mice for me. |
| 16:30.46 | cbreak | mine catch birds... |
| 16:30.53 | cbreak | at least I think the things were birds |
| 16:31.01 | cbreak | (there usually is blood and feathers everyhwere...) |
| 16:31.12 | Industrial | omnomnom |
| 16:31.50 | Lopeppeppy | Kendra doesn't go outdoors, so she doesn't get to catch featherthings. |
| 16:33.32 | Shirik | awwww |
| 16:33.41 | Shirik | I have someone that looks up to me ^_^ |
| 16:34.00 | Shirik | I really wish I knew who this was though, because it's one of my students |
| 16:34.14 | Shirik | oh wait! I have pictures of everyone on blackboard! |
| 16:34.20 | zenzelezz | must be that student who's almost failing class |
| 16:34.24 | Lopeppeppy | Why do pictures matter? |
| 16:34.40 | Fisker- | so Shirik |
| 16:34.40 | Shirik | Because I know everyone's face |
| 16:34.46 | Fisker- | what are you going to do about my huge core? |
| 16:34.57 | Lopeppeppy | And you know the picture of the person who looks up to you? |
| 16:35.29 | Shirik | I'm just curious who this is |
| 16:35.31 | Industrial | if you know the person why do you need a picture :D |
| 16:35.44 | Shirik | because she's entering the master's program apparently |
| 16:35.51 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, good for her. |
| 16:36.28 | |Jelly| | ~yawn |
| 16:36.29 | purl | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. |
| 16:36.32 | Fisker- | btw Shirik |
| 16:36.43 | |Jelly| | ~~~~~~ |
| 16:36.44 | purl | ACTION takes out a revolver and shoots |jelly| in the head three times. |
| 16:36.44 | Fisker- | <3 is the poor man's drawing device for hearts |
| 16:37.00 | Fisker- | ~~~~~~~ |
| 16:37.01 | purl | ACTION lets a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh eat fisker-. |
| 16:37.05 | Fisker- | ~rouletter |
| 16:37.07 | Fisker- | ~roulette |
| 16:37.07 | purl | ACTION watches fisker- pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 16:37.11 | Fisker- | fuck |
| 16:37.17 | Shirik | now if only I could find the class roster |
| 16:37.33 | Shirik | I only found "Remove students from course" |
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| 17:03.41 | Shirik | wow, netbeans 6.5 really is amazing |
| 17:03.46 | Shirik | it has some really cool features |
| 17:06.04 | Shirik | On the left side, it shows a little blue mark for any lines you've changed since your last commit, which it has for a while, but what you couldn't do before that I know of is click on that blue line and it shows you what you changed (because, yes, I forgot) http://images.gammatester.com/pics/cc90faa171a6fd5e083291dfb17287a8.jpg |
| 17:06.07 | Shirik | that's really nice |
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| 17:15.57 | p3lim | [Ammo]: Mind updating your oUF plugins? Atleast the toc number |
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| 17:17.55 | Tifi | i saw that it's possible to upload beta files on wowi (the wowlua project has a category "Beta"). how can i do that? |
| 17:20.36 | AnduinLothar | prolly check the beta software checkbox when uploading |
| 17:21.24 | Tifi | and where can i find that checkbox? |
| 17:22.28 | AnduinLothar | mm you're right doesn't exist |
| 17:22.49 | AnduinLothar | there's a stable/beta option if you're zipping from svn |
| 17:23.00 | Tifi | oh ok i don't |
| 17:24.06 | |Jelly| | Shirik: Including GCD, would CoH > PoH? |
| 17:24.14 | AnduinLothar | Dolby: got any idea why the normal edit/upload doesn't have a beta option? |
| 17:24.27 | Shirik | depends on the situation |
| 17:24.32 | Tifi | should i use Upload Optional Addon then? |
| 17:24.38 | Shirik | for serious amounts of damage, PoH > CoH |
| 17:24.49 | |Jelly| | the stupid bombs in h-bf |
| 17:24.59 | Shirik | the what? |
| 17:25.12 | |Jelly| | the proximity bombs in h-bf |
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| 17:28.35 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 17:30.49 | |Jelly| | Ok. I got it. Heal the whole damned pull with CoH and we're good. |
| 17:31.00 | |Jelly| | OH like crazy and I have to drink but whatever ... retards don't suicide themselves |
| 17:31.54 | Tifi | you brought 3 melees? |
| 17:31.57 | Shirik | Me cries at the line number of the error: http://codepad.org/usywRGcJ |
| 17:32.13 | |Jelly| | You say "you" like I made the group. lol |
| 17:32.42 | Tifi | ^^ |
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| 17:33.25 | |Jelly| | plus, with surge of light, I get to heal the tank! |
| 17:45.45 | Shirik | surge of light is <3 |
| 17:45.58 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.44 | Shirik | I'm glad they turned that worthless POS into something good |
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| 17:53.42 | Dewin | needs new topic. |
| 17:55.46 | End | hm, just got my new phone |
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| 17:58.05 | Lunessa | station |
| 17:58.38 | mikma | no, this is IRC |
| 17:59.10 | Lunessa | Thou shalt check thy Blackberry before the partner in carnal knowledge does, just in case 'tis a booty txt. |
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| 18:04.38 | mikma | so, you got busted of textmessaging with another person? :I |
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| 18:07.50 | Lunessa | mikma: Only in my wildest fantasy life. |
| 18:08.43 | AbsoRayne | O_o |
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| 18:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Note to self |
| 18:17.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Just because there are 4-5 laptops with bluetooth enabled does NOT make it a good idea to poke at them |
| 18:17.51 | ScytheBlade1 | As in the case when you start scanning the instructor's laptop |
| 18:19.21 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:19.22 | ScytheBlade1 | What? Don't look at me, I didn't do anything |
| 18:19.22 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: *snicker* I'd have opened something on his screen. |
| 18:19.22 | Shirik | uh huh... |
| 18:19.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Her. |
| 18:19.35 | Shirik | here ScytheBlade1, debug my code ty |
| 18:19.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure thing |
| 18:19.50 | ScytheBlade1 | #define + - |
| 18:19.55 | ScytheBlade1 | You're missing a line similar to that |
| 18:20.05 | Shirik | actually already fixed, however it's awesome because it's on line 666 |
| 18:20.05 | Shirik | http://codepad.org/vyhS1jVb |
| 18:20.13 | elite3vil | I used to have ARD (remote desktop) access to all my instructor's laptops. It made it easy to take notes in class. (gogo file transfers) |
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| 18:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Well see |
| 18:21.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Part of the problem |
| 18:21.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Is that her laptop is plugged into the projector right now |
| 18:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Soooooooo |
| 18:22.50 | Lunessa | So tempting to do something... |
| 18:22.53 | elite3vil | That's a problem? |
| 18:22.54 | elite3vil | lol |
| 18:23.14 | ANTRat | rickroll. |
| 18:23.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Foul tempters! |
| 18:23.21 | Shirik | best. rickroll. ever. |
| 18:24.31 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, do you use netbeans? |
| 18:24.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: we've been over this |
| 18:24.47 | Shirik | we have? |
| 18:24.52 | ScytheBlade1 | We have |
| 18:24.58 | Shirik | we have! |
| 18:25.04 | ScytheBlade1 | There you go. |
| 18:25.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Eclipse. |
| 18:25.10 | Shirik | right |
| 18:25.21 | Shirik | I'll spare you the pain and just let you know that it was very difficult for me not to kick you there |
| 18:25.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:26.57 | Fisker- | My core is big that it has an uncore |
| 18:27.09 | Fisker- | is so big* |
| 18:31.20 | mikma | which one is better for enhancement shaman: Windfury Weapon on Mainhand, Windfury Weapon on Offhand, or Windfury Weapon on Mainhand, Flametongue Weapon on Offhand? |
| 18:31.58 | Lunessa | Depends on your play style and the weapons. |
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| 18:32.17 | mikma | the badgeweapons from isle of queldanas |
| 18:32.20 | Fisker- | DAMNIT |
| 18:34.40 | Lunessa | I use dual windfury on 2.6 speed weapons. I could go MH Windfury and OH Flametounge if I wanted to use a fast OH. |
| 18:35.17 | mikma | well these both weapons are 2.5 speed :I |
| 18:35.21 | Lunessa | The shaman ones? You can go wither way. |
| 18:35.54 | Lunessa | Depends on if the Windfury bonus DPS is worth losing for the Lava Lash+25% |
| 18:36.09 | Fisker- | it sucks |
| 18:36.27 | Fisker- | my Core i7 arrived 108 years ago :( |
| 18:37.08 | Lunessa | "I'm a warrior in ghetto epics. I got pockets full of suckonite." http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20081107 |
| 18:38.18 | zenzelezz | wow, someone else that reads Gu :-o |
| 18:40.13 | Lunessa | I've read it from comic 1. Woody is a good guy. |
| 18:41.02 | zenzelezz | yeah; just don't see many other people who seem to know/appreciate it |
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| 18:41.33 | zenzelezz | "the dwarf ducked" |
| 18:41.37 | Beladona | ZOMG |
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| 18:58.58 | Shirik | Trying to register for classes... |
| 18:59.00 | Shirik | "REMINDER: Because you have reached senior status, this is a critical point in your academic career. To ensure a smooth graduation process, we strongly advise you to request an updated academic evaluation at this time." |
| 18:59.07 | Shirik | Screw that, I still have like 2 years left... |
| 19:00.08 | KarlKFI | yeah, i reached sr status based on units pretty early |
| 19:00.33 | Shirik | oh yay |
| 19:00.36 | Shirik | my transcript has been updated though |
| 19:00.38 | Shirik | ANT DEGREE: M Software Engineering ANT START: 09/SP |
| 19:01.10 | KarlKFI | is an ant degree smaller than a normal one? |
| 19:01.16 | Shirik | anticipated |
| 19:01.34 | KarlKFI | ah |
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| 19:02.33 | JoshBorke | ZOMG! it's a beladona! |
| 19:03.39 | Shirik | oh nice |
| 19:03.46 | Shirik | Degree Navigator was unable to locate your student account. Please contact your academic advisor. |
| 19:03.46 | Shirik | Please try again or contact your system administrator. |
| 19:03.47 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:03.52 | Shirik | I love IT |
| 19:05.46 | Adys | http://ex-parrot.com/~pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html |
| 19:05.48 | Adys | good lord |
| 19:06.35 | Shirik | and just think |
| 19:06.40 | Shirik | Regexes are worst-case O(n^2) |
| 19:06.51 | Shirik | Any more reason to use LPEG? :) |
| 19:07.57 | zenzelezz | LPEG? |
| 19:08.09 | Josh_Borke | oh dear |
| 19:09.09 | Josh_Borke | considering the fact that the RFC 822 is complex, it's no wonder |
| 19:09.51 | bleeter | lpeg lua? YES PLEASE! I wanna write addons in lolcode :( |
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| 19:18.15 | bleeter | ~comfort KarlKFI |
| 19:18.16 | purl | There, there, KarlKFI. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:21.29 | foxlit | bleeter: interpreter, np |
| 19:23.02 | Beladona | ZOMG its JoshBorke |
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| 19:23.48 | bleeter | foxlit: as per the website? I would've thought lpeg.c makes it a bit tricky for us users to add to the game, or is it gunna be included (ain't been following UI for ages) |
| 19:24.13 | clad|away | Hrm |
| 19:24.30 | clad|away | anyone ever get an assertion error in SRegMac.c or something similarly named? |
| 19:24.59 | bleeter | god blizz hold music sounds terrible over international telephone lines... like strangling a cat |
| 19:25.20 | Fisker- | How did you know i was the composer? |
| 19:25.34 | bleeter | you have a similarly crappy tone of voice :P |
| 19:26.29 | bleeter | cladhaire: nope, lots of other screens of assertions though. soz mate :( |
| 19:26.29 | NeoTron | bleeter: are you sure it ISN'T the recorded sound of a cat being strangled? |
| 19:26.53 | bleeter | bet it sounds even funnier on skpe |
| 19:27.27 | bleeter | US accents are funny ... 'to contact a gay master...' |
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| 19:29.51 | smcn | we're too lazy to finish our words |
| 19:29.53 | smcn | obv |
| 19:30.05 | smcn | gotta blend in as much as possible |
| 19:30.19 | Lopeppeppy | wha? |
| 19:30.27 | smcn | what? |
| 19:30.38 | smcn | i mean, blend words together |
| 19:30.59 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I do that all the time. |
| 19:31.03 | Lopeppeppy | Specialspiffyriffic. |
| 19:31.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i've no idea what you're talkin'bout |
| 19:31.27 | zenzelezz | you Americans can try, but you won't beat the Germans |
| 19:31.46 | aesir | cladhaire: google sregmac: http://www.wowblues.com/us/assertion-error-after-1052-and-graphics-upd-4665459748.html and there is also hits to blizz topic threads, but the links are sessioned so I can't read them. |
| 19:31.57 | cladhaire | same (i googled first thing) |
| 19:31.59 | bleeter | lol zenzelezz |
| 19:32.07 | cladhaire | but his desktop is fucked up, so we're trying a few things first |
| 19:32.36 | cladhaire | oh lol |
| 19:32.40 | cladhaire | aesir: thanks for the second email |
| 19:32.58 | zenzelezz | someone help a nublet out here... WotLK goes live on Thursday, not Wednesday? |
| 19:33.06 | aesir | Of course., Cladhaire. |
| 19:33.07 | cladhaire | it goes live nevar |
| 19:33.48 | zenzelezz | oh, duh, in-game calendar... Thursday 00:01 |
| 19:34.07 | zenzelezz | I guess that means there's time for one last Sunwell on Wednesday |
| 19:34.45 | aesir | Some part of the game that I'll never get to see. So depressing. |
| 19:35.00 | pompy | lol KJ at 2% and server shuts down |
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| 19:42.38 | mikma | cairenn: oads/2008/11/10/image/247382_%5Btaf%5D%20deliciously%20adorable.jpg |
| 19:42.42 | mikma | whops |
| 19:42.48 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 19:42.48 | mikma | orry |
| 19:43.01 | mikma | http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2008/11/10/image/247382_%5Btaf%5D%20deliciously%20adorable.jpg |
| 19:43.18 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that one is awesome mikma! |
| 19:43.18 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 19:45.01 | Lopeppeppy | ~poke esamynn |
| 19:45.02 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind esamynn, pokes esamynn repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 19:46.14 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 19:46.22 | Cairenn | that is cute ... disturbing, but cute |
| 19:46.32 | Lopeppeppy | *sniff* Esamynn lefted already, before I could lart him good. |
| 19:47.20 | ccox | No, disturbing is thinking that someone actually needed to be told when not to use a Blackberry... |
| 19:47.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 19:47.40 | ScytheBlade1 | 7-11 is selling Wrath already |
| 19:47.52 | ScytheBlade1 | (In some places) |
| 19:47.57 | ccox | 7-11 carries video games? |
| 19:48.04 | Lopeppeppy | What? |
| 19:48.07 | smcn | don't you read pennyarcade? :P |
| 19:48.19 | ScytheBlade1 | They're not supposed to, but |
| 19:48.21 | Lopeppeppy | ccox, people are just not very couth these days. |
| 19:48.23 | ScytheBlade1 | This isn't a first for them either |
| 19:48.26 | zenzelezz | and here I thought "blackberry" might have been a euphemism |
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| 19:49.32 | Ithato | is there a decent commandline tool for me to convert blp's to png's that i can do batch conversions with? |
| 19:49.43 | Ithato | preferably on OSX/*nix |
| 19:49.47 | cladhaire | you can post them to the web conversion tool |
| 19:49.54 | cladhaire | or ask foxlit for the script |
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| 19:50.24 | bleeter | whoa sexy new account management login page |
| 19:50.27 | Ithato | I want to use blizz' addon kit to extract all the inventory icons and batch-convert them to png for a web app |
| 19:50.42 | Ithato | so processing a ton of them by web won't work out well |
| 19:51.02 | Ithato | bleeter: hopefully that fixes the frakking TomCat error pages i get routinely now |
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| 19:52.49 | bleeter | one day, someone will write some GD code to handle blp's |
| 19:53.03 | aesir | Ithato: XnView is supposed to work with BLPs, but fails in many cases. However, same author has a command line batch conversion utility I'd used a couple of times doing other format conversions. Worth testing it on BLPs perhaps. http://pagesperso-orange.fr/pierre.g/xnview/en_ncdownload.html |
| 19:53.32 | ScytheBlade1 | http://shackpics.com/viewer.x?file=iPhoneUpload_w2wxn58n3iyzngixg489.jpg <-- wrath! |
| 19:53.36 | Ithato | aesir: Thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 19:54.02 | Ithato | ScytheBlade1: lolwut? 7-11 once again giving the finger to street dates? |
| 19:54.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Ithato: yup |
| 19:54.16 | smcn | i don't even think there are any 7-11's around here ;( but at least i live right across from a store doing midnight opening |
| 19:54.46 | bleeter | Ithato: you can prolly get a blp<>tga convertor running, then convert the tgas |
| 19:54.50 | Lopeppeppy | If I had a 711 around here, I'd totally be out the door right now to go check. :) |
| 19:55.00 | Lopeppeppy | Mine is being shipped, so it won't be here until the 17th. |
| 19:55.23 | Dewin | <-- going to a midnight launch just for the experience. |
| 19:55.55 | smcn | i don't think a lot of people in my neighborhood play wow, it's very christian :P |
| 19:56.05 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: recently seen in an aussie game forum 'what are you doing on (launch day)' thread -> 'Even if I get a copy on launch day I won't be playing. The chaos caused by big releases in an MMO is only fun so many times. ;) ' |
| 19:56.21 | Ithato | Dewin: standing around with a bunch of mouth-breathing nerds complaining about suddenly-too-tight pants? |
| 19:56.22 | foxlit | Ithato: http://go-hero.net/content/store/blpconv.zip |
| 19:56.28 | Ithato | i keed, i keed |
| 19:56.32 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I'm not at all stressed about not having it Right Then |
| 19:56.40 | ccox | earthquake |
| 19:56.52 | ccox | around a 4.0 here |
| 19:57.06 | Dewin | Ithato: It's not that bad. Remember, they had to be unnerdy enough to leave Mom's Basement, after all. |
| 19:57.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll have a CE on my doorstep by friday, so I'm content |
| 19:57.23 | Dewin | I went to a Wii midnight launch, it was actually pretty fun besides the blasted cold. |
| 19:57.38 | Seerah | ours will hopefully be delivered on Thursday |
| 19:57.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Well mine should be too :) |
| 19:57.52 | Dewin | I figure there's a slight chance I'll run into someone who a) is on our server, b) isn't Horde, and c) isn't a trade channel troll. |
| 19:57.57 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm content with "by" Friday |
| 19:58.02 | Seerah|away | :) |
| 19:58.21 | Dewin | lol @ Kirkburn's quit message. |
| 19:58.30 | Dewin | Reminds me of "Someday I'll find that peer and reset HIS connection." |
| 19:58.32 | Lopeppeppy | I should check Amazon to see if they've revised their shipping time. |
| 19:58.52 | Dewin | Lopeppeppy: They aren't shipping prior to the 13th? |
| 19:59.17 | bleeter | well, it'll be 5AM after launch before anyone enar me can legally sell it... so... |
| 19:59.28 | bleeter | technically, I won't be able to connect at launch time |
| 19:59.57 | Dewin | I thought that the people who mailed stuff technically were allowed to mail it prior to street date provided that they were reasonably sure it wouldn't arrive early. |
| 20:00.06 | bleeter | haha all the aussie year 12 kids skipping their school formals 'coz of launch |
| 20:00.09 | Lopeppeppy | Dewin, I did NOT sproing for overnight shipping, I didn't care that much. |
| 20:00.14 | Dewin | Ah. |
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| 20:01.06 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. They DO have a delivery day estimate of the 13th, even without paying for special shipping. That's groovy in the scooby to my hears. |
| 20:01.32 | Lunessa | I have Friday off. |
| 20:01.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: if you had day of or day after delivery, they folded you into release day shipping |
| 20:02.08 | Ithato | I blew a bunch of this year's PTO for the launch, cause i didn't get it until August anyhow |
| 20:02.10 | Dewin | I wonder if my wife will let me level without her since she has to work this sat. |
| 20:02.13 | Lunessa | foxlit: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=9094#comments |
| 20:02.15 | Ithato | i'm off wed. night through mon. night |
| 20:02.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i am vaguely amused: http://www.darklegacycomics.com/164.html |
| 20:02.50 | foxlit | Lunessa: 1 is reported two posts below you, 2 and 3 are fixed by wrath5 |
| 20:03.41 | foxlit | 3 is slightly wrong, too -- some settings were kept, though ring storage wasn't one of those |
| 20:04.43 | Ithato | aesir: that seems to be working nicely, thanks |
| 20:04.59 | aesir | I feel awesome! |
| 20:05.04 | aesir | Really. |
| 20:05.37 | aesir | Now if I can only get the author to fix XnView so it works with all BLPs... *cries* I love that program |
| 20:05.58 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, I didn't pay for anything extra, so they did this all on their own. Not complaining, but still not rushing to install and get locked out of Argent Dawn for a week by lag. :) |
| 20:06.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: if you picked standard shipping, you likely got release day at less price, end result |
| 20:06.51 | ScytheBlade1 | When they have the whole shipment in stock, they can ship it early for less and have it get there on time ;) |
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| 20:07.45 | Lopeppeppy | I'm excited either way, I gets my CE, they get their money, we all win. |
| 20:08.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 20:08.59 | Lunessa | foxlit: All my custom rings/bindings went poof, so I assumed there was a problem. |
| 20:09.22 | foxlit | Bindings in general should've been left alone |
| 20:09.31 | foxlit | Bindings for custom rings, however, probably wouldn't be :) |
| 20:09.34 | Esamynn|Work | ZorbaTHut: ping |
| 20:09.34 | Lunessa | Bindings were all custom. |
| 20:10.31 | Lunessa | However, rings with a : in the name work very nicely, thank you. |
| 20:10.42 | ZorbaTHut | yo |
| 20:11.02 | bleeter | foxlit: were you able to find out what the story is with regards to SV .bak's? I've never worked it out, seem to recall you asking yesterday and looking at those comments I can now imagine why... :/ |
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| 20:12.00 | foxlit | nah, I assume they're written if there isn't an existing .bak |
| 20:12.48 | foxlit | It's funny, really |
| 20:13.00 | bleeter | should se the .fail extension :/ |
| 20:13.04 | bleeter | *use |
| 20:13.18 | foxlit | The SV API change was intended to prevent exactly this sort of random less |
| 20:13.35 | ccox | Hmm, Quake was a 3.1, but the public reports place the shaking closer to a 4 (like I did) |
| 20:13.39 | foxlit | I ended up simplifying convertion from old storage to new storage at the last mintue |
| 20:14.07 | foxlit | And it went so spectacularly wrong |
| 20:14.36 | foxlit | the actual issue went something like |
| 20:14.45 | foxlit | newstorage = newstorage or oldstorage |
| 20:15.07 | foxlit | unfortunately, if newstorage == nil then newstorage = {}; end was a few lines above that |
| 20:15.32 | bleeter | ouchies |
| 20:16.30 | ScytheBlade1 | heh whoops |
| 20:17.11 | bleeter | oh my, new PvE realm 'Fizzcrank' |
| 20:17.20 | bleeter | I think I want a toon there.. just to be there |
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| 20:20.25 | AbsoRayne | oh hai, WotLK Forum Skin |
| 20:21.13 | Lopeppeppy | O hair. Expected along about this time, glad they didn't do it on Tuesday when the forums are always down anyway. |
| 20:21.20 | bleeter | yar, I had to look twice to see if I was banned >< |
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| 20:22.21 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: re launch, etc. and not caring that much about having it 'at the time'. we can always amuse ourselves in the closing hours of Beta instead ;) |
| 20:22.32 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: isn't beta already closed? |
| 20:22.48 | bleeter | it was? heh, bloody RL.. I miss stuff all the time |
| 20:22.54 | ScytheBlade1 | a while ago |
| 20:23.07 | Lopeppeppy | Beta is closed. |
| 20:23.10 | Lopeppeppy | Ya. |
| 20:23.13 | Ithato | when 3.0.3 went live in US, they closed Beta |
| 20:23.17 | ccox | where "while" equals last week |
| 20:23.32 | bleeter | ah, when I lost my toobs |
| 20:24.22 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "I really do need to get off" - Tem |
| 20:24.41 | foxlit | Lunessa: long story short, I plan to fix 1 in an upcoming update; 2 is already fixed, and nothing can be done about 3 once you encounter it |
| 20:24.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: ha |
| 20:25.01 | Lunessa | foxlit: /nod |
| 20:25.12 | foxlit | There's also a bit of awesome functionality to add before wrath |
| 20:26.50 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, if only I'd seen that. *grin* |
| 20:27.02 | Dashkal | Did they ever actually implement crystalsong? |
| 20:27.14 | Dashkal | or the faction-specific dalaran reputations? |
| 20:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: |
| 20:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | 16:41 <+Tem> I really do need to get off these forums |
| 20:27.20 | ScytheBlade1 | 16:42 < zenzelezz> <Tem> I really do need to get off <-- don't start sentences like this on IRC |
| 20:27.41 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 20:28.08 | Cairenn | so I ... accidentally .... left off part of the statement .... oops |
| 20:28.09 | NeoTron | Dashkal: crystalsong, day before end of beta, had mobs but no content |
| 20:28.16 | NeoTron | and horde/alliance outposts |
| 20:28.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: nah you had inspiration |
| 20:28.39 | foxlit | It had some content |
| 20:28.43 | Dashkal | NeoTron: *nods* so no change from what I saw... Meh, wonder if it'll go live that way |
| 20:28.46 | NeoTron | and right now there's very limited ways of getting kirin'tor rep, limited enough so you might not be able to get high enough for championing |
| 20:28.55 | foxlit | There were one or two storm peaks quests there |
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| 20:29.01 | Dashkal | NeoTron: The only way I found to do it was via daily heroics |
| 20:29.34 | Dashkal | foxlit: storm peaks or icecrown? I only found icecrown ones from the Argent Crusade base |
| 20:29.41 | foxlit | er, icecrown |
| 20:29.42 | Lopeppeppy | Editing is a time-honored tradition, Cairenn. |
| 20:29.45 | Dashkal | drat |
| 20:30.21 | Cairenn | ;) |
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| 20:32.37 | aesir | Wow. Someone just flipped a switch mid-page refresh on me at wowi. I'm like *click* and then it's like *bam* I'm all Parchment like. |
| 20:34.01 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/crash1.png |
| 20:34.11 | Adys | any idea what kind of graphical bug this could be? Its a crash |
| 20:34.24 | Adys | everything was fine and all of a sudden all text etc disappeared |
| 20:34.55 | Adys | (another crash: |
| 20:34.57 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/crash2.png) |
| 20:35.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: that be trickcy |
| 20:35.16 | ScytheBlade1 | *tricky |
| 20:36.13 | Adys | Im trying to track down a specific crash which takes 100 different forms |
| 20:36.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: update your wine + video card drivers |
| 20:36.33 | Gnarfoz | looks like bad hardware, to me. |
| 20:36.35 | Adys | wine is latest git, video cards are recent |
| 20:36.43 | Adys | did a full memtest too no error |
| 20:36.44 | Gnarfoz | (and I dealt with that for 3,5 years) |
| 20:36.51 | Gnarfoz | no, your graphics card. :) |
| 20:36.58 | Adys | it COULD be the GPU but |
| 20:37.03 | Adys | it doesnt happen under d3d, only opengl |
| 20:37.04 | Gnarfoz | gpu or vram |
| 20:37.16 | Gnarfoz | nah, that's not how you track it down, anyway :\ |
| 20:37.34 | Gnarfoz | the only way is to get another graphics card and use that for a while until you're sure it's gone :\ |
| 20:37.38 | bleeter | tar and feather me if I'm wrong, but isn't ogl deprecated for wine these days? ;) |
| 20:37.44 | Gnarfoz | this stuff can't really be analyzed, sadly |
| 20:37.50 | Adys | bleeter: its still damn slow :P |
| 20:38.10 | ajmitch | bleeter: well trying to play wow with d3d just crashes |
| 20:38.16 | bleeter | Adys: you want slow? I'll give you my current conection latency and avg 65% packet loss :P |
| 20:38.17 | Adys | nah aj |
| 20:38.19 | Adys | sec |
| 20:38.28 | Lunessa | Cairenn: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12454679295&sid=1 - for inclusion in the FAQ |
| 20:38.34 | Cairenn | k |
| 20:38.37 | Dewin | bleeter: What are you doing, playing from Antarctica over the dual iridium links? |
| 20:38.47 | bleeter | eg, I can't seem to get devcub to resolve |
| 20:38.59 | ajmitch | Adys: I've definitely seen that same sort of effect as you have in crash2.png |
| 20:39.19 | bleeter | Dewin: I'm borrowing a friend's ADSL login while my ADSL is still connected, but while I'm moving ISP |
| 20:39.41 | bleeter | Dewin: as such, I'm *real* low priority for the pipe out of tasmania which is already saturated to about 110% |
| 20:39.41 | Adys | ajmitch: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14154 OpenDNS is busy with porn atm so i cant link further, but in the bugs linked to the app there should be the crash |
| 20:39.44 | Adys | and the fix included |
| 20:40.29 | Dewin | 2 FPS is better than 2 SPF. |
| 20:40.41 | bleeter | Dewin: qft |
| 20:40.42 | Gnarfoz | Adys: for comparison, see: http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/wow/vga_kaputt1.jpg http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/wow/vga_kaputt2.jpg ^^ that was my previous 8800gtx :X |
| 20:40.45 | Adys | disablepixel shader |
| 20:41.01 | Adys | yeowch |
| 20:41.04 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, those aren't the good ones :> |
| 20:41.15 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet graphics hosiery though! |
| 20:41.31 | Gnarfoz | seems I didn't upload them ^^ |
| 20:41.37 | Dewin | Heh. And the best I got was my graphic glitches with indoor shadows on PTR |
| 20:41.55 | Dewin | where every time I alt-tabbed out and back into wow, I'd get a new pattern of garbage rendered reflectively onto the floor. |
| 20:42.13 | Adys | XIO: fatal IO error 12 (Cannot allocate memory) on X server ":0.0" |
| 20:42.13 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.20 | Adys | i see this one often |
| 20:44.57 | sacarasc | that means you fail |
| 20:45.45 | Gnarfoz | those are the ones that look closer to yours, adys: http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/wow/dead_gfx_1.jpg http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/wow/dead_gfx_2.jpg http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/wow/dead_gfx_3.jpg |
| 20:45.58 | Adys | doesnt |
| 20:46.03 | Adys | oh |
| 20:46.05 | Adys | ok third one does |
| 20:46.05 | Gnarfoz | especially #3 |
| 20:46.43 | Gnarfoz | haven't had any of these since I exchanged my 8800gtx *phew* |
| 20:47.04 | Adys | thing is |
| 20:47.21 | Adys | i dont see how it can be faulty hardware if it doesnt happen in d3d |
| 20:48.02 | foxlit | You aren't familiar with CPU bugs that can only be triggered under some OSes, then? |
| 20:48.03 | Gnarfoz | it didn't happen for me in any other 3d game, at all. :O |
| 20:48.15 | bleeter | Adys: yeah, what foxlit said |
| 20:48.28 | ajmitch | doesn't happen for me if I have better cooling :) |
| 20:48.28 | Adys | d3d is rendered using opengl |
| 20:48.30 | Gnarfoz | maybe it did, but manifested differently - maybe a game crashed hard to desktop and it was the same cause |
| 20:49.02 | Gnarfoz | damn WTH is wrong with Utopia |
| 20:49.05 | Gnarfoz | ~seen zeksie |
| 20:49.12 | purl | zeksie is currently on #wowuidev (6h 3m 27s) #wowace (6h 3m 27s) #curseforge (6h 3m 27s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 1h 1m 36s, last said: 'dunno then. works for me'. |
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| 20:50.09 | Gnarfoz | it's not working for me at all with my full addon setup. yet, stand alone, it works |
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| 21:00.55 | bleeter | oh yeah, that's another thing that pisses me off about carbonite. it keeps telling me to use flight points I ahven't discovered yet :/ |
| 21:01.35 | NeoTron | I haven't tested it myself yet but take a look at Debuff Enough too. It's essentially trying to fill the same spot as Utopia but in a different format |
| 21:01.54 | NeoTron | I don't know how either of them work in reality though so can't comment there |
| 21:02.12 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 21:02.17 | Gnarfoz | Utopia works. |
| 21:02.25 | Gnarfoz | just... not with something else I have |
| 21:02.55 | Gnarfoz | I have a strong suspicion it's Auctioneer :( not done binary searching - certainly looks like it though |
| 21:03.04 | NeoTron | not saying it doesn't work, just saying if you're looking for that kind of addon you might want to look at DE as well :) |
| 21:03.19 | NeoTron | esp if you like BuffEnough since I believe the display is similar equally |
| 21:03.35 | Gnarfoz | not used either ever :) |
| 21:03.36 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=SOjTOn9lC9I |
| 21:03.55 | Gnarfoz | oh god, it seems it's Auc + SOMETHING ELSE YET + Utopia xD |
| 21:04.01 | Lopeppeppy | Cannot Youtube, boss is next door. :) |
| 21:05.04 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: oh well, rachid taha's interpretation of rock the casbah. I'm still in two minds whether I like his music, but I do admire his efforts in widening the western audience to arabian style music :) |
| 21:06.07 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: then you should ;-) BuffEnough is darn nice |
| 21:06.10 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 21:06.12 | Gnarfoz | how, just HOW |
| 21:06.16 | Gnarfoz | I'm down to: |
| 21:06.30 | Gnarfoz | Auc+whole enchilada, SickOfClickingDailies and Utopia |
| 21:06.37 | Gnarfoz | if I disable either Auc oder SOCD, Utopia stops erroring |
| 21:06.39 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 21:07.09 | NeoTron | do they use embedded libs that somehow is used by Utopia? and what is your erroring? |
| 21:07.22 | Gnarfoz | it's erroring that Zeksie said should be impossible |
| 21:07.31 | Gnarfoz | because it would mean that an entire file wasn't being loaded |
| 21:07.33 | NeoTron | ok then |
| 21:07.41 | NeoTron | not a bug! |
| 21:07.57 | NeoTron | I love it when I get reports like that "this couldn't possibly go wrong!" |
| 21:08.10 | Gnarfoz | well, that wasn't me |
| 21:08.13 | Gnarfoz | that's what he said :p |
| 21:08.31 | Gnarfoz | and looking at the code, it's true :O |
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| 21:09.08 | Gnarfoz | fun thing is |
| 21:09.21 | Gnarfoz | Auc is using this whole alternate lib stuff |
| 21:09.26 | NeoTron | well |
| 21:09.30 | Gnarfoz | that next to no one besides them use |
| 21:09.35 | Gnarfoz | so they don't overlap at all |
| 21:09.43 | NeoTron | that's wht I meant. I get an error report, with a stack trace, that frmo what I can see couldn't happen |
| 21:09.47 | Gnarfoz | or maybe in what they do, but no identical libs in the 3 of them |
| 21:10.06 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: yeah :\ interaction troubles :( |
| 21:10.24 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: actually, thanks for reminding me.. been ages since I listened to his stuff. usually helps put some artists in perspective... maybe he's not that bad at all ;) |
| 21:10.46 | NeoTron | there's some issues I never figured out - I just guarded against the erroring which in some cases just moved the error |
| 21:10.50 | NeoTron | byt |
| 21:11.55 | Gnarfoz | it's *really* weird |
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| 21:17.40 | Gnarfoz | ok... I'm down to Stubby, EnhTooltip, Auc-Advanced (just the core), SickOfClickingDailies + Utopia. |
| 21:17.57 | Gnarfoz | disabling auc-adv or SOCD is enough to make it work normally |
| 21:18.00 | Gnarfoz | what gives >_< |
| 21:18.18 | Gnarfoz | something is messing something up bad |
| 21:19.38 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.30 | Gnarfoz | norgs: :\ your download mirror's down? |
| 21:21.00 | Gnarfoz | mirror02 at least, finally got another one ^^ |
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| 21:28.50 | End | ... |
| 21:28.54 | End | I just broke taskmgr |
| 21:29.25 | bleeter | rawr... i has an new intertoobs |
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| 21:33.08 | Lunessa | I must be the world's laziest shaman. I never give commands to my feral spirits. I just summon them and let them go to town. |
| 21:34.31 | NightHawkTheSane | bsg 4x01 needs to finish downloading so i have something to watch >.> |
| 21:48.11 | alestane | lua> ("%X"):format(37) |
| 21:48.11 | lua_bot | alestane: 25 |
| 21:53.20 | durcyn | ~seen jnwhiteh |
| 21:53.23 | purl | jnwhiteh <i=jnw@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 6h 33m 5s ago, saying: 'then I can control everything'. |
| 21:54.08 | cbreak | that sounds like a paranoid delusion |
| 21:55.48 | durcyn | yeah, well, he needs to control WowLua fuckin' up. |
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| 22:05.20 | erikd | ahh, the joys of supporting someone else's code: http://dl.omgninja.net/images/ss/bear_woods_code.png |
| 22:06.12 | alestane | lua> local s = string.char(18, 73, 185, 7); print(#s, string.byte(s)); return string.rep("%X", #s):format(string.byte(s)) |
| 22:06.12 | lua_bot | alestane: 4, 18, luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'format' (number expected, got no value) |
| 22:07.24 | alestane | lua> local s = string.char(18, 73, 185, 7); return string.byte(s) |
| 22:07.24 | lua_bot | alestane: 18 |
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| 22:08.35 | Wobin | http://selectparks.net/~julian/levelhead/ |
| 22:08.39 | Wobin | That's kinda cool |
| 22:08.45 | Wobin | watch the vimeo video to see how it works |
| 22:08.47 | Lunessa | erikd: I once found a function called "oralsex" and a result definition as "orgasm" (go COBOL); DO oralsex until orgasm. I didn't get much work done that day. |
| 22:09.03 | erikd | haha |
| 22:10.12 | Wobin | Lunessa: Did the process interrupt call BlueBalls? |
| 22:10.52 | Lunessa | Wobin: No, the funny thing is, it was in a city government accounting system undergoing Y2K upgrades. |
| 22:11.14 | Wobin | Oralsex wasn't 2k compliant? =( |
| 22:11.14 | krka | that's one way of detecting non-scientific programmers imo |
| 22:11.16 | Wobin | That's -terrible- |
| 22:12.12 | krka | non of the serious and skilled programmers i've met have used silly naming, but many of the "hackers" have |
| 22:12.36 | krka | the hackers could sometimes produce useful products, but i doubt that it was easy to maintain |
| 22:14.04 | Adys | is there a way when scanning a tooltip to know the size or color of a line? |
| 22:14.12 | Lunessa | I think someone was having a laugh at work. One guy I worked with tended to write massive amounts of code after a fighting with his wife. The error messages were full of things like "bitch" and "nag-boots" and "Compalin and Die" - it usually had to fix those bits. |
| 22:16.36 | krka | seriously unprofessional imo, leave that shit out of work |
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| 22:17.10 | Dewin | I have... not very professional stuff in my comments, but not in the code proper |
| 22:17.10 | Wobin | http://vimeo.com/752979 |
| 22:17.14 | Wobin | <3 Weird Al |
| 22:17.24 | Wobin | Also, Seth Green cameo =) |
| 22:17.48 | Lunessa | krka: I agree, but he was mazingly productive after such a fight. |
| 22:19.11 | Gnarfoz | so |
| 22:19.31 | Gnarfoz | who's gonna help me figure out why Utopia + Auc-Advanced + SickOfClickingDailies = weird error mess? :\ |
| 22:20.16 | Wobin | too many addons spoil the broth? |
| 22:20.27 | foxlit | Wobin: anything special about that? |
| 22:20.41 | foxlit | Looks like the original video |
| 22:20.47 | Wobin | nothing new |
| 22:20.49 | Wobin | just HD |
| 22:21.13 | Wobin | vimeo tends to be nicer quality than youtube |
| 22:21.49 | Gnarfoz | Wobin: I narrowed it down to those now. binary search is a bitch with this many addons. >_< |
| 22:21.54 | Gnarfoz | http://pastey.net/101431 |
| 22:22.42 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: write an addon |
| 22:22.55 | Gnarfoz | BTDT |
| 22:23.23 | foxlit | so? |
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| 22:25.42 | Lunessa | I like that Donnie Osmond is in that Weird Al video. |
| 22:25.49 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: you were saying? |
| 22:26.02 | foxlit | [to do a binary search] |
| 22:26.32 | Gnarfoz | ahh |
| 22:27.14 | Gnarfoz | no, not BT and DT, but that would've taken even longer :D |
| 22:27.41 | Gnarfoz | Wobin: man, now I have to dig up my Weird Al CDs ;D |
| 22:27.45 | Dewin | heh, binary search isn't always effective |
| 22:27.59 | Wobin | Gnarfoz: Then my good deed for the day is done =) |
| 22:28.03 | Dewin | I had two *separate* addons breaking my chatlog in 3.0 PTR times |
| 22:28.34 | Dewin | Imagine my frustration when I finally figured out what the (first) addon was and went and turned everything else back on and boom it was broken again |
| 22:30.08 | Gnarfoz | same |
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| 22:40.17 | linear` | whats the latest event that guarantees unitclass('player') will work, PLAYER_LOGIN? |
| 22:40.28 | Tem|work | Why are these people so fucking thick? |
| 22:40.29 | Tem|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12454390166 |
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| 22:43.24 | Esamynn|Work | anyone happen to know what order frame's OnUpdate scripts are called in? is it frame creation order? OnUpdate script assignment order? |
| 22:44.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|work: /topic |
| 22:44.34 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart Lopeppeppy |
| 22:44.34 | purl | slaps Lopeppeppy around with a large trout |
| 22:44.47 | Esamynn|Work | Lopeppeppy: don't lie to us, lie to yourself if like, but not to us :P |
| 22:44.52 | Tem|work | That's pretty low, Cairenn |
| 22:45.03 | Tem|work | taking a complete quote out of context is one thing |
| 22:45.11 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 22:45.22 | Tem|work | but taking a partial sentence is a whole other ballpark |
| 22:45.25 | Esamynn|Work | I take it that is a partial quote? |
| 22:45.34 | ScytheBlade1 | "of these forums" is the last bit |
| 22:45.34 | Esamynn|Work | Cairenn: yah, that is nasty :P |
| 22:45.43 | Lopeppeppy | Esamynn, I am innocent until you prove me guilty. Of something. Anything. Go ahead. |
| 22:45.57 | Tem|work | Lopeppeppy: I'm pretty sure you just proved guilt =P |
| 22:46.30 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. I did no such of a thingummie! |
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| 22:46.43 | Lunessa | Tem|afk: casue, math is like, hard, m'kay |
| 22:47.05 | Cairenn | 16:41 <+Tem> I really do need to get off these forums |
| 22:47.05 | Cairenn | 16:42 < zenzelezz> <Tem> I really do need to get off <-- don't start sentences like this on IRC |
| 22:47.25 | Cairenn | blame zenzelezz, not me! |
| 22:47.43 | ScytheBlade1 | 17:47 -!- Topic set by Cairenn [n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] [Mon Nov 10 15:24:21 2008] |
| 22:48.10 | Cairenn | still not my fault! |
| 22:48.20 | foxlit | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw20423.png |
| 22:48.22 | Tem|work | lol |
| 22:48.23 | foxlit | so pretty! |
| 22:48.46 | foxlit | (and so painless -- automatically populated) |
| 22:48.57 | Fisker- | suddenly i'll find you foxlit |
| 22:49.07 | Lopeppeppy | Foxlit, I thought the ring mods weren't working anymore. That one looks alive and kicking. |
| 22:49.12 | foxlit | And then you'll cower in fear, Fisker- |
| 22:49.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: they be working |
| 22:49.33 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: there's no real reason for hem |
| 22:49.37 | Lunessa | foxlit: Ilu |
| 22:49.44 | End | what? opie never stopped working... |
| 22:49.44 | foxlit | I'll rephrase |
| 22:49.54 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. I was wrong, it's all good. *soothes* |
| 22:50.03 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: There's no real reason for them not to work, besides the 3.0 migration eating the previous secureheader stuff |
| 22:50.19 | End | I blame foxlit |
| 22:50.43 | foxlit | I assume whatever fountain of code they all were deriving from wasn't updated for 3.0, so "ring mod for class xyz #234232" is probably still broken. |
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| 22:51.47 | Shaone | Is it possible to add a web hyperlink into the chat window via AddMessage()? |
| 22:52.57 | Lunessa | You can add text, but you can't launch a web browser. |
| 22:54.28 | Shaone | Hmm I coulda sworn I've seen it done. |
| 22:54.40 | Shaone | I thought I saw it in DBM or Omen or CTRA or something.. |
| 22:54.55 | Shaone | Or maybe the old GM interface |
| 22:55.07 | End | if you're really good, you can make it so clicking brings up a window you can copy the link from...but that still requires the user to copy it |
| 22:55.22 | Shaone | I see |
| 22:55.25 | [dRaCo] | adding a link isnt a problem... making the link look one isnt a problem, neither |
| 22:55.36 | [dRaCo] | but actually lauching apps from inside WoW is impossible |
| 22:55.39 | Lunessa | It still won't launch a web browser. |
| 22:55.47 | Shaone | Gotcha, thanks all |
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| 22:57.00 | Lunessa | I want to roll with my Gnomies... |
| 22:57.15 | [dRaCo] | pink haired gnome DKs? |
| 22:57.33 | Dewin | needs an army of pink haired gnome DKs. |
| 22:57.58 | [dRaCo] | I'm really looking forward to the first guy to dual-box 5 DKs |
| 22:58.15 | Pneumatus | surely that would be five-box |
| 22:58.15 | Dewin | It's technically more than dual-boxing if there's 5 DKs. |
| 22:58.16 | Lunessa | Almost everyone I know who is rolling a DK is rolling a gnome. |
| 22:58.22 | Shaone | Gimme some cash and I'll do it! :P |
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| 22:58.43 | [dRaCo] | ya... multi-box, w/e |
| 22:59.00 | Wikwocket | Can anyone recommend a lightweight mod that lets you re-name your bags? |
| 22:59.00 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy wants to be a DK. She really does. |
| 22:59.31 | Dewin | How light-weight? You could fake it with arkinventory easy enough I /think/ |
| 22:59.32 | End | Why gnome? |
| 22:59.44 | Lopeppeppy | Because it's so cute. *rolls eyes* |
| 23:00.07 | Lunessa | cute + evil + beig ass weapons = ftw. |
| 23:00.12 | Wikwocket | Well I would prefer it to not be a "one-bag" mod or anything :) |
| 23:00.19 | Lunessa | s big/beig |
| 23:00.31 | bleeter | mmm beige assses |
| 23:01.08 | Dewin | Wikwocket: You'd see all of your bags at once, but you can (probably) create rules in ArkInventory to categorize based on physical bag location. YMMV, however |
| 23:01.15 | Lunessa | whatever helps you ... er ... sleep at night. |
| 23:01.15 | foxlit | "Automatically populated with quest items with Use: effects, the ring saves you from ever again having to scavenge through your backpack to find the gun/net/explosive/magical wand you need to use on a mob." << shameless plug, you know you need it :P |
| 23:01.21 | Wikwocket | hmm |
| 23:01.34 | Lopeppeppy | Foxlit, you did not gief me lynx earlier. Just said it worked. |
| 23:02.12 | foxlit | You wanted a lynx? :) |
| 23:02.22 | Lunessa | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9094-OPie.html |
| 23:02.30 | Dewin | A lynx? |
| 23:02.40 | Dewin | Is that like http://xkcd.com/325/ |
| 23:02.41 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, love me some killer cats. :) |
| 23:02.41 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lynx_kitten.jpg |
| 23:02.52 | Wobin | Dewin: hehe I was too slow |
| 23:03.09 | foxlit | But yeah, Lunessa linked the addon :) |
| 23:03.13 | kd3 | har. the CMs are struggling to stay sane |
| 23:03.17 | Dewin | Wobin: Amazingly, just typing "xkcd ebay" on my address bar made it pop up ;) |
| 23:03.18 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: link? |
| 23:03.24 | Wobin | Dewin: hehe =) |
| 23:03.27 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12454549907&sid=1 |
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| 23:03.47 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl @ Yes! |
| 23:03.48 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahaha |
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| 23:04.20 | foxlit | "Pfft... you don't get a Thursday this week. It will be removed from history in an upcoming patch." |
| 23:04.33 | foxlit | s/history/reality/ would've been better |
| 23:04.36 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 23:04.39 | ScytheBlade1 | This thread is awesome |
| 23:05.09 | Dewin | << It's uncool to actually like WoW on the forums! >> |
| 23:06.06 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: what's it doing? |
| 23:06.21 | kd3 | crashing and burning after playing wow for a little while |
| 23:06.26 | bleeter | probably being a right pain in the arse |
| 23:06.33 | kd3 | Soft CPU time limit exhausted, terminating. |
| 23:06.34 | kd3 | Hard CPU time limit exhausted, terminating forcibly. |
| 23:06.34 | Lunessa | "*We have a time machine already, but apparently someone lost the key and replacing it is no small matter. We don't want to end up like Jack the Ripper from Time After Time." |
| 23:06.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, probably better to pipe WoW right through alsa |
| 23:06.46 | Cide | Antiarc: ping |
| 23:06.58 | bleeter | kd3: I've noticed mine gets annoyed if I've been playing Flash stuff as well as WoW |
| 23:07.19 | bleeter | seems to only happen on x86_64 though, which is hardly surprising |
| 23:07.22 | kd3 | it actually seems to be xmms2-related for me |
| 23:07.28 | kd3 | but yes. x86_64 |
| 23:07.32 | bleeter | could be |
| 23:07.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I eventually just ditched pulseaudio |
| 23:07.40 | bleeter | meh, wait for the tickless pulse in F10 |
| 23:07.47 | bleeter | and yeah, ditch it for now |
| 23:07.48 | ScytheBlade1 | The advantages weren't worth the effort/headaches |
| 23:08.07 | bleeter | it's a step in the right direction.. ok, a painful legless crawl in the right direction... |
| 23:08.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Besides, that'd be like my fifth volume control. |
| 23:08.29 | Wikwocket | hmmm a glance at the code shows that http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/bag-names.aspx might just still work |
| 23:08.32 | kd3 | the annoying thing is... if it wasn't for the power outage ~10 days ago, the running instance of pulse was rock solid |
| 23:08.43 | ScytheBlade1 | One in the app, one in pulse, another in pulse, one in the mixer, another in the mixer, and then a hardware headphone amp |
| 23:08.44 | kd3 | now breathing wrong sets it off |
| 23:08.59 | bleeter | yeah, that's the bit that annoys me... all I want is a simple bloody patch bay 'source app-<>-output' |
| 23:09.21 | ScytheBlade1 | *counts* 6 volume controls were nice but a bit excessive |
| 23:09.43 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: get yerself an ICE1712 card then start crying about vol controls, otherwise stfu :P |
| 23:10.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah yes, the Envy24 |
| 23:10.28 | bleeter | does sound bloody good, though |
| 23:10.39 | Wobin | Does it go to eleven? |
| 23:10.44 | ScytheBlade1 | My alsamixer has 22 different knobs to adjust so |
| 23:10.45 | bleeter | none of your domestic audio crap |
| 23:10.52 | ScytheBlade1 | (And that's on one of my sound cards) |
| 23:10.56 | bleeter | Wobin: no, but the embedded BBC News video player does! |
| 23:11.13 | Lopeppeppy | Azuremyst Isle bores me to tears, yup. |
| 23:11.53 | bleeter | bit I never understood, why was there tranq rep reward stuff, and stuff all for azuremyst? |
| 23:12.20 | Dashkal | bleeter: Alli got the better deal. We don't miss out on Exodar rep thanks to that |
| 23:14.52 | Lunessa | All I can say is... How to do you crash into a planet? |
| 23:15.13 | kd3 | calculations were off and landed a few thousand feet up? |
| 23:15.15 | Dashkal | Lunessa: no thrusters :p |
| 23:15.17 | kd3 | s/landed/teleported/ |
| 23:15.19 | bleeter | DNA said that to fly, you need to throw yourself at the ground an miss |
| 23:15.21 | bleeter | so I guess |
| 23:15.24 | bleeter | by not missing? |
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| 23:15.44 | Lunessa | bleeter: They were missing the all critical distraction. |
| 23:15.53 | bleeter | ;) |
| 23:16.15 | Lopeppeppy | suprising ideas. *nod* |
| 23:16.37 | bleeter | i tell you what |
| 23:16.43 | bleeter | if there's no bloody towel in wrath |
| 23:16.52 | bleeter | and I mean a serious towel, not the pissy thing we have now |
| 23:16.58 | bleeter | i'm gunna big time qq to ordinn |
| 23:17.06 | Esamynn|Work | huh? |
| 23:17.16 | NightHawkTheSane | you'll take your chain link towel and you'll LIKE IT |
| 23:17.22 | bleeter | :( |
| 23:17.49 | linear` | hm does this look good for properly capitalizing a spell http://ace.pastey.net/101436 |
| 23:17.52 | bleeter | see nethack for the usefulness of towels in a rogue-like game |
| 23:17.53 | Lopeppeppy | The one corner is soaked with nutrients. |
| 23:18.38 | Lunessa | the other with anti-depressants |
| 23:18.40 | Stanzilla | A major change in the World of Warcraft PvE community happened today as the two best guilds in the world, Nihilum and the former SK Gaming have now merged together and will form a new guild. |
| 23:18.47 | Stanzilla | /discuss |
| 23:18.57 | Esamynn|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.01 | bleeter | I'll discuss if you pay me to give a damn? |
| 23:19.04 | Lunessa | big frikkin whoope-de-mother-fing-do |
| 23:19.06 | Stanzilla | :P |
| 23:19.12 | Wobin | Skum Gaming? |
| 23:19.25 | cbreak | they were on the same server? |
| 23:19.43 | Lopeppeppy | They could do transfers if they're not. |
| 23:19.53 | Stanzilla | nah, the sk guys are moving to magtheridon now |
| 23:19.56 | cbreak | depends on if they are in the same region. but I guess so. |
| 23:20.10 | NightHawkTheSane | why does anyone care? |
| 23:20.33 | Wobin | it's true |
| 23:20.45 | cbreak | I find it interesting that my guild, that is not particularly successful, survives better than those two. |
| 23:20.48 | Wobin | what impact does that have on anyone not in those guilds? |
| 23:21.08 | Wobin | cbreak: Most likely because you're too lazy to split up |
| 23:21.14 | Lunessa | none whatsoever. |
| 23:21.18 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: i find the success of a guild is not particularly related to survival |
| 23:21.48 | Lunessa | Which is the same amount of damage a bulldozer would suffer if I let it just run straight over you. |
| 23:22.22 | Lopeppeppy | Make sure you have peanuts. The salt helps. |
| 23:22.24 | bleeter | you vandals, you home wreckers.. i'll sue the council for every penny it has! |
| 23:22.58 | bleeter | H2G2 on random is still the winningest mp3 album/s to ever listen to |
| 23:23.18 | Lunessa | Yes, but can you get your bank to acknowledge your change of address card without finding the llama treats? |
| 23:23.31 | Lopeppeppy | It's been on file in your local planning office.... |
| 23:24.20 | bleeter | ENERGIZE THE DEMOLITION BEAMS |
| 23:24.37 | Lopeppeppy | Do not, under any circumstances, let a Vogon read poetry at you. |
| 23:26.03 | bleeter | The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. |
| 23:26.04 | bleeter | They lay. They rotted. They turned |
| 23:26.04 | bleeter | Around occassionally. |
| 23:26.13 | bleeter | Bits of flesh dropped off them from |
| 23:26.14 | bleeter | Time to time. |
| 23:26.15 | bleeter | And sank into the pool's mire. |
| 23:26.16 | Lunessa | And if you run a detective agency in London, never, ever, take a commission from a man named Oddwin. |
| 23:26.22 | bleeter | They also smelt a great deal. |
| 23:26.36 | abyx | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O2aH4XLbto&feature=channel |
| 23:26.42 | abyx | oops O_O |
| 23:28.47 | bleeter | http://aldragon.net/tmoliff/tmoliffrandom.html |
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| 23:32.09 | MadsL | Hey Guys. I just added the Barber Shop and the Vehicle Functions to the ApiWIKI.. tho i got some more im not sure here to put.. who can i talk with? |
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| 23:32.45 | kd3 | wherever. pick a section that works or make one |
| 23:32.50 | kd3 | "uncategorized" if you have to |
| 23:32.57 | Lunessa | that's the beauty of a wiki |
| 23:34.24 | malu05 | yea but... hmm |
| 23:34.28 | malu05 | Glyph info |
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| 23:46.57 | Shaboo | greetings |
| 23:47.05 | Lopeppeppy | morning |
| 23:47.12 | Shaboo | how do I do a case statement in lua ? |
| 23:47.19 | Tem|afk | you don't |
| 23:47.21 | cbreak | with many ifs |
| 23:47.24 | cbreak | or with a table |
| 23:47.29 | Shaboo | nested if elses ? |
| 23:47.37 | Tem|afk | if blah then |
| 23:47.39 | cbreak | there's elseif |
| 23:47.46 | Tem|afk | elseif blah then |
| 23:47.47 | Shaboo | ah |
| 23:47.50 | Tem|afk | elseif blah then |
| 23:47.51 | Tem|afk | end |
| 23:48.02 | Shaboo | but u start off with an if right ? |
| 23:48.06 | Tem|afk | if blah then |
| 23:48.09 | Tem|afk | elseif blah then |
| 23:48.12 | Tem|afk | else blah then |
| 23:48.13 | Tem|afk | end |
| 23:48.32 | Tem|afk | er |
| 23:48.42 | Tem|afk | no "blah then" on the else |
| 23:49.35 | Shaboo | okies thx |
| 23:56.46 | Wobin | or use a function table =) |
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