| 00:00.09 | Cidan | Paladin's |
| 00:00.22 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 00:00.30 | Zxcvb | are locks still hopelessly nerfed as well? |
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| 00:00.37 | Lopeppeppy | That's gonna take some time for them to go back and balance out, by their own admittance (paladins) |
| 00:02.15 | Lunessa | Cairenn: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12353995814&sid=1#1 Please add to FAQ. :D |
| 00:02.35 | Cairenn | k |
| 00:04.04 | NeoTron | Zxcvb: I don't think locks were hopelessly "nerfed" |
| 00:04.38 | NeoTron | I mean Brutallus - Demo (FG) lock >3000 DPS, me at destro at 2850ish DPS (imp/shadow), with a boomkin at top at 3200 DPS |
| 00:04.52 | NeoTron | excluding insanely good melee DPS locks really aren't that bad.. no? |
| 00:05.10 | sacarasc | i wish i could do 3kdps |
| 00:05.20 | sacarasc | i've hit 1850 |
| 00:05.22 | NeoTron | I think most lock issues is bad play, bad specs or just not being used to more than spamming one button. |
| 00:07.31 | Gnarfoz | basically, like back before the first round of class reviews. |
| 00:07.32 | Gnarfoz | :) |
| 00:08.05 | Gnarfoz | back when demo was useless and soul link still split 50% ^^ |
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| 00:11.52 | Arrowmaster | boo wheres iriel |
| 00:11.54 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12354805813&postId=123263151065&sid=1#0 |
| 00:12.21 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: Dude, before the first round of reviews Soul Link? We didn't has it. |
| 00:12.33 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: I think we have a winner ;) |
| 00:12.40 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 00:12.47 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: uhh... what oO I don't even *remember* obviously. :D |
| 00:12.48 | bleeter | Nechckn, RockSlice: check that bug URL that Arrowmaster just posted |
| 00:13.02 | Arrowmaster | ???? |
| 00:13.03 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: we're seeing some weirdness with Auctioneer this morning... I am suspecting it's related |
| 00:13.06 | Arrowmaster | you guys already noticed it? |
| 00:13.26 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: I haven't got that far down. That's why I'm pinging 'the guys' to check it :) |
| 00:13.30 | Arrowmaster | somebody is actually already using the second return from IsAddOnLoaded()? |
| 00:13.48 | Gnarfoz | the only weirdness I see with Auctioneer is that it keeps erroring every first time I go the the AH when I have sold auctions pending or auctions someone bid on :( |
| 00:13.54 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: My original toon right out of beta was a human warlock, Demonlogy spec, on a PvP server. A recipe for suffering. |
| 00:14.07 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: out of beta? you mean 'at launch'? |
| 00:14.11 | bleeter | but we could do a 'getall' on first login, then trying again wouldn't throw an error (it should say 'try again in 15 mins'). relogging completely seems to 'fix' the problem. I think Tekkub was saying there's oddities in other addons atm too |
| 00:14.17 | Dewin | as far as I'm concerned, anything on a PVP server is a recipe for summoning. |
| 00:14.20 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: Yeah. :P |
| 00:14.26 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: having said all that, and looking at your post, I wouldn't be shocked if it's not related |
| 00:14.35 | bleeter | d/not/ |
| 00:14.45 | Tekkub | I was saying, I did a get all and didn't get results back |
| 00:14.47 | Tekkub | that's all |
| 00:15.02 | Arrowmaster | im guessing if it is related its because the 2nd return is accidently getting into something because auctioneer isnt expecting it to have two returns |
| 00:15.30 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: hm. really? ;D I was destro at that point. or rather, some months later because EU release was 2005-02, not 2004-11 like US |
| 00:15.34 | Arrowmaster | but its had two returns since sometime in beta |
| 00:16.04 | bleeter | Tekkub: fair enough, must've been someone else seeing oddities in other addons, too |
| 00:16.11 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: Basically, I spent several months hitting my face with a hammer wanting 'locks to be cool. |
| 00:16.15 | bleeter | Tekkub: apologies for putting words in your mouth if you were offended. |
| 00:16.27 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: well, you were successful. :) |
| 00:16.28 | Nechckn | Something just isn't "right" |
| 00:16.44 | Lunessa | They're very cool now. Smexy. |
| 00:16.52 | Tekkub | :P |
| 00:16.55 | Gnarfoz | too bad I don't play mine anymore. :( |
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| 00:23.13 | KarlKFI_ | that's weird i just posted on the forum and it said i was Anduinlothar <The Epic Crusade> of Dragonblight |
| 00:23.38 | KarlKFI_ | that was 2 guilds ago prior to a server transfer |
| 00:23.41 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet funtimes. |
| 00:24.05 | bleeter | KarlKFI_: iirc, forum avatars and stuff is pulled from Armory, as such... ;) |
| 00:24.27 | KarlKFI_ | armory correctly says i'm unguilded on doomhammer tho |
| 00:24.44 | KarlKFI_ | the server transfer was in June |
| 00:24.56 | bleeter | does the old guild still list you as a member? |
| 00:25.23 | bleeter | that may be tricky to track down, though. if the guild disbanded, you'll need to find someone who's still incorrectly tagged as being a member of the guild, then look at their guild data |
| 00:25.36 | bleeter | well, that's how it 'worked' (or not) a few months ago, recent behaviour may have changed |
| 00:25.36 | KarlKFI_ | the old guild fell apart. it didn't disband but there's onyl 2 members in it |
| 00:26.05 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI: on the forums reselect which character to post as |
| 00:26.15 | Arrowmaster | that always updates it |
| 00:26.21 | KarlKFI_ | ahh |
| 00:26.37 | Arrowmaster | otherwise its usually a little slow on updating |
| 00:26.40 | bleeter | oh, to fix it yeah do that... thought he may have just been curious in the oddities |
| 00:27.10 | Arrowmaster | although im guessing because of the server transfer it would have been stuck like that forever |
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| 00:33.28 | chris_s | if I send a message using SendAddonMessage to "PARTY", should the sending player also receive the event, or just everyone else in the party ? |
| 00:34.41 | Gnarfoz | you receive your own messages, too |
| 00:35.24 | linear` | whats the event |
| 00:35.26 | linear` | to find out if a unit died |
| 00:35.39 | Gnarfoz | UNIT_DIED |
| 00:35.39 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 00:35.40 | chris_s | custom "event" |
| 00:36.10 | linear` | o |
| 00:36.13 | linear` | its a combat log event |
| 00:37.06 | linear` | im guessing the srcname is the unit |
| 00:39.12 | chris_s | its not a typical event, its an addon message event ... channel |
| 00:39.24 | chris_s | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendAddonMessage |
| 00:42.12 | Tekkub | Something tells me that my "reset position" button isn't clearing all points: http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3004312364/ |
| 00:44.18 | Dewin | .... lol. So I'm researching a 'smear' campaign on one of our candidates for senator and there's a report on the 'unusually high number' of worker's compensation claims. |
| 00:44.58 | Dewin | it's a table with columns such as company, injury period, victim's age.... what was hurt, 'event' and 'source'. |
| 00:45.09 | Dewin | On one of them the 'event' is "Struck by", and the "Source" is "Chainsaw" |
| 00:45.09 | Lunessa | Tekkub: Don't think of it as a bug, think of it as pixel art! |
| 00:46.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i'll clear YOUR points. |
| 00:46.49 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 00:53.06 | Lunessa | I are ascared of the Rawr and needs a huggles. |
| 00:53.22 | Lopeppeppy | ~huggle Lunessa |
| 00:53.30 | Lopeppeppy | Oh no! |
| 01:06.32 | p3lim | 210 herbalism atm, SoS getting green, anyone know where to go skill up now? |
| 01:06.49 | Lopeppeppy | What's your green herb, and what area are you picking it in? |
| 01:07.35 | NeoTron | http://www.blizzardguides.com/wow_herbalism_guide.html |
| 01:07.52 | NeoTron | google: herbalism leveling guide |
| 01:08.06 | p3lim | Hm Khadgar's Whisker should be green now I guess |
| 01:08.12 | p3lim | running around in Swamps of Sorrow |
| 01:08.19 | alestane | Hinterlands or Felwood, or maybe WPL or Azshara, might be decent choices. |
| 01:08.24 | Lunessa | p3lim: Hit Swamp of Sorrows. Pick EVERYTHING. |
| 01:08.31 | Lunessa | Blindweed will get you to 300 |
| 01:08.33 | p3lim | Lunessa: aint getting any skill from it |
| 01:08.39 | p3lim | Im too low for Blindweed |
| 01:08.48 | p3lim | its 235 req |
| 01:08.50 | shadowfaux | STV? |
| 01:09.28 | NeoTron | really, google it. there are a literal ton of guides |
| 01:09.30 | p3lim | what herbs are there in hinterlands? |
| 01:09.41 | p3lim | that guide you linked me NeoTron, it sucks :p |
| 01:09.42 | alestane | Sungrass, goldthorn, purple lotus. |
| 01:10.00 | Tekkub | ah scan all works again |
| 01:10.04 | shadowfaux | http://www.wow-professions.com |
| 01:10.06 | Lopeppeppy | Um... If I just got booted out of 5 levels worht of playtime, I'm gonna be snarky. |
| 01:10.06 | Tekkub | bout time, now I can sell mah shits |
| 01:10.07 | NeoTron | and why so? |
| 01:10.31 | NeoTron | http://www.google.com/search?q=herbalism+leveling+guide&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 find oen you like |
| 01:10.33 | p3lim | it changes places every 10-15 skill, its pointless |
| 01:11.02 | NeoTron | tha's the thing with herbs - there are a lot of them |
| 01:11.20 | p3lim | alestane: sungrass = red, goldthorn = green |
| 01:11.39 | NeoTron | firebloom => just right |
| 01:11.40 | p3lim | going back to SoS at 235-240ish |
| 01:11.50 | p3lim | yeah but tanaris? come on >_> |
| 01:12.40 | p3lim | i have my reasons for writing my own guide to skinning :p |
| 01:12.42 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: huh? |
| 01:12.47 | NeoTron | your choice is purple lotus or firebloom |
| 01:12.49 | p3lim | much more efficent than the other ones out there |
| 01:12.54 | NeoTron | go to wowhead.com and find a place where you can get them |
| 01:13.01 | NeoTron | neither aren't exactly widely available |
| 01:13.13 | Lunessa | p3lim: Firebloom is also in the cauldron |
| 01:13.14 | NeoTron | but I'd say firebloom in searing gorge |
| 01:13.20 | p3lim | Lunessa: loads? |
| 01:13.23 | alestane | Firebloom is plentiful in Tanaris and Searing Gorge. |
| 01:13.36 | Lunessa | Searing Gorge, that's it. :) |
| 01:13.37 | NeoTron | alestane: apprently Tanaris is 'too far away" for p3lim ... |
| 01:13.41 | NeoTron | tanaris also has purple lotus |
| 01:13.44 | p3lim | no, its too big |
| 01:14.03 | p3lim | but ill check out SG, thanks for that tip |
| 01:14.03 | Tekkub | I don't see the problem |
| 01:14.12 | kd3 | painful lag is painful |
| 01:14.12 | NeoTron | badlands, searing gorge or tanaris. pick one |
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| 01:14.31 | kd3 | I got invited to the raid and can see what's getting said, but I can't talk in /ra and my UI thinks I'm not in a party |
| 01:14.35 | p3lim | 10THammer has helped me before, it says SG, you say SG, im off to SG |
| 01:14.46 | alestane | Badlands pretty much tops out at goldthorn and Kadgar's whisker. |
| 01:14.56 | Torhal | Firebloom is most plentiful in Tanaris. I _always_ go there to farm it. |
| 01:14.59 | NeoTron | alestane: it has occasional firebloom |
| 01:15.01 | p3lim | alestane: both are green for me |
| 01:15.06 | NeoTron | I'd say Tanaris is best |
| 01:15.09 | Torhal | You don't have to go too far from Gadgetzan either |
| 01:15.13 | NeoTron | because it has both firebloom and purple lotus |
| 01:15.15 | Torhal | Aye |
| 01:15.36 | NeoTron | you can also go to hinterlands and pick purple lotus but that'd be slower until you can get to the sungrass level at 230 |
| 01:15.48 | Dashkal | Tanaris has the most nodes, but you'll want a good route. Too spread out. I tend to do searing gorge for firebloom since the route is much simpler |
| 01:16.30 | NeoTron | tanaris is pretty much "open" compared to the rather unfriendly terrain of searing gorge though |
| 01:16.49 | p3lim | i create my own routes (because I cant find any), so Id like to take smaller zones. Thats why tanaris is out of the question (unless there is a route out there made for it) |
| 01:16.53 | Dashkal | NeoTron: It's the "unfriendliness" that makes SG so easy to farm. It's basically two concentric circles |
| 01:17.16 | Dashkal | p3lim: gathermate + gathermate data + 5 minutes to delete obviously bad nodes, + routes. |
| 01:17.25 | Torhal | Dashkal, you beat me to it |
| 01:17.29 | Torhal | Heh |
| 01:17.48 | Dashkal | :p |
| 01:18.07 | p3lim | hm more addons.. |
| 01:18.27 | Dashkal | routes is _very_ handy if you aren't using it already. Xinhuan did an amazing job with that one |
| 01:18.34 | Torhal | And if you have TomTom, it's a matter of "ooh! follow the arrow" to the next node |
| 01:18.52 | Dashkal | gathermate vs gatherer is a matter of personal preference. iirc routes does both? (cannot remember) |
| 01:19.06 | Torhal | I showed some guildies Routes about a year ago and they decided not to let other people know about it. Heh |
| 01:19.24 | Xinhuan | it does both, but gatherer doesn't have callbacks, so you dont' get auto updating routes ;p |
| 01:19.25 | Torhal | Yes, routes does both, but Gatherer doesn't support callbacks like Gathermate does |
| 01:19.35 | p3lim | ill take a look at em |
| 01:19.36 | Dashkal | I can often tell who else has routes... they strangely seem to follow the same path I do when farming :p |
| 01:20.12 | Lunessa | I was using it, but honestly... it didn't seem to be helpful if I wanted more than one sort of thing. |
| 01:20.25 | Dashkal | p3lim: one caveat: If you're using gathermate-data, you'll need to spend about 5 mins a zone removing bizarre nodes. I remember having to remove a chunk from netherstorm that suggested to me that some private server had an extra island out there. |
| 01:20.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: thats when you jump ahead of them on the route ;) |
| 01:20.33 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: exactly what I did :p |
| 01:20.44 | p3lim | Dashkal: lol |
| 01:21.05 | p3lim | anyone wanna share a good database for GatherMate then? pref tanaris/SG/SoS |
| 01:21.19 | Xinhuan | Dashkal, its been a long time but we switched to using wowdb data instead of wowhead |
| 01:21.23 | Xinhuan | in GatherMate_Data |
| 01:21.28 | Xinhuan | which doesn't have fake nodes |
| 01:21.33 | Dashkal | Xinhuan: hopefully wowdb is a little less fucked in the head :p |
| 01:22.00 | Dashkal | I just imported once, nuked gas clouds (thanks for the help with that) and left it. |
| 01:22.41 | Dashkal | I should look into map mods in general again. Not sure if I want mapster or cart3. Haven't really decided which style works best for me. |
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| 01:22.48 | Torhal | I'm wondering if Blizzard is going to revamp the Riding Crop or not. Required level - 69, useless at level 71. |
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| 01:23.10 | Torhal | At least make the required level 60. Sheesh. |
| 01:23.16 | Dashkal | Not happy losing speed when I ding |
| 01:23.18 | NightHawkTheSane | probably won't touch it, but implement something new later on |
| 01:23.27 | Dashkal | Should have broke it cleanly in 3.0.2 |
| 01:23.51 | Torhal | Well, as it stands, the riding crop is only useful for two levels. Insane. |
| 01:24.15 | Dashkal | It's not intended to be obtained anymore |
| 01:24.17 | smcn | outland world server down on any other realms? :/ |
| 01:24.20 | p3lim | there, GatherMate + data + Routes + TomTom |
| 01:24.30 | NightHawkTheSane | hah, CNN amuses me. They call one senate race when it's 57-43, but a 58-42 race is "a tough race, too close to call" |
| 01:24.57 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: *nogs* cnn is on crack. States with claimed victors with 0% reporting and other such details. |
| 01:25.03 | NightHawkTheSane | smcn: yeah, it was going down a few times for me |
| 01:25.17 | smcn | been trying to log on for 30 minutes now |
| 01:25.20 | smcn | QQQQqqqqqqq |
| 01:25.23 | kd3 | sigh. logged in on an alt and I can still /who my main |
| 01:25.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: well, some states a blind monkey could call, i don't mind them calling IL for obama or someshit. |
| 01:25.27 | Kaso | bbc really seems to be the best coverage to me |
| 01:25.29 | Dashkal | cbc seems to be reporting without "predicting" |
| 01:25.51 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: fair enough, but I'd rather if they just faded the color and said "projected" rather than claiming it won |
| 01:26.00 | Lopeppeppy | Grrrr, NY needs to start reporting so I can stop refreshing... |
| 01:26.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: oh, agred, but *shrug* |
| 01:26.12 | Zxcvb | kind of funny, given that people can't vote for obama or mccain |
| 01:26.24 | kd3 | and now outland's dead |
| 01:26.28 | Dashkal | Zxcvb: huh? |
| 01:27.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: >.> even cbc is "calling" states with "0% reporting" |
| 01:27.24 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: bah, figures. Oh yeah, they're sourcing off of AP. nevermind them then |
| 01:27.25 | Zxcvb | only 500 or so people actually vote for the president, you vote to select one of those people who then vote for the president |
| 01:27.39 | Zxcvb | it is entirely possible for obama to get 100% of the popular vote but for mccain to win |
| 01:27.41 | Dashkal | Zxcvb: oh yeah, the on crack system :p |
| 01:28.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Zxcvb: 538, specifically |
| 01:28.19 | Dashkal | I much prefer the canadian system, but only by preference, it has it's bizarre bits too. |
| 01:28.46 | NightHawkTheSane | which, if you actually do the math, is massively broken in that it gives less populous states more weight, but i digress. |
| 01:28.52 | Zxcvb | the odds of a canidate losing even with 100% of the popular vote is extremely low, though |
| 01:28.59 | Dashkal | bbc seems to match the other two maps. Guess I'll just have to deal with the blind monkey bits |
| 01:29.04 | Gnarfoz | the fact that it's technically possible scares me |
| 01:29.17 | Gnarfoz | or rather, would scare me if I were a US-ian |
| 01:29.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Zxcvb: also, arguments like that are total non-sequiturs, the times an elector has voted in contrary to his constituents can probably be counted on one or two hands. |
| 01:29.56 | Dashkal | Ok, does the popular vote within a electoral vote's reagion in any way bind the region's vote toward the state? (forgive if I'm mangling things, my knowledge of this system is very limited) |
| 01:30.16 | Zxcvb | Dashkal: in theory no, in practice yes |
| 01:30.26 | Dashkal | Zxcvb: ahh ok, danke |
| 01:30.47 | Zxcvb | Dashkal: some states have laws to punish so called faithless electors but they have never been used or tested in court |
| 01:30.55 | p3lim | This is just a mess |
| 01:30.58 | p3lim | Routes that is |
| 01:31.03 | vithos | electoral vote distribution is a compromise between the way the senate works and the way the house works |
| 01:31.07 | Dashkal | p3lim: optomize it |
| 01:31.11 | Dashkal | it stops being a mess |
| 01:31.16 | p3lim | Got a million pink lines stretching all over the map |
| 01:31.28 | NightHawkTheSane | vithos: no, it tries to be, but fails. |
| 01:31.34 | vithos | which i think is somewhat reasonable. but i hate how almost every state is all-or-nothing |
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| 01:31.38 | Dashkal | The real magic is in that button. Xin solved the TSP reasonably well in pretty good time |
| 01:31.50 | alestane | It's a compromise between giving power to the states, and giving power to the populace. |
| 01:32.02 | cbreak | the US uses electors because they are a huge country, and government officials can only affort to travel by horse carriage. |
| 01:32.03 | Dashkal | Assumption: Do states _have_ to vote all one way or the other or is that custom? |
| 01:32.15 | NightHawkTheSane | states don't vote |
| 01:32.18 | Dashkal | ok, I was going to phrase that as an assumption, not a question.. whatever |
| 01:32.21 | NightHawkTheSane | electors vote. |
| 01:32.26 | alestane | States can choose their electors however they want to. |
| 01:32.30 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: to the point, all electors in a state |
| 01:32.36 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: if you have a million lines all going everywhere, you haven't pushed the button that basically makes up half of what the addon does? ^^ |
| 01:32.38 | Zxcvb | electors can be chosen by the state however they wish |
| 01:32.45 | p3lim | i have |
| 01:32.45 | vithos | Dashkal: there's a few states that divide their electoral votes, i think. i don't know which ones though |
| 01:32.47 | p3lim | oh wait |
| 01:32.52 | Zxcvb | a state's electoral votes could be assigned by flipping a coin, in theory |
| 01:32.53 | p3lim | got two routes on >_> |
| 01:33.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: as Zxcvb noted, some states have laws requiring their electors to vote inline with the popular vote. some do not. |
| 01:33.10 | Corrodias | electors can vote however they want as well, if i'm not mistaken, but almost never go against the votes |
| 01:33.12 | NightHawkTheSane | vithos: nebraska and maine |
| 01:33.13 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: man... I thought the system was on crack before... |
| 01:33.22 | Corrodias | ah |
| 01:33.27 | Xinhuan | Dashkal, i think i might have overpruned it ;p |
| 01:33.32 | Gnarfoz | one other thing I find weird is that |
| 01:33.40 | NightHawkTheSane | to be honest, the "electors can vote how they want" is honestly (in practice) the least-broken part of the system |
| 01:33.42 | Zxcvb | NightHawkTheSane: those laws don't prevent electors from voting differently, but impose fines and other punishments for doing so |
| 01:33.48 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't matter if a candidate wins a state by 1% or by 80% |
| 01:33.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Zxcvb: same difference. |
| 01:33.55 | Gnarfoz | in moste states, it's winner-take-all |
| 01:33.59 | Dashkal | Xinhuan: "overpruned"? I don't actually understand the TSP enough to understand that as a problem :p |
| 01:34.01 | Zxcvb | NightHawkTheSane: and those laws haven't been tested in court, they might be unconstitutional |
| 01:34.01 | Gnarfoz | (just a handful of exceptions to that) |
| 01:34.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: 2, that i noted. |
| 01:34.11 | Dashkal | I just see "press button and mess turns into pretty route" :p |
| 01:34.13 | p3lim | but Routes completely ignore that theres a huge pit in the middle of Searing Gorge >_> |
| 01:34.18 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: ah, I didn't realize you were talking about the same thing :> |
| 01:34.27 | p3lim | Running across it several times :p |
| 01:34.28 | Dashkal | p3lim: you can add a null zone to SG and routes will skip it |
| 01:34.29 | Xinhuan | p3lim: you'll need to create a taboo region for that |
| 01:34.42 | Xinhuan | and routes will ignore anything inside the polygon area you define |
| 01:35.00 | Xinhuan | you'll need to create a taboo region first, then attach that taboo region to your route |
| 01:35.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: If you actually do the math.. with only 270 EVs required to win, and (most) states only requiring 50%+1 vote to win that states EV's, you only actually need (roughly) 25% of the voters to win an election. |
| 01:35.19 | Xinhuan | instructions is in the "Help file" in /routes |
| 01:35.26 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: ouch ;p |
| 01:35.28 | NightHawkTheSane | if you managed to get the most EV-efficiant states, that number actually goes down. |
| 01:35.32 | Zxcvb | I haven't been able to find out what happens if an elector dies or is otherwise incapacitated |
| 01:35.46 | NightHawkTheSane | (note: EV-efficiant states are LOW POPULATION states) |
| 01:35.55 | Xinhuan | example screenshot here p3lim: http://static.wowace.com/uploads/19/10/780/pvw19593.jpg |
| 01:35.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Zxcvb: something uninteresting, i bet. |
| 01:36.30 | p3lim | Xinhuan: you have different options than what I have |
| 01:36.31 | p3lim | odd |
| 01:36.45 | cbreak | NightHawkTheSane: and the one with the other 75% loses? |
| 01:36.48 | Xinhuan | yeah cos that screenshot is 1 year old |
| 01:37.06 | Xinhuan | but it should be similar |
| 01:37.18 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: in theory, yes. But the reality of the situaton is that that other 75% of the voters don't break for just one person. :P |
| 01:37.35 | Xinhuan | ace config changed its "looks" about half a year ago |
| 01:37.40 | cbreak | I thought you guys had a de-facto two party system. |
| 01:37.44 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: it's more a matter of the other 75% just.. -not mattering- |
| 01:37.44 | Xinhuan | so the tree on the left side looks different now |
| 01:38.22 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: parties aren't even "written down" anywhere, afaik |
| 01:38.27 | p3lim | oh there we go |
| 01:38.34 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: I think you missed what i was saying. I'll start over. there's 270 EVs required to win. So, it doesn't matter -who- wins the other 268 EVs, voters in those states are irrelevant. |
| 01:38.42 | Sixen | (10:25:51 PM) MemoServ: (notice) You have a new memo from Fetchboris. |
| 01:38.44 | Xinhuan | anyhow, taboo regions should be really easy to create |
| 01:38.46 | Sixen | What do I do with that? |
| 01:38.46 | p3lim | had to optimize it a couple times for it to get the taboo thing |
| 01:38.47 | Lunessa | cbreak: We have multiple registered political parties. Only two huge ones. |
| 01:38.56 | Gnarfoz | Sixen: /msg memoserv help |
| 01:38.58 | bleeter | Sixen: /msg memoserv help ;) |
| 01:39.01 | cbreak | sounds like a stupid system. |
| 01:39.01 | Xinhuan | just drag a polygon over an area, attach it to a route, they reoptimize the route |
| 01:39.01 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: SNAP! |
| 01:39.02 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: Further, within those 270 EVs, most states only require 50%+1 vote to win the state, so the other 50%-1 votes are entirely worthless. |
| 01:39.04 | Xinhuan | and it should go around it |
| 01:39.06 | p3lim | lets take it around for a spin then |
| 01:39.08 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: /bonk |
| 01:39.48 | NeoTron | if you insist on EV's... you should just give each candiate the number of votes there percentage gives them, rounding up for the winner |
| 01:40.02 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: i found the LibJostle-3.0 bug |
| 01:40.08 | p3lim | <3 the new shadowmeld too |
| 01:40.13 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 01:40.16 | p3lim | its basically a free vanish in pve |
| 01:40.16 | Fisker- | OMG THEY'RE DROWNING SLOUKEN |
| 01:40.22 | Arrowmaster | its not a LibJostle-3.0 bug |
| 01:40.28 | NeoTron | really though, are electorial votes really of any use nowadays? |
| 01:40.45 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: that's debatable. |
| 01:40.49 | Xinhuan | what is it then |
| 01:40.56 | Corrodias | every channel i'm in has politics, if it has any discussion |
| 01:40.57 | Arrowmaster | wait |
| 01:41.01 | Zxcvb | I still think that going for the electors is an easier way to win an election |
| 01:41.02 | Corrodias | iiii hate election days. |
| 01:41.08 | Arrowmaster | might be more than one bug actually |
| 01:41.10 | NightHawkTheSane | as noted, EVs are a compromise between giving power to the raw populace vs giving power to "states". |
| 01:41.13 | NeoTron | I'm a Swede where it's all popular vote so the electorial vote system is just strange to me |
| 01:41.25 | Fisker- | it's too late Lopeppeppy |
| 01:41.26 | Fisker- | http://i36.tinypic.com/27xezab.jpg |
| 01:41.27 | Fisker- | :( |
| 01:41.52 | vithos | EVs shouldn't be integers though. and they shouldn't be all-in per state |
| 01:42.04 | NeoTron | vithos: indeed |
| 01:42.05 | NightHawkTheSane | vithos: they shouldn't exist, period. |
| 01:42.18 | NeoTron | popular > weighted EV > EV imo |
| 01:42.18 | NightHawkTheSane | EVs are nothing but an exercise in disenfranchising voters. |
| 01:42.34 | Corrodias | EVs are the devil |
| 01:43.04 | Corrodias | much like gay people, taxing me instead of other people, and breaking the egg on the big end |
| 01:43.08 | Zxcvb | yeah, what is easier, convincing a couple of hundred people at most to change their votes or a hundred million |
| 01:43.22 | vithos | personally i'm not sure whether they should exist at all. what i am sure of is that the way they work is fail and could be improved |
| 01:43.38 | Fisker- | who's your god now? |
| 01:43.44 | Zxcvb | it might not even be illegal to bribe a presidential elector to change his/her vote |
| 01:43.59 | Corrodias | i bet it is |
| 01:44.32 | p3lim | good so far |
| 01:44.45 | Lopeppeppy | There are some stiff penalities for messing with elections that way, IIRC |
| 01:44.55 | vithos | i also think we should have something better than "pick your favorite" for a voting system. instant runoff voting, or any number of the similar systems to it would be better |
| 01:45.28 | Corrodias | oh yes, i strongly agree with voting reform |
| 01:45.50 | vithos | because as it is, if you vote for an independent or third party, it's likely you could contribute to electing the major party candidate that you don't want |
| 01:45.58 | NeoTron | I think all candidates should go against eachother without first all but eliminating any but the two |
| 01:46.06 | NeoTron | might give independants a higher chance of winning too |
| 01:46.20 | NeoTron | still not likely but possible.. |
| 01:46.20 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: no, it really wouldn't. |
| 01:46.22 | bleeter | I think candidates should be elected on the basis of who can survive a fish slapping contest the longest |
| 01:46.39 | Torhal | Or a raid wipe. |
| 01:46.40 | cbreak | I think you should do away with president as office |
| 01:46.42 | Torhal | In a PUG |
| 01:46.50 | cbreak | those make more troubles than they are worth |
| 01:46.55 | Corrodias | our candidates should wrestle to the death |
| 01:46.57 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: I am not so sure... if for no other reason than splitting votes between more people and the idea that voting on an independant actually might do good |
| 01:47.41 | Lunessa | Two words: Cage Match. |
| 01:48.00 | cbreak | two men go in, one man comes out? |
| 01:48.09 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: eh, a lot of the problem with independant voters is just a lack of funding for campaigning, getting their word out there. You'd -still- see a consolidation of candidates frmo the major parties, because they wouldn't want to compete amongst themselves. YOu'd either end up with primaries anyway, or a less democratic process. |
| 01:48.36 | NightHawkTheSane | so you'd likely end up with not THAT many more names on the ballot, and independents still being absurdly outspent |
| 01:48.56 | Lunessa | Two Men Enter! One Man Leaves! |
| 01:48.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ultimately, you need true voting methodology reform. EVs and winner-take-all systems are fundamentally flawed. |
| 01:49.11 | Corrodias | better idea: two men enter, nobody leaves |
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| 01:49.35 | Lunessa | Break a Deal, Face the Wheel! |
| 01:50.03 | vithos | they'd still have a tough time, but maybe they could even get more funding if they weren't up against the problem of people who want them to be elected voting for someone else because it makes sense game-theory-wise |
| 01:50.33 | cbreak | you could forbid any political advertizements |
| 01:50.52 | NightHawkTheSane | vithos: that goes along with methodology reform, and is part of the flaw of our current system :p |
| 01:51.00 | Lunessa | Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other forms we've tried. |
| 01:51.25 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: we could. but do you really think those laws would have a chance in hell of getting pushed through? :P |
| 01:51.25 | cbreak | you tried an other? :) |
| 01:51.32 | NeoTron | I say the president should be determined by a wheel of fortune game |
| 01:51.41 | Lunessa | And forbidding political speech is the same as forbidding all speech. |
| 01:51.52 | Lunessa | cbreak: Humanity has tried lots of them. |
| 01:52.00 | cbreak | I think in my country, the only type of political advertisement allowed are Newspaper and Billboard adds |
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| 01:52.10 | cbreak | not sure |
| 01:52.17 | NeoTron | cbreak: ftw |
| 01:52.34 | NeoTron | the negative aspect of US political ads just makes me shake my head in disgust |
| 01:52.49 | NeoTron | I am pretty sure such advertising is not allowed in Sweden |
| 01:52.53 | Lunessa | Meh, I'll bitterly cling to my religion, guns, and the enumerated powers doctrine. |
| 01:52.53 | Corrodias | there's another aspect? |
| 01:52.55 | cbreak | Lunessa: they can speak, just not advertise :) |
| 01:53.04 | NeoTron | Corrodias: not so much in the US |
| 01:53.07 | Corrodias | i cling to both atheism and guns |
| 01:53.12 | Corrodias | i'm a maverick |
| 01:53.29 | Lunessa | Corrodias: which is as much a religion as any other. :P |
| 01:53.30 | NeoTron | don't go all mavericky here now |
| 01:54.55 | Corrodias | they weren't kidding when they said the folding @ home GPU client on a recent NVIDIA card is a hell of a lot faster than the CPU clients |
| 01:55.31 | NightHawkTheSane | So, to change the subject. It seems like after a patch, or if you nuke your cache, GetCompanionInfo() does not return reliable data at PLAYER_LOGIN or even PEW. a /reload fixes this, but I'd like to be able to pull that data reliably on login. Any one have an idea? >.> |
| 01:55.52 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: call reloadui on login? ;-) |
| 01:55.59 | Xinhuan | Corrodias: ya that's because a nvidia card has 12-16 multiprocessors running in parallel |
| 01:56.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart NeoTron |
| 01:56.04 | purl | lowers NeoTron's priority |
| 01:56.09 | Xinhuan | each one running between 500-800 mhz core clock speed |
| 01:56.16 | Xinhuan | depending on whether you overclocked it or not |
| 01:56.18 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 01:56.24 | Xinhuan | each multiprocessor has 8 processors |
| 01:56.33 | Xinhuan | so up to 512 threads per multiprocessor |
| 01:56.54 | Corrodias | my single-code CPU client has processed about 35% of a work unit in 6 hours, and my GPU client has completed about 6 work units in that time |
| 01:57.26 | cbreak | what is the cpu time used by the gpu client? |
| 01:57.28 | Corrodias | maybe not... but the total number completed so far supports that. i'm having a hard time dealing with the UTC timestamps |
| 01:57.47 | bleeter | Cairenn: you're a socialist too! helping these other socialists give away their code. HAVE YOU NO SHAME?! |
| 01:57.51 | Corrodias | that hovers about 10%, but i have a dual-core CPU and the CPU client is limited to a single thread |
| 01:58.03 | Corrodias | so they do not interfere. |
| 01:58.03 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: we like to spread the code around. |
| 01:58.13 | bleeter | COMMIES! |
| 01:58.14 | Cairenn | that post pissed me off SO much, you just don't even want to f'ing go there |
| 01:58.23 | cbreak | anything against socialism bleeter? *grumble* |
| 01:58.42 | bleeter | Cairenn: oh, sorry... was unaware of any post. sorry if I trod on your toes :( |
| 01:58.49 | Corrodias | i like singulism. all wealth goes to me. |
| 01:58.51 | Cairenn | unless you are talking about something else, in which case disregard |
| 01:58.56 | Xinhuan | Corrodias, i did some programming on the nvidia cards before, its pretty cool |
| 01:59.09 | Xinhuan | to allow any programmer to use the cards to do general programming |
| 01:59.21 | bleeter | cbreak: the mainstream right wing party in astralia would probably be called hard core socialists by the US democratics folks ;) |
| 01:59.24 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 01:59.38 | Corrodias | australians are weird anyway |
| 01:59.48 | bleeter | I mean |
| 01:59.49 | bleeter | after all |
| 01:59.57 | bleeter | our major conservative party.. is.. The Liberals |
| 02:00.07 | NeoTron | US => England/Europe's religious outcasts, AU => England's criminals |
| 02:00.26 | bleeter | s/england/uk/ |
| 02:00.34 | p3lim | routes optomizes itself as im running around, that I like alot |
| 02:00.56 | Cairenn | danke |
| 02:01.07 | NeoTron | routes is nice but not quite as useful as desirable in some places |
| 02:01.12 | NeoTron | it's especially comical in STV |
| 02:01.38 | p3lim | :p |
| 02:01.45 | Xinhuan | [10:01:30] [2. Trade] [Goretech]: Whats the difference between Obama and Osama? just a little BS! |
| 02:01.47 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 02:01.54 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:02.25 | p3lim | it requires alot of customization in Azeroth zones with mountains etc. But I can see it beeing perfect for flyable zones |
| 02:02.32 | mikma | cairenn: thanks for raising our interest. what post? |
| 02:02.35 | Corrodias | okay, that is clever |
| 02:02.41 | Xinhuan | p3lim: it was designed primarily for flying zones |
| 02:02.45 | p3lim | yeah |
| 02:02.48 | Xinhuan | taboo regions were later added as an afterthought |
| 02:02.56 | alestane | Can one prompt Routes to check gatherer for new nodes of the kind on a particular route, or does one delete/recreate the route? |
| 02:02.57 | p3lim | had to add taboos for shitloads of mountains in Searing Gorge |
| 02:03.07 | Xinhuan | but its still darn useful to taboo mountains such as that hand of Guldan in SMV |
| 02:03.11 | Xinhuan | or caves in nagrand |
| 02:03.25 | Xinhuan | or even the whole netherwing island |
| 02:03.29 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: or the netherwing area, which is too far out of place :P |
| 02:03.33 | p3lim | yeah |
| 02:03.47 | p3lim | like searing gorge, i had 14 taboos made for it just now |
| 02:03.58 | Xinhuan | heh 14? |
| 02:04.01 | p3lim | yap :p |
| 02:04.05 | Xinhuan | why that many? |
| 02:04.10 | NeoTron | but it's still useles sin STV because the map is so small and there are TONS of nodes :P |
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| 02:04.24 | p3lim | the whole mountain chain around, the pit + all the other un-reachable zones that routes would otherwise just run right over |
| 02:04.59 | p3lim | NeoTron: filter what flower youre going for :) |
| 02:05.10 | Xinhuan | someone with a lot of free time should contribute me a list of "default taboos" ;p |
| 02:05.12 | Lunessa | I'm going home folks. Enjoy your evening. |
| 02:05.29 | p3lim | id do it, but got a bit on my hands aswell |
| 02:09.25 | alestane | Xinhuan: Can I prompt Routes to recheck for new gatherer nodes that belong on a particular route? |
| 02:09.33 | p3lim | off to bed anyways |
| 02:09.41 | Xinhuan | no, you will need to recreate the route (and overwrite it) |
| 02:09.44 | Xinhuan | then reoptimize |
| 02:09.54 | Xinhuan | and re attach any taboos |
| 02:10.08 | Xinhuan | as it is, i'll recommend gathermate instead ;p |
| 02:10.23 | alestane | I know you say you can't auto-update without callbacks (and I don't dispute it), but a rescan option might be nice. |
| 02:10.42 | Xinhuan | i considered adding a button that "recreates the route" with the same nodes |
| 02:10.51 | Xinhuan | but the code to do it is really more hassle than its worth |
| 02:11.16 | alestane | GatherMate is an unrelated add-on? |
| 02:11.39 | Xinhuan | GatherMate is an addon kagaro/me wrote to replace Cartographer_<profs> and gatherer |
| 02:11.39 | Gnarfoz | GatherMate, Cartographer_Herbalism, Gatherer |
| 02:12.07 | alestane | Can it import my Gatherer or Cartographer data? |
| 02:12.16 | Xinhuan | it stored minimal data about nodes, and thus is much more CPU/memory friendly, and has a lot more options on how its displayed in your minimap |
| 02:12.17 | Gnarfoz | both |
| 02:12.19 | Gnarfoz | I think |
| 02:12.19 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 02:12.24 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, both |
| 02:12.26 | Xinhuan | there's a GatherMate_CartImport |
| 02:12.32 | Xinhuan | but no, i didnt' write a gatherer importer |
| 02:12.36 | mikma | alestane: ket Gathermate_data and you are done |
| 02:12.45 | NightHawkTheSane | there isn't? i thought you could.. |
| 02:12.46 | mikma | get* |
| 02:12.50 | Xinhuan | GatherMate_Data is a wowdb.com data scrape |
| 02:13.00 | Xinhuan | just import and delete ;p |
| 02:13.28 | alestane | Half the fun for me is building my map, so I don't go that way, but I'd like to keep my progress. |
| 02:13.49 | Xinhuan | basically we felt that we only needed to store the coords of a node |
| 02:13.57 | Xinhuan | we didn't need the source, the number of times seen, etc etc |
| 02:14.03 | Xinhuan | so its pretty minimal |
| 02:14.31 | Xinhuan | a full database of all nodes (herb/ore/gas/fish/treasure) only takes about 1.4 mb ram |
| 02:14.37 | mikma | cairenn: lol, seerah approves (tm) - http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19079 |
| 02:14.53 | Cairenn | yes, I saw |
| 02:15.44 | Xinhuan | gatherer comes with a HuD, which me/grum also wrote something similar for gathermate, called GatherHud |
| 02:15.57 | Seerah | are you dragging me into trouble, mikma? :P |
| 02:15.59 | Xinhuan | its super cpu-friendly and draws Routes in it as well :) |
| 02:16.13 | mikma | seerah: always |
| 02:17.09 | alestane | Does it share with people using the others, or only GatherMate? |
| 02:17.14 | mikma | seerah: ww.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7252-JooJanta200Super-ChromaticPerilSensitiveSunglasses.html see description |
| 02:17.47 | Seerah | you missed a w :p fail |
| 02:18.19 | Xinhuan | alestane: it doesn't share, unless you also install GatherMate_Sharing |
| 02:18.26 | mikma | awww |
| 02:18.31 | alestane | I saw GatherMate_Sharing. |
| 02:18.38 | Xinhuan | which just communicates among GatherMate_Sharing, when u find a herb |
| 02:18.38 | cbreak | maybe I should switch from cartographer to gatherer then. Cartographer uses a lot of cpu time |
| 02:18.50 | Xinhuan | GatherMate, not gatherer! |
| 02:19.04 | Xinhuan | gatherer uses more cpu than cartographer |
| 02:19.20 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 02:19.25 | Seerah | <3 mikma |
| 02:19.28 | mikma | seerah: no, it was a test to see how smart you are *cough* |
| 02:19.34 | Seerah | :P |
| 02:19.45 | mikma | obviously you are! |
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| 02:20.06 | Xinhuan | the most important feature of gathermate, is you have different colored circles per gathering type ;p |
| 02:20.33 | Xinhuan | there's even an addon somewhere called TrackSW |
| 02:20.51 | Xinhuan | that reads into gathermate data and auto switches between Find herbs/Ore as you fly around |
| 02:20.53 | Xinhuan | by itself |
| 02:21.05 | Xinhuan | just by checking your direction of flight, and seeing what nodes are "ahead of you" |
| 02:21.37 | cbreak | it has a minimap overlay I asume? :) |
| 02:22.02 | Xinhuan | minimap overlay? |
| 02:22.21 | cbreak | shows nodes on the minimap, not only world map |
| 02:22.31 | Xinhuan | you can show on both, either or none |
| 02:22.41 | linear` | can statusbars take a setvalue thats a decimal |
| 02:22.44 | linear` | or does it just round it |
| 02:22.59 | Xinhuan | and also show on "always" "never" or "only while tracking" |
| 02:23.08 | Xinhuan | or "only with profession" |
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| 02:23.31 | Xinhuan | there's a distance slider for how far the icons turn into circles as well ;p |
| 02:23.34 | bnovc | cbreak: want to help me some more? :D |
| 02:23.41 | cbreak | maybe |
| 02:23.44 | cbreak | question? :) |
| 02:24.06 | bnovc | cbreak: well ive been reading your code/docs online and trying to just draw one pixel and can't seem to do that correctly |
| 02:24.18 | bnovc | i dont understand why you even have a line.tga |
| 02:24.26 | cbreak | as texture |
| 02:24.33 | bnovc | but it is never seen? |
| 02:24.38 | cbreak | in an other addon, bartracker, I only use a one colored texture |
| 02:24.40 | bnovc | since you draw 1px lines |
| 02:24.52 | cbreak | that way I can only draw rectangles |
| 02:25.02 | cbreak | 1px width |
| 02:25.06 | cbreak | unlimited length |
| 02:25.20 | cbreak | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw11324.jpg |
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| 02:25.47 | cbreak | you should be able to see the corners in the lines |
| 02:25.56 | cbreak | that's where I use different textures |
| 02:26.13 | cbreak | I rotate the texture to produce lines that are not rectangular |
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| 02:26.22 | bnovc | hm i just dont see how the texture comes into play in your CreateLine though |
| 02:26.33 | bnovc | hm |
| 02:26.56 | bnovc | why isn't it just 1px/1px though? |
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| 02:27.15 | Xinhuan | because textures in wow have a minimum size |
| 02:27.31 | Xinhuan | the minimum is 8x8 |
| 02:27.32 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: that screenshot never ceases to produce a laugh for me ;D |
| 02:27.34 | cbreak | that's not the reason for me |
| 02:27.40 | cbreak | (I didn't notice that) |
| 02:27.47 | bnovc | http://pastebin.com/m6ff3101a is what i was trying |
| 02:27.49 | bnovc | based on your code |
| 02:27.50 | cbreak | I want a picture of a line |
| 02:27.59 | cbreak | so that I can use that line as I want |
| 02:28.14 | cbreak | if I would just use a solid color, I would only get a rotated rectangle |
| 02:29.32 | Xinhuan | believe cbreak, he knows what he is doing ;p |
| 02:29.40 | cbreak | if you want solid pixels, you don't need a texture |
| 02:29.45 | cbreak | Xinhuan: I hope so :) |
| 02:29.52 | Xinhuan | you can also look at the line drawing code in taxiframe.lua, or in the addon Routes (last 2 functions in the file) |
| 02:30.06 | bnovc | cbreak: ah... i don't huh |
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| 02:30.42 | cbreak | but creating an image from pixels is very expensive |
| 02:30.54 | bnovc | im just trying this out for the hell of it at the moment |
| 02:31.02 | cbreak | the first version of artpad used pixel. it used many megabytes of memory |
| 02:31.05 | bnovc | since ive never made an addon before i wanted to understand this |
| 02:31.24 | bnovc | perhaps i should just find the first version of artpad |
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| 02:32.12 | cbreak | it was ugly |
| 02:32.27 | cbreak | I used 4x4 pixels to save a bit of memory |
| 02:32.32 | cbreak | (one pixel was one texture) |
| 02:32.37 | bnovc | hm the oldest version on curse still uses a texture |
| 02:32.48 | bnovc | what functions would i look into to do that kind of drawing? |
| 02:33.06 | linear` | why does |
| 02:33.09 | linear` | this not make a smooth bar |
| 02:33.10 | linear` | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100717 |
| 02:33.12 | linear` | it's like so choppy |
| 02:33.22 | cbreak | you would just create a texture and resize it to be as big as you want |
| 02:33.29 | cbreak | and set a color instead of a texture |
| 02:33.42 | bnovc | create a texture but not use a tga? |
| 02:34.23 | cbreak | yes |
| 02:34.27 | cbreak | a texture object |
| 02:34.55 | bnovc | so like what i have except no SetTexture |
| 02:34.57 | cbreak | tex:SetTexture(color[1], color[2], color[3], color[4]); |
| 02:35.08 | cbreak | that sets a color instead of a bitmap |
| 02:35.32 | cbreak | you can only draw rectangles like that though |
| 02:35.37 | cbreak | axis aligned rectangles |
| 02:35.39 | bnovc | hm thats alright i guess |
| 02:36.15 | cbreak | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6412-BarTracker.html (that's what I use to draw those graphs) |
| 02:38.29 | bnovc | http://pastebin.com/m52813720 closer? |
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| 02:39.08 | cbreak | I think so. |
| 02:39.29 | Tekkub | WOO HOO I'M A PRICK! |
| 02:39.39 | Tekkub | I just reported <Phallopian Swim Team> |
| 02:39.44 | bnovc | that doesnt give anything at all on the screen but maybe i messed up something different |
| 02:39.50 | Tekkub | I probably wouldn't've had they SPELLED IT RIGHT |
| 02:39.55 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 02:40.10 | bleeter | Tekkub: heh, you do that too? report names for failing miserably at spelling ;) |
| 02:40.21 | bnovc | i do too :D |
| 02:40.26 | Tekkub | no I reported it for being "inappropriate" |
| 02:40.42 | Tekkub | but I wouldn't've even noticed had it been spelled right |
| 02:40.54 | Corrodias | your mom is inappropriate |
| 02:40.54 | bleeter | well, yeah.. of course that's what I say in my ticket too, officially. I usually mention the failure at spelling in my ticket though >< |
| 02:41.32 | bnovc | cbreak: what i had originally sort of worked..if i set the width/height higher i could see something but not with the new version.... calling your CreateLine with x,y,x,y works as well basically |
| 02:42.44 | cbreak | make it bigger :) |
| 02:42.49 | cbreak | a pixel is quite tiny |
| 02:42.54 | Tekkub | yea I mentioned the failure :) |
| 02:42.55 | bnovc | i looked in photoshop for it |
| 02:43.06 | cbreak | also, check if your point is anchored correctly |
| 02:43.24 | bnovc | could you elaborate on what that means please |
| 02:44.52 | cbreak | which x and y do you use? |
| 02:45.19 | cbreak | I think you should use something like 10, -10 |
| 02:46.04 | bnovc | i was using 1,3,5,7,9 for x and the height of the frame-5 for y |
| 02:46.14 | bnovc | regardless of what i put it doesnt seem to help |
| 02:46.36 | cbreak | you are using bottomleft |
| 02:46.44 | cbreak | I am not sure if I remember correctly |
| 02:46.50 | cbreak | but you should use a negative value in y |
| 02:47.01 | bnovc | using the frame height worked w/your createline function |
| 02:47.04 | cbreak | positive values will go downwards, outside of your frame |
| 02:47.10 | bnovc | think its the other way |
| 02:47.13 | bnovc | up is + |
| 02:47.39 | cbreak | interesting. |
| 02:48.31 | cbreak | hmm... wait |
| 02:48.43 | cbreak | SetTexture has two modes |
| 02:48.52 | cbreak | if you want to use the color mode, you have to pass four numbers |
| 02:49.20 | cbreak | (or three) |
| 02:50.06 | bnovc | i passed 4 |
| 02:50.22 | cbreak | pix:SetTexture(brushColor); |
| 02:50.24 | cbreak | you pass one |
| 02:50.32 | cbreak | probably not even a number |
| 02:50.41 | bnovc | http://pastebin.com/m2137cbab |
| 02:50.44 | bnovc | thats what i tried right now |
| 02:51.04 | bnovc | i thought i could pass it that way |
| 02:51.09 | cbreak | I don't think so |
| 02:51.23 | cbreak | you have to use unpack() or unpack it like I did |
| 02:51.29 | bnovc | ok ill try that |
| 02:52.23 | bnovc | ah that got me somewhere |
| 02:52.42 | bnovc | it drew a large square of turquoise so thats a good start |
| 02:52.55 | cbreak | should only be 5 by 5 |
| 02:53.09 | bnovc | well by large i meant 5x5 :D but it only draw one and i didnt put 0,255,255 anywhere |
| 02:53.13 | bnovc | but i can probably it out from here |
| 02:53.18 | bnovc | i really appreciate your help :) |
| 02:53.25 | cbreak | what was the color you used? |
| 02:53.35 | bnovc | the 5 in the last past |
| 02:53.37 | bnovc | red/green/blue |
| 02:53.44 | cbreak | you know that colors are ]0,1[ |
| 02:53.52 | cbreak | I mean [0,1] |
| 02:54.05 | cbreak | so 1,0,0,1 means pure red |
| 02:54.05 | bnovc | yep |
| 02:54.12 | bnovc | indeed, i did that |
| 02:54.19 | cbreak | 0,1,2,3 means cyan |
| 02:54.33 | cbreak | (I think :) |
| 02:54.41 | bnovc | i was getting 0,1,1 |
| 02:54.56 | bnovc | i got one dot drawing succesfully now though |
| 02:55.20 | cbreak | well, again, don't create too many textures |
| 02:55.34 | cbreak | once you create them, they use up memory until you log out or /console reloadui |
| 02:55.41 | bnovc | can't you set them to nil? |
| 02:55.43 | cbreak | unlike tables they don't get gced |
| 02:56.00 | cbreak | that's why I recycle them in artpad and bartracker |
| 02:57.24 | bnovc | well http://pastebin.com/m781a4033 does that first call correctly |
| 02:58.45 | cbreak | you use green as blue |
| 02:59.00 | bnovc | oh, true, i do |
| 02:59.03 | bnovc | but i still only get 1 point a |
| 02:59.05 | bnovc | *1 point |
| 02:59.44 | cbreak | you draw all at 0,0 |
| 02:59.46 | Lopeppeppy | Night night, happy people. |
| 02:59.54 | cbreak | pix:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", this.mainFrame, "TOPLEFT", 0, 0); |
| 02:59.57 | cbreak | you don't use x, y |
| 02:59.59 | cbreak | night Lopeppeppy |
| 03:00.25 | bnovc | i tried it both ways |
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| 03:00.32 | bnovc | i tried: pix:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", this.mainFrame, "TOPLEFT", x, y) also |
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| 03:01.26 | cbreak | well, if you use 0,0, you can't ever expect to get more than one point :) |
| 03:02.26 | bnovc | im not that clear on how that coordinate works |
| 03:02.44 | bnovc | oh nevermind |
| 03:02.46 | bnovc | dur |
| 03:02.54 | cbreak | the first anchor is on the frame, then the frame the coordinates are relative to |
| 03:02.56 | bnovc | i thought i had specified the coordinates earlier on |
| 03:03.02 | bnovc | i see |
| 03:03.04 | cbreak | then the anchor of the frame they are relative to, and then the offset |
| 03:03.11 | cbreak | I think :) |
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| 03:08.00 | bnovc | ah-hah, it was drawing them off the screen |
| 03:08.53 | cbreak | because you switched to TOP instead of BOTTOM |
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| 03:11.17 | bnovc | cbreak: yep :D thanks its all working now |
| 03:11.26 | cbreak | excellent :) |
| 03:11.29 | cbreak | what will you draw? |
| 03:11.57 | bleeter | lol 'all we need is 9 votes on the supreme court, and we could pull this thing off' |
| 03:12.05 | bleeter | bah, mt |
| 03:12.41 | cbreak | according to CNN, McCain and Obama are really close together in votes |
| 03:12.54 | cbreak | but Obama is far ahead in those electorate votes |
| 03:12.57 | bleeter | cbreak: check 'all we need is 9 votes on the supreme court, and we could pull this thing off' |
| 03:13.00 | bleeter | bah |
| 03:13.13 | bleeter | cbreak: check the 'network' tab on http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/dashboard.html |
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| 03:25.06 | WobWork | so, what's a good site to see an overview of how the election is going? |
| 03:25.19 | AbsoRayne | cnn.com |
| 03:25.21 | AbsoRayne | imo |
| 03:26.28 | WobWork | hm, so the Dems have the senate |
| 03:26.33 | ScytheBlade1 | It's more or less already over |
| 03:26.41 | Corrodias | http://www.electoral-vote.com/ |
| 03:27.18 | Cairenn | I've been watching this one: http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/ |
| 03:27.26 | Codayus | I believe when Fox called PA and OH for Obama a while back that meant the presidential race was effectivly over. |
| 03:27.32 | bleeter | WobWork: http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/dashboard.html is a reasonable representation of all networks and official results, imo |
| 03:27.38 | Corrodias | that page looks hilariously awful with javascript disabled |
| 03:28.22 | Corrodias | this one i like |
| 03:29.57 | WobWork | so Obiwan for president? |
| 03:31.50 | Corrodias | you don't need to look at those voting results |
| 03:31.57 | Corrodias | i am the candidate you are looking for |
| 03:33.24 | bleeter | WobWork: also, the ABC is doing a dual webscast type of thing with CNN, cutting back to their own reporters from time to time. You won't be able to watch CNN online from over here, I guess due to that. http://www.abc.net.au/streaming/abc-video2.asx |
| 03:34.36 | sacarasc | i got the bbc live news web thingy going on |
| 03:34.40 | Kaso | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/us_elections_2008/7700298.stm |
| 03:34.50 | bleeter | the bbc feed kept crapping out on me :/ |
| 03:34.59 | Kaso | BBC is very good imo cept John Bolton who's being a major twat tonight |
| 03:35.23 | bleeter | I thought he always was a twat.. I must've missed the memo ;) |
| 03:35.30 | sacarasc | hehe |
| 03:35.39 | Kaso | lol, well more of a major twat |
| 03:36.07 | bleeter | the BBC prolly said to themselves 'who's the biggest twat we can get on air for election night?' |
| 03:36.34 | WobWork | They need practice. |
| 03:36.36 | WobWork | For Eurovision |
| 03:36.41 | bleeter | haha |
| 03:36.41 | sacarasc | that's why dimblebee is presenting it? |
| 03:36.50 | bleeter | WobWork: don't you be dissing eurovision! :P |
| 03:37.21 | bleeter | sacarasc: nah, Dimblebee's part of the BBC furniture. Twat-ness doesn't enter into it. |
| 03:38.11 | bleeter | whoa! CNN's using a mackerras map! |
| 03:38.27 | WobWork | whut? |
| 03:38.42 | bleeter | heavily nerfed mackerras swing map, but a mackerras map nonetheless |
| 03:39.26 | bleeter | WobWork: Antony Green is only surpassed in psephology in .au by Malcolm Mackerras |
| 03:39.47 | bleeter | which says a lot about both men |
| 03:40.35 | bleeter | disapponting thing about the US broadcasts I've seen, they haven't used the psephology word in any form whatsoever ... one of my all time favourite words |
| 03:41.12 | WobWork | possibly because they can't pronounce it? |
| 03:41.54 | bleeter | well, ##australia's called it. 'Dinner for two for McCain tonight' |
| 03:42.30 | bnovc | cbreak: not sure what i'll draw :D |
| 03:42.58 | cbreak | what ever it will be, it will have lots of 90° angles |
| 03:44.16 | WobWork | bleeter: Ah, McCain, he's done it again! |
| 03:44.22 | bleeter | WobWork: hahahaha |
| 03:44.24 | bleeter | ehheheehe |
| 03:44.25 | bleeter | hahaha |
| 03:45.02 | WobWork | the proportional display is much more indicative of results |
| 03:45.06 | WobWork | than the geographical one |
| 03:45.47 | bnovc | you can't read data outside warcraft in an addon right? |
| 03:46.08 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 03:47.22 | bleeter | not 'legally' (aka, without warden attempting to detect you and permaban your account) |
| 03:47.45 | Gnarfoz | uh |
| 03:47.57 | Gnarfoz | the addon sandbox offers no way, anyway |
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| 03:48.04 | WobWork | waaaah |
| 03:48.04 | WobWork | Moonkin: Only single target spell critical strikes can trigger the mana gain from this talent. |
| 03:48.07 | WobWork | goddamnit =( |
| 03:48.12 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: oh, true. I misread. my bad. |
| 03:48.16 | bnovc | so you can't send data outside or read data in? |
| 03:48.20 | WobWork | I -liked- ending up with more mana than I started with when casting hurricane |
| 03:48.21 | Gnarfoz | neither |
| 03:48.24 | bnovc | like can't stream news into my game or anything |
| 03:48.37 | Gnarfoz | no communication in either direction, whatsoever ;) |
| 03:48.48 | WobWork | so unfair =( |
| 03:48.49 | kd3 | the outside world doesn't exist as far as mods are concerned |
| 03:48.56 | bnovc | why doesnt it allow data in? |
| 03:49.01 | kd3 | exploitable |
| 03:49.01 | Gnarfoz | botting? |
| 03:49.03 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 03:49.03 | kd3 | bot control |
| 03:49.10 | bnovc | you'd need data out as well for that |
| 03:49.13 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 03:49.25 | bnovc | how come? |
| 03:49.29 | WobWork | screen scraping |
| 03:49.32 | bnovc | ah |
| 03:49.33 | kd3 | dumb bots that work without knowing how much health/mana you have work well enough |
| 03:49.34 | Gnarfoz | either that |
| 03:49.37 | Gnarfoz | or |
| 03:49.44 | Gnarfoz | because there's no collision detection in wow |
| 03:49.48 | Gnarfoz | besides the environment ;) |
| 03:51.05 | bnovc | kd3: they still wouldn't know where mobs were and such though, i'd think |
| 03:51.44 | kd3 | and? there are plenty of mob-rich areas where I could perform somewhat decently blind and dumb |
| 03:51.56 | kd3 | s/dumb/deaf/ |
| 03:52.13 | bnovc | hah i like the s/ bot |
| 03:52.39 | bnovc | kd3: a lot of people would probably do that if they wouldn't die a lot/unable to loot/get reported etc |
| 03:52.49 | smcn | they reduced ooc procs on hurricane too ;( |
| 03:52.56 | bleeter | ~hug Cairenn |
| 03:52.56 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn tightly until Cairenn turns slightly blue |
| 03:52.58 | smcn | whoa scroll stuck ftl |
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| 03:54.16 | Gnarfoz | anyway, bots just read wow's memory space |
| 03:54.25 | bnovc | well, that is what warden monitors |
| 03:54.38 | Gnarfoz | certainly, but then, botting is bannable for a reason :p |
| 03:54.50 | bnovc | indeed |
| 03:55.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That's new. Trying to download flash, "your platform is not supported." |
| 03:55.44 | Krittick | hello, I have a question regarding an issue I've seen after updating my addons, and can't quite pinpoint it. |
| 03:55.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ... running Vista + IE |
| 03:55.56 | WobWork | so it's president Obama now? |
| 03:56.02 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: probably A Good Thing |
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| 03:56.07 | Krittick | I keep seeing this in my chatlog whenever I /who someons: Retrying who request for - XXXXXXX - Remaining Retries: 0 -- Any idea what's causing it? |
| 03:56.11 | ScytheBlade1 | WobWork: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3031/3003832987_ced5213173_o.png |
| 03:56.31 | WobWork | nice |
| 03:56.32 | bleeter | Krittick: sounds a bit like the wow realm's census addon |
| 03:56.56 | WobWork | ScytheBlade1: unless there's a terrible unexpected swing? =) |
| 03:57.11 | ScytheBlade1 | WobWork: 270 is what's needed to win, so, that'd be one incredible swing |
| 03:57.17 | bleeter | Krittick: basically, anything to do with your friend's list or guild list or similar, I'd disable, then slowly enable one by one |
| 03:57.24 | linear` | y is it so hard |
| 03:57.26 | cogwheel | Shirik-- |
| 03:57.27 | Krittick | would the curse updater have installed something like that without my knowing? |
| 03:57.30 | linear` | to get a statusbar to not be choppy |
| 03:57.31 | cogwheel | s/Shirik--/evening/ |
| 03:57.32 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: fail! |
| 03:57.33 | WobWork | an Act of God, I'd say |
| 03:57.39 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 03:57.41 | Llyarn | greets everyone! I want to have some thingy to track what quests my character has completed. Is there anything like that written or I should code it myself? |
| 03:57.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, fine fine |
| 03:57.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ~cogwheel++ |
| 03:58.34 | bleeter | Llyarn: you can only track quests as you complete them. Generally speaking, it's impossible to track ones you've already completed. One can play tricks and assume if you're well over level, and the NPC isn't giving the quest, you've completed it, but one can never be certain of that. |
| 03:59.16 | bleeter | Llyarn: having said that, I'm not aware of any singular standalone addons that do that tracking. That's not to say there aren't, just I dunno which ones >< |
| 03:59.25 | bleeter | I've never really gone looking |
| 03:59.26 | Gnarfoz | quests don't disappear with leveling up, though |
| 03:59.28 | kd3 | questHistory |
| 03:59.49 | Llyarn | bleeter: I’ve assumed that it’s a private info stored on server. And I’m fine with storing quests the moment I turn em to NPC |
| 03:59.55 | Gnarfoz | if an NPC doesn't offer a quest that doesn't have prerequisites, you've done that quest. :) |
| 04:00.10 | bleeter | yeah, was about to mention pre-reqs and the like :) |
| 04:00.17 | bleeter | mention/qualify with |
| 04:00.33 | kd3 | and I think just about everyone called obama's victory as the left coast closed |
| 04:01.11 | Cairenn | and there's the finals |
| 04:01.23 | Cairenn | 297 for obama |
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| 04:01.44 | bleeter | if it were an australian election, we'd be saying obama's waiting for McCain to concede |
| 04:01.44 | Cairenn | anything else after this point really doesn't matter |
| 04:02.05 | bleeter | CNN ticker saying he's won |
| 04:02.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Everything is |
| 04:02.12 | kd3 | as is nbc's |
| 04:02.21 | sacarasc | bbc has Obama as winning too |
| 04:02.35 | Cairenn | (2008-11-04 23:01:20) Cairenn: 297 for obama |
| 04:02.36 | Kaso | 297:145 |
| 04:02.39 | bleeter | been decades since any western country has had such an orator |
| 04:02.55 | Kaso | even fox has called it apparently |
| 04:03.03 | bleeter | i'd been beginnig to think oratory was a lost art |
| 04:03.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: the race has been over since they called OH for obama, anyway |
| 04:03.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Somewhat more importantly, we now have a black president |
| 04:03.44 | Codayus | Eh... *cough*Blair*cough* |
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| 04:04.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: in the grand scheme of this electoral cycle, i see that as a surprisingly unimportant footnote |
| 04:04.16 | Llyarn | kd3: thanks for this one! exactly what I needed :) |
| 04:04.26 | kd3 | np |
| 04:04.55 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: for the moment, sure. How that plays out in the long run, well, we shall see |
| 04:06.13 | Codayus | Having one is meaninglyess, IMHO. Making it clear that the US *can* have one is indeed important. |
| 04:06.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 04:06.42 | Krittick | holy god I am so happy |
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| 04:09.53 | Codayus | (Same went for Kennedy back in the day. Nowadays it seems bizarre someone would even worry about it. That's the goal, really...) |
| 04:10.40 | Tem | omg! everyone hates catholics! |
| 04:11.43 | Gnarfoz | +1 |
| 04:12.06 | NightHawkTheSane | "King Co. had a foul up in counting ballots earlier today, and is way behind" dammit >< |
| 04:12.08 | Codayus | Tem: And the Irish. They can't even run a farm; you can't really expect one could run a country, do you? |
| 04:12.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm going to cry if rossi gets elected. |
| 04:12.54 | Codayus | Oh, I'm sure if they recount hard enough Rossi will lose... :-p |
| 04:13.09 | NightHawkTheSane | with luck :D |
| 04:13.15 | Tem | (Tem is catholic) |
| 04:13.38 | NightHawkTheSane | all kidding aside this race (WA-Gov) was within a thousand or so votes last time, between the same two candidates. >< |
| 04:13.41 | WobWork | hehe |
| 04:13.48 | WobWork | for a second I was thinking "Blair is black?!" |
| 04:13.49 | Gnarfoz | no, you're christian, not catholic :p |
| 04:13.58 | Cairenn | how do you know? |
| 04:14.01 | Gnarfoz | catholicism isn't a religion :X |
| 04:14.33 | Codayus | Gnarfoz: Nobody said it was... |
| 04:14.55 | Gnarfoz | I'm saying I couldn't care less which *church* someone was of :> |
| 04:15.15 | Gnarfoz | churches are the devil! |
| 04:15.20 | Codayus | Gnarfoz: That's not really relevent to the discussion... |
| 04:15.23 | Gnarfoz | (oh no, I didn't. :D) |
| 04:15.35 | Gnarfoz | there was a discussion? :( |
| 04:15.35 | Codayus | But that's okay, reading comprehension is ALWAYS optional on IRC. :-) |
| 04:16.46 | Gnarfoz | was kennedy a catholic and that was a first back then? or which point am I missing that makes me not notice the discussion you're referring to ^^ |
| 04:17.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: yes, that would be the point |
| 04:18.23 | Gnarfoz | ah, well, I didn't know that, nor did I know that was something anyone would care about in particular :D |
| 04:18.36 | NightHawkTheSane | these days it's not |
| 04:18.57 | Dewin | I have done my Civic Duty. |
| 04:19.10 | NightHawkTheSane | in 1961, however, it was something that mattered |
| 04:19.34 | Gnarfoz | Dewin: is that related to Honda somehow? ;p |
| 04:19.34 | Dewin | I voted for the next King of Stormwind... err I mean. |
| 04:19.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: please tell me you didn't vote for wrynn, that guy's a jerk. |
| 04:20.16 | Gnarfoz | who would you know, he's only been around for a couple of weeks now ;p |
| 04:20.18 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: Forget Wrynn, Llane for King |
| 04:20.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ~Dewin++ |
| 04:20.47 | Gnarfoz | huh? forget Wrynn, Llane [Wrynn] for King? |
| 04:20.52 | cogwheel | /leave trade has changed my life |
| 04:21.20 | cogwheel | I haven't stabbed my face in shattrath in days |
| 04:21.40 | Gnarfoz | I like stirring up trade |
| 04:21.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: presumably (former) king llane wrynn I vs current king varian wrynn |
| 04:21.53 | Dewin | I still want a global chat channel |
| 04:21.56 | Gnarfoz | but then, my server is a rp-pvp backwater that could need one or two other servers merged into it |
| 04:22.07 | Dewin | Gnarfoz: Yes. |
| 04:22.09 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: man, I was just nitpicking :P |
| 04:22.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: and i was nitpicking your nitpick. :D |
| 04:22.24 | Dewin | I'm reading The Last Guardian at the moment, so I'm reading all about King Llane, Medivh, Khadgar and Karazhan |
| 04:22.50 | Gnarfoz | I was not actually confused, NightHawkTheSane ;) |
| 04:23.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: so? like that'd stop me :D |
| 04:23.19 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 04:23.32 | ccox | I spend too much time in WoW to start reading novels about it |
| 04:24.10 | Gnarfoz | nonono |
| 04:24.17 | Gnarfoz | you mean you haven't spent enough time yet to do that |
| 04:24.18 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 04:24.29 | Dewin | ccox: $16 for four books was a good deal, and I bought the books to understand more lore for my RP toon. |
| 04:24.47 | Dewin | So far, none of the lore is at /all/ relevant to my toon but... |
| 04:24.59 | ccox | Sorry, I hold RP to be a step above furries and below D&D players |
| 04:25.12 | ccox | :-P |
| 04:25.23 | Dewin | It's really cool when you suddenly read about Karazhan and Moroes. |
| 04:26.04 | Gnarfoz | not like the books are newer than the game and thus written to fit it, not the other way around |
| 04:26.10 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 04:26.16 | Dewin | eh |
| 04:26.33 | Dewin | The 'about the author' for one of the books says "And yes, <author> plays World of Warcraft" |
| 04:27.03 | Dewin | It would not surprise me if Lord of the Clans is after WoW's first release, though Day of the Dragon is probably earlier. |
| 04:28.16 | Dewin | though so far the only characters I've seen in Kara are Moroes, Khadgar and Medivh... though there was an event that might have been Chess. |
| 04:28.26 | Dewin | oh, and Cook. |
| 04:28.46 | WobWork | hehe Caribou Barbie |
| 04:28.50 | WobWork | what a great nickname |
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| 04:37.24 | WobWork | lol: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1267 |
| 04:41.30 | ccox | QuestionableContent - my new favorite neurotic comic |
| 04:43.42 | Dashkal | ccox: QC is damn good, agreed |
| 04:43.58 | Guest7277 | I swear to god I live in a state surrounded by idiots |
| 04:44.06 | Guest7277 | and why am I a guest |
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| 04:44.51 | Shirik | Anyway, thank god Virginia went democratic |
| 04:44.57 | Shirik | I know it wouldn't have influenced the vote but still |
| 04:46.23 | Shirik | Now I shall go celebrate Obama's victory with some Starcraft |
| 04:47.22 | |Jelly| | I'm having a Victory Margarita currently! |
| 04:49.07 | Tem | did pastey asplode? |
| 04:49.26 | Gnarfoz | since this channel is normally reasonably intelligent |
| 04:49.39 | Gnarfoz | could someone tell me why people write asplode all the time? :D |
| 04:49.58 | |Jelly| | Because assplode could be considered a "bad word" |
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| 04:50.18 | Gnarfoz | it's neither less letters than the correct spelling, nor does the pronounciation sound like it would be spelled like that :\ |
| 04:50.39 | smcn | i think it's from strongbad or something? |
| 04:51.00 | |Jelly| | Sure. We'll go with that. |
| 04:51.04 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: it sounds funny when you say as-splode |
| 04:51.17 | |Jelly| | Why is it that just because someone is intelligent, you're supposed to not have any fun, if even in language? |
| 04:51.27 | |Jelly| | s/you're/they're/ |
| 04:52.01 | Dashkal | |Jelly|: I think you may have had it correct the first time |
| 04:52.06 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: well, I'd see how that's funny if it weren't for the fact that it's ex-plo-de not e-xplo-de ;X |
| 04:52.13 | |Jelly| | Either/Or IMO |
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| 04:52.54 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: I just gave my reason. I actually say it as as-splode when being funny |
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| 04:53.09 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I seriously see it so often that I think it's just another your/you're they're/their thing on the internet :X |
| 04:53.31 | |Jelly| | So continue thinking that; it doesn't change the fact that we will continue to find it lolable. <3 |
| 04:53.33 | Gnarfoz | i.e. people not speling gud. :> |
| 04:53.34 | Dashkal | I'm a bad example, though. I use internet memes in real world speech |
| 04:53.49 | Gnarfoz | rofl, he said lol!!1 |
| 04:54.04 | MentalPower | Tem: pastey be down |
| 04:54.11 | MentalPower | and so are our other sites |
| 04:54.13 | |Jelly| | We use "rofl" "lol" etc in this channel as well. |
| 04:54.17 | ccox | now if you say "rofl" verbally, we can have you committed |
| 04:54.47 | |Jelly| | What about "lol" |
| 04:54.49 | |Jelly| | ? |
| 04:55.01 | ccox | (does 2 to 1 electoral votes count as a "landslide"?) |
| 04:55.25 | WobWork | It's fairly landslidey |
| 04:55.42 | |Jelly| | "2 a: a great majority of votes for one side b: an overwhelming victory" |
| 04:55.46 | |Jelly| | So ... sure. |
| 04:56.55 | Tem | I don't think it counts as a landslide |
| 04:57.07 | Tem | because the actual vote totals aren't that far off |
| 04:58.06 | Dashkal | ccox: I do use rofl verbally. I say it as rolf-el |
| 04:58.17 | Dashkal | or rof-el |
| 04:58.32 | ccox | Dashkal: well, it's ok to use it sarcastically |
| 04:58.38 | Dashkal | ccox: then I'm safe :p |
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| 05:02.29 | ccox | "Save the economy, Save the world" |
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| 05:07.16 | malreth | GAZMIK FIZZWIDGET for presidents of Azeroth!!! YES WE CAN!!! |
| 05:08.11 | cogwheel | NO ME! (sorry... no way to get the same effect with "me" as "you"->"u") |
| 05:08.29 | ccox | The Arthas for president post was funnier |
| 05:08.30 | cogwheel | i gots 4 votes already! |
| 05:12.52 | WobWork | Is it terrible of me, that every time I saw the "YES WE CAN" slogan, I thought of Bob the Builder? |
| 05:15.26 | malreth | the prediction from fivethirtyeight.com is impressively accurate |
| 05:15.44 | ccox | Wow - McCain conceeded early |
| 05:15.56 | Gnarfoz | malreth: who'd have thought it :> |
| 05:15.58 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: are you really that surprised, though? |
| 05:15.59 | Cidan | Jesus |
| 05:16.00 | Cidan | Christ |
| 05:16.10 | Cidan | Listening to Obama speak makes me proud to be American |
| 05:16.13 | Cidan | like, I'm in tears. |
| 05:16.22 | Gnarfoz | crybaby :( |
| 05:16.26 | Cidan | That man knows how to speak. |
| 05:16.37 | ccox | truth, that |
| 05:16.42 | malreth | i'm surprised that he's on track to be 100% accurate depending on how NC goes |
| 05:16.48 | Cidan | Now he better not fuck it up, I swear. |
| 05:16.54 | malreth | i mean... 90% right |
| 05:16.59 | malreth | or 95% is great |
| 05:17.17 | smcn | in other news, thrall is awol? |
| 05:17.18 | malreth | but to have the final results match state for state what he predicted? |
| 05:17.31 | malreth | Cidan: and yes... fucking awesome speech |
| 05:17.49 | malreth | this is democracy in action |
| 05:17.58 | Cidan | *republic |
| 05:18.04 | malreth | whatever |
| 05:18.07 | Cidan | lol |
| 05:18.07 | Gnarfoz | lol "Sie sind im Begriff, eine der größten Reisen des Lebens anzutreten. Herzlichen Glückwunsch und viel Spaß", wird Bush zitiert. |
| 05:18.13 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, that's German >_< |
| 05:18.30 | malreth | ~x de en Sie sind im Begriff, eine der größten Reisen des Lebens anzutreten. Herzlichen Glückwunsch und viel Spaß", wird Bush zitiert |
| 05:18.47 | Cidan | what. |
| 05:18.49 | malreth | purl, well done |
| 05:18.52 | Gnarfoz | "You're about to embark on one the biggest journey's of youre life. Congratulations and have fun", Bush is being quoted. |
| 05:18.54 | Cidan | Wow purl. |
| 05:19.15 | Gnarfoz | ok, purl clearly beat my translation |
| 05:19.17 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 05:19.37 | Cidan | I love how my state actually went blue |
| 05:20.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: which state is that? |
| 05:20.17 | Cidan | VA |
| 05:20.29 | malreth | when VA was called, my jaw dropped |
| 05:20.32 | NightHawkTheSane | ah yes, one of a few that made it a -very- nice election :D |
| 05:20.33 | Cidan | Shirik: Did you vote in VA or FL? |
| 05:20.44 | Cidan | well, fairfax, where I am, is like, all blue. |
| 05:20.49 | Cidan | We're blue to the core. |
| 05:20.59 | smcn | my greatest joy is that the classic GOP scaremongering completely and utterly failed. secret muslim, rev. wright, ayers, acorn, socialist, none of it stuck |
| 05:21.02 | malreth | same with austin here in TX |
| 05:21.21 | ccox | smcn - but I'm ashamed that it did stick in many parts of our country |
| 05:21.35 | ccox | smcn - some places are still ruled by fear and ignorance |
| 05:21.44 | Cidan | Amen. |
| 05:21.46 | Cidan | Wait, shit. |
| 05:21.48 | Cidan | :x |
| 05:21.54 | Cidan | Anyway |
| 05:21.58 | smcn | the vote was enough of a mandate that it doesn't really matter imo. he won VA at least. |
| 05:22.00 | Cidan | Man, I'm hungry |
| 05:22.01 | malreth | RAmen |
| 05:22.07 | Cidan | Watching that shit takes it out of you. |
| 05:22.23 | kd3 | well now that we've actually got a black president... hopefully this'll start the road towards the point where race doesn't matter |
| 05:22.30 | smcn | malreth: fsm bless america |
| 05:22.50 | malreth | Dems are 3 short seats away from a fillibuster proof majority |
| 05:22.53 | Cidan | We'll see kd3. I'd like to also go down the path that sexual orientation doesn't matter. |
| 05:22.54 | malreth | in the senate |
| 05:22.59 | Cidan | malreth: Yeeepppp |
| 05:23.00 | Cidan | But |
| 05:23.04 | Cidan | that's bad, imo. |
| 05:23.21 | ccox | Cidan - yes, but that will be a long fight |
| 05:23.22 | Cidan | Even a minority should be able to have some sort of way to push back. |
| 05:23.23 | malreth | now... i'm pretty socialist... and highly liberal... and yeah, that scares me a little |
| 05:24.18 | malreth | if they take the 4 states that haven't been called yet, they'll have 61 seats... even scarier |
| 05:24.24 | Cidan | wow |
| 05:24.27 | Cidan | That's crazy. |
| 05:24.35 | Cidan | That's dangerous really. |
| 05:25.07 | malreth | 538.com calls it a "Lieberman-proof, fillibuster-proof majority" |
| 05:25.52 | malreth | oh... and awesomeness: http://www.patrickmoberg.com/november-4-2008.jpg |
| 05:26.18 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, i'd be skeptical of 'just' 61 dems to be truely filibuster proof |
| 05:26.27 | Cidan | hah |
| 05:27.00 | kd3 | meh. 61 isn't gonna be enough. enough dems have disagreed with the president/party before |
| 05:27.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 05:27.16 | malreth | so.. now i'm eager to see how prop 8 ends up in CA |
| 05:27.26 | NightHawkTheSane | unlike republicans, dems haven't gotten th e "vote as a solid block" thing down, yet |
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| 05:28.42 | Lolrng | hello |
| 05:28.59 | Lolrng | can someone help me with recognizing what font is used in this interface http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1269/wowscrnshot103008012744ze5.jpg |
| 05:29.07 | Lolrng | i need the one from unitplates |
| 05:29.21 | malreth | www.whatthefont.com |
| 05:29.56 | ccox | so far prop 8 seems to be winning (that's a bad thing) |
| 05:30.12 | Lolrng | oO nice malreth, gonna try it now, thx |
| 05:30.26 | malreth | ugh |
| 05:30.57 | Lolrng | site doesnt work :( |
| 05:31.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: ugh. dammit last i heard it was losing. /cry |
| 05:31.13 | kd3 | make sure you read the instructions |
| 05:31.26 | kd3 | and crop the image so you're only uploading the font you're curious about |
| 05:31.38 | Lolrng | idd, i'm stupid |
| 05:31.40 | Lolrng | gimme a sec |
| 05:32.02 | MentalPower | ccox: dammit |
| 05:32.24 | malreth | it's frikkin discrimination, that prop 8 |
| 05:32.33 | ccox | yeah - I'm really angry about the number of blatent lies the yes-on-8 folks ran |
| 05:32.59 | ccox | and yes, prop 8 is discrimiination, and by itself against the CA constituion - but it's being added TO the constitution |
| 05:33.27 | malreth | i forgot to put my buy orders in for today... i was kicking myself at the election party i was at when i remembered |
| 05:33.34 | Lolrng | thanks guys, amazing site ;) |
| 05:33.41 | malreth | i expect the stock market to SOAR tomorrow |
| 05:33.46 | ccox | though I would love to see the churches that supported prop8 lose their non-profit status |
| 05:34.59 | Hirsute | ccox: want it all you want, those churches are in the clear as far as tax code goes. |
| 05:35.08 | ccox | darn |
| 05:35.23 | malreth | you know what guys... |
| 05:35.26 | malreth | 4 years |
| 05:35.47 | malreth | 4 years of well-said speeches |
| 05:35.52 | Hirsute | Only 4? |
| 05:36.06 | malreth | he has to win again in 2012 |
| 05:36.10 | bleeter | 4 years of no accidental spliggae on the 'c' word |
| 05:36.16 | bleeter | er.. slippage |
| 05:36.17 | Gnarfoz | <ccox> and yes, prop 8 is discrimiination, and by itself against the CA constituion - but it's being added TO the constitution <-- wait, that excludes it from being discrimination? (whatever 'prop 8' is) |
| 05:36.27 | Hirsute | I know, but I prefer to be optimistic |
| 05:36.38 | malreth | i'm realist |
| 05:36.50 | Hirsute | Hehe. |
| 05:36.53 | ccox | Gnarfoz - it's an end run around the constitution, by adding the discrimination to the constitution |
| 05:36.58 | bleeter | gotta say, from a distance, McCain's speech was prolly the best I've heard from him. |
| 05:37.12 | malreth | the word on twitter seems to indicate that prop 8 will carry |
| 05:37.19 | Hirsute | I don't so much mind how stupid Bush sounded, if only he hadn't just been a Republican Party rubber-stamp. |
| 05:37.22 | malreth | so yeah, shit |
| 05:37.36 | Gnarfoz | ccox: uhm well, but, isn't there something *against* discrimination already in effect? |
| 05:37.43 | bleeter | even if prop 8 carries, there's gunna be a legal minefield for years afterwards |
| 05:37.53 | ccox | Gnarfoz: yes, the constitution was preventing it |
| 05:38.18 | Hirsute | Gnarfoz: A law was made, the CA Supreme court found the law to be unconstitutional, so a consitutional change was proposed. |
| 05:38.19 | Gnarfoz | so, again, why can you add something to a constitution that the constitution already says is bad? |
| 05:38.26 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 05:38.28 | Hirsute | Gnarfoz: It's called amending |
| 05:38.35 | Gnarfoz | that shouldn't even be possible :D |
| 05:38.38 | Gnarfoz | (imho) |
| 05:38.43 | Cidan | Yes it should be |
| 05:38.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: because if you change the constitution, it no longer says it's bad, now does it? |
| 05:38.44 | Cidan | People change |
| 05:38.46 | Cidan | Things change |
| 05:38.50 | Hirsute | Oh, no, it's quite necessary for constitutions to be amendable. |
| 05:38.50 | Cidan | The world changes |
| 05:38.51 | ccox | yep |
| 05:39.05 | Cidan | If constitutions didn't change, we'd all still be owning slaves |
| 05:39.06 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_amendment |
| 05:39.10 | Hirsute | If they weren't, we wouldn't have the bill of rights. |
| 05:39.13 | Gnarfoz | Cidan: you'd be |
| 05:39.41 | Cidan | Likely, since my family were slave owners, though not in the US. |
| 05:39.52 | Hirsute | The Vice-President would be the one who had the second most number of votes in the presidential elections, as opposed to someone selected by the presidential candidate himself. |
| 05:40.01 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I guess we're lucky we have some parts of our pseudo-constitution immutable. :) |
| 05:40.09 | malreth | what you mean to say, Gnarfoz, is that if we hold that all people hold certain in-alienable human rights, that we shouldn't even consider an amendment that is specifically discriminatory in nature |
| 05:40.14 | Cidan | Immutable only by will |
| 05:40.22 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 05:40.23 | Gnarfoz | no, immutable. |
| 05:40.36 | Hirsute | malreth: It depends on what you consider an inalienable right. |
| 05:40.41 | Hirsute | It's all about definitions. |
| 05:40.42 | Gnarfoz | malreth: yes, quite to the point |
| 05:40.49 | kd3 | and what if there's a referendum calling for the change of those "immutable" portions? |
| 05:41.09 | Gnarfoz | there can't be one. |
| 05:41.09 | Gnarfoz | the only way to change those parts of our pseudo-constitution is to abolish the constitution altogether |
| 05:41.15 | malreth | anyway.... logging. take care all |
| 05:41.28 | Gnarfoz | (those parts cover basic human rights and separation of powers, basically) |
| 05:41.34 | Hirsute | Gnarfoz: Who's is "our" |
| 05:41.37 | Gnarfoz | Germany |
| 05:41.59 | Hirsute | Ah, yes. Considering history, I can see why that would be the case. |
| 05:42.01 | Gnarfoz | after the constitution before this one was such a major fuckup, I guess they wanted to do it "right" ^^ |
| 05:42.42 | smcn | http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/black_man_given_nations |
| 05:43.07 | Gnarfoz | hehe, onion at it's best ^^ |
| 05:44.45 | kd3 | hm? wikipedia says there were major amendments to the Grundgesetz für die Bundesrepublik Deutschland as recently as '06 |
| 05:45.03 | Gnarfoz | <Gnarfoz> anyway, I guess we're lucky we have *some parts* of our pseudo-constitution immutable. :) |
| 05:45.08 | Gnarfoz | emphasis added |
| 05:45.43 | Tekkub | *yawn* |
| 05:45.46 | Gnarfoz | kd3: you want to look at "Ewigkeitsklausel" for specifics, if there's an en.wikipedia article about that |
| 05:46.08 | Gnarfoz | woot, there is |
| 05:46.12 | Gnarfoz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternity_clause |
| 05:46.55 | Gnarfoz | but then, the english article is rather short in comparison to the german one :D |
| 05:47.12 | Seerah | hey guys, how can I make my dropdown menu scrollable? (background: I'm being lazy and am inexperienced, so I'm using libsimpleoptions and not writing the dropdown from scratch) |
| 05:48.00 | End | I don't think you can with the blizz ones, but I don't know all of what libsimpleoptions provides |
| 05:48.58 | Gnarfoz | otherwise: Dewdrop |
| 05:49.26 | Seerah | yeah, it seems to use UIDropDownMenuTemplate |
| 05:50.15 | Seerah | I don't have to use Dewdrop ;) |
| 05:51.56 | Seerah | but it means that it has to be a custom-made dropdown then? |
| 05:53.31 | Hirsute | Gnarfoz: Hrmmm. The Eternity clause doesn't appear to exempt itself from amendment, at least not from that article. Is this correct? |
| 05:55.40 | Gnarfoz | Hirsute: yes, but then as I said, the english article is really basic. so far, no one has ever contested the clause, but if someone ever did, rulings would obviously go in the direction of "if it didn't protect itself from amendment, too, what good would it be? go away!" :p |
| 05:56.04 | WobWork | rofl |
| 05:56.08 | WobWork | audiosurf for $2.50 |
| 05:56.11 | MentalPower | Gnarfoz: what do those sections cover? |
| 05:56.23 | MentalPower | articles 1 and 20 |
| 05:56.31 | Gnarfoz | MentalPower: basic human rights, separation of powers, separation of the country into states |
| 05:56.40 | ccox | "Harness of Carnal Instinct no longer has bonus armor." |
| 05:56.48 | MentalPower | ah, so you really don't want to change those anyways |
| 05:56.51 | Gnarfoz | +some other oddities, I could look it up if you're interested |
| 05:56.58 | ccox | Cairenn: have you been selling stuff to Blizzard again? |
| 05:57.19 | Cairenn | I'll never tell *wink* |
| 05:57.23 | Gnarfoz | MentalPower: yeah, that's why it exists ^^ |
| 05:57.40 | ccox | that's ok, I still have pictures (and the bruises) |
| 05:57.47 | MentalPower | oh dear... |
| 05:58.01 | Cairenn | baby, you have only had but a taste .... |
| 05:58.29 | ccox | maybe once I heal I'll come back for the buffet |
| 06:00.02 | MentalPower | on another note, anyone here installed an ePO server? |
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| 06:04.12 | ccox | (interesting to look at the maps and see how voting correlates *highly* with population density) |
| 06:04.36 | linear` | is there some event that fires when an enemy player leaves the arena |
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| 06:13.52 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: that's nothing new, but it -is- interesting |
| 06:14.33 | ccox | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, or correlation of education with voting, or income, or ... |
| 06:14.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: i always like looking at the by-county maps for 2000 and 2004: http://electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Info/counties-2000-2004.html |
| 06:15.20 | ccox | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, it'll be similar this year |
| 06:15.28 | NightHawkTheSane | more blue. but yeah. ;) |
| 06:15.55 | NightHawkTheSane | thing is, it'll be similar "but more blue", every cycle, really. population is only going to go up, so population density is only going to go up |
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| 06:22.35 | Shirik | Cidan: I voted in VA |
| 06:22.47 | Shirik | Still legal residence in fairfax county |
| 06:23.07 | Shirik | But look at the map. We need to create a "North Virginia" and let everyone else do whatever they want |
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| 06:23.37 | NightHawkTheSane | There's a guild on my server called "SG One" |
| 06:23.42 | Tekkub | eeeehehehehehehe |
| 06:23.54 | Tekkub | I just got my GM for that guild name I reported like 3 hours ago |
| 06:23.56 | NightHawkTheSane | thats. kind of awesome. |
| 06:25.37 | Cidan | Shirik: You're not the first to say that, but, we can't; Southern Virginia would suffer a lot. |
| 06:25.49 | Shirik | they're making me suffer |
| 06:25.53 | Wobin | hm the exit polls by race are telling =P |
| 06:25.55 | Shirik | They can go suffer by themselves |
| 06:25.57 | Cidan | They would suffer way more. |
| 06:25.58 | Wobin | http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1 |
| 06:26.00 | Cidan | Way way more. |
| 06:26.26 | Shirik | anyway, I go to sleep now |
| 06:26.27 | Shirik | nights |
| 06:26.28 | Tekkub | and he's obviously a roleplayer, lawl |
| 06:26.48 | Tekkub | "I'm trying to reach Exalted with my Master..." |
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| 06:32.33 | Arrowmaster | i wish iriel or zoot was here |
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| 06:38.42 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 06:40.05 | Gnarfoz | McCain's concession speech is the only one I've ever heard/watched... it's pretty good? but earlier, people said it was his best to date, hmm. |
| 06:40.14 | Gnarfoz | gonna watch the other guy's speech afterwards^^ |
| 06:41.05 | Hirsute | Gnarfoz: He didn't give good speeches to day. |
| 06:41.12 | Hirsute | s/to day/to date/ |
| 06:41.13 | Gnarfoz | which one now? |
| 06:41.17 | Hirsute | McCain. |
| 06:41.19 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 06:41.20 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 06:41.25 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 06:41.27 | Hirsute | Generally not a good speaker. So today's passable speech was his best one. |
| 06:41.35 | Gnarfoz | heh I see |
| 06:41.52 | Gnarfoz | then I'm curious for Obama's speech now. *switches firefox tabs* |
| 06:41.57 | Hirsute | Only one he didn't come off sounding completely condescending in. |
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| 06:42.20 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, stupid internet humor: http://i34.tinypic.com/2n87qdl.jpg |
| 06:42.33 | Gnarfoz | hum, this one is only 3 minutes something and starts in the middle of it |
| 06:42.58 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: lol but you have to admit, they're fast. |
| 06:43.12 | ScytheBlade1 | That's so much win |
| 06:43.34 | sacarasc | i saw a version of that before the results were in |
| 06:44.30 | Gnarfoz | mehh |
| 06:44.42 | Gnarfoz | CNN has Obama's speech only in thousand small parts |
| 06:44.44 | Gnarfoz | damnit :X |
| 06:45.27 | Gnarfoz | can someone link me a full version of it? I don't really know my way around US news websites :D |
| 06:45.51 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/Speeches/Read.aspx?guid=6d126e21-5857-40c3-96e2-4f504e27e22c |
| 06:46.03 | Arrowmaster | if you get on rizon i could tell you where to get it |
| 06:46.09 | Arrowmaster | i saw it on an xdcc bot |
| 06:46.26 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: huh? Obama, not McCain ^^ and video :) |
| 06:46.33 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: can do, I think |
| 06:46.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 06:46.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Should be on his site |
| 06:47.07 | ScytheBlade1 | http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGxLhV |
| 06:47.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh boo |
| 06:47.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 06:48.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll show up on youtube soon enough I'm sure |
| 06:49.20 | smcn | xkcd is perfect |
| 06:49.26 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: already got it via Arrow :) |
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| 06:54.09 | Nom- | hurray for the democrats |
| 06:56.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: you're late, but thanks. |
| 06:57.35 | Cidan | Nom-: Thanks, =D |
| 06:59.52 | Nom- | Yeah, I know... timezones and all |
| 06:59.53 | Nom- | :P |
| 07:00.00 | Nom- | Historic times eh |
| 07:00.05 | bleeter | screw the democrats, hurray for the USA getting their shit together >< |
| 07:00.12 | bleeter | if only for one day :P |
| 07:00.49 | Nom- | To be fair, they were kind of stupid putting up McCain as the "other" candidate |
| 07:00.58 | Nom- | He never had a shot... far too ol |
| 07:00.59 | Nom- | *old |
| 07:01.36 | NightHawkTheSane | eh |
| 07:02.10 | NightHawkTheSane | McCain probably had better potential than other republican candidates, but that said "they" were the republican populace, so blame the people i guess? :p |
| 07:02.51 | bleeter | Nom-: he didn't have a fair shot the moment he said the economy was sound |
| 07:02.59 | bleeter | should've packed up and gone home right there |
| 07:04.25 | ccox | or when he put Palin on the ticket |
| 07:04.32 | ccox | or when he backed Bush policies |
| 07:05.03 | ccox | or when he gave up his integrity and went for typical attack ads |
| 07:13.14 | Nom- | Well, as was hilariously pointed out on Boston Legal the other night |
| 07:13.39 | Nom- | McCain is so old that there's a good chance he'll keel over and Palin will become president |
| 07:13.51 | Nom- | If they got in that is |
| 07:13.54 | Nom- | :) |
| 07:14.37 | ccox | guess that prospect scared enough people :-) |
| 07:15.20 | Nom- | actually i found the age stats interesting |
| 07:15.39 | Nom- | the older the person, the more likely they would vote replican |
| 07:15.44 | Nom- | republican |
| 07:16.08 | Nom- | 65+ is 53% republican apparently |
| 07:16.21 | Nom- | 18-29 is 66% democrat |
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| 07:22.25 | |pez| | Congrats to the US. Hopefully Obama will be able to fix some of the wrongs that's been done the last 8 years. |
| 07:25.56 | Gnarfoz | <Hirsute> Generally not a good speaker. So today's passable speech was his best one. <-- damn after watching Obama's speech I don't see how I could've said what I said about McCain's speech ;D |
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| 07:35.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: obama is one of the best speakers i;ve seen in a while |
| 07:35.55 | Gnarfoz | I can certainly subscribe to that |
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| 07:39.45 | Lothaer | so whats new guys? |
| 07:41.31 | Grine | obama won |
| 07:42.23 | krka | I can't be bothered to keep up with elections in every little country in the world! |
| 07:44.18 | Lothaer | Grine |
| 07:44.20 | Lothaer | u serious? |
| 07:45.27 | NightHawkTheSane | he is indeed. |
| 07:46.04 | Lothaer | hes winning or has won? |
| 07:46.09 | |pez| | has won. |
| 07:46.09 | NightHawkTheSane | has one. |
| 07:46.11 | NightHawkTheSane | by a lot. |
| 07:46.20 | Lothaer | nothing on google |
| 07:46.28 | |pez| | google aint that fast. :P |
| 07:46.41 | NightHawkTheSane | http://maps.google.com/help/maps/elections/#2008_election |
| 07:46.41 | Lothaer | got a link? |
| 07:46.52 | NightHawkTheSane | google has up-to-the-minute coverage. |
| 07:46.54 | NightHawkTheSane | nothing my ass. |
| 07:47.24 | Lothaer | i googled Obama wins |
| 07:47.28 | NightHawkTheSane | besides that, are you really so incapable that you can't look up ANY major news organization's website? |
| 07:47.41 | Lothaer | and its just speculation stuff |
| 07:47.52 | Arrowmaster | google doesnt update its search database instantly |
| 07:47.53 | NightHawkTheSane | it hasn't been speculation for about 5 hours now |
| 07:48.05 | Lothaer | <----- lives in Australia |
| 07:48.08 | Arrowmaster | if you looked at google news instead of searching you would have gotten better results |
| 07:48.12 | NightHawkTheSane | seriously, a modicum of common sense goes far |
| 07:48.28 | Arrowmaster | news.google.com |
| 07:49.05 | Lothaer | yeah im there now |
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| 07:49.33 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 07:49.40 | Gnarfoz | I watched Obama's 2004 speech to the DNC |
| 07:49.55 | Gnarfoz | it's basically not much less awesome than his speech today was |
| 07:52.10 | Lothaer | so now the vote of maccain crap will stop :D |
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| 08:29.40 | Dewin | Does anybody know of a fix to the fact that *several* parts of my UI, including multiple different addons, are having framelevel drawing issues? |
| 08:30.28 | Dewin | Right now I'm having to /dtframestack and manually adjust the framelevel of frames -- which is getting tedious. |
| 08:34.02 | krka | hm, is there an addon that creates a dropdown of all special frames? (character frame, spellbook, social frame, et.c.) |
| 08:36.26 | Dewin | Not a bad idea, you should write it ;) |
| 08:38.09 | duaiwe | must.. watch.. more.. bsg... |
| 08:38.24 | krka | basically i want to use C and P and O for more useful purposes, such as casting spells |
| 08:38.36 | krka | but i still want to reach my character frame semi-easily |
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| 08:38.57 | NightHawkTheSane | could always resize/position the button bar somewhere convenient |
| 08:39.30 | krka | ah right, button bar is what it's called... i could search for button bar replacements |
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| 08:40.18 | Dewin | krka: Why not just change the keybindings of the frame? |
| 08:41.17 | krka | i dont need a keybinding for it, i just want to get it from a dropdown or something |
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| 08:45.09 | krka | ah, this does what i want, i think: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8656-LonnyMicroMenuFuformerLonnySimpleMicroMenuFu.html |
| 08:45.40 | NightHawkTheSane | I think it needs a longer title |
| 08:45.47 | krka | =) |
| 08:47.43 | NightHawkTheSane | *sigh*, 1443 casts from 1-350 fishing. >< |
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| 09:04.44 | ReAn | i miss the auto-fishing mods |
| 09:04.51 | ReAn | was kinda cheating but omg |
| 09:04.56 | ReAn | w/ a profession like fishing.... |
| 09:05.51 | Arrowmaster | you mean hacks? |
| 09:05.56 | Arrowmaster | or actual mods? |
| 09:06.08 | ReAn | actual mods |
| 09:06.11 | ReAn | like |
| 09:06.11 | Tekkub | *sigh* |
| 09:06.13 | ReAn | waaaaaaaaaay back |
| 09:06.18 | Arrowmaster | they still work |
| 09:06.18 | Tekkub | someone take google away from my |
| 09:06.20 | Tekkub | *me |
| 09:06.27 | ReAn | auto fishing mods? |
| 09:06.27 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> downtown seattle is apparently inundated with people. |
| 09:06.41 | Tekkub | I think this is the first time I've ever wanted to drink just to forget shit |
| 09:06.44 | Arrowmaster | anything a mod could do before with fishing it still can |
| 09:06.52 | Tekkub | and that is why I fucking hate politics |
| 09:06.55 | zenzio | right-click the bobber? |
| 09:14.16 | Tekkub | yea fuck dis, I'm going to bed |
| 09:14.28 | Tekkub | I'm sure I'm going to have to hear all about it from my mother tomorrow |
| 09:14.54 | Kalroth | nn Tekkubbie! |
| 09:15.08 | Tekkub | *mumble* |
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| 10:23.47 | cherieann | anychance anybody is alive to help a newbie out? :) |
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| 10:24.54 | [dRaCo] | ~asktoask |
| 10:24.55 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 10:24.59 | [dRaCo] | :) |
| 10:26.19 | krka | ask your question directly as detailed as possible, someone might answer it |
| 10:31.00 | Kalroth | We're your local LUA experts! |
| 10:31.03 | Kalroth | :P |
| 10:31.07 | ReAn | cherieann: What is your question? |
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| 10:33.31 | cherieann | how hard is it to make an addon to find the event 'staticpopup1' and just hit yes :p not even sure where to start on it |
| 10:35.11 | [dRaCo] | that one doesn't even take an addon |
| 10:35.18 | [dRaCo] | you can script that |
| 10:35.36 | [dRaCo] | if it's about poisons or shaman weapon imbues |
| 10:35.49 | [dRaCo] | probably works for sharpening stones, too |
| 10:36.15 | durcyn | yeah, works for any tench overwrite, just add /click StaticPopup1Button1 in your macro |
| 10:37.09 | cherieann | yeah i know that works, been using that actually but i'm hoping to make one (out of lazyness yes :P) to just auto click it instead so i don't have to push that macro =) |
| 10:38.01 | [dRaCo] | ~lazyness |
| 10:38.10 | durcyn | if you want that level of automation, look at something like simpleselfrebuff. i wouldn't just click every static popup i saw. |
| 10:38.12 | [dRaCo] | uhm. |
| 10:38.43 | durcyn | unless you're hooking casting and comparing the spell name to a list, then clicking, but that's onerous |
| 10:38.50 | [dRaCo] | shouldn't just c&p typos :> |
| 10:39.07 | durcyn | purl: what is laziness? |
| 10:39.08 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 10:39.13 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 10:39.23 | [dRaCo] | that's what I've been looking for |
| 10:41.22 | cherieann | durcyn: thanks i'll check it out |
| 10:41.45 | [dRaCo] | btw, you have to click a button to apply the tench anyway, so why not just macro the click to that button, too? |
| 10:47.23 | durcyn | ssr does it on mousewheel scroll out of combat |
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| 11:15.22 | mikma | away |
| 11:15.27 | mikma | ouch |
| 11:20.06 | Tem | well this is fancy |
| 11:20.09 | Tem | it's 5 am |
| 11:20.12 | Tem | and I'm awake |
| 11:20.25 | Tem | but I've slept since 5 pm |
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| 11:40.54 | Adys | Um |
| 11:41.06 | Adys | How do I pull an older build of a repo with git? |
| 11:45.25 | cbreak | git checkout |
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| 11:55.03 | Tem | svn update -r=oldrevision |
| 11:55.03 | Tem | :( |
| 11:56.19 | mikma | *wink* *wink* check out the latest Mapster from wowace *wink*, it has some battlefieldminimap love in it ;) |
| 11:56.28 | Tem | http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2596/featureiu1.jpg |
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| 12:08.59 | Tem | now that the blizzard downloader is done hosing my connection, maybe I can stay connected here |
| 12:10.26 | Tem | :( |
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| 12:20.15 | tlund | Tem: new patch? or did you download the 3.0.2 one? |
| 12:20.35 | Tem | just the patch from yesterday |
| 12:21.00 | Tem | no access to my DK and my live guild is completely fail = little desire to play |
| 12:21.28 | Kalroth | aw |
| 12:22.23 | Kalroth | You should fire your guild and make a new one! |
| 12:22.55 | Tem | I do not want to lead 25 man raids |
| 12:24.09 | Kalroth | I bet you'd be good at it |
| 12:24.26 | Tem | no |
| 12:24.29 | Kalroth | "NO NO NO, HEALERS ARE DUMB. Lets go again, now with less healer suckage." |
| 12:24.35 | Tem | I'm too compassionate |
| 12:24.48 | Tem | I get pissed off when people suck for no reason |
| 12:24.51 | Tem | but I won't yell at them |
| 12:24.56 | Kalroth | Oh, that's bad |
| 12:24.58 | Kalroth | You need to yell |
| 12:25.00 | Tem | (which is sometimes needed) |
| 12:25.17 | Kalroth | We perform best when our RL has yelled at us for 5-10 mins |
| 12:25.49 | Kalroth | "NO KALROTH, TAUNTING BRUTALLUS ON THE ROGUES IS NOT HOW ITS SUPPOSED TO BE" |
| 12:25.53 | Kalroth | ":((" |
| 12:26.21 | Kalroth | (I've always wanted to do that, but I don't think I'd live" |
| 12:26.25 | Kalroth | )* |
| 12:28.18 | Tem | I tend to want to yell alot in 2 places |
| 12:28.18 | Tem | WHAT THE FUCK KILL YOUR GODDAMN GHOSTS WEVE BEEN HERE ENOUGH TIMES |
| 12:28.27 | Kalroth | hahaha |
| 12:28.39 | Tem | HI, SEE THAT LITTLE EYE THAT JUST WASTED OUR DEMONFORM TANK? YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO KILL IT, TYVM |
| 12:28.54 | Kalroth | The last time our RL yelled on Teron it was something like this; "NO <resto druid>, STOP HEARTHING, IT WONT WORK" |
| 12:29.21 | Tem | I just woke my neighbors with the bellowing laugh at that |
| 12:29.25 | zenzio | Kalroth: ouch |
| 12:30.02 | Kalroth | We got 2-3 players that you DONT want to see the ghost debuff on. We call them our personal enrage :p |
| 12:30.20 | Kalroth | Once they got it, we had 3-4 ghosts in the raid. Every. Single. Time. |
| 12:30.22 | zenzio | lol |
| 12:30.36 | Kalroth | Eventually our healers learned to heal through it. :P |
| 12:30.58 | mikma | the aggressive side of tem turns me on |
| 12:31.29 | Tem | I can heal through it now |
| 12:31.35 | zenzio | we had a paladin on trial in my guild; actually a former guildie of mine... I used to think he was okay, but either he ebayed or I just never noticed how much he sucked. We were in ZA, telling him how to act on the storm dude, and he just couldn't comprehend where he was supposed to be |
| 12:31.46 | zenzio | "Go to the hunter" *runs around aimlessly* |
| 12:32.01 | zenzio | after that, every applicant was asked if they knew what a hunter looked like |
| 12:32.23 | Kalroth | Our new favorite wipage is of course KJ. It's one of those fights where sleeping raiders just die. A lot. :) |
| 12:33.16 | zenzio | I can only imagine what going for the "The Immortal" achievement will be like for guilds with people with selective focus |
| 12:33.32 | Tem | I will never get The Immortal |
| 12:33.38 | Tem | because I cannot live through heigan |
| 12:33.47 | Tem | I just can't do it |
| 12:33.54 | Tem | I don't know what's wrong with me |
| 12:34.33 | zenzio | did anyone get that achievement on beta? |
| 12:34.42 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 12:34.46 | Kalroth | I loved Heigan |
| 12:34.55 | zenzio | I'm wondering whether you have to be present on every boss kill to get it, or how that works |
| 12:35.00 | Kalroth | On the first splash we lost all our druids + shamans |
| 12:35.01 | Tem | man, I cannot stay connected to live right now |
| 12:35.16 | mikma | for me to poop on! |
| 12:35.24 | Kalroth | Second splash we lost all our rogues and maybe a priest or two |
| 12:35.40 | Kalroth | then we finished the fight off with 15-20 people that didn't die |
| 12:36.08 | Kalroth | usually with holy priests smiting because our dps classes are dead |
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| 12:36.39 | cbreak | how does an ace addon register slash commands? |
| 12:37.41 | Elkano | via AceConsole |
| 12:38.12 | Elkano | http://www.wowace.com/projects/ace3/pages/getting-started/#w_using-ace-console-for-slash-commands |
| 12:38.49 | cbreak | so I guess PerformanceFu has no slash command :( |
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| 12:49.04 | wereHamster | OT: does anyone know if LittleBigPlanet is available through the PS3 online store or only in stores as a bluray disk? The europe release date is supposed to be today, but I don't see the game in the PS3 online store. |
| 12:50.20 | zenzio | I can't hear that name without thinking of the Little Big Adventure games |
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| 12:50.34 | zenzio | "Funfrock! I'm gonna take you out - and I don't mean for a pizza" |
| 12:52.05 | cbreak | looks like performance fu broke. |
| 12:53.05 | zenzio | "Performance? FU!" |
| 12:56.48 | cbreak | more exactly, Abacus-2.0 broke |
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| 13:02.41 | cbreak | maybe removing cartographer removed a never version of that library... |
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| 13:25.37 | ZorbaTHut | anyone know if there's an easy way to choose a second or third return value from a function inline? i.e. local _, x = SomeFunction() DoThingsWith(x), but on one line without the temporary |
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| 13:27.51 | Elkano | maybe select works |
| 13:30.20 | Tem | select works |
| 13:30.25 | Tem | but it's an extra function call |
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| 13:30.32 | Tem | so be wary |
| 13:31.45 | krka | don't optimize prematurely |
| 13:32.13 | Tem | agreed |
| 13:32.27 | ZorbaTHut | ah, select, that's what I couldn't find. thanks :) |
| 13:32.36 | krka | not sure why you'd use it in this case |
| 13:32.41 | krka | i think temporaries are easier to read |
| 13:32.48 | krka | you could even name them |
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| 13:33.02 | krka | like: local unitId, unitName, unitHealth = GetUnitData() |
| 13:33.08 | krka | even if you only want to use the health-part |
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| 13:33.28 | krka | it would make it easier to refactor in the future, or if blizzard changes their function api |
| 13:33.52 | ZorbaTHut | it's a single line of debug output. I'm not particularly worried about either. |
| 13:34.03 | ZorbaTHut | this way I can --comment it out more easily. |
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| 13:34.29 | zenzio | out of curiosity, why did you want to avoid temporaries then? |
| 13:34.45 | ZorbaTHut | temporaries makes it either two lines, or one rather nasty line with two "instructions" on it |
| 13:34.59 | ZorbaTHut | both of which are ugly and involve more typing. and, IMHO, make it less clear what's happening. |
| 13:35.00 | zenzio | despite what some may say, semi-colons can be your friend |
| 13:35.15 | zenzio | but whatever works for you :) |
| 13:35.29 | krka | "more typing" should never be your used as an argument for code strucutre |
| 13:35.36 | krka | -your |
| 13:35.51 | krka | i think it would be two rather clear and informative lines with temporaries |
| 13:37.15 | ZorbaTHut | krka, I find that extra lines of code can in some cases increase code complexity. I don't think introducing unnecessary temporaries for a single line of debug code makes things any easier to read. |
| 13:37.27 | ZorbaTHut | it would indeed be two rather clear and informative lines with temporaries, but it's one rather clear and informative line without. |
| 13:37.54 | krka | i would argue that you can't get it as clear with select |
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| 13:39.45 | ZorbaTHut | well, I disagree. I'd say that an extra temporary variable is substantial mental overhead - it's one more thing you have to track as extra program state. Without the state, it's cleaner. I suppose you could wrap those lines in do/end to restrict the scope of the temporary, but now it's even uglier |
| 13:40.39 | ZorbaTHut | all for the sake of a single select() |
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| 13:56.22 | Industrial | Does StreamRipper overwrite a song on disk if it already ripped it and it's buffered again, or will it just not write for a while? |
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| 14:05.01 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, sparkly people. |
| 14:05.07 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning non-sparkly people. |
| 14:05.14 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, fire hydrants. |
| 14:05.18 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, grass. |
| 14:05.43 | zenzio | my sixth sense is telling me you're in a good mood today? |
| 14:06.01 | Industrial | - Fixed the Blizzard Updater to allow copying from the patchnotes. |
| 14:06.03 | Lopeppeppy | Damn. If I wasn't before, that line surely put me in one. Wow. Thank you, zenzio. |
| 14:06.07 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:07.57 | zenzio | Industrial: yeah, I find it odd that it behaves like that |
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| 14:07.57 | Industrial | its like the thnig everyone wants to do every patch |
| 14:07.59 | Industrial | and talk about it |
| 14:08.06 | Industrial | and they have ignored it for 5 years so far |
| 14:08.09 | Industrial | >_< |
| 14:10.53 | Industrial | oh also, grats to all the us-ies \o/ |
| 14:15.42 | cbreak | the updater saves the patchnotes to patch.txt and patch.html |
| 14:16.17 | Lopeppeppy | Like anyone wants to bother with going to where it's conveniently saved! |
| 14:16.19 | Industrial | it doesnt say it does so, does it? |
| 14:16.21 | zenzio | yes, but there's no obvious reason to not allow copying straight from the patch notes |
| 14:16.23 | zenzio | *patcher |
| 14:16.55 | Industrial | (also, I didnt know there was a patch.txt) |
| 14:16.57 | Lopeppeppy | Sandbox stuff, I'm sure they never thought of it. |
| 14:18.01 | zenzio | it could be a matter of having to actually tell the component they use to display the notes that it's allowed to mark/copy text; I'm sure there's an explanation... it's just not an obvious one to me :) |
| 14:19.15 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure they made it save to a text file so they wouldn't have to monkey with it, because monkeying with it is just annoying enough to not want to bother. |
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| 14:26.08 | ZorbaTHut | it may just be that they fundamentally don't care enough |
| 14:26.14 | ZorbaTHut | I mean I doubt they're losing subscribers over that issue |
| 14:29.39 | Industrial | money! *evil look* |
| 14:32.21 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. |
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| 14:36.05 | Industrial | lua> local function new (c) return setmetatable(o, c) end |
| 14:36.05 | lua_bot | Industrial: No output |
| 14:36.07 | Industrial | er |
| 14:36.40 | Industrial | lua> new = function (c) return setmetatable(o, c) end A={} A.__index=A b=new A |
| 14:36.40 | lua_bot | Industrial: luabot:1: '=' expected near '<eof>' |
| 14:36.49 | Industrial | why cant I do that |
| 14:36.50 | Industrial | :P |
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| 14:37.14 | Industrial | if a function only has arguments you can omit the ()'s right? |
| 14:37.22 | Industrial | only has one argument* |
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| 14:39.30 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Shirik-dear. Is today better than yesterday? |
| 14:40.12 | cbreak | Industrial: for string or table arguments I think |
| 14:40.28 | cbreak | but if you use variable or number literal that won't work. I think |
| 14:41.07 | Industrial | its a table, cbreak :S |
| 14:41.26 | Industrial | oh only with func{} ofcourse :P |
| 14:41.31 | cbreak | myFuncThatTakesATable{a,b,c} |
| 14:41.52 | Industrial | bah it would looks so good :( |
| 14:41.55 | cbreak | but not myFunThatTakesATable MyTable |
| 14:42.00 | Industrial | new MyClass |
| 14:42.02 | Industrial | :3 |
| 14:42.15 | krka | it works with {} and "" and [[ ]] and '' |
| 14:42.18 | cbreak | there are a few class implementations on lua-users.org |
| 14:42.18 | Hjalte | Is there an addon that I can make me show the hidden cooldown for a spell? I know the hidden cooldown, so if I can just type it in, it'd be fine. |
| 14:42.37 | Industrial | I have seen them :) |
| 14:42.39 | cbreak | spells don't have hidden cooldowns |
| 14:42.47 | sylvanaar | eclipse |
| 14:42.50 | cbreak | you use them and they are casted |
| 14:43.08 | sylvanaar | that kind of thing? |
| 14:43.26 | Tem | Industrial, new "MyClass" |
| 14:43.44 | Tem | class "MyClass" { ... } for bonus points |
| 14:43.48 | Hjalte | cbreak: Eclipse has a hidden internal cooldown of 30 seconds. I'd like to track that :) |
| 14:43.55 | Industrial | Tem: leeeet ty |
| 14:44.03 | cbreak | so what happens if you cast eclipse? |
| 14:44.10 | sylvanaar | eclipse is a proc |
| 14:44.10 | cbreak | and the "hidden cooldown" is not ready? |
| 14:44.11 | Tem | extra bonus if you do class "MyClass" extends "BaseClass" { ... } |
| 14:44.21 | Industrial | heh |
| 14:44.25 | cbreak | he wanted spells |
| 14:44.28 | sylvanaar | i know |
| 14:44.34 | Industrial | tingly fingers \o/ *hackhack* |
| 14:45.05 | cbreak | maybe you could just start a countdown on combat log event |
| 14:45.49 | Hjalte | cbreak: Yep, you probably could just start a countdown on the combatlog event, but I haven't seen an addon do that yet. |
| 14:45.52 | sylvanaar | or you can just run a timer after the buff fades |
| 14:46.21 | Industrial | lua>a=function(x,y) print(x) end a 'poop' {} |
| 14:46.21 | lua_bot | Industrial: poop, luabot:1: attempt to call a nil value |
| 14:47.06 | cbreak | lua>a=function(x) print(x) end a 'test' |
| 14:47.06 | lua_bot | cbreak: test |
| 14:47.32 | Industrial | cbreak: see tem's example above. |
| 14:47.41 | cbreak | yes |
| 14:47.48 | cbreak | your first function has to return a function :) |
| 14:47.54 | Industrial | i thought of that but |
| 14:47.56 | Industrial | meh :\ |
| 14:47.57 | Industrial | k |
| 14:48.01 | Tem | Industrial, hmm? |
| 14:48.26 | Tem | class has to return a function that returns a function |
| 14:48.30 | Industrial | was wondering if you could do func 'a' 'b' 'c' |
| 14:48.31 | Industrial | yeah |
| 14:48.47 | Tem | and if the second function doesn't get a table, then it has to expect a call to extends |
| 14:48.54 | Tem | (or implements) |
| 14:48.57 | cbreak | lua>a=function(a) print(a) return function(t) for k,v in pairs(t) print(v) end end a 'test' { 'with a', 'table'} |
| 14:48.57 | lua_bot | cbreak: luabot:1: 'do' expected near 'print' |
| 14:49.03 | Tem | which has to return a function |
| 14:49.07 | cbreak | lua>a=function(a) print(a) return function(t) for k,v in pairs(t) do print(v) end end a 'test' { 'with a', 'table'} |
| 14:49.07 | lua_bot | cbreak: luabot:1: 'end' expected near 'a' |
| 14:49.23 | Tem | (if you're wondering, yes, I -have- done this already) |
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| 14:49.48 | cbreak | lua>a=function(a) print(a) return function(t) for k,v in pairs(t) do print(v) end end end a 'test' { 'with a', 'table'} |
| 14:49.49 | lua_bot | cbreak: test, with a, table |
| 14:49.53 | Industrial | .. pastey the code? :P |
| 14:49.54 | cbreak | so... :) |
| 14:50.21 | cbreak | needles to say that this is evil. |
| 14:50.33 | Tem | it's evil |
| 14:50.35 | Tem | but it's fun |
| 14:51.19 | malreth | i hope that Obama's inauguration speech starts with the line, "Pardon me while I whip this out..." followed by a white woman's scream. |
| 14:51.39 | cbreak | do you hate palin that much? |
| 14:51.46 | Tem | http://tardmrr.pastey.net/100766 |
| 14:51.57 | cbreak | I bet 1 in-game gold that obama will pardon bush for his crimes. |
| 14:52.03 | malreth | did i wake up today singing, "Ding dong, the witch is dead?" |
| 14:52.37 | Industrial | Tem: omg |
| 14:52.54 | malreth | i bet Obama shows nothing but praise for Bush on his exit from the white house |
| 14:53.27 | malreth | trying to vilify the Right as he enters office would be bad... very bad |
| 14:53.37 | cbreak | bush is not right |
| 14:53.43 | cbreak | bush is dumb |
| 14:53.45 | malreth | vilify is the wrong word... |
| 14:54.01 | Tem | malreth, vilifying the right would piss off all the people on the right who voted for him |
| 14:54.03 | Tem | myself included |
| 14:54.13 | malreth | ^^^ |
| 14:54.21 | malreth | qft |
| 14:54.39 | Tem | and trust me I'm looking for a reason not to vote for him again |
| 14:54.46 | Tem | so he doesn't have to piss me off much |
| 14:54.52 | malreth | and the next 4 years will be spent convincing the other 47% that didn't vote for him that he's the right person for the job |
| 14:55.01 | AbsoRayne | la la la |
| 14:55.11 | malreth | he's got a very fine line to walk |
| 14:55.17 | Tem | very |
| 14:55.35 | malreth | because yes, a lot of people are putting faith in him and faith is easy to break |
| 14:55.52 | AbsoRayne | morning all :) |
| 14:56.02 | cbreak | I stilll think you guys should have elected Kuchinic... :) |
| 14:56.14 | Tem | it as HARD not to click on the Ron Paul button |
| 14:56.17 | malreth | Good MORRRNING |
| 14:56.19 | Tem | s/as/was/ |
| 14:56.23 | AbsoRayne | malreth: You call that a punch?! |
| 14:56.38 | AbsoRayne | Ive seen 61 non elite mobs hit harder! |
| 14:56.42 | AbsoRayne | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.04 | AbsoRayne | Tem: :_; |
| 14:57.08 | Tem | okay, I got up at 5 am today |
| 14:57.30 | malreth | so prop 8 carried in CA? |
| 14:57.40 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 14:57.42 | Tem | which was prop 8? |
| 14:57.54 | malreth | the "we hate gays" prop |
| 14:57.56 | Tem | I can count the number of times since high school that I've gotten up before noon |
| 14:58.00 | Tem | so like |
| 14:58.02 | Tem | it's nap time |
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| 14:58.20 | Lopeppeppy | Bad monkey. *grin* |
| 14:58.26 | AbsoRayne | A nap sounds good |
| 14:58.29 | AbsoRayne | actually |
| 14:58.32 | malreth | three nights of insomnia in a row |
| 14:58.42 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.47 | malreth | but i think i'm getting used to it now |
| 14:58.51 | malreth | i feel fine this morning |
| 14:58.58 | malreth | i think i'm becoming a super human |
| 14:59.25 | malreth | i should father many children and we'll all have 20 hour work days in the near future |
| 14:59.27 | |pez| | you'll feel fine for a few days... and then it'll hit you in the head. |
| 14:59.42 | malreth | |pez|: want to have some super children? |
| 15:00.00 | |pez| | Children scare me. |
| 15:00.08 | malreth | super children even more so |
| 15:00.11 | cbreak | your mind will falter, your spirit will weaken. After some time, your performance will reach 0 |
| 15:00.22 | cbreak | and you will be insane, sleeping, or dead. |
| 15:00.38 | malreth | o_O |
| 15:00.43 | Lopeppeppy | I'm already insane. |
| 15:01.04 | malreth | but if you're insane, Lopeppeppy, how can you declare yourself insane? |
| 15:01.09 | |pez| | Oh, I like my newish doctor btw. I've had a couple of weeks of depression and mild angst (bad enough so I've avoided school though). And he was like "Do you need a note for that?" "yes pls" |
| 15:01.14 | |pez| | And it was a done deal. |
| 15:01.21 | malreth | i thought you said "jewish doctor" |
| 15:01.42 | |pez| | Nah |
| 15:01.43 | |pez| | new ish. |
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| 15:02.03 | malreth | |pez|: so, super children? pregnancy is only temporary. |
| 15:02.23 | |pez| | malreth: no thankyou. |
| 15:02.25 | malreth | it clears up |
| 15:02.54 | |pez| | clears up? |
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| 15:03.01 | Lopeppeppy | After 9 months. |
| 15:03.02 | malreth | with help |
| 15:03.40 | malreth | oh well... |
| 15:03.43 | |pez| | Do'h. |
| 15:03.51 | malreth | i still <3 u |pez| |
| 15:03.59 | malreth | even without super children |
| 15:04.11 | |pez| | I <3 u 2 malreth |
| 15:04.17 | malreth | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 15:04.21 | |pez| | even though you scare me with threats of super children |
| 15:04.41 | Lopeppeppy | Morning malreth |
| 15:05.17 | |pez| | congrats on the new president btw. When will he start his work? :P |
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| 15:05.24 | |Jelly| | ~hug Shirik |
| 15:05.24 | purl | ACTION hugs Shirik |
| 15:05.31 | |Jelly| | January! |
| 15:05.35 | Lopeppeppy | Morning Jelly. |
| 15:05.39 | malreth | He starts naming his chief of staff like... soon |
| 15:05.47 | |Jelly| | Good morning Peppy! |
| 15:05.54 | malreth | if he's smart, he'll name his secretary of treasury this week too |
| 15:06.06 | |pez| | Let's hope it's all good decent people. |
| 15:06.13 | malreth | but the official start date is Jan 20 |
| 15:06.16 | |pez| | Oh, i read something funny today. |
| 15:06.45 | malreth | |pez|: oh, they'll all be some sort of sons of bitches.... but hopefully they'll be smart people |
| 15:06.48 | |pez| | There was a couple that thought Obama was bad and horrible, because he'd make the US into a socialistic(?) country. |
| 15:07.08 | Shirik | oh, morning Lopeppeppy |
| 15:07.12 | Shirik | and no, not really |
| 15:07.21 | malreth | sometime in the last 60 years, "socialist" became a bad word here in USA |
| 15:07.23 | Shirik | At least I don't have anything going on, but I have a headache |
| 15:07.41 | |Jelly| | malreth is a commy! BURN HIM! |
| 15:07.44 | |pez| | malreth: the word is obviously misunderstood over there. |
| 15:07.48 | malreth | and it's been evoked in the past month especially as meaning something that it isn't |
| 15:07.54 | malreth | |pez|: yessss |
| 15:08.35 | malreth | my friend said something disparaging about socialists... and i turned to her and laid into her all the benefits of "those damn socialists" that she enjoys |
| 15:08.39 | malreth | like public schools |
| 15:09.11 | malreth | turns out she went to all private schooling from kindergarten to college |
| 15:09.28 | |pez| | Imo, it can be bottled down to the saying "one for all, and all for one". |
| 15:09.37 | |pez| | socialism(?) that is. |
| 15:09.46 | cbreak | public school, public roads, public infrastructure |
| 15:10.24 | malreth | hell, even 40 hour work weeks and sick leave are byproducts of the socialist movement-->populists of the early 20th century |
| 15:10.34 | cbreak | healthcare, police, education, research |
| 15:11.22 | Shirik | funny, malreth doesn't talk about the bad parts of this |
| 15:11.32 | |Jelly| | You're all a bunch of commies! DIRTY COMMIES! /sarcasm |
| 15:11.41 | malreth | the bad part of socialism is the same thing that exists in the bad part of capitalism |
| 15:11.45 | malreth | greed |
| 15:11.49 | malreth | it's a universal trait |
| 15:11.53 | Shirik | sure |
| 15:12.00 | malreth | so moot |
| 15:12.00 | Lopeppeppy | I need a name for a draeni shadow priestess... go! |
| 15:12.07 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: Ieva |
| 15:12.12 | Shirik | but in socialism you don't have to do a thing |
| 15:12.42 | Shirik | that was worded poorly actually |
| 15:12.42 | |pez| | Shirik: ooorly? |
| 15:12.52 | malreth | Shirik: yes... i don't have to do a thing, and police will still serve and protect me because i am a citizen |
| 15:12.56 | malreth | and if i stop working |
| 15:13.03 | malreth | and i stop paying taxes |
| 15:13.11 | Shirik | If I am to do something, what is convincing me to do it of high quality? |
| 15:13.13 | malreth | and everyone else does too... |
| 15:13.19 | Shirik | Competition no longer exists |
| 15:13.23 | malreth | then we have no infrastructure |
| 15:13.32 | Shirik | capitalism forces high quality or there will be a drop in profits |
| 15:13.35 | Tem | http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2596/featureiu1.jpg |
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| 15:13.39 | Shirik | capitalism BENEFITS from greed |
| 15:13.44 | Shirik | socialism suffers from it |
| 15:13.54 | malreth | Shirik: the flaw in your argument is that you assume a false dichotomy |
| 15:13.57 | Shirik | and since greed is human nature |
| 15:13.59 | cbreak | capitalism doesn't work |
| 15:14.09 | cbreak | it sucks out profit until the system fails |
| 15:14.15 | cbreak | we've seen it in the last few months |
| 15:14.15 | |pez| | I... feel I shouldn't have brought this up. |
| 15:14.18 | Shirik | malreth: ? |
| 15:14.31 | malreth | pure socialism doesn't work |
| 15:14.32 | batrick | TOPIC IS NOW ABOUT PANCAKES |
| 15:14.37 | cbreak | Lopeppeppy: "Shade", "Darkside", "MissEvil" |
| 15:14.40 | malreth | and pure capitalism doesn't work |
| 15:14.40 | batrick | you communists |
| 15:14.45 | cbreak | pure things rarely work |
| 15:14.53 | malreth | because greed is the enemy of capitalism, too |
| 15:14.55 | |pez| | Let's all agree to disagree, and hope for the best for your country. |
| 15:15.19 | malreth | the last month of hooha is example of that |
| 15:15.20 | |pez| | And let the politicians take care of the rest inbetween voting. |
| 15:15.28 | cbreak | Try using pure silicium for CPUs. Pure water as refreshment :) |
| 15:15.44 | cbreak | pez, you sound like an american :) |
| 15:15.46 | malreth | |pez|: i would say, let's be happy about who we elect, but not rely on them to fix the country |
| 15:15.51 | malreth | we fix the country |
| 15:16.24 | malreth | that way we can continue to take pride in this great place that we live |
| 15:16.29 | malreth | and this wonderful world |
| 15:17.25 | malreth | i'm being rather unlike myself |
| 15:17.45 | malreth | there |
| 15:18.15 | malreth | do you work out, Shirik? |
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| 15:18.35 | |pez| | cbreak: I'd probably demonstrate or something if there was something horribly stupid going on. |
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| 15:18.55 | |pez| | But there's rarely much I can actually do, unless I become a policitian. |
| 15:19.06 | malreth | nonsense |
| 15:19.11 | cbreak | I don't know much of the american political system, but it seems it relies on delegating decisions to other people |
| 15:19.34 | cbreak | this is not neccessarily a bad thing I guess |
| 15:19.49 | malreth | there is some degree of individual involvement |
| 15:19.50 | cbreak | but I like having a say on major decisions, and not only on who makes them |
| 15:20.09 | malreth | and it's been gaining traction in this new connected society |
| 15:20.31 | cbreak | (I recently got a 45 page booklet for the next votes, on 9 issues) |
| 15:20.50 | cbreak | (45 pages + countless in laywer speak :) |
| 15:20.53 | malreth | in a sense, the public is creating their own lobbying force through the use of organized call/fax/letter/email drives |
| 15:21.14 | cbreak | US politics seem money driven |
| 15:21.24 | |pez| | cbreak: laywer speak makes me sad. |
| 15:21.41 | malreth | when hordes of people write their congresscritter saying "vote this way on this law" they take notice |
| 15:21.56 | malreth | since it's those people that can easily vote them out of office in the next election |
| 15:22.12 | |pez| | true. |
| 15:22.12 | cbreak | is there a way to collect x number of signatures to force a public vote on an issue? |
| 15:22.27 | malreth | referendums... but that happens on a local or state level |
| 15:22.55 | malreth | and the procedure is different from locale to locale, i believe |
| 15:23.04 | malreth | i'm not incredibly familiar with how that works |
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| 15:23.38 | malreth | we had three such "propositions" here in austin just yesterday |
| 15:23.47 | zenzelezz | of the guilds I've been in so far, I think this one has the best class forum names by far... "I wish I was a Tauren rocker with flowers in my hair" (shaman), "How I communed with the dead, and 29 other great stories" (warlock)", "Pony Club" (warrior) |
| 15:24.15 | malreth | Prop #1 which was a vote to voluntarily raise property taxes for the purpose of higher pay for Austin School District teachers |
| 15:24.56 | malreth | Prop #2 which was a vote to end tax subsidies for corporations that move businesses to our city |
| 15:25.10 | malreth | and Prop #3... i forget what it was about... i'm sure it was important |
| 15:25.13 | malreth | :p |
| 15:25.32 | malreth | all three passed |
| 15:26.15 | |pez| | So you're paying more property tax to give the teachers better pay? that's rather a neat thing actually. |
| 15:26.57 | kneeki | Hmm, I could have sworn that blizzard 'fixed' Hardware cursor in OpenGL mode =( |
| 15:27.01 | malreth | yeah... but prop 2 failed... so we're also essentially paying taxes for the benefit of corporations |
| 15:27.24 | |pez| | :\ |
| 15:27.26 | cbreak | you pay taxes to pull corporations to you |
| 15:27.31 | cbreak | which potentially pay taxes |
| 15:27.40 | cbreak | kneeki: works for me |
| 15:28.02 | malreth | the idea is we give them tax breaks as an incentive to create businesses and jobs here |
| 15:28.14 | kneeki | cbreak: using Wine? |
| 15:28.20 | cbreak | no, mac os x |
| 15:28.24 | malreth | corporations pay disproportionately less taxes than individuals |
| 15:28.27 | kneeki | Ah, it's always worked on Mac |
| 15:28.45 | kneeki | Disable it in Windows and you'll see what it's like on 'nix. =( |
| 15:28.57 | kneeki | Makes pandas all around the world sad |
| 15:28.59 | malreth | kneeki: i wouldn't say that... my HW cursor seems sluggish or inconsistent on my mac |
| 15:29.21 | kneeki | malreth: Well, they've had the option anyway. |
| 15:29.56 | malreth | it takes a couple seconds for the cursor to change properly when i pick up an icon from a bag or action bar |
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| 15:30.39 | kneeki | Wow, that's no good |
| 15:31.11 | malreth | and if i disable HW cursor, it lags horribly |
| 15:31.38 | malreth | and it's not like i have a slow card |
| 15:31.49 | kneeki | All your OS updates done? |
| 15:32.03 | malreth | whaddayatakemefor? |
| 15:32.07 | cbreak | I read there were quite a few improvements to OpenGL in 10.5.5 |
| 15:32.20 | kneeki | lol |
| 15:32.33 | malreth | i'll admit that i haven't applied the *latest* digital camera raw update |
| 15:32.48 | cbreak | I hope also all security updates... |
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| 15:35.15 | Proditor | Does any1 here know if death knights are already in the api for e.g. raid colors etc, or do I have to wait until wotlk to start playing around with it? :P |
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| 15:35.48 | Industrial | Proditor: check out the RAID_CLASS_COLORS table |
| 15:35.54 | Industrial | (in short, dk is in it) |
| 15:36.06 | Proditor | thank you :-) |
| 15:37.05 | Industrial | np |
| 15:37.14 | Matrix110 | I think pretty much everything besides sounds/movies/models/world is ingame already from wotlk |
| 15:38.01 | Matrix110 | (they couldve included that aswell but then Vivendi would cry) |
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| 15:47.27 | malreth | http://bp0.blogger.com/_-aa_97QMwyM/RreBYCr3t-I/AAAAAAAAAGs/UpuFj-31Rbc/s1600-h/46b04019063ef.jpg |
| 15:48.12 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 15:48.51 | Seerah | hehe |
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| 15:53.47 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 15:55.20 | malreth | meanwhile, bad news for the malreth: http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/traffic/entries/2008/11/05/cap_metro_scene_report_part_i.html |
| 15:56.40 | malreth | for the duration of the strike, all busses that serve my area are gone |
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| 15:57.35 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, peoples. |
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| 15:58.46 | malreth | how appropriate: Today's Amazon MP3 deal -- Queen's News of the World album http://snurl.com/34x4m |
| 15:58.58 | malreth | the one with the "We are the champions" song |
| 16:04.00 | malreth | full disclosure, there's no affiliate reference in that link above. |
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| 16:08.34 | malreth | the democrat victory is crazy... |
| 16:08.36 | malreth | http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/2008/11/05/texas_house_on_brink_of_7575_t.html |
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| 16:08.47 | malreth | the texas house of reps is 25 vote |
| 16:08.54 | malreth | 25 votes away from a tie |
| 16:09.00 | malreth | 25 people! |
| 16:09.08 | Bendyr | Hi is there a way to get an xml configuration of all the latest wow talents? I want to build my own talent calculator, and don't want to have to create the talents from scratch |
| 16:09.28 | malreth | Bendyr: you can use the Blizzard UI kit thingie |
| 16:09.45 | malreth | or you can use wowcompares.com |
| 16:09.56 | Seerah | ~wowcompares |
| 16:09.56 | purl | methinks wowcompares is http://wowcompares.com |
| 16:10.01 | Seerah | ~Addon Kit |
| 16:10.10 | Bendyr | thank you i'll try the addon kit this looks perfect |
| 16:10.27 | cogwheel | if you're talking about the info about the talents themselves, you'll need to build them into your addon |
| 16:11.34 | cogwheel | at least as far as differing ranks go. |
| 16:11.50 | Bendyr | yeah i'm not actually making an addon- i'm trying to use this on a website |
| 16:13.04 | cogwheel | then i'd suggest taking a look at the source code for WoW's website talent calculator |
| 16:13.44 | Bendyr | yeah i saw that the class/talent/data.js |
| 16:14.08 | Bendyr | that's not bad either but i was just wondering if it was already neatly formatted somewhere |
| 16:16.22 | cogwheel | using a preset list would just make your version inflexible. If you get your data directly from blizzard, you shouldn't really need to change anything when they make changes. |
| 16:16.29 | Bendyr | yeah |
| 16:16.53 | Bendyr | that's why i was hoping it was maybe already formatted in some official capacity |
| 16:16.54 | malreth | get out there and code, citizen Bendyr |
| 16:17.04 | Bendyr | that's cool, i can use their javascript config fine |
| 16:17.10 | Bendyr | i was just wondering if there was something else out there |
| 16:17.10 | Bendyr | ty |
| 16:19.14 | malreth | cogwheel: 25 votes! |
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| 16:41.00 | cogwheel | ~poke malreth |
| 16:41.01 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind malreth, pokes malreth repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 16:41.18 | malreth | ~save me |
| 16:41.19 | purl | ACTION runs into a burning building and saves malreth from certain death. Is that enough? |
| 16:41.28 | malreth | i am saved |
| 16:50.47 | kamdis | malreth had a "come to Jesus" moment thanks to purl? |
| 16:51.13 | malreth | actually, i was "saved" in that respect years ago |
| 16:52.40 | malreth | and yeah, i think i even used 'air quotes' when i typed that out... |
| 16:52.43 | malreth | hrmm... |
| 16:53.14 | malreth | years of bitter reality and cynicism... oh how things change |
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| 17:02.20 | malreth | bah... off to a management class. :p~~~~ |
| 17:02.31 | malreth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:46.50 | Tekkub | I should write an auto-grats addon |
| 17:47.15 | Gnarfoz | there already is. |
| 17:47.30 | Tekkub | "<playername> doesn't really care about whatever you just achieved, but he was kind enough to install me so it would look like he does" |
| 17:47.44 | Gnarfoz | btw |
| 17:47.51 | Gnarfoz | turn of the announcements? |
| 17:47.52 | Tekkub | not like mine there isn't :P |
| 17:47.54 | Gnarfoz | ~slap tekkub |
| 17:47.55 | purl | ACTION slaps tekkub, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 17:47.56 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 17:48.07 | Tekkub | I actually like the announcements |
| 17:48.22 | Tekkub | it's stopped the idiots from going "ding" |
| 17:48.25 | Gnarfoz | then you're just a hypocrit as usual :D |
| 17:48.43 | Tekkub | no I just don't grats people :P |
| 17:48.58 | Gnarfoz | it's not like they *chose* to spam the announcement |
| 17:49.01 | Gnarfoz | you can't turn em off |
| 17:49.10 | Tekkub | you're totally missing my point |
| 17:49.24 | Gnarfoz | looks to me you don't have a point :D |
| 17:49.25 | Tekkub | I hate people that "ding" eveny single fucking level as if people care |
| 17:49.34 | Tekkub | hitting 70 is worth announcing |
| 17:49.38 | Tekkub | hitting 23 isn't |
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| 17:49.54 | Gnarfoz | like, avoid those people? |
| 17:49.55 | Lunessa | station. |
| 17:49.55 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 17:50.01 | Gnarfoz | eComStation |
| 17:50.02 | Gnarfoz | :< |
| 17:50.13 | KarlKFI_ | ding |
| 17:51.01 | erikd | tekkub: i agree |
| 17:51.21 | Lunessa | O/S2 - sucked. Sorry. |
| 17:51.33 | erikd | there's this guy in my guild that leveled a shaman and a pally and every level he'd go "ding!" and there'd be 4-5 people that would congratulate them every time |
| 17:51.47 | duaiwe | BeOS for life? |
| 17:51.53 | erikd | Haiku! |
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| 17:52.41 | erikd | which i believe is getting pretty close to a beta release? |
| 17:53.06 | NightHawkTheSane | BeOS? didn't they shut down or something? |
| 17:53.32 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 17:53.50 | Lunessa | You can still find copies of it though. it was pretty sweet for the time. |
| 17:54.26 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i guess it has a fairly significant cult following still. |
| 17:54.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i ran it briefly on my old g3. it -was- pretty sweet. |
| 17:55.08 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: sorry, no. it was way more advanced than anything else at the same time. IBM just sucked really bad at marketing it and Microsoft hit a lucky streak with windows 3.0 release they didn't expect. they were going for NT at that time (which was nothing more than half the os/2 codebase + filesystem + new stuff from a 2 years of coding) |
| 17:55.45 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa! *pounce* |
| 17:55.47 | Gnarfoz | ironically, I find that this is the same argument linux supporters give. lol :D |
| 17:55.52 | Gnarfoz | "but it's better!" |
| 17:56.06 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: O/S 2 sucked. With the most generic and non-proprietary hardware I was unable to ever successfully get it installed and working. |
| 17:56.18 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: maybe you sucked, then? :p |
| 17:56.28 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: I seriously doubt it. |
| 17:56.33 | Gnarfoz | dunno, I had it working on many a machine back then |
| 17:56.45 | Gnarfoz | and it worked better and more stable than windows non-nt ever did |
| 17:57.08 | Gnarfoz | but it drifted from the rest of the IT landscape too quickly |
| 17:57.39 | Gnarfoz | which indeed led to bad hardware support, lack of software availability etc. :\ |
| 17:58.05 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: Simply put, the installer was the single worst product IBM ever put out. If you managed to get O/S2 installed it was pretty sweet, but installing it was worse than installing early versions of Linux. |
| 17:58.06 | Gnarfoz | I dunno which point you're talking about, but warp 3.0 was really good for it's time, it started going downhill from there :\ |
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| 17:58.52 | Gnarfoz | hm, I don't remember much of the installer. didn't have to re-install it and cloned many of the installations ^^ |
| 18:00.22 | Lunessa | Which was NOT an option for me. :P It failed repeatedly to install on my PC which had IBM chipsets for everything except sound which was CreativeLabs. After a week of trying I finally said "fuck it" and installed Linux and Windows 3.11 as a dual boot. |
| 18:01.03 | Gnarfoz | hmmm creative. :D |
| 18:01.17 | Gnarfoz | they can't make drivers worth a damn to this day |
| 18:03.31 | Lunessa | Even so, it crashed when installing video. It crashed again during sound installation. It choked during the partitioning of the HDD. The versions we had running in the lab at work were nice. But I could never get it working at home. I just gave up. So I think of it as "sucks." |
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| 18:09.02 | zenzelezz | screw OS/2, go OS/360! |
| 18:09.34 | cbreak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_360 ? |
| 18:09.38 | zenzelezz | yes |
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| 18:10.08 | zenzelezz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/360 to be specific |
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| 18:22.13 | boshi | anyone know why I drop down menus would hide immediately after opening for my addons ? something change recently with dropdown menus ? |
| 18:22.24 | boshi | why MY drop down ... |
| 18:23.48 | Lunessa | boshi: There' |
| 18:23.57 | Lunessa | There's a taint problem with dropdowns. |
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| 18:30.11 | boshi | i've done the /console taintLog 1 and nothing appears in my taint.log |
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| 18:35.03 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: ain't that supposed to be gone with 3.0.3 |
| 18:35.40 | Lunessa | Don't know. Haven't looked/tested. Too busy ignoring the election and killing shiz for AD rep. |
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| 18:35.58 | Gnarfoz | how can you be busy ignoring something |
| 18:35.59 | Gnarfoz | :X |
| 18:36.09 | Gnarfoz | also, kill invaders, they give tons of rep. |
| 18:37.15 | Lunessa | I killed invaders until Revered. Now I'm collecting scourgestones and killing the shades. |
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| 18:40.30 | Lopeppeppy | I need to look into all of that stuff. *sigh* So boring to play my paladin now. |
| 18:40.59 | mikma | http://www.hotel-alicja.pl/pages/indexen.php?id=14&foto=1&wroc=1 |
| 18:41.13 | mikma | and |
| 18:41.17 | mikma | http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hotelalicjadx8.jpg |
| 18:41.26 | mikma | angle. it really matters. |
| 18:42.54 | NeoTron | mikma: hehe |
| 18:43.47 | NeoTron | although there's some significant differences between the two pictures... |
| 18:44.12 | NeoTron | maybe they differ in time but, say, the gates to the right look different |
| 18:45.36 | |Jelly| | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1315/ I love children. |
| 18:48.22 | duaiwe | mikma: i almost have a hard time believing angle alone could have 'removed' that nuclear power plant |
| 18:49.01 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: yeah, same here |
| 18:50.10 | Lunessa | The power plant photo looks shopped. |
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| 19:03.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Also, I fucking hate word documents. And I hate idiots who say "submit your word document resume" you're getting a pdf and you're going to like it, asshat. |
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| 19:07.02 | Lyn | NightHawkTheSane, amen |
| 19:07.21 | Dashkal | I've always considered that to be something of a red flag for a potential employer... |
| 19:08.07 | NeoTron | submit it on spiffy paper, slightly scented instead |
| 19:10.19 | Lunessa | Meh, I keep multiple formats (tough I prefer the PDF) and give the potential employer what they request. |
| 19:10.55 | kamdis | New puppy picture! http://i37.tinypic.com/2poulnt.jpg |
| 19:10.57 | Lunessa | Because, after all, I'm asking /them/ to hire /me/; which implies they will be giving me directives in the future. |
| 19:11.11 | Lunessa | awwww... |
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| 19:13.25 | cogwheel | ~hug kamdis, Lunessa, et al. |
| 19:13.26 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on kamdis, Lunessa, et al. and suddenly hugs kamdis, Lunessa, et al. tightly |
| 19:14.22 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Is that a recursive function? |
| 19:15.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: the main problem is that the 'master' copy of my resume is a latex document. Which doesn't really convert well into Word, so it's always a headache. |
| 19:16.19 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Ah, yeah. If you need a word copy, send me the PDF and I'll export it to Word for you. |
| 19:18.37 | Lunessa | I spend more of my day in Word than I care to think about. |
| 19:20.30 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort Lunessa |
| 19:20.31 | purl | There, there, Lunessa. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 19:21.50 | p3lim | how can I get a fontstring to fade out? |
| 19:22.05 | p3lim | like the function tooltip has :FadeOut() |
| 19:22.34 | NightHawkTheSane | clever use of OnUpdate and SetAlpha()? |
| 19:22.45 | mikma | yes |
| 19:22.50 | mikma | nighthawkthesane is right |
| 19:23.07 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, thats probably all FadeOut does anyway |
| 19:23.29 | mikma | or use UIFrameFadeOut(theframewwherefontisdocked,1) |
| 19:27.35 | sylvanaar | you can fade the fontstring by itself too |
| 19:27.58 | p3lim | ill go for the easy solution :) |
| 19:28.12 | p3lim | mikma: is that by alpha or does it hide it? |
| 19:28.22 | mikma | alpha |
| 19:29.15 | mikma | oh right it does work with fontstring |
| 19:29.24 | mikma | i use it in my addon, lol |
| 19:30.22 | p3lim | thanks for the help :) |
| 19:30.42 | p3lim | the 2nd argument of that function is the time, right? |
| 19:31.55 | mikma | yes |
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| 19:41.45 | NightHawkTheSane | also I really despise recruiters. >< |
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| 19:48.39 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/9_8_7_6_5_4_3_2_1_nimeton.jpg |
| 19:48.43 | mikma | OMAGAD OMAGAD |
| 19:49.06 | mikma | shirik safe but some of you will label it NSFW even after the comedyvalue of the image |
| 19:50.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ shirik safe, hahahaha |
| 19:51.31 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
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| 19:53.53 | Lunessa | ... That's something that should never be a "surprise!" |
| 19:54.19 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 19:55.00 | mikma | but i bet it actually IS a surprise if it happens |
| 19:56.43 | zenzelezz | depends on your definition of surprise |
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| 19:58.02 | Shirik | hrm |
| 19:58.05 | Shirik | I guess that was a bad time to do that |
| 19:59.24 | p3lim | 290 herbalism, where to now? |
| 19:59.44 | Lopeppeppy | What herb just turned green, p3lim? And didn't the guides from yesterday help at all? |
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| 20:00.00 | mikma | p3lim: into professions-leveling thread |
| 20:00.11 | p3lim | been farming blindweed since 240, its green |
| 20:00.20 | p3lim | mikma: those guides are utter shit |
| 20:00.33 | mikma | actually, you are incorrect |
| 20:00.43 | mikma | they do their job like planned |
| 20:00.54 | p3lim | maybe, but they are still shit |
| 20:01.02 | mikma | nope, they aren't |
| 20:01.02 | p3lim | tells me to move zones every 15 skill |
| 20:01.04 | p3lim | waste of time |
| 20:01.26 | mikma | it tells you where you can find flowers that are good for the current skill-level |
| 20:01.39 | mikma | it's completely different thing do you follow it or not |
| 20:02.05 | Lunessa | Oh boy, French articles about a president who want's to implement a french-style welfare state... |
| 20:04.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ... it's not -actually- possible for horde to get 100 cooking recipes pre-wrath without getting some from the alliance |
| 20:04.17 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: true. |
| 20:04.24 | kd3 | mm |
| 20:04.24 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: murr? hmm, time to raid the master cook and put them up on the neutral.. |
| 20:04.24 | mikma | i got 110 on my nelf druid now |
| 20:04.41 | kd3 | 106 here |
| 20:05.06 | mikma | i'm missing the epic pattern, dirge's something, and apple cider |
| 20:05.07 | kd3 | only one I know I'm missing is the chimaerok chops |
| 20:05.19 | mikma | dirge's chimaerok chops, that one |
| 20:05.34 | mikma | missing it too, + the apple cider and one that can only be gotten from horde-only quest |
| 20:05.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: there's got to be like 15+ recipes that are only available to the alliance |
| 20:06.17 | p3lim | mikma: 111 on my druid ;D |
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| 20:06.20 | Lunessa | Kael'dorei Kabobs. |
| 20:06.29 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe not all of the achievements are **intended** to be achievable pre-Wrath? |
| 20:07.01 | p3lim | alot of them arent intended for pre-exp |
| 20:07.02 | mikma | orly? |
| 20:07.05 | Stanzilla | 117 cooking recipes is max imo |
| 20:07.10 | Stanzilla | 118 for rogues |
| 20:07.16 | mikma | ya |
| 20:07.20 | mikma | rogues get the extra +1 |
| 20:07.21 | p3lim | like, killing 1 of each class |
| 20:07.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: i wouldn't mind if it was faction balanced. it's just that it's trivial for alliance, and very difficult for horde |
| 20:07.29 | p3lim | i dont have fishing |
| 20:07.32 | p3lim | so i lose some there |
| 20:07.44 | Stanzilla | just one |
| 20:07.46 | kd3 | horde get the short end of the stick on a few |
| 20:07.47 | Stanzilla | from the fishing daily |
| 20:07.51 | Lunessa | I'm not sure I can stand to level fishing again. |
| 20:07.51 | p3lim | ah ok just 1 then |
| 20:07.57 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: i see 18 alliance only recipes |
| 20:08.04 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 20:08.11 | p3lim | same |
| 20:08.19 | p3lim | got 350 on my shaman, which i ditched |
| 20:08.41 | mikma | max on my druid + both achievement fishes ^^ |
| 20:09.04 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_101808_203556.jpg and http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_101908_212621.jpg |
| 20:09.06 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: it shouldn't be too difficult for horde. Alli should be putting up th exclusive ones on the AH same as enterprising horde stick savory deviate delight up |
| 20:09.09 | kd3 | blah. I still need the rare fish and mr. pinchy... and the crocs |
| 20:09.27 | Dashkal | mikma: congrats :D |
| 20:09.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: that shouldn't be a requirement, though. |
| 20:09.54 | mikma | dashkal: savory is easy to get as alli too |
| 20:09.56 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Having to resort to the AH is often a requirement in the game. Quests requiring engy items, for example |
| 20:09.59 | mikma | not that common, but still easy |
| 20:10.07 | Dashkal | mikma: sure. I just bought it. |
| 20:10.27 | mikma | oh |
| 20:10.32 | mikma | i'm missing savory too |
| 20:10.37 | p3lim | i went for Gromsblood in Blasted Lands btw, its next to where i was already (Swamps of Sorrow) and im now 300, i just swoop into the portal and head for HH ;D |
| 20:10.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: you miss the point. I don't mind things requiring player interaction like that. But this is saying horde -must- purchase from alliance, while alliance can just run around to their vendors. |
| 20:10.48 | Dashkal | There's nearly always one up on the neutral. only time I have trouble is during primetime when people buy them too quickly |
| 20:11.21 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: what I'm counting with is that the horde having to deal with goblins is not an onerous thing. If you simply hate the alliance and refuse to deal with them, that's your problem |
| 20:11.42 | Dashkal | The recipies will be there because players will sell to that market |
| 20:11.47 | NightHawkTheSane | you're still vastly missing the "this is not equal on both sides" point |
| 20:12.06 | Dashkal | I do not believe that the horde and alliance must be "equal" |
| 20:12.13 | kd3 | [15:07:46] <kd3> horde get the short end of the stick on a few |
| 20:12.20 | NightHawkTheSane | it'd be fine if each side only had ~85 recipes easily available, and had to trade with each other for "completeness" |
| 20:12.21 | p3lim | i can safely say i have never bought anything on the AH with my druid |
| 20:12.31 | p3lim | played the druid for 1-1.5 years now |
| 20:12.40 | Dashkal | Now the tauren and the mounts is another matter. For that the difference is major. Having to nab a couple off of a goblin auctioneer isn't the same thing |
| 20:13.00 | Gnarfoz | you people and your entitlement complex |
| 20:13.24 | NightHawkTheSane | what entitlement? i don't want it easier for horde, i want it harder for alliance :P |
| 20:13.42 | p3lim | the horde recipes ive got on my druid ive gotten through a friend (aswell all horde companion pets) |
| 20:13.48 | bleeter | wtf |
| 20:13.53 | bleeter | rolling restarts at 7AM? |
| 20:13.55 | p3lim | (yes, i have the skunk :D) |
| 20:14.09 | |pez| | I want a skunk pet! |
| 20:14.13 | bleeter | note to blizz techs: you're out of summertime, we're in summertime. your midday is now our 7AM and not 5AM |
| 20:14.18 | Dashkal | I just raid the neutral AH once in awhile for horde exclusive pets and recpies. Not like I need the cash for anything else |
| 20:14.28 | p3lim | its full of awesome |pez| |
| 20:14.33 | mikma | gah, i should have added the kite in my druid's collection :/ |
| 20:14.40 | mikma | cairenn: gief new code lol |
| 20:14.46 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, horde probably get shafted on vendor purchased vanity pets too, i think |
| 20:15.04 | Cairenn | mikma: no code for you! come back one year! |
| 20:15.17 | bleeter | Wish I could sell my mechanical chickens. I've got 10 in my bags, 'cannot auction items with used charges' yet I see others listing theirs :( |
| 20:15.34 | kd3 | bleeter; bitch at a gm. they'll fix them |
| 20:15.38 | p3lim | i dont have a single TCG pet |
| 20:15.55 | bleeter | kd3: oO kk, I'll wait for this stupid 7AM restart first .... |
| 20:16.04 | bleeter | thanks for the tip mate :) |
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| 20:21.40 | mikma | bleeter: yeah, ticket GM about it |
| 20:22.04 | mikma | i had 3 pieces of darkmoon faire cards that i couldn't ah |
| 20:22.18 | bleeter | sure thing, once the bloody realm comes back up |
| 20:22.22 | bleeter | .... |
| 20:23.04 | bleeter | could've sworn I had a DMF card on my AH mule before 3.0.3, stuffed if I can find it though :( |
| 20:25.24 | Lunessa | Big Blizzard Bear + Murloc Suit = lawls. |
| 20:25.42 | mikma | + murloc egg ;O |
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| 20:26.16 | Lunessa | I don't has it. i r teh sad panda |
| 20:26.42 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_102108_230700.jpg |
| 20:26.51 | mikma | not my char in the picture |
| 20:27.09 | Lunessa | If you have the bear, you can use the suit after you mount. |
| 20:27.16 | Lopeppeppy | My sheeple would make Baby Jesus weep. |
| 20:27.22 | Lunessa | I have a macro for doing just this. |
| 20:27.31 | bleeter | anyone know if the Automatic Goblin Therapist will talk to GMs for you? |
| 20:27.34 | mikma | yeah, you can use the suit on all mounts now |
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| 20:29.10 | bleeter | oO there was an addon or macro hack to trick or treat more than once an hour? |
| 20:29.32 | Lunessa | Dying ought to have done it. |
| 20:35.19 | bleeter | ohhhh.. heh. didnt' think that might be the path. anyways, seems blizz have been removing gear gained using some hack method. |
| 20:39.56 | Lunessa | Heh, good. :) |
| 20:40.05 | Dashkal | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.16 | alestane | Lunessa: Don't make me hurt you. |
| 20:42.29 | bleeter | don't quote me, but iirc copy/paste is a function of the window manager. |
| 20:42.30 | Lunessa | What? You don't like my report? |
| 20:42.51 | alestane | 1) I've seen several accounts of this problem... |
| 20:42.53 | bleeter | Dashkal: so it doesn't matter, really, what UI API any given app uses, it 'just works' |
| 20:43.18 | Lunessa | I'll delete it if it makes you happier. :P |
| 20:43.25 | alestane | 2) A fix has been submitted already, we're just waiting for Blizzard to have a slightly lower-urgency patch they can sneak it into. |
| 20:43.43 | Lunessa | Nuked. :P |
| 20:43.58 | Dashkal | bleeter: If it's just part of "the window manager" I guess that makes it part of one of the X specifications? X11 design confuses the hell out of me |
| 20:44.55 | bleeter | Dashkal: that's why I don't want to think of technically what's going on. X11 is hard enough to wrap my head around most days, let alone at 07:45 in the morning on very little .. and bad blend at that .. coffee |
| 20:46.09 | bleeter | it's probably more likely some generally agreed 'freedesktop.org' standard thing, though, than specificly X11. X11 doesn't really have, again iirc, a concept of a WM at the core. It's been ages since I really looked at X11, and like sendmail.cf, not something I care to think of that often ;) |
| 20:46.14 | bleeter | maybe once a decade |
| 20:46.37 | Dashkal | heh |
| 20:46.55 | Dashkal | that reminds me. WTB fixed system tray spec. The icons going berserk on me is starting to annoy me |
| 20:47.18 | Dashkal | also WTB fixed nvidia drivers. The icons simply vanishing is also annoying |
| 20:50.30 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.32 | kd3 | or 0 |
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| 20:51.46 | Dashkal | kd3: Actually I was offtopic referring to the kde system tray. What does uifaster do again? It might solve my background layers shifting to the right |
| 20:52.17 | Dashkal | It's strange. If I mouseover myself in the map (totally stock UI) the tooltip background shunts right |
| 20:52.25 | Dashkal | but not the border or content |
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| 20:56.44 | bleeter | Duman: I don't know why, but I'd not noticed your guild name before (that I recall, anyway). YOu get karma from me ;) |
| 20:56.48 | bleeter | Duman++ |
| 20:57.04 | alestane | Lunessa: Help you get for Vista, or help you provide for Vista? |
| 20:57.08 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, our Help Desk hates that students have Vista and professors have XP. Hates it. |
| 20:57.23 | Lunessa | Help I provide. I always end up holding people's hands .. fuck'em. |
| 20:57.58 | Lunessa | Blizzard ain't paying me, these people aren't paying me, and they never read the damned guide. |
| 20:58.26 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Do student computer labs have Vista, or just students with Vista boxes in their rooms? |
| 20:58.41 | Lunessa | Or their personal machines. |
| 20:58.50 | Hirsute | At my University, the labs are running a mix of XP/Linux/Mac OS. |
| 20:59.04 | Hirsute | Oh, and one lab, for some unknown reason still runs Windows 2k |
| 20:59.37 | bleeter | NT4 legacy app that didn't port to XP/2003 server? |
| 20:59.43 | Hirsute | Professors are mostly XP/Mac OS |
| 20:59.47 | alestane | That would be my guess. |
| 20:59.50 | Hirsute | bleeter: It's a standard student computer lab. |
| 20:59.50 | bleeter | I've seen a few of those still kicking around in the wild |
| 20:59.55 | Hirsute | No specialty software at all. |
| 21:00.13 | Hirsute | I think the techies are just cheap and lazy |
| 21:00.14 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, there aren't really "labs" anymore, since frosh are required to have a laptop or personal computer. And most of them are coming in with Vista. |
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| 21:00.31 | bleeter | aargh, not Sixen! FLEE!!! |
| 21:00.31 | mikma | http://www.fukung.net/v/9769/cddb528be5ae9048dbad51b60ddaffc8.jpg |
| 21:00.34 | mikma | oh that's so harsh |
| 21:00.35 | Sixen | :p |
| 21:00.43 | Sixen | And now that i'm here... Afk! |
| 21:00.44 | alestane | Interesting. I wonder how common policies like that are becoming. |
| 21:01.15 | Tem|work | alestane: pretty common |
| 21:03.24 | Lunessa | We have 3 general computing labs, and a dozen or so specialty labs. We don't require our students to have personal laptops. We're a 3rd year school though. |
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| 21:05.07 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, more and more common in 4 year schools. There are very limited facilities offered on campus for "labs". Mostly the public access computers in the cafe or library, as opposed to the old-style computer labs. |
| 21:05.25 | Adys | What's the first value in a Glyph: link ? |
| 21:05.49 | Adys | (ill suppose second one is some kind of obscure id ive never heard of) |
| 21:06.12 | kd3 | isn't it major/minor? |
| 21:06.14 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. is it all chedder, or just the kinds i manage to buy, thats too oily to make really GOOD grilled cheese? |
| 21:06.23 | Adys | kd3: im thinking its the glyph slot used |
| 21:06.33 | Adys | Im seeing 21 22 23 24 |
| 21:07.49 | Adys | 25 too |
| 21:09.32 | NeoTron | speaking of minor/major glyphs, which they were separated in the crafting UI and on the AH |
| 21:10.15 | Dewin | I never got a good answer when I asked the other day so... |
| 21:10.28 | Adys | hmmm yes |
| 21:10.30 | Dewin | has anybody had issues with frames being drawn on the wrong framelevel and/or able to suggest a fix? |
| 21:10.33 | Adys | first one is the slot |
| 21:10.45 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: My experience is that cheddar is a little too dense, and doesn't melt easily enough. Although I actually think cheeses like Monterey Jack work better precisely because they're fattier. |
| 21:10.47 | Adys | and it indeed determines major or minor |
| 21:11.07 | Tem|work | so if you didn't see the swarm coming and your plans for the evening didn't involve being picked to the bone and strained through a thousand tiny digestive systems, then you get EAT SHIT, SPACE COWBOY |
| 21:11.53 | alestane | Tem|work: Is that pertinent to something that I'm just not grasping? |
| 21:13.14 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: slice it thin. |
| 21:13.19 | Lunessa | Use more butter. |
| 21:13.33 | Lunessa | And die by the time you're 55. :P |
| 21:14.04 | Tem|work | alestane: Zero Punctuation for today quote |
| 21:14.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: 55? what kind of healthy food are YOU eating. i'm going out by the time i'm 40. :P |
| 21:14.31 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I'd say that, but 40 is getting really close. |
| 21:14.32 | alestane | So, not something that's been under discussion here recently. |
| 21:14.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: sadly, it's pre-sliced. I need to stop buying pre-sliced cheese and get a real cheese slicer |
| 21:15.00 | Lopeppeppy | NightHawkTheSane, yes, yes you do. |
| 21:15.13 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Yes, yes you do. Or just buy that fake cheese crap. |
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| 21:15.28 | NightHawkTheSane | helllll no. i refuse to eat that crap |
| 21:15.31 | alestane | I've never seen a problem with using a sharp knife, honestly. |
| 21:16.24 | NightHawkTheSane | it'd probably work fine for a block of cheddar, but softer cheeses tend to squish badly. plus i suck at slicing things thin with a knife |
| 21:16.53 | kd3 | meh. I'm pretty good at slicing blocks of cheddar for use on triscuits or the like |
| 21:16.59 | kd3 | mm. damn it, now I'm hungry |
| 21:18.08 | Lopeppeppy | NightHawkTheSane, if the cheese is too soft, make sure the knife is sharper. |
| 21:18.35 | Lopeppeppy | I'm totally having cheese and crackers when I get home, kd3. I have garlic Triscuits and a nice cave-aged sharp NY cheddar. |
| 21:20.07 | mikma | so, i found a "WotLK Light Bench" in Shattrath |
| 21:20.13 | mikma | it's called that ^^ |
| 21:20.29 | kd3 | I'm more amused at the Porta-Pews |
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| 21:22.29 | bleeter | oO so we have progression on the invasion event? |
| 21:22.41 | bleeter | I gave up on it last week :/ |
| 21:22.55 | kd3 | meh, the shat stuff appeared right before the end of the zombie infestation |
| 21:22.58 | kd3 | to cure the plague |
| 21:23.16 | bleeter | yeah, anything past that apart from the AD quest givers handing out lvl 70 quests to lvl 50 toons? |
| 21:23.31 | kd3 | no. wtf. they didn't fix the minlevel? |
| 21:24.20 | bleeter | as I'm sitting here getting annoyed on my 50 spriest with MF... yup, I have Invasion->LHC quest in my book |
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| 21:25.14 | bleeter | no idea, to be honest, whether the next steps are avaialble. but the AD recruiting 50's for killing 70 mobs.. amused me. |
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| 21:25.40 | bleeter | 'coz we all know the AD are a bunch of useless twats ;) |
| 21:25.45 | Pythol | anyone know a mod that will track my group/raids cooldowns? I was thinking cooldowntimers3 but it doens't seem to, Id like to QQ about my shamans not using bloodlust/priests not using hymn of hope when we're oom etc |
| 21:26.48 | Tem|work | bleeter: Argent Champion Tem takes offense to that, bleeter |
| 21:27.01 | Tem|work | =P |
| 21:27.14 | bleeter | Well, city guards don't seem concerned if you go to war with the AD and attack their NPCs |
| 21:27.29 | Tem|work | I apparently lost my train of thought on that >< |
| 21:27.45 | bleeter | so... they can't be all that useful if capital leaders won't defend them ;) |
| 21:28.11 | bleeter | *won't command forces to defend |
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| 21:35.27 | amro | AD spend most of their time sending people to put bones in giant cauldrons |
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| 21:37.05 | bnovc | i was thinking about trying to make a radar that has the mobs nearby me on it / adding them to the current minimap.... is that not possible given the restrictions for addons? no way to get a list of mobs around me and only an estimate of their distance? |
| 21:38.00 | kd3 | unless you can get to it via a targettarget chain... no |
| 21:38.32 | bleeter | amro: one would think they'd have run out of cauldrons by now ;) |
| 21:38.39 | bnovc | addons have a lot of limitations :P but i guess i just want to do the things i dont already have addons for and its not possible |
| 21:39.11 | Recompense | bnovc: Probably not, much of what isn't done so far is because it can't be done |
| 21:40.23 | Recompense | No reason not to keep pushing boundaries though :) |
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| 21:46.39 | Pythol | anyone know a mod that will track my group/raids cooldowns? I was thinking cooldowntimers3 but it doens't seem to, Id like to QQ about my shamans not using bloodlust/priests not using hymn of hope when we're oom etc |
| 21:51.35 | Lunessa | OMG... it's the Fire Blast Bull. |
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| 21:52.02 | Lunessa | Pythol: ORA2 has a module for that. |
| 21:54.53 | Pythol | hmm |
| 21:54.59 | Pythol | so everyone has to DL ORA2? |
| 21:55.19 | Recompense | I'm a druid, not a mage, but yes, it's the Fire Blast bull :D |
| 21:55.20 | Pythol | anyone familiar w/ CDT3? |
| 21:55.23 | Pythol | whats the "group" button for |
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| 21:57.06 | Tooltip | Hi! |
| 21:57.24 | Pythol | halo thar |
| 21:57.50 | Tooltip | Ehm, is someone present who speaks german? :) |
| 21:58.07 | Recompense | Not me :( |
| 21:58.20 | Tooltip | hm, okay ... |
| 21:58.31 | amro | was ist das?! |
| 21:58.32 | Lunessa | Recompense: I was just picking on you. It's all good mein herr. |
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| 21:58.51 | Recompense | If you pick on bulls, you get the horns |
| 21:59.02 | Recompense | And other cliche threats |
| 21:59.04 | cladhaire | Das ist eine Katze |
| 21:59.09 | amro | I can speak english with a german accent. is that good enough? |
| 21:59.19 | Tooltip | i hope ;) |
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| 21:59.47 | Industrial | Any people that like metal? I'm looking for a coverband thats called somethingsomethinghole, they call themselves the hole :| cant find it >_< sorry vor the vague description :D |
| 22:00.01 | Tooltip | I want to make some item-tooltips for my little WoW AddOn |
| 22:00.08 | Tooltip | But I don't know how |
| 22:00.25 | amro | cladhaire: nein! das ist ein hund |
| 22:00.25 | Lunessa | Industrial: I think I've heard of them. SomethingSomething... Yeah. (I kid, can't help you.) |
| 22:00.52 | Industrial | :< |
| 22:01.10 | cladhaire | amro: Der Hund frist das ei. |
| 22:01.24 | Lunessa | Ist nicht eine Katze, is eine frau! |
| 22:01.42 | alestane | It's not a *what*, it's a woman? |
| 22:01.56 | Tooltip | katze = cat |
| 22:01.56 | cladhaire | Die Frau liebt seinen Sohn. |
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| 22:02.01 | cladhaire | damnit ihren |
| 22:02.19 | Lunessa | Hey, I don't speak German very well. And my written german? Forgeddaboutit. |
| 22:02.24 | Tekkub | main katze hat eine rot kopft |
| 22:02.24 | sioraiocht | hallo! |
| 22:02.30 | Tekkub | *mein |
| 22:02.39 | sioraiocht | Tekkub: meine ;) |
| 22:02.44 | Tooltip | But it's funny to read :-D |
| 22:02.45 | cladhaire | ~x de en kopft |
| 22:02.48 | Tekkub | fuck you and your grammar |
| 22:02.55 | Industrial | spelling* |
| 22:03.01 | Recompense | grammar* |
| 22:03.01 | sioraiocht | Was ist eine kopft? |
| 22:03.03 | amro | sieg heil |
| 22:03.06 | Industrial | NEIN |
| 22:03.13 | Tooltip | Kopf = Head |
| 22:03.22 | cladhaire | Tooltip: thanks :P |
| 22:03.25 | sioraiocht | Tooltip: Danke ;) |
| 22:03.32 | Lunessa | I only dated german and swiss-german girls - I didn't really make an effort to learn the language. |
| 22:03.35 | cladhaire | this is my level of conversation, but that's about it :P |
| 22:03.43 | Tekkub | meine gnomen is warlocken |
| 22:03.54 | Tekkub | *ist |
| 22:04.02 | sioraiocht | Tekkub: ein warlocken ;) |
| 22:04.05 | Recompense | Lunessa: I don't blame you, I can't imagine German pillow-talk |
| 22:04.27 | Industrial | haha me neither! (but im dutch, dutch must be worse) |
| 22:04.34 | Tooltip | Is someone here who can help me to make item tooltips for my add on ? |
| 22:04.36 | Lunessa | Recompense: It wasn't all that bad. I like a woman who growls at times. *snicker* |
| 22:04.40 | Industrial | Tooltip: go, dutch! |
| 22:04.44 | Industrial | Tekkub: * |
| 22:04.44 | Tekkub | nein! er ist warlocken all over the place |
| 22:04.45 | sioraiocht | Industrial: dutch just sounds like you guys are saying "gh" over and over again |
| 22:04.51 | Industrial | heh |
| 22:04.54 | cladhaire | Tooltip: You just want to spawn tooltips? |
| 22:04.58 | cladhaire | or what specifically are you trying to do? |
| 22:05.21 | kd3 | whee. over the 2500 quest marker |
| 22:05.29 | kd3 | wonder if I can hit 2525? |
| 22:05.29 | Industrial | Lunessa: you prefer english growling? :P |
| 22:05.39 | Tooltip | i made an add on for my guild to bet boss loots with DKP points and i want to make some tooltips for these items |
| 22:05.46 | Recompense | Dammit I logged in and forgot why... now the guild is making their greentext at me |
| 22:05.56 | Lunessa | Industrial: I think you missed my point. *chuckle* |
| 22:06.05 | cladhaire | Tooltip: Look into the implementation of ItemRefTooltip in the FrameXML files |
| 22:06.19 | cladhaire | you'll want to make multiple instances of them, since you want them to be displayed at the same time, I assume |
| 22:06.23 | Industrial | ups i read It's not I. |
| 22:06.27 | Recompense | *flees to alts* |
| 22:08.29 | Recompense | Old Man Barlo, why are your crocodile desires so sated recently? What is this fetish with Felblood Snappers? |
| 22:10.58 | Industrial | Lunessa: also I found the band; ZImmershole |
| 22:11.37 | Lunessa | Recompense: Can't have crocodile every day. Got to mix it up some. |
| 22:11.51 | Recompense | I know, I know - but it's not been the daily for about 10 days |
| 22:12.27 | Recompense | He is the one quest NPC I would have killed gladly as a zombie, if I'd thought of it |
| 22:14.58 | Recompense | Lunessa: regarding http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12386128930&sid=1 , I've heard people saying that changing the folder's setting doesn't actually affect the contents one way or another for some reason - true? |
| 22:15.19 | Lunessa | You have to "Apply to all sub-items" |
| 22:16.37 | Recompense | Ahhh OK that's the change from XP to Vista then. I'll make sure to adjust my replies |
| 22:16.42 | Lunessa | It's the contents more than the folder. Unfortunately, I'm responsible for the c/p of "read only wtf?" mea culpa. |
| 22:17.33 | Recompense | Nah I carried it on because I didn't know there was a specific option to have it propagate to the contents - in XP I think it does that automatically, or at least when you hit OK |
| 22:18.22 | Recompense | No, it asks for confirmation still - eh, easy enough fix |
| 22:18.44 | Lunessa | It should, but it's not always the default. And people do stupid things anyway. |
| 22:20.37 | Tooltip | cladhaire: thank you, i found something useful :) |
| 22:21.16 | Recompense | Curse you, cooking daily. Curse you and your non-existent cake recipes |
| 22:21.57 | Tooltip | bye bye ;) |
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| 22:27.50 | Recompense | Hmph and a bad minor glyph today. It is not a good WoW day. |
| 22:30.25 | Lunessa | Someone upload me a nice slice of Ny Cheesecake with sliced strawberries? |
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| 22:49.23 | zenzelezz | there's something intimidating about having only cleared to Kalecgos and attempted him a couple of times in May or whenever, never reading up on any of the fights, and then having your guild pull you all the way through Sunwell up to Kil'jaeden when they lack people one night |
| 22:49.44 | zenzelezz | even if it has been nerfed |
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| 22:51.41 | Wikwocket | Does anyone know if, when looping through buffs via UnitAura(), if the first nil name returned always means that's the end of the buffs? |
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| 23:01.00 | alestane | The forum filter fails. |
| 23:01.09 | kd3 | therapist |
| 23:01.14 | kd3 | >.> |
| 23:01.19 | amro | computation |
| 23:01.35 | alestane | I just posted sample code containing GetNumWhoResults and it posts GetNum@####sults. |
| 23:02.24 | Kaso | lol |
| 23:06.53 | Wikwocket | Hmmm does UnitAura have a isCastable filter? I seem to remember UnitBuff having one... |
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| 23:10.32 | Funkeh` | Shirik, you still slacking on that updater |
| 23:11.53 | Wikwocket | hmmmm maybe the "PLAYER" filter means the same thing as isCastable |
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| 23:14.18 | Lopeppeppy | Quickly, without thinking about it too much, can a few people give me sentences beginning with "I hope... " |
| 23:14.20 | Lopeppeppy | Go! |
| 23:14.44 | amro | I hope I can come up with a satisfactory sentence. |
| 23:14.48 | Wikwocket | I hope someone knows how the filters to UnitAura work and will tell me :P |
| 23:14.53 | zenzelezz | I hope you haven't fogrotten about that date tomorrow evening |
| 23:15.24 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, that's funny because I have a standing Thursday night date. *grin* |
| 23:15.43 | zenzelezz | with someone else? Now you're just hurting my feelings |
| 23:15.56 | Lopeppeppy | Darlin', you fly over and we'll hit the movies, I promise. |
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| 23:17.38 | alestane | I hope your cat left the apartment standing. |
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| 23:19.01 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 23:19.58 | Arrowmaster | *sigh* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12354805813&sid=1 is on page 4 now |
| 23:20.15 | Arrowmaster | i should try to remember to bump that in the morning before i goto bed |
| 23:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | Arrowmaster, bump that before you go to bed. |
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| 23:28.18 | alestane | Do XML processors condense whitespace in attribute values the way they do in the rest of the document? |
| 23:31.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Values? Shouldn't |
| 23:31.56 | |Pixel| | hmmm |
| 23:32.05 | |Pixel| | does someone know who wrote that addon ? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10316-9183/9155.html |
| 23:32.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Though I guess it depends on (a) the parser and (b) the usage |
| 23:32.10 | alestane | I'll just have to feed this to the validator when I'm done. |
| 23:32.11 | |Pixel| | (TradeLinks) |
| 23:32.15 | Adys | |Pixel|: Maldivia |
| 23:32.34 | |Pixel| | can I find him over here ? :P |
| 23:32.37 | Lopeppeppy | ~seen maldivia |
| 23:32.40 | purl | maldivia is currently on #wowuidev (21d 11h 42m 34s) #wowace (21d 11h 42m 34s) #curseforge (21d 11h 42m 34s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 14d 16h 8m 33s, last said: 'Redguard: considering the secure group headers can call it while in combat, if changes happen to group/raid composition'. |
| 23:32.41 | Adys | Maldivia: ^ |
| 23:32.55 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 23:33.04 | ScytheBlade1 | He's been afk for 14 days, you may not see him soon :) |
| 23:33.10 | |Pixel| | nice afk :P |
| 23:33.13 | |Pixel| | yeah |
| 23:33.28 | Lopeppeppy | There's always the comments section for the addon page. |
| 23:33.34 | Lopeppeppy | Or a PM on the WoWI site. |
| 23:33.49 | |Pixel| | yeah well |
| 23:33.57 | |Pixel| | I don't care /that/ much :) |
| 23:33.59 | Adys | or www.levoyageur.net/eng-ports-Maldivia.html i guess |
| 23:34.20 | |Pixel| | he'll probably figure out soon enough his addon won't work anymore next patch |
| 23:35.33 | Lopeppeppy | As in, Wrath? I should think with the PTR and beta, any addon author who was going to update for Wrath has had tons of chance. |
| 23:35.53 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: that addon didnt exist before wrath |
| 23:35.57 | Lopeppeppy | He's notated on his page that it will work with Wrath, too. |
| 23:36.04 | |Pixel| | as in 3.0.4 |
| 23:36.07 | ScytheBlade1 | |Pixel|: what about it won't work? |
| 23:36.21 | Lunessa | Am I on drugs? Can someone look at http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065196260&sid=1 and tell me wtf? |
| 23:36.37 | |Pixel| | tradeskill links changing drastically there; nothing really fancy though |
| 23:37.13 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, that's wicked over my head, sorry. |
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| 23:39.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: GetCVar returns a string. Use either GetCVarBool or compare with "1" |
| 23:40.07 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/58194211 |
| 23:40.19 | Coren{de} | Hi... does anyone have a clue if there is an event (that an AddOn can register) to catch "You have discovered <zone>"? |
| 23:40.43 | NeoTron | Adys: <3 |
| 23:41.03 | Jeromy | zone change event then read the error frame? |
| 23:41.08 | Jeromy | guess |
| 23:41.17 | alestane | Lunessa: Added my two cents. |
| 23:41.48 | Jeromy | anyone have experience with GuildRosterSetOfficerNote? |
| 23:42.03 | Lunessa | alestane: That was my thought, but I can't test from the office. |
| 23:42.09 | Adys | Jeromy: what do you need? |
| 23:42.40 | Jeromy | I'm trying to set the note and then update a list i created, it only wants to update while the guild pane is open |
| 23:43.03 | Coren{de} | Jeromy, would be the last resort, because I'm lazy and don't want to install all language packs... ;) |
| 23:44.46 | Jeromy | :) |
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| 23:50.34 | Jeromy | calling GuildRoster() seems to have fixed my issue |
| 23:51.23 | Lunessa | alestane: Thanks. I knew I wasn't on crack, but still. |
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| 23:51.42 | alestane | You just have to poke it again once the setting is set. |
| 23:52.03 | Adys | anyone using wine here? |
| 23:52.05 | Adys | for wow |
| 23:52.08 | Lunessa | Yeah. Or the client doesn't do anything. |
| 23:52.58 | Shirik | hokay, wtf |
| 23:52.59 | kd3 | yup |
| 23:53.34 | Shirik | Why windows is horrible: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/d795cc7eee8e2aa13bc7f9ad5c1ea92e.jpg |
| 23:53.45 | Shirik | Please tell me the difference between these two commands and why the second worked... |
| 23:54.32 | Industrial | <totally unaware>are there slash commands for just mounting a random mount/letting a random minipet out</totally unaware> |
| 23:54.52 | Coren{de} | looks like small-c is not so much a drive letter for mklink :D |
| 23:55.03 | mikma | no, there aren't. and now someone tell that to the super-emo |
| 23:55.04 | Shirik | that wasn't it Coren{de} |
| 23:55.04 | amro | yep |
| 23:55.05 | mikma | he has me ignored |
| 23:55.15 | Lunessa | Shirik: c:\ vs C:\ |
| 23:55.19 | alestane | Industrial: Not stock, but addons like Livestock and BlazingSaddles can add them. |
| 23:55.20 | Shirik | I've already tried to duplicate that problem, that's not it |
| 23:55.27 | Shirik | I removed the junction and recreated it with c:\ |
| 23:55.41 | Industrial | alestane: hmm ok |
| 23:55.45 | Shirik | there's only one really strange thing I notifced |
| 23:55.51 | Lunessa | Shirik: beats the hell out of me. |
| 23:55.51 | Shirik | when I pushed "up" which should go to the last command |
| 23:56.01 | Shirik | it gave me mklink /J "C:\Program Files (x86)\MATLAB" |
| 23:56.03 | Shirik | Not the rest |
| 23:56.45 | Coren{de} | well, it all looks very Vista-ish, so... could be all sorts of stupid stuff :> |
| 23:56.54 | amro | Shirik: windows wasn't in a good mood the first time around |
| 23:58.14 | Lunessa | Shirik: invisible character in your command line? |
| 23:58.42 | amro | it be them gremlins again |
| 23:59.24 | Coren{de} | I'd blame UAC.. did you click on some other "totally unrelated" dialog in the meantime? :D |
| 23:59.33 | Shirik | notice at the top it says "Administrator |
| 23:59.35 | Shirik | and no |
