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| 00:04.59 | Cidan | Shirik: I was in the shower, you big meany |
| 00:05.05 | Cidan | Shirik: Let me look at it now |
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| 00:05.19 | Amarande | wow |
| 00:05.24 | Amarande | nothing like a zero effort halloween daily |
| 00:05.26 | Amarande | and I literally mean zero |
| 00:05.53 | Amarande | apparently, after failing in silvermoon, I arrived at brill -just- as the fires were being finished and quest credit was being handed out |
| 00:06.53 | Amarande | I always thought it had to see you as throwing at least one bucket at the current set of fires to get credit |
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| 00:28.13 | cbreak | Amarande: provide morale support |
| 00:33.10 | ZorbaTHut | ha ha, someone is in /2 asking where the "lexington of power" is |
| 00:35.26 | AbsoRayne | la di dah |
| 00:44.04 | NeoTron | ZorbaTHut: I spoke enlish |
| 00:50.53 | Dewin | Amarande: I know old topic is old, but I got the "Victory!" buff at Brill... as my night elf. |
| 00:51.13 | Dewin | Was doing world exploration |
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| 00:53.53 | AbsoRayne | Cairenn: ping |
| 00:54.02 | Cairenn | AbsoRayne: pong |
| 00:54.09 | AbsoRayne | Can you do me a favor hun? |
| 00:54.15 | Cairenn | possibly |
| 00:54.39 | AbsoRayne | I dont know HOW it happened, but can you delete the recent version of my UI. Its got a bunch of configs in there that shouldnt be and its crashing a few people |
| 00:55.08 | Cairenn | upload a proper update, then delete the archive |
| 00:55.15 | AbsoRayne | hokay |
| 00:55.17 | malreth | :) |
| 00:55.25 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 00:55.41 | malreth | only i get special treatment |
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| 00:57.42 | Shirik | Cairenn gives me special treatment too |
| 00:57.47 | Shirik | but only when she wants brownies |
| 00:57.47 | Jim-Bim | doesn the wow api allow to display tooltips on disabled buttons? |
| 00:58.16 | Jim-Bim | which are different from the tooltips which appear for enabled state for the same button |
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| 01:06.28 | AbsoRayne | hrm |
| 01:06.32 | AbsoRayne | I think I know what happened |
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| 01:09.37 | Ktron_ | Dear Blizzard, please prevent warlocks from having more hitpoints than warriors. QQTHXKBYE |
| 01:11.22 | Cairenn | AbsoRayne: approved |
| 01:11.27 | Amarande | Ktron: what, so we can go squish even more quickly in arenas? |
| 01:11.28 | AbsoRayne | ty hun :) |
| 01:11.29 | Cairenn | go delete the archived version now |
| 01:12.10 | AbsoRayne | Was just doing that |
| 01:17.04 | Amarande | I don't think I'm getting that title till 2009 on anyone |
| 01:17.15 | Ktron_ | Amarande: I'm a 70 mage and I have 6443 hp, and warlocks have double that AND a pet |
| 01:17.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Anyone know a good & simple mod that will show whether definable set of debuffs is on your taret? |
| 01:17.57 | Amarande | I've been mainly working on my mage, and even if I hire HH runs (since she's still low level), I still won't be able to do the southshore related achievement |
| 01:18.20 | Amarande | and that's assuming I managed somehow to drum up the insanity-inducing amount of patience needed to deathflop all over outland to get candy buckets there :P |
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| 01:25.48 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 01:26.27 | Dewin | Hmm |
| 01:26.35 | Dewin | How versatile is that? |
| 01:26.36 | Dewin | ~weather hell |
| 01:26.49 | Dewin | oh boo, requires a station code |
| 01:28.18 | Dewin | I've seen another bot that was smarter in that regard |
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| 01:46.25 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.34 | NightHawkTheSane | 2 blesssed bands of karabor just dropped, and i'm on my druid, not my shammy |
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| 01:46.59 | Cide | just wait 2 weeks and you'll find a green upgrade |
| 01:47.44 | NightHawkTheSane | nah |
| 01:47.55 | NightHawkTheSane | that wont be upgraded till naxx level, likely |
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| 01:55.47 | Industrial | i plan to get 80 in like 3 days |
| 01:56.00 | Industrial | think I can do naxx asap? :p |
| 01:56.13 | Industrial | well, guess not |
| 01:56.19 | Industrial | its only me and my friend :( |
| 01:56.23 | Industrial | tank+dps :P |
| 02:00.50 | sylvanaar_work | i want to do make 80 fast too...we dont know what the xp rate really will be yet though |
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| 02:02.12 | kd3 | whee, lgag spike |
| 02:05.05 | WobWork | http://www.236.com/video/2008/watch_synchronized_presidentia_9857.php |
| 02:05.10 | WobWork | Someone had a lot of time on their hands |
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| 02:08.44 | WobWork | including the giant "My Friends" chorus at the end |
| 02:11.03 | jojo_ | hi |
| 02:13.57 | Cidan | there |
| 02:14.09 | Cidan | You can now delete windows in conspiracy, *nodnod* |
| 02:14.11 | zlotmaste | hi |
| 02:14.16 | Cidan | NO |
| 02:14.17 | Cidan | DIE |
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| 02:14.39 | zlotmaste | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.43 | zlotmaste | is it possible? |
| 02:14.57 | Cidan | what. |
| 02:15.06 | Cidan | Yeah |
| 02:15.06 | Cidan | it is |
| 02:15.10 | Cidan | Happens all the time |
| 02:15.22 | WobWork | I think he's asking if he can pop a shield before a fireball hits if it's already in midair |
| 02:15.41 | Cidan | You can |
| 02:15.46 | zlotmaste | yes that's what i ask |
| 02:15.54 | Cidan | zlotmaste: Yes, you can. |
| 02:16.05 | Cidan | zlotmaste: It's hard, but possible. |
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| 02:17.34 | zlotmaste | like that and i also move away to avoid fireball that it's already in midair |
| 02:17.46 | WobWork | moving won't change anything unfortunately |
| 02:17.53 | WobWork | if the fireball is targetted at you |
| 02:21.56 | zlotmaste | thank you |
| 02:27.36 | Cidan | Wish it did |
| 02:27.41 | Cidan | wish you could duck behind stuff, etc |
| 02:27.48 | Cidan | or other players, =D |
| 02:28.47 | Tekkub | murrrrr.... how do I make a fontstring wrap |
| 02:28.50 | Tekkub | it's just truncating |
| 02:28.52 | Cidan | You can't |
| 02:28.56 | Cidan | I don't think. |
| 02:29.02 | alestane | Set the height? |
| 02:29.06 | Cidan | oh yeah |
| 02:29.07 | Cidan | that you can do |
| 02:29.11 | Cidan | One thing I wish you could do |
| 02:29.12 | Cidan | is like |
| 02:29.16 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 02:29.18 | Cidan | have the width adjust |
| 02:29.27 | Cidan | to "fit" text |
| 02:29.30 | Cidan | and height, actually |
| 02:29.34 | Tekkub | the width DOES adjust |
| 02:29.42 | Cidan | width? since when? |
| 02:29.48 | Tekkub | since always |
| 02:29.49 | Cidan | width has never adjusted for me |
| 02:30.01 | Tekkub | then you're doing it wrong! |
| 02:30.09 | Cidan | string:SetWidth(10): string:SetText("This is a long long long...TEKKUB SUCKS"); |
| 02:30.14 | Cidan | will display something like |
| 02:30.15 | Tekkub | set one anchor, the fontstring will size itself |
| 02:30.19 | Cidan | This is a lo... |
| 02:30.23 | Tekkub | don't set width |
| 02:30.32 | Cidan | well durr, I know that, but that doesn't work for what I want to do |
| 02:30.45 | Tekkub | then you're doing that wrong too! |
| 02:30.50 | Cidan | D= |
| 02:31.30 | alestane | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_FontString |
| 02:31.57 | zlotmaste | can i get wow attack reponse packet if it is possible? or relevant information? |
| 02:34.29 | Cidan | zlotmaste: I'm not following |
| 02:34.51 | Cidan | zlotmaste: I think I see where you're going, do you want WoW to cast shield when a fireball is cast, before it hits you? |
| 02:35.46 | zlotmaste | yes. |
| 02:36.03 | alestane | You have to watch for it yourself. |
| 02:36.17 | alestane | If the computer casts the spell automatically when it sees that, you're botting. |
| 02:37.08 | Cidan | zlotmaste: WoW does not let a player cast a spell unless you push a button, click a mouse button, etc. |
| 02:37.15 | Cidan | zlotmaste: What you are asking to be done is not possible |
| 02:37.34 | Cidan | zlotmaste: It was once possible long ago, but Blizzard made it so you can not do that anymore. |
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| 02:39.55 | Tekkub | uh, spellcasting has always required a hardware event |
| 02:40.18 | Tekkub | alestane, SetWidth makes it wrap, yatta! |
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| 02:41.06 | alestane | As long sa you don't also set the height IIRC. |
| 02:41.26 | Amarande | Yeah, isn't that the sort of addon functionality they deepsixed in 2.0 because of Decursive? |
| 02:41.55 | alestane | They were already purging event/logic-triggered spellcasts several patches before that. |
| 02:42.48 | Tekkub | yea I don't set height |
| 02:42.51 | alestane | They tightened it in 2.0 to eliminate Decursive and other one-button solutions. |
| 02:43.27 | Tekkub | before 2.0 you could cast whatever, so long as it was triggered by a hardware event |
| 02:43.36 | Tekkub | after 2.0, only Blizzy's code could cast |
| 02:45.46 | alestane | Before, you could do things like push a button that healed the tank, unless the tank was over half health, in which case it would pick the character in the raid who had taken the most damage, and automatically downrank to cast the least expensive spell that would heal them to full. Or other EZmode things like that. |
| 02:47.08 | Tekkub | I liked smart downranking |
| 02:47.18 | Tekkub | but I like the removal of downranking even more |
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| 02:47.58 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.22 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i wrote an addon to do that.. |
| 02:48.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i never published it, so it wasn't whatever you were thinking of, though :p |
| 02:48.35 | Tekkub | I don't know.. .that would have to be a big button |
| 02:48.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: or just bind half your keyboard |
| 02:48.47 | Tekkub | with a good responsive springback |
| 02:48.56 | ScytheBlade1 | And literally /faceroll |
| 02:49.06 | Tekkub | spacebar, then you could twothumb it even faster |
| 02:49.20 | Tekkub | budahbudahbudahbudahbudahbudahbudahbudahbudahbudahbudahbudah |
| 02:49.27 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, you're gcd limited, so speed isnt a big eal |
| 02:49.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 02:49.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Were GCD limited rather |
| 02:50.00 | ScytheBlade1 | When most everything was on the GCD |
| 02:50.08 | NightHawkTheSane | well, were/wasn't, but yeah |
| 02:50.13 | NightHawkTheSane | lots of things still are |
| 02:50.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Lots less are now, in comparison |
| 02:51.07 | alestane | Part of it is that keeping the tank topped off used to be really critical, in case they got hit hard. But with the removal of crushing blows or crits on specials from bosses, it's not quite as important to keep the tank full up at all times. |
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| 02:51.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 02:51.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why we're taking more and more raid damage :) |
| 02:51.30 | alestane | So it didn't matter if you were using every second to heal, you just had to avoid running out of mana. |
| 02:52.08 | alestane | Which means you can take the times when you'd be overhealing and do something else, like spot heal or throw a SW:P. |
| 02:52.42 | Tekkub | Stormwind :P is overpowered |
| 02:54.11 | Cidan | Tekkub: No, it hasn't always required a hardware event |
| 02:54.29 | Cidan | way back before... 1.10? maybe sooner, you could CastSpellByName without a hardware event |
| 02:55.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Earlier I thought |
| 02:56.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I was around with 1.10 and everything I remember required hardware events |
| 02:56.45 | Cidan | Okay, then, earlier |
| 02:57.08 | alestane | There is a UI changes record on WoWWiki for those who care. |
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| 03:14.30 | NightHawkTheSane | is there a list of the group-only buffs left in the game? |
| 03:15.24 | Syzgyn | Man, felmyst is a bitch. |
| 03:15.50 | Industrial | srsly tell her to shut her mouth cause imma .. |
| 03:16.25 | Industrial | D |
| 03:16.25 | kd3 | meh, we just killed brut for the first time... so now more wiping |
| 03:19.47 | selckin | all it took was a patch to double everyones dps! |
| 03:27.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Printing over IPv6 is fun, if for no other reason than my ability to print to my home printer from anywhere :P |
| 03:28.20 | Dewin | ScytheBlade1: but if lp0 catches fire you're not there to stop it |
| 03:28.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Dewin: which is why it's usb0 ;) |
| 03:28.50 | ScytheBlade1 | cups ftw |
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| 03:31.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Entirely unrelated |
| 03:31.36 | ScytheBlade1 | "So if you have SPORE and Red Alert 3 and you get yourself banned on our forums or in-game, well, your SPORE account would be banned to." |
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| 03:35.11 | Cidan | Shirik: btw |
| 03:35.25 | Cidan | made some changes to signals |
| 03:35.37 | kd3 | if only wow forum bans worked the same way |
| 03:36.31 | ScytheBlade1 | They'd probably be down several thousand subscribers if wow did that |
| 03:36.39 | kd3 | oh no |
| 03:36.46 | ScytheBlade1 | And then... |
| 03:36.53 | ScytheBlade1 | The silence would be awesome :P |
| 03:37.54 | Dashkal | woot, finally got a baggins config that gives me a reasonably inscription bag |
| 03:38.18 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: In the commets for that page is a link to another article with EA denying that |
| 03:38.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: http://forums.ea.com/mboards/message.jspa?messageID=4344364#4344364 |
| 03:39.18 | ScytheBlade1 | You can either take it at face value, posted by a (more or less THE) EA employee who does the forums |
| 03:39.24 | ScytheBlade1 | or you can ignore it ;) |
| 03:39.31 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/55656 |
| 03:40.16 | Amarande | "And the customer support phone number you have to call is not free. That's right, you have to pay the company to let them activate the product you just purchased from them." |
| 03:40.25 | ScytheBlade1 | That sounds like a miscommunication between their forum moderators and their PR department |
| 03:40.34 | Amarande | what's the support number ... just a long distance, or do they make you call a 900# when you need extra activations? |
| 03:40.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And tbh given the fact that the employee post I linked still says the exact same thing |
| 03:40.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm more inclined to believe this forum than shacknews |
| 03:41.07 | ScytheBlade1 | (emphasis "still says the exact same thing" - would have been changed by now if that was the case) |
| 03:41.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Said employee goes on in the same thread to restate that they can and will be doing that, and that post is still intact too |
| 03:41.32 | Amarande | like, who these days *doesn't* have some form of free calling within the USA :) |
| 03:42.33 | Shirik | what changes, Cidan? |
| 03:42.43 | Dashkal | I don't trust EA not to just arbratrally ban players anyway with some nasty hidden thing in their EULA *shrugs* |
| 03:42.56 | Dashkal | They've made their product far more valuable pirated than paid for. Shitty business |
| 03:43.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: sh/not to .*// |
| 03:43.53 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: That too |
| 03:44.03 | Syzgyn | Our breath watcher on felmyst just failed terribly |
| 03:44.05 | Dashkal | by the way, what does the 'h' mean? |
| 03:44.06 | Syzgyn | we all got MC'd |
| 03:44.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: tpo |
| 03:44.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: which is why I canceled my RA3 preorder and put it towards SC2 a few days ago. |
| 03:44.22 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 03:44.29 | Amarande | Does RA3 online play get played through EA's servers or through player-operated servers? |
| 03:44.31 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: fair enough there |
| 03:44.35 | ScytheBlade1 | EA's servers only |
| 03:44.53 | Amarande | I was going to say, that would be bad if any 14 year old operating a server could ban your EA account |
| 03:44.58 | Dashkal | I'm not to keen on the new blizz products eather for exactly the same reason... |
| 03:44.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep in mind that RA3's campaign was designed with multi in mind |
| 03:45.06 | Dashkal | Always through their servers.. |
| 03:45.15 | Dashkal | I don't trust Vivendi either |
| 03:45.24 | Amarande | I'm supposing that people who get banned from RA3 or Spore also won't be able to play Dragon Age? |
| 03:45.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i trust vivendi slightly more than i trust EA |
| 03:45.35 | ScytheBlade1 | If you don't have a second person playing with you, it'll drop a AI in place. Or you can go online and play the campaign online (via EA's services) with a friend |
| 03:45.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: anything tied to that EA account |
| 03:45.59 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I'll give you that. I don't expect vivendi to actively try to screw me |
| 03:46.15 | Dashkal | EA I expect to take my money then actively try to cut me off to cut costs |
| 03:47.39 | Amarande | Which I suppose also means that players who got banned from Ultima Online back in the 90s can't play Spore either, heh |
| 03:47.59 | Cidan | Shirik: Uhm... removed random lines of code that look like they were added when someone was half asleep |
| 03:48.04 | Cidan | XD |
| 03:48.06 | Shirik | ... |
| 03:48.10 | Dashkal | eh, you'd have to be pretty stupid to use a banned EA account to register a new game |
| 03:48.42 | Amarande | heh, everyone's complaining that the 'extra activations' phone number for EA isn't toll free |
| 03:48.50 | Amarande | wtf person these days has no access to free domestic long distance |
| 03:48.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That's not really the point... the question is should you lose online access to ALL of your EA games for posting something on a forum? (EA says yes) |
| 03:48.56 | Amarande | doesn't everyone have a cell phone these days? :| |
| 03:49.19 | Amarande | Heh, sounds like no one will post to EA's forums then |
| 03:49.24 | Cidan | ScytheBlade1: I think it's shitty, but, it's their online service, their rules. They can do what they want. |
| 03:49.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup :P |
| 03:49.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan: and I can not buy their products! /nod |
| 03:49.45 | NightHawkTheSane | to be honest, i can't fault EA heavily for that policy, honnestly |
| 03:49.47 | Amarande | On the other hand, does this mean my NWN account at Bioware is now an EA Account? :| |
| 03:49.56 | Amarande | or are those still separate |
| 03:50.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: no, EA has more account systems than most people have fingers and toes. They're sure not supporting those old games, so they won't merge those accounts into these new EA accounts. |
| 03:50.18 | Amarande | (and probably will be merged in some kind of messy merger that will require half of people to change their usernames based on whether they registered with this or that at that or this particular time ...) |
| 03:50.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: all your accounts are belong to EA |
| 03:50.36 | Cidan | ScytheBlade1: I agree. |
| 03:50.40 | Amarande | Wonder what becomes of the NWN2 forums, then |
| 03:50.49 | Amarande | NWN2 is made by Obsidian and published by Atari |
| 03:50.55 | Amarande | but EA calls the shots for the forums? |
| 03:51.33 | Amarande | Yeah, that would be fun if they merged the NWN forum accounts with EA accounts |
| 03:51.54 | Xuerian | Bioware manages the NWN2 forums last I checked |
| 03:52.05 | Xuerian | Unless Bioware's site is moving to a EA account system too.. |
| 03:52.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Knowing EA, it'll only be all games moving forward |
| 03:52.23 | Amarande | next thing people would be unable to even try Dragon Age because EA would come up with some reason to ban them because they posted on an EA owned board that they like a game that isn't EA ... |
| 03:52.30 | NightHawkTheSane | see. this is why publishers are a stupid idea |
| 03:52.39 | Xuerian | You'd think |
| 03:52.50 | Xuerian | But Bioware sold out to EA and Blizzard to Activision |
| 03:52.55 | Amarande | yeah, was Bioware really in that bad a situation that they needed to sell out? |
| 03:52.59 | Xuerian | What the hell is the benefit? Just money? |
| 03:53.20 | NightHawkTheSane | tehse days, primarily |
| 03:53.33 | Amarande | or is the entire -point- of doing business to not intend to run your business for the long run, but rather to only run it long enough to sell out to a giant and then get out? |
| 03:53.54 | NightHawkTheSane | there's still a LOT of sales done through brick & mortar stores, though (and back in the day, when publishers came to power, that was the only distro channel), and publishers usually finance the production & distribution of physical copies |
| 03:53.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Some companies do that, sure |
| 03:54.44 | NightHawkTheSane | theoretically, publishers (like the riaa with music) are an irrelevent entity in a purely online distribution scenario |
| 03:55.13 | Amarande | publishers also try to make their deals look really attractive, since they know they'll rapidly obsolesce if smaller companies decide they're not needed |
| 03:55.18 | Amarande | like with the RIAA |
| 03:55.32 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure that the major reason for the aggressive file sharing lawsuits |
| 03:55.49 | Amarande | were not even so much to do with piracy, but to try to discredit digital distribution of music until they could get a stranglehold on that too |
| 03:56.16 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, its pretty much impossible to do that though |
| 03:56.38 | Amarande | i.e., it wasn't so much about the sales losses from people downloading, as getting the public to believe 'Only dirty thieves use MP3s, good people get their music in DRM-protected formats controlled by us' |
| 03:57.08 | Amarande | Otherwise, small time artists might start selling their stuff in mp3 and then where's the business? |
| 03:59.28 | Xuerian | Yep. |
| 04:01.15 | kd3 | whee |
| 04:01.31 | kd3 | [00:01:02] [You] died Unknown. |
| 04:01.59 | kd3 | gotta love those unknown deaths |
| 04:02.26 | Syzgyn | Woo felmyst down on the last attempt |
| 04:02.27 | Xuerian | I've heard electrons can cause short term memory loss. |
| 04:02.42 | Xuerian | You should probably stop sticking your finger into the wall socket. |
| 04:03.10 | kd3 | but I /like/ feeling all tingly |
| 04:11.46 | NightHawkTheSane | hey, that wall socket attacked ME. |
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| 04:23.53 | molgar | anyone know if its possible to remove the "realm name" in this line ; fontstring:SetText(UnitName("TARGET")) |
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| 04:27.55 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, it is possible |
| 04:29.01 | Syzgyn | Wow, Eredar Twins trash sucks |
| 04:30.58 | Amarande | yeah, but admit it, you want to take the Eredar Twins to bed with you :) |
| 04:31.05 | Amarande | ... did I say that. |
| 04:32.13 | Amarande | ah well. |
| 04:32.15 | Amarande | happy halloween |
| 04:40.12 | Cidan | OH SHIT |
| 04:40.13 | Cidan | YEAH |
| 04:59.19 | Corrodias | i know i do |
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| 05:17.54 | ccox | crap, beta client crashes a lot in dalaran |
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| 05:31.21 | Shirik | halloween of the have happiness |
| 05:31.27 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Halloween! oooOOOooo |
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| 05:35.28 | Shirik | HI CIDAN |
| 05:35.30 | Shirik | go to sleep |
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| 06:07.16 | Shaone | Is there an easy way to dynamically stretch a frame to the width of text each time the text changes? Or do I have to set a new width based on the text length? |
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| 07:00.15 | Antiarc | Shaone: The latter |
| 07:00.26 | Antiarc | fontString:GetStringWidth() works though |
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| 07:11.30 | Syzgyn | So from http://hauntedhousemagazine.com/uploaded_images/joker-724670.jpg to http://i37.tinypic.com/303kehy.jpg |
| 07:11.37 | Syzgyn | Gonna make a bad ass pumpkin |
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| 07:18.52 | Nephyrin | Ahoy! |
| 07:20.13 | Nephyrin | Question: is it at all possible to auto-interact with a vendor when near one? IE, open a vendor frame whenever you're within proximity of (or even just when you target) one |
| 07:21.26 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, by right clicking on the vendor |
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| 07:22.32 | Nephyrin | Obviously... I mean via an addon ;-P |
| 07:22.38 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 07:23.17 | Nephyrin | So if someone were standing near the spawn of, say, timmy, and instantly auto-looting his kitten when he spawns before he's even visible, he's probably doing something illegal? |
| 07:24.01 | NightHawkTheSane | not necessarily. |
| 07:24.20 | Syzgyn | the auto-looting part is legit |
| 07:24.50 | Nephyrin | I've been trying to get timmy - I have a addon rigged up that auto-buys kittens seen on vendors, but it's always out of timmy's inventory before i even get it open |
| 07:24.52 | Syzgyn | there's a decent chance he's just seeing timmy before you, and all he has to do is right click and bam, kitty for hi. |
| 07:25.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 07:25.21 | nevcairiel | the white kitten? i got it on the AH for 15g or something |
| 07:25.26 | Nephyrin | The problem is, i was literally right-click spamming his spawn point just now |
| 07:25.51 | Syzgyn | Lag, Better PC, Luckier. Take your pick. |
| 07:25.52 | Nephyrin | he spawned, took a step, and then stopped and the window opened (and i got it, the guy wasn't there). But when that guy is there, timmy doesn't even move. He's right clicked on incredibly fast |
| 07:25.52 | Lukian | Nephyrin, he doesn't always have it. |
| 07:25.54 | NightHawkTheSane | it's physically impossible to interact with an npc in any way other than physically right clicking. Now, he theoretically could be botting, but *shrug* like Syzgyn said, he may just be seeing it before you |
| 07:26.29 | Syzgyn | I really doubt someone is using a bot to sit at timmy |
| 07:26.37 | Syzgyn | but *shrug* |
| 07:26.43 | Nephyrin | I understand he could just be click spamming, but i have a just-fine cable connection with a 50ms ping and 60fps, and he's always able to click timmy before he takes a step. And I am. |
| 07:26.56 | Nephyrin | Also, we've sold like 4 white kittens for over 500g each since the patch |
| 07:26.57 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i mean, if you're going to bot.. may as well do it for something more valuable |
| 07:27.00 | Nephyrin | it's absolutely insane |
| 07:27.12 | Nephyrin | so on this server, at least, it would be very worth botting it, if you were so inclined |
| 07:27.19 | Syzgyn | Is he responding to you? |
| 07:27.22 | Nephyrin | Yeah |
| 07:27.26 | Syzgyn | ask him how he's doing it :P |
| 07:27.28 | Nephyrin | he told me he has four accounts |
| 07:27.41 | Nephyrin | but wont tell me what he's doing >.> |
| 07:27.54 | Syzgyn | what would 4 accounts have to do with that o.O |
| 07:28.02 | Nephyrin | He's logged in |
| 07:28.07 | Nephyrin | nearly 24/7 |
| 07:28.10 | Nephyrin | on that level 2 |
| 07:28.28 | Mikk | G15 keyboard macro rightclick spam win |
| 07:28.34 | Nephyrin | It's just a "i'm pretty sure he's breaking the rules somehow" situation. |
| 07:29.02 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a lot of behavior that ought to be perma-bannable, but isn't against policy |
| 07:29.03 | Mikk | Go stand between him and timmy |
| 07:29.08 | Syzgyn | ^^ |
| 07:29.19 | Lukian | ^ lol yup! |
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| 07:29.28 | Nephyrin | Mikk: We rounded up the guild and all stood around him poking him last time and he left |
| 07:29.29 | Mikk | Chances are he's not even looking |
| 07:29.29 | Nephyrin | So that worked |
| 07:29.49 | Syzgyn | Or, get a horde to stand between him and timmy |
| 07:29.51 | Nephyrin | haha |
| 07:30.00 | Syzgyn | he autoattacks and flags, bam |
| 07:30.08 | Nephyrin | contract a horde to backstab him right as timmy spawns |
| 07:30.33 | Aiiane | drop a repair bot where timmy spawns |
| 07:30.39 | Aiiane | so he opens the repairbot window instead :P |
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| 07:32.46 | Mikk | lmao |
| 07:32.50 | Mikk | gogo repairbot |
| 07:32.55 | Nephyrin | that would be pretty lul |
| 07:33.02 | Nephyrin | what's the first item a repairbot sells? |
| 07:33.07 | Nephyrin | He might get a few of those |
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| 07:33.38 | Mikk | Unsure |
| 07:33.48 | Mikk | checking =) |
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| 07:34.28 | Mikk | blackflight arrows at 30s apiece |
| 07:34.33 | Mikk | unlimited avail |
| 07:34.54 | Mikk | it'll fill up his inventory in notime though |
| 07:34.57 | Mikk | then again that's not a bad thing |
| 07:35.02 | Mikk | since he can't shop kittens with full inv |
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| 07:35.52 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/10/30/funny-pictures-you-smile-when-u-are-sadand-look-sooo-innocent-when-i-am-bad/ |
| 07:37.27 | Mikk | (Though it's pretty likely he's using something along the lines of FreeRefills / StealYourCarbon to do the shopping, so he won't actually buy anything) |
| 07:37.41 | Mikk | (But if it's automated spamclicks, at least he won't be clicking timmy) |
| 07:38.14 | Nephyrin | I've lost faith in GMs doing anything about anything |
| 07:38.35 | Nephyrin | when I reported a mage that had *six* other mages following her around, and auto-mimicing the spells she cast with perfect timing |
| 07:38.40 | Nephyrin | grinding through elwynn |
| 07:38.48 | Nephyrin | and the GM flat out said she was doing nothing wrong |
| 07:39.14 | Syzgyn | Nothing wrong with multi-boxing... |
| 07:39.28 | Nephyrin | the perfect timing part means it was multi-box botting |
| 07:39.34 | Syzgyn | negative. |
| 07:39.53 | Syzgyn | One keyboard input -> 1 spell per character = legit. |
| 07:40.02 | Nephyrin | There was one mage |
| 07:40.04 | Nephyrin | leading the others |
| 07:40.16 | Syzgyn | Thats how multiboxers tend to do it |
| 07:40.21 | Syzgyn | the others are on follow |
| 07:40.47 | Syzgyn | You can use a keyboard splitter to send the commands to more than one PC instantly |
| 07:40.57 | Nephyrin | Why wouldn't you just control all at once? |
| 07:41.14 | Syzgyn | I've seen both ways |
| 07:41.53 | Syzgyn | But still, nothing against the ToS there |
| 07:44.06 | Mikk | Yupyup, allowed. |
| 07:44.13 | Mikk | And incredibly powerful. |
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| 07:45.28 | Mikk | http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/retard-rickshaw/86549d1219938409-deathwalker-plans-26-boxing-wow-wowscrnshot082708222739lp8.jpg |
| 07:45.31 | Mikk | ^ Your worst nightmare |
| 07:52.47 | WobWork | I agree |
| 07:52.52 | WobWork | 32 moonkin would have been better |
| 07:53.07 | WobWork | can you imagine the mass moonfire? |
| 07:54.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Hm. How I would I go about determining if dailies have reset since an arbitrary known point in the past? >.> |
| 07:56.29 | nevcairiel | time? |
| 07:56.45 | nevcairiel | 3 am server time is reset, iirc |
| 07:56.51 | NightHawkTheSane | is it? universally? |
| 07:59.01 | Mikk | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH. I FINALLY get it. "Auctioneer Jaxon" = "Action Jackson" |
| 07:59.06 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB1pVo5gTFI |
| 07:59.10 | Mikk | aka stereotypical 80s movie |
| 07:59.46 | WobWork | Mikk: yeah, just today I learned that House and (Wilson) is based on Holmes (and Watson) |
| 08:00.01 | WobWork | damn you subtle references =P |
| 08:00.41 | Mikk | I don't know for SURE that it's the case. But it has to be. |
| 08:02.46 | Mikk | Except it'd have been better if Jaxon had been male and dark skinned. |
| 08:02.53 | Mikk | Not female and redheaded. |
| 08:02.58 | Mikk | Ohwell. |
| 08:03.57 | Arrowmaster | theres a function to tell you how long until dailies reset |
| 08:04.05 | Arrowmaster | but its broken during daylight savings |
| 08:04.19 | Arrowmaster | and always 1 hour off |
| 08:04.24 | NightHawkTheSane | broken as in totally broken? or broken as in an hour off.. |
| 08:04.34 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, it's easy enough to do a DST check |
| 08:04.43 | Arrowmaster | oh really? |
| 08:04.55 | NightHawkTheSane | well a rudimentary one, at least |
| 08:05.13 | Arrowmaster | actually yeah i could easyly hack up some stuff with date() to figure it out |
| 08:05.17 | Arrowmaster | since ive done it before |
| 08:05.20 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 08:06.23 | Arrowmaster | lets see what was it |
| 08:06.40 | Mikk | Nothing at all. Except Action Jackson wasn't. |
| 08:06.42 | NightHawkTheSane | who said there was anything wrong? |
| 08:07.04 | Mikk | Unless he makes references to redheads in the movie. |
| 08:07.09 | Mikk | Damnit, now I got to re-watch it. |
| 08:07.14 | Mikk | Not like I remember anymore :S |
| 08:07.16 | Arrowmaster | lua> os.difftime( os.time(), os.time( os.date("!*t") ) ) |
| 08:07.16 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 0 |
| 08:07.25 | Arrowmaster | --> os.difftime( os.time(), os.time( os.date("!*t") ) ) |
| 08:07.26 | batbot | Arrowmaster: > -25200 |
| 08:07.36 | Arrowmaster | batbot is set for DST! |
| 08:08.12 | Arrowmaster | what was cides |
| 08:08.27 | Arrowmaster | >>> os.difftime( os.time(), os.time( os.date("!*t") ) ) |
| 08:08.35 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 08:08.44 | WobWork | >> os.difftime( os.time(), os.time( os.date("!*t") ) ) |
| 08:08.53 | Mikk | !lua asdfasdfh |
| 08:08.53 | batbot | Mikk: > nil |
| 08:08.56 | Mikk | meh |
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| 08:09.52 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: but yeah thats the best way of checking for dst on the local computer, i have no clue if the api func is bugged because of dst on the client or server though |
| 08:10.25 | Arrowmaster | and i would be a little afraid if it was server |
| 08:11.38 | Mikk | Dailies _DO_ reset at 4 in the morning during dst. And 3 during normal time. |
| 08:11.49 | Mikk | Which is the wrong way unless my head is broken. |
| 08:11.52 | Arrowmaster | yeah sounds right |
| 08:12.10 | Arrowmaster | since im 1 hour off of my server and for me its 5am/4am |
| 08:14.03 | Mikk | Can someone more awake than me do the DST time math? |
| 08:14.15 | Mikk | I seem to remember figuring that it should be the other around the other day. |
| 08:14.41 | Mikk | other way* |
| 08:15.02 | Mikk | As in "maybe they're compensating for DST twice!" |
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| 08:18.16 | NightHawkTheSane | erm, no i think that's right. if it's 3am "normally", during DST, you're an hour "ahead", so that would be 4 am. |
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| 08:19.27 | Mikk | Oh, yeah, you're absolutely right. |
| 08:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | anyway. night. |
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| 08:28.47 | Mikk | Hokay.. thinking of ways of testing if the bank is available (the assumption is that i can't listen for the bank open event) |
| 08:29.01 | Mikk | Checking if the bankframe is displayed is a booboo, since bag addons hide that |
| 08:29.44 | Mikk | One thing I see is checking the second return of GetContainerNumFreeSlots(-1). It returns nil if the bank is not opened right now. |
| 08:29.48 | Mikk | But it feels hacky as heck. |
| 08:29.52 | zenzio | out of curiosity, why can't you listen to that event? Is it not generated if bag addons are overriding the bank frame? |
| 08:30.07 | Mikk | It's because the addon gets loaded via AddonLoader as a result of the event |
| 08:30.12 | Mikk | So too late to register for it |
| 08:31.09 | Arrowmaster | have addonloader call the func that gets called when that even fires then |
| 08:32.16 | Mikk | Meh, that involves writing a fairly sizable OnLoad-Execute |
| 08:33.44 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 08:33.58 | Arrowmaster | look at a lot of other addons that use addonloader |
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| 08:43.44 | Xinhuan | Mikk, in ADDON_LOADED with arg1== your addon, just check for IsLoggedIn(), if its true, execute your event handler manually |
| 08:44.09 | Xinhuan | because if IsLoggedIn() is true, it means it loaded as LoD via some other addon loading it by LoadAddOn() |
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| 08:44.29 | Xinhuan | the bank event that is |
| 08:44.37 | Xinhuan | that's how i did it in Postal |
| 08:44.53 | Xinhuan | i listen for the Mail_open event |
| 08:45.43 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 08:45.48 | Xinhuan | actually Postal does check for MailFrame:IsVisible() |
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| 08:46.23 | Xinhuan | anyway, that's how to solve it at least |
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| 08:49.34 | cladhaire | you're welcome to IsLoggedIn() ;-) |
| 08:49.57 | cladhaire | err for |
| 08:50.12 | cladhaire | ooh 160 KB/s |
| 08:50.16 | cladhaire | this torrent may actually finish today! |
| 08:53.00 | cladhaire | I asked for that function for Dongle of all things, rather than using the hacks that were used in ace2 |
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| 09:00.14 | Mikk | Xinhuan: Actually you didn't. I did. :) |
| 09:03.21 | Elkano | anyone willing to test if OnTooltipSetItem for all tooltips or only for GameTooltip? |
| 09:04.13 | cladhaire | it should be anything that is of the GameTooltip widget type |
| 09:04.24 | cladhaire | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnTooltipSetItem |
| 09:04.32 | Mikk | And yeah the same problem does apply for mail, BUT Postal works with the MailFrame anyway, so if that's gone, no harm no foul. |
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| 09:07.31 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 09:07.35 | cladhaire | glyph of slow fall |
| 09:07.37 | cladhaire | or frost armor |
| 09:07.45 | cladhaire | the former is more useful to say the least |
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| 09:29.03 | keias | I use slow fall myself |
| 09:29.25 | Xinhuan | Mikk: yeah true |
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| 09:50.25 | batrick | cladhaire: I can't believe you asked that question, slow fall is the best minor mage glyph |
| 09:50.47 | WobWork | Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/10/13/funny-pictures-nom-ding-ziiiip/ |
| 09:50.48 | batrick | i cast slow fall all the time now |
| 09:51.01 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 09:51.03 | WobWork | what is the glyph? |
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| 10:37.18 | Lyn | helau |
| 10:37.45 | Lyn | mikma: ein hoch auf die weiÃwurst! :p |
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| 11:21.05 | malreth | bleh |
| 11:26.38 | Industrial | You have no characters eligible for free character move. |
| 11:26.43 | Industrial | GOD DAMMIT |
| 11:27.04 | Industrial | first they fuck up and dont allow me to move while its open, now they close it... |
| 11:27.18 | zenzio | what realm are you on? |
| 11:27.24 | Industrial | ravencrest eu |
| 11:27.31 | Industrial | wanting to move to vek'nilash |
| 11:28.17 | zenzio | I thought they were wanting people to transfer off that one too, or did I misread that? |
| 11:28.30 | Industrial | nop |
| 11:28.36 | Industrial | https://www.wow-europe.com/character/character-move-eligible-realms.html |
| 11:28.38 | zenzio | oh, nope, I see I was wrong |
| 11:29.06 | Industrial | ive been trying to move my char for 3 days but their webapp sucks and fail and didnt let me and kept giving me a stupid error message |
| 11:29.53 | zenzio | what sort of error? |
| 11:30.09 | Industrial | character_move_en_disabled or something |
| 11:30.32 | zenzio | doh |
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| 11:30.43 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.50 | Industrial | yeah, fail! |
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| 11:39.04 | Antiarc | http://war3.incgamers.com/ <-- loooool |
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| 11:41.02 | Kalroth | Antiarc? |
| 11:41.13 | Antiarc | Firefox blocks it as a reported attack site |
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| 11:41.24 | Kalroth | oh :p |
| 11:41.30 | Shirik | http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=http://war3.incgamers.com/ |
| 11:41.54 | Shirik | "Of the 208 pages we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 41 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The last time Google visited this site was on 2008-10-30, and the last time suspicious content was found on this site was on 2008-10-30." |
| 11:41.55 | AbsoRayne | O_o |
| 11:41.56 | Shirik | wow. |
| 11:43.39 | Shirik | yey |
| 11:43.46 | AbsoRayne | I finally broke my loot curse. |
| 11:44.58 | AbsoRayne | Every raid ive been in with this guild since I got in, absolutly NO tanking loot has dropped since the sword from Hyjal, which I lost. a 2 month dry streak on tanking loot. |
| 11:45.46 | AbsoRayne | and last night, The Brutalizer finally dropped, and I rolled a 99 on my T6 \o/ |
| 11:46.01 | zenzio | grats :) |
| 11:46.22 | AbsoRayne | http://hdimage.org/images/txmt78lviuf5ddqpn2l_ocrnhot103108073654.png I feelz so secksay |
| 11:46.58 | Shirik | heh |
| 11:47.05 | Shirik | I will try not to hurt your ego by posting a shot of me |
| 11:47.22 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.23 | zenzio | after having had a break from ~May to late September, I transferred realm and joined a Sunwell guild (as a WotLK applicant)... I've got so much BT/MH loot since then it's crazy |
| 11:47.26 | AbsoRayne | ive seen yours I think |
| 11:47.37 | AbsoRayne | youre in Sunwell gear if I remember |
| 11:47.43 | AbsoRayne | I, personally, loathe Sunwell. :/ |
| 11:47.51 | Shirik | heh, why? |
| 11:48.04 | Industrial | the loot looks crap :P sadface helmets! |
| 11:48.19 | AbsoRayne | It might be because I ran it with a guild that was struggling with it, but the bosses were so bland to me. |
| 11:48.29 | AbsoRayne | I basically stopped caring once I killed Illidan for the first time. |
| 11:49.19 | AbsoRayne | My GM is all about going into there to try to get the first two bosses down |
| 11:49.40 | AbsoRayne | but this guild has yet to down IC, even since the nerf |
| 11:49.48 | Shirik | the bosses are fun imo |
| 11:49.55 | Shirik | but we still do BT too |
| 11:49.57 | Shirik | so |
| 11:50.11 | Shirik | I used to love bloodboil |
| 11:50.16 | zenzio | I developed a "bleh, Sunwell" attitude because my guild wanted to go there before we even took RoS |
| 11:50.17 | Shirik | now it's just bleh since the coh changes :( |
| 11:50.19 | AbsoRayne | BT is my fav instance, minus Naxx which is now on an unaccesable continent for 10 more levels :( |
| 11:50.20 | Mikk | If you can't down IC, I'm thinking sunwell might be ... painful |
| 11:50.22 | zenzio | my previous guild that is |
| 11:50.24 | Shirik | nice zenzio |
| 11:50.35 | Shirik | IC? |
| 11:50.37 | Mikk | Let alone RoS |
| 11:50.39 | zenzio | Illidari Council |
| 11:50.42 | Shirik | integrated circuit? |
| 11:50.42 | Shirik | oh |
| 11:50.46 | AbsoRayne | I love the RoS fight |
| 11:50.51 | AbsoRayne | Personally one of my favs as a tank |
| 11:50.55 | zenzio | Shirik: yes, they 25-man integrated circuits |
| 11:50.59 | Mikk | It's funky as a healer too |
| 11:51.01 | Shirik | :P |
| 11:51.24 | Shirik | AbsoRayne: Because you actually get to DO something? :P |
| 11:51.28 | Shirik | I can't stand being dps |
| 11:51.32 | Mikk | Yuck dps |
| 11:51.36 | zenzio | RoS is so... weird now. I tanked all three faces continually last night, never even saw an enrage |
| 11:51.37 | AbsoRayne | Shirik: Basically :P |
| 11:51.39 | Shirik | I love healing |
| 11:51.47 | Industrial | healing is boring |
| 11:51.51 | Industrial | dps is funnerer |
| 11:51.52 | Shirik | you're boring! |
| 11:51.53 | Mikk | Industrial: playing a pally? |
| 11:52.08 | Industrial | i healed in BC up to MH |
| 11:52.09 | Industrial | sham |
| 11:52.14 | Mikk | about as interesting yeah |
| 11:52.15 | AbsoRayne | I want the tanking neck from Brut though |
| 11:52.20 | AbsoRayne | Gorgeousness |
| 11:52.22 | Mikk | druid healing is teh funz0rz |
| 11:52.29 | Mikk | especially now that we got aoe heals too |
| 11:52.41 | Industrial | just click the dude with least hp, for the duration of the fight, win. |
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| 11:52.48 | Mikk | yeah bit dull |
| 11:52.52 | AbsoRayne | I <3 Wild Growth |
| 11:53.05 | Shirik | man, MATLAB makes me feel like a gangster |
| 11:53.11 | Industrial | lol quoted. |
| 11:53.13 | zenzio | Industrial: wait, shamans have to target people to heal? I thought you just picked the closest person to you and hit CH |
| 11:53.15 | Mikk | WG isn't quite up there with Circle since it's not as spammable... but yeah it is damn nice |
| 11:53.28 | Mikk | zenzio: typically the main tank yeah |
| 11:53.38 | Shirik | I'm doing these things known as z-transforms, and they keep putting "z" at the end of everything |
| 11:53.39 | Industrial | zenzio: if im healing the meelee group yes :P |
| 11:53.53 | Shirik | so I make function calls like residuez([1,-1], [1,-3/4,1/8]) |
| 11:53.58 | Mikk | haha |
| 11:54.17 | Industrial | lol |
| 11:54.47 | AbsoRayne | yay, server restart/ |
| 11:54.50 | AbsoRayne | \o/ |
| 11:54.55 | Shirik | \o/ |
| 11:56.04 | AbsoRayne | Its like a daily thing for Kil'jaeden now |
| 11:56.47 | zenzio | well he is easy-mode now, according to all the hardcore guilds (and the guilds that failed to be server first to kill him after the nerf) |
| 11:57.43 | Industrial | i pugged BT |
| 11:57.46 | Industrial | yes, its easy |
| 11:57.47 | Industrial | ;P |
| 11:57.54 | zenzio | pre-3.0: guild 1 has Entropius at 2%, guild 2 has M'uru at 96%. Post-3.0: Guild 1+2 kill Entropius, guild 1 goes on to kill Kil'jaeden first, guild 2 posts in response "well he is easy mode now" |
| 11:58.00 | zenzio | well then why didn't YOU kill him first? |
| 11:58.12 | AbsoRayne | The only fights in there remotely hard are still Bloodboil, Shazz, IC and Illy |
| 11:58.21 | AbsoRayne | Illy is very easily lost to bad FR tanks. |
| 11:58.25 | Shirik | bloodboil was never hard |
| 11:58.32 | Shirik | CoH ftw! |
| 11:58.41 | Shirik | I take that back actually, there was a point at which bloodboil became hard |
| 11:58.41 | AbsoRayne | I have a total of 4 good healers |
| 11:59.01 | Shirik | that was when we decided to drop down to 2 healers for bloodboil. At that point, I actually managed to pull aggro on bloodboil. Twice. Solely from CoH. |
| 11:59.07 | zenzio | Bloodboil is hard when you have 15 debuffs and the healers keep forgetting you during rage phase |
| 11:59.23 | AbsoRayne | zenzio: exactly |
| 11:59.32 | Shirik | zenzio: That's why we have set people efor groups and they are set to ignore the rage :) |
| 11:59.36 | AbsoRayne | I was taking 5K ticks at the end of the fight tonight |
| 11:59.38 | AbsoRayne | XD |
| 11:59.52 | Shirik | set healers for groups, set healers for tanks, then "everyone else" |
| 12:00.41 | zenzio | we actually had trouble with IC last night... two wipes because the Misdirects somehow failed. I'm not sure if they themselves failed, or if the paladin who pulled aggro was doing something funky... either way, chaos ensued |
| 12:00.58 | Shirik | man.... wtf |
| 12:01.01 | Shirik | this test is going to be so easy |
| 12:01.06 | Shirik | how did I screw all this up before :( |
| 12:01.34 | Shirik | also, I just stepped on a nail |
| 12:01.42 | AbsoRayne | ow :( |
| 12:02.02 | zenzio | wondering if I have enough holiday-time left to take a week off from work when WotLK hits... don't want to get left too far behind my guild :-p |
| 12:03.59 | AbsoRayne | that reminds me |
| 12:04.04 | AbsoRayne | need to check apps |
| 12:04.09 | AbsoRayne | pb_ee1: Halo |
| 12:04.32 | Mikk | zenzio: Our problem is that our mages suck balls and can't be arsed to hitcap so they chainfail on spellsteal. |
| 12:04.34 | Mikk | Joy. |
| 12:04.46 | zenzio | O_o |
| 12:04.56 | Mikk | Indeed. |
| 12:05.07 | Shirik | uh |
| 12:05.11 | Mikk | Having said that, we always kill the fuckers. But we also always wipe once or twice due to the mage going instaflat. |
| 12:05.11 | AbsoRayne | Why even let them raid then? :/ |
| 12:05.18 | Mikk | WTB better mages? |
| 12:05.25 | Shirik | Mikk: If they cba to get hit capped, then I cba to /invite them |
| 12:05.28 | Shirik | simple enough |
| 12:05.52 | Mikk | I dunno, we've been plagued with shit mages since day 1. |
| 12:06.03 | Mikk | It's like a curse. |
| 12:06.22 | Mikk | Good everything else... mages, no. |
| 12:06.25 | nevcairiel | We just yell at players like that, and if they dont re-gem or something for more hit, we just look for new ones |
| 12:06.31 | AbsoRayne | Mages can either be very good, or very lazy. |
| 12:06.40 | AbsoRayne | Same with tanks. |
| 12:07.09 | AbsoRayne | I officially found out tonight why my OT is doing far less TPS than I am -_- |
| 12:07.20 | nevcairiel | Because he sucks? |
| 12:07.22 | zenzio | do tell, this sounds fun |
| 12:07.28 | Mikk | Not enough facerolling and full ragebar? |
| 12:07.48 | AbsoRayne | http://wowwebstats.com/flij5fxmz6jp3?a=x9fc23 My WWS, http://wowwebstats.com/flij5fxmz6jp3?a=x87f7b His |
| 12:07.54 | AbsoRayne | Just look at the top 4 abilites. |
| 12:08.41 | Mikk | He seems to like tclap |
| 12:08.53 | Mikk | Having said that, keeping tclap up is good of course. |
| 12:09.00 | AbsoRayne | Granted |
| 12:09.01 | Shirik | ACK |
| 12:09.01 | nevcairiel | i dont get people that dont spam devastate :P |
| 12:09.03 | Shirik | PAIN, BURN |
| 12:09.07 | Shirik | Evil AbsoRayne |
| 12:09.15 | Shirik | I cannot go to that site, it is too full of blue. Hurts my eyes. |
| 12:09.21 | AbsoRayne | Shirik: What did I do?! ;_; |
| 12:09.25 | AbsoRayne | WELL THATS MY FAULT! |
| 12:09.26 | zenzio | nevcairiel: depends. It's good, but not that great |
| 12:09.39 | zenzio | you've got a ton of options now |
| 12:09.51 | Shirik | much better if it is red, AbsoRayne |
| 12:10.01 | nevcairiel | zenzio: what else are you supposed to do with the gcd <.< |
| 12:10.02 | AbsoRayne | I just dont understand WHY hes not using Heroic Strike. |
| 12:10.13 | Mikk | Is he being hit in the face? |
| 12:10.20 | AbsoRayne | Especially running the same Glyph setup I am |
| 12:10.23 | nevcairiel | zenzio: everything else has cooldown or something |
| 12:10.23 | Mikk | Or competing with you? |
| 12:10.27 | AbsoRayne | Mikk: We trade off tanking bosses |
| 12:10.36 | Mikk | Then he should be using it ofc. |
| 12:10.53 | Mikk | If he's trying to stay 2nd on aggro, HS = wrong. |
| 12:11.12 | nevcairiel | Yeah HS is only good if you are actually being hit |
| 12:11.16 | nevcairiel | or you run out of threat |
| 12:11.18 | nevcairiel | er |
| 12:11.19 | nevcairiel | rage |
| 12:11.20 | AbsoRayne | Hes barely using revenge either :/ |
| 12:11.20 | zenzio | nevcairiel: if you have no options that are off cooldown then obviously you should use it... but most of the time you have *something* that's not on cooldown |
| 12:11.20 | nevcairiel | i mean |
| 12:11.45 | AbsoRayne | He MTd Supremus, RoS and Mother |
| 12:12.02 | nevcairiel | zenzio: granted shield slam gets in the rotation alot more with sword and board now |
| 12:12.04 | Mikk | mhm revenge & shieldslam over deva |
| 12:12.14 | zenzio | yeah |
| 12:12.18 | Mikk | but other than that, spam away |
| 12:12.23 | zenzio | even Concussion Blow is doing a ton of damage now |
| 12:12.37 | Mikk | it's not a +threat ability though |
| 12:12.53 | AbsoRayne | Im just totally puzzled. He runs the same Glyphs, Revenge and H Strike. I almost NEVER run out of rage and im running them everytime theyre up. Its like hes not paying attention to his buffs. |
| 12:13.19 | Mikk | He probably has his keys way too far down on the screen and doesn't notice them lighting up. |
| 12:13.20 | AbsoRayne | Im capping at 2400 TPS and im at 1900 :/ Gear level is about the same |
| 12:13.21 | Mikk | keys=bars |
| 12:13.30 | AbsoRayne | and hes at* |
| 12:13.32 | AbsoRayne | rather |
| 12:14.08 | nevcairiel | i can run 2k in heroics already o.o |
| 12:14.22 | AbsoRayne | nevcairiel: \o/ HS |
| 12:14.23 | Mikk | Meh Revenge glyph... gogo aoe sunder for more fun :o) |
| 12:14.49 | Mikk | Then again shockwave is so imba it's not even funny. |
| 12:14.50 | zenzio | what good is that when everything dies in 5 seconds? |
| 12:14.50 | AbsoRayne | Mikk: I tried it, I just majorly prefer Revenge Glyph since im almost always MTing |
| 12:15.23 | AbsoRayne | and actually, im kinda wrong, the gear levels definatly off. He lost so much HP coming into 3.0 I felt amazingly bad |
| 12:15.35 | Mikk | Yeah I guess your warrior doesn't do much outside of raids |
| 12:15.44 | AbsoRayne | Heroics, Dailys |
| 12:15.55 | AbsoRayne | BSing about Shatt |
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| 12:16.49 | nevcairiel | revenge was free HS, right? |
| 12:16.49 | AbsoRayne | yeah, im looking at his armory, the gears actually way off |
| 12:16.53 | nevcairiel | revenge glyph* |
| 12:16.55 | AbsoRayne | Yup |
| 12:17.02 | AbsoRayne | and if HS crits thats a free 10 rage |
| 12:17.50 | nevcairiel | Well on 80 you can run all 3 anyway |
| 12:17.57 | nevcairiel | I dont really care that much about 70 anymore |
| 12:18.28 | AbsoRayne | Ill miss BT |
| 12:18.30 | AbsoRayne | :( |
| 12:18.32 | nevcairiel | unless they patch in some more warrior glyphs, there only are those 3 prot glyphs that are usable anyway |
| 12:18.58 | AbsoRayne | nevcairiel: Im just anxious to get the Shield Block Glyph |
| 12:19.08 | AbsoRayne | so I dont have to run the SB Meta |
| 12:19.41 | Shirik | ~dict culmination |
| 12:19.46 | nevcairiel | did i miss that one somewhere? |
| 12:19.50 | nevcairiel | wowhead doesnt seem to know it |
| 12:20.11 | AbsoRayne | Did they remove it? |
| 12:20.14 | AbsoRayne | I really hope not |
| 12:20.35 | AbsoRayne | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=43425 |
| 12:20.36 | AbsoRayne | There |
| 12:20.54 | nevcairiel | ah, yeah i found it |
| 12:21.05 | nevcairiel | wasnt in the major glyph cat for some reaosn |
| 12:21.19 | nevcairiel | oh i was looking live wowhead |
| 12:21.23 | nevcairiel | figures .P |
| 12:21.24 | AbsoRayne | I just realized I have 1500 more HP unbuffed than my OT :/ |
| 12:22.03 | AbsoRayne | brb, im feeling eggs and hash for breakfast |
| 12:24.11 | Shirik | quick, batrick, ping |
| 12:24.21 | Shirik | or anyone else that's taken a signals & systems class |
| 12:25.53 | batrick | pong |
| 12:26.25 | Shirik | hey |
| 12:27.22 | Shirik | what's the impulse response of an ideal low-pass filter? (|H(e^jw)| is 1 at 0 < w < c, 0 at c <= w < 2pi) |
| 12:27.26 | Shirik | gogo |
| 12:28.02 | Doow | gaah, don't bring back those bad memories |
| 12:28.13 | batrick | i dont rememebr |
| 12:28.18 | Shirik | bah :( |
| 12:28.26 | Doow | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.32 | Shirik | For some reason I think it's a sinc |
| 12:28.37 | Shirik | but I can't remember :( |
| 12:28.46 | batrick | i sold my signals book |
| 12:28.51 | nevcairiel | Shirik: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jos/sasp/Ideal_Lowpass_Filter.html |
| 12:28.51 | Shirik | haha |
| 12:28.53 | nevcairiel | learn to google |
| 12:28.57 | batrick | if i had that i could probably remind myself and figure it out |
| 12:29.06 | Shirik | screw that nevcairiel |
| 12:29.08 | Shirik | you can't google this math |
| 12:29.11 | AbsoRayne | Anyone leveled a Rogue? |
| 12:29.16 | nevcairiel | look at the page :P |
| 12:29.38 | Shirik | yes but problem is that doesn't tell me what I need to know :P |
| 12:29.55 | Shirik | that only tells me the first half |
| 12:30.05 | Shirik | however, it will do |
| 12:30.14 | Shirik | there was a follow up question for batrick if he knew the first question |
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| 12:31.16 | Shirik | but thanks nevcairiel |
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| 13:23.16 | WobWork | om nomnomnom |
| 13:23.34 | Lopeppeppy | And what is your costume, WobWork? |
| 13:26.18 | Wobin | hm, I'll go for my standard I guess |
| 13:26.23 | Wobin | OES |
| 13:27.08 | [dRaCo] | OES? as in "oh noes!"? |
| 13:27.17 | Wobin | http://tinyurl.com/434p7q |
| 13:27.38 | [dRaCo] | oh, I see |
| 13:33.10 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, puppies don't get candy though, it's bad for them! |
| 13:33.35 | Lopeppeppy | I will be a mouse for the party. Right now I'm a tired and cranky web designer. We look like everyone else. |
| 13:35.02 | Wobin | =( |
| 13:35.53 | Lopeppeppy | Squeeeeeeeeek I tell you. |
| 13:36.17 | Wobin | I was in a mouse costume and everything =P |
| 13:37.02 | Lopeppeppy | I have ears. That's all the costume I'm wearin'. |
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| 13:45.45 | Mikk | *gasp* |
| 13:45.51 | Mikk | peppy in only ears? |
| 13:46.15 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 13:46.21 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, that's for AFTER the party. *grin* |
| 13:46.57 | zenzio | how ironic... now the rest of us are all ears |
| 13:48.14 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, is that the proper nickname these days? |
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| 14:19.22 | Fuzel | could somone give me a suggestion on a good UI mod? i was using mirage before but want to try somthing else, becaus mirage isnt working properly |
| 14:20.21 | Lopeppeppy | I adore Absolute Rayne's Cherry Light, from www.wowinterface.com. Just search addons for Cherry. |
| 14:22.45 | Fuzel | ok, thx ill check it out |
| 14:24.09 | cbreak | Fuzel: I use Dominos, XPerl and a ton others |
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| 14:40.31 | Shirik | whoo |
| 14:40.35 | Shirik | for once I can say that test did NOT kick my ass |
| 14:41.15 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet! |
| 14:41.25 | Shirik | Also, screw my professor, he's evil |
| 14:41.40 | Lopeppeppy | Many of them are, sadly |
| 14:41.46 | Shirik | He threw in this one crazy question that added in a j randomly |
| 14:42.00 | Shirik | And I had to figure out on my own that I can multiply the entire thing by j to make it real |
| 14:42.32 | Shirik | Which sounds obvious upfront, but not when it's embedded in the system |
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| 14:44.38 | cbreak | I don't like maths |
| 14:45.23 | AbsoRayne | I dont suppose the T7/8 Set Bonuses have been leaked have they? |
| 14:46.25 | AbsoRayne | Im trying to keep my steady good ret palis faith in place, granted Blizzard cant seem to stop nerfing them. |
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| 14:47.33 | Shirik | http://mathbin.net/1941 |
| 14:47.35 | Shirik | Screw that question |
| 14:47.44 | cbreak | AbsoRayne: paladins are nothing without faith :) |
| 14:48.14 | Shirik | It's ok AbsoRayne |
| 14:48.18 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: 'Dins in egenral really |
| 14:48.18 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, that question is in greek for me. It's no wonder that's a crappy question. |
| 14:48.21 | Shirik | Priests should replace paladins anyway |
| 14:48.27 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, 'dins got hosed. |
| 14:48.35 | cbreak | Shirik: I have no idea what is even asked... |
| 14:48.43 | Shirik | It's actually not a difficult problem, Lopeppeppy, if that damn 3/2j wasn't there |
| 14:48.49 | AbsoRayne | It just sucks, because I love this girl in my raids. Shes a great player, she knows her things, but every class she has as a 70 has been nerfed. :/ |
| 14:49.14 | cbreak | who cares about classes |
| 14:49.20 | AbsoRayne | Im trying not to lose her, because shes the kind of person I want in my guild. Doesnt want the BS / Drama and isnt afraid to say / do something about it. |
| 14:49.30 | AbsoRayne | cbreak: I do, as a raid leader. :/ |
| 14:49.34 | cbreak | I've been in pugs with the right classes, that sucked so much |
| 14:49.44 | cbreak | I don't and am still raid leader :) |
| 14:50.03 | Lopeppeppy | AbsoRayne, I gave up my holydin in disgust. I'm hoping for a revisit soon, but until then, I'm doing the leveling an alt game. |
| 14:50.44 | Lopeppeppy | I was one of the best healers in my group until we hit the T6 content, all the paladins hit rock bottom and we haven't climbed out since. Discouraging. |
| 14:50.50 | cbreak | mages have been nerfed too |
| 14:50.55 | cbreak | luckily, we still rock |
| 14:51.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 14:51.13 | Lopeppeppy | Paladins can still rock, but the game and our talents are a bit stacked against us right now. |
| 14:51.17 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: You see theyre removing Sharpening Stones and Mana Oils now? |
| 14:51.26 | AbsoRayne | well, all oils. |
| 14:51.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, what? |
| 14:51.35 | cbreak | remove? or just not add new ranks? |
| 14:51.36 | Lopeppeppy | AbsoRayne, I saw. |
| 14:51.52 | geno-afk | less raid cost |
| 14:51.53 | Lopeppeppy | Best way to nerf mana regen I've ever seen. But a lot of people don't agree. |
| 14:51.55 | geno-afk | is the reason behind it |
| 14:52.04 | AbsoRayne | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/19/12065199534-where-are-the-sharpening-stones.html |
| 14:52.07 | Lopeppeppy | Then rebalance mana regen starved classes. |
| 14:52.09 | AbsoRayne | enjoy |
| 14:52.10 | cbreak | I didn't use them... :) |
| 14:52.11 | Wobin | Oh. for a second I read that as "Lucky we still have rock" |
| 14:52.28 | Shirik | Screw mana regen |
| 14:52.34 | Lopeppeppy | I did. Every damn moment of every raid. |
| 14:52.40 | AbsoRayne | I swear...some of these reasons are way out the ass for removing / nerfing items -_- |
| 14:52.48 | Lopeppeppy | This one surely is. |
| 14:52.48 | Shirik | There are WAY too many priests that don't play right and stack mp5 |
| 14:53.10 | Lopeppeppy | "Took away the uniqueness". Damn it, how about taking away my raid utility? |
| 14:53.10 | Shirik | that's so wrong, and it's sad because it seems like about less than 5% of the priest population knows this (holy) |
| 14:53.10 | AbsoRayne | Also, just an FYI, OP Ret Pali DPS was measured on Undead Mobs in Naxx. So gg on that front. |
| 14:53.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I liked whoring consumables :( |
| 14:53.39 | Shirik | I didn't |
| 14:53.41 | Lopeppeppy | Must now go set up to take photos of kidlets. With my crackberry since the work camera is AWOL. |
| 14:53.45 | Shirik | maybe now I can actually keep money |
| 14:53.45 | cbreak | AbsoRayne: I thought it was pvp whining |
| 14:53.56 | AbsoRayne | cbreak: It was everything whining. |
| 14:54.23 | AbsoRayne | God forbid (class A) is out dps'd / killed / hard to kill, (class b) must be OP |
| 14:55.05 | AbsoRayne | brb |
| 14:55.35 | Fisker- | i hate you Shirik |
| 14:55.43 | Shirik | in all honesty, proper class balancing is not easy |
| 14:55.51 | Shirik | because you can't give everyone the same abilities |
| 14:55.57 | Fisker- | just lost 40% durability because C'Thun somehow managed to make the acid debuff persist through death |
| 14:55.59 | Shirik | the point of different classes is that they are played differently |
| 14:56.11 | nevcairiel | pvp should just be a seperate game, so they can do proper PvE balancing :P |
| 14:56.12 | cbreak | there are dps, healing and tanking |
| 14:56.24 | cbreak | the details are not that important, as long as there's a good mix |
| 14:56.34 | cbreak | in my opinion :) |
| 14:56.39 | AbsoRayne | Shirik: I know its not easy, but basically obliterating one specs damage / utility to the point that its no longer viable in any way shape or form =/= balancing. |
| 14:56.51 | Shirik | I never said that was the right thing to do :) |
| 14:57.09 | AbsoRayne | DS Hits weaker than a Warriors Whirlwind, and as Prot on the Beta im Out DPSing them in some situations. :/ |
| 14:57.32 | AbsoRayne | Its bloody awful. |
| 14:57.38 | Shirik | we talking about ret? |
| 14:57.58 | AbsoRayne | Yes |
| 14:58.07 | nevcairiel | Ret tops the DMG Meters right now, whats your problem o.O |
| 14:58.11 | Shirik | Fisker- |
| 14:58.18 | Shirik | solve please ty http://mathbin.net/1941 |
| 14:58.26 | AbsoRayne | nevcairiel: not on the beta |
| 14:58.28 | Shirik | yeah that's what I thought |
| 14:58.33 | Shirik | oh I haven't logged in recently |
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| 14:59.08 | AbsoRayne | Live, theyre ok, when 3.0.3 comes out, game over |
| 14:59.22 | cbreak | yoyoing dps |
| 14:59.22 | Shirik | oh well, point of the beta is to test these things out |
| 14:59.27 | nevcairiel | 3.0.3 isnt done yet, either |
| 14:59.30 | Shirik | maybe they just need to play with the numbers a bit |
| 14:59.56 | Shirik | I really don't think Blizzard is stupid |
| 15:00.05 | cbreak | they are just evil... |
| 15:00.14 | nevcairiel | Sadly, alot of people assume that on circumstancial numbers and out of context quotes |
| 15:00.55 | AbsoRayne | I just throw my arms in the air and let out a big 'WTF' when theyre basing a ret palis higher than normal DPS on an undead / demon boss. :/ |
| 15:00.56 | Shirik | on the same note, I also think theorycrafting is not done in a scientific manner |
| 15:01.00 | Shirik | See if you can spot the fallacy: |
| 15:01.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Already got it! |
| 15:01.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 15:01.28 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 15:01.43 | Shirik | "I tested my ret pally DPS on X mob that takes me 5 minutes to kill, followed by my prot warrior. My prot warrior did more DPS. Therefore, my ret pally has no reason to be in raids." |
| 15:02.04 | Shirik | I think there are several, actually |
| 15:02.11 | Shirik | There are, however, valid concerns as well |
| 15:02.48 | Shirik | nobody? |
| 15:03.18 | AbsoRayne | hang on im looking for a WWS |
| 15:03.20 | nevcairiel | synergy? mana? |
| 15:03.27 | Shirik | synergy is one |
| 15:03.35 | Shirik | ret paladins boost a raid's dps significantly |
| 15:04.40 | alestane | Which has been a struggle for Ret pallies for ages. People who look at damage meters see the pally's lower personal DPS rather than the increase in everyone else's. |
| 15:04.52 | Shirik | People need to stop looking at damage meters |
| 15:04.58 | Shirik | You know what would be interesting |
| 15:05.15 | Shirik | A damage meter that, instead of calculating damage directly, calculated damage contributed |
| 15:05.27 | Shirik | for example, if I increase your damage done by 50, then I get that 50, not you |
| 15:05.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That would be fantastically hard to manage |
| 15:05.38 | Shirik | I totally agree |
| 15:05.44 | alestane | I've thought that would be interesting for ages, but how you you write it? |
| 15:05.51 | ScytheBlade1 | How do you qualify +10% spell crit over an entire raid? |
| 15:06.00 | Shirik | not easily :) |
| 15:06.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, first, you get a list of every spell, then you get a list of every spell that can crit, then you take the critrate and subtract 10% normalized over a long enough period that RNG plays a minimal factor, then you... |
| 15:06.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, and what happens if that +10% spell crit buff goes poof? |
| 15:06.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Even for a second |
| 15:06.56 | AbsoRayne | cant find it |
| 15:07.02 | AbsoRayne | anyway |
| 15:07.09 | Kaso | http://www.theonion.com/content/node/48940 |
| 15:07.14 | Kaso | We are litterally living in 1993's parody |
| 15:07.38 | alestane | Basically, each time someone did damage you'd have to reevaluate their buffs. |
| 15:07.45 | AbsoRayne | Shirik: more than anything, I find it almost disturbing how hard the spec itself was nerfed. |
| 15:07.56 | AbsoRayne | and I fear for my core raiders disapearing |
| 15:08.12 | Shirik | I find it strange, as pre-3.0 ret was rarely thought of other than a boost to the raid |
| 15:08.16 | Shirik | at least, that was my understanding |
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| 15:09.21 | alestane | AbsoRayne: The thing I find odd is, are 3.0.3 ret pallies actually weaker than 2.4.3 ret pallies? |
| 15:09.36 | AbsoRayne | Has anyone played a TG Warrior on the Beta since they dropped the Minus to Hit from 15% to 5%? |
| 15:09.44 | AbsoRayne | alestane: Pretty damn close. |
| 15:10.16 | Shirik | if they aren't, then I can't see the justification for the complaints very well, alestane |
| 15:10.30 | Shirik | I mean maybe it's unfair that ret pallies are the laughing stock of many classes |
| 15:10.36 | Shirik | however it's no worse than what it was a few weeks ago |
| 15:10.44 | Shirik | and I don't remember these complaints a month ago |
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| 15:11.33 | AbsoRayne | The only thing thats been HotFixed onto Live are the JoW and the JotW changes (if im not mistaken) |
| 15:12.09 | AbsoRayne | I can check in a bit |
| 15:12.56 | Shirik | yo gabba gabba |
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| 15:16.52 | Lopeppeppy | Yo gabba gabba is scary |
| 15:17.31 | Shirik | yes it is |
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| 15:24.29 | Fuzel | hmm, is there any good action bars where it is more than 10 bars, rather like 20? i know mirgae have a lot, but i cant make mirage work |
| 15:24.51 | nevcairiel | macaroon? |
| 15:26.02 | Lopeppeppy | Dominos has 10 the standard 10, plus class specific, pet, and vehicle. |
| 15:27.12 | Fuzel | thanks a lot, ill have a look at them both |
| 15:29.18 | Fisker- | btw the new forums will only fuel the "worst class" trend |
| 15:29.30 | Fisker- | not to mention the awsum new harassment :3 |
| 15:33.50 | AbsoRayne | Fisker-: Im avoiding them like an STD |
| 15:34.33 | Lopeppeppy | I'm pretty disappointed with the new forum setup. *sigh* |
| 15:34.53 | kneeki | Why's that? |
| 15:36.02 | Fisker- | same reason why forsaken got removed from having the common language |
| 15:36.17 | Lopeppeppy | Nerfs to paladins. The class forum changes. It's like... playing a hybrid just gets more and more unrewarding. |
| 15:36.39 | Lopeppeppy | Now I have to search three forums in order to get good info on my class? With the search function that doesn't work? |
| 15:36.40 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* |
| 15:36.44 | Fisker- | yeah they probably only made those forums because they nerfed paladins |
| 15:36.48 | Lopeppeppy | Pessimistic Peppy is pessimistic this week. |
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| 15:45.01 | p3lim | yippee |
| 15:45.23 | p3lim | Life is back with season 2 <3 |
| 15:47.04 | Shirik | Life? |
| 15:47.06 | Shirik | Isn't that a game? |
| 15:47.54 | Shadowed | Depends, if I kill you will you respawn? |
| 15:48.07 | Shirik | you don't die in life |
| 15:48.12 | Shirik | you just go to the mansion place |
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| 15:52.25 | keias | It's a cereal! |
| 15:53.19 | Lopeppeppy | It's a lunch meat~ |
| 15:53.57 | zenzelezz | it's a sandal! |
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| 15:56.17 | erikd | i want more Psych episodes |
| 15:57.14 | tiggi | hi all |
| 15:59.25 | Shirik | rofl |
| 15:59.31 | Shirik | National Instruments just called my cell phone |
| 15:59.36 | Lopeppeppy | Is that bad? |
| 15:59.39 | Shirik | they were complaining about my license for their software |
| 15:59.53 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me. That's my official answer. |
| 15:59.59 | Shirik | I'm like "did you even look at the license? It's a sitewide license, it's SUPPOSED to be installed on a million computers" |
| 16:00.29 | Shirik | They just saw a ton of installs yesterday and they were asking about that to make sure it wasn't leaked or something I guess |
| 16:00.46 | Shirik | because we have access to, as they put it "pretty much everything we make" |
| 16:01.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that's the license, people, get over yourselves. :) |
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| 16:02.57 | tiggi | Anyone know about UIparent:GetWidth() an UIParent:GetScale(), im having different value on wow startup and after wow start :( |
| 16:03.29 | Shirik | UIparent:GetWidth() will cause "Attempt to index a nil value" |
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| 16:03.55 | nevcairiel | ~lart Shirik |
| 16:03.55 | purl | whacks Shirik upside the head |
| 16:03.57 | Shirik | however, it's possible that addons/ui isn't loading this information until VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 16:04.08 | alestane | That's because there is no UIparent. The frame's name is UIParent. |
| 16:04.33 | nevcairiel | you guys should really look over the obvious typo and answer the question =P |
| 16:04.38 | Shirik | I did! |
| 16:04.42 | alestane | Oh, sorry, that was Shirik being a similar wiseass. |
| 16:04.52 | Shirik | I answered his question :( |
| 16:04.55 | tiggi | only a miss typo on irc :p |
| 16:04.55 | Shirik | why so mean to me :( |
| 16:05.17 | nevcairiel | But only thing i can think of, its loading the UIScale after your first check |
| 16:05.22 | nevcairiel | and that changes the width and the scale |
| 16:05.25 | alestane | I misread the response and answered the wrong person's question. I go away now. |
| 16:05.52 | Shirik | if you rely on this information, I wouldn't rely on it until at least after VARIABLES_LOADED due to any addons, or better yet, something like PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD because some addons delay initialization to that |
| 16:05.59 | Shirik | code defensively |
| 16:06.14 | tiggi | ive tryed UIParent:GetEffectiveScale() but it's the same pb, it change dunring startup |
| 16:06.20 | nevcairiel | a good offense is the best defense! |
| 16:06.26 | alestane | Yes. The UI scale is a cvar, which means it's being loaded from the server now. |
| 16:06.51 | Shirik | yes but any addon could change it during initialization if it feels like it :) |
| 16:07.02 | alestane | Which means it'll change twice, once during the initial load, and once at VARIABLES_LOADED. |
| 16:07.09 | nevcairiel | tiggi: when are you actually doing your first check? Directly in the main code of the addon? or some event handler? |
| 16:07.25 | erikd | I've been getting lua errors every time I die since 3.0 annd it mentions some blizzard lua file as having the error. Is that really a bug in a blizzard file? |
| 16:07.26 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I'm understanding it as being as the script file runs |
| 16:07.34 | tiggi | at the begining of the code |
| 16:07.37 | nevcairiel | Like Shirik suggested, move it to an event handler on VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 16:07.37 | Shirik | what's the error, erikd |
| 16:07.48 | erikd | i honestly can't remember =/ |
| 16:07.51 | tiggi | and second check after where i get a good value |
| 16:07.52 | erikd | i'll write it down next time |
| 16:07.53 | Shirik | well go die |
| 16:07.56 | erikd | :) |
| 16:07.58 | alestane | tiggi: Don't rely on those values before VARIABLES_LOADED, they definitely could change. |
| 16:08.08 | erikd | i'd go get it now but i'm at work |
| 16:08.21 | alestane | erikd: Does it still occur with all add-ons disabled? |
| 16:08.37 | nevcairiel | erikd: get one of those error catching addons and save the error in a textfile =P |
| 16:08.47 | erikd | i didn't care enough to try, i was just wondering if people had the same issue |
| 16:08.56 | erikd | nev: bugsack hates me atm |
| 16:09.21 | erikd | i'm like a fish out of water without my jwowupdater =/ |
| 16:09.33 | erikd | i need an easy way to update my addons! |
| 16:09.35 | nevcairiel | dead in an hour? |
| 16:09.36 | tiggi | oki thx, ill check for VARIABLES_LOADED event so |
| 16:09.36 | Shirik | well I can say I don't |
| 16:09.54 | Shirik | erikd: I'd probably attribute it to a bad hook |
| 16:10.00 | Shirik | incorrectly returning values, etc. |
| 16:10.11 | nevcairiel | yeah most likely a hook not forwardning self |
| 16:10.26 | erikd | so it is possible for an addon to run the blizzard code and cause it to throw an error, then |
| 16:10.26 | nevcairiel | or ... for that matter |
| 16:10.36 | Shirik | yeah |
| 16:10.40 | Shirik | for example, some people do things like |
| 16:10.46 | erikd | guess i'll have to go do some troubleshooting |
| 16:10.49 | Shirik | s/do things like/used to do things like/ |
| 16:11.07 | nevcairiel | you know, some thing i never really understood |
| 16:11.25 | Shirik | CastSpellByName = function(name) blah blah; return old(name); end |
| 16:11.30 | Shirik | The CORRECT way to do that hook is |
| 16:11.38 | Shirik | CastSpellByName = function(name, ...) blah blah; return old(name, ...); end |
| 16:11.44 | Shirik | (Ignoring taint, etc.) |
| 16:12.01 | Shirik | even if ... is empty for the time being, it future-proofs your code |
| 16:12.48 | Kaso | Damn i remeber when that used to happen fairly often ^ |
| 16:12.49 | nevcairiel | UIDropDownMenu_SetWidth() changed from (width, frame) to (self, width), and any addon that tries to call it the old styel causes an error, obviously, HOWEVER, i never got a full traceback which addon did it, always only the error in the FrameXML where it actually happend. wtf is up with that? |
| 16:12.57 | Kaso | patch would add a new arg, your addons fuck it up |
| 16:13.05 | erikd | is "old" just an example you're using or is it actually a keyword you can use when overriding a function? |
| 16:13.12 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Maybe it comes from a C call? |
| 16:13.21 | malreth | just an example |
| 16:13.23 | Shirik | oh wait, that shouldn't matter |
| 16:13.26 | nevcairiel | Shirik: definately not, i can reproduce it in Lua |
| 16:13.35 | Kaso | you'd usually manually assign old on the line before |
| 16:13.41 | Shirik | you should still see the hook in the traceback, that's odd |
| 16:13.57 | Shirik | and I believe the tracebacks correctly handle tailcalls |
| 16:14.13 | nevcairiel | i only got one line in the error traceback, the exact error line in FrameXML |
| 16:14.21 | Shirik | that's strange |
| 16:14.23 | nevcairiel | i ventured through my addons with grep again to find it |
| 16:14.31 | Shirik | I would like to see that |
| 16:14.56 | nevcairiel | just call UIDropDownMenu_SetWidth(20, nil) |
| 16:15.00 | nevcairiel | and see what happens |
| 16:15.31 | erikd | http://code.google.com/p/jwowupdater/ *gasp* |
| 16:15.32 | AbsoRayne | hrm |
| 16:16.51 | alestane | nevcairiel: Rather than calling the function with the wrong arguments, an add-on could be leaving a bad value somewhere where other code will pass it to the function. |
| 16:17.02 | tiggi | or UIDropDownMenu_SetWidth(UIParent, 20) :p |
| 16:17.29 | Shirik | I see the whole stack trace nevcairiel :/ |
| 16:17.33 | nevcairiel | alestane: well in that case it was usually just like that, because the arg order was reversed from 2.0 to 3.0 |
| 16:17.40 | Arrowmaster | UIDropDownMenu_SetWidth(addon, 20) instead of self |
| 16:18.30 | Arrowmaster | from a messed up this to self converstion? |
| 16:18.43 | tiggi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.45 | tiggi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.07 | nevcairiel | Shirik: i dunno, when i tried it in /script now, i see it too. But i never saw it from the addons that errored |
| 16:24.16 | tiggi | thx for help it worked, im getting the good value :D |
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| 16:25.18 | alestane | tiggi: Before 3.0 you could probably count on it during load, but now the settings variables get re-loaded from the server during log-in. |
| 16:25.57 | tiggi | sure, its maybe something like that |
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| 16:33.20 | Lopeppeppy | Halloween fun. http://omg.yahoo.com/photos/fashion-frightfest/2415 Some scary crap out there, especially Tori Amos. |
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| 16:39.18 | Shirik | um |
| 16:39.25 | Shirik | Are these supposed to be halloween costumes? |
| 16:39.28 | Shirik | Because I thought #2 was one |
| 16:40.38 | Lopeppeppy | They are just everyday clothes these people wear to be hideous in, Shirik. |
| 16:40.44 | Shirik | wow |
| 16:40.55 | Shirik | And it surely costs them thousands of dollars to get these hideous things |
| 16:41.05 | Industrial | god damn courtnet love is so ugly :( |
| 16:41.10 | Industrial | courtney* |
| 16:41.25 | Industrial | like, i dont WANT to see your underwear. |
| 16:41.27 | Lopeppeppy | The one of Tori Amos I had NO IDEA it was her. *shiver* |
| 16:43.11 | alestane | "All hail Anna Wintour, the editor-in-chief of Vogue, the devourer of personal assistants, the ultimate alien queen!" |
| 16:44.11 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. *laugh* |
| 16:44.18 | Lopeppeppy | The lady in orange is soooo halloween and scary. |
| 16:44.31 | Shirik | I personally like the michelin man one |
| 16:44.49 | alestane | "Sting, you are under arrest for dressing like a Village Person in public." |
| 16:45.54 | alestane | These are, um, hideous for the most part. |
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| 16:47.21 | alestane | "Call us crazy, but we think Dita Von Teese's tilted top hat and pasty skin eerily resemble Johnny Depp's Willy Wonka." They're right, although I liked that one a lot better than many of the others. |
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| 16:49.04 | alestane | "Did she skin a Muppet or something?" |
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| 16:52.09 | Industrial | lol |
| 16:52.31 | Industrial | way to go stabbing people from your seat :| |
| 16:52.38 | Industrial | say it in their face, so I can laugh :O |
| 16:52.41 | Industrial | imho. |
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| 17:03.27 | Shirik | So R2-D2 is an "R2 unit". What is C-3PO? A C-unit? If so, why don't they have a standard naming convention? |
| 17:04.02 | [dRaCo] | maybe there were R-units back then |
| 17:04.06 | cogwheel | and what about R4? |
| 17:04.24 | Shirik | Well generally I only try to think about R4 |
| 17:04.24 | Shirik | er |
| 17:04.25 | Shirik | R3 |
| 17:04.25 | [dRaCo] | and the R2 are, like, Mark II |
| 17:04.34 | cogwheel | though C-3PO wasn't made in a factory |
| 17:04.37 | Shirik | Thinking beyond R3 requires abstract thinking |
| 17:04.51 | Shirik | too complex, especially when you try to do cross products |
| 17:04.59 | Industrial | what? |
| 17:05.01 | Industrial | :| |
| 17:05.55 | Shirik | R2 is two-dimensional (real) space, etc. |
| 17:05.56 | Lopeppeppy | I believe that R2 was the model, and D2 was a specialized series in the model. |
| 17:06.10 | Shirik | ok, so is C-3PO a "C" model? |
| 17:06.11 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 17:06.15 | cogwheel | no |
| 17:06.18 | [dRaCo] | well, no... |
| 17:06.18 | cogwheel | i don't think so anyway |
| 17:06.23 | [dRaCo] | wiki says Class 3, Protocol Droid |
| 17:06.26 | Seerah | c-3p0 was hand-made |
| 17:06.30 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 17:06.36 | Seerah | that, too |
| 17:06.44 | Shirik | ahh |
| 17:06.47 | Industrial | I think im going to eat ice cream now |
| 17:06.51 | Seerah | mmmmm |
| 17:07.01 | Industrial | nuuu :< |
| 17:07.09 | Seerah | okay, I'll share with you |
| 17:07.13 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 17:07.17 | Shirik | YAY |
| 17:07.18 | Shirik | package came |
| 17:07.23 | Seerah | yay! |
| 17:07.24 | Shirik | and it says "Perishable. Open upon arrival." |
| 17:07.26 | Seerah | what's in it? |
| 17:07.28 | Shirik | that's always fun |
| 17:07.36 | Lopeppeppy | Food! |
| 17:07.52 | Industrial | red alert 3, unpack faster! :p |
| 17:07.54 | Seerah | puppy! |
| 17:08.05 | Industrial | puppies are not for nomnom seerah |
| 17:08.10 | Seerah | I know |
| 17:08.12 | Lopeppeppy | At least, not raw. |
| 17:08.13 | Seerah | but they are perishable |
| 17:08.14 | Shirik | oo cookies |
| 17:08.19 | Seerah | mmmm |
| 17:08.25 | Shirik | those cookies that have tons of frosting on the top |
| 17:08.31 | Industrial | cookies |
| 17:08.34 | Shirik | so it's actually like frosting with a cookie topping |
| 17:09.01 | Industrial | purl, say I want a cookie |
| 17:09.01 | purl | I want a cookie |
| 17:09.09 | Industrial | cookies for all! |
| 17:09.25 | Shirik | cookie |
| 17:09.25 | Lopeppeppy | ~cookie |
| 17:09.32 | Shirik | ok that could get really annoying >< |
| 17:10.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Can auctioneer split items and sell them for me? |
| 17:11.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me that those pricks who sell enchant dust x200 in stacks of one don't do it manually |
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| 17:12.01 | NeoTron | of course |
| 17:12.03 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:12.05 | NeoTron | you select the stack size |
| 17:12.05 | ScytheBlade1 | How? |
| 17:12.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Where? |
| 17:12.11 | Shirik | go into appraiser, set the stack size |
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| 17:12.27 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 17:12.28 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 17:12.28 | Shirik | omg I like this one |
| 17:12.33 | Shirik | "Frosted Triple Chocolate Cookie" |
| 17:12.39 | Shirik | aka "Heart Attack Cookie" |
| 17:13.27 | Industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3xvTq5boBg |
| 17:13.29 | Industrial | Shirik: ^ |
| 17:13.30 | Industrial | :D |
| 17:14.49 | Shirik | on a pad or controller? |
| 17:17.09 | Industrial | keyboard |
| 17:17.09 | Industrial | :p |
| 17:17.17 | Industrial | says so in the descr |
| 17:17.36 | Industrial | I cant dance it for crap :( unfortunately |
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| 17:26.23 | Shirik | I can't dance either |
| 17:26.25 | Shirik | I still use a pad |
| 17:26.35 | Shirik | not anymore though because I live on the second floor of an apartment |
| 17:26.41 | nevcairiel | anyone have a good WoW'ish (maybe lich king'ish) phpBB 3.0 forum style? |
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| 17:27.05 | zenzelezz | Shirik: just drink more, everyone can dance given sufficient alcohol |
| 17:27.07 | Mikk | Arf, error reporting seems to be really fubard in current beta |
| 17:27.36 | Mikk | Getting a boatload of (null) in FrameXML.log, and nothing at all in the error handlers |
| 17:27.41 | Mikk | But I _KNOW_ I'm erroring |
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| 17:27.57 | nevcairiel | i have seen the (null) too, not sure what from |
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| 17:30.11 | Mikk | oho.. i uninstalled buggrabber |
| 17:30.15 | Mikk | now i get messages |
| 17:30.28 | Mikk | but buggrabber doesnt get to see the errors |
| 17:30.29 | nevcairiel | I've seen that before |
| 17:30.31 | nevcairiel | actually |
| 17:30.40 | nevcairiel | not sure what happend |
| 17:30.41 | Dewin | Why do I always see the interesting conversations 5 minutes after they occured |
| 17:30.42 | Mikk | which is semifunky because it did catch other errors |
| 17:31.00 | nevcairiel | did you try /buggrabber instead of looking at the BugSack? |
| 17:31.23 | Mikk | bugsack not even installed |
| 17:31.23 | Dewin | Shirik: My wife and I have twice now preferred a first-floor apartment so we could still play DDR :) |
| 17:31.25 | Mikk | only buggrabber |
| 17:31.37 | Mikk | no output from it, and the buggrabber command doesnt get installed |
| 17:31.46 | nevcairiel | huh |
| 17:31.55 | Mikk | the command only gets installed if it sees errors |
| 17:31.58 | nevcairiel | it errored itself, i guess :P |
| 17:32.00 | nevcairiel | ah. |
| 17:32.27 | Mikk | hm yeah buggrabber itself erroring COULD be the cuase |
| 17:32.38 | Mikk | i see how that could cause (null) barfage in framexml.log |
| 17:32.53 | Mikk | though it is able to pick up SOME errors |
| 17:40.25 | Mikk | Okay fine... I'm now pcall()ing buggrabbers grabber :S |
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| 17:43.16 | Mikk | Nope, no errors in the grabber. It's just not getting to see the errors, and (null)s in framexml.log. |
| 17:43.25 | Mikk | I guess I'll write a testcase... hohum |
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| 17:48.09 | Mikk | Jebus, it's hiding everything now. Had to disable buggrabber entirely to see errors. |
| 17:49.36 | Mikk | Er but if i write my OWN error handler, it handles them just fine |
| 17:50.00 | Mikk | Then the only sane assumption is that buggrabber is broken somehow oO |
| 17:50.33 | ArrowmasterClass | Mikk: the (null)'s in the framexml are also caused by LoD optdeps |
| 17:50.43 | Mikk | I don't have those. I have exactly two addons. |
| 17:50.48 | Mikk | BugGrabber and FreeRefills |
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| 17:50.55 | Mikk | Both with embedded libs. |
| 17:51.21 | ArrowmasterClass | is there exactly 1 error when you arent using buggrabber? |
| 17:51.30 | Mikk | right now, yes |
| 17:51.34 | ArrowmasterClass | hmm |
| 17:51.35 | Mikk | i had 6 earlier but plugged a booboo |
| 17:51.44 | ArrowmasterClass | i had suspected that might have been an issue |
| 17:52.02 | ArrowmasterClass | did those 6 show up in buggrabber? |
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| 17:56.54 | Mikk | no |
| 17:57.05 | Mikk | ohwell, printf debugging buggrabber ftw |
| 17:59.48 | Drak[H|AD] | anyone got a working code for hooking the chatframe? |
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| 18:01.31 | ArrowmasterClass | depends what you mean by hooking the chatframe |
| 18:01.57 | Drak[H|AD] | I wanna stop the chat events and display my own versions of it |
| 18:02.01 | Mikk | Oh dear, I see what's going on |
| 18:02.20 | Mikk | BugGrabber finds "BugGrabber" in the stacktrace and assumes it's seeing one of its own errors |
| 18:02.34 | Mikk | But it's seeing its embedded LibStub |
| 18:02.34 | Drak[H|AD] | the version I had wont work and I downloaded an addon and check their code - that wont work either - I get an error in ChatFrame.lua from it |
| 18:02.48 | nevcairiel | Mikk: libstub errors? o.O |
| 18:03.06 | Mikk | throwing an error because i'm requesting a nonexistant lib |
| 18:03.07 | ArrowmasterClass | Mikk: ah ha, i knew vhaarr fucked up when he copied my incomplete branch, i never ment to embed anything in buggrabber |
| 18:03.10 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 18:03.15 | ArrowmasterClass | ill fix it when i get home |
| 18:03.34 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/57284455 |
| 18:03.37 | Adys | man |
| 18:03.52 | Lopeppeppy | Thank the stars for Zarhym! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065200512&pageNo=1&sid=1#1 |
| 18:03.55 | Mikk | So.. yeah.. having BugGrabber installed means ALL errors involving LibStub and CallbackHandler get suppressed |
| 18:04.00 | Mikk | Because BugGrabber always loads first |
| 18:04.02 | Mikk | Yay |
| 18:04.23 | nevcairiel | cant you just remove the supression? |
| 18:04.25 | Mikk | I'm just going to nop out that line for now if you don't mind |
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| 18:04.28 | Drak[H|AD] | Arrowmaster > know any code stump that does what I want? |
| 18:04.33 | NeoTron | Adys: did you see there's a Garfield minus Garfield book coming out? |
| 18:04.43 | Adys | oh wow, is there? |
| 18:04.48 | nevcairiel | Mikk: whats the point in hiding its own errors anyway? |
| 18:04.53 | Adys | thats awesome |
| 18:04.56 | NeoTron | it's out even |
| 18:05.00 | NeoTron | http://www.amazon.com/Garfield-Minus-Jim-Davis/dp/0345513878/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225476285&sr=8-1 |
| 18:05.07 | NeoTron | it has the - strip next to the originals |
| 18:05.26 | ArrowmasterClass | Mikk, nevcairiel: like i said ill fix it when i get home, i put libstub and cbh in a buggrabber branch but was going to revert it but vhaarr copied my branch before i did |
| 18:05.27 | Adys | haha |
| 18:05.34 | Adys | awesome NeoTron |
| 18:05.39 | Adys | I'm so buying that for christmas |
| 18:06.21 | Mikk | nevcairiel: because if it's erroring in the error handler ................. (fill in the blanks =)) |
| 18:06.29 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 18:06.37 | Mikk | Then again this is at such a late point, it probably doesn't matter |
| 18:06.38 | nevcairiel | loop'ish fun |
| 18:07.06 | Mikk | You'd have to have a recursion check at the first line of grabErrors if it were to help |
| 18:07.14 | nevcairiel | what does it use libstub/cbh for anyway? using CBH to dispatch the errors to BugSack? |
| 18:07.19 | ArrowmasterClass | yes |
| 18:07.22 | ArrowmasterClass | my fault |
| 18:07.36 | Mikk | Hardly a bad thing. |
| 18:07.44 | ArrowmasterClass | its easy to fix |
| 18:07.55 | ArrowmasterClass | i ment to fix it anyway |
| 18:09.40 | Mikk | This begs the question though... Those (null) entries we're seeing in framexml.log .... |
| 18:09.59 | Mikk | Would they say something more interesting if no seterrorhandler() calls had been made? |
| 18:11.36 | ArrowmasterClass | probably not |
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| 18:13.55 | Mikk | Well they do for my current errors |
| 18:13.57 | Mikk | Testing LoD now |
| 18:14.20 | Mikk | Erm maybe I shouldn't test that on beta.... |
| 18:14.57 | Antiarc | I was thinking that Garfield Minus Jim Davis would be more interesting |
| 18:15.14 | Mikk | 6/10 |
| 18:15.32 | Adys | I had started removing just the bubbles from garfield strips |
| 18:15.41 | Adys | but removing garfield altogether is pretty funny too |
| 18:16.00 | nevcairiel | Mikk: test if LoD was fixed in the current beta build already :D |
| 18:16.31 | ArrowmasterClass | test if IsAddOnLoaded() actually has two meaningful different returns |
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| 18:19.41 | Mikk | wtf.. the addons aren't loading and there's nothing at all in framexml.log |
| 18:19.44 | Mikk | nothing about ANY addon loading |
| 18:20.37 | mikma | are you sure you have them in Interface\AddOns? ;) |
| 18:20.59 | Mikk | yes, the other addons a're erroring, so they're there :P |
| 18:22.51 | Mikk | nevcairiel: No, it is NOT fixed on beta |
| 18:23.12 | Mikk | Nothing happening in framexml.log whatsoever |
| 18:23.57 | nevcairiel | they claimed it will be for 3.0.3 |
| 18:24.28 | Mikk | Mhm |
| 18:28.15 | ArrowmasterClass | Mikk: i noticed your report on wowace, do you know if the files that guy is editing have svn:eol-style set? |
| 18:29.14 | ArrowmasterClass | somebody commited to FuBarPlugin-2.0 lastnight and changed the line ending of every line because svn:eol-style was wiped out on the transition |
| 18:29.39 | nevcairiel | that reminds me |
| 18:29.49 | Mikk | Erm.. he actually DELETED files and re-added them. Any file that he needed to touch. |
| 18:29.53 | Mikk | Including .toc files |
| 18:30.22 | ArrowmasterClass | hmm so it showed as D then A |
| 18:30.26 | Shirik | why did he need to touch them? |
| 18:30.33 | Mikk | to add ruRU locales |
| 18:31.14 | Mikk | ArrowmasterClass: correct |
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| 18:33.02 | ArrowmasterClass | i noticed your buggrabber commit, like i said ill do a proper fix when i get home, buggrabber shouldnt even have libstub or cbh embedded in it |
| 18:33.18 | murilopb | Guys, what is the name of the frame or object that show the yellow text of damage taken |
| 18:34.19 | Shirik | ~devtools |
| 18:34.20 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
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| 18:37.07 | Dewin | Is that even truly a frame? |
| 18:37.20 | Mikk | Yes |
| 18:37.27 | Mikk | Damage DONE - no |
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| 18:40.21 | [dRaCo] | murilopb: there's a script to get a frame's name |
| 18:40.32 | [dRaCo] | just mouseover the frame and execute /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage( GetMouseFocus():GetName() ); |
| 18:41.08 | KarlKFI | provided it has a name |
| 18:41.14 | KarlKFI | else it'll error |
| 18:41.19 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 18:41.32 | [dRaCo] | most blizzard frames got a name, though |
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| 18:45.20 | murilopb | [dRaCo]: Hmm ... good to know ... thank you |
| 18:46.22 | Shirik | [dRaCo]: That's not really true |
| 18:46.29 | Shirik | That assumes the frame can get moues focus |
| 18:46.32 | Shirik | mouse focus* |
| 18:46.55 | Shirik | devtools is much better at picking things up, in many cases where that macro wouldn't work |
| 18:47.27 | [dRaCo] | yeah, but if that macro works and all you need is the name, installing the devtools would be overkill |
| 18:47.40 | Shirik | except that devtools only needs to be installed once |
| 18:47.43 | nevcairiel | having devtools is never overkill |
| 18:47.49 | [dRaCo] | for most users, it is |
| 18:47.51 | KarlKFI | oh good point. those frames prolly don't recieve mouse focus |
| 18:47.59 | nevcairiel | people in here are not supposed to be users |
| 18:48.40 | [dRaCo] | forgot about that focus stuff, by the way, sorry about that |
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| 18:59.00 | kneeki | I must say, Ubuntu 8.10 did a lot of things right =) |
| 18:59.54 | Dewin | kneeki: does it support nvraid out of the box yet? |
| 19:00.00 | Dewin | I downloaded the iso but haven't played with it yet. |
| 19:00.42 | kneeki | I'm unsure what nvraid is |
| 19:00.59 | kneeki | But its detecting my dual displays fine, everything is working 'out of the box' so far |
| 19:01.13 | kneeki | and I have yet to use the console, which is a huge role for me in full on adoption |
| 19:01.53 | kneeki | I love it =) |
| 19:02.00 | Dewin | nvraid is the nvidia raid drivers on most nForce-based motherboards. It's not a 'proper' raid array, and requires fakeraid to work in Linux. |
| 19:02.09 | Dewin | I like my console. >.> |
| 19:02.39 | kneeki | Ah |
| 19:02.41 | Dewin | so much that I have msys installed on my windows boxen. |
| 19:02.55 | kneeki | Well, my friend was able to install it just fine on his raid-0 board |
| 19:03.02 | kneeki | which, he was unable to do in v8.04 |
| 19:03.10 | kneeki | Give it a shot =) |
| 19:03.23 | Dewin | Yeah, 8.04 picked up the individual drives, not the array for me |
| 19:03.27 | Dewin | which is... extremely dangerous |
| 19:03.58 | kneeki | yeah, he had the exact same problem |
| 19:04.18 | Dewin | So maybe they added native support then |
| 19:04.21 | Dewin | since the howto guide never worked for me. |
| 19:04.28 | kneeki | Perhaps, give it a shot |
| 19:04.43 | Dewin | I already have space allocated for it too :) |
| 19:05.19 | kneeki | I'm hoping that I can do all my work stuff while using Ubuntu |
| 19:05.26 | Dewin | Heh |
| 19:05.29 | kneeki | Which is where I'm at now. I have yet to get a tech call however =( |
| 19:05.38 | kneeki | But I got CRM running on IE6, which is badass |
| 19:05.47 | Dewin | My work stuff consists of LAMPP (yes, two Ps), so I'd just need a decent text editor and I'm spoiled on notepad++ now |
| 19:05.59 | kneeki | I love Notepad++ |
| 19:06.11 | Dewin | Though I bet if I really wanted to I can run notepad++ under wine |
| 19:06.22 | Shirik | why? |
| 19:06.23 | kneeki | Notepad++ not available on 'nix? |
| 19:06.27 | kneeki | I'm fairly sure it is... |
| 19:06.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Who cares? |
| 19:06.34 | Shirik | surely notepad++ cannot be better than vim |
| 19:06.36 | kneeki | lol |
| 19:06.37 | Dewin | I never cared for vim |
| 19:06.45 | kneeki | What's vim? |
| 19:06.49 | ScytheBlade1 | !g vim |
| 19:06.50 | KarlKFI | vim can diaf |
| 19:06.50 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: welcome home : vim online <http://www.vim.org/> |
| 19:06.51 | Hirsute | <--Big fan of vim |
| 19:06.54 | Dewin | VIsual editor iMproved. |
| 19:07.07 | kneeki | bah |
| 19:07.07 | Shirik | vim is god |
| 19:07.10 | kneeki | no screenshots |
| 19:07.15 | Shirik | I'll get one for you |
| 19:07.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Because it's primarily a CLI app :) |
| 19:07.38 | KarlKFI | what're you gonna ss, pretty colors and a search command? |
| 19:07.38 | Dewin | I'll skip through all of the "real developers use ed" to "real developers align the cosmic rays to flip the bits on the magnetic platter themselves" |
| 19:08.03 | kneeki | bbl, godda to go the store |
| 19:08.15 | ArrowmasterClass | if you want something like notepad++ on nix you could try scite |
| 19:08.48 | Dewin | Arrowmaster: I used scite for my lua up until I realized that I could just do the same w/ the npp_exec plugin |
| 19:08.55 | Shirik | actually, ScytheBlade1, wtf did I do to vim? |
| 19:09.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Broke it |
| 19:09.02 | Shirik | I get these strange highlights on the left side now |
| 19:09.05 | Dewin | I'd rather just run notepad++ under wine. |
| 19:09.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Like you usually do |
| 19:09.32 | ScytheBlade1 | screenshot? |
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| 19:10.04 | Dewin | though... I suspect vim's ZenBurn theme might be a little more advanced than Notepad++'s |
| 19:10.12 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, cladhaire. |
| 19:10.16 | Dewin | http://slinky.imukuppi.org/zenburn/ zenburn = win. |
| 19:10.52 | cladhaire | Lopeppeppy: :P |
| 19:11.05 | Hirsute | So, if I want to check for the existens of Some.Table.Entry.Here, where Some.Table will definitely exist, but Some.Table.Entry may or may not, is there any way to check for "Here" in lua without it throwing an error if "Entry" doesn't exist? |
| 19:11.15 | Hirsute | s/existens/existence |
| 19:11.33 | Dewin | Hirsute: Some.Table and Some.Table.Entry and Some.Table.Entry.Here |
| 19:11.36 | NightHawkTheSane | if( some.table.entry and some.table.entry.here ) |
| 19:11.58 | Hirsute | Okay, thanks. That makes sense. |
| 19:12.27 | Dewin | If you want to blindly check it, you can also do something like: foo = (Some.Table.Entry and Some.Table.Entry.Here) or nil |
| 19:13.08 | Hirsute | That happens to be the only thing that really bugs me about lua so far, actually. It seems to me that checking for Some.Table.Entry.Here should return false even if Entry doesn't exist either. |
| 19:13.10 | mikma | hehe |
| 19:13.20 | mikma | imukuppi =) |
| 19:13.21 | Hirsute | Rather than have an aneurysm. |
| 19:13.23 | NightHawkTheSane | thats not unique to lua |
| 19:13.28 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/2a97f0d07028b4bee638e9d683fd896e.jpg |
| 19:13.43 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: I'm sure it isn't, but I don't recall having that problem in perl, which is what I'm used to. |
| 19:13.49 | Dewin | Hirsute: It'd be nice to have something like PHP's empty() construct for that, or simply an error-suppression operator |
| 19:13.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like tab indentation coloring of sorts |
| 19:14.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, i don't recall if perl handles that well or not, but I know a lot of languages will throw errors on that kind of thing |
| 19:14.58 | Hirsute | Yeah. Some day*, when I design my own language... |
| 19:15.04 | Hirsute | *(right after I become king of the world) |
| 19:15.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:15.13 | Dewin | I still want doc++ |
| 19:15.16 | Lopeppeppy | Soon (tm) |
| 19:15.21 | Dewin | have the program generated from the documentation |
| 19:15.28 | Dewin | bugs would be caused by ambiguous documentation |
| 19:15.49 | Dewin | UI design would require photoshopped fake screenshots though. Hmm. |
| 19:17.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: thats really how most languages work already. it's just that the compiler is a human, translating specs & requirements into code :p |
| 19:17.27 | Dewin | Or if you could just... |
| 19:17.33 | Dewin | DWIM EAX, EBX ; Do What I Mean. |
| 19:17.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:18.04 | erikd | that's what the <erik> tag in HTML 5 is going to do |
| 19:18.15 | erikd | <erik>make a web app to do this</erik> |
| 19:18.21 | erikd | and the browser will do it |
| 19:18.33 | Dewin | Sweet. |
| 19:18.39 | Dewin | Let me try that |
| 19:18.46 | Dewin | <erik>transfer one million dollars to my bank account</erik> |
| 19:18.49 | erikd | yup, we've also added the <suck> tag for IE compatibility |
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| 19:19.04 | Dewin | Damn. my browser must not be complaint |
| 19:19.04 | Lopeppeppy | ~staple Shirik |
| 19:19.05 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Shirik quite well, and hands Shirik to lopeppeppy |
| 19:19.06 | erikd | if you have <suck> in a page and you try to view it in IE it'll delete the page |
| 19:19.08 | Dewin | s/aint/iant/ |
| 19:19.35 | Shirik | That was intentional Lopeppeppy |
| 19:19.36 | erikd | we haven't gotten past the planning phase on that one =/ |
| 19:19.37 | Shirik | I needed to look up a connection command |
| 19:20.16 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Well, duct tape is very halloweeny anyway! |
| 19:20.37 | Shirik | do do do do do |
| 19:20.47 | Shirik | I have to teach a class in 10 minutes and I'm still at home |
| 19:20.48 | Shirik | fun |
| 19:20.55 | Lopeppeppy | Ooops.Get moving. |
| 19:21.23 | nevcairiel | mm forums are broken |
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| 19:21.51 | nevcairiel | can anyone view page 18 of the UI Changes compilation post? |
| 19:22.04 | zenzelezz | link? |
| 19:22.12 | nevcairiel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202271194&sid=1&pageNo=17 |
| 19:22.18 | nevcairiel | it displays a page 18 there |
| 19:22.21 | nevcairiel | but i cant view it |
| 19:22.27 | NeoTron | could a wowi admin please zap this "patch" since the original is updated: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11249.html |
| 19:22.34 | Dewin | Likely there was one post on page 18 and it was deleted? |
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| 19:23.48 | Lopeppeppy | The forums have had cookie issues the last few days.... |
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| 19:29.48 | Shirik | NeoTron: You want it deleted? |
| 19:31.01 | NeoTron | Shirik: yep, Ammo updated the actual addon |
| 19:31.11 | NeoTron | so no longer serves a purpose |
| 19:31.24 | Shirik | done done |
| 19:31.30 | Shirik | okies I gotta go |
| 19:31.32 | NeoTron | thanks |
| 19:31.40 | |pez| | I hope we get more games for the xbox soon. I'm wanting something else than Kung Fu Panda and Lego Indiana Jones |
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| 19:35.16 | zenzelezz | Every Man for Himself is just way overpowered... I love it |
| 19:36.56 | NeoTron | zenzelezz: yeah, as OP as a trinket everyone has! |
| 19:37.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Without taking the trinket slot |
| 19:37.11 | ScytheBlade1 | It's OP |
| 19:37.19 | NeoTron | sure but for PvP.. you want the trinket for resilience |
| 19:37.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe |
| 19:37.27 | NeoTron | I can see the benefit in typical "pvp trinket" raid fights though |
| 19:37.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe not |
| 19:37.31 | [dRaCo] | Lego Kung Fu Panda : |
| 19:38.39 | |pez| | [dRaCo]? |
| 19:39.08 | [dRaCo] | was just guessing the name of the next big xbox game |
| 19:39.16 | |pez| | :P |
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| 19:42.29 | KarlKFI | resil is for losers |
| 19:42.45 | KarlKFI | i like smashing faces better |
| 19:43.55 | zenzelezz | NeoTron: not everyone raids with a PvP trinket |
| 19:44.54 | KarlKFI | he was talking more about fights like Archimonde where you usually want one. |
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| 19:45.12 | zenzelezz | and I was talking about every situation possible |
| 19:45.45 | KarlKFI | so, you're dissagreeing with him on a point he's not making? |
| 19:46.10 | zenzelezz | he seemed to be disagreeing with me on a point I didn't make from the start |
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| 19:49.05 | Shirik | rawr |
| 19:49.09 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 19:49.15 | KarlKFI | you said it was OP, he agrued that everyone has the ability, so the ability isn't overpowered, it's just having an extra trinket slot that's OP, and he argued that it wasn't OP for pvp cause you wanted the resil... |
| 19:50.05 | KarlKFI | irrigardlessly, this isn't a real disagreement, just as irrigardlessly isn't a word |
| 19:50.58 | zenzelezz | I'm getting seriously tired of this channel, everyone always having to argue. And I'm sure that's just my personality, but I don't care |
| 19:51.52 | KarlKFI | yay, lets all have a big apathy party |
| 19:51.57 | Xuerian | OMG! LOOK OVER THERE! CAKE! |
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| 19:52.55 | Dewin | The cake is a lie! |
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| 20:11.18 | Thunder_Child | does anyone else notice that google takes names and makes them into acronyms? |
| 20:11.31 | [dRaCo] | like? |
| 20:12.07 | Thunder_Child | do a search for Battlefleet Gothic and you get results for BFG |
| 20:12.12 | Thunder_Child | the vid card maker |
| 20:12.59 | [dRaCo] | doesn't for me on the first page |
| 20:13.08 | ANTRat`spooky | me neither |
| 20:13.18 | Thunder_Child | let me give you one it does work on |
| 20:13.43 | Thunder_Child | battlefleet gothic IRC channel |
| 20:13.45 | Thunder_Child | try that |
| 20:14.05 | Thunder_Child | and oddly enough battlefleet does not get linked in the top right |
| 20:14.19 | [dRaCo] | right, that one works |
| 20:14.32 | Thunder_Child | and it's not the only one, just one that happens to do it the most |
| 20:15.04 | [dRaCo] | almost looks like something added manually |
| 20:15.15 | Thunder_Child | $5 says ebay uses googls search formula since it has the same return |
| 20:15.38 | Thunder_Child | though thankfully if you put it in quotes it doesnt do acronyms |
| 20:15.49 | Thunder_Child | "battlefleet gothic" IRC channel |
| 20:15.54 | Thunder_Child | works reasonbly well |
| 20:16.09 | Thunder_Child | just iritating that i have to do it |
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| 20:21.00 | Dewin | Thunder_Child: One common way to broaden search results is to search for keywords that are highly relevant in pages that are highly relevant to your originally search term as well. |
| 20:21.17 | Dewin | So if most of the pages that have "battlefleet gothic" also say "BFG", BFG will be added in as well |
| 20:29.59 | Thunder_Child | Dewin, understood, but that means it is taking peices of my search |
| 20:31.44 | Thunder_Child | for example, battlefleet gothic IRC channel, there is few if any BFG's on the pages it returns, however it still returns a large number of BFG sites |
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| 20:34.10 | Dewin | Thunder_Child: It's like magic. Sorcery goes horribly awry sometimes. :) |
| 20:34.27 | Thunder_Child | Dewin, Google != Magic |
| 20:34.32 | Thunder_Child | in any universe |
| 20:34.49 | Thunder_Child | though that would be an amusing premise in a book |
| 20:34.56 | Dewin | like != = |
| 20:35.36 | alestane | ubersoft.net ... their vision of Google is amusing. |
| 20:35.43 | Dewin | and "any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic" |
| 20:35.59 | Thunder_Child | google's search engine is hardly advanced |
| 20:36.02 | Dewin | and... Firefox just freaking impressed me :) |
| 20:36.13 | Dewin | I couldn't remember the quote so I was going to google the first few words |
| 20:36.20 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ " * |
| 20:36.20 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ " Site News: The Good News Is I've Been Keeping Multiple Backups. The Bad News Is They Were Corrupted. |
| 20:36.23 | Dewin | I typed in "any technology" and it autosuggested the rest of the phrase, never had to actually submit the search |
| 20:36.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh that's a tricky multiline paste |
| 20:36.39 | Thunder_Child | but that isnt the correct quote |
| 20:36.57 | Dewin | the other one it found is "any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced" |
| 20:42.27 | bleeter | Clarke's First Law: When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. |
| 20:42.33 | bleeter | Clarke's Second Law: The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible. |
| 20:42.38 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.38 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.40 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.43 | bleeter | Clarke's Law of Revolutionary Ideas: Every revolutionary idea . in science, politics, art, or whatever . seems to evoke three stages of reaction. They may be summed up by the phrases: (1) "It's completely impossible . don't waste my time"; (2) "It's possible, but it's not worth doing"; (3) "I said it was a good idea all along." |
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| 20:47.54 | Proditor | Hey, any idea what I can do if the zip generator on wowinterface generates the wrong revision? :O |
| 20:51.49 | Proditor | Perhaps it's firefox spooking around.. |
| 20:51.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Curious, anyone pickup Fallout 3? |
| 20:52.44 | netcurse | yep |
| 20:52.46 | netcurse | buy it |
| 20:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I hear that the intro is uh |
| 20:52.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Borderline NSFW |
| 20:53.00 | netcurse | it's a very good game |
| 20:53.23 | Dashkal | netcurse: Do you need the story from the previous two or does it stand alone? |
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| 20:58.34 | netcurse | i didn't play 1 and 2 and i'm loving the 3 |
| 20:59.44 | netcurse | it's also important to know that fallout3 is NOT an FPS, most of the time you just use the slow motion mode and select what body part you wanna hit with action points |
| 21:02.21 | netcurse | and because i'm lame i'll be playing it tonight rather than going out for haloween =P |
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| 21:03.55 | Dashkal | netcurse: *snickers* I've got a party to hit tonight but I'll have a closer look later in the weekend |
| 21:04.10 | Dashkal | I'm eying guitar hero 2 for the wii so my gaming budget has competition |
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| 21:04.58 | Dashkal | my report is still there :p |
| 21:05.28 | Dashkal | wrong channel, whatever |
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| 21:08.30 | molgar | can anyone tell me how to remove the "realm name" in this line; fontstring:SetText(UnitName("TARGET")) |
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| 21:14.02 | Xuerian | molgar: Are you seriously asking that again? |
| 21:14.35 | Xuerian | You asked twice two days ago and were answered in both; one directly answering your question and one actually explaining how |
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| 21:15.16 | Xuerian | If you're going to both/either spam your questions across channels and not listen to responses and spam *again*... I have the feeling not many are going to help you |
| 21:15.21 | molgar | couldnt get it to work |
| 21:15.26 | Xuerian | Oh good lord #wowace explained it again |
| 21:15.30 | molgar | so i thought i got wrong awnser |
| 21:15.54 | Xuerian | Then you don't ask again. You say "This is how I was told to do it [link to pastey.net with your code]", does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?" |
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| 21:16.28 | Xuerian | Regulars in both channels were the ones that answered your question. It's not likely that they were wrong. |
| 21:16.45 | molgar | okey, sry about that then |
| 21:17.42 | Xuerian | Also, not everyone in here is as assholeish as me, but nontheless I stand by what I said :p |
| 21:18.10 | Dashkal | Xuerian: larting is an important and valuable service :p |
| 21:18.23 | Xuerian | Dashkal: It's not quite as fulfilling, though |
| 21:18.33 | molgar | Redguard helped me now with what i needed, think u just misunderstood, or i explaned it wrong, but its all fine now |
| 21:19.28 | Xuerian | molgar: That's good, then. Pastey'ing your code and linking to what you're currently trying is always a good idea, it both shows you're trying and makes it simpler to help you, if you only made a simple typo or the like |
| 21:19.53 | Dashkal | Xuerian: you're still being more helpful than many. So net win. I see aolbonics and just glaze over. |
| 21:20.13 | molgar | anlright, i'll do that next time |
| 21:29.55 | bleeter | bah, why is it impossible to keep a copy of ingame GM mails? |
| 21:30.15 | bleeter | does anyone know of an addon that'll copy a GM mail to a paste buffer? |
| 21:30.28 | Xuerian | Cairenn: Another new avatar? :p |
| 21:30.37 | Cairenn | just for Halloween |
| 21:31.01 | Xuerian | Ahaa |
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| 21:31.08 | Cairenn | and actually one that has been around since EQI days, just she doesn't come out very often |
| 21:31.15 | Xuerian | Oh o.0 |
| 21:32.07 | Cairenn | I had little doll avatars for all the major holidays & seasons that I made |
| 21:32.26 | Xuerian | Nifty =) |
| 21:32.29 | Cairenn | http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/ |
| 21:33.43 | Xuerian | wow 0_o |
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| 21:35.38 | Cairenn | I've got more little dolls that I've never added to the page, wasn't happy with how they turned out |
| 21:36.34 | Cairenn | http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/avatars/wow/cairwow2.gif for example |
| 21:36.43 | bleeter | phwoar http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/sigs/FunnyCair.gif fap fap fap |
| 21:36.51 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 21:37.18 | alestane | Cairenn: I like that picture. |
| 21:37.43 | Xuerian | Cairenn: It's nifty. The eye color is curious, but the rest is good =D |
| 21:37.55 | Xuerian | bleeter: Hahaha |
| 21:38.12 | Cairenn | that was the one I had on wowi for a while, before I decided I just needed a generic one that would work for all the sites, so got permission from RafM for the one I usually use now |
| 21:38.58 | Cairenn | there's actually a lot more colours in the eyes than it seems, but because it's pixel art and the colours are all so close it's hard to tell |
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| 21:40.09 | Llyarn | Greets everyone! |
| 21:40.14 | Cairenn | hi |
| 21:40.40 | Llyarn | Could you guys please point me to some basic addon-development tutorials? |
| 21:42.13 | Xuerian | Llyarn: Best way is to learn by doing/looking at working addons. What kind of addon do you want to write? |
| 21:42.16 | Aii | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API is a general resource for the API itself |
| 21:42.31 | Aii | and yes, as Xuerian said; one of the best ways to learn is looking at how other people did it |
| 21:42.40 | Cairenn | ~wowprogramming |
| 21:42.41 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 21:42.43 | Aii | general lua information is available at |
| 21:42.45 | Aii | ~pil |
| 21:42.45 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 21:43.02 | Cairenn | and of course (wonder if I get it right this time) |
| 21:43.05 | Cairenn | ~wowapi |
| 21:43.05 | purl | (.*?) http://www.wowwiki.com/API_$1 |
| 21:43.11 | Cairenn | grrr, nope |
| 21:43.13 | Aii | hehe |
| 21:43.19 | Cairenn | why do I always screw that one up |
| 21:43.21 | Aii | I already linked the wowwiki general page |
| 21:43.23 | Aii | :) |
| 21:43.28 | Cairenn | not looking for it :p |
| 21:43.30 | Llyarn | I know Lua, thanks :) And I donât think that I need that huge book just to look at how WoW addons are made |
| 21:43.39 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: what are you looking for? |
| 21:43.47 | zenzelezz | Blizzard's thing? |
| 21:44.00 | Cairenn | Llyarn: did you read the full text of what was in that link ... "or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com" |
| 21:44.00 | bleeter | hmm, have the consirtium stopped giving out gems in 3.0.x? |
| 21:44.06 | bleeter | consortium |
| 21:44.08 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: yar |
| 21:44.11 | zenzelezz | ~framexml |
| 21:44.12 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 21:44.15 | Kaelten | *tickles Cairenn* |
| 21:44.15 | Cairenn | that's it |
| 21:44.30 | Kaelten | :P |
| 21:44.42 | bleeter | mt |
| 21:45.13 | Llyarn | Xuerian: just want to have an overhead view at the process of addon building. And if it works for me, I wanna make my own UI just the way I want it. The stuff I use now doesnât seem to provide all the features I wanna have. |
| 21:45.19 | Kaelten | Aii: I was looking for you |
| 21:45.47 | Xuerian | Llyarn: Do you already know how to code in at least one language? |
| 21:46.04 | Llyarn | and⦠guys, Iâve skimmed over API and it doesnât help. I donât even know the basics: how are files organised, where to put what and such⦠|
| 21:46.32 | Llyarn | Xuerian: yeah, plenty of them. Ruby, PHP, C++, Lua⦠|
| 21:46.46 | Xuerian | Llyarn: Only two files are required. WoW\Interface\Addons\YourAddon\YourAddon.toc, ..\yourwhatever.lua (called in YourAddon.toc) |
| 21:46.58 | Cairenn | Llyarn: I say again: http://wowprogramming.com/ |
| 21:47.38 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:47.49 | Cairenn | stop tickling me guys, no fair! |
| 21:47.57 | zenzelezz | Llyarn: going to do you one last favor: http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Interface_customization - click around a LOT. It should have all the basic info you need |
| 21:48.00 | Llyarn | Cairenn: looking there now⦠API, Book, some utils I already downloaded⦠|
| 21:48.05 | Aii | tickling reserved for hubbies? |
| 21:48.06 | Dashkal | Must.resist.urge |
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| 21:48.45 | Llyarn | zenzelezz: so, just random clicking, eh? Nothing like âGetting Startedâ available? :) |
| 21:49.04 | zenzelezz | Llyarn: did you even visit the link? |
| 21:49.16 | zenzelezz | tutorials, howtos, all sorts of crap |
| 21:49.19 | zenzelezz | do some work |
| 21:49.23 | Llyarn | zenzelezz: Sure. Thatâs where I found this channel |
| 21:49.39 | Cairenn | (2008-10-31 17:45:52) Llyarn: and⦠guys, Iâve skimmed over API and it doesnât help. I donât even know the basics: how are files organised, where to put what and such⦠|
| 21:49.39 | Cairenn | Chapters Part I: Learning to Program Chapter 1: Programming for World of Warcraft , Chapter 2: Exploring Lua Basics , Chapter 3: Basic Functions and Control Structures , Chapter 4: Working with Tables , Chapter 5: Advanced Functions and Control Structures , Chapter 6: Lua Standard Libraries , Chapter 7: Learning XML Part II: Programming in World of Warcraft Chapter 8: Programming Within World of Warcraft , Chapter 9: Anatomy of an Ad |
| 21:50.20 | Llyarn | okay, Iâ ll go clicking wowwiki then⦠thanks |
| 21:51.02 | zenzelezz | we don't mind helping, but we expect you to do your part :) |
| 21:51.10 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 21:52.50 | Llyarn | Doing already :) |
| 21:52.50 | Llyarn | I just thought that tereâre already written some tutorials like âLetâs make our own user framesâ |
| 21:53.04 | Llyarn | â¢Unit frames |
| 21:53.19 | NightHawkTheSane | you wont find any tutorials like that outside of a standard "hello world" style |
| 21:53.22 | Cairenn | there's also: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 |
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| 21:56.21 | nevcairiel | Is there a API to get the current active tracking? I can only find SetTracking(id) to set it, or GetTrackingTexture() to get the texture of the current tracking, but i want the current id without iterating all textures :P |
| 21:57.40 | Syzgyn | nevcairiel: for achievements? |
| 21:57.50 | nevcairiel | no, the minimap tracking thing |
| 21:58.06 | Syzgyn | oh |
| 21:58.12 | Syzgyn | no idea then |
| 21:58.16 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: GetTrackingInfo() and GetNumTrackingTypes() seem to be it |
| 21:58.23 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 21:58.25 | nevcairiel | thanks anyway |
| 21:58.36 | NightHawkTheSane | `active` is a return from the former, and you'll have to iterate over the number in GetNumTrackingTypes |
| 22:00.02 | nevcairiel | yeah i've seen that |
| 22:00.02 | nevcairiel | just wanted to avoid it |
| 22:00.02 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* thats the only thing i saw in the api. |
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| 22:01.57 | vithos | hmm.. do all oUF castbars disappear when you spam the spell or is this a layout problem? (oUF_D3Orbs) |
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| 22:14.38 | kneeki | Must I move WoW to my Wine C drive? Or can I leave it on my extra drive (which is NTFS) ? |
| 22:15.46 | selckin | can configure drive's in wine |
| 22:16.03 | selckin | but mine complains about ddl's if its not in program files on my wine's c drive |
| 22:16.04 | kneeki | selckin: Oh? I just tell Wine that it's a drive then? |
| 22:16.14 | selckin | other ppl seem to manage tho |
| 22:16.22 | selckin | just rune wincfg |
| 22:16.33 | kneeki | I would really like to just leave it where it is. |
| 22:16.34 | selckin | move that e forward a few letters |
| 22:21.00 | kneeki | hmm |
| 22:21.01 | kneeki | no luck |
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| 22:23.49 | kneeki | The instruction at "0x005CE891" referenced memory at "0xFA038E7C". |
| 22:23.51 | kneeki | The memory could not be "written". |
| 22:25.02 | vithos | haste: ping |
| 22:25.12 | haste | vithos: pong |
| 22:25.30 | vithos | are you aware of the problem with castbars disappearing when you try to cast and you already are? |
| 22:28.30 | vithos | it happens with all the layouts i've tried |
| 22:33.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
| 22:35.18 | vithos | haste: strange... if i enable a bunch of layouts at the same time, there's no problem with the castbar |
| 22:35.59 | haste | vithos: it's a "known" issue, which I wasn't able to re-create when I tried it |
| 22:36.07 | haste | vithos: and I haven't had time after that |
| 22:36.36 | vithos | alright |
| 22:38.49 | vithos | oh.. if you just get "another action is in progress" it doens't happen, but "item is not ready yet" breaks it (casting hearthstone). so just trying to cast one extra time doesn't trigger it, you have to do it a few times in rapid succession |
| 22:49.00 | cogwheel | "Do you think we have enough candy to pass out tonight?" "No, we'd have to eat way more than that to pass out" |
| 22:49.53 | kd3 | anyone have any other achievements that keep changing "achieved on" dates? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065331406&sid=1 |
| 22:50.14 | Duman | kd3: known issue ;) |
| 22:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: most all of em' |
| 22:50.44 | kd3 | ah, figured it was a specific list |
| 22:50.50 | nevcairiel | i have a pretty fixed list thats always on my "newest" list |
| 22:50.57 | Duman | nah, anything you recently achieve |
| 22:51.28 | Duman | dey be broked |
| 22:51.28 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 22:51.50 | nevcairiel | I did alot of achievements the last week, and only one has the switching date |
| 22:51.56 | nevcairiel | all other have the right date |
| 22:52.01 | kd3 | odd that lunch lady's on that list but not any of the later achievements in the chain |
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| 22:59.03 | vithos | haste: i think i fixed it. the issue was UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED during a cast means a different cast failed to start, not that the current cast stopped. castbar.lua:50 has "if(not castbar.casting) then return end", removing the 'not' fixes fixes it. and the reason you couldn't reproduce it is probably that casting the same spell rapidly won't cause it, only items with cooldowns or i.e. having multiple spells macro'd together |
| 22:59.22 | AbsoRayne | Sleeeeeeeeeppppp... @_@ |
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| 23:10.31 | alestane | Does UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED have any arguments? |
| 23:12.03 | mikma | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED |
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| 23:14.05 | Dewin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPdP1jBfxzo <-- interesting |
| 23:14.10 | alestane | So yeah,check if the spell that failed is the one you're cast bar is showing? |
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| 23:18.21 | Nivelo | hello there, i know everyone is busy with halloween, but still i'd like to ask if anyone has any clues on how to make Blizzard Feedback UI work on non-beta clients... any help welcome |
| 23:20.51 | Dewin | I don't believe live servers are set up to handle the responses from it |
| 23:20.54 | alestane | Blizzard_FeedbackUI really isn't intended to be used with live clients...I'm not sure the architecture is set up on the other end to receive feedback requests. |
| 23:21.30 | Nivelo | will you spit on me when i tell you i don't plan to use it on live servers? |
| 23:21.40 | vithos | alestane: if you did it by spell name, then hitting hearthstone twice fast would erroneously cause the castbar to disappear. if the current cast really is stopping, it's a different event |
| 23:21.45 | Gryphen | -.- |
| 23:22.15 | alestane | I'm not sure that UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED isn't fired if, say, your target moves out of range, though. |
| 23:22.20 | Dewin | Nivelo: Regardless of your intent, it's unlikely the client itself has the functionality enabled either. |
| 23:23.01 | NeoTron | I must admit I dislike the lack of /bug and /suggest on the live realms |
| 23:23.02 | Hirsute | Nivelo: The only remaining option, of which I'm aware, is using it on a Private server. And I doubt you get much help with that in here either. |
| 23:23.17 | NeoTron | I'm sure it was abused but it's damn good for people who actually care |
| 23:23.26 | |Jelly| | http://members.nowpublic.com/environment/two-earthquakes-hit-dallas-early-halloween-scare kek |
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| 23:23.55 | Dewin | Neotron: An interesting way to do it would be to have a hidden cvar that enables it that the more technically inclined could set |
| 23:24.12 | Dewin | I usually just use report issue... which USUALLY actually has a GM respond even though it's not supposed to. |
| 23:24.32 | Nivelo | Hirsute, i can sort my trouble with private servers on my own, just seeked for advice from pros in UI bussines :) |
| 23:25.13 | Dewin | Nivelo: again, regardless of whether you're talking private servers or not, the live client likely does not even have the code to support the feedback UI |
| 23:25.29 | Nivelo | is there any function which tells client to mark addons old and not load it? |
| 23:25.47 | mikma | ~wowbible |
| 23:25.48 | purl | methinks wowbible is http://wowprogramming.com/docs |
| 23:26.13 | Nivelo | thanks |
| 23:26.51 | ccox | LOL - the dangers of translation: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7702913.stm |
| 23:27.26 | smcn | nice |
| 23:27.49 | smcn | i like the "translate server down" chinese restaurant (or whatever it was) better though |
| 23:27.57 | Dewin | lol |
| 23:28.02 | Fisker- | wtf that is welsh? :E |
| 23:28.36 | ccox | restaurant: http://i.justrealized.com/2008/07/04/funny-chinglish-translate-server-error/ |
| 23:29.31 | Dewin | hmm.. .Welsh Looks like Cymrian to me |
| 23:29.55 | Dewin | Though I'm one to talk, my nick is welsh ;) |
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| 23:31.54 | Dashkal | ooo, this would be nice: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/26/12065201405-knockback-effects-have-got-to-go.html |
| 23:32.05 | Dashkal | It's about KB in raiding |
| 23:32.13 | Dewin | http://www.geiriadur.net/atebion.php?direction=we&term=dewin&type=all&whichpart=exact&prefLang=en&uni=y |
| 23:32.58 | ccox | ok, I was just looking that up... |
| 23:33.18 | ccox | I knew I recognized the word from somewhere |
| 23:36.08 | ScytheBlade1 | asdf, how do I pull a dev version of an addon off of curseforge without using git/svn? |
| 23:36.14 | Dewin | ccox: It's quite likely that you know more welsh than I do :) |
| 23:36.54 | ccox | Nah, just had a roommate that spoke/wrote about 20 languages and had a thing for the British Isles |
| 23:37.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: you should be able to download the latest alpha from the project page |
| 23:37.09 | Dewin | Someone (incorrectly) informed me that Tolkien's elvish was based loosely off welsh. |
| 23:37.18 | ccox | That, and the girlfriend who wrote fantasy novels |
| 23:37.35 | Dewin | So, in a forum-based RPG, I used welsh for a lot of things. |
| 23:38.04 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: where? I'm not seeing it |
| 23:38.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: hm, are you logged in? |
| 23:38.27 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 23:38.29 | ScytheBlade1 | my account be broke |
| 23:38.31 | NightHawkTheSane | that would be why |
| 23:38.33 | Dewin | which led to dewin (or dewiniaid if the former is taken) as a nick, and my the spell my RPG character cast "alda cuivie" (trees awaken, loosely) |
| 23:38.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I see |
| 23:38.40 | Dewin | RPG druid character* |
| 23:38.43 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're not logged in, you only get the 'download from curse' link |
| 23:38.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Can you link me the latest embedded omen by chance? |
| 23:39.19 | NightHawkTheSane | http://static.wowace.com/uploads/18/305/404/Omen-RC3-27-g0cc456c.zip |
| 23:39.37 | Dewin | Now I'm curious, because that welsh translation reminds me of Cymrian (from the Rhapsody books by Elizabeth Hayden), so I wonder if there's a connection |
| 23:39.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ty |
| 23:39.47 | NightHawkTheSane | np |
| 23:43.34 | ccox | Dewin: I figured it was a druid :-) |
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| 23:44.15 | ccox | Dewin: yes, most of the languages in the area are loosely connected, until the romans came in and things got a bit mixed up |
| 23:47.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: any way to change Omen to display the 110/130% instead of the scaled 100%? |
| 23:47.44 | Xinhuan | it already is showing 110/130 |
| 23:47.52 | Xinhuan | there is no option to show scaled 100% |
| 23:47.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Weird, I pulled at 100% even |
| 23:48.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 23:48.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll pay more attention to it |
| 23:48.08 | Xinhuan | go get the latest alpha build btw |
| 23:48.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I did |
| 23:48.14 | ScytheBlade1 | 19:39 < NightHawkTheSane> http://static.wowace.com/uploads/18/305/404/Omen-RC3-27-g0cc456c.zip |
| 23:48.19 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 23:48.36 | Xinhuan | i'm not using the % values that blizz returns |
| 23:48.53 | Xinhuan | only number i'm using is theraw value |
| 23:49.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm k |
| 23:49.20 | Xinhuan | and the isTanking flag |
| 23:49.34 | Xinhuan | which would automatically mean that person's threat value is 100% |
| 23:49.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Right |
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| 23:59.39 | Shirik | oooOOOooo |
