| 00:00.12 | Coren{de} | yeah, also swift flight form... I think it sucks ~ |
| 00:00.36 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, the quests werent particularly hard |
| 00:00.42 | seebs | I think it makes some sense -- it's been hard enough getting groups for the boring old-world content already. But I still like the quests better. |
| 00:00.47 | Coren{de} | swift flight form quest is the quest which offers... everything for a druid :) |
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| 00:01.06 | Xinhuan | well coren, its not exactly a data mod |
| 00:01.08 | nevcairiel | there is a difference though, pally mount gives you the skill, flying form requires you to have the skill before, and i had fun with those quests |
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| 00:01.13 | Lonny` | foxlit: what do you mean by "bad, garbage generation", I know what it means but what makes you say that ? |
| 00:01.28 | seebs | Well, if you create a lot of items, then they have to be garbage collected, no? |
| 00:01.29 | Xinhuan | because it doesn't store really have any data of its own to begin with ;p |
| 00:01.36 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: well, i dont believe you can train it if you dont have the skill, so there's no real advantage there |
| 00:01.39 | Coren{de} | it's not about hard, NightHawk... it's about that the questline required all kinds of druid stuff to do it "right" (i.e. if you soloed it) |
| 00:02.28 | NightHawkTheSane | well yeah, don't get me wrong, the quest line was -awesome- |
| 00:02.44 | seebs | It was! |
| 00:02.50 | NightHawkTheSane | but i dont mind them making it not required going into the expansion. |
| 00:03.00 | nevcairiel | they probably just dont want new players now leveling to 80 to stop on 70 and do a long questline for flying |
| 00:03.02 | Lonny` | seebs yeah, but so do other things, it's really trivial to say X is bad just because you're creating objects :P |
| 00:03.13 | seebs | I eventually got a raiding 70 to finish it for me. 64 pally + 70 warrior in raid gear = easy, easy, fight. |
| 00:03.28 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: thats basically it. it was awkward to have to do so much work at non-max level for pallies/locks to get their mount, which is very iconic to the class. |
| 00:03.33 | NightHawkTheSane | thats just been extended to druids, really |
| 00:03.58 | Coren{de} | they should just move the quests to the highest tier when an expansion hits... |
| 00:04.25 | NightHawkTheSane | thats really too much work for too little benefit |
| 00:04.31 | Coren{de} | i.e. make the swift flight form quest into the whateverflyingthingy in the expansion |
| 00:05.04 | NightHawkTheSane | seeing as CWF is purchasable for everyone in wrath, that wouldn't work :P |
| 00:06.03 | Coren{de} | flightform stuff and winged creature stuff isn't codependent :) had a 280 mount before swift flight form over a month on my 3rd druid |
| 00:06.36 | NightHawkTheSane | er, except there's no new flight form skill/model/whatever in wrath. |
| 00:06.47 | NightHawkTheSane | the only mount-related skill, for anyone, is cold weather flying |
| 00:06.50 | Coren{de} | and as most stuff was in secluded areas, they could just up the level of the opponents without impact to anyone else |
| 00:07.36 | Coren{de} | yeah, I get it... I'm just sayin'... |
| 00:11.04 | mikma | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=23115 |
| 00:11.06 | mikma | :D |
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| 00:11.45 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: oh, thats awesome. |
| 00:12.11 | mikma | i'm so getting one |
| 00:13.41 | Polina | Question for any secure frame gurus: I have a secure button with the type attribute set to "macro" and the macro attribute set to the name of a macro. How do I get all kinds of clicks (left, right, middle, ..) to trigger the macro, and be able to trigger [btn:2] etc conditions inside the macro? |
| 00:13.42 | Polina | I've adding * every place I can imagine but no luck :/ |
| 00:14.04 | Polina | er, "I've tried adding.." :) |
| 00:14.24 | Xinhuan | Polina, pastey your code |
| 00:14.58 | Polina | self.frame:SetAttribute("type", "macro") |
| 00:14.58 | Polina | self.frame:SetAttribute("macro", macroName) |
| 00:15.25 | qz | anyone used GetAuctionItemClasses() function ? it just returns "Weapons" string and nothing else |
| 00:15.50 | Polina | doing "*type*" and "*macro*" didnt change anything, doing "type2"/"macro2" made the button not do anythign at all |
| 00:17.34 | Gnarfoz | ~seen Tuller |
| 00:17.38 | purl | tuller <n=muffins@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 2h 23m 16s ago, saying: 'my _gut_ says lookups are faster :P'. |
| 00:17.43 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 00:18.10 | Coren{de} | bah, looks like aarnet doesn't hand out ipv6 tunnels anymore :( |
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| 00:18.25 | Xinhuan | Polina |
| 00:18.41 | Xinhuan | self.frame:SetAttribute("macrotext", "/cast my macro whatever here") |
| 00:19.02 | Xinhuan | i don't think you can do this: self.frame:SetAttribute("macro", macroName) |
| 00:19.40 | Polina | hm, can I get that to call the named macro? (wihtout pasting in the text of the macro I mean) |
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| 00:19.57 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 00:20.24 | Xinhuan | well |
| 00:20.33 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowwiki.com/Secure_frames_overview |
| 00:20.35 | Xinhuan | visit that |
| 00:20.46 | Xinhuan | frame:SetAttribute("type1", "macro") |
| 00:20.46 | Xinhuan | frame:SetAttribute("macro1", 1) |
| 00:20.46 | Amarande | so, how's zombie world going? |
| 00:20.49 | Polina | just came from there, my head is spinning :) |
| 00:20.58 | Xinhuan | 1 here just means left button |
| 00:21.01 | Xinhuan | 2 is right button |
| 00:21.11 | Xinhuan | the suffix that is |
| 00:21.27 | Xinhuan | remove the suffix to trigger on all buttons |
| 00:21.34 | Xinhuan | so just "type" or "macro" |
| 00:22.15 | Polina | yeah, I tried with "type2" and "macro2" just to test, the result was the button doesn't do anything |
| 00:22.26 | Coren{de} | and the 2nd argument is the macro id, says the text, whatever that is... |
| 00:22.38 | Polina | hm, maybe I'm creating the button itself wrong |
| 00:22.49 | Coren{de} | macroName sounds like you tried a string, not a number? =) |
| 00:23.33 | Polina | it's a string, the name of the macro |
| 00:24.31 | Coren{de} | wowwiki says it should be a number... the id of the macro |
| 00:24.58 | Coren{de} | try with 1 and see if it triggers any of your macros, especially the one where you drink a large health potion... ;D |
| 00:25.09 | Polina | hm, I thought it could be either id or name - the name works with left-clicking anyway |
| 00:25.34 | Polina | I'm safe from wasting health pots, I'm on my low lvl test alt :) |
| 00:25.54 | Coren{de} | ah, you're right... shouldn't just look at the example... carry on :) |
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| 00:31.56 | Rick_0028 | Has anyone got auctioneer to work? |
| 00:32.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Use Auctioneer Advances |
| 00:32.11 | ScytheBlade1 | *Advanced |
| 00:32.29 | Rick_0028 | Did that.....still not working |
| 00:32.53 | ScytheBlade1 | What's happening? |
| 00:33.03 | NightHawkTheSane | man, i've never loved holy wrath more. |
| 00:33.06 | Rick_0028 | I keep getting errors |
| 00:33.36 | seebs | Is it our buddy assassin back again, or is this a new guy with the same problem? :) |
| 00:33.40 | seebs | What kind of errors? |
| 00:33.50 | Rick_0028 | When I go to my addons it says they are all out of date |
| 00:33.53 | seebs | There is at least one Blizzard UI bug in AH right now, I think. |
| 00:34.12 | seebs | They probably are. You will have to allow loading out-of-date addons for many, but if you have a current Auctioneer Advanced, it should work fine regardless. |
| 00:34.22 | Rick_0028 | Something about currency not set |
| 00:34.47 | ievil | oh |
| 00:34.50 | ievil | that's a non fun error |
| 00:34.51 | seebs | Hmm. I've heard of that, but I don't remember. What version of auctioneer? |
| 00:34.55 | Amarande | aucadv suite 3603 works fine at the AH but the tooltips don't give pricing info |
| 00:34.57 | ievil | I had that alot in my addons too |
| 00:35.02 | ievil | took me a bit to fix |
| 00:35.09 | Rick_0028 | Just get error after error.....when I mouse over things |
| 00:35.19 | ievil | what other addons do u use? |
| 00:35.20 | Rick_0028 | The newest version |
| 00:35.23 | ievil | bag addons? |
| 00:35.24 | seebs | They're up to 3715. |
| 00:35.28 | Rick_0028 | Carbonite |
| 00:35.51 | Rick_0028 | Just auctioneer and carbonite |
| 00:35.51 | ievil | any bag or bank addon? |
| 00:35.56 | ievil | nothing else? |
| 00:35.56 | Rick_0028 | No |
| 00:36.02 | Rick_0028 | Nothing |
| 00:36.17 | ievil | i didnt get that from latest AAC |
| 00:36.26 | ievil | tried downloading newest from their site? |
| 00:36.41 | Rick_0028 | Yes, have it now |
| 00:37.03 | ievil | could be carbonite doing it too, but it's usually some addon that prints money on a box |
| 00:37.16 | ievil | since blizz changed one of their calls |
| 00:38.11 | Rick_0028 | I have deleted the addon file and made a new one |
| 00:38.13 | ievil | SmallMoneyFrame_OnLoad(self, "STATIC"); <-- that one in particular |
| 00:38.41 | Rick_0028 | Are the addons still showing out of date? |
| 00:38.47 | ievil | some might |
| 00:38.52 | Rick_0028 | That looks like it |
| 00:39.32 | Rick_0028 | all of mine are showing out of date |
| 00:40.29 | ievil | only one from AAC which is out of date for me is bottomscanner |
| 00:41.38 | Rick_0028 | Message: ..\FrameXML\MoneyFrame.lua line 172: |
| 00:41.48 | Rick_0028 | That's one I'm getting |
| 00:42.06 | ievil | this is the addon you have downloaded |
| 00:42.08 | ievil | AuctioneerSuite-5.1.3715.zip ? |
| 00:42.53 | Rick_0028 | That's the one |
| 00:43.33 | ievil | 2sec loading wow with all my addons loaded |
| 00:44.55 | ievil | ok |
| 00:45.00 | ievil | its not happening for me |
| 00:45.05 | Corrodias | 2 seconds? wow. it used to take me the better part of a minute. |
| 00:45.18 | ievil | lol |
| 00:45.23 | Corrodias | lots of addons to load~ |
| 00:45.30 | ievil | i got about 200 directories now |
| 00:45.54 | ievil | reload takes 10-15 seconds |
| 00:47.23 | ievil | ok - Rick_0028, what other addons do you have in your Interface\Addons directory? |
| 00:47.37 | ievil | did you close your wow 100% when upgrading the addons? |
| 00:48.58 | Corrodias | i had about 300 folders in my addons folder |
| 00:49.11 | ievil | got 200 right now |
| 00:49.15 | ievil | due to disembbeded libs |
| 00:49.23 | Corrodias | ah yes, all of mine were unembedded |
| 00:50.51 | Rick_0028 | Just carbonite and auctioneer......wow was closed.......removed all old files before loading |
| 00:51.05 | ievil | remove carbonite |
| 00:51.49 | Rick_0028 | Just tried that......removed carbonite and reloaded auctioneer.......same problems |
| 00:52.58 | ievil | 2 sec |
| 00:53.09 | ievil | gonna grep through auctioneer for MoneyFrame |
| 00:53.31 | Shirik | oi |
| 00:53.36 | Shirik | my sleep schedule is as broken as Cairenn's now |
| 00:53.53 | Cairenn | sucks, doesn't it? |
| 00:54.04 | ievil | I blame blizzard :) |
| 00:54.08 | ievil | always helps |
| 00:54.25 | ievil | if in doubt |
| 00:54.26 | ievil | blame bliz |
| 00:54.37 | Lopeppeppy | No, it's my fault that Shirik can't sleep. |
| 00:55.35 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy? o.o |
| 00:55.47 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, someone has to take the blame, right? Why not me? |
| 00:56.35 | ievil | yepp |
| 00:56.45 | ievil | they're using the old syntax of SmallMoneyFrame_OnLoad |
| 00:56.52 | ievil | in EnhTooltip/Tooltip.xml |
| 00:57.08 | Cairenn | she's still relatively new, forgets that everything is always my fault |
| 00:57.18 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/dumbass-293x184.jpg |
| 00:57.37 | Shirik | oh, LAN party tonight |
| 00:57.50 | Cairenn | funness! |
| 00:58.27 | Shirik | You know, I worked on so much crap today I was talking to someone and they were convinced I needed a vacation. They told me I needed to come with them on Thanksgiving and leave my computer behind |
| 00:58.36 | Shirik | I told them that could never happen |
| 01:01.49 | Lopeppeppy | I think you should go, Shirik. |
| 01:01.57 | Shirik | on vacation? |
| 01:02.02 | Shirik | Can't, too much stuff to do |
| 01:02.05 | Cairenn | without your computer |
| 01:02.11 | seebs | Vacations rock. Or so I've been told. |
| 01:02.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oh Shirik, does Type A mean anything to you, dear? |
| 01:02.31 | Cairenn | one of the best re-charges I ever get is whenever I actually get the time to be able to go to Pennsic |
| 01:02.34 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Yes, why? |
| 01:02.50 | Cairenn | no computer, no cell phone, just me and 12k+ of my closest friends |
| 01:02.52 | seebs | Wow. This morning, the forums were about 2-3:1 in favor of zombies, by now it's 2-3:1 against, and that's WITH the CMs deleting about half the new complaint threads. |
| 01:02.52 | mikma | cairenn: you! windows xp? |
| 01:03.09 | Cairenn | mikma: ? |
| 01:03.19 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: In what context :P |
| 01:03.34 | mikma | cairenn: you can has windows xp plox? |
| 01:03.51 | Cairenn | that's the OS on my system, yes :p |
| 01:04.00 | mikma | good! |
| 01:04.12 | Cairenn | why for? |
| 01:04.25 | Rick_0028 | Ok if I remove all my addons why would they still be running? |
| 01:04.37 | Cairenn | because you have two installations of WoW |
| 01:04.50 | kd3 | or if you're on vista, you're not messing with the new folder |
| 01:04.58 | Rick_0028 | Vista |
| 01:05.00 | Cairenn | or that |
| 01:05.20 | kd3 | Remember how the installer asked if it could move WoW out of program files? the default is C:\Users\Public\Games\World of Warcraft |
| 01:05.21 | mikma | cairenn: me wants you too to check out http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=7138 |
| 01:05.30 | kd3 | delete the copy of wow still in program files if you have one lying around |
| 01:06.01 | Rick_0028 | Ok |
| 01:06.09 | Cairenn | mikma: what in particular would you like me to check about it? |
| 01:06.13 | Corrodias | somebody installed WoW into their user folder? XD |
| 01:06.39 | kd3 | ...that is where the installer suggests people put it |
| 01:06.43 | Corrodias | public. then the public user folder. wtf, man. |
| 01:06.53 | mikma | cairenn: just download it, unzip it, run it and enjoy the show! |
| 01:07.04 | mikma | cairenn: its not a virus... |
| 01:07.36 | Cairenn | trying to figure out what to download, where :p |
| 01:07.47 | Cairenn | it isn't particularly intuitive |
| 01:07.57 | mikma | http://www.scene.org/file_dl.php?url=ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/parties/2002/assembly02/demo/variform_by_kewlers.zip&id=162331 |
| 01:08.12 | Cairenn | there we go |
| 01:08.36 | mikma | just make sure you dont have volume on full |
| 01:09.43 | mikma | you can scan it, but the 8mb of that file is the mp3 =) |
| 01:09.53 | mikma | rest is pure code |
| 01:11.09 | mikma | cairenn: it will end when its done =) so dont worry about quiting (pressing esc) |
| 01:11.47 | Cairenn | psychedelic :p |
| 01:12.00 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 01:12.04 | mikma | wait until the part 2 |
| 01:12.11 | Rick_0028 | Same thing didn't update addons |
| 01:12.39 | Cairenn | need to figure out how to get it in a window though, so I can talk at the same time :po |
| 01:12.50 | mikma | you cant actually |
| 01:13.04 | mikma | that one is too old to have configure |
| 01:13.25 | mikma | but dont worry, it will last 4mins or so |
| 01:18.36 | mikma | forsaken by destiny... forsaken by my own mind.. |
| 01:18.58 | mikma | i must remove my skin, to see belief in your eeeeeeyeeeees |
| 01:21.49 | Cairenn | god help anyone who tried to watch that while on a bad trip :p |
| 01:22.25 | Antiarc | http://static.wowace.com/uploads/19/10/710/tex1.jpg <-- :D |
| 01:22.42 | mikma | cairenn: hehe, well wasnt the part 2 pretty? |
| 01:22.49 | mikma | like diamonds on screen |
| 01:22.49 | Cairenn | it ws |
| 01:22.52 | Cairenn | was* |
| 01:23.11 | Cairenn | FUCK |
| 01:23.13 | Cairenn | 3-1 |
| 01:23.19 | Cairenn | sorry |
| 01:23.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: nerf |
| 01:24.05 | mikma | now that was a new one |
| 01:24.17 | mikma | welcome to the real world =) |
| 01:24.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: hah, no need to apologize, that was awesome :) |
| 01:24.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: lol |
| 01:24.54 | foxlit | Torchwood: worth watching? |
| 01:25.05 | Cairenn | lol, you guys have forgotten, haven't you? |
| 01:25.08 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: Yeah, I like it |
| 01:25.25 | NightHawkTheSane | for my part, less forgotten, more never knew? |
| 01:25.36 | NightHawkTheSane | or are you really vile when your team is losing or something :P |
| 01:25.47 | Cairenn | true, some of you may not have known |
| 01:26.02 | mikma | cairenn: we have 2 teams playing hockey in this town! wooo |
| 01:26.20 | Cairenn | actually, this is nothing - it's only the regular season |
| 01:26.25 | Cairenn | wait until the playoffs hit ;) |
| 01:26.37 | Cairenn | mikma: /jealous |
| 01:26.45 | seebs | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11829576393&sid=1 <-- interesting thread for people with strong opinions on zombie event. |
| 01:26.55 | mikma | wts soft tv-protection kit |
| 01:27.00 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:27.23 | Cairenn | mikma: you're in NY? |
| 01:27.42 | Cairenn | only town she can think of with 2 teams ... |
| 01:28.02 | mikma | cairenn: lol no, Finland and town called Tampere |
| 01:28.54 | mikma | the Tampereen Ilves -hockeyteam did whoop American All-Stars many many maaaaany years ago |
| 01:28.57 | Legorol | anyone happens to remember offhand the slash command for clearing an MT in a raid using default UI? |
| 01:29.02 | Legorol | setting them is /mt tankname |
| 01:29.04 | Legorol | but how do you clear them |
| 01:29.12 | mikma | legorol: /rl |
| 01:29.25 | kd3 | have no target and go /mt? |
| 01:29.51 | Legorol | kd3: fail |
| 01:29.55 | Legorol | there can be multipe MTs |
| 01:30.09 | mikma | press O and use the gui |
| 01:30.16 | Legorol | mikma: thanks, and what does /rl stand for? |
| 01:30.28 | Legorol | mikma: i tired that, but don't see a clear MT option or similar |
| 01:30.30 | mikma | legorol: /console reloadui |
| 01:30.34 | Legorol | huh? |
| 01:30.39 | Cairenn | gezzus! another bloody penalty! |
| 01:30.41 | Legorol | why would reloading the UI clear MTs? |
| 01:30.45 | Legorol | it's a raid-wide setting |
| 01:31.03 | Legorol | it's a flag stored server side and visible on all clients |
| 01:31.07 | qz | how do i refer global variable from a function? |
| 01:31.08 | mikma | legorol: thought it was a problem ;) |
| 01:31.12 | qz | getglobal("name") ? |
| 01:31.22 | Legorol | qz: no, just simply by its name |
| 01:31.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: have you tried right clicking on the tank in the social/raid panel? |
| 01:31.33 | Legorol | unless you have a global variable of the same name, in which case do _G.name |
| 01:31.41 | qz | aha |
| 01:31.43 | mikma | legorol: press o and use the gui... |
| 01:31.53 | Legorol | or if the name is a string you want to create, then _G["name"] |
| 01:32.07 | Legorol | mikma: as i said already, sure, but which option is it? |
| 01:32.15 | Legorol | because i can't find option for clearing someone's MT status |
| 01:32.27 | mikma | legorol: just rightclick on the mt ? |
| 01:32.36 | Legorol | there are the usual Set Focus, Promote to Assistant, Demote etc. options, but nothing else |
| 01:32.39 | Legorol | mikma: d'uh |
| 01:32.44 | Legorol | you are stating the obvious :) |
| 01:32.47 | kd3 | demote? |
| 01:32.51 | Legorol | i did that, i don't see any option to clear MT |
| 01:33.00 | Legorol | kd3: that's for removing assistant status |
| 01:33.10 | mikma | lol /radisband |
| 01:33.15 | mikma | that will clear all |
| 01:33.26 | Legorol | nope, because CTRA doesn't exist anymore |
| 01:33.35 | mikma | ora2 has it too |
| 01:33.43 | Legorol | *facepalm* |
| 01:33.57 | Legorol | you know what mikma, how about you stop giving suggesitons, and say "sorry i don't know" if you don't know |
| 01:34.16 | mikma | na, this is much more fun |
| 01:35.29 | mikma | legorol: /mtoff |
| 01:36.14 | Legorol | mikma: thank you! |
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| 01:36.22 | Legorol | now you do have my gratitude :) and i'll stop flaming you ;-) |
| 01:36.41 | Cairenn | bah |
| 01:36.51 | mikma | mikma@ydin:~/koe/FrameXML$ grep '/mt' * |
| 01:36.51 | mikma | GlobalStrings.lua:SLASH_MAINTANKOFF1 = "/mtoff"; |
| 01:36.52 | Cairenn | losededed |
| 01:37.07 | End | bleh |
| 01:37.11 | End | bye bye vista |
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| 01:37.25 | Legorol | Cairenn: ? |
| 01:37.28 | mikma | end: whee |
| 01:37.46 | mikma | legorol: shes watching her favorite team losing |
| 01:37.47 | End | vista stopped working with my ethernet cards o_O |
| 01:37.51 | selckin | anyone know an addon to hide specific achievmeents? (once i have no interested in doing for example) ? |
| 01:37.54 | End | xp works though! |
| 01:38.01 | Cairenn | second fav (home team) |
| 01:38.28 | mikma | selckin: tekkub is planning on one, that i know |
| 01:39.03 | Tekkub | I am? |
| 01:39.17 | mikma | you told me so! |
| 01:39.23 | Tekkub | you lie |
| 01:39.25 | NightHawkTheSane | you are now, get to work! |
| 01:40.26 | Tekkub | hickory smoked is so crazy what wrong with you!?!?! |
| 01:40.31 | mikma | now dont make me paste your thoughts! |
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| 01:41.06 | NightHawkTheSane | oh crap |
| 01:41.12 | NightHawkTheSane | all the argent healers are gone from org |
| 01:41.32 | Xinhuan | do they cleanse themselves? |
| 01:41.47 | End | Hello, NightHawkTheSane the unwilling zombie? |
| 01:42.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: they do |
| 01:42.13 | seebs | Well, that makes me think it'll be tonight rather than tomorrow, then, because they seem to be accelerating quite a bit. |
| 01:42.25 | NightHawkTheSane | End: i'm feeling like zombie hunting mode for the moment :D |
| 01:42.26 | mikma | this is tekkub in the first frame: http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/viivijawagner/2192/20081015.gif |
| 01:42.30 | End | ah |
| 01:42.41 | mikma | and i dont think i need to translate the first bubble |
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| 01:42.59 | NightHawkTheSane | i (nearly) single-handedly defended lower city from a few pc-zombies. |
| 01:43.00 | Cairenn | guys, this is nikitis, he's trying to figure out how to improve cursor speed in wow under *nix |
| 01:43.16 | nikitis | Hello |
| 01:43.18 | Cairenn | told him you guys might have some suggestions for him |
| 01:43.26 | qz | hrm.. why ChatFrameX:AddMessage aint showing anything if it precedes QueryAuctionItems ? |
| 01:43.34 | kd3 | if you're in d3d mode, make sure you enable hardware cursor in video options |
| 01:43.40 | qz | and if i comment out QueryAuctionItems message gets shown just fine |
| 01:43.46 | mikma | <joke> install windows! </joke> |
| 01:43.50 | End | lawls |
| 01:43.59 | nikitis | kd3, I was under the impression d3d was broken 2 patches ago. |
| 01:44.08 | End | I'm sure someone has a config.wtf that's good for wine :P |
| 01:44.10 | End | but it's not me |
| 01:44.26 | ievil | "buy a mac" |
| 01:44.26 | mikma | haste: help the poor dude(tte) |
| 01:44.27 | nikitis | kd3, do you have a working config.wtf for d3d and patch 3.02? |
| 01:44.29 | ievil | or run opengl |
| 01:44.41 | nikitis | ievil, opengl brings me to my problem of slow cursor |
| 01:44.44 | kd3 | sec, lemme see if it's been fixed. I've ben in gl mode for a while |
| 01:45.01 | ievil | nikitis, been a while since I ran wow under wine/cedega sadly |
| 01:45.25 | seebs | Hey, Nikitis. |
| 01:45.37 | kd3 | bah, no it's still busted |
| 01:45.39 | seebs | I had horrible crashes with WINE/d3d, so I switched to opengl again. |
| 01:45.43 | nikitis | I talked with the open gl guys, and discovered that games can access hardware cursors via directx or Operating System calls directly |
| 01:45.53 | Cairenn | nikitis: now you know why I told you to hop in here - nothing like a channel full of programmers (geeks) to help you out :p |
| 01:45.57 | seebs | And BTW, the GL_vertex_buffer_arb thing appears to be fixed, so it is no longer needed to disable it. |
| 01:46.08 | seebs | And, in fact, enabling it seems to improve performance now rather than making it awful. |
| 01:46.11 | mikma | s/geeks/virgins/ |
| 01:46.19 | mikma | there i fixed it for you |
| 01:46.22 | ievil | mikma, not a virgin :) |
| 01:46.26 | Cairenn | not all of us ;) |
| 01:46.40 | mikma | ievil: thanks =) |
| 01:46.44 | seebs | Anyway, when you say "cursor speed", what do you mean? How fast the mouse moves? Does it move at a good speed outside of WoW? Have you tweaked the mouse settings in-game? |
| 01:46.44 | kd3 | yay for band camp! |
| 01:46.53 | Cairenn | kd3: lol |
| 01:46.58 | seebs | <-- married 13 years, going on 14. |
| 01:47.01 | ievil | mikma, lol |
| 01:47.12 | nikitis | Cairenn, yes i just need to shoot down all the "default" reasons and state my reason for wanting it |
| 01:47.14 | ievil | seebs, well 13 years since last time then? |
| 01:47.19 | seebs | Heh. |
| 01:47.20 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 01:47.21 | kd3 | oh, hell. that's right |
| 01:47.28 | kd3 | hardware cursor works in opengl mode now |
| 01:47.28 | Cairenn | ievil: rofl |
| 01:47.30 | mikma | ouuuuch |
| 01:47.37 | ccox | kd3: yea for college! |
| 01:47.40 | nikitis | kd3, not really |
| 01:47.57 | nikitis | kd3 opengl doesn't have direct access to hardware for mouse |
| 01:48.01 | seebs | Well, what's it not doing that you want it to do? |
| 01:48.09 | seebs | The cursor looks fine to me on my ogl install. |
| 01:48.25 | kd3 | try checking the checkbox... wow'll try to use it. it's working fine for me |
| 01:48.31 | kd3 | opengl mode here |
| 01:48.31 | nikitis | seebs, I wish for the mouse to 1.) Run at a higher fps, and 2.) run at a faster rate (DPI) |
| 01:48.44 | nikitis | kd3, it works ok |
| 01:48.54 | kd3 | afaik my mouse is moving at the same speed inside wow as it is outside |
| 01:48.59 | nikitis | kd3, but try it in d3d mode, and it runs flawlessly with no fickr |
| 01:49.09 | kd3 | if only we could get in to d3d mode |
| 01:49.10 | mikma | sounds like *nix configuration |
| 01:49.11 | kd3 | no flicker here |
| 01:49.25 | nikitis | kd3, i'm not alone in this predicament |
| 01:49.36 | kd3 | nvidia or ati? |
| 01:49.37 | nikitis | Well here's my thinking |
| 01:49.39 | ievil | what version of linux |
| 01:49.40 | nikitis | nvidia |
| 01:49.42 | ievil | what version of wine? |
| 01:49.46 | nikitis | ubuntu 8.04 |
| 01:49.48 | ievil | what X |
| 01:49.51 | nikitis | 1.1.7 and 1.0 wine |
| 01:49.52 | ievil | and what nvidia drivers? |
| 01:49.54 | mikma | name and sex? |
| 01:49.57 | nikitis | 177.80 |
| 01:50.05 | nikitis | Nikitis/male |
| 01:50.08 | kd3 | rofl |
| 01:50.10 | seebs | Oh, hey. That's nearly exactly what I'd have if I hadn't just reloaded with slackware. |
| 01:50.15 | seebs | I think I still have my ubuntu rootfs disk. |
| 01:50.27 | kd3 | 177? geez. I'm still on 173 |
| 01:50.33 | ievil | 1.1.7 = Xorg |
| 01:50.36 | nikitis | time to upgrade |
| 01:51.22 | seebs | My mouse seemed to be as fast as I expected. |
| 01:51.22 | kd3 | try upgrading to wine-1.1.6/7 |
| 01:51.22 | kd3 | they've made improvements since 1.0 |
| 01:51.22 | nikitis | kd3, i use 1.1.7 |
| 01:51.22 | nikitis | wine |
| 01:51.22 | kd3 | ah |
| 01:51.27 | seebs | I was having mouse problems (cursor couldn't go into the bottom button-height area of the screen), but they went away. Although I'm on 1.0.1 now because Slackware hasn't updated WINE in a long time. |
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| 01:51.41 | seebs | But it's working absolutely beautifully, so I won't worry about it for a while. |
| 01:51.47 | ievil | what mouse and gfx drivers is Xorg running ? |
| 01:51.57 | nikitis | seebs, well the mouse works, and is even playable, but it's not as sharp and is running at a slower dpi than in directx. |
| 01:52.19 | ievil | does sound like a Xorg problem rather than wine |
| 01:53.10 | kd3 | you try playing wow in a wine virtual desktop? |
| 01:54.02 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 01:54.05 | seebs | That is very odd. |
| 01:54.10 | nikitis | kd3, no i haven't |
| 01:54.19 | seebs | I can't check it out, because WoW crashes instantly for me in dx mode, though. |
| 01:54.31 | seebs | I suppose I could download a newer WINE and see whether it builds and if so whether it runs okay. |
| 01:54.42 | nikitis | ievil, here's what i think the issue is. |
| 01:54.45 | kd3 | wine explorer /desktop=1440x400,wow WoW.exe |
| 01:54.48 | kd3 | change the reso as necessary |
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| 01:55.08 | kd3 | er, wow,1440x900 |
| 01:55.10 | nikitis | WoW uses d3d to access the cursor at a hardware level |
| 01:55.29 | nikitis | in linux, d3d calls are translated into opengl calls |
| 01:55.41 | nikitis | opengl has no direct access to mouse cursors |
| 01:55.47 | nikitis | at the hardware level |
| 01:56.01 | nikitis | this is why blizzard says opengl doesn't support hardware cursors |
| 01:56.02 | ievil | ehm no |
| 01:56.14 | nikitis | so my suggestion for a fix is |
| 01:56.29 | kd3 | blizz "says", that, but they changed the engine around in 3.0 |
| 01:56.39 | nikitis | have blizzard write a cvar to have the cursor access the wine emulated XP cursor call. |
| 01:56.44 | ievil | d3d is emulated through opendx isnt it? |
| 01:56.48 | kd3 | yes |
| 01:56.51 | kd3 | in wine, at least |
| 01:56.54 | ievil | not opengl |
| 01:57.27 | nikitis | Hardware cursor calls do not have to be accessed via directx, they can be called via the OS as well |
| 01:57.35 | ievil | as the cedega and wine teams was very vocal about doing DirectX/D3d stuff for games natively in gfx code |
| 01:57.40 | nikitis | So blizzard needs to write a cvar to allow for this kind of call |
| 01:58.10 | ievil | blizzard will not do anything in their code to support Wine/Cedega |
| 01:58.14 | kd3 | don't hold your breath |
| 01:58.17 | nikitis | to the os directly |
| 01:58.22 | nikitis | Well this is why i'm here |
| 01:58.32 | nikitis | to suggest it |
| 01:58.41 | nikitis | I came looking for blizzard devs |
| 01:58.50 | ievil | we dont work for Blizzard sadly, we just develop UI/addons for wow |
| 01:58.56 | nikitis | i know |
| 01:59.04 | nikitis | But it was worth a shot |
| 01:59.30 | ievil | I think it's easier to suggest Wine/Cedega devs to improve their emulation |
| 01:59.38 | Corrodias | blizzard employee(s) have been known to appear hear occasionally |
| 01:59.39 | ievil | since that's prolly the end that will have results |
| 01:59.41 | seebs | I'm a bit confused, though, because I'm not having the same problem you are. |
| 01:59.44 | nikitis | wine in d3d when works has d3d code to emulate the hardware cursor calls and it works wonderfully |
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| 01:59.55 | seebs | I gotta run for food, when I get back I'll try to have a look at this mouse stuff more. |
| 02:00.00 | End | godammit |
| 02:00.08 | nikitis | Mice, have DPI Ratings |
| 02:00.23 | End | now I'm a zombie |
| 02:00.24 | End | braaaaaains |
| 02:00.29 | ievil | nikitis, have you tried Cedega? |
| 02:00.58 | seebs | I used to use Cedega and switched to Wine because the performance was better. |
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| 02:01.05 | nikitis | 1000 DPI (Dots per inch) makes the cursor move so many pixels, the higher the pixles the higher the control one has |
| 02:01.12 | nikitis | err sorry |
| 02:01.16 | seebs | That was around wine 0.40, I think. |
| 02:01.18 | nikitis | the higher the dpi |
| 02:01.26 | nikitis | not pixels |
| 02:01.39 | ievil | seebs, i've had both types of experiences |
| 02:01.41 | nikitis | wow seems to have a sluggish in wine due to no hardware cursor |
| 02:01.59 | nikitis | ievil, yes, cedega no longer can run wow in d3d either |
| 02:02.01 | seebs | I'm really mystified, Nikitis, because I'm really not having any problems with cursor speed. |
| 02:02.24 | nikitis | seebs, have you tried wow in d3d and opengl to see the difference? |
| 02:02.27 | seebs | It's flawless and fast. 1920x1200 display, cursor zips across it as fast as I'd like moving in every frame. |
| 02:02.33 | seebs | D3D crashes for me, so not usefully. :) |
| 02:02.39 | seebs | I'll poke at it more when I'm back. |
| 02:03.00 | nikitis | seebs, you have to try it in d3d, do it in windows if you have a copy installed, you'll see what i'm talking about. |
| 02:03.25 | nikitis | if d3d was workign in wine or cedega I'd be on it and wouldn't even be in here |
| 02:03.29 | ievil | wow is even cedega certified so strange if it doesnt work ok now |
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| 02:03.49 | ievil | best engine Cedega 6.1.0 |
| 02:03.55 | nikitis | ievil, cedega even says in it's game comments for wow, "No longer works in d3d" |
| 02:03.56 | seebs | Got no Windows anymore. |
| 02:04.10 | foxlit | use a Door. |
| 02:04.11 | ievil | you sure? |
| 02:04.11 | seebs | My previous box, I allocated a partition but never actually ran the install, this one I haven't even bothered. :) |
| 02:04.13 | ievil | I just checked |
| 02:04.23 | Codex| | does the macro to cast a spell (flamestrike) on the current mouse cursor still work? trying to make it easy to do flamestrikes without fiddling with the green circle |
| 02:04.27 | nikitis | ievil, here i'll load it up now and paste it |
| 02:04.37 | seebs | But I might have had it crashing only after the game had been started, so I might be able to use a mouse cursor in the window a bit to see how it looks. |
| 02:06.12 | ievil | from cedega's forum - " D3D is working pretty well except for a small issue with distant graphics popping into view when they shouldn't with GLSL set to mixed or some small cases of shader errors that result in stretching textures if GLSL is set to Yes. The problem you describe is indicative of having GLSL disabled and shaders set to less then 2.0." |
| 02:06.51 | nikitis | ievil, hmm maybe that is my issue |
| 02:06.55 | ievil | "Cedega not only was the only app of the three that can run WoW in DirectX mode, it's also the only one that will fail starting in OpenGL mode" |
| 02:07.00 | nikitis | pixel shaders |
| 02:07.37 | ievil | apology for pasting so much into this channel :) |
| 02:08.52 | ievil | nikitis, on the cedega forum there are some interesting threads tho |
| 02:09.38 | nikitis | ievil, looking for the cvar to use pixel shader 1.4 in wine |
| 02:15.49 | nikitis | Thanks for your time guys. I guess D3D is supposed to work now in cedega. I know it was broken for a bit. but it no longer says that. |
| 02:15.59 | nikitis | I'm going to go try it now. |
| 02:16.52 | ievil | np :) |
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| 02:17.00 | Corey | sup |
| 02:17.04 | ievil | give us a heads up on how it went |
| 02:18.22 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, [Make Love, not Warcraft] is amusing |
| 02:18.27 | bleeter | :( one of the invasion points on my realm's bugged out |
| 02:18.46 | bleeter | and |
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| 02:19.16 | bleeter | ./leave HeadlessHorseman'sRant pls blz kthx |
| 02:19.27 | bleeter | (yes, btw) |
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| 02:22.00 | seebs | They are going mad on the post deletions now. :) |
| 02:22.37 | Corrodias | huzzah |
| 02:22.44 | Corrodias | finally, someone lays down the law. a little. |
| 02:23.15 | ievil | deletions |
| 02:23.17 | ievil | ? |
| 02:24.13 | seebs | Eh, a lot of the threads they're deleting were good and didn't violate TOS -- and many of them were actually new topics or ideas. |
| 02:24.26 | seebs | I think the CMs are trying to make the player response to zombies look better now, since it's tanking so fast. |
| 02:24.46 | seebs | Posts insulting the people complaining are a lot more resilient than posts making complaints right now. |
| 02:25.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i honestly don't see it "tanking" anywhere except the fraction of a fraction of people who whine on the forums |
| 02:26.01 | seebs | Several people I knew who loved it on Thursday hate it now. |
| 02:26.13 | Corrodias | it has only been a couple of days |
| 02:26.15 | seebs | The shiny's wearing off for some of the early adopters. |
| 02:26.26 | Corrodias | i'd say nonsense like that could last for 3 days to be best. |
| 02:26.31 | NightHawkTheSane | everyone i know still thinks its awesome |
| 02:26.36 | seebs | So while a ton of people are still having fun, the complaints are starting to pile up. |
| 02:26.40 | Corrodias | maybe a week depending on how fun it is |
| 02:26.57 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: thats hardly 'tanking' though |
| 02:27.24 | seebs | Responses have gone from 90% positive to >50% negative -- and that's with a TON of the negative responses getting deleted. |
| 02:27.25 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd put good money on the fact that, after all is said and done, the people who complained at all would only amount to 4-5% of the total user base |
| 02:28.07 | Legorol | Also remember that people are much more likely to bring a complaint to the forum than the other way around. |
| 02:28.12 | NightHawkTheSane | thing is, you're just looking at forum posts |
| 02:28.12 | seebs | Well, yeah. Total users posting in the forum <1% of the user base. |
| 02:28.15 | Legorol | I hear a lot of complaining in guild chat too though |
| 02:28.25 | NightHawkTheSane | everyone really knows that forum goers are pretty much entirely trolls |
| 02:28.56 | seebs | But even so, the forum sentiment was almost totally positive at first, and is now going down fast. Sure, lots of people still having fun, but... I do know several people now who loved it for a while and then stopped. |
| 02:29.20 | Legorol | I think part of the problem is that it's starting to affect ordinary questing more seriously now. |
| 02:29.34 | NightHawkTheSane | People don't understand the concept of a plague. |
| 02:29.34 | Legorol | Not just the occasional griefer, but flight NPCs are routinely dead, auctioneers dead, etc. |
| 02:29.54 | Legorol | That's seriously hampering people's enjoyment of the game, and you can avoid it less and less. |
| 02:29.56 | NightHawkTheSane | they think it's neat when there's a couple zombies safely outside the city |
| 02:30.01 | seebs | I suspect they understand it, they just don't think it's fun anymore. |
| 02:30.10 | NightHawkTheSane | but as soon as there's an actual affect on the game, they become whiny bitches |
| 02:30.31 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: sure, because people log in to do the things *they* want to do |
| 02:30.41 | seebs | I'm in the most minority of the minorities, I don't object to the effect on the game, I just don't like the flagging. If it were just NPCs getting killed all the time by 70 elite mobs, I would be having a blast. |
| 02:30.41 | Legorol | To find that they are hampered in their ability to carry out their plans is frustrating |
| 02:30.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: except the world doesn't work like that. :P |
| 02:30.55 | Corrodias | baby, i can make you feel good |
| 02:30.55 | Legorol | I have complete sympathy for those that find the thing a nuisance, even though I'm on the zombie side |
| 02:31.04 | ievil | what's name of the oUF main addon? |
| 02:31.08 | seebs | Anyway, looks to me like they're aiming to wrap it up tonight or tomorrow at this rate, and then we get aftermath stuff. |
| 02:31.08 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: no the world doesn't, but a game you choose to play (and pay) for does :) |
| 02:31.10 | Corrodias | people who have plans in WoW should take a step back |
| 02:31.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: and they can choose NOT to play or pay for it |
| 02:31.28 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: you and I both know that's not how it works |
| 02:31.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: yes, it is. |
| 02:31.38 | Corrodias | NHTS: or they can give feedback and get the game changed to how they want it, and enjoy it more! |
| 02:32.02 | NightHawkTheSane | i want a world that has salient effects like this as much as they want a stagnet world that never changes |
| 02:32.05 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: they have had an option removed. For the time being. That is frustrating. |
| 02:32.20 | seebs | No one I know of wants a "stagnant world that never changes". Total straw man, that. |
| 02:32.21 | Legorol | Consider this: when servers go down for some technical reason, even if you can't help it, it's agreeably frustrating. |
| 02:32.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: they can! feedback is -great- :p |
| 02:32.31 | Legorol | You planned a bit of WoWing for the vening, and you can't. |
| 02:32.36 | Legorol | This plague is a bit similar. |
| 02:32.49 | Legorol | Sure you put up with it, or log off for a few days... it still is frustrating. |
| 02:32.51 | seebs | A lot of people want a world in which the changes at least allow some baseline ongoing activities (checking auctions, for instance) so they can goof off a bit if they don't feel like doing something dramatic and active. |
| 02:33.15 | Legorol | indeed |
| 02:33.16 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: thats at odds with a any kind of real world event, though |
| 02:33.26 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: yes and no. |
| 02:33.51 | seebs | Yeah, it is. But then, game design is not always compatibel with realism. |
| 02:33.54 | Legorol | Also, don't forget that for example putting up auctions was a basic feature of the game, which a lot of people actively thought out and enjoyed. |
| 02:34.04 | Legorol | This is as if Blizz temporarily disabled auction houses. |
| 02:34.09 | seebs | If we wanted realism, we'd still be talking about the character who killed Edwin VanCleefe and made Westfall safe. |
| 02:34.11 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: its not even that |
| 02:34.14 | Legorol | Not a very good state of affairs for a lot of people |
| 02:34.22 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a whole theory of game design that works extremely well with this kind of event |
| 02:34.27 | NightHawkTheSane | and there's nothing wrong with that |
| 02:34.44 | Legorol | I think you miss my point. I'm not saying that this kind of event is wrong. I like it the way it is. |
| 02:34.59 | seebs | It works for a lot of people, but apparently not for all of them. What I find interesting is that there's a lot of people for whom the event was fun for about a day, but is now very unfun. |
| 02:35.08 | Legorol | I just think that those people who QQ about it have every right to do so, and I completely understand their point. |
| 02:35.23 | Legorol | Because if I didn't enjoy the event and felt that it's stopping me from doing what I wanted to do, I'd be annoyed to. |
| 02:35.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: i think you miss mine. The entire point of this event is to disrupt the status quo. not for the people who like it, but for -everyone- to FORCE people outside their comfort zone |
| 02:35.39 | NightHawkTheSane | if ANYONE was able to opt-out of this easily, it would defeat the ENTIRE purpose |
| 02:35.45 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: we agree on what the event *does* |
| 02:36.11 | Legorol | We also agree on how it achieves that. |
| 02:36.20 | Legorol | I just don't see you having sympathy for those who are negatively affected. |
| 02:36.32 | Legorol | By its nature the event must negatively affect some people, otherwise it doesn't quite work. |
| 02:36.34 | NightHawkTheSane | I don't. This is game design at it's best, in my opinion |
| 02:36.38 | seebs | I have really no interest in being forced outside my comfort zone by a game. |
| 02:36.40 | Legorol | Yes it is |
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| 02:36.42 | Legorol | It's very good design. |
| 02:36.43 | NightHawkTheSane | well, let me rephrase |
| 02:36.50 | NightHawkTheSane | I have sympathy and pity for the people who don't appreciate it. |
| 02:36.58 | NightHawkTheSane | But under no circumstances would I want the event changed |
| 02:36.59 | Legorol | But note that this event *only* works because it's griefing some people. |
| 02:37.06 | NightHawkTheSane | (barring minor usability fixes, to be sure) |
| 02:37.15 | Legorol | as you yourself said |
| 02:37.17 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 02:37.18 | NightHawkTheSane | exactly |
| 02:37.21 | Legorol | It's like a sport event: |
| 02:37.23 | seebs | I think it's in the same category as horror movies. |
| 02:37.30 | Legorol | you can only have a good sport match if there is a loser side |
| 02:37.36 | seebs | Some people enjoy being scared, so they watch scary movies. |
| 02:37.40 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: that seems like a very good analogy |
| 02:37.45 | seebs | You can't "fix" a scary movie by making it non-scary. |
| 02:38.02 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: the thing is, you don't complain about your movie being scary. you just don't watch the movie |
| 02:38.07 | Legorol | seebs: indeed, now consider someone who is forced to watch a non-scary movie turn into a scary one |
| 02:38.18 | seebs | Well, that's the thing, NH. |
| 02:38.19 | jaxdahl | they can go to the next theater |
| 02:38.21 | jaxdahl | (an instance) |
| 02:38.27 | seebs | I hate scary movies. I don't enjoy them, at all, ever. I do not want to watch them. |
| 02:38.28 | Legorol | when they were looking forward to watching the non-scary movie |
| 02:38.43 | seebs | Now imagine if I signed up for the "thrilling action/adventure movies with no horror movies" channel, and they decided to do a horror movie marathon. |
| 02:38.44 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: same here, honestly. i don't watch horror |
| 02:38.47 | seebs | I'd be upset, and rightly so. |
| 02:39.19 | seebs | My complaint is that Blizzard advertises a game with certain safeguards -- you can always opt out of certain kinds of content if you don't like it. And now you can't, except by leaving, and they won't even tell you when it'll be over. |
| 02:39.19 | NightHawkTheSane | sure. but there your analogy fails. it was explicitly stated when you signed up that gameplay may change :p |
| 02:39.28 | NightHawkTheSane | they never advertise that. |
| 02:39.45 | Legorol | sure they do |
| 02:39.50 | seebs | They do. It's still there on the WoW site that on a Normal or RP server, you never have to PvP unless you opt in to it. |
| 02:39.52 | Legorol | PvE realms are advertised as consensual PvP |
| 02:40.07 | seebs | So I'm torn. |
| 02:40.09 | Legorol | zombies break that rule, because a zombie can atteck you *in your own city* |
| 02:40.21 | jaxdahl | the zombie is not a player |
| 02:40.26 | jaxdahl | it's a freaking zombie |
| 02:40.29 | Legorol | i have had several experiecnes in IF where i afkd for a few minutes to come back and find myself a dead zombie |
| 02:40.29 | jaxdahl | kill it with fire! |
| 02:40.32 | seebs | I think the event really does do something interesting and artistic, and that making it non-intrusive would break the art. |
| 02:40.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: arguably, but I'd be hard pressed to label zombie fights as typical pvp |
| 02:40.40 | seebs | Jaxdahl, if it's controlled by a person, it's a player. |
| 02:40.41 | NightHawkTheSane | the only resemblence is that it flags you |
| 02:40.43 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: it's not typical pvp |
| 02:40.53 | jaxdahl | stand next to the argent healer |
| 02:40.53 | Legorol | but it does mean that another human player can attack me against my will and get me killed |
| 02:41.02 | Legorol | jaxdahl: irrelevant, i wasn't upset by it :) |
| 02:41.06 | Legorol | we are discussing principles |
| 02:41.17 | NightHawkTheSane | but, if you have a modicum of common sense, it's surprisingly easy to avoid pvp, even against zombies |
| 02:41.35 | seebs | So it's a really interesting piece of work -- but it does break some assumptions, and for some people it can be pretty upsetting. |
| 02:41.37 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: on a realm that advertises PvP as opt-in, why should i have to actively opt-out by avoiding it? |
| 02:41.38 | Corrodias | don't city guards react to them? |
| 02:41.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: world event :D |
| 02:41.48 | Corrodias | Legorol: because WoW is boring |
| 02:41.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: yes they do |
| 02:41.55 | seebs | On the whole, I think it's basically well-done, I just don't think they dealt with the malicious griefing well enough. |
| 02:42.05 | qz | anyone used QueryAuctionItems function? |
| 02:42.07 | seebs | As it happens, I personally can't play it even with the griefing fixed, but I don't really care that much. |
| 02:42.12 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: there's a -few- quirks to it, i'll gladly admit |
| 02:42.12 | bleeter | Legorol: same way that one has to avoid stuff when PvP is forced on a PvE realm due to dumb rules and crap programming |
| 02:42.29 | Legorol | seebs: i think we have already established that the event wouldn't be as cool or successful if you couldn't grief |
| 02:42.40 | seebs | Not necessarily. |
| 02:43.09 | seebs | If they made zombies level-appropriate to their zones, and impossible to bring into newbie spawn areas, I think the event would be just as fun, and probably a lot more fun. |
| 02:43.12 | Legorol | bleeter: i can't think of a single instance where you can be forced into PvP against your will on a PvE realm, except this zombie stuff |
| 02:43.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: there's a few things you can do which really are pure griefing, and make the whole thing kinda awkward |
| 02:43.17 | Legorol | that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist of course |
| 02:43.27 | seebs | Level 70 zombies in a newbie zone are really awful. Level 15 zombies at Razor Hill would be thrilling and exciting. |
| 02:43.44 | Cide | hey |
| 02:43.50 | Cide | you can't ask the scourge to care about you. |
| 02:43.51 | bleeter | Legorol: there's a certain alliance zone on a certain US RP realm, where a certain shammy has been killing of flight masters and repair guys for the past 18 months. GM response is 'PvP solution exists' :/ |
| 02:44.09 | seebs | If they'd made the zombies scale in some way, I think it'd have been a lot more fun for some people. |
| 02:44.18 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: hm, now that you mention it, i should spend some time patrolling newbie zones killing zombies.. although, that's a pain in the ass now that the debuff lasts 2m. >< |
| 02:44.25 | bleeter | we're starting to suspect multiple account transfers and stuff before final bans, hence my crap rules comment above |
| 02:44.40 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: they do, to an extent. kill a 70, get a 70 zombie, kill a 30, get a 30 zombie :P |
| 02:45.01 | Legorol | Let's have a look at the key point of the zombie invasion: |
| 02:45.09 | seebs | Yeah, but 70s have been camping the newbie zones. I think the L1-5 zones should really have been completely opted out, just from a sanity-check gameplay standpoint. |
| 02:45.22 | seebs | The rest of the game, I'm a lot more understanding of it. |
| 02:45.24 | Legorol | It basically spawns a bunch of intelligent, hostile mobs in areas that are not normally populated by them. |
| 02:45.55 | Legorol | The main issue here in my opinion is not with the hostile part, but the intelligent part. |
| 02:46.13 | seebs | It's not even just intelligence, but malice. And not even just malice, but OOC malice. |
| 02:46.15 | Legorol | It's quite acceptable on a PvE realm for example to suddenly have an invasion of Shattrath by hostile NPCs |
| 02:46.27 | Legorol | but giving those NPCs human intelligence results in griefing |
| 02:46.29 | seebs | Arthas's legions would not corpse-camp or make rude emotes at people. |
| 02:46.40 | Legorol | exactly my point |
| 02:46.54 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: I disagree, corpse camping.. while a despicable act.. is very effective |
| 02:46.59 | seebs | The zombie invasion is motivated largely by a desire to offend players, not to defeat characters, and that is where a lot of the hard feelings come from. It's 100% metagame thinking. |
| 02:47.00 | bleeter | aren't there a bunch of DKs abouyt to disprove that point? :P |
| 02:47.05 | NightHawkTheSane | I think the scourge would corpse camp you |
| 02:47.23 | seebs | Corpse camping is OOC. The entire existence of respawns and resurrection is OOC, really. |
| 02:47.33 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: the point is that zombies don't behave like ordinary NPC hostile mobs. |
| 02:47.36 | seebs | (Well, the regular "come back to life" sort, spells are IC.) |
| 02:47.53 | Legorol | If the whole invasion played out as a bunch of hostile beings of NPC-like behaviour, it would be far more acceptable to people on PvE realms too |
| 02:48.03 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: there are some aspects of the game that cannot be handled purely in game. The world, like it or not, is not so immersive that designers can avoid ooc/meta issues |
| 02:48.13 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 02:48.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: and far less interesting |
| 02:48.31 | Legorol | less interesting, but in the spirit of a PvE realm |
| 02:48.46 | Legorol | I believe that the zombie invasion oversteps the boundaries of the spirit of a PvE realm |
| 02:48.53 | seebs | And that's why I think it would make sense to have a few exceptions to the realism of the event (say, "all newbie areas autocleanse anyone entering them") to make sure that the malicious griefers can't turn it from an attack on the characters into harassment of the players. |
| 02:48.59 | NightHawkTheSane | i think that actually makes it a better event on a pve realm |
| 02:49.05 | Legorol | If someone *chooses* to play on a PvE realm, they opt for the less interesting version |
| 02:49.07 | NightHawkTheSane | because it goes far further in making it a real hostile environment |
| 02:49.16 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: you are missing the point then |
| 02:49.21 | NightHawkTheSane | not at all |
| 02:49.22 | Legorol | Playing on a PvE realm is a choice |
| 02:49.31 | Legorol | You *choose* to opt out of such a hostile environment |
| 02:49.46 | Legorol | One solution would've been to make certain types of actions impossible on a PvE realm by zombies |
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| 02:50.02 | Legorol | maybe flag some NPCs as nonkillable, or have safe zones for players in cities, or something like that |
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| 02:50.24 | NightHawkTheSane | you're basically preaching to the choir here. In general, I hate pvp more than anyone. I transferred off a pvp realm that my friends were on, because I couldn't put up with the pvp to play with them :P |
| 02:50.48 | Legorol | I completely agree with you that this event is great fun |
| 02:50.53 | NightHawkTheSane | But I still say that the event would lose a -lot- if it were so easy to opt out of |
| 02:50.57 | Legorol | I welcome it wholeheartedly, despite the disruption it caused me |
| 02:51.11 | seebs | I think if it were possible-but-hard, it would be fine for a lot of things. |
| 02:51.19 | Legorol | I'm just saying that I agree with the QQ-ers that it's against the choices one makes when joining a PvE realm |
| 02:51.30 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: i'd put it at "possible but hard" right now, really. |
| 02:51.41 | seebs | As I said, even if they just made the 1-5 zones immune, it would be whole lot better. I have two alts I was planning to start, and I'd love to start 'em. |
| 02:51.42 | NightHawkTheSane | not sure where it'll go from here, t hough |
| 02:51.47 | kd3 | the hell? there's an orc just chilling in darnassus |
| 02:51.56 | seebs | It's not possible enough for me personally, but I agree that it's possible to avoid it moderately well. |
| 02:52.14 | Xinhuan | Legorol: argued to death |
| 02:52.23 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: i haven't looked lately, but some of the lesser populated areas may be fine. I suspect teldrassil may be reasonably unaffected |
| 02:52.28 | Legorol | Xinhuan: in this channel, right here, for the past half hour too :) |
| 02:52.28 | bleeter | kd3: lol |
| 02:52.32 | Xinhuan | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/11675541045-blues-how-much-fun-are-you-having-with-this.html |
| 02:52.36 | Xinhuan | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/11676470623-this-zombie-thing-is-stupid.html |
| 02:52.42 | Legorol | Xinhuan: no need :) |
| 02:52.54 | Legorol | we were having a friendly chat with seebs and NightHawkTheSane on the pros and cons and perspectives |
| 02:53.06 | Legorol | a very interesting and constructive discussion too imo |
| 02:53.33 | Legorol | Xinhuan: lastly, it having been argued to death doesn't mean the 3 of us can't also chat about it |
| 02:53.35 | seebs | I would be SO much less annoyed if they'd be willing to just tell me, individually, when the forced-PvP is over so I can go back to farming NPC zombies or something. |
| 02:56.11 | Legorol | Ultimately I think the way it was implemented is fine. That's because I can adapt and accept the current situation. |
| 02:56.23 | Legorol | Lot of people can't, and I sympathise with them, and I don't think they are wrong to complain. |
| 02:56.43 | Legorol | Same as if servers were down or instance servers were not working. I'd go read a book. Others would complain, rightly so. |
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| 02:57.10 | seebs | And they'd get a ton of posts asking for updates on when the servers will be back up. |
| 02:57.27 | seebs | Honestly, their biggest practical mistake may have been the overlap with the continued widespread server problems and the Hallow's End stuff. |
| 02:57.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: see, I think they ARE wrong to complain. Thats not to say they shouldn't provide feedback, but complaints don't serve any purpose |
| 02:57.49 | seebs | If this had happened when everything was otherwise running smoothly, and outside of other timed events, I bet it'd be a lot more well-taken. |
| 02:57.50 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 02:57.58 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: I strongly disagree, when something happens that you don't like, you have every right to express your displeasure at the state of affairs. |
| 02:58.02 | seebs | Well, under what circumstances do you think it's right for people to complain? |
| 02:58.08 | seebs | What makes it "wrong" to complain about something? |
| 02:58.10 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: an unfortunate coincidence, but the world event certainly wouldn't have waited. it'd be like delaying christmas due to extended maintenence |
| 02:58.45 | seebs | But the world event is, in fact, completely up to Blizzard to control. I think they should have allocated another week for getting servers stable before doing a once-in-a-lifetime event. :) |
| 02:58.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: there's a big difference between voicing displeasure in a civil manner along proper channels and QQing all over the forums like a 12 year old |
| 02:59.06 | seebs | Yeah, but "wrong to complain" would flag them both as wrong, because both are "complaining". |
| 02:59.36 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: Well, the thing is, there's probably some timing things, especially as it may be synced up with the wotlk release. |
| 02:59.46 | seebs | Agreed. |
| 03:00.00 | seebs | I think, though, that they made the window from patch to WotLK release too narrow. |
| 03:00.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Nah, I think overall, the games in a pretty decent state for the release |
| 03:00.23 | seebs | So they were stuck with a huge event occurring at a time when a noticeable chunk of the population can't log in without massive lag or disconnects. |
| 03:00.25 | Legorol | that's a good thing seebs |
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| 03:00.35 | Legorol | (the narrowness) |
| 03:00.41 | Legorol | i agree it makes it hard to test realm stability |
| 03:00.47 | NightHawkTheSane | The only problem is that there's some server issues in the interim between 3.0 and wrath |
| 03:00.54 | seebs | Well, yeah, but there's ALWAYS server issues. |
| 03:01.02 | NightHawkTheSane | exactly :D |
| 03:01.03 | Legorol | i'd like to point out the extremeness of the timing issue: |
| 03:01.04 | seebs | So I think they shoulda planned for fixing those BEFORE the event. |
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| 03:01.23 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: they have been working on it tirelessly, i am absolutely certain |
| 03:01.24 | Legorol | the zombie event reaches its peak and most disruptive nature on a weekend, the last weekend before the end of hallow's end event |
| 03:01.37 | Legorol | lot of the weekend players are strongly affected as a result |
| 03:01.39 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 03:01.45 | Legorol | oh, and we have the scourge event now too |
| 03:01.55 | Legorol | it stacked up 3 different events on a weekend |
| 03:02.02 | NightHawkTheSane | beautiful, no? :D |
| 03:02.09 | Legorol | by scourge event i mean the argent dawn stuff |
| 03:02.20 | Legorol | we had zombies killing argent dawn NPCs so people couldn't pick up the Kara quest |
| 03:02.22 | NightHawkTheSane | The old naxx invasion, y eah |
| 03:02.24 | seebs | Yeah. And a weekend when many players can't log in because character transfers are broken, instances are acting up, many people can't log in at all, and so on. |
| 03:02.25 | Legorol | that's really disruptive |
| 03:02.38 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: thats every weekend :p |
| 03:02.43 | seebs | Not like this. |
| 03:02.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: the naxx invasion redux and the zombies are obxiously linked, though. its not like they planned them separately |
| 03:02.56 | seebs | The server problems are worse now than they have been in quite a while, so far as I can tell. |
| 03:03.06 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: absolutely |
| 03:03.12 | seebs | But yeah, the overlap with Hallow's End certainly sucks for me; I wanted to run that with a friend this weekend. |
| 03:03.17 | NightHawkTheSane | well, yeah, but there's also been a massive increase in instancing and playing |
| 03:03.19 | Legorol | but notice how it plays out: zombies are disruptive. Naxx invasion is short-lived and fun. |
| 03:03.26 | Legorol | Zombies disrupt your ability to play the Naxx invasion. |
| 03:03.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: imo, working as intended. :P |
| 03:03.52 | Legorol | Is it though? |
| 03:04.08 | Legorol | AD quest givers that give Kara quest around only until your server farms the necessary amount of invaders. |
| 03:04.16 | Legorol | Said quest givers are in the meantime being killed by zombies. |
| 03:04.23 | Legorol | Whilst lorewise that's really neat, |
| 03:04.28 | Legorol | player experience wise that's really poor |
| 03:04.39 | NightHawkTheSane | there are multiple quest givers, and they repop reasonably fast, so its not as if you -CANT- get the quest if you really try |
| 03:04.43 | Legorol | You need to get lucky to catch the NPCs alive to get the quest, and hope to hell your realm doesn't complete the event before you do |
| 03:05.00 | Legorol | true, i'm exaggerating a bit |
| 03:05.04 | NightHawkTheSane | I've yet to have any issue getting the quest, really |
| 03:05.07 | Legorol | just trying to illustrate some of the frustrating elements |
| 03:05.14 | Legorol | auctioneers on vacation for a few days? fine |
| 03:05.17 | seebs | And in the mean time, I wanted to get my roommate into WoW this weekend since her new laptop just showed up. |
| 03:05.23 | Legorol | special NPCs here for a few days, but you can't get to them? not fine |
| 03:05.25 | seebs | Looks like the answer is "hell no". |
| 03:06.32 | NightHawkTheSane | I've honestly yet to see any huge playability problems |
| 03:06.43 | seebs | It seems to vary a lot from one server to another. |
| 03:06.48 | Legorol | indeed |
| 03:06.53 | NightHawkTheSane | well, thing is, there's people whining about it on the server |
| 03:06.55 | Legorol | on my realm, zombies were camping the AD NPCs in IF |
| 03:07.11 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 03:07.19 | seebs | I wonder if I can borrow the Spousal Account to test my theory. |
| 03:07.26 | NightHawkTheSane | i just don't see it at all. sure, sometimes an npc is dead, but most often I can still do what i need to do. I may just have to go somewhere else to do it |
| 03:07.43 | seebs | My theory is that if I created an orc character, he would be dead before I was able to issue commands. |
| 03:08.00 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: I think the problem is that you aren't able to put yourself in the position of someone who has a slightly different perception of the event. |
| 03:08.20 | Legorol | Although my perception of it agrees with you 100%, I am able to understand how those perceive it whose differ from mine. |
| 03:08.53 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, i can understand the point of view of a lot of the complaints |
| 03:08.57 | seebs | Now taking bets: If I can get access, anyone want to bet on whether Brainbuffet the orc warrior (assuming the name isn't taken) will survive the intro movie? |
| 03:09.04 | NightHawkTheSane | and under other circumstances i might agree |
| 03:09.10 | Legorol | I feel that you aren't giving enough legitimacy to other people's perception of the event |
| 03:09.26 | Legorol | Seebs: i think he will |
| 03:09.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: I feel that other people are whiners. |
| 03:09.34 | Legorol | see? |
| 03:09.43 | Legorol | calling them whiners denies their legitimacy |
| 03:09.50 | seebs | Last I heard, the Durotar spawn point was pretty heavily camped. |
| 03:10.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: no, i have no problem with the legitamacy of their perceptions of the event. only their "wah wah, i want my way" attitude |
| 03:10.37 | Legorol | You should always be tolerant and accept that something that may not bother you might bother other people. Call it cultural differences. |
| 03:10.54 | NightHawkTheSane | I do accept that it bothers them, thats not the problem :) |
| 03:10.56 | Legorol | well, it's a bit difficult to put it like you did |
| 03:11.04 | Legorol | it's very closely interlinked |
| 03:11.27 | Legorol | because that's exactly what we are talking about here: freedom of choice |
| 03:11.48 | Legorol | those people say "i want my way" precisely because their perception of the game environment is that it's about having their way |
| 03:12.04 | Legorol | they disagree with a game environment where they had liberties removed |
| 03:12.09 | NightHawkTheSane | those people are wrong. :) |
| 03:12.43 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: durtoar is entirely zombie free here.. |
| 03:12.58 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: how can they be wrong? they are just expressing an opinion |
| 03:13.33 | seebs | Logged in safely, but there were corpses of L1 newbies there. |
| 03:13.34 | Corrodias | the only way an opinion can be wrong is if the person is being dishonest about what they believe |
| 03:13.42 | seebs | Who hadn't released, so presumably they just quit. |
| 03:13.45 | NightHawkTheSane | opinions can be wrong, quite often |
| 03:13.52 | Corrodias | you don't know what an opinion is, then |
| 03:13.58 | Legorol | i 2nd that |
| 03:14.01 | Corrodias | it is an expression of personal preferences |
| 03:14.10 | seebs | I haven't seen any "wah wah, i want my way" attitude. Well, okay, some. But not much. |
| 03:14.10 | Corrodias | applied experience, perhaps, but never fact |
| 03:14.35 | seebs | So it looks like it's not being camped right now, but it has been. |
| 03:14.35 | Legorol | I agree that the language in which those opinions are stated are poor |
| 03:14.45 | Corrodias | "people will be happier if this event ends now" is not an opinion; it is a statement of, perhaps, false fact |
| 03:14.49 | Legorol | That doesn't detract much from the validity of the opinion though |
| 03:15.08 | Legorol | Corrodias: stick an "i think" in front of it and then it's an opinion :) |
| 03:15.25 | Corrodias | but then it can't be wrong unless they are actually NOT thinking that |
| 03:15.34 | Legorol | many statements of fact are in fact opinions expressed too strongly |
| 03:15.50 | Coren{de} | is that a fact? :> |
| 03:15.52 | seebs | Yah. I think there would be no real harm to the event from setting newbie areas to be completely zombie-immune. I could be wrong, but I really see no downside for any of the actual players pursuing the lore. |
| 03:15.56 | NightHawkTheSane | opinions based on inaccurate/uninformed information are inherently wrong |
| 03:16.13 | Legorol | no, they are still just opinions |
| 03:16.36 | seebs | I sort of see what you're getting at, NH. There are opinions which are useless because they're really conclusions based on false premises. |
| 03:16.52 | Corrodias | opinion: raiding is more fun than pvp |
| 03:16.53 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: pretty much exactly |
| 03:17.02 | Corrodias | fact: more people enjoy raiding than enjoy pvp |
| 03:17.15 | Corrodias | (that may be wrong, but it's not an opinion) |
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| 03:17.41 | Legorol | I'd rephrase NN's statement |
| 03:17.47 | seebs | The magic about opinions is that people holding contradictory positions can both be right, as opinions are at least partially a matter of personal preference. |
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| 03:18.04 | Legorol | I think that opinions based on inaccurate/uninformed information is a very weak and not very interesting opiion, |
| 03:18.09 | Legorol | but you can't attribute a rightness or wrongness to it |
| 03:18.28 | NightHawkTheSane | well, maybe not right or wrong, sure. but certianly invalidity |
| 03:18.30 | Corrodias | let me put it this way. you cannot prove an opinion to be true or false. |
| 03:18.44 | seebs | But for instance, I think the game designers should have come up with some kind of safety valve for the smallish set of users to whom the event is disasterous. |
| 03:18.52 | Tekkub | you can't prove ANYTHING |
| 03:19.02 | seebs | I don't know how, but it woulda been nice to accomplish. |
| 03:19.02 | NightHawkTheSane | I have no problems dismissing, out of hand, any opinion based on inaccurate information, or from an ignorant source |
| 03:19.03 | Corrodias | don't get all nihilist on me, teks :) |
| 03:19.18 | Coren{de} | you cannot prove axioms, but you can prove whatever you conclude from the axioms :) |
| 03:19.56 | Tekkub | no, YOU can |
| 03:19.58 | seebs | Hmm. Just as a wildly different example, you remember the thing about the Pokemon show that caused seizures? |
| 03:20.01 | Tekkub | or can you? |
| 03:20.04 | NightHawkTheSane | now, the real question is, how does this relate to the universal imperetive :p |
| 03:20.05 | Tekkub | prove it! |
| 03:20.22 | Coren{de} | it's one of the axioms that I don't have to prove ;p |
| 03:20.31 | seebs | Obviously, it affected a very small number of people. However, a lot of TV shows changed the way they did some graphics to avoid triggering that, because the harm to the TINY number of people was huge. |
| 03:20.37 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, its not ONE OF the axioms, it's THE axiom. |
| 03:20.40 | seebs | No one said "well, why not just have these kids not watch Pokemon". |
| 03:21.05 | Tekkub | pfft, stupid people with defective brains |
| 03:21.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 03:21.20 | Tekkub | lern2solderbetter |
| 03:21.27 | seebs | For an event like this, I think it makes sense to have some kind of way for the <1% of users who are adversely affected to get clear information about how to avoid it and when it'll be over. |
| 03:21.36 | seebs | I mean, really adversely affected, not just "annoyed". |
| 03:21.47 | Tekkub | seebs, is this causing PHYSICAL HARM to people? |
| 03:21.54 | seebs | 'cuz, see, yeah, some times it's "defective brains", but people with defective brains don't really get much of a choice. |
| 03:21.56 | Coren{de} | well, in a virtual game, how can you be affected, really? =) |
| 03:22.08 | Corrodias | Tekkub: it is when i punch little children because i'm frustrated |
| 03:22.14 | Coren{de} | rofl |
| 03:22.14 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: I can agree, for the extreme miniority, it might have been nice. But I can't imagine a scenario where that's not exploitable by the MULTITUTES of people who just feel a little antsy about things they can't control :p |
| 03:22.21 | Tekkub | that's just your defective brain |
| 03:22.30 | Tekkub | it's your fault, not the game's |
| 03:22.32 | Corrodias | phht, you sound like my warden |
| 03:22.35 | qz | how do i trim string to certain length? |
| 03:22.42 | seebs | Okay, my personal case: I have stage 2 hypertension (so high-stress things are genuinely, severely, dangerous to me). And I have mental disorders, such that PvP is that stressful to me. The moment I realized the zombie event was PvP, I logged out. |
| 03:22.59 | Coren{de} | strsub("foobar", 2, 4) == "oo" |
| 03:23.06 | Tekkub | okey, so what's the problem? |
| 03:23.07 | seebs | Normally I play WoW to relax, and I find it very pleasant, and it helps me a lot... |
| 03:23.12 | Tekkub | also, the event isn't pvp :P |
| 03:23.15 | seebs | The problem is that I was ALREADY harmed. |
| 03:23.17 | Tekkub | if it was I'd hate it |
| 03:23.22 | qz | Coren{de}, doesnt work if string has non-latin chars |
| 03:23.26 | seebs | Not much, sure, but a chance-of-heart-attack is a Bad Thing. |
| 03:23.39 | seebs | It's "PvP" for purposes of my defective brain. :) |
| 03:24.01 | seebs | There's some horror stories from players with PTSD, for instance. Sure, very very few people are affected that way. |
| 03:24.27 | Coren{de} | qz: good to know that :D |
| 03:24.28 | seebs | But the effect on them can be devastating, and letting them know when it will be "safe" again (safe-to-player, not necessarily safe-to-character) seems like a no-brainer. |
| 03:24.32 | Tekkub | okey, I have to say anyone who has PTSD and plays a game where THINGS DIE is just asking for shit |
| 03:24.46 | seebs | Not necessarily. Different people are triggered by very different things. |
| 03:24.48 | Tekkub | OMG OMG I KILLED THAT RABBIT |
| 03:24.51 | qz | non-latin strings support in lua is so fucked up |
| 03:24.58 | Tekkub | OMG OMG I KILLED THAT DORF |
| 03:25.00 | qz | i really wonder how blizzard managed to do ui on that |
| 03:25.06 | seebs | Read up more on PTSD, your stereotype is implausible. :) |
| 03:25.14 | Tekkub | I don't want to |
| 03:25.16 | Tekkub | :P |
| 03:25.30 | NightHawkTheSane | qz: magic. |
| 03:25.31 | Tekkub | sorry, I lived with a psychotic bitch that used PTSD as her excuse |
| 03:25.36 | Corrodias | if stereotypes were true, they'd have to avoid putting fried chicken in the game lest the black players get too excited |
| 03:25.38 | seebs | Fair enough. But in any event, no, it's not unreasonable for someone with PTSD who is freaked out by only certain things to play a game in which they are sure those things don't occur. |
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| 03:25.43 | seebs | Ahh, okay. |
| 03:25.50 | seebs | I can sympathize, I've met those. |
| 03:25.57 | qz | NightHawkTheSane, or shitload of own libraries that do stuff that should be in language core in first place |
| 03:26.10 | NightHawkTheSane | qz: probably a lot of it may be in C |
| 03:26.13 | Tekkub | and it wasn't the PTSD, it was her DRINKING |
| 03:26.18 | seebs | I have a surprisingly large number of friends with clinical mental disorders. It's become a topic of some interest. |
| 03:26.32 | qz | yeah, but addons dont have access to it? |
| 03:26.38 | NightHawkTheSane | nope |
| 03:26.39 | Coren{de} | qz, lua says there's also string.bytes("foo", from, to)... but I don't think that'll make you happier :> |
| 03:26.50 | Tekkub | and the PTSD wasn't the cause of her drinking, because she never ever drank anything except beer |
| 03:26.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Coren{de}: thats actually worse |
| 03:27.20 | seebs | So in my case, all I really want out of them is a deadline for when it will be safe for me to log in and play. I actually really admire most of the world event; if they'd protected the 1-5 zones, I'd think it was pretty well planned. |
| 03:27.26 | seebs | Actually, very well planned, at that point. |
| 03:27.28 | Coren{de} | Night, depends... if he implements what's necessary to identify the subgroups of the utf8 stream... it's not impossible |
| 03:27.32 | qz | there definitely should be an ace addon to work with strings .. =p |
| 03:28.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Coren{de}: not impossible, no. but a sane substr would do that already |
| 03:28.36 | Tekkub | "work with strings"? |
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| 03:29.09 | NightHawkTheSane | the issue is that by selecting bytes you need to figure out how many bytes a character is >< |
| 03:29.16 | qz | Tekkub, at least substr, strlen and stuff |
| 03:29.19 | Coren{de} | sane, now... would require a whole different attitude at some ends :> like not adding new return values in the middle and stuff ~ |
| 03:29.30 | Tekkub | ... |
| 03:29.37 | qz | hrm? |
| 03:29.54 | Tekkub | I still don't understand what the need is you want to fulfil |
| 03:30.12 | qz | i need to get substring out of a string |
| 03:30.17 | Coren{de} | well... I remember that 0..127 = one char, and I think it's 128..192 = two chars, but after that... |
| 03:30.22 | qz | say from 5th to 10th character |
| 03:30.44 | qz | and i cba to write a function to do that. it should be in language ;) |
| 03:31.19 | Coren{de} | different angle... why do you want to do it? =) |
| 03:31.33 | Tekkub | right I've been sent to collect your testicles |
| 03:31.37 | |Yssaril| | qz: wont string.sub (s, i [, j]) do the job? |
| 03:31.43 | Coren{de} | can't you just stick to the atoms and split at spaces and keep the tokens opaque? |
| 03:31.53 | qz | |Yssaril|, not if string contains non-latin chars |
| 03:32.29 | qz | Coren{de}, there are more places where you need string operations than ways to skin a cat =p |
| 03:35.21 | Coren{de} | qz, if you say so... still... otoh I never had issues with strsub, and being on a German and a French server, I see plenty of 2-byte chars |
| 03:36.00 | Coren{de} | though... no, they all fit into iso8859, strike that |
| 03:36.38 | NightHawkTheSane | the issue is probably the 4-byte characters |
| 03:36.55 | |Yssaril| | Coren{de}: german/french are still considered latin problem is proabbaly with asian/slavic characters |
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| 03:37.58 | Codex| | whats the poly turtle name now? |
| 03:37.59 | Coren{de} | well, I dunno, I'd have thought they do utf8 in general... utf8 + iso8859 doesn't mix well |
| 03:38.04 | Codex| | Polymorph(Rank 1: Turtle) isnt working anymore |
| 03:38.21 | qz | yay.. string.utf8sub |
| 03:38.53 | Yssaril | Codayus: Polymorph(Turtle) ? |
| 03:39.06 | Codex| | let me try, sec |
| 03:39.14 | ScytheBlade1 | shift-click it |
| 03:39.16 | seebs | I think the ranks may be gone. You shouldn't need it. |
| 03:39.55 | Codex| | woot <3 |
| 03:39.56 | seebs | Wow, this customer service survey page is dead, dead, dead. They must have sent out a ton of those surveys. |
| 03:40.00 | Codex| | thats why me macro broke |
| 03:40.28 | Coren{de} | qz, where did you find *that*? =) |
| 03:41.23 | seebs | Oooh. |
| 03:41.28 | seebs | qz, that is seriously cool. |
| 03:42.11 | AnduinLothar | zombies keep killing the battleground queuers |
| 03:42.19 | Corrodias | hahahah! |
| 03:42.26 | Corrodias | take THAT, organized pvp! |
| 03:42.53 | seebs | Maybe you can go to the ones out in the middle of nowhere? |
| 03:43.10 | seebs | Like, the elves and orcs actually NEAR Warsong, instead of the ones in the cities? |
| 03:43.15 | AnduinLothar | i'll have to, but then of course you can only do 1 at a time |
| 03:43.35 | Yssaril | Tekkub: may i use some of your code from Kennel? |
| 03:43.45 | Tekkub | NO |
| 03:43.59 | Tekkub | you know, I think that's what I'll start doing when people ask |
| 03:44.31 | AnduinLothar | saying no? |
| 03:44.37 | AnduinLothar | or writing it into a lib |
| 03:44.46 | Tekkub | saying no |
| 03:44.47 | Tekkub | :P |
| 03:45.08 | AnduinLothar | Tekkub's DRM? |
| 03:45.25 | Tekkub | only if it breaks for users on vista or mac |
| 03:45.36 | Tekkub | I don't trust them either |
| 03:45.47 | AnduinLothar | if IsMacClient() then return end |
| 03:46.22 | Tekkub | if IsMacClient() then do x = 1 until x == 0 end |
| 03:52.04 | Coren{de} | for _, x in pairs(available_drives) do format x; done; crash_system(); |
| 03:52.11 | kd3 | whee. looks like the hotfix went in |
| 03:52.31 | Tekkub | which HOT they fix? |
| 03:52.36 | Tekkub | *HoT |
| 03:52.43 | kd3 | more necropoli have spawned |
| 03:52.50 | Tekkub | oh |
| 03:52.55 | Tekkub | I'm disappointed there |
| 03:53.05 | Tekkub | it's the old l60 naxx rewards |
| 03:53.11 | kd3 | neg |
| 03:53.15 | Tekkub | they coulda updated it |
| 03:53.16 | kd3 | lev 70 goodies |
| 03:53.34 | Tekkub | hrm... maybe they got diff quests if you're 70 |
| 03:53.37 | Tekkub | I was 68 |
| 03:53.59 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Argent_War_Horn |
| 03:54.10 | Tekkub | huh huh blow my horn |
| 03:54.43 | Tekkub | well hell, now I got reason to do it |
| 03:59.20 | seebs | Man, I would mind the errors from the customer survey less if the back button worked. |
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| 04:12.30 | [SW]Dodge | where to find argent invaders for necrotic runes? :D |
| 04:13.18 | [SW]Dodge | s/argent/undead/ |
| 04:13.58 | kd3 | check your world map |
| 04:14.01 | kd3 | if you see skulls, go there |
| 04:14.12 | seebs | WOOT! I submitted my customer service survey. |
| 04:14.15 | seebs | It only took about 15 tries. |
| 04:14.38 | [SW]Dodge | kd3: thanks =) |
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| 04:25.47 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.14 | NightHawkTheSane | My shaman has 4x Hallowed wand - Random, 67x Toothpics, countless fucking candy. AND NO GODDAMN PET |
| 04:27.20 | NightHawkTheSane | on an unrelated note. has anyone noticed the shade-like things hanging around in various places? |
| 04:27.25 | NightHawkTheSane | untargetable.. |
| 04:27.26 | Tekkub | fucking random wands don't count for the achievement either |
| 04:27.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i know.. |
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| 04:31.05 | seebs | Poor NH. I think my shammy's got no toothpicks yet, 4 random wands, and leper gnome and wisp. |
| 04:31.09 | seebs | And no pet. |
| 04:31.10 | kaiden | Is combat swords still a good rogue spec? even in 3.0? (best rogue dps spec)? or is there a better pve spec now? |
| 04:31.31 | Godzmack- | mutilate is better according to blues |
| 04:31.46 | seebs | Not to be picky, but... |
| 04:31.55 | seebs | Given the history of game balance decisions they've got, should we trust them? |
| 04:32.09 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: i trust them more than the people who post on the forums. |
| 04:32.18 | Cide | seebs: "trust them"? |
| 04:32.23 | Cide | do you have any choice? |
| 04:32.33 | NightHawkTheSane | in fact, ultimately, i trust them more than anyone else. they're the only people who know, absolutely, how everything works |
| 04:32.42 | Cide | exactly |
| 04:32.52 | seebs | Ahh, the shades are probably from Haunted Mementos. |
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| 04:33.02 | NightHawkTheSane | haunted mementos? |
| 04:33.14 | seebs | They seem to be mediocre at thinking through how abilities will interact or synergize, though. |
| 04:33.14 | kaiden | where exactly have they stated that mutilate is better? just wondering |
| 04:33.22 | Cide | seebs: lol |
| 04:33.25 | Cide | give me a break |
| 04:34.21 | NightHawkTheSane | kaiden: they did't say "mutilate is better, don't go swords", they'd never say that, obvoiusly.. but.. |
| 04:34.21 | NightHawkTheSane | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/7/11676577982-upcoming-boss-armor-change.html |
| 04:34.33 | NightHawkTheSane | "Combat builds, especially swords, is competitive but probably behind Assassination. This is something we'd like to address, " |
| 04:35.15 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: ahh, haunted mementos, wowhead ftw. neat |
| 04:36.09 | seebs | Yup. |
| 04:36.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i was just on my way to kill some scourge. need to buy an AD tabard |
| 04:36.34 | seebs | I dunno. Look at all the stuff about ret balance. Either they were wrong before or they're wrong now, but clearly, one or another of these Blue positions is seriously very wrong. |
| 04:37.46 | NightHawkTheSane | no one said they couldn't be wrong, but ultimately they still have more information than any player |
| 04:41.35 | bleeter | BBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNZZZZZZZZZZ |
| 04:42.23 | bleeter | 9 hours later, tanaris is still under attack :/ |
| 04:42.30 | seebs | They do have more information, but I think they sometimes miss things in their analysis which players get right. |
| 04:42.45 | Tekkub | none of outr shit's under attack :P |
| 04:42.47 | bleeter | oh well least the other spawn points seem operational that's a sure ++ :D |
| 04:43.07 | bleeter | Tekkub: heh, you're not worthy :P |
| 04:43.16 | NightHawkTheSane | supposedly winterspring is under attack, but hell if i can find it |
| 04:43.39 | kd3 | camp by the demons down south and one relatively close to everlook iirc |
| 04:43.39 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: one spawn point was south along the road, iirc kinda opposite the moonkin valley part |
| 04:43.46 | bleeter | the other up near the wintersabres |
| 04:44.04 | bleeter | ah hadn't heard of the one near the demons |
| 04:44.12 | kd3 | meh, down the road somewhere |
| 04:44.13 | kd3 | that's it |
| 04:44.24 | bleeter | lol fair enough |
| 04:44.55 | bleeter | i'm suprised at the number of people who seem to think they can tag the elite mob from the summons without handing in the runes |
| 04:45.12 | bleeter | but that's ok, means I don't need to do as much damage and take fewer hits :D |
| 04:45.23 | kd3 | meh. I summoned one and didn't get the tag |
| 04:45.56 | bleeter | odd, seemed to work that way for us every time... maybe it's the superior oceanic lag thing goingm= on |
| 04:46.06 | NightHawkTheSane | hmmm |
| 04:46.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i may have figured out why i cant find the spawns. i appear to hav been d/cd for some time |
| 04:46.30 | kd3 | rofl |
| 04:46.31 | Tekkub | lol |
| 04:46.34 | kaiden | NightHawkTheSane: hrm in the case of that post i wouldn't mind trying out assassination, do you have a cookie cutter spec that i can look at maybe? :) |
| 04:46.36 | bleeter | hah |
| 04:46.58 | NightHawkTheSane | kaiden: no, I don't play a rogue, and i was never fond of assassination when i did |
| 04:47.51 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm and now i cant even log in >.> |
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| 05:09.29 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 05:09.39 | Tekkub | so they added NR to the boat zoning map |
| 05:09.44 | Tekkub | but didn't adjust the paths |
| 05:10.05 | Tekkub | the menethil --> theramore boat sales through land |
| 05:10.24 | Tekkub | *sails |
| 05:10.53 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, the beta boards don't accept logins... that intentional? |
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| 05:13.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: >.> menethil -> theramoor? doesn't that just hop across the ocean there? |
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| 05:13.30 | Tekkub | it skits up north across gilneas |
| 05:13.45 | NightHawkTheSane | weird. |
| 05:14.43 | Tekkub | oh yea, tanaris is a clusterfuck, not gonna get any there |
| 05:15.55 | Tekkub | this is just as bad as the naxx version was |
| 05:17.35 | NightHawkTheSane | probably worse, actually.. we're all 70 now |
| 05:18.01 | Tekkub | I mean the fact that it's just a game of "who can tag em first" |
| 05:18.09 | Tekkub | with a shitty repop rate |
| 05:18.24 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, thats what im saying. its far easier to tag more, faster, at 70 than it wa sat 60 :p |
| 05:19.42 | Tekkub | I love people that repot a bug and state that they have version x, which is the latest... and the error they reported was FIXED in that version |
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| 05:20.47 | Tekkub | StealYourCarbon\StealYourCarbon.lua:44: UpgradeWater() |
| 05:20.57 | Tekkub | line 44 in the version he says he has: "end" |
| 05:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I still laugh at the name of that addon |
| 05:21.34 | Tekkub | 2 people in azshara, I'll have better luck here |
| 05:26.06 | Codex| | ~seen kaso |
| 05:26.08 | purl | kaso <n=Kaso@78.151.165.69> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 10h 30m 21s ago, saying: 'damn everyone else who has a name with "k"'. |
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| 05:32.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man, Molten Core |
| 05:32.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Gives me memories of CTRA |
| 05:43.52 | Codex| | on wowhead, Living Bomb has 2 of each rank, each with a different spell id |
| 05:43.56 | Codex| | how do you know which one is used in the game |
| 05:44.48 | Corrodias | is one used by the mob and the other by the player who gets hit by it? |
| 05:44.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Check the spellid in game or by combat log |
| 05:44.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Or both rather, would be hest |
| 05:45.00 | ScytheBlade1 | *best |
| 05:45.05 | Codex| | how to check in game? |
| 05:45.12 | ScytheBlade1 | GetSpellInto() or similar |
| 05:45.15 | Corrodias | how do i checked ID |
| 05:45.17 | Corrodias | lol i dunno |
| 05:45.46 | Codex| | scythe- how do i use that? |
| 05:45.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Dunno. Check the spellbook API |
| 05:46.06 | Codex| | thanks |
| 05:46.08 | ScytheBlade1 | *GetSpellInfo |
| 05:46.09 | Nargiddley | Look at the effect section on wowhead. one is the periodic debuff the other is the explosion |
| 05:46.20 | Codex| | thanks |
| 05:49.44 | kd3 | egah |
| 05:49.55 | kd3 | a guild's camping the port location in stormwind's mage tower |
| 05:49.57 | kd3 | zone in and zombie |
| 05:50.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 05:50.05 | kd3 | sigh |
| 05:50.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I did that not long ago :) |
| 05:50.22 | Codex| | if im getting an error but someone else doesnt get the error: |
| 05:50.23 | Codex| | Frozen-1.0\Frozen.lua:86: attempt to index global 'AceGUIWidgetLSMlists' (a nil value) |
| 05:50.28 | Codex| | whats it liekly to be from? |
| 05:50.39 | seebs | Possibly addon load order different? |
| 05:51.22 | Redguard | kd3 that's a smart idea |
| 05:51.22 | Codex| | how do you fix that >.> |
| 05:51.22 | Redguard | uh |
| 05:51.22 | Redguard | you make the array |
| 05:52.01 | seebs | Fixing that can be pretty tricky. If it's to do with embedded libraries or something, it can be a real pain, and I've never found a real solution. |
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| 05:52.33 | Tekkub | so not fair |
| 05:52.36 | Tekkub | I got a purple |
| 05:52.39 | Tekkub | and it's cloth |
| 05:52.42 | Tekkub | and I'm a pally |
| 05:52.47 | seebs | Aww. |
| 05:52.48 | Tekkub | and it's fucking bound |
| 05:53.09 | seebs | You know, it'd be great if there were a "Vendor" profession which let you buy soulbound items. |
| 05:53.36 | Tekkub | I'd be happy with more crap being BtA |
| 05:54.34 | Codex| | and where do u grab the path of an ingame icon from |
| 05:54.44 | Codex| | such as interface\icons\ |
| 05:54.49 | Tekkub | wowhead? |
| 05:54.54 | Tekkub | doubleclick an icon |
| 05:55.12 | Codex| | nifty! |
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| 05:55.27 | Codex| | seebs: was there a way to update all embedded libraries? |
| 05:55.40 | seebs | There was. Past tense. |
| 05:55.45 | Codex| | the problem was occuring with the addon Frozen, but even after deleting it and its saved files, and re-downloading it, it still happens |
| 05:55.53 | Codex| | so it must be a different ace addon |
| 05:55.55 | seebs | Now that unembedded aren't really supported with wowace, it's much harder. |
| 05:56.04 | seebs | Binary search time. :) |
| 05:56.14 | Codex| | dang |
| 05:56.40 | Codex| | Interface\\Icons\\Ability_Mage_LivingBomb |
| 05:56.41 | Codex| | wicked :) |
| 05:57.58 | Dewin | So.... |
| 05:58.14 | Dewin | Zombification of murloc packs on SSO island = baaaaaaad |
| 05:58.35 | Dewin | Self-reproducing army. |
| 05:58.38 | kd3 | rofl |
| 05:58.45 | Dewin | I started it alone |
| 05:58.53 | Dewin | took me, a 70 mage and a 70 paladin 15 minutes to clear it all |
| 05:59.06 | Dewin | and... that was only half of the island |
| 05:59.39 | Dewin | I already told the people on the island I was done for now (I was going to stop as soon as someone complained) but I really wanted to hit the bloodelf compound |
| 06:00.15 | Dewin | I have screenshots |
| 06:00.18 | Tekkub | and then the innkeeper gives me a penny pouch |
| 06:00.21 | NightHawkTheSane | *laugh* i'm getting bitched at by hordies when i kill them |
| 06:00.25 | Tekkub | FUCK YOU RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR |
| 06:00.32 | Dewin | I finally got a hallowed helm |
| 06:00.39 | Dewin | 30 summons in 2 days does tend to help with that |
| 06:02.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:04.39 | Tekkub | they need to move the necro outside IF up about 5 feet |
| 06:04.45 | Tekkub | you clip into it as you fly out |
| 06:05.01 | Dewin | http://i36.tinypic.com/14lrml1.jpg http://i33.tinypic.com/jude69.jpg |
| 06:05.04 | Dewin | Zombie chaos |
| 06:06.35 | NightHawkTheSane | " /cry Stop killing me" people make me laugh. |
| 06:06.56 | Tekkub | heh, that's like at the IF AH... |
| 06:07.22 | Tekkub | "someone cure disease plz" "no, you're going to die" "oh" .... "lame" |
| 06:07.59 | NightHawkTheSane | i had some dumbass warrior bitch at me for putting down scourge (including players) in org. he went on for like 10 minutes. i laughed |
| 06:09.00 | seebs | Woot! I have mostly convinced roommie to try WoW. |
| 06:09.29 | seebs | This would get me one step closer to having consistent access to players who aren't morons. :) |
| 06:09.41 | NightHawkTheSane | you may want to have her wait a few weeks ;) |
| 06:09.46 | seebs | Yeah. :( |
| 06:09.53 | Tekkub | and then you get him to 80 and discover he's a moron |
| 06:09.57 | NightHawkTheSane | as awesome as all this is, it's rough on newbies |
| 06:10.05 | Tekkub | like a certain chamois I used to live with |
| 06:10.07 | seebs | I was all excited about how the new laptop would make it possible for her to play WoW, unlike her 6-year-old Dell. |
| 06:10.18 | Tekkub | "stop using earthshock" "no you hold aggro better!" |
| 06:10.30 | seebs | She's not a moron. Not tech-savvy (I've seen her confused by left/right mouse buttons a few times), not a gamer, but not stupid. |
| 06:10.55 | seebs | And I'd rather have someone smart than some teenager who plays WoW 8 hours a day during the week and responds to everything with "lol i gess not" |
| 06:11.13 | Tekkub | lol somone just tried to zombie bomb LHC |
| 06:11.20 | Tekkub | NPc took him out in asecond |
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| 06:14.12 | Tekkub | "You cannot sell items to this merchant" that's a first |
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| 06:21.34 | NightHawkTheSane | there ought to be a title for killing a certain number of plagued zombies |
| 06:21.35 | Codex| | seebs: so it runs out, with ALL the addons turned off except for frozen, it still doesnt work |
| 06:21.40 | Codex| | yet it works for seerah, who made it |
| 06:21.56 | Codex| | turns* |
| 06:23.03 | seebs | Interesting. |
| 06:23.08 | seebs | Codex, you on Linux, Mac, or Windows? |
| 06:23.20 | Codex| | windows |
| 06:23.24 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 06:23.28 | seebs | Well, there goes my first theory. :) |
| 06:23.40 | Codex| | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.14 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 06:24.30 | seebs | First thing I'd do, search all the files in it for the string "AceGUIWidgetLSMlists". |
| 06:24.39 | seebs | See whether, say, any other component ought to be creating it. |
| 06:26.27 | Codex| | what if i run AceGUI-3.0-SharedMediaWidgets as a standalone addon |
| 06:26.34 | Codex| | it contains the lib that returns that |
| 06:26.40 | Codex| | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/ace-gui-3-0-shared-media-widgets.aspx |
| 06:26.57 | Codex| | and not as an embedded lib |
| 06:28.39 | Codex| | wow that was ab ad idea |
| 06:28.40 | Codex| | :/ |
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| 06:31.27 | Codex| | seebs: i think my problem is the non-embedded libraries |
| 06:31.35 | Codex| | is there a nice package of them all zipped up for download? |
| 06:31.43 | seebs | No. |
| 06:31.48 | Codex| | the ones just sitting in \addons |
| 06:31.50 | Codex| | ahh dang |
| 06:32.03 | seebs | On WowAce, I used to download all the separate libraries, and the "no-ext" versions of the addons that used them. This fixed a ton of problems. |
| 06:32.13 | seebs | But the new Curse thing won't really let you, so you have to figure out how to do it by hand. |
| 06:32.32 | seebs | I'm thinking of writing a script to look at my addons, disembed embedded libraries, and fix up dependency lines to give the right values. |
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| 06:32.59 | Codex| | i dont see any reason at all this addon wont work- with only it enabled, and it has all the needed built in libraries |
| 06:33.03 | Gnarfoz | seebs: the curse client will let you do that in the future. keep in mind it was *never* intended to be done that way, anyway |
| 06:33.08 | Codex| | would other addon folders that arnet enabled bug it? |
| 06:33.29 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: disabled addons should not get loaded at all. if they did, that'd be a wow bug :X |
| 06:33.49 | seebs | I have never been able to figure out the intended working case for the embedded addons. |
| 06:34.05 | Gnarfoz | the what |
| 06:34.09 | seebs | I've never yet seen a case where all the addons had the same version of a given embedded library, making it impossible for me to speculate as to what's "supposed" to happen. |
| 06:34.22 | Codex| | unless seerah screwed up when he included the libs within his own addon directory |
| 06:34.22 | Gnarfoz | you just don't understand how libraries work, then |
| 06:34.26 | Codex| | but he said it works fine for him |
| 06:34.31 | Gnarfoz | they don't *need* to have the same version, that's the entire point! |
| 06:34.40 | seebs | Now I am confused. |
| 06:34.49 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: which addon is this, and what's not working with it? |
| 06:34.53 | Codex| | Frozen |
| 06:34.58 | Codex| | and is popping an error |
| 06:35.05 | seebs | When I had an old copy of flagRSP2, which contained a very old version of Ace2, it broke all my other Ace2 addons. |
| 06:35.08 | Codex| | if i were to delete all the folders that begin with Lib in my addons dir |
| 06:35.11 | seebs | Removing Ace2 from it made everything work. |
| 06:35.11 | Gnarfoz | where's it at, Codex|? |
| 06:35.11 | Codex| | would it be fine? |
| 06:35.22 | Codex| | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9472-Frozen.html |
| 06:35.39 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: if you have those on "disabled" in wow, that shouldn't make a difference |
| 06:36.02 | Codex| | when i disable libs with LoadIT, and i /rl, some get reloaded |
| 06:36.12 | Gnarfoz | seebs: libraries embedded in addons upgrade each other. you'll end up with only the latest version any of your addons provides |
| 06:36.13 | Codex| | what woul;d happen if i deleted all the external lib**** folders |
| 06:36.17 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 06:36.25 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: wtf is LoadIt? do that on the char selection screen ;) |
| 06:36.29 | seebs | Empirically, it has not always worked, but maybe it only fails if one of them is particularly buggy. |
| 06:36.40 | Codex| | loadit makes it easy :p |
| 06:36.52 | seebs | It may have been that the very old Ace2 had a bug which caused the problem. |
| 06:37.01 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: it also makes it unpredictable? maybe this LoadIt thingy also thinks it should load some of the libs for you... |
| 06:37.22 | seebs | Nonetheless, every time I have mysterious failures where half a dozen addons stop working due to problems with a lib, if I nuke it from all those addons and add a standalone copy, the problem goes away. |
| 06:37.36 | Gnarfoz | seebs: what /might/ have happened is that one of the ace2's you had made the entire upgrade thingy break down. this has happened several times in the early times of Ace2's existance |
| 06:37.47 | seebs | Quite possible. |
| 06:37.50 | Codex| | i thought we're using ace3 now |
| 06:37.52 | Gnarfoz | seebs: yes, because you eliminate the broken copy in the process ;> |
| 06:38.04 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: addon authors might? |
| 06:38.07 | seebs | I think I have some older things that are still Ace2 based, and never got updated. But they work. |
| 06:38.21 | Gnarfoz | yes, and there's really no reason to update them if they work ^^ |
| 06:38.26 | Codex| | well the kicker is, using this addon all alone works for seerah but not for me |
| 06:38.26 | Codex| | :/ |
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| 06:38.44 | Tekkub | where's the necros at in EPL? |
| 06:38.55 | Gnarfoz | Tekkub: same places as before naxx :> |
| 06:39.05 | Tekkub | I never did that zone before :P |
| 06:39.16 | Gnarfoz | weak |
| 06:39.31 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: do I have to be a mage with frost nova (i.e. at least level something) to try if this addon works? |
| 06:40.15 | Gnarfoz | yes, I do... |
| 06:40.36 | Gnarfoz | if select(2, UnitClass("player")) ~= "MAGE" thenreturnend |
| 06:40.38 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 06:40.40 | NightHawkTheSane | yay for druid stunlock |
| 06:41.00 | Codex| | jus tdelete that line so it will still load gnar |
| 06:41.02 | Codex| | :) |
| 06:41.21 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: you didn't answer my question :P |
| 06:41.25 | End | huh |
| 06:41.42 | Codex| | gnar... im going to stop you right there... and point out something weird |
| 06:41.47 | Codex| | i took Frozen |
| 06:42.13 | Codex| | and replaced all the instances of Frost Nova and frostnova and Frozen and replaced it with |
| 06:42.21 | Codex| | Living Bomb livingbomb and Livingbomb |
| 06:42.28 | Codex| | and my version works, but seerahs doesnt |
| 06:42.31 | Codex| | >.> |
| 06:42.31 | Gnarfoz | ?! |
| 06:42.32 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 06:42.37 | End | so |
| 06:42.41 | Gnarfoz | that doesn't make sense at all |
| 06:42.45 | End | umm, DevTools registers all events, right? |
| 06:42.49 | Codex| | my version, which is just his version with a lot of string replaces, works |
| 06:42.51 | Codex| | :? |
| 06:42.52 | End | it should be seeing COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED? |
| 06:42.56 | Gnarfoz | don't randomly change stuff and then complain oO |
| 06:42.58 | ScytheBlade1 | So for TBC's launch |
| 06:43.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I recall that someone wrote an addon that watched zone-specific general for common questions |
| 06:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | And whispered the asker the answer |
| 06:43.23 | Gnarfoz | lol that'd be neat |
| 06:43.26 | End | I don't seem to be getting -any- combat events |
| 06:43.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone recall the name of said mod..? :) |
| 06:43.34 | End | s/combat/combat log/ |
| 06:44.17 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: one error she has is the following: she loads the AceGUI-SharedMediaWidgets lib before LSM |
| 06:44.20 | Gnarfoz | which won't work |
| 06:44.29 | ScytheBlade1 | End: f=CreateFrame("frame") f:RegisterEvent("COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED") f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, event, ...) print(event) end) |
| 06:44.43 | ScytheBlade1 | That work? |
| 06:44.47 | End | nothing |
| 06:44.54 | ScytheBlade1 | o_0 |
| 06:45.02 | End | I'm broken >:( |
| 06:45.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Even if you copy/paste that... nothing? |
| 06:45.10 | Codex| | gnar: my program does the EXACT same as hers, and itworks |
| 06:45.10 | Codex| | :? |
| 06:45.11 | Gnarfoz | do you have a "print()" function? |
| 06:45.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Everyone does now |
| 06:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It was defined as of 3.9 |
| 06:45.23 | End | it'd generate an error if I didn't |
| 06:45.24 | ScytheBlade1 | * 3.0 |
| 06:45.31 | End | but I'm getting nothing at all |
| 06:45.34 | End | so |
| 06:45.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Reset your UI real quick? |
| 06:45.43 | End | that explains why Ithought msbt was buggy |
| 06:45.48 | End | I reloaded it |
| 06:45.51 | End | I'll try relogging though |
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| 06:46.00 | ScytheBlade1 | But even then |
| 06:46.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing should be able to interrupt events like that |
| 06:46.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Prevent them, et |
| 06:46.11 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: I fixed the load order of AceGUI-SharedMediaWidgets + LSM itself and now I get the same error you're getting ;) |
| 06:46.12 | ScytheBlade1 | *etc |
| 06:46.16 | End | but yeah, I stopped using msbt because I thought it was failing |
| 06:46.23 | End | but it's not msbt's fault I guess |
| 06:46.42 | Codex| | gnar: why why would it work in Terrorist (my bomb addon) and not Frozen? |
| 06:46.57 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: it being what, exactly? ^^ |
| 06:46.58 | End | looks like it works again |
| 06:47.06 | Codex| | my addon? |
| 06:47.12 | End | think I should post this in the ui forum, or do you think bug report forum? |
| 06:47.15 | Codex| | scans for Living Bomb rather than Frost Nova |
| 06:47.20 | Codex| | and gives a countdown bar |
| 06:47.21 | End | I mean, it's slouken's baby, isn't it? |
| 06:47.40 | ScytheBlade1 | End: reset your UI first |
| 06:47.53 | Codex| | gnar: can you tell me how to change the order of hers so it loads and works? |
| 06:47.55 | ScytheBlade1 | (Rename Interface and WTF to something else and test) |
| 06:47.57 | Gnarfoz | End: it's Iriel's, actually |
| 06:48.00 | End | I did a reloadui, and it didn't help |
| 06:48.05 | End | I completely relogged |
| 06:48.07 | End | and it did help |
| 06:48.07 | ScytheBlade1 | No no, full reset |
| 06:48.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Stock UI |
| 06:48.17 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: it errors, actually. I get the line 83 error about AceGUIWidgetLSMlists |
| 06:48.18 | ScytheBlade1 | No custom settings, nothing |
| 06:48.19 | End | oh right |
| 06:48.20 | End | I see |
| 06:48.25 | End | except |
| 06:48.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Just rename Interface and WTF to like Interface.old, WTF.old |
| 06:48.33 | End | I already logged in and then back out again |
| 06:48.36 | ScytheBlade1 | And try with a simple test macro |
| 06:48.43 | End | since reloadui doesn't fix it, I'll have to wait til it breaks again |
| 06:48.54 | End | since I already fixed it by logged out completely |
| 06:48.56 | Codex| | gnar: can i send you my version and you see why it DOESNT err? |
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| 06:49.33 | Gnarfoz | how would I know why something doesn't error? also please use tab-completing or something :P I don't highlight on just 'gnar' :p |
| 06:50.02 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: also, sure |
| 06:50.05 | ScytheBlade1 | That is really weird, End |
| 06:50.10 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: gnarfoz@gmail.com |
| 06:50.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Does it reliably stop working on reload? |
| 06:50.25 | End | it's not that it stops working on reload |
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| 06:50.34 | End | reloading doesn't fix it though |
| 06:50.44 | End | I'll have to pay more attention though |
| 06:50.45 | Codex| | Gnarfoz: also, the actual timer in the program, supports counting down from 9.9 to 0 |
| 06:50.54 | Codex| | and but i use it to track living bomb, which is 12 |
| 06:50.55 | End | since so far my only observation is "it stops working sometimes" |
| 06:51.05 | Codex| | 12.9-> 10.0, the last decimal place is knocked off |
| 06:51.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Perform a full reset, see if it breaks with a simplistic test addon |
| 06:51.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Level an alt or something |
| 06:51.21 | Codex| | and i cant find where to change the width of the number part |
| 06:51.22 | Codex| | :/ |
| 06:51.25 | End | I suppose I could level my hunter :P |
| 06:51.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd have my money on "some addon is breaking it" but... addons shouldn't be able to break it |
| 06:51.35 | End | wait, I dun wanna go without tourguide! |
| 06:51.39 | End | I'll make a new alt! |
| 06:51.56 | Codex| | Gnarfoz: sent |
| 06:52.11 | ScytheBlade1 | meh, oldschool leveling ftw :) |
| 06:52.30 | End | I've -always- had addons |
| 06:52.42 | End | first I had cosmos, and then a patch came the next day :P |
| 06:53.19 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 06:53.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean in terms of tourguide/questhelper/etc |
| 06:53.36 | Codex| | also, where is it i change the slash configuration from /Terrorist to /terrorist? theres no implicit declaration in frozen where its frozen |
| 06:53.39 | End | lol intro movie! |
| 06:53.40 | End | :P |
| 06:54.01 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: lol at that totally useless disclaimer in your mail, btw ;D |
| 06:54.16 | Codex| | lol thanks |
| 06:54.22 | Codex| | oh i found the answer to my last q |
| 06:54.23 | Codex| | LibStub("AceConfig-3.0"):RegisterOptionsTable("Frozen", options, {"frozen", "fr"}) |
| 06:55.13 | Codex| | now why does mine work and seerahs doesnt, when they are 100% the same minus some spell ids and names |
| 06:55.21 | ScytheBlade1 | brb |
| 06:55.55 | Codex| | ghost in the code! |
| 06:56.07 | Codex| | my line 86 == her line 86 |
| 06:56.09 | Codex| | :/ |
| 06:56.41 | Gnarfoz | 83, actually |
| 06:56.43 | Codex| | i lied, my 84 is her 86 |
| 06:57.02 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: whatever, the libs thingy is: swap the last two lines of embeds.xml around. |
| 06:57.08 | Gnarfoz | you *should* be getting an error from there oO |
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| 06:58.00 | End | well, I immediately thought it was broken because I didn't have parrot anymore... |
| 06:58.05 | Codex| | <Include file="Libs\LibSharedMedia-3.0\lib.xml" /> before <Include file="Libs\AceGUI-3.0-SharedMediaWidgets\widget.xml" />? |
| 06:58.06 | Codex| | ok one sec |
| 06:58.33 | Codex| | ok i switched it on both of them, ill see which one works |
| 06:59.05 | Codex| | Gnarfoz: ill assume </Ui> doesnt count as a line :) |
| 06:59.20 | Legorol | Does anyone know if there is a good way to know the locations of scourge invasion points within a zone? |
| 06:59.27 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: yeah, I assumed you'd figure that one out ;) |
| 06:59.35 | Codex| | I swapped the last 2 lines of both Gnarfoz, and mine still loads, and hers doesnt |
| 06:59.36 | Codex| | :/ |
| 06:59.51 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: when I load both of them, none error. :X |
| 07:00.04 | Gnarfoz | actually, no |
| 07:00.10 | Codex| | i deleted frozen, i deleted the saved vars |
| 07:00.14 | Codex| | totally clean |
| 07:00.24 | Codex| | and i even used the nonloading frozen to build terrorist |
| 07:00.24 | Gnarfoz | why am I not getting a settings dialog in the addon options for Terrorist? |
| 07:00.34 | Codex| | its a lowercase t |
| 07:00.40 | Codex| | uppcase** |
| 07:00.49 | Gnarfoz | line #? |
| 07:00.49 | Codex| | Terrorist* |
| 07:00.53 | Codex| | no, in game |
| 07:00.58 | Codex| | type /Terrorist config |
| 07:01.01 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 07:01.03 | Codex| | i fixed that in my latest version, lol |
| 07:01.06 | Gnarfoz | why isn't appearing in the addon settings |
| 07:01.13 | Gnarfoz | escape > interface > addons |
| 07:01.24 | Codex| | it is for me :/ |
| 07:01.30 | Gnarfoz | what did you change last? |
| 07:01.37 | ScytheBlade1 | End: after thinking about it a bit (and rebooting...) there really is nothing that should just stop the events. I'd probably post about it (but not point it at the blues directly) |
| 07:01.43 | Codex| | swapped the 2 last lines of the embeds |
| 07:01.49 | Codex| | both embed files are the exact same |
| 07:01.58 | End | I wasn't going to point at blues |
| 07:02.07 | End | but I think UI forum might be a better place for it? |
| 07:02.14 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: no >_> before that :P why are you getting them and I'm not ;) |
| 07:02.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, probably |
| 07:02.29 | Codex| | terrosit is appearing in my addon prefs, frozen isnt |
| 07:02.35 | Codex| | want me to send you the copy i have of both? |
| 07:02.36 | Gnarfoz | I get Frozen but not Terrorist. :D |
| 07:02.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't remember, you have US UI Forum access? |
| 07:02.37 | Codex| | in one zip |
| 07:02.39 | End | I do |
| 07:02.43 | ScytheBlade1 | kk |
| 07:02.49 | Codex| | Gnarfoz: LOL! |
| 07:02.52 | Codex| | thats just mddening |
| 07:02.57 | End | I wonder if it might be related to zoning, but I got the problem on beta, and I didn't zone much on there |
| 07:02.57 | Codex| | maddening* |
| 07:03.02 | Gnarfoz | amazing xD |
| 07:03.06 | Codex| | its the SAME CODE |
| 07:03.06 | Codex| | lol |
| 07:03.12 | Gnarfoz | even the test bar works |
| 07:03.14 | ScytheBlade1 | We shouldn't be able to stop events for the same reason we can't create events.. that sounds suspicious indeed |
| 07:03.17 | Codex| | of frozen? |
| 07:03.19 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 07:03.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: poke? |
| 07:03.25 | Codex| | my terrorist one does |
| 07:03.26 | Codex| | :/ |
| 07:03.39 | Gnarfoz | mac or windows? |
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| 07:03.49 | Codex| | i deleted the \libs from \Frozen and replaces them with the one from \Terorist\Libs |
| 07:03.51 | Codex| | windows |
| 07:03.52 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 07:04.02 | Gnarfoz | because I heard load order is not identical |
| 07:04.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, he's afk |
| 07:04.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: disregard |
| 07:04.17 | Gnarfoz | maybe whichever one ends up being loaded first ends up working |
| 07:04.27 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: ah, crap |
| 07:04.33 | Codex| | so why would terrorist load second? |
| 07:04.37 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: your Terrorist has the class check ;) |
| 07:04.45 | Codex| | LOL!!! |
| 07:05.12 | Gnarfoz | both work for me, now. |
| 07:05.23 | Codex| | what in the world is causing frozen to bug out there |
| 07:05.25 | Codex| | :/ |
| 07:05.35 | Codex| | i have half a mind to rebuild frozen from terrorist, which was from frozen |
| 07:06.00 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 07:06.05 | Codex| | ill try deleting all frozen related files again |
| 07:06.08 | Gnarfoz | just diff the two directories, recursively |
| 07:06.15 | Gnarfoz | and get 1.0.1 of Frozen from wowi, again |
| 07:06.19 | Gnarfoz | it's what I did |
| 07:06.31 | End | wow |
| 07:06.38 | End | leveling a paladin is even more boring at level 10 now |
| 07:06.57 | Gnarfoz | leveling a paladin is the definition of boring |
| 07:07.04 | Codex| | Gnarfoz: ok, the addon dir and saved vars deleted |
| 07:07.07 | Codex| | restarting client |
| 07:07.21 | End | yes well, they've "enhanced" the expierance |
| 07:07.39 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: frozen has incomplete libs. |
| 07:07.40 | End | the only reason I'm casting spells is because I'm bored |
| 07:07.47 | Codex| | does terrorist? |
| 07:07.53 | Gnarfoz | or at least, weird libs. |
| 07:07.57 | Gnarfoz | I'll pastey |
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| 07:08.26 | Gnarfoz | Codex|: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/99717 |
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| 07:08.53 | Codex| | Gnarfoz: while i take a look at that, can you see if you can fogure out how to get a 4-digit long timer to be displayed completely in the bar? |
| 07:08.59 | Codex| | it liks displayed, say, 9.0 |
| 07:09.02 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's a format string |
| 07:09.04 | Gnarfoz | should be easy. |
| 07:09.05 | Codex| | but 12.2 is just too long |
| 07:09.11 | Gnarfoz | look for something like %1f |
| 07:09.29 | Gnarfoz | or string.format, or a upvalue of that (maybe fmt or something) |
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| 07:09.40 | Gnarfoz | bah |
| 07:09.52 | Gnarfoz | that difference is only that Terrorist has actual .svn folders in there |
| 07:09.58 | Gnarfoz | false alarm :x |
| 07:10.09 | Codex| | only difference is i deleted the update.wid from terrorist |
| 07:10.14 | Codex| | if i do that to frozen... hmm |
| 07:10.37 | Codex| | wait, that was backwards |
| 07:10.45 | Codex| | i deleted update.wid from terrorist |
| 07:10.57 | Codex| | but it stopped working long before i deleted that |
| 07:10.59 | Gnarfoz | wow doesn't load that anyway |
| 07:11.22 | Codex| | why does frozen not have the svn files but terrorist does? |
| 07:11.27 | Codex| | if terrorist was a direct copy from frozen |
| 07:11.33 | Gnarfoz | uh |
| 07:11.39 | Gnarfoz | it can't have been, then. |
| 07:11.54 | Gnarfoz | .svn means those parts are svn working copies |
| 07:12.09 | Gnarfoz | which shouldn't be in an addon folder, really, if you're not doing dev work in there |
| 07:12.32 | Codex| | ok i deleted the libs folders from frozen and gave it terrorists folder |
| 07:13.06 | Gnarfoz | remember, it works fine, here xD |
| 07:13.12 | Gnarfoz | with the different folders ;D |
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| 07:13.35 | Codex| | nope, still rozen-1.0\Frozen.lua:86: attempt to index global 'AceGUIWidgetLSMlists' (a nil value) |
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| 07:13.44 | Codex| | why does terrorist like aceguiwidget :( |
| 07:13.50 | Codex| | im MAD that my code works |
| 07:14.11 | Gnarfoz | this is with *just* those two addons? |
| 07:14.28 | Codex| | ill post u my errors in pm |
| 07:14.34 | Gnarfoz | I'm not really running on a clean setup, got at least ButtonBin, Prat and BugSack running |
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| 07:16.02 | Codex| | lets see what happens if i disable all but frozen and terrorist |
| 07:17.34 | Tekkub | muahahaha |
| 07:17.44 | Tekkub | fuck playing tag |
| 07:17.55 | Tekkub | the money is in spending th 8 runes on the channelers |
| 07:18.14 | Gnarfoz | just like two years ago ;) |
| 07:18.27 | Tekkub | yea I didn't know that two years ago! |
| 07:18.42 | Tekkub | I was one of the asstards that was spamming AoEs hoping to win a tag |
| 07:18.59 | Tekkub | well I would have been had huntards had a real aoe |
| 07:19.35 | Tekkub | either way, I got me two pieces of gear when I hit 70 :) |
| 07:19.46 | Tekkub | and fucking purple cloth pants :P |
| 07:21.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: you need to play tag to get the runes >< |
| 07:21.34 | Tekkub | yea but that's not too hard |
| 07:21.45 | Tekkub | especially if you hit the spot before the masses get there |
| 07:22.02 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, on my server, evry time i went to a spot, there were already 12+ people there |
| 07:22.07 | Tekkub | towards the end your best just getting a good spot to clicky |
| 07:22.18 | NightHawkTheSane | and, being a shaman.. with no AoE.. i'm more or less fucked |
| 07:22.27 | Tekkub | be close to aszhara, it's out of the way |
| 07:22.35 | Tekkub | when I got there there was a whole 3 people |
| 07:22.48 | Tekkub | you have an instant to tag with :P |
| 07:23.07 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, with a 6s cd. so i can tag one mob, and kill it :p |
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| 07:23.29 | Tekkub | 15s on Exorcism and I did fine |
| 07:24.49 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, ill do it early morning some weekday when the kiddies are at school. |
| 07:25.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i only want 15 runes to get a tabard and i'll be happy |
| 07:25.07 | Tekkub | yea I'm sure it'll be better come Monday |
| 07:25.14 | Tekkub | tabbard's 8 |
| 07:25.19 | NightHawkTheSane | 8? even easier! |
| 07:25.32 | Tekkub | you decked out in raid gear? |
| 07:25.33 | NightHawkTheSane | thats all i care about, at least on my shaman. gets me one closer to 25 tabards. |
| 07:25.36 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 07:25.40 | NightHawkTheSane | my shaman's t6 geared |
| 07:25.55 | Tekkub | yea, maybe go for the pally trinket if you can get one of the elites |
| 07:26.01 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* maybe. |
| 07:26.12 | NightHawkTheSane | But I won't really sweat it if i don't. |
| 07:26.17 | Tekkub | I wanted the gear since I'm just 68 |
| 07:26.31 | Tekkub | pally's so OP I was taking 3-4 at a time if I could get tags |
| 07:26.43 | Tekkub | solo'd a 71 elite too |
| 07:26.52 | Tekkub | that's where I got the damn pants |
| 07:27.24 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 07:27.24 | NightHawkTheSane | nice |
| 07:27.45 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i might try a bit on my pally, he's still mostly in quest gear still |
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| 07:28.55 | NightHawkTheSane | hopefully this will last for at a week or two, and dies down a bit later on |
| 07:28.59 | End | wow, playing my warlock is really hard without addons...partially because my target frame isn't where I expect |
| 07:29.17 | Tekkub | I would *assume* it'll run up to the night wrath drops |
| 07:29.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i would think, but *shrug* |
| 07:33.43 | batrick | !lua 1 |
| 07:33.43 | batbot | batrick: > 2 |
| 07:33.47 | batrick | uh... wow |
| 07:33.55 | batrick | Shirik: you break it? |
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| 07:35.13 | Shirik | hrm? |
| 07:35.15 | Shirik | OH YEAH |
| 07:35.17 | Shirik | hahahahahhaaha |
| 07:35.21 | Shirik | I did that last night, yes |
| 07:35.56 | batrick | what happened? |
| 07:36.03 | Shirik | Uh |
| 07:36.14 | batrick | o |
| 07:36.15 | Shirik | --> return type(a) |
| 07:36.15 | batbot | Shirik: > number |
| 07:36.15 | batrick | nvm |
| 07:36.16 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> how did you do THAT shirik |
| 07:36.24 | Shirik | --> return debug.getmetatable(a) |
| 07:36.24 | batbot | Shirik: > table: 0xb7c12590 |
| 07:36.27 | Shirik | --> return debug.getmetatable(a).__tostring |
| 07:36.28 | batbot | Shirik: > function: 0xb7c3e768 |
| 07:36.52 | Shirik | --> debug.setmetatable(a, nil) |
| 07:36.52 | batbot | Shirik: > true |
| 07:36.55 | Shirik | --> 1 |
| 07:36.55 | batbot | Shirik: > 1 |
| 07:36.56 | Shirik | there you go |
| 07:37.35 | batrick | lol |
| 07:37.53 | batrick | that's probably not a good thing |
| 07:38.00 | Shirik | I didn't mean to do that actually |
| 07:38.19 | Tekkub | we should replace true with :) and false with :( |
| 07:38.32 | Tekkub | and error() with o.O() |
| 07:38.53 | NightHawkTheSane | this is not LOLCODE |
| 07:39.02 | Shirik | --> a = true; debug.setmetatable(a, {__tostring = function(v) if v then return ":)" else return ":(" end}); |
| 07:39.02 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "a = true; debug.setmetatable(a, {__tostring = function(v) if v ..."]:1: unexpected symbol near '}' |
| 07:39.09 | Shirik | --> a = true; debug.setmetatable(a, {__tostring = function(v) if v then return ":)" else return ":(" end end}); |
| 07:39.13 | Shirik | --> return a; |
| 07:39.13 | batbot | Shirik: > :) |
| 07:39.17 | Shirik | return not a |
| 07:39.18 | Tekkub | if x == :( then o.O("aw shit") end |
| 07:39.20 | Shirik | --> return not a |
| 07:39.21 | batbot | Shirik: > :( |
| 07:39.58 | Shirik | --> return pcall(function() print("Hello, world!"); end); |
| 07:39.58 | batbot | Shirik: > :) |
| 07:39.58 | batbot | Shirik: Hello, world! |
| 07:42.23 | batrick | lol |
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| 07:42.42 | batrick | that'll probably break something |
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| 07:46.57 | batrick | ya... |
| 07:47.38 | batrick | !lua debug.setmetatable(function() end, {__ne = function() return false end}) |
| 07:47.39 | batbot | batrick: > :) |
| 07:47.49 | batrick | !lua debug.setfenv(pairs, {}) |
| 07:47.49 | batbot | batrick: @ cannot change secure functions environment |
| 07:47.54 | batrick | hmm |
| 07:48.01 | batrick | __ne is correct ya? |
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| 07:48.31 | Shirik | ne? |
| 07:48.37 | batrick | for ~= |
| 07:48.47 | batrick | which metamethod is it? |
| 07:49.21 | AbsoRayne | hrm |
| 07:49.31 | Shirik | I think it uses eq |
| 07:49.35 | Shirik | and inverts it |
| 07:50.13 | Shirik | lua> t = setmetatable({}, {__eq = function() return false; end}); v = t; return v == t; |
| 07:50.13 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 07:50.55 | Shirik | lua> t = setmetatable({}, {__eq = function() return false; end}); v = t; setmetatable(v, getmetatable(t)) return v == t; |
| 07:50.55 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 07:50.58 | Shirik | eh |
| 07:51.00 | batrick | !lua debug.setmetatable(function() end, {__eq = function() return true end}) |
| 07:51.00 | batbot | batrick: > :) |
| 07:51.06 | Shirik | rofl |
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| 07:51.09 | batrick | !lua debug.setfenv(pairs,{}) |
| 07:51.10 | batbot | batrick: @ cannot change secure functions environment |
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| 07:52.27 | Shirik | I have to go for a bit |
| 07:52.29 | Shirik | I shall return |
| 07:52.35 | Shirik | have fun with that batrick |
| 07:52.50 | batrick | nvm |
| 07:52.57 | batrick | they have to be of same type to try metamethods |
| 07:53.06 | batrick | but im still convinced you can screw it up somehow |
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| 08:00.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ~flee |
| 08:00.22 | purl | ACTION runs away screaming |
| 08:00.36 | NightHawkTheSane | yay! |
| 08:00.44 | NightHawkTheSane | early voting ftw? |
| 08:01.36 | Shirik | hey when did 3.03 come out? |
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| 08:07.22 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: voted for what, now? |
| 08:07.29 | Shirik | US election |
| 08:07.43 | Gnarfoz | oh, that's today? |
| 08:07.45 | Gnarfoz | fun tiems :D |
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| 08:07.50 | Shirik | no |
| 08:07.51 | End | he early voted :P |
| 08:07.52 | Shirik | it's on nov 11 |
| 08:08.06 | End | (I'm guessing) |
| 08:08.28 | Shirik | I did an absentee ballot because I'm not driving 14 hours to find a polling booth |
| 08:08.36 | End | ah |
| 08:08.53 | Shirik | That would also require me to miss classes |
| 08:09.00 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 08:09.05 | Gnarfoz | yeah I thought that wasn't this early ^^ |
| 08:09.07 | Shirik | which, although it would be an awesome excuse, I don't think is a really valid reason |
| 08:09.42 | Gnarfoz | is the US really that big that you'd have to drive that long to find a polling booth? |
| 08:09.55 | Gnarfoz | I mean, I *walk* 5 minutes to vote for stuff like that here in Germany ^^ |
| 08:10.51 | End | The US does tend to be a bit more spread out |
| 08:10.58 | Gnarfoz | is there a way, in the wowi svn web wiever to show svn properties? |
| 08:11.04 | Gnarfoz | 14 hours, though? |
| 08:11.17 | End | 14 hours does sound a bit excessive... |
| 08:11.19 | Gnarfoz | that screams "don't vote, pls" |
| 08:11.20 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 08:11.24 | Shirik | uhhh |
| 08:11.26 | ccox | wow, you really can PUG kara pretty easily now |
| 08:11.29 | Shirik | this is odd |
| 08:11.40 | Gnarfoz | ccox: uhm, that's different from the last year, how? ;D |
| 08:11.42 | Shirik | I log in to the server and immediately get disconnected after authentication succesful |
| 08:12.05 | ccox | Gnarfoz: if you haven't been in there, it got way nerfed |
| 08:12.18 | Gnarfoz | ccox: I have, we do it with 5 ppl now :p |
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| 08:12.28 | Gnarfoz | ccox: or with 10, and then in just about an hour |
| 08:12.40 | ccox | Gnarfoz: I need a better group for that |
| 08:12.53 | Gnarfoz | but it could easily be PUG'd for a long time oO it's really a crappily easy instance. it just takes even shorter now ^^ |
| 08:13.12 | ccox | Gnarfoz: it could be PUG'd if they had a clue and gear |
| 08:13.19 | Gnarfoz | either suffices |
| 08:13.22 | ccox | Gnarfoz: now, you don't even need too much of those |
| 08:13.24 | Gnarfoz | either outgear it, or outclue it :p |
| 08:13.32 | Gnarfoz | yes, now you don't need either, I suppose |
| 08:13.42 | Gnarfoz | or for each bit of each you have, you decrease time spent in the instance :p |
| 08:13.57 | ccox | on my server, it used to be difficult to find a decent kara PUG |
| 08:14.00 | ccox | now, easy |
| 08:14.48 | amro | on my server, people didn't know how to get to kara |
| 08:15.03 | Gnarfoz | oh god |
| 08:15.12 | Gnarfoz | and I thought my server was infected with the stupid |
| 08:15.12 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 08:15.24 | Gnarfoz | we PUG everything up to BT, now |
| 08:15.46 | Gnarfoz | granted, MH and BT are not often, because of lack of population that isn't bound by some raid coalition or guild |
| 08:15.54 | Gnarfoz | because the general population numbers are low ;p |
| 08:16.43 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: any idea on that svn web viewer question? ^^ |
| 08:16.52 | Shirik | svn web viewer? |
| 08:17.02 | Gnarfoz | http://svn.wowinterface.com/listing.php?repname=Frozen&path=%2Ftrunk%2F#_trunk_ |
| 08:17.06 | Gnarfoz | that |
| 08:17.09 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
| 08:17.16 | Gnarfoz | I'm trying to find the externals set on the libs dir |
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| 08:18.57 | Shirik | like... where it is? |
| 08:20.04 | Gnarfoz | like, what the svn property externals is set to |
| 08:20.08 | Gnarfoz | if it's set at all, that is |
| 08:20.23 | Shirik | I doubt you can see that from the web viewer |
| 08:20.24 | Gnarfoz | if it's not set, that'd be an answer to many a question that has come up in the last 2 hours xD |
| 08:20.31 | Shirik | you can run "svn propget svn:externals repo" |
| 08:20.34 | Gnarfoz | hm, can I check out other author's repos at wowi? |
| 08:20.43 | Shirik | if they have it set for public checkout, sure |
| 08:20.47 | Gnarfoz | I'll try |
| 08:21.35 | Gnarfoz | *figuring out the svn url* |
| 08:22.53 | Shirik | I guess you wouldn't have the URL |
| 08:22.59 | Shirik | so I take that back |
| 08:23.30 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 08:23.32 | Shirik | yes it's there |
| 08:23.53 | Shirik | http://svn.wowinterface.com/ <-- list of all projects |
| 08:24.01 | Shirik | svn://svn.wowinterface.com/Frozen-155 |
| 08:24.31 | Gnarfoz | ah, right |
| 08:24.32 | Gnarfoz | thanks |
| 08:24.52 | Shirik | I really need to rest |
| 08:24.58 | Shirik | bad day today and worse day tomorrow |
| 08:24.59 | Shirik | night |
| 08:25.03 | Gnarfoz | night |
| 08:25.06 | Gnarfoz | no externals set |
| 08:25.08 | Gnarfoz | that explains a lot |
| 08:25.09 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 08:25.09 | Shirik | It should be right there in the properties |
| 08:25.11 | Shirik | ah ok :) |
| 08:25.19 | Gnarfoz | she's using old libs |
| 08:25.22 | Gnarfoz | hardcopies of them |
| 08:25.23 | Gnarfoz | :D |
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| 08:25.28 | Shirik|zZz | poke her to fix it :) |
| 08:25.32 | Gnarfoz | will do |
| 08:25.32 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
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| 08:29.55 | Gnarfoz | ~seen seerah |
| 08:29.56 | purl | seerah <n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-4-196.mem.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 8h 26m 9s ago, saying: '*nod* we got ours through amazon - should have them delivered on the 13th'. |
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| 08:37.26 | Codex| | she was actually here about 2 hours ago |
| 08:37.31 | Gnarfoz | yeah, doesn't matter |
| 08:37.37 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=9472#comments |
| 08:37.39 | Codex| | whys it saus 1 day |
| 08:37.41 | Codex| | :/ |
| 08:38.29 | Gnarfoz | maybe on another ident that purl didn't recognize |
| 08:38.33 | Gnarfoz | ~seen seerah|afk |
| 08:38.34 | purl | seerah|afk <n=Ryan_L@adsl-226-124-21.mem.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 159d 15h 41m 23s ago, saying: 'foxlit: Ringer'. |
| 08:38.36 | Gnarfoz | or whatever ;) |
| 08:38.38 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 08:38.41 | Gnarfoz | 159d ^^ |
| 08:39.24 | Gnarfoz | ~seen seerah|away |
| 08:39.25 | purl | seerah|away <n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-46-218.mem.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 9d 15h 53m 40s ago, saying: 'not yet'. |
| 08:39.29 | Gnarfoz | that one, actually ;) |
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| 10:01.06 | Wobin | has anyone tried converting from svn to hg on curseforge? |
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| 10:08.07 | Arrowmaster | you do know that there is no conversion right? |
| 10:08.19 | Arrowmaster | you change the repo type and it just creates a new one for you |
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| 10:20.16 | AbsoRayne | I dont suppose its possible with PitBull to Set one texture so a certain portion of the Raid Frames, and another for say Party, ect? |
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| 10:38.20 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: yeah, but I want to actually convert |
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| 11:04.22 | mikma | tem: you are broken |
| 11:04.56 | AbsoRayne | :( |
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| 11:06.16 | Lyn | i hate java. |
| 11:07.35 | Stanzilla | in soviet russia, java hates you! |
| 11:08.21 | Lyn | :p |
| 11:08.38 | Lyn | i dunno how to make a small script which solves a riddle for me... oO; |
| 11:09.49 | haste | write it in C! |
| 11:10.01 | mikma | lul |
| 11:10.31 | Lyn | i have to write it in java... it's a kind of homework |
| 11:11.18 | haste | then.. use a python bridge D: |
| 11:11.30 | mikma | lul java lululu |
| 11:11.33 | Redguard | do your reading assignments |
| 11:11.56 | Lyn | :P |
| 11:12.06 | Lyn | i did.. and all lectures.. still no clue x) |
| 11:12.26 | AbsoRayne | Guh...anyone want to help me with an annoying DogTag? |
| 11:13.05 | mikma | no :I |
| 11:13.13 | Lyn | lol |
| 11:13.22 | AbsoRayne | I need to rebuild one from scratch, and DogTag help doesnt want to unbreak itself for me. |
| 11:13.24 | AbsoRayne | -_- |
| 11:13.33 | Lyn | i know how to solve the riddle with pen and paper! :D |
| 11:14.03 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11391-enemytracker.html |
| 11:14.05 | mikma | wait what |
| 11:14.20 | AbsoRayne | O_o |
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| 11:49.10 | Wobin | note to self |
| 11:49.30 | Wobin | while aoefarming clefthoof as a boomkin can be fun and profitable |
| 11:49.38 | Wobin | a bad chain of hoofstomp can lead to flat bird |
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| 11:54.34 | foxlit | Wobin: try this instead: |
| 11:54.41 | foxlit | starfall one of the invasion clusters. |
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| 11:55.49 | foxlit | ~seen Rabbit |
| 11:55.51 | purl | rabbit <n=rabbit@pussycast.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 17d 22h 49m 15s ago, saying: 'anyone using kde 4.x or still sticking to 3.5.x ?'. |
| 11:56.26 | Gnarfoz | you want |
| 11:56.28 | Gnarfoz | ~seen vhaarr |
| 11:56.29 | purl | vhaarr is currently on #wowace (13h 4m 18s), last said: 'Adirelle: did you relicense? I won't do it'. |
| 11:57.23 | foxlit | really? |
| 11:58.25 | haste | yes |
| 11:59.04 | Gnarfoz | do you think an addon dev would only be seen in #kde while purl is clearly also watching *this* channel? :p |
| 12:02.01 | foxlit | Heh, it's possible :) |
| 12:02.07 | haste | vharr isn't here however |
| 12:02.21 | foxlit | Especially if someone sneakily changed his name |
| 12:02.43 | Gnarfoz | he's over there, though ;) |
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| 12:03.59 | foxlit | I was thinking of dumping support responsibility for OPie's ClosetGnome plugin on him :P |
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| 12:15.28 | Castigo | hey guys |
| 12:16.26 | Castigo | Guys i've a nice question |
| 12:17.22 | Castigo | can something like this : http://wowuidev.pastey.net/99726 works? |
| 12:18.07 | Castigo | if not, what's the valuename of db.profile[valuename] assuming that db.profile.valuename is an array of 13 elements? |
| 12:19.20 | Castigo | [SW]Dodge, nevcairiel, Mikk? |
| 12:19.36 | [SW]Dodge | Castigo: hm? |
| 12:20.40 | Castigo | dodge scroll up :P |
| 12:20.52 | Castigo | basically i've a config variable described as an array |
| 12:21.13 | Castigo | and i need to address the contained informations using db.profile[valuename] |
| 12:21.28 | Castigo | how do i do it? |
| 12:23.54 | [SW]Dodge | hm |
| 12:25.08 | [SW]Dodge | you mean that for exampler "21 get = function() return DivineUI.db.profile[valueName] end, " the valueName becomes the value as in the valueName parameter of DivineUI:Config_AddToggle(...) set? |
| 12:25.20 | [SW]Dodge | if you want that, yes. should work |
| 12:25.39 | Castigo | yes that works |
| 12:25.42 | Castigo | the problem arise when |
| 12:25.46 | Castigo | i do like that |
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| 12:25.57 | Castigo | db.profile.myTestvar = {1, 2, 3, 4 |
| 12:26.07 | Castigo | and then i want to address EACH of the array values |
| 12:26.16 | Castigo | thru an AddToggle |
| 12:26.34 | Castigo | in that case i don't know how to describe the position of 2, using a "valuename" |
| 12:26.39 | [SW]Dodge | you mean you want to have a toggle for each of the values ? |
| 12:26.47 | Castigo | yes |
| 12:26.56 | [SW]Dodge | if you have {1,2,3,4} you want 4 toggles? |
| 12:26.59 | Castigo | yes |
| 12:27.58 | Wobin | ahahaha |
| 12:27.59 | Wobin | 3k dps |
| 12:29.30 | Castigo | dodge any idea? |
| 12:29.48 | [SW]Dodge | yea |
| 12:29.49 | [SW]Dodge | :> |
| 12:29.58 | Castigo | shoot pls :P |
| 12:30.16 | [SW]Dodge | do you always have a table as value name? |
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| 12:30.39 | Castigo | i've got to |
| 12:30.54 | Castigo | since it's "clearer" to read if i use an helper function like addToggle |
| 12:31.10 | Castigo | instead of 5-6 lines of code to define a toggle |
| 12:31.45 | [SW]Dodge | well i have a function like that too, but i call it for each toggle itself not for a group |
| 12:32.07 | [SW]Dodge | but ok, i have my set/get in a higher level |
| 12:32.18 | [SW]Dodge | mhm |
| 12:32.37 | [SW]Dodge | the problem is that you want to return the command_options |
| 12:33.01 | Castigo | pls don't tell me that i've to rewrite the other 300 options again |
| 12:33.11 | [SW]Dodge | do it ! |
| 12:33.12 | [SW]Dodge | :P |
| 12:33.33 | Castigo | at the start iw rote them all one by one |
| 12:33.48 | Castigo | then i said "bah that code is bloated and unreadable" and redid them all like this |
| 12:34.50 | [SW]Dodge | what you could do is to have 1 function that adds a toggle and call it within a for-pairs-do in DivineUI.db.profile[valueName] |
| 12:35.25 | Castigo | basically i've 13 actionbar "gravel" that behaves in the same way |
| 12:35.30 | Castigo | so the code manage them as an array |
| 12:35.41 | Castigo | therefore the options gotta "index" an array too |
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| 12:37.36 | [SW]Dodge | maybe you could do it like i do it. defining your get/set functions in a higher level (not 1 per toggle) and just using "arg" to identify which toggle is selected and do then what you need |
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| 12:38.43 | Drakhaon | anyone know a good wow addon code app? Im using WoW UI Designer, but it seems to lag when I get a lot of code going |
| 12:39.43 | [SW]Dodge | Drakhaon: do you want an app to code or design? ;) |
| 12:39.50 | [SW]Dodge | to code you can use nearly every editor |
| 12:40.19 | [SW]Dodge | i use "wxLua Edit" but you can even use M$ Notepad |
| 12:40.27 | Drakhaon | [SW]Dodge > code, but I want colored code format :P |
| 12:40.54 | [SW]Dodge | wxLua has syntax highlight |
| 12:40.59 | Drakhaon | thanks |
| 12:41.02 | Industrial | rofl my guild is qqing cause i pugged BT and the guild is on MH |
| 12:41.11 | [SW]Dodge | and even a build in lua_bot thingy ^^ |
| 12:41.27 | Drakhaon | Industrial > are you going BT aswell as MH or just MH? |
| 12:41.31 | [SW]Dodge | but there are a lot of other editors with syntax higlight :D |
| 12:41.53 | Castigo | Drakhaon i use addon studio |
| 12:42.04 | Castigo | but ppl where will tell ya to use "notepad" |
| 12:42.14 | foxlit | use "notepad" |
| 12:42.46 | Drakhaon | yea Id use that if it wasnt for the fact that I want syntax highlight |
| 12:43.27 | Industrial | Drakhaon: just MH |
| 12:43.27 | [SW]Dodge | Drakhaon: notepad++ |
| 12:43.41 | foxlit | syntax highlighting is for the weak. Real authors use white-on-white text editors. |
| 12:43.46 | Drakhaon | Industrial > then I dont see why they bitch about it |
| 12:43.59 | Industrial | it resets on monday anyway, when we have MH planned |
| 12:44.00 | [SW]Dodge | Drakhaon: but last time i tryed notepad++ it was some kind of crappy imo^^ |
| 12:44.08 | Castigo | told ya :P |
| 12:44.17 | Drakhaon | we actually kick members that repeatedly raid dungeons with others that we raid ourselves |
| 12:44.18 | Industrial | and I got to see it before wotlk, and the didnt, so screw em imo :> |
| 12:44.50 | Industrial | well my wow experience is not the guild's to dictate, if i can do something I like and i cant with the guild ill do it.. like pvp... |
| 12:45.36 | Castigo | dodge so how can i solve the problem? |
| 12:45.58 | Drakhaon | Industrial > I totaly agree =) |
| 12:46.36 | Drakhaon | [SW]Dodge > thanks, wxLua seems to be just the thing, light loaded and all |
| 12:46.51 | [SW]Dodge | Castigo: use your brain and find a good solution. (or scroll up, somewhere i posted an idea^^) |
| 12:47.16 | Castigo | u used for pairs |
| 12:47.19 | Castigo | but i can't |
| 12:47.30 | Castigo | 'cause i want to change a "single" value not them all togheter |
| 12:47.50 | Drakhaon | anyone wanna help me find out why this aggro-meter thing wont clear "memory" between targets - and sometimes even display double names: http://pastey.net/99728 |
| 12:47.55 | [SW]Dodge | i dont mean to use the pairs in your get/set |
| 12:48.06 | [SW]Dodge | i mean to use the pairs to create your toggles :D |
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| 12:49.45 | Castigo | dodge i don't get it then :P |
| 12:50.42 | Lyn | haste, when i type "man <command>" into a shell (in this case -> putty>linux whatever) .. how do i close the man page? :x |
| 12:50.57 | [SW]Dodge | q |
| 12:50.58 | [SW]Dodge | ^^ |
| 12:51.01 | Lyn | rly? |
| 12:51.04 | Lyn | :x testi t |
| 12:51.05 | [SW]Dodge | iirc |
| 12:51.11 | Lyn | yep |
| 12:51.13 | Lyn | fine :D |
| 12:51.15 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
| 12:51.28 | [SW]Dodge | other way: close putty |
| 12:51.41 | [SW]Dodge | then man is closed too (if you are not in screen^^) |
| 12:51.42 | Lyn | nooo!^^ |
| 12:52.11 | haste | sounds like a horrible alternative solution [SW]Dodge :p |
| 12:52.24 | [SW]Dodge | haste: but works 100000% :D |
| 12:52.32 | haste | depends :p |
| 12:52.40 | [SW]Dodge | on what? ;> |
| 12:52.45 | haste | screen/dtach |
| 12:53.07 | haste | I don't know about you, but most of the stuff I do over SSH involve screen or dtach |
| 12:53.27 | [SW]Dodge | haste: read what i wrote: [13:51] [SW]Dodge: then man is closed too (if you are not in screen^^) |
| 12:53.28 | [SW]Dodge | ^^ |
| 12:53.35 | Lyn | i currently do the stuff they told us about "how to work with a shell" OO |
| 12:55.47 | Lyn | ! |
| 12:55.58 | Drakhaon | can I remove a texture from a frame? |
| 12:56.08 | Lyn | next thing i do is installing neo geo emulator |
| 12:56.12 | Lyn | and play some wakku wakku 7 :D |
| 12:56.25 | Drakhaon | like.. frame.texture = nil |
| 12:56.41 | haste | Drakhaon: no, you can't destroy UI widgets |
| 12:56.45 | haste | Drakhaon: you can hide them however |
| 12:57.34 | Drakhaon | true |
| 12:57.36 | haste | when you do texture = nil, you just remove the lua reference |
| 12:57.43 | Drakhaon | ah |
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| 13:05.13 | ievil | haste, any way to move premade oUF layouts around? |
| 13:05.57 | ievil | or would that imply having to make one of my own |
| 13:09.28 | haste | ievil: not in a easy, unless the layout defines such |
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| 13:12.44 | ievil | haste, damn |
| 13:12.53 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/whiner.txt |
| 13:13.01 | ievil | hm any clean layout that does? :) I was testing out the classic one |
| 13:14.07 | haste | I think there is only one layout that defines frame movement |
| 13:14.46 | ievil | :( - need to find another replacement for pitbull then |
| 13:14.48 | haste | my layouts are really just oUF usage examples, I don't have the time to maintain oUF + two full layouts =/ |
| 13:14.54 | haste | ag_UnitFrames D: ? |
| 13:15.16 | ievil | is it as lightweight? |
| 13:15.33 | haste | or Sage |
| 13:15.38 | haste | that shouldn't matter at all |
| 13:16.05 | haste | what should matter is the functionality you neen :) |
| 13:17.00 | ievil | haste, hehe.. |
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| 13:24.43 | Wobin | rofl |
| 13:24.43 | Wobin | http://www.baconnaise.com/ |
| 13:25.12 | Drakhaon | how do I make a textfield center? |
| 13:25.18 | Drakhaon | a fontstring |
| 13:33.00 | haste | :SetJustifyH"CENTER" |
| 13:33.36 | Kalroth | Wobin: Nothing funny about bacon, it's serious business! |
| 13:33.46 | Wobin | s'true |
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| 13:34.29 | mikma | mm |
| 13:34.31 | mikma | baconsalt |
| 13:37.02 | Lyn | :o |
| 13:37.58 | mikma | this neurotic rune -catching event is completely bs |
| 13:39.18 | ReAn | rune -catching event? |
| 13:40.09 | mikma | yea, kill n+1 mobs, get Neurotic Runes and use them as currency |
| 13:40.22 | [SW]Dodge | what is "bs"? :) |
| 13:40.30 | mikma | usually there's someone with HUGE range doing PEW PEW PEW AOE, gets all the mobs, and says "i have 333 runes now!" |
| 13:40.40 | mikma | ~bs |
| 13:41.07 | mikma | since purl don't know it, it's bullshit |
| 13:41.28 | [SW]Dodge | imo it was easy to get enough runes for the q + all trinkets + tabard + hands/shoulder ;) |
| 13:41.41 | [SW]Dodge | and some +ap stones for weapon |
| 13:41.51 | Lyn | no battles against the scourge on our server :< |
| 13:42.21 | foxlit | Meh, it seemed easy even with our over-populated scourge-hunting maniacs |
| 13:42.30 | foxlit | Just have to apply some brain power to it :) |
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| 13:59.19 | Industrial | Are Empyrean Sapphire and Lionseye worth the same? can i trade them? :\ |
| 14:00.50 | [dRaCo] | 15 badges... |
| 14:04.25 | Industrial | o rite ;P |
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| 14:34.43 | Lothaer | OMG DARTH VADAR IS LIKE SKYWALKERS FATHER!!! |
| 14:34.45 | Lothaer | LUKE* |
| 14:34.57 | Lothaer | ~facepalm |
| 14:34.57 | purl | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 14:36.33 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 14:36.37 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Sunday to you too. |
| 14:41.23 | Industrial | mag pug, lets see how long it lasts >_O |
| 14:42.52 | Lopeppeppy | 10 minutes. |
| 14:48.22 | Gnarfoz | because mag's dead by then, provided at least 2 ret pallies are present |
| 14:48.42 | Gnarfoz | wtf is up with the mega nerfs btw xD |
| 14:49.39 | Lopeppeppy | So that people can farm out old content this month, and feel good about going to the new things next month? No more, "QQ, I never got to finish the LAST set of instances!" |
| 14:49.50 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 14:49.53 | Gnarfoz | pally nerfs, obviously >_. |
| 14:50.27 | Gnarfoz | they're like, back to pre-tbc level of crappiness now |
| 14:50.58 | Lopeppeppy | Oh... yeah, don't get me started. *sigh* |
| 14:51.11 | Lopeppeppy | I need to xfer my priestess or druid to where they can start having fun again. |
| 14:52.23 | Gnarfoz | I'm seriously doubting my decision to make my pally my main in wotlk, now |
| 14:53.53 | Gnarfoz | I have a T6 equipped rogue and my craft/badge/loot-noone-wanted pally :X |
| 14:54.19 | Gnarfoz | (and my warlock that I only leveled to 70 to have him at 70) |
| 14:54.26 | Lopeppeppy | I had already decided that mine wasn't going to be, pending seeing how things shook out in a few patches. I have my partial-T6 Holydin, and a rogue with one piece of Kara gear, a 62 scrub priest and a 55 scrub druid. |
| 14:54.33 | Lopeppeppy | Thinking hard about starting over with priesty or druid. |
| 14:57.07 | Lopeppeppy | Great. Priests can no longer cure the disease of zombification? |
| 14:57.12 | mikma | they can |
| 14:57.15 | mikma | it just resists quite alot |
| 14:57.41 | Lopeppeppy | I spammed myself out of mana before I got it. Jeez. *laugh* Sucks to have zombies all over the starter quest zones, but hey. |
| 14:58.08 | mikma | that's the FUN! |
| 14:58.20 | mikma | we ganked lots and lots of lvl1 characters yesterday with 10 zombies |
| 14:58.40 | mikma | lopeppeppy: http://wow.reaktio.net/whiner.txt - lol |
| 14:58.55 | mikma | (I'm Snusnu in that log) |
| 15:00.45 | Lopeppeppy | It's fun for everyone except the gankees, sadly. But hey, into everyone's life some forced PvP must fall, I guess. |
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| 15:13.22 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. My baby druid is 4 levels lower than I remembered. Oh well. |
| 15:35.30 | Drakhaon | to use my own fonts in addons do they need to be in the fonts folder or can I store them in the addons folder? |
| 15:35.51 | Lopeppeppy | Fonts folder, IIRC. |
| 15:36.01 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy could be wrong, it's Sunday after all. |
| 15:36.22 | Lopeppeppy | Speaking of which, lunchtime and laundry time and and and. TTFN |
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| 15:40.32 | Syzgyn | Drakhaon: Either. |
| 15:41.00 | mikma | nevcairiel: http://mikma.pastey.net/99748 |
| 15:41.32 | Drakhaon | sylvanaar > ok |
| 15:41.38 | Drakhaon | ops.. Syzgyn*' |
| 15:41.43 | nevcairiel | mikma: so uh what? I fixed the bug with another fix already |
| 15:41.53 | mikma | nevcairiel: ok |
| 15:41.59 | Drakhaon | cValue = ceil(tblThreat[tmp[I]])/4/100 << tblThreat[tmp[I]] can be any value from 0.00000000 to 100.000000000 |
| 15:42.13 | Drakhaon | should that result in: 0; 0.25; 0.5; 0.75 and 1? |
| 15:42.15 | mikma | nevcairiel: sorry for trying to help |
| 15:42.39 | nevcairiel | mikma: i told you its fixed in new Mapster =P |
| 15:43.02 | mikma | err, not in the version i have and i updated it yesterday |
| 15:43.09 | mikma | oh well |
| 15:43.14 | mikma | time to update again |
| 15:44.19 | mikma | nevcairiel: http://mikma.pastey.net/99745 |
| 15:44.20 | nevcairiel | 1.0.5 works |
| 15:47.41 | mikma | nevcairiel: the playerarrow is always present in the battlefieldminimap |
| 15:48.31 | nevcairiel | blame blizzard |
| 15:52.10 | Lyn | haha, i am always runnning to the invasion points and steal the rare mobs :D |
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| 15:53.15 | mikma | lyn: what do they drop?? |
| 15:53.37 | Industrial | <+Lopeppeppy> 10 minutes. |
| 15:53.41 | Lyn | epic items |
| 15:53.45 | Industrial | he went down but major qq on loot |
| 15:53.45 | Lyn | mostly with haste |
| 15:53.48 | mikma | BoP? |
| 15:53.51 | Lyn | yep |
| 15:53.54 | mikma | lol |
| 15:54.03 | darko`` | Hello, any place with a fairly complete list of arguments passed along when events fire? (this time i am looking for the 2 events that might fire when a player joins a group) |
| 15:54.08 | Lyn | got a melee mail chest |
| 15:54.14 | Lyn | melee plate legs |
| 15:54.14 | mikma | ~wowbible |
| 15:54.15 | purl | wowbible is probably http://wowprogramming.com/docs |
| 15:54.17 | mikma | darko``: ^---- |
| 15:54.20 | Lyn | and some melee leather stuff |
| 15:54.33 | darko`` | There's no such description on wowprogramming |
| 15:54.46 | darko`` | nor wowwiki or wowdev |
| 15:55.29 | Drakhaon | when I setTexture(r,g,b) - can I store the colors in a variable/array and thus do: setTexture(myArray) ? |
| 15:55.50 | mikma | drakhaon: i've seen that happen in some addons |
| 15:58.50 | Drakhaon | hmm.. or.. I could just store textures in an array? |
| 15:59.22 | mikma | you can try, and tell us is it true |
| 16:00.04 | Drakhaon | =) |
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| 16:03.25 | Drakhaon | did this: threatColors[x]["r"] (and then one for green and blue) |
| 16:03.31 | Drakhaon | x goes from 0 to 4 |
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| 16:10.04 | Mundyz | is it possible to change the opacity of text in the various chatframes? |
| 16:11.12 | Drakhaon | you mean just specific parts of the text or? |
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| 16:17.19 | Esine | since I reinstalled wow at the 3.0.2 release I'm not seeing spell/ability descriptions on action bars anymore, or their energy costs. To see that I'd have to look at them via spellbook. Is it like this for everyone or do I just have some Interface option unchecked? Or are there any addons that give back this functionality? |
| 16:17.49 | Esine | For example now it says Sap Rank 3 instead of Sap 32 energy Incapacitates.. etc. |
| 16:18.44 | [dRaCo] | I believe there's an option called short tooltips or something |
| 16:18.46 | Mundyz | Drakhaon: no all of it |
| 16:19.03 | Mundyz | so for example everything in chatframe1 is at 70% opacity or whatever |
| 16:19.42 | Esine | Ah! Yes, [dRaCo] it was Interface Options -> Help -> Enhanced Tooltips |
| 16:19.58 | Esine | thanks. |
| 16:20.39 | Drakhaon | Mundyz > you can change alpha of any item with :SetAlpha(0 - 1) |
| 16:21.20 | Mundyz | hmm i figured as much, but how do I refer to the text inside the frame |
| 16:21.36 | Mundyz | if i just do ChatFrame1:SetAlpha() it changes the alpha of the frame itself |
| 16:21.50 | Mundyz | wait |
| 16:21.51 | Mundyz | nvm |
| 16:22.03 | Mundyz | that works |
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| 16:28.30 | Drakhaon | Mundyz > you need to know the name of the text element |
| 16:28.45 | Mundyz | its ok ChatFrame1:SetAlpha() works |
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| 16:28.51 | Drakhaon | =) |
| 16:28.59 | Mundyz | wasnt working before, i must have had a typo or something |
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| 16:34.48 | Drakhaon | =) |
| 16:37.13 | Drakhaon | is there an event for BG win? |
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| 16:37.17 | Drakhaon | as in - when I win |
| 16:38.04 | Mundyz | UPDATE_BATTLEFIELD_STATUS is probably as close as you'll get |
| 16:38.10 | Mundyz | im pretty new though so idk |
| 16:38.27 | Drakhaon | I'll check, thanks |
| 16:38.39 | Mundyz | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Battleground |
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| 16:43.38 | Kraps | can someone help me figure out level 70 warrior sets? |
| 16:44.10 | Drakhaon | bah.. Im gonna need a table of all boss names from dungeons :P |
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| 16:54.58 | [dRaCo] | Kraps: http://www.wowhead.com/?itemsets&filter=cl=1 |
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| 16:55.57 | alcaras | anyone suggest a mod to replace the now retired ReagentCost? |
| 16:56.08 | Castigo | Kraps bold, doomguard, onslaught, destroyer, warbringer |
| 16:56.16 | Castigo | that's all iirc |
| 16:56.33 | [dRaCo] | bold isn't warrior only |
| 16:57.21 | [dRaCo] | the only "real" warrior sets are onslaught, destroyer and warbringer (and the pvp sets) |
| 16:57.51 | NightHawkTheSan1 | well, bold is a "warrior" set, in that while it[s not class restricted, the set bonuses are class-specific |
| 16:57.52 | Mundyz | how easy would it be for a lua and ui newb to create a simple LDB mod |
| 16:58.22 | [dRaCo] | NightHawkTheSan1: aight, got a point there |
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| 16:58.58 | foxlit | |---------| << that easy |
| 16:59.05 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ^ |
| 16:59.18 | Shirik | What exactly is LDB? |
| 16:59.20 | Mundyz | is there a tutorial up somewhere on how to do it? |
| 16:59.25 | Mundyz | or an API doco or something? |
| 16:59.29 | NightHawkTheSan1 | LibDataBroker, I assume. |
| 16:59.36 | Mundyz | ^^ |
| 16:59.39 | Shirik | what does LibDataBroker do? |
| 17:00.01 | Mundyz | removes the need for an addon author to create fubar/titan/minmap button code |
| 17:00.07 | Kraps | what happens to the dailys and 70 pvp sets in wrath? |
| 17:00.17 | Mundyz | they can create LDB code for the button then those mods use that interface to create the buttons |
| 17:00.21 | Stanzilla | ~ldb |
| 17:00.22 | purl | it has been said that ldb is a WoW Library - A central registry for addons looking for something to display their data. http://github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/tree/master |
| 17:01.08 | alcaras | anyone suggest a mod to replace the now retired ReagentCost? Something to integrate Auction data into the Crafting Panel? |
| 17:01.10 | Castigo | shit! u know u are addicted to wow when u try to use /w nickname on irc |
| 17:01.35 | Lukian | alcaras, I don't know if Skillet does that, but I've heard good things about it |
| 17:01.45 | [dRaCo] | most cool kids got an alias allowing the use of /w ;P |
| 17:01.51 | Stanzilla | Castigo: nah, just create an alias in your irc client for /w to /msg :p |
| 17:01.59 | Lukian | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.00 | alcaras | Lukian: Skillet needed lil' sparky's workshop to do that, and lil' sparky's workshop hasn't been updated for 3.0.2 |
| 17:02.00 | Coren{de} | Castigo: /alias w msg |
| 17:02.05 | Lukian | that right for mirc? :p |
| 17:02.09 | Castigo | lol u ppl are SICK :P |
| 17:02.20 | [dRaCo] | should work |
| 17:02.58 | Coren{de} | alternatively, /alias w msg Castigo use /msg la =) |
| 17:04.23 | Castigo | Shirik query pl0x :P |
| 17:04.47 | Shirik | Firstly, all your PM said was "pls" and secondly, I don't answer questions in PM unless there is a really good reason |
| 17:05.35 | Shirik | This is an open community and not only will you get a better answer if you ask the entire community, you also will allow others to benefit from learning the same thing |
| 17:05.37 | Castigo | yeh was just to check if u blocked the pm or not :P |
| 17:06.00 | Castigo | i tried in here before, none answered |
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| 17:06.20 | Shirik | If I didn't answer here, I won't answer in PM |
| 17:06.47 | Castigo | http://www.pastey.net/99750 <-- i used this helper code to build the config array, basically i pass the name of the var and it gets addressed like db.profile[varname] to addresss db.profile.varname |
| 17:06.58 | |Jelly| | Shirik: Does this mean we can has sexy teim in PM still? |
| 17:07.18 | Castigo | now for a new config panel i need to address an element of an array and i would liek to use the same sort of helpers functions |
| 17:07.20 | Shirik | In general I will never answer a question about Ace because I have literally zero experience with it |
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| 17:07.36 | Shirik | I choose to write the code myself instead |
| 17:07.43 | mikma | shirik: you are ace, do you know that? |
| 17:07.45 | Castigo | it is a lua question :P |
| 17:08.09 | Shirik | you can't unless you make it less local |
| 17:08.28 | alcaras | Lukian: apparently LSW is updated http://www.wowace.com/projects/lil-sparkys-workshop/files/ |
| 17:09.13 | |Jelly| | Shirik: You told me you were going to Ace RDX/Conspiracy, remember? |
| 17:09.21 | Shirik | I will kill you |
| 17:09.33 | foxlit | But will you do that using Ace? |
| 17:10.16 | |Jelly| | Shirik Ace-ing Conspiracy? Of course! He'll use all your favorite libraries! |
| 17:10.30 | |Jelly| | ~love Shirik |
| 17:10.31 | purl | If you love Shirik so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 17:10.35 | NightHawkTheSan1 | local murder = LibAceAddon:new("Murder-1.0"); murder:Kill(foxlit) |
| 17:10.44 | |Jelly| | I WILL! I ALREADY BOUGHT THE 100G RING! |
| 17:11.02 | Castigo | [The Two Ring] |
| 17:11.03 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSan1: I'm not global |
| 17:11.04 | Castigo | > |
| 17:11.04 | NightHawkTheSan1 | 100g ring? PFFFFT |
| 17:11.17 | Shirik | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34837 |
| 17:11.17 | NightHawkTheSan1 | if you haven't bought the 2k or whatever ring, YOU DONT REALLY LOVE HIM |
| 17:11.24 | |Jelly| | (I've had the ring for a long time. Shirik and I have been seekrit for ... a while) |
| 17:11.56 | alcaras | 100g ring? try 8500g ring: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=40586 |
| 17:12.38 | |Jelly| | For 8500g, as much as I love Kimina, I'd kill her. |
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| 17:13.05 | Mundyz | how do i test if something is a float |
| 17:13.06 | Mundyz | in lua |
| 17:13.16 | NightHawkTheSan1 | throw it in the water. *nod* |
| 17:13.35 | Shirik | ~lart NightHawkTheSane |
| 17:13.35 | purl | throws NightHawkTheSane's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 17:13.36 | |Jelly| | Well first, you put her on a scale ... with a duck. |
| 17:13.36 | Mundyz | haha |
| 17:13.39 | Shirik | Mundyz: Define "float" |
| 17:13.45 | Mundyz | floating point number |
| 17:13.46 | Shirik | All numbers are double precision floating point numbers |
| 17:13.46 | Cronoh | Hi, I'm brand new to wow mod making, I've been messing with some LUA which is pretty easy to understand (Fluent in PHP), but I'm trying to make a visible frame via XML, been following tutorials and its just not working. |
| 17:13.51 | Mundyz | oh ok |
| 17:13.55 | krka | Cronoh: No reason to yell the name of the langage. |
| 17:13.56 | Castigo | can anyone give me an hint on this? db.profile.myVar[3] how can i access this one using the syntax db.profile[myvarname] ? |
| 17:13.59 | Mundyz | how do i test if its a number then |
| 17:14.01 | |Jelly| | Lua ~= LUA |
| 17:14.06 | Drakhaon | anyone know a good place where we can host our guild site? not talking about a fancy one with dkp engines, forum etc - just need to host a couple of html files and images :D |
| 17:14.07 | Cronoh | sorry? |
| 17:14.07 | NightHawkTheSane | if( not (math.floor(n) == n) ) then ? |
| 17:14.11 | Castigo | Cronoh pastey the code pelase |
| 17:14.18 | Shirik | Mundyz: type(var) |
| 17:14.21 | Cronoh | what pastebin do you guys use? |
| 17:14.24 | Shirik | lua> a = 1; return type(var) |
| 17:14.25 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 17:14.27 | Shirik | eh |
| 17:14.29 | Shirik | lua> a = 1; return type(a) |
| 17:14.30 | lua_bot | Shirik: number |
| 17:14.31 | Cronoh | oh i see it, one second |
| 17:14.32 | Castigo | Cronoh it's on topic |
| 17:14.43 | Shirik | lua> a = 1; return type(a:format("%q")) |
| 17:14.44 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'a' (a number value) |
| 17:14.53 | Shirik | lua> a = 1; return type(a):format("%q") |
| 17:14.53 | lua_bot | Shirik: number |
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| 17:14.58 | Shirik | lua> a = 1; return type(a):format("\"%q\"") |
| 17:14.59 | lua_bot | Shirik: number |
| 17:15.03 | Shirik | ok lua_bot is being stupid |
| 17:15.19 | Shirik | oh wait, no, I'm being stupid |
| 17:15.23 | Shirik | I just woke up don't kill me! |
| 17:15.38 | Shirik | lua> a = 1; return ("%q"):format(type(a)) |
| 17:15.39 | lua_bot | Shirik: "number" |
| 17:15.41 | Shirik | there we go |
| 17:16.05 | Shirik | Anyway Mundyz, look up the type function |
| 17:16.06 | foxlit | Shirik:AttemptMurder("later", 2600) |
| 17:16.08 | |Jelly| | ~whalenuke Shirik, how has been caught without any form of defense from a NUKE (that can't be dodged) |
| 17:16.09 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Shirik, how has been caught without any form of defense from a NUKE (that can't be dodged) with his mind powers. |
| 17:16.19 | Mundyz | will do |
| 17:16.20 | Mundyz | thanks |
| 17:16.23 | Shirik | ~whaleparry |Jelly| |
| 17:16.24 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry |Jelly|'s attacks. |
| 17:16.47 | foxlit | there's no nuke :/ |
| 17:16.53 | foxlit | there's nothing to parry, either :/ |
| 17:16.56 | Shirik | You can totally parry a nuke |
| 17:16.59 | Cronoh | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/99751 is my XML file, the <Ui> tag has stuff in it, but the urls caused some hard to beat validation lol so i removed it |
| 17:17.03 | |Jelly| | You can not. |
| 17:17.18 | Shirik | Cronoh: You can't remove it |
| 17:17.27 | Cronoh | i removed it when pasting is all |
| 17:17.32 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:17.32 | Shirik | heh |
| 17:17.34 | foxlit | Er, sure you can |
| 17:17.40 | Castigo | shirik it works without them too tbh |
| 17:17.46 | Shirik | Not if you want to use a good XML editor! |
| 17:17.59 | foxlit | Notepad is an _awesome_ XML editor |
| 17:18.31 | Castigo | Cronoh ur onload never gets called? |
| 17:18.35 | |Jelly| | See guys? The radiation is getting to him. |
| 17:18.35 | Shirik | Castigo: What's in your Lua file |
| 17:18.41 | Shirik | something tells me you're calling that script too early |
| 17:18.42 | Cronoh | it does, but theres no frame on my screen |
| 17:18.57 | Castigo | MyAddon:Show() is called i suppose? |
| 17:18.57 | Shirik | actually I take that back |
| 17:18.58 | Cronoh | i got the LUA part working, trying to make frames and buttons |
| 17:19.04 | Shirik | Well show the Lua part |
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| 17:19.06 | Cronoh | huh, no its not |
| 17:19.14 | Shirik | your XML is fine |
| 17:19.21 | Shirik | (assuming there's no problems in the removed part) |
| 17:19.28 | Castigo | p.s. how do u know it'snot displayed if it hasn't got any textures/texts on it? :) |
| 17:19.33 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik. Sleep schedule adjusted yet? |
| 17:19.37 | Cronoh | i didn't know i need to call that, if i may ask (new to the language) what does the ":" refer to, a child event? |
| 17:19.37 | Shirik | not even close |
| 17:19.43 | |Jelly| | PEPPY! <33333333 |
| 17:19.54 | Shirik | Cronoh: That is a syntactic sugar for a function call |
| 17:19.59 | Shirik | foo:bar() is the same as foo.bar(foo) |
| 17:20.01 | Cronoh | i figured it would be a slickly blacked out border on my screen with nothing |
| 17:20.05 | Shirik | foo:bar(baz) is the same as foo.bar(foo,baz) |
| 17:20.06 | Castigo | Cronoh it's the equivalend for -> in php |
| 17:20.10 | Cronoh | ah okay |
| 17:20.22 | foxlit | "Perl doesn't have an infatuation with enforced privacy. It would prefer that you stayed out of its living room because you weren't invited, not because it has a shotgun." |
| 17:20.24 | Cronoh | but like i dont have a function called Show9) ? do i need to makie one |
| 17:20.30 | Cronoh | sorry Show() |
| 17:20.40 | Castigo | no it's a frame function |
| 17:20.43 | Shirik | yes you do |
| 17:20.44 | Cronoh | k |
| 17:20.47 | Cronoh | uh |
| 17:20.49 | Shirik | MyAddon:Show() |
| 17:20.54 | Castigo | the class "frame" or region should have it implemented already |
| 17:20.59 | Castigo | but u need to call it |
| 17:21.01 | Shirik | however I would like to reiterate Castigo's question |
| 17:21.06 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Jelly-dear. |
| 17:21.09 | Shirik | how do you know it's not showing if there's nothing there? |
| 17:21.25 | Shirik | morning Lopeppeppy |
| 17:21.26 | [SW]Dodge | does mongoose proc for feral druids now? :) |
| 17:21.30 | Shirik | I looked up "Type A" :P |
| 17:21.34 | Cronoh | on the tutorials i was looking at, he didnt set anything inside but it was still a big empty, visible box |
| 17:22.37 | Castigo | shirik yes pl0x :P i am stuck with this problem and no way out atm :P |
| 17:22.43 | Shirik | He had to have set a texture |
| 17:22.57 | Cronoh | how do i give the box just a black background? |
| 17:23.46 | Castigo | MyFrame:SetBackdropColor(0,0,0,1) |
| 17:23.48 | Castigo | something like that |
| 17:23.57 | Cronoh | can i define it in the CML somewhere? |
| 17:24.00 | Cronoh | XML* |
| 17:24.25 | Castigo | not sure, but u can use it in ur code |
| 17:24.27 | foxlit | yes. |
| 17:24.35 | Castigo | but i am no expert in that field |
| 17:24.50 | Castigo | my wild guess is that ur frame is displayed but since it's "empty" nothing gets showed |
| 17:25.06 | Cronoh | okay |
| 17:25.07 | Castigo | why don't u try ingame /script MyFrame:SetBackdropColor(0,0,0,1) ? |
| 17:25.12 | Cronoh | can i just add some words to it easily? |
| 17:25.14 | Cronoh | i did, no go |
| 17:25.37 | Castigo | uhm... |
| 17:25.44 | Castigo | ah ah! |
| 17:25.47 | Cronoh | :? |
| 17:25.51 | Castigo | try |
| 17:26.05 | Castigo | try /script MyAddon:SetWidth(100) |
| 17:26.14 | Castigo | and /script MyAddon:SetWidth(100) |
| 17:26.25 | Castigo | SetHeight |
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| 17:26.39 | Cronoh | not working lol =/ |
| 17:26.44 | Cronoh | want to see my lua aswell? |
| 17:26.47 | Castigo | nah i was being stupid there |
| 17:26.54 | Castigo | abs dimension are already set |
| 17:26.57 | Castigo | sorry |
| 17:28.24 | Cronoh | ]http://wowuidev.pastey.net/99752 |
| 17:28.27 | Cronoh | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/99752 |
| 17:28.39 | Cronoh | btw, changed name to MyAddon_Frame so it isnt confusing (In XML aswell) |
| 17:29.55 | Shirik|AFK | Man, ever since last night my right foot is killing me whenever I walk on it or try to move it :/ |
| 17:30.11 | Shirik|AFK | not really move it, just move my toes |
| 17:30.26 | Cronoh | whats you do to it |
| 17:30.29 | Cronoh | whatd* |
| 17:30.34 | Castigo | shirik did illidan jumped on ur foot between a trap and another? |
| 17:30.56 | Cronoh | castigo: do you see any obvious errors or something? Eveyrhting was making perfect sense until now ;x |
| 17:31.04 | Castigo | Cronoh nope |
| 17:31.15 | Castigo | but all i can see is that ur function gets called on a slash command |
| 17:31.24 | Castigo | i can't see anything related to the frame really |
| 17:31.31 | Cronoh | first line after the onload event |
| 17:31.46 | Castigo | yup that displays the frame (which is empty) |
| 17:31.57 | darko`` | Bye |
| 17:31.58 | Castigo | then on /madd to a guildroster stuff |
| 17:32.05 | Cronoh | hmmm |
| 17:32.11 | Cronoh | let me go figure out how to add a button to the frame |
| 17:32.13 | Cronoh | and try this again |
| 17:32.21 | Cronoh | or is the button its own object |
| 17:32.25 | Castigo | yep |
| 17:32.32 | Castigo | will do a pastey for u |
| 17:32.34 | Castigo | hang on |
| 17:34.29 | Cronoh | my first attempt = fail :D |
| 17:35.03 | Shirik|AFK | I don't know what I did to it |
| 17:35.06 | Shirik|AFK | it just started happening :/ |
| 17:35.18 | Castigo | something like this : http://wowuidev.pastey.net/99753 |
| 17:36.17 | Cronoh | add that in the on load? |
| 17:36.19 | Mundyz | can anyon e give me a real quick explanation on how savedvariables work |
| 17:36.30 | Mundyz | i dont quite get it |
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| 17:36.51 | Shirik|AFK | http://www.wowwiki.com/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions |
| 17:36.58 | Mundyz | thanks Shirik|AFK |
| 17:37.39 | Cronoh | yours didnt add a button either |
| 17:37.43 | Cronoh | i must have screwed soemthing up |
| 17:37.58 | Castigo | brb sec |
| 17:37.58 | Cronoh | the on load is getting fired i know because its emoting |
| 17:38.22 | mikma | i pimped my battleminimap! http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_102608_193338.jpg |
| 17:38.35 | Codex| | if i have an addon that is NOT load on demand, that is enabled on the chasracter login, yet it has a depency disabled |
| 17:38.46 | Codex| | does it still load and use memory? |
| 17:38.54 | Codex| | character* |
| 17:38.58 | cladhaire | no, if the dependency is disabled, it won't load. |
| 17:39.01 | cladhaire | if its a hard dependency |
| 17:39.02 | Codex| | thanks |
| 17:41.08 | Codex| | ~seen kemayo |
| 17:41.12 | purl | kemayo is currently on #wowuidev (1d 7h 12m 40s) #wowace (1d 7h 12m 40s) #curseforge (1d 7h 12m 40s), last said: 'asmodai: If your perking is relating to me fixing up any of my addons, I warn you that it's somewhat unlikely. :D'. |
| 17:42.10 | Cronoh | k, heres the XML and Lua, if you can help me get this working I think I'll be able to learn from there - just having a hard time making anything show up =x http://wowuidev.pastey.net/99754 |
| 17:43.40 | Mundyz | my addon isn't saving my variable =/ |
| 17:45.02 | Slakah | Pastey your code |
| 17:45.08 | Mundyz | will do, one sec |
| 17:47.29 | Cronoh | aha got it |
| 17:47.31 | Cronoh | you guys were right |
| 17:47.36 | Cronoh | it needed a background color ;] |
| 17:48.50 | Mundyz | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/99758 <-- savedvariable not saving |
| 17:50.15 | Castigo | back sorry about it |
| 17:50.29 | Castigo | Cronoh sorry about that, had guests |
| 17:50.37 | Castigo | is it all sorted or still need help? |
| 17:52.03 | Castigo | Mundyz have u checked that |
| 17:52.03 | Castigo | u got permission to write? |
| 17:52.03 | Mundyz | you mean actual file permission? |
| 17:52.03 | Mundyz | on os level? |
| 17:52.03 | Castigo | yes |
| 17:52.03 | Mundyz | yes |
| 17:52.05 | Mundyz | the savedvariable file gets updated |
| 17:52.20 | Mundyz | it only has this though: ChatFade = nil |
| 17:52.36 | Mundyz | and it does get updated on each reloadui |
| 17:52.44 | Cronoh | yeah np |
| 17:52.51 | Cronoh | it seems to be working, i got the frame showing |
| 17:52.57 | Cronoh | so now im screwing with it |
| 17:53.04 | Slakah | CHATFADE_AMOUNT is set to 1 at the top of the file |
| 17:53.34 | Mundyz | from what i read thats like the default value, but it gets overwritten when the savedvariables are loaded |
| 17:53.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Slakah: which is fine, as SVs are loaded after the addon files are processed |
| 17:53.41 | Mundyz | have i misread/misunderstood? |
| 17:53.52 | Mundyz | ah |
| 17:55.01 | Cronoh | sorry to ask a retarded question, does Lua support elseif or else if ? |
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| 17:55.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Lua supports them, yes |
| 17:55.19 | Cronoh | either works? |
| 17:56.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> a = 1; if (a==2) then print(a) elseif (a==1) then print("a") end |
| 17:56.07 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: a |
| 17:56.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> a = 1; if (a==2) then print(a) else if (a==1) then print("a") end |
| 17:56.11 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 17:56.17 | ScytheBlade1 | So only 'elseif' |
| 17:56.23 | Cronoh | ah k thanks |
| 17:57.22 | Mundyz | Castigo any luck? |
| 17:58.47 | Cronoh | off the top of your head - how do you send messages like to "console"? not a chat frame |
| 17:58.55 | Mundyz | or anyone know why its not saving? |
| 17:59.00 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't send them to "consoWe have had some net5501 manufacturing problems, see this page for details, holding back net5501 shipments. Those problems should be resolved now, the backlog should be cleared quickly and we expect the net5501 to resume shipping from stock in 5-7 days. |
| 17:59.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Ack |
| 17:59.08 | Mundyz | nice |
| 17:59.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry |
| 17:59.09 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't send them to console |
| 17:59.20 | Cronoh | with all my current addons, they show up |
| 17:59.24 | Cronoh | but its not a chat that anyone else sees |
| 17:59.31 | Cronoh | im not sure what the chat mode is called |
| 17:59.39 | Cronoh | like when you type /addon commands |
| 17:59.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Second, I'd try to /run CHATFADE_AMOUNT = 0.5; ReloadUI() |
| 17:59.43 | ScytheBlade1 | And see if it saved |
| 18:00.01 | Mundyz | ok |
| 18:00.04 | Castigo | Scythe i been a good boy, i helped Cronoh, can i get some help back now :P pls plspls |
| 18:00.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Cronoh: that's just chat, nothing special |
| 18:00.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:00.23 | Cronoh | lol, i know - how do i send messages to it? :D <--noobster |
| 18:00.37 | ScytheBlade1 | To what? |
| 18:00.39 | Castigo | Cronoh what u want to do ? |
| 18:00.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I really have no idea what you're talking about |
| 18:00.46 | Mundyz | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("message") ? |
| 18:00.51 | Castigo | MyFrameString:SetText("MyMessage") |
| 18:00.51 | Cronoh | to the "Chat", i want to display an error like "You need to set an event first" |
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| 18:01.00 | Cronoh | oh sweet, thank you |
| 18:01.02 | ScytheBlade1 | What Mundyz said |
| 18:01.11 | Mundyz | ScytheBlade1 no dice |
| 18:01.27 | Slakah | Mundyz: where are you looking? |
| 18:01.53 | Mundyz | it echos the value when ADDON_LOADED fires, im also looking in the savedvariables file myself with a text editor |
| 18:02.02 | Mundyz | when it echos its the default value |
| 18:02.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 18:02.14 | Mundyz | in the savedvaribles file it still says "ChatFade = nil" |
| 18:02.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Mundyz: um, you're only saving CHATFADE_AMOUNT |
| 18:02.54 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, the last line here is epic: http://notalwaysright.com/after-this-shes-gonna-need-an-antidepressant/1318 |
| 18:02.54 | Mundyz | yes i know |
| 18:02.59 | Mundyz | isnt that what im telling to do |
| 18:03.17 | ScytheBlade1 | So naturally "ChatFade" will be nil in the SVs |
| 18:03.37 | Mundyz | so how do i make it save CHATFADE_AMOUNT |
| 18:03.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Hang on here |
| 18:04.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Mundyz: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/99761 |
| 18:05.02 | ScytheBlade1 | That alone should save whatever value is in CHATFADE_AMOUNT between sessions |
| 18:05.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Defaulting to 1 |
| 18:05.19 | Slakah | Thats what Mundyz had |
| 18:05.27 | Mundyz | thats what i've got isnt it |
| 18:05.28 | Slakah | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/99758 |
| 18:05.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Test just that simplistic example |
| 18:05.59 | ScytheBlade1 | See if it works out for you |
| 18:06.00 | Mundyz | ok |
| 18:06.02 | Mundyz | one sec |
| 18:07.45 | Mundyz | still no |
| 18:07.52 | Mundyz | same thing |
| 18:07.52 | Mundyz | ChatFade = nil |
| 18:08.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ChatFade will ALWAYS be nil |
| 18:08.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Because you haven't set it |
| 18:08.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Check for your CHATFADE_AMOUNT |
| 18:08.15 | Slakah | Have you restarted the game? |
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| 18:08.56 | Mundyz | shouldnt CHATFADE_AMOUNT still be in the savedvariables file |
| 18:09.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 18:09.16 | Slakah | yes, are you checking in the character folder |
| 18:09.20 | Mundyz | yes |
| 18:09.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Be sure you're checking the right file too |
| 18:09.30 | Mundyz | double checked |
| 18:09.32 | Mundyz | its the right one |
| 18:09.41 | Mundyz | its being updated every time i restart/reloadui |
| 18:09.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Can you paste the contents to pastey? Of your SV file? |
| 18:10.10 | Mundyz | ChatFade = nil |
| 18:10.12 | Mundyz | thats it ^^ |
| 18:10.17 | Mundyz | with a newline above and below it |
| 18:10.21 | Slakah | Have you restarted the game between these changes? |
| 18:10.27 | Mundyz | yes |
| 18:10.54 | ScytheBlade1 | That's quite honestly impossible, because as far as I know, you've never told it to save ChatFade |
| 18:10.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Which means: |
| 18:11.08 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) You were saving ChatFade, as defined in your .toc |
| 18:11.23 | ScytheBlade1 | 2) You changed your .toc to save CHATFADE_AMOUNT instead and then |
| 18:11.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 3) Didn't restart WoW when you changed your .toc |
| 18:11.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Test this real quick then |
| 18:11.42 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.07 | Mundyz | ok |
| 18:12.24 | Mundyz | i did change my toc at one stage, cant remember if i restarted the game or not (i did reloadui though, if that does the same thing?) |
| 18:12.32 | ScytheBlade1 | It almost does the same thing |
| 18:12.43 | Lopeppeppy | But not quite the same thing. :) |
| 18:12.45 | ScytheBlade1 | If you ever change the .toc, you have to RESTART THE GAME not just reload the UI |
| 18:12.50 | Mundyz | ok |
| 18:12.55 | ScytheBlade1 | If you ever ADD or REMOVE a file from your addon directory |
| 18:13.03 | ScytheBlade1 | You also have to entirely restart the game |
| 18:13.10 | Mundyz | ah i think its working now |
| 18:13.16 | Mundyz | i did /run ChatFade = 4; ReloadUI() |
| 18:13.21 | Mundyz | and now its saving CHATFADE_AMOUNT |
| 18:13.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Erm |
| 18:13.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Pastey the contents of your SV file now? |
| 18:13.46 | Mundyz | i musnt have restarted the game |
| 18:13.56 | Mundyz | its working now ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:13.58 | Slakah | you mean /run CHATFADE_AMOUNT = 4; ReloadUI() ? |
| 18:14.20 | Mundyz | no, i did ChatFade, but once it reloaded, SV had CHATFADE_AMOUNT = 1 |
| 18:14.21 | Mundyz | the default |
| 18:14.31 | Mundyz | i've just done /run CHADFADE_AMOUNT.... just now |
| 18:14.36 | Slakah | ok |
| 18:14.37 | Mundyz | and its updated in the SV |
| 18:14.43 | Mundyz | so yeah its working now |
| 18:14.53 | Mundyz | so a change in the toc needs a game restart i take it? |
| 18:14.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 18:15.04 | Mundyz | ah |
| 18:15.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Any changes to the .toc requires a full game restart |
| 18:15.21 | ScytheBlade1 | As does adding any files to the addon (even if it's just a texture, or MP3, or something) |
| 18:16.14 | Mundyz | ok so now thats out of the way |
| 18:16.21 | Mundyz | im looking at an already written LDB display |
| 18:16.29 | Mundyz | and it sets "icon" to a tga inside the addon dir |
| 18:16.40 | Mundyz | how would i use an icon already in the game, for example one of the macro icons |
| 18:16.47 | Mundyz | do i have to extract it and put it in my addon dir? |
| 18:16.58 | Mundyz | or can i reference it in the game file itself? |
| 18:17.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope, you can reference it by it's path + name in the MPQs |
| 18:17.06 | Slakah | ^ this |
| 18:17.13 | Mundyz | ok |
| 18:17.15 | ScytheBlade1 | No extraction required |
| 18:17.20 | Mundyz | know any tools i can search for it? |
| 18:17.52 | Slakah | ~addonkit |
| 18:17.53 | purl | Located at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ the addonkit is "The World of Warcraft User Interface Customization tool that allows users to tweak and customize the User Interface." |
| 18:18.21 | Mundyz | cheers |
| 18:19.37 | Mundyz | ah i have this already, this just extracts data into the wow folder |
| 18:20.08 | Mundyz | there isnt a "macro icons" folder though so im unsure of where to start looking =/ |
| 18:20.47 | Mundyz | actually hang on i think im on to something |
| 18:21.14 | Mundyz | ok so say i find the file |
| 18:21.26 | Mundyz | how do i reference that file name in the game MPQ? |
| 18:21.55 | ScytheBlade1 | By the same path you're looking at, kinda |
| 18:22.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 18:22.27 | Mundyz | so would i just go something like Icons\icon_name.blp? |
| 18:22.34 | ScytheBlade1 | How to word this, lol |
| 18:22.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Not quite, you want to use the full path in the MPQs |
| 18:23.57 | Seerah | look in the folder extracted by the addon kit for the art |
| 18:24.02 | Drakhaon | anyone sitting on .rar with all the icons in png? (spell and item icons) |
| 18:24.05 | NightHawkTheSane | "Interface\\Icons\\IconName" i think is what need for icon paths |
| 18:24.07 | Seerah | find the icon you want and use its path |
| 18:24.11 | Seerah | yes |
| 18:24.14 | Mundyz | ah ok |
| 18:24.20 | Mundyz | i'll try it now, thanks |
| 18:24.27 | Seerah | Drakhaon: ? |
| 18:24.30 | NightHawkTheSane | you don't need the extension, and remember the double slashes |
| 18:24.38 | Seerah | and put it in quotes |
| 18:24.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i'll put YOU in quotes. |
| 18:24.54 | Drakhaon | Seerah > I wanna use them on a site |
| 18:24.55 | Seerah | no YOU! |
| 18:24.56 | NightHawkTheSane | "Seerah" |
| 18:25.17 | Seerah | "NightHawkTheSane" |
| 18:25.27 | Seerah | stupid tab complete didn't wanna complete your name :( |
| 18:25.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Well. "okay" then. |
| 18:25.33 | Seerah | I should just stick to NHTS :P |
| 18:25.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, didn't for me either. :( |
| 18:25.43 | NightHawkTheSane | probably because "S didn't match anything |
| 18:25.52 | NightHawkTheSane | I still highlight on that, so it's fine with me :D |
| 18:26.00 | Lopeppeppy | Ya think? :P |
| 18:26.27 | Seerah | Drakhaon: you can use BLP2PNG to convert them |
| 18:26.43 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel was pretty proud when he learned how to spell my name, IIRC. :) |
| 18:26.48 | Seerah | hehe |
| 18:26.55 | Drakhaon | Seerah > yea I know, but if someone already had them I could skip that part :P |
| 18:26.59 | cogwheel | \o/ |
| 18:27.02 | NightHawkTheSane | too many p's imo, Lopeppeppy :P |
| 18:27.09 | Seerah | lo-pep-peppy |
| 18:27.10 | Lopeppeppy | Zoot said he sings the Mis-sis-sippi song to spell me! |
| 18:27.15 | Seerah | a peppy with little energy |
| 18:27.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:27.21 | Lopeppeppy | Nice, Seerah! |
| 18:27.27 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, that actually does work... |
| 18:27.36 | cogwheel | v1.12 |
| 18:27.36 | cogwheel | - Added scrub, tostringall, wipe |
| 18:27.36 | cogwheel | - Visual Studio project upgraded to Visual Studio 2008 |
| 18:27.36 | cogwheel | - Visual C++ Runtime is now statically linked which should eliminate some |
| 18:27.36 | cogwheel | problems running lua-wow under certain Windows installations |
| 18:27.38 | cogwheel | v1.11 |
| 18:27.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I finally sat down one day and decided to get it right :P |
| 18:27.41 | cogwheel | - Added strrelpace (string.replace, wow.strreplace) |
| 18:28.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I got it by memorizing "1 2 2" |
| 18:28.04 | cogwheel | crap |
| 18:28.05 | cogwheel | sry |
| 18:28.15 | cogwheel | stupid right-click to paste |
| 18:28.20 | Seerah | is cog *the* punchline? ;) |
| 18:28.27 | NightHawkTheSane | I will forver rely on my tabcomplete. |
| 18:28.30 | NightHawkTheSane | forever* |
| 18:28.41 | Lopeppeppy | ~hug cogwheel |
| 18:28.42 | purl | ACTION jumps into cogwheel's lap and huggles and *hugs* cogwheel |
| 18:28.55 | cogwheel | hey, at least my client gives me the option to cancel after it does 7 lines :P |
| 18:30.18 | NightHawkTheSane | wow.. http://notalwaysright.com/no-debit-but-plenty-of-loonies/1315 |
| 18:31.23 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, NightHawkTheSane |
| 18:33.15 | Industrial | Anyone ever worked with Power*Architect? |
| 18:33.51 | Castigo | not me, sorry |
| 18:34.12 | Mundyz | nice |
| 18:34.14 | Mundyz | works great |
| 18:34.16 | Mundyz | thanks guys |
| 18:34.23 | Industrial | its bein weird :( |
| 18:37.17 | Lopeppeppy | Does 'weird' have any more specifics? |
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| 18:38.33 | Industrial | I want an identifyable relationship between two tables where one column of two in the primary key is part of the relationship. It doesn't let me and creates the other column thats part of the primary key in the other table aswell. |
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| 18:42.11 | Lopeppeppy | I don't claim to know that program's particular pyschosis, but at least it's specific now. *hug* |
| 18:44.00 | Mundyz | are "tables" lua's "array"? |
| 18:44.10 | NightHawkTheSane | kind of, yes |
| 18:44.22 | cogwheel | http://www.lua.org/pil/2.5.html |
| 18:44.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 18:44.27 | cladhaire | !api 2.5 |
| 18:44.28 | lua_bot | Lua Reference Manual: 'Expressions' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5. Possible sub-sections are: Arithmetic Operators (2.5.1), Relational Operators (2.5.2), Logical Operators (2.5.3), Concatenation (2.5.4), The Length Operator (2.5.5), Precedence (2.5.6), Table Constructors (2.5.7), Function Calls (2.5.8), Function Definitions (2.5.9). |
| 18:44.45 | cogwheel | http://www.lua.org/pil/2.5.html |
| 18:44.57 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 18:45.03 | cladhaire | pil != api :P |
| 18:45.07 | cladhaire | err refman |
| 18:45.31 | cogwheel | er... http://www.lua.org/pil/11.html |
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| 18:48.05 | NightHawkTheSane | lol |
| 18:48.18 | NightHawkTheSane | plague zombies in silvermoon are beating up a target dummy |
| 18:48.33 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. That's classic fun. I bet they were soldiers in a previous life. |
| 18:49.53 | NightHawkTheSane | also, infection debuff down to 1m? |
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| 18:50.17 | Lopeppeppy | It felt shorter to me than before, yes. Not 100% sure though. |
| 18:50.58 | cladhaire | Where is General Marcus Jonathan in 3.X? |
| 18:51.00 | cladhaire | still in front of SW? |
| 18:51.03 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, im not sure, i was getting hit a couple times so it may have just been reduced to 1m before i noticed it |
| 18:51.07 | Lopeppeppy | Last I saw, cladhaire |
| 18:51.11 | cladhaire | thanks! |
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| 19:08.22 | Dashkal | cladhaire: he's a popular target for zombification |
| 19:08.38 | cladhaire | they're killing the mage trainers |
| 19:08.41 | cladhaire | its really obnoxious |
| 19:09.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. Ganking lowbie quest areas, killing trainers/flight points... meh. 2 more weeks. |
| 19:09.08 | NightHawkTheSane | whats obnoxious is that you can't kill the player zombies in shatt :p |
| 19:09.08 | Dashkal | In all fairness, I just play whatever side I happen to be on |
| 19:09.19 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Oh god please life sanct from zombies PLEASE |
| 19:09.30 | Dashkal | At least in normal cities you can just kill them |
| 19:09.34 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 19:10.53 | NightHawkTheSane | and you can't even cleanse the npcs |
| 19:12.24 | Lopeppeppy | I've cleansed NPCs before. |
| 19:12.57 | End | I've heard you can't in shattrath |
| 19:13.01 | NightHawkTheSane | you cant in shatt |
| 19:13.06 | End | but other places work |
| 19:13.18 | End | I can't cleanse myself though |
| 19:13.23 | NightHawkTheSane | so between unkillable player zombies, incurable npcs, it really is a losing battle in shatt |
| 19:13.28 | End | so I just go off what I hear |
| 19:13.31 | Dashkal | Most shatt NPCs won't be targetted by spells |
| 19:13.47 | NightHawkTheSane | End: im in shatt right now, and i can tell you. you can't :) |
| 19:13.51 | Dashkal | I was unable to heal the AD healers |
| 19:14.13 | End | well, there you go :P |
| 19:14.19 | End | can you cleanse npcs in orgrimmar? |
| 19:14.34 | Dashkal | But shatt isn't a lost cause. Kite their zombie packs in circles around AD healers |
| 19:14.41 | NightHawkTheSane | End: yes |
| 19:14.51 | End | ok, cool |
| 19:15.16 | NightHawkTheSane | any of the other capital cities i believe you can dispel npcs |
| 19:16.11 | End | lol |
| 19:16.21 | End | I watched this shaman try to kill a zombie |
| 19:16.23 | End | he failed |
| 19:16.41 | End | wow |
| 19:16.50 | End | then a paladin try to finish off his zombie |
| 19:17.00 | End | he killed it, but failed to cleanse it off of himself |
| 19:17.04 | NightHawkTheSane | killing them isn't hard, cleansing is >< |
| 19:17.08 | End | it resisted 5 or 6 times |
| 19:17.30 | End | well, getting hit reduces the timer, so cleansing becomes part of killing them :P |
| 19:18.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i kite them and avoid getting infected, or try to |
| 19:18.37 | NightHawkTheSane | although, with a 1m debuff timer now |
| 19:19.22 | NightHawkTheSane | that pretty much means any npcs that aren't immediately dispelled will probably turn. |
| 19:19.43 | End | yea |
| 19:20.25 | NightHawkTheSane | and, argent healers are gone from the banks? nice |
| 19:20.59 | Lopeppeppy | Are they, or are they dead? |
| 19:21.13 | NightHawkTheSane | the banner itself was gone from the aldor bank justnow |
| 19:21.15 | End | well, I don't think they spawn anymore :P |
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| 19:22.11 | Lopeppeppy | Being a zombie marks you PvP whether or not you attack anyone. Lovely |
| 19:23.16 | seebs | Yes. |
| 19:23.33 | seebs | I'm currently trying to get an answer to a question about this that I do not think blues will ever answer. |
| 19:23.46 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the question? |
| 19:23.54 | seebs | They have been saying it's "working as intended", and I'm asking whether that includes the people with mental disorders. |
| 19:24.03 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, it does. |
| 19:24.15 | seebs | Well, maybe it does. But I would like to hear a specific answer from a blue. |
| 19:24.51 | seebs | If someone ends up curled up on the floor sobbing and having flashbacks, is that part of what Blizzard devs considered and decided was "okay" because it's so few people it hardly matters? |
| 19:25.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Why do you want to see "working as intended" from a blue? What's the drive? |
| 19:25.08 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, tired of getting killed by zombies. Either I farm my levels, or I die. *sigh* |
| 19:25.10 | seebs | I couldn't necessarily say such a decision would be wrong, but I'd like to know whether they actually thought about it and made that decision. |
| 19:25.44 | NightHawkTheSane | I don't think they could have, or should have tried to, predict that possibility, because it's such a infintessimly small minority |
| 19:25.50 | seebs | The drive, on my part, is that I want to know whether they thought "well, a few players with mental disorders could be seriously screwed up by this, but there are so few of them it hardly matters", or whether they just didn't realize that was a possibility. |
| 19:26.10 | seebs | It's not infinetesimal. Small, sure. Let's say one percent of one percent. |
| 19:26.20 | Lopeppeppy | It's just a game. People are responsible for the OWN health. No one forces anyone to sit down at the computer and subject themselves to things they don't like. |
| 19:26.29 | seebs | Well, wait. We're talking pretty severe reactions. One thousandth of one percent. |
| 19:26.34 | Lopeppeppy | So? |
| 19:26.42 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd call that infinitessimally small |
| 19:26.43 | seebs | So, one per hundred thousand. Which would be, say... a hundred players worldwide. Not many. |
| 19:26.47 | NightHawkTheSane | man, i cannot spell that word >< |
| 19:26.58 | Lopeppeppy | It's still the PERSON'S responsibility. They make the choice to play the game. |
| 19:27.01 | NightHawkTheSane | So no, I dont think they thought about it, considered it, or that it even entered their thoughts |
| 19:27.09 | NightHawkTheSane | And I don't think they have a responsibility to, honestly |
| 19:27.20 | cladhaire | this is fucking stupid. |
| 19:27.25 | cladhaire | i can't play the damn game |
| 19:27.25 | cladhaire | at all |
| 19:27.28 | Lopeppeppy | Me either, NightHawkTheSane. |
| 19:27.30 | seebs | Lopeppeppy, the problem is the surprise factor. I have chosen to play WoW because I think it's safe to play. |
| 19:27.45 | seebs | I know what things are unsafe for me, and Blizzard's advertised feature set says I'm safe. |
| 19:27.53 | seebs | So I log in, and play, and love the game. For about two and a half years. |
| 19:27.53 | Lopeppeppy | seebs, I don't care. You're still responsible for when you see something you don't like, walk away. |
| 19:27.59 | seebs | I did. |
| 19:28.03 | seebs | I logged out the moment it happened. |
| 19:28.14 | NightHawkTheSane | it really does not say that. it tells you, explicitly, that the game experience may change. |
| 19:28.29 | seebs | And three hours later, my pulse was still 10-20bpm higher than normal, and my blood pressure was still way outside my safety margins. |
| 19:28.30 | Lopeppeppy | Then there you are. If you don't like it, don't play. There is no obligation on their part to cater to anyone, at all, with any concern at all. It's their game. |
| 19:28.50 | Lopeppeppy | seebs, then you need medical help for your anxieties. That can't be found here. |
| 19:28.54 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 19:29.08 | seebs | I'm seeing both a doctor and a psychologist. I know about the medical help thing, actually. |
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| 19:29.38 | Lopeppeppy | Then you have a responsibility to yourself not to expose yourself to exciting things. Dunno what else there is to say. Game experience changed. If you don't like it, don't play. |
| 19:29.46 | seebs | I'm just curious as to whether "as intended" means "the parts we considered are working as planned" or "yes, we thought about all of this, and we thought it was okay." |
| 19:30.10 | Lopeppeppy | Bliz didn't take out spiders for people who were phobic. They do not write games to cater to specific interest groups. It is your responsibility to censor your experience. |
| 19:31.15 | NightHawkTheSane | I've said this already, but i'll reiterate, and I'm no blizzard employee, but I'd bet that they'd say the same thing: Working as intended, in all cases. No, they probably did not consider the extremely small subset of people who might be actually harmed, they're probably very sorry to those who may be, but are unwilling to alter the event just for them. |
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| 19:32.03 | seebs | If they're very sorry about those people, then they did not intend that outcome. I want to know whether this is a planned outcome or an unfortunate and unforseen side-effect. |
| 19:32.19 | seebs | I'm guessing the latter, but I'd like to know, because the CM comments make it sound like it may have been considered and intended. |
| 19:32.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Well, I think it's obvoius that they had no intention of physically harming anyone |
| 19:32.27 | End | yes, they're planning to screw you up |
| 19:32.32 | NightHawkTheSane | It's really absurd to think that |
| 19:32.34 | End | they want to harm you as much as possible! |
| 19:33.15 | cladhaire | I hate this |
| 19:33.53 | seebs | NH, I think it's obvious, but what I think is "obvious" about other people is rarely true. |
| 19:33.54 | cladhaire | Its fun if you want to be a zombit. |
| 19:34.07 | cladhaire | but the fact that the game has stopped for everyone else for however long it's going to last.. that is a problem for me. |
| 19:34.16 | Castigo | in lua using # returns the number of elements of an array right? |
| 19:34.24 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: I find it fun to fight the zombies >.> |
| 19:34.24 | seebs | Using it how? |
| 19:34.26 | ScytheBlade1 | In some contexts |
| 19:34.31 | cladhaire | NightHawkTheSane: You're not a level 18 |
| 19:34.35 | cladhaire | who is completely and utterly helpless |
| 19:34.37 | NightHawkTheSane | true |
| 19:34.40 | Castigo | lua> local a = { false, false, true} print(tostring(#a)) |
| 19:34.40 | lua_bot | Castigo: 3 |
| 19:34.55 | Castigo | cheers |
| 19:35.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> a = |
| 19:35.03 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '<eof>' |
| 19:35.08 | seebs | The funny thing is, I'm a champion whiner about the event, I loathe it, it makes me unable to play the game... But if it weren't PvP, it were just all my questgivers dead, I'd probably be having a blast and defending Blizz saying "it's a one-time world event". |
| 19:35.17 | NightHawkTheSane | but why don't you hop on your higher level characters and help out, then? |
| 19:35.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> a = {1 = 1, 2 = 2, "3" = 3}, print(tostring(#a)) |
| 19:35.26 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 19:35.32 | zenzelezz | I'm sure there's an explanation to this... but I'm scared to find a "Vashj macro" post in my guilds forums dated Friday |
| 19:35.40 | seebs | Heyyy. Cladhaire, aren't you one of the people who worked on that WoW interface book? |
| 19:35.43 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> a = {[1] = 1, [2] = 2, ["3"] = 3}, print(tostring(#a)) |
| 19:35.44 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: luabot:1: attempt to get length of global 'a' (a nil value) |
| 19:35.49 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? |
| 19:35.51 | cladhaire | seebs: i wrote over 80% of it, yes. |
| 19:36.00 | Castigo | lolz |
| 19:36.02 | seebs | WTB 3.0 updated version. :) |
| 19:36.07 | cladhaire | seebs: we'll see |
| 19:36.13 | seebs | (That said, even though it's not "current", I went and bought it.) |
| 19:36.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Castigo: in any case, it only works accurately on sequential numeric indexes. If you go 1, 2, 4, you'll get 4. |
| 19:36.27 | seebs | I just published a book (well, it's in-transit to printers), and holy CRAP is that a lot of work. |
| 19:36.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Castigo: if you only have string keys, you'll get 0, etc |
| 19:36.31 | seebs | So I'm really amazed. |
| 19:36.35 | cladhaire | seebs: yes, hehe it sucks |
| 19:36.38 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: commafail |
| 19:36.49 | Castigo | ScytheBlade1 if i got an array of strings instead works? |
| 19:36.53 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: yeah probably. Drugs ftl |
| 19:37.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Castigo: nope, #a only works on sequential numeric keys, period |
| 19:37.32 | Castigo | so how do i know the number of elements |
| 19:37.36 | foxlit | an array of strings would, of course, have sequential numeric keys. |
| 19:37.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Cound them |
| 19:37.37 | Castigo | of a generic array? |
| 19:37.40 | ScytheBlade1 | *Count |
| 19:37.52 | ScytheBlade1 | One by one |
| 19:38.04 | Castigo | ok forget it :P i hardcode the lenght of the array :P |
| 19:38.06 | ScytheBlade1 | (Or keep a count yourself) |
| 19:38.21 | foxlit | lua> a = {"an array", "of strings", "strikes back"}; print(#a); |
| 19:38.22 | lua_bot | foxlit: 3 |
| 19:38.30 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: those are numeric indexes |
| 19:38.36 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: That's an array. |
| 19:38.42 | ScytheBlade1 | yes... |
| 19:38.48 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom's an array |
| 19:38.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i numerically indexed her last night. ;) |
| 19:39.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:39.06 | Castigo | lol |
| 19:39.09 | End | so, since being a zombie puts you in a monster faction, I'm curious about pve servers...can you attack and be attacked by a zombie even if you aren't flagged for pvp? |
| 19:39.15 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 19:39.19 | foxlit | End: zombies can attack everyone |
| 19:39.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yes end |
| 19:39.29 | seebs | Yup. |
| 19:39.29 | foxlit | End: everyone can attack zombies. |
| 19:39.38 | foxlit | Attacking cross-faction will flag you for PvP proper |
| 19:39.46 | seebs | And that's why I'm sitting around whining in the forums intstead of playing. |
| 19:39.47 | End | ok, I figured |
| 19:39.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Castigo: it wouldn't be the first time. if you know what i mean. ;) |
| 19:39.51 | End | since |
| 19:39.57 | foxlit | (so horde zombie vs alliance character == flagged zombie; horde character vs alliance zombie == flagged character) |
| 19:40.17 | End | since I'm in org unflagged, and it looks like that currently (but this is a pvp server, so I didn't know if something is subtley different) |
| 19:40.27 | NightHawkTheSane | although, horde zombie vs horde character = not necessarily flagged chracter |
| 19:40.48 | Castigo | NightHawkTheSane wouldn't be the first time u index a mom of somone |
| 19:40.54 | Castigo | or that u get told like that :P |
| 19:41.18 | NightHawkTheSane | both :D |
| 19:42.01 | Cronoh | anyone know if theres an Lua equivalent to PHP's strpos(), it allows you to specify a string, and it searches through a different string for your search string, and tells you if it exists |
| 19:42.04 | End | attacking your own faction appears to flag you |
| 19:42.15 | End | oh wait, he was probably flagged though |
| 19:42.16 | End | bah |
| 19:42.19 | Castigo | stupid question |
| 19:42.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 19:42.24 | Castigo | from a lua nub |
| 19:42.27 | Castigo | can i define a base class |
| 19:42.32 | Castigo | and inherit from it somehow? |
| 19:42.33 | End | finding alive zombies is really hard |
| 19:42.37 | Lopeppeppy | Just being a zombie flags you. I hearthed to Darkshire, was infected, went outside without hitting or being hit, my timer ran down and I died. PvP flagged. |
| 19:42.42 | End | ah |
| 19:42.47 | End | that makes sense |
| 19:42.49 | Castigo | if yes how? |
| 19:42.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lua is not object oriented, and likewise no |
| 19:43.41 | foxlit | lua is multi-paradigm. You could write something resembling classes and something resembling inheritance. |
| 19:43.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: not so. maybe attacking flagged mobs as a zombie will flag you, but JUST being a zombie won't flag you. I saw an unflagged horde zombie outside silvermoon a little while ago |
| 19:44.03 | NightHawkTheSane | and, i killed him, without flagging |
| 19:44.09 | cladhaire | Castigo: You should read this: http://lua.org/pil |
| 19:44.09 | foxlit | But since most code isn't OO, you really don't have to bother -- just abuse the duck typing and be happy. |
| 19:44.37 | Cronoh | anyone have an answer to my question above? |
| 19:44.37 | Castigo | clad tyvm |
| 19:44.39 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe someone got a distance shot on me. But every time I'm a zombie I'm flagged, and I hate it. Even on a normal server it's a PITA. I'm not getting anything done. *sigh* |
| 19:44.48 | cladhaire | Castigo: Specifically http://www.lua.org/pil/16.html |
| 19:44.59 | cladhaire | Lopeppeppy: Tom and I are recruit-a-friend leveling |
| 19:45.03 | cladhaire | and westfall is unusable. |
| 19:45.34 | Corrodias | it's scary, blizzard has people so addicted to grind-your-own-fun gameplay that a disruption like this gets complaints |
| 19:46.11 | AbsoRayne | |Jelly|: PING |
| 19:46.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: yeah.. :\ |
| 19:46.47 | Lopeppeppy | I'm at level 22 cladhaire, so I'm between Westfall and Darkshire and running around looking up Stalvan... unplayable anywhere in there. |
| 19:46.56 | Cronoh | anyone know if theres an Lua equivalent to PHP's strpos(), it allows you to specify a string, and it searches through a different string for your search string, and tells you if it exists |
| 19:47.06 | AbsoRayne | On Kil'Jaeden, People have been mass spawning extra zombies from the Shattered Sun Trainees to the left of the flightpath in Shatt |
| 19:47.11 | foxlit | Cronoh: yes, there is. |
| 19:47.20 | cladhaire | Lopeppeppy: =( |
| 19:47.25 | cladhaire | Cronoh: you want string.find |
| 19:47.27 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: for the other side of the coin, fortunately for you they've promised it'll be measured in days, not weeks. I'm expecting something to happen on patch day |
| 19:47.28 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, AbsoRayne, that's absolutely precious. *rolls eyes* |
| 19:47.34 | Cronoh | clad: thank you |
| 19:47.35 | AbsoRayne | So at any given time, the Argent Healer, Flight master, and everything within 40 yards of there is green / dead. |
| 19:47.37 | cladhaire | lua> pprint(string.find("Hello World", "or")) |
| 19:47.37 | lua_bot | cladhaire: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'pprint' (a nil value) |
| 19:47.43 | cladhaire | lua> print(string.find("Hello World", "or")) |
| 19:47.44 | lua_bot | cladhaire: 8, 9 |
| 19:47.46 | NightHawkTheSane | there was an old MUD i used to play, they did something i thought was absolutely awesome. There was a login notice that stated "high level monsters may change without notice. you're a high level character, learn to adapt". And they actually -did- change high level mobs on occasion. it was awesome. |
| 19:47.48 | Lopeppeppy | Daskhal, when is "patch day" ? Not today. And I'm bored. |
| 19:47.56 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: Its fun to watch when you dont sleep correctly :/ |
| 19:47.59 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: Tuesday is likely 3.0.3 |
| 19:48.05 | NightHawkTheSane | there'd be so many complaints in wow if illiden just started doing somthing COMPLETELY different. |
| 19:48.10 | AbsoRayne | Also, wtb sleep. and raid frames that I like with my UI, PST. |
| 19:48.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 19:48.18 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 19:48.33 | Lopeppeppy | AbsoRayne, you're not liking your Grid setup? |
| 19:48.44 | Codex| | ~seen kaso |
| 19:48.47 | purl | kaso is currently on #wowhead (2h 50m 7s) #wowuidev (2h 50m 7s) #wowwiki (2h 50m 7s), last said: 'damn everyone else who has a name with "k"'. |
| 19:48.54 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: Im kinda tired of it. It doesnt feel like it fits the UI sometimes |
| 19:48.58 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not currently raiding so I haven't mucked with it. But I used to use sRaidframes and PerfectRaid at different points. |
| 19:49.11 | Castigo | cladhaire tyvm it's alot more cleared now |
| 19:49.16 | cladhaire | :P |
| 19:49.23 | Castigo | rtfm :P |
| 19:50.00 | Shirik | did someone just tell cladhaire to rtfm? o.o |
| 19:50.08 | Shirik | Or did I just join at a bad time? |
| 19:50.14 | AbsoRayne | http://i36.tinypic.com/nyfuvm.png Raid shot, lewl 31.4K Last Stand ^_^ |
| 19:50.22 | Lopeppeppy | I was here the whole time and I'm all confuzled too, Shirik. |
| 19:50.32 | Shirik | it's ok Lopeppeppy we can be confuzled together |
| 19:50.41 | foxlit | past tense of r, I think. |
| 19:50.49 | foxlit | with an implied "I" |
| 19:51.04 | Shirik | I think I fractured my foot :/ |
| 19:51.12 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik love, how did you manage to do that? |
| 19:51.17 | Shirik | I really have no idea |
| 19:51.26 | seebs | I was expecting the Big Event to be tonight so more players will be on for it. |
| 19:51.26 | Shirik | I'm not even kidding |
| 19:51.29 | Lopeppeppy | ... not an acceptable answer? |
| 19:51.39 | Castigo | Shirik: nope the opposite, cladhaire pointed me out a link for a nubness in lua of mine |
| 19:51.51 | Castigo | i couldl have solved by googling :P |
| 19:51.55 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: it seems like we've not quite yet reached the climax.. |
| 19:51.56 | Lopeppeppy | Kick something? Drop something? Carry something very heavy? |
| 19:52.01 | Shirik | I can't put pressure on it today at all in the spot where it hurts, and it definitely doesn't feel like a muscle pain or anything |
| 19:52.08 | Shirik | but I haven't "done" anything since yesterday |
| 19:52.11 | seebs | Yeah. But "not quite yet" at 3PM could work for "cities razed a bit after dinner". |
| 19:52.27 | End | ScytheBlade1: I broke it again! |
| 19:52.28 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* depends on where they want to go with this |
| 19:52.33 | ScytheBlade1 | End: broke what? |
| 19:52.35 | Shirik | all I had was a LAN party yesterday and that doesn't exactly involve physical activity |
| 19:52.45 | Castigo | Shirik: what mom says is |
| 19:52.46 | Lopeppeppy | Carrying your computer around? |
| 19:52.46 | NightHawkTheSane | right now, we're down to 1m on the infected debuff, but it could easily drop further, or become instant |
| 19:52.48 | End | my combat log events...let's see now |
| 19:52.51 | AbsoRayne | One thing I do love about this event |
| 19:52.51 | Castigo | "if u can move it ain't broken" |
| 19:52.54 | Shirik | I used my laptop :/ |
| 19:52.59 | ScytheBlade1 | End: oh! |
| 19:53.01 | AbsoRayne | I have the pretty recolored Judgement gear on my warrior |
| 19:53.02 | Shirik | And I'm always carrying my laptop |
| 19:53.03 | AbsoRayne | ^_^ |
| 19:53.03 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik dear, health center on Monday, kk? |
| 19:53.08 | End | I went afk |
| 19:53.15 | Shirik | I think they're getting sick of me, Lopeppeppy |
| 19:53.16 | End | I was a zombie when I got back |
| 19:53.17 | End | I died |
| 19:53.19 | Shirik | no pun intended |
| 19:53.21 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: It's at one minute? Didn't realize that, I thought I had just got munched when it was suddenly at 55s :p |
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| 19:53.22 | End | now I notice it's broken |
| 19:53.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: no, its at 1m now, took me a sec to veerify it, but yeah |
| 19:53.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, what's wrong with Shirik? |
| 19:53.34 | Lopeppeppy | Well, it's their job, so.... or you can RICE it for 2 days and see what happens. |
| 19:53.39 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, I broked him. |
| 19:53.41 | Shirik | RICE? |
| 19:53.59 | Castigo | Shirik it's an old chinese method, u put it in rice for 2 days |
| 19:54.00 | Lopeppeppy | Rest. Ice. Compression. Elevation. Standard treatment for a sprain/strain/ouchie which is not a broken. |
| 19:54.02 | Castigo | and hope for the best |
| 19:54.04 | Lopeppeppy | Catigo. :P |
| 19:54.24 | End | and for the record, disabling all addons and reloading the ui doesn't cause the problem to fix itself |
| 19:54.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That's weird indeed |
| 19:54.42 | End | if it's addon caused, an addons breaking something pretty deep that a reload with no addons can't fix |
| 19:54.51 | Castigo | i never knew it to be working, but i know few ppl changed eye shape like that |
| 19:54.53 | Lopeppeppy | Log out and back in, formally? |
| 19:54.54 | Castigo | :p |
| 19:55.09 | End | Lopeppeppy: that does fix it |
| 19:55.18 | ScytheBlade1 | We don't want to fix it quite yet :) |
| 19:55.20 | ScytheBlade1 | We want to poke :) |
| 19:55.24 | Lopeppeppy | Something is fuxxored. If you break the UI, you get to keep both pieces! |
| 19:55.24 | Castigo | cladhaire in my case i was looking more for some overriding of functions but i suppose that might help anyway |
| 19:55.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: that's the thing. His UI is broke in ways that addons can't break it |
| 19:55.54 | End | it's not usually broke! |
| 19:56.02 | End | it just..breaks sometimes |
| 19:56.28 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, have you seen the awesome ashtounge cowl? |
| 19:56.28 | Lopeppeppy | ... gremlins in your WoW. Neat. Zombies are invading your computer. |
| 19:56.29 | End | it breaks my real combat log too though |
| 19:56.37 | NightHawkTheSane | yay! squashling! |
| 19:56.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you showed me |
| 19:56.50 | Shirik | I wish addons could do that |
| 19:56.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: End's problem is unique, and you'd like it. His combat events stop firing entirely |
| 19:57.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: Gremlins indeed |
| 19:57.07 | Shirik | unfortunately it's something that would be a security flaw |
| 19:57.20 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: He's sure that it's not that he's unregistering them? |
| 19:57.40 | End | when I reload my ui the problem persists, even if I disable all addons while reloading my ui |
| 19:57.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: a simple test (that I told him to do.. poke) says no |
| 19:58.01 | Shirik | wait so like even your combat log stops working? |
| 19:58.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 19:58.12 | Shirik | maybe he broke it by doing something like this |
| 19:58.14 | Shirik | --> return true; |
| 19:58.14 | batbot | Shirik: > :) |
| 19:58.17 | Shirik | --> return false; |
| 19:58.17 | batbot | Shirik: > :( |
| 19:58.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I did a simple "make a frame, register an event, do something" test and it didn't fire |
| 19:58.54 | Shirik | batrick: You didn't fix that? o.o |
| 19:59.05 | ScytheBlade1 | So unless some piece of code is looping over every frame and unregistering that event on every frame every OnUpdate... |
| 19:59.17 | Castigo | End i had the same problem with a buggy version of omen and prat |
| 19:59.19 | Shirik | shouldn't be possible considering all addons are (supposedly) disabled |
| 19:59.38 | Shirik | what happens if an error occurs during an event? Do other handlers get processed? |
| 20:00.18 | Castigo | shirik i believe there was a bug in ace which just ate all the events and didn't dispatched them |
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| 20:00.35 | Shirik | but ScytheBlade1 did a test with the built-in API, right? |
| 20:00.40 | End | yes |
| 20:00.45 | Shirik | Even if Ace is broken to hell it shouldn't be able to eat the events of the built-in UI |
| 20:00.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Ace is meaningless |
| 20:00.52 | ScytheBlade1 | (In this context) |
| 20:01.02 | ScytheBlade1 | End: it's broke right now, and all of your addons are disabled, yes? |
| 20:01.15 | End | no, not anymore |
| 20:01.22 | ScytheBlade1 | To which question? |
| 20:01.25 | End | I tried to reproduce it :P |
| 20:01.26 | Shirik | I really have no idea what to even say to this |
| 20:01.29 | Shirik | it seems very strange |
| 20:01.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: join the club |
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| 20:01.43 | Shirik | I blame cladhaire |
| 20:01.48 | cladhaire | ok |
| 20:01.48 | sylvanaar | me too |
| 20:01.51 | Shirik | no particular reason, he just seems like a good person to blame |
| 20:01.56 | End | it stopped working before or when I became a zombie |
| 20:02.16 | End | I agree that's it's very strange though |
| 20:02.26 | ScytheBlade1 | End: break it again, turn off addons, and poke me... I'll paste a simple test again |
| 20:02.31 | End | I think the bug always pops up after a while |
| 20:02.32 | End | ok |
| 20:02.34 | End | will do |
| 20:02.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Or poke shirik |
| 20:02.46 | ScytheBlade1 | He can conjure it up on the fly too |
| 20:02.46 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:02.51 | End | I honestly think zoning might be triggering it |
| 20:03.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: just a quick test to see if the event fires |
| 20:03.18 | End | oh, I can conjure that up too ;-p |
| 20:03.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 20:03.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Then do so :) |
| 20:03.30 | End | the normal combat events stop firing too though :P |
| 20:05.00 | NightHawkTheSane | End: wait, what broke? |
| 20:05.20 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: something that technically can't be broken (by anything we have access to) |
| 20:05.29 | NightHawkTheSane | what is that something, though? |
| 20:05.39 | ScytheBlade1 | COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED stops firing |
| 20:05.39 | Shirik | signs that you have been in WoW for way too long: When writing completely unrelated code and you need to check something, you write this: http://wowi.pastey.net/99780 |
| 20:05.43 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh |
| 20:05.48 | NightHawkTheSane | I've seen that, or at least i think i have. |
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| 20:05.57 | NightHawkTheSane | it happened to me once in AV |
| 20:05.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ shirik |
| 20:06.33 | End | I saw in happen on beta, but I blamed msbt at the time...I didn't realize the reason it wasn't working was because it wasn't getting events |
| 20:06.38 | Fisker- | Err you shouldn't be doing damage on kalecgos at all on the dragon? |
| 20:07.23 | Cronoh | like you have CreateFram(), is there like CreateCheckbox aswell? |
| 20:07.27 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: Want to see what they currently look like for the newest release of the UI? (the raid frames >_>) |
| 20:07.29 | Cronoh | CreateFrame* |
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| 20:15.03 | End | the UC guards annoy me |
| 20:15.07 | End | they look infected |
| 20:15.10 | End | but they aren't |
| 20:15.17 | Shirik | Hrm |
| 20:15.23 | Shirik | my battery says "Warning: Low battery" |
| 20:15.31 | Shirik | So I hover over it and it says "54 minutes remaining" |
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| 20:17.19 | Lopeppeppy | AbsoRayne, I'd love to see. (Sorry, was AFK being a cat slave) |
| 20:17.37 | Shirik | that sounds hot |
| 20:17.58 | Shirik | Okay, so I'm a bit confused. I thought this message was supposed to say "These are the modes I support" |
| 20:18.12 | Shirik | So is freenode saying "I support everything, rawr!"? |
| 20:18.12 | Shirik | :tolkien.freenode.net 004 Shirik_ tolkien.freenode.net hyperion-1.0.2b aAbBcCdDeEfFGhHiIjkKlLmMnNopPQrRsStTuUvVwWxXyYzZ01234569*@ bcdefFhiIklmnoPqstv |
| 20:18.21 | Shirik | it literally went through every letter... |
| 20:18.27 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: http://hdimage.org/images/hmpqpe0dsbno6gwryj2s_ocrnhot102608160539.png Ignore the overly bright death effect. Its probably one of the most minimalist things ive done |
| 20:18.54 | Cide | all those faded lines |
| 20:19.15 | Lopeppeppy | You don't even have any frames, it's just in-vis-ible! Neat. |
| 20:19.23 | Lopeppeppy | Not sure I could raid heal with it, but it's damn pretty! |
| 20:19.45 | Shirik | I have to admit that's pretty cool |
| 20:23.43 | AbsoRayne | Yeah, thats what im worried about is raid healing. |
| 20:23.51 | mikma | Scourge Invasion - Phase 5 |
| 20:23.52 | mikma | Disease has been reduced from 2 minutes to 1 minute ... Capital cities are definitely going to be a mess, especially now that most of the Argent Healers are gone. |
| 20:23.54 | AbsoRayne | What Ill probably do is just leave Grid in the package |
| 20:24.02 | AbsoRayne | for teh heal0rz |
| 20:24.15 | mikma | go for oUF + oUF_Grid <3 |
| 20:24.36 | Lopeppeppy | I'm trying hard to get used to Grid, and I just can't do it. *sigh* The way info is displayed is jut not intiuitive to me. |
| 20:24.50 | AbsoRayne | Tried oUF, but I really didnt want to rebuild my entire UI around it. :/ |
| 20:25.06 | AbsoRayne | What healing class do you play? |
| 20:26.47 | Lopeppeppy | I play a holy paladin. It's the little squares in this corner or that corner or the other corner... I can't process which-corner-means-what fast enough for 25 people. |
| 20:27.32 | AbsoRayne | Why not just widen the frames so you can easily tell the difference? O_o |
| 20:27.43 | AbsoRayne | Also, I play Druid, so LolLifebloom and Wild Growth for me <3 |
| 20:28.03 | AbsoRayne | Im obsessed with Wild Growth, its easily my top used heal now :B |
| 20:28.10 | Lopeppeppy | Scale = screen covered, etc. I just couldn't grasp Grid in my brain, so I went back to sRaidframes. |
| 20:28.26 | Cronoh | is this wrong? local newButton = CreateFrame("CheckButton", nil, KriegHelper_Frame); |
| 20:28.28 | Lopeppeppy | I have a 51 druid I want to finish leveling for the expansion to be a healer, fat luck with the zombies. |
| 20:28.40 | AbsoRayne | dr00ds are fun |
| 20:28.40 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 20:28.42 | AbsoRayne | I love mine |
| 20:28.44 | Shirik | Cronoh:Define wrong |
| 20:28.52 | Shirik | what are you trying to do? |
| 20:28.58 | AbsoRayne | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&n=Absoluttree <3 Dr00d |
| 20:28.59 | Cronoh | well, it pops up an unabled to "concantrate" a nil value |
| 20:29.03 | Cronoh | add a check button to this frame |
| 20:29.06 | seebs | Lopeppeppy, have you tried Azshara or the non-humanoid parts of Un'Goro? |
| 20:29.12 | Lopeppeppy | My ex used to play a bear, but I really want to dance as a tree. |
| 20:29.28 | Lopeppeppy | seebs, I can't get her out of friggin' Gadgetzan. *sigh* |
| 20:29.34 | seebs | I would think you could pretty much farm raptors in SE Un'Goro for hours without being anywhere near any zombies. No one can turn the one tauren questgiver into a zombie horde. :) |
| 20:29.45 | seebs | Oh. Well, okay, you'd have to corpse run it, then. Which would suck. |
| 20:29.48 | AbsoRayne | 51? Go to Felwood |
| 20:29.52 | AbsoRayne | imho |
| 20:29.53 | Lopeppeppy | I don't want to FARM my levels. I should be able to quest, darn it. |
| 20:29.55 | Shirik | Cronoh: Where is the error occurring? |
| 20:30.00 | Lopeppeppy | Felwood and Azshara are my faves at 50ish. |
| 20:30.01 | Cronoh | on that line |
| 20:30.02 | Cronoh | it says |
| 20:30.04 | Shirik | uh |
| 20:30.07 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 20:30.10 | seebs | Oh, I totally agree that you should, I'm just trying to suggest something you could do while you're waiting. |
| 20:30.10 | Cronoh | attempt to concatenate a nil value :? |
| 20:30.11 | Shirik | there's no concatenation there |
| 20:30.20 | Shirik | It can't possibly be occuring there |
| 20:30.21 | AbsoRayne | I do what I can, then wiggle my way into Winterspring at 54-55 |
| 20:30.27 | Cronoh | k ummmmm |
| 20:30.27 | AbsoRayne | I LOVE Winterspring |
| 20:30.37 | Shirik | double check the file and line of the error message? |
| 20:30.48 | Shirik | double check that you've saved and reloaded the UI since you last changed it? |
| 20:30.51 | Cronoh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.56 | Shirik | much better |
| 20:30.58 | Cronoh | thats the line after it :D |
| 20:30.59 | Shirik | ok, newButton does not have a name |
| 20:31.04 | Shirik | You specified its name to be nil |
| 20:31.06 | Shirik | remember? |
| 20:31.08 | Cronoh | right |
| 20:31.16 | Cronoh | i had a name before but i was getting an error still |
| 20:31.16 | Shirik | nil.."Text" is illegal |
| 20:31.21 | Cronoh | one second ill replace and tell you error |
| 20:32.16 | Cronoh | attempt to index a nil value |
| 20:32.25 | Cronoh | im attempt to do this in a loop, if that matter :D |
| 20:32.25 | Shirik | ok that's a little different |
| 20:32.41 | Shirik | can you pastey your code that triggered that, and highlight the line that the error occurred on? |
| 20:32.46 | Lopeppeppy | seebs, I'll be 51 for weeks at that rate. Peppy wanna level NOOOOOOW. :P |
| 20:32.47 | Cronoh | yes sir |
| 20:33.47 | Cronoh | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/99781 line 4 |
| 20:34.12 | Cronoh | im assuming i need to give numbers to the name, so they will be unique |
| 20:34.19 | Cronoh | not sure if that is the problem though |
| 20:39.17 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, priest is unplayable, can't get her out of the inn alive. *sigh* |
| 20:39.37 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 20:42.08 | Remaxer|PT | i don't get it....Grid is so Dark in my UI |
| 20:44.34 | Remaxer|PT | is there a opacity option for the frames of Grid....I have GridBackground and borders off...the natural Background by eepanels is black but the icons seem so dark. |
| 20:44.58 | seebs | But peppy, corpse-running is IMMERSIVE! |
| 20:45.11 | Lopeppeppy | I hate getting my nose wet, seebs |
| 20:45.54 | Cronoh | shirik? :x |
| 20:47.10 | Shirik | sorry, yelling at Nechckn |
| 20:47.44 | Shirik | Cronoh: That global doesn't exist |
| 20:47.52 | Shirik | iirc you need some kind of template |
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| 20:48.24 | Cronoh | which global? |
| 20:49.06 | Shirik | TestButtonText |
| 20:49.54 | Cronoh | why not? I did it before |
| 20:49.56 | Cronoh | like |
| 20:50.01 | Cronoh | i made a checkbutton in the XML |
| 20:50.07 | Cronoh | and didn't define any text |
| 20:50.12 | Cronoh | but was able to add it via the same code |
| 20:50.17 | Shirik | did your XML indicate a template? |
| 20:50.26 | Cronoh | i dont believe so |
| 20:50.29 | Shirik | show me the code? |
| 20:50.34 | Cronoh | inherits="OptionsCheckButtonTemplate" |
| 20:50.37 | Cronoh | unless its that :p |
| 20:50.37 | Shirik | there you go |
| 20:50.52 | Cronoh | can i use a template to make this button? |
| 20:50.56 | Cronoh | checkbutton* |
| 20:50.57 | Shirik | put that as the 4th parameter to CreateFrame |
| 20:51.05 | Cronoh | suh wete, thank you |
| 20:51.31 | NightHawkTheSane | wouldn't the API for createframe have said t hat? >.> |
| 20:51.45 | Cronoh | yeah, im really new though i dont understand this whle "template" thing ;x |
| 20:51.50 | Cronoh | sorry |
| 20:52.35 | amro | template: temporarily late |
| 20:52.47 | Cronoh | ic wut u did ther |
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| 20:55.38 | Cronoh | API for setting offset on an anchor point on a widget :? |
| 20:56.23 | Saiket | Any WowInterface admins available at the moment? |
| 20:56.31 | Cronoh | nvm i got it |
| 21:00.19 | cladhaire | Saiket: why? |
| 21:02.30 | Saiket | Need a couple of WotLK beta addons deleted. |
| 21:03.15 | Saiket | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10261-_DevWotLKBeta.html |
| 21:03.20 | Saiket | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11083-_CursorWotLKBeta.html |
| 21:03.24 | Saiket | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10265-_UTFWotLKBeta.html |
| 21:03.27 | Saiket | Those three. |
| 21:04.51 | cladhaire | done |
| 21:05.07 | Saiket | Thanks. :) |
| 21:08.44 | Adys | http://thottbot.com/i32590 or http://thottbot.com/i35321 as frostmage? for pve mostly |
| 21:09.15 | Cronoh | sorry for being a moron, how do i just add text to my frame? Like the easiest way? |
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| 21:10.06 | AnduinLothar | so what should i name this library... it's fairly small, all it does is lets you register saved variable defaults and it sets them if the variable is nil when it loads. can also register a function to fire after loading of an addon. All i got is InitSavedVars atm, would like to Prefix it with Lib but don't like LibInitSavedVars. any ideas? |
| 21:10.11 | Adys | Cronoh: create a fontstring or a button on it |
| 21:10.32 | seebs | "LibDefaults"? |
| 21:10.33 | Adys | AnduinLothar: LibMessiah |
| 21:10.34 | Lopeppeppy | Bloody prowl bar. *sigh* I hate being a druid. |
| 21:10.37 | Adys | all it does is save |
| 21:10.38 | Cronoh | is a fontstring, an object type, such as Button or something? |
| 21:10.48 | AnduinLothar | cute adys |
| 21:10.58 | Adys | Cronoh: http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_FontString |
| 21:10.59 | AnduinLothar | LibDefaults i like |
| 21:11.03 | Cronoh | ty |
| 21:11.21 | seebs | That's actually pretty useful. I would like it more than I like having to manually sort through the addonloaded messages. |
| 21:11.31 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 21:11.37 | seebs | I've been trying to avoid adding any dependencies to my addons, but you may have me hooked now. |
| 21:11.43 | AnduinLothar | it's mainly for addons that don't really need an event frame |
| 21:12.08 | AnduinLothar | I'll put it up on wowi in a min |
| 21:12.19 | seebs | Cool. |
| 21:12.32 | seebs | The only dependency I've been letting myself use is my GetOpt library. |
| 21:12.33 | AnduinLothar | and it lets you set atitrarilly deep table value defaults |
| 21:12.45 | AnduinLothar | loader:SetDefault("MyAddOn", "SavedVar(Table)Name", [key1, [key2, [...] ] ], value) |
| 21:13.21 | AnduinLothar | Simple use: LibStub("LibDefaults"):SetDefault("MyAddOn", "SavedVarName", SavedVarValue) |
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| 21:14.15 | Lopeppeppy | AbsoRayne, is there some trick to getting my prowl bar to show up? |
| 21:14.27 | Shirik | just in time for halloween |
| 21:14.52 | Lopeppeppy | Boo. |
| 21:15.37 | bleeter | kd3: new quest. the forces of the lich king are trying to open portals inside capitals :) |
| 21:15.43 | Cronoh | I see how to mess with "FontString", is this already a part of my Frame, because its not an option for CreateFrame :p |
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| 21:21.04 | Cronoh | anyone? :x |
| 21:24.35 | AnduinLothar | frame:CreateFontString() |
| 21:24.41 | Shirik | hrm, Lopeppeppy, ping |
| 21:25.00 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm? |
| 21:26.42 | ccox | plague vermin.... ewwww |
| 21:27.47 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew. |
| 21:27.52 | amro | at first I read that "mmmm" |
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| 21:28.26 | ccox | I just ran into about 30 infected rats in thunder bluff |
| 21:28.43 | Lopeppeppy | Sexy. Make stew, pied piper |
| 21:29.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: they are seriously everywhere. >< |
| 21:29.26 | ccox | yep |
| 21:29.36 | NightHawkTheSane | it's like a goddamn plague, or some shit. |
| 21:29.37 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, wait.. |
| 21:29.45 | ccox | sigh, and ice block makes me a zombie instantly |
| 21:29.58 | NightHawkTheSane | argent healers are your friend, if you can find one fast enough |
| 21:30.27 | Adys | i hear next phase the timer is reduced to 5 seconds |
| 21:30.31 | nevcairiel | its 1 minute now, hard to get to a healer sometimes |
| 21:30.32 | Adys | <cough> |
| 21:30.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Random question: Can I create a frame that inherents from a frame that's not normally a template? |
| 21:30.46 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: indeed |
| 21:31.02 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: especially when the ones in shatt are dying.. and... don't appear to be coming back |
| 21:31.21 | nevcairiel | You know what i hate most right now, every goddamn idiot is infecting the NPCs in Shat, but Shat is a non-combat zone, so i cannot even kill the damn player-zombies <.< |
| 21:31.32 | Adys | haha |
| 21:31.32 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. and you can't dispel the npcs |
| 21:31.43 | NightHawkTheSane | shatt's more or less a lost cause |
| 21:31.48 | Adys | shattrath made me crash because of that |
| 21:31.52 | seebs | Apparently Arthas was shouting about invading in SW and/or Orgrimmar. |
| 21:31.54 | NightHawkTheSane | which, perhaps ironically, seems appropriate |
| 21:32.05 | seebs | So maybe the city-razing is tonight. We can always hope. |
| 21:32.12 | nevcairiel | we're out of that forsaken city in 3 weeks anyway |
| 21:32.24 | Adys | i kinda like shatt |
| 21:32.29 | Adys | until patch after patch |
| 21:32.36 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe, hey, the forsaken would take offense to that, nevcairiel ;) |
| 21:32.42 | nevcairiel | let them! |
| 21:32.46 | nevcairiel | down with them! |
| 21:32.54 | Adys | *CLINK CLANG CLING CLANK yuhahahahahaha boohohohoo I CRUSHED AN *CLING CLANG* APPLE FRUIT VENDOR!* |
| 21:32.58 | Cronoh | Can anyone tell me what I'm screwing up here (I know its something simple , i dont understand how the fontstrings work) http://wowuidev.pastey.net/99790 |
| 21:33.29 | seebs | I am trying to think whether Blizz is likely to do the Big Reveal on Monday, and it just seems unlikely. |
| 21:34.11 | NightHawkTheSane | its hard to guess what blizzards plan is sometiems. |
| 21:34.27 | nevcairiel | well up until now the event always changed at 9pm (CET), which is about 90 minutes ago, so 23 hours until next step .. who knows |
| 21:34.43 | Hirsute | <--Late to the conversation... what big reveal? |
| 21:35.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: we don't know, but presumably the plague/invasion is drawing to some climax. |
| 21:35.08 | AnduinLothar | seebs: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11419-LibDefaults.html |
| 21:35.15 | seebs | Cool. |
| 21:35.25 | nevcairiel | at least i got my Pet from the kara boss and my tabard already |
| 21:35.31 | Cronoh | Anduin, can you tell me what I messed up here?:x http://wowuidev.pastey.net/99790 |
| 21:35.46 | seebs | The CMs have pretty much hinted that the event will be "over soon", and that that would be more like this week than next. |
| 21:35.49 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: /hate i need to do that. But the spawns are so camped it's not even funny |
| 21:36.06 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: Winterspring. |
| 21:36.07 | seebs | I'm just metagaming it. If I were gonna have Arthas sack a city, I'd do it on a weekend when more players are around to see it. |
| 21:36.12 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: dude, there too. |
| 21:36.20 | nevcairiel | not on my realm |
| 21:36.21 | NightHawkTheSane | thats assuming anythings even up there. |
| 21:36.21 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 21:36.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm hoping the kara boss and the necropolises last at least a week or two more |
| 21:36.37 | nevcairiel | I'm a druid, so i'm in WS like 60s after spawn |
| 21:36.52 | NightHawkTheSane | so the excitement will die down a bit and i can get something done |
| 21:36.54 | AnduinLothar | Cronoh: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/CreateFontString |
| 21:37.08 | nevcairiel | Just wait in WS and watch for the spawns |
| 21:37.09 | AnduinLothar | think you need a name |
| 21:37.13 | nevcairiel | should be able to complete it :P |
| 21:37.26 | Hirsute | Maybe Death Knights will start flooding the land, and we'll all get a chance to start learning to whoop them... |
| 21:37.31 | NightHawkTheSane | well, part of it is that i want to do other things as well, not just sit in WS and wait :P |
| 21:37.56 | nevcairiel | then set your hearth there |
| 21:38.09 | NightHawkTheSane | thats not a bad idea, actually. |
| 21:38.19 | NightHawkTheSane | not like shatt's all that useful right now ;) |
| 21:38.33 | nevcairiel | is the healer on the scryers tier still there? <.< |
| 21:38.57 | NightHawkTheSane | unless he/she's been killed on your realm, yes, last i looked |
| 21:40.24 | seebs | Man, the timeout to being logged out of the forums is down to about 30 seconds. |
| 21:40.43 | Industrial | shit event is making the world server drop |
| 21:41.14 | Cronoh | well, he fontsring doesn't error anymore, but it sill wont make any text come up :[ |
| 21:41.31 | AnduinLothar | anchor it |
| 21:42.16 | seebs | I have to admit that this is the most absolutely consistent widespread complaining I've ever seen in WoW land. |
| 21:42.46 | Adys | what is? |
| 21:42.47 | AnduinLothar | everyone's QQing :) |
| 21:42.50 | NightHawkTheSane | thats how you know blizzard did something right :) |
| 21:43.11 | Lopeppeppy | I see plenty of people who think it's awesome hot fun. |
| 21:43.11 | Adys | if there wasnt anyone enjoying it, no one would be turned into zombies |
| 21:43.16 | Lopeppeppy | So yes, Bliz did it right. *grin* |
| 21:43.22 | Adys | and I think its awesome hot fun <3 |
| 21:43.38 | AnduinLothar | i like hot zombie on zombie action |
| 21:43.45 | Adys | mmm. |
| 21:44.12 | AnduinLothar | oh god |
| 21:44.20 | AnduinLothar | that shirt is awesome tho |
| 21:44.26 | Lopeppeppy | Why do you give me ideas, AnduinLothar? *laugh* |
| 21:44.38 | Hirsute | Sure, lots of people think it's fun... and they're all jerks. |
| 21:44.42 | Hirsute | At least on my server. |
| 21:44.51 | AnduinLothar | it's wow, i thought everyoen was a jerk |
| 21:45.03 | Hirsute | AnduinLothar: Heh. My server's usually pretty mellow. |
| 21:45.15 | Shirik | you know what, my phone is way too loud |
| 21:45.17 | AnduinLothar | i grew up ona pvp server |
| 21:45.18 | seebs | I've seen some really cool, fun, people who are enjoying it and not griefing, but I think they're a minority now. |
| 21:45.19 | Shirik | it's very annoying |
| 21:45.20 | Hirsute | It's RP, but almost no one actually RPs... so maybe that's why, none of us actually care. |
| 21:46.08 | Hirsute | seebs: Yeah, first thing anyone on my server does when they get infected is run to the nearest town and infect every vendor, flight master, innkeeper, auctioneer, banker, and trainer they can. |
| 21:46.13 | NightHawkTheSane | I don't even really mind the griefing. |
| 21:46.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: I consider it a challenge to keep capital cities under control :D |
| 21:47.20 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: I consider it a PITA, but to each his own I suppose. |
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| 21:47.42 | zenzelezz | being the first person to a scourge circle thing is awesome; for the few minutes it lasts before everyone else discovers it |
| 21:47.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: er, well i mean, keep the zombie problem under control |
| 21:48.37 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: I know, I know. I just... when I'm in a major city, the last thing I want to be doing is having to PvP. |
| 21:49.27 | Hirsute | zenzelezz: Yeah, until some person of the opposite faction flags up right before you AoE a group of zombies, takes the damage from your AoE to get you flagged, and then has their whole group gank you... |
| 21:49.35 | Hirsute | <--Very, very tired of the griefing around those things. |
| 21:49.44 | zenzelezz | Hirsute: I don't AoE :-p |
| 21:49.49 | Hirsute | So I'm working on addons for a couple of days instead. |
| 21:49.56 | NightHawkTheSane | doesn't AoE from an unflagged person not hit a flagged person? |
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| 21:50.08 | Hirsute | zenzelezz: Yeah, but I'm a warrior, AoE just got interesting for me. |
| 21:50.10 | mikma | lol that's pretty funny |
| 21:50.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i know i've consecrated over flagged people and not been falgged |
| 21:50.14 | mikma | Mila Kunis is wow-addict |
| 21:50.15 | seebs | NH, that would be correct. |
| 21:50.25 | seebs | Or almost. |
| 21:50.27 | zenzelezz | Hirsute: so am I. I'm just cautious about it |
| 21:50.29 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: If it does, then something else made me flag... it's happened to me a few times. |
| 21:50.33 | seebs | I think AoE can tag flagged *mobs*. |
| 21:50.39 | seebs | But not flagged *toons*. |
| 21:50.51 | seebs | So if you're unflagged, and you AoE a PvP-flagged mob (like a guard), it works and you get flagged. |
| 21:50.52 | seebs | I think. |
| 21:50.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: hm, what were you using? if it was thunderclap, that may be a -multitarget- ability, not an AoE |
| 21:50.58 | NightHawkTheSane | same with whirlwind, i think |
| 21:51.07 | cogwheel | can anyone verify that the only text nodes allowed in wow xml files are Lua scripts? |
| 21:51.13 | NightHawkTheSane | but i dont remember, honestly |
| 21:51.15 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: It was TC, and occasionally Shockwave. |
| 21:52.08 | Hirsute | So that may be the case. |
| 21:52.08 | AnduinLothar | afaik cogwheel |
| 21:52.08 | NightHawkTheSane | shockwave may do it |
| 21:52.08 | NightHawkTheSane | again, im not really sure. |
| 21:52.12 | Hirsute | Either way, the fun has run its course for me there. I think next time I log in I'll try to go do the Bombing Run achievements. |
| 21:52.30 | Hirsute | Can zombies mount their flying mounts? |
| 21:52.35 | Adys | no |
| 21:52.45 | Hirsute | I wondered why I hadn't seen them up in the air. |
| 21:54.11 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the name of the sound file in the MPQs that relate to how this event ends? |
| 21:55.02 | NightHawkTheSane | "ScorchedEarth.mp3"? |
| 21:55.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 21:55.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Know which MPQ it's in? :) |
| 21:55.29 | NightHawkTheSane | (that was sarcasm, btw :p) |
| 21:55.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:56.01 | Adys | it's in SecretStuff.MPQ |
| 21:56.17 | ScytheBlade1 | You're all very useful |
| 21:56.24 | NightHawkTheSane | well, we try |
| 21:57.45 | seebs | I can't find it either, although there's a ton of news stories about how it was found in the MPQ files. |
| 21:57.50 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed |
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| 22:01.14 | seebs | I'm mostly down to being bored waiting for the event to move on. |
| 22:01.54 | seebs | I wish I'd had the foresight to get into the beta so I could play on PTRs, but they're closed to people who don't have the old PTR client. |
| 22:04.02 | Castigo | which are the most common actionbar used |
| 22:04.03 | Castigo | ? |
| 22:04.14 | Castigo | Bartender4, Dominos and ? |
| 22:04.16 | Lopeppeppy | I use Dominos, there's Macaroon and B4. |
| 22:04.41 | Castigo | Dominos is growing stronger, i might betray nevcairiel soon :P |
| 22:05.23 | Castigo | Macaroon is macro based tho isn't it |
| 22:06.08 | Lopeppeppy | It has stronger macro support, but I understand it to be an action bar replacement too. |
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| 22:12.44 | Fisker- | OWNED BY GHOUL ARMY cladhaire |
| 22:12.52 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 22:12.54 | cladhaire | this is fucking stupid. |
| 22:13.11 | Fisker- | gj @ zombies being able to use stormwind portals |
| 22:13.30 | Xinhuan | i've decided that the safest place atm in shattrath is aldor/scryer tiers ;p |
| 22:13.36 | cladhaire | gj at people being stupid and making the game not fun |
| 22:13.47 | Fisker- | this is fun >:3 |
| 22:13.53 | cladhaire | perhaps for oyu |
| 22:13.56 | cladhaire | perhaps for me at level 70 |
| 22:14.01 | cladhaire | its fucking ruined the game for anyone trying to level |
| 22:14.03 | Lopeppeppy | It's fun for some, hideous for others. I'll be glad when it's over. |
| 22:15.01 | Castigo | why ppl don't go an get a rubik's cube instead of killing ppl and making zombie raid it's unknown to me |
| 22:15.26 | foxlit | So you don't think shouting brains and plotting to take over the world is fun? |
| 22:15.48 | cladhaire | sure it is, but the fact that people go out of the way to ruin the game for those of us who have fun leveling |
| 22:15.49 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 22:16.00 | Arrowmaster | its only fun on large scales |
| 22:16.22 | Arrowmaster | a small handful of people doing it in shatt is not fun |
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| 22:16.33 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly. On the small scale, individual players can be VERY unhappy with this event. Macro-scale, it's good RP/Lore and game advancement. |
| 22:16.49 | Lopeppeppy | But if I wind up missing out on the Halloween achievements because I can't log in and live.... grrr. |
| 22:16.57 | Arrowmaster | now having a raid of 40 people attacking their own major city was fun as hell |
| 22:18.03 | Arrowmaster | or our raid were we took over goldshire and the alliance couldnt do a thing about it because we were using the weapon swap glitch before it was fixed was also fun as hell since we had like 200 guards attacking us |
| 22:18.32 | Castigo | what was the glitch? |
| 22:18.54 | Castigo | in zombie form u could have traded ur weap? |
| 22:19.14 | Arrowmaster | well that was one glitch but only a few of us could do it |
| 22:19.27 | Arrowmaster | the main glitch was swaping your ranged weapon healed you to full |
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| 22:19.44 | Sixen | -[ |
| 22:19.45 | Sixen | =] |
| 22:19.46 | Castigo | lol |
| 22:20.05 | Arrowmaster | but they litterally fixed that during our goldshire raid |
| 22:20.07 | foxlit | "cladhaire: sure it is, but the fact that people go out of the way to ruin the game for those of us who have fun leveling" |
| 22:20.10 | Arrowmaster | it just stoped working for all of us |
| 22:20.18 | foxlit | I doubt anyone goes out of their way to ruin your game |
| 22:20.45 | foxlit | It may just be that what other people perceive as fun -- and thus directly on their way to enjoying the event -- interferes with your activities :) |
| 22:20.50 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: eh, there ARE people who do |
| 22:21.07 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: people who think ganking is fun and interesting, for one |
| 22:21.29 | Arrowmaster | we may have been killing alliance lowbies in goldshire that we normally wouldnt have been able to kill because they werent pvp flaged..... |
| 22:21.56 | Fisker- | atleast we killed a kalecgos :3 |
| 22:21.58 | Arrowmaster | they had fair warning though from the 200 guards around attacking us! |
| 22:22.55 | foxlit | Meh, do what you'd do if the Horde were killing every NPC in goldshire. |
| 22:23.32 | Lopeppeppy | I do, foxlit. But that's the problem. It's happening everywhere all at once. I can't just go quest somewhere else, or walk away. It chases me actively. |
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| 22:24.30 | foxlit | So what would you do if the horde were attacking Goldshire, Dolanaar and Azuremyst, and the dwarf camp simultaniously? |
| 22:24.51 | Lopeppeppy | Log off and not play... which is what I'm doing, for the second day in a ROW. With no end in sight. |
| 22:25.06 | foxlit | So basically, your solution is to run away from any form of pvp :) |
| 22:25.09 | NightHawkTheSane | its like there's a plague, or something. |
| 22:25.11 | foxlit | It's not a very good one :) |
| 22:25.13 | NightHawkTheSane | crazy |
| 22:25.16 | seebs | The CMs are continuing to say that they anticipated it being unfun for a while, and that it'll be "short". |
| 22:25.22 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: you can log in and play at my place! |
| 22:25.27 | zenzelezz | free of icky hordies |
| 22:25.32 | foxlit | Point is, there are also people who'd like to kill some zombies -- at least on this realm. Find them, tell them of your plight, they'd be delighted to kick some zombie butt and help you out at the same time. |
| 22:25.37 | zenzelezz | and alliance for that matter |
| 22:25.38 | NightHawkTheSane | the temporary nature of it is pretty much what makes any form of griefing okay, i think |
| 22:25.54 | seebs | FWIW, foxlit, none of that works for me either. I'm just waiting it out, and I wouldn't be complaining if they'd tell me exactly how long I have to wait. |
| 22:26.02 | NightHawkTheSane | it only serves to reenforce the plague/invasion idea |
| 22:26.11 | foxlit | It's the same "ask faction for high-level help" solution that should be used to resolve PvP issues. |
| 22:26.44 | seebs | I have no PvP issues. I don't PvP, it's not an issue. I'm happy. ;) |
| 22:26.51 | Lopeppeppy | They're all the ones who are becoming zombies and think it's funny! *laugh* |
| 22:27.02 | Lopeppeppy | I'm annoyed that I can't play. I hope it clears up soon. |
| 22:27.17 | seebs | But a CM posted saying we "don't have much longer to wait". |
| 22:27.19 | zenzelezz | I wish you didn't need GNERD rage for the Hallow's End achievement... means I'll never get it |
| 22:27.23 | seebs | I don't know whether that means today/tomorrow/whatever. |
| 22:27.26 | seebs | Zen, why not? |
| 22:27.29 | seebs | Oh, because no PvP? |
| 22:27.32 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 22:27.35 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: suck it up and do an av? :) |
| 22:27.44 | seebs | Yeah, I saw that and just decided that I'd live without the PvP-based achievements. |
| 22:27.45 | zenzelezz | I'm not about to waste my 2.5 years of 0 HKs for that |
| 22:27.58 | Arrowmaster | lol |
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| 22:28.34 | seebs | I've got a couple 70s and will have more soonish, and I have as of now a grand total of 0 pvp kills of any sort. |
| 22:28.45 | seebs | Closest is that once a L8 fighter convinced my 60 mage to duel him in goldshire. |
| 22:28.57 | seebs | I could actually regen mana fast enough to keep ice barrier up indefinitely. |
| 22:30.29 | |Yssaril| | just got a critical wow error http://ace.pastey.net/99798 any ideas? |
| 22:31.20 | Cronoh | If anyone has a second, I have this XML File: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/99797 - In my LUA it wont let me reference to ByRankFrame, says its a nil value ;o |
| 22:31.29 | krka | Cronoh: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 22:31.37 | Cronoh | sorry. |
| 22:31.45 | End | LUA LUA LUA |
| 22:32.02 | End | aww, I guess it's on a timer |
| 22:32.05 | NightHawkTheSane | if you say LUA five times, the spirit of krka comes and drags you off to vb HELL |
| 22:32.09 | Arrowmaster | Cronoh: do you have the lua file in the toc? |
| 22:32.10 | End | lol |
| 22:32.18 | Cronoh | Yes |
| 22:32.23 | NightHawkTheSane | course 'vb hell' is kind of redundant, isn't it? |
| 22:32.24 | Arrowmaster | dont |
| 22:32.33 | Arrowmaster | you have it listed in the xml too so its being loaded twice |
| 22:32.44 | Cronoh | Hmmm k, ive had it that way for a long time |
| 22:32.52 | Cronoh | was just moving from having 1 frame, to having two |
| 22:33.24 | Arrowmaster | either remove the line at the top of the xml thats referencing the lua file, and move the lua file to be listed after the xml in the toc, or remove the lua from the toc |
| 22:33.31 | Cronoh | i did |
| 22:33.36 | Cronoh | but that didnt fix the problem sir =x |
| 22:34.06 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 22:34.09 | Arrowmaster | i see the problem |
| 22:34.11 | Arrowmaster | in the xml |
| 22:34.18 | Arrowmaster | replace all 'this' with 'self' |
| 22:34.35 | Cronoh | well |
| 22:34.38 | Cronoh | i just added |
| 22:34.43 | Cronoh | virtual="true" on Main |
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| 22:34.51 | Cronoh | and it dosn't error anymore |
| 22:35.04 | Cronoh | but |
| 22:35.12 | Cronoh | i cant reference that frame still |
| 22:35.23 | Arrowmaster | if its virtual then it doesnt exist |
| 22:35.32 | Cronoh | on MainFrame |
| 22:35.37 | Cronoh | is where i listed virtual |
| 22:36.32 | Arrowmaster | do you know what exaxt line is erroring? |
| 22:36.37 | Cronoh | no |
| 22:36.39 | Cronoh | im telling you |
| 22:36.40 | Cronoh | you see |
| 22:36.45 | Cronoh | the second frame "ByRankFrame" ? |
| 22:36.56 | Cronoh | it isnt being declared as a global :? |
| 22:37.11 | Arrowmaster | are you ingame right now? |
| 22:37.15 | Cronoh | yea |
| 22:37.35 | Arrowmaster | try /run print(type(ByRankFrame)) |
| 22:37.46 | Cronoh | table |
| 22:37.51 | Arrowmaster | then it exists |
| 22:38.00 | Arrowmaster | the error is elsewhere |
| 22:38.06 | Cronoh | one second |
| 22:38.30 | Arrowmaster | you will need to close wow are restart it after editing the toc |
| 22:38.37 | Cronoh | if i remove virtual="True" from MainFrame |
| 22:38.39 | Arrowmaster | s/are/and/ |
| 22:38.41 | Cronoh | it gives me an error on load |
| 22:39.13 | Arrowmaster | whats the error |
| 22:39.19 | Cronoh | sec rebootin wow |
| 22:41.03 | Cronoh | k |
| 22:41.04 | Cronoh | its |
| 22:41.17 | Cronoh | attempt to index global 'ByRankFrame' (a nil value) |
| 22:41.42 | Cronoh | on this line |
| 22:41.42 | Cronoh | local t = ByRankFrame:CreateFontString("TitleText"); |
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| 22:42.48 | Arrowmaster | ok in your wow directory find the Logs directory |
| 22:42.55 | Arrowmaster | there should be a framexml log file |
| 22:43.12 | Castigo | stupid question, if i have a texture child of a frame the texture is "smaller" than the frame even if i use SetAllPoints(frameparent) ? |
| 22:43.35 | Cronoh | i have that log file opened |
| 22:43.44 | Arrowmaster | is there anything in there about your addon |
| 22:43.44 | Cronoh | it has no recent errors in it though |
| 22:44.00 | Cronoh | only from something i messed up like 45 mins ago |
| 22:44.03 | Arrowmaster | really? |
| 22:44.05 | Cronoh | yeah |
| 22:44.21 | Arrowmaster | you must not have any other addons enabled right now or something? |
| 22:44.26 | Cronoh | i do |
| 22:44.36 | Arrowmaster | or did you mean nothing recent related to your addon |
| 22:44.41 | Cronoh | everything was working fine |
| 22:44.45 | Cronoh | but |
| 22:44.52 | Castigo | Arrowmaster/Cronoh can i suggest something stupid? Cronoh why don't u download DataText and have a look how does it works? it's kinda what u wanna do and it works (gives u a good overview of how does a simple addon works) |
| 22:45.02 | Cronoh | i want to add more frames and that one was called the main frame |
| 22:45.24 | Cronoh | so i renamed mine, and added a second one called main frame |
| 22:45.28 | krka | i really hate the zombie events |
| 22:45.34 | krka | really sucks when you're trying to level a character |
| 22:45.43 | krka | probably doesn't matter as much for level 70 :/ |
| 22:46.05 | Arrowmaster | Cronoh: can you post your lua file to pastey.net too |
| 22:46.14 | Cronoh | like |
| 22:46.15 | Cronoh | here |
| 22:46.17 | zenzelezz | krka: oh, it does. Maybe not as much, but going near any major city is useless |
| 22:46.19 | Cronoh | i was messing with it right now |
| 22:46.22 | Cronoh | i deleted MainFrame |
| 22:46.24 | seebs | dQQ/dt = +inf |
| 22:46.25 | Cronoh | and it works perfectly |
| 22:46.38 | Arrowmaster | that is odd |
| 22:46.42 | foxlit | seebs: does that even make sense? |
| 22:46.47 | Cronoh | why if i have 2 frames can it not see the other one? |
| 22:46.50 | Arrowmaster | maybe you should name it something other than MainFrame |
| 22:46.54 | seebs | I think so. |
| 22:47.02 | foxlit | Explain, really. |
| 22:47.08 | seebs | The official forum session cache is now expiring in a few seconds. |
| 22:47.32 | seebs | If you refresh the main page of general, the front page can be all new threads within about twenty seconds. And nearly all of them are complaints. |
| 22:47.36 | seebs | This is truly astounding. |
| 22:47.49 | seebs | I mean, hell, I hate this event and I think people are overreacting. |
| 22:48.02 | foxlit | I'm purely on about the math :) |
| 22:48.12 | foxlit | Derivatives of something being infinite are odd. |
| 22:48.14 | Cronoh | nah i named it MainFrame111 |
| 22:48.19 | Cronoh | and it broke it again |
| 22:48.35 | Cronoh | am i missing some required options for a frame? |
| 22:48.43 | Cronoh | all it has is the <Scripts> thing |
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| 22:49.34 | Arrowmaster | Cronoh: could you pastey.net your lua file |
| 22:50.52 | Cronoh | k |
| 22:52.54 | Cronoh | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/99800 |
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| 22:55.47 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue |
| 22:57.37 | Cronoh | [15:48] <Cronoh> am i missing some required options for a frame? |
| 22:57.37 | Cronoh | [15:48] <Cronoh> all it has is the <Scripts> thing |
| 23:00.17 | Shirik | Is this page broken for anyone else? http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms739167(VS.85).aspx |
| 23:00.26 | Shirik | i.e., there is nothing under "to listen on a socket" |
| 23:02.28 | Fisker- | there is here |
| 23:02.37 | Fisker- | unless you mean the part with the blue arrow |
| 23:02.50 | Shirik | I mean the part with a blue arrow |
| 23:02.59 | Shirik | It should say something along the lines of "call the listen function ..." |
| 23:03.00 | Fisker- | given it's rating i would venture a guess and think it's related |
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| 23:05.49 | ccox | Shirik - yes, that's kinda empty |
| 23:05.59 | Shirik | Fortunately, google wins again |
| 23:06.13 | Shirik | What it's supposed to say: http://74.125.45.104/search?q=cache:ynIxzkZncJQJ:msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms739167(VS.85).aspx+ms739167&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us |
| 23:06.16 | ccox | But that begs the question: Why were you were expecting USEFUL information on MSDN? |
| 23:06.24 | Shirik | MSDN tends to be pretty useful in my experience / |
| 23:06.25 | Shirik | :/ |
| 23:06.50 | Castigo | msdn r0x tbh |
| 23:07.11 | ccox | Notice he didn't say useful for *what*.... |
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| 23:09.50 | Fisker- | but it's community info apparently Shirik |
| 23:09.57 | Fisker- | leave a note on feedback etc. |
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| 23:16.28 | NightHawkTheSane | how does a zombie get the infected debuff? >.> |
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| 23:17.56 | Castigo | walking in the green cloud |
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| 23:25.47 | seebs | WB, peppy. |
| 23:25.55 | seebs | Did you ever make it out of Tanaris? |
| 23:26.09 | Lopeppeppy | Took longer on the clothes than I thought. Whew. |
| 23:26.15 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. I gave up on that a long while ago. |
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| 23:39.33 | Shirik | ooh one of my favorite movies of all time is on :) |
| 23:40.02 | Castigo | "College girls never say no" ? |
| 23:40.26 | Corrodias | the little mermaid? |
| 23:40.37 | Shirik | MiB ... |
| 23:40.41 | Industrial | black booty 5? |
| 23:40.45 | Industrial | ow :< |
| 23:40.50 | Industrial | least i got 1 word right! |
| 23:40.55 | Tekkub | Billy bear's birthday orgy? |
| 23:41.02 | Castigo | lol |
| 23:41.02 | Shirik | you guys are evil |
| 23:41.09 | Castigo | i was the closest one, no chance |
| 23:41.12 | Industrial | realistic, Shirik. |
| 23:41.34 | Industrial | =D |
| 23:41.52 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I'm watching Beetlejuice |
| 23:42.13 | Industrial | im watching ym druid get mangle :D |
| 23:47.25 | Industrial | ding50 |
| 23:47.43 | Fisker- | Mega Binaries Shirik ? |
| 23:47.50 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:47.55 | Fisker- | "MiB" |
| 23:47.58 | Lopeppeppy | Congratulations, Indie. |
| 23:48.02 | Shirik | men in black? |
| 23:48.25 | Fisker- | don't ruin my trollin' |
| 23:48.37 | Shirik | I'll ruin your face |
| 23:49.47 | Fisker- | i'm so scared |
| 23:53.46 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, killing plagued zombies needs to give AD rep. >< |
| 23:53.57 | seebs | No! |
| 23:54.10 | seebs | If there were some kind of actual BENEFIT to the invasion, it would wreck the event for the teenagers. |
| 23:54.27 | Industrial | #showtooltip/cast Feral Charge - Cat/stopcasting/castsequence reset=target,combat Faerie Fire (Feral)(),Rake,Rip,Mangle - Cat,Mangle - Cat,Ferocious Bite |
| 23:54.31 | Industrial | muhaha awesome |
| 23:54.33 | NightHawkTheSane | but then id have something other than the feeling of righteousness for leading HOARDS of zombies to their deaths at the hands of argent healers |
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| 23:55.08 | Industrial | any idea how i can make that macro NOT show feral charge? |
| 23:55.15 | Industrial | but instead the castsequence |
| 23:55.20 | Industrial | erm, the icon/tooltip that is |
| 23:55.31 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: seems like a long way of going about killing them. |
| 23:55.39 | foxlit | Open up a can of dps instead? |
| 23:55.41 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: well, when there's like 30 of them :p |
| 23:55.55 | NightHawkTheSane | its actually faster, especially since i cant let them hit me for too long. |
| 23:55.58 | NightHawkTheSane | 1m debuffs tick away real fast |
| 23:56.09 | Industrial | oh you can put the #showtooltip after the charge it seems |
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| 23:56.11 | Industrial | nicceee |
| 23:56.12 | foxlit | how did they get in melee in the first place :) |
| 23:57.11 | NightHawkTheSane | holy wrath has a fairly limited range |
| 23:58.00 | NightHawkTheSane | try and skirt around the outside of the group, pop holy wrath, run for it while cleansing myself, then drop consecrates and lead them over it |
| 23:58.13 | foxlit | ah, paladins. |
| 23:59.39 | Lopeppeppy | Paladins are immune! Rawr! |
| 23:59.51 | NightHawkTheSane | hardly :( |
