| 00:01.57 | Redguard | no one appreciates lazy people Sixen |
| 00:02.07 | Sixen | k |
| 00:03.29 | Xuerian | Speaking of lazy people, anyone remember where the pvp-flagged unitframe icons are/what their paths are? |
| 00:05.11 | WobWork | Yes |
| 00:05.21 | WobWork | but I won't tell you =) |
| 00:05.32 | WobWork | (kidding, in reality I have no idea =P) |
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| 00:06.15 | Tem | I hate twinks |
| 00:06.27 | mikma | i hate paladins |
| 00:06.36 | AnduinLothar | i hate warlocks |
| 00:06.50 | mikma | AnduinLothar: you! forward the cosmosirc to somewhere else |
| 00:07.49 | AnduinLothar | i could just disable it |
| 00:08.06 | mikma | that will work too, up to you actually |
| 00:08.26 | AnduinLothar | if you think you're karma's sufficiently ballenced that you don't need free opportunities to make yourself right with the universe |
| 00:08.31 | Sixen | sbo: ping` |
| 00:08.36 | WobWork | "your" |
| 00:08.40 | mikma | today was like: ** join -> HAI, when will cosmos be updated? -> answer -> FU all! -> ** quit .. repeat x 10 :D |
| 00:08.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: WSG atm |
| 00:08.50 | Sixen | Oh <3 |
| 00:09.02 | mikma | WobWork: up to your? |
| 00:09.30 | WobWork | "If you think your" |
| 00:09.33 | Redguard | so what if cosmos is dead? |
| 00:09.59 | WobWork | mikma: on AL's chat, not yours |
| 00:10.06 | mikma | WobWork: ya, was just poking you |
| 00:10.18 | WobWork | "up to my actually"? =) |
| 00:10.26 | WobWork | all the way up to there?! |
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| 00:10.38 | mikma | WobWork: http://marcvz.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/grammar-nazi.jpg lol |
| 00:11.14 | mikma | http://themissamandamae.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/grammar_nazi.jpg :D |
| 00:11.19 | WobWork | mikma: bah, it doesn't have loose/lose |
| 00:11.30 | kd3 | sigh. I go to have dinner and medivh's still dead |
| 00:11.31 | zenzelezz | I accidentally the whole thing!! |
| 00:11.48 | WobWork | looks like you only deleted one word =) |
| 00:11.55 | mikma | http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/Fanra/grammar-nazi.jpg <- winner |
| 00:12.13 | zenzelezz | did no-one get to see that thread before the pictures went down? |
| 00:12.36 | mikma | just the unexpected temsults that Tem pasted |
| 00:14.19 | Tem | I what? |
| 00:14.30 | mikma | unexpected temsults |
| 00:14.39 | mikma | #69 wut wut? |
| 00:18.31 | Sixen | kd3, do you PvP or PvE? |
| 00:18.45 | mikma | kd3: answer "yes" to confuse him/her |
| 00:20.49 | Redguard | mikma I am debating making a spell checker addon |
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| 00:20.55 | Redguard | :/ |
| 00:21.06 | mikma | Redguard: well then you already know the name you are gonna use |
| 00:21.24 | Redguard | hehe |
| 00:23.42 | AnduinLothar | ScytheBlade1: I was at like 2% hp and a shammy popped his res and i still killed him |
| 00:24.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:24.03 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 00:24.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm still stuck in WSG |
| 00:24.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Sooooo |
| 00:24.15 | AnduinLothar | i got out |
| 00:24.55 | AnduinLothar | damnit, why is the main memu bar reparenting all the mini buttons every time i zone... |
| 00:24.56 | mikma | anyone else had problems with fragmented partitions after installing 3.0? |
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| 00:29.41 | |Yssaril| | Iriel: so since CalendarOpenEvent() is protected there is no way for me to scan the full info for an event? like its description or raid destination ? |
| 00:29.55 | p3lim | is there a click2cast addon out there? |
| 00:30.13 | mikma | what do you mean by that? |
| 00:31.22 | |Yssaril| | mikma: anytime you change a file you have the potential to fragment it so patching wow will probably have introduced some fragmentation |
| 00:31.56 | Iriel | Yssaril: If it's protected then no, you could post asking /why/ it's protected I suppose 8-) |
| 00:32.07 | mikma | reason why i'm asking, i can't enter 3 darkmoon cards into AH, it pops an error telling me "you cant post items with used charges" |
| 00:32.25 | mikma | also, the meatbox-item is completely white in cooking-daily reward-window |
| 00:32.46 | Yssaril | Iriel: k |
| 00:32.50 | Tem | p3lim, you could try Clique |
| 00:32.56 | Tem | since it was the first and all |
| 00:32.58 | zenzelezz | mikma: did you get the cards before 3.0? |
| 00:33.04 | mikma | ua |
| 00:33.12 | mikma | s/ua/yes i did/ |
| 00:34.08 | zenzelezz | mikma: think I read somewhere that that was also a problem with vanity pets obtained before 3.0... known issue or something? |
| 00:34.22 | p3lim | hm.. |
| 00:34.32 | p3lim | say I have x addon |
| 00:34.34 | mikma | zenzelezz: i had problem with egbert's egg in beta, not in live |
| 00:35.15 | p3lim | i mouseover a random raid member (raid UF that is), hold shift and it will cast y spell |
| 00:35.36 | p3lim | if i dont have shift it will do a normal attribute (most often, selecting the person) |
| 00:35.44 | mikma | and the point is? |
| 00:35.52 | p3lim | easier healing |
| 00:36.00 | p3lim | just change the attribute when shift is down |
| 00:36.02 | p3lim | i guess |
| 00:36.12 | Hjalte | Isn't that what Cliqe and Click2Cast does? |
| 00:36.13 | p3lim | but i would like to know if there is some addon that does that |
| 00:36.16 | Hjalte | Clique* |
| 00:36.19 | mikma | <+Tem> p3lim, you could try Clique |
| 00:36.42 | mikma | now the next question you will ask is "how do i use it" |
| 00:36.53 | p3lim | no :p |
| 00:36.53 | mikma | but go ahead and get it from wowi |
| 00:37.09 | p3lim | does it need any support from my raid UF addon? |
| 00:37.27 | Tem | no |
| 00:37.31 | p3lim | great |
| 00:37.35 | kd3 | clique works with any non-dain bramaged UF mod |
| 00:37.37 | Tem | well, actually |
| 00:37.39 | Tem | it does |
| 00:37.55 | Tem | but any unit frame that doesn't support it by now probably doesn't work anyway |
| 00:38.09 | p3lim | oUF |
| 00:38.19 | Tem | works |
| 00:38.23 | p3lim | good |
| 00:38.28 | End | don't you have to put your frames in a list though? |
| 00:38.32 | Tem | you do |
| 00:38.38 | Tem | that's at the UF author level though |
| 00:38.38 | End | well, that's an easy step though :P |
| 00:38.48 | Tem | and anyone who hasn't done that by now is most likely brain damaged |
| 00:39.29 | End | lol |
| 00:40.06 | p3lim | haste? |
| 00:40.29 | kd3 | hey, finally... a server alert |
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| 00:40.37 | kd3 | medivh, stormrage, zul'jin all dead. |
| 00:40.39 | kd3 | yay |
| 00:40.52 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah |
| 00:41.12 | NightHawkTheSane | So >.> if anyone happens to have the Headless Horseman's Mount, i could use someone to test StableBoy (on wowi) to see if it handles that properly |
| 00:41.31 | Adys | can do that NightHawkTheSane |
| 00:41.44 | p3lim | End: what do you mean? |
| 00:41.47 | p3lim | put frames in a list? |
| 00:42.18 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11108-StableBoy.html? |
| 00:42.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: indeed |
| 00:42.26 | p3lim | because oUF is just a framework, the layout authors sets the global names |
| 00:42.28 | End | there's a table that clique recognizes as unitframes |
| 00:42.38 | End | as a list of unit frames |
| 00:42.44 | p3lim | where can I find that table? |
| 00:42.57 | Redguard | <= medivh :( |
| 00:43.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: it should be sufficiant to make sure the mount shows up in the ground & flying LDB menu, and the options checkbox list for both flying/ground. |
| 00:43.04 | End | I dunno, I just remember cladhaire making a post about it a long time ago |
| 00:43.13 | p3lim | anyone know anything about this? |
| 00:43.17 | p3lim | would like to know |
| 00:43.28 | End | how much of the work does oUF do for you? |
| 00:43.34 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: finishing this bg and gonna do that |
| 00:43.37 | p3lim | everything but making the frames |
| 00:43.50 | p3lim | it handles all the templates, updates and modules |
| 00:44.07 | End | do you have to make secure frames yourself? |
| 00:44.08 | p3lim | i just make the frames and some postupdate functions |
| 00:44.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: *nod* no huge rush. thanks :) |
| 00:44.14 | p3lim | no |
| 00:44.16 | p3lim | oUF handles that |
| 00:44.31 | End | oUF probably handles it for you, but I can't be sure |
| 00:44.53 | p3lim | is there any docs on Clique? |
| 00:44.59 | kd3 | the code? |
| 00:45.43 | Lopeppeppy | p3lim, what kind of docs are you looking for? |
| 00:45.49 | End | oUF handles it |
| 00:45.54 | End | ClickCastFrames[object] = true |
| 00:46.00 | p3lim | what line? |
| 00:46.07 | End | 243 in ouf.lua |
| 00:46.28 | p3lim | nice |
| 00:46.46 | p3lim | Lopeppeppy: nothing peppy, got my answer :) |
| 00:46.57 | Lopeppeppy | Yay for answers and End is the awesomesauce. |
| 00:47.38 | Shirik | finally |
| 00:47.40 | Shirik | T6 chest is mine |
| 00:47.52 | Tem | grats, Shirik |
| 00:48.00 | Shirik | Only took 2 months |
| 00:48.01 | Tem | I still lack my shoulders :( |
| 00:48.10 | End | shoulders were my first piece :o |
| 00:48.13 | Tem | I've _never_ seen vanq shoulders drop |
| 00:48.15 | End | I passed on gloves for monthds |
| 00:48.20 | End | then we stopped doing hyjal |
| 00:48.24 | End | to focus on BT |
| 00:49.26 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, same here, End. *sigh* I only got one piece of t6 |
| 00:49.34 | p3lim | ok then |
| 00:49.50 | End | I actually finally got my gloves last week, finally :P |
| 00:49.51 | p3lim | can i use a macro with clique? |
| 00:49.57 | End | yes you can |
| 00:50.00 | p3lim | like, /assist on alt-click |
| 00:50.04 | mikma | p3lim: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5108-Clique.html |
| 00:50.16 | mikma | theres all the doc you need |
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| 00:50.30 | Stanzilla | I got a new headpiece today :) |
| 00:50.40 | Stanzilla | and gz Shirik |
| 00:50.42 | Quaunaut | A new challenger enters the arena |
| 00:50.57 | p3lim | nice nice |
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| 00:58.24 | JamesJr | There is a qeue of over 300 for my server...ive never seen a qeue thingy before...any reason why theres one tonight? |
| 00:58.35 | JamesJr | queue* |
| 00:58.36 | End | 3.0 + hallow's end stuff? |
| 00:58.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 00:58.58 | Lopeppeppy | First weekend after a patch, plus Hallows End = wowzers. |
| 00:59.08 | JamesJr | Does Hallows End start tonight? |
| 00:59.16 | Lopeppeppy | So I'm told, people are out there doing it. |
| 00:59.19 | End | yesterday |
| 00:59.21 | JamesJr | What is it? |
| 00:59.26 | ScytheBlade1 | JamesJr: because your server is full of people |
| 00:59.36 | End | ScytheBlade1 likes giving obvious answers |
| 00:59.54 | JamesJr | What is Hallow'sEnd? |
| 01:00.02 | End | it' |
| 01:00.04 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: more like, lowering population caps to deploy hotfixes |
| 01:00.04 | Adys | :p |
| 01:00.05 | ScytheBlade1 | A holiday event |
| 01:00.09 | End | it's a seasonal event for halloween |
| 01:00.18 | End | costumes and silly treats and stuff like that |
| 01:00.23 | End | oh yeah, and a headless horseman |
| 01:00.56 | Adys | and a mount \o/ |
| 01:01.05 | JamesJr | Thanks everyone. |
| 01:01.10 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: trying the addon atm |
| 01:01.22 | End | so that mount flies? |
| 01:01.27 | Adys | yeah |
| 01:01.31 | End | does StableBoy just put it in both lists then? |
| 01:01.33 | Adys | it changes depending on location |
| 01:01.38 | Adys | its what im testing atm |
| 01:01.38 | NightHawkTheSane | End: it should, y es |
| 01:01.42 | End | ah, make sense |
| 01:01.45 | End | makes* |
| 01:01.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i had to implement that a few minutes ago, actually >< |
| 01:02.22 | JamesJr | What level does the burning crusade become beneficial? |
| 01:02.34 | mikma | 58 |
| 01:02.34 | Adys | eh? |
| 01:02.39 | NightHawkTheSane | "beneficial" |
| 01:02.40 | NightHawkTheSane | ? |
| 01:02.41 | Adys | you mean when can you go to outland? |
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| 01:02.48 | Adys | BC = starting a new race too |
| 01:02.48 | JamesJr | i guess, yea |
| 01:03.00 | Adys | 58 if you dont want a blood elf or draenei |
| 01:03.11 | JamesJr | Ok, thanks. |
| 01:03.17 | NightHawkTheSane | or if you dont want to do jewelcrafting |
| 01:03.33 | Adys | guess you can do this later on tho |
| 01:03.45 | mikma | i would still go as 60 because most of the mobs are orange/red at the end of questing... but some people say 58 is just fine |
| 01:03.45 | JamesJr | Thanks for your helo :) |
| 01:04.03 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: looks like it works yeah |
| 01:04.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: neat. thanks. :) |
| 01:04.55 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: know what'd be cool? a spell tooltip when you hover the tickboxes |
| 01:05.10 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone else notice how trade channel lost it's coloring? It is just default white now. |
| 01:05.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: hmm... not a bad idea, actually. |
| 01:05.22 | Arrowmaster | trying to start in hellfire as a shitty geared 58 rogue is not fun |
| 01:05.23 | Adys | Mike-N-Go: it was never colored O_o |
| 01:05.39 | Mike-N-Go | Adys: I call gray a colour. |
| 01:05.46 | Adys | lol |
| 01:05.46 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: I can remember starting BC on launch with my hunter |
| 01:05.47 | ZorbaTHut | I found 58 was fine as a prot warrior, I just did one quest at a time |
| 01:05.55 | WobWork | "OMG, Where are my BUTTONS?!" |
| 01:05.56 | ZorbaTHut | do one quest, get a massively better piece of equipment, do another |
| 01:06.03 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: its actually not bad leveling 58-60 in the old world since the 2.3 xp changes. |
| 01:06.09 | Mike-N-Go | Adys: Do you need a screen shot? |
| 01:06.10 | ZorbaTHut | it equips you up pretty damn fast |
| 01:06.15 | Adys | Mike-N-Go: well, yeha |
| 01:06.16 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: almost to the point where its better than outland |
| 01:06.24 | Adys | I always had it the same colour as the other chans |
| 01:06.27 | Arrowmaster | well i atleast have a HWL mainhand sword on my rogue |
| 01:07.11 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: same in northrend |
| 01:07.14 | Adys | as fury warr in greens |
| 01:07.22 | geno-afk | Shadowed, do you have a moment? |
| 01:07.27 | Adys | gain 1000 hp every 2 quests |
| 01:07.35 | Shadowed | Sort of? Whats up |
| 01:07.53 | geno-afk | having an issue with afflicted, have some screenshots to help describe it |
| 01:07.57 | mikma | NightHawkTheSane: aye, 58-60 in wpl/epl = <3 suitable for DK |
| 01:08.13 | ZorbaTHut | congratulations, you have killed six frozen orcs! Here is your reward, it is a stick |
| 01:08.25 | mikma | wooooooooooo |
| 01:08.25 | ZorbaTHut | Stick: 92.4 DPS, +37 strength, +72 stamina |
| 01:08.30 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: im partial to silithus/winterspring in general, but yeah, for DKS wpl/epl may be nice |
| 01:08.53 | geno-afk | I have all anchors showing as bars and it works fine, but when I change the buff anchor to icons, I seem to lose some timers in the spell and cooldown anchors |
| 01:08.55 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: also, how are the mounts ordered in the list? |
| 01:09.13 | Sixen | Where's the Scryer Inn in Shadowmoon Valley? |
| 01:09.19 | Sixen | Eclipse Point? |
| 01:09.24 | Adys | sanctum of the stars |
| 01:09.26 | Adys | just to the east |
| 01:09.49 | mikma | ZorbaTHut: damn, thats one bad ass orc-beater |
| 01:09.50 | Sixen | East of? |
| 01:09.54 | Mike-N-Go | Old http://www.postyourimage.com/view_image.php?img_id=v2w5RvjYH6ouHcC1224464046 |
| 01:09.58 | Adys | east of eclipse pt |
| 01:10.07 | Mike-N-Go | New http://www.postyourimage.com/view_image.php?img_id=BJDCxgK3Iwvjqk61224464089 |
| 01:10.08 | Sixen | Oh, kay. |
| 01:10.15 | Sixen | Thanks, Adys, <3. |
| 01:10.55 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: ugg i installed questhelper, why are these tooltips fucking huge |
| 01:11.40 | mikma | Mike-N-Go: right. that and the freaking useless HH lfg spam |
| 01:11.42 | geno-afk | Shadowed > on afflicted I have all anchors showing as bars and it works fine, but when I change the buff anchor to icons, I seem to lose some timers in the spell and cooldown anchors |
| 01:11.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: honestly, no specific order. I iterate through your mount companions in order from 1 to max, add it to a mounts array, and then the checkboxes are generated in whatever orer pairs() gives me. |
| 01:12.06 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: alphabetic sorting would be nice too : |
| 01:12.07 | NightHawkTheSane | but the mounts array is indexed by spellid, so i suspect that may be the ordering. |
| 01:12.10 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: Easy. Set up a filter for chat messages. |
| 01:12.19 | Mike-N-Go | I had one.. but 3.0.2 broke it =P |
| 01:12.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: yeah, i've considered that, actually. It seems like a real headache, though. >< |
| 01:12.27 | mikma | Mike-N-Go: like, /leave trade ? |
| 01:12.33 | Mike-N-Go | No |
| 01:12.36 | mikma | because it works |
| 01:12.37 | Mike-N-Go | AssInTrade |
| 01:12.39 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, define huge? they should just have a few more lines added to 'em if the monster's a quest monster |
| 01:12.48 | ZorbaTHut | and I think you can turn that off also, if you want |
| 01:12.49 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: doubt it, swift purple gryph is last and albino drake is 2nd |
| 01:12.51 | Arrowmaster | the scale is huge |
| 01:12.52 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: simple lookup table =P |
| 01:12.58 | Arrowmaster | really huge |
| 01:13.08 | ZorbaTHut | okay you're gonna need to show me a screenshot of what you mean |
| 01:13.11 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: i already have so many lookup tables. >< |
| 01:13.15 | ZorbaTHut | and ideally one of how you're used to it looking |
| 01:13.39 | Mike-N-Go | It has a table of strings to allow; any trade msg that does not match one of the strings is not shown. |
| 01:13.39 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: well, by so many, i mean like two.. |
| 01:13.47 | Mike-N-Go | Like BadBoy, but for the trade channel. |
| 01:13.48 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: Terrible! =) |
| 01:14.21 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: its mostly because i need stuff indexed in one way to access it sanely, and then another way to do something else.. bah! |
| 01:14.40 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, does lua have a built in sort method? >.> |
| 01:14.46 | WobWork | table.sort |
| 01:14.58 | mikma | NightHawkTheSane: needs more tablecreations and checkups |
| 01:15.11 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: have the values for the lookup table the values for the normal table |
| 01:15.36 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: i can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. :( |
| 01:16.30 | mikma | NightHawkTheSane: good =) |
| 01:17.07 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: well ive never used it before but this is clearing wrong in some way |
| 01:17.13 | Arrowmaster | uploading screenshot |
| 01:17.17 | Syzgyn | ~lart The instance servers |
| 01:17.17 | purl | DoSes The instance servers |
| 01:17.25 | Syzgyn | hah, how appropriate |
| 01:17.34 | ZorbaTHut | cool, lookin' forward to seeing it |
| 01:18.13 | Arrowmaster | http://www.oczombies.net/images/WoWScrnShot_101908_211403.jpg |
| 01:18.54 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: Do you see what I am talking about? |
| 01:19.19 | ZorbaTHut | nope, that's pretty much normal. it's a long quest name, apparently |
| 01:19.36 | Arrowmaster | thats not what im talking about |
| 01:19.46 | mikma | Mike-N-Go: BadGirl, go! |
| 01:19.47 | Arrowmaster | the text size is fucking huge |
| 01:20.02 | mikma | combine them to BadCouple |
| 01:20.07 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect that for one reason or another, it doesn't pay attention to however you've changed your game text size |
| 01:20.24 | Arrowmaster | i havent |
| 01:20.30 | Arrowmaster | just using uiscale |
| 01:20.36 | Arrowmaster | nothing else |
| 01:20.46 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, I haven't seen a queue in a long time. *grin* |
| 01:20.53 | ZorbaTHut | well, at some point I'll take a look and see if that's fixable. |
| 01:23.04 | mikma | i is gonecat -> |
| 01:23.42 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: plus it seems to have some quite messed up data |
| 01:24.37 | ZorbaTHut | there's the occasional issue with the db - what quest has a mistake, and what's it doing? |
| 01:25.06 | Arrowmaster | well echos of war |
| 01:25.26 | Arrowmaster | and nice hat |
| 01:25.46 | ZorbaTHut | echoes of war seems to be a Naxx quest - where's it telling you to go? |
| 01:25.55 | NightHawkTheSane | huh.. |
| 01:26.08 | NightHawkTheSane | apparently Shaman relics count as their totem reagents now too.. |
| 01:26.08 | ZorbaTHut | nice hat is kind of broken right now, it doesn't realize that there's two Don Carlos's |
| 01:26.12 | NightHawkTheSane | er s/reagent/tool/ |
| 01:26.13 | ZorbaTHut | it's all based on name, not monster ID |
| 01:26.30 | geno-afk | Shadowed: while using afflicted I have all anchors showing as bars and it works fine, but when I change the buff anchor to icons, I seem to lose some timers in the spell and cooldown anchors, before and after screenshots www.roflwut.com/afflicted1.jpg --- www.roflwut.com/afflicted2.jpg Thanks |
| 01:27.50 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: well when looking at the EK map it shows the old location of naxx for part of the quest and then it has an icon way out in the water in the northwest for another part of it |
| 01:28.39 | Arrowmaster | now i must figure out how to configure this damn thing so it only directs me for quests i want it to |
| 01:28.57 | mikma | rightclick the points? |
| 01:29.04 | mikma | "hide" |
| 01:29.25 | ZorbaTHut | I believe you can set it to filter based on what quests are watched |
| 01:29.37 | ZorbaTHut | that's probably the best way at the moment |
| 01:29.52 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 01:30.00 | Arrowmaster | that echos of war quest i think i know why |
| 01:30.17 | Arrowmaster | it was pointing to a location in northrend |
| 01:30.33 | ZorbaTHut | ah, that doesn't surprise me |
| 01:30.55 | ZorbaTHut | well, you can't do the classic version of the quest anymore anyway, so :) |
| 01:30.55 | Arrowmaster | its confused about where naxx is |
| 01:31.00 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 01:31.10 | ZorbaTHut | at some point I may have to explicitly remove the original Naxx critters from the database |
| 01:31.18 | ZorbaTHut | really, it needs to handle instances better in general |
| 01:31.37 | Arrowmaster | i mouseover the old naxx location and a glowy shadow appears in northrend |
| 01:31.53 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it thinks the same critter can be found in both locations |
| 01:32.18 | Ackis | DAMNIT |
| 01:32.45 | Ackis | why the hell did I get an authenticator at blizzcon? all that it means is that my cat now has an easier time preventing me from playing wow :( |
| 01:32.51 | Ackis | s/cat/cats/ |
| 01:33.35 | ZorbaTHut | authenticatstor :D |
| 01:34.36 | Arrowmaster | i think ill just turn on this zone filter |
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| 01:34.46 | Arrowmaster | thats really what i want to use it for right now |
| 01:34.55 | Arrowmaster | doing old world low level quests |
| 01:34.56 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I use that one occasionally |
| 01:35.02 | ZorbaTHut | I want to make the route optimizer better, but that'll take a bit |
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| 01:37.57 | End | the "Well Read" achievement is kinda annoying as horde... |
| 01:38.08 | Arrowmaster | End: i am missing 5 of them |
| 01:38.11 | Arrowmaster | as horde |
| 01:38.15 | End | I'm missing none, now |
| 01:38.18 | End | but it sucked |
| 01:38.25 | Arrowmaster | and i cant zone into kara because of server problems |
| 01:38.37 | End | I got the kara one in stormwind, ugh |
| 01:38.46 | Arrowmaster | theres a few in kara |
| 01:38.52 | End | well |
| 01:39.02 | End | there's one that available in kara, stormwind, and maybe dalaran |
| 01:39.23 | Arrowmaster | atleast 2 of the ones i need are confirmed to be in kara |
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| 01:47.27 | kd3 | well read is doable right now |
| 01:47.36 | kd3 | only instances I had to run were strat and sm library |
| 01:47.48 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/General_achievements |
| 01:47.54 | kd3 | links to all the books ^ |
| 01:48.06 | kd3 | s/strat/scholo/ |
| 01:50.04 | End | yeah, but you're alliance :P |
| 01:50.55 | End | fighting level 80 elite guards or going into kara are horde's current options for one of them |
| 01:51.00 | Corrodias | what blizzard should do is implement achievements but not tell you what they are or how to get them |
| 01:51.41 | End | as if violet proto drakes weren't going to be rare enough :P |
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| 01:54.03 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, waltzing through town guards isn't *that* tough |
| 01:54.11 | End | what? |
| 01:54.13 | ZorbaTHut | you die a few times but, y'know, whatever. it's just slow, not *hard* |
| 01:54.16 | End | oh |
| 01:54.31 | ZorbaTHut | it's not like "kill Illidan" - that's actually hard :P |
| 01:54.39 | End | if you had to read through the entire book, it'd be near impossible |
| 01:54.45 | End | well |
| 01:54.48 | End | not near impossible |
| 01:54.51 | End | but it'd be tough :P |
| 01:54.53 | ZorbaTHut | hell, I'm invading Orgrimmar somewhat regularly to fish there :D |
| 01:55.20 | End | fishing in orgrimmar is entirely different, since the guards you meet are only level 75 |
| 01:55.25 | End | level 80 elite guards hit a bit harder |
| 01:55.46 | End | I only died once until I got to the stormwind castle :P |
| 01:55.55 | End | then I died...like...7 or 8 times? |
| 01:56.12 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | So gg, that's about right! |
| 01:56.28 | Redguard | what is this about the violet proto drake? |
| 01:56.31 | Redguard | how do you obtain it |
| 01:56.34 | End | I jumped into the canal |
| 01:56.40 | Redguard | you mean the rep one? |
| 01:56.40 | ScytheBlade1 | !g wow violet proto drake |
| 01:56.41 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Violet Proto-Drake - Spell - World of Warcraft <http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=60024> |
| 01:56.42 | End | but the castle has no canal |
| 01:57.04 | End | no, the violet proto drake is the holiday reward |
| 01:57.28 | End | you have to do all of the holiday achievements, minus two or three |
| 01:57.32 | ZorbaTHut | the violet protodrake is going to be an incredibly tough one to get. especially if you haven't been playing for years already |
| 01:57.50 | ZorbaTHut | I mean it's going to take me at least two years to get it already, guaranteed |
| 01:57.57 | End | I don't think so |
| 01:57.57 | kd3 | brewfest next year's at the earliest |
| 01:58.03 | End | veteran nannie isn't included |
| 01:58.09 | End | nanny* |
| 01:58.40 | End | from a quick glance, I didn't see any that specifically required you to do the event across multiple years |
| 01:59.18 | End | bad luck might make it takes multiple years though :P |
| 01:59.27 | ZorbaTHut | not specifically, but some of them are hard to manage in a single year. like the two hallow's rare drops, for example. |
| 01:59.33 | ZorbaTHut | hard to get those at all :P |
| 01:59.35 | End | I mean, I don't know that I'll be able to get the squashling, unless I get people t opass on it :P |
| 01:59.46 | ZorbaTHut | and I didn't get the Brewfest beers-of-the-month thing, so, at least two years for me |
| 02:00.11 | End | ah, that one is kind of a bummer for you |
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| 02:01.12 | ZorbaTHut | yup. welp. :) |
| 02:05.08 | donno | anyone familiar with FauxScrollFrame in 3.0? |
| 02:05.23 | Tem | mkay this is giggles |
| 02:05.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ~asktoask |
| 02:05.59 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 02:06.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ~FauxScrollFrame |
| 02:06.11 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, fauxscrollframe is one of the first Lua/XML systems written by Blizzard for the WoW user interface. Its learning curve resembles an inverted L, and Zootfizzle hates it. Along with cogs, it is in the top five on his "dead to me" list. |
| 02:06.11 | Tem | we accidently killed dragon upstairs |
| 02:06.27 | Tem | before demon downstairs |
| 02:06.30 | End | you have a dragon in your attic? |
| 02:06.46 | donno | i'm trying to fix an addon not written by me, the scrollbar offset stays 0 and doesnt scroll anything :/ |
| 02:07.08 | Redguard | donno contact the developer |
| 02:07.17 | donno | he's inactive |
| 02:07.27 | donno | and unreachable via email |
| 02:07.29 | Tem | so |
| 02:07.34 | Tem | we have to wait for the demon to die |
| 02:07.41 | Tem | but like |
| 02:08.17 | donno | are there any other templates to use instead of fauxscrollframe? |
| 02:08.46 | Tem | but it won't reset |
| 02:08.52 | Tem | like |
| 02:08.56 | Tem | we're stuck with some curses up |
| 02:09.00 | Tem | and the demon won't die |
| 02:09.03 | Tem | er |
| 02:09.07 | Tem | human kalec won't die |
| 02:09.13 | kd3 | oops? |
| 02:09.36 | kd3 | I forget. does sunwell save as soon as you engage kalec? |
| 02:09.57 | donno | nope, as usual after a bosskill |
| 02:10.15 | Tem | we just hearthed out |
| 02:10.19 | Tem | the whole raid hearthed |
| 02:10.46 | kd3 | reset and clear trash again? |
| 02:11.00 | Shirik | yay |
| 02:11.03 | Shirik | Kalecgos down |
| 02:11.04 | Shirik | sorta |
| 02:11.13 | Shirik | Kalecgos event complete |
| 02:12.00 | Tem | lol Shirik |
| 02:12.06 | Tem | I'm about to do the same for the first time |
| 02:12.47 | Mikk | Actually, the FauxScrollFrame learning curve looks more like a W imo |
| 02:12.59 | Mikk | I thought it was a V, but I was wrong |
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| 02:13.38 | Shirik | ~fauxscrollframe |
| 02:13.38 | purl | well, fauxscrollframe is one of the first Lua/XML systems written by Blizzard for the WoW user interface. Its learning curve resembles an inverted L, and Zootfizzle hates it. Along with cogs, it is in the top five on his "dead to me" list. |
| 02:13.42 | Shirik | It is officially an inverted L |
| 02:14.00 | Mikk | But that implies that you go nothing... nothing.. nothing.. got it! |
| 02:14.09 | Mikk | When in fact you get to a point where you THINK you got it |
| 02:14.12 | Mikk | And then realize you don't |
| 02:14.52 | donno | that's exactly the point where i'm at atm |
| 02:14.57 | Mikk | Maybe it's more like: _M |
| 02:15.14 | WobWork | isn't an inverted L the other way, Mikk? |
| 02:15.22 | Mikk | depends how you invert it? |
| 02:15.31 | WobWork | "Got it.. got it.. got it... *drop to zero* Damnit wTF?" |
| 02:15.48 | WobWork | Ah, I was thinking vertically inverted |
| 02:16.05 | Mikk | Actually _M is a good representation |
| 02:16.23 | Mikk | "Don't got it.. HAH I got it! Err wait wtf... lemme think again... HAH! I got it! And it's shit! I'll never use it! *toss*" |
| 02:17.18 | |pez| | wowhead is making me want to get 50 mounts, so I can get the albina drake. :P |
| 02:17.20 | kd3 | ã <-- that shape |
| 02:17.27 | WobWork | ^ |
| 02:17.36 | Mikk | Umm.. square with grey numbers innit? |
| 02:17.42 | WobWork | that's not right kd |
| 02:17.47 | WobWork | mirror that |
| 02:17.56 | kd3 | go install the CJK pack |
| 02:18.17 | Mikk | a likely story! |
| 02:18.34 | Tem | hoorah |
| 02:18.38 | Tem | kalec "down" |
| 02:18.45 | Mikk | I could. And then I could read CJK web sites. Except I can't. So.. yeha |
| 02:19.28 | donno | any other suggestions to get a simple scrollframe for listings with an indeterminate number of items to work? |
| 02:19.54 | Mikk | Yes. Create an array of items - as big as fits in your area of screen real estate |
| 02:19.59 | Mikk | Let's say 20 |
| 02:20.08 | Mikk | Then you create a standalone slidebar. |
| 02:20.21 | Mikk | And as you slide it around, you paint different things in those 20 slots |
| 02:20.25 | kd3 | wobwork: â
? |
| 02:20.35 | Mikk | And whoopie suddenly you aren't creating 10000 frames anymore. Just 20! |
| 02:21.06 | kd3 | charmap is fun: ⨠|
| 02:21.09 | Mikk | ( x number of columns ) |
| 02:22.00 | donno | Even with fauxframe i only created 20 frames :] |
| 02:22.17 | donno | But ok, I will digg into the templates once again. Thx for your help so far |
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| 02:22.23 | kd3 | ah, found the box drawing section... take your pick: â â â â |
| 02:26.12 | Tem | this is just fucking silly |
| 02:26.20 | Tem | they nerfed the piss out of SWP |
| 02:27.28 | Tem | I just discovered Sunwell Plateau? |
| 02:28.05 | End | gratz |
| 02:28.09 | End | on your recent discovery |
| 02:29.28 | Kraps | can a 68 go on the HH quest? |
| 02:29.51 | Redguard | can, yes, will anyone take you? no |
| 02:30.30 | Kraps | right |
| 02:30.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap |
| 02:30.47 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10972023744&sid=1 |
| 02:30.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone leveled to 70 killing nothing but boars |
| 02:31.05 | Redguard | and? |
| 02:31.05 | ScytheBlade1 | No questing, no other mobs |
| 02:31.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Just boars |
| 02:31.11 | Redguard | and? |
| 02:31.25 | ScytheBlade1 | He's insane |
| 02:31.27 | Shirik | Brutallus attempt 1: Fight over in 3 seconds. |
| 02:31.42 | Shirik | Brutallus attempt 1: Brutallus to 95% |
| 02:31.45 | Shirik | which is amusing |
| 02:32.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: fail. A guild on my server who had never seen him before one-shot him the other night. |
| 02:32.12 | Shirik | stfu, tank was being stupid |
| 02:32.24 | ScytheBlade1 | < ScytheBlade1> Shirik: fail |
| 02:32.28 | End | ScytheBlade1: :o |
| 02:32.30 | Shirik | we got him to 95% in 3 seconds! |
| 02:32.35 | Shirik | well closer to 10 |
| 02:32.36 | Shirik | but still |
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| 02:34.24 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, that guy is in my guild |
| 02:34.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: seriously? |
| 02:34.36 | Tem | seriously |
| 02:34.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Is he 100% insane? |
| 02:34.50 | Tem | not at all |
| 02:34.53 | Tem | he was bored |
| 02:34.54 | ScytheBlade1 | But |
| 02:34.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Boars........ |
| 02:34.59 | kd3 | WTF. nothing but boars? |
| 02:35.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean |
| 02:35.08 | ScytheBlade1 | He killed a named boar for two levels |
| 02:35.16 | ScytheBlade1 | That's.. ........ |
| 02:35.21 | Tem | yeah... |
| 02:35.22 | Tem | I dunno |
| 02:35.53 | ScytheBlade1 | "As a |
| 02:35.54 | ScytheBlade1 | named mob he's on a limited spawn, around six minutes these days. So that's about ten kills per hour camping him. That made for about ten days of sitting in Lakeshire doing nothing but killing Bellygrub over and over again. I figure that I probably killed him 300 times in leveling from 24 to 26, considering rest state." |
| 02:36.27 | Shirik | wtf... |
| 02:36.56 | Mikk | "This post was boaring. (HURRRRRRRR)" |
| 02:37.02 | ScytheBlade1 | haha yeah |
| 02:37.31 | kd3 | crap! gonna lose progress on my "daily a day for 5 days" achievement |
| 02:38.10 | Adys | kd3: its buggy |
| 02:38.36 | Adys | it resetted after 3 days for me |
| 02:38.38 | Adys | anyway good night |
| 02:39.39 | Tem | Brutalis first attempt |
| 02:39.42 | Tem | 45% |
| 02:39.48 | Tem | we burned outselves to death |
| 02:40.03 | Tem | Brutalus* |
| 02:46.32 | Syzgyn | I wish the instance servers on my server werent dead :( I wanna do sunwell |
| 02:49.53 | End | that startled me |
| 02:50.00 | End | I guess hall of legends isn't an instance now |
| 02:50.12 | kd3 | hasn't been since uh... 2.4? |
| 02:50.14 | Syzgyn | hall of legends? |
| 02:50.22 | kd3 | pvp barracks |
| 02:50.22 | End | horde pvp honor vendors |
| 02:50.28 | Syzgyn | ah |
| 02:50.41 | Syzgyn | the alliance one still is *shrug* |
| 02:50.55 | kd3 | no it isn't |
| 02:51.01 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: er, its been past an instance barrier.. not sure if it was actually a separate instance.. *shrug* |
| 02:51.28 | Syzgyn | You get a loading screen from it dont you? |
| 02:51.34 | kd3 | nope |
| 02:51.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont remember, honestly |
| 02:51.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i just remember there was an instance portal there. |
| 02:52.40 | End | I think they turned both into normal areas |
| 02:52.49 | Tem | second Brut attempt |
| 02:52.53 | Tem | 30% |
| 02:52.57 | End | the only reason it was ever an instance aas because you need a certain rank |
| 02:52.57 | Tem | this is stupid |
| 02:53.44 | NightHawkTheSane | End: yeah, when they ditched the honor system they opened them up to anyone, but they remained an "instance" so to speak, in 3.0 they turned them into standard non-instanced rooms i believe |
| 02:53.51 | End | yup |
| 02:53.54 | donno | it works! fixed that damn fauxframe thing.. but don't ask me any specifics xD |
| 02:54.05 | Syzgyn | FauxFrames suck |
| 02:54.08 | donno | indeed |
| 02:54.25 | End | next ui guild name should be FauxFrames! |
| 02:54.39 | Syzgyn | lol. |
| 02:56.16 | NightHawkTheSane | best. cake. ever. |
| 02:56.17 | NightHawkTheSane | http://vita.fapis.com/cake.jpg |
| 03:00.39 | Syzgyn | haha |
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| 03:03.37 | ScytheBlade1 | 22:54 < Syzgyn> lol. |
| 03:03.37 | ScytheBlade1 | 22:56 < NightHawkTheSane> best. cake. ever. |
| 03:03.37 | ScytheBlade1 | 22:56 < NightHawkTheSane> http://vita.fapis.com/cake.jpg |
| 03:03.38 | ScytheBlade1 | 23:00 < Syzgyn> haha |
| 03:03.41 | ScytheBlade1 | whoops |
| 03:03.44 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid middle click |
| 03:03.46 | ScytheBlade1 | soryr |
| 03:03.48 | ScytheBlade1 | *sorry |
| 03:03.54 | End | fail less plzkthx |
| 03:03.55 | Syzgyn | ~fail ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:03.56 | purl | ScytheBlade1, you Fail! |
| 03:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | noted |
| 03:04.26 | ccox | doh! |
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| 03:06.05 | kd3 | hm... and the number of broken realms increases |
| 03:07.15 | End | our realm was lagging really bad |
| 03:07.17 | Syzgyn | Are we counting now? |
| 03:07.18 | End | it turns out.... |
| 03:07.27 | End | alliance had launched an attack on thrall |
| 03:07.36 | End | I got an achievement out of it |
| 03:07.41 | End | wait, no, two achievements |
| 03:07.50 | End | the /hug one, and the defender one |
| 03:07.55 | Syzgyn | End: my realms instance servers wont let you in |
| 03:08.03 | End | we've had a bit of that |
| 03:08.22 | End | I've seen that mostly with battlegrounds though |
| 03:08.30 | End | Transfer Aborted: Instance not found |
| 03:08.52 | Shirik | ownded |
| 03:08.58 | Syzgyn | I tried to get into BT |
| 03:09.04 | Syzgyn | sat at an empty load bar for a bit |
| 03:09.05 | Redguard | Transfer Aborted: Credit Card Payment Cancelled to Blizzard |
| 03:09.16 | Syzgyn | then got spit back out into shadowmoon, dead to the horde standing ther |
| 03:09.18 | Syzgyn | there* |
| 03:12.47 | Ackis | what does a star beside my addon mean? |
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| 03:15.24 | End | Ackis: it's "popular" |
| 03:15.31 | Ackis | ohh |
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| 03:16.52 | richie | its the end of the world |
| 03:16.55 | Ackis | 2 month old kitten is EVIL |
| 03:16.58 | Ackis | EVIL |
| 03:17.00 | Ackis | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 03:17.07 | Ackis | (we named him Murky) ahahahah |
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| 03:21.51 | Syzgyn | If I ever get a dog I'm gonna name it Tassadar |
| 03:22.04 | AnduinLothar | good name |
| 03:22.25 | AnduinLothar | that was my first choice for wow char when i was picking names in beta |
| 03:22.29 | Shirik | En Taro Adun |
| 03:22.32 | AnduinLothar | but it wouldn't let me |
| 03:22.36 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 03:27.11 | Redguard | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.11 | Redguard | Wymdar Blizzard Rep 2 11589 |
| 03:27.20 | Redguard | ops |
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| 03:31.45 | seebs | Can someone help me write a decent bug report? I'm trying to debug a misbehaving mod, and I am insufficiently competent to correctly use DevTools. |
| 03:32.09 | Redguard | report it to the author |
| 03:32.12 | seebs | There seems to be a frame overlaying another frame, and I can't figure out how to identify what it is, or what put it there. /dtframestack shows "table: DEADBEEF". |
| 03:32.25 | seebs | (Well, some random 8 hex digits, anyway) |
| 03:32.36 | seebs | So I don't know how to track down what that table is, or who created it, or anything like that. |
| 03:35.53 | Kaso | it just shows the tableid nothing else? |
| 03:37.01 | elite3vil | Someone needs to drop Medivh into a vat of acid... maybe then it'll start working. |
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| 03:38.37 | seebs | Yeah. And I don't know how to interpret a table ID. |
| 03:38.52 | seebs | I can do /dump FooFrame, but I don't know how to spell "the table with ID 12345678" for /dump. |
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| 03:41.06 | Kaso | the way to do it would prob be to do /run frame = EnumerateFrames() while frame do if tostring(frame)=="table:DEADBEEF" then AAA=frame end frame = EnumerateFrames(frame) |
| 03:41.11 | Kaso | then /dump AAA |
| 03:41.15 | seebs | Ah-hah. |
| 03:41.23 | Ackis | anyone know the author of swstats? |
| 03:41.25 | seebs | Thank you, that's very helpful. |
| 03:42.41 | Shirik | ok that was odd |
| 03:42.49 | Shirik | bags full when winning an item |
| 03:42.53 | Shirik | "That item doesn't go in this container" |
| 03:43.23 | Yssaril | what do you guys think http://i33.tinypic.com/sxg0hs.jpg a LDB addon that gets rid of the big calendar button and has todays events in its tooltip click it and the calender appears) |
| 03:43.44 | AnduinLothar | k, i've disabled the cosmos irc. you shouldn't be getting any more of those silly cosmos nubs asking what happened |
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| 03:45.24 | Tem | Shirik, where is your raid? |
| 03:45.31 | Shirik | raid's over |
| 03:45.34 | Tem | oh? |
| 03:45.37 | Tem | did you kill Brut? |
| 03:45.45 | Shirik | no we decided just to do it tomorrow |
| 03:45.48 | Shirik | we were already past time |
| 03:45.49 | Tem | hah |
| 03:45.50 | Redguard | honestly |
| 03:45.51 | Shirik | we just wanted to keep going |
| 03:45.52 | Tem | we did |
| 03:45.56 | Shirik | :< |
| 03:46.05 | Redguard | id rather see events as the loading screen Yssaril, make it happen |
| 03:46.11 | Atriace | Is there a reason why I should consider using XML Templates over Lua? |
| 03:46.13 | Redguard | :P |
| 03:46.21 | Redguard | Atriace you are bored? |
| 03:46.29 | Redguard | otherwise no |
| 03:46.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Really depends on what you're doing |
| 03:46.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I find using the XML awesome at times |
| 03:46.37 | Atriace | no, just making sure I go on the right foot on this new version. |
| 03:46.49 | Redguard | both are usable, pick a poison |
| 03:46.53 | Yssaril | Atriace: its really what find easier to do i think |
| 03:47.10 | Atriace | I'm creating unit frames and everything else. I personally find the Lua easier to read and update than XML |
| 03:47.10 | Yssaril | Redguard: what do you mean as the loading screen? |
| 03:47.24 | Redguard | when i login and see the 'loading' screen |
| 03:47.25 | Yssaril | Atriace: then stick with lua |
| 03:47.43 | Redguard | id rather see rows of events , something more important than 'newbie' hints |
| 03:47.46 | Atriace | So... no discernible reason for templates? Just go with what suits you? |
| 03:47.53 | Redguard | Atriace correct |
| 03:48.11 | Redguard | xml and lua, same result |
| 03:48.23 | Yssaril | Redguard: ic (don't think we can touch that stuff though) |
| 03:48.36 | Redguard | Yssaril yea I doubt it |
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| 03:50.52 | Redguard | i would be happy with just the button scaling down |
| 03:51.02 | Redguard | it's a bit obnoxious being larger than others |
| 03:51.11 | Redguard | (default that is) |
| 03:51.17 | Shirik | there is a REALLY annoying bug with tricky treats |
| 03:51.22 | Redguard | ? |
| 03:51.28 | Shirik | if your bags are full you can't get them |
| 03:51.31 | Shirik | which sounds like it makes sense |
| 03:51.37 | Shirik | Except you might have a stack of only one of them |
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| 03:51.44 | Shirik | And they don't keep coming |
| 03:52.28 | Tem | AHAHAHAHA |
| 03:52.33 | Tem | Felmyst attempt 1 |
| 03:52.41 | Tem | Gas Nova 1 |
| 03:52.44 | Tem | Wipe |
| 03:54.54 | quoin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.59 | Shirik | |
| 03:56.15 | Shirik | (07:28:14) - [CTCP/AVATAR] from Sonomus (n=kvirc@157.80-202-240.nextgentel.com) |
| 03:56.17 | Shirik | Wtf is that? |
| 03:56.35 | Redguard | it's a ctcp fool |
| 03:56.47 | Shirik | .... |
| 03:56.49 | Shirik | no shit |
| 03:57.05 | Redguard | maybe some irc client supports an avatar ctcp |
| 03:57.09 | Redguard | who knows |
| 03:57.44 | Redguard | I've seen some goofy ones in the past with non standard ctcp, it's possible |
| 03:58.02 | Shirik | there's no such thing as a standard CTCP |
| 03:58.22 | Shirik | Just agreed-upon ones |
| 03:58.32 | Shirik | however, I don't find that an "avatar" ctcp would make much sense |
| 03:58.34 | Shirik | moreover |
| 03:58.36 | Shirik | why is he doing it to me |
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| 04:00.08 | seebs | Huh. Well, I've made progress. There is an object which has the same table ID every time I find it, which overlays every bank button (but is not over the space between them) which appears to have ["UpdateTooltip"] and a [0] = <UserData>, and I can't figure out where it came from. |
| 04:00.09 | ThePooBurner | is there any lua command to turn a string into a boolean? |
| 04:00.14 | seebs | I'll have to do a binary search, I guess. |
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| 04:00.24 | seebs | Well, that depends. What boolean do you want? |
| 04:00.27 | AnduinLothar | what kind of string? |
| 04:00.45 | seebs | Describe the connection between the string and the boolean. What strings should yield a true value? :) |
| 04:01.02 | AnduinLothar | and why do you need a boolean |
| 04:01.05 | ThePooBurner | local name = "ChatFrame"..i |
| 04:01.07 | ThePooBurner | scrollFrame = CreateFrame("Frame",name.."ScrollBox",name) |
| 04:01.11 | ThePooBurner | in a for loop |
| 04:01.16 | ThePooBurner | to create some frames |
| 04:01.43 | Shirik | I'm confused |
| 04:01.49 | Shirik | what do you mean "turn a string into a boolean"? |
| 04:02.14 | ThePooBurner | cause with the code i just posted WoW tells me i am using the CreateFrame() function incorrectly |
| 04:03.00 | ThePooBurner | and since the wiki says that the values after the first cannot be strings i am assuming it's because i have 2 string values in there |
| 04:03.14 | Shirik | it says what? |
| 04:03.17 | seebs | Let's start a bit earlier. |
| 04:03.21 | seebs | What do you think "a boolean" is? |
| 04:03.26 | seebs | And why do you think you need one? |
| 04:03.32 | Shirik | good question |
| 04:04.01 | ThePooBurner | ok |
| 04:04.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11296565243&postId=112953692492&sid=1#3 |
| 04:04.57 | ThePooBurner | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98908 is the code in question and http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CreateFrame tells me that i cannot use strings |
| 04:05.21 | Shirik | ThePooBurner: Answer seebs' question |
| 04:05.27 | seebs | Yes. |
| 04:05.48 | ThePooBurner | and as far as i know the like 'local name = "ChatFrame"..i' creates a string |
| 04:05.53 | ThePooBurner | *the line |
| 04:06.03 | Shirik | It does |
| 04:06.05 | seebs | Yes, it does. |
| 04:06.05 | Shirik | What is a boolean? |
| 04:06.12 | Iriel | The lua to turn a string into a boolean is (str == "true") |
| 04:06.15 | Shirik | Also it is correct you are not using that CreateFrame call correct |
| 04:06.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: heh |
| 04:06.37 | seebs | The reason we're asking is that it seems like you are using the words "a boolean" to refer to some other concept, and if we knew what you were trying to create, we could help you. So I want to know what "a boolean" means to you. |
| 04:06.47 | Shirik | Iriel is being bad and giving fishes |
| 04:06.52 | linear` | your 3rd argument in createframe should be UIParent |
| 04:07.01 | Iriel | I just got my fishing to 226! |
| 04:07.01 | linear` | or some other frame object |
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| 04:07.14 | ThePooBurner | but i don't want the parent to be UIParent, i want it to be one of the chatframes |
| 04:07.21 | NightHawkTheSane | seebs: a boolean means a brighter future for you, your children, and your children's children! a boolean is change you can believe in! |
| 04:07.32 | linear` | then do |
| 04:07.36 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: lol |
| 04:07.39 | Shirik | ThePooBurner: Are you deliberately ignoring the question that has been posed to you? |
| 04:07.41 | linear` | _G[name..i] |
| 04:07.45 | NightHawkTheSane | thats what a boolean means to me. |
| 04:07.53 | linear` | err uc an just do |
| 04:07.55 | seebs | Iriel, in devtools, how would I "/dump" a thing which shows in dtframestack as "table: HEXDIGITS"? Kaso's scriptlet works, but I was wondering whether it was the canonical way. |
| 04:07.55 | linear` | _G[name] |
| 04:07.57 | linear` | as the 3rd argument |
| 04:07.58 | ThePooBurner | no, i am trying to answer all the different inquires |
| 04:08.00 | linear` | argument* |
| 04:08.12 | Tem | LOL |
| 04:08.26 | Tem | WHOLE raid MCed by Felmyst |
| 04:08.28 | Iriel | seebs: you'd need to hunt it down with a bit of script, there's no direct reference to the table |
| 04:08.32 | seebs | Okay. |
| 04:08.47 | seebs | I did finally get it dumped, and it tells me nothing. Given an object, is there a way to find out where it was created? |
| 04:09.02 | ThePooBurner | linear': i think that is exactly what i was looking for. i always forget to make things referenced to the global table |
| 04:09.03 | Iriel | seebs if it's a global you can see how it's tainted, but for frames, not really. |
| 04:09.09 | Tem | Anyone who has killed Felmyst: PING |
| 04:09.11 | Shirik | I suggest you ignore the others for now, ThePooBurner; it is for your own good. Knowing what to do won't help you if you don't actually know what you're doing |
| 04:09.25 | Iriel | seebs: See what it's anchored to and parented with and find some AddOn code that references them |
| 04:09.39 | seebs | PooBurner, I would still very much like to know what you meant by "a boolean". |
| 04:09.42 | Shirik | Yes, what linear` said is what you want. Do you know why? |
| 04:09.51 | Shirik | linear` was also being a bad man like Iriel |
| 04:10.01 | seebs | If you meant something else, I bet you would get "better" answers much faster by using the words everyone else expects. :) |
| 04:10.16 | ThePooBurner | by boolean i would me 'value=something' instead of 'value="something"' |
| 04:10.21 | seebs | Okay. |
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| 04:10.26 | seebs | That would be totally wrong. |
| 04:10.37 | Shirik | lua> a = 4; -- Is a a boolean? |
| 04:10.38 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 04:10.39 | seebs | "Boolean" means "a thing which is either true or false". |
| 04:10.40 | Shirik | er |
| 04:10.49 | Shirik | lua> a = 4; return type(a) |
| 04:10.50 | lua_bot | Shirik: number |
| 04:10.54 | Shirik | Lua disagrees |
| 04:11.01 | Shirik | lua> a = true; return type(a) |
| 04:11.02 | lua_bot | Shirik: boolean |
| 04:11.10 | seebs | So, an expression like (a == x) is a boolean, but (a = 4) is not. |
| 04:11.18 | Shirik | a = 4 is not an expression in Lua :) |
| 04:11.27 | seebs | Oh. |
| 04:11.37 | seebs | See, this is what you get for asking a C programmer Lua questions. |
| 04:11.39 | Shirik | unlike C :) |
| 04:12.08 | ThePooBurner | yeah, i know nothing about C. i only know what i do about lua from reading the wikies |
| 04:12.17 | ThePooBurner | and programming at all really |
| 04:12.35 | Shirik | I would advise you to read PIL and learn the basic types |
| 04:12.42 | ThePooBurner | what is PIL? |
| 04:12.48 | Shirik | ~pil |
| 04:12.49 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 04:12.51 | seebs | Programming in Lua. |
| 04:12.57 | seebs | Very good book, worth learning. |
| 04:12.57 | Xuerian | seebs: Take your train. Remove the tracks. Add off-road tires. |
| 04:13.25 | Xuerian | Doesn't fit through tunnels anymore! just goes over >.> |
| 04:13.29 | Shirik | btw, seebs, to counter your argument that a boolean is "either true or false" |
| 04:14.47 | Shirik | lua> maybe = loadstring(string.dump(function() return ({[true]=true})[true] end):gsub('\1\1','\1\2'))(); print(type(maybe), maybe==true, maybe==false) |
| 04:14.47 | lua_bot | Shirik: boolean, true, false |
| 04:14.47 | Shirik | oops |
| 04:14.47 | Shirik | boo! He patchedi t |
| 04:14.50 | Shirik | --> maybe = loadstring(string.dump(function() return ({[true]=true})[true] end):gsub('\1\1','\1\2'))(); print(type(maybe), maybe==true, maybe==false) |
| 04:14.50 | batbot | Shirik: boolean true false |
| 04:14.53 | Shirik | or I typed it wrong |
| 04:15.03 | seebs | The thing is, if you understand what the arguments to the function are, it goes from being a thing-to-memorize to something that makes SENSE. And it's really useful to understand why you're doing stuff, otherwise you'll do horrible things and not know why they don't work. |
| 04:15.05 | Shirik | Oh well |
| 04:15.18 | Shirik | There used to be a bug in Lua where you could make a boolean that was neither true nor false :) |
| 04:15.33 | seebs | Heh. |
| 04:15.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: by your own admission though, thats a bug. :p |
| 04:15.39 | Tem | Anyone who has killed Felmyst: PING |
| 04:15.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: suck less |
| 04:16.08 | Tem | how do we not get owned instantly by encapslte |
| 04:16.08 | Shirik | --> print(string.byte("abc", -5)) |
| 04:16.08 | batbot | Shirik: |
| 04:16.12 | Shirik | yeah they patched it |
| 04:16.14 | ScytheBlade1 | PS: The red beam is bad |
| 04:16.15 | Shirik | lua> print(string.byte("abc", -5)) |
| 04:16.16 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 04:16.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And uh, spread out? |
| 04:17.02 | Kinkx | Is there any place I can view the .lua of the default interface? |
| 04:17.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Kinkx: wowcompares.com |
| 04:17.25 | Shirik | ~wowcompares |
| 04:17.25 | purl | wowcompares is, like, http://wowcompares.com |
| 04:17.30 | Shirik | ~framexml |
| 04:17.30 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 04:17.35 | Kinkx | thanks mate :) |
| 04:18.13 | donno | tem, PONG |
| 04:18.20 | Tem | how do we not get owned instantly by encapslte |
| 04:18.31 | ScytheBlade1 | - Dispellable: NO (but you can run out of range). |
| 04:18.31 | ScytheBlade1 | - Removable (Cloak of Shadows): NO. No debuff is applied, so the resist mechanic of Cloak of Shadows is the only thing that could work, but the ability is not resistible. |
| 04:18.35 | ScytheBlade1 | - Removable (Ice Block, Divine Shield): Yes. No debuff is applied, so the immunity mechanic of these abilities is is the only thing that could work, and it does! |
| 04:18.35 | donno | not stand all in one place |
| 04:18.38 | ScytheBlade1 | - Absorbable: Yes, with Arcane Protection Potion (do this!). |
| 04:18.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid middle click |
| 04:18.41 | ScytheBlade1 | argh |
| 04:18.43 | ScytheBlade1 | And also I CALLED THAT |
| 04:18.46 | donno | make camps of 4 and a melee camp |
| 04:18.55 | Shirik | ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAIEA43cd2ckH8ARAh+2tM9J8jaad3J |
| 04:18.59 | Shirik | eh |
| 04:19.05 | Shirik | hi |
| 04:19.07 | donno | if you have more than 6 melees (melee group + tank), adjust accordingly |
| 04:19.13 | Zootfizzle | Achievement unlocked: Stole Shirik's bank information |
| 04:19.16 | ScytheBlade1 | sup shirik |
| 04:19.16 | Shirik | >< |
| 04:19.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Exactly @ Zoot |
| 04:19.19 | Shirik | Not my key anyway |
| 04:19.20 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 04:19.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly that's his public key |
| 04:19.31 | Shirik | yes iti s |
| 04:19.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Sooo, not much we can do with it |
| 04:19.38 | donno | and make sure everyone is in healing range to all the healers |
| 04:19.40 | End | Zootfizzle: what is this, xbox? In WoW land it's achievement earned! |
| 04:19.41 | NightHawkTheSane | we can encrypt stuff for shirik? :P |
| 04:19.44 | ScytheBlade1 | oh, and |
| 04:19.51 | Tem | Dono, we stand in 4 groups |
| 04:19.55 | ThePooBurner | perhaps someday when i have the time i will read the PIL thing. in the mean time i've learned a lot from all the howto guilds and from the Lua Wiki on the Lua-users site. like i mentioned earlier i was just forgetting to read it from the global table to make it concate(sp?) as something that existed instead of just a random string |
| 04:20.05 | ThePooBurner | sorry for the late reply i had to chace down a runaway hampster |
| 04:20.09 | seebs | Ahh. |
| 04:20.14 | ThePooBurner | *chase |
| 04:20.19 | seebs | The thing you're looking for is the variable with the name that the string contains. |
| 04:20.21 | donno | change to query to not spam the chan? |
| 04:20.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Zootfizzle: as long as you're right, that's what matters, yeah? :) |
| 04:20.42 | ThePooBurner | seebs: yes. |
| 04:20.52 | Zootfizzle | Now I know why they call you NightHawkTheSane! xD |
| 04:20.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: thanks for the crack known as Achievements, making me play more hours than I normally do through lag that I normally wouldn't play through despite both flight points lagging (NPC spawns) and loot lagging (and I still did the three-continent trick or treating... twice) |
| 04:21.18 | Iriel | Yeah, i'm having some achievement addiction problems too |
| 04:21.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Zootfizzle: indeed. :D strangely, some people around here don't believe it. >.> |
| 04:21.22 | End | yeah, actually, I think Achievements might be the worst thing to ever happen to me :P |
| 04:21.40 | Yssaril | Zootfizzle: any idea why CalendarOpenEvent() would be protected? |
| 04:21.46 | Zootfizzle | ScytheBlade1: As I sat at my computer last night at 2 in the morning, running around finishing my exploration achievements, I suddenly realized I had doomed my own life and choked up in a fit of despair. |
| 04:21.48 | End | I'm at 2645 achievement points...just need a little more and I'll have a little more! |
| 04:21.56 | Zootfizzle | Then I got an achievement and I felt better. |
| 04:21.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Guildie: "What can we use these points for?" Me: "Absolutely nothing" Him: "That's stupid." Me: "I KNOW, ARRRGGHHH" |
| 04:22.06 | ThePooBurner | I normally go to bed early. the first night i got the beta installed on my computer i was up till 2 getting acheivements for no apparent reason |
| 04:22.11 | End | I tell everyone they're epeen points |
| 04:22.17 | NightHawkTheSane | hah.. "Then I got an achievement and I felt better." == the entirety of wow, summed up. |
| 04:22.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is all they are but gaahhhh |
| 04:22.23 | Zootfizzle | ^_^ |
| 04:22.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Sooo addictive |
| 04:22.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Must collect 50 mounts |
| 04:22.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Corgan (n=Corgan@63.249.57.52) |
| 04:22.29 | End | yeah |
| 04:22.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Must visit EVERY INN |
| 04:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Must set an alarm to trick or treat EVERY HOUR ON THE HOUR |
| 04:22.47 | ThePooBurner | there is an achievment for visiting every inn? |
| 04:22.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Almost every inn |
| 04:22.54 | Xuerian | ScytheBlade1: Gragghh... I hate blizzard for this |
| 04:23.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Xuerian: I know! Help me stab Zoot! |
| 04:23.05 | Xuerian | I've done all the trick-or-treating... I've almost explored everywhere... |
| 04:23.08 | Xuerian | WHY |
| 04:23.11 | Xuerian | WHY HAVE I DON ETHIS |
| 04:23.21 | Xuerian | *cry* |
| 04:23.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: ... but it's good to know that we're not the only ones losing sleep over exploring that stupid place off of Azshara, or that corner in Feralas :) |
| 04:23.36 | NightHawkTheSane | The best part is, I explored all of kalimdor a few days before hallow's end, just to run all over it again doing the candy achievement. >< |
| 04:23.44 | End | it's not so bad |
| 04:23.46 | seebs | Heh. |
| 04:23.47 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Lol.. I did it the other way around |
| 04:23.53 | End | you can just take flight points anyways |
| 04:24.01 | End | I spent most of my time playing timed bejeweled |
| 04:24.02 | End | :D |
| 04:24.02 | NightHawkTheSane | at least i had the good sense to finish up exploration of EK and do the candy there at the same time |
| 04:24.11 | NightHawkTheSane | End: true that. :D |
| 04:24.29 | End | this path takes 5 minutes? ok *cue exploding gems* |
| 04:25.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I remember four spots that sucked... the north-east corner of Azshara, on the tip of the continent; the south-west plateau in Feralas; and then the bit of land in Desolace in the very very far south-east corner and the island in the very very far north-west corner :P |
| 04:25.10 | linear` | where do u get bejeweled for wow |
| 04:25.12 | linear` | popcap games? |
| 04:25.18 | End | it's on their site |
| 04:25.20 | ScytheBlade1 | linear`: popcap.com/promos/wow/ |
| 04:25.24 | End | but it's also on wowi and curse now too I think |
| 04:25.26 | Zootfizzle | Just, be careful. |
| 04:25.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Or wowinterface.com, search for bejeweled |
| 04:25.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Which speaking of addiction |
| 04:25.38 | End | Yeah, it's like crack inside of crack |
| 04:25.40 | Xuerian | end: Trigun tfw |
| 04:25.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Bejeweled is up there too |
| 04:25.42 | Zootfizzle | Make sure that when you play WoW and Bejeweled at the same time that you have a buddy around. |
| 04:25.43 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: all those damn islands out in the middle of nowhere sucked. >< |
| 04:25.47 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: can you come spawn an npc for an old world event on my server so i can turnin a 2 year old completed quest for a feat of strengh and feel better? |
| 04:25.56 | Zootfizzle | So they can pull you out of it when you need to eat |
| 04:25.56 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: I had -all- of the islands except that stupid one in Feralas. |
| 04:26.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: hah. |
| 04:26.09 | End | so when I was getting the trick or treat in kalimdor achievement, it was like crack inside of crack inside of crack |
| 04:26.10 | Xuerian | The crack dealer shows his face! |
| 04:26.10 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: err, Desolace |
| 04:26.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Not Feralas |
| 04:26.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, well both are obnoxious |
| 04:26.31 | Zootfizzle | Arrowmaster: Are you sure that's the one thing you want me to do before you get me fired? :P |
| 04:26.40 | End | lol |
| 04:26.47 | NightHawkTheSane | the feralas one is annoying for horde, its so fucking out of the way |
| 04:26.52 | Arrowmaster | but ive had this quest in my questlog for 2 year...... |
| 04:27.05 | Yssaril | Arrowmaster: what quest? |
| 04:27.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: that's a pretty weak reason to get Zoot fired, the least you could have done is ask for 200 million gold first |
| 04:27.09 | End | Arrowmaster: >_> |
| 04:27.24 | Arrowmaster | the darkportal one for the BC opening |
| 04:27.36 | Arrowmaster | i never got a chance to turn it in, pvp server and all |
| 04:27.38 | End | ah |
| 04:27.43 | NightHawkTheSane | the one that gives you that neat tabard? |
| 04:27.47 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:27.50 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 04:27.52 | NightHawkTheSane | poor bastard. |
| 04:27.57 | Xuerian | "I'm... gonna.. turn.. it... <SPLUT>" "DAMMIT!" |
| 04:28.35 | End | I remember that quest |
| 04:28.45 | NightHawkTheSane | my warrior ( that i don't play anymore >.> ) got that done on a pvp server. she also has a zg tiger. .. i should play her again |
| 04:28.47 | Arrowmaster | that npc seriously shouldnt have completely disappeared, just should have stoped giving the quest but still allowed it to be turned in |
| 04:28.51 | End | I remember going back shortly before TBC was released |
| 04:28.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: what quest/NPC? |
| 04:29.01 | End | and the area seemed empty.. |
| 04:29.06 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: read up |
| 04:29.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 04:29.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah sucker |
| 04:29.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: what, you mean like those commendation npcs that stick around 3 years after the fact? :P |
| 04:29.18 | End | 1 week before: chaotic as hell. 3 days before: empty |
| 04:29.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I got that done and have the feat of strength :P |
| 04:29.27 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: yeah |
| 04:32.52 | End | I always thought they might add another way to get tokens |
| 04:32.55 | End | but they never did |
| 04:34.14 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: You don't use passwords for your servers |
| 04:34.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Correct |
| 04:34.28 | End | he uses keys? |
| 04:34.31 | Shirik | Shouldn't I just be able to copy my .ssh folder to a new home folder if I want a new username? |
| 04:34.45 | ScytheBlade1 | As long as you set permissions properly yes |
| 04:35.41 | Shirik | for some reason it keeps saying "Server refused our key" |
| 04:35.44 | Shirik | do I need to restart sshd? |
| 04:35.48 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 04:35.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Your permissions are broken |
| 04:36.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Stop the ssh server, and invoke it manually as root with "sshd -dD" |
| 04:36.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That'll allow a single connection, print debug to your screen, and terminate |
| 04:37.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd place money on it saying "permissions are broke" |
| 04:37.24 | Redguard | Shirik are you trying to add a new user or add an authentication key for the sshd for an existing user |
| 04:37.37 | Shirik | I already have the key working for my account |
| 04:37.41 | Mike-N-Go | What is the hex of \ ? |
| 04:37.43 | Shirik | I wish to create a second account for myself with the same key |
| 04:37.44 | Redguard | ok |
| 04:37.54 | ScytheBlade1 | That really doesn't mean your file permissions are correct |
| 04:37.57 | Redguard | step 1. does the 2nd account already exist |
| 04:38.02 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:38.22 | Redguard | you are sure it exists because it sounds like you tried to copy a directory and you are assuming it exists |
| 04:38.23 | Redguard | am I wrong? |
| 04:38.50 | Shirik | I have checked and ensured that it is there |
| 04:38.55 | ScytheBlade1 | .. from experience, having the SSH daemon tell you exactly why it won't accept the key is the quickest way of getting it working. |
| 04:38.58 | Redguard | how did you check |
| 04:39.01 | Mike-N-Go | 92? Right? |
| 04:39.03 | Shirik | at /home/tpdelbuono/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 04:39.07 | Shirik | with ls? |
| 04:39.15 | Redguard | ls shows directories, not users |
| 04:39.17 | Shirik | working on it ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:39.19 | Redguard | type this: |
| 04:39.28 | Redguard | su tpdelbuono |
| 04:39.35 | Redguard | assuming tpdelbuono is the name of the 2nd account |
| 04:39.40 | Redguard | what does it say? |
| 04:39.45 | Shirik | tpdelbuono@li23-154 /etc/init.d $ |
| 04:40.04 | Redguard | what OS is this |
| 04:40.10 | Shirik | Linux Gentoo |
| 04:40.10 | End | linux :P |
| 04:40.23 | End | pff, way to get specific with the distro! |
| 04:40.23 | Redguard | grep tpdelbuono /etc/password |
| 04:40.25 | AnduinLothar | ok so... wiping to crockalisks in ZA is liek the funniest thing ever |
| 04:40.33 | End | AnduinLothar: ...wtf? |
| 04:40.34 | Redguard | paste that real quick, assuming it doesn't have the pass hash or any private info |
| 04:40.39 | Redguard | such that you don't want posted |
| 04:40.40 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 04:40.45 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, what did I break? |
| 04:40.45 | Redguard | sorry |
| 04:40.48 | Redguard | it's /etc/passwd |
| 04:40.57 | Shirik | There is a "fail" here: |
| 04:40.59 | End | gentoo does use a shadow file |
| 04:41.00 | Shirik | li23-154 init.d # ./sshd stop |
| 04:41.00 | Shirik | * Caching service dependencies ... |
| 04:41.00 | Shirik | * Cannot add provide 'jira', as a service with the same name exists! [ ok ] |
| 04:41.04 | ScytheBlade1 | That's portage |
| 04:41.06 | Shirik | wtf does jira have to do with sshd? |
| 04:41.15 | Redguard | it doesn't |
| 04:41.23 | ScytheBlade1 | That's gentoo running up and down the service dep tree and saying "hey you broke it somewhere" |
| 04:41.26 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:41.27 | Shirik | ok :P |
| 04:41.28 | End | jira is part of init.d too :P |
| 04:41.30 | Shirik | I ignore that |
| 04:41.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Correct |
| 04:41.38 | Redguard | end i just want to make sure his home directory is /home/tpdelbuono |
| 04:41.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Stop the daemon (stay logged in) |
| 04:41.47 | Shirik | I just stopped it |
| 04:41.48 | ScytheBlade1 | sshd -dD |
| 04:41.51 | Redguard | Shirik try eh, su - tpdelbuono |
| 04:41.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And then connect |
| 04:41.54 | End | well, I'd use...id I think? |
| 04:42.00 | ScytheBlade1 | And that'll give you all the reasoning you need |
| 04:42.02 | Redguard | does it put you into /home/tpdelbuono |
| 04:42.08 | ScytheBlade1 | (Just remember to restart it once you're done :)) |
| 04:42.09 | End | I guess id doesn't say |
| 04:42.14 | Shirik | li23-154 init.d # ./sshd -dD |
| 04:42.15 | Shirik | * ERROR: wrong args ( -dD ) |
| 04:42.15 | Shirik | * Usage: sshd { reload } |
| 04:42.15 | Shirik | * sshd without arguments for full help |
| 04:42.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 04:42.29 | Redguard | if so paste ls -Rl /home/tpdelbuono/.ssh |
| 04:42.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't use the init script |
| 04:42.33 | Shirik | oh sorry |
| 04:42.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Just call the binary directly |
| 04:43.34 | Redguard | he might have the owner setup incorrectly |
| 04:43.44 | Redguard | or world read/write etc |
| 04:43.48 | ScytheBlade1 | He might have done anything |
| 04:43.51 | Shirik | I don't think this is going to work right, ScytheBlade1, since I'm still connected |
| 04:43.54 | Shirik | Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use. |
| 04:43.56 | ScytheBlade1 | This will tell us exactly what he did wrong |
| 04:43.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 04:43.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Then SSH didn't stop |
| 04:44.05 | Shirik | it said it did |
| 04:44.07 | Shirik | but I am still connected |
| 04:44.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ps aux | grep sshd |
| 04:44.11 | Shirik | should I disconnect and go to lish? |
| 04:44.12 | ScytheBlade1 | You'll remain connected |
| 04:44.18 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want, it won't matter |
| 04:44.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Your ability to remain connected is not dependant on the daemon running continually |
| 04:44.39 | Shirik | there's two sshd processes still running |
| 04:44.41 | Shirik | kill them? |
| 04:44.47 | Redguard | one is your connection |
| 04:44.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 04:44.52 | Redguard | one is the daemon |
| 04:45.00 | Thrae | Haha |
| 04:45.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Kill the right one :) |
| 04:45.07 | Mike-N-Go | I have a question. |
| 04:45.09 | Mike-N-Go | !lua string.gsub("\\", "|", "||"); |
| 04:45.09 | batbot | Mike-N-Go: > \, 0 |
| 04:45.25 | Mike-N-Go | Why does that return a "\"? |
| 04:45.26 | End | Just curious |
| 04:45.27 | Shirik | Server unexpectedly closed network connection. |
| 04:45.29 | Shirik | I fail :( |
| 04:45.32 | Shirik | ok I'll go to Lish |
| 04:45.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Wrong one! |
| 04:45.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Good thing, yeah, you have lish |
| 04:45.40 | End | did you guys look at auth.log or whatever the equivlent log file is? |
| 04:45.44 | End | <3 lish |
| 04:45.50 | End | I've...broken things before >_> |
| 04:45.57 | Redguard | Shirik I warned you :P |
| 04:46.00 | ScytheBlade1 | auth.log won't log everything we're looking for |
| 04:46.28 | Thrae | Mike-N-Go: Because '\' is an escape character, so '\\' escapes into '\' |
| 04:46.31 | End | no, not everything :P |
| 04:46.41 | Shirik | ok no sshd processes running |
| 04:46.42 | End | but it might show something obvious :P |
| 04:46.42 | Shirik | let's try this again |
| 04:46.55 | Thrae | !lua string.gsub("\\", "foo", "bar"); |
| 04:46.55 | batbot | Thrae: > \, 0 |
| 04:46.57 | Redguard | !lua string.gsub([[\\]], "|", "||") |
| 04:46.57 | batbot | Redguard: > \\, 0 |
| 04:47.20 | Mike-N-Go | Here is what I am doing. |
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| 04:47.27 | Shirik | ok this is a ton |
| 04:47.29 | Shirik | I'll pastey it |
| 04:47.32 | Thrae | Yeah, [[]] can be used to make it literal. |
| 04:48.11 | Mike-N-Go | Hacking itemlinks with to input a pipe to make them literial. |
| 04:48.12 | Redguard | Shirik want to fix it in under 3 minutes? ls -l /home/tpdelbuono ; ls -Rla /home/tpdelbuono/.ssh |
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| 04:48.13 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:48.15 | Shirik | ha |
| 04:48.16 | Redguard | pastey that for me |
| 04:48.16 | Shirik | haha |
| 04:48.21 | Shirik | I already found it |
| 04:48.26 | End | lol |
| 04:48.26 | Shirik | this is an interesting line: User tpdelbuono not allowed because account is locked |
| 04:48.31 | End | hahahaha\ |
| 04:48.33 | End | nice! :P |
| 04:48.42 | Redguard | goober :) |
| 04:48.46 | Thrae | Just sudo it |
| 04:48.58 | End | bad shell? or is there some other locking mechanism |
| 04:48.58 | Mike-N-Go | And in our new link of trade, it turns a "\\" into a "\" |
| 04:49.02 | Thrae | sudo make me a sandwich. |
| 04:49.12 | Mike-N-Go | Thrae: What is this literal you talk of? |
| 04:49.51 | Shirik | and.... it lets me in now :( |
| 04:49.53 | Shirik | ok that was fail |
| 04:50.07 | Thrae | Mike-N-Go: string.gsub takes patterns like %w, \n, \t, etc., so \ needs to be escaped into \\. A literal string is one that's taken literally; no patterns. |
| 04:51.01 | Redguard | Mike-N-Go i posted a solution already, please read |
| 04:51.13 | Mike-N-Go | Where did it go? |
| 04:51.21 | Redguard | in your buffer obviously |
| 04:51.24 | Redguard | scroll up ^- |
| 04:51.35 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, I was looking for a pasty for some reason. |
| 04:51.43 | Thrae | Mike-N-Go: Using [[string]] instead of "string" makes it read literally. |
| 04:51.52 | Shirik | ~Scytheblade1++ |
| 04:52.31 | ScytheBlade1 | <3 |
| 04:53.40 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks, I have been working my code for the last few hours.. things are slipping by. |
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| 04:54.45 | Mike-N-Go | I have a for the string, how do I use the brackets as you showed me with the var? "[["..link.."]]" does not work. |
| 04:55.42 | Thrae | !api string.gsub |
| 04:55.42 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'string.gsub' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.gsub |
| 04:56.45 | Shirik | I really like it when messages conflict with each other |
| 04:56.46 | Shirik | like this one: |
| 04:56.50 | Shirik | /sbin/start-stop-daemon: user `svn' not found |
| 04:56.50 | Shirik | (Success) [ !! ] |
| 04:56.55 | Shirik | (Success) [Fail] |
| 04:56.57 | Shirik | Great line there |
| 04:57.25 | Thrae | Shirik: Those don't necessarily relate to each other, just markers |
| 04:57.38 | Thrae | Mike-N-Go: Mmmm, wait a minute |
| 04:58.11 | Revery | so like, I remember from diving into this in an earlier mod, there was a way to output more complex variables than just strings to the chat window and have it show you the structure of say classes and functions, but I can't get just a simple Print() to do it, does any1 know how this can be done? |
| 04:58.54 | End | NightHawkTheSane: fyi, you aren't supposed to add Bindings.xml to your toc |
| 04:59.01 | NightHawkTheSane | End: oh? |
| 04:59.09 | Redguard | revery |
| 04:59.09 | Mike-N-Go | Revery: Do you mean with SendChatMessage(), or just to the player? |
| 04:59.10 | End | it just automagically finds the file |
| 04:59.14 | Arrowmaster | End: no |
| 04:59.16 | Redguard | i made a function to print some crap.. one sec |
| 04:59.20 | Arrowmaster | er |
| 04:59.21 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 04:59.21 | End | yes |
| 04:59.24 | Arrowmaster | you dont add it |
| 04:59.31 | NightHawkTheSane | didn't know that, cool |
| 04:59.32 | Thrae | Mike-N-Go: Actually I just checked -- it's the print() command which is taking "\\" and turning it into "\", not string.gsub. My mistake. |
| 04:59.36 | End | I'm looking in FrameXML.log and I see a warning message :P |
| 05:00.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ill fix that.. at some point. |
| 05:00.22 | End | unfortunately I didn't find what I'm looking for...looks like I didn't actually restart WoW like I pretended I did |
| 05:00.28 | Redguard | Revery, http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98915 |
| 05:00.38 | Redguard | does that help any? |
| 05:00.40 | End | or |
| 05:00.41 | End | better yet |
| 05:00.48 | End | I put the directory in the wrong place |
| 05:01.00 | End | >_> |
| 05:01.02 | End | <_< |
| 05:01.46 | Revery | yes probably, ty! |
| 05:02.03 | Redguard | it's what I use to dump tables and view variables strings, etc |
| 05:02.17 | Redguard | I'm not sure if it does boolean correctly, if not that'd be an easy fix |
| 05:02.29 | Shirik | Well that was a mess |
| 05:02.35 | Shirik | But yay, nobody needs root access anymore |
| 05:02.35 | End | oops, forgot add self as part of the OnEvent handler >_> |
| 05:02.47 | Shirik | All the people have all the access they need without going to root |
| 05:02.54 | Redguard | Shirik I demand root.. how else can I play quake? |
| 05:03.27 | Thrae | Redguard: Quake doesn't need root, just fancy permissions. |
| 05:03.35 | Redguard | old joke :/ |
| 05:04.33 | Shirik | but |
| 05:04.37 | Shirik | by far the best part of my server |
| 05:05.10 | End | hm |
| 05:05.30 | End | most of the guild CHAT_MSG_ADDON traffic seems to be Bejeweled :P |
| 05:05.50 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/df757272c2c65f13cd62cecc5b6c8563.jpg |
| 05:05.52 | Shirik | ^ awesome |
| 05:06.03 | Mike-N-Go | !lua string.gsub((string.format ('%q',"\\"), "|", "||"); |
| 05:06.03 | batbot | Mike-N-Go: @ [string "string.gsub((string.format ('%q',"\\"), "|", "||");"]:1: ')' expected near ',' |
| 05:06.19 | Mike-N-Go | !lua string.gsub(string.format ('%q',"\\"), "|", "||"); |
| 05:06.19 | batbot | Mike-N-Go: > "\\", 0 |
| 05:06.22 | Mike-N-Go | Yay |
| 05:06.56 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks for the help. |
| 05:07.44 | Shirik | p.s. ScytheBlade1 thanks for helping me with that too :) |
| 05:07.47 | Shirik | no evil on my server |
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| 05:08.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:08.13 | ScytheBlade1 | passwords suck :) |
| 05:08.25 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm |
| 05:08.31 | NightHawkTheSane | lua> "a" > "b" |
| 05:08.31 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: false |
| 05:08.34 | NightHawkTheSane | lua> "a" < "b" |
| 05:08.35 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: true |
| 05:08.38 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm... |
| 05:09.34 | Mike-N-Go | NightHawkTheSane: Nice. |
| 05:09.47 | Neuro_Medivh | bird >= word |
| 05:10.12 | Mike-N-Go | !lua tonumber("a") |
| 05:10.12 | batbot | Mike-N-Go: > nil |
| 05:10.26 | Mike-N-Go | !lua #"a" |
| 05:10.26 | batbot | Mike-N-Go: > 1 |
| 05:10.34 | Mike-N-Go | !lua #"b" |
| 05:10.35 | batbot | Mike-N-Go: > 1 |
| 05:10.39 | End | lua> tonumber("123a") |
| 05:10.40 | lua_bot | End: nil |
| 05:10.58 | Mike-N-Go | I think it has something to do with the hex. |
| 05:11.11 | Redguard | ? |
| 05:11.14 | End | what? |
| 05:11.45 | Mike-N-Go | !lua "a" < "?" |
| 05:11.45 | batbot | Mike-N-Go: > false |
| 05:11.49 | Mike-N-Go | !lua "a" > "?" |
| 05:11.49 | batbot | Mike-N-Go: > true |
| 05:11.53 | Mike-N-Go | http://www.asciitable.com/ |
| 05:11.57 | End | it's just doing a strcmp |
| 05:12.01 | Redguard | lua> tonumber(0x1) |
| 05:12.02 | lua_bot | Redguard: 1 |
| 05:12.08 | Redguard | lua> tonumber(0xa1) |
| 05:12.10 | lua_bot | Redguard: 161 |
| 05:12.21 | Redguard | hex looks fine to me mike |
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| 05:12.51 | Mike-N-Go | Why a letter would be greater then another, that is what I was trying to state. |
| 05:13.10 | Redguard | because letters have decimal values |
| 05:13.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 05:13.58 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I was more referring to the lack of emacs :) |
| 05:15.15 | Shirik | anyway, night |
| 05:15.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:15.17 | ScytheBlade1 | night |
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| 05:16.04 | ccox | hmm, PTR servers are back up - but empty... |
| 05:17.42 | End | wtf, I guess I'm tanking twin emps |
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| 05:21.11 | Shirik|zZz | Thunder_Child............. |
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| 05:27.28 | Shirik|zZz | Isn't that supposed to break things? |
| 05:27.34 | Shirik|zZz | li23-154 mpdelbuono # kill -9 `pidof init` |
| 05:27.38 | Shirik|zZz | it did nothing |
| 05:28.08 | Shirik|zZz | boring |
| 05:30.16 | Redguard | doesn't have to break anything, no |
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| 05:42.33 | digmouse | how can i disable the background texture in Omen3 |
| 05:44.44 | NightHawkTheSane | have you tried the obvious? |
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| 05:46.11 | Mike-N-Go | Yay. I have my iLink extractor slash command working. |
| 05:50.13 | Redguard | NightHawkTheSane deleting the addon? :D |
| 05:51.44 | haste | durcyn: feel free to post a bug report :) |
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| 05:58.33 | Tem | Digimouse, just don't use omen |
| 05:58.43 | Tem | threat meters are a wash now |
| 05:58.57 | Tem | yay for doing absurd threat as a tank |
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| 06:08.48 | Redguard | ehh |
| 06:08.52 | Redguard | i still pull threat over tanks |
| 06:08.58 | Redguard | it's not a wash, just improved |
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| 06:11.16 | Tem | if you still pull threat either your tanks suck, or you don't understand the concept of "wait until the tank has a threat buffer before you start wailing on it" |
| 06:12.03 | NightHawkTheSane | well, there's also "you vastly outgear your tank" :p |
| 06:12.30 | Kirov | There's also the "tank is speced deep arms and I'm a fire mage" |
| 06:12.53 | Kirov | Hot Streak = dead mage |
| 06:13.01 | NightHawkTheSane | well, theoretically, dps specs in def stance shouldn't really have less threat |
| 06:13.12 | NightHawkTheSane | er, less threat than a prot spec. |
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| 06:13.33 | Kirov | Yay for a talent that's basically pom pyro every 15 seconds. |
| 06:13.52 | Redguard | lol |
| 06:14.01 | Redguard | i got pom fireballed in arena the other day |
| 06:14.02 | Redguard | :/ |
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| 06:18.44 | Tem | Redguard, sure it wasn't a brain freeze proc? |
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| 06:24.01 | Tem | Is the "feature" of that arcane talent still in where you have +30% crit while you keep PoM up? |
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| 06:39.23 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|zZz, yo? |
| 06:42.12 | Redguard | tem: yea, i'm sure |
| 06:42.52 | Tem | then that mage was in a bizarre spec |
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| 06:52.11 | End | wow, people fail at c'thun |
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| 06:56.14 | Redguard | lol |
| 06:56.25 | Redguard | lvl60 boss gg |
| 06:58.39 | Kirov | C'Thun is a really annoying boss. |
| 06:59.24 | Kirov | It's possible, and usually does, for someone to die because they got bounced around by multiple tenticles to their death. |
| 07:05.23 | End | we'll, we got close that time |
| 07:05.27 | End | we* |
| 07:06.16 | zenzio | we had some issue with C'thun the other day where it appeared that the red beam wasn't very visible |
| 07:07.26 | zenzio | but really more trouble with Twin Emperors... half a raid of people who had never been to AQ40 and had no concept how things worked. Amazed we managed to keep them far enough apart at all |
| 07:07.30 | End | yeah, we're telling people to turn their spell detail up |
| 07:08.38 | End | I've never done either fight before though :P |
| 07:08.58 | End | I had some idea that twin emps switched places, and that c'thun had a nasty beam and a stomach |
| 07:09.25 | Xuerian | Kirov: It's like a bad version of tentacle porn :D |
| 07:10.15 | zenzio | speaking of bouncing around, I take amusement in how some melee always dies on Magtheridon because they bounce into the cleave |
| 07:10.32 | End | heh |
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| 08:13.53 | Pheredhel | hi |
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| 08:42.49 | campusman | anyone on this late? |
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| 08:57.44 | Xuerian | You wouldn't think so.. |
| 08:58.39 | haste | 11AM! |
| 08:58.48 | haste | needs more ugt |
| 09:01.26 | Pheredhel | ack |
| 09:11.17 | haste | awesome! |
| 09:11.24 | haste | my mouse is stuck on my laptops screen |
| 09:11.33 | haste | but I have keyboard input on my workstation |
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| 09:11.48 | haste | *kills synergy* |
| 09:12.15 | AnduinLothar | synergy is good times |
| 09:12.28 | Toadkiller | zenzio: You can dps twins down through the healing, it just takes forever... |
| 09:12.38 | haste | synergy is a awesome app :3 |
| 09:13.26 | zenzio | Toadkiller: not when the caster is pwning people left and right :-p But yeah |
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| 10:09.50 | Dhraga | Where can I find an extraction of the latest wow 3.0.2 api files ? |
| 10:12.03 | zenzio | live version? |
| 10:12.17 | Dhraga | yes live version |
| 10:12.28 | zenzio | did you try Blizzard's extractor? |
| 10:12.37 | Dhraga | *cough* nope ;) |
| 10:12.40 | zenzio | ~framexml |
| 10:12.40 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 10:12.59 | Dhraga | thank you =) |
| 10:13.00 | pb_ee1 | ~kick myass |
| 10:13.01 | purl | ACTION kicks myass |
| 10:13.22 | pb_ee1 | nice one. |
| 10:14.13 | Adys | ~whalenuke pb_ee1 |
| 10:14.14 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around pb_ee1 with his mind powers. |
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| 10:31.15 | Punkie | man i went to the us and am disappointed for 2 reasons |
| 10:31.23 | Punkie | 1) root beer tastes like GERMOLINE |
| 10:31.44 | Punkie | and 2) we have candy corn on the tv and i was like, damn that must taste awesome but no it is just FUDGE |
| 10:31.49 | Punkie | i thought it was going to be hard candy :( |
| 10:39.18 | Dhraga | Any ui dev bored and have a minute to see if you can spot whats wrong in a code ? |
| 10:40.19 | Punkie | just pastey it |
| 10:41.26 | Dhraga | The error= http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98931 The Code =http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98930 The Addon phpraiderViewer = http://tinyurl.com/5rr67d |
| 10:43.51 | Dhraga | Our guild uses the phpRaiderViewer for all our raid invites (we use a sql export through by php code from our PhpRaider) and since 3.0.2 invites and queues have been extremely annoying |
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| 11:11.43 | Wobin | hehe |
| 11:11.46 | Wobin | core hound pet |
| 11:11.53 | Wobin | <Don't Loot Me Bro> |
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| 11:21.42 | Wobin | http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/10/universal-design-pattern.html |
| 11:21.50 | Wobin | A good programming article --^ |
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| 11:40.24 | Industrial | *read* |
| 11:41.13 | Diskmaster | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11296506489 <-- That'll never get implemented. |
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| 11:48.33 | Industrial | Wobin: this guy can write :o |
| 11:49.14 | Wobin | Industrial: inorite? |
| 11:49.39 | Wobin | It's fascinating how much it makes sense, once you've actually coded in Lua |
| 11:53.41 | Industrial | I'm not done reading tho, by far :3 |
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| 11:56.11 | krka | old article, it doesn't seem to know that lua does run on jvm |
| 11:59.13 | Wobin | krka: I think he's been saving up on this article for a while now |
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| 12:03.39 | Quezacolt | Which takes more time, accessing a global or calling a function? |
| 12:07.45 | krka | accessing a global |
| 12:08.23 | Quezacolt | okay, thanks |
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| 12:09.50 | krka | hm i was probably wrong |
| 12:10.05 | krka | access of global should be slightly faster |
| 12:11.05 | Quezacolt | Hehe, I'm gonna go test to make sure, then |
| 12:11.38 | Industrial | Wobin: reading this article makes my fingers tingly wanting to write code :P |
| 12:11.46 | Wobin | hehe |
| 12:12.24 | krka | Quezacolt: don't design for slightly faster access, design for maintainability |
| 12:12.30 | krka | profile the code later |
| 12:12.47 | Industrial | mm, using a full tier6 warrior tank to run yourself through deadmines and basically grab the whole instance at once is FUN xD |
| 12:12.51 | Quezacolt | Will do! |
| 12:12.58 | Industrial | got 2 wows open :P |
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| 13:02.04 | p3lim | hm heavy load on the site at this hour? :S |
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| 13:07.50 | Hjalte | p3lim: I was thinking the same. It can't really be the 3.0 patch madness anymore, I'd guess :) |
| 13:08.06 | p3lim | hm.. its odd |
| 13:08.48 | Hjalte | p3lim: Can you tell me if party pets are not supported by oUF since no layouts seem to feature them? |
| 13:08.57 | p3lim | they are supported |
| 13:09.22 | p3lim | its just cleaver use of attributes to spawn them |
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| 13:16.28 | ievil | whats a good place to start reading to figure out how to debug PaperDollFrame.lua errors? |
| 13:22.42 | Aesir | You running ItemRack? |
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| 13:32.16 | Shirik | GOOD MORNING AMERICA |
| 13:32.35 | Shirik | and the rest of the world that we don't really care about but have to pretend we do |
| 13:32.36 | Shirik | <3 |
| 13:32.43 | |pez| | *pout* |
| 13:32.48 | Shirik | <3! |
| 13:33.17 | |pez| | is that a real <3? Or just a pretend <3? ;__; |
| 13:34.01 | Shirik | always real! |
| 13:34.42 | zenzio | don't worry Shirik, you Americans don't have to pretend to like the rest of the world. It's not like the rest of the world pretends to like you Americans |
| 13:34.51 | krka | must be a real, imaginary numbers don't have an as good definition for < |
| 13:34.57 | Diskmaster | ;_; |
| 13:35.20 | |pez| | Shirik: But I', not American! |
| 13:35.36 | ievil | Aesir, no - it's an bag addon |
| 13:36.02 | ievil | seems it's an old include of PaperDollItemSlotButton_OnLoad in the XML that causes |
| 13:36.04 | ievil | it |
| 13:36.10 | ievil | removed and errors are gone |
| 13:36.32 | Aesir | ievil: My bad anyway - I mixed up chat tabs and thought you were asking the question in reference to needing support for a specific addon. Sorry for my confusion. |
| 13:36.50 | ievil | np :) |
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| 13:58.47 | End | weird, I had a package for my address |
| 13:58.54 | End | but it wasn't for me! |
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| 14:00.02 | Kraps | hey guys, what other MMO's do you guys like? |
| 14:00.17 | End | hello kitty island adventure |
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| 14:00.27 | jnwhiteh | HKIA |
| 14:00.28 | Wobin | hkia is the best! |
| 14:00.32 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 14:00.37 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:00.44 | Kraps | yeah... besides that one |
| 14:00.57 | jnwhiteh | there is no mmo only hkia |
| 14:01.11 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.24 | Josh_Borke | ~lart jnwhiteh |
| 14:01.24 | purl | beats jnwhiteh to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 14:01.38 | Josh_Borke | Kraps: i heard that i only play wow and even then stopped doing that |
| 14:01.48 | Kraps | eh? |
| 14:03.45 | Kraps | come on, i want to know what enormous client is worth d/ling |
| 14:04.18 | Josh_Borke | wow? |
| 14:04.29 | Kraps | oh geez |
| 14:04.47 | Josh_Borke | seriously, what are you asking? |
| 14:04.55 | Josh_Borke | i don't think many people here play other mmo's |
| 14:05.14 | Kraps | hmm |
| 14:05.42 | Josh_Borke | i have friends who like warhammer |
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| 14:06.20 | Kraps | seems warhammer is more popular than aoc |
| 14:06.23 | Shirik | I believe we have to ban jnwhiteh from wowinterface now |
| 14:06.30 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 14:06.32 | Shirik | jnwhiteh there is no mmo only hkia |
| 14:06.36 | Shirik | >.> |
| 14:06.40 | jnwhiteh | my what a big hostmask ckk has |
| 14:06.46 | |Jelly| | ~hug Shirik |
| 14:06.46 | purl | ACTION hugs Shirik tightly until Shirik turns slightly blue |
| 14:06.59 | Josh_Borke | jnwhiteh: is that like commenting on one's banana? |
| 14:07.07 | Kraps | heh |
| 14:07.09 | Josh_Borke | jnwhiteh: wow, is that a big host mask or are you just happy to see me? |
| 14:07.18 | jnwhiteh | no thats my pee pee |
| 14:07.31 | kneeki | Jeez, WoWI is getting hit hard right now |
| 14:07.49 | Kraps | btw, people quitting wow because of the current sever problems = fail |
| 14:07.57 | Shirik | kneeki: ? |
| 14:07.59 | kneeki | Kraps: Nobodys quiting =p |
| 14:08.07 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: Its just loading.. |
| 14:08.09 | jnwhiteh | I get nothing |
| 14:08.12 | kneeki | Shirik: Site is very slow + timing out |
| 14:08.24 | kneeki | So, I assumed many users. /shrug |
| 14:08.42 | Kraps | kneeki: beg to differ (if thes guys are to be believed) http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/20/breakfast-topic-are-server-outages-driving-you-to-other-games/3#comments |
| 14:09.07 | kneeki | Kraps: Haha |
| 14:09.23 | Shirik | kneeki: thanks |
| 14:09.33 | kneeki | I assume the OP's there are just upset they lost T4 drop from Kara or something... If they want to quit, then let t hem. ;) |
| 14:09.56 | Wikwocket | More bandwidth for us! |
| 14:10.00 | Kraps | word |
| 14:10.08 | kneeki | lol yes |
| 14:10.53 | Kraps | i think dalvegyr had been "relatively" stable |
| 14:11.47 | Wikwocket | Azuremyst has a queue all of a sudden, but not too bad |
| 14:11.57 | Kraps | ninja costume ftw |
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| 14:23.14 | Kraps | whats the deal with magelo? is it allowed or not? |
| 14:26.29 | kneeki | Kraps: what is it? |
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| 14:26.39 | Kraps | http://wow.magelo.com/home.jspa |
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| 14:28.27 | Hjalte | Kraps: It's a program that uploads character data to a website? |
| 14:29.02 | Kraps | i think so |
| 14:29.12 | Kraps | but for yourself |
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| 14:29.27 | ZorbaTHut | I don't see any reason it wouldn't be |
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| 14:31.38 | Wikwocket | The debate has gone on, since it gets its info by reading WoW's memory space |
| 14:31.58 | ZorbaTHut | oh, does it? that's weird, why does it do that? |
| 14:32.02 | Kraps | i know, but is there an end result |
| 14:32.08 | ievil | how does it do that? |
| 14:32.21 | ievil | if it's buy lua it's per say ont from wow's memory space |
| 14:32.36 | ievil | if it's from a resident 3rd party .exe file then it prolly would be not allowed |
| 14:32.40 | ievil | the lua variant would be |
| 14:33.09 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's pretty much how I see it |
| 14:33.22 | ZorbaTHut | as far as I know, if you can do it in lua, it's allowed (well, with one exception) |
| 14:33.35 | ievil | which exception? :) |
| 14:33.40 | ZorbaTHut | cross-faction communication |
| 14:33.56 | ievil | ah lol |
| 14:34.32 | Mundyz | is there a working preform or equivilent out yet? |
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| 15:18.28 | cogwheel | :'( |
| 15:18.36 | cogwheel | i couldn't find you after that first day in the line ride >< |
| 15:18.40 | AckisWork | you could've told people you saw me :P |
| 15:18.42 | AckisWork | lol |
| 15:18.45 | AckisWork | yah I got lost a few times |
| 15:18.47 | AckisWork | and hid |
| 15:18.48 | AckisWork | and stuff |
| 15:18.56 | AckisWork | ended up just playing tcg/mini's lol |
| 15:19.16 | AckisWork | I didn't see anyone else though =/ |
| 15:19.36 | zenzelezz | must have been a tiny convention if you were alone |
| 15:20.05 | AckisWork | there were MILLIONS of people AHHHHHH |
| 15:20.14 | zenzelezz | and you didn't see anyone? o_O |
| 15:20.16 | AckisWork | cog tried to touch my happy spot :( |
| 15:20.40 | Seerah | lol |
| 15:20.43 | Seerah | that's why you were hiding |
| 15:20.49 | Seerah | why didn't you come to dinner with us? |
| 15:21.02 | AckisWork | I lost track of time, didn't know where to go, etc |
| 15:21.41 | AckisWork | I mean I was basking in the love of cog |
| 15:21.48 | Seerah | get in a cab and say "benihanas please" :) |
| 15:21.53 | Seerah | he was at my dinner table :P |
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| 15:22.08 | AckisWork | I didn't even know the name of the place :P |
| 15:22.16 | Seerah | it was on the forums |
| 15:22.21 | Seerah | with a map, too |
| 15:22.30 | Seerah | next year you won't hide |
| 15:22.32 | AckisWork | yah you see I didn't come prepared |
| 15:22.36 | AckisWork | no internet |
| 15:22.39 | cogwheel | YOU WERE NOT PREPARED!!! |
| 15:22.41 | AckisWork | I shouted out peoples names at time |
| 15:23.10 | AckisWork | I was in line shouting out COGWHEEL I NEEEEEDDDDD YOU |
| 15:23.16 | AckisWork | and people looked at me funny |
| 15:23.20 | AckisWork | and I just said "eh?" |
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| 15:24.27 | Funkeh` | Seerah, sometimes I wish you were single, I wouldn't mind my gf puncing on me when I got home |
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| 15:24.55 | AckisWork | s/gf/bf/ |
| 15:25.11 | Seerah | ~lart AckisWork |
| 15:25.11 | purl | declares AckisWork a moron |
| 15:25.17 | AckisWork | lmao |
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| 15:31.06 | p3lim | any admins online with access to the addons core settings? |
| 15:31.13 | p3lim | admins active* |
| 15:31.35 | p3lim | id like to move one of my addons to a different category |
| 15:32.00 | Wikwocket | You could PM a mod if one is not active here. |
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| 15:34.58 | matt1s | Is there an addon that helps make more sense of all the different ratings, like block, parry, defense, hit, crit etc? |
| 15:35.25 | Wikwocket | RatingBuster |
| 15:35.34 | Wikwocket | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5819-RatingBuster.html |
| 15:35.46 | Wikwocket | One of the Best Mods Ever (TM) :) |
| 15:36.20 | matt1s | looks like exactly what I'm looking for |
| 15:36.23 | matt1s | thanks a billion |
| 15:36.46 | Wikwocket | Any time |
| 15:36.52 | Seerah | p3lim: if you want our attention in here, then ping us/write our name :P |
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| 15:37.32 | AckisWork | while (1) ping(seerah) end |
| 15:37.33 | AckisWork | :D |
| 15:37.57 | Shirik | meanie |
| 15:38.03 | Seerah | otherwise we don't know you need us - we don't keep the window up in front of our noses 24-7 :) |
| 15:38.12 | Seerah | there were too many Shiriks :P |
| 15:38.29 | Shirik | I have a laptop and a desktop :P |
| 15:38.46 | Shirik | my desktop never departs IRC except when it dies |
| 15:39.39 | Seerah | There were 3 shiriks though when you tried to join |
| 15:39.52 | Shirik | one was a ghost :P |
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| 15:41.14 | Shirik | lua> 20 - 7 |
| 15:41.15 | lua_bot | Shirik: 13 |
| 15:41.33 | Kaso | yay for luabot and simple maths! |
| 15:41.46 | Shirik | I couldn't remember what last monday was :(I |
| 15:42.43 | Kaso | i wish my standalone lua worked the same as luabot, i continually find myself typing in commands and getting errors :< |
| 15:43.21 | Shirik | = 20 - 7? |
| 15:43.28 | Seerah | Shirik, you really should try doing teh simple maths in your head :) |
| 15:43.40 | Shirik | My head is reserved for calculus and filter design |
| 15:43.41 | Kaso | woah woah woah... |
| 15:43.46 | Shirik | arithmetic is for a calculator |
| 15:43.47 | Kaso | since when has that been in lua |
| 15:43.50 | Shirik | uh |
| 15:43.57 | Seerah | ? |
| 15:43.58 | Shirik | as long as I've used it >< |
| 15:44.15 | Shirik | in fact, Kaso, that's how lua_bot does it |
| 15:44.17 | Shirik | iirc |
| 15:44.24 | AckisWork | lua> 1 + 1 |
| 15:44.24 | Shirik | maybe not |
| 15:44.24 | lua_bot | AckisWork: 2 |
| 15:44.34 | AckisWork | wow |
| 15:44.39 | Shirik | one of the bots did it that way though |
| 15:44.46 | Seerah | lua>3 + 5 - 2 * 4 |
| 15:44.47 | lua_bot | Seerah: 0 |
| 15:44.57 | Seerah | ?? |
| 15:45.01 | Kaso | is that in the lua manual anywhere? i sware ive never seen that before |
| 15:45.05 | Seerah | duh |
| 15:45.07 | Seerah | mdas |
| 15:45.08 | AckisWork | Seerah: that's the correct response |
| 15:45.08 | cogwheel | it's not part of the language |
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| 15:45.14 | cogwheel | it's part of the interpreter |
| 15:45.15 | Shirik | it's part of the interpreter |
| 15:45.17 | Kaso | oh i see |
| 15:45.28 | AckisWork | it's part of the interpreter |
| 15:45.30 | Kaso | Where would interpreter commands line that be documented? |
| 15:45.35 | Kaso | it's part of the interpreter |
| 15:45.41 | Kaso | (i just wanted to join in the fun) |
| 15:45.46 | AckisWork | (same) |
| 15:45.58 | Seerah | (I wanted a more intricate example) |
| 15:45.59 | Seerah | :P |
| 15:46.17 | cogwheel | read the source imo :P |
| 15:46.32 | AckisWork | Seerah: operator precedence |
| 15:46.49 | Shirik | to test operator precedence I always do 1+2*3 |
| 15:46.56 | Seerah | I know - hence my saying "duh mdas" :) |
| 15:46.59 | Shirik | good calculator test |
| 15:47.04 | Shirik | what's mdas? |
| 15:47.09 | Seerah | my dear aunt sally |
| 15:47.13 | AckisWork | weapons of mass destruction? |
| 15:47.22 | Kaso | lol cogwheel, the best kind of documentation |
| 15:47.29 | Seerah | multiplication, division, addition, then subtraction |
| 15:47.48 | Shirik | I do not consider subtraction and division their own operations :P |
| 15:47.51 | Shirik | But I'm strange |
| 15:48.11 | AckisWork | ~agree shirik |
| 15:48.12 | purl | ACTION forces shirik to agree with ackiswork. "Its no matter, ackiswork is always right shirik" |
| 15:48.19 | AckisWork | bah |
| 15:48.22 | AckisWork | not what I wanted |
| 15:48.25 | Shirik | who wrote that |
| 15:48.28 | Seerah | you could just say that division = x * (1/y) and subtraction = x + (-y) |
| 15:48.32 | Shirik | It's! |
| 15:48.34 | Shirik | Not its |
| 15:48.34 | Shirik | omg |
| 15:48.37 | Shirik | stab stab stab |
| 15:49.04 | Shirik | and missing a comma |
| 15:49.10 | Shirik | I should delete it >< |
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| 15:50.30 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik-dear. |
| 15:51.26 | Seerah | comma possesses Shirik? |
| 15:51.40 | [Liq] | omfg guys look at this guy applying to my guild http://armory.artoman.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=159 (checkout the last question in the application) wtf? |
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| 15:53.29 | zenzelezz | hai peppy |
| 15:54.03 | kneeki | [Liq] lol wow |
| 15:54.07 | cogwheel | Hellopeppeppy |
| 15:54.40 | Kraps | [Liq]: wow |
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| 15:54.52 | Wikwocket | IMO if your guild application asks if applicants will share any pics of any hot sisters they may have, you deserve whatever you get :P |
| 15:55.00 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, zenzelezz and cogwheel and AckisWork. :P |
| 15:55.13 | Lopeppeppy | No poking the Peppy while she's destroying the hopes of sheeple far and wide. :) |
| 15:55.15 | Shirik | [Liq]: In the future please mark that as NSFW |
| 15:55.18 | Shirik | But wow. |
| 15:55.26 | [Liq] | :D |
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| 15:56.47 | Lopeppeppy | Oh sweet jeebus, second both the hilarious and mark it NSFW! |
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| 15:57.15 | Kraps | anyone know standalone equivs of cosmos' clock and armor durability addons? |
| 15:57.34 | Lopeppeppy | There are tons of standalones for both of those. *is confused* |
| 15:57.41 | Wikwocket | DurabilityStatus works well for durability view and autorepair at vendor |
| 15:58.20 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: i wouldnt know where to look |
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| 15:58.40 | Wikwocket | What clock features are you looking for? |
| 15:58.44 | |Jelly| | ~hug Peppy |
| 15:58.44 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Peppy and suddenly hugs Peppy tightly |
| 15:58.46 | Lopeppeppy | www.wowinterface.com, www.curse-gaming.com. Both have search features, as well as "recently updated" areas to check out, categories, etc. |
| 15:58.59 | Lopeppeppy | I like CML, not sure if that one was updated yet, but I love it. |
| 15:59.15 | |Jelly| | Umm. You want it? |
| 16:00.01 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* I've used Jelly UI forever, darlin'. I miss you in this patch. But I'm trying to learn eepanels this time around, since I have the new laptop with a weird screensize. |
| 16:00.26 | |Jelly| | What's the size? (Curious) |
| 16:00.42 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have the baby with me, let me see if the website says.... |
| 16:01.32 | Kraps | Wikwocket: it had leveling info (amount/percent/time to level) |
| 16:01.57 | Wikwocket | Ah |
| 16:01.59 | Lopeppeppy | No, it's not on the website anymore. Um.... 1280x800? That's a random guess. |
| 16:02.10 | Wikwocket | Afraid I don't know of a mod that does that but there are many that do, no doubt |
| 16:02.28 | Shirik | grrrrrrrrrr |
| 16:02.44 | Shirik | Why I hate naming conventions where people don't actually know what the names mean: |
| 16:02.51 | Shirik | Vcc = Voltage Common-Collector |
| 16:02.55 | Shirik | That makes sense |
| 16:03.23 | Shirik | Later we needed "Drain voltage" "Sink voltage" "Emitter voltage" so people just go "Oh, the letters are doubled! Vdd, Vss, Vee" |
| 16:03.32 | Shirik | Despite the fact that the second d, s, e means nothing -_- |
| 16:03.56 | Wikwocket | Standards are great Shirik, it's why we have so many of them |
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| 16:04.47 | Fisker- | btw Shirik :( |
| 16:04.53 | Shirik | how's blizzcon? |
| 16:04.54 | Fisker- | We are better healers than priests >:3 |
| 16:04.58 | Shirik | f no |
| 16:05.01 | Shirik | your priests are just bad |
| 16:05.01 | Fisker- | fuck yes |
| 16:05.17 | Fisker- | Some priest was mad that "i didn't have to fight for loot" |
| 16:05.22 | Fisker- | because i'm the only holy paladin left |
| 16:05.34 | Cide | but you do have to fight for loot |
| 16:05.36 | Fisker- | Told him that i'm not sorry that our class is amongst the worst healers in the game |
| 16:05.42 | Cide | you have to fight with all the priests, druids, shamans |
| 16:05.49 | Cide | for all the cloth, leather and mail |
| 16:05.51 | Fisker- | Then he said that paladins can beat priests easily |
| 16:05.53 | Fisker- | and told me to l2p >:3 |
| 16:05.54 | Shirik | I have to admit |
| 16:06.03 | Shirik | I have met very very few good healing priests, I'm sorry |
| 16:06.04 | Fisker- | But then again |
| 16:06.13 | Shirik | I'd estimate approximately 90% of them play like a paladin |
| 16:06.17 | Fisker- | He also says that some guild killed Brutallus before they killed Illidan |
| 16:06.19 | Shirik | and that really depresses me |
| 16:06.27 | Fisker- | Pre-nerf of course |
| 16:06.48 | Kraps | ryan seacrest just made a huge error |
| 16:06.57 | Shirik | It really pisses me off when I see a priest spamming flash heal like crazy |
| 16:06.58 | Fisker- | how can you get past Kalecgos and kill Brutallus without beating illidan? :3 |
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| 16:07.31 | Kraps | or it was the stations fault |
| 16:07.48 | Kraps | Shirik: why? |
| 16:08.03 | Shirik | because it's bad. |
| 16:08.04 | Shirik | Very bad. |
| 16:08.05 | Kraps | a heal is a heal |
| 16:08.08 | Shirik | No |
| 16:08.27 | Shirik | I guess it's ok for a druid to be spamming healing touch then? |
| 16:08.34 | Kraps | idk |
| 16:08.39 | Wikwocket | Flash heal is a lot less bad with t the glyph for it, but it's still not best |
| 16:08.44 | Kraps | what class do you play? |
| 16:08.47 | Shirik | A priest |
| 16:09.03 | Wikwocket | Regen is still up so much from 2.4 that you can get away with flash spam though, IMO |
| 16:09.10 | Shirik | The regen is not really the problem |
| 16:09.24 | Shirik | flash heal doesn't work correctly with all the talents that you would pick out |
| 16:09.25 | Kraps | well, as a tank, any heal is a good heal, just dont run out |
| 16:09.45 | Shirik | Let me put it this way, I ran a raid with another guild the other day |
| 16:09.53 | Wikwocket | Well flash heal is also less HPS than Gheal |
| 16:10.00 | ZorbaTHut | see, the "don't run out" thing is why flash heal is bad ;) |
| 16:10.05 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps: as a healer, that's not correct. I'm with Shirik. Flash has a place, but learn to be efficient, not just spam one button like a monkey on acid. |
| 16:10.10 | Shirik | Two of the other healers were priests that spammed flash heal |
| 16:10.22 | Lopeppeppy | And yes, holy paladins suck arse this patch, I'm hoping for improvements. |
| 16:10.23 | Shirik | Now normally I'm not one to watch healing meters |
| 16:10.38 | |Jelly| | I hear that Shirik leiks mudkipz ... and mudkipz leiks flash heal spam so by my undeniable logic, Shirik leiks flash heal spam. |
| 16:10.42 | Shirik | but you know there's something wrong when I get 7.5 million healing done at the end of the raid, and the next person is 3 million |
| 16:10.47 | Shirik | And that wasn't even a priest |
| 16:10.52 | Shirik | the priests were lower |
| 16:11.16 | ZorbaTHut | as I understand it, flash heal is your "oh shit the tank is about to die, maybe if I drop a flash heal on him he'll be able to survive until I get him with a *useful* heal" button |
| 16:11.33 | Wikwocket | That's one of it's great uses |
| 16:11.34 | Shirik | Before patch, I averaged about 2 flash heals per 3 hour raid |
| 16:11.39 | Shirik | total |
| 16:11.44 | Kraps | 18% of base mana, not sure what that means |
| 16:11.52 | Shirik | Now I get a lot more solely because of surge of light, but that's free and instant, so it makes sense to use it |
| 16:12.07 | Wikwocket | See, I agree it is less efficient, but I have never quite agreed with the "never cast flash heal" train of thought |
| 16:12.20 | |Jelly| | ^^ |
| 16:12.20 | Wikwocket | It is a tool in our toolbox, all tools have uses |
| 16:12.27 | Kraps | <-- not good at math |
| 16:12.28 | Shirik | I can see uses for it |
| 16:12.29 | Lopeppeppy | Never say never. Just say "use your tools wisely" |
| 16:12.43 | Shirik | I never said never, however I personally don't use it |
| 16:12.50 | Shirik | Spamming it, however, is completely wrong |
| 16:12.54 | AckisWork | wow you used 2 flash heals in a 3 hour raid? That's 2 too many |
| 16:12.59 | Wikwocket | I just knew a few priests who ONLY cast greater heal, and some renews. And guess what, sometimes their tanks would get bursted and die. |
| 16:13.03 | Shirik | AckisWork:Generally they were accidents |
| 16:13.07 | AckisWork | lol |
| 16:13.23 | Shirik | Since right click = flash heal and ctrl+right click = dispel |
| 16:13.34 | AckisWork | I use flash a lot for trash healing |
| 16:13.54 | AckisWork | well used... I don't raid anymore |
| 16:13.55 | Shirik | Wikwocket: I'm not a tank healer :) |
| 16:14.22 | |Jelly| | Yeah. He's holy, not disc! |
| 16:14.24 | |Jelly| | ..or something |
| 16:14.29 | Shirik | but besides |
| 16:14.34 | Shirik | if the tank gets bursted and dies, there's still a problem |
| 16:14.41 | Kraps | Shirik: tank healers are the best kind! :p |
| 16:14.51 | Shirik | greater heal is only one second more. There's no reason you can't precast it |
| 16:15.29 | AckisWork | my healing break down was 60-70% renew, 20-30% CoH, 15-30% GHeal |
| 16:15.36 | Shirik | If the tank gets bursted that fast and nobody was healing him, you question why nobody was healing him |
| 16:15.50 | Shirik | or why he took 20k damage in 1 second |
| 16:16.21 | Lopeppeppy | Where were the rolling hots, what mitigation got done, was it just an unlucky stack or can something be done.... etc. |
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| 16:16.47 | Gnarfoz | I heal better specced ret than Shirik :p |
| 16:16.54 | Shirik | ya go die |
| 16:17.28 | Funkeh` | wowi is le dieing |
| 16:17.40 | Shirik | again? |
| 16:17.41 | AckisWork | how far raid progressed are you shirik? |
| 16:17.55 | Funkeh` | again? been fine since patch day really |
| 16:17.56 | Shirik | 1.9/6 Sunwell |
| 16:18.16 | AckisWork | ahh |
| 16:18.26 | Kraps | ive have a shadow priest in a group heal AND dps at the same time. she died every pull |
| 16:18.29 | Gnarfoz | that's invalid, you either are at 0.5/6 SWP or at >2/6 :p |
| 16:18.30 | Wikwocket | I do like the new Surge of Light. It makes Flash even more of a good emergency tool, without the cost. |
| 16:18.47 | Shirik | It should be 2/6, Gnarfoz :( |
| 16:18.57 | AckisWork | 2 = brut? |
| 16:19.00 | Gnarfoz | yes |
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| 16:19.05 | Shirik | We decided to take a break early last night and just do him tonight |
| 16:19.10 | foxlit | Lack of a debug stack for pcall is annoying me :( |
| 16:19.10 | AckisWork | been a while since I raided :P |
| 16:19.16 | AckisWork | I quit after I killed KJ muhahahah |
| 16:19.23 | Lopeppeppy | I quit my raid guild and I've never been so happy in my life. |
| 16:19.30 | Shirik | foxlit: I'm having the same problem actually |
| 16:19.33 | AckisWork | lies peppy! lies!!!!! |
| 16:19.36 | Shirik | some guys over in #lua recommended me to xpcall |
| 16:19.41 | Shirik | and using debugstack as the error handler |
| 16:19.44 | foxlit | Yeah, but that has it's own problems |
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| 16:20.01 | foxlit | while you can do pcall(f, ...), you can't do xpcall(f, handler, ...) |
| 16:20.03 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: pff don't make it sound like you're better than anyone else :P actually, you just fucked over the other guys in your guild :P (obviously lead by a 15-year old imbecile, from what you've told :P) |
| 16:20.21 | Shirik | I think that's slated for a future release, though, foxlit :) |
| 16:20.38 | foxlit | it's non-breaking, gief minor point! |
| 16:20.52 | AckisWork | Gnarfoz: but I *am* better than everyone else muhahaha :P they couldn't kill him without me, so what does that say? :P |
| 16:20.58 | foxlit | Of course, it's probably all beside the point; who knows when WoW last updated its lua environment |
| 16:21.16 | Shirik | truth |
| 16:21.16 | Sangi | Hey guys, I got a mod that appears to have been abandoned for 3.0, I have fixed one of the problems with it to get it basically functional, what is the ettiquette about posting the fixes to the addonsites? |
| 16:21.16 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: RNG is a bitch, probably ;p |
| 16:21.28 | Kraps | this patch keeps fooling me into thinking i'm nearly invincible |
| 16:21.31 | Shirik | Sangi: Get permission from the author |
| 16:21.32 | Gnarfoz | Sangi: validate "appears to", I guess |
| 16:21.35 | Shirik | Or at least attempt to |
| 16:21.43 | AckisWork | Gnarfoz: was skill =/ I was the corner stone of the KJ kills since I'm that pro :P but I'm enjoying not raiding but also miss it too :( |
| 16:21.46 | Sangi | ok, so dig out his email and try and contact him? |
| 16:21.54 | Shirik | yup |
| 16:22.11 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: back then, you said you wanted to app somewhere else some weeks later, but it seems you never got around to it ;) |
| 16:22.23 | AckisWork | real life became too much |
| 16:22.26 | Sangi | ok thanks, I dont want to step on toes but its a DKP type mod and Im sure other folks are going crazy with it broken too |
| 16:22.27 | Shirik | You might consider uploading with "Fan Update" for now and clearly state that you are trying to contact the author |
| 16:22.49 | Shirik | on WoWI you can upload a patch, as well |
| 16:23.03 | foxlit | Out of interest, what mod? |
| 16:23.09 | Sangi | Hmm that is an idea, I still have one thing to resolve but it doesnt stop its functionality. |
| 16:23.09 | foxlit | Shirik: only if the original author enabled that |
| 16:23.14 | Sangi | Ni karma |
| 16:23.42 | Shirik | foxlit: in the case of something like this, I'd override it until the author shows up :) |
| 16:23.49 | AckisWork | Gnarfoz: I'm starting to look for a guild now... well not really... I just want to join someone good for wrath so I can get the feats :P |
| 16:23.56 | Shirik | so long as the license is permitting |
| 16:23.57 | Shirik | of course |
| 16:24.00 | foxlit | abuse of power, you! |
| 16:24.15 | Sangi | from what I can tell it was originally written for a specific guild and they shared it, but updates and fixes have been few and far between |
| 16:26.44 | Shirik | Ok seriously, who at Microsoft is responsible for this "oh let's double space whenever they push enter" |
| 16:26.51 | Shirik | in Office 2007 |
| 16:27.03 | Shirik | It makes imports from Excel look like shit |
| 16:27.07 | Wikwocket | GMail does that too and it drives me nuts |
| 16:27.17 | Gnarfoz | that can be trimmed down to "who at Microsoft is responsible" |
| 16:27.19 | Gnarfoz | ;P |
| 16:27.52 | Funkeh` | Shirik, so are you guys doing maintenance? |
| 16:27.55 | foxlit | Change style and be happy? |
| 16:28.21 | Shirik | foxlit: Defaults should be relatively sane |
| 16:28.47 | Shirik | Funkeh`: Flooded; unfortunately I'm not quite sure why |
| 16:28.49 | foxlit | Depending on document and text type |
| 16:29.01 | foxlit | Then again, I haven't used Office in ages |
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| 16:29.40 | Kraps | auctioneer doesnt show AH prices at mouse hover |
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| 16:29.48 | mikma | ya |
| 16:29.59 | Kraps | why? |
| 16:30.55 | mikma | no idea, someone said about it, didn't believe it, then i tested it yesterday and noticed the same |
| 16:31.11 | Kraps | it sucks |
| 16:31.53 | Kraps | and many addons have so many options its like reading a refrigerator manual |
| 16:33.01 | Kraps | wiat i might have found it |
| 16:33.39 | foxlit | you'd rather differentiate between a refrigerator manual worth of different addons with incomplete feature sets? :) |
| 16:34.51 | Kraps | no, i like options, but theres a limit to everything |
| 16:35.44 | Wikwocket | Auctioneer and 'options': http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/8b97/ |
| 16:36.21 | Kraps | doh! |
| 16:36.25 | Shirik | Except, unlike that knife, you don't need to run with every option and the kitchen sink |
| 16:36.34 | Shirik | in fact you shouldn't |
| 16:36.38 | Kraps | yeah |
| 16:36.49 | Shirik | and yes it does, Kraps |
| 16:36.57 | Shirik | you just need to set it up, it's not by default |
| 16:37.11 | Shirik | Go into appraiser options, there should be a checkbox to add market value to tooltip |
| 16:37.28 | Shirik | ( mikma ^ ) |
| 16:37.41 | mikma | Shirik: doesn't work |
| 16:37.49 | Shirik | uh |
| 16:37.50 | Kraps | but its not limited to Auctioneer: prat, atlasloot/maps.. |
| 16:37.51 | Shirik | it better work |
| 16:38.00 | Shirik | ok |
| 16:38.02 | Shirik | well thanks |
| 16:38.09 | Shirik | is there a jira already open for this? |
| 16:38.15 | mikma | lets see |
| 16:38.18 | mikma | i'll retest |
| 16:38.27 | Kraps | mikmas right |
| 16:38.27 | mikma | how's the ah data loaded again? |
| 16:38.38 | Sangi | pitbull has the worst option screen, it's well over a dozen areas with sub areas |
| 16:38.44 | mikma | i found another option for the scan tooltip |
| 16:39.09 | mikma | Message: WTF\Account\MIKMA\SavedVariables\Auc-ScanData.lua line 76: lexical element too long |
| 16:39.09 | Kraps | no hes not! |
| 16:39.12 | mikma | wuut? |
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| 16:39.36 | mikma | yeah now i got it to work, it was the another option in auctioneer -config |
| 16:39.42 | Kraps | well, i got Simple prices |
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| 16:39.51 | mikma | Shirik: what's this error? |
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| 16:40.19 | Shirik | hm? |
| 16:40.27 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 16:40.36 | Shirik | that doesn't sound good :P |
| 16:40.56 | Shirik | Have you logged out since that error occurred? |
| 16:41.00 | Shirik | If you haven't, don't |
| 16:41.15 | mikma | Shirik: haven't |
| 16:41.36 | Shirik | ok, can you go to that Auc-ScanData.lua file and upload it to up.norganna.org please? |
| 16:41.52 | Shirik | or pastey I guess |
| 16:41.53 | Kraps | furies deck 1790g buyout |
| 16:41.57 | mikma | it has .. 11 lines |
| 16:42.04 | Shirik | ... what happened to line 76 >.> |
| 16:42.21 | mikma | err, was it /rl then |
| 16:42.25 | Shirik | ah :( |
| 16:42.40 | mikma | wait a moment |
| 16:42.44 | mikma | i'll test the .bak |
| 16:44.01 | mikma | well that didn't error |
| 16:44.30 | Shirik | It may have something to do with the new links |
| 16:44.30 | Kraps | look at those fist weaps! |
| 16:44.32 | Pheredhel | hm is there still so much load on the servers of wowi oder is this something that happens all the time? |
| 16:44.34 | Shirik | I'll keep an eye out for it, thanks |
| 16:45.51 | mikma | Shirik: not sure does it have anything to do with the fact that i removed my addons/cache/wtf (moved them to TEST folder, ran default wow, then i backed up the addons and WTF from the TEST folder, but not the Cache) |
| 16:46.18 | Kraps | 32g for 2 lvl 68 fist weaps is good? |
| 16:47.14 | Kraps | they look do awesome |
| 16:47.20 | Kraps | *so |
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| 16:48.13 | mikma | Shirik: btw, why is the ah-scanning slower in 5.1 auctioneer? |
| 16:48.32 | Shirik | coming from? |
| 16:48.41 | Shirik | 5.0? How old? |
| 16:48.54 | mikma | 5.0 was faster compared to 5.1 |
| 16:49.05 | Shirik | How old of a 5.0? |
| 16:49.15 | Shirik | there were many ) |
| 16:49.16 | Shirik | :) |
| 16:49.28 | Shirik | It may be my fault |
| 16:49.37 | mikma | the one right before release of 3.0, took the AuctioneerClassic and used that |
| 16:49.48 | mikma | it was the *last* version of classic |
| 16:49.53 | Shirik | http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-227 |
| 16:50.03 | Shirik | The calculations performed are far more intensive now |
| 16:50.10 | Shirik | a price to pay for being much more accurate |
| 16:50.31 | Shirik | you can adjust the permitted error in calculation to speed up the process if you want |
| 16:50.33 | mikma | that makes the page-scanning slower or the end-calculation? |
| 16:50.35 | Shirik | it's in configuration options |
| 16:50.46 | Shirik | both, though you probably won't notice the end calculations |
| 16:50.53 | Wikwocket | Are you guys Auctioneer devs as well? |
| 16:51.03 | Shirik | However, page scanning is slower because it needs the prices to be able to filter data |
| 16:51.10 | Shirik | there are a few in here, Wikwocket |
| 16:51.33 | Quaunaut | Sigh. I'm at the part in trying to make a mod that always makes me think, "Well, if Blizzard's own tutorial doesn't work, what hope do I have?" -.- |
| 16:51.34 | mikma | Shirik: okidoki. was just wondering because it takes a while longer now scanning the ah |
| 16:51.56 | mikma | Shirik: PSSSST! small tip, Make AH-frame movable with Auctioneer ;) |
| 16:52.02 | Shirik | There's also another issue: Blizzard is throttling the get-all scan, iirc |
| 16:52.20 | Shirik | oh no wait |
| 16:52.27 | Shirik | it's that they're throttling name resolution |
| 16:52.28 | mikma | right, but wasn't that like "1 scan in 30min" |
| 16:52.28 | Wikwocket | Cool, I'm still getting used to the idea of being in an IRC channel with the best minds in WoW AddOns |
| 16:52.34 | Shirik | which unfortunately the getall scan relies on |
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| 16:52.52 | Shirik | unless you log out |
| 16:53.01 | Shirik | why, what are you using? |
| 16:53.07 | Shirik | the page by page scan? |
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| 16:53.13 | mikma | the play button |
| 16:53.18 | mikma | ain't that the scan? :) |
| 16:53.24 | UltraNurd | anyone know how WoWmatrix picks mods by name? |
| 16:53.26 | Shirik | I used /adv getall |
| 16:53.32 | mikma | let's see what that does |
| 16:53.33 | UltraNurd | some of my guildmates are getting my mod overwritten by another one |
| 16:53.34 | Shirik | UltraNurd: By evil |
| 16:53.54 | UltraNurd | and presumably other users too, but they know how to complain to me ;) |
| 16:54.10 | mikma | Shirik: i don't have /adv :D |
| 16:54.11 | Shirik | You will find very little support for WoWMatrix here, UltraNurd. It is a bad tool. |
| 16:54.12 | Lothaer | anyone here savy with LDB? |
| 16:54.25 | UltraNurd | I've been trying to sell everyone on the curse client |
| 16:54.26 | Seerah | wowmatrix is the devil! |
| 16:54.35 | mikma | EVIL DEVIL! |
| 16:54.36 | Quaunaut | It is? |
| 16:54.37 | Lothaer | icky |
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| 16:54.43 | UltraNurd | but they mostly miss WoWAceUpdater |
| 16:54.44 | Shirik | yes, it is |
| 16:54.45 | Wikwocket | I hear there's an awesome new WoWI updater in the pipe ;) |
| 16:54.52 | Shirik | shh |
| 16:54.53 | mikma | it is, they take mods and host them without permission of author |
| 16:54.58 | UltraNurd | anyway, that's neither here nor there |
| 16:55.00 | Quaunaut | Huh. |
| 16:55.04 | Quaunaut | That is pretty bad. |
| 16:55.18 | Shirik | mikma, they actually don't even host them |
| 16:55.21 | Gnarfoz | they don't host anything |
| 16:55.22 | UltraNurd | my mods are GPLed, so no biggie for me... but I still have the general name problem |
| 16:55.23 | Quaunaut | Though, I have trouble because the Curse Updater takes the attitude "I'll update your mods when I effin' feel like it." |
| 16:55.26 | Seerah | they don't "host" them, they link directly/hotlink to the sites that host them |
| 16:55.28 | Shirik | they just leech bandwidth from all the other sites |
| 16:55.32 | Gnarfoz | they just leech other hoster's bandwidth :p |
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| 16:55.35 | mikma | haha |
| 16:55.38 | mikma | that's even worse |
| 16:55.44 | Quaunaut | Yeah, it is. |
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| 16:55.53 | Gnarfoz | worse, but sadly not illegal in the US |
| 16:55.54 | Shirik | I would not be surprised if that is part of the cause of the problems you are seeing on wowi today |
| 16:56.08 | Wikwocket | At least they now list mod authors' names, originally they de facto took credit for writing all the mods |
| 16:56.14 | Shirik | (sorry about that, btw) |
| 16:56.14 | UltraNurd | so there was an old mod called Identity. I made a better version, but like a nub, just called it Identity 2... but somehow the on-disk folder is still Identity |
| 16:56.15 | mikma | just add wowmatrix in blocklist :I |
| 16:56.18 | Quaunaut | If the Curse Updater would have a simple 'update' button instead of all that automatic bullcrap, I wouldn't have even bothered getting WM. I guess there really is no good alternative to WAU out there. |
| 16:56.19 | Seerah | it's not? Gnarfoz? There's a link in the thread on wowace, iirc, that has a court case which went against hotlinking |
| 16:56.28 | UltraNurd | also made the mistake of giving it an overly generic name |
| 16:56.42 | Seerah | mikma: it's not that easy |
| 16:56.48 | Gnarfoz | UltraNurd: it *is* not a wowace updater, hence the name |
| 16:56.53 | UltraNurd | so I guess I'm wondering what my best rename option is, in general |
| 16:56.53 | Lothaer | anyone know how to make LDB plugins use the show icon function? |
| 16:56.54 | Shirik | but yes, Wikwocket, there is one in the works; we'll see how well that goes in the near future |
| 16:56.56 | mikma | Seerah: umm, why is that? |
| 16:57.13 | mikma | Seerah: vi /etc/hosts.deny ;) |
| 16:57.21 | Seerah | because the IP used by the wowmatrix client is the IP of the user using wowmatrix |
| 16:57.33 | mikma | god damn :I |
| 16:57.35 | UltraNurd | Gnarfoz: right, but most folks I know found WAU really easy to configure and use, so they miss it, and are trying to find replacements |
| 16:57.45 | Seerah | we had thought of that already ;) |
| 16:57.46 | mikma | they don't leave *any* markings about being there? |
| 16:57.47 | Gnarfoz | mikma: erm? so you don't want the wowmatrix dev's who probably don't *work* "at" wowmatrix be able to access the page but the 500k users are fine? :p |
| 16:57.54 | Gnarfoz | UltraNurd: well, lazy bums :P |
| 16:57.55 | Shirik | Trust me mikma, we've been working on this for a while :) |
| 16:58.05 | Shirik | Every time we block them with something they patch it to get around it |
| 16:58.13 | mikma | Shirik: lies. anyway, /adv, don't have it :D |
| 16:58.20 | Shirik | yeah, why? |
| 16:58.23 | Seerah | they even resorted to scraping our simple list around patch day |
| 16:58.23 | Shirik | maybe it's /aadv ? |
| 16:58.32 | UltraNurd | Gnarfoz: well, as far as UI is concerned, I wouldn't mind doing s/WoWAce/Curse/ on the old WAU client ;) |
| 16:58.34 | Gnarfoz | Seerah: not certain. court decisions are not laws, either. only thing I know is that it's a clearer thing in most EU legislations =) |
| 16:58.38 | Seerah | and for Curse, they resorted to manually finding and updating the links |
| 16:58.54 | mikma | Shirik: "Scanning..." :) |
| 16:59.02 | UltraNurd | anyway. updater isn't my real problem, it just reveals my naming problem... any idea on a "best practice"? |
| 16:59.08 | UltraNurd | if I change my mod's name, how hard is it to find? |
| 16:59.22 | UltraNurd | or can I just tweak the .pkgmeta so the on-disk folder is different |
| 16:59.26 | Wikwocket | You should be able to rename your own copy of the mod to whatever you like |
| 16:59.45 | Wikwocket | Rename the folder, update the TOC file and you're good, right? |
| 17:00.23 | UltraNurd | Wikwocket: I'm using curseforge, so I'm not yet 100% sure on how it names the folder. but in the past, my project name didn't match my folder name |
| 17:00.23 | mikma | Shirik: damn, scanned 12287 auctions over 1mins 25 sec before interruption: |
| 17:00.30 | Shirik | better? :) |
| 17:00.40 | mikma | much :D |
| 17:00.47 | UltraNurd | so I know I'm doing *something* wrong |
| 17:00.48 | mikma | btw i didn't interrupt it heh |
| 17:00.54 | Shirik | yeah it just says that |
| 17:00.54 | Fisker- | atleast i heal for over 9000 Shirik |
| 17:01.01 | Kraps | "WoWInterface is currently under extreme load with the 3.0 patch." |
| 17:01.08 | Kraps | thats nice |
| 17:01.11 | mikma | Shirik: omagad a bugs |
| 17:01.13 | Shirik | Kraps: We know, working on it |
| 17:01.25 | Kraps | np |
| 17:01.27 | Seerah | Kraps: reload |
| 17:01.29 | Shirik | sorry |
| 17:01.48 | Quaunaut | So, someone tell me: Is it /script that allows me to use lua commands ingame? |
| 17:01.49 | Lothaer | anyone know how to make LDB plugins use the show icon function? |
| 17:02.18 | Wikwocket | UltraNurd: ah, ok, I create my zips manually and upload to curseforge and elsewhere. |
| 17:02.31 | UltraNurd | Wikwocket: it's a fun excuse to learn git :) |
| 17:02.34 | Wikwocket | Quaunaut: yes, use /script FunctionNameEtCetera(arguments); |
| 17:02.43 | Quaunaut | ... |
| 17:02.43 | Gnarfoz | Quaunaut: /run also works |
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| 17:03.03 | Quaunaut | *types in /script FunctionNameEtCetera(); in case Blizzard is funny like that* |
| 17:03.32 | mikma | Shirik: i have no idea why, adv tooltip says "no matches in image." all the time, even after opening AH. am i doing something wrong? |
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| 17:03.59 | Shirik | I've.... never seen that before |
| 17:04.01 | Quaunaut | Also: Can error messages( really, the message(); command) not be activated from OnLoad? |
| 17:04.10 | mikma | Shirik: am i good or what? |
| 17:04.16 | Shirik | Unfortunately that's not a really good question for me because that's not something I work on |
| 17:04.20 | Shirik | maybe Esamynn has better idea? |
| 17:04.20 | Duman | hmm |
| 17:05.16 | mikma | Shirik: i'll try cleaning the sv |
| 17:05.32 | NeoTron | Lothaer: what do you mean? |
| 17:06.13 | Lothaer | well LDB plugins can access the Show Icon option to well... show/hide their icons |
| 17:06.44 | Lothaer | im working on a LDB plugin and its almost done i just cant figure out how to add that feature |
| 17:06.49 | NeoTron | LDB plugins don't have a "show icon" feature inheritedly |
| 17:07.00 | NeoTron | they don't typically control the display |
| 17:07.22 | Kraps | Tekkub's Emporium of Random Crap |
| 17:07.25 | Lothaer | all the ones i have do the option is just greyed out |
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| 17:07.28 | Kraps | wooo! |
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| 17:07.44 | NeoTron | Lothaer: which display addon? |
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| 17:08.25 | Lothaer | Titan |
| 17:08.34 | NeoTron | then I'd say that'a a question for the titan folks |
| 17:08.41 | NeoTron | since that is the addon that controls that |
| 17:08.55 | Lothaer | meh probaly ill ass Tristanian or Joe or Brian when they get on |
| 17:09.03 | Lothaer | ask* |
| 17:09.09 | Shirik | mikma: With regards to that "lexical element too long" have you had any recent crashes, etc? |
| 17:09.20 | Shirik | That's caused by corruption of scan data |
| 17:09.22 | linear` | is there a difference between /script and /run |
| 17:09.25 | Shirik | no |
| 17:09.30 | mikma | Shirik: nope, nothing happened except the cache-reset |
| 17:09.44 | Kraps | Urban Achiever is a replacement Achievement frame. |
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| 17:09.49 | Kraps | that was quick |
| 17:10.04 | mikma | Kraps: link please |
| 17:10.12 | Kraps | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10867-UrbanAchiever.html#info |
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| 17:10.43 | Kraps | looks nice too |
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| 17:11.15 | Wikwocket | I wonder if there's any lightweight multi-achievement tracker mod |
| 17:15.10 | Kraps | wut? |
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| 17:15.29 | Shirik | ignore him :) |
| 17:15.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Does removing an event from a secured frame introduce taint? |
| 17:16.03 | alestane | To what? |
| 17:16.10 | Kraps | the important thing is: guy or girl? |
| 17:16.16 | ScytheBlade1 | The secure frame |
| 17:16.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ie, FocusFrame:UnregisterAllEvents() |
| 17:16.29 | alestane | It'll taint the OnEvent script reference. |
| 17:16.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 17:16.41 | alestane | Oh, that won't taint anything AFAIK. |
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| 17:16.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I was thinking |
| 17:16.59 | ScytheBlade1 | But wasn't sure |
| 17:17.27 | mikma | Shirik: this ain't funny anymore. /aadv getall kicks me out of the game |
| 17:17.35 | Shirik | uh |
| 17:17.37 | Shirik | what? |
| 17:18.10 | mikma | i login, go to ah, open it, /aadv getall, wait ~20sec and game boots me out "you have been disconnected." |
| 17:18.18 | Shirik | does it lock up? |
| 17:18.21 | Shirik | or just disconnect you? |
| 17:18.25 | mikma | just disconnects |
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| 17:18.49 | Shirik | odd |
| 17:18.58 | Shirik | Sounds like the server is kicking you off due to bandwidth |
| 17:19.03 | Shirik | but I don't think it should do that |
| 17:19.22 | Kraps | ratingsbuster wins (but you already knew that) |
| 17:19.34 | mikma | now i got a horrible lag ingame, screen is choppy but didn't kick me out :D |
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| 17:19.43 | Shirik | it's processing? |
| 17:19.50 | mikma | ay |
| 17:19.57 | Shirik | I told you that calculation is intense :) |
| 17:20.07 | mikma | yeah but the booting was intense too ;) |
| 17:20.10 | Shirik | You can adjust the error value if you want a better framerate |
| 17:20.22 | Shirik | yeah sorry my stats formula did not cause you to DC >< |
| 17:20.26 | Shirik | I blame someone else |
| 17:20.30 | Antiarc | Kirkburn: :( |
| 17:20.31 | mikma | hihi |
| 17:20.40 | mikma | good now it scanned, 21808 new items |
| 17:20.51 | mikma | "No matches in image." |
| 17:21.12 | UltraNurd | unrelated question: anyone know of a mod that might be responsible for causing my client to crash every time I /chatwho? |
| 17:21.20 | Kirkburn | Antiarc, use tekticles :P I want to let other people update the wowace version of CF, but I dunno how |
| 17:21.26 | UltraNurd | it's not on any known bugs pages that I saw |
| 17:21.30 | Shirik | UltraNurd: In theory, mods should never be able to crash the client |
| 17:21.43 | UltraNurd | it may be a bug with the client, for all I know |
| 17:21.45 | kneeki | I can make a mod that will crash the client... |
| 17:21.52 | Shirik | I didn't say you couldn't |
| 17:21.55 | Shirik | just that you shouldn't be able to |
| 17:21.59 | kneeki | good ole endless loops =) |
| 17:22.07 | Shirik | That's not a crash |
| 17:22.11 | Shirik | mikma: And you're sure that it was on the AH? |
| 17:22.18 | UltraNurd | kneeki: it's simple, we just solve the Halting Problem and never loop accidentally :D |
| 17:22.25 | kneeki | lol |
| 17:22.34 | Shirik | UltraNurd: Is it locking up or crashing? |
| 17:22.37 | Shirik | Two very different things |
| 17:22.38 | mikma | Shirik: what? |
| 17:22.41 | Shirik | locking up is not a crash |
| 17:22.46 | UltraNurd | shirik: crashing. I get the error reporter and everything |
| 17:22.58 | Shirik | mikma: The "No matches in image." is that an item that was actually on the AH |
| 17:22.58 | Shirik | ? |
| 17:22.59 | UltraNurd | and it doesn't if I have all mods off |
| 17:23.04 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: sidenote: is the bug where getall data would not go into the AH snapshot fixed? |
| 17:23.06 | Shirik | what's the error, btw? |
| 17:23.12 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: It should be |
| 17:24.03 | UltraNurd | is the curse packager running right now? |
| 17:24.48 | Gnarfoz | running every minute, afaik |
| 17:24.55 | mikma | Shirik: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_102008_202334.jpg |
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| 17:25.54 | Shirik | mikma: Can you type "/aadv about" tell me what it says? |
| 17:26.38 | mikma | Shirik: Auctioneer Advanced rev.3598 loaded |
| 17:26.57 | Shirik | ok current release is 3662 |
| 17:27.01 | Shirik | think you could grab that? |
| 17:27.13 | UltraNurd | Gnarfoz: I added a .pkgmeta file, but it doesn't seem to be packaging an alpha from my git push |
| 17:27.13 | mikma | of course |
| 17:27.25 | Gnarfoz | UltraNurd: no clue about git. |
| 17:27.28 | UltraNurd | I need to make sure that it's actually zipping the folder right, to fix this |
| 17:27.36 | Gnarfoz | UltraNurd: try someone like Ackis who uses git ;p |
| 17:27.52 | UltraNurd | Gnarfoz: the git part doesn't matter, I don't think; the packager should set up an alpha zip after a commit, no? |
| 17:29.07 | UltraNurd | maybe if I trivially change another file, that will trick it |
| 17:29.14 | RockSlice | mikma: also, if you join #norganna, that's Auctioneer's main support channel |
| 17:29.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Only if the git post-commit hook is installed and functioning properly |
| 17:29.44 | UltraNurd | ScytheBlade1: it was working for my other mod on... Saturday |
| 17:30.03 | mikma | RockSlice: trust me, you *dont* want me there whining about stuff :I |
| 17:30.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Assuming the curse stuff works how I'd expect it to (polling sucks), either |
| 17:30.17 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) You broke your .pkgmeta file, or 2) Curse's stuff be broke, yo |
| 17:30.28 | mikma | they know me by the name "addon-breaker" |
| 17:30.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is most likely the post-commit hook |
| 17:31.29 | Gnarfoz | UltraNurd: well, you're assuming every 'commit', whatever that means in git terminology triggers a zip. maybe that's a wrong assumption. check www.wowace.com -> knowledge base -> repo faq |
| 17:32.17 | UltraNurd | Gnarfoz: yeah, I had read that before. just basing it on how quickly the packager responded before. |
| 17:32.36 | Gnarfoz | afaik, it's on a 1min timer ^^ |
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| 17:33.02 | UltraNurd | Gnarfoz: yup, which is why I think I broke something D: |
| 17:33.18 | ScytheBlade1 | .. it's seriously a timed operation? o_0 |
| 17:33.19 | mikma | Shirik: now i can see tooltips, with the latest rev |
| 17:33.25 | Shirik | good good |
| 17:33.25 | mikma | and, what the hell |
| 17:33.34 | Shirik | I would advise scanning again |
| 17:33.37 | mikma | need to show something |
| 17:34.02 | Kraps | how does Examiner get its info? |
| 17:34.33 | Lunessa | Oh, Station. |
| 17:34.38 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_102008_203333.jpg |
| 17:34.43 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: what info. |
| 17:34.47 | mikma | that the hell! |
| 17:35.48 | mikma | Shirik: kicked out ;) |
| 17:35.58 | mikma | the fast scan is.. evil |
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| 17:36.48 | Kraps | Gnarfoz: When you inspect someone, it will show a stat summery of all their equipped gear combined. |
| 17:37.07 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: well, it sums it up, the data is already there ;) |
| 17:38.00 | Gnarfoz | it does it itself, no libs involved, if that's what you were asking |
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| 17:38.38 | Shirik | mikma: Unfortunately that sounds like a server issue more than it sounds like an auctioneer issue |
| 17:38.47 | Dashkal | Ok, faith in GMs falling fast |
| 17:38.54 | Dashkal | I have a quest I can't get and they say it's a UI thing |
| 17:38.56 | Gnarfoz | you had faith in GMs to begin with? |
| 17:39.07 | Dashkal | I can't complete hallows end cause I can't get the save the village quest |
| 17:39.12 | Kraps | whats funny is that 95% of addons are cool but unnecessary |
| 17:39.15 | Dashkal | file a ticket and three days later I get an email saying it's my UI |
| 17:39.22 | mikma | Shirik: might be that my computer is too slow too |
| 17:39.28 | Shirik | I don't have a good suggestion for that unfortunately mikma :( |
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| 17:39.45 | UltraNurd | Kraps: depends on what you consider necessary. Could I organize my own bags? Sure. Would I waste 1 minute out of every 10 reorganizing if I didn't have Baggins because I'm OCD? YES. |
| 17:40.19 | Kraps | mmm |
| 17:40.40 | zenzelezz | mohawks look so wrong on gnomes... it's like half their height |
| 17:40.48 | UltraNurd | Kraps: also, I never installed SolarianAlarm even though our raid leader required it <.< |
| 17:40.55 | UltraNurd | 'cause I can tell when I'm exploding :P |
| 17:41.04 | Kraps | lol, laterz |
| 17:41.09 | Shirik | oh, this is win |
| 17:41.15 | Shirik | I broke my filesystem I think |
| 17:41.21 | Shirik | C:\Users\mpdelbuono\Documents\Code\Auctioneer>ls | grep Auc-Match-Undercut |
| 17:41.22 | Shirik | Auc-Match-Undercut |
| 17:41.22 | Shirik | C:\Users\mpdelbuono\Documents\Code\Auctioneer>ls -l | grep Auc-Match-Undercut |
| 17:41.22 | Shirik | ls: Auc-Match-Undercut: No such file or directory |
| 17:41.30 | UltraNurd | zenzelezz: I saw a gnome with the sargeras blindfold and one blade of azzinoth with a mohawk. I did not question it. |
| 17:42.39 | mikma | Shirik: did you like this: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_102008_203333.jpg |
| 17:42.39 | Shirik | Oh wow |
| 17:42.39 | Shirik | I don't think this is supposed to happen |
| 17:42.40 | Shirik | C:\Users\mpdelbuono\Documents\Code\Auctioneer>ls -l |
| 17:42.41 | Shirik | ls: Auc-Match-Undercut: No such file or directory |
| 17:42.43 | Shirik | ... |
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| 17:44.04 | Mundyz | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_102008_203333.jpg <-- whats the bag mod in that shot? |
| 17:44.22 | Gnarfoz | Tuller's new thing |
| 17:44.24 | Gnarfoz | Combuctor? |
| 17:44.27 | Gnarfoz | I think ^^ |
| 17:44.29 | Mundyz | it looks ownage |
| 17:44.45 | mikma | Combuctor yes |
| 17:44.51 | Gnarfoz | looks like ass, it's also what's keeping me from using it. the functionality owns, though. ;) |
| 17:45.01 | Mundyz | i reckon it looks good |
| 17:45.05 | Gnarfoz | needs moar streamlined, non-blizz looks :D |
| 17:45.07 | Mundyz | is it finished? or still in beta? |
| 17:45.13 | Mundyz | i like the blizz look |
| 17:45.22 | Gnarfoz | well, to each his own ^^ |
| 17:45.31 | NightHawkTheSane | this is amusing: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/ |
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| 17:48.01 | mikma | Malgayne: is that nick like Maxpayne but with lg fanboism? :D |
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| 17:48.22 | Malgayne | heh |
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| 17:48.26 | Malgayne | It's actually totally arbitrary |
| 17:48.47 | Malgayne | My first char was an undead warlock, and i pulled this name out of thin air because it sounded scholarly and evil |
| 17:49.08 | mikma | well now your name has a meaning. Max Payne, LG fanboi! |
| 17:49.10 | UltraNurd | there's Mal'ganis in WC3/Wrath, too |
| 17:49.17 | UltraNurd | which has similar prosody |
| 17:49.37 | Malgayne | Yeah, I remembered that afterwards and regretted the decision |
| 17:49.40 | Malgayne | but by then it was too late |
| 17:49.52 | Mundyz | so for someone just starting to learn how to make UI mods, what would be a good start project |
| 17:49.53 | mikma | now you can fix it! |
| 17:49.56 | mikma | costs 8e lol |
| 17:49.59 | Mundyz | or better yet, what was your first project when you started making mods |
| 17:50.00 | UltraNurd | heh. I picked my username in 8th grade. sometimes I regret it ;) |
| 17:50.15 | Malgayne | Too late now. Everyone I know calls me Mal at this point. :P |
| 17:50.37 | UltraNurd | Mundyz: I rewrote a non-UI (text only) mod that did something I didn't like/was missing some features |
| 17:50.44 | UltraNurd | to learn Lua and some of the API |
| 17:50.56 | Mundyz | what did it do |
| 17:51.26 | UltraNurd | modify your outgoing chat messages to contain some info, like an alt name or location string |
| 17:51.40 | mikma | Cairenn / Seerah|away / Shirik : when will the svn-stuff be created as zip if i use the option in my svn-options? |
| 17:51.45 | UltraNurd | so a pretty trivial mod. |
| 17:51.54 | Shirik | ask cladhaire, I gotta run |
| 17:51.55 | Shirik | sorry |
| 17:51.57 | UltraNurd | no libraries or dependencies, but a good way to learn |
| 17:51.59 | mikma | bye! |
| 17:52.02 | mikma | cladhaire: same question |
| 17:52.05 | Lunessa | This... owns: http://xkcd.com/491/ |
| 17:52.12 | cladhaire | Mike-N-Go: what do you mean? |
| 17:52.13 | cladhaire | err |
| 17:52.18 | cladhaire | mikma: what do you mean |
| 17:52.24 | UltraNurd | heh, I saw that Lunessa on my GReader this morning. |
| 17:52.24 | cladhaire | ask your question, but use different words :p |
| 17:52.26 | Mike-N-Go | cladhaire: WHAT DO I MEAN ABOUT WHAT? |
| 17:52.31 | Mike-N-Go | Opps, sorry, caps. |
| 17:52.33 | cladhaire | Mike-N-Go: was clearly a mistype.. thanks :p |
| 17:52.58 | mikma | cladhaire: i used the "generate zip" in 3M's svn (wowi). does it get generated at the same moment or later? |
| 17:53.06 | cladhaire | it gets generated then |
| 17:53.10 | cladhaire | and you have to download it and approve it |
| 17:53.13 | cladhaire | it gives you a full log of the zsip |
| 17:53.16 | cladhaire | and checkout. |
| 17:53.27 | mikma | so it can't be just whacked in wowi without downloading? |
| 17:53.33 | cladhaire | it can |
| 17:53.37 | cladhaire | but if you do that i'l tab you |
| 17:53.43 | cladhaire | its your responsibility to make sure shit looks right |
| 17:53.45 | mikma | tab all you want baby |
| 17:53.46 | cladhaire | that its in the right directory |
| 17:53.47 | cladhaire | unzips |
| 17:54.25 | cladhaire | just follow the directions |
| 17:54.29 | cladhaire | it takes two seconds :P |
| 17:54.36 | cladhaire | for example |
| 17:54.38 | cladhaire | is your addon in /trunk |
| 17:54.42 | cladhaire | or /trunk/3M |
| 17:54.50 | mikma | it's in /trunk |
| 17:55.13 | Mundyz | is the api expected to change much when wotlk comes out? |
| 17:55.14 | cladhaire | then it won't zip properly |
| 17:55.19 | cladhaire | Mundyz: no, it already changed |
| 17:55.19 | mikma | oh.. |
| 17:55.21 | Mundyz | or is 3.0.2 the only real change |
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| 17:55.24 | Mundyz | yeah thats what i thought |
| 17:55.32 | mikma | cladhaire: thanks, i gotta change it then |
| 17:55.33 | cladhaire | mikma: you can use the wowi:dirname svn property to set what directory /trunk shoudl be zipped as |
| 17:55.34 | cladhaire | i.e. |
| 17:55.39 | cladhaire | svn propset wowi:dirname 3M |
| 17:55.42 | cladhaire | then you can leave it in trunk |
| 17:56.05 | mikma | which one is better? setting it as /trunk/3M or propset? |
| 17:56.29 | cladhaire | i use the propset for most |
| 17:56.32 | cladhaire | makes it easier to tag and do shit with |
| 17:56.58 | mikma | then don't wonder if i ask later "how was that propset thing again" |
| 17:58.38 | cladhaire | there is a FAQ for it |
| 17:58.39 | cladhaire | imo |
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| 18:00.33 | linear` | man |
| 18:00.38 | linear` | SPELL_AURA_REFRESH is like broken |
| 18:00.43 | linear` | doesnt work half the time |
| 18:01.43 | linear` | doesnt seem to work |
| 18:01.44 | linear` | while in combat |
| 18:02.21 | linear` | k it does nvm |
| 18:02.29 | UltraNurd | didn't they change the auras api a fair bit? |
| 18:02.46 | linear` | its just broken with earthshield, if you refresh it while it has max charges it'll trigger SPELL_AURA_REFRESH, but if it has < max charges it wont trigger it |
| 18:03.01 | Mundyz | can someone help me with a script in kgpanels? i've made a frame behind the minimap, that gives it a border etc |
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| 18:03.07 | Mundyz | and i've made a text string show below it |
| 18:03.22 | Mundyz | that *should* update on WORLD_MAP_UPDATE |
| 18:03.37 | Mundyz | but nothing happens on login until i open up the script menu |
| 18:03.39 | Mike-N-Go | Mundyz: What is your issue? |
| 18:03.40 | Mundyz | and click "accept" |
| 18:03.49 | Mundyz | and then after that, its constantly triggering |
| 18:04.01 | Mundyz | i'll paste my code now, sec |
| 18:05.39 | Mundyz | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98956 |
| 18:06.57 | Mundyz | have i done anything wrong? |
| 18:07.18 | Neuro_Medivh | probably... everyone is guilty of SOMEthing |
| 18:07.24 | Mundyz | oh |
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| 18:07.33 | Mundyz | as far as my kgpanels script goes thoug... |
| 18:07.50 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: Your birth certificate is proof of guilt. |
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| 18:11.05 | Mundyz | anyone? |
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| 18:11.20 | UltraNurd | nothing jumped out at me Mundyz |
| 18:11.24 | UltraNurd | but I haven't used kgpanels |
| 18:11.34 | Mundyz | anyone know if theres a bug? |
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| 18:13.17 | Lothaer | does anyone know of any ShadowFiend duration mods? |
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| 18:16.17 | Mike-N-Go | Mundyz: What is it you are trying to acomplish? |
| 18:16.26 | Mike-N-Go | accomplish* |
| 18:16.34 | Mundyz | just the text updating to show the current zone and subzone im in |
| 18:16.44 | foxlit | wowinsider comment: "Careful now--maybe it's the Twilight Bracelet at work.." |
| 18:16.46 | Shirik | rawr |
| 18:16.50 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 18:17.02 | Mike-N-Go | And what seems to not be working? I did not get in on the beginning of the conversation. |
| 18:17.09 | Mundyz | when i log in, the text is blank, and doesnt start updating until i open kgpanels and like, reapply the script |
| 18:17.11 | Mundyz | and when i do that |
| 18:17.14 | Mundyz | it constantly updates |
| 18:17.19 | Mundyz | instead of just when that even is ttriggered |
| 18:17.30 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?zone=796 |
| 18:17.34 | Industrial | Requires level 20 |
| 18:17.38 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: reading wowinsider = certainty of brain damage |
| 18:17.41 | Industrial | is this for ALL of scarlet monastery? |
| 18:17.47 | Industrial | im about to run there so... |
| 18:17.52 | Industrial | dont want just GY |
| 18:18.12 | Gnarfoz | it is technically one zone, so I guess it's for all of it |
| 18:18.13 | Mike-N-Go | Mundyz: You want it to update when you log in? |
| 18:18.17 | Lopeppeppy | It looks like all the wings, yes. |
| 18:18.29 | foxlit | Gah, so here was I think that things would be relatively simple to transition to 3.0 |
| 18:18.36 | Lopeppeppy | Never is, foxlit |
| 18:18.37 | Mundyz | no, i just want it to start getting triggered without me reapplying the script, if you know what i mean |
| 18:18.47 | Mundyz | then, i want it to constantly get triggered |
| 18:18.49 | foxlit | Just when I realize major chunk of that addon was written as superficial secureheader stuff |
| 18:18.52 | Mundyz | to NOT* |
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| 18:18.54 | Mundyz | sorry |
| 18:18.57 | Mundyz | NOT constantly get triggered |
| 18:19.35 | Mike-N-Go | Reapplying the script? |
| 18:19.43 | Mundyz | yeah, i have to open kgpanels config |
| 18:19.48 | Mundyz | go to where the script is defined |
| 18:19.55 | Mundyz | and just hit "accept" (which saves the script normally) |
| 18:19.58 | Mundyz | before i starts triggering |
| 18:20.03 | Mundyz | but then it just constantly gets triggering |
| 18:20.07 | Mike-N-Go | Read http://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/events/WORLD_MAP_UPDATE to see what triggers the event. |
| 18:20.28 | Mundyz | like, i added a line to output the string to the chat frame |
| 18:20.35 | Mundyz | and the lines just constantly get added |
| 18:21.13 | Mundyz | surely WORLD_MAP_UPDATE wouldn't be constantly getting triggered? |
| 18:21.48 | Mike-N-Go | Well, what does it update on? |
| 18:21.57 | Mundyz | map open, close and zone change |
| 18:22.06 | Shirik | Ackis: Strangely enough I'm not getting the ready check sound at all |
| 18:22.11 | Shirik | any idea about that? |
| 18:22.32 | Mike-N-Go | If you want it to do what I think you want, initialize on load, run the stuff on PLAYER_LOGIN, I think is what you. Is that what you want? |
| 18:23.25 | Mundyz | no |
| 18:23.31 | nevcairiel | Shirik: no one is :P |
| 18:23.41 | Shirik | orly? |
| 18:23.45 | Mike-N-Go | Mundyz: What was it you wanted? |
| 18:24.05 | Mundyz | the problem is that the event doesnt trigger (or at least that script doesn't fire) until I click "accept" in the panel config, which effectively saves any changes |
| 18:24.09 | Shirik | Because Ackis just uploaded a mod that supposedly enables it "even if sound is disabled" so I was wondering if that was to fix the fact that there's no sound, or if there was sound it would just be so that muted sound doesn't impact that |
| 18:24.21 | Mundyz | then once i've done that, the event is constantly being triggered, instead of just when it is supposed to |
| 18:24.49 | Mike-N-Go | What is the name of the addon or project you are working on? |
| 18:25.05 | Mundyz | nothing, this is a built in feature of kgpanels |
| 18:25.12 | Mundyz | you can add scripts to panels you create |
| 18:25.19 | Mundyz | based on certain events |
| 18:25.34 | Mike-N-Go | And what is the main problem? |
| 18:25.49 | Mundyz | what i just said |
| 18:25.52 | Mundyz | the problem is that the event doesnt trigger (or at least that script doesn't fire) until I click "accept" in the panel config, which effectively saves any changes |
| 18:25.54 | Mundyz | then once i've done that, the event is constantly being triggered, instead of just when it is supposed to |
| 18:26.37 | Mundyz | kagaro is the "project manager" from curse i guess i'll try and get in touch with him |
| 18:27.10 | Mike-N-Go | kgpanels is an ace product. Have you tried asking your question in #wowace? |
| 18:27.10 | Gnarfoz | he's here, btw. |
| 18:27.16 | Mundyz | yeah i saw |
| 18:27.16 | Gnarfoz | "ace product" ahahaha |
| 18:27.20 | Mundyz | obviously AFK though |
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| 18:28.03 | Mundyz | or not |
| 18:29.21 | Mundyz | talking to him in pm, thanks anyway for the help Mike-N-Go |
| 18:29.32 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: user-made addons don't obey the "mute game sound" option in the wow options, that is why AltTabber makes sense. ;) |
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| 18:29.41 | Shirik | oh really? |
| 18:29.59 | Gnarfoz | yarly |
| 18:30.00 | Mike-N-Go | Mundyz: I am sorry I could not help you, do not know the environment you were working in. |
| 18:30.29 | Mundyz | yeah thats fine |
| 18:30.37 | Mundyz | you tried, thats the main thing =) |
| 18:40.52 | foxlit | Hm, question |
| 18:41.04 | foxlit | did the functions required to parse the old state strings get preserved somewhere? |
| 18:41.14 | foxlit | GetStateAttribute? |
| 18:41.40 | foxlit | (stuff that'd extract value out of "0-9:42;10:41;!42:0;*:-1") |
| 18:42.45 | foxlit | http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/SecureStateHeader.lua << ever so unhelpful :( |
| 18:42.48 | Legorol | foxlit: how about archives of the UI code? |
| 18:45.05 | foxlit | hm, actually, I have an old framexml dump around here somewhere |
| 18:45.13 | foxlit | Looks unappealing :/ |
| 18:46.32 | mikma | http://temp.paasio.com/waitwat.jpg |
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| 18:49.10 | Fisker- | omg that murloc is humping that goat |
| 18:49.16 | Fisker- | i.e. spacegoat |
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| 18:49.48 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 18:52.40 | Kraps | whats Pitbull for? |
| 18:52.49 | Mundyz | unitframes |
| 18:53.00 | Mundyz | probably the best unitframes mod i've ever used/seen |
| 18:53.11 | |Jelly| | ~hug ckknight |
| 18:53.12 | purl | ACTION hugs ckknight tightly until ckknight turns slightly blue |
| 18:53.17 | Lopeppeppy | Tons of options, very flexible. |
| 18:53.22 | ckknight | hey |Jelly| |
| 18:53.26 | Kraps | e.g... |
| 18:53.42 | ckknight | down with PitBull, it's overcomplicated, has too many options |
| 18:53.44 | Lopeppeppy | e.g. we can't give you the entire story, why not go read the download page? |
| 18:53.45 | ckknight | :-P |
| 18:53.53 | |Jelly| | Ok imagine say ... the default unit frames and all the customizability they bring. |
| 18:54.05 | |Jelly| | Now imagine almost the exact opposite and you have PitBull. |
| 18:54.11 | Kraps | heh |
| 18:55.01 | ckknight | I wish I had time to work on PitBull4 |
| 18:55.08 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, slacker |
| 18:55.10 | |Jelly| | Me too. |
| 18:55.12 | |Jelly| | Jeez. |
| 18:55.21 | Mundyz | how long did pitbull take (roughly) to get a release capable version out ckknight? |
| 18:55.25 | |Jelly| | ~whalestab ckknight's obligations |
| 18:55.25 | purl | ACTION stabs ckknight's obligations with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 18:55.25 | Mundyz | it looks immensely complex |
| 18:55.32 | Mundyz | that being said i've never coded a useful addon in my life |
| 18:55.34 | ckknight | Mundyz: a month or two |
| 18:55.35 | |Jelly| | There! Problem solved! |
| 18:55.50 | ckknight | granted, once I released, there was still a lot more work |
| 18:56.04 | Mundyz | yeah |
| 18:56.06 | Mundyz | i can imagine |
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| 18:56.35 | UltraNurd | not to mention ::shudder:: users :D |
| 18:57.00 | |Jelly| | Especially users like myself who ping him while he's afk to ask SUPER STUPID questions. JEEZ! |
| 18:57.04 | |Jelly| | owait |
| 18:57.13 | kamdis | lol |
| 18:57.14 | Lopeppeppy | Oh wait |
| 18:57.20 | kamdis | PitBull is the bestest |
| 18:57.21 | kamdis | :) |
| 18:57.44 | AckisWork | he likes being pinged |
| 18:57.53 | |Jelly| | You're next. |
| 18:57.58 | AckisWork | me? |
| 18:58.05 | |Jelly| | Yes. I don't know why so don't ask. |
| 18:58.07 | Mundyz | ckknight do you have a link to your current ui |
| 18:58.09 | AckisWork | I'm anti-ping |
| 18:58.10 | |Jelly| | But one day, I will come for you. |
| 18:58.11 | AckisWork | muhahaha |
| 18:58.20 | Mundyz | im interested to see what a mod developer's ui looks like |
| 18:58.32 | ckknight | Mundyz: I don't really play WoW much anymore, I just code on curseforge/wowace |
| 18:58.33 | |Jelly| | Dev uis usually make people want to /cut, honestly |
| 18:58.42 | Mundyz | oh right |
| 18:58.55 | ckknight | I played WoW for about a month in early 2006 |
| 18:59.02 | ckknight | then realized coding was more fun |
| 18:59.02 | kamdis | hahaha |
| 18:59.12 | |Jelly| | I remember seeing Shirik's and all but wanted to smash my face against a wall. (No offense <333) |
| 18:59.14 | kamdis | well, thank <deity> for that |
| 18:59.25 | kamdis | if ckknight played wow like we addicts do, we'd be doomed to ugly UIs |
| 18:59.36 | Mundyz | haha |
| 18:59.37 | ckknight | lol |
| 18:59.39 | UltraNurd | I just enjoy seeing a standardized open source (and, in fact, often free software) community evolving |
| 18:59.42 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 18:59.43 | Lunessa | Updated my troubleshooting addons under vista post: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6757867106&sid=1#1 |
| 18:59.44 | Shirik | |Jelly| :( |
| 18:59.50 | Shirik | it's true |
| 18:59.53 | Lopeppeppy | I love you, Lunessa. |
| 18:59.53 | |Jelly| | ~hug Shirik |
| 18:59.54 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Shirik and suddenly hugs Shirik tightly |
| 18:59.54 | ckknight | now I just make tools for mod developers :-P |
| 18:59.57 | UltraNurd | well, I got my Identity identity fixed ;) |
| 19:00.07 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Ilu2. ;) |
| 19:00.13 | UltraNurd | unfortunately, users will have to rename their savedvariables file, or redo their settings, because of the rename |
| 19:00.26 | duaiwe | Lunessa: I don't see "find a new OS" there anywhere. ;) |
| 19:00.56 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Because I'm not going to tell them all to "Go buy a Mac." |
| 19:01.02 | |Jelly| | Because Lunessa would want everyone on a mac, I'm sure. Dirty, ditry hobbitses. |
| 19:01.07 | |Jelly| | ^^ |
| 19:01.09 | ckknight | I bought a computer yesterday |
| 19:01.12 | ckknight | it arrives in a few days |
| 19:01.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i never implied buy a mac. ;) |
| 19:01.23 | UltraNurd | I certainly don't play or develop on a mac :P |
| 19:01.26 | |Jelly| | Is it a mac? |
| 19:01.29 | ckknight | it's one of the new MacBook Pros |
| 19:01.30 | UltraNurd | except for the part where I do. |
| 19:01.41 | ckknight | 2.8 GHz, faster hard drive |
| 19:01.43 | UltraNurd | ckknight: I played with the new trackpad at the Apple Store yesterday. would take some getting used to |
| 19:01.49 | |Jelly| | I certainly don't own a mac and Linux hates me more than vista does. |
| 19:01.51 | Lunessa | Jelly - truth is I play on XP, Vista and Mac OSX - when I upgrade my computer next, one of those will go to Linux and I'll play there too. |
| 19:01.57 | ckknight | UltraNurd: I played with it and it felt fine, then I ordered it |
| 19:02.05 | UltraNurd | since on my old powerbook, I'm used to clicking with my thumb, and pointing with my finger |
| 19:02.14 | ckknight | UltraNurd: yea, I did that, no issues |
| 19:02.22 | ckknight | thumb at the bottom |
| 19:02.33 | kamdis | ~whalenuke |Jelly| |
| 19:02.34 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around |Jelly| with his mind powers. |
| 19:02.36 | UltraNurd | I don't really need a beefy laptop. My PBG4/400 still gets on wireless and edits files :D |
| 19:02.39 | kamdis | Mac++ |
| 19:02.50 | UltraNurd | now, if they put on a touchscreen tablet... |
| 19:02.55 | UltraNurd | *out |
| 19:02.57 | |Jelly| | ~whaleblock Kamdis |
| 19:02.57 | purl | ACTION shields Kamdis with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
| 19:03.03 | |Jelly| | wait. no |
| 19:03.05 | kamdis | I'm sorry, you can block a nuke :P |
| 19:03.11 | |Jelly| | YAIS I CAN! |
| 19:03.16 | UltraNurd | what if you turn the nuke into a sperm whale and a vase of petunias? |
| 19:03.22 | kamdis | then why is your hair falling out? |
| 19:03.24 | kamdis | :P |
| 19:03.25 | Lunessa | UltraNurd: PB Titanium FTW |
| 19:03.41 | |Jelly| | It's not! I got it cut! |
| 19:03.43 | |Jelly| | SO THERE! |
| 19:03.45 | UltraNurd | Lunessa: I'm embarassed at airport security now though. Used to be, mine was the shiny cool computer coming out :D |
| 19:04.08 | UltraNurd | back when everyone had clunky grey 13" dells |
| 19:04.20 | Lunessa | UltraNurd: /comfort I need a new one too. Mine is on it's third battery and 2nd HDD. |
| 19:04.42 | UltraNurd | Lunessa: I've only had to do one battery replace, but I basically didn't use it for almost 2 years when I wasn't in classes |
| 19:05.11 | UltraNurd | I'm impressed at how long it's lasted. it was basically on 24/7 for 4 years. |
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| 19:05.33 | UltraNurd | I also upgraded it to Leopard, which may not have been the best idea |
| 19:05.34 | Lunessa | Mine holds a charge for about 1 hour tops. And the batteries are getting expensive to replace. Same with the HDD since I have to go after-market. Might be time to get a new one, but it's not in the bufget. |
| 19:05.51 | ZorbaTHut | has anyone else found the armory to be completely and totally broken? |
| 19:05.55 | Lunessa | budget even |
| 19:05.55 | |Jelly| | knock over a liquor store |
| 19:06.06 | UltraNurd | armory is loading for me Zorba |
| 19:06.20 | |Jelly| | same |
| 19:06.21 | UltraNurd | in Chrome, no less |
| 19:06.33 | ZorbaTHut | oh, I see what they did now |
| 19:06.38 | ZorbaTHut | they flash-ized huge and weird parts of it |
| 19:06.53 | Kraps | ok, how do you move WOWs addon prefs button? |
| 19:07.04 | Kraps | not remove, move |
| 19:07.08 | mikma | http://temp.paasio.com/waitwat_fly.jpg |
| 19:08.10 | Kraps | why would they put it RIGHT ON TOP of the find button? |
| 19:08.29 | UltraNurd | is that what that little screw icon was? |
| 19:08.37 | UltraNurd | I thought it was coming from Chinchilla or something else |
| 19:08.42 | UltraNurd | but it disappeared at some point |
| 19:08.53 | |Jelly| | Anyone else find the albino drakes ... FUGLY? |
| 19:08.53 | Kraps | its wows thing |
| 19:09.07 | kneeki | |Jelly|: I'm working on getting one now... |
| 19:09.11 | UltraNurd | |Jelly|: color yes, model no |
| 19:09.12 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:09.29 | erikd | jelly: i much prefer the proto-drakes |
| 19:09.52 | |Jelly| | I don't like the drakes really at all. Any of them. I <3 mah choppa |
| 19:10.09 | UltraNurd | |Jelly|: definitely. I was almost going to dump engineering, at that saved me :D |
| 19:10.15 | UltraNurd | so much fun to fly! |
| 19:10.42 | |Jelly| | (I meant the helicopter, if you meant the motorcycle ... but those are definitely a plus too) |
| 19:10.51 | Lunessa | We still need a guild that is a motorcycle gang. "Cog's Hawgs" |
| 19:11.15 | mikma | http://temp.paasio.com/waitwat_elekk.jpg :D |
| 19:11.23 | erikd | my warlock has one of those too :) |
| 19:12.06 | Kraps | UltraNurd: it might be an ace thing |
| 19:12.13 | UltraNurd | out of curiosity, do any of you guys use GamerDNA? |
| 19:12.55 | Adys | is there a way to disable all addons without relogging (just with a reloadui)? |
| 19:13.54 | Kraps | oh crap, talk about too many options |
| 19:14.15 | mikma | Adys: get Ampere |
| 19:14.34 | Adys | no like, im raiding right now and I want to disable all my addons without having to relog |
| 19:14.54 | Adys | the blizz UI shows a warning when theres too many errors |
| 19:14.55 | mikma | well /script DisableAddOn("Name") |
| 19:15.02 | mikma | do that for every addon and then reload ui |
| 19:15.10 | Adys | kk thanks |
| 19:15.19 | mikma | let me confirm that |
| 19:15.40 | mikma | takes inDisableAddOn(index or "name") |
| 19:15.46 | mikma | whoa, takes index, DisableAddOn(index or "name") |
| 19:16.11 | mikma | so just /script for i=1,50 do DisableAddOn(i) end ..? |
| 19:16.27 | Adys | I just disabled pitbull |
| 19:16.34 | Adys | and I gained 25 fps :/ |
| 19:16.39 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: sure, that'd disable the first 50 addons |
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| 19:18.30 | Kraps | how do i widen name bars in pitbull? |
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| 19:19.28 | |Jelly| | What's a name bar? |
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| 19:19.53 | Kraps | the whole frame actually? |
| 19:20.05 | Kraps | how do i widen it? |
| 19:20.15 | |Jelly| | In the menu, Player (or whichever frame) > Other > Size |
| 19:21.11 | Kraps | thanks |
| 19:21.13 | UltraNurd | Adys: is there perhaps an add-on that will let you enable/disable other addons live? |
| 19:21.51 | Adys | Im set :) was just checking what was causing this massive fps loss |
| 19:23.50 | Gnarfoz | UltraNurd: AddonControlPanel, ACP |
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| 19:24.20 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowace.com/projects/acp/. Addon Control Panel. Game: WoW. Leader: sylvanaar. Updated: 14 hours ago. Tickets: 1/2 |
| 19:24.54 | |Jelly| | <3333333 ACP |
| 19:25.32 | Gnarfoz | also, just to cross-post, epic addon name for a brilliant addon idea: |
| 19:25.40 | Gnarfoz | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/wrong-button.aspx |
| 19:26.05 | Kraps | pitbull is too complicated |
| 19:26.10 | Kraps | sorry |
| 19:26.11 | Wikwocket | I am always in favor of AddOn names that succinctly explain what the mod does :) |
| 19:26.56 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: That is a name of awesomeness. |
| 19:26.58 | UltraNurd | so I'm pretty new to lurking here, but is #wowuidev generally more dev questions, user questions, or potpourri? |
| 19:27.14 | Gnarfoz | it's more of all of it, really |
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| 19:27.21 | Gnarfoz | (yay accurate answers) |
| 19:27.23 | UltraNurd | since I've been responsible for at least two digressions already >.> |
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| 19:28.03 | Gnarfoz | oh, don't deceive yourself, that's gonna happen to you many times over. no one is safe from it, except those who don't say anything, ever |
| 19:29.06 | Kraps | ACP is nice |
| 19:29.13 | foxlit | gah, that's pretty crappy |
| 19:29.25 | foxlit | header:SetAttribute("addchild", child) is failing |
| 19:30.01 | foxlit | (child ends up getting filtered) |
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| 19:31.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Now taking suggestions for a PvE guild name! |
| 19:31.51 | NightHawkTheSane | <PvE Guild Name> |
| 19:32.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I wish I was kidding, but I've already debated that |
| 19:32.04 | Gnarfoz | not too shabby |
| 19:32.10 | smcn | LEGION OF AWESOME DRAGON KINGS |
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| 19:32.16 | Gnarfoz | exceeds name limit |
| 19:32.26 | sacarasc | ScytheBlade1: Urochezia |
| 19:32.37 | ScytheBlade1 | sacarasc: ? |
| 19:32.46 | erikd | <We Kill Dragons> |
| 19:32.50 | smcn | but in latin |
| 19:32.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: i've always been a fan of <Non-Euclidean Geometry> and <Non-Newtonian Liquid> |
| 19:33.09 | Gnarfoz | serious guild is serious? |
| 19:33.12 | Gnarfoz | or just for fun |
| 19:33.18 | ScytheBlade1 | erikd: have a guild horde side, <WE KILL DRAGONS LULZ> |
| 19:33.31 | ScytheBlade1 | And we've already debated <Serious Business>, <Serious Guild>, etc |
| 19:33.47 | Gnarfoz | no, I meant, do you want a "good" name |
| 19:33.52 | Gnarfoz | or just random, pseudo-funny bullshit |
| 19:33.53 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 19:33.53 | erikd | <Nos Iuguolo Extraho> |
| 19:33.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Good |
| 19:34.00 | erikd | in latin :) |
| 19:34.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm shooting down all of the random bull |
| 19:34.10 | UltraNurd | <Need Before Greed> |
| 19:34.10 | foxlit | <Pseudo Funny Bullshit>? |
| 19:34.17 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:34.23 | Gnarfoz | self-referencing names are out, too, then :p |
| 19:34.38 | foxlit | <Not a Guild> |
| 19:34.42 | foxlit | <Not a Guild Tag> |
| 19:34.51 | UltraNurd | <Fruit Vendor> |
| 19:35.07 | UltraNurd | or one of the other NPC titles |
| 19:35.11 | foxlit | <Kill the one in the dress> |
| 19:35.23 | erikd | <AoE In The Middle> |
| 19:35.34 | erikd | <Kite It To Vaels Room> |
| 19:35.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ Vael's room |
| 19:35.43 | UltraNurd | <I Am The Bomb, Run> |
| 19:35.50 | kd3 | rofl |
| 19:35.51 | ScytheBlade1 | <Fire Is Bad> |
| 19:35.58 | UltraNurd | <We Stand In 'It'> |
| 19:36.04 | foxlit | no punctuation |
| 19:36.07 | UltraNurd | oh, right |
| 19:36.10 | erikd | <We Click Tears> |
| 19:36.11 | |Jelly| | <Polytetrafluoroethylene> <-- We had this one. I loved it. |
| 19:36.31 | foxlit | Does Poly really make sense there? |
| 19:36.34 | ScytheBlade1 | We Click Tears is kinda pushing it |
| 19:36.47 | UltraNurd | I don't think |Jelly| named PTFEs |
| 19:36.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Like I don't want to be generic PvE crap guild |
| 19:36.54 | foxlit | <What SHE raids> |
| 19:37.06 | |Jelly| | I didn't name the guild ... I wasn't even in it, but I did like it. |
| 19:37.06 | kd3 | <Loot the dogs> |
| 19:37.10 | UltraNurd | <Scarlet Pimpernel> |
| 19:37.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Loot the Dogs is also good |
| 19:37.26 | UltraNurd | <Literary Reference> |
| 19:37.30 | |Jelly| | Since then, they merged (disbanded) with AEquintas or whatever. Not nearly as cool imo. |
| 19:37.41 | erikd | <Dismiss To Dismount> |
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| 19:37.44 | |Jelly| | <SingleLatinWord> |
| 19:37.45 | UltraNurd | <Built Horde Tough> makes me laugh |
| 19:37.54 | Kraps | <BRD sucks> |
| 19:37.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Built Horde Tough is old and overused |
| 19:37.57 | Kraps | sorry |
| 19:37.58 | erikd | i think that'll be a big problem with the new dragon mounts in fights :) |
| 19:37.58 | Lopeppeppy | <Pretentious Team Name> |
| 19:38.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ! @ Lopeppeppy |
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| 19:38.15 | |Jelly| | <ILUPEPPY> |
| 19:38.45 | UltraNurd | scythe: oh, I know. not a real suggestion. |
| 19:38.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 19:38.56 | UltraNurd | just a guild name I like |
| 19:39.00 | foxlit | hm, while we're up to this unusually high level of excitement |
| 19:39.10 | foxlit | What could I be breaking that'd cause text not to appear on buttons? |
| 19:39.12 | |Jelly| | No foxlit, no. |
| 19:39.30 | geno-afk | your monitor :o |
| 19:39.39 | foxlit | can see the buttons, so that's not it |
| 19:40.00 | erikd | scythe: are you horde or alliance? |
| 19:40.10 | ScytheBlade1 | A |
| 19:40.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Likewise, while <Built Horde Tough> would be awesome |
| 19:40.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just overused |
| 19:41.33 | UltraNurd | <Man with a Plan> |
| 19:41.38 | erikd | you could go with what i always go with when i can't think of something |
| 19:41.42 | erikd | <Clever Guild Name> |
| 19:41.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay past that, erikd |
| 19:42.27 | erikd | hmm |
| 19:42.39 | UltraNurd | how egotistical are you feeling? <Better Than You>, <Spoils of Victory>, etc. |
| 19:42.45 | kneeki | <Two Maidens One Chalise> ? |
| 19:42.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Somewhat |
| 19:42.55 | |Jelly| | <Team Win> |
| 19:42.56 | |Jelly| | ! |
| 19:43.01 | UltraNurd | kneeki: ew. |
| 19:43.32 | UltraNurd | although in that vein, you could go for <Coito, Ergo Sum> >.> |
| 19:43.32 | ScytheBlade1 | class over |
| 19:43.35 | ScytheBlade1 | afk going home! |
| 19:43.45 | UltraNurd | except without the comma |
| 19:43.58 | UltraNurd | most people would think it a typo though |
| 19:43.59 | UltraNurd | so nevermind |
| 19:44.28 | Gnarfoz | kneeki: -s+c but otherwise, nice idea ;D |
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| 19:45.27 | matt1s | <I GOT CANDY GET IN MY VAN> |
| 19:45.31 | Lopeppeppy | <Cogwheel, Ego Sum> |
| 19:45.50 | foxlit | Something changed about <NormalFont>? |
| 19:46.02 | Wikwocket | Please just do not use a pseudo-Latin guild name |
| 19:46.10 | UltraNurd | <Invalid XML Tag> |
| 19:46.15 | |Jelly| | What about greek?! |
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| 19:46.45 | Gnarfoz | don't think that's allowed on US servers |
| 19:47.04 | |Jelly| | [14:45]<UltraNurd><Invalid XML Tag> <-- We have a winner imo. |
| 19:47.11 | Amarande | what's not allowed on US servers? |
| 19:47.17 | Redguard | <Sapped Girls Dont Say No> |
| 19:47.22 | UltraNurd | they try to keep US servers restricted to US-ASCII |
| 19:47.30 | Redguard | I like that better than the candy one |
| 19:47.31 | Syzgyn | try, and fail |
| 19:47.31 | UltraNurd | even though you can type Latin-1 characters |
| 19:47.42 | Amarande | hmm, I thought they did away with the high ASCII policy |
| 19:47.49 | Lunessa | For all you forum regulars: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11162847363&sid=1&pageNo=4#65 |
| 19:47.50 | mikma | <Is cool coder> |
| 19:48.08 | UltraNurd | Amarande: I've always been able to type it out, but my original name (Swedish, for my dwarf) was reported |
| 19:48.13 | Adys | |Jelly|: I always wanted one of the beta guilds to be <The Knights Who Say Nil> |
| 19:48.21 | Amarande | UltraNurd: Yeah, they used to have that be reportable |
| 19:48.28 | Amarande | I think they stopped doing that after they introduced paid name change, though |
| 19:48.49 | Amarande | Ever since paid name change, they seem to only require name changes for really out of line things like vulgarities or drug references |
| 19:49.08 | UltraNurd | Amarande: granted, it was harder for some people to type my name out |
| 19:49.13 | Amarande | they don't want to require it for other things, because required namechanges cut into potential revenue :) |
| 19:49.34 | Adys | ÃlträÃùrd? |
| 19:49.46 | UltraNurd | Adys: heh, no. different handle. |
| 19:49.54 | |Jelly| | [14:49]<Adys>ÃlträÃùrd? <-- names like that need to die in a fire from hell. |
| 19:50.30 | UltraNurd | mine had one umlaut! |
| 19:50.37 | UltraNurd | which is really easy to type on a mac, anywya |
| 19:50.53 | Adys | umlaut? |
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| 19:51.06 | erikd | the two dots |
| 19:51.09 | UltraNurd | diaresis, whatever you want to call it |
| 19:51.09 | Adys | ah |
| 19:51.17 | Adys | yea diaresis :p |
| 19:51.25 | Amarande | yeah, I don't see high ASCII on the Naming Policy page anymore |
| 19:51.26 | Adys | Im french, be gentle :) |
| 19:52.05 | UltraNurd | I think umlaut is more commonly used in the US, probably just because of the once-high proportion of German-Americans |
| 19:52.21 | UltraNurd | pre-WWI there were more German speakers than English speakers, briefly |
| 19:52.35 | UltraNurd | unless you're a font weenie :D |
| 19:52.41 | Amarande | though if you strictly interpret the naming policy |
| 19:52.47 | Amarande | something like 75%+ of character names are reportable lol |
| 19:53.02 | UltraNurd | Amarande: yeah. I saw a Drizzt the other day |
| 19:53.15 | UltraNurd | I don't know why they don't just do a name approval queue at character creation time |
| 19:53.17 | UltraNurd | well, I do know |
| 19:53.28 | Amarande | I'm assuming that the less extreme ones are only really enforced on RP servers though |
| 19:53.39 | UltraNurd | Amarande: I play on Kirin Tor. it's barely enforced |
| 19:53.49 | Amarande | again, in large part, because Blizzard doesn't want to give players a free name change |
| 19:53.51 | UltraNurd | a name has to be reported multiple times, by multiple people |
| 19:54.03 | sacarasc | i play on Darkmoon Faire (eu) and names aren't enforced at all, it seems |
| 19:54.18 | UltraNurd | that and it's not worth the effort to annoy a larger percentage of the population with a name change when only a small percentage cares |
| 19:54.22 | sacarasc | i should write a big list and report them all one day, but i'm lazy |
| 19:54.28 | Amarande | because name approval queues would mean people would have to wait for a GM to approve the name before they zone in to their starting area? |
| 19:54.34 | Amarande | and given the GM wait times some places ... |
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| 19:54.49 | UltraNurd | well, I think it's the sort of thing that (at least on RP servers) could be handled by community moderators |
| 19:55.04 | UltraNurd | new character created, whisper goes out to, say, 10 random users currently online |
| 19:55.09 | UltraNurd | they give thumbs up/down |
| 19:55.15 | UltraNurd | or however many would be a fair vote |
| 19:55.22 | Amarande | I'm still trying to figure out how EverQuest did it |
| 19:55.32 | Amarande | over there, it took me ages to come up with a name that was acceptable |
| 19:55.35 | UltraNurd | but even that system would be a cost with little benefit |
| 19:55.40 | Amarande | and they never even said WHY the name was rejected |
| 19:55.48 | Amarande | it just said 'rejected', not 'inappropriate' or 'unavailable' |
| 19:56.14 | Amarande | I started to wonder if maybe there's some sort of system that even auto analyzes the language morphology of the name you selected and decides if it 'fits' |
| 19:56.59 | UltraNurd | LotRO rejected my swedish name |
| 19:57.01 | UltraNurd | for looking random |
| 19:57.13 | UltraNurd | but that's because a j in swedish is a y-sound |
| 19:57.18 | foxlit | SimpleHTML:SetText("<html>....</html>") doesn't quite work? |
| 19:57.30 | mikma | UltraNurd: gaj? |
| 19:57.40 | UltraNurd | mikma: :P |
| 19:57.54 | UltraNurd | the technical term would be palatal approximant |
| 19:58.02 | mikma | foxlit: i had problems with that earlier, but i was able to get a print :D |
| 19:58.25 | Amarande | heh mikma, in one series I read 'gaj' meant 'die' in one of the languages |
| 19:58.35 | foxlit | mikma: It doesn't seem to update |
| 19:58.52 | UltraNurd | clearly, we need more Klingon names in WoW. |
| 19:58.54 | Amarande | specifically the Giak language from Joe Dever's Magnamund |
| 19:59.23 | UltraNurd | there's a guild name for scythe. <SoSQuch> |
| 19:59.48 | UltraNurd | probably not a lot of Klingon players to be insulted though <.< |
| 20:00.19 | UltraNurd | anyone know of an add-on with a good example of a pop-up menu with checklist? |
| 20:00.32 | foxlit | good example... people are so picky! |
| 20:00.33 | UltraNurd | multi-checklist, that is |
| 20:00.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: hmm, can you do </head> as a guild name? >.> |
| 20:00.42 | UltraNurd | bad examples are informative too |
| 20:00.53 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: I'd settle for </life> |
| 20:00.54 | mikma | foxlit: i'm not sure can you change the text once it set |
| 20:01.05 | foxlit | mikma: but... that's... evil! |
| 20:01.15 | foxlit | And not quite true. |
| 20:01.18 | mikma | foxlit: heh |
| 20:01.33 | foxlit | I can do a :SetText("foo") and it'll work. There's just something odd about html |
| 20:01.36 | Amarande | Night: there are enough bugs in the armory without doing something like that. :| |
| 20:01.51 | mikma | foxlit: well first of all, you need to set the font to be used |
| 20:01.55 | mikma | foxlit: moment |
| 20:01.58 | foxlit | It's visible |
| 20:02.01 | mikma | i'll get my code |
| 20:02.11 | foxlit | (are you talking about buttons or SimpleHTML?) |
| 20:02.31 | mikma | SimpleHTML |
| 20:02.33 | Amarande | hmm |
| 20:02.51 | Amarande | I'm going to assume that on a PvP server, you wear your battleground set while questing and can only use your monster-slaying set in instances? |
| 20:03.14 | mikma | Amarande: there are people who have killed the last boss of BT with pvp gear |
| 20:03.34 | mikma | bah server full, will take some time to login |
| 20:03.45 | Amarande | so for instance, on a pvp server, say taking tailoring on a mage is a waste then? |
| 20:04.09 | UltraNurd | mikma: there's just a slight DPS nerf because it's harder to get to the hit cap with PvP itemization |
| 20:04.12 | Amarande | and if I roll such, I should probably take E&I as the best profession combo? |
| 20:04.39 | foxlit | mikma: I can do a SimpleHTML:SetText(html or text) and it'll fail in code, but it'll work in a /run |
| 20:05.07 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder if. |
| 20:05.39 | *** join/#wowuidev malreth (n=triti@rrcs-97-77-179-247.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 20:05.43 | malreth | hey guys! |
| 20:05.49 | Lyn | sb, i now try to fish in ogrimmar :x |
| 20:05.53 | mikma | foxlit: http://pastey.net/98966-23ej give it a go |
| 20:06.18 | Wikwocket | Lyn: going for the achievements? |
| 20:06.31 | Lyn | some |
| 20:06.32 | Lyn | yes |
| 20:06.33 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_102008_214510.jpg |
| 20:06.35 | Lyn | mainly profession ones |
| 20:06.36 | foxlit | mikma: that's not quite the problem |
| 20:06.36 | mikma | *cough* |
| 20:06.41 | mikma | check the inventory *cough* |
| 20:06.48 | foxlit | I can get valid, correctly formatted, HTML into the SimpleHTML container. |
| 20:06.49 | UltraNurd | Lyn: the guards are now level 75 |
| 20:06.50 | Amarande | soo ... what's the best server to roll horde on these days? |
| 20:06.51 | foxlit | It'll display properly, too |
| 20:06.55 | Wikwocket | Lyn: the diplomat one is easy to get. I recommend using the West entrance to Org. |
| 20:06.59 | foxlit | But when I try to change it, the call does nothing. |
| 20:07.00 | sb | Lyn: hmmm, i can kill you then :p |
| 20:07.13 | Lyn | sb, no! defend me! xD |
| 20:07.17 | Wikwocket | I haven't tried to catch Old Crafty yet though, I am not looking for it |
| 20:07.18 | UltraNurd | Lyn: I got spotted once, even with a stealth set |
| 20:07.23 | sb | i can try |
| 20:07.25 | Lyn | xD |
| 20:07.30 | sb | mind control and stuf |
| 20:07.31 | sb | f |
| 20:07.32 | mikma | foxlit: you might want to check how cladhaire does it in LightHeaded |
| 20:07.36 | Lyn | :o |
| 20:07.42 | Lyn | first i have to get naked :x |
| 20:07.44 | foxlit | mikma: This is code that worked flawlessly in 2.4 |
| 20:07.52 | Lyn | or wait, no repcost for pvp kills? |
| 20:08.03 | Amarande | BTW ... is there going to be a new edition of the WoW Programming book for 3.0? |
| 20:08.16 | sb | Lyn: correct |
| 20:08.17 | mikma | Lyn: link i pasted *giggle* |
| 20:08.24 | malreth | so i updated 2 patchs 3.0.2 and my addon mods were gones but i read teh forums and saw how the addons folders were changed but i still has a q? |
| 20:08.45 | Lyn | mikma, the screenshot? |
| 20:08.50 | mikma | ya ;) |
| 20:08.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Mike-N-Go (n=MikeNGoS@michaelg20.goshen.edu) |
| 20:08.53 | Xuerian | mikma: That's like finding fricking waldo |
| 20:09.03 | mikma | Xuerian: ok, let me help you with that |
| 20:09.15 | Lunessa | malreth: don't make me hurts you. |
| 20:09.19 | malreth | how do i gets the naked wifes pics to show? |
| 20:09.22 | Lyn | mikma, you got 3 cards... sry i dont understand it :x |
| 20:09.24 | foxlit | So, now for the actual issue |
| 20:09.26 | Xuerian | Well, I'm guessing it's the crab you're referring to, since the subject is fishing achievements and you're alliance |
| 20:09.27 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, do not make Peppy destroy you. |
| 20:09.45 | foxlit | You can't change SimpleHTML content from within a hyperlink handler. |
| 20:09.54 | Lunessa | malreth: If you has naked wife pics you better NOT be posting them on Flicker. |
| 20:09.54 | mikma | Lyn: the inventory, but moment |
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| 20:10.09 | malreth | i moved the addons to Macintosh HD\Public\Games\World of Warcraft/Addons |
| 20:10.12 | Lyn | ah |
| 20:10.14 | Lyn | the old ironjaw |
| 20:10.17 | Lyn | mikma, |
| 20:10.18 | Lyn | and |
| 20:10.22 | malreth | but i still dont see the naked wifes pics |
| 20:10.24 | Lyn | the one from ogrimmar |
| 20:10.27 | malreth | the ones mentioned in the forums |
| 20:10.30 | Lopeppeppy | ~lart malreth |
| 20:10.30 | purl | pours gasoline all over malreth, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 20:10.38 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that one was NICE. |
| 20:10.40 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 20:10.40 | purl | :), Lopeppeppy |
| 20:10.50 | malreth | hold on |
| 20:10.52 | Lyn | ~fart mikma |
| 20:10.53 | purl | ACTION farts in mikma's general direction |
| 20:10.57 | mikma | Lyn: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_101808_203556.jpg and http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_101908_212621.jpg |
| 20:10.57 | malreth | i have to log out..i seem to be on fire |
| 20:11.03 | Lyn | yeah |
| 20:11.10 | Lyn | yeah saw them |
| 20:11.13 | mikma | the orgrimmar fish took 2 days of fishing and 2 deaths |
| 20:11.17 | Lyn | after i looked closely |
| 20:11.30 | Amarande | wait, Mikk |
| 20:11.32 | Xuerian | Oh, the fish, not the crawdad >.> |
| 20:11.32 | Amarande | er, mikma |
| 20:11.40 | Lyn | i still need crawdad |
| 20:11.41 | Amarande | where's your fubar? where's your titan panel? where's your enhanced quest log addon? |
| 20:11.43 | Lyn | :< |
| 20:11.44 | Xuerian | You're insane >.> |
| 20:11.52 | UltraNurd | hmm. I was fishing in the cavern in IF, is that the wrong place? |
| 20:11.55 | mikma | Amarande: what are those? something to eay? |
| 20:11.57 | Xuerian | Me, I'd just sit there and fear you around |
| 20:12.00 | mikma | s/eay/eat/ |
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| 20:12.15 | Lyn | ah mikma |
| 20:12.18 | Lyn | is that place in ogrimmar |
| 20:12.23 | Lyn | at the trolls? |
| 20:12.30 | mikma | Valley of Honor |
| 20:12.33 | Lyn | aw |
| 20:12.34 | Lyn | okay |
| 20:12.36 | Lyn | :< |
| 20:12.41 | Lyn | so much running :o |
| 20:12.41 | Xuerian | Where all the pvp'ers are |
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| 20:12.45 | Lyn | :< |
| 20:12.52 | mikma | and stealthing :I |
| 20:13.01 | Lyn | i have no stealth |
| 20:13.02 | mikma | the lvl?? elite bastards can see too damn far |
| 20:13.07 | Lyn | i am a ass shaking draenei |
| 20:13.14 | mikma | Lyn: mount and run + die |
| 20:13.18 | Lyn | yeah lol |
| 20:13.22 | Xuerian | Well, rattle it all the way past the guards and you'll be good |
| 20:13.27 | mikma | i got alive both ways alive with *sucky* gear i have atm |
| 20:13.32 | Amarande | Which side do you think has an easier time of getting 750/750 achievements? |
| 20:13.42 | Amarande | Carebear or cool? |
| 20:13.48 | mikma | Amarande: yes |
| 20:14.07 | Amarande | seems to be hard to tell |
| 20:14.13 | Lyn | when the guards kill me, does that count as pvp death? |
| 20:14.22 | Lyn | cause i have no money and i dont want to have red gear |
| 20:14.23 | UltraNurd | well, you'd have to be a top-3000 guild raider |
| 20:14.24 | Lyn | :P |
| 20:14.25 | mikma | Lyn: -10% dura, no pvp |
| 20:14.28 | UltraNurd | and an arena rating of over 2000 |
| 20:14.29 | Lyn | damnit |
| 20:14.35 | Xuerian | lynGo nekkid |
| 20:14.36 | Wikwocket | think Valley of Honor is better than Valley of Spirits? |
| 20:14.40 | UltraNurd | I think, to get the various PvP and PvE ones |
| 20:14.40 | Lyn | yeah |
| 20:14.41 | erikd | 2200, not 2000 |
| 20:14.44 | Xuerian | NEKKID |
| 20:14.44 | Wikwocket | spirits is easier to get to, anyway |
| 20:14.45 | mikma | Wikwocket: greatly depends |
| 20:14.49 | Amarande | Dungeon achievements favor horde, since it's easier to get to Stocks at a dead run than to get to RFC similarly |
| 20:15.08 | Amarande | Exploration achievements favor carebear, because carebears have no zones anywhere remotely as hard to get to as say Teldrassil for horde |
| 20:15.28 | Xuerian | I did teldrassil last night on my pvp server as horde |
| 20:15.31 | Xuerian | It wasn't hard 0_o |
| 20:15.34 | Xuerian | And it wasn't 3am either |
| 20:15.36 | NeoTron | I had little issue fishing in Org |
| 20:15.36 | Lopeppeppy | Amarande, that's a value judgement. |
| 20:15.43 | mikma | Lyn: just remember to take http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22823 |
| 20:15.49 | UltraNurd | amarande: what amazed me about the exploration one... I was already done with Outland, and as Alliance at some point I had done all of Barrens, Mulgore, Durotar, and others |
| 20:15.50 | Amarande | Xuerian: the point is there's noplace NEAR as inherently remote and guarded for Alliance to reach as for Horde |
| 20:15.55 | UltraNurd | I have no memory of going there for any reason |
| 20:16.05 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.30.131) |
| 20:16.08 | Amarande | er, did I say Alliance. I mean carebear. :) |
| 20:16.20 | Amarande | Alliance are carebears. The meaner ones are just Intensive Care Bears. :) |
| 20:16.22 | Xuerian | I think alliance has it a bit harder for the leaders achievement, though. |
| 20:16.28 | Lyn | mikma, dont have :< |
| 20:16.41 | erikd | i think if the alliance had their way teldrassil would be a LOT easier to get to |
| 20:16.48 | Amarande | speaking of alliance though |
| 20:16.51 | Xuerian | Amarande: Clearly you aren't on a pvp server. There are SOME carebears, but the rest of them are annoying jerks who got owned too many times and gank ashenvale at 70 >_> |
| 20:17.06 | Amarande | are they ever going to link the azuremyst/bloodmyst FPs to the main continent |
| 20:17.12 | Amarande | like they did for silvermoon for horde? |
| 20:17.15 | foxlit | mikma: try this: http://pastey.net/98968 |
| 20:18.08 | mikma | foxlit: the hyperlink won't work |
| 20:18.17 | Xuerian | Course, pve, carebears. <Is one> |
| 20:18.18 | Amarande | Xuerian: we call those 'Intensive Care Bear' :) |
| 20:18.23 | Xuerian | Hahaha |
| 20:18.30 | Xuerian | That's pretty good XD |
| 20:18.33 | NeoTron | Amarande: there's a boat! don't be so spoiled ;-) |
| 20:18.34 | foxlit | mikma: Depends on what you mean by "work" |
| 20:18.35 | Amarande | I'm presuming you saw the Simpsons episode where Homer had the bear phobia |
| 20:18.38 | foxlit | I stand by what's in the code. |
| 20:18.45 | Xuerian | Amarande: I may have, but I don't remember it |
| 20:18.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: that'd be a good guild name. |
| 20:18.52 | foxlit | The handler will get run, the print message will appear. The text of the SimpleHTML will not be changed, however. |
| 20:18.53 | mikma | foxlit: i see |h|foo|hClick here to change text|h |
| 20:18.59 | Amarande | At one point he's seeing bears all over the place and then this care bear shows up |
| 20:19.00 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: +1 |
| 20:19.05 | Amarande | and Homer's like 'hey, you're a care bear, right?' |
| 20:19.15 | foxlit | You should be seeing |Hfoo|hClick here to change text|h |
| 20:19.16 | Amarande | and the bear's "I'm INTENSIVE Care Bear" and waving a crowbar :) |
| 20:19.20 | Lunessa | Meh, 8 months at launch on Illidan was enough to cure my ever wanting to play PvP |
| 20:19.21 | Xuerian | lol |
| 20:19.40 | Amarande | So, I'm assuming the high pop pvp servers are jerkish gankfests |
| 20:19.43 | Lyn | so.. |
| 20:19.46 | Lyn | durotar! |
| 20:19.47 | Xuerian | Lunessa: Eh, world pvp is the only really fun thing anymore. |
| 20:19.47 | Amarande | how about the low pop ones like azshara and ysondre? |
| 20:20.09 | mikma | Lyn: use the backdoor when running in |
| 20:20.14 | Xuerian | They nerfed AV, WSG is always either 2hrs long or horribly imbalanced, arena is watching the same movies sover and over and over and over and over... |
| 20:20.33 | Lunessa | Xuerian: It wasn't then. Not at all. Of course, the fact that I /suck/ at PvP and was playing a Demo warlock when they /sucked/ even harder might have had something to do with it. |
| 20:20.47 | Amarande | Xuerian: at least they will completely disallow dual-spec switches in BGs |
| 20:20.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: except world pvp isn't fun.. |
| 20:20.58 | Xuerian | Lunessa: Well here's the irony. I don't like pvp, but I picked a pvp server and play a lock. |
| 20:21.09 | Amarande | From what I read, it used to be that only arenas would have a complete ban on dual spec, and in BG's it would have been allowed outside of combat |
| 20:21.13 | Lunessa | Which is my I mentioned it. :P |
| 20:21.15 | Xuerian | Amarande: I'd think they'd limit that to "in city", anyway |
| 20:21.16 | Amarande | Then someone pointed out that this would make WSG suck, badly. |
| 20:21.30 | Amarande | "Hey, we have the flag! Let's all respec to healers." |
| 20:21.36 | Xuerian | Or just disallow BGs |
| 20:21.40 | Xuerian | Like you said |
| 20:21.41 | foxlit | mikma: so are you seeing what you're seeing, or what I'm seeing? |
| 20:21.44 | Amarande | yeah, they put a ban on it in BGs now |
| 20:22.01 | Lyn | mikma, i know x) wanted to go there |
| 20:22.02 | Amarande | no dual speccing in BGs, arenas or combat ... pretty sure it's allowed anywhere else |
| 20:22.09 | mikma | foxlit: i see yellow text that does not do anything :) |
| 20:22.13 | UltraNurd | honestly, I find PvP more fun when my side is losing |
| 20:22.25 | UltraNurd | we mess up the AV rush and it gets crazy and weird and unpredictable |
| 20:22.26 | Amarande | Xuerian: the whole *point* to dual speccing was to allow people to change mid-raid, so 'in city' would defeat the purpose |
| 20:22.27 | mikma | UltraNurd: "WTF L2PLAY NOOBS!" |
| 20:22.28 | foxlit | mikma: and you run it... from? |
| 20:22.36 | mikma | foxlit: tinypad |
| 20:22.42 | Industrial | mid raid? |
| 20:22.42 | UltraNurd | or yeah, the 3-hour "hide the flag" WSG |
| 20:22.43 | Industrial | id say |
| 20:22.45 | Industrial | pvp and pve spec |
| 20:22.46 | Industrial | :P |
| 20:22.47 | Amarande | It should make Sunwell even more pathetically easymode than it already is |
| 20:22.49 | foxlit | And does that replace | with ||? |
| 20:22.52 | Lyn | so.. |
| 20:23.07 | Amarande | seeing as you can actually bring enough healers to make other bosses pathetic without getting too low on DPS for Brut :) |
| 20:23.13 | Xuerian | Amarande: Ahh... On that subject, how far are they to implimenting that? |
| 20:23.24 | foxlit | try the quick fix: text = text:gsub("|", ("|"):sub(1,1)); |
| 20:23.26 | Amarande | Xuerian: Think it comes in 3.1 |
| 20:23.31 | Xuerian | awesome |
| 20:23.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't know they gave any timetable for it |
| 20:23.34 | Amarande | we're told 'the first content patch after wotlk' |
| 20:23.45 | Wikwocket | I don't think they've said definitively |
| 20:23.54 | erikd | amarande: it won't change anything if you swap people already. it might even make it easier because you don't have to swap someone, just switch specs |
| 20:24.18 | Amarande | yeah, that's the point, now you don't have to have extra people who don't get to see particular bosses |
| 20:24.33 | NightHawkTheSane | I have to be honest, though. I'm going to be kinda sad that it'll be trivially easy to change your spec like that. |
| 20:24.42 | erikd | i'm going to lvoe it |
| 20:24.52 | erikd | screw 100g to go from pve resto to pvp resto |
| 20:24.58 | mikma | foxlit: too lazy, cba to try fixing stuff :D |
| 20:25.01 | Amarande | Night: you're only allowed to switch between two specs you've already set |
| 20:25.05 | Lyn | ha! |
| 20:25.11 | Lyn | in front of the sea |
| 20:25.13 | erikd | i might actually start doing arenas again |
| 20:25.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: well yeah, but most classes really only have a very few number of specs to begin with |
| 20:25.19 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: I like it merely for the fact that the prots will stop bitching |
| 20:25.22 | NightHawkTheSane | and most people only want to use a subset of those anyway |
| 20:25.37 | Amarande | Night: I think it benefits healer and tank classes a lot, though |
| 20:25.38 | foxlit | mimka: just re-copy paste from http://pastey.net/98968 |
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| 20:25.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: yeah, the major upside, imo, was to allow prot/healing specs a way to.. you know.. do something else. |
| 20:25.49 | Amarande | they can have their healer/tank spec for raids and a dps spec so they can, well, DO something |
| 20:25.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: exactly, thats the good part. The bad part is the (imo) mid-raid swapping |
| 20:26.00 | Amarande | especially warriors. |
| 20:26.04 | erikd | xuerian: our MT probably won't even use it, he can do more damage for farming in prot |
| 20:26.16 | Amarande | since bears and protadins are decent enough solo as it is |
| 20:26.17 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: I agree that there's some downsides, everything is becoming more and more homogenized (And yeah, mid raid swapping wanting gear and what-not) |
| 20:26.21 | Xuerian | erikd: Holy was a better example |
| 20:26.23 | Lyn | lol, sb, there are some others who trying to go to ogrimmar.. i see some other ghosts running to ogrimmar XD |
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| 20:26.32 | Xuerian | erikd: My prot warrior bitches all the time though >:O |
| 20:26.43 | Amarande | I understand prot warrior soloing is like beating things with a pillow, though |
| 20:26.46 | foxlit | Reason I'm being this persistent is that I want you to eventually copy that code as a bug report. |
| 20:26.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: its not even about gear or homoginization. I actually -liked- the forced choice of a single talent spec. |
| 20:27.06 | mikma | foxlit: right, it won't change |
| 20:27.23 | Amarande | Night: Even though it's responsible for the increased difficulty of 5-man instances in particular? |
| 20:27.29 | foxlit | But the handler will run, yes? |
| 20:27.29 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: What I meant was that blizz wants classes to be able to fit more roles, or more precisely, roles not require specific classes. It's a nice thing, but it takes away from wow too |
| 20:27.33 | mikma | aye |
| 20:27.44 | Amarande | Night: Forced choice of a single talent spec is a MAJOR reason for the fail that is 5-man right now |
| 20:27.45 | erikd | xuerian: i guess it's different for us, our current MT used to main a lock in full t6 so he'd use that for farming |
| 20:27.47 | foxlit | Which is an unannounced (?) change in 3.0 |
| 20:27.55 | erikd | but he LOVES prot now, moreso than before |
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| 20:28.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: yeah, but it added a really interesting dynamic. |
| 20:28.08 | mikma | foxlit: well cladhaire's code still works in 3.0 |
| 20:28.09 | Xuerian | erikd: Whereas I'm the lock that does the farming for my bitchy prot warrior |
| 20:28.10 | Xuerian | lol |
| 20:28.23 | Amarande | No one wants to spec tank or healer unless they have an established raid slot, are a prot paladin, or are a masochist |
| 20:28.31 | foxlit | mikma: I take it cladhaire's code does not involve changing SimpleHTML content when clicking a hyperlink in the same SimpleHTML |
| 20:28.44 | UltraNurd | amarande: I know plenty of people in our raid alliance who love healing |
| 20:28.49 | mikma | foxlit: LightHeaded ... |
| 20:28.54 | Amarande | UltraNurd: the problem is when you DON'T have a group |
| 20:29.11 | UltraNurd | amarande: ::shrug:: I got my priest to 70 as holy the whole way |
| 20:29.16 | Amarande | I mean, I CAN solo with say a holy priest, and there's the advantage that I hardly ever die if at all (especially now that pushback is a freaking joke), but I also feel like I'm beating things with a pillow. :) |
| 20:29.17 | foxlit | I'm blissfully ignorant of how that works |
| 20:29.18 | NightHawkTheSane | .. actually know some healers who quested in their healing gear, because it was faster >.> |
| 20:29.25 | nevcairiel | I'm a good healer, i know that i'll get a healing spot, and i like doing it. |
| 20:29.40 | foxlit | For all I know, clad could be using the same work around as me. It's still a work around, and it still needs to go away or be explained |
| 20:30.00 | Amarande | hmm, there a quick-reference list anywhere of servers by time zone? |
| 20:30.11 | Amarande | I get the feeling that if I want to raid, I would be best off on a Pacific time server |
| 20:30.24 | mikma | foxlit: well lightheaded creates a SimpleHTML frame that gets updated :) |
| 20:30.25 | Xuerian | Amarande: WarcraftRealms.com has one I think |
| 20:30.30 | Xuerian | Including by pop and age |
| 20:30.36 | mikma | lhframe.text = CreateFrame("SimpleHTML", "LightHeadedHTML", lhframe.scrollchild) |
| 20:30.54 | foxlit | yeah |
| 20:31.01 | foxlit | If I could direct your attention to |
| 20:31.02 | foxlit | function lhframe.text:MySetText(msg) |
| 20:31.16 | foxlit | That'd be the fix for the 3.0 idiocy |
| 20:31.48 | Wikwocket | Amarande: http://www.wowwiki.com/US_realm_list_by_datacenter lists realms and time zones |
| 20:31.56 | erikd | amarande: you'd be wrong, though. i'm a resto druid and i have been since twin emps in aq40 (holy priest on the opposite faction before that), i've had ample opportunity to change my main to whatever i'd want and have a raid spot doing it but i like healing so much that i won't change. |
| 20:32.12 | erikd | and i don't consider myself a masochist :) |
| 20:32.37 | nevcairiel | erikd: i agree, really. Been resto since wow release, and not going to change |
| 20:32.45 | nevcairiel | (I do level as feral, but thats a different deal) |
| 20:33.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i leveled a warrior 60-70 as prot, because i liked it. |
| 20:33.22 | NightHawkTheSane | it really wasn't that bad. |
| 20:33.30 | Amarande | just how annoying was the need to respec for stuff before 2.4? |
| 20:33.40 | NightHawkTheSane | now, the bad part was that it was on a pvp server. ><M |
| 20:33.42 | Amarande | I remember it used to really piss people off before dailies |
| 20:33.54 | nevcairiel | if we require respecs, we pay for it |
| 20:33.59 | nevcairiel | but we rarely do. |
| 20:34.05 | erikd | i'll be leveling feral as well, i was considering moonkin but on beta at the higher levels i had efficiency problems |
| 20:34.25 | erikd | there's a reason why i have 8 alts :) |
| 20:34.26 | mikma | foxlit: i don't understand what's the fix, but, good D: |
| 20:34.45 | foxlit | It schedules the text update as an OnUpdate handler. |
| 20:34.46 | nevcairiel | Amarande: if you need people to respec all the time, you need more people |
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| 20:34.58 | foxlit | Because someone broke updating it directly. |
| 20:35.11 | Mikk | Soooo... just checking: It is NOT possible to get info about what the cursor holds, right? Specifically, I'd need the itemLink and a count of how many are held. |
| 20:35.37 | Wikwocket | Mikk: check out http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetCursorInfo |
| 20:35.57 | Lyn | meh, |
| 20:36.06 | Lyn | typical.. a rogue and a warrior |
| 20:36.15 | Lyn | :o |
| 20:36.18 | Mikk | Wikwocket: Yoink, thanks, I completely missed that one. |
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| 20:36.26 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkw9R6dq8Rc HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA of the comment of last seconds in that video!!! |
| 20:36.36 | mikma | oh the comment* :D |
| 20:36.43 | mikma | god damn that rules so, so much |
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| 20:36.57 | Amarande | man, I wish I could afford this ... it would be super awesome in wow |
| 20:37.04 | Amarande | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824110003 |
| 20:37.54 | Amarande | well ... other than that Shattrath would probably be a slideshow at that resolution LOL |
| 20:37.54 | Xuerian | mikma: I'm not sure which comment, and I'm not sure why you're watching that... but both were funny :p |
| 20:38.05 | UltraNurd | Amarande: I have the 23" one of that series. it's nice. |
| 20:38.06 | mikma | Xuerian: the last person with her comment |
| 20:38.14 | Xuerian | Hit her in her brain? |
| 20:38.22 | mikma | Xuerian: ya :D |
| 20:38.23 | Amarande | can a Radeon 3870 even handle the max res on that at a reasonable framerate? |
| 20:38.26 | Xuerian | Amarande: Shatt wouldn't be that bad, unless you were looking at terrokar |
| 20:38.53 | UltraNurd | amarande: also, I found I was getting a huge hit from full-screen glow with my particular graphics card |
| 20:39.00 | UltraNurd | even though it's otherwise quite good |
| 20:39.04 | Amarande | what card do you use? |
| 20:39.07 | mikma | Xuerian: 1:53 -> is nice too :D |
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| 20:39.51 | Xuerian | 10KB/s downstream sucks so hard... |
| 20:40.04 | |pez| | Yeaaah |
| 20:40.25 | Xuerian | It does >:O |
| 20:40.29 | Lyn | sb, i dont like chosen legacy |
| 20:40.33 | Amarande | how important is LCD response time in WoW on modern hardware? |
| 20:41.33 | UltraNurd | Amarande: I have the X1900 that was a build-to-order option on Mac Pros about 2 years ago |
| 20:41.47 | UltraNurd | more recent cards are out, but they're only incremental upgrades at this point |
| 20:41.56 | Amarande | Ahh, I have an HD 3870, in a PC |
| 20:42.18 | UltraNurd | graphics cards on the Mac are rough... even with the switch to intel, the drivers aren't there, and Apple loves OpenGL |
| 20:42.27 | Amarande | and hardly any idea how well the apple monitors work on a PC heh |
| 20:42.41 | UltraNurd | you can probably find someone who's made a color profile for those |
| 20:42.50 | UltraNurd | it's still just a DVI |
| 20:43.02 | UltraNurd | although Apple is just now switching over to DisplayPort |
| 20:43.04 | malreth | UltraNurd: well, it's not like they can just ask really nicely for DirectX |
| 20:43.13 | UltraNurd | malreth: v. true. |
| 20:43.26 | Amarande | OpenGL was always better than DreckX, anyway |
| 20:43.43 | UltraNurd | Crossover Games does a fairly good job of tricking Half-Life 2 and LotRO into thinking they have DirectX with my card, so ::shrug:: |
| 20:44.03 | Amarande | I just can't run WoW in Linux on this machine though |
| 20:44.09 | UltraNurd | DirectX's big advantage is that Microsoft works very closely with the GPU guys to get nifty new effects in |
| 20:44.14 | Kraps | what do the different hk ranks mean? |
| 20:44.15 | Amarande | I tried that. I got a framerate literally reported by the game as ZERO |
| 20:44.15 | UltraNurd | OpenGL is an open standard, so it moves more slowly |
| 20:44.25 | UltraNurd | I'm looking forward to OpenCL, though |
| 20:44.32 | Amarande | Kraps: I think that MAY be the rank of the player you killed |
| 20:44.32 | malreth | if it moves at all. ZING! AMIRITE? |
| 20:44.35 | UltraNurd | computation in the graphics hardware, mmmmm |
| 20:44.40 | Amarande | it's a holdover from the pre-2.0 days |
| 20:44.44 | UltraNurd | the parallelism makes me all tingly :D |
| 20:44.51 | Amarande | before 2.0, you earned ranks in PvP which had titles associated with them |
| 20:44.59 | mikma | Amarande: WoW.exe -opengl ? ;) |
| 20:45.02 | Lyn | meh |
| 20:45.06 | Amarande | when 2.0 came out, you could no longer earn ranks, although you could still display your earned title |
| 20:45.12 | Lyn | mikma, now I wish I would play on a dead server lol |
| 20:45.29 | malreth | yeah... why do they even still show those honor ranks now? |
| 20:45.34 | Amarande | mikma: 0 fps is what you get when running WoW without 3D acceleration |
| 20:45.43 | mikma | Lyn: hehe :) well behind the horde magetrainers is some space where anyone can't see you, but they can hear the fishing bobber |
| 20:45.44 | Amarande | malreth: for the same reason Champions of the Naaru and Hands of A'dal can show their titles still? |
| 20:45.46 | UltraNurd | malreth: it's a Feat of Strength achievement |
| 20:45.58 | malreth | no, i understand showing the title in the person's name |
| 20:46.00 | UltraNurd | yeah, I got asked in an AV where I got Champion of the Naaru... I was like... sorry guy |
| 20:46.11 | Amarande | I tried for Champion of the Naaru but I never made it |
| 20:46.13 | Lyn | mh.. where is the mage trainer :o |
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| 20:46.17 | Amarande | you know what the REAL BLOODY KICKER is? |
| 20:46.18 | malreth | i'm talking in the floating combat text on screen |
| 20:46.19 | Lyn | i am currently behind the waterfall |
| 20:46.21 | mikma | Lyn: valley of spirits |
| 20:46.22 | malreth | why even show it anymore |
| 20:46.24 | Lyn | ah |
| 20:46.25 | Amarande | I still might as well do the damn trials of the naaru -anyway- |
| 20:46.34 | Amarande | because I need all the applicable bosses for heroic achievements :P |
| 20:46.35 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: they probably just never changed the code to remove it |
| 20:47.06 | UltraNurd | malreth: well, they must still be doing some math behind it, right? |
| 20:47.07 | malreth | i think they should fix that. |
| 20:47.19 | NightHawkTheSane | they should fix a lot of things,im sure. |
| 20:47.34 | UltraNurd | most tiny cosmetic things like that are way low on the priority list, I'm sure |
| 20:48.31 | linear` | when you create a cooldown frame |
| 20:48.40 | linear` | is it automatically setallpoint'ed to the parent frame |
| 20:48.57 | linear` | nvm |
| 20:48.59 | linear` | im using the template |
| 20:49.37 | linear` | which it is setallpointed |
| 20:49.38 | linear` | nvm! |
| 20:50.13 | UltraNurd | time for me to stop lurking and get some real work done. I'll probably be back later with UI questions. |
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| 20:50.21 | malreth | http://iowaartsandcrafts.ning.com/photo/photo/show?id=1982496%3APhoto%3A2582 |
| 20:50.45 | Amarande | so, are dead PvP servers worth rolling on? :) |
| 20:50.53 | Amarande | or dead PvE servers for that matter |
| 20:51.05 | erikd | no |
| 20:51.08 | erikd | they're dead |
| 20:51.14 | erikd | you'll never find a group |
| 20:51.14 | Amarande | by 'dead' = 'remains low-population in the long term' |
| 20:51.40 | erikd | there are people coming to my server all the time talking about how their servers are dead and they can never find groups |
| 20:52.08 | Fisker- | tits or gtfo malreth |
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| 20:54.17 | Amarande | erikd: I'm on a server that's got a reasonable population and it's STILL pulling teeth to get a decent group for anything |
| 20:54.34 | Amarande | are pretty much all WoW servers to be considered 'dead' other than the ones that are almost always High or Full pop? |
| 20:54.48 | malreth | nuh uh... |
| 20:55.03 | malreth | Silver Hand is usually High but it's usually dead. :( |
| 20:55.17 | Lyn | meh |
| 20:55.18 | erikd | i dunno what it's like on a low pop server, i've been playing on azgalor since release |
| 20:55.26 | Lyn | "hotsnakes" is one of the fugliest rogue names i ever saw |
| 20:55.48 | Amarande | Lyn: shouldn't that be a hunter name? heh |
| 20:56.00 | Lyn | no that would be hotbigarrow or something like that |
| 20:56.03 | Amarande | at least hunters actually USE snakes |
| 20:56.19 | Lyn | this rogue is going on my nerves |
| 20:56.22 | Lyn | :x |
| 20:56.37 | Amarande | Quel'dorei is medium, has a pretty active horde pop, but is pretty much dead |
| 20:56.37 | malreth | how about "hotrollsneedoneverything"? |
| 20:56.37 | Amarande | and that's despite the fact that there are four top horde guilds to alliance's ... one |
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| 20:56.37 | Lyn | i think i should do the fucking achievement with wotlk and my dk |
| 20:56.46 | Amarande | however, among these four 'top horde guilds' |
| 20:56.55 | Amarande | er, actually, three top horde guilds |
| 20:57.10 | Amarande | but well ... one of them takes trade chat trolls, and one of them quit raiding and pretty much only does PvP now |
| 20:57.50 | Fisker- | fucking hot malreth |
| 20:58.10 | erikd | http://www.wowjutsu.com/us/queldorei/ <-- that server? o.O |
| 20:58.10 | malreth | i gotta warn you... i'm really pale |
| 20:58.21 | Amarande | erikd: yeah |
| 20:58.43 | Amarande | and btw, if you roll alliance there |
| 20:58.45 | erikd | doesn't seem very big for pve |
| 20:58.47 | Amarande | you DO NOT want to join perdition |
| 20:58.51 | Lyn | meh |
| 20:59.00 | Lyn | i want old crafty :x |
| 20:59.13 | Lyn | i dunno why i want him, i just wanth im! |
| 20:59.15 | Amarande | perdition is full of trolls and immature kids |
| 20:59.35 | Amarande | there's really only one good thing perdition did for WoW |
| 20:59.49 | erikd | made a dagger that dropped off rag? |
| 20:59.52 | erikd | :) |
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| 20:59.52 | Amarande | they kinda ... saved sunwell from being an epic fail |
| 21:00.02 | Amarande | erikd: remember the Essence of Immortal failboat? |
| 21:00.11 | erikd | i loved those |
| 21:00.24 | Amarande | it was apparently Perdition that pointed out that EoI would kill 90% of WoW's servers |
| 21:00.26 | erikd | free consumables! |
| 21:00.36 | Amarande | and actually had a cogent argument for it, which is rare for them heh |
| 21:00.47 | erikd | or so they'd like you to believe |
| 21:00.54 | Lyn | i think i will now just sit in ironforge and kill everyone |
| 21:00.55 | Lyn | :O |
| 21:00.57 | Lyn | revenge! |
| 21:01.49 | Amarande | well, what was going to be the case in early test versions of 2.4 |
| 21:01.57 | Amarande | before they settled on the gates automatically opening after X period of time |
| 21:02.28 | Amarande | was that the gates for the last 3 bosses in sunwell, were going to be triggered, mainly, by turning in sufficient quantities of an item called Essence of Immortal that would have been dropped by KT, Vashj, and T6 bosses |
| 21:02.46 | Amarande | What Perdition pointed out, rightly, was that this would destroy 90% of WoW's servers raiding-wise. |
| 21:03.34 | Amarande | And I can't say I disagree with their logic either |
| 21:04.02 | Amarande | It came down to the cold hard fact that this meant that a given server could only turn in up to sixteen EoI per week per raiding guild |
| 21:04.32 | Amarande | and top raiders would all mass exodus to the top pop servers then, because those servers would have the last 3 sunwell bosses all open while the low pop servers would be working on the first gate still |
| 21:04.48 | foxlit | tbh, they didn't have to remove the item |
| 21:04.55 | Kraps | is this a good pvp build? |
| 21:04.57 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.22 | Amarande | whereas, if Blizzard would do something like that where server pop matters |
| 21:05.31 | Amarande | if anything they should be doing something encouraging people to roll/transfer to the LOWER pop servers |
| 21:05.35 | foxlit | "You do not feel pity or remorse..." |
| 21:05.39 | Amarande | not congregate even further onto the top pop servers |
| 21:05.41 | foxlit | Since when are those two acceptable CC? |
| 21:05.51 | ZorbaTHut | oh man, that would have been a disaster |
| 21:05.56 | ZorbaTHut | blizzard, seriously. wtf. :P |
| 21:06.13 | Lyn | after he killed me about 5 times |
| 21:06.23 | Lyn | he now sits next to me and we re fishing together |
| 21:06.23 | Lyn | lol |
| 21:06.29 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: so, can we now demand the CC spells 'pity' and 'remorse'? |
| 21:06.40 | malreth | mobile device usage on our exchange server: 38% Blackberry, 40% iPhone/iPod Touch, 17% Windows Mobile, 5% Palm |
| 21:06.43 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: I think we can |
| 21:06.45 | ZorbaTHut | lyn, I think that's why I love pvp servers so much |
| 21:06.55 | ZorbaTHut | those occasional moments when you both just decide not to fight |
| 21:07.03 | foxlit | Remorse should stun you for ~30s after killing someone in PvP |
| 21:07.15 | foxlit | Pity should make you unable to land a killing blow. |
| 21:07.28 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 21:09.07 | Amarande | Pity would make shadow priests and aff locks OP, fox. :) |
| 21:09.16 | Lunessa | malreth: the numbers here favor the iPhone/iTouch even more. |
| 21:09.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: nah, it would be like a perma-cheat-death for targets of your abilities |
| 21:10.39 | Amarande | you know what one of the REAL problems with wow servers probably is? |
| 21:10.42 | Amarande | there are just TOO MANY of them |
| 21:10.54 | NightHawkTheSane | "Pity - Your abilities do zero damage if they would kill your target." |
| 21:11.03 | NightHawkTheSane | er, their* |
| 21:11.07 | Amarande | why do we need 226 US servers? |
| 21:11.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: ... do you know how many US players there ARE? |
| 21:11.24 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, because there are twenty billion players? :P |
| 21:11.43 | erikd | it's more like 10 billion |
| 21:11.46 | Amarande | Night: there are also several tens of servers whose population is Low 100% of the time |
| 21:12.04 | Amarande | wow |
| 21:12.04 | ZorbaTHut | I mean seriously, I'm on the low-population side of a low-population server, and even on my server there's pretty much constant chatter in /2 unless it's four in the morning |
| 21:12.12 | Amarande | and apparently seven servers that haven't even downed the first boss in sunwell yet |
| 21:12.15 | NightHawkTheSane | I mean, even if you assume that there's only say, ~2 million players on US servers.. that's still.. ~9k players per server. |
| 21:12.27 | ZorbaTHut | it would not surprise me if mine was one of those :( |
| 21:12.39 | Amarande | Zorba: which one are you? |
| 21:12.49 | ZorbaTHut | Shattered Halls |
| 21:12.56 | Amarande | Night: Yeah, I've always wondered where the players actually are on some of those servers |
| 21:13.01 | Amarande | since it never seems quite as packed as it should be |
| 21:13.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i've no idea what target player range the wow servers are built for, so its hard to say, but generally speaking, they dont want to remove servers, as that could seriously overpopulate OTHER servers |
| 21:13.12 | ZorbaTHut | logged off, mostly |
| 21:13.20 | Amarande | Zorba: you're on the second to the bottom server on wowjutsu :) |
| 21:13.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: well, not all 9k play at the same time. ;) |
| 21:13.25 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, awesome. |
| 21:13.47 | ZorbaTHut | I'm trying to decide if I want to move, or if I want to see if I can turn my server into a good raiding server :D |
| 21:13.55 | Amarande | at least you're not as badly off as The Scryers |
| 21:14.05 | Amarande | they haven't even downed Illidan yet, though somehow they're higher ranked than you heh |
| 21:14.18 | Amarande | How can a server be SO bad that they can't even down Illidan yet?! |
| 21:14.18 | linear` | im trying to make an earthshield tracker and im running into a problem. on SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS i set my tracker to 8 charges, and on an earthshield SPELL_HEAL it does charge = charge - 1. If at the exact moment I get hit I cast an ES it'll fire SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS and then SPELL_HEAL, resulting in my tracker showing 7 charges when instead it's 8. anyone got a solution to this |
| 21:14.26 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, btw, note that I'm alliance |
| 21:14.32 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowjutsu.com/us/shatteredhalls/ check out the awesome alliance raiding scene |
| 21:14.47 | Amarande | heh Zorba ... alliance on your server sucks like a Hoover |
| 21:14.57 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it does :) |
| 21:14.58 | Amarande | tell me you're at least in Bane |
| 21:15.02 | Amarande | wait a minute, maybe you don't want to be in Bane |
| 21:15.12 | Wikwocket | linear`: couldn't you poll the UnitAura API to directly determine how many charges are left? |
| 21:15.14 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not in Bane |
| 21:15.18 | ZorbaTHut | I'm in the Puppeteers |
| 21:15.23 | ZorbaTHut | you will notice their exalted position in that list |
| 21:15.42 | linear` | yeah but that wont work 100% of the time if I'm using a macro to cast it on someone |
| 21:15.58 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|zZz, ~poke |
| 21:16.06 | Amarande | I don't even see you in the list |
| 21:16.14 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, *exactly* |
| 21:16.25 | ZorbaTHut | it's a group of friends, and we all started playing maybe four months ago |
| 21:16.27 | Amarande | but seriously ... if they've been around that long, and haven't even taken down Vashj, Kael, the last three MH, or six of the BT bosses ... |
| 21:16.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ooh, awsome |
| 21:16.35 | ZorbaTHut | not a lot of room to raid in BC |
| 21:16.41 | NightHawkTheSane | scroll of recall teleported me somewhere you can't actually GET to normally |
| 21:16.54 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, Bane isn't really highly respected on our server |
| 21:17.02 | Amarande | yeah, Bane looks like they're made of fail |
| 21:17.05 | linear` | if i try to add a timer buffer on SPELL_HEAl based on SPELL_CAST_SUCESS that doesn't work either because if I instantly get hit when I cast ES it won't trigger my condition code |
| 21:17.06 | Amarande | Night: where? |
| 21:17.09 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, there are good people, I've grouped with them. I'm not sure I've ever actually grouped with someone competent out of Bane. |
| 21:17.42 | Amarande | wow, sometimes it's good to know that your server doesn't suck as bad as some other servers suck |
| 21:17.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: Booty Bay, the parapet with the cannons directly south of the dock |
| 21:17.59 | Amarande | Night: heh |
| 21:18.01 | Amarande | speaking of BB |
| 21:18.16 | Amarande | today on Stormrage, I logged in to the BB inn where I usually log lately |
| 21:18.28 | Amarande | and this one guy had apparently had his scroll of recall take him to BB |
| 21:18.32 | Amarande | well ... he also had a pirate hat |
| 21:18.32 | Amarande | GG |
| 21:18.33 | Amarande | :) |
| 21:18.38 | NightHawkTheSane | niiiiice |
| 21:18.47 | Amarande | we know what his rep with BB is, LOL |
| 21:18.53 | Amarande | pretty sure "0/36000 hated" :) |
| 21:19.22 | Amarande | which also means that if you get 750 achievements, you should probably have a "Dirty Traitor" achievement somewhere |
| 21:19.23 | Lyn | and now he wants to kill me again |
| 21:19.24 | Lyn | meh |
| 21:19.42 | Amarande | since ... well, right now, do you have to exalt with the pirates and then turn on them to be able to get both the pirate hat and 40 exalted achievements? |
| 21:19.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: no, actually |
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| 21:20.14 | Amarande | Pirate hat means you have four hated factions, that much I can tell ... |
| 21:20.22 | NightHawkTheSane | you can kill the wastewander mobs in Tanaris. they (and the wastewander water pouch turnins) give steemweedle cartel rep without taking away from Bloodsail rep |
| 21:20.22 | Amarande | I'm not sure how many exaltable factions are currently available in BC |
| 21:20.27 | Lyn | sb, some of your horde-guys dont have any hobbies :p |
| 21:20.28 | End | I thought you could rep back up...yeah |
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| 21:20.51 | Amarande | how much rep per wastewander at 70? 1? |
| 21:20.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: there ARE 40 reps you can get exalted with. but it takes a lot of work |
| 21:20.56 | End | :o |
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| 21:21.00 | Zootfizzle | Heya :) |
| 21:21.01 | sb | Lyn: tell it to that guy that killed me 5 times in southshore.... |
| 21:21.05 | Amarande | and you have to get back to neutral before you can turn in water pouches? |
| 21:21.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:21.11 | ScytheBlade1 | The Guest40056 rejoined! |
| 21:21.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Zoot kicks are weak |
| 21:21.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: *shrug* i don't know the specifics, i just know its possible |
| 21:21.25 | Lyn | sb, lol, what was his name? |
| 21:21.26 | Zootfizzle | Apparently my IRC client really wants me to be connected from home :P |
| 21:21.29 | zenzelezz | Amarande: aren't water pouches like all other reps, no longer suffer from high-level penalty? |
| 21:21.31 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 21:21.32 | End | lol |
| 21:21.33 | sb | Lyn: bdom i think |
| 21:21.41 | Amarande | I'm not sure off the top of my head how many factions exist in the game right now |
| 21:21.46 | Amarande | and how many of those are mutually exclusive pairs |
| 21:21.52 | Amarande | I know there's at least three ME pairs |
| 21:22.02 | Lyn | ah.. i see, gay-elf rogue |
| 21:22.03 | Amarande | zenzelezz: I'm talking about the actual kills, not the turnin |
| 21:22.06 | Lunessa | Zooty - darn IRC clients. I say it's built with Cogs. |
| 21:22.11 | Amarande | kills are still penalized right? |
| 21:22.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: http://www.wowhead.com/?factions |
| 21:22.26 | End | yeah, kills still are I think |
| 21:22.26 | Lyn | sb, night elf rogue... 12 years younger i think :o |
| 21:22.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ built with cogs, haha |
| 21:22.35 | End | quests never were, at least in recent history.... |
| 21:22.37 | Amarande | zenzelezz: and you'd have to get back to Neutral with Gadgetzan to be able to talk to the goblin to turn in pouches |
| 21:22.44 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/4/41/Reputation-Alliance.jpg |
| 21:22.59 | Amarande | which means something like ... 42,000 rep from killing wastewander mobs which is going to give something like one rep a kill :) |
| 21:23.01 | End | well, I suppose you'd have to spend a lot of time farming pouches anyways :P |
| 21:23.35 | Amarande | And the eternal hatred of, well, level 40-50 players of both factions pretty much |
| 21:23.37 | Lunessa | Killing all those mobs would give you a LOT of pouches. |
| 21:23.41 | Amarande | Hope you're not on a PvP server |
| 21:23.57 | Amarande | someone will probably come with a couple 70's to make you stop ruining the tanaris questing for their lower levels |
| 21:24.00 | ZorbaTHut | seriously look at that link |
| 21:24.05 | ZorbaTHut | it's incredible |
| 21:24.06 | Amarande | yeah, looking at it now |
| 21:24.11 | Amarande | why didn't you exalt with Bloodsail? :) |
| 21:24.17 | ZorbaTHut | it's not mine |
| 21:24.21 | ZorbaTHut | and I dunno. :) |
| 21:24.39 | Yssaril | if i have ... = somefunction() do i have to make ... local or is it always local? |
| 21:24.43 | ZorbaTHut | it's possible that they couldn't get past Revered while still using the trick that keeps you from losing Ratchet rep |
| 21:24.51 | End | Yssaril: won't work |
| 21:24.56 | Amarande | heh, he doesn't HAVE the 40 exalted achievement :P |
| 21:24.57 | End | can't assign to ... |
| 21:25.24 | Amarande | only 38 :) |
| 21:25.27 | Yssaril | end so i have to assign to a table? |
| 21:25.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: I think it's that the only way to hit exalted with bloodsail is via quest turnin, and he may have turned in all the quests to soon.. |
| 21:25.33 | malreth | no |
| 21:25.44 | End | or send your args to another function |
| 21:25.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: hmm, if it was given +o you can probably ghost it |
| 21:25.53 | Amarande | hmm |
| 21:25.53 | ZorbaTHut | it may not be possible in BC |
| 21:26.03 | End | er, s/args/return values/ |
| 21:26.06 | Amarande | which means yeah, to get 40 exalted factions, you DO have to go through the impossibly long wastewander grind |
| 21:26.11 | Amarande | because looking at this |
| 21:26.15 | Yssaril | End: hmm ok |
| 21:26.22 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure the only two factions that can be exalted on top of that without losing another exalted |
| 21:26.36 | Amarande | are that you can exalt with one of the centaur clans (which makes 39) and so you DO need to get that one last point of bloodsail. |
| 21:26.50 | Amarande | how did he get honored with both centaur clans, though? |
| 21:26.55 | End | you can still hit exalted with one of the clans?? |
| 21:27.03 | End | I thought they made drop off |
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| 21:27.18 | End | and it used to be you could stop hated rep using weird group mechanics or something |
| 21:27.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:27.29 | ZorbaTHut | for a while - I don't know if this is still the case - rep gains occured if you were in a party with someone, but rep losses only occured if you delivered the killing blow |
| 21:27.37 | malreth | Amarande: does the achievement state that you need 40 simultaneous exalted reputations? |
| 21:27.45 | ZorbaTHut | so with some cooperation you could manage otherwise-mutally-exclusive exalted reps |
| 21:27.46 | End | yeah |
| 21:27.48 | Amarande | malreth: I always assumed that |
| 21:27.51 | End | I think they fixed it though |
| 21:28.05 | Amarande | End: I'm -pretty- sure you never stop getting rep from killing centaurs |
| 21:28.25 | malreth | because you could get exalted in one, and then switch to the other rep to get two different exalted reps |
| 21:28.28 | Amarande | but you can ONLY get rep by killing at that point, and it's single digit rep per kill because you'd be 70 |
| 21:29.08 | End | I dunno, I never really bothered to try though :P |
| 21:29.15 | ZorbaTHut | oh god, I think I just barely missed the Aldor/Scryer feat of strength or something :( |
| 21:29.29 | malreth | meh |
| 21:31.01 | Amarande | aren't some feats of strength still gettable? |
| 21:31.08 | Amarande | like the bloodsail and phoenix mount ones |
| 21:31.23 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 21:31.24 | Daemona | ZorbaTHut you are the guy working on QH no? |
| 21:31.28 | ZorbaTHut | daemona, yup, that's me |
| 21:31.35 | Amarande | and the strat mount |
| 21:31.47 | Daemona | i ran into some strange routing issue, dropped you a ticket at curseforge |
| 21:31.58 | ZorbaTHut | cool, I'll check it out |
| 21:32.34 | Amarande | what's the aldor/scryer feat? |
| 21:32.41 | Amarande | I don't even see that one on the list on wowhead unless I missed something |
| 21:33.14 | Amarande | ah, hero of shattrath |
| 21:33.24 | Amarande | I think that one's still doable ... though it should be called 'Dirty Traitor of Shattrath' anyway LOL |
| 21:33.37 | Daemona | the aldor + scryer exalted one? |
| 21:33.47 | Daemona | why should they remove that? |
| 21:34.40 | MentalPower | how would you get both to exalted? |
| 21:34.47 | ZorbaTHut | the thing that's annoying me is that I *did* it |
| 21:34.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Grind one to exalted |
| 21:34.48 | Daemona | one after another |
| 21:34.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Grind the other to exalted |
| 21:34.52 | Amarande | MentalPower: it's assumed that you have to do one, become a dirty traitor and do the other |
| 21:34.53 | ZorbaTHut | I just think I did it right before 3.0 :( |
| 21:35.00 | Amarande | yeah, that one's not retroactive |
| 21:35.10 | Amarande | speaking of which, will they EVER fix the date bug on achievements for characters created before 3.0? |
| 21:35.16 | ZorbaTHut | it should be :P |
| 21:35.20 | MentalPower | would that not lower the first one below exalted? |
| 21:35.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: that bug has been in beta for a while.. >< |
| 21:35.29 | Amarande | a number of achievements, like "Level 10" will reset to being achieved today when you log on |
| 21:35.41 | Amarande | however, strangely enough, if you're say level 70, the "Level 70" achievement doesn't bug the same way |
| 21:35.49 | Amarande | Night: any idea why it happens? |
| 21:35.50 | NightHawkTheSane | MentalPower: yes, but you'd already have it recorded as done. |
| 21:35.57 | Daemona | i am more annoyed that a GM told me after we did tyrande on friday and i didnt get the achievement that they cant award that retro-actively for pre-3.0 kills ... |
| 21:35.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: what, do i look like i work for blizzard? :P |
| 21:35.58 | MentalPower | ah, iC |
| 21:36.00 | Amarande | or if the only way around it will be to create a brand new character? |
| 21:36.04 | Daemona | friday tahts 2+ days after the patch |
| 21:36.10 | Amarande | speaking of which - *do* characters created after the patch get the same glitch? |
| 21:36.26 | ZorbaTHut | argh, that seriously bugs me |
| 21:36.36 | ZorbaTHut | if I'd just waited a few more days, I think I did it *right* before 3.0 :( |
| 21:36.43 | Amarande | also a few other glitches |
| 21:36.54 | Amarande | I've defeated Maladaar (or whatever his name in Auchenai is) ONLY on heroic mode |
| 21:36.58 | Amarande | in fact, as part of a heroic daily |
| 21:37.08 | Amarande | however, strangely enough, I get retroactively credited only for regular Maladaar and not for heroic :| |
| 21:37.14 | Daemona | like reseting the do 5 times the same daily on 5 consecutive days randomly reseting? |
| 21:37.25 | Amarande | Daemona: that one never bugged on me |
| 21:37.28 | Amarande | you know what's even more amazing |
| 21:37.37 | Amarande | I managed somehow to achieve that one using only the COOKING daily |
| 21:37.43 | Amarande | one that's RANDOM every day among four different quests ... |
| 21:37.49 | Daemona | haha |
| 21:37.52 | Daemona | nice one........ |
| 21:37.54 | Amarande | yes, the cooking daily on Quel'dorei was the same one five days in a row :) |
| 21:38.01 | Daemona | i thought i would simply do cooking fishing + skettis bomb |
| 21:38.12 | Kaelten | hows it going guy? |
| 21:38.25 | Amarande | luck seems to work weird around me though |
| 21:38.27 | Daemona | ranting about achievement bugs and how are you Kaelten ? ;) |
| 21:38.33 | Amarande | last night, two people needed on an item in underbog |
| 21:38.38 | Kaelten | Im good. |
| 21:38.40 | Amarande | and the rolls were - I kid you not - 1, and 100. |
| 21:38.41 | Kaelten | :) |
| 21:39.13 | Amarande | speaking of which ... I got the +30 stam/+20 resilience neckpiece in underbog ... |
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| 21:39.26 | Amarande | which is better for a tank, the +30 stam from that, or the +17 def rating from the necklace of the diamond tower that I have right now? |
| 21:39.29 | Daemona | hmpf instance servers bugging again over at eu ... |
| 21:40.02 | Daemona | uuuh lookup tankpoints, but the generall formula is hp / (1-damage reduction) |
| 21:40.11 | Daemona | whichever number is bigger is better ;) |
| 21:41.39 | Amarande | hmm, advantage to low pop servers, apparently ... |
| 21:41.44 | Amarande | high pop servers tend to be the ones that glitch up |
| 21:42.49 | Amarande | wasn't it like the five most popular servers on WoW that were down last night? |
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| 21:42.50 | mikma | wheeeee |
| 21:42.50 | Lunessa | Ok, so I'm about to become a total noob.. how to I go about getting the one return value from a API call and ignoring the rest? |
| 21:42.50 | mikma | silvermoon boss down |
| 21:43.04 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: impressive. |
| 21:43.10 | NightHawkTheSane | is alliance able to take the teleporter? |
| 21:43.19 | mikma | nope =( |
| 21:43.24 | NightHawkTheSane | then yes, impressive. ;P |
| 21:43.29 | mikma | going after sylvanas now |
| 21:43.58 | NightHawkTheSane | also, i love brain freeze. |
| 21:44.06 | Wikwocket | Lunessa: local returnVal = APIFunction() |
| 21:44.20 | Wikwocket | or if you want, say, the third return value, |
| 21:44.21 | Lunessa | For example, I want return 7 from GetPetActionInfo |
| 21:44.34 | Wikwocket | local _, _, returnVal = APIFunction() |
| 21:44.41 | Lunessa | Thank you. |
| 21:44.47 | Wikwocket | you can also use select() but I like _ |
| 21:45.19 | NightHawkTheSane | select(3,SomeMethodCall()) to be sure. :)\ |
| 21:45.21 | smcn | ({GetPetActionInfo()})[7] is what i would use :P |
| 21:45.30 | NightHawkTheSane | smcn: yeah, but you're strange |
| 21:46.47 | Wikwocket | Is one of those methods better in terms of performance? |
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| 21:51.37 | Lunessa | Thanks guys. I knew it was something simple, but I just couldn't remember. And I'm a noob. :P |
| 21:53.11 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, n more than me |
| 21:53.14 | NightHawkTheSane | no* |
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| 21:57.02 | Amarande | hahah, sylvanas is more or less impossible now :) |
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| 21:57.16 | Amarande | yay for lots of adds in a small room |
| 21:57.50 | ZorbaTHut | she's definitely possible, as people have killed her. but . . . hard :) |
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| 21:59.09 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, she's DOable alright. |
| 21:59.43 | cladhaire | foxlit: mikma: I had to adjust for the hyperlink on click change |
| 21:59.47 | cladhaire | as you might expect |
| 21:59.57 | foxlit | cladhaire: yeah, we were pondering whether that's a bug. |
| 22:00.00 | cladhaire | its not |
| 22:00.05 | cladhaire | i can assure you |
| 22:00.07 | foxlit | Oh, there's a reason? |
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| 22:01.29 | mikma | lol |
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| 22:02.43 | cladhaire | foxlit: not a bug, won't be fixed. |
| 22:02.45 | cladhaire | it used to crash the client |
| 22:03.35 | foxlit | So it's intended, but not documented? |
| 22:07.08 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: pong |
| 22:07.55 | Amarande | wait, people can link [Chuck Norris's Sword] again? |
| 22:08.26 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 22:08.27 | Shirik | can they? |
| 22:08.54 | foxlit | cladhaire: It's also an odd "fix"; they could just do the buffered SetText in the background, and no one would be the wiser. |
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| 22:09.01 | cladhaire | they can't. |
| 22:09.05 | cladhaire | its easy for you to say that, but they can't :P |
| 22:09.19 | cladhaire | trust me I asked the questions the first time LH caused a 132 |
| 22:09.52 | foxlit | I'll accept "they won't", but not "they can't" :) |
| 22:10.15 | foxlit | Or even "they can't without spending disproportionate resources on it" |
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| 22:14.38 | cladhaire | foxlit: they can't means they can't <without caveat here> |
| 22:14.40 | cladhaire | as per usual. |
| 22:14.45 | cladhaire | do it onupdate after the button is processed |
| 22:14.48 | cladhaire | is the best we can do right now |
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| 22:15.30 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, what did you want? |
| 22:15.36 | Amarande | cladhaire, you know now someone's going to have to make a guild called <Without Caveat Here> |
| 22:15.45 | Shirik | what did YOU want |
| 22:15.47 | Thunder_Child | 22:21.41Â Â Â Â Â Â @Shirik|zZz:#WoWUIDev: Thunder_Child............. |
| 22:16.07 | Shirik | you made that up |
| 22:16.08 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:16.09 | Shirik | right! |
| 22:16.30 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18500 |
| 22:16.35 | Amarande | hmm |
| 22:16.38 | Amarande | 100,000 Honorable Kills |
| 22:16.43 | Amarande | is anyone anywhere even near close to that one? |
| 22:16.58 | Amarande | that's like rank 15 in Guild Wars practically |
| 22:17.35 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:17.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I know of a few people on my server who turtle AVs just for the HKs |
| 22:17.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Have done that for -years- |
| 22:17.54 | Shirik | You know what the problem is with WoW's PVP |
| 22:17.56 | Shirik | there's no penalty |
| 22:18.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure that a select few are well above 100k HKs |
| 22:18.24 | Shirik | people will rush in aimlessly with no reason, expecting to die and maybe kill one or two in the process |
| 22:18.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: there's a lot more wrong with it than that |
| 22:18.49 | cladhaire | Glyph of Ghost Wolf form |
| 22:18.54 | Shirik | but that's a big wrong thing |
| 22:19.45 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: did you discover that one? odd glyph.. |
| 22:19.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: gotta say that read like a goodbye |
| 22:20.04 | cladhaire | yeah i did, why is it odd? |
| 22:20.08 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:20.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That thread you linked |
| 22:20.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno, i just never spend much time in ghost wolf on my shaman |
| 22:20.25 | mikma | Amarande: tem has like 2 million kills |
| 22:20.33 | mikma | tardmrr: right? |
| 22:20.44 | NightHawkTheSane | and im not sure i would just to get that hp regen.. |
| 22:20.54 | cladhaire | well |
| 22:20.55 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=105782#post105782 |
| 22:20.58 | cladhaire | its selling for 45g on my server |
| 22:20.58 | cladhaire | so |
| 22:21.00 | cladhaire | :P |
| 22:21.19 | NightHawkTheSane | thats craszy |
| 22:21.32 | Amarande | Shirik: if there was a penalty to dying in pvp though |
| 22:21.36 | Amarande | it would make griefers even more irritating |
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| 22:23.30 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: although i guess given the shaman minor glyphs, its probably one of the better ones.. |
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| 22:26.15 | mikma | NightHawkTheSane: i use glyphs: waterwalking, breathing, water shield |
| 22:26.21 | mikma | all of them are crap |
| 22:26.30 | NightHawkTheSane | the water shield one is nice |
| 22:26.47 | mikma | adds more balls. souns like Tekkub |
| 22:26.55 | Tekkub | balls? |
| 22:26.57 | Tekkub | where? |
| 22:26.59 | Tekkub | gimmeh |
| 22:29.55 | Amarande | I haven't looked at shaman glyphs yet |
| 22:30.03 | Amarande | hp regen in ghost wolf sounds WIN AND AWESOME though |
| 22:30.16 | Amarande | especially since I tend to use ghost wolf whenever I am traveling and not using an actual mount |
| 22:30.37 | mikma | well go and have a look |
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| 22:31.51 | mikma | Use: Your Ghost Wolf form regenerates an additional 1% of your maximum health every 5 sec. |
| 22:32.31 | mikma | 10 seconds of fleeing brings back ~300hp |
| 22:33.12 | cladhaire | well more importantly |
| 22:33.23 | cladhaire | 100 seconds of fleeing brings you to full health, from dead :P |
| 22:33.41 | foxlit | *5 |
| 22:34.17 | mikma | usually the mob/player will chase you hitting and throwing spells =( |
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| 22:35.04 | NightHawkTheSane | man. fuck qwest. |
| 22:35.17 | mikma | uuh, kinky |
| 22:35.26 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, I'm with mikwa, re: water shield, water breathing, water walking |
| 22:35.48 | mikma | fullon water baby!! |
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| 22:36.07 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, i agree, those are the ones ill probably go with |
| 22:36.33 | Neuro_Medivh | clad, how goes the inscription plan? |
| 22:36.39 | Neuro_Medivh | made any money? |
| 22:37.00 | End | I'd be surprised if he didn't |
| 22:37.32 | Neuro_Medivh | I ended up making 7k before the price wars slashed the glyphs too low |
| 22:37.57 | mikma | nice |
| 22:37.57 | Amarande | heh, I actually don't think very much about money when I level a profession |
| 22:38.01 | Amarande | other than the money it might *cost* to do so |
| 22:38.39 | Amarande | which is a major reason I stick to servers long after they've lost their usefulness to me |
| 22:38.41 | Amarande | since I have gold |
| 22:38.49 | Amarande | and don't have to do things more arduously |
| 22:39.10 | Amarande | hmm, on a pve server for a mage: enchanting/tailoring |
| 22:39.18 | Amarande | on a pvp server ... the same, or is enchanting/inscription more to the point? |
| 22:39.55 | mikma | herb/alch =) |
| 22:40.04 | mikma | you get hot and bottles |
| 22:40.08 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, anyone have an opinion on whether i should go spellfire or shadowweave on my mage? :P |
| 22:40.14 | Amarande | since then the tailoring sets are probably geer |
| 22:40.19 | mikma | <3 the herbalism HoT |
| 22:40.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart mikma |
| 22:40.20 | purl | whips out his power stapler and staples mikma's foot to the floor |
| 22:40.27 | Amarande | geer: gear that people *think* makes them geared, but really doesn't |
| 22:40.36 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane, unless you plan on being frost mage, go spellfire |
| 22:40.37 | mikma | NightHawkTheSane: spell |
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| 22:40.54 | mikma | shadow is good for priests and warlocks |
| 22:41.02 | Amarande | actually, the tailoring sets all just have spellpower now right? |
| 22:41.03 | NightHawkTheSane | well my mage is currently frost, i was going to keep her that way |
| 22:41.17 | End | it's the secondary stats that differ |
| 22:41.18 | Neuro_Medivh | then shadowweave |
| 22:41.18 | mikma | uuuuh <3 |
| 22:41.22 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm |
| 22:41.25 | Neuro_Medivh | lemme check |
| 22:41.25 | Amarande | the shadoweave set feels lackluster now, and the spellfire set feels squishy |
| 22:41.26 | End | I think it's spirit vs. crit vs. haste |
| 22:41.32 | Amarande | the primal mooncloth one seems to be the only really good one now |
| 22:41.34 | End | with some variances in stam/int/spi too |
| 22:41.42 | NightHawkTheSane | mostly, im thinking ahead for wotlk, cause im not sure if im going to bother crafting the l70 stuff |
| 22:41.45 | Kirkburn | Mikk! /me pokes and prods Mikk for fun |
| 22:41.46 | Neuro_Medivh | you also wanna look to wotlk |
| 22:41.56 | Mikk | meh! |
| 22:42.02 | Amarande | like ... c'mon, you don't want your mage to have less hp than a ret pally has mana, do you? :) |
| 22:42.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: thats more what my question was intended as, really |
| 22:42.02 | Kirkburn | Hullo =) |
| 22:42.29 | Amarande | or worse, less hp than a rogue has mana :) |
| 22:42.45 | Amarande | actually wait, that would be a good thing |
| 22:42.54 | Amarande | if you had less hp than a rogue has mana, you'd end up with like 4294967295 hp |
| 22:43.10 | Mikk | assuming blizzard likes unsigned ints |
| 22:43.18 | Kirkburn | Mikk, that's all really, apart from accusing of hiding in plain sight, and trying to make you feel guilty about having a life :P |
| 22:43.20 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm thinking spellfire, it has crit |
| 22:43.36 | Mikk | Kirkburn: I'm fixing mods & libs for 3.0 damnit! |
| 22:43.42 | Amarande | shadoweave gives hit through socket bonuses though |
| 22:43.49 | Amarande | you shouldn't be worrying about crit till you're hit capped, right? |
| 22:44.07 | Kirkburn | Mikk, you're forgiven ... for now :P |
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| 22:44.28 | Neuro_Medivh | in Wotlk, spellfire does +haste along with +dmg, while shadowweave does +hit along with +dmg |
| 22:44.41 | Amarande | hit > haste |
| 22:44.43 | Mikk | Amarande: aeuhm that's generally been the wisdom yes. though crit is now more fun for SPs -> more mana regen. but that only matters if you actually have mana problems. |
| 22:44.44 | Neuro_Medivh | though I believe they are not 'exclusive' |
| 22:44.48 | Amarande | in other words, the shadowweave set is still good |
| 22:44.51 | Amarande | and the spellfire set is garbage |
| 22:44.58 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed, they dont appear to be exclusive |
| 22:45.19 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. *shrug* |
| 22:45.36 | Amarande | which means that speccing spellcloth is always the wrong choice now :) |
| 22:45.45 | mikma | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?items=16.7#0-2+1 they are pretty fooked up at the top of the list |
| 22:46.02 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, i can always change my spec, yeah? |
| 22:46.06 | Amarande | heck spellcloth was already an iffy thing on the 'is it worth it' level |
| 22:46.16 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. |
| 22:46.18 | mikma | NightHawkTheSane: NEVER |
| 22:46.27 | mikma | icemage = <3 |
| 22:46.47 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, the only difference between the three in wotlk is that you get 2x cloth per your spec, just like in bc |
| 22:46.49 | Amarande | I don't even know what mage specs are like now :| |
| 22:46.51 | NightHawkTheSane | wowhead says glacial bag is 4 ebonweave & 4 moonshroud.. if shadowweave tailoring lets me double my ebon weave like it does shadowweaev.. |
| 22:46.55 | NightHawkTheSane | shadowweave |
| 22:47.06 | Amarande | Night: presumably you need ebonweave tailoring for that |
| 22:47.18 | mikma | hmm, maybe i should play with my mage too |
| 22:47.20 | Amarande | there's probably a new set of specs for the 80 tier |
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| 22:47.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: maybe, but afaik, there's no information on that. |
| 22:47.30 | mikma | sitting there on pvp realm all by itself |
| 22:47.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ebonweave & shadoweave may be linked. |
| 22:47.54 | NightHawkTheSane | which wouldn't surprise me |
| 22:47.55 | Neuro_Medivh | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=41984 is just neat |
| 22:48.00 | Neuro_Medivh | I bet it looks cool |
| 22:48.07 | Amarande | hmm, is there still anything remotely resembling the old 43/11/7 PoMPyro spec? |
| 22:49.13 | Amarande | also, the 51 point fire talent looks wimpy :| |
| 22:49.21 | Amarande | it looks kinda like locks' SoC but not as good |
| 22:49.32 | mikma | Neuro_Medivh: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=41984#modelviewer |
| 22:49.51 | Amarande | and you don't even need to invest talent points for SOC :| |
| 22:51.04 | Amarande | the 51 point frost talent looks wimpy too |
| 22:51.10 | Amarande | are any of the 51 pointers worth taking for mages? |
| 22:52.10 | mikma | i still think i will level my druid first, then my shaman =/ |
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| 22:53.11 | asdffdsa | ugh... |
| 22:53.15 | mikma | dear llord, glyph of swiftmend |
| 22:53.17 | Fisker- | What does your scanner say about Illidan's imprisonmentlevel? |
| 22:53.22 | asdffdsa | is there a plugin for handling large volumes of mail? |
| 22:53.28 | mikma | asdffdsa: cosmos discontinued |
| 22:53.35 | Fisker- | cosmos is gone? |
| 22:53.39 | Fisker- | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 22:53.44 | asdffdsa | i can handle the auction house mail, but someone spammed me with a shedload of crap |
| 22:53.54 | asdffdsa | mikma, ? |
| 22:53.57 | mikma | you make AnduinLothar a sad panda Fisker- |
| 22:54.14 | Fisker- | :) |
| 22:54.16 | mikma | asdffdsa: shift+leftbutton on the icon |
| 22:54.27 | mikma | autoloot everything in the mail |
| 22:54.46 | mikma | or just press return lol |
| 22:54.48 | asdffdsa | damn! |
| 22:54.51 | asdffdsa | that is neat! |
| 22:54.53 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: he does that to a lot of people |
| 22:55.10 | Fisker- | AnduinLothar knows i love him anyways |
| 22:55.12 | mikma | NightHawkTheSane: thats because he's a Fister- |
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| 22:56.56 | Shirik | so I'm a little bit confused; ScytheBlade1 you around? |
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| 22:57.33 | mikma | Mikk: ping |
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| 23:00.23 | Shirik | I shall now go take a nap |
| 23:00.28 | Shirik | then fire ze missiles! |
| 23:00.29 | Shirik | nini |
| 23:00.37 | mikma | noes, not ze nap |
| 23:00.59 | mikma | double v tee ef mate |
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| 23:02.29 | Fisker- | why so evil mikma ? |
| 23:02.40 | Shirik|zZz | why so why so Fisker-? |
| 23:02.44 | Fisker- | :( |
| 23:02.58 | mikma | lolzi |
| 23:03.00 | Fisker- | why so srs? |
| 23:03.07 | Shirik|zZz | nini |
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| 23:03.20 | Fisker- | i had over NINE THOUSAND fishes reverted |
| 23:03.21 | mikma | lets put a :) on that face |
| 23:03.26 | Fisker- | stupid server shutdowns |
| 23:03.40 | Hirsute | Hey Yssaril, question regarding Mounted: Is there a way to set it so that clicking the macro it creates will dismount me if I'm in battle? Am I just misunderstanding the configuration? |
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| 23:04.42 | Yssaril | Hirsute: add /dismount [mounted] to the top of your combat macro |
| 23:05.02 | Hirsute | Yssaril: Awesome, I wasn't sure if that would break the addon's ability to change it or not. |
| 23:05.08 | Yssaril | hmm should probably add that to the all of them |
| 23:05.37 | Hirsute | And I'm not at a compy I can test from, so I figured I'd just ask. |
| 23:06.03 | Yssaril | Hirsute: hehe np btw do you have the headlesshorseman mount? |
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| 23:07.05 | Hirsute | Yssaril: I don't. I still haven't seen it drop *pout* |
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| 23:07.35 | Yssaril | Hirsute: hehe i dont have it either so i can't check if my scaling mount code works /sigh |
| 23:07.59 | Yssaril | at least it doesn't break on normal ones |
| 23:08.04 | Hirsute | Ah. |
| 23:08.12 | mikma | how can we get our hands on BoA items? |
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| 23:08.16 | Hirsute | Does the horseman mount scale with mount speed? |
| 23:08.21 | Dewin | yes |
| 23:08.26 | Hirsute | s/speed/skill/ |
| 23:08.30 | Yssaril | Hirsute: scales with location and skill |
| 23:08.33 | Hirsute | Awesome, can it fly, too? |
| 23:08.38 | Yssaril | Hirsute: yup |
| 23:08.43 | Redguard | alestane are you around? I can't seem to figure out how to get attributes out of the secure templates for the action bars/buttons |
| 23:08.57 | Hirsute | Oh... oh my. Once I get this exam out of the way, I think I'm going to be farming HH in earnest. |
| 23:09.08 | Yssaril | Hirsute: hehe |
| 23:09.09 | Redguard | I notice I can get 'type' and a few other useless ones, but any calls for 'unit' return nil, useparent-unit returns nil also |
| 23:09.27 | mikma | it can fly? |
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| 23:10.01 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 23:10.04 | Xinhuan | it can fly |
| 23:10.14 | Xinhuan | initial drop rate estimates is about 1 in 500 summons |
| 23:10.34 | Hirsute | And with my crappy relationship with the RNG... I don't stand a chance. |
| 23:10.39 | mikma | still i think it sucks |
| 23:10.43 | Xinhuan | Yssaril, how does your addon handle broomsticks atm? |
| 23:10.49 | mikma | but one mountin all places |
| 23:10.55 | alestane | Redguard: Sort of around, I'm a little distracted. |
| 23:10.56 | Dewin | Hirsute: I've seen 2 squashlings, won one. Seen 1 hallowed helm rolled a 1. |
| 23:11.06 | Xinhuan | they are quite the best mounts ever, instant cast |
| 23:11.16 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: i dont think it does since they are still tokens not spells i think |
| 23:11.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: they're not companions though /cry |
| 23:11.18 | Xinhuan | in arena, its quite the win |
| 23:11.27 | Xinhuan | well find a way then |
| 23:11.33 | Xinhuan | because they are REALLY WIN |
| 23:11.37 | Xinhuan | for instant cast mounts |
| 23:11.39 | Hirsute | The hallowed helm I got, everything else I've rolled less than 10 on. Still managed to win two rings because everyone else already had them and couldn't loot them. |
| 23:11.41 | NightHawkTheSane | isnt using an item a protected function or something? :P |
| 23:11.42 | Dewin | Xin: Do you know if the permanent ones are instacast too? |
| 23:11.45 | Amarande | mikma, I don't think BoA items are available until WOTLK |
| 23:11.53 | Xinhuan | there isn't any permanent ones dewin |
| 23:12.02 | Dewin | Umm... |
| 23:12.05 | Amarande | Night: isn't htat only in combat? |
| 23:12.06 | Xinhuan | apart from the HHM steed |
| 23:12.08 | Amarande | you can't mount in combat anyway |
| 23:12.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i dont remember, honestly |
| 23:12.32 | Dewin | oh, strange, it got pulled. |
| 23:12.38 | Xinhuan | i binded my mount to brooms now lol |
| 23:12.40 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: it is unless your using secure code :) |
| 23:12.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: heh, yeah. |
| 23:12.52 | NightHawkTheSane | thats what i thought |
| 23:13.15 | NightHawkTheSane | im debating trying to learn secure stuff to get flight form into stableboy, but meh |
| 23:13.31 | Amarande | and the secure stuff is all new with 3.0 |
| 23:13.39 | Xinhuan | do it NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:13.44 | NightHawkTheSane | well, thats irrelevent, since 3.0 is here, Amarande |
| 23:13.45 | Xinhuan | its easier than 2.0 secure stuff |
| 23:13.45 | Amarande | I'm still wondering if there will be a third edition of the wow programming book to go with the 3.0 changes |
| 23:13.52 | Xinhuan | way way easier |
| 23:14.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: give me some good example code on using a basic secure button in 3.0, and i probably will |
| 23:14.09 | Amarande | or if I need "wow programming book + fifty zillion web printouts" to be able to do anything in 3.0 |
| 23:14.09 | Dewin | oh, all 4 brooms are temporary. |
| 23:14.12 | Dewin | And they combined them with 1. |
| 23:14.12 | Xinhuan | what do you want the button to do NightHawkTheSane? |
| 23:14.13 | Dewin | I see. |
| 23:14.25 | Dewin | I saw an earlier version of the wowwiki page that had 4 separate brooms |
| 23:14.34 | Amarande | last year there were 4 separate brooms |
| 23:14.44 | Thrae | Let's all go IPO in cladhaire's marketing space. |
| 23:14.44 | Dewin | yeah... I checked the wiki page a few days ago and it still showed all 4 |
| 23:14.51 | Amarande | also, last year the brooms weren't bop |
| 23:14.57 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: i took the easy way out and am not using any secure code though i just manipulate a macro's text (not protected outside of combat) |
| 23:14.57 | Amarande | so they could be preserved indefinitely by mailing |
| 23:14.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: really, it only has to cast flight form. and maybe ghost wolf. i can do everything else in a pre-click wrap script that does call companion and determines whether to actually click the button or not |
| 23:15.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: yeah, i call CallCompanion() directly, so i dont mess with macros.. |
| 23:15.25 | Dewin | so how stable have your servers been? |
| 23:15.33 | Xinhuan | you just make a button inherit from SecureActionButtonTemplate |
| 23:15.50 | Xinhuan | then :SetAttribute("type1", "spell") |
| 23:16.01 | Xinhuan | then :SetAttribute("spell1", "Swift Flight Form") |
| 23:16.05 | Xinhuan | that's all there is to it? |
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| 23:16.29 | Xinhuan | then use your pre-click wrapper to return a value as to whether the wrapper should call the actual OnClick |
| 23:16.33 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, oh |
| 23:17.34 | Xinhuan | NightHawkTheSane, its important to note that only secure header/states implementation changed, the attributes to a button didn't ;p |
| 23:17.36 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i read iriel's pdf and picked up a lot of that. i just sometimes have trouble translating technical documentation into actual implementation, if there's no examples :p |
| 23:17.38 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowwiki.com/Secure_frames_overview |
| 23:17.49 | Xinhuan | see the section under "spell" |
| 23:17.54 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, neat |
| 23:18.05 | Xinhuan | that makes the button cast a spell you specify |
| 23:18.12 | Xinhuan | the "1" suffix just means left button |
| 23:18.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ill have to toy with that |
| 23:18.33 | Xinhuan | without the suffix, it would mean all buttons |
| 23:19.11 | Atriace | What exactly is object type "userdata"? |
| 23:19.34 | Xinhuan | i assume you used SecureHandlerWrapScript() |
| 23:19.48 | Xinhuan | otherwise a preclick handler cannot stop a onclick from happening |
| 23:19.55 | alestane | Atriace: Generally a frame or texture. |
| 23:20.00 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: btw may a borrow some of your tooltip parsing code? currently i determine speed/type with a db i parsed from wowhead |
| 23:20.15 | Xinhuan | hey alestane, thanks for the help the other day ;p |
| 23:20.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: sure. |
| 23:20.27 | NightHawkTheSane | it's not very complex, really. ;) |
| 23:20.44 | Atriace | Alestane: I don't think so. I'm performing type(object) and I'm getting frame, texture, table, string, var, button etc... but sometimes I'm just getting userdata. |
| 23:21.04 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: i figured as much :P never had time enought to check for exeptions to the rule (wich i see are only 3 mounts) |
| 23:21.05 | alestane | Where are you getting object? |
| 23:21.20 | Atriace | From the global table. |
| 23:21.33 | Arrowmaster | none of those should be userdata |
| 23:21.40 | Arrowmaster | unless somebody is playing with a proxy |
| 23:21.43 | Xinhuan | i didn't know wow default UI uses userdata type |
| 23:21.44 | alestane | So you're just iterating _G and returning type? |
| 23:21.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: *nod* and the exceptions to fairly regular things, so it theoretically could be possible to parse for them, too |
| 23:21.57 | Atriace | Alestane: basicly |
| 23:21.58 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: frame[0] |
| 23:22.27 | Xinhuan | other than that |
| 23:22.29 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: every frame has a userdata object and thats actually all the frame functions care about |
| 23:22.31 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: btw you can mount up in the Underbelly of dalaran (right now you only check for krasus landing it seams) |
| 23:22.40 | Xinhuan | only stuff i know that uses userdata type is Ace2 i think? |
| 23:22.55 | alestane | They're also used for proxy objects. |
| 23:22.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: hm, really? Is the Underbelly the dalaran arena? |
| 23:23.17 | Redguard | alestane I am stumped how to pull the Unit and active spell out of buttons of the action bars |
| 23:23.21 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: yea its the sewer pipe |
| 23:23.32 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, that one sewer pipe that leads outside? |
| 23:23.35 | Redguard | I tried getting the unit and parent unit attribute, both returning nil |
| 23:23.39 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: yea |
| 23:23.49 | Redguard | do I need to do this from inside a secure button method or what am I missing here? |
| 23:23.59 | Redguard | I basically want to know what the active target and spell is of ActionButton1 |
| 23:24.05 | Redguard | if it be a spell on that button, or a macro |
| 23:24.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: ah, thanks, ill add that, at some point. ;) |
| 23:24.13 | Xinhuan | Redguard: value = handle:GetEffectiveAttribute(name, button, prefix, suffix) ? |
| 23:24.29 | Amarande | heh, if the sewer pipe leads outside |
| 23:24.32 | Amarande | and dalaran is floating ... |
| 23:24.38 | Amarande | does this mean you can fall out of the arena? |
| 23:24.41 | Atriace | Xinhuan, Alestane (and anyone else curious enough to help): Try this on your client: /script message(type(InterfaceOptionsNamesPanelEnemyCreationsText[0])) |
| 23:24.58 | Atriace | You should get "userdata" |
| 23:25.03 | Arrowmaster | Atriace: that will always be userdata |
| 23:25.09 | Atriace | so, what is it? |
| 23:25.15 | Yssaril | Amarande: yes also why do you think northrend is so trashy (dam wizards dumping their trash everywhere) |
| 23:25.17 | Xinhuan | yes as Arrowmaster said, all frames have a [0] index that is userdata |
| 23:25.17 | Arrowmaster | the frames unique identifer |
| 23:25.23 | Redguard | Xinhuan nil |
| 23:25.27 | Atriace | aaah |
| 23:25.33 | Xinhuan | wow uses it C side for frames |
| 23:25.33 | Atriace | I missed that. |
| 23:25.50 | Redguard | effective attribute or not, I can't find the attribute period |
| 23:26.04 | Redguard | so I want to know A. does it not exist B. is it transparent because Im calling it from unsecure code? |
| 23:26.28 | Atriace | Wait, why would they need a unique identifier as a subtable variable? I thought you couldn't have more than one frame of the same name in WoW? |
| 23:26.30 | Amarande | hmm, according to warcraft census, you are not allowed to roll horde characters on dreadmaul |
| 23:26.40 | Xinhuan | what do you mean by "active unit" and "active spell"? |
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| 23:26.58 | Ackis | attention females: http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n89/Ackis/Cloud/100_1787.jpg |
| 23:27.13 | Redguard | Xinhuan: if i put moonfire on ActionButton1, i want to get Moonfire, if i have a macro which does /cast Moonfire, I want it to return Moonfire |
| 23:27.18 | Arrowmaster | Atriace: you dont have to name frames at all |
| 23:27.21 | Dewin | that's the same keyboard I have. |
| 23:27.30 | Redguard | if I use /cast [target=focus] Moonfire, I want the Unit to return focus for the macro |
| 23:27.45 | Redguard | WoW has to be parsing the macros to keep track of the Units for a button |
| 23:27.49 | Redguard | but I can't seem to find where.. |
| 23:28.00 | Lunessa | Ackis: No fair using the fluffy kitties to get an advantage. Seriously. |
| 23:28.11 | Redguard | instead of me having to parse a macro myself everytime it calls _Update, I'd rather use blizzard's variables keeping state of things |
| 23:28.14 | Atriace | Alright, yeah I remember that. So only in the absence of frame name does the unique identifier become pertinent to a programmer? |
| 23:28.47 | Yssaril | Redguard: i belive its done in C so we cant access it |
| 23:28.54 | Arrowmaster | you dont need to worry about it at all |
| 23:28.55 | Xinhuan | Redguard: i don't think wow has any way of doing it for lua side |
| 23:29.01 | Redguard | .. |
| 23:29.08 | Redguard | alestane can you confirm this? |
| 23:29.12 | Redguard | alestane told me I could :( |
| 23:29.16 | Arrowmaster | infact its inpossible to do anything to userdata from the lua side |
| 23:29.18 | Redguard | evil evil.. |
| 23:29.25 | Xinhuan | well, i'm not entirely sure ;p |
| 23:29.35 | Xinhuan | but i haven't come across any function that can do what you want |
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| 23:29.39 | Redguard | alestane seems pretty busy, that's why I'm trying to wait for a response on more depth here |
| 23:29.43 | Redguard | yea |
| 23:29.55 | Redguard | well most of that functionality I have built myself from scratch, but if there are cleaner ways to do it |
| 23:30.01 | Yssaril | Redguard: you need to make your own macro parser i think :) |
| 23:30.04 | Redguard | I'd like to change the code now rather than keep reinventing the wheel |
| 23:30.08 | Redguard | (did that already) |
| 23:30.34 | dokomar | hey i have a question for you addon makers... how did you all learn to write in lua? did you just pick up a refrence manual and start reading or did you go with schooling? what did you do? |
| 23:30.50 | Amarande | dokomar: there's a book you can get for about $30 or so about World of Warcraft Programming |
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| 23:31.00 | dokomar | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons |
| 23:31.02 | dokomar | that one? |
| 23:31.04 | Redguard | i was beaten with lua books while sleeping |
| 23:31.05 | Amarande | Yeah, that one |
| 23:31.16 | Redguard | and they left blue prints on my forehead |
| 23:31.19 | Amarande | Though I'm fuzzy on just how much extra has to be learned beyond the book due to patch changes since then |
| 23:31.20 | Yssaril | dokomar: just started hacking some small things and went bigger from there (and asked alot of questions) |
| 23:31.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: bleh, "The Underbelly" subzone of dalaran the sewer pipes. including ones you CANT fly in. fuck you blizzard. >< |
| 23:31.26 | Ackis | http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n89/Ackis/Cloud/100_1782.jpg I couldn't get a murky in wow so I got a kitten and called it murky :P |
| 23:31.27 | Amarande | like, what things will break if you go strictly by the book |
| 23:32.01 | dokomar | i was looking into getting that book acxtually |
| 23:32.28 | Xinhuan | can you tell me why you want a "effective unit/spell" for? |
| 23:32.52 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: the book was written for 2.3, so the combatlog from 2.4 isnt included |
| 23:33.15 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: just try parsing the new calendar then you get to really swear at blizzard :) |
| 23:33.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: heh, no thanks. ;) |
| 23:33.55 | dokomar | lol ironically all this spawned for me because i wanted to try and fix an addon i liked that the original programmer hasnt touched on since feb |
| 23:34.07 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: most of the code there is local so you have to duplicate most of it and then one of the key functions is protected(for no reason that i can see) |
| 23:34.07 | Xinhuan | addon name? |
| 23:34.14 | dokomar | levelwiz |
| 23:34.49 | Redguard | Xinhuan an addon i made |
| 23:34.54 | Redguard | Xinhuan it must know.. |
| 23:35.05 | Xinhuan | yeah, i mean, why? |
| 23:35.09 | Redguard | i modify action bars based on those state variables, that's why |
| 23:35.18 | Xinhuan | what are you using it for |
| 23:35.26 | Redguard | custom functionality |
| 23:35.27 | Amarande | hmm, anything major (in the sense of Things Will Break If You Forget) change in Lua between 2.3 and 3.0 besides the 2.4 combatlog and 3.0 secure frames + requirement to support Death Knights? |
| 23:35.32 | dokomar | i've swiftly discovered thou that it seems that after i am sucessfuly able to code in lua i should be able to build a nasa grade rocketship by myself with only household appliances... :/ |
| 23:35.37 | Redguard | it's part of my DR tracking module |
| 23:35.50 | Yssaril | alright off to dinner will start hacking at your tooltipscannning code after NightHawkTheSane :) btw does stableboy support AQ mounts? |
| 23:36.08 | Xinhuan | Amarande: major no, minor heaps of small functions got renamed, or have extra "self" arguments passed in, smoe API have extra return values slotted in, etc |
| 23:36.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: probably not. i thought about that, but i figured it wasn't a pressing need. |
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| 23:37.20 | Redguard | Xinhuan the concept of why should be trivial and not important though |
| 23:37.25 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, thinking about it, it may even bork up those, parsing them as generic 60% ground moounts.. i should fix that. |
| 23:37.45 | Xinhuan | Redguard: actually the "why" can be important because sometimes there are alternate/different ways of doing the same thing |
| 23:37.53 | Redguard | Xinhuan fair enough |
| 23:38.13 | Xinhuan | so why? heh |
| 23:38.28 | Redguard | well given i track data on units based on spells cast, potential spells, etc |
| 23:38.37 | Redguard | i already explained why, unfortunately |
| 23:38.42 | Redguard | it might not make sense to you |
| 23:38.45 | Xinhuan | i think that's quite vague |
| 23:38.49 | Xinhuan | got an example? |
| 23:38.50 | Redguard | it's a DR tracker that modifies action bars |
| 23:38.56 | Redguard | yes |
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| 23:39.14 | Redguard | you cast sheep on a warrior - your sheep button now has a green border around it DR 1/3 |
| 23:39.21 | Redguard | you sheep him again, it is yellow DR 2/3 |
| 23:39.35 | Redguard | you hold shift and your sheep button (which is a macro) now changes target=focus |
| 23:39.48 | Sixen | lol@maaven not knowing BML. |
| 23:39.50 | Xinhuan | ok now, why does this border need to have anything to do with secure buttons? |
| 23:39.51 | Redguard | your sheep button targets a druid, which has DR 0/3, your sheep button now has no border |
| 23:40.16 | Redguard | Xinhuan because I am trying to obtaina the active spell and unit of a button, macro or spell |
| 23:40.21 | Redguard | cast sequence etc. |
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| 23:40.42 | Redguard | all state variables blizzard should have already calculated internally, I was told the secure action bar/buttons already store this information |
| 23:40.45 | Redguard | but I am unable to find it |
| 23:40.48 | Xinhuan | the border should just change color based on your current target (use event PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED), and you can just register for SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS and listen for the correct spell |
| 23:40.55 | Redguard | wrong |
| 23:41.12 | Redguard | as it is based on more depth than that |
| 23:41.18 | Xinhuan | explain then |
| 23:41.22 | Redguard | focus and self modifier, and macro targets |
| 23:41.28 | Redguard | of static and references |
| 23:41.36 | Duman | jesus |
| 23:41.38 | Redguard | are all followed |
| 23:41.46 | Xinhuan | you can securehook ActionButtonUpdate |
| 23:41.46 | Duman | my battlegroup is completely fubar |
| 23:41.47 | Redguard | as well as any button or buttons which share the same DR type |
| 23:41.55 | Redguard | Xinhuan which is already done |
| 23:42.05 | NightHawkTheSane | lua has no "next" or "continue" statement, does it? |
| 23:42.07 | Xinhuan | so if the updated graphic is a sheep icon, just check what your current player target is |
| 23:42.16 | Redguard | Xinhuan and im having to parse the macro body every time ActionButtonUpdate is called |
| 23:42.17 | Xinhuan | NightHawkTheSane, you can use a "hack" to implement continue |
| 23:42.20 | Redguard | which seems inefficient |
| 23:42.33 | Redguard | Xinhuan current player target is not important |
| 23:42.38 | Redguard | as the target can be =anything= |
| 23:42.40 | Xinhuan | for i = 1, 10 do (loop body) end |
| 23:42.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: >.> hack? if it's more obnoxious than setting a flag and using an if.. its not really worth it |
| 23:42.45 | Redguard | target=bob, i have to keep track of bob |
| 23:42.46 | Redguard | not target |
| 23:42.57 | Xinhuan | your loop body does "repeat (body) until true" |
| 23:42.58 | Redguard | target=arena1pet, |
| 23:42.59 | Redguard | etc |
| 23:43.16 | Xinhuan | so when you use "break", it breaks from the repeat-until loop and continues the next iteration |
| 23:43.18 | Redguard | the macro parsing is a bit more advanced than that |
| 23:43.26 | Xinhuan | repeat-until true only runs once |
| 23:43.31 | Xinhuan | as a loop |
| 23:43.32 | Redguard | but yes Xinhuan i check for true statements then parse the conditional options |
| 23:43.36 | Redguard | no |
| 23:43.45 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. thats actually not a terrible hack. |
| 23:43.57 | Xinhuan | its not really a hack, more so a twist of code |
| 23:43.58 | Redguard | some /use items have a GCD, some don't |
| 23:44.07 | Lunessa | Obviously a poor student: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11296487860&sid=1 |
| 23:44.10 | Xinhuan | if you use embedded loops, then its not really possible |
| 23:44.18 | Xinhuan | and you'll need long if-else chains |
| 23:44.19 | Redguard | what are you talking about |
| 23:44.21 | Redguard | what isn't possible |
| 23:44.26 | alestane | Redguard: For an action button, unit = nil means"default behavior: target if applicable, etc. |
| 23:44.29 | Redguard | listen - the macro parsing is already complete |
| 23:44.36 | Redguard | that's not the question |
| 23:44.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: in this particular case, there's only one loop, so its not an issue |
| 23:44.51 | Redguard | alestane yea, but does it return units for macros as well or just spells? |
| 23:45.02 | alestane | If you want to know the current target of a macro (not the same as the target of a button), you'll need to parse the macro yourself using SecureCmdOptionParse. |
| 23:45.08 | Redguard | alestane: also why is GetAttribute("type") returning "action" for macros? |
| 23:45.28 | alestane | Because the button's type is action. The action slot has a mcaro in it. |
| 23:45.31 | Redguard | alestane is SecureCmdOptionsParse meant to be called with the whole body or a cmd by cmd type deal (currently i spit it 1 command at a time) |
| 23:45.41 | Redguard | gotcha |
| 23:45.41 | alestane | Cmd-by-cmd. |
| 23:45.47 | Redguard | ok so the way I'm doing it is valid |
| 23:46.01 | Redguard | alright, I'll just use the modified attribute for the focus and self modifier units |
| 23:46.03 | alestane | You can use "GetActionInfo" to determine that there's a macro there and parse it. |
| 23:46.05 | Redguard | and just assume it's target then |
| 23:46.10 | Redguard | yea that's what I do right now |
| 23:46.27 | Redguard | I got kind of excited I was hoping all this work was already done by blizzard and it was kept in some state variables |
| 23:46.29 | Redguard | I guess not :P |
| 23:46.36 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 23:46.45 | Redguard | I already have code that does this thought |
| 23:46.48 | alestane | The target calculation is being done by Blizz in IsActionInRange, or a similarly named function. |
| 23:46.50 | dokomar | ok i know ive asked this a million times in this room before but ima try to take this thing through a different way... and this time i have advil! :P so.... |
| 23:46.55 | Redguard | it tracks macro changes, targets spell changes etc |
| 23:47.01 | Redguard | so it doesn't set me too far back |
| 23:47.12 | Redguard | alestane hrm 1 sec |
| 23:47.19 | Syzgyn | Is there a basic writeup for using the Blizz UI options panel? |
| 23:47.32 | alestane | Syzgyn: UIOptionsFrame.lua. |
| 23:47.41 | dokomar | can anyone explain to me what this error means? " ..\AddOns\LevelWiz\LevelWiz.lua line 226: |
| 23:47.41 | dokomar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.44 | Syzgyn | alestane: Thanks |
| 23:49.04 | Syzgyn | dokomar: It means on line 226 of that file, theres a reference to the variable CLT thats nil and is trying to be put into a string |
| 23:49.27 | Redguard | yea i lost the function corrently, but there was a function checking the self and focus modifiers and effective attribute for unit alestane |
| 23:49.37 | Redguard | that's the one I was going to use for spells |
| 23:49.42 | Redguard | and keep my macro parsing the same |
| 23:49.57 | Redguard | well, i might use it for macros also .. I have to go test |
| 23:50.08 | Redguard | those modifiers would affect macros too I imagine by default |
| 23:50.13 | Redguard | unless over ridden |
| 23:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf |
| 23:50.20 | ScytheBlade1 | "Subject: Jessica Alba added you as a friend on Facebook..." |
| 23:50.34 | alestane | Only if there's a [] clause (default target) in the macro. |
| 23:50.40 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: Spammers. |
| 23:50.43 | Redguard | alestane yea |
| 23:50.51 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: I kinda hope that's the case |
| 23:50.53 | dokomar | syzgyn: got it |
| 23:51.01 | NightHawkTheSane | the problem with giving money to politicians is that they then think it's okay to call and ask for more. >< |
| 23:51.08 | Redguard | I got a call 4 months ago "hello we are XXX bill collectors calling for Jessica Simpson.." |
| 23:51.31 | Redguard | i had to unfortunately tell them, jessica simpson does not own this number nor does she owe them money, they've been scammed :/ |
| 23:51.31 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: haha, or, it's my friend named Jessica who married a guy last name of Alba. |
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| 23:52.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: that would be awesome of her just for the name, though. ;) |
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| 23:52.22 | dokomar | now i looked on line 226 and found this GameTooltip:AddLine("|cff7fff4cTime on current level: "..WizOptions.CLT.."|r") |
| 23:52.23 | ScytheBlade1 | "You are now friends with Jessica Alba." |
| 23:52.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I swear she married for the name |
| 23:53.33 | dokomar | when i looked into WizOptions.CLT i found this "WizOptions.CLT = SecondsToTime(arg2)" |
| 23:54.36 | dokomar | and when i looked into the arg2 i found the beginning of the function "function ChatFrame_DisplayTimePlayed(arg1,arg2 )" |
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