| 00:00.09 | *** join/#wowuidev dokomar (n=mew_mast@ppp-70-254-29-40.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net) |
| 00:01.03 | |pez| | so I'll just let the blizzard downloader to its job. |
| 00:02.08 | Xinhuan | lol alestane, that sucks |
| 00:03.00 | Mike-N-Go | ckknight: ping |
| 00:03.54 | Neuro_Medivh | I wonder if it would be a good idea to make any DK applying to a guild post a screenshot of their loading screen, so the guild knows who their 55+ is |
| 00:03.55 | |pez| | the point in all of this btw, is me getting closer to the boyfriends level, so when he gets his WotLK expansion, we can play together again. :P |
| 00:04.22 | cladhaire | i should level a warrior to 40 |
| 00:04.26 | cladhaire | so i can help my boyfriend level |
| 00:04.33 | cladhaire | since we only have a few weeks leftr |
| 00:04.47 | Neuro_Medivh | why, you dumping him in a few weeks? |
| 00:04.54 | cladhaire | wotlk |
| 00:04.56 | cladhaire | i'm already 70 |
| 00:04.57 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh |
| 00:04.59 | cladhaire | we want to level together |
| 00:05.17 | |pez| | I'm 61, and the boyfriend is 69. |
| 00:05.29 | Neuro_Medivh | 69, huh huh |
| 00:05.35 | |pez| | -__-' |
| 00:05.48 | Neuro_Medivh | with BC right now, it's super-easy to get through to 70 |
| 00:06.10 | |pez| | Okay? |
| 00:06.25 | cladhaire | Neuro_Medivh: yeah just not as fun when i'm power-leveling |
| 00:06.29 | cladhaire | for me i mean |
| 00:07.06 | Lukian | Neuro_Medivh, good idea |
| 00:07.12 | Neuro_Medivh | what class is he? |
| 00:07.43 | cladhaire | he's a shaman |
| 00:07.54 | Neuro_Medivh | enh or resto? |
| 00:07.58 | cladhaire | enh |
| 00:08.02 | |pez| | I'm gonna go get myself a t-rex like thing when I get ingame! |
| 00:08.05 | Neuro_Medivh | then you should roll a pally |
| 00:08.14 | Neuro_Medivh | pally + enh shaman is a super plevel team |
| 00:08.32 | cladhaire | well i wont hit 40 by the time he's back (tomorrow) |
| 00:09.22 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, clad, how's the inscription business going |
| 00:09.53 | cladhaire | fairly well |
| 00:10.00 | cladhaire | just slow |
| 00:10.06 | Neuro_Medivh | you get your second and/or third research done? |
| 00:10.07 | cladhaire | scare beast/sense undead/frost armor |
| 00:10.15 | Neuro_Medivh | eww, sense undead is icky |
| 00:10.20 | Neuro_Medivh | frost armor is good though |
| 00:10.21 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 00:10.29 | Xinhuan | i still think inscription won't earn as much as gem cutting hehe |
| 00:10.39 | cladhaire | less investment x |
| 00:10.40 | Neuro_Medivh | Xinhuan, this is on a lvl 10 alt |
| 00:10.42 | p3lim | hm |
| 00:10.46 | mikma | gah |
| 00:10.47 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 00:10.54 | cladhaire | i spend like 100g, and make it back instantly |
| 00:10.54 | mikma | soon almost 300 fishes up from orgrimmar :( 1 death |
| 00:10.58 | p3lim | how can i set the first character in a string to caps? |
| 00:11.08 | p3lim | 'hello' to 'Hello' |
| 00:11.14 | Xinhuan | hah mikma, should have done it before patch 3.0 ;p |
| 00:11.21 | Xinhuan | lots of horde fishing too! |
| 00:11.31 | mikma | Xinhuan: 1. :) |
| 00:11.35 | Neuro_Medivh | currently up to 6k in 3 low lvl alts |
| 00:12.23 | Xinhuan | yeah but partly because inscription is still "new" |
| 00:12.42 | Xinhuan | it'll die down in 2 weeks when market becomes saturated |
| 00:13.12 | |pez| | this would be so cute, if one could tame - http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/skins/skin_polarbearcub.html |
| 00:13.17 | |pez| | polarcub, the killer. |
| 00:14.16 | |pez| | same with the little monkey |
| 00:14.25 | mikma | there's 1-2 at the IF Airport |
| 00:14.27 | Yssaril | is there anyway to check if a character is moving aside from checking coordinates? |
| 00:14.31 | mikma | no wait, they are brown |
| 00:15.03 | *** part/#wowuidev alestane (n=nevin@c-76-24-240-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 00:15.04 | |pez| | this one is defenetly ending up in my stable at some point - http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/skins/skin_harkoa.html |
| 00:16.18 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (n=nevin@c-76-24-240-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 00:16.18 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 00:19.51 | mikma | |pez|: humm, i think there's missing the IF airport pet |
| 00:19.57 | mikma | pet=bear |
| 00:21.04 | mikma | i'll go and see |
| 00:21.21 | |pez| | I don't go to IF much ;P |
| 00:21.52 | |pez| | But they seem to have put more thought into the pets now. |
| 00:22.00 | mikma | well airport is off-limits anyway :I |
| 00:22.18 | |pez| | ... airport? :D |
| 00:22.31 | mikma | youtube.com -> ironforge airport ;) |
| 00:26.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Legorol (n=legorol@stud-nat-blk12.trin.cam.ac.uk) |
| 00:26.45 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ |
| 00:28.41 | mikma | nooooo! |
| 00:28.51 | mikma | they have removed the sitting bear + the cubs |
| 00:28.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-171-31-114.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 00:29.00 | mikma | phew! not |
| 00:29.02 | mikma | found em |
| 00:29.29 | |pez| | Hehe |
| 00:29.38 | |pez| | but... there's an airport, which isn't supposed to be accessible... |
| 00:30.03 | mikma | i know :O |
| 00:30.38 | |pez| | I bet Blizzard just adds this stuff when they're bored one day, and hope for people to find it. |
| 00:30.38 | Shirik | Does anyone recognize this error? |
| 00:30.40 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/98781 |
| 00:31.18 | mikma | |pez|: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_101908_033013.jpg :P |
| 00:31.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: from your failed commit, there's a lock in place |
| 00:32.07 | ScytheBlade1 | 'osgi' is already locked |
| 00:32.11 | Shirik | so how do I get it to gtfo? |
| 00:32.17 | ScytheBlade1 | You unlock it! |
| 00:32.23 | ScytheBlade1 | !subversion release lock |
| 00:32.26 | ScytheBlade1 | !g subversion release lock |
| 00:32.27 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Locking <http://tortoisesvn.net/docs/nightly/TortoiseSVN_en/ch05s18.html> |
| 00:32.54 | dokomar | hey all i was wondering if someone could help me out with an addon that no one is supporting anymore, i'd like to fix it up for 3.0.2 so i can use it without errors |
| 00:33.34 | mikma | |pez|: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_101908_033223.jpg <- see menethil harbor on the topleft in the picture :P |
| 00:33.49 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1:Wrong kind of lock |
| 00:33.51 | Shirik | C:\Users\mpdelbuono\Documents\Code\mmoimgr>svn unlock osgi |
| 00:33.51 | Shirik | svn: Working copy 'C:\Users\mpdelbuono\Documents\Code\mmoimgr' locked |
| 00:33.51 | Shirik | svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details) |
| 00:34.01 | ScytheBlade1 | There you have it |
| 00:34.03 | Shirik | This is an atomic op lock, not a lock lock |
| 00:38.47 | nevcairiel | create a new WC imho |
| 00:41.37 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 00:41.45 | dokomar | ne1 able to help me with aome of it's coding? |
| 00:41.55 | dokomar | some^ |
| 00:42.38 | ScytheBlade1 | wowprogramming.com |
| 00:42.42 | ScytheBlade1 | wowwiki.com/API |
| 00:42.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Enjoy |
| 00:42.55 | mikma | w8 m8, u r l8! |
| 00:43.50 | Legorol | dokomar: you might want to start by saying what the addon is, and be specific about what error/issue you are trying to fix |
| 00:44.17 | Legorol | you shouldn't expect a basic introduction to addon programming in this channel, as there are plenty excellent resources for that on the web |
| 00:45.35 | dokomar | lol true legorol, my mistake on that one |
| 00:45.41 | Legorol | mikk: lolwut? |
| 00:46.03 | Legorol | dokomar: you can also get plenty help in here on very basic stuff, it's not that you are not allowed to ask basic questions |
| 00:46.07 | Legorol | just try and be specific |
| 00:46.25 | mikma | Legorol: fix my addon too, thanks. |
| 00:46.27 | Legorol | like: "i don't understand how table indexing works", as opposed to: "teach me how to code in Lua" |
| 00:46.44 | dokomar | kk |
| 00:46.44 | Legorol | mikma: who said i'm fixing anyone's addon :P |
| 00:46.51 | mikma | I DID! |
| 00:50.51 | dokomar | ok well just to clear up some of it then, i am trying to clear up the old levelwiz utility originally designed by a guy named Atravis. right now i've got the addon studio for world of warcraft prog to help me view and edit the code but i am largely unfamilliar with how the programming as a whole works, i understand it somewhat but not enough apparently to make a difference in it |
| 00:51.54 | dokomar | it only has 2 errors in it but i think that if i could understand what the errors mean i might be able to fix it from there |
| 00:52.10 | dokomar | the first is the following "attempt to concatenate field 'CLT' (a nil value) |
| 00:52.10 | dokomar | " |
| 00:52.33 | kd3 | that's just as it states... look for where CLT's supposed to be getting defined. it isn't |
| 00:52.43 | kd3 | values not defined are treated as nulls |
| 00:53.57 | dokomar | hmmm... well i understand it now... lol |
| 00:54.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (n=funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 00:56.18 | NightHawkTheSane | this is pertty neat: http://www.ian.org/HD-Clock/ |
| 00:57.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-171-31-114.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 00:58.17 | mikma | didn't i paste the video of the same clock 2 nights ago |
| 00:58.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Xain (n=Mitchell@c-67-171-210-54.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 00:58.26 | Xain | Anyone on? |
| 00:58.35 | NightHawkTheSane | did you? i may have missed it. i just saw it on reddit a minute ago |
| 00:59.05 | Xain | Anyone here know if you can write an addon that will write to a file? |
| 00:59.07 | NightHawkTheSane | also: kitty vs toothbrush. hilarity ensues. http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3083431/8784532 |
| 00:59.10 | Xain | so i can log chat info |
| 00:59.18 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.26 | kd3 | addons are not allowed to access the underlying filesystem |
| 00:59.49 | Xain | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.12 | kd3 | intentionally. wow exists in a sandbox. chatlog is one of the few ways around it, but they still limit it to non-real-time access |
| 01:00.24 | kd3 | real-time writing just defeats the purpose of keeping wow in a sandbox |
| 01:00.57 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: That's fricking awesome |
| 01:01.09 | Xain | i wouldnt say that |
| 01:01.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: yes, yes it is. |
| 01:01.23 | Xain | real time would be awesome. I want to make a program that reads the chatlogs real time |
| 01:01.31 | kd3 | which is exploitable |
| 01:01.39 | Xain | so i can make a plugin for trillian or code my own chat program that reads the logs |
| 01:01.49 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (n=sioraioc@206.114.23.98) |
| 01:02.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-171-31-114.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 01:03.15 | Legorol | Xain: not possible, on purpose, and if it was, it would be a violation of the ToU to use any holes that make it possible. |
| 01:03.20 | Legorol | So I'd forget about it. |
| 01:03.43 | Xain | well im not going to. even if i have to make my program read from memory |
| 01:03.56 | kd3 | even a bigger violation of the ToU, that |
| 01:04.10 | Xain | big deal. not detectible |
| 01:04.21 | kd3 | funny how glider users keep getting banned |
| 01:04.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep thinking that, but uh |
| 01:04.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't say we didn't tell you so |
| 01:04.28 | NightHawkTheSane | really? cause im pretty sure blizzard just won a pretty big lawsuit against glider for doing precisely that |
| 01:04.41 | ScytheBlade1 | (Others have been banned for less, which was also "undetectable") |
| 01:05.02 | Xain | reading memory is not detectible, write to it is... |
| 01:05.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep thinking that |
| 01:05.08 | Xain | nig difference |
| 01:05.09 | Shirik | Are you nuts, Xain? |
| 01:05.16 | Shirik | Do you know what a segfault/access violation is? |
| 01:05.31 | ScytheBlade1 | We'll keep saying the same thing: that doesn't mean you're right |
| 01:05.33 | Shirik | I'm fairly certain if it wasn't detectable then the OS wouldn't be able to catch that and respond to it, no? |
| 01:05.52 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly|Ghost (n=chatzill@66-169-186-78.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 01:05.56 | Shirik | Granted those are caught by GPFs |
| 01:05.57 | Shirik | but still |
| 01:06.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Xain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_(software) |
| 01:06.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Xain: in ur computer, watchin' ur bits and what they do |
| 01:06.45 | Xain | lmao |
| 01:07.00 | Xain | thanks for the humor |
| 01:07.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep laughing then. Just don't be too surprised when your account goes poof |
| 01:07.27 | kd3 | do let us know when you're done. I'm sure the hacks team would love a new toy to break |
| 01:07.39 | Xain | oh no, i dont want to loose my lvl 45 hunter!!! OMG |
| 01:07.45 | Shirik | Btw, Xain, this channel is strongly against breaking the ToU |
| 01:07.51 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: meh, 10:1 odds he doesn't figure out how to do it in the first place. |
| 01:07.56 | Shirik | So unless you have something better to talk about, I suggest you be quiet. NightHawkTheSane: I agree |
| 01:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Xain: Shirik makes a good point, we every so often have blizzard employees in here. |
| 01:08.41 | Shirik | We also often have Freenode employees in here |
| 01:08.45 | dokomar | ok well i found the line where swatter pointed me to but i'm not understanding at all these values in the debug data |
| 01:08.51 | dokomar | [string "*:OnEnter"]:1: |
| 01:08.51 | dokomar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.01 | |Jelly| | We also have trolls. |
| 01:09.07 | ScytheBlade1 | We do |
| 01:09.49 | Shirik | and funny thing about freenode is that they have policy against these types of topics. |
| 01:10.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Xain: we can keep going back and forth. Long story short: what you want to do is against the rules, and they actively scan for such things. That is all |
| 01:10.09 | Xain | meh. a ton of help you guys where. and like i care if blizzard employees are in here. I'm out. think i will head to a more knowledgeable channel. |
| 01:10.15 | |Jelly| | against trolls?! |
| 01:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | hah |
| 01:10.25 | Shirik | I don't really have reason to let him come back, do I? |
| 01:10.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-171-31-114.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 01:10.32 | ScytheBlade1 | none |
| 01:10.34 | |Jelly| | All I heard "blah blah blah, I'm a moron. blah blah blah" |
| 01:10.39 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!*@c-67-171-210-54.hsd1.or.comcast.net] by Shirik |
| 01:10.52 | Cairenn | from the little tiny bit I saw (about to scroll back) ... no |
| 01:11.13 | |Jelly| | Can I get the tl;dr version? I wasn't in the channel when he was apparently going on |
| 01:11.24 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|: he wants to read memory, and thinks that he won't be caught |
| 01:11.34 | |Jelly| | Yeah ... good luck with all that. |
| 01:11.35 | Shirik | "I can make 3rd party program glider suxed Blizzard can't detect me" |
| 01:12.06 | |Jelly| | Why on earth do people think that "WoWUIDev" would be a good place to ask about things like that? |
| 01:12.21 | dokomar | so what do those lines i posted above mean? is that where i should look or is it in a different area? |
| 01:12.41 | |Jelly| | ...and then the absolute best part is when they insinuate that you're all idiots because you wont help them |
| 01:13.38 | nevcairiel | you should ask the people commenting on my addons on curse what an idiot i am for not doing what tehy want! |
| 01:13.56 | kd3 | <3 the entitlement syndrome |
| 01:14.03 | |Jelly| | ^^ |
| 01:14.18 | |Jelly| | Anyone have any idea how much candy you have to eat to get sick? |
| 01:14.41 | kd3 | 5-10 |
| 01:14.43 | kd3 | not much |
| 01:14.48 | kd3 | kill the horseman, you'll get plenty |
| 01:15.03 | |Jelly| | And it can be any kind, right? (So long as it's the hallows end candy obviously) |
| 01:15.07 | nevcairiel | sometimes you get sick after 2 |
| 01:15.18 | kd3 | no. it's gotta specifically be the type named |
| 01:15.23 | TecnoBrat | I would have banned him long before you let him leave, lol |
| 01:15.24 | nevcairiel | Only Tricky Treat works |
| 01:15.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 01:15.37 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 01:15.47 | |Jelly| | Where the hell are "tricky treats" from then? lol |
| 01:16.04 | batrick | you get them from HH |
| 01:16.09 | Shirik | I got em at horseman |
| 01:16.10 | batrick | after killing him and standing over his corpse |
| 01:16.15 | batrick | you get about 30 |
| 01:16.22 | |Jelly| | oh |
| 01:16.33 | nevcairiel | yeah, at the position where his head was, its raining candy |
| 01:16.35 | nevcairiel | just stand there |
| 01:16.37 | TecnoBrat | When he said "<Xain> big deal. not detectible", I woulda banned him :P |
| 01:16.47 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, mana gems are no longer conjured items? |
| 01:16.51 | |Jelly| | Well then. I just went through like 20 various candies. lol |
| 01:17.01 | TecnoBrat | Probably with the message "DETECTED" |
| 01:17.41 | kd3 | night; no. also, you can reconjure if you've got 1 or 2 charges. it'll refresh |
| 01:18.00 | kd3 | instead of having to delete it |
| 01:18.03 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: well my mage isn't that high yet. ;) I just noticed i logged in and the mana gem i had last night is still there |
| 01:20.27 | *** join/#wowuidev ambethia (n=jasper@ip-69-33-234-18.atl.megapath.net) |
| 01:20.54 | Sixen | kd3, the PTR requires the game to be installed, correct? |
| 01:21.00 | kd3 | yes |
| 01:21.04 | Sixen | Mmm, OK., |
| 01:22.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik|Ecole (n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 01:22.47 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik|Ecole] by ChanServ |
| 01:28.32 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (n=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 01:28.33 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 01:28.38 | dokomar | ok now in the line where the error says it cant define CLT is. the CLT actually is pointing as a part of a savedvariables file in the specific character where the addon is active. but the line looks like the other 4 lines do. and seems to do the same thing as the others... or at least that's how it looks like it's set up |
| 01:29.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-171-31-114.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 01:29.30 | Cide | CLT? Cathode Lay Tube? |
| 01:29.38 | dokomar | lol |
| 01:29.57 | dokomar | CLT i believe stands for current level time |
| 01:30.06 | dokomar | in this addon but i may be wrong :P |
| 01:32.17 | dokomar | here maybe this'll explain things better... here's the problem line |
| 01:32.18 | dokomar | GameTooltip:AddLine("|cff7fff4cTime on current level: "..WizOptions.CLT.."|r") |
| 01:32.50 | dokomar | and heres the next line down |
| 01:32.53 | dokomar | GameTooltip:AddLine("|cff7fff4cTime on last level: "..WizOptions.LLT.."|r") |
| 01:33.35 | dokomar | i understand what it's supposed to do... but the error says that the line in question is nulling out CLT |
| 01:33.41 | *** join/#wowuidev JamesJr (n=jameswcr@71-87-226-168.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com) |
| 01:33.46 | Cide | nope |
| 01:33.50 | kd3 | clt needs to be defined before you do that line |
| 01:34.10 | JamesJr | Is Ironforge Airport still accessable? I think it got removed with this patch. |
| 01:34.24 | kd3 | it's still in-game, but I think they fixed the known paths to it |
| 01:34.41 | JamesJr | How is it ingame then? |
| 01:34.46 | Cide | ... |
| 01:34.53 | Cide | if there is an island in the game |
| 01:34.55 | Cide | that you can't swim to |
| 01:34.56 | kd3 | fly from IF to southshore. you'll see it |
| 01:35.06 | Cide | how is that NOT in the game? |
| 01:35.12 | JamesJr | Thanks kd3. |
| 01:35.20 | Cide | np |
| 01:35.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Unregistered (n=Unregist@cpe-71-66-238-106.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 01:35.43 | elite3vil | kd3: I love Medivh, I haven't been able to get into an instance since noon. |
| 01:35.48 | NightHawkTheSane | .. if there's an island in the game that you can't see or reach, does it exist? o_0 |
| 01:35.55 | JamesJr | nope |
| 01:35.56 | Cide | yes |
| 01:36.09 | Cide | see: gm island |
| 01:36.10 | kd3 | elite; no kidding. I got stuck in smgy and had to have a GM bail me out |
| 01:36.11 | dokomar | so WizOptions.clt isnt a proper way to define it? |
| 01:36.23 | kd3 | doko; that's just a reference to it |
| 01:36.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't think metaphysical quandries transfer well over to a digital realm |
| 01:36.34 | Cide | clt and CLT are two different things |
| 01:36.51 | dokomar | sry meant CLT |
| 01:37.04 | AnduinLothar | that silly auto-response msg pings me every time.. |
| 01:37.16 | kd3 | al, for what... 'cosmos'? |
| 01:37.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 01:39.28 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: would you like it off? |
| 01:39.28 | dokomar | but CLT was defined up at the top of the page as to go into a wizoptions.lua in the specific saved variables as it stated in these strings...: |
| 01:39.28 | dokomar | WizOptions={ |
| 01:39.28 | dokomar | ["LLT"]=nil, |
| 01:39.28 | dokomar | ["CLT"]=nil, |
| 01:39.28 | dokomar | ["PD"]=nil, |
| 01:39.28 | dokomar | ["TIS"]=nil, |
| 01:39.29 | dokomar | ["TTP"]=nil, |
| 01:39.30 | dokomar | ["AL"]=nil, |
| 01:39.32 | dokomar | ["LM"]=nil; |
| 01:39.32 | Cide | ... |
| 01:39.34 | dokomar | } |
| 01:39.34 | Cide | STOP |
| 01:39.37 | Cide | ok |
| 01:39.38 | Cide | rule 1 |
| 01:39.42 | kd3 | please don't paste more than 3 lines of text |
| 01:39.43 | Cide | never paste more than 3 lines |
| 01:39.46 | Cide | rule 2 |
| 01:39.48 | sioraiocht | oooh, IRC newbie |
| 01:39.56 | Cide | setting to nil equals removing that variable |
| 01:40.03 | AnduinLothar | rule #1) I Kiel You! |
| 01:40.07 | Tekkub | gist.github.com :P |
| 01:40.14 | sioraiocht | lrn2pastey |
| 01:40.17 | Cide | sioraiocht: s/IRC// |
| 01:40.23 | sioraiocht | Cide: ah |
| 01:40.32 | |Jelly| | They really will eat your face off. |
| 01:40.35 | sioraiocht | oh guess what guys, I think I might actually start writing addons |
| 01:41.48 | sioraiocht | |Jelly|: newbies will? |
| 01:42.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraps (n=chatzill@pool-96-246-12-99.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 01:44.15 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (n=TC@cpe-76-171-31-114.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 01:44.34 | NightHawkTheSane | huh |
| 01:44.46 | dokomar | cide: rules logged ty :) |
| 01:44.59 | NightHawkTheSane | apparently GetUnitPitch returns proper results even while flipping upside down. |
| 01:45.00 | jaxdahl | is it okay if i type more than 3 lines of text? |
| 01:45.16 | Cide | no |
| 01:45.18 | Cide | you have 2 left |
| 01:45.26 | NightHawkTheSane | and, I -think- my calculations my even be translating it somewhat properly into degrees |
| 01:45.30 | jaxdahl | really? |
| 01:45.34 | Cide | 1. |
| 01:45.38 | jaxdahl | i wonder what happens |
| 01:45.42 | Cide | now you're out |
| 01:45.43 | jaxdahl | if i do this |
| 01:45.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ... sweet |
| 01:45.55 | jaxdahl | *gasp* |
| 01:46.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 01:46.34 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 01:46.37 | Cide | see? never do that |
| 01:46.46 | jaxdahl | i apologize |
| 01:46.48 | jaxdahl | it won't happen again |
| 01:46.50 | jaxdahl | i swear |
| 01:50.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Quezacolt (n=chatzill@119.94.28.1) |
| 01:50.48 | AnduinLothar | lol, wut? |
| 01:52.11 | dokomar | i understood that logging something as a nil value made this say it was nil but everything else was written in the same way and they all say a similar thing... so what would be a proper way of finding out the total amount of time one has been on a certian level? |
| 01:52.58 | kd3 | hit /played and look at the response? |
| 01:53.23 | dokomar | lol |
| 01:53.23 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 01:54.41 | dokomar | :sigh: |
| 01:55.26 | dokomar | nvm found the definition.. |
| 01:57.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 01:57.53 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 02:00.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Matrix110| (i=Matrix11@pD957F883.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:00.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Ackis (n=asdf@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis) |
| 02:04.54 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (n=sioraioc@206.114.23.98) |
| 02:06.36 | *** join/#wowuidev selckin (n=selckin@unaffiliated/axxo) |
| 02:10.31 | *** part/#wowuidev Unregistered (n=Unregist@cpe-71-66-238-106.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 02:12.18 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/kamut/3212/20081018.gif |
| 02:13.02 | mikma | Cairenn: check that |
| 02:13.18 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:14.12 | Shirik | >< |
| 02:14.46 | mikma | peep peep peep |
| 02:15.35 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraioc_ (n=sioraioc@206.114.23.98) |
| 02:16.29 | Thunder_Child | ~greet Shirik |
| 02:16.30 | purl | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on Shirik |
| 02:16.33 | Thunder_Child | err... |
| 02:19.04 | *** join/#wowuidev digmouse (n=chatzill@58.217.206.104) |
| 02:20.26 | JamesJr | Auctioneer: For tooltips, is it possible to have the vendor price and the auction price show up? Also, what does unknown deposit costs mean (in the tooltip) |
| 02:21.54 | mikma | norgs: see what he said |
| 02:22.42 | mikma | i'll try to answer while waiting |
| 02:23.16 | mikma | 1) you need to load the auctioneer-data with /auctioneer or so to see the info in tooltip |
| 02:23.40 | mikma | its LoD and doesnt get loaded until you open ah |
| 02:23.59 | JamesJr | Auctioneer is loaded :) |
| 02:24.13 | mikma | unknown is unknown, ned item and the data aint known |
| 02:24.20 | mikma | of course its loaded |
| 02:24.31 | mikma | try /zauctioneer load |
| 02:24.45 | mikma | the addon is loaded, the data aint |
| 02:25.02 | mikma | the data is huge ans gets loaded when needed |
| 02:25.07 | JamesJr | I've already run scans and stuff though, and that command does nor work |
| 02:25.38 | mikma | did you relog in between or reload ui |
| 02:26.06 | JamesJr | No |
| 02:26.37 | mikma | then its something about the new version and i cant help since i already shut down my pc |
| 02:27.01 | JamesJr | How are you chatting exactly? |
| 02:27.15 | mikma | try /auctioneer, or go find the settings in somewhere else (the popupbar on topleft?) |
| 02:27.21 | mikma | Nokia N810 |
| 02:28.48 | JamesJr | Ok, thanks. Is there a page on how to configure auctioneer for standard/simple uses? |
| 02:28.50 | mikma | http://europe.nokia.com/A4568578 |
| 02:29.11 | mikma | try auctioneeraddon.com |
| 02:29.52 | JamesJr | Thanks so very much. You are awesome. I'm just going to remove all the addons and start fresh. |
| 02:29.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Codex| (i=Codex_@CPE001346f71097-CM00159a3f1452.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:30.06 | Codex| | anyone help me make a macro? having some difficulty |
| 02:30.14 | mikma | yeah thats a good thing to do after big patches |
| 02:30.45 | mikma | and sometimes even between, updating stuff and removing all kinds of useless stuff |
| 02:31.05 | mikma | ~asktoask |
| 02:31.06 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 02:31.21 | Codex| | i have a macro |
| 02:31.29 | Codex| | ./cast [button:2] Fireball(Rank 1) |
| 02:31.29 | Codex| | ./cast [nomod:shift] Fireball;[mod:shift] Pyroblast |
| 02:31.39 | Codex| | and i want it to cast pyro on finding the hot streak buff |
| 02:31.53 | mikma | not possible |
| 02:32.09 | Codex| | no? |
| 02:32.09 | Thunder_Child | no intelligent casting |
| 02:32.13 | JamesJr | I have some folders in my addon that say Blizzard_$$%# with the symbols being different...like blizzard_calendar, blizzard_combatlog, etc....are these safe to remove from the addon folder? |
| 02:32.31 | Codex| | theres no detect buff anymore? |
| 02:32.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Ackis (n=asdf@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis) |
| 02:32.44 | Thunder_Child | i mean, if players cant be intelliget, why should the game mechanics? |
| 02:32.55 | mikma | JamesJr: safe to remove. game autocreates them everytime ythey are missing |
| 02:32.57 | Thunder_Child | s/et/ent/ |
| 02:33.34 | JamesJr | Thanks! |
| 02:33.45 | JamesJr | I love yall being so nice and polite to my newbiness |
| 02:34.59 | Thunder_Child | you caught us at a time where most of the assholes are off being people |
| 02:35.09 | Thunder_Child | s/people/assholes to RL people/ |
| 02:35.18 | mikma | but, i am still here Thunder_Child |
| 02:35.30 | Thunder_Child | obviously mikma, you failed |
| 02:35.37 | mikma | like usual |
| 02:35.45 | Thunder_Child | and besides, i said most |
| 02:35.54 | mikma | off i go soon, 05:35 already |
| 02:36.12 | mikma | wife came home 1h ago, drunk as hell |
| 02:36.24 | JamesJr | The only addon i have is auctioneer and cartographer...any other ones i need? |
| 02:36.30 | mikma | now she playes wow and drinks alot of water =D |
| 02:36.40 | Thunder_Child | need? you dont need addons |
| 02:36.50 | JamesJr | any recommended* |
| 02:37.05 | mikma | JamesJr: depends greatly what you are after / what arfe you aiming to do |
| 02:37.19 | JamesJr | to get to level 70 |
| 02:37.34 | mikma | TomTom and TourGuide |
| 02:37.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Dekster_ (n=Dekster@netblock-68-183-40-143.dslextreme.com) |
| 02:37.44 | JamesJr | tomtom!! love that gps system |
| 02:38.01 | mikma | then you will love them together |
| 02:38.28 | Thunder_Child | JamesJr, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php right hand frame that says "download info" at the bottom of it, it has tabs, do top downloads |
| 02:38.40 | mikma | just remember to configure the TG to have correct zone/level |
| 02:38.41 | Thunder_Child | these show you the most popular ones |
| 02:39.00 | mikma | oh, good one. show him the top of the pops |
| 02:39.17 | JamesJr | ok one moment |
| 02:39.58 | mikma | i promise you, you will like tourguide and join the line to kiss Tekkub's ass |
| 02:40.20 | Thunder_Child | ya....hey Cairenn, Dolby; speaking of which, it would be nice if there was a url/link to most pop eg. www.wowinterface.com/downloads/topdownloads.php |
| 02:40.29 | Tekkub | lick |
| 02:40.44 | NightHawkTheSane | is there an easy way to assign a single value to multiple variables, that i'm missing? something like a = b = 1 |
| 02:40.45 | mikma | Tekkub: not until second datea |
| 02:41.10 | JamesJr | So is Tourguide like james's leveling guide, but ingame? |
| 02:41.27 | mikma | NightHawkTheSane: a = 1; b = 1.. lol |
| 02:41.29 | Thunder_Child | mikma, make sure you have a beard when you do that, he likes when it tickles |
| 02:41.42 | mikma | Thunder_Child: touche |
| 02:41.54 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: yeah yeah, i was just hoping for something like what i wrote. ;) |
| 02:42.05 | mikma | JamesJr: yes. except the fact its completely different and ingame! |
| 02:43.06 | mikma | JamesJr: you just open the config and select appropriate level (and zone) and the block tells you what to do =) |
| 02:43.14 | elite3vil | kd3: World server down is FUN! |
| 02:43.19 | JamesJr | ok, thanks! one moment while i get tourguide and tomtom |
| 02:43.44 | kd3 | ek/outland crashed |
| 02:43.57 | kd3 | was waiting for the ratchet->bb boat. it spawned right as 2/3 of the guild went offline |
| 02:43.58 | JamesJr | outland crashed earlier on the duskwood server |
| 02:44.37 | elite3vil | Yeah. I'm *still* trying to get an arc group so I can finish getting honored on this alt. |
| 02:44.42 | mikma | i got ganked again while fishing in org so i orowled and logout =) |
| 02:44.56 | mikma | prowled |
| 02:46.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Atriace (n=OmniZeta@c-71-197-35-92.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 02:46.45 | JamesJr | is atlas better than cartographer? |
| 02:46.58 | kd3 | atlas is only instance maps |
| 02:46.58 | mikma | depends greatly, again |
| 02:47.03 | Atriace | Does anyone know how to update your addon on the new curseforge layout? I'm logged in and looking at my mod, but the buttons to update/upload are completely gone. |
| 02:47.05 | JamesJr | oh, thanks! |
| 02:48.12 | kd3 | huh... taking the ratchet -> BB boat right as ek/outland came back up... probably not the best of ideas |
| 02:48.21 | mikma | Atriace: not sure, but there is also wow.curse.com and curseforge.com |
| 02:48.33 | mikma | Atriace: try the wow.curse.com too |
| 02:48.54 | elite3vil | kd3: have any 70's horde-side? |
| 02:49.18 | JamesJr | Thanks yall, I'm going to try and configure these addons and stuff. |
| 02:49.19 | Atriace | It's the same difference, both take you to your profile page and from there "manage project" takes you to CurseForge |
| 02:49.27 | kd3 | neg. kd3's my only 70 |
| 02:49.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Maven (n=Maven@adsl-69-224-117-101.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 02:50.52 | elite3vil | boring. |
| 02:51.41 | Atriace | nevermind. I found it. |
| 02:51.58 | Atriace | Apparently when switching from curse.com to curseforge.com, it doesn't retain you being logged in. |
| 02:52.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Soulsbane (n=Soulsban@dial-69-55-144-167.sofnet.net) |
| 02:52.25 | Thunder_Child | they are seperate sites |
| 02:52.50 | kd3 | different domains too |
| 02:52.58 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11162617241&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 02:53.01 | ScytheBlade1 | w t f ? |
| 02:53.44 | kd3 | 38 modems? |
| 02:53.56 | ScytheBlade1 | And then the REAL kicker |
| 02:53.59 | Cidan | Do you have to attune for Onyxia anymore? |
| 02:54.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Is how it went from a UI error |
| 02:54.02 | kd3 | no |
| 02:54.04 | Cidan | People are telling me you don't. |
| 02:54.04 | ScytheBlade1 | To 38 modems? |
| 02:54.21 | Cidan | kd3: Was that no to me? |
| 02:54.22 | kd3 | it got pulled since the devs are too lazy to phase the keep |
| 02:54.25 | kd3 | yes |
| 02:54.27 | Cidan | lol |
| 02:54.39 | ScytheBlade1 | That's just impressive |
| 02:55.04 | kd3 | hm... the ship's just doing laps in ratchet's bay |
| 02:55.10 | elite3vil | lol. |
| 02:55.32 | mikma | well |
| 02:55.42 | kd3 | leaves port, goes to where the jump usually happens, stops for a minute. load screen of the bb->ratchet trip, ship respawns on the other end of the bay and returns to port |
| 02:55.48 | mikma | he likes to have a soare modem around in case one breaks |
| 02:56.06 | Cidan | huh |
| 02:56.18 | mikma | spare* |
| 02:56.29 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: clearly |
| 02:56.29 | kd3 | and now kalimdor's down too |
| 02:56.34 | elite3vil | kd3: That was happening on beta |
| 02:56.38 | kd3 | ya |
| 02:56.40 | elite3vil | whenever Northrend went down |
| 02:56.56 | elite3vil | Outland's back up |
| 02:57.00 | elite3vil | I'm picking Netherbloom. |
| 02:57.14 | kd3 | meh. I gotta get to BB. wanna finish of "Well Read" |
| 02:57.14 | elite3vil | while I try to get a group for non-heroic bot. |
| 02:57.21 | mikma | icanhasZZZzzz...nowplz. -> |
| 02:57.22 | elite3vil | er. arc, not bot |
| 02:57.43 | JamesJr | What does a red addon mean in the addon list? |
| 02:57.46 | elite3vil | Yeah, two of those books are alliance only. |
| 02:57.52 | kd3 | don't worry about it this build, james |
| 02:57.58 | JamesJr | ok :) |
| 02:57.59 | elite3vil | one's in the fscking throne room kd3. |
| 02:58.14 | mikma | JamesJr: LoD or outdated |
| 02:58.21 | kd3 | there's a few in the library of the keep. I didn't see one in the throne room itself |
| 02:58.32 | JamesJr | What does LoD mean? |
| 02:58.38 | elite3vil | Load on Demand |
| 02:58.41 | JamesJr | Ok. |
| 02:58.47 | kd3 | LoadOnDemand. means it doesn't load until another addon asks for it. |
| 02:58.57 | mikma | when its needed, it gets loaded =d |
| 02:59.05 | elite3vil | either way, you have to get past the royal guards (level 80 elite) to get the damn book. |
| 02:59.33 | elite3vil | We tried killing .. uh.. whatever her name is in Darnassus last night |
| 02:59.37 | elite3vil | she melted our raid.. |
| 02:59.38 | kd3 | tyrande? |
| 02:59.44 | kd3 | ah, yeah. I heard about that raid |
| 02:59.47 | JamesJr | World Server is down :( |
| 02:59.57 | elite3vil | She was meleeing me for 6.5k |
| 02:59.59 | kd3 | all of the bosses are tuned for 80... >.< |
| 03:00.04 | elite3vil | Yeah |
| 03:00.08 | elite3vil | 6.5k melee swings |
| 03:00.17 | elite3vil | and then a starfall that ticks for 2.5k on the raid |
| 03:00.18 | elite3vil | gg. |
| 03:00.24 | Neuro_Medivh | wow, my server has a queue... first time in a while |
| 03:00.37 | JamesJr | queue....a wait to play? |
| 03:00.42 | JamesJr | I've never had that |
| 03:00.42 | elite3vil | Oh, and she had 5.5M hp, and nobody could hit her.. we got her to 96% |
| 03:00.48 | Neuro_Medivh | beta still borked? |
| 03:00.53 | Maven | anyone understand this error, Interface\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2218: bad argument #1 to 'strsub' (string expected, got nil) ? like what the general cause to that error is? |
| 03:00.54 | kd3 | iunnno |
| 03:00.56 | elite3vil | Yeah, it happened on Medivh on patch day Neuro.. haven't seen it since. |
| 03:00.59 | kd3 | kali's back up. yay rollbacks |
| 03:01.17 | Neuro_Medivh | kd3: northrend server? or live? |
| 03:01.21 | kd3 | live |
| 03:01.47 | kd3 | your old server... as it stands |
| 03:01.48 | elite3vil | YAY "Transfer Aborted: Instance not found" |
| 03:01.50 | Neuro_Medivh | stormwind is a damn lag vortex on antonidas |
| 03:01.51 | elite3vil | yay. |
| 03:02.34 | *** join/#wowuidev NightHawkTheSan1 (n=jonathan@70-56-66-53.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 03:03.12 | kd3 | whee! made it across. now to die in BB since I'm a buccaneer |
| 03:03.26 | elite3vil | rofl. |
| 03:03.35 | elite3vil | hrm, will it flag you if you attack any of them? |
| 03:03.35 | elite3vil | :x |
| 03:03.41 | Dewin | Nope. |
| 03:03.42 | kd3 | flag? nah. they're all hostile |
| 03:03.48 | elite3vil | ah, that's unfortunate. |
| 03:03.53 | Dewin | neutral city guards do not flag you, much to my annoyance |
| 03:03.55 | elite3vil | I was going to come visit on my pally. |
| 03:03.58 | Dewin | I can't defend people who attack them >.> |
| 03:04.20 | Dewin | so... we got the silvermoon city boss down to 75% twice. >.> |
| 03:04.36 | elite3vil | Do they bubble every 25%? |
| 03:04.52 | elite3vil | or pop wings/bubble at the same time, like all retadins do now? |
| 03:05.27 | elite3vil | (I've still yet to switch to ret, just 'cause I know I won't want to go back to holy/prot) |
| 03:05.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh, queues on whisperwind. booo |
| 03:10.48 | JamesJr | does tourguide only go up to lvl 35? |
| 03:12.57 | JamesJr | nevermind... |
| 03:13.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Kirov (n=Kirov@c-67-180-82-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 03:16.19 | Kirov | So, I just found an awesome bug |
| 03:16.35 | Kirov | My guess is people already know it, but ... |
| 03:17.01 | AnduinLothar | mmm it must be dragon night on sci-fi. fun times |
| 03:17.03 | Kirov | if you try to /cast Mount Name and have the ITEM for that mount in your bank, it fails to cast because it's trying to use the item! |
| 03:17.32 | Kirov | Blizzard, in sending me all of my mounts / pets, broke my macros |
| 03:17.45 | AnduinLothar | yeah, just delete them |
| 03:18.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: why did you keep them if you already have them? :P |
| 03:18.28 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - too lazy to type "DELETE" 20 times |
| 03:18.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: you could have deleted the mail they came in :p |
| 03:18.52 | NightHawkTheSane | also, if you use a mod for mounting, it won't break like that |
| 03:19.10 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - I did use an addon for mounting, and it was broken. |
| 03:19.15 | AnduinLothar | my mount macro still doesn't work |
| 03:19.15 | Kirov | (because it uses macrotext) |
| 03:19.16 | NightHawkTheSane | or really, anything that uses CallCompanion() |
| 03:19.26 | Kirov | I use GoGoMount |
| 03:19.31 | Kirov | AutoBar works though |
| 03:19.35 | elite3vil | AnduinLothar: Try deleting the macro and re-typing it |
| 03:20.02 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 an addon that uses macrotext for mounting?> |
| 03:20.02 | *** join/#wowuidev lCamaleon (n=lC@190.72.158.78) |
| 03:20.08 | elite3vil | also, make sure you don't have the word "reins" in there if it's a drake, or "horn" for one of the wolves. |
| 03:20.20 | AnduinLothar | still doesnt work |
| 03:20.30 | lCamaleon | hi!!! i newbe!! |
| 03:20.44 | Kirov | Yeah, still trying to use the non-existant item |
| 03:20.53 | lCamaleon | i got kubunto and wine and install all ready wow |
| 03:21.08 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux/Wine |
| 03:21.11 | lCamaleon | but i can see the graphc only sound!! |
| 03:21.26 | kd3 | as long as you've got a post-1.0 version of wine and the proprietary drivers properly installed it'll work out of the box |
| 03:21.27 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - GoGoMount is old |
| 03:21.29 | kd3 | double-check your drivers |
| 03:21.50 | *** join/#wowuidev ievil (n=test@149.254.200.244) |
| 03:21.53 | JamesJr | What causes the screen to shake? I was in IF |
| 03:22.03 | kd3 | core-hound type hunter pets |
| 03:22.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: ah, yeah, there's a number of newer mods for mounting, that use CallCompanion(), which is reasonably foolproof :p |
| 03:22.34 | ievil | anyone know what OptionsFrame.lua was replaced by? |
| 03:22.36 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - I'm sure there are, but this seems like a reasonably broken thing. |
| 03:22.38 | lCamaleon | callcomanion??? |
| 03:22.57 | batrick | It'd be nice if there was a GetMountSpeed(ind) function |
| 03:23.00 | batrick | so it'd be easier to sort |
| 03:23.20 | NightHawkTheSane | batrick: imo, GetCompanionInfo needs to return type/speed for mounts. |
| 03:23.27 | batrick | or that |
| 03:23.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: eh, thats debatable. I mean, /cast has to be able to operate on items as well as spells, and its a matter of what priority they're in. I dont think either is strictly better or worse. It's just that one causes this fairly minor glitch. :p |
| 03:24.03 | ievil | stuff like UICheckButtonTemplate and OptionsFrame_EnableCheckBox is gone from 3.0.2 and wasnt mentioned in the API changes |
| 03:28.14 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: if you append () to it like '/cast Mount spell name ()' it will always cast the spell |
| 03:28.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: ooh, good point. |
| 03:29.45 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - when it's trying to use an item that the player does not have ... it's a bug |
| 03:30.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: .. didn't you say you HAD the item, though, because you have the replacements blizz sent? |
| 03:30.45 | Kirov | In my bank, not on my character. |
| 03:30.52 | Kirov | And after deleting them it didn't fix it. |
| 03:31.08 | Kirov | It required a full log out and remaking the macro |
| 03:31.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't recall you saying it was in your bank. |
| 03:31.14 | Kirov | after deleting them |
| 03:31.30 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, if its an item you don't have, its a bug. if its an item you do, its not. *shrug* |
| 03:33.57 | *** join/#wowuidev |Yssaril| (n=Yssaril@adsl-99-145-19-62.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:34.54 | elite3vil | outland down again. yay. |
| 03:40.57 | kd3 | so is EK |
| 03:42.25 | elite3vil | *closes wow for the night* |
| 03:43.48 | dokomar | it looks like i need a little more help breaking down this error "attempt to concatenate field 'CLT' (a nil value)" i understand it means it could not define CLT properly but what i dont understand is that CLT is defined in WizOptions as "WizOptions.CLT = SecondsToTime(arg2)" but perhaps i'm not understanding correctly... |
| 03:44.35 | *** part/#wowuidev lCamaleon (n=lC@190.72.158.78) |
| 03:44.42 | ievil | SecondsToTime(arg2) returns? |
| 03:45.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Erit (i=sentod@u106-93.iti.lt) |
| 03:45.15 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 03:45.35 | dokomar | it's tied under this "function ChatFrame_DisplayTimePlayed(arg1,arg2 )" which seems to be another error i need to work on |
| 03:45.55 | dokomar | as per this "bad argument #1 to 'floor' (number expected, got table)" |
| 03:46.07 | Erit | hi 2 all.. mb who can help fix Cartographer_QuestInfo ? |
| 03:46.35 | ievil | dokomar, means the varible sent as arg1 is not a number, but table |
| 03:46.43 | ievil | look at where you use it |
| 03:47.04 | Erit | ppl plz..who now lua..help me (( |
| 03:47.41 | Erit | Cartographer_QuestInfo have error Interface\AddOns\Cartographer_QuestInfo\Map.lua:41: attempt to index local 'CN' (a nil value) |
| 03:48.02 | kd3 | CN isn't getting defined, or is getting defined as nil |
| 03:48.12 | dokomar | so make it stop being a table and back to a number? |
| 03:48.22 | ievil | yea |
| 03:48.45 | ievil | or pass a field from the table |
| 03:48.51 | ievil | player.start |
| 03:49.43 | dokomar | hmmm... i allready know that if i take out arg1,arg2 out of ChatFrame_DisplayTimePlayed(arg1,arg2 ) that the error i get on the load dissappears |
| 03:50.24 | ievil | but then it wont show your time played |
| 03:51.06 | Erit | in Map.lua local CN = Cartographer_Notes line 41 titleCol = CN.getColorID(1, 0.5, 0) what wrong? |
| 03:51.46 | kd3 | is "Cartographer_Notes" deifned? |
| 03:51.48 | ievil | missing Cartographer_Notes ? |
| 03:52.12 | ievil | anyone know what OptionsFrame.lua was replaced by? :) |
| 03:52.27 | kd3 | ~framexml |
| 03:52.28 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 03:52.37 | kd3 | check the comparison from 2.4.3 to 3.0.2 at wowcompares |
| 03:52.38 | Erit | Cartographer_Notes enabled and work |
| 03:52.45 | ievil | kd3, the file was removed |
| 03:52.59 | kd3 | yes. but compares will list the replacements... |
| 03:53.01 | ievil | which leaves a bit of mind boggle |
| 03:53.09 | ievil | kd3, not when the full file is removed |
| 03:53.56 | kd3 | - OptionsFrame.lua +OptionsFrameTemplates.lua |
| 03:53.58 | kd3 | among others |
| 03:54.03 | kd3 | http://wowcompares.com/3029056?diff=2438606 |
| 03:54.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Tenchworks (n=none@69.182.189.143) |
| 03:55.02 | dokomar | so would i write "arg1(player.start)" |
| 03:56.11 | ievil | arg1 = player.start |
| 03:56.36 | ievil | u want arg1 to be one of the valuables in your table |
| 03:56.44 | ievil | what is the table named? |
| 03:56.53 | ievil | actually it'd be player[x].start |
| 03:57.58 | dokomar | well here's the line of code with the problem in it |
| 03:57.59 | dokomar | GameTooltip:AddLine("|cff7fff4cTime on current level: "..WizOptions.CLT.."|r") |
| 03:58.13 | dokomar | i imagine it's Wizoption.CLT |
| 03:58.25 | dokomar | WizOptions.CLT^ |
| 03:58.27 | *** part/#wowuidev Erit (i=sentod@u106-93.iti.lt) |
| 03:59.27 | Dewin | Niiiiice server glitch |
| 03:59.32 | Dewin | Isle of Quel'Danas reset to stage 1. |
| 03:59.42 | ievil | kd3, prolly a bit blind but I dont find any replacement for OptionsFrame_EnableCheckBox/UICheckButtonTemplate |
| 03:59.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Erit (i=sentod@u106-93.iti.lt) |
| 03:59.46 | ievil | ;) |
| 04:00.07 | ievil | dokomar, what does WizOption look like? |
| 04:00.41 | dokomar | starts like this |
| 04:00.43 | dokomar | WizOptions={ |
| 04:01.16 | dokomar | and then there are about 6-7 lines with different abbreviations in them this ome's the CLT one |
| 04:01.27 | dokomar | ["CLT"]=nil, |
| 04:05.39 | kd3 | ievil; http://wowcompares.com/3029056/FrameXML/OptionsPanelTemplates.xml ? |
| 04:05.57 | kd3 | OptionsCheckButtonTemplate |
| 04:06.38 | *** part/#wowuidev Erit (i=sentod@u106-93.iti.lt) |
| 04:06.46 | kd3 | better yet; take a look at how the 3.0 options UI does it? it's all in there somewhere |
| 04:07.35 | ievil | kd3, been reading that page all day in between servercrashes and RL ;) |
| 04:07.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-171-31-114.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 04:09.41 | *** join/#wowuidev aestil (n=holycall@cpe-76-95-133-5.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 04:14.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Tenchworks (n=none@69.182.189.143) |
| 04:24.40 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: poke |
| 04:24.45 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 04:24.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Are you on the Doomhammer server? |
| 04:26.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Because I totally just poked a paladin named Anduinlothar running in circles around SW |
| 04:26.17 | AnduinLothar | thats me |
| 04:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, small world :P |
| 04:31.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Codex| (i=Codex_@CPE001346f71097-CM00159a3f1452.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 04:32.18 | Codex| | ~seen xinhuan |
| 04:32.20 | purl | xinhuan is currently on #wowhead (7d 8h 6m 36s) #wowuidev (7d 8h 6m 36s) #wowace (7d 8h 6m 36s). Has said a total of 2109 messages. Is idling for 3h 52m 6s, last said: 'how about just call it minitablet'. |
| 04:32.59 | Codex| | anyone know if xinhuan ever finished his missing flight path addon? |
| 04:46.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Redguard (n=Redguard@108.177.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 04:46.42 | Redguard | why if i use hooksecurefunc("test", myhookfunction) i get arguments passed to the function |
| 04:46.47 | *** part/#wowuidev Tenchworks (n=none@69.182.189.143) |
| 04:47.00 | Redguard | but say it's hooksecurefunc("test", addon.myhookfunction) i don't |
| 04:47.31 | Redguard | if i have a function inside a table, how can i pass it as a reference and still obtain the same function arguments |
| 04:47.55 | Redguard | hooksecurefunc("test", addon.myhookfunction) calls it, just (self) is nil everytime, where as when the function is not in a table |
| 04:48.00 | Redguard | self is defined properly |
| 04:50.56 | Shirik | ok.......... |
| 04:51.00 | Shirik | There is a 1 slot bag |
| 04:51.01 | Shirik | wtf |
| 04:51.12 | kd3 | yup |
| 04:51.22 | NightHawkTheSane | most useless bag ever. |
| 04:52.05 | Redguard | so the 1 slot bag is interesting |
| 04:52.10 | Arrowmaster | Redguard: dont define the function as addon:myhookfunction then but as addon.myhookfunction |
| 04:52.24 | Redguard | what is the difference |
| 04:52.25 | Sixen | @kd3: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11296624822 -- perhaps a QFT on me? |
| 04:52.36 | Redguard | i will try that though |
| 04:52.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Zokudu (n=Matt@pool-71-245-114-239.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) |
| 04:52.41 | Sixen | Normally i'm all for workarounds and such.. But in this situation? Screw that. |
| 04:52.50 | Redguard | i see functions such as self:GetID() etc |
| 04:52.56 | Redguard | why shouldn't mine be in the same syntax |
| 04:53.03 | ScytheBlade1 | That is a horrible idea |
| 04:53.10 | Zokudu | hello |
| 04:53.30 | Arrowmaster | Redguard: because theres a major difference in what really happens |
| 04:53.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: +1 |
| 04:53.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Also sleep |
| 04:54.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Redguard: perhaps you should investigate lua method notation and understand the difference between table.method and table:method. :) |
| 04:54.17 | Zokudu | excuse me i need help with using oUF I'm a little confused and thought I might be able to get help in here |
| 04:54.27 | Redguard | i will indeed |
| 04:56.30 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3, Sixen: did you see the reply in that thread after kd3's post, makes me die a little inside |
| 04:56.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Cairenn (n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 04:56.37 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 04:56.50 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 or, it was there a minute ago.. |
| 04:56.51 | kd3 | it got deleted. what'd it say? |
| 04:57.13 | NightHawkTheSane | something like "why doesn't blizzard just tell us to do this instead of making us spend 18 hours downloading a new client" |
| 04:57.14 | ScytheBlade1 | mod your realmlist.wtf on your live client to point to the beta servers |
| 04:57.21 | ScytheBlade1 | it apparently works |
| 04:58.02 | Sixen | Yeah, <3. |
| 04:59.57 | Sixen | Sbo's reply was win. |
| 05:00.18 | Slackwise | I guess this would be the place to ask... does anyone know a mod that simply docks mods against edges and lets you dock other mods? |
| 05:00.28 | Zokudu | im really sorry id anyone able to help me out? |
| 05:00.42 | Shirik | Slackwise: edges? |
| 05:00.42 | Zokudu | is* |
| 05:00.46 | Shirik | You're talking about voltage levels? |
| 05:02.00 | Sixen | Oh, I missed post 7. |
| 05:06.20 | Slackwise | Shirik: Edges of the screen, edges of other mods, etc. |
| 05:06.39 | Shirik | oh, docks |
| 05:06.45 | Shirik | I read clocks |
| 05:06.51 | Slackwise | lol |
| 05:07.00 | Slackwise | Pretty easy mistake, depending on your font. :P |
| 05:10.09 | NeoTron | cog|away: BuyEmAll needs a patch due to the change of the OnAccept callback.. |
| 05:11.00 | AnduinLothar | since a few days ago? |
| 05:17.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Toadkiller (n=dnester@adsl-99-188-166-150.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:19.11 | Zokudu | anyone able to help me out with a problem with oUF? |
| 05:20.59 | Shirik | So, what's the deal with the headless horseman? |
| 05:21.04 | Shirik | Why does he want to kill all these people? |
| 05:21.11 | Shirik | He keeps talking about "justice" and "righteousness" |
| 05:25.53 | Nechckn | He's headless, so missing a brain... maybe that's why? |
| 05:26.03 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe he's V's body? |
| 05:26.17 | NightHawkTheSane | but, you know, without the head. and with a horse. |
| 05:26.24 | NightHawkTheSane | and halloween themed. |
| 05:26.55 | Nechckn | heheheh |
| 05:29.13 | Redguard | alright, so : is just a lazy way to prefix function arguments with self, ... |
| 05:29.14 | Redguard | fair enough |
| 05:31.42 | Redguard | i appreciate the people in here helping me, to help myself |
| 05:32.53 | *** join/#wowuidev ievil- (n=test@149.254.200.246) |
| 05:33.45 | Zokudu | does anyone know how to load a layoutin oUF? |
| 05:34.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (n=Yssaril@adsl-99-145-19-62.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:36.54 | Arrowmaster | Redguard: there are some internal optimizations that make using : slightly faster than just starting the arguments with self, |
| 05:38.51 | Redguard | so im guessing using : would be a down side if self is not needed |
| 05:39.58 | Redguard | i dont have an environment setup to benchmark that |
| 05:39.59 | *** part/#wowuidev Zokudu (n=Matt@pool-71-245-114-239.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) |
| 05:39.59 | Redguard | still reading about lua though, it's interesting |
| 05:39.59 | MentalPower | unlikely |
| 05:40.02 | MentalPower | since stack locals are "free" pretty much |
| 05:40.09 | MentalPower | and self is just another stack local |
| 05:40.14 | Redguard | ok |
| 05:40.48 | MentalPower | foo:bar() is the same as foo.bar(foo) without the extra lookup for the second foo |
| 05:41.19 | Redguard | ya |
| 05:41.44 | Redguard | im still trying to figure out secure handlers and such in WOW |
| 05:41.49 | Redguard | before i worry about optimizing too much |
| 05:42.05 | Redguard | i don't quite have a handle on how to get targets/units from action buttons yet |
| 05:42.21 | Redguard | which would be really helpful, right now im calculating all of that myself which is counter productive |
| 05:42.35 | Redguard | since i know WoW stores all this information anyway, i just need to get it |
| 05:42.43 | Redguard | messing with that right now |
| 05:56.19 | Shirik | clad|away: tiny tiny issue with clique: When showing glyphs, all the tabs on the spellbook go away except clique's |
| 05:56.31 | Shirik | I think it's sensible to say that clique should follow pattern and go away as well, just a though |
| 05:56.33 | Shirik | thought* |
| 05:57.53 | Xinhuan | cog|away around? heh |
| 06:01.19 | Shirik | Pop quiz: Is there an AV exploit floating around? |
| 06:01.37 | Shirik | Some reports on my server of flags being capped barely after the gates open |
| 06:01.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: yes |
| 06:02.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: you are able to use the Frostwolf/Stormpike insignia to 'hearth' to your base before the match startes |
| 06:02.29 | NightHawkTheSane | starts* |
| 06:03.14 | Shirik | interesting |
| 06:10.48 | *** join/#wowuidev ecs (n=ecs@unaffiliated/ecstasia) |
| 06:11.49 | ccox | nice little bug |
| 06:16.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh (n=Srosh@d019237.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 06:16.19 | Xinhuan | damn, can't use BRD portal item anymore in AV hahaha |
| 06:16.24 | *** part/#wowuidev Iriel (n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 06:16.36 | Nom- | hmmm i get the feeling that instances are broken |
| 06:17.28 | Xinhuan | they are |
| 06:18.39 | Hirsute | Boy, that's going to torque a lot of people who want to kill the Horseman off. |
| 06:18.52 | Hirsute | Those sinister squashlings aren't exactly a common drop. |
| 06:20.37 | *** join/#wowuidev FtH|Daemona (n=koaschte@i59F636F6.versanet.de) |
| 06:22.17 | Nom- | QQ instance not found |
| 06:23.10 | Shirik | So NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:23.12 | Shirik | since you know everything |
| 06:23.14 | Shirik | ANSWER ME THIS |
| 06:23.29 | Shirik | wait, you already did |
| 06:23.30 | Shirik | DAMNIT |
| 06:26.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Diskmaster (n=YOURFACE@76.85.147.197) |
| 06:27.37 | *** join/#wowuidev dokomar (n=mew_mast@ppp-70-254-29-40.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net) |
| 06:27.47 | Shirik | blizzcon pics, where?! |
| 06:27.54 | Shirik | I always lose the address :( |
| 06:28.31 | Thunder_Child | http://blizzcon.norganna.org/main.php/v/blizzcon2008/ |
| 06:28.33 | Thunder_Child | fail Shirik |
| 06:35.52 | Tem | does a bad picture of me have to be the one used for the whole section? |
| 06:37.20 | Nom- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11296584692&sid=1 |
| 06:37.22 | Nom- | LOL |
| 06:37.27 | Nom- | Poor level 19 twink |
| 06:39.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-171-31-114.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 06:39.58 | Thunder_Child | Tem, it's random |
| 06:41.19 | Shirik | So, playing around in Console, I type "help" and come across a new category "gm" |
| 06:41.26 | Shirik | So I'm like "ooh pretty" and type "help gm" |
| 06:41.28 | Shirik | And it's all |
| 06:41.33 | Shirik | Commands registered for category gm: |
| 06:41.34 | Shirik | NONE |
| 06:41.35 | Shirik | > |
| 06:41.42 | Shirik | Followed by sad face :( |
| 06:43.11 | Nom- | lolfail |
| 06:45.10 | Ktron | Interface\FrameXML\UIPanelTemplates.lua is throwing an error |
| 06:45.11 | Ktron | wtf |
| 06:47.10 | Nom- | hmm i wonder if Google owns any stake in Blizzard |
| 06:47.56 | ccox | Ktron - you may be calling it wrong OR you may have run into one of many Blizzard bugs |
| 06:48.06 | Nom- | Mate of mine just started at Google... the software he produces is known as Tankware(r), and is characterized by it's (lack of) stability and tendancy to (not) stay up for weeks at a time. |
| 06:48.17 | Nom- | Kind of like what's happening to WoW servers at the moment :P |
| 06:48.48 | Nom- | Co-incidentally, his first day was the day of the gMail problems |
| 06:49.05 | Ktron | ccox: I'm sure one of the addons I have running is doing it, just kind of stuck to figure out which one |
| 06:49.33 | ccox | Ktron - not necessarily, there are 3 common frameXML errors popping up (that I know of) |
| 06:50.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 06:50.46 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 06:51.13 | Ktron | ccox: These are the two that happen upon login for me http://ktron.pastecode.com/9335 |
| 06:51.28 | Ktron | BugSack kind of keeps them out of the way luckily |
| 06:52.38 | ccox | Ktron - !Swatter should provide more information for you, or look at the frameXML errors log |
| 06:52.46 | ccox | Ktron - but both of those do look like addon errors |
| 06:58.58 | Ktron | Ah well, a mystery to figure out tomorrow |
| 06:59.04 | Neuro_Medivh | those are addon errors. I got the same errors in my addon before I fixed it |
| 07:00.12 | Neuro_Medivh | there's a function in OptionPanels I believe that used to return a frame then a #, now it's a # then the frame |
| 07:00.15 | Shirik | What exactly IS the surgeon general? |
| 07:00.34 | Shirik | we hear him warning about things all the time, but who is he? |
| 07:00.58 | Neuro_Medivh | The Surgeon General of the United States is the head of the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps |
| 07:01.02 | ccox | http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/ |
| 07:01.34 | ccox | apparently right now we don't have one |
| 07:01.50 | Shirik | but he just said I had to exersize more |
| 07:01.57 | Shirik | how can we not have one if he just told me to :( |
| 07:02.48 | Neuro_Medivh | there's an acting surgeon general |
| 07:02.54 | Neuro_Medivh | he hasn't been confirmed |
| 07:03.10 | Shirik | I refuse to believe him |
| 07:03.24 | ccox | or my favorite surgeon general: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_Me_Liberty |
| 07:03.25 | Shirik | I will now consume alcoholic beverages while pregnant and not exersize for 30 minutes daily |
| 07:04.53 | Neuro_Medivh | hey, they must be doing something right... the guy from the Reagan years, C. Everett Koop, is still alive at 92 |
| 07:05.16 | Nechckn | Shirik for you, that would be a good trick! |
| 07:05.17 | Shirik | people are still dying |
| 07:05.21 | Shirik | therefore they are not trying hard enough |
| 07:06.42 | Nechckn | Koop is a real trooper... the whole public health uniformed service is a trip |
| 07:07.01 | Nechckn | for those who make it their carreers |
| 07:17.52 | Cidan | Uhm |
| 07:17.58 | Cidan | When do daily's reset? |
| 07:18.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Qzot (n=esnickel@ppp-71-139-185-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 07:21.23 | Shirik | That's a double-ended question |
| 07:21.30 | Shirik | either 3 or 4 depending on what you want to do |
| 07:22.00 | Shirik | daily counter resets at 3, quest completion resets at 4 |
| 07:22.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Guest709 (i=Anonymou@117.115.124.24.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 07:22.11 | Guest709 | where can you download cosmos |
| 07:22.21 | Shirik | purl, onjoin Unavailable |
| 07:22.30 | Shirik | purl, onjoin #wowuidev Unavailable |
| 07:22.31 | Guest709 | ? |
| 07:22.36 | Shirik | eh, nm |
| 07:22.42 | Shirik | Cosmos is discontinued |
| 07:23.12 | Guest709 | what |
| 07:23.22 | Shirik | (03:22:30) (@Shirik) Cosmos is discontinued |
| 07:23.34 | Guest709 | there not going to update it anymore |
| 07:23.43 | Mundyz | they're |
| 07:24.20 | Shirik | http://www.cosmosui.org/ |
| 07:24.23 | Shirik | Read the front page |
| 07:28.31 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-28-5.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 07:32.57 | *** join/#wowuidev copystring (n=copystri@p548A32EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:36.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (n=Vilkku@86-60-157-18-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) |
| 07:37.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Qzot_ (n=esnickel@ppp-71-139-169-180.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 07:40.49 | Shirik | I HATE YOU SO MUCH |
| 07:40.54 | Shirik | SVN is evil |
| 07:41.28 | ccox | yes, but teaching a bunch of 21 year olds how to use perforce would be worse :-) |
| 07:42.01 | Slackwise | lol |
| 07:43.24 | ccox | (though, at least with perforce we could use branches correctly) |
| 07:44.13 | Slackwise | No love for git? :P |
| 07:44.42 | Shirik | I swear |
| 07:44.48 | Shirik | I don't know what I'm doing wrong |
| 07:44.56 | Shirik | but I am really good at breaking my working copy when doing an svn switch |
| 07:46.53 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:46.58 | Shirik | I just checked it out again |
| 07:47.05 | Shirik | Now I'm going to do an svn switch |
| 07:47.32 | Shirik | of course now that I'm quoting this to you, it works |
| 07:49.08 | ccox | That's the heisenberg certainty priciple |
| 07:49.20 | ccox | When you try to show it to someone else, it's certain to go the other way |
| 07:56.32 | Shirik | night, I shall head out too |
| 08:25.25 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (n=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 08:39.19 | *** join/#wowuidev MoonWolf (n=MoonWolf@i209133.upc-i.chello.nl) |
| 08:39.20 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v MoonWolf] by ChanServ |
| 08:42.23 | Tekkub | o/~ if there's a god, he's laughing at us, and our foot ball team |
| 08:42.29 | Tekkub | great way to start a song |
| 08:44.40 | Neuro_Medivh | what song, and what football team? |
| 08:45.11 | Tekkub | Effington! |
| 08:45.19 | Tekkub | 4338. Ben Folds - [Way To Normal (Japanese Import #11] Effington |
| 08:45.30 | *** join/#wowuidev grzesieq (n=grzesieq@irssi/user/grzesieq) |
| 08:45.52 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, you mean soccer =) |
| 08:46.08 | Tekkub | no, but they probably do |
| 08:46.36 | Tekkub | o/~ maybe I should ditch this pice of junk on the highway and start a new effing life in Effington |
| 08:47.43 | MoonWolf | woe is me, someone is making me write an addon |
| 08:47.51 | MoonWolf | i'll have to actually, code lua again. |
| 08:52.47 | haste | but lua is awesome, so that can't be an issue! |
| 08:53.28 | Neuro_Medivh | not so fast, haste |
| 08:53.34 | Neuro_Medivh | (c wut i did thar?) |
| 08:53.56 | haste | yes Neuro_Medivh, Fisker- does it all the time :) |
| 08:54.47 | Neuro_Medivh | eww |
| 08:54.50 | Neuro_Medivh | now I feel dirty |
| 08:55.04 | MoonWolf | as well you should. |
| 08:58.08 | Neuro_Medivh | and not the good kind of dirty |
| 08:58.17 | Tekkub | so I"m thinking I might break the tooltip prices out of Panda |
| 08:58.25 | Tekkub | but I need a name for that addon.. |
| 08:58.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Tektips! |
| 08:58.40 | Tekkub | no |
| 08:58.49 | Neuro_Medivh | PricePanda? |
| 08:59.02 | Tekkub | was pondering PandaPricetag |
| 08:59.20 | Tekkub | Randatags, fuck Dogtags |
| 08:59.40 | Tekkub | s/R/P/ |
| 09:07.01 | Vilkku | is there an event that fires whenever a spell is ready? |
| 09:07.14 | Vilkku | or do you have to make a timer that counts down |
| 09:07.15 | Vilkku | ? |
| 09:08.40 | Neuro_Medivh | you'd have to make your own timer |
| 09:09.28 | Neuro_Medivh | well, not timer, but you could simply have an OnUpdate check for whether it's ready or not |
| 09:15.13 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it'd be an onupdate timer. |
| 09:15.27 | NightHawkTheSane | you can catch spell_cooldown_update, or whatever, which tells you how long the CD is |
| 09:15.39 | NightHawkTheSane | then just set an onupdate properly |
| 09:17.15 | clad|away | Shirik: please update or at least check the changelog before reporting issues |
| 09:17.21 | clad|away | that's already been fixed, and has been for days |
| 09:19.39 | *** join/#wowuidev grzesieq (n=grzesieq@3905ds1-brh.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 09:20.13 | Neuro_Medivh | interesting-yet-useless fact: all Navel oranges come from the same tree |
| 09:36.11 | ZorbaTHut | clad, part of my daily routine is waking up and responding to 3/4 of the Questhelper comments with "Update, that was fixed in the last version/several versions ago/a month ago" |
| 09:36.29 | clad|away | well |
| 09:36.31 | clad|away | shirik should know better |
| 09:36.33 | ZorbaTHut | thankfully, I rigged up the error reporting system to include the error message. :) |
| 09:36.55 | ZorbaTHut | er, the version number |
| 09:37.05 | *** join/#wowuidev frop (n=hola@unaffiliated/frop) |
| 09:39.02 | clad|away | hehe |
| 09:44.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Lyn (n=Lyn@Lf304.l.pppool.de) |
| 09:46.29 | *** join/#wowuidev ievil (n=asys@149.254.200.248) |
| 09:48.33 | clad|away | wow |
| 09:48.36 | clad|away | win AV in 6 minutes? |
| 09:48.52 | AnduinLothar | I got the AB in 6min one |
| 09:48.58 | clad|away | well AB is easy |
| 09:49.02 | AnduinLothar | best for AV has been 11 tho |
| 09:49.08 | clad|away | AV you'd need a paladin in each group |
| 09:49.20 | clad|away | and a PVE geared group :P |
| 09:50.58 | Syzgyn | Just get 2 tanks, some healers and some dps to rush drek/vann |
| 09:50.59 | AnduinLothar | not neccissarily, you just need to be organized and take 5 to each cap zone and then meet at the end with about 30 of you |
| 09:51.15 | AnduinLothar | or that |
| 09:51.16 | Syzgyn | Tank the boss and the warmasters at the same time, easy |
| 09:51.33 | AnduinLothar | pally tank could get all of them |
| 09:51.34 | nevcairiel | organized in AV without the possibility of premades? |
| 09:51.35 | nevcairiel | good luck. |
| 09:51.46 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 09:52.23 | nevcairiel | (also, any tank can tank all of them, pallys are no longer THE aoe tank class :P) |
| 09:52.31 | Syzgyn | thats alot of damage for 1 tank |
| 09:52.41 | Syzgyn | imo better for one to grab the WMs, one for the boss |
| 09:52.56 | Syzgyn | and maybe some dps playing goalie with the charging WMs |
| 09:53.17 | AnduinLothar | pallies to HoP the healers |
| 09:53.34 | Syzgyn | gah, its weird saying HoP instead of BoP |
| 09:53.47 | Syzgyn | "quick, hop the priest!" |
| 09:53.51 | Syzgyn | "do what?" |
| 09:54.02 | AnduinLothar | hell, just have a whole group full of pallies druids and warlocks and it's gg |
| 09:54.09 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 09:54.33 | Syzgyn | are the WMs stunnable? |
| 09:54.46 | AnduinLothar | not sure |
| 09:54.51 | AnduinLothar | drek isn't |
| 09:54.59 | Syzgyn | if so, 1 prot war = ezmode |
| 09:55.07 | cladhaire | its the buff on drek that's the problem |
| 09:55.10 | Syzgyn | Meh |
| 09:55.12 | cladhaire | he'll put out beef damage |
| 09:55.21 | cladhaire | but now is the time to do it, while we're still overgeared compared to bosses :P |
| 09:55.24 | Syzgyn | he cant hit harder than raid bosses :P |
| 09:55.39 | cladhaire | with all the buffs up, he can I think |
| 09:56.26 | sb | cladhaire: we did AV 6 min yesterday |
| 09:56.29 | sb | 5 min actually :o |
| 09:56.32 | cladhaire | nice |
| 09:56.35 | cladhaire | what strat did you use? |
| 09:56.35 | Syzgyn | I'd be suprised if its more than 2 healers could handle |
| 09:56.53 | cladhaire | just the "kill shit, don't die" strategy? |
| 09:57.12 | sb | get 25 T6 PvE equipped players and just run + kill boss :o |
| 09:57.16 | sb | yup |
| 09:57.21 | cladhaire | fun :P |
| 09:57.31 | Redguard | best idea ever |
| 09:57.38 | Redguard | 40 druids |
| 09:57.57 | Syzgyn | 40 ret pallies |
| 09:58.00 | Redguard | you .. just can't beat 40 moonfires, |
| 09:58.04 | Redguard | ret pallies are being nerfed |
| 09:58.04 | AnduinLothar | moonkins were fucking me in the ass today |
| 09:58.11 | Redguard | and they're melee, which hurts mobility |
| 09:58.13 | Syzgyn | they're still badass though |
| 09:58.14 | AnduinLothar | so they better not nurf me |
| 09:58.16 | cladhaire | mmm |
| 09:58.19 | cladhaire | 40 moonfires :P |
| 09:58.26 | Redguard | it's confirmed, ret pallies are being nerfed |
| 09:58.31 | Syzgyn | I know |
| 09:58.37 | Syzgyn | they're still gonna be badass though |
| 09:58.42 | Redguard | somewhat |
| 09:58.42 | sb | cladhaire: if you mount up and go straight to the enemy base, you have (speaking of horde) ~1-2 minutes left when you reach the bridge... so not much time ;) |
| 09:58.48 | Redguard | i prefer warriors over ret pallies |
| 09:58.58 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 09:59.00 | Syzgyn | sb: really that little? |
| 09:59.01 | cladhaire | that's why i said you'd want pallies. |
| 09:59.05 | cladhaire | for crusader |
| 09:59.09 | sb | we had pallies :p |
| 09:59.13 | sb | Syzgyn: yes |
| 09:59.15 | AnduinLothar | it's raid wide buff clad |
| 09:59.18 | cladhaire | wow |
| 09:59.23 | Syzgyn | I wouldnt have guessed it'd be that long a run |
| 09:59.25 | AnduinLothar | all auras |
| 09:59.25 | cladhaire | oh yeah it would be now. |
| 09:59.28 | sb | bg timer is "4 minutes" when you reach the bridge |
| 09:59.32 | Syzgyn | anyway, night! |
| 09:59.37 | sb | i think it also adds the starting-time |
| 10:00.22 | Redguard | so on action buttons, such as ActionButton1, how can I get it's Unit |
| 10:00.31 | cladhaire | they don't have one |
| 10:00.38 | Redguard | oh? |
| 10:00.46 | cladhaire | they're not SAB's |
| 10:00.48 | cladhaire | afaik |
| 10:00.51 | Redguard | but isn't there some sort of secure template |
| 10:00.58 | Redguard | why wouldn't they be :( |
| 10:01.03 | cladhaire | yes but blizzard doesn't need to use them |
| 10:01.11 | cladhaire | thats extra unnecessary overhead |
| 10:01.14 | Redguard | then how is wow keeping track of their targets and such |
| 10:01.21 | cladhaire | code |
| 10:01.22 | Redguard | like actionbuttons with macros |
| 10:01.32 | Redguard | can i access these state variables on the buttons? |
| 10:01.34 | cladhaire | I dont understand the question.. |
| 10:01.37 | cladhaire | no |
| 10:01.39 | AnduinLothar | the old fashioned way |
| 10:01.39 | Redguard | right now im calculating them myself |
| 10:01.42 | cladhaire | what are you trying to _DO_ |
| 10:01.50 | cladhaire | not how you want to implement it :p |
| 10:01.51 | Redguard | hrm |
| 10:01.59 | Redguard | i have a dr tracker, yea |
| 10:02.06 | Neuro_Medivh | dr? |
| 10:02.06 | Redguard | and it highlights buttons based on DR |
| 10:02.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Onewey (i=Weye1@88.195.93.139) |
| 10:02.18 | Redguard | so i need to know who the target is, what the spell is, which button |
| 10:02.20 | Neuro_Medivh | was ist dr |
| 10:02.29 | cladhaire | well |
| 10:02.31 | cladhaire | macros you know |
| 10:02.35 | cladhaire | others you know they are ALWAYS target |
| 10:02.41 | cladhaire | for befault action buttons |
| 10:02.43 | Redguard | macros you dont know |
| 10:02.50 | cladhaire | yes you do |
| 10:02.54 | Redguard | macros can be any target, and they can change targets |
| 10:02.55 | cladhaire | you can call the function that parses it |
| 10:02.56 | cladhaire | and gives you the info |
| 10:02.57 | cladhaire | yes. |
| 10:02.59 | cladhaire | there is API |
| 10:03.00 | cladhaire | call it. |
| 10:03.05 | Redguard | well |
| 10:03.11 | Redguard | you have to call it line by line |
| 10:03.22 | Redguard | as that only parses options from the API i read |
| 10:03.25 | cladhaire | no, i don't think so. |
| 10:03.28 | Redguard | it doesn't do full macro Bodies |
| 10:03.35 | cladhaire | something does |
| 10:04.08 | cladhaire | if you want to be able to track something this complex.. you're going to have to do quite a bit of work |
| 10:04.08 | Redguard | ya |
| 10:04.21 | Redguard | so action buttons that are spells not macros |
| 10:04.26 | cladhaire | yes |
| 10:04.29 | Redguard | i default to target, but i dont know how to get the.. |
| 10:04.37 | Redguard | self modifier and focus modifier button attributes |
| 10:04.47 | cladhaire | there is no focus modifier? |
| 10:04.50 | Redguard | maybe therer is some attribute i can query somewhere? i just don't know it |
| 10:04.52 | Redguard | there is in 3.x |
| 10:04.52 | cladhaire | and autoselfcast is a cvar |
| 10:05.01 | Redguard | not 2.x |
| 10:05.03 | cladhaire | oh |
| 10:05.04 | cladhaire | i gotcha |
| 10:05.06 | Redguard | ya |
| 10:05.06 | cladhaire | well they are CVars |
| 10:05.10 | Redguard | ok |
| 10:05.25 | cladhaire | is your issue with the TRACKING |
| 10:05.36 | cladhaire | or the altering the display of a button based on absurdly complex criteria? |
| 10:05.40 | Redguard | well, initial target guesstimation right now |
| 10:05.44 | cladhaire | don't guess |
| 10:05.48 | cladhaire | use the combat log evenets |
| 10:05.53 | cladhaire | it tells you exactly who you cast what spell on |
| 10:06.03 | Redguard | yes but.. |
| 10:06.05 | Redguard | i cant use that |
| 10:06.24 | Redguard | as it does tell me who it was cast on, i need to know current target, not past targets |
| 10:06.27 | cladhaire | that's what i just asked you |
| 10:06.30 | Redguard | and the target could have changed by the time it's cast, so that's a bit useless to me |
| 10:06.38 | cladhaire | are you havgin issues with the tracking, or the altering buttons for NOW |
| 10:06.39 | AnduinLothar | speaking of which. do the spell events tell you what the target of your party's spells are now? |
| 10:06.39 | Redguard | the highlight on the button is for active targets only |
| 10:06.46 | Redguard | now is what i'm using |
| 10:07.13 | Redguard | right now im using an odd way to highlight buttons cladhaire |
| 10:07.20 | Neuro_Medivh | Redguard, again, what are you trying to DO? What's the end result? |
| 10:07.44 | Redguard | end result is a bit complicated to explain to you i think Neuro_Medivh, it's a visual DR tracker for action buttons |
| 10:07.55 | Neuro_Medivh | what is DR? Diminishing Returns? |
| 10:07.56 | Redguard | with an external monitor window for all DR |
| 10:07.58 | Redguard | yes |
| 10:08.05 | cladhaire | well you just explained it..so not that complex. |
| 10:09.07 | AnduinLothar | ahh UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT has the target |
| 10:09.42 | cladhaire | that just when you send it to the server, not if its successful or not. |
| 10:09.52 | AnduinLothar | spose i have to cache it for the START event tho |
| 10:10.12 | Redguard | what i dont like is certain events are told to be successful or failed |
| 10:10.15 | Neuro_Medivh | Anduin, make sure you use the new castID to get the correct event |
| 10:10.19 | Redguard | and then you see spells cast contradicting |
| 10:10.26 | Redguard | such as a successful spell interrupt |
| 10:10.35 | AnduinLothar | hmmm castid? |
| 10:10.36 | Redguard | and then the spell that was interrupted is casted and.. another one casted |
| 10:10.38 | AnduinLothar | in the event? |
| 10:10.41 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 10:10.54 | AnduinLothar | mmm, wowprogramming doesn't have those listed |
| 10:10.56 | Neuro_Medivh | UnitCastingInfo passed an 8th argument now, castID |
| 10:11.13 | AnduinLothar | ahh |
| 10:11.20 | Neuro_Medivh | it's just a counter, rolls over at 255 according to Iriel |
| 10:11.27 | AnduinLothar | oh right, i completely forgot about that api lol |
| 10:11.29 | Neuro_Medivh | but it increments with each spell you cast |
| 10:11.33 | AnduinLothar | it's been a while |
| 10:12.13 | *** join/#wowuidev isman (n=drag@mlr78-3-88-162-68-235.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 10:13.28 | Redguard | i noticed a cooldown model on [de]buffs under targets that has a yellow/orange'ish swing arm |
| 10:13.34 | sb | MEH |
| 10:13.46 | sb | need an addon to move that stupid achievement tracker thingie ;) |
| 10:13.53 | Redguard | it's the same cooldown model used on action buttons, but it has a orange arm at the front of the timer to show you where it is |
| 10:13.58 | Redguard | have you seen that cladhaire? |
| 10:14.12 | cladhaire | yes |
| 10:14.14 | Redguard | not sure if it's actually the same cooldown model updated for 3.x or something else |
| 10:14.20 | Redguard | it looked interesting |
| 10:14.21 | haste | (it looks so horrible) |
| 10:14.32 | haste | it was added in 2.4 |
| 10:14.42 | Redguard | the look isn't so important to me as the functionality of it that I can't reproduce |
| 10:15.03 | Redguard | I wish I understood how to remake that from scratch, it has some concepts I could really use :( |
| 10:15.05 | cladhaire | what do you mean you can't reproduce the functionality |
| 10:15.10 | Redguard | ehh |
| 10:15.11 | haste | it's a custom XML flag, which didn't have a Lua equaliant in 2.4 |
| 10:15.16 | Fisker- | I HATE YOU |
| 10:15.21 | haste | it might have a function for i in 3.0 tho' |
| 10:15.22 | Fisker- | stupid client |
| 10:15.24 | cladhaire | so ask for it. |
| 10:15.29 | Redguard | well remember before I was talking about making a custom cooldown model with a cut out in the center |
| 10:15.29 | haste | just check the widget metatable |
| 10:15.30 | cladhaire | its an oversight if we dont have it, |
| 10:15.38 | cladhaire | Redguard: yes, and i really dont want to start that conversation again. |
| 10:15.43 | Redguard | yea I dont either |
| 10:15.45 | cladhaire | considering how terrible it was the first time. |
| 10:15.54 | Redguard | but right now I am just using 4 frames on the outside |
| 10:15.59 | Redguard | and controlling them interally |
| 10:16.16 | Redguard | 1 sec |
| 10:17.34 | Fisker- | Anyone know why the client starts lagging when aoeing lots of mobs |
| 10:17.48 | Fisker- | i.e. it works fine then suddenly it just lags if you're attacked by a couple of mobs |
| 10:18.32 | nevcairiel | i get lack if i swipe like 30 mobs |
| 10:19.01 | nevcairiel | *lag :P |
| 10:19.19 | Redguard | essentially cladhaire, I am using 4 status bar frames bordering a button |
| 10:19.34 | Redguard | and controlling them internally to cause the look/effect I wanted |
| 10:20.09 | Redguard | it's the best I have right now, I might poke around to try to get someone else to make a better way later |
| 10:20.20 | Redguard | but for now.. it is working ok |
| 10:22.45 | Redguard | im trying to get a half decent copy for when wotlk is released so people can play with it |
| 10:22.58 | Redguard | it's quite useful if you like pvp |
| 10:23.04 | AnduinLothar | so is there a way to know if the spell target is hostile or friendly? |
| 10:23.10 | Redguard | sure |
| 10:23.40 | Redguard | combat log will give you a bitmask of information |
| 10:23.48 | Redguard | or you can check.. what is it like UnitIsEnemy |
| 10:23.53 | AnduinLothar | before it's finished casting? |
| 10:23.54 | Redguard | or some of those random functions |
| 10:23.58 | Redguard | sure |
| 10:24.14 | Redguard | get the target's name or reference and check against that |
| 10:24.49 | AnduinLothar | that's super messy |
| 10:24.57 | Redguard | what's messy? |
| 10:25.02 | AnduinLothar | i'd have to cache all the combat events |
| 10:25.04 | *** join/#wowuidev zenzelezz_ (n=zenzelez@084202219040.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 10:25.10 | AnduinLothar | and somehow tie them to a spell |
| 10:25.11 | Redguard | what are you trying to do with the friendly/hostile information |
| 10:25.54 | AnduinLothar | change cast bar colors. my old code had it using chat comm to send target and hostility |
| 10:26.03 | AnduinLothar | btu i dont need it for target |
| 10:26.32 | AnduinLothar | wondering how i can know for a spell that just started casting on a mob i have no reference to |
| 10:27.36 | Neuro_Medivh | AL, you want to know if a spell being cast right now is targeting a friendly or hostile unit? |
| 10:27.58 | AnduinLothar | friendly or hostile in relation to the caster preferably |
| 10:28.32 | Neuro_Medivh | am I missing something? UnitIsHostile() wouldn't work? |
| 10:28.44 | AnduinLothar | i'd have to have a unitid for the target |
| 10:28.51 | AnduinLothar | spell events only give a name |
| 10:29.22 | Neuro_Medivh | use the 'target' unitid |
| 10:29.37 | AnduinLothar | that's not always their target |
| 10:29.37 | Neuro_Medivh | sorry, UnitIsFriend() is the function |
| 10:29.44 | Neuro_Medivh | when spell is being cast it is |
| 10:29.52 | Neuro_Medivh | oh, like self-cast |
| 10:29.56 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm |
| 10:30.02 | Redguard | Neuro_Medivh not true |
| 10:30.32 | Redguard | AnduinLothar if it's casted, channeled, instant, etc the combat log will give you information on the target |
| 10:30.38 | Redguard | as to if it is hostile friendly neutral, etc |
| 10:30.41 | Redguard | just parse and use that? |
| 10:30.49 | AnduinLothar | before or after the spell event? |
| 10:31.02 | Redguard | well there are many events |
| 10:31.17 | Redguard | you might not be checking for the right one(s) ? |
| 10:31.36 | Redguard | you can get the info right as a user decided to use a spell, and before it finishes casting - sure |
| 10:32.14 | *** join/#wowuidev leethal (n=leethal@cm-84.215.134.225.getinternet.no) |
| 10:32.18 | AnduinLothar | like i said. ugly |
| 10:32.24 | Redguard | it's really not ugly |
| 10:32.41 | *** join/#wowuidev frop (n=hola@unaffiliated/frop) |
| 10:32.43 | Redguard | combat log keeps track of the targets decided upon |
| 10:33.06 | Neuro_Medivh | will UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT not work for your purposes, AnduinLothar? |
| 10:33.10 | Redguard | there really is no way to know what the target is any sooner unless you hook pre-events before a button is even clicked |
| 10:33.21 | AnduinLothar | it doesn't give hostility neuro |
| 10:33.22 | Neuro_Medivh | or does it return the name and not the unitid? |
| 10:33.29 | AnduinLothar | name |
| 10:33.29 | Redguard | SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS |
| 10:33.37 | Redguard | Neuro_Medivh you get the name and guid |
| 10:33.51 | Redguard | as well as bitmasks with lots of information relating to the player |
| 10:34.04 | Redguard | are they in your party, raid, friendly, hostile, neutral |
| 10:34.08 | Redguard | npc, player |
| 10:34.13 | AnduinLothar | ... |
| 10:34.15 | Redguard | on and on |
| 10:34.28 | Redguard | it has more information from the combat log events than you'll need I'm sure |
| 10:34.56 | AnduinLothar | there is no SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS |
| 10:35.12 | Redguard | ya don't quote me on that one, let me look really quick |
| 10:35.15 | Neuro_Medivh | Unit_Spellcast_Succeeded |
| 10:35.19 | AnduinLothar | if you mean UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED, no it doesn't even have the target name |
| 10:35.28 | AnduinLothar | only SENT has the target name |
| 10:35.47 | AnduinLothar | the guid's are onyl used in the combat log events afaik |
| 10:36.10 | Redguard | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
| 10:36.22 | Redguard | guids are important to me, and in general |
| 10:36.37 | Redguard | but the target "names" are given as well |
| 10:37.16 | Redguard | there should be a SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS from what i read |
| 10:37.22 | Redguard | unless that changed in 3.x, |
| 10:37.32 | Redguard | do /combatlog and cast a channeled, casted, and instant spell |
| 10:37.33 | cncfanatics | is anyone able to actualy play on the beta EU realms ? :p |
| 10:37.36 | Redguard | then you can read back the events |
| 10:37.47 | Redguard | from the Logs/ directory |
| 10:37.59 | Redguard | Logs\ even |
| 10:39.02 | AnduinLothar | COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED - SPELL_CAST_START i might be able to use |
| 10:39.33 | Redguard | sure |
| 10:39.44 | AnduinLothar | wonder if it hits before or after UNIT_SPELLCAST_START |
| 10:39.45 | Redguard | for channeled spells that should trigger iirc |
| 10:40.12 | Redguard | type /combatlog to start logging in game, and you can analyze the logs after testing some conditionals |
| 10:40.39 | AnduinLothar | SPELL_CAST_START wont trigger for the beginning of a cast of a non-channeled spell? |
| 10:41.19 | Redguard | uhh |
| 10:41.24 | Redguard | 3.x erased all my combat logs |
| 10:41.37 | Redguard | but i would guess it -might- just send spell_cast_success |
| 10:41.48 | Redguard | as it would be redundant to send a _start and then a _success for instant casts |
| 10:42.13 | Redguard | be sure to check for non successful instant, channeled, and casted spells |
| 10:42.16 | Redguard | failures, etc |
| 10:42.37 | AnduinLothar | i dotn care about instant casts |
| 10:42.50 | AnduinLothar | they don't need a spell bar |
| 10:44.19 | Redguard | they do if you play on blizzard's servers |
| 10:44.48 | Redguard | 15 second instant cast spells are a new phase for all raid bosses |
| 10:45.43 | haste | that doesn't compute at all |
| 10:45.51 | Redguard | in that case yes I'd say start with spell_cast_start and work from there |
| 10:45.53 | zenzelezz | some sort of lag reference? |
| 10:46.01 | Redguard | haste, it means it should be instant, but it's casted |
| 10:46.10 | Redguard | by a pseudo random amount of lag imposed by the servers |
| 10:46.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Lyn (n=Lyn@Lf304.l.pppool.de) |
| 10:46.52 | Redguard | *sigh* |
| 10:47.55 | Neuro_Medivh | for the record, instant cast spells don't send a spellcast start, iirc |
| 10:48.49 | frop | hello? anyy raiding hunter here? :) |
| 10:48.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Chompers (n=Chompers@cpc1-cove9-0-0-cust541.brhm.cable.ntl.com) |
| 10:49.42 | AnduinLothar | hmm, looks liek i already have a target name cache, but i have it on the caster side... guess i'll have to cache reaction for all party members.. |
| 10:50.33 | AnduinLothar | and of course it all goes to hell when you get mind controlled |
| 10:52.00 | Fisker- | Anyone know what exploits they're pulling the EU realms down for? |
| 10:52.53 | Redguard | hrm |
| 10:52.56 | Redguard | this makes me sad |
| 10:53.05 | Cidan | AnduinLothar: No matter what anyone says, I still love you, even without Cosmos! |
| 10:53.11 | Redguard | arg[1-11] are no longer globals, and I can't pull them from inside :AddMessage anymore |
| 10:53.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 10:53.30 | Redguard | Cidan? |
| 10:54.16 | Cidan | Redguard? |
| 10:57.10 | *** join/#wowuidev amnith (i=robert@217-14-8-187-dhcp-osl.bbse.no) |
| 10:59.30 | *** join/#wowuidev kryps` (n=mark@S0106000cf1ada090.ed.shawcable.net) |
| 11:00.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Ackis (n=asdf@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis) |
| 11:02.27 | *** join/#wowuidev MoonWolf (n=MoonWolf@i209133.upc-i.chello.nl) |
| 11:02.27 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v MoonWolf] by ChanServ |
| 11:13.11 | *** join/#wowuidev kryps (n=mark@S0106000cf1ada090.ed.shawcable.net) |
| 11:26.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Drayeah (i=5065af6a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8623c02c9ea37515) |
| 11:27.43 | AnduinLothar | UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT doesn't fire at all for your party members, onyl yourself |
| 11:28.11 | Industrial | any wowi admin? =) http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9876-Hastometer.html -> should be in the class specific -> hunter category |
| 11:31.31 | Redguard | AnduinLothar yea sounds about right |
| 11:31.51 | Redguard | as transmission of spells sent client->server have no reason to be echoed to every other client |
| 11:32.02 | Redguard | it'd make a web of cross flooding |
| 11:34.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Legorol (n=legorol@stud-nat-blk12.trin.cam.ac.uk) |
| 11:34.10 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ |
| 11:36.47 | *** join/#wowuidev frop (n=hola@unaffiliated/frop) |
| 11:38.04 | *** join/#wowuidev netcurse (n=hthieblo@81-67-28-118.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 11:41.04 | Fisker- | i still hate the haste |
| 11:42.18 | mikma | THE haste |
| 11:43.21 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (n=chatzill@82-44-89-48.cable.ubr02.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 11:48.42 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly|Ghost (n=chatzill@66-169-186-78.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 11:49.30 | mikma | is there any way of crfeating a "panicprowl" which i can keep on hitting and it wont unprowl? |
| 11:50.08 | mikma | currently i have this: /cast [noform:3] Cat Form; [nostealth] Prowl |
| 11:50.29 | mikma | but if i press it too many times too fast, prowl gets removed |
| 11:51.00 | nevcairiel | ./cast !Prowl |
| 11:51.01 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 11:51.14 | *** join/#wowuidev frop (n=hola@unaffiliated/frop) |
| 11:51.16 | mikma | what will ! do? |
| 11:53.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Ose (n=chatzill@static142-224.adsl.no) |
| 11:54.21 | Ose | I need a working mail addon. any tips? |
| 11:54.51 | Stanzilla | Postal |
| 11:55.17 | Ose | thanks |
| 11:56.18 | mikma | nevcairiel: poop |
| 11:56.28 | nevcairiel | does it work? |
| 11:56.30 | Ose | I disagree |
| 11:56.36 | nevcairiel | i never really understand how it works exactly :P |
| 11:56.46 | mikma | nevcairiel: well i can't tell, yet, didn't try it :D |
| 11:56.53 | mikma | nevcairiel: what will the '!' do anyway? |
| 11:57.10 | nevcairiel | i think its for for "Toggle Active" or so |
| 11:57.14 | nevcairiel | hunters use it for auto-shot |
| 11:57.16 | nevcairiel | to not turn it off |
| 11:57.28 | mikma | oh is that so? |
| 11:58.16 | mikma | atleast it didn't unprowl me, that's a good thing |
| 11:59.04 | |Jelly| | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98831 <-- can anyone help me with this error? I've already done this: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=14530 and it worked for a while but today, it doesn't seem to be wanting to fix the problem. |
| 12:00.03 | mikma | nevcairiel: what do you think, would this work? /cast [noform:3] Cat Form; [nostealth] !Prowl; [combat] Shadowmeld |
| 12:02.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Movix (n=mattes@82.242.144.196) |
| 12:08.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Zootfizzle (n=z00t@WoWUIDev/Blizz/Zooty-Zoot-Zoot) |
| 12:08.53 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Zootfizzle] by ChanServ |
| 12:10.31 | *** join/#wowuidev p3lim (n=p3lim@ti500710a080-6233.bb.online.no) |
| 12:17.13 | Industrial | lua> a={1=nil,2=nil} print #a |
| 12:17.13 | lua_bot | Industrial: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 12:17.26 | Industrial | lua> a={1=nil,2=nil} print(#a) |
| 12:17.26 | lua_bot | Industrial: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 12:17.27 | Industrial | wat |
| 12:17.43 | Industrial | lua> a={nil,nil} print(#a) |
| 12:17.43 | lua_bot | Industrial: 0 |
| 12:17.50 | Industrial | lua> a={nil,false} print #a |
| 12:17.51 | lua_bot | Industrial: luabot:1: '=' expected near '#' |
| 12:17.56 | Industrial | lua> a={nil,false} print(#a) |
| 12:17.56 | lua_bot | Industrial: 2 |
| 12:17.59 | Industrial | le sigh :P |
| 12:19.41 | cladhaire | read the definition of # |
| 12:20.01 | cladhaire | it only works on "arrays", with predictable answers |
| 12:20.43 | cladhaire | 12g per glyph of evisc |
| 12:20.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@78.151.165.119) |
| 12:20.59 | Industrial | its ok, I just want to test for >0 |
| 12:24.18 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11296585037&sid=1 /facepalm |
| 12:27.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (n=funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 12:35.17 | mikma | hey, how to add a /echo -command that only prints stuff in your screen, AND is sticky? |
| 12:39.04 | cladhaire | you'd have to make it a chat channel, or alter the behavior of the editbox, i think |
| 12:39.14 | cladhaire | and then just not actually send anything to that chat channel, by hooking SendChatMessage |
| 12:39.15 | cladhaire | maybe? |
| 12:39.23 | cladhaire | I haven't looked at how stickyness is implemented. |
| 12:39.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 12:39.53 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 12:40.36 | mikma | would be a hot feature to make your chat turn into an echo after XX time of inactivity |
| 12:42.03 | mikma | (writing in the chat inactivity that is, not afk inactivity :D |
| 12:42.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Kazie (n=k@port207.ds1-vg.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 12:45.27 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics1 (n=cncfanat@233.73-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 12:49.37 | Fogger | is there a UnitCritChance type function like UnitAttackSpeed()? |
| 12:50.04 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (n=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 12:50.35 | Fogger | ah nvm, found it. |
| 12:51.05 | Gnarfoz | what changed about UIDROPDOWNMENU_MENU_VALUE? |
| 12:52.39 | ZorbaTHut | nice, found a divide-by-zero error that can be triggered through scripts |
| 12:54.31 | Cide | I found an infinite loop that can be triggered through scripts |
| 12:54.35 | Cide | /script while true do end |
| 12:57.40 | Gnarfoz | oh you're so clever Cide |
| 12:58.01 | Cide | I'm aware |
| 12:59.06 | Gnarfoz | so, what changed about dropdowns that makes InstanceMaps puke all over itself? :( |
| 13:00.11 | p3lim | hm im having an issue with an author |
| 13:00.34 | p3lim | he has a fork of one of my addons which runs a license, he breaks it by removing the license |
| 13:00.45 | p3lim | he doesnt respond to my messages, ignoring it completely |
| 13:01.15 | p3lim | the addon in question: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11253-rMinimap.html |
| 13:01.19 | ZorbaTHut | p3lim, contact the site it's hosted on. this is what DMCA takedowns are for, if they don't cooperate. |
| 13:01.31 | p3lim | its on wowi |
| 13:02.18 | AnduinLothar | tell Cairenn|afk |
| 13:03.03 | mikma | poor little p3nis... :( |
| 13:03.34 | zenzelezz | you shouldn't talk to yourself like that mikma |
| 13:04.07 | mikma | mine is penis :) |
| 13:04.24 | p3lim | ive got the number 3 tattooed on mine |
| 13:04.26 | p3lim | :) |
| 13:04.54 | p3lim | atleast according to mikma |
| 13:05.13 | mikma | ping |
| 13:07.50 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (n=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 13:07.56 | p3lim | hm since wednesday pMinimap has had an amazing jump in downloads |
| 13:08.00 | p3lim | ++ e-peen :D |
| 13:08.11 | mikma | don'y you mean 3-peen |
| 13:08.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Mr_Rabies (n=Mr_Rabie@adsl-066-156-082-132.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 13:08.15 | p3lim | yeah, forgot |
| 13:11.58 | AnduinLothar | looks like COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED - SPELL_CAST_START never returns a dstName |
| 13:13.16 | Arrowmaster | it does from some mobs |
| 13:13.20 | Arrowmaster | but never for players |
| 13:13.27 | Arrowmaster | by design |
| 13:13.39 | AnduinLothar | does it return a valid dstGUID? |
| 13:13.43 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 13:13.48 | AnduinLothar | useless |
| 13:14.07 | Arrowmaster | well, if it returns a dstName it returns a dstGUID |
| 13:14.22 | Arrowmaster | but never a dstGUID for player spells |
| 13:14.31 | AnduinLothar | why not.. |
| 13:15.22 | Arrowmaster | because they do not want you to be able to know when anybody starts casting a spell against you in pvp |
| 13:15.33 | Arrowmaster | just that they are casting |
| 13:15.40 | AnduinLothar | friendlies would be nice |
| 13:15.53 | Arrowmaster | oh i agree |
| 13:18.43 | *** join/#wowuidev netcursed (n=hthieblo@81-67-28-118.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 13:23.14 | ZorbaTHut | nice |
| 13:23.15 | ZorbaTHut | GetAchievementCriteriaInfo(1176, 1) CreateFrame("Frame", nil, nil) |
| 13:23.32 | ZorbaTHut | there's a .lua file that generates a divide-by-zero error during game start |
| 13:23.50 | ZorbaTHut | (yes, it has to be that achievement) |
| 13:26.35 | batrick | anyone know how to get Polymorph (regular sheep) to cast |
| 13:27.02 | mikma | nevcairiel: so far so good, 0 prowlbreaks in buttonsmash-emergency |
| 13:28.37 | batrick | sorry had to deal with pvp |
| 13:28.46 | batrick | anyone know how to cast penguin in a macro? |
| 13:29.07 | batrick | I can't get /cast Polymorph(Sheep) /cast Polymorph(Penguin) or /cast Polymorph |
| 13:29.09 | batrick | to do it |
| 13:29.35 | mikma | ain't it a replacement for normal poly? |
| 13:29.46 | Arrowmaster | batrick: add () to the end of the spell name |
| 13:34.45 | *** join/#wowuidev [dRaCo] (n=drc@p5B22938B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:34.54 | batrick | Arrowmaster: doesnt work |
| 13:34.58 | batrick | casts Pig for some reason |
| 13:35.02 | Arrowmaster | lol? |
| 13:35.18 | batrick | i think it's broken |
| 13:35.20 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.38 | batrick | ya that doesn't work... |
| 13:35.40 | batrick | and neither does |
| 13:35.45 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (n=Vilkku@86-60-157-18-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) |
| 13:40.36 | *** join/#wowuidev [SW]Dodge (n=Miranda@p508CF402.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:44.47 | *** join/#wowuidev ievil- (n=asys@149.254.200.250) |
| 13:45.02 | Arrowmaster | batrick: you might need a space before the () |
| 13:45.06 | Arrowmaster | not sure if that would effect it |
| 13:45.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Quezacolt (n=chatzill@119.94.21.154) |
| 13:45.28 | batrick | nope |
| 13:45.39 | Arrowmaster | too bad we cant cast spells with /cast spell:##### |
| 13:45.48 | Arrowmaster | like we can /use item:##### |
| 13:46.42 | batrick | seriously |
| 13:46.48 | *** join/#wowuidev netcurse (n=hthieblo@81-67-28-118.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 13:49.32 | Adys | anyone sometimes dualboxing here? |
| 13:50.24 | Esine | Adys, I tried with it with a trial account but I couldnt set it up so well so the other guy lagged a bit and they got rotated slightly differently and you'd have to readjust the positions every 20 secs |
| 13:50.30 | Esine | :< |
| 13:50.44 | Adys | yeah rotation problem isnt big for me |
| 13:50.48 | Adys | problem is extreme lag |
| 13:50.53 | Adys | 0.2 fps on the second one |
| 13:50.56 | Adys | 60 fps on first one |
| 13:50.59 | Esine | oh |
| 13:51.20 | Esine | I didn't have that kind of troubles. Do you have two processors? |
| 13:51.26 | Adys | quadcore |
| 13:51.50 | Esine | I also did this in Linux so I don't know how it's on Mac or Windows |
| 13:52.13 | Adys | same, under wine here |
| 13:52.19 | Adys | last git |
| 13:52.20 | Esine | oh |
| 13:52.27 | Esine | well I haven't tried with 3.0.2 |
| 13:52.36 | Esine | wine is much slower in this patch don't you think? |
| 13:52.39 | Adys | before fps dropped under 10 fps |
| 13:52.41 | Adys | but now |
| 13:52.44 | Esine | I get like crappy 7 fps at eots or something |
| 13:52.46 | Adys | its literally under 1 fps |
| 13:53.13 | Esine | .. whereas I used to get 40-70 fps on 2.4.3 :( |
| 13:53.28 | Adys | also, no i didnt have any specific fps drop, apart from some addons |
| 13:53.43 | ZorbaTHut | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11296425363&postId=112954180987&sid=1#0 I love weird bugs :D |
| 14:00.05 | Adys | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11296625570&sid=1 |
| 14:00.05 | Adys | sigh |
| 14:00.43 | Mundyz | whats the name of the panel that holds the minimap? (so i can anchor something to it) |
| 14:00.47 | mikma | anyone has found a keybind for the new Calendar? |
| 14:01.01 | batrick | Minimap |
| 14:01.31 | Mundyz | ah |
| 14:01.37 | Mundyz | i must be doing something wrong then |
| 14:02.39 | mikma | frame:SetPoint("BOTTOM", Minimap, "TOP") |
| 14:02.50 | *** join/#wowuidev qweqq (n=qweqq@78-83-253-33.spectrumnet.bg) |
| 14:03.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Lothaer (n=jamiecoo@CPE-58-170-84-254.sa.bigpond.net.au) |
| 14:03.38 | Lothaer | hey any wowi devs on? |
| 14:04.58 | Industrial | admins* |
| 14:05.35 | cladhaire | yes why |
| 14:06.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Tuller (n=muffins@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 14:06.15 | Lothaer | in the wotlk beta i updated reczone with the wotlk stuff, recently the author has come back would you please remove my version from wowinterface |
| 14:06.16 | Lothaer | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10880-TitanPanelRecommendedZone.html |
| 14:06.27 | Esine | WTF |
| 14:06.30 | Esine | NO |
| 14:06.37 | Esine | damn lag |
| 14:07.02 | cladhaire | done |
| 14:07.09 | Lothaer | thankyou |
| 14:07.13 | mikma | that's nice. let other people update your addons and then tell them to remove their stuff :( |
| 14:07.26 | Lothaer | backwards |
| 14:07.35 | Lothaer | i asked to remove my update as they author has come back |
| 14:07.46 | mikma | that's better |
| 14:07.55 | Lothaer | :D |
| 14:13.35 | Mundyz | is clearfont working correctly for anyone? |
| 14:18.04 | Lothaer | not i |
| 14:21.09 | mikma | right, /calendar exists |
| 14:22.25 | *** join/#wowuidev ievil (n=asys@wireless12.one2one.net) |
| 14:26.28 | cladhaire | BOO |
| 14:26.30 | cladhaire | another scare beast =/ |
| 14:27.21 | Lothaer | huh? |
| 14:27.43 | Industrial | lol wut |
| 14:27.46 | Lothaer | what choo talking bout clad? |
| 14:27.58 | cladhaire | I have two scribes |
| 14:28.10 | cladhaire | the second one just learned minor scare beast via research |
| 14:28.13 | cladhaire | which i already knew on the other |
| 14:28.33 | Industrial | ah |
| 14:28.46 | *** join/#wowuidev ievil- (n=asys@149.254.200.236) |
| 14:30.03 | cladhaire | AH emails are borked in this patch, no? |
| 14:30.09 | cladhaire | i dont get the "pending" mails |
| 14:30.14 | mikma | if i stealth around in water, others can't see my trail? |
| 14:35.13 | Kaso | ^ always wondered about this, as well as with footprint trails on snow |
| 14:36.10 | mikma | it would be realistic to have, and would make life alot easier/harder for some classes ;) |
| 14:44.49 | mikma | Tuller: i like when OmniCC says item has 51d cooldown :D |
| 14:45.03 | Tuller | and I hate blizzard for that, too :P |
| 14:46.43 | *** join/#wowuidev frup (n=hola@unaffiliated/frop) |
| 14:46.44 | FtH|Daemona | if that was the biggest issue cladhaire i would be happy ;) |
| 14:48.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Riffage- (n=nnscript@78-86-205-138.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 14:56.16 | Pneumatus | cladhaire: functionality has changed, you can now see time remaining on the AH window, and get a chat message when someone buys an item |
| 14:56.36 | cladhaire | well that doesn't help if i'm not logged into that char now does it? :P |
| 14:56.42 | mikma | cladhaire: omgomgomg l2patchnotes |
| 14:56.47 | Pneumatus | nop |
| 15:01.50 | Adys | it was in patchnote? O_o |
| 15:03.12 | mikma | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.0.2_(undocumented_changes)#Auction_House unofficial notes kekekekeee |
| 15:08.13 | *** join/#wowuidev leethal (n=leethal@cm-84.215.134.225.getinternet.no) |
| 15:11.41 | *** join/#wowuidev grzesieq_ (n=grzesieq@3905ds1-brh.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 15:12.04 | cladhaire | http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p272/Mazater/realmfirst.jpg |
| 15:12.05 | cladhaire | ... |
| 15:12.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Daemona (n=koaschte@i59F636F6.versanet.de) |
| 15:12.40 | mikma | ... |
| 15:12.41 | cladhaire | heh |
| 15:12.46 | *** join/#wowuidev ievil- (n=asys@149.254.200.236) |
| 15:13.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@12-210-157-250.client.mchsi.com) |
| 15:13.05 | mikma | cladhaire: i take it's not your screenshot |
| 15:13.09 | cladhaire | no, lol |
| 15:13.35 | mikma | because one of the messages has angry finnish swearing ;) |
| 15:14.20 | *** join/#wowuidev frop (n=hola@unaffiliated/frop) |
| 15:14.22 | Arrowmaster | lol i wonder if they really got that or created a fake link |
| 15:14.34 | Arrowmaster | been meaning to experiment with those links |
| 15:15.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Lyn (n=Lyn@Lf304.l.pppool.de) |
| 15:15.54 | cladhaire | lol |
| 15:15.56 | cladhaire | 16:13 Storkniv: wtf |
| 15:15.57 | cladhaire | 16:13 Storkniv: i chose Scryers yesterday, and now im unfriendly with both aldor and scryer?! |
| 15:15.59 | cladhaire | 1 |
| 15:18.51 | *** join/#wowuidev elise (i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 15:19.23 | *** join/#wowuidev ievil (n=asys@general-ld-213.t-mobile.co.uk) |
| 15:19.30 | elise | het is cosomos going to be updated soon |
| 15:20.04 | mikma | yes |
| 15:20.06 | mikma | it was updated |
| 15:20.10 | mikma | www.cosmos.org |
| 15:20.16 | elise | i got real used to the chat and all the goodies , is ther anything similar or a better version lol |
| 15:20.51 | elise | i tried it yesterday and all the chatbars are grey |
| 15:21.02 | mikma | www.cosmos.org |
| 15:21.34 | elise | and when i click on the map for it to change over t o world view i was thrown offa lcliff by running lol |
| 15:22.05 | Arrowmaster | www.cosmosui.org |
| 15:22.12 | elise | so it works like before are you 100% sure |
| 15:22.17 | mikma | cosmosui :I |
| 15:22.18 | Cide | click |
| 15:22.18 | Cide | the |
| 15:22.19 | Cide | fucking |
| 15:22.20 | Cide | link |
| 15:22.21 | Cide | thanks |
| 15:22.28 | mikma | goooo cide! |
| 15:22.32 | Arrowmaster | lamo |
| 15:22.35 | Arrowmaster | lmao |
| 15:22.46 | elise | the link doesnt work ty very much |
| 15:22.51 | Arrowmaster | click mine |
| 15:22.53 | Cide | Arrowmaster> www.cosmosui.org |
| 15:22.54 | Arrowmaster | www.cosmosui.org |
| 15:23.00 | mikma | www.cosmosui.org |
| 15:23.01 | Arrowmaster | mikma fails |
| 15:23.05 | elise | tried nope it doesnt work |
| 15:23.06 | mikma | sorry |
| 15:23.16 | mikma | not a great fan so i don't know it that well |
| 15:23.18 | Arrowmaster | then your internet is broken |
| 15:23.46 | elise | no if it was broken i coudntt alk to you the link isnt underlined so it isnt valid |
| 15:24.04 | Arrowmaster | http://www.cosmosui.org/ |
| 15:24.13 | mikma | or http://cosmosui.org/ |
| 15:24.20 | elise | when i click i get this is a non valid url link |
| 15:24.29 | ievil | it's valid, just your client that's a bit out of sync with the real world ;) |
| 15:24.36 | Daemona | didnt they close down cosmos? |
| 15:24.45 | Arrowmaster | Daemona: way to click the link |
| 15:25.02 | Arrowmaster | and ruin the fun |
| 15:25.07 | elise | yeah that is what i was told too and that it wouldnt work now they say it is which is it |
| 15:25.29 | Daemona | Arrowmaster way to go to read the topic.. |
| 15:25.42 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah that too |
| 15:26.16 | Arrowmaster | im always in this channel so i dont see the topic except when it changes |
| 15:26.26 | mikma | apparently they fail reading the topic on joining |
| 15:26.42 | mikma | need purl to announce it in privatemessage |
| 15:27.05 | Arrowmaster | chanserv can do that i think |
| 15:27.14 | *** join/#wowuidev elise (i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 15:27.21 | elise | ops |
| 15:27.22 | Arrowmaster | although it would be a notice and not a private message |
| 15:27.29 | elise | oops |
| 15:27.38 | mikma | notice will do |
| 15:32.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Neuro_Medivh (n=neuro@pool-96-226-8-74.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) |
| 15:33.48 | mikma | oh right... |
| 15:33.57 | *** join/#wowuidev p3lim (n=p3lim@212251216176.customer.cdi.no) |
| 15:34.00 | mikma | that elise was using cosmosui.org/irc.php and he didn't find the info |
| 15:35.25 | Fisker- | Don't cosmos have their own channel? |
| 15:35.43 | mikma | http://cosmosui.org/irc.php |
| 15:35.48 | Lothaer | people still use cosmos? |
| 15:35.50 | mikma | go and see where it takes you :) |
| 15:36.10 | Lothaer | :P |
| 15:36.30 | *** join/#wowuidev alcaras (n=chatzill@c-76-119-196-167.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 15:36.31 | Fisker- | I went there |
| 15:36.34 | Fisker- | which is why i asked |
| 15:36.42 | Fisker- | Why connect here if they have their own channel |
| 15:36.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Nikna (n=Nikna@dsl-trebrasgw1-ffa5c300-206.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 15:37.02 | Nikna | LIEK HAI! |
| 15:37.29 | *** join/#wowuidev kay (i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 15:37.37 | mikma | kay: see the topic |
| 15:38.35 | kay | hey is cosmos still working i tred it just a an hour ago and all my chat bar icons are grey what the fuck is up |
| 15:38.43 | Industrial | no |
| 15:38.45 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.10 | Industrial | Anyone know how I can disable the spellcast fail sound? I had it with last patch but it got removed and I cant remember where I got it :< |
| 15:39.22 | Industrial | its a sound you place in the data folder that just plays ntohing |
| 15:39.29 | ievil | would be good to remove the error totally too |
| 15:39.37 | Industrial | addons can do that |
| 15:39.40 | kay | i read the topic but i do not understand all the abbrevations sorry im a computer dumbass |
| 15:39.56 | Industrial | COSMOS DISCONTINUED |
| 15:39.57 | Industrial | --^ |
| 15:40.01 | Industrial | that part of the topic. |
| 15:40.08 | mikma | nicely summed |
| 15:40.19 | kay | ok i was told yesterday that it was updated which is it |
| 15:40.27 | mikma | <1839> <Industrial> COSMOS DISCONTINUED |
| 15:40.38 | Industrial | apparently we dont know because we havent told you three times already \o/ |
| 15:40.45 | kay | ok than why was i told it was working |
| 15:40.51 | Industrial | cause they suck |
| 15:41.01 | mikma | because you were dreaming |
| 15:41.28 | kay | ok i went to wow interface they said it was updated so what is going on |
| 15:41.45 | Industrial | this is the wowinterface irc channel |
| 15:41.46 | mikma | ok we lied |
| 15:41.47 | kay | are you pulling my leg and lying |
| 15:41.56 | mikma | cosmos is updated and working like a charm |
| 15:41.56 | Industrial | god damn |
| 15:41.59 | Industrial | the post is in the topic |
| 15:42.01 | Industrial | http://www.cosmosui.org/showthread.php?t=57724 |
| 15:42.02 | Industrial | read. |
| 15:42.05 | mikma | address changed |
| 15:42.18 | kay | i did i dont understand it |
| 15:42.39 | Industrial | what about discontinued dont you understand? |
| 15:42.45 | mikma | kay: cosmos changed address to http://www.gunthernet.com |
| 15:42.54 | kay | and your links are not working |
| 15:43.14 | Industrial | your brain is not working |
| 15:43.33 | kay | maybe so but your mama is on the sreet corner |
| 15:43.44 | mikma | YO MAMMA FIIIIIIIIGHT! |
| 15:44.18 | Industrial | yo mama's so fat she could be the eighth continent |
| 15:44.43 | kay | it says on the page it will not continue inits former glory but programs will be updated so when is that going to happen i wont play wow till i get this ui back or something 100 percent like it |
| 15:44.47 | Industrial | yo mama is so fat she has 2 bellies |
| 15:45.07 | mikma | yo mama is actually yo papa |
| 15:45.18 | kay | wellthat is so good cause my mooma is dead so talkaway you cocksucking donkey fucker |
| 15:45.30 | mikma | fonkey docker |
| 15:45.57 | Industrial | retards \o/ |
| 15:46.00 | *** join/#wowuidev kay (i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 15:46.11 | Industrial | hi kay, how can I help you? |
| 15:46.19 | mikma | welcome to #wowuidev |
| 15:46.24 | Industrial | hahaha |
| 15:46.46 | *** join/#wowuidev marionlynn (i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 15:46.55 | mikma | COSMOS DISCONTINUED |
| 15:46.58 | mikma | COSMOS DISCONTINUED |
| 15:46.58 | Industrial | ^ |
| 15:47.19 | marionlynn | hello all |
| 15:47.24 | Industrial | hi. |
| 15:47.32 | marionlynn | i am a noob for wow |
| 15:47.32 | mikma | marionlynn: hi kay |
| 15:47.41 | marionlynn | who |
| 15:48.01 | Industrial | kay [i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit |
| 15:48.05 | Industrial | marionlynn [i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined |
| 15:48.20 | mikma | well in this case i can add... |
| 15:48.26 | mikma | <1827> ::: elise [i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wowuidev |
| 15:48.40 | *** join/#wowuidev ievil- (n=asys@wireless12.one2one.net) |
| 15:48.47 | mikma | propably not the same person, but who cares! |
| 15:48.50 | mikma | COSMOS DISCONTINUED |
| 15:49.07 | marionlynn | wellanywho a friend of mine nameddzonna on gnomerragan recomended cosoms i used it for a coupla weeks before patch it was great. i see on home page that |
| 15:49.13 | Industrial | please someone that can react to this normalle, obviosuly i cant, help this person. |
| 15:49.28 | Industrial | normally* |
| 15:50.02 | marionlynn | it wont contine in its former glory. is there any other that any would recomend i loved the quest and map and chat thingie |
| 15:50.16 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com |
| 15:50.29 | Industrial | marionlynn: read the topic of this channel |
| 15:50.45 | Industrial | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Cosmos discontinued: http://www.cosmosui.org/showthread.php?t=57724 , use this to help find replacement mods: http://www.wowinterface.com/survivalguide.php |
| 15:51.10 | Industrial | you ususlly do that before saying anything on irc, because it contains information you should know |
| 15:51.11 | marionlynn | so it is gone for good despite what he home page said sigh |
| 15:51.16 | Industrial | and in this case, it does! |
| 15:51.26 | mikma | marionlynn: cosmosui was COMPILATION of addons |
| 15:51.45 | mikma | most of the parts might be continued but the package won't |
| 15:51.59 | marionlynn | oh it was oh ok how do i get them it updated or find more like them |
| 15:52.09 | mikma | <1850> <mikma> http://www.wowinterface.com |
| 15:52.21 | mikma | <1850> <Industrial> marionlynn: read the topic of this channel |
| 15:53.02 | marionlynn | i went there and it is way too confusing sorry like i said ima noob and a package of addons is easier for me ty |
| 15:53.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Slakah (n=Slakah@5acd4394.bb.sky.com) |
| 15:53.10 | mikma | well then i have an idea |
| 15:53.32 | mikma | tell us your accountname and password and we'll play the game for you!!!11oneone (seriously, don't) |
| 15:53.32 | Industrial | marionlynn: you are just going to have to learn. |
| 15:53.38 | marionlynn | i went to cosoms found it loved it anything else like it |
| 15:54.19 | marionlynn | learn what to make addons well how do i do that |
| 15:54.31 | Industrial | no, how to look for addons |
| 15:54.35 | Industrial | and then install them |
| 15:54.38 | Industrial | and then use them |
| 15:55.00 | marionlynn | ok any ideas for a cosmos replacement |
| 15:55.05 | Industrial | yes |
| 15:55.15 | Industrial | you should also learn what a channel topic is |
| 15:55.23 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.32 | marionlynn | ok how i do that |
| 15:55.35 | Industrial | read that, then dont ask a question but just follow the links and read what they say |
| 15:56.13 | marionlynn | ok itred the links but they dont link i hst geat a hand and when i click i get nothing |
| 15:56.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Unregistered (n=Unregist@g207045.upc-g.chello.nl) |
| 15:56.36 | Unregistered | see |
| 15:56.44 | Unregistered | this is me industrial |
| 15:57.02 | Unregistered | can you see the line of text above the channel text? |
| 15:57.17 | Unregistered | it called the topic. |
| 15:57.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 15:57.23 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 15:57.23 | Unregistered | it has links. open them. |
| 15:57.26 | marionlynn | well i read on his site that parts owuld be so what is the real deal |
| 15:57.51 | marionlynn | they dont work i right click nothing |
| 15:58.08 | mikma | we can't help you |
| 15:58.12 | mikma | sorry about that. |
| 15:58.21 | marionlynn | so hmm this is a bad forum too many fuckingassholes |
| 15:58.28 | mikma | forum |
| 15:58.41 | Industrial | I tried. honestly. |
| 15:58.43 | mikma | we are the forum, resistance is futile. |
| 15:58.57 | mikma | well maybe we can be even more assholes than we were |
| 15:59.07 | mikma | maybe that will teach them.... riiiiiiight |
| 15:59.20 | ZorbaTHut | I liked the whole logoff/rejoin thing. that was amusing. |
| 15:59.22 | *** join/#wowuidev dokomar (n=mew_mast@ppp-70-254-29-40.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net) |
| 15:59.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Dzonna (i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 16:00.50 | mikma | <1849> <marionlynn> wellanywho a friend of mine nameddzonna on gnomerragan recomended... |
| 16:01.18 | *** join/#wowuidev frop (n=hola@unaffiliated/frop) |
| 16:01.21 | mikma | was that the famous dzonna |
| 16:02.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh_ (n=Srosh@d019237.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 16:04.19 | *** join/#wowuidev bittykitty (i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 16:04.35 | mikma | bittykitty: COSMOS DISCONTINUED, READ TOPIC |
| 16:04.36 | bittykitty | hello this is a cosmos question |
| 16:04.47 | Esine | :P |
| 16:04.54 | Lothaer | cosmos caused bad lag |
| 16:04.55 | bittykitty | what does people recomed for replacement |
| 16:05.11 | mikma | we don't recommend anything. |
| 16:05.11 | Lothaer | download a buch of mods and set it up your self |
| 16:05.19 | Lothaer | that way you know what does what |
| 16:06.02 | bittykitty | well i tried that and i dont get it i need a one stop shop and play addon for wow like cosmos is ther any |
| 16:06.11 | Industrial | cladhaire: can you respond friendly please? |
| 16:06.14 | Industrial | there are none! |
| 16:06.21 | Industrial | LEARN to do it yourself |
| 16:06.29 | Industrial | lazy ass .... |
| 16:06.29 | bittykitty | what!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:06.47 | Esine | yeah FUCK USERS who why should they be given an easy to use package!! |
| 16:06.54 | Esine | l2code nabs |
| 16:06.58 | bittykitty | well that means ill get rid of wow than |
| 16:07.06 | Esine | } // sarcasm |
| 16:07.18 | Industrial | Esine: yeah, we are clearly taliking about creating addons and not being able to install them |
| 16:07.20 | ZorbaTHut | I think some of the guys here are being dicks, but, seriously, what makes you think getting rid of wow would be a threat to us? :P |
| 16:07.24 | bittykitty | cause without cosmos im lost |
| 16:07.32 | ZorbaTHut | we don't get paid for doing this, either by blizzard or by users |
| 16:07.35 | ZorbaTHut | (well most of us don't) |
| 16:07.36 | cladhaire | guys, please stop being rude |
| 16:07.44 | Lothaer | OMG big kitty are you serious? |
| 16:07.58 | bittykitty | not a threat just saying it aint fun without cosomos i cant chat or anything |
| 16:08.11 | cladhaire | if you want to have a canned response to answer their question, I suggest you write one up and post it |
| 16:08.16 | bittykitty | yes i am i wont play without cosmos |
| 16:08.26 | cladhaire | but it should be well constructed and point them towards resources they can use to build their user interface |
| 16:08.26 | cladhaire | HELL |
| 16:08.32 | cladhaire | send them to the compilations sections on curse and wowi |
| 16:08.35 | cladhaire | but stop being rude, please. |
| 16:08.35 | ievil- | bittykitty, there are tons of better solutions than cosmos |
| 16:08.38 | Lothaer | here go download Titan, X-Perl and Prat that will get you started |
| 16:08.58 | Industrial | cladhaire: i already linked the man/woman 10 times |
| 16:09.01 | Lothaer | hey bigkitty |
| 16:09.20 | bittykitty | i tried titan and all tem i dint like the way the crowded my screen play cosmos was perfect for me |
| 16:09.30 | Lothaer | when i started i used cosmos till it fubared my latency, then i switched to Insomniax Recompilation |
| 16:09.31 | Industrial | Q_Q |
| 16:09.45 | Lothaer | after that i switch to downloading individual mods |
| 16:09.54 | cladhaire | Industrial: linking them the entire topic doesn't help |
| 16:09.55 | cladhaire | its confusing |
| 16:09.58 | Lothaer | did u lower your UI scale? |
| 16:10.14 | cladhaire | make a post on wowinterface that details some alternative compilations, as well as how to build your own custom UI |
| 16:10.18 | cladhaire | if you want to be produce |
| 16:10.20 | cladhaire | hah |
| 16:10.20 | cladhaire | produce |
| 16:10.23 | Arrowmaster | cladhaire: what comilations section on curse =D |
| 16:10.25 | cladhaire | productive |
| 16:10.27 | Industrial | cladhaire: I linked the links 10 times. |
| 16:10.34 | cladhaire | Industrial: yes, and you were an asshole each time :P |
| 16:10.38 | cladhaire | as per usual |
| 16:10.41 | Lothaer | lol |
| 16:10.49 | Industrial | so, your point :D |
| 16:10.54 | cladhaire | if you're this upset about being in this channel, leave for right now until things die down |
| 16:11.00 | cladhaire | otherwise we can try to find a way to help them out |
| 16:11.06 | Lothaer | OMG DARTH VADAR IS LUKE SKYWALKERS FATHER!!! |
| 16:11.11 | cladhaire | there are a lot of cosmos users who will be looking for other ways to build their UI |
| 16:11.31 | Esine | and now cladhaire flees the scene in the critical moment |
| 16:11.37 | Lothaer | rofl |
| 16:11.40 | clad|away | ive got shit to do bitches :P |
| 16:11.42 | bittykitty | nocurse went to both dint like em too confusing i dont know how to lower ui scale, a freind recommed maxtix something or other and |
| 16:11.55 | Thunder_Child | ~fail clad|away |
| 16:11.55 | purl | clad|away: FAIL! |
| 16:12.00 | Lothaer | do not use wowmatrix |
| 16:12.06 | bittykitty | ok why |
| 16:12.11 | Lothaer | ok bigkitty are you in game? |
| 16:12.31 | Lothaer | cause it steals bandwith from mod sites and makes a profit |
| 16:12.38 | Thunder_Child | ffs Lothaer, at least get the name right |
| 16:12.46 | Lothaer | ???? |
| 16:12.55 | Thunder_Child | bittykitty, not bigkitty |
| 16:12.57 | bittykitty | no im not i wont go in game or play till i getmy cosomos add ons back |
| 16:13.02 | Lothaer | lol |
| 16:13.11 | Lothaer | rofl |
| 16:13.19 | Lothaer | ok BITTYkitty |
| 16:13.23 | Lothaer | what mods come with cosmos? |
| 16:13.24 | Thunder_Child | better |
| 16:13.25 | bittykitty | ty |
| 16:13.37 | mikma | <1911> <@clad|away> ive got shit to do bitches :P |
| 16:13.47 | Industrial | you are making me so sad I'm going to crawl in a corner now and cry and sod because there are people this numb. |
| 16:13.53 | mikma | so cool comment |
| 16:13.55 | bittykitty | so os ther anything like cosmos at all that i can use i loved it |
| 16:14.10 | Lothaer | answer my question |
| 16:14.21 | Arrowmaster | the kitchen sink |
| 16:14.25 | bittykitty | i dont know |
| 16:14.28 | Lothaer | i will tell you were to get updated versions the ones that are in cosmos |
| 16:14.35 | Industrial | Arrowmaster: ouch :D |
| 16:14.38 | Lothaer | thats our point |
| 16:14.46 | Arrowmaster | the kitchen sink! |
| 16:14.56 | Lothaer | your using a compilatipon of other peoples mods and you have no idea what they are or do |
| 16:14.57 | Cide | oh, snap |
| 16:14.58 | bittykitty | what is your point |
| 16:15.04 | Lothaer | go download the same mods your self |
| 16:15.23 | Lothaer | sorry if im sounding mean im not trying to |
| 16:15.35 | mikma | Cide: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/snap.jpg |
| 16:15.46 | Industrial | ahah |
| 16:15.53 | bittykitty | well im sorry but i like cosmos and till it comesback i wont be playing wow |
| 16:16.00 | Cide | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 16:16.01 | Cide | WOW |
| 16:16.11 | Cide | blizzard will surely miss you. |
| 16:16.20 | ZorbaTHut | I hope you enjoyed your time with wow, then, 'cause you're not gonna be playing anymore :P the guys who did cosmos have moved on |
| 16:16.32 | Cide | bittykitty: that's totally ridiculous |
| 16:16.37 | Industrial | didnt I say that like an hour ago? btw? |
| 16:16.43 | mikma | bittykitty: legendary comment |
| 16:16.50 | Industrial | lets put it in the topic |
| 16:16.52 | Industrial | xD |
| 16:17.19 | bittykitty | ok so how do i find the addosn that i like and get em to work |
| 16:17.32 | zenzelezz | does Gandling not spawn until you've killed all the adds (not just minibosses)? |
| 16:17.33 | Lothaer | bittykitty do you still have the mods that come in cosmos installed? |
| 16:17.37 | bittykitty | if i do not know what they are |
| 16:17.43 | Lothaer | OMG |
| 16:17.55 | bittykitty | nope when it wouldnt work i uninstalled wow |
| 16:18.00 | Arrowmaster | afaik some of those mods only came in cosmos |
| 16:18.03 | Lothaer | let me guess u were using the cosmos installer right? |
| 16:18.03 | mikma | wowinterface has eveb pictures off the addons |
| 16:18.07 | Cide | ok |
| 16:18.09 | mikma | and big descriptions |
| 16:18.10 | Cide | he's just trolling guys |
| 16:18.23 | bittykitty | yep |
| 16:18.24 | mikma | ok |
| 16:18.31 | Lothaer | ./slap |
| 16:18.32 | Cide | stop trying to help him |
| 16:18.38 | Lothaer | ~slap bittykitty |
| 16:18.39 | purl | ACTION slaps bittykitty, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 16:18.47 | mikma | cide outsmarted us |
| 16:18.50 | mikma | again |
| 16:19.03 | dokomar | lol |
| 16:19.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Unregistered (n=Unregist@wetering.xs4all.nl) |
| 16:19.36 | bittykitty | what is this hitting me for i really dont know thisstuff i panicked called wow and they told me uninstall andreinstall so that is what im going to do |
| 16:20.03 | Lothaer | sorry bitty but i have ignored you |
| 16:20.15 | *** part/#wowuidev Unregistered (n=Unregist@wetering.xs4all.nl) |
| 16:20.17 | Industrial | cosmosui, please just remove the chat >_< |
| 16:20.36 | bittykitty | ok im sorry for being so stupid but i no computer whiz i just usually click and play lol |
| 16:20.57 | Industrial | and now you need to put in a little effort |
| 16:20.57 | mikma | lvl5 forumtroll |
| 16:21.02 | Lothaer | Mythic vs Blizzard - who will win? |
| 16:21.04 | mikma | *BANG* |
| 16:21.12 | Neuro_Medivh | both |
| 16:21.17 | Industrial | me |
| 16:21.18 | Neuro_Medivh | WAR will do just fine on it's own |
| 16:21.18 | Industrial | :D |
| 16:21.25 | dokomar | bitty i can rerccomend some addons that i use that do work with 3.0 might not have the same functionality as cosmos but they do the job pretty well |
| 16:21.32 | bittykitty | okay what ever im trying to get help but im not getting any ty for the wakeup call no wonder people are leaving wow for spore |
| 16:21.41 | Slakah | lol |
| 16:21.51 | ZorbaTHut | for . . . spore? |
| 16:21.53 | Neuro_Medivh | cause cosmos not being continued is totally WoW's fault |
| 16:21.55 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 16:21.57 | dokomar | ... spore is a joke... |
| 16:22.03 | mikma | spor =D |
| 16:22.07 | Lothaer | lol |
| 16:22.14 | mikma | +e, with lag |
| 16:22.45 | Neuro_Medivh | Is there even anything in cosmos who's functionality isn't replicated in another standalone mod? |
| 16:22.54 | mikma | 3G irc gogoooooooooooo |
| 16:23.06 | *** join/#wowuidev bittykitty (i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 16:23.14 | dokomar | function WereF***ed |
| 16:23.19 | *** join/#wowuidev bittykitty (i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 16:23.23 | mikma | hi, welcome to wowuidev |
| 16:23.52 | *** join/#wowuidev dummy (i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 16:23.53 | dokomar | if (spore == fun) then (mankind == brain loss) |
| 16:24.12 | *** join/#wowuidev dummy (i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 16:24.28 | Industrial | dummy: end |
| 16:24.33 | dummy | bonjour |
| 16:24.39 | mikma | hey AnduinLothar cmon, forward the cockmos-irc to some other channel |
| 16:24.49 | Industrial | AnduinLothar: ^ |
| 16:24.53 | Industrial | or deal with it yourself |
| 16:24.56 | Industrial | :| |
| 16:25.21 | Thunder_Child | you guys fail, L2dealwithpeople |
| 16:25.39 | *** join/#wowuidev dummy (i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 16:25.49 | Industrial | I bet you you cant help this person either |
| 16:25.55 | Neuro_Medivh | why can't people L2dealw/me? |
| 16:25.56 | mikma | Thunder_Child: your turn to deal with the next one that aint the same troll |
| 16:26.38 | Thunder_Child | there is a differance between saying "i cant help you" and "Fuck off" |
| 16:26.51 | zenzelezz | I would have to agree with TC |
| 16:27.09 | mikma | who said fuck off, the bastard |
| 16:27.19 | Thunder_Child | you guys did more or less |
| 16:27.31 | mikma | prove it! |
| 16:27.35 | Lothaer | http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h10/lothaer/LunarIconsV61.jpg |
| 16:27.52 | Lothaer | can anyone else suggest some more icons i can add? |
| 16:28.28 | Industrial | I didnt tell anyone to fuck off, I just told her (i take it) to read the link again and again |
| 16:30.17 | Vilkku | http://www.softpedia.com/get/Others/Miscellaneous/WoW-Cleaner.shtml anyone know if that a) still works properly and b) if not, is there any newer tool with similar functionality? |
| 16:30.24 | Industrial | is it? no. is it? no. can i? no. can i? no. I cant make it any clearer then that. if you disagree then you are welcome to answer yourself. |
| 16:31.19 | *** join/#wowuidev elisegolddragon (i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 16:31.36 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: go, then. |
| 16:31.37 | elisegolddragon | cosmos question |
| 16:31.40 | Industrial | your turn/ |
| 16:31.54 | Industrial | ill give you cookies if you can do it. |
| 16:32.36 | dokomar | hey i have a question, can anyone explain this error? "bad argument #1 to 'floor' (number expected, got table)" |
| 16:33.17 | Industrial | dokomar: is it an addon you use or one you are making |
| 16:33.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 16:33.58 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 16:34.07 | elisegolddragon | hey what does this error mean/qh broken tag line missing |
| 16:34.16 | Thunder_Child | huh what? sorry i was scrolled up |
| 16:34.32 | dokomar | so it's a general error that ties in with the error that i'm getting with the asddon |
| 16:34.39 | mikma | Thunder_Child: your turn, elisegolddragon, go. |
| 16:34.39 | dokomar | addon^ |
| 16:34.54 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: you disagree with my approach. help elisegolddragon and get cookies if you succeed. |
| 16:35.05 | Cide | dokomar: you did math.floor({}) |
| 16:35.09 | Cide | where {} is a table |
| 16:35.13 | Thunder_Child | lies, you never hand out cookies Industrial |
| 16:35.19 | Cide | the error says exactly what the problem is, you know |
| 16:35.31 | Cide | line number, error, argument number |
| 16:35.33 | mikma | you would be the first |
| 16:35.42 | Industrial | if you give me your address ill bake you cookies and video tape it, and send you the tape and cookies. |
| 16:35.56 | Slakah | Its a trap |
| 16:36.00 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 16:36.01 | Industrial | however, you will have to help elisegolddragon set her interface up first |
| 16:36.03 | mikma | rape |
| 16:36.05 | elisegolddragon | it say something is wrong with questhelper cartogrpher and my chat bar even after an update |
| 16:36.10 | Thunder_Child | Industrial + my address = scarry shit |
| 16:36.20 | Industrial | not going to happen, amirite? |
| 16:36.40 | elisegolddragon | ok folks i think i got ill usewowmatrix as suggested by wow gm |
| 16:37.00 | mikma | elisegolddragon: troll much? |
| 16:37.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Unregistered4543 (n=Unregist@84.204.157.150) |
| 16:37.06 | mikma | he was here earlier |
| 16:37.09 | elisegolddragon | is it as good as cosomos i heard about curse any others |
| 16:37.36 | elisegolddragon | no i dont read harry potter i watch the movies |
| 16:37.45 | Thunder_Child | books are btter |
| 16:37.48 | Thunder_Child | better* |
| 16:38.06 | Cide | books are at least an order of magnitude better |
| 16:38.12 | Cide | the books* |
| 16:38.15 | elisegolddragon | so i aint in no bathroom with my wand up somebodys nose |
| 16:38.16 | mikma | hahahaha |
| 16:38.27 | mikma | nice one |
| 16:38.37 | elisegolddragon | so no i aint trolling whatever that is |
| 16:38.49 | Thunder_Child | ~expelliarmus elisegolddragon |
| 16:38.49 | purl | ACTION disarms elisegolddragon's wand |
| 16:39.25 | elisegolddragon | so my wand aint up nobodys nose ty very much |
| 16:39.32 | elisegolddragon | ok |
| 16:39.43 | elisegolddragon | ill try the books |
| 16:39.48 | Thunder_Child | you do that |
| 16:40.05 | mikma | Thunder_Child: ok that doesnt count as cosmos-help |
| 16:40.08 | dokomar | so all i need to do is correct the nill value and the math table problem goes away... |
| 16:40.34 | elisegolddragon | so what do i do for a fantastic replacement |
| 16:40.57 | elisegolddragon | any ideas |
| 16:41.08 | Thunder_Child | do your own thing |
| 16:41.20 | elisegolddragon | ok whatever |
| 16:41.31 | dokomar | i'm not familiar with cosmos at all, but if you need questing help, carbonite works fairly well |
| 16:41.33 | mikma | now that was a gentle "fuco off" |
| 16:41.43 | mikma | with lagtypo |
| 16:41.49 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i was going to say thats how most people do it..but i am not so sure anymore. |
| 16:41.55 | Thunder_Child | how many people used cosmos? |
| 16:41.55 | Chompers | what a great quit message |
| 16:42.04 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, most people are dumb, and don't want to think. |
| 16:42.12 | Thunder_Child | thats ok, neither do i |
| 16:42.39 | dokomar | aye me too. which is why i have a job where all i do is read a script to ppl |
| 16:42.47 | Industrial | i dont want to think dumb, so i dont like talking to dumb people that cant think industrial. |
| 16:43.05 | Thunder_Child | i have you beat, i dont have a job |
| 16:43.29 | Industrial | dokomar: heh, what do you do |
| 16:43.45 | dokomar | comcast internet tech support |
| 16:43.52 | dokomar | from meh HOUSE |
| 16:43.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-171-31-114.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 16:44.13 | Industrial | oh so you are used to this kind of thing/people? |
| 16:44.20 | Industrial | say so earlier :D |
| 16:44.26 | dokomar | yah lol :P |
| 16:45.12 | dokomar | u have no idea how stupid the people of the USA are... -.- |
| 16:45.25 | Industrial | I think I dont want to know :( |
| 16:45.38 | Shirik | hey |
| 16:45.49 | Industrial | http://www.break.com/index/insane-rainbow-conspiracy-lady.html |
| 16:45.51 | Industrial | hey Shirik |
| 16:45.56 | Industrial | dokomar: ----% |
| 16:46.00 | Shirik | dokomar: It's ok, Comcast isn't too bad |
| 16:46.02 | Industrial | watch that |
| 16:46.02 | Industrial | :P |
| 16:46.10 | Shirik | If you worked for Brighthouse tech support I'd have to kill you |
| 16:46.29 | dokomar | lol my company has brighthouse agents |
| 16:46.34 | Shirik | oh, I'm sorry |
| 16:46.49 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (n=sioraioc@94-192-60-10.zone6.bethere.co.uk) |
| 16:47.18 | dokomar | <--- is a subcontracted tech |
| 16:48.01 | Shirik | I used to be a subcontractor |
| 16:48.07 | Shirik | never want to do that again |
| 16:48.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (n=kalroth@2506ds1-hj.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 16:48.16 | Shirik | Filing taxes was a pita |
| 16:48.25 | Thunder_Child | hardly |
| 16:48.28 | dokomar | trust me, neither do i :/ |
| 16:50.40 | Legorol | My realm has login queues.. that's something I haven't seen for over year, interesting. |
| 16:50.41 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMWC7VoaC0k |
| 16:51.13 | dokomar | dude my company's in canada and i live in the USA u know what kinda price u have to pay for H&R just do do out of country W-4? omg.... |
| 16:51.18 | zenzelezz | Legorol: Silvermoon? Not that surprised... people kept transferring to there |
| 16:51.57 | Shirik | Legorol: My realm is tiny and has the same problem |
| 16:53.22 | Legorol | zenzelezz: indeed |
| 16:53.36 | Legorol | and i think the latest wave of stability problems might have made Blizz reduce the cap on the realm |
| 16:53.58 | Legorol | or it's just a matter of post-patch sunday happiness, everyone's playing now |
| 16:54.08 | *** join/#wowuidev MoonWolf (n=MoonWolf@i209133.upc-i.chello.nl) |
| 16:54.08 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v MoonWolf] by ChanServ |
| 16:54.57 | Thunder_Child | http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/09/scuba-diving-sign-china.jpg |
| 16:57.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-171-31-114.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 16:59.44 | Shirik | I like fartherer |
| 17:00.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Riffage- (n=nnscript@78-86-205-138.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 17:00.16 | Thunder_Child | who doesnt |
| 17:02.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Quarak (n=Quarak@80-247-22-30.cust.zycomm.uk.net) |
| 17:02.48 | Thunder_Child | WTB this sign for my place http://www.engrish.com/2008/07/i-always-wondered-where-the-grinch-lived/ |
| 17:03.11 | Quarak | Hi folks |
| 17:04.55 | Shirik | who mosaic'ed out that sign? |
| 17:05.04 | Thunder_Child | dunno |
| 17:05.08 | Shirik | It has been proven that mosaics are horrible for text |
| 17:05.25 | Shirik | it is very easy to reconstruct the text |
| 17:05.31 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, really think anyone is going to bother doing it? |
| 17:05.39 | Shirik | I want to go see that sign irl! |
| 17:06.55 | Thunder_Child | so go |
| 17:07.00 | Thunder_Child | GO GO GO GO GO! |
| 17:07.54 | *** part/#wowuidev ievil- (n=asys@wireless12.one2one.net) |
| 17:08.05 | Quarak | Is anyone here playing around wiuth the new calendar api yet? |
| 17:08.18 | Cide | http://failblog.org/2008/10/05/science-fail/ |
| 17:09.53 | mikma | ahahahaha |
| 17:10.04 | mikma | comedy+ |
| 17:10.18 | Thunder_Child | wow |
| 17:10.49 | Mundyz | i want to write a script to use on kg panels, when i change zone to update the text. can anyone point me to the function(s) i'd use? |
| 17:11.21 | mikma | http://www.wowwiki.com |
| 17:11.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Mundyz: look up ZONE_CHANGED iirc |
| 17:12.36 | ScytheBlade1 | In specific |
| 17:12.37 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Z |
| 17:13.09 | Mundyz | thanks |
| 17:13.37 | Shirik | Cide: Interestingly enough, I had a PalmOS app that turned my PDA into a mirror a while ago |
| 17:14.00 | Cide | did it do it by displaying the scan of a mirror? |
| 17:14.02 | Shirik | But obviously that's due to the shinyness |
| 17:14.10 | Shirik | It just turned on all the pixels |
| 17:14.19 | Shirik | the shinyness of the screen |
| 17:14.27 | Cide | I figured :P |
| 17:14.50 | mikma | my nokia n810 can be turned into a mirror |
| 17:14.55 | mikma | really, really ugly mirror |
| 17:14.59 | mikma | oh wait.. |
| 17:15.53 | Shirik | Generally if I need a mirror I go into the bathroom |
| 17:17.34 | Shirik | omfg |
| 17:17.41 | Shirik | Cide, did you ever look for the actual post? |
| 17:17.47 | Shirik | The reply to the answer is even better |
| 17:17.56 | Shirik | "Anyway, it seems like it may be possible, maybe not now, but with future monitors." |
| 17:18.19 | Shirik | he refuses to believe the technology of monitors |
| 17:18.44 | Thunder_Child | well a cam above and below the monitor (or in the middle with tech) would more or less do it |
| 17:19.33 | Thunder_Child | + you could do it with some simple advances in tech, and yes, i could even see why it would be done |
| 17:19.40 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (n=nevin@c-76-24-240-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 17:19.40 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 17:19.49 | Cide | Shirik: I didn't |
| 17:20.03 | *** join/#wowuidev RockSlice (i=kvirc@c-76-123-69-54.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 17:23.44 | Lothaer | added some new images http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h10/lothaer/LunarIconsV7.jpg any comments? |
| 17:23.56 | Lothaer | these icons are for a mod called LunarSphere |
| 17:25.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Mike-N-Go (n=MikeNGoS@michaelg20.goshen.edu) |
| 17:27.17 | *** join/#wowuidev sylvanaar (n=sylvanaa@unaffiliated/sylvanaar) |
| 17:28.37 | *** join/#wowuidev elisegolddragon (i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 17:37.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (i=amarande@24-151-54-237.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 17:39.16 | Amarande | *sigh* |
| 17:39.25 | Amarande | ever get that feeling of lost confidence in a guild that you're officer in? |
| 17:39.38 | Neuro_Medivh | hell, I've lost confidence in a guild I was leader of =) |
| 17:39.39 | Amarande | to the point that you think that you might not want to guild your next alt, or even create said alt on that server? |
| 17:39.42 | alestane | More than once, I'm afraid. |
| 17:40.52 | Amarande | I guess I'd be better off still creating it on the server, with the amount of money and tradeskill resources my other characters have, but ... :| |
| 17:40.52 | Shirik | is alestane in your guild, Amarande? |
| 17:40.52 | Shirik | I'm kidding I'm kidding, please don't kill me! |
| 17:40.52 | Amarande | LOL, unless he plays horde on Quel'dorei, he probably isn't even someone I've ever met in game |
| 17:41.39 | Amarande | Neuro, do you think there's still room for new PvE guilds in WoW? |
| 17:41.50 | Amarande | or are things pretty much entirely ossified now, and unlikely to change even with WOTLK? |
| 17:42.12 | Amarande | I *have* heard that when BC came out, there was a lot of big changes to guilds on many servers |
| 17:42.35 | Amarande | but I've also heard that WOTLK is much less likely to produce such changes, if anything, the fact that T6 grade epics will be usable for several levels suggests that the same guilds will mainly exist at 80 as at 70 |
| 17:42.57 | Neuro_Medivh | Amarande, many servers changed the 'top guild' with BC |
| 17:43.02 | Quarak | Hardcore guild alreadyhave had massive fragmentation |
| 17:43.12 | Neuro_Medivh | but keep in mind... most new guilds are just filled with people from other, failed guilds |
| 17:43.18 | Quarak | Teh patch meeses with tehir raiding anmd once a harcore guild stops raiding people leave |
| 17:43.49 | Amarande | well, in our case, our guild seems to be in the process of disintegrating |
| 17:43.49 | Neuro_Medivh | you might consider a new server... when LK goes live, I'm guessing a few new servers will open |
| 17:43.56 | Quarak | Right sorry to harp on, Is anyone else investigationg the callender API? |
| 17:44.19 | Amarande | there's like, one small core of maybe 5-7 or so friends who are on regularly, of which I am one |
| 17:44.20 | Neuro_Medivh | also, horde pve guilds don't fare so well |
| 17:44.23 | Amarande | and ... hardly anyone else shows up |
| 17:44.30 | Neuro_Medivh | unless they are on a pvp server |
| 17:44.36 | Amarande | neuro: that seems odd |
| 17:44.41 | Amarande | why would a pve guild do better on a pvp server? |
| 17:44.59 | ScytheBlade1 | With the PvE <--> PvP transfers now, the point is moot |
| 17:45.01 | Amarande | or do Alliance simply have more advantages accruing to them in PvE in character-trait terms than Horde do? |
| 17:45.09 | Amarande | like ... do alliance racials make them better raiders? |
| 17:45.19 | Neuro_Medivh | well, for horde, it's because pvp servers are where horde has the majority |
| 17:45.27 | ScytheBlade1 | But previously, no small number of raiding talent kept to PvP servers, because they "didn't want to get stuck on a PvE" |
| 17:45.37 | Amarande | hmm ... Quel'dorei is PvE and I'm pretty sure that we have a horde majority |
| 17:45.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Which, oddly, kept them stuck on a PvP |
| 17:45.48 | Amarande | at least, judging by the pathetically small number of people in SW during peak hours when I went to do Stocks |
| 17:45.55 | Neuro_Medivh | but PvP players also tend to be more hardcore |
| 17:46.04 | Amarande | I only died ONCE from a player. The other times were getting lost and caught by guards |
| 17:46.18 | Amarande | because the SW changes in 3.0 made the coordinates I had incorrect |
| 17:46.31 | Neuro_Medivh | also, the most important factor is that PvP improves your PvE play immensely |
| 17:46.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:46.48 | Amarande | I suppose Alliance racials might also be a factor, too |
| 17:46.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Forward left forward left right forward |
| 17:46.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Bam you're there |
| 17:46.59 | Amarande | especially with the HUGE impact of rep in Burning Crusade |
| 17:47.19 | Amarande | humans got all the rep recipes 10% faster |
| 17:47.19 | Neuro_Medivh | If you do Arena and BGs all day, your situational awareness is far better than the standard pve player who never pvps |
| 17:48.15 | Neuro_Medivh | also, premades with your guild in pvp make for excellent team-building exercises |
| 17:48.37 | Amarande | but is that awareness a skill that can directly be translated into better raiding? |
| 17:48.51 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 17:49.20 | Neuro_Medivh | good raiding is at least 50% situational awareness, if not more |
| 17:49.41 | Neuro_Medivh | hell, some fights are 99% situational awareness, like Archimonde or Illidari Council |
| 17:49.51 | Neuro_Medivh | 'Don't stand in the AE!" |
| 17:50.09 | alestane | "Charred Earth, MOVE!" |
| 17:50.19 | zenzelezz | Archimonde isn't 99% situational... it's at least 20% DON'T DIE TO FALL |
| 17:50.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (n=Antiarc@wsip-70-167-195-98.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 17:50.40 | Quarak | Anthing that build comunication and team skills is good for raiding |
| 17:51.04 | ScytheBlade1 | hehehe, charred earth. As the attentive ranged DPS who always yelled at the people standing in the charred earth |
| 17:51.15 | Amarande | yeah, I don't consider 'dont stand in the fire' to be an especially difficult situational awareness skill |
| 17:51.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I never heard the end of it the time I looked over on the other monitor and inadvertently stood in the charred earth |
| 17:51.25 | Amarande | maybe some initial learning as to what 'fire' looks like for a given boss |
| 17:51.27 | Amarande | but that's about it heh |
| 17:51.37 | alestane | I finally got my spell detail turned up to the point where I can see more than just the puffs of smoke. |
| 17:51.51 | ScytheBlade1 | That helps too, yeah. That helps a lot even |
| 17:51.52 | Amarande | but generally |
| 17:51.56 | Amarande | 'if it glows and isn't ours, it's fire' |
| 17:52.10 | Quarak | As a Rl it seems I spend 50% of my tiome shouting dont stand in the [Red|Greed|Black] stuff |
| 17:52.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Sometimes blue! |
| 17:52.28 | Amarande | Quarak: you probably have raid members that suck, then |
| 17:52.30 | Quarak | And 30% hassling palladins for buffs |
| 17:52.38 | Quarak | All to otrue |
| 17:52.46 | Amarande | and lemme guess, then when you got to netherspite you had to spend 90% of your time shouting 'STAND in the beam! STAND in the beam!' |
| 17:53.07 | Quarak | Ahh no, 10 mans are my escape |
| 17:53.17 | Quarak | Do them with the decent guild members |
| 17:53.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Archimonde has been a love/hate relationship |
| 17:53.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 99% of the time we can't keep the people out of the fire |
| 17:53.31 | Quarak | Our guild is a mostly social gui;ld that does some raids |
| 17:53.32 | alestane | "STAND in the beam but not in the black stuff!" |
| 17:53.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Then when we wipe, 99% of the time those same people can't back in the fire fast enough. |
| 17:54.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I say "love/hate" instead of "hate/hate/hate/hate" because I can't really complain about having a 30 silver repair bill for the entire night |
| 17:57.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Sangi (n=Sangi@adsl-074-180-078-094.sip.msy.bellsouth.net) |
| 17:57.32 | *** part/#wowuidev Sangi (n=Sangi@adsl-074-180-078-094.sip.msy.bellsouth.net) |
| 17:58.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (n=funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 17:59.56 | Amarande | Scythe: ahh, you have THAT kind of player |
| 18:00.06 | Amarande | the kind that not only stands in fire, but if they are not standing in fire, they find a fire and go stand in it |
| 18:00.27 | ScytheBlade1 | On Archimonde, if you can die in the fire, no durability loss |
| 18:00.48 | ScytheBlade1 | On the flip side, if you die at all, if any one person dies - it's typically a wipe |
| 18:00.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Cairenn (n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 18:00.54 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 18:01.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence why it's a battle between keeping people out of the fire, and when someone does die, getting them back in :P |
| 18:02.42 | *** join/#wowuidev nuoHep (n=nuoHep@89.222.156.36) |
| 18:04.13 | NightHawkTheSane | to be fair, that fire's kinda twichy, its sometimes not actually there. :P |
| 18:05.33 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Talking something like 150 attempts on him |
| 18:06.04 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 18:06.08 | Amarande | so, apparently, I should have rolled carebear from the beginning, and the best thing I can do if I want to hold onto some of my resources is to pool all my money over to one character, use the neutral auction house to bring it across factions, and then transfer the money mule to where I feel like playing carebear? |
| 18:06.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah.. my old guild did something like that number of attempts, maybe more. never got him down. >< |
| 18:06.57 | Amarande | some of you guys sound like you have guildies who need a visit from *Intensive* Care Bear |
| 18:07.20 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.26 | Amarande | Intensive Care Bear is the one who carries a crowbar :) |
| 18:08.43 | Cairenn | morning |
| 18:08.49 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn |
| 18:08.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Mikk (n=Mikk@WoWUIDev/mikk) |
| 18:09.17 | Amarande | anyway, is there a PvE server around at all with a decent horde raiding guild that raids Tuesday and Wednesday nights? |
| 18:09.28 | Amarande | or do I need to get used to being griefed or roll alliance |
| 18:09.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Codex| (i=Codex_@CPE001346f71097-CM00159a3f1452.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 18:09.53 | Mikk | only tue & wed? |
| 18:10.00 | Mikk | you... might have to look for quite a while to meet that requirement |
| 18:10.09 | Amarande | Mikk: well, those are the only two nights I can really have 90+% reliability with work |
| 18:10.09 | Codex| | getting a -real- weird problem- dont know if its my client or an addon. lets say im getting low on mana, so my client plays a little sound effect for it. for some reason, my sound effects are looping every 1.5sec |
| 18:10.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 18:10.14 | Codex| | so i hear swooosh. swoosh. swoosh |
| 18:10.20 | Amarande | since I almost always work in the afternoon and morning on those two days |
| 18:10.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Codex|: your if statement is broke. look there |
| 18:10.34 | Amarande | any other night, I could be socked with an evening shift without any forewarning till the Friday before when schedules come out |
| 18:10.46 | Amarande | and in particular, I -usually- work the weekend evenings |
| 18:10.58 | Codex| | whats a statement? |
| 18:11.02 | Codex| | i mean, in this sense |
| 18:11.13 | Mikk | your "if" statement |
| 18:11.16 | Codex| | oh |
| 18:11.31 | Codex| | so its a mod and not my client? |
| 18:11.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Doow (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/doow) |
| 18:11.52 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be what I have my money on |
| 18:12.09 | Mikk | Something tells me codex isn't a dev |
| 18:12.26 | Codex| | heh :P |
| 18:12.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ... or that |
| 18:12.50 | Amarande | in particular, it seems that 90+% of raiding guilds seem to want weekend evening availability |
| 18:12.56 | Codex| | and if im getting bugsack errors in \interface\framexml\*.lua files... whats up with that? |
| 18:12.58 | Amarande | then again, I'm also sure 90+% of raiding guilds suck |
| 18:13.09 | Amarande | and I'm not sure how much the venn diagram for those two sets intersects :) |
| 18:13.20 | mikma | Codex|: get Swatter from auctioneer :P |
| 18:13.31 | Amarande | probably about 81% of raiding guilds want weekend evening availability, and also suck. :) |
| 18:13.34 | Mikk | yeah.. then he'll get swatter errors in \interface\framexml\* instead |
| 18:13.37 | Mikk | much more helpful |
| 18:13.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (n=funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 18:13.54 | Mikk | Amarande: Guild with slightly older people tend to leave friday & saturday evenings alone |
| 18:14.13 | mikma | what i understood was that he's getting bugsack errors :D |
| 18:14.18 | Mikk | Codex|: What it boils down to is that your error description is NOT nearly enough to say anything. |
| 18:14.21 | Amarande | yeah, there seem to be an awful lot of school kids on wow :| |
| 18:14.24 | Mikk | Codex|: We'd need much more of the error message |
| 18:14.43 | Mikk | mikma: i was taking it as "bugsack is showing me errors" |
| 18:15.06 | mikma | because he didn't say it like that i took the other :I |
| 18:15.11 | Codex| | damn sec, bugsack isnt letting me select from its frame |
| 18:15.34 | Codex| | Interface\FrameXML\UIPanelTemplates.lua:32: attempt to index local 'tab' (a number value): |
| 18:15.34 | Codex| | <string>:"*:OnLoad":2: in function <[string "*:OnLoad"]:1> |
| 18:16.04 | Codex| | also, im going to paste another one only 2 lines long |
| 18:16.05 | Codex| | Interface\FrameXML\UIDropDownMenu.lua:809: attempt to index local 'frame' (a number value): |
| 18:16.05 | Codex| | <string>:"*:OnLoad":1: in function <[string "*:OnLoad"]:1> |
| 18:16.14 | Codex| | theres a few |
| 18:20.25 | Codex| | is that an addon error? because its not in an addon folder |
| 18:20.42 | Mikk | Is there more stuff in the frame? |
| 18:21.05 | Codex| | which frame? |
| 18:21.18 | Mikk | bugsack frame |
| 18:21.39 | Codex| | not relating to \frmaexml\ files |
| 18:21.43 | *** join/#wowuidev molgar (i=Molgar@c5394BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) |
| 18:21.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 18:21.55 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 18:23.48 | molgar | is there any debugg tools out there that can show me exactly where the bug is ? getting an error i cant findout where comes from, Interface\FrameXML\UIParent.lua:2274: attempt to compare number with nil: <string>:"*:OnUpdate":1: in function <[string "*:OnUpdate"]:1> |
| 18:24.35 | NightHawkTheSane | can someone link me to iriel's secure header pdf? |
| 18:25.48 | Iriel | No 8-) |
| 18:25.53 | NightHawkTheSane | :( |
| 18:26.09 | Iriel | http://www.iriel.org/wow/docs/SecureHeadersGuide%20-%20pre1.pdf |
| 18:26.20 | Iriel | It's in post 0 of the 3.0 changes thread |
| 18:26.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, is it? thanks. :) |
| 18:27.28 | molgar | anyone know a good way to find out where the bug is in the code ? |
| 18:27.59 | Iriel | You could open the blizzard code and see what line 2274 IS |
| 18:28.06 | Iriel | then figure out what may be calling it |
| 18:28.16 | Amarande | hmm, how long after lich king do you think the new servers will be open for transfers? |
| 18:28.43 | molgar | hmm, okey, thx dude |
| 18:30.59 | Amarande | oh, frack you blizzard |
| 18:31.05 | Amarande | I was gonna go play my alliance toon |
| 18:31.07 | Amarande | guess which server is down |
| 18:31.12 | Amarande | the ONE server that my alliance toon is on :| |
| 18:39.59 | zenzelezz | ... I know it's old by now, but there's something still fun about shouting "In your face!" during Reliquary of Souls |
| 18:42.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (n=Yssaril@adsl-99-145-19-62.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:45.31 | Lothaer | Amarande: i know the feeling |
| 18:46.24 | Industrial | Is there a list of when hunter pets get their talents? every X levels? I couldnbt find it on petopia |
| 18:46.34 | Industrial | erm, hunter pets. |
| 18:46.43 | Amarande | you said hunter pets |
| 18:46.51 | *** join/#wowuidev undefined (i=5065af6a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e90aaaac409a3ee7) |
| 18:47.07 | Amarande | you haven't been drinking my midori, have you? :| |
| 18:47.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Matrix110 (i=Matrix11@pD957F883.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:47.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 18:47.40 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 18:50.02 | Industrial | Amarande: er :S\ |
| 18:56.13 | *** join/#wowuidev elite3vil (i=elite3vi@unaffiliated/elite3vil) |
| 18:58.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 18:58.28 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 18:59.43 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11296525128&sid=1 - does this seem a bit silly/overkill to anyone else? |
| 19:00.52 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean how he wants exact-to-the-fuck-all-decimal-place threat values? yes, it is. |
| 19:01.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, just making sure |
| 19:03.05 | NightHawkTheSane | it also looks like he's asking for information that blizzard is basically saying they're not going to give. |
| 19:04.56 | RockSlice | ckknight: been playing around with LibJostle to track down the issue with the Bottom panel not adjusting after zoning, and found that adding "or frame == MainMenuBar" to LibJostle-3.0.lua line 384 fixes the problem |
| 19:05.13 | ckknight | okay |
| 19:05.23 | ckknight | if you're confident in it, feel free to commit |
| 19:06.09 | RockSlice | do I need to do anything to get commit access? |
| 19:06.24 | ckknight | have an account on wowace (and/or curse) |
| 19:06.32 | ckknight | go to www.wowace.com/home/repository-authorization/edit/ |
| 19:06.36 | ckknight | put in an svn password |
| 19:06.43 | ckknight | and have my permission |
| 19:07.43 | Ktron|zzz | That's right, elkano's factionsfu >> fubar - reputation |
| 19:08.39 | kd3 | ack |
| 19:08.41 | kd3 | wru medivh? |
| 19:09.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> a = 1.1; print(type(a)) |
| 19:09.15 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: number |
| 19:09.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> a = 1.1; print(type(a)); print(a) |
| 19:09.20 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: number, 1.1 |
| 19:09.24 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm k |
| 19:10.32 | *** join/#wowuidev ThePooBurner (n=chatzill@c-76-126-58-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 19:11.21 | elite3vil | kd3: it hates you, so it's hiding. |
| 19:11.35 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: solution: roll on Doomhammer |
| 19:11.44 | kd3 | It's a sad, sad day when mannorofl is still up but medivh's taken a dive |
| 19:11.50 | elite3vil | lol. |
| 19:12.04 | alcaras | Anyone know of a working-in-3.0.2 reagent cost/sale price mod for crafting a la lil' Sparky's workshop or ReagentCost? |
| 19:12.30 | elite3vil | I blame myself, I zoned into SMGY and it crashed. |
| 19:15.23 | cncfanatics | hmmm, tourguide doesn't contain wotlk guides yet ? |
| 19:15.36 | ThePooBurner | is this where i can come to get troubleshooting help for the addon i am writing? |
| 19:16.05 | ckknight | yep, ThePooBurner |
| 19:18.07 | ThePooBurner | Ok, so i did a complete rewrite of a mod that pieced together long ago for timestamping the chat frames and such as i didn't want all the stuff that most timestamp mods bundle in. I had ti working with the WOTLK beta, but then afte i got it working i went through and i started making changes to make things more efficient according to the best practices guilds on the wiki |
| 19:18.42 | ThePooBurner | i thought all was going well as i was using !swatter to debug |
| 19:19.18 | ThePooBurner | but after i fixed the last syntax error on a string the game now freezes when i try to load the UI |
| 19:20.09 | kd3 | take a look at WoW/Logs/FrameXML.log and see if anything's listed in there |
| 19:20.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaelten (n=Kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten) |
| 19:20.43 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 19:21.20 | ThePooBurner | i didn't know that was there. thanks. |
| 19:21.45 | ThePooBurner | " Frame solHyperlinkerEditBox: Unknown script element OnClick Frame solHyperlinkerEditBox: Unknown script element OnDoubleClick" |
| 19:22.03 | Amarande | kd3: rolling restarts |
| 19:22.10 | *** join/#wowuidev [Liq] (n=denras19@fw-tk-1.ruc.dk) |
| 19:22.10 | Amarande | I'm still thinking of going to a new server |
| 19:22.22 | Amarande | Quel'dorei is dead |
| 19:22.27 | ThePooBurner | did those event handlers get taken out? |
| 19:22.27 | mikma | i wonder what was hotfixed |
| 19:22.29 | ThePooBurner | or changed? |
| 19:23.57 | Amarande | there are, apparently, 3 good horde raiding guilds on QD. |
| 19:24.05 | Amarande | 'good' in terms of progression |
| 19:24.24 | Amarande | one doesn't raid anymore, one accepts trade chat trolls, and well ... I probably don't have the gear for the other one LOL |
| 19:24.27 | ThePooBurner | <OnClick> |
| 19:24.29 | ThePooBurner | if not IsControlKeyDown() then |
| 19:24.31 | ThePooBurner | self:SetFocus() |
| 19:24.32 | ThePooBurner | end |
| 19:24.34 | ThePooBurner | </OnClick> |
| 19:24.36 | ThePooBurner | <OnDoubleClick> |
| 19:24.38 | ThePooBurner | solHyperlinkerEditBox:HighlightText() |
| 19:24.40 | kd3 | whoa, whoa whoa |
| 19:24.40 | ThePooBurner | </OnDoubleClick> |
| 19:24.41 | kd3 | stop |
| 19:24.42 | ThePooBurner | is the specific code in question from the XML file |
| 19:24.54 | Shirik | Never do that again |
| 19:24.57 | kd3 | please don't paste more than three lines in here. use http://wowuidev.pastey.net |
| 19:25.03 | elite3vil | [21:39] <+Cide> rule 1 never paste more than 3 lines |
| 19:25.14 | Shirik | ~rule1 |
| 19:25.25 | Shirik | purl, rule1 is never paste more than three lines |
| 19:25.25 | purl | okay, Shirik |
| 19:25.26 | ThePooBurner | sorry, i didn't know |
| 19:25.49 | Shirik | purl, rule2 is never paste more than three lines |
| 19:25.49 | purl | okay, Shirik |
| 19:25.54 | elite3vil | lol. |
| 19:25.58 | Shirik | purl, no rule1 is do not talk about #wowuidev |
| 19:25.58 | purl | okay, Shirik |
| 19:26.05 | elite3vil | haha. |
| 19:26.14 | elite3vil | ~rule1 |
| 19:26.15 | purl | it has been said that rule1 is do not talk about #wowuidev |
| 19:26.48 | Shirik | wait, it was rule 3, no? |
| 19:27.01 | Shirik | purl, rule2 is DO NOT TALK ABOUT #WOWUIDEV |
| 19:27.02 | purl | ...but rule2 is already something else... |
| 19:27.07 | Shirik | purl, no, rule2 is DO NOT TALK ABOUT #WOWUIDEV |
| 19:27.08 | purl | okay, Shirik |
| 19:27.20 | Shirik | purl, rule3 is if it's your first time here, never paste more than three lines |
| 19:27.20 | purl | Shirik: okay |
| 19:27.23 | Shirik | all done |
| 19:27.39 | kd3 | rofl |
| 19:27.54 | ckknight | lol |
| 19:28.01 | elite3vil | At least we have entertainment while Medivh is down, eh kd3? |
| 19:28.26 | ThePooBurner | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98877 |
| 19:28.34 | ThePooBurner | there you go |
| 19:28.49 | kd3 | ya. though I always tend to entertain myself by keeping tabs on the CS forum |
| 19:28.51 | mikma | Shirik: extremely nice :D |
| 19:29.00 | Shirik | ThePooBurner: Are you trying to actually set focus? |
| 19:29.06 | Shirik | What does self:SetFocus() do? |
| 19:29.10 | Amarande | yay, just checked the only good raid guild on QD Horde and apparently I don't meet the availability requirements *surprise surprise* |
| 19:29.24 | elite3vil | Yeah, I could go start another "Morbad is bad" post on the realm forums, I guess. |
| 19:29.27 | ThePooBurner | it's in a text edit box that URLs are pasted into |
| 19:29.36 | kd3 | lmao |
| 19:29.37 | ThePooBurner | so it's setting the focus of the cursor to the text line |
| 19:29.39 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:29.41 | Shirik | different focus |
| 19:29.50 | elite3vil | although, we haven't killed Twins yet this week. |
| 19:29.52 | elite3vil | go us. |
| 19:30.18 | Amarande | heh, come to think of it |
| 19:30.33 | Amarande | is there a such thing as a raid guild that actually achieves anything of note -and- doesn't expect people to make the decision that WoW > RL? |
| 19:30.45 | Amarande | on Horde side, anyway |
| 19:30.50 | Amarande | I know of ones on Alliance side ... :| |
| 19:30.57 | elite3vil | Server owned us Tues - Weds, Loot drama stopped us after Felmyst pants dropped on Thursday. and we dont' raid fri/sat |
| 19:31.32 | Amarande | elite3vil: just wait till Nadina's drops in a BT run |
| 19:31.42 | kd3 | loot drama? for loot that is useless in a month? |
| 19:31.49 | Amarande | hope you don't have too many casters that time ... :) |
| 19:32.19 | elite3vil | kd3: Yeah, that's what I said.. I was ready to start pulling Twins trash but the officers wouldn't let me. |
| 19:32.25 | Amarande | kd3: a few pieces might still be good up to 80 |
| 19:32.28 | ThePooBurner | it's a slight modification to the URL linking code from prat 2.0( if i recall correctly.) because i didn't like that it set my focus to the frame automatically because i got in to many fights right when i had just clicked a link and thus was typing all my keybinds into an editbox instead fo fighting back |
| 19:32.28 | Amarande | nadina's quite likely |
| 19:32.38 | Amarande | since neck pieces seem to get upgraded really slowly |
| 19:32.51 | ThePooBurner | so i added things to it to make it not set focus till i clicked on the thing |
| 19:33.05 | Amarande | hell ... for instance right now, once you have the caster neck piece from kara, you don't upgrade till BT and nadina's |
| 19:33.17 | elite3vil | Amarande: That thing was on rot for quite a while, so it'd just be our casters rolling on it, but most of them have the neck from twins anyways. |
| 19:33.17 | kd3 | meh... I upgraded my neck in one of the first borean tundra chains |
| 19:33.24 | kd3 | though all I have is the kara neck |
| 19:33.27 | Amarande | hmm |
| 19:33.31 | Amarande | what's the one from twins? |
| 19:33.35 | Amarande | I'm not very familiar with sunwell loot |
| 19:33.43 | elite3vil | +hit +haste +spell dmg, iirc. |
| 19:33.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i've not usually had difficulty upgrading my neck. my cloak, however.. |
| 19:33.54 | Amarande | ah the one with hit haste and dmg but no stats |
| 19:34.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm still using Lifegiving cloak (boe world drop) on live, and in beta i only ever got a couple greens to replace it >< |
| 19:34.21 | ThePooBurner | i never had his problem before i changed my main blocks of code to be more efficient. At least not that i know of when the addon was working. |
| 19:34.32 | Amarande | elite3vil: that's because 2.x Nadina's kinda sucked |
| 19:34.38 | Amarande | 3.x is super win drool and awesome |
| 19:35.02 | Amarande | that item probably is THE single most benefiting item from the spell power change in the entire game right now |
| 19:35.16 | ThePooBurner | hmm. i backed up the working code. let me load it up as a separate addon and see if this error is still there on load with it. |
| 19:35.20 | elite3vil | Did they change it, or is it just because of the spell power conversion so it's good for dps now? |
| 19:35.27 | Amarande | elite3vil: the spell power conversion |
| 19:35.32 | NightHawkTheSane | it's purely because of an itemization quirk |
| 19:35.40 | elite3vil | ah |
| 19:35.41 | elite3vil | *shrug* |
| 19:35.42 | NightHawkTheSane | it was a holy pally healing neck, so it had int/sta/crit |
| 19:35.58 | elite3vil | Yeah, I've had one for a while. |
| 19:35.58 | NightHawkTheSane | when you convert it over to spell power, it becomes a pretty decent dps caster neck |
| 19:36.07 | elite3vil | for, Kalecgos, Brut and Twins |
| 19:36.12 | elite3vil | (the only times I go holy) |
| 19:36.24 | cncfanatics | Tekkub: ain't there wotlk data yet in tourguide ? just installed it & can't find it |
| 19:36.27 | Amarande | btw, am I understanding correctly that raids that suck can kill brut now? |
| 19:36.28 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, preetty strictly an itemization oddity |
| 19:36.35 | Tekkub | no |
| 19:36.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (n=Yssaril@adsl-99-145-19-62.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:36.50 | Amarande | yeah, it just occurred to me that raids that suck will wipe on kalecgos, thus never seeing brut |
| 19:36.50 | Amarande | heh |
| 19:37.10 | cncfanatics | Tekkub: any ETA on when they'll be ready ? |
| 19:37.23 | Tekkub | months after release |
| 19:37.46 | cncfanatics | ah, ofc, releasing them early would make everyone do quests in the same order, which is bad |
| 19:38.13 | mikma | i think they need to be created first |
| 19:38.14 | elite3vil | Amarande: We had the dragon on kalec down to 55% before the first port |
| 19:38.29 | NightHawkTheSane | does anyone know if the 'Rotten Eggs' quest will flag you on a pve server? |
| 19:39.13 | Amarande | actually there's currently some sort of glitch with that quest |
| 19:39.19 | kd3 | night; probably. alliance on my server have been doing a pretty good job of scaring the horde off from completing that quest because there's like 80 alliance in SS |
| 19:39.34 | Amarande | I've heard reports of people being able to send pets into southshore and kill guards without flagging |
| 19:39.42 | elite3vil | oh no, alliance in SS. |
| 19:39.49 | Amarande | that might have been what the hotfix was about |
| 19:40.01 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: yeah, i just swung by SS. there's a glut of alliance sitting in the center of town. I'm debating trying to do these quests now, or wait until some other time when the kiddies are in bed, or at school |
| 19:40.17 | kd3 | that's what all the talk was in alliance-side /1 about hordies not wanting to do the quest |
| 19:40.28 | elite3vil | kd3: Unless they're all warlocks/mages, I'll just run in there and do it |
| 19:40.37 | mikma | NightHawkTheSane: wasn't that the stink bomb cleaning? |
| 19:40.44 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: huh? |
| 19:40.55 | mikma | 'Rotten Eggs' |
| 19:40.55 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: yeah, it kinda sucks being camped by a dozen or so alliance. |
| 19:41.02 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: no, that's the horde quest to fuck up the inn :P |
| 19:41.10 | mikma | oh |
| 19:41.24 | mikma | alliance has stinkbomb cleaning and that will put pvp on |
| 19:41.39 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, and i presume the horde equivalent "stinking up southshore" will flag me |
| 19:41.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i imagine rotten eggs will too.. i dont really feel like being raped by alliance. |
| 19:43.24 | NightHawkTheSane | and yeah, even walking far enough into the town flags me. that'll wait until 3 am. |
| 19:43.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Redguard (n=Redguard@108.177.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 19:43.53 | Amarande | Night: do you have some sort of skill or item that does retributory damage? |
| 19:43.58 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 19:44.03 | kd3 | the quest itself is flagged pvp |
| 19:44.22 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i have the quest, but wasn't flagged. as soon as i got far enough in town i got flagged |
| 19:44.25 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure that on a PvE server, if you make no attempt to defend yourself, you should not flag when attacked by pvp flagged mobs |
| 19:44.32 | Amarande | unless you actually enter SW or something |
| 19:44.39 | Amarande | weird |
| 19:44.49 | Amarande | you don't have something like nagelring equipped? |
| 19:44.54 | NightHawkTheSane | no. :P |
| 19:45.06 | NightHawkTheSane | im a shaman, on my mount, with no shield up. |
| 19:45.10 | NightHawkTheSane | (ie, no lightning shield) |
| 19:45.40 | Tem | awww |
| 19:45.50 | NightHawkTheSane | I think it's a specific mechanic on those quests, so horde can't just unflaged-walk into town to do the quests |
| 19:46.02 | Tem | the cosmos crybaby threatening to quit wow without a compilation to do it all for him went out of my scrollback while I was afk |
| 19:46.24 | Amarande | heh, the only compilation I've ever used is Mirage UI |
| 19:46.26 | Shirik | who was this? |
| 19:46.30 | Shirik | oh god |
| 19:46.35 | Shirik | I used Mirage way way way back in the day |
| 19:46.53 | Shirik | then I asked the person who showed it to me "So how do people make these things" and I was told "It's too hard you could never do it" |
| 19:46.56 | Amarande | say, is there anything in cosmos that you *can't* get from individual a la carte addon downloads? |
| 19:47.02 | Amarande | anything that actually matters, that is |
| 19:47.06 | Shirik | And then I ended up here |
| 19:47.08 | Shirik | strange world |
| 19:47.26 | Cide | <bittykitty> well im sorry but i like cosmos and till it comesback i wont be playing wow |
| 19:47.29 | Cide | @ Shirik, Tem |
| 19:47.37 | Amarande | my problem is making any kind of really good ui on a non-widescreen monitor is difficult at best |
| 19:47.48 | Shirik | hrm, not in log |
| 19:47.58 | Amarande | I did pretty well with my addon setup in 2.4 but I still felt starved for room |
| 19:48.23 | Amarande | is sct updated yet, by the way? |
| 19:48.38 | Tem | sct is dead imo |
| 19:48.38 | kd3 | yes |
| 19:48.43 | Tem | MSBT > * |
| 19:48.44 | Shirik | ROFL Mikk |
| 19:48.46 | Shirik | mikma* |
| 19:48.50 | Shirik | I love the first two lines |
| 19:48.59 | Mikk | mikma change your name already |
| 19:49.01 | Mikk | ! |
| 19:49.04 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@li23-154 ~/spambot $ cat ./nohup.out | grep bittykitty |
| 19:49.05 | Shirik | :bittykitty!i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#wowuidev |
| 19:49.05 | Shirik | :mikma!i=mikma@reaktio.net PRIVMSG #WoWUIDev :+bittykitty: COSMOS DISCONTINUED, READ TOPIC |
| 19:49.07 | Shirik | That's awesome |
| 19:49.12 | kd3 | Amarande, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info3965.html |
| 19:49.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i like this.."[09:19:36] <bittykitty> what is this hitting me for i really dont know thisstuff i panicked called wow and they told me uninstall andreinstall so that is what im going to do" |
| 19:49.52 | Tem | lawl |
| 19:49.55 | Tem | boo |
| 19:50.00 | Tem | vent bugged my wow |
| 19:50.15 | Amarande | MSBT? |
| 19:50.48 | Cide | mikk's scrolling battle text |
| 19:50.54 | Shirik | well that was a fun read |
| 19:51.03 | Tem | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5153-MikScrollingBattleText.html |
| 19:51.14 | Tem | Cide, actually, it's a different Mikk |
| 19:51.22 | Cide | well |
| 19:51.23 | Cide | whatever |
| 19:51.23 | Tem | confused the hell out of me for a bit |
| 19:51.24 | Cide | mik |
| 19:51.50 | Cide | one mikk to rule them all. |
| 19:51.50 | Shirik | :bittykitty!i=CosmosRo@c-76-102-57-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #WoWUIDev :-well i tried that and i dont get it i need a one stop shop and play addon for wow like cosmos is ther any |
| 19:51.50 | Tem | anyway |
| 19:51.56 | Shirik | this is an epic line |
| 19:51.57 | Tem | need to restart to fix this |
| 19:52.06 | Tem | damn, you shirik |
| 19:52.12 | Tem | paste it already |
| 19:52.16 | Shirik | uh |
| 19:52.21 | Shirik | I'll paste the logs |
| 19:52.23 | Mikk | MikScrollingBattleText = Mikord |
| 19:52.26 | Shirik | It's.... not entirely readable |
| 19:52.27 | Shirik | so good luck |
| 19:52.31 | Mikk | He's even properly renamed on curse now \o/ |
| 19:52.33 | Amarande | also, what's the best way to break into raiding, given that actually getting to play with players from good raid guilds so they can see how you do, seems to be difficult to do on most servers? |
| 19:52.44 | Cide | Tem: not this one? <bittykitty> well im sorry but i like cosmos and till it comesback i wont be playing wow |
| 19:52.45 | Amarande | or is trying to break into major raiding in the last month of an expansion's lifespan = fail |
| 19:52.52 | Mikk | Cide: LMAO |
| 19:52.55 | Tem | LOL |
| 19:52.55 | Industrial | does anyone know when exactly pets will get talent points? |
| 19:53.06 | Tem | they already have them? |
| 19:53.24 | Industrial | my level 12 pet has 0 +( |
| 19:53.29 | Tem | oh |
| 19:53.33 | Industrial | ;) |
| 19:53.37 | Tem | at a some level |
| 19:53.40 | Tem | yeah I have no idea |
| 19:53.45 | Tem | never played a huntard |
| 19:53.47 | Tem | never will |
| 19:53.48 | Cide | when you get pet training? |
| 19:53.56 | Industrial | fail! |
| 19:53.57 | Amarande | hmm, the last I was able to see the faq on petopia |
| 19:53.59 | Mikk | " ty for the wakeup call no wonder people are leaving wow for spore" |
| 19:54.11 | Tem | Mikk?? |
| 19:54.11 | Industrial | pet training no longer exists Cide. hunter pets have talent trees now |
| 19:54.14 | Amarande | it was one talent point at 20 and one more every four levels after that |
| 19:54.14 | Cide | spore - the wow killer |
| 19:54.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk: lol, what? |
| 19:54.25 | Amarande | wtf is spore |
| 19:54.36 | mikk2 | are you asking what is spore? |
| 19:54.41 | Tem | a game that was killed by it's own DRM |
| 19:54.43 | Cide | what is love? |
| 19:54.47 | Tem | baby don't hurt me |
| 19:54.50 | Industrial | y so srs? |
| 19:54.56 | mikk2 | no more |
| 19:55.01 | Tem | no more |
| 19:55.09 | Tem | okay |
| 19:55.18 | Mikk | That was a bittykitty quote there btw :P |
| 19:55.26 | Amarande | mikk: since I got into WoW I've hardly bought much of anything in the way of other games |
| 19:55.46 | mikk2 | Shirik: i didn't know it was that funny (the two lines) |
| 19:55.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Mike-N-Go (n=MikeNGoS@michaelg20.goshen.edu) |
| 19:56.04 | Mikk | Actually, I bought Spore. It was fun for a week. Which meets my criteria for an ok game (more entertainment per $ than a rented movie). |
| 19:56.04 | |pez| | Spore sort of failed on the copyprotection part.... |
| 19:56.15 | Mikk | I didn't have a problem with the copy protection |
| 19:56.19 | Mikk | Maybe because i .. umm.. |
| 19:56.24 | Mikk | PAID FOR IT? |
| 19:56.32 | mikk2 | haha |
| 19:56.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk: actually, the drm is the most obnoxious if you pay for it. ;) |
| 19:56.44 | NightHawkTheSane | most pirated copies don't have any drm |
| 19:56.57 | Mikk | It still worked 100% fine for me |
| 19:57.00 | |pez| | the DRM won't let you install it more than 3 times or something. |
| 19:57.23 | Amarande | oh good grief |
| 19:57.25 | Amarande | if they wanted drm |
| 19:57.26 | NightHawkTheSane | well, specifically, you get 3 installs, installation to the exact same computer won't use up an install |
| 19:57.32 | Amarande | why didn't they just sell it through steam or something like that |
| 19:57.43 | Mikk | Because EA has its own stuff for that |
| 19:57.47 | Mikk | Steam |
| 19:57.50 | Amarande | ah yes, electronic farts |
| 19:57.54 | Mikk | is not ea |
| 19:57.54 | |pez| | NightHawkTheSane: will the install recognize the same machine, if it's reformattet? |
| 19:58.01 | Amarande | EA = fail |
| 19:58.04 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: im not sure, maybe not. |
| 19:58.10 | |pez| | what if I wanted to get a new computer too! |
| 19:58.15 | kd3 | you've gotta uninstall before you reinstall |
| 19:58.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i imagine if you reformat, it might appear as a different machine |
| 19:58.18 | |pez| | the Spore DRM fails, in any case. |
| 19:58.28 | kd3 | but that's why I'm refusing to buy spore or dead spaces |
| 19:58.35 | NightHawkTheSane | EA also bumped up the installs to like 5 or something, but it's an absurd drm system to begin with |
| 19:58.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Frankly, I pirated spore, played it for a weekish, and got bored. |
| 19:59.09 | Amarande | also note |
| 19:59.12 | Amarande | the more people try to drm stuff |
| 19:59.15 | Amarande | the more it gets pirated. :) |
| 19:59.32 | Amarande | although, this could be a deep plot type of scheme |
| 19:59.39 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, same |
| 19:59.44 | Amarande | make the DRM on stuff irritating enough, so all the people who are at all against DRM will pirate it |
| 19:59.51 | Amarande | then you can throw all the anti-DRM zealots into jail for pirating |
| 20:00.04 | |pez| | kd3: so if you uninstall, it won't decrease the number of installs? |
| 20:00.09 | Amarande | and all that will be left, will be the yokels who will blithely accept any restriction handed to them as 'well, that's the rules after all' |
| 20:00.28 | kd3 | if you uninstall, you deauthorize that machine, giving you another isntall to play with |
| 20:00.33 | kd3 | or... that's how it's supposed to work |
| 20:00.53 | |pez| | "supposed", being the operative word there. |
| 20:00.58 | Amarande | it's ea |
| 20:01.03 | Amarande | when does it ever work like it shouold |
| 20:01.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Tem (n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem) |
| 20:01.12 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tem] by ChanServ |
| 20:01.17 | NightHawkTheSane | I think the real irony is that spore had a good opportunity to provide real solid online content that would have encouraged people to buy the game. |
| 20:01.28 | Shirik | ok Tem |
| 20:01.36 | Shirik | I gave up, this is too long. You can figure it out yourself: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98881 |
| 20:01.37 | Codex| | any fire mages on |
| 20:01.39 | Shirik | That's the raw logs |
| 20:01.49 | Amarande | Night: It's EA. With the possible exception of Ultima Online and sports games, EA has never provided ANYTHING good to the gaming world. |
| 20:01.54 | Amarande | well, and Pogo |
| 20:02.01 | mikma | Shirik: what were you looking for |
| 20:02.07 | Shirik | Tem wanted the conversation |
| 20:02.09 | Amarande | but I don't have time to bother with Pogo since I got WoW |
| 20:02.13 | Shirik | it's buried in there |
| 20:02.54 | Amarande | And yes, as a 10+ years Ultima Dragon, I have EVERY reason to utterly hate, despise and be completely biased and prejudiced against EA. |
| 20:02.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: meh, even EA's not strictly to blame. Maxis kinda botched the online compnent, imo. |
| 20:03.05 | NightHawkTheSane | (wrt spore, that is) |
| 20:03.19 | Amarande | EA is the reason Ultima IX became such a crappy sendoff to perhaps the best PC RPG series ever made |
| 20:03.26 | NightHawkTheSane | the game really OUGHT to have been far more compelling and far-reaching than it was |
| 20:03.42 | Amarande | Night: yeah, that sounds like a lot of games EA has had control over |
| 20:03.54 | Amarande | I wouldn't be surprised if they had forced Maxis to release it too soon to meet a business goal |
| 20:04.00 | Amarande | That's what they did to Ultima IX |
| 20:04.05 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* |
| 20:04.26 | Amarande | the game was finally shaping up to possibly become something good, and then they forced Origin to release it half-finished or not at all, because they wanted to shove it out for Christmastime |
| 20:04.38 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe. I don't know how much influence EA had over maxis in that regard. But having played the game, I'd be hard pressed to believe EA is the sole reason for it's lackluster nature |
| 20:04.49 | Amarande | as a result, UIX had like half of what it should have had, all kinds of not-quite-fully-implemented stuff, more bugs than a silithid hive ... |
| 20:04.53 | Mikk | Amarande: It was pushed out too soon yes. It was supposed to have twoish more stages early on at the very least. |
| 20:05.03 | Amarande | Mikk: Yeah, sounds like EA |
| 20:05.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk: thing is, adding more stages wouldn't have made the game better :P |
| 20:05.25 | Amarande | the sad thing is that EA used to actually be kinda good, back in like the 80s |
| 20:05.29 | Amarande | with the original Bard's Tale series and such |
| 20:05.41 | Amarande | but whenever EA buys the rights to something, they kill it |
| 20:05.46 | Mikk | NightHawkTheSane: No, that alone wouldn't be enough. I'm just pointing out a very obvious yank. |
| 20:05.52 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 20:05.54 | Amarande | Even Madden's not as good as the NFL 2K series was |
| 20:06.10 | Redguard | is there any alternative in ChatFrame#:AddMessage() to obtain arg# without using the old global variables which aren't supposed to be used anymore |
| 20:06.11 | Mikk | Right... FreeRefills is getting some loving now... |
| 20:06.17 | Amarande | and Madden is probably EA's best product |
| 20:06.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk: something wrong with it? its been working pretty well for me |
| 20:06.41 | Redguard | the arg# are passed as vararg to ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler() which calls :AddMessage() |
| 20:06.50 | Redguard | but it doesn't pass the varargs along |
| 20:07.33 | Mikk | NightHawkTheSane: Nah, mostly just 30000-toccing it tbh. Maybe yank ace2 and go ace3. I'll see. |
| 20:07.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh |
| 20:07.59 | Shirik | There is an interesting discussion going on in another channel which leads me to pose a question |
| 20:08.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: 42 |
| 20:08.10 | Shirik | This is purely hypothetical so don't get your hopes up (or down) |
| 20:08.26 | Shirik | Many of us are in various raiding-type guilds and we all have our bad players and our good players |
| 20:08.34 | mikma | how did you know i call my weewee as "hope" ;) |
| 20:08.47 | Shirik | If a guild were made for raiding solely of people in this channel, do you think it would fall victim to the same problems? |
| 20:09.00 | Mikk | 191 people in the channel? fuck yeah :p |
| 20:09.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: yes. |
| 20:09.11 | Shirik | more like the active people :P |
| 20:09.14 | Shirik | so not 191 |
| 20:09.16 | nevcairiel | Shirik: definately |
| 20:09.29 | nevcairiel | why would coders generally be good or bad players ? =P |
| 20:09.30 | Amarande | Shirik: of the guilds I've been in, only one has been successful in a raiding sense |
| 20:09.51 | kd3 | not everyone in here raids |
| 20:09.51 | Amarande | nev: well, coders are likely to eat, sleep, drink and breathe the game mechanics |
| 20:09.51 | Shirik | well Amarande, that's not entirely a meaningful comment :) |
| 20:09.51 | Amarande | which means on the strategy side of raiding |
| 20:09.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: what kd3 said. |
| 20:09.57 | Amarande | coders might be better :) |
| 20:10.05 | Redguard | kd3 but one would imagine coders might raid better |
| 20:10.07 | Shirik | kd3 That's why I said "many" |
| 20:10.14 | Redguard | having a more depth understanding of the surroundings |
| 20:10.24 | Shirik | Amarande: Much like something you've lost always turns up in the last place you look |
| 20:10.30 | Shirik | solely because you stop looking after you've found it |
| 20:10.36 | Amarande | Shirik: I'm just getting the impression that most raid guilds fail |
| 20:10.42 | Redguard | Shirik I would argue yes, you'd face the same problems |
| 20:10.58 | Amarande | and the one guild I'm in that does any kind of raiding and has been successful at it, is alliance, and my alliance toon is still level 40 |
| 20:10.59 | Mikk | Having IQ > 100 and realizing that raiding in WoW is 90% understanding that Tanking,DPS, and healing, is just one big pocket calculator |
| 20:11.00 | Redguard | due to the fact I see many people in here who openly state how horrible they are at PVP (arena) |
| 20:11.03 | Mikk | What you FEEL like is irrelevant |
| 20:11.06 | Shirik | See I'm on the other side, I would (hopefully) think that the majority of the people in this guild understand mechanics |
| 20:11.06 | Mikk | Do the math,win |
| 20:11.08 | Redguard | yet they are quite capable programmers |
| 20:11.21 | Amarande | it does nothing to help my 70 warlock on horde, who seems to have to keep moving on from everywhere |
| 20:11.30 | Shirik | er |
| 20:11.33 | Shirik | in this channel* |
| 20:11.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: I think the key thing is that players always become stratified into 'good' and 'bad' players. this doesn't even necessarily have to do with how much you like the person or not. *shrug* |
| 20:11.35 | Shirik | sorry |
| 20:11.37 | Amarande | because while as a person, I fit into the guilds I've been just fine |
| 20:11.41 | Amarande | as a character, she just doesn't fit in there |
| 20:11.46 | nevcairiel | Shirik: i highly doubt that |
| 20:11.52 | Shirik | really? |
| 20:12.04 | Shirik | Now you don't have to know everything |
| 20:12.08 | Shirik | I barely know rogue talent trees |
| 20:12.12 | Amarande | On Turalyon I had to jump ship and transfer, because the server is so progressed that I could hardly ever get a group EVEN FOR OUTLAND FIVE-MANS |
| 20:12.14 | Shirik | but if you know your job well and everyone else's general job |
| 20:12.18 | |pez| | Redguard: I totally suck at PvP, or atleast I did last time I tried. |
| 20:12.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: there's a big difference between understanding and implementing, though. |
| 20:12.46 | Amarande | On Quel'dorei, I'm finding I'll probably be leaving my guild and likely the server soon because we don't have the right class balance to do anything and I can hardly find a good guild that does -and- is ok with my availability |
| 20:12.50 | Shirik | Given the things some of the people in here are capable of implementing |
| 20:12.54 | Shirik | I'd hope they can push a few buttons :P |
| 20:13.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: you'd be surprised. :) I mean, i "understand" pvp, but god help me, I suck so badly at it it's not even funny. |
| 20:13.20 | Shirik | anyway, was just curious of the thoughts |
| 20:13.26 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_101908_231227.jpg |
| 20:13.26 | Redguard | |pez| yea that's what I mean, I play at 1900+ brackets in pvp to be competitive and I love to code, but if I were to ask could a group of fellow programmers be successful in pvp for the sake they program? I'd have to say no |
| 20:13.32 | mikma | just in case someone haven't seen those ingame :D |
| 20:13.36 | mikma | Cairenn: ^ |
| 20:13.40 | Amarande | I think I saw precisely seven instances on my warlock before I transferred off Turalyon. |
| 20:13.50 | Shirik | Cairenn: See mikma's link |
| 20:14.09 | Cairenn | cute |
| 20:14.10 | Mikk | Amarande: Like I said... finding a guild that's ok with only being able to raid tue/wed is ... hard. Most successful raiding guilds raid 4-5 days a week and except people to show up most days. |
| 20:14.12 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: man, thats old. :p |
| 20:14.18 | |pez| | mikma: babies! XD |
| 20:14.28 | mikma | NightHawkTheSane: "<mikma> just in case someone haven't seen those ingame :D" |
| 20:14.29 | Shirik | I never seen before, NightHawkTheSane!! |
| 20:14.36 | Amarande | By the way, are we going to get the same 'no one wants to five-man anymore' problem with WotLK once enough people are geared for Naxx? |
| 20:14.43 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: but it's been there since tbc launch. :p |
| 20:14.43 | Amarande | or did they implement the WotLK five-mans better |
| 20:14.56 | mikma | NightHawkTheSane: now that's impossible since they are in nagrand |
| 20:14.57 | Redguard | Amarande people run 5 mans with alts and new players, i don't believe your statement |
| 20:15.05 | Shirik | I don't believe that either |
| 20:15.06 | Shirik | BUT |
| 20:15.07 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_101908_231417.jpg |
| 20:15.08 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: huh? |
| 20:15.10 | mikma | more babies |
| 20:15.11 | Mikk | nonheroic 5mans will of course have shit gear compared to raids and heroics |
| 20:15.12 | Shirik | I have to go to Panera before it closes |
| 20:15.13 | Shirik | baibai |
| 20:15.18 | Mikk | you kinda need to be able to go to them when you have greens |
| 20:15.21 | Redguard | ciao |
| 20:15.22 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: i said "tbc launch" :P |
| 20:15.45 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, google is fast |
| 20:15.56 | ScytheBlade1 | It's already found and indexed my addon that I submitted maybe an hour ago :P |
| 20:16.03 | Amarande | Redguard: don't most alts run with their mains' guild? |
| 20:16.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: well, to an extent, people might be more willing to do any random l80 5 man or heroic, since they can gain rep with any faction by doing it |
| 20:16.08 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_101908_231542.jpg |
| 20:16.11 | mikma | tauren-swing :D |
| 20:16.11 | Redguard | I'm not sure why my server is offline, but this is disappointing |
| 20:16.12 | NightHawkTheSane | so that wil help |
| 20:16.20 | Redguard | Amarande not really |
| 20:16.25 | Amarande | as for new players ... I kinda want to make it through the instance in one piece :) |
| 20:16.46 | Redguard | i play on medivh which is one of the older and more progressed servers |
| 20:16.58 | Amarande | Red: how's that server guild-wise? |
| 20:16.59 | Redguard | I can always find groups, because I put in effort to make them happen |
| 20:17.02 | kd3 | hey, another medivhian |
| 20:17.03 | Amarande | Turalyon seemed to be utterly ossified |
| 20:17.36 | Amarande | Mikk: actually, the thing about that is |
| 20:17.36 | p3lim | Anyone here using pMinimap_Clock at all? |
| 20:17.37 | Redguard | Amarande it's all what you make of it, we were the first server to open the gates of AQ, there are a few solid groups of people I enjoy |
| 20:17.38 | klip | hi, ppl, is there any addon showing me all possible quest givers on the world map? I found only cartographer + quests + questsObjectives and I'm going to give it a try, but still I asked if you dont know any other solution. (I dont like cartographer, it conflicts with carbonite sometimes :) |
| 20:17.49 | p3lim | if so, anyone interrested in taking over the developement of it? |
| 20:17.56 | Amarande | there are usually, in any given week, 4 or 5 days at least that I could raid DURING THAT WEEK |
| 20:17.57 | mikma | http://junk.kegetys.net/suihku-irc.jpg <- win |
| 20:18.01 | p3lim | im not gonna keep updating it atleast |
| 20:18.06 | Redguard | I raided in the 2nd most progressed guild pre-bc on the server, and I might rejoin the top ranked guild in wotlk |
| 20:18.08 | Amarande | however, my schedule is not constant from week to week except on Tuesdays and Wednesdays |
| 20:18.22 | Redguard | I do not keep track of lower ranked guilds however, but there are a good bit of them |
| 20:18.24 | Amarande | which means aside from those two, I can't make a promise about any given week until the Friday before |
| 20:18.49 | Redguard | Amarande every guild I know has static required days of 4-6 |
| 20:18.54 | Amarande | lemme guess, it was a mistake to get into MMOs at all and I should have stuck with Final Fantasy |
| 20:19.12 | Amarande | either that, or become a PvP maven (in which case I should have just stuck with Guild Wars) |
| 20:19.20 | Redguard | You have to know someone to get in with a guild forgiving of your schedule to work out 3 days |
| 20:19.32 | Redguard | is it fair to them you run 3 days and someone else fills in standby for 2 days |
| 20:19.40 | Redguard | then you get priority on the other 3? |
| 20:19.54 | Redguard | think of it from their perspective |
| 20:20.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: nah, there ARE guilds out there that only raid 2-4 days a week, and are generally forgiving about not making every raid |
| 20:20.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: the trick is finding them. ;) |
| 20:20.20 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-al17wendybrown-081017-photo,0,5315577.photo <-- entirely unrelated |
| 20:20.27 | Redguard | NightHawkTheSane they for the most part are not as skilled or progressed |
| 20:20.29 | Amarande | so basically, I should be thinking of getting out of the PvE game altogether, and learning the ropes of Arena? |
| 20:20.40 | Amarande | Night: the guild I'm in used to be one of those |
| 20:20.48 | Redguard | Amarande you could raid, it'll just take more work to find that degree of flexibility |
| 20:20.49 | Amarande | then half our membership left because of a marriage :S |
| 20:20.59 | Redguard | lol |
| 20:21.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Redguard: that's not at all true. the only reason they may be lessed progressed is because of a shorter raid schedule. but less skilled is patently false |
| 20:21.25 | Amarande | yeah, I've only been to Kara maybe 2-3 times and yet I still handled my part with total skill |
| 20:21.28 | Redguard | NightHawkTheSane most of the higher skilled people in such guilds will leave it for a more strict raiding schedule |
| 20:21.34 | Redguard | with more face time for progression |
| 20:21.40 | Redguard | it happens all the time |
| 20:21.43 | Amarande | I think Netherspite was the only boss I ever really had any trouble with, and that's the way I game in general, intense dexterity challenges have always been a weakness of mine |
| 20:21.57 | NightHawkTheSane | you're making the false assumption that everyone with skill necessarily WANTS that, though |
| 20:22.08 | Amarande | what do players with skill but poor availability do, then? |
| 20:22.14 | Amarande | assuming they're not all that interested in arena |
| 20:22.16 | Redguard | a majority of them enough to knock a guild back down a few rungs |
| 20:22.25 | Redguard | and once they pick back up some more, someone else goes, and so forth |
| 20:22.31 | Amarande | yeah, that's what happened to Underdog |
| 20:22.35 | NightHawkTheSane | I know a lot of players who are plenty 'skilled' but simply don't WANT to raid at a hardcore level |
| 20:22.46 | Mikk | Oh. If you define Kara as raiding, you can forget everything I've said up til now. |
| 20:22.47 | Amarande | we've gone from being a really great guild (even if we were only t4) to being a collapsing stepping stone |
| 20:22.51 | Redguard | they either get skill capped, or bored and they move on for more |
| 20:22.54 | Amarande | and yet we are the oldest horde guild on QD |
| 20:23.12 | Mikk | I mean.. WotLK will be packed with 10man instances with varying resets. |
| 20:23.20 | Mikk | I thought you meant like... T5.. T6 raiding. |
| 20:23.23 | Redguard | Amarande exactly, that same trend has happend over and over to many places for the 3+ years I've played |
| 20:23.25 | Redguard | nothing new |
| 20:23.40 | Amarande | Mikk: I could probably handle those if I could actually raid often enough to get geared for them :) |
| 20:23.47 | Mikk | So in that respect, I'm thinking WotLK will be more casual friendly than tbc and certainly classic. |
| 20:24.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk: definitely, which is one of the great things about it |
| 20:24.27 | Amarande | I *almost* found a Tue/Wed raid group |
| 20:24.31 | Amarande | And then they changed over to Tue/Thu |
| 20:24.35 | Mikk | Totally, seeing as how we lost a bunch of people when we didnt progress fast enough towards KJ for them :S |
| 20:24.53 | Amarande | well |
| 20:24.57 | Amarande | it's one thing when the raid progresses slowly |
| 20:25.10 | Amarande | it's quite another when all you feel motivated to do is the cooking daily because you can never get a complete group for anything anymore |
| 20:25.45 | Redguard | Amarande I don't think that's a global issue |
| 20:25.58 | Redguard | you are approaching the problem incorrectly |
| 20:25.58 | Mikk | It isn't. |
| 20:26.00 | Amarande | Red: actually, the main reason for our guild's current state of malaise |
| 20:26.11 | Amarande | is that none of the active members can really find a group for much of anything now |
| 20:26.16 | *** join/#wowuidev morkii (i=morkii@server1.bshellz.net) |
| 20:26.23 | Mikk | Then the problem is that the guild is too small |
| 20:26.26 | Redguard | Amarande that is a failure of your isolated guild |
| 20:26.35 | Amarande | though at least HH was easy enough that we could do that |
| 20:26.49 | Amarande | unlike *cough* coren which actually seemed to need a highish end group |
| 20:26.53 | Redguard | Amarande the idea you keep throwing the word "Find" as if you do nothing and wait for one to pop in your lap in essence sets you up for failure |
| 20:26.58 | Redguard | try to use the word "create" |
| 20:26.58 | morkii | does anybody know an addon that adds quest levels or does what cart questinfo used to do? |
| 20:27.00 | Redguard | or "make" |
| 20:27.10 | Redguard | and you will notice it will succeed |
| 20:27.17 | Amarande | ah, so it's time to learn to be a GM? |
| 20:27.18 | kd3 | mork; ct_core? |
| 20:27.28 | Redguard | morkii questhelper..? |
| 20:27.41 | morkii | i have questhelper but it doesn't show me the quest levels |
| 20:27.43 | Redguard | Amarande I am not a gm |
| 20:27.50 | mikma | morkii: quelevel |
| 20:27.51 | *** join/#wowuidev aestil (n=holycall@cpe-76-95-133-5.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 20:27.52 | Amarande | I always thought that 70+ people in the guild was enough :S |
| 20:28.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Ycarene (n=Ycarene@24-116-56-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 20:28.14 | Redguard | Amarande you need to learn people skills basically and instead of waiting for a group to smack you in the face, learn to encourage the growth of a group |
| 20:28.19 | Redguard | ie. learn to be a leader not a follower |
| 20:28.20 | Amarande | though I'm not sure how many people are active |
| 20:28.21 | Mikk | morkii: Which levels do you want? The levels for quests you have, or levels in the zone? |
| 20:28.26 | mikma | morkii: or que'level or something like it, search 'tekkub' as author in wowinterface.com |
| 20:28.27 | Redguard | you will notice yourself surrounded with endless groups |
| 20:28.44 | morkii | the ones in my quest log |
| 20:28.53 | Mikk | There's oodles of questlog enhancers |
| 20:29.09 | Amarande | questguru is nice, too |
| 20:29.11 | NightHawkTheSane | being a leader is stressful, thankless, and often more trouble than it's worth, though |
| 20:29.18 | morkii | ok I'll get that one |
| 20:29.22 | Redguard | NightHawkTheSane that's a personal opinion |
| 20:29.29 | Redguard | I find being a leader easier |
| 20:29.34 | zenzelezz | so apparently Illidan skipped two phases, it went so fast... |
| 20:29.47 | Amarande | yeah, I need to find players who are not only good enough, but also mature enough that I don't want to shove the handle of Corpsemaker down their throat |
| 20:30.21 | Amarande | skill:maturity in WoW - is this ratio normally positive or inverse? |
| 20:30.45 | Mikk | As for Corin being hard... I dunno.. we went there with a bunch of dpser alts and my healer alt. No tank. That worked too :S |
| 20:31.10 | Mikk | Amarande: In my experience, they tend to follow eachother. |
| 20:31.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i don't often see a strict relation between the two, although in the extremely general sense they're probably somewhat directly proportionate |
| 20:31.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk: re: coren, that depends a lot on gear level. ungeared dpsers will get rocked pretty easily :p |
| 20:31.59 | Mikk | Especially when you get into the 25man side of things and actually need to work as a team. Maturity tends to mean being able to work with others -> your chances of succeeding go up by a ot. |
| 20:31.59 | Amarande | Perhaps my character is also an issue |
| 20:32.13 | Amarande | I mean, not my character as a person, I tend to carry it very well unless I get frustrated over something |
| 20:32.17 | Mikk | But yeah you can be an insanely skilled PvPer and a complete ass |
| 20:32.18 | Amarande | but my character choice in-game |
| 20:32.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: you mean chracter class? o_0 |
| 20:32.56 | Amarande | Night: Yeah |
| 20:33.02 | Mikk | I dunno.. I have a gnome warlock, dwarf rogue, dwarf priest, human pally and nightelf druid. |
| 20:33.03 | Amarande | I'm wondering if part of the trouble is my being a popular DPS class |
| 20:33.06 | Mikk | Never really saw a difference |
| 20:33.14 | Mikk | Except the NE druid being female and thus getting treated better |
| 20:33.16 | Mikk | It rocks :o) |
| 20:33.18 | Amarande | Especially since, by contrast, my prot paladin NEVER had any trouble getting groups |
| 20:33.29 | Amarande | even if I had to PuG something, occasionally it took a bit to get a healer, but otherwise I'd never had trouble |
| 20:33.32 | Mikk | Oh you mean class |
| 20:33.41 | Mikk | Yeah tanks & healers don't have problems finding groups |
| 20:33.43 | NightHawkTheSane | well, yeah. it's always been the case that dps is dime-a-dozen, while tanks and healers are a bit harder to come by |
| 20:33.55 | Mikk | And if you play one, you know that you've already done 50% of the hard work of putting a group together by default |
| 20:34.18 | NightHawkTheSane | tank & healer duoing = groups whenever you want them. ;) |
| 20:34.36 | alcaras | anyone know of RAF questing guide (Horde)? |
| 20:34.54 | Mikk | And if you do have good tankign skills... or play a prot pally ;) .. you can make almost any shit group become good. |
| 20:34.56 | Amarande | alcaras: you know, no matter how many times I see 'RAF' |
| 20:34.58 | Mikk | Can't really do that in another position |
| 20:35.12 | Amarande | I keep having to blink and note that it doesn't mean Royal Air Force here. :) |
| 20:35.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk: yeah, thats why i tend to like playing a tank. a good tank is easily 75% of a good group |
| 20:35.22 | Mikk | I've got 3 tanks :S |
| 20:35.33 | NightHawkTheSane | I have 2, currently. And a healer. ;) |
| 20:35.40 | Mikk | 4 if you count the warlock :o) |
| 20:35.45 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 20:36.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 20:36.05 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 20:36.06 | Amarande | on the other hand, my lock always suffers from the fact that pug tanks tend to suck |
| 20:36.09 | NightHawkTheSane | feh, if you can count your warlock, i can count my shaman. ;) i've tanked bt trash with her. :P |
| 20:36.19 | Amarande | either that, or they are over-geared raid tanks and thus keep getting rage starvation |
| 20:36.29 | Amarande | and given the kind of dps I put out on my lock, that's bad :) |
| 20:36.42 | Redguard | what dps do you put out |
| 20:36.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: overgeared raid tanks ought to be putting on dps gear (well, prior to 3.0, that may be different now) |
| 20:37.04 | Amarande | red, last time I cared to check was against coren |
| 20:37.07 | ThePooBurner | help request: I finally figured out what is wrong, or at least where the problem is. but i don't know how to fix it. The function i am hooking is causing a stack overflow. (disbled the addon and then loaded it on demand so i could have swatter running and actually what was wrong). this is the swatter read out: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98886 and this is the lines of code in question:... |
| 20:37.09 | ThePooBurner | ...http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98885 |
| 20:37.12 | Redguard | and? |
| 20:37.21 | Amarande | I had just hit about 600 DPS when I pulled aggro and naturally my DPS became zero pretty quickly after that |
| 20:37.42 | Redguard | not to offend you, once again |
| 20:37.53 | Redguard | but warlocks in 2.x patches were doing 2000-3000dps |
| 20:37.58 | Redguard | not 600 :/ |
| 20:38.03 | Redguard | you are doing something wrong |
| 20:38.03 | Amarande | however, at one point I was pulling aggro from a tank whose gear was good enough for BT, in Arc |
| 20:38.10 | Amarande | Red: yeah, it's called not having top end gear :S |
| 20:38.20 | Amarande | GEARED locks in 2.x patches were doing 2000-3000dps |
| 20:38.22 | Redguard | my level 67 mage was putting out 700dps before 3.x |
| 20:38.29 | mikma | oh good, i managed to bug my tracking back to doubletrack :D |
| 20:38.32 | Redguard | now at level 68, he sustains 900dps |
| 20:38.57 | Redguard | all of with the +450 SP he has |
| 20:39.01 | Amarande | also, there's a few specific issues, like SL |
| 20:39.10 | Redguard | that is player failure |
| 20:39.10 | Amarande | SL + affliction lock = dead affliction lock all too often on inciter |
| 20:39.15 | Redguard | not class issues |
| 20:39.26 | Redguard | you just seem to be a bad warlock :P |
| 20:39.42 | Amarande | weird, this is a lock that managed to go perfectly from start to chess event in kara with only 89 spell hit |
| 20:39.43 | mikma | hahahaha no i was wrong |
| 20:39.47 | mikma | i have triple-tracking |
| 20:39.51 | Amarande | only two wipes, neither of which were attributable to me |
| 20:40.06 | Redguard | Amarande there really is nothing complicated about kara |
| 20:40.07 | Amarande | first wipe = hunter lost LoS from healer against maiden and proceeded to DIAF |
| 20:40.21 | Amarande | second wipe = technical, on curator, had something to do with choice of tanks |
| 20:40.36 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: hmm? |
| 20:40.49 | Amarande | anyway, I guess I'd better get going to work |
| 20:41.05 | Redguard | Amarande hf |
| 20:41.23 | Redguard | I feel bad for the guy |
| 20:41.30 | Redguard | he sounds horrible at his warlock :/ |
| 20:41.48 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* i tend not to care how well other people play. thats usually none of my business. |
| 20:41.53 | Redguard | ye? |
| 20:42.08 | mikma | NightHawkTheSane: Track Humanoids, Track Herbs, Track Minerals. all on at the same time |
| 20:42.21 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: how? |
| 20:42.28 | mikma | i have absolutely *no* idea |
| 20:42.34 | NightHawkTheSane | hah. neat, though. |
| 20:42.38 | NightHawkTheSane | good for double-gathering. :P |
| 20:42.40 | mikma | my track herbs doesn't work at all, if i select it it turns into track none |
| 20:42.46 | Redguard | lol |
| 20:43.34 | Mikk | Euh.. 600 dps? |
| 20:43.47 | Mikk | My warlock did 400+ in MC :S |
| 20:44.03 | Shirik | I <3 Panera |
| 20:44.14 | NightHawkTheSane | interesting: http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/107092/tsa-agent-steals-200k-worth-of-gear-resells-it-on-ebay/ |
| 20:44.17 | mikma | ok i lied. it's really 2 tracks. herb seems to be on always and i can switch between minerals/humanoids |
| 20:44.19 | Mikk | Shirik: I think this answers your previous question tbfh. |
| 20:44.21 | mikma | good enough for me |
| 20:44.22 | |pez| | ... http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/september/8970/mount_blackprotodrake.jpg |
| 20:44.31 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:44.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Droolio (n=drool@87-194-188-170.bethere.co.uk) |
| 20:45.03 | Mikk | "would wowuidev people make a good guild" |
| 20:45.12 | Mikk | I'd say most definitely that the answer is no |
| 20:45.32 | Gnarfoz | too much drama |
| 20:45.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk: see, that's an entirely different question than what shirik asked, though |
| 20:46.05 | NightHawkTheSane | I think wowuidev people would make a fairly average guild, at worst. maybe even a good guild, *shrug*. But it certainly wouldn't be immune to the normal issues that normal guilds have :p |
| 20:46.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Keias (i=Saiek@c-69-245-192-208.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 20:46.15 | Mikk | True |
| 20:46.26 | mikma | don't think so |
| 20:46.35 | Mikk | Of course, it'd be the major pita with half the guild semi-afk in raids testing addons |
| 20:46.36 | mikma | wowuidev guild raids would be like "moment, fixing a bug" |
| 20:46.40 | Mikk | It matters less one just one guy does it ;) |
| 20:46.42 | mikma | "moment, need to fix this" |
| 20:46.56 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: yeah, but that'd be okay, cause we'd all be doing it, or all understand. ;) |
| 20:47.25 | mikma | lol so you would be ok to have coding-breaks every 10min while raiding? |
| 20:47.31 | mikma | is cool, i'm in ;) |
| 20:47.31 | Redguard | mikk: lol |
| 20:47.39 | ThePooBurner | would anyone be able to help me with this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98886 being caused by this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98885 ? |
| 20:47.47 | Redguard | "don't start the next phase I'm reloading my UI" |
| 20:48.47 | Redguard | ThePooBurner |
| 20:48.51 | Redguard | what are you trying to do |
| 20:48.56 | Redguard | just add a simple chat timestamp? |
| 20:49.03 | Mikk | ThePooBurner: The problem is where you grab hold of Original_ChatFrame_OnEvent |
| 20:49.17 | Mikk | It seems like you're getting it to point right back at JoChatTimestamp_ChatFrame_OnEvent |
| 20:49.29 | Mikk | Leading to an endless recursive loop with JoChatTimestamp_ChatFrame_OnEvent calling JoChatTimestamp_ChatFrame_OnEvent calling JoChatTimestamp_ChatFrame_OnEvent etcetcetc |
| 20:49.38 | ThePooBurner | Original_ChatFrame_OnEvent is grabbed in my settings initialization function that is called on the VARiABLES_LOADED event |
| 20:49.51 | ThePooBurner | oh |
| 20:49.53 | ThePooBurner | hmm |
| 20:50.10 | Redguard | here poo, this is my code for my timestamp 1 sec |
| 20:50.17 | Mikk | And when is ChatFrame_OnEvent replaced with your hook? |
| 20:50.18 | ThePooBurner | that is odd, because that bit of code is totally unchanged from teh working verrsion of the addon |
| 20:50.35 | Redguard | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98888 |
| 20:50.36 | mikma | ThePooBurner: some events got a "self" in them |
| 20:50.43 | Mikk | mikma: not related |
| 20:50.51 | mikma | so it's like function poop(self,event,...) now |
| 20:50.57 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Did you look at his page on ebay? |
| 20:51.27 | |pez| | I'm drooling at the proto drakes... |
| 20:51.28 | Redguard | Original_ChatFrame_OnEvent = ChatFrame_OnEvent; ChatFrame_OnEvent = WxS_Chat.ChatFrame_OnEvent; |
| 20:51.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: no.. |
| 20:51.52 | Redguard | help any ThePooBurner? |
| 20:52.01 | Shirik | He sold a lot: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&userid=alirla&iid=-1&de=off&items=25 |
| 20:52.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: hehe, yeah, thats kinda scary. |
| 20:52.36 | ThePooBurner | i'm not quite following how this is happening. the lines of code in question are unchanged from the working version of the mod (ie the version before i made my code more effiencent following the efficency best practices guides on the wiki) |
| 20:52.51 | Redguard | ThePooBurner paste the full extent of code affecting this |
| 20:53.19 | ThePooBurner | ok, give me a sec to past the relevent functions that show the chain of events |
| 20:54.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Anyone know a good resource/addon that has fairly basic code for using SecureActionButtons ? |
| 20:54.53 | |pez| | ... I think someone bloopered on the speed on this one - http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=61447 |
| 20:55.48 | Redguard | sounds about right to me |
| 20:55.52 | Redguard | teleporting mounts |
| 20:56.06 | |pez| | they teleport? |
| 20:56.11 | Redguard | I was joking :) |
| 20:56.18 | Redguard | it would at that speed |
| 20:56.21 | |pez| | joking on irc is baaad |
| 20:57.38 | ThePooBurner | Reguard: here is all the functions that are part of the chain of events http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98889 |
| 20:58.36 | |pez| | I remember when the Ivory Raptor was the only mount I ever wanted. |
| 20:59.01 | ThePooBurner | the only difference between that bit of code and the working version is that the frame the event are being called in is being created via Lua rather than in the XML file. |
| 21:01.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Soulsbane (n=Soulsban@dial-69-55-136-71.sofnet.net) |
| 21:02.22 | Redguard | ThePooBurner from what I see up to then it looks ok |
| 21:02.27 | Redguard | where is JoChatTimestamp_AddMessage() |
| 21:02.34 | mikma | anyone knows where the colors are defined for Creature Yell, and Creature Say? |
| 21:03.05 | Redguard | mikma I'd guess ChatFrame.lua? |
| 21:03.06 | ThePooBurner | Reguard: you mean the order in which it is in the code? |
| 21:03.16 | Redguard | ThePooBurner I don't see that defined in your post |
| 21:03.59 | mikma | -- Do more stuff!!! |
| 21:04.16 | ThePooBurner | i didn't think it was relevent since the code seemed to be stuck in a loop before being able to even call it |
| 21:04.30 | ThePooBurner | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.08 | Redguard | ThePooBurner: past me likes 375 - 385 please |
| 21:05.41 | Mikk | Or just paste the whole thing |
| 21:05.54 | Redguard | yea, pasting the WHOLE thing would help if it were line by line |
| 21:06.00 | Redguard | then i could go to the lines i want |
| 21:06.12 | Mikk | mikma: it's a configurable setting, nothing you can just fetch once |
| 21:07.04 | ThePooBurner | You mean the whole Lua file? |
| 21:07.24 | Mikk | yes |
| 21:07.52 | mikma | Mikk: something that can be fetched then :) |
| 21:08.26 | ThePooBurner | ok, i sec. though the line numbers in question are moved down slightly because i added a few lines to my default settings init function to correct an error i noticed in the saving of my variables. |
| 21:08.33 | Gnarfoz | how do I get just the part before the decimal from somethin like this? 68.1321362132564 |
| 21:09.02 | kd3 | floor()? |
| 21:09.22 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 21:09.22 | ThePooBurner | line 377 mentioned in the swatter report is now line 384. |
| 21:09.47 | ckknight | lua> tonumber((string.match("68.1321362132564", "%d+"))) |
| 21:09.48 | lua_bot | ckknight: 68 |
| 21:09.50 | ckknight | :-P |
| 21:09.53 | ckknight | don't do that, though. |
| 21:10.01 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I was thinking of something like that, but ceil() makes more sense for my case |
| 21:10.10 | ckknight | math.ceil, then |
| 21:10.19 | ThePooBurner | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98892 |
| 21:10.28 | Gnarfoz | wow has aliases for it, right? |
| 21:10.29 | ckknight | lua> math.ceil(68), math.ceil(68.00001) |
| 21:10.29 | lua_bot | ckknight: 68, 69 |
| 21:10.46 | Gnarfoz | hmmmm |
| 21:10.48 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 21:11.02 | Gnarfoz | lua> math.floor(68), math.floor(68.00001) |
| 21:11.03 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: 68, 68 |
| 21:11.09 | Gnarfoz | lua> math.floor(68), math.floor(67.99998) |
| 21:11.10 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: 68, 67 |
| 21:11.12 | ThePooBurner | that's the whole file. I'm not quite done updating all the information in it since i was still debugging, so the comments at the top haven't been updated to be acurate yet. |
| 21:11.31 | Gnarfoz | I don't want a health display to show 0% before the unit is actually *dead* |
| 21:11.35 | Gnarfoz | so I guess I'll take floor :p |
| 21:11.48 | Gnarfoz | err ceil! |
| 21:11.48 | Gnarfoz | damnit |
| 21:11.49 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 21:12.03 | ckknight | how about rounding? |
| 21:12.06 | ckknight | math.floor(x + 0.5) |
| 21:14.37 | Gnarfoz | that'll show it at 0% at 0.4%, too, right? ^^ |
| 21:14.41 | Mikk | mikma: Ummm it's a bit ... involved |
| 21:14.54 | Mikk | You need to have your addon loaded at startup, and listen for UPDATE_CHAT_COLOR |
| 21:15.12 | Mikk | arg1=chat type, arg2=r, arg3=g, arg4=b |
| 21:15.20 | ckknight | Gnarfoz: yes |
| 21:15.42 | ckknight | Gnarfoz: you could do like ("%.1f%%"):format(num) |
| 21:15.43 | Mikk | On the plus side, you will now also be alerted to the user reconfiguring the colors |
| 21:15.44 | ckknight | then you get 0.4% |
| 21:15.44 | mikma | Mikk: well let's see, i do play around with chatcolors in neonchat abit |
| 21:16.06 | Gnarfoz | ckknight: awesome! that's what I was after, just couldn't put it into words ;D |
| 21:16.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Thordurin (n=Guest@cpe-98-148-167-228.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 21:16.12 | ThePooBurner | Reguard: i used to not have the "self" on line 384, but it was added in at patch 2.4.2 in order to get the mod to keep working. in my non-efficent code that is working it is there so i am not sure how i would get the self referencing loop that Mikk was mentioning as the possibility. |
| 21:16.18 | ckknight | Gnarfoz: :-) |
| 21:16.36 | Gnarfoz | that'll show 99.5%, too, though, right? |
| 21:16.51 | ThePooBurner | *that is working with the wrath beta, it is there... |
| 21:17.12 | Gnarfoz | just trying to fix this little addon that has limited space for the string this number will appear in |
| 21:17.36 | Mikk | lua> string.format("%.1f", 99.5) |
| 21:17.37 | lua_bot | Mikk: 99.5 |
| 21:17.41 | Mikk | lua> string.format("%.1f", 99.49) |
| 21:17.42 | lua_bot | Mikk: 99.5 |
| 21:17.49 | Mikk | lua> string.format("%.1f", 99.04) |
| 21:17.49 | lua_bot | Mikk: 99.0 |
| 21:17.55 | Gnarfoz | whee rounding built-in |
| 21:17.56 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
| 21:18.40 | Redguard | ThePooBurner hrm, |
| 21:18.45 | Redguard | from what I see so far it looks ok |
| 21:19.01 | ThePooBurner | hence why i came here cause i am stumped :) |
| 21:19.13 | kd3 | the hell? digg: "Switzerland Creates Law Banning the Humiliation of Plants" |
| 21:19.17 | Mikk | Well there's another thing that's happening |
| 21:19.28 | Gnarfoz | lua> ("%.1f"):format(2313213241/9681981981*100) |
| 21:19.28 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: 23.9 |
| 21:19.28 | Mikk | You're storing the original addmessage in the chatframe table itself |
| 21:19.31 | Mikk | With a VERY generic name |
| 21:19.39 | Mikk | It wouldn't surprise me the least if there's another addon using the same generic name |
| 21:19.46 | mikma | --Add Blizzard Icon, this was sent by a GM |
| 21:19.47 | mikma | hehe |
| 21:20.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-4-225.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 21:20.45 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 21:20.46 | ThePooBurner | Mikk: but the working code is identical to it. if i disable my "improved" version and enable the old version everything works just fine |
| 21:21.10 | ThePooBurner | reguardless of the addons i have enabled. the error is only happening with my "improved" code |
| 21:21.35 | AnduinLothar | i could just disable the web irc |
| 21:22.11 | ThePooBurner | err, the "improved' version of the addon. cause the code in question is identical between the old and the new. |
| 21:22.14 | kd3 | whee. stormrage is back up... now all we need is medivh |
| 21:22.16 | Redguard | function JoChatTimestamp_AddMessage(self, msg, r, g, b, id) |
| 21:22.28 | Redguard | ThePooBurner try changing this to function JoChatTimestamp_AddMessage(msg, r, g, b, id) ? |
| 21:22.31 | AnduinLothar | if you guys are tired of the flow of nub users that give you a chance at balencing your karma ;) |
| 21:23.01 | *** join/#wowuidev frop (n=hola@unaffiliated/frop) |
| 21:23.10 | ThePooBurner | if i do that then the stamps sease to work. that was one of the changes i made to get the mod to work with the changes that happened back around 2.4 |
| 21:23.21 | Redguard | wait |
| 21:23.23 | Redguard | ignore that ^_ |
| 21:23.33 | Redguard | yea it does use self |
| 21:23.38 | ThePooBurner | and that line is identical between the old and the new versions |
| 21:23.40 | ThePooBurner | :) |
| 21:23.53 | Seerah | kd3: hubby's getting an error on retrieving character list for stormrage |
| 21:24.39 | Redguard | newmsg where is that defined ThePooBurner? |
| 21:24.44 | Redguard | inside your AddMessage |
| 21:25.09 | ThePooBurner | reguard line 478 |
| 21:25.26 | Redguard | alright |
| 21:25.51 | ThePooBurner | and 450 is where it is created, then 478 is where it is modified to contain the stamp |
| 21:27.05 | Redguard | it all looks ok from what I see ThePooBurner |
| 21:27.11 | Redguard | I don't know what to say right now :( |
| 21:27.20 | Lyn | anyone know how to edit the font of the GameTimeFrame? |
| 21:27.22 | mikma | Mikk: well, /spew ChatTypeInfo["MONSTER_SAY"] did actually tell me the rgb :) |
| 21:27.31 | Redguard | function wise it's similar to mine, which works |
| 21:27.32 | Lyn | (GameTimeFrame = Calendar) |
| 21:27.59 | ThePooBurner | yeah i am baffled. I can figure out why it works fine in the old version and not in the new one |
| 21:28.10 | ThePooBurner | *can't |
| 21:28.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Matrix110 (i=Matrix11@pD957F883.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:28.51 | Redguard | i could post the full extent of my chatframe code for timestamps etc, but I doubt it'd help |
| 21:31.16 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (n=nevin@c-76-24-240-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 21:31.16 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 21:32.45 | kd3 | gah. |
| 21:33.09 | mikma | Mikk: wooo, it works hehe :) |
| 21:34.26 | Redguard | mikma so we can say my answer was correct? |
| 21:34.34 | *** part/#wowuidev alestane (n=nevin@c-76-24-240-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 21:34.37 | kd3 | had to turn on the heater today |
| 21:35.08 | mikma | Redguard: i wasn't able to find the colors from there, so i used this simple code: r,g,b = ChatTypeInfo["MONSTER_SAY"].r,ChatTypeInfo["MONSTER_SAY"].g,ChatTypeInfo["MONSTER_SAY"].b |
| 21:35.22 | mikma | ChatFrame3:AddMessage(tostring(arg2).."says: "..arg1,r,g,b) |
| 21:36.20 | *** join/#wowuidev ievil (n=asys@149.254.200.236) |
| 21:38.15 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 21:38.59 | Redguard | local info = ChatTypeInfo[type]; |
| 21:39.06 | Redguard | self:AddMessage(arg1, info.r, info.g, info.b, info.id); |
| 21:39.14 | Redguard | that is exactly how the colors are obtained mikm |
| 21:39.16 | Redguard | a |
| 21:39.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Matrix110 (i=Matrix11@pD957F883.dip.t-dialin.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 21:40.42 | mikma | okidoki, i'm not sure will i use this anywhere but it was a great learningtrip :D |
| 21:40.42 | Redguard | it might be less instructions to use local info .. method instead of yours |
| 21:40.42 | Redguard | but functionality, they obtain the same results |
| 21:40.42 | Redguard | ya, hey you learn something new every day |
| 21:40.42 | mikma | true, and thank you for that :) |
| 21:40.42 | Redguard | :) |
| 21:40.44 | mikma | i actually didn't even know about that |
| 21:40.55 | mikma | now, i need to find a NPC that yells *all the time* |
| 21:41.15 | Redguard | hehe |
| 21:41.21 | Redguard | shattrah |
| 21:41.23 | haste | the guy who hates the fruit vendor in shatt is pretty noisy |
| 21:41.27 | Redguard | the only vendors? :P |
| 21:41.29 | Redguard | ya |
| 21:41.34 | mikma | haste: he just screamed :D |
| 21:41.36 | Redguard | only=annoying |
| 21:42.08 | Mikk | Absolutely true. ChatTypeInfo gets updated when the event fires. |
| 21:42.13 | Mikk | But now you aren't aware of color changes. |
| 21:42.21 | Mikk | Boo. |
| 21:42.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Droolio (n=drool@87-194-188-170.bethere.co.uk) |
| 21:42.47 | mikma | Mikk: won't the colors be updated when you change them, so ChatTypeInfo gets them too? |
| 21:42.56 | Redguard | Medivh - Error retrieving character list |
| 21:43.15 | Mikk | mikma: Yes, but you still have to register for UPDATE_CHAT_COLOR to know when it happens. |
| 21:43.20 | kd3 | ya |
| 21:43.20 | Mikk | And then the new colors arrive in arg2--arg4 |
| 21:43.32 | Mikk | So I don't really see the point of involving ChatTypeInfo =) |
| 21:43.34 | kd3 | but progress. at least we're getting somewhere |
| 21:43.43 | mikma | good thing i won't be using this code then! |
| 21:44.30 | mikma | what's the point of making mute-addon for npc if the messages still get displayed. and, i can just manually put the messages in different windows |
| 21:45.35 | Redguard | UpdateColorByID() |
| 21:46.13 | Redguard | mikma you could ignore the npc msges all together and never display them |
| 21:47.10 | mikma | Redguard: like this? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11219-3M.html |
| 21:47.30 | Redguard | :) |
| 21:48.04 | mikma | didn't like Quiet_NPC or something like that, simple addon chopped into million peaces and Ace* wacked in |
| 21:48.39 | mikma | it was quite horrible before, and haste gave me few tips and idea and now i like it :D |
| 21:52.20 | *** join/#wowuidev alcaras (n=chatzill@c-76-119-196-167.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 21:53.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Ruphin (n=ruphinz@82-169-214-13.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 21:54.13 | *** join/#wowuidev ievil- (n=asys@149.254.200.236) |
| 21:56.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 21:56.24 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 21:57.26 | *** join/#wowuidev nobin (n=nobin@147.252.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 22:01.15 | *** join/#wowuidev ulikemysong (n=chatzill@62.48.110.24) |
| 22:05.23 | Redguard | btw for whom ever told me the action buttons don't store unit etc information |
| 22:05.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Castigo (n=castigo@host86-157-137-254.range86-157.btcentralplus.com) |
| 22:05.29 | Castigo | boooh |
| 22:05.34 | Redguard | I've found the parent action bars and such are secure templates and do carry this information |
| 22:05.40 | Castigo | and roar every1 |
| 22:05.41 | Redguard | I feel I've struck gold :< |
| 22:05.58 | Castigo | guys can i ask u a stupid question |
| 22:06.04 | Redguard | you just did |
| 22:06.07 | Castigo | on which tool do u develop addon usually |
| 22:06.12 | kd3 | notepad |
| 22:06.18 | Redguard | textpad |
| 22:06.29 | Castigo | the addon visual studio alike + wow in windowed mode (i find this quite resource extensive) |
| 22:06.39 | mikma | joe |
| 22:06.41 | Mikk | notepad++ |
| 22:06.49 | Mikk | you can safely ignore mikma |
| 22:06.51 | Redguard | you like notepad++ over textpad? |
| 22:06.53 | Castigo | NO chance i develop a 20+ files addon in joe/vim/notepad/notepad++ |
| 22:07.05 | nevcairiel | works fine for me |
| 22:07.08 | Mikk | same |
| 22:07.11 | nevcairiel | i dont edit all files at the same time |
| 22:07.17 | nevcairiel | and i know which code is in which file |
| 22:07.36 | Redguard | Castigo I've developed corporate projects in textpad |
| 22:07.36 | mikma | well vi is too advanced for my puny little brains, so, joe. |
| 22:07.36 | Mikk | notepad++ keeps multiple files open just fine too |
| 22:07.36 | mikma | screen + joe :D |
| 22:07.36 | Castigo | redguard so did i but it's just mental :P |
| 22:07.36 | Redguard | Castigo learning to organize is important |
| 22:07.38 | Castigo | nevca i was looking for u too :P |
| 22:07.53 | nevcairiel | whatever, i'm going to sleep now |
| 22:08.00 | Castigo | noooo |
| 22:08.05 | Castigo | i wanted a design trick for ace addons :P |
| 22:08.13 | Mikk | there's more that can answer that |
| 22:08.17 | Mikk | especially in #wowace |
| 22:08.23 | nevcairiel | yeah bug Mikk about it |
| 22:08.29 | Castigo | will do :P |
| 22:08.39 | Redguard | mikk is the appointed ace helper, he gets paid for that stuff |
| 22:08.40 | Castigo | Mikk my lovely thinghy, can i bug you about it? |
| 22:08.52 | Mikk | Redguard: I wish! |
| 22:08.59 | Mikk | Not even in sexual favours! |
| 22:09.02 | Mikk | Castigo: go ahead |
| 22:09.03 | Redguard | you get paid double what I do to help people |
| 22:09.07 | mikma | well an*lsex counts as pay Mikk |
| 22:09.13 | Castigo | no chance u get one from me mikk :P but still :P |
| 22:09.15 | mikma | so let's get you on the payroll! |
| 22:09.20 | Mikk | ew |
| 22:09.24 | Redguard | haha |
| 22:09.25 | Castigo | i basically have a config file which is more or like 1k lines |
| 22:09.31 | Castigo | and i get pissed off everytime i've to edit it |
| 22:09.42 | Castigo | is there a way to define a config screen in ace which is shorter? :) |
| 22:09.52 | mikma | Mikk: but i thought swedish people like doing the second |
| 22:09.57 | Castigo | (some design trick or stuff like that i don't care more or less it's all int he same structure) |
| 22:10.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Sangi (n=Sangi@adsl-074-180-078-094.sip.msy.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:10.15 | Mikk | mikma: funny, i thought it was those funky people across the puddle that sit in saunas every day spanking eachother that liked it up the browneye |
| 22:10.36 | Castigo | it's like toggles, colors, selects, input fields, all of them just changes the name of the field and the variable really |
| 22:10.41 | mikma | Mikk: you forgot "and smacks each other with dried branches on the back" |
| 22:10.48 | AnduinLothar | for loops are your firend |
| 22:10.50 | Mikk | Castigo: Not really following you here... |
| 22:10.51 | Castigo | and redefining all of them iss kinda pissing me off, and bloating the file |
| 22:10.53 | AnduinLothar | friend* |
| 22:10.57 | Redguard | I think I joined the wrong channel |
| 22:11.06 | Mikk | And yeah ace option tables can certainly be programatically constructed |
| 22:11.10 | AnduinLothar | your mom's bloated |
| 22:11.13 | Mikk | If that's what you're wondering |
| 22:11.14 | mikma | there's nothing scarier than drunken finnish |
| 22:11.27 | *** part/#wowuidev Sangi (n=Sangi@adsl-074-180-078-094.sip.msy.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:11.42 | Redguard | Castigo reusable code is beautiful |
| 22:11.54 | Castigo | redguard aye, that's what i was wondering actually :P |
| 22:12.06 | Castigo | something like function addToggle(varname, fieldname) |
| 22:12.12 | Redguard | mikk I hear writes the first hour of reusable code for FREE |
| 22:12.16 | AnduinLothar | it's just making tables. how you make the tables is up to you |
| 22:12.18 | Redguard | inquire within, time limited offer |
| 22:12.24 | Castigo | i was just wondering if there was something already "made" for that |
| 22:12.29 | Castigo | instead of re-inventing the wheel |
| 22:12.41 | Redguard | I don't use ACE, I can't comment |
| 22:12.45 | Mikk | mmm no not so much. it tends to be a bit specific to addons. |
| 22:12.57 | AnduinLothar | what, writing ace table config is too hard for you? |
| 22:13.03 | Mikk | i mean.. aceoptions in and of itself is a huge thing made for simplifying configs |
| 22:13.13 | Mikk | and that's about as far as you can get without killing genericness |
| 22:13.24 | AnduinLothar | that's sposed to be the Dimplified way to write a config |
| 22:13.30 | AnduinLothar | Simplified* |
| 22:13.35 | Castigo | anduin if u would be less smartass and a bit more understanding, maybe u can understand my problem |
| 22:13.44 | AnduinLothar | nah, not gonna happen |
| 22:13.51 | Mikk | Castigo: a pastey would help me understand it better |
| 22:14.01 | Mikk | And AL is too busy having to be nice at work these days, he needs to offload somewhere |
| 22:14.04 | Mikk | Unfortunately for us, it is here :P |
| 22:14.06 | Redguard | AnduinLothar what do we pay you for.. |
| 22:14.09 | AnduinLothar | first i would have to WANT to understand |
| 22:14.12 | Kalroth | uu! u! |
| 22:14.21 | Castigo | i can write any config table, the fact that is upsetting me is that i've more or less the same code dupped for each of the variables and it's creating a 1k+ line table file |
| 22:14.30 | AnduinLothar | for loops |
| 22:14.31 | Castigo | which is kind of hard to mantain |
| 22:14.37 | Redguard | Castigo pastey it as suggested |
| 22:14.48 | Mikk | Lots of reading and writing variables, yeah, I understand |
| 22:15.32 | Redguard | if I wanted to read and write I'd go to school, can we get video interpretations please |
| 22:15.47 | Mikk | Redguard: there's an excellent tutorial on lemonparty.org |
| 22:16.00 | Castigo | mikk: http://www.pastey.net/98893 |
| 22:16.04 | Redguard | Mikk shame.. I can't take you anywhere :) |
| 22:16.16 | AnduinLothar | aww fuck that. i joined eots and it took 3 hhours to load, then i got in and it kicked me out and gave me deserter... |
| 22:16.18 | Castigo | this is an example, it's just a "part" of it (and poor alignment in pastey i don't know why) |
| 22:16.29 | Redguard | I put you in a pretty dress.. and I still cant take you out in public |
| 22:16.47 | Mikk | Castigo: nitpickery.. dont' do toggling in sets. trust the value you get. commandline supports having "on" and "off" after toggle names |
| 22:16.55 | Redguard | Castigo I don't like examples, just paste it |
| 22:17.04 | Mikk | (It'll do a "not" on the get()ted value for you) |
| 22:18.02 | Mikk | Well.. the ONE thing you can really cut down on is getting and setting |
| 22:18.10 | Mikk | And for that, you use handlers |
| 22:18.17 | Mikk | This is Ace3? |
| 22:18.20 | Mikk | or Ace2? |
| 22:18.21 | Castigo | yup |
| 22:18.22 | Mikk | ok |
| 22:18.23 | Castigo | ace3 |
| 22:18.54 | Castigo | mikk having something like addToggle(name, desc, var) for example would make my file definitely shorter |
| 22:19.25 | Castigo | probabily better addToggle(parentTab, name, desc, var) |
| 22:19.30 | Mikk | top level: stick a "handler = someTableMaybeMyAddonTable, get='GetOption', set='SetOption'" |
| 22:19.43 | Mikk | NOW suddenly your two functions GetOption and SetOption will be called for everything |
| 22:19.59 | Mikk | As first parameter (well after "self"), they receive an "info" table |
| 22:20.12 | Castigo | yup |
| 22:20.16 | Castigo | i know that method too |
| 22:20.19 | Mikk | This table contains the name of your setting, and all its parents |
| 22:20.57 | Mikk | Okay, well, that SHOULD cut down on stuff a lot |
| 22:21.13 | Mikk | But yeah you can also create subtables on the fly like your addToggle() idea |
| 22:21.42 | Kalroth | Or cut down on the toggles :P |
| 22:21.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Mike-N-Go (n=MikeNGoS@michaelg20.goshen.edu) |
| 22:22.09 | Castigo | Kalroth i wish :P |
| 22:22.24 | Castigo | it's just that what i like green my wife likes it blue and my friends like it yellow |
| 22:22.32 | Castigo | so i need to add configurability options :P |
| 22:22.39 | Castigo | else would have gone for the hardcoded ftw |
| 22:22.52 | Kalroth | Or an UI |
| 22:23.03 | AnduinLothar | configuration is nice. but there's something to be said for simplicity |
| 22:23.38 | Mikk | local curOrder=0; function addToggle(name,desc,varname,extrasetfunc) curOrder=curOrder+10; return {type="toggle", order=curOrder, name=name, desc=desc, get=function() return self.db.profile[varname], set=function(info,v) self.db.profile[varname]=v; if extraset then extrasetfunc(v) end end |
| 22:23.42 | Mikk | something like that |
| 22:23.49 | Mikk | except i prolly fubard somewhere |
| 22:24.12 | Castigo | yeah mikk |
| 22:24.17 | Castigo | something like that would be nice |
| 22:24.18 | Kalroth | We don't use fubar in here, we call it Mikked |
| 22:24.29 | Castigo | i just wonder why there is nothing like that defaulty built |
| 22:24.31 | Castigo | in ace3 |
| 22:24.44 | Mikk | Now you can do args = { blah=addToggle("blah","this blahs",theBlahVar,function(v) if v then --[[ do more]] end), fubar=addTogge(...) } |
| 22:24.46 | Castigo | since it's something (i suppose) widely used and common |
| 22:24.50 | Kalroth | Because it's so easy to code yourself, Castigo? :p |
| 22:24.55 | Mikk | It's not common enough |
| 22:25.12 | Mikk | You're suddenly assuming that your config data resides in self.db.profile, for one |
| 22:25.27 | Castigo | Kalroth i didn't say it was hard to code, but i can't see why i should reinvent the wheel |
| 22:25.46 | Mikk | I don't think you're reinventing it tbfh |
| 22:25.51 | Mikk | I don't remember seeing anything like this anywhere |
| 22:26.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Mike-N-Go (n=MikeNGoS@michaelg20.goshen.edu) |
| 22:27.34 | Castigo | btw back on question one |
| 22:27.51 | Castigo | does anyone uses the visual studio alike editor + wow windowed? |
| 22:30.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ~onjoin Unregistered |
| 22:30.49 | purl | onjoin for unregistered set by scytheblade1 on Sat Oct 18 15:47:13 2008: Unregistered: cosmos hasn't been updated for 3.0, nor will it be |
| 22:30.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ~onjoin -Unregistered |
| 22:30.55 | purl | ScytheBlade1: ok |
| 22:31.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ~onjoin Unregistered Unregistered: cosmos hasn't been updated for 3.0, nor will it be - see http://www.wowinterface.com/survivalguide.php for replacement mods |
| 22:31.16 | purl | ok, ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:31.38 | Castigo | get it as a no |
| 22:32.12 | Castigo | cosmos = dead? |
| 22:32.17 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit (n=foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 22:32.37 | *** join/#wowuidev netcurse (n=hthieblo@81-67-28-118.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 22:32.42 | kd3 | yup |
| 22:32.46 | Redguard | Castigo there is no need to feel you must over compensate with an overly complex editor to make yourself feel better |
| 22:33.04 | Redguard | it does not make you a better developer because your editor can collapse structures :P |
| 22:33.55 | Castigo | red it does makes me feel better if i work in a "known" environment since i pay my bills with visual sudio + it's nice to have something that can handle multiple files easely |
| 22:33.56 | Redguard | know what you want, don't want what you think you don't know |
| 22:34.19 | Redguard | so make a list of desired features, find an editor with it, and go |
| 22:34.36 | Redguard | you are open to edit whatever files you wish in visual studio's IDE |
| 22:34.37 | Castigo | so far i found myself really comfy with komodo for developing for wow, but out of the blue decided to stop working god knows why |
| 22:37.31 | Castigo | tho using addon studio + wow windowed mode is like |
| 22:37.33 | Castigo | DEAD SLOW |
| 22:38.05 | foxlit | real authors use notepad? |
| 22:38.16 | ievil- | UltraEdit ;) |
| 22:38.32 | AnduinLothar | real authors roll their own ide |
| 22:39.11 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 22:39.30 | Castigo | foxlit real authors uses brainfuck instead of lua |
| 22:39.45 | foxlit | Castigo: and they get nowhere, since it doesn't execute in WoW :) |
| 22:39.54 | foxlit | besides, _real_ authors use butterflies. |
| 22:40.18 | haste | you could always do a brainfuck bridge in lua for wow! |
| 22:40.29 | foxlit | but then you'd be using lua |
| 22:40.30 | ajmitch | foxlit: but emacs has that butterly command... |
| 22:40.33 | haste | lies |
| 22:41.02 | ThePooBurner | Reguard: ehy i figured it out. i remembered i had moved the event hook from the onload function to the on event function. In doing so the "self" that was being referenced and passed was the eventframe rather than the chat frame. I moved the hook back to the onload and the stack error went away. |
| 22:41.10 | Castigo | haste: that would be kinda sick :P |
| 22:41.22 | Redguard | ThePooBurner ahh |
| 22:41.28 | Redguard | awesome :) |
| 22:41.30 | End | uh oh |
| 22:41.32 | End | problem |
| 22:41.38 | End | I'm flying through mountains |
| 22:41.38 | ThePooBurner | at least as near as i can tell that is what was happeneing |
| 22:42.14 | ThePooBurner | now that i have that fixed i just need to debug my slash command functions now that i can actually type them in :) |
| 22:42.22 | Castigo | lol in 3 years i am running wow on windows for the first time |
| 22:42.42 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (n=nevin@c-76-24-240-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 22:42.42 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 22:43.32 | alestane | Any Gatherer users know how to get rid of the little pop-out tab under the minimap? |
| 22:43.37 | ThePooBurner | are any of the CPU profiling addons working with WOTLK beta? i would love to compare the new version of my mod to the old once i get all the kinks worked out. |
| 22:44.23 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: it's a standalone "dock" addon that's embedded... and I can't recall the name of it offhand |
| 22:44.41 | Castigo | ThePooBurner speedwise or memory wise? |
| 22:44.51 | Castigo | memorywise there are many, speedwise no clue |
| 22:44.52 | End | SlideBar? |
| 22:45.09 | alestane | What does that mean for disabling it? |
| 22:45.11 | End | oh neat |
| 22:45.11 | ThePooBurner | castigo both. i used to use BaudManager |
| 22:45.11 | Redguard | alestane is it in /gather options ? |
| 22:45.14 | End | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.19 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.19 | alestane | I'll check |
| 22:45.21 | ScytheBlade1 | That's it |
| 22:45.24 | End | try /slidebar off |
| 22:45.25 | ScytheBlade1 | (I think) |
| 22:45.29 | ThePooBurner | haven't seen any updates for it yet |
| 22:45.40 | Redguard | I know auctioneer uses /nsb off |
| 22:45.48 | alestane | That works, thank you. |
| 22:51.27 | *** join/#wowuidev mezro (n=mezro@70-41-229-253.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 22:52.36 | durcyn | haste: Butsu tosses an error in 3.0 with GiveMasterLoot() |
| 22:54.33 | Mikk | durcyn: Xloot works again :o) |
| 22:54.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Movix1 (n=mattes@82.242.144.196) |
| 22:54.50 | *** join/#wowuidev ievil (n=asys@149.254.200.250) |
| 22:55.47 | ievil | ThePooBurner, RDX's profiler works |
| 22:57.39 | ThePooBurner | ok cool, i'll check it out |
| 22:57.42 | Tem | Anyone else experiencing severe lag on live today? |
| 22:57.57 | End | I haven't much lag |
| 22:57.58 | End | but |
| 22:58.07 | End | world server crashes :( |
| 22:58.09 | mikma | Tem: well we had rolling restarts in europe. does that count? :D |
| 22:59.16 | mikma | so, where can we get the BoA items? |
| 22:59.48 | Redguard | medivh has been offline and broke for about what |
| 22:59.51 | Redguard | 10 ish hours? |
| 23:00.22 | Tem | sigh |
| 23:00.28 | Tem | I can't do ZF for myself |
| 23:00.41 | Tem | "Transfer aborted: Instance not found" |
| 23:01.12 | ievil | hmmm |
| 23:01.27 | End | I've seen that message a lot |
| 23:01.28 | ievil | seem Parrot uses more cpu than Pitbull |
| 23:01.35 | End | mostly when doing bgs though |
| 23:01.39 | End | never when doing instances |
| 23:01.47 | mikma | ievil: why are you even comparing those two? |
| 23:02.21 | End | Parrot probably loads earlier too, and might be where dogtags and friends is living |
| 23:02.24 | Castigo | question: GetInboxNumItems() returns the number of item in the inbox, how do i know how many of them are actually "new mail" ? |
| 23:02.30 | End | I wouldnt read too much into it |
| 23:02.54 | ievil | comparing anything which is top cpu hogs in my wow client right now |
| 23:03.23 | ievil | cowtip is using quite bit too |
| 23:03.36 | Yssaril | anyone have any idea how CalendarGetEventInfo() choses what data to display? |
| 23:03.40 | Tem | golly gee willikers, I'd never have guessed |
| 23:03.48 | Redguard | ievil what profiler are you using? |
| 23:03.58 | *** join/#wowuidev quoin (n=quoin@219-90-171-197.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 23:03.58 | Tem | ck addons that eat lots of resources? unheard of! |
| 23:04.37 | Redguard | LuaProfiler? |
| 23:04.44 | End | lol |
| 23:04.59 | End | this unflagged mage is acting scared of me |
| 23:05.13 | ievil | VFL Profiler |
| 23:06.02 | ievil | currently running at 17ms per frame |
| 23:06.03 | *** join/#wowuidev WobWork (n=Wobin@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:06.14 | Redguard | ew |
| 23:06.39 | Iriel | Yssaril: it depends which one you have selected, doesn't it? |
| 23:07.00 | Iriel | Yssaril: The calendar API's have two sets of functions, the context ones all work off your client's local cache of summary data |
| 23:07.19 | Yssaril | Iriel: yea but how does it know :) which one is set |
| 23:07.26 | Iriel | Yssaril: and then the more detailed ones work off the 'selected' event on the server, but require client->server interaction (so you select one, then wait for the event) |
| 23:07.38 | Iriel | You call the open event function |
| 23:07.58 | ievil | top cpu offenders seem to be: autobar, cowtip, bartender4, FuBar_PerformanceFU, LibRockTimer, Parrot, Pitbull, PitbullPowerbar |
| 23:08.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Mikk1 (n=Mikk@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 23:08.33 | Arrowmaster | you cant trust that unless you are running with disembedded libs |
| 23:08.34 | Mikk | Then you have to CheckInbox() after clearing it up and waiting 30s--60s. And maybe get more mails. |
| 23:08.36 | Mikk | (This is ALWAYS true for me on my AH toon. I get hundreds of mails a day) |
| 23:08.50 | ievil | running quite a few libs as standalone these days |
| 23:09.03 | Arrowmaster | i dont see how bt4 could be that high |
| 23:09.42 | ievil | its running at half of what cowtips does |
| 23:09.45 | ievil | but still high |
| 23:09.58 | Castigo | does anyone knows how do iget the number of new mails i've got in the inbox? i can't find any api about that |
| 23:13.13 | WobWork | >< |
| 23:13.15 | WobWork | People who use any kind of computer screen, including those on a Blackberry, cellular telephone (text messaging) or other digital handheld device, are at increased risk of developing Digital Eye Fatigue (DEF) or Computer Vision Syndrome (CVS). The American Optometric Association recognizes CVS as a condition caused by repeatedly stressing some aspect of the eyes or visual system. |
| 23:13.33 | WobWork | http://www.gunnaroptiks.com/benefits.html |
| 23:13.44 | Castigo | mikk/arrowmaster/scyte? |
| 23:13.51 | WobWork | eg. Why you need to spend buckets of cash on "computer glasses" |
| 23:13.53 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm? |
| 23:14.02 | Mike-N-Go | Hello |
| 23:14.13 | WobWork | man, sbo, you ping on misspellings of your name? |
| 23:14.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Mike-N-Go (n=MikeNGoS@michaelg20.goshen.edu) |
| 23:14.23 | ScytheBlade1 | No, I was watching IRC at the time |
| 23:14.28 | WobWork | hehe |
| 23:14.35 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, everything pings ScytheBlade1. |
| 23:14.38 | Castigo | scyte how do i get the number of new mail? i can't find any api or references on that |
| 23:14.51 | Mike-N-Go | Is it just me, or has anyone else hanged on live when entering a BG? |
| 23:14.59 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 23:15.02 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Mail_Functions |
| 23:15.05 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't see it there? |
| 23:15.30 | Castigo | nope |
| 23:15.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you're blind |
| 23:15.37 | Mikk | Castigo: I explained. You can't. |
| 23:15.44 | Mikk | You can get the number of mails in the inbox. |
| 23:15.48 | Mikk | You can't get the number of NEW mails. |
| 23:15.51 | ScytheBlade1 | GetInboxNumItems() - Returns the number of messages in your inbox. |
| 23:15.53 | End | Mike-N-Go: I tend to get an error message keeping me from going into a bg |
| 23:16.02 | Castigo | Scyte i need the NEW mails |
| 23:16.11 | Castigo | Mikk actually http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetInboxHeaderInfo :P tho i am not sure |
| 23:16.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you loop over everything and see if it's read or not |
| 23:16.32 | ScytheBlade1 | There is no way to just query the number of new mails |
| 23:16.33 | Castigo | just wondering if using http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetInboxHeaderInfo is gonna "mark" the mail as read |
| 23:16.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Listen to Mikk |
| 23:16.47 | Mike-N-Go | Well.. that sucks. I think my toon is stuck in the BG. |
| 23:16.55 | Mikk | And listening to the "read" flag is iffy as heck |
| 23:16.59 | Redguard | type /afk |
| 23:17.01 | Mikk | Since there's addons that peek in your mail |
| 23:17.09 | Mikk | And if they get to it before you do .... |
| 23:17.10 | ScytheBlade1 | afk myself! |
| 23:17.19 | Mike-N-Go | Redguard: Stuck at the load screen. |
| 23:17.36 | Mikk | The safest way to go about it is to simply store some data in your savedvars |
| 23:17.43 | Mikk | About mails you've seen already |
| 23:17.56 | Mikk | Expiring them is easy: everything 31 days or older you can toss :) |
| 23:21.12 | Ktron|zzz | That's right, elkano's factionsfu >> fubar - reputation |
| 23:21.51 | Mikk | That's very random of you |
| 23:24.15 | Castigo | well GetInboxNumItems returns 0 when i got about 5 items in my box... >< |
| 23:24.38 | Mikk | Ermh |
| 23:24.57 | Mikk | No it doesn't :P |
| 23:25.12 | Mikk | It can if you call it at the wrong time |
| 23:25.26 | Mikk | I.e. without the mailbox open |
| 23:25.59 | Mikk | (Hm... where does blizzard get their info from that sits in the minimap wart....) |
| 23:26.28 | *** join/#wowuidev JamesJr (n=jameswcr@71-87-226-168.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com) |
| 23:26.31 | *** part/#wowuidev JamesJr (n=jameswcr@71-87-226-168.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com) |
| 23:26.43 | Castigo | ouch |
| 23:26.48 | Castigo | ok i see the point |
| 23:26.49 | Castigo | :P |
| 23:27.25 | Mikk | GetLatestThreeSenders() hmmm hax |
| 23:28.13 | Mikk | Yep that's an honest-to-god API |
| 23:28.21 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Global_functions |
| 23:28.53 | Mikk | jesus there's a lot there that hasn't made it into the api page |
| 23:29.07 | Mikk | and i haven't even updated it for 3.0 :S |
| 23:29.35 | Castigo | mikk i know that one :P |
| 23:34.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Xuerian (n=core@wireless-216-222-137-237.citizip.com) |
| 23:36.56 | *** join/#wowuidev |Yssaril| (n=Yssaril@adsl-99-145-19-62.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:36.59 | *** join/#wowuidev ievil (n=asys@general-ld-213.t-mobile.co.uk) |
| 23:38.29 | *** join/#wowuidev ckknight_ (n=ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 23:38.29 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o ckknight_] by ChanServ |
| 23:41.46 | Castigo | GetLatestThreeSenders() doesn't work either unless called at the mailbox? |
| 23:43.04 | Castigo | ah ah, yes it does |
| 23:43.06 | Castigo | atleast that ^^ |
| 23:43.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Ose (n=chatzill@static142-224.adsl.no) |
| 23:45.02 | NightHawkTheSane | does anyone here have the Headless Horseman's Mount? (spellID 48025) |
| 23:45.44 | *** join/#wowuidev leethal_ (n=leethal@cm-84.215.134.225.getinternet.no) |
| 23:46.00 | Xuerian | Seen people with it |
| 23:46.07 | Xuerian | Have yet to be one of the lucky bastards to get it |
| 23:46.14 | Xuerian | (Hell one of the people I saw got it on 3rd run) |
| 23:46.46 | NightHawkTheSane | mostly I just want to know if it functions as both a ground mount in azeroth and a flying mount in outland, and if it's speed is dynamic based on skill |
| 23:47.53 | NightHawkTheSane | *sigh* fuck you blizzard. now i have to figure out how to work THAT mount into my addon |
| 23:48.02 | Xuerian | Yes, it is and yes it is |
| 23:48.21 | Mikk | NightHawkTheSane: Don't tbh. It's not a proper mount at all. |
| 23:48.23 | Xuerian | Can be used from 75 riding all the way up to epic flyer |
| 23:48.27 | Mikk | And it's on a 14d dura |
| 23:48.36 | Sixen | Anyoyne have a good Mage spec I could seE? |
| 23:48.43 | Sixen | New talents got me all confused. |
| 23:48.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: for? I can make one up rael quick |
| 23:48.44 | Xuerian | Mikk: Duration? Since when?> |
| 23:48.47 | Mikk | It doesn't even go into your mounts tab. It juts sits in your inventory. |
| 23:48.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk: ... the epic item drop? |
| 23:48.49 | ScytheBlade1 | s/rael/real/ |
| 23:48.51 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> wait, really? |
| 23:48.52 | Mikk | Oh, shit. |
| 23:48.53 | NightHawkTheSane | wtf? |
| 23:48.58 | Mikk | I thought you meant the broom. |
| 23:49.05 | NightHawkTheSane | no, i mean the horse. |
| 23:49.10 | Xuerian | mikk: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37012#comments |
| 23:49.23 | Tem | Sixen, mage spec for what? |
| 23:50.17 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. |
| 23:50.23 | Shirik | ACK! |
| 23:50.24 | Sixen | hmm |
| 23:50.25 | Shirik | Drenden Is Full |
| 23:50.30 | Sixen | PvP. |
| 23:50.31 | Shirik | Position in queue: 54 |
| 23:50.32 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:50.33 | Xuerian | What is your mod going to do, NightHawkTheSane? |
| 23:50.34 | Mikk | Lots of full serverhamsters going around now yeah |
| 23:50.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Frost for you! |
| 23:50.43 | Sixen | BG's, not Arena. |
| 23:50.48 | Mikk | I had 300 queue earlier suddenly. Haven't seen queue since tbc opening. |
| 23:50.51 | Sixen | Maybe a little arena, but mostly BG's. |
| 23:51.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: not going, already does. it's a random-mount mod. |
| 23:51.24 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Ahhh. You should just be able to count it in all pools |
| 23:51.34 | Xuerian | Annoying, but fairly easy I'd think |
| 23:51.47 | Sixen | Sbo, you think Frost > Fire? |
| 23:51.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: yeah, mostly annoying. ;) |
| 23:51.52 | Sixen | I heard Arcane was good now as well. |
| 23:52.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: can you confirm whether or not the mouont gets added to your companions like every other mount, though? |
| 23:52.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: something like http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZZiIMIofu0fdgfst |
| 23:52.31 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: It looks like it does, look at the item: "Teaches you how to summon the mount" |
| 23:52.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Frost still reins supreme for PvP |
| 23:52.44 | Sixen | hrm |
| 23:52.50 | Mikk | Xuerian: But like I said.. fuck the _broom_ :P |
| 23:52.53 | Sixen | Does it have better DPS? |
| 23:52.58 | Xuerian | Mikk: Lol, indeed |
| 23:53.15 | Redguard | Sixen the beauty is you get to choose your own specifications you want |
| 23:53.21 | Sixen | orly? |
| 23:53.32 | Redguard | Sixen instead of immitating someonely randomly, why not read the talents and choose your own? |
| 23:53.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: hm, wowhead does not appear to be updated with the latest item description |
| 23:53.50 | Sixen | Because i'm lazy? ;9 |
| 23:54.01 | Sixen | And chances are, I won't pick the best talent set. |
| 23:54.04 | Redguard | and we should encourage your lazy behavior why? |
| 23:54.13 | Redguard | best is a relative word |
| 23:54.15 | Xuerian | "Teaches you how to summon this mount", quote from in-game live build |
| 23:54.35 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Since atlasloot has it, and it's dropped, that is from a live link |
| 23:54.38 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i just found a link in-game. |
| 23:54.46 | NightHawkTheSane | thanks, though :) |
| 23:54.47 | Mikk | Sixen: changes are noone cares THAT bloody much about 3.0 talents at 70 |
| 23:54.49 | Mikk | chances* |
| 23:54.56 | NightHawkTheSane | I would have murdered blizzard if that mount decided to be different :p |
| 23:54.59 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: lol |
| 23:55.08 | Sixen | Hrmph. |
| 23:55.11 | NightHawkTheSane | I can handle the brooms being different, as they expire. fuck em. |
| 23:55.20 | Mikk | The trees are indeed built for a few optimum builds geared towards different purposes... But you're assumed to have 71 talent points to spend to get it all. |
| 23:55.26 | Xuerian | Mikk: That's the problem though, a lot of people are making a stink about it. |
| 23:55.48 | Xuerian | They shouldn't... Why? What's the point? ... But they're people -_- |
| 23:56.02 | Mikk | Reply "You fail at life. Come back on nov 13." |
| 23:56.02 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: that's broke, yeah |
| 23:56.11 | AnduinLothar | lots of instances avail |
| 23:56.19 | Xuerian | Mikk: You'd think that'd work too, but they don't listen XD |
| 23:56.23 | ScytheBlade1 | How many? |
| 23:56.23 | AnduinLothar | eots had none. wsg had like 12 |
| 23:56.27 | Mikk | Then stop listening to them :o) |
| 23:56.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 23:56.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Nightfall can see >100 WSGs at a time easily |
| 23:57.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Blue bar? |
| 23:57.16 | AnduinLothar | i got in ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:57.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Me too, just right now |
| 23:57.27 | Xuerian | Mikk: They're family, and they have my phone number.. .halp :( |
| 23:57.30 | Shirik | ~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 23:57.31 | purl | No, really, STOP! |
| 23:57.45 | Mikk | Xuerian: muahaha =) |
| 23:57.49 | Mikk | Nice to see you around btw ;) |
| 23:57.50 | Sixen | Sbo, any chance you couldmake me a quick fire on? :) |
| 23:58.21 | ScytheBlade1 | For PvP? |
| 23:58.24 | Xuerian | Mikk: Same, thanks for the maintenance. |
| 23:59.01 | Sixen | Yar. |
| 23:59.01 | Legorol | family that plays WoW *and* bitches about it? |
| 23:59.03 | Legorol | sounds like a nightmaer |
| 23:59.21 | Xuerian | Pretty much |
| 23:59.23 | Sixen | My old spec was lots of fire and like 14 in ice. I had icy veins/frost nova stuff. |
