| 00:00.00 | cbreak | _that_ was inefficient :) |
| 00:00.10 | cbreak | one texture per pixel |
| 00:00.12 | cbreak | now I use one texture per straight line |
| 00:00.52 | bnovc | how inefficient are we talking here |
| 00:01.07 | cbreak | try the addon if you want :) |
| 00:01.21 | cbreak | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8162-ArtPad.html |
| 00:01.33 | cbreak | it does use quite a bit of memory if you draw a lot |
| 00:02.34 | bnovc | ah actually that looks a lot like what i was trying to achieve, thanks |
| 00:02.53 | bnovc | one last question... i don't see the api definition for colors but it seems to be 0-1 .. does it still allow 255 colors? |
| 00:03.13 | zenzelezz | cbreak: so you shouldn't use it to try to send your raid group pixel-perfect nude pictures of night-elves? |
| 00:03.33 | bnovc | shit |
| 00:03.39 | bnovc | thats what i wanted to do!... except blood elves |
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| 00:03.45 | cbreak | zenzelezz: not if you don't want to get kicked from the server |
| 00:03.54 | cbreak | there's a bw limit :) |
| 00:04.03 | cbreak | bnovc: it's a float |
| 00:04.08 | cbreak | sometimes |
| 00:04.14 | zenzelezz | it doesn't throttle? |
| 00:04.27 | cbreak | my addon doesn't, but it only supports drawing |
| 00:04.36 | cbreak | so you can paint pictures in vectors |
| 00:04.40 | bnovc | cbreak: right, but does it interpret all the colors |
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| 00:05.02 | cbreak | my addon only supports six colors |
| 00:05.11 | cbreak | no idea how many wow does support |
| 00:05.17 | cbreak | it's probably 8 bit per color |
| 00:05.33 | cbreak | but lua only uses floats as numbers, so of course you have 32 bit per color |
| 00:05.56 | cbreak | (of those 32, a few are used for the mantissa of course, so not useful for precision) |
| 00:05.59 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 00:06.04 | cbreak | or did I mix something up? |
| 00:06.44 | zenzelezz | lua> 1/256 |
| 00:06.44 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: 0.00390625 |
| 00:07.03 | cbreak | well, anyway, floats should be plenty for 8 bit :) |
| 00:07.04 | bnovc | cbreak: right, i was just hoping that it mapped to all the colors but i'll try it out thanks |
| 00:07.04 | zenzelezz | they can probably be expressed relatively accurately |
| 00:07.19 | bnovc | cbreak: oh they are but they represent a lot higher depth |
| 00:09.23 | cbreak | instead of 32 bit per pixel you get 128 bit (four floats) per pixel. |
| 00:09.34 | cbreak | well... per color |
| 00:10.52 | bnovc | ya but unfortunately my monitor, operating system, and all others on earth don't map to that :( |
| 00:11.34 | cbreak | my OS can use floats |
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| 00:11.50 | cbreak | OpenGL uses floats as one of it's formats |
| 00:12.01 | cbreak | glColor4f for example |
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| 00:31.52 | kd3 | hokay. think my conn's finally stable |
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| 00:45.25 | Lunessa | ~staple kd3 |
| 00:45.25 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples kd3 quite well, and hands kd3 to lunessa |
| 00:47.40 | Lopeppeppy | ~staple lunessa |
| 00:47.41 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples lunessa quite well, and hands lunessa to lopeppeppy |
| 00:52.17 | NightHawkTheSane | "blizzfully"? |
| 00:52.41 | End | filled with essence of blizz |
| 00:52.58 | shadowfaux | eewww |
| 00:54.37 | Lopeppeppy | Hey. Dinos do it sideways, watch for the teeth. |
| 00:55.15 | mikma | why can't there be a simple 'function WaitAMoment(time)' builtin wow :P |
| 00:55.45 | Lopeppeppy | BotBotBotBot Bot... |
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| 00:56.34 | mikma | in this case i need text to stay on screen for a moment, and then fade away. really don't wan't to do onupdate-stuff for that |
| 00:58.12 | NightHawkTheSane | im sure there's a lot of things you dont WANT to do |
| 00:58.40 | mikma | touching you is one of them! |
| 00:58.49 | kd3 | c'mon 24 hours from now |
| 00:58.55 | kd3 | want the goddamn election ads to be over |
| 00:58.59 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: yeah i get that a lot |
| 00:59.22 | mikma | kd3: who will win? |
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| 00:59.45 | kd3 | mickey mouse |
| 00:59.56 | kd3 | that's who I wrote in... >.> |
| 01:00.04 | Lopeppeppy | *poke* |
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| 01:01.14 | Syzgyn | kd3 amen to that. I'm fucking tired of automated messages telling me who to vote for. |
| 01:01.42 | kd3 | yay for only having a cell phone. have yet to get a robo call |
| 01:01.50 | kd3 | talk about major illegal moves there... |
| 01:01.57 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 01:01.59 | mikma | what the hell? |
| 01:02.09 | mikma | automated calls telling to vote? :D |
| 01:02.22 | Syzgyn | I dont listen to em |
| 01:02.24 | cbreak | vote for kuchinich! he looks funy |
| 01:02.33 | kd3 | "Hi, this is <candidate #3840484>. Please vote for me on November 4." |
| 01:02.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn|afk: get my PM? ;) |
| 01:02.37 | Syzgyn | They start with 'This is so and so, on behalf of so and so' |
| 01:02.43 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Get my PM? |
| 01:02.44 | Shirik | ;) |
| 01:02.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: nope |
| 01:02.54 | Syzgyn | ScytheBlade1: Get my cookies? |
| 01:02.57 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:03.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: also nope |
| 01:03.15 | Syzgyn | The mailman musta eated them! |
| 01:04.40 | Lopeppeppy | Nom nom nom. |
| 01:05.13 | Syzgyn | Or maybe Lopeppeppy ate the mailman AND the cookies! |
| 01:06.11 | Thunder_Child | no comment |
| 01:06.31 | Syzgyn | Goddamn buying glass bottles is kinda expensive :( |
| 01:08.48 | Shirik | omnomnomnom |
| 01:09.20 | Shirik | I has cookies!~ |
| 01:09.30 | cbreak | Syzgyn: just buy them with contents :) |
| 01:10.02 | cbreak | or take old bottles out of the recycling bins |
| 01:10.06 | Syzgyn | cbreak: I need them to put stuff in though |
| 01:10.16 | NightHawkTheSane | drink said contents. :p |
| 01:10.16 | cbreak | if that is acceptable and available in your country |
| 01:10.22 | cbreak | exactly |
| 01:10.34 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik... *laugh* |
| 01:10.43 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:10.46 | Shirik | what? |
| 01:10.48 | Syzgyn | I want em to look somewhat nice too, and to be the right size |
| 01:11.17 | Lopeppeppy | You made me laugh. I've had a craptastic day, and you made me laugh. *hugs* I adore you for it. |
| 01:13.05 | Shirik | I had a crappy day too |
| 01:13.05 | Shirik | but tomorrow is crappier |
| 01:13.14 | mikma | CreateFrame('Frame'):SetScript('OnUpdate', OnUpdate) .. didn't know that's possible |
| 01:13.17 | kd3 | patch tomorrow |
| 01:13.46 | Syzgyn | kd3: confirmed? |
| 01:13.54 | kd3 | I've already got the patch downloaded |
| 01:13.59 | Syzgyn | Yessssssssssss |
| 01:13.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: does it have to be? basic math says they're ought to be |
| 01:14.05 | cbreak | mikma: looks quite normal. But calling your function OnUpdate is not a good idea |
| 01:14.17 | cbreak | and you might want to store the frame you just created for later access |
| 01:14.17 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: wait what? |
| 01:14.25 | cbreak | like, when you want to unregister OnUpdate |
| 01:14.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: they've been saying "patch before expansion" all along. release is on nov 13th. It seems a bit silly to do it -3- days before then, leaving only tomorrow. |
| 01:15.12 | Syzgyn | You never know :P |
| 01:15.30 | NightHawkTheSane | true, which is why i said 'ought to' and not 'will be' :p |
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| 01:15.55 | Lunessa | kd3: live or beta? |
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| 01:15.56 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 01:16.01 | kd3 | live |
| 01:16.04 | kd3 | http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/ |
| 01:16.27 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, tomorrow will also be crappier, as I'm forced to do whatever someone else thinks I should do. Fun. |
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| 01:17.01 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: You can spend the day with me instead. *wink* |
| 01:17.20 | cbreak | you could drug someone else for a day. |
| 01:17.29 | cbreak | with something non-lethal preferably |
| 01:17.45 | Shirik | At least you don't have to do something you know you're going to get yelled at for |
| 01:18.08 | Lopeppeppy | I probably will anyway, Lunessa... *grin* |
| 01:18.09 | cbreak | omg shirik... you plan to vote for McCain?! :) |
| 01:18.13 | Shirik | ... no |
| 01:18.16 | Shirik | I already voted a week ago |
| 01:18.20 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I was almost fired today. That's a lot of yelling. |
| 01:18.36 | Shirik | If it makes you feel any better, you can always work for me :D |
| 01:18.57 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. I didn't know you could afford your own personal baker, Shirik! *grin* |
| 01:19.04 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you are a saint in wolf's clothing. |
| 01:19.38 | Lunessa | Ahem. I'm both a Sinner and a Saint. Flip the dial and see which side you're on. ;) |
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| 01:24.08 | Lopeppeppy | Later, dear. *grin* I'm going to go have dinner now, see you guys tomorrow. |
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| 01:25.38 | NeoTron | hmm "We just don't want to add more pet classes [...]" - except unholy DK's? |
| 01:25.56 | cbreak | frost mage power! |
| 01:26.06 | cbreak | with the glyph I'll have 50% pet uptime |
| 01:26.24 | cbreak | (controllable pet, not like those trees the owlkins use) |
| 01:26.29 | cbreak | or death knights? |
| 01:26.53 | NeoTron | that's what I said.. unholy DK's have permapets |
| 01:27.02 | NeoTron | controllable at that (and don't even need that many points) |
| 01:27.15 | NeoTron | it's perferctly possible to make a blood/unholy+permapet build for example |
| 01:27.36 | NightHawkTheSane | would that even be optimal for raiding though? |
| 01:27.46 | NeoTron | it could be |
| 01:27.51 | Lunessa | I don't see why not. |
| 01:27.56 | NeoTron | gargoyle + permapet is significant dps |
| 01:28.10 | NeoTron | in fact gargoyle seems superior to DRW in general |
| 01:28.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm kinda fuzzy on the trees to be sure what you'd lose in blood, so it was an honest question |
| 01:28.33 | cbreak | gargoyle? |
| 01:28.33 | NeoTron | you lose dancing rune weapon and the additional dmg (10% I believe) when you're over 70% health |
| 01:28.37 | cbreak | I thought it was a zombie |
| 01:28.52 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: two different talents |
| 01:30.13 | NeoTron | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVh0IsfoxzhZZf0hhxckL0o something similar to this |
| 01:30.18 | NeoTron | cbreak: 21 pt unholy |
| 01:30.47 | NeoTron | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=49206 to be exact |
| 01:31.51 | cbreak | looks like a non-channeled blizzard |
| 01:31.55 | cbreak | and not a real pet |
| 01:32.05 | NightHawkTheSane | thats more or less what it is |
| 01:32.24 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, so i guess the question would be, is the extra uptime on the pet + gargoyle + Impurity better than blood gorged + drw. Hmm. |
| 01:32.32 | NeoTron | it's a dps timer |
| 01:32.38 | cbreak | hmm... or is it single target? |
| 01:32.42 | NeoTron | single target |
| 01:32.54 | NeoTron | it attacks your target for up to a minute |
| 01:32.55 | cbreak | my water elemental is also a dps timer |
| 01:33.05 | NeoTron | but requires a lot of runic power to use (400 for full duration or so? |
| 01:33.32 | cbreak | (with minor cc) |
| 01:33.53 | NightHawkTheSane | 400 RP + 10 RP initial cost to have it up for 1m, yes |
| 01:34.33 | cbreak | hmm... it's quite low in the tree |
| 01:35.26 | NeoTron | right it's very low |
| 01:35.42 | NeoTron | and based on my testing on a dummy, it contributes more damage than DRW |
| 01:35.53 | NeoTron | however I will have to raid with it to really see how it does |
| 01:36.24 | cbreak | the only dk I played (up to level 58) was frost. |
| 01:37.06 | NeoTron | I expect to try various builds once I get into raiding |
| 01:37.14 | NeoTron | eventually I'll try DW builds too (Frost) |
| 01:37.15 | bleeter | and while I'm ranting (again) about Oceanic realms. I love the only official word from Blizz staff to Oceanic players and their concerns in the past 4 months or more. 'First.' Yup, that's great customer relations. |
| 01:37.19 | NeoTron | but not until I get reasonbly good gear |
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| 01:37.51 | bleeter | Whoever's supposed to be the CM for Oceania needs to be fired for being a complete slacker and ignoring the community. |
| 01:38.09 | cbreak | at least you have CMs :) |
| 01:38.58 | bleeter | i'd rather have no CMs than a CM whose only ever words to their community was in response to 'will blues ever post to us' with a 'first' |
| 01:39.34 | bleeter | was amusing in the first week, months later it's the joke that oceanics know they are |
| 01:41.08 | cbreak | you sure it was a cm and not one of those /b/ idiots who stole the password? |
| 01:43.48 | bleeter | WOOTS |
| 01:43.50 | bleeter | finally |
| 01:44.29 | Lunessa | Had I know you were from the bottom half of the world I'd have gotten it sooner. |
| 01:44.51 | bleeter | i'm on the top half, it's you who is upside down and backwards |
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| 01:45.49 | cbreak | you live on the surface of a geoid... |
| 01:46.08 | Lunessa | keep bleating little sheep, you'll get sheared soon enough. |
| 01:57.57 | bleeter | Lunessa: to paraphrase AoN, 'No one was ever sure whether the spites with which Bleeter armed his volatile senibilities were activated by a savage insensitivity, or by the holy egoism of genius.' :P |
| 01:58.13 | End | screw you server! |
| 01:58.15 | Lunessa | AoN? |
| 02:08.46 | Elessdy | ah, my poor kitty came out with poo on his butt :P |
| 02:09.43 | Corrodias | add cleaning a cat's butt to my list of things that aren't awesome |
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| 02:29.48 | mikma | so, i want to do a function like this: SetTimer(2, function() ChatFrame3:AddMessage("lol hai!") end) . now the timer part is working nicely, but what the heck do i have to do for the function so it will understand all that crap after the 2 ? |
| 02:31.05 | mikma | loca myfunction; local function SetTimer(time,function); myfunction = function .. and later pcall(myfunction) just throws a horrible error on me |
| 02:31.26 | malreth | don't use 'function' as a argument lable |
| 02:31.28 | malreth | label |
| 02:31.32 | malreth | it's a keyword |
| 02:31.51 | bnovc | cbreak: bug on line 509! |
| 02:32.03 | cbreak | hmm? :) |
| 02:32.18 | mikma | malreth: dear lord, thanks, now that was easy ^^ |
| 02:32.32 | Adys | precommanded dvds of wotlk are sent a day earlier, right? |
| 02:33.09 | mikma | malreth: http://mikma.pastey.net/100601 |
| 02:33.48 | bnovc | cbreak: if oldY and oldY |
| 02:33.54 | bnovc | one should probably be oldX i bet |
| 02:34.05 | cbreak | yes, thanks :) |
| 02:34.13 | cbreak | that bug won't materialize though :) |
| 02:34.37 | bnovc | well i'm just hacking away at your code atm |
| 02:34.50 | cbreak | you can use it as much as you want if you want |
| 02:34.54 | cbreak | it's public domain |
| 02:35.47 | bnovc | that's too bad i wish it was licensed |
| 02:35.52 | bnovc | :) |
| 02:36.03 | cbreak | you can license it :) |
| 02:36.18 | Lunessa | Don't you guys know it's impossible to kill a licensed product? |
| 02:36.48 | cbreak | hmm? I didn't license it |
| 02:36.55 | cbreak | I just released my code into public domain |
| 02:37.09 | cbreak | so everyone can take it and put what ever license on it. |
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| 02:40.17 | cbreak | it might be different if I used libraries |
| 02:40.33 | cbreak | which might be licensed under the GPL or similar, and force me to use that license too |
| 02:41.27 | Lunessa | cbreak: I was making a joke. |
| 02:41.48 | cbreak | I obviously didn't get it :) |
| 02:42.06 | cbreak | was just checking Wowace. All projects I looked at so far are not licensed at all |
| 02:42.52 | cbreak | so it is technically illegal to download and use them. or at least to provide them as download |
| 02:45.06 | cbreak | hmm... ace2 itself is gpl2, so due to it's transitiveness, all other projects that use it have to be gpl2 too. |
| 02:45.28 | cbreak | no, I am wrong, it's lgpl |
| 02:53.45 | cbreak | I guess most addon authors just don't care about it |
| 02:57.04 | ckknight | not licensed = all rights reserved, except that they provide curse with the ability to redistribute as stipulation for hosting there |
| 02:58.10 | cbreak | that means no right to use them. |
| 02:58.27 | cbreak | (ot) http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_Page seems quite impressive. |
| 02:58.50 | ckknight | http://www.curse.com/content/TermsofUse.aspx under User Submissions |
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| 03:00.28 | Lunessa | AnduinHaxLothar. |
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| 03:01.09 | cbreak | ckknight: that looks mostly to ensure that curse can operate as it does |
| 03:01.14 | ckknight | lol: An Ceiling Cat sayed, Beholdt, teh good enouf for releaze as version 0.8a. kthxbai. |
| 03:02.01 | Lunessa | Wait, shouldn't that be a GTFO? |
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| 03:10.05 | cbreak | http://www.lolcatbible.com/images/7/7d/Exod20.jpeg (I knew it) |
| 03:11.39 | mikma | U kno thoes two cats over dere? Theyr momma dun kno who iz baby daddy. |
| 03:12.23 | mikma | i shouls really read bible at some point in mh life |
| 03:12.42 | mikma | just to see how nuts the writers have been |
| 03:12.55 | mikma | horrible tpyos |
| 03:12.56 | Lunessa | mikma: Whole lot of begatting going on |
| 03:13.14 | mikma | whats begatting |
| 03:14.25 | Lunessa | begat - gave birth or caused to be born. |
| 03:15.43 | mikma | anyone has 1 perfect word to describe bible? |
| 03:16.35 | cbreak | old |
| 03:16.53 | cbreak | is there an adjective with the meaning of "burns well"? |
| 03:17.01 | mikma | crispy? |
| 03:17.18 | mikma | oh |
| 03:17.21 | mikma | flammabke |
| 03:17.25 | mikma | le* |
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| 03:21.43 | mikma | digmouse: with 1 word, how would you describe bible? |
| 03:22.07 | Lunessa | mikma: If I was going to use one word to accurately describe the bible to all people, it'd be this: "heavy." |
| 03:22.16 | digmouse | nah?... "Unknown" |
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| 03:22.28 | mikma | lul |
| 03:22.48 | mikma | lunessa: how about "Boring"? |
| 03:23.02 | digmouse | U think a chinese born at 1988 would totally understand what is "Bible"? |
| 03:23.18 | mikma | yes |
| 03:24.22 | digmouse | actually I have one bible... |
| 03:24.31 | digmouse | and it's heavy, I swear |
| 03:24.31 | mikma | unix bible? |
| 03:27.14 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/wulff/1053/20081104.gif |
| 03:27.36 | NightHawkTheSane | I somehow doubt one of the most read books in the world qualifies, at all, as "unknown" |
| 03:30.10 | digmouse | NightHawkTheSane: if you are born in China you wont |
| 03:30.26 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, you probably will. china is no stranger to christianity |
| 03:32.01 | digmouse | but for most ppl at my age, they would probably only know the word "bible" but havent read one line of it |
| 03:35.01 | Lunessa | Still, the most widely read and purchased book like ... ever. |
| 03:37.01 | cbreak | because it's old |
| 03:37.11 | cbreak | and countless monks spent their days in the dark ages copying it |
| 03:37.22 | Lunessa | I debated between dense and heavy. |
| 03:37.35 | cbreak | it's not that dense |
| 03:37.43 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU're not that dense |
| 03:38.24 | cbreak | I am not sure what the average density of a human is. |
| 03:38.40 | Lunessa | dense - have you seen the typeface in most editions? |
| 03:38.42 | NightHawkTheSane | somewhere between stupid and retarded. ;) |
| 03:39.49 | digmouse | seriously, I choose "black", cuz the one at my hand is black :D |
| 03:40.23 | cbreak | maybe around 1000 kg/m^3 |
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| 04:24.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Quote from another channel: http://pastey.net/100606 |
| 04:35.32 | cog|away | kd3: <3 u rong tiem if you add the answer to http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065155014&sid=1 to your patch day sticky |
| 04:39.42 | kd3 | k, updated |
| 04:40.10 | kd3 | "I installed my new addons but they're not showing up!" |
| 04:40.13 | kd3 | post #1 |
| 04:40.29 | cog|away | <3 |
| 04:41.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I really do like these new DPS/healing/tanking forums... but reading the DPS forum makes me... I may develop blood pressure problems in the near future |
| 04:43.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Just reading the board index is both impressive and scary at the same time |
| 04:44.21 | cog|away | sometimes i feel guilty playing my rogue |
| 04:44.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Why's that? |
| 04:44.34 | cog|away | esp after the patch |
| 04:44.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Aren't you mostly a melee guy? |
| 04:44.54 | cog|away | i feel imba :P |
| 04:44.57 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 04:45.02 | ScytheBlade1 | What level is your rogue at? |
| 04:45.07 | cog|away | 67 |
| 04:45.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh, deck him out in S4 at 70 and -then- you'll be imba |
| 04:45.50 | cog|away | her |
| 04:45.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Or S5 at 80... |
| 04:45.55 | ScytheBlade1 | s/him/her/ |
| 04:46.03 | cog|away | Cognitowheel |
| 04:46.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 04:46.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Got a laugh out of me, I won't lie |
| 04:47.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Then again, this is coming from the guy with alts named "Sboo" "Sboz" "Sbank" "Sbanker" "Sbankz" "Sboat" "Sship" and more |
| 04:47.48 | cog|away | the rest of mine aren't nearly as clever... |
| 04:48.04 | ScytheBlade1 | You can probably do better than the "Sbo" --> "Sboo" though :P |
| 04:48.05 | cog|away | Shadowcog, Cogsmule, Coglight |
| 04:48.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Shadowcog is good, Coglight is a bit weaker but not too much |
| 04:48.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Cogsmule will likely never leave the capital cities so that doesn't matter ;) |
| 04:49.03 | cog|away | Cogsmule is in the guild Bank Alts |
| 04:49.21 | ScytheBlade1 | My bank alts are in their own guild, <Trade Federation> |
| 04:49.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Complete with uniform and guild tabard |
| 04:49.35 | ScytheBlade1 | (And 6-tab bank) |
| 04:49.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I've probably put as much money into that as I have into my main, ha |
| 04:53.10 | Arrowmaster | my bank alt guild is <Banker> |
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| 05:05.06 | Yssaril | there any mods that tell you what you still need to explore in each zone? |
| 05:05.29 | NightHawkTheSane | the achievement pane and the default map both do that |
| 05:05.58 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: :P somthing that combines the two in an easy to read frame :) |
| 05:07.30 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* i honestly had no problems between the standard achievement tracker and opening up my map |
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| 05:16.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha. Class balance, mages, Obama, and Ghostcrawler mix! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065385112&sid=1 |
| 05:16.06 | ScytheBlade1 | For... about seven posts |
| 05:18.20 | kd3 | hokay... wiki patch notes are updated and match the shipped patch notes for 3.0.3 |
| 05:22.59 | kd3 | odd that they're shipping a patch almost 30 builds ahead of what's on beta atm |
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| 05:40.07 | Lothaer | anyone know if its possible to change key assignments in healbot? |
| 05:42.40 | NightHawkTheSane | ultimately, yes. just a matter of how much work it is, i guess :p |
| 05:43.43 | Lothaer | cheers i found the option :D |
| 05:44.16 | drac | Before i start dumping tons of time into this, does anyone know if there has been a mod been developed for 3.0 for Cost/Damage Efficiency and dps( IE DrDamage or TheoryCraft) |
| 05:45.42 | NightHawkTheSane | not that i know of, but you might look into updating drdamage instead of making your own mod. |
| 05:47.44 | drac | ya, i'll try that first. |
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| 06:16.52 | Dreagar | Heya folks |
| 06:22.30 | Adys | "From what i've heard you will not get xp for quests that are marked "complete" in your log before xpack after wotlk comes out. You cannot save completed quests in your log and then turn them in after you install the expansion." |
| 06:22.35 | Adys | Any idea if this is true? |
| 06:29.21 | Corrodias | i don't see why it would be... but i have no evidence either way |
| 06:30.35 | End | I think I've heard of people copying their chars over to beta and getting some easy exp |
| 06:30.51 | Tekkub | 222272... this really instills confidence in the auth token |
| 06:31.15 | End | funny, that's the combination on my luggage! |
| 06:31.43 | Corrodias | copy my character to the beta immediately. and change the combination on my luggage! |
| 06:39.02 | Tekkub | Pally question! what seal do most prot pallies use? |
| 06:49.23 | Corrodias | vacuum seal |
| 06:51.48 | ccox | harbor seal |
| 06:51.56 | Dreagar | minwax |
| 06:52.16 | Corrodias | club seal |
| 06:53.44 | Dreagar | WOHoOO! i uploaded my first mod to the wowi site just now. :) |
| 06:54.30 | Dreagar | and now. i must sleep. :) |
| 06:54.37 | Dreagar | my work here is done. |
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| 07:02.05 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't know what was sadder... the fact that someone in my BG was speedhacking, or the fact that the rest of my team was condoning it |
| 07:03.40 | Tekkub | did you win? |
| 07:04.07 | Neuro_Medivh | yes... it was my teammate that was speedhacking |
| 07:04.25 | Tekkub | okey, cause I was gonna say, if you lost, THAT is what's sad |
| 07:04.57 | Neuro_Medivh | well, I evened the odds... I grabbed the flag before he could and let the enemy cap twice (to match the speedhacker's 2 caps) then I ran the flag legit the last time |
| 07:05.10 | Tekkub | whateva |
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| 07:05.48 | Neuro_Medivh | it was you wasn't it Tekkub? You've used your coding powers for evil! |
| 07:05.56 | Tekkub | I don't pvp |
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| 07:11.57 | Tekkub | huzzah my hardware shipped |
| 07:13.53 | ulikemysong | hurray |
| 07:14.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ill ship YOUR hardware |
| 07:14.25 | ulikemysong | me same |
| 07:14.32 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, I could use another GiB of DDR2 1066 |
| 07:14.34 | Tekkub | thanks |
| 07:14.52 | Shirik|Ghost | Question |
| 07:14.56 | ulikemysong | ffs my uplaod ram module dont work anymore |
| 07:15.13 | Shirik|Ghost | If you had an evil professor, do you think he would make you memorize opcodes? Ex. Load = 1001? |
| 07:15.16 | Shirik|Ghost | for a test? |
| 07:15.28 | ulikemysong | hmm |
| 07:15.36 | ulikemysong | dunno |
| 07:15.47 | ulikemysong | but maybe |
| 07:15.56 | ulikemysong | for exemple |
| 07:16.04 | Tekkub | I assume they're binary? |
| 07:16.07 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:16.16 | ulikemysong | ah |
| 07:16.16 | Tekkub | memorize them in order |
| 07:16.25 | Shirik | Granted there's only 16 operations |
| 07:16.26 | ulikemysong | good idea |
| 07:16.29 | Tekkub | then write em down in that order on the test and convert to binary |
| 07:17.13 | ulikemysong | *shuts tfu* |
| 07:17.19 | ZorbaTHut | iterating over all achievements is annoyingly slow :( I wish the achievement events gave more useful info |
| 07:17.36 | ulikemysong | bout wat ? |
| 07:17.50 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut, it can't be that slow |
| 07:18.01 | ZorbaTHut | about which criteria actually got updated |
| 07:18.07 | Shirik | The insane amount of math I do with Auctioneer runs in about a millisecond |
| 07:18.11 | Shirik | what are you trying to do |
| 07:18.23 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, it's slow enough that if you try to do it in a single frame, it causes noticable flicker. I suspect it may be due to the huge number of API calls needed |
| 07:18.28 | Tekkub | ye probably has to "select" it and wait for the update event to fire |
| 07:18.29 | ZorbaTHut | (well, jerk, not flicker) |
| 07:18.54 | Shirik | I would blame your code before the number of API calls, tbh |
| 07:18.57 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, as near as I can tell, the update events fire no matter whether things are selected, but there's no way to tell what's being updated |
| 07:19.53 | Tekkub | *shrug* I've never touched the achievement code, but I'm gonna side with Shirik |
| 07:19.54 | ZorbaTHut | there's a few spots I can optimize, but not order-of-magnitude optimizations. I may have to split it up among several frames |
| 07:21.04 | ZorbaTHut | I'll post the code if you like, perhaps there's something I'm not aware in Lua which is causing the problem |
| 07:21.09 | Shirik | sure |
| 07:21.25 | Tekkub | that's what we're here for.. just don't take it personally |
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| 07:22.12 | ZorbaTHut | http://lua.pastey.net/100625 pretty sure it doesn't depend on anything outside that function |
| 07:22.53 | Tekkub | first 4 lines I already don't like |
| 07:23.07 | Tekkub | you create 3 tables and a closure every time you call that |
| 07:23.10 | Shirik | this is done on every update? |
| 07:23.17 | Shirik | Yeah I was about to say what Tekkub said |
| 07:23.31 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, every time the achievements are updated in some fashion. are three tables and a closure honestly going to cause a noticable framerate hitch? :P |
| 07:23.35 | Tekkub | two more takes for every id |
| 07:23.55 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, adding a table recycling thing is something I was considering, but I find it hard to believe that's the majority of the CPU |
| 07:23.56 | Tekkub | it's going to create a lot of garbage, yes |
| 07:23.57 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut, depends on how often that function's called |
| 07:24.14 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, no, it doesn't - what I'm saying is, if the function is called *once*, the framerate hiccups. |
| 07:24.14 | Tekkub | recycling won't save you :P |
| 07:24.59 | Shirik | I wonder... |
| 07:26.14 | Shirik | but yes |
| 07:26.19 | Shirik | why are you regenerating that closure every time? |
| 07:26.37 | ZorbaTHut | because it was slightly easier to code at the time, and because I doubted it would be a serious efficiency problem. |
| 07:27.40 | Tekkub | is GetCategoryList your function or blizzy's? |
| 07:28.40 | ZorbaTHut | Blizz's |
| 07:28.56 | ZorbaTHut | I don't believe there are any functions in that chunk of code that aren't WoW API calls. |
| 07:29.10 | ZorbaTHut | (obviously besides the ones I'm making in that chunk of code) |
| 07:29.54 | ZorbaTHut | moving the closure out of there does not result in noticably improved runtime. |
| 07:30.10 | Shirik | GetPreviousAchievement? |
| 07:30.15 | Shirik | !api GetPreviousAchievement |
| 07:30.15 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetPreviousAchievement' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPreviousAchievement |
| 07:30.33 | Tekkub | http://gist.github.com/22097 |
| 07:30.37 | Tekkub | result: .53sec |
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| 07:31.05 | Shirik | ok first thing that needs to be done is localize that |
| 07:31.15 | Tekkub | so I'd say, only update that which you really care about |
| 07:31.23 | Shirik | do one thing first |
| 07:32.07 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, sadly, I care about all the achievements |
| 07:32.07 | Shirik | can you put a local GetCategoryList, GetAchievementInfo, GetAchievementNumCriteria, GetAchievementCriteriaInfo = GetCategoryList, GetAcheivementInfo, GetAchievementNumCriteria, GetAchievementCriteriaInfo |
| 07:32.14 | Shirik | put that before the loop |
| 07:32.18 | Shirik | see what the improvement in speed is? |
| 07:32.22 | Tekkub | do you care about all of them all the time? |
| 07:32.38 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, I'm not convinced that'll give me any kind of speed boost, but sure, gimme a min |
| 07:32.52 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, technically, I only care about them when they change. But yes, I care about them all changing, all the time. |
| 07:32.57 | Shirik | Was more for Tekkub since he already has the timing code done :) |
| 07:33.09 | ZorbaTHut | fair 'nuff :) |
| 07:33.10 | Shirik | But ZorbaTHut, it will. Globals are slow |
| 07:33.13 | Shirik | Locals are free. |
| 07:33.24 | ZorbaTHut | for reference, on the character I'm trying, it's ~650 achievements and ~2500 criteria |
| 07:33.27 | Tekkub | same time Shirik |
| 07:33.36 | Shirik | how many iterations is it doing? |
| 07:33.45 | Tekkub | *shrug* |
| 07:33.48 | ZorbaTHut | it's one pass over the entire thing. |
| 07:34.20 | Shirik | And there's no way to figure out wtf updated so you don't have to recheck everything? |
| 07:34.21 | Tekkub | 2439 |
| 07:34.26 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, not that I've found |
| 07:34.26 | Tekkub | yea, I hate to say it |
| 07:34.33 | Tekkub | but stop scanning everyting |
| 07:34.33 | Shirik | 2439 at the most inner loop? |
| 07:34.33 | ZorbaTHut | the only useful messages don't have parameters. |
| 07:34.43 | Tekkub | what exactly do you need them ALL for anyway? |
| 07:34.50 | Tekkub | yes Shirik |
| 07:35.09 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, I'm writing Questhelper. I want to be able to add achievements. As such, I need to track where the achievements are completed. |
| 07:35.31 | ZorbaTHut | Some achievements don't have useful locational info, but the majority do, and I don't have any way to determine which are which besides looking at each one manually. |
| 07:35.43 | Tekkub | when they are COMPLETED? |
| 07:35.43 | Shirik | is it necessary to have that information immediately? |
| 07:35.50 | Tekkub | dude, watch for the chat complete message |
| 07:36.10 | Tekkub | the "summary" page has to update too, see what it does |
| 07:36.18 | ZorbaTHut | actually, when progress is made on them |
| 07:36.38 | Shirik | I refuse to believe that this can be this hard |
| 07:36.47 | ZorbaTHut | which has no message I've been able to find besides CRITERIA_UPDATE |
| 07:36.53 | Shirik | If I get a bad grade on this test, it's your fault |
| 07:37.17 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, as soon as possible, it seems like immediate isn't practical - I'll have to spread the achievement scanning over multiple frames, I suspect. |
| 07:37.21 | Thunder_Child | http://buttons.cafepress.com/item/not-tonight-dear-i-have-a-button/69588338 |
| 07:37.32 | krka | make a coroutine for it :) |
| 07:37.37 | ZorbaTHut | krka, yeah, that's the plan |
| 07:37.40 | ZorbaTHut | but it'll be a bitch. |
| 07:37.51 | ZorbaTHut | I'll probably put it off until I've got the rest of the infrastructure working. |
| 07:37.53 | Shirik | I was about to say that krka |
| 07:38.00 | Shirik | Get out of my brain :( |
| 07:38.06 | krka | not really, just insert a few yields, and have your onupdate resume it until you reach your pain threshold |
| 07:38.15 | ZorbaTHut | I was hoping it just wouldn't be necessary, but |
| 07:38.25 | krka | tbh, it's the easiest way |
| 07:38.31 | krka | that way you don't have to remember states and stuff |
| 07:38.48 | ZorbaTHut | the easiest way would be for it to be fast enough that a coroutine wasn't necessary ;) |
| 07:39.54 | ZorbaTHut | it brings up a few other annoying issues, such as whether I should be calling the notification callbacks during the coroutine or afterwards. if I'm calling them afterwards, they're unnecessarily delayed, and if I'm calling them during, it complicates the update procedure somewhat (I can't just generate a second DB, compare the two, and replace the original, since calls to retrieve the DB would get the old version after callbacks have been |
| 07:39.54 | ZorbaTHut | sent out) |
| 07:40.04 | ZorbaTHut | it's all solvable, it's just kind of argh. |
| 07:40.10 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 07:40.12 | Shirik | I broke devtools |
| 07:41.35 | Shirik | it's probably because I'm 3 versions out of date |
| 07:41.35 | Shirik | go me |
| 07:41.36 | ZorbaTHut | wonder if I could get enough speed by simply ignoring entire categories that I know I won't get useful info out of. it'd destroy the usefulness of the plugin for general purposes, but, eh, screw general purposes. |
| 07:42.45 | Tekkub | CRITERIA_UPDATE fires with no args... |
| 07:42.48 | Tekkub | that's shitty of them |
| 07:42.51 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, yep. |
| 07:42.54 | Tekkub | bitch at blue |
| 07:43.07 | Tekkub | scanning everything is *way* out of the question here |
| 07:43.07 | ZorbaTHut | first thing I tried, after tracking down the event in the first place, which took some work ;) |
| 07:43.51 | Tekkub | till then, I'd just set up an OnUpdate that queries one at a time |
| 07:43.58 | Tekkub | when the event fires show your frame |
| 07:44.05 | Tekkub | when it's done scanning, hide |
| 07:44.08 | Shirik | well how do they update the quest tracking frame? |
| 07:44.20 | Shirik | obviously they don't scan everything |
| 07:44.21 | Tekkub | They save which one they're tracking |
| 07:44.26 | Shirik | ah |
| 07:44.26 | Tekkub | and qury it |
| 07:44.41 | Shirik | so why can't we do that here again? I'm not familiar with QuestTracker |
| 07:44.57 | Tekkub | because he wants to know what changed |
| 07:45.01 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, because I'm not tracking individual achievements, I'm trying to gather information on where achievements are being completed |
| 07:45.08 | Tekkub | he's not watching one achievement |
| 07:45.12 | Shirik | oh right |
| 07:45.14 | ZorbaTHut | and someone may not have an achievement officially tracked when he completes it (in fact, he's likely not to) |
| 07:45.15 | Shirik | you're always on all achievements |
| 07:45.23 | ZorbaTHut | yup. |
| 07:45.25 | Shirik | unlike quests |
| 07:45.33 | Tekkub | you know, this is going to sound stupid, but why do you want that info |
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| 07:45.44 | Tekkub | most achievements aren't like quests and can be done anywhere |
| 07:45.51 | Shirik | what's the easiest way to progress on an achievement, hmmm |
| 07:46.00 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, yeah, I'm sort of poring over the list to see which I can give useful information on |
| 07:46.02 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.20 | Tekkub | the only "fixed" ones I can think of are the books |
| 07:46.23 | ZorbaTHut | partly it's just that I'd much rather not spend lots of human time checking individual achievements for suitability |
| 07:46.29 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, kill critter that drops gold, loot critter |
| 07:46.36 | ZorbaTHut | there's a "looted gold from corpses" achievement. |
| 07:46.57 | ZorbaTHut | (this obviously is not a useful one to gather info on.) |
| 07:47.08 | Tekkub | oh and the "buy a mount in dalaran" ones |
| 07:47.19 | ZorbaTHut | I'm also thinking I might be able to get useful info from the achievement type, I categorized a few of them |
| 07:47.35 | |pez| | I love achievements. |
| 07:47.35 | ZorbaTHut | and if I do some clever stuff with listing the most common types that I *can't* track, that might solve most of the issue. |
| 07:48.10 | Tekkub | yea looking through the list, I don't see where location of sub-objective completion is really useful |
| 07:48.12 | ZorbaTHut | plus, some I don't care about because I can gather info in other ways - I don't need to know where someone was when they got the "Kill a Rare Monster" criteria, I just need to know where the rare monster spawns. |
| 07:48.25 | ZorbaTHut | it can be. /love, for example, if I can't get the creature ID out easily |
| 07:48.29 | Tekkub | and definitely not useful enough to warrant this much hastle to find the info out |
| 07:48.58 | ZorbaTHut | exploration of zones, rare monster kills, rare fish |
| 07:49.30 | ZorbaTHut | dungeons and raids, in the sense that it'll at least give me the coordinate of the dungeon entry point |
| 07:49.38 | Tekkub | exploration doesn't need location at all, you just go discover the xone |
| 07:49.54 | Tekkub | rare kills makes no sense since you can kill *any* rare to get it |
| 07:49.56 | |pez| | I got full Zangarmash yesterday! |
| 07:49.58 | ZorbaTHut | fishing in nodes, that'll be fun too |
| 07:49.59 | Tekkub | as for fish, not too sure there |
| 07:50.01 | |pez| | and 54 quests completed there. XD |
| 07:50.06 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, there's a second followup which is "kill all the rares" |
| 07:50.15 | Tekkub | really though, why not just look shit up on wowhead? |
| 07:50.17 | ZorbaTHut | that's the hard one. :) |
| 07:50.34 | ZorbaTHut | because it's Questhelper, which is a plugin based around not making you look shit up on wowhead. |
| 07:50.59 | Tekkub | so why not pick out the few achievements where exact coords would be useful, and make an addon that maps it out for you? |
| 07:51.17 | ZorbaTHut | 'cause then I have to go through and check achievements manually, and I'm lazy, and I like automated things. |
| 07:51.29 | ZorbaTHut | I'm liking the idea of adding an achievement-type blacklist though. |
| 07:51.36 | Tekkub | yea but the mass mojaory of them don't have any use for coords |
| 07:51.50 | Tekkub | so why not hand-do the few that do |
| 07:51.50 | ZorbaTHut | wonder how practical that is. time to do some data mining to see. |
| 07:52.05 | ZorbaTHut | because, as mentioned previously, I'm lazy, and I like automated things. |
| 07:52.25 | ZorbaTHut | doing it by hand means I have to do more stuff by hand whenever new achievements are added. |
| 07:52.32 | ZorbaTHut | doing it automatically means that it just plain works. |
| 07:52.42 | |pez| | And... that's the fun part, that you have to do stuff. |
| 07:55.56 | Tekkub | I just realized something... |
| 07:56.20 | Tekkub | "not that often" and "there's a "looted gold from corpses" achievement." |
| 07:56.26 | Tekkub | *cough* |
| 07:57.03 | Shirik | New question |
| 07:57.18 | ZorbaTHut | yes, when you count the percentage of frames during which gold is looted, the number is quite low. ;) |
| 07:57.36 | Shirik | Why can't we go back to the coroutine idea? |
| 07:58.03 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, oh, we can, I'm just kind of hoping to avoid it. |
| 07:58.18 | Shirik | because... |
| 07:58.33 | Shirik | We've identified the hotspot |
| 07:58.42 | ZorbaTHut | because it will be complicated and annoy me, and burn a lot of CPU that I'd rather use for Questhelper than for constantly polling achievements ;) |
| 07:58.43 | Shirik | there isn't much that can be done there |
| 07:59.00 | Tekkub | I still say only a few of them need coords, scanning is not the ideal solution |
| 07:59.02 | Shirik | I don't see that it should be that complicated. It's like 2 extra lines |
| 07:59.05 | ZorbaTHut | I may go with the event type blacklist |
| 07:59.05 | Tekkub | and with that I'm out :P |
| 07:59.33 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, if you can implement that in two lines, I'll be impressed ;) |
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| 07:59.41 | Shirik | prepare to be impressed |
| 07:59.49 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.05 | ZorbaTHut | also, note that if it takes more than two or three seconds, it needs to send out the update messages as it determines that achievements have changed |
| 08:00.33 | ZorbaTHut | that code is not included there since it wasn't related to the speed issue, but if it ends up coroutined, it'll need to be interlaced with the coroutine |
| 08:00.46 | ZorbaTHut | it essentially complicates the whole shebang noticably. |
| 08:01.12 | Shirik | http://lua.pastey.net/100627-1dwb:100625-3cxt |
| 08:01.17 | Shirik | Unless you consider end)(); a line |
| 08:01.21 | Shirik | then it's 3 |
| 08:01.42 | Shirik | whoops |
| 08:01.44 | Shirik | sorry, take that back |
| 08:01.54 | ZorbaTHut | well, now the question is, how many frames does it take to run? |
| 08:02.12 | ZorbaTHut | and does it produce a significant framerate reduction during that? |
| 08:03.17 | Tem | best tauren dk name ever |
| 08:03.18 | Tem | Moograine |
| 08:03.19 | Shirik | 3 lines http://lua.pastey.net/100628-129o:100625-3cxt |
| 08:03.32 | Shirik | That's something for you to figure out ZorbaTHut |
| 08:03.39 | Shirik | The fact that I wrote that in 3 lines does not mean it SHOULD be done in 3 lines |
| 08:03.44 | Shirik | You should write it more intelligently |
| 08:03.52 | Shirik | there is a lot of stuff that can be improved there |
| 08:06.05 | ZorbaTHut | such as? |
| 08:06.15 | ZorbaTHut | and will it give me actual performance gains? |
| 08:06.27 | Shirik | Depends on how you define performance |
| 08:06.30 | Shirik | If you mean framerate, yes |
| 08:06.45 | Shirik | Such as? I'm creating a new closure every time you call that function right now |
| 08:06.52 | Shirik | That's horrible |
| 08:07.30 | ZorbaTHut | I already fixed that, and it didn't result in any framerate boost :P I don't think closures are so slow that creating a single one is a significant speed drop |
| 08:07.45 | Shirik | Uh |
| 08:07.49 | Shirik | You are asking the wrong question |
| 08:07.53 | Shirik | You're asking "Why not do this" |
| 08:07.56 | Shirik | I'm asking "Why do this" |
| 08:08.06 | Tekkub | agreed |
| 08:08.09 | ZorbaTHut | no, the question I'm asking is "how can I make it faster" |
| 08:08.09 | Shirik | I could add "for x = 1, 50000 do end" everywhere in my code |
| 08:08.14 | Shirik | Does that mean I should? |
| 08:08.27 | ZorbaTHut | your're answering with "this might make it a tiny amount slower!" and I'm saying "is that actually the problem?" |
| 08:08.29 | Tem | Steakmourne |
| 08:08.44 | ZorbaTHut | you're not actually telling me what the problem is, however, just guessing at minor issues that turn out to not be the problem :P |
| 08:08.53 | Shirik | I never said it was "the" problem |
| 08:08.56 | ZorbaTHut | there's tons of ways I can clean it up. I just don't enjoy changing code for the sake of changing code. |
| 08:08.57 | Shirik | I said it was "a" problem with my code |
| 08:09.07 | Shirik | I would never write code like that "just so I can do it in 3 lines" |
| 08:09.11 | Shirik | I was merely pointing out it can be done |
| 08:09.28 | Shirik | The time it takes to generate the closure is not the real problem |
| 08:09.32 | Shirik | it's the garbage it creates |
| 08:10.05 | ZorbaTHut | does the garbage result in a significant CPU or memory hit from a single call? |
| 08:10.40 | Shirik | Once again, you're asking the wrong questions |
| 08:10.43 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, as I said, I've already fixed it. but I'm looking for the *actual core issue* here, not a bunch of fringe microsecond-per-call optimizations. |
| 08:11.37 | Shirik | Can you answer me this? |
| 08:12.11 | Shirik | nm that's not important |
| 08:12.19 | Shirik | But Tekkub does raise an interesting point |
| 08:12.27 | ZorbaTHut | also, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that coroutine change actually not solve the problem? |
| 08:12.37 | Shirik | The 4881 tables you generate every call is indeed a problem |
| 08:12.40 | ZorbaTHut | since it still never returns from the function until the process is done |
| 08:12.42 | Shirik | Correct, ZorbaTHut :) You need one more line |
| 08:13.10 | Shirik | don't actually need one more line |
| 08:13.13 | ZorbaTHut | yes, I'm thinking that might be an issue, though I don't know how big of one. 4881 tables should not take a noticable amount of time but lua isn't really renowned for being speedy |
| 08:13.14 | Shirik | you need to change the last line |
| 08:13.28 | Shirik | Correction: Should not take a noticable amount of time to create |
| 08:13.34 | Shirik | I'll agree with that |
| 08:13.47 | Shirik | The creation time is not important |
| 08:13.54 | Tekkub | 3729 tables actually |
| 08:13.58 | Tekkub | and a closure :) |
| 08:14.06 | Tekkub | nothing scary there at all |
| 08:14.13 | Shirik | Think of this |
| 08:14.36 | Shirik | For every entity, Lua has to go and determine if something else is still referencing it |
| 08:14.51 | Shirik | For every table, Lua has to go into it for every other entity to see if it is inside that table (weak tables excepted) |
| 08:15.01 | Shirik | And this is done continuously |
| 08:15.38 | Shirik | There won't be any noticable reduction in framerate because the garbage collector is spread out over time. However the rate at which garbage collection is performed will be dramatically reduced |
| 08:15.46 | Shirik | Is this a problem? Not if your addon is the only one installed, probably |
| 08:15.46 | ZorbaTHut | at the moment, I'm not concerned about that, as the giant chunk of CPU used during update is a more pressing and immediate problem |
| 08:15.57 | Shirik | However if there are other addons running it will likely be a problem |
| 08:16.05 | Tekkub | 131.125 KiB per call |
| 08:16.24 | Shirik | Ok ZorbaTHut, then I can give you a 3 line solution that addresses your CPU problem at the cost of making a new frame every call |
| 08:16.29 | ZorbaTHut | meh, insigificant amount of memory there |
| 08:16.32 | Shirik | given your coding standards it shouldn't be a problem |
| 08:16.42 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, go for it (though I have to head AFK for a few minutes, picking up a friend) |
| 08:16.46 | Tekkub | (burn) |
| 08:17.05 | ZorbaTHut | be back in a few |
| 08:17.31 | Tekkub | to put in perspective... |
| 08:17.49 | Tekkub | the time spent in blizzy's API: .54s |
| 08:18.00 | Shirik | lua> function a() end function b() print "ok" end; a() or b(); |
| 08:18.01 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'or' |
| 08:18.06 | Tekkub | time spent allocating and deallocation that memory: .18s |
| 08:18.35 | Shirik | lua> function a() end function b() print "ok" end; local a = a() or b(); |
| 08:18.35 | lua_bot | Shirik: ok |
| 08:18.38 | Shirik | That's stupid |
| 08:18.43 | Shirik | the "local a =" doesn't even DO anything |
| 08:19.28 | Shirik | http://lua.pastey.net/100629-26ai:100625-3cxt |
| 08:19.30 | Shirik | There you go |
| 08:19.35 | Shirik | 3 lines to solve your problem |
| 08:19.47 | Shirik | not to mention it's an additional closure and frame every call |
| 08:20.04 | Shirik | p.s. to anyone watching: Please never write code like this |
| 08:20.09 | Shirik | And don't think that I do >< |
| 08:20.32 | Tekkub | lol, my retard guild is planning to do BT |
| 08:20.43 | Shirik | fun! |
| 08:20.46 | Shirik | Going to join them? |
| 08:20.49 | Tekkub | mind you, I just hit 70, and I'm better geared than the two tanks I've seen so far |
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| 08:21.00 | Tekkub | fuck no |
| 08:21.12 | Wobin | hm |
| 08:21.12 | Shirik | no? Sounds like it will be an entertaining experience |
| 08:21.18 | Wobin | Do I reheat a frozen dinner |
| 08:21.20 | Wobin | Or go downstairs to the cafe |
| 08:21.25 | Tekkub | these people are trying to get me to install vent |
| 08:21.29 | Tekkub | not for raiding |
| 08:21.34 | Tekkub | for guild chit-chat |
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| 08:21.39 | Tekkub | fuck that |
| 08:21.43 | Wobin | I don't mind that at times |
| 08:21.47 | Wobin | Just don't log in =P |
| 08:21.55 | Tekkub | no, they NEVER talk in guild |
| 08:21.55 | Shirik | OH! |
| 08:22.02 | Wobin | Or be a "My mic doesn't work" type player |
| 08:22.04 | Tekkub | the few time I've seen them type... 13yo's |
| 08:22.04 | Shirik | Not to mention, ZorbaTHut |
| 08:22.10 | Shirik | The code I just wrote is not deterministic |
| 08:22.22 | Doow | sounds like you should get yourself a new guild =) |
| 08:22.23 | Shirik | As frames are NEVER GCed, this code will eventually cause Lua to run out of memory |
| 08:22.33 | Shirik | granted it will probably take a while |
| 08:22.34 | Shirik | but it will |
| 08:22.43 | Wobin | So, anyway |
| 08:22.45 | Tekkub | if you only create a frame when an update happens... |
| 08:22.53 | Tekkub | and updates happen any time gold is looted... |
| 08:22.58 | Tekkub | I really don't see the problem |
| 08:23.01 | Tekkub | I have 2GiB |
| 08:23.05 | Tekkub | I CAN TAKE IT |
| 08:23.09 | Shirik | Can you do it forever? |
| 08:23.14 | Wobin | "That's what -he- said!" |
| 08:23.17 | Doow | sounds very deterministic to me, it'll definately cause lua to run out of memory |
| 08:23.22 | Shirik | ~lart Doow |
| 08:23.22 | purl | slaps Doow upside the head with a wet fish |
| 08:23.28 | Doow | =) |
| 08:24.02 | Doow | Mmm.. fish... *drool* |
| 08:24.41 | Tekkub | lets see... how much memory you think a frame takes? |
| 08:25.16 | Arrowmaster | didnt we determine you could crash wow by making too many frames? |
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| 08:25.43 | Tekkub | less, I got about 900MiB free currently... |
| 08:25.49 | Shirik | a basic frame? 74 bytes in Lua |
| 08:25.54 | Shirik | but aren't they lightuserdata |
| 08:25.56 | Shirik | I think so |
| 08:25.58 | Tekkub | if someone loots say once a minute... |
| 08:26.01 | Shirik | so Lua has no idea how big it is unfortunately |
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| 08:26.17 | Tekkub | and I can pay attention for maybe 4 hours.. |
| 08:26.27 | Tem | Tekkub, die |
| 08:26.38 | Tekkub | as long as frames aren't ove 3.75MiB I'm good to go |
| 08:26.41 | Shirik | Tekkub, 4 hours is not impotant |
| 08:26.51 | Shirik | how many hours does it take to get from 70 to 80? |
| 08:26.53 | Wobin | I'll say =P |
| 08:26.59 | Shirik | There will be people that stay up all that time |
| 08:27.01 | Shirik | because they're insane |
| 08:27.02 | Doow | Shirik: =) |
| 08:27.07 | Tekkub | I don't care about them |
| 08:27.10 | Shirik | rofl |
| 08:27.10 | Tekkub | I care about me |
| 08:27.23 | Tekkub | I'm fine if they segfault and die at 74 |
| 08:27.28 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 08:27.32 | Tekkub | that'll make em blink and maybe go take a piss |
| 08:28.07 | Shirik | I think I'm going to go get some crunch berries |
| 08:29.27 | Tekkub | there is something totally hippy-critical about "dude u ugys r lazy" |
| 08:29.37 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:29.51 | Tekkub | this is what *does* get said in my shitty guild |
| 08:30.11 | Shirik | and you are in this guild why? |
| 08:30.45 | ZorbaTHut | okay, back |
| 08:31.00 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, as I understand it, you've written code that not only fails to return the right value, but leaks in the process :P |
| 08:31.02 | Tekkub | I don't know, I was happy being guildless |
| 08:31.15 | Tekkub | they'll piss me off soon enough |
| 08:31.15 | Shirik | ah I forgot you were returning data |
| 08:31.21 | Shirik | Redesign then :P |
| 08:31.27 | zenzio | they probably had a tabard!! and one gbank slot!! |
| 08:31.45 | Arrowmaster | eww |
| 08:31.55 | ZorbaTHut | your helpfulness is outmatched only by your humility. |
| 08:31.55 | Tekkub | oh you know you're turned on |
| 08:31.59 | Tekkub | it's free lube |
| 08:32.26 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut, fact of the matter is you're refusing to make a change after the problem has been identified by saying "it's too hard" |
| 08:32.38 | Shirik | No matter how many times you say "it's too hard" it's going to remain that way at least until a patch |
| 08:32.39 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not refusing, I just haven't made it yet. I'm still mulling over other possibilities |
| 08:32.58 | ZorbaTHut | the other possibilities include the aforementioned culling of the most common achievements that I actually can't gather useful information on |
| 08:33.15 | ZorbaTHut | you, meanwhile, have vacillated between insults, namecalling, and example code which is alternately ineffectual and broken. |
| 08:33.17 | Tekkub | s/a patch/you convince Blue it needs fixed/ |
| 08:33.33 | Tekkub | ZorbaTHut... |
| 08:33.33 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut, I should point out that I never give out code |
| 08:33.41 | Tekkub | what did I say about not taking shit personally? |
| 08:33.41 | Shirik | Despite the fact that it's wrong, admittedly |
| 08:33.44 | Arrowmaster | they still havent unlocaled COMBATLOG for me yet have they? |
| 08:33.50 | Tekkub | I do believe that was the very first disclaimer |
| 08:33.53 | ZorbaTHut | I do appreciate the suggestions, but really, there's many better ways to go about it. |
| 08:34.12 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, I'm not taking it personally, I'm just kind of amused by how the conversation has gone :P |
| 08:34.15 | zenzio | no-one's forcing you to do it any particular way |
| 08:34.20 | zenzio | you've been asking for input |
| 08:34.35 | ZorbaTHut | zenzio, yeah, and I've gotten good input, from some sources |
| 08:34.49 | Shirik | So on that note, obviously the last hour of my life has been wasted and I'll go back to studying for this test |
| 08:35.00 | zenzio | and you expect it to continue if you show this sort of feedback to those who tried? |
| 08:35.01 | ZorbaTHut | input that confirms that the issues I thought existed do, in fact, exist, but that's sort of what I expected. |
| 08:35.20 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut, the only issues I've confirmed to exist are the ones I've been showing you from the beginning |
| 08:35.32 | Shirik | And now you agree with me and tell me my code is horrible because of it? |
| 08:36.02 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, the issues that were confirmed were that there was no better way to track which criteria changed, and I wasn't doing anything blatantly wrong to cause the performance issue I was seeing |
| 08:36.02 | Shirik | _I_ said my code was horrible |
| 08:36.10 | Lonny`afk | *irony* |
| 08:36.27 | ZorbaTHut | there's a difference between "hacky", which mine is, and "fails to actually solve the problem" |
| 08:36.45 | Tekkub | except I also confirmed that, though not *as* bad, your use of tables and closure is an issue |
| 08:36.57 | ZorbaTHut | what I'm saying is that your three-line fixes didn't actually solve the problem, which is what I said I'd be impressed if they did. I *know* that coroutines are somewhat complicated. |
| 08:36.59 | Tekkub | it's just 1/5 as costly and spread out over GC :P |
| 08:37.09 | Shirik | An issue? I think you proved it by noting that 25% of the speed problem is caused by his garbage |
| 08:37.10 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, yeah, and that's not final code either. I try to fix the big problems first :) |
| 08:37.42 | Tekkub | and I still say the biggest problem is not the code at all, but the intended feature :P |
| 08:37.59 | ZorbaTHut | did you discover that much time is spent in creating tables? 'cause I was thinking about benchmarking that, but hadn't gotten there yet |
| 08:38.06 | Shirik | For christ's sake |
| 08:38.13 | Shirik | do you read anything I say? Or have you thrown it all out the window |
| 08:38.23 | Tekkub | GCing them actually, allocation is fairly cheap |
| 08:38.31 | Tekkub | I say it Shirik :P |
| 08:38.43 | Shirik | I give up |
| 08:38.52 | Tekkub | *saw |
| 08:38.52 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, I do, I'm just at the point where I am largely throwing it out the window since it really isn't helpful. where did you get 25% from, for example? |
| 08:39.04 | Shirik | from Tekkub's numbers |
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| 08:39.39 | Tekkub | "his speed problem" isn't caused by the garbage though |
| 08:39.40 | ZorbaTHut | well, once again, did tekkub discover that as hard numbers? 'cause I didn't think that was a real number, just a comment about it being slow (which I know) |
| 08:39.48 | Tekkub | that a speed problem *later* |
| 08:40.07 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's what I thought :) |
| 08:40.13 | ZorbaTHut | and that is coincidentally also when I'd fix it :D |
| 08:40.37 | Tekkub | <Tekkub> the time spent in blizzy's API: .54s |
| 08:40.37 | Tekkub | <Tekkub> time spent allocating and deallocation that memory: .18s |
| 08:40.48 | ZorbaTHut | ah, interesting, missed that |
| 08:41.10 | Tekkub | creating littlerally thousands of tables is bad, period |
| 08:41.18 | ZorbaTHut | oh, I see, it was right after I left :D |
| 08:41.20 | Shirik | That doesn't include the time it adds to the GC while attempting to flag |
| 08:41.23 | ZorbaTHut | okay, useful numbers there |
| 08:41.25 | Shirik | s/flag/mark/ |
| 08:41.41 | Shirik | because you have a side-effect performance drop on all other data members |
| 08:41.48 | Tekkub | yea that was *only* GCing those tables, a real GC is bound to take even longer |
| 08:42.23 | Shirik | but that's not important here |
| 08:42.32 | Arrowmaster | wait, am i reading this pastey correctly? |
| 08:42.38 | Tekkub | oh no |
| 08:42.42 | Arrowmaster | this function calls itself in a loop? |
| 08:42.43 | Tekkub | now arrow's in on it too |
| 08:42.44 | Shirik | I'm convinced the design is the problem. A redesign would fix both issues, I think |
| 08:42.54 | Shirik | I need to go get some crunch berries |
| 08:42.55 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, I don't believe so, no |
| 08:43.25 | Tekkub | Shirik, well the raw API calls are costly as is |
| 08:43.27 | ZorbaTHut | I defined a local function inside it for reasons which no longer really apply (it's moved out in the latest version). that function is called in a loop, and it can also call itself recursively |
| 08:43.32 | Shirik | I admit that Tekkub |
| 08:43.35 | Tekkub | it needs to be designed aroung that fact |
| 08:43.40 | Shirik | A redesign would resolve that :) |
| 08:43.42 | Tekkub | which it wasn't |
| 08:44.06 | Tekkub | learning how to not waste tables is a different matter entirely |
| 08:44.46 | Arrowmaster | ok yeah, was just the indenting messing me up |
| 08:44.53 | Arrowmaster | silly 2 space indent |
| 08:44.53 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'm aware that wasting tables is bad. it just wasn't really important for a first-shot to see if the overall idea could work |
| 08:45.13 | Tekkub | learning to indent is yet another issue |
| 08:45.20 | ZorbaTHut | which, as it turns out, it can't without some significant changes, which neatly demonstrates why I'm a fan of rapid prototyping :) |
| 08:45.28 | ZorbaTHut | I rather like 2-space indenting, myself. |
| 08:45.40 | Tekkub | so set your editor for that and use tabs |
| 08:45.43 | Tekkub | end of issue |
| 08:46.24 | Tekkub | stupid mac hippies |
| 08:46.33 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut: It occurs to me you don't follow a software design process? |
| 08:46.46 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* it's a debate. I've used both, I eventually settled on spaces. |
| 08:46.50 | Shirik | This statement worries me: (03:44:52) (ZorbaTHut) yeah, I'm aware that wasting tables is bad. it just wasn't really important for a first-shot to see if the overall idea could work |
| 08:46.54 | Tekkub | who needs design when you know what you want to do |
| 08:47.22 | Arrowmaster | meh i never design stuff first, i just code |
| 08:47.33 | Tekkub | if I spent tim eDESIGNING things I'd only have like 40 addons! |
| 08:47.37 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 08:47.41 | Tekkub | *snicker* |
| 08:47.46 | Shirik | you guys sound like my mechanical team... |
| 08:47.52 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, at this point I'm honestly just laughing at you :P but yes, I suppose you're correct, I tend to do minimal designs. |
| 08:47.55 | Shirik | They're very angry with us because we're "wasting time" planning |
| 08:48.09 | Tekkub | honestly, I spent all last night before I fel asleep designing SealClubber |
| 08:48.10 | Shirik | Funny thing is we're ahead of schedule and last thing they turned in was done at 5AM the day it was due |
| 08:48.17 | Tekkub | today it took me like 30min to write |
| 08:48.22 | Shirik | strange how planning seems to keep you on track / |
| 08:48.23 | Shirik | :/ |
| 08:48.30 | Tekkub | it took me longer than that to fall asleep |
| 08:49.09 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut: I could care less for your opinion of me to be honest. I follow my own path. |
| 08:49.21 | Shirik | Why do you think I have a factoid specifically for me failing |
| 08:49.42 | Tekkub | because whatshisface is a dick? |
| 08:49.52 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, *shrug* so do I, so, y'know, there we have it :) |
| 08:49.54 | Shirik | well that's another reason |
| 08:49.54 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:49.58 | Arrowmaster | ~factinfo failrik |
| 08:49.58 | purl | failrik -- created by Cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> at Mon Mar 17 17:36:58 2008 (231 days); it has been requested 172 times, last by ccox, 1d 8h 11m 36s ago. |
| 08:50.06 | Shirik | what?! |
| 08:50.10 | Tekkub | http://github.com/tekkub/sealclubber/tree/master/SealClubber.lua |
| 08:50.10 | Shirik | I went a whole day without it being used? |
| 08:50.11 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 08:50.18 | Shirik | nice! |
| 08:50.29 | Cairenn|afk | you need something sweet & chill :p |
| 08:50.47 | Tekkub | now don't get those confused |
| 08:50.49 | Shirik | I think this test is stressing me out |
| 08:50.55 | Tekkub | while mine can go in your mouth... |
| 08:50.55 | Shirik | not to mention last day to drop classes is tomorrow |
| 08:51.01 | Shirik | and I'm trying to figure out whether or not I should |
| 08:51.08 | Tekkub | the other way around will likely give you a yeast infection |
| 08:52.58 | Shirik | Okay, question for anyone who feels like taking this up |
| 08:53.24 | Tekkub | http://code.google.com/p/tekkub-wow/issues/detail?id=647 |
| 08:53.27 | Tekkub | *sigh* |
| 08:53.45 | Tekkub | he finds the gcode link, yet misses the "feedback and questions" one |
| 08:54.26 | Tekkub | "I'm too lazy to install it and try it out, but I'll write 4 paragraphs, so you should give me screenshots |
| 08:56.11 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/100636 |
| 08:56.12 | Shirik | Is that right? |
| 08:56.24 | Shirik | It doesn't seem right to me |
| 08:56.43 | Tekkub | PIPLINIG! |
| 08:56.52 | Tekkub | that reminds me, I need to do laundry |
| 08:56.57 | Shirik | .... what? |
| 08:57.01 | Shirik | how? |
| 08:57.08 | Tekkub | ? |
| 08:57.14 | Shirik | how the hell did that remind you about laundry |
| 08:57.27 | Arrowmaster | were talking about Tekkub, never ask |
| 08:57.32 | Tekkub | you mean they DIDN'T use the laundry example to explain it? |
| 08:57.52 | Tekkub | doing laundry is like, the fundamental example of piplining |
| 08:58.27 | Shirik | uh |
| 08:58.32 | Shirik | well |
| 08:58.36 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue |
| 08:58.42 | Shirik | half the reason I'm stressing over this class is that I haven't been to the class in about 4 weeks |
| 08:58.45 | Shirik | so I wouldn't really know |
| 08:58.52 | Tekkub | oh |
| 08:58.57 | Arrowmaster | ive never taken any formal programming classes |
| 08:58.59 | Tekkub | machine languages? |
| 08:59.07 | Tekkub | or processor design |
| 08:59.07 | Shirik | computer architecture |
| 08:59.12 | Tekkub | or whatever they call it |
| 08:59.15 | Tekkub | that's it |
| 08:59.19 | Tekkub | I loved that class |
| 08:59.25 | Tekkub | one of the few good ones |
| 08:59.37 | Shirik | A lot of it I already know, and I can't stand the professor |
| 08:59.38 | Shirik | so... |
| 08:59.46 | Tekkub | I never went to class |
| 08:59.51 | Tekkub | <-- total self learner |
| 09:00.03 | Tekkub | I just need projects, which is where I falter |
| 09:00.10 | Shirik | I literally had someone in the class teach me the stuff in about 2 hours that they've been doing for 2 months |
| 09:00.15 | Shirik | THERE IS NO REASON TO GO THAT SLOW |
| 09:00.21 | Tekkub | nope |
| 09:00.28 | Tekkub | except that you pay them |
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| 09:00.49 | Tekkub | well, you pay them if you pay off your student loans *innocent* |
| 09:00.55 | Shirik | hell, I'm not paying |
| 09:01.04 | Shirik | they're paying me to go to school |
| 09:01.09 | Shirik | if they want to take longer, by all means be my guest |
| 09:01.16 | Tekkub | then they fail at piplining your brain |
| 09:01.38 | Arrowmaster | meh student loans |
| 09:01.58 | Tekkub | speaking of fail, UPS needs to deliver my shit already |
| 09:02.31 | Tekkub | "IN TRANSIT TO COMMERCE CITY, CO, US" IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH |
| 09:02.35 | Shirik | You know what's awesome about this class though? |
| 09:03.03 | Tekkub | just watch, it'll be in communist city in a few hours, and they still won't deliver it till thursday |
| 09:03.05 | Shirik | Questions like this: "Write a set of instructions to compute X = (a+b*c)/(d+e*f) using a zero-address machine |
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| 09:03.13 | Shirik | I answer it with "How would this be done in Lua?" |
| 09:03.16 | Tekkub | I fucking hate UPS |
| 09:03.28 | Shirik | hell, I can even check my work with luac -l - |
| 09:03.37 | Tekkub | "you ordered 3 day, by god we'll make sure it takes 3 days" |
| 09:03.41 | Shirik | lol |
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| 09:04.09 | Tekkub | fedex from the TN warehouse when I was in AR, one day |
| 09:04.20 | Tekkub | then they switch to UPS... 3 days every fucking time |
| 09:04.37 | Shirik | maybe cladhaire knows the answer |
| 09:04.44 | cladhaire | oro? |
| 09:04.48 | Tekkub | and the even better one, UPS would leave shit on my doorstep instead of at the apt office |
| 09:04.51 | Shirik | is this right? http://wowi.pastey.net/100636 |
| 09:05.25 | cladhaire | dunno |
| 09:05.29 | cladhaire | and too tired to sit down and figure out |
| 09:05.34 | Shirik | :( |
| 09:06.43 | Tekkub | UPS fails again: http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3002407740/ |
| 09:06.51 | Kalroth | The combination of B01 and C2 makes it hard for D3 and A0 to calculate manissa multiplications! |
| 09:07.26 | Shirik | ... huh? |
| 09:07.40 | Tekkub | I like cheese |
| 09:07.57 | Kalroth | What Tek said |
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| 09:19.14 | Shirik | Also, reverse polish notation is awesome |
| 09:23.23 | cladhaire | Would someone with a deDE client PLEASE try to help me with this.. I have no idea how in the world my code could be failing: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7017#comments |
| 09:24.37 | cladhaire | or really any client that uses the comma as a decimal separator |
| 09:24.46 | cladhaire | all I have access to right now it enUS and enGB |
| 09:25.31 | Shirik | cladhaire.... why are you doing it that way? |
| 09:25.36 | cladhaire | ... because |
| 09:25.39 | cladhaire | we went through this two days ago |
| 09:25.43 | cladhaire | string.format fails |
| 09:25.50 | Shirik | so why are you still using string.format is my real question |
| 09:26.03 | cladhaire | because I only look at the last two charactrs |
| 09:26.15 | Shirik | Why aren't you doing something like math.floor(xf*100) |
| 09:26.33 | cladhaire | because no suggested that when I asked for suggestions |
| 09:26.41 | Shirik | :( |
| 09:27.34 | Shirik | I don't have a good justification for why you're still having that problem |
| 09:27.41 | Shirik | however it just seems odd that you're still using that :) |
| 09:28.23 | cladhaire | understoof |
| 09:28.31 | cladhaire | but you were here when I posted all of this :P |
| 09:29.15 | Shirik | I know |
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| 09:47.32 | ZorbaTHut | clad, if you wanted a cheap hacky but pretty-guaranteeably-correct solution, just doing a basic search-and-replace to change , into . would almost do the trick |
| 09:48.17 | ZorbaTHut | lets you keep using string.format() to do the conversion to a string and fixes it from there. |
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| 09:50.24 | cladhaire | well, what i did shoudl have worked just as well |
| 09:50.48 | cladhaire | since xf is the fractional part, it would be 0x45 where x is SOME separator |
| 09:50.56 | cladhaire | so sub(3, -1) should be just the last two digits |
| 09:51.20 | cladhaire | but Shirik is right re: math.floor |
| 09:51.57 | Arrowmaster | the fact that its causing different output is the weird part |
| 09:52.01 | Shirik | Wasn't saying what you were doing shouldn't work, just saying a different solution |
| 09:52.03 | zenzio | there's something sad about seeing an application where almost every reply is a one-liner ending in ":D" |
| 09:52.09 | zenzio | *application post |
| 09:52.12 | Kalroth | zenzio :D |
| 09:53.27 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, yeah, that's why I'd just use the brute-force approach. the goal (as near as I can tell) is to end up with a string where the internationalized , is a . instead, I'd just do it the simple way |
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| 09:53.53 | cladhaire | well |
| 09:53.57 | cladhaire | I never know what its going to be |
| 09:54.05 | Arrowmaster | but the question is at what point is it being changed to a , |
| 09:54.05 | cladhaire | so doing it via maths and string concatenation is the "right" way to do it |
| 09:54.14 | cladhaire | considering its a BUG in wow's string.format |
| 09:54.18 | cladhaire | the original bug that is. |
| 09:54.30 | ZorbaTHut | oh, I thought it was just that internationalized strings don't necessarily use . as a divider |
| 09:54.38 | cladhaire | no its a bug |
| 09:54.43 | cladhaire | hence why this is a problem |
| 09:54.51 | ZorbaTHut | funky |
| 09:54.56 | cladhaire | string.format("%0.2f, %0.2f", 45, 61) returns 45.00, 61,00 |
| 09:55.01 | Arrowmaster | im not sure its a bug but more that wow is trying to be smarter than you |
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| 09:55.03 | cladhaire | note the difference :P |
| 09:55.09 | Lothaer | sup guys |
| 09:55.09 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: no, ^^ is a bug. |
| 09:55.34 | Arrowmaster | ive seen somebody say that . was getting changed to , in other stuff too |
| 09:55.43 | Arrowmaster | i think it was a :SetText |
| 09:55.44 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: It's inconsistently getting changed |
| 09:55.55 | Shirik | One would argue %0.2f should always give the same result |
| 09:56.10 | cladhaire | you miss the point Aro |
| 09:56.11 | Shirik | Be it comma or decimal point, whatever, but consistently should be the same |
| 09:56.22 | cladhaire | it is a bug, not open for discussion |
| 09:56.30 | cladhaire | %0.2f and %0.2f should always give the same result, especially in the same string |
| 09:56.57 | cladhaire | decimal separators aren't pick and choose, they're set by the locale and standard Lua handles this fine. |
| 09:57.17 | Doow | no matter the locale? I disagree, if you want the same behaviour you should set the same locale |
| 09:57.20 | cladhaire | [jnwhiteh@artificialtruth] /Users/jnwhiteh> lua -e 'print(string.format("%0.2f, %0.2f", 45, 61))' |
| 09:57.21 | cladhaire | 45.00, 61.00 |
| 09:57.26 | cladhaire | Doow: THE LOCALE IS ALREADYS ET |
| 09:57.30 | cladhaire | Listen |
| 09:57.43 | Doow | cladhaire: Then I Agree with you |
| 09:57.44 | cladhaire | string.format("%0.2f, %0.2f" 45, 61) should EITHER ouput 45.00, 61.00 OR 45,00, 61,00 |
| 09:57.46 | cladhaire | period. |
| 09:57.47 | cladhaire | always |
| 09:57.53 | cladhaire | there is no negotiation here |
| 09:57.55 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 09:58.03 | ZorbaTHut | clad, when I try that line, I get 45.00, 61.00 |
| 09:58.09 | ZorbaTHut | is it just an occasional thing? |
| 09:58.11 | Shirik | no |
| 09:58.13 | cladhaire | ZorbaTHut: "that line", on what client? |
| 09:58.21 | Shirik | enUS or enGB I would expect this |
| 09:58.26 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 09:58.33 | Arrowmaster | string.gsub(string.format("%0.2f, %0.2f", 45, 61), "%d(,)%d", ".") |
| 09:58.40 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: ... |
| 09:58.44 | Arrowmaster | what |
| 09:58.47 | cladhaire | you just do not want to listen |
| 09:58.49 | ZorbaTHut | TO(string.format("%0.2f, %0.2f", 45, 61)) on the live client ("TO" is just a little utility function to make textout easier) |
| 09:58.54 | ZorbaTHut | enUS |
| 09:58.54 | cladhaire | ZorbaTHut: which client |
| 09:58.57 | cladhaire | duh |
| 09:58.58 | Doow | Arrowmaster: that's a clunky workaround bound to fail on a number of strings |
| 09:58.59 | cladhaire | english uses . |
| 09:59.02 | cladhaire | use a eu client |
| 09:59.12 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: why would I try to use a bug that I know exists.. rather than using math and .. |
| 09:59.21 | cladhaire | that's what Shirik was saying earlier.. it makes no sense |
| 09:59.21 | ZorbaTHut | ah, so you're saying that's a bug in EU clients? Alright then, you didn't mention that originally. |
| 09:59.28 | cladhaire | ZorbaTHut: actually I did |
| 09:59.29 | Shirik | yes he did... |
| 09:59.30 | cladhaire | deDE |
| 09:59.35 | cladhaire | and non-english clients |
| 09:59.36 | cladhaire | both were specified. |
| 09:59.50 | Shirik | He specifically said that the problem was related to locale correction (or rather, the absence of it randomly) |
| 09:59.50 | krka | have you reported it to blizzard? |
| 09:59.55 | cladhaire | yes, I have |
| 09:59.58 | krka | cool |
| 10:00.08 | Lothaer | popular and ya Clad :D |
| 10:05.30 | Arrowmaster | cladhaire: so when you do string.format("%0.2f, %0.2f" 45, 61) on deDE its always 45.00, 61,00 right? |
| 10:06.24 | cladhaire | yes, but this is a bug |
| 10:06.24 | cladhaire | and i refuse to rely on a bug |
| 10:06.24 | cladhaire | so your solution doesn't "fix" the problem |
| 10:06.24 | cladhaire | it masks the problem |
| 10:06.24 | Arrowmaster | whats string.format("%0.2f, %0.2f, %0.2f" 45, 61, 94) give? |
| 10:06.24 | cladhaire | I have no idea |
| 10:06.25 | Shirik | part of the problem with this bug is he has no way of testing it |
| 10:06.27 | cladhaire | my language pack isnt fully downloaded yet. |
| 10:06.51 | Arrowmaster | just wondering if its like just the last one thats getting converted or if all but the first |
| 10:07.11 | cladhaire | It seems like it depends on the character that follows the f |
| 10:07.24 | krka | weird |
| 10:07.26 | krka | hmm actually |
| 10:07.34 | cladhaire | i.e. %0.2f, %0.2f, puts them both with decimal points |
| 10:07.37 | cladhaire | i.e. 45.00 61.00 |
| 10:07.41 | krka | it would be incorrect to use , for number separation |
| 10:07.51 | krka | i guess string.format detects the , and aborts the locale conversion |
| 10:07.59 | cladhaire | well that's not right |
| 10:08.03 | cladhaire | Lua does not do that, nor should WoW |
| 10:08.06 | krka | can't you do %sep or something? |
| 10:08.21 | krka | correct in de_DE would be: 45,00; 61,00 |
| 10:08.25 | krka | (and in swedish) |
| 10:08.30 | cladhaire | understood |
| 10:08.37 | cladhaire | but the fact that it aborts mid-string is a problem :P |
| 10:08.54 | krka | i don't think it aborts mid-string |
| 10:09.15 | cladhaire | all I know is that Lua does it right, and WoW fails |
| 10:09.17 | cladhaire | =( |
| 10:09.21 | krka | the rule is: if the next character is the same as the period character, use another period character |
| 10:09.31 | krka | maybe your lua is compiled with another libc |
| 10:09.36 | cladhaire | most likely, yes |
| 10:09.51 | krka | the windows libc-stuff probably has more weird locale behavior |
| 10:10.00 | krka | stuff that excel relies on :P |
| 10:10.04 | cladhaire | heheh |
| 10:10.16 | cladhaire | I want it to always be english based coordinates |
| 10:10.21 | cladhaire | so the math solution works |
| 10:10.34 | krka | yes, that's probably best |
| 10:11.07 | Arrowmaster | lua> tonumber("45,61") |
| 10:11.07 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nil |
| 10:11.28 | krka | i'd probably do: string.format("%s, %s", coordstr(x), coordstr(y)) |
| 10:11.37 | Arrowmaster | he is |
| 10:11.41 | cladhaire | lua> debug.setlocale("de_DE"); print(tonumber("45,61")) |
| 10:11.41 | lua_bot | cladhaire: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'debug' (a nil value) |
| 10:11.45 | cladhaire | lua> os.setlocale("de_DE"); print(tonumber("45,61")) |
| 10:11.45 | lua_bot | cladhaire: nil |
| 10:11.51 | cladhaire | lua> os.setlocale("de_DE", "number"); print(tonumber("45,61")) |
| 10:11.52 | lua_bot | cladhaire: luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'setlocale' (invalid option 'number') |
| 10:11.54 | cladhaire | boo |
| 10:12.02 | cladhaire | !api os.setlocale |
| 10:12.02 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'os.setlocale' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-os.setlocale |
| 10:12.17 | Arrowmaster | --> debug.setlocale("de_DE"); print(tonumber("45,61")) |
| 10:12.17 | batbot | Arrowmaster: @ [string "debug.setlocale("de_DE"); print(tonumber("4..."]:1: attempt to call field 'setlocale' (a nil value) |
| 10:12.21 | cladhaire | lua> os.setlocale("de_DE", "numeric"); print(tonumber("45,61")) |
| 10:12.22 | lua_bot | cladhaire: nil |
| 10:12.31 | cladhaire | ah setlocale doesn't change the PARSING of numbers |
| 10:12.32 | cladhaire | I think |
| 10:12.34 | Arrowmaster | --> os.setlocale("de_DE", "numeric"); print(tonumber("45,61")) |
| 10:12.34 | batbot | Arrowmaster: @ [string "os.setlocale("de_DE", "numeric"); print(ton..."]:1: attempt to call field 'setlocale' (a nil value) |
| 10:12.35 | cladhaire | its mentioned in PiL |
| 10:13.05 | Arrowmaster | so more hacking of lua thats wow specific? |
| 10:13.13 | cladhaire | The category "numeric" is a little tricky. Although Portuguese and other Latin languages use a comma instead of a point to represent decimal numbers, the locale does not change the way that Lua parses numbers (among other reasons because expressions like print(3,4) already have a meaning in Lua). Therefore, you may end with a system that cannot recognize numbers with commas, but cannot understand numbers with poi |
| 10:13.15 | Arrowmaster | im guessing |
| 10:13.15 | cladhaire | nts either: |
| 10:13.31 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 10:13.58 | krka | imo, _source code_ should always be locale independent |
| 10:14.14 | Arrowmaster | depends |
| 10:14.24 | Arrowmaster | ive seen some really good code obficuation |
| 10:14.29 | krka | tonumber should possibly be allowed to parse by locale, but probably only with an extra parameter |
| 10:14.35 | Arrowmaster | write it all in something like french |
| 10:16.17 | Wobin | You could googletranslate that |
| 10:16.26 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 10:16.27 | Wobin | the variables would be simple enough to translate well enough |
| 10:16.55 | Arrowmaster | i would love to see code written in one language run again after being put through a translator |
| 10:17.01 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 10:17.15 | Wobin | chinese would be an interesting language to use =) |
| 10:17.58 | Arrowmaster | heh that just made me remember what one of my guildmates said yesterday |
| 10:18.27 | Wobin | WÇ de qìdià nchuán zhuÄngmÇn le shà nyú ? |
| 10:18.34 | Shirik | ow |
| 10:18.49 | Shirik | my screen just asploded |
| 10:18.54 | Arrowmaster | said he was learning multipication tables by the age of 3, but the only problem is he learned all math in manderin |
| 10:19.07 | Arrowmaster | but he speaks cantonise |
| 10:19.11 | Wobin | so he had to translate all maths into chinese? =) |
| 10:19.25 | Arrowmaster | those are both chinese |
| 10:19.32 | Wobin | yes yes =P |
| 10:19.38 | Wobin | I -am- chinese =P |
| 10:19.54 | Wobin | however, I mentally see maths in english |
| 10:20.10 | Wobin | And cantonese and mandarin are different dialects |
| 10:20.11 | Shirik | I never can understand how bilingual people do it |
| 10:20.16 | Shirik | like |
| 10:20.22 | Shirik | do you think in mutliple languages? |
| 10:20.28 | Wobin | yes |
| 10:20.35 | Shirik | that's deep |
| 10:20.38 | Wobin | if I'm speaking chinese, I don't -think- in english |
| 10:20.57 | krka | i wish i was bilingual, that's a major advantage |
| 10:21.03 | Wobin | except with maths |
| 10:21.07 | krka | i only know swedish, and some english |
| 10:21.19 | Wobin | Your english is quite good |
| 10:21.27 | Wobin | fluent almost, I'd say |
| 10:21.34 | Wobin | that's not bilingual? =) |
| 10:22.03 | Doow | most swedes are pretty good at english (as long as we don't have to pronounce it =) |
| 10:22.07 | Wobin | Min svävare är full med ålar |
| 10:22.20 | Doow | nice =) |
| 10:22.30 | Wobin | Important phrases to learn in other languages =) |
| 10:22.40 | Arrowmaster | i barely passed my required 2nd credit of a highschool foreign language class, i dont know how my friend does it |
| 10:22.45 | krka | i'd probably say "Min svävare är full av ålar" instead |
| 10:23.04 | krka | my german is even worse than my english, wish i had put more effort into it in school :( |
| 10:23.16 | krka | not that i have a need to use my german so much |
| 10:23.17 | Arrowmaster | he grew up in russia, moved to the us, took german in highschool, and japanese in college |
| 10:23.33 | Wobin | English and chinese are terrible to learn between |
| 10:23.38 | Adys | man |
| 10:23.38 | Wobin | grammar is completely different |
| 10:23.41 | krka | if you start early with two or more languages, it |
| 10:23.43 | Wobin | and you need a complete new alphabet |
| 10:23.45 | krka | 's easier to add new ones |
| 10:23.50 | Adys | someone reported that post because of the rickroll part |
| 10:23.53 | Adys | "I thought illidan would be the final boss of bc, considering the Cinematic and his name being plastered around just about everything you do quest/raid wise. The mantra was "You are not prepared!!" not "You just got rickrolled! Have fun in Sunwell"" |
| 10:23.54 | Wobin | krka: only if the languages are related |
| 10:24.28 | krka | possibly |
| 10:24.34 | krka | i have no evidence either way |
| 10:24.43 | Wobin | coming from a tone neutral language like the romantic ones, to a tonal one, like chinese is -really- hard =\ |
| 10:24.52 | krka | it seems like the important thing is to let the mind make more lingustical abstractions |
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| 12:06.00 | Wobin | bleeter: Bauer walks into a bar, and the barman says: Why the short face? |
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| 13:51.07 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zen. |
| 13:55.18 | batrick | good morning |
| 13:55.33 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, batrick. |
| 13:56.10 | mikma | any good "speed" addons available? |
| 13:56.22 | Lopeppeppy | Speed addon? |
| 13:56.31 | mikma | telling me how fast am i travelling |
| 13:56.43 | mikma | no, no no |
| 13:56.49 | mikma | i meant, how keanu reaves am i |
| 13:57.43 | mikma | or, sandra bullock, whatever |
| 13:58.15 | Shirik | I love these slides I'm studdying from |
| 13:58.29 | Shirik | "Currently, Intel's most advanced processor is the Intel Pentium 4" |
| 13:59.23 | cbreak | whoa |
| 14:00.11 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, I've seen them from before 3.0, but I'm not sure what has survived. |
| 14:00.39 | mikma | :I need to know how fast is my catform compared to normalmount / travelform |
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| 14:03.21 | Shirik | :( |
| 14:04.09 | batrick | hello shirik |
| 14:04.14 | Shirik | hi |
| 14:04.26 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I'm still trying not to be fired, a weeeee distracted today. |
| 14:04.33 | Shirik | :( ok |
| 14:05.01 | Elkano | wat was the successor of the Pentium again? the Pentium 1.9983762, wasn't it? |
| 14:05.36 | mikma | right, apparently my catform is 149%, travelform is 161% and epic landmount is 220% |
| 14:05.40 | Lopeppeppy | Pi |
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| 14:44.19 | batrick | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12197383567&sid=1 |
| 14:46.36 | pb_ee1 | s/b/p/ |
| 14:48.43 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 14:49.12 | batrick | Lich King '08 |
| 14:49.29 | Shirik | " I believe in the trickle-down theory. When my blade slices through each of your bellies and your innards trickle down onto the icy battlefield, your soul - that has gone untapped for so many years - will finally be absorbed and utilized. Drain, Baby, Drain. " |
| 14:49.30 | Shirik | That's awesome |
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| 14:56.04 | batrick | Anyone think a professor cancelling class so students can vote kinda i dunno dumb? |
| 14:56.28 | cbreak | why? |
| 14:56.58 | batrick | I payed for the class, a service |
| 14:57.02 | drac | eh, prolly for some other reason :P, but ya, alot of students work fulltime and its hard for them to find time to do anything during the day |
| 14:57.22 | batrick | plenty of poll places are open up to and past 7pm |
| 14:57.24 | batrick | hardly difficult |
| 14:57.27 | cbreak | maybe he wanted to vote himself |
| 14:57.49 | Kaso | forgive my misunderstanding of the us voting system, but wouldnt most students be postal voting back to their home state? |
| 14:58.02 | Shirik | I did |
| 14:58.02 | Kaso | (thus making cancelling even more silly) |
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| 14:58.59 | malreth | Kaso: depends. some students are actually registered to vote where they go to school |
| 14:59.24 | Shirik | batrick, did you tkae a computer architecture class? |
| 14:59.37 | batrick | well he's cancelled a lot of class already and this is just getting annoying |
| 14:59.41 | batrick | yes |
| 14:59.48 | Shirik | Did you learn reverse polish notation? |
| 14:59.54 | Shirik | or postfix notation |
| 14:59.57 | batrick | uh, doesn't ring a bell |
| 15:00.34 | Shirik | (A+B*C)/(D-E*F) => ABC*+DEF*-/ |
| 15:00.34 | Shirik | ? |
| 15:00.53 | batrick | I don't think I've ever seen that |
| 15:00.57 | Shirik | blah |
| 15:01.14 | batrick | I took (sorta forced to) computer architecture with CS |
| 15:01.18 | Shirik | haha |
| 15:01.23 | batrick | so it was heavily watered down and it was a class full of whiners |
| 15:01.35 | batrick | and teacher just got his PhD |
| 15:01.49 | Shirik | It's kinda cool, it helps you figure out how to do a math operation with only a stack (So the above math op can be done with PUSH A, PUSH B, PUSH C, MUL, DIV, PUSH D, etc...) |
| 15:01.49 | malreth | that's funny... we were forced to take Philosophy with our CS courses |
| 15:02.08 | Shirik | But I'm not sure if I'm doing it right |
| 15:02.19 | batrick | I took the CS class because I was deathly afraid of this incomprehensible asian teacher who would be teaching the ECE version |
| 15:02.19 | malreth | it looks right to me |
| 15:02.40 | malreth | but i don't routinely use RPN |
| 15:02.49 | Shirik | oh god, RPN |
| 15:02.55 | Shirik | That's a term I'm supposed to know |
| 15:03.00 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 15:03.03 | malreth | Reverse Polish... |
| 15:03.04 | malreth | yeah |
| 15:03.12 | Shirik | He will totally put acronyms on the test |
| 15:03.14 | malreth | drink some caffeine |
| 15:03.18 | Shirik | nop |
| 15:03.27 | malreth | No OPeration |
| 15:03.28 | batrick | ah damn it |
| 15:03.34 | batrick | looks like i wont be leveling my pally anymore |
| 15:03.37 | Shirik | :( |
| 15:03.39 | malreth | ACK |
| 15:03.40 | batrick | god it was fun though |
| 15:05.08 | cbreak | why not? |
| 15:05.20 | cbreak | blizz reduced pala power? |
| 15:05.24 | batrick | yes |
| 15:05.35 | batrick | I can't really tell how badly because I'm just a noob paladin |
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| 15:06.04 | malreth | then don't worry about it |
| 15:06.26 | malreth | just play your paladin. why do people even care about nerfs. |
| 15:07.30 | batrick | because we need something to bitch about duh |
| 15:07.31 | batrick | ! |
| 15:07.41 | cbreak | roll a mage. |
| 15:07.46 | cbreak | we have always something to whine about |
| 15:07.49 | malreth | yeah, serious |
| 15:07.50 | batrick | my main is a mage rofl |
| 15:08.00 | malreth | oh... well then bitch on |
| 15:08.30 | malreth | you know, the other day, i tried to blink... AND I WENT BACKWARDS U KNO!?! |
| 15:08.39 | cbreak | omg! |
| 15:08.44 | cbreak | I tried the new blink glyph |
| 15:08.52 | cbreak | instead of 25 units I got blinked 0 |
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| 15:09.02 | malreth | STAIRS CONFOUND ME!!! |
| 15:09.19 | batrick | I'm a little annoyed all the tunnel blink glitches in WSG are still there |
| 15:09.25 | malreth | SMALL ROCKS CONFUSE ME!!! |
| 15:09.52 | malreth | UNEVEN GROUND... FRIGHTENS ME!!! |
| 15:10.07 | cbreak | (it could be a trap) |
| 15:10.59 | malreth | i was fighting against a warrior, so i sheeps him... and before i knew it, HE HAD FULL HEALTH THX BLIZZ!!! |
| 15:11.00 | Shirik | (A+B*C)/(D-E*F) => ABC*+DEF*-/ |
| 15:11.04 | Shirik | oop |
| 15:11.11 | Shirik | HI! |
| 15:11.20 | batrick | hello |
| 15:11.31 | malreth | caffeine... you needs it |
| 15:11.36 | Shirik | no |
| 15:11.53 | malreth | how about some tasty crack? |
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| 15:15.26 | Lopeppeppy | We're doing well without our caffeine, aren't we Shirik? |
| 15:15.34 | Shirik | :) |
| 15:15.43 | malreth | you FOOLS! |
| 15:15.51 | batrick | shirik gave up caffeine? |
| 15:16.13 | malreth | they've taken up witchcraftery to maintain levels of alertness! |
| 15:16.16 | Shirik | Well, that's a long story. Short story is yes. |
| 15:16.27 | Shirik | Long story is (abridged) I was supposed to a very long time ago |
| 15:16.40 | batrick | are you mormon? |
| 15:16.52 | malreth | we must purge them of the evil within... WITH FIRE! |
| 15:16.53 | Shirik | then Lopeppeppy decided to, so I figured I would do it now so that she can push guilt on me if I screw up :P |
| 15:16.56 | Shirik | lol, no |
| 15:17.04 | Shirik | I'd prefer not to go into why :) |
| 15:17.08 | Lopeppeppy | No, we're people who respect our bodies and our health. *sniff* |
| 15:17.10 | batrick | uh ok |
| 15:17.11 | Lopeppeppy | We're hippies! |
| 15:17.17 | malreth | it's because caffeine shrinks your weenie |
| 15:17.23 | zenzelezz | http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20081104 -- heh |
| 15:17.55 | Lopeppeppy | Then I should have laid off a long time ago, because I don't even have a weenie anymore! |
| 15:17.59 | batrick | but ... but........ COFFEEE???? no more coffee??? =( |
| 15:18.04 | Wobin | apparently lots of coffee makes your breasts shrink |
| 15:18.08 | Shirik | I never drank coffee anyway |
| 15:18.15 | batrick | wow |
| 15:18.23 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: that's because you hate your mother for taking yours away... and why you idolize your father |
| 15:18.27 | Shirik | I take it back |
| 15:18.36 | Shirik | I drank it once at the damn GM convention because that's all they had |
| 15:18.42 | Shirik | Starbucks didn't open until 9 AM wtf |
| 15:19.08 | Wobin | "No coffee? No coffee?! If I can't take. My coffee break! My coffee break! My coffee break... If I can't take... my coffee break... something within me... dies" =P |
| 15:19.57 | nevcairiel | did we get a UI diff for 3.0.3-live yet? |
| 15:20.05 | batrick | they keeping nerfing frostfire bolt |
| 15:20.08 | alestane | Patching now. |
| 15:20.10 | batrick | why the fuck would anyone cast that now |
| 15:20.29 | batrick | Flame Throwing doesn't affect Frostfire Bolt anymore. /sigh |
| 15:21.12 | malreth | glad i decided to go fire/arc then |
| 15:21.35 | malreth | living bomb makes kiting elites stupid easy |
| 15:22.00 | batrick | I can't bring myself to try fire |
| 15:22.06 | malreth | you just recast it every 12 sec at max range... you never even have to jump shot |
| 15:22.07 | batrick | all the fire mages I meet go oom in one fight |
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| 15:22.46 | malreth | batrick: it's called a "Blaze of Glory" |
| 15:23.09 | malreth | also, there should be some sort of mana rejuv going on in your raids |
| 15:23.12 | Shirik | batrick |
| 15:23.16 | Shirik | Isn't that good? |
| 15:23.17 | batrick | shirik |
| 15:23.24 | batrick | huh? |
| 15:23.32 | Shirik | If you don't go OOM by the end of the fight then all the rest of your mana is wasted, no? |
| 15:23.36 | batrick | by one fight I refer to pvp btw |
| 15:23.43 | Shirik | ah |
| 15:23.47 | batrick | i have nfc how it goes in pve |
| 15:23.49 | malreth | ah... pvp is a different beast |
| 15:23.53 | Fisker- | Shirik :( |
| 15:24.15 | cbreak | I am frost, and never have mana problems with mage armor |
| 15:24.17 | malreth | but in PvP, it doesn't matter. as a mage, you're dead in 10 sec anyways |
| 15:24.20 | cbreak | (and mage armor glyph= |
| 15:24.26 | malreth | forst mage and you're dead in 12 sec |
| 15:24.30 | cbreak | nah |
| 15:24.33 | cbreak | ice block |
| 15:24.35 | cbreak | and invis |
| 15:24.39 | cbreak | at least 30 seconds |
| 15:24.41 | malreth | ok... 22 sec |
| 15:24.54 | malreth | that's generous |
| 15:24.55 | Shirik | Beautiful Brick Ranch House in Henry CO, GA - Luxury House |
| 15:24.59 | Shirik | Price tag: $0.99 |
| 15:25.03 | Shirik | ... what? |
| 15:25.22 | malreth | it's built on an indian burial ground |
| 15:25.31 | cbreak | define luxury |
| 15:25.38 | malreth | don't... ever... go... into... the... ... closets... |
| 15:25.47 | Shirik | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 15:25.49 | Shirik | I like the fine print |
| 15:25.56 | malreth | closets? |
| 15:26.11 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/100659 |
| 15:26.44 | malreth | that's hideous |
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| 15:26.58 | malreth | i know people with credit cards with lower interest rates |
| 15:27.37 | Shirik | Well |
| 15:27.42 | Shirik | I like how they snuck in that it's down payment only |
| 15:28.01 | alestane | What's Heroic Throw? Something 71+? |
| 15:28.21 | batrick | I'm not sure that an ebay auction like that would be legally binding |
| 15:28.31 | batrick | would be interesting aye |
| 15:28.51 | nevcairiel | alestane: 80 :( |
| 15:28.59 | mikma | shirik: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/horatiocomic5.jpg |
| 15:29.03 | alestane | That's why I haven't seen it then. |
| 15:29.06 | Shirik | dare I click this |
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| 15:29.35 | Lopeppeppy | No, don't. NSFW |
| 15:29.47 | mikma | err, what? |
| 15:29.47 | nevcairiel | its not? |
| 15:29.50 | mikma | it's not |
| 15:30.01 | nevcairiel | because of the mention of the word ass? |
| 15:30.11 | mikma | or because it has horatio on it? |
| 15:30.21 | Lopeppeppy | Language and content. |
| 15:30.34 | mikma | ROFL |
| 15:30.39 | malreth | is there a big hooha or something in it? |
| 15:30.47 | nevcairiel | its just a comic |
| 15:30.50 | Lopeppeppy | No, just you know how HR is in the US. |
| 15:30.59 | cbreak | why does he want to wear two pairs of sunglasses? |
| 15:31.28 | mikma | dear lord US and A |
| 15:31.47 | nevcairiel | cbreak: thats what i wondered |
| 15:34.10 | malreth | mikma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snjCj0ntG8E <-- Title of video is FARM SLUTS. Enjoy! |
| 15:35.14 | mikma | damn, 17min+ long |
| 15:35.20 | malreth | it's worth it |
| 15:35.23 | Thrae | Remember people, if you have a Diebold voting machine, entering Obama, Obama, McCain, McCain, Ron Paul, Ron Paul, McCain, will vote for McCain 49 times. |
| 15:35.25 | mikma | no time to watch it now :/ got heroic-spree going on |
| 15:35.29 | malreth | maybe |
| 15:35.33 | malreth | if not... hey! it's only 17 min |
| 15:36.05 | Shirik | Thrae >< |
| 15:36.30 | malreth | Thrae: what if you write in "beetlejuice" three times? |
| 15:36.51 | Fisker- | this is your fault! |
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| 15:38.07 | Thrae | malreth: Ronald Regan ressurects from the dead and becomes President. |
| 15:38.28 | malreth | that. would. be. AWESOME!!! |
| 15:38.40 | malreth | Deficit spending... HOOOOOOOOOO!!!! |
| 15:38.55 | malreth | plus, awesome halloween masks next year |
| 15:39.12 | malreth | little kid: "I wanna be Zombie Regan!" |
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| 16:00.51 | alestane | Think I've got a suitable diff file, anyone out there who will do something useful with it? |
| 16:01.13 | nevcairiel | you could just pastey it for all our enjoyment |
| 16:01.26 | zenzelezz | i made you a diff... but i eated it :( |
| 16:02.58 | alestane | Why not? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100661 |
| 16:03.24 | Cide | what diff format is that? :P |
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| 16:03.53 | Lopeppeppy | Purple |
| 16:03.54 | alestane | Not sure, just the output from whatever diff was included with 10.4 |
| 16:04.03 | alestane | -br |
| 16:04.05 | Cide | certainly a strange one in any case |
| 16:04.21 | Kandoko | Is there a decent method to see how much table garbage is being produced by an addon? |
| 16:04.24 | alestane | I don't have a lot of experience with it, just took the default output. |
| 16:04.37 | Cide | no worries :) |
| 16:04.37 | Adys | seriously this takes the piss |
| 16:04.38 | Adys | http://pastebin.com/m78d0f066 |
| 16:04.43 | Adys | I just had to delete that post |
| 16:04.45 | Cide | Kandoko: why do you need to know that? |
| 16:05.25 | cbreak | serious lack of paragraphs |
| 16:06.08 | Kandoko | trying to reduce the # of throw away tables my addon uses. just like to have a before after comparisons when optimizing |
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| 16:06.25 | AbsoRayne | oh hai |
| 16:06.37 | cbreak | is that critical Kandoko? |
| 16:06.41 | Cide | Kandoko: when are you creating tables? |
| 16:07.06 | Cide | don't bother unless you really need to. |
| 16:07.06 | cbreak | The only addon where I really created a lot of temp. tables I collect them myself instead of letting them get gced |
| 16:07.16 | cbreak | not sure if it's worth it or beneficial :) |
| 16:07.33 | Cide | the gc is really effective |
| 16:07.41 | Cide | don't bother collecting them unless you need to |
| 16:08.00 | Cide | it's a good idea for frames, for example, since they aren't collected |
| 16:08.16 | cbreak | and textures I guess? (I use them for textures in an other addon) |
| 16:08.45 | cbreak | but in one addon I store data, create a new table about every 0.5 second, for the duration of a full fight |
| 16:08.50 | Cide | and textures, yes |
| 16:08.59 | cbreak | those get collected by me after five fights and reused |
| 16:09.19 | Cide | in a weak table, I hope |
| 16:09.28 | cbreak | no, standard table |
| 16:09.39 | Cide | waste |
| 16:09.54 | cbreak | not really |
| 16:10.02 | Cide | yes really |
| 16:10.12 | cbreak | fights average to about the same duration, so I use up most tables that are created again |
| 16:10.24 | cbreak | the benefit of weak tables would be that they could get collected |
| 16:10.33 | Drak[H|AD] | hmm.. why wont any chatframe hooks I find work? all I wanna do is add a timestamp etc :P |
| 16:11.02 | Cide | cbreak: which you want! |
| 16:11.15 | cbreak | I reuse the tables in the next fight anyway |
| 16:11.17 | Kandoko | Table are only used when the Database is searched, last time I rewrote BeanCOunters search routine it was focused on reducing wait time and CPU usage. I just feel it's a bit table usage heavy. Esp since a lot of calls are now made to it on tooltip creation instead of just a manual search |
| 16:14.55 | cbreak | hmm... read up on weak tables |
| 16:15.12 | cbreak | at the moment I store my unused tables in an other table which I treat as stack |
| 16:15.35 | cbreak | if I would set this table to a weak table with weak values (which would be what you propose, right?) |
| 16:15.52 | cbreak | I would not have stack semantics anymore |
| 16:16.03 | batrick | correct |
| 16:16.16 | cbreak | maybe I could do something with pairs |
| 16:16.22 | batrick | so a weak table is not necessarily a good thing, but you can _not_ use a stack |
| 16:16.41 | cbreak | how fast are iterators compared to direct integer indexing? |
| 16:16.51 | batrick | about the same |
| 16:17.02 | alestane | From what I understand, the principle situation for recycling your own tables is when you have deeply nested tables that will trigger a lot of cascading GC. |
| 16:17.44 | batrick | cbreak: store your tables in a weak keyed table (the tables are keys with garbage values) and use next() to get a table |
| 16:17.54 | Kandoko | Hrm, I don't believe I go more that 3 deep on my tables |
| 16:18.06 | cbreak | my tables are only nested two levels deep in that case |
| 16:18.20 | alestane | How many tables does the top level contain? |
| 16:18.37 | alestane | It's not so much about depth as it is about the number of child tables? |
| 16:18.55 | alestane | i.e., how many child tables will become garbage if the parent table gets collected? |
| 16:22.26 | cbreak | a fight data set is a table that contains a fixed number of sub tables. sub tables contain a table per entry, with about three entries per second. |
| 16:23.14 | cbreak | so maybe 6000 tables per 600 second fight |
| 16:23.22 | cbreak | (just an estimate) |
| 16:24.17 | Kandoko | Depends on # of transactions and type of search request. I have one user who had around 160,000 Auction house records on a single server last time I checked |
| 16:24.51 | krka | i generally try to refactor my design to get a constant number of table |
| 16:25.05 | cbreak | I only store my tables because I know they are going to be used again in the next fight, so relatively soon |
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| 16:25.41 | cbreak | most tables I use are used like structs |
| 16:25.47 | cbreak | to store values that belong together |
| 16:26.08 | matt1s | What is the best addon updater? |
| 16:26.09 | cbreak | usually a time stamp and additional data, such as health, mana, or combat log data + color |
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| 16:27.32 | Wikwocket | matt1s: there's a bit of a vacuum right now |
| 16:29.16 | Seerah | matt1s: I use Firefox myself. ;) |
| 16:29.47 | cbreak | so next(mytable) would always give me a random element? |
| 16:29.48 | Lopeppeppy | ^ :) |
| 16:30.00 | Lopeppeppy | Well, I meant to agree with Seerah there... |
| 16:30.39 | cbreak | the Lua docs say next's behaviour is undefined if I add new things during traversal. how is traversal defined? |
| 16:31.24 | alestane | succesive calls of next using previous returns from next until next returns nil. |
| 16:31.44 | batrick | next relies on the previous key returned by next to key the next entry |
| 16:31.48 | cbreak | so if I use a nil/emtpy second argument it should not matter what I add to the table |
| 16:31.54 | batrick | yes |
| 16:32.10 | alestane | next(table) will return a random key-value pair from the table. |
| 16:32.23 | cbreak | so I could switch to weak tables without loss of removal flexibility when using that method |
| 16:32.31 | batrick | yes |
| 16:32.37 | cbreak | but how do I add things? |
| 16:32.44 | batrick | just add them to the table |
| 16:32.51 | cbreak | now I just add them at the end, since I know where an empty space is |
| 16:32.55 | batrick | weak[save_me] = true |
| 16:33.05 | cbreak | you would add them as key? |
| 16:33.16 | cbreak | interesting idea |
| 16:33.16 | batrick | yes, that's what I did |
| 16:33.47 | alestane | If you start by calling next(t), and continue feeding the first return from next into the second argument of next until next returns nil again, next will return each non-nil key in the table once, provided that you do not make any nil keys non-nil during that process. That's the entirety of the guarantee. |
| 16:33.49 | batrick | it's very efficient way of storing throw away tables |
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| 16:34.20 | cbreak | I am not sure there would be a benefit for me, but it looks cool :) |
| 16:34.57 | cbreak | depends how expensive table constructors and destructors are |
| 16:37.02 | alestane | You do probably want to avoid creating and discarding 6000 tables every fight. |
| 16:37.13 | cbreak | that's why I store them |
| 16:37.34 | cbreak | also, most fights are shorter :) |
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| 16:41.52 | alestane | Alternatively, store your subtables in one table. Store them using, say, positive integer indices for ones in use, and other indices for ones that aren't being used. Negative integers are one possbility, or you can hodge a linked list or stack of sorts by making [0] = the first unused table, [firstunusedtable] = secondunusedtable, [secondunsuedtable] = thirdunusedtable, etc. |
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| 16:42.23 | alestane | Because they don't use continuous positive integer indices, ipairs will ignore them. |
| 16:42.53 | cbreak | sounds too complicated |
| 16:43.05 | cbreak | besides, weak tables could contain holes, so ipairs would not work? |
| 16:43.21 | batrick | cbreak: if you are trying to avoid unnecessary table create/deletion, then you probably will not want to store them in a weak table |
| 16:43.39 | batrick | a stack, what you currently have I think, is fine btw |
| 16:44.00 | batrick | this is for "in combat" btw |
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| 16:44.07 | batrick | otherwise a weak table is fine |
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| 16:45.17 | cbreak | ok :) |
| 16:45.36 | cbreak | my addon is already a bit performance hungry |
| 16:45.44 | cbreak | at least with life graph redrawing |
| 16:46.12 | batrick | what you are ultimately trying to avoid during combat is not allocating/deallocating tables constantly |
| 16:46.29 | batrick | best way to do that is reuse your old tables and not allow them to be garbage collected until after combat ends |
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| 16:53.35 | Cide | cbreak: I have to ask though, how much information does each table contain? |
| 16:53.57 | Cide | each subtable, that is |
| 16:54.00 | cbreak | for health and mana info, two fields |
| 16:54.07 | Cide | and others? |
| 16:54.09 | cbreak | for combat log info, five fields |
| 16:54.16 | cbreak | (I know, I could just use five tables |
| 16:54.17 | Cide | totally viable to split that into 5 tables, then |
| 16:54.24 | Cide | could? should |
| 16:54.32 | cbreak | I like structs |
| 16:54.48 | Cide | make a metastruct then |
| 16:55.00 | cbreak | never heard that expresion |
| 16:55.05 | Cide | I just made it up |
| 16:55.40 | alestane | A single proxy that retrieves data from different tables |
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| 16:55.57 | alestane | Give me a second, I should be able to knock one together. |
| 16:56.09 | cbreak | I'll check lua-users |
| 16:56.21 | Cide | metastruct = setmetatable({ get = function(self, i) self.i = i end }, { __index = function(self, key) return tables[key][self.i] end }) |
| 16:56.58 | Cide | could be made more efficient |
| 16:57.20 | Cide | metastruct:get(5); metastruct[1], metastruct[2] -- grabs life and mana for entry 5 |
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| 17:02.23 | cbreak | hmm.... |
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| 17:02.53 | nevcairiel | I didn't! |
| 17:02.55 | cbreak | so, any predictions who will win? :) |
| 17:03.08 | dwest | Hello all. I was hoping someone could lead me in the right direction here. I am attempting to write my first mod and need some assistance with combat log event handling |
| 17:03.39 | Syzgyn | cbreak: It's a bit early to start guessing methinks :P |
| 17:03.46 | Wikwocket | dwest: have you seen http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT ? The best resource I know of. |
| 17:03.49 | Cide | never too early to guess |
| 17:03.54 | cbreak | hmm... I've seen guesses last week already :) |
| 17:04.04 | Syzgyn | well, guess accurately |
| 17:04.12 | cbreak | dwest: also look at the UNFILTERED version |
| 17:04.52 | dwest | Wikwocket: ys however I was unable to find the answer I am looking for. I want to display a message in party/raid whenever I (MT) get stunned, disarmed, seduced, etc |
| 17:05.11 | cbreak | then you should not use combat log events |
| 17:05.18 | cbreak | I would use debuff/buff events |
| 17:05.27 | Syzgyn | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_HasFullControl |
| 17:05.37 | dwest | i figured i was looking in the wrong section |
| 17:05.37 | Syzgyn | or debuffs |
| 17:05.38 | cbreak | oh, nice! |
| 17:05.42 | Wikwocket | was just going to link that :) |
| 17:06.03 | dwest | wow |
| 17:06.08 | dwest | thats amazing |
| 17:06.11 | dwest | thanks |
| 17:06.35 | cbreak | do every time you get debuffed you would check that? |
| 17:06.44 | cbreak | maybe there's an event for controll loss |
| 17:07.00 | Syzgyn | umm |
| 17:07.13 | cbreak | PLAYER_CONTROL_LOST |
| 17:07.14 | cbreak | :) |
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| 17:07.26 | Syzgyn | beat me to it |
| 17:07.31 | Syzgyn | PLAYER_CONTROL_GAINED too |
| 17:07.39 | cbreak | beat me to it |
| 17:07.43 | Syzgyn | ha :P |
| 17:07.47 | batrick | that even unforunately does not apply to stuns |
| 17:07.51 | batrick | event* |
| 17:07.52 | Syzgyn | no? |
| 17:08.03 | Syzgyn | interesting |
| 17:08.06 | cbreak | stuns are not a control loss, you can just blink out of them |
| 17:08.08 | batrick | unless they've changed it recently |
| 17:08.11 | Wikwocket | One wonders if HasFullControl() applies to stuns then |
| 17:08.12 | cbreak | or use that new human racial |
| 17:08.14 | cbreak | I guess :) |
| 17:08.19 | batrick | Wikwocket: nope |
| 17:08.40 | Syzgyn | You can trinket out of fear too though |
| 17:08.53 | cbreak | hmm... true |
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| 17:09.02 | dwest | as awesome as that is, I do want to report the actual debuff that caused teh loss of control/stunn |
| 17:09.08 | batrick | or WotF out of fear |
| 17:09.15 | Syzgyn | Your best bet is watching debuffs then |
| 17:09.35 | Wikwocket | If you scan the combat log, you'd need a library of all possible stun abilities and so on |
| 17:09.46 | Wikwocket | Maybe you could scan debuff tooltips for "stunned" or something |
| 17:10.04 | cbreak | maybe UNIT_AURA then, and check the debuffs? |
| 17:10.49 | cbreak | or better PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED |
| 17:11.10 | Syzgyn | heres an interesting bit of useless info: The 2008 election marks the first time since the 1928 election in which neither an incumbent President nor an incumbent Vice President ran for their party's nomination in the presidential election, and the first time since the 1952 election that neither the incumbent President nor incumbent Vice President is a candidate in the general election. |
| 17:11.35 | batrick | haha cheney |
| 17:11.47 | cbreak | what's incumbent? |
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| 17:11.53 | Syzgyn | currently serving |
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| 17:12.25 | Wikwocket | I have had problems tracking PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED, I prefer UNIT_AURA and check for arg1 = "player" |
| 17:12.42 | cbreak | problems? |
| 17:12.59 | Syzgyn | Oh woopee, GA is considered a swing state |
| 17:13.01 | cbreak | reason why I would use PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED is that it will be fired less |
| 17:13.49 | Wikwocket | my mod used to check PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED and it stopped firing in 3.0, who knows I may have done something else wrong though |
| 17:14.03 | kd3 | syz; 4srs? |
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| 17:14.13 | Syzgyn | Says wikipedia |
| 17:14.36 | Syzgyn | Georgia had previously been considered a "safe" Republican state for Presidential candidates. From 1980 through 2004, it supported the Republican candidate with only two exceptions, 1980 and 1992. Polls showed McCain holding a solid lead in the state until mid-October when Obama closed the lead to under 5 percentage points. |
| 17:14.59 | kd3 | rofl. the fact that obama even has a chance here (I live west of atlanta) says plenty |
| 17:15.13 | Syzgyn | I know right |
| 17:15.17 | Syzgyn | how crazy would that be |
| 17:15.49 | Syzgyn | why the fuck is Fox the only channel covering the electing right now :V |
| 17:15.53 | cbreak | maybe someone could trick the republicans into typing /gdisband |
| 17:15.59 | kd3 | meh. I'm just watching cnbc |
| 17:16.07 | kd3 | slightly less biased than the regular talking head channels |
| 17:16.44 | Duman | whee |
| 17:17.06 | Duman | kd3: that's impressive, btw |
| 17:17.23 | qz | is there any way to get player name through some api call? |
| 17:17.30 | Syzgyn | UnitName("player") |
| 17:17.35 | qz | thanks |
| 17:18.25 | Syzgyn | cbs has a countdown timer for the election, at 7 |
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| 17:20.16 | Syzgyn | oh, thats when the first polls close. |
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| 17:21.42 | cladhaire | so after the patch, the TOS read screen on my linux machine is just black.. no widgets or anything. |
| 17:21.51 | cladhaire | makes it difficult to do anything on that screen |
| 17:22.59 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that's a problem. |
| 17:23.01 | Syzgyn | You dun borked it. |
| 17:24.31 | cbreak | you could just edit the WTF/config.wtf to read that you read the TOS |
| 17:24.48 | cbreak | asuming those are the only problem :) |
| 17:24.54 | cladhaire | yeah but the same problem occurs on any widget |
| 17:24.56 | cladhaire | i.e. the login |
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| 17:24.58 | cladhaire | or character select |
| 17:25.03 | cladhaire | I think i may be able to get in game this time |
| 17:25.04 | cladhaire | but .. blegh |
| 17:25.47 | cbreak | there was a patch today in the US? |
| 17:25.59 | kd3 | yes |
| 17:25.59 | Wikwocket | ... |
| 17:26.22 | kd3 | 3.0.3.9183 |
| 17:26.27 | cladhaire | but thats not what I'm referring to |
| 17:26.28 | cladhaire | heh |
| 17:26.30 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 17:26.47 | kd3 | kuso, knew I was forgetting something |
| 17:26.59 | nevcairiel | yay he got my hint |
| 17:27.00 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 17:27.28 | nevcairiel | alestane tried to do a diff, but he fails at unified |
| 17:27.55 | alestane | I use FileMerge when browsing diifs, so I don't know the CLI-fu. |
| 17:28.35 | kd3 | ho... they changed a few lines from last beta build to live |
| 17:28.54 | Syzgyn | sneaky sneaky |
| 17:29.26 | Syzgyn | Bah, the closest Ben & Jerry's to me is 12 miles away |
| 17:29.59 | Wikwocket | Haha Syzgyn I checked for myself too, and for Krispy Kremes |
| 17:30.11 | Syzgyn | Krispy Kreme is doing something too? |
| 17:30.16 | Syzgyn | They're alot closer |
| 17:30.20 | Wikwocket | Free stars and stripes donut |
| 17:30.24 | Wikwocket | while supplies last |
| 17:30.30 | Syzgyn | Iii |
| 17:30.30 | Lopeppeppy | My closest B&J is about 30 minutes away. |
| 17:30.32 | Syzgyn | Ooo* |
| 17:30.33 | AbsoRayne | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/1225371810905.jpg ! |
| 17:30.42 | kd3 | emails out |
| 17:30.48 | nevcairiel | yay thanks |
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| 17:32.12 | Syzgyn | Starbucks is giving out free coffee too |
| 17:32.19 | Lopeppeppy | Yuppers. |
| 17:32.25 | Syzgyn | Chick-fil-a is giving discounted sammiches |
| 17:33.02 | Duman | wtb Chick-fil-a out here |
| 17:33.15 | Syzgyn | Hehe |
| 17:33.23 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously. Again, about 30 minutes away from me. :) |
| 17:34.22 | Syzgyn | http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1176434/free_stuff_for_voting_from_coffee_to.html?cat=9 Bahaha |
| 17:39.45 | alestane | cbreak: I haven't actually tested this, but it should create a struct of arrays that acts in most regards like an array of structs: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100664 |
| 17:40.08 | cbreak | sweet |
| 17:40.25 | cbreak | If I get how it works, I'll use it :) |
| 17:40.49 | alestane | One could also make it object-accurate, which would partly defeat the purpose but still probably show much better performance than using real tables. |
| 17:41.25 | cbreak | even when reusing them? |
| 17:41.43 | alestane | It would have to reuse them internally, but they'd self-recycle. |
| 17:42.00 | alestane | Oh, misunderstood. |
| 17:43.49 | alestane | What I just created calls down on one point... it's not [[ var1 = structarray[5]; var2 = structarray[6] ]] safe. var1 will change to match var2. |
| 17:43.59 | alestane | falls* down |
| 17:44.42 | alestane | This will be slightly slower in a memory-rich environment, but is nearly garbage-free. |
| 17:47.11 | cbreak | at the moment, the method I use has no new table constructions and no garbage deallocations |
| 17:47.16 | cbreak | after the first few battles |
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| 17:47.36 | cbreak | because I never actually free tables I created, and instead reuse them |
| 17:49.24 | alestane | That's probably the least painful method in terms of CPU cycles, then. |
| 17:49.51 | cbreak | I could probably save memory by switching to a struct of tables instead of a table of structs |
| 17:50.03 | cbreak | have to think about it |
| 17:50.42 | alestane | But you'd take a hit in terms of cycles to make up for it. If your memory usage stays relatively static after a few encounters, you're probably better off that way. |
| 17:51.09 | cbreak | not sure. a struct of tables would just use much less tables |
| 17:51.27 | cbreak | it would be less elegant, since data that would belong together would be stored far appart |
| 17:51.53 | alestane | If you're willing to actually address it as a struct of tables, there will be basically no CPU waste. |
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| 17:52.16 | Lopeppeppy | Heya again, Shirik. |
| 17:52.32 | alestane | The system I posted creates a "front" for the struct of tables that makes it act like a table of structs, but spends some time on executing the remapping. |
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| 17:52.45 | alestane | ...station. |
| 17:52.51 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa-dear. |
| 17:53.00 | cbreak | true :/ so maybe direct is better |
| 17:53.21 | Lunessa | Hey folks. :) |
| 17:53.38 | Lunessa | It's a sad day when you can beat me to my own tag line. :) |
| 17:53.46 | alestane | It really just means you'll be reversing your indices. Instead of list[index].field, you'll be saying list.filed[index]. |
| 17:54.03 | alestane | * list.field[index] |
| 17:54.19 | cbreak | I use ipairs to get the individual structs |
| 17:54.22 | Lopeppeppy | We loves you, Lunessa! |
| 17:54.25 | cbreak | and only index the table I get that way |
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| 17:54.38 | cbreak | so for a struct of five elements, I index six tables |
| 17:54.48 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, KarlKFI. |
| 17:54.50 | cbreak | (well, two tables, six time combined) |
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| 17:55.24 | cbreak | with struct of tables I would use probably 10 index operations |
| 17:55.51 | alestane | Well, you could always try it both ways if you have profiling tools. |
| 17:55.58 | cbreak | hmm... yes... :) |
| 17:56.35 | cbreak | counting index operations might pale vs. the performance used in texture manipulations though :) |
| 17:58.22 | KarlKFI_ | mreh |
| 17:58.30 | cbreak | it would break backwards compatibility in the save format. |
| 17:59.16 | alestane | Or you'd have to scan for old-style entries ond convert them. |
| 17:59.22 | |pez| | ... and this is where I worked - http://www.tv2nyhetene.no/innenriks/article2363824.ece |
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| 18:00.01 | cbreak | yes. Or just do that on first load |
| 18:02.42 | cbreak | I should have stored a save file format version ID... |
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| 18:07.26 | Fisker- | i so lol'd |pez| |
| 18:12.29 | |pez| | Fisker-: So did I. And then thought "I'm glad I wasn't working" |
| 18:15.09 | Lunessa | http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/11/five-useless-ga.html |
| 18:16.47 | AbsoRayne | http://hdimage.org/images/thz0jlmrlljtcz410pb3_esktop.jpg <3, extream props if you know where my wallpapers from |
| 18:16.51 | AbsoRayne | Also, anyone use Rainmeter? |
| 18:17.11 | Syzgyn | AbsoRayne: FLCL |
| 18:17.30 | Fisker- | Something japanese |
| 18:17.56 | Syzgyn | Quite the fucked up series |
| 18:18.05 | kd3 | yes... the manga's even more insane |
| 18:18.09 | Tekkub | lol Dolby fixed the "[]" errors in the RSS feeds finally |
| 18:18.11 | AbsoRayne | I loved it...you dont find series like it anymore |
| 18:18.13 | Tekkub | only took a few years |
| 18:18.18 | kd3 | but there is a story underneath the madness |
| 18:18.20 | Syzgyn | gawd, I dunno if I could handle the Manga |
| 18:18.49 | kd3 | I actually read the manga before I saw the anime |
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| 18:20.15 | kd3 | my favorite flcl wallpaper of the few that I have is http://images.gammatester.com/pics/6f52ced5eb85a9eb236e31634c0012ab.jpg |
| 18:20.26 | kd3 | need to find some 16x9's since I've got widescreen monitors now |
| 18:20.51 | Syzgyn | Lunessa: I dont agree with half of that article. |
| 18:20.55 | AbsoRayne | kd3: Good ones are hard to find |
| 18:21.11 | AbsoRayne | I usually fund good 16'10s and end up cropping them :/ |
| 18:21.12 | cbreak | the best desktop background is #888888 |
| 18:21.16 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 18:21.27 | Lunessa | Syzgyn: Most people won't. Printers and scanners seem pretty useless to me at home without a professional needs. |
| 18:21.28 | kd3 | meh, I've resorted to taking screencaps for my last few rounds of wallpapers |
| 18:21.42 | kd3 | I've got two caps from hidamari 365 of the ed sequence atm |
| 18:22.02 | Lunessa | And now, kickin' it OLD school. http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/funny-graphs-dark-tunnel.gif |
| 18:22.16 | Syzgyn | Lunessa: Well I dont have a cell phone that can do all those things, so I still use my printer for things like directions |
| 18:22.41 | AbsoRayne | Hey guys, how big was todays patch? (file size) |
| 18:22.46 | Syzgyn | 20MB or so |
| 18:22.55 | Lunessa | Syzgyn: Aye, 'cause I'm too damned cheap to buy a data package for my cell. |
| 18:22.58 | Syzgyn | It patched suprisingly fast too |
| 18:23.08 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors#3.0.3 |
| 18:23.17 | Syzgyn | Lunessa: I use my phone to make *gasp* phone calls. Thats it. |
| 18:24.04 | Lunessa | I use mine to play music sometimes, and take pictures sometimes. But mostly... just to make calls. Actually, I don't even do that much. |
| 18:24.31 | Lopeppeppy | I text a lot. Unlimited texting for the win, especially at Blizzcon! |
| 18:24.54 | kd3 | meh, my phone bill was horrendous last month |
| 18:25.05 | kd3 | especially with all of the international texting I did. >.< |
| 18:25.23 | Lopeppeppy | Mine would have been, except for unlimited texting. I added it JUST for the con. |
| 18:25.27 | alestane | I am still amused by the notion that using your phone strictly for voice conversations is somehow superior to using any other capabilities it may have. |
| 18:25.37 | Lunessa | I only ever get tetx messages when I'm driving. |
| 18:25.55 | Lunessa | Especially if malreth is giving directions. |
| 18:26.09 | kd3 | it's still pathetic that it costs more to send text messages than it does to send data to mars |
| 18:26.11 | Syzgyn | Oh, the beta is over? :\ |
| 18:26.28 | Syzgyn | Yay I have have HDD space again! |
| 18:27.04 | NeoTron | me sad |
| 18:27.04 | cbreak | I've given up on desktop wallpapers. I hardly see anything of those anyway with all the windows I have open |
| 18:27.11 | NeoTron | of course I pick now to make a DK addon :P |
| 18:27.15 | NeoTron | figuring I'd have some time |
| 18:27.19 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 18:27.25 | Lunessa | kd3: Phone Companies Need Your Money. Won't you please send a phone company executive's child on a skiing holiday? |
| 18:27.29 | NeoTron | I'll keep working on live, faking the data |
| 18:27.43 | NeoTron | pretty easy to fake rune cooldowns and such |
| 18:29.08 | mikma | http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4486608/World_of_Warcraft_-_Stormfist_realm |
| 18:29.27 | kd3 | the hell? |
| 18:29.30 | cbreak | http://www.ritsumei.ac.jp/~akitaoka/index-e.html |
| 18:29.41 | mikma | yes, the hell. |
| 18:29.45 | kd3 | oh, emu |
| 18:30.28 | mikma | shirik|zzz: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/motorbiker.jpg |
| 18:30.29 | mikma | omg omg |
| 18:30.32 | mikma | SFW!!!11 |
| 18:30.39 | mikma | chupa chups |
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| 18:32.01 | AbsoRayne | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/lollercoaster.jpg Here guys have some Nostalgia |
| 18:32.42 | kneeki | rofl |
| 18:32.44 | kneeki | good stuff |
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| 18:34.21 | Syzgyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.22 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_110408_201838.jpg my hud turned out to be pretty good |
| 18:34.28 | Syzgyn | Roller Coaster Tycoon |
| 18:34.36 | mikma | (yes, safe for shirik|zzz) |
| 18:34.43 | kneeki | I hate those birds |
| 18:34.45 | Syzgyn | I wonder if I still have that CD somewhere |
| 18:35.03 | linear` | are InCombatLockdown() and UnitAffectinCombat("player") essentially the same thing |
| 18:35.05 | mikma | i think i (cough* copied *cough) that from interwebs |
| 18:35.15 | mikma | linear`: think so |
| 18:35.41 | mikma | absorayne: sickest spin, ultimate pukemachine |
| 18:36.00 | Tekkub | linear`, they may respod differently when you're processing PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED |
| 18:36.18 | smcn | so are the highlights for buffs/debuffs on actionbars part of the base ui? |
| 18:36.21 | Tekkub | if you're testing that you can do things to a secure frame, use InCombatLockdown() |
| 18:37.52 | mikma | smcn: in my screenshot it's Dominos_Buff that handles the coloring |
| 18:38.25 | mikma | you don't need the whole Dominos, just that one folder and it colors the default actionbuttons |
| 18:38.45 | smcn | ah yeah i have dominos, have it disabled on one of my alts that i noticed it, i wasn't aware that some of the modules weren't dependant :p |
| 18:39.13 | AbsoRayne | I like the Dominos Roll bar |
| 18:39.15 | smcn | my other chars with dominos i just use it to hide everything :P |
| 18:39.17 | AbsoRayne | Peronally |
| 18:39.27 | AbsoRayne | XLoot just got too ugly to me after a bit |
| 18:40.09 | mikma | yeah tuller haven't said it out loud much that the Dominos_Buff works without the core |
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| 18:42.30 | Syzgyn | Sad, I cant find my RCT disks :( |
| 18:43.12 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, since I can't keep up, AbsoRayne! *grin* |
| 18:43.36 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: Im starting to withdraw away from the new raid frames :/ |
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| 18:43.51 | Lunessa | AbsoRayne: If you were going to change one thing.. just one more thing... It should be away from Pixel-Fonts. |
| 18:43.55 | AbsoRayne | Also,I need to do something about my buff frames since im using EBB |
| 18:44.12 | AbsoRayne | Lunessa: Find me a font that everyone doesnt use and works with the UI, and ill consider it |
| 18:44.19 | AbsoRayne | Im not trying to sound like a jerk saying that |
| 18:44.22 | AbsoRayne | but I have yet to find one. |
| 18:44.37 | Industrial | why's it have to be one that noone else uses |
| 18:44.40 | Industrial | not just a nice font |
| 18:44.49 | AbsoRayne | Because I like being different |
| 18:45.02 | mikma | i like the default ui |
| 18:45.05 | Industrial | NonconformistUI? |
| 18:45.11 | Industrial | =D |
| 18:45.12 | Lunessa | It's ok, I'm being a jerk. I think Pixel Fonts are the ugliest shit in popular ui design. And they mean I often have to wear my f'ing glasses to read a screen less than 3' from my face. |
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| 18:45.14 | mikma | and the little mods i have created |
| 18:45.33 | linear` | default party frames are the worst |
| 18:45.35 | Jelly-School | ~yawn |
| 18:45.36 | purl | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. |
| 18:45.56 | mikma | linear`: for that i have oUF_Grid by zariel |
| 18:46.02 | AbsoRayne | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw19800.png My MAJOR issue right now is that the buffs (on the right) with all the new hots from the glyphs and such....ive seen that frame almost hit my Omen :| |
| 18:46.39 | Lopeppeppy | I need to set up pet frames. Hmm. |
| 18:47.07 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: It should come with a pet frame, but not a pet target, ect... |
| 18:48.18 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: I know I had pet frames set up the last time I tried working with Pitbull. Don't know what's changed since then though. |
| 18:50.22 | Lopeppeppy | I still have your pitbull setup from the first version, I liked it better. I don't play around much, but it doesn't have party pets enabled, and I keep forgetting to futz and find where to enable them and configure them. |
| 18:50.25 | Syzgyn | Abso: Turn off timeless buffs maybe? |
| 18:51.12 | AbsoRayne | oh, party pets |
| 18:51.31 | mikma | good |
| 18:51.34 | AbsoRayne | I also get upset if they catch a Wild Growth |
| 18:51.35 | Lopeppeppy | In parties lately, pets are viable tanks, and they've been tanking and off tanking for me. |
| 18:51.37 | AbsoRayne | Like |
| 18:51.39 | AbsoRayne | thanks |
| 18:52.15 | Jelly-School | If I'm ever that hard up for a tank, I'll go to bed :P |
| 18:52.33 | AbsoRayne | Jelly-School: Our servers pretty bad about tanks too |
| 18:52.39 | AbsoRayne | well |
| 18:52.41 | AbsoRayne | thats not true |
| 18:52.42 | Lopeppeppy | I'm only level 22, Jelly-dear! |
| 18:52.44 | Jelly-School | We're terrible with healers. |
| 18:52.54 | Jelly-School | I happen to have 2 70 healers and 1 70 tank on this server. :-\ |
| 18:53.07 | Jelly-School | I wish I could play both characters at once sometimes. |
| 18:53.13 | Lopeppeppy | Dual box, baby. |
| 18:53.21 | AbsoRayne | Theres tanks, but 0% of them fail, 5% dont want to do anything because theyre too good for the world, and the rest are usually willing, but offline / undergeared. |
| 18:53.30 | AbsoRayne | er, 90% of them fail |
| 18:53.32 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Level 22? You has re-roll? |
| 18:53.45 | Lopeppeppy | I has re-roll, Lunessa. |
| 18:54.00 | Lunessa | Awwww... why for you no ask me along? |
| 18:54.04 | cbreak | being on an old server is nice. |
| 18:54.32 | Jelly-School | My server is a release server. |
| 18:54.32 | AbsoRayne | 3.0 has done something that I ultimatly feared for Warriors, its bred a stream of full pvp tanks that cant hold agro for crap, and use slow as hell weapons. |
| 18:54.43 | Jelly-School | Doesn't make a difference. All the tanks/healers are all DPS now. |
| 18:55.02 | AbsoRayne | 'im in S2 I can tank Hyjal' No you cant get the hell out of my raid |
| 18:55.04 | AbsoRayne | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.05 | AbsoRayne | ect |
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| 18:55.15 | Jelly-School | I ran Kara (as Jelly) yesterday with a warrior -- it was kind of funny. |
| 18:55.22 | Jelly-School | Really made me miss my paladin. |
| 18:55.54 | AbsoRayne | http://hdimage.org/images/ip4mhl4zo1pr7xfpgt02_ocrnhot110408052642.png This is tanking gear. Get it in your thick skulls kthnx. |
| 18:55.58 | Jelly-School | I tanked Hyjal last week ... forgot I wasn't uncritable. We made it but it wasn't pretty. |
| 18:55.59 | AbsoRayne | (yes, thats Rayne0 |
| 18:56.23 | Jelly-School | My paladin is cuter ... by a lot. |
| 18:56.37 | AbsoRayne | Jelly-School: My OT had to regem for the patch, he lost about 500-600 HP. |
| 18:56.49 | Syzgyn | AbsoRayne: is that gruuls shield? >_< |
| 18:56.56 | AbsoRayne | Syzgyn: Yup! |
| 18:57.02 | Syzgyn | with T6 T_T |
| 18:57.12 | Jelly-School | I'm planning on doing the math tonight on what I would have to be in order to be uncritable again. I thin I'm sitting at like 470 defense. |
| 18:57.16 | Syzgyn | No luck from Kaz or Illidan? |
| 18:57.35 | AbsoRayne | Syzgyn: 3 months of Hyjal, no shield |
| 18:57.38 | AbsoRayne | And one tanking sword. |
| 18:57.38 | alestane | AbsoRayne: I believe the basic line of thinking was that it's acceptable, at least up to a point, for a tank to generate aggro through actual damage, rather than wearing pure mitigation gear and relying on wholly artificial threat creation. |
| 18:57.46 | Jelly-School | I lost that fucking shield to a ret paladin. |
| 18:57.50 | Jelly-School | I was so pissed off. |
| 18:57.58 | Syzgyn | We used to have the shield drop every week |
| 18:58.03 | Syzgyn | our shaman were taking em |
| 18:58.17 | AbsoRayne | Syzgyn: Up until last night, Vashj didnt drop a single Defender helm |
| 18:58.19 | Syzgyn | No illidan shield out of 8 or so kills, 6 cursed visions. |
| 18:58.25 | AbsoRayne | Last night she dropped 3. |
| 18:58.28 | AbsoRayne | Bitch |
| 18:58.29 | Syzgyn | hah |
| 18:58.30 | AbsoRayne | -_- |
| 18:58.48 | Syzgyn | Our last Kalecgos kill was triple prot :P |
| 18:58.52 | Lunessa | <--- Has never gotten to kill Gruul, Magtheridon, let alone go to Hyjal. |
| 18:59.14 | Jelly-School | Go raid then |
| 18:59.27 | dwest | Lunessa: Me either. Just Lollerzhan |
| 18:59.40 | ScytheBlade1 | http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1017929&cid=25625673 |
| 18:59.42 | AbsoRayne | Syzgyn: The guild im currently in is 8/9 BT, never killed Illy. Best attempt was 35%. The previous guild I was in is past Muru in Sunwell, but I didnt raid with them, I left after I took a break, and when I came back they were just so far for my gear level |
| 19:00.03 | AbsoRayne | The current guild, ive held their hands through BT, and when im not there they dont get shit done. :/ |
| 19:00.05 | End | wow, I fail at voting >_> |
| 19:00.06 | Lunessa | You know, for as many times as I ran kara (as a priest, a shaman, and warlock) I have bupkis for t4. |
| 19:00.07 | Syzgyn | :\ |
| 19:00.15 | Jelly-School | I /quit a Kara last night onmy shaman. 2 hours and we were at the back door? nothx |
| 19:00.19 | Syzgyn | Illidan is pretty damn easy now |
| 19:00.24 | Syzgyn | Wow Jelly |
| 19:00.24 | End | I had to "spoil" two ballots because I can't mark right |
| 19:00.27 | kneeki | lol wow |
| 19:00.32 | AbsoRayne | Syzgyn: I know, its depressing to watch. |
| 19:00.41 | kneeki | I'm really hoping to get Kara down today in less than 1hr 30min =) |
| 19:00.42 | dwest | Jelly-School: Wow. Thats no fun |
| 19:00.48 | kneeki | 1h 33m is my best time so far |
| 19:00.49 | Syzgyn | Jelly-School: If kara takes more than 45min now, something is wrong :P |
| 19:01.00 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.02 | AbsoRayne | 1h 50 mins my personal best |
| 19:01.04 | kneeki | Not this 45 minute kara BS |
| 19:01.07 | dwest | Our record for KZ is 82 minutes |
| 19:01.09 | cbreak | swiss ballots are filled by writing "Yes", "No" or names of candidates into fields |
| 19:01.25 | Jelly-School | I still want to see a timer of a 45 minute KAra because I don't believe. |
| 19:01.41 | kneeki | Jelly-School: I agree. I think it's all BS |
| 19:01.45 | dwest | we chain pull and its still takes about 90 minutes |
| 19:01.49 | Jelly-School | Same |
| 19:01.53 | End | Filling bubbles is too much like taking a test :P |
| 19:01.54 | kneeki | ^ that |
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| 19:02.12 | dwest | unless you skip stuff, Nightbane Netherspite |
| 19:02.14 | kneeki | You would have to seriously, pull 4-6 groups of mobs, aoe them down, and do the same thing to bosses |
| 19:02.19 | Jelly-School | Kill bosses in ~1-3 minutes but the run from the front to the back ALONE is like half of your 45 minutes even without mobs. |
| 19:02.19 | kneeki | Ah |
| 19:02.31 | kneeki | I always down the dragons |
| 19:02.34 | kneeki | maybe that's my problem |
| 19:02.35 | dwest | Same |
| 19:02.37 | Jelly-School | Same |
| 19:02.38 | kd3 | meh... pull rooms at a time |
| 19:02.43 | dwest | no way, its totally worth it |
| 19:02.45 | Syzgyn | I dunno, I havent timed it |
| 19:02.48 | kd3 | all of moroes' trash, etc... |
| 19:02.50 | Syzgyn | but yea, you pull rooms at a time |
| 19:02.50 | Jelly-School | Spite isn't a big deal. Nightbane can be kind of a douche |
| 19:03.05 | AbsoRayne | You can beat nightbane down to the point he never fears |
| 19:03.07 | Syzgyn | Burn nightbane while he's flying |
| 19:03.08 | AbsoRayne | its kinda funny |
| 19:03.08 | dwest | 1 sick pally tank and 3 healers, then fill out with massive dps |
| 19:03.17 | kneeki | ? |
| 19:03.23 | Syzgyn | AbsoRayne: You can beat nightbane to the 2nd air phase during the first :P |
| 19:03.24 | kneeki | I solo tank it, with my wife solo healing it |
| 19:03.27 | kneeki | 8 dps after that |
| 19:03.31 | Syzgyn | dwest: 2 heals |
| 19:03.35 | Syzgyn | at most |
| 19:03.40 | kneeki | ^ very most |
| 19:03.41 | AbsoRayne | Syzgyn: I bring usually 4-5 melee, cause im retarded |
| 19:03.45 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 19:03.45 | dwest | we do three heals so we can just run all teh time |
| 19:03.50 | bleeter | was that screenshot ever proven (that night could fear you outside of the kara walls onto the ground below)? |
| 19:03.53 | Jelly-School | I have some hoss healer friends but I don't want to put them through solo healing, the way I (prot paladin) pulls. |
| 19:03.58 | AbsoRayne | And enjoy watching people die to me getting ice tombed |
| 19:04.14 | AbsoRayne | WHO REMEMBERS WHEN THOSE SHITS COULDNT BE CC'D? |
| 19:04.17 | AbsoRayne | I hated that. |
| 19:04.18 | bleeter | damnit, who disconnected my USB coffee warmer??!!! |
| 19:04.19 | Syzgyn | Hahaha |
| 19:04.22 | dwest | you can down them before they ice |
| 19:04.24 | AbsoRayne | Death was totally inevitable. |
| 19:04.24 | Jelly-School | Who cc's them now anyway? |
| 19:04.26 | bleeter | stab stab stabbity stab |
| 19:04.40 | NightHawkTheSane | AbsoRayne: it wasn't inevitable, it just required actual skill |
| 19:04.49 | kneeki | I've been very lucky to not be ice tombed by the guys after maiden |
| 19:04.56 | kneeki | the last like, 4 runs |
| 19:04.59 | kneeki | not a single tomb |
| 19:05.01 | Jelly-School | It's hit or miss for me. |
| 19:05.06 | AbsoRayne | Actually, my favorite was stepping into Moroes room for the first time, getting to those guys on the side...youre in fresh heroic / crafted gear... |
| 19:05.09 | Jelly-School | Sometimes I get it and sometimes I don't. |
| 19:05.11 | dwest | they die so fast now its almost hard to get tombed |
| 19:05.16 | AbsoRayne | You get that drunk stun, and die in 3 seconds |
| 19:05.18 | Syzgyn | Argargarg extended maintenance |
| 19:05.18 | AbsoRayne | \o/ |
| 19:05.39 | Jelly-School | Syzgyn: So what you're saying is that I should go to sociology? lol |
| 19:05.51 | kd3 | blah |
| 19:05.52 | AbsoRayne | Im not shocked |
| 19:05.52 | Syzgyn | 1pm PST |
| 19:05.54 | kd3 | 13:00 pst now |
| 19:06.04 | AbsoRayne | Our realm was having issues last night |
| 19:06.11 | Jelly-School | So 3pm here. I get out of class at 3:30 so rock on. |
| 19:06.30 | Jelly-School | Still tempted to peace out if she doesn't say we're having a quiz. |
| 19:06.48 | Jelly-School | Kind of pissed at her (She's the only reason I'm here instead of volunteering at a polling location) |
| 19:07.10 | bleeter | Syzgyn: old news |
| 19:07.19 | Syzgyn | bleeter: ? |
| 19:07.21 | bleeter | funny that Dreadmaul is showing in the realm selector, though |
| 19:07.23 | bleeter | 1PM :P |
| 19:07.34 | Syzgyn | Your face is old news. |
| 19:07.38 | bleeter | no u |
| 19:07.49 | Dewin | Know if the maint includes patch 3.0.3 yet? |
| 19:07.52 | Syzgyn | Yes |
| 19:07.56 | bleeter | no |
| 19:07.57 | kd3 | we've all already patched |
| 19:07.58 | AbsoRayne | it does |
| 19:08.01 | Syzgyn | already downloaded and patched. |
| 19:08.03 | bleeter | lize |
| 19:08.08 | Dewin | tiny patch I take it? |
| 19:08.08 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter sucks |
| 19:08.10 | Syzgyn | ~fail bleeter |
| 19:08.10 | purl | bleeter, you Fail! |
| 19:08.14 | kd3 | 20 megs |
| 19:08.17 | AbsoRayne | thanks for the horrendous ret nerfs, so needed to put them below shadow priests on dps. |
| 19:08.18 | Dewin | tiny enough |
| 19:08.20 | bleeter | Dewin: yeah, ~20Mb |
| 19:08.25 | Dewin | Not big enough to bother using a real torrent client on |
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| 19:08.37 | bleeter | AbsoRayne: you seen the spriest MF bugs? |
| 19:08.41 | bleeter | they're pretty.. amusing |
| 19:08.49 | bleeter | can't guarantee 3 ticks, sometimes 2 sometimes 4 |
| 19:08.50 | bleeter | and |
| 19:09.01 | bleeter | cast MF, then spin 180 degrees, you're still casting but doing 0 dmg |
| 19:09.26 | kd3 | whee at wine breaking pulse |
| 19:09.36 | Jelly-School | Rayne: I'm just hoping that some of the healers will come back now. |
| 19:09.40 | bleeter | iirc tigole's said if they can't fix it they may have to revert to the old MF and redo the SP talent tree :/ |
| 19:09.46 | Beladona | bleeter: would that not happen with other spells? |
| 19:09.56 | Beladona | its the whole "facing" issue |
| 19:10.18 | Dewin | losing LOS usually breaks it I thought, not 'still casts but 0 dmg' |
| 19:10.29 | Beladona | good point |
| 19:10.43 | bleeter | there's also some misery interaction that's apparently screwed up too |
| 19:10.59 | Beladona | I dont like healing on my shaman as much as I did pre-3.0 |
| 19:11.04 | Beladona | not totally positive why |
| 19:11.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: agreed, on both counts. |
| 19:11.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: my best guess is that the downranking change probably hurt us more than most classes |
| 19:11.33 | Beladona | yeah |
| 19:11.40 | Beladona | I never downranked though tbh |
| 19:11.45 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, well.. |
| 19:11.47 | Beladona | I always had a crapload of mp5 so didn't care |
| 19:11.56 | NightHawkTheSane | I felt like by the time people have taken enough damage to warrent a CH/HW, some priest had already spammed COH twice anyway |
| 19:12.10 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, I used CH3/4 a -lot-. |
| 19:12.41 | bleeter | kd3: what part did it break? |
| 19:12.44 | Beladona | on the flip side, I just picked up my first piece of t6 elemental gear, the boots. Gonna go back and pick up the shoulders so I can have 4 of resto, and 2 of ele |
| 19:12.52 | NightHawkTheSane | nice :) |
| 19:13.00 | Beladona | the 2 piece on ele is hawt |
| 19:13.04 | bleeter | kd3: I'm cleaning out my F9 box etc., haven't had a look yet. |
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| 19:13.06 | Cidan | wow |
| 19:13.07 | kd3 | err:alsa:ALSA_XRUNRecovery underrun recovery failed. prepare failed: Input/output error |
| 19:13.07 | kd3 | \Wrath of the Lich King Beta\WoW.exe: pcm_pulse.c:198: pulse_pointer: Assertion `pcm->stream' failed. |
| 19:13.18 | Cidan | kd3: lol@your e-mail subject |
| 19:13.29 | kd3 | "election day special!"? |
| 19:13.32 | Cidan | Yeah |
| 19:13.36 | Cidan | I lawled |
| 19:13.48 | End | kd3 reminded me to go vote ;-p |
| 19:13.48 | Beladona | lol |
| 19:13.58 | bleeter | End: vote early, vote often. |
| 19:14.02 | Beladona | this is like, the first time I have beaten you to a compare I think |
| 19:14.11 | bleeter | kd3: can you try switching back to (please don't hit me) OSS? |
| 19:14.14 | End | if I vote often, it'd probably be considered voter fraud |
| 19:14.19 | End | unless you mean often outside of today |
| 19:14.21 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: found your problem... pulseaudio! |
| 19:14.25 | NightHawkTheSane | End: pfft. voting on election day is for losers. early voting ftw. |
| 19:14.33 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: s/pulse/linux/ |
| 19:14.39 | Cidan | The new G1 Android is.. nice, by the way. |
| 19:14.44 | Beladona | you have it? |
| 19:14.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: yes, yes it is. |
| 19:14.51 | Cidan | Yus |
| 19:14.51 | End | I should have early voted |
| 19:14.54 | End | but I didn't |
| 19:14.55 | End | meh |
| 19:14.56 | ScytheBlade1 | s/bleeter/troll/ |
| 19:14.56 | Beladona | did you have an iPhone? |
| 19:14.57 | NightHawkTheSane | I've had mine for a while now |
| 19:15.04 | Cidan | No, but I used one for a while. |
| 19:15.08 | End | they even bothered me to let me mail-in vote, but the walk does me good :) |
| 19:15.08 | Beladona | how does it compare |
| 19:15.22 | Cidan | I prefer G1 to iPhone, simply for the fact that I can write my own applications. |
| 19:15.24 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: you win the award for pointing out the bleeding obvious! :P |
| 19:15.26 | Cidan | That |
| 19:15.26 | NightHawkTheSane | End: pfft, you can walk anytime. i hate lines. |
| 19:15.28 | Cidan | and |
| 19:15.35 | Cidan | The Android platform will work on multiple phones |
| 19:15.36 | End | no line where I went :) |
| 19:15.39 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: http://flickr.com/photos/jeremyhall/3002669155/sizes/o/ |
| 19:15.39 | Beladona | the keyboard is a big selling point for me |
| 19:15.48 | NightHawkTheSane | End: good deal then. :) |
| 19:15.48 | Beladona | I prefer hardware keyboards |
| 19:15.59 | Cidan | A lot of people complain about it, with that "chin" part being in the way |
| 19:15.59 | End | yeah, there was like 30 booths too |
| 19:16.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: really? that's one of the downsides to it, for me |
| 19:16.03 | End | only like 4 were being used |
| 19:16.09 | Cidan | I think it's fine though |
| 19:16.14 | Beladona | I never liked the on-screen keyboard on the iphone |
| 19:16.15 | Cidan | I can type great with it. |
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| 19:16.20 | Beladona | my fingers are too big I think |
| 19:16.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Actually, what I find most obnoxious is that there's just -no- form of text entry if the phone is 'closed' |
| 19:16.32 | Cidan | Beladona: Go down to a T-Mobile shop and ask them to see one |
| 19:16.39 | Beladona | that and I dont look at my keyboard when I type |
| 19:16.41 | End | Beladona: so you have a G1? |
| 19:16.45 | End | is it good? |
| 19:16.45 | Beladona | so I prefer some type of tactile feedback |
| 19:16.49 | End | I'm thinking of getting one |
| 19:16.57 | Cidan | End: It's nice, I love it. |
| 19:16.58 | NightHawkTheSane | End: I like mine. |
| 19:16.59 | Beladona | not yet, but I want one |
| 19:17.00 | End | cool |
| 19:17.01 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: looks like the spider that crawled across the steering wheel of my car the other day as I was doing 100kph |
| 19:17.10 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, creepy |
| 19:17.11 | Cidan | the GPS + Google Maps == win |
| 19:17.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 19:17.18 | Cidan | and the barcode scanner is insane nice |
| 19:17.22 | Beladona | iphone has that though |
| 19:17.28 | kd3 | blah. padsp doesn't seem to want to stick |
| 19:17.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: does that work well? |
| 19:17.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i was kinda skeptical about that |
| 19:17.35 | Cidan | It works perfect |
| 19:17.37 | kd3 | it's actually acting like oss and taking control of the soundcard |
| 19:17.40 | NightHawkTheSane | awesome. |
| 19:17.43 | Cidan | I scanned everything I could find |
| 19:17.48 | Cidan | works without a hitch |
| 19:17.51 | Cidan | never had one issue |
| 19:18.00 | End | I hadn't talked to anyone who had one yet |
| 19:18.04 | Cidan | tells me all the stores around me that have the product, along with maps |
| 19:18.07 | End | so I wasn't sure if it was worth a damn |
| 19:18.32 | Cidan | worst case, you cancel the contract within 20 days |
| 19:18.59 | End | I didn't know I had that option, but cool |
| 19:19.05 | AbsoRayne | God damnit |
| 19:19.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Writing SQL queries that join 7 tables kinda sucks -.- |
| 19:19.10 | Beladona | I have AT&T though |
| 19:19.10 | AbsoRayne | Someone lead my BT raid tonight |
| 19:19.12 | Beladona | =( |
| 19:19.13 | AbsoRayne | I want to sleep. |
| 19:19.23 | Beladona | you need to lead BT? |
| 19:19.32 | Beladona | I thought you could just wave your arms in the air for 2 hours now |
| 19:19.37 | Cidan | T-Mobile is better, imo. The plans are cheaper, and you get more. |
| 19:19.40 | AbsoRayne | Beladona: Not really no |
| 19:19.42 | Cidan | the MyFaves == win. |
| 19:19.45 | batrick | Shirik|zZz: your problem was a tail call (#batbot) |
| 19:19.49 | End | yeah |
| 19:19.51 | Lunessa | wheee.... new mobo for office machine because coredumping is no fun. |
| 19:19.56 | Cidan | any 5 numbers you want == unlimited calling, at all times. |
| 19:19.58 | AbsoRayne | Try that on Bloodboil, RoS, Shazz, IC, Illidan...see what happens |
| 19:20.01 | End | I was already looking into T-Mobile for phone service :) |
| 19:20.02 | Cidan | They can be on any network, any number. |
| 19:20.09 | Beladona | all my friends are on at&t |
| 19:20.13 | Beladona | = free |
| 19:20.15 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:20.23 | Cidan | So I'm not your friend? D= |
| 19:20.25 | Cidan | Just kidding |
| 19:20.28 | End | it was either that or verizon, but I'd get more out of myfaves rather than just free in-network calling |
| 19:20.28 | Beladona | not yet |
| 19:20.34 | Cidan | Oh, and the G1 can picture text, =D |
| 19:20.36 | Beladona | I dont have your number, or a reason to call you |
| 19:20.38 | Cidan | take that iPhone! |
| 19:20.39 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 19:20.52 | Beladona | you know what pissed me off about the iphone? |
| 19:20.57 | Cidan | no video recording? |
| 19:21.03 | NightHawkTheSane | End: i really don't hear many good things about verizon >.> |
| 19:21.07 | Beladona | I was looking to save money |
| 19:21.12 | Cidan | Hah, good luck. |
| 19:21.17 | Tekkub | don't get a phone |
| 19:21.18 | Beladona | and they told me I could drop the iphone inet package |
| 19:21.22 | Tekkub | save lots of money |
| 19:21.22 | Beladona | so I did |
| 19:21.32 | Beladona | what they don't tell you is, you can't use normal voicemail |
| 19:21.36 | Tekkub | <-- no phone :P |
| 19:21.36 | Beladona | on the iphone |
| 19:21.39 | Beladona | its visual or nothing |
| 19:21.51 | End | some of my friends have verizon |
| 19:21.54 | Beladona | and without that package, visual goes away |
| 19:21.55 | bleeter | Was thinking about the lack of decent 'privacy' on the friend list last night, it got me wondering... anyone heard if Blizz are going to join with Google, Yahoo and M$ for the Chinese user privacy foo? |
| 19:22.14 | End | as do my parents |
| 19:22.24 | Cidan | bleeter: What are you talking about? |
| 19:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan: I don't think even he knows |
| 19:24.08 | End | http://images.stage6.com/channel_images/refuselife/46b04019063ef.jpg |
| 19:25.05 | Beladona | new wallpaper |
| 19:25.24 | bleeter | Cidan: http://www.forbes.com/technology/2008/10/28/privacy-google-yahoo-tech-security-cx_ec_ag_1028privacy.html |
| 19:25.40 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I've got a vague idea.. see above about some PITA disconnecting my coffee foo... brb. |
| 19:26.40 | Cidan | ah |
| 19:27.19 | Cidan | Well it's not like you can deny a direct request for information from a government, unless you want to be jailed. What they want to do is make it so it's not possible to get said information, because they won't log it, etc. |
| 19:27.25 | Cidan | The idea is, even if it's ordered, it can't be done |
| 19:27.37 | Cidan | That works here in the USA, maybe, and it might not. |
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| 19:28.04 | Cidan | But in other countries, ie: China? Fuck that, they will -make- Blizzard/Google/Whoever change the way their model works so it logs data, period. |
| 19:28.14 | Beladona | is the android interface fairly skinnable? |
| 19:28.20 | Cidan | Either they do it, or it's jail/revoke ability to do business. |
| 19:28.24 | Cidan | Beladona: hm. |
| 19:28.28 | Cidan | Beladona: Let's find out. |
| 19:29.43 | linear` | is like UnitName and UnitExists clientside |
| 19:30.19 | Cidan | Beladona: Eh, I only see wallpaper options, but, it's still a new platform. Remember that it's open source and that anyone can write any software for it. |
| 19:30.38 | Cidan | linear`: What do you mean, is the data pulled from the client? No, the server reports the data to the client. |
| 19:31.14 | |pez| | So, it's election day! |
| 19:31.28 | smcn | i voted oct 17 :P |
| 19:31.31 | alestane | At least in the US. |
| 19:32.02 | |pez| | alestane: But most people care, since the US is so large it affects a lot of non US people and places. |
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| 19:33.13 | Fisker- | Cidan blizzard can't even operate in china |
| 19:33.24 | Fisker- | they need to have someone on the inside to do it >:3 |
| 19:34.08 | Cidan | Fisker-: You are mistaken. They "can" operate in China, it just wouldn't be practical to do so. |
| 19:34.31 | Cidan | It would be wiser to outsource it in that area, this way Blizzard doesn't have to build an entire infrastructure. |
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| 19:36.48 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065386230&sid=1 |
| 19:37.11 | bleeter | poor guy, some guild person took a shine to him and is harassing him. he's married. Blizz's solution? Multiple GM tickets, or pay $25. |
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| 19:44.51 | Lunessa | bleeter: Blizzard didn't have anything to say in that thread. |
| 19:46.02 | bleeter | Lunessa: the inferred reply is based off seeing multiple threads each and every week have the same response. |
| 19:46.29 | bleeter | such as the woman on the weekend allegedly being stalked by an X |
| 19:47.23 | Lunessa | bleeter: How is Blizzard responsible for the woman's behavior? How can they be sure the man's claims are true? If I own a night club, am I responsible if a man and woman meet there, and one becomes obsessed with the other? |
| 19:47.25 | Beladona | bleeter: I couldn't help myself. I replied |
| 19:48.25 | bleeter | Lunessa: each and every day I'm seeing less and less reason for /ignore to not operate account wide. |
| 19:48.34 | bleeter | er s/seeing/feeling/ |
| 19:49.08 | Lunessa | It would be nice. But the implication is then that you get more information about someone else's identity. |
| 19:49.22 | Beladona | not necessarily |
| 19:49.32 | bleeter | how so? it'd only do that if you had their alts already on your friend's list |
| 19:50.01 | bleeter | the only place it'd be a problem that I can think of, is the old parent/minor situation. someone annoys the kid, is /ignored, and the parent's none the wiser |
| 19:50.04 | Beladona | there are drawbacks to that though |
| 19:50.20 | bleeter | that it's fairly tricky for a parent to set up persistent chat logs for their child is a different matter. |
| 19:50.34 | bleeter | although somewhat related, imo |
| 19:51.08 | bleeter | Beladona: I'm curious, what drawbacks do you foresee? |
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| 19:52.17 | bleeter | Beladona: lol at your post in that thread :) |
| 19:52.32 | nudave | I wish there was a way to ignore groups of people |
| 19:52.32 | Beladona | =P |
| 19:52.38 | nudave | like a guild |
| 19:52.45 | nudave | or...all level 1's |
| 19:52.51 | Beladona | make an addon that does it |
| 19:52.57 | Beladona | should be pretty easy |
| 19:53.05 | bleeter | modify spammenot |
| 19:53.18 | bleeter | it already has lvl 1 protection foo, afaik doesn't do the guild foo |
| 19:53.48 | Cidan | bleeter: I'm going to make an irssi script that removes "foo" from all text |
| 19:53.56 | nudave | harassmenot |
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| 19:56.36 | Beladona | foolish |
| 19:57.19 | Beladona | are the servers up? (too lazy to check) |
| 19:57.25 | nudave | 1pm PST |
| 19:57.33 | Beladona | grrr |
| 19:57.34 | nudave | another hour? |
| 19:57.38 | nudave | I think |
| 19:57.39 | Beladona | yeah |
| 19:58.09 | Beladona | they should have a development server similar to the ptr, that patches a day later than live |
| 19:58.15 | mikma | hows the election going? |
| 19:58.23 | Beladona | that way we can continue testing and coding even on tuesdays |
| 19:58.55 | nudave | or just an offline type mode thing |
| 19:58.55 | mikma | bleeter: btw irssi script for s/foo/bar/ exists |
| 19:59.06 | Beladona | of course, non-addon-developers would get on there just to get their fix, so nm |
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| 19:59.58 | Beladona | kd3: how did sunwell go for you the other day? |
| 20:00.05 | Beladona | when you poked me |
| 20:00.38 | kd3 | got brut down. felmyst into the 50s |
| 20:00.44 | Beladona | sweet |
| 20:00.50 | Beladona | arcane pots are your friend |
| 20:01.43 | Beladona | unfortunately they share a cooldown with mana pots |
| 20:01.45 | Beladona | =( |
| 20:01.49 | kd3 | ya |
| 20:01.55 | Beladona | but its worth it |
| 20:02.06 | Beladona | we took 10 cauldrons and beat him in 4 |
| 20:02.20 | kd3 | I sure as hell hope not |
| 20:02.26 | bleeter | lol |
| 20:02.48 | kd3 | though thankfully with snackwell the conjuring burden is lessened... |
| 20:02.56 | Beladona | with the pot nerf, they should uncouple health and mana pots |
| 20:03.03 | Beladona | to different cooldowns |
| 20:03.06 | bleeter | Beladona: too true |
| 20:05.52 | Beladona | or maybe health/mana on one cooldown, and status on another |
| 20:05.58 | Beladona | like resist pots |
| 20:06.06 | Beladona | arcane protection for example |
| 20:07.20 | Jelly-School | http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/ Whew. I was beginning to worry |
| 20:08.10 | Syzgyn | kd3: Issues with people dying to encapsulate? |
| 20:08.27 | kd3 | ya |
| 20:08.57 | Syzgyn | yeah, thats what held us up too. First time we had everyone alive into P2, she died. |
| 20:09.05 | bleeter | and now for a maintenance lolwut moment... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7708411.stm |
| 20:09.17 | kd3 | it'll be the same for us. just a function of getting healers on the ball and everyone else the hell out of the way |
| 20:09.31 | Syzgyn | Mmhmm |
| 20:09.32 | bleeter | 'Cat and dog owners are to be told to provide "entertainment" and "mental stimulation" for their pets under new government advice.' |
| 20:09.50 | Syzgyn | If you're like my guild, I'd suggest doing Eredar twins backwards |
| 20:09.53 | Syzgyn | so much easier. |
| 20:10.20 | Syzgyn | bleeter: wtfmate? |
| 20:11.28 | bleeter | some of the comments are even more amusing than the article itself... 'I've provided a small bridge and 'no fishing' sign for my goldfish. Is this sufficient under the 2006 Animal Welfare Act?' |
| 20:12.09 | nudave | "Cat and dog owners" |
| 20:12.44 | smcn | realms seem to be trickling up |
| 20:12.54 | smcn | if that's even possible |
| 20:13.02 | nudave | could be |
| 20:13.14 | nudave | they said "all realms are expected to be up by 1pm PST" |
| 20:13.21 | smcn | maybe in an mc escher painting |
| 20:13.23 | nudave | so, some could be up before? |
| 20:13.35 | kd3 | if they figure out what caused all of the servers to fall down and go boom |
| 20:13.36 | Syzgyn | My realm is showing up offline, wasnt even on the list 5 min ago |
| 20:13.37 | bleeter | which is new blizz speak for 'hopefully we'll start having them up by 12:30' |
| 20:13.59 | mikma | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/12197384552-beta-realms-down-at-12am-pst.html |
| 20:14.41 | bleeter | wonder if kirkburn went off to amuse his pussy |
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| 20:20.16 | bleeter | yar, many realms now up. looks like a couple of battlegroups aren't, though. |
| 20:21.27 | Syzgyn | Noooooo |
| 20:21.34 | Syzgyn | Brooms aren't instant cast anymore |
| 20:21.38 | Dashkal | Feral armor changes confirmed: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/26/12065155972-upcoming-feral-changes.html (also confirming the cheaper bear/cat for ferals) |
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| 20:24.22 | NeoTron | Syzgyn: sadness |
| 20:24.28 | Syzgyn | I know :( |
| 20:24.56 | NeoTron | not that the brooms will last much longer |
| 20:25.00 | Syzgyn | Yea |
| 20:25.01 | mikma | 3) A feral staff will now grant 0 armor. |
| 20:25.11 | Lopeppeppy | WTB some paladin fixes soon... http://blue.mmo-champion.com/5/12065385547-youre-not-finished--are-you.html |
| 20:25.11 | mikma | does this mean that even if the staff has 550 armor it's 0 ? |
| 20:25.13 | Syzgyn | I was planning on doing some rep grinding before mine disappeared though |
| 20:25.30 | bleeter | mikma: reads that way to me... |
| 20:25.35 | duaiwe | mikma: i'd assume "feral" weapons will have any armor removed from them |
| 20:25.40 | |Yssaril| | mikma: they may just remove it from all staffs |
| 20:25.45 | mikma | god damnit |
| 20:26.06 | NightHawkTheSane | although that may finally convince me to upgrade earthwarden >.> |
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| 20:26.36 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: yeah lol |
| 20:26.45 | Dashkal | mikma: they're promising to make up the difference elsewhere, and the change is also post wotlk, so existing items are irelevant |
| 20:27.08 | Dashkal | Does neatly negate the temptation to use badge of tenacity and earthwarden at 80 |
| 20:27.12 | mikma | dashkal: so the changes are not in this patch / release od wotlk? |
| 20:27.38 | |Yssaril| | mikma: nope see last paragraph of that post |
| 20:27.42 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: "This change will NOT be in effect when Lich King ships." |
| 20:27.49 | Dashkal | mikma: correct. This will probably be 3.0.4 or some such |
| 20:28.07 | mikma | okidoki. |
| 20:28.07 | mikma | so, when will we get instance in wetlands? |
| 20:28.08 | Dashkal | mikma: we're getting warned ahead of time so we can base our decisions for gear and such on the news |
| 20:28.13 | Lopeppeppy | WoW 7.0 |
| 20:28.36 | Dashkal | I'm very glad for the change. I'm sick of having to jump on +armor items onlyt |
| 20:28.38 | NeoTron | curiously enough the post doesn't state how they would make up for the loss |
| 20:28.39 | Lopeppeppy | I'd like to point out that I'm clinically crazy today. Just sayin'. |
| 20:28.59 | Dashkal | "We will adjust the bear armor modifiers so that your net mitigation does NOT go down with these changes." |
| 20:29.07 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: "today"? |
| 20:29.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: agreed |
| 20:29.16 | Lopeppeppy | Dashkal, dirty pool! |
| 20:29.45 | NeoTron | Dashkal: aha, I skipped that part it seems |
| 20:30.23 | Dashkal | The feral talent to make cat/bear cheaper seems cool, but too strong as stated there (I thought they _didn't_ want powershifting in the arena...) |
| 20:30.30 | NeoTron | good changes for sure |
| 20:30.48 | Dashkal | I was expecting another survival instincts like "make me survive better" pvp talent |
| 20:30.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: meh, its a non-change for pve, really, which is all that matters :) |
| 20:31.08 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: for pvp I love it, it'll make my shapedancing even easier |
| 20:31.14 | Dashkal | erm, pve |
| 20:31.15 | Dashkal | e |
| 20:31.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i've never had an issue with mana in pve *shrug* |
| 20:31.36 | Dashkal | I'm the druid who won't hesitate to go bear, taunt off the healer, hold it until the tank gets it back, then pop out to help heal a bit to make up for it |
| 20:31.41 | zenzelezz | shapedancing? Do you switch forms often? |
| 20:32.07 | Dashkal | zenzelezz: it's a handy skill to have while learning and there's lots of "oh shit" moments |
| 20:32.13 | Dashkal | Once a place is on farm you don'tneed it |
| 20:32.35 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: I'm actually playing as Tremere atm (just picked up bloodlines) again, but if I ever get a chance to roleplay it, I'm a Malk. |
| 20:33.02 | Dashkal | that closing paren needs to move one word to the right... |
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| 20:33.21 | Lopeppeppy | I think Tremere is the right clan -- the artistic ones? |
| 20:33.40 | Dashkal | Toreador |
| 20:33.44 | Dashkal | Tremere are blood mages |
| 20:33.52 | Lopeppeppy | Grrr, I get the T's mixed up, I'm sorry. |
| 20:33.52 | nudave | grrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 20:33.54 | NeoTron | I can't wait to actually play DK on live. |
| 20:34.04 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't played in about 10 years. |
| 20:34.05 | nudave | im tired of people telling me that voting is a "civic duty" |
| 20:34.05 | NeoTron | initially it'll suck but.. ah well |
| 20:34.06 | Dashkal | Somehow I'm not surprised you're a toreador :p |
| 20:34.16 | Dashkal | I'm just batshit crazy to begin with. Malkavians come easy |
| 20:34.25 | Dashkal | nudave: it's your civid duty, go vote :p |
| 20:34.33 | Lopeppeppy | Take a Toreador and drive her batshit crazy... it's wicked fun. |
| 20:34.50 | nudave | :( |
| 20:34.54 | Dashkal | NeoTron: It'll be busy, but shouldn't suck too bad. This isn't going to be anywhere near as bad as BC launch when EVERYBODY was in HF |
| 20:34.56 | nudave | its not a civic duty! |
| 20:35.14 | Dashkal | nudave: I'm teasing, actually. But it _is_ a damn good idea so long as you're informed. |
| 20:35.31 | Lunessa | I was all into V:tM until my good friend Paul Lidberg at Crunchy Frog summed the game up for me, "A bunch of posers standing around talking about how damned they all are." Game over. |
| 20:35.33 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: oh that does sound fun |
| 20:36.03 | nudave | sure, it does sound like a good idea, but when I'm in a state that is going to be for the democratic party anyway, whats the point :p |
| 20:36.06 | Dashkal | Lunessa: shitty group then :p All about the good group. I never found one so never got to roleplay it *sigh*. 'sides, if I actually got a chance to do the pen and paper version I'd be a mage |
| 20:36.23 | NeoTron | Dashkal: well it'll suck to play through outlands... again :P |
| 20:36.26 | Dashkal | nudave: states shift over time, not in one election. Vote, vote every time, and if you get enough you can shift it |
| 20:36.34 | Dashkal | NeoTron: no argument there, but it's quick |
| 20:36.42 | nudave | uh, im in NY heh |
| 20:36.45 | NeoTron | Dashkal: not so much worried about too many people because I do believe a significant majority will play their main characters |
| 20:36.52 | Dashkal | NeoTron: agreed |
| 20:36.54 | Cidan | NYC will never, ever go republican. =D |
| 20:36.57 | nudave | THey should get rid of those stupid polls.... |
| 20:36.59 | Dashkal | I'm the only confirmed DK in my guild |
| 20:37.03 | NeoTron | it was hard for me to make the choice to leave my mains behind |
| 20:37.18 | Dashkal | nudave: I'm inclined to agree. Voting would be much more honest if people didn't "know" how it was going to go |
| 20:37.25 | NeoTron | I'm the only one rerolling from the guild - we MIGHT have a second guy joining us that we met on beta but haven't heard anything from him for a long time |
| 20:37.47 | NeoTron | nudave: I agree completely. "predicting" results from polls is not productive |
| 20:37.50 | Dashkal | But my point stands. even mainstays can shift over time. It just takes a LOT of time |
| 20:37.56 | Lunessa | Heh... I'm going to be looking for a new home. :/ |
| 20:38.00 | NeoTron | and it's even worse to call out a winner and then realize you were in fact wrong |
| 20:38.27 | Dashkal | and it won't happen unless the desenting[sp?] crowd actually votes. |
| 20:38.37 | Lopeppeppy | Dissenting |
| 20:38.38 | End | oh dear, StableBoy's filter broke |
| 20:39.23 | Dashkal | danke |
| 20:39.25 | NightHawkTheSane | nudave: there are a LOT of downticket races that are not so 'locked up' as national ones. there's a HUGE point in voting for those. it -is- your civic duty to be informed and vote. Don't bitch. do it. |
| 20:39.56 | End | yeah, local is not only where you can make an impact, but where you should |
| 20:40.06 | NeoTron | Dashkal: any doubts I had about going DK though, were quickly wiped away when I went back to my l80 beta DK after not having played him since 3.0 came out. I really do enjoy DK a heck of a lot. the mechanic etc |
| 20:40.08 | Dashkal | I'm still bitter that Canada had one of the worst (if not the worst) voter turnouts in history. |
| 20:40.10 | bleeter | as an aussie, i'm quite excited at the prospect that the US federal gorvnment and president might actually be voted for by more than 50% of the population for once :P |
| 20:40.23 | Dashkal | NeoTron: agreed. That's ultimately what converted me permenantly |
| 20:40.33 | NeoTron | I considered ret pally because, in a way, it plays similarily |
| 20:40.41 | NeoTron | and I already had a l70 pally |
| 20:40.47 | Dashkal | But I still enjoy my druid, especially with the energy mechanics in 3.0. So I'll actually have an alt at 70 |
| 20:40.59 | NeoTron | but having played on live I realized that ret pally is <press 3-4 buttons> <wait 3-5 seconds> <repeat> kind of play |
| 20:41.05 | NeoTron | which isn't exactly too compelling |
| 20:41.24 | Dashkal | bleeter: no kidding. In canada the single largest vote was the abstainers. More people refused to vote than voted for the winners |
| 20:41.30 | NeoTron | and hunter was another choice - great DPS and all but I find it amazingly boring :P |
| 20:41.36 | NeoTron | relatively speaking that is. |
| 20:42.01 | Dewin | Neotron: Hunter is even more boring than ret pally. |
| 20:42.08 | NeoTron | and I'm sort of over my warlock. time for a change... first time playing a class without cast times on abilities |
| 20:42.13 | Dashkal | NeoTron: agreed. Beast mastery is fun but so ez-mode it's difficult to get into it. And given that it fosters (maybe only in the past, haven't played post 3.0) such a lazy way to play I'd prolly end up another huntard |
| 20:42.34 | bleeter | Dashkal: we have compulsory voting here. technically impossible to 'police' by the electoral comissioner's representitives as they're not allowed to look over your shoulder when you vote, so it's more accurately portrayed as 'compulsory attendance at a polling place' |
| 20:42.39 | Dashkal | also agreed. All IC powers win |
| 20:42.49 | Dewin | At least as BM, it's: ss.... ss.... ss.... ss.... hit kill command, hit bestial wrath, pop trinket... ss... ss ... hmm my hate is kind of high, FD... ss |
| 20:42.54 | NeoTron | my alts will all be leveled |
| 20:43.01 | bleeter | although, of course, postal/absentee votes mean you don't have to attend on the day, either |
| 20:43.13 | NeoTron | my hunter is a herber/skinner (likely first alt I'll level), and my warlock is miner/jc (might dualbox with my hunter) |
| 20:43.17 | Dashkal | bleeter: We don't do that one. I have mixed feelings about it anyway. I'd rather people _want_ to vote. I abstain from any election I don't understand (so haven't yet voted in a civil election) |
| 20:43.20 | Dewin | I think election day should be a federal holiday like it is in some other countries. |
| 20:43.21 | NeoTron | pally is herb/alchemy and will be last most likely |
| 20:43.35 | Cidan | I think election day should be "officially" over 2-3 days |
| 20:43.38 | Dashkal | Dewin: we're close. Employers MUST let you go vote. |
| 20:43.38 | Cidan | On a weekend. |
| 20:44.01 | Dashkal | NeoTron: I can't decide on my DKs profs. I'm considering blacksmithing/skinning |
| 20:44.09 | nudave | yes, they must...if you dont have 2 hours before or after work to do it. |
| 20:44.15 | zenzelezz | are American stores allowed to sell alcohol on election day? |
| 20:44.16 | NeoTron | I'm actually goign alchemy/inscription |
| 20:44.26 | Cidan | yes? |
| 20:44.35 | Dashkal | Dewin: you're better off with the former anyway. The election in most (obviously not all cases) will be decided without the mail-in balots |
| 20:44.37 | Cidan | Shit, I'm drunk right now. |
| 20:44.38 | NeoTron | alchemy for 4h flasks, plus the AP bonus, inscription for the shoulder armor (with the bonus) |
| 20:44.51 | NeoTron | might not be absolutely the best but I'm not at a most hard core level of raiding |
| 20:44.53 | zenzelezz | Cidan: over here they're not allowed to |
| 20:44.57 | NeoTron | so it's about fun too |
| 20:44.58 | nudave | federal holiday or not....some people will be forced to work anyway. |
| 20:45.00 | Cidan | That's nuts |
| 20:45.00 | KarlKFI_ | good |
| 20:45.01 | NeoTron | and 2x the flask durations to me is a nice boon |
| 20:45.05 | Dashkal | NeoTron: inscription is tempting, but I'll wait on the new glyphs first. So far I just don't need the extra slot on my DK |
| 20:45.07 | Dewin | Dashkal: Oregon does absentee ballots by default. |
| 20:45.27 | Dashkal | Dewin: ahh, different system than I expected. nevermind then |
| 20:45.30 | NeoTron | Dashkal: ah but the extra slot doesn't seem to exist |
| 20:45.43 | NeoTron | Dashkal: the bonus is really solely the shoulder enchants.. and scrolls of recall |
| 20:45.56 | NeoTron | I think the bonus was 60 AP or so? |
| 20:45.57 | Dashkal | NeoTron: if it doesn't come, then there's no reason I'll make him a scribe. the shoulder chants don't mean more to me than the crit or whatever the stormhearald will be |
| 20:46.06 | Dashkal | but I'll decide later |
| 20:46.10 | Cidan | lol@CNN right now tearing into Joe the Plumber |
| 20:46.12 | Dashkal | I won't be leveling my profs until 80 anyway |
| 20:46.26 | Cidan | Rick Sanchez is tearing him a new asshole. |
| 20:46.34 | Dewin | Dashkal: We were going to vote yesterday but I was feeling really sick so we get to do it tonight. And since I won't have time to mail them, I have to drive and drop them off at the library anyways. |
| 20:46.39 | Lopeppeppy | They made that too easy, IMO, Cidan. |
| 20:46.42 | Dashkal | Savrine(druid) will remain a miner/engy. So if I do make dash a blacksmith I have a miner to get the mats for me |
| 20:46.51 | Dewin | There's a position on our ballot with nobody running for it, so my wife and I are going to write-in myself and see what happens. |
| 20:47.03 | Dashkal | Dewin: careful, you might win :p |
| 20:47.19 | Dewin | Dashkal: I figure if I do, I'll resign and make a public statement about the fact that every vote really does count. |
| 20:47.20 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.28 | NeoTron | 64 AP |
| 20:47.34 | Dashkal | Dewin: win |
| 20:47.37 | Dewin | Or I'll just be that person on the board of directors that takes a paycheck but never actually shows up. |
| 20:47.39 | Cidan | I'm so happy to see Rick on CNN, I've met him more than once when I lived in Miami. |
| 20:47.40 | Dashkal | NeoTron: hrm, that _is_ tempting as well |
| 20:47.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: what position? :P |
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| 20:47.55 | Dewin | Clackamas County Water and Soil Preservation District Zone 2 Director. |
| 20:48.02 | NeoTron | tank one is 32 dodge rating, not quite as good |
| 20:48.02 | Dashkal | NeoTron: I'll decide later. I've already put some work into making my rogue alt a scribe, but she's only 150ish |
| 20:48.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: wow, that sounds like a long title for a boring job |
| 20:48.16 | Dewin | I'll be in charge of mud! |
| 20:48.16 | NeoTron | due to the diminishing returns |
| 20:48.24 | Cidan | woah |
| 20:48.25 | Cidan | what |
| 20:48.25 | Cidan | the |
| 20:48.26 | Dashkal | If that extra slot appears though the decision may get easier. They've repeatedly stated that many more glyphs are on the way. |
| 20:48.28 | Cidan | fuck, did this update do |
| 20:48.31 | Cidan | to my interface |
| 20:48.34 | Cidan | it broke shit. |
| 20:48.44 | bleeter | Dashkal: soz, went afk. yeah, those who don't want to vote can still cast informal votes. Needless to say, no matter who you vote for generally speaking the government always wins :( |
| 20:48.44 | Dewin | anyways, off to go do lunch with my wife :) |
| 20:48.45 | Dashkal | Cidan: "out of date addons"? |
| 20:48.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: did you click "load out of date addons"? >.> |
| 20:48.55 | Cidan | Yeah, I always keep that checked. |
| 20:49.06 | NightHawkTheSane | you know it gets unchecked automagically, y es? :P |
| 20:49.12 | Dashkal | bleeter: there is always that. At least vote the lesser evil |
| 20:49.18 | linear` | did blizz change %s to be a string. in the lua manual it says %s is all space characters, isn't a space character like " "? |
| 20:49.21 | Cidan | oh hey, look at that. |
| 20:49.35 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 20:49.39 | NeoTron | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=53042 <-- reason for me going alchemy |
| 20:49.55 | NeoTron | more of a personal benefit in reducing flask use by 50% |
| 20:50.01 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 20:50.03 | Cidan | Man |
| 20:50.08 | cladhaire | I hate the people on this server |
| 20:50.11 | alestane | linear`: %s means a different thing when you use it in a pattern versus when you use it as a format target. |
| 20:50.12 | cladhaire | s/people/horde/. |
| 20:50.37 | Cidan | Joe the Plumber is so disrespectful, Rick thanked Joe for his time, kindly, and Joe was like, "Yeah, see you later." |
| 20:50.54 | Cidan | Aw DAMN |
| 20:51.03 | Cidan | The broom isn't insta-cast anymore. |
| 20:51.11 | Cidan | There goes my battlegrounds advantage. |
| 20:51.24 | bleeter | i thought the point with JTP was his name wasn't Joe, he wasn't a plumber, he was a registered republican, owed back taxes anyways... and.. something else |
| 20:51.30 | NightHawkTheSane | argh, okay, something -did- break with my mod this patch. dammit |
| 20:51.37 | Dashkal | NeoTron: mmm, that is something to consider as well... I've oft considered alchemy a wasted spec since it's so expensive to pot up while learning... but flasks take considering |
| 20:51.43 | Dashkal | s/spec/prof |
| 20:51.50 | bleeter | maybe I missed some vital point from my great distance |
| 20:52.20 | NeoTron | I admit part of my decision is that I hate the resource requirements for say blacksmithing |
| 20:52.25 | Cidan | bleeter: His dad is the son-in-law of Charles Keating. |
| 20:52.38 | NeoTron | alchemy and inscription are a lot easier (already have all the old world and bc herbs I need) |
| 20:52.48 | bleeter | Cidan: oh really? last I heard that was just a rumour lol :/ |
| 20:52.55 | Dashkal | NeoTron: I already have my miner up so getting metal is not an issue |
| 20:53.03 | Cidan | I'm not sure if it's one way or another, it seems to be true. |
| 20:53.09 | NeoTron | ah but I hate gathering in general |
| 20:53.12 | Dashkal | Leveling mining is a PITA |
| 20:53.17 | NeoTron | waste of time vs making gold and buying for the most part |
| 20:53.23 | NeoTron | I have a miner too |
| 20:53.44 | bleeter | awww, so I can't be Bloodsail Admiral Mahi the Hallowed? Shows how much attention I've been paying to Titles hehe |
| 20:54.02 | Dashkal | bleeter: I wanted Bloodsail Admiral Savrine Jenkins but *sigh* |
| 20:54.04 | Cidan | I wonder if I can get WoW working on the G1... |
| 20:54.07 | Dashkal | should add pretitle/posttitle |
| 20:54.23 | Dashkal | Even if that would make my name a red signpost a mile-long for horde |
| 20:54.34 | bleeter | Dashkal: I'm trying to think of a real good toon name that 'Salty' would work with, and rename my main fisher |
| 20:54.56 | Dashkal | I have some aliteration if I make sav get salty, but I _really_ don't want to deal with org |
| 20:55.24 | NeoTron | Dashkal: org was easy man |
| 20:55.24 | Syzgyn | Friend of mine is going to be 'Salty Skittles' |
| 20:55.24 | NeoTron | heh |
| 20:55.46 | NeoTron | but I was reasonbly lucky, thing I got the rare fish in <100 casts (although I don't think that's part of the salty achievement) |
| 20:55.48 | bleeter | I'd like to be 'Salty Chocoballs' but don't think that'd fly with the GMs if someone reported me :( |
| 20:55.51 | NeoTron | the bigger issue is the fishing contest |
| 20:56.04 | Syzgyn | NeoTron: It's not |
| 20:56.08 | NeoTron | one person, per week, at a time of day I usually can't play |
| 20:56.12 | NeoTron | yes it's an issue. huge issue |
| 20:56.18 | NeoTron | one of the hardest achievements in the game to get, period |
| 20:56.30 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: it isn't? *blinks* seriously? Really |
| 20:56.33 | Dashkal | Ok, getting title |
| 20:56.42 | Syzgyn | Salty doesnt require either rare |
| 20:56.43 | NeoTron | and AT MOST 52 people can get it PER YEAR |
| 20:56.56 | Syzgyn | Does require Fishing contest and Mr Pinchy |
| 20:56.56 | NeoTron | Syzgyn: I thought you commented on the fishing contest ;) |
| 20:57.00 | Syzgyn | oh no |
| 20:57.08 | NeoTron | it should be swapped |
| 20:57.12 | Syzgyn | Mmmno |
| 20:57.14 | NeoTron | add the two rare fish, remove the contest |
| 20:57.33 | Syzgyn | There's less people with Mr. Pinchy than fishing contest winners, I bet |
| 20:57.38 | NeoTron | having the fishing contest as a requirement for Salty is just bad unless they change it |
| 20:57.45 | Syzgyn | Why? |
| 20:57.47 | NeoTron | at least Mr. Pinchy you can do at your own schedule |
| 20:57.51 | Syzgyn | It's still totally possible |
| 20:57.52 | bleeter | it's up there with the masks for 'the Hallowed', imo |
| 20:57.54 | Syzgyn | and rare |
| 20:57.56 | NeoTron | with fishing contest you have 52 people PER YEAR |
| 20:57.58 | Syzgyn | And? |
| 20:58.08 | Syzgyn | No one said achievements would be easy. |
| 20:58.11 | NeoTron | and a lot of people, such as myself, are unable to get it |
| 20:58.11 | Gnarfoz | <Dashkal> should add pretitle/posttitle <-- they had that on the PTR that introduced titles. Master Seargent Lolah, Champion of the Naaru ;D |
| 20:58.18 | NeoTron | because it's always the same day and time |
| 20:58.30 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: and prolly rejected it for exactly the reason I mentioned :p Too long |
| 20:58.38 | NeoTron | no other (meta) achievement is that impossible to get |
| 20:58.38 | Gnarfoz | obviously. it was changed even on the PTR |
| 20:58.39 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 20:58.47 | Syzgyn | Immortal is |
| 20:58.53 | Syzgyn | oh, meta |
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| 20:58.55 | Syzgyn | meh |
| 20:59.11 | Dashkal | NeoTron: Oh yeah, the tourney. Nevermind then |
| 20:59.13 | Syzgyn | So it'll be even more impressive. |
| 20:59.23 | NeoTron | it's an unfair requirement |
| 20:59.24 | Dashkal | NeoTron: it's _less_ than 52 a year. Winners still try again |
| 20:59.27 | NeoTron | for reasons already stated |
| 20:59.50 | NeoTron | even worse on PvP servers where it's not rare to "sell" the spot byu having gank squads kill competetors |
| 20:59.57 | Syzgyn | NeoTron: that's totally up for interpretation |
| 20:59.57 | NeoTron | for a price |
| 21:00.00 | Lopeppeppy | They try again to get all of the rewards. |
| 21:00.09 | Dashkal | NeoTron: Failstrom has a goon presence hordeside... that's pretty much expected |
| 21:00.18 | Syzgyn | you say unfair, I say really challenging |
| 21:00.21 | NeoTron | no |
| 21:00.30 | NeoTron | you miss the main fact - i CANNOT get it |
| 21:00.35 | Syzgyn | I'm sorry |
| 21:00.36 | NeoTron | I am unable to play that day/time, ever |
| 21:00.46 | Syzgyn | suck it up? |
| 21:00.53 | NeoTron | so it's not fair to me and everyone else that are always going to be occupied on daytime weekends |
| 21:00.56 | Dashkal | ~lart Syzgyn |
| 21:00.56 | purl | eats Syzgyn's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 21:00.56 | Syzgyn | Or get someone else to play your account. |
| 21:01.04 | NeoTron | irght |
| 21:01.07 | Lopeppeppy | Syzgyn, that's not allowed. |
| 21:01.09 | NeoTron | break the TOS just so I can get an achievement |
| 21:01.15 | Syzgyn | So dont get the achievement |
| 21:01.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: that should never ever be required, because it's a TOS violation |
| 21:01.21 | smcn | i can't get any of the fishing achivements because i literally go into convulsions whenever i try to fish |
| 21:01.22 | Syzgyn | It's not required |
| 21:01.28 | Syzgyn | he's choosing not to play then |
| 21:01.37 | NeoTron | simply - make the achievement stand on its own (give it its own title) and remove it frmo Salty, adding rare org fish to Salty |
| 21:01.42 | NeoTron | problem solved |
| 21:01.47 | Dashkal | That would work |
| 21:01.50 | Syzgyn | I disagree |
| 21:01.50 | NeoTron | everyone wins |
| 21:02.00 | NeoTron | only because you have the achievement already |
| 21:02.05 | Syzgyn | even if I didnt |
| 21:02.07 | Syzgyn | trust me |
| 21:02.14 | Dashkal | That'd actually be pretty sweet. Adding the opposing faction's city is challenging as hell, but not impossible due to time window concerns |
| 21:02.18 | Syzgyn | I'm probably not gonna even go for salty |
| 21:02.26 | Syzgyn | but just because you cant, doesn't mean it should be changed. |
| 21:02.29 | Dashkal | the tourney is near-impossible |
| 21:02.38 | Dashkal | And that's for people who are _trying_ |
| 21:02.44 | NeoTron | point to any other meta achievement that is physically impossible for some people to do and strictly limited to a pitiful number of people each year |
| 21:02.45 | Dashkal | those who cannot, well, yeah |
| 21:02.47 | Syzgyn | *shrug* I did it on my first try. |
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| 21:03.00 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: small sample size is small |
| 21:03.04 | NeoTron | Syzgyn: it's luck based, not skill based |
| 21:03.10 | Syzgyn | NeoTron: Why does it have to be a meta?> |
| 21:03.43 | NeoTron | because they give you something |
| 21:03.43 | NeoTron | in this case, a title |
| 21:03.43 | Syzgyn | Not all metas do |
| 21:03.43 | mikma | ok.. which one is correct: "Character copy successful!" or "Character copy sucessful!" ? |
| 21:03.43 | Syzgyn | and other non-metas do too |
| 21:03.43 | NeoTron | of course |
| 21:03.53 | NeoTron | but the profession ones do |
| 21:03.55 | Syzgyn | So comparing it against other title reward ones. |
| 21:03.58 | NeoTron | fishing, cooking etc |
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| 21:04.05 | Syzgyn | I'd definitely Say The Immortal is harder. |
| 21:04.18 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: The Immortal doesn't have a time window constraint |
| 21:04.20 | nudave | mikma: the two c's |
| 21:04.22 | Syzgyn | and impossible for a large % of the population |
| 21:04.22 | End | NightHawkTheSane: Yes, it breaks immediately after a patch |
| 21:04.24 | Wikwocket | mikma: double the 'c' and double the 's' and you will always have 'success' |
| 21:04.28 | End | re: sometimes it fails to parse |
| 21:04.35 | mikma | https://beta.wow-europe.com/game/images/en/worlds-copy-top.jpg |
| 21:04.57 | Dashkal | and isn't impossible to a large % of the population. Interested parties can 25 man raid if motivated. |
| 21:05.14 | Syzgyn | People can win the fishing contest if motivated and a bit lucky. |
| 21:05.21 | NeoTron | what is "The Immortal"? |
| 21:05.23 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: unless of course they work on weekends |
| 21:05.30 | Dashkal | NeoTron: Clear naxx25 with no boss deaths |
| 21:05.35 | Gnarfoz | mikma: that's plain fail there |
| 21:05.38 | NeoTron | that's hardly even comparable |
| 21:05.39 | Dashkal | Gonna be fucking HARD |
| 21:05.46 | NightHawkTheSane | End: yeah, im looking at it now. |
| 21:05.50 | mikma | gnarfoz: has been there since start of WoW and they haven't fixed it |
| 21:06.01 | NeoTron | of course but any number of people, that raid, can do it in a year and can do it when they want to |
| 21:06.02 | Gnarfoz | mikma: ~x de en Betriebsblindheit |
| 21:06.06 | Dashkal | I don't expect to see too many with that title before 3.1 and tier 8 |
| 21:06.08 | mikma | gnarfoz: lederhosen |
| 21:06.20 | NeoTron | I don't have anything against HARD achievements, just against this particular one that many can't possibly ever complete, no matter what they do |
| 21:06.27 | NeoTron | and which is so limited in number of people per year |
| 21:06.29 | NightHawkTheSane | End: It's got to be some oddity with caching and GetCompanionInfo() just after a patch |
| 21:06.37 | Gnarfoz | mikma: I have no clue about finnish words so... NO U. |
| 21:06.53 | Syzgyn | Now make up your mind. Are you pissed that its limited, or that its got the time constraint? |
| 21:07.00 | mikma | gnarfoz: only one thing to remember: PERKELE! |
| 21:07.14 | NightHawkTheSane | End: it appears to work fine after a UI reload |
| 21:07.17 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: there are some pvp achievements i'll myself never complete because i'm a healer .. 20 killing blows in a row? I'm lucky if i get 10 in a whole bg =P |
| 21:07.17 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: I don't pretend to speak for him.. That said: Both. The window sucks, and the max 52 a year sucks |
| 21:07.31 | bleeter | lol apparently the rickety old broom (walking speed) still has a cast time of 0 |
| 21:07.37 | NeoTron | Syzgyn: both |
| 21:07.38 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: this is true. But you can always respec dps for a week to get it and go back |
| 21:07.43 | Syzgyn | I'll agree the window is some suck |
| 21:07.44 | NeoTron | Syzgyn: it's time constrained, and highly limited |
| 21:07.59 | Syzgyn | Deal with the # limit |
| 21:08.00 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: you could always just get off your ass and survive, too! :) |
| 21:08.03 | nevcairiel | its all about skill |
| 21:08.07 | NeoTron | if you can't fish at 14:00 to 14:15-20 you're out of luck |
| 21:08.13 | Syzgyn | The server first naxx clears are limited too |
| 21:08.16 | Syzgyn | complain about those? |
| 21:08.18 | End | NightHawkTheSane: maybe you can reproduce it if you delete the cache folder |
| 21:08.27 | bleeter | from what I recall, both those reasons where why they removed the masks from 'the Hallowed' achievement. limited and time constrained. |
| 21:08.33 | nevcairiel | I actually look forward to the hard raid achievements |
| 21:08.37 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: I don't pvp enough to really care about those achievements :p So I'm not too stressed. I'll do the holiday pvp ones, but pretty much ignore most of the incidental ones |
| 21:08.40 | End | it might be the delay for loading stuff from the server that kills you |
| 21:08.48 | Syzgyn | the masks wasnt limited, it was just a time constraint |
| 21:08.57 | Dashkal | I do, VERY much, want Dashkal the Undying (clear Naxx10 with no boss deaths) |
| 21:08.59 | Syzgyn | if you could trick or treat all year long it'd be a non-issue |
| 21:09.02 | nevcairiel | or rather, i REALLY look forward to the Heroic Dungeon achievements, gathering 5 people to get the red proto drake = ftw :) |
| 21:09.07 | Dashkal | That'll prolly be Dashkal's primary title |
| 21:09.13 | NightHawkTheSane | End: hm, possibly |
| 21:09.20 | NeoTron | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065191436&sid=1 |
| 21:09.43 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: Masks were unreasonable because by the end you're competing with a 1:20 odds assuming you got a mask at all. You could go all year and not get it |
| 21:09.55 | Wikwocket | They removed the mask achievement because, if you do the math, the odds of getting 20 unique masks are rodiculous, even if you trick or treat every 61 minutes for 2 weeks |
| 21:09.59 | Syzgyn | Fair enough, so it's too random |
| 21:10.13 | NightHawkTheSane | End: yeah, that seems to be the issue. i wonder if i could move that initial parse later in the login process.. |
| 21:10.15 | Syzgyn | That's neither a time limit or a # limit |
| 21:10.22 | Dashkal | I figure I'll get that one in a couple years :p |
| 21:11.11 | End | possibly, although I fear you may not be able to detect when they load |
| 21:11.17 | NeoTron | Syzgyn: the mask achievement is probably easier to get than the fishing tourney |
| 21:11.32 | Syzgyn | Of course |
| 21:11.33 | NeoTron | one guy who won it on my server recently had tried most every week for 2 years |
| 21:11.39 | bleeter | so have we got any progress on the world event for wrath yet, or just the same old tired stuff of npc's handing out lvl 70 quests to lvl 50 toons? ;) |
| 21:11.48 | Syzgyn | I dont see that as a problem though. |
| 21:12.38 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: the salty title is rare for the wrong reason. It's rare because it's often impossible to get, not because it's difficult to get. Not the same thing. You can try and try and try for the fishing one and just be blocked from success. |
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| 21:13.10 | Wikwocket | personally I'd be more upset about the Mr Pinchy requirement than the contest, but that's just me |
| 21:13.16 | duaiwe | dammit. >< |
| 21:13.16 | Syzgyn | The same could be said for any of the pvp achievements. |
| 21:13.32 | Dashkal | Wikwocket: at least with pinchy you can cycle between terokar pools and get it eventually |
| 21:13.56 | nevcairiel | I doubt i would ever get the 6minute AV achievement |
| 21:14.04 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: I'm not dicussing the pvp achievements because I'm no invested in them (this isn't to say that I consider them fine, more accurately that I do not care) |
| 21:14.06 | nevcairiel | our alliance in the battlegroup is just too stupid |
| 21:14.16 | NightHawkTheSane | End: anyway, as i was saying. I'm doing it right now in PLAYER_LOGIN. there's not much later i can actually push it, I don't think. It's an edge case as-is, and easily solvable with a reloadui.. not sure it's really worth dealing with |
| 21:14.43 | Syzgyn | Dashkal: Right, so you dont care that the pvp achievements can be just as impossible, and I dont care that the salty achievement can be just as impossible. |
| 21:14.46 | Syzgyn | :) |
| 21:14.53 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: No |
| 21:14.59 | End | I dunno. |
| 21:15.06 | Dashkal | You are arguing that salty _should_ be what it is. I'm not arguing either way for PvP ones |
| 21:15.29 | Dashkal | The simple fact that we're discussing this shows you care more about salty than I do about pvp |
| 21:15.58 | Syzgyn | If they change salty, I'm not gonna bitch and moan, but it will be a bit depressing to those who have won the contest. |
| 21:16.14 | End | well |
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| 21:16.28 | Dashkal | I've never understood this mentality that it somehow diminishes your accomplishment if someone else gets the reward easier... The accomplishment itself is the bragging rights |
| 21:16.29 | End | there's something like 300 people who currently could possibly get the achievement right now |
| 21:16.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: they could easily add rewards to the contest achievement on its own |
| 21:16.38 | End | actually, less than that... |
| 21:16.43 | End | given some people do it twice |
| 21:16.51 | End | for the trinket and the pole |
| 21:16.53 | Syzgyn | Again, I dont see that as a problem |
| 21:17.03 | Syzgyn | It's gonna be hella rare either way. |
| 21:17.08 | Dashkal | Give the tourney it's own title "Master Fisherman" or the like. I'd have no argument to that because it would be isolated to that tourney. |
| 21:17.15 | End | well |
| 21:17.28 | End | my druid has done it |
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| 21:17.33 | Dashkal | But "Salty" is supposed to be this meta achievement that encompasses the whole profession, not just one thing. As it stands, that one thing is everything |
| 21:17.39 | NeoTron | End: 300? there's like at most 156 people per server |
| 21:17.55 | End | er, I fail at math |
| 21:18.00 | NeoTron | and that's assuming up since contest was launcher, no one having quit and no one having won more than once |
| 21:18.07 | End | 52*3 came up with 300ish for some reason |
| 21:18.16 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 21:18.30 | End | I don't know how long ago it started, I'm guessing 3 years, so I was kinda ballparking it anyways |
| 21:18.36 | End | but I fail at actual math |
| 21:18.37 | NeoTron | Sept 2005 or so |
| 21:18.43 | NeoTron | basically just over 3 years |
| 21:18.45 | Tekkub | I wonder how many of the "please vote" assholes realize that abstention is a valid vote |
| 21:18.53 | NeoTron | I'd be surprised if most servers had over 100 contest winners |
| 21:19.14 | Syzgyn | Tekkub: Please Vote! :P |
| 21:19.26 | bleeter | Tekkub: what Syzgyn said! :P |
| 21:19.27 | nudave | woot |
| 21:19.27 | nevcairiel | You know, if you really want to win the contest, do it on sunday after WotLK release |
| 21:19.29 | Dashkal | Tekkub: no it is not. It's "I don't give a fuck who dictates my future". It isn't, as much as people wish it was, it isn't "I hate all of you" since you're stick with one anyway. |
| 21:19.30 | Tekkub | fuck, why is it that on the last day I realized I could have been telling those people "NO, I'm registered to abstain" |
| 21:19.31 | nevcairiel | i doubt alot of people will |
| 21:19.39 | Syzgyn | Haha |
| 21:19.42 | nudave | tekkub is voting for the same person I am. |
| 21:19.46 | Tekkub | Dashkal, thanks for proving my point |
| 21:19.48 | Syzgyn | Batman? |
| 21:20.06 | bleeter | nevcairiel: hmm, that's not such a bad idea, presuming I'm not working hehe |
| 21:20.19 | bleeter | nevcairiel: thanks for the suggestion though :) |
| 21:20.37 | Dashkal | Tekkub: No, and I wasn't trying to convince you anyway. The original tone screamed "fuck you all and my mind is closed" anyway. But thanks for helping me illustrate mine |
| 21:21.32 | cog|away | if you connect two switches together twice will they asplode? |
| 21:21.35 | Tekkub | no, my point is, the "please vote" assholes are so tied up in believing that their system works, that they cannot accept that some people actively chose not to vote for EITHER canidate |
| 21:21.52 | nudave | tekkub, I said that awhile go heh |
| 21:21.54 | cog|away | Tekkub++ |
| 21:21.58 | Syzgyn | I know the system is flawed |
| 21:22.05 | Syzgyn | But it's what we've got for now |
| 21:22.08 | mikma | tekkub: you have no president. |
| 21:22.13 | cog|away | people really need to stop pressuring others into voting |
| 21:22.22 | Tekkub | mikma, nope, and I havn't for 8 years now |
| 21:22.41 | Syzgyn | I'm glad I'm gonna stop getting machines calling my house and telling me who to vote for now |
| 21:22.46 | mikma | tekkub: i myself admire that. |
| 21:22.54 | mikma | like in my case, i have no god :P |
| 21:23.03 | alestane | Although, I'd appreciate it if people who want to make the choice not to vote go submit a blank ballot so we can tell them apart from those who choose not to participate. |
| 21:23.08 | Tekkub | people *should* vote, if they believe that their vote matters and that they really do want the person they're voting for |
| 21:23.24 | alestane | Or rather, the people who didn't choose to participate. |
| 21:23.32 | Tekkub | people that take it as a high school student council election (which is the majority) should NOT vote |
| 21:23.32 | End | what alestane said |
| 21:24.03 | nudave | when my dude has a chance to win according to the polls, I'll go vote. |
| 21:24.08 | Tekkub | and people that decide to abstain should be considered to have made an "educated decision", not "they don't give a fuck about the future" |
| 21:24.10 | nudave | until then, get rid of the polls |
| 21:24.15 | Tekkub | unless they honestly don't give a fuck |
| 21:24.56 | mikma | so the voting is on atm? |
| 21:25.01 | Lopeppeppy | Very on. |
| 21:25.01 | Tekkub | alestane, yea that's reasonable |
| 21:25.01 | bleeter | so you'd rather be asked 'if you give a fuck, please vote'? |
| 21:25.10 | mikma | i'm going to guess it's obama |
| 21:25.11 | Tekkub | except everyone will still call that "not voting" |
| 21:25.32 | Lopeppeppy | We won't know for a while yet, mikma |
| 21:25.37 | Tekkub | I'd rather please say "please give a fuck about voting" not "please vote", yes |
| 21:25.43 | mikma | lopeppeppy: yes, that's why it was a guess :) |
| 21:25.43 | Tekkub | they're totally different things |
| 21:26.32 | Dashkal | Oh god, people running around SW telling people to vote one way or the other in says *sighs* |
| 21:26.45 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 21:26.45 | cbreak | it should be possible to vote "All alternatives suck" |
| 21:26.47 | bleeter | vote early, vote often |
| 21:26.47 | mikma | ingame recruitting... |
| 21:26.53 | mikma | now that's, odd |
| 21:26.59 | Dashkal | Not even odd to me... |
| 21:27.02 | Dashkal | Just sad |
| 21:27.05 | End | Go vote, get free coffee? :P |
| 21:27.08 | nudave | I vote, "No contest" |
| 21:27.11 | Syzgyn | cbreak: Isnt that what the write-in is for? :P |
| 21:27.14 | Tekkub | "None of the above" needs to be on ballots, yes |
| 21:27.14 | nevcairiel | I'm glad to not live in the US or play on their servers, somehow |
| 21:27.23 | alestane | cbreak: I believe it is in most places. |
| 21:27.30 | nevcairiel | just draw funny faces or something Tekkub :D |
| 21:27.35 | Tekkub | I think it would say a shitload if 60% voted D) None of the above |
| 21:27.53 | nudave | that would rule |
| 21:27.58 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to go home and escape all the nonsense. Y'all have a fun evening! |
| 21:27.58 | NightHawkTheSane | no, it wouldn't. |
| 21:28.17 | End | Lopeppeppy: But I wanna be a grouch! |
| 21:28.24 | nudave | it would be a big 'f u' to the democratic and republican parties |
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| 21:28.36 | Dashkal | Tekkub: _that_ I can agree with. An actual way to get counted as abstaining could be a good thing |
| 21:28.46 | Tekkub | Dashkal, thank you |
| 21:28.48 | Duman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.50 | Duman | hmm |
| 21:28.53 | Tekkub | also... http://twictur.es/990102247.gif |
| 21:28.55 | Tekkub | :) |
| 21:28.59 | Duman | gonna have toshut this badboy down soon :( |
| 21:29.17 | cog|away | http://rangevoting.org/ |
| 21:29.30 | End | I only have 14:29:16 up 59 days, 2:32, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
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| 21:29.53 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|away: yeah, that's one of a number of vastly superior voting methods. :P |
| 21:30.08 | cog|away | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.21 | Tekkub | cog|away, "fuzzy voting" would rule |
| 21:30.35 | nevcairiel | 22:32:36 up 327 days, 12:53, 3 users, load average: 0.03, 0.02, 0.00 |
| 21:30.41 | nevcairiel | oh hey nearly a year now |
| 21:30.43 | Tekkub | although it does fall back to the "least worst choice" which is my big issue with the whole system |
| 21:31.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: there's no system that will ever get away from that. |
| 21:31.52 | Tekkub | yes, I know |
| 21:31.53 | NightHawkTheSane | you have two choices: suck it up and deal, or run yourself. |
| 21:32.09 | Dashkal | Tekkub: The problem in that case often comes down to the fact that the 'best' person for the job doesn't want it, or isn't connected enough to get it, or isn't known by the public enough to get voted in for it |
| 21:32.15 | Tekkub | but if there are more "real" choice than "the big two" it helps |
| 21:32.19 | NightHawkTheSane | you can't say "wah wah, i don't like either choice, so i'm going to take my ball and go home" that's 100% unproductive |
| 21:32.48 | Tekkub | unproductive? the gov't? |
| 21:32.50 | Tekkub | what? |
| 21:32.54 | Tekkub | never |
| 21:33.07 | NightHawkTheSane | it is if you insist on "abstaining" |
| 21:33.09 | nevcairiel | like you have any chance to run yourself against the puppets of the industry =P |
| 21:33.29 | nudave | voting for the least worst choice is more f'd up than not voting at all. |
| 21:33.30 | cbreak | for someone who thinks that both suck it might not matter what kind of suck comes into power |
| 21:33.39 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, I had a gov't job... it was the least work I ever had to do :P |
| 21:33.41 | NightHawkTheSane | nudave: no, it's not. |
| 21:33.49 | Tekkub | and I say that as I'm having this convo on the clock :P |
| 21:34.08 | bleeter | US electoral system is funny lololol |
| 21:34.43 | NightHawkTheSane | if by funny, you mean completely broken, i agree. |
| 21:35.12 | bleeter | the whole wait between the election and then the college then inauguration is something straight out of the horse and buggy days |
| 21:35.16 | cog|away | imo, the government is SUPPOSED to be unproductive... at least at a federal level... The word "Congress" was an event not a persistent entity back in the day |
| 21:35.25 | Tekkub | besides, mathematically speaking, my vote doesn't mean anything anyway :P |
| 21:35.34 | nudave | ^^ same here |
| 21:35.36 | bleeter | here in australia, we generally know who the new PM is on the night of the vote, and is generally sworn in within a few days |
| 21:35.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub, nudave: as previously mentioned, you're both dead wrong. |
| 21:36.04 | nevcairiel | I never really got that whole system, it takes like a year to do the whole election shit, we just go there every 4 years and vote, no "pre votes" or other shit =P |
| 21:36.33 | cbreak | our government gets elected by parliament, so we know immediately |
| 21:36.35 | nudave | I have yet to see a reason, why? |
| 21:36.51 | NightHawkTheSane | downticket races. |
| 21:37.03 | Cidan | There we go |
| 21:37.11 | Cidan | CNN twitter updates for tonight, since I won't be around. |
| 21:37.25 | nudave | I didn't say I didn't vote for the small gov't races |
| 21:37.26 | NightHawkTheSane | in local & state races, the power of an individual vote is enormous. and that's where the MOST change can be done. |
| 21:38.10 | bleeter | cbreak: iirc, you're Canadian? With presidents like GWB, some days I'm glad we have an admitted inbred patriarchal monarchy as our head of state too ;) |
| 21:38.10 | nudave | the problem is that the media glorifies the presidential race and its hard to get anything from said media about the downticket races. |
| 21:38.15 | NightHawkTheSane | nudave: voting in one race and not others is pure idiocy, really. Plus, the popular vote is a meaningful statistic. fuck all how safe any state's EVs are. |
| 21:38.19 | Tekkub | yet we've been talking about the presidential election :P |
| 21:38.23 | cbreak | bleeter: swiss |
| 21:38.34 | End | well, the presidential election does do one thing you should care about though |
| 21:38.38 | cbreak | (that's in europe :D) |
| 21:38.40 | End | it does set the policy |
| 21:38.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i haven't said anything specific to the presidential election. |
| 21:38.50 | bleeter | cbreak: ah, the crazy guys of EU >< (worked with some swiss guys, they were most awesomeness :) |
| 21:39.06 | cbreak | we have 7 "Heads of State", no president or something like that |
| 21:39.15 | End | (I'm not saying that's why you should vote for president or not) |
| 21:39.40 | nevcairiel | we have a "president" technically, but he doesnt have much real power. its all in a parliament |
| 21:39.44 | bleeter | we've had a female president for some time, although our president is merely the 'speaker of the senate' |
| 21:39.46 | End | (But it does have an effect on things where you can vote and make a difference) |
| 21:40.17 | bleeter | but I think there's some rule if the GG gets killed and all the state GGs and A-GG's get killed off too where the president becomes GG.. or something |
| 21:40.50 | Tekkub | you all do realize that if McCain wins, Palin will get him knocked off just so she can be the first female prez right? |
| 21:40.54 | bleeter | gets a bit weird because each state's Head Of State is the same Head of State of the commonwealth, but not the same from a technical legal point of view |
| 21:40.56 | nevcairiel | but then again, our democracy was totally re-designed after WWII, so its really modern, not from 1700's =P |
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| 21:41.27 | bleeter | australia's democracy was created by observing all the US fuckups and not fucking up similarly >< |
| 21:41.28 | cbreak | Tekkub: "hunting accident"? |
| 21:41.37 | Thrae | Oh yeah the election's today. I forgot while I was reading http://www.techcomedy.com. |
| 21:41.54 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: hey, if it was good for a rural country with a population under 10 million, it's PERFECTLY GOOD for a metropolis of a nation with >300 million people, OBVIOUSLY. :P |
| 21:42.00 | Tekkub | cbreak, yea I hear VP's are great pals |
| 21:42.01 | End | hm, I just saw a McCain/Palin ad, but I didn't notice it at first because it was freakin disguised -as- a Obama ad |
| 21:42.10 | lonk | cog: the range voting model is better if voters don't try to game the system, but agents will always game the system. They get "punished" with weighted (errr "range") voting, but only if there are certain numbers of choices. Clearly the political operatives would find a way to limit ballot availability if such a systedm were used in the US |
| 21:42.44 | nudave | I say bring back the Whig party. |
| 21:42.57 | NightHawkTheSane | End: thats not nearly as bad as some of the shenanigans that the republican Gubernatorial candidate has done to try and appear more "democratic" |
| 21:43.16 | End | well, it was a web ad |
| 21:43.22 | cbreak | we had a "Car Party". They renamed themselves though. |
| 21:43.27 | End | the only thing distinguishing it was the text |
| 21:43.32 | End | it had the obama logo though |
| 21:43.46 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, probably some hack job thinking he's clever. |
| 21:43.52 | End | so I thought to my self "oh, another obama ad. McCain doesn't advertise online very much" |
| 21:44.07 | nudave | and its not as nearly as bad as the democratic candidate has done to remove our 2nd amendment right :p |
| 21:44.26 | NightHawkTheSane | nudave: what nonsense are you spewing now? :P |
| 21:44.28 | cbreak | what is the 2nd amendment? |
| 21:44.36 | nudave | right to bear arms |
| 21:44.43 | schoggo | Here in MN, there's a republican out canvassing today using images of Democrats. Counting on the fact the newly registered voters don't know who's in which party :) |
| 21:44.49 | cbreak | oh, the gun thing |
| 21:45.14 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: specificall, it's the right to bear arms for the purpose of maintaining a well-regulated militia |
| 21:45.14 | End | this always makes me laff: http://ealdent.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/beararms.jpg |
| 21:45.18 | Tekkub | there we go, I'll vote when I get the "bear arms" I've been promised |
| 21:45.20 | Tekkub | deal? |
| 21:45.29 | nudave | muahha |
| 21:45.32 | NightHawkTheSane | "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." |
| 21:45.33 | cbreak | we have mandatory military here, so basically everyone who is male gets a machine gun |
| 21:45.36 | schoggo | rawr |
| 21:45.41 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 21:45.52 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: typical case of 1700's and should be gone by now, but huh :) |
| 21:46.07 | cbreak | a popular weapon to shoot up politicians |
| 21:46.12 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: yeah, the grammar/punctuation on that has caused a LOT of curiousness in interpretation |
| 21:46.41 | bleeter | I'm still trying to work out if Australia is a democratic monarchical republic, or a democratic republican monarchy :/ |
| 21:46.45 | NightHawkTheSane | all the gun-toting wing-nuts seem to think it preserves their right to run around with automatic weapons or some dumb shit like that |
| 21:46.49 | nevcairiel | wonder what it would need to revise the US democracy .. probably a revolution or something =P |
| 21:47.01 | bleeter | given that we voted to keep the monarchy... it's kinda confusing |
| 21:47.04 | schoggo | US is an oligarchy - |
| 21:47.12 | Tekkub | canidates should be wired up to a machine, every vote they get they're given a pleasurable shock to the brain, every one their opponent gets gives a painful shock |
| 21:47.16 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: sadly, at this point probably. getting any kind of momentum for real change is.. so absurdly impossible |
| 21:47.17 | cbreak | the guns in switzerland are not allowed to be used unless it's war time |
| 21:47.23 | cbreak | (the military guns) |
| 21:47.26 | Tekkub | this would ensure that only people truly dedicated to the job run |
| 21:47.34 | schoggo | wouldn't no nuthin about democracies |
| 21:47.35 | nevcairiel | cbreak: not even in training? |
| 21:47.41 | cbreak | well, of course |
| 21:47.52 | cbreak | during military service too |
| 21:47.56 | nevcairiel | why else would you use them |
| 21:47.57 | cbreak | and mandatory shooting practice |
| 21:48.03 | nevcairiel | except you are some nut trying to kill someone |
| 21:48.18 | Tekkub | this whould also encourage voting, people would go to reward their canidate or punish the opponent |
| 21:48.19 | nevcairiel | (and dont care about the law, anyway) |
| 21:48.23 | cbreak | there was an idiot a few months ago who murdered his GF with it |
| 21:48.27 | schoggo | US president should be selected by lottery! |
| 21:48.39 | cbreak | (I think. Or some random woman) |
| 21:48.41 | nevcairiel | schoggo: that wouldnt really change much, actually |
| 21:49.25 | NightHawkTheSane | schoggo: given that the election is more or less decided by the weak-willed morons who are easily swayed by the nonsense propoganda on both sides, we more or less have that anyway |
| 21:49.27 | schoggo | It would diminish the importance currently vested in the office... or force a huge upgrade of the educational system |
| 21:49.53 | Tekkub | vote could only effect the probability of the canidate winning |
| 21:50.05 | Tekkub | in the end leave it up to a coin toss |
| 21:50.07 | schoggo | NightHawkTheSane: no - there are no choices. Just straw men put up by the rulikng class |
| 21:50.26 | cbreak | isn't that what is done right now in the us Tek? |
| 21:50.27 | Tekkub | 20-sided die would be even better |
| 21:50.38 | cbreak | you vote for some guys and hope they vote for the candidate they are supposed to |
| 21:50.41 | nudave | roulette table? |
| 21:50.45 | Tekkub | no, what's done in the US now is manipulation of the brainless masses |
| 21:50.54 | Tekkub | the winner is the one that does it best |
| 21:51.02 | Thrae | Palin: "Shit! Obama's got Florida! Quick old man, roll a save!" |
| 21:51.07 | cbreak | the electorate could vote for this ron paul guy I guess |
| 21:51.18 | cbreak | if they were sufficiently crazy |
| 21:51.20 | Tekkub | which maybe is a good thing, since that person's job is to keep those people from hurting themselves |
| 21:51.24 | schoggo | Tekkub: you're assuming there's more than one team... |
| 21:51.41 | Tekkub | schoggo, there could be up to 20 teams! |
| 21:51.50 | Thrae | Only in Tekkub's fantasies. |
| 21:52.08 | schoggo | the ruling class doesn't allow competition. sorry |
| 21:52.15 | Tekkub | I'm voting Inanimate Carbon Rod in '12 |
| 21:52.21 | NightHawkTheSane | you know what i love best about the electoral season? |
| 21:52.37 | NightHawkTheSane | It -really- brings out all the crazy in people. |
| 21:52.45 | Tekkub | all the idiots trying to form opinions, then force them on others? |
| 21:52.55 | schoggo | we can all agree on that! |
| 21:53.16 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: that's not far enough... |
| 21:53.19 | Slakah1 | :-D |
| 21:53.34 | bleeter | the particular part I like is when those nutters say things like 'anyone who says otherwise is un-american' |
| 21:53.44 | NightHawkTheSane | by the way.. http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/everybody_loves_a_free_sex_toy |
| 21:53.48 | bleeter | although, not being an american, I'm not sure whether mym lol is correctly placed |
| 21:54.01 | Tekkub | I get a dildo if I vote? |
| 21:54.09 | Tekkub | I'd do it for that, fuck the sticker |
| 21:54.24 | NightHawkTheSane | with the dildo, you COULD, i'm sure. |
| 21:54.51 | smcn | [13:53:58] <+Tekkub> I'm voting Inanimate Carbon Rod in '12 <- you mean palin? HO HO HO, BAM |
| 21:55.38 | bleeter | I'm near convinced McCain let Palin get the nod as VP by his party so it'd screw them up big time >< |
| 21:55.41 | NightHawkTheSane | no, inanimate carbon rod is less crazy than her |
| 21:55.58 | Tekkub | smcn, she's female... see the difference between men and women... |
| 21:58.27 | nudave | night all, packing up to go home |
| 21:59.21 | mikma | wait what |
| 21:59.25 | mikma | where is feral fairie fire |
| 21:59.49 | bleeter | mikma: faerie fire(feral) ? |
| 22:00.05 | mikma | lol i must be blind, but i can't see it in beta |
| 22:00.12 | mikma | maybe i need to visit trainer |
| 22:00.18 | bleeter | oh, beta... yeah, prolly a trainer |
| 22:00.28 | bleeter | and when you're at the trainer... slap them for me for those brackets in the spell name |
| 22:00.34 | cbreak | did you disable showing of all ranks? |
| 22:01.02 | NightHawkTheSane | that wouldn't matter |
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| 22:05.52 | cog|away | DON'T FOLLOW LINKS IN THIS THREAD http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065205928&postId=123275947191&sid=1#2 |
| 22:06.17 | Gnarfoz | why the hell do you link it here then |
| 22:06.18 | Gnarfoz | >_< |
| 22:06.21 | [dRaCo] | oh noes, there be keyloggers. |
| 22:07.20 | cog|away | Gnarfoz: look at the topic list... bluebreeze = bot |
| 22:07.20 | alestane | cog|away: the europe-wows.com links? |
| 22:07.20 | linear` | does registerunitwatch |
| 22:07.20 | linear` | work on |
| 22:07.20 | Gnarfoz | europe-wows.com ;D how obvious. |
| 22:07.20 | linear` | any frame? |
| 22:07.20 | AbsoRayne | Ok |
| 22:07.20 | linear` | doesnt have to be secure right |
| 22:07.20 | AbsoRayne | this is bothering me |
| 22:07.21 | AbsoRayne | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065155807&sid=1 Where did that artwork come from |
| 22:07.21 | AbsoRayne | its not his |
| 22:07.21 | cog|away | bot posting keylogger in a keylogger post |
| 22:07.21 | Gnarfoz | on the NA forums no less, I'd think they'd not even know WoW Europ exists :p |
| 22:07.34 | Gnarfoz | cog|away: more helpful would have been to post "Avast, thar be keyloggers!" :p |
| 22:08.03 | Syzgyn | AbsoRayne: WC3? |
| 22:08.10 | AbsoRayne | no no no |
| 22:08.18 | AbsoRayne | I know there was another UI that used that artwork. |
| 22:10.03 | cbreak | the key logger doesn't seem to work. |
| 22:10.19 | bleeter | "I am also exercising my right to privacy, and I don't have to tell anybody who I vote for, nobody does, and that's really cool about America also" omg that's so cool Ms. Palin, maybe Australia and other democracies might follow the US lead and have privacy of voting rules :/ |
| 22:10.22 | Tekkub | it takes a few minutes before someone can log in to your account |
| 22:10.28 | Tekkub | just wait, they're busy |
| 22:10.55 | cbreak | maybe it needs JavaScript |
| 22:13.05 | |Yssaril| | Tekkub: http://ace.pastey.net/100694 when scrolling the ampere list of addons |
| 22:13.57 | Tekkub | find me which addon is giving you the INTERFACE_VERSION reason, zip it, and mail it to me please |
| 22:14.06 | Tekkub | I couldn't figure out how to reporduce that |
| 22:14.39 | Tekkub | local name, title, notes, enabled, loadable, reason = GetAddOnInfo(i or name) |
| 22:15.12 | |Yssaril| | k let me try |
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| 22:21.35 | Tekkub | bah UI version changed didn't it? |
| 22:21.38 | Tekkub | 30003? |
| 22:22.24 | Yssaril | Tekkub: Broker_Mail and OPie causes the error for me |
| 22:22.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: not according to wowcompares? >.> |
| 22:22.42 | Yssaril | latest releases from curse and wowi respectivly |
| 22:23.07 | Tekkub | oh they just ticked off "load outdated" again, fucking eh |
| 22:23.07 | NightHawkTheSane | im not in game or i'd check. |
| 22:23.11 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 22:23.19 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, that gets everyone it seems ;) |
| 22:23.24 | Tekkub | I wish they'd give an option to never ever uncheck that .cry |
| 22:23.35 | Tekkub | ZOOT! |
| 22:23.40 | mikma | lol |
| 22:23.59 | mikma | "when tekkub cries, you'd better listen" |
| 22:24.01 | Tekkub | I NEED TO UPDATE MY LIST OF DEMANDS! |
| 22:28.19 | Yssaril | Tekkub: error goes away when i check the load outdated mods |
| 22:28.38 | Tekkub | yes, I actually pushed the fix like two weeks ago it seems |
| 22:28.42 | mikma | rofl |
| 22:28.44 | Tekkub | I just had never confirmed it |
| 22:28.50 | mikma | every time i zone, my druid forgets the talents |
| 22:29.12 | mikma | this is the third time i have to click all them back in talenttree |
| 22:29.17 | Yssaril | lol |
| 22:29.33 | Tekkub | oh is that how dual specs is gonna work? |
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| 22:29.39 | Yssaril | free respecs :) you might wanna pickup a mod that auto specs for you and hope it never gets fixed :P |
| 22:29.50 | mikma | (this is beta) |
| 22:32.28 | Tekkub | did they disable all-scan or the AH just being a tardmo? |
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| 22:37.19 | End | I hope not |
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| 22:51.04 | bleeter | Tekkub: seems to be working here, via auctioneer |
| 22:51.37 | bleeter | I'm only basing that off seeing my network usage spike after issuing the command, though... and there's the processing done. |
| 22:51.46 | Tekkub | hrm, my server's prolly just being asstarded |
| 22:52.50 | bleeter | though it does look like issuing the command twice in a row no longer throws an error, it simply fails to work |
| 22:53.22 | bleeter | so I suggest you wait 15 mins before trying again |
| 22:59.45 | bleeter | Tekkub: try relogging. I noticed first time I tried that stuff after a successful scan, it didn't throw an error. I relogged, scanned again, then tried to scan again, got the error message about having to wait |
| 23:00.01 | Tekkub | I did, same |
| 23:00.11 | Tekkub | I should be working anyway |
| 23:00.14 | Tekkub | I'll tinker later |
| 23:00.49 | bleeter | Tekkub: hehe, k. I've let rockslice know. prolly just some simple oddity from first login. |
| 23:01.51 | RockSlice | Tekkub: I noticed quite a few problems with multiple addons the first time I logged in today |
| 23:01.52 | Tekkub | rockslice? |
| 23:02.03 | RockSlice | that resolved themselves after a few relogs |
| 23:02.08 | bleeter | Tekkub: once of Auctioneer's gurus |
| 23:02.13 | Tekkub | oh |
| 23:02.21 | Tekkub | yea I'm not using Auc |
| 23:02.23 | Tekkub | :P |
| 23:02.25 | bleeter | I almost called him one of auctioneer newbie gurus.. but I think he's been around long enough now to not be a guru hehe |
| 23:02.52 | bleeter | Tekkub: yeah, fair enough. I know rockslice has been messing around in that area of the API, so was a good point to ask :) |
| 23:02.56 | RockSlice | <-- put getall into Auctioneer |
| 23:04.19 | bleeter | generic question. folks would remember how 3.0.2 addon selector was 'broken', colouring LoD addons red. Just thinking, would it be nice to see LoD on that screen, somehow. How about blue or green colour? |
| 23:06.30 | Shirik|zZz | batrick: Thanks :) |
| 23:06.45 | cbreak | I vote for grey. |
| 23:12.41 | |pez| | LoD? |
| 23:12.56 | Lopeppeppy | Load on Demand |
| 23:13.22 | |pez| | OOoh |
| 23:13.35 | |pez| | I read Lord of Destruction, but that's my inner D2 gamer. |
| 23:13.44 | Lunessa | Or, if you were a "l337 haxz0r" in the 90s, Legion Of Doom. |
| 23:13.58 | |pez| | I wasn't! |
| 23:15.16 | sacarasc | Lunessa: the wrestling team? |
| 23:15.57 | Lunessa | Heh, no. It was a group of 'hackers' that did DoS, PHREAKing and other fairly lame and annoying "hax" |
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| 23:17.17 | alestane | Which was, admittedly, the cutting edge of hacking at the time. |
| 23:17.56 | Tuller | knives? |
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| 23:20.44 | Lunessa | alestane: Only for kiddies. |
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| 23:21.17 | alestane | More or less what they were at the time. |
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| 23:26.05 | Lunessa | Yes. But I wasn't, so they annoyed me. :P |
| 23:35.09 | Cidan | So |
| 23:35.14 | Cidan | I just broke up with my girlfriend. |
| 23:35.34 | sacarasc | congratulations? |
| 23:35.45 | Cidan | It always sucks to do that, but, I wasn't happy. |
| 23:36.03 | Cidan | I'll go blog about it on my livejournal now, and draw some emo drawings for deviant art |
| 23:36.20 | Cidan | oh, shit, can't forget the bad poetry. |
| 23:36.24 | Lopeppeppy | Yay for LJ, and self-locked posts to hold all of my emo inside. |
| 23:36.35 | Cidan | =D |
| 23:36.40 | Cidan | I'm actually pretty okay with it |
| 23:36.45 | Cidan | I just really, really hate hurting people |
| 23:37.03 | Cidan | I feel like the most evil person in the world. |
| 23:37.14 | Lopeppeppy | But you can't hurt yourself either, darlin'. *hugs* You're not evil, so long as you were honest and direct and did your best. |
| 23:37.23 | Cidan | I did, all of that. |
| 23:37.34 | Cidan | Just, still sucks. Hurting a woman, really, really is a kick in the nuts for me. |
| 23:37.50 | Cidan | Right after I did it, my mom called too. Perfect timing. |
| 23:38.04 | Cidan | On my new G1 google phone |
| 23:38.08 | Lopeppeppy | Moms know when to call, Cidan. You should know that after all these years. It's a radar thing. |
| 23:38.08 | Cidan | You know, the one that kicks ass? |
| 23:38.13 | Cidan | Yeah, must be. |
| 23:38.14 | Cidan | Jesus. |
| 23:38.20 | Cidan | She's like, a thousand miles away |
| 23:38.35 | Lopeppeppy | That actually makes it easier, not harder. |
| 23:43.16 | Lunessa | Cidan: Dude, I feel your pain, but you can't make yourself suffer to make someone else feel a fake happiness. |
| 23:43.26 | Cidan | Yup |
| 23:43.31 | Cidan | I did that with my last girlfriend for... 2 years. |
| 23:43.36 | Cidan | Which is why I did it early this time. |
| 23:43.49 | Lunessa | And life is too short to waste that much of each other's time. |
| 23:44.05 | Cidan | Agreed. Sigh. *cackle* |
| 23:44.08 | shadowfaux__ | Lunessa: qft, at both things |
| 23:44.10 | Cidan | Life goes on |
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| 23:44.37 | Lunessa | I'm totally the past master of profound wisdom on all things human... as long as I'm in irc. |
| 23:44.42 | Lopeppeppy | If Peppy the Bitter Divorce Chick thinks you did okay, you did okay. *hugs* Chin up. |
| 23:45.11 | Lunessa | I'm totally nice to myself. I'm getting a pedi later. :P |
| 23:45.16 | Cidan | hah |
| 23:45.19 | Cidan | I lawl'd irl. |
| 23:45.41 | Lunessa | My work here is done. |
| 23:46.11 | Lunessa | I must move on, to where ever a town cries out for justice! |
| 23:46.32 | KarlKFI_ | my feet are ticklish. i cant get pedicures |
| 23:46.37 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, pedi. I could go for that. |
| 23:46.38 | shadowfaux__ | Microsoft city? |
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| 23:47.12 | Cidan | Oh God |
| 23:47.24 | Cidan | So everyone here knows Hellgate London is shutting down, right? |
| 23:47.31 | Lopeppeppy | I'd heard, yes. |
| 23:47.41 | Cidan | Okay, so, they just sent out a mass e-mail to all people who have an account, saying that they are shutting down |
| 23:47.46 | Cidan | but they can't even get _that_ right |
| 23:47.47 | Cidan | and I quote |
| 23:48.00 | Cidan | Dear $Account{AccountName}, |
| 23:48.01 | Cidan | lol |
| 23:48.04 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 23:48.05 | Cidan | I laughed so hard. |
| 23:48.17 | erikd | hmmm, i didn't get an email |
| 23:48.17 | Lopeppeppy | Did they not test it on their staff first, to make sure the database pulled properly? |
| 23:48.28 | Cidan | It seems they didn't. |
| 23:48.44 | Lunessa | This is the city that never sleeps. It chews a man up inside, and makes him cold and bitter. I'm Lunessa, Private Eye. There's two slugs in me, one lead, the other bourbon. Fate's a fickle thing, and it knocks on my door in the form a draenei woman with a problem... |
| 23:48.55 | Cidan | Oh |
| 23:48.55 | Cidan | My |
| 23:49.00 | Cidan | God Lunessa. |
| 23:49.09 | Cidan | lol, =D |
| 23:49.24 | Dewin | I feel like I should know what that's from. |
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| 23:49.39 | erikd | an RP server? |
| 23:49.43 | Cidan | To me, it sounds like Guy Noir. |
| 23:49.47 | erikd | any detective movie ever made? |
| 23:49.56 | Lopeppeppy | Mike Hammer. |
| 23:49.56 | Lunessa | Dewin, a love of Mike Hammer, Guy Noir and Calvin & Hobbes. |
| 23:50.04 | Cidan | There we go. |
| 23:50.05 | Cidan | =D |
| 23:50.14 | alestane | I'm not sure if it's a single specific passage...more an assemblage of detective cliches. |
| 23:50.20 | Lopeppeppy | I loved Mike Hammer. |
| 23:50.26 | Cidan | Oh shit, I wonder if I can stream radio with the G1... |
| 23:50.33 | Cidan | Oh Jesus, NPR on the go? |
| 23:50.36 | Cidan | Yus plz. |
| 23:50.37 | alestane | And yes, I recognized the "two slugs" bit at the very least. |
| 23:51.04 | Cidan | on-tree? what's that? |
| 23:51.14 | Lunessa | I worked all that into one paragraph for laughs. But it makes me want to make a rogue and do that sort of thing in WoW. |
| 23:51.36 | Dewin | I wish I could actually find RP on my RP server. |
| 23:51.46 | Cidan | Back when RP servers RP'd. Sigh. |
| 23:51.52 | Cidan | RP servers used to be something else. |
| 23:52.06 | Dewin | I've had a grand total of two interactions since I came to Earthen Ring. |
| 23:52.07 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly|Ghost (n=chatzill@66-169-186-78.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 23:52.59 | Dewin | One started as an offhand comment of my warlock (who was in the temple in SW because he was on his way back from the SW table) making a statement to a priest who buffed me about being either brave or foolish to provide a boon to those who bring demons into their temple. |
| 23:53.14 | Dewin | And the other was just simple questing where I think the other person decided to play along but didn't RP normally. |
| 23:53.22 | bleeter | Cidan: two other online stations of worth, BBC World Service and ABC (Australia) News Radio |
| 23:53.27 | Lunessa | I avoid Earthen Ring. I'm on Kirin Tor and Earthen Ring folks come over and try to make themselves kings or whatever they got laughed at on ER for doing. |
| 23:53.54 | Dewin | Yeah, but I kind of have a lot of other stuff on ER and I like the support system :) |
| 23:54.08 | Dashkal | Dewin: Maelstrom(RP-PvP) does. Best bet is to get into an actual RP focused guild. Goldshire is best avoided |
| 23:54.11 | Dewin | though my inscriptionist toon is doing quite well for himself. |
| 23:54.12 | Lopeppeppy | I like Kirin Tor with Lunessa. |
| 23:54.28 | Dewin | I've been trying to find an RP focused guild for the character I have set aside for RPing |
| 23:54.28 | bleeter | I think I've had more RP style interaction since I left Throrium Brotherhood for a non-RP PvP server than ever before |
| 23:54.28 | Cidan | bleeter: Indeed, I'll likely check the app store now |
| 23:54.40 | Lunessa | Meh, unless something changes in the very near future I'm going to be looking for a new server. Finding a guild is turning out to be more painful than I expected. |
| 23:54.44 | Cidan | best thing about the google G1 phone? Free apps, all of them for now. =D |
| 23:55.07 | Dewin | Lunessa: stay away from Earthen Ring, we've had more post-patch-3.0 woes than all of the other servers combined I think. |
| 23:55.14 | Cidan | Slackwise: Neat isn't it? |
| 23:55.28 | Slackwise | This thing does /everything/. |
| 23:55.47 | Slackwise | Cidan: Indeed it is. Already building an app. :P |
| 23:55.47 | Cidan | It really does |
| 23:55.54 | Lunessa | Dewin: I planned to stay away from there. There's a core of people I wouldn't go near for money, love, or cookies. |
| 23:55.56 | Cidan | I love it so much |
| 23:56.00 | Cidan | I'm going to nab the devkit |
| 23:56.03 | Cidan | and start making stuff |
| 23:56.11 | Dewin | Yeah... dammit all for having friends there and not wanting to spend the $25 to move ;) |
| 23:56.36 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: You should spend more time on KT with me. *snuggle* |
| 23:56.46 | Lopeppeppy | If you weren't all thinking of moving. *poke* |
| 23:57.48 | Lunessa | Well, maybe if you were here... |
| 23:58.16 | Lopeppeppy | my presence is not enough to cause contentment, love. |
| 23:58.26 | NeoTron | Cidan: better question - is it actually a good platform? how's the maturity level and UI experience? |
| 23:59.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Zxcvb (n=not_tell@12-214-119-73.client.mchsi.com) |
| 23:59.39 | Cidan | In terms of end user? It's excellent. It's simple, it works well, it's bug free. The "notice" drop down area that you can drag down is insanely useful. |
| 23:59.58 | Zxcvb | so who did they nerf this time? |
