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| 00:01.55 | Codex| | you guys know the haunted mementos item? |
| 00:02.01 | Codex| | makes a ghost follow you if its in your inventory |
| 00:02.07 | Codex| | and you can throw it at people? |
| 00:02.18 | Codex| | is there a way to make an addon hook so that this item cannot be thrown |
| 00:02.24 | Codex| | incase i accidently throw it at someone |
| 00:02.36 | bleeter | i right clicked on one last night to put it in the bank, the banker vanished |
| 00:02.46 | bleeter | wandered over to another banker, item gone from Inv |
| 00:02.50 | Codex| | i heard, and the auctioneer vanishes too |
| 00:02.56 | bleeter | original banker respawned... item was there again. totally weird >< |
| 00:03.09 | Codex| | would it be hard to make an addon to lock this item |
| 00:03.15 | Codex| | like the old mod Sell Lock |
| 00:03.26 | Codex| | (cannot trade, de, sell, etc any item on the sell lock list) |
| 00:03.57 | bleeter | so I found out the workaround for my issue, drag it between bank/bag |
| 00:04.31 | bleeter | I'm just more pissedd off that the water bucket from HH daily is conjured.. each time I log out BLIZZ BE STEELIN MY BUKKITT |
| 00:04.39 | bleeter | ;) |
| 00:04.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart bleeter |
| 00:04.45 | purl | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in bleeter's direction, hitting bleeter and sending bleeter flying into the closet |
| 00:04.50 | Codex| | bleeter: how did you make the banker disapear? |
| 00:04.56 | Codex| | threw it at him rather than dragged it? |
| 00:05.12 | bleeter | Codex|: had the bank bags open, banker as my current target, then right clicked the momento in my bag |
| 00:05.17 | Codex| | eek |
| 00:05.27 | Codex| | yea, how can i make this item unthrowable with an addon |
| 00:05.30 | Codex| | like unusable |
| 00:05.43 | bleeter | if I knew, I would've answered before when you asked |
| 00:05.48 | Codex| | oh |
| 00:05.49 | Codex| | sorry |
| 00:07.21 | Codex| | anybody have any ideas |
| 00:08.05 | bleeter | I've got a brilliant idea |
| 00:08.07 | bleeter | MOAR COFFEE |
| 00:09.29 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: while yer larting me, lart me about also being pissed off at lack of zombie forum avatars ;) |
| 00:09.59 | bleeter | ok, serious moment folks... |
| 00:10.01 | NightHawkTheSane | damn, that would have been awesome |
| 00:10.17 | bleeter | Does anyone know of any other game company that have *purposefully* put a 'worldwide' virus into their game? |
| 00:10.59 | Codex| | introversion software? |
| 00:11.41 | Codex| | ~seen gnarfoz |
| 00:11.44 | purl | gnarfoz is currently on #wowhead (36m 19s) #wowuidev (36m 19s) #wowace (36m 19s) #curseforge (36m 19s) #wowwiki (36m 19s). Has said a total of 600 messages. Is idling for 11m 2s, last said: ';)'. |
| 00:13.02 | Codex| | Poke, Gnarfoz |
| 00:13.25 | bleeter | no need to poke, you've just pinged him twice why the third? |
| 00:13.34 | Codex| | moar pingz |
| 00:13.36 | NightHawkTheSane | to get the point across |
| 00:13.41 | Codex| | yes |
| 00:13.41 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: ping |
| 00:13.42 | NightHawkTheSane | or, the ping, as it were |
| 00:14.10 | Codex| | ~seen kaso |
| 00:14.11 | purl | kaso <n=Kaso@78.151.165.69> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 3d 5h 18m 24s ago, saying: 'damn everyone else who has a name with "k"'. |
| 00:14.21 | NightHawkTheSane | dammit, has someone written an addon to automatically click "okay" for "looting this will bind it to you" dialogs when you're solo? |
| 00:14.32 | mikma | gnarfoz: ping ping pong pong table |
| 00:14.34 | Codex| | i think its in interface options now :P |
| 00:14.58 | Codex| | no, im wrong |
| 00:15.16 | bleeter | from memory, Classic will still force the dialog. Only BC stuff won't. |
| 00:15.26 | bleeter | don't quote me on that, tho |
| 00:15.54 | NightHawkTheSane | that doesn't answer my question |
| 00:16.01 | mikma | mike-n-go: the first 3 letters of yout nick rules! |
| 00:16.06 | mikma | mikk: the first 3 letters of yout nick rules! |
| 00:16.09 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: tangentally, I think it does. |
| 00:16.15 | mikma | copypaste fail |
| 00:16.18 | mikma | QQ |
| 00:16.22 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: as in 'can't be done, hence BC behaviour changed' |
| 00:16.43 | Codex| | NightHawkTheSane: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11404-cAutoConfirmLoot.html |
| 00:16.53 | bleeter | oh well |
| 00:16.54 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: can't be done? hmmm |
| 00:16.58 | Codex| | "cAutoConfirmLoot " |
| 00:16.58 | bleeter | I love to be proved wrong =)) |
| 00:17.06 | Codex| | check that link |
| 00:17.11 | Codex| | "cAutoConfirmLoot is a very small AddOn that automaticly confirms the BindOnPickup dialoge. |
| 00:17.11 | Codex| | Usefull eg. when you are soloing instances or when you are fishing for some special fishes... " |
| 00:17.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Codex|: thank you |
| 00:17.47 | bleeter | that looks fairly recent, wonder if it's new API foo |
| 00:18.49 | NightHawkTheSane | I got really pissed at having to click "okay" 60some times for every damn necrotic rune |
| 00:19.14 | NightHawkTheSane | "yes it's okay, you damn game, i'm alone, who else would want it!" |
| 00:19.17 | mikma | he said he cant fix the popup |
| 00:19.25 | Codex| | anyone use tiptac and xperl? when i mouse over a party unitframe, i see the classic blizzard one overlaid on top of tiptac, and then the blizzard one is hidden after 2 seconds |
| 00:19.28 | Codex| | its really annoying |
| 00:19.32 | mikma | maybe i should comment that unrwgister the event |
| 00:20.08 | NightHawkTheSane | you should, mikma |
| 00:20.14 | Zeksie | Codex| sounds like an issue with tiptac. using TinyTip and it's working fine, so prolly something to do with their hooking method. |
| 00:20.23 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: too lazy =/ |
| 00:20.30 | Codex| | let me go check tinytip |
| 00:20.31 | Codex| | thanks |
| 00:20.36 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: tell me what event at least ;) |
| 00:20.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: holy crap, sexymap is -sexy- |
| 00:21.15 | Antiarc | That's why I didn't call it NicePersonalityMap |
| 00:21.18 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: according to comments on that addon, you need ConfirmBindOnUse to totally remove the dialog, but it's protected. |
| 00:21.37 | bleeter | or to genuinely 'accept' it, not skip the dialog.. hmm /shrug |
| 00:22.18 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: ramming.com/docs/events/LOOT_BIND_CONFIRM |
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| 00:22.23 | mikma | uhhhhh |
| 00:22.27 | mikma | fail+ |
| 00:22.39 | Codex| | so anyone have an idea how to lock the haunted mementos so it cant be thrown? |
| 00:22.41 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/LOOT_BIND_CONFIRM |
| 00:22.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ... ramming.com? >.> |
| 00:23.02 | Shirik | fail++? |
| 00:23.11 | Codex| | LOL |
| 00:23.30 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_102808_005127.jpg |
| 00:23.49 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: this device does that sometimes |
| 00:24.14 | mikma | when i click the urlbar it shows me the line is painted, yet it leaves part out |
| 00:27.14 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: basicly UIKParent:UnregisterEvent("LOOT_BIND_CONFIRM") would do the trick |
| 00:27.41 | mikma | s/UIKParent/UIParent/ |
| 00:27.47 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: heh, was just opening wowcompares to look for that, thanks :) |
| 00:27.48 | Gnarfoz | or use ConfirmLootSlot? |
| 00:27.51 | Gnarfoz | it's not protected. |
| 00:27.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ NicePersonalityMap |
| 00:28.33 | Gnarfoz | neither is ConfirmBindOnUse, whatever you'd use *that* for, because that's the dialog that you get on first equipping of a BoE item |
| 00:29.28 | mikma | UIParent:UnregisterEvent("DUEL_REQUESTED") <- peace from duels |
| 00:29.50 | Gnarfoz | yeah, people will think you're afk |
| 00:29.52 | mikma | gnarfoz: equip item |
| 00:29.56 | Gnarfoz | even though you're running around |
| 00:30.07 | Gnarfoz | mikma: huuuuh what your keyboard is broken |
| 00:30.09 | mikma | that will result confirmbindonuse |
| 00:30.16 | NightHawkTheSane | I use tekNoDuel >.> |
| 00:30.24 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: that declines, probably? |
| 00:30.28 | mikma | no its not broken, its just tiny |
| 00:30.29 | Gnarfoz | which is more polite ^^ |
| 00:30.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: not only that, but it sends a rude message to boot! |
| 00:30.40 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 00:30.43 | Gnarfoz | mikma: it's about not having to click annoying loot dialogues |
| 00:30.58 | Gnarfoz | not about not clicking BoE equip confirmation dialogues |
| 00:31.26 | mikma | well sometimes the messages are good |
| 00:31.46 | mikma | but in this case, fishing old crafty and co, its bad |
| 00:32.01 | NightHawkTheSane | or looting ~50 necrotic runes. |
| 00:32.08 | Gnarfoz | or farming strath |
| 00:32.09 | mikma | lol yeah |
| 00:32.12 | mikma | did that |
| 00:32.20 | mikma | did that too |
| 00:32.42 | NightHawkTheSane | and it really sucks when you're trying to loot mobs at the same time as kill 10 more, and are maneouvereing your horde around the corpse so you can click it.. |
| 00:33.18 | mikma | "oh shet, ima gunna die, loot loot loooooot" |
| 00:33.31 | Shirik | ... |
| 00:33.31 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, more like "i have no idea when i'll actually get out of combat, i'd better loot these before they despawn" |
| 00:33.49 | mikma | err |
| 00:34.06 | mikma | your a paladin with level10 weapon? |
| 00:34.24 | NightHawkTheSane | paladin yes, but chain pulling any mob i can get a tag on :P |
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| 00:36.57 | NeoTron | I see a use for an addon that removes the loot dialog on certain items in certain situations |
| 00:37.15 | NeoTron | 1) Always in solo mode, 2) in groups for certain items such as scourge stones and necrotic runes |
| 00:37.39 | NightHawkTheSane | you're a little late to the conversation :p |
| 00:37.42 | Codex| | tinytip threw 50 errors to bugsack |
| 00:37.43 | Codex| | :( |
| 00:38.13 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: a few minutes :P |
| 00:38.19 | Arrowmaster | works fine for me |
| 00:38.20 | Lukian | Codex|, use Startip :) |
| 00:38.59 | Lunessa | I personally <3 TipTop |
| 00:40.29 | mikma | codex|: get the latest |
| 00:41.17 | mikma | http://thrae-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/TinyTip |
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| 00:42.42 | Codex| | anyones auldlangsyne broken? |
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| 00:44.11 | Arrowmaster | yes everybodys |
| 00:46.52 | Codex| | damn |
| 00:46.55 | Codex| | any ETA on it? |
| 00:47.38 | mikma | 2 |
| 00:47.47 | Lunessa | I ditched it when the key feature was added to the default ui. |
| 00:47.54 | Shirik | 2 galactic standard weeks? |
| 00:48.07 | Lunessa | Seriously man? Check for updates on the AddOn's home site. |
| 00:48.28 | Shirik | why are weeks 7 days long? |
| 00:48.40 | mikma | shirik: between, yes |
| 00:49.05 | mikma | i blame religion |
| 00:50.59 | mikma | i saw a great clock in the newspaper |
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| 00:51.22 | Shirik | I saw a great clock on my computer |
| 00:52.07 | mikma | i think i cant find info about it so ill just tell |
| 00:52.32 | mikma | it has numbers 0-99, and shows you how old you are =D |
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| 00:52.50 | Shirik | ow |
| 00:52.51 | Shirik | mean |
| 00:52.54 | NightHawkTheSane | what about people who are older than 99? |
| 00:53.03 | mikma | goes around maybe once... if you live that old |
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| 00:54.15 | mikma | looks like a regular analog clock, but with 1 hand |
| 00:55.21 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, and what's it doing with it's OTHER hand? HMMMMM??? |
| 00:56.13 | mikma | i can spoil the fun |
| 00:56.17 | mikma | nothing. |
| 00:56.46 | NightHawkTheSane | So. I've got the tabard, horn, and both purchasable pieces of gear on my pally. what else do i need necrotic runes for? >.> |
| 00:57.07 | mikma | mp and hp bottles |
| 00:57.19 | mikma | and sharpeningstones |
| 00:57.31 | NightHawkTheSane | meh. i dont know if its worth explicitly farming for them, though |
| 00:57.46 | NightHawkTheSane | but given that ill probably try and kill elites/rares for the other 2 gear drops. |
| 00:57.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ill probably get runes anyway |
| 00:58.12 | Shirik | yay! |
| 00:58.17 | Shirik | 2 days of debugging I finally find my problem |
| 00:58.22 | Shirik | Die, Shirik_! |
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| 01:00.00 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, worst bug I've ever had took me a week solid to track down. |
| 01:00.21 | Shirik | Well this one was pretty awesome |
| 01:00.46 | Shirik | This bug was classic: Forgot to initialize a var. Problem was the default value for the var was correct about 80% of the time |
| 01:00.52 | ZorbaTHut | whoops :D |
| 01:00.54 | Shirik | so it didn't occur to me that it wasn't initialized because it usually worked |
| 01:01.07 | ZorbaTHut | that is pretty awesome, yeah |
| 01:01.17 | Shirik | finally I traced it while the thread was starting up, and said "Wait a second, those two numbers weren't the same..." |
| 01:01.32 | ZorbaTHut | one of the best bugs I've seen was a situation in C++ where an int dropped out of scope, and then the programmer had made a new int |
| 01:01.41 | ZorbaTHut | he's *intended* to assign the new int the value of the old one |
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| 01:01.49 | ZorbaTHut | but he'd forgotten |
| 01:02.06 | ZorbaTHut | it worked anyway, for a while, because the new int happened to start in the same memory location the old one had just vacated. |
| 01:02.13 | Shirik | nice |
| 01:02.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ooh, thats nasty |
| 01:02.22 | Shirik | yeah I would assume most compilers would optimize that way |
| 01:02.29 | ZorbaTHut | it only actually crashed when someone happened to add a new temporary int to the function for other purposes, at which point where was much confusion until they finally deciphered the issue |
| 01:03.07 | Shirik | I can't think of any particularly awesome bugs I've had in the past unfortunately |
| 01:03.18 | Shirik | I've probably had some just can't remember them |
| 01:03.35 | ZorbaTHut | the worst one I had was an unexpected interaction between three separate modules that were written a year or two apart, one of which was the system memory allocator |
| 01:03.36 | Shirik | now |
| 01:03.41 | Shirik | Shirik_, please don't crash when I do this :( |
| 01:03.52 | Shirik | yay! |
| 01:04.23 | ZorbaTHut | it resulted in constant mutex contention with the only mutex in the program that we *didn't* have performance analyzers attached to (one of the reasons it took so long.) |
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| 01:17.25 | Lunessa | "And I submit that this is what the real, no-bull- value of your liberal-arts education is supposed to be about: How to keep from going through your comfortable, prosperous, respectable adult life dead, unconscious, a slave to your head and to your natural default-setting of being uniquely, completely, imperially alone, day in and day out." David Foster Wallace |
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| 01:27.45 | NightHawkTheSane | anyone know where staticpopup_show is defined? |
| 01:28.03 | Shirik | oh god I used to know that |
| 01:29.30 | Lunessa | http://wowcompares.com/3029056/FrameXML/StaticPopup.lua |
| 01:30.21 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:30.23 | Shirik | wow |
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| 01:30.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 01:30.47 | NightHawkTheSane | well I feel stupid |
| 01:30.57 | Shirik | has it always been there? |
| 01:31.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Thank you, Lunessa :) |
| 01:31.10 | Lunessa | It's defined near the end. :) |
| 01:31.42 | Lunessa | Well, like the last thrid. |
| 01:33.27 | Shirik | hrm |
| 01:37.34 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, the function itself isn't actually waht i wanted, i just figured what i wanted would be defined in the same place ;) |
| 01:37.44 | NightHawkTheSane | but in either case, i found what i need :) |
| 01:42.16 | Duman | BRAINS |
| 01:42.30 | Syzgyn | Braaaiinnss |
| 01:43.22 | NightHawkTheSane | zooooombiiieeeeesss |
| 01:49.03 | cog|away | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12060685987&sid=1 |
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| 01:50.35 | bleeter | lololol at the avatars |
| 01:50.54 | bleeter | better late than never :D |
| 01:51.31 | Cairenn | rofl bleeter |
| 01:53.32 | Lunessa | The whole point of being a zombie is ... well, being 'late.' |
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| 01:54.14 | bleeter | man, I've needed a damn good lol for the past few weeks. Thanks for the whole zombie thing, Blizz :) |
| 01:54.37 | bleeter | cog|away: when you teach noobs to fish, do you give them glow in the dark eyes too? I suspect they might be kinda handy :) |
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| 01:55.25 | Lunessa | I think right now he gives them a new lease on (un)life. |
| 01:55.27 | Adys | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11162847363&sid=1 |
| 01:55.31 | Adys | halloween avatar? |
| 01:55.32 | Adys | seriously? |
| 01:56.29 | bleeter | I think it's kinda wonderful timing the world event and the headless horseman at the same time |
| 01:56.32 | cog|away | it's actually just decomposition emissions... There's a biolumenescent bacteria present in many gnomes that blooms upon exposure to the plague. See also, Lopeppeppy, Crepe |
| 01:56.36 | smcn | okay has anyone else had a problem with master looter? i can't loot to anyone in the group. turned off all my loot mods. |
| 01:56.40 | bleeter | messes with theming, no doubt, but still rather awesome timing |
| 01:57.17 | bleeter | cog|away: yeah, I'd hide after giving an explanation like that, too :P |
| 01:57.58 | Duman | heheh |
| 01:58.03 | Lunessa | cog|away: ewwww |
| 02:04.02 | Duman | the axe from the new kara boss is awesome |
| 02:04.23 | Duman | the on-use, that is |
| 02:04.26 | Duman | well, the axe is decent, too |
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| 02:14.43 | Amarande | so, what's the status on zombies? |
| 02:14.51 | ZorbaTHut | zombies gone :( |
| 02:14.53 | bleeter | BBBRRAAAAINNNZZZZ |
| 02:14.59 | bleeter | they've invaded the blizz forums |
| 02:15.16 | bleeter | in game is clear, at least for now :) |
| 02:15.40 | cog|away | rest of the website next, perhaps? |
| 02:16.11 | Amarande | woohoo, zombies are gone |
| 02:17.25 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, brains have invaded the blizz forums?? that would certianly be a first |
| 02:17.37 | bleeter | cog|away: probably. after all, it's well known that there are no brains in CA or TX... ;) |
| 02:18.21 | Amarande | 50% of the world's population has below average intelligence |
| 02:18.56 | bleeter | and 99% of them play WoW |
| 02:18.58 | Syzgyn | ~bonk Amarande |
| 02:18.59 | purl | ACTION bonks syzgyn on behalf of Amarande |
| 02:19.09 | Syzgyn | wait what? |
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| 02:19.12 | Stanzilla | pwnd |
| 02:19.14 | Dashkal | lol |
| 02:19.22 | bleeter | hah |
| 02:19.24 | Syzgyn | Thats not right :V |
| 02:19.36 | Dashkal | ~literal bonk (.*?) |
| 02:19.37 | purl | ACTION bonks dashkal on behalf of (.*?) |
| 02:19.53 | bleeter | well |
| 02:20.02 | bleeter | I guess it comes down to which definition of bonk you're using |
| 02:21.00 | Thunder_Child | ~literal CMD: bonk (.*?) |
| 02:21.01 | purl | "cmd: bonk (.*?)" is "($1): <action> bonks $nick on behalf of $1" |
| 02:21.30 | Dashkal | hrm, never seen CMD: before |
| 02:24.11 | Thunder_Child | now you have |
| 02:24.13 | Thunder_Child | :) |
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| 02:31.54 | Tekkub | ARGH! |
| 02:32.00 | Tekkub | A second hallowed helm |
| 02:32.04 | Tekkub | FUCK YOU INNKEEPER |
| 02:32.47 | kd3 | gah |
| 02:32.50 | kd3 | I still need my first |
| 02:32.59 | kd3 | did get the squashling, at least |
| 02:33.01 | Tekkub | I WANT THE DAMN PET |
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| 02:38.12 | Codex| | when i mouse over totems, it says: loc: arathi basin or loc: slave pens |
| 02:38.24 | Codex| | now thats stupid :s |
| 02:38.26 | Codex| | im in BT |
| 02:41.29 | Lunessa | I still need the damned squashling. Good thing I'm only trying to do this on one toon. |
| 02:42.37 | Tekkub | same here |
| 02:43.27 | Codex| | just need the mount myself. have 3 squashlings and 2 helms |
| 02:44.52 | sacarasc | i have the mount and a helm, but all i wanted was a squashling |
| 02:44.53 | NightHawkTheSane | I somehow managed to get both the pet and hat on two characteers.. weee |
| 02:44.56 | Tekkub | fuck you, and your mount |
| 02:44.56 | Lunessa | I would like the mount for my Warlock, but I really don't have the time to do it all. |
| 02:45.02 | NightHawkTheSane | i've yet to ever see a moount drop, on any toon |
| 02:45.07 | Tekkub | fuck you... with your mount ;P |
| 02:45.27 | Lunessa | Tekky, you say the sweetest things. /shiver /moan |
| 02:45.39 | Tekkub | not you, Codex| |
| 02:45.48 | Tekkub | you can have a ride too if you want though |
| 02:46.04 | NightHawkTheSane | tek gives everyone a ride. :D |
| 02:46.26 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I think you didn't make the list. |
| 02:46.56 | Codex| | warlocks already get a fiery horse |
| 02:46.56 | Codex| | :P |
| 02:47.07 | Dewin | We finally have a good attempt on Illidari Council |
| 02:47.11 | Dewin | and we all lag out of the instance at 39% |
| 02:47.16 | cog|away | for the gnome ladys http://cogwheel.info/wow/assets/cogflex.png |
| 02:47.18 | cog|away | <.< |
| 02:47.18 | Lunessa | I want one with GREEN fire that FLYS |
| 02:47.19 | cog|away | >.> |
| 02:47.20 | Dewin | the ONLY lag spike we've had ALL DAY |
| 02:47.28 | cog|away | +correct spelling |
| 02:47.37 | Tekkub | warlocks should see a doctor about that burning sensation between their legs when they ride their mount |
| 02:48.04 | Lunessa | Tekkub: I went to the clinic, and they told me to rub it with lotion. |
| 02:48.16 | Lunessa | cog|away: Pants are NOT optional! |
| 02:48.26 | Tekkub | <--- anti-pants |
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| 02:49.31 | bleeter | couldn't be bothered with the masks |
| 02:49.46 | Tekkub | stupid masks |
| 02:50.12 | Amarande | bleeter: that's being nerfed after the patch :) |
| 02:50.20 | Amarande | it was actually 100% impossible to complete the 20 masks achievement anyway |
| 02:50.22 | Tekkub | they should change the achievement to doing the fires and killing the HH while wearing a mask |
| 02:50.37 | Amarande | something like blizzard failing to implement blood elf and draenei masks ... |
| 02:50.46 | Amarande | which is just ... fail |
| 02:51.10 | Amarande | I guess understandable fail since they were so focused on 3.0.2 that they probably didn't put as much emphasis on the holiday stuff, but still ... :| |
| 02:51.15 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.23 | Lunessa | My main toon is named "Unkle" and I picked up the Jenkins title... It's funny to see me as "Unkle Jenkins" |
| 02:51.40 | bleeter | Salty Unkle Jenkins would just be real wrong |
| 02:51.41 | Tekkub | "Private Milken" is funnier |
| 02:51.45 | bleeter | so hope you don't fish |
| 02:51.57 | Tekkub | I like that guy, lil dorf mule on my server in exodar |
| 02:52.09 | Lunessa | not on that toon, but I might now. |
| 02:52.22 | Tekkub | Salty Unkle |
| 02:52.41 | Tekkub | Elder Unkle |
| 02:52.56 | Amarande | heh |
| 02:52.56 | Tekkub | Unkle Merrymaker is kinda scary |
| 02:52.58 | Lunessa | Now I can be the creepy uncle everyone tells their shrink about 20 years on... |
| 02:53.05 | Amarande | I wonder if there are any characters whose names begin OK and unreportable |
| 02:53.21 | Amarande | but have their names reported and forced to be changed due to a sexual reference etc. that becomes present when they earn particular titles |
| 02:53.29 | Amarande | (probably especially ones like 'Private') |
| 02:53.32 | Tekkub | Unkle the Explorer |
| 02:53.42 | Lunessa | I have that one on beta. |
| 02:53.53 | Amarande | can a title cause your character name to become unacceptable? |
| 02:53.58 | Lunessa | On live I have Unkle of the Shattered Sun. |
| 02:54.00 | Amarande | if it was acceptable by the TOS before you earned it? |
| 02:54.07 | Tekkub | Unkle THe Love Fool |
| 02:54.13 | Lunessa | Hahaha |
| 02:58.10 | Lunessa | I see Tekkub as the orange & white cat... http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/10/27/funny-pictures-oh-yeah-theyre-going-crazy/ |
| 02:58.22 | Tekkub | my cats are black |
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| 03:02.42 | Lunessa | Yes, but I can just see you blowing a 'silent' whistle to tease the dogs. |
| 03:07.38 | Tekkub | see, I'd rather do mean things to people I don't like that involve some urine from a bitch in heat than some puny whistle |
| 03:08.05 | Tekkub | like say, the ex-roomie's psychotic GF |
| 03:12.13 | Shirik | Anyone here who's good with the Lua API, figured I'd ask. The highlighted line is causing a Lua panic and I don't see why: http://wowi.pastey.net/99919 |
| 03:12.14 | NightHawkTheSane | haha... |
| 03:12.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Sen. Stevens can't vote now! |
| 03:12.49 | Tekkub | panic just doesn't do it for me |
| 03:13.00 | Tekkub | I want it to be "kernel freak out!" |
| 03:13.11 | Shirik | only you, Tekkub |
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| 03:15.59 | Proditor | Heya, anyone here who perhaps got some time answer a few questions about SVN? Wondering a bit on how I should set up the libs I'm using in my addon. |
| 03:16.36 | Shirik | generally libraries are integrated into a project by using svn:externals |
| 03:17.11 | |Yssaril| | anyone have any suggestions for a simple swingtimer addon? |
| 03:17.26 | Adys | think quartz_swing does that |
| 03:17.51 | Yssaril | idk if i would call quartz simple :P |
| 03:18.03 | Adys | yeah, but if you're already using it its just a plugin to it |
| 03:18.14 | Adys | module even |
| 03:19.00 | Proditor | Shirik: I see, do you know anywhere I can read up on it? I'm completely new to using SVNs and I'm more or less clueless. Wondering kinda on how I should set up the directories locally aswell |
| 03:19.20 | Shirik | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/ch07s03.html |
| 03:19.24 | Shirik | the svnbook is god for svn |
| 03:19.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I've got a better book |
| 03:19.34 | ScytheBlade1 | !g git man |
| 03:19.35 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: git(1) <http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/> |
| 03:19.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ^^ |
| 03:19.54 | *** kick/#wowuidev [ScytheBlade1!n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (I cannot legally say what I want to say here, so I put this message instead) |
| 03:19.59 | *** join/#wowuidev ScytheBlade1 (n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 03:20.01 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ legally |
| 03:20.21 | ScytheBlade1 | too easy to troll, btw |
| 03:20.23 | Shirik | Fix my Lua problem, ScytheBlade1! |
| 03:20.26 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 03:20.28 | ScytheBlade1 | What is it? |
| 03:20.37 | Shirik | (23:12:13) (@Shirik) Anyone here who's good with the Lua API, figured I'd ask. The highlighted line is causing a Lua panic and I don't see why: http://wowi.pastey.net/99919 |
| 03:21.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I haven't done lua outside of the language itself |
| 03:21.00 | Proditor | Shirik: thank you |
| 03:21.07 | Shirik | no problem, Proditor |
| 03:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Not much use to you, sorry |
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| 03:22.52 | Tem | this is stupid |
| 03:22.55 | Tem | I'm in a BT pug |
| 03:23.00 | Shirik | you should configure your client to auto-rejoin, ScytheBlade1 :) |
| 03:23.02 | Tem | most of the group is crazy undergeared |
| 03:23.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I see a problem already |
| 03:23.08 | Tem | we just oneshot mother sharaz |
| 03:23.10 | Tem | with no SR |
| 03:23.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ........ gg |
| 03:23.13 | ScytheBlade1 | WOW |
| 03:23.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That's impressive |
| 03:23.21 | Shirik | DEBUG ASSERTION FAILED! |
| 03:23.40 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12060676048&sid=1#27 <-- rofl |
| 03:24.03 | Adys | I should get a ssc&tk pug to finish my old vials quest |
| 03:25.11 | Amarande | Adys: depending on your quest status, btw, you can still get Hand of A'dal |
| 03:25.18 | Amarande | apparently, it works like this |
| 03:25.23 | Adys | i thought thats been hotifxed |
| 03:25.28 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:25.31 | Amarande | haven't heard of that |
| 03:25.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: a lot of the channels I'm in, auto-rejoin is considered rude |
| 03:25.35 | Adys | works like what? |
| 03:25.41 | Amarande | what I last heard was that after 3.0.2 you could get the Naaru or A'dal titles -if-: |
| 03:25.42 | kd3 | some guildies got it a few days ago |
| 03:25.50 | kd3 | had to be on the last step of the chain |
| 03:25.58 | Adys | What chain? |
| 03:26.03 | Amarande | if and only if you were on the last steps of ALL chains involved |
| 03:26.21 | Adys | erm.. |
| 03:26.27 | Tekkub | heh, someone noticed I have my rocket bot you |
| 03:26.29 | Shirik | For those who care to know: The answer to my problem was that lua_insert() pops off the top of the stack |
| 03:26.33 | Tekkub | summons hers, mine wins |
| 03:26.35 | Adys | hand of adal is the tk&vashj vial only isnt it? |
| 03:26.35 | Tekkub | again... |
| 03:26.40 | Amarande | Adys: no |
| 03:26.46 | Amarande | you had to do the Medallion of Karabor chain too |
| 03:26.48 | kd3 | BT attunement too |
| 03:26.48 | Tekkub | goes out of range, summons, runs in... mine wins |
| 03:26.53 | Tekkub | she cries |
| 03:26.54 | Adys | ow didnt know |
| 03:26.59 | Amarande | if you did that, then as long as you have a Vials of Eternity quest you picked up before patch, you're OK for title |
| 03:27.24 | Amarande | similarly, the key quests for Naaru title were the one where you kill Gruul and Nightbane (don't remember the name) and Trial of the Naaru: Magtheridon |
| 03:27.36 | kd3 | cudgel of kardesh |
| 03:27.38 | Adys | i got the cotn title |
| 03:28.07 | Amarande | I'm not sure if they hotfixed such a minor thing |
| 03:28.16 | Adys | eh its not really minor |
| 03:28.18 | Amarande | I do know they fixed it so you can't share pre-patch final chain quests with people |
| 03:28.28 | Amarande | but I don't know if they hotfixed it if you personally had those quests still |
| 03:28.31 | Shirik | lua> (":simmons.freenode.net 376 Shirik_ :End of /MOTD command."):match(".*376 [^:]:.*") |
| 03:28.32 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 03:28.34 | Shirik | gah! |
| 03:28.41 | Adys | if its intended then yeah |
| 03:28.47 | Adys | if its not intended it warrants a hotfix |
| 03:29.10 | Shirik | lua> (":simmons.freenode.net 376 Shirik_ :End of /MOTD command."):match(".*376 [^:]*:.*") |
| 03:29.10 | lua_bot | Shirik: :simmons.freenode.net 376 Shirik_ :End of /MOTD command. |
| 03:29.12 | Amarande | I suspect they wanted you to still be able to turn them in if they were finished but created a bug where if you hadn't done the final raids yet, you could still do it |
| 03:29.17 | Legorol | so let me get this straight: the way to get one of the titles still is if you had the relevant quest already pre-patch? |
| 03:29.24 | Amarande | Legorol: yeah |
| 03:29.26 | kd3 | yes |
| 03:29.30 | Legorol | but if you pick it up now, you can't do it anymore, right? |
| 03:29.32 | Amarande | and it has to be the FINAL quest in ALL chains concerned |
| 03:29.33 | Amarande | right |
| 03:29.35 | Amarande | what they did, apparently |
| 03:29.39 | Amarande | and this suggests that this is WAI |
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| 03:29.51 | Amarande | is they made a copy of the end quest for all such chains |
| 03:29.57 | Amarande | (counting Vials of Eternity as a chain of one, basically) |
| 03:30.00 | Legorol | how about the following scenario: someone had pre-patch Vial of Eternity, but didn't do BT attunement yet, not even started |
| 03:30.03 | Legorol | are they screwed then? |
| 03:30.06 | Amarande | Legorol: yeah |
| 03:30.10 | Amarande | they need the final BT attunement quest too |
| 03:30.12 | Legorol | poor guy :/ |
| 03:30.19 | Lunessa | So, my Trial of the Narru quest to kill Magtheridon might still net me a title? |
| 03:30.27 | kd3 | lun; probably |
| 03:30.27 | Amarande | basically, the titles are tied to having completed certain specific quest ID's |
| 03:30.31 | Amarande | what they did, was this |
| 03:30.34 | Adys | for what i understand yes |
| 03:30.35 | Legorol | if you have already done cudgel of kardesh, Lunessa |
| 03:30.44 | kd3 | or are still on it |
| 03:30.46 | Amarande | they created new, identical end quests for those chains |
| 03:30.52 | Legorol | Amarande: right, and they changed quest ID for just the end quests |
| 03:30.55 | Amarande | yeah |
| 03:31.04 | Legorol | do you know if they changed both end quests for each? |
| 03:31.14 | Amarande | yeah, they changed all of them as far as I know |
| 03:31.15 | Adys | anyone done the SSC fish boss achievement solo btw? |
| 03:31.15 | Legorol | ie. change vials and BT for A'dal |
| 03:31.16 | Amarande | which is why I can't get mine |
| 03:31.26 | Legorol | right |
| 03:31.26 | kd3 | adys; did it today |
| 03:31.27 | Adys | Im trying to figure out where to slow fall from |
| 03:31.29 | kd3 | water walking pot |
| 03:31.29 | Amarande | I have cudgel of kardesh from pre-patch but I don't have Magtheridon yet because I'm still on the heroics |
| 03:31.36 | Adys | but never really done it before |
| 03:31.43 | Legorol | Amarande: and other way around too i guess? |
| 03:31.44 | kd3 | just slow fall after you get off the second elevator |
| 03:31.56 | kd3 | into the water. the aggro radius of the first pack isn't that huge |
| 03:31.56 | Adys | Im there |
| 03:31.59 | Legorol | so if you have already done trial of maggy, you are screwed too unless you had the cudgel quest |
| 03:32.12 | Amarande | Legorol: Yeah. You need to complete both final quests under their old quest ID |
| 03:32.25 | Legorol | gotcha |
| 03:32.31 | Adys | kd3: for what i understand, if I got slowfall I dont need WW pot |
| 03:32.32 | Lunessa | Legorol: No, I'm half-way through that. Still need to kill Gruul. (I know, I'm LAME.) |
| 03:32.37 | Legorol | thanks for clarifying that, it will make some of my friens very unhappy but at least know what happens |
| 03:32.40 | Adys | s/and/ood/ |
| 03:32.42 | Amarande | I could never secure the necessary heroic groups |
| 03:32.50 | Legorol | Lunessa: as long as you already have the quest for Gruul, you should be fine |
| 03:33.04 | Lunessa | Good thing I didn't delete them from my log then. |
| 03:33.13 | Legorol | have you done Maggy? |
| 03:33.17 | kd3 | you still gotta WW. it's a long trip to his area |
| 03:33.20 | Legorol | or have the Trial of Naaru: Magtheridon quest in your log? |
| 03:33.49 | Lunessa | Legorol: No. I have the quest in my log and I have 1/2 the items for the kudgel. |
| 03:34.08 | kd3 | then you're good. finish those quests and you'll get the title |
| 03:34.09 | Lunessa | I have the quest in my log. |
| 03:34.33 | Legorol | cool |
| 03:34.39 | Amarande | I had a VERY, VERY good shot at Naaru |
| 03:34.44 | Amarande | and then our guild had to go and collapse |
| 03:34.53 | Lunessa | Now the trick is getting someone to actually let me go along on a Maggy raid and a Gruul's raid. |
| 03:35.17 | Amarande | at one point, I was actually considering just paying a top T6 guild on the server to run me through everything |
| 03:35.22 | Amarande | but I could never figure out how much G that would cost |
| 03:35.29 | Lunessa | And on that note, I can finally go home. |
| 03:35.35 | Legorol | Amarande: are you sure you'd be happy with that though in the end? |
| 03:35.39 | Amarande | but heck ... Quel'dorei is EXTREMELY horde |
| 03:35.44 | Adys | kd3: once Im there, what do I do? Just fish? |
| 03:35.48 | Amarande | there are 3 top horde guilds vs. only 1 alliance that I'm aware of |
| 03:35.48 | Legorol | It's just a title, there'll be loads more, and I think part of its value comes from knowing that *you* have done it |
| 03:35.56 | kd3 | just fish |
| 03:36.02 | kd3 | probably will want to take your gear off |
| 03:36.04 | Amarande | well, at that point |
| 03:36.04 | Lunessa | I'll see you folks tomorrow. Oh, and I'll be offline Thurs - Mon: Moving days! |
| 03:36.13 | Amarande | I was thinking, that anything that comes out in WOTLK |
| 03:36.21 | Amarande | would be anything that any old trade chat scrub will have eventually |
| 03:36.30 | Amarande | and so I wanted to go for a BC title |
| 03:36.38 | Legorol | that's a fair point |
| 03:37.01 | Adys | wtb serverfirst titles hehe |
| 03:37.04 | Amarande | I need something that will distinguish me and label me as a more valuable person than fracking Nixxe in the eyes of the server. :P |
| 03:37.23 | Adys | justicar |
| 03:37.28 | Amarande | and yet, hell, that guy, one of QD's most notorious trade chat trolls |
| 03:37.38 | Amarande | he got accepted into one of the top guilds on horde on the server |
| 03:37.41 | Amarande | I don't know how he did it |
| 03:37.53 | Amarande | hell, half of the members of the guild he got accepted to aren't sure how he did it either |
| 03:38.01 | Legorol | being a troll doesn't necessarily mean you are crap at the game i guess |
| 03:38.21 | Legorol | top guilds in fact tend to like people with attitude, as it can strongly correlate with confidence and therefore skill |
| 03:38.24 | Amarande | being a troll seems to me to mean that people wouldn't want you as a friend, though :) |
| 03:38.34 | Adys | idd Legorol |
| 03:38.35 | Amarande | isn't a guild, ultimately, a group of friends? |
| 03:38.42 | Adys | totally not |
| 03:38.44 | Legorol | being in a top guild means you are not after friends |
| 03:38.47 | Adys | not a raiding guild |
| 03:38.51 | Legorol | not a top guild, no |
| 03:38.52 | Amarande | or is this the wrong way to think of a raid guild, and probably the reason raid guilds I've been in haven't made it past kara :P |
| 03:38.55 | Legorol | it's a professional entity |
| 03:38.57 | Adys | top raiding guilds yeah |
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| 03:39.04 | Legorol | Amarande: probably, yes |
| 03:39.24 | Adys | well you CAN have a non hardcore raiding guild that goes past bt prenerf |
| 03:39.30 | Legorol | if you want to progress in raiding, there comes a really painful point where you have to choose between friendship and performance |
| 03:39.46 | Legorol | Adys: the point i'm about to expound on still makes that hard |
| 03:39.54 | Adys | Im on one \o/ |
| 03:39.54 | Legorol | I have gone through this myself and it's really painful: |
| 03:40.02 | Adys | but yeah I agree |
| 03:40.06 | Amarande | in other words, to found a guild that is not designed with a corporate type mentality is to found a fail guild? |
| 03:40.12 | Legorol | you know a bunch of folks, they are nice, you play a lot with them, make friends etc. |
| 03:40.19 | Amarande | then explain how Amazon Basin manages to succeed in every game they play :) |
| 03:40.24 | Adys | my first guild had as goal to be both a hardcore raiding guild and a group of friends |
| 03:40.27 | Legorol | you start raiding, and as the content gets harder and more skill based, you find out that some of them just don't cut it |
| 03:40.38 | Legorol | at that point, you have two choices: leave them out or struggle on |
| 03:40.40 | Adys | a year later they split in two teams, a non hardcore one and a hardcore one |
| 03:40.40 | Amarande | Adys: fail guild was fail? |
| 03:40.42 | Legorol | lose lose |
| 03:40.44 | Adys | 2 months later they disbanded |
| 03:41.05 | Legorol | Adys: unfortunately that's a typical pattern |
| 03:41.13 | Amarande | I could probably found a really good raid group if I could get people to be willing to mostly only play Tuesday and Wednesday nights |
| 03:41.16 | Adys | Well I cant say |
| 03:41.29 | Adys | Ive been the first asshole there who left them for the top server's guild :P |
| 03:41.30 | Legorol | Amarande: to answre your question about corporate type, in some sense, yes |
| 03:41.46 | Amarande | the problem is how to retain people without them deciding 'we want to raid with five-night guilds that will be ready to raid Icecrown the moment it's patched in' |
| 03:41.51 | Adys | though my current guild is 11 years old, gone to felmyst pre 3.0 and doesnt enfore anything hardcore inside the guild |
| 03:41.52 | Legorol | I feel that to have a guild that's successful in raiding, you need members that are motivated to progress, and you have to have an internal system of success-reward |
| 03:42.04 | Adys | and I can really say it's really impressive |
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| 03:42.18 | Amarande | is there a good way to retain members in a two-night guild? |
| 03:42.19 | Legorol | You have to have an internal system that doesn't let people break rules for example, if you start allowing that people start slacking |
| 03:42.25 | Adys | YES |
| 03:42.27 | Adys | 12/20 masks |
| 03:42.41 | Legorol | Adys: your kind of guild is very, very rare though |
| 03:42.43 | Adys | hadnt seen one in 56 treats |
| 03:42.49 | Adys | Aye Leg |
| 03:42.57 | Legorol | and it tends to happen when you have a group of players that are self-motivated, skilled computer game enthusiasts |
| 03:43.05 | Legorol | if it was formed pre-WoW, there's a higher chance for that |
| 03:43.17 | Amarande | Anyway, I'm looking at say Amazon Basin (which I actually belong to in their Alliance chapter) |
| 03:43.21 | Amarande | and I'm trying to figure out how they did it |
| 03:43.51 | Adys | Legorol: Indeed, usually guilds that arent formed in wow tend to see past the whole WoW system |
| 03:43.56 | Amarande | they are a community of friends first and foremost, yet both their Horde and Alliance chapters still managed to reach T6 content (horde chapter took down Illidan, think the Alliance one's on Hyjal) |
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| 03:44.14 | Amarande | although yes, the Basin community goes all the way back to Diablo II pre-expansion |
| 03:44.32 | Legorol | It really comes down to what i like to call the Primary WoW Player types |
| 03:44.50 | Legorol | i like to split wow players into two categories, and no, it's not the traditional casual/hardcore one |
| 03:45.13 | Legorol | It's about attitude to the game and skill, not about playtime or effort |
| 03:45.15 | Adys | lootwhores, and epeen whores? |
| 03:45.19 | Legorol | lol |
| 03:45.21 | Adys | ah, those. |
| 03:45.42 | Amarande | I've never quite understood people's desire to join five-night guilds, though |
| 03:45.48 | Legorol | I like to split the players into competitive types and relaxing types |
| 03:46.03 | Adys | you dont have to understand it |
| 03:46.10 | Amarande | 1) do that many raiders have that little in the way of a life? (or is there something about progression that forces you to be willing to sacrifice your outside life, or you will never get past naxx?) |
| 03:46.12 | Legorol | The competitive types are those that want to improve themselves, bring the best out of themselves, and find a tough fight a challenge to beat |
| 03:46.21 | Adys | Ive been a year in a 6-night guild, and was pugging bwl/naxx the 7th day |
| 03:46.31 | Legorol | Amarande: progression and number of nights spent is quite independent actually |
| 03:46.34 | Amarande | 2) more significantly, even if you have that little of a life, what about doing, well, stuff other than raiding every night? :| |
| 03:47.02 | Legorol | There are loads of people that play 6, 7 nights a week, and never or hardly ever raid |
| 03:47.10 | Legorol | It's about what you get out of raids |
| 03:47.19 | Legorol | Anyway, coming back to a succesful guild: |
| 03:47.25 | Adys | and reversely there are loads of people raiding 6-7 nights a week and that have a job and kids |
| 03:47.38 | Legorol | it works when you have people who want to be good at the game, are genuine computer game enthusiasts, and want to do the best they can |
| 03:47.52 | Legorol | now that's a kind of mentality that you can find friends around and build a community as well |
| 03:48.02 | Legorol | so it's not impossible to have a group of friends forma successful guild |
| 03:48.07 | Amarande | Adys: I'm going to assume that raiding with a job and a life is basically ONLY possible with a 9-5 M-F office job, though |
| 03:48.26 | Adys | if you play 5 hours, 6 days a week that comes down to playing barely 50/168 hours a week, not even a third |
| 03:48.30 | Amarande | at least, at that hardcore level |
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| 03:48.46 | Amarande | Adys: five times six is 30, not 50 :| |
| 03:49.08 | Adys | typo btw |
| 03:49.13 | Legorol | Coming back to the issue: |
| 03:49.24 | Legorol | I am currently (and have been for the past 6 months) in a very lucky guild alliance |
| 03:49.38 | Legorol | It basically took two guilds and find the people in both with the right raiding mentality |
| 03:49.43 | Legorol | We have 2 organised raids a week |
| 03:49.55 | Amarande | you know, I've always wondered why guild alliances don't just end up merging |
| 03:49.57 | Adys | Amarande: anyway you totally overestimate hardcore raiding guilds. a lot of them got people who shift rotations and so on |
| 03:50.21 | Legorol | With only 2 raids a week, we have started off at the beginning of SSC, and have done SSC (including Vashj), TK, MH 4/5, BT 3/9 |
| 03:51.02 | Legorol | It's interesting why we are not merging |
| 03:51.14 | Legorol | and i thinkt he answer lies in the fundamental problem of raiding i mentioned earlier: |
| 03:51.21 | Amarande | In my guild's case, we had an -extremely- unlucky split |
| 03:51.36 | Legorol | if you try to raid with friends, it unfortunately ends in you realising that some might not be cut out for the raiding part |
| 03:51.47 | Adys | honestly raiding since bc is no hard task. as long as you got people who dont STAND INTO SHINY THINGS and do stuff like that you can completely annihilate the entire game's content |
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| 03:52.05 | Legorol | So the way I see what's happening to us is that each guild is its own *social* network (and that's where people have their friends), whilst the joint raids are the *professional* environment |
| 03:52.16 | Amarande | It was only natural that when our former MT founded a new guild (had to do with her marriage, basically), some of our guild would leave to help her found it |
| 03:52.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Raiding in WoW in four words: "Don't stand in fire." |
| 03:52.30 | Adys | matter is getting 25 of them. before bc it was getting 40 of them AND getting them to remember fuckloads of different strats AND putting a huge pressure onto them |
| 03:52.31 | Amarande | however, we were totally blindsided by the class split that occurred |
| 03:52.42 | Adys | because seriously |
| 03:52.47 | Amarande | Adys: and in wotlk it's going to be all the different strats again right? |
| 03:52.55 | Legorol | Adys: i think you are underestimating the task for a lot of raiders |
| 03:52.56 | Adys | tell me a single fight apart from muru, since bc, that puts pressure onto the players? |
| 03:53.07 | Amarande | seeing as naxx is pretty much the same as pre-BC's top end content, except retooled for different numbers of players and at 80 |
| 03:53.15 | Legorol | I'd say that our raiders are not that skilled or successful, so I can see loads more problems than just "don't stand in fire" |
| 03:53.19 | Amarande | Adys: netherspite? |
| 03:53.25 | Adys | wtf? |
| 03:53.26 | NightHawkTheSane | netherspite's a joke |
| 03:53.30 | Legorol | It's not always possible for *good* WoW players who find the game easy to appreciate that it can be hard for others |
| 03:53.41 | Amarande | I've had raids that just plowed through the rest of kara up to that and then got stuck on netherspite |
| 03:53.43 | Adys | i dont think we got the same definition of pressure amarande |
| 03:53.54 | Legorol | I agree with Amarande, depending on the people involved, Netherspite can be very difficult |
| 03:54.14 | Adys | the only fight i could think of would be archy, but he doesnt actually put pressure on many classes |
| 03:54.21 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, unless you're raid composition is poor (and it has to be -very- poor), netherspite is not hard. |
| 03:54.24 | Amarande | The problem with Netherspite is that if you have just one or two people who blink for one or two seconds, you're 1) screwed, and 2) your raid is likely to erupt into infighting |
| 03:54.29 | Legorol | Adys: let's start with some basic examples. |
| 03:54.37 | Legorol | Hydross: don't pull aggro on switch. |
| 03:54.39 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember one of my previous raids' netherspite attempts |
| 03:54.40 | Legorol | Lurker: avoid Spout |
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| 03:54.47 | Legorol | Leo: run away from whirlwind |
| 03:54.57 | Legorol | These are but some of the tasks that a lot of people find difficult |
| 03:55.00 | Amarande | one of them ended with me desperately trying to drag myself to the green beam because the person who was supposed to missed it |
| 03:55.06 | Adys | run away from whirlwind is no hard task for someone who is able not to stand into a fire |
| 03:55.09 | Tekkub | AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaa........ |
| 03:55.17 | Adys | its like DONT STAND INTO THE BLINGBLANKKLING |
| 03:55.17 | Amarande | of course this didn't work, since I was on blue beam duty and thus not nearly close enough |
| 03:55.29 | Tekkub | fucking rhymey bitch |
| 03:55.39 | Adys | What I mean by putting pressure onto the player is |
| 03:55.40 | Amarande | I figured if there was someone to try to rush for the green with any hope of saving the situation it was me, though |
| 03:55.46 | Amarande | given the insane mana resources warlocks have access to |
| 03:55.46 | Legorol | Adys: again, you are not appreciating that these things *can* be a big challenge to many WoW players |
| 03:55.58 | Legorol | That's why i said that you can split people into gamers and relaxers |
| 03:56.06 | Adys | "If you fuck up a single one of your task and that the rest of the raid is doing well, Im going to go so fucking nuts on you you're going to remember it a year from now" |
| 03:56.07 | Legorol | The gamers will focus, multitask, and easily tackle these obstacles |
| 03:56.08 | Adys | THATS pressure |
| 03:56.14 | Legorol | The relaxers will find it hard to do these things |
| 03:56.17 | Adys | and yeah leg I know |
| 03:56.31 | Amarande | Actually, I think what happened there was the guy whose turn it was to go into green had DIED |
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| 03:56.52 | Adys | but getting 25 people who know how to play their class and got relatively good reaction time, you got 99% of the content done |
| 03:56.58 | Adys | and its NOT a hard task |
| 03:57.14 | Legorol | Adys: those two points you just defined there define the "gamer" term |
| 03:57.14 | Amarande | and yes, twitch is definitely something I've had to learn very well since I started WoW |
| 03:57.16 | Adys | it's just person x wants to bring a friend, and friend doesnt know how to play his class as well as others |
| 03:57.18 | Amarande | I used to be terrible at twitch games |
| 03:57.24 | Amarande | I'm still probably a total scrub at Devil May Cry and the like |
| 03:57.38 | Legorol | Adys: it's not just about whether you can play your class |
| 03:57.52 | Legorol | Do you have the attitude, the reflexes, the understanding, the multitasking skill, the attention span, the nerves |
| 03:57.53 | Adys | yeah its playing your own class AND having a decent reaction time |
| 03:57.54 | Amarande | well granted, also, my first encounter with netherspite was also like a trial by fire |
| 03:57.55 | Legorol | all those factors matter |
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| 03:58.05 | Amarande | we're talking, let's see, what was my instance experience on my warlock at the time |
| 03:58.07 | Adys | Not really since bc |
| 03:58.14 | Adys | true before bc, but honestly |
| 03:58.15 | Legorol | Obviously there's a big scale here |
| 03:58.16 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, you don't need to have amazing reflexes. |
| 03:58.20 | Amarande | I'd done Mana Tombs once, I'd done Scholo and DM for my mount, I'd done the TK instances and SV. |
| 03:58.24 | Amarande | This was my first raid on my lock. |
| 03:58.28 | Amarande | And ... 'hey, we're doing netherspite' |
| 03:58.28 | NightHawkTheSane | you just need to be paying attention is all |
| 03:58.29 | Adys | multitasking since bc? attitude since bc? attention span since bc? |
| 03:58.31 | Legorol | Adys: i think you are overestimating the vast majority of WoW players |
| 03:58.33 | Adys | there are LONG fights in the game? |
| 03:58.40 | Adys | Legorol: because Im not speaking for everyone |
| 03:58.51 | Legorol | and I'm considering the whole WoW player base |
| 03:59.03 | Adys | Im on purpose putting aside anyone who doesnt react fast enough to get out of a fire before the first tick |
| 03:59.05 | Legorol | because there are people who don't make these thresholds that play WoW, and eventually want to see raid content |
| 03:59.07 | Adys | get 25 of those |
| 03:59.10 | Adys | and you won. |
| 03:59.26 | Legorol | and that's where we have the primary problem of the two types i mentioned: |
| 03:59.30 | Adys | And I really mean it there, no overestimation |
| 03:59.33 | Amarande | Adys: actually, in some raid battles, you have to blame PC hardware |
| 03:59.37 | Legorol | what if some of those who don't react are the friends you are in a guild with? |
| 03:59.45 | Adys | yea Amarande sort of |
| 03:59.53 | Amarande | I've heard that people whose computers can't handle at least a certain graphics level, barely see some of the fires at all |
| 03:59.53 | Legorol | Adys: sure, but that requirement would eliminate a lot of people |
| 03:59.56 | Amarande | trying to remember which boss it was |
| 03:59.59 | Adys | Legorol: exactly my point |
| 04:00.05 | Amarande | the fires would appear as like tiny little specks if you weren't on top graphics |
| 04:00.08 | Legorol | but those people would still want to raid.. |
| 04:00.17 | Adys | hence why I did pugs pre bc |
| 04:00.18 | Legorol | and it's not true that they have no right to |
| 04:00.26 | Amarande | in other words, we can blame a lot of standing in fire |
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| 04:00.31 | Amarande | on cheap ass PC manufacturers |
| 04:00.40 | Legorol | Amarande: that's not generally a problem in my experience |
| 04:00.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: that's not true. |
| 04:00.55 | Amarande | well, it's still true that PC manufacturers are irritatingly cheap ass at times |
| 04:00.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: a) the hardware is -not- the problem. it's doing -precisely- what it's told to do |
| 04:00.58 | Adys | 12/15 bosses down in naxx pre bc in a pug, in a single raid lockout |
| 04:01.07 | Legorol | Adys: the whole point I'm trying to make is that you put a criteria, which a *lot* of people won't cut it |
| 04:01.15 | Adys | and thats all down to picking people whom you know can play out of a bunch of others |
| 04:01.20 | Legorol | and if those are yoru friends that you are trying to raid with, you eventually meet the dilemma: |
| 04:01.23 | Adys | i know that perfectly well Legorol |
| 04:01.24 | Amarande | e.g. - PC will have 2-3 gigs of RAM, dual core processor, hundreds of gigs of HD, all that kind of jazz that is more than enough for any game these days |
| 04:01.26 | Legorol | do i raid with my friends, or do i find people who can do it |
| 04:01.26 | NightHawkTheSane | b) i've raided with graphics settings at the minimum. yes it's harder to see some visual effects, but not impossible, i did fine. |
| 04:01.27 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, then WoW's low-detail video mode is the problem :D |
| 04:01.30 | Amarande | and they will put in a $30 video card that sucks |
| 04:01.36 | Adys | seriously Amarande thats bs :p |
| 04:01.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: oh, arguably so. But that's not a hardware issue |
| 04:01.44 | ZorbaTHut | okay, fair 'nuff then :) |
| 04:01.48 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 04:02.11 | Amarande | yeah, I find it very difficult to leave friends behind :S |
| 04:02.26 | Adys | the only true part there is |
| 04:02.30 | ZorbaTHut | as a side note, if anyone here hasn't ramped the draw distance way up in Wrath, you gotta try it once even if your hardware can't handle it on a regular basis |
| 04:02.38 | ZorbaTHut | being able to see clear across a zone is absolutely breathtaking |
| 04:02.47 | NightHawkTheSane | it is :) |
| 04:03.00 | Adys | some people who can play will be left out because of their computer thats true |
| 04:03.04 | Legorol | Mostly for Adys but to answer Amarande's question as well, the reason we have this raid alliance going is because we left friends behind, they are each still sitting in the respective guilds, whereas we found the people who meet the performance criteria in the setting of the allied raids |
| 04:03.11 | ZorbaTHut | you can hover about Honor Hold and see both Thrallmar and the southern mountains completely clearly. totally beautiful. |
| 04:03.17 | ZorbaTHut | if only you could see entities at that distance ;) |
| 04:03.26 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:03.29 | Amarande | I should check my video settings |
| 04:03.37 | Tekkub | I'll give that a try after I upgrade my hardware :P |
| 04:03.37 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure on a Radeon 3870 I can handle highest everything |
| 04:03.39 | Adys | Legorol: the only problem with that is usually raid lockouts |
| 04:03.54 | Amarande | Adys: instance theft, too |
| 04:03.55 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, even if you only get like 1 frame per second, just give it a try to see how awesome it looks :) |
| 04:03.56 | Adys | When I did naxx pugs pre bc i had to make sure my guild wasnt doing naxx |
| 04:04.14 | Legorol | Adys: why is riad lockout a problem? |
| 04:04.14 | Amarande | the worst problem with instance theft is it can be entirely unintentional as well |
| 04:04.17 | Tekkub | oh I plan a hardware upgrade very soon |
| 04:04.24 | Adys | and that was hard since we were doing naxx at the time and aq was cleared |
| 04:04.26 | Tekkub | soon as I can afford to add a PSU to the order |
| 04:04.29 | Amarande | player gets called to PuG in with a guild raid |
| 04:04.39 | Amarande | guild raid kills a boss. PuG player gets saved |
| 04:04.50 | Adys | Legorol: guild expects clean lockout for a full clear |
| 04:04.52 | Amarande | next day, PuG player forgets they're saved and starts another PuG of which they are raid leader |
| 04:05.01 | Tekkub | think a GeForce 9400 GT 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 would be capable? |
| 04:05.04 | Legorol | Adys: sure, but i don't see why that's a problem for a raid alliance |
| 04:05.06 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, the calendar helps a little with that |
| 04:05.07 | Legorol | or have i missed something |
| 04:05.13 | Amarande | guild raid finds their raid is missing several bosses ... |
| 04:05.14 | ZorbaTHut | but I agree that the lockout mechanics should be much, much clearer |
| 04:05.20 | Adys | Legorol: i cant really say I havent done alliances |
| 04:05.29 | Adys | I know lockouts were a pita when i was doing organized pugs |
| 04:05.30 | Legorol | uhm.. how did lockouts come up at all? |
| 04:05.34 | ZorbaTHut | you should get a warning before saving yourself to a new already-saved instance |
| 04:05.38 | Legorol | we aren't talking about pugging |
| 04:05.44 | Legorol | we were discussing organised raiding |
| 04:05.51 | Adys | Organized pugs are just that |
| 04:06.03 | Adys | was putting up a post on forums |
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| 04:06.11 | ZorbaTHut | like, you try to walk in the gate, it says "If you walk in, you will be saved to an instance with the following bosses already dead: Deathflayer the Soulscreamer, Kitten Prime, A Swarm Of Bees" |
| 04:06.18 | Adys | and picking most often people from top raiding guilds and so on |
| 04:06.19 | ZorbaTHut | with "okay" and "no" buttons |
| 04:06.27 | Amarande | kitten prime |
| 04:06.30 | Amarande | we must have a boss named kitten prime |
| 04:06.31 | Amarande | :) |
| 04:06.32 | Adys | with a very small part who hasnt actually seen the instance |
| 04:06.38 | ZorbaTHut | he is the leader of the kittens |
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| 04:06.41 | Amarande | maybe in icecrown! :) |
| 04:06.44 | ZorbaTHut | in stage 4 he summons a thousand kitten minions |
| 04:06.51 | Adys | point was mostly making a raid where people can raid with others and make friends they wouldnt otherwise know |
| 04:06.54 | Amarande | "hey, we've defeated Arthas, is that it for the instance?" |
| 04:06.58 | Legorol | Amarande: i hope i answered your question about whey these two guilds don't merge |
| 04:06.59 | Adys | instead of the usual guild run |
| 04:07.00 | ZorbaTHut | they will quickly overwhelm even the best groups if the stage is not finished shortly. |
| 04:07.06 | Amarande | "nope. there's one more boss. you see that cute little furry kitten over there? ..." |
| 04:07.22 | Amarande | "well, the poor little thing got infected by the scourge, it really took hold on such innocence ..." |
| 04:07.57 | ZorbaTHut | that really would be quite awesome |
| 04:07.59 | Amarande | hmm, I suppose another thing that comes to mind is |
| 04:08.07 | Amarande | how do you tell whether your server has any room for a new raiding group |
| 04:08.19 | Amarande | or whether it's time to reroll/transfer? |
| 04:08.27 | Amarande | for instance: http://www.wowjutsu.com/us/queldorei/index_horde.html |
| 04:08.37 | ZorbaTHut | it's simple |
| 04:08.41 | Amarande | would you say that's indication of a server that's still got lots of room for new groups to grow, or is that more or less 'fully ossified'? |
| 04:08.43 | Adys | look at the forums instead |
| 04:08.46 | Amarande | keeping in mind ... QD is medium pop |
| 04:08.47 | Adys | http://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?sid=1&forumId=1145 |
| 04:08.53 | ZorbaTHut | if you're charismatic and skilled, and you can lead a group without it devolving into drama, your server has room for a new raiding group |
| 04:08.55 | ZorbaTHut | if you can't, it doesn't |
| 04:09.13 | Adys | bwl, hyjal, aq, kt/vashj, hyjal, ssc/tk again, aq again etc pugs all over the first page |
| 04:09.17 | Adys | = room for a new guild |
| 04:09.19 | ZorbaTHut | I'm pretty sure that every server out there has at least 25 people who are dissatisfied with their current drama-whore guilds :P |
| 04:09.37 | Adys | lol zorb |
| 04:09.45 | Adys | well its not only that |
| 04:09.50 | Amarande | heh, I spy ret QQ |
| 04:09.58 | ZorbaTHut | oh wow |
| 04:10.01 | ZorbaTHut | my server got to sunwell |
| 04:10.04 | ZorbaTHut | I am honestly surprised |
| 04:10.06 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:10.15 | Amarande | apparently on QD, the two top guilds on horde still haven't downed felmyst |
| 04:10.19 | Amarande | maybe my server does suck |
| 04:10.21 | Adys | its getting around 30 people together who can bear eachother, so that means maybe have heard of eachother |
| 04:10.22 | Adys | so on |
| 04:10.29 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowjutsu.com/us/shatteredhalls/ BAM look at that! (note: I'm alliance) |
| 04:10.29 | Proditor | <happy> got externals to work :D svn is really something special..! |
| 04:10.30 | Amarande | how do you tell whether your server just plain sucks? :) |
| 04:10.30 | Adys | Amarande: yeah |
| 04:10.43 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, mine is worse |
| 04:11.01 | Amarande | problem is at this point if I don't want to do a total reroll it's going to be 100$ to transfer fully off the server |
| 04:11.03 | Adys | at this point if your server hasnt at least got 4 bosses down in swp id say you should transfer if you're unhappy with it |
| 04:11.21 | Adys | well reroll then |
| 04:11.29 | ZorbaTHut | personally, I'm starting to connect up with people who are competent and seem to know what they're doing |
| 04:11.29 | Adys | or wait for a free migration |
| 04:11.48 | ZorbaTHut | I'm going to try setting up a raid guild in Wrath, see if I can pull it off |
| 04:12.03 | Adys | what Id suggest Zorb is |
| 04:12.25 | Adys | wait for wlk, see who reaches 80, get pugs going on before the majority has got to 80 |
| 04:12.31 | Adys | youll make a small community like that |
| 04:12.35 | Adys | get a guild going on out of it |
| 04:12.44 | ZorbaTHut | adys, yeah, that's sorta the plan |
| 04:12.51 | Amarande | why are so many good raiders such irritating people, btw? |
| 04:13.12 | Adys | because people who cant play irritate them |
| 04:13.13 | Adys | :P |
| 04:13.23 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, good raiding requires time or skill. people who have the second but not the first tend to not be online all that much. people who have the first but not the second tend to be irritating. |
| 04:13.44 | ZorbaTHut | therefore, most of the raiders you see tend to be irritating. :) |
| 04:13.54 | Amarande | although, I'm still trying to figure out how he even got to 70, let alone found time to raid |
| 04:13.59 | Amarande | given that he spends most of his time in trade chat :| |
| 04:14.13 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I started playing WoW about five months ago |
| 04:14.16 | Amarande | as far as I know, you still don't get exp for talking in tradechat :) |
| 04:14.20 | ZorbaTHut | at about the same time, a guy named Gnomekingz started playing. |
| 04:14.22 | Adys | yeah getting to level 70 is such a hard and epic task isnt it |
| 04:14.30 | Amarande | although I may have missed the patch notes in which that was changed |
| 04:14.31 | ZorbaTHut | Gnomekingz finally got to level 55 a week or two ago. |
| 04:14.37 | Legorol | Amarande: I find that good raiders are confident, extroverted, goal-oriented and opinionated. |
| 04:14.46 | ZorbaTHut | He's currently infamous on the server as being one of the worst players anyone has ever seen. |
| 04:14.51 | Legorol | All symptoms of underlying qualities which make you good |
| 04:14.59 | Adys | wow Legorol |
| 04:15.03 | Adys | which world do you live in |
| 04:15.34 | Amarande | I wonder if I was mostly doomed mainly by the timing of when I started really playing WoW a lot |
| 04:15.37 | Adys | the majority of good raiders are know are one of those: Selfish, pretencious, childish, egoistic, drama-whores |
| 04:15.41 | Legorol | Adys: i'm saying that good players often carry personalities/attitudes that (among other things) result in the symptoms described |
| 04:15.46 | Adys | and Im really talking about good raiders there |
| 04:15.56 | Amarande | I started the game last summer, and didn't really get into playing it really a lot till this past winter/spring |
| 04:15.57 | Legorol | lol Adys |
| 04:15.59 | Adys | Legorol: Some yeah |
| 04:16.04 | Adys | definitely not the majority :P |
| 04:16.09 | Legorol | i think we are saying the same thing |
| 04:16.18 | Amarande | maybe I started too late in BC, and should have been gunning for WotLK goals from the get-go rather than trying to do so much in BC? |
| 04:16.29 | Legorol | Amarande: that's wrong attitude |
| 04:16.41 | Legorol | no matter when you start, there's always a guild at your level with your attitudes |
| 04:16.43 | Legorol | just hard to find it |
| 04:17.09 | Adys | not hard to find |
| 04:17.11 | Amarande | also, was the combination of preferring horde and preferring pve servers a bad one? |
| 04:17.15 | Adys | just you need to know how to find it |
| 04:17.24 | Amarande | Either l2PvP or l2Alliance, don't try to do neither? |
| 04:17.33 | Adys | once you do its a matter of 2 hours to find a guild fitting you |
| 04:18.14 | Legorol | true Adys, i was thinking more along the lines of there might be only one or two guilds that suit the criteria |
| 04:18.38 | Amarande | yeah, in my case there's lots of guilds that suit my other criteria but it's torture finding one that accepts my availability |
| 04:18.40 | Adys | if you're good, you can even leave your guild with an awful drama which will make it disband 2 months later, and YET have 20 people from that guild backing you up on the public forums of your next guild, without asking any of them to do so \o/ |
| 04:18.54 | Amarande | most two-night guilds tend to be weekenders :| |
| 04:18.58 | Amarande | right? |
| 04:19.03 | Adys | totally not |
| 04:19.05 | Legorol | In terms of raiding groups, for me the hardest thing ever in WoW was when I finally caved in and acknowledged that one of my long-time in-game friends that I did a lot of leveling/fun/raiding with isn't actually good enough for our raiding group |
| 04:19.12 | Adys | why do you want a 2night guild anyway? |
| 04:19.17 | Legorol | That broke my heart, to see him not getting spots |
| 04:19.26 | Adys | cant you join a 4 night guild and join half of the raids? |
| 04:19.42 | Amarande | Adys: pretty much all the ones I've seen want 3/4 |
| 04:19.56 | Adys | you're looking at the wrong ones then |
| 04:20.02 | Amarande | Basically ... at my job, I work 12n-6pm Tuesday, 9am-4pm Wednesday |
| 04:20.09 | Amarande | and every other day? I don't know for sure till the Friday before |
| 04:20.17 | Adys | theres plenty of guilds, mostly new formups, who just want "some attendance" (sp) |
| 04:20.19 | Amarande | and any of those days could be a shift till 9:30, 10, or 11 |
| 04:20.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey look guys, someone being helpful! --> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11829575883&postId=120594110184&sid=1#7 |
| 04:20.57 | Legorol | Amarande, our raiding group has a solid 2-night come-every-time-unless-your-house-is-on-fire raiding schedule |
| 04:21.06 | Legorol | and it works quite nicely |
| 04:21.07 | Amarande | yeah, I haven't looked into the new formups much |
| 04:21.13 | Amarande | Legorol: which nights, though? |
| 04:21.18 | Legorol | Wed/Sun |
| 04:21.24 | Legorol | but i'm sure it could be any two nights |
| 04:21.29 | Legorol | well not for us |
| 04:21.29 | Amarande | Yeah, wouldn't work with me |
| 04:21.31 | Legorol | but in general |
| 04:21.37 | Amarande | Wed, virtually 99.99999999% guaranteed for me |
| 04:21.45 | Amarande | but Sun? that's one of the nights where I get socked with the 11pm shift the most |
| 04:21.46 | Legorol | Amarande: sorry i wasn't soliciting you |
| 04:21.54 | Legorol | just giving an exapmle of a 2-night raiding gorup |
| 04:21.59 | Amarande | similarly, the guild that our MT founded, is a 3-nighter |
| 04:22.13 | Amarande | Sun/Wed/Sat, and guess what the -other- night I get socked with 11pm shifts way too often is? :| |
| 04:22.40 | Amarande | if it wasn't for that little factor, I would have gone with her :) |
| 04:22.57 | Legorol | btw, if you are going to form a guild with only 2 nights of raiding, regular attendance will be very important |
| 04:23.16 | Legorol | make sure the people that join aren't going to often miss raids due to birthdays/parties/hangovers/dont-feel-like-raiding |
| 04:23.19 | Adys | regular attendance and replacements |
| 04:23.29 | Legorol | replacements are a tricky issue |
| 04:23.30 | Amarande | yeah, Tue/Wed could possibly be even more disruptive to people's lives than one thinks, too |
| 04:23.41 | Amarande | after all, most relationship advice tends to suggest that first dates should be on one of those nights |
| 04:23.46 | Adys | Legorol: replacements are there because youll end up kicking the guy who's being replaced too often |
| 04:23.50 | Adys | and trust me there will be one |
| 04:23.50 | Adys | :P |
| 04:23.50 | Amarande | meaning, you kinda tell people they may have a lot more trouble finding a gf :) |
| 04:23.54 | Legorol | also, there are loads of people out there who play several nights a week anyway, and don't care which 2 you raid |
| 04:23.58 | Legorol | you might want to target those as well |
| 04:24.06 | Adys | seriously Amarande |
| 04:24.09 | Legorol | Adys: sure |
| 04:24.11 | ZorbaTHut | that's one problem with any guild I set up |
| 04:24.19 | Amarande | zorba: no shows? |
| 04:24.21 | Adys | I dont know if you're just trolling, being extremely arrogant or clueless |
| 04:24.24 | ZorbaTHut | my schedule is unpredictable enough that I simply can't hold to a fixed schedule like that |
| 04:24.26 | Legorol | the problem with replacements is to make sure you have a decent way of allowing everyone to join in |
| 04:24.29 | ZorbaTHut | it's literally impossible |
| 04:24.38 | Legorol | if you have a few replacements as benchwarmers only, they will be dissatisfied and leave |
| 04:24.42 | Adys | but I really know dozens of people with gf/wife/kids/family/job/all-of-the-five |
| 04:24.46 | Adys | who raid every day |
| 04:25.13 | ZorbaTHut | what I'm kind of hoping to do is accumulate a group of competent players and get things from there. not sure it's possible, but I'll see. |
| 04:26.01 | Legorol | nice chat, catch you guys later |
| 04:26.12 | Adys | see ya Legorol |
| 04:27.17 | Amarande | hey, what are all these green-faced strange looking creatures on the fora that replaced the usual character graphics? |
| 04:27.32 | Amarande | it seems to be the same one for every class and race |
| 04:27.57 | Adys | they're ghouls... |
| 04:28.05 | ZorbaTHut | braaaaaaains |
| 04:28.53 | Amarande | oh, this quote is priceless |
| 04:28.53 | Amarande | "WHAT YOU GUYS DONT REALIZE IS HE GIVING YOU THE BEST TROLLING YOU HAVE EVER SEEN AND ALL YOU DO IS GIVE HIM CRAP ABOUT IT." -- Q'D realm forum |
| 04:32.34 | Proditor | When you commit to the svn server, should the external libs also get committed? They get added locally when I update, but do not get committed to the svn server.. |
| 04:35.01 | Cairenn | Proditor: there are 3 separate mod hosting sites in here - where are you talking about? |
| 04:35.42 | Proditor | oh, WoWInterface.com |
| 04:36.50 | Proditor | I'm new to SVN so it's probably me doing something wrong :-P |
| 04:36.52 | Shirik | wha? |
| 04:37.06 | Shirik | Proditor: No, they don't go on your server |
| 04:37.22 | Shirik | It is a property only. The SVN client knows how to pull it in |
| 04:38.50 | Proditor | So, when I decide to zip the addon wowinterface, it'll add the externals to the zip? |
| 04:41.36 | Amarande | Evening Cairenn :) |
| 04:41.51 | Proditor | oh and yes, if public view is turned off for the svn project, can I as the leader view it on the web somehow? I can't seem to find a link or similar |
| 04:41.52 | Cairenn | hi hi :) |
| 04:42.05 | Amarande | hmm, on an unrelated point, does anyone else get royally pissed off when Democrats talk about universal healthcare and the slack jawed public thinks it's a great thing? |
| 04:42.14 | Cidan | Hm |
| 04:42.17 | Cidan | Is the patch tomorrow? |
| 04:42.25 | Cidan | also |
| 04:42.27 | Cidan | Amarande |
| 04:42.32 | Cidan | Please keep politics the hell out of here. |
| 04:42.36 | Cidan | Thanks. |
| 04:42.54 | Cidan | Anyway, patch tomorrow? Yes? |
| 04:43.07 | Amarande | that's what we've heard |
| 04:43.22 | Adys | patch needs to happen tomorrow |
| 04:43.24 | Shirik | I thought they only patched on Tuesdays? |
| 04:43.30 | Adys | well today |
| 04:43.32 | Cidan | Tomorrow is Tuesday? |
| 04:43.35 | Cidan | oh bugger |
| 04:43.36 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:43.37 | Shirik | it is |
| 04:43.38 | Cidan | today |
| 04:43.39 | Shirik | wow |
| 04:43.39 | Cidan | etc |
| 04:43.40 | Cidan | lol |
| 04:43.42 | Shirik | I thought it was like friday... |
| 04:43.46 | Cidan | Wow |
| 04:43.46 | End | ~failrik |
| 04:43.47 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 04:43.47 | Adys | 3.0.3 needs to be released during hallows end |
| 04:44.10 | Shirik | Proditor: Yes, and yes |
| 04:44.26 | Shirik | Cidan: I voted yesterday! Yey! |
| 04:44.47 | Shirik | or two days ago |
| 04:44.48 | Shirik | or something |
| 04:44.51 | Shirik | Sometime recent! |
| 04:45.14 | Cidan | Shirik: I'm going on the 4th. |
| 04:45.29 | NightHawkTheSane | framexml.toc is preetty big >.> |
| 04:45.51 | Cairenn | I voted on the 14th! |
| 04:46.08 | Cidan | Cairenn: How did that work out up there anyway? |
| 04:46.17 | Cairenn | *snarls* |
| 04:46.21 | Cidan | Hoookay. |
| 04:46.25 | Cidan | Well, moving on then. |
| 04:46.28 | Cidan | I like bunnies. |
| 04:46.29 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:46.32 | Shirik | poor Cairenn |
| 04:46.53 | Adys | ello Cairenn |
| 04:47.32 | Adys | Anyone run onto a bug that doesnt correctly tag some players as arena battle in the STV arena? |
| 04:48.05 | Amarande | not that I know of |
| 04:48.10 | Amarande | of course, if I did, I would have still died too quickly to realize it |
| 04:48.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 04:48.15 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 04:48.33 | Adys | if you did you wouldnt have died at all |
| 04:48.39 | Adys | because neither of you can attack the other |
| 04:51.33 | Adys | oh also |
| 04:51.49 | Adys | what are the prereqs to getting the Scale of the Sands ring? apart from rep that is |
| 04:52.26 | kd3 | getting the vashj/kael vials |
| 04:52.31 | Adys | gah. |
| 04:52.51 | Adys | Im exalted and still no ring :/ |
| 04:53.49 | NightHawkTheSane | ring? |
| 04:53.56 | NightHawkTheSane | oh |
| 04:53.59 | NightHawkTheSane | you need to do the quest |
| 04:54.02 | NightHawkTheSane | the attunement quest |
| 04:54.03 | Adys | http://thottbot.com/i29305 |
| 04:55.06 | NightHawkTheSane | you need to do the Hyjal attunement quest, "Vials of Eternity" i believe, to get the ring |
| 04:55.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 04:55.35 | kd3 | [00:52:25] <kd3> getting the vashj/kael vials |
| 04:55.42 | kd3 | zzz |
| 04:55.45 | NightHawkTheSane | oh |
| 04:56.23 | Corrodias | what is a "hidden object game"? |
| 04:56.36 | ScytheBlade1 | An object that is hidden within the game |
| 04:57.02 | Adys | A game consisting of finding hidden objects? |
| 04:57.53 | Corrodias | well, don't ask me :| |
| 04:58.21 | Shirik | Okay guys, does anyone have any recommendation on how I can uniquely identify an IRC client? (Ignore the possibility for security flaws, this is assumed trusted) |
| 04:58.36 | Shirik | Take the example: I have a desktop and a laptop. How do I distinguish between the two from an IRC server? |
| 04:58.48 | Corrodias | i'm not aware of a way |
| 04:58.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Code up a custom CTCP response to a custom CTCP query |
| 04:59.00 | NightHawkTheSane | use a different username? |
| 04:59.15 | Corrodias | you can create ways to distinguish them, yes |
| 04:59.19 | Shirik | I'd prefer not to have to modify the client but that's always an option |
| 04:59.28 | Corrodias | but assuming the person makes no particular effort to make them distinguishable, it's not possible as far as i know |
| 04:59.30 | ScytheBlade1 | You're a mIRC whore |
| 04:59.33 | ScytheBlade1 | The scripts make that easy |
| 04:59.35 | Corrodias | in mIRC it's easy to script a CTCP reply |
| 04:59.38 | Shirik | I know that's easy |
| 04:59.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 04:59.43 | Shirik | I'm just saying I'd prefer to have to do nothing |
| 04:59.54 | Shirik | Take the example of someone whom is not me :) |
| 04:59.54 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, give them different idents |
| 05:00.00 | Shirik | I was considering that |
| 05:00.17 | Corrodias | but then you'd be Doing Something |
| 05:00.42 | Corrodias | wait until ipv6 has saturated the internet and you can tell them apart by address, probably |
| 05:00.43 | Shirik | ^ |
| 05:00.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably? ha |
| 05:00.54 | Shirik | not true, Corrodias |
| 05:00.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Most definitely |
| 05:01.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Well failing spoofing :P |
| 05:01.04 | Corrodias | i sense disagreement |
| 05:01.04 | Shirik | Problem: My laptop will connect from different IPs |
| 05:01.18 | Corrodias | any reason NAT can't be implemented in ipv6, scythe? |
| 05:01.18 | Shirik | depending on where I am |
| 05:01.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: mobile IPv6! |
| 05:01.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: it's already in IPv6 |
| 05:01.31 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:01.39 | ScytheBlade1 | !g mobile ipv6 |
| 05:01.39 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Mobile IPv6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_IPv6> |
| 05:01.41 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, I still say you should just give 'em different idents :P |
| 05:02.09 | Corrodias | i don't understand what you mean by saying it's already in it |
| 05:02.20 | ScytheBlade1 | "Mobile IPv6 allows an IPv6 node to be mobile?to arbitrarily change its location on an IPv6 network?and still maintain existing connections." |
| 05:02.23 | ScytheBlade1 | In short |
| 05:02.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: NAT is already supported by IPv6 |
| 05:02.47 | Corrodias | ...hold on, isn't that 'mobile' thing a basic feature that should, like, always be on? |
| 05:02.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Functioning, working, RFCs have been written, software is there |
| 05:02.52 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I don't think that addresses the same problem? |
| 05:02.59 | ScytheBlade1 | And no, it takes quite a bit of work |
| 05:03.03 | Shirik | We would assume there is a disconnection in between |
| 05:03.10 | Corrodias | oh wait, maintain existing connections... interesting |
| 05:03.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: your laptop could ALWAYS have the exact same I{v6 address |
| 05:03.15 | ScytheBlade1 | *IPv6 |
| 05:03.16 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:03.16 | Corrodias | i misread, sorry |
| 05:03.21 | ScytheBlade1 | np |
| 05:03.22 | Shirik | that seems confusing |
| 05:03.31 | Shirik | I'll have to read that article |
| 05:03.38 | ScytheBlade1 | You could hop from wifi AP to wifi AP |
| 05:03.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep the same IP address |
| 05:03.46 | ScytheBlade1 | And keep connections concurrently |
| 05:03.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It's really neat stuff |
| 05:04.04 | Shirik | Uh |
| 05:04.06 | ScytheBlade1 | You could take your laptop to the other end of the world and still use the same address |
| 05:04.08 | Shirik | for the record, you can do that with IPv4 |
| 05:04.21 | Corrodias | but you don't maintain existing TCP connections |
| 05:04.23 | Shirik | sure you can |
| 05:04.26 | Corrodias | that's a trick |
| 05:04.32 | Shirik | No, it's part of the wifi protocol |
| 05:04.34 | bleeter | anyone managed to see what the Alert contains today, yet? |
| 05:04.36 | ScytheBlade1 | IPv6 makes it a lot easier to manage |
| 05:04.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: okay, with wired connections you could do it |
| 05:04.53 | bleeter | it was a blank page, now it 404's... curious if I missed some interim stage |
| 05:05.00 | Corrodias | and actually... no, changing your location makes you dependant on the new set of IP's that are allocated to the provider in your new location |
| 05:05.03 | Corrodias | so i guess ipv4 doesn't do that |
| 05:05.11 | Shirik | You are arguing something diffferent, Corrodias |
| 05:05.17 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 said different APs |
| 05:05.22 | Shirik | you are saying different providers |
| 05:05.25 | Shirik | there is a distinction |
| 05:05.33 | Corrodias | he said locations, then other end of the world |
| 05:05.43 | Shirik | (01:03:38) (ScytheBlade1) You could hop from wifi AP to wifi AP |
| 05:05.48 | Corrodias | i assume my local ISP office does not operate in china |
| 05:06.15 | Corrodias | well yes, then he said "<ScytheBlade1> You could take your laptop to the other end of the world and still use the same address" |
| 05:06.17 | Tekkub | god damn bindy runes |
| 05:06.19 | Amarande | Corrodias: in today's corporate world, you should never assume even that |
| 05:06.29 | Tekkub | WTB addon that auto accept "this will bind" when not in a group |
| 05:06.34 | Shirik | I don't type that fast while lying down, Corrodias |
| 05:06.44 | Corrodias | gah! everybody stop being so interesting; there are so many damn games to play, i don't have time to talk! ;.; |
| 05:06.44 | Adys | YES TEKKUB please |
| 05:06.46 | Adys | someone |
| 05:06.50 | Amarande | Tek: can that be done or is it protected? |
| 05:06.52 | Tekkub | I know there are some |
| 05:06.54 | bleeter | there was one on wowi pointed out earlier today |
| 05:07.07 | Tekkub | point me to one I can rip apart and eat it's gooey innards |
| 05:07.44 | bleeter | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=11404 |
| 05:07.55 | Shirik | bad Tekkub! |
| 05:08.01 | Amarande | hmm |
| 05:08.01 | bleeter | BBRAAAINNNZZZ |
| 05:08.02 | Shirik | eat it is gooey innards? |
| 05:08.05 | bleeter | iz gud |
| 05:08.05 | Amarande | apparently wowjutsu's out of date |
| 05:08.13 | Adys | http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/worldofwarcraft/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-42654981&pid=534914 |
| 05:08.14 | Adys | love google |
| 05:08.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: in any case, if all else fails, you could just register a second account with a second, different hostmask |
| 05:08.19 | Adys | Tekkub: ^ |
| 05:08.20 | Amarande | the top guilds on QD are actually much further in sunwell than wowjutsu says |
| 05:08.21 | Tekkub | right, I meant suck it's warm goo through a tube |
| 05:08.28 | Shirik | suck it is warm goo? |
| 05:08.34 | ScytheBlade1 | (Keep in mind that nicks aren't strictly tied to accounts here) |
| 05:08.57 | Amarande | heh |
| 05:09.01 | Shirik | I mean, it is certainly true I can just keep the nicks separate |
| 05:09.04 | Amarande | now there's a reason for a raid to get stuck I've never seen before on forums |
| 05:09.06 | Shirik | that may be the best thing to do, to be honest |
| 05:09.08 | Amarande | "someone losing their Authenticator" |
| 05:09.21 | bleeter | Tekkub: check the comments on that addon, it's suggested the API call to do it for you is protected |
| 05:09.37 | Shirik | problem is currently I have a strict match on nick or you get disconnected |
| 05:09.37 | Tekkub | what |
| 05:09.47 | Sixen | So, is anyone else digging these Zombie icons? |
| 05:09.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Check for two |
| 05:09.58 | Shirik | I can change that |
| 05:10.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: yes, incredibly so |
| 05:10.12 | Shirik | Actually I can do a lot, since it's in Lua! |
| 05:10.13 | Sixen | ;) |
| 05:10.39 | Tekkub | ConfirmBindOnUse is NOT bind on pick |
| 05:10.44 | Tekkub | it's bind on USE |
| 05:10.55 | Tekkub | which then uses the item, hence why it's protected |
| 05:11.10 | Amarande | also speaking of confirmbind things, any idea if the BoE bug with ArkInventory will ever be fixed? |
| 05:11.11 | bleeter | yeah well I didn't read that close :P |
| 05:11.27 | bleeter | Sixen: Blizz should have some kinda offline zombie game we can play during maint ;) |
| 05:11.28 | Amarande | it's existed since at least 2.3, and I've never seen it fixed yet, but I'm also not sure exactly -why- it happens |
| 05:11.33 | Amarande | other than how to reproduce the error |
| 05:11.36 | Shirik | Also, for the record, there are many reasons why it's fun to program for Windows. |
| 05:11.44 | Tekkub | there are? |
| 05:11.50 | Amarande | Shirik: there are? |
| 05:11.52 | Shirik | But above all of them is probably the error messages you get. Only Visual Studio gives you feeefeee: |
| 05:11.53 | Shirik | First-chance exception at 0x002720be in shibounce.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation writing location 0xfeeefeee. |
| 05:11.56 | Sixen | Agreed @ Bleet! |
| 05:12.01 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: is the arkinventory author in here? |
| 05:12.01 | Sixen | World of Brains! |
| 05:12.07 | bleeter | BBRAAAINNNZZZZ |
| 05:12.10 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: I'm not even sure who the arkinventory author is :| |
| 05:12.15 | Sixen | WoW: The Braining Crusade |
| 05:12.19 | Arrowmaster | then dont ask us |
| 05:12.19 | bleeter | lol |
| 05:12.20 | Sixen | WoW: Wrath of the Lich's Brain |
| 05:12.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:12.33 | bleeter | WoW: The Emerald Brain |
| 05:12.35 | Sixen | win |
| 05:12.48 | Sixen | WoW: The Frozen Brain |
| 05:12.49 | Sixen | no |
| 05:12.50 | Sixen | war3 |
| 05:12.56 | Sixen | War3: Breign of Chaos |
| 05:12.58 | Sixen | that wins all |
| 05:13.04 | Sixen | BREIGNZ |
| 05:13.18 | bleeter | BrainCraft 2 |
| 05:13.30 | bleeter | BBRRRAINNNZZ |
| 05:13.44 | Sixen | :D |
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| 05:14.36 | bleeter | you know what'd be real cool |
| 05:14.43 | Adys | a hot pizza right now |
| 05:14.51 | ScytheBlade1 | No, that'd be hot |
| 05:14.52 | bleeter | a NR instance where for a boss fight, one has to be a zombie again to fight them |
| 05:15.03 | Tekkub | okey time to test |
| 05:15.09 | Adys | cthun version 2 |
| 05:15.11 | Adys | dont fight an eye |
| 05:15.13 | Adys | fight a brain |
| 05:15.26 | Adys | you need a zombie raid to munch on it to weaken the boss |
| 05:15.28 | bleeter | Breign the Brain |
| 05:15.50 | Sixen | :) |
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| 05:16.10 | Sixen | Screw it.. Brainzard Entertainment |
| 05:16.15 | bleeter | lolol |
| 05:16.18 | Sixen | ;) |
| 05:16.27 | Adys | Activision Blzmkjbraaiaiiinnnnsss |
| 05:16.48 | Sixen | :D |
| 05:17.07 | bleeter | pity the stock ticker of ABRNZ is prolly not acceptable in some places |
| 05:17.09 | Sixen | Brainfizzle |
| 05:17.23 | Adys | Cairbrains |
| 05:17.28 | Sixen | Braixen. |
| 05:17.34 | Adys | Brainrenn ! |
| 05:17.37 | Sixen | brainteer |
| 05:17.38 | bleeter | I was about to say Cogbrains |
| 05:17.43 | Sixen | Rofl! Brainwheel! |
| 05:17.47 | bleeter | but then bnoticed how wrong that is on so many levels |
| 05:17.48 | Adys | clad|brains |
| 05:17.54 | Sixen | ;p |
| 05:18.04 | Adys | lol bleeter |
| 05:18.05 | Sixen | Brainriel. |
| 05:18.16 | Sixen | Lopepbrainy. |
| 05:18.17 | Adys | BrainPower |
| 05:18.20 | Sixen | hahahaha |
| 05:18.21 | cog|away | Cairbrainn |
| 05:18.25 | Sixen | brain:away |
| 05:18.35 | Sixen | s/:/|/ |
| 05:18.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:18.44 | Adys | brainbot ! |
| 05:18.51 | Sixen | AnduinBrainthar. |
| 05:19.00 | cog|away | BrainduinLothar |
| 05:19.02 | Sixen | alesbrain |
| 05:19.04 | bleeter | I wonder if I made a forum post with the subject of "@ OrdibraaaiIINNZZZ" I'd get a reply |
| 05:19.12 | Sixen | Rofl |
| 05:19.15 | Sixen | ScytheBrain1 |
| 05:19.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:19.20 | Sixen | BrainDeeThree |
| 05:19.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That was easier than I expected |
| 05:19.27 | Sixen | ;) |
| 05:19.33 | Sixen | Thunder_Brain |
| 05:19.42 | cog|away | Brain_Child |
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| 05:19.56 | cog|away | Brainiddley |
| 05:20.04 | Sixen | NightHawkTheBrain |
| 05:20.18 | Sixen | TotalBrainscuit! |
| 05:20.36 | bleeter | now if Blizz can tune the loltext from Apr 1st to introduce random BRRAINNNZZZ to posts... |
| 05:20.41 | Sixen | We need a #brains channel. |
| 05:20.42 | bleeter | ... I think I'd die laughing |
| 05:20.44 | cog|away | Braindustrial |
| 05:20.48 | Adys | Adys, Hand of A'brain |
| 05:20.51 | Sixen | :D |
| 05:20.54 | Adys | or Brain of A'dal |
| 05:20.56 | Adys | or something. |
| 05:21.00 | cog|away | haha |
| 05:21.10 | Sixen | BRAINROOOY JENKINNNNNNNNNS |
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| 05:21.20 | Adys | Brainkins. |
| 05:21.21 | bleeter | a'dal has no brain, look what he let happen under his nose ;) |
| 05:21.26 | Sixen | Did he sneeze? |
| 05:21.28 | Shirik | ~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 05:21.33 | Adys | ~brains |
| 05:21.34 | Sixen | Brainrik? |
| 05:21.39 | Shirik | ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 05:21.40 | purl | ~~~~~~~~~~~ are YOU READY?????????? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 05:21.44 | Sixen | How to make a command on purl.. |
| 05:21.50 | bleeter | WAR IZ MANKRIKZ BRRAINNZZ??? |
| 05:21.50 | Sixen | ~halp |
| 05:21.51 | purl | Help yourself, scrub. |
| 05:21.53 | Sixen | QQ |
| 05:21.57 | Adys | ~brains |
| 05:21.58 | purl | BRAIIINZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
| 05:22.00 | Sixen | YES |
| 05:22.01 | Shirik | purl, help Sixen |
| 05:22.09 | Shirik | (01:22:01) (purl) no help on sixen. Use 'help' without arguments. |
| 05:22.11 | Sixen | Please purl! My leg is broken! |
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| 05:22.13 | cog|away | purl, you are not prepared |
| 05:22.13 | purl | cog|away: I think you lost me on that one |
| 05:22.26 | Sixen | purl, do you eat brains? |
| 05:22.27 | purl | yes, I eat brains. |
| 05:22.29 | Sixen | Me too |
| 05:22.39 | Shirik | purl, do you love me? |
| 05:22.39 | purl | yes, I love me. |
| 05:22.40 | Adys | purl, do you too? |
| 05:22.40 | purl | yes, I too. |
| 05:22.43 | Sixen | Rofl |
| 05:22.46 | Adys | [07:21:27] <purl> yes, I love me. |
| 05:22.47 | Adys | [07:21:28] <purl> yes, I too. |
| 05:22.48 | Adys | wow |
| 05:22.55 | Sixen | purl, are you gay |
| 05:23.01 | Sixen | s//?/ |
| 05:23.02 | Sixen | : |
| 05:23.03 | Sixen | :( |
| 05:23.03 | Shirik | ~literal CMD do you (.*?) |
| 05:23.07 | Adys | purl, do you gay? |
| 05:23.08 | purl | yes, I gay. |
| 05:23.11 | Sixen | Roflmfao |
| 05:23.13 | Adys | see this works |
| 05:23.20 | bleeter | btw blizz I won't be truly happy until you STOP STEALING MY BUKKIT http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32971 |
| 05:23.28 | Shirik | ~literal CMD do (.*?) |
| 05:23.32 | Shirik | bleh |
| 05:23.35 | Syzgyn | purl, do you am a zombie? |
| 05:23.36 | purl | yes, I am a zombie. |
| 05:23.41 | Sixen | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=43840 BRAINZ |
| 05:23.57 | Shirik | crap, forgot a colon |
| 05:24.02 | Shirik | ~literal CMD: do you (.*?) |
| 05:24.03 | purl | "cmd: do you (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> yes, I $1." |
| 05:24.06 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:24.17 | Sixen | purl, do you know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop? |
| 05:24.18 | purl | yes, I know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop. |
| 05:24.24 | Sixen | purl, do you know who let the dogs out? |
| 05:24.25 | purl | yes, I know who let the dogs out. |
| 05:24.30 | Sixen | orly? |
| 05:24.38 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 05:24.43 | Sixen | purl, do you know why Shirik stabbed Sixen? |
| 05:24.43 | purl | yes, I know why Shirik stabbed Sixen. |
| 05:24.44 | End | purl, do you ? |
| 05:24.44 | purl | ACTION does you. |
| 05:24.47 | Sixen | ROFL |
| 05:24.48 | End | er |
| 05:24.59 | Sixen | That was awesome. |
| 05:25.22 | Sixen | purl, touches himself at night? |
| 05:25.24 | Sixen | :( |
| 05:25.40 | Sixen | effort +1, phale -10 |
| 05:25.53 | Shirik | ~Sixen-- |
| 05:26.27 | Sixen | They need to make a Zombie Drink |
| 05:26.30 | cog|away | ~Shirik-- |
| 05:26.33 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:26.36 | Sixen | ~C++ |
| 05:26.43 | cog|away | ~karma C |
| 05:26.43 | purl | c has karma of 10 |
| 05:26.46 | bleeter | Sixen: yes. chewy yet tasty |
| 05:26.51 | End | ~C-- |
| 05:26.53 | Sixen | Oh yes! |
| 05:26.54 | Sixen | Brainfood! |
| 05:27.08 | Shirik | ~cogwheel++ |
| 05:27.23 | Sixen | ~english++ |
| 05:27.26 | bleeter | brains blended with ... [mageroyal] and [small egg] |
| 05:27.32 | End | ~botsnack |
| 05:27.32 | purl | thanks, End |
| 05:28.01 | Sixen | Mmmmm... Cooked over a nice campfire.. |
| 05:28.12 | cog|away | ~karma manbearpig |
| 05:28.12 | purl | manbearpig has neutral karma |
| 05:28.22 | Sixen | That would give me gas, causing brainfarts.. *drumroll* |
| 05:28.33 | Dashkal | ~rimshot |
| 05:28.33 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 05:28.37 | bleeter | oO |
| 05:28.39 | Sixen | that |
| 05:28.41 | Sixen | ~brainshot |
| 05:29.09 | Sixen | #brainuidev |
| 05:29.22 | Sixen | we should officially change this name to #brains |
| 05:29.24 | bleeter | sure, 'coz it ain't wowuibrains |
| 05:29.33 | Sixen | :P |
| 05:29.33 | bleeter | :P |
| 05:29.38 | Sixen | =O |
| 05:29.43 | Sixen | Get outta my brains! |
| 05:29.58 | Sixen | Windows Brain1.0 |
| 05:30.08 | Shirik | ok I go to sleep now |
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| 05:30.15 | Shirik | don't let cog|away eat you |
| 05:30.17 | Sixen | Night brainrik. |
| 05:30.22 | cog|away | Brawrns |
| 05:30.28 | Sixen | Bronze? |
| 05:30.29 | bleeter | oh, goodie.. guildies home from work, just in time to tell them I still have nfi what time shutdown is this evening. BRRRRAIINNZZZZ |
| 05:30.52 | Sixen | Seriously, we need to make something out of this whole brains event. |
| 05:30.59 | Sixen | www.wowbrains.com |
| 05:31.05 | Shirik | I'm going to put in a Shiibot API to kick anyone that says any variant of BRAINZ >< |
| 05:31.09 | Sixen | ! |
| 05:31.12 | Shirik | s/API/AI/ |
| 05:31.13 | Adys | BRAINZ! |
| 05:31.13 | Sixen | I better get it all out now. |
| 05:31.21 | Shirik | but really, night |
| 05:31.23 | Sixen | s/better/brains |
| 05:31.27 | Sixen | s/better/brains/ |
| 05:31.31 | Sixen | o lawd |
| 05:31.33 | bleeter | gnight Shirik|brrainnsszzzz |
| 05:31.36 | Sixen | s/o/brains |
| 05:31.39 | Sixen | -_-! |
| 05:31.39 | NightHawkTheSane | lua> 5%2 |
| 05:31.40 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: 1 |
| 05:31.44 | NightHawkTheSane | lua> 6%2 |
| 05:31.45 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: 0 |
| 05:31.48 | cog|away | ~fail Sixen |
| 05:31.49 | purl | Sixen: FAIL! |
| 05:31.52 | Sixen | lua>12%brains |
| 05:31.53 | lua_bot | Sixen: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'brains' (a nil value) |
| 05:32.00 | Sixen | wow |
| 05:32.06 | Sixen | That's 2 failures in less than 5 seconds. |
| 05:32.11 | Sixen | It must be a sign. |
| 05:33.21 | bleeter | Sixen: hmm, guildie suggestion. occasionally, the brew of the month is 'off', and starts a re-infection ;) |
| 05:34.09 | Sixen | Yes! |
| 05:34.16 | Sixen | BRAIN OF THE MONTH |
| 05:34.24 | Adys | Club. |
| 05:34.24 | Sixen | There needs be a permanent Zombie NPC. |
| 05:34.44 | Sixen | Deckard Cain <Zombie> |
| 05:35.33 | NightHawkTheSane | 'Stay a while and braaaaaiiinnnnsssss......' |
| 05:35.49 | Sixen | ! |
| 05:35.52 | Adys | lol |
| 05:36.09 | Sixen | The Butcher <Zombie> |
| 05:36.14 | Sixen | "Ahhhh... Fresh Meat!" |
| 05:36.27 | Sixen | (diablo 1) |
| 05:36.52 | bleeter | Sixen: zombie escort quest... or a zombie quest chain with something like vargoth's staff |
| 05:37.01 | Sixen | Agreed 100% |
| 05:37.21 | Sixen | And the reward is a Brain that you can equip on your head |
| 05:37.23 | bleeter | MOAR ZOMBEEZ MOAR BRAINZZ |
| 05:37.25 | Sixen | And it turns you into a zombie. |
| 05:38.06 | Sixen | We'll brainstorm more tomorrow... |
| 05:38.09 | Sixen | ~rimshot |
| 05:38.09 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 05:38.11 | Sixen | ;) |
| 05:38.56 | Adys | So you're in AV and OH MY GOD A ZOMBIE ARMY |
| 05:39.23 | bleeter | zombie BG would rule |
| 05:40.06 | Sixen | :D |
| 05:40.16 | Sixen | Defense of the Brains |
| 05:40.21 | Sixen | Capture the Brain |
| 05:41.02 | Sixen | Srs, night guys. |
| 05:41.07 | Adys | nite |
| 05:41.19 | bleeter | gn Sixen rest well mate :) |
| 05:41.36 | Proditor | do you guys perhaps know a windows svn changelog generator? :O |
| 05:41.46 | Sixen | <3, night. |
| 05:42.07 | NightHawkTheSane | install cygwin, install subversion, `svn log > changelog.txt` |
| 05:43.52 | Dashkal | Night |
| 05:44.09 | Proditor | Hmm, thank you, I'll look into that |
| 05:45.14 | Adys | I mean, no one's gonna eat your eyes |
| 05:54.13 | NightHawkTheSane | lua> math.min(4,5) |
| 05:54.14 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: 4 |
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| 05:55.14 | Amarande | so, are there any durations/cooldowns that will bug up if we happen to be playing at 2am Saturday night? |
| 05:55.25 | Amarande | or will they not bring the servers back to standard time till the next maintenance after? |
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| 06:07.06 | bleeter | anyone got a 3rd party program to identify a pally player on vent and MUTE THEIR BUTT?? |
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| 06:07.43 | Antiarc | http://www.wowace.com/projects/sexymap/images/6-parchment-preset/ |
| 06:07.44 | Antiarc | :D |
| 06:08.38 | bleeter | awesomification eh? |
| 06:08.43 | Antiarc | yes |
| 06:09.00 | bleeter | you should (TM) that before some other scumbag steals it |
| 06:09.19 | bleeter | not to say that you're ... |
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| 06:18.16 | ccox|benadryl | Tekkub: you do know that TourGuide's coordinates are hosed in Stormwind, right? |
| 06:18.39 | Tekkub | not much I can do about that without hunting donw every one |
| 06:24.01 | ccox|benadryl | so you're just going to wait for wowhead to get new NPC data? |
| 06:25.06 | Tekkub | basically |
| 06:25.20 | Tekkub | not like you do much in shitwind anyway |
| 06:30.19 | Nechckn | lol now that is the spirit! |
| 06:31.03 | Cidan | Is double/dual talent trees confirmed? |
| 06:31.07 | Cidan | or is that just a rumor? |
| 06:31.24 | End | Blizzard has touched on it twice. |
| 06:31.43 | Cidan | I assume no real ETA though, correct? |
| 06:31.51 | End | They've said later content patch |
| 06:32.03 | Tekkub | 3.1 |
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| 06:32.44 | Cidan | Welp, here's to hoping, teehee. |
| 06:32.45 | Cidan | =D |
| 06:32.48 | Cidan | How is everyone? |
| 06:32.49 | NightHawkTheSane | they didn't say 3.1 i dont think |
| 06:32.58 | NightHawkTheSane | they just said a content patch after wrath |
| 06:33.04 | End | I don't remember them saying 3.1 either, but they might have |
| 06:33.16 | End | I remember they said swimming mounts was 3.1 though :P |
| 06:33.27 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 06:34.02 | Adys | Anyone knows what the inspect window uses to set the model? |
| 06:34.09 | Adys | since SetUnit doesnt do the same thing |
| 06:36.58 | Tekkub | okey so, I couldn't get it to auto-accept the bind the moment it pops up |
| 06:37.05 | Tekkub | and I don't want to run an onupdate |
| 06:37.23 | Tekkub | but I made it so if you just ESC from the popup it'll accept it, if you're solo |
| 06:38.24 | Adys | why couldnt you autoaccept? |
| 06:38.44 | Tekkub | it doesn't works the moment the popup is created |
| 06:39.02 | Tekkub | I'd have to wait a moment, which means onupdate, which I'd prefer not to do |
| 06:39.08 | Cidan | hm |
| 06:39.13 | Cidan | I wonder how 3.0.2 runs in wine |
| 06:39.18 | Adys | very well |
| 06:39.20 | Tekkub | side not, I'm killing things in Deadmines without doing anything |
| 06:39.26 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.45 | Redguard | you'll love it even more after another nerf :) |
| 06:40.16 | Tekkub | and there's a damn shade following me around |
| 06:40.17 | Adys | Tekkub: maybe a while check or something? or thats totally a bad idea |
| 06:40.39 | Tekkub | erm, while would lock up until it accepts, ick |
| 06:40.51 | Adys | yeah but how long would that be? |
| 06:41.01 | Tekkub | highly ick if there's lag involved |
| 06:41.09 | Tekkub | until the loot slot clears |
| 06:41.16 | Adys | ahhhh |
| 06:41.31 | Adys | i thought it was just a set timer |
| 06:43.17 | Tekkub | Redguard, I'm only ret for levlin :P |
| 06:44.28 | Tekkub | good ol Mr SMite |
| 06:45.54 | Tekkub | ah ah oh ah oh oh ah ah oh ah oh ah oh ah ah ah |
| 06:45.58 | Tekkub | I love killing hoomans |
| 06:51.33 | Adys | oh |
| 06:51.39 | Adys | you dont leave group anymore when you logout |
| 07:01.07 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/56613628 |
| 07:02.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i love garfield minus garfield |
| 07:06.47 | Tekkub | it's so... scary |
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| 07:36.02 | ccox|benadryl | ccox|sleep |
| 07:41.52 | ZorbaTHut | hahah I lost it at http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/53851083 |
| 07:45.11 | NightHawkTheSane | seriously <3 that site. |
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| 07:51.10 | Shaone | Do you guys see anything wrong with this? http://mibbit.com/pb/022hb6 |
| 07:51.27 | Shaone | I can't get it to show up. |
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| 07:59.32 | Shaone | Anyone? |
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| 08:02.41 | Shaone | Found it, damn slashes.. |
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| 08:32.48 | zenzio | woot, arrived at work to find the power in the area had just went out... 1.5 hours of doing nothing \o/ |
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| 08:42.38 | Redguard | could be worse |
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| 09:27.08 | Antiarc | http://i36.tinypic.com/242isrs.jpg is out of combat, and http://i33.tinypic.com/30ib9dw.jpg is in combat |
| 09:27.08 | Antiarc | :D |
| 09:27.13 | Antiarc | I'm pretty pleased with it :D |
| 09:28.09 | zenzio | what are we looking at, the UI in general? |
| 09:28.13 | Antiarc | si |
| 09:28.31 | Cairenn | that looks really awesome Antiarc |
| 09:30.15 | vithos_ | Antiarc: i hate you for being able to have so few buttons. |
| 09:30.40 | vithos_ | but it looks good |
| 09:31.00 | Antiarc | I use many more than that |
| 09:31.08 | Antiarc | I just use those for visual cohesion |
| 09:31.11 | Antiarc | I keybind everything |
| 09:32.46 | Cidan | Does anyone know of a good one bag addon that does't look like ass? |
| 09:32.57 | Cidan | In particular, a one bag addon with the art of regular bags. |
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| 09:34.32 | vithos_ | Cidan: have you tried Combuctor? |
| 09:35.17 | vithos_ | i think it's what regular bags look like, but it's been a long time since i've seen them |
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| 09:44.53 | Aiiane | Cidan: also, I think Baggins can use the regular bag skin can't it? |
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| 09:59.14 | Redguard | damn, I just sold Nechckn_AFK a gun |
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| 10:07.18 | Mikk | Aiiane: It can use something that looks nearly like the normal bag skin, yes |
| 10:16.58 | Mundyz | whats the name of the clock object |
| 10:17.01 | Mundyz | so i can show/hide it |
| 10:17.16 | Industrial | GameTimeFrame |
| 10:17.18 | Industrial | afaik |
| 10:18.49 | Mundyz | that doesnt seem to work |
| 10:18.53 | Mundyz | doesnt come up with an error though |
| 10:18.59 | Drakhaon | nope |
| 10:19.04 | Drakhaon | GameTimeFrame is the Calendar icon |
| 10:19.13 | Drakhaon | used to be a sun/moon thing |
| 10:19.20 | Mundyz | ah right |
| 10:19.24 | Mundyz | do you know what the clock is? |
| 10:19.45 | Drakhaon | wanna hide it? |
| 10:19.53 | Drakhaon | then just deselect in the interface? |
| 10:20.14 | Mundyz | nah want to move/manipulate it |
| 10:20.17 | Drakhaon | Interface > Display > [ ] Show Clock |
| 10:20.19 | Drakhaon | ah |
| 10:20.29 | Drakhaon | but no, dont know its name |
| 10:20.30 | Mundyz | see what else i can do with it |
| 10:20.50 | Mundyz | is there a list of like |
| 10:20.52 | Drakhaon | you can do with it what you can do with any frame :P set scale, alpha, points - add stuff to it etc |
| 10:20.54 | Mundyz | interface objects etc |
| 10:21.02 | Mundyz | yeah i assumed as much |
| 10:21.04 | Drakhaon | there's a function to get children I think |
| 10:22.51 | Drakhaon | but there's a nice macro on WoWWiki to find out a frame/item name |
| 10:22.56 | Drakhaon | of any object on the screen |
| 10:22.59 | Mundyz | link? |
| 10:23.10 | Drakhaon | dont remember it, havent used that macro for ages |
| 10:25.18 | Mundyz | any idea of some keywords i'd use to find it? o_0 |
| 10:26.12 | cladhaire | so my sister has cancer |
| 10:26.19 | cladhaire | and has a blog where she talks about it, and relates her stories |
| 10:26.50 | cladhaire | and today.. |
| 10:26.51 | krka | sorry to hear that, which kind of cancer? |
| 10:26.52 | cladhaire | she gets wow gold spam |
| 10:27.00 | cladhaire | krka: Colonorectal cancer |
| 10:27.07 | cladhaire | at the age of 32, which is quite teh anomoly |
| 10:27.16 | cladhaire | she's doing well with treatment and she's really strong |
| 10:27.18 | cladhaire | but really.. wow gold |
| 10:27.20 | cladhaire | spam |
| 10:27.22 | cladhaire | on a cancer blog |
| 10:27.22 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 10:27.24 | krka | most types are rare at 32 |
| 10:27.29 | krka | that's strange |
| 10:27.37 | krka | wow gold spam is also a pain in the ass |
| 10:27.43 | krka | i sort of see the link |
| 10:27.52 | cladhaire | http://www.blogger.com/profile/05125150283445337523 |
| 10:27.56 | cladhaire | hahaha |
| 10:29.37 | krka | is it a relatively lethal or safe type of cancer? like compared to lung cancer and brain tumors |
| 10:30.51 | cladhaire | I'm not sure, to be honest |
| 10:30.55 | cladhaire | the prognosis typically isn't very good |
| 10:31.00 | cladhaire | but in her case she's doing well |
| 10:31.00 | krka | come to think of it, i am also a pain in the ass, and my sign is cancer |
| 10:31.07 | cladhaire | bah, I have to run to the office now =/ |
| 10:31.10 | krka | good luck to her anyawy |
| 10:31.11 | cladhaire | i'll talk to you guys in a bit when I log in there. |
| 10:31.16 | cladhaire | thanks krka, appreciate it. |
| 10:31.23 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.17 | Redguard | colon cancer can overall deteriorate your health |
| 10:34.34 | Redguard | just imagine this - your intestines are not functioning properly, how do you think your body will react? |
| 10:34.59 | krka | in the long term, i am sure all cancer types deteriorate your health |
| 10:35.03 | Redguard | mhm |
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| 10:38.11 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/blackout-pena.jpg - screen1) where's the bus already? screen3) what the fook |
| 10:39.47 | mikma | We are going to hotfix the nerfs to Judgement of the Wise (from 33% to 15%) and Seal and Judgement of Command (down 20% damage) to live. |
| 10:39.50 | mikma | YEY! |
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| 10:40.40 | Redguard | :) |
| 10:44.16 | zenzio | all about the nick bus |
| 10:44.35 | zenzio | tonight... on MSNBCBS |
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| 12:44.48 | alestane | Oh dear: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11829539060&sid=1 |
| 12:45.54 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* |
| 12:46.06 | Lopeppeppy | "For those of you playing at home... maverick!" |
| 12:48.16 | mikma | cool idea |
| 12:48.22 | mikma | too bad i dont drink |
| 12:48.35 | mikma | my wife said i should code a girl-addon |
| 12:48.52 | mikma | so you can add flowers and bunnies around the screen |
| 12:48.59 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. |
| 12:49.14 | Lopeppeppy | I believe that would be hello-kitty UI. :) |
| 12:49.27 | alestane | Peppy beat me to it. |
| 12:49.38 | alestane | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7517-HelloKittyIslandAdventure.html |
| 12:49.41 | mikma | no, just flowers and bunnies, not hellokitty or pink |
| 12:49.52 | alestane | I made the button skin. No guarantees this works with 3.0. |
| 12:50.04 | mikma | i told her hellokitty exists, she said no for hellokitty and pink |
| 12:51.17 | mikma | hmm, randomly spawn flowers across screen at every login/zoning |
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| 12:53.03 | alestane | Random comment: The herbalist HOT ability causes flowers to sprout around your feet. |
| 12:54.35 | mikma | ye |
| 12:56.01 | Lopeppeppy | Huh... there's a special herbalism healing spell? |
| 12:56.07 | Lopeppeppy | Because if so, this paladin is about to get wicked pissed. |
| 12:56.21 | mikma | ya |
| 12:56.27 | mikma | lifeblood? |
| 12:56.33 | mikma | or something |
| 12:56.38 | alestane | Herbalists get a little self-cast HoT on a cooldown. |
| 12:56.43 | mikma | get herbalism, you get a free hot |
| 12:56.45 | alestane | Lifeblood, yes. |
| 12:56.57 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. It's a self-cast. I can be okay with that. |
| 12:57.14 | Lopeppeppy | But I'm still pissed that they can give herbalists a healing spell but not paladins. What the hell. |
| 12:57.21 | mikma | like alestane said, spawns huge amount of flowers circling onh you when used |
| 12:57.25 | mikma | is quite cool |
| 12:57.33 | |pez| | I need more stone for my healingthingies. |
| 12:58.02 | |pez| | I also want a better version of my manaowl. |
| 12:58.07 | malreth | Paladins were made to suffer |
| 12:58.12 | Lopeppeppy | I hear that, malreth |
| 12:58.17 | mikma | hence the live nerf! |
| 12:58.20 | mikma | whooooo |
| 12:58.37 | mikma | no need to wait until 3.0.3 to pvp again |
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| 13:00.42 | zenzio | miners just get +health, no fancy graphics :-| |
| 13:01.51 | mikma | enchanters get nothing |
| 13:02.09 | zenzio | that's because it's a crafting profession, not a gathering profession |
| 13:02.24 | mikma | and engineer is gathering? |
| 13:02.32 | mikma | they got +armor afaik |
| 13:02.34 | zenzio | I never said anything about engineering |
| 13:02.37 | Pneumatus | thats mining |
| 13:02.43 | malreth | zenzio: Alchemists got Mixology |
| 13:02.51 | malreth | that's not a gathering profession |
| 13:03.15 | mikma | everything else except enchanting got sweet stuff =I |
| 13:03.26 | malreth | and tailoring |
| 13:03.32 | malreth | they got crap in a bag |
| 13:03.33 | zenzio | I don't remember seeing anything for blacksmithing |
| 13:03.36 | Pneumatus | enchanting has ring enchants already, qq more |
| 13:03.48 | mikma | malreth: they get flying carpet lol |
| 13:03.51 | malreth | blacksmithing gets the ability to add additional sockets to certain items |
| 13:04.33 | |pez| | Any of you know if I can get a usb keyboard work with æøå on a xbox 360? |
| 13:04.33 | |pez| | the keyboard works. |
| 13:04.33 | zenzio | not for a while yet thank you very much |
| 13:04.34 | zenzio | INSTANT GRATIFICATION |
| 13:04.34 | malreth | mikma: ooooh... a flyyyyyiiiiiing caaaaaarpeeeet |
| 13:04.34 | malreth | unless it's insta-cast, it's fluff |
| 13:04.34 | malreth | nice fluff, but still just fluff |
| 13:04.36 | |pez| | but not the æøå part. |
| 13:05.01 | mikma | malreth: tailors can be aladdin! |
| 13:05.15 | mikma | and engineers can be occ-family hahahaha |
| 13:07.08 | mikma | teutel or whatthehell they were |
| 13:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | For your halloween enjoyment I offer Ghostscape. I played it last night and found it delightfully creepy. http://www.kongregate.com/games/Psionic3D/ghostscape |
| 13:09.15 | alestane | lua> string.join(" or ") |
| 13:09.16 | lua_bot | alestane: No output |
| 13:09.35 | alestane | lua> string.join(" or ", nil, nil) |
| 13:09.35 | lua_bot | alestane: or |
| 13:09.52 | alestane | lua> string.join(" or ", nil) |
| 13:09.53 | lua_bot | alestane: nil |
| 13:10.04 | alestane | Interesting. |
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| 13:16.15 | krka | what is string.join? |
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| 13:38.13 | zarvon | good morning everyone |
| 13:38.21 | Lopeppeppy | Morning |
| 13:38.36 | zarvon | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.29 | alestane | krka: It concatenates all arguments after the first, inserting a copy of the first between them. |
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| 13:41.29 | Josh_Borke | MORNING! |
| 13:41.42 | zarvon | morning |
| 13:41.44 | zarvon | like how to make a simple basic does nothing mod for fubar 3.5. i cant seem to find one and ive looked into mods that work for it but i cant see just the basic stuff im looking for |
| 13:41.58 | Josh_Borke | there's a fubar 3.5? o.O |
| 13:42.16 | zarvon | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/fubar.aspx |
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| 13:44.11 | Lopeppeppy | There used to be something on wowace for making a new plugin. I don't see that it was dragged over to curse. |
| 13:45.15 | alestane | lua> ("%q"):format(5) |
| 13:45.16 | lua_bot | alestane: "5" |
| 13:45.32 | zarvon | kk I'll start looking there. /crossfingers |
| 13:45.48 | alestane | ("_G[%q]"):format(5) |
| 13:46.06 | alestane | lua> ("_G[%q]"):format(5) |
| 13:46.06 | lua_bot | alestane: _G["5"] |
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| 13:49.44 | Josh_Borke | lua> 29.5/4 |
| 13:49.45 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: 7.375 |
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| 13:57.20 | Redguard | lua> invalid(test) |
| 13:57.20 | lua_bot | Redguard: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'invalid' (a nil value) |
| 13:58.13 | alestane | lua> assert(test) |
| 13:58.14 | lua_bot | alestane: luabot:1: assertion failed! |
| 13:58.26 | Lopeppeppy | ~fail alestane |
| 13:58.26 | purl | alestane, you Fail! |
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| 14:03.24 | Lothaer | any devs on atm? |
| 14:04.34 | zenzio | devs for what? |
| 14:04.43 | |pez| | was just about to say... |
| 14:04.57 | Kalroth | kinky |
| 14:05.15 | Lothaer | i would like my mods moved from the wotlk section to the live section |
| 14:05.38 | zenzio | you mean admins then |
| 14:05.53 | zenzio | and I'm not sure if any of them are awake right now |
| 14:05.54 | Lothaer | yeah |
| 14:05.56 | Lothaer | kk |
| 14:06.01 | Redguard | Lothaer I did stay at a Holidayy Inn Express last night... |
| 14:06.23 | Lothaer | k |
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| 14:36.22 | zarvon | anyone know where i can find "WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace3_Addon" the wowace site is soo messed up |
| 14:37.13 | Stanzilla | zarvon: http://old.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace3_Addon |
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| 14:37.36 | kneeki | zarvon: I'm not a fan of the wowace site either. =p |
| 14:37.41 | geno-afk | does anyone happen to know if there are any addons that modify the skin of the battleground map? |
| 14:37.48 | zarvon | OMG thanks to much kneeki |
| 14:37.57 | Stanzilla | geno-afk: http://github.com/tekkub/tekbattlemapenhancer/tree/master |
| 14:38.02 | kneeki | Uhm |
| 14:38.06 | kneeki | You're welcome? |
| 14:38.25 | geno-afk | Stanzilla: Thanks :) |
| 14:38.47 | zarvon | yeap it worked perfectly and im off trying to get away from titan and more into Fubar |
| 14:41.37 | Josh_Borke | zarvon: good for you :-) |
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| 15:02.40 | kneeki | Anyone here have a watercooled PC setup? |
| 15:02.57 | Kaso | i used to have one |
| 15:03.07 | mikma | you mean, seal it and pour water inside? |
| 15:03.30 | kneeki | lol, that's one way |
| 15:04.18 | kneeki | Well, I heard that adding dish washing soap was not good for your loop due to increased corrosion chance on your copper/aluminum parts. But I'm having troubles finding the link to the artical |
| 15:04.42 | Kaso | there is some company doing total immersion cooling on a product theyre selling |
| 15:05.06 | mikma | kneeki: might depend on the soup |
| 15:05.26 | kneeki | yeah |
| 15:05.34 | mikma | i would just get something thats designed for that stuff |
| 15:05.41 | kneeki | that's what I'm reading now. Depending on the soap you use, some has a corrosion inhibitor |
| 15:05.48 | Kaso | Why would soap be anywhere near it? |
| 15:05.49 | kneeki | exactly... |
| 15:05.59 | kneeki | Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out |
| 15:06.30 | kneeki | Why not use something that's designed to reduce bacterial growth, without the chance of extra bubbles & corrosion |
| 15:06.40 | kneeki | bubbles in your WC loop is bad stuff |
| 15:07.15 | kneeki | But, instead of linking me something resourceful to read to prove his point, this guy says: 'Dishwashing soap helps to break surface tension - thus helping to reduce air bubbles and also helping to move them out of the loop.' |
| 15:07.34 | kneeki | which, I suppose makes sence. But it's still not something I would recommend. =\ |
| 15:07.42 | mikma | kneeki: http://www.coolputer.fi/tiedot.asp?t=2184 |
| 15:08.37 | kneeki | That's the stuff I use, not that brand though |
| 15:08.41 | Kaso | just use waterwetter/anti-freeze if you must, but really i think you dont really get much better than just plain distilled water with a few drops of anti-algae |
| 15:10.13 | kneeki | I use distilled water + additive myself. Works great |
| 15:10.28 | kneeki | Which, I wouldn't even need for the most part, if I used fully opaque tubing |
| 15:10.32 | kneeki | but, what's the fun in that? =p |
| 15:14.14 | Kaso | But i abandoned w/c a while back, too much hassle |
| 15:14.37 | kneeki | It is quite a bit of hassle, for sure. But the reward is great if you overclock |
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| 15:31.37 | kneeki | woo |
| 15:31.47 | kneeki | My addon has 11,000 downloads exactly |
| 15:31.49 | kneeki | =p |
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| 15:41.02 | Wikwocket | I know Mixology is in-game... anyone know if the Herbalism spell Lifeblood is? |
| 15:45.07 | alestane | Yes. |
| 15:45.49 | Wikwocket | Oo, neat. Naturally I discover this when my server's down |
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| 15:54.25 | malreth | *hack* |
| 15:54.41 | haste | *slash* |
| 15:57.58 | haste | I was so waiting for someone to do *dot* there |
| 15:59.14 | haste | D: |
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| 16:17.06 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065276949&sid=1 |
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| 16:20.34 | alestane | Yeah, that post is an embarrassment to tech support people everywhere. |
| 16:24.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Not the first time we've had that spam |
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| 16:24.58 | Josh_Borke | ~stab soufron |
| 16:24.58 | purl | ACTION runs at soufron with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 16:27.28 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/10/24/funny-pictures-really-just-tiny-ninjas-in-fur-coats/ win |
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| 16:32.40 | ccox | on the other hand, the fact that all the player icons show up as zombies.... Blizzard++ |
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| 16:43.57 | Dashkal | Faint hope here but I don't suppose there really is a patch and my launcher just isn't finding it? |
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| 16:48.51 | Shirik | You know, I've been wondering |
| 16:48.55 | Shirik | do you think the guy(s) that make WoWMatrix are the ones that make posts like these? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065197001&sid=1 |
| 16:49.14 | Shirik | Ever heard of the term "Any publicity is good publicity?" |
| 16:49.17 | Shirik | s/term/phrase/ |
| 16:50.03 | kneeki | Most likely, or an advocate for WoWMatrix |
| 16:50.11 | ccox | Shirik - I think the OP's guild name sums it up nicely |
| 16:50.11 | Shirik | well obviously an advocate |
| 16:50.22 | kneeki | rofl |
| 16:50.29 | ccox | Shirik - and the player name just adds icing on the cake |
| 16:50.40 | kneeki | pretty much =p |
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| 16:51.24 | Shirik | I mean, if I were someone working on it, and I saw my application often got front-page posts, but suddenly didn't |
| 16:51.31 | Shirik | That might be something I would do if I were evil |
| 16:51.33 | Dashkal | I don't suppose the post could be reported for encouraging copyright infringement? |
| 16:51.40 | kneeki | 'The major addon sites attempt to block wowmatrix, but it continues to brute force hack its way into their sites. ' oh? |
| 16:51.40 | Shirik | it probably could |
| 16:51.45 | Shirik | well I take that back |
| 16:51.51 | Shirik | it definitely could; whether or not they' do something about it is in question |
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| 16:52.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: replied! |
| 16:55.16 | Dashkal | Every year... every year I come across this at least once: http://failblog.org/2008/10/28/science-fail-2/ |
| 16:55.29 | Dashkal | I'm honestly surprised it isn't twice a year |
| 16:55.52 | ScytheBlade1 | loooooooool |
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| 16:57.24 | Industrial | Anyone ever did J2EE webdevelopment? I'm going to have to develop a website using it for school the next 12 weeks and I'm searching for something that will make CRUD really easy so I don't have to write everything myself. I'm swamped in webframework choices and i have nooooo idea what to pick. |
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| 16:58.45 | mikma | dashkal: dear lord |
| 16:58.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065087030&postId=120640714749&sid=1#0 |
| 17:00.19 | Shirik | Industrial: J2EE scares me actually |
| 17:00.26 | Shirik | I'm not your best choice |
| 17:00.30 | Industrial | damn :P me too :( |
| 17:00.59 | Shirik | is this a JWS program or...? |
| 17:01.05 | Industrial | </3 school with no freedom of choice of technology |
| 17:01.10 | Shirik | That's SE I believe |
| 17:01.26 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:01.30 | Shirik | I misunderstood what you're doing |
| 17:01.40 | Shirik | go ask the guys over at JIRA :) |
| 17:02.00 | Industrial | its a school project i have to do, build an e-learning website with J2EE, Tomcat and PostgreSQL |
| 17:02.12 | Shirik | Tomcat I have experience with :) |
| 17:02.18 | Shirik | but... you don't need much to use it |
| 17:02.33 | Shirik | They need to give you choices |
| 17:02.34 | Shirik | damn |
| 17:03.11 | Industrial | doesnt have to be flashy, just done in 12 weeks ;P we spent the last 8 weeks doing analyzing, static analisys, dynmic analisys.. if I see any more use cases im going to start killing people >_< |
| 17:03.52 | Industrial | wish I hadn't have chosen Software engineering but rather the embedded field or systems&network enginering or something :| |
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| 17:10.25 | Drakhaon | whats the lua to create a checkbox? |
| 17:11.04 | Industrial | Drakhaon: CreateFrame('CheckBox') |
| 17:11.08 | Industrial | :p |
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| 17:11.38 | Industrial | no really, I suggest taking a look at the wowwiki interface API portal and taking a look at frame types, how to create them etc. |
| 17:11.40 | alestane | CreateFrame("CheckButton", name, parent, "SomeSuitableChechboxTemplate") |
| 17:13.11 | Drakhaon | that... was sort of logic :D |
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| 17:26.50 | Lunessa | station |
| 17:27.33 | malreth | *hack* |
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| 17:33.37 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 17:33.49 | Shirik | Damn, 60 degrees?! |
| 17:33.58 | Shirik | You're right Lopeppeppy it really could snow, it's freezing... |
| 17:34.09 | Shirik | & Cairenn|afk |
| 17:34.44 | Lunessa | ~weather hou |
| 17:34.50 | Shirik | bad Lunessa |
| 17:34.56 | Shirik | ~weather KHOU |
| 17:34.57 | Lunessa | ~weather IAH |
| 17:35.02 | Shirik | BAD LUNESSA |
| 17:35.10 | Shirik | There are no 3 letter codes! |
| 17:35.12 | Lunessa | DAMN IT |
| 17:35.18 | Shirik | ICAO is always 4 letter |
| 17:35.21 | malreth | ~weather kaus |
| 17:35.24 | Shirik | in the US the majority of codes are Kxxx |
| 17:35.31 | Lunessa | I forgot all the airport codes I had memorized from the 80s |
| 17:35.44 | Shirik | Well those would be FAA/IATA codes anyway |
| 17:35.51 | Shirik | outdated now :) |
| 17:36.02 | Shirik | just tack a K on to them |
| 17:36.04 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 17:36.15 | Cairenn|afk | Shirik: I could wish it was that warm here : 37F with windchill making is feel more like 26F :p |
| 17:36.20 | Lunessa | And hobby is the closest one to me. |
| 17:36.25 | Shirik | eeeew |
| 17:36.31 | Shirik | too cold |
| 17:36.40 | Shirik | I'd die there |
| 17:37.15 | alestane | Okay, Python looks like it can do many useful things, but I prefer Lua's mechanisms for most of them. |
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| 17:37.33 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:37.57 | kd3 | ~weather kvpc |
| 17:38.24 | kd3 | 47? that's it? |
| 17:39.01 | Shirik | I see I'm second choice :( |
| 17:39.37 | Cairenn|afk | :p |
| 17:42.50 | angelnorn | is it just me, or are nameplates visible from 50 billion yards away now? |
| 17:43.57 | Tuller | given that I've picked up people in arenas via them, yes |
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| 17:45.35 | Angelnorn | spiffy |
| 17:46.44 | Lunessa | 50 billion? 50 billion? That's enough to target anything on Azeroth! |
| 17:46.58 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, OP! Nerf, nerf, ner!!! |
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| 17:47.39 | Tuller | never :P |
| 17:48.27 | Lunessa | I know it's a big damned hassle, but... I'm constantly having to tweak things in the saved variables by hand because the sliders hate changing in increments of less than 3. |
| 17:49.03 | Tuller | that's what slash commands/mousewheel is for :P |
| 17:49.15 | Lunessa | I didn't see it in the wiki.. must be blind. |
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| 17:49.21 | Syzgyn | True, I found the slash commands and was happy :D |
| 17:50.02 | Syzgyn | And props for being one of the few addons with very intuitive slash commands! |
| 17:50.09 | malreth | except for the ones in auctioneer |
| 17:50.34 | malreth | where they seem to randomly go down when you wheel up or the other way around sometimes |
| 17:50.52 | Tuller | the mousewheel thing isn't in the wiki |
| 17:51.07 | Tuller | but yeah slash commands are |
| 17:51.12 | Lunessa | Other than that, Dominos is luff. |
| 17:51.33 | Syzgyn | ^^ |
| 17:51.45 | malreth | oh, BTW Mac and Linux gamers: http://down.codeweavers.com/ |
| 17:52.02 | Syzgyn | makes me wish my iBook was intel :\ |
| 17:52.19 | Lunessa | Odd how many of Tuller's addons keep finding their way back into my "must-have" suite. Dominos, SellFish, Ludwig. |
| 17:52.29 | Syzgyn | I know rite? |
| 17:52.43 | alestane | List comprehensions hurt my intellect. |
| 17:53.57 | Tuller | to be fair, there should be little to no difference between sellfish and itemprice now |
| 17:53.59 | Tuller | itempricetooltip, rather |
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| 17:57.32 | Jelly-School | ~hug Peppy |
| 17:57.32 | purl | ACTION hugs Peppy tightly until Peppy turns slightly blue |
| 17:58.11 | Lunessa | Tuller: I was lazy and just grabbed SellFish because i had used it extensively and never looked for an alternative. |
| 18:01.50 | Tuller | hurray |
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| 18:03.47 | Dashkal | Is crossover actually any better for wow than vanilla wine these days? |
| 18:05.01 | kneeki | Dashkal: Not that I have heard. |
| 18:07.23 | Dashkal | mmm, figured. But there are plenty of other games I'd like to play so *nabs download* |
| 18:08.35 | Lunessa | I signed up for one too, even though my home iMac or my PowerBook G$ won't really run many games that I would want to play. |
| 18:09.22 | Dashkal | Nifty thing done with flash: http://www.cleoag.ru/labs/flex/parkseasons/ |
| 18:09.39 | Dashkal | There are direct download links there as well, unsure what the signup is for |
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| 18:12.00 | Josh_Borke | what's the difference between pro and games? |
| 18:12.30 | Dashkal | OPtomized to office vs 3d accell I gather (been awhile since I looked into it) |
| 18:13.24 | kneeki | http://jonoscript.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/pie-in-the-sky/ |
| 18:13.26 | kneeki | great read |
| 18:14.45 | Dashkal | Suddenly I'm reminded of my desire to make a radial action bar... |
| 18:15.08 | Tekkub | heh.. this is totally me (SFW): http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1665298/ http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1665305/ http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1665308/ |
| 18:15.11 | Josh_Borke | good, you should |
| 18:15.36 | Dashkal | I should, but free time is so sharply limited I haven't be able to get it off the ground :( |
| 18:16.17 | Dashkal | Note to wine users: If you did the opengl registry tweak (disabling one of the renderers) go nuke it, I can confirm that my FPS just shot up without it now |
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| 18:16.54 | kneeki | Dashkal: Oh? |
| 18:16.59 | kneeki | Is hardware cursor fixed yet!? |
| 18:17.08 | Dashkal | kneeki: no idea, I run in opengl |
| 18:17.15 | kneeki | dang |
| 18:17.16 | Lunessa | All we want to do is eat your brains. |
| 18:17.27 | Dashkal | Mind you, I should try under crossover/d3d |
| 18:19.17 | Dashkal | Tekkub: nice |
| 18:21.06 | Lunessa | Tekkub: If I could sleep like that, I totally would. |
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| 18:21.50 | Tekkub | I love hibernating |
| 18:22.00 | Tekkub | 10+hr a night is my goal |
| 18:22.14 | Kalroth_ | wow |
| 18:22.26 | Kalroth_ | I'd settle for 6 hours a night! |
| 18:23.15 | Esamynn | erk, I'd collapse on 6 hours a night |
| 18:25.20 | Lunessa | I'm an insomniac. I have the problem on both ends of the sleep cycle. Getting to sleep and staying asleep. A good night for me is 6 hours. |
| 18:26.47 | Lunessa | This thread (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065326721&sid=1 ) should be titled "Plz do my homework for me." |
| 18:29.03 | Dashkal | Oh god, 6 hours a night makes be VERY grumpy. I need 8 and prefer 9 |
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| 18:32.14 | Lunessa | Dashkal: There's a reason I'm tired all the damned time. |
| 18:32.27 | zenzelezz | too much sex |
| 18:32.29 | Dashkal | Lunessa: I don't blame you |
| 18:32.46 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I wish that were my problem. |
| 18:33.44 | Esamynn | heh |
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| 18:35.10 | Dashkal | WTB cure for migraines |
| 18:35.38 | Shirik | Dashkal: Shotgun to the head will get rid of it |
| 18:35.46 | Dashkal | Some days I'm tempted |
| 18:36.25 | Dashkal | I'm hopeful it'll happen. They're actually making progress in figuring out wtf is wrong. |
| 18:36.56 | Shirik | there's been a lot of progress in those kinds of issues, actually |
| 18:37.10 | Dashkal | Until just recently I had no idea that my speech issues were related. |
| 18:37.26 | Shirik | Recently they found a major cause of seizures, for example. Now what causes that trigger is under question |
| 18:37.54 | Dashkal | I'm just glad that medicine is _finally_ taking it seriously. |
| 18:37.59 | Dashkal | <3 Cairenn |
| 18:38.13 | Shirik | white noise machine? Sounds like the stuff I make at my DSP lab |
| 18:38.19 | Shirik | I can actually sell that? |
| 18:38.28 | Cairenn|afk | oh hell yes |
| 18:38.43 | Dashkal | I've never tried white noise, actually. Should at some point |
| 18:38.46 | Cairenn|afk | white noise is wonderful for migraines |
| 18:38.46 | alestane | I thikn pink noise may actually be preferred, but absolutely. |
| 18:39.08 | Shirik | I'm really good at making white noise. Generally, unfortunately, I'm supposed to be filtering out everything below, say, 100Hz |
| 18:39.12 | Shirik | instead of making white noise |
| 18:39.56 | Cairenn|afk | I don't have a white noise machine, I wish I did though |
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| 18:40.18 | Lunessa | One of the things that helps with migraines is a reduction in caffeine. Which is totally at odds with my caffeine addiction. |
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| 18:40.43 | Cairenn|afk | Lunessa: not always true |
| 18:40.47 | Dashkal | Lunessa: caffeine + a single painkiller actually works pretty well for me, but it doesn't deal with the concentration clusterfuck. |
| 18:40.55 | Dashkal | That's the bit that pisses me off most about them, not the pain |
| 18:41.29 | Cairenn|afk | Lunessa: look up the ingredients in many migraine meds - caffeine is typically one of them |
| 18:41.44 | Lunessa | I consume so much caffeine that I don't know how I could live without it. Perhaps I should see what new stuff medical science has come up with in the last 8 year for migraine treatment. |
| 18:41.52 | Dashkal | damnit. artsbuilder with a noise gen hooked up to the out... crash |
| 18:42.00 | Lunessa | Cairenn|afk: I know. It speeds the absobtion of the other ingredients. |
| 18:42.09 | Shirik | Ah I see Cairenn|afk |
| 18:42.28 | Shirik | White noise machines don't actually produce white noise :) |
| 18:42.36 | Cairenn|afk | no |
| 18:42.38 | Dashkal | sadly it doesn't appear to work under kde4. oh well, was a thought |
| 18:42.49 | Cairenn|afk | they cancel out other noises |
| 18:42.52 | zenzelezz | I don't have migraines, but I swear by placebo for headaches |
| 18:42.53 | Shirik | They produce noise with a linear power rating |
| 18:43.06 | Shirik | I should make one of those |
| 18:43.25 | Cairenn|afk | but regardless, they are wonderful for migraines |
| 18:43.27 | Shirik | Unfortunately I don't have a real way of making sure it works |
| 18:43.30 | zenzelezz | Shirik: go with an anisotropic noise machine |
| 18:43.42 | Dashkal | Cairenn|afk: any suggestions on where to find said machine? |
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| 18:43.54 | Cairenn|afk | haven't a clue Dashkal |
| 18:43.58 | alestane | IIRC white noise == linear power/frequency distribution; pink noise == linear perceived loudness over all frequencies. |
| 18:44.12 | Cairenn|afk | like I said, I don't have one myself, just wish I did |
| 18:44.34 | Lunessa | Shirik: Build me one too. I'll blanket my apartment and tell you if it works. :P |
| 18:44.56 | Shirik | I was confusing alestane, but yes |
| 18:45.04 | Dashkal | That was fast: http://www.simplynoise.com/ |
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| 18:45.33 | Shirik | the difference is that perceived loudness is close to a logarithmic scale (why we use dB) |
| 18:45.36 | Dashkal | prolly need better headphones to get the best effect but we'll see |
| 18:45.37 | Cairenn|afk | for me it isn't the volume that's a problem during a migraine, it's frequency/pitch |
| 18:46.15 | Dashkal | Cairenn|afk: The squeal of a bus's breaks... |
| 18:46.22 | Cairenn|afk | oh god |
| 18:46.35 | Shirik | ooh! I could create a device that you can tune to an appropriate frequency that it detects incoming sounds at that frequency and cancels them out |
| 18:46.45 | Cairenn|afk | more like the scream of my computer |
| 18:46.50 | Proditor | Is it possible to delete a SVN project from wowinterface.com? Kinda wanna recreate it. |
| 18:47.03 | Dashkal | My computer's fan gets on my nerves. I can't leave the thing on at night and sleep in the room with it |
| 18:47.25 | Cairenn|afk | Proditor: you need to ask Dolby or clad|away to delete it for you |
| 18:47.45 | Shirik | I probably could but I'm not going to try :) |
| 18:48.01 | Shirik | wrt: svn |
| 18:48.08 | Lunessa | Mid-range low-volume constant sounds like cooling fans and high-frequency sounds alike are triggers for me. |
| 18:48.12 | Dolby | what project you need deleted Proditor ? |
| 18:48.13 | Proditor | alright, I'll do that then, thanks |
| 18:48.39 | malreth | oh... Baggins... how i've missed you my addon friend |
| 18:48.48 | malreth | that's probably the one addon that i cannot live without |
| 18:48.57 | Proditor | Dolby: gladius-341 and Spartacus-340 |
| 18:49.07 | Dashkal | Nifty: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp apparently works |
| 18:49.17 | Shirik | that's white noise, Dashkal |
| 18:49.21 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 18:49.25 | Shirik | what's /dev/dsp? |
| 18:49.33 | Dashkal | digital sound processor |
| 18:49.39 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:49.40 | Shirik | no shit |
| 18:49.42 | Dashkal | OSS style sound |
| 18:49.43 | Shirik | I'm in a class DSP |
| 18:49.49 | Shirik | ah ok |
| 18:49.54 | Dashkal | it's the old interface as opposed to the newer ALSA |
| 18:49.59 | Shirik | I see |
| 18:50.14 | Shirik | That's just as bad as cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio no? |
| 18:50.25 | Shirik | but yes that's white noise |
| 18:50.45 | Dashkal | I've never known what sort of data /dev/dsp actually takes so I'm a little surprised that piping random data actually works |
| 18:50.58 | Shirik | It should just take numbers |
| 18:51.08 | Shirik | It's how all actual DSPs (digital signal processors, not OSS) work |
| 18:51.19 | Dashkal | *nods* /dev/dsp is probably pretty raw |
| 18:51.32 | Dashkal | But I don't know DSP worth anything. I let libraries handle sound for me |
| 18:51.58 | Dashkal | The subject interested me back in school, however I couldn't stand to be in a room with the lead instructor for that area |
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| 18:52.33 | Shirik | DSP is fun but math-intensive |
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| 18:52.59 | Dashkal | I'm cool with any kind of math except matricies |
| 18:53.08 | Dashkal | lemme guess... |
| 18:53.25 | Shirik | not really matrices |
| 18:53.44 | Shirik | a lot of sinc functions, convolution, domain transformations |
| 18:54.28 | Shirik | here let me show you some of my notes |
| 18:54.52 | Dashkal | *nods* sounds like something I could learn then. Though no way I'd be able to jump into it. Just been to long |
| 18:55.46 | Dashkal | Cairenn|afk: I don't know if it's actually working or just the placebo effect at work, but the damn thing appears to be helping. Thank you MUCH |
| 18:56.07 | Cairenn|afk | Dashkal: you're welcome |
| 18:56.42 | Dashkal | Usually by this point my ability to concentrate is just gone. I'm still getting work done. total win |
| 18:56.51 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 18:57.17 | Cairenn|afk | nothing like someone else with chronic migraines to know what'll help |
| 18:57.26 | Dashkal | *nodnog* |
| 18:58.04 | Cairenn|afk | and yes, I do mean chronic - to the point I'm on daily meds to try to keep them under control |
| 18:58.11 | Shirik | hm I can't find my notes right now :( |
| 18:58.58 | Dashkal | aww |
| 18:59.18 | Dashkal | Cairenn|afk: You have it worse then I do. Normally I get them weekly. High stress atm is making them much worse |
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| 19:01.03 | Cairenn|afk | thanks, but /shrug, I'm used to it by now |
| 19:02.19 | Lunessa | Cairenn|afk: I live with low-grade constant headaches. They spike into the "migraine" range now and again where I can't even sit up. But those are rare. |
| 19:02.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Migraines rock. |
| 19:02.35 | malreth | have you considered acupuncture? |
| 19:02.39 | Cairenn|afk | Lunessa: *hug* |
| 19:03.03 | Cairenn|afk | malreth: who? |
| 19:03.08 | Lunessa | malreth: Next time I'm in town your sweetie can stick me full of pins, but you can't take pictures. |
| 19:03.37 | malreth | my wife is a learning acupuncturist/herbalist |
| 19:03.44 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 19:03.49 | malreth | she's got a year to go before she gets her masters |
| 19:04.06 | kneeki | Yeah |
| 19:04.11 | kneeki | Why would you want to be a real doctor anyway? |
| 19:04.14 | kneeki | =P |
| 19:04.16 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa dear, have you checked allergies/humidity issues? And dental issues? |
| 19:04.18 | malreth | then, i guess i'll have to call her Master Wife |
| 19:04.24 | kneeki | Haha~! |
| 19:04.25 | Lunessa | She's actually pretty nice. So I'd let her stick me full of pins and see if it helps. |
| 19:04.34 | kneeki | Master Wife is awesome |
| 19:05.08 | Lunessa | Peppy, part of it is spinal. I have a spinal problem that leads to back-pain which leads to head pain which leads to... see? |
| 19:05.24 | malreth | she got rid of a killer headache of mine the other day |
| 19:06.09 | Shirik | oh haha |
| 19:06.14 | Shirik | Dashkal, sorry, I was looking at the wrong course |
| 19:06.17 | Shirik | I forget I have two DSP classes |
| 19:06.21 | Dashkal | heh |
| 19:06.52 | Dashkal | Just to be clear. Digital SOUND Processing or Digital SIGNAL Processing? (Or both?) |
| 19:07.04 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa -- I understand that, I have nerve damage that does fun times sometimes too. |
| 19:07.17 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, Master Wife rocks, and you're a lucky guy. |
| 19:07.21 | malreth | it's typically 'signal' |
| 19:07.31 | malreth | and it applies to anything that can be considered a signal |
| 19:07.34 | Dashkal | That's what I thought and so I'm asking :p |
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| 19:07.53 | Dashkal | I remember the DSP courses back in school covered image transforms and such |
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| 19:09.48 | Shirik | Here we go Dashkal |
| 19:09.59 | Shirik | this one's fun, full of summations, FIR types, pole-zero plots |
| 19:10.22 | malreth | ok... trying to play WoW while applying XP SP3 update to a VM is not a good idea... |
| 19:10.50 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. One or the other needs more attention, malreth. Three-somes do not work well, akshully |
| 19:11.03 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 19:11.26 | malreth | i can walk and chew gum at the same time |
| 19:11.44 | Cairenn|afk | Lopeppeppy: you need to get better partners if you think that .... |
| 19:11.57 | Drakhaon | how can I set a $parentName with CreateFrame()? |
| 19:12.14 | malreth | Cairenn|afk: you've been saying stuff lately that makes even me blush... anything on your mind? |
| 19:12.28 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 19:12.47 | Cairenn|afk | I haven't said anything that outrageous, gimme a break |
| 19:12.51 | Pneumatus | Drakhaon: frame:GetParent():GetName() probably |
| 19:13.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn|afk: if you read between the lines, things become apparent |
| 19:14.07 | Dashkal | Shirik: I'm going to be imediately lost, aren't I :p |
| 19:14.15 | Lopeppeppy | You guys haven't overheard any private conversations between the ladies, those are hotter! |
| 19:14.35 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: oh I *HAVE* |
| 19:14.49 | Wikwocket | Is there a way to tell if a buff on a raidmember was cast by me or not? |
| 19:14.58 | Lopeppeppy | Cide, I wasn't there, it wasn't good enough. :) |
| 19:15.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Wikwocket: with the new API I think there is, but don't quote me on that |
| 19:15.06 | Lopeppeppy | Wikwocket, not that I am aware of. |
| 19:15.22 | Wikwocket | Hmm I like ScytheBlade1's answer better :) |
| 19:15.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:15.55 | Wikwocket | I want to program a reminder for warriors to recast Vigilance if necessary |
| 19:16.21 | ScytheBlade1 | * UPDATED - name, rank, icon, count, debuffType, duration, expirationTime, isMine, isStealable = UnitDebuff("unit", [index] or ["name", "rank"]) |
| 19:16.22 | zenzelezz | Wikwocket: did you try checking the return values of UnitBuff or whatever, or see how the default UI unit frames does it? I think I heard something about an isMine return |
| 19:16.24 | ScytheBlade1 | "isMine" |
| 19:16.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 19:16.35 | kneeki | ^ |
| 19:16.35 | Wikwocket | Ahh |
| 19:16.45 | Lunessa | AFK - cake |
| 19:16.45 | Wikwocket | sounds promising |
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| 19:16.52 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043170854&sid=1#2 |
| 19:16.53 | kneeki | pie > cake |
| 19:16.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds easy too |
| 19:16.59 | ScytheBlade1 | And yes, pie > cake |
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| 19:17.03 | kneeki | whats this "Hows that coffe tasting brah!?" internet joke? |
| 19:17.21 | Drakhaon | will this work: myItem = getglobal(strObjectName) - and then use myItem as reference for the object I want to work with - like myItem:Hide() |
| 19:17.27 | Jelly-Class | I've decided that my sociology teacher is sexist |
| 19:17.33 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly-Class, that goes without saying. |
| 19:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: offered? |
| 19:17.37 | Shirik | Dashkal: http://li23-154.members.linode.com/mt19.pdf |
| 19:17.56 | Jelly-Class | Peppy: Not a day goes by that she doesn't sit up there, ragging on guys for whatever reason. |
| 19:17.58 | Kaelten | me too, looks like my bounce signed me off :( |
| 19:17.59 | Cairenn|afk | Lopeppeppy: I made you a standing offer some time back ... ;) |
| 19:18.07 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: of course no one offered, we want you all to ourselves |
| 19:18.12 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, Cairenn. *grin* |
| 19:18.14 | alestane | [3:14pm] • Lopeppeppy goes partner shopping. |
| 19:18.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Drakhaon: myItem = _G["myObjectName"] -- perferred syntax |
| 19:18.31 | Dashkal | hrm, not to bad. I can understand much of the notation, if not the handwriting :p |
| 19:19.17 | Cairenn|afk | bleh, I really don't wanna go out there |
| 19:19.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Then don't! |
| 19:19.28 | ScytheBlade1 | (Out where?) |
| 19:19.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah. |
| 19:20.38 | Dashkal | Still think you should move west, Cairenn|afk :p We have sun on this coast |
| 19:20.52 | Pneumatus | well, calling getglobal just returns _G[whatever] anyway :) |
| 19:20.54 | Drakhaon | hmm.. if addonA loads before addonB - addonA wont be able to call functions in addonB? |
| 19:21.04 | kneeki | Drakhaon: Nope |
| 19:21.15 | alestane | At one time, getglobal also did some setfenv stuff behind the scenes. |
| 19:21.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Pneumatus: yes, one is a function and one is a table lookup. Use the table lookup :) |
| 19:21.18 | Pneumatus | Drakhaon: thats what dependancies are for |
| 19:21.18 | Drakhaon | might explain why one of my addons cant use functions in the other |
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| 19:21.43 | Shirik | Dashkal: For the record, not my handwriting |
| 19:21.59 | Dashkal | Shirik: Heh, fair enough. It looks on par with mine, though |
| 19:22.20 | Drakhaon | Pneumatus > ## Dependancies: MSLibrary ? |
| 19:22.33 | Dashkal | The concepts are completely foreign (what a shock) but the math in there looks not to far above my head. |
| 19:23.09 | Pneumatus | Drakhaon: something like that, setting a dependancy should cause the dependant addon to load before yours |
| 19:23.17 | Drakhaon | ah |
| 19:23.43 | Dashkal | What happens when a dependency circle is formed? |
| 19:23.48 | Drakhaon | only thought it would prevent it to load if the required addon wasnt there |
| 19:24.19 | Wikwocket | Dashkal: An infinite loop is created and spacetime tears |
| 19:24.31 | zenzelezz | Chuck Norris dies |
| 19:24.34 | Dashkal | Sweet! Time to end the world |
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| 19:26.55 | Drakhaon | I better backup my porn then |
| 19:27.53 | Drakhaon | why wont this work: myItem = _G[strObjectName]; MSlogos[myItem] = CreateFrame("Frame", nil, myItem) |
| 19:28.05 | Drakhaon | oh.. wait - think I know |
| 19:28.09 | Lunessa | Peppy Sorry, I missed the (implied/inferred) offer because I was coding in another window. |
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| 19:30.04 | Lopeppeppy | That's okay, Lunessa. *hug* I was just surprised at the crickets. My ego is strong, I survived. |
| 19:30.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Drakhaon: MSlogos[strObjectName] = CreateFramee("Frame", nil, myItem) |
| 19:30.59 | Lopeppeppy | *purr* |
| 19:31.05 | ScytheBlade1 | s/ee/e |
| 19:31.06 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 19:31.08 | Drakhaon | ScytheBlade1 > yea I figured it out =) |
| 19:31.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't go playing with _G unless you need to. That isn't a situation in which you need to :) |
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| 19:35.39 | Drakhaon | ScytheBlade1 > only fetching items Ive created myself |
| 19:35.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Generally you shouldn't have to |
| 19:36.22 | ScytheBlade1 | If you're using the XML there *may* be cases but when using pure lua, there's almost zero reason to ever go into _G to find items you've already created |
| 19:36.35 | Drakhaon | even inbetween addons? |
| 19:36.51 | Drakhaon | I have an addon which calls for a function in addonB to create the logo :P |
| 19:37.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Between addons you may need to. |
| 19:37.26 | Drakhaon | =) |
| 19:37.36 | Drakhaon | I realized I have the logo in all frames in my addons |
| 19:37.38 | ScytheBlade1 | If you're creating both addon A and B then I'd rather provide a global which contains everything addon B needs |
| 19:37.51 | ScytheBlade1 | brb next class |
| 19:37.57 | Drakhaon | so now I made a global function for it |
| 19:38.16 | Drakhaon | is it possible to make local functions? like --> local function myAss() |
| 19:38.24 | Dewin | yes |
| 19:38.43 | Dewin | note that if you're severely overweight, myAss() will not remain local. |
| 19:38.57 | Drakhaon | hehe |
| 19:39.00 | Lunessa | myAss is a global baby. |
| 19:41.05 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 19:41.45 | Lunessa | Go go shiibot |
| 19:42.17 | Drakhaon | hmm.. should make my playerTradeSkills addon.. |
| 19:43.18 | Drakhaon | idea was : log all playernames you see - upload the list to an online engine thing - this engine parses through the list of collected names and gets their tradeskills off armory |
| 19:43.18 | Wikwocket | What's it do? |
| 19:43.37 | Drakhaon | I could then /find leatherworker |
| 19:43.41 | Drakhaon | and get a list of LWs.. |
| 19:43.54 | Drakhaon | and their skillpoint (according to last update) |
| 19:44.39 | Drakhaon | not sure how usable it would be tho :D |
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| 19:45.44 | Dewin | Why must configuring headsets be such a pain in the myAss()? |
| 19:45.47 | Drakhaon | btw - comment the logo for my addons: http://ms.citra.se :D |
| 19:45.59 | Drakhaon | Dewin > its a matter of space |
| 19:46.19 | Lunessa | Antiarc: You post new versions to SexyMap faster than I can play! |
| 19:46.29 | Antiarc | >_> |
| 19:46.48 | Dewin | Drakhaon: My system insists on making it really quiet, and for some reason my front panel audio jacks do not work at all. |
| 19:46.52 | Drakhaon | what is SexyMap? |
| 19:47.11 | Drakhaon | Dewin > are the front ones connected? |
| 19:47.12 | Lunessa | I was going to comment on a bug, but you've released TWO revs today... |
| 19:47.16 | Dewin | They *should* be... but meh |
| 19:47.19 | Cidan | Are there any date/time functions in the WoW API? |
| 19:47.25 | Drakhaon | Cide > yea |
| 19:47.25 | Cidan | I don't see any on WoWWiki |
| 19:47.31 | Dewin | Also, I can configure Ventrilo to recognize button 4 as the 'push to talk' button |
| 19:47.37 | Drakhaon | go to the WoW_API page and click LUA functions to the right |
| 19:47.37 | Dewin | but in test mode, it doesn't register. |
| 19:47.41 | Lunessa | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/sexymap.aspx |
| 19:47.43 | krka | Drakhaon: Do YOU write RANDOM words in UPPER case often? :) |
| 19:47.45 | Antiarc | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/sexymap.aspx <-- sexymap |
| 19:48.03 | Dewin | that is sexy. |
| 19:48.03 | Drakhaon | krka > I wrote it as its displayed on WoWWIKI =) |
| 19:48.06 | Cidan | Drakhaon: Thanks. |
| 19:48.22 | Dewin | especially if I can take care of my excess of minimap buttons. |
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| 19:48.58 | Drakhaon | Antiarc > that is very nice looking indeed |
| 19:49.47 | Shaone | Anyone know where I can find the code Blizzard uses to fade the chat window in and out on mouse over? |
| 19:50.04 | Dewin | most of the comments talk about a lack of profile support, is that in? :) |
| 19:50.04 | Antiarc | FloatingChatFrame.lua, I believe |
| 19:50.11 | Antiarc | It's in but not working |
| 19:50.13 | Antiarc | I'm working on it |
| 19:50.16 | Dewin | ahh |
| 19:50.18 | Shaone | Thanks Antiarc |
| 19:50.29 | Dewin | Last time I copied wtf folders I broke all of the bejeweled scores for the entire guild lol |
| 19:51.09 | cog|away | braiiinnsss.... |
| 19:51.13 | Antiarc | http://i36.tinypic.com/bgda4z.jpg <-- sexymap |
| 19:51.14 | Antiarc | (and my UI) |
| 19:51.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Sexymap is sexy |
| 19:51.35 | Dewin | How does one live with that few buttons? |
| 19:51.48 | Jelly-Class | ~agree |
| 19:51.49 | purl | hmm... agree is "<action> nods her head" |
| 19:51.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Does that adjust with the number of buttons attached to the minimap? |
| 19:51.54 | Jelly-Class | Dewin: keybind, probably |
| 19:52.05 | Dewin | Well I don't click mine either but I like to see them |
| 19:52.08 | Gnarfoz | somehow, purl is broken |
| 19:52.21 | Dewin | http://tinyurl.com/zombie1 my not yet perfected (and grid really shouldn't be there) ui ;) |
| 19:52.21 | Jelly-Class | ~botsnack |
| 19:52.21 | purl | Jelly-Class: :) |
| 19:52.27 | Gnarfoz | keeps doing literal instead of actual actions/replies |
| 19:52.33 | Antiarc | Dewin: Keybinds |
| 19:52.48 | Antiarc | http://i37.tinypic.com/2w3tiqh.jpg <-- in combat |
| 19:52.59 | Antiarc | Note the cooldown timer above the action bars when I have cooldowns on cooldown |
| 19:53.10 | Dewin | that's nice |
| 19:53.11 | Antiarc | That replaces any keybound action button that otherwise would just be a imer |
| 19:53.15 | Gnarfoz | you're hiding the minimap on combat? |
| 19:53.25 | Dewin | Right now I want a "kill command usable" timer |
| 19:53.30 | Dewin | or a sound when it's up |
| 19:53.37 | Jelly-Class | Antiarc: What's the name of that cooldown mod? |
| 19:53.46 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I'd like to know *that* too |
| 19:53.49 | Antiarc | Forte_Cooldown |
| 19:53.52 | Gnarfoz | >_> |
| 19:53.53 | Dewin | How did you get Omen and Recount to show so nicely? |
| 19:53.55 | Antiarc | It's logarithmic |
| 19:54.01 | Antiarc | Dewin: kgPanels behind them |
| 19:54.02 | Gnarfoz | I was going to say "looks like forte warlock, but you're a rogue" ;D |
| 19:54.06 | Drakhaon | Dewin > just make an update timer and check if its avaible? =) |
| 19:54.17 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: btw: Omen3 needs an option to simply *not* show a title bar. :P |
| 19:55.02 | Antiarc | I'm packaging my whole UI up |
| 19:55.05 | Antiarc | Never done this before |
| 19:55.08 | Xinhuan | i'm working on it |
| 19:55.09 | Antiarc | But I had a bunch of people ask for it |
| 19:55.16 | Dewin | What I wouldn't mind doing |
| 19:55.17 | Antiarc | I just finished writing the install script >_> |
| 19:55.18 | Lunessa | I'm totally going to have to rework my UI because of SexyMap... http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/WoW%20Interface%20Gallery/Unkle-UI-2008-10-25.jpg |
| 19:55.34 | Dewin | Is allocating a side of my screen entirely to Omen/recount/questlog/achievement tracker |
| 19:55.44 | Dewin | To the extent of resizing the worldframe to not include it |
| 19:56.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: does SexyMap adjust to additional buttons attached to the minimap? (assuming they are 'properly' attached of course) |
| 19:56.07 | Antiarc | Yup |
| 19:56.13 | Syzgyn | Lunessa: Buffs along the bottom? interesting idea |
| 19:56.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That's hot |
| 19:56.15 | ScytheBlade1 | That's... .. sexy |
| 19:56.20 | Dewin | and then have all of them anchored to each other, so if my quest log shrinks everything below it |
| 19:56.29 | Antiarc | Anything attached to the minimap gets its OnDragStart and OnDragStop hijacked, and gets options for show/show on hover/hide |
| 19:56.42 | Dashkal | Really behind on something: Is it possible for a buff addon to clear buffs on right-click atm? |
| 19:56.42 | Lunessa | Yeah, the problem with buffs on the bottom has been that debuffs don't visually balance. |
| 19:56.59 | Syzgyn | Yes |
| 19:57.01 | Lunessa | Dashkal: Yes, SBF does itr nicely. |
| 19:57.04 | Antiarc | I need a good place to post a UI compiliation |
| 19:57.10 | ScytheBlade1 | That's really quite sexy |
| 19:57.18 | Dewin | Dashkal: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CancelPlayerBuff |
| 19:57.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Any place to download currently? |
| 19:57.29 | Antiarc | I don't have it uploaded yet |
| 19:57.31 | Dashkal | Dewin: for a few builds that was protected with no way around it |
| 19:57.35 | Arrowmaster | holy shit |
| 19:57.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough |
| 19:57.38 | Arrowmaster | i have fallout3 |
| 19:57.45 | ScytheBlade1 | When you call it good.. that'd be awesome <3 |
| 19:57.48 | Dewin | oh. There's a note about that in 3.0 being protected |
| 19:57.51 | Antiarc | Oh, SexyMap you mean? |
| 19:57.53 | Antiarc | It's on Curse |
| 19:57.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 19:57.54 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: Not at the moment. You want a d/l of it, hit me up tomorrow. |
| 19:57.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah k |
| 19:57.56 | Antiarc | Well, wowace |
| 19:57.57 | Arrowmaster | i was not expecting to get it this fast from ebgames when i picked the cheapest shipping available |
| 19:57.59 | Antiarc | But Curse by extension |
| 19:58.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Right |
| 19:58.13 | zenzelezz | Dewin: I think it was unprotected again |
| 19:58.24 | Dewin | Someone should test and update the wiki page then :) |
| 19:58.28 | Dashkal | Weather it's unprotected or if secure frames were given a way around it I don't much care (no desire to make a buff addon) I just want to move my damn buffs without losing the ability to right-click off of my mount |
| 19:58.42 | Lunessa | I totally stole most of my pitbull layout from Caith. I'm too lazy to do it all from scratch. |
| 19:58.55 | Dewin | I don't cancel my mount by rightclicking, heh |
| 19:58.58 | Dewin | I just hit the mount macro again |
| 19:59.06 | Dewin | or hunter's mark or call pet |
| 19:59.27 | Dashkal | Dewin: play a death knight. Without macroing you have to hit a combat action to get off (clicking the mount again just mounts you again, despite being on it) |
| 19:59.43 | Dewin | Seriously? I'd consider that a bug. |
| 20:00.04 | Dashkal | It is, but low priority. Wasn't fixed before 3.0 hit live. Maybe fixed since then |
| 20:00.09 | Dewin | Since I can recast my mount to cancel it at any time. |
| 20:00.27 | Dashkal | It can be worked around in plenty of ways, I just prefer right-clicking the buff |
| 20:00.29 | Gnarfoz | /dismount ftw |
| 20:00.36 | Dashkal | That would be one of the ways, yes :p |
| 20:00.54 | Dewin | can't you: /cast [nomounted] .... mount /dismount [mounted] |
| 20:00.56 | Dewin | or something like that? |
| 20:01.07 | Dashkal | 'sides, that isn't the only buff I find myself wanting to cancel. Nuking a gift of the wild with 3 minutes left so I can overwrite it with my own (weaker) one, for example |
| 20:01.08 | Gnarfoz | yes |
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| 20:02.04 | Dashkal | Or lolmisdirect when a guildie is being a dick |
| 20:02.12 | Dewin | hmm. |
| 20:02.21 | Dewin | you can /cancelform and /cancelaura but not /cancelbuff |
| 20:02.42 | Lopeppeppy | I am cold! Cold cold cold. |
| 20:02.51 | Gnarfoz | Dewin: /cancelaura |
| 20:03.14 | Jelly-Class | ~hug Peppy |
| 20:03.15 | purl | ACTION jumps into Peppy's lap and huggles and *hugs* Peppy |
| 20:04.06 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. *snuggles* Someone just make it stop snowing on me and Cairenn! |
| 20:04.10 | krka | anyone know if the shortcuts from IF to wetlands still works? |
| 20:04.38 | Lopeppeppy | What do you mean by shortcuts, krka? |
| 20:04.55 | Lopeppeppy | The tunnel from wetlands to Loch Modan is still there, if that's what you mean. |
| 20:05.12 | krka | i mean some crazy jump down |
| 20:05.21 | Dewin | oh, the wetlands farm? |
| 20:05.31 | Lopeppeppy | No clue. They disabled wall walking a long time back, so I would guess no. |
| 20:05.34 | krka | dunno, never actually used it :) |
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| 20:05.50 | Dewin | and wowmapviewer is broken /sigh |
| 20:06.33 | Lunessa | The Airstrip is over-rated. But I was still able to get up there about 6 months ago. |
| 20:07.10 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. |
| 20:07.39 | Dewin | The other place I want to get to is West Dun Morogh |
| 20:07.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Can't you just walk there? |
| 20:07.59 | ScytheBlade1 | No tricks involved? |
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| 20:08.05 | Dewin | requires an epic mount and some jumping |
| 20:08.22 | Dewin | and... ideally, a healer to fix you when you miss the jumps |
| 20:08.33 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:08.35 | Dewin | it's the empty area where gnomergan is on the map |
| 20:08.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 20:09.02 | Dewin | I'm happy that Newman's Landing is still there even after adding the harbor |
| 20:09.24 | Dewin | and the trip there no longer takes 15 minutes |
| 20:10.10 | Dewin | I still think they should have made it required for the explore Eastern Kingdoms achievement. |
| 20:12.05 | Dashkal | I went and hit the beach off of eastern arathi before I realized they meant the cove west of the bridges... |
| 20:13.45 | Dewin | wow, for being a $30 headset, this isn't too bad on the sound quality. |
| 20:13.59 | Dewin | My only complaint thusfar is it's not USB |
| 20:14.35 | Dewin | meaning I can't put WoW on the speakers and vent on the headset >.> |
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| 20:22.17 | syth | Huggie v1.1 needs to be moved out of the WOLK Beta into Miscellaneous (and yeah, it works fine in 3.0.2 live) |
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| 20:23.34 | Drakhaon | whats the best method to change the way the guildchat appear - trigger the guild chat event or hook the chatframe? |
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| 20:26.34 | NightHawkTheSane | if you want to -change- how guild chat appears in the chat window? you might look how chat mods do it, but probably hooking some method on the chat frame. |
| 20:27.41 | Lopeppeppy | I'm packing up to go buy a snow shovel so I can have fun tomorrow morning. See yas later on. |
| 20:28.24 | Lunessa | bye peppy |
| 20:28.39 | Lunessa | Guild name I just read about " <AFK Dog Caught on Fire>" |
| 20:28.42 | Drakhaon | NightHawkTheSane > Ive done it before - first I used hooking of the chatframe but some members got double messages :P guess some other addon collided with mine |
| 20:29.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh |
| 20:29.10 | NightHawkTheSane | alliance fucks stealing my tags |
| 20:29.10 | Drakhaon | and then I went for the guild chat event - just not sure which is most efficient |
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| 20:42.56 | malreth | -_- |
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| 20:43.59 | Lunessa | In the beginning the Heavens and the Earth were created. Then we all went to play WoW. |
| 20:48.05 | NightHawkTheSane | WOO, used a scroll of recall at LHC, ended up in the lordaeron throne room. excellent |
| 20:49.04 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: I'm actually a little disappointed in how few spots the low level SoR can take you to :( |
| 20:49.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: are there that few? i only know of the few i've done or heard about |
| 20:49.57 | Esamynn | I've only managed to hit about 6 |
| 20:50.26 | NightHawkTheSane | out of curiosity, what were they? |
| 20:50.43 | |Jelly| | So ... is the "A Mask for All Occasions" going to be removed before the event is over? lol |
| 20:51.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It won't be removed |
| 20:51.11 | NightHawkTheSane | the achievement will remain, but be removed from the meta in the next patch |
| 20:51.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll just be removed from the meta-requiement |
| 20:51.18 | ScytheBlade1 | *requirement |
| 20:51.19 | NightHawkTheSane | that patch will most likely NOT be before the event ends. |
| 20:51.25 | |Jelly| | Interesting. |
| 20:51.40 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: Gadgetzan, Kharanos Inn, Goldshire Inn, Auderdine, outside Booty Bay, Theramore |
| 20:51.40 | NightHawkTheSane | if you have everything else, you'll earn the meta when that patch hits |
| 20:51.40 | |Jelly| | So will there be a point in getting everything else? Will the title come through after the patch? |
| 20:51.47 | |Jelly| | kk |
| 20:53.16 | |Jelly| | By the way, I voted! I DID MAH CIVIC DUTY AND STUFF! Too bad I live in Texas where my vote (at least for president) really doesn't make much of a difference. |
| 20:53.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: hmm. It's probably faction specific. I've only seen, BB, Lordaeron, several hundred feet in the air on the SoS coast and somewhere in stonetalon |
| 20:53.37 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: you got put up in the air? |
| 20:53.42 | Lunessa | Oh |Jelly| of course it counts. Texas is a big block of votes. |
| 20:53.43 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: that you voted is the important part :) |
| 20:53.44 | Esamynn | I haven't experienced that yet |
| 20:53.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: not me personally, but a friend did. |
| 20:54.07 | Esamynn | SoS coast? |
| 20:54.13 | NightHawkTheSane | he literally spawned up in the air on the north east corner of SoS, on the coast. if he wasn't a pally, he'd have died :p |
| 20:54.24 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: November? |
| 20:54.48 | Lunessa | yeah, I think. Depends on how smoothly the move goes. |
| 20:54.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: Swamp of Sorrows |
| 20:54.58 | Esamynn | ahh yes |
| 20:55.23 | |Jelly| | How long would you be chilling here or would it be just an afternoon visit or something? |
| 20:56.15 | Dashkal | Ok, do the invasion followup things actually work yet? |
| 20:56.22 | Lunessa | Depends on the weekend, and how much free time I have. It's a 4+ hour drive, so in any case it's an over-night trip. |
| 20:56.28 | Dashkal | Cause I found the guy I was supposed to talk to and he just sells me stuff, no gossip |
| 20:56.29 | NightHawkTheSane | followup things? |
| 20:56.41 | Dashkal | I got three sealed research reports and was asked to go talk to people |
| 20:56.54 | |Jelly| | Well, warn me and I'll get the days off for moar sexy teim. |
| 20:57.05 | Lunessa | RAWR! |
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| 21:01.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i need to learn not to code drunk and tired. i really have no idea what i was trying to do last night |
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| 21:01.57 | malreth | Lunessa: what's up? |
| 21:02.32 | Lunessa | malreth: discussing a road-trip to Dallas. |
| 21:04.13 | bleeter | raaar raaar rant rant rant rage rage rant |
| 21:04.34 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I always code drun/tired. It's the only way to go. |
| 21:04.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i suppose if you -always- do it, it -always- makes sense ;) |
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| 21:32.28 | Remaxer|PT | i had it....i decided to make my custom UI |
| 21:32.38 | Remaxer|PT | now i need a little help with a script |
| 21:33.00 | Remaxer|PT | i use kgpanels. |
| 21:33.08 | Remaxer|PT | now i made a panal for my Editbox |
| 21:33.29 | Remaxer|PT | i wanted to script the panel to apear only when the edit box is up |
| 21:33.36 | Remaxer|PT | is that possoble? |
| 21:33.40 | Remaxer|PT | possible |
| 21:36.44 | Antiarc | Parent it to the edit box |
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| 21:37.32 | Remaxer|PT | Whats the name i should give to parent it? |
| 21:37.55 | Antiarc | Whatever the name of the editbox is |
| 21:38.01 | Dewin1 | ... |
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| 21:38.06 | Dewin1 | why is freenode randomly D/Cing me |
| 21:38.16 | NightHawkTheSane | because you insulted its mother |
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| 21:43.03 | Remaxer|PT | lol |
| 21:43.03 | Lunessa | netsplits are the interwebs way of punishing you for touching yourself at night. |
| 21:43.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ... how does it KNOW.. oh, wait.. |
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| 21:45.26 | kneeki | Hmm |
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| 21:45.49 | kneeki | Anyone know where I could find all the forums avatars WoW uses? |
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| 21:47.04 | Kaso | kneeki, http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Forum_avatars ? |
| 21:47.13 | Syz | Randomly kicked from IRC :V |
| 21:47.44 | kneeki | Kaso: Nice! |
| 21:49.33 | Kaso | wowwiki has a category for everything ;p |
| 21:51.39 | kneeki | d'oh |
| 21:51.44 | kneeki | I need a much faster way of saving all those |
| 21:51.47 | kneeki | -_- |
| 21:51.59 | Kaso | wget is the solution |
| 21:52.10 | kneeki | Not on 'nix |
| 21:52.23 | kneeki | ... nvm |
| 21:52.27 | kneeki | windows version =) |
| 21:52.56 | Lunessa | mget |
| 21:54.34 | Kaso | doing a wget on "http://www.wowwiki.com/Gallery_of_player_avatars" should get you them all |
| 21:54.41 | Kaso | the player ones i assume |
| 21:54.51 | Remaxer|PT | ok can someone tell me why i creat new panels in kgpanels but they wont show up? |
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| 21:55.11 | Kaso | mget Lunessa ? as in ftp? |
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| 21:55.23 | Lunessa | si |
| 21:58.46 | kneeki | Heh. I have wget installed, but i'm unsure how to use it. *bonk* |
| 21:58.55 | kneeki | gg me I suppose |
| 21:58.56 | Kaso | open up a command line |
| 21:59.04 | kneeki | did |
| 21:59.07 | NightHawkTheSane | google `man wget` |
| 21:59.27 | Kaso | did you install it to your path or just got the executable dumped in some directory? |
| 21:59.28 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. I can't SetScript on a fontstring, can i. |
| 21:59.31 | kneeki | a wget returns ''wget' is not recognized as an internal or external command, |
| 21:59.32 | kneeki | operable program or batch file.' |
| 21:59.37 | NightHawkTheSane | wget is not in your path |
| 21:59.47 | NightHawkTheSane | you either need to put it in your path, or specify an absolutep ath |
| 21:59.52 | kneeki | I downloaded the setup file |
| 21:59.56 | kneeki | oh, i see |
| 22:01.13 | Kaso | i tell you what, ill download the avatars and zip em up if you like. |
| 22:01.30 | kneeki | That would be great, but I'd really like to know how to do it myself |
| 22:01.58 | kneeki | I'm confused about what was installed, if I cannot just run wget from the CMD line in any directory I want |
| 22:02.09 | Cide | if you have windows I don't know why you want to use wget |
| 22:02.21 | kneeki | That's what was recommended |
| 22:02.24 | Kaso | because i suggested it, perhaps poorly |
| 22:02.30 | Kaso | im not sure what installer you used though |
| 22:02.53 | kneeki | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/wget.htm |
| 22:02.59 | kneeki | under download: Setup Program |
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| 22:05.58 | kneeki | Cide: Do you recommend a windows version by chance? |
| 22:06.04 | Cide | nope |
| 22:06.38 | Kaso | Im downloading the images for you now, when its done ill zip and upload |
| 22:06.57 | kneeki | woo |
| 22:07.04 | kneeki | I may have figured it out =) |
| 22:07.24 | Remaxer|PT | ok kgpanels died on me |
| 22:07.29 | Kaso | "wget -r -A gif http://www.wowwiki.com/Gallery_of_player_avatars" |
| 22:07.35 | Kaso | is the command you want to use if you've got it |
| 22:08.08 | kneeki | running... |
| 22:08.35 | kneeki | Everything is scrolling pretty fast, but it looks like it may be working |
| 22:08.39 | kneeki | :D |
| 22:09.27 | Gnarfoz | you execute commands random people from irc tell you? |
| 22:09.31 | Gnarfoz | brave :> |
| 22:09.34 | kneeki | all the time ;) |
| 22:09.35 | Kaso | lol |
| 22:09.42 | kneeki | I knew what wget did =p |
| 22:09.48 | kneeki | I just didn't know exactly how to use it |
| 22:09.58 | kneeki | Besides, I'm on a windows pc! What's the worst that could happen!? |
| 22:10.04 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.17 | Lunessa | cide is a *nix guy. He doesn't ever reccomend Windows. :P |
| 22:11.18 | Gnarfoz | rm -rf, obviously |
| 22:11.34 | kneeki | lol |
| 22:11.43 | Cide | lol |
| 22:11.57 | Kaso | :(){ :|:& };: |
| 22:11.58 | kd3 | damn it |
| 22:12.08 | kd3 | my modem died in kara, forgot to loot the item in the new guy's room |
| 22:12.18 | kd3 | zoned back in now that my net's back and the door's locked |
| 22:12.19 | kd3 | >.< |
| 22:12.32 | Lunessa | ... dial up? |
| 22:12.41 | Gnarfoz | probably not |
| 22:12.51 | Gnarfoz | Kaso: pff reboot |
| 22:13.00 | Kaso | heh |
| 22:13.26 | Kaso | but people dont know what it does so much |
| 22:14.12 | Dashkal | Has anybody else been getting strange UI placement issues under linux since 3.0? |
| 22:14.22 | kd3 | ...no? |
| 22:14.31 | Dashkal | Background layer things keep jumping a few pixels to the right |
| 22:14.47 | Gnarfoz | Kaso: fork bomb right/ |
| 22:14.50 | Kaso | yah |
| 22:14.50 | Dashkal | not background as in the strata, but as in panel backgrounds |
| 22:14.51 | Lunessa | Oh sweet monkey jebus - 2008 BlizCon mount, I gots it. :) |
| 22:15.05 | Gnarfoz | f yer |
| 22:15.36 | Gnarfoz | and yer bloody ton of stuff blizzcon attendees got, compared to the wwi goodie bag ;X |
| 22:16.00 | Dashkal | It's been pretty consistent. I'm unable to find a cause. Completely vanilla UI |
| 22:16.54 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: I had to beg for a mount from someone. They came trough. |
| 22:17.12 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: someone *gave* you that mount? |
| 22:17.20 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 22:17.36 | Gnarfoz | there's mad people who'd kill for it :X |
| 22:17.51 | Gnarfoz | and half-sane people who're paying quite a sum of real money for it, too |
| 22:18.19 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: :( |
| 22:18.44 | Lunessa | I got lucky. |
| 22:19.17 | bleeter | bbBBBBRRAAAAIIINNNZZZZ |
| 22:20.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: /hate :p |
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| 22:20.11 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 22:20.32 | Shirik | o.o |
| 22:20.37 | |Jelly| | "You ever suck some dick for a polar bear?" "Well, Lunessa has." |
| 22:20.38 | Shirik | damn Lunessa |
| 22:20.53 | Shirik | ... |
| 22:20.56 | Shirik | wtf did I join in to |
| 22:21.03 | Dashkal | long as it's 'for' and not 'of' |
| 22:21.07 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: I never thought I'd say this, but you have done smoked yourself retarded. |
| 22:21.19 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: I don't smoke. <3 |
| 22:21.26 | Lunessa | Jelly, same movie. |
| 22:21.35 | Shirik | oh we're talking about the bear mount? |
| 22:21.36 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: I know. |
| 22:21.37 | Shirik | I has bear mount too!! |
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| 22:21.48 | |Jelly| | ~failrik |
| 22:21.48 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 22:21.53 | NightHawkTheSane | except you didn't suck dick for it, like Lunessa *nod* :p |
| 22:22.01 | |Jelly| | exactly |
| 22:22.03 | Shirik | ... |
| 22:22.04 | Lunessa | I didn't have to. :P |
| 22:22.18 | NightHawkTheSane | well, unless you did, Shirik.. *shrug* i dont know what you did at blizzcon i guess ;) |
| 22:22.27 | |Jelly| | We're all friends here; you can admit the lengths you had to go to. |
| 22:22.29 | Shirik | no comment |
| 22:23.27 | kneeki | hmm |
| 22:23.40 | kneeki | wget did not seem to work. All the images it downloaded are corrupt |
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| 22:24.10 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: You'd think since you keep asking me for sexy teim that you'd want me to have fellated someone for the mount. |
| 22:24.26 | |Jelly| | It ain't ghey if you're receiving. |
| 22:25.03 | bleeter | I wonder if I could convince the devs to put a Brick Wall into the game that I can bash my head against |
| 22:25.28 | |Jelly| | Only after they implement the [I am Legend] achievement. |
| 22:25.30 | Lunessa | bleeter: SecureHandlers and Protected Functions aren't enough for you? |
| 22:25.40 | Dashkal | take a brick texture, make a panel that spans full screen at the hightest strats, bind it to alt, profit |
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| 22:25.51 | malreth | Man... these nuts taste like ass |
| 22:25.57 | bleeter | um |
| 22:26.02 | Dashkal | I.. don't want to know how you know that |
| 22:26.03 | bleeter | nah, I won't go there malreth |
| 22:26.39 | malreth | my in-laws brought back these nuts from taiwan... they taste awful |
| 22:26.46 | malreth | why am i still eating them |
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| 22:27.50 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: ... someone needs to put that in a sig. |
| 22:28.10 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: the bit about the nutty ass, or about eating one's in-laws? |
| 22:28.24 | Shirik | Design question: I have a configuration file in Lua. I want to provide the ability to register for various events that might occur (much like WoW). I have "event objects" though to make it easier to broadcast those events. So I might have MyEventObject:broadcast() or MyEventObject:AddScript(function() ... end) |
| 22:28.40 | Shirik | Now, where should these events be stored? As globals? So like OnConnect:AddScript(function() ... end ) |
| 22:28.54 | Shirik | or should there be a common place like EVENTS.OnConnect:AddScript... |
| 22:29.10 | Lunessa | Shirik: Modular design says in a common place. |
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| 22:29.28 | Shirik | I agree |
| 22:29.36 | Shirik | but some might argue that's a lot to type |
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| 22:32.53 | Lunessa | lazy programmers should l2nblazy |
| 22:33.34 | NightHawkTheSane | descriptive names & proper namespacing/organization is more important than saving some lazy coder a half dozen keystrokes |
| 22:40.30 | Sixen | ~summon scytheblade1 |
| 22:40.30 | purl | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing scytheblade1's coordinates |
| 22:40.57 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 22:44.26 | Dewin | apt is a telemarketer? I thought apt was advanced packaging tool |
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| 22:45.18 | Amarande | Evening :) |
| 22:45.29 | Amarande | Cairenn, what prompted that latter part of the topic? LOL |
| 22:45.37 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 22:45.58 | Shirik | hehe |
| 22:46.04 | Cairenn | was part of a RCAF (or THH22M, can't recall which) skit |
| 22:46.05 | Shirik | now here's a confusing line |
| 22:46.15 | Shirik | local fn; fn, self._scripts[uid] = self._scripts[uid], nil; |
| 22:47.15 | Amarande | No patch?? |
| 22:47.38 | Shirik | I'll patch your face |
| 22:48.06 | Shirik | but that's what I was hearing earlier, no patch |
| 22:48.09 | Shirik | I never logged in myself |
| 22:48.16 | Cairenn | no patch |
| 22:48.24 | Cairenn | I was logged in a few minutes ago |
| 22:48.30 | Shirik | !!!!11 |
| 22:48.33 | Shirik | Cairenn logged in? |
| 22:48.43 | Cairenn | shhh, don't tell anyone |
| 22:49.03 | Amarande | you all need to play Quel'dorei Horde :S |
| 22:49.11 | Shirik | you need to play Drenden horde |
| 22:49.47 | Amarande | Shirik: that normal or pvp? |
| 22:49.56 | Shirik | normal, much to my dismay |
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| 22:50.58 | Lunessa | That shalt use thy Blackberry after carnal knowledge to Twitter-brag to thine friends. |
| 22:52.00 | Cairenn | Lunessa: rofl |
| 22:52.32 | Lunessa | I mean, isn't that the whole point of internet over cellular and Twitter? |
| 22:55.49 | malreth | i twittered from my wedding |
| 22:57.30 | Amarande | Shirik: normal is a good thing |
| 22:57.59 | Dewin | normalcy is overrated |
| 22:58.12 | Shirik | I miss my pvp server tbh, Amarande |
| 22:58.21 | Amarande | Shirik: you miss being ganked? |
| 22:58.25 | Shirik | being able to kill people that jump around all "lolol I take your mob" |
| 22:58.47 | Amarande | hmm, I never really run into those kind on QD |
| 22:58.52 | malreth | it's only worth it if you could kill your own faction |
| 22:58.59 | Shirik | Amarande: you're lucky |
| 22:59.07 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: transfer back? :P |
| 22:59.14 | Shirik | I never transferred off |
| 22:59.15 | Amarande | I do like to ninja ore nodes from members of the top alliance guild on that server though :) |
| 22:59.35 | Gnarfoz | how do you miss your pvp server then if you weren't there at some point |
| 22:59.39 | Amarande | malreth: hang out in the Gurubashi Arena! :) |
| 23:00.14 | malreth | that only works if you could get said idiot into the arena |
| 23:00.22 | malreth | that's what i loved about the zombie event |
| 23:00.33 | malreth | eating the brats |
| 23:00.50 | malreth | then resurrecting and then blasting them with fire |
| 23:00.55 | Amarande | heh, I died the other day in gurubashi |
| 23:01.04 | Amarande | thought I could snag the chest unopposed while everyone was busy with zombies |
| 23:01.11 | Amarande | well ... there were two others there. :| |
| 23:01.34 | Amarande | I suppose the rogue was probably stealthed, I have NO idea where the other shaman came from |
| 23:01.45 | Amarande | I think the other shaman hanging around was the one who got the box |
| 23:02.03 | Amarande | rogue ganks me, shaman ganks rogue, shaman gets box |
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| 23:04.59 | Amarande | Enh shaman apparently > rogue |
| 23:05.14 | Gnarfoz | that's nothing new |
| 23:05.38 | Amarande | maybe I should respec my shaman enh soon |
| 23:05.49 | Amarande | btw, is it possible to make up for lack of resilience with additional dps? :) |
| 23:06.33 | Gnarfoz | nope |
| 23:06.53 | Dashkal | not really. The amount of DPS increase you'd need to make up for your near zero survival time approaches infinite |
| 23:07.21 | NightHawkTheSane | let's rephrase that question "how much dps would i need to make it so the infinitely small time i spend alive is worth something" :P |
| 23:07.32 | NightHawkTheSane | now, you should see how silly it sounds ;) |
| 23:07.59 | Amarande | yeah, it started to seem silly that even T6 would beat S4 |
| 23:08.11 | Amarande | on the other hand, T6 vs. S2 ... would probably be a much more debatable matchup |
| 23:08.21 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* really, there should be no comparison |
| 23:08.39 | Amarande | of course, in each of those cases |
| 23:08.46 | Amarande | I'd probably bet on the S4 team vs. T6, but the T6 team vs. S2 |
| 23:08.56 | Amarande | simply because the S4 team obviously has skill, or they wouldn't have their gear |
| 23:09.16 | NightHawkTheSane | no, I'm saying comparing pve gear to pvp gear is flawed. |
| 23:09.34 | Shirik | heh |
| 23:09.40 | Amarande | statistically, on the other hand, the S2 team probably honorfarmed their gear and may not have the slightest iota of pvp skill, while the T6 team at least knows something about mobility and strategy in fights :) |
| 23:09.49 | Shirik | It's bad when you make a change to code and immediately go to test it by typing /console reloadui |
| 23:09.53 | Shirik | only to realize you're not in WoW |
| 23:09.55 | Drakhaon | is there a "swift" way to make a reference texture to a unit portrait? |
| 23:10.07 | Amarande | Shirik: you're addicted to WoW |
| 23:10.08 | Drakhaon | say I wanna put their portrait in a frame |
| 23:10.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: heh, indeed :) |
| 23:10.28 | NightHawkTheSane | I was actually doing PHP the other day, and kept writing "if( something ) then", and forgetting semicolons >< |
| 23:10.50 | Amarande | I'm tempted to make a 69's twink one of these ages |
| 23:11.05 | Amarande | that way, I get all the super fun happy power goodness that is BC PvP |
| 23:11.10 | Amarande | without needing to go into the whole resilience thing :) |
| 23:11.36 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: I've actually found how difficult it is to integrate Lua into a C++ program |
| 23:11.44 | Shirik | not because the API is difficult |
| 23:11.54 | Shirik | but because I keep doing things like using Lua in C++ or C++ in Lua |
| 23:12.02 | Shirik | because of the constant switching back and forth |
| 23:14.11 | Dashkal | BC PvP sans resi is basically who can one-shot the other first... |
| 23:14.18 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/tor/881177993.html |
| 23:14.28 | Fisker- | i'm so destroying you |
| 23:14.40 | End | screw you Garon Hutchins! |
| 23:14.49 | End | I don't want your bread! |
| 23:14.49 | Amarande | Dashkal: PoMPyro? :) |
| 23:14.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: thats more or less the same as pvp pre-bc :P |
| 23:15.03 | Dashkal | Or pounce, shred, shred :p |
| 23:15.11 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Pretty much yes :p |
| 23:15.22 | Amarande | that's pretty much the way wow pvp should have remained, heh |
| 23:15.25 | NightHawkTheSane | which, it should be obvious, is why resilience exists |
| 23:15.27 | Amarande | WoW was designed from the ground up as a PvE game |
| 23:15.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: no, that's stupid. |
| 23:15.50 | Dashkal | Being one-shot SUCKS. One-shotting someone is a victory with no thrill of the fight. Fail Fail |
| 23:16.05 | Amarande | well, yeah, being one-shot does not make pvp servers seem appetizing |
| 23:16.16 | Amarande | it's one of the reasons I don't play on them |
| 23:16.24 | Amarande | I have this impression basically that PvP server levelup involves |
| 23:16.29 | Amarande | 1) grind the most remote area you can find for your level |
| 23:16.30 | Dashkal | Amazing how many people I run across in AV with no resi gear... |
| 23:16.34 | Sixen | Rofl! sbo, just read that... |
| 23:16.41 | Amarande | 2) at 70, stick solely to cities until you have at least full s2 |
| 23:16.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: i do it all the time |
| 23:16.45 | Amarande | then you can think of doing dailies etc. |
| 23:16.49 | Dashkal | It literally goes pounce, mangle, shred, and he's down |
| 23:16.58 | Amarande | do I have that routine down right? |
| 23:16.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: I don't waste my time getting pvp gear when all I do is the least pvp i can to get what i absolutely need |
| 23:17.07 | Dashkal | sometimes I tigers fury and shred a second time! |
| 23:17.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: no, once again, you're just being extremist and reactionary :p |
| 23:17.20 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: you wouldn't be alive for very long around me :p |
| 23:17.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: kinda creepy! |
| 23:17.30 | Sixen | I lol'd hard. |
| 23:17.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: and I wouldn't expect to be. :) I don't do it to win, or succeed, just to survive long enough to get what i need :) |
| 23:17.44 | Dashkal | Amarande: It is perfectly possible to level in public on a PvP server. Gankers aren't really _that_c ommon |
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| 23:17.50 | Shirik | yay |
| 23:18.10 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: you aren't gaining HKs while staring at the 30s countdown :p At least put on the blue reputation pieces |
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| 23:18.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: I almost rarely do it for HKs, the only time i ever have is for the GNERDS achievement, which is trivial. :P Typically i pvp for marks to get something like a tabard/mount/whatever |
| 23:19.30 | Dashkal | Amarande: Contrary to popular belief, even on PvP servers the opposing faction isn't always looking for a fight. Often times they just want to get their quests done or farm their nodes. |
| 23:19.37 | NightHawkTheSane | that said, you'd be surprised how easy it is to stay alive when all you do is stick with a croud, and heal. |
| 23:19.50 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I look for green or white glowing hands :p |
| 23:19.55 | Fisker- | nooooo |
| 23:20.01 | Dashkal | I find healers tend to be pretty squishy in battlegrounds |
| 23:20.18 | Shirik | Dashkal :( |
| 23:20.24 | Shirik | I'll squish you |
| 23:20.35 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i certainly don't stand up long to a dedicated pvper. but 75% of the scrubs in bgs aren't nearly that good, or well geared |
| 23:20.44 | Dashkal | Shirik: Probably. I'm sitting around 115 resi. In a BG that's godly. In the arena... well, I don't talk about arena :p |
| 23:20.54 | Shirik | 360 >.> |
| 23:21.00 | Shirik | but my regen is horrible in pvp gear |
| 23:21.07 | Shirik | so often times I go into BGs with my raid gear |
| 23:21.08 | Amarande | probably about 90% of BG players are in it just to farm some honor and marks for a few extra pieces of gear |
| 23:21.10 | Shirik | and I do reasonably well |
| 23:21.22 | Lunessa | When I last played on a PvP server it was pre-honor system and pre-battlegrounds. Level 60 was the cap, and Molten Core was the sum-total of end-game. Basically World PvP was all there was to do. Ganking was the sport of choice for both factions. |
| 23:21.26 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Um, did you just imply that I'm a dedicated PvPer? *blinks* |
| 23:21.29 | Dashkal | *shudders* |
| 23:21.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: you have resilience gear, that counts for me ;) |
| 23:21.59 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: it comes from the blue rep pieces and a couple actual pieces I picked up for tanking |
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| 23:22.53 | Dashkal | I don't need the pieces for tanking anymore. Need to replace my chest and shoulder slots again |
| 23:23.01 | Dashkal | mmm, survival of the fittest |
| 23:23.02 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* im just saying a large portion of the people i've run across in bgs don't really cause me much issue. It's the 1-2 that know "hey.. i should interrupt his heals" |
| 23:23.31 | NightHawkTheSane | you have no idea how often i've stood around healing myself while a rogue or warrior pounds on me futily |
| 23:23.36 | Amarande | Night: and are actually good enough to manage to do it |
| 23:24.04 | NightHawkTheSane | with a 2.5s cast, you'd have to be mildly retarted to not. |
| 23:24.10 | Dashkal | In a BG I consider that a win anyway. The reason is that since they're busy healing themself they aren't healing everybody else anymore |
| 23:24.16 | Shirik | TCP 127.0.0.1:49543 mpdelbuono-lp:6667 FIN_WAIT_2 |
| 23:24.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: chain heal |
| 23:24.21 | Shirik | Does anyone know what FIN_WAIT_2 means? |
| 23:24.36 | Dashkal | Ahh, stun and maim and call my rogue friend over to help. Shammies SUCK |
| 23:24.42 | NightHawkTheSane | :D |
| 23:24.57 | Amarande | Night: unless you have a ranged interrupt, it's fun managing to get to the healer in time to actually do it |
| 23:25.03 | Shirik | bleh |
| 23:25.03 | Shirik | nm |
| 23:25.08 | Dashkal | Suddenly you win. It's very rare that I can drop a resto shammy. Usually just futile |
| 23:25.12 | NightHawkTheSane | also, i can usually toss ES on myself to soak some of the damage. |
| 23:25.28 | Amarande | a rogue or warrior interrupter? meh, they have to somehow |
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| 23:25.40 | Amarande | add A+B+C+D and have it still be less than your cast time. |
| 23:25.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: yeah, you need reliable interrupts, and maybe dispels, and a fair bit of dps to do it |
| 23:25.50 | Amarande | A being time for the cast animation to register to their eye |
| 23:25.52 | Amarande | B to be travel time to the healer |
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| 23:26.01 | Amarande | C to be the swing time on their weapon to perform the interrupt move |
| 23:26.01 | Dashkal | I imagine my DK will have an easier time of it |
| 23:26.05 | Amarande | and D being the server lag involved in all this |
| 23:26.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: you're blowing smoke. |
| 23:26.25 | Dashkal | an interrupt, a silence, and a hot remover |
| 23:26.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i've seen rogues and warriors who easily keep me locked down when i'm spamming 1.5s LHWs |
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| 23:27.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i've also seen rogues and warriors who beat on me while i stand there spamming 2.5s CH/HW. |
| 23:27.06 | Dashkal | Amarande: swing timer? Kick, brain freeze, pummel, etc are instants |
| 23:27.13 | Amarande | Night: I'm talking when you first start to use heals, perhaps on a teammate, before they've gotten to the 'a healer, take him out' stage |
| 23:27.22 | Amarande | and thus, they're not already at melee range with you |
| 23:27.31 | Dashkal | also, I'm pretty killer with that inital interrupt as a druid. Bear form, charge. done |
| 23:27.44 | NightHawkTheSane | that's an irrelevent case. a healer will always get off a heal, maybe, two, in that case. |
| 23:28.06 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, druids who can bear->charge well are obnoxious >< |
| 23:28.54 | Dashkal | Mostly I charge in cat form, but that's cause in most cases the daze is better than the interrupt. |
| 23:28.55 | Kraps | anyone have the HH's mount? |
| 23:29.23 | Dashkal | Dunno why, you'd think an interrupt and short root would be better. Prolly just cause of immediate access to my DPS abilities |
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| 23:31.24 | mikma | behold my map-abomination! http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=mikma&path=%2FMikmap%2FMikmap.lua - does this to your minimap and battlemap: http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_102608_193338.jpg |
| 23:31.37 | Kraps | what do you think about this site? http://www.talentchic.com/ |
| 23:32.55 | Lunessa | mikma: I don't see any exposed ribs, green bile, or stitching. What sort of budget-basement abomination are you trying to sell here? |
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| 23:33.53 | mikma | lunessa: something that touches your three maps in very inappropriate way |
| 23:37.02 | mikma | 1) resizes and scales down worldmap 2) removes background from battlemap, and makes it clickable which toggles worldmap 3) changes the minimap to look like that (thats actually the originall texture, just SetVertexColor'd to black |
| 23:37.38 | mikma | + some other small tweaks |
| 23:38.24 | mikma | h, and uses custom blip-texture that colors raidmembers in minimap black |
| 23:38.28 | Lunessa | I looked at your code. I saw the image. It looks like a fun hack. |
| 23:39.13 | mikma | default image, only the blue has been changed to black so you can notice who is in your party and who is raidmember hehe |
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| 23:58.24 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOlznuyPOeM |
| 23:59.20 | Dewin | Maan... I wish I knew something about writing device drivers. |
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