| 00:01.27 | Fisker- | stupid blizzard |
| 00:01.39 | Fisker- | "Oh lets show you this replay of this fucking awsum SC2 match" |
| 00:01.45 | Fisker- | *cuts off live stream* |
| 00:02.13 | Fisker- | Infact why even stop after 2 games of SC, it's not like there's $25k on the line, why not just give us all 3 games |
| 00:02.14 | Fisker- | >:E |
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| 00:33.48 | NightHawkTheSane | does anyone have a link to the forum thread about the interface options methods and stuff? or somewhere else with that info? |
| 00:35.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Interface options methods and stuff? |
| 00:36.16 | NightHawkTheSane | describing InterfaceOptions_AddCategory, and the various frame variables it the interface options use |
| 00:36.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I've always checked the UI source |
| 00:36.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It contains a HOWTO on what you need to do |
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| 00:37.52 | NightHawkTheSane | so it does, which is the exact stuff i was looking for |
| 00:38.02 | NightHawkTheSane | it is/was in a post on the UI & Macros forum as well |
| 00:38.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 00:38.11 | NightHawkTheSane | thank you |
| 00:38.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is also a... trick to find |
| 00:38.18 | ScytheBlade1 | The UI source is right there :) |
| 00:38.20 | NightHawkTheSane | which is why i asked. :) |
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| 01:02.54 | NightHawkTheSane | my kingdom for an isp that doesn't fucking suck. |
| 01:03.17 | |pez| | You have a kingdom to give away? |
| 01:03.59 | NightHawkTheSane | well.. not as such.. no.. |
| 01:03.59 | Esine | NightHawkTheSane, you could try moving to a country that doesn't lag 3 years compared to rest of the world :) |
| 01:04.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Esine: touché. |
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| 01:28.24 | NightHawkTheSane | question for anyone: I'm assembling a list of your fastest mounts. Is it better to build a table of -all- mounts, and their speed, recording the fasted speed seen in a local and iterating through a second time grabbing only mounts of that speed... |
| 01:29.00 | ambethia | 60%, 100%, 280%, 310% |
| 01:29.02 | ambethia | done |
| 01:29.09 | ambethia | ;) |
| 01:29.18 | NightHawkTheSane | or.. is it better to iterate once, wiping out the existing data and creating a new table every time we encounter a mount that's faster than any previously seen mount... |
| 01:29.54 | Pneumatus | the fastest way would be to iterate, the first time you see a faster mount you ignore the slower previous ones, and only record the current speed mounts |
| 01:30.03 | Pneumatus | then if you find a faster one again in the future, wipe the list again |
| 01:30.49 | Pneumatus | so say you have like 100, 100, 60, 60, 60, 280, 100, 280, 100, 60 |
| 01:30.55 | NightHawkTheSane | my only concern there is the table churn of doing that.. |
| 01:31.02 | ambethia | Druid Naxx set is so ugly... |
| 01:31.11 | Pneumatus | it would be like store, store, ignore, ignore, ignore, wipe + store, ignore, store, ignore, ignore |
| 01:31.11 | NightHawkTheSane | but i guess if im only doing that on login, and when the player learns a new mount. thats not a big deal |
| 01:31.37 | Pneumatus | youd just zero the table and then add a new key |
| 01:31.40 | Pneumatus | rather than creating new tables etc |
| 01:32.06 | NightHawkTheSane | zero the table? |
| 01:32.11 | Pneumatus | table = nil |
| 01:32.46 | NightHawkTheSane | right, your still having to create a new table for the new info, though |
| 01:33.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i guess its a matter of iteration vs table creation |
| 01:33.24 | Pneumatus | at most you'd create 4 tables, for the average user only 3 |
| 01:33.37 | Pneumatus | as very few have 310% mounts |
| 01:33.55 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, i'm even considering lumping the 310's into the 280's anyway ;) |
| 01:34.00 | Pneumatus | BUT youd have less memory usage churning tables than storing it all and iterating twice |
| 01:34.18 | Pneumatus | and possibly less CPU time only iterating once and churning |
| 01:34.25 | NightHawkTheSane | hm.. really? yeah, your probably right |
| 01:34.25 | ambethia | make sure those people get some kind of nil function exception, because the rest of us are jealous |
| 01:34.31 | Pneumatus | due to the amount of comparisons youd have to make on each iteration |
| 01:35.24 | Pneumatus | you _could_ however make a 3d table, table = { [310] = { [mount1] = true, [mount2] = true } } etc |
| 01:36.12 | Pneumatus | which would save on comparisons after indexing the full mount list |
| 01:36.34 | Pneumatus | there's probably not a great deal in it, actually |
| 01:37.03 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. i realize im probably dealing with something thats such a small scale it doesn't matter much either way ;) |
| 01:37.11 | Dewin | In my attempt to get exalted Exodar rep on my lv44 gnome mage... DING exalted Stormwind |
| 01:37.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: yay, horsie! |
| 01:37.22 | Dewin | A gnorse isn't quite as cool as a gnomeaphant, but it'll have to do. |
| 01:37.32 | Pneumatus | i'd imagine youd want to store a list of all 100% and all 310%/280% anyway |
| 01:37.47 | Pneumatus | rather than just flying or land |
| 01:37.55 | Pneumatus | but no idea what your implementing :> |
| 01:38.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Pneumatus: actually, i only care about the fastest mounts from each class (ground/flying). it's for a summon-random-mount addon. |
| 01:38.23 | Dewin | 7000 more rep and I'm completely out places to get faction >.> |
| 01:38.23 | NightHawkTheSane | It's on wowi now, actually. StableBoy |
| 01:38.44 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm just reviewing my code, looking for ways to clean it up & improve it. |
| 01:39.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: done the cloth turnins available to you, for all reps? |
| 01:39.34 | Dewin | Just Exodar. I tested it, cloth turnins do NOT spillover. |
| 01:39.46 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought all rep gains spillover.. |
| 01:39.47 | Dewin | At least, my Darnassus rep didn't budge at all after doing some turnins. |
| 01:39.50 | Dewin | Nope |
| 01:39.53 | NightHawkTheSane | hm |
| 01:39.55 | Dewin | lv1-10 area quest turnins don't either. |
| 01:40.37 | Dewin | why can't there be a 21-30 draenei area >.> Ashenvale doesn't count. |
| 01:41.12 | Dewin | I can still get ifrom other quests, but at 62 rep per turnin... |
| 01:41.16 | Dewin | lua>print 7000/62 |
| 01:41.16 | |pez| | I hate Ashenvale. |
| 01:41.16 | lua_bot | Dewin: luabot:1: '=' expected near '7000' |
| 01:41.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: because thats an entire new zone of terrain, quests, mobs, npcs, items, etc to develop :p |
| 01:41.24 | Dewin | lua>print(7000/62) |
| 01:41.24 | lua_bot | Dewin: 112.90322580645 |
| 01:41.27 | Dewin | that's a lot of quests to do. |
| 01:41.38 | Dewin | and I've done westfall and loch modan already |
| 01:41.41 | Dewin | and darkshore |
| 01:42.11 | Dewin | so the quests become more involved than "round up 10 mobs and cast Arcane Explosion. If you're unlucky, cast Arcane Explosion again." |
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| 01:45.32 | ckknight | nevcairiel: yea, I'm still here |
| 01:45.42 | ckknight | my parents are in town, though |
| 01:45.48 | ckknight | which is why I was gone today |
| 01:45.48 | NightHawkTheSane | michael shanks is pretty awesome |
| 01:47.52 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: he went to bed a while ago i think |
| 01:48.03 | ckknight | it's all good |
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| 01:48.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: poke! |
| 01:48.33 | ckknight | hey ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:48.42 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: how much "admin" do you have over Curse? |
| 01:48.51 | ckknight | curse.com, little |
| 01:49.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Because it seems that I created two user accounts via the Curse Client that don't work |
| 01:49.24 | ScytheBlade1 | And now both ScytheBlade1 and Sbo are taken, and I won't be able to get my Ace addons fix easily |
| 01:49.25 | ckknight | hrm |
| 01:49.28 | ckknight | that seems odd |
| 01:49.46 | ckknight | question: can you still log into other sites? |
| 01:49.55 | ckknight | e.g. curse.com or curseforge? |
| 01:50.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope, I don't know the passwords or e-mail addresses on either account |
| 01:51.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is... "odd" |
| 01:51.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Because there's only one password I'd use for it |
| 01:51.14 | ScytheBlade1 | And only two possible e-mail accounts that I'd use |
| 01:51.56 | ckknight | try the forgot your password things? |
| 01:52.03 | ScytheBlade1 | it asks for your e-mail |
| 01:52.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I've plugged in -everything- |
| 01:52.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It just returns me to the "enter your e-mail" screen with no e-mail in my inbox and no new messages |
| 01:54.19 | NightHawkTheSane | "So.. you can only give compliments to the DYING?" "It's.. something I'm working on." |
| 01:54.46 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: old |
| 01:55.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: just finished getting around to watching it >< |
| 01:55.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: just hoping you could nuke both accounts, or at least get one in a working state for me is all |
| 01:55.14 | ckknight | I can't control that at all |
| 01:55.15 | ScytheBlade1 | If not then whatever |
| 01:55.15 | ckknight | sorry |
| 01:55.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Allright |
| 01:55.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone you can point me to by chance? |
| 01:55.23 | ckknight | :-( |
| 01:55.29 | ckknight | um |
| 01:55.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Or anyone you can +1 the issue to? :) |
| 01:56.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Again, if not then whatever |
| 01:56.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ScytheBlade2 shall be born |
| 01:56.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 01:56.59 | ckknight | there used to be a contact us on curse... |
| 01:57.07 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm also kinda OCD when it comes to such stuff |
| 01:57.20 | ckknight | if you could get in contact with Kody-, then you'd be golden |
| 01:57.23 | ckknight | he's at Blizzcon now |
| 01:58.01 | ScytheBlade1 | He in here often? |
| 01:58.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Or another channel? |
| 02:00.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ~seen Kody- |
| 02:00.50 | purl | kody- <n=kody@72-254-82-39.client.stsn.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 1d 21h 59m 25s ago, saying: 'diablo 3 playable ;x'. |
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| 02:24.39 | cbreak | strand of the ancients is my new favorite bg |
| 02:25.04 | NightHawkTheSane | don't you not pvp? :p |
| 02:25.06 | cbreak | even with my level 75 char I could wreck havoc in horde lines and win the game :) |
| 02:25.22 | cbreak | it's not real pvp. it's driving a tank around killing stuff |
| 02:25.25 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 02:25.36 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i've been meaning to try that one |
| 02:25.50 | NightHawkTheSane | also, why the hell does it feel like it's 11 pm >.> |
| 02:25.51 | cbreak | the only stupid problem is that you have to swimm to the bg |
| 02:25.56 | cbreak | which takes 2 minutes |
| 02:26.09 | cbreak | it's 0426 in the morning here. :) |
| 02:26.31 | NightHawkTheSane | it's 7:30pm here. :p |
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| 02:36.15 | Syzgyn | So I just watched '28 Weeks Later' |
| 02:36.45 | Syzgyn | The entire movie can be summed up in 'Why the hell are people so goddamn stupid?' |
| 02:37.27 | zenzelezz | not quite what you were hoping for then? |
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| 02:39.17 | Syzgyn | It wasn't a terrible movie, but you're misunderstanding what I mean |
| 02:39.50 | Syzgyn | Its a zombie movie, and every thing that goes wrong could have been prevented if people weren't so stupid. |
| 02:41.06 | zenzelezz | I watched "28 Days Later", I would have expected people to have learned over the course of six months |
| 02:41.12 | Syzgyn | "Hey, lets leave the quarantined zone!" "Hey, lets bring back the survivor we found there" "Hey, lets give a fucking janitor access to highly secure military areas" |
| 02:41.57 | Syzgyn | The basic jist this time around is, they find someone whos a carrier but immune, bring her back, and her husband kisses her |
| 02:42.07 | Syzgyn | Wam Bam, outbreak |
| 02:42.58 | Syzgyn | The kicker is at the end, they've got a kid thats immune too, and decide "Hey, lets bring him to the mainland!" |
| 03:10.11 | End | lua> not 0 |
| 03:10.12 | lua_bot | End: false |
| 03:14.48 | End | blargle? |
| 03:15.59 | End | I'm helping someone debug their warhammer addon code |
| 03:16.03 | End | :o |
| 03:16.10 | End | I've never coded for that before |
| 03:16.18 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, its all lua. |
| 03:16.22 | End | yeah |
| 03:16.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i kind of want to try warhammer. but i kind of don't want to set up windows on my mac. |
| 03:17.13 | ScytheBlade1 | s/on my mac// |
| 03:17.23 | NightHawkTheSane | End: also, i hate you. I'm currently working on adding mount filtering in to StableBoy. :P |
| 03:17.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: zing! |
| 03:17.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ^^ |
| 03:17.32 | End | <3 |
| 03:17.55 | NightHawkTheSane | you mostly got me thinking that "gee. if im going to buy a bunch of mounts for the achievement, i don't necessarily want to -use- all of them >.>" |
| 03:18.03 | End | hehe |
| 03:18.04 | End | yeah |
| 03:18.24 | End | that actually means you might need a real ui though :P |
| 03:18.33 | NightHawkTheSane | plus it gave me a good excuse to take a good look at how i was storing & parsing data and revamp some cod |
| 03:18.34 | NightHawkTheSane | e |
| 03:18.37 | End | since you mostly just had keybindings plus a click frame |
| 03:18.43 | End | heh |
| 03:18.43 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 03:19.04 | NightHawkTheSane | But the UI is going to be pretty simple. Just a couple panels in InterfaceOptions that have a list of checkboxes for your mounts ;)( |
| 03:19.11 | End | cool |
| 03:19.28 | zenzelezz | revamping cod, that sounds... wrong |
| 03:23.50 | NightHawkTheSane | lua> a = { 5 = true, 13 = true, 72 = true} return #a; |
| 03:23.50 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 03:24.12 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. |
| 03:24.16 | End | use [] |
| 03:24.17 | End | ? |
| 03:24.30 | NightHawkTheSane | lua> a = { [5] = true, [13] = true, [72] = true} return #a; |
| 03:24.30 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: 0 |
| 03:24.45 | NightHawkTheSane | table indexing still confuses me at times. >< |
| 03:25.03 | NightHawkTheSane | so.. i've got a table that has non-sequential numeric indexes, how do i get the size? >.> |
| 03:25.22 | End | depends |
| 03:25.27 | Syzgyn | Dumb question: How do I use HandyNotes |
| 03:25.30 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, i think i remember asking this before, and the answer being.. "you don't" or "keep track yourself" |
| 03:25.36 | Syzgyn | Er, nevermind |
| 03:25.37 | End | you might want to jsut ...yeah |
| 03:25.42 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: you enumerate over the entire table |
| 03:25.52 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: i'll go with "keep track yourself" :) |
| 03:26.17 | ScytheBlade1 | #a returns 0 because 0 doesn't exist yet, and all that #a keeps is a record of the highest *sequential* numeric index |
| 03:26.27 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, im remembering that now |
| 03:26.40 | Syzgyn | lua is dumb like that |
| 03:26.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i kind of vastly dislike the way lua handles that. |
| 03:27.00 | ScytheBlade1 | It's generally not a problem |
| 03:28.12 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. its just vaguely a nuisance at times |
| 03:28.20 | Syzgyn | it does table sorting just as stupidly |
| 03:28.24 | Mike-N-Go | I have a question, a question about licensing addons. What license(s) would credit the writer and allow others to freely modify the source code, redistribute it except for profit? |
| 03:28.49 | Syzgyn | GPL? |
| 03:28.59 | Syzgyn | I'm not too knowledgeable with licenses |
| 03:29.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Mike-N-Go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software_licences |
| 03:29.29 | batrick | GPL isn't the way to go if you dont' want them redistributing for profit |
| 03:31.41 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, I like how "Poetic License" is listed as GPL-Compatable |
| 03:32.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i also like how it's actually a license |
| 03:33.32 | Syzgyn | Honestly I wouldn't worry too much about someone trying to sell your addon for profit :P |
| 03:34.40 | Mike-N-Go | Yah never know.. |
| 03:35.42 | Mike-N-Go | I am thinking I am going to go for the BSD licenses. |
| 03:37.06 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks for your help. |
| 03:37.46 | Syzgyn | I'd probably only worry about licensing my code if I came up with some genius algorithm for something |
| 03:38.46 | ScytheBlade1 | The BSD licenses don't prohibit redistribution for profit |
| 03:39.14 | ScytheBlade1 | In that context, you're worse off with a BSD license than you are a GPL license |
| 03:39.48 | Mike-N-Go | Meh, what market is there for addons to make money? |
| 03:40.34 | Syzgyn | Theres some |
| 03:40.40 | Syzgyn | but its all comission based |
| 03:41.13 | Mike-N-Go | If someone would want to take my code and improve it, they have a lot of work ahead of them.. |
| 03:41.28 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 03:43.09 | ScytheBlade1 | The only real requirement that a standard BSD license has is that if you reuse the code in any fashion, you're required to give proper credit to those who wrote that code |
| 03:43.34 | ScytheBlade1 | There's no requirement -at all- when it comes to for-profit vs. otherwise, and no requirement -at all- in terms of what the code may or may not be used for |
| 03:43.47 | Syzgyn | Every once and a while someone will come in here looking for someone to write an addon for em |
| 03:44.43 | Mike-N-Go | ScytheBlade1: That is what is most important, other then declaiming liability for damages; credit. |
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| 03:44.55 | Syzgyn | I wrote one for one guy, some tiny-ass addon, and he paid me $200 o.O |
| 03:45.17 | Mike-N-Go | Syzgyn: What was the addon about? |
| 03:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Mike-N-Go: keep in mind that also means that someone else can take your code, change it, sell it for a profit, give you no money and no code back, as long as they just mention your name |
| 03:45.33 | Syzgyn | Auctioned everything in his inv for a set amount |
| 03:45.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:45.43 | ScytheBlade1 | There is a macro for that... |
| 03:46.01 | Mike-N-Go | ScytheBlade1: Works for me. |
| 03:46.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Mike-N-Go: then cool. :) |
| 03:46.35 | Syzgyn | ScytheBlade1: a macro? |
| 03:47.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: yeah, I've seen a macro that would auction all grey items in your inventory for 1c. Likewise "expanding" it to all items would only make it shorter |
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| 03:49.28 | Syzgyn | He did ask for a few other things afterwards, but still a pretty simplistic mod |
| 03:49.52 | Mike-N-Go | Syzgyn: How did he contact you? |
| 03:50.04 | Syzgyn | Through here |
| 03:50.12 | Mike-N-Go | That is awsome. |
| 03:50.24 | Mike-N-Go | You made some money. |
| 03:50.33 | Mike-N-Go | How long did it take to make the addon? |
| 03:51.01 | Arrowmaster | i made $10 for making some modification to quartz for a guy |
| 03:52.15 | Mike-N-Go | Syzgyn: Is that the current or the 4-point BSD you were talking about? |
| 03:53.25 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh. i'm going to have to create a scrolling frame, arn't i. >< |
| 03:53.50 | Mike-N-Go | ScytheBlade1: I mean you, not Syzgyn.. |
| 03:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Mike-N-Go: one of them :) I haven't ever read all of them in detail, it was just my understanding that most BSD licenses revolved around that point |
| 03:59.10 | Mike-N-Go | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_license |
| 03:59.21 | Mike-N-Go | Read: UC Berkeley advertising clause |
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| 04:01.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Mike-N-Go: current |
| 04:01.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 04:01.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I lied, and can't read |
| 04:02.00 | ScytheBlade1 | All it states is copyright notice being displayed |
| 04:02.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Which usually works out to be author credit |
| 04:02.19 | Mike-N-Go | Do you need to see a doctor? |
| 04:02.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I need a lot of things :) |
| 04:04.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I really like the BSD license for a lot of things. I think if I ever really published software for free, I'd be using it |
| 04:06.33 | Syzgyn | Mike-N-Go: It took about 1-2 hours of actual work |
| 04:06.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: really too bad it was only one addon, I could go for those rates :) |
| 04:07.00 | Syzgyn | Seriously :P |
| 04:07.07 | Mike-N-Go | Advertise! |
| 04:07.38 | Syzgyn | I did a 2nd one somewhat recently, but I dont remember at all what it was about |
| 04:07.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me if he advertised as an addon developer for that rate... he wouldn't get a lot of work, haha |
| 04:07.51 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 04:08.04 | Syzgyn | I had a possible project in the works |
| 04:08.15 | Syzgyn | but I think I scared em off with the amout of time it would take |
| 04:08.26 | Mike-N-Go | "WoW AddOn programmer looking for work, please contact if me at EMAIL if interested. Salary negotiable." |
| 04:08.45 | ScytheBlade1 | That I can see |
| 04:09.05 | Syzgyn | Most people dont realize how much time it takes to write an addon though |
| 04:09.25 | Mike-N-Go | Well, you would tell them! |
| 04:09.27 | Syzgyn | especially those who would email saying 'dude I have an awesome idea for this addon with 20 different features' |
| 04:09.32 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 04:09.42 | Mike-N-Go | Is negotiable not a two way street? |
| 04:09.55 | Syzgyn | theres negotiable and disillusioned |
| 04:10.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 04:10.22 | Syzgyn | Someone wants you to write, lets say a unitframe mod |
| 04:10.42 | Syzgyn | thats probably a good 10 hours of coding and testing, max |
| 04:11.24 | Syzgyn | So, $100-200, depending on how much your time is worth |
| 04:11.33 | Mike-N-Go | Syzgyn: Depends on how much they are willing to pay. |
| 04:11.38 | Syzgyn | Thats kinda my point |
| 04:11.40 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> i'd charge more than that, Syzgyn |
| 04:11.43 | Syzgyn | Yeah |
| 04:11.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, $200 for 10hrs is only $20/hr :p |
| 04:12.03 | NightHawkTheSane | my time is worth way more than that. |
| 04:12.12 | Syzgyn | I guarantee any random joe who wants an addon written isnt willing to pay the proper amount |
| 04:12.20 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. |
| 04:12.21 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: mine isnt right now :P |
| 04:12.39 | Mike-N-Go | Nothing says you have to agree to the terms or not; besides, you might get a good idea, and work on it anyways. Or also have them allow you to own the code. |
| 04:12.53 | Syzgyn | There is no owning code in addons |
| 04:12.58 | Mike-N-Go | Syzgyn: Do you own that code, or he? |
| 04:13.12 | Mike-N-Go | Own the copyright? |
| 04:13.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: technically ther eis |
| 04:13.28 | Mike-N-Go | Syzgyn: Can you expand on that? |
| 04:13.30 | Syzgyn | True, I guess technically there is |
| 04:13.49 | Syzgyn | but realistically, if someone wants your code, they can get it with no effort |
| 04:13.51 | NightHawkTheSane | depending on the license used, there may or may not be implications of that. |
| 04:14.12 | Syzgyn | And I'm not about to go to court for an addon code if they break whatever license I'm using |
| 04:15.18 | Mike-N-Go | The reason I want a license on my code is to limit liability and formally require them to credit me. |
| 04:16.11 | Syzgyn | Mike: The problem is with such low barriers of entry, there's a good chance that someone who would use your code doesn't even know about licenses |
| 04:16.36 | Mike-N-Go | Maybe, formally request? |
| 04:17.53 | Syzgyn | Of course, I say all that, and the same things happen in real software development too, so :P |
| 04:20.45 | Syzgyn | I guess I just dont value my own addon code enough to care |
| 04:21.41 | Mike-N-Go | I ponder, is there a license wow addon code is defaulted to, if none is otherwise present? |
| 04:22.14 | Syzgyn | I dont expect so |
| 04:27.48 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:27.52 | Arrowmaster | all rights reserved |
| 04:28.05 | Arrowmaster | meaning you cant do anything with it but use it |
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| 04:31.46 | NightHawkTheSane | grrrrr... |
| 04:32.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ISPs need to have one of their executives decapitated every time a user's connection drops. >< |
| 04:35.53 | ToRTuReD_X | ...rofl |
| 04:36.03 | ToRTuReD_X | that needs to be quoted abd put into a wb message |
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| 04:39.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It's about a month too early for snow |
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| 04:40.00 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf nevcairiel |
| 04:40.06 | Shirik|Ecole | make me cry :( |
| 04:40.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: how was it? |
| 04:40.18 | Shirik|Ecole | YOU TOO |
| 04:40.22 | Shirik|Ecole | (15:55:14) (ScytheBlade1) He yelled "two minutes!" |
| 04:40.23 | Shirik|Ecole | (15:55:23) (nevcairiel) i bet its Shirik|Ecole |
| 04:40.32 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 04:40.40 | NightHawkTheSane | ~nevcairiel++ |
| 04:40.41 | Shirik | anyway, fun times indeed |
| 04:40.43 | ScytheBlade1 | That wasn't me bashing you, that was nevcairiel |
| 04:40.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Group photo happen? |
| 04:41.09 | Shirik | unfortunately, at Q&A there were no UI guys there so I withheld the question and instead decided to pose it at a more opportune time |
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| 04:41.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah good |
| 04:41.25 | NightHawkTheSane | like, when you're getting drunk with zootfizzle & slouken later? |
| 04:41.25 | Shirik | the answer I got was "That sounds like something that needs to be reviewed further before I can answer" basically :) |
| 04:41.31 | ScytheBlade1 | If you asked it there I would have been disappointed |
| 04:41.51 | Shirik | in other words, they don't really know off the top of their head and since they're trying to have fun too, I'll ask later :) |
| 04:42.08 | Shirik | yes the group photo happened |
| 04:42.13 | ScytheBlade1 | awesome |
| 04:42.15 | ScytheBlade1 | How many people? |
| 04:42.21 | Shirik | umm |
| 04:42.29 | Shirik | 15-20? |
| 04:42.39 | ScytheBlade1 | not bad |
| 04:42.45 | ScytheBlade1 | more than last |
| 04:42.51 | Shirik | at benihanas we had like.... 55? |
| 04:42.59 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 04:43.09 | Shirik | omg so squished |
| 04:43.12 | Shirik | but still fun |
| 04:43.35 | Shirik | disney tomorrow, but I can't go :( |
| 04:43.43 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 04:44.04 | Shirik | however!!!! |
| 04:44.17 | Shirik | did you hear the feature that got snuck in about mounts during Q&A? |
| 04:44.22 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 04:44.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I did |
| 04:44.26 | NightHawkTheSane | swimming! |
| 04:44.29 | Shirik | that was pretty cool |
| 04:44.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I recorded that entire Q&A session |
| 04:45.59 | Shirik | wow, Dolby is fast |
| 04:46.18 | Shirik | at one point today we were at 25 mods pending approval, sorry guys :( |
| 04:46.22 | Shirik | but apparently all cleaned up now |
| 04:46.28 | NightHawkTheSane | slackers. ;) |
| 04:48.30 | Elessdy | mounts in D3. |
| 04:48.42 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: What yah talking about? |
| 04:48.43 | Elessdy | that's what you should reveal. |
| 04:48.52 | Elessdy | and why the hell haven't i timed out yet? |
| 04:48.53 | Shirik | the mounts, Mike-N-Go? |
| 04:49.15 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: at one point today we were at 25 mods pending approval, sorry guys |
| 04:49.25 | Shirik | on wowi |
| 04:49.33 | Mike-N-Go | What do you do to approve them? |
| 04:49.41 | Shirik | review them, etc. |
| 04:49.44 | NightHawkTheSane | testing random functions makes me cry |
| 04:49.51 | Shirik | All addons are manually reviewed before they're posted on wowi |
| 04:49.52 | Mike-N-Go | In what manner? |
| 04:49.53 | Elessdy | take bribes |
| 04:50.03 | Mike-N-Go | Bribes!!? |
| 04:50.05 | Shirik | There's a lot of things, and it's dependent upon what's in it |
| 04:50.17 | Mike-N-Go | May you indulge me? |
| 04:50.19 | NightHawkTheSane | if shirik doesn't like your code, it doesn't get in. *nod* |
| 04:50.42 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: How could you :( |
| 04:51.46 | Elessdy | well, i'm sure they look for things that ... uh... do obvious bad things that aren't part of the addon's description |
| 04:51.57 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: Really, I am a bit curious about what you review. |
| 04:52.03 | Shirik | Obviously your basic checks (verification that files are only that of addons, viral check, etc). Check to ensure that the uploader is really the author. Check to ensure the uploader's not releasing sensitive information of his own. There's a lot more that could be done |
| 04:52.14 | Duman | whee |
| 04:52.15 | Shirik | I don't really have a checklist |
| 04:52.23 | Shirik | I just do what is right for that particular case |
| 04:52.48 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh, so a sanity check for the file? |
| 04:52.52 | NightHawkTheSane | its really more of a "is there a compelling reason we would not want to be hosting this file" check |
| 04:52.57 | Shirik | right |
| 04:53.13 | Shirik | we're not going to check to make sure it works, etc. |
| 04:53.19 | Shirik | We aren't beta testers :P |
| 04:53.24 | Shirik | also that would take forever |
| 04:54.03 | Mike-N-Go | It would be nice if there was a way an author could tag an addon as 'requesting feedback' so the users could.. oh wait, that can be put in the description. |
| 04:56.14 | Elessdy | finally. damn, that was 15 minutes ago |
| 04:57.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh wow |
| 04:57.40 | Shirik | you don't auth with nickserv? |
| 04:57.51 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.01 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.06 | Shirik | Corrodias, you know you can use nickserv's ghost command, right? |
| 04:58.16 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: win |
| 04:58.24 | Duman | well, I'm sad. Never found Maaven/Gradina.. or Hortus |
| 04:58.24 | Corrodias | i wanted to see how long it would take |
| 04:58.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: talk about an unexpected response |
| 04:58.27 | Duman | le sigh |
| 04:58.36 | Shirik | hey Duman |
| 04:58.42 | Shirik | was that you at Blizzcon? I couldn't figure it out |
| 04:58.46 | Shirik | and I couldn't read your nametag |
| 04:58.47 | Duman | yeah |
| 04:58.47 | Shirik | sorry ( |
| 04:58.48 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:59.00 | Duman | had a facebook shirt on today |
| 04:59.04 | Duman | had the mmoui one on yesterday |
| 04:59.17 | Duman | (well, and a starcraft one in he AM, before i got the mmoui one ;) ) |
| 04:59.57 | Shirik | I have too many mmoui shirts now :/ |
| 05:00.03 | Shirik | :D |
| 05:00.05 | Shirik | anyway I have to disappear |
| 05:00.07 | Shirik | I shall return |
| 05:00.26 | Shirik|AFK | :< |
| 05:00.31 | ScytheBlade1 | :> |
| 05:03.35 | Duman | hehe |
| 05:07.01 | NightHawkTheSane | testing what happens when you learn a new mounts is.. expensive and time consuming. |
| 05:07.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: it could be worse... you could have not seen any of them *and* it could be snowing where you're at right now |
| 05:07.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Like it is for me |
| 05:07.18 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: beta/PTR for you! |
| 05:07.27 | NightHawkTheSane | where are you anyway? |
| 05:07.30 | ScytheBlade1 | utah |
| 05:07.41 | ScytheBlade1 | This snow is about a month too early for my liking |
| 05:07.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: im on the beta, its still a pita running around to find a vendor with a mount i dont have. :P |
| 05:07.47 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:07.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay that makes sense |
| 05:07.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Copy over another character? |
| 05:07.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Or a premade? |
| 05:08.08 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, that'd take too long |
| 05:08.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Not really |
| 05:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | It'd probably be really really quick actually |
| 05:08.25 | ScytheBlade1 | "probably" |
| 05:08.30 | NightHawkTheSane | faster than the run from org to sen'jin? |
| 05:08.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Possibly, truth be told, considering you'd spawn in Dalaran with access to every major city |
| 05:08.55 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, i probably could check on the druid i copied over on murmur. but meh |
| 05:09.18 | NightHawkTheSane | well, most mount vendors arn't IN the major cities |
| 05:09.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, but they're usually right there |
| 05:09.34 | ScytheBlade1 | sen'jin is really the exception |
| 05:09.40 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, fucking trolls. |
| 05:09.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It's probably the furthest run |
| 05:09.56 | NightHawkTheSane | well, although.. bloodhoof village is a fair run from TB. |
| 05:10.11 | ScytheBlade1 | That totally depends on if you have slow fall or not |
| 05:10.32 | NightHawkTheSane | hahaha. touché |
| 05:10.48 | NightHawkTheSane | also, the raptors keep making their jump sound. its obnoxious. |
| 05:11.02 | NightHawkTheSane | and.. my feedback UI is gone? |
| 05:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 05:11.35 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
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| 05:26.14 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. |
| 05:28.40 | smcn | playing beta sucks without the feedback utility :( |
| 05:28.40 | smcn | it just feels so pointless |
| 05:28.40 | smcn | found at least 1 bug/typo in eveyr icecrown quest i did today and all i could do was put them in a word document |
| 05:29.17 | smcn | unrelated note, cultist researchers are the most annoying mobs in the game |
| 05:30.08 | Corrodias | outside of raids, i suppose |
| 05:30.13 | Corrodias | what do they do? |
| 05:30.26 | NightHawkTheSane | looks like StableBoy uses ~33kb of memory on login, +~2kb after options have been opened.. and something like +~10kb every time you learn a mount, but all that can be gc'd away |
| 05:42.25 | Syzgyn | lol NHTS |
| 05:42.37 | NightHawkTheSane | hm? |
| 05:42.42 | Syzgyn | my mod is running at about 500kb currently :P |
| 05:42.51 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 05:43.01 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i mostly said that out of minor sarcasm. :) |
| 05:43.40 | NightHawkTheSane | sometimes i'll sit and wonder "is x or y more efficiant" and lose sight of the fact that either way is only something like a few hundred bytes at best. |
| 05:43.46 | Syzgyn | heh yea |
| 05:44.04 | Syzgyn | The only reason mine is so big is because I have a long string for every addon/statistic in game |
| 05:44.10 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 05:44.36 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, all my stuff is just a few tables to store mounts, has a few strings, but mostly just numbers. |
| 05:44.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Almost all of my stuff is *really* small |
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| 05:44.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Smaller than your StableBoy |
| 05:45.11 | ScytheBlade1 | That may change once I sit down with the new secure header stuff though.. |
| 05:45.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: well, you're better than me. :) |
| 05:45.55 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: or all of mine do almost nothing :) |
| 05:46.01 | NightHawkTheSane | possibly :P |
| 05:46.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually I take that back |
| 05:46.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I have one addon that does something |
| 05:46.11 | ScytheBlade1 | And uses an incredible amount of memory |
| 05:46.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm sure i do some kinda dumb things, but *shrug* |
| 05:46.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Like 20MB |
| 05:46.25 | ScytheBlade1 | + |
| 05:46.35 | ScytheBlade1 | All it does is record unseen GUIDs |
| 05:46.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Taking a flight path over a leveling zone, I'll pick up probably 50 new GUIDs |
| 05:47.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That got to be a problem when I was AEing in Kara... as it would run it's stuff on every COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED, and I eventually turned it off |
| 05:47.38 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 05:47.55 | NightHawkTheSane | whats the point of that, out of curiosity? |
| 05:48.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It was back when we had just got them |
| 05:48.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Mass analysis for collisions, data we can pull of out it, etc |
| 05:49.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Fun fact: player GUIDs are only server-unique, not globally-unique. |
| 05:51.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh |
| 05:51.36 | NightHawkTheSane | interesting |
| 05:51.48 | NightHawkTheSane | so.. you could get GUID collisions in bgs? |
| 05:51.55 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 05:52.04 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 05:52.07 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 05:52.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd say you made my brain hurt, but it already does from not having dinner. |
| 05:52.38 | ScytheBlade1 | It's actually pretty simple once you think about it a bit |
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| 05:52.46 | TC-Laptop | moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 05:52.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Hint: servers have IDs too |
| 05:53.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i seeeeee |
| 05:53.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Make sense now? :) |
| 05:53.34 | TC-Laptop | mmmmm....i has pictures |
| 05:53.35 | NightHawkTheSane | yes :P |
| 05:53.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i probably would have thought of that if i wasn |
| 05:53.47 | NightHawkTheSane | wasn't so loopy right this moment. |
| 05:53.49 | NightHawkTheSane | TC-Laptop: share? |
| 05:54.09 | TC-Laptop | i havent converted/uploded them yet |
| 05:54.21 | TC-Laptop | however, it includes new ass pics |
| 05:54.29 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:55.00 | NightHawkTheSane | so on an unrelated note, the tanking meta gems in wrath look neat. |
| 05:55.26 | TC-Laptop | gems in D3 is even better! |
| 05:55.35 | ScytheBlade1 | On yet another unrelated note |
| 05:55.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Sleep! |
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| 06:13.29 | Corrodias | okay. okay |
| 06:13.31 | Corrodias | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1223791353062.png |
| 06:13.38 | Corrodias | this is 3 ways of awesome right there |
| 06:14.22 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. +5 awesome, -1 juvenille, -10 4chan. |
| 06:20.50 | Corrodias | a rule 34 thread, http://img.4chan.org/b/res/90499007.html |
| 06:20.56 | Corrodias | check your sanity at the door |
| 06:21.26 | Corrodias | i may be nauseous |
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| 07:04.37 | Shirik|Ecole | rawr |
| 07:07.54 | Shirik|Ecole | seems like everyone's asleep :< |
| 07:07.58 | Shirik|Ecole | oh well, guess I have to go to sleep too |
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| 07:23.35 | End | what the crap |
| 07:23.53 | End | I guess heroic training dummies tuned for level 80 or something |
| 07:24.23 | End | oh well, mr level 60 will do just as good hopefully |
| 07:28.21 | Shirik|Ecole | hehe |
| 07:28.26 | Shirik|Ecole | what's wrong? Glancing blows? |
| 07:30.26 | End | caster |
| 07:30.30 | End | but no |
| 07:30.33 | Shirik|Ecole | resists? |
| 07:30.34 | End | crazy misses |
| 07:30.45 | End | they actually describe them as misses actually |
| 07:30.51 | End | instead of resists |
| 07:32.56 | ZorbaGama | yeah, they added that so that hopefully people would realize how useful spell hit was |
| 07:33.19 | End | yeah |
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| 08:45.40 | Guest856 | hey can anyone help me with an issue i'm having with the khaos addons? |
| 08:46.04 | cladhaire | we can try, whats up? |
| 08:47.11 | Guest856 | When I target something, it'll display both the health percentage and the amount of hitpoints the target has. When it does that, the text on their health/mana bars will be layed on top of eachother and i can't read it. Sorry i can't describe it better, but does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 08:48.00 | cladhaire | You should look into the options of archaeologist of whichever addon that is, and tweak the options |
| 08:48.36 | Guest856 | i wasn't able to find a place to tweak it in the khaos configure... it's under archaeologist? |
| 08:48.45 | cladhaire | thats the main unit frame addon in Chaos |
| 08:48.47 | cladhaire | err |
| 08:48.48 | cladhaire | Cosmos |
| 08:49.41 | Guest856 | lemme try again |
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| 08:50.18 | Guest856 | where do i find it? |
| 08:50.26 | cladhaire | I have no idea |
| 08:50.32 | cladhaire | you'll need to open the options screen for Cosmos |
| 08:50.39 | cladhaire | and I dont know how that's organized these days |
| 08:50.48 | Guest856 | hahah is that the same thing as the khaos configure? |
| 08:50.55 | cladhaire | yes, it should be |
| 08:51.25 | Guest856 | hmmm not seeing anything to edit it there :( |
| 08:51.36 | cladhaire | well, basically you can't have both options on |
| 08:51.40 | cladhaire | it makes the text string too long |
| 08:51.42 | cladhaire | which is to be expected |
| 08:51.45 | cladhaire | so you should disable one of the two |
| 08:51.50 | cladhaire | likely the hit points |
| 08:51.55 | cladhaire | considering percentage is already shown by the status bar |
| 08:52.21 | cladhaire | you won't need an addon to show hit points in 3.X |
| 08:52.24 | Guest856 | would that be just in interface ? |
| 08:52.34 | cladhaire | no |
| 08:52.44 | cladhaire | well percentage might be |
| 08:52.48 | cladhaire | hit points isn't. |
| 08:52.50 | cladhaire | that's an addon |
| 08:53.10 | cladhaire | you just need to mess with the available unit frame options |
| 08:53.24 | Guest856 | theeeeeeeere we go :) |
| 08:53.27 | Guest856 | thank you for your help lol |
| 08:53.48 | cladhaire | no problem |
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| 09:29.02 | ZorbaGama | I don't suppose anyone knows a better way to detect that the player is in The Scarlet Enclave than GetRealZoneText() and compare the string? (ideally one a little less locale-sensitive) |
| 09:29.42 | Corrodias | DetectIfPlayerIsInTheScarletEnclave() |
| 09:30.00 | Corrodias | oh yeah, locales |
| 09:30.11 | Corrodias | DetectIfPlayerIsInLocalizeTheScarletEnclave() |
| 09:30.20 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:30.24 | Corrodias | short answer, no, i do not |
| 09:30.42 | amro | nope, you'd have to localize the function name Corrodias, and call _G[localizedName]() |
| 09:30.45 | nevcairiel | does scarlet enclave still get you a different map? or is it on the full EPL map now? |
| 09:31.20 | ZorbaGama | nev, as near as I can tell, it's a death-knight-only zone that occurs outside the main map |
| 09:31.31 | ZorbaGama | the game seems to consider it something along the same lines as a battleground map |
| 09:31.34 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 09:31.42 | cladhaire | Ghostcrawler is chatting in #mmo-champion on quakenet, and he's asking about class balance on beta for those who want to discuss it. |
| 09:31.56 | ZorbaGama | there's no way in or out, until you complete the death knight quest chain, and then it's a one-way exit |
| 09:32.07 | nevcairiel | you could set the map to the current zone and compare map file names |
| 09:32.21 | nevcairiel | thats locale independant |
| 09:32.29 | ZorbaGama | hmm, that's not a bad idea. I don't suppose you know the function name for get-map-filename offhand? (I'll go look it up if not) |
| 09:33.01 | ZorbaGama | aha, GetMapInfo() :) |
| 09:33.03 | nevcairiel | GetMapInfo |
| 09:33.06 | nevcairiel | doh :P |
| 09:33.24 | ZorbaGama | I found it faster than I'd expected ;) |
| 09:33.31 | Fisker- | if he's real cladhaire :P |
| 09:33.39 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: somehow i think thats not going to be productive, if thats really GC |
| 09:34.49 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: meh, it could be.. and its not unheard of |
| 09:34.52 | cladhaire | tho he shoudl have gone to EJ |
| 09:34.56 | cladhaire | not mmochampion :P |
| 09:34.59 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 09:35.09 | nevcairiel | mmo-c is full of QQing kiddys |
| 09:35.35 | nevcairiel | well |
| 09:35.37 | nevcairiel | whole quakenet is |
| 09:35.41 | nevcairiel | but thats another point |
| 09:35.42 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 09:35.43 | cladhaire | that it truth |
| 09:35.48 | Corrodias | hay, that's not nice |
| 09:36.00 | Corrodias | why, i know perfectly awesome people on quakenet |
| 09:36.02 | Corrodias | like me! |
| 09:36.10 | Fisker- | and me |
| 09:36.15 | Fisker- | and cladhaire to an extent |
| 09:36.21 | cladhaire | =) |
| 09:36.32 | Corrodias | i have been beered. |
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| 09:40.58 | ZorbaGama | awesome, looks like GetMapInfo() will work perfectly |
| 09:41.17 | Corrodias | told you |
| 09:42.04 | ZorbaGama | no you didn't, nevcairiel did ;) |
| 09:43.15 | Corrodias | nyaaaaa :P |
| 09:45.50 | cladhaire | although #mmo-champion does has 600 people, versus the 170 in EJ |
| 09:46.47 | cladhaire | although I'd hope quality would cost for somefin |
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| 09:53.12 | Corrodias | i have never played othello |
| 10:06.17 | Bibi` | wasn't him, I think |
| 10:06.18 | Bibi` | ^^ |
| 10:06.26 | cladhaire | yeah, that's what I was guessing |
| 10:06.45 | cladhaire | but its always worth the chance that it is |
| 10:06.59 | cladhaire | to at least look into it |
| 10:07.02 | cladhaire | plus Fisker- is hawt |
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| 10:47.04 | Nom- | LFM on US PVP PTR - going for Jenkins title |
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| 11:06.58 | mikma | Xinhuan: ping |
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| 11:18.49 | Xinhuan | mikma: pong |
| 11:18.56 | mikma | Xinhuan: still playing wow? |
| 11:19.15 | Xinhuan | what do you mean "still playing wow"? |
| 11:19.31 | mikma | aka. do you still actively maintain your addons in wowace? :D |
| 11:19.37 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 11:19.50 | mikma | ok, externals are funked in Routes |
| 11:19.51 | Xinhuan | which ones are you thinking of? |
| 11:20.02 | Xinhuan | where and how did you download it |
| 11:20.24 | nevcairiel | mikma: noone cares about externals anymore :) |
| 11:20.26 | mikma | svn co svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/routes/mainline/trunk Routes |
| 11:20.33 | mikma | nevcairiel: how come? |
| 11:20.43 | nevcairiel | they are not used for the zip creation anymore |
| 11:20.45 | Xinhuan | almost all svn:externals has been removed from wowace |
| 11:20.54 | nevcairiel | actually, they are still there :P |
| 11:20.58 | nevcairiel | mostly broken, though |
| 11:21.08 | Xinhuan | they are now specified to the zipscript via a different method involving a file called .pkgmeta |
| 11:21.31 | Xinhuan | so if you svn checkout, you won't get anymore externals (for the most part) |
| 11:21.31 | mikma | well, they are funked in Routes anyway :D |
| 11:21.48 | Xinhuan | because there is none so-to-speak |
| 11:21.50 | mikma | ok, so whats the "proper way" of getting wowace addons now? |
| 11:21.57 | Cide | don't? |
| 11:22.07 | mikma | Cide: aha aha! good one ;) |
| 11:22.10 | nevcairiel | download the zip of www.wowace.com or of curse.com :P |
| 11:22.13 | Cide | I'm funnay |
| 11:22.21 | mikma | yes, that was actually |
| 11:22.35 | Xinhuan | the proper way to get it is, via curse client, or via Curse or wowace website |
| 11:22.36 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowace.com/projects/routes/ |
| 11:22.55 | Xinhuan | i'm sorry, wowace merger into curse did this |
| 11:23.02 | mikma | ya i know |
| 11:23.11 | mikma | there's lots of people to blame, but you are not one :) |
| 11:23.39 | Xinhuan | in any case routes hasn't received any commit since june i think, its just been working forever ;p |
| 11:23.43 | mikma | so basicly, don't use svn to get wowace addons anymore? |
| 11:23.55 | Xinhuan | you can, but you will need to handle any externals yourself manually |
| 11:24.11 | mikma | there goes my easy update :( |
| 11:24.17 | nevcairiel | or bug the authors to fix the externals :P |
| 11:24.27 | mikma | Xinhuan: fix them externals, nowz! |
| 11:24.30 | mikma | kekeke |
| 11:24.42 | Xinhuan | that's not even possible for some cases |
| 11:25.00 | nevcairiel | only one lib i know uses git, so chopchop :P |
| 11:25.01 | mikma | curseace.com .. yeye |
| 11:25.02 | Xinhuan | since the .pkgmeta file allows you to specify externals from any of svn/hg/git repos |
| 11:25.14 | Xinhuan | but svn:externals only allows you to specify from... svn repos |
| 11:25.19 | Cide | hg? its name is MERCURY |
| 11:25.21 | Cide | aaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 11:26.09 | Industrial | hghghghghghghghg |
| 11:26.28 | mikma | i wouldn't use any wowace addons, but there are some that are needed when ie. leveling professions (gathering) |
| 11:26.43 | mikma | also, BadBoy and BasicChatMods are in wowace eventho they don't use any libs |
| 11:27.52 | mikma | hmm, routes and gatherer.. sounds good |
| 11:28.35 | Xinhuan | i'll suggest my addon called GatherMate over using Gatherer ;p |
| 11:29.02 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowace.com/projects/gathermate/ |
| 11:29.13 | mikma | i'm already using it |
| 11:30.00 | mikma | but i'm too damn lazy when it comes to updating addons manually ;) i'll rather get addons from svn/git and let update.sh handle the rest hehe |
| 11:30.30 | Xinhuan | nevcairiel, have you done your lod changes script yet? |
| 11:30.35 | nevcairiel | no |
| 11:30.46 | nevcairiel | I'm waiting for ckk to take down repo for a while =P |
| 11:30.56 | Xinhuan | because...? |
| 11:31.07 | nevcairiel | because i dont want 50 commits in my channel =( |
| 11:31.30 | nevcairiel | well 44 |
| 11:31.32 | nevcairiel | but still :P |
| 11:31.38 | mikma | go ahead |
| 11:31.39 | mikma | i dare you |
| 11:32.05 | nevcairiel | it would probably flood out anyway |
| 11:32.20 | Xinhuan | if repo floods out, its poorly coded ;p |
| 11:32.35 | Xinhuan | it'll be a good test of bot anti-flood protection! |
| 11:32.50 | Nom- | weeee... can't wait for patch day now |
| 11:33.27 | vithos | you could just add a ban in the channels while you do it; you can't send privmsgs to channels you're banned from, even if you're still in the channel |
| 11:33.29 | mikma | Nom-: why's that? |
| 11:33.32 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: did you look over the list of libs? |
| 11:33.37 | Nom- | ret pallies are good, that's why :) |
| 11:33.49 | mikma | this is 3.0.x? |
| 11:33.50 | nevcairiel | vithos: i dont have ban access to one of the chans =P |
| 11:33.50 | Xinhuan | i didn't specifically analyse the list, merely glanced at it for 2 seconds |
| 11:33.53 | Nom- | Yes |
| 11:34.06 | mikma | whee! then my palaleveling won't be useless :D |
| 11:34.11 | Nom- | Been on the PTR... pulling 1600+ dps everywhere |
| 11:34.35 | Nom- | outdpsing all the others in the group (but they were well undergeared) |
| 11:35.00 | Nom- | I'm there in S2/S3/Kara/SSC/TK gear mixture, and they're in blues |
| 11:35.03 | Nom- | 900 dps vs 1600 dps |
| 11:35.56 | Xinhuan | am i supposed to look at the list of libs nevcairiel? |
| 11:36.03 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 11:36.11 | nevcairiel | just wondering if you maybe noticed something :P |
| 11:36.14 | mikma | so how usefull are enhancement shamans in wotlk? haven't played beta much :O |
| 11:37.50 | Nom- | very |
| 11:38.02 | Nom- | windfury is a nice haste buff now |
| 11:39.14 | mikma | hmm nice |
| 11:40.08 | Nom- | Now I just gotta find a guild to join ... i want to see the bits of BT i missed as well as get into Sunwell if I can |
| 11:40.13 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: yeah the bot does suck :P |
| 11:44.15 | sb | giev patch already :/ |
| 11:45.06 | mikma | sb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nicoderm.JPG there |
| 11:45.49 | sb | err thanks, but i dont smoke :/ |
| 11:47.02 | mikma | sb: good :) |
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| 11:50.42 | mikma | http://www.lootables.com/ that's really nice site for ie. gathering guides |
| 11:50.49 | mikma | and no, i don't own it :D |
| 11:52.30 | Fisker- | :( |
| 11:52.57 | mikma | and, you owned yourself. |
| 11:53.06 | mikma | that's the most important thing here |
| 11:54.16 | Fisker- | i am going to hate you though |
| 11:54.19 | Fisker- | bbl >:E |
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| 13:07.26 | Dracusorul` | Anyone online? |
| 13:07.48 | molgar | online? |
| 13:08.59 | Dracusorul` | need some helping what addon is screwing up my char interface.... i`m getting this for a long time now... even when i switch aspect... my ap is the same.... |
| 13:09.09 | Dracusorul` | and dunno what addon is causing this problem |
| 13:09.49 | molgar | hmm, well i gess the best way is to disable all, and turn on 3-5 on a time |
| 13:10.15 | Dracusorul` | well i`ve done that and it doesnt happen .... but dunno after a while i get this... its total random... |
| 13:10.22 | molgar | if u dont get any error i think it might be hard anotherway |
| 13:10.42 | molgar | hmm, that sounds rly strange indeed |
| 13:10.58 | Dracusorul` | ya.. but i`m sick to delete the WTF folder in order to resolve the problem |
| 13:11.16 | molgar | just make a backup |
| 13:11.25 | Mikk | yeah but ummm |
| 13:11.28 | Mikk | when the problems DOES occur |
| 13:11.39 | Dracusorul` | its random .... |
| 13:11.44 | Mikk | if it's started happening, does it keeping happening if you relog? |
| 13:11.59 | Dracusorul` | ya i get the same stats even if a relog |
| 13:12.06 | Dracusorul` | i change aspect and nothing happends |
| 13:12.12 | Dracusorul` | *aspects |
| 13:12.15 | Mikk | when it's started happening, start disabling addons |
| 13:12.22 | Mikk | until it stops happening |
| 13:12.27 | Mikk | then you'll know which addon is to blame |
| 13:12.30 | Dracusorul` | did that ... and nothing .... :| |
| 13:12.43 | Mikk | eh.. so if you disable ALL ADDONS, the problem still remains? |
| 13:12.48 | Dracusorul` | yah... :| |
| 13:12.50 | molgar | ??? u disabeled all addons and it still ocure ? |
| 13:12.58 | molgar | loool |
| 13:13.01 | Dracusorul` | talked whit a GM about it and it says its client side addon .... |
| 13:13.13 | Mikk | then i don't think you've disabled all addons |
| 13:13.24 | Nom- | No-one here but us chickens. |
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| 13:13.42 | Mikk | Nom-: that was laggy even for an aussie |
| 13:13.54 | Dracusorul` | seriously i disables ALL addons and when i log back in the game i got the same stats.. |
| 13:13.59 | molgar | try backup WTF folder to , and delete it before u start |
| 13:14.08 | Nom- | What was ? |
| 13:14.25 | Mikk | Nom-: your answer + disconnect, about 10 minutes late to the question |
| 13:14.30 | Mikk | Unless it was just a mischan |
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| 13:14.42 | Castigo | hey guys |
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| 13:14.51 | Nom- | 10 mins? |
| 13:14.54 | molgar | yo |
| 13:14.55 | Nom- | timestamps say 4 to me |
| 13:14.58 | Castigo | arrowmaster you there m8? |
| 13:14.58 | Nom- | 21:05 < Dracusorul`> Anyone online? |
| 13:15.00 | Nom- | 21:09 < Nom-> No-one here but us chickens. |
| 13:15.16 | Mikk | Heh.. that explains the disconnect |
| 13:15.23 | Mikk | There's 25 lines of chat between those 2 lines for me :P |
| 13:15.26 | Lukian | Dracusorul`, that's a GM's default response |
| 13:15.35 | Lukian | simply tell them it's a UI bug and not an addon issue |
| 13:15.57 | Nom- | Oh ... i see |
| 13:16.05 | Dracusorul` | Well he send me to ther forums and QQ there... :) |
| 13:16.26 | Mikk | Well.. then there's a second way |
| 13:16.32 | molgar | anyone have some experience with this function ? function Name_OnUpdate(self, elapsed) ?? |
| 13:16.47 | Dracusorul` | I got this problem for a LONG time now.. and the only addon i have are "Autoprofitx, Cartografer, OmniCC, Rating buster and stubby" |
| 13:16.49 | Mikk | When it happens: disable all addons, take a copy of the WTF folder, and then begin deleting parts of the WTF folder in a controlled fashion |
| 13:17.16 | Mikk | Until the problem disappears |
| 13:17.33 | Mikk | the WTF folder contains a lot of things... blizzard's own settings.. addon settings... stuff |
| 13:17.34 | Castigo | guys is there a way to "mirror" a frame ? |
| 13:17.39 | Mikk | Get intimate with it and learn what's what |
| 13:17.47 | Mikk | Castigo: copy or flip? |
| 13:17.59 | Castigo | flip on x axis |
| 13:18.01 | Mikk | no |
| 13:18.20 | Dracusorul` | WEll i can delete the my chars folder and reenter .. and see if its the same problem :) |
| 13:18.27 | foxlit | ultimately, telling end-users to debug code they didn't write by learning a programming language and an API is futile :) |
| 13:18.40 | Castigo | mikk and a way of making any texture growing right instead of left? |
| 13:18.52 | Mikk | Castigo: that's easy. anchor it TOPRIGHT instead of TOPLEFT |
| 13:18.54 | Castigo | (apart from texturecoord idd) |
| 13:19.01 | Castigo | ahhhhh ^^ |
| 13:19.50 | Arrowmaster | Castigo: need something? |
| 13:19.59 | cbreak | damn death knights... got attacked by one and now I dced... |
| 13:20.04 | Castigo | arrow mikk already answered it for me |
| 13:20.17 | Castigo | mikk and i can re-anchor a frame anytime by code i suppose yes? |
| 13:20.36 | Arrowmaster | yes, you need to clear all points on it first though |
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| 13:23.32 | Castigo | >< gonna be fun |
| 13:24.58 | Mikk | Castigo: yeah sure no problem |
| 13:25.38 | Castigo | not very much fun >< |
| 13:25.38 | Mikk | Castigo: http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#Region |
| 13:26.16 | Mikk | basically, MyFrame:ClearAllPoints(); MyFrame:SetPoint("TOPRIGHT", parentObject, "TOPRIGHT", -200, -100) if you want it relative to the topright of the parent |
| 13:26.41 | Mikk | or MyFrame:SetPoint("TOPRIGHT", parentObject, "TOPLEFT", 400, -100) |
| 13:26.49 | Castigo | yeh |
| 13:27.05 | Castigo | Dual-Talent spec is going live on beta realm? |
| 13:28.58 | Castigo | or as "future" feature? |
| 13:28.58 | Dracusorul` | its gonna be in WotLK :) |
| 13:29.33 | Castigo | yep but apparently not at release i suppose |
| 13:29.38 | Castigo | :( |
| 13:31.11 | Mikk | As if the game will be playable for the next month :P |
| 13:31.44 | Castigo | beta server doesn't look to me very much bugged |
| 13:31.48 | Castigo | just very much unstable |
| 13:32.02 | Mikk | I'm mostly thinking of balance being tossed out the window |
| 13:32.04 | foxlit | Is waagh the sound you make while playing waagh? |
| 13:32.27 | Mikk | No, the greenskins have declared WAAAAGH! on the dorfs :P |
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| 13:34.48 | Mikk | Well, my warhammer main is a dorf too |
| 13:34.55 | Mikk | But waaagh sounds so much better than warhammer |
| 13:35.14 | Castigo | mikk if it hasn't got tier6 it's worthless tho ^^ LOLZ |
| 13:35.26 | molgar | anyone have some experience with this function ? function ScrollingMessageFrameName_OnUpdate(self, elapsed) ? |
| 13:35.45 | Mikk | My wow dorf is my alt. It's teh gayelf druid that's got t6 :S |
| 13:35.59 | Arrowmaster | molgar: its a basic OnUpdate handler |
| 13:36.38 | molgar | yeah, but i cant get the elapsed to work propperly |
| 13:37.04 | Arrowmaster | probably because you are trying to do it weird |
| 13:37.15 | Arrowmaster | since you called it ScrollingMessageFrameName_OnUpdate |
| 13:37.29 | molgar | lol |
| 13:37.32 | Arrowmaster | are you creating the frame in XML? |
| 13:37.37 | molgar | yeh |
| 13:37.53 | Arrowmaster | and you have an <OnUpdate> section? |
| 13:38.18 | Castigo | when i do define an <Anchor> in the xml if relativeTo is not defined, the parser assumes NIL or UIParent ? |
| 13:38.27 | molgar | well, when i click the button i have this CsaAlertFrame_Update(); |
| 13:39.18 | foxlit | Castigo: neither |
| 13:39.19 | foxlit | Relative to the frame parent. |
| 13:39.26 | foxlit | Or, well, the widget parent. |
| 13:39.49 | foxlit | So texture anchor points are relative to their parent frame, frame anchor points are relative to the frame's parent, and so on |
| 13:39.59 | foxlit | If you don't have a parent... probably the screen. |
| 13:40.30 | mikma | anyone knows good stack/sort inventory -addon? |
| 13:40.43 | Castigo | mikma: OneBag? |
| 13:41.30 | mikma | afaik that one just shows everything in one big frame |
| 13:41.43 | mikma | i'm looking for an addon that stacks stuff and sorts them in some way |
| 13:42.01 | Hjalte | mikma: Bankstack or MrPlow |
| 13:43.17 | mikma | i dont know did wobin ever finish the new mrplow |
| 13:43.31 | Hjalte | mikma: Not sure. Bankstack works though. |
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| 13:58.33 | Castigo | btw so mechano-hog and mechano-chopper will be aviable for every1 not just the engineers? |
| 13:58.42 | nevcairiel | yea |
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| 14:02.06 | batrick | so how was blizzcon fellas |
| 14:02.17 | batrick | Shirik|zZz: ^ |
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| 14:02.18 | batrick | lol! |
| 14:03.18 | Kraps | apparently, you dont get updates if you turnoff the launcher |
| 14:03.44 | Kraps | that is sad... |
| 14:05.48 | Gnarfoz | true, but only because the launcher is responsible for updating the bg updater... |
| 14:07.36 | zenzelezz | wouldn't worry too much about it right now; the background downloader spent all night downloading 1000 MB for me, trying to get 70 MB actual data |
| 14:09.36 | nevcairiel | yeah something is broken about the torrent |
| 14:10.05 | Gnarfoz | yep, EU torrent has weirdness. |
| 14:10.10 | Gnarfoz | load it into a real torrent client and it works |
| 14:10.24 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. if you put the files in the right place afterwards, the blizz client will accept them as intact) |
| 14:11.13 | nevcairiel | probably the http seed broken and confuses the downloader |
| 14:14.28 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 14:14.48 | Fisker- | They're seeding the OSX torrent on the Windows one |
| 14:14.55 | Fisker- | capital /facepalm |
| 14:15.23 | Fisker- | I don't even know why they've been failing to fix it yet |
| 14:22.25 | batrick | so has there been any actual confirmation the patch is tues? |
| 14:22.40 | batrick | other than extrapolation based on the "end" of S4? |
| 14:24.33 | Castigo | uhm... anyone can tell me why DUI_XP_Lead::SetTexCoord(1, 0, 0, 1) is not flipping on x axis the texture ? |
| 14:24.57 | Castigo | (for a matter of fact) /script DUI_XP_Lead::SetTexCoord(1, 0, 0, 1) ain't doing anything at all |
| 14:25.05 | zenzelezz | batrick: some guildie quotes someone from Blizzcon as saying to "get your Naxx items before Tuesday", but I don't know the source |
| 14:25.31 | batrick | ya i really hope it's not the case... |
| 14:25.50 | batrick | we have an auction system in our nax... cloth shoulds hadn't dropped for a week and they did today |
| 14:25.55 | batrick | they went for 8.1kg |
| 14:26.03 | batrick | I stopped bidding against the guy at 8k |
| 14:26.19 | batrick | hadn't dropped for 5 weeks* |
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| 14:33.45 | Castigo | anyone? |
| 14:35.08 | Castigo | arromaster my love u there? |
| 14:35.13 | Castigo | arrowmaster that is |
| 14:36.08 | Gnarfoz | batrick: the other part of the confirmation is that Hallow's End start's on the 18th and the content for it is in the 3.0.2 patch, IIRC |
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| 14:36.29 | DARKGuy | omg |
| 14:36.29 | DARKGuy | http://www.ripten.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/wow-36box2-1.jpg |
| 14:36.56 | DARKGuy | true story: http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/10/wow-whore-has-36-accounts-raids-by-himself/ |
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| 14:37.42 | Castigo | darkguy i wonder how much does he pays per month of accounts tbh |
| 14:38.00 | DARKGuy | 5711 / 12 |
| 14:38.13 | DARKGuy | $475 |
| 14:38.15 | DARKGuy | omg. |
| 14:38.35 | Cide | that's nothing compared to what he paid for all those computers/monitors |
| 14:39.01 | DARKGuy | true that |
| 14:39.35 | batrick | cncfanatics: ouch... i guess that seals the deal then |
| 14:39.49 | batrick | err.... Gnarfoz |
| 14:40.04 | batrick | ill never finish my teir 3 QQQ |
| 14:40.22 | Gnarfoz | QQ =) |
| 14:40.47 | Xinhuan | ~seen iriel |
| 14:40.49 | purl | iriel <n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 3d 13h 43m 58s ago, saying: 'NightHawkTheSane: I dont know enough about hte underlying engine to assess it.. No PS3 for me (at this point)'. |
| 14:41.06 | Gnarfoz | DARKGuy: somehow, I find it weird that this ripten.com link is now making its rounds, when some days ago, a link to multiboxing.com forums was circulating, reporting the same thing. |
| 14:41.10 | batrick | maybe i shoulda spent the 9k to get it |
| 14:41.21 | batrick | mage teir 3 is all about the shoulders |
| 14:41.21 | DARKGuy | Gnarfoz, really? |
| 14:41.27 | DARKGuy | I never heard of this until now |
| 14:41.58 | Gnarfoz | DARKGuy: http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=14611 :) |
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| 14:42.24 | XTZGZoReX | Rawr. |
| 14:42.30 | Castigo | i am going slightly mental to flip horizontaly this panel >< |
| 14:43.17 | Castigo | can anyone tell me why /script DUI_XP_Lead::SetTexCoord(1, 1, 1, 1) doesn't do anything at all? |
| 14:44.37 | XTZGZoReX | Would anyone happen to know the path to the L70ETC song? |
| 14:45.11 | DARKGuy | I used to know it |
| 14:45.11 | DARKGuy | mm |
| 14:45.37 | DARKGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.12 | zenzelezz | Castigo: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:46.31 | Castigo | zenze flipping horizontally a frame (and it's texture) |
| 14:47.11 | XTZGZoReX | DARKGuy: Thanks |
| 14:47.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, actually |
| 14:47.20 | batrick | Gnarfoz: holy shit that is hard core |
| 14:47.22 | DARKGuy | XTZGZoReX, no prob :) |
| 14:47.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Castigo: because you have two :: there instead of one |
| 14:47.27 | batrick | 36 shamans WOOOW |
| 14:47.34 | DARKGuy | yeah :| |
| 14:48.05 | Gnarfoz | batrick: I'd feel honored to be steamrolled in AV by him. xD |
| 14:48.07 | batrick | he has 5 mice |
| 14:48.14 | batrick | err |
| 14:48.16 | batrick | 7 |
| 14:49.07 | batrick | whatd id really like to see is a guy 5 box and win arena tournaments just to see how blizz handles it |
| 14:49.07 | Castigo | scythe i blame the C++ expertise ^^ |
| 14:49.21 | ScytheBlade1 | That also means you likely have lua errors turned off |
| 14:49.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Turn them on ^^ |
| 14:51.24 | Nom- | 2 more sleeps to 3.0 |
| 14:51.27 | Nom- | woot |
| 14:53.16 | DARKGuy | WotLK 14th October? |
| 14:53.16 | DARKGuy | :O |
| 14:53.31 | zenzelezz | 3.0, not WotLK |
| 14:53.45 | DARKGuy | oh |
| 14:54.15 | cncfanatics | batrick: eh ? |
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| 14:57.02 | batrick | cncfanatics: sorry mis-tab :) |
| 15:02.52 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 15:03.00 | ScytheBlade1 | _now_ my alchemist just got a discovery |
| 15:03.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Super Rejuv Potion |
| 15:03.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Now that I won't ever make it ever again |
| 15:06.52 | nevcairiel | you wouldnt have made that thing before either |
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| 15:11.42 | Kraps | does aoe damage break sap? |
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| 15:11.59 | Castigo | yup |
| 15:12.04 | Kraps | thanks |
| 15:12.42 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: I would actually, we have a prot pally tank who loves to eat them like candy |
| 15:12.59 | Castigo | not sure on all classes kraps tho, i thinkmultishot from hunter doesn't for example *not sure* |
| 15:13.28 | Kraps | im asking about warrior tc |
| 15:13.48 | [SW]Dodge | Kraps: tc does |
| 15:13.57 | [SW]Dodge | same to druid swipe |
| 15:14.02 | [SW]Dodge | :( |
| 15:14.15 | Castigo | dodge i suppose that aswell any kind of "real" aoe does |
| 15:14.35 | Castigo | but aswell i am fairly sure that wirlwind and multishot doesn't |
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| 15:22.08 | Castigo | dodge actually pre 3.0 there were chances that tc didn't break it |
| 15:22.12 | Castigo | same for swipe |
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| 15:22.27 | vithos | multishot does. they *almost* made things like multishot not target CCed mobs, but then they couldn't manage to implement it and canceled it |
| 15:22.40 | ScytheBlade1 | No, it was said and done |
| 15:22.44 | ScytheBlade1 | They reverted that change |
| 15:23.10 | Castigo | did they? |
| 15:23.16 | ScytheBlade1 | They did |
| 15:23.17 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 15:23.24 | Castigo | bah then i gotta read patch notes better ^^ |
| 15:23.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Was never in the notes |
| 15:23.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It was only in place for part of 2.4 PTR |
| 15:23.48 | Castigo | was on the ptr patch notes for 2.4 |
| 15:23.59 | Castigo | didn't ever noticed they removed it |
| 15:28.09 | Cide | good revert |
| 15:28.16 | Cide | hunters need to l2p |
| 15:30.15 | Industrial | bad hunters* |
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| 15:34.44 | jaxdahl | i wonder if i can hit 40k raid buffed before the end of beta |
| 15:34.51 | jaxdahl | 38475 is my record |
| 15:35.28 | Industrial | hp? |
| 15:35.32 | jaxdahl | yes |
| 15:35.36 | Industrial | christ :P |
| 15:35.54 | jaxdahl | yeah it makes some things really easy like faerlina hard mode and maexxna |
| 15:36.41 | nevcairiel | we went through faerlina without killing adds with a default 26k tank or so |
| 15:36.51 | nevcairiel | probably some luck involved, but shrug =P |
| 15:37.06 | jaxdahl | how many healers? |
| 15:37.24 | nevcairiel | 2 iirc |
| 15:37.32 | nevcairiel | may have been 3, its been some time |
| 15:37.42 | jaxdahl | ohh... 10 man? |
| 15:37.54 | jaxdahl | this was in 25 man |
| 15:37.57 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 15:38.19 | nevcairiel | well she probably cant hit that much harder, or badluck instagibs you, hehe |
| 15:38.37 | [SW]Dodge | jaxdahl: 38k hp? what class? |
| 15:39.00 | Cide | priest. |
| 15:39.09 | [SW]Dodge | wtf |
| 15:39.12 | nevcairiel | cide is being funny again |
| 15:39.19 | Cide | funny? no |
| 15:39.24 | Cide | teaching people not to be gullible? yes |
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| 15:40.29 | Kraps | is it common for tanks to not like rogues? |
| 15:40.36 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 15:40.42 | Cide | only bad tanks |
| 15:40.50 | nevcairiel | or bad rogues |
| 15:41.07 | nevcairiel | i hate all rogues that stun the mob directly after pull so i cant get any rage whatsoever |
| 15:41.10 | Kraps | thats bullshit, Cide |
| 15:41.26 | Cide | nope |
| 15:41.33 | Kraps | at least wait for casters to get their mana back |
| 15:41.42 | Cide | what? |
| 15:41.54 | Industrial | im telling you take the one in the middle |
| 15:42.03 | Industrial | RED |
| 15:42.05 | Industrial | (:D?) |
| 15:42.07 | Dewin | I'm in a guild that tends to view all rogues with suspicion until they've proven themselves |
| 15:42.30 | Cide | I'm in a guild that tends to view all people with suspicion until they've proven themselves |
| 15:42.31 | Industrial | hows a rogue different from other meelee dps? |
| 15:42.34 | nevcairiel | we have like one good rogue right now, all others suck |
| 15:42.43 | Dewin | nev: That's exactly why. |
| 15:42.54 | nevcairiel | hope to kick some of them with wotlk |
| 15:42.54 | Cide | uh |
| 15:42.57 | Cide | what's different with rogues? |
| 15:42.59 | Cide | that's right |
| 15:43.00 | Cide | nothing |
| 15:43.02 | Cide | people in general suck |
| 15:43.11 | Dewin | Cide: There's something about the rogue class (and hunters as well) that tends to attract bad players |
| 15:43.19 | Cide | except that's bs |
| 15:43.44 | Dewin | It doesn't mean all rogues or all hunters suck |
| 15:43.48 | Cide | no shit |
| 15:43.54 | Cide | I'm not logically challenged |
| 15:44.04 | jaxdahl | [SW]Dodge, death knight |
| 15:44.15 | Fisker- | I'm in a guild |
| 15:44.21 | [SW]Dodge | ah wow, "protection"? |
| 15:44.27 | Cide | I'm in the band |
| 15:44.28 | jaxdahl | tank, yeah. |
| 15:44.37 | jaxdahl | i don't even have the stamina talents in blood/unholy picked up |
| 15:44.50 | jaxdahl | i'd be 40k easy with those |
| 15:44.59 | Dewin | With hunters, I don't know what it is. With rogues, I think it's the people who tend to play them for PVP and suddenly get into raiding with a 16 year old "I'm so good" attitude that make the class look bad. |
| 15:45.02 | Kraps | Cide, the TANK leads the group, not a smartass rogue |
| 15:45.11 | Cide | that has nothing to do with rogues in general |
| 15:45.15 | Cide | besides |
| 15:45.17 | Kraps | ive had 2 in 2 days |
| 15:45.17 | Cide | the leader leads the group |
| 15:45.30 | Cide | leader is not necessarily a tank |
| 15:45.37 | Cide | the leader is most certainly not the tank when I play, for I am a priest |
| 15:45.55 | Kraps | so healer leads? |
| 15:45.58 | nevcairiel | in 5 mans i usually let the tank lead, unless he totally sucks |
| 15:46.01 | Cide | yes? |
| 15:46.03 | nevcairiel | in raids, its different |
| 15:46.07 | Cide | I pull shit all the time |
| 15:46.08 | nevcairiel | there i do it =P |
| 15:46.40 | Cide | if you don't have mana |
| 15:46.45 | Cide | you're a bad healer |
| 15:47.04 | Cide | tanks could pull too, but they're always too slow |
| 15:47.15 | jaxdahl | i am a tank and i've been leading naxx raids |
| 15:47.18 | jaxdahl | i don't even use vent |
| 15:47.19 | nevcairiel | maybe your tanks are just bad :D |
| 15:47.26 | Kraps | i'm not gonna kill my healer cuz the rogue is in a rush |
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| 15:47.35 | Cide | you play with shitty rogues and shitty healers |
| 15:47.42 | Cide | no excuse to blame the rogue class |
| 15:47.46 | Cide | nevcairiel: nah |
| 15:48.05 | nevcairiel | when i tank on my warr, i usually pull fast enough =P |
| 15:48.05 | Dewin | In 5 mans it doesn't take a lot of skill to lead. You only have 4 sheeple to move around, and most are smart enough to not run past the tank. It's typically easiest for the tank, since they need to run in ahead of everyone else anyways. In 25 mans, individual pulls typically involve more strategy than 5 mans, so someone who's actually good at leading leads ;) |
| 15:48.20 | Kraps | its the people playing the rogue class |
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| 16:03.57 | Nom- | That's interesting... i've only got 870MB of installer tome, but the background downloader seems to think i've got over 1 GB |
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| 16:06.34 | Dracusorul` | well my launcher doesnt get any download data... :| |
| 16:07.20 | sb | EU downloader fails... |
| 16:09.28 | Nom- | hmmm |
| 16:09.46 | Nom- | somewhat concerning... there's supposedly 1.17GB of data, but i've still only got the one 800(ish) MB installer tome |
| 16:11.27 | Dewin | Nom-: There's 3 files |
| 16:11.38 | Nom- | Can anyone suggest which email address @ blizz I could send an email to regarding setting up a local content mirror for Blizz patches? |
| 16:12.04 | Dewin | D:\WoW\Updates\WoW-2.4.3-to-3.0.1-TBC-USMX-Update\Installer Tome 2.mpq |
| 16:12.04 | Dewin | D:\WoW\Updates\WoW-3.0.1-to-3.0.2-Update\wow-partial-1.MPQ |
| 16:12.04 | Dewin | D:\WoW\Updates\WoW-3.0.1-to-3.0.2-Update\wow-partial-2.MPQ |
| 16:12.14 | Dewin | (It wasn't worth pastebin for 3 lines) |
| 16:12.27 | Nom- | Odd.... i don't have tose other two files |
| 16:12.50 | Dewin | they're a *different* background download |
| 16:13.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Nom-: wait what? |
| 16:13.28 | Dewin | actually, the .torrent I have has all 3 |
| 16:14.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Nom-: oh, restart your launcher |
| 16:14.39 | Dewin | or use a real torrent program :) |
| 16:14.56 | Dewin | actually... yeah, the launcher restart would be required first to get the new .torrent |
| 16:15.05 | Nom- | oooo i wonder |
| 16:15.16 | Nom- | I know we still have some P2P caches lying around |
| 16:15.28 | Nom- | I might chat to the lads... see if we can't fire them up to cache only specific content |
| 16:15.47 | Nom- | There's legal issues caching all P2P, but if we can specifically add legit content... interesting... |
| 16:17.04 | Nom- | I need some smrt people who know about P2P caches >:) |
| 16:17.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Nom-: what do you want to do with a mirror? |
| 16:17.37 | Dewin | hmm... 3d printing. |
| 16:19.49 | Nom- | ScytheBlade1: Provide a local download location for our customers for all blizz patches |
| 16:20.10 | Nom- | So this, and all the other ones to come are not only fast, but also save costs for us |
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| 16:21.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Nom-: who do you work for? (now I'm just curious) |
| 16:21.46 | foxlit | Nefarious plan #234984: release a program that randomly participates in bittorrent swarms with background badwidth. |
| 16:22.15 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: old, and has been used.. which is why clients now track peers who send them bad data :) |
| 16:22.17 | Xinhuan | anyone knows the exact differences between RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE and PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED? |
| 16:22.38 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: I didn't say anything about bad data. |
| 16:22.49 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: oh, you mean just to kill bandwidth |
| 16:22.49 | Xinhuan | wikis say that they both fire when people join/leave/invite/decline party/raid invites, and when ppl get moved around in a raid |
| 16:22.52 | foxlit | Xinhuan: one fires on raid roster changes, other fires when your party changes |
| 16:22.55 | ScytheBlade1 | That is pretty evil |
| 16:23.08 | Xinhuan | foxlit: PMC also fires when in a raid, and yourparty isn't affected |
| 16:23.23 | foxlit | perhaps you just can't tell how your party was changed :) |
| 16:23.44 | foxlit | Kill is to strong a word - just use some amount to spped up random swarms. |
| 16:23.48 | foxlit | s/to/too/ |
| 16:24.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Nom-: honestly, the biggest problem with it is that the downloader's HTTP download is rate-limited at 128kB/sec client side. Though nothing is stopping you from firing up a torrent box and only allowing access from whatever IPs you own |
| 16:25.10 | p3lim | hm, why is there donation quests in TourGuide's horde guide? :s |
| 16:25.24 | foxlit | why not? |
| 16:25.29 | foxlit | They're basically free XP |
| 16:25.38 | foxlit | If you do them at the right level. |
| 16:26.02 | Dewin | I don't think the level even matters, I donated wool at 44 and still got a huge chunk of XP. |
| 16:27.49 | Nom- | Yeah, I was just thinking that |
| 16:28.08 | Nom- | We could provision a couple of virtual machines, only allow our IP ranges as places we'll send to |
| 16:28.17 | Nom- | And just add the .torrent as soon as we find it |
| 16:28.40 | foxlit | I thought the actual problem was that you couldn't get the clients to connect to anyone in particular without interfering. |
| 16:29.00 | Nom- | No guarantee the customers will use us for all the traffic, but hopefully if we're pushing it fast enough, the majority will |
| 16:29.08 | p3lim | silk at 37 |
| 16:29.09 | p3lim | hm |
| 16:29.29 | ScytheBlade1 | actually |
| 16:29.31 | ScytheBlade1 | PM me |
| 16:29.34 | foxlit | But how do you get only the local peers to notice you? |
| 16:29.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Nom-: PM me, I know a bit that could help you out :) |
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| 16:35.27 | Cide | hi Shirik|Ecole |
| 16:35.41 | Cide | pay my flight ticket next time, will you? |
| 16:35.53 | zenzelezz | and get us those pictures already |
| 16:39.34 | Shirik|Ecole | fools! |
| 16:39.43 | Shirik|Ecole | Ask me to pay for you and you shall perish like Cide! |
| 16:41.30 | Shirik|Ecole | but yeah, I have to develop the pictures |
| 16:41.35 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm sure Iriel will have them at some point |
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| 16:43.04 | Kraps | my bg d/l is stuck |
| 16:44.12 | Nom- | hmm still can't find those missing patch files... searched the whole HDD |
| 16:52.52 | Mike-N-Go | cladhaire: ping |
| 16:52.53 | Dewin | Nom-: Restart the launcher to get the newest background downloader .torrent, then rerun the background downloader |
| 16:53.17 | mikma | wotlk, old content and new instances. are there any? |
| 16:53.32 | Shirik|Ecole | there's a new coh |
| 16:53.35 | Shirik|Ecole | er, |
| 16:53.37 | Shirik|Ecole | cot |
| 16:53.40 | Nom- | Dewin: Done that... and it finished downloading :( |
| 16:53.41 | mikma | yeah, stratholme |
| 16:53.41 | cladhaire | Mike-N-Go: pong |
| 16:53.54 | Shirik|Ecole | and then obviously there's naxx |
| 16:53.59 | cladhaire | leaving in a second, but can try to answer your question quicly |
| 16:53.59 | Dewin | Nom-: Try opening the .torrent with a real torrent downloader? |
| 16:54.05 | mikma | i started it with my premade shaman, and let arthas continue the battle while i ran ;D |
| 16:54.09 | Dewin | aand... are you US? |
| 16:54.19 | Mike-N-Go | cladhaire: The blue text at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5108-Clique.html hurts my eyes. |
| 16:54.30 | cladhaire | so don't look at it? |
| 16:54.37 | nevcairiel | its true though |
| 16:54.40 | nevcairiel | hardly readable =P |
| 16:54.41 | Dewin | does that mean we can post bugs in the comments? |
| 16:54.45 | Mike-N-Go | As in, hard to read. |
| 16:54.48 | cladhaire | its perfectly reasonable for me |
| 16:54.57 | Dewin | it's terribad. |
| 16:55.01 | cladhaire | likely a template issue |
| 16:55.02 | Shirik|Ecole | actually that's kinda impossible for me to read too :/ |
| 16:55.06 | mikma | bah, i need to find something cool from the old content, like old if :( |
| 16:55.10 | Shirik|Ecole | I blame your mac |
| 16:55.14 | cladhaire | no |
| 16:55.14 | Dewin | It A) draws your eyes to it while B) hurting your eyes to read, at the same time. |
| 16:55.16 | Shirik|Ecole | silly mac users |
| 16:55.17 | mikma | too bad the dorks didn't add that one in |
| 16:55.20 | Mike-N-Go | cladhaire: I tell you this because others may find this true, too. |
| 16:55.20 | Shirik|Ecole | :P |
| 16:55.20 | nevcairiel | mikma: stormwind harbor? =P |
| 16:55.28 | cladhaire | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/020f233b852f5355acaec8c2b67f195c.png] |
| 16:55.36 | cladhaire | Anyone care to explain to me how that is hard to reaD? |
| 16:55.42 | cladhaire | or admit that its a template issue? |
| 16:55.50 | nevcairiel | no contrast |
| 16:55.54 | Dewin | that's bad too, though not as bad because the font is different |
| 16:55.54 | nevcairiel | to the grey |
| 16:55.59 | zenzelezz | bold, dark-blue on dark grey is not good on my eyes |
| 16:56.02 | mikma | nevcairiel: well kinda seen that, since it's on the way to new content |
| 16:56.04 | cladhaire | *shug* |
| 16:56.08 | Mike-N-Go | The color contrast, blue/gray. |
| 16:56.11 | cladhaire | im' going to the gym |
| 16:56.11 | Dewin | Use red ;) |
| 16:56.12 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.30 | cladhaire | thanks for the heads up |
| 16:56.42 | Shirik|Ecole | it's thicker to you than me actually, so that helps a little |
| 16:56.47 | Mike-N-Go | cladhaire: Think of it like this: Do you want us to be able to do what it says there? Some may have trouble reading it. |
| 16:56.55 | nevcairiel | mikma: well there is that new stuff in EPL for the DKs, but thats about it in the old world |
| 16:57.29 | nevcairiel | You know, people have been crying at me for the wowace color scheme being hard on their eyes |
| 16:57.35 | nevcairiel | black on some mild yellow |
| 16:57.37 | nevcairiel | comeone <.< |
| 16:57.49 | Shirik|Ecole | how |
| 16:57.53 | Shirik|Ecole | what? |
| 16:58.35 | nevcairiel | random thread: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=14343 -- do you think the color scheme lacks contrast or is hard to read? |
| 16:59.12 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: i'm not a huge fan of that pastey yellowish color, but it's certainly not hard to read. |
| 16:59.33 | Dewin | It's ugly, but perfectly readable. |
| 16:59.34 | NightHawkTheSane | the only thing that -may- be, is the bold yellow on dark blue headers |
| 16:59.54 | Dewin | that's perfectly readable as well |
| 17:00.07 | Dewin | it's the same colors actually, just flipped between bg and fg |
| 17:00.31 | Shirik|Ecole | I see no problem with it |
| 17:00.31 | nevcairiel | we've been using the colors for ever, shrug =P i told people to suggest new colors that make a good skin but i didnt get anything yet |
| 17:00.42 | Fisker- | hows blizzcon Shirik|Ecole ? |
| 17:00.47 | NightHawkTheSane | well, on my screen at least, the text size, combined with the bold style and antialiasing make it -slightly- harder to read than the black on yellow |
| 17:00.51 | Shirik|Ecole | <3 times |
| 17:01.05 | nevcairiel | I suppose you didnt get a chance to talk to a UI person? |
| 17:01.34 | Dewin | I know it's been asked here both by myself and by others but I've never actually seen an answer so... does anybody know of a good site that shows the available frame templates/etc, perhaps graphically? |
| 17:03.23 | Nom- | wtb lsof |
| 17:03.25 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 17:03.25 | Shirik|Ecole | I did nevcairiel, however you won't like the answer |
| 17:03.37 | nevcairiel | any answer is good for me |
| 17:03.47 | Shirik|Ecole | The answer eventually boiled down to "I'll ask later when it's a better time" |
| 17:03.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:03.57 | Shirik|Ecole | he couldn't really say either way at the time |
| 17:03.58 | Dewin | what was the question? |
| 17:04.04 | nevcairiel | as long as we get a blue response on the forums now |
| 17:04.17 | Shirik|Ecole | "It sounds like something that needs looking into before it can be answered" |
| 17:05.08 | nevcairiel | who did you talk to? |
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| 17:05.29 | Shirik|Ecole | zoot |
| 17:05.48 | Fisker- | did you tell them to make signups? >:3 |
| 17:05.49 | nevcairiel | well atleast he knows about it now |
| 17:06.10 | Nom- | ahah! |
| 17:06.11 | Nom- | Found it! |
| 17:06.14 | Nom- | C:\Users\Public\Documents\Blizzard Entertainment\World of Warcraft\Updates\WoW-3.0.1-to-3.0.2-Update |
| 17:06.20 | Nom- | What a lame place to put it |
| 17:06.34 | nevcairiel | i knew it was there |
| 17:06.36 | zenzelezz | same place they always go from the background downloader |
| 17:06.36 | nevcairiel | you shouldve asked |
| 17:06.39 | Duman | holy crap... UI forum getting hellaspamed by a keylogger |
| 17:06.43 | Duman | bumping evey post |
| 17:06.45 | Duman | how useful |
| 17:06.50 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:07.00 | Shirik|Ecole | if you bump every post |
| 17:07.04 | Shirik|Ecole | doesn't that affect nothing? |
| 17:07.16 | Shirik|Ecole | or is it in random order? |
| 17:07.16 | nevcairiel | except that you have that keylogger in every thread |
| 17:07.19 | Shirik|Ecole | true |
| 17:07.25 | nevcairiel | looks funny though |
| 17:07.28 | nevcairiel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11114&sid=1 |
| 17:07.36 | Nom- | zenzelezz: That's odd... I've also got one of those files (installer tome) in my WoW install location... |
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| 17:07.57 | nevcairiel | yeah -3.0.1 preload is Installer Tome2 |
| 17:08.15 | nevcairiel | the other is patch to 3.0.2 |
| 17:08.18 | p3lim | clad|gym: ping |
| 17:08.44 | Shirik|Ecole | is it sex leg? |
| 17:08.55 | zenzelezz | Nom-: I assume that *was* your WoW install location |
| 17:08.57 | zenzelezz | *assumed |
| 17:09.10 | nevcairiel | some random string |
| 17:09.25 | nevcairiel | "That's a good idea" |
| 17:09.27 | nevcairiel | + URL |
| 17:09.39 | nevcairiel | "Just Wonderful" + URL |
| 17:09.43 | nevcairiel | funny :P |
| 17:10.01 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 17:10.09 | Shirik|Ecole | the one I looked at said "I have a surprise for you" |
| 17:10.15 | nevcairiel | oh yeah that too |
| 17:10.25 | Nom- | zenzelezz: No, it's not... who in their right mind would install WoW there? :P |
| 17:10.34 | Nom- | Not to suggest I'm in my right mind |
| 17:10.45 | Shirik|Ecole | ok I need to take a shower before leaving |
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| 17:17.18 | Mike-N-Go | I have looked around wowinterface.com, yet have not found what I am looking for: How do I create a portal as an author? |
| 17:17.50 | foxlit | There's a button to enable it somewhere |
| 17:18.14 | Dewin | One sec. |
| 17:18.41 | Dewin | I found it the other day >.> |
| 17:19.16 | Dewin | Community tab |
| 17:19.25 | Dewin | Welcome back "yourusername" >> Enable Portal |
| 17:20.28 | Mike-N-Go | Thank you. |
| 17:20.45 | Mike-N-Go | Also, is there a tutorial on how to use said portal? |
| 17:22.22 | Mike-N-Go | I wish I would have found how to do this years ago.. I could have used it for bug/request feedback. |
| 17:22.41 | Dewin | That I don't know, since I don't use mine :) |
| 17:22.56 | Dewin | Not until Progression becomes a Real Addon and not just a nub project ;) |
| 17:23.14 | Mike-N-Go | Oh? Do you use a different system to keep track or said feedback? |
| 17:23.34 | Dewin | I use comments, which I have a whopping 2 of :) |
| 17:23.35 | foxlit | file comments work unless you're completely swamped |
| 17:23.44 | foxlit | And WoWI tends to be relatively quiet |
| 17:23.56 | Dewin | and your "My Addons" tab shows your recent comments |
| 17:24.46 | Dewin | still WTB decent templates >.> |
| 17:25.01 | foxlit | templates? |
| 17:25.06 | Dewin | for frames. |
| 17:25.12 | foxlit | mm, which frames? |
| 17:25.20 | Dewin | I want a plain old checkbox that looks like all the other checkboxes, a plain old button that looks like all the other buttons, etc. :) |
| 17:25.33 | Dewin | I know I can create a checkbutton, but then there's all the texturing |
| 17:25.40 | foxlit | Inherit it |
| 17:25.43 | Dewin | From where? |
| 17:25.47 | Dewin | Is what I'm trying to figure out |
| 17:25.49 | foxlit | sec, I can dig that up |
| 17:25.57 | foxlit | generally, PanelTemplates or OptiosnTemplates |
| 17:26.34 | Dewin | I am underwhelmed by WoW UI designer so I'm dumping all the XML it generated and writing it myself in lua |
| 17:26.36 | foxlit | checkbox is "InterfaceOptionsCheckButtonTemplate" |
| 17:27.08 | Dewin | do you have a good source or is this just framexml diving? |
| 17:27.32 | foxlit | buttons are "UIPanelButtonTemplate" |
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| 17:27.55 | Dewin | because I have a bajillion elements and don't want to ask you for all of them ;) |
| 17:27.56 | foxlit | Years of plagi--- research. |
| 17:28.05 | Dewin | Did you steal from one addon or multiple addons? |
| 17:28.08 | Dewin | If the latter, it's research. :-p |
| 17:28.59 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNC-aj76zI4 :) |
| 17:29.05 | foxlit | Ignore the video. |
| 17:29.13 | foxlit | But the song is awesome |
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| 17:48.24 | Dewin | bah, my regexp-fu fails today. |
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| 17:54.12 | vithos | yay, finished my first python program. automatically splits wow combatlogs based on silence time between events, then 7zips them: http://pastey.net/98095 |
| 17:54.31 | nevcairiel | oh that sounds useful |
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| 17:56.20 | Lukian | kinda scary you are using python on windows :p |
| 17:56.31 | zenzelezz | why? |
| 17:56.58 | Lukian | It seems more natural under linux :D |
| 17:57.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: poke |
| 17:57.14 | zenzelezz | unless you're going for a compiled executable, python's as good as any |
| 17:57.25 | Xinhuan | poke |
| 17:57.38 | ScytheBlade1 | What are the plans for Omen3 come tuesday? |
| 17:57.48 | Xinhuan | it should be usable |
| 17:57.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Download sites? |
| 17:58.01 | ScytheBlade1 | (That's what I was going after) |
| 17:58.20 | Xinhuan | wowace and curse gets them automatically, so i only need to arrange for it on wowi and uiwow |
| 17:58.37 | ScytheBlade1 | But that's planned to have it everywhere, yeah? |
| 17:58.58 | Xinhuan | won't be difficult |
| 17:59.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough, and awesome |
| 17:59.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Second |
| 17:59.17 | vithos | Lukian: so what, you're saying i should have used visual basic? :P |
| 17:59.17 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/98096 |
| 17:59.25 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 17:59.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Is that the proper git url? |
| 18:00.06 | Xinhuan | no |
| 18:00.17 | Xinhuan | replace omen with omen-threat-meter in that path |
| 18:00.22 | Xinhuan | and you'll have the right URL |
| 18:00.32 | Lukian | vithos, yes! :D |
| 18:00.45 | ScytheBlade1 | warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. |
| 18:01.01 | Xinhuan | sigh let me lookup |
| 18:01.17 | zenzelezz | let's not be silly, he meant you should have used Windows Scripting Host |
| 18:01.24 | Xinhuan | [remote "origin"] |
| 18:01.25 | Xinhuan | url = git@git.wowace.com:wow/omen-threat-meter/wrath.git |
| 18:01.25 | Xinhuan | fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/* |
| 18:01.28 | Xinhuan | you figure the rest |
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| 18:01.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:01.37 | ScytheBlade1 | thanks |
| 18:01.50 | Xinhuan | copied that from .config |
| 18:01.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 18:02.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I was using http:// |
| 18:02.03 | ScytheBlade1 | git:// works |
| 18:02.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaeltean need to fix the HTTP side then |
| 18:02.15 | Xinhuan | probably |
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| 18:07.24 | mikma | anyone here has experience with simplehtml inside wow? |
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| 18:09.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: LSM:Register("sound", "Fel Nova", [[Sound\Spells\SeepingGaseous_Fel_Nova.wav]]) |
| 18:10.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I could kill you for that |
| 18:10.51 | Xinhuan | i copied that whole Register chunk from omen2 |
| 18:10.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I can tel |
| 18:11.00 | ScytheBlade1 | *tell |
| 18:11.10 | ScytheBlade1 | The Fel Nova sound is the default and it is default enabled |
| 18:11.13 | ScytheBlade1 | And it makes people cry |
| 18:11.23 | NightHawkTheSane | I think that's the point. it's a sick joke, imo. :P |
| 18:11.24 | Xinhuan | it catches people's attention - about pulling aggro |
| 18:11.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh it totally does |
| 18:11.33 | zenzelezz | default sound for what? |
| 18:11.33 | Xinhuan | very clearly and audibly |
| 18:11.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Reaching a high threat threshold |
| 18:12.02 | Xinhuan | i'm probbaly deleting half of those registered sounds as it is |
| 18:12.07 | Xinhuan | rubby ducky for eg |
| 18:12.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:12.12 | vithos | i use a text-to-speech wav that says "threat" |
| 18:12.21 | nevcairiel | rubby ducky is awesome! |
| 18:12.36 | nevcairiel | vithos: like the "aggro" voide in banzai? |
| 18:12.42 | Xinhuan | does anyone actually use rubby ducky |
| 18:12.48 | nevcairiel | *voice |
| 18:12.49 | Xinhuan | as their threat warning ;p |
| 18:13.29 | vithos | nevcairiel: heh yeah, except i went with a male voice for 'threat' since i also use the female voice for 'aggro' |
| 18:14.08 | vithos | Xinhuan: doesn't it have a bunch of annoying unrelated sounds after the rubber ducky sound? |
| 18:14.25 | Xinhuan | its like a 6 sec wav file |
| 18:14.34 | vithos | hmm. must be thinking of another one |
| 18:14.48 | vithos | there's one sound that i always think "i'd probably use that" |
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| 18:19.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ok, basic logic question: (a and b) or (a and c) == a and (b or c), right? |
| 18:20.22 | Dewin | yes. |
| 18:20.22 | zenzelezz | you should make Naj'entus' "I've had enough of this; die, DIE!" the default threat warning sound |
| 18:20.46 | Dewin | Hmm. That's unfortunate. |
| 18:20.59 | Dewin | PHP's XML processor has no way to tell me what line a given element is defined on |
| 18:21.18 | NightHawkTheSane | php's xml methods make me kinda cry. |
| 18:21.34 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: I'm actually using the DOM XML methods, not the arbitrary PHP ones |
| 18:22.04 | Dewin | I'm throwing something together that writes a quick catalog of FrameXML elements |
| 18:22.25 | Dewin | but I'd love to be able to output what line of the XML a given element occurs at |
| 18:23.49 | Dewin | ah well |
| 18:23.56 | Dewin | file will have to be good enough for now |
| 18:26.11 | foxlit | Ahem |
| 18:26.13 | foxlit | Do it in Lua. |
| 18:27.35 | Dewin | why would I use lua over PHP when I know far more PHP than lua and don't want to spend a lot of time on this? |
| 18:28.24 | Xinhuan | is anyone online on beta right now |
| 18:28.29 | Xinhuan | with a death knight |
| 18:28.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: i could be, what did you need? |
| 18:29.02 | Xinhuan | i need to know if Blood Presence is a buff or a form/stance |
| 18:29.17 | Slackwise | Presences are stances. |
| 18:29.34 | Xinhuan | what return value will match Blood Presence then? |
| 18:29.44 | Xinhuan | for GetShapeshiftForm() |
| 18:30.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: blood is 1, frost is 2, unholy is 3 |
| 18:31.02 | Xinhuan | is that consistent? |
| 18:31.08 | NightHawkTheSane | The return from GetShapeshiftFormInfo(1) on a DK is: [11:30:52]"Interface\\Icons\\Spell_Deathknight_BloodPresence", "Blood Presence", nil, 1 |
| 18:31.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: assuming a DK learns every spell as soon as he is able to, yes. I'm not sure if that changes if a DK is an idiot and doesn't learn frost presence until after unholy. But blood should always be 1 |
| 18:33.02 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: i used to assume stuff like that, but turns out druids learned their forms in totally random orders sometimes <.< |
| 18:34.11 | Xinhuan | what was your solution to that nevcairiel? |
| 18:34.14 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: well, its -slightly- more understandable for druids, as they have significantly more forms, and quests to get some of them. DK presences are all trainer abilities at the appropriate level. But your point is taken. :P |
| 18:34.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: if you're looking for which index corresponds to a particular presence, you could check 1-3 and compare the icon path.. |
| 18:35.05 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: i dont support forms that have no stance support by blizzard, thus i can use [bonusbar:] :) |
| 18:35.11 | Xinhuan | i just need a RELIABLE method to determine if a death knight has frost presence active |
| 18:35.52 | nevcairiel | just iterate over GetShapeshiftFormInfo() and search the index of frost presence by matching names |
| 18:36.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: GetShapeshiftInfo(GetShapeshiftForm()) == "Interface\\Icons\\Spell_Deathknight_FrostPresence" |
| 18:36.09 | nevcairiel | although i didnt even know the presence's worked as stances |
| 18:36.21 | Xinhuan | can you check if UnitAura("player", "Blood Presence")) works? |
| 18:36.44 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: on druids the texture of the currently active stance changes to some "active" icon, not sure if thats true for other classes =P |
| 18:36.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: it does not |
| 18:37.09 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: it's not for dks, as far a i can tell |
| 18:37.09 | Xinhuan | Frost Presence |
| 18:37.11 | Xinhuan | not blood |
| 18:37.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: its going to be the same for both :P |
| 18:38.10 | Xinhuan | i'm quite sure the icon for bear form and dire bear form is different |
| 18:38.26 | nevcairiel | its not |
| 18:38.30 | Xinhuan | it isn't? |
| 18:38.46 | nevcairiel | just check GetBonusBarOffset |
| 18:38.50 | nevcairiel | or how the func is caleld |
| 18:39.05 | Xinhuan | i can't check anything, i don't have a death knight |
| 18:39.12 | NightHawkTheSane | In any case, if you didn't want to use the icon texture, you can use the second return from GetShapeshiftFormInfo() which is the name, but that's probably localized. |
| 18:39.40 | nevcairiel | GetBonusBarOffset == 3 for Bear |
| 18:40.19 | NightHawkTheSane | that won't work for DKs, as changing presences doesn't change action bars. |
| 18:40.45 | nevcairiel | Just match the textures on GetShapeshiftFormInfo |
| 18:40.45 | Xinhuan | so GetBonusBarOffset() == 3 would always work to assume a druid is in bear form? |
| 18:40.50 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 18:41.04 | nevcairiel | DKs do appear to not change their texture if a presence is active |
| 18:41.06 | nevcairiel | so it works |
| 18:41.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i believe i already said that. >.> |
| 18:41.28 | nevcairiel | i dont trust anyone! |
| 18:41.33 | Xinhuan | i'm lost |
| 18:41.40 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: its 2 for warrior defensive stance, btw |
| 18:42.03 | nevcairiel | (20:35:57) (NightHawkTheSane) Xinhuan: GetShapeshiftInfo(GetShapeshiftForm()) == "Interface\\Icons\\Spell_Deathknight_FrostPresence" |
| 18:42.05 | nevcairiel | do that |
| 18:42.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 18:42.47 | NightHawkTheSane | unless they give frost presence a new icon in a patch, that will return true if the DK is in frost, false otherwise. |
| 18:43.22 | Xinhuan | (pClass == "WARRIOR" and GetBonusBarOffset() == 2 or pClass == "DRUID" and GetBonusBarOffset() == 3 or pClass == "PALADIN" and UnitAura("player", "Righteous Fury") or pClass == "DEATHKNIGHT" and GetShapeshiftInfo(GetShapeshiftForm()) == "Interface\\Icons\\Spell_Deathknight_FrostPresence") |
| 18:43.40 | Xinhuan | that's pretty long to see if someone is tanking ~_~ |
| 18:43.51 | nevcairiel | wonder if operator precedence doesnt bite you there |
| 18:43.55 | nevcairiel | i would use more bracers |
| 18:43.56 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 18:44.04 | Xinhuan | and has higher priority than or |
| 18:44.09 | NightHawkTheSane | s/bracers/parentheses/ but yeah |
| 18:44.32 | nevcairiel | i never like mixing "and" and "or" in one big logic statement without parentheses :P |
| 18:44.36 | Xinhuan | as a consequence, i rarely use () |
| 18:44.43 | Xinhuan | because its deep in my brain AND > OR |
| 18:44.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i loves me some parens. |
| 18:45.21 | Xinhuan | i'm not even sure if adding () adds additional code into lua |
| 18:45.40 | cladhaire | no, they're stripped |
| 18:45.43 | NightHawkTheSane | probably doesn't. |
| 18:45.54 | cladhaire | (true and not |
| 18:45.57 | cladhaire | nvm |
| 18:45.58 | NightHawkTheSane | but it sure makes it nicely readable to some of us. :) |
| 18:45.58 | Xinhuan | since () does trim a list of values down to the first value |
| 18:45.59 | cladhaire | they don't :P |
| 18:46.14 | nevcairiel | its just my brain that likes to seperate or from and |
| 18:50.37 | Kraps | whats the conversion with def rating and defense? |
| 18:51.21 | NightHawkTheSane | wowwiki, imo. |
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| 18:51.29 | Kraps | heh |
| 18:52.41 | Dewin | wheee |
| 18:53.28 | Dewin | Anybody interested in a CSV dump of all of the named frames in FrameXML, their types, whether they're virtual or not, and what template(s) they inherit or items they are inherited by? |
| 18:55.10 | Kraps | so according to wowwiki, i'm crit capped... |
| 18:56.13 | Kraps | dunno if that makes sense |
| 18:57.28 | Dewin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98097 (requires PHP) |
| 18:58.51 | NightHawkTheSane | is there any reasonably easy way to merge two tables, keeping key->value pairs intact, assuming there will never be any key collisions? |
| 18:59.03 | NightHawkTheSane | aside from iteration, of course.. |
| 18:59.34 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: Do you need to modify the tables after the merge? |
| 18:59.55 | NightHawkTheSane | uh, i guess not.. |
| 19:00.05 | Dewin | then you can fake it... sec |
| 19:00.17 | Kraps | 9818 armor is good for a 66 prot warr? |
| 19:01.53 | Xinhuan | you could "merge 2 tables" via a metatable ;p |
| 19:01.55 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSame: I use this to mimic OOP: setmetatable(o, self); self.__index = self |
| 19:02.33 | Dewin | I don't know exactly how it works, I stole it right out of the book, but it works :) |
| 19:02.35 | Xinhuan | that is, set a __index to retrive the key-value pair of the other table |
| 19:03.15 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. interesting. probably slightly more complex than i actually need, and i suspect i'm over thinking the whole thing anyway. :) |
| 19:03.41 | Xinhuan | a = {} b = {} setmetatable(a, {__index = function(self, key) return b[key] end}) |
| 19:04.03 | Xinhuan | so if a["blah"] doesn't exist, it returns b["blah"] |
| 19:05.23 | Xinhuan | just don't set b[] to lookup a[] in the same way, otherwise you can get a stack overflow on a key that doesn't exist in both tables, unless you use "return rawget(b, key)" |
| 19:07.45 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: The advantage to using a metatable is it's basically instant |
| 19:07.53 | Dewin | rather than having to iterate over every value of b and copy to a |
| 19:08.26 | Dewin | the disadvantage is they are no longer distinct from each other, in that if you continue to modify b the changes are suddenly reflected in a as well |
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| 19:09.32 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* I think for what i was doing, it's not quite what i need, though. |
| 19:13.31 | Dewin | Otherwise there's various ways of merging and copying :) |
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| 19:16.44 | NightHawkTheSane | End (and anyone else, i guess): i just updated StableBoy on wowi, now with mount filtering! |
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| 19:23.41 | Dewin | Interesting that DialogBoxFrame comes with a default OK button. |
| 19:24.17 | cladhaire | why is that interesting? |
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| 19:25.01 | Dewin | well, perhaps "Annoying" is the correct term |
| 19:25.21 | cladhaire | well it needs to have some button. ,and you can make it say whatever you want quite easily :P |
| 19:26.19 | Dewin | Well |
| 19:26.29 | Dewin | I didn't want to pollute globals by naming my frame |
| 19:26.41 | Dewin | but if I inherit the template I get a named button that somehow gets "TopButton" as the name. |
| 19:26.42 | cladhaire | so don't use the template |
| 19:26.46 | cladhaire | yes |
| 19:26.51 | cladhaire | this is the way ALL blizzard templates work |
| 19:26.58 | cladhaire | if you don't want to name them, you should make your own |
| 19:27.10 | cladhaire | why are you inheriting to begin with? |
| 19:27.16 | cladhaire | do static popups not work for you? |
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| 19:27.44 | Dewin | cladhaire: At the moment, I'm trying to find a way to design stuff that's at least somewhat consistent with Blizz's look without having to specify the textures/etc all manually. |
| 19:27.46 | Dewin | With no luck. |
| 19:28.00 | cladhaire | well you have two options |
| 19:28.03 | cladhaire | use a static popup |
| 19:28.05 | cladhaire | this no naming |
| 19:28.10 | cladhaire | or create your own template |
| 19:28.30 | cladhaire | MOST blizzard templates use $parent magic to find frame's children and it works quite well without issue |
| 19:28.52 | cladhaire | perhaps your requirement that you set no global variables is counter productive to actually getting work done :P |
| 19:29.02 | cladhaire | or at least in conflict with blizzard code reuse |
| 19:29.04 | Dewin | cladhaire: It's more the look&feel,texturing, etc. I'm going after moreso than any child elements. |
| 19:29.12 | cladhaire | .. so use the backdrop? |
| 19:29.16 | cladhaire | its like a line of code |
| 19:30.01 | cladhaire | I use the dialogbox backdrop for a number of frames, cause its nice :P |
| 19:30.27 | Dewin | If I kew what I was doing I probably would. |
| 19:31.53 | Drayeah | Hmm, I don't have a remember accountname checkbox on the PTR. Is this removed from the game or is it just a PTR thing? |
| 19:32.24 | Dewin | I have one. |
| 19:33.26 | Drayeah | Doh, I am blind. It moved from it's original position below the Show laucher checkbox. Searched for it alreayd 10minutes :-( |
| 19:35.44 | Dewin | cladhaire: Do I really need to copypasta someone else's backdrop or is there some way to say "use this standard backdrop" that I'm missing? >.> |
| 19:36.06 | cladhaire | The table has to be specified somewhere. |
| 19:36.20 | cladhaire | you should be able to get :GetBackdrop() on an existing frame and dump it into the new one |
| 19:36.24 | Dewin | and I'm not finding any standard tables for it |
| 19:36.29 | cladhaire | i.e. myFrame:SetBackdrop(GameTooltip:GetBackdrop()) |
| 19:36.37 | cladhaire | that will set your frame to use the same backdrop as GameTooltip |
| 19:36.40 | Dewin | that'd work I suppose. |
| 19:36.50 | mikma | http://www.bestactever.com/rickvote.html |
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| 19:53.25 | Thrae | http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/10/wow-whore-has-36-accounts-raids-by-himself/ <-- too old? |
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| 19:55.19 | sb | yup... |
| 19:56.34 | Dracusorul` | its old now... :) |
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| 20:27.32 | Stanzilla | what's the color code for runic power? |
| 20:27.47 | duaiwe | check framexml? |
| 20:28.29 | ScytheBlade1 | light light blue |
| 20:28.30 | End | NightHawkTheSane: I noticed you just released a new version of StableBoy |
| 20:28.35 | NightHawkTheSane | End: I did indeed. |
| 20:28.38 | NightHawkTheSane | you should check it out. |
| 20:28.45 | End | I am indeed checking it out |
| 20:29.20 | End | Other than I didn't notice the Apply button before, it seems to work perfectly |
| 20:29.37 | NightHawkTheSane | cool :) |
| 20:29.52 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: you rebel you. |
| 20:29.59 | Dewin | What binary? |
| 20:30.03 | Dewin | the .blp stuff? |
| 20:30.29 | Dewin | gimme a link I want to download foxlit's Wowi-approved keylogger v1.0 :-p |
| 20:30.34 | NightHawkTheSane | End: i think the only major problem i'm aware of is that if you have some insanely large number of mounts, the checkboxes might overflow the interface options window. i dont really handle that case yet. |
| 20:30.42 | End | :o |
| 20:30.45 | foxlit | Yes. I can't actually get a link while it's pending approval (!) |
| 20:31.03 | foxlit | Or, at least, not through the usual means of going through My Addons |
| 20:31.05 | End | I'll check on my more recent copy |
| 20:31.10 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9011-BLPLook.html |
| 20:31.11 | End | that char has many more mounts |
| 20:31.15 | Duman | unf |
| 20:31.27 | Dewin | NHTS: There's an easy fix for that -- just create an arbitrary number of checkboxes, and have a scrollbar that moves through a list and updates the text on the checkboxes to reflect the current position in the list. |
| 20:31.30 | End | (not quite 50 though) |
| 20:31.31 | NightHawkTheSane | End: its on my to-do list, but scrolling and shit is more complex than i was willing to deal with at 11pm last night :) |
| 20:32.27 | NightHawkTheSane | End: well, the thing is, there's only checkboxes for your fastest mounts, so even if you have 50.. chances are you wont really have THAT many 280% flying mounts or 100% ground mounts. so im not even sure how much of a problem it is, but given varying screen sizes, resolutions, and UI scales, etc.. |
| 20:32.42 | End | yeah, I'm a bit short |
| 20:32.50 | Dewin | If you have N checkboxes and M mounts, your scrollbar goes from the range of 0 to (M-N+1) (I think). Then when the value of the scrollbar changes, you update the stuff on the checkboxes to reflect items V thru (V+M-1) |
| 20:32.51 | End | and I doubt ui scale or resolution matters much |
| 20:33.07 | End | since the options frame is a fixed size |
| 20:34.05 | NightHawkTheSane | well, its not strictly so :p There's an addon, BetterBlizzOptions that makes the frame resizable and movable. ;) |
| 20:34.10 | End | true |
| 20:34.18 | End | but now you're asking for trouble ;-p |
| 20:34.27 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe, indeed |
| 20:34.53 | End | if I pick up the talbuks, that should push me over the limit :o |
| 20:35.03 | NightHawkTheSane | but i figure if i can come up with something simple, like Dewin suggested, it should be good enough |
| 20:35.40 | End | how are you figuring out how many 100/280 mounts you have? |
| 20:36.02 | End | actually, I guess you may want to really just use a scrollframe |
| 20:36.12 | End | since that's a lazier solution :P |
| 20:36.22 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, possibly. i haven't really looked into it yet |
| 20:36.27 | End | I hate dealing with faux scroll frames |
| 20:38.10 | End | either it clips |
| 20:38.16 | End | or I'm one short of overflowing |
| 20:38.42 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: That's the suggested way to do I've seen others mention before too. It's also slightly more efficient than creating 280 checkboxes;) |
| 20:39.04 | End | is there really 280 mounts? |
| 20:39.12 | NightHawkTheSane | technically, there are >200 mounts. |
| 20:39.17 | Dewin | I also get to do the exact same thing with a list of checkboxes. |
| 20:39.40 | NightHawkTheSane | but, again, even if someone had every one (which isn't possible), once you filter out slower mounts, and separate by flying/ground, it really cuts it down |
| 20:39.41 | Dewin | only my list EASILY overflows (list of all factions and tradeskills) |
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| 20:41.02 | End | hm, I've never riden a talbuk before |
| 20:41.10 | NightHawkTheSane | its like riding a ram, but more goat like |
| 20:41.15 | End | yeah |
| 20:41.34 | End | they're very goat like |
| 20:41.44 | NightHawkTheSane | they're space goats! |
| 20:41.52 | End | no, that's draenei |
| 20:41.54 | NightHawkTheSane | not to be confused with draenei. |
| 20:41.57 | Dewin | I've only ridden a cat, a horse, a mechanostrider, a gryphon and an elekk. |
| 20:42.05 | End | mew |
| 20:42.08 | Dewin | The horse, however, is my gnome's horse. |
| 20:42.46 | Dewin | though I'm rethinking the choice of black stallion since now people will just assume it's my warlock summoned horse at first glance, when my gnome's not a warlock. |
| 20:43.16 | End | ok, yeah it just overflows :P |
| 20:43.43 | NightHawkTheSane | End: out of curiosity, the checkboxes that overflow, are they still usable? :Pp |
| 20:43.51 | End | yup |
| 20:44.05 | NightHawkTheSane | so, technically its still usable, just horrendously ugly. |
| 20:44.16 | End | so it's not critical, it's just bad aesthetically, unless it overflows off the screen |
| 20:44.27 | End | but that'd be an absurd amount of mounts to overflow like that |
| 20:44.29 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. ill get to that this week at some point. |
| 20:44.41 | End | cool |
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| 20:50.22 | End | oh dear |
| 20:50.31 | End | going to netherwing ledge is lagging me out |
| 20:54.27 | Kraps | wtf is this quest? White Stallion Exchange |
| 20:54.50 | Fisker- | old news |
| 20:55.02 | Fisker- | from back when only undeads had epic style mounts |
| 20:55.02 | zenzelezz | Kraps: in Eastvale Logging Camp or somesuch? |
| 20:55.05 | NightHawkTheSane | a while back there used to be different mount colors. there's quests like that for people who want to exchange those mounts in for new ones, without having to pay for the new one |
| 20:55.08 | zenzelezz | oh, undead |
| 20:55.16 | Kraps | you get a swift one free? |
| 20:55.22 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 20:55.29 | Kraps | just? |
| 20:55.32 | End | yeah back then it was the 1000 gold cost for the mount |
| 20:55.36 | End | since there was no skill involved |
| 20:55.54 | NightHawkTheSane | like i said, there used to be different mount colors, those quests allow you to turn in your old mount to get a choice of new mount colors. |
| 20:56.18 | Kraps | ah |
| 20:56.35 | Kraps | the wowhead page is misleading |
| 20:56.40 | NightHawkTheSane | as End said, the mount cost at the time was fairly exorbitant, so the quest allows a straight up exchange for those who wanted the updated color |
| 20:57.05 | NightHawkTheSane | (course, the smart people kept their old mounts..) |
| 20:57.49 | Kraps | but it was free so what difference did it make? |
| 20:57.56 | Fisker- | Wasn't just an updated color |
| 20:58.00 | Fisker- | it was a new model |
| 20:58.11 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, semantic difference :P |
| 20:58.28 | Fisker- | The white raptor was really popular though |
| 20:58.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: er, it wasn't free. People had paid 1000g for their old mounts. |
| 20:58.46 | End | yeah all epic mounts were 1000g |
| 20:58.47 | Kraps | the 100% ones |
| 20:58.49 | NightHawkTheSane | you actually LOST your old mount to get the new one, so you werent getting anything for free |
| 20:58.59 | Kraps | ah |
| 20:59.08 | End | (not including rep and honor system discounts) |
| 20:59.11 | NightHawkTheSane | right |
| 21:00.09 | End | huh, how exactly am I supposed to get my albino drake :( |
| 21:00.53 | End | oh |
| 21:00.54 | End | mail |
| 21:00.57 | End | makes sense |
| 21:01.07 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 21:01.18 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, all tabard/mount achievement rewards are via mail |
| 21:01.22 | End | well, as much as sending a drake through the mail can make sense :P |
| 21:01.39 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed |
| 21:02.42 | End | even my flying mounts are almost overflowing now |
| 21:03.13 | NightHawkTheSane | see, now your just making me feel bad. ;) |
| 21:03.17 | End | lol |
| 21:03.18 | End | :P |
| 21:03.25 | sb | oh nice |
| 21:03.35 | sb | stage 3 downloader finished |
| 21:03.39 | sb | finally... |
| 21:03.47 | Dewin | stage 3 downloader? |
| 21:03.59 | sb | errr, patch preload :) |
| 21:04.07 | Dewin | which MPQ(s) are stage 3? |
| 21:04.13 | Dewin | I have installer tome 2 and 2 other MPQs. |
| 21:04.42 | sb | same |
| 21:04.48 | Dewin | ah, so I have already |
| 21:04.53 | sb | wow-partial-1.MPQ + wow-partial-2.MPQ |
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| 21:05.06 | sb | 560mb and 70mb |
| 21:05.30 | Dewin | I hope this rendering problem isn't really a rendering problem. |
| 21:05.38 | Dracusorul` | well my downloader doesnt start.... :| even when i start the laucher... no download at all :| |
| 21:05.56 | Dewin | I just use the .torrent in cache personally |
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| 21:10.13 | Dewin | hmm... the dropdown menu template doesn't seem to work without actually naming frames |
| 21:10.24 | Dewin | I almost might as well just FrameXML this. >.> |
| 21:10.46 | foxlit | A lot of things don't work without naming frames. |
| 21:10.55 | Dewin | yeah... |
| 21:10.58 | Dewin | Blargh. |
| 21:11.01 | Thrae | Dewin: Most of the default UI is built like that. |
| 21:11.09 | Dewin | I know, CreateFrame didn't used to exist |
| 21:13.59 | Kraps | whats the quickest way to make 80g? |
| 21:14.28 | Kraps | i dont necessarily need an answer... |
| 21:14.43 | Kraps | just a little depressed |
| 21:15.02 | Dewin | join the "I can't seem to keep more than 100 gold" club with me Kraps. |
| 21:15.14 | Kraps | lol |
| 21:15.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: quest. |
| 21:15.32 | Dewin | I don't play my main much anymore except for raids. |
| 21:15.39 | Dewin | which eat lots of gold very fast |
| 21:15.43 | Dewin | and my alts don't generate much gold. |
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| 21:15.58 | Kraps | actally, i finally made it to 480 |
| 21:16.07 | Kraps | just need 80 more |
| 21:16.22 | Dewin | To think I *used* to have 5000 :) |
| 21:16.31 | Kraps | wow |
| 21:17.05 | Dewin | then I bought epic flying. >.> |
| 21:17.45 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft |
| 21:18.01 | nevcairiel | how can you not have gold .. isnt that the easiest thing these days |
| 21:18.41 | Kraps | no |
| 21:19.28 | NightHawkTheSane | sure it is |
| 21:20.32 | Dewin | nevcairel: Only play for 4 hours a day and spend all 4 of them either in a raid, repairing, or buying flasks and arrows for said raid |
| 21:20.34 | Dewin | poof, no gold |
| 21:20.41 | Kraps | now i can either: 1. level mining, 2. level fishing, 3. buy a cheap 2h axe/sword and level it in stocks, 4. level cooking |
| 21:20.56 | Dewin | 5. level an alt |
| 21:21.03 | Dewin | (to stick with the theme here) |
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| 21:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | 2 -> 4 -> 1 -> 5 -> 3 |
| 21:21.45 | nevcairiel | Dewin: add an additional hour for dailys and you are all set |
| 21:22.06 | Kraps | can you repost my list? |
| 21:22.08 | foxlit | aw, poor hunter |
| 21:22.19 | foxlit | your repair bills must be huge! |
| 21:22.21 | ScytheBlade1 | 17:20 < Kraps> now i can either: 1. level mining, 2. level fishing, 3. buy a cheap 2h axe/sword and level it in stocks, 4. level cooking |
| 21:22.30 | Dewin | foxlit: My raids tend to do a lot of glasschewing |
| 21:22.39 | Kraps | 5? |
| 21:22.47 | End | 5. is level an alt |
| 21:22.49 | Dewin | and I roll crappy on all 1 upgrades I see per week or so. |
| 21:22.51 | End | to continue the theme |
| 21:22.53 | Kraps | lol |
| 21:22.55 | End | Dewin made it up for you |
| 21:22.58 | Kraps | shaman |
| 21:23.05 | Kraps | i guess |
| 21:23.15 | Kraps | i have all classes |
| 21:23.22 | Kraps | all under 20 |
| 21:23.32 | Kraps | cept warrior |
| 21:23.35 | NightHawkTheSane | get a toon to 70 first. :p |
| 21:23.55 | Kraps | warrior is 66 |
| 21:23.57 | Dewin | hunter @ 70 mage @ 44 shaman @ 36 lock @ 28 warrior @ 27 all other classes < 20 |
| 21:24.07 | Dewin | rogue @ 1 >.> |
| 21:24.12 | Dewin | (only rolled to reserve the name) |
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| 21:25.26 | Doow | what was the adress to the addon updating program? I forgot =( |
| 21:25.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Doow: which? |
| 21:25.41 | Kraps | fishing is at 100, cooking at 40 |
| 21:25.52 | Kraps | bugger |
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| 21:27.05 | Kraps | sw is under attack! |
| 21:27.10 | Doow | ScytheBlade1: not curse, it was a good one, located at the server connected to this channel I think (how's that for vague? =) |
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| 21:29.37 | Doow | I found it, thanks to the magic of google =) |
| 21:29.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Doow: WoW Ace Update. It's dying. |
| 21:29.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 21:29.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Which one? |
| 21:29.47 | Doow | WoWInterface UI Manager |
| 21:29.56 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 21:29.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Good to hear |
| 21:30.09 | zenzelezz | the ace updater is dying? |
| 21:30.09 | Doow | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8239-WoWInterfaceUIManager-Windows.html |
| 21:30.20 | Doow | netcraft confirms |
| 21:30.32 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: it is |
| 21:30.59 | zenzelezz | how come? My former guildies will be helpless without it :-p |
| 21:31.21 | ScytheBlade1 | They will be indeed |
| 21:31.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Suckers |
| 21:31.48 | foxlit | l2code :) |
| 21:31.58 | NightHawkTheSane | wowace and curse are merging, more or less. |
| 21:32.13 | foxlit | Or, well, make things that require frequent updates be able to get them from the environment |
| 21:32.27 | Kraps | curse has a pretty bad interface |
| 21:32.50 | NightHawkTheSane | curse.com does, it's ugly as sin, and terribad. |
| 21:32.55 | NightHawkTheSane | curseforge isn't so bad. |
| 21:33.03 | selckin | and the client is basicly spyware, after your money |
| 21:34.01 | Doow | and it makes my anti-virus program spam warning b/c it downloads the exe every time it runs it (curse that is) |
| 21:34.26 | selckin | sends data back to curse without asking you or telling you, or giving you the option to turn it off |
| 21:34.26 | zenzelezz | sounds icky |
| 21:34.58 | NightHawkTheSane | the only data it sends is your curse username & password for authentication, and system specs for troubleshooting |
| 21:35.24 | NightHawkTheSane | it's still in development, so it's kinda ugly and not quite finished, but its perfectly benign. |
| 21:35.40 | selckin | it sends more, and installs an addon without asking |
| 21:36.09 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* well im not here to convince anyone of anything, so whatever. :) |
| 21:36.32 | selckin | i'm just saying why i refuse to use it |
| 21:36.35 | Doow | NightHawkTheSane: do I understand you correct that the curse updater and curseforge are two completely different things? |
| 21:36.47 | foxlit | Mentioning Curse seems to instantly summon someone to whine about them :) |
| 21:36.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Doow: not really |
| 21:37.03 | selckin | foxlit: can't be without reason then |
| 21:37.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Doow: curseforge is an addon author site for hosting & managing addon projects, addons from there are pushed to curse.com |
| 21:37.15 | Doow | foxlit: hehe, sorry |
| 21:37.21 | zenzelezz | you need a Curse account to use the Curse client? |
| 21:37.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Doow: the curse updater will update addons from curse.com |
| 21:37.27 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: yes. |
| 21:37.36 | Doow | NightHawkTheSane: ah =) |
| 21:41.17 | Tekkub | *rawr* |
| 21:41.30 | Tekkub | are Cair and Dolby really here? :P |
| 21:41.58 | zenzelezz | ~seen Cairenn |
| 21:42.03 | purl | cairenn is currently on #waruidev (3d 5h 35m 37s) #wowuidev (3d 5h 35m 37s) #wowace (3d 5h 35m 37s) #wowwiki (3d 5h 35m 37s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 4d 13h 12m 46s, last said: 'nick Cairenn|afk'. |
| 21:42.30 | foxlit | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/october/blizzcon/391013200.jpg slide looks interesting |
| 21:42.34 | Tekkub | nope, bitch turn off your comp when you're OUT OF TOWN |
| 21:43.27 | End | foxlit: whoa, that looks cool |
| 21:43.44 | Dewin | ooh, what is that? |
| 21:44.27 | NightHawkTheSane | that looks like dalaran? |
| 21:44.40 | Dewin | I wouldn't know;) |
| 21:44.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ... in alterac mountains.. |
| 21:44.52 | NightHawkTheSane | before/without the shield |
| 21:44.54 | nevcairiel | thats dalaran at its original position |
| 21:45.15 | NightHawkTheSane | thats really awesome |
| 21:45.32 | foxlit | what would we be wondering, though? |
| 21:45.53 | NightHawkTheSane | what the alterac mountains looked like before dalaran got ravaged? |
| 21:46.54 | foxlit | now, see, I'd be wondering what's in Dalaran's place in Alterac. |
| 21:47.02 | NightHawkTheSane | a giant crater. |
| 21:47.25 | NightHawkTheSane | im not even joking. |
| 21:47.54 | Fisker- | no u |
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| 21:49.33 | Dewin | hmm |
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| 21:55.24 | Dewin | How do you do variable-argument functions in WoW? http://www.lua.org/pil/5.2.html does not seem to work ('arg' is nil) |
| 21:55.43 | Dewin | I didn't want to burn overhead creating a table. |
| 21:56.08 | NightHawkTheSane | lua> function a(...) print(...) end; a('first','second','third'); |
| 21:56.08 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: first, second, third |
| 21:56.13 | mikma | foxlit: whats that? |
| 21:56.24 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: That's not what I mean. |
| 21:56.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: it's.. not? |
| 21:56.41 | Dewin | I want function a(...) for each argument in a do this. |
| 21:56.47 | Dewin | for each argument in ... rather |
| 21:56.59 | NightHawkTheSane | er, you lost me |
| 21:57.00 | Dewin | sec |
| 21:57.24 | Dewin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98106 |
| 21:59.35 | NightHawkTheSane | lua> function a(...) local t={...}; for k,v in pairs(t) do print(v); end; a('one','two') |
| 21:59.36 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 21:59.42 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, woops |
| 21:59.50 | NightHawkTheSane | lua> function a(...) local t={...}; for k,v in pairs(t) do print(v); end; end; a('one','two') |
| 21:59.51 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: one, two |
| 22:00.17 | Dewin | hmm... the example conveniently ignored that. lol |
| 22:00.21 | Dewin | I wonder if I can do in pairs(...) then |
| 22:00.51 | Dewin | since my goal was to avoid having to construct another table |
| 22:00.53 | NightHawkTheSane | no, i tried that. :p |
| 22:01.08 | NightHawkTheSane | but another table shouldn't be a problem if it's local |
| 22:01.08 | Dewin | you did? |
| 22:01.13 | NightHawkTheSane | in wow, yeah |
| 22:01.29 | NightHawkTheSane | (so as not to overly spam the channel with my fumblings in lua :p) |
| 22:02.07 | foxlit | lua> function a(...) for k,v in pairs({...}) do print(v); end; end; a('one','two') |
| 22:02.08 | lua_bot | foxlit: one, two |
| 22:02.23 | Dewin | I don't get an error doing it, heh. |
| 22:02.38 | foxlit | or, hey, for i=1,select("#", ...) do local v = select(i, ...); --[[ code ]] end |
| 22:02.40 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: is that functionally any different than what i did? or just semantically different? :p |
| 22:03.12 | Dewin | lua>function(a...) for k,v in pairs(...) do print(v); end; end; a('one', 'two') |
| 22:03.13 | lua_bot | Dewin: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near '(' |
| 22:03.17 | Dewin | oops |
| 22:03.23 | Dewin | wtb brain |
| 22:03.29 | Dewin | lua>function a(...) for k,v in pairs(...) do print(v); end; end; a('one', 'two') |
| 22:03.29 | lua_bot | Dewin: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got string) |
| 22:03.35 | foxlit | It's what you did, more or less. Doesn't declare an explicit local so it'll deallocate faster if it needs to, but there's no real difference. |
| 22:03.50 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: okay, cool. |
| 22:03.54 | Dewin | odd. WoW doesn't complain in that case. |
| 22:04.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: it does forme.. |
| 22:04.05 | NightHawkTheSane | but im on live. |
| 22:04.15 | foxlit | depends on what you have in your ... :) |
| 22:04.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i suppose. :( |
| 22:04.24 | Dewin | maybe wowlua just went "I QUIT!" |
| 22:04.24 | NightHawkTheSane | er :) |
| 22:05.01 | Kraps | # Quests can be shared with party members at any distance. |
| 22:05.03 | Kraps | # Quests can be shared with party members by linking the quest into party chat. |
| 22:05.05 | Kraps | nice |
| 22:05.10 | foxlit | you can also do for i=1,select("#", ...) do local e = select(i, ...); |
| 22:05.59 | Dewin | Those are nice changes |
| 22:06.06 | Dewin | now if you could just link calendar events |
| 22:06.34 | NightHawkTheSane | now if calendars just had signups |
| 22:07.14 | Dewin | That was my idea behind being able to link them |
| 22:07.32 | Kraps | There are those who like to buy Hello Kitty paraphernalia, decorate their bedroom with stuffed animals, or perhaps just smile at anyone they pass on the street. The Forsaken would eat those people for breakfast. |
| 22:07.44 | Dewin | Especially if you're planning a 25 man PUG (or partial pug) |
| 22:08.00 | Dewin | link it into some channel and any interested party can sign up |
| 22:09.42 | Syzgyn | The problem with that is if it somehow gets into trade or something |
| 22:09.56 | Syzgyn | then you have 300 people signed up who dont really want to go |
| 22:11.24 | Dewin | Not if there were restrictions on who could link it |
| 22:11.29 | Dewin | and I figure there'd be a way to confirm the signups |
| 22:11.36 | Dewin | (or reject them) |
| 22:11.37 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, i think using the calendar outside of the guild is unnecessary functionality |
| 22:12.04 | Dewin | the majority of my server's alliance-side raiding would beg to differ :) |
| 22:12.20 | Dewin | http://sasu-er.org/ |
| 22:12.29 | Syzgyn | Obviously you'd be able to accept/reject any signups |
| 22:12.37 | Syzgyn | but that doesnt make the signal-to-noise any better |
| 22:12.56 | Dewin | hence the 'restrictions on who could link it' bit. |
| 22:13.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: yeah, we've things like that on our realm, but i think in terms of a baseline UI, its a little out of scope |
| 22:13.07 | Syzgyn | I cant imagine how that'd be doable |
| 22:13.10 | NightHawkTheSane | there's just so much extra stuff you'd have to add in |
| 22:13.37 | Syzgyn | With the way it currently is set up, if someone really wants to link anything, they can. |
| 22:13.38 | NightHawkTheSane | at least restricted to guild only signups you can more or less ignore/handwave past a lot of things like "who can link it" or "who can signup" |
| 22:14.07 | Dewin | Eh, if it doesn't have enough functionality it just ends up being yet another place I have to go to sign up for things |
| 22:14.17 | Dewin | I already have 4 different sites to sign up for raids on, I don't need more. |
| 22:14.26 | Syzgyn | Signing up for raids is overrated anyway |
| 22:14.56 | Dewin | Raid leaders having the ability to make sure the people who sign up are actually geared for the raid and know the loot rules ahead of time is overrated? |
| 22:15.04 | Pneumatus | people still sign up for raids? |
| 22:15.11 | Syzgyn | Pretty much, yep |
| 22:15.22 | foxlit | A lot of it depends on what sort of guild you're in. |
| 22:15.38 | Pneumatus | i'm signed up regardless, i have to sign off if im not available :) |
| 22:15.52 | Syzgyn | signing off I do like |
| 22:16.00 | Syzgyn | it's not foolproof, but it helps |
| 22:16.06 | Dewin | well.. if there was a way to do, well, a meta-gulid, then I'd be in for it ;) |
| 22:16.22 | Syzgyn | Thats how my current guild does it, theres a forum thread you're supposed to post in if you cant make a raid |
| 22:16.32 | Syzgyn | not everyone does, but enough do that its useful |
| 22:16.43 | Pneumatus | well, the whole signing off system is dependant on having a fixed raid pool |
| 22:16.48 | schnoggo | i belong to a meta-guild and signups are a critical tool |
| 22:16.49 | Syzgyn | Dewin: Meta-guild = private channel |
| 22:16.59 | Dewin | Szygyn: That's exactly what SASU is. |
| 22:17.01 | Pneumatus | so i guess for an alliance-type raid group it might be a little different |
| 22:17.13 | Dewin | But... again, I end up having to go to 4 different places to sign up for SASU raids depending on who's hosting them |
| 22:17.15 | Syzgyn | Honestly though, the game is not designed to support meta-guilds |
| 22:17.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Pneumatus: opt-in vs opt-out depends a lot on your guild & raid group |
| 22:17.20 | Syzgyn | and I see no reason it needs to |
| 22:17.39 | Pneumatus | NightHawkTheSane: also possibly the level you are raiding at as well |
| 22:17.41 | Dewin | All's it needs is the ability to link calendar entries. |
| 22:17.54 | Dewin | ANd restrict linking to whoever has assist for the event, since you can already set that. |
| 22:18.01 | Pneumatus | as the higher level you're raiding, the more likely you are to be making substitutions per boss |
| 22:18.01 | Syzgyn | You cant do that though |
| 22:18.10 | Syzgyn | its not possible to restrict who can link something |
| 22:18.18 | Syzgyn | without massive changes at least |
| 22:18.21 | Dewin | How do you know? |
| 22:18.27 | Dewin | oh. hmm.. nvm |
| 22:18.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Pneumatus: eh, not necessarily, again, it really depends on the guild |
| 22:18.57 | Syzgyn | Pneumatus: My guild fully clears BT with as few subs as possible |
| 22:19.08 | Pneumatus | i don't think i've ever seen a cookie cutter raid setup that clears SWP with no substitutions |
| 22:19.23 | Pneumatus | when you basically need 10/11 healers for felmyst twins, and only 6 for muru |
| 22:19.37 | Syzgyn | I'll agree it is different for sunwelll |
| 22:19.43 | zenzelezz | Felmyst twins, now that sounds like a challenge |
| 22:19.46 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 22:19.47 | NightHawkTheSane | but that still has nothing to do with opt-in vs opt-out schedulign :p |
| 22:20.17 | Pneumatus | NightHawkTheSane: it kind of does, as opt-ins you tend to put a hard limit on class/spec signups |
| 22:20.26 | Syzgyn | Well, aside from the other differences the two guilds I was in had, the one that does opt-out makes muuuuch better progress |
| 22:20.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Pneumatus: er, not really |
| 22:21.12 | NightHawkTheSane | the only effective difference between the two is what action a person has to take. |
| 22:21.36 | Syzgyn | In my experience though, having a sign-up list gets people to see the list, see that theres no room for them, and then they dont show up at all |
| 22:21.51 | Syzgyn | as opposed to having more than enough people on for a raid almost all the time |
| 22:22.17 | Pneumatus | yeh, i've seen that happen in the past with opt-in signups in a guild |
| 22:22.31 | Pneumatus | once x amount of a certain class people tend not to sign, and not show up |
| 22:22.43 | NightHawkTheSane | well thats also guild culture. my last guild made a point of making sure that people who signed up got in to raids reasonably often |
| 22:23.16 | Pneumatus | and I guess its also down to the size of your raid pool |
| 22:23.19 | Syzgyn | Yeah, there is definitely alot more involved than just how you setup the raid group |
| 22:23.24 | Pneumatus | (and therefore reliability of raiders) |
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| 22:30.00 | Duman | hola iriel |
| 22:30.24 | Duman | just get home? :) |
| 22:31.21 | Iriel | Been home about 2 1/2 hours (after my 5 hr drive) |
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| 22:34.40 | Duman | Syz: oh, were we supposed to take pics? |
| 22:34.58 | Syzgyn | Shirik already said he had :P |
| 22:35.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Duman: yes, on threat of death. *nod* |
| 22:35.13 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 22:35.17 | Iriel | pictures were taken, though the venue was a challenge |
| 22:35.18 | zenzelezz | he also seemed to say Iriel probably had pictures |
| 22:35.41 | Gnarfoz | manipulated CC card readers transmitting CC data via mobile phone to pakistan oO |
| 22:35.46 | Duman | damn |
| 22:36.03 | Duman | yeah the multi-table setting made it interesting |
| 22:36.08 | Duman | well, "table" |
| 22:36.25 | Duman | but I saw several cameras floating around at foodtime |
| 22:36.31 | Iriel | I have pictures from other times, and some from the dinner, but not many from the dinner |
| 22:37.10 | Syzgyn | I'm ok with non-dinner pics |
| 22:37.36 | Duman | I have some post-dinner pics... but those were mostly cairenn trying to hide |
| 22:37.56 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 22:38.20 | Iriel | she (cair) does that a lot around cameras |
| 22:38.26 | Duman | :) |
| 22:38.40 | Syzgyn | So I've eard |
| 22:38.42 | Syzgyn | heard* |
| 22:39.37 | Dewin | lua>print(max(nil, 5)) |
| 22:39.38 | lua_bot | Dewin: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'max' (a nil value) |
| 22:39.44 | Dewin | ... |
| 22:40.05 | NightHawkTheSane | math.max? |
| 22:40.08 | Syzgyn | ^ |
| 22:40.10 | Movix | hi, i have this error on the 3.02 client |
| 22:40.10 | Movix | Message: ..\FrameXML\UIPanelTemplates.lua line 246: attempt to index local 'self' (a nil value) |
| 22:40.10 | Movix | i know what this error means, but swatter gives me not enough informations to localize exactly the error. is there any hint you can give me please on how to find the origin ? |
| 22:40.10 | Dewin | ah. It's just max in WoW |
| 22:40.23 | haste | max in wow is just a reference to math.max |
| 22:40.38 | jaxdahl | lua>import math;print(max(nil,5)) |
| 22:40.38 | lua_bot | jaxdahl: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'math' |
| 22:40.49 | jaxdahl | lua>use math;print(max(nil,5)) |
| 22:40.50 | lua_bot | jaxdahl: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'math' |
| 22:40.52 | Syzgyn | Movix: start turning off addons till the error goes away |
| 22:41.03 | NightHawkTheSane | lua> print(math.max(nil,5)) |
| 22:41.03 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'max' (number expected, got nil) |
| 22:41.34 | Movix | the problem is that i try to get my addon GEMUI work on the 3.xx client, i know exactly wich addon causes the error |
| 22:41.39 | Dewin | I'm trying to figire out how GetHeight() manages to return 0... which causes my addon to set the height to 0, which causes getheight to return 32 in some places and 0 in others on the same frame... >.> |
| 22:42.03 | Syzgyn | Is it a FontString by chance? |
| 22:42.04 | Movix | i think there is a typo in one of the XMLs or in a function prototype |
| 22:42.12 | cbreak | is it negative height? |
| 22:42.23 | Dewin | Not negative height, I never actually explicitly set the height |
| 22:42.31 | Dewin | though one of the items in question is a fontstring yes |
| 22:42.48 | Movix | but with all the code a hint where to look at is what i'am searching for |
| 22:42.49 | Syzgyn | fontstrings dont like GetHeight/GetWidth alot of the times |
| 22:43.10 | Syzgyn | Movix: Does swatter not give a debug tree? |
| 22:43.22 | Movix | not realy |
| 22:43.32 | Syzgyn | Get BugSack/BugGrabber then |
| 22:43.40 | Movix | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.41 | Movix | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.41 | Movix | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.41 | Movix | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: they do the same thing.. |
| 22:43.47 | Syzgyn | oh |
| 22:43.58 | Dewin | Aha.. my code doesn't work like I thought it did... |
| 22:44.04 | Dewin | PEBKAC >.> |
| 22:44.05 | Iriel | You could try GetRect() too |
| 22:44.28 | Dewin | Nah, my code wasn't actually *doing* anything apparently ;) |
| 22:44.30 | Syzgyn | Movix: Its somewhere where you're accessing that function I'd guress |
| 22:44.33 | Dewin | Looping over all zero arguments. |
| 22:44.35 | Syzgyn | s/gur/gu |
| 22:44.41 | Iriel | Though you're still dependent on whether the game has rendered the font yet |
| 22:45.12 | Syzgyn | Movix: got a pastey of the code? |
| 22:45.27 | Dewin | Iriel: It's at frame-create-time really. |
| 22:46.12 | Dewin | I'm basically trying to write positioning code that doesn't make assumptions based on the size of frames |
| 22:46.33 | Dewin | I have two label + combobox pairs, I want them to be aligned with each other... basically |
| 22:46.47 | Iriel | Can't you just anchor them strategically? |
| 22:46.48 | Syzgyn | Anchor one to the other? |
| 22:46.55 | Movix | ScrollFrame_OnLoad is triggered by one of the scrollframes i use when they load. my hope was to get a fast why to find the one that makes this error |
| 22:47.23 | Syzgyn | Movix: No idea without seeing some code |
| 22:47.23 | Movix | so no i cannot pastey code, because i don't know the exact code portion doing that |
| 22:47.27 | Dewin | Szygyn: I want to anchor them both to the top of the frame, and I don't want the size of one to dictate the size of the other when I don't neccessarily know which one will 'naturally' be bigger. |
| 22:47.39 | Syzgyn | ...bwha? |
| 22:47.55 | Syzgyn | you want them aligned, but they're different sizes? |
| 22:48.07 | Dewin | well, this *particular* case |
| 22:48.17 | Dewin | is setting them both to be the same height as the biggest. |
| 22:48.35 | Dewin | (This is two side by side items) |
| 22:48.39 | Syzgyn | I'm still not seeing why you couldnt just use anchors |
| 22:49.10 | Syzgyn | Movix: paste it all? Or go through and comment out sections at a time |
| 22:49.13 | Dewin | because they have multiple constraints. |
| 22:49.27 | Movix | is there a place where i can see the content of the UIPanelTemplates.lua file of the 3.02 client ? |
| 22:49.36 | Syzgyn | http://wowcompares.com/3029061/FrameXML/UIPanelTemplates.lua |
| 22:50.10 | Dewin | I have two 'panels' (basically, frames with GameTooltip's backdrop. Bottom is anchored to top.... |
| 22:50.16 | Dewin | Each panel has a label + combobox pair. |
| 22:50.16 | Syzgyn | Dewin: I dont think I'd get this without a picture at this point :P |
| 22:50.35 | Dewin | I want the comboboxes to be aligned with each other... but... |
| 22:50.42 | Dewin | I don't want them to be too far away from the labels |
| 22:50.55 | Syzgyn | So... anchor the labels to the boxes |
| 22:50.59 | Syzgyn | and the boxes to each other? |
| 22:51.16 | Dewin | Because then the labels are no longer anchored to the left of the frame? |
| 22:51.21 | Syzgyn | Ok? |
| 22:51.22 | Dewin | let me finish |
| 22:51.30 | Syzgyn | sorry, thought that was all |
| 22:51.45 | Dewin | The labels are both intended to be left-aligned |
| 22:51.56 | Dewin | the combo boxes are intended to be joined to whichever label is wider. |
| 22:51.59 | Dewin | so they align the same. |
| 22:52.08 | Dewin | but I don't know ahead of time which label will be wider |
| 22:52.20 | Syzgyn | fontstring:SetWidth() and fontstring:SetJustifyH("LEFT") |
| 22:52.41 | Dewin | So what I'm doing is anchoring each combobox to the fontstring, and then setting the font strings to be the width of whichever font string is the widest |
| 22:52.42 | Syzgyn | Set the width wide enough so they'll never wrap or truncate |
| 22:53.04 | Dewin | Syzgyn: That consists of making assumptions about sizes. I'm trying not to. :) |
| 22:53.25 | Syzgyn | assumptions how? |
| 22:54.15 | Dewin | It's complicated |
| 22:54.22 | Dewin | But what I'm working on is fixed and works now anyways. |
| 22:54.24 | Syzgyn | Obviously |
| 22:54.32 | Syzgyn | ...so whats the problem? |
| 22:54.51 | Dewin | Well you were all going on and on about it after I said I fixed it so I figured I'd explain. |
| 22:54.52 | Dewin | :-p |
| 22:55.01 | Syzgyn | I musta missed that then |
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| 22:55.15 | Dewin | I'm basically trying to mimic java's Swing, but a massively stripped down version of it. |
| 22:55.27 | Syzgyn | Why would you wanna do that? o.O |
| 22:55.49 | Dewin | because it allows more intelligent layouts that don't require me to hard code any sizes whatsoever? |
| 22:56.24 | Syzgyn | Why so against setting exact sizes? |
| 22:57.31 | Dewin | Because a) I don't neccessarily know what the 'ideal' sizes are, and b) I don't know whether a given localization is going to have the text of a label the same length as it is in English :) |
| 22:58.03 | Movix | grrrr |
| 22:58.07 | Syzgyn | Is this for a specific mod, or a lib of some sort? |
| 22:58.15 | Dewin | former |
| 22:58.25 | Iriel | It's an interesting exercise either way |
| 22:58.31 | Syzgyn | indeed |
| 22:58.56 | Syzgyn | Movix: no luck? |
| 22:59.07 | smcn | . |
| 22:59.17 | Syzgyn | .. |
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| 22:59.34 | smcn | k then |
| 22:59.54 | Syzgyn | damn straight. |
| 23:03.20 | Movix | what i did not understand is that i do nothing that alters the OnLoad events of my scrollframes, so how can the ScrollFrame_OnLoad(self) function run in an error, it's call on the CreateFrame call id do and should automaticaly call ScrollFrame_OnLoad with the newly created frame or am i wrong ? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98113 |
| 23:04.01 | Iriel | CreateFrame will invoke the 'topmost' OnLoad of the template stack |
| 23:04.07 | Iriel | (assuming a template is involved) |
| 23:04.14 | Movix | it is |
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| 23:04.39 | Iriel | Err.. |
| 23:05.05 | Iriel | Hm.. |
| 23:05.35 | Iriel | You're running this in 3.0.2 ? |
| 23:05.40 | Movix | yes |
| 23:05.46 | schnoggo | is there a nice Lua idom for x="val1" if Y==true, else x="val2" ? |
| 23:06.27 | Syzgyn | x = 1; if y then x = 2 end? |
| 23:07.02 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean ternary operator? |
| 23:07.06 | Arrowmaster | x = Y and "val2" or "val1" |
| 23:07.11 | Syzgyn | oh, duh |
| 23:07.13 | NightHawkTheSane | x = y and x1 or x2 |
| 23:07.16 | schnoggo | yes |
| 23:07.38 | Duman | he means lik in C: x = (y==true) ? v1 : v2; |
| 23:07.48 | NightHawkTheSane | or, more specifically x = y and y_is_true or y_is_false |
| 23:07.52 | Duman | or perl, etc |
| 23:08.03 | Iriel | Both Syzgyn and Arrowmaster's expressions usually resolve to more or less the same bytecode |
| 23:08.18 | Syzgyn | ha! :P |
| 23:08.29 | Fisker- | omg it's Iriel |
| 23:08.45 | Iriel | where!?!? |
| 23:08.46 | Syzgyn | omg it's Fisker- Oh wait we dont care. :P |
| 23:08.57 | Fisker- | :( |
| 23:09.03 | Syzgyn | ~hug Fisker- |
| 23:09.03 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Fisker- and suddenly hugs Fisker- tightly |
| 23:09.03 | Fisker- | y so hostile? |
| 23:09.05 | Fisker- | yay |
| 23:09.10 | schnoggo | correct - counted: I used 11 languages last week. 8 if you don't count sql dialects. My brain keeps writing other languages in my Lua! |
| 23:09.11 | Fisker- | ~kiss Syzgyn |
| 23:09.11 | purl | ACTION forces Syzgyn to give Sbo-Bot a big kiss on the forehead |
| 23:09.49 | Movix | do you think i can hook the ScrollFrame_Onload function to printout a correct calling stack when self == nil ? |
| 23:09.53 | schnoggo | looking more fore clean-looking code in this case, since it's not ni a frame service or something. |
| 23:10.50 | Movix | i never did stuff liek this, tha's why i ask |
| 23:11.05 | Iriel | Movix: I have a suspicion your problem is more subtle and elsewhere |
| 23:11.38 | Movix | last i did was to fix the code to fit http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=36975623#5 |
| 23:11.44 | Movix | so i did a lot |
| 23:11.46 | mikma | Jaw |
| 23:12.37 | Iriel | Movix: Do you have perhaps any old AddOns loaded that are hooking ScrollFrame_OnLoad (or calling it) themselves and forgetting the (3.0 added) self? |
| 23:12.42 | Dewin | Hmm... of *course* GetBottom() isn't going to work before a farme is attached to anything. |
| 23:13.03 | Syzgyn | Movix: What happens if you add in an <OnLoad>ScrollFrame_OnLoad(self)</OnLoad> |
| 23:13.06 | mikma | oh nice... missen one button and /aw turned into Jaw =D |
| 23:13.51 | Iriel | Dewin: If you're getting multiple frame coordinates do use GetRect() (I'm not sure if you are, but not everyone remembers it's there) |
| 23:14.14 | schnoggo | did you clear points before adding your new anchors? |
| 23:14.17 | Movix | YES ! |
| 23:14.27 | Movix | damned UIDesigner |
| 23:14.48 | Dewin | Iriel: I remember, I use it in other places actually |
| 23:14.59 | Dewin | right now my problem is GetBottom() or GetTop() (not sure which) is returning nil |
| 23:15.07 | Dewin | And they're being called on different frames, so getrect isn't usable |
| 23:15.15 | Iriel | Likely means it's not anchored, or has an undefined size |
| 23:15.32 | Movix | had a frame designed with it and in deed it has a Scrollframe definition without the correct function calles, i go to test it IG |
| 23:15.35 | Dewin | yet it displays fine. |
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| 23:16.10 | Iriel | Dewin: I'm sure if you query the rect LATER then you'll find you have values |
| 23:16.34 | Movix | fixed! thanks a lot for your help :-) |
| 23:16.57 | Iriel | In theory the anchoring constraints are forcibly resolved whenever you call GetTop/Left/Right/Bottom |
| 23:17.43 | Dewin | Yeah, I don't know 'exactly' when the grandparent frame is anchored |
| 23:17.45 | Iriel | If you're finding a case where you're certain everything's already anchored and it's STILL returning crazy values, then there may be a bug |
| 23:17.56 | Iriel | One trick is to set an OnUpdate |
| 23:18.03 | Iriel | which does the layout then unsets itself |
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| 23:18.09 | Dewin | Hmmmm |
| 23:18.24 | Dewin | Interesting concept. |
| 23:18.34 | Dewin | Which would also save load time until the frame is shown for the first time... |
| 23:18.39 | Dewin | since it's an options frame after all |
| 23:19.27 | Iriel | Yup |
| 23:19.46 | Dewin | it has the drawback of not letting me catch obvious errors at reloadui time though |
| 23:20.09 | Dewin | What I'm working with right now is: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98116-ixyi |
| 23:20.10 | Iriel | Temporarily put the OnUpdate on a dummy (visible) frame |
| 23:20.40 | Dewin | What that doesn't show is that InterfaceOptions_AddCategory seems to anchor the frame itself. |
| 23:20.46 | Dewin | though it's possible it doesn't do it right away. |
| 23:20.55 | Dewin | actually, I should go take a look |
| 23:22.10 | Dewin | Aha! it doesn't. |
| 23:22.28 | Dewin | I don't think it's actually anchored until display time |
| 23:22.37 | Iriel | Anchor it yourself beforehand |
| 23:22.54 | Iriel | (use the same anchor point that InterfaceOptions is going to use) |
| 23:22.54 | Dewin | yeah |
| 23:23.02 | Dewin | I don't actually need to use the same anchor point |
| 23:23.20 | Dewin | I'm trying to resize something based on the total height of all of it's children |
| 23:23.40 | Iriel | Does InterfaceOptions ClearAllPoints before it re-anchors? |
| 23:23.42 | Dewin | so I'm doing setheight(buffer + top of topmost child - bottom of bottommostchild) |
| 23:23.46 | Iriel | That was why I said 'use the same point' |
| 23:23.46 | Dewin | yes. |
| 23:23.50 | Iriel | (as in "TOP" "BOTTOM" etc) |
| 23:23.54 | Iriel | Ah, then you're set, cool |
| 23:24.13 | Dewin | that explains why it looks fine but fails on loadup |
| 23:25.30 | Dewin | Ohh... but hmm |
| 23:25.38 | Dewin | ClearAllPoints won't make my frame 'go away' will it >.> |
| 23:25.57 | Dewin | oh nvm, the interface options explicitly calls show so I can safely hide it |
| 23:26.39 | Iriel | No, CAP doesn't make it go away |
| 23:26.47 | Iriel | it removes constraints but leaves the frame exactly where it is |
| 23:28.07 | Dewin | Hmm... okay, despite doing SetAllPoints on UIparent on my base frame, I'm still being told something is nill. Bleh. |
| 23:28.26 | Movix | before 3.02 i used static popup dialog with their OnAccept set to a function. in that function i used "this" to catch some data of the input field. how do i have to handle this in 3.XX ? |
| 23:28.52 | Iriel | See if they changed it to pass 'self' into the function |
| 23:28.56 | Iriel | I would hope they did |
| 23:29.03 | Movix | they did'nd |
| 23:29.17 | Movix | they did not |
| 23:29.25 | Movix | i tested this all ready |
| 23:29.32 | Iriel | Then (a) please post a request for it in the 3.0 changes thread, and (b) this is still there, for now |
| 23:30.00 | Movix | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet, "Your keybinds and glyphs will be saved and automatically switched as you change your spec." |
| 23:30.56 | Iriel | How come all of StaticPopup's functions DO use self |
| 23:31.01 | ScytheBlade1 | -1 addon I was writing |
| 23:31.38 | Movix | ?? sorry did not understand that |
| 23:31.40 | mikma | needs more new stuff in old content |
| 23:31.55 | Iriel | Movix: Blizzard's 3.0 code does pass self as the first argument to OnAccept |
| 23:31.55 | mikma | old ironforge, instance in wetlands... |
| 23:31.56 | Dewin | I'm at Dalaran Crater right now |
| 23:31.58 | Iriel | all of their code does it |
| 23:32.08 | Iriel | so you likely have a bug somewhere else |
| 23:32.11 | mikma | Dewin: bubble lol |
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| 23:32.25 | Dewin | you can go in actually ;) |
| 23:32.34 | Dewin | It feels like there should be an instance here |
| 23:32.50 | mikma | Dewin: go in how? walk? |
| 23:32.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: its a... crater? what do you want? :P |
| 23:32.55 | Dewin | yup. |
| 23:33.12 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: the dalaran bubble in altarac is permeable now |
| 23:33.13 | Dewin | the magic field looks different (it's still there), but you can walk right through it |
| 23:33.33 | mikma | lul cool, need to check it tomorrow |
| 23:33.35 | NightHawkTheSane | one of the FPs was actually altered to go through it |
| 23:33.48 | mikma | but anyway... |
| 23:33.53 | mikma | old ironforge, instance in wetlands... =D |
| 23:34.00 | mikma | gief |
| 23:34.14 | NightHawkTheSane | wee, tabard of the scarlet crusade, finaly |
| 23:34.24 | mikma | and the another instance of stormwind |
| 23:35.02 | mikma | oh, oh, and the area next to SFK |
| 23:35.17 | mikma | it's blank now, nothing but a huge gate |
| 23:35.27 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom's a huge gate. :p |
| 23:35.37 | mikma | you wish! |
| 23:36.08 | Fisker- | zomg NightHawkTheSane you championing for the scarlet crusade? |
| 23:36.43 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_101108_215211.jpg |
| 23:36.58 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_101108_215613.jpg |
| 23:37.01 | Fisker- | y helo thar |
| 23:37.03 | Dewin | hmm weird, it wasn't working and now it magically started working. That's always scary. |
| 23:37.06 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: stop breaking the world |
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| 23:37.32 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_101108_215344.jpg |
| 23:37.33 | Dewin | the heck? |
| 23:37.42 | mikma | NightHawkTheSane: but it's so fun =/ |
| 23:37.48 | Dewin | fall through the floor much? |
| 23:37.54 | mikma | nope |
| 23:38.02 | mikma | exploring in the old content |
| 23:38.21 | Fisker- | reported for exploitation |
| 23:38.32 | mikma | go ahead =) |
| 23:38.33 | Corrodias | it is our civic duty to report you for having fun in WoW |
| 23:38.40 | Movix | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98120 is what worked well before 3.00 without "self" as first param of the OnAccept |
| 23:38.43 | Corrodias | this is not allowed. >:o |
| 23:38.46 | Dewin | gotta love those magical floating trees. |
| 23:39.48 | Corrodias | i do! i love them |
| 23:39.54 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.54 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.55 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.55 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.01 | Iriel | That's the code that invokes the function |
| 23:40.02 | mikma | oh, need to check can you still get under sw in wotlk |
| 23:40.26 | Corrodias | i can't imagine them fixing a "bug" that old |
| 23:40.53 | Iriel | Corrodias: I suspect it depends if it's an engine bug (flawed bounds checking) or a terrain data bug |
| 23:41.18 | Iriel | Having said that they did just add half a city to stormwind, so it's not like they weren't working on it recently 8-) |
| 23:41.34 | Corrodias | they did? what for? :o |
| 23:41.41 | Iriel | The port |
| 23:41.52 | Corrodias | to get to northrend, i take it? cool |
| 23:41.59 | Iriel | SW feels so much more epic now, IMHO |
| 23:42.45 | Dewin | Okay, given a set of options Create Delete Rename Clone, what order would you put them in? |
| 23:43.11 | Iriel | What do people do more often? |
| 23:43.12 | mikma | king is back! |
| 23:43.34 | Fisker- | i never left |
| 23:43.45 | Iriel | Also 'Delete Rename Clone' all refer to an existing thing, but Create does not |
| 23:43.48 | Iriel | (Unless it's "Create child" or somesuch) |
| 23:43.50 | Fisker- | That was clever use of word mechanics right there Mike-N-Go |
| 23:43.51 | Fisker- | >:E |
| 23:44.00 | Fisker- | That was not as clever use of tab mechanics |
| 23:44.44 | mikma | nice, you owned yourself, again. |
| 23:44.45 | Dewin | yeah, but Clone and Create are effectively the same soo... hmm |
| 23:44.57 | Iriel | Not really, clone needs to know what you're cloning |
| 23:45.03 | Dewin | only difference is one copies settings and the other doesn't |
| 23:45.04 | mikma | twice in same day |
| 23:45.41 | Iriel | [Create New] [Create Copy] [Rename] [Delete] |
| 23:45.49 | Iriel | Seems reasonably intuitive an order |
| 23:46.07 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 23:46.08 | Fisker- | http://www.gametab.com/news/2765704/ |
| 23:46.15 | Fisker- | Wilson didnât elaborate, but I think we all know how much Blizzard has been suffering the past few years. After the colossal failure that was once a promising game, World of Warcraft |
| 23:46.25 | Fisker- | Oh yeah World of Warcraft was a colossal failure |
| 23:47.33 | ScytheBlade1 | That's sarcasm |
| 23:47.43 | ScytheBlade1 | He's pissed that they won't be using WoW funds to help Battle.net |
| 23:48.24 | Fisker- | duh |
| 23:48.40 | Fisker- | You are retarded if you're making stuff that can't stand financially on it's own |
| 23:49.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i think you just called massive sections of microsoft retarded :p |
| 23:49.24 | Dewin | Night: But it's a true statement |
| 23:49.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i did not disagree. :) |
| 23:50.05 | Fisker- | Well of course sometimes it is done with other strategies in mind |
| 23:50.17 | Fisker- | Like with Xbox 360 where they just want to monopolize the market and earn on XBLA |
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| 23:51.32 | Fisker- | sleeptiems |
| 23:51.47 | Corrodias | i heard sony is going to be selling (!) "themes" for the ps3 on their network |
| 23:52.06 | Corrodias | all i can say to selling themes is "lul" |
| 23:52.07 | Iriel | Note "Monetize" doesn't ALWAYS mean "charge for" |
| 23:52.29 | mikma | Corrodias: for the lulz |
| 23:52.31 | Iriel | additional content, or ads, or other value added services would all count |
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| 23:54.17 | Xinhuan | hey Iriel, remember i asked about the LoD problem? |
| 23:54.47 | Iriel | yes? |
| 23:54.53 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10971929880&sid=1 |
| 23:55.12 | Xinhuan | you wanted a minimal addon case |
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| 23:55.30 | Iriel | Cool, i |
| 23:55.45 | Iriel | I'll check it out and send it on to the devs |
| 23:55.54 | Corrodias | an optional dependency on a loadondemand addon |
| 23:55.58 | Corrodias | now that's an interesting concept |
| 23:56.01 | Iriel | though I suspect it'd be a 3.1 or 3.0.(>2) fix |
| 23:56.04 | Xinhuan | i think you can see how this is a problem |
| 23:56.28 | Xinhuan | if i have addons that optdep or reqdep a LoD blizzard addon, such as Blizzard_AuctionUI |
| 23:56.36 | Xinhuan | they won't load |
| 23:56.44 | Xinhuan | or rather, not at the right time |
| 23:56.51 | Iriel | Well OptDep a LoD blizzard addon is silly |
| 23:56.55 | Xinhuan | and disembedded libraries, another huge issue |
| 23:56.55 | Iriel | since they're ALWAYS THERE |
| 23:57.02 | Iriel | but I digress 8-) |
| 23:57.09 | Xinhuan | well a user might not want to load the AuctionUI |
| 23:57.13 | Iriel | There's at least a manual workaround |
| 23:57.17 | Dewin | Iriel: I uninstalled Blizzard_AuctionUI to save money, what are you talking about? :-p |
| 23:57.19 | Corrodias | but shouldn't you design an addon dependent on a LoD addon to only load its own stuff when the dep is loaded? |
| 23:57.23 | Xinhuan | not really iriel |
| 23:57.46 | Xinhuan | iriel: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=14405 |
| 23:57.49 | Corrodias | or to reload when it's loaded |
| 23:58.03 | Xinhuan | 4 solutions basically, and the chosen one was to make all libraries non-lod |
| 23:58.20 | Dewin | ArenaFrameCancelButton, ArenaFrameJoinButton, ArenaFrameGroupJoinButton, PVPBannerFrameAcceptButton, PVPBannerFrameCancelButton, ArenaRegistrarFrameGoodbyeButton, ArenaRegistrarFrameCancelButton, ArenaRegistrarFramePurchaseButton[....]... wow. popular template. |
| 23:58.52 | Dewin | 108 items inherit UIPanelButton. |
| 23:59.03 | Dewin | s/\./Template/ |
| 23:59.10 | Dewin | bah |
| 23:59.13 | Xinhuan | Dewin, i fail to see the significance ;p |
| 23:59.27 | Dewin | I'm pondering to myself mostly ;) |
| 23:59.30 | mikma | umm, what? alliance retake undercity in wotlk... this dude is stoned =/ tube.com/watch?v=zmWyUfdgUoc&feature=related |
| 23:59.37 | mikma | see the comments |
| 23:59.46 | Dewin | I was assuming it'd come with a default height/width, I appear to be mistaken |
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