| 00:00.00 | Gnarfoz | used a Ratpadz GS for a long time |
| 00:00.11 | Shirik | ok who the hell is our editor for our newspaper |
| 00:00.11 | Gnarfoz | ah yes, heh |
| 00:00.14 | Gnarfoz | the glue is not the best |
| 00:00.19 | Shirik | Biden is expected to speak on lowering costs of higher education, and the importance of young people voting. |
| 00:00.20 | Corrodias | my cutting board is Ghetto Tech |
| 00:00.27 | Shirik | "And the importance of young people voting" IS NOT A PHRASE |
| 00:00.41 | Shirik | commas too |
| 00:00.55 | Corrodias | joe biden, is going, to talk about, edjucations. |
| 00:00.58 | qz | is there api to work with itemlinks? like to get item name from itemlink.. etc |
| 00:01.19 | Shirik | !api GetItemInfo |
| 00:01.19 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetItemInfo' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemInfo |
| 00:01.28 | Corrodias | edjucations is good, y'see, cuz it makes us more ejucates'd. |
| 00:01.28 | qz | ops |
| 00:01.30 | qz | thanks ;) |
| 00:02.05 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: there's instructions about what to do when your ratpad starts warping on ratpadz.com, btw ;p |
| 00:02.15 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 00:02.21 | Gnarfoz | the original ones are really awesome, should've never given away mine to a friend ;D |
| 00:02.22 | Arrowmaster | but mines fucking rock solid |
| 00:02.33 | Arrowmaster | nothing i do flatens it |
| 00:02.35 | Gnarfoz | the GS was a sad joke in comparison |
| 00:03.00 | Corrodias | tell you what. cutting boards don't warp. :F |
| 00:03.53 | qz | is there any list of developer 'must have' |
| 00:03.55 | qz | addons |
| 00:04.15 | Xinhuan | no |
| 00:04.16 | qz | (sorry for end of line) ;) like that DevTools, havent heard about it before. or Swatter.. |
| 00:06.00 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: yeah the instructions just say to bend it back, mine wont do that |
| 00:06.08 | Xinhuan | i don't consider any of them "must have" |
| 00:06.15 | Xinhuan | since all of them have alternatives |
| 00:08.29 | qz | Xinhuan, so anywhere to read about developer addons and possible alternatives? |
| 00:09.05 | Yssaril | cladhaire: http://ace.pastey.net/100519 <--- my own cycle function i came up with |
| 00:09.23 | Xinhuan | well there's bugsack/buggrabber instead of swatter |
| 00:09.46 | Xinhuan | and there's Rock/ace2/ace3 (some parts do what devtools does) instead of devtools |
| 00:10.35 | qz | isnt ace a library? |
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| 00:10.41 | Xinhuan | its also a developer tool |
| 00:10.58 | Arrowmaster | spew |
| 00:13.03 | cbreak | TinyTip is nice |
| 00:13.05 | cbreak | TinyPad I mean |
| 00:13.08 | Shirik | Why the hell does EVERY GUILD SPAM MESSAGE say "We have a guild bank and tabard!" |
| 00:13.15 | Shirik | It used to be funny |
| 00:13.17 | Shirik | now it's just "stfu" |
| 00:13.20 | cbreak | it's a notepad that can execute text as lua code |
| 00:13.44 | |pez| | Shirik: I have a guild bank and a tabard! :D |
| 00:13.57 | cbreak | me too... but our tabard is ugly |
| 00:14.06 | |pez| | Mine is sweet |
| 00:14.09 | |pez| | it's got a heart. |
| 00:14.22 | |pez| | the boyfriend refuses to use the tabard :\ |
| 00:15.24 | cbreak | tabards look bad with robes. |
| 00:15.30 | Slackwise | Time to make a guild named <WE HAZ TABARD> ? |
| 00:15.43 | Tem | I respond do those like this, Shirik |
| 00:15.49 | cbreak | at least use proper english |
| 00:16.16 | Tekkub | damnit |
| 00:16.18 | Slackwise | "<WE HAZ TABARD> is looking for anyone above level 19 that wants a fun casual guild. We have a guild bank, but unfortunately no tabard yet." |
| 00:16.22 | Tekkub | WTB motivation |
| 00:17.22 | cbreak | I am sure google can give you some motivational pictures :) |
| 00:17.45 | Tekkub | already did that twice thanks |
| 00:18.05 | cbreak | like this: http://www.wise4living.com/busspeaker/images/mostivational_poster.jpg |
| 00:18.08 | selckin | if you find the secret to motivation, you can have all my money |
| 00:18.11 | Tem | The Guild Recruitment Channel exists for a reason |
| 00:18.22 | Tem | People who aren't in it don't want to see your recruitment spam. |
| 00:18.25 | Tem | Kindly diaf. |
| 00:18.31 | Tekkub | agreed |
| 00:18.52 | selckin | its like LFG channel , thats /who my guild and wisper people |
| 00:19.08 | selckin | (from randoms) |
| 00:19.17 | Shirik | I like people that whisper spam |
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| 00:19.22 | Shirik | because I'm in a guild "Priests of Discord" |
| 00:19.26 | Tekkub | me: "find us a group then" leveling partner "okey let's hit town" me: "why?" him: "so I can get on trade" |
| 00:19.33 | Shirik | And people that "/who Priest" get our entire guild to show up |
| 00:19.42 | Shirik | and they start asking warlocks if they can heal |
| 00:20.17 | |pez| | do'h |
| 00:20.18 | Tekkub | lol |
| 00:20.23 | |pez| | or is it d'oh |
| 00:20.26 | |pez| | I don't remember. |
| 00:20.34 | Tekkub | d'oh |
| 00:20.41 | selckin | ritos new from smiths |
| 00:20.41 | Tem | I only resort to whisperspamming on beta |
| 00:20.47 | Tem | because there's no healers at all |
| 00:20.57 | selckin | i healed all tbc, never again. |
| 00:21.26 | selckin | its the hardest part of the game, and all you get is all the blame |
| 00:21.29 | Tem | I don't mind it |
| 00:21.35 | Shirik | I'll heal for you Tem! |
| 00:21.35 | Tem | and I don't think it's the hardest |
| 00:21.41 | Shirik | Oh wait |
| 00:21.44 | Shirik | you're on the evil side |
| 00:21.48 | Shirik | SO YOU DESERVE NO HEALER |
| 00:22.04 | Tekkub | after healing as a druid, I don't want to do it on my priest or pally >< |
| 00:22.08 | selckin | oh look half the raid stands in aoe |
| 00:22.11 | selckin | healers suck today! |
| 00:22.17 | cbreak | I got that whisper a few days ago: "Excuse me, I am just wondering wether you need to buy some gold? We have 17k in stock right now. If not, I won't msg you again. thank you:)" |
| 00:22.32 | selckin | cbreak: thats very common |
| 00:22.33 | cbreak | that was the friendliest gold spammer I've ever met |
| 00:22.42 | selckin | they've been doing that for months |
| 00:22.45 | cbreak | took me over 10 seconds to decide to report it |
| 00:22.50 | selckin | usualy they say hi first and wait for a reply |
| 00:23.02 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 00:23.05 | Gnarfoz | that's very common? |
| 00:23.05 | Shirik | oh good memories |
| 00:23.14 | Gnarfoz | gold spammers seem to be quite different on US realms, then |
| 00:23.25 | cbreak | I am on EU |
| 00:23.30 | selckin | same eu |
| 00:23.31 | Shirik | Back in an old game I used to play, we used to recognize gold farmers by "hi" |
| 00:23.32 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 00:23.38 | Gnarfoz | english language EU realms, then |
| 00:23.51 | Shirik | Leveling was extremely difficult and had to be done in a group, so they would look for people to group with. All they would ever say is "hi" |
| 00:23.55 | Shirik | And "party plz" |
| 00:23.59 | Tekkub | I havn't seen any spam since I came back from beta when 3.0 dropped... |
| 00:24.05 | Shirik | never at the same time |
| 00:24.09 | cbreak | I am on EU-English-Turalyon :) |
| 00:24.11 | Gnarfoz | BadBoy <3 |
| 00:24.15 | Shirik | oh, "party me ok?" |
| 00:24.24 | Tekkub | no, I have no spam addon |
| 00:24.32 | Gnarfoz | BadBoy wouldn't catch that kind of spam, obviously, but^^ |
| 00:24.53 | Gnarfoz | yeah, reports have gone down, but I haven't been idling in towns as much, too |
| 00:25.06 | Tekkub | all I do is idle in town! |
| 00:25.11 | Tekkub | I'm doing it now.. |
| 00:25.37 | cbreak | thought of doing daily quests to increase your amount of gold? :) |
| 00:25.47 | cbreak | or doing some achievements? |
| 00:25.55 | Tekkub | I'm edging in on 10k from inscription |
| 00:25.59 | Tekkub | so no :P |
| 00:26.08 | cbreak | I have 25k from daily quests |
| 00:26.22 | Tekkub | and I've been poking at achievements bit by bit, but I have to be careful |
| 00:26.27 | cbreak | oh, wait, no... 23k, I bought too many mounts for the achievement :/ |
| 00:26.29 | Tekkub | otherwise the OCD will kill me |
| 00:26.42 | Gnarfoz | you make money with inscription? :\ |
| 00:26.49 | Tekkub | I have 10k on my other toon also, this one's *just* from scriptin |
| 00:26.57 | Tekkub | sure as hell do |
| 00:27.03 | Gnarfoz | on patch day, like, half the server leveled it to 365 and now there's absolutely no market left |
| 00:27.18 | Tekkub | oh most of the glyphs are shit prices |
| 00:27.20 | Gnarfoz | because our server population is small as it is, everyone has glyphs by now, I guess |
| 00:27.23 | Gnarfoz | and prices... |
| 00:27.29 | Tekkub | there's maybe 1-2 per ink that make money at any given time |
| 00:27.29 | Gnarfoz | under 1g |
| 00:27.43 | cbreak | I can just send herbs to guildies and get glyphs back. |
| 00:27.53 | Gnarfoz | what for, though :\ |
| 00:27.54 | Tekkub | most of my server's glyphs are like 10-50s |
| 00:28.01 | Tekkub | but there's a few good ones |
| 00:28.08 | kd3 | meh. I should probably glyph out at some point |
| 00:28.09 | Tekkub | and the minors always make money |
| 00:28.15 | kd3 | all I've bought is slow fall |
| 00:28.22 | Gnarfoz | minors are better, but still not good, really |
| 00:28.26 | cbreak | I have Mage Armor and Blink |
| 00:28.30 | cbreak | they are both nice |
| 00:28.31 | |pez| | I don't have any glyphs yet! |
| 00:28.45 | cbreak | I'll get Water Elemental later on |
| 00:29.01 | Gnarfoz | Blizz had the balls to actually KILL the EU english servers that were mostly populated by russians after they opened wow.ru |
| 00:29.05 | Gnarfoz | that's a first |
| 00:29.12 | Gnarfoz | they should start merging german rp-pvp realms |
| 00:29.16 | Gnarfoz | like, all 4 of them |
| 00:29.18 | cbreak | after migrating everyone off |
| 00:29.30 | Gnarfoz | that'd still be less people than any of ther german pvp realms |
| 00:29.34 | Tekkub | lesse.. the minors I can make range from... 6.95g-50g currently |
| 00:29.36 | cbreak | I wonder why they didn't just force-merge them |
| 00:29.55 | Tekkub | inks cost me 1.75g-4.36g each |
| 00:29.57 | Gnarfoz | yeah, who knows :\ |
| 00:30.05 | Tekkub | so there you go, profit for every single one |
| 00:30.16 | qz | anyone used GetItemInfo function? it chokes on some link from my inventory for no reason at all.. =p |
| 00:30.32 | cbreak | define chocke |
| 00:31.13 | qz | using it in hack and it says "runtime error" |
| 00:31.15 | cbreak | maybe it's a caching issue |
| 00:31.24 | cbreak | hmm... :/ |
| 00:31.47 | qz | thought it will just return nil if item is not in cache =p |
| 00:31.59 | qz | are there better ways to get names of items in bags? |
| 00:32.12 | qz | not going through this GetContainterItemLink -> GetItemInfo |
| 00:34.23 | Tekkub | Shirik, uh, bleach right? "destroys" :P |
| 00:34.38 | Shirik | I dunno what's in it :) |
| 00:34.41 | Tekkub | too long to fit on the bottle |
| 00:34.44 | Shirik | but whatever it is, it can't kill it |
| 00:34.51 | Tekkub | minor detail |
| 00:35.01 | cbreak | depends on your definition of life. |
| 00:35.19 | Cide | nope |
| 00:35.20 | cbreak | (and if strands of amino acids are included) |
| 00:35.31 | Cide | life is actually pretty well-defined |
| 00:35.32 | Shirik | There is a pretty solid definition of life |
| 00:35.36 | Cide | I win. |
| 00:35.40 | Shirik | Negative! |
| 00:35.44 | Shirik | (19:35:21) (@Shirik) There is a pretty solid definition of life |
| 00:35.45 | Shirik | (19:35:21) (+Cide) life is actually pretty well-defined |
| 00:35.49 | Cide | <Cide> life is actually pretty well-defined |
| 00:35.49 | Cide | <Shirik> There is a pretty solid definition of life |
| 00:35.53 | cbreak | I've seen cide first. |
| 00:35.53 | Shirik | your client lies |
| 00:35.56 | Cide | oh, snap. |
| 00:35.57 | Shirik | Your client lies too |
| 00:35.59 | Cide | besides |
| 00:36.15 | Cide | I always win |
| 00:36.28 | Shirik | vim ./nohup.out |
| 00:36.30 | Shirik | oh I win |
| 00:36.54 | Cide | ~failrik |
| 00:36.55 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:36.59 | Cide | oh I win |
| 00:37.11 | Shirik | Curse the day you ever came up with that |
| 00:37.19 | Cide | haha |
| 00:37.23 | Cide | ~factinfo failrik |
| 00:37.23 | purl | failrik -- created by Cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> at Mon Mar 17 17:36:58 2008 (230 days); it has been requested 171 times, last by Cide, 28s ago. |
| 00:37.42 | Cide | that was a wonderful march day |
| 00:38.13 | ccox | ~falirik |
| 00:38.22 | ccox | ~failrik |
| 00:38.22 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:38.43 | Cide | don't abuse it |
| 00:38.46 | Shirik | hrm |
| 00:38.47 | Cide | it has to be the right moment |
| 00:38.47 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/100523 |
| 00:38.49 | Shirik | you win, for now |
| 00:38.56 | Cide | haha |
| 00:39.02 | ccox | I wanted to see if someone aliased other misspellings |
| 00:39.07 | Cide | your bot abandons you as well |
| 00:39.21 | Cide | ~failrick |
| 00:39.22 | purl | failrick is probably Shirik's been Rick Rolled! |
| 00:39.29 | Cide | boo |
| 00:39.36 | Tekkub | ~failprick |
| 00:39.49 | ccox | ~purl |
| 00:39.50 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 00:40.00 | Cide | ok so |
| 00:40.06 | ccox | Tekkub - they have viagra for that one |
| 00:40.07 | Cide | someone should make a gui builder |
| 00:40.08 | Cide | in wow |
| 00:40.22 | Shirik | someone should make a debugger in wow |
| 00:40.44 | Cide | that's borign tho |
| 00:40.45 | Cide | boring |
| 00:40.50 | Shirik | boring? |
| 00:40.54 | Cide | yep |
| 00:41.02 | ccox | Shirik - without file or source access, that could be difficult |
| 00:41.09 | Shirik | I disagree, ccox |
| 00:41.22 | ccox | Shirik: and you already have a debugger with simple variable access |
| 00:41.35 | ccox | Shirik: without adding anything to the interpreter? Do tell... |
| 00:41.36 | Shirik | Lua's debug library is actually rather extensive |
| 00:41.49 | Shirik | The problem is we don't have the debug library |
| 00:41.50 | Shirik | ... yet |
| 00:42.54 | Shirik | The only issue with my implementation will be performance, however my argument is that generally you will not care as mucha bout performance while debugging |
| 00:43.21 | Shirik | Lua happens to know a lot about the line numbers and filenames of the code while it's executing |
| 00:43.26 | Shirik | it's actually accessing that data which is the hard part |
| 00:44.12 | Tekkub | problem is, you know devs will just turn on debuggery and leave it on |
| 00:45.07 | ccox | NEW DBM module: debugger check |
| 00:45.08 | Shirik | I have a sudden craving for starcraft :( |
| 00:47.18 | Corrodias | i have a craving for your entrails |
| 00:47.23 | Corrodias | :d MMMMMMMMMM |
| 00:47.27 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. |
| 00:47.34 | NightHawkTheSane | my Riptide tics are proccing my scarab of the infinite cycle. |
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| 00:58.19 | Shirik | yayaya |
| 00:58.21 | Shirik | cookies done |
| 00:58.27 | Syzgyn | Nomnomnom |
| 00:58.33 | Shirik | except now they need cooling |
| 00:58.43 | Syzgyn | your face needs cooling |
| 00:58.59 | Tekkub | you mean smishing |
| 00:59.15 | Syzgyn | Both! |
| 00:59.40 | ccox | now that's not nice |
| 00:59.52 | Tekkub | DUH |
| 01:00.04 | ccox | come on, Shirik has a perfectly usable face |
| 01:00.07 | Syzgyn | ~lart ccox |
| 01:00.07 | purl | throws ccox's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 01:00.27 | Syzgyn | harsh |
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| 01:01.45 | ccox | now I'll admit that it is mostly usable for scaring small children, but that's no reason to call for smashing his face |
| 01:02.43 | Dewin | Inscription makes so much gold right now. |
| 01:02.55 | ccox | and his face must have made some good money posing for all those horror movie masks |
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| 01:03.20 | Shirik | mean |
| 01:03.29 | ccox | dewin - depends on the server, on mine most of the glyphs are selling for less than a gold each |
| 01:03.54 | ccox | dewin - the few that are selling well are the rare ones that other folks haven't discovered yet |
| 01:03.58 | ccox | :-P |
| 01:04.33 | Dewin | ccox: Feather fall goes for 12-19g on my server |
| 01:04.43 | Dewin | My lv18 priest learned that one with his first-ever minor inscription research |
| 01:05.12 | ccox | Dewin: sigh, I can't sell em for 2g (just got 4 out of 5 back from AH) |
| 01:05.15 | Dewin | I gave him an allotment of 4 16-slot bags + 10g. He has 220g now. |
| 01:05.41 | ccox | and I'm on a low population server! |
| 01:06.52 | Xuerian | Glyphs still have a good bit to go before they balance out.. |
| 01:07.07 | ccox | yep |
| 01:07.19 | ccox | and I'll be glad when herb prices balance out as well |
| 01:16.13 | Tekkub | so if crushings are gone, does that part of the attack table just fall back to normal hits? |
| 01:16.56 | Yssaril | cladhaire: just thought of something instead of naming unknown waypoint as "Unknown Waypoint" how about simply makeing its coords its name? |
| 01:18.04 | ReAn | Ungoro or Felwood first... i cannot make up my mind >_> |
| 01:22.45 | Corrodias | both, i think |
| 01:22.59 | Corrodias | as i recall, i was not able to complete all quests in either one all at once; i had to come back later |
| 01:23.05 | Corrodias | maybe that was just felwood |
| 01:25.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Resto shaman that don't pick up Cleanse Spirit make me a sad panda |
| 01:27.48 | Tekkub | shut your pandahole before I put something in it |
| 01:29.58 | Shirik | Based on how crushing blows work, that should be true, Tekkub |
| 01:30.06 | Tekkub | okey good |
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| 01:31.51 | ReAn | Corrodias: i'll prolly have to make 2 passes each, but im unsure of which to start with |
| 01:34.28 | Corrodias | i sure don't remember, but i would say felwood |
| 01:37.35 | Tekkub | I think I shall name this tekttacktable |
| 01:37.45 | Tekkub | or tekKrit |
| 01:37.47 | alestane | Crushing blows aren't gone according to the tips, but bosses shouldn't be eligible for them anymore. |
| 01:38.08 | Tekkub | crushing blows aren't gone |
| 01:38.21 | Tekkub | they're just on +4 level mobs |
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| 01:38.35 | malreth | hey Tekkub... nice work on the new Cork |
| 01:38.40 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 01:38.56 | alestane | So I don't think we're disagreeing on anything. Please excuse the fact that I came in partway through the discussion. |
| 01:39.12 | Tekkub | nah it's not really partway |
| 01:39.27 | Tekkub | it's just me trying to beat my head against attack tables till I get em |
| 01:39.35 | Tekkub | <--- new to tanking |
| 01:39.50 | malreth | it needs to support all the tracking abilities such as Low Level Quests |
| 01:39.56 | Tekkub | and at the same time, tweak lowAvoidance to work how I want |
| 01:40.15 | Tekkub | not gonna happen mal |
| 01:40.25 | Tekkub | the non-spell ones are a lot more effort |
| 01:40.31 | Tekkub | I'm lazy |
| 01:41.22 | malreth | guess i'll figure out how to hack in support then |
| 01:41.32 | Tekkub | have at it |
| 01:41.38 | malreth | i always do |
| 01:43.28 | NightHawkTheSane | was archimonde specifically nerfed more than other raid mobs in 3.0? |
| 01:43.34 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 01:43.43 | Gnarfoz | 30%, like everyone else |
| 01:43.52 | Gnarfoz | and he couldn't crush to begin with, anyway |
| 01:43.58 | ScytheBlade1 | The difference being 30% on arch was more than any other boss |
| 01:44.05 | ScytheBlade1 | He had a stupid amount of HP |
| 01:44.10 | Gnarfoz | 30% is 30% |
| 01:44.11 | Gnarfoz | duh |
| 01:44.12 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 01:44.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Well i meant other than that 30% |
| 01:44.29 | ScytheBlade1 | 30% of 19000000000000 is more than 30% of 3 :P |
| 01:44.35 | Gnarfoz | it's not really relevant what that is in numbers. |
| 01:44.40 | Gnarfoz | 30% is 30% regardless ;) |
| 01:44.44 | malreth | but his power level is still over 70% of 130% of your power |
| 01:45.02 | malreth | which makes his power level OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAND!!! |
| 01:45.03 | Gnarfoz | malreth: I disagree, it's >9k |
| 01:45.18 | Gnarfoz | oh we agree, then. meh. that's starting to be overused |
| 01:45.26 | malreth | Starting? |
| 01:45.31 | malreth | >_> |
| 01:45.50 | malreth | it was overused before it was even translated and brought to america |
| 01:46.18 | Gnarfoz | I'm not even in america, woohoo |
| 01:49.34 | Dotted | http://www.keywordspy.com/organic/keyword.aspx?q=wowi%20ui <- #7 is my dads personal domain wtf >_< |
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| 01:53.39 | mikma | lol, i didn't remember they removed the CD from primal might transmute |
| 01:54.49 | kd3 | I h8 u mindspring! |
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| 02:02.51 | malreth | hmm... cork is showing people twice... once for being in my party and again for being in the raid |
| 02:10.09 | mikma | poork cork |
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| 02:10.40 | mikma | nice typo, me likey |
| 02:13.57 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 02:14.01 | Corrodias | i'd like some cooked pork right now |
| 02:14.16 | Corrodias | ooooh god, some nice fried pork chops |
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| 02:26.50 | Dewin | Earthen Ring is full of fail. |
| 02:26.55 | Dewin | <.< |
| 02:26.55 | Dewin | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/ |
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| 02:44.06 | kd3 | whee |
| 02:44.09 | kd3 | our first warglaive |
| 02:44.16 | kd3 | a week before the expansion >.< |
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| 02:45.45 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ |
| 02:45.45 | Sixen | heh |
| 02:46.10 | erikd | we've never completed a set in 11 months |
| 02:47.39 | kd3 | I've got memories of the right binding never dropping |
| 02:47.40 | Shirik | I really wish people would stop calling names like "FoƩ" names with ASCII characters in them |
| 02:47.48 | kd3 | eegah, years |
| 02:47.56 | Shirik | More specifically, I wish people would stop saying that "Names with ASCII characters in them are illegal" |
| 02:48.05 | Legorol | Totally noob question: how do I get down from Acherus to the ground as a starting DK? |
| 02:48.18 | kd3 | quest takes you down |
| 02:48.19 | Sixen | I wish Shirik would run out of wishes. |
| 02:48.26 | kd3 | gryphon |
| 02:48.28 | Shirik | I wish I could ban Sixen |
| 02:48.30 | Shirik | oh wait, I can! |
| 02:48.39 | Sixen | I wish Shirik really runs out of wishes, o_o. |
| 02:48.54 | Sixen | Like, really quickly.. Before I end up dead. |
| 02:49.00 | Legorol | kd3: i can see the skeletal gryphons, but I don't seem to be able to ride them down |
| 02:49.03 | erikd | names like "FoĆĀ©" ARE names with ascii characters in them :) |
| 02:49.08 | Shirik | erikd: So is erikd |
| 02:49.12 | Sixen | ~hug Shirik |
| 02:49.13 | purl | ACTION hugs Shirik |
| 02:49.13 | erikd | yup |
| 02:49.17 | Legorol | I've been down on the ground, I came back up via the gryphon, and now I can't get down |
| 02:49.18 | kd3 | they're not active until you get to the quest that takes you down |
| 02:49.26 | Legorol | Hmmm |
| 02:49.29 | kd3 | did you come back up on a quest? |
| 02:49.32 | Shirik | So if names with ASCII characters in them are illegal, then we all should be banned |
| 02:49.32 | Legorol | nope |
| 02:49.36 | kd3 | hm |
| 02:49.39 | kd3 | relog? |
| 02:49.39 | Legorol | kd3: nope, i never did the quest in the first place |
| 02:49.44 | Legorol | I guess this is a messed up DK |
| 02:49.52 | Legorol | I rolled this one back when Acherus looked different |
| 02:50.01 | kd3 | ya, toss it |
| 02:50.05 | erikd | i didn't say they were illegal |
| 02:50.07 | Legorol | Her HS location for example is on top of Acherus, with no way to get down from it |
| 02:50.14 | erikd | i just said they had ascii characters |
| 02:50.15 | kd3 | I got one stuck back when the first version up there too |
| 02:50.24 | Legorol | kd3: the problem is, I already done loads of quests on her |
| 02:50.30 | kd3 | oh noes, an hour |
| 02:50.31 | Legorol | just HS-d on a whim |
| 02:50.42 | kd3 | page a GM, they can fix you |
| 02:50.46 | Legorol | I'll see if doing quests inside Acherus gets me down |
| 02:50.53 | Legorol | At least from the top, you can just fall off and kill yourself |
| 02:51.10 | Legorol | That takes you down to the ground |
| 02:51.18 | Legorol | Unfortunately my HS is on cooldown |
| 02:51.41 | Legorol | It's pretty funny though to have a char with an HS location that's now impossible to get to :o) |
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| 02:55.52 | kd3 | meh, they changed a FP in stormpeaks after I learned it but before I did any quests and I landed in the middle of a camp of hostile elites |
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| 02:57.32 | Legorol | rofl, i just received the most unique error message I have ever seen: |
| 02:57.40 | Legorol | "You have completed that quest" |
| 02:57.49 | Legorol | This happened when I tried to click Accept on a quest |
| 02:57.55 | Xuerian | Legorol: Warlock demon quest? |
| 02:58.09 | Legorol | nope, one of the DK starting quests in Acherus |
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| 03:13.56 | kd3 | whee... outland crashed |
| 03:19.59 | Shirik | Does vent support proxies? |
| 03:22.46 | alestane | I *think* so. |
| 03:26.16 | Shirik | I don't see an option for it, and google isn't really helping :( |
| 03:26.44 | Shirik | !api latency |
| 03:26.45 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'latency'. |
| 03:26.49 | Shirik | sigh |
| 03:26.55 | Shirik | !api lag |
| 03:26.55 | lua_bot | Found 6 possible results for 'lag': GuildControlSetRankFlag, QuestFlagsPVP, FlagTutorial, GuildControlGetRankFlags, GetBattlefieldFlagPosition, GetNumBattlefieldFlagPositions |
| 03:27.01 | Shirik | no! |
| 03:27.07 | Shirik | !api ping |
| 03:27.08 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'InitWorldMapPing' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/InitWorldMapPing |
| 03:27.18 | malreth | !api network |
| 03:27.18 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'network'. |
| 03:27.28 | malreth | !api net |
| 03:27.28 | lua_bot | Found 8 possible results for 'net': GetMinimapZoneText, GetSubZoneText, GetNetStats, GetRealZoneText, GetSpellPenetration, GetZoneText, GetRuneType, GetArmorPenetration |
| 03:27.36 | kd3 | GetNetStats() |
| 03:27.41 | Shirik | thank you kd3 |
| 03:27.45 | Shirik | and malreth |
| 03:27.52 | alestane | Look in MainMenuMicroButtons, or the old latency meter code on wowcompares? |
| 03:28.11 | Shirik | The point was for me to quickly get my ping just right now, not to spend 10 minutes trying to figure it out >< |
| 03:28.19 | Shirik | I just was curious what it was, and don't have it up on my screen |
| 03:29.08 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.08 | Iriel | ' |
| 03:29.30 | Shirik | yeah I figured it out, considering I was pretty convinced neither 1.2 nor 0.7 were my ping time :) |
| 03:30.02 | Iriel | Couldn't you just mouse over the Main menu icon? |
| 03:30.12 | Shirik | Dominoes takes that away |
| 03:30.16 | Iriel | Ah |
| 03:30.20 | Shirik | oh wait, no it doesn't |
| 03:30.23 | Shirik | now I feel like an idiot >.> |
| 03:31.18 | kd3 | "now"? |
| 03:31.31 | Shirik | :( |
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| 03:36.29 | Shirik | ok I'm even more of an idiot now |
| 03:36.33 | Shirik | I figured out why my ping was so high |
| 03:36.37 | Shirik | I forgot I was downloading something :( |
| 03:40.44 | Iriel | Shirik: Sometimes you could just not tell us these things and we'd think you were much smarter 8-) |
| 03:41.36 | cog|away | Yeah... we all get tired of ~failriking sometimes |
| 03:41.38 | cog|away | <.< |
| 03:41.40 | cog|away | >.> |
| 03:42.48 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|away: thats a lie and you know it. |
| 03:42.57 | NightHawkTheSane | failrik never gets old. |
| 03:43.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 03:43.22 | Shirik | Iriel: It's more fun this way |
| 03:43.38 | Shirik | I know I make myself look like an idiot (Hopefully you don't think I'm actually like that...). It keeps the channel entertained at the very least |
| 03:44.02 | cog|away | ~tickle Shirik |
| 03:44.02 | purl | ACTION jumps on Shirik, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 03:47.35 | AbsoRayne_ | Evening all |
| 03:48.35 | AbsoRayne | cog|away: Coffee does sound good |
| 03:48.38 | AbsoRayne | actually |
| 03:51.08 | Syzgyn | So, Eredar Twins. |
| 03:51.18 | Syzgyn | Great fun is being had with conflag |
| 03:51.35 | selckin | ledge boss > |
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| 03:53.06 | Syzgyn | We're doing it without the ledge boss |
| 03:53.12 | Syzgyn | Alythress first. |
| 03:53.41 | Syzgyn | Our lock tank is sucking at aggro |
| 03:54.07 | Arrowmaster | that will always happen now |
| 03:54.41 | Syzgyn | yeah |
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| 03:57.04 | Mike-N-Go | Why is it called recurssion? |
| 03:57.38 | cog|away | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/recursion |
| 03:58.10 | NightHawkTheSane | http://google.com/search?q=define:recursion |
| 03:59.57 | Mike-N-Go | I rather like http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/R/recursion.html myself. |
| 04:00.03 | Iriel | Because every time you overflow the stack you find yourself re-cursin'? |
| 04:02.17 | Syzgyn | T_T |
| 04:04.55 | Iriel | time for coffee and fallout 3 -- i'll spare you more punishment |
| 04:05.01 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 04:05.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Enjoying Fallout 3? |
| 04:05.22 | Iriel | hell yes, it's really good (I didn't play the originals, save for a few minutes on gametap) |
| 04:05.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I played it for all of two hours and I'm still lost |
| 04:06.22 | Iriel | Oh, i'm completely outgunned (Actually i'm getting better now so it's less bad), but its got such a great atmostphere, I think being overwhelmed and having trouble getting ones bearings is entirely intentional |
| 04:06.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That much I'll agree with you on, but having no money when everyone asks for it... |
| 04:07.04 | ScytheBlade1 | That gets me |
| 04:07.12 | Iriel | Pick up tin cans and sell them? Kill critters and scavenge them for meat? |
| 04:07.18 | Corrodias | in a way, i like games that expect a lot from you |
| 04:07.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, perhaps |
| 04:07.26 | Corrodias | or rather |
| 04:07.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe I'll go a hunting |
| 04:07.30 | Iriel | If you start exploring you start finding stuff you can sell |
| 04:07.40 | Iriel | also, it can help to pick up raider gear and repair it |
| 04:07.43 | Corrodias | games that put you in bad situations with lots of atmosphere to promote the feeling of helplessness |
| 04:07.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I was REALLY tempted to hit the detonate trigger for the money |
| 04:07.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I realized it wasn't much money at all |
| 04:08.12 | Iriel | one repaired piece of armor has a much better cap/weight ratio than most of the junk |
| 04:08.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I don't even have the money to repair quite yet :) |
| 04:09.08 | Iriel | Eh? Repair things yourself |
| 04:09.13 | Arrowmaster | get your own repair skill up |
| 04:09.20 | Arrowmaster | everybody else has like 15 repair skill |
| 04:09.22 | Iriel | [Y] on the items screen |
| 04:09.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm k |
| 04:09.33 | Iriel | if you have 2 of an item, you can use one to repair the other |
| 04:09.51 | Iriel | (Your skill determines how good you can make the result, and thus what you can even try to repair) |
| 04:10.10 | Arrowmaster | some of the repair stuff is a little weird |
| 04:10.20 | Arrowmaster | you can only repair combat helmets with combat helmets |
| 04:10.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me I'd have to spend an hour reading up on "how to play" before I'd get the hang of it |
| 04:10.38 | Arrowmaster | but you can repair river city guard helmets with river city guard helmets or combat helmets |
| 04:10.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I've never liked RPGs, so |
| 04:10.46 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: I'd recommend one trip through the manual, but a quick one |
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| 04:11.01 | Arrowmaster | and you can repair vault 101 helmets with river city guard helmets or combat helmets |
| 04:11.03 | Iriel | Holding B to turn on your light was the gem I came away with |
| 04:11.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Or tab :) |
| 04:11.20 | Iriel | Ah, i'm playing on the '360 |
| 04:11.22 | Arrowmaster | nah its be |
| 04:11.24 | Arrowmaster | b |
| 04:11.28 | kd3|hate`net | hate |
| 04:12.01 | ScytheBlade1 | PC here |
| 04:12.11 | Iriel | Evidently, if you have a TAB key 8-) |
| 04:12.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 04:12.40 | Arrowmaster | i should do something about that bomb, i need a house to store stuff in |
| 04:12.50 | Iriel | I need to get my explosives skill up |
| 04:12.58 | Arrowmaster | mentats |
| 04:13.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm really debating just starting over, but something tells me basing starting skills off of a single event in the very beginning would be a poor idea |
| 04:13.43 | Arrowmaster | you should get +10 skill from using mentats |
| 04:13.50 | Arrowmaster | is that still not enough? |
| 04:14.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no idea! |
| 04:14.02 | Iriel | I'm going to give that a try... |
| 04:14.05 | Arrowmaster | or +10 if you have 5 per |
| 04:14.21 | Iriel | I wonder if I have any +explosive clothes in my inventory |
| 04:14.34 | Arrowmaster | raider blastmaster helmet? |
| 04:14.59 | Iriel | I dont tend to carry raider stuff, 'cept to sell it |
| 04:15.54 | Iriel | Anyway, the 360 (and the coffee) are in another room, so i'm going to go idle and hit the wasteland |
| 04:16.04 | Arrowmaster | if you can figure it out |
| 04:16.14 | Arrowmaster | Zone: 1.11 |
| 04:16.20 | Arrowmaster | Lat/Lon: -17/18 |
| 04:16.27 | Arrowmaster | Location: WKML Broadcast Station |
| 04:16.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Have fun, Iriel |
| 04:16.33 | Arrowmaster | for +10 explosives |
| 04:16.39 | Arrowmaster | bobblehead |
| 04:17.01 | Iriel | I suspect that's in more hostile lands than I'm currently equipped to survive |
| 04:17.09 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 04:17.22 | Arrowmaster | i ran to rivit city at like level 4 |
| 04:17.33 | Arrowmaster | fucking super mutants |
| 04:17.40 | Iriel | Yeah, hate them |
| 04:17.47 | Iriel | Though their minigun is decently fun |
| 04:17.49 | Iriel | albeit slow |
| 04:18.04 | Arrowmaster | weighs too much |
| 04:18.06 | Arrowmaster | sold it |
| 04:18.10 | Iriel | I'm a big fan of the hunting rifle and laser rifle at present |
| 04:18.31 | Arrowmaster | i cleared the super duper mart with my silenced 10mm |
| 04:18.49 | Arrowmaster | fucking 1 shotting raiders from stealth with vats headshots |
| 04:19.32 | Arrowmaster | was up to like 400 lb of loot and i had to stash it in a garbage can outside |
| 04:19.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Not the BB, but the small handheld |
| 04:19.54 | Arrowmaster | yeah me too |
| 04:20.04 | Arrowmaster | does more damage than the silenced one |
| 04:20.14 | Arrowmaster | 10mm and huntingrifle |
| 04:20.33 | Arrowmaster | plus frag nades sometimes when i need the extra help |
| 04:23.53 | kd3 | whee |
| 04:24.01 | kd3 | we've got someone who's bugged and can't zone out of sw:p |
| 04:24.09 | kd3 | ports, alt-f4, hearths, nothing |
| 04:28.35 | Shirik | Mike-N-Go: That's awesome |
| 04:33.19 | kd3 | rofl. tank died on felmyst I was #2 on aggro. one shot for something like 18k |
| 04:39.56 | Iriel | House sweet house, I should have done that ages ago! |
| 04:50.46 | Shirik | House? |
| 04:50.48 | Shirik | Like tiesto? |
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| 05:07.15 | Tekkub | hehe, prot pally and I was #2 on DPS |
| 05:10.14 | |Jelly| | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1404/ |
| 05:12.08 | Xuerian | lol.. |
| 05:19.50 | Shirik | Odd |
| 05:19.54 | Shirik | DEP is shutting down Starcraft |
| 05:20.12 | NightHawkTheSane | dep? |
| 05:20.17 | Shirik | ~wtf DEP |
| 05:20.21 | Shirik | ~dep |
| 05:20.27 | Shirik | oh you fail so much |
| 05:20.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Department of Evironmental protection? |
| 05:21.36 | Shirik | purl, dep is Data Execution Prevention, a protection tool built into more recent versions of Microsoft Windows which identifies when a program attempts to execute code in memory which has been written to since the application started, blocking potential buffer overflow exploits. |
| 05:21.37 | purl | Shirik: okay |
| 05:21.40 | Torhal | Dyslexic, Egotistic Programmers? |
| 05:23.34 | Xuerian | Shirik: DEP also doesn't like homeworld2 |
| 05:23.42 | Xuerian | Ironically enough cata and 1 are fine.. |
| 05:24.06 | Xuerian | Shirik: Data Execution Prevention |
| 05:24.18 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:24.32 | Xuerian | Oh. It did answer it properly. |
| 05:24.34 | Xuerian | Nevermind. |
| 05:24.36 | Shirik | no |
| 05:24.38 | Shirik | I answered it for it |
| 05:24.41 | Xuerian | Oh. |
| 05:24.45 | Xuerian | Correction |
| 05:24.48 | Xuerian | It answers properly now |
| 05:24.52 | Shirik | :) |
| 05:25.24 | Xuerian | Yep, DEP goes off for a few games >_> |
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| 05:30.31 | AbsoRayne | UGH |
| 05:30.37 | AbsoRayne | Another wipe of Illidan wipes |
| 05:30.43 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 05:30.46 | Xuerian | Wipes on the mind? |
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| 05:37.59 | Tem | AbsoRayne, I should have eliminated you and your mal-formed brethren... |
| 05:38.53 | AbsoRayne | Tem, The time has come, the moment is at hand! |
| 05:39.15 | Tem | YOU ARE NOT PREPARED |
| 05:39.39 | Tem | the only thing worse is the Kael speach when you're still learning him |
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| 06:13.02 | Tekkub | s/PREPA/REPAI/ |
| 06:17.16 | krka | it's funny because it's a search&replace! |
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| 06:21.33 | MentalPower | has the Sprint vs. Cogent spat affected any of you? |
| 06:21.56 | Tekkub | no |
| 06:21.58 | Tekkub | who? |
| 06:21.59 | Tekkub | what? |
| 06:22.07 | Tekkub | anywho, I need a name for a pally seal addon |
| 06:23.52 | NightHawkTheSane | SealClub |
| 06:24.03 | NightHawkTheSane | SealClubber! |
| 06:25.42 | Tekkub | that's what I was thinking |
| 06:25.48 | Tekkub | couldn't come up with anything better |
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| 06:25.50 | NightHawkTheSane | see, great minds, imo. |
| 06:28.20 | Lothaer | hey are there any other mods like ItemSync that work with 3.0? |
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| 07:13.33 | Dewin | hmm |
| 07:13.43 | Dewin | My warlock is over the 150% max rested XP limit |
| 07:14.02 | Dewin | 18421/33900 +85300 |
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| 07:32.40 | Wobin | hm, I think Fallout3 suffers somewhat from the Obvlion Effect |
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| 07:35.18 | durcyn | RPGs aren't meant to be first person =( |
| 07:35.48 | Wobin | well you can play it in 3rd |
| 07:36.02 | durcyn | 's not the point. turn-based went out the window |
| 07:36.58 | Wobin | V.A.T.S tries to simulate it somewhat |
| 07:37.19 | Wobin | but it's really just combat queueing |
| 07:38.40 | Mike-N-Go | I have a code snippet http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100540 I am trying to make a recursive function that returns a string when it ends. For some reason it is not working, when I call it in my code "adString,index = pickEntry(t)" where t is a table like "t = {{"s","d",},{"a","b",},} " adString is nil in the code that I called. I have been trying to get this to work for quite some time, yet to no avail. |
| 07:39.27 | Mike-N-Go | My question: Do you see anything incorrect in my snippet? |
| 07:40.29 | Wobin | try... |
| 07:40.36 | Wobin | line 25 |
| 07:40.38 | Wobin | return pickEntry(tt,index) |
| 07:41.06 | Wobin | can't have it recurse if it doesn't give anything back =) |
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| 07:42.31 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, so to have a function call itself yah need to do 'return myfunc()'? |
| 07:42.38 | Wobin | well no |
| 07:42.52 | Wobin | but if you don't return anything, the chain is terminated when it finishes that call |
| 07:42.57 | Wobin | and doesn't return anything to the calling chain |
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| 07:43.21 | Wobin | in a recursive function, the function travels down the recurse chain, then travels back up to return the final result |
| 07:43.51 | Wobin | if you don't pass back the result, it can't give it to you at the end |
| 07:43.58 | Mike-N-Go | I thought calling itself with how I did it was how to use recursive functions? |
| 07:44.46 | Wobin | perhaps you should read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion_(computer_science) |
| 07:45.52 | Wobin | If you don't understand the underlying mechanism of recursive functions, you won't be able to just plug values into a template easily |
| 07:46.22 | Mike-N-Go | Either that, or it is 3 in the morning where I am. |
| 07:47.18 | Wobin | recursive functions are bad enough in the light of day |
| 07:47.24 | Lonny`afk | Mike-N-Go: You don't have to return the function, but you do have to return a value to maintain a state where it can stop somewhere in the function |
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| 07:48.07 | Wobin | well he does |
| 07:48.13 | Wobin | just not in that branch of the if statement |
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| 07:50.12 | Mike-N-Go | I think I understand why line 25 needs to be how it is. |
| 07:51.49 | Mike-N-Go | Another question, for that snippet, with the change on line 25, did I do everything else well? |
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| 07:53.53 | Wobin | You probably don't need to initialise tt on line 12 |
| 07:54.05 | Wobin | That's just unnecessarily generating a new table |
| 07:55.06 | Wobin | also, are you sure that your tables will only ever contain strings? |
| 07:55.23 | Wobin | (and tables) |
| 07:56.41 | Mike-N-Go | The premise is a mod where users create tables with string values in it, these strings are then randomly selected and queued to a chat channel. |
| 07:57.20 | Mike-N-Go | The instructions for the input table is to use only tables and strings (or functions that return strings). |
| 07:57.30 | Wobin | good enough |
| 07:58.01 | Mike-N-Go | Otherwise they would likely get an error. |
| 07:59.44 | Mike-N-Go | I had the idea earlier today, "Why limit it to two layers of tables? I can make it dynamic with a recursive function!" |
| 08:00.45 | Wobin | those are the worst kind of ideas =P |
| 08:01.01 | Wobin | The real question is, "Why would people use layered tables?" |
| 08:01.06 | Mike-N-Go | Explain? Or are you being scarsistic? |
| 08:01.18 | Mike-N-Go | For the mod, a button is pressed. |
| 08:01.40 | Mike-N-Go | Then the function in the linked script choses an entry, randomly. |
| 08:01.41 | Wobin | where are the layered tables coming from? |
| 08:02.12 | Mike-N-Go | Then the string is sent to chat. |
| 08:02.33 | Mike-N-Go | The addon is focused to sending 'ads' to the trade channel. |
| 08:02.36 | Wobin | but where are the layered tables coming from? |
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| 08:02.52 | Mike-N-Go | The user inputs them in the .lua file; hardcoded =] |
| 08:02.59 | Wobin | so why layered? |
| 08:03.04 | Wobin | if it's completely random the pick |
| 08:03.12 | Wobin | what's the difference between a flat table and a layered one? |
| 08:03.17 | Mike-N-Go | To optimize the random selection. |
| 08:03.24 | Mike-N-Go | Groupings of ads. |
| 08:03.40 | Wobin | ah |
| 08:03.48 | Wobin | well.. |
| 08:03.51 | Mike-N-Go | To try not to pick the same 'type' of ads in a row. |
| 08:04.01 | Wobin | that's not going to work though |
| 08:04.17 | Wobin | You have, in fact, more chance to get the same type of ad |
| 08:04.45 | Wobin | eg, you have three types of ads, each with 5 versions |
| 08:04.54 | Wobin | well |
| 08:04.58 | Wobin | really, the chances don't change =) |
| 08:05.29 | Wobin | You have a 1/3 chance of getting a particular type of ad |
| 08:05.34 | Wobin | no matter how you work it |
| 08:05.57 | Mike-N-Go | Did you think about different numbers of ads per table? |
| 08:06.12 | Wobin | Then you have more chance to get the type of ad |
| 08:06.18 | Wobin | say 3 groups of ads |
| 08:06.22 | Wobin | 3,10, 20 |
| 08:06.30 | Wobin | You have a 1/3 chance of getting group A |
| 08:06.35 | Wobin | every time |
| 08:07.01 | Wobin | but if it were flat, you'd only have a 1/11 chance of getting group A |
| 08:07.31 | Mike-N-Go | IE: t = {{1,2,3,},{1,2,3,4,5,6},{{1,2,3,4,},{1},}}? |
| 08:07.45 | Wobin | You have a 1/4 chance of group 4 |
| 08:07.53 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 08:08.01 | Mike-N-Go | Do you see where I am going here? |
| 08:08.01 | Wobin | no that's right |
| 08:08.15 | Wobin | no, that's actually 1/6 |
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| 08:08.29 | Mike-N-Go | I am actually trying to do what you said =] |
| 08:08.33 | Wobin | but a 1/3 chance of group 1 |
| 08:08.36 | Wobin | and 2 |
| 08:08.53 | Wobin | It's really rather arbitary |
| 08:08.56 | Wobin | and not worth it imo |
| 08:09.23 | Wobin | just trust in the RNG =) |
| 08:09.26 | Wobin | and blame it =) |
| 08:10.13 | Mike-N-Go | I want it to have a 1 in nth chance to pick each entry, recurring. |
| 08:10.25 | Wobin | one in what 'nth'? |
| 08:10.45 | Mike-N-Go | nth, as in the amount of elements in the table. |
| 08:10.57 | Wobin | total elements? |
| 08:11.11 | Wobin | so... in the example above 1/14? |
| 08:11.12 | Mike-N-Go | The elements at the current index |
| 08:11.23 | Mike-N-Go | And then the entries inside that. |
| 08:11.33 | Mike-N-Go | elements inside, rather. |
| 08:12.24 | Wobin | alright then =) Your function should work fine then |
| 08:13.46 | Mike-N-Go | My function is to minimize the likelkyness the RNG would pick the same like ads in a row; remember, one in the total elements of the current indexes chance? |
| 08:13.57 | Mike-N-Go | Are you following me or are you just looking for an out =P? |
| 08:14.03 | Wobin | no |
| 08:14.11 | Wobin | I'm following, but you're not quite right |
| 08:14.21 | Mike-N-Go | I am not statistiscision. |
| 08:14.30 | Mike-N-Go | Enlighten? |
| 08:14.31 | Wobin | it won't minimise the chance to pick the same like ads in a row |
| 08:14.54 | Wobin | that depends on how the tables are balanced |
| 08:15.11 | Wobin | and that's not a function of the recursive function |
| 08:15.15 | Wobin | that's a function of the user |
| 08:15.26 | Mike-N-Go | The idea is for it to scale. |
| 08:15.32 | Wobin | indeed, and it will do that |
| 08:15.54 | Mike-N-Go | A user could put in thousands of strings if they wanted to =] |
| 08:15.55 | Wobin | I'm just saying, yes, your methodology to obtain groupings of ads will work |
| 08:16.17 | Wobin | but your function will not give a higher chance of repeated same type ads |
| 08:16.26 | Wobin | that will depend on how the tables are arrayed by the user |
| 08:17.16 | Mike-N-Go | Currently, I am the only user. So I am designing my mod around that. |
| 08:17.32 | Wobin | however, there will always be groups of ads that will have more chance of showing up than any other |
| 08:17.37 | Wobin | unless you balance the tables completely |
| 08:17.44 | Wobin | and then they all have an equal chance |
| 08:17.54 | Mike-N-Go | That is another point. |
| 08:18.01 | Wobin | at which point, you might as well have a flat table =P |
| 08:18.15 | Wobin | You can use your mechanism to -reduce- the chance that certain ads will show, yes |
| 08:18.19 | Mike-N-Go | If a user wants some ads to show up more often, then they can wonk the ballance of the table. |
| 08:18.39 | Wobin | but not to reduce the chance of -any- ad type being shown twice |
| 08:18.53 | Mike-N-Go | Not twice |
| 08:18.59 | Wobin | in a row |
| 08:19.00 | Mike-N-Go | In frequent secession. |
| 08:19.14 | Wobin | You have a random number generator in your code =P |
| 08:19.18 | Wobin | You can't prevent that =) |
| 08:19.32 | Wobin | The only way to do so is to have a temporary blacklist |
| 08:19.37 | Mike-N-Go | Well, you have not seen my table to reselect if the msg has been shown within last x times =P |
| 08:19.47 | Wobin | yes =P |
| 08:20.01 | Mike-N-Go | What are you agreeing to? |
| 08:20.12 | Wobin | that you need an external mechanism to achieve what you are after |
| 08:20.18 | Wobin | your blacklist |
| 08:20.29 | Mike-N-Go | Unless I am the end user, I cannot account for their variables. |
| 08:20.31 | Wobin | your random selector function alone will not guarantee what you're after |
| 08:21.10 | Wobin | anyway we're arguing about agreeing with one another =P |
| 08:21.20 | Mike-N-Go | What are the odds of the same element to be picked several times in a row with a few dozen elements in the table? |
| 08:21.21 | Wobin | You have a blacklist, and it will make your system work |
| 08:21.46 | Wobin | the same odds, as it was chosen in the first place |
| 08:21.58 | Wobin | without a reducing pool |
| 08:22.06 | Mike-N-Go | I do not have a backlist.. yet 9.9 |
| 08:22.22 | Wobin | "Mike-N-Go> Well, you have not seen my table to reselect if the msg has been shown within last x times =P" ? |
| 08:22.37 | Wobin | blacklist --^ ? |
| 08:22.49 | Mike-N-Go | I am yet to implement it. |
| 08:23.00 | Wobin | also, it won't help with "type" of ad =( |
| 08:23.08 | Mike-N-Go | Huh? |
| 08:23.16 | Wobin | if you have your categories in types |
| 08:23.21 | Wobin | like "JC" and "LW" |
| 08:23.36 | Wobin | (types laid out by yourself, that is, not in the code) |
| 08:23.56 | Wobin | having a blacklist comparing the text to previous choices won't prevent another ad of the same type being displayed |
| 08:24.10 | Wobin | it'll only prevent -that- ad from being displayed |
| 08:24.22 | Wobin | cause it can't compare on arbitary type |
| 08:25.34 | Mike-N-Go | The snippet will also save the index numbers to the string. |
| 08:26.01 | Wobin | You'll have to compare them though, minus the last index |
| 08:26.06 | Wobin | to catch the same category |
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| 08:26.32 | Mike-N-Go | And the table construction has implied indexes. |
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| 08:28.49 | Mike-N-Go | The delay to send the ads to the trade channel is about 5 minutes. |
| 08:28.54 | Mike-N-Go | So that helps. |
| 08:29.59 | Fisker- | Ping statistics for 72.14.207.99: |
| 08:29.59 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.00 | Fisker- | Seems to be good! |
| 08:30.09 | Mike-N-Go | My addon is already around 1000 lines 9.9 |
| 08:30.25 | Fisker- | only 9k ping in wow :3 |
| 08:31.51 | Mike-N-Go | Wobin and others: Thanks for the chat. |
| 08:31.51 | Mike-N-Go | Good night. |
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| 10:37.00 | Adys | interesting |
| 10:37.34 | Adys | have you always been able to get a player name with a GUID from another server (same battlegroup) ? |
| 10:41.31 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:41.42 | Arrowmaster | guids are linked to battlegroup |
| 10:44.44 | Adys | yeah but I mean |
| 10:44.53 | Adys | pre 3.0, if you had a guid from a battlegroup |
| 10:45.05 | Adys | you were able, from anywhere in the world, to request the name of that player? |
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| 11:14.11 | Arrowmaster | how are you requesting the name with just a guid? |
| 11:14.23 | Arrowmaster | oh tooltip |
| 11:14.31 | Arrowmaster | yeah that probably worked pre 3.0 |
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| 13:26.13 | mikma | http://www.koikkari.com/images/gal01.jpg omnomnom |
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| 13:29.38 | mikma | any wowi admins awake? |
| 13:31.51 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 13:31.59 | mikma | damn :( |
| 13:32.54 | jnwhiteh | what do you want |
| 13:32.56 | mikma | so if i want to propose adding a category in http://wowinterface.com/downloads/latest.php, where would i have to contact? |
| 13:34.15 | jnwhiteh | you would post on the website in the website feedback forum |
| 13:34.20 | jnwhiteh | then any of us can read it when we're around |
| 13:34.23 | jnwhiteh | what category? |
| 13:34.29 | mikma | addon category |
| 13:34.49 | mikma | like, is it an "auction" addon, or "compilation", or ... |
| 13:35.06 | jnwhiteh | oh you mean a field |
| 13:35.07 | jnwhiteh | yeah, post |
| 13:35.12 | jnwhiteh | makes sense |
| 13:35.14 | mikma | will do, thanks hairy |
| 13:38.56 | Josh_Borke | ~lart jnwhiteh |
| 13:38.56 | purl | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at jnwhiteh |
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| 13:47.26 | mikma | lol this post sucks, but... http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=107889#post107889 |
| 13:48.05 | mikma | (in case someone wonders about Afold's Pineapple name, see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZQw6KuNKqs |
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| 13:51.50 | zenzio | hai peppy! |
| 13:51.59 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzelezz! *hug* |
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| 13:55.26 | Lopeppeppy | *hummy hum* I have a difficult sheeple first thing this morning, should be fun. AFK to clear my desk and stuffs! :) |
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| 13:59.22 | Wobin | a difficult what? |
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| 14:16.37 | Wobin | http://www.lilformers.com/index.php/2007/03/13/lil-formers-37-devastator/ |
| 14:16.39 | Wobin | ^^ |
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| 14:19.26 | malreth_ | RAWR! |
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| 14:21.33 | Shirik|Ecole | Nechckn: ping |
| 14:23.30 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin: Sheeple = sheep + people. My tech support side of the job. |
| 14:23.38 | Lopeppeppy | malreth: RAWR! *giggle* |
| 14:23.50 | Thrae | Lopeppeppy: TSC? |
| 14:24.19 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a web development chicka, Thrae. Part of that is supporting them once they have their sites built, training, help tickets, etc. |
| 14:24.33 | malreth | tell them to fix their own shit |
| 14:24.42 | malreth | break it down with a fresh funky beat |
| 14:24.47 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, and then I don't get paid? knothx |
| 14:24.57 | malreth | you get paid for your beats |
| 14:25.00 | malreth | sick beats |
| 14:25.02 | Thrae | No, I mean http://www.techcomedy.com/, also known as TSC. They use "sheeple" a lot there. |
| 14:25.10 | Lopeppeppy | That's my other job, malreth. *grin* |
| 14:25.18 | malreth | awwww yeaaaaah |
| 14:25.21 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. Thrae, never heard of it, honestly! That's awesome. |
| 14:25.43 | Thrae | Also used at http://notalwaysright.com/. |
| 14:26.09 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm. I'm at least familiar with that site, but not before I started using sheeple. |
| 14:26.17 | Lopeppeppy | Great abused psychotic minds think alike. |
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| 14:26.35 | Thrae | http://notalwaysright.com/must-be-one-of-them-transdimensional-cameras/1332/print/ |
| 14:26.49 | malreth | LOL... these are confidential sessions... no photography allowed... oops: http://www.twitpic.com/jq99 |
| 14:27.32 | Wobin | ? |
| 14:27.55 | malreth | iphone tech talk |
| 14:28.01 | Lopeppeppy | malreth! Bad monkey |
| 14:28.13 | malreth | they didn't tell me until noooowwwwww.... |
| 14:28.30 | Lopeppeppy | Thrae, that one is stellar. |
| 14:28.35 | Wobin | They said that you can't take photography... in an iphone conference? |
| 14:28.42 | Wobin | Are they -asking- for trouble? =P |
| 14:29.06 | malreth | ok... the exact verbiage is "please refrain from filming or taking pictures" |
| 14:29.38 | malreth | so... i guess that only makes me an ass for taking pics... |
| 14:29.43 | malreth | i'm ok with that |
| 14:30.48 | Lopeppeppy | Silly monkey |
| 14:31.23 | malreth | oh well... gonna conserve battery life... later |
| 14:31.34 | Shirik|Ecole | Lopeppeppy: Are you being good?! |
| 14:31.55 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik. No way. Ever. |
| 14:32.01 | Thrae | Most modern cell phones come with cameras nowadays anyway. The iPhone definately is not unique in that department, so it's just standard procedure for an epidemic pre-iPhone. |
| 14:32.12 | Wobin | http://www.lilformers.com/index.php/2008/08/11/lil-formers-109-where-in-the-world-is/ |
| 14:32.45 | Thrae | However, since you're paying so much for the iPhone itself and the inflated service charges, I guess you would want to use as much as its features as possible as often as possible. |
| 14:35.44 | Shirik|Ecole | Lopeppeppy: I mean with regards to the fact that it's past nov 1 |
| 14:37.04 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Of course! |
| 14:37.09 | Lopeppeppy | Ahem. |
| 14:37.12 | Lopeppeppy | I knew that. |
| 14:37.45 | Lopeppeppy | No caffeine all weekend, I actually started on Halloween. Just ginger ale and vitamin sticks for my water. |
| 14:37.57 | Wobin | huh |
| 14:38.04 | Shirik|Ecole | :) |
| 14:38.07 | Wobin | I can't believe I just wrote a script in lua for work =) |
| 14:38.11 | Thrae | Lopeppeppy: Right, and you're just waking up now. |
| 14:38.15 | Wobin | win |
| 14:38.19 | Wobin | I'll do this more often |
| 14:38.32 | Wobin | sure as hell beats writing a .net project to do the same =P |
| 14:38.32 | Lopeppeppy | No Thrae, I've had an evil client already this morning, I've been up since 6 to be ready! |
| 14:38.46 | Lopeppeppy | I've had soem headaches, but overall, it's not all that hard. How are you doing with it, Shirik? |
| 14:39.09 | Thrae | Wobin: I've done that before...but they didn't like it since it wasn't in Visual Basic like IT uses. |
| 14:39.10 | Shirik|Ecole | norgs: ping |
| 14:39.17 | Wobin | yeah, that's my only issue |
| 14:39.34 | Wobin | If I start rewriting all the vbscripts into lua, other people won't be able to understand |
| 14:39.43 | Wobin | goddamn vbscript |
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| 14:40.43 | Wobin | although one other developer is writing scripts in Ruby |
| 14:40.50 | Wobin | so there's some leeway |
| 14:41.12 | krka | lol at the first one @ http://notalwaysright.com/ |
| 14:41.41 | Thrae | I hear Ruby got Railroaded. |
| 14:42.21 | Wobin | yeah somewhat =) |
| 14:42.43 | Wobin | but for simple db manipulations, it's easier to script it than write a damn app |
| 14:43.05 | Thrae | But think of the speedz gained by all that Microsoft optimizations |
| 14:43.10 | Wobin | oh yeah |
| 14:43.12 | Wobin | uberfast |
| 14:43.15 | Wobin | sorry |
| 14:43.38 | Thrae | Were you here yesterday when I couldn't install new nVidia drivers because of WoWAceUpdater and .NET 2.0? |
| 14:43.59 | Wobin | ... |
| 14:44.01 | Wobin | scary |
| 14:44.10 | Wobin | Anyway |
| 14:44.12 | Wobin | I'd better get to bed |
| 14:44.17 | Wobin | Half day tomorrow! |
| 14:44.22 | Wobin | (yay Melbourne Cup) |
| 14:44.31 | Thrae | Apparently my .NET 2.0 installation still has WoWAceUpdater registered after I uninstalled it, and now my Downloads folder is tied to a non-existant .application Deployment. So any installer that uses .NET 2.0 that tries to install FROM that directory gets borked. |
| 14:44.47 | Wobin | way to "just work" =P |
| 14:45.00 | cbreak | should have used java... :) |
| 14:45.20 | Thrae | It's a freakin' installer for video card drivers. |
| 14:45.24 | Wobin | pft, I had an issue with one of those web apps for java |
| 14:45.31 | Wobin | well, web installers |
| 14:45.42 | Wobin | it hung halfway through |
| 14:45.43 | Thrae | It doesn't even download anything. |
| 14:45.48 | Wobin | then wouldn't restart at all |
| 14:45.54 | Wobin | until I reinstalled java =P |
| 14:46.17 | Wobin | anyway |
| 14:46.18 | Wobin | bedtime |
| 14:46.35 | Lopeppeppy | Thrae, that's crazytalk. *shivers* |
| 14:46.50 | cbreak | wws works fine to me. and since that single app works for me, everything must work! (Science ftw!) :) |
| 14:47.09 | cbreak | (for java webstart that is) |
| 14:48.46 | Nechckn | Shirik|Ecole you rang? |
| 14:49.27 | Shirik|Ecole | nm |
| 14:50.19 | Nechckn | ./clear item ShirikPing |
| 14:50.24 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort Nechckn |
| 14:50.25 | purl | There, there, Nechckn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:50.27 | Nechckn | gotcha ;-) |
| 14:50.48 | Nechckn | Yeah, right... purl. Hussie! |
| 14:51.36 | Nechckn | Pfft... she is a dirty girl, don't soil yourself. |
| 14:51.43 | Lopeppeppy | But I love her so! |
| 14:52.07 | Nechckn | That's the problem, *everyone* loves her |
| 14:52.17 | Lopeppeppy | You're just jealous. |
| 14:52.19 | Nechckn | muahahhahaa and stuff |
| 14:54.18 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 14:54.36 | Nechckn | See! |
| 14:54.57 | |pez| | Damnit, my pets prowl keeps enabling itself. |
| 14:58.01 | zenzio | |pez|: think it's a known hunter pet issue |
| 14:59.39 | Lopeppeppy | Cats like to hide? |
| 15:00.40 | zenzio | I think I heard something about all auto-cast abilities not wanting to rememebr their state |
| 15:01.31 | Lopeppeppy | ooh, painful. |
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| 15:27.38 | Shirik|Ecole | Nechckn: ping |
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| 15:57.26 | Wikwocket | Anyone use the mod HealPoints? Looks interesting |
| 15:57.46 | Lopeppeppy | What lovely things does it do, Wikwocket? |
| 15:58.26 | Wikwocket | It is like TankPoints for healers, supposedly |
| 15:58.38 | norgs | Shirik|Ghost: Pong? |
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| 15:58.51 | Wikwocket | It says it offers a throughput evaluation and an endurance evaluation, which is what's intriguing to me |
| 15:59.05 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. I just use RatingBuster all around. Might be interesting to see it. |
| 15:59.28 | Wikwocket | Oh RatingBuster is of course vital. I used to use Pawn in addition, but |
| 15:59.38 | Wikwocket | Ihaven't reconffigured it after the spell power changes |
| 16:00.39 | Lopeppeppy | True. I need to get my arse out on my paladin and get him back into the real world. |
| 16:01.29 | norgs | Actually, while I'm here waiting for Shirik|Ghost to get back, does anyone currently present know much about the new SecureHandlers? |
| 16:01.51 | norgs | I have some code that I'm trying to get working: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100559 |
| 16:02.16 | norgs | Prolly doing it all completely wrong though |
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| 16:02.52 | Shirik|Ghost | norgs: Website. Ow. Pain. |
| 16:03.01 | AbsoRayne | hrm |
| 16:03.41 | Lopeppeppy | norgs, did you see the new sticky FAQ that alestane made a few weeks ago? I hear it's very pretty, although it's more than I can understand well. |
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| 16:03.47 | Lopeppeppy | ~hug Shirik |
| 16:03.48 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Shirik and suddenly hugs Shirik tightly |
| 16:03.56 | Wikwocket | Now if only KC_Items would be updated :) |
| 16:04.20 | norgs | Lopeppeppy: nope... i'll see if i can find it |
| 16:04.36 | Lopeppeppy | norgs, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11162847431&sid=1 |
| 16:06.16 | cbreak | Addon API documentation from blizzard is extremely crappy :/ |
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| 16:06.36 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: Not having anymore issues are you? |
| 16:07.53 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, hmm, that was way back on Friday, AbsoRayne, what was I having problems with again? |
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| 16:08.20 | AbsoRayne | I dont know? Thats why im asking :P |
| 16:09.09 | Lopeppeppy | I think today is an absolutely wonderful day, AbsoRayne, and all of my troubles are in the past. Yes. That's what it's about. |
| 16:09.28 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: Sounds awesome then. :) |
| 16:09.33 | Wikwocket | Okay, HealPoints is pretty slick |
| 16:09.44 | AbsoRayne | Also, someone respond to this for me because im not sure how to myself: http://hdimage.org/images/k35mtku6ldte7kpsrc2_1225690337158.jpg |
| 16:09.50 | Wikwocket | Will have to look at more gear to really tell if it's in sync with my weightings of course |
| 16:10.25 | Lopeppeppy | Nice, AbsoRayne. When Calvin grows up... I wonder if Christopher Robin had that problem too? |
| 16:12.23 | Wikwocket | That comic is a little off and is more so when you realize who the girl is |
| 16:12.57 | Gnarfoz | I don't get it at all |
| 16:13.02 | Gnarfoz | and who's the girl |
| 16:13.03 | Lopeppeppy | Who, Wikwocket? |
| 16:13.24 | Wikwocket | Susie |
| 16:13.32 | Lopeppeppy | Susie? |
| 16:13.51 | Wikwocket | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/Susie_Derkins.png |
| 16:13.55 | cbreak | ~seen susie |
| 16:13.57 | purl | i haven't seen 'susie', cbreak |
| 16:14.50 | AbsoRayne | Im seeing alot of mixed reviews for Quantum of Solace...and that scares me :( |
| 16:14.55 | Gnarfoz | grats for linking the picture instead of the page ;D |
| 16:15.10 | Gnarfoz | now I still don't know why that strip is supposed to make sense ^^ |
| 16:15.39 | Wikwocket | Susie is at this link, but the strip won't make sense unless you've read a lot of Calvin and Hobbes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_characters_in_Calvin_and_Hobbes#Susie_Derkins |
| 16:15.49 | Gnarfoz | maybe it has to do with not having... yeah |
| 16:15.52 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, Susie. *laugh* Yup. That's twisted. |
| 16:15.56 | Gnarfoz | read much Calvin and Hobbes |
| 16:16.23 | Wikwocket | In other news, go read a lot of Calvin and Hobbes, it's awesome |
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| 16:19.38 | Wikwocket | I think I am being stalked by a frozen shade |
| 16:20.37 | AbsoRayne | you know what I hate? |
| 16:20.55 | Wikwocket | bread crumbs in the butter? |
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| 16:21.17 | AbsoRayne | When you apply for a job, call back to see if theres any chance, keep calling, they tell you its been filled. 2 days later in the paper, an ad for the same job |
| 16:21.28 | AbsoRayne | you call them and get a 'still looking' |
| 16:21.32 | sacarasc | just means you failed |
| 16:21.33 | sacarasc | hard |
| 16:21.38 | Zxcvb | is there a decent autodecliner that works with 3.0.x? |
| 16:21.54 | cbreak | isn't there an UI option for that? |
| 16:22.16 | Zxcvb | not that I can see |
| 16:22.32 | Zxcvb | something to automatically decline guild invites, duels, and such |
| 16:22.37 | AbsoRayne | sacarasc: Thanks, murder what little confidence I have left for getting a job with 2 professional trades. |
| 16:22.43 | AbsoRayne | I really needed that. |
| 16:22.51 | Zxcvb | there is /dnd, but that turns off all channnels, not merely invites |
| 16:24.02 | cbreak | I was sure there was an option to automatically decline trades and invites |
| 16:24.29 | cbreak | as for guild invites, thought about joining one? :) Maybe form one for the guild bank |
| 16:24.40 | Wikwocket | There is block trades |
| 16:24.44 | Wikwocket | I am looking at it now :) |
| 16:25.36 | Lopeppeppy | AbsoRayne, that means they're not a good company to work for, if they tell you "filled" and then keep searching. Honesty is kind of important in HR. |
| 16:26.28 | Lopeppeppy | I know that's like sour grapes comfort, but seriously, if they can't even tell you you didn't fit, they have to lie... not so goodness. *hugs* |
| 16:26.48 | AbsoRayne | I love how I went to school, got my CDL-A, and then I go to apply for these companies and they laugh at me, since im not 25. |
| 16:27.05 | AbsoRayne | So I spent 4000$ to get something I cant use for 4 years. cool. |
| 16:27.28 | Lukian | Zxcvb, automaton *might* work |
| 16:27.29 | Lopeppeppy | You have to be 25 to use that certificate thing? Why? |
| 16:27.39 | Shirik|Ghost | Wtf is with Nov. 4 |
| 16:27.40 | Shirik|Ghost | seriously |
| 16:27.46 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik... election day love. |
| 16:27.48 | Shirik|Ecole | everything happens on Nov. 4 |
| 16:27.51 | Shirik|Ecole | EVERYTHING |
| 16:27.56 | AbsoRayne | I cant get it until 21, but insurance companies laugh at the fact that youre not over 25, and wont allow companies to hire you. |
| 16:27.56 | Gnarfoz | everything like |
| 16:27.57 | Shirik|Ecole | 1) Election day (most obvious) |
| 16:28.08 | Shirik|Ecole | 2) Report due to EcoCAR team |
| 16:28.11 | Lopeppeppy | Oh that's just rejected, AbsoRayne. |
| 16:28.18 | Shirik|Ecole | 3) Test in Computer Architecture |
| 16:28.25 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: Its every company./ |
| 16:28.27 | Shirik|Ecole | 4) First iteration and tech spike due for Senior Design class |
| 16:28.31 | Zxcvb | even worse is when they require 20 years of .net experience |
| 16:28.34 | Shirik|Ecole | 5) Last day to withdraw/audit classes |
| 16:28.36 | AbsoRayne | Schneider, US Express, none of them |
| 16:28.40 | Shirik|Ecole | Did I miss anything? |
| 16:28.50 | Shirik|Ecole | 6) WoW free character transfers end |
| 16:29.15 | Shirik|Ecole | tomorrow will be day of hell |
| 16:29.25 | cbreak | who's stupid idea was it to have an election day on a work day? |
| 16:29.43 | cbreak | here in switzerland they are all on sundays. (But I think many people just vote by mail) |
| 16:30.23 | Lopeppeppy | That seems dumb, to have a certificate that you can get at 21, that insurance companies won't honor.... |
| 16:30.46 | Lopeppeppy | cbreak, separation of church and state. It can't be on a Sunday, it will interere with worship. |
| 16:31.07 | cbreak | oh... |
| 16:31.20 | cbreak | maybe saturday then |
| 16:31.33 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: huh that makes no sense? |
| 16:31.40 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: clearly all of those need to be added to wikipedia's entry for nov 4, 2008 |
| 16:31.41 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: you mean the US isn't secular? |
| 16:31.51 | Lopeppeppy | Gnarfoz. Really. |
| 16:32.05 | Gnarfoz | I have no clue, I live in a secular country |
| 16:32.10 | nudave | Saturday is a holy day for Jewish religion I think |
| 16:32.13 | Gnarfoz | where it's no problem to have elections on sunday :p |
| 16:32.17 | Zxcvb | in many states, atheists can't even serve on a jury, though it isn't enforced |
| 16:32.27 | Wikwocket | Election day is always the first Tuesday of November, unless it would be Nov 1. Not sure why. |
| 16:32.34 | Lopeppeppy | They do it on a workday so that no religions are infringed upon, and it's a civic duty so you can't be penalized for being late to work/leaving early, etc. |
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| 16:33.05 | cbreak | penalized like missing a test? :/ |
| 16:33.24 | Gnarfoz | ...right |
| 16:33.38 | Gnarfoz | public outcry from all christians because elections are on a sunday |
| 16:33.39 | cbreak | ah well, there's still voting by mail |
| 16:33.42 | Gnarfoz | bring it on! :D |
| 16:33.44 | cbreak | if the US has that |
| 16:34.05 | cbreak | maybe not, since they use those voting computer things |
| 16:34.15 | Wikwocket | There is early voting and absentee ballots, there are many ways to vote |
| 16:34.46 | Gnarfoz | I hope they continue the path they're on and outlaw voting computers here |
| 16:34.57 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, that would be nice. |
| 16:35.26 | cbreak | I think there were tests of online voting in some parts of switzerland |
| 16:35.30 | cbreak | not sure how they went though |
| 16:35.48 | cbreak | but usually we just use paper where we write on what we want. |
| 16:36.01 | Lopeppeppy | online voting for those overseas has been reported to go..... poorly. |
| 16:36.20 | Zxcvb | the voting machines commonly used in the US often won't let you vote for the canidate closest to the top |
| 16:37.00 | Zxcvb | at least the purely electronic ones with touchscreens, the scantron style ones work nicely |
| 16:37.50 | Lopeppeppy | There have been reports of people taking advantage of how the electronic ones process, telling people that if they vote "whole ticket" they have to go back and revote for their presidential candidate, which actually ERASES their presidential vote... so sly. |
| 16:38.00 | Shirik|Ecole | cbreak: By being in school, you are required by law to be allowed to fill out an absentee ballot |
| 16:38.30 | Zxcvb | I don't know why they can't make touchscreens for voting machines that don't require recalibration all the time, both nintendo and handspring (palm III clone) have done so |
| 16:38.39 | cbreak | that's convenient I guess :) |
| 16:39.13 | Lopeppeppy | Students and military personnel are guaranteed the chance to vote through the various absentee and mail in votes, registering where they are going to school/stationed, etc. |
| 16:39.14 | cbreak | or they could just use buttons |
| 16:39.37 | Zxcvb | cbreak: but then they wouldn't make as much profit |
| 16:39.39 | cbreak | (or even better, pen and paper) |
| 16:40.06 | Zxcvb | cbreak: hint, the more expensive, sophisticated and higher resolution the touchscreen the more it has calibration issues |
| 16:40.26 | Gnarfoz | hint: touchscreens in voting machines = useless AND a bad idea. |
| 16:40.33 | Lopeppeppy | Very bad idea. |
| 16:40.38 | cbreak | that's why I would use buttons |
| 16:40.43 | cbreak | and print the result on paper |
| 16:40.48 | cbreak | (well, that has other reasons) |
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| 16:44.36 | Kaso | ~ugg |
| 16:44.37 | Zxcvb | believe it or not, there is no right to vote for president in the US |
| 16:44.38 | Kaso | ~ugt |
| 16:44.39 | purl | it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 16:45.54 | Kaso | And diabold et al are really a comedy of errors when it comes to their machines |
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| 16:46.05 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, buys. |
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| 16:56.18 | Sixen | How long does Polymorph lastin PVP? |
| 16:57.03 | Wikwocket | 10 seconds? Not positive |
| 16:57.16 | Sixen | Hrm.. How long does it take to open a chest? |
| 16:57.51 | Kaso | # Polymorph will never last longer than 10 seconds. |
| 16:57.51 | Kaso | # Polymorph is subject to diminishing returns. Duration displayed on the debuff is capped at 10 seconds on the first cast, then 5 and 3 after subsequent casts. After the 4th cast, the target is immune. After 15 seconds of freedom from Polymorph, diminishing returns reset back to 10 seconds. Polymorph is not known to share its diminishing returns with any other crowd control ability. |
| 16:57.52 | Kaso | # Polymorph has a chance of a heartbeat resist. |
| 16:58.31 | Sixen | =/ |
| 16:58.32 | Sixen | O |
| 16:58.39 | Wikwocket | kabam |
| 16:58.39 | Kaso | chests can vary in time to open i think, but most will be under 10 seconds |
| 16:58.40 | Sixen | I'm trying to do the Gurubashi Arena |
| 16:58.52 | Kaso | i think gurubashi is longer than the average hest |
| 16:58.53 | Kaso | chest |
| 16:59.01 | Sixen | Me and a 70 retadin who will eat my 70 mages lunch. |
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| 16:59.51 | Lyn | moah.. wlan with ubuntu goes on my nerves :x |
| 17:00.37 | Wikwocket | Anyone know of a good quest tooltip mod, to add to the tooltip when I mouseover a quest objective/mob? |
| 17:01.29 | Hjalte | Wikwocket: SmoothQuest (will do more than that) and Que'tip. |
| 17:01.30 | cbreak | 10 seconds?! |
| 17:01.38 | cbreak | that's a nerf to 20% |
| 17:01.54 | zenzelezz | hm? |
| 17:02.11 | zenzelezz | if you mean Polymorph, that's been like that for a long time now IIRC |
| 17:02.26 | cbreak | no. I am positive that it lasts 50 seconds as of 3.0.2 |
| 17:02.32 | cbreak | (or what ever is life) |
| 17:02.39 | zenzelezz | in PvP? |
| 17:02.43 | cbreak | no, pve |
| 17:02.50 | zenzelezz | and we're talking PvP |
| 17:02.52 | Wikwocket | Hjalte: Thanks! |
| 17:02.54 | cbreak | oh |
| 17:03.00 | cbreak | right |
| 17:03.59 | p3lim | There is a function to unpack tables, but is there a function to pack them? Or do I have to create the table manually? |
| 17:04.25 | Kaso | unpack() ...? |
| 17:04.36 | p3lim | unpack(table) |
| 17:04.43 | cbreak | you could use the table constructor |
| 17:04.44 | Kaso | oh sorry |
| 17:04.47 | Kaso | i missread |
| 17:04.59 | p3lim | cbreak: more info please? |
| 17:05.06 | cbreak | {a, b, c} |
| 17:05.11 | cbreak | {...} |
| 17:05.21 | p3lim | yeah thats what I said about doing it manually |
| 17:05.24 | cbreak | not sure if the last one works |
| 17:05.57 | Wikwocket | Aha QueTip has a WotLK version woot! http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=10177 |
| 17:06.02 | p3lim | t = {a, b, c}, would t[1], t[2], t[3] = somefunctionthatreturns3values work? |
| 17:06.11 | Kaso | pack=function(...) return {...} end |
| 17:06.13 | Kaso | sorted |
| 17:08.01 | Kaso | t = {somefunctionthatreturns3values()} would work |
| 17:08.40 | Cide | ... |
| 17:10.08 | Cide | function addToTable(tbl, startIndex, ...) for i = startIndex, select('#', ...)+startIndex-1 do tbl[i] = select(i, ...) end end |
| 17:10.09 | Cide | done |
| 17:10.17 | Kaso | is so hard to know if people are suggesting the vararg or if they're just lost for works and expressing it with ... ;P |
| 17:10.29 | Cide | addToTable(t, 1, someFunctionThatReturnsMultipleValues()) |
| 17:17.38 | Industrial | hm wonder if this exists: an addon that lets you swap to other bar numbers when you hold a modifier and ONLY THAT nothing else. |
| 17:17.50 | Industrial | means I could just use the default actionbars |
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| 17:23.10 | p3lim | Cide: function foo(...) return {...} end worked |
| 17:23.21 | Cide | creates a new table though. |
| 17:23.40 | p3lim | hm |
| 17:23.42 | Cide | that function is very unnecessary though |
| 17:23.57 | Cide | foo(<something here>) can just be replaced with {<something here>} |
| 17:24.29 | p3lim | Cide: yeah I figured that now :p |
| 17:24.44 | p3lim | the real function: |
| 17:24.59 | p3lim | local color = {UnitSelectionColor(unit)} |
| 17:25.08 | p3lim | table* not function |
| 17:27.16 | Seerah | what does UnitSelectionColor() return? I see no documentation |
| 17:27.46 | mikma | [19:27:36] UnitSelectionColor("player") => 0, 0, 0.99999779462814, 0.99999779462814 |
| 17:27.49 | mikma | this is with my druid |
| 17:28.04 | mikma | to my mind, that's blue with full alpha |
| 17:28.09 | Seerah | yes |
| 17:28.23 | mikma | most likely the bar color from unitframe |
| 17:28.38 | Seerah | are you alliance or horde, mikma? |
| 17:28.44 | mikma | alli |
| 17:28.50 | Seerah | alliance is blue... |
| 17:29.02 | p3lim | whats better? using unpack(table) or table[1], table[2], table[3] ? |
| 17:29.34 | Asuah | it looks like UnitSelectionColor is the color of the name |
| 17:29.35 | Cide | unpack |
| 17:29.52 | Asuah | like yellow for neutral units, blue for non pvp flagged units, red for hostile |
| 17:29.55 | p3lim | ok |
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| 17:31.44 | Cide | Asuah: your point? |
| 17:32.00 | Seerah | we were trying to figure out what that function did :P |
| 17:32.43 | Saryai | I was just thinking... with the new arena unitids, wouldn't it be possible to integrate opposing teams into oUF layouts? |
| 17:32.53 | Cide | ah |
| 17:32.53 | Wikwocket | 'USA' should be capitalized (unlike Lua) :P |
| 17:33.16 | Cide | soufron |
| 17:33.21 | Industrial | LUA? |
| 17:33.22 | Cide | you should turn that shit off |
| 17:33.25 | krka | Industrial: If you are referring to the programming language, you should write Lua instead of LUA ;-) |
| 17:33.39 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 17:33.51 | Wikwocket | Lua is not an acronym; USA is. |
| 17:36.06 | p3lim | Saryai: yes it would |
| 17:36.22 | Saryai | Sweet. |
| 17:36.37 | p3lim | but you'd be better off with a proper arena unitframe addon |
| 17:36.44 | Saryai | Why's that? |
| 17:37.00 | Wikwocket | There are unitIDs for opposing arena players? |
| 17:37.07 | Saryai | Yup. |
| 17:37.15 | Wikwocket | Wow, that seems exploitable |
| 17:38.01 | Saryai | Well, if you think about it, the arena unitframes before 3.0 did the same, but were a little hindered by combat and actually seeing the units |
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| 17:38.20 | Lunessa | STATION |
| 17:38.27 | Saryai | Blizzard decided to let us see that info ourselves, in effect doing the same thing with half the dirty work. |
| 17:39.10 | Wikwocket | So you can see the opposing units, and their info, right from the match start now? |
| 17:39.18 | zenzelezz | so Americans, do you only get to vote tomorrow, or does it go on for a few days? |
| 17:39.31 | Wikwocket | One day zenzelezz |
| 17:39.32 | Saryai | Yup, you can see everything is SSAF and like addons now |
| 17:40.22 | Seerah | zenzelezz: some counties (all?) had early voting for a week or so (ended on the 30th? here) in case you couldn't make it on the 4th or didn't want to fight the crowds |
| 17:40.51 | Saryai | I figure, if I'm using an arena UF, I want it to match the style of the rest of my UI (which is based on the look of P3lim's oUF layout and some really heavily customized partyframes). Don't really care about some of the extras that arena ufs give |
| 17:41.24 | Saryai | If I can get range and buff/debuff info, I'm good. |
| 17:42.18 | Saryai | There's what I wanted... |
| 17:42.23 | Saryai | for i=1, 5 do |
| 17:42.25 | Saryai | arenaUnits[i] = "arena" .. i |
| 17:42.27 | Saryai | arenaUnits[arenaUnits[i]] = true |
| 17:42.29 | Saryai | end |
| 17:43.03 | Saryai | arena1..5. No pet info, but you should be able to get target info |
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| 17:56.21 | Shirik|Ecole | they're allowed to do that, Seerah? |
| 17:56.29 | linear` | adding unitids for arena is so stupid |
| 17:56.34 | Shirik|Ecole | I would've thought that would invalidate the election |
| 17:56.42 | linear` | i can just think of so many things u could make that'd make it so advantageous |
| 17:56.58 | Seerah | how do you think the news reports have been getting all of this early election coverage stuff about who's winning? |
| 17:57.01 | Saryai | How is it unfair if everyone has access to it? |
| 17:57.11 | linear` | u could make alerts |
| 17:57.13 | linear` | for every single thing in the game |
| 17:57.16 | linear` | that would tell u waht to do |
| 17:57.18 | linear` | like incoming poly on x |
| 17:57.24 | Saryai | ...Which has been done already. |
| 17:57.27 | linear` | uh |
| 17:57.28 | linear` | no |
| 17:57.30 | Wikwocket | Information is ammunition, they say |
| 17:57.30 | linear` | thats not possible |
| 17:57.32 | linear` | without arenaids |
| 17:57.36 | Shirik|Ecole | Seerah: polls? |
| 17:57.54 | Seerah | from the early voting |
| 17:58.26 | linear` | for instance you could keep checking arena1-5target and then have it alert you when they target you so you use defensive spells and whatever else |
| 17:58.51 | linear` | or have an alert that tells u when theyre drinking..etc. |
| 17:58.56 | linear` | so many skilless things can be added |
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| 17:59.21 | cbreak | yeah... like fear... :) |
| 17:59.51 | Saryai | ...which have already all been done before 3.0. =P |
| 17:59.57 | alestane | linear`: As I understand it, the arena frames as addons were already creating them were such an advantage that Blizzard had to pick between destroying them and making them stock. |
| 18:00.16 | Saryai | Exactly alestane |
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| 18:00.43 | foxlit | Break /target in arena, done. |
| 18:00.59 | linear` | saryai: so many things werent possible before |
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| 18:01.03 | ScytheBlade1 | linear`: all of those things were already there. All this did was made existing addons simpler. |
| 18:01.08 | cbreak | that would break everything foxlit |
| 18:01.08 | ScytheBlade1 | linear`: like? |
| 18:01.18 | cbreak | how else would you target things? |
| 18:01.18 | foxlit | cbreak: no, that'd break /target in arenas |
| 18:01.19 | linear` | scytheblade1: seeing arena1-5target |
| 18:01.22 | linear` | seeing buffs/debuffs |
| 18:01.25 | foxlit | World, meet mouse. |
| 18:01.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Already had them |
| 18:01.31 | Shirik|Ecole | sure it was, linear` |
| 18:01.36 | linear` | how could you see their targets? |
| 18:01.44 | Shirik|Ecole | Conspiracy could do it |
| 18:01.52 | foxlit | mrh, you cheated |
| 18:01.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Target scanning |
| 18:02.00 | ScytheBlade1 | targettargettarget etc |
| 18:02.02 | linear` | well thats not completely reliable |
| 18:02.08 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't? |
| 18:02.10 | foxlit | No |
| 18:02.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Been working for years, fooled me |
| 18:02.12 | Saryai | Arena UFs checked against all possible units via target/focus/focustarget/partytarget scanning |
| 18:02.18 | foxlit | You have no guarantee of being able to find all 5 opponents |
| 18:02.25 | Shirik|Ecole | sure |
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| 18:02.36 | Shirik|Ecole | but in general there's a path |
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| 18:02.44 | Shirik|Ecole | RDX's HOT proved this |
| 18:02.50 | Wikwocket | Hehe new arena strategy: No one target anything!! |
| 18:02.53 | Saryai | The only things you couldn't see were when people were completely ignoring certain arena opponents, which was bad anyway |
| 18:02.54 | linear` | hot? |
| 18:02.59 | Shirik|Ecole | Higher Order Tracking |
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| 18:03.28 | Saryai | Shirik: What's that do? /curious |
| 18:03.32 | Shirik|Ecole | provided a way you can basically use names instead of unit ids, and almost always worked. When it wasn't working, it just kept the most recent available data |
| 18:03.35 | ScytheBlade1 | The only thing that the addition of arena1-arena5 unitids changed was eliminating a very very few, rare fringe cases in terms of existing inconsistency, and it DRASTICALLY simplified existing addon code |
| 18:03.55 | Saryai | Ah. |
| 18:04.31 | linear` | well tracking health was always inconsistent, it never worked 100% before the new ids |
| 18:04.56 | Shirik|Ecole | I think you're overexaggerating something that was, as ScytheBlade1 put it, a "rare fringe case" |
| 18:05.51 | Saryai | Same with mana |
| 18:05.51 | Shirik|Ecole | severely overexaggerating |
| 18:05.51 | linear` | it wasnt a rare fringe case |
| 18:05.51 | alestane | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20081103 Go Ethan and Lilah! |
| 18:05.51 | linear` | it happens almost every game |
| 18:05.51 | Shirik|Ecole | I think you're nuts |
| 18:05.52 | linear` | nah i play a lot of arena |
| 18:05.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It worked 95%+ of the time, you're going to have a very hard time proving that the 5% we gained was drastically imbalancing to what addons can do and will do in the future |
| 18:05.52 | Shirik|Ecole | and I code a lot of addons |
| 18:05.56 | Saryai | alestane: AWWWH! |
| 18:06.18 | linear` | youll never have everyone on your team targetting someone else or in some way linked 100% of the time |
| 18:06.26 | linear` | for 2v2s and 3s most of the time |
| 18:06.38 | Shirik|Ecole | linear` So what! |
| 18:06.40 | Shirik|Ecole | That doesn't matter |
| 18:06.45 | Shirik|Ecole | There are a million ways for it to work |
| 18:07.01 | Shirik|Ecole | Like I said, go look at RDX's HOT or Conspiracy's Unit objects and then we'll talk |
| 18:07.02 | Saryai | True, but in 2v2 and 3v3, if any of your team had another player on /focus, you could guarantee accuracy 99% of the time |
| 18:07.23 | foxlit | You can see other people's focuses now? |
| 18:07.29 | Saryai | No. |
| 18:07.39 | Saryai | But addons can sync info from focus and focustarget |
| 18:07.45 | foxlit | (urgh!) |
| 18:07.51 | Saryai | I wish. =P |
| 18:07.56 | ScytheBlade1 | The server has no idea what your focus is, and likewise no one else will know it either |
| 18:08.33 | Lunessa | alestane: I've been waiting for that story to finally close... More Zeke please. |
| 18:08.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I stopped reading CAD a good year ago, and after checking out that link I'm glad I did :P |
| 18:09.01 | alestane | When last Ethan left the house, he was trying not to worry about how Zeke got broken. |
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| 18:09.22 | Lunessa | alestane: I know. I read it it 3x weekly. |
| 18:09.34 | linear` | where do you get conspiracy |
| 18:09.47 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 18:09.49 | alestane | For those of us trying not to count birthdays: http://www.threepanelsoul.com/view.php?date=2008-10-29 |
| 18:09.51 | Shirik|Ecole | that's an awesome question |
| 18:10.42 | ScytheBlade1 | linear`: Conspiracy is a framework (think ace) that allows you to do stuff |
| 18:10.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It's (currently) pretty useless on it's own |
| 18:11.06 | Shirik|Ecole | I can pastey the unit code for you |
| 18:11.16 | linear` | sure |
| 18:11.36 | Lunessa | alestane: The repo'ed mine a loooooong time ago. |
| 18:11.44 | linear` | was the boss health tracker made with HOT? |
| 18:12.00 | linear` | RDX has this thing for the boss like focus |
| 18:12.31 | Shirik|Ecole | This was in RDX 5 |
| 18:12.32 | zenzelezz | <ScytheBlade1> linear`: Conspiracy is a framework (think ace) <--- for a moment there I read it as "is a framework (I think it's Ace)" |
| 18:12.32 | linear` | so did ctraid |
| 18:12.36 | Shirik|Ecole | I have no idea what the current RDX is like |
| 18:12.48 | linear` | this was in vanilla |
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| 18:12.54 | Shirik|Ecole | http://wowi.pastey.net/100568 however this is an old version. It is far more robust now. |
| 18:12.58 | foxlit | Conspiracy is a framework (that Shirik should recode using Ace) |
| 18:13.04 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 18:13.04 | Shirik|Ecole | ~kill foxlit |
| 18:13.05 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized tachyon gun at foxlit |
| 18:13.11 | zenzelezz | and ChatThrottleLib |
| 18:13.16 | zenzelezz | or was it someone else that hated that |
| 18:13.43 | Shirik|Ecole | linear`: I will point out this current version I'm showing you only does one level of checks |
| 18:14.05 | Shirik|Ecole | That's because at the time of writing it was written for PvE conditions. It does a lot more checks now, including a 5-level check with recursion avoidance |
| 18:14.06 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/11/01/funny-pictures-cheeseburger-jerkswhile-i-enjoy-your-enchanting-photos-of-attractive/ |
| 18:14.15 | Shirik|Ecole | I just haven't committed it yet so it's on my desktop |
| 18:14.27 | Shirik|Ecole | but the idea is there |
| 18:15.10 | linear` | yeah i get it |
| 18:15.28 | Seerah | <3 Lunessa |
| 18:15.41 | Lunessa | :D <3 Seerah |
| 18:15.43 | Shirik|Ecole | have to restart |
| 18:15.44 | Shirik|Ecole | brb |
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| 18:29.45 | Shirik|Ghost | this is why I love MATLAB |
| 18:29.49 | Shirik|Ghost | not because it can accomplish things |
| 18:29.51 | Shirik|Ghost | but because of |
| 18:29.53 | Shirik|Ghost | >> why |
| 18:29.53 | Shirik|Ghost | The bald and not excessively bald and not excessively smart hamster obeyed a terrified and not excessively terrified hamster. |
| 18:30.02 | Shirik|Ghost | >> why |
| 18:30.02 | Shirik|Ghost | To fool the tall good and smart system manager. |
| 18:36.24 | p3lim | haste: ping |
| 18:36.44 | p3lim | haste: got this when taking a chess piece in karazhan http://pastey.net/100570 |
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| 18:40.07 | malreth | wooohooohooo hooooooooo |
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| 18:40.37 | cbreak | I found matlab to be incomprehensibly complicated. |
| 18:40.44 | cbreak | And I programmed in many other languages... |
| 18:41.05 | cbreak | maybe I just had bad docs, but I think the language sucked :) |
| 18:42.08 | malreth | cbreak: yes |
| 18:42.11 | malreth | yes it sucks |
| 18:42.28 | malreth | any language that uses a vector of four floats to represent a pointer... |
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| 18:54.07 | Lunessa | MATLAB cause more support calls than any other thing on campus except Outlook. |
| 18:54.42 | Lunessa | And my universal answer to all of them, "Refer to your course materials." |
| 18:56.31 | NightHawkTheSane | is that the polite version of RTFM? ;) |
| 18:56.49 | haste | RFTCM! sounds so much more badass |
| 18:57.07 | NightHawkTheSane | RTFCM *nod* |
| 18:57.19 | NightHawkTheSane | rfctm doesn't seem to make gramatical sense. |
| 18:57.35 | haste | typo D: |
| 18:57.57 | NightHawkTheSane | of course :) |
| 18:58.38 | krka | any git user here? i want to resolve a conflict using a specific version |
| 18:58.41 | krka | i.e. not really merge |
| 19:01.23 | Saryai | haste: Is there any sane reason to use utf8lib in an oUF raid layout that shortens raid playernames when not supporting non-ENUS clients? |
| 19:02.07 | krka | hm, is this the best way to do it? git show :3:WTF/Config.wtf > WTF/Config.wtf |
| 19:03.07 | Saryai | Trying to find some example code and every time I see someone shorten a name it's via a string.utf8sub call. |
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| 19:06.23 | Lunessa | Saryai: supporting UTF8 is always a sane idea when you may deal with user-input. |
| 19:07.21 | Lunessa | The number of players on my realm alone with accented, or otherwise UTF8 characters in their names is proof. |
| 19:07.32 | Saryai | Good point. |
| 19:07.45 | batrick | man the new stuff on the nehalem CPUs coming out this month looks pretty exciting |
| 19:07.47 | Saryai | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Never mind when you get out of the US |
| 19:07.57 | ScytheBlade1 | And... UTF8 is a requirement |
| 19:11.28 | Lunessa | And Function Lock keys on keyboards drive me insane. |
| 19:11.36 | Saryai | Yeah. I was just wanting to avoid embedding a UTF8 lib into something I only use personally. =P |
| 19:12.41 | krka | damn it, i think i messed up stuff in git |
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| 19:14.08 | Syzgyn | Hrm, I can connect to every server except mine |
| 19:14.56 | foxlit | I demand the continuation of the zombie story :( |
| 19:15.16 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 19:15.20 | Lopeppeppy | Brains |
| 19:15.26 | Lopeppeppy | The End. |
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| 19:15.50 | alestane | 1) Kill Everyone; |
| 19:15.55 | foxlit | "Lich King: Okay, guys, that's it, pack up shop and stop infecting others. We're getting out of here." |
| 19:15.56 | zenzelezz | 2) ??? |
| 19:16.01 | alestane | 2) Destroy Everything; |
| 19:16.04 | zenzelezz | nooo |
| 19:16.06 | zenzelezz | 3) Profit! |
| 19:16.13 | alestane | 3) Party Down |
| 19:16.45 | cog|work | ~hug eberbudy |
| 19:16.45 | purl | ACTION hugs eberbudy tightly until eberbudy turns slightly blue |
| 19:17.21 | zenzelezz | plz not to be eating the peppy (in that way) |
| 19:17.23 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa! |
| 19:17.26 | Lunessa | ~wave cog|work |
| 19:17.27 | purl | Bye, cog|work |
| 19:17.39 | Lunessa | :D |
| 19:17.57 | cog|work | zenzelezz: party pooper |
| 19:18.17 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously. Let Peppy decide how she likes best, kk? Don't discourage the paramours, even the undead ones! |
| 19:18.26 | zenzelezz | cog|work: I think my way would be more fun for both parties |
| 19:20.14 | Lopeppeppy | No. Bad code monkey. Jeez. |
| 19:20.17 | Lunessa | More fiber, less protein. |
| 19:20.23 | Lopeppeppy | What's a living girl have to do around here! |
| 19:20.36 | foxlit | I'm so disappointed there's no [The Human Supremacy] on live realms :/ |
| 19:21.09 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: you know I'm always up for regular living activities |
| 19:22.56 | zenzelezz | so apparently dino pet > Misdirect |
| 19:23.21 | bleeter | foxlit: re: continuation. where do I sign your petition? ;) |
| 19:23.42 | zenzelezz | Kaz'rogal comes walking, gets shot, goes to MT, turns around, goes to dino pet, gets shot, goes to MT, turns around, kills dino pet, comes to MT. This is before raid can even start hitting him |
| 19:24.27 | Lopeppeppy | Whee! |
| 19:25.14 | bleeter | I think I'm ready to give up playing PvP realms. if it's not a total inability to kitty pounce on someone straightlining over the top of me, it's being on my spriest and straightlining on my mount, only to get turned 180 degrees, walk 10 yards back up the road then get sapped :/ |
| 19:25.14 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: last week in raid, kaz'rogal decided he didn't CARE about misdirects, and beat the snot out of the ~3 npcs who were left up front before he deigned to engage us. :P |
| 19:25.55 | foxlit | Your hunters are playing a cruel joke on you, NightHawkTheSane |
| 19:26.19 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: sadly, it was just one hunter, and im not sure he was all that good at MDing ;) |
| 19:26.34 | Lunessa | bleeter: I gave up on PvP realms long ago. I basically decided I didn't want to hand other people power over my enjoyment. |
| 19:26.48 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: fortunately, i was on my druid, in kitty, so the half dozen or so extra marks didn't bother me, and we killed him anyway, but it was amusing |
| 19:28.20 | bleeter | Lunessa: heh, I ain't even got to that stage. I'm just trying to work out if there's a way I can put 'US PLAYER' above any opposition nameplate so I know they've got ~250ms advantage over me and thus can have me turning 180 degrees and walking back up the road when I've ridden well past them on my screen :/ |
| 19:28.55 | Lunessa | bleeter: Play on a Euro realm? |
| 19:28.55 | bleeter | I might note, I never saw this behaviour in 2.x, but maybe I weren't looking hard enough |
| 19:29.01 | bleeter | Lunessa: Oceanic |
| 19:29.31 | Lunessa | You're screwed no matter what then. You have trans-ocieanic hops to any server farm for the game. Sorry dude. |
| 19:30.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: don't go down this road with bleeter. As they say, he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. ;) |
| 19:30.28 | bleeter | I still say the server should induce the average of all player latencies to people below the average |
| 19:30.38 | foxlit | cowards say that, ScytheBlade1 :) |
| 19:30.40 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: Nah, I played the "your fooked" trump card. |
| 19:30.47 | bleeter | or hold official tournies with latencies of ~350ms |
| 19:30.55 | bleeter | against Oceanic teams.. then see how folks go |
| 19:30.59 | Lunessa | I mean, he lives in a land down under.... |
| 19:31.07 | ScytheBlade1 | heh. |
| 19:31.09 | bleeter | where women glow and men chunder |
| 19:31.59 | cladhaire | Would anyone actually want this addon |
| 19:32.05 | cladhaire | or did I just make it for shits and giggles: |
| 19:32.07 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.09 | Lunessa | Men at Work - rock on. |
| 19:32.13 | bleeter | seriously, though, with above described behaviour, is it any wonder oceanics (a) look at private servers for pvp between friends (b) attempt latency hacks :/ |
| 19:32.47 | Lunessa | cladhaire: I can't tell WTF it's doing. |
| 19:32.58 | cladhaire | its an odometer and speedometer |
| 19:33.06 | cladhaire | the needle is speed |
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| 19:33.19 | cladhaire | and the dials count up like they would in a car |
| 19:33.23 | cladhaire | or close to it :P |
| 19:33.42 | Lunessa | Compression on the video makes the data unreadable. But I bet you would get a load of downloads. |
| 19:34.11 | foxlit | cumbersome, check. out-of-place, check. Yeah, that'd be popular :) |
| 19:34.31 | cladhaire | was thinking toss it on the minimap with a text reading.. and when click have it blow up to full size |
| 19:34.49 | bleeter | cladhaire: if it has a tacho, i might be interested :P |
| 19:34.59 | cladhaire | and how would one measure your rpm? :P |
| 19:35.37 | bleeter | well, if we're measuring the rotation of a shaft, you could measure how screwed up one's rotation is due to latency! |
| 19:35.38 | foxlit | engine noise through voice chat |
| 19:35.44 | Lunessa | It needs a "Check Engine" Light. |
| 19:36.36 | NightHawkTheSane | ~Lunessa++ |
| 19:36.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:36.58 | cladhaire | lol |
| 19:36.59 | cladhaire | when dead |
| 19:37.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Watch for retarded behavior |
| 19:37.01 | cladhaire | check engine |
| 19:37.03 | cladhaire | i like this idea :P |
| 19:37.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Like a shaman casting lesser healing wave at all |
| 19:37.14 | ScytheBlade1 | If they do, light turns on |
| 19:37.19 | Lunessa | :D |
| 19:37.28 | Lunessa | Wait... I use LHW. |
| 19:37.42 | ScytheBlade1 | A *resto shaman |
| 19:38.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Or a mage who spams four non-frozen ice lances in a row |
| 19:38.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: LHW is actually pretty decent these days |
| 19:38.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Or a warlock who uses CoA on a boss! |
| 19:38.31 | ScytheBlade1 | There is potential here |
| 19:38.55 | Lunessa | cladhaire: Scaleable, moveable, multiple skins? |
| 19:38.57 | bleeter | or an oceanic on 250ms trying to take on a US player on 10ms, that's pretty stupid :P |
| 19:39.08 | Kaso | ooh, livna has just turned into rpmfusion, cool |
| 19:39.24 | bleeter | Kaso: finally? wow, they been working towards that since... forever hah |
| 19:39.39 | foxlit | people actually have 10ms latency? |
| 19:39.47 | Kaso | yah, the auto-update patch was just pushed |
| 19:39.52 | alestane | I frequently have 30ms or so. |
| 19:39.52 | foxlit | Personally, 100ms sounds about right |
| 19:40.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i've heard of latency as low as ~30ish |
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| 19:40.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I know people with 10-12ms of latency at times |
| 19:40.33 | NightHawkTheSane | but usually thats from people really close to their particular data center |
| 19:40.35 | bleeter | 30ms will still win over 250ms pretty much every time |
| 19:40.37 | alestane | for 10ms I think you'd have to be in Texas. |
| 19:40.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd like to stab them |
| 19:40.38 | cbreak | I have between 35 and 135ms |
| 19:40.41 | ckknight | hey, anyone know what the 9th number for item links is now? |
| 19:40.47 | Lunessa | I routinely have 30 - 50ms latency. |
| 19:40.54 | ckknight | didn't used to exist |
| 19:40.57 | foxlit | ckknight: link level? |
| 19:40.57 | bleeter | ckknight: BoA related? |
| 19:41.00 | cbreak | not sure where my server is though, either germany or france |
| 19:41.05 | Lunessa | alestane: And I live in TX. :P |
| 19:41.11 | cladhaire | Lunessa: probably not, no |
| 19:41.22 | cladhaire | as far as multiple skins |
| 19:41.24 | cladhaire | yes to scale and move |
| 19:41.35 | Gnarfoz | ckknight: level, IIRC, because of the BoA items |
| 19:41.42 | foxlit | yes to scale sounds like something you'll regret :) |
| 19:41.44 | ckknight | BoA? |
| 19:41.50 | foxlit | BtA |
| 19:41.54 | bleeter | bind to account, heirloom items |
| 19:41.55 | foxlit | l2a :) |
| 19:41.57 | Lunessa | cladhaire: Rock on. I'd download it to FRAPS/GameCam it just for laughs. |
| 19:42.24 | ckknight | okay |
| 19:42.38 | cbreak | the WoW movie recorder works nice. But the output is variable framerate :( |
| 19:42.53 | foxlit | Dunno |
| 19:42.53 | Lunessa | Stuff like - Collector's Edition pets, Big Blizzard Bear, Murloc Suit, etc. |
| 19:43.14 | foxlit | Stuff I've filmed through the OSX video recording was of the best quality <3 |
| 19:43.21 | cladhaire | yeah its really nice |
| 19:43.26 | cladhaire | I kill it when I drop it down to flv |
| 19:43.32 | cladhaire | but in .mov its really nice :P |
| 19:43.46 | foxlit | stream .mov instead? |
| 19:43.46 | Lunessa | foxlit: If my iMac at home or my old powerbook could handle WoW, then I would.. but they cant. :( |
| 19:43.52 | Gnarfoz | mov is a container, not a video format |
| 19:43.54 | Gnarfoz | >_< |
| 19:44.00 | Gnarfoz | (As is flv, on that note) |
| 19:44.09 | alestane | Or rather, a container, not a codec. |
| 19:44.13 | foxlit | Which is absolutely irrelevant :) |
| 19:44.15 | cladhaire | you know what I mean :P |
| 19:44.22 | cladhaire | pedants! |
| 19:44.23 | Gnarfoz | not really, what codec *are* you using? |
| 19:44.29 | cladhaire | I have no clue, actually |
| 19:44.37 | cbreak | I used MJPEG |
| 19:44.37 | Gnarfoz | sorenson? vp6? h264? ;| |
| 19:44.43 | Gnarfoz | wow, how retro. |
| 19:44.43 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:44.46 | cladhaire | ffmpeg -i %s -y -map 0.0:0.0 -f flv -vc |
| 19:44.46 | cladhaire | odec flv -b 200 -aspect 4:3 -s 640x480 -r ntsc -g 240 -me epzs -qmin 2 -qmax 15 -acodec mp3 -ab 56 -ar 22050 - |
| 19:44.48 | cladhaire | ac 2 -map 0.1:0.1 -benchmark %s" |
| 19:44.48 | cbreak | but when I wanted to recompress it with x264 |
| 19:44.52 | cladhaire | whatever that does |
| 19:44.53 | foxlit | Flash will only decode certain stuff, so flv is hardly a generic container. |
| 19:44.58 | cbreak | it broke because of variable framerate |
| 19:45.04 | zenzelezz | FLV? Are you making porn or something? :- |
| 19:45.06 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 19:45.16 | cbreak | flv is for youtube |
| 19:45.18 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: vp6, sorenson and h264 at the moment, :) |
| 19:45.21 | Gnarfoz | what. |
| 19:45.23 | Gnarfoz | it's not |
| 19:45.29 | cbreak | among others |
| 19:45.31 | Gnarfoz | flv just stands for flash video, nothing more. |
| 19:45.36 | Gnarfoz | you don't upload .flv to youtube |
| 19:45.40 | Xuerian | It's a cardboard box.... |
| 19:45.42 | zenzelezz | was making a joke :-p |
| 19:45.45 | cbreak | yes, but it creates it :) |
| 19:45.48 | Xuerian | A crappy one at that >.> |
| 19:45.51 | foxlit | Xuerian: it's a cardboard cube in four dimensions! |
| 19:46.07 | Gnarfoz | actually, if you upload h264, it'll allow playing that h264 movie |
| 19:46.08 | Lunessa | The Tube is Civilization! |
| 19:46.12 | foxlit | (also, wth is with youtube and high quality mode and macs?) |
| 19:46.21 | Gnarfoz | via "view in High Quality" |
| 19:46.25 | cbreak | newer flash plugins can decode h264 |
| 19:46.26 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: what about it? |
| 19:46.31 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: exactly |
| 19:46.35 | foxlit | never displays. |
| 19:46.48 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: update flash, I guess? |
| 19:46.53 | foxlit | is 10. |
| 19:47.06 | foxlit | but good guess. |
| 19:47.08 | Gnarfoz | then mac flash is sucky :> |
| 19:47.14 | cbreak | foxlit: are you using firefox? |
| 19:47.15 | foxlit | s/mac// |
| 19:47.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: it is, and always has been. |
| 19:47.24 | foxlit | Nope. |
| 19:47.25 | Gnarfoz | it works on windows, so that can't be the reason :p |
| 19:47.43 | Gnarfoz | tried an alternative flash plugin? dunno if they can do h264 |
| 19:47.52 | foxlit | Now I actually need to find a HQ-capable video on youtube :/ |
| 19:47.55 | NightHawkTheSane | for some reason adobe thinks its okay to have a disgustingly sub-par flash plugin for macs. |
| 19:48.50 | cbreak | flash sucks anyway. |
| 19:48.54 | cbreak | just like java script. |
| 19:49.02 | cbreak | XHTML/CSS for ever! |
| 19:49.21 | cladhaire | so I just transferred to a server |
| 19:49.24 | foxlit | Hrm. I'm not offered a link, apparently |
| 19:49.28 | cladhaire | that has a 15/85 alliance/horde ratio. |
| 19:49.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:49.36 | cladhaire | there are 3000 items on sale in the alliance auction house |
| 19:49.39 | cbreak | whoa |
| 19:49.45 | cladhaire | every zone I go to.. there are 30,000 horde |
| 19:49.46 | cbreak | that's like...nothing |
| 19:49.47 | Lunessa | cladhaire: Power in numbers FTW? |
| 19:49.53 | cladhaire | and everyone spams me for instance runs |
| 19:50.04 | cladhaire | cause I'm one of like... 100 level 70 players online at peak time. |
| 19:50.17 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: sounds like it'd be good to be a tank/healer? :p |
| 19:50.24 | cladhaire | i am in fact a healer |
| 19:50.25 | cladhaire | but like.. |
| 19:50.28 | cladhaire | 3000 items on the AH |
| 19:50.33 | cladhaire | >< |
| 19:50.40 | NightHawkTheSane | why did you transfer there if you're going to bitch? :P |
| 19:50.47 | alestane | What do people consider more normal? I've never tried to count. |
| 19:50.48 | cladhaire | because i didn't research well enough apparently |
| 19:51.01 | cladhaire | it was one of two serevrs |
| 19:51.05 | cladhaire | and apparently we chose wrong |
| 19:51.08 | NightHawkTheSane | well, not to be rude, but that is your own fault. ;) |
| 19:51.11 | cladhaire | but they both allegedly have the same issue |
| 19:51.21 | cladhaire | well |
| 19:51.22 | cbreak | blame blizzard then |
| 19:51.22 | cladhaire | its manageable |
| 19:51.25 | NightHawkTheSane | why only limited to two serveres? |
| 19:51.26 | cbreak | they deserve it |
| 19:51.27 | cladhaire | and hopefully people will transfer in |
| 19:51.28 | NightHawkTheSane | servers* |
| 19:51.36 | cladhaire | NightHawkTheSane: free char transfers |
| 19:51.39 | cladhaire | i was on Ravencrest EU |
| 19:51.39 | cbreak | were you on one of those ex-russian servers that were closed? |
| 19:51.42 | cladhaire | which is one of the top EU servers |
| 19:51.42 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: ahh |
| 19:51.43 | cladhaire | cbreak: no |
| 19:51.48 | cladhaire | in Cyclone |
| 19:51.51 | cladhaire | so amazing PVE |
| 19:51.51 | Industrial | cladhaire: i didnt know anything about either server too |
| 19:51.53 | cladhaire | amazing PVP |
| 19:52.02 | cladhaire | and now ghost town |
| 19:52.07 | Industrial | we just said /roll 1-2 |
| 19:52.12 | cladhaire | there were FOUR people in IF during dinner last night, and 3 in SW |
| 19:52.20 | Industrial | omg |
| 19:52.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That's kind of win |
| 19:52.20 | Industrial | :| |
| 19:52.28 | ScytheBlade1 | You should start a raiding guild! |
| 19:52.31 | cladhaire | if you want a server to yourself, rock out |
| 19:52.40 | cladhaire | at least we can login now tho |
| 19:52.54 | cladhaire | >< |
| 19:53.00 | cladhaire | wonder if blizz will let us take it back :P |
| 19:53.47 | ScytheBlade1 | You should have rolled an alt there first :P |
| 19:54.25 | NightHawkTheSane | dont think they allow fresh characters on transfer realms :\ |
| 19:54.44 | Industrial | min L10 |
| 19:54.44 | NightHawkTheSane | unless it existed previously, but maybe i'm wrong. |
| 19:55.21 | foxlit | Hm. I'm contemplating implementing something like RegisterForSave :/ |
| 19:55.33 | cladhaire | it existed earlier |
| 19:55.39 | foxlit | still does, probably |
| 19:55.43 | cladhaire | so yes, we should have done research |
| 19:55.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ~fail cladhaire |
| 19:55.54 | purl | cladhaire: FAIL! |
| 19:55.54 | cladhaire | its totally our own fault. |
| 19:56.08 | bleeter | so, to the important question of the day... who's gunna win the race? |
| 19:56.12 | cladhaire | oh well now we can own th server |
| 19:56.14 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, shit happens. you can still paid transfer off. live and learn. :) |
| 19:56.28 | foxlit | bleeter: The best #@$#@ news team on... television? |
| 19:57.19 | cladhaire | WOW |
| 19:57.21 | cladhaire | we got hosed |
| 19:57.21 | cladhaire | Community is a nice one on both sides :) ratio for horde and ally is about 50/50 |
| 19:57.23 | cladhaire | BGS queues are instant for AV, AB and warsong is about1-3mins and EOS is about 5 mins. Arena couldnĆ¢ĀĀt say as never done it on here. |
| 19:57.26 | cladhaire | Hard to say about PVE with the expansion out in just over a week, think most people are just waiting for that now :) |
| 19:57.29 | cladhaire | All the players I have meet are nice and good at their jobs but you get the odd one that is a noob but same on all servers :) |
| 19:57.32 | cladhaire | Industrial: ^^ |
| 19:57.36 | cladhaire | I hate us |
| 19:58.29 | bleeter | wonder how Blizz are gunna takle the AQ Mount 'ninjaing' that's gone on :/ |
| 19:58.49 | Lopeppeppy | With a grain of salt, same as always |
| 19:59.05 | zenzelezz | bleeter: what's that? |
| 19:59.13 | bleeter | "Nowhere in the world have I encountered a festival of people that has such a magnificent appeal to the whole nation. The Cup astonishes me." - M. Twain (http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/articles/melbournecup/ ) |
| 19:59.26 | Syzgyn | zenzelezz: People are transfering to new servers and grabbing the scarab lord title |
| 19:59.34 | bleeter | ^^ screw the US election, there's more important stuff to worry about |
| 19:59.37 | zenzelezz | Syzgyn: ew :-| |
| 19:59.42 | Syzgyn | Yeap. |
| 19:59.46 | Industrial | cladhaire: sorry doing boss. |
| 20:00.06 | bleeter | zenzelezz: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11296568531&sid=1 |
| 20:00.14 | bleeter | "I am seeking confirmation whether or not people who gained the scarab lord title and mount after this patch (from the result of the AQ gates being reset and closed) will have it taken away from them. " |
| 20:01.17 | Syzgyn | I'm doing the scepter quest chain right now, for kalimdor lorekeeper and brood rep. |
| 20:01.44 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, aq gates being reset and closed huh? |
| 20:02.53 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: afaik, the gates have been variously screwed on various realms for.. quite some time |
| 20:03.01 | NightHawkTheSane | interesting. |
| 20:03.24 | bleeter | I suspect this was an attempt at finally fixing the screwedness... just made a bad situation worse |
| 20:03.41 | foxlit | "Not all Lua constructs can be saved. For example, inline functions." |
| 20:03.52 | foxlit | That so seems to imply you can save functions :/ |
| 20:04.14 | nevcairiel | cant you string.dump them? |
| 20:04.23 | cbreak | that works sometimes |
| 20:04.30 | cbreak | doesn't work with closures |
| 20:04.36 | cbreak | or functions that are not pure lua |
| 20:05.01 | foxlit | nev: you can't loadstring them afterwards. |
| 20:05.08 | foxlit | Or, at least, not in wow. I think. |
| 20:05.15 | nevcairiel | whats the point of string.dump then? |
| 20:05.21 | alestane | WoW supports loadstring. |
| 20:05.27 | foxlit | WoW feature, not lua feature. |
| 20:05.44 | alestane | Although I think it may not support loadstring'ing bytecode. |
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| 20:06.18 | foxlit | which it does not |
| 20:06.27 | foxlit | loadstring(string.dump(function() return 5; end)) == nil |
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| 20:09.59 | bleeter | I foresee the GMs requesting a new function for Oglethorpe to tell people which parts of the mechanical chicken rescue chains they've completed. Forum GMs must be getting sick and tired of being asked on the by players >< |
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| 20:12.31 | Lyn | http://www.asciimation.co.nz/tardis/ this is so amazing |
| 20:12.31 | Lyn | :D |
| 20:12.45 | NightHawkTheSane | This is kind of neat: http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200285450 |
| 20:12.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Lyn: okay, that is really awesome |
| 20:13.58 | Lyn | :D |
| 20:14.17 | Lyn | and it's signed by the second doctor! |
| 20:14.22 | NightHawkTheSane | oooh |
| 20:15.24 | NightHawkTheSane | well, 7th doctor. |
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| 20:15.54 | Lyn | rly? oh thought he said 2. |
| 20:15.55 | Lyn | :x |
| 20:16.11 | NightHawkTheSane | 2nd doctor he'd met, 7th Doctor in the series |
| 20:16.33 | bleeter | getting signed by the 2nd would be an impressive effort :P |
| 20:16.42 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, im pretty sure he's dead.. |
| 20:17.17 | Industrial | why does violation take stuff from the whole fight and not accurate current dps data? |
| 20:17.20 | bleeter | died mid 80's, iirc |
| 20:17.31 | Industrial | i mean like, it rounds my dps down and up quite a bit :| |
| 20:17.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Industrial: because you touch yourself at night |
| 20:17.37 | bleeter | ~wiki patrick troughton |
| 20:17.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ~seen pastamancer |
| 20:17.50 | purl | pastamancer is currently on #wowace (9d 17h 13m 7s) #curseforge (9d 17h 13m 7s). Has said a total of 216 messages. Is idling for 2d 2h 2m 22s, last said: 'either way really'. |
| 20:17.50 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane, an hero |
| 20:18.06 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: because that's peoples definition of 'basic' around here. |
| 20:18.24 | NightHawkTheSane | 2 days? baah |
| 20:18.34 | Industrial | Gnarfoz: :| |
| 20:18.42 | cbreak | how do you define dps? |
| 20:18.45 | Industrial | well i want to see my damage per SECOND |
| 20:18.47 | Industrial | like, this SECOND |
| 20:18.52 | cbreak | total damage done in the fight / duration of fight |
| 20:19.00 | Industrial | not this <duration of fight rounded down> |
| 20:19.03 | Gnarfoz | it's a sliding window for more advanced meters. :p |
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| 20:19.08 | cbreak | why rounded? |
| 20:19.10 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: i define i as a fictional statistic designed to make people feel better about not doing the most damage. |
| 20:19.11 | cbreak | there's no rounding done |
| 20:19.20 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: clearly. |
| 20:19.21 | NightHawkTheSane | it* |
| 20:19.30 | cbreak | as mage I don't do a single damage point most of the time |
| 20:19.32 | Industrial | no, if im doing 100dps then im doing 100dps. if im doing 200 later it should be 2000 |
| 20:19.40 | cbreak | unless my spell hit, in which case I do a lot of damage |
| 20:19.47 | cbreak | so my current dps would be 0 most of the time |
| 20:19.49 | Lyn | i am booored |
| 20:19.55 | cbreak | and infinite for very short time periods |
| 20:20.02 | cbreak | (not actually infinite) |
| 20:20.16 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: it's all in how you define your window, really. which is where pretty much every DPS calculation will differ |
| 20:20.21 | Industrial | im elemental shaman and I do constant dps or at least try to |
| 20:20.27 | cbreak | exactly |
| 20:20.27 | Industrial | and i need numbers :| not averages |
| 20:20.28 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: sliding. window. that window being of a 1 second size doesn't make sense. :) |
| 20:20.34 | cbreak | that's why I asked: how do you define dps? |
| 20:20.37 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: which is why i call it fictional. :) |
| 20:20.42 | Gnarfoz | and no |
| 20:20.48 | Gnarfoz | changing the window will not change your dps |
| 20:20.56 | Gnarfoz | just how fast it fluctuates |
| 20:20.57 | cbreak | when I compare dps, I use the window of the duration of the full raid |
| 20:21.06 | Industrial | if you do ntohing for a while it will! |
| 20:21.08 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: that's... bad. |
| 20:21.16 | cbreak | why? :) |
| 20:21.21 | Lunessa | Always look on the bright side of life. Always look on the bright side of life. |
| 20:21.52 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: if you that's not obvious, I doubt your ability to use that to judge anyone's performance. :P |
| 20:21.54 | Lopeppeppy | Pucker up! |
| 20:22.04 | Gnarfoz | ~x en de pucker |
| 20:22.05 | cbreak | as if it is useful for that anyway... |
| 20:22.08 | Industrial | Gnarfoz: i want dps so you can make a graph |
| 20:22.13 | Industrial | but i dont care about the grapth |
| 20:22.14 | Industrial | just the dps |
| 20:22.17 | cbreak | there are much too many factors influencing performance |
| 20:22.36 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: uhm. why are you using violation again |
| 20:22.49 | Industrial | i asked for a dps meter |
| 20:23.00 | Gnarfoz | violation is a damage meter. |
| 20:23.10 | Gnarfoz | or actually, a stat meter because it tracks healing and stuff, too |
| 20:23.13 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, really dps is a poor indicator of performance in anything but a highly controlled environment |
| 20:23.21 | Gnarfoz | a "dps meter" doesn't even make much sense |
| 20:23.33 | Industrial | i dont care i want to see my dps >:@ NAO |
| 20:23.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: it makes perfect sense, it's just not really viable |
| 20:23.48 | cbreak | Industrial: get dr. damage |
| 20:23.55 | cbreak | not sure if it works with 3.0 though |
| 20:24.01 | cbreak | it's dps, but not meter :) |
| 20:24.05 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 20:24.09 | Gnarfoz | it's also not what he wants |
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| 20:24.16 | NightHawkTheSane | afaik, drdamage has not been updated for 3.0, but i dont know for certain |
| 20:24.24 | Gnarfoz | I'd say get Recount because it's more awesomer than Violation by miles |
| 20:24.33 | Gnarfoz | but then again, it's still a damage meter |
| 20:24.42 | Lunessa | users: Gimma mah DPS penis-ruler nao! AddOn Authors: The Queen's English, dost thou speak it vile knave? |
| 20:24.46 | Gnarfoz | that can display DPS too, but DPS IS BLAH :p |
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| 20:25.07 | Gnarfoz | damage done is where it's at :P |
| 20:25.11 | NightHawkTheSane | I actually use picoDPS for at-a-glance dps numbers, but I don't consider it the holy grail of statistics either |
| 20:25.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: precisely |
| 20:25.21 | Syzgyn | I miss Assessment :( |
| 20:25.23 | Industrial | Gnarfoz: i dont care that you dont like dps. go go watch your damage. I'll watch my damage per second. |
| 20:25.34 | cbreak | Deaths-per-raid is where it's at |
| 20:25.34 | Gnarfoz | I don't care what you want, either |
| 20:25.40 | cbreak | CC-Break count is where it's at |
| 20:25.43 | Industrial | then why 'help' me :| |
| 20:25.59 | cbreak | Decurse/Dispell count is where it's at :) |
| 20:25.59 | Gnarfoz | because you're not stopping your whining? |
| 20:26.21 | Industrial | m not whining, im asking for a dps addon - you are telling me to stuff it and telling me im wrong in wanting one |
| 20:26.32 | Gnarfoz | you already HAVE one |
| 20:26.38 | Gnarfoz | theres other addons that do it, too |
| 20:26.40 | Industrial | its not working right! |
| 20:26.45 | Gnarfoz | YOU THINK. |
| 20:26.55 | NightHawkTheSane | no, its working RIGHT. it's just not working the way you WANT. |
| 20:27.04 | Gnarfoz | if you don't understand how damage meters calculate DPS, look at the code? I know you know enough Lua to do that. |
| 20:27.30 | Gnarfoz | you could even, *gasp* modify it to your wants. :P |
| 20:27.32 | cbreak | Industrial: get an addon that displays 0 dps |
| 20:27.45 | malreth | i'm a rhino |
| 20:27.46 | Industrial | now you are attacking my "skillz", grats. |
| 20:27.47 | cbreak | it will be right in all but an infinitesimal small instances of reality |
| 20:27.53 | foxlit | He who moonfires the most sheep wins the game. |
| 20:28.23 | cbreak | becaue your dps will be 0 unless one of your attacks is hitting. and the duration of a hit is infinitessimally small (idealized) |
| 20:28.37 | bleeter | foxlit: hehe, we have a saying in our guild's druid ranks on vent... 'MOOOONFIRE MWHAHAHA', ok it's more of a yell ;) |
| 20:28.59 | foxlit | bleeter: I miss my cheap rank 1 :( |
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| 20:29.27 | bleeter | foxlit: I miss being able to chain chug mana pots so I can keep the MOONFIRE up :( |
| 20:29.37 | foxlit | bleeter: glyph it. |
| 20:29.40 | bleeter | it's not easy being a MOONFIRE mad feral |
| 20:29.41 | malreth | don't mess with rhinos... they'll fukin charge your ass |
| 20:29.49 | Lunessa | And knock you down. |
| 20:29.53 | Lunessa | and back |
| 20:30.09 | Lunessa | All while wearing a styling tick-bird on their horn. |
| 20:30.14 | bleeter | WTB: Glyph for tanks that negates mage knockback foo and the like |
| 20:30.28 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/100573 << this is... madness? |
| 20:30.33 | bleeter | or alternatively, that addon where I can reach down the intartoobs and slap folks with |
| 20:30.48 | nevcairiel | I think mages and oothers are supposed to get glyphs to remove the knockback |
| 20:30.53 | nevcairiel | ... if they equip those then |
| 20:31.05 | Lunessa | bleeter: You don't want that. Because we'd all be using it on you. :P |
| 20:31.07 | foxlit | What could be more fun than annoying your tanks? |
| 20:31.16 | bleeter | Lunessa: hehe |
| 20:31.19 | Syzgyn | oh god |
| 20:31.23 | Syzgyn | the first hyjal we did post patch |
| 20:31.29 | Industrial | Gnarfoz: why would i want my dps to be an average fo the whole fight? shit happens during a fight ... |
| 20:31.32 | Syzgyn | goddman mages and ele shaman |
| 20:31.42 | foxlit | Industrial: code your own thing already |
| 20:31.45 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: yes, like you doing damage happens. |
| 20:31.51 | foxlit | It's very, very few lines of code. |
| 20:31.57 | Industrial | Gnarfoz: or not, that being the point. |
| 20:31.58 | bleeter | Syzgyn: have you ever been more annoyed in game? hehe |
| 20:32.04 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: so what? |
| 20:32.04 | Syzgyn | honestly, dps matters a hell of a lot less than total damage done. |
| 20:32.21 | cbreak | Industrial: pick a window size |
| 20:32.22 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: do you want comparable numbers or not |
| 20:32.32 | Industrial | yeah, live. |
| 20:32.35 | foxlit | Syzgyn: epeen matters more than reason :) |
| 20:32.37 | Gnarfoz | live? |
| 20:32.39 | Gnarfoz | that makes no sense. |
| 20:32.56 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: because I can tell you, a rogue will do who knows what kind of DPS right after vanishing. |
| 20:33.01 | Industrial | im not an analyst i dont give a flying fuck about my +2dmg compared to last fight! whatever! |
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| 20:33.18 | Gnarfoz | he simply seems to not get it, lol xD |
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| 20:33.33 | Gnarfoz | if he's not an analyst, what does he need live dps numbers for :\ |
| 20:33.40 | foxlit | epeen. |
| 20:33.47 | Lunessa | Well, granted you were both just smacking each other with your points. |
| 20:33.50 | Syzgyn | foxlit: It's a better epeen stat too :P Oh, you beat my dps? Well I did 50k more damage than you overall. |
| 20:34.07 | Gnarfoz | "you beat my dps? when?" |
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| 20:34.28 | Gnarfoz | it's idiotic to not calculate it over the same duration as everyone else (i.e. lenght of fight or even length of raid) |
| 20:34.40 | foxlit | Meh, no. |
| 20:34.52 | ScytheBlade1 | No it isn't |
| 20:34.55 | ScytheBlade1 | WWS doesn't |
| 20:34.55 | foxlit | As long as you calculate for everyone you want to compare with, who cares how you do it? |
| 20:35.01 | Gnarfoz | and his idea of a 1sec window for calculation would indeed leave him at 0dps more often than he'd think ^^ |
| 20:35.08 | Syzgyn | Gnarfoz: I'll beat your dps with the ugly stick! |
| 20:35.16 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: well, if you do it *live* how will you compare? |
| 20:35.23 | Gnarfoz | watch everyones DPS during the fight? |
| 20:35.28 | Gnarfoz | there's other things to do then! :p |
| 20:35.34 | foxlit | no there isn't! |
| 20:35.44 | foxlit | life of dps classes: spam 4 and watch the pretty bars. |
| 20:35.45 | Gnarfoz | ok maybe he's a warlock. |
| 20:35.52 | nevcairiel | You cannot blindly judge on one single number |
| 20:35.57 | nevcairiel | you need to look at both, of course |
| 20:36.14 | cbreak | I am a mage and I can honestly say I don't care that much about my dps |
| 20:36.17 | Gnarfoz | dps is so irrelevant in comparing it's not even funny :D |
| 20:36.28 | cbreak | what I care about is that I survive the fight and that my sheeps stay sheeped as long as possible |
| 20:36.40 | cbreak | (and that curses vanish asap) |
| 20:36.53 | cbreak | beating a fight is more important than doing damage. |
| 20:36.55 | Syzgyn | Nonsense! Mage's dont decurse! |
| 20:36.59 | Lunessa | I like the charts feature of Recount. It does a good job of showing me how I'm generating my damage, which lets me figure out how to improve my damage by changing up my rotations and buffs. |
| 20:37.10 | nevcairiel | cbreak: tell that to brutallus on sunwell release =P |
| 20:37.11 | selckin | cbreak: later encounters, breaking the fight = doing enough damage |
| 20:37.22 | selckin | the hard part of the fights are doing enough damage to beat the timers. |
| 20:37.27 | Gnarfoz | someone should enhance recount to capture time between debuff application and removal, leading to a reaction time stat for dispellers. :D |
| 20:37.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: once on Archimonde, I had 108 decurses. The second place had 36. |
| 20:37.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Mage decursing ftw. |
| 20:37.35 | Syzgyn | Dude |
| 20:37.38 | cbreak | the only DPS fight I have seen so far was RoS. |
| 20:37.51 | cbreak | and there I could outdamage everyone else by stealing the shield :) |
| 20:37.51 | selckin | every boss in sunwell. |
| 20:37.52 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: not uncommon. you were the only non-retard dispeller then. :) |
| 20:37.55 | Dashkal | I love how recount can help me choose my talents. Knowing my damage breakdown helps be determine which ones will benefit me the most given how I like to play. |
| 20:38.01 | Syzgyn | How terrible was your raids dps if it lasted long enough for there to be 108 curses? |
| 20:38.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: yeah. =] |
| 20:38.08 | nevcairiel | More DPS = Shorter Fight = Less time for fuck ups :) |
| 20:38.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: that was over the entire night |
| 20:38.13 | Syzgyn | Ahh |
| 20:38.30 | cbreak | Kalecgos doesn't seem to be a dps fight |
| 20:38.36 | Gnarfoz | some people are just not capable of spamming fireball as much as others. it's true. |
| 20:38.44 | cbreak | much more a "get into that damn portal you noob" fight. |
| 20:38.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I pulled near top DPS while doing that too ;P |
| 20:38.51 | Syzgyn | Kalecgos is a 'get in the portals fast enough' fight |
| 20:38.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Without -ever- taking a tick of fire |
| 20:39.02 | Syzgyn | ^^ |
| 20:39.12 | Gnarfoz | one of our mages had like 103 fireballs, the next had 40. the former also had like triple the dispels of the other mages combined. ;D |
| 20:39.14 | cbreak | our problem is not dieing though |
| 20:39.15 | foxlit | Syzgyn: you know, at some point, 25 curses will just keep traveling between people. |
| 20:39.22 | Wikwocket | Recount is awesome, it'd just be nice if it tracked damage prevented by shields: healers need stats to brag over too! |
| 20:39.25 | foxlit | (I wonder if anyone ever beat Kalec that way) |
| 20:39.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Any druids or rogues tried to stealth into IF to fish post 3.0? >.> |
| 20:39.38 | Syzgyn | for Kalecgos? Yes... and if you ever get to that point you've already failed so hard. |
| 20:39.41 | nevcairiel | foxlit: if you get to that point, you should check the dps again =P |
| 20:39.55 | foxlit | nev: but it's so awesome! |
| 20:40.02 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: not really, i have a flying point there :) |
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| 20:40.10 | Wikwocket | NightHawkTheSane: there's a good guide on that on wowhead. On the achievement page, or maybe the Old Crafty page or somewhere |
| 20:40.24 | cbreak | NightHawkTheSane: I went to orgrimmar... cost me three deaths :( |
| 20:40.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Wikwocket: well, my question was mostly "should i even bother trying to sneak past the guards, or just death flop there" |
| 20:40.31 | cbreak | that damn city is a maze |
| 20:40.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Run in the side entrance, hug the right side wall |
| 20:40.48 | nevcairiel | I only did the fishing diplomat thing, didnt even try the rare fish |
| 20:40.50 | nevcairiel | was a mess already |
| 20:40.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It took me, a mage, one death (on the bridge) to get in and fish in org |
| 20:40.52 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: pfft. it's actually reasonably straightforward once you get used to it. SW, not that's a fucking maze |
| 20:40.58 | nevcairiel | oh and trying to get to ragefire chasm :P |
| 20:41.02 | NightHawkTheSane | now* |
| 20:41.07 | nevcairiel | SW is no maze |
| 20:41.09 | cbreak | stormwind? it's planar |
| 20:41.11 | nevcairiel | damn og |
| 20:41.12 | Syzgyn | I can get to the pond in Org without dying |
| 20:41.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Took me one death (also on the bridge) to get into RFC :P |
| 20:41.17 | nevcairiel | different layers in height |
| 20:41.18 | Syzgyn | getting a cast in is another story. |
| 20:41.24 | Gnarfoz | SW still sucks. :p |
| 20:41.27 | Gnarfoz | IF is the best. |
| 20:41.30 | cbreak | once I was there I fished for 10 mins |
| 20:41.38 | cbreak | horde was tolerant |
| 20:41.42 | cbreak | I love my server :) |
| 20:41.44 | NightHawkTheSane | I actually like SW because its easy to lose guards by diving in the canal |
| 20:41.58 | cbreak | Gnarfoz: I heard it makes more sense if you play it with speed -100% |
| 20:42.04 | Syzgyn | I did see a hordie fishing in IF once |
| 20:42.06 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: heh I guess so. |
| 20:42.09 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: i pretty much always let alliance be if they're just fishing in org. Except during the zombie event, when i zombified them. muahaha. |
| 20:42.10 | Syzgyn | most of us left him alone |
| 20:42.15 | Syzgyn | then some ass killed him |
| 20:42.31 | Lunessa | You can fish while levitating or using Water Walking. :) |
| 20:42.38 | cbreak | maybe it was easier for me because it was 2 in the morning :) |
| 20:42.41 | nevcairiel | we have hordies alot, and alot of people actually kill them |
| 20:42.46 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: I rented it with a friend recently but I fell asleep like 20 minutes in, so I didn't really get much at all. xD |
| 20:42.55 | nevcairiel | i mean why not, horde players kill me when i go to OG |
| 20:43.05 | nevcairiel | so i kill horde in IF |
| 20:43.21 | Syzgyn | Aldor or Scryer for a mage? |
| 20:43.34 | NeoTron | Syzgyn: doesn't matter, at all |
| 20:43.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait a week and a half and ask again. :) |
| 20:43.41 | NeoTron | Syzgyn: with WotLK so close |
| 20:43.41 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 20:43.45 | Syzgyn | I know |
| 20:43.54 | NeoTron | that said.. scryer for the trinket |
| 20:43.59 | NeoTron | but yeah, who the heck cares? :P |
| 20:44.15 | Syzgyn | Scryer is hella cheaper to grind up now too |
| 20:44.44 | cbreak | I was scryer since they got the better spell threads |
| 20:44.55 | NightHawkTheSane | they're the same now, though |
| 20:44.56 | cbreak | but now with the healing/damage unification, no idea if they are still different |
| 20:45.00 | nevcairiel | I'm scryer for the alchemy recipe |
| 20:45.18 | cbreak | the only difference nowadays is shoulder enchants and recipees I guess |
| 20:45.21 | Syzgyn | Yeah |
| 20:45.25 | cbreak | the other items will become worthless soon |
| 20:45.40 | NightHawkTheSane | even the shoulder enchants will become outdated, recipes will pretty soon too |
| 20:45.41 | NeoTron | the spell hit trinket might have some use while leveling |
| 20:45.50 | NeoTron | since you'll take a huge hit to spell hit and other ratings |
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| 20:46.08 | Wikwocket | Scryer has a great caster ring at exalted as well |
| 20:46.10 | Lunessa | The shoulder enchantes will last you all the way to 80 and exalted with LK reps. |
| 20:46.33 | Syzgyn | Well it's an alt, and not even one I care about a ton, so I'm not worried |
| 20:46.56 | cbreak | recipees are for completeness :) |
| 20:46.56 | Syzgyn | I wont even hit 70 till well past LK :P |
| 20:46.59 | cbreak | not for what they create |
| 20:47.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, but getting exalted with hodir will be high priority for people i expect, because of the enchants, and who wants to bother getting those mats above and beyond what they've stockpiled for leveling gear |
| 20:47.31 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Some of them you won't be able to get until 77+ anyway, so *shrug* |
| 20:47.41 | cbreak | NeoTron: mages can get 3% spell hit from talents |
| 20:47.50 | Syzgyn | Storm Peaks was the one place I didnt even touch during beta |
| 20:47.50 | Lunessa | Then again, I typify your "not hardcore enough" gamer. |
| 20:48.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: well im just saying, i wouldn't bother using -any- shoulder enchant on pre-80 gear |
| 20:48.08 | cbreak | +2 mobs only require 6% hit, same 4% for 0% miss |
| 20:48.23 | cbreak | raid gear currently has 16% or maybe even 17% hit |
| 20:48.32 | cbreak | that's more than enough than you ever will need for leveling |
| 20:48.39 | bleeter | oh, while I'm having a bitch about Oceanic realms again.. did Blizz ever wind one WotLK beta server forward to Oceanic time to see if there's bustage in northrend like there is in outland? |
| 20:48.44 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: that'll degrade fast, though |
| 20:48.50 | Syzgyn | Damn casters and your damn hit |
| 20:48.52 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I will. And so will a lot of other people leveling. But then a lot won't. All those people who will show up to their first Naxx raid in greens with no enchants. :P |
| 20:48.55 | cbreak | yes, but I doubt that it will degrade to below 3% |
| 20:49.03 | Syzgyn | Meanwhile melee get shafted every single level |
| 20:49.21 | cbreak | Lunessa: I have my original naxx gear banked :) |
| 20:49.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: *shrug* i dont intend on showing up to naxx in greens, honestly. ;) |
| 20:49.38 | cbreak | Syzgyn: how so? |
| 20:49.46 | Lunessa | cbreak: I never did the original Nax. The social challenge of raiding defeated me. |
| 20:49.55 | NightHawkTheSane | but if my experiences on beta are representative of how it'll go on live, i probably wont even upgrade my shouders anyway |
| 20:50.07 | Syzgyn | cbreak: Every level our hit goes down, and affects our white dmg |
| 20:50.37 | cbreak | our hit goes down too |
| 20:50.39 | Wikwocket | Resisted spells affects casters, who don't even get "white damage" :) |
| 20:50.41 | Syzgyn | yes |
| 20:50.47 | cbreak | but we have so much on our gear we can easily compensate |
| 20:50.58 | Syzgyn | but as you said, you dont have to worry about it till it drops below 4% |
| 20:51.02 | cbreak | since bosses need way more than normal mobs |
| 20:51.16 | cbreak | we don't need to worry for soloing |
| 20:51.27 | Syzgyn | I'm talking about for leveling |
| 20:51.30 | Lunessa | I keep trying to tell people... T4+ gear will do you well into the late 70s. |
| 20:51.53 | Syzgyn | if you drop from 8% to 6% hit, you lose 0 dps, not true for melee. |
| 20:52.05 | Lunessa | Hell, my shaman is still wearing a couple of badge items from SSO at 80. |
| 20:52.18 | cbreak | if you drop from 50% hit to 40% you would not lose anything either :) |
| 20:52.23 | cbreak | just different thresholds |
| 20:52.25 | Syzgyn | I replaced like, 3 items from 70-80 :\ |
| 20:52.28 | cbreak | different default miss rates |
| 20:52.38 | cbreak | melee and casters are quite different |
| 20:52.41 | Syzgyn | Yes, and yours is alot lower, which is my point :P |
| 20:52.44 | cbreak | melee get dps from stats for example |
| 20:52.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: Yeah, i try and tell people that too, they nod, and agree, and still somehow think that "lulz i'll replace this with greens in two weeks anyway" |
| 20:52.53 | Syzgyn | I'm not saying we dont gain it back |
| 20:52.53 | bleeter | I still contend that Oceanics need +RES to level |
| 20:53.03 | cbreak | melee do not spend item budget on upkeep |
| 20:53.08 | Syzgyn | I'm just saying that leveling hurts melee a little more than casters |
| 20:53.10 | bleeter | it's the only mechanic to fight the latency imba |
| 20:53.13 | cbreak | I don't think so |
| 20:53.18 | cbreak | we're just hurt in different ways |
| 20:53.28 | cbreak | caster mana pools will shrink |
| 20:53.30 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: It makes me nuts. I know I'll replace a few pieces, and I even know where I'm getting them... but it's not like BC. |
| 20:53.39 | cbreak | since the default mana pools increase |
| 20:53.48 | cbreak | and the relative change makes spells more expensive |
| 20:54.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah. A lot of people don't see that though, they have a percieved pattern in their head (Classic->BC), and try to apply that to the future (BC->WotLK). |
| 20:54.22 | Syzgyn | People used T3 up to 70 in BC though |
| 20:54.26 | NightHawkTheSane | of course, the fact that it wasn't even valid then is pretty irrelevant |
| 20:54.28 | cbreak | casters will also face decay in haste rating. Not sure how important that stat is for melee, but it's nice for mages |
| 20:54.45 | Lunessa | Heh, and they'll QQ when they don't replace gear. "These rewards suck!" |
| 20:54.48 | Syzgyn | cbreak: It's nice, but it's been pretty terrible to stack currently. |
| 20:54.59 | Syzgyn | Unless you're deep into sunwell |
| 20:56.19 | cbreak | I am actually not sure how hard leveling will be as mage. I didn't do it in beta |
| 20:56.21 | Lunessa | in WotLK Hit > Haste > what ever else. |
| 20:56.28 | cbreak | but from the few quests I did, it was easy. |
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| 20:59.22 | Lunessa | Oh, and of course, take anything I say with a grain(pound) of salt since conventional wisdom always says "you're wrong." |
| 20:59.48 | foxlit | Haste seemed pretty useless for melee |
| 21:00.04 | kneeki | http://www.leekspin.com/ |
| 21:00.05 | kneeki | yes |
| 21:00.09 | foxlit | Depends, of course, on whether it's auto attacks or special abilities you rely on for damage. |
| 21:00.53 | Viking | i've made a addon that changes the unitframe to a elite portrait but now i try to make it configure between rare and elite within interface/addons, i done most already but i still cant figure out why it wont save the variables |
| 21:00.55 | Viking | http://pastebin.com/m5ba02f83 |
| 21:00.57 | Viking | here is the source |
| 21:01.53 | Lunessa | foxlit: For me, as an enhancement shaman, haste was awesome since 45-55% of my damage comes from regular melee swings and the rest is procs/specials. |
| 21:01.59 | foxlit | Viking: wait, that even compiles? |
| 21:02.15 | Viking | no errors no |
| 21:02.25 | foxlit | I don't see how |
| 21:02.36 | foxlit | It should tell you it expected <EOF> instead of end on line 22 |
| 21:02.53 | Viking | i forgot a end? Oo |
| 21:03.01 | foxlit | No, you have one too many |
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| 21:03.14 | foxlit | or perhaps not |
| 21:03.23 | Viking | i have a elseif there |
| 21:03.23 | Slakah | use elseif, instead of else if |
| 21:03.45 | Viking | isent it the same? |
| 21:03.46 | foxlit | but anyway, that's also your problem |
| 21:04.13 | foxlit | not quite |
| 21:04.28 | foxlit | But similar enough; fixing it won't solve anything |
| 21:04.40 | foxlit | Your problem is that your first case precludes your second case from ever even being evaluated |
| 21:04.54 | Viking | nice now i removed a end |
| 21:04.54 | foxlit | if (event == "VARIABLES_LOADED") then ... else if (event == "VARIABLES_LOADED") and (EliteFrame_Config.Rare == 1) then |
| 21:05.12 | foxlit | that ... will execute, and nobody will ever look at your else. |
| 21:05.36 | Viking | hmm |
| 21:05.46 | Lunessa | As a general rule, when testing cases, test the most restrictive first, then work your way down to least restrictive. |
| 21:06.33 | foxlit | (unless you're trying to pretend to write performance-critical code) |
| 21:06.49 | Viking | hehe |
| 21:06.49 | Lunessa | Well, notice I said "general" rule. |
| 21:07.00 | foxlit | Well, notice the () :) |
| 21:07.13 | NightHawkTheSane | i think being overly concerned with performance critical code in wow is a bit overkill most of the time :p |
| 21:07.19 | Lunessa | Notice how much fun we're having pretending to disagree? |
| 21:07.37 | foxlit | We should so do that more often. |
| 21:07.54 | Lunessa | Totally. |
| 21:08.01 | Lunessa | You first. |
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| 21:08.34 | foxlit | no way! |
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| 21:09.14 | Lunessa | Totally way. |
| 21:09.21 | Viking | hmm still cant figure out how to make it save the variables |
| 21:09.33 | cbreak | did you put them into the TOC? |
| 21:09.54 | cbreak | as saved variable or saved variable per character? |
| 21:09.58 | foxlit | I sense helpfulness in cbreak. |
| 21:10.08 | Viking | normal variable |
| 21:10.21 | Lunessa | So last night, I'm in combat and my OPie rings quit responding to keybinds. 30 minutes of troubleshooting later (inlcuding blowing away my OPie saved variables and keybinds, reinstalling the AddOn, mulitple reloads) I discover.. Function lock is off. /facepalm. |
| 21:10.39 | cbreak | yes, but you have to list it in your toc file |
| 21:10.46 | cbreak | or wow won't know that it has to save them |
| 21:10.56 | foxlit | Lunessa: Oh, you're going to love the schizophrenia going into the next update. |
| 21:10.59 | Viking | ## SavedVariables: EliteFrame |
| 21:11.16 | cbreak | you want to save a frame? |
| 21:11.22 | cbreak | that doesn't sound like a good idea |
| 21:11.34 | Viking | no not like that haha :D |
| 21:11.34 | Lunessa | Oh? Because assigning some keybinds in OPie was problematic for me. :/ |
| 21:11.37 | cbreak | frames probably contain udata and other non-pure-lua things |
| 21:11.48 | Viking | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11541-EliteFrame.html |
| 21:11.51 | Viking | this |
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| 21:11.59 | cbreak | I like opie. |
| 21:12.03 | cbreak | it's great for portals :) |
| 21:12.04 | foxlit | I decided to split a few things from each other, there's actually no visible impact except that existing code may just stop working |
| 21:12.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i need to get used to using opie for stuff.. |
| 21:12.25 | foxlit | Keybind issues, though? |
| 21:12.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i keep putting it off |
| 21:12.47 | cbreak | Viking: what is in EliteFrame? |
| 21:12.57 | Lunessa | foxlit: I had the damnedest time getting any ring named "Totem: ____" to respond to a key bind. |
| 21:13.06 | Viking | lua code or xml? |
| 21:13.17 | cbreak | they are the same |
| 21:13.18 | foxlit | That... could be my fault. |
| 21:13.25 | cbreak | xml is only used to describe frames |
| 21:13.28 | Lunessa | foxlit: Once I deleted the rings and made them again with the name "Air" "Eartyh" etc, they worked fine. |
| 21:13.37 | Viking | http://pastebin.com/m4a4ec7b3 |
| 21:13.38 | foxlit | Did you end up fixing the original problem, though? |
| 21:13.48 | Lunessa | Oh, and there's no goddamned way to change a ring's name once it's made. |
| 21:14.02 | Lunessa | Yeah, PEBKAC. |
| 21:14.44 | cbreak | Viking: you want EliteFrame_Config in your SavedVariables: line |
| 21:14.49 | foxlit | Perhaps it's non-obvious |
| 21:15.05 | Viking | ahhhh |
| 21:15.05 | foxlit | But you can actually just click on the ring title |
| 21:15.10 | foxlit | And it'll turn out to be an edit box. |
| 21:15.18 | Viking | ## SavedVariables: EliteFrame_Config |
| 21:15.20 | Viking | like this? |
| 21:15.21 | Lunessa | I couldn't edit the name on the Custom Ring screen ... /facepalm |
| 21:15.31 | cbreak | since you want to save the contents of this variable, correct? |
| 21:15.32 | foxlit | Click on name -> type -> press enter |
| 21:15.38 | Viking | yep |
| 21:15.58 | foxlit | It might, however, not change the internally identifier. |
| 21:16.02 | Viking | testing now |
| 21:16.10 | cbreak | Viking: also, make sure to not call EliteFrame_initialize before VARIABLES_LOADED has been sent |
| 21:16.26 | Viking | ah |
| 21:16.29 | cbreak | (you have to rewrite your OnEvent anyway) |
| 21:16.37 | cbreak | the if is totally nonsensical |
| 21:16.39 | Lunessa | But any rings which have : or - in the name save and look right, but don't ever respond to their keybinds. I was using CTRL-F1 - CTRL-F5 for totem and shaman pets rings. |
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| 21:17.08 | lintunen | 'lo |
| 21:17.13 | Viking | woot there is content in config now :D |
| 21:17.22 | cbreak | 'course there is... :) |
| 21:17.28 | bleeter | omg lintunen |
| 21:17.32 | bleeter | HAI |
| 21:17.36 | lintunen | zomg bleeter :-P |
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| 21:18.37 | linear` | questhelper is the most amazing mod for leveling |
| 21:18.52 | linear` | it must be a pain for the author to maintain it |
| 21:18.55 | Lunessa | foxlit: OPie is still love. Even if I have to add Inscription to the TradeSkills ring and fiddle with Portals vs Teleports on my mage. <3 OPie SO MUCH. |
| 21:19.15 | cbreak | Lunessa: portals vs teleports worked for me right away |
| 21:19.17 | foxlit | hm, good point about inscription <3 |
| 21:19.23 | cbreak | (it's the only thing I use it for) |
| 21:19.30 | Pneumatus | QH maintains itself doesnt it, recording quests it doesnt know about, etc |
| 21:19.43 | Lunessa | cbreak: It did for me until I changed the keybind. Now it only brings up Portals. |
| 21:19.46 | foxlit | "You've been spinning for 0:19:30" |
| 21:19.53 | foxlit | Lunessa: latest version? |
| 21:20.01 | cbreak | maybe your binding consumes the modifiers? |
| 21:20.02 | Lunessa | grabbed from WoWI last night. |
| 21:20.11 | foxlit | That so means I have to update |
| 21:20.23 | Lunessa | CTRL-F1. I only have 3 buttons on my mouse. |
| 21:20.30 | foxlit | Yeah, known, fixed. |
| 21:20.37 | foxlit | But not released :/ |
| 21:20.48 | Lunessa | Ah. |
| 21:20.56 | foxlit | (latest would show portals, but actually cast teleports) |
| 21:21.38 | Lunessa | I decided OPie might serve me better than YATA for totems. I was right. And i now have much less crasp on my screen and still fast access. |
| 21:21.42 | Viking | wow now it works perfect |
| 21:21.42 | foxlit | It all stems from me having to do /cast parsing myself |
| 21:21.46 | Viking | rewritten onevent now |
| 21:22.01 | Viking | but still require a console reloadui to get updated |
| 21:22.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: >.> i tried opie for totems, i still didn't like how slow it felt. :\ |
| 21:22.42 | Viking | now i need to make it call onevent after cancelorload |
| 21:23.03 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I use a macro for my default 4 and OPie to drop special case totems. |
| 21:23.04 | NightHawkTheSane | but i'm a "4x6 block of action buttons" kind of guy, for totems |
| 21:23.13 | Viking | oh wait thats a stack overflow |
| 21:23.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: ah, that's not a bad idea, a macro, though? |
| 21:23.29 | cbreak | Viking: no |
| 21:23.37 | Lunessa | foxlit: One other thing... "Left-click to activate" should probably be defualt. :P |
| 21:23.47 | cbreak | Viking: what you need to do is to refactor the visual change code in an other function |
| 21:23.54 | foxlit | Shamans are so evil :) |
| 21:23.55 | Viking | yes yes :D clever |
| 21:23.55 | cbreak | and call that when the config changes |
| 21:24.01 | foxlit | Either that or haven't played enough crysis. |
| 21:24.02 | cbreak | or when OnEvent is called |
| 21:24.04 | Viking | nice idea cbreak |
| 21:24.06 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah, a castsequence that also cancels Ghostwolf and starts attacking. |
| 21:24.13 | Viking | so i can split onevent in 2 parts |
| 21:24.15 | cbreak | because OnEvent also calls init, and you don't want to do that twice |
| 21:24.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i'm curious, can you pastey that for me? |
| 21:24.41 | Lunessa | Yeah.. Let me see if I have it on this machine. |
| 21:25.08 | NightHawkTheSane | thanks :) my main issue with totems is that i often am switching between "melee" and "caster" totem sets. |
| 21:26.30 | Lunessa | I found a slightly older version of it on this machine. Updating it then I'll pastey. |
| 21:26.43 | cbreak | Viking: show me the result :) |
| 21:26.57 | Viking | ye working on it now :D |
| 21:27.02 | bleeter | ~comfort lintunen |
| 21:27.02 | purl | There, there, lintunen. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:27.54 | lintunen | eh, why thanks |
| 21:29.25 | |pez| | Aww, no new TV for us this week. ;__; |
| 21:29.36 | cbreak | TV is overrated. |
| 21:30.17 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100580-3mgh |
| 21:30.23 | |pez| | cbreak: it's for use with consoles, downloaded TV-series, and DVDs (and I guess BlueRay at some point ) |
| 21:30.36 | cbreak | oh, a bluray user! |
| 21:30.38 | Lunessa | Those get me through. :) |
| 21:30.48 | cbreak | first one I met :) |
| 21:30.59 | |pez| | cbreak: Don't have it yet, but BlueRay did win over HDDVD. |
| 21:31.19 | Viking | cbreak: WORKS |
| 21:31.30 | Viking | when i press okay it changes :D |
| 21:31.56 | Viking | still havent split OnEvent in 2 yet.. |
| 21:32.45 | cbreak | Viking: you should never call your OnEvent method yourself |
| 21:33.01 | foxlit | -1 should never |
| 21:33.02 | cbreak | it's bad style :) |
| 21:33.20 | cbreak | it complicates the program flow |
| 21:33.26 | Viking | http://pastebin.com/m7dfe0e29 |
| 21:33.46 | bleeter | ~whalenuke Cairenn|afk |
| 21:33.47 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Cairenn|afk with his mind powers. |
| 21:34.06 | Cairenn|afk | ~whaleparry bleeter |
| 21:34.07 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry bleeter's attacks. |
| 21:34.09 | Lyn | does there exist some "general" compiler for linux programs? :o |
| 21:34.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: thanks :) its rather obvious when I look at it. Ill have to think about if i can integrate that into how i play. It's probably a lot easier for you as enhance :) |
| 21:35.17 | Lunessa | Yes. I mostly don't worry about dropping totems for casters other than Flametongue. If I need to, I'm wasting my entire talent build. :P |
| 21:35.25 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 21:35.43 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, as resto, i don't have any totem-buffing talents, so i usually drop whatever's optimal for the group at hand |
| 21:35.45 | bleeter | Lyn: like... gcc? |
| 21:36.13 | Lyn | hm? sry my knowledge about linux is about ... small, really small so thats why i ask :P |
| 21:36.15 | Viking | so cbreak, like what you see? |
| 21:36.24 | cbreak | full source |
| 21:36.25 | Lyn | ah google helps |
| 21:36.29 | NightHawkTheSane | but it wouldn't be hard to make two macros like that, one for caster totems and one for melee totems. |
| 21:36.29 | Cairenn|afk | lintunen: you just need to know this one |
| 21:36.30 | cbreak | will look at it |
| 21:36.32 | Lyn | gcc kk :P |
| 21:36.33 | Cairenn|afk | ~lart bleeter |
| 21:36.34 | purl | strangles bleeter with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 21:36.44 | NightHawkTheSane | or, if castsequence takes macro options, just one, with a modifier toggle or something. |
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| 21:36.52 | bleeter | ~whaleslap Cairenn|afk |
| 21:36.52 | purl | ACTION beats Cairenn|afk upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 21:37.01 | Cairenn|afk | ~lart bleeter |
| 21:37.01 | purl | hereby declares bleeter a troll |
| 21:37.10 | Lyn | ~fart |
| 21:37.11 | purl | ACTION farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
| 21:37.16 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I used to do just that. If my group was melee-heavy or caster-heavy, since 3.x I don't worry about it as much. |
| 21:37.24 | bleeter | ~emulate ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:37.30 | |Jelly| | ILY ARROWMASTER! |
| 21:37.43 | Arrowmaster | ! |
| 21:37.45 | bleeter | booo where's yer emulation, sbo? :P |
| 21:38.15 | malreth | this iphone dev talk is like a whirlwind of information... a veritable firehose of knowledge |
| 21:38.19 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: It does take options. You could do that. I just don't because ALT and CTRL page action bars for me. :P |
| 21:38.34 | malreth | i am drunk with knowledge |
| 21:38.35 | foxlit | Hm, wonder what color to make the inscription slice |
| 21:38.36 | cbreak | Viking: you should only call init if event is VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 21:39.01 | Viking | ah ye |
| 21:39.06 | cbreak | and you don't need to set the texture in OnEvent either |
| 21:39.08 | Viking | forgot that |
| 21:39.21 | Lunessa | malreth: Again? I told you you needed to cut back. |
| 21:39.23 | cbreak | you can just call OnPortraitChanged, right? |
| 21:39.43 | cbreak | at least if you rewrite it to not use the GUI but the config |
| 21:39.59 | Viking | ye |
| 21:40.01 | cbreak | (which you should) |
| 21:40.30 | Viking | atm its in interface/addons |
| 21:40.35 | Viking | at options |
| 21:40.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: ahh. yeah, i don't ever change action bar pages. I should probably worry less about dropping optimal totems, anyway. *shrug* ah well. thanks again :) |
| 21:42.36 | Viking | cbreak: xml http://pastebin.com/m6f9cf917 |
| 21:43.14 | cbreak | I mean, inside OnPortraitChange you don't do if (EliteFrameGUI_Rare:GetChecked()) then |
| 21:43.19 | cbreak | but you check your settings |
| 21:43.37 | Lunessa | Clad to help. |
| 21:43.53 | malreth | The Best Thing Amazon.com Has Ever Done For The World Ever: http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200285450 EVER! |
| 21:44.15 | Viking | ahhh |
| 21:44.33 | cbreak | 21 windows open in firefox... it starts to get crowded |
| 21:44.45 | cbreak | at least I can use tabs to keep it in check a bit :) |
| 21:44.58 | Viking | cbreak should i make it check for both variable and Getchecked or just variable alone? |
| 21:45.11 | cbreak | just the variable |
| 21:45.12 | Viking | because close save the Getchecked |
| 21:45.20 | cbreak | only the button handler should care about the GUI imho |
| 21:45.27 | NeoTron | malreth: that's pretty hot yes. I read about it today. Interesting Amazon has the clout to get manufacturers to get sane (note: I work at amazon) |
| 21:45.49 | malreth | changing the world... one box at a time |
| 21:46.36 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: pfft. i linked that like an hour ago |
| 21:46.48 | Viking | but how can i make it know that the variable is saved when pressing button? if not using getchecked, mostly saved variables wont save before after reload |
| 21:46.51 | cbreak | btw Viking, you don't need to create anonymous functions for pannel.okay |
| 21:46.52 | malreth | i was drinking from the firehose an hour ago |
| 21:46.55 | malreth | so nyah |
| 21:46.57 | cbreak | you can just pass your own functions |
| 21:47.09 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: but it is rather neat. |
| 21:47.12 | Viking | using commands? :D |
| 21:47.18 | cbreak | Viking: they are always only saved on reload or logout |
| 21:47.28 | cbreak | there is no way to save saved variables earlier |
| 21:47.32 | malreth | time for more firehose... later |
| 21:47.38 | Viking | i see |
| 21:47.40 | foxlit | I've realized I need better session search in my IRC client |
| 21:47.46 | cbreak | but that doesn't matter to you |
| 21:47.52 | cbreak | since you don't check on disk |
| 21:47.53 | *** part/#wowuidev Beladona (n=Beladona@24.129.136.26) |
| 21:47.55 | cbreak | you check in memory |
| 21:48.04 | Viking | ye |
| 21:48.06 | malreth | oh god... this guy says, "if you thought the first half of the day was fast, get ready for the firehose." 25 minutes to cover all of UIKit |
| 21:48.08 | foxlit | So I my short-term memory is failing at giving me a name :/ |
| 21:48.12 | malreth | later |
| 21:48.14 | cbreak | and you change the memory representation in EliteFrameOptions_Close |
| 21:48.49 | foxlit | "Lunessa: foxlit: I had the damnedest time getting any ring named "Totem: ____" to respond to a key bind." |
| 21:48.51 | foxlit | there. |
| 21:49.01 | foxlit | Confirmed, fixed locally. Blizzard is being silly |
| 21:49.16 | Viking | cbreak: if (EliteFrame_Config.Rare == 1) or (EliteFrameGUI_Rare:GetChecked()) then |
| 21:49.22 | cbreak | no |
| 21:49.27 | cbreak | why do you want to check the GUI? |
| 21:49.34 | cbreak | you only need to do that in EliteFrameOptions_Close |
| 21:49.41 | cbreak | after that your settings are updated |
| 21:49.44 | cbreak | and you can just rely on those |
| 21:49.49 | foxlit | (internal representation of a binding is a string with a colon delimiter. Telling it to click ExampleButton:WithColon with the "use" button clicks the ExampleButton with the "WithColon:use" button) |
| 21:50.05 | Fisker- | ~fart |
| 21:50.05 | purl | ACTION farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
| 21:50.15 | Viking | i see so it can still read if the variable changed in memory but not on disk? |
| 21:50.29 | cbreak | you can not access disk |
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| 21:50.43 | cbreak | wow will load it after your addon has been loaded, and then call VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 21:50.52 | Viking | haha i see now :P |
| 21:50.54 | Arrowmaster | "16:50:21 Jelly molests Tokrim endlessly." |
| 21:50.56 | cbreak | and when you log out, it will read the variable from memory and write it to disk |
| 21:51.00 | Arrowmaster | i think |Jelly| has a thing for orcs |
| 21:51.02 | Viking | didnt understand that logic yet |
| 21:51.08 | cbreak | it's a bit like a persistent variable |
| 21:51.17 | Viking | ye |
| 21:51.23 | cbreak | you can think of it as a variable that survives logouts |
| 21:51.38 | cbreak | (not exactly, but it's close) |
| 21:51.41 | Viking | and if game crash it wont save |
| 21:51.50 | Viking | like any other addon |
| 21:52.00 | cbreak | depends |
| 21:52.10 | cbreak | if you crash via a server problem it will save |
| 21:52.18 | cbreak | (disconnect or something like that) |
| 21:52.22 | cbreak | if the client crashes, no saving |
| 21:52.23 | Viking | yep |
| 21:52.43 | Viking | if (EliteFrame_Config.Rare == 1) then |
| 21:52.46 | Viking | nothing less or more |
| 21:52.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: ping? :) |
| 21:52.55 | cbreak | yeah. |
| 21:53.11 | foxlit | "You've been spinning for 0:52:54." |
| 21:53.21 | foxlit | The interesting thing is that it just becomes noise. |
| 21:53.41 | cbreak | and in OnEvent you would have if (event == "VARIABLES_LOADED") EliteFrame_OnPortaitChange() end; |
| 21:53.43 | cbreak | more or less |
| 21:53.52 | cbreak | of course, first check for nil, and if so, create defaults |
| 21:53.56 | cbreak | (call init) |
| 21:54.39 | cbreak | in some of my addons I have OnLoad methods that delete themselfs after being used once |
| 21:54.41 | cbreak | to save on memory |
| 21:54.45 | cbreak | I doubt it matters though :) |
| 21:55.26 | Viking | hehe |
| 21:55.35 | Viking | you named cbreak on wowinterface? |
| 21:55.43 | cbreak | no |
| 21:55.45 | cbreak | "Dust" |
| 21:55.55 | cbreak | my addons aren't that impressive though :) |
| 21:56.08 | |pez| | Dust means something funny in Norwegian. |
| 21:56.16 | Viking | so your norweigan? |
| 21:56.18 | Viking | because im also lol |
| 21:56.19 | cbreak | no |
| 21:56.28 | Viking | dust means idiot |
| 21:56.30 | Viking | :D |
| 21:56.30 | cbreak | from switzerland |
| 21:56.32 | cbreak | ... |
| 21:56.37 | cbreak | dust means DUST |
| 21:56.49 | Viking | norwegian > english |
| 21:56.50 | cbreak | like what is left when a mage is done with you... |
| 21:56.50 | |pez| | Another one bites the dust! dundundundun |
| 21:57.02 | cbreak | ... I've never heard that one before... |
| 21:57.06 | Viking | DUST > IDIOT |
| 21:57.35 | |pez| | Viking: Shh, let them have their english. |
| 21:57.39 | Viking | ^^ |
| 21:57.50 | Viking | thanks alot for help cbreak |
| 21:57.52 | Viking | helped lots |
| 21:58.05 | cbreak | Dust is a general name for minute solid particles with diameters less than 500 micrometers. Dust occurs in the atmosphere from various sources such as soil dust lifted up by wind, volcanic eruptions, and pollution. |
| 21:58.17 | cbreak | (and no, I am not a gnome...) |
| 21:58.28 | cbreak | no problem Viking :) |
| 21:58.32 | Viking | btw |
| 21:58.38 | Viking | i should call init before doing portait job? |
| 21:59.18 | |pez| | I need to stop letting the boyfriend touch me ( no, not any naughty places! ) when he has made food with chili in it. |
| 21:59.30 | |pez| | cause damn, chili stings. No matter where it is. |
| 22:01.36 | Antiarc | NightHawkTheSane: Pong |
| 22:04.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: I've noticed that Sexymap's mover frames get stuck on my mouse a fair bit. not sure what's causing it, though. |
| 22:05.51 | Cide | "DUST" > "IDIOT" |
| 22:05.51 | Cide | err |
| 22:05.51 | Cide | lua> "DUST" > "IDIOT" |
| 22:05.51 | lua_bot | Cide: false |
| 22:05.51 | Cide | ^ Viking |
| 22:07.09 | cbreak | Viking: yes |
| 22:07.20 | cbreak | you have to call init right after VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 22:07.30 | cbreak | after that event, your variables are initialized |
| 22:07.45 | cbreak | but if your addon is run the first time, the config var is nil |
| 22:08.03 | cbreak | and trying to index it will give an error |
| 22:08.13 | cbreak | you can test that |
| 22:08.20 | cbreak | just log out, remove the settings and log back in |
| 22:12.07 | Viking | i see |
| 22:12.25 | Viking | i were afk btw, pizza :D |
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| 22:13.04 | cbreak | good reason to be AFK |
| 22:13.10 | cbreak | although pizza is keyboard compatible. |
| 22:13.19 | Viking | not so sure now, damn much chilli and onions in this pizza |
| 22:13.21 | cbreak | (a few of my old keyboards love to eat pizza :/ ) |
| 22:13.31 | cbreak | ... that's not a pizza. |
| 22:13.46 | Viking | lol i burn |
| 22:13.56 | Viking | crap Oo |
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| 22:15.27 | Viking | if ("VARIABLES_LOADED") or (EliteFrame_init) then |
| 22:16.11 | cbreak | no |
| 22:16.25 | cbreak | VARIABLES_LOADED should only be sent once |
| 22:16.38 | Viking | to start the process |
| 22:16.38 | cbreak | and even if not, you check for that in EliteFrame_Init already, right? |
| 22:17.21 | cbreak | if (event == "VARIABLES_LOADED") then EliteFrame_Initialize(); EliteFrame_ThatChangeTHingieFunction(); end |
| 22:17.25 | cbreak | or something like that |
| 22:17.34 | cbreak | well, you can do it how ever you want :) |
| 22:17.38 | cbreak | I would do it like this |
| 22:17.48 | Viking | no your right |
| 22:17.55 | Viking | im a little confused with the registers |
| 22:18.33 | cbreak | registers? |
| 22:18.40 | cbreak | you have no access to those without assembler code |
| 22:18.50 | cbreak | or do you mean something else? |
| 22:18.58 | Viking | VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 22:19.04 | Viking | this:RegisterEvent |
| 22:19.07 | Viking | stuff like that |
| 22:19.51 | cbreak | that's fairly straight forward |
| 22:20.06 | cbreak | you can still use this? |
| 22:20.27 | Slakah | yup |
| 22:20.39 | cbreak | weird |
| 22:20.48 | cbreak | did blizzard add those stupid global args again? |
| 22:21.21 | cbreak | btw viking, your code is old style |
| 22:21.27 | cbreak | new style uses real arguments :) |
| 22:22.14 | Viking | hehe |
| 22:22.19 | Viking | i used old examples |
| 22:22.33 | cbreak | well, you should change it to new style if you have time |
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| 22:22.43 | cbreak | in WotLK beta what you have now would not work |
| 22:22.45 | Viking | i always put time in to learn new things |
| 22:22.49 | cbreak | would not have worked |
| 22:22.58 | cbreak | apparently they changed it now, since your code seems to work |
| 22:23.16 | Viking | hmm |
| 22:23.30 | cbreak | real arguments are an insignificantly amount faster, and more clean :) |
| 22:23.30 | Viking | want to see my final code? |
| 22:23.56 | |pez| | ... the boyfriend rubbed chili on his eye, in the middle of a Zul Aman(?) raid. XD |
| 22:24.17 | cbreak | sure |
| 22:24.39 | cbreak | that's unhealthy. |
| 22:24.48 | Viking | http://pastebin.com/m574a26ae |
| 22:25.08 | |pez| | cbreak: rubbbing chili on your eyes? |
| 22:25.16 | |pez| | Well, yes, but it was an accident. |
| 22:25.52 | |pez| | He made food a while back, and apparently, didn't wash of all the chili stuff from his hands after he cut it. |
| 22:25.58 | cbreak | :/ |
| 22:26.47 | cbreak | Viking: you have two if (EliteFrame_Config == nil) then right after each other in init |
| 22:26.49 | cbreak | remove one |
| 22:26.57 | cbreak | (I would remove the first for obvious reasons :) |
| 22:27.52 | cbreak | and as said before, you can replace panel.okay = function (self) EliteFrameOptions_Close(); end; |
| 22:27.55 | Viking | ahhh |
| 22:28.02 | cbreak | with panel.okay = EliteFrameOptions_Close; |
| 22:28.17 | cbreak | uses a bit less memory and cpu time |
| 22:29.07 | Viking | ahhh |
| 22:29.24 | Viking | also the same with cancel? |
| 22:30.48 | Viking | works perfect |
| 22:31.14 | cbreak | do you understand why it works? :) |
| 22:31.32 | Viking | nope |
| 22:31.48 | Viking | when clicking okey it just call the function instantly? |
| 22:31.53 | cbreak | because you want to store a function in panel.okay |
| 22:32.00 | cbreak | I have no idea |
| 22:32.06 | cbreak | I haven't used that API |
| 22:32.17 | Viking | ahh |
| 22:32.21 | cbreak | but it probably does something like panel.okay(argument1, argument2) |
| 22:32.22 | Viking | so i have 2 functions less this way |
| 22:32.23 | Viking | ^^ |
| 22:32.24 | cbreak | or what ever |
| 22:32.46 | cbreak | and Lua ignores arguments that are unused |
| 22:33.58 | cbreak | functions are values you can pass around. |
| 22:33.59 | Viking | i think its ready for a release now |
| 22:34.06 | cbreak | well... |
| 22:34.13 | cbreak | I would change it to use real arguments :) |
| 22:35.10 | Viking | uses 11kb of my ram!! |
| 22:35.12 | Viking | insane |
| 22:35.14 | Viking | :D |
| 22:35.28 | Viking | however it goes down to 4kb |
| 22:35.31 | Viking | after a few seconds |
| 22:35.38 | cbreak | I have some that use less... |
| 22:35.42 | cbreak | (I think) :) |
| 22:35.49 | cbreak | they provide just one function though |
| 22:35.59 | Viking | ah |
| 22:36.14 | Viking | know where i can read about how to use the real arguments? |
| 22:36.18 | cbreak | Although I can't imagine that ArtPad uses a lot of memory when inactive |
| 22:36.35 | cbreak | I think there was something on wowwiki from a really ancient patch |
| 22:36.43 | cbreak | maybe 2.1 or 2.2, or even 2.3 |
| 22:36.48 | cbreak | (in the patch notes) |
| 22:37.06 | Viking | jm k |
| 22:37.08 | Viking | hm* |
| 22:38.28 | cbreak | basically, instead of blub_OnEvent() you would have blub_OnEvent(frame, event, ...) (I think) |
| 22:38.38 | cbreak | would have to look up the exact syntax |
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| 22:38.52 | cbreak | and of course, in your case, you would have to relay the arguments in your xml code |
| 22:39.04 | cbreak | if you set the functions directly with SetScript that's not needed |
| 22:39.14 | cbreak | (but that's more things to read up on :) |
| 22:39.51 | Viking | i see |
| 22:39.53 | Viking | more efficent |
| 22:40.02 | cbreak | for several reasons |
| 22:40.20 | Viking | so it calls only the arguments if needed |
| 22:40.33 | cbreak | uhm... well... |
| 22:40.49 | cbreak | the arguments are passed anyway, but you ignore them |
| 22:40.58 | cbreak | but accessing arguments is faster than globals |
| 22:41.28 | cbreak | there are other places where things would change for you |
| 22:41.34 | cbreak | like where you use "this" |
| 22:41.45 | cbreak | you would get it as argument, which is traditionally called self |
| 22:41.58 | cbreak | (you can call it this if you want, but that might cause confusion) |
| 22:42.22 | Viking | ye |
| 22:44.13 | Viking | http://www.wowwiki.com/Function_arguments |
| 22:45.04 | Lunessa | Sanity check: local i=(GetRaidTargetIndex("target")) if i~=8 then SetRaidTarget("target", 8) end - correct? |
| 22:45.51 | cbreak | hmm... I think so. If GetRaidTargetIndex and SetRaidTarget exist and do what I think they do |
| 22:46.06 | Viking | maybe i should make eliteframe into a real unitframe addon |
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| 22:46.19 | Viking | which can customize the playerframe alot |
| 22:47.07 | cbreak | that's about 10 to 100 times as complicated :) |
| 22:47.20 | cbreak | you'd have to use secure templates or those new handler things |
| 22:47.39 | cbreak | secure templates are complicated enough to remove any desire for me to try to understand them |
| 22:47.50 | cbreak | and handlers are still only sparsely documented |
| 22:47.56 | abnormali7y | Wuts up guys, I'm a software developer, experienced in c++, php, and java. I was just wanting to play around with the wow addon development base, and was wondering if anyone could get me started on the right foot. |
| 22:48.15 | cbreak | abnormali7y: http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Interface_customization is nice |
| 22:48.22 | Lunessa | ~wowprogramming |
| 22:48.22 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 22:48.22 | cbreak | also http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html |
| 22:48.45 | abnormali7y | thanks |
| 22:49.12 | Dewin | Ever tried to do a hd replacement when you feel extremely sick? It's not fun. >.> |
| 22:49.30 | cbreak | I did a hd upgrade when I was sick |
| 22:49.43 | cbreak | spent the next week in bed so couldn't even test if it worked properly :/ |
| 22:49.58 | Dewin | *both* of the HDs in my wife's computer are reporting failures. |
| 22:50.03 | Dewin | So much for raid 1. |
| 22:50.08 | cbreak | uh oh... |
| 22:50.13 | cbreak | backup time |
| 22:50.28 | Viking | cbreak, i upload this one as 0.2 |
| 22:50.33 | Dewin | They're still *mostly* working |
| 22:50.44 | Dewin | I don't know what's going to be honest, I think it might be the raid controller |
| 22:50.48 | cbreak | _backup_time_! |
| 22:51.03 | Dewin | But it's really hard to install the replacement when every 5 minutes I feel nauseous |
| 22:51.47 | cbreak | :/ it was easy in my computer. slide out the drive bay, put the drive in, slide back. |
| 22:51.56 | Dewin | hah... I wish. |
| 22:52.07 | Dewin | I have to either pull the memory or pull the video card to get the damn thing to fit. |
| 22:52.12 | cbreak | :( |
| 22:52.38 | cbreak | it was my fourth hard disk. having a big case has it's benefits :) |
| 22:52.47 | bleeter | woots... earlier Alert *AND* no reference to silly regionalisions |
| 22:53.10 | Dewin | cbreak: I love my case. I absolutely hate hers. |
| 22:53.46 | Dewin | I'm about to just give up on this whole ordeal and tell her to fix it herself |
| 22:53.46 | abnormali7y | compaq case? |
| 22:53.54 | Dewin | it's taken me AN HOUR to do something I can normally do in 5 minutes |
| 22:54.26 | Lunessa | Sorry man. |
| 22:54.59 | Dewin | Of course... her computer works fine on days we DON'T have raids |
| 22:55.33 | cbreak | could you raid while feeling ill? :/ |
| 22:55.56 | Tekkub | http://checkyesorno.info/157 |
| 22:55.58 | Dewin | if I can get this crap done I can take a nap for a few hours. |
| 22:57.08 | cbreak | http://checkyesorno.info/157 is crap, it uses java script |
| 22:57.14 | cbreak | for two simple links... |
| 22:57.34 | Tekkub | JS that probably doesn't work on IE6 :) |
| 22:58.01 | Viking | haha |
| 22:58.06 | Viking | firefox3 ftw |
| 22:58.16 | cbreak | it doesn't work on firefox3 with java script disabled either... :) |
| 22:58.25 | cbreak | (and it didn't work with cookies disabled either...) |
| 22:58.25 | Viking | JS is on by default |
| 22:58.40 | cbreak | I know... my firefox is not default, it's paranoid :) |
| 22:58.46 | Dewin | worked fine for me without even paying attention to the fact that noscript killed it. |
| 22:58.47 | Viking | noscript? |
| 22:58.54 | cbreak | oh yes... :) |
| 22:59.14 | Viking | i dont visit so much random sites :P been without it for months now |
| 22:59.24 | cbreak | maybe my problem was that I had cookies disabled |
| 22:59.36 | cbreak | I use it on all sites, not only randoms |
| 22:59.57 | cbreak | with addvertisements injecting third party code |
| 23:00.04 | Viking | ye |
| 23:00.06 | cbreak | and the always present threat of XSS |
| 23:00.12 | Viking | my windows host file blocks most bad sites |
| 23:00.19 | cbreak | I think for someone as paranoid as I am, noscript is a must |
| 23:00.28 | cbreak | you mean... most bad sites you know of |
| 23:00.40 | cbreak | a blacklist is never good security |
| 23:00.43 | Viking | http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm |
| 23:00.55 | cbreak | white list > black list by some orders of magnitudes |
| 23:04.46 | zenzelezz | RNG, right... raid-rolling stuff and it keeps giving 8 :-p |
| 23:04.49 | [dRaCo] | white lists are way more annoying to maintain, though |
| 23:04.53 | zenzelezz | 3/5 rolls |
| 23:05.07 | cbreak | I wrote an addon for /random 100 rolls years ago |
| 23:05.36 | cbreak | the averages and standard deviation match quite well |
| 23:05.38 | cbreak | over the years |
| 23:06.58 | cbreak | hmm... that is worrying |
| 23:07.11 | cbreak | I have never rolled a single 100 in the past few years |
| 23:07.30 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 23:07.50 | cbreak | but I rolled 13 times the 63 |
| 23:08.14 | Lunessa | LOL " Have you tried "The School"? " http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065154766&sid=1 |
| 23:08.35 | cbreak | http://pastebin.com/d4761aa32 in case you care :) |
| 23:09.47 | cbreak | maybe I should have tracked n/g rolls too |
| 23:12.54 | Viking | care to share that addon? |
| 23:12.56 | Viking | sounsd fun |
| 23:12.59 | Viking | sounds* ^^ |
| 23:13.24 | cbreak | it's very simple. will upload it to somewhere |
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| 23:13.53 | zenzelezz | cbreak: Cairenn might be awake, you better correct yourself to say "to WoWI" |
| 23:13.54 | Viking | simple but cool |
| 23:14.17 | cbreak | I thought of my web server. WoWinterface is too good for it :) |
| 23:16.21 | zenzelezz | bah, the only time Cairenn is ever AFK is when you try to suck up to her :-| |
| 23:17.15 | cbreak | Viking: http://the-color-black.net/dl/addons/MonteCarlo%20Studies.zip |
| 23:17.30 | cbreak | you use it like /montecarlo avg Viking |
| 23:17.32 | Viking | thx :D |
| 23:17.51 | cbreak | but it's UI is quite bad, so if you type a name it doesn't know about, it will dump everything it knows about |
| 23:17.59 | cbreak | which can easily fill your chat log |
| 23:18.39 | cbreak | please, don't look at the code |
| 23:18.47 | cbreak | back then I was much much worse than I am now :) |
| 23:18.57 | Viking | maybe you should make this addon perfect |
| 23:19.11 | Viking | i bet many want a roll tracker |
| 23:19.39 | Lunessa | Cairenn|afk: is like Santa, she knows when you've been bad or good... |
| 23:20.54 | Viking | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11541-EliteFrame.html |
| 23:20.56 | Viking | updated now |
| 23:20.58 | Viking | :D |
| 23:21.00 | cbreak | Viking: the joke is that it's worthless |
| 23:21.14 | cbreak | I've won items with a roll of 1 |
| 23:21.26 | cbreak | and I've lost items with a roll of 99 (or so) |
| 23:21.51 | Viking | everyone want to track their luck |
| 23:21.55 | Viking | not always based that you win |
| 23:22.50 | Pneumatus | losing rolls of 100 are painful |
| 23:23.05 | cbreak | so are losing rolls with 1 |
| 23:23.13 | foxlit | cbreak: What's with the stuff.ext~ files? |
| 23:23.19 | cbreak | backup files |
| 23:23.23 | cbreak | from gvim |
| 23:23.28 | cbreak | back then I worked on a pc |
| 23:23.37 | cbreak | probably didn't remove them before zipping |
| 23:23.57 | foxlit | Why the evil = function(args) style? :) |
| 23:24.04 | cbreak | because I like it :) |
| 23:24.10 | cbreak | I use it everywhere :) |
| 23:24.38 | cbreak | (it's a demonstration of one of Lua's coolest features: functions as values) |
| 23:25.00 | cbreak | but as said before, that addon is old, I've learned a lot since then :) |
| 23:26.11 | cbreak | I didn't find a way to track N/G rolls back then |
| 23:26.29 | cbreak | so it only tracks /random 100 that are done manual |
| 23:29.52 | cbreak | is "Quartz" still in development? |
| 23:31.16 | Lunessa | it was recently updated. |
| 23:32.25 | NightHawkTheSane | it's being maintained. |
| 23:32.40 | NightHawkTheSane | im not sure how much other 'active developement' is going on. |
| 23:33.29 | foxlit | wow so needs a faster patching system. |
| 23:33.40 | foxlit | 6MB patches taking 20 minutes to apply aren't fun |
| 23:33.47 | cbreak | I get a lot of errors with quartz |
| 23:34.05 | cbreak | I think that it makes a copy of the whole file it patches foxlit |
| 23:34.13 | cbreak | and those data files are huge :( |
| 23:34.17 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: have you grabbed the latest from wowace.com/projects ? i'm using it just fine |
| 23:34.29 | cbreak | no, from curse |
| 23:34.35 | cbreak | files.wowace stopped working |
| 23:34.56 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 23:35.34 | NightHawkTheSane | It looks like there was a commit on the 20th that was never pushed as a release. *shrug* |
| 23:36.48 | cbreak | ah well, the errors just freeze the buff bars, the important stuff still works |
| 23:37.15 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that commit says it had to do with 3.0 buff/debuff stuff |
| 23:37.26 | NightHawkTheSane | if you have an account on wowace, you can grab it from http://www.wowace.com/projects/quartz/ |
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| 23:51.35 | cbreak | ~AddonKit |
| 23:51.36 | purl | Located at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ the addonkit is "The World of Warcraft User Interface Customization tool that allows users to tweak and customize the User Interface." |
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| 23:55.34 | bnovc | good afternoon.. i was wondering if it is possible to draw a line or a dot on the screen? i don't see any references to it in the API ... i saw a graphlib but it is very outdated |
| 23:56.26 | [dRaCo] | definitly possible |
| 23:56.35 | [dRaCo] | requires a frame to draw on, though |
| 23:56.58 | [dRaCo] | and last I heard, graphLib is still used by Recount, so it probably still works |
| 23:57.16 | TC-Away | "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself." -Mark Twain |
| 23:57.28 | bnovc | so i should use graphlib if i want to do that? is it possible to just draw a dot so i can draw a shape by hand with some dots |
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| 23:58.09 | cbreak | bnovc: you can |
| 23:58.15 | [dRaCo] | Never used graphlib myself, so you've gotta check that yourself. but yeah, that's what I'd try first |
| 23:58.21 | cbreak | I do it in my addon artpad if you want to look at it |
| 23:58.28 | bnovc | i would love to... will find it thanks |
| 23:58.29 | cbreak | it's fairly simple, using a texture of a line |
| 23:58.35 | cbreak | and just making new instances of it |
| 23:58.41 | cbreak | rotating the texture as needed |
| 23:58.42 | bnovc | oh... so you just draw 1 pixel lines? |
| 23:58.45 | cbreak | (and scaling) |
| 23:58.53 | cbreak | 1 pixel wide |
| 23:58.59 | cbreak | variable length |
| 23:59.07 | bnovc | that sounds really inefficient but i guess the best i'll get, thanks |
| 23:59.55 | cbreak | I had an earlier version that used a pixel grid |
